| 00:00.14 | creature | Erm, you know how in my error (http://pastie.caboo.se/25161) I see a "VFS" line? What is VFS? |
| 00:00.25 | abrotman | !vfs |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | well, vfs is virtual filesystem |
| 00:00.26 | onetinsoldier | RvGaTe: i say RC1.. see the topic :) |
| 00:00.28 | RvGaTe | itchi, i dont mind how the installer goes, as long as its fast, easy, and in the end, does its job :P |
| 00:00.39 | MoDaX | creature: virtual file system |
| 00:00.42 | concept10 | I despise hookers and strippers myself |
| 00:00.48 | streuner | creature: what's wrong with an official kernel? |
| 00:01.22 | creature | streuner: I have my reasons. For the time being, though, it's probably better if you accept that I'm being bloody-minded. |
| 00:01.24 | itchi | RvGaTe: The GUI is not yet working right at 100%, yeah to be honnest it's Etch, but realy nice too. Had discover some little mouse troubles with it |
| 00:01.35 | MoDaX | creature: compile all drivers of your hdd device controller and module of your root fs into the kernel |
| 00:01.45 | creature | MoDaX: They are. |
| 00:01.50 | creature | Ext2, Ext3, and PIIX modules are all compiled in. |
| 00:01.59 | jelly | creature: stupid question: did you put root=hda5 instead of root=/dev/hda5 ? |
| 00:02.04 | Ronin | concept10: everyones got to do what they have too to survive |
| 00:02.09 | streuner | creature: is there a reason why you think you need a custom one? |
| 00:02.19 | Flimzy | Grr, I hate arithmatic in bash |
| 00:02.21 | MoDaX | jelly: /dev/ woks for me |
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| 00:02.26 | MoDaX | works* |
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| 00:02.29 | jelly | MoDaX: I know. |
| 00:02.41 | Quintin | I hate arithematic in Pentium Pros. |
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| 00:02.43 | creature | jelly: I did not. |
| 00:02.44 | tonyb2006 | HI |
| 00:02.50 | RvGaTe | damn i love this cdimage server debian has.... the speed.... *drool* |
| 00:03.00 | Quintin | RvGaTe: how fast? |
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| 00:03.05 | tonyb2006 | Harddrive From Dumpster + Computer = No Boot. |
| 00:03.06 | MoDaX | jelly: so why shouldn't it work for creature ? |
| 00:03.15 | creature | I'm using make-kpkg to build it, so if anything went awry it would be dpkg's fault. |
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| 00:03.21 | eSa | has someone experience with synaptics touchpad configuration? |
| 00:03.28 | RvGaTe | Quintin, well, i just typed a sentince or 2 in here, and the netinstall download was done already... |
| 00:03.31 | creature | streuner: There is, but I don't really want to divert the discussion into "Why don't you do _____ instead?" |
| 00:03.41 | concept10 | Ronin, I guess so. I still don't like em. That whole scene irritates me. (I used to hang with some pimps) |
| 00:03.53 | itchi | eSa: Ask or tell your trouble |
| 00:03.53 | Quintin | RvGaTe: oh. well netinst is only 45m not a good gauge of speed. |
| 00:04.07 | onetinsoldier | creature: you mean it would be 'kernel-package' that would be at fault... |
| 00:04.11 | Quintin | I have 10mbit/s but I can't find much to max it.. I was gonna try debian ISO if you were getting really fast speeds |
| 00:04.28 | abrotman | where's our proof?!!? |
| 00:04.29 | streuner | creature: as long as you don't tell us the reason, you are in the categorie "Hey, iam using a custom kernel, but it doesn't work, and i have no reason why i should mess with all that" |
| 00:04.31 | h3sp4wn | creature: maybe you forgot jbd |
| 00:04.32 | abrotman | Guerin: proof guy is back! |
| 00:04.33 | creature | onetinsoldier: Quite possibly. It would be some tool I did not write's fault. |
| 00:04.47 | onetinsoldier | creature: hehe, roger |
| 00:04.47 | creature | jbd? |
| 00:04.49 | jelly | MoDaX: It should. Either I put my question wrong or you're misreading it... |
| 00:04.55 | RvGaTe | Quintin, 127mb (minimal cd, sorry) done in 110 seconds or a bit more |
| 00:05.09 | eSa | i've been able to enable it in xorg. a few seconds after login in kde the cursor stops responding |
| 00:05.15 | abrotman | Quintin: where's my beer? |
| 00:05.30 | creature | streuner: I want a wireless module that is not in the stock kernel. People have told me it should be, but it is not on my system. |
| 00:05.31 | Quintin | abrotman: I have not been proven wrong. You're going to have to wait a few weeks. |
| 00:05.42 | abrotman | to do what .. rewrite OSI? |
| 00:05.51 | streuner | creature: what kernel supports this driver? |
| 00:05.56 | dcorbin | I'm really rusty on my debian, and I need some help. I remember that when I installed exim, I'd get a choice of 5 'common' configurations to start with. I'd like to get asked that again. Pointers? |
| 00:05.59 | creature | streuner: Pretend I have a broken leg. Right now, I'm interested in knowing how I can heal my legs. I don't want people to tell me to walk on my hands instead. |
| 00:06.00 | Quintin | abrotman: Yea. It will only take a couple days, but I got a lot that has to come first. |
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| 00:06.06 | Quintin | abrotman: and that's a cute joke, fuckface. :P |
| 00:06.06 | itchi | eSa: Look to my example http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118#setting_up_the_touchpad |
| 00:06.12 | creature | Something is not working that should be, and that's what I'm interested in fixing. |
| 00:06.13 | abrotman | !drec dcorbin |
| 00:06.13 | dpkg | dcorbin: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
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| 00:06.24 | abrotman | !win me |
| 00:06.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 00:06.25 | Quintin | dcorbin: dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 00:06.50 | Quintin | !lose abrotman |
| 00:06.50 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 00:06.50 | concept10 | Man this thunar file manager is FAST! |
| 00:06.50 | Quintin | burn |
| 00:06.50 | Flimzy | How the heck do you do a simple if $x > 10 in bash?! |
| 00:06.50 | streuner | creature: maybe we have a solution to 'fly' ;-) |
| 00:06.50 | abrotman | Flimzy: ask #bash |
| 00:06.53 | creature | h3sp4wn: What is JBD? |
| 00:06.54 | Flimzy | the dang script keeps trying to execute the command in $x |
| 00:06.55 | jelly | creature: you know, you could have typed the .config in by now. :-P |
| 00:06.57 | Quintin | Flimzy: google for bash programming howto. blah = blah might work. |
| 00:06.59 | abrotman | i win! |
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| 00:07.06 | Flimzy | abrotman: probably a good idea. |
| 00:07.20 | abrotman | Flimzy: man bash would work too :) |
| 00:07.22 | MoDaX | Flimzy: if [ "$x" gt 10 ]; then some stuff; fi |
| 00:07.22 | Flimzy | Quintin: I need >, not =. :) The bash man page gives no examples... and is vague |
| 00:07.26 | concept10 | XFCE apps are so much better (faster, lighter) I dont get it |
| 00:07.27 | Flimzy | abrotman: see note above :) |
| 00:07.35 | h3sp4wn | creature: jbd 53928 1 ext3 (dunno whether its needed but it won't cause any harm) |
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| 00:07.45 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:07.51 | jelly | h3sp4wn: that one's optional. |
| 00:08.01 | itchi | Flimzy: There are 2 Bash docs packages you can install, try aptitude search bash |
| 00:08.02 | Quintin | concept10: yes.. there are some inconsistencies in xfce though. but it is better in many ways than kde or gnome. I used it for a bit. I'm using wmaker now.. |
| 00:08.10 | Flimzy | MoDaX: gt? why isn't that in the man page? |
| 00:08.18 | jelly | h3sp4wn: and not having the fs would generate a different message, I think. |
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| 00:08.21 | Quintin | Flimzy: I'm almost positive it is.. |
| 00:08.22 | xingu_ | Flimzy: "help test" |
| 00:08.23 | creature | h3sp4wn: And whereabouts would I find it in my make menuconfig? |
| 00:08.25 | MoDaX | Flimzy: man test |
| 00:08.35 | abrotman | MoDaX: isn't that the string? |
| 00:08.36 | MoDaX | Flimzy: -gt |
| 00:08.50 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 00:08.56 | Flimzy | MoDaX: ah |
| 00:09.12 | jelly | Flimzy: also, can $x be an empty string? |
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| 00:09.14 | MoDaX | abrotman: quoting won't hurt |
| 00:09.18 | abrotman | okeedokee |
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| 00:09.37 | Flimzy | jelly: No, it will always be an integer, 0 or greater. (in this case, the whole integer part of the load average) |
| 00:09.38 | eSa | itchi, i'm getting connection timed out |
| 00:09.39 | abrotman | i still got no proof! |
| 00:09.49 | nothing | I'm trying to do a mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 however I'm getting a /dev/md1 No such file or directory error. Any idea why this might be? md0 worked fine... |
| 00:09.51 | concept10 | Quintin, I don't really like the xfce desktop, but the apps they make are better imho (i hate wating 15 secs for the terminal to open) |
| 00:09.55 | smagy2 | hello folks can, some one help me out with this, i am not sure if it is debian specific problem or not. i get this error message http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/PAXjPR98.html. i have install python2.4-mysqldb on a system that is running sarge . i also have install mysql. 5.0 on the system in a local directory and i am trying to connect to it and i get this error. i am not sure if the install libmysqlclient lib is interfering. would i need to |
| 00:09.55 | smagy2 | rebuild python2.40-mysql against the installed mysql 5.0 ? |
| 00:10.04 | jelly | Flimzy: if it can, something like [ "0$x" -gt 10 ] will save your script from barfing |
| 00:10.16 | MoDaX | concept10: buy more ram |
| 00:10.17 | creature | How tied up is the kernel with initrd (I do not really know what initrd is, by the way)? Would building a non-initrd kernel cause everything to fall over horribly? |
| 00:10.17 | Quintin | concept10: Terminal is kind of nice.. although it has fucked up defaults, like all terminal emulators.. :( |
| 00:10.19 | MoDaX | :) |
| 00:10.21 | itchi | eSa: Hhmm, maybe, im' reach to limit of my upload of my ISP, shit |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | smagy2: just a hunch .. the mysql libs in sarge aren't made for mysql5 |
| 00:10.29 | jelly | Flimzy: what if uptime fails and doesn't display anything? :-> |
| 00:10.31 | Quintin | concept10: loads about .. 1-2s for me.. gnome-terminal is .. 3-5s |
| 00:10.33 | h3sp4wn | creature: No idea CONFIG_JBD=m (I have that in /boot/config-`uname -r`) but I use initramfs as it boots faster |
| 00:10.39 | Flimzy | jelly: then the script will poop. hehe |
| 00:10.56 | MoDaX | 1gb is enough for kde :) |
| 00:11.04 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 00:11.06 | Quintin | kde sux |
| 00:11.17 | Ronin | !wm war |
| 00:11.20 | Ronin | doh |
| 00:11.20 | jelly | !start a de war |
| 00:11.27 | Ronin | !start a wm war |
| 00:11.27 | dpkg | X sucks! |
| 00:11.27 | concept10 | smagy2, what are you trying to install/run? |
| 00:11.28 | Quintin | abrotman: what WM do you use? |
| 00:11.31 | Ronin | close enough |
| 00:11.37 | jelly | that's a catch-all |
| 00:11.50 | abrotman | Quintin: sawfish |
| 00:11.56 | Quintin | abrotman: what desktop? |
| 00:12.09 | concept10 | something obscure |
| 00:12.10 | smagy2 | concept10: i am trying to run a python script that connects to the mysql 5.0 server that is running. using the python2.4-mysqldb |
| 00:12.11 | jelly | the root windows! |
| 00:12.14 | jelly | s/s// |
| 00:12.16 | abrotman | gnome currently .. i used blackbox for a very long time |
| 00:12.31 | abrotman | Quintin: this isn't going to help you accept that you're wrong |
| 00:12.40 | smagy2 | abortman: i guess so |
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| 00:12.54 | Quintin | abrotman: I am nevar wrong. |
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| 00:13.03 | abrotman | except with spelling ? |
| 00:13.05 | concept10 | smagy2, maybe you need to check for additional required libraries, seems you are missing one. |
| 00:13.10 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, hahaha |
| 00:13.38 | smagy2 | concept10: okay, any recommendations on how to go about it ? |
| 00:13.43 | edju | 2.6.17-2-k7 kernel in etch comes with SMP enabled. Have to load the kernel non-SMP. I'll compile a new kernel later, but is there some parameter to pass to the kernel load to avoid SMP for now? |
| 00:13.44 | concept10 | smagy2, if my server would boot, I would help you more, but it crapped on me yesterday |
| 00:13.55 | concept10 | smagy2, what script is it, do you have a webpage? |
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| 00:15.38 | concept10 | smagy2, this line looks suspect to me: db = MySQLdb.connect(host=dbConnectionData['host'], db=dbConnectionData['db'], unix_socket=dbConnectionData['unix_socket'], user=dbConnectionData['user'], passwd=dbConnectionData['passwd']) |
| 00:15.59 | Quintin | abrotman: ... if you haven't seen evar / nevar you need to get out more |
| 00:16.09 | abrotman | on IRC? |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | that is "getting out more" ? |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | and it still doesn't change the fact that it's spelled incorrectly |
| 00:17.16 | dcorbin | dpkg: Quintin: thanks. |
| 00:17.30 | smagy2 | concept10: it is a script written by a user. i don't have a webpage :( why does it look suspect to you ? |
| 00:17.32 | wols_ | abrotman: IRC is a version of the wild west |
| 00:17.38 | wols_ | so yes, IRC means "getting out" |
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| 00:17.47 | abrotman | that's so sad |
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| 00:18.19 | jelly | edju: pass it "nosmp"? /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ |
| 00:18.31 | jelly | edju: sorry/ linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 00:18.40 | concept10 | smagy2, maybe you need to configure the database config file with the actual parameters such as socket: /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock |
| 00:18.41 | Ronin | damn abrotman we actually agree |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | curling is the best thing ever invented? |
| 00:18.55 | eSa | itchi, kudos to you |
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| 00:19.16 | Ronin | abrotman: id say beer |
| 00:19.17 | itchi | eSa: Have the link worked? I'm near the limit but not yet overide it |
| 00:19.23 | abrotman | agreed! |
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| 00:19.32 | edju | jelly, Thanks, I'll check it - wow, another file I never heard of. |
| 00:19.32 | concept10 | smagy2, or maybe you need a python openssl wrapper |
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| 00:19.47 | eSa | i've added a couple of options from you config and wonderfully solved the touchpad problem |
| 00:19.47 | itchi | RvGaTe: Not dangerouse, funny |
| 00:19.58 | creature | Erm, before my connection decided to commit suicide, I was asking about initrd. |
| 00:20.04 | creature | How tied up is the kernel with initrd (I do not really know what initrd is, by the way)? Would building a non-initrd kernel cause everything to fall over horribly? |
| 00:20.04 | itchi | RvGaTe: You had already install Sid before? |
| 00:20.05 | concept10 | FUCK! I like Linux, how can someone give so much good shit to play with for free? |
| 00:20.18 | eSa | the problem reaching your website was probably caused to my firewall wich is a bit too restrictive |
| 00:20.20 | RvGaTe | itchi, yup... that worked allright |
| 00:20.48 | RvGaTe | brb |
| 00:21.03 | itchi | RvGaTe: Etch is many more safer than Sid, a bit more than 9 months i run Etch, works very wel |
| 00:21.32 | MoDaX | edju: smp will be disabled at runtime, no worries |
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| 00:21.49 | MoDaX | edju: if you have only one CPU |
| 00:22.04 | creature | Someone told me that I *have* to build an initrd kernel with anything more recent than sarge. Is this true? |
| 00:22.08 | smagy2 | concept10: i see. the config file does have the sock setup as /tmp/mysql.sock and /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock is a sym link to /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 00:22.11 | jelly | creature: no |
| 00:22.51 | jelly | creature: I run a custom kernel with no initrd. |
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| 00:23.04 | concept10 | smagy2, I would probably try and change the config file and see it that works |
| 00:23.14 | MoDaX | !initrd |
| 00:23.14 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 00:23.30 | concept10 | smagy2, /tmp/mysql.sock never works for me on debian |
| 00:24.05 | concept10 | that reminds me, will debian adopt the upstart stuff in ubuntu? |
| 00:24.40 | jelly | !upstart |
| 00:24.51 | jelly | what's that? |
| 00:24.54 | MoDaX | creature: if you compile main things (those needed for the kernel to boot and load your / fs) into the kernel, you dont need initrd |
| 00:25.07 | concept10 | jelly, a replacement for sys v init |
| 00:25.13 | edju | creature, I have one cpu, and uname shows 2.6.17-2-k7 #1 SMP. |
| 00:25.29 | MoDaX | edju: but smp is not active |
| 00:25.39 | smagy2 | concept10: i see. this is was custom compile from source as sarge doesnt have mysql 5 |
| 00:25.52 | creature | MoDaX: OK. |
| 00:26.06 | edju | oops, wrong person. |
| 00:26.10 | concept10 | smagy2, did you try it? |
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| 00:26.43 | abrotman | edju: all debian kernels have SMP compiled in now .. it's just showing you that it's capable |
| 00:27.20 | abrotman | and thank goodness they finally enabled HIGHMEM .. at least to 4GB |
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| 00:28.03 | MoDaX | abrotman: why not just go 64bit for such things? |
| 00:28.11 | efaistos_ | what FS would you use to share an external hard disk between Linux and OSX except FAT ? |
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| 00:28.30 | dondelelcaro | efaistos_: hfs, hfs+... the list goes on |
| 00:28.53 | concept10 | efaistos_, fat is best choice |
| 00:29.14 | freemind | I'm trying to boot a 64bit intel machine via netboot, the i386 pxeboot works fine, but the new EFI system wont boot - no errors, he just stands when he got the IP - any ideas? |
| 00:29.21 | tolstoy | I'm creating a package for a service (with an init.d script). How do I make the uninstall not tank of the service is not running? Remove the set -e? Is there a preferred style/example for this? |
| 00:29.29 | loca|host | i have an USB-SERIAL cable, when i plug it onto my laptop, dmesg says: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4, usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice, pl2303 2-2:1.0: pl2303 converter detected, usb 2-2: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 00:29.35 | MoDaX | fat is patent encumbered |
| 00:29.40 | h3sp4wn | efaistos_: look into the state of UFS support on linux (I know mac supports it not sure whether writing is safe on linux though) |
| 00:29.40 | smagy2 | concept10: i am waiting for the user to stop their processing so that i can restart the mysql server after chaging my.cnf to value you recommened. i am also gonne download |
| 00:29.43 | loca|host | Which Serial should i use now ? |
| 00:29.46 | concept10 | efaistos_, oh, he said between linux and OSX |
| 00:29.48 | tolstoy | I guess I could test to see if it's not running. Hm. |
| 00:30.03 | smagy2 | concept10: i also think what abortman said was right and might have to backport http://packages.debian.org/testing/libdevel/libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 00:30.07 | MoDaX | but don't care cause I'm nowhere near us |
| 00:30.15 | smagy2 | and install it |
| 00:30.30 | concept10 | MoDaX, thats not true |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 00:30.41 | dpkg | well, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 00:30.45 | efaistos_ | concept10: FAT is 4gb maximum by file ... |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | MoDaX: for HIGHMEM ? |
| 00:30.57 | jelly | loca|host: well, /dev/ttyUSB0 like it said? |
| 00:31.13 | concept10 | MoDaX, our reach if far beyond your imagination. U S A ftw! |
| 00:31.25 | loca|host | jelly, setserail -g /dev/ttyUSB0 says Cannot get serial info: Invalid argument |
| 00:31.33 | MoDaX | abrotman: yes |
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| 00:32.14 | abrotman | MoDaX: the old limit was 960MB |
| 00:32.43 | concept10 | efaistos_, yeah, I know. Excuse my answer, I read wrong at first, I thought you meant between Linux and windows, but for OS X I would use HFS+ or plain ext3 |
| 00:32.49 | MoDaX | abrotman: hmm, that really sucked then |
| 00:32.57 | mwubergeek | Has anyone ever setup LDAP Auth and got it working? |
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| 00:34.05 | MoDaX | mwubergeek: I did, but I'm going to bed |
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| 00:34.37 | abrotman | MoDaX: duh |
| 00:34.48 | mwubergeek | can I get a email or something to chat with you later? |
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| 00:35.43 | MoDaX | mwubergeek: I can't believe that I'm only one lucky here :) |
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| 00:36.32 | efaistos_ | concept10: ext3 is writable under OSX ? |
| 00:36.43 | mwubergeek | ModaX what distro do you run? |
| 00:36.47 | mwubergeek | sorry to ask |
| 00:36.52 | mwubergeek | I am in a debian group |
| 00:36.53 | mwubergeek | lol |
| 00:37.15 | mwubergeek | Got anthing to guide me in my quest |
| 00:37.48 | concept10 | efaistos_, not sure, I dont have OS X, Im sure Linux could write OS X's formats such as hfs and hfs+ |
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| 00:38.43 | concept10 | Anyone tried this: http://plutohome.com/ its a home automation/media server package based on debian |
| 00:38.57 | jelly | concept10: "sure" meaning "I know for a fact and have tried this", or "heard something about it"? |
| 00:38.58 | concept10 | It looks great |
| 00:39.43 | concept10 | jelly, I said I dont have OS X |
| 00:39.57 | MoDaX | mwubergeek: catch me on private. my nick is hanging here 24/7 |
| 00:40.19 | concept10 | jelly, but I know linux reads/writes hfs |
| 00:40.23 | concept10 | jelly, now whats your point? |
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| 00:41.39 | abrotman | mwubergeek: have oyu tried asking #ldap ? |
| 00:41.45 | jelly | concept10: sorry, my pet peeve when someone answers a question he's not an expert on. |
| 00:42.08 | karsten | jelly: We'll all just shut up then. |
| 00:42.20 | jelly | karsten: that would be nice. ;-) |
| 00:42.22 | abrotman | noone is an expert .. jeez |
| 00:42.38 | liable | cept me |
| 00:42.38 | liable | cause i dont care :P |
| 00:43.19 | karsten | jelly: bogus advice, with the issuer insisting on being wrong in the face of evidence (still here pipeline?) _is_ annoying. |
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| 00:43.27 | karsten | jelly: ... otherwise, deal with it or go elsewhere. |
| 00:43.28 | jelly | karsten: nothing against afaik etc. |
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| 00:43.37 | concept10 | jelly, I rather chime in on what I know rather than be a stump in the channel. I never said I know it all. |
| 00:43.38 | liable | anything that points you in the right direction i guess |
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| 00:44.28 | concept10 | jelly, plus, why are you enforcing your pet peeves on me ? :) |
| 00:44.45 | karsten | jelly: As far as OSX support: find /lib/modules/$( uname -r ) -name \*hfs\* should give you a pretty good idea. |
| 00:45.02 | karsten | jelly: ... or Read the Damned Configure File. |
| 00:45.20 | karsten | jelly: Memory and modules suggest HFS/HFS+ are supported. Fully IIRC, read/write. |
| 00:45.20 | jelly | karsten: I've read the descriptions in menuconfig and that's satisfactory. |
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| 00:45.32 | corrideat | Hi! |
| 00:45.56 | corrideat | I'm configuring a firewall for my server and I've got a question: |
| 00:46.11 | corrideat | With which priveleges does DDClient run? |
| 00:46.31 | jelly | xingu: if it has udev, put it into /lib/firmware |
| 00:46.50 | concept10 | I need real help, I removed a power supply from my server, put it in another box and moved it back to the server and now the server will not boot (will not show the BIOS and self test) How is this possible? Have I damaged something? |
| 00:46.52 | liable | goddam dial and shitty web sites make me want to kill people |
| 00:46.57 | karsten | corrideat: processes don't run with privileges, they run with userids / euids. |
| 00:47.01 | xingu | jelly: mmm; but is there a way to put it in a place that update-initramfs will find when making the image? |
| 00:47.20 | karsten | corrideat: If you want to know what user: ps aux | grep [D]DClient |
| 00:47.21 | wols_ | karsten: SELinux? *g* |
| 00:47.26 | xingu | jelly: the firmware is already in the right place on the root fs, it's the creation of the initramfs specifically that is stumbling. |
| 00:47.26 | karsten | wols_: Hrm. |
| 00:47.29 | jelly | xingu: I hacked gparted's initramfs the other day by hand... wouldn't know about the Right Way to Do It. |
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| 00:47.42 | xingu | jelly: you appreciate the problem then. :) |
| 00:47.42 | karsten | wols_: I've avoided that. Does it change things that much? |
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| 00:48.12 | wols_ | karsten: afaik yes. And if it doesn't, I'm sure there are other packages that do. "role based security model" or such |
| 00:48.20 | karsten | wols_: Feh. |
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| 00:48.29 | karsten | wols_: Roles are for breakfast. |
| 00:48.33 | wols_ | karsten: UIDs and rwx perms DO suck you know |
| 00:48.37 | karsten | wols_: ... or hay. |
| 00:48.39 | ryan` | wow |
| 00:48.55 | karsten | s/roles/rolls/ |
| 00:48.59 | ryan` | this vendor is sleexy |
| 00:49.09 | ryan` | well, web host. |
| 00:49.23 | ryan` | client is moving, and they've set the dns ttl to 14 days. |
| 00:49.28 | karsten | ryan`: sleexy? |
| 00:49.29 | wols_ | karsten: really, when windows is better than what's available on stnndard linux, especially in security it's high time to change it |
| 00:49.34 | ryan` | sleezy :P |
| 00:49.37 | karsten | ryan`: ... is that sexy in a slezzy way? |
| 00:49.38 | jelly | concept10: maybe #hardware ? |
| 00:49.40 | karsten | sleezy. |
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| 00:49.59 | ryan` | Fine. I can't spell properly. |
| 00:50.06 | jelly | sleazy |
| 00:50.09 | karsten | ryan`: Britney Spears is your vendor? |
| 00:50.32 | cydork | karsten, she is sexy?? |
| 00:50.43 | wols_ | no. she's sleazy |
| 00:50.43 | xingu | jelly: aah, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ , specifically hooks/ |
| 00:50.58 | cydork | wols_, heheh that's fine the. :P |
| 00:51.03 | concept10 | jelly, ahhh, I just fixed it, loose monitor cable or video card, or something |
| 00:51.06 | cydork | s/the/then/ |
| 00:51.07 | ryan` | *sigh* |
| 00:51.12 | karsten | wols_: Say it ain't so! |
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| 00:51.22 | wols_ | cydork: seen recent pictures of here. damn she got really ugly fast |
| 00:51.30 | wols_ | white trash |
| 00:51.34 | ryan` | I suppose I should switch to an IRC client with a spell check feature. |
| 00:51.35 | dvs | literally? |
| 00:51.41 | jelly | xingu: one day I'll grow up and roll my own initramfses, too! |
| 00:51.45 | cydork | wols_, hahah |
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| 00:51.55 | cydork | ryan`, switch to irssi :) |
| 00:52.12 | wols_ | irssi has a spellchecker? |
| 00:52.18 | karsten | jelly: initramfs == gzipped cpio archive (new style) or cramfs (old style). They can both be hacked pretty readily. |
| 00:52.22 | karsten | wols_: Yeah, it does. |
| 00:52.23 | jelly | new xchat has a spellchecker and it's annoying |
| 00:52.25 | karsten | wols_: #debian. |
| 00:52.41 | itchi | wols_: It has spell autocompletion |
| 00:52.58 | wols_ | karsten: I'm sure if I try to use #debian as a spellchecker, stew will kick me really fast |
| 00:53.07 | karsten | ... but fouls up on tab completion and hits ivx instead. |
| 00:53.15 | itchi | karsten: Yeah, maybe i not make enought use of it :-) |
| 00:53.17 | jelly | karsten: I've seen gzipped ext2 ... that's initrd probably. |
| 00:53.25 | karsten | wols_: wnot hppan. |
| 00:53.27 | liable | besides, if you spell everything right, the grammar nazi's wont have anything to do |
| 00:53.44 | concept10 | \me slaps another gig of ram in server and boots into beat making heaven! |
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| 00:53.54 | karsten | liable: Nazis. No Apostrophe. |
| 00:53.56 | w0rd54 | liable: I agrei wiht you...fukc them |
| 00:54.16 | jelly | liable: won't :-> |
| 00:54.22 | liable | concept10: what do you use to make tunes? |
| 00:54.25 | Eulex | how would I wait for the user to insert another floppy in a shell script? |
| 00:54.31 | karsten | w0rd54: a drity mnid is a hrorbile tihng to wsate |
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| 00:54.34 | goodshit | what does this cron do 00 02 * * * * does that run every 2 mins?? |
| 00:54.42 | liable | see :) |
| 00:54.44 | goodshit | thx!! |
| 00:54.52 | jelly | goodshit: runs at 2am every day |
| 00:54.55 | goodshit | wtf |
| 00:55.01 | goodshit | how do i make it to run every 10mins |
| 00:55.05 | concept10 | liable, Cubase SX with a debian file server for samples and audio |
| 00:55.06 | karsten | Eulex: echo -e "Please insert new floppy and hit return \c"; read ans; |
| 00:55.23 | karsten | goodshit: at 2:00 am every day |
| 00:55.26 | jelly | goodshit: man 5 crontab |
| 00:55.42 | goodshit | 01 * * * * * |
| 00:55.46 | goodshit | does that run every one mins? |
| 00:55.46 | liable | concept10: so that cubase isnt in debian? |
| 00:55.52 | karsten | goodshit: RTFM |
| 00:55.57 | goodshit | i ddi |
| 00:55.58 | jelly | goodshit: if you're in a hurry.... */10 * * * * /some/command |
| 00:56.00 | goodshit | i don't understand |
| 00:56.05 | concept10 | liable, I could only wish |
| 00:56.10 | goodshit | jelly thx!! |
| 00:56.12 | karsten | goodshit: Understanding is a three-edged sword. |
| 00:56.16 | goodshit | */10 run every 10mins |
| 00:56.17 | karsten | !tell goodshit about rtfm |
| 00:56.24 | Eulex | karsten, well, ideally I don't want to prompt, I'd like to _wait_ for the user to insert another floppy. but yes, that's a solution if I can't find any other |
| 00:56.25 | jelly | but it's better to feed the man to the fishes ... or something |
| 00:56.37 | goodshit | jelly what does that command do run everything 10 mins? |
| 00:56.45 | concept10 | liable, I use super windows xp for audio production |
| 00:56.46 | cydork | wols_, it does check dictcomplete |
| 00:56.49 | karsten | Eulex: a loop testing for existence of some file on the floppy. |
| 00:57.04 | karsten | Eulex: while ! test -f /mnt/floppy/testfile; do sleep 10; done |
| 00:57.18 | liable | concept10: oh :( |
| 00:57.24 | karsten | Eulex: ... that assumes inserting and mounting, or an automounter. |
| 00:57.25 | Eulex | karsten, well, thing is, I won't ever mount the floppy |
| 00:57.34 | jelly | goodshit: you want to read the manual... or find one in your language. |
| 00:57.56 | concept10 | liable, and super windows is a windoze box not connected to the net for any reason ;-) |
| 00:58.00 | Ronin | well thats just way to damn cool, just set up samba so wife can transfer her pics to the linux box so she can edit them with gimp |
| 00:58.36 | karsten | Eulex: while ! ( mount /mnt/floppy; test -f /mnt/floppy/testfile ); do umount /mnt/floppy; sleep 10; done |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | install win32 gimp? |
| 00:58.47 | liable | Ronin: get her gimp for windows |
| 00:58.55 | karsten | Eulex: Conditional shell loop. Note that that one may never terminate. |
| 00:59.04 | geo-rge | I got up to building the kernel and the fglrx-* packages, now trying to build the driver itself... got some undeclared identifiers, and I want to show those identifiers to see if someone knows what -dev package I'm missing... some of them are: VM_SHM FIREGL_VMA_INFO UTS_RELEASE __HAVE_VBL_IRQ __HAVE_SG (now some "implicit func decls", probably also not defd but should be) pm_register pm_unregister_all inter_module_put inter_modul |
| 00:59.04 | geo-rge | e_register inter_module_get_request |
| 00:59.04 | concept10 | liable, the Ardour project (linux based DAW) is supported financially by SSL (Solid State Logic) |
| 00:59.57 | geo-rge | Ardour is a protools lookalike |
| 01:00.28 | Ronin | liable: thought about that, im trying to get her totally off windows though |
| 01:00.31 | geo-rge | you -must- have jack audio connection kit going |
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| 01:00.35 | liable | concept10: i think i may have looked at that at one stage, but it was short lived as i have no musical making ability at all |
| 01:00.39 | jelly | geo-rge: your fglrx and kernel versions sound mismatched. Have you built the kernel first? |
| 01:00.43 | rfrank | are there debian netinstall business card CDs for unstable? |
| 01:00.47 | geo-rge | yes |
| 01:00.49 | abrotman | no |
| 01:00.54 | abrotman | rfrank: no |
| 01:00.55 | Ronin | and this gave me an excuse to learn something new |
| 01:01.05 | abrotman | Ronin: samba is new? |
| 01:01.06 | liable | no |
| 01:01.07 | concept10 | geo-rge, I dont care what it looks like, I just need a linux workstation that WORKS! There is a program called Jokosher that is nice |
| 01:01.10 | Ronin | abrotman: it is for me |
| 01:01.18 | Ronin | never had any need for it till now |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | Ronin: oh that's right .. you do gov't work :) |
| 01:01.27 | Eulex | karsten, I'm finally gonna backup my kina big collection of floppies. I'll do this with dd_rescue, then try to rescue as much as the data from it while mounted on a loop device, both before an after running fsck.vfat. I have no idea what might be on every floppy. And I'd want to do as little as possible with them, that is, just get the data out of there, then try to get the files from there. |
| 01:01.31 | jelly | geo-rge: (I have no experience with fglrx, am just guessing from the output. UTS_RELEASE should be there with every kernel) |
| 01:01.33 | rfrank | Aww. |
| 01:01.33 | geo-rge | concept10: linux pro audio is coming along |
| 01:01.35 | Ronin | jelious i know you are |
| 01:01.42 | rfrank | I can't seem to find unstable cd images.. |
| 01:01.52 | abrotman | rfrank: just use the etch netinst |
| 01:01.54 | Ronin | congrats RvGaTe |
| 01:02.01 | geo-rge | rfrank: those would change DAILY |
| 01:02.10 | rfrank | Ah, right. |
| 01:02.13 | liable | !tell rfrank about sid faq |
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| 01:02.18 | concept10 | geo-rge, Linux audio suffers just as the rest of open source, too many applications, not enough focus on ONE that WORKS and COMPETES. |
| 01:02.20 | rfrank | so what's th- |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | so would testing netinsts .. but they still use them |
| 01:02.24 | karsten | Eulex: Sounds like what you want to do is loop reading floppies, copying them out to an image file, right? |
| 01:02.25 | RvGaTe | and it looks hell lot better then the first time i installed sarge... :) |
| 01:02.26 | abrotman | !d-i rfrank |
| 01:02.26 | dpkg | rfrank, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:02.33 | liable | rfrank: its covered in the faq |
| 01:02.37 | karsten | Eulex: Simple shell script. I'd use a prompt myself. |
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| 01:03.04 | geo-rge | concept10: there's jack-alike competition too, in the person of sound servers like esd |
| 01:03.13 | rfrank | ok well |
| 01:03.16 | rfrank | I installed sarge |
| 01:03.19 | rfrank | then tried to upgrade |
| 01:03.23 | rfrank | But now X can't start |
| 01:03.26 | geo-rge | you could upgrade, no guarantees |
| 01:03.27 | rfrank | because it doesn't boot with the right kernel |
| 01:03.45 | Ronin | rfrank: what errors do you get? |
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| 01:04.46 | geo-rge | -warning- if you run sid, you're very likely on your own unless someone has -exactly- your setup and installed the same packages you did |
| 01:04.46 | liable | whats the kernel got to do with x? |
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| 01:04.46 | rfrank | I don't know for sure, there were alot of them |
| 01:04.46 | karsten | Eulex: i=0; while :; do echo -e "Please insert next floppy and press <enter> or . to end. \c"; read ANS; if [ "$ANS" == "." ]; then break; fi; dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy-${i}; echo "Floppy #$i completed"; done |
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| 01:04.47 | Ronin | liable: that was the next question i had |
| 01:04.47 | abrotman | rfrank: X error logs are helpful |
| 01:04.47 | Eulex | karsten, right. but if it's possible, I'd want to be able to detect when the user switches floppies, so I can just insert and eject floppies. |
| 01:04.54 | karsten | Eulex: Will generate a set of files "floppy-1, floppy-2, floppy-3". Oh, might help if you incremented i. |
| 01:05.04 | karsten | Eulex: That's a harder problem, and you have to be there anyway. |
| 01:05.12 | jelly | karsten: have you used Solaris or BSD? |
| 01:05.26 | karsten | Eulex: $ i=0; while :; do i=$(( i + 1 )); echo -e "Please insert next floppy and press <enter> or . to end. \c"; read ANS; if [ "$ANS" == "." ]; then break; fi; dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy-${i}; echo "Floppy #$i completed"; done |
| 01:05.27 | rfrank | .. I'll see what I can do |
| 01:05.35 | concept10 | geo-rge, I would migrate from windows in a hot second if they had some nice Digital Audio stuff |
| 01:05.35 | Eulex | karsten, true. well, I'll see what I'll do. I know how to do shell scripting, that's not the hard part. |
| 01:05.40 | karsten | jelly: Under the advice of my attorney I'm having a drink. |
| 01:05.56 | jelly | karsten: using \c with echo is suspicious :-) |
| 01:05.57 | geo-rge | concept10: it's getting nice... it's probably time you looked |
| 01:06.06 | RvGaTe | hmm, strange... Xorg didn't detect my screen correctly... |
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| 01:06.28 | karsten | Eulex: I'm not aware of a media change event via floppy. You'd have to continuously poll the device and check, say, md5sums of the images to determine differences. |
| 01:06.29 | concept10 | geo-rge, iive been looking the last week. |
| 01:06.36 | karsten | jelly: echo -e is *very* linux standard. |
| 01:06.38 | geo-rge | you got jack running |
| 01:06.39 | geo-rge | ? |
| 01:06.46 | concept10 | geo-rge, I really need to find a solution to run VSTis |
| 01:06.53 | concept10 | geo-rge, yes, i have jack |
| 01:06.55 | wols_ | . |
| 01:07.02 | geo-rge | , |
| 01:07.05 | jelly | karsten: well, I've only seen echo -n in Linux scripts, and echo "...\c" on solaris. |
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| 01:07.55 | concept10 | geo-rge, do you use VSTis in Linux? |
| 01:08.05 | geo-rge | concept10: you probably need to try some ladspa plugins... using the VST stuff might make it proprietary |
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| 01:08.12 | karsten | Eulex: CDROMs have a media change event, IIUC. Not sure floppy does. |
| 01:08.19 | Eulex | karsten, ok. well, I'm searching /proc and /sys and stuff, though if I can't find a way, I'll use a prompt. |
| 01:08.38 | geo-rge | I never bought cubase vst, but I do have logic 5.5.1 |
| 01:08.43 | karsten | Eulex: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2002-01/2020.html |
| 01:08.47 | concept10 | geo-rge, once I figure out how to make VSTs work in linux, im going to start trying to build a embedded box that hosts VSTs |
| 01:08.47 | karsten | Eulex: ... or maybe it does. |
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| 01:09.03 | concept10 | geo-rge, I just need to spend more time on it |
| 01:09.09 | Eulex | karsten, oh, cool :) thank you :) |
| 01:09.12 | karsten | Eulex: Not sure what userspace hooks there are. |
| 01:09.12 | geo-rge | do people say that works? |
| 01:09.31 | concept10 | VSTs in linux? |
| 01:09.34 | geo-rge | yeah |
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| 01:09.46 | concept10 | yeah, with a head ache config process |
| 01:10.10 | abrotman | !tell rfrank about root |
| 01:10.14 | bit0 | hi!, is there any "kakuro" game in linux? |
| 01:10.16 | concept10 | geo-rge, there is a box on the market right now that uses Linux to host vst's, its awesome but expensive |
| 01:10.17 | karsten | Eulex: Note too that if you're imaging the disks you don't need to mount them, and if you're working with likely faulty media there's a rescue variant of DD (ddrescue?) which will continue over bad blocks (you' |
| 01:10.23 | geo-rge | I'd rather stay away from anything I couldn't build myself (but that's me, I'll build anything :P ) |
| 01:10.27 | karsten | Eulex: ... you'll lose some but not all data. |
| 01:10.31 | karsten | !tell bit0 about search |
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| 01:10.49 | rfrank | hello? |
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| 01:10.51 | rfrank | ok good |
| 01:10.57 | rfrank | Where is X log file and how can I pastebin it from command line |
| 01:10.58 | geo-rge | yello |
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| 01:11.04 | karsten | rfrank: /var/log |
| 01:11.07 | concept10 | geo-rge, they maybe violating the GPL too. |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 01:11.13 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is probably you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 01:11.15 | bit0 | karsten: yes, i know.. may be unofficial repositories |
| 01:11.19 | karsten | rfrank: ... and a console-mode browser. |
| 01:11.25 | karsten | bit0: *shrug* |
| 01:11.27 | concept10 | geo-rge, check it out: http://www.museresearch.com/ |
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| 01:11.29 | Eulex | karsten, yeah, I know of it and I'm going to use it. |
| 01:11.38 | geo-rge | somne consolemode browsers don't let you "copy" |
| 01:11.53 | karsten | geo-rge: w3m will, using vim as editor |
| 01:12.05 | rfrank | argh vim |
| 01:12.51 | somiaj | Hello, I'm looking to get a new laptop, I am looking at one with the Intel Core2Duo processor and want to put a 64bit debian os on it, I am intersted in any comments/issues with getting a 64bit debian running on this processor. |
| 01:13.03 | rfrank | opened nano :P |
| 01:13.18 | enouf | Eulex: I think dbus and perhaps in relation to udev and hal can help you parse that info .. |
| 01:13.29 | karsten | rfrank: Fine. Use ed. |
| 01:13.37 | karsten | !ed |
| 01:13.37 | dpkg | ed is probably the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html, or http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=1991Jul11.031731.9260@athena.mit.edu&output=gplain |
| 01:13.45 | geo-rge | somiaj: not considering an amd dual core? |
| 01:14.31 | rfrank | paste number 4678 on debian pb |
| 01:14.31 | karsten | rfrank: Full url's more useful |
| 01:14.58 | geo-rge | rfrank: make it easier... post the url so they can be lazy and not have to assemble |
| 01:15.04 | karsten | rfrank: ... and gpm or screen will let you copy/paste in console |
| 01:15.09 | rfrank | sorry but.. yeah |
| 01:15.10 | rfrank | :P |
| 01:15.16 | rfrank | I'm not too good at console-only |
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| 01:15.48 | geo-rge | I had no X for the first 3 years of my linux experience... and used a boot floppy for the first two |
| 01:16.03 | somiaj | geo-rge: I have looked around at the amd64 Turino x2, and it would be my prefered processor, but when it comes to finding a laptop with the specs I want, price range, I could only find a good intel Core2Duo ones. |
| 01:16.18 | jelly | concept10: there's some linux-based hardware that claims to have support for VST: http://www.lionstracs.com/store/latest_news.php?info_id=22 http://www.lionstracs.com/store/ |
| 01:16.19 | Eulex | enouf, ok, thanks :) |
| 01:16.49 | enouf | Eulex: welcome .. not sure how to do anything actually useful with it yet though :-) |
| 01:16.52 | karsten | rfrank: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4678 |
| 01:17.00 | somiaj | geo-rge: I'm also refusing to buy a laptop that comes wtih a windows license (out of principal) so that has kinda limited my options, but I found a great place, just the amd64 laptops they have are either low end (not meeing my specs) or 4-7k USD |
| 01:17.05 | rfrank | ahh thank you karsten |
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| 01:17.27 | geo-rge | that's some bux.... scsi hds? |
| 01:18.02 | rfrank | 7k laptop, wow haha |
| 01:18.21 | somiaj | geo-rge: they specilizing in making gaming machines, 20inch display with the top of the line amd64 processors, dual sli 7950 nvidia go's etc...really a good quality product, but way more than I need |
| 01:18.33 | enouf | Eulex: lshal , udevinfo may help you too .. an example: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/fd0 .. whereas lshal has all the /sys info |
| 01:18.47 | somiaj | geo-rge: they offer some good 1500-2000 range laptops, but they are all based off the core2duo technology, its only their top of the line they have amd64 tunrion options. |
| 01:18.53 | Eulex | karsten, anyway, thanks for your help. I'll probably use a prompt, things will be easier that way |
| 01:19.40 | Eulex | enouf, I just remembered one thing. the box I'm gonna run it on runs sarge and thus has not udev. my new system doesn't have a floppy drive. |
| 01:19.47 | enouf | Eulex: for that particular udevinfo to work, you'd need a floopy inserted .. substiture /dev/hda for an example if no floppies are handy |
| 01:19.54 | Eulex | enouf, but thanks anyway |
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| 01:20.34 | rfrank | CAn anyone help me? :| |
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| 01:20.46 | rfrank | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4678 |
| 01:20.55 | enouf | Eulex: no prob .. I believe sarge can have both hotplug and udev installed .. FWIW .. likely hal too .. but not sure of it's functionality and breaking of the devfs stuff |
| 01:21.02 | rfrank | also, I saw something about udev failing on startup because my kernel isnt new enough or something |
| 01:21.20 | rfrank | I'm sure I have a new enough kernel it just was never put into grub |
| 01:21.51 | Eulex | enouf, indeed |
| 01:21.51 | Quintin | Can I install ltsp-server without installing a dhcp server ?? I already have dhcp server on my network |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | you can have hte dhcpd not give out IPs |
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| 01:23.51 | liable | rfrank: whats your cuutent kernel? |
| 01:24.05 | xingu | gneat, firmware all sorted. :) |
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| 01:24.33 | liable | xingu: may i ask why you needed to do that? |
| 01:24.36 | xingu | now all I need to do is work out what allow-hotplug /really/ means in interfaces |
| 01:25.05 | Quintin | abrotman: but dhcpd has to be running? |
| 01:25.09 | rfrank | liable: how do I find that out |
| 01:25.23 | xingu | liable: ipw3945; if I was less lazy I'd zap a patch back to the maint. |
| 01:25.32 | liable | rfrank: uname -r |
| 01:25.41 | abrotman | Quintin: who cares if it's not giving out IPs |
| 01:25.46 | rfrank | 2.4.27-3-686 |
| 01:26.02 | Quintin | abrotman: it's using core |
| 01:26.03 | geo-rge | rfrank: by looking inward, the zen of self-determination, and asking "why the hell do I wanna do this??" |
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| 01:26.14 | liable | xingu: ah, hows the debian package? starts ok at boot? are they starting it from init.d? |
| 01:26.17 | xingu | liable: it should really install as part of the firmware image itself I guess, it's a bit of a sticky one |
| 01:26.37 | xingu | liable: no, it's a really good job actually, they've used a modprobe.d script hook to start the regulatory daemon |
| 01:26.51 | liable | xingu: its a shit of a driver imho |
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| 01:27.18 | liable | xingu: ah nice, i battled with trying to get udev to run it. |
| 01:27.18 | xingu | liable: the only missing link is that the firmware isn't present in the initramfs; so it all fires up but in the boot filesystem it can't autoload firmware and falls in a heap at that point |
| 01:27.29 | xingu | liable: having fixed that just now - bickedy bam. |
| 01:27.45 | jelly | xingu: userspace udev doesn't try the module again? |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | Quintin: huh ? |
| 01:27.48 | liable | rfrank: you missed the end of the log |
| 01:27.56 | xingu | jelly: it does if you poke it with rmmod/modprobe |
| 01:28.00 | xingu | jelly: but that's fugly. :) |
| 01:28.05 | jelly | xingu: yep |
| 01:28.19 | tophat2445 | hi |
| 01:28.47 | jelly | xingu: ahh. there's the rub... the module says loaded even without firmware? my ipw2200 doesn't even load if there's no firmware. |
| 01:28.56 | liable | xingu: ah, nice, maybe file a wishlist |
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| 01:29.17 | xingu | liable: I could do better if I wasn't such a slacker, the hook script for initramfs-tools really is a five liner |
| 01:29.18 | rfrank | liable: I did? Is it ever in another file |
| 01:29.19 | liable | rfrank: just look for the EE lines and paste those |
| 01:29.31 | rfrank | I put in the whole file, loaded in by nano |
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| 01:29.43 | Quintin | http://www.whatwouldjesusdownload.com/christianubuntu/2006/07/about-ubuntu-christian-edition.html |
| 01:29.50 | Quintin | Christian ubuntu |
| 01:29.52 | jelly | Quintin: oold |
| 01:29.55 | Quintin | I wonder if pornzilla is in the repos |
| 01:29.56 | liable | rfrank: you can paste the EE lines to #flood if you want |
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| 01:30.03 | Quintin | abrotman: core = memory |
| 01:30.07 | xingu | liable: but generically there seems to be a hook missing for firmware; that'll come back to bite in the long run; we can fudge around it for now by cp'ing the files over in a hook script, but that's ugly |
| 01:30.17 | xingu | liable: need to handle it the modules are |
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| 01:30.39 | geo-rge | what -dev pkgs are these defined in: VM_SHM FIREGL_VMA_INFO UTS_RELEASE __HAVE_VBL_IRQ __HAVE_SG (now some "implicit func decls", probably also not defd but should be) pm_register pm_unregister_all inter_module_put inter_module_register inter_module_get_request |
| 01:30.53 | xingu | liable: so maybe - wishlist, firmware for initramfs-tools; and patch for firmware-ipw3945 |
| 01:31.03 | xingu | liable: ... with hook script; maybe that's the go. |
| 01:32.01 | liable | xingu: i dont use debian kernels so i have absolutely no experience with initramfs stuffs |
| 01:32.11 | xingu | liable: I don't either. :) |
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| 01:32.24 | xingu | liable: but they do look walk and quack like ducks, I've been doing this a while... |
| 01:32.44 | liable | heh |
| 01:32.50 | xingu | liable: I don't use debian stock kernels, but I know how to build 'em. |
| 01:33.03 | biohazardous | what does the red [security] mean on packages listet on packages.debian.org? |
| 01:33.11 | rfrank | XFree86.0.log right |
| 01:33.25 | liable | xingu: you still make intrds? |
| 01:33.32 | geo-rge | biohazardous: biohazardous! |
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| 01:33.47 | xingu | liable: yeah, thought I'd make it my mission to learn how, seems to be what all the cool kids are doing these days |
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| 01:35.06 | liable | xingu: as long as someone knows i guess.. i'll stick to being uncool :) |
| 01:35.08 | xingu | now, on to the next part, what's the interaction in ifupdown between auto and hotplug marked interfaces |
| 01:35.09 | geo-rge | H2OyJaBoN: hi... you don't need /me |
| 01:36.18 | rfrank | I think the problem is that it can't find my mouse, configured to find it at /dev/input/mous |
| 01:36.20 | rfrank | e |
| 01:36.26 | rfrank | but does not find |
| 01:36.26 | geo-rge | mice |
| 01:36.28 | liable | xingu: never had to use that hotplug bit, and i vaguely recall it being depricated (wpa_supp changelog??) |
| 01:36.28 | geo-rge | not mouse |
| 01:36.44 | rfrank | mouse is the singular, mice is the plural |
| 01:36.45 | rfrank | :P |
| 01:36.58 | xingu | liable: interesting; issue at the moment is the oldie and goodie; netdev is plumbed too late for ifup -a |
| 01:36.58 | liable | rfrank: so drxx and fix it |
| 01:36.58 | geo-rge | and mouse doesn't exist, or does it? |
| 01:37.31 | rfrank | drxx? |
| 01:37.32 | liable | rfrank: but its /mice in the conf |
| 01:37.39 | geo-rge | ls: /dev/input/mouse: No such file or directory |
| 01:37.50 | xingu | liable: maybe that is; let me start with - symptom is netdev is down and unaddressed after going multiuser |
| 01:38.04 | geo-rge | rfrank: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 01:38.05 | rfrank | I have mice and mouse0-3 |
| 01:38.16 | H2OyJaBoN | someone have a marvell ehternet include in k9n motherboard? |
| 01:38.20 | rfrank | ah yes |
| 01:38.23 | rfrank | I did that a second ago but |
| 01:38.26 | rfrank | I don't know which one my mouse is at |
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| 01:38.36 | geo-rge | so use mice ;0 |
| 01:38.41 | rfrank | I did and it doesn't work |
| 01:38.44 | xingu | liable: so there's an order problem somewhere; with ipw3945 - the netdev doesn't exist until the regulatory daemon pokes the driver; so maybe - it's starting too late in boot |
| 01:39.00 | geo-rge | rfrank: do you have usbhid module inserted? |
| 01:39.08 | xingu | liable: too late being - after ifupdown |
| 01:39.28 | liable | xingu: see the itp for 3945, MD responds to a similar complaint |
| 01:39.28 | geo-rge | rfrank: usb mouse? |
| 01:39.32 | rfrank | cannot find device /dev/input/mice is the error or something like that |
| 01:39.36 | liable | iirc, it was the itp |
| 01:39.38 | rfrank | yes usb |
| 01:40.04 | geo-rge | ok, either you don't have the drivers at all, or you don't have them inserted |
| 01:40.12 | rfrank | o_O |
| 01:40.25 | rfrank | well it ran with mouse when I was running with sarge |
| 01:40.33 | rfrank | it only broke when I changed to unstable so I must have the drivers |
| 01:40.35 | xingu | liable: yep seems to be it exactly, both are rcS.d/S39 |
| 01:40.42 | liable | xingu: thats why i was messing around with trying to get udev to start it. i got it in the end, but i cant remember exactly what i did, and it was quite ugly |
| 01:41.01 | xingu | liable: and obviously ipw3945d > ifupdown |
| 01:41.10 | geo-rge | rfrank: different kernel? it probably -is- different module insert tools |
| 01:41.18 | xingu | liable: I think just bump ipw to S38 will do it |
| 01:41.28 | rfrank | 2.4.27 is kernel version |
| 01:41.33 | rfrank | -3-686 |
| 01:41.36 | liable | xingu: strange they have it set up that way. no bugs for that? |
| 01:41.44 | liable | !usb mouse |
| 01:41.45 | dpkg | well, usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 01:41.48 | xingu | liable: it's a pretty new package, give 'em a break. :) |
| 01:41.49 | liable | rfrank: ^^ |
| 01:41.56 | geo-rge | maybe you should consider trying a much later kernel |
| 01:42.08 | liable | xingu: the itp has been out for ages. no breaks! :) |
| 01:42.26 | itchi | How can i get the source file of qemu of the unstable branch? |
| 01:42.28 | liable | xingu: the maint was being a bit of a pita about it too |
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| 01:42.52 | geo-rge | apt-get source <packagename>? |
| 01:42.55 | rfrank | Cannot open device: /dev/input/mice - no such device |
| 01:42.55 | itchi | I was thinking to somethings like apt-get -t unstable source qemu |
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| 01:43.27 | itchi | But should i have an unstable src line in my sources.list ? |
| 01:43.33 | liable | !usbmouse |
| 01:43.34 | dpkg | usbmouse is, like, [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 01:43.38 | liable | rfrank: ^^\ |
| 01:43.40 | geo-rge | yes, w9on't work without one |
| 01:44.33 | liable | rfrank: is mousedev loaded? |
| 01:44.53 | rfrank | how do I check |
| 01:44.59 | geo-rge | lsmod |
| 01:45.13 | liable | rfrank: are you sure you want to run unstable? |
| 01:45.14 | geo-rge | check for usbhid too |
| 01:45.47 | geo-rge | if you run unstable, people here will assume you know what you're doing and treat you accordingly |
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| 01:46.32 | xingu | liable: there's a packaging bug there too, it's installed as rc6.d/S36... - obviously this means it will never terminate at controlled reboot... |
| 01:46.32 | geo-rge | (that will sometimes include suggesting you read the source code and determine+FIX the problem) |
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| 01:46.49 | geo-rge | (that will sometimes include suggesting you read the source code and determine+FIX the problem) |
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| 01:47.01 | karsten | rfrank: ...and/or taunt you if you don't seem to be up to it. |
| 01:47.03 | xingu | liable: in fact there's no rc?.d/K.. going on at all |
| 01:47.07 | liable | xingu: S in rc6? |
| 01:47.12 | rfrank | Works now |
| 01:47.12 | rfrank | :D |
| 01:47.12 | xingu | liable: yuhuh. |
| 01:47.13 | rfrank | woot |
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| 01:47.40 | IntertelWS | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.12 | liable | xingu: teething problems i guess, i am gonna have to go get my TP and have a whirl at this thing later |
| 01:48.20 | geo-rge | IntertelWS: first get your sound input and output working, rule that out, then continue |
| 01:48.21 | karsten | IntertelWS: #asterisk? |
| 01:48.24 | xingu | mmm |
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| 01:49.21 | karsten | #asterisk-drunks looks promising ;-) |
| 01:49.32 | xingu | liable: might wrap all this up and post a problem report for ipw3945d, a patch for firmware-ipw3945 for initramfs hooks, and a wish for saner firmware handling in initramfs-tools itself |
| 01:49.46 | liable | xingu: err, how did you say the daemon was started? |
| 01:49.48 | xingu | liable: if I get a mo tomorrow that is |
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| 01:50.20 | xingu | liable: there's a modprobe.d hook as well as an init script; the modprobe hook calls the init script anyway |
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| 01:50.48 | xingu | liable: that way you get hotplug as well as init at boot - kinda - if all the other stuff is thought through |
| 01:51.05 | liable | meh |
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| 01:51.18 | xingu | liable: what I had was just a pre-up in interfaces. :) |
| 01:51.32 | xingu | liable: it worked, but is gross. :) |
| 01:51.49 | liable | heh |
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| 01:52.21 | IntertelWS | geo-gre did you answer a minute ago?? Because the connetction just drop me off |
| 01:52.37 | geo-rge | rfrank: what did you do to solve it |
| 01:52.41 | evilbulgarian | hi what is the command to make a file a specific size ? |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | i think i know why the phone doesn't work |
| 01:53.09 | geo-rge | IntertelWS: first get your sound input and output working, rule that out, then continue <-- that's all I said |
| 01:53.10 | abrotman | dd is one way |
| 01:53.27 | evilbulgarian | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | what size ? |
| 01:53.47 | liable | <---------------> |
| 01:53.56 | abrotman | the sheep like that eh ? |
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| 01:54.45 | geo-rge | limp: abrotman's running with you! |
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| 01:55.42 | liable | hehe |
| 01:55.57 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
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| 01:57.06 | liable | poor root |
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| 01:58.28 | geo-rge | jello: still here? |
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| 02:00.47 | geo-rge | !info fglrx-driver |
| 02:00.51 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 7375 kB, Installed size: 21996 kB |
| 02:01.22 | geo-rge | !fglrx-kernel-src |
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| 02:01.46 | _ws_ | anyone using vmware workstation? |
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| 02:02.18 | liable | graphics driver bigger than the kernel.. |
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| 02:02.28 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 02:02.28 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 02:02.42 | Renfield | Hello. I'm trying to use my own compiled kernel with Debian testing. When it boots up I get "VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block" |
| 02:02.45 | pipeline | _ws_: Install the version of GCC that matches your kernel. |
| 02:02.50 | pipeline | abrotman: The emacs disease isn't bloat, it's shitty design. |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | aka .. bloat :) |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | infectious bloat |
| 02:03.08 | geo-rge | not necessarily |
| 02:03.13 | pipeline | abrotman: "Bloat" i.e. features were its explicit intention. Elisp being the worst language ever devised, not so much. |
| 02:03.24 | abrotman | it's intentional |
| 02:03.28 | pipeline | abrotman: Emacs was SUPPOSED to be packed with bizarre features and hugely extensible. |
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| 02:03.33 | geo-rge | there are other ways it could b4e poorly designed... and one of those is it uses dirty pointers |
| 02:03.44 | Renfield | Does anyone know why I am getting that error message? |
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| 02:03.45 | abrotman | when you have hooks for an IRC client in your editor .. it's intentional |
| 02:03.47 | _ws_ | pipe: I'm using VMware Server, but I've written an perf mon app for it that might work on WS as well.. |
| 02:03.49 | pipeline | abrotman: It was NOT supposed to leak memory, lack modern lisp features (modern as of 1989, anyway) and be incredibly slow. |
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| 02:04.03 | abrotman | design! |
| 02:04.18 | pipeline | maybe I should have said good design, terrible engineering :P |
| 02:04.30 | pipeline | now, everyone's so tied into that horrible elisp language, emacs is here to stay as-is ;_; |
| 02:04.30 | Goyim | if im going to be installing debian testing on a core2duo, do I need a different netinstall cd for a 64 bit install? |
| 02:04.47 | pipeline | Goyim: Unless you have more than 4G of RAM, you certainly do not want 64 bit. |
| 02:04.53 | geo-rge | Goyim: probably |
| 02:04.56 | Goyim | Package kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp <--- you're the only distro ive seen do this |
| 02:05.04 | liable | yes |
| 02:05.05 | pipeline | Goyim: If you DO have more than 4G of RAM, you still probably don't want 64 bit: It's best to install a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland. |
| 02:05.11 | Goyim | pipeline, I appreciate the thought, but ive got a core2duo and a gig of ram and I want 64 bit. |
| 02:05.14 | solemnwarning | I have a mouse that has 2 extra buttons on the side, atm they act like button 1/2, can I configure the X server to use them as extra buttons? |
| 02:05.19 | pipeline | Goyim: Well, that's foolish. Have fun with that. :) |
| 02:05.25 | Goyim | pipeline, I will, thanks :) |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | solemnwarning: yes |
| 02:05.44 | pipeline | solemnwarning: Yes, but it won't do any good. Applications generally expect you to have five buttons and no more :\ |
| 02:05.50 | geo-rge | Goyim: you're using or ever used gentoo? |
| 02:06.02 | solemnwarning | I just want to use them in UT, I expect it can use more then 5 :) |
| 02:06.12 | Goyim | Yes, Ive used gentoo, debians core2duo support is better than gentoo's, at least now |
| 02:06.15 | abrotman | so use them |
| 02:06.16 | geo-rge | Utah?? |
| 02:06.18 | pipeline | solemnwarning: If it can't, it's creators should be taken out and shot :P |
| 02:06.20 | solemnwarning | So what do I need to set in X settings? |
| 02:06.33 | geo-rge | Goyim: I suspected as much :) |
| 02:06.50 | pipeline | Goyim: How could that be? The kernel's essentially the same, and I don't know how anyone could fuck up the userland so much as to make such a tiny difference have any importance. |
| 02:06.55 | Goyim | geo-rge, I was REALLY surprised |
| 02:07.02 | Goyim | pipeline, thats nice :) |
| 02:07.10 | geo-rge | Goyim: it's the KERNEL that supports DEVICES, not distros |
| 02:07.34 | pipeline | Goyim, geo-rge : So how the hell did they screw up their kernel such that C2D doesn't work properly? What doesn't work? |
| 02:07.37 | Goyim | geo-rge, I understand this, its more of a GCC not having decent cflags for core2duo yet |
| 02:07.57 | pipeline | ahah. CFLAGS. i.e. not a problem at all. |
| 02:08.10 | Goyim | pipeline, it may "work properly" in the sense that it is functional, but it is not set up FOR the core2duo yet. |
| 02:08.28 | geo-rge | Goyim: just use the default ones, should be fine |
| 02:08.31 | Goyim | perhaps for you. I prefer to have things set up properly :) |
| 02:08.37 | Goyim | geo-rge, nope |
| 02:08.56 | Goyim | wait a minute |
| 02:09.00 | solemnwarning | How do I configure the extra 2 buttons on my mouse? |
| 02:09.02 | Goyim | they have core2 dup suppor tnow |
| 02:09.09 | Goyim | they went to gcc 4.2 |
| 02:09.16 | Goyim | so now theres a -march=core2 |
| 02:09.25 | Goyim | hooray for me |
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| 02:10.34 | abrotman | !hooray |
| 02:10.42 | Goyim | im still using debian on my server though |
| 02:10.49 | Goyim | no 64 bit there |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | what's debian ? |
| 02:13.35 | liable | its debain! |
| 02:13.36 | Quintin | !why |
| 02:13.36 | dpkg | Because! |
| 02:13.41 | Quintin | !why debian |
| 02:13.42 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 02:14.26 | Quintin | anyone here have experience with blootbot? |
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| 02:14.42 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 02:14.54 | lkthomas | I got problem with apt-get update |
| 02:14.56 | lkthomas | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:14.57 | lkthomas | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 02:14.57 | lkthomas | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 02:15.12 | abrotman | lkthomas: /topic |
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| 02:15.25 | geo-rge | lkthomas: /topic, /msg dpkg paste |
| 02:15.30 | liable | lkthomas: its in the new debian-archive-keyring package |
| 02:15.41 | lkthomas | liable: hmm ? |
| 02:15.48 | lkthomas | liable: so what should I install ? |
| 02:15.57 | liable | install/update that package |
| 02:16.07 | geo-rge | lkthomas: umm... err ahh... debian-archive-keyring maybe? |
| 02:16.36 | lkthomas | it's up to date already |
| 02:17.05 | lkthomas | 2006.11.22 |
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| 02:17.49 | enouf | lkthomas: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 02:17.55 | lkthomas | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.03 | liable | that just says to get the package |
| 02:18.15 | enouf | no spaces before the command |
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| 02:18.27 | zaphands | Hello. How do I choose which services to start? For example I would like to disable apache and cvsd from starting when I reboot, although I still want them installed. |
| 02:18.29 | liable | lkthomas: if thats up to date, then /msg dpkg 2006 and substitute the key no's |
| 02:18.30 | lkthomas | I use that apt-get install, but not work |
| 02:18.38 | enouf | aw crap |
| 02:18.43 | liable | err /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 02:18.44 | enouf | it didn't used to |
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| 02:20.05 | lkthomas | same problem after that, liable |
| 02:20.13 | eps | mmm I just noticed a grammatical error on the debian.org main page |
| 02:20.27 | geo-rge | zaphands: look at the dirs /etc/init.d and (for example) /etc/rc2.d |
| 02:20.39 | eps | " ... it comes with over 15490 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine." |
| 02:20.43 | geo-rge | also look at the README file in one of those dirs |
| 02:20.54 | geo-rge | also look at man update-rc.d |
| 02:20.58 | enouf | lkthomas: you did something wrong then .. are you using Sarge? |
| 02:21.08 | lkthomas | enouf: unstable |
| 02:21.08 | liable | lkthomas: paste the output from an update to a pastebot |
| 02:21.29 | eps | it either needs a comma after software (before bundled) or it needs to be rewriten (my vote) |
| 02:21.44 | enouf | lkthomas: it worked for me and many others .. di you leave off the last "- " .. don't |
| 02:21.52 | enouf | did* |
| 02:21.53 | lkthomas | nevermind , done |
| 02:22.01 | geo-rge | !info fglrx-installer sid |
| 02:22.02 | zaphands | geo-rge: Thanks! |
| 02:22.39 | geo-rge | zaphands: welcome; it should give you a fairly broad overview of how it works |
| 02:23.08 | lkthomas | thanks guys |
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| 02:25.08 | enouf | liable: I just noticed .. that 2006 key factoid is a diff key than when all those errors were occuring about a week ago .. also noticed lkthomas's was the same key many were having wtf? |
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| 02:25.51 | nrdb | I have a debian installation it wont start the gui, it complains that the xserver won't start, offers to display the error, and display nothing, what package do I reconfigure for the X11 server ? |
| 02:25.57 | liable | enouf: ya, its a new key, the debian-archive-keyring package should fix that problem |
| 02:26.05 | liable | *should* |
| 02:26.13 | asg | nrdb: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 02:26.16 | eps | nrdb do you have an x server installed? |
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| 02:26.38 | enouf | liable: hrm ... I had keyring installed prior also .. oh well ,.. |
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| 02:27.04 | nrdb | eps: it used to start, but its a while since I pluged a monitor in. |
| 02:27.13 | eps | kk |
| 02:27.54 | nrdb | eps: the vncserver is working |
| 02:27.57 | liable | enouf: i added the key manually, then upgraded, and that package checked all keys when it upgraded, so i presume it would have pulled it in |
| 02:30.03 | dennisharrison | hey guys, I am beating my head against the wall on this one |
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| 02:30.21 | lkthomas | is that possible to downgrade from unstable to stable ? |
| 02:30.27 | dennisharrison | [FATAL] mysql PHP libraries not installed when I have php4-mysql installed |
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| 02:30.39 | liable | lkthomas: no |
| 02:30.39 | Kakarot_ | Hey guys |
| 02:30.51 | Kakarot_ | whats another good server for linux distrub help? |
| 02:30.54 | asg | dennisharrison: restart apache |
| 02:30.56 | Kakarot_ | distrib* |
| 02:31.07 | zinx | Kakarot_: irc.debian.org, irc.oftc.net |
| 02:31.16 | Kakarot_ | not just debian |
| 02:31.22 | geo-rge | Kakarot_: irc.prison.net |
| 02:31.23 | Kakarot_ | I ned slackware too |
| 02:31.24 | asg | dennisharrison: if that doesn't help, verify that /etc/php4/apache/php4.ini has 'extension=mysql.so' defined (near the bottom) |
| 02:31.27 | zinx | Kakarot_: irc.debian.org, irc.oftc.net |
| 02:31.36 | Kakarot_ | no offense to you guys but this sever is ridiculous with its ops |
| 02:31.39 | zinx | Kakarot_: irc.debian.org's just a pointer to whatever network it happens to be on |
| 02:31.53 | zinx | Kakarot_: i think right now it's actually on oftc. |
| 02:31.54 | nrdb | how do I reconfigure the Xserver package ? |
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| 02:32.00 | asg | nrdb: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 02:32.05 | geo-rge | Kakarot_: then don't interact with them and don't do things that attract them |
| 02:32.07 | nrdb | asg: what? |
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| 02:32.15 | Kakarot_ | geo-rge |
| 02:32.27 | asg | nrdb: /msg dpkg drxx (our bot will tell you) |
| 02:32.31 | Kakarot_ | I once got banned from here for standing up against some one attacking me |
| 02:32.40 | Kakarot_ | and slackware just banned me because it was dead and I spoke about the Wii |
| 02:32.48 | Kakarot_ | talk about power tripping, but thanks for the suggestions guys |
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| 02:32.57 | Kakarot_ | ill try that server out |
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| 02:33.17 | zinx | Kakarot_: unfortunately for you, there are probably a lot of the same ops. |
| 02:33.22 | Kakarot_ | I know |
| 02:33.24 | Kakarot_ | ill find one eventually |
| 02:33.25 | dennisharrison | asg: uhmm .. in debian where is httpd ? |
| 02:33.36 | dennisharrison | heh.. :( |
| 02:33.50 | Kakarot_ | This op also tried to accuse me of evading a ban when im on the EXACT same IP and nick lol |
| 02:34.39 | dennisharrison | asg: or rather ... I guess its not httpd here ? apache2 -graceful ? |
| 02:34.41 | Kakarot_ | something tells me that op sent a spy in here too lol |
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| 02:34.51 | geo-rge | it sounds to me like you must have done something to annoy someone... so don't annoy ops and you'll get along fine... notice you've made it here, so it's not forever that you're banned |
| 02:34.59 | asg | dennisharrison: /etc/init.d/apache{2} restart |
| 02:35.09 | straterra | Yes, because the OP is all powerful and controls everyone and is incapabible of coming in himself...and is afraid of you... |
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| 02:35.27 | straterra | I just had to come see the crying for myself, that's all |
| 02:35.28 | nn-main | hi how do i turn on my Ati Tv card out side |
| 02:35.30 | dennisharrison | asg: thanks im sure this is the problem |
| 02:35.35 | nn-main | ?? |
| 02:35.42 | Kakarot_ | not crying |
| 02:35.47 | geo-rge | don't trip on that crap!! live. let live. DON'T talk about that, for two reasons: it seems to feed your paranoia, and it's offtopic anyways |
| 02:35.48 | Kakarot_ | just here to get suggestions on another server |
| 02:35.55 | nrdb | asg: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' return 'not installed' --- 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' returns 'is broken or not fully installed' |
| 02:36.03 | ix | I haven't been banned in... I can't remeber how long. The trick is simple. BEHAVE. |
| 02:36.04 | Kakarot_ | the people who cry are those who have the conversation WITH me then call me a troll lol |
| 02:36.06 | ix | :) |
| 02:36.21 | asg | nrdb: apt-get -f install (see if that fixes things) |
| 02:36.31 | geo-rge | you have them. btw, you seem to be welcome here at the moment... so ask your questions if you want |
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| 02:36.42 | Kakarot_ | lol that is true ix but talking off topic isnt a bannable offense |
| 02:36.44 | dennisharrison | asg: negative on that ... trying the php.ini |
| 02:36.53 | Kakarot_ | considering the op in question was the one who started the conversation with me lol |
| 02:36.55 | nrdb | asg: no further args like a package name ? |
| 02:37.04 | asg | nrdb: in this case, no |
| 02:37.07 | straterra | Kakarot_: you missed one of the critical rules of the channel...its not a democracy |
| 02:37.12 | Kakarot_ | oftc seems a little dead |
| 02:37.16 | Kakarot_ | yah thats fine |
| 02:37.20 | straterra | His channel..his rules.. |
| 02:37.24 | Kakarot_ | hence why im not mad about it, I dont want to be in a room with fascists |
| 02:37.32 | ix | Kakarot_: sounds like a rare occurrence. Still, as straterra states, IRC is not a democractic communication channel. |
| 02:37.42 | geo-rge | Kakarot_: ask your -debian- question here if you want. DON'T troll about ops (which is what you are now doing, you're better served by DROPPING it) |
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| 02:37.50 | Kakarot_ | I unlike many people here dont hide behind the internet and power trip |
| 02:37.55 | Kakarot_ | im done geo-rge:) |
| 02:38.04 | asg | Kakarot_: #freenode is where you need to go to bitch about ops |
| 02:38.12 | Kakarot_ | straterra has enough to run back to #slackware with now |
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| 02:38.19 | geo-rge | good :) now ask your debian question if you want |
| 02:38.21 | nrdb | asg: it checked the package list then did nothing |
| 02:38.32 | Kakarot_ | I do have a question about my lcd monitor setup but I cant do it right now lol |
| 02:38.33 | straterra | Run back? |
| 02:38.41 | straterra | You think I'm the only one from ##slackware in here? |
| 02:38.43 | nn-main | how do i enable my tv card |
| 02:38.47 | asg | nrdb: but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg returns an error? |
| 02:38.53 | Kakarot_ | and what does bitching in #freenode do lol |
| 02:39.02 | straterra | Why should they care? |
| 02:39.15 | Kakarot_ | I didnt say they should, thats just what some one else suggested |
| 02:39.29 | asg | straterra, Kakarot_: take it to #moan |
| 02:39.29 | nrdb | asg: yes! "broken or not fully installed" |
| 02:39.32 | liable | Kakarot_: more than bitching in here, how about letting it go before you annoy people in here? |
| 02:39.34 | geo-rge | Kakarot_: you're being a troll |
| 02:39.41 | asg | nrdb: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 02:39.41 | Kakarot_ | im done im done honestly |
| 02:39.47 | Kakarot_ | I was just answring his question |
| 02:39.50 | geo-rge | you already said that |
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| 02:40.08 | Kakarot_ | I said im done |
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| 02:40.13 | nrdb | asg: how can I find ? out its been a while since I installed it. |
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| 02:40.17 | straterra | Ok.. |
| 02:40.24 | geo-rge | now calm down, act like a normal person and hang out if yuou want |
| 02:40.25 | asg | nrdb: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:40.28 | Kakarot_ | omg |
| 02:40.29 | Kakarot_ | I said im done |
| 02:40.32 | Kakarot_ | yet the comments keep comming |
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| 02:40.42 | asg | Kakarot_: yes, you did. Stop fucking saying it. We don't care |
| 02:41.07 | ix | it's been a long time since I saw an op-rant on IRC :) |
| 02:41.09 | nrdb | asg: kernel is 2.6.15-1-686 |
| 02:41.26 | geo-rge | ix: argh, and I had to respond... |
| 02:41.28 | asg | nrdb: irrelevant, what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
| 02:41.49 | dennisharrison | asg: my extension=mysql.so is there in php.ini and apache2 has been reset |
| 02:41.49 | ix | geo-rge: heheh ;) |
| 02:41.52 | nrdb | asg: 4.0 |
| 02:41.58 | geo-rge | !find po4a |
| 02:42.03 | ix | geo-rge: Keep in mind I find this very amusing ;) |
| 02:42.04 | dpkg | po4a: (tools for helping translation of documentation), section text, is optional. Version: 0.29-1 (sid), Packaged size: 678 kB, Installed size: 1688 kB |
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| 02:42.16 | Kakarot_ | what are some other servers |
| 02:42.20 | Kakarot_ | oftc seems dead |
| 02:42.21 | asg | nrdb: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 02:42.31 | geo-rge | irc.prison.net |
| 02:42.42 | asg | dennisharrison: was that in /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini? |
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| 02:42.55 | geo-rge | if it's still alive that is |
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| 02:43.08 | zaphands | Hello again. I'm having trouble with update-rc.d. It says: update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/cvsd exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force). -f doesn't help also. How can I remove cvsd from the scripts without uninstalling? |
| 02:43.20 | Kakarot_ | its not on the list |
| 02:43.32 | geo-rge | zaphands: see /etc/init.d |
| 02:43.38 | abrotman | Kakarot_: /server irc.prison.net |
| 02:43.45 | liable | zaphands: what does -f say? |
| 02:43.46 | asg | Kakarot_: /server joke |
| 02:44.04 | nrdb | asg: what url should I use ? |
| 02:44.14 | asg | nrdb: /msg dpkg paster |
| 02:44.17 | geo-rge | it's halfway a joke yes... but who knows, he might get along there |
| 02:44.20 | zaphands | That it's removing startup links. but cvsd still starts up. |
| 02:44.23 | Kakarot_ | abrotman its been a long time, isnt there a way to connect to another server and still stay connected to the one you are on |
| 02:44.39 | Kakarot_ | hey if its not a fascist dictatorship im happy lol |
| 02:44.41 | geo-rge | the ops there are quite touchy... so he better find out the rules |
| 02:44.42 | zaphands | same goes for apache. |
| 02:44.46 | asg | Kakarot_: /server +foo (if I remember correctly) |
| 02:44.55 | dennisharrison | asg: yes it was |
| 02:44.57 | Kakarot_ | im too opinionated and outspoken to deal with what I see now lol |
| 02:45.00 | liable | Kakarot_: /connect +irc.blah |
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| 02:45.21 | dennisharrison | asg: should I specify the entire path ? |
| 02:45.25 | dennisharrison | guess it can't hurt huh? |
| 02:45.31 | asg | dennisharrison: path to what? |
| 02:45.37 | dennisharrison | mysql.so |
| 02:45.46 | geo-rge | Kakarot_: that would very seriously come under the heading of "not my problem" |
| 02:45.49 | asg | dennisharrison: no, extension=mysql.so is all that is required |
| 02:45.54 | dennisharrison | bummer |
| 02:46.07 | ix | oh, he's using mIRC. what a shock. :) |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | and an apache restart |
| 02:46.11 | asg | dennisharrison: what debian version are you running? |
| 02:46.20 | asg | abrotman: or apache2 in this case |
| 02:46.23 | Kakarot_ | didnt say it was, just saying |
| 02:46.29 | Kakarot_ | hence me saying im "outspoken" |
| 02:46.37 | nrdb | asg: see http://channels.debian.net/paste/4680 |
| 02:46.39 | dennisharrison | asg: hrmm ... whatever testing is |
| 02:46.45 | geo-rge | so he's not running linux? |
| 02:46.45 | dennisharrison | I used the etch1 installer for network |
| 02:46.52 | Kakarot_ | its taking forever to get voiced in #freenode starting to wonder if my mouth already got me in trouble over there too lol |
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| 02:47.20 | crakkah | prolly |
| 02:47.27 | abrotman | Kakarot_: noone cares ... shut up already |
| 02:47.36 | geo-rge | Kakarot_: you mean you're going in there thinking to troll about the rules? |
| 02:47.37 | dennisharrison | hehe I already ignored him :) |
| 02:47.45 | Kakarot_ | no actually |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | Kakarot_: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 02:48.20 | Kakarot_ | in a few minutes I will |
| 02:48.22 | asg | bah, batteries |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | yes or no ? |
| 02:48.26 | dennisharrison | asg: is there a way to verify that this is working and the install script I am using has the error instead? |
| 02:48.33 | straterra | I have a question.. |
| 02:48.37 | straterra | Debian uses apt-get, right? |
| 02:48.42 | dennisharrison | yes |
| 02:48.42 | geo-rge | yes |
| 02:48.44 | eps | ask it |
| 02:48.53 | geo-rge | If I had a question... |
| 02:48.57 | nrdb | straterra: yes |
| 02:48.58 | eps | if you wait to ask we'll wait to answer :D |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | straterra: or aptitude .. or synaptic |
| 02:49.05 | abrotman | or dselect |
| 02:49.11 | geo-rge | ugh! |
| 02:49.12 | dennisharrison | dpkg |
| 02:49.12 | straterra | Generally, how often are the repositories updated? |
| 02:49.18 | geo-rge | you HAD to bring that up! |
| 02:49.19 | dennisharrison | all the time ? |
| 02:49.23 | ix | aptitude > apt-get! |
| 02:49.32 | abrotman | it's not even sunday |
| 02:49.32 | geo-rge | sorta |
| 02:49.33 | dennisharrison | is that gui ? |
| 02:49.40 | straterra | abrotman: please don't say portage :P |
| 02:50.18 | crakkah | hehe |
| 02:50.18 | geo-rge | sportage? |
| 02:50.18 | ix | aptitude is ncurses-based, but can be used from command line |
| 02:50.18 | eps | straterra the australian ones tend to update once a day against the us debian ones, though the debian one in au updates rather regularly |
| 02:50.19 | eps | aptitude rawks |
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| 02:50.25 | geo-rge | dennisharrison: no, it's dry and chalky |
| 02:50.31 | dennisharrison | ix: what is different about it ? |
| 02:50.42 | dennisharrison | geo-rge: but I like dry and chalky! |
| 02:50.43 | eps | I only ever use apt-get in the rare case I need apt-get install --reinstall app |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 02:50.44 | dpkg | from memory, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 02:50.53 | eps | it has decent dependancy handling |
| 02:51.00 | ix | sure has :) |
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| 02:51.10 | dennisharrison | eps: ahh ... dependancy handling ... thats a novel idea |
| 02:51.13 | straterra | Hmm..for a server and stability, one should stick with apt-get, right? |
| 02:51.17 | dennisharrison | maybe I should be using that right now :) |
| 02:51.19 | dennisharrison | right |
| 02:51.20 | lkthomas | does cyrus support maildir and mbox as well ? |
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| 02:51.21 | nrdb | asg: any ideas |
| 02:51.22 | eps | diff based source list updating too... easier dls |
| 02:51.28 | dennisharrison | huh |
| 02:51.36 | dennisharrison | so apt-get install aptitude ? ;p |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | lkthomas: it's maildir like .. |
| 02:51.55 | geo-rge | its algorithm is better than apt-get for dep handling... apt-get was originally thought of as a libapt test |
| 02:51.57 | ix | but that's probably highly subjective. |
| 02:52.15 | straterra | Last question... |
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| 02:52.26 | dennisharrison | well ill try anything to get rid of this crap and get freepbx installed on here |
| 02:52.27 | nrdb | I like synaptic :) myself |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | you would! |
| 02:52.32 | geo-rge | ...I'd question out danger! |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | use storm-pkg! |
| 02:52.47 | dennisharrison | lol |
| 02:52.57 | geo-rge | ...I'd question out waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarning! |
| 02:53.01 | dennisharrison | I had no clue debian had all these package managers |
| 02:53.04 | ix | press play on tape! |
| 02:53.09 | straterra | Not looking for a fan-boy answers, even though I realize I am in #debian... How is the "dependency hell" in apt-get? |
| 02:53.17 | abrotman | in debian ? |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | not if you use it correctly |
| 02:53.35 | jelly | does someone have a script for xchat that highlights 6 digit numbers and converts into clickable bugs.d.o links? :-) |
| 02:53.39 | geo-rge | they mostly use either dpkg, libapt or both... and so they're really one |
| 02:53.44 | ix | (stay away from sid, he is evil!) |
| 02:53.51 | dennisharrison | yeah, after moving away from rh and derivitives I like debian |
| 02:53.55 | eps | bah no love for the sid :| |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | jelly: are you f'in serious ? |
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| 02:54.01 | ix | hehe |
| 02:54.03 | dennisharrison | a lot of things are ... not where I expect them to be :) |
| 02:54.07 | ix | aah, the dualism of man! |
| 02:54.10 | jelly | abrotman: one can only hope |
| 02:54.17 | nrdb | straterra: for supported packages not much of a problem, though when asking to install one packege many dependancies might be downloaded. |
| 02:54.17 | straterra | Hmm...ok. Thanks for your answers. :) |
| 02:54.21 | eps | I use sid...and probably to much experimental for my own good |
| 02:54.30 | dennisharrison | now, whats wrong with sid? :) |
| 02:54.30 | geo-rge | jelly: they're not all 6 digs! :) |
| 02:54.31 | jelly | geo-rge: oops |
| 02:54.32 | ix | tends to break very often :p |
| 02:54.41 | dennisharrison | livin on the edge baby! |
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| 02:54.45 | abrotman | jelly: did you .. uh .. ask #xchat ? :) |
| 02:54.48 | ix | yeah! latest/greatest! |
| 02:54.56 | geo-rge | what is po4a? |
| 02:54.56 | dennisharrison | ... wow, thats when you realize you are a freakin geek |
| 02:55.14 | dennisharrison | I just said livin on the edge in reference to new software |
| 02:55.15 | Kakarot_ | ?join #xchat |
| 02:55.26 | ix | Kakarot_: ? |
| 02:55.30 | dennisharrison | lol |
| 02:55.33 | peterS | geo-rge: a convertor between various l10n file formats |
| 02:55.34 | jelly | abrotman: um. |
| 02:55.35 | Kakarot_ | sorry held shift |
| 02:55.39 | geo-rge | dennisharrison: lots of people like that it uses all the bleeding-edge stuff |
| 02:55.44 | Kakarot_ | didnt know there was a #xchat |
| 02:55.50 | geo-rge | peterS: do you know what pkg it's in? |
| 02:55.55 | dennisharrison | geo-rge: I am pretty sure I am on sid right now |
| 02:55.58 | abrotman | Kakarot_: got that Debian question yet? |
| 02:56.11 | peterS | geo-rge: the package is named po4a but it is only in testing/unstable, not stable |
| 02:56.12 | dennisharrison | geo-rge: I know my laptop distro is based on sid (kanotix) |
| 02:56.15 | geo-rge | dennisharrison: hope you can read/write C :) |
| 02:56.30 | dennisharrison | geo-rge: python and java is as far as I go :( |
| 02:56.56 | dennisharrison | I used to know php before it left me in the dust back at 3 :) |
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| 02:57.40 | ix | will this require any more pondering than just installing some nifty software for gnome? |
| 02:57.41 | dennisharrison | and that brings to me to my "I am not an admin, but merely a regular joe" question :) [FATAL] mysql PHP libraries not installed <- Help?! |
| 02:58.11 | geo-rge | dennisharrison: some say "you better read the source code of all sid packages you install... or suffer possible damage, worst case is probably something like unrecoverable filesystem corruption that causes whole installation to fail miserably" |
| 02:58.43 | dennisharrison | geo-rge: awesome ... and I was joking about the whole bleeding edge thing, but, I guess not really :) |
| 02:58.46 | ix | geo-rge: my kitchen knife has the same problems regarding it :) |
| 02:58.58 | geo-rge | while the worst case doesn't happen often, it could |
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| 02:59.07 | peterS | ix: which keyboard layout does your kitchen knife use by default? |
| 02:59.17 | dennisharrison | lol |
| 02:59.23 | ix | peterS: heheh (; |
| 02:59.35 | ix | no-latin1! |
| 02:59.40 | ix | as in NO LATIN! |
| 02:59.46 | ix | (or norwegian, if you like) |
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| 03:00.21 | dennisharrison | so, does it like ... cut tomatoes and stuff also ? |
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| 03:00.37 | ix | dennisharrison: including my fingers, ye. |
| 03:00.38 | ToxicSun | can someone show me where to get etch? |
| 03:00.38 | ix | s. |
| 03:00.44 | eps | debian.org |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | !d-i ToxicSun |
| 03:00.49 | dpkg | ToxicSun, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 03:01.23 | dennisharrison | oh damnit |
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| 03:01.46 | dennisharrison | the solution to my problem is to chmod 777 /var/run/mysql |
| 03:01.52 | dennisharrison | gtfo ... thats unacceptable |
| 03:02.01 | ix | it's also a problem to the solution |
| 03:02.02 | geo-rge | yes exactly |
| 03:02.04 | Kakarot_ | erg my live cd stopped working |
| 03:02.10 | peterS | any solution that involves "chmod 777", for _any_ debian problem, is almost _always_ incorrect. |
| 03:02.15 | dennisharrison | eh well at least I know how to really fix it |
| 03:02.19 | dennisharrison | yeah |
| 03:02.23 | ix | Kakarot_: you run mIRC on a live cd? |
| 03:02.24 | dennisharrison | I don't know why someone would even post that |
| 03:02.26 | dsnyders | HI all! My hard drive crashed, and I tried using e2retrieve to recover. What do you do with the three files it creates? |
| 03:02.31 | Kakarot_ | no im on my laptop |
| 03:02.35 | geo-rge | right, don't use mysql :) |
| 03:02.37 | ToxicSun | abrotman, the second link that that gave me, do i want to use the i386 link directly under "to install debian testing".... i want an etch netinstall iso for i386 |
| 03:02.42 | Kakarot_ | but you can run gaim from a live cd |
| 03:02.48 | abrotman | probably |
| 03:03.00 | Kakarot_ | !livecd |
| 03:03.00 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 03:03.14 | dennisharrison | geo-rge: well yeah that too I actually have to because its a dep of freepbx for my asterisk box here, but at least I can figure out whatever user it really needs to have access |
| 03:03.41 | geo-rge | dennisharrison: who knows, maybe you can port the data model to pg |
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| 03:04.34 | ix | !internet |
| 03:04.34 | dpkg | [internet] An internet is any set of interconnected networks. The Internet is the largest internet in the world. It is an extensive worldwide computer network made up of thousands of other, smaller business, academic, and government networks. http://www.advogato.org/proj/internet/, or known as cyberspace. It is where I live dpkg |
| 03:04.42 | ix | :)) |
| 03:05.11 | dennisharrison | haha |
| 03:05.25 | dennisharrison | well thanks guys looks like that wasn't it either |
| 03:05.36 | dennisharrison | im just going to configure it manually and screw all this late night dep solving |
| 03:05.47 | dennisharrison | going swimming with extensions |
| 03:05.51 | dennisharrison | enjoyed the banter! |
| 03:05.51 | dennisharrison | peace |
| 03:06.15 | ToxicSun | word |
| 03:06.15 | Kakarot_ | later |
| 03:06.15 | peterS | php extensions? |
| 03:06.18 | ToxicSun | has anyone here heard of True Combat: Elite |
| 03:06.35 | geo-rge | it's -not- easy to install debhelper-5.* on stable |
| 03:06.53 | peterS | geo-rge: that's the sort of thing I would have expected someone to post to backports.org |
| 03:07.02 | Kakarot_ | careful ToxicSun thats off topic you can only talk if you have a debian question :) |
| 03:07.10 | ToxicSun | right, sorry |
| 03:07.26 | ToxicSun | im used to the whacky banter of #linux, my bad |
| 03:07.46 | Kakarot_ | lol never tried that # maybe I should |
| 03:08.07 | ToxicSun | its fun... admittedly im an idiot and they dont hate me yet |
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| 03:08.20 | ToxicSun | and we have some laughs |
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| 03:09.19 | geo-rge | ToxicSun: I'm guessing you're ok given you haven't ranted off topic for like 20 mins |
| 03:09.27 | Kakarot_ | but yes toxicsun ive heard of true combat elite not sure how long we can talk about it before we get kicked though lol |
| 03:09.30 | Kakarot_ | what is your question? |
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| 03:09.41 | peterS | ToxicSun: it's true, we are a lot more lax about people yammering off-topic when they have a history of contributing positively to the channel. since the actual channel is really for Debian technical support. |
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| 03:10.47 | ToxicSun | oh no, peters, i dont blame anyone... id contribute if i had any knowledge but the truth is, comparatively, i dont... i ask questions and often times im too dense to glean anything from them without pissing anyone off so when it comes to contributing... it's pretty tough |
| 03:10.56 | geo-rge | peterS: here's hoping... |
| 03:11.57 | ToxicSun | i dont blame anyone for wanting to stay on topic, thats what its all about |
| 03:11.59 | ix | it's awfully easy to ramble and still being somewhat on topic. |
| 03:12.01 | ix | just look at me. |
| 03:12.02 | ix | :) |
| 03:12.16 | Kakarot_ | its not when you dont know much about linux lol |
| 03:12.24 | nrdb | asg: I reinstalled xserver-xorg, it downloaded a lot of dependancies, and now is working, thanks for the help |
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| 03:13.06 | Kakarot_ | heyyyyyy I finally got a question |
| 03:13.07 | lastnode | anyone else running bcm4318 here? |
| 03:13.26 | Kakarot_ | its virtually impossible to burn a bootable mac disk using windows, can it be done using debian? |
| 03:13.34 | lastnode | for some reason, dhclient doesn't fetch dhcp, is there another package i can try? |
| 03:13.45 | abrotman | lastnode: fwcutter |
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| 03:13.52 | peterS | Kakarot_: burning the disc isn't the problem, creating the bootable iso image is the problem, I think |
| 03:14.03 | lastnode | abrotman, the firmware is cut from wl_apsta.o, the recommended driver. :\ |
| 03:14.05 | Kakarot_ | its tricky thats all I know |
| 03:14.13 | abrotman | lastnode: fwcutter downloads it |
| 03:14.14 | Kakarot_ | I had the .dmg file |
| 03:14.15 | liable | lastnode: dhcp3client, pump |
| 03:14.22 | peterS | Kakarot_: anyway, debian mkisofs includes support for that - otherwise how could Debian produce bootable installation CDs for macs? |
| 03:14.26 | Kakarot_ | converted it to iso and it was readable but not bootable (blessed) |
| 03:14.43 | Kakarot_ | I know peter thats why I thought linux might be the solution |
| 03:15.06 | peterS | anyway, I don't know anything about .dmg -> .iso conversion and whether that messes with powerpc boot records |
| 03:15.13 | Kakarot_ | I dont have a fucntioning mac but cant have one running until I get a blessed mac os disk |
| 03:15.14 | lastnode | it worked fine till last night |
| 03:15.22 | geo-rge | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXxf86vm <-- what package is this please :) |
| 03:15.25 | lastnode | now dhcp only picks up on windows |
| 03:15.26 | peterS | but mkisofs, which will soon be known as genisoimage (don't ask, long story) can produce these just fine |
| 03:15.39 | Kakarot_ | wow thats way beyond me lol |
| 03:15.48 | peterS | geo-rge: apt-cache search xf86vm dev |
| 03:16.08 | Kakarot_ | I think im going to have to pick what distrib I want to stick with soon and go linux full time so I can learn all this |
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| 03:16.15 | DimmuR | geo-rge, or apt-file search Xxf86vm |
| 03:16.33 | peterS | apt-file is annoying 'cause you have to download several megabytes of index periodically or it isn't useful |
| 03:16.52 | peterS | and when you first install apt-file it doesn't work until you do 'apt-file update', which is easy to forget to do |
| 03:16.56 | geo-rge | Kakarot_: suggestion... look around in the filesystem, get a basic idea what things are wyere |
| 03:17.07 | geo-rge | and learn the bash shell too |
| 03:17.20 | DimmuR | peterS, that's what is cron for :) |
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| 03:17.41 | DimmuR | and apt-file is just another way to solve problem and personaly i like it |
| 03:18.11 | |XO| | i need help...my /home file system might be corrupted...its getting mounted as read only...i work on a remote machine is there a way to do fsck through a rremote terminal? |
| 03:18.34 | peterS | |XO|: sure, make sure it really is mounted read-only and then just 'fsck -f' the device. |
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| 03:19.08 | |XO| | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.08 | |XO| | touch: cannot touch `test': Read-only file system |
| 03:19.17 | |XO| | should i go ahead with fsck -f? |
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| 03:20.02 | peterS | |XO|: sure. you know the device name, right? ('df .' will tell you) |
| 03:20.09 | |XO| | yea |
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| 03:20.15 | |XO| | what if im logged on? |
| 03:20.21 | Kakarot_ | alright I gots ta go play with my wii lol |
| 03:20.22 | |XO| | should i login as root directly? |
| 03:20.41 | peterS | it's read-only, you should be ok. but so as not to push your luck, 'cd /' so you aren't using $HOME |
| 03:20.56 | |XO| | k |
| 03:21.20 | DimmuR | |XO| you can always use su to get root - and for security reasons i think root should be disabled on ssh |
| 03:21.23 | geo-rge | if you're logged on, you're using /home/youy |
| 03:21.44 | geo-rge | if you're logged on as youy that is |
| 03:21.58 | |XO| | not if i'm logged on root directly.. |
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| 03:22.06 | geo-rge | right |
| 03:22.12 | goodshit | anyone know what is wrong with this cron. 0 * * * * /usr/local/bin/webalizer -c /usr/home/goodshit/stats/webazlier.conf >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 03:22.46 | |XO| | peterS its asking me if i should run fsck on a mounted filesystem? |
| 03:22.48 | |XO| | is it ok? |
| 03:22.49 | geo-rge | if you're logged in as root or in singleuser mode then good chance you're not logged in as another user |
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| 03:23.07 | geo-rge | what is the filesystem? |
| 03:23.16 | geo-rge | on /? on/home? |
| 03:23.24 | goodshit | in cron log it show this.. Dec 1 19:00:00 cp /usr/sbin/cron[87811]: (root) CMD (/usr/local/bin/webalizer -c /usr/home/goodshit/stats/webazlier.conf >/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 03:23.51 | goodshit | anyone?? |
| 03:24.00 | |XO| | geo-rge on /home |
| 03:24.03 | |XO| | /dev/sda8 ext3 186G 7.1G 169G 5% /home |
| 03:24.12 | buggarage | is mmap able to read in binary files ? like an image ? |
| 03:24.14 | DimmuR | goodshit, it doesn't do what you want or what ?:> |
| 03:24.22 | abrotman | goodshit: so what ? |
| 03:24.23 | |XO| | should i unmount or would it be ok to run fsck mounted? |
| 03:24.31 | geo-rge | |XO|: try unmounting /home |
| 03:24.44 | |XO| | ok its a remote terminal... |
| 03:24.48 | |XO| | if that doesnt work im screwed |
| 03:24.54 | geo-rge | (which might have the effect of altering it) |
| 03:25.13 | DimmuR | shouldn't he make backup before unmounting it? :> |
| 03:25.20 | geo-rge | you pays ya dough, you takes ya chances :) |
| 03:25.23 | peterS | buggarage: sure, why not? |
| 03:25.25 | geo-rge | he could do that |
| 03:25.33 | geo-rge | in fact it would be good |
| 03:25.46 | buggarage | peterS: cool |
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| 03:25.53 | peterS | buggarage: Unix system calls (like mmap) don't differentiate between "text" and "binary" files |
| 03:26.09 | geo-rge | so they're all binary... |
| 03:26.18 | DimmuR | it's always good and doesn't hurt :) |XO| try to make backup first |
| 03:26.21 | peterS | fopen only appears to do so because of the ANSI C standard, it actually ignores the binary flag |
| 03:26.30 | buggarage | peterS: that what you mean by unix is posix specs or ? |
| 03:27.05 | peterS | buggarage: I mean anything that looks and acts like Unix. Solaris, OS X, Linux, NetBSD, possibly even the BeOS |
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| 03:27.20 | geo-rge | unix files which are text files are already in the properform to appear as text files even if opened binary |
| 03:27.33 | rfrank | How do I get samba shares to mount and allow all users to read/write |
| 03:27.34 | pipeline | peterS: BeOS lacks sockets, multiuser, and any number of other things. It runs bash, and that's about it :P |
| 03:27.39 | rfrank | right now only root has privs |
| 03:27.49 | peterS | pipeline: yeah I haven't actually tried it |
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| 03:28.16 | abrotman | rfrank: read the samba docs |
| 03:28.25 | geo-rge | late windows have posix somethingorother in it |
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| 03:29.03 | peterS | geo-rge: Windows NT 3.51 had a POSIX layer but nobody ever actually used it, it was only there to fulfull the terms of US government contracts that specified a POSIX platform for certain purchases |
| 03:29.23 | geo-rge | if you make em now, don't wait till tomorrow to eat em! |
| 03:29.28 | peterS | geo-rge: everyone used the Win32 layer instead, for good reason - the POSIX layer was buggy and completely missed the point of having NT at all |
| 03:29.30 | pipeline | geo-rge, peterS : Windows NT 3.x had a POSIX subsystem at one time. It was a letter of the law but not the spirit thing. Modern Windows has SFU, which is a very complete UNIX implementation. |
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| 03:29.44 | pipeline | geo-rge, peterS : Even comes with GCC and a "CC" wrapper for MSVC. |
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| 03:29.56 | lta | Debian ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuules !!! |
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| 03:30.04 | peterS | pipeline: I always thought the "SFU" name was silly. they don't mean services for unix, they mean services for Unix administrators |
| 03:30.09 | geo-rge | nice. bye! |
| 03:30.09 | pipeline | geo-rge, peterS : SFU is bundled into 2003 R2, so now Windows is just as much arguably UNIX as OSX. And a much faster, more modern UNIX, at that. |
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| 03:30.53 | lastnode | how do i know which version of the bcm4318 my card should use? |
| 03:30.55 | peterS | NT is faster than Darwin? hmmm... they're both microkernel-based.... |
| 03:31.01 | rfrank | argh |
| 03:31.02 | pipeline | peterS: Heh, the original marketing angle was that you could use SFU to make Windows into a UNIX fileserver and NIS server *rolleyes* |
| 03:31.03 | rfrank | I can't find it anywehre |
| 03:31.20 | pipeline | peterS: Yes, but Darwin is a goddamned disaster pasted together with spit and bubblegum by very poorly paid engineers :P |
| 03:31.26 | pipeline | peterS: NT was actually well-designed :) |
| 03:31.31 | geo-rge | nis is ancient unmaintainable crap |
| 03:31.36 | peterS | pipeline: oh, I thought that was an afterthought, the main point being to provide a real administrative scripting environment that admins wouldn't hate to write scripts on |
| 03:31.45 | pipeline | geo-rge: The Windows implementation is even worse than usual. |
| 03:31.57 | peterS | and, errr ... Apple OS group employees are poorly paid? |
| 03:32.08 | geo-rge | I got pieces of nis going once |
| 03:32.14 | geo-rge | it was hard |
| 03:32.15 | pipeline | peterS: The original product, pre-microsoft, when it was an independent firm, was marketed as a source-compatibility thing. |
| 03:32.29 | peterS | pipeline: talking about mks? |
| 03:32.46 | pipeline | peterS: Dude, NeXTstep was a disgusting hack. All decisions were made based on what was cheap, not what was reasonable. Post-Apple buyout, it took the course of all Apple software: get it out the door, we'll worry about design mistakes later. |
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| 03:33.06 | pipeline | peterS: No, MKS was someone else's abortion. SFU was originally marketed as "Interix" by an independent firm. |
| 03:33.13 | peterS | oh, Interix, that was it |
| 03:33.18 | pipeline | peterS: Microsoft licensed MKS for the userland counterpart to their crippled NT 3.x thing. |
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| 03:34.04 | tvn | is there any tool for joining pdf file ? |
| 03:34.53 | peterS | geo-rge: I made a batch of muffins an hour ago, ate them already. believe me, if I do another batch, I won't wait until tomorrow. unless I can't finish 'em |
| 03:35.04 | odla | is gtkpod currently broken in testing? |
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| 03:35.16 | odla | i am getting a memory corruption (fast) error |
| 03:35.47 | peterS | these aren't difficult muffins either - egg + milk + magic powder + greased tin + oven => artificially flavored goodness |
| 03:35.57 | |XO| | peterS geo-rge how long does it take to umount a 200 gb drive? |
| 03:36.08 | abrotman | peterS: keep that up and you'll end up like karsten |
| 03:36.14 | peterS | |XO|: I'd expect it to take just a few seconds |
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| 03:36.33 | |XO| | what the command to open a new terminal? |
| 03:36.34 | peterS | abrotman: he actually knows how to cook, though, beyond stirring things up that came in a box |
| 03:36.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:37.01 | peterS | |XO|: working remotely? uh, run another ssh session I guess |
| 03:37.03 | abrotman | you've been to his place for dinner ? |
| 03:37.05 | secher | |XO|: bout half a second, just did it. |
| 03:37.08 | peterS | abrotman: no, I haven't |
| 03:37.29 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:37.36 | peterS | he's out in the bay area, I've never been north of santa barbara in california |
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| 03:38.53 | |XO| | peterS its not unmount :( |
| 03:39.15 | |XO| | im going to attempt to remove /home from fstab and try a reboot |
| 03:39.22 | peterS | |XO|: there's probably evidence in /var/log/syslog or the 'dmesg' command for what's going on |
| 03:39.28 | |XO| | will root still be able to login remotely.. |
| 03:39.32 | peterS | yes |
| 03:39.39 | peterS | ...assuming root can log in via ssh at all |
| 03:39.42 | |XO| | ok let me try that.... |
| 03:39.43 | peterS | which is something you can disable |
| 03:39.50 | |XO| | i did have that disabled |
| 03:39.58 | secher | root's home is /root unlike /home/everybodyelse |
| 03:39.59 | |XO| | but i turned it back on for this purpose |
| 03:40.01 | peterS | but even ordinary users can still log in if /home is not present |
| 03:40.13 | odla | how can i set up preferences or pinning so that i can tell dpkg to always use from testing regardless of whether or not there is a higher number ins debian-multimedia? |
| 03:40.14 | peterS | just not with ssh private keys, of course |
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| 03:42.05 | odla | http://pastebin.ca/264179 <- can someone look at that for me |
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| 03:43.32 | |XO| | peterS i rebooted :( |
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| 03:43.53 | |XO| | i made a backup of my fstab and have my system set to reboot in an hour if i cant login and delete teh cron :) |
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| 03:44.51 | gimp__ | i can't start x what the hell should i do first? |
| 03:45.12 | abrotman | look in the logs |
| 03:45.19 | gimp__ | which ones |
| 03:45.28 | |XO| | google the error message |
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| 03:45.42 | gimp__ | where's the x log? |
| 03:45.53 | secher | gimp__: /var/log is a place to start. |
| 03:46.07 | secher | /var/log/ |
| 03:46.51 | peterS | gimp__: /var/log/XFree86.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 03:47.03 | odla | i am sorry i got disconnected...did anyone take a look at that links2 -g error and see whether or not that framebuffer issue was my own fault? |
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| 03:47.57 | gimp__ | it says failed to initiate core devices, oh shit |
| 03:48.23 | |XO| | peterS on this is wierd i commented out the line in fstab to mount the home directory... |
| 03:48.23 | secher | Hey, here's a quick question. Is there an app that will parse error logs for particular phrases and check them against a frequency threshold to send an email if that threshold is crossed? |
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| 03:48.36 | peterS | secher: yes |
| 03:48.43 | secher | peterS: and it's called? |
| 03:48.48 | peterS | I don't remember (: |
| 03:49.09 | secher | peterS: <grin> Ok, fair enough. |
| 03:49.26 | peterS | there may not be an app that does exactly that, but there are log file watcher apps that look for unusual phrases (things that don't seem to be routine) and point them out |
| 03:49.49 | centrx | secher I think it's called errorlogparserappforparticularphrasesandtheirfrequency |
| 03:50.29 | peterS | secher: start with 'apt-cache search log file watch' - there are some promising hits in there such as tenshi |
| 03:52.03 | secher | I remember years ago I was working on vaxen and we had a utility that would send a page/email if error severity * frequency > n . was just an insanely useful bit of software. |
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| 03:52.29 | secher | there was more to it, but that's the gist. |
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| 03:53.01 | gimp__ | ok, so what does "failed to initialize core devices" mean? |
| 03:53.01 | secher | Kk, /now/ I"m going to get another beverage. |
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| 03:54.25 | abrotman | gimp__: your mouse is wonky usually |
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| 03:58.36 | |XO| | peterS my computer is refusing to reboot :( |
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| 04:00.18 | lastnode | when i use the .sys file that came with my driver, bcm43xx-fwcutter says it the md5 is bad, how can i force it to use it? |
| 04:00.36 | lastnode | ( i know it's the correct driver) |
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| 04:06.02 | |XO| | this is retarted... |
| 04:06.10 | jelly | lastnode: is this ndiswrapper? |
| 04:06.24 | |XO| | my system responds to everything but it not killing umount or any processes |
| 04:06.24 | lastnode | jelly, no, bcm43xx native |
| 04:06.24 | bintut | i'm running debian etch here on my dell inspiron 6400 laptop with an on-board intel 945 video chipset. how can i enable aiglx here? |
| 04:06.28 | |XO| | i cant get ti to reboot!! |
| 04:06.42 | jelly | lastnode: oh, it just uses the firmware from a .sys file? |
| 04:06.50 | lastnode | jelly, yes |
| 04:06.54 | lastnode | it extracts it |
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| 04:07.22 | mtomczak | Evening all! I could use some help; I recently upgraded from stable to testing (mapped the necessary repositories into sources.list, used aptitude to handle the upgrade). Now it won't recognize my ieee1394 drive. |
| 04:07.36 | jelly | lastnode: well maybe the fwcutter scripts doesn't recognize that version of the sys file, so it doesn't know which part of the file is the firmware. |
| 04:07.39 | mtomczak | Hot-plugging the drive does not appear to be generating messages of any sort. |
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| 04:08.04 | pab | Crackle is driving me nuts. I have Audigy 2 and I get sound...with crackle. Played with every setting ing kmix. Made sure that the onboard soud an power mgmnt are turned off in bios. Anything else can cause it? |
| 04:08.18 | lastnode | jelly, argh, i see. because im using wl_apsta.o and sometimes it just goes crazy on me, drops the connection every few seconds etc |
| 04:08.21 | lastnode | sometimes its fine |
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| 04:09.34 | Apollo | anyone use the "Olympic" 64 studio yet? Is it worth installing? Can it be used to play cd's mp3's dvd's etc? |
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| 04:09.46 | DanlaptopOFFICE | hi guys |
| 04:09.55 | DanlaptopOFFICE | i updated the kernel |
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| 04:10.02 | DanlaptopOFFICE | the cache is now showin as 2meg |
| 04:11.51 | bintut | anyone? |
| 04:12.11 | enouf | everyone? |
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| 04:12.50 | enouf | mtomczak: 1st .. did you do a dist-upgrade or just an upgrade? |
| 04:14.26 | enouf | mtomczak: 2nd .. have you loaded the apprpriate ieee1394 modules? .. what FS is the drive? also check dmesg for errors/initialization/detection |
| 04:14.38 | mtomczak | enouf: Umm... what's the difference between a dist-upgrade and an upgrade? |
| 04:14.48 | enouf | !dist-upgrade |
| 04:14.48 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 04:15.04 | mtomczak | I'll walk you through what I did: I went into my sources.list file, copied each line, and replaced stable with testing |
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| 04:15.33 | enouf | mtomczak: in short .. when moving up a full release .. use apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:15.59 | mtomczak | enouf: Okay. Hm... Is it too late to do that? |
| 04:16.11 | enouf | mtomczak: no .. go ahead |
| 04:16.18 | concept10 | Apollo, what is that? do you have a link? |
| 04:16.54 | enouf | mtomczak: oops may wanna use aptitude as you have been .. just sub apt-get with 'aptitude' |
| 04:18.23 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: seems you were "right" about the root partition size thing... it's dropped from 60% use to 58% (i was worred the other day that the small root partition that Guided Partitioning gave me would fill up too quick) |
| 04:19.25 | mtomczak | enouf: Ah. Perhaps this explains why after I pulled in testing, it seemed as though key components went missing! I was surprised when I had to manually pull in 'ssh'. |
| 04:19.34 | enouf | mtomczak: yep .. that'll do it |
| 04:19.44 | enouf | er that's the symptoms |
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| 04:22.07 | mtomczak | And aptitude tells me I ought to have 186MB that I didn't. Sounds like my missing pieces. |
| 04:22.10 | mtomczak | Thank you for the help! :) |
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| 04:29.02 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:29.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:29.17 | philip | abrotman, no life? |
| 04:29.32 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 04:29.58 | abrotman | philip: i've been fairly sick all week .. so no .. not this week :) |
| 04:30.01 | philip | abrotman, its okay I understand, but #debian is depressing |
| 04:30.25 | abrotman | i'm forcing myself to go xmas shopping tomorrow |
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| 04:37.44 | concept10 | Are Linux 2.6.xx features backported to 2.4.x? |
| 04:38.05 | enouf | mtomczak: how we doing? |
| 04:40.10 | abrotman | concept10: some of them are |
| 04:40.31 | pipeline | concept10: Not to the extent they are in RHEL 3 kernels. Use 2.6. |
| 04:40.42 | concept10 | abrotman, thanks. |
| 04:41.03 | concept10 | I asked because I see these debian based embedded distros using 2.4 |
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| 04:44.53 | odla | tarzeau, ping |
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| 04:58.29 | bintut | i'm running debian etch here on my dell inspiron 6400 laptop with an on-board intel 945 video chipset. how can i enable aiglx here? |
| 04:59.47 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 04:59.48 | dpkg | somebody said aiglx was an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 05:01.32 | jelly | bintut: aiglx is available in etch and unstable |
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| 05:01.43 | grendal_prime | hows things boys and girls? |
| 05:02.05 | abrotman | jelly: he asked how to enable it :) |
| 05:02.32 | bintut | jelly: it doesn't show whenever i tried doing an "apt-cache search aiglx" here.. :( |
| 05:02.32 | jelly | abrotman: it "just works" |
| 05:02.32 | abrotman | jelly: or perhaps how to check and see if it's working |
| 05:02.32 | odla | bintut, it's enabled by default i do believe |
| 05:02.32 | odla | it's in 7.1 |
| 05:02.32 | jelly | bintut: grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:02.34 | bintut | odla: what shall i do then? |
| 05:02.44 | odla | bintut, what do you want to do? |
| 05:02.49 | abrotman | (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 05:02.51 | grendal_prime | abrotman, you ever use kqemu? |
| 05:02.54 | jelly | bintut: it's already there. you might want to install compiz or something |
| 05:02.56 | abrotman | it's nonfree |
| 05:02.56 | bintut | # grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:02.56 | bintut | (==) AIGLX enabled |
| 05:02.57 | bintut | (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 05:02.57 | bintut | (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
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| 05:03.08 | odla | grendal_prime, kqemu is nice...it makes qemu go vroom vroomo |
| 05:03.17 | abrotman | yeah .. you'd need working DRI before you can get AIGLX :) |
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| 05:03.31 | bintut | sorry.. :( |
| 05:03.37 | abrotman | yeah .. you'd need working DRI before you can get AIGLX :) |
| 05:03.41 | jelly | odla: kqemu is a piece of dirty nonfree software ! </troll> |
| 05:03.47 | grendal_prime | ya, im totally amazed by it actually |
| 05:03.53 | bintut | odla: i want to have a 3d desktop here |
| 05:04.01 | grendal_prime | the it staff at work just thought it was a normal install. |
| 05:04.01 | odla | jelly, dude :/ |
| 05:04.13 | odla | !tell bintut about compiz |
| 05:04.23 | bintut | odla: compiz or beryl? |
| 05:04.24 | odla | !tell bintut about beryl |
| 05:04.44 | odla | bintut, compiz is in debian...there are unofficial debian packages for beryl on the beryl wiki website |
| 05:05.06 | odla | grendal_prime, it's too bad it isn't free :( |
| 05:05.10 | bintut | odla: which is better to use? compiz or beryl? |
| 05:05.13 | jelly | odla: exactly for debian, or for something like it? |
| 05:05.30 | odla | jelly, for debian |
| 05:05.35 | odla | jelly, not uboobie |
| 05:05.41 | jelly | bintut: you'll need to install libgl1-mesa-dri to get /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 05:05.43 | odla | bintut, beryl |
| 05:05.46 | odla | imo |
| 05:06.17 | bintut | jelly: installing it.. |
| 05:06.23 | bintut | odla: ok |
| 05:06.35 | jelly | bintut: make sure i915 kernel module is loaded too. |
| 05:06.51 | odla | jelly, beryl instructions http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php?title=Install/Debian |
| 05:06.55 | smacnay | why do my .Xresources settings for urxvt not take effect until I run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources after starting X? |
| 05:06.59 | odla | bintut, ^^^^ |
| 05:07.03 | odla | for you too if you wish |
| 05:07.14 | odla | i think it looks nice with gnome...not so much with kde |
| 05:07.15 | jelly | smacnay: that's the way xrdb works. |
| 05:07.37 | bintut | jelly: i915? how will i know? |
| 05:07.56 | smacnay | jelly: Does X not read settings from .Xresources regardless? |
| 05:08.02 | jelly | bintut: if it's mentioned in lsmod output. |
| 05:08.14 | jelly | smacnay: X does no such thing. |
| 05:09.02 | bintut | jelly: it's there, if i'm not mistaken |
| 05:09.03 | jelly | smacnay: libXt library, however... reads X resources from somewhere, and the resources are updated only with xrdb -merge |
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| 05:09.15 | bintut | # lsmod | grep 915 |
| 05:09.15 | bintut | i915 16384 1 |
| 05:09.15 | bintut | drm 61556 2 i915 |
| 05:09.19 | smacnay | jelly: so to see the bg, fg, and fonts I want in urxvt, I need to run xrdb every time X starts? |
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| 05:09.36 | jelly | smacnay: no... X should do it once on start. |
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| 05:10.06 | jelly | smacnay: but if they're changed afterwards, you need to run xrdb by hand. |
| 05:10.18 | Prudhvi | what is the latest kernel Version that comes with the Beta Etch Installer ? |
| 05:11.04 | jelly | smacnay: to confuse things more, rxvt authors decided to parse .Xdefaults by themselves when rxvt was run. This code might or might not have been carried over to rxvt-unicode |
| 05:11.53 | jelly | smacnay: also, XFree86 changed the file name from .Xdefaults to .Xresources at some point... I think both are actually still parsed. |
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| 05:12.21 | smacnay | jelly: hmm, doesn't seem to be happening right now. I ran xrdb from shell.... ah, thanks for that info. |
| 05:12.41 | grendal_prime | whats the word on etch? |
| 05:13.31 | lumpki | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
| 05:13.31 | lumpki | doh |
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| 05:14.49 | dondelelcaro | Xsession only loads .Xresources |
| 05:15.23 | bintut | i'll be back in a few minutes.. |
| 05:15.23 | dondelelcaro | you may have non-standard sessions which load Xdefaults, or you may load them in your own .Xsession, that's all that /etc/X11/Xsession does |
| 05:15.24 | jelly | bintut: I think you'll need some tweaks to xorg.conf, they're mentioned in /usr/share/doc/compiz-core/README.Debian for example |
| 05:15.48 | bintut | jelly: i'm installing beryl here.. |
| 05:15.57 | bintut | i'll be back for a while.. |
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| 05:23.07 | SJrX | How goood is Linux support for a intel core duo board? |
| 05:23.18 | xCrueLx | s.a |
| 05:23.22 | onetinsoldier | hmmm, good question |
| 05:23.38 | karsten | SJrX: Um. Should be fine. |
| 05:23.39 | onetinsoldier | that would be up to the kernel... what chipsetes it supports |
| 05:23.47 | onetinsoldier | chipsets* |
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| 05:30.35 | karsten | bb. |
| 05:32.33 | smhar | ok .. make-kpkg is finished using the kp mantra. when I saw it this morning, the screen was saying: error 255 and error 2, what is wrong? |
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| 05:35.57 | karsten | smhar: You'll need to give us a bit more to go on than that. |
| 05:36.11 | retard | could someone help please, how can i disable initramfs at boot time with grub?... |
| 05:36.23 | karsten | smhar: Otherwise, all I can tell you is that something exited with a sttatus 255. |
| 05:36.48 | karsten | retard: Um. Don't use one. Comment out your initrd boot sline. Of course, if your kernel needs an iitrd, you're sorta stuck. |
| 05:36.55 | karsten | s/iitrd/initrd/ |
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| 05:37.38 | retard | ic...i will try that...i hope it works...thanx... |
| 05:38.12 | karsten | !ywywtdt |
| 05:38.33 | retard | i cant boot my linux... :( |
| 05:38.36 | karsten | dpkg: ywywtdt is ... but why would you want to do that? |
| 05:38.40 | jelly | wayttd ? |
| 05:38.40 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 05:38.40 | retard | i wanted to play with initramfs |
| 05:38.54 | karsten | retard: Um. Nuking your initrd may or may not be the best way to fix that. |
| 05:38.58 | retard | but it hangs and i get Kernel panic - not syncing: bad gzip magic numbers |
| 05:39.12 | ice63 | hmm what kernel is in sid right now 2.6.18-2- or 2.6.19-2- ? |
| 05:39.14 | karsten | retard: If you want to just disable it for one boot, you can edit GRUB interactively (this does _not_ save changes to disk). |
| 05:39.29 | retard | yes...thats what i am doing... |
| 05:39.29 | karsten | ice63: Linux lnx-kself 2.6.17-2-686 here. |
| 05:39.34 | karsten | ice63: ... etch. |
| 05:39.39 | karsten | !tell ice63 about search |
| 05:39.40 | retard | i need to boot only once...to fix this... |
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| 05:39.53 | retard | and i am here asking about how?. :D |
| 05:39.58 | karsten | retard: Alternatively, boot rescue media. |
| 05:40.12 | jelly | retard: you do have an older working kernel still installed, right/ |
| 05:40.14 | karsten | retard: Install disk, tom's root boot, Knoppix, Damn Small Linux, etc. |
| 05:40.15 | retard | yeah...thought to use a live cd and chroot... |
| 05:40.21 | karsten | retard: Yep. |
| 05:40.30 | retard | jelly...i am a bad person...i removed them all... :( |
| 05:40.31 | karsten | retard: As far as I'm concerned, that's SOP. |
| 05:40.41 | jelly | retard: your nick suits you! :-) |
| 05:40.46 | retard | heh.. |
| 05:40.49 | karsten | jelly: Speak for yourself. |
| 05:41.09 | jelly | karsten: I always do. |
| 05:41.53 | onetinsoldier | karsten: so what was that 'one critical debian app everyone should have' that you installed? |
| 05:41.53 | jelly | grub is nice that way, if you have any working kernel you can boot it. |
| 05:42.15 | karsten | onetinsoldier: 'bb' |
| 05:42.19 | retard | yeah |
| 05:42.27 | karsten | onetinsoldier: Ok, maybe not absolutely critical. But kinda fun. |
| 05:42.32 | onetinsoldier | so that was the name of it eh.. ok. |
| 05:42.35 | jelly | karsten: the aa demo? |
| 05:42.44 | karsten | jelly: Yeah. |
| 05:43.18 | jelly | it's funny how it looks the best from a _graphical emulation_ of text console |
| 05:43.35 | karsten | jelly: Try framebuffer with sufficient resolution. |
| 05:43.45 | karsten | jelly: Tends to both improve performance and appearance. |
| 05:43.57 | jelly | karsten: and a decent fb driver. |
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| 05:44.22 | karsten | jelly: Natch. |
| 05:45.38 | karsten | Anyone got any idea WTF Altiris is, or how it works (networks / ports / configs, etc.). Proprietary commercial app. |
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| 05:50.52 | Piet | altiris seems to be another one-site-fits-all it infrastructure management solution. meant to give you a centralized overview on what all of your systems are up to. recently bought by dell. |
| 05:51.05 | karsten | Piet: So I'm told. |
| 05:51.27 | karsten | Piet: I'm also told that if I don't want to find my IP suddenly nonresponsive, I should ensure it's running in Debian, if needs be. |
| 05:52.15 | Piet | lies lies lies |
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| 05:52.31 | karsten | Piet: By a techie friend. |
| 05:52.52 | karsten | Piet: Apparantly ye rogue system rout warpath has been embarked upon. |
| 05:53.26 | karsten | Piet: ... for at least the next month or so. |
| 05:53.44 | Piet | sorry, my brain has been embarked upon this night |
| 05:54.00 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 05:54.08 | karsten | It's 3C in sunny, sunny california. |
| 05:54.29 | Piet | i envy you |
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| 05:55.08 | Piet | here it's too warm to be winter |
| 05:55.24 | karsten | Piet: Where's here? |
| 05:55.31 | Piet | but then, you're actually 'here' and not in sunny, sunny california, ritght? |
| 05:55.42 | karsten | Piet: ?? |
| 05:55.58 | Piet | just a few 100 miles from where you are |
| 05:56.13 | Piet | :) |
| 05:56.28 | Piet | sooo wrong |
| 05:56.31 | karsten | With low probabilities for offshore Pacific or LEO. |
| 05:56.50 | karsten | Piet: Well, that's most of what's w/in a few hundred miles of me. |
| 05:57.08 | Piet | oops, ok, i'm wrong then |
| 05:57.09 | karsten | erm. Mantle. |
| 05:57.23 | Piet | actually i just used 'miles' to mislead you, i'm in europe |
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| 05:57.43 | karsten | ... assuming that karsten is in fact a German, in German. |
| 05:57.51 | karsten | Ich bin Keine Berliner! |
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| 05:57.59 | Piet | yeah, sorry for that |
| 05:57.59 | karsten | erm. Kein. |
| 05:58.08 | Bart- | some one ever had some problem with figlet |
| 05:58.08 | onetinsoldier | karsten: ok, i watched bb in my fb console... pretty cool! i felt like i had entered the Matrix. |
| 05:58.15 | Bart- | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/aF9YGc11.html |
| 05:58.19 | karsten | onetinsoldier: Did you turn up sound? |
| 05:58.23 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 05:58.25 | Piet | your english is too good anway |
| 05:58.32 | karsten | Piet: :-) |
| 05:58.39 | onetinsoldier | Sourround Sound on my 5.1 speakers :) |
| 05:58.50 | karsten | Piet: Though there are some awfully fluent germans (in English) here. |
| 05:58.57 | karsten | onetinsoldier: It's a damned cool hack. |
| 05:59.03 | onetinsoldier | ya |
| 05:59.10 | Piet | but none of them ever said "blunders" i'm sure |
| 05:59.26 | karsten | onetinsoldier: I was setting up a computer lab one time, had a half-installed Debian box, still running Knoppix. Set up bb to loop while folks were touring. |
| 05:59.43 | karsten | Piet: Line from Princess Bride (the movie). |
| 06:00.08 | Piet | yet another thing i'm loosing on |
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| 06:00.50 | karsten | Piet: The full script is online. And it's a truly wonderful movie. |
| 06:01.06 | karsten | In a light, comic, vaguely Hitchhicker's Guide sort of sense. |
| 06:01.07 | onetinsoldier | karsten: roger. did they comment on it? |
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| 06:01.29 | karsten | ... in the sense that it's popular with a lot of tech folks and serves as a good cultural touchpoint. |
| 06:01.44 | Piet | i don't think i ever watched this one. i would have remembered this: http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0093779/6120_16_2.jpg |
| 06:01.48 | karsten | onetinsoldier: It confused them. Which was a sufficient accomplishment. |
| 06:01.55 | onetinsoldier | lol! |
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| 06:03.44 | Piet | karsten: anyway, /me should get some rest for the alcolhol flooded brains. i may try talking to again you when i'm sober. and sorry for that german stuff. |
| 06:04.52 | karsten | Machts nichts. |
| 06:04.59 | karsten | Prudhvi: Bis spater, ja? |
| 06:05.08 | karsten | erm. Piet. |
| 06:05.20 | Prudhvi | karsten, ? |
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| 06:05.31 | karsten | Prudhvi: tab-completion bug. |
| 06:05.36 | Prudhvi | lol |
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| 06:09.43 | yhvh | I just did a fresh install, I put it on my wd raptor but when I boot I just get a grub prompt. im booting into the rescue mode now |
| 06:10.28 | onetinsoldier | no listing of kernel to boot from? |
| 06:10.42 | yhvh | no just grub> |
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| 06:11.06 | yhvh | im trying to enter a shell on my /root but its taking a bit |
| 06:11.47 | yhvh | it appears to have phrozen |
| 06:11.53 | onetinsoldier | :( |
| 06:12.25 | onetinsoldier | what did you fresh install.. stable? testing? |
| 06:12.46 | yhvh | testing |
| 06:12.52 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 06:13.01 | onetinsoldier | that's what i'm running |
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| 06:14.10 | yhvh | yeah im on the rescue mode and it says its going to enter a shell but I dont see anything happenning |
| 06:14.25 | yhvh | im gonna try non gui |
| 06:14.26 | onetinsoldier | sounds like a bum deal |
| 06:14.35 | Quintin | Having trouble setting http authentication for a directory with .htaccess on apache2/debian |
| 06:14.40 | onetinsoldier | you mean non-gui installer? reinstall? |
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| 06:15.05 | yhvh | im in gui rescue mode on the netinst testing for amd64 |
| 06:15.15 | onetinsoldier | ah, i see |
| 06:15.17 | Quintin | SetEnvIf not allowed here is what the log says |
| 06:15.57 | Quintin | I have set AllowOverride AuthConfig , and put a .htaccess with stuff, etc. and made htpasswd file .. |
| 06:16.00 | Quintin | any ideas? |
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| 06:23.59 | lawnchair | when i do a ps on a box and it displays when a process started - the time is in the future |
| 06:24.07 | lawnchair | any idea why something like that would happen |
| 06:24.13 | lawnchair | (time hasnt been off on the box) |
| 06:24.22 | YhVh | grub is installing to hd0 and I think I need it to install to sd0 |
| 06:24.35 | zinx | lawnchair: quantum backflow |
| 06:24.40 | lawnchair | 'eh ? |
| 06:24.59 | YhVh | how do I install grub to my sata drive? |
| 06:25.18 | lawnchair | zinx, dont talk physics to me :) |
| 06:25.30 | onetinsoldier | lawnchair: do you also run ms windows on this machine? |
| 06:25.32 | YhVh | grub |
| 06:25.52 | lawnchair | anddreaz, yes i run 13 instances of ms windows on the machine |
| 06:25.59 | lawnchair | heh what kinda question is that =] |
| 06:26.10 | onetinsoldier | a legit one |
| 06:26.17 | lawnchair | then the answer is no |
| 06:26.23 | onetinsoldier | if it indults you... sorry! |
| 06:26.29 | lawnchair | it doenst insult me =] |
| 06:26.33 | lawnchair | i thought you were messin' w/ me |
| 06:26.37 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 06:26.38 | lawnchair | this is a production linux server |
| 06:26.41 | lawnchair | specifically mailserver |
| 06:26.42 | zinx | how far ahead is it? |
| 06:26.43 | onetinsoldier | cool |
| 06:26.51 | lawnchair | zinx, 20 mins |
| 06:26.57 | lawnchair | for quite afew procs :( |
| 06:27.04 | zinx | 20 minutes? |
| 06:27.05 | zinx | uhm |
| 06:27.07 | onetinsoldier | have you tried ntpdate? |
| 06:27.12 | zinx | that 'TIME' isn't the time it was started |
| 06:27.14 | lawnchair | my time is *not* off |
| 06:27.21 | zinx | the 'START' is the date it was started |
| 06:27.32 | onetinsoldier | hmm, well, that is interesting |
| 06:27.44 | lawnchair | uhm... no sorry zinx thatsn ot it |
| 06:27.47 | xingu | lawnchair: does ls -d /proc/${pid} 's view of reality match yours? |
| 06:27.49 | zinx | lawnchair: i suggest you 'man ps' and look for info on TIME |
| 06:28.37 | zinx | lawnchair: well then how the heck are you determining 20 minutes? |
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| 06:29.01 | zinx | lawnchair: it'll either be START which displays for the last 24 hours, and thus may be showing things 24 hours - 20 minutes old |
| 06:29.17 | zinx | lawnchair: or it's TIME, which isn't anything to do with when the process started |
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| 06:29.29 | amico | question |
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| 06:30.16 | amico | is there a way to observe the root console, if i have ssh root permision? without hooking up a monitor to the box? |
| 06:30.31 | Quintin | amico: why? |
| 06:30.37 | zinx | the 'root console'? |
| 06:30.45 | zinx | was there such a thing |
| 06:30.53 | anddreaz | lawnchair??? ;) |
| 06:30.57 | Quintin | amico: ask what you want to accomplish |
| 06:31.24 | lawnchair | ls -d /proc/pid shows current time |
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| 06:31.43 | amico | ok, lol like if i need to run fsck or something |
| 06:32.10 | amico | i have 4 boxes and everytime something goes wrong |
| 06:32.34 | zinx | you can hook up a serial console, or you can use a journalling filesystem |
| 06:32.35 | amico | i need to hook the one box that is giving me problems to my kvm |
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| 06:33.05 | xingu | amico: /etc/default/rcS:FSCKFIX=yes |
| 06:33.08 | lawnchair | owell, doesnt matter i guess |
| 06:33.13 | lawnchair | zinx, youre wrong btw |
| 06:33.20 | lawnchair | sorry to shatter your ego |
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| 06:33.28 | zinx | haha wtf |
| 06:33.56 | xingu | amico: but in general yes, read up on serial consoles and netconsole |
| 06:34.11 | amico | ok thanks |
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| 06:35.48 | jof | Have I gone insane, or has the iptables init script disappeared from unstable? |
| 06:36.09 | jof | Is there a special way of storing netfilter configs for later boots? |
| 06:36.22 | YhVh | ok I think im figuring this out |
| 06:36.31 | xingu | amico: if you're doing this as a longterm proposition it's a good idea to build a minimal stack that includes a terminal server which can also act as a network boot server and cable it up to your hosts, your switches, and your ups |
| 06:36.42 | dondelelcaro | jof: it's in the examples |
| 06:36.50 | zinx | jof: i think it'd been deprecated for a while |
| 06:37.08 | dondelelcaro | jof: it's been removed because it's deprecated, and you're really better off writing a specific script and calling it when you bring up the network devices. |
| 06:37.10 | jof | I don't really use netfilter all that much, so I guess I just missed the boat on that one |
| 06:37.10 | onetinsoldier | YhVh: that's good. :) it would suck to not be able to use a fresh install |
| 06:37.20 | jof | which examples? |
| 06:37.37 | YhVh | yeah it was just mixed up because ive got a drive on ide for data storage and my system drive on sata |
| 06:37.52 | amico | xingu, did you get my private msg? |
| 06:37.56 | YhVh | nothing a little menu.lst juggling cant handle |
| 06:38.07 | amico | i dint want to paste 10 lines in the channel |
| 06:38.08 | karsten | Feck. |
| 06:38.20 | dondelelcaro | jof: /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples/ |
| 06:38.33 | xingu | amico: yes; please don't do that; IO errors could be either bung media /or/ bung filesystem, refine the search space by checking SMART error counters/ self test results |
| 06:39.46 | amico | Xingu, when i did postfix check thats what i got.. |
| 06:39.46 | jof | dondelelcaro: I have no examples/ :( |
| 06:41.54 | onetinsoldier | jof: do you run X? |
| 06:42.56 | jof | yep |
| 06:43.20 | onetinsoldier | jof: do you want something that will set up the firewall for you? |
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| 06:43.48 | onetinsoldier | kinda like automagically i guess i would say |
| 06:44.02 | amico | Xingu, is there a fsck command i can run? |
| 06:44.13 | amico | that might self fix it? |
| 06:44.14 | jof | onetinsoldier: no, I've got the rules I want. I just need to get setup at boottime |
| 06:44.23 | onetinsoldier | jof: ahh, i see |
| 06:44.32 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 06:44.56 | xingu | amico: none I would advise remotely; console, single user mode, yes; the risk/ reward equation doesn't favour trying anything trickier. |
| 06:45.45 | amico | ok, thanks xingu.... |
| 06:45.52 | xingu | ... so if you don't trust your host's ip stack nor your host's software, why would you trust your host's auto-packet-filter-baker-de-jour? |
| 06:46.08 | xingu | responsibility, absolve me |
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| 06:54.12 | hackel_ | Can anyone here tell me how to change the locale for a particular user? |
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| 06:55.07 | bintut | tsk! i got several problems with my dell inspiron 6400 laptop.. the right video resolution, NetworkManager, AIGLX, etc.. |
| 06:55.07 | JeffH | Is the plan to still to release etch this month? |
| 06:55.19 | bintut | # lspci | grep VGA |
| 06:55.19 | bintut | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 06:55.56 | xingu | JeffH: when they said "before christmas" they didn't nominate a year |
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| 06:56.30 | JeffH | haha |
| 06:56.39 | luka | hi, if I download a xxxxxxxxdeb.sig file how can I find who signed this file? If I use gpg --verify it needs to have Public key of signatured but I don't know where is public-key of signatured! |
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| 06:57.00 | JeffH | as much as I like Debian the release cycle is excrutiatingly slow. |
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| 06:57.18 | xingu | good, fast, cheap - choose two |
| 06:57.53 | JeffH | well.. since debian is free... I'll take good and fast for 200 Alex. |
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| 06:59.16 | xingu | good luck finding a way to shed the commercial costs of time constrained release management |
| 06:59.38 | hackel_ | Actually the Debian release cycle is very fast, as long as you run Unstable. While I was forced to use Redhat for a while (or even on Ubuntu), I feel frustrated that it takes SO long to get the latest software packaged. |
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| 07:01.10 | ArtVandalae | Maybe consider Gentoo if you want up-to-date software, or maybe even Arch Linux |
| 07:01.27 | odla | what about sid? |
| 07:01.57 | xingu | see how this works? now you have fast and cheap |
| 07:02.32 | bintut | i already followed this howto ==> http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/XOrg.html |
| 07:02.46 | bintut | but goes back to 1024x768 resolution.. :( |
| 07:03.13 | bintut | anybody can help me here? i'm using a dell inspiron 6400 laptop using a 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 07:03.58 | YhVh | so what does the kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp_2.6.17+2_amd64 package do? I installed it and nothing appears to have happened, uname -a says: |
| 07:04.25 | YhVh | Linux core2duo 2.6.17-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 17:49:33 CEST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:04.40 | xingu | YhVh: it's a transition package; apt-cache show ... |
| 07:04.52 | YhVh | please explain what a "transition package" means |
| 07:05.18 | xingu | YhVh: you probably want linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 07:05.35 | YhVh | I think I had that installed already |
| 07:06.25 | YhVh | yeah that doesn't appear to have a targeted emt64t package |
| 07:06.27 | xingu | YhVh: a transitional package only exists to assist migration when a package has been deprecated; it's a bodyless package that just exists to create a dependancy to the replacing package. |
| 07:06.43 | xingu | YhVh: amd64 packages support em64t too |
| 07:07.03 | YhVh | hm = it autodetects when it installs? |
| 07:07.13 | xingu | YhVh: s/installs/boots/ |
| 07:07.23 | JeffH | Does Linux run well on dual core cpus? |
| 07:07.26 | xingu | YhVh: happened in late 2.6.17 timeframe from memory |
| 07:07.28 | YhVh | yes |
| 07:07.40 | YhVh | ok, whew |
| 07:07.45 | xingu | JeffH: yep, works like it says on the tin |
| 07:08.14 | JeffH | hmm |
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| 07:08.33 | YhVh | yeah I had that already installed |
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| 07:09.27 | YhVh | may I please have the bot popup for X and Gnome setups? |
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| 07:13.17 | Skiver | !gnome |
| 07:13.17 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
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| 07:15.24 | bintut | hello all... |
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| 07:16.27 | bintut | i need help here on my resolution.. i want to set my resolution to 1680x1050 but it doesn't work here.. i already installed the 915resolution tool using apt-get but still doesn't work at all.. |
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| 07:17.19 | insmod | bintut: just edit xf86config if you use it or xorg if not |
| 07:17.29 | Anarka | bintut have you configured that res in xorg.conf ? |
| 07:17.37 | Skiver | bintut. does your monitor support that ? |
| 07:17.59 | Anarka | yeah... thats a nice res |
| 07:18.02 | xingu | 945gm is a relatively new (pcie) chipset |
| 07:18.58 | bintut | insmod, Anarka and Skiver: my laptop is a dell inspiron 6400 and the output of my lspci command for my VGA is: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 07:19.55 | Anarka | ok... are you using the respective driver ? have you setup your monitor with the right settings ? have you set that res in xorg.conf ? |
| 07:20.08 | bintut | i also followed this site ==> http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/XOrg.html |
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| 07:20.58 | Anarka | thats a pretty simples howto |
| 07:21.02 | Anarka | but ok |
| 07:21.08 | Anarka | !paste |
| 07:21.08 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 07:21.18 | Anarka | paste you xorg.conf in that site |
| 07:21.33 | bintut | Anarkal, insmod, Skiver and xingu: my /etc/X11/xorg.conf is at http://paste.debian.net/17653 |
| 07:21.46 | bintut | Anarkal, insmod, Skiver and xingu: i'm running debian etch by the way |
| 07:21.50 | xingu | changelog of 915resolution says 945gm support added v0.5.1 on 20060125 |
| 07:22.11 | xingu | bintut: you need to make 915resolution happy first before X will care. |
| 07:22.28 | xingu | not that I have one of these, this is recieved wisdom from a bit of idle google bashing. |
| 07:23.35 | insmod | bintut: looks wrong but i am an xfconfig guy -- but xorg should be the same |
| 07:24.14 | Anarka | have you edited /etc/default/915resolution ? |
| 07:24.51 | bintut | xingu: # dpkg -l | grep 915 |
| 07:24.51 | bintut | ii 915resolution 0.5.2-7 resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset |
| 07:25.15 | bintut | insmod: what do you mean wrong? what line? |
| 07:25.23 | bintut | Anarka: yes |
| 07:25.33 | Anarka | and you restarted it ? |
| 07:25.43 | Skiver | bintut: how about another paste of /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?? |
| 07:25.51 | Anarka | /etc/init.d/915resolution restart |
| 07:26.19 | Anarka | or what he does if you have wajig |
| 07:26.39 | Anarka | then you would be the second person using wajig :P |
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| 07:27.03 | smhar | make-kpkg is finished using the kp mantra. when I saw it this morning, the screen was saying: error 255 and error 2, what is wrong? |
| 07:27.10 | smhar | from what is remaining on the screen I can see that: dpkg-gencontrol: error, Illegal package name, linux-image-2.6.17-farabi_custom |
| 07:27.14 | bintut | Anarka: yes, i've been restarted it.. |
| 07:27.29 | xingu | smacnay: --revision= lex is invalid |
| 07:27.31 | xingu | urp |
| 07:27.32 | bintut | Anarkal, insmod, Skiver and xingu: kindly check out http://paste.debian.net/17654 |
| 07:27.43 | Anarka | bintut then follow Skiver advise and paste the x log |
| 07:27.43 | xingu | smhar: --revision= lex is invalid |
| 07:27.44 | xingu | smhar: lose the _ |
| 07:28.08 | Anarka | bintut res should be 32 not 52 |
| 07:28.14 | smhar | xingu: where? |
| 07:28.18 | insmod | bintut: Modes "1680x1050" "1280x800" and i don't like Option "ForceBIOS" "1024x768=1680x1050" |
| 07:28.29 | Anarka | bintut mode i mean |
| 07:28.31 | xingu | smhar: you may need to clean your source tree carefully too, some of that stuff winds up in ...linux/debian/* and will choke at next build attempt |
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| 07:28.49 | xingu | smhar: ... wherever you have set "farabi_custom" you need to lose the _ |
| 07:28.50 | insmod | bintut: add "1680x1050" |
| 07:29.05 | bintut | Anarkal, insmod, Skiver and xingu: kindly check my Xorg.0.log at http://paste.debian.net/17655 |
| 07:29.23 | smhar | xingu: ok.. I will start over how to clean everything and start fresh? |
| 07:29.35 | Anarka | bintut mode in /etc/default/915resolution should be 32 not 52 |
| 07:29.52 | xingu | smhar: remove and re-unpack the source tree if this is cheap enough IO-wise for you |
| 07:30.18 | xingu | smhar: if not, a prune (rm) of ...linux/debian may suffice along with make mrproper |
| 07:30.55 | bintut | Anarka: the MODE 52 represents ==> Mode 52 : 1680x1050, 32 bits/pixel |
| 07:31.16 | smhar | xingu: no problem.. I can do either, and what if I just want to remove the _ and check? where to go to remove that? |
| 07:31.18 | xingu | bintut: also, it looks like you can do better than the i810 driver, I'm getting a few hits for a GMA-specific driver |
| 07:31.21 | Anarka | http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/XOrg.html but here he uses 32 |
| 07:31.36 | xingu | smhar: either your command line --revision= or /etc/kernel-pkg.conf at a guess |
| 07:32.28 | smhar | thanks xingu |
| 07:32.33 | smhar | bye for now |
| 07:32.42 | bintut | insmod: where will i add the "1680x1050" you mean? |
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| 07:33.36 | insmod | bintut: add Modes "1680x1050" "1280x800" |
| 07:34.08 | bintut | insmod: i got that already in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:34.24 | bintut | ok, i'll try.. i'll reboot my laptop.. |
| 07:34.25 | bintut | brb |
| 07:34.39 | ak70 | in sid, 'apt-get upgrade' gives me segmentation fault, does anyone have the same problem? |
| 07:35.30 | insmod | bintut: don't reboot just reload X |
| 07:35.42 | Skiver | he's off. |
| 07:35.56 | Skiver | that's the windows' poison. |
| 07:37.13 | Skiver | it looks like the max allocated memory of his display card is not able to support that res mode. |
| 07:37.55 | Anarka | btw... anyone has actual experinece with recent ati cards in linux ? |
| 07:37.59 | insmod | Skiver: i never used windows |
| 07:38.07 | Anarka | by actual not just repeating ati sucks ;) |
| 07:38.20 | insmod | Anarka: i have |
| 07:38.29 | insmod | Anarka: but ya they do |
| 07:38.29 | Anarka | insmod and ? |
| 07:38.44 | Anarka | the drivers still suck ? |
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| 07:39.03 | Anarka | i was looking at a x1950 in a very nice deal |
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| 07:39.28 | insmod | Anarka: and what -- i set one up with 2 mon - another with vid etc -- but i am an nvidia fan |
| 07:40.18 | insmod | Anarka: the propriatary drivers are ok but no a match for nvidia |
| 07:40.22 | Skiver | Anarka : what's the deal |
| 07:41.04 | Anarka | its just a package with core duo E6600 and the rest of the pc... looks nice but includes a ati 1950 |
| 07:41.11 | insmod | Anarka: if ati has the driver and there is no big video or game then grab it -- great deal |
| 07:41.40 | Anarka | ill find the url |
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| 07:41.53 | eduhat | hey guys! |
| 07:42.25 | Anarka | http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.asp?sku=323787 this one |
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| 07:43.07 | Skiver | Anarka, oh i can't read that..what's the price roughly in USD ? |
| 07:43.21 | Anarka | its around 1100 euros |
| 07:43.42 | SpeedyG | i'd skip the samsung disk |
| 07:43.50 | Anarka | you just need to read the components list :) |
| 07:43.52 | SpeedyG | i've had nothing but trouble with samsungs |
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| 07:44.09 | bintut | nada! :( |
| 07:44.17 | Anarka | SpeedyG usually no matter what brand of hd youll always find someone that had a porob with them |
| 07:44.18 | Skiver | bintut, i have an idea here. |
| 07:44.19 | bintut | still doesn't work! :( |
| 07:44.26 | bintut | Skiver: what's that? |
| 07:44.39 | SpeedyG | Anarka: also one person with 5 disks with equal problems? |
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| 07:44.50 | SpeedyG | 5 of 5 disks died ticking and screeching |
| 07:44.50 | Anarka | bad batch :) |
| 07:44.58 | SpeedyG | 5 different disks |
| 07:45.12 | Skiver | bintut, notice your xorg.conf, there isn't any HorizSync and VertRefresh set |
| 07:45.12 | Anarka | ok thats worst ;) |
| 07:45.22 | SpeedyG | and all similar problems |
| 07:45.43 | SpeedyG | i'd go for ST or WD |
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| 07:45.44 | xingu | http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=N&Inst=Yes&ProductID=2301&DwnldID=9722&strOSs=39&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng |
| 07:45.52 | Anarka | theres a lot in that package that i would change but... its still a nice package |
| 07:45.56 | bintut | Skiver: i also noticed that.. what's the right HorizSync and VertRef for the 1680x1050 resolution? |
| 07:46.16 | Skiver | bintut, those are required if you want higher res on your monitor... it should be set under "monitor" section. |
| 07:46.17 | xingu | dunno if there's a debianised package for it, but I bet that supports GL acceleration of a sort, while the i810 driver won't |
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| 07:46.59 | Skiver | bintut, you have to find that out for your monitor, doesn't matter which res you're choosing, it's the laptop's screen spec |
| 07:47.20 | bintut | Skiver: yeah. i'm searching.. |
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| 07:47.49 | Anarka | you can check this package also xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting |
| 07:47.59 | threw | hi all ! |
| 07:48.07 | xingu | something 945gm based ought to support ddc reasonably sanely |
| 07:48.13 | Skiver | bintut, IIRC, if using dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it will prompt you the value pre-selected by system. |
| 07:48.19 | Skiver | those will work fine. |
| 07:48.31 | bintut | Skiver: ok.. i'll do that one.. |
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| 07:48.54 | Anarka | but checking the real spec values of the lcd wouldnt hurt |
| 07:49.04 | Skiver | bintut: can i have your laptop's model ? |
| 07:49.18 | bintut | Skiver: Dell Inspiron 6400 |
| 07:49.37 | bintut | Skiver: i don't if my laptop is the same at http://home.concepts.nl/~bergmans/linux/install_linux.html |
| 07:51.30 | Anarka | he uses 16 bit... |
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| 07:51.32 | concept10 | Something I was always curious about: why do the docs in /usr/share/docs always gzipped? |
| 07:51.44 | Anarka | save space ? |
| 07:52.01 | Anarka | zless /usr/share/docs/blabla/blabla.gz |
| 07:52.11 | concept10 | I know that much but who wants to unzip docs when you have to read em |
| 07:52.18 | Anarka | use zless |
| 07:52.21 | Anarka | zcat |
| 07:52.25 | Anarka | zsomething :) |
| 07:53.13 | Quintin | couldn't a livecd using remote X login replace all this ltsp stuff? :P |
| 07:53.48 | xingu | bintut: can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 07:54.07 | concept10 | Anarka, thanks for that, with that command, it makes sense now. |
| 07:54.13 | Anarka | ;) |
| 07:54.21 | xingu | Quintin: the target base doesn't necessarily have torito support in bios |
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| 07:54.49 | concept10 | I learn something new everyday (just about) |
| 07:55.18 | bintut | Skiver, xingu, Anarka: kindly check the hardware specs of my laptop at http://paste.debian.net/17656 |
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| 07:55.48 | liable | concept10: another nice console browser is mc |
| 07:56.15 | concept10 | liable, midnight commander? |
| 07:56.32 | bintut | xingu: you can check out the Xorg.0.log at http://paste.debian.net/17657 |
| 07:56.33 | liable | yeah |
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| 07:57.08 | Skiver | bintut: HorizSync 28-50 |
| 07:57.08 | Skiver | VertRefresh 43-75 |
| 07:57.18 | Skiver | set these 2 lines. |
| 07:57.27 | xingu | liable: fyi updating rc?.d for ipw3945d to S38 (from S39) worked perfectly at next boot - all autoplumbed and autoconfigured now |
| 07:57.28 | Skiver | the restart X. |
| 07:57.42 | Skiver | bintut: do not REBOOT, just restart X |
| 07:57.48 | concept10 | liable, thanks, looks like gnu mc has alot of features |
| 07:58.03 | liable | xingu: sweet, file that bug! :) |
| 07:58.45 | liable | concept10: my favourate browser pretty much, i even use it mostly when in x from a xterm |
| 07:58.49 | xingu | bintut: tada - (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name) |
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| 07:59.20 | netdaemon | wonderful |
| 07:59.36 | concept10 | liable, I forgot all about that. I almost hate using the mouse when I am in linux |
| 08:00.01 | netdaemon | =O |
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| 08:00.50 | netdaemon | can an I810 even get that high of a resolution/ |
| 08:00.52 | netdaemon | ?* |
| 08:01.24 | jelly | netdaemon: that driver is used for all recent Intel chipsets. |
| 08:01.31 | xingu | netdaemon: i945gm |
| 08:01.42 | concept10 | liable, my best computer experience was my c=64, I never really liked using mice, I even try to stay away from the mouse in windoze |
| 08:01.45 | xingu | the other really cool thing - check the mode dump for 0x52 |
| 08:01.51 | xingu | it's all the 0's |
| 08:02.33 | xingu | line 1048 bintut's paste |
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| 08:02.51 | bintut | xingu, Skiver and Anarka: i'll just restart my X.. brb |
| 08:03.57 | netdaemon | gahhh, can't wait till iceweasel... |
| 08:04.03 | netdaemon | must have @_@ |
| 08:04.06 | Skiver | ? |
| 08:04.09 | amico | is there a way to vnc into a system if it's not running X? |
| 08:04.15 | Skiver | I am using that already. |
| 08:04.19 | liable | concept10: i dont mind using mouse as i have a trackpoint so its pretty handy |
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| 08:04.24 | netdaemon | Skiver: o_O |
| 08:04.27 | netdaemon | compiled? |
| 08:04.41 | amico | or emulate a open tty connection? |
| 08:04.42 | Anarka | but the last time i opened iceweasel it still used firefox artwork |
| 08:04.48 | Skiver | it's in the pool, netdaemon |
| 08:04.57 | Anarka | so... only the name had changed |
| 08:04.59 | netdaemon | sweet! |
| 08:05.01 | netdaemon | finaly! |
| 08:05.32 | netdaemon | i do not see such a thing in the pool o_O |
| 08:05.33 | Skiver | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061024 Iceweasel/2.0 (Debian-2.0+dfsg-1) |
| 08:05.35 | concept10 | liable, with the red dot on it? |
| 08:06.00 | liable | concept10: ya, stinkpad |
| 08:06.02 | Skiver | netdaemon, i'm on sid. |
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| 08:06.19 | netdaemon | Skiver: ah that explains it |
| 08:06.22 | netdaemon | i'm on etch |
| 08:06.26 | xingu | liable: that's no pointing device, that's a nipple |
| 08:06.31 | concept10 | liable, I thought you meant this: http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/user/tp/tpmouse.html |
| 08:06.31 | Anarka | firefox - Transition package for iceweasel rename |
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| 08:06.39 | concept10 | thats the worst thing i have ever seen |
| 08:06.42 | liable | xingu: clit |
| 08:06.58 | liable | concept10: the laptop one |
| 08:07.05 | concept10 | oh okay |
| 08:07.08 | netdaemon | Anarka: fairly stable? |
| 08:07.19 | yang | dpkg says "etch key is apt-get install debian-archive-keyring"....but on etch there is an error NO_PUBKEY 946.... |
| 08:07.19 | dpkg | yang: okay |
| 08:07.24 | Anarka | i dont use it... but should be as stable as FF |
| 08:07.42 | netdaemon | hrm |
| 08:07.44 | xingu | netdaemon: stable enough for my trivial workload. :) |
| 08:07.47 | Anarka | :P |
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| 08:07.56 | netdaemon | perhaps i shall fetch it when i get back to school sunday |
| 08:07.58 | liable | dpkg: forget says "etch |
| 08:07.58 | dpkg | liable: i didn't have anything called 'says "etch' to forget |
| 08:08.04 | bkudria | how do i rename a fat volume? |
| 08:08.18 | xingu | that's a very good question |
| 08:08.24 | Skiver | it's firefox netdaemon, just the name being changed. |
| 08:08.44 | Skiver | rename a FAT volume ? |
| 08:08.50 | bkudria | Skiver: yeah |
| 08:09.08 | netdaemon | Skiver: there is a few other things they added though :P |
| 08:09.10 | bkudria | Skiver: it shows up with the same name on windows, linux, and mac os x |
| 08:09.13 | xingu | bkudria: is there something in dosfstools or mtools? |
| 08:09.17 | bkudria | Skiver: i'd like to rename it |
| 08:09.30 | netdaemon | its on their main page |
| 08:09.42 | jelly | mlabel |
| 08:09.44 | bkudria | xingu: i didn't look, but i was searching for fat utils, not dos utils. i'll take a look, thanks! |
| 08:10.19 | Skiver | netdaemon, all i can say it's rock solid on sid. |
| 08:10.23 | xingu | bkudria: jelly's on the money there, mlabel from what I guess is mtools sounds the go |
| 08:10.39 | netdaemon | i'd run sid but i don't want this laptop blowing up on me |
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| 08:10.45 | bintut | nada! :( |
| 08:10.58 | Anarka | sid doesnt blow up on you! |
| 08:10.59 | bkudria | xingu: you rock! |
| 08:11.01 | Anarka | you let it blow up |
| 08:11.06 | jelly | bintut: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:11.17 | xingu | bintut: see in your Xorg output you pasted before, line ~1048 or so - your video mode for 52 is alllll zeros |
| 08:11.18 | netdaemon | Anarka: rofl |
| 08:11.21 | bkudria | xingu: (i actually run kubuntu, but no one in #ubuntu or #kubuntu knew anything :) ) |
| 08:11.35 | liable | ohnos |
| 08:11.35 | Skiver | ubuntu............ |
| 08:11.44 | jelly | bkudria: consider yourself frowned upon |
| 08:11.48 | xingu | bintut: which means b0rkenness to me; you need to fake a modeline and for that you need to know what the panel's real capabilities are |
| 08:11.52 | Anarka | netdaemon ive been using sid since potato... same install |
| 08:11.53 | netdaemon | .... |
| 08:11.53 | netdaemon | evil |
| 08:12.00 | yang | Hey is 8722e71e a valid etch key? |
| 08:12.19 | bintut | jelly: to use 1680x1050 resolution for my dell inspiron 6400 laptop |
| 08:12.21 | netdaemon | Anarka: interesting indeed |
| 08:12.35 | netdaemon | few times i tried it, it worked fine, but i'd rather not risk it on this box |
| 08:12.42 | jelly | bintut: tried running 915resolution yet? |
| 08:12.45 | wols_ | Anarka: but sid breaks your toys. often |
| 08:12.48 | Anarka | apt-listbugs is your friend... looking at what the package manager will do on a upgrade also |
| 08:13.03 | xingu | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/17654 <-- |
| 08:13.05 | Skiver | wols_: what toys ? |
| 08:13.11 | bintut | xingu, jelly, Skiver and Anarka: my new /etc/X11/xorg.conf that was just generated by the dpkg-reconfigure tool is at http://paste.debian.net/17659 |
| 08:13.20 | Anarka | sa<ying aptitude/apt-get removed half my system isnt a valid excuse |
| 08:13.28 | Anarka | both of them show what tyhey will do |
| 08:13.30 | bintut | jelly: yes, i'm using it here but with no luck |
| 08:13.34 | ArtVandalae | Does anyone know if the new Debian installer allows me to install Sid? I remember in old days, there was an option between testing and unstable? |
| 08:13.57 | Skiver | bintut: how about a new xorg log. |
| 08:13.57 | netdaemon | you have to dist upgrade to Sid |
| 08:14.03 | wols_ | ArtVandalae: you nevre install sid directly |
| 08:14.05 | Anarka | the old way was setting the mirro to sid |
| 08:14.08 | Anarka | i think |
| 08:14.10 | jelly | bintut: oh well... maybe, just maybe, the new intel driver with changing-video-modes-directly-(without-bios) could help. |
| 08:14.17 | wols_ | Anarka: it's not just the old way |
| 08:14.32 | Anarka | havent tried the new installer |
| 08:14.35 | jelly | bintut: xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting |
| 08:14.39 | xingu | bintut: are you definitely sure you have a 1680x1050 panel? |
| 08:14.40 | Anarka | or the previous :P |
| 08:14.53 | xingu | bintut: because if you do, your video bios is bust. |
| 08:14.59 | bkudria | xingu: i wonder why mtools just can't take a device in /dev as an argument. grrr |
| 08:15.05 | bintut | xingu: my new /var/log/Xorg.0.log file is at http://paste.debian.net/17660 |
| 08:15.18 | bintut | Skiver: my new /var/log/Xorg.0.log file is at http://paste.debian.net/17660 |
| 08:15.24 | jelly | xingu: bios is routinely broken on these cards. |
| 08:15.32 | xingu | why am I not surprised |
| 08:15.37 | bintut | jelly: is it apt-get'able? |
| 08:15.41 | xingu | it builds! it boots! ship it! |
| 08:16.03 | jelly | bintut: sure, only in unstabel though |
| 08:16.29 | concept10 | Anyone remember the name of the stupid holiday that they used to celebrate on Seinfelg? |
| 08:16.29 | Skiver | he's on etch. |
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| 08:16.34 | xingu | # |
| 08:16.34 | xingu | (II) I810(0): 15.4 UltraSharpTM WSXGA+ (1680x1050) display with TrueLifeTM: Using vrefresh range of 50.00-60.00 Hz |
| 08:16.34 | xingu | # |
| 08:16.34 | xingu | (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1680x1050" (no mode of this name) |
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| 08:16.46 | xingu | whoops. |
| 08:16.49 | Skiver | same old crap, mode 52 is all zeroes. |
| 08:16.51 | jelly | my thinkpad is one of the rare models that actually has the 1280x800 res. in bios... I don't need 915resolution. |
| 08:17.16 | xingu | #2011/#2012 - nice bit of internal contradiction going on there |
| 08:17.23 | Anarka | but he wants higher res than that |
| 08:17.54 | bintut | xingu: how i will really know? i just checked its specs at google and tells its supports upto 1680x1050 |
| 08:18.00 | yang | Hey is 8722e71e a valid etch gpg key? |
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| 08:18.14 | bintut | jelly: i'm using etch here |
| 08:18.31 | jelly | bintut: saaay, what's this "(II) I810(0): Size of device LFP (local flat panel) is 1280 x 800" here? |
| 08:18.33 | Skiver | !key 8722e71e |
| 08:18.55 | Decepticon | qustion about wine in debian: is 0.0.20050310-1 the version you get from synaptic? |
| 08:18.56 | xingu | jelly: yeah I was just getting to that, check out the vrefresh too |
| 08:19.04 | jelly | bintut: like xingu said, are you positive your LCD is 1680x1050? |
| 08:19.13 | bintut | the output of my lshw command is at http://paste.debian.net/17656 |
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| 08:19.18 | Skiver | Decepticon, what you do with wine ? |
| 08:19.21 | xingu | bintut: I think you've been sold a pup, I don't think your panel has the bandwidth you think it has |
| 08:19.27 | bintut | jelly: not sure though.. :( |
| 08:19.31 | Decepticon | i want to run utorrent properly Skiver. that version seems to be causing problems |
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| 08:19.43 | bintut | xingu: can you help me identify it? |
| 08:19.44 | Decepticon | what version of wine do i need to compile for it to work |
| 08:19.46 | jelly | bintut: how much did the lappy cost? :-) |
| 08:20.00 | xingu | bintut: "15.4 UltraSharpTM WSXGA+ (1680x1050) display with TrueLifeTM" |
| 08:20.09 | ArtVandalae | Decepticon, there's a lot of good Linux BT clients out there, any reason why you use uTorrent? |
| 08:20.21 | Decepticon | ArtVandalae, I'm familiar with it |
| 08:21.27 | Decepticon | afaik, the version of wine i get from apt, 0.0.20050310-1, is not recent enough to run u |
| 08:21.31 | Decepticon | *utorrent |
| 08:21.35 | xingu | bintut: just a stray question, do you have an external monitor plugged in at the moment? |
| 08:22.22 | Skiver | Decepticon, what does "dkpg -l wine" say |
| 08:22.31 | Decepticon | yes, that versoin: 0.0.20050310-1 |
| 08:22.45 | bintut | xingu: nope. this is just the laptop |
| 08:23.01 | Decepticon | Skiver, that is the output of dpkg -l wine: 0.0.20050310-1 |
| 08:23.13 | Skiver | bintut : i didn't ask this, what's the res you're using now |
| 08:23.58 | Skiver | Decepticon, let me check mine. |
| 08:24.06 | Decepticon | Skiver, thank you |
| 08:24.12 | bintut | Skiver: it defaulted to 1024x768.. |
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| 08:24.59 | Skiver | Decepticon, 0.9.25-1 |
| 08:25.00 | jerome | hum, say my hd is pretty borked and I can't boot my system anymore, but can read /usr, /var, how coud I get the list of installed packages ? |
| 08:25.08 | xingu | ok so the guts of this is - why does the dfp/lfp probe get a different result to his vbe decode |
| 08:25.16 | jerome | no logs of dpkg --get-selection stored someplace ? |
| 08:25.22 | Decepticon | Skiver, and your uTorrent runs fine on that version of wine? |
| 08:25.33 | jelly | xingu: a) panel lies, b) dmidecode lies. ;-) |
| 08:25.40 | Skiver | Decepticon, I don't have that. only IE =P |
| 08:25.43 | jelly | err... vbedecode |
| 08:25.59 | xingu | jelly: *laugh* nice; does that 915thingo abomination *push* a fake vbe string perchance? |
| 08:26.00 | jelly | (I don't know that one is though) |
| 08:26.27 | jelly | xingu: it only changes the mode table I think |
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| 08:26.41 | bintut | xingu, jelly, Skiver and Anarka: i think my laptop is just using 1280X800. but my laptop is this ==> http://tinyurl.com/ykyq35 |
| 08:27.00 | Decepticon | Skiver, i checked the wine app db, 0.9.24 is gold for utorrent |
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| 08:27.29 | jelly | bintut: look for the part number and then check the exact specs with the vendor. |
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| 08:27.38 | xingu | hee hee |
| 08:28.03 | xingu | bintut: there's 3x orderable display options; only the wsxga+ one is 1680x1050 capable |
| 08:28.14 | xingu | bintut: check your order real carefully. :) |
| 08:28.50 | Skiver | Decepticon, go ahead with that version? I'm on sid, you ? |
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| 08:29.03 | Skiver | bintut: part number. |
| 08:29.05 | Decepticon | im using sarge, do you think it will create problems? |
| 08:29.06 | bintut | xingu: yeah.. maybe for now i'll just use the 1280x800 resolution |
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| 08:29.13 | bintut | Skiver: i can't find the part number here |
| 08:29.35 | jelly | I wouldn't be surpised if somebody at Dell put together a laptop with WXGA panel and WSXGA+ video bios. :-| |
| 08:29.51 | Skiver | Decepticon, compiling wine can be a pain. |
| 08:29.55 | xingu | jelly: being serious, I think it more likely that they have a single bios image |
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| 08:30.03 | cooner750 | Hello |
| 08:30.05 | jelly | bintut: must be on a sticker below. |
| 08:30.17 | xingu | jelly: so no doubt vbe tells the world it is wsxga+ even when it just ain't. |
| 08:30.17 | Decepticon | Skiver oh no... must i deal with broken dependencies, and such? |
| 08:30.31 | Skiver | Decepticon, most likely. |
| 08:30.34 | jelly | xingu: could be |
| 08:30.41 | xingu | jelly: probing code is hard, lets go shopping |
| 08:30.47 | Skiver | Decepticon, what's so good about utorrent ? go for azureus. |
| 08:31.03 | jelly | Skiver: that java app is a bit of a hog |
| 08:31.09 | netdaemon | utorrent isn't a bloated hog like azureus |
| 08:31.10 | Decepticon | exactly |
| 08:31.14 | Skiver | jelly: not anymore. |
| 08:31.21 | cooner750 | Can someone do me a quick favor and see if http://cooner750.dyndns.org will load? I think my server was either accidently powered off or has crashed, as suddenly I cannot access it with the IP or the URL. |
| 08:31.27 | jelly | Skiver: like since when? |
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| 08:31.49 | jelly | Skiver: I have 2.5 something, it's still java, and still a hog. |
| 08:31.54 | bintut | jelly: it's a model no. pp20l |
| 08:31.55 | Decepticon | cooner750, doesnt seem to be working.... |
| 08:32.04 | Quintin | Anyone want to buy 1lb of rubber bands? <3 |
| 08:32.09 | cooner750 | Hmm.. wonder what happened this time. |
| 08:32.09 | Quintin | 1 US pound that is |
| 08:32.16 | jelly | bintut: Don't tell me, search on Dell's site (or ask them) |
| 08:32.17 | netdaemon | ... |
| 08:32.17 | Skiver | jelly, your version of JRE ? |
| 08:32.19 | cooner750 | Wont be able to find out until tomorrow |
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| 08:32.49 | jelly | Skiver: uhh... loks like I have 1.4.2_08 in path O:-) |
| 08:32.58 | Skiver | jelly, =) |
| 08:33.07 | jelly | Marvellous |
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| 08:34.41 | liable | Quintin: theres a different lb? |
| 08:34.58 | bintut | brb |
| 08:35.06 | Skiver | java in sid pool(non-free), it's like 1.5.0_08-b03 |
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| 08:36.44 | netdaemon | speaking of, anyone use gcj? |
| 08:37.04 | Skiver | netdaemon, i was. |
| 08:37.14 | netdaemon | how was it/ |
| 08:37.18 | xingu | in a time long long ago in a galaxy far away |
| 08:37.22 | netdaemon | ?* |
| 08:37.32 | xingu | netdaemon: it compiled, it booted - I shipped it |
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| 08:37.41 | Skiver | netdaemon, can't recall, it was like 2 or 3 years ago. |
| 08:37.52 | liable | err, in a tome ling ago, in a galaxy far far away :P |
| 08:38.00 | xingu | netdaemon: seriously though it was some trivial systems stuff circa jre1.2 |
| 08:38.02 | liable | time and long |
| 08:38.13 | Skiver | when i was first with debian testing. |
| 08:38.16 | liable | i think i have caught dyslexia |
| 08:38.26 | xingu | I'll never be able to hold my head up at the convention again |
| 08:39.06 | netdaemon | so just best to stick with sun java eh/ |
| 08:39.14 | xingu | netdaemon: or perl. :) |
| 08:39.19 | liable | eeek |
| 08:39.23 | netdaemon | not a fan of perl :P |
| 08:39.23 | xingu | netdaemon: either is pervasive enough to assume their presence |
| 08:39.48 | xingu | it gets the job done |
| 08:39.49 | jelly | Do Blackdown folks still build their own java? |
| 08:40.03 | Skiver | errr |
| 08:40.09 | Skiver | lost touch of that. |
| 08:40.20 | netdaemon | blackdown is close source afaik |
| 08:40.23 | Skiver | that was even longer when i was with fedora. |
| 08:40.32 | netdaemon | its just a sun java port to linux...but there is no point anymore |
| 08:40.42 | xingu | I was using that right up to the release of sun-java |
| 08:40.56 | xingu | only sane way to get a jre1.4 at one stage |
| 08:41.04 | jelly | netdaemon: they did have some neat stuff before sun... epoll, for example. |
| 08:41.24 | netdaemon | hm |
| 08:42.23 | xingu | netdaemon: re gcj I bet the parser is sane enough; the places you'll trip up are probably code generation and runtime weirdness |
| 08:42.28 | jelly | http://blackdown.org/java-linux/java2-status/j2se1.5-status.html $Date: 2004/11/22 22:35:46 $ -- looks a bit unmaintained |
| 08:42.40 | xingu | netdaemon: compile once, debug everywhere, you know how it goes |
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| 08:43.08 | netdaemon | xingu: i'm still a n00b in the coding scene :P |
| 08:43.11 | tootka | hi, i installed a base debian install, is there any way to grab gcc/ld/binutils etc in apt-get |
| 08:43.12 | tootka | ? |
| 08:43.18 | anapivirtua_ | Hi. |
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| 08:43.42 | netdaemon | tootka: apt-get install build-essential |
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| 08:43.49 | raghu206 | how to set data source name in oracle |
| 08:44.02 | xingu | wow, holy inappropriate questions batman |
| 08:44.19 | wols_ | raghu206: ask #oracle |
| 08:44.48 | tootka | hm netdaemon, that cmd doesnt work |
| 08:44.54 | tootka | the -essential is bugging it |
| 08:45.04 | netdaemon | xingu: i'm liking C++ right now |
| 08:45.06 | netdaemon | :P |
| 08:45.09 | tootka | 'e' from essential is not known |
| 08:45.10 | tootka | it says |
| 08:45.12 | wols_ | !build-esseintals |
| 08:45.18 | wols_ | !build-essentials |
| 08:45.23 | wols_ | !b-e |
| 08:45.23 | netdaemon | figure if i learn that first, everything after that will be easy as pie |
| 08:45.23 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:47.01 | tootka | hehe.. nothing on that in google |
| 08:47.35 | wols_ | tootka: if apt-get install build-essential doesn't work you aren't running debian or it's pebkac |
| 08:47.41 | netdaemon | tootka: it shows you what its gonna install before it install's it |
| 08:48.07 | netdaemon | or your sources.list isn't configured properly |
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| 08:48.41 | tootka | ya saying not available, referred to by anoher package |
| 08:48.54 | tootka | i installed debian from that mini cd |
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| 08:49.12 | bintut | nada.. :( |
| 08:49.43 | liable | tootka: build-essential should certainly be available, check your spelling |
| 08:49.50 | liable | !info build-essential etch |
| 08:49.54 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.3 (etch), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 08:50.02 | bintut | i already set my resolution to 1280x800 but still, it goes back to 1024x768 |
| 08:50.31 | wols_ | tootka: put a debian repository in your sources.list and run apt-get update. it will be available |
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| 08:51.30 | tootka | deb http://security.debian.org stable/upates main contrib |
| 08:51.36 | tootka | in sources.list |
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| 08:52.27 | wols_ | tootka: that's not a main debian repository. it's only security updates |
| 08:52.41 | tootka | ooo ok |
| 08:52.53 | Skiver | bintut, what desktop you're using? |
| 08:52.57 | tootka | ok i c |
| 08:53.02 | bintut | Skiver: gnome |
| 08:53.03 | tootka | need2 find a main debian repo i guesss now |
| 08:53.18 | wols_ | !tell tootka about mirrors |
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| 08:53.56 | tootka | thnx you guys are alot of help |
| 08:54.04 | tootka | considering its 4am and i should have slept at 11 |
| 08:54.49 | Skiver | bintut: you have any tool there to set your res in gnome ? |
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| 08:55.30 | bintut | Skiver: yes, but it doesn't have any option to change it.. it only defaulted to 1024x768 |
| 08:55.32 | tootka | oooh crap this build-essential gonna take a while, thnx wols |
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| 08:57.01 | xingu | bintut: do you have a service tag #? 5-7 digit alphanumeric on white barcode |
| 08:57.10 | xingu | bintut: probably on underside of notebook |
| 08:57.42 | Skiver | bintut: have you tried the forcebios line after setting the horiz and vert ? |
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| 08:59.16 | bintut | xingu: yes, i have here |
| 08:59.17 | bintut | Skiver: not now.. |
| 08:59.17 | bintut | Skiver: i will try? |
| 08:59.17 | tootka | uh its done |
| 08:59.21 | tootka | 200 kb/s |
| 08:59.23 | tootka | hehe! |
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| 09:00.07 | brime | Is ProFtp secure? |
| 09:00.14 | xingu | bintut: wotsit? I need to plug it into the service site to turn it into an actual list of bits. |
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| 09:04.21 | brime | Or rather can I use proftp outside of a LAN out of the box and have every thing encrypted? |
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| 09:06.16 | jelly | brime: vsftpd is muchly preferable security-wise |
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| 09:07.30 | brime | wow |
| 09:07.30 | jelly | yay for netsplits |
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| 09:08.06 | Ilovemypuppy | wow the netsplit flooded people off |
| 09:08.15 | Ilovemypuppy | you know your distro is popular when... |
| 09:08.21 | brime | lol |
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| 09:08.52 | jelly | Ilovemypuppy: how can you tell the netsplitted ones from the flooded off? |
| 09:09.04 | bintut | brb |
| 09:09.06 | xingu | bintut: HF086 LCD,15.4WXGA,VESA,GWVA,QDI |
| 09:09.07 | tootka | reset by peer? |
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| 09:09.21 | jelly | ahh |
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| 09:09.26 | tootka | pc |
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| 09:09.30 | xingu | bintut: HF086 LCD,15.4WXGA,VESA,GWVA,QDI <-- got a suspicion this is the 1280x800 display, trying to confirm it |
| 09:09.32 | brime | jelly: thanks i'll look into vsftp |
| 09:09.34 | Ilovemypuppy | maybe the reset by peers too |
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| 09:10.03 | bintut | xingu: yeah.. i already set my xorg.conf to 1280x800 but still goes back to 1024x768 |
| 09:10.18 | jelly | WXGA = 1280x800 right |
| 09:10.29 | liable | bintut: what does the log say about that? |
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| 09:11.02 | jelly | bintut: have you already set up 1280x800 with 915resolution? |
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| 09:14.06 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:14.06 | dpkg | i heard qotd78 is <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
| 09:14.19 | bintut | liable: kindly check out http://paste.debian.net/17661 |
| 09:14.35 | bintut | jelly: not yet.. i'll restart x.. brb |
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| 09:18.11 | jelly | !qotd126 |
| 09:18.11 | dpkg | i guess qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 09:18.22 | ak70 | hi, I got a segmentation fault when I was trying to upgrade my system(sid daily update), does anyone have the same problem? |
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| 09:19.04 | jelly | ak70: seg.fault in what package? |
| 09:19.37 | ak70 | apt-get itself |
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| 09:20.08 | jelly | ak70: that's nice. got the core? |
| 09:20.17 | ak70 | it can download the index file. |
| 09:20.18 | dooglus | !qotd167 |
| 09:20.19 | dpkg | [qotd167] <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 09:20.32 | ak70 | no |
| 09:21.02 | liable | dooglus: your a brave man :) |
| 09:21.10 | ak70 | dpkg still works fine, I can install or remove packages |
| 09:21.19 | ak70 | but apt-get no |
| 09:22.09 | jelly | ak70: well, if you want to debug, you'll probably have to create a coredump. |
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| 09:22.29 | dooglus | ak70: or just run apt-get inside gdb |
| 09:22.44 | ak70 | ok I try |
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| 09:24.05 | yang | Do I need to make ndiswrapper after I apt-get it? |
| 09:24.40 | _bk | how is DST set on the system? |
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| 09:25.54 | jelly | _bk: by choosing the timezone which has DST? |
| 09:25.54 | liable | yang: yes |
| 09:26.34 | liable | !tell yang about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 09:26.41 | _bk | jelly: what about for an area that did not have DST before but now has it? |
| 09:26.53 | _bk | jelly: it was only decided like two weeks ago, heh. |
| 09:26.57 | xingu | bintut: http://www.screentekinc.com/Dell-HF086.shtml |
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| 09:27.15 | Anarka | ak70 i had this note here from a long time ago.... you can give it a try http://anarka.org/~anarka/aptseg.txt |
| 09:27.23 | xingu | in and out like a groom on his wedding night |
| 09:27.47 | jelly | _bk: you'll either have to wait for someone else to update the timezone definitions, or get your hands dirty |
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| 09:28.20 | _bk | jelly: well... it has to be updated by 2am tomorrow morning ;) |
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| 09:28.46 | xingu | _bk: what region is this? |
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| 09:28.58 | liable | _bk: WA? |
| 09:29.07 | _bk | xingu: WST, Australia WA |
| 09:29.21 | xingu | for feck's sake |
| 09:29.25 | jelly | _bk: sounds like a job for a cron job! |
| 09:29.30 | xingu | how bloody many timezones does that country need? |
| 09:29.33 | _bk | heh |
| 09:29.39 | liable | xingu: its a big country :P |
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| 09:29.55 | ak70 | I used gdb, it seems that something wrong with the function strlen() from libc6 |
| 09:29.56 | xingu | liable: no kidding. :) |
| 09:30.08 | _bk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Australia-Timezones-Standard.png |
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| 09:30.30 | jelly | _bk: or you can apt-get source glibc and try to figure it out yourself, then rebuild the zoneinfo and update all the machines. |
| 09:30.31 | _bk | that's normal timezone |
| 09:30.34 | _bk | check out DST: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Australia-Timezones-Daylight-2007-09.png |
| 09:30.42 | _bk | DST looks shocking ;) |
| 09:30.51 | jelly | _bk: that's experimental for 3 years? |
| 09:30.56 | _bk | jelly: correct. |
| 09:31.01 | xingu | _bk: there's a week or something when vic out of kilter too isn't there? |
| 09:31.09 | Anarka | ak70 have you tried what i said ? |
| 09:31.09 | _bk | and initial year starts at a whack date (3rd dec) |
| 09:31.31 | liable | try living in tweed heads.. |
| 09:31.38 | jelly | +9.5 +10.5 d'oh |
| 09:31.52 | xingu | oh for the love of |
| 09:31.55 | xingu | I didn't spot *that* |
| 09:31.56 | liable | erm, wa is +8 normally |
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| 09:32.25 | xingu | fuck it, lets just chop the sea cables and ignore 'em |
| 09:32.27 | yang | liable: how do i figure out which ndiswrapper driver i need? |
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| 09:33.01 | _bk | ;) |
| 09:33.02 | liable | yang: you just need the firmware for your card, which is the windows one. google it, theres a shitload of info on it |
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| 09:33.27 | ak70 | Anarka, sorry, I don't know how to create a coredump |
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| 09:33.59 | Anarka | ak70 ?! i meat this http://anarka.org/~anarka/aptseg.txt |
| 09:34.02 | xingu | _bk: so did they hold another refferendum or isn't that necessary these days? |
| 09:34.21 | ak70 | That works! |
| 09:34.25 | _bk | xingu: yes, will happen after the trial (3 years) |
| 09:34.29 | ak70 | thank you!!! |
| 09:34.33 | _bk | it's been rejected 3 times in the last 30 years |
| 09:34.43 | xingu | _bk: sneaky backdooring bar stewards |
| 09:34.45 | _bk | ;) |
| 09:34.46 | Anarka | np:) |
| 09:34.50 | liable | wtf are you guys on about with the 9.5? wa is +8 and with DST +9 |
| 09:34.53 | ak70 | but any reasons? |
| 09:34.57 | xingu | _bk: so the referendum will be - "vote yes for more pain to unwind it" |
| 09:34.59 | jelly | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Australia-Timezones-Daylight-2007-09.png |
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| 09:35.04 | xingu | liable: SA/NT |
| 09:35.06 | _bk | liable: SA is 10.5, NT is 9.5 |
| 09:35.10 | liable | jelly: wa is the left one |
| 09:35.12 | Anarka | ak70 as i said... old solution i dont remeber what was the problem ;) |
| 09:35.23 | landexem | Hi, when I try and upgrade packages using APT, it will download the .debs fine and it even seems to install and set up most of the packages without issue, but it fails and gives me this error: |
| 09:35.25 | landexem | "E: /var/cache/apt/archives/samba_3.0.23d-1_i386.deb: subprocess new pre-removal script returned error exit status 102" |
| 09:35.27 | Anarka | the cause of the problem |
| 09:35.27 | robin_sz | on etch. how can I upgrade icedove to thunderbird? |
| 09:35.40 | _bk | brazil has DST start/end at different dates every year. hah. |
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| 09:35.52 | _bk | http://www.linux.com/howtos/TimePrecision-HOWTO/tz.shtml |
| 09:35.56 | liable | xingu: they have always been like that, time compared to gmt is a function of distance, and with SA lattitude |
| 09:36.01 | jelly | _bk: I wonder how _that_ works on stable :-> |
| 09:36.06 | Anarka | robin_sz icedove rewplaced thubnderbird |
| 09:36.20 | Skiver | hey where's that dude bintut ? |
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| 09:37.13 | Skiver | jelly, just in case. if he comes back. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159151&page=3 |
| 09:37.30 | Skiver | a ModeLine in monitor section might help. |
| 09:37.47 | Skiver | i'm off. later guys. |
| 09:38.02 | robin_sz | Anarka, yeah, but I prefer to stay with the main branch rather than a fork, as the main branch is likely to get better security updates |
| 09:38.04 | xingu | Skiver: he's hosed, the panel is 1280x800 - confirmed vs decode of his service tag |
| 09:38.05 | jelly | Skiver: I'll be leaving too... and your url will be lost like tears in the rain... time... to /quit |
| 09:38.31 | xingu | Skiver: repeat after me, do not make final sku selections while inebriated |
| 09:38.51 | robin_sz | Anarka, and I liked the logo |
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| 09:39.01 | Anarka | robin_sz since the team doing the packages in debian is the same and they opted for icedove you will be better using icedove |
| 09:39.06 | Skiver | heh. i'm done. |
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| 09:39.08 | Skiver | bye. |
| 09:39.14 | Anarka | thunderbird should be dead in debian |
| 09:39.20 | robin_sz | oh. |
| 09:39.40 | robin_sz | Anarka, happen to know if its available as a third party package? |
| 09:39.40 | solars_ | hi, does anyone know why the debian elinks packages ships with a hooks.rb example, but has no ruby scripting support compiled ? |
| 09:39.59 | Anarka | robin_sz you should read why this is happening |
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| 09:40.14 | Anarka | if you choose a third party packae then you'll have 0 support |
| 09:40.22 | robin_sz | Anarka, where should I read this? |
| 09:40.27 | wols_ | robin_sz: if you want security updates you should either use the debian package (icedove) or upstream mozilla.com pakcages |
| 09:40.30 | wols_ | no other way |
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| 09:40.33 | Anarka | if you keep with the debian version you will have security updates |
| 09:41.02 | robin_sz | wols_, moz publish it as a .deb? |
| 09:41.04 | wols_ | and considering you already use debian, it'd be foolish to not use icedove |
| 09:41.23 | tarzeau | odla: pong |
| 09:41.27 | tarzeau | panthera: yes? |
| 09:41.31 | wols_ | cause if you doN't trust the debian security team, you need another distro not just another MUA |
| 09:41.32 | xk | hmm... I can see the old DST info in glibc's 'australasia' file :) |
| 09:41.38 | Anarka | eheh |
| 09:41.51 | xk | now to modify it. |
| 09:41.56 | jelly | solars_: I don't know, but it sounds like you want to report a bug (using "reportbug")! |
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| 09:42.09 | xk | i'm surprised it hasn't been updated in the last two weeks. |
| 09:42.17 | solars_ | jelly, well its no bug, but a bit confusing |
| 09:42.59 | jelly | solars_: i'd call the unnecessary and confusing files in a package are a (minor) bug |
| 09:43.24 | solars_ | jelly, heh, alright then I'll report a minor bug :) |
| 09:43.25 | liable | xk: file a wishlist |
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| 09:43.42 | liable | xk: then i dont have to :) |
| 09:43.50 | xingu | liable: err, for wa.au it's going to be a severe bug not a wishlist |
| 09:44.30 | liable | xingu: i spose your right |
| 09:44.52 | jelly | xingu: it already is a bug, just that it becomes active at what, tomorrow 2am? |
| 09:44.58 | xingu | heh |
| 09:45.00 | yang | liable: i installed ndiswrapper with the driver...and iwconfig shows the pcmcia card, but iwlist eth1 scan won't work, it says interface doesnt support scanning : no such device |
| 09:45.03 | xingu | a severe timebomb |
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| 09:45.31 | liable | yang: not all ifaces support scanning, does it show at all in ifconfig -a? |
| 09:45.54 | liable | jk |
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| 09:46.14 | jelly | This is not even my hemisphere... why should I care? :-> |
| 09:46.27 | liable | jelly: cause your a nice person? |
| 09:46.33 | jelly | riiight |
| 09:46.36 | yang | liable: nope, it's not there...but i know it supports scanning, becuouse it did on my previous debian installation |
| 09:46.36 | liable | !aww |
| 09:46.36 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 09:46.44 | xingu | personally, I blame those loony gropers for dropping a bombshell like that |
| 09:46.51 | xingu | muppets. :) |
| 09:46.59 | xingu | feck it, wishlist then reject it |
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| 09:47.15 | liable | yang: then you did something wrong :P check dmesg for when you modprobed ndiswrapper |
| 09:47.18 | yang | liable: do i need this package "hotplug" for pcmcia to be recognised well? |
| 09:47.27 | xk | weird... so it starts at 2am... that means it changes to 3am... but when it finishes... it's on 2am... which mean time goes back to 1am? |
| 09:47.31 | liable | yang: what debian version? |
| 09:47.33 | xingu | let 'em stew; and I bet nobody considered the effect on unpatchable w95 systems either :) |
| 09:47.36 | yang | liable: etch |
| 09:47.49 | liable | yang: hotplug has been replaced by udev |
| 09:48.09 | xingu | xk: usually the way |
| 09:48.17 | jelly | xingu: systems worth shit do accounting in UTC anyway |
| 09:48.23 | liable | xk: does it matter? the result is the same |
| 09:48.26 | xingu | xk: you get 0100-0200 twice over on end of summer time |
| 09:49.02 | xingu | makes some log parsers barf. :) |
| 09:49.06 | liable | jelly: good point, most sane things work in utc |
| 09:49.10 | xingu | leap seconds are funnier |
| 09:49.29 | xingu | "you mean there can be >59s in a minute? holy schmokes" |
| 09:49.45 | yang | liable: here is the dmesg output http://paste.debian.net/17662 |
| 09:50.09 | jelly | xingu: there are almost always > 59s in a minute! |
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| 09:50.17 | xingu | well, whatever. :) |
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| 09:50.22 | xk | who wants the updated australasia file? all you need to do is run 'zic australasia' and it updates /usr/share/zoneinfo/... |
| 09:50.29 | xk | although... i'm not sure if I did it right ;) |
| 09:50.38 | xingu | jelly: zero based counting implicitly assumed of course |
| 09:50.41 | liable | yang: that driver is in >2.6.17 kernels iirc |
| 09:50.51 | liable | >+ |
| 09:50.53 | liable | >= |
| 09:50.55 | liable | bah |
| 09:51.04 | liable | stupid fingers |
| 09:51.22 | liable | xingu: sure |
| 09:51.24 | yang | liable: well |
| 09:51.26 | liable | xk: ^^ |
| 09:51.32 | yang | liable: i compiled it again |
| 09:52.08 | liable | xk: or is it just a matter of editing tzinfo? |
| 09:52.09 | xk | liable: dcc send 3 files ;) |
| 09:52.13 | jelly | hmm, have you guys checked tzdata from unstable? |
| 09:52.16 | xk | liable: no, you need the glibc source. |
| 09:52.38 | xingu | xk: put in an easter egg for those gropers, name it Australia/West_Bombshell_Dropping_Lunatics |
| 09:53.18 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.18 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.38 | xk | jelly: where's that from? |
| 09:53.40 | xingu | jelly: needs a backport too, what with the etch release status'n'all |
| 09:53.45 | jelly | xk: unstable! |
| 09:53.49 | xk | what package? |
| 09:53.55 | jelly | tzdata |
| 09:54.06 | xk | there's no tzdata for stable! |
| 09:54.07 | jelly | urgency might have to be bumped |
| 09:54.07 | liable | xk: ta |
| 09:54.57 | liable | xk: no .diff (not that it really matters) |
| 09:55.08 | xingu | so back to the original question, have they solved the *actual* problem of incoherent start/end dates also? |
| 09:55.14 | xingu | or have they compounded it? |
| 09:55.30 | jelly | I'll let you antipodes deal with the stuff. |
| 09:56.06 | xk | ahhh... tz stuff has been split off from glibc into tzdata |
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| 09:56.58 | liable | hrm, libc6 is still the responsible package though eh? |
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| 09:57.09 | xk | liable: I guess it's a matter of apt-get source tzdata from unstable, build it, install it, and she's done. |
| 09:57.11 | yang | liable: so what do you think could be wrong with that pcmcia card? some step which i missed in wireless configuration |
| 09:57.25 | xk | liable: for stable, yes. |
| 09:58.10 | xk | Unpacking tzdata (from tzdata_2006p-1_all.deb) ... |
| 09:58.11 | xk | Replacing files in old package libc6 ... |
| 09:58.11 | xk | Setting up tzdata (2006p-1) ... |
| 09:58.11 | xk | ;) |
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| 09:58.11 | liable | xk: ok, i was recently having problems with tzdata and thought it was still part of libc6, it must have very recently split |
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| 09:58.13 | xingu | I wonder what the good folk of broom think about all this |
| 09:58.23 | liable | broome :P |
| 09:58.52 | xingu | picky today aren't you. :) |
| 09:59.04 | liable | the time up north (particularly north east kimberly/WA) should be on NT time.. |
| 09:59.12 | liable | xingu: yep :) |
| 09:59.19 | yang | liable: in syslog it says bcm43xx: radio turned off |
| 09:59.38 | liable | yang: yeah, i saw that, do you have one of those switches?? |
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| 09:59.52 | yang | liable: its a linksys pcmcia card |
| 09:59.55 | xingu | liable: no kidding, ever been to argyle? :) |
| 10:00.00 | liable | xingu: its *very* rare that i get to be a grammar nazi :) |
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| 10:00.14 | liable | xingu: sure, i used to live at Turkey Ck |
| 10:00.35 | xingu | liable: oh man, the worst truck stop in the whole world is right there |
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| 10:00.37 | Danielss89 | hi, does anyone know what the name of the package that will get php's imagepng() function to work is called? |
| 10:00.39 | xingu | liable: a frog in the bog! |
| 10:00.47 | wlnet | ? |
| 10:01.16 | liable | xingu: all over the top end you get tree frogs in the dunny, i have some cute photos of the little fuckers :) |
| 10:01.22 | xk | ;) |
| 10:01.44 | wlnet | i get this msg at the end of rsync: rsync warning: some files vanished before they could be transferred (code 24) at main.c(977) [sender=2.6.9] |
| 10:01.51 | wlnet | what does it mean? |
| 10:01.53 | xingu | liable: this one had a good craze of cobweb and looked like it hadn't seen bleach since the 1800's |
| 10:02.14 | wlnet | can i know what are those files? |
| 10:02.30 | oOGneaOo | wlnet: did you turn on verbosity? |
| 10:02.30 | xingu | liable: but something going "ribbit" in a bog with no windows and no light took the cake |
| 10:02.30 | liable | xingu: public ammenities arent on the high list in that part of the world :P |
| 10:02.34 | jelly | Danielss89: guessing: php4-gd or pgp5-gd maybe? |
| 10:02.59 | liable | xingu: wait untill one jumps up from the bog when you arent expecting it :) |
| 10:02.59 | Danielss89 | oki ill try installing them |
| 10:03.08 | xingu | liable: the silent but deadly type :) |
| 10:03.15 | liable | yang: hrm |
| 10:03.17 | jelly | Danielss89: install only the one for your php version. |
| 10:03.17 | xingu | liable: kiss your pecker and turn *you* into a toad |
| 10:03.23 | wlnet | o0Gnea0o: i think so. it is a script. why? |
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| 10:03.31 | liable | xingu: well, scare the shit out of you anyway :) |
| 10:03.58 | Danielss89 | yes ive got php4.. it works now, thanks |
| 10:04.09 | liable | something cold and wet grabbing your sack whilst you are in the dunny is a surprise :) |
| 10:04.13 | xingu | liable: from per.wa.au originally, did a stint in kal, toured around the state a bit as a lad... |
| 10:04.35 | liable | xingu: ah, i am heading to Karratha next week |
| 10:04.43 | xingu | liable: that's really come along these days |
| 10:04.52 | xingu | liable: well, half of it has. :) |
| 10:05.00 | xingu | liable: the other half is still a dump |
| 10:05.03 | liable | xingu: done the kimberley, just moved to perth after living in qld for a stint |
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| 10:05.27 | liable | well, working in karratha, living in perth |
| 10:05.41 | xingu | liable: should be getting on for nice and super muggy soon in karratha |
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| 10:05.53 | liable | ya, heard high forties |
| 10:05.59 | liable | well, mid |
| 10:06.04 | oOGneaOo | yang: yo |
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| 10:06.08 | wlnet | 0oGnea0o: ? btw, your nick cannot be auto-filled. why? |
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| 10:06.22 | jelly | wlnet: it's o letters |
| 10:06.32 | liable | wlnet: try gne<tab> |
| 10:06.34 | xk | O0O0O0 ;) |
| 10:06.46 | oOGneaOo | it's an o not an 0 |
| 10:06.47 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 10:06.52 | jelly | 00h |
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| 10:06.57 | liable | wlnet: gnea has decided he only likes weird ass nicks lately |
| 10:07.04 | xingu | liable: when it gets bad enough the storms sweep across kal, laverton, and out leonora way |
| 10:07.05 | oOGneaOo | waitasec |
| 10:07.13 | oOGneaOo | it's past the time |
| 10:07.20 | xingu | liable: awsome lightning, just like darwin on a good day |
| 10:07.27 | Danielss89 | do you recommend upgrading to php5? |
| 10:07.39 | mike- | http://wiki.elivecd.org/community/en/653 |
| 10:07.42 | liable | xingu: where you live? |
| 10:07.49 | xingu | liable: now? gmt+0 |
| 10:07.57 | liable | pommy land? |
| 10:08.00 | xingu | yep |
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| 10:08.09 | xingu | few seconds west of the meridian itself. :) |
| 10:08.36 | liable | you can have that :P |
| 10:08.42 | tarzeau | etch release? |
| 10:08.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:08.46 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:09.00 | yang | hey gnea |
| 10:09.00 | xingu | I'll wake up one day and move it about a bit just to pass some of my pain back to the world |
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| 10:09.50 | yang | liable: maybe if i reboot it may work after that? |
| 10:09.59 | liable | xingu: whats your job? (only if its not computer related) |
| 10:09.59 | oOGneaOo | yang: hey, seen a lot of bcm4xxx weirdness lately... any output from iwconfig? |
| 10:10.01 | wlnet | no answer to why i am getting this rsync msg ? rsync warning: some files vanished before they could be transferred (code 24) at main.c(977) [sender=2.6.9] |
| 10:10.06 | liable | yang: not likely to help at all |
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| 10:10.18 | oOGneaOo | wlnet: turn on verbosity! :) |
| 10:10.19 | xingu | liable: <sound effect="crickets">...</> |
| 10:10.22 | yang | oOGneaOo: iwconfig whows correct |
| 10:10.30 | yang | whows/shows |
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| 10:10.46 | liable | yang: i thought you said ifconfig -a didnt show the card? |
| 10:10.55 | liable | xingu: k |
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| 10:11.02 | yang | oOGneaOo: but there it says Access Point : invalid |
| 10:11.07 | oOGneaOo | yang: what happens if you try to get an ip via dhcp? |
| 10:11.26 | yang | liable: iwconfig shows the card as "eth1" but ifconfig -a doesnt show it |
| 10:11.26 | wlnet | o0Gnea0o: i think it salready on. i can see the files scrolling thro the screen. |
| 10:11.31 | xingu | liable: hardcore ops systems admin, in a pretty hardcore telecoms environment. |
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| 10:12.02 | tarzeau | can someone translate this into something i can read? mailto:%61%63%69%64%40%64%65%62%69%61%6e%2e%6f%72%67/ |
| 10:12.02 | liable | xingu: oh, thought it may have been something else given your previous comments |
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| 10:12.21 | xingu | liable: nah I just get out a bit |
| 10:12.24 | yang | oOGneaOo: it wont get an ip over dhcp becouse its not set to dhcp distribute on router |
| 10:12.46 | liable | xingu: ex telstra lad? |
| 10:12.46 | oOGneaOo | yang: can you set it to and try anyway? |
| 10:13.31 | xingu | liable: nah, did my stint with homebrew IP stuff and moved sideways |
| 10:13.41 | liable | yang: did you add the -a?? |
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| 10:13.46 | liable | Gnea: yay! |
| 10:13.55 | yang | Gnea: what will that solve... |
| 10:13.56 | Gnea | liable: almost done... |
| 10:14.03 | Gnea | yang: troubleshooting |
| 10:14.20 | Palish | Hey... I just installed debian, with an sshd server. When I SSH into the box, the typing interaction is -extremely- slow |
| 10:14.22 | xingu | now, lets see if I can put together some bugs/ problem reports semi-coherently |
| 10:14.25 | yang | liable: ah yes...it is shown now with "-a" |
| 10:14.30 | Palish | the actual typing itself.. When I hit a key, to see it render onto the screen, it takes 1-2 seconds |
| 10:14.33 | Palish | Is this common? |
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| 10:14.45 | liable | yang: ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1 |
| 10:14.54 | xk | Palish: where is the remote machine located? |
| 10:14.58 | xk | relative to you? |
| 10:15.02 | liable | Palish: on a shitty connection, yes |
| 10:15.03 | jelly | Palish: on slow or saturated network connections, yes |
| 10:15.04 | Gnea | okay |
| 10:15.06 | xingu | Palish: check CPU, round trip delay, and packet loss |
| 10:15.07 | Gnea | liable: it's fixed now :) |
| 10:15.14 | yang | liable: ifconfig eth1 up = SIOCSFLAGS no such file or dir |
| 10:15.15 | Palish | xk: If I connect to it locally, it's very fast. If I connect to it though my website, it becomes extremely slow. |
| 10:15.21 | liable | Gnea: 'bout fucking time :P |
| 10:15.24 | Palish | I run a 386000 bps upstream connection. Not amazing. |
| 10:15.28 | Palish | Does it have to be hugely fast to do ssh? o_O |
| 10:15.29 | Gnea | liable: no shit :P |
| 10:15.31 | Palish | you wouldn't think so |
| 10:15.45 | liable | yang: paste your ifconfig -a output to a paster |
| 10:15.46 | wols_ | Palish: no. it only needs low latency |
| 10:15.46 | xingu | Palish: bandwidth doesn't matter, round trip and loss metrics do |
| 10:15.47 | xk | Palish: traceroute/ping from the slow machine. |
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| 10:15.58 | Quintin | liable: buy some! |
| 10:16.06 | Palish | Yeah, ping times are 3-4 ms |
| 10:16.12 | Palish | probably because I'm on the local network. |
| 10:16.18 | xingu | Palish: if yours are poor, suggest you use network layer encryption (vtun, ipsec, whatever) and telnet and lose the transport layer crypto. |
| 10:16.22 | Palish | and the router is catching my outgoing traffic |
| 10:16.25 | liable | Quintin: what? why do you keep saying weird stuff to me? |
| 10:16.57 | Quintin | liable: You said weird stuff to me first |
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| 10:17.01 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ firefox |
| 10:17.02 | Quintin | anyone here setup blootbot? |
| 10:17.03 | x_link | Segmentation fault |
| 10:17.07 | liable | Quintin: such as? |
| 10:17.10 | Quintin | x_link: firefox is crap. install opera |
| 10:17.15 | yang | liable: http://paste.debian.net/17664 |
| 10:17.17 | Gnea | yang: what kernel are you using? |
| 10:17.24 | yang | Gnea: 2.6.17 |
| 10:17.28 | Gnea | Quintin: how is firefox crap, exactly? |
| 10:17.37 | Quintin | Gnea: sucks on linux. too slow |
| 10:17.37 | Gnea | yang: sarge? |
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| 10:17.39 | x_link | When I press the FIreFox icon it starts to lead but then it close itself |
| 10:17.47 | Gnea | Quintin: only if your system sucks |
| 10:17.56 | Gnea | runs nice and speedy here |
| 10:17.58 | cahoot | in the usual 'irc rash judgement way' |
| 10:17.59 | Quintin | Gnea: no... it's slow. especially compared to opera. |
| 10:18.14 | yang | Gnea: no etch |
| 10:18.18 | Quintin | even if I use an optimized build of ff it's slow :p |
| 10:18.20 | Gnea | Quintin: sorry, that's not a convincing argument. where's the beef? |
| 10:18.33 | Quintin | Gnea: I don't eat red meat. |
| 10:18.37 | x_link | FireFox runs good here also. |
| 10:18.40 | liable | yang: and 'ifconfig eth1 up' gives you that previous error?? |
| 10:18.42 | Gnea | Quintin: neither do i, what's your point? |
| 10:18.42 | Palish | Well, damn.. The round trip times are great, loss is 0 |
| 10:18.43 | x_link | But I don't understand why it's like this ? |
| 10:18.47 | Palish | and yet typing is not interfactive |
| 10:18.50 | Quintin | 05:17 < x_link> Segmentation fault |
| 10:18.51 | x_link | Anybody have any idea ? |
| 10:18.51 | Palish | interactive. |
| 10:18.55 | yang | liable: that is correct |
| 10:19.08 | yang | liable: so i guess i should reboot and see than? |
| 10:19.08 | x_link | Quintin: I don't know what that means =/ |
| 10:19.13 | Palish | D'you think this slow SSH thing could be a DNS problem or something |
| 10:19.13 | Palish | ? |
| 10:19.19 | liable | yang: doesnt make sense. |
| 10:19.24 | liable | yang: dont reboot |
| 10:19.24 | Gnea | x_link: it means that your program crashed |
| 10:19.32 | Quintin | Palish: What, specifically is slow? |
| 10:19.35 | yang | liable: this laptop is not in a tip.top conditions so things may be broken |
| 10:19.39 | liable | yang: try that cardctl stuff |
| 10:19.45 | Palish | Quintin: I ssh in. I press 'a'. It takes a full second for 'a' to appear on the screen. |
| 10:19.54 | Quintin | Palish: how far away are the machines? |
| 10:20.07 | liable | yang: i am not up with pcmcia stuff, cardctl may be deprecated even |
| 10:20.14 | Gnea | Quintin: what system specs are you running on? |
| 10:20.20 | Palish | Local network. If I ssh to 192.168.1.100 (the local IP), then it's very fast. If I SSH to www.zuzop.com, it becomes very slow |
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| 10:20.25 | x_link | Gnea: Ahaa okey. |
| 10:20.26 | Quintin | Gnea: coppermine 1ghz 1g ram |
| 10:20.27 | Palish | for whatever reason when it tries to use the IP that it resolves to |
| 10:20.28 | Palish | it becomes slow. |
| 10:20.30 | liable | yang: but look into resetting it with the pcmcia thingo that debian has now |
| 10:20.37 | x_link | I will reboot KDE and see if that will help |
| 10:20.43 | Gnea | Quintin: ah ok, slightly deprecated, but still functional |
| 10:20.53 | liable | Palish: try a traceroute |
| 10:20.55 | Quintin | deprecated? hah |
| 10:21.05 | Quintin | it works. :P |
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| 10:21.14 | Quintin | Palish: well don't do that then!!! |
| 10:21.19 | yang | liable: which one? |
| 10:21.21 | Gnea | Quintin: amd sempron 2ghz 512meg ram |
| 10:21.22 | Palish | it's one hop :) |
| 10:21.37 | Palish | Quintin: yeah, but as soon as I leave my house, I'm gonna wanna SSH in |
| 10:21.40 | Gnea | well, it was at 1g ram until one of the chips died |
| 10:21.40 | Palish | and it'll be horribly slow |
| 10:21.42 | Quintin | Gnea: Q ram > ur ram :) |
| 10:21.44 | liable | yang: i dont know |
| 10:22.05 | Quintin | which is sempron? the budget line? Or 64bit? I forget :P |
| 10:22.07 | yang | liable: you know since last reboot i loaded all the wi-fi stuff and ndiswrapper , amybe it didnt all load as supposed, i ll just reboot and see |
| 10:22.09 | xingu | Palish: one hop with what sort of round trip time, pingwise? |
| 10:22.22 | liable | yang: sure, cant hurt |
| 10:22.30 | Palish | 4ms |
| 10:22.37 | Palish | It's on a local network... Everything should be great |
| 10:22.57 | Palish | it's just the fact of the incoming traffic coming in on www.zuzop.com instead of 192.168.1.100 that's making it slow |
| 10:22.57 | Palish | for some reason |
| 10:22.57 | liable | erm, its not local if you go through dns |
| 10:22.57 | xingu | Palish: dns wouldn't introduce a per-character delay; this sounds like explicit traffic shaping |
| 10:23.05 | Gnea | Quintin: you still suck though. firefox lost a bit of performance when the dual-channel went to single-channel. the point is that any and all web browsers are memhogs, and opera falls into that category. |
| 10:23.19 | Quintin | Gnea: opera > firefox |
| 10:23.28 | xingu | Palish: or possibly your router's inside interface (facing the LAN) is discarding like a mofo |
| 10:23.31 | liable | Palish: so ssh to the local address/hostname |
| 10:23.39 | xingu | Palish: have you looked at its interface error counters? |
| 10:23.40 | yang | liable: do you know if there is a special shutdown procedure for LVM/crypto compiled drives? |
| 10:23.44 | Gnea | Quintin: you're still a stupid piece of shit. consider yourself /ignore'd now. |
| 10:23.52 | Palish | xingu: no, how would I do that? :) |
| 10:23.53 | liable | yang: sorry, no. |
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| 10:24.03 | shingouz | Quintin: stop complaining, you haev 1GHz of cpu there, i occasionally run firefox on P1-133 |
| 10:24.11 | shingouz | s/haev/have |
| 10:24.14 | Quintin | Gnea: er .. right! grow up. |
| 10:24.18 | jelly | Gnea: opera has a bad leak on my machine... could by they haven't tested it with 70 open tabs O:-) |
| 10:24.21 | Quintin | !lose gnea |
| 10:24.21 | dpkg | gnea: You Lose. |
| 10:24.23 | liable | yang: hal/shutdown -h now should take care of everything.. |
| 10:24.29 | noxo` | hello |
| 10:24.32 | liable | !troll Quintin |
| 10:24.35 | xingu | Palish: depends on platform; should show up if you ping it as lost packets too; fire up mtr to your host's external address, and look for lost packets |
| 10:24.37 | Quintin | shingouz: not complaining, stating fact. it runs a lot better on win32 |
| 10:24.38 | Palish | Also, if I ssh into the IP address, 71.10.165.202, instead of the local IP address, 192.168.1.100, then it's also slow |
| 10:24.51 | liable | hrm, who deleted that factoid |
| 10:24.52 | shingouz | Quintin: i would knot know, i do not run windows |
| 10:24.58 | noxo` | confidential |
| 10:25.00 | Gnea | ~troll Quintin |
| 10:25.21 | apt | ACTION hereby declares Quintin a troll |
| 10:25.21 | shingouz | damn i typo today... |
| 10:25.22 | Gnea | @troll Quintin |
| 10:25.22 | Gnea | liable: not sure |
| 10:25.24 | liable | shingouz: its been a long time, no wonder you cant type anymore :P |
| 10:25.28 | Quintin | I don't either, for some time. but when I did, I used FF.. and it's much quicker on win32. Even on slower hardware than linux machine. |
| 10:25.31 | shingouz | hah :p |
| 10:25.34 | Gnea | oh, lag |
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| 10:25.34 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:25.38 | Quintin | @troll Gnea |
| 10:25.39 | shingouz | been... busy lately |
| 10:25.57 | Palish | xingu: Loss is 0% |
| 10:26.00 | Gnea | phew |
| 10:26.23 | liable | @hi |
| 10:26.32 | Palish | I'm using a wireless-g linksys router.. I'm not sure if it could be a setting in that that's messing it up |
| 10:26.52 | Palish | I'd like to give you guys a username to SSH in with, but I honestly am ignorant of the dangers of giving out a username to anyone. |
| 10:26.57 | Palish | Even if it doesn't have root access |
| 10:27.08 | liable | simonrvn: ravenbird is dead |
| 10:27.18 | cahoot | Palish: put it in /etc/hosts? |
| 10:27.40 | Palish | cahoot: Put which? |
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| 10:28.02 | Gnea | yang: from where did you get the windows driver files from? cdrom or the net? |
| 10:28.07 | Palish | Hmm.. Loss ended up being 3% |
| 10:28.26 | shingouz | well, i must go back to being busy again. anyone know where to get 28 hour days? maybe the additional four hours would let me sleep a little each week |
| 10:28.52 | Gnea | shingouz: mars? |
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| 10:29.05 | Gnea | i think the day is a bit longer than 28 days though |
| 10:29.08 | yang | liable: Gnea I think it's a hardware error, more than anything else, becouse i keep getting HARD DRIVE erorrs, eth0 transmit error, and probably pcmcia errors aswell with it...:/ |
| 10:29.23 | shingouz | Gnea: :) |
| 10:29.24 | liable | yang: yikes |
| 10:29.46 | Gnea | yang: do you have another system you can test the nic on? |
| 10:29.59 | yang | liable: i guess, it could be a damage to the system becouse i am using a powersupply of 3 Ampere, it should be under 2 Ampere... |
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| 10:30.40 | xingu | Palish: you may see some connects to your ssh service; I'm measuring tcp segment loss. |
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| 10:31.03 | liable | yang: laptop? unplug it, unless you have already fried shit, then your fux0red |
| 10:31.04 | Quintin | Palish: You may see some connects to your httpd. I'm haxoring. |
| 10:31.29 | Quintin | 8-) I think it's past my bedtime. |
| 10:31.34 | Palish | :) |
| 10:31.38 | x_link | I couldn't start any of my programs. |
| 10:31.41 | yang | liable: sometimes all works ok , without errors, on the next boot the errors pop up, it depends |
| 10:31.43 | Palish | xingu: Did you find out which port I'm running it on? |
| 10:31.47 | Palish | Because it's not 22. |
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| 10:32.00 | Gnea | Palish: netstat -nap | grep sshd |
| 10:32.00 | x_link | Palish: It was not only my firefox, it was all other programs, like KEdit, Konsole etc. I couldn't open any of those. |
| 10:32.04 | Quintin | x_link: like any programs? Is your .Xauthority setup? |
| 10:32.04 | x_link | Sometimes that happens. |
| 10:32.07 | xingu | Palish: doesn't really matter, I'm getting RST's on that port anyway. |
| 10:32.13 | MidnightCommando | hi |
| 10:32.21 | Quintin | x_link: fix your .Xauthority |
| 10:32.22 | x_link | Quintin: brb |
| 10:32.24 | x_link | brb |
| 10:32.26 | x_link | wait for me |
| 10:32.31 | MidnightCommando | quick question .... how do i get dpkg to return the version of a package? |
| 10:32.36 | MidnightCommando | in this case, automake? |
| 10:32.37 | Palish | xingu: Wait..what? port 22 works? |
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| 10:32.42 | liable | yang: hrm, do yourself a favour and get the right power supply for starters. or even better, a known good laptop |
| 10:32.43 | Quintin | MidnightCommando: apt-cache policy packagname |
| 10:32.50 | Gnea | MidnightCommando: an installed package? |
| 10:32.56 | liable | MidnightCommando: dpkg -l foo |
| 10:32.57 | MidnightCommando | i need something _similar_ to rpm -q automake |
| 10:33.04 | liable | eww |
| 10:33.04 | Quintin | !tell MidnightCommando about version |
| 10:33.12 | xingu | Palish: I'm not talking ssh protocol, I'm just soliciting a RST from your IP stack to measure segment round trip |
| 10:33.15 | Gnea | MidnightCommando: or any old version of automake? |
| 10:33.17 | Quintin | MidnightCommando: see PM |
| 10:33.18 | Palish | ah.. Okay |
| 10:33.19 | xingu | Palish: in a nutshell, testing for fancy queueing. |
| 10:33.24 | Palish | xingu: how's it look? |
| 10:33.24 | MidnightCommando | liable: bTHANKYOU :) sorry for the necessary RPM reference.. i know it's hated |
| 10:33.29 | mick_linux | anyone know of a cool game to try on debian (i am running etch) - i'd like something like a cool 1st person shooter or something just fun :) |
| 10:33.35 | Obstfliege | is there a GUI console-tool to get information about the hdd space? |
| 10:33.38 | liable | MidnightCommando: np :) |
| 10:33.49 | mick_linux | i saw some soccer game, but is wasn't what i wanted (it was a betting game) |
| 10:34.00 | Quintin | Obstfliege: xterm -i df -h |
| 10:34.21 | Obstfliege | Quintin: thx |
| 10:34.24 | xingu | Palish: about what you'd expect; there's some jitter but nothing that would give you that kind of jitter |
| 10:34.24 | Quintin | Obstfliege: and wtf.. GUI console-tool ? it's one or other :P just use df -h |
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| 10:34.32 | Gnea | mick_linux: starfighter :) |
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| 10:34.50 | yang | liable: well i get the same error "SIOCSIFLAGS" with ifconfig eth1 up after the reboot, so i guess i am done with this case |
| 10:34.53 | mick_linux | Gnea: thanks :) |
| 10:35.01 | Obstfliege | Quintin: i mean something that displays it with ASCII Symbols |
| 10:35.22 | xingu | Palish: suggestion would be - suck it and see; it may be the access point's stack is just no good at that task (lan->nat->wan->nat->lan mangling) |
| 10:35.22 | Quintin | Obstfliege: like [************** ] or such ? |
| 10:35.28 | Obstfliege | yes |
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| 10:35.44 | Quintin | Obstfliege: write it in perl utilizing df. or bash. |
| 10:35.44 | liable | yang: google that error, i dont know the exact meaning of it, but te iface is there, so it sounds like a driver/hardware error |
| 10:36.21 | xingu | Palish: but the network layer tests as sane-ish, your last hop has about +30-40ms delay which is about right for cheap implementations of adsl |
| 10:36.21 | Palish | xingu: Let me know if the SSH is interactive for you or not |
| 10:36.22 | Obstfliege | Quintin: ok i will just use df -h ;-) |
| 10:36.27 | Palish | I just PM'ed you login info |
| 10:36.40 | Quintin | Obstfliege: or pay someone to write it. or ask someone on #perl. take them 8 seconds I bet |
| 10:37.02 | Decepticon | what cli/no-gui progs can i nab off of apt to do remote torrenting without dependency problems, and is relatively easy to use? |
| 10:37.04 | Gnea | yang: hey, is your system autoloading modules or is it using /etc/modules? |
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| 10:37.10 | liable | Palish: xingu sounds like a nice guy, but its really quite silly to give people ssh access to your box |
| 10:37.10 | xingu | Palish: not sure that's going to work; would assume that it would work until you have evidence that it isn't. |
| 10:37.11 | Obstfliege | Quintin: ok |
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| 10:37.14 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 10:37.15 | Decepticon | ^^ my question is regarding debian sarge |
| 10:37.18 | Quintin | Decepticon: rtorrent. end of discussion |
| 10:37.21 | tengulre | how to setting selinux options on debian? |
| 10:37.23 | yang | Gnea: i don't know |
| 10:37.35 | Gnea | yang: what branch is it again? |
| 10:37.43 | yang | Gnea: etch |
| 10:37.52 | xingu | liable: it's all the other fiends that have hacked root @ my notebook using their mad skills that trouble me |
| 10:38.12 | mick_linux | Gnea: i'm trying tuxracer (looks cool) -- i wonder if that is a multiplayer game :) -- it has potential |
| 10:38.14 | Palish | xingu: What do you mean? |
| 10:38.14 | Quintin | omg HAX |
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| 10:38.19 | xingu | liable: fortunately, neither he nor I are registered so his /privmsg went into the bit bucket |
| 10:38.27 | Palish | Oh. |
| 10:38.27 | yang | liable: it could also be the issue with those wireless drivers... |
| 10:38.37 | Quintin | mick_linux: tuxkart too. do you have binary drivers for your card? |
| 10:38.49 | Palish | xingu: What's your e-mail? I'll just send info to you that way. |
| 10:38.50 | Gnea | yang: okay, probably autoloading - try unloading ndiswrapper,ko and then add this to /etc/modules.conf: option ndiswrapper if_name=eth1 and reload |
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| 10:39.03 | liable | yang: try the linux bcm code |
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| 10:39.14 | xingu | Palish: better off not to be honest; just build a test case, I'd say you can be about 60% confident that it'll be acceptable |
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| 10:39.38 | Palish | xingu: What, are you saying you'll try and hax my box if I give you access? :P |
| 10:39.48 | xingu | Palish: I'd say your performance artifact is more due to two things; one, a cheap and nasty IP stack in the router; and two, doing wlan-to-wlan routing |
| 10:40.00 | Palish | Just lemme give you a SSH name, and let me know if it's interactive for you when you SSH |
| 10:40.16 | xingu | Palish: I'm saying, don't trust people you haven't met when talking to them over unencrypted and unathenticated transports |
| 10:40.16 | liable | Palish: really, please dont trust anyone you meet in irc |
| 10:40.39 | maxxle_ | I shouldn't drink so much. I can't remember how the ****** command is called that tells me with wach permissions new files are created? |
| 10:40.39 | Palish | I'm not trusting. I'm just confident that the worst thing that could happen is that he starts uploading horseporn into the directory |
| 10:40.53 | Quintin | lulz |
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| 10:40.56 | liable | Palish: get a freind to test, even windows users can use putty to ssh to your box |
| 10:41.00 | Quintin | z/lastlog -file funny |
| 10:41.08 | Palish | I have no friends, I'm emo. |
| 10:41.08 | xingu | Palish: ok well you said it; make something temporary, and truss the jail if you like |
| 10:41.16 | liable | emo? |
| 10:41.19 | Palish | I'm kidding. |
| 10:41.27 | Gnea | yang: also, does the laptop have a Fn (function) key? |
| 10:41.29 | xingu | Palish: and when I say I'm done, audit and delete. |
| 10:41.30 | liable | sure.. :P |
| 10:41.41 | Palish | xingu: k Email? |
| 10:41.48 | xingu | um. |
| 10:41.49 | yang | yes it has fn |
| 10:41.51 | xingu | see that's a probelm. :) |
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| 10:41.56 | x_link | Back |
| 10:42.05 | xingu | I love this game |
| 10:42.09 | Palish | Tell you what, free email address |
| 10:42.09 | yang | Gnea: do i remove "ndiswrapper" from /etc/modules ? |
| 10:42.21 | Palish | well, no |
| 10:42.22 | x_link | Quintin: .Xauthority How do I fix that ? |
| 10:42.23 | xingu | Palish: yeah gimme two to create something throwaway |
| 10:42.24 | Quintin | Why don't you two lovebirds DCC chat? |
| 10:42.28 | x_link | If you would like to help me. |
| 10:42.34 | Palish | I can't give you a free email address without telling you the password, and at that point the whole channel knows it anyway |
| 10:42.38 | Palish | So that's useless. |
| 10:42.44 | Quintin | x_link: I'm all helped out today. dpkg knows about it though |
| 10:42.44 | Gnea | yang: nah |
| 10:42.54 | xingu | Palish: gimme a sec to create a throwaway one, then you can send to it. |
| 10:42.54 | maxxle_ | Is 'umod' something that i search for? Filepremissions |
| 10:42.54 | d3m3ntu | hello.could some one help me to configure php5 with apache2.2 on a debian etch?is not working anymore |
| 10:42.55 | x_link | Quintin: Okey, thanks anyway. |
| 10:43.08 | xingu | and the rest of the channel can send horseporn for all I care. :) |
| 10:43.25 | maxxle_ | horseporn for u? |
| 10:43.42 | Palish | kk |
| 10:43.49 | maxxle_ | Why should someone look such things? |
| 10:44.04 | x_link | Quintin: How do I use dpkg to see about .Xauthority ? |
| 10:44.10 | yang | Gnea: wont work |
| 10:44.11 | x_link | I have never used that dpkg |
| 10:44.16 | mick_linux | this is like asteroids on staroids |
| 10:44.16 | Gnea | maxxle_: cuz some people are sick |
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| 10:44.26 | Gnea | mick_linux: it fscking rocks :) |
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| 10:44.37 | maxxle_ | Gnea: You're right - _very_ sick |
| 10:45.56 | Gnea | yang: ok, what about the function key? |
| 10:46.08 | yang | Gnea: i have fn key |
| 10:46.36 | Gnea | yang: okay, does fn+f2 have a system function assigned to it? |
| 10:47.00 | yang | Gnea: nothing happens |
| 10:47.12 | Gnea | yang: are you sure? how many times did you press it? |
| 10:47.21 | xingu | Palish: anti4nti@yahoo.com |
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| 10:47.52 | xingu | Palish: be aware that the postmaster@yahoo.com is a horse porn fetishist and can read it too. |
| 10:47.53 | yang | Gnea: twice |
| 10:48.07 | Gnea | yang: okay, is the ndiswrapper module loaded? |
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| 10:48.18 | Palish | xingu: ;) |
| 10:48.20 | Palish | Sent |
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| 10:48.58 | kalm | hello |
| 10:49.02 | xingu | Palish: yeah it's fine |
| 10:49.07 | Palish | xingu: really? o_O |
| 10:49.16 | Palish | like, there's no delays at all? |
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| 10:49.18 | xingu | Palish: about what you'd expect on 140-180ms rtt |
| 10:49.21 | yang | Gnea: loaded |
| 10:49.23 | xingu | Palish: yep, perfectly usable |
| 10:49.29 | Palish | wow. |
| 10:49.30 | kalm | i need some help... i JUST installed debian with the 180mb install and downloaded the rest |
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| 10:49.35 | kalm | i also installed kde |
| 10:49.37 | Palish | well, A), wow at the 140-180 ms rtt |
| 10:49.40 | Palish | how'd you get that figure? |
| 10:49.40 | d3m3ntu | could some one help me to configure php5 with apache2.2 on a debian etch?is not working anymore |
| 10:49.42 | Gnea | is the radio still off? |
| 10:49.46 | Gnea | yang: |
| 10:49.47 | kalm | which doesnt work with 1024 x 768 |
| 10:49.57 | xingu | Palish: remember me saying something about tcp delay metrics? :) |
| 10:50.00 | kalm | how do i make kde work with 1024 x 768? |
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| 10:50.03 | kalm | please help me |
| 10:50.04 | Palish | yeah :) |
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| 10:50.17 | xingu | Palish: ok, logged out, one invalid command, "cat /etc/hosts" in shell history |
| 10:50.23 | Gnea | !tell kalm about ask |
| 10:50.32 | xingu | Palish: please do frag that account and move your listening port. |
| 10:50.50 | kalm | allright |
| 10:50.58 | Palish | xingu: Haha. Will do. |
| 10:51.05 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:51.06 | yang | Gnea: in dmesg it says radio turned off |
| 10:51.13 | Palish | well xingu, thank ya much |
| 10:51.16 | Gnea | yang: okay - unload the module |
| 10:51.23 | Danielss89 | hi, i get an error when i try to run perl...: You don't have permission to access /mysqldumper/msd_cron/simpletest.pl on this server <--- and in the error log is the followin: Options ExecCGI is of in this directory |
| 10:51.24 | Gnea | yang: then press fn+f2 *ONCE* |
| 10:51.27 | Palish | What d'you suppose the issue is with my home network? :) Not that it matters.. there's a workaround |
| 10:51.29 | Gnea | yang: and load the module |
| 10:51.31 | Palish | just a shitty router? |
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| 10:51.51 | Danielss89 | how do i turn ExecCGI on? |
| 10:51.53 | wols_ | Palish: are you running bittorrent or anything else using a lot of upstream? |
| 10:52.01 | Palish | Like, the act of SSH'ing into localhost works, but SSH'ing into the external IP address doesn't. |
| 10:52.05 | Palish | wols_: nah |
| 10:52.06 | kalm | i have a problem with KDE as it doesnt allow 1024 x 768. i have the lates debian stable with the netinstall. i just installed it but i cant get the screen resolution i NEED, please help |
| 10:52.09 | Gnea | Danielss89: #apache |
| 10:52.13 | yang | Gnea now what |
| 10:53.02 | Gnea | yang: is the radio still off? |
| 10:53.03 | Danielss89 | thanks Gnea |
| 10:53.03 | Palish | the weird issue is that, if I try to SSH into the external IP address for my box, from my local network, it takes forever to do anything.. Very slow response |
| 10:53.03 | Palish | if I SSH into the local IP address of the box, works great. |
| 10:53.03 | Palish | If anyone else externally SSH's into my box using the external IP address, it works great. |
| 10:53.03 | kalm | please help this is SO fustrating |
| 10:53.04 | xingu | Palish: like I said, probably just a gutless little gateway between wlan and wan |
| 10:53.05 | kalm | sigh.. |
| 10:53.15 | Palish | So what was throwing me off for awhile was that I was SSH'ing into the external IP address and seeing these hugely slow response times, and I thought everyone else would get a hugely slow response too.. But that's not the case, it works fine for them. |
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| 10:53.19 | Gnea | kalm: begging for help will get you nowhere. |
| 10:53.20 | xingu | Palish: wlan->nat->wan->nat->wlan is too much for its little brain |
| 10:53.29 | yang | Gnea: i don't know, radio off only shows when i insert pcmcia inside |
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| 10:53.38 | Palish | xingu: Heh. |
| 10:53.46 | Palish | How'd you know I was on wireless anyway? ;) |
| 10:53.46 | xingu | Palish: or just possibly it has no holdq so some % of packets rx from then tx to wlan (which is a half-duplex transport) get junked |
| 10:53.55 | xingu | Palish: you said earlier. |
| 10:53.59 | Palish | ah. |
| 10:54.04 | Palish | no mysticism about it. |
| 10:54.08 | Palish | You could've freaked me out you know. |
| 10:54.11 | xingu | I mean I'm good, but not that good |
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| 10:54.19 | Palish | :D |
| 10:54.22 | xingu | I was too busy uploading horse porn |
| 10:54.27 | Palish | Yeah, I see that |
| 10:54.29 | Gnea | yang: okay, well something in the hardware or firmware is keeping the radio function off |
| 10:54.41 | The_Ball | what is the meta package needed to install all packages to have a proper build environment? |
| 10:54.53 | cydork | !b-e The_Ball |
| 10:54.53 | dpkg | The_Ball: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 10:55.09 | Palish | xingu: well, thanks a lot for your help. |
| 10:55.13 | yang | Gnea: i think i also loaded the correct ndiswrapper driver |
| 10:55.27 | xingu | Palish: I think we all learnt a valuable lesson here. :) |
| 10:55.30 | The_Ball | cydork, thanks |
| 10:55.31 | Palish | now I can enjoy my lovely fastcgi + ruby on rails server |
| 10:55.36 | Palish | on debian. Yaaay. |
| 10:55.38 | Gnea | yang: oky - do you have the proper firmware setup in the firmware dir? |
| 10:55.49 | yang | Gnea: which dir? |
| 10:56.06 | Gnea | yang: either /lib/firmware or /usr/lib/firmware |
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| 10:56.46 | yang | Gnea: its emtpy |
| 10:57.21 | Gnea | yang: hrm, what about /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware ? |
| 10:57.38 | yang | Gnea: i dont have hotplug on etch - udev instead |
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| 10:57.51 | Gnea | yang: does the directory exist or not? |
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| 10:59.31 | yang | Gnea: it exists but empty again |
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| 11:00.08 | Gnea | yang: okay cool - try extracting the firmware files there |
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| 11:00.29 | Gnea | yang: are yo using bcmwl5.sys? |
| 11:00.50 | cydork | Gnea: i think it's /lib/firmware for etch |
| 11:01.08 | Gnea | cydork: you sure? |
| 11:01.17 | Gnea | cuz i don't have a clue... |
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| 11:01.51 | cydork | Gnea: yep |
| 11:01.52 | yang | Gnea: that driver exactly |
| 11:02.16 | Gnea | yang: cool, do you have bcm43xx-fwcutter installed? |
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| 11:02.26 | pierre__ | hello |
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| 11:02.35 | yang | Gnea: nope |
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| 11:02.52 | Gnea | yang: ok - get that on there somehow |
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| 11:03.34 | pierre__ | hello, I would like configure my apache with php4 and php5, can I install libapache2-mod-php5 and libapache2-mod-php4 ? (I must set the selection of these packages in hold ? ) |
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| 11:04.05 | Gnea | yang: basically you want to extract the firmware from the .sys file and isolate it - it'll either work or it will change the type of error messages |
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| 11:05.40 | yang | Gnea: at some point i get drive errors, and TX errors...things start to fail |
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| 11:06.02 | yang | Gnea: depends on the boot procedure, sometimes is ok |
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| 11:07.01 | Gnea | yang: hrmm |
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| 11:07.37 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is it possible to install etch using floppies only ? I want to do a netinstall but the cdrom drive of this old laptop no longer works. |
| 11:07.58 | DimmuR | is there any vt320 terminal emulator software available for debian? |
| 11:09.36 | lord_rob | ok please ignore my stupid question |
| 11:09.41 | yang | Gnea: that bcm43* is not in the debian pool |
| 11:10.00 | Gnea | yang: i may have found a better solution... check http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ for documentation and then check http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=Broadcom_43xx_Linux_Driver/Debian_Unstable_with_Devicescape_802.11_stack |
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| 11:10.14 | Gnea | yang: stupid etch |
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| 11:11.00 | yang | Gnea: ok thanks, i ll read there |
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| 11:11.30 | Gnea | yang: i also just learned about #bcm-users here |
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| 11:11.53 | yongshunz | ?? |
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| 11:12.39 | Gnea | !? |
| 11:14.05 | Decepticon | why does ctrl-d log me out in a ssh session?? |
| 11:14.11 | Decepticon | how do i remove this |
| 11:14.17 | mick_linux | ok, i wazsted a good amount of time w/ startcrafter |
| 11:14.18 | Gnea | Decepticon: that's standard. |
| 11:14.30 | Decepticon | and will it interfere with functionality of screen? ie ctrl a ctrl d |
| 11:14.32 | mick_linux | lol |
| 11:14.38 | mick_linux | starfighter* |
| 11:14.58 | mick_linux | any other cool games taht i should check out :) |
| 11:15.00 | blondie | Decepticon: that's normal behaviour, and no it won't interfere |
| 11:15.04 | blondie | with screen |
| 11:15.11 | Gnea | mick_linux: yeah, i spent several hours on it before i beat it - one of the best damn linux games available |
| 11:15.24 | Decepticon | i accidentally press ctrl d too many times and then i get loged out... its very irritating |
| 11:15.40 | yang | Gnea: you know there is a module called "bcm43xx" loaded in the kernel... |
| 11:15.40 | Decepticon | id rather that i dont get logged out with ctrl d |
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| 11:16.01 | Gnea | mick_linux: apt-cache search game shooter :) |
| 11:16.16 | mick_linux | :D |
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| 11:16.24 | Quintin | mick_linux: Try Tremulous. |
| 11:16.26 | Gnea | yang: uhm, and it's been loaded while ndiswrapper has been loaded? |
| 11:16.35 | yang | Gnea: probably |
| 11:16.43 | mick_linux | Gnea: i've seen much better |
| 11:16.44 | Quintin | mick_linux: I can give you an ass-kicking right now, if you like. Also super is stratagus with Warcraft II datafiles. |
| 11:16.48 | mick_linux | on linux too ;) |
| 11:16.52 | Gnea | yang: okay, so unload both and load just ndiswrapper |
| 11:16.58 | yang | Gnea: i mean, off course it has been, becouse i never unloaded "bcm43xx" |
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| 11:17.14 | Gnea | mick_linux: same here, but i'm talking about native, *original* games ;) |
| 11:17.30 | Gnea | !beer yang |
| 11:18.08 | Decepticon | so how do i stop ctrl d from loggin me out then |
| 11:18.08 | Gnea | yang: sorry, i should've asked if it was loaded in the first place |
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| 11:18.35 | Gnea | Decepticon: try #bash |
| 11:18.42 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:18.42 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:18.43 | yang | Gnea: hehe, this is much better now |
| 11:18.50 | yang | Gnea: works |
| 11:18.54 | Gnea | yang: LMFAO |
| 11:19.45 | yang | Gnea: now how do i permanently remove bcm43xx out of the modules, to appear after boot |
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| 11:20.04 | Gnea | yang: it's not in /etc/modules? |
| 11:20.09 | yang | nope |
| 11:20.14 | Gnea | then blacklist it |
| 11:20.20 | yang | how |
| 11:20.54 | cydork | !blacklist |
| 11:20.54 | dpkg | blacklist is, like, Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 11:21.09 | blondie | !etch |
| 11:21.10 | dpkg | hmm... etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 11:21.12 | Gnea | :D |
| 11:21.46 | blondie | so is etch being released on monday? c.c |
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| 11:22.36 | Gnea | blondie: and opera will be 100% open sourced then too |
| 11:22.40 | groleo | graphical installer ? sweeet |
| 11:22.44 | Gnea | ;) |
| 11:22.54 | yang | Gnea: there is no directory /etc/hotplug/blacklist only /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d |
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| 11:23.12 | Gnea | yang: what about /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 11:23.23 | blondie | :( |
| 11:23.31 | blondie | groleo: I think it's treacherous ;) |
| 11:24.22 | yang | Gnea: ok |
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| 11:25.11 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 11:25.42 | groleo | blondie: well, it's a start :P |
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| 11:26.15 | pierre__ | hello, I would like configure my apache with php4 and php5, can I install libapache2-mod-php5 and libapache2-mod-php4 ? (I must set the selection of these packages in hold ? ) |
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| 11:27.08 | bintut | i apt-get'ed the network-manager-gnome on my debian etch laptop but i can't find the utility. how can i use that one? |
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| 11:30.20 | bintut | is there a way i can install skype on my debian etch laptop? |
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| 11:30.45 | xingu | bintut: two links for you from before; http://www.screentekinc.com/Dell-HF086.shtml <-- your panel at a guess, and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159151&page=3 ... re the 1280x800 mode |
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| 11:31.36 | bintut | xingu: hi! it's working already.. currently on 1280x800 and it's good enough for me.. thanks for your help.. :) |
| 11:32.12 | xingu | bintut: cheers. |
| 11:32.42 | bintut | by the way, i would like to thank all those who tried to help me with my desktop resolution especially to xingu, Skiver, Anarka.. i know i forgot some nicks but you know who you are and thank you.. |
| 11:32.44 | bintut | :) |
| 11:32.58 | bintut | it's dinner time here.. |
| 11:32.59 | cahoot | bintut: the standard pkg fro skype works here |
| 11:33.03 | bintut | brb.. dinner.. |
| 11:33.56 | war95 | I hit control-c during an apt-get dist-upgrade (there were 60-80 pkgs) that needed to get upgraded, now when I try to upgrade again it says everything has been upgraded? WTF :( |
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| 11:35.26 | war95 | Anyway to fix? |
| 11:36.07 | war95 | it says no new pkgs need to be upgraded |
| 11:36.09 | war95 | even though they are old |
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| 11:46.13 | cast | hmm. in order to boot a ia32 comp, you *need* a video card right? |
| 11:46.37 | xingu | cast: depends on bios |
| 11:46.55 | xingu | cast: back in the day you could set motherboard dip switches for headless |
| 11:47.12 | cast | is it a common bios option? |
| 11:47.29 | xingu | ... it's been a few years... |
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| 11:50.35 | liable | war95: update, upgrade again |
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| 11:53.36 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 11:54.10 | dooglus | how might I convert a .m4a file to .mp3 format? |
| 11:54.15 | xingu | much badness. |
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| 11:54.40 | xingu | oh well, at least the weasel saves state these days |
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| 11:55.11 | Nazcafan | I can not get gmailfs to work, however, fuse seems instaled ok since sshfs works just fine, |
| 11:55.36 | lord_rob | dooglus: I think mplayer can read m4a |
| 11:55.54 | war95 | liable: no lucl shit :( |
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| 11:56.27 | cast | Nazcafan: seems to me it's something that would likely be prone to not working |
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| 11:56.49 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 11:57.00 | bintut | anybody here uses network-manager-gnome ? |
| 11:57.34 | cast | dooglus: if mplayer can read m4a and spit out a .wav, lame will encode it to mp3 [though i suggest oggenc] |
| 11:57.40 | TolstoyInLove | dooglus, http://www.zamzar.com/ |
| 11:58.02 | bintut | how to properly use the network-manager-gnome? |
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| 12:00.06 | Decepticon | is php5-cli available on sarge via apt, or will i have to compile it and deal with dependency issues |
| 12:00.22 | cast | bintut: i'd start with less /usr/share/doc/network-manager-gnome/README but that's just me |
| 12:00.35 | liable | Decepticon: backports.org |
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| 12:01.46 | xingu | hmm, 2.6.19's snd-hda-intel I think is causing lockups |
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| 12:02.03 | bintut | cast: yeah. but, afaik network-manager has an applet on the gnome-panel which i don't have one |
| 12:02.22 | bintut | cast: how can i launch the gui of the network-manager? |
| 12:03.06 | cast | bintut: nfi, i don't use gnome. gnome has a dedicated channel though, they might answer |
| 12:03.19 | bintut | cast: ok |
| 12:03.41 | liable | bintut: really, once you learn wpa_supp and friends syntax, its much better than using the gui shits |
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| 12:04.12 | liable | Tolstoy|away: turn that off |
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| 12:05.40 | bintut | liable: i know the command line.. i'm installing this network-manager-gnome for my mom who's not really a computer literate.. |
| 12:05.59 | liable | bintut: fair 'nough |
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| 12:06.36 | Dewi | Does usermod offer a way to add somebody to a group, or do I always have to list every single one? |
| 12:06.42 | liable | though i cant imagine mom even using a network gui :P |
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| 12:06.49 | cast | groupadd user group |
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| 12:07.03 | Decepticon | ive added deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free to my sources.list... it says on the site that backports are deactivated by default, how do i tell this is true, because my backports seem to be activated |
| 12:07.04 | bintut | liable: that's probably your mom.. |
| 12:07.16 | Dewi | cast: that creates a group doesn't it? |
| 12:07.30 | cast | hmm. wait..ill check, it's groupadd or addgroup |
| 12:07.35 | liable | bintut: no, mine writes her own bash scripts |
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| 12:07.55 | liable | adduser for adding user to groups |
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| 12:08.11 | Dewi | oh |
| 12:08.12 | Dewi | adduser |
| 12:08.17 | Dewi | never would have expected that |
| 12:08.19 | Dewi | thanks guys |
| 12:08.28 | cast | addgroup username group |
| 12:08.40 | cahoot | bintut: I use it on my laptop, commented out all entries but lo in /etc/network/config an actually rebooted |
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| 12:11.31 | dooglus | thanks guys. |
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| 12:12.52 | bintut | cahoot: i don't have that file.. |
| 12:13.09 | liable | interfaces.. |
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| 12:14.07 | cahoot | bintut: right - my bad |
| 12:14.50 | bintut | liable: that's the same thing.. manually editing my interfaces |
| 12:15.28 | bintut | i installed network-manager-gnome so that i could have an automatic or easy to manage networking |
| 12:15.34 | liable | i was just giving the file name cahoot meant to say |
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| 12:16.24 | fasta | When I run glxgears (or any other OpenGL program) the X-server crashes. When I do glxinfo on the console it shows "Error: unable to open display (null)". When I run glxinfo in a terminal in X, X also crashes. Yesterday all was working fine, and I didn't remove anything since then. |
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| 12:16.47 | pumpkin0 | fasta: check the logfile. Is GLX loaded ? |
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| 12:17.33 | fasta | pumpkin0: (II) Initializing extension GLX |
| 12:17.35 | azeem | fasta: which X driver are you using? |
| 12:17.46 | fasta | azeem: nvidia |
| 12:17.58 | fasta | pumpkin0: that's the last entry containing GLX |
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| 12:18.27 | pumpkin0 | fasta: OK, so glx loads. And it´s a closed-source driver i never used. Good luck. |
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| 12:19.02 | fasta | pumpkin0: IIRC, it should contain more lines related to GLX. |
| 12:19.45 | Nazcafan | cast: so it is supposed "not to work" ? why is there a debian package, then ? |
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| 12:20.13 | fasta | pumpkin0: Can I run glxinfo when I load the nv driver? |
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| 12:21.12 | streuner | no |
| 12:21.21 | streuner | 'nv' doesn't support GLX |
| 12:21.22 | pumpkin0 | fasta: depends on the card and mesa-version. I don´t think that is the right way. The "unable to open display" sounds like a permission problem. Did you log in as userX and run glxinfo as userY ? |
| 12:21.40 | fasta | pumpkin0: no, both same user |
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| 12:22.42 | cast | Nazcafan: i'm just saying, it's inherently unreliable ;). |
| 12:23.48 | yassine | moin * |
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| 12:24.53 | yassine | i have a problem with my openldap it does needs this file : lt_dlopenext failed: (back_ldbm) back_ldbm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory and can not find it any idea where the back_ldbm.so ist located ( i mean in which package) so i can apt-get install it ? |
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| 12:25.30 | enouf | !tell yassine about search |
| 12:25.36 | xingu | seem to be ticking over at a rate of knots, so it's obviously bleating about something |
| 12:26.35 | enouf | xingu: there may be an issue with the i810 snd module in .19 .. I hate to speculate .. and not sure if I recall correctly |
| 12:26.45 | x_link | enouf: How many MHz is your RAM on? |
| 12:26.57 | enouf | x_link: steroids? :-) |
| 12:27.11 | xingu | enouf: is intel-hda I'm using |
| 12:27.14 | x_link | 533, 667, 800, 1066 ? |
| 12:27.31 | enouf | x_link: 100Mhz SDRAM .. that's the FSB speed too |
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| 12:27.49 | x_link | Okey- |
| 12:27.55 | abrotman | enouf: is that all at once? :) |
| 12:27.57 | xingu | enouf: but yeah, there's been an alsa bump of sorts mid 2.6.19-rc; and there's a chunk of differences related to timeouts for this chip |
| 12:28.00 | x_link | I had SDRAM PC100 and PC133 before as well. |
| 12:28.01 | bintut | rhythmbox doesn't play mp3.. what will i do to make it work to play mp3 files? |
| 12:28.08 | enouf | x_link: ok .. checkthe debian-kernel and debian-boot mailing lists perhaps |
| 12:28.20 | xingu | enouf: mine is certainly bleating, getting a few msi's/sec (from /proc/interrupts) |
| 12:28.24 | abrotman | bintut: should do it by default |
| 12:28.25 | enouf | xingu: i meant you .. er sorry xingu |
| 12:28.30 | enouf | baH!! |
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| 12:28.55 | xingu | enouf: so I guess it needs to say something to someone it seems; maybe the msi test in there turns something on that shouldn't be unless you're then planning on handling them. |
| 12:29.04 | yassine | enouf, dpkg gives me this : Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'back_ldbm' returned no results. |
| 12:29.07 | bintut | abrotman: not in this laptop. it really doesn't support mp3 on rhythmbox |
| 12:29.15 | enouf | abrotman: heh |
| 12:29.16 | xingu | enouf: the default is to not enable them, but I have a hunch that the test is performed regardless |
| 12:29.30 | abrotman | bintut: that's what the application does |
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| 12:30.03 | bintut | abrotman: yes, but it may don't have the support for mp3 codecs |
| 12:30.06 | xingu | enouf: I'll know inside half a day, I've had two hard lockups nicely caught by the chipset tco timer in the last 24h |
| 12:30.11 | abrotman | bintut: yes.. it does |
| 12:30.32 | bintut | abrotman: but honestly, it doesn't work here whatever i do.. :( |
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| 12:31.08 | abrotman | bintut: which versino of debian ? |
| 12:31.10 | enouf | xingu: hrmm . I see .. I don't know too much about alsa .. hope you can track down the issue and fix it |
| 12:31.16 | liable | libmad0 |
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| 12:31.34 | enouf | yassine: apt-file search <filename> |
| 12:31.35 | bintut | abrotman: debian etch |
| 12:31.46 | abrotman | bintut: do you get an error ? |
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| 12:32.27 | bintut | abrotman: Couldn't start playback: Unknown playback error |
| 12:32.41 | abrotman | do any other players work ? |
| 12:33.16 | bintut | abrotman: in totem, yes |
| 12:33.32 | abrotman | for mp3s ? |
| 12:33.51 | N0S3 | hello |
| 12:33.53 | enouf | yassine: I see .. can't find it either .. maybe not Debian .. are you running Ubuntu? |
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| 12:34.17 | bernie | hello, I would like configure my apache with php4 and php5, can I install libapache2-mod-php5 and libapache2-mod-php4 ? (I must set the selection of these packages in hold ? ) |
| 12:34.22 | yassine | enouf, im on a pure debian etch system |
| 12:34.36 | bintut | abrotman: yes, mp3 plays on totem but not in rhythmbox |
| 12:34.37 | abrotman | bernie: no |
| 12:34.46 | abrotman | bintut: checked the BTS? |
| 12:34.53 | bintut | abrotman: what's BTS? |
| 12:34.57 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:34.57 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:35.03 | bernie | abrotman, ok, any solution for install php4 and php5 ? |
| 12:35.12 | enouf | yassine: dunno .. start with apt-cache search openldap |
| 12:35.12 | bintut | abrotman: ok.. |
| 12:35.14 | yassine | enouf, i think its called somthing else :usr/lib/ldap/back_ldbm-2.2.so.7 net/slapd |
| 12:35.30 | bintut | i also can't find in my apt-cache search the win32codecs. |
| 12:35.50 | abrotman | bernie: run different apache installations ? |
| 12:35.56 | abrotman | bintut: you don't need them |
| 12:36.09 | abrotman | bintut: honestly .. that's all rhythmbox is made to do |
| 12:36.28 | bintut | abrotman: win32codecs for mplayer? |
| 12:36.30 | N0S3 | hello, i cannot find mod_proxy for apache2 in the repositories of debian , why? |
| 12:36.53 | abrotman | bintut: to do what? fix rhythmbox ? |
| 12:36.54 | bernie | abrotman, it's not clean and didn't use debian pkg |
| 12:37.21 | bintut | abrotman: definitely no. :) |
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| 12:37.42 | abrotman | bintut: are you in the audio group? |
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| 12:38.17 | bintut | abrotman: yes |
| 12:38.27 | abrotman | and you hav ea /dev/dsp ? |
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| 12:39.12 | abrotman | with BONUS POINTS for playing Eat Your Paisley |
| 12:39.29 | bernie | N0S3, ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/*proxy* |
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| 12:39.54 | bintut | # ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 12:39.55 | bintut | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-12-03 03:19 /dev/dsp |
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| 12:40.24 | bernie | bintut, id your_user |
| 12:40.24 | abrotman | bintut: can you play an ogg ? |
| 12:40.30 | Mazingaro | please I got segmentation fault on mozilla start: Starting calendar alarm service |
| 12:40.30 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars -- probably already exists |
| 12:40.30 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars_prefs -- probably already exists |
| 12:40.30 | Mazingaro | observer added |
| 12:40.30 | Mazingaro | Segmentation fault |
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| 12:40.52 | abrotman | wouldn't that be Sunbird ? |
| 12:41.21 | zOap | is there a deny application at boot list? I need nautilus for some things but I don't want it to start when I boot my computer since I use worker for my fm needs... |
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| 12:43.13 | bintut | bernie: yes, my username is a member of the audio group |
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| 12:43.25 | bintut | abrotman: yeah |
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| 12:44.48 | N0S3 | bernie: ;);) you are right |
| 12:45.01 | N0S3 | :)thanks you |
| 12:45.01 | Anarka | z0you can change that in gconf |
| 12:45.03 | pumpkin0 | does the debian-stock 2.6.18 kernel contain the squashfs-module ? |
| 12:45.04 | abrotman | bintut: can you do a strace or ltrace and see what's going on ? |
| 12:45.14 | x_link | Why does some people downclock there RAM ? |
| 12:45.18 | abrotman | pumpkin0: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep <search> |
| 12:45.26 | zOap | abrotman, maybe you can help me? I don't want nautilus to start up at boot. Gnome 2.14.. Is there a list I can put into? |
| 12:45.29 | x_link | so that the FSB and RAM has the same sync, is that better or what? |
| 12:45.54 | abrotman | zOap: nope ... i'd rather have stuff start at boot then wait for it to start when i actually want to do something :) |
| 12:46.27 | Anarka | zOap /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop |
| 12:46.27 | zOap | abrotman, ok, problem is I have little ram installed on this comp and want to save as much as possible,,, |
| 12:46.32 | Anarka | in gconf |
| 12:46.42 | zOap | Anarka, aah, thanks:) |
| 12:46.52 | Anarka | check the rest of the options |
| 12:47.01 | abrotman | x_link: power consumption? stability? |
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| 12:48.47 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: that does not work if the thing is not installed. ... downloading it it check. |
| 12:48.51 | x_link | abrotman: Okey, have you done that? |
| 12:49.04 | abrotman | no |
| 12:49.07 | x_link | Okey. |
| 12:49.08 | abrotman | pumpkin0: oh .. use apt-file |
| 12:49.11 | enouf | x_link: many ricers with newer hardwrae are o/cers .. ergo funking with RAM and FSB and HTT timings |
| 12:49.13 | abrotman | pumpkin0: or packages.debian.org |
| 12:49.23 | x_link | enouf: Okey. |
| 12:50.52 | abrotman | for more info .. ask #hardware |
| 12:52.41 | enouf | pumpkin0: saw a recent thing about squashfs and unionfs on the kernel channel concerning .19 but maybe only ARM related .. that's all I know |
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| 12:53.36 | enouf | x_link: for official windoof weenies that like to o/c and play with such things .. see dfi-street.com |
| 12:54.00 | pumpkin0 | enouf: well, it´s not in 2.6.18. Compiling will take some time, brb |
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| 12:54.34 | bintut | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=373154 |
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| 12:55.39 | abrotman | bintut: that's your bitrate .. not playback |
| 12:55.48 | enouf | someone tell pumpkin0 when he returns .. "should we disable building squashfs on arm until the maintainer can look into it? otherwise l-m-e-2.6 is going to be held up until we get a fix for that" (note: l-m-e == linux module extensions) .. |
| 12:56.13 | abrotman | !squashfs |
| 12:56.16 | abrotman | !squash |
| 12:56.29 | enouf | Also tell pumpkin0 --> "unionfs currently also don't build, needs a fix in linux-2.6" |
| 12:56.42 | abrotman | enouf: /msg memoserv help :) |
| 12:56.52 | enouf | abrotman: ahh .. |
| 12:58.07 | xingu | enouf: ... speaking of kernel packing nits... while peering into the bowels of initramfs-tools last night I discovered that there's no hook for firmware files, it's completely ex-scope |
| 12:58.36 | enouf | xingu: right .. heard some bird talking about that muself :-) |
| 12:58.38 | xingu | enouf: of course you can roll your own as a hook script, but it seems to me that usr/lib/firmware is of an equivalent order to usr/lib/modules |
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| 12:59.09 | enouf | xingu: DFSG .. I presume .. |
| 12:59.28 | xingu | enouf: yep; there's high order helper functions in initramfs-tools for dealing with modules explicitly |
| 12:59.32 | xingu | enouf: just not firmware |
| 12:59.59 | enouf | xingu: I see .. isn;t there a fwcutter util or somesuch? |
| 13:00.00 | xingu | enouf: oh, "is the firmware dfsg" - probably not, it never is. :) |
| 13:00.32 | xingu | enouf: different problem; issue is getting the contents of rootfs' usr/lib/firmware across onto the initramfs |
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| 13:01.41 | abrotman | there's fwcutter for bcm43xx |
| 13:01.46 | enouf | xingu: no ,.. I mean the dfsg is what dictates what support does and doesn't go into Debian kernels and packages .. |
| 13:01.47 | abrotman | !find fwcutter sid |
| 13:01.49 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 20060501-5 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 13:02.07 | enouf | abrotman: it's only for the bcm43xx then? |
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| 13:02.08 | xingu | enouf: firmware-ipw3945 in this case but it's a generic problem class |
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| 13:02.24 | abrotman | enouf: seems implied eh ? :) |
| 13:02.41 | xingu | enouf: it's not specific to the firmware image; there's literally no high order way to tell update-initramfs to haul across firmware too. |
| 13:02.46 | enouf | throws hands up in the air with disgust over proprietarey madness ... <shakes fist!> |
| 13:02.55 | xingu | enouf: short of writing a hook helper to do it |
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| 13:03.28 | enouf | xingu: maybe linux-module-extensions helps in this way? |
| 13:03.37 | xingu | could be, that's a new one on me |
| 13:03.43 | enouf | xingu: me too .. |
| 13:04.24 | eggleston | hm... i recently changed graphics card, and there were some X issues, i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and now GDM will load, but my workspace switcher and my window selector don't |
| 13:04.33 | x_link | I just have this last question, then I will not ask anymore. I promise. |
| 13:04.47 | x_link | Like I said before I will soon build a machine. it will be a very good machine. |
| 13:04.54 | abrotman | eggleston: keymap issue ? |
| 13:05.09 | x_link | And then I have this AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 2GHz, 1GB ddr 400MHz RAM, etc. |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | aren't you fancy! |
| 13:05.24 | eggleston | abrotman, no idea. |
| 13:05.27 | eggleston | !keymap |
| 13:05.28 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 13:05.32 | x_link | I want to have Windows XP Pro SP2 on one of the machine, the windows machine will be my movie, music, downloading machine. |
| 13:05.43 | enouf | x_link: do you even know what that 2Ghz munber means? |
| 13:05.46 | x_link | Would you install Windows XP Pro SP2 on the new machine or on this AMD Athlon XP 2600+ ? |
| 13:05.50 | enouf | number* |
| 13:06.21 | abrotman | eggleston: i'm wondering if your keys got screwed up in X .. and it doesn't recognize your keymap anymore for ctrl-alt-leftarrow etc |
| 13:06.21 | x_link | enouf: I just wanted to say what kind of machine this is. |
| 13:06.21 | x_link | So you would know. |
| 13:06.21 | enouf | x_link: I know .. just playing :-) |
| 13:06.29 | x_link | enouf: No, I don't know what that number means =) |
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| 13:06.33 | x_link | enouf: What would you done? |
| 13:06.39 | eggleston | abrotman, the keyboard itself is working fine, but the workspace switcher is a little icon in the ton right of the screen and the bar thingie that lets me select window focus is also gone |
| 13:06.49 | abrotman | eggleston: readd it ? |
| 13:06.50 | enouf | throw away Xpoop .. you asked :-P |
| 13:06.54 | x_link | Cause I will STILL use Debian. But I just don't know if I should run Debian on this machine or the new one. |
| 13:06.57 | abrotman | eggleston: it's an applet |
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| 13:07.20 | valdyn | x_link: why would you use windows at all for movies,music,downloading? |
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| 13:07.37 | x_link | valdyn: I just need a Windows machine. |
| 13:07.46 | abrotman | so use one .. don't ask us about it |
| 13:08.06 | wols_ | valdyn: so he'd only infringe on copyrights and not on patents too |
| 13:08.10 | x_link | Ahh forget about it. |
| 13:08.15 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 13:08.15 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 13:08.31 | valdyn | x_link: use that site above ^^ , see which box is supported fully by linux |
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| 13:08.51 | enouf | x_link: Install the Xpoop on older box and run Debian on newer .. you'll learn more while installing (depending on how new the hardware is) .. and you will then move away form the windoofus world |
| 13:09.00 | x_link | enouf: hehe |
| 13:09.03 | yassine | enouf, apparently its a bug :(( : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392747 |
| 13:09.16 | enouf | x_link: but do NOT install xpoop until you get the new install up and running |
| 13:09.22 | nonix4 | Hmm, any prog good for removing all attachments from certain mail folders on an IMAP server? |
| 13:09.25 | abrotman | yassine: is your double chin frowning too ? |
| 13:09.32 | enouf | yassine: ahh .. good ol' BTS to the rescue |
| 13:09.47 | yassine | upgrading slapd drops ldbm supports |
| 13:09.52 | abrotman | nonix4: that's usually an client task .. like thunderbird can do it |
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| 13:10.03 | x_link | enouf: The thing is that I will maybe start playing games, so that's one of the reasons why I want a windows machine + that my girlfriend can use the Windows machine and NOT the Linux machine. |
| 13:10.12 | nonix4 | abrotman: for 500+ mails per folder? |
| 13:10.18 | abrotman | nonix4: perl! |
| 13:10.20 | yassine | abrotman, sorry what do you mean ? |
| 13:10.30 | wols_ | nonix4: perl. or any other script language of your choice |
| 13:10.49 | nonix4 | wols_: Hmm... that has some IMAP bindings, you mean :) |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | nonix4: i'd ask the channel for your IMAP server |
| 13:11.07 | abrotman | nonix4: maildir is just text files .. you can use anyhting to do it .. you don't need a library |
| 13:11.19 | enouf | x_link: that's all I have to say about it .. :-) |
| 13:11.20 | abrotman | nonix4: the attachment is denoted by a boundary marker |
| 13:11.21 | eggleston | abrotman, i managed to readd my workspace switcher, show desktop top button, but not the one down the bottom where you click on the tab for the window you want open |
| 13:11.26 | wols_ | I need a userland tool to do setrlimit syscall stuff. I need to set limits to a cpu process |
| 13:11.28 | nonix4 | abrotman: stupid univ server w/ no nfs access these days |
| 13:11.33 | wols_ | what tool can I use? |
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| 13:11.38 | eggleston | abrotman, it does not appear to be an appelt in that menu |
| 13:11.39 | x_link | enouf: Ahhm you mean if Debian will supports the devices in the new machine. ok |
| 13:11.41 | abrotman | eggleston: huh ? |
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| 13:11.44 | valdyn | !limits |
| 13:11.49 | valdyn | !ulimit |
| 13:12.02 | abrotman | !limit |
| 13:12.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, limit is iptables -t nat -N LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST,ACK SYN -j LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -m limit --limit 2/sec --limit-burst 8 -j RETURN; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -j DROP |
| 13:12.05 | abrotman | whoa |
| 13:12.08 | abrotman | not right! |
| 13:12.08 | valdyn | hah |
| 13:12.23 | valdyn | wols_: ulimit |
| 13:12.35 | x_link | bbl |
| 13:12.37 | x_link | reading time |
| 13:12.51 | abrotman | eggleston: this is in gnome ? |
| 13:13.12 | eggleston | abrotman, i don't know how to explain what i'm trying to add, because i don't know what it's name is, but it's standard and there's one on windows all windows versions aswell, it's the little bar next to the start button that has a list of all the available windows, you click which you want focused |
| 13:13.14 | enouf | x_link: the newer kernels do .. but maybe you should get more aquainted with GNU/Linux first.. and perhaps your new system would have Xpoop pre-installed .. so inverse my last response :-P |
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| 13:13.20 | eggleston | abrotman, yes gnome |
| 13:13.34 | abrotman | eggleston: oh .. i know what you mean .. no clue on the name .. hold on |
| 13:13.51 | abrotman | eggleston: "Window Selector" .. i think is what you want |
| 13:14.03 | wols_ | valdyn: somehow I doN't think ulimit can take advantage of this patch http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/26/11 |
| 13:14.26 | abrotman | wols_: just stand next to the process with a billy club .. if it gets out of line .. hit it |
| 13:15.02 | eggleston | abrotman, nope, tried that, it's something different. |
| 13:15.09 | abrotman | eggleston: that's the one that does it for me |
| 13:15.32 | eggleston | abrotman, crap. maybe it is the right applet but it's just not working. |
| 13:15.33 | abrotman | eggleston: task switcher ? |
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| 13:15.44 | eggleston | abrotman, i don't see task witcher |
| 13:15.50 | abrotman | it's called .. uhm |
| 13:16.01 | abrotman | Window List ? |
| 13:16.29 | abrotman | after that .. i'm out of ideas :) |
| 13:16.36 | abrotman | the only other applet i have is deskbar |
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| 13:17.57 | enouf | wols .. would nice/renice help out at all? atleast to raise/lower priority |
| 13:18.35 | eggleston | abrotman, oh no i just swtiched desktops a few times and tried switching windows and now windows list is doing it. thanks for the help though. |
| 13:18.52 | abrotman | eggleston: enjoy :) |
| 13:18.55 | liable | abrotman: round? |
| 13:19.08 | abrotman | liable: i'm a bit taller than wider .. i think |
| 13:19.36 | enouf | liable: he was squashed earlier .. but I restretched him back out like taffy |
| 13:19.44 | liable | atm maybe.. |
| 13:19.45 | enouf | :-) |
| 13:19.48 | abrotman | don't tug there! |
| 13:19.54 | enouf | ouch |
| 13:19.59 | liable | he''l get goo al over you |
| 13:20.06 | liable | oh dear |
| 13:20.46 | abrotman | and all that without a sheep comment! |
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| 13:20.46 | enouf | is proud of abrotman for refraining |
| 13:20.46 | liable | for once.. |
| 13:21.18 | enouf | baaaahhhttt I'm new at his .. soo .. |
| 13:21.27 | enouf | this* |
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| 13:21.43 | wols_ | enouf: it will not help. i need fairly isochronous running of a process at 50% cpu capacity max |
| 13:21.43 | enouf | netsplit |
| 13:21.43 | abrotman | he's new at causing netsplits ? |
| 13:21.52 | enouf | kiwis gone wild |
| 13:21.54 | liable | heh |
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| 13:22.04 | liable | i am not a fucking kiwi |
| 13:22.04 | creature | How easy is it to undelete something? |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | wols_: do you hvae two cpus ? |
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| 13:22.11 | creature | I've just rm'ed something I meant to vi. |
| 13:22.11 | wols_ | no I don't |
| 13:22.15 | creature | I'm on an ext3 filesystem. |
| 13:22.19 | abrotman | no cpu affinity for you :) |
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| 13:22.31 | wols_ | I don't need affinity |
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| 13:22.35 | abrotman | creature: get yoru backup |
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| 13:22.44 | wols_ | I need a process that only gets 50% cpu. different thing |
| 13:22.44 | enouf | eats kiwifruit regularly .. and really likes them |
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| 13:22.56 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 13:22.56 | dpkg | undelete is probably great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 13:22.57 | creature | abrotman: I don't have one for this. |
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| 13:23.08 | creature | I can get the thing again, but it'll take a while. |
| 13:23.13 | itchi | enouf: Heh, my trouble there with the unknow symbols when loading that module for my sata hdd is gone. I had need to recompile the kernel an activate scsi support and add my driver in the kernel and now he is been detected as an sda and no more as an hda |
| 13:23.20 | teledyn | why do all the HW vendors now require closed firmware? did anyone predict this would happen? how severe is the problem? |
| 13:23.22 | creature | I was wondering if the effort of undeleting it would be more or less than redownloading it. |
| 13:23.47 | wols_ | creature: less. undeleting won't guarantee the exact data |
| 13:24.10 | wols_ | less certain I mean |
| 13:24.13 | itchi | There's testdisk that do unbelieving work |
| 13:24.31 | creature | Ah well, I'll snag it from the web again. |
| 13:24.33 | creature | Thanks. |
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| 13:25.31 | enouf | itchi: is it working now? |
| 13:25.40 | itchi | enouf: yup yup yup :-) :-) |
| 13:25.49 | valdyn | wols_: there's a cap tool http://www.tls-technologies.com/CPU/cpu-download.html, but it does look like it might not work with your patch |
| 13:25.59 | lord_rob | Is etch frozen ? |
| 13:26.03 | enouf | itchi: sweet .. make sure /etc/fstab reflects those changes (sda instead of hda) |
| 13:26.12 | enouf | lord_rob: not yet |
| 13:26.23 | enouf | er ..AFAIK |
| 13:26.23 | itchi | enouf: Is kinda faster right now, an scp from another box is now 11Mb sec, while it was eeeuuhhmm 2MB max(when he was happy) |
| 13:26.40 | enouf | itchi: sweet .. with sugar on top :-) |
| 13:26.58 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, and /boot/grub/menu.lst too :-) Saw that, was a bit in the shit, but easy to solve ;-) |
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| 13:27.33 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, i have added the whole steps on the article i write, hope's it not become to big and affraid the people :-) |
| 13:27.39 | wols_ | valdyn: yes it'S for 2.4 |
| 13:27.43 | lord_rob | I'm installing etch on an old laptop P200MMX 64 megs of ram, using the floppy installer. It seems to work well :) |
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| 13:27.54 | enouf | itchi: well grub doesn't differentiate between sata/scsi/pata (hd0,0) .. but yes the root cmdline would need updating :-) |
| 13:28.23 | itchi | enouf: Yes, that only line that will suck to boot the system, haha |
| 13:28.28 | enouf | itchi: excellent .. thanks for helping :-) |
| 13:28.37 | itchi | enouf: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 |
| 13:28.44 | enouf | lessee |
| 13:28.58 | itchi | enouf: Hope's it's complete en clear, like i'm bad to write |
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| 13:29.48 | itchi | linux on laptp and tuxmobile takes time to add it to his database, have send it a bit more than a week, it's not yet added it's looks |
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| 13:30.10 | enouf | itchi: perhpas we can help you proofread it .. also consider submitting it to the Laptop sites (tuxmobile.org, linux-mobile.net) |
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| 13:30.36 | enouf | itchi: or maybe it's just "linking" to and from those sites |
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| 13:31.16 | itchi | enouf: Yup, it's already submitted, need to wait now it's approved |
| 13:31.43 | liable | they usually dont take longer than a week |
| 13:31.51 | liable | or so |
| 13:32.08 | itchi | liable: Or is it just lesser than a week, hhhm i'm near |
| 13:32.37 | itchi | liable: I no more rember which date exactly i send it. Tuxmobile gona send a mail normally when it's done |
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| 13:34.21 | itchi | No mail :-( |
| 13:34.58 | itchi | It's an question of some days i guess |
| 13:35.39 | itchi | hhhmm, on tuxmobile it is already add, baw and i got no mail haha |
| 13:36.14 | rumpl | What is the less paintfull way of removing all X (I mean all the x libs the server, all all all)? |
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| 13:36.23 | itchi | linux on laptop looks slower to proceed, i had send i to his 2 days before on tuxmobile |
| 13:36.41 | rosen37_ | please I have a prob at the boot : Kernel must be loaded before booting , how to resolve this prob? |
| 13:37.04 | itchi | rosen37_: Look to your /boot/grub/menu.lst ?? |
| 13:37.06 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 13:37.06 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
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| 13:38.06 | itom | there is a way (like Alt+F1) in Gnome to open automatically the main menu? |
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| 13:38.11 | itchi | There's an new entry on tuxmobile -> Debian :-p |
| 13:38.47 | rumpl | thanks valdyn this was what I need |
| 13:39.04 | valdyn | itchi: the menu key |
| 13:39.20 | valdyn | itom: the menu key |
| 13:39.26 | itchi | itom: Look in desktop / Preference / shortcut Keyboard |
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| 13:40.11 | itom | I know; I search a "script" or a command to open automatically (without human interaction) |
| 13:40.41 | itchi | itom: See white magie :-) |
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| 13:41.30 | itom | itchi, white magie?? |
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| 13:41.42 | itchi | itom: Or black if you preffer haha |
| 13:41.54 | itchi | itom: Sorry i dunno ;-) |
| 13:42.24 | itchi | itom: If there was an direct keybindig to open that menu, it should then not so be complicated |
| 13:42.25 | itom | because the menu of gnome is too slow and I search a method to pre-load it at the startup |
| 13:42.52 | itchi | itom: hhhmm, you need to desactivate some gfx effects maybe |
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| 13:43.10 | itchi | itom: But, how many RAM have you? |
| 13:43.22 | itom | 1GB and Athlon3000+ |
| 13:43.33 | itchi | itom: You have a problem |
| 13:43.35 | schme | Heya. I have my Debian system on sda3 and now I really want it all on sda4 . Is there any easy way to do this? |
| 13:43.45 | bintut | how can i apt-get install gnome minimally without gnumeric, abiword, gnome-games, etc? |
| 13:43.53 | itchi | itom: On my old laptop 300MHz is was /near/ fast |
| 13:44.02 | lord_rob | bintut: use aptitude for example |
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| 13:44.14 | h3sp4wn | bintut: gnome-core |
| 13:44.28 | itchi | itom: Is your 3D up and running? |
| 13:44.50 | bintut | h3sp4wn: you mean, gnome-core will not install the other dependencies of gnome? |
| 13:44.55 | itom | I've installed Nvidia driver and games with 3d work well |
| 13:45.17 | itchi | itom: Have you swap partition? |
| 13:45.32 | itom | itchi, yes 1GB of swap |
| 13:45.45 | bintut | in gentoo, there's a gnome-light where it installs the minimal gnome |
| 13:45.46 | itchi | itom: With another user, same trouble? |
| 13:45.50 | h3sp4wn | bintut: Pretty much |
| 13:45.55 | itom | itchi, all of my friends |
| 13:45.56 | enouf | schme: likely not .. since sda4 would "likely" be your ext'd partition container for ensuing Logicals .. but it depends on you actual disk layout |
| 13:46.06 | itchi | itom: ug, realy not normal |
| 13:46.21 | bintut | h3sp4wn: thanks.. |
| 13:46.28 | itchi | itom: On your box, when you try that with another new created used, same case? |
| 13:46.33 | schme | enouf: 4 primary partitions |
| 13:46.33 | itom | itchi, see in google that is a problem of the gnome menu (when you install many programs) |
| 13:46.40 | itchi | itom: s/used/user/ |
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| 13:46.56 | itchi | itom: I have tons of stuff here |
| 13:47.06 | itom | itchi, the same pc with kde menu with same stuff is fast |
| 13:47.09 | h3sp4wn | bintut: most of the junk comes from gnome-office and gnome-desktop-enviroment (apt-cache depends gnome ; apt-cache depends gnome-core) |
| 13:47.26 | bintut | h3sp4wn: yeah, you're right.. :) |
| 13:47.28 | itchi | itom: Strange, i not have this trouble. Wich release runs you? |
| 13:47.35 | teledyn | wow i just read about ralink and their GPLed wifi drivers! |
| 13:47.51 | itom | itchi, debian testing |
| 13:47.57 | itchi | itom: Same here |
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| 13:48.34 | itchi | itom: I dunno what's happend, but believe it, i have many many stuff installed, and it runs still soooo fast :-) |
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| 13:49.16 | itchi | itom: Strange because Gnome is lighter than KDE, if it's was otherwise i had could believe it, not so |
| 13:49.43 | itom | itchi, mine is fast (but the first time that I use it when pc restart is slow, like 2-3seconds) |
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| 13:50.11 | itchi | itom: Whoooaa, click and his was already open, here |
| 13:50.31 | itchi | itom: Have you that troulbe be all your friends? |
| 13:51.05 | enouf | schme: i see .. well then maybe something like this :: boot a Live CD, then create /mnt/points (mkdir /mnt/Asda3 and mkdir /mnt/Bsda4) , then chroot /mnt/Asda3 , then cp -a /mnt/Asda3/* /mnt/Bsda4/ .. something like that .. but make BACKUPS prior |
| 13:51.27 | itom | itchi, I've installed debian to many pc and I noticed the same problem; at the first time that you run Gnome desktop when pc start the main menu is slow to open; the second, third.. n is fast(immediate open) |
| 13:51.58 | blondie | caching innit |
| 13:52.15 | schme | enouf: Ya. That is what I was considering. Will give it a shot when the backups are done. Thanks for the feedback. |
| 13:52.16 | itom | itchi, when you restart your system and load gnome-desktop; try the menu and notice how time take to open; I bet that is slow |
| 13:52.36 | enouf | schme: ok .. wish you well.. |
| 13:52.57 | itchi | itom: hhhmm, maybe it is on the same time when somethings is still doing somethings in the background then, like making the needed .gnome files for example. I had understand that it was everytime. Maybe try to look with top, ps, when that happends, so you see what exactly is doing |
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| 13:53.43 | itom | itchi, I try to "monitor" this :) |
| 13:54.01 | itchi | itom: It should be an little detail |
| 13:54.17 | enouf | itchi: you do pretty darn good .. just keep practicing .. you'll get it ... and most 1337 warez script kiddie h4X0Rz types write much worse :-P |
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| 13:54.39 | wolaoye | i have installed clamav but not know how to start it. it is not on kde menu and the doc is not helpful. |
| 13:54.49 | itchi | enouf: Thanks for the 'soutien' (fr) (support??) |
| 13:54.53 | itom | itchi, but (believe me) try-it in your first restart of your system |
| 13:55.26 | itchi | enouf: Debian and the people here have learn me many great things, realy many :-) |
| 13:55.27 | enouf | wolaoye: sudo updatedb .. then 'which clamav' |
| 13:55.32 | bintut | good night.. i have to go to sleep now.. thanks all.. :) |
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| 13:55.53 | wolaoye | enouf: k, thks. |
| 13:56.13 | omarkj | wolaoye: enouf has a point, but there might be a run file in /etc/init.d/ |
| 13:56.21 | omarkj | Or whatever these files are called. |
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| 13:56.46 | enouf | wolaoye: though I never used it .. so .. the /usr/bin/<exec-name> may be different .. use 'locate clam' to find the docs on your HDD for more reading |
| 13:57.59 | wolaoye | enouf: after updatedb, 'which clamav' gives a blank line. |
| 13:58.06 | enouf | wolaoye: and to find eventhe exec's and such (as in /etc/init.d and th /etc/rc?.d/* symlinks and /etc/rcS.d enttry) |
| 13:58.21 | enouf | wolaoye: ok .. locate clam |
| 13:58.23 | liable | wolaoye: if you have a personal box, clamav is pointless, its meant as a filter for mail servers serving windows boxen |
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| 14:00.35 | wolaoye | liable: clamav can't be used for desktop? to check for virus in email, say? |
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| 14:01.26 | liable | wolaoye: theres no known circulating linux viruses. so yeah, its no point on a desktop. |
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| 14:01.43 | omarkj | wolaoye: It can be used to scan incoming and outgoing mail, sure, no problem. |
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| 14:02.02 | liable | read the description of it... |
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| 14:02.34 | liable | The main purpose of this software is the integration with mail servers (attachment scanning). |
| 14:02.58 | enouf | liable: though wolaoye's prolly doesn't fir into this category .. there are those of us who "play" with lame win virus code .. to check out it's payload, see it's course run in WINE perhaps , etc |
| 14:03.10 | enouf | wolaoye: /msg dpkg clamav |
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| 14:03.33 | liable | enouf: and how will clamav help in that case? |
| 14:03.41 | yassine | my ldap is complaining about : gohard.schema: No such file or directory any idea where i can get thge schema from ? |
| 14:04.13 | enouf | liable: it'll show you where the files are? which ones to follow up on? .. I never used it |
| 14:05.05 | wolaoye | omarkj: that's what i have in mind. fr 'locate clamav', i see there are clam-base, clamavmon, clamav-freshclam...it is one single program. |
| 14:05.21 | liable | enouf: i think your average, reasonably switched on linux user can spot a virus ladden email a mile off.. usually the ones with the .zip attachment :P |
| 14:05.27 | wolaoye | not one single program. |
| 14:06.36 | enouf | liable: hehe .. yeah .. and even the ,rtf and .doc .gif extensions as well .. some even do a _______________.scr "here's a l33t screensaver" |
| 14:07.11 | wolaoye | we folks in linux don't have to be bothered with virus, is that true? |
| 14:07.24 | liable | yes |
| 14:07.27 | omarkj | wolaoye: Not yet at least. : ) |
| 14:07.34 | omarkj | (Waiting...) |
| 14:07.39 | heh_v_water | wolaoye, clamscan /director/file or clamscan /directory |
| 14:07.54 | enouf | wolaoye: don't you need experimental/volatile repos? to use that? .. where and how diud you get it (clamav) form |
| 14:07.58 | enouf | from* |
| 14:08.11 | heh_v_water | clamav is from all three including stable |
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| 14:08.26 | heh_v_water | I use it "with my mail servers" |
| 14:08.28 | wolaoye | heh_v_water: i think i remember that now. clamscan. |
| 14:08.39 | wolaoye | enouf: clamav is avail in etch. |
| 14:08.49 | heh_v_water | it's in stable |
| 14:08.56 | enouf | wolaoye: yes .. but to keep it updated ... I mean |
| 14:08.57 | omarkj | wolaoye: Anyway, if you want to scan any incoming mail you'll need a "plug in" for your email client, or call clamscan for every incoming mail. |
| 14:09.04 | liable | yes, but the DB and engine is old |
| 14:09.11 | liable | thats what volatile is for |
| 14:09.16 | heh_v_water | you use debian volatile to keep it updated.. freshclam updtes a few times a day |
| 14:09.20 | enouf | nods at liable |
| 14:09.32 | enouf | and heh_v_water |
| 14:09.47 | wolaoye | heh_v_water just mention that one can scan for virus in dir/files with clamscan. |
| 14:10.01 | heh_v_water | yep |
| 14:10.40 | liable | wolaoye: really, unless you are running a mail server, you can quite happily forget about viruses |
| 14:11.08 | heh_v_water | see the reason you would use it for files and fodlers is say.. you have a samba share or soemthing.. you can scan the files with a cron job to try to stop win users from dropping infected files into it |
| 14:11.22 | heh_v_water | ftp too |
| 14:11.30 | liable | well, thats a fair point |
| 14:11.42 | liable | but it wont hurt your box at any rate |
| 14:11.45 | heh_v_water | yah about the only one.. :) |
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| 14:11.51 | enouf | wolaoye: many ppl homogenize GNU/Linux with XPoop .. therefore sharing files "can be" a means of infection for winpoop lusers |
| 14:11.54 | heh_v_water | yah the linux machine is safe |
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| 14:12.49 | wolaoye | just tried clamscan on a dir. it works. it also shows that it knows about 79585 viruses. |
| 14:13.11 | enouf | wolaoye: heh_v_water said it better , norwe succinctly :-) |
| 14:13.24 | enouf | s/nowre/more .. wtf? |
| 14:13.34 | heh_v_water | hehe |
| 14:13.45 | enouf | fat fingers .. :-( |
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| 14:14.16 | enouf | actually just big hands .. but we won't go there right now :-) |
| 14:14.23 | waxhead | I have set up two xorg.conf files. one for each gfxcard. I can startx -- :1 xorgdisplay2.conf and get X on the other gfxcard (and monitor). However when I switch ctrl+alt+Fn to switch to a X session on another gfxcard the other gets black (or garbled). Is there a way to run both simultaneously? |
| 14:14.24 | heh_v_water | ha! |
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| 14:15.26 | wolaoye | thks fellows, at least i feel safe when i have a means to check for virus if in doubt. |
| 14:15.31 | abrotman | waxhead: man X .. is there a --config-file option or anything ? |
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| 14:16.18 | waxhead | abrotman: yes I used the startx -- :1 -config xorgdisplay2.conf as stated |
| 14:16.25 | abrotman | okay |
| 14:16.34 | heh_v_water | my boss forces me to run a virus scanner on linux "just in case" I just say okie and giggle when she leaves the room |
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| 14:16.44 | abrotman | you can set X to start on both at boot |
| 14:16.54 | enouf | waxhead: one AGP, one PCI? or Dual Head , or SLI? or Crossfire? or.. |
| 14:16.56 | abrotman | waxhead: sounds like it might be a driver issue |
| 14:17.04 | waxhead | One agp, one PCI :) |
| 14:17.20 | waxhead | I use the nv display driver that comes with debian... |
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| 14:17.40 | waxhead | btw: I'm pretty fresh when it comes to linux :) |
| 14:17.54 | enouf | waxhead: you may have a hardware resource issue .. to be able to use both at the same time |
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| 14:18.37 | waxhead | I can use both display adapters on Winblows at the same time including the dualhead support. And it also works in linux except when i switch tty or whatever it's called with ctrl+alt+Fn the screen get blanks |
| 14:18.45 | yassine | normally the gohard.schema should be shipped with slapd schemas and i have slapd installed but and i cant not find the gohard.schema in my system and slapd neither any ideas guys ? |
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| 14:20.06 | enouf | waxhead: you're displaying different things .. not combining for a dual monitor setup.. right? er .. In think :0.0 and :0.1 would be used for an 'extended' display setup using the same Xserver in that case I suppose |
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| 14:20.32 | enouf | waxhead: I see .. |
| 14:20.40 | waxhead | ok . I'm trying to run two separate X servers (two independent users) |
| 14:20.42 | solemnwarning | Is etch stable still on track to be released this month? |
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| 14:20.45 | abrotman | xinerama |
| 14:20.48 | Hoxzer | has somebody here experienced any problems with rt2x00-driver compile in debian stable? |
| 14:20.52 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 14:20.52 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 14:20.54 | Ronin | solemnwarning: ish |
| 14:21.19 | abrotman | if they're lucky :) |
| 14:21.31 | enouf | waxhead: right .. I dinno what's wrong offhand ..when you drxx .. did you enable framebuffer support? |
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| 14:22.03 | enouf | !tell waxhead about drxx |
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| 14:23.33 | yassine | enouf, any idea for me ? |
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| 14:24.03 | enouf | abrotman: Ihear ppl having issues with that .. like bigtime (maybe my ears need cleaning) .. but also there's something like this http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:24.11 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 14:24.25 | enouf | abrotman: xinerama |
| 14:24.36 | abrotman | it's not easy |
| 14:24.59 | enouf | yassine: no idea .. can you find anything at all about gohard.theme ? on google whatever? |
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| 14:25.45 | abrotman | !find gohard sarge |
| 14:25.50 | enouf | abrotman: waxhead; et al , just some more dmx info/reading http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/os-mltihed/index.html |
| 14:26.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gohard' (2): (/etc/ldap/schema/gohard.schema) in web/gosa-schema ;; (/usr/share/doc/gosa/contrib/openldap/gohard.schema) in web/gosa. |
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| 14:26.20 | abrotman | !tell yassine about search |
| 14:26.48 | enouf | abrotman: hehe .. thought a did a /msg dpkg find gohard .. never got results .. or I missed them |
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| 14:26.58 | the_mgt | hi! i have an old server running sid here, with smartctl 2.1 installed. i ran some selftests (-X) on the harddisks and now i want to see the log of it. but smartctl -L does not work. how do i get the log? |
| 14:27.12 | enouf | funny .. we alreadty went through that yassine |
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| 14:27.29 | yassine | abrotman, thanks : Factoid search of 'gohard.schema' by key returned no results. |
| 14:27.50 | abrotman | yassine: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search gohard |
| 14:28.28 | retard | when Debian Etch is released...can i do 'apt-get upgrade' and upgrade from Sarge to Etch? |
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| 14:28.46 | h3sp4wn | retard: will need dist-upgrade |
| 14:28.53 | retard | ic |
| 14:29.05 | enouf | !u |
| 14:29.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 14:29.28 | Cald | hello |
| 14:29.32 | enouf | saved abrotman the hassle this time .. hehe |
| 14:29.38 | Cald | ./configure: line 21552: syntax error near unexpected token `OPENSSL,' |
| 14:29.44 | Cald | ./configure: line 21552: ` PKG_CHECK_MODULES(OPENSSL, openssl,' |
| 14:29.50 | enouf | oh boy |
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| 14:29.51 | Cald | does someone know that problem plz ? |
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| 14:30.08 | abrotman | !tell retard about sarge->etch |
| 14:30.19 | abrotman | Cald: libssl-dev |
| 14:30.38 | Cald | i have it, it's not a package miss error |
| 14:31.06 | abrotman | oh ... missing ) ? |
| 14:31.26 | Cald | it an error in the script, but that script was auto generated |
| 14:31.37 | abrotman | doesn't mean it was generated correctly :) |
| 14:31.59 | onetinsoldier | hi, when compiling a kernel i'm not getting the kernel version on the first line of the file... 'version.h' |
| 14:32.14 | abrotman | !version.h |
| 14:32.14 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 14:32.30 | abrotman | Cald: it seems that there should be a closing ) |
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| 14:32.54 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: thanks, i haven't had a problem before. not sure why i'm having one now |
| 14:33.12 | Cald | abrotman, on another server all works good |
| 14:33.31 | abrotman | try to regenerate the file ? |
| 14:33.44 | abrotman | ccompare the files |
| 14:33.45 | Cald | maybe my software is not updated, but i don't know what program |
| 14:34.01 | Cald | ok, i compare configure file |
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| 14:35.35 | yassine | seems like gohard.schema use to be shipped with GOSA : usr/share/doc/gosa/contrib/openldap/gohard.schema web/gosa |
| 14:35.47 | yassine | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=gosa&version=stable&arch=all |
| 14:36.02 | yassine | but its no more there in etch |
| 14:36.06 | yassine | :/ |
| 14:36.16 | yassine | OMG |
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| 14:36.45 | yang | which package do i need to install to work with internet over GPRS? |
| 14:38.13 | abrotman | !find gohard etch |
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| 14:38.20 | yassine | abrotman, does it happen that each mirror have its own "version" of packages ? |
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| 14:38.28 | abrotman | shouldn't |
| 14:38.28 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gohard' returned no results. |
| 14:38.47 | Cald | abrotman: on the other configure file i don't have the PKG_CHECK_MODULES(OPENSSL, openssl, |
| 14:39.18 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 14:39.19 | Cald | the soft that make the configure must be different isn't it ? |
| 14:40.07 | Cald | configure.ac are the sames, but generated configure file aren't, the one which have the error have "PKG_CHECK_MODULES(OPENSSL, openssl" into it |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | you can compare package lists with dpkg --get-selections |
| 14:41.26 | Cald | i just use "apt-get install automake autoconf libtool" |
| 14:41.48 | Cald | but the servers which it get the soft is not the same |
| 14:42.10 | lord_rob | I've just installed gpm and I have no /dev/gpmdata. Do I need to do something special to get this device ? |
| 14:42.19 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: i don't think that msg from dpkg is going to work, and it looks dangerous too |
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| 14:42.43 | abrotman | it's dangerous? |
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| 14:43.19 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: won't that replace the version.h i have in /usr/include/linux with the one from my own kernel? |
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| 14:43.56 | Bambi21 | Hi...I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to get my ubuntu server to respond with a text string when pinged? |
| 14:43.58 | abrotman | so back it up first |
| 14:44.03 | abrotman | Bambi21: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:45.05 | Ronin | there you go again abrotman being all logical |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:45.41 | enouf | yassine: can't you just apt-get install gosa? |
| 14:45.45 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search gosa |
| 14:45.54 | enouf | gosa - Web Based LDAP Administration Program |
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| 14:45.54 | yassine | enouf, i alread did |
| 14:46.00 | enouf | yassine: and gosa-schema - LDAP schema for GOsa |
| 14:46.08 | Cald | which program generate a configure file, from a configure.ac plz ? |
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| 14:46.18 | enouf | yassine: and what? you still ahav errors? |
| 14:46.24 | Bambi21 | I guessed that ubuntu is basicly debian rip-off maybe you guys would know...but then again maybe not? |
| 14:46.30 | yassine | enouf, gosa-schma too and all most all other schmas are isntalled but not the gohard |
| 14:46.30 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: i think the real problem is not addresed yet... even if i made a backup, then did as suggested, the 'version.h' file from trying to compile my own kernel does not have the kernel version as the first line! the 'version.h' that comes with etch's own kernel does though. why not with the kernel i'm trying to compile? i'm trying to install the fglrx driver, and it's complaining |
| 14:46.47 | wols_ | Bambi21:there arno "ripoffs" |
| 14:46.58 | yassine | enouf, i have even made find / -name gohard.* and got nothing back |
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| 14:47.11 | Ronin | Bambi21: wouldnt it make sense to ask in a channel designed to support your distro? |
| 14:47.16 | yassine | the file is not shipped with the package defenitly |
| 14:47.25 | omarkj | I wouldn't call it a "rip off", it's just a distro based on Debian, and, if I may say so, a fine Distro. But I think the people at #Ubuntu know more about this. |
| 14:47.29 | onetinsoldier | first line of version.h from kernel that comes with etch... #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.18" |
| 14:47.32 | enouf | yassine: find . -name "*gohard*" |
| 14:47.35 | omarkj | Still, I've never heard about what you're asking for. |
| 14:47.40 | yassine | thats why i asked abrotman earlier if it does happens that mirrors habe differnts package versions |
| 14:47.48 | enouf | yassine: or find / -name "*gohard*" |
| 14:47.52 | onetinsoldier | when i compile my own kernel i'm not getting that first line at all |
| 14:48.09 | Bambi21 | your all right, my apologies. |
| 14:48.16 | yassine | enouf, even that gave nothing back |
| 14:48.22 | Cald | automake autoconf and libtool are the same versions, but on the other server i have installed them manually overwriting older versions, coud it be the problem? |
| 14:48.41 | enouf | yassine: you said => "seems like gohard.schema use to be shipped with GOSA : usr/share/doc/gosa/contrib/openldap/gohard.schema web/gosa" |
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| 14:49.17 | yassine | enouf, thats what i found on the web but in my gosa directory there is no contrib directory at all |
| 14:49.49 | enouf | yassine: dpkg -L Gosa and see if the file is there |
| 14:50.04 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: you still here? |
| 14:50.58 | enouf | yassine: hrmm .. maybe aptitude wiped out the older version od GOSA .. since Sid shows these packages , yet Etch doesn't?? |
| 14:51.13 | enouf | yassine: dpkg -l gosa | tail -1 says what? |
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| 14:51.25 | yassine | enouf, indeed i installed it using aptitude but im not aware if it wipped somthing |
| 14:52.22 | enouf | yassine: aptitude will wipe out older files . and replace with newer .. you have some sid/unstable repos in sources.list? |
| 14:52.30 | yassine | enouf, http://rafb.net/paste/results/RCiv4i57.html |
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| 14:52.47 | enouf | yassine: now apt-cache show gosa shows what |
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| 14:53.13 | solars | hi, does anyone know how I could make a ssh connection at startup before the first login? ssh-agent needs the initial passphrase... |
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| 14:53.26 | yassine | enouf, this is my source.list : http://rafb.net/paste/results/yS8i7L35.html |
| 14:53.29 | enouf | !find gosa sid |
| 14:53.30 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gosa' (5): gosa ;; gosa-help-de ;; gosa-help-fr ;; gosa-help-nl ;; gosa-schema. |
| 14:53.52 | enouf | !info gosa sid |
| 14:53.55 | dpkg | gosa: (Web Based LDAP Administration Program), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2656 kB, Installed size: 13140 kB |
| 14:54.23 | yassine | enouf, apt-cache shows this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZtX0Tj12.html |
| 14:54.27 | enouf | yassine: you have installed the Sid version .. and the file(s) you want are only in Sarge version .. no Etch version exists? |
| 14:55.02 | yassine | enouf, shall i add testing to my sources ? |
| 14:55.14 | enouf | !info gosa etch |
| 14:55.17 | dpkg | gosa: (Web Based LDAP Administration Program), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.6-2 (etch), Packaged size: 2656 kB, Installed size: 13140 kB |
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| 14:55.27 | yassine | i mean even the sarge package should be shipping the gohard.schema |
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| 14:55.44 | enouf | yassine: seems that GOSA pkg does exist in Etch .. so .. |
| 14:55.51 | onetinsoldier | dondelelcaro: hello. are you around? i could use your help if you have time :) |
| 14:55.54 | yassine | odd :(( |
| 14:55.58 | enouf | but the gohard.schema doesn't |
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| 14:56.37 | enouf | yassine: now try all that with gosa.shema and compare |
| 14:56.56 | yassine | one sec |
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| 14:57.49 | enouf | yassine: gosa-schema not.schema |
| 14:57.59 | yassine | http://rafb.net/paste/results/tJALmp72.html |
| 14:58.07 | enouf | !info gosa-schema Etch |
| 14:58.11 | dpkg | gosa-schema: (LDAP schema for GOsa), section web, is optional. Version: 2.5.6-2 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 15:01.23 | enouf | yassine: gohard.schema is only in the sarge gosa and gosa-schema packages AFAICT .. oh well |
| 15:01.35 | enouf | yassine: forward-ports? |
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| 15:01.46 | yassine | no |
| 15:01.48 | enouf | yassine: instead of backports ..hehe |
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| 15:01.59 | yassine | :) |
| 15:02.28 | enouf | yassine: so what's the exact error again .. after all this? |
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| 15:02.52 | yassine | slapd compains about not finding the gohard.schema |
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| 15:03.21 | yassine | not i have commented the include line of gohard... and i have an other errros : AttributeType not found: "sambaLMPassword" |
| 15:03.30 | yassine | s/not/now/ |
| 15:03.59 | onetinsoldier | hi, when compiling a kernel i'm not getting the kernel version on the first line of the file... 'version.h'. here's the first line of the 'version.h' file that comes with etch... #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.18". i'm not getting that fist line in the 'version.h' file when compiling my own kernel, shouldn't i be getting that first line? |
| 15:04.17 | enouf | yassine: is slapd up to date? .. and have you done an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade lately? |
| 15:04.26 | onetinsoldier | i try to install fglrx and it complains |
| 15:04.40 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: using kp? |
| 15:04.42 | Cald | the problem come from my auto* tools that wasn't updated, anyway i updated manually and it doesn't works, how can i completely remove older version of auto* tools ? |
| 15:04.42 | yassine | enouf, yes |
| 15:05.06 | Cald | i think there is some old things that stay when i updated |
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| 15:05.32 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: i normally use kp.. yes. i tried to 'make' the kernel without kp and still no first line version in 'version.h' |
| 15:05.42 | enouf | yassine: don't know what to tell ya .. if you --purge remove the newer pkgs and reinstall the older Sarge ones .. you mya brak many more things.. :-( |
| 15:05.52 | enouf | may break* |
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| 15:05.58 | yassine | yep |
| 15:06.12 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: just asking since I'ver encountered the problem you describe |
| 15:06.16 | Mateusz | Hi, has Debian for AMD64 normal mirror ? |
| 15:06.28 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: me either. are you using etch? |
| 15:06.29 | yassine | im looking for the gohard.schema on the web so it maybe a solution to just take it as it is and use it for now |
| 15:06.30 | Mateusz | how apt-get detects that I use amd64 ? |
| 15:06.33 | Mateusz | Any help ? |
| 15:06.38 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: yes |
| 15:06.39 | Bambi21 | I would want to do this because I have server setup that changes IP's all the time, but the IP's are all in a certain range and I want to try out all the IP's and find my server by looking for the right respons to a ping. If you could suggest any better way I would be glad to give that a try:). |
| 15:06.45 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: when |
| 15:06.52 | cahoot | now |
| 15:06.57 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: when's the last time you dist-upgraded? |
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| 15:07.16 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: must be aweek ago |
| 15:07.48 | Mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.57 | Mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.10 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: ya.. i wasn't having this problem a week go.. now i am. just dist-upgraded last night be fore going to bed, at which time i shut down |
| 15:08.44 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: right now i'd say "don't dist-upgrade"! hehe |
| 15:09.05 | enouf | yassine: if you can get the .deb uyou can just dpkg -i gosa-schema though apt/aptitude won't track it nor it;s dependencies .. maybe dpkg has options for that too |
| 15:09.06 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: I listen |
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| 15:09.21 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: roger |
| 15:10.42 | Mateusz | HI is there official Debian for AMD64? |
| 15:11.06 | dvs | Mateusz: not yet, but soon |
| 15:11.25 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: no /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h ? |
| 15:11.40 | Mateusz | ;/ |
| 15:11.48 | Mateusz | Is there official Debian for AMD64? |
| 15:11.53 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: yes.. i have the file. |
| 15:12.20 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: and it wants more? |
| 15:13.27 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h is not the same as the one that comes with etch. hang, i'll show you, ok? |
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| 15:14.17 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: cat /usr/include/linux/version.h |
| 15:14.32 | onetinsoldier | #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.18" |
| 15:14.32 | onetinsoldier | #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132626 |
| 15:14.32 | onetinsoldier | #define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c)) |
| 15:14.35 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: true |
| 15:14.54 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: cat /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
| 15:14.54 | enouf | yassine: see http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gosa/gosa_2.5.6-2/changelog and perhaps talk to the devel/maintainer |
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| 15:15.08 | onetinsoldier | #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132626 |
| 15:15.08 | onetinsoldier | #define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c)) |
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| 15:15.26 | yassine | enouf, funny i was just ready the changelog at the site of gosa developers |
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| 15:15.57 | enouf | yassine: yep .. perhaps you can obtain the source and compile your own ?? .. no idea yassine .. that's all I can do |
| 15:16.02 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h has this as first line:#define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.17.4" |
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| 15:16.44 | yassine | enouf, looks like the gohard.schema is no more used i just downloaded the sources where there is no gohard.schema too |
| 15:16.48 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: which matches the kernelsrc |
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| 15:17.40 | yassine | now its no more compalaining about it since i removed it, only gosa web gui claims it can not read the schemas maybe some permissions need to be set |
| 15:17.40 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: well, i showed you mine up above. the fist line for mine is... #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.18"(just dis-upgraded last night). but when i try to compile my own kernel i do not get that first line at all in it's version.h! |
| 15:17.41 | solars | I need a way to set up an ssh socks tunnel before the first login at startup, can anyone suggest a nicer way than passwordless ssh keys ? |
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| 15:17.44 | enouf | yassine: hehe .. you'd have to d/l the Sarge source version I guess .. but again , I'd speak to the maint first |
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| 15:17.58 | yassine | enouf, maint ? |
| 15:18.04 | yassine | who |
| 15:18.08 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: ok - this is way beyond me |
| 15:18.11 | enouf | yassine: maintainer/developer .. |
| 15:18.16 | yassine | ahh okay |
| 15:18.18 | enouf | !maint gosa |
| 15:18.21 | dpkg | gosa: Cajus Pollmeier <cajus@debian.org> |
| 15:18.28 | enouf | yassine: ^^^ |
| 15:18.42 | yassine | me dummy |
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| 15:19.13 | enouf | me bigger dumbass :-P |
| 15:19.33 | vin` | onetinsoldier: remember k-p had a uts release related bug, check bts. |
| 15:19.45 | yassine | thanks you enouf i hope i can help you once as you did today :) but in case you ever deal with tomcat ill be glad to help im like 24/7 in #tomcat |
| 15:20.02 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: yeah... me too. the real problem is trying to install ati's fglrx driver.... kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.18.3-686/build/include |
| 15:20.05 | enouf | yassine: cool .. thanks .. |
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| 15:21.16 | onetinsoldier | cahhot: that didn't all come out for some reason... cat /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod/make.sh.log |
| 15:21.56 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: Error: kernel includes at /lib/modules/2.6.18.3-686/build/include do not match current kernel. they are versioned as "" instead of "2.6.18.3-686". |
| 15:22.39 | enouf | onetinsoldier: did you symlink as suggested earlier? |
| 15:22.45 | onetinsoldier | vin`: doesn't matter. i have this 'version.h' problem even if i don't use k-p! |
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| 15:22.49 | enouf | !version.h |
| 15:22.49 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 15:23.44 | onetinsoldier | enouf: look at the error message i'm getting from fglrx... which i just list above. now.... |
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| 15:23.51 | onetinsoldier | cahoot: well, i showed you mine up above. the fist line for mine is... #define UTS_RELEASE "2.6.18"(just dis-upgraded last night). but when i try to compile my own kernel i do not get that first line at all in it's version.h! |
| 15:24.03 | cahoot | onetinsoldier: isn't the /lib/modules... a symling from /usr/src/linux-headers? |
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| 15:24.20 | onetinsoldier | oops... i meant for that to be to enouf |
| 15:24.27 | onetinsoldier | sorry cahoot |
| 15:24.36 | cahoot | I'll live |
| 15:24.43 | onetinsoldier | :) cool |
| 15:24.57 | elis | hey .. i'm now trying to find the assempler compiler "gas" but ican't find it .... where it is ??? |
| 15:25.04 | xingu | just to really mess with your collective brain, UTS_RELEASE isn't in linux/version.h in the kernel tree; it's in utsrelease.h |
| 15:25.15 | xingu | no doubt that's coming to a userland near you sometime soon |
| 15:25.23 | enouf | onetinsoldier: chack BTS? |
| 15:25.30 | enouf | check even |
| 15:26.05 | enouf | hugs xingu .. for the heck of it |
| 15:26.19 | onetinsoldier | enouf: no.. i cannot say that i have. but i'm not certain what package would be the culprit for the bug |
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| 15:28.08 | xingu | onetinsoldier: you need to fix your source, #include <utsrelease.h> if you want that macro |
| 15:28.21 | xingu | onetinsoldier: as-of UTS namespaces merge, yay! |
| 15:28.40 | onetinsoldier | xingu: oh!?!? what's this? |
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| 15:29.03 | onetinsoldier | xingu: so i need to edit utsrelease.h ...? |
| 15:30.03 | elis | abyone ? GAS assembler ? |
| 15:30.42 | xingu | onetinsoldier: no, you need to fix your source; where your source #includes version.h, it needs to also include utsrelease.h |
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| 15:31.15 | aredhel | elis, if your asking about the gnu assembler it's called "as" in debian. |
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| 15:33.02 | onetinsoldier | xingu: so i need to edit something in my kernel source? sorry, i'm a little lost since i'm really just a simple end user. i don't believe i would include that maco in the 'version.h file itself. it's not even created until you start compiling a kernel |
| 15:33.10 | Yaacov | hi there. A question: is the stable (I mean Etch) branch good for desktop use? |
| 15:33.13 | onetinsoldier | macro* |
| 15:33.33 | xingu | that's correct, you wouldn't modify your headers at all |
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| 15:34.02 | dvs | Yaacov: yes |
| 15:34.11 | xingu | you would find the #include in the source, and add to it |
| 15:34.16 | Yaacov | dvs: I have heard that stable is only for server use |
| 15:34.28 | Yaacov | dvs: I am currently using SID with Kanotix |
| 15:34.30 | elis | aredhel: thx |
| 15:34.31 | xingu | not in the kernel source, in whatever abomination you are building against its headers |
| 15:34.36 | dvs | Yaacov: Well, you can use stable for desktop but it's so dated now. |
| 15:35.02 | Yaacov | dvs: You mean after half a year etch will be outdated |
| 15:35.03 | Yaacov | ? |
| 15:35.13 | dvs | !sarge |
| 15:35.14 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 15:35.36 | Yaacov | dvs: no no sarge is too old. |
| 15:35.57 | Yaacov | dvs: If I make a downgrade I would only do it into Etch |
| 15:36.04 | dvs | Yaacov: The versions of the programs will be "old" but still useable |
| 15:36.10 | onetinsoldier | xingu: can you explain why the version.h file that comes with etch's kernel 2.6.17 kernel have the version as it's fist line then when i go to comile my own kernel it does not have that fist line? |
| 15:36.11 | Yaacov | dvs: ah |
| 15:36.19 | dvs | Yaacov: and you can't downgrade |
| 15:36.34 | Yaacov | dvs: why not? I will edit the sources.list and then... |
| 15:36.35 | onetinsoldier | xingu: sorry.. couple of typo's there |
| 15:36.38 | Yaacov | dist-upgrade |
| 15:36.39 | xingu | onetinsoldier: ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-changes.... |
| 15:36.43 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 15:36.57 | xingu | onetinsoldier: if you build against kernel api's then it's on you to stay current |
| 15:37.00 | dvs | Yaacov: and the programs with the higher version will NOT be replaced |
| 15:37.13 | Quintin | What is the name of window maker preference manager ? |
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| 15:37.23 | Quintin | I need to launch from command line since I can't get at my dock on the bottom |
| 15:37.26 | Yaacov | dvs: that is not a big problem, I can adjust this in synaptic which vesion to prefer |
| 15:37.34 | itchi | Yaacov: See /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 15:37.49 | Yaacov | dvs: anyway if the repo of the stable branch becomes freezed, there are no updates until next release any more? |
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| 15:38.15 | dvs | Yaacov: there will be updates but they will be few and far between |
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| 15:38.45 | itchi | Yaacov: Only security and big bugs |
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| 15:39.15 | Yaacov | dvs: So if Etch today becomes freezed and KDE4 comes tomorrow, I will not get it until next release (prob "Lenny")? |
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| 15:39.15 | dvs | Yaacov: nope |
| 15:39.15 | enouf | onetinsoldier: perhaps see http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.19-rc1 and search/find for UTS |
| 15:39.18 | Yaacov | itchi: But now version upgrades... |
| 15:39.19 | itchi | Yaacov: There are backports too |
| 15:39.26 | dvs | Yaacov: Actually it's probably too late for KDE4 now |
| 15:39.30 | onetinsoldier | xingu: should i have a utsrelease.h file somewhere on my system? |
| 15:39.48 | itchi | Yaacov: If you want stable + some recent soft = backports |
| 15:39.48 | Yaacov | itchi: installable with APT? |
| 15:39.50 | xingu | onetinsoldier: yes, in your kernel source tree |
| 15:39.56 | Yaacov | itchi: ah |
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| 15:40.02 | onetinsoldier | enouf: ok, will have a look at that! |
| 15:40.04 | Yaacov | dvs: I meant only for example |
| 15:40.05 | itchi | Yaacov: Yeah |
| 15:40.10 | xingu | onetinsoldier: what are you building? |
| 15:40.15 | Yaacov | dvs: KDE4 will be out in prob one year |
| 15:40.47 | onetinsoldier | xingu: hmmm, it doesn't seem i have such a file |
| 15:41.00 | Yaacov | itchi && dvs: which versions are you using? |
| 15:41.12 | dvs | Yaacov: etch |
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| 15:41.31 | onetinsoldier | xingu: it come down to me have a problem building the ati fglrx driver. i didn't have this problem like about 10 dyas or so ago |
| 15:41.32 | itchi | Yaacov: See /msg dpkg backports too. Running Etch on all my desktops, and Sarge on servers |
| 15:41.35 | enouf | onetinsoldier: this too http://kerneltrap.org/node/6641 and search for namespace |
| 15:41.44 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: hey.. |
| 15:41.47 | Yaacov | dvs: can you give me your sources.list? |
| 15:42.03 | Yaacov | itchi: Are you going to upgrade your servers when etch becomes stable? |
| 15:42.15 | Linux_Freek | abrotman: you still haven`t solved my sound mixer problem |
| 15:42.28 | itchi | Yaacov: With Etch you get many more updates, you should be every time /reconfigure/ the program you just updated. |
| 15:42.44 | xingu | onetinsoldier: and in the last ten days have you built and installed a kernel locally? |
| 15:42.54 | itchi | Yaacov: Sure :-) |
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| 15:43.14 | dvs | Yaacov: http://pastebin.ca/264585 |
| 15:43.22 | Yaacov | How long to wait until Etch becomes stable? This year? |
| 15:43.35 | Yaacov | The first announcements were for 3rd December |
| 15:43.39 | dvs | Yaacov: this month |
| 15:43.44 | xingu | Yaacov: for varying values of "this" |
| 15:43.50 | itchi | Yaacov: When it's ready, see /msg dpkg wir ;-) |
| 15:43.52 | dvs | heh |
| 15:44.03 | Yaacov | dvs: thanks for the sources.list |
| 15:44.12 | enouf | onetinsoldier: http://pcburn.com/article.php?sid=1464 this one is 2.6.17-rc5-mm1 specific .. perhaps the beginning of the nightmare :-) |
| 15:44.15 | dvs | no prob |
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| 15:44.19 | itchi | Yaacov: Know you how to talk with the bot? |
| 15:44.30 | Yaacov | itchi: little bit |
| 15:44.34 | onetinsoldier | xingu: no. i did a dist-upgrade last night before shutting down and going to bed. now i got up and wanted to recompile my 2.6.18.3 kernel and reinstall the fglrx driver for it. perhaps i should go and grab kernel-2.6.19-rc1 now |
| 15:44.36 | enouf | !wwer |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 15:44.39 | xingu | 2.6.18 begat UTS_RELEASE, and verily the userbase was confused |
| 15:44.42 | Linux_Freek | anyone can help me with a sound mixer problem. it gets muted autmatically when i reboot |
| 15:44.51 | itchi | Yaacov: Understand you when i tell you /msg dpkg backports for example? |
| 15:45.02 | Yaacov | dvs: This is the original source.list, is not it? Except of mplayer ;-) |
| 15:45.05 | aredhel | onetinsoldier, you do know that xorg does glx direct rendered on 3XX ati cards now? |
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| 15:45.25 | Yaacov | itchi: yes I put it into the chat line |
| 15:45.33 | Yaacov | itchi: and it shows me the information |
| 15:45.34 | enouf | Linux_Freek: aumix? |
| 15:45.35 | dvs | Yaacov: no, I use a local mirror |
| 15:45.37 | xingu | onetinsoldier: the thng that's missing is that your fgrlx driver compile needs a little KVERS/ KSRC/ KDREV love to point it a ...src/linux/... |
| 15:45.37 | itchi | Yaacov: Good ;-) Was just to be sure :-) |
| 15:45.50 | xingu | onetinsoldier: ... in the directory of the kernel you've built |
| 15:45.51 | onetinsoldier | aredhel: you have to compile Xgl don't you? ati doesn't support AIGLX as far as a know |
| 15:46.04 | onetinsoldier | as far as i know* |
| 15:46.14 | Yaacov | dvs: Oh that is no problem I will change it to my mirrors, but this is the original list at all, right? |
| 15:46.18 | xingu | onetinsoldier: in that same directory, unless you've molested it beyond repair, there should be ...linux/include/linux/utsrelease.h |
| 15:46.58 | onetinsoldier | xingu: roger, i think i'm begining to understand, i hope. |
| 15:47.06 | dvs | Yaacov: It uses testing so it's not the original list |
| 15:47.10 | itchi | Yaacov: If you have Sarge, you can use the tool apt-setup to select the local mirrors to you |
| 15:47.23 | Yaacov | itchi: No I have got SID (Kanotix) |
| 15:47.37 | xingu | onetinsoldier: if you're using module assistant and make-kpkg a lot of this pain goes away |
| 15:47.42 | Yaacov | dvs: I have already changed the repos to Etch instead of Testing |
| 15:47.45 | itchi | Yaacov: You can erase it quick, i feel it :-p |
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| 15:48.09 | Yaacov | itchi: what do u mean? |
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| 15:48.16 | xingu | onetinsoldier: m-a -l 2.6.18.3 a-i fgrlx_or_whatever_the_heck_it_is_you_might_want_to_not_copy_paste_this |
| 15:48.16 | aredhel | onetinsoldier, you just install the etch xorg and use it's ati driver. It's not as compleat at ATI's but it hasn't carshed on me yet ether. |
| 15:48.22 | onetinsoldier | xingu: i use make-kpkg |
| 15:48.34 | itchi | Yaacov: You gona forget about Kanotix an love many more Debian :-) |
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| 15:48.45 | aredhel | *as ati's |
| 15:48.51 | Yaacov | itchi: Yeah. |
| 15:48.52 | xingu | onetinsoldier: ok, so from m-a -l ${KVERS} the rest (finding KSRC) should be automagic. |
| 15:49.11 | Yaacov | itchi: Kanotix is splitted |
| 15:49.22 | Yaacov | itchi: Kanotix is not based on SID anymore |
| 15:49.29 | xingu | onetinsoldier: it probably sniffs it out from /lib/modules/*/source, but as I've never managed to break that bit, I've never gone looking. |
| 15:49.39 | Yaacov | itchi: That was the reason for my changes |
| 15:49.45 | cyzie | itchi, u there? |
| 15:49.46 | itchi | Yaacov: I dunno exactly, booted that live cd yesterday on my brand new qemu install on the laptop :-) |
| 15:49.51 | onetinsoldier | xingu: hang on, i'm starting up X. ok? |
| 15:49.54 | BleSS | is possble to make 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdc' but from a byte of starting? |
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| 15:50.35 | Yaacov | itchi: Now I am going to use pure Debian on my PC and Gentoo on my Laptop |
| 15:50.36 | itchi | BleSS: Need to wipe? |
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| 15:50.50 | itchi | Yaacov: Your best choice ;-) |
| 15:51.02 | blondie | moonglue wiggle cake. |
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| 15:51.22 | Yaacov | itchi |
| 15:51.38 | Yaacov | dvs && itchi: Thanks for your help and bye! |
| 15:51.38 | itchi | blondie: Some beer in the cake?? |
| 15:51.48 | itchi | Yaacov: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 15:51.49 | dvs | bye |
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| 15:52.59 | blondie | itchi: no beer is gross |
| 15:53.06 | onetinsoldier | xingu: ok, i'm in X and xchat now.. a little easier to keep track of all this. i don't even know how my X is working right. i thought i busted my fglrx installation for this kernel i'm using right now.. lol |
| 15:53.17 | dvs | !beer blondie |
| 15:53.46 | xingu | blondie: heathen |
| 15:53.56 | onetinsoldier | enouf: hello. can you give me thos links again? |
| 15:54.03 | Hoxzer | Hi, Im trying to install rt2x00 driver but doesn't seem to work http://pastebin.ca/262476. As /usr/src/kernel-headers*/scripts was not found I created link from /usr/src/kernel-kbuild |
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| 15:54.12 | Hoxzer | compile problem |
| 15:54.59 | liran_ | isn't the tun module comes standard in kernels 2.6? (even did with 2.4 I remember) |
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| 15:55.49 | itchi | liran_: modprobe tun |
| 15:56.24 | liran_ | itchi: it's not there and it's a 2.6.17-9 sarge install |
| 15:56.48 | itchi | liran_: It should be |
| 15:56.51 | Linux_Freek | enouf: gnome volume manager |
| 15:57.22 | liran_ | itchi: well it's not. |
| 15:57.30 | itchi | liran_: I dunno if it matter, i have 2.6.17-2 and have it |
| 15:57.31 | xingu | liran_: dpkg -S tun.ko ? |
| 15:57.49 | xingu | liran_: my etch'o'rama'rama 2.6.18-3 has it... |
| 15:58.28 | xingu | uh oh, that backfired |
| 15:58.31 | liran_ | xingu: yeah im looking first with locate to see if i can find tun.o |
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| 15:58.44 | liran_ | xingu: or tun.ko for later kernels |
| 15:58.52 | Linux_Freek | enouf: are u there ? |
| 15:59.01 | BleSS | is possble to make 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdc' but from byte non-zero? |
| 15:59.29 | asg | BleSS: look at the 'seek' and 'count' options to dd |
| 15:59.30 | xingu | onetinsoldier: ok, you're looking for ... linux/include/linux/utsrelease.h , newly and shinily introduced as-of 2.6.18 |
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| 16:00.08 | BleSS | asg, thanks |
| 16:00.12 | Linux_Freek | enouf: hey ! |
| 16:00.23 | onetinsoldier | xingu: ok. first, thank you for trying to help me out! i can find anything to do with 'utsrelease' |
| 16:00.31 | Linux_Freek | anyone can help me with a sound mixer problem. it gets muted autmatically when i reboot |
| 16:00.35 | onetinsoldier | can't* |
| 16:00.50 | xingu | onetinsoldier: in that case you probably want to remake your kernel source, cause something has gone wrong. |
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| 16:01.27 | onetinsoldier | xingu: ok.. so just try recompiling my kernel then? i've got 2.6.18.3 |
| 16:01.28 | xingu | onetinsoldier: I've got built 2.6.18.{2,3} and 2.6.19 trees right here and I'm lookin' at it... |
| 16:01.55 | itchi | xingu: .18 is not yet in Etch |
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| 16:02.09 | xingu | itchi: oh, sid. my apologies |
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| 16:02.24 | xingu | stupid unstable link updating fairies |
| 16:03.36 | xingu | itchi: that's going to be painful when it is backported; there's lots of kernel/userspace header surgery going on 2.6.18-19 |
| 16:04.30 | itchi | xingu: I dunno, im not of that level now :-/ |
| 16:05.01 | itchi | xingu: Yesterday was my first complete kernel building and working at 100% hah |
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| 16:05.33 | itchi | xingu: Finally it was easy to do, but miss still many knowledges about it. |
| 16:05.44 | onetinsoldier | xingu: ok, i'm compiling my 2.6.18.3. after a while i'll be installing it and i'll let you know what's going on |
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| 16:12.09 | liran_ | itchi: nope, can't find that tun module on that sarge box |
| 16:12.57 | itchi | liran_: Try to look with modconf ?? |
| 16:14.07 | itchi | liran_: But modprobe -l tun not showed any output? |
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| 16:15.46 | olopez | hi , what is the file where debian sarge loads HDD kernel modules, i'm trying to find where is loaded pxii module and i don't see anything |
| 16:16.00 | itchi | liran_: Try first that modprobe way, if it not show anything, forget about modconf then |
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| 16:16.28 | itchi | olopez: /etc/modules |
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| 16:17.01 | itchi | olopez: Tell a bit more about your trouble |
| 16:17.35 | olopez | itchi: it is the frist file where i look , but i don't see any reference to piix |
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| 16:17.53 | itchi | olopez: Look maybe too /etc/modules.conf |
| 16:17.55 | |XO| | where does forcefsck run from in sysinit? |
| 16:17.57 | |XO| | what file? |
| 16:18.08 | olopez | i dont't see some modules like ide_core or piix |
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| 16:18.12 | Entheogen | guys, how can i extract files from windows installer file (msi)? |
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| 16:18.24 | itchi | olopez: In vim do /foo to search |
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| 16:18.43 | itchi | olopez: What's happend exactly? |
| 16:18.49 | lord_rob | Is there a command to know which resolution you are using in X (ex 640x480,800x600,...) |
| 16:18.57 | Entheogen | any1? |
| 16:19.00 | asg | lord_rob: xdpyinfo |
| 16:19.04 | liran_ | itchi: modprobe doesnt show it |
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| 16:19.17 | olopez | itchi: i do something like find /etc -type f -exec grep "piix" {} \; -print and i dont see anything , itchi i dont want load these module |
| 16:19.49 | lord_rob | thanks asg |
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| 16:19.56 | asg | you're welcome |
| 16:20.12 | itchi | olopez: Yup, should output you some stuff |
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| 16:21.07 | asg | Entheogen: cabextract should do it |
| 16:21.11 | olopez | yes it will should output where is that string , but it doesn't output anything |
| 16:21.15 | itchi | olopez: Looks like it is not loaded at boot time then |
| 16:21.16 | Entheogen | thanks |
| 16:21.16 | Entheogen | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.40 | asg | Entheogen: grub-install |
| 16:21.49 | olopez | ok itchi and where it can be loaded ? |
| 16:22.02 | itchi | olopez: /etc/modules |
| 16:22.15 | liran_ | itchi: nm that, seems like it's not a vanilla kernel and it's without the tun device enabled |
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| 16:22.30 | olopez | it doesn't stay there :S |
| 16:22.45 | itchi | olopez: Which release run you? |
| 16:22.50 | Entheogen | asg i did grub-install /dev/hda and it is now installed on MBR? |
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| 16:23.13 | asg | Entheogen: should be. You might want to read the grub-install info page to make sure |
| 16:23.14 | itchi | olopez: Look to that /etc/modules.conf also |
| 16:23.25 | Entheogen | ok |
| 16:23.25 | Entheogen | thanks |
| 16:23.29 | itchi | olopez: Read been what's noted on top btw |
| 16:23.39 | olopez | ok |
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| 16:25.17 | olopez | itchi: i'm using debian 4.0 , the testing version |
| 16:25.29 | itchi | olopez: Same here then |
| 16:25.45 | olopez | ok |
| 16:26.03 | iostream | Is there any where I can read about hardware recommendations for debian? I'm about to buy a new system, and I want to make sure that it's well supported. |
| 16:26.13 | itchi | olopez: Maybe you have just no stuff in /etc/modules at all |
| 16:27.08 | olopez | itchi the only two files related with modules loaded at boot time are on debian etch are /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 16:27.09 | liran_ | itchi: if the kernel's config isn't compiled with tun. any chance to get tun on it without recompiling/restarting? |
| 16:27.30 | olopez | in ubuntu are there some like discover.conf and other |
| 16:27.59 | azeem | olopez: there's /etc/modprobe.d as well, plus the various udev/hotplug stuff |
| 16:28.15 | itchi | olopez: Yup, maybe you want a tool to see what modules there are modprobe -l foo (or *bar) or use an little text interface modconf |
| 16:28.41 | azeem | olopez: what do you mean with "it doesn't stay there"? |
| 16:29.02 | lord_rob | Could somebody point me how in X11, you can declare you have a desktop that displays, say 1280*1024, while you can actually only display 800*600. You use the mouse to select the reghion of the screen you want to see |
| 16:29.37 | itchi | lord_rob: Virtual desktop? |
| 16:29.43 | olopez | azeem: i don't see where it is loaded |
| 16:29.55 | azeem | olopez: what is "it"? |
| 16:29.59 | lord_rob | itchi: I think that's the term |
| 16:30.05 | olopez | piix module azeem |
| 16:30.15 | olopez | some other like ide_core |
| 16:30.26 | azeem | olopez: so you put piix into /etc/modules, but lsmod doesn't show it after bot? |
| 16:30.29 | azeem | boot |
| 16:30.43 | robin_sz | badly documented poo. |
| 16:31.12 | itchi | lord_rob: Add Virtual 1280 1024 below depth or so |
| 16:31.17 | olopez | i want unload it at boot time , it load it at boot and i don't want to load it |
| 16:31.23 | itchi | lord_rob: Change the values to your needs too |
| 16:31.37 | azeem | olopez: then look into hotplug blacklisting |
| 16:31.41 | azeem | !blacklist |
| 16:31.41 | dpkg | hmm... blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:31.47 | olopez | azeem: ok :D |
| 16:31.57 | itchi | lord_rob: Yust above the Mode "..." |
| 16:32.00 | lord_rob | itchi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't seem to let me do this so I need to hack xorg.conf myself |
| 16:32.12 | lord_rob | thank you itchi |
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| 16:32.20 | itchi | lord_rob: I dunno, i not make use of it |
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| 16:32.32 | olopez | thanks for all :D |
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| 16:33.11 | lord_rob | itchi: I need to use an old laptop that can display 800*600 only, and this is very low for today's apps :/ |
| 16:33.23 | itchi | hhhmm, i should learn these udev stuff too |
| 16:33.39 | itchi | lord_rob: Use fluxbox :-) |
| 16:34.00 | itchi | lord_rob: Small borders around the window, hack that theme so that it's a bit lesser |
| 16:34.09 | itchi | lord_rob: Wait, want a theme for it? |
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| 16:34.31 | azeem | uhm, if you have 800x600, 2-3 pixel window borders are your lesser problem |
| 16:34.38 | itchi | lord_rob: Here some hacked fluxbox themes http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/debs/fluxboxextrathemes_0.0.1_all.deb |
| 16:34.41 | admin123 | How does on interactivly automaticly configure X (prefered with a set resolution and depth). For example: the first time xserver-xorg get's installed it asks no questions, it sets it up correctly, however reconfiguring X and setting a new INCORRECT driver, running dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive -pcritical doesn't change athing! |
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| 16:35.22 | azeem | admin123: why should it change something if you run it noninteractive? |
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| 16:36.04 | morci | lag |
| 16:36.33 | admin123 | azeem, allow me to give you some background information. I'm creating a recovery cd for work. Everything goes great, expect, Configuring X. We have to kinds of systems, a AMD with SIS chipset and a INTEL with VIA chipset. So I need to find a way to configure X properly on boot with a defined resolution and depth. |
| 16:36.43 | admin123 | prefferably |
| 16:37.08 | azeem | admin123: maybe debconf preseeding can do this for you |
| 16:37.21 | azeem | or check xdebconfigurator |
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| 16:38.42 | lord_rob | itchi: I'm using jwm, it's very light also |
| 16:39.04 | admin123 | azeem, debconf presseding can set resolution and depth? |
| 16:39.08 | lord_rob | itchi: the problem is not the wm by itself, it's the app I want to run :/ |
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| 16:39.52 | itchi | lord_rob: Yeah, you should play there with an virtual desktop or resoultion there |
| 16:39.56 | azeem | admin123: alternatively, you could just manually override xorg.conf with the appropriate file depending on the box |
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| 16:41.44 | wishkah | debian etch, toshiba 5200-701, trying to get ELSA AirLancer MC-11 (PCMCIA) to work, it does associate (according to iwconfig using the orinoco driver) but I cannot talk to the access point (dhclient hangs there, manual config doesn't work either) |
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| 16:43.16 | itchi | Ha some fresh bier |
| 16:43.17 | RvGaTe | what do i do, when my (dual) screen setup isn't recognized correctly? im currently at 1280x1024, but my screen can go up to 1400x1050 (works in windows) |
| 16:43.40 | RvGaTe | debian etch btw |
| 16:43.55 | RvGaTe | i dont think beer will help me :P |
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| 16:44.15 | itchi | RvGaTe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?? Or look on /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 16:44.54 | lord_rob | itchi: Done. Maximum I can do is 1024*768 :/ A bit better, but not a lot :( |
| 16:45.32 | RvGaTe | itchi, xserver-org not installed? wtf haha |
| 16:45.46 | itchi | RvGaTe: There's an howto on the TLDP about it to, look to the keyword xinerama |
| 16:46.52 | itchi | Had test that dual screen, but my second output give the pink wave on the screen, fucking hardware |
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| 16:47.43 | RvGaTe | itchi, where can i find this TLDP ? |
| 16:47.47 | itchi | Is broken sind the begin, have never worked right :-( With wintendo too, same case. Had not test it directly, dumb |
| 16:48.00 | AndroidData | hi. I followed the instructions at http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier but DNSstuff reports mail.sineful.com: Timed out [Last data sent: RCPT TO: ] |
| 16:48.04 | AndroidData | what do I do? |
| 16:48.20 | enouf | azeem: dexconf would be deprecated and useless for admin123 ? admin123 not sure if this was mentioned but look at man debconf.conf and man dexconf (for XF86FConfig-4 only IIRC) |
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| 16:48.45 | itchi | RvGaTe: The Linux Documentation Project, see google |
| 16:49.15 | itchi | RvGaTe: Wait; There was one howto, that reffer to the other howto's, was very useful, i search for it |
| 16:49.34 | RvGaTe | itchi, great, let me know when you find it |
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| 16:49.55 | itchi | RvGaTe: That's the xinerama stuff http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html Search for that other great now |
| 16:49.56 | enouf | admin123: debconf.conf and debconf-get-selections and the other various debconf* config files |
| 16:50.27 | krazykit | hm. having just built the fglrx module and trying to modprobe it, i get a permission denied error... even though I'm root. what's the problem here (other than ati=suck)? |
| 16:50.32 | itchi | RvGaTe: Interesting to is that it's also available in nl |
| 16:50.47 | RvGaTe | itchi, thats even better |
| 16:50.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: Also we can install these docs, it's packaged, also the nl!! :-) |
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| 16:52.14 | xingu | ok, this is starting to get annoying |
| 16:52.27 | enouf | krazykit: read only mount? |
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| 16:52.42 | enouf | hands xingu some aspirin |
| 16:52.47 | krazykit | enouf: nope. |
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| 16:52.51 | itchi | RvGaTe: Look this, save it! http://tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html |
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| 16:53.03 | xingu | at least sound didn't pack up that time, so the msi did what it was supposed to I guess |
| 16:53.26 | krazykit | oh, interesting. dmesg reports " *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed" |
| 16:53.38 | krazykit | ... |
| 16:53.42 | krazykit | wait... |
| 16:53.51 | krazykit | i don't have shm mounted... ffs. |
| 16:53.53 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe the nl doc will be interesting to continue to work on, like we had discuse about it in debian-nl, i need to talk about it with oKtosiTe |
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| 16:55.49 | dartho | apt-get install linux-source -------- is necessary for install nvidia drivers ?????? |
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| 16:59.21 | enouf | RvGaTe: you may need to just tone down the bits from 24bit down to 16bit .. also apt-cache search xdmx and see http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/os-mltihed/index.html perhaps |
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| 17:00.42 | enouf | El_Chavo_Del_8: wtf? ask a question == change your nick? /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 17:02.41 | elysia | !popcon |
| 17:02.42 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:03.10 | onetinsoldier | xingu: hello |
| 17:03.12 | itchi | xingu: Just googled it, looks likre winrar have extract it; in an blog ... |
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| 17:04.18 | itchi | xingu: There's packages for rar here to, maybe try it out |
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| 17:04.57 | Bombo | hi |
| 17:05.04 | ignotus | hello, how can I get encrypted swap partition in debin Linux ? |
| 17:05.06 | ignotus | Debian* |
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| 17:05.40 | itchi | xingu: Which tools have you already try? |
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| 17:07.55 | onetinsoldier | xingu: have you gone out to luch on us again? |
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| 17:08.08 | onetinsoldier | lunch* |
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| 17:09.06 | Pierrot | hello |
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| 17:10.29 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 17:10.57 | Pierrot | how old are you? |
| 17:11.55 | Bombo | i just did an apt-get update on my etch, and i got this error: http://pastebin.ca/264685 will that be fixed by another call of apt-get update? |
| 17:12.12 | onetinsoldier | me? not that i have anything ti hise but i am curious as to why you'd want to know |
| 17:12.18 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 17:12.32 | onetinsoldier | s/to hise/to hide |
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| 17:12.49 | onetinsoldier | haha |
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| 17:14.13 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: i'm trying to look but the page seemd to be hanging. let me try again |
| 17:14.52 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: that pastebin page is just hagning, it won't pull up |
| 17:15.19 | enouf | i two years old |
| 17:15.24 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: works here |
| 17:15.49 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: it took a while.. but it finally came up.. hang on while i look at it |
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| 17:17.44 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: hmmm, perhaps you should try a different repository in your sources.list |
| 17:17.51 | xingu | onetinsoldier: nope, back now |
| 17:18.05 | onetinsoldier | xingu: ok. cool. hello there |
| 17:18.42 | xingu | onetinsoldier: sorry, chasing down a lockup of my own by degrees, took me out last time and then I had to go off for a bit |
| 17:18.47 | onetinsoldier | xingu: i got my 2.6.18.3 kernel compiled and the fglrx driver installed just fine with no complaints :) |
| 17:18.53 | xingu | onetinsoldier: groovy |
| 17:19.30 | x_link | If I want to look in my xorg.conf, should I not do less xorg.conf ten? |
| 17:19.33 | x_link | then even |
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| 17:19.44 | onetinsoldier | i now have the /include/linux/utsrelease.h file... yeah! |
| 17:20.04 | x_link | I just downloaded this tuc game and it laggs like HELL, and I think it should be doing that on this machine. |
| 17:20.40 | wols_ | if it should do it, whats the problem? |
| 17:20.58 | xingu | onetinsoldier: the 2.6.19 genirq core is twisting my melon I think |
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| 17:21.34 | onetinsoldier | xingu: what's genirq? generate or general irq or something? |
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| 17:21.51 | bwlang | i just tried this in the exim group - but nobody's home... anybody know? |
| 17:21.53 | bwlang | hi... i've started getting lots and lots warnings from exim about messages for non-existant users being frozen... How do i just bounce these silently? |
| 17:22.26 | xingu | onetinsoldier: generic, http://lwn.net/Articles/184408/ |
| 17:22.38 | Achilles | i cant download the whole etch dvd so i guess going around with netinst is the best option i got? what are the things that netinst lacks and the main dvd has except the loads of packages |
| 17:22.42 | onetinsoldier | xingu: ok.. looking at it now |
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| 17:22.48 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: hmmm what happens anyways when the connection to a source is reset or something while running apt-update |
| 17:22.54 | Bombo | who knows? |
| 17:23.00 | wols_ | Achilles: nothing |
| 17:23.07 | Bombo | will the files be resumed |
| 17:24.07 | Bombo | or reloaded |
| 17:24.07 | Achilles | wols_, so no problem going with the netinst? |
| 17:24.07 | wols_ | Achilles: in fact, using netinst is usually preferred method of install. no problem whatsoever |
| 17:24.07 | cahoot | xingu: maybe that's the one that doesn't go too well with my laptops bios |
| 17:24.07 | xingu | onetinsoldier: 2x hard lockups in last 24h which I think are due to unhandled msi from intel-hda hardware; 1x gpu hard lockup subsequent to allowing intel-hda to register msi handler |
| 17:24.08 | wols_ | evreything you need, you can install later over the network one by one |
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| 17:24.08 | enouf | x_link: yes .. to peek at larger files .. you less /etc/X11/xorg.conf for ex.. (scroll up/down arrows ... pageup/down) then hit 'q' to quit .. but if you actually edit that file without going through dpkg-reconfigure teh md5sums will change |
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| 17:24.11 | Achilles | wols_, why is netinst preffered? |
| 17:24.15 | Bombo | is there a command to check if the files are ok? |
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| 17:24.34 | Bombo | wherever apt-get update saves them |
| 17:24.39 | wols_ | Achilles: cause you never ever need all packages on a full CD which means you cause more traffic than necessary for mirrors |
| 17:24.52 | Achilles | bingo |
| 17:24.54 | wols_ | Bombo: apt-get already checks them |
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| 17:25.03 | xingu | cahoot: maybe; my notebook is a pretty modern system, pcie; gut feeling is I have one more error source to look at |
| 17:25.33 | onetinsoldier | xingu: looks like you're really going for some custom kernel code there. perhaps you need to be in touch with the developer of that code since you are running into trouble with it? |
| 17:25.40 | xingu | cahoot: the fact that the last crash was gpu-only gives me a hunch that I'm nearly on top of things |
| 17:25.45 | xingu | onetinsoldier: it's merged in 2.6.19 |
| 17:25.59 | onetinsoldier | xingu: oh! i see, hmmm |
| 17:26.04 | xingu | exactly |
| 17:27.03 | Bombo | wols_: i didnt see a resume or retry message there |
| 17:27.17 | Achilles | wols_, can u guide me to a site with netinst help and stuff? i mean debian tutorials |
| 17:27.21 | Bombo | the second apt-get update just didnt load anything |
| 17:27.30 | wols_ | !ig |
| 17:27.30 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 17:27.35 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: sorry. i didn't mean to ignore you. hang on |
| 17:27.43 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: ok ;) |
| 17:27.54 | wols_ | Bombo: that's to be expected since the first already updated all that's needed |
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| 17:28.24 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: are you still having any trouble? |
| 17:29.05 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: try apt-get -f install |
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| 17:29.46 | wols_ | Bombo: use ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 17:30.09 | bkudria | whenever i plug in my zaurus (in mass-storage device mode) it is reports multiple devices in /dev, (/dev/sdc, /dev/sdd, /dev/sde, /dev/sdf, etc), all alike (according to udev). How can i stop this, or at least blacklist the extra devies or something? |
| 17:30.14 | wols_ | I had similar problems recently with german mirrors |
| 17:30.38 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: doesnt look like trouble i'm just npot sure what happened at first |
| 17:30.49 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: apt-get upgrade is running |
| 17:31.04 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: ok, that's good! |
| 17:31.25 | Bombo | wols_: i hope it did fix the missing files... |
| 17:31.40 | muh2000 | "eth1 device not found" after a new kernel 2.6.19 no matter if monolith or modular... |
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| 17:33.55 | Bombo | ok upgrade done i'm running update again |
| 17:34.09 | cahoot | muh2000: does it show up in /proc/interrupts? |
| 17:34.15 | Bombo | "Ign http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Packages/DiffIndex" does that mean something? |
| 17:34.27 | Bombo | is that ok? he ignores security? ;) |
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| 17:35.06 | muh2000 | cahoot hm i have to check that later. i am running an older kernel again. |
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| 17:35.12 | Snaxework | what is official jabber client? |
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| 17:36.02 | jdavis_ | I am having problems with sound in iceweasel after I upgraded from firefox 1.5. I have the FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" |
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| 17:36.30 | muh2000 | and argh why the hell doesnt the kern.log saves the error parts of a boot up ? |
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| 17:36.51 | xingu | muh2000: bootlogd I think |
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| 17:37.21 | bkudria | whenever i plug in my zaurus (in mass-storage device mode) it is reports multiple devices in /dev, (/dev/sdc, /dev/sdd, /dev/sde, /dev/sdf, etc), all alike (according to udev). How can i stop this, or at least blacklist the extra devies or something? |
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| 17:37.34 | AndroidData | hi. I followed the instructions at http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier but DNSstuff reports mail.sineful.com: Timed out [Last data sent: RCPT TO: ] |
| 17:37.35 | AndroidData | what do I do? |
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| 17:38.27 | muh2000 | xingu where is the config file of bootlogd ? |
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| 17:39.01 | cahoot | muh2000: enable it in /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 17:40.41 | muh2000 | cahoot thnx. i will lookup all that error with eth1 later. |
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| 17:43.55 | creature | OK, so I'm having trouble building a custom kernel. On boot I get a kernel panic (see http://pastie.caboo.se/25161). |
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| 17:44.23 | creature | I've been through this with a few people here already; I do have ext2 and ext3 compiled in, and do have the PIIX IDE controller compiled in, and do have the PC partition type compiled in. |
| 17:44.36 | maher | hmm... on etch one of my machines is having problems - apt-get update isn't updating the lists in /var/alib/apt/lists - is anyone else having this problem? |
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| 17:45.06 | creature | My kernel config is at http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/kernelconfig.txt and my lspci output is at http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/lspci.txt. |
| 17:45.17 | maher | creature: are you using initrd? |
| 17:45.23 | creature | maher: I am not. |
| 17:45.24 | macubergeek | no |
| 17:45.38 | maher | creature: how are you building the kernel? |
| 17:45.44 | creature | I'm using make-kpkg. |
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| 17:46.34 | maher | creature: what boot loader? |
| 17:46.36 | pipeline | creature: Use a stock kernel. |
| 17:46.38 | creature | maher: Grub. |
| 17:47.08 | creature | pipeline: I don't want to do that, but please don't make me have this conversation again. |
| 17:47.11 | maher | creature: can you paste your grub config in the paster thingy |
| 17:47.39 | creature | maher: Not easily. The laptop (this is a laptop I'm trying to build, an IBM X30) has no internet access yet. |
| 17:47.45 | pipeline | creature: Your desires are not relevant. When you want to do foolish things, you waste our time. |
| 17:48.02 | creature | "I've got a broken leg. How do I heal it?" "Why don't you walk on your hands instead? It'll be easier and quicker." |
| 17:48.25 | xingu | um |
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| 17:48.38 | xingu | you realise you just inferred that the packaged kernels are crippled? |
| 17:49.02 | creature | That was not quite the point I was trying to make. |
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| 17:49.17 | creature | I'm trying to do something with my system that should, by rights, work fine. But it is not. |
| 17:49.48 | creature | I would like to fix the problem at hand, rather than trying to find a way around it. |
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| 17:50.45 | pipeline | creature: A poor analogy. And no, you're not doing something that should work fine. You're pretending it's 1990. It's not. Use the build system; it's there for a reason. |
| 17:51.10 | pipeline | You're giving me SunOS flashbacks. |
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| 17:51.20 | creature | Oh noes. |
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| 17:51.26 | Assid | hey |
| 17:51.46 | creature | pipeline: I need some modules that do not seem to be in the stock kernels. That's why I'm using it. |
| 17:52.15 | pipeline | creature: Now we're getting closer to what matters to you. Install the stock kernels, the appropriate compiler, and the corresponding header packages. You can then build and package modules independently of the kernel. |
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| 17:52.29 | pipeline | creature: What modules are you looking for? Many are packaged by debian in source form, for this very purpose. |
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| 17:53.08 | pipeline | creature: psst: "module-assistant" will automate portions of this for you, although I find it really annoying to use. |
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| 17:53.31 | creature | No, actually. What matters to me is figuring out how to build a booting kernel on my system. I like having that level of control. |
| 17:53.33 | Assid | any updates on a date for etch? |
| 17:53.47 | Assid | or still "in arrival" ? |
| 17:54.02 | creature | maher: Were there any particular bits of the grub config you were interested in? |
| 17:54.07 | pipeline | creature: And that's fantastically stupid. I haven't built a kernel by hand in, uh, a while. I don't know how long. Three years, perhaps? I was still in college the last time I did, at any rate. |
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| 17:54.41 | creature | pipeline: Just because it's not what you like doesn't make it fantastically stupid. Just different. |
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| 17:54.59 | pipeline | I disagree. Thank goodness I have /ignore. |
| 17:55.19 | enouf | senses a gentoosmite coming from left field |
| 17:55.22 | xingu | creature: is ide0 and hda probed and found? |
| 17:55.32 | xingu | creature: before the rootfs panic. |
| 17:55.53 | creature | xingu: I'm not sure. Hold up, and I'll reboot and tell you. |
| 17:56.21 | Assid | anyone know any update when etch goes stable? |
| 17:56.31 | creature | xingu: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X30 may help. That's the laptop I have. |
| 17:56.36 | Skiver | i'm back. |
| 17:56.40 | maher | creature: what are # kopt = and # groot= set to |
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| 17:56.57 | enouf | was just reading some various other #debian-* channels .. and man-o-man .. you can't make this shit up .. hilarious indeed .. sometimes downright goofy and sometimes insane .. feels like family to me :-P |
| 17:57.00 | creature | maher: Set in where? |
| 17:57.22 | onetinsoldier | Assid: i get the feeling it's going to be another couple of months |
| 17:57.33 | xingu | creature: in order; boot messages *must* with your config find - your pci bus, ide0, hda, and your partition table |
| 17:57.34 | maher | pipeline: just be quiet - why shouldn't someone learn how to manually configure their kernel if they want to? and when they get stuck why shouldn't they ask for help? |
| 17:57.45 | Assid | really? |
| 17:57.54 | maher | creature: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:57.56 | Assid | i thought they targetted december |
| 17:57.58 | xingu | creature: ... the last of which you will know when it dumps at least hda1 and hda5 |
| 17:58.18 | creature | xingu: How would you like me to tell you what I see? In reverse order (kernel panic backwards) or from the top of the screen down? |
| 17:58.18 | enouf | Assid: that's the goal . however .. |
| 17:58.20 | yang | how can i permanently define "setxkbmap" for a machine ? |
| 17:58.24 | wols_ | enouf: share! |
| 17:58.30 | xingu | creature: once you get that far - is your rootfs ext2/ext3? if not - there's your problem |
| 17:58.39 | enouf | wols_: hehe .. oh .. you'd love this stuff |
| 17:58.45 | Assid | oh well |
| 17:58.47 | onetinsoldier | Assid: well, one more month anyway. somehow I doubt it'll become stable this month, but i don't know anything for certain. i'm just guessing based on feeling. ;-) |
| 17:58.48 | xingu | creature: top down - just need to see that lot in order |
| 17:58.59 | creature | xingu: OK, give me a couple of iminutse and I'll type it into Pastebin. |
| 17:59.04 | Assid | oh well |
| 17:59.08 | Assid | guess we gotta wait |
| 17:59.10 | xingu | creature: you won't get the partition table dump if you don't get to the end |
| 17:59.10 | pipeline | maher: It's no longer a useful skill, and he's working outside the package system, which is a real pain in the ass. I would rather no one on earth understood how to screw up a kernel, because it would mean fewer messes for people like me to clean up :) |
| 17:59.17 | Assid | anways.. catch a in a bi.. i need to clear my mind |
| 17:59.22 | Assid | take a spin on me bike |
| 17:59.24 | xingu | creature: the actual output doesn't matter that much |
| 17:59.33 | xingu | creature: just need to ACK that you see the partition table dump |
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| 17:59.49 | cahoot | pipeline: since it's voluntary why bother? |
| 18:00.08 | enouf | wols_: it's a 3 step process (1) /join #channel , (2) set caching/log to a minimum of 250 lines (3) sit back and wait .. sooner or later the fireworks begin :-) |
| 18:00.26 | plutonas | i am helping a guy to compile a kernel in order to have cpu-frequency on his laptop. i sent him my .config file, as we have the same laptop, and he compiled it. then he has to install cpufreqd, is there something other to do then? because i dont remember????? |
| 18:00.27 | creature | xingu: I do not. |
| 18:00.32 | pipeline | cahoot: Well, it's not voluntary for me to clean up other people's messes elsewhere. Why should I encourage bad habits here that may, eventually, turn up somewhere else where it really matters? :P |
| 18:00.51 | xingu | creature: ok so one of the priors is missing; work backwards - which is it? |
| 18:01.03 | cydork | enouf: sunday started? :P |
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| 18:01.15 | wols_ | pipeline: just think about it: you EARN your money with other people's mess. If they don't mess up you might be out of a job. |
| 18:01.23 | cahoot | pipeline: oh - didn't realize you worki in the kernel mop up biziniz |
| 18:01.30 | wols_ | encouraging them not to screw up is loss of money for you |
| 18:01.31 | enouf | cydork: yep .. gotta jump on last week :-p |
| 18:01.41 | pipeline | wols_: Yeah, but it would be better for society as a whole :) |
| 18:02.56 | creature | xingu - http://pastie.caboo.se/25436 |
| 18:03.06 | onetinsoldier | you know, one thing that kicks ass about linux is you can learn how to compile your own custom kernel. if there's one thing you can't get in open source form and customzie in propietary payware OS's, it's the kernel! i think evryone should learn how to compile their own kernel! :) |
| 18:03.14 | cydork | enouf: heh that's the single when i get more beer.. :) |
| 18:03.26 | xingu | creature: I think I can see the fault in any case; I think your controller is a libsata controller (ich3) |
| 18:03.27 | enouf | plutonas: modprobe -l | grep cpufreq may give you a hint or two |
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| 18:03.32 | enouf | !beer cydork |
| 18:03.36 | GutterPunk | Hello |
| 18:03.58 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 18:03.58 | creature | xingu: Interesting. I didn't think the laptop would be up-to-date enough to have a SATA controller. |
| 18:04.10 | xingu | creature: ie you need SATA, SCSI_ATA_PIIX |
| 18:04.50 | creature | xingu: OK, I'll add that in. |
| 18:04.51 | GutterPunk | Is it possible to create a script that starts a new terminal in which an ssh session runs... but after that the script must run extra commands in this ssh session? For example, I need it to start an ssh session to a server where it updates and upgrades. |
| 18:05.11 | GutterPunk | Cause if I do this with an ssh command I get all kinds of errors (needs a tty.. so on) |
| 18:05.16 | xingu | creature: in your current userland, is your rootdev sda, or, hda? |
| 18:05.46 | creature | maher: my kopt line is set to "# kopt=root=/dev/hda5 ro" and my groot line is "# groot=(hd0,4)" |
| 18:05.48 | GutterPunk | Sometimes the upgrade even fails completely. So I need a complete ssh session in which the upgrade takes place. |
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| 18:06.04 | creature | xingu: "mount" shows all my devices to be on hda. |
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| 18:06.41 | enouf | plutonas: /etc/acpid (?) ... and modprobe -l | grep acpi even |
| 18:06.57 | enouf | plutonas: all this as root ofciurse |
| 18:06.58 | xingu | creature: ok; perhaps ata_piix is currently working in legacy emulation mode on your current kernel and also ceases to do so with your new one |
| 18:07.24 | xingu | creature: be aware that libsata uses the scsi blockdevs; you might also be in for an impromptu fstab re-edit. |
| 18:07.50 | GutterPunk | If you guys need to update a list of servers at once, how would you go about it? |
| 18:08.48 | creature | xingu: You said I need SATA, and SCSI_ATA_PIIX, and ata_piix. The PIIX options don't seem to be in kernel config for 2.6.19. |
| 18:08.54 | enouf | GutterPunk: nmap? |
| 18:09.28 | xingu | creature: in 2.6.19 it's changed again; the legacy core is all ATA instead. |
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| 18:09.40 | xingu | creature: ... but your .config pasted earlier was not a 2.6.19 .config |
| 18:10.02 | fas3r_ | do you know if it's possible to mesur the flow of my connection on all interface ( eth0, eth1,etc ) ? with ping ? :s |
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| 18:10.07 | GutterPunk | enouf, nmap? how would this upgrade all the servers? :) I don't need to get a listing of servers in a certain range :) but an actual script that runs on a remote host, logs on to each of the servers, and runs apt-get update && apt-get upgrade --yes |
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| 18:10.14 | creature | xingu: Yes it was. |
| 18:10.24 | creature | http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/kernelconfig.txt has the version right at the top. |
| 18:10.26 | GutterPunk | errm that runs on the local host |
| 18:10.33 | maher | GutterPunk: do have passwordless logons on these servers? |
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| 18:10.43 | enouf | GutterPunk: oh I completely misunderstood .. apoplogies |
| 18:10.43 | GutterPunk | maher, yes, we use ssh keys |
| 18:10.56 | maher | creature: ok - you grub info should be fine - I don't know why it isn't booting |
| 18:10.57 | enouf | -p even |
| 18:10.59 | xingu | creature: aah; in that case - CONFIG_ATA, CONFIG_ATA_PIIX |
| 18:11.55 | maher | GutterPunk: maybe you want dsh - but I have never used this and it sounds hazardous |
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| 18:12.47 | creature | maher: Awesome, thanks. |
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| 18:13.17 | creature | Erm, xingu: Awesome, thanks. |
| 18:13.21 | RvGaTe | For some reason i can only access my Filesystem, but not my fat32 "data" partition or my windows installation partition... giving me the error "unable to mount the selected volume" |
| 18:13.23 | GutterPunk | maher, hmm :) I'll check it our right away... Well running for example "ssh root@remoteserver apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" does work... but if dpkg has to configure the package it says it can't find a tty. Unlike when you actually log on via ssh and run apt-get upgrade there |
| 18:13.29 | xingu | creature: it may be that the pci ids have been updated such that your ich3 needs to bind to the libsata/ata_piix |
| 18:13.30 | creature | No offence, maher, but I think xingu's advice is the more awesome of the two of you. :) |
| 18:14.02 | enouf | !tell RvGaTe about vfat |
| 18:14.08 | enouf | !tell RvGaTe about vfatrw |
| 18:14.21 | maher | creature: no worries - its een a long time since I hand confiugred a kernel I'm afraid - it was always a pita as the names of things changed at random for different kernel versions... |
| 18:14.28 | xingu | creature: in any case it's a much better ata/ide implementation and worth using from that perspective |
| 18:14.53 | creature | xingu: OK. Well, I'm building a new kernel now. So in about an hour, we'll find out if it was the golden bullet or not. |
| 18:15.17 | enouf | RvGaTe: for ntfs .. /msg dpkg ntfs .. also if not mentioned there, apt-cache show ntfsprogs |
| 18:15.37 | RvGaTe | enouf, thx |
| 18:15.53 | enouf | ok |
| 18:16.19 | xingu | half an hour? :) what are you building this on, an nfs server colo'd in the sea of tranquility? |
| 18:16.31 | enouf | creature: have a looksee at linux-ata.org |
| 18:16.37 | creature | Heh. I said an hour. :) |
| 18:16.53 | creature | I haven't timed it exactly. I watched an episode of Dexter the other night, and it was finished by the end of that. :) |
| 18:16.55 | enouf | deducts 1/2 hour from everyone's paycheck :-P |
| 18:17.01 | maher | this is very strange - why would one box have an etch_Release file Nov 20, and the other Dec 02? |
| 18:17.15 | xingu | maher: 0dayz |
| 18:17.42 | maher | xingu: ? i've updated them both today |
| 18:17.52 | creature | Anyway, there's something else bothering me (on my desktop) this time. And I apologise now for being so vague with it. I rebooted my machine today, and now my sound no longer works. |
| 18:18.09 | xingu | creature: I must reiterate, switching to the libsata/ ata_piix driver will have you using the scsi blockdevs and you will need to update fstab accordingly |
| 18:18.12 | creature | I'm using ALSA; I'm guessing that maybe it's because I have my webcam plugged in, and ALSA probed that first and got it as a device, not my sundcard. |
| 18:18.15 | enouf | creature: alsa? gnome/kde? |
| 18:18.30 | enouf | doh |
| 18:18.38 | creature | And as the webcam is just a microphone, that's why it's not producing any sound. It looks like the right modules are loaded in lsmod to me. |
| 18:18.41 | creature | enouf: I use Fluxbox. |
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| 18:18.49 | enouf | ok |
| 18:18.55 | fasta | Are all packages in Debian available as source and binary? |
| 18:19.37 | wols_ | yes |
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| 18:19.50 | enouf | creature: alsaconf? maybe .. got alsa-utils installed? .. dpkg -l alsa* to see which are installed and which aren't |
| 18:19.52 | creature | xingu: Sorry, I'm not quite up to speed with that. I've compiled in CONFIG_ATA and CONFIG_ATA_PIIX. I'll have to switch to SCSI blockdevs for that? |
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| 18:20.25 | xingu | creature: yes |
| 18:20.26 | enouf | fasta: yes .. they should be AFAIK |
| 18:20.28 | creature | enouf: I've got alsa-utils installed, and alsaconf. |
| 18:20.32 | omry | I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.18 a while ago and ipmasq no longer works - tells me its not enabled in the kernel. when I browse the menuconfig I can't find ipmasq anywhere. |
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| 18:20.37 | wols_ | enouf: not just should. DFSG insist on it |
| 18:20.45 | enouf | creature: run alsaconf? .. |
| 18:20.55 | enouf | wols_: thank you for confirming :-) |
| 18:21.08 | creature | xingu: OK, then, how should I migrate so that both my current kernel and my old kernel are bootable? |
| 18:21.26 | xingu | creature: you'll need BLK_DEV_SD=y too unless you start using initramfs |
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| 18:21.29 | wols_ | creature: do you have SATA disks? is your old kernel a 2.4 one? |
| 18:21.36 | xingu | creature: "carefully" |
| 18:22.01 | creature | enouf: wols_ I do not, but it looks like I use a chipset that uses some kind of bridge to access it. |
| 18:22.03 | wols_ | omry: network setup |
| 18:22.06 | enouf | !customer |
| 18:22.06 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:22.22 | xingu | creature: it's a big bang I'm afraid; first part is to get something bootstrapped that can see your hdd |
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| 18:22.36 | omry | wols_, I browsed through it. (used the search), but I can't find how to turn it on. |
| 18:23.01 | creature | enouf: That got my sound going again, thanks. |
| 18:23.06 | xingu | creature: your rescue if it all goes wrong is "root=/dev/[sd]a5 init=/bin/bash" |
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| 18:23.35 | enouf | creature: hehe .. lucky guess on my part :-) so not sure how to make it "stick" upon reboot |
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| 18:23.56 | wols_ | omry: grep for NETFILTER |
| 18:24.12 | omry | wols_, grep what, .config? |
| 18:24.16 | wols_ | yxe |
| 18:24.21 | creature | enouf: Well, the webcam's pretty pants, so I'm unlikely to have it plugged in next time I reboot. :) |
| 18:24.45 | creature | xingu: OK, I've added the BLK_DEV_SD into my kernel and am rebuilding now. |
| 18:24.55 | omry | wols_, CONFIG_NETFILTER=y |
| 18:24.55 | enouf | creature: pretty panties? .. what .. don't make me horny .. dammit! |
| 18:25.06 | creature | Hee. No, just pants. |
| 18:25.06 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:25.11 | enouf | oh .. ok |
| 18:25.18 | xingu | creature: must confess I'm mystified as to why BLK_DEV_PIIX can't see your host in legacy mode |
| 18:25.19 | creature | It's a UVC device, and it's got some obscure USB bug in it. |
| 18:25.49 | creature | There's some timing issue with it that's triggered on Linux and not Windows. The developers of the uvc module are working on it, but no progress yet. |
| 18:25.53 | enouf | !slap me with a dose of reality |
| 18:26.39 | creature | xingu: Yeah, I was pretty puzzled too. I'm sure it's my fault, though. |
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| 18:28.38 | jazbo2185 | Hey folks I'm trying to run this ATI capture card program called gatos and when I `gatos-conf` I get "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server". Any thoughts? |
| 18:29.10 | maher | maybe one of the us.debian.org mirrrors is out of sync... |
| 18:29.39 | onetinsoldier | jazbo2185: are you trying to run this as root? |
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| 18:30.12 | jazbo2185 | onetinsoldier: yes |
| 18:30.16 | xingu | creature: what does lspci -ns 00:1f.1 say? |
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| 18:30.47 | ttl- | hi |
| 18:30.48 | enouf | jazbo2185: no clue what that 'gatos' is .. and 'Gxxx' named apps have a way of rearing their ugly twisted head today .. but maybe an .Xauthority issue |
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| 18:30.57 | onetinsoldier | jazbo2185: are you in X at the time? and did you start X or log into X as a regular user and then 'su' to root? |
| 18:31.01 | creature | xingu: http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/lspci.txt contains output for lspci, lspci -n, and lspci -v. Maybe that helps? |
| 18:31.06 | pipeline | Gatos is an ATI Mach64 / Rage / Radeon driver that handles 2D and video utput. |
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| 18:31.20 | xingu | creature: oh, missed the last section before |
| 18:31.25 | ttl- | what do i need to communicate with my Asus A632N PDA ? |
| 18:31.25 | xingu | creature: silly me |
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| 18:31.37 | ttl- | i need to upload some files to the pda |
| 18:31.38 | jazbo2185 | onetinsoldier: yes I'm in X at the time and I `su root` from a terminal (Konsole) |
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| 18:33.03 | onetinsoldier | jazbo2185: try export the Xauthority of the regaulr user to the root user.... export "XAUTHORITY=/home/onetinsoldier/.Xauthority" (replace onetinsoldier with your regualr user's name) |
| 18:33.07 | khermans_ | anyone familiar with dhcp3? -- i want all PXE booting hosts to grab the bootfile, but I don't want to specify 1000 hardware addresses manually in the conf file -- any ideas? |
| 18:33.10 | enouf | jazbo2185: you know root has it's own stored settings inside /root right? |
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| 18:33.32 | onetinsoldier | s/regualr/regualr |
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| 18:33.43 | onetinsoldier | gawdamnit! |
| 18:33.57 | onetinsoldier | s/regualr/regular ...lol |
| 18:33.58 | obi_tux_kenobi | hi all, where can i find the mdsum for the netinstall cd? |
| 18:34.09 | enouf | stamps "irregular" upon onetinsoldier |
| 18:34.13 | enouf | :-) |
| 18:34.15 | onetinsoldier | rofl! |
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| 18:34.23 | jazbo2185 | onetinsoldier: enouf: isn't there a way to do this with kdesu or something? I just cant seem to remember |
| 18:34.36 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: in the parent Dir from where you got it |
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| 18:35.01 | creature | This is entirely something I can find out from the web, I'm sure, but I don't suppose any of you know if/how Apple wifi networks play with Linux? |
| 18:35.07 | enouf | jazbo2185: well now .. KDE is a diff beast entirely and uses the kio_slave |
| 18:35.12 | obi_tux_kenobi | enouf, the download started right from the debian.org site |
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| 18:35.20 | FarrisG | Can someone explain to me why most people/docs instruct you to enforce postfix sasl/auth via smtpd_recipient_restrictions instead of smtpd_client_restrictions? |
| 18:35.25 | ttl- | is there some popular linux app to communicate with pdas ? |
| 18:35.26 | xingu | creature: still can't rationalise this result; both ide/piix and ata/ata_piix support that controller |
| 18:35.27 | onetinsoldier | jazbo2185: perhaps if you log out as root and then do... 'su -' ...does anyone know if that'll work? |
| 18:35.30 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: navigate up one Dir to the parent |
| 18:35.32 | creature | A friend of mine has one of those dongles you plug into the outlet, and plug an ethernet cable in the other bit, and it provides a wireless access point. |
| 18:36.03 | enouf | jazbo2185: try ctrl-alt-f2 and login as root and run from there maybe |
| 18:36.24 | obi_tux_kenobi | enouf, it isnt there |
| 18:36.37 | onetinsoldier | enouf: he might need to be in X to run what he's trying to run... i'm not sure tho |
| 18:36.57 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: paste the URL you have for d/ling .. I forget where it is for each variation of installation |
| 18:37.09 | jazbo2185 | onetinsoldier: `su - root` then runing gatos conf seems to get rid of the "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" now I just get "IBTK: Unable to open DISPLAY!". Okay part way there, thanks |
| 18:37.14 | enouf | onetinsoldier: no clue |
| 18:37.19 | creature | xingu: Yeah, it's weird. |
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| 18:37.31 | creature | I've been building kernels for years, and I don't think I've ever made one that fails to boot before. |
| 18:37.46 | creature | I've missed other modules and bits and pieces out and done other brain-damaged stuff, but a non-booting one was a new one for me. :) |
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| 18:37.59 | onetinsoldier | jazbo2185: hehe.. ok, cool. can't help with that next error tho. wish i could |
| 18:38.03 | Yasser | how do i register my nick? plz help |
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| 18:38.08 | enouf | jazbo2185: no .. you exit ..then use 'su -' exactly |
| 18:38.30 | jazbo2185 | Yah sounds like a gatos prob. Thanks again |
| 18:38.37 | enouf | Yasser: /msg NickServ Register help |
| 18:38.40 | onetinsoldier | sure... you're welcome |
| 18:38.44 | obi_tux_kenobi | enough on this site //http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst then i clicked i386 for stable |
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| 18:39.09 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: ok .. lemmee see |
| 18:39.24 | d0glesby | Anyone familiar with the SPARC port of Debian? I'm trying to get this to install on an SS20 and SS5, but the installer gives me a blank screen after configuring the network. |
| 18:39.59 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: see http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:40.34 | Yasser | REGISTER may13125 |
| 18:40.46 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: if you use a Browser that displays the URL link info/location .. it's a non-issue to find the parent Dir |
| 18:42.16 | xingu | creature: does your booted kernel have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_HD enabled? |
| 18:42.24 | obi_tux_kenobi | enouf, thanks, i am hoping after installing that i will be able to get wireless goin |
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| 18:42.40 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps how do i fix the authentiaction problem with apt-get? |
| 18:42.47 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: no prob .. |
| 18:42.55 | bbelt16ag | !apt-get |
| 18:42.55 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 18:43.29 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: have you considered installing testing instead of stable? |
| 18:43.36 | creature | xingu: I'm not sure. How do I find out? |
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| 18:44.02 | xingu | creature: grep, /boot/config-`uname -r` probably |
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| 18:44.21 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: I 2nd onetinsoldier's suggest for testing/Etch for wireless functionality |
| 18:45.11 | bbelt16ag | ok that didnt help |
| 18:45.16 | enouf | creature: for ex: grep ATA /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:45.19 | bbelt16ag | come on surly somebody has had this problem? |
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| 18:45.28 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.35 | bbelt16ag | how do i update them for apt-get? |
| 18:45.57 | enouf | bbelt16ag: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 18:46.08 | xingu | also, /topic. |
| 18:46.11 | enouf | bbelt16ag: /topic |
| 18:46.16 | enouf | dat too :-P |
| 18:46.40 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: are you still here? |
| 18:46.40 | creature | xingu: My booted kernel doesn't even have that option. |
| 18:46.45 | creature | It's 2.6.8. |
| 18:46.52 | xingu | creature: neat. :) |
| 18:46.56 | maher | bah - my universities dns seems to be rubbish |
| 18:46.57 | enouf | onetinsoldier: no .. I killed obiwan :-P |
| 18:47.14 | obi_tux_kenobi | onetinsoldier, i am here |
| 18:47.17 | onetinsoldier | enouf: you are on the dark side? |
| 18:47.25 | enouf | heh .. resurrected |
| 18:47.43 | enouf | onetinsoldier: not really . but I play one on irc :-P |
| 18:47.57 | obi_tux_kenobi | onetinsoldier, i plan on installing stable and upgrading to etch |
| 18:47.58 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: did you see me and anouf messages to you? |
| 18:48.16 | enouf | anouf? .. wtf is that? |
| 18:48.23 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: ohh, well you can install etch straight up |
| 18:48.24 | obi_tux_kenobi | it is a machine i use for school |
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| 18:48.32 | enouf | onetinsoldier: learn Tab-completion :-p |
| 18:48.54 | onetinsoldier | enouf: ok.. sorry man |
| 18:48.58 | obi_tux_kenobi | onetinsoldier, right now i am worried about how not to fubar my fedora install |
| 18:49.13 | enouf | onetinsoldier: just kidding :-) |
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| 18:49.27 | onetinsoldier | enouf: ok.. hehe |
| 18:49.37 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: do you have grub installed on it? |
| 18:50.03 | xingu | creature: CONFIG_MCA? ye gods. :) |
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| 18:50.19 | creature | xingu: I think that was one of the things I thought I'd err on the side of caution of. |
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| 18:50.39 | creature | I'm pretty sure this thing hasn't got that or an ISA bus, but I think some of the temperature sensors etc. use a kind of weird onboard ISA thing, or something. |
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| 18:50.43 | creature | It was a while since I looked at it. |
| 18:51.14 | obi_tux_kenobi | onetinsoldier, not yet |
| 18:51.19 | xingu | creature: I'm pretty sure that unless it's a ps/2 circa late 80's it's not got an MCA bus. :) |
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| 18:51.32 | obi_tux_kenobi | unless fedora comes with grub onetinsoldier |
| 18:51.43 | pipeline | xingu: IBM kept making MCA systems until the mid 90s :X |
| 18:51.53 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: i wouldn't know. just do it however you want :) |
| 18:51.54 | pipeline | Linux doesn't work very well on anything MCA, though :( |
| 18:52.23 | enouf | conjurs up some VLBus schematics |
| 18:52.40 | xingu | pipeline: it did circa '95-'96 |
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| 18:53.08 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: just to let you know, i was going to recommend you make a grub-install rescue boot floppy for your fedora, if possible |
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| 18:53.10 | xingu | pipeline: that was my bitch box for network troubleshooting; it had a *thundering* 10mbit coax tap and all |
| 18:53.16 | enouf | Riser cards are now the new solid-state iRAM .. install please |
| 18:53.23 | klohunt | I am running etch and am wondering how I can install the Nvidia drivers? |
| 18:53.30 | obi_tux_kenobi | onetinsoldier, does testing support ipw 3495 wireless ? |
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| 18:53.59 | creature | xingu: Well, if I have to recompile yet again I'll kill that bit off. |
| 18:54.13 | enouf | obi_tux_kenobi: the point is if the choie is between stable and testing .. then testing has much newer hardware support |
| 18:54.20 | enouf | choice even |
| 18:54.58 | onetinsoldier | obi_tux_kenobi: i don't know. i don't know much of anything about wireless, but i see a lot of people are using it and fiddling with getting it working these days |
| 18:54.58 | obi_tux_kenobi | i have used testing in the past |
| 18:54.58 | klohunt | Does anyone know the best way to install the Nvdia drivers? |
| 18:54.59 | xingu | creature: I still can't work out why your ich3 has fallen out in 2.6.19 land, and my concern is that without understanding the fault's origin switching drivers/transports may not be enough to resuscitate it |
| 18:54.59 | onetinsoldier | i used to use unstable a few years back |
| 18:55.14 | xingu | creature: it is absolutely key that at some point during bootup you see the ide0 bus probed and found |
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| 18:55.22 | xingu | creature: if that's not happening your config has no chance :| |
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| 18:56.08 | klohunt | Etch uses XFree86? |
| 18:56.12 | xingu | creature: I guess my comparison is all 2.6.18->.19, the delta from .8->.19 is mindnumbingly larger |
| 18:56.21 | onetinsoldier | no |
| 18:56.29 | xingu | creature: it's possible that the ephemereal "something" has knackered it |
| 18:56.29 | onetinsoldier | etch uses Xorg 7.1 |
| 18:56.39 | klohunt | ahh |
| 18:56.41 | klohunt | ok |
| 18:56.45 | onetinsoldier | :) |
| 18:56.49 | creature | xingu: Well, I thought I would reboot with a new kernel and see if I get further. I imagine it should get somewhat further before encountering a missing /etc/mount. |
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| 18:57.16 | xingu | creature: yes exactly, it should get the partition table and mount root and try to start init |
| 18:57.30 | xingu | creature: it'll get as far as single user mounts and then explode with a bang |
| 18:57.40 | xingu | creature: then, you get to repair fstab and stumble blindly on |
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| 18:58.58 | klohunt | Does anyone have an nvidia video card working in etch? |
| 18:59.03 | xingu | creature: the only thing I will say is that you must be running pretty close to the NOHIGHMEM limits for bzImage size |
| 18:59.36 | xingu | creature: so you might at some point wind up building so much of your config in the monolithic chunk that you can't second-stage load it |
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| 19:00.21 | creature | klohunt: I do. |
| 19:00.37 | klohunt | creature: what driver do you use? |
| 19:00.39 | creature | xingu: I'll tell you how big it is when I finish this build. |
| 19:00.47 | creature | klohunt: I use Nvidia's own. |
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| 19:01.04 | creature | Technically, I have a card from a company called Albatron, but it's got an Nvidia chipset. |
| 19:01.21 | klohunt | creature: oh, ok. is that downloadable from Nvidia's website? |
| 19:01.28 | creature | klohunt: Yep. |
| 19:01.32 | xingu | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 19:01.38 | micky | Hello, I find a command to list the files not install by the packet debian |
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| 19:01.43 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:01.43 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 19:01.51 | xingu | damn, almost looked clever there |
| 19:01.56 | creature | klohunt: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| 19:02.17 | klohunt | creature: thanks! |
| 19:02.27 | creature | klohunt: You may want to look at xingu's method. |
| 19:02.35 | creature | It's much closer to the "Debian way". |
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| 19:03.19 | klohunt | ok |
| 19:03.48 | klohunt | but doesnt nvidia-glx rely on Xfree86? |
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| 19:04.36 | xingu | what does apt-cache show say? |
| 19:04.49 | Oins | hi. can anyone help me with apache (2.2.3-3) and phpmyadmin (2.9.1.1). I get the following error at the error.log: "/phpmyadm/.htaccess: Option FollowSymLinks not allowed here". Have i forget a module to load? |
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| 19:06.46 | staniel | hello |
| 19:07.01 | QrX | o/ |
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| 19:07.43 | staniel | when I try to run gnome as a user, I get an error for "Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected". |
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| 19:07.59 | wols_ | I want program that can run in background (console/daemon) which records audio streams. basically a VCR for internet radio. is there suhc a thing available? |
| 19:08.09 | Xenguy | Hi, I need hardware advice - I want to buy a new bigger HD, but all I have used so far is regular ATA drives. Are there any possible problems with adding a 2nd Ultra-ATA drive (no I don't want SATA at this time). Will Ubuntu support these Ultra-ATA drives alright? |
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| 19:08.33 | wols_ | Xenguy: we can't know. we are not #ubuntu |
| 19:08.39 | Xenguy | s/Ubuntu/Debian/ |
| 19:08.45 | wols_ | too late |
| 19:08.49 | wols_ | ask #ubuntu |
| 19:08.50 | Eulex | wols_, I think mplayer will do that |
| 19:08.59 | Xenguy | I run both so don't sweat that too much :-) |
| 19:09.11 | creature | xingu: 41 minutes to recompile. |
| 19:09.11 | wols_ | Eulex: is there a good UI, client program or web for "programming" it? |
| 19:09.13 | xingu | wols_: "internet radio" ... you could do that with shoutcast/ icecast from memory |
| 19:09.14 | EvilSporkMan | my computer suddenly stopped doing anything when i turn it on (doesn't wake up the monitor, beep, or boot an OS, as evidenced by playing with the keyboard after letting it run for a bit.) I've replaced mobo and proc to no avail, and just verified that video card and RAM work by swapping them out. any ideas? |
| 19:09.28 | CharminTheMoose | debian != ubuntu |
| 19:09.41 | wols_ | xingu: icecast is a streaming server. not a recording program |
| 19:10.02 | staniel | does anyone know what the entropy gathering module is? |
| 19:10.02 | EvilSporkMan | (bouncing me to a more appropriate channel would be nice too) |
| 19:10.05 | xingu | wols_: you'll be fighting the idea that everybody wants a barge arsed skinnable themable gui with flashing bits to run as a desktop app though |
| 19:10.07 | creature | mplayer will, indeed, record audio streams. |
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| 19:10.09 | noxo` | Hi |
| 19:10.15 | creature | I think you want its -dump option. |
| 19:10.18 | xingu | wols_: yeah, but you can set it up as a stream subscriber too |
| 19:10.32 | wols_ | xingu: which is why I asked in #debian and not #ubuntu (or #windows, or...) :P |
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| 19:10.41 | xingu | wols_: is the stream http? what transport layer? |
| 19:10.47 | xingu | wols_: if it's http just wget it. :) |
| 19:10.49 | onetinsoldier | EvilSporkMan: do you know if the mobo is receiving any power at all? power supply problem? |
| 19:11.12 | wols_ | thats the problme. our radio stations that have those programs sometimes even use shitty wma or realmedia :( |
| 19:11.17 | wols_ | which makes mplayer tempting |
| 19:11.28 | xingu | ... and possibly the only choice |
| 19:11.36 | creature | xingu: My kernel is 1.7Mb. Is that too big? |
| 19:11.47 | yang | Is any chance there to recover error: hda read_intr status =0x59 Driveready, Seekcomplete, Datarequest error error=0x40 sector=17420 |
| 19:11.49 | robin_sz | too small |
| 19:11.49 | EvilSporkMan | onetinsoldier: the fans spin up (including CPU), the little red LED on the mobo goes on when i turn on the power supply and another little green LED goes on when i turn on the computer proper. the power supply has been replaced in the not-too-distant past. by the way, it's an Athlon 64 socket 754 if that makes a difference |
| 19:12.02 | xingu | wols_: you start getting all proprietry encoded on my ass and there's not much to be done; can mencoder work on a uri? |
| 19:12.03 | wols_ | and god knows what transport layer since it "plays" in a browser only often. could be rtsp or whatever |
| 19:12.16 | creature | xingu: Yes, it can. |
| 19:12.17 | xingu | wols_: null transform, network source file sink |
| 19:12.26 | xingu | wols_: et viola |
| 19:12.32 | xingu | piracy'r'us |
| 19:12.36 | onetinsoldier | EvilSporkMan: ok.. roger. i don't know what to think at the moment |
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| 19:12.45 | wols_ | xingu: no choice. it's public radio stations but still using proprietary things up the wazoo |
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| 19:12.56 | wols_ | they even stop transmitting after half hour |
| 19:13.00 | EvilSporkMan | yeah i'm stumped too |
| 19:13.07 | wols_ | so you have to manually restart the stream |
| 19:13.21 | xingu | creature: you'll find out when you try and boot it... :) |
| 19:13.22 | onetinsoldier | EvilSporkMan: yeah, you've done some troubleshooting already, so.... hmmm |
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| 19:14.14 | xingu | wols_: sounds like mencoder might be worth a shot then |
| 19:14.14 | creature | xingu: I get the same panic. But I think I saw something about the IDE controller flash past. |
| 19:14.20 | wols_ | yep |
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| 19:14.46 | xingu | creature: shift pageup/pagedown scrolls maybe? |
| 19:14.46 | onetinsoldier | EvilSporkMan: the only thing you haven't replaced/swapped out is the ram? |
| 19:14.57 | EvilSporkMan | onetinsoldier: i tried booting with a buddy's stick of RAM |
| 19:14.59 | creature | xingu: No, that doesn't work. |
| 19:15.12 | Eulex | wols_, dunno if gmplayer would do that. othewise you'll have to use the command line interface. and well, you asked for a console/daemon program |
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| 19:15.17 | xingu | creature: c-pgup or c-s-pageup? |
| 19:15.17 | creature | The laptop is flashing the caps lock and scroll lock logos at me. I think that's a kernel panic thing, though. |
| 19:15.22 | onetinsoldier | EvilSporkMan: roger. i wish i knew of a good channel to refer you to |
| 19:15.25 | jazbo2185 | Hey folks, when I `xawtv` I get (among other things) "can't open /dev/video0: No such device". Any thoughts? |
| 19:15.26 | creature | xingu: Nope. |
| 19:15.28 | xingu | creature: oh righty |
| 19:15.31 | creature | Looks like it's completely hung itself. |
| 19:15.35 | EvilSporkMan | jazbo2185: are you in the group video? |
| 19:15.51 | creature | Is there a boot parameter I can pass to say start up very slowly"? |
| 19:15.54 | creature | Or a line at a time? |
| 19:16.05 | xingu | creature: no, but maybe vga=ask will get you an 80x60 mode |
| 19:16.24 | asg | or vga=normal |
| 19:16.28 | jazbo2185 | EvilSporkMan: yes |
| 19:16.33 | creature | vga=ask or vga=normal? |
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| 19:16.59 | onetinsoldier | creature: i don't know. but once it get to a certain point you can use ctrl-s to stop it and scroll up a ways to look things over, then ctrl-q to resume |
| 19:17.06 | xingu | creature: =ask |
| 19:17.36 | creature | That doesn't look good on my panel. |
| 19:17.56 | creature | Doesn't look right. |
| 19:18.04 | creature | Uniform Multi-Playtform E-IDE driver Revision |
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| 19:18.21 | xingu | yeah, it'll be a bit fugly |
| 19:18.21 | creature | and then an ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes. |
| 19:18.24 | EvilSporkMan | is it easy to short the mobo to the case with a PCI card bracket? |
| 19:18.36 | creature | I mean, it causes my screen to flicker horribly. |
| 19:18.39 | xingu | creature: hey that's good news; now did it find sda? |
| 19:18.58 | creature | xingu: No. |
| 19:19.02 | EvilSporkMan | the one for my (AGP) video card is kinda tight in there. also, even if i run the box for a couple minutes, the heatsink is downright cold |
| 19:19.04 | creature | I don't think it is good news. |
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| 19:19.14 | xingu | creature: how about hdc? |
| 19:19.17 | creature | I compiled in that bit of the kernel - I'm not sure it's finding anything, it's just there. |
| 19:19.23 | creature | Nothing showed up anything about any of the HDs. |
| 19:19.32 | xingu | creature: hdc would be cdrom... |
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| 19:19.36 | EvilSporkMan | oh, i have not plugged in any IDE or SATA drives. that is not necessary, correct? |
| 19:20.02 | creature | xingu: I'd be even more surprised if it found one of those. The laptop doesn't have one. |
| 19:20.09 | xingu | oh. :) |
| 19:20.47 | xingu | creature: well, the good news is that both implementations are equally screwed; this leaves us with "something" being bung in the config |
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| 19:21.17 | xingu | creature: at least this boot found the controller |
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| 19:21.38 | creature | xingu: I'm really not sure it did find the controller. |
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| 19:21.56 | creature | Surely that IDE message is just saying "I am part of the kernel, and I am alive."? |
| 19:22.10 | creature | Rather than "Ah ha, I have a hard disk controller here that I can talk to." |
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| 19:22.32 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:22.48 | xingu | creature: true, did it follow up with "ide0: BM-DMA ..." ? |
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| 19:23.05 | creature | Nope. Nothing like that. |
| 19:23.24 | xingu | creature: right, ok so still even that is hosed... hrm. |
| 19:23.35 | xingu | creature: there must be something not #defined in that config I think |
| 19:23.44 | xingu | creature: but fecked if I can spot it |
| 19:24.21 | creature | Hold on. I'll scoot into the other room and upload the latest version of my config. |
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| 19:25.53 | ahlfors | Re initramfs, I've never understood that idea. Why can't the modules be stored on a filesystem bundled with the kernel image itself? |
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| 19:26.22 | xingu | ahlfors: ... that's precisely what initramfs is... |
| 19:26.35 | Nosferatu | My office recently changed the corporate proxy server, and the address is https://host:4433 and I can't get apt (or a number of other utilities) to work at all. |
| 19:26.39 | creature | xingu: OK, this is from my last built kernel. The one we just tried to build. |
| 19:26.48 | creature | http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/kernelconfig.txt |
| 19:26.51 | Nosferatu | Can apt use https:? |
| 19:26.55 | xingu | creature: yeah I wanna compare to your original one anyway |
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| 19:27.22 | xingu | creature: unfortunately I orphanned this part of my history when my last notebook packed it in |
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| 19:29.16 | EvilSporkMan | well i'm going to try a different PSU and running the mobo outside of the caes |
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| 19:30.48 | staniel | can anyone help me with the entropy gathering module - or that lack there of? |
| 19:31.20 | onetinsoldier | staniel: what the error message again? |
| 19:31.41 | onetinsoldier | staniel: what version of debian are you using? stable? testing? |
| 19:31.42 | staniel | Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected |
| 19:31.42 | creature | xingu: What do you mean by original? |
| 19:31.45 | staniel | unstable |
| 19:31.51 | creature | It's just the config from the Debian 2.6.8 kernel package. |
| 19:31.51 | onetinsoldier | oh |
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| 19:32.26 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:32.32 | x_link | How do I logut from X ? |
| 19:32.45 | x_link | I want to come to a command line. |
| 19:33.00 | xingu | creature: the one you pasted hours back |
| 19:33.00 | dvs | x_link: open a terminal |
| 19:33.02 | simonrvn | staniel: you *did* run menuconfig or something like it right, before you compile it? |
| 19:33.06 | x_link | dvs: Done. |
| 19:33.24 | x_link | I need to kill X cause I will install this nvidia driver. |
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| 19:33.32 | creature | xingu: Sorry, I blitzed that one. |
| 19:33.34 | staniel | simonrvn: no |
| 19:33.36 | simonrvn | compiled* |
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| 19:33.38 | dvs | x_link: ah. Ctrl-Alt-BackSpace |
| 19:33.44 | x_link | I did that. |
| 19:33.45 | staniel | is it a kernel mordule I need to load? |
| 19:33.46 | xingu | creature: diffing verses my booted 2.6.19 to see if I can pick what's missed; unfortunately although I once had ia32 hardware booted with no initramfs - now I don't; so this will be a little more tedious than it should be |
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| 19:33.51 | x_link | That takes me to the login prompt. |
| 19:33.56 | xingu | creature: hey no probs, I grabbed it about 5min before you did. :) |
| 19:33.56 | x_link | And I can't choose Command line there. |
| 19:34.03 | creature | xingu: Awesome. |
| 19:34.10 | simonrvn | staniel: well, you need to if it's a different kernel version |
| 19:34.18 | staniel | xlink: ctrl alt f1, do ctrl alt f7 to get back to teh gui |
| 19:34.19 | creature | I did take out some SATA controllers from it. Apart from that, it should just have the changes we discussed here. |
| 19:34.21 | vin` | x_link: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 19:34.29 | x_link | staniel: Okey |
| 19:34.32 | staniel | simonrvn: so whats the mdoule I need to load? |
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| 19:34.55 | simonrvn | normally it doesn't need one, it's a built-in |
| 19:35.00 | x_link | THanks |
| 19:35.24 | simonrvn | unless you have some hard EG |
| 19:35.28 | simonrvn | hardware* |
| 19:35.47 | simonrvn | then it could be modular or built-in |
| 19:35.53 | staniel | simonnvr: nope |
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| 19:36.10 | staniel | it just happened since I upgrade to kernel 2.6.18 (using the debian kernel) |
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| 19:36.59 | simonrvn | ok, so i have this clear: you took a 2.6.8 debian kernel config for a 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 19:37.00 | jazbo2185 | Is it possible to use the capture functionality of an ATI (radeon 7500) video card. It seems like people have done it but I cant for the life of me figure out what I need to do |
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| 19:37.26 | staniel | simonrvn: uhh? |
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| 19:37.30 | rfrank | aahh |
| 19:37.33 | rfrank | did #wine die or something |
| 19:37.35 | creature | xingu: If you spot anything else I can take out safely (like MCA), do shout. |
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| 19:38.13 | simonrvn | staniel: sorry, confused... shouldn't do this on no coffee =) |
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| 19:38.22 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: you are aware he's having a problem starting up gnome... correct? |
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| 19:38.24 | xingu | creature: EISA. :) |
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| 19:38.51 | simonrvn | onetinsoldier: what? i'm not *that* confused |
| 19:38.52 | dvs | xingu: no, MCA! ;-) |
| 19:39.03 | x_link | Ctrl+Alt+F1 didn't stop the X server |
| 19:39.07 | onetinsoldier | simonrvn: ok, just making sure. sorry |
| 19:39.16 | simonrvn | x_link: it won't either |
| 19:39.22 | x_link | When I want to install this nVIDIA driver it told me that the X server is still running |
| 19:39.26 | x_link | I need to stop it totaly. |
| 19:39.40 | dvs | x_link: Have you tried logging out? |
| 19:39.42 | x_link | Is that possible ? I want to kill X totaly and just be in command line. |
| 19:39.43 | blondie | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 19:39.51 | staniel | I should add, that I tried running gnome-session as root (yeah yeah security) and it did work |
| 19:39.55 | simonrvn | of course it's possible |
| 19:39.59 | blondie | assuming you use gdm which is the default |
| 19:40.14 | x_link | gdm ? gnome login promt blondie |
| 19:40.28 | blondie | gnome display manager |
| 19:40.29 | x_link | dvs: When I choose logout I just come to the loginpromt. |
| 19:40.37 | blondie | did you try that? |
| 19:40.38 | x_link | to kdm loginprompt |
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| 19:40.44 | dvs | x_link: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 19:40.50 | blondie | fine, replace gdm with kdm whatever |
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| 19:41.06 | eegore | How do I open ports for an application |
| 19:41.16 | blondie | they're open by default |
| 19:41.28 | blondie | not sure what you're asking, eegore |
| 19:41.32 | simonrvn | they're open when something listens on them |
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| 19:41.44 | simonrvn | and no, there's no default filtering |
| 19:41.55 | x_link | ahh |
| 19:41.58 | x_link | this doesn't work. |
| 19:42.03 | x_link | Thanks anyway |
| 19:42.20 | eegore | I am running a game server for someone and I don't seem to have the ports listening to allow client connection |
| 19:42.22 | simonrvn | x_link: what command are you issuing? |
| 19:42.31 | Bombo | is there a deb package somewhere for "mythtv" ? |
| 19:42.44 | x_link | /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 19:42.47 | simonrvn | !tell Bombo about search |
| 19:42.49 | x_link | That only stops the login prompt |
| 19:43.10 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 19:43.10 | simonrvn | well, yeh... which stops the x server, or should be normally... |
| 19:43.11 | x_link | Usage: /etc/init.d/gdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload} |
| 19:43.24 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:43.24 | numk | lol |
| 19:43.38 | simonrvn | that's not ...kdm stop |
| 19:43.44 | Bombo | apt-cache search mythtv doesnt show anything |
| 19:43.51 | simonrvn | Bombo: sarge? |
| 19:44.11 | simonrvn | only in more recent debian is there any such things |
| 19:44.13 | x_link | Well |
| 19:44.14 | x_link | Thaks anyway |
| 19:44.22 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 19:44.48 | simonrvn | we cannot help those who cannot or will not help themselves |
| 19:45.09 | staniel | simonrvn: you got that I can run gnome-session as root right? so maybe its a permission problem? |
| 19:45.12 | rfrank | is there a guide somewhere to compiling and installing a newer kernel |
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| 19:45.26 | Bombo | simonrvn: etch |
| 19:45.37 | rfrank | cause whenever I start my system I see something about udev and kernel not being above 2.6 |
| 19:45.50 | simonrvn | hm, maybe hasn't made it to etch yet, or has, and in non-free |
| 19:46.19 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i will try to help you if you want. i'm not an expert like some people around here tho |
| 19:46.19 | blondie | rfrank: why do you want to compile one? |
| 19:46.27 | ahlfors | rfrank, udev requires >=2.6.15 IIRC |
| 19:46.40 | blondie | compiling is not the debian way ;) |
| 19:46.40 | onetinsoldier | everyone should learn to compile a kernel! :) |
| 19:46.50 | blondie | what for? there's no point |
| 19:46.51 | itchi | rfrank: hhhm Sarge to Etch upgrade? |
| 19:46.52 | onetinsoldier | right.. it's the linux way! |
| 19:46.56 | rfrank | I probably don't need to blondie I just want to install a newer one.. although compiling a kernel would probably be a good experience |
| 19:47.00 | blondie | it's the gentoo way |
| 19:47.00 | rfrank | and I'm running unstable right now |
| 19:47.02 | rfrank | with new xfce |
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| 19:47.26 | rfrank | new xfce! woot |
| 19:47.30 | itchi | rfrank: Very nice xfce hehe |
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| 19:47.40 | Nosferatu | You can use apt over FTP, instead of HTTP, right? |
| 19:47.57 | petemc | yes |
| 19:48.04 | simonrvn | staniel: anyone can, heh. dpkg-reconfigure x11-common if recent debian |
| 19:48.20 | simonrvn | staniel: choose 'console users only' |
| 19:48.25 | staniel | n |
| 19:48.39 | Nosferatu | petemc, was that 'yes' for me? |
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| 19:48.57 | petemc | yes |
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| 19:49.09 | Nosferatu | petemc, any idea HOW? :p |
| 19:49.15 | staniel | simonrvn: still no go |
| 19:49.18 | simonrvn | hehe petemc |
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| 19:49.46 | petemc | Nosferatu: man sources.list |
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| 19:50.09 | simonrvn | still no go what? startx running? |
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| 19:50.39 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: did you see me reply to you a little bit back? |
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| 19:51.08 | xingu | creature: I'm stuffed if I can pick it |
| 19:51.25 | leone8 | hello people! |
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| 19:51.34 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 19:51.42 | leone8 | have you been in "Ubuntu Open week" room? |
| 19:51.45 | staniel | simonrvn: gdm is running yes... but I cant login |
| 19:51.47 | staniel | it just crashes |
| 19:51.50 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yea |
| 19:51.58 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: k |
| 19:52.17 | xingu | creature: tbh I think the next thing to do is to boot say the etch netinst image; if that finds your controller, good, if not - panic. |
| 19:52.22 | simonrvn | hm, that's fucked. well, stop gdm and startx... |
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| 19:52.34 | staniel | simonrvn: as root or as a user? |
| 19:52.38 | staniel | the startx part |
| 19:52.40 | simonrvn | oh, then read your x log too, and fix it |
| 19:52.42 | leone8 | i've done an answer to you! |
| 19:52.50 | simonrvn | you stop gdm as root of course |
| 19:53.00 | rfrank | is this guide similar to what I should be doing http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157560 |
| 19:53.04 | simonrvn | startx as a user |
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| 19:53.23 | leone8 | are you against ubuntu-rooom ? |
| 19:53.30 | simonrvn | !room |
| 19:53.30 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 19:53.30 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i'm looking at it now |
| 19:53.48 | simonrvn | no we are not, we send people there all the time ;) |
| 19:53.57 | xingu | creature: all the usual suspects are there, and enabled; the last time I built a monolithic config like that c. 2.6.17 timeframe, on 440BX chipset notebook |
| 19:53.57 | leone8 | :-) |
| 19:53.59 | Bombo | mythtv-0.20 $ configure |
| 19:54.00 | Bombo | You must have the Lame MP3 encoding library installed to compile Myth. |
| 19:54.30 | Bombo | where can i find this, doesnt show up with apt-cache search liblame |
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| 19:54.39 | simonrvn | Bombo: it's not being vrry clear: it means to say you need the development headers for lame to build it |
| 19:54.40 | leone8 | I've an ubuntu 6.10, but I'd like have fun with a debian! |
| 19:54.50 | simonrvn | so install it and come back |
| 19:54.52 | leone8 | but I've not much time to spend for it :-( |
| 19:54.59 | xingu | creature: next-steps from my perspective would be - give the debian install image a shot, and if it works, start picking at its config until you know why |
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| 19:55.17 | leone8 | where are you from, boys? |
| 19:55.24 | leone8 | I'm Italian |
| 19:55.29 | simonrvn | tutrtl island |
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| 19:55.35 | simonrvn | er, turtle* |
| 19:55.39 | leone8 | eh?! |
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| 19:56.04 | simonrvn | the real (anglicised) name for north america |
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| 19:56.15 | Ugly_Duck | how come when i plug my monitor into the dvi port, it does not come up? but if i plug one into the 15pin vga port it works, but when it boots up and use the dual screen the dvi port works then? |
| 19:56.30 | leone8 | :-) |
| 19:56.37 | leone8 | And precisley, Canada? |
| 19:56.55 | simonrvn | some people call it that, yeh |
| 19:56.56 | ahlfors | Ugly_Duck, sounds like your card decides which ports to activate (and maybe which to make the default) on boot |
| 19:57.05 | leone8 | great! |
| 19:57.26 | Ugly_Duck | ahlfors: i've been searching online, but i cannot find the info to fix it so far, any hints? |
| 19:57.34 | staniel | simonrvn: still the same error message wjhen I try startx as a user |
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| 19:57.46 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: yeah, it doesn't go over much of the kernel options, which there's tons of and you should know your hardware and what kernel option you might need for software, but most those are cover by using the config from the default kernel anyway. it's just to really customize it at some point, go over ALL the kenel options, hehe. otherwise, from reading the first 1/4 of it(all i read so far) it looks ok |
| 19:57.49 | ahlfors | Ugly_Duck, what type of video card? |
| 19:57.51 | leone8 | There is a hockey team, whos name is Edmonton oil? |
| 19:58.02 | Ugly_Duck | Gforce FX5700LE |
| 19:58.13 | simonrvn | oilers, yes |
| 19:58.21 | leone8 | hihi...the it's true!! |
| 19:58.22 | leone8 | :-D |
| 19:58.34 | markus__ | hello. which terminal tool do i have to use if i want to paste a text line into a file? |
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| 19:58.52 | simonrvn | echo 'foo' >> file |
| 19:59.01 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:59.23 | asg | markus__: from within vi, :r! grep 'something in file' (it will insert it where you currently are in the file) |
| 19:59.25 | leone8 | in your parts what does think people about microsoft-novell accord? |
| 19:59.30 | simonrvn | staniel: repeat the error message please? |
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| 19:59.44 | staniel | Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected |
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| 19:59.53 | markus__ | asg, okey.. thx |
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| 20:00.14 | simonrvn | i don't know, since i don't care much about it. just a bunch of lawyers duking it out and getting big money for it |
| 20:00.26 | leone8 | :-) |
| 20:00.34 | leone8 | ok |
| 20:00.43 | leone8 | i've to go! |
| 20:00.47 | simonrvn | some folks do, but i'm not one of them ;) |
| 20:00.49 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, the same guy actually wrote another tutorial for customizing kernel, its here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1174954&postcount=507 |
| 20:01.01 | leone8 | Good evening everyody!!!!! |
| 20:01.05 | simonrvn | staniel: your kernel, or a debian one? |
| 20:01.09 | leone8 | and good linux! |
| 20:01.09 | rfrank | I'm gonna wait until my photoshop cs install in wine finishes first before I do it though and its taking a while |
| 20:01.17 | staniel | simonrvn: debian |
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| 20:01.38 | simonrvn | woohoo gravity ! :) |
| 20:01.44 | creature | xingu: Sorry, I was on the phone. |
| 20:01.47 | gravity | :-) |
| 20:01.50 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.53 | creature | BRB, and we'll kic kthis about a littlem ore. |
| 20:02.03 | Bombo | simonrvn: so there is no lame-dev i need to use the original lame sources, right? |
| 20:02.24 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: looks pretty good overall. just go for it and if you have questions then ask away |
| 20:02.34 | simonrvn | it's likely not in debian you probably need some non-free stuff |
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| 20:02.39 | simonrvn | Bombo: ^^ |
| 20:02.41 | CharminTheMoose | what'll happen to debian when the developers have run out of toy story characters? |
| 20:02.49 | asg | Bombo: /msg dpkg lame |
| 20:02.58 | simonrvn | they'll start picking other names |
| 20:02.59 | gravity | CharminTheMoose: The project ends of course. |
| 20:03.05 | dvs | CharminTheMoose: no more debian. :-( |
| 20:03.05 | xingu | creature: no probs, just basically hitting the end of the road; the usual suspects are all there to my eye; next-steps are probably to test a netinst image just to see if it is a hw problem with >2.6.15 kernels |
| 20:03.06 | gravity | The work will be finished. |
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| 20:03.18 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 20:03.25 | xingu | creature: if it is - uh oh - if not - grab the config from it and work out wtf |
| 20:03.26 | simonrvn | hehe, fuck |
| 20:03.38 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I will, thanks for your help |
| 20:03.42 | xingu | creature: it's not going to be a short night though, that much I promise you |
| 20:03.42 | rfrank | in advance |
| 20:03.47 | Xixer | How do you use alle the buttons on the mouse? I only get left, right and the middle one.. |
| 20:03.50 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: good luck |
| 20:04.01 | simonrvn | anapivirtua: and we don't care |
| 20:04.25 | simonrvn | Xixer: need to tell X to set itself up to use more |
| 20:04.34 | Bombo | asg thx |
| 20:04.40 | Xixer | How? /: |
| 20:04.41 | staniel | simonrvn: any other ideas? |
| 20:04.51 | simonrvn | thinking |
| 20:05.08 | Bombo | ok next problem: i dont have transparency with aterm/rxvt (standard etch xorg versions) |
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| 20:06.51 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: you mean if you use the tranparency option for aterm you don't get the desktop wallpaper as the background on the aterm? |
| 20:07.19 | Bombo | i'm using: "rxvt -tr -tint grey -sh 50" |
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| 20:07.59 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: its 100% "seethrough" i see the bg but its not grey |
| 20:08.00 | simonrvn | staniel: what's in your kernel config for CONFIG_RTC ? |
| 20:08.12 | Ugly_Duck | ahlfors: find any thing yet? |
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| 20:08.26 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: sorry, i don't know about tinting |
| 20:08.40 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: does this line work for you? |
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| 20:08.58 | staniel | simonrvn: its set to m |
| 20:09.07 | simonrvn | ok, and is it loaded? |
| 20:09.16 | simonrvn | module name is gen_rtc IIRC |
| 20:09.55 | staniel | not found |
| 20:09.58 | simonrvn | if it's not, then do modprobe -l | grep rtc |
| 20:10.14 | simonrvn | (probably just 'rtc') |
| 20:10.15 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: i looked through the man page(just scrolled through real quick) and i don't think i saw a -tint option. hang on, i'll try your command |
| 20:10.57 | onetinsoldier | rxvt: bad option "-tr" rxvt: bad option "-tint" |
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| 20:11.20 | staniel | tried to modprobe it = fatal: error inserting genrtc (patch to genrtc.ko): device or resource busy |
| 20:11.46 | simonrvn | lsmod | grep rtc |
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| 20:12.13 | staniel | simonrvn: nothing |
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| 20:12.49 | simonrvn | paste me your lsmod output in a /query |
| 20:12.51 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: i use ones like the following... aterm -tr -fg SkyBlue3 aterm -tr -fg MediumTurquoise aterm -tr -fg IndianRed |
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| 20:13.06 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: what version of debian do you use |
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| 20:13.20 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: etch |
| 20:13.31 | lzap | hello I have older HP proliant 7000 with four P2 400 MHz CPUs and when I boot 2.6.15-26-server (the smp kernel) the speed is very low. when I use generic kernel (no-smp) its much faster. any tips? |
| 20:13.36 | Ugly_Duck | ahlfors: gonna reboot, will brb |
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| 20:13.58 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: i'm looking at the manpage for 'aterm'. it has a -tint option.. but rxvt does not |
| 20:14.23 | wireddd | lzap, read through the kernel log and make sure it is setting up all of your devices the same |
| 20:14.41 | simonrvn | busy |
| 20:14.52 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: ok sorry i was using urxvt |
| 20:15.00 | Bombo | unicode rxvt ;) |
| 20:15.03 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: roger |
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| 20:15.15 | Bombo | that supports -tint (but doesnt work either)# |
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| 20:15.25 | lzap | wireddd: you mean the dmesg log? |
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| 20:16.16 | staniel | simonrvn: get that? |
| 20:16.23 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: your aterm lines are 100% transparent |
| 20:16.27 | simonrvn | no |
| 20:16.37 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: true... that they are |
| 20:16.48 | staniel | simonrvn: im going to use pastebin then |
| 20:16.53 | simonrvn | ok |
| 20:16.54 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: ok, but what iwant is like a grey shadow ;) |
| 20:17.11 | simonrvn | i'm busy right now anyway. someone else can help you |
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| 20:17.41 | Bombo | that line always worked on my old sys older xorg version and everything |
| 20:17.45 | wireddd | lzap /var/log/kern.log |
| 20:17.49 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: i'm looking at the manpage for aterm and reading about the -tint option... it sound complicated. ;-/ |
| 20:18.04 | staniel | damn - well can anyone help me solve why I cant get gnome to run as a user, but I can if I am root |
| 20:18.06 | Bombo | i'm using the same xorg.conf... |
| 20:18.27 | Bombo | onetinsoldier: yeah |
| 20:18.32 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
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| 20:18.39 | staniel | users get an error message of "Fatal: no entropy gathering module detected" |
| 20:18.47 | creature | xingu: Back. |
| 20:18.50 | asg | staniel: if you type just 'X' from a console as a user and not root, do you get the crosshatched screen and X cursor or does it fail in the same way? |
| 20:18.56 | xingu | creature: no probs, just basically hitting the end of the road; the usual suspects are all there to my eye; next-steps are probably to test a netinst image just to see if it is a hw problem with >2.6.15 kernels |
| 20:18.56 | skx | staniel: look at the permission of /dev/*random |
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| 20:18.58 | Bombo | rxvt-unicode (urxvt) v7.9 - released: 2006-08-07 |
| 20:18.58 | xingu | creature: if it is - uh oh - if not - grab the config from it and work out wtf |
| 20:19.00 | xingu | creature: it's not going to be a short night though, that much I promise you |
| 20:19.02 | lzap | wireddd: calibrate_delay_direct() failed to get a good estimate for loops_per_jiffy << ? |
| 20:19.04 | Bombo | options: styles,combining,blink,iso14755,encodings=eu+vn+jp+jp-ext+kr+zh+zh-ext,fade,XPM,transparent,tint |
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| 20:19.15 | Bombo | so trans and tint should be supported |
| 20:19.18 | creature | xingu: Yeah, I got that from scrollback, thanks. |
| 20:19.18 | Bombo | by urxvt |
| 20:19.27 | lzap | wireddd: Total of 4 processors activated (3243.45 BogoMIPS) |
| 20:19.32 | staniel | asg: appears that I do get that, without it crashing |
| 20:19.51 | xingu | creature: good luck. :) |
| 20:19.55 | wireddd | lzap, I am not going to be much help with those as I don't run a smp kernel |
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| 20:20.17 | xingu | lzap: does it really have 4 packages or is it 2x HT CPU's ? |
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| 20:20.21 | onetinsoldier | Bombo: well then i suppose they are.. i woudn't know though, sorry. |
| 20:20.24 | staniel | Skx: c-rw-rw--- root root /dev/random and for /dev/urandom is the same |
| 20:20.25 | rfrank | its not a bad thing that I'm going to attempt to compile/use kernel version 2.6.19 right |
| 20:20.26 | ttl- | where does samba store users and passwords on Etch ? |
| 20:20.27 | asg | staniel: then something to do with gnome is the problem and not X itself. |
| 20:20.49 | ttl- | i don't see a /etc/samba/smbpasswd file |
| 20:21.00 | skx | staniel: chmod +r /dev/*random - you want normal users to be able to read from those devices - otherwise they'll fail to get entropy as your error suggests |
| 20:21.05 | skx | (as root) |
| 20:21.10 | lzap | xingu: 4x P2 400MHz XEON |
| 20:21.23 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i suggest 2.6.18.3 |
| 20:21.32 | xingu | lzap: dmesg to a textfile, diff -u the two test cases |
| 20:21.42 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, Rename the folder: ONLY needed for 2.6.16 kernel ! You don't need to do this. do I need to do this |
| 20:21.45 | xingu | lzap: and then probably paste it (ask dpkg) |
| 20:21.47 | creature | xingu: OK, how would I use a netinst image? |
| 20:21.53 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, its a little confusing |
| 20:21.55 | staniel | skx: ahh - anyway to set that then... |
| 20:22.04 | staniel | like, so it always has those permissions? |
| 20:22.07 | xingu | creature: download, boot from usb or cdrom maybe? |
| 20:22.08 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i've seen people coming across a bump in the road here and there with 2.6.19 |
| 20:22.23 | creature | xingu: That's really tricky. I don't have anything like that to hand. |
| 20:22.43 | rfrank | alright, I'll use 2.6.18.3 |
| 20:22.47 | xingu | creature: if you were feeling tricky you could probably park it in your swap partition |
| 20:22.52 | skx | staniel: if you have a static /dev then you just need to run it once. If you're using something dynamic like udev I have no idea - but you should be able to set right now and logout + in to test it |
| 20:22.54 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i knew you'd have some questions. ;) hang on a sec.... |
| 20:23.06 | skx | staniel: if it fixes the issue somebody else can help if you find the change doesn't persist |
| 20:23.09 | xingu | creature: obviously do this after running swapoff from single user mode. :) |
| 20:23.21 | staniel | skx: alright - I can log in now fine, thanks for that part |
| 20:23.25 | staniel | and I am using udev |
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| 20:23.52 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: no, i don't know why you'd need to rename the folder... btw, are you using ubuntu? |
| 20:23.55 | skx | staniel: udev is a mystery to me. But I'm sure that the documentation / somebody else here can tell you how to make a permission take effect + persist |
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| 20:24.18 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, nope debian |
| 20:24.22 | heiner | I'm setting up a laptop for wireless networking using a PCMCIA WLAN card. Could sombody point me to some good documents describing this process? |
| 20:24.26 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, is there a better guide for debian? |
| 20:24.27 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok... roger |
| 20:24.42 | skx | staniel: hang on. just realised I have a udev machine handy. I have /etc/udev/permissions.rules which contains "KERNEL=="random", MODE="0666" |
| 20:24.53 | skx | check that file and see if you have something other than 666 (which is what you want) |
| 20:25.13 | skx | (ditto for urandom) |
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| 20:25.19 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: just use that one you found, it looks pretty good even though it's not totally debian specific. i'll be here to answer your questions. |
| 20:25.31 | creature | xingu: I don't really think that's an option right now. |
| 20:25.32 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, haha alright thanks again |
| 20:25.38 | creature | Why do you say from 2.6.15, by the way? What's special about that one? |
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| 20:25.41 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: sure.. np |
| 20:25.46 | sbk | I run a program uses /dev/dsp to generate tones -- how can I create mp3 files of these tones? Pointers would be much appreciated. |
| 20:25.57 | xingu | creature: looooots of change from <.15 to >.15 |
| 20:26.08 | xingu | creature: too much to think about really |
| 20:26.52 | asg | sbk: if anything can do it, sox(1) probably can |
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| 20:27.32 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: tell me when you have the kernel unpacked and have a /usr/src/linux-2.6.18.3 directory |
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| 20:28.09 | sbk | asg: ok -- I will look at that. So my problem is not strictly about translating file formats -- my issue is that the program appears to strictly use /dev/dsp, and it does a few ioctl()s on it as it generates tones |
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| 20:28.42 | klohunt | How can I add my user to the sudoers? |
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| 20:28.47 | asg | klohunt: visudo |
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| 20:29.12 | klohunt | asg: is that a command? |
| 20:29.14 | asg | klohunt: yes |
| 20:29.25 | klohunt | bash: visudo: command not found |
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| 20:29.32 | asg | klohunt: apt-get install sudo |
| 20:29.40 | klohunt | oh :P |
| 20:29.42 | asg | klohunt: if it's already installed, you'll need to run 'visudo' as root |
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| 20:29.48 | skx | klohunt: /usr/sbin/visudo ? |
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| 20:30.20 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, there, was about to do the patch |
| 20:30.30 | klohunt | Oh, visudo works now |
| 20:30.35 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: you won't be doing any patching |
| 20:31.03 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I won't be doing any patching |
| 20:31.20 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I'm on to importing the kernel config |
| 20:31.20 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. so it's unpacked in /usr/src then? |
| 20:31.24 | rfrank | eys |
| 20:31.25 | rfrank | yes |
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| 20:31.37 | rfrank | and I made a new link to it |
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| 20:32.19 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. so /usr/src/linux is linked to the dir? |
| 20:32.58 | rfrank | yes |
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| 20:33.22 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I just copied the conf file from old kernel, now running make xconfig |
| 20:33.25 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.18.3 cp -v /boot/config-2.6.17-2-686 .config (or whatever your default kernel version is) |
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| 20:33.39 | rfrank | yep , I did that |
| 20:33.44 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. cool |
| 20:34.04 | onetinsoldier | i use make menuconfig... even in X. but whatever you prefer |
| 20:34.17 | creature | xingu: Anyone/anywhere else I can ask about this? I don't have any way to try and boot the laptop from external media. |
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| 20:37.23 | creature | xingu: I don't suppose I'd need generic ATA support built in too, would I? |
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| 20:38.04 | ttl- | i think the samba password are stored in /var/lib/samba/passdb.tdb |
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| 20:39.47 | markus__ | Howdo i do if i want to delete a entry like "textonsomeline" in the text file? |
| 20:39.48 | ttl- | how can i list my samba users ? |
| 20:40.10 | asg | markus__: sed(1) |
| 20:40.28 | markus__ | asg, ok. will look at that:) thx |
| 20:40.38 | Eulex | I'm trying to copy the few rests of intact info from a floppy that is *very* broken. fun thing is, right now, for every sector it reads, I get a screen of info in the console about "floppy driver state". anyone seen this before and what does it mean? |
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| 20:41.40 | asg | Eulex: not seen it before but it stands to reason that the kernel floppy driver is going to complain, a lot. As long as you get your data off though, it should be harmless. |
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| 20:42.23 | Ugly_Duck | ahlfors: you manage to find any thing? |
| 20:42.36 | Ugly_Duck | i've tried different things, but no luck |
| 20:42.45 | markus__ | asg, most i do like "cat /home/markus/file.txt | sed *** >> /home/markus/file.txt" then? |
| 20:42.49 | Eulex | asg, yeah. I've been backupping a lot of floppies today of various brokenness, but this is the first time I've gotten this kind of message. usually I just get i/o or crc errors |
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| 20:42.56 | markus__ | or can i modifie the file direct? |
| 20:43.27 | onetinsoldier | markus__: yes |
| 20:43.34 | asg | markus__: you can, there is an option for it in the manpage |
| 20:43.45 | markus__ | okey |
| 20:43.54 | asg | markus__: however, it's better to output your edits to a tmp file and verify it before copying it back over the original |
| 20:44.32 | jazbo2185 | How would I set up a user so that they can only read/write to one particular directory? |
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| 20:44.50 | asg | jazbo2185: pam_chroot |
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| 20:45.55 | r3tex | anyone here use debian on their macbook? |
| 20:47.12 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I finished doing all of my configuration edits, disabled a lot of stuff I don't need, etc |
| 20:47.49 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: cool.. sounds good! what architecture is your CPU? |
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| 20:48.27 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, x86, pentium 4 |
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| 20:49.52 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, just started the compile proces |
| 20:49.57 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok. the next step is the make-kpkg command. you don't have to use make-kpkg and i have done totally manual installs of kernels long ago. but anyway, make-kpkg makes installing a new kernel in debain a lot easier... |
| 20:50.27 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i'll show you the command i use to make a new kernel... do you use initrd? |
| 20:50.45 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i would presume you do |
| 20:51.04 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yes |
| 20:52.05 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -686 --revision 1.0.Custom kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_doc |
| 20:52.53 | mango | I had debian etch running on my g4....I removed gnome the nearly every other sofrware from aptitude, what do I need to do next in order to go back to sarge. do I need to modify the source list ? |
| 20:53.18 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: did you start it already? |
| 20:53.23 | rfrank | Its started |
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| 20:53.28 | onetinsoldier | ok... |
| 20:53.56 | rfrank | I'm assuming this is gonna take a while |
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| 20:54.11 | r3tex | how do i clear a boot record |
| 20:54.19 | r3tex | i installed lilo to a weird partition :) |
| 20:54.26 | r3tex | doh, not a boot record |
| 20:54.30 | r3tex | but lilo, from that partition |
| 20:54.59 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: you really only need the.... kernel_image but if you want to save the .debs for later, like burning to a cd/dvd then you it seems you should also include the modules_image target |
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| 20:55.57 | biopyte | hi.maybe someone can explain to me what a 'session directory' in rtorrent is? |
| 20:56.33 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yeah, I'd like to have the deb justincase I want to use it on another computer of mine |
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| 20:59.42 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: hmmm, i should have had you do a step before the comipiling started, which was to copy the .config |
| 20:59.49 | onetinsoldier | compiling* |
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| 21:01.06 | pikko | Hi, I have problems starting gdm, anyone can help? |
| 21:01.32 | tralala | pikko, what problems? |
| 21:01.48 | pikko | Well I can get only to failsafe session |
| 21:01.49 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: before running make-kpkg you should make a backup copy of the .config. make-kpkg make a change to the .config file. no big deal but too late for that this time around. |
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| 21:02.10 | onetinsoldier | make-kpkg makes a change* |
| 21:02.16 | pikko | tralala: I tried reinstallation of whole gentoo, gdm, Xorg, but in wain |
| 21:02.32 | tralala | gentoo? |
| 21:02.52 | pikko | tralala: sorry gnome |
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| 21:03.34 | pikko | No errors reported in Xorg.0.log nor in gdm log |
| 21:03.59 | tralala | it's probably a bug |
| 21:04.19 | pikko | tralala: I tried to turn Enable=true in gdm, but nothing happened |
| 21:04.55 | pikko | tralala: Well, but I consulted it with my friend running unstable and same i386 and eh has not this experience |
| 21:05.09 | pikko | tralala: I googled it, but it seems to be rather rare bug |
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| 21:05.54 | FarrisG | I have a new system that appears to be truncating all passwords to 8 characters. |
| 21:06.02 | FarrisG | I have other debian boxes that allow longer passwords |
| 21:06.04 | tralala | pikko, /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:06.19 | FarrisG | what decides how long passwords can be? |
| 21:06.24 | pikko | tralala: ? |
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| 21:06.55 | tralala | pikko, this is a command - type it in your irc client |
| 21:07.09 | tralala | FarrisG, using pam? |
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| 21:07.20 | unseensoul | hi |
| 21:07.37 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i have to gio for a few minutes... i'll be back shortly |
| 21:07.44 | pikko | tralala: Ok, adviced me to visit buglist, I try |
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| 21:07.51 | FarrisG | tralala: I believe I am, yes |
| 21:08.29 | DavidProck1981 | hay what is this about: (04:06:47 AM) dpkg: Debian 3.1r4 was released on 2006-11-06. no install disks for it will be created, so install from 3.1r3 disks and then upgrade instead. http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20061106 |
| 21:08.46 | DavidProck1981 | ""no install disks for it will be created"" |
| 21:09.35 | DavidProck1981 | does that mean u cant install from the dvd image |
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| 21:10.13 | harnir | hello |
| 21:10.17 | DavidProck1981 | hello, r u people alive in here |
| 21:10.25 | DavidProck1981 | hi lol |
| 21:10.29 | tralala | FarrisG, have a look at /etc/pam.d/common-password. I'm not sure if this is the best way to do it though. |
| 21:10.51 | itchi | !tell DavidProck1981 -about u |
| 21:11.21 | harnir | I'm looking for someone who's so lucky that he installed oracle 8.1.7 database on Debian... |
| 21:11.21 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i'm back.. are you here? |
| 21:11.24 | DavidProck1981 | U U U U U U, so what U know what i mean |
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| 21:11.53 | creature | xingu: Ping? |
| 21:12.06 | DavidProck1981 | !tell itchi -about me |
| 21:12.24 | unseensoul | i've installed myspell-* to work with openoffice, but it doesn't work...what might be the problem? |
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| 21:12.37 | FarrisG | tralala: common-passwd does say "max=8", but it says that on another system of mine that allows >8 |
| 21:12.57 | DavidProck1981 | !tell itchi -about GOD |
| 21:13.14 | DavidProck1981 | !tell itchi -about SEX |
| 21:13.27 | DavidProck1981 | !tell itchi -about PUSSY |
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| 21:13.46 | DavidProck1981 | !tell itchi -about LMAO |
| 21:13.59 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You need some education |
| 21:14.08 | DavidProck1981 | LMAO |
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| 21:14.17 | pikko | tralala: pretty long list of bugs in gdm, but nothing seems to be precisely my problem |
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| 21:14.52 | pikko | tralala: Next thing is, that it perhaps is not gdm problem as I tried to install kdm instead |
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| 21:15.10 | pikko | tralala: Same problems arised, so I do not know where to search |
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| 21:15.27 | tralala | pikko, do you have ~/.xsession or ~/.xinit? |
| 21:15.29 | reduz | Question! I did apt-get install of alsa modules for a 2.4 kernel, but they dont appear in modconf, or modprobe.. how do i load them? |
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| 21:16.07 | DavidProck1981 | yo a friend asked me about windows vista, is that that linux imatation |
| 21:16.25 | pikko | .xinitrc |
| 21:16.33 | pikko | tralala: Yes, .xinitrc |
| 21:16.38 | DavidProck1981 | reduz: module-assistant |
| 21:16.43 | tralala | pikko, try to rename it |
| 21:17.13 | tralala | FarrisG, do you also have md5 there? |
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| 21:18.57 | DavidProck1981 | reduz: aptitude OR apt-get install module-assistant |
| 21:20.41 | FarrisG | tralala: Yes. As it turns out, it's not pam giving me the problem, it's just courier's userdb |
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| 21:20.41 | FarrisG | err, authdaemonrc |
| 21:20.43 | reduz | DavidProck1981, oh thanks, I'll give it a try |
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| 21:22.24 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 21:22.31 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
| 21:22.48 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with adept, it cannot show updates on the kde tray |
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| 21:23.25 | e319 | hi how can i use apt-get to install xfce ? |
| 21:23.44 | onetinsoldier | e319: for etch? |
| 21:23.51 | e319 | knoppix- |
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| 21:23.58 | Anarka | erm :) |
| 21:24.20 | heiner | Does anybody have a pointer to a document describing how to set up Debian Linux with wireless LAN? |
| 21:24.21 | RvGaTe | Does anyone know how to fix this problem; http://pc.rvgate.nl/fotos/Debian_Syncmaster.3gp (video recorded with mobile phone)... I tried manually changing the Xorg frequenties to the ones displayed in the monitors manual (hor 30-81 and vert 56-75) with exactly the same result.... |
| 21:24.37 | onetinsoldier | e319: sorry, i don't know fer certain, after all, this isn't #knoppix! |
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| 21:25.05 | pikko | tralala: I tried, no success |
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| 21:25.14 | DavidProck1981 | heiner: i just recently installed my wireless lan / network |
| 21:25.19 | onetinsoldier | e319: you're welcome to try... apt-get install xfce4 |
| 21:25.33 | tralala | pikko, would you care to explain a bit more what did you try and what happend? |
| 21:25.37 | e319 | that def. does not work. |
| 21:25.39 | heiner | DavidProck1981: did it go well? |
| 21:25.45 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
| 21:25.52 | onetinsoldier | e319: i dunno then |
| 21:25.59 | pikko | tralala: What have I ever tried or just now? |
| 21:26.07 | Anarka | RvGaTe cant you just use the monitor controls to fix the image position ? |
| 21:26.17 | heiner | DavidProck1981: using a PCMCIA WLAN card? |
| 21:26.21 | tralala | pikko, the more you tell about the problem, the better |
| 21:26.27 | pikko | tralala: Ok |
| 21:26.35 | RvGaTe | Anarka, nope, its to far away to use the controls... (aka max settings wont reach the edge) |
| 21:26.39 | DavidProck1981 | i dont remember the command but... |
| 21:26.44 | DavidProck1981 | no it is a pci card |
| 21:27.07 | Anarka | RvGaTe whgat resolution were you trying ? |
| 21:27.15 | DavidProck1981 | someone game me a command to look at a bunch of hardware info |
| 21:27.19 | RvGaTe | Anarka, 1400x1050 |
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| 21:27.28 | romeus | hello everybody |
| 21:27.36 | onetinsoldier | hi |
| 21:27.39 | Anarka | RvGaTe doenst the monitor give more ? |
| 21:27.51 | DavidProck1981 | and saw it was atheros (not sure if i spell it wright) |
| 21:27.52 | Anarka | wasnt it a crt ? |
| 21:27.59 | tralala | RvGaTe, did you try xvidtune? |
| 21:28.02 | RvGaTe | Anarka, thats the max... im currently at 1280x1024 |
| 21:28.12 | RvGaTe | tralala, nope, what's that ? |
| 21:28.14 | heiner | DavidProck1981: right |
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| 21:28.33 | heiner | DavidProck1981: I have an Intersil ISL 3890 |
| 21:28.45 | tralala | RvGaTe, something that could help you to adjust your image and to fry your monitor as well |
| 21:28.50 | heiner | DavidProck1981: which seems related to Prism chipsets |
| 21:28.58 | DavidProck1981 | and told me to apt-get install madiwifi (sot sufr if i spell that last part wright also) |
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| 21:28.59 | RvGaTe | Anarka, tralala, im running etch btw |
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| 21:29.25 | DavidProck1981 | then do module-assistant to set it up |
| 21:29.42 | DavidProck1981 | that is all i can remember that i did |
| 21:30.03 | DavidProck1981 | hope i dont have to do it again or ill need help again |
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| 21:30.08 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 21:30.09 | heiner | DavidProck1981: is that a program? |
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| 21:30.30 | DavidProck1981 | madiwifi is a driver |
| 21:30.34 | DavidProck1981 | i think |
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| 21:30.41 | romeus | I lost my sources.list |
| 21:30.57 | odla | i am trying to associate bittorrent with transmission using links2 but i can't figure out right context |
| 21:30.58 | pikko | tralala: I had problem with nvidia card, some time after I solved it, I could not start none of my environments (fluxbox, enlightenment), so I tried to change to kdm, but problem was not solved. My next step was reinstallation of previously deinstalled 'gnome' pkg (as I purged it off before to save space). No problems reported in logs. |
| 21:31.11 | romeus | and I want to install xfce |
| 21:31.24 | pikko | tralala: The only state I can get is failsafe terminal. |
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| 21:31.25 | romeus | I'm running debian on colinux |
| 21:31.47 | odla | nevermind i figured it out :) |
| 21:32.00 | DavidProck1981 | hot a Q. for the room |
| 21:32.04 | romeus | I've tried google but haven't found any sources.list that doesn't give me errors when I do apt-get update and that'll let me install xfce |
| 21:32.05 | DavidProck1981 | got* |
| 21:32.07 | tralala | pikko, so you did rename the .xinitrc, right? |
| 21:32.28 | pikko | tralala: yes, and also .xsession that I jkust discovered |
| 21:32.41 | itchi | romeus: Sarge? use apt-setup |
| 21:33.03 | yassine | guys is there a way to test ldap from the console to know that a user admin can log in or not ? |
| 21:33.13 | tralala | pikko, if you have .Xsession rename it as well, then restart the gdm and try to log in |
| 21:33.18 | romeus | itchi: command not found |
| 21:33.28 | itchi | romeus: As root user? |
| 21:33.32 | romeus | yes |
| 21:33.36 | DavidProck1981 | is there a windows imulator theat will share resources with my video card, as in use it to its full advantage , so i can run any windows cd game |
| 21:33.39 | romeus | do you means apt-config? |
| 21:33.44 | itchi | romeus: And it's Sarge (stable)? |
| 21:34.06 | romeus | Debian-3.0r2.ext3-mit-backports.1gb.bz2 |
| 21:34.22 | pikko | tralala: I have not .Xsession in my home directory, only .Xauthority |
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| 21:34.52 | pikko | tralala: the only error message I have was in .xsession-errors : /etc/gdm/Xsession: Executing /usr/bin/icewm-session failed, |
| 21:34.55 | h3sp4wn | DavidProck1981: Do you have either an am2 athlon 64 or a conroe core 2 or woodcrest xeon (nvidia mentioned adding xen support to the new drivers but I think it needs the vt instructions and I haven't tested it in anyway |
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| 21:35.44 | DavidProck1981 | u asking about my motherboard or my video card |
| 21:36.01 | h3sp4wn | processor |
| 21:36.17 | h3sp4wn | video card has to be nvidia with binary drivers |
| 21:36.21 | DavidProck1981 | is a intel P4 1.60 |
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| 21:36.31 | pikko | tralala: do you mean system /etc/gdm/Xsession? |
| 21:36.44 | DavidProck1981 | GHZ, how ever you say giga hurts |
| 21:36.45 | h3sp4wn | DavidProck1981: Wouldn't work with xen maybe there is another way but I don't know it |
| 21:36.59 | tralala | no, of course not |
| 21:37.18 | DavidProck1981 | can xen be used to run windows or just linux |
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| 21:39.07 | drewr | Can any of you use M-<backspace> when TERM=screen? I get "[3~" and I don't know how to fix the terminfo. |
| 21:39.21 | pikko | tralala: Well, some advance. It works, if /etc/gdm/Xsession moved, default gnome session started. |
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| 21:39.36 | pikko | tralala: It complainted, but runs |
| 21:40.43 | DavidProck1981 | how do u setup xen any way, i try messin with it before and sould not figure it out |
| 21:40.48 | tralala | pikko, removing the system-wide Xsession cannot be a good thing |
| 21:41.14 | pikko | tralala: I know, but it wokrs, so I will try to go through the file |
| 21:41.16 | pipeline | DavidProck1981: "u" and bad grammar make you liable to be muted. Don't be "That Guy" |
| 21:41.44 | DavidProck1981 | sorry |
| 21:41.56 | tralala | drewr, it works here just fine. The problem could be coming from the locale you use. |
| 21:42.19 | DavidProck1981 | why is ppl so picky about shorter typeing |
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| 21:42.45 | pipeline | DavidProck1981: Because it's offensive and stupid. "ppl" is also fucking annoying. I was going to try to answer your Xen questions, but now I'm going to ignore you so that I don't have to see that garbage strewn across my screen. |
| 21:42.47 | DavidProck1981 | like r for are and u for you |
| 21:43.03 | Ilovemypuppy | pipeline, get a grip |
| 21:43.15 | RvGaTe | tralala, xvidtune gets close... but not close anough |
| 21:43.16 | e319 | so no one knows why apt-cache search xfce produces nothing, and apt-get install xfce4 does not work? |
| 21:43.18 | DavidProck1981 | people, sorry |
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| 21:43.32 | pipeline | e319: Perhaps you have no apt sources. |
| 21:43.58 | e319 | hmm how can i add an apt source? |
| 21:44.05 | drewr | tralala: Ah, good idea. I haven't set a locale; would that cause a problem? |
| 21:44.13 | itchi | !beer DavidProck1981 |
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| 21:44.25 | tralala | drewr, it could |
| 21:44.33 | pipeline | e319: you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list by hand; alternatively, there's an ncurses tool to help you. I'm trying to remember what it is. |
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| 21:44.55 | DavidProck1981 | No thank you; i dont drin. |
| 21:45.01 | e319 | hmm |
| 21:45.15 | dvs | !coffee DavidProck1981 |
| 21:45.16 | DavidProck1981 | drink* |
| 21:45.19 | drewr | tralala: Are you just setting LC_CTYPE? |
| 21:45.23 | pipeline | e319: It'll probably just be easier to edit by hand. :) |
| 21:45.23 | Van84 | hi, someoen can give me a solution for like an auto advertissing system, that allow me tat my server is down? |
| 21:45.27 | Van84 | i mean my programs.. |
| 21:45.33 | e319 | ok where is repository list? |
| 21:45.34 | Van84 | trough sms, or something |
| 21:45.38 | DavidProck1981 | i dont drink coffie ither |
| 21:45.38 | tralala | drewr, dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 21:46.09 | pipeline | Van84: I would suggest using Nagios. It's a tremendous pain in the butt to set up, but it's really the least terrible solution that doesn't cost a great deal. |
| 21:46.12 | DavidProck1981 | and i also dont frink soda |
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| 21:46.27 | dvs | DavidProck1981: Do you drink anything!?! |
| 21:46.40 | DavidProck1981 | water and soy milk |
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| 21:46.53 | Van84 | nagios? ok i will chekc it |
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| 21:46.57 | DavidProck1981 | juce'es |
| 21:46.59 | itchi | DavidProck1981: No worry, i have take the beer |
| 21:47.03 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, compile finished, I started the install |
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| 21:47.15 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, its done so I'm reboting |
| 21:47.21 | DavidProck1981 | juce |
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| 21:47.39 | tralala | juice |
| 21:47.46 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Not that i drink beer, it's just that you offer somethings virtual |
| 21:47.47 | DavidProck1981 | i cant spell worth any thing |
| 21:48.03 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. cool. and i think you might be able to use the linux-image .deb on antoehr computer. it includes all the modules that get installed to /lib/modules |
| 21:48.10 | onetinsoldier | another* |
| 21:48.30 | DavidProck1981 | i dont take drinks from guy's LOL LMAO |
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| 21:48.53 | tralala | perhaps you should reduce the juice |
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| 21:49.42 | tralala | and dpkg is not a guy |
| 21:49.43 | omry | I am having some connectivity problems on one of my boxes, when I try to ping an external (to the LAN) host I get : "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted", pinging the default gw workd. any idea? |
| 21:49.56 | pikko | tralala: It is interesting that when renaming Xsession and doing aptitude reinstall gdm, no new Xsession found in /etc/gdm |
| 21:50.09 | DavidProck1981 | talking to itchi |
| 21:50.10 | pipeline | omry: hmm, do you have a firewall enabled on that local host? |
| 21:50.24 | pipeline | omry: Does your gateway allow ICMP traffic to pass through it? |
| 21:50.32 | omry | pipeline, hmm.. |
| 21:50.51 | DavidProck1981 | omry dont answer that , he is a hacker |
| 21:50.54 | omry | pipeline, damn ipmasq!! |
| 21:51.02 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 21:51.11 | omry | curse be uppon ipmasq |
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| 21:51.19 | pipeline | pikko, tralala : apt/dpkg won't screw with your configuration files. If they're missing, it assumes that it's missing for a reason. |
| 21:51.33 | rfrank | just installed new kernel 2.6.18.3 I believe and no mouse support |
| 21:51.37 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, you back yet? |
| 21:51.41 | omry | pipeline, thanks.. your firewall question got me thinking about it. |
| 21:51.50 | pipeline | pikko, tralala : Use "--purge" to remove a package and let apt know that the configuration files are useless to you. It will then reinstall the default configuration files when you install the package again. |
| 21:51.55 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: yes |
| 21:52.12 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: you wil only need to install the linux-image .deb |
| 21:52.13 | tralala | pikko, it's surprising that you even had it in the first place. The system-wide Xsession in Debian is /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| 21:52.21 | pipeline | omry: I would try to just make a harmless transaction with an outside host. e.g. "dig @4.2.2.2 debian.org" |
| 21:52.22 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, done so already |
| 21:52.29 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, booted into it but no mouse support |
| 21:52.30 | rosen37_ | Please I have a kernel panic on a machine due to a raid 5 not working ( message boot are md0 stopped and mdadm: /dev/sda2 has wrong uuid... ) someone can help me? |
| 21:52.32 | rfrank | it is a usb mouse |
| 21:52.46 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.53 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: no? that's strange... i wonder why |
| 21:53.14 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yeah, the lights not even on (optical mouse) so I'm guessing usb support isn't enabled at all |
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| 21:53.46 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: hmmm, ok. you want to compile again? |
| 21:54.03 | rfrank | whats the kernel module that is usb support |
| 21:54.06 | rfrank | usbohci or something.. |
| 21:54.32 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: hang on a moment please |
| 21:54.32 | rfrank | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.35 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, k |
| 21:55.25 | DavidProck1981 | well im glat so see no one answer that lastone |
| 21:55.28 | DavidProck1981 | later all |
| 21:56.00 | pikko | tralala: I have no idea why was it there, as I said I reinstalled it at least twotimes after moving to Xorg 7 |
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| 21:56.18 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. had to leave for a minute there, back now |
| 21:56.22 | rfrank | k |
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| 21:56.58 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: usb stuff is in here.... |
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| 21:57.34 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: Device Drivers ---> USB support ---> |
| 21:58.04 | justin420 | hi. anybody know how to disable agpgart upon system start? |
| 21:58.15 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: if you afre going to recompile there are a couple of things you should do first |
| 21:58.21 | geo-rge | dont load the module |
| 21:58.23 | justin420 | tring to use nvagp instead of agpgart |
| 21:58.28 | drewr | tralala: This finally worked: bindkey -k kD stuff \177 |
| 21:58.33 | tralala | justin420, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:58.59 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i casn show you all my USB options of you want |
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| 21:59.03 | onetinsoldier | can* |
| 21:59.23 | rfrank | in a moment, I'm gonna boot into older kernel to see if mouse support comes back so this 'll be easier |
| 21:59.24 | pikko | tralala: ok, purged, reinstalled and having same problem |
| 21:59.34 | justin420 | tralala: thanks allot :) |
| 21:59.35 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: roger that |
| 21:59.40 | justin420 | appreciate it |
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| 22:00.27 | tralala | justin420, you're welcome |
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| 22:01.03 | tralala | pikko, I guess it's a bug |
| 22:01.12 | pikko | tralala: I do not have any idea, I checked rights for /tmp, /var/tmp, free space ... |
| 22:01.48 | pikko | tralala: Ok, but why there are not more people crying? |
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| 22:02.04 | pikko | tralala: This hapenned to me maybe three moths ago |
| 22:02.05 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, running older kernel now, mouse support back |
| 22:02.16 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: roger |
| 22:02.19 | rfrank | do I need to re download the tarball or can I use the same directory to re-compile |
| 22:02.35 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: you can reuse it... here's what to do. ready? |
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| 22:02.38 | pikko | tralala: /etc/gdm/Xsession is the right place according to packages.debian.org |
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| 22:02.46 | rfrank | hold on |
| 22:02.51 | tralala | pikko, I don't know maybe there aren't that many people running Xorg 7, icewm and gdm |
| 22:02.53 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: k |
| 22:03.03 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, ok I'm ready |
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| 22:03.28 | tralala | pikko, erm... okay, I guess that's something new with Etch. |
| 22:03.37 | pikko | tralala: Well, to be correct, I tried Ice, fluxbox and gnome, kdm and gdm |
| 22:03.38 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: just for kicks make a copy of the .config file |
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| 22:03.49 | rfrank | shouldn't I go through the conf process again |
| 22:03.58 | rfrank | 'cause the other package making process changed it? |
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| 22:04.10 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: cp -v .config ../config-kernel-2.18.3 or something like that |
| 22:04.11 | pikko | tralala: Maybe I am cursed :| |
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| 22:04.26 | onetinsoldier | err... 2.6.18.3 |
| 22:04.57 | tralala | pikko, you can't expect trouble free life with testing/unstable |
| 22:04.58 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, hokay done |
| 22:05.20 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. make-kpkg clean |
| 22:05.20 | pikko | tralala: You are right, perhaps |
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| 22:05.39 | eguzkia | i have a dial-up connectio and i need to download many files with synaptic, there is a way to download in many moments? |
| 22:06.00 | jamesbrose | What do you need to download? |
| 22:06.13 | pikko | tralala: Nevertheless it is good way how to learn coping with bugs |
| 22:06.16 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, ok done |
| 22:06.16 | eguzkia | gnu-tella |
| 22:06.24 | eguzkia | gtk-gnutella |
| 22:06.24 | tralala | eguzkia, synaptic will restart the download from where it was left the last time, so yes |
| 22:06.25 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. make mrproper |
| 22:06.37 | tralala | pikko, indeed |
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| 22:06.41 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, ok done |
| 22:06.43 | pikko | tralala: Thanks all for time |
| 22:06.43 | eguzkia | tralala:i don't think so |
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| 22:06.57 | tralala | pikko, you're welcome |
| 22:06.59 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: cp -v ../config-kernel-2.6.18.3 .config |
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| 22:07.36 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, ok done |
| 22:07.40 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: then start up make menucfig or make xconfig |
| 22:07.47 | onetinsoldier | menuconfig* |
| 22:07.50 | tralala | eguzkia, assuming debian stable of course. If you use unstable the packages might be upgraded in the mean time. |
| 22:07.52 | abchirk | !ops [SuLe] span on join ( some porn sites) |
| 22:07.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: [SuLe] span on join ( some porn sites) |
| 22:08.18 | abchirk | n=m |
| 22:08.26 | eguzkia | tralala:i need to download gtk-gnutella and i nedd 100 file to download before gnutella, and i have a dial-up connection i'm 4 hours connected |
| 22:08.28 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: usb stuff is in here.... |
| 22:08.35 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: Device Drivers ---> USB support ---> |
| 22:09.00 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: here's what i've got in there..... |
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| 22:09.28 | tralala | eguzkia, apt handles this just fine and synaptic being based on apt will handle it as well |
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| 22:10.36 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: <*> Support for Host-side USB, [*] USB device filesystem, [*] USB selective suspend/resume and wakeup, <*> EHCI HCD (USB 2.0) support, [*] Full speed ISO transactions, [*] Root Hub Transaction Translators, <M> ISP116X HCD support, <M> OHCI HCD support, <*> UHCI HCD (most Intel and VIA) support |
| 22:11.43 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: <M> SL811HS HCD support, <M> USB Modem (CDC ACM) support, <M> USB Printer support, <M> USB Mass Storage support, <*> USB Human Interface Device (full HID) support, [*] HID input layer support, [*] Force feedback support |
| 22:11.56 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i hope you're here! |
| 22:12.29 | pikko | tralala: Well, It can sound silly, but there is one Xm that works |
| 22:12.30 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, of course I am |
| 22:12.42 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. good! :) |
| 22:12.44 | pikko | tralala: I tried development version of E17 |
| 22:13.06 | pikko | tralala: It is called entrance and it works with no error message |
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| 22:13.32 | tralala | pikko, that's interesting |
| 22:13.33 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I have all those checked |
| 22:13.37 | pikko | tralala: on teh other hand, it could be the reason of problem, as it is not yet in unstable |
| 22:13.49 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: [*] PID Devices (Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2) [my joystick], [*] /dev/hiddev raw HID device support, <M> X-Box gamepad support, ...i think that's about it for me |
| 22:14.19 | pikko | tralala: To be correct I also tried xdm and it did not work |
| 22:14.27 | pikko | So entrance is the only one |
| 22:14.51 | tralala | there must be a bug somewhere... |
| 22:14.54 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: hmmm, how about PS/2 support... maybe it's needed. i have it in my kernel |
| 22:15.25 | CrazednDazed | anybody know the apt-get repo for ssh? |
| 22:15.26 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: Input device support ---> |
| 22:16.08 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: <M> Mouse interface, [*] Provide legacy /dev/psaux device, |
| 22:16.16 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: [*] Mouse ---> |
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| 22:16.36 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: <M> PS/2 mouse |
| 22:17.09 | rfrank | alright, I checked that |
| 22:17.26 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: what did you have to 'add'? |
| 22:17.32 | onetinsoldier | anything? |
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| 22:17.49 | rfrank | I did mostly all of the tweaks here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1174954&postcount=507 |
| 22:17.57 | geo-rge | rfrank: you may wish to M others to prepare for the possibility that you will later get those devices |
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| 22:19.35 | pikko | tralala: Maybe the reason is that it does not need glx, I see, that glxgears give sigseg |
| 22:20.01 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: doesn't look like there's much about the mouse support on that page though. my question was with the list of the last stuff i gave you concerning mouse support, did you have to add anything? |
| 22:20.06 | centrx | maybe the reason is he's dead |
| 22:20.14 | Boss | hi |
| 22:20.18 | rfrank | to get my mouse working? no |
| 22:20.25 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: ssh is in the main repository... what release are you using? |
| 22:20.28 | rfrank | well at some point someone told me to run a few makedev commands because it broke |
| 22:20.32 | rfrank | but then started working again |
| 22:20.40 | rfrank | so thats maybe something.. not entirely sure why I had to do that though |
| 22:20.58 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: because all that's on that page about 'Input Device Support' is touchscreen crap |
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| 22:21.19 | rfrank | yeah I removed most of that |
| 22:21.26 | CrazednDazed | debian netinstall cd |
| 22:21.33 | geo-rge | rfrank: more like in case you get some forcefeedbackgiraffe or something :) why not read the descriptions of the modules in the "dir" you're looking at (and tweaking) and see if you might get some of that stuff (you're a gamer?) |
| 22:21.48 | CrazednDazed | It says Unable to Fetch some archives |
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| 22:22.08 | geo-rge | perhaps your net is not properly configured? |
| 22:22.10 | rfrank | geo-rge, I left most of that stuff there |
| 22:22.13 | rfrank | 'cause I thought of that |
| 22:22.26 | geo-rge | ok, good enuf... you're way ahead of me then |
| 22:22.27 | rfrank | most of the stuff I removed is stuff that I won't ever get like touchscreen stuff or video cards I will never buy |
| 22:22.39 | rfrank | besides if I really need it |
| 22:22.43 | rfrank | I could recompile the kernel |
| 22:22.45 | rfrank | it doesn't take THAT long |
| 22:22.46 | geo-rge | right. |
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| 22:23.28 | geo-rge | well having said that, that's why debian modulizes everything possible in the stock debian kernels |
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| 22:23.44 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: go over the Input Device Support again.. make sure you are compiling the mouse stuff.... the only you probably do not need is the lagcy psaux mout support, but do make sure you have.... |
| 22:24.03 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: [*] Mouse ---> |
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| 22:24.21 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: and.... <M> PS/2 mouse |
| 22:24.44 | rfrank | yup, I have those |
| 22:24.46 | rfrank | should I try recompiling |
| 22:24.53 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: gawd.. i'm doing a terrible at typing.. lol |
| 22:24.59 | rfrank | haha |
| 22:25.01 | geo-rge | I think I need qt dev libs... what they called in debian? |
| 22:25.21 | geo-rge | what's a QObject? |
| 22:25.25 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: go over the Input Device Support again.. make sure you are compiling the mouse stuff.... the only you probably do not need is the 'legacy psaux mouse' support, but do make sure you have.... |
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| 22:25.37 | onetinsoldier | only thing* |
| 22:25.55 | rosen37 | Please is it possible to recomppile kernel of a machine through a live cd? |
| 22:25.58 | streuner | geo-rge: what's the name of the app. you want compile? |
| 22:26.03 | geo-rge | otoh... if you ever want to plug in a ps2 mouse... you'll need that |
| 22:26.11 | geo-rge | streuner: fglrx driver |
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| 22:26.21 | geo-rge | I guess it's making a panel |
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| 22:26.49 | streuner | un-upluging and re-pluging the a PS/2 mouse is dangerous and could damage your whole box |
| 22:26.56 | streuner | s/the/ / |
| 22:27.09 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: when you're ready.. go for compiling again |
| 22:27.13 | bkw | interesting, my travelmate660's monitor turn off when I do 'xset dpms force off' but just for 20-30s, then it's in blank mode. |
| 22:27.31 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, whats the difference from a checked box in the x config and a box with a dot in it |
| 22:27.45 | streuner | geo-rge: /msg dpkg search and read README and/or INSTALL instructions |
| 22:27.49 | rfrank | ah I see |
| 22:27.56 | rfrank | should I be compiling most of this stuff as modules or what |
| 22:27.57 | bkw | very annoying, and I would be suprised if off mode isn't supported :} |
| 22:28.37 | geo-rge | the question I asked is the question I need answered... not "how to do the whole thing" |
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| 22:28.56 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i'm not use to xconfig, i never use it... but i'm thinking it'e the difference between showing whether it's selected to be compiled into the kernel or compiled as a module? |
| 22:29.07 | onetinsoldier | use = used |
| 22:29.23 | geo-rge | I really hate it when people assume to answer one question with another, especially when they assume I'm stupid. that's rude |
| 22:29.34 | eguzkia | hello i take gpg error when i try to download a package with synaptic what can i do? |
| 22:30.18 | jag | geo-rge, first time in here? |
| 22:30.18 | geo-rge | what I need is the package containing the qt libs, no more, no less |
| 22:30.23 | streuner | geo-rge: /msg dpkg search is what you are looking for |
| 22:30.33 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yeah |
| 22:30.39 | streuner | that's a basic lesson you need to learn |
| 22:30.41 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: well, that's the question now, isn't it? hehe. the answer comes from going over all the kernel help for all the kernel options, and experience |
| 22:30.51 | geo-rge | streuner: you assume too much |
| 22:31.04 | rfrank | I don't know what should be a module and what should be compiled into the kernel |
| 22:31.08 | rfrank | does it make a difference? |
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| 22:31.34 | streuner | geo-rge: well, there are number of qt libs in debian, only the instructions or a similar deb could tell you *WHICH* qt libs you need |
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| 22:31.36 | floooo`` | did someone has an idea why i always get this error when i want to install BerkeleyDB??? Note (probably harmless): No library found for -ldb What libary do i need? i have no idea and system muste be ready today :(( |
| 22:31.57 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: sometimes, yes. a lot of the time something can be compiled as a module, but there are some things that should certainly be compiled into the kernel! |
| 22:32.09 | geo-rge | well I'm guessing the one with QQObject and probably a few others |
| 22:32.41 | wilbury | any of you experienced recent iceape package to SEGV ? |
| 22:32.56 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: for instance... |
| 22:33.16 | eguzkia | some solution for a gpg error using synaptic? |
| 22:33.38 | geo-rge | I'm just getting pretty frustrated that error after error is occuring... (and yes, I do realize that is not your or anyone else's fault; I'm not saying it is) |
| 22:33.52 | geo-rge | oops, phone call... bbiab |
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| 22:33.59 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: <*> RAM disk support ...that has the option to be compiled as a module... but since i use initrd to boot my kernel. i compile that into the kernel.. no module! |
| 22:34.21 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: that's one example |
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| 22:35.03 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, should USB stuff be module or compiled into kernel |
| 22:35.10 | rfrank | I'm pretty sure I had it compiled into kernel |
| 22:35.26 | yassine | i can not connect to my ldap server any idea how i can debug it a lil bit more i know its up and running but nothing more |
| 22:36.04 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i think most of it that has the option to be done as a module can be done as a module... i'll take a look and see if anything raises a red flag to me |
| 22:36.10 | streuner | geo-rge: 'apt-cache show fglrx-driver | grep -i depends' might help |
| 22:36.36 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: regarding the USB stuff |
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| 22:39.24 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, alright, I'm gonna start the compile now |
| 22:39.30 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: yeah, i think any of the USB items can be done as a module if desired. i compiled one or two into the kernel anyway just because i wanted to, like the very top one(it's ALWAYS in use). but if you want to make it a module, go ahead |
| 22:39.41 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok... go for it |
| 22:40.57 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: don't forget, before installing this one, reboot under older kernel(you've already done that) and dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.18.3 ...before install the newly compiled one |
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| 22:42.09 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, hokay, its compiling right now, after its done I'll run that before running the install |
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| 22:47.17 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok... sounds good. did you include the modules_image target? you might need the .deb it makes for installing this on another comp... i'm not sure |
| 22:48.32 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I used this command: "make-kpkg -initrd --revision=ck12 kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image" except revision was rf2 or something like that |
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| 22:49.04 | geo-rge | I think it's --initrd? |
| 22:49.09 | geo-rge | (two dashes) |
| 22:49.17 | rfrank | thats what it says on the guide I was using |
| 22:49.24 | rfrank | its actually a guide for ubuntu but its basically the same thing |
| 22:49.28 | rosen37 | How can I reconfigure a kernel on a machine , I have only access by live cd? |
| 22:49.33 | rfrank | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157560 |
| 22:49.49 | geo-rge | what exactly do you mean reconfigure kernel? |
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| 22:50.43 | geo-rge | also, if you have a live cd, does that mean you have some of it on hd space or only the cd? if only cd, there's not much you can do (since cds are generally read-only) |
| 22:50.52 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: that'll work i reckon.. here's the command i would use... make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -686 --revision 1.0.Custom kernel_image modules_image kernel_headers kernel_doc |
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| 22:50.58 | rosen37 | I have a prob of kernel panic at the start debian (raid5 prob) and I would like to resolve this problem, may be in a first time dpkg-reconfigure or at worst compiling a new kernel? |
| 22:51.33 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: the --append-to-version -686 ...is nice to show the P4 architecture in the name |
| 22:51.46 | geo-rge | oh, so you're trying to install but cannot because you're having trouble getting the live cd to see the raid array? |
| 22:51.48 | onetinsoldier | the package name that is |
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| 22:52.50 | itchi | geo-rge: Everything is loaded in the memory. A live cd can contain near 2 GB data on an 650 MB cd. Mostly you need at least 256 MB of ram to make use of it. But it's realy nice an live cd and like knoppix you have some nice rescue tools |
| 22:52.52 | geo-rge | streuner: I could start from the beginning to explain this... |
| 22:52.56 | rosen37 | geo-rge: nono I installed a debian with a raid 5 and following the power outage , Ma machine doesnt restart (kernel panic md0 stopped , /dev/sda2 has wrong uudi..) |
| 22:53.12 | streuner | geo-rge: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:53.26 | rosen37 | geo-rge: so currently I can acces to the disk only using a live cd |
| 22:53.29 | geo-rge | (I think you asked that before, but ok) |
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| 22:53.52 | geo-rge | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 22:54.04 | streuner | !info fglrx-driver sarge |
| 22:54.22 | streuner | <dpkg> Package 'fglrx-driver' does not exist. |
| 22:54.35 | streuner | geo-rge: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:54.36 | geo-rge | the other complication is I have a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 22:55.24 | streuner | geo-rge: from bpo` |
| 22:55.24 | streuner | geo-rge: from bpo? |
| 22:55.25 | geo-rge | I think so yes |
| 22:55.25 | streuner | so fglrx-driver isn't in bpo |
| 22:55.25 | streuner | just try 'simple sid backport' then |
| 22:55.27 | geo-rge | linux-2.6_2.6.18-5~bpo.1.diff.gz linux-2.6_2.6.18-5~bpo.1.dsc linux-2.6_2.6.18.orig.tar.gz |
| 22:55.43 | geo-rge | those are my kernel src |
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| 22:56.17 | onetinsoldier | why not just download the fglrx driver installer from ATI and run it? it's what i do and it installs no problem |
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| 22:56.36 | Mateusz | Hi |
| 22:56.53 | geo-rge | yet another complication is recently I had a failure of my / partition (but I have most other stuff intact, /usr /var /home among a coupla others) |
| 22:56.56 | Mateusz | How to add connlimit for debian's kernel ? |
| 22:57.11 | MustangMatt_home | How do I setup permissions on a directory so that all files created can be written to by everyone in a partciular group? I believe this has to do with umask but I can't remember the details. |
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| 22:57.36 | geo-rge | so I replaced / by installing a new sarge on the / partition and mounting the rest... I was able to recover /etc and /root as well |
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| 22:58.00 | streuner | MustangMatt_home: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 22:58.00 | geo-rge | so I find small problems, and so purge and reinstall related packages, solved |
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| 22:58.06 | MustangMatt_home | streuner: Thank you sir |
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| 22:58.14 | geo-rge | streuner: get all that? |
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| 22:59.04 | geo-rge | also info fileutils and look for file permissions (or in more recent, coreutils) |
| 22:59.05 | MustangMatt_home | streuner: Isn't umask setup through /etc/profile? I have 022 set |
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| 22:59.52 | geo-rge | look at /etc/profile and see :) |
| 23:00.04 | geo-rge | you can type umask by itself too |
| 23:00.45 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: I mean I do have 022 set in /etc/profile but I wasn't sure if there was some other place it's set. This is in the context of users sshing into the system and creating files. |
| 23:00.49 | geo-rge | so: you can alter the umask value in /etc/profile, log in again, check the umask to see empirically whether /etc/profile had influence |
| 23:01.03 | geo-rge | that's how you can find out for sure |
| 23:01.14 | MustangMatt_home | I set permissions to 2775 on the directory but if root creates a file, someone else can't edit it. |
| 23:01.37 | geo-rge | that's true, it's still owned by root |
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| 23:01.58 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: But if root is in the devs group, shouldn't any user in the devs group be able to access it? |
| 23:02.01 | geo-rge | you'd have to chown to change that (which itself can only be done by root |
| 23:02.02 | geo-rge | ) |
| 23:02.17 | geo-rge | depends on the group perms |
| 23:02.20 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: I believe there's some way to get around it so that it's created gropu writable. |
| 23:02.29 | MustangMatt_home | But I'm not sure where to set that umask. |
| 23:02.48 | geo-rge | first see if /etc/profile is actually influential over the umask |
| 23:02.50 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 23:02.50 | dpkg | i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 23:03.08 | streuner | you should read (1), MustangMatt_home |
| 23:03.24 | MustangMatt_home | Well even if I'm not root. If I'm any user this still applies. |
| 23:03.55 | geo-rge | you'll need to become more familiar with how this whole thing works |
| 23:03.58 | MustangMatt_home | I intentionally want to give every user full access to any files created in this directory. But I don't want to use samba to do it. |
| 23:04.15 | MustangMatt_home | Thing is I have this working on another server. Just can't remember how I implemented it unfortunately. |
| 23:04.25 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 23:04.43 | MustangMatt_home | I don't want to mess with ACLs of any sort if I can get away with it. |
| 23:04.45 | geo-rge | you might be able to find out by looking at the permissions on that dir |
| 23:05.06 | geo-rge | do you think you used an acl to get that to work? |
| 23:05.26 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: No I didn't. |
| 23:05.50 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: I'm almost sure I set a umask somewhere but my umask on that server in /etc/profile is 022 just like the new server I'm trying to setup. |
| 23:05.52 | geo-rge | if that is the case, you should be able to see how it was done by looking at the perms on the dir |
| 23:05.59 | MustangMatt_home | (This is an internal dev server btw) |
| 23:06.06 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: Permissions are the same. |
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| 23:06.21 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: It has something to do with whatever modifies newly created file permission. |
| 23:06.34 | geo-rge | so you're saying you don't think hackers^Wcrackers are an issue witht that machine |
| 23:07.00 | geo-rge | and the umask? |
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| 23:07.31 | onetinsoldier | MustangMatt_home: the sticky bit? |
| 23:07.32 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: Not concerned with crackers at the moment as the port is closed off to all but a few designated IP addresses. |
| 23:07.46 | MustangMatt_home | I have the GID bit set. |
| 23:07.53 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 23:07.58 | MustangMatt_home | I believe 022 is debian's default umask as well. |
| 23:07.59 | geo-rge | who's roger? |
| 23:08.31 | onetinsoldier | no... who's on first |
| 23:08.38 | geo-rge | roger! |
| 23:08.44 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 23:09.09 | onetinsoldier | what's on second.. and i don't know's on third |
| 23:09.18 | geo-rge | what?@! |
| 23:09.35 | onetinsoldier | what's on second! |
| 23:09.45 | geo-rge | and I don't give a damn is our shortstop |
| 23:09.45 | MustangMatt_home | I should have made better notes when i set it up the first time. heh |
| 23:09.56 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 23:10.27 | MustangMatt_home | Isn't there a umask set per user from a file in their directory? |
| 23:10.31 | MustangMatt_home | I seem to remember that. |
| 23:10.34 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: here's the thing... you're not responding by actually checking when I ask whether certain things are true, or what the value of something is |
| 23:11.05 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: What did I not respond on? |
| 23:11.09 | geo-rge | that's a problem, because when I'm trying to find out the TRUE state of the machine (correct me if I'm wrong but) you're responding with a guess |
| 23:11.29 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: No I'm giving you actual information. |
| 23:11.33 | geo-rge | ok |
| 23:11.39 | geo-rge | let's start over then |
| 23:11.43 | MustangMatt_home | fair enough |
| 23:11.45 | rosen37 | nobody can help me to rescue a machine wiht a kernel panic :'( |
| 23:12.06 | MustangMatt_home | hmmm /home/user/.bashrc contains a umask |
| 23:12.09 | geo-rge | rosen37: let me finish here and I'll try to help |
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| 23:12.33 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: ok, check to see if that umask cmd is influential over the user in question |
| 23:12.35 | MustangMatt_home | I think that's it. |
| 23:12.44 | MustangMatt_home | I think I need to set the umask in .bashrc per user and this will work. |
| 23:12.57 | geo-rge | also, what umask value do you actually want and why? |
| 23:13.01 | kitche | rosen37: do you want to recompile kernel using a live disk? |
| 23:13.02 | MustangMatt_home | So instead of forcing the user to manually run umask this will automatically apply. |
| 23:13.03 | rosen37 | geo-rge: oh ok it will be nice thx because I m in critical situation |
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| 23:13.13 | geo-rge | (that's obviously not a machine state question :) |
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| 23:13.33 | wathek | hello all |
| 23:13.39 | rosen37 | kitche: I don t know exactly what I have to do , little lost |
| 23:13.53 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: I want 022 set on all files created by the user. |
| 23:14.14 | geo-rge | ok, what does that value mean exactly? |
| 23:14.15 | kitche | rosen37: well what does the kernel panic say? |
| 23:14.44 | geo-rge | kitche: thanks... I'll jump in if needed |
| 23:14.51 | MustangMatt_home | It automatically sets permissions to 644 right? |
| 23:14.55 | MustangMatt_home | That's my understanding. |
| 23:15.05 | wathek | how to upgrade to the latest version of debien ? |
| 23:15.07 | wathek | debian ? |
| 23:15.08 | kitche | geo-rge: well I m waiting for my LFS automation to get done so might as well help someone :) |
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| 23:15.14 | wathek | apt-get upgrade ? |
| 23:15.28 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: where it would be what value if umask were 000? |
| 23:15.46 | MustangMatt_home | 666 I believe |
| 23:16.14 | kitche | wathek: apt-get dist-upgrade but you want 3.1 update or to sid? |
| 23:16.32 | wathek | kitche, I'm having sarge 3.1 |
| 23:16.38 | geo-rge | right... because: the umask value is a -bit- pattern where all 1 bits are KILLED (set to zero) in the perms of new files, dirs, links, other things |
| 23:17.27 | geo-rge | say you had file perms of 643... which of those apply to group perms? |
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| 23:18.12 | geo-rge | (and yes, I -am- leading to something here) |
| 23:18.19 | kitche | wathek: well apt-get dist-upgrade will update to the latest version of 3.1 after you do apt-get update if you want sid you need to edit your source.list which is in /etc/apt |
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| 23:18.42 | wathek | kitche, what's the diffrence between sarge and sid ? |
| 23:18.55 | MustangMatt_home | 4 |
| 23:19.08 | geo-rge | sarge and sid are both chars in Toy Story |
| 23:19.15 | wathek | lol |
| 23:19.33 | kitche | wathek: updated packages and such sid is ok I tried it myself, sid is unstable it's debian 4.0 |
| 23:19.36 | jelly-home | !tell wathek about sid |
| 23:19.41 | mike_ | sarge is ancient |
| 23:19.53 | geo-rge | sarge is code name for debian 3.1, sid is codename for unstable (which will never be released, and will never have a number like 3.anything or 8237548236487) |
| 23:19.54 | wathek | ah ok |
| 23:20.00 | mike_ | Etch.4.0 is excellent |
| 23:20.05 | onetinsoldier | wathek: change your /etc/apt/sources.list file the the version of debian you want to upgrade to(stable, testing, unstable), then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. note: due to e2fsprog loop you can only upgrade one version at a time... running stable, you can move up to testing, then unstable if you want after that |
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| 23:20.16 | onetinsoldier | Etch = testing |
| 23:20.23 | wathek | alright |
| 23:20.38 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: right... now, does 4 say "can write"? |
| 23:20.44 | rosen37 | kitche: I am in the same case as http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.raid/13033/match=newbie+kernel+panic+raid1 |
| 23:20.47 | wathek | I'm runing Debian Sarge 3.1 and it's ok |
| 23:20.53 | streuner | !tell kitche about history |
| 23:20.54 | onetinsoldier | Sarge = stable, Etch = testing, Sid = unstable |
| 23:20.55 | wathek | I'm runing it on my server |
| 23:21.05 | mike_ | a d-u in sid is always exciting |
| 23:21.33 | kitche | streuner: I know the history of debian I jsut don't keep up with the names lol |
| 23:21.46 | jelly-home | geo-rge: 4 -> read 2 -> write 1 -> execute ... so 6 _4_ 3 is NOT group writable |
| 23:21.46 | xingu | geo-rge: he probably also needs sgid, just in case the users are in different primary groups |
| 23:21.50 | itchi | kitche: See also /msg dpkg codenames |
| 23:21.53 | xingu | geo-rge: sgid dir... |
| 23:21.54 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: It's read so maybe I need 664 instead of 644 |
| 23:22.03 | jelly-home | MustangMatt_home: ya |
| 23:22.17 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: so, what would be the corresponding umask value? |
| 23:22.19 | xingu | geo-rge: just in case I'm not still around when *that* question comes up in another 30min. ;) |
| 23:22.21 | MustangMatt_home | xingu: Users are in different primary groups |
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| 23:22.23 | wathek | kitche, after an update how to check that the version ? |
| 23:22.25 | jelly-home | geo-rge: 002 |
| 23:22.28 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: 002 |
| 23:22.28 | wathek | in /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 23:22.50 | kitche | wathek: yeah |
| 23:22.58 | wathek | kitche, ok |
| 23:23.00 | kitche | rosen37: your using raid? |
| 23:23.18 | geo-rge | RIGHT!!!! Jelly gets a free squirt of whipped cream! |
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| 23:23.54 | jelly-home | MustangMatt_home: in that case a smart thing is to put a setgid bit on the directory and change its group to the one wanted, so that freshly created files are automagically placed into the right group |
| 23:24.11 | MustangMatt_home | setgid would be the 2 in 2775 right? |
| 23:24.16 | jelly-home | correct |
| 23:24.25 | dondelelcaro | or just g+s if you can't remember. |
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| 23:24.35 | MustangMatt_home | ah crud.. I don't think I have the correct group ownership on the containing directory. |
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| 23:24.46 | rosen37 | kitche: yes RAID5 |
| 23:24.56 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: ok, so now, you need to decide whether you want the umask to come from /home/user/.bashrc or /etc/profile (or maybe /etc/bash_profile; see man bash FILES section to see what |
| 23:25.01 | geo-rge | is read when) |
| 23:25.09 | kitche | rosen37: sorry don't know to much about raid myself |
| 23:25.28 | rosen37 | kitche: oh well , we can try to debug an other machien :P |
| 23:25.42 | onetinsoldier | raid is a bug spray.... to get rid of bugs |
| 23:25.48 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 23:26.02 | onetinsoldier | just spray it on your program |
| 23:26.11 | rosen37 | kitche: I have another machine with kernel panic and no error during boot except vesafd error code -6 |
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| 23:26.49 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 23:26.58 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
| 23:27.07 | geo-rge | <all> hi Ace2016 |
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| 23:27.18 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: I don't understand the difference between .bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 23:27.21 | kitche | rosen37: you mean vesafb right? |
| 23:27.27 | rosen37 | kitche: yeap sorry |
| 23:27.44 | Ace2016 | Does debian sid have the latest kde? |
| 23:27.47 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: check the FILES section of man bash; the whole story is ther |
| 23:27.53 | Ace2016 | what version are you running? |
| 23:28.04 | xingu | mind you, if success is defined as the union set of all context of all processes capable of writing into a given directory having a consistant umask at the time of file creation - you've gotta think that maybe it's a long-shot |
| 23:28.06 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: It doesn't have krash if that is what you want |
| 23:28.14 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: Yah I'm reading the one line description of each of them but it's not clicking. |
| 23:28.21 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: (the 3.8 development release) |
| 23:28.32 | geo-rge | oops, I think I crashed... because I think I'm running version 98743597345987349857349573490857093745098743509876345098763458763458976 |
| 23:28.32 | MustangMatt_home | personal init file vs per-interactive shell |
| 23:28.33 | xingu | ... and that maybe the underlying file access model needs a redesign. |
| 23:28.59 | xingu | but hey, lets just do it the half assed way |
| 23:29.06 | rosen37 | kitche: how to explain , after a reboot we had the grub> and after check /boot/ was empty :s |
| 23:29.26 | h3sp4wn | Ace2016: It has 3.5.5 (same as etch) |
| 23:29.27 | geo-rge | MustangMatt_home: bash has a coupla modes for startup... one is "I'm a login shell" and the other is "I'm not a login shell" |
| 23:29.37 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: Ah I see. |
| 23:29.43 | xingu | never mind the 1% failures of coredumps and processes that don't source profile or explicitly rewrite umask |
| 23:29.57 | MustangMatt_home | geo-rge: I assume there's some bash config in etc that would show me which way debian defaults to. |
| 23:29.59 | xingu | it'll never happen... often enough |
| 23:30.01 | rosen37 | kitche: so to test something , I copied an other /boot from other machine using the same kernel |
| 23:30.24 | Ace2016 | Do prerelease versions get put in debian sid? |
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| 23:30.37 | Ace2016 | like release candidates? |
| 23:30.38 | geo-rge | login shells are what you get when you log in... you can start a non-login shell by typing bash at a login or nonlogin shell prompt |
| 23:30.46 | xingu | or by using scp |
| 23:31.01 | peterS | Ace2016: depends on the package, the maintainer, upstream's opinions/wishes |
| 23:31.06 | xingu | nobody does that though right? |
| 23:31.22 | geo-rge | Ace2016: depends on the situation, what the maint thinks, what the rel mgr thinks, other things |
| 23:31.23 | kitche | rosen37: hmm odd but the vesafb probably probably has to do with how menu.lst is setup from what I have seen while doing a small search on yahoo |
| 23:31.29 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, |
| 23:31.35 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, what was the command I should run before installing/ |
| 23:31.41 | peterS | Ace2016: for example, I won't upload prereleases of subversion to debian because subversion upstream prefers it that way |
| 23:32.10 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: uninstall the previous 2.6.18.3 kernel.. with something like.... |
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| 23:32.41 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 23:32.47 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.18.3-686 |
| 23:33.19 | Ace2016 | are the packages in debian sid newer than the ones in ubuntu's repos? |
| 23:33.33 | rosen37 | kitche: you think I can disable it int the menu.lst? |
| 23:33.34 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: to find the name to give to dpkg --purge ...type in dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 23:33.37 | streuner | Ace2016: that's NOT the point |
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| 23:33.49 | streuner | Ace2016: those packages are different |
| 23:34.08 | Ace2016 | not the point? they are the same versions? |
| 23:34.14 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I got it |
| 23:34.17 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, rebooting |
| 23:34.24 | kitche | rosen37: yeah it seems that you might have an incorrect value for vga |
| 23:34.32 | Ace2016 | mean they're compiled with different options or something? |
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| 23:34.48 | Ace2016 | so does debian have nvidia drivers in the repos and stuff? |
| 23:34.58 | gravity | Ace2016: nvidia-glx is in non-free |
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| 23:35.13 | streuner | Ace2016: 'nv' is the free version |
| 23:35.31 | rosen37 | kitche: ok I will try to force one at 769 |
| 23:35.38 | rosen37 | I going to try |
| 23:35.52 | Ace2016 | so there is a non free repo and it has stuff like the w32 codecs and libdvdcss in it? |
| 23:36.11 | gravity | No, those are totally outside the debian.org machines |
| 23:36.31 | gravity | non-free doesn't have legal restrictions on redistribution |
| 23:36.37 | streuner | all 'evil' things are made by marillat :-), but we need them :-) |
| 23:36.45 | Ace2016 | ah now i get it |
| 23:36.46 | dondelelcaro | gravity: it may have legal restrictions actually... |
| 23:36.49 | gravity | "Debian non-legal" |
| 23:36.54 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Well, in the ideal world :-) |
| 23:37.00 | gravity | I know there's issues in non-free |
| 23:37.12 | rosen37 | kitche: but I dont know if this is the prob |
| 23:37.14 | dondelelcaro | you can basically only assume that Debian can distribute it |
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| 23:37.15 | Ace2016 | so how big are the debian repos compared to the ubuntu ones? |
| 23:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: a full mirror for all archs is huge. |
| 23:37.32 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I got it to work |
| 23:37.35 | rosen37 | kitche: this is the only error I see duroing the boot but may be something other is broken |
| 23:37.43 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: Yeah! |
| 23:37.44 | dondelelcaro | Ace2016: you're talking in the 500G range, iirc. |
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| 23:37.47 | gravity | A little smaller than Ubuntu, since they take everything in Debian |
| 23:37.59 | Ace2016 | oh i never knew that |
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| 23:38.14 | Ace2016 | so the packages are the same? but just renamed? |
| 23:38.25 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: awesome... so how do you feel after having done your first custom kernel? :-) hehe |
| 23:38.37 | gravity | Not exactly |
| 23:38.49 | stylish | anyone know a debian administration site ? |
| 23:38.52 | xingu | gravity: even if you include more than ia32/ia64 on the debian side? that seems... unlikely. |
| 23:38.55 | gravity | Ask about that in #ubuntu. They know more about what Ubuntu does |
| 23:39.06 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: you should try it sometime without using make-kpkg.. muhhaahaaha |
| 23:39.10 | gravity | stylish: http://www.debian-administration.org |
| 23:39.11 | streuner | stylish: debian-adminstration.org or such |
| 23:39.17 | stylish | thanks |
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| 23:39.55 | MustangMatt_home | Sweet thanks guys. My stuff is working the way I want now. |
| 23:40.00 | MustangMatt_home | And I made notes for next time :) |
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| 23:41.19 | onetinsoldier | r-a: hello? |
| 23:41.22 | noxo` | Hello |
| 23:41.28 | eucalre | hey |
| 23:41.34 | onetinsoldier | yo |
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| 23:43.00 | quhan | hi, my debian boot slowly, I think disable some service will let it quick, but I dont know how to do, is there someone who can tell me? thanks |
| 23:43.02 | unlink | freaky. my battery has reported having 17 minutes left for 20 minutes now |
| 23:43.29 | stylish | dood that admin site doesnt focus on the debian base system |
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| 23:43.58 | quhan | ? |
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| 23:44.04 | geo-rge | stylish: perhaps communication of what you actually want to accomplish could help |
| 23:44.06 | kitche | quhan: it's probably slow due to exvim |
| 23:44.06 | streuner | stylish: what's a 'debian base system'? |
| 23:44.13 | eucalre | private |
| 23:44.30 | stylish | the essential configuration and operation |
| 23:44.34 | quhan | kitche: exvim? |
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| 23:44.43 | magefile | i'd like to do a pxe install, but i don't have anything running linux at the moment - are there any livecds that i could boot my laptop from, so i could plug the target machine into it and boot it that way? |
| 23:44.52 | kitche | quhan: it's what debian uses as the MTA |
| 23:45.07 | quhan | exim? |
| 23:45.15 | streuner | stylish: /msg dpkg ig |
| 23:45.22 | kitche | quhan: yeah that :P |
| 23:45.22 | geo-rge | well it's one choice for mta on debian |
| 23:45.29 | xingu | unlink: they must be london underground minutes |
| 23:45.37 | quhan | kitche: yes, it's off |
| 23:45.50 | quhan | I would like disable more |
| 23:46.03 | quhan | for example :cron... |
| 23:46.06 | geo-rge | maybe uninstall them |
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| 23:46.17 | Daemonik | Hey what's a good (and modern) book on the langauge C? |
| 23:46.19 | noxo` | interest |
| 23:46.23 | pipeline | magefile: You could hypothetically do that with any livecd that allowed you to write to a ramdisk, but that's a real pain in the ass. |
| 23:46.24 | geo-rge | cron?? you should be very careful before disabling that (or atd) |
| 23:46.33 | quhan | but I dont know which file need to modify |
| 23:46.40 | felipefg | Daemonik: Hebert Schildt has a very good one |
| 23:46.42 | geo-rge | maybe something cron runs is what you want to disable |
| 23:46.46 | pipeline | Daemonik: There are no modern books on C. And C is not a very pleasant choice for a first programming language, in that it's extremely simple/primitive/crippled. |
| 23:46.46 | rosen37 | kitche: the prob of vesafb is resolved but always kernel panic |
| 23:46.49 | magefile | pipeline, yeah, this whole thing is becoming a pita. any suggestions? |
| 23:46.59 | Ace2016 | How did you install debian? was it a net install? i couldn't find the knoppix sid net installer or did you install via something like knoppix? |
| 23:47.02 | Daemonik | Thanks felipefg |
| 23:47.06 | quhan | I will try it in a virtual computer first, but i need know how to |
| 23:47.06 | geo-rge | but simple is good, right? |
| 23:47.08 | kitche | rosen37: yeah might want to ask someoen that knows about raid |
| 23:47.14 | Daemonik | pipeline, How is it crippled? |
| 23:47.34 | pipeline | Daemonik: It has a very, very limited standard library and very, very few features. C is essentially a portable PDP-11 assembly :P |
| 23:47.38 | felipefg | Daemonik, and there is the little one written by K&R, which is also very good |
| 23:47.40 | rosen37 | kitche: oh but there is no raid on tis machine |
| 23:47.50 | gravity | Daemonik: Just get K&R. That and reading good C code will get you far. |
| 23:47.53 | magefile | it boots into win2k now (the target machine), but i'm not aware of any way to use that to my advantage in installing deb |
| 23:47.54 | pipeline | Daemonik: I mean, there are great uses for C, but it's not exactly a gener-purpose language :P |
| 23:47.55 | geo-rge | we'd be running a crippled kernel with crippled dyn libs and crippled bin executables if c were crippled |
| 23:48.07 | geo-rge | K&R?? for a beginner?? not a chance |
| 23:48.18 | kitche | rosen37: what does the panic say? exactly the error |
| 23:48.21 | geo-rge | good reference tho |
| 23:48.21 | quhan | kitche: hi, which file need edit? |
| 23:48.31 | Daemonik | pipeline, Suppose a guy has got a lot of time on his hands and wants to write an app using the libraries Gstreamer Flite and GTK? |
| 23:48.32 | felipefg | i think its the best one actually |
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| 23:48.40 | felipefg | K&R rox |
| 23:48.42 | Daemonik | pipeline, For many operating systems. |
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| 23:48.47 | geo-rge | I'm sure you did... but it's hardly a beginner's book |
| 23:48.51 | pipeline | Daemonik: GStreamer only works on UNIX. |
| 23:48.53 | cydork | felipe: i agree :) |
| 23:49.02 | gravity | Daemonik: python? |
| 23:49.03 | kitche | quhan: you just need to turn off the rc scripts that you don't use |
| 23:49.03 | pipeline | Daemonik: Actually, I think GStreamer only works on Linux and maybe FreeBSD, at that :P |
| 23:49.09 | rjc | How do you stop udev from creating BSD pty devices? |
| 23:49.12 | xingu | maybe it was because it was the shandy drinkers version with posix bits |
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| 23:49.16 | gravity | Does ruby have bindings for gstreamer yet? |
| 23:49.22 | geo-rge | K&R is what compiler writers read to figure out if they're doing the right thing |
| 23:49.33 | quhan | yes, how to turn off? |
| 23:49.36 | felipefg | lol |
| 23:49.39 | quhan | :D |
| 23:49.42 | Daemonik | pipeline, Not also win32? |
| 23:49.53 | quhan | i am sorry i really dont know |
| 23:50.09 | pipeline | Daemonik: Pretty sure not, dude. GSTreamer would be pretty redundant on win32, as DirectShow similar to but better than gstreamer :P |
| 23:50.11 | kitche | quhab: just chmod -x the scripts but becareful since you can turn off a system critical script |
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| 23:50.15 | felipefg | geo-rge are we talking about the C book? "ANSI C" by Kernigan and Ritchie? |
| 23:50.28 | blondie | I don't like that book |
| 23:50.29 | geo-rge | felipefg: The C Programming Language |
| 23:50.34 | rosen37 | kitche: pivot_root : No such file or directory ; /sbin/init 426:cannot open /dev/console; Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init |
| 23:50.46 | felipefg | I read it when i was 14.. |
| 23:50.47 | pipeline | Daemonik: I believe there are C# and Python bindings to GStreamer, but I wouldn't recommend Python to my worst enemy. Good lord do I hate that particular language. |
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| 23:51.02 | gravity | python is fine |
| 23:51.13 | gravity | And it's got the bindings he needs |
| 23:51.14 | geo-rge | felipefg: I would have too, if C were around when I was 14 |
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| 23:51.46 | geo-rge | instead, I was reading Gries "Compiler Construction for Digital Computers" |
| 23:51.55 | xingu | k&r was a refreshing change after the zilog z80 hardware reference manual |
| 23:52.04 | felipefg | lol |
| 23:52.06 | xingu | so... compact. |
| 23:52.11 | pipeline | I couldn't buy my own books when I was 14. I learned C through trial and error and reading a Pascal book. |
| 23:52.17 | felipefg | this one sounds way more complicated than K&R ?-) |
| 23:52.25 | quhan | kitche: where is the script? |
| 23:52.50 | cast | man. all i was doing when i was 14 was trying to hook up with a girl called rachel |
| 23:52.52 | geo-rge | felipefg: believe me, it was. I had to read ch 2 about 30 times before I really understood everything |
| 23:53.03 | felipefg | lol |
| 23:53.09 | cydork | cast: man you are lucky.. :P |
| 23:53.19 | geo-rge | only if he succeeded |
| 23:53.30 | geo-rge | and didn't get an std in the process :) |
| 23:53.41 | cast | i did not. she started going out with some 18 yo guy. how am i ment to compete with someone with a skyline :| |
| 23:53.47 | geo-rge | thankfully I avoided dos |
| 23:54.01 | pipeline | Thankfully? |
| 23:54.04 | kitche | rosen37: you can look here kerneltrap.org/node/4677 might help you |
| 23:55.01 | felipefg | I played Duke Nukem a lot. And I thank DOS for loading it back then :-) |
| 23:55.02 | geo-rge | yes, thankfully. the piece of crap was a copy of cpm they tried to make more easier by adding weird heuristics to |
| 23:55.17 | pipeline | It wasn't even a very good copy of CP/M. |
| 23:55.20 | geo-rge | oh, yeah, I did use dos for that |
| 23:55.22 | geo-rge | exactly |
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| 23:55.26 | geo-rge | that's my point |
| 23:55.28 | gravity | OS7 ftw |
| 23:55.33 | cydork | felipefg: ya remember that one ! |
| 23:55.34 | Daemonik | pipeline, I want to use the Gstreamer-speex plug-in. According to the WikiPedia entry on GStreamer it's cross-platform and known to work on Win32 and Mac OS X. Do these Win32 and Mac OS X builds not work well? |
| 23:55.44 | felipefg | unforgettable! |
| 23:55.44 | pipeline | Daemonik: Understatement. |
| 23:55.49 | geo-rge | I remember system7... we got it from bmug :) |
| 23:56.10 | rosen37 | kitche: thx I m reading |
| 23:56.21 | felipefg | this and "prince of Persia" were the only things DOS were good for. |
| 23:56.41 | xingu | preprocessor on one disk; swap; compile; swap; link |
| 23:56.44 | gravity | Prince of persia. Hell yeah. We need a Free engine and game like that. |
| 23:56.49 | geo-rge | correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't DOS stand for Doom Operating System? |
| 23:56.49 | cydork | felipefg: price of persia was good?? may be after some cheat codes :P |
| 23:56.53 | xingu | man, that I don't miss |
| 23:56.53 | streuner | gravity: some time i will get what's good about OSX :-) |
| 23:56.59 | felipefg | lol |
| 23:57.01 | cydork | geo-rge: yep that's the one :) |
| 23:57.06 | gravity | streuner: It's pretty nice. expose' really makes it though. |
| 23:57.16 | gravity | streuner: Other than that, it's very good at getting out of your way for basic work. |
| 23:57.21 | geo-rge | streuner: the parts are connected well |
| 23:57.27 | gravity | streuner: But it's no linux :-) |
| 23:57.29 | pipeline | gravity: No you won't. :P |
| 23:57.55 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 23:57.55 | felipefg | has anyone tried aiglx and compiz with a two monitor setup? |
| 23:57.55 | dpkg | SuSE 0wnz! |
| 23:57.55 | geo-rge | no, I'm not so impressed with x and linux... I see x as a mild convenience factor |
| 23:57.58 | TheBlueWizard | xingu: oh wow...ancient SAS C compiler! :) I still have my Amiga (two of them :) |
| 23:58.02 | felipefg | lol |
| 23:58.29 | kitche | geo-rge: DOS means disk on system or something close to that |
| 23:58.30 | geo-rge | what I see cool about X is I can run multiple shells on the same screen without switching |
| 23:58.36 | xingu | TheBlueWizard: hey, I've got an a3000 running debian. :) |
| 23:58.47 | xingu | TheBlueWizard: ... slowly. :) |
| 23:58.54 | geo-rge | Doom's Odd Sister! |
| 23:59.19 | TheBlueWizard | xinguL cool :) though A3000 has a rather small RAM footprint (I maxed mine out at 18 Meg) |
| 23:59.19 | felipefg | lol |
| 23:59.40 | xingu | TheBlueWizard: mine has 8mb - it spent a lot of time swapping |
