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| 00:00.04 | TheBlueWizard | ouch |
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| 00:00.29 | TheBlueWizard | it's tough scrounging for those rare ZIP RAMN chips :/ |
| 00:00.30 | rosen37 | how can I get the udev packet compatible for my debian 2.6.8-2? |
| 00:00.44 | geo-rge | ok, I just now noticed what I'm trying to build that needs qt libs to build against: the make error actualy has a use! :) |
| 00:00.51 | geo-rge | make: *** [extra_src/panel/fireglcontrol] Error 1 |
| 00:00.57 | rvalles | 00:57:55 < TheBlueWi> xingu: oh wow...ancient SAS C compiler! :) I still have my Amiga (two of them :) |
| 00:01.00 | geo-rge | so it's fireglcontrol |
| 00:01.06 | rvalles | me too, 2xA500 |
| 00:01.16 | geo-rge | A1000? |
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| 00:01.22 | jelly-home | haha |
| 00:01.25 | rvalles | no, 2xA500 lol |
| 00:01.42 | itchi | !tell root -about root |
| 00:01.49 | jelly-home | 2xA500 would be like 14A00 ;-) |
| 00:01.52 | rosen37 | kitche: how can I install a package in my debian? I have no access to the machine directly:s |
| 00:02.04 | rvalles | heh |
| 00:02.16 | kitche | rosen37: umm do you have root powers on it? |
| 00:02.26 | kitche | and/or can ssh into it |
| 00:02.57 | rosen37 | kitche: I can have an acces to the partition using a live cd |
| 00:03.14 | geo-rge | so all told you have A4000? |
| 00:03.29 | rosen37 | kitche: the machine is blocked during the boot |
| 00:03.33 | kitche | rosen37: well you can chroot then apt-get install |
| 00:03.49 | rosen37 | kitche: ok I need to chroot , I have tos earch a procedure on goole |
| 00:04.30 | geo-rge | so I noticed |
| 00:04.56 | kitche | I m just using the automated LFS install since I already know how to do it |
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| 00:05.14 | azza_008 | hey all |
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| 00:05.32 | geo-rge | <all> hey |
| 00:05.58 | cydork | kitche: then what's the use of lfs? :P |
| 00:06.10 | felipefg | how good.. im getting instant Segfault on X if I try to run Compiz :-( |
| 00:06.24 | felipefg | anyone experienced this? |
| 00:06.27 | kitche | cydork: just makes the process easier it's still LFS it's just builds the base system |
| 00:06.38 | geo-rge | not sure what you're experiencing |
| 00:06.45 | geo-rge | what exactly is segfaulting? |
| 00:07.02 | cydork | kitche: still .. ever tried DFS ? :) |
| 00:07.06 | kitche | felipefg: yes compiz is not that great anyways but what are you running compiz on what? |
| 00:07.17 | geo-rge | Doom For Sisters? |
| 00:07.18 | felipefg | Xserver.. |
| 00:07.30 | geo-rge | so your display goes away? |
| 00:07.39 | felipefg | im following Debians wikki to run Compiz on debian testing |
| 00:07.48 | cydork | !tell geo-rge -about dfs |
| 00:07.48 | felipefg | yep |
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| 00:08.03 | kitche | cydork: not really :P |
| 00:08.15 | felipefg | im trying now in the console. i shut down gdm and tried doing X -ac |
| 00:08.16 | geo-rge | cydork, oh, interesing |
| 00:08.32 | kitche | felipefg: do you have aiglx enabled? |
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| 00:08.45 | felipefg | then back on the console I run a DISPLAY=:0 xterm, and then from the xterm that opens i try running the compiz |
| 00:09.07 | felipefg | kitche think so. Its enough to put the Option in the xorg.conf? |
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| 00:09.25 | kitche | felipefg: yeah |
| 00:09.33 | kitche | cydork: hmm I need some cds to do that though |
| 00:09.43 | loca|host | My php application is now hosted on my laptop, i would like to test it as if it was on a foreign host and there's some 100milliseconds delay for each page query, is there any way to simulate this on a localhost machine ? |
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| 00:11.27 | cydork | Ok who was submitting RC bugs on the weekend? :P |
| 00:11.45 | DavidProck1981 | hello, who is useing the etch / testing versoin of debian |
| 00:11.50 | rosen37 | kitche: to chroot I have just to mount the partition in /mnt then chroot mnt? |
| 00:12.03 | cydork | DavidProck1981: many are ! ask your question.. |
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| 00:12.16 | kitche | rosen37: well mount the partition under mount /mnt/<dir> |
| 00:12.20 | phlasphy | hey all |
| 00:12.27 | kitche | rosen37: sicne you shouldn't mount a partition under /mnt itself |
| 00:13.22 | phlasphy | i was wondering if debian is better than gentoo |
| 00:13.23 | DavidProck1981 | well for the longist time the Control Center, well the panel to the left was empty, I just now notice it is fixed now, And i was wonderinbg if that is the same for every one else |
| 00:13.41 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Yes it is |
| 00:13.57 | rosen37 | kitche: then I can do chroot <dir> and after I will be in my system? ? |
| 00:14.01 | DavidProck1981 | did u just now nitice it |
| 00:14.10 | DavidProck1981 | notice* |
| 00:14.12 | kitche | rosen37: it will be chroot /mnt/<dir> /bin/bash |
| 00:14.17 | itchi | DavidProck1981: No, some days ago, 2 i think |
| 00:14.34 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I run Gnome of Fluxbox usually :-) |
| 00:14.40 | DavidProck1981 | cooool do u know what fixed it |
| 00:14.57 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Nope, but look to the changeLog, :-) |
| 00:14.57 | buggarage | how do i enable interp. of alt as meta ? |
| 00:15.05 | buggarage | on tty |
| 00:15.33 | phlasphy | can i run debian in Cli only with no WM/DE |
| 00:15.34 | DavidProck1981 | i randomly do aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 00:15.36 | junix659 | anyobne know what libcairo is going to be fixed?? |
| 00:15.42 | cydork | phlasphy: yes.. |
| 00:15.49 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I also discovered it with some chances |
| 00:15.52 | DavidProck1981 | but i wonder what package |
| 00:15.54 | kitche | phlasphy: yes that's how it is by default well atleast mine was |
| 00:16.05 | DavidProck1981 | like what |
| 00:16.08 | phlasphy | cydork, can i still run links in GFX mode? |
| 00:16.20 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I had clicked on the bad icon, haha |
| 00:16.34 | DavidProck1981 | huh, do what |
| 00:16.52 | cydork | phlasphy: gfx mode? |
| 00:17.06 | phlasphy | ilnks -g (address) |
| 00:17.08 | kitche | cydork: he means links -g "links-twibright" |
| 00:17.23 | phlasphy | yeah |
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| 00:17.58 | phlasphy | so |
| 00:18.03 | buggarage | how do i enable interp. of alt as meta ? |
| 00:18.04 | itchi | DavidProck1981: xfce become also more and more great, is also now part of one of my change desktop |
| 00:18.18 | buggarage | is it an xkb option ? |
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| 00:18.33 | wathek | hello |
| 00:18.41 | DavidProck1981 | what is xfce |
| 00:18.45 | phlasphy | DE |
| 00:18.49 | wathek | I upgraded my debian |
| 00:18.51 | wathek | :D |
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| 00:19.00 | DavidProck1981 | another desktop? |
| 00:19.03 | cydork | phlasphy: hmm i have no idea about that. but i guess it requres FB right? or X? |
| 00:19.05 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Try it out, maybe replace it with kde ;-) try and you will love it :-) |
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| 00:19.09 | kitche | xfce is DE like gnome/kde/ |
| 00:19.18 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Drop kde i mean |
| 00:19.19 | phlasphy | can you use X in console? |
| 00:19.31 | cydork | phlasphy: nope |
| 00:19.39 | DavidProck1981 | what do i call to install it |
| 00:19.39 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 00:19.52 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude install ??? |
| 00:20.02 | phlasphy | cydork, but you said frame buffer or X |
| 00:20.08 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Simple, take it in general, apt-cache search foo where foo is xfce |
| 00:20.18 | felipefg | which browser do you use in CLI mode |
| 00:20.20 | felipefg | ? |
| 00:20.28 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Yeah, aptitude install ... is better btw |
| 00:20.33 | phlasphy | felipefg, links |
| 00:20.43 | cydork | phlasphy: no i just said you need one of them.. |
| 00:20.45 | itchi | DavidProck1981: But first, search the stuff there are |
| 00:20.48 | phlasphy | ok |
| 00:20.52 | phlasphy | FB |
| 00:21.06 | cydork | felipefg: there are many ... links lynx, w3m |
| 00:21.12 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You will see, you need to install some other little stuff about xfce |
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| 00:21.45 | felipefg | w3m is driving me mad lately.. :-) |
| 00:21.58 | phlasphy | ok i am thinking about getting debian |
| 00:22.02 | felipefg | ill try links.. never used this one |
| 00:22.05 | DavidProck1981 | is it similar to kde |
| 00:22.15 | phlasphy | DavidProck1981, not really |
| 00:22.19 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Many better :-) |
| 00:22.26 | kitche | DavidProck1981: xfce is closer to gnome then kde really |
| 00:22.27 | phlasphy | DavidProck1981, it is not bloated ;) |
| 00:22.47 | itchi | DavidProck1981: And beautifull! |
| 00:22.49 | rosen37 | kitche: arf this seems to be bad , no file in /usr, and /var :s |
| 00:22.50 | DavidProck1981 | would someone that is very used to windows like it |
| 00:23.00 | phlasphy | i did |
| 00:23.08 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Why not, like you windows?? I can not believe that :-p |
| 00:23.17 | kitche | rosen37: umm your system is dead :( |
| 00:23.19 | phlasphy | DavidProck1981, i like it out of all the DE it is mt favoruite i came from XP |
| 00:23.26 | DavidProck1981 | i used it for the lonfist time |
| 00:23.36 | DavidProck1981 | longist* |
| 00:24.19 | rosen37 | kitche: okok so I have to restore the machine with the raid5 ( to explain , we have a power outage today and all machine restarted except 2 (master NIS /NFS/DNS and the Slave NIS/NFS/DNS ) :s |
| 00:24.22 | itchi | DavidProck1981: My new laptop here, 2 weeks an half old. Booted 3 times XP, not ask me why i had booted, ohyea to install cygwin, 7-zip, nsis, python, fgfs :-) |
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| 00:25.03 | rosen37 | kitche: fortunately a third machine is running backup of this both machine but in remote , so the acces are very slow for NFS.. |
| 00:25.17 | kitche | rosen37: yeah well i would do fs check |
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| 00:25.24 | k-man | where should i put an xmodmap command so it is executed for all users when logging in to X? |
| 00:25.27 | r-a | onetinsoldier, you still around? |
| 00:25.33 | phlasphy | is there another debian channel? |
| 00:25.39 | itchi | DavidProck1981: No serious, XP realy _sucks_ compared to Debian :-) |
| 00:25.42 | onetinsoldier | r-a: yep |
| 00:25.49 | DavidProck1981 | i di not understand that laast question ictci |
| 00:25.59 | DavidProck1981 | well the one before that one lol |
| 00:26.02 | kitche | can't find any of my cd-rw's :( |
| 00:26.05 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, no sound with new kernel, there was no sound with old kernel either though so its not because of the newly built one |
| 00:26.16 | Ace2016 | itchi: i agree, where else can you get a program by just searching synaptic, its much faster |
| 00:26.20 | itchi | DavidProck1981: It was not an question :-) |
| 00:26.27 | phlasphy | which debian do i install/ |
| 00:26.28 | phlasphy | ? |
| 00:26.31 | onetinsoldier | r-a: oh, roger. what sound card? |
| 00:26.42 | k-man | phlasphy, try #debian_ maybe? |
| 00:26.47 | phlasphy | ok |
| 00:26.49 | itchi | Ace2016: And just all the spirit of synaptic, there is nothings similar as that on wintentod |
| 00:26.49 | Ace2016 | i'd say debian sid, it has all the latest stuff |
| 00:26.56 | DavidProck1981 | i know XP sucks i want my $300.00 back |
| 00:27.14 | itchi | phlasphy: He man |
| 00:27.15 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: what sound card? |
| 00:27.17 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I'm actually not entirely sure.. |
| 00:27.21 | rosen37 | kitche: ok |
| 00:27.23 | itchi | phlasphy: Your been right here ;-) |
| 00:27.24 | cydork | phlasphy: go for etch.. coz i dont think you are looking for servers. |
| 00:27.28 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, its built into my mobo, I can check though |
| 00:27.30 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: lspci -vv |
| 00:27.34 | phlasphy | itchi, what? |
| 00:28.13 | itchi | phlasphy: There are some other debian channels, in other languages if you want /msg chanserv list *debian* |
| 00:28.40 | phlasphy | itchi, i wanted on that was not as crowded |
| 00:28.45 | itchi | phlasphy: But tryout /topic, your may on the right place here ;-) |
| 00:28.52 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller, C-Media Electronics Inc Unknown device 0300 |
| 00:29.16 | DavidProck1981 | Qusetion about gnome vs kde, are some apps dependint on one or the other |
| 00:29.20 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I believe it might be a c-media 8738 or 8378 |
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| 00:29.34 | rfrank | DavidProck1981, yes, some programs require gnomelibs or kdelibs |
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| 00:29.50 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Gnome and KDE use different libs for the gfx |
| 00:29.55 | DavidProck1981 | like if u in gonme you cant run a certin app or visa versa |
| 00:29.56 | kitche | DavidProck1981: k3b for example depends on kdelibs |
| 00:30.08 | rfrank | and gnomeburner depends on gnomelibs |
| 00:30.14 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: ok.. orger. i'm not sure how to get it working, but i bet you can. you probably need to install alsa/alsaconf. may need to modprobe some modules... ect. |
| 00:30.15 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You can still run /kde/ apps in gnome, no problem |
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| 00:31.39 | DavidProck1981 | so if u use xfce , can i run k3b |
| 00:31.57 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Just consider that /gnome/ apps runs faster in gnome that in kde, virse versa, take also a bit /unneeded/ memory |
| 00:32.04 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Sure you can |
| 00:32.34 | itchi | bbrr, need to tuxtype a bit :-p |
| 00:32.37 | kitche | DavidProck1981: as lobng as you install the depends also |
| 00:32.42 | onetinsoldier | or you could use gnomebaker and basero |
| 00:32.47 | felipefg | damn compiz "Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 00:32.48 | kHERETH | has any specific date been published on the etch release yet? |
| 00:32.55 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 00:33.18 | phlasphy | k/part |
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| 00:33.42 | itchi | DavidProck1981: On my main computer i have Gnome, KDE, xfce, fluxbox, wmaker, icewm, ... installed |
| 00:33.55 | itchi | DavidProck1981: It just take space :-) |
| 00:34.00 | devicenull | Will I see a any preformance increase if I decide to install the x64 version rather then the 32bit verison? |
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| 00:34.20 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, alsa installed and there are no modules related to sound when modprobe -l.. |
| 00:34.22 | felipefg | devicenull: definitely. |
| 00:34.23 | rfrank | not sure what to do |
| 00:34.27 | itchi | DavidProck1981: But not exagerated, compared to that Windows(without doors) |
| 00:34.31 | ahlfors | devicenull, depends |
| 00:34.43 | devicenull | depends on what? |
| 00:34.48 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: did you get alsa-base installed? |
| 00:34.55 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yes |
| 00:35.17 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: yeah, the real trick is figuring out what modules(drivers) to modprobe i reckon |
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| 00:36.17 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: might try googling C-Media Linux Sound... or C-Media Linux Support, or someting along those lines |
| 00:36.17 | ahlfors | devicenull, on what software you use. Some things run a little bit slower on x64. Binaries are also bigger, which slows things down. |
| 00:36.40 | felipefg | devicenull if you depend on any 32bits application (Adobe Flash for example) you will need 32bits libraries and maybe a full 32 bit install running in parallel |
| 00:36.57 | DavidProck1981 | why cant all these different desktops be apart of the same project, that way there is less libs / dependicys needes |
| 00:37.20 | devicenull | I should probably see if cedga supports 64bit before I do anything |
| 00:37.22 | ahlfors | Real performance gains on x64 are usually from a few exotic situations: |
| 00:37.32 | felipefg | yeah, but the many new registers and new call convention must make things generally faster |
| 00:37.44 | itchi | DavidProck1981: That change the look and feel too. Each one have his own + and - |
| 00:37.49 | ahlfors | 1) Complex floating point algorithms with register pressure (benefit from more fp and simd registers in x64 mode) |
| 00:37.54 | DavidProck1981 | just install the OneInAllDesktop , and select what look you want |
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| 00:38.10 | felipefg | devicenull: this really depends if your games support 64bits. |
| 00:38.19 | peterS | errrr ... what's this about C-Media sound? should just be the 'snd-cmipci' module |
| 00:38.30 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, blaaahhhhhh how did I miss the sound menu in the configure for the kernel |
| 00:38.37 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Yup, not only the look ;-) effects, light / have. If it should be run be /big/ machines ... |
| 00:38.38 | ahlfors | 2) Large memory applications (near or above 4GB) that no longer require himem tricks used in 32-bit linux |
| 00:38.44 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, can I compile just one module or do I need to compile the whole kernel again |
| 00:38.45 | peterS | or the 'cmpci' module if you insist on going non-ALSA |
| 00:38.55 | rfrank | yeah |
| 00:38.59 | rfrank | I think I forgot to compile that module |
| 00:38.59 | rfrank | :P |
| 00:39.05 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Like fluxbox is for lighter machines, did a big typo above |
| 00:39.17 | devicenull | 3gb of memory, so thats not really an issue for me |
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| 00:39.33 | devicenull | I'm actually more worried about compatibility |
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| 00:39.41 | itchi | DavidProck1981: KDE is know to be have many eyes candies, for example |
| 00:39.47 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: hehe.. i don't know.. even if you did, i thought maybe the default kernel already had the stuff set. remember, you copied over a config(as .config) from /boot? |
| 00:39.55 | devicenull | I know with windows at least, I've run into numerous problems with finding 64bit drivers |
| 00:39.56 | ahlfors | devicenull, to be fair, I did have one numerical simulation program I ran for days at a time, and using x64 I saw a 30% performance increase with no code change |
| 00:40.03 | ahlfors | so it was a great help for me |
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| 00:40.17 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yeah but I just ran the make xconfig again and it wasn't checked or dotted meaning it wasn't compiled |
| 00:40.19 | felipefg | compatibility problem is only with the proprietary applications you may be using |
| 00:40.26 | DavidProck1981 | what is xfce known for |
| 00:40.26 | rfrank | the driver for the c-media 8738 that is, its not compiled |
| 00:40.29 | rfrank | so I don't have the module |
| 00:40.35 | rfrank | so I have to compile.... again |
| 00:40.46 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Light, beautifull |
| 00:40.49 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, how do I do this? |
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| 00:41.29 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: bah, that sux. well, you might be able to comile just the module... not sure, hmmm. have you heard of module assitant? i've never used it but i think it might make that possible/easier |
| 00:41.39 | DavidProck1981 | ok im in the middle of useing Ktorrent, could i install xfce gointo it and resume on ktorrent |
| 00:41.45 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, eh, I don't mind recompiling the whole kernel I guess, it doesn't take that long |
| 00:41.52 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i don't know. ask the channel in general |
| 00:42.22 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I not understand |
| 00:42.36 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, just give me the instructions you gave me before to re do the configure process, you said to dpkg-make clean or something like that |
| 00:42.38 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: yeah.. i've never compiled just a module except for my video card driver, and the process is pretty automated by ati's installer |
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| 00:43.00 | DavidProck1981 | ktorrent is a BitTorrent client for linux |
| 00:43.13 | DavidProck1981 | aka a file share program |
| 00:43.20 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: go into the dir... cp -v .config ../config-2.6.18.3 |
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| 00:43.42 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: make-kpkg clean |
| 00:43.45 | DavidProck1981 | now do u understand |
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| 00:44.01 | felipefg | devicenull, i had a amd64 laptop and didnt had any driver problem with debian |
| 00:44.04 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: make mrproper |
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| 00:44.18 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: cp -v ../config-2.6.18.3 .config |
| 00:44.18 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Not yet realy, im slow |
| 00:44.37 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: then you should be ready for make xconfig |
| 00:44.41 | felipefg | but I had a 32bit firefox and flash plugin, and it took almost a full minute to startup |
| 00:45.15 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Install first xfce then use xfce and start ktorrent?? |
| 00:45.23 | DavidProck1981 | could i go from the KDE Desktop, And go into the xfce Desktop and resume in the middle of my Ktorrent downloads |
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| 00:46.11 | devicenull | honestly, if I don't have flash, I'm not really sad.. |
| 00:46.34 | felipefg | lol |
| 00:46.43 | itchi | DavidProck1981: You can start another X server if you want, and use 2 differents desktops |
| 00:46.51 | felipefg | yeah.. flash was the last thing i was sad for.. |
| 00:46.57 | DavidProck1981 | as of now aptitude is bizzy so i got to wait on the xfce , will do in a min |
| 00:47.02 | DavidProck1981 | HOW do i do that |
| 00:47.04 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I dunno about ktorrent |
| 00:47.19 | DavidProck1981 | start another X server if you want, and use 2 differents desktops, HOW |
| 00:47.21 | felipefg | but u said u want to run cedega, right? probably some proprietary games also? |
| 00:47.32 | devicenull | yea |
| 00:47.36 | devicenull | I also need ntfs-3g |
| 00:47.37 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Maybe you want more as 2 haha :-) |
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| 00:47.49 | devicenull | so I'm thinking 32bit would be better for now |
| 00:47.55 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
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| 00:48.09 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Start Gnome, kde and xfce :-) |
| 00:48.26 | itchi | DavidProck1981: ... and play :-) |
| 00:48.28 | DavidProck1981 | at the same time, HOW |
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| 00:48.47 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Yeah, start fluxbox too, also to good hehe |
| 00:49.29 | ehc | is firefox 2 in any repositories to install with apt-get? |
| 00:49.32 | felipefg | you could try using the 32bits compatiblity libraries to run these.. if it doesnt work, make a 32bit chroot.. |
| 00:50.38 | devicenull | ntfs-3g supposedly supports 64bit as well |
| 00:50.53 | devicenull | so the only hard thing would be cedega |
| 00:51.03 | creature | Have any of you ever used hostapd? |
| 00:51.09 | felipefg | hmm |
| 00:51.18 | DavidProck1981 | would it be awsome if bill gates would relese 100% of his code to linux |
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| 00:52.24 | geo-rge | then we'd have to -read- it |
| 00:52.24 | Ilovemypuppy | id be happy with any 2000+ version of windows going open-spurce |
| 00:52.24 | DavidProck1981 | then all this emulation shit would be over |
| 00:52.24 | felipefg | devicenull i would give the 64 bits a try if I were u.. the worst consequence is to have the cedega starting up a bit slower |
| 00:52.24 | Ilovemypuppy | DavidProck1981, man is cedega he pits |
| 00:52.39 | DavidProck1981 | man is cedega he pits??????? |
| 00:53.08 | devicenull | hrm, I really hope my computer can boot off dvd's |
| 00:53.25 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Just try stuff you not need to emulate :-) There are many alternatives, just need you find it |
| 00:53.26 | DavidProck1981 | do u have a dvd drive LOL LMAO |
| 00:53.28 | onetinsoldier | is that a line from Taladega Nights? |
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| 00:53.47 | felipefg | lol |
| 00:53.50 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Please the u! |
| 00:54.11 | tacocat | I have a Pentium 686 and two hard drives (identical) is it worth setting up a parallel array? |
| 00:54.14 | itchi | DavidProck1981: LOL are also not yet very well btw |
| 00:54.33 | DavidProck1981 | is there a linux binary for the game "Enter The Matrix" |
| 00:54.39 | devicenull | is it possible to "upgrade" from a 32bit install to x64? |
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| 00:55.08 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Look, English is not my native language and that's the case of many here. I have never take an book to learn English stuff, so try to keep it right please |
| 00:55.09 | felipefg | dont think so.. |
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| 00:55.34 | DavidProck1981 | what did u know undersatnd |
| 00:55.53 | itchi | DavidProck1981: That borow everyone to write such as an aol user or an msn'er |
| 00:55.56 | devicenull | well, I guess I get to see if I can burn a CD image to a dvd then |
| 00:55.59 | onetinsoldier | what did you not uinderstand! |
| 00:56.04 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 00:56.05 | itchi | !tell DavidProck1981 -about u |
| 00:56.07 | onetinsoldier | what did you not understand! |
| 00:56.21 | itchi | !tell DavidProck1981 -about lol |
| 00:56.24 | itchi | as bonus |
| 00:56.43 | onetinsoldier | it's not.... "what did u know undersatnd' it's, 'what did you not understand' ...!!! |
| 00:56.49 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Serious, many people not like that! |
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| 00:57.12 | DavidProck1981 | heh |
| 00:57.18 | onetinsoldier | teeheehee |
| 00:57.18 | tacocat | OK, so is this one of those nights were we don't get anything done on the IRC? |
| 00:57.23 | DavidProck1981 | aol my ass |
| 00:57.34 | DavidProck1981 | lol , aol my ass |
| 00:57.35 | felipefg | itchi how do You express laughtin then? |
| 00:57.40 | xored | is it possible to bind the sladp(openldap) server to an interface and to to an ip loke ldap://127.0.0.1 ? |
| 00:57.52 | geo-rge | tacocat: what night on irc is NOT like that? |
| 00:57.52 | itchi | felipefg: Buahaha, hahah hehehe |
| 00:57.58 | tacocat | I' |
| 00:58.02 | tacocat | I've seen better. |
| 00:58.03 | peterS | tacocat: it _is_ Sunday already, so of course this is one of those nights |
| 00:58.25 | geo-rge | the only way to get things done is to leave irc :) |
| 00:58.29 | tacocat | for you... |
| 00:58.32 | cydork | felipefg: bwahhaha for nomal and muahahh for evil :P |
| 00:58.33 | felipefg | cool :-D i use this in my native language.. dont see it used very often in english.. |
| 00:58.39 | DavidProck1981 | that is to buch LOL LMAO ROTF |
| 00:58.44 | cydork | s/nomal/normal/ :P |
| 00:58.58 | tacocat | oh shit. I just wanted to find out what's involved in taking two crappy disks and trying to make one less crappy linear array. |
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| 00:59.18 | rosen37 | kitche: do you think an upgrade debian to kernel 2.6.15... instead of me 2.6.8 could resolvmy prob? |
| 00:59.29 | peterS | tacocat: do you mean linear as in, storage just starts at one disk, continues to the end, then uses the second disk? |
| 00:59.33 | tacocat | and yes, 'lol' , 'u', 'roflmao' are all AOL quirks. These are different from BTW, and such. |
| 00:59.34 | DavidProck1981 | ok look this is what im asking....... |
| 00:59.41 | liable | tacocat: not a real hassle to do, googole a mdadm howto |
| 00:59.44 | itchi | DavidProck1981: /ignore DavidProck1981 |
| 00:59.58 | geo-rge | it's still gonna be crappy to some degree... I'd suggest getting a bad block list for both drives anbd go from there |
| 00:59.59 | xored | is it possible to bind the sladp(openldap) server to an interface and not to an ip like ldap://127.0.0.1 ? (heavly typos corrected) |
| 01:00.03 | Ace2016 | bye all |
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| 01:00.08 | tacocat | peterSL no. like linear as in write a little to disk 1 and then a little to disk 2 and a little bit more to disk 1... |
| 01:00.24 | tacocat | 'mdadm' ? |
| 01:00.40 | peterS | tacocat: oh, that's striping, aka raid0. I should note that both linear and raid0 increase your risk of disk failure significantly (because if _either_ disk fails, you lose) |
| 01:00.44 | tacocat | These are new disks, so it should be relative easy. |
| 01:00.59 | tacocat | I know. But it's not for reliability that I'm doing this. |
| 01:01.05 | kitche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.14 | peterS | tacocat: anyway, yeah, mdadm is the utility to handle raid stuff in debian |
| 01:01.17 | tacocat | I'm playing with a database and want to remove some of the IO cruft. |
| 01:01.23 | tacocat | Cool. |
| 01:01.37 | rosen37 | someone can give me the sources.list for etch? |
| 01:01.47 | tacocat | Now the real question is.. This is on a Pentium 500MHz machine with ATA66 disks.... |
| 01:01.48 | peterS | rosen37: p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch, I think |
| 01:01.52 | tacocat | even worth it? |
| 01:01.53 | liable | tacocat: the installer can also set it up during, um, install.. |
| 01:02.08 | tacocat | :) already installed enough that I don't want to go back. |
| 01:02.17 | xored | its the easies job ever getting mdadm running ( in debian ) |
| 01:02.27 | itchi | rosen37: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 01:02.30 | onetinsoldier | deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 01:02.30 | onetinsoldier | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:02.30 | onetinsoldier | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 01:02.41 | peterS | onetinsoldier: yeah don't flood the channel plskthx |
| 01:02.45 | felipefg | wow, do you really have a RAID controller in this hardware? |
| 01:02.53 | onetinsoldier | doh, sorry.. that was all supposed to be a .msg to him |
| 01:03.09 | tacocat | No controller -- software raid0... |
| 01:03.15 | rosen37 | itchi: a recent debian machine will be necessary to do that |
| 01:03.16 | onetinsoldier | i guess /msg doesn't work for multi line eh |
| 01:03.19 | tacocat | That's why I'm not sure if it is even worth it. |
| 01:03.20 | liable | felipefg: you dont *need* one, thats why its called software raid |
| 01:03.37 | onetinsoldier | rosen37: /msg me please |
| 01:03.38 | peterS | tacocat: shrug - raid0 isn't cpu-intensive, the processor power doesn't matter much. unlike software raid5 or raid6. |
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| 01:03.52 | tacocat | cool. then there is hope. |
| 01:04.16 | freemind | Hi, I'm trying to build my own netboot image, because the actual one doesnt recognize my network card(realtek 8168B) - how to create my own netboot image with this driver integrated? |
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| 01:04.23 | XenomuZ | ok i did apt-get install xserver-xfree |
| 01:04.26 | DavidProck1981 | i can take a windows install of the game called "Quake 3 Arena" and put it on linux and all i got to do is replace the quake.exe with a binary made for linux, and then i can play Q3A with no windows emulation !!! , WELL IM ASKING Is there a web site with a collection binary replacements aka exe files fow many windows games off of CD? |
| 01:04.38 | XenomuZ | ok i did apt-get install xserver-xfree, everything installed but i cant "startx" |
| 01:04.41 | XenomuZ | what should i do |
| 01:04.44 | onetinsoldier | peterS: you accpet apology? |
| 01:04.45 | tacocat | I will go play now.... |
| 01:04.52 | onetinsoldier | accept* |
| 01:04.53 | itchi | XenomuZ: See /msg dpkg install x |
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| 01:04.54 | peterS | onetinsoldier: you're fine, I know you didn't mean to do that |
| 01:05.01 | freemind | XenomuZ, tell us the reason, X-server shows a reason anytime |
| 01:05.02 | DavidProck1981 | collection *OF* |
| 01:05.05 | onetinsoldier | peterS: ok.. cool, thanks |
| 01:05.05 | XenomuZ | thanks |
| 01:05.08 | geo-rge | freemind: you'd have to build a kernel package with that driver then you would have to build a custom d-i |
| 01:05.31 | freemind | geo-rge, thanks - I just want the driver in there, no other changes to the d-i |
| 01:05.34 | onetinsoldier | rosen37: hello.. are you there? |
| 01:05.36 | freemind | is this possible easily? |
| 01:05.57 | geo-rge | well it is easier than boot-floppies was |
| 01:05.59 | DavidProck1981 | i can take a windows install of the game called "Quake 3 Arena" and put it on linux and all i got to do is replace the quake.exe with a binary made for linux, and then i can play Q3A with no windows emulation !!! , WELL IM ASKING Is there a web site with a collection of binary replacements aka exe files for many windows games off of CD? |
| 01:06.12 | freemind | geo-rge, can you please tell me how to crosscompile? I have to build an amd64 kernel-pkg on a 386 machine |
| 01:06.25 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 01:06.29 | freemind | is "--arch amd64" enough? |
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| 01:06.43 | geo-rge | I'm not sure |
| 01:06.43 | e319 | hi how can i switch between kde and xfce? |
| 01:06.43 | onetinsoldier | DavidProck1981: no. if you find one let us know |
| 01:06.50 | freemind | geo-rge, thanks for your help mate :) |
| 01:06.50 | geo-rge | I haven't tried that myself... BUT it does sound reasonable |
| 01:07.00 | itchi | e319: Use you an DM? |
| 01:07.01 | DavidProck1981 | will defantly |
| 01:07.08 | freemind | how to build this d-i from the kernel-package then? |
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| 01:07.14 | geo-rge | are you sure you want to go that route? I believe i386 -will- work |
| 01:07.25 | e319 | an DM? |
| 01:07.31 | freemind | yes it will work, thats true :) but I need amd64 installation there |
| 01:07.32 | DavidProck1981 | in fact why dont some one start one |
| 01:07.46 | freemind | the i386 release recognizes the ehternet card.. :( |
| 01:07.46 | itchi | e319: Display manager, see /msg dpkg dm |
| 01:07.54 | felipefg | DavidProck1981: such executables uses to be an official port of the game, so you can have a look in the site of your preferred game to see if one exists.. |
| 01:08.02 | geo-rge | freemind: that's a big process, I did it once partially, never got it going... so for the moment you can't depend on me |
| 01:08.04 | freemind | I've tried the latest daily build too, no support in there |
| 01:08.10 | ehc | does any one know of a repositry with firefox 2 in it, so i can apt-get install |
| 01:08.14 | DavidProck1981 | onetinsoldier: do u like Q3A |
| 01:08.20 | onetinsoldier | DavidProck1981: there is this service however... check it out if you want.... http://www.transgaming.com/ |
| 01:08.25 | freemind | geo-rge, thanks a lot for your infos, great help till now! :) |
| 01:08.45 | DavidProck1981 | i dont have the money to pay for it |
| 01:08.52 | peterS | ehc: 'iceweasel' 2.0 is in unstable now |
| 01:08.52 | itchi | e319: When you start your computer, have you an login screen? Or how do you start the grafical interface? |
| 01:09.16 | geo-rge | freemind: if you're pretty familiar with building stuff, you'd probably just get temporarily stuck at a few places |
| 01:09.19 | peterS | ehc: but I don't know what is available for debian stable |
| 01:09.32 | itchi | e319: ps aux | grep dm should give you some hints |
| 01:09.33 | e319 | itchi: using knoppix, it boots right into kde - switchdesk isnt there either. |
| 01:09.43 | ehc | okay |
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| 01:09.48 | freemind | geo-rge, yea :) hehe Learning all the time with linux :) |
| 01:09.52 | itchi | e319: hhhmm, ask #knoppix |
| 01:09.57 | onetinsoldier | DavidProck1981: no, but i can't say that ive ever tried Q3A. i like two windows games that are, well, pretty different from each other. one is, Battlefield 2. the other is MS Flight Simulator 2004 |
| 01:10.50 | geo-rge | black n white! |
| 01:11.02 | rfrank | freemind, what are you trying to do? |
| 01:11.04 | DavidProck1981 | it a 3D shootem up game |
| 01:11.07 | twice11 | south n' north |
| 01:11.08 | liable | onetinsoldier: check out x-plane, its available for linux |
| 01:11.14 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Look to fgfs |
| 01:11.17 | itchi | !fgfs |
| 01:11.17 | dpkg | methinks fgfs is FlightGear Flight Simulator, an open-source, multi-platform, cooperative flight simulator development project, see also http://www.flightgear.org/, see also http://wiki.flightgear.org/ |
| 01:11.27 | twice11 | lol |
| 01:11.33 | itchi | Less know about it :-( |
| 01:11.44 | onetinsoldier | liable: yep, i might check it out since it can on linux. i am well aware of it being a pretty hard core flight simmer |
| 01:11.54 | freemind | rfrank, I am trying to install an amd64 machine via the network(netboot) - now he is missing the nic-module |
| 01:11.58 | onetinsoldier | liable: i had it way back when it was v 5.0 |
| 01:12.21 | twice11 | can we use FlighGear to practice how to hit a building? |
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| 01:12.51 | DavidProck1981 | BRB = Be Right Back, Got to shit |
| 01:12.52 | onetinsoldier | liable: i am aware of flightgear and have never tried it out either. but screenshots of it don't even compare to x-plane or fs2004 |
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| 01:12.57 | itchi | twice11: heh |
| 01:13.03 | twice11 | ^^ |
| 01:13.07 | rfrank | freemind, rebuild the kernel :P |
| 01:13.27 | geo-rge | freemind: I'm wondering if you can boot a normal netinst (with known kernel version) then get the module for that card and copy it there, insert the module and go from there |
| 01:13.33 | freemind | rfrank, doing so right now :-) the question is: how to build the debian-installer(d-i) from the kernel-package? |
| 01:13.47 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Many /good/ options are disabled default in fgfs |
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| 01:14.05 | freemind | geo-rge, got the same idea, but I guess he will tell me "wrong module version" or something like that |
| 01:14.14 | geo-rge | freemind: also, there are netinstall cds that have the installer and the base on them... you could install the base then configure networking later |
| 01:14.18 | onetinsoldier | itchi: well maybe i'll check it out before long. there's a first time for everything. ;) |
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| 01:14.20 | liable | onetinsoldier: yah, FG needs a lttle bit of work. i guess the more people that use it, the better it'll get though |
| 01:14.28 | itchi | onetinsoldier: The goal is to reach an such big as possible wide ranche of hardwared and for old too |
| 01:14.31 | geo-rge | freemind: not if you are aware of the versions and match them |
| 01:14.41 | freemind | geo-rge, good idea mate, but how to configure network later without working module? |
| 01:14.50 | itchi | onetinsoldier: hhhm, also sinds .10 is there ... Many nice new features too |
| 01:14.57 | onetinsoldier | sinds? |
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| 01:15.02 | freemind | geo-rge, I understand what you mean |
| 01:15.05 | onetinsoldier | never even heard of that one |
| 01:15.11 | geo-rge | right, you've only postponed having to solve the problem |
| 01:15.12 | freemind | I will try that first, thank you very much |
| 01:15.13 | geo-rge | BUT |
| 01:15.21 | liable | ithm since |
| 01:15.27 | geo-rge | you then will have more power under your fingers |
| 01:15.34 | freemind | hehe :)) |
| 01:15.39 | freemind | where are you from mate? |
| 01:15.46 | itchi | onetinsoldier: You need also to look to the wide range of little other fgfs releated stuff |
| 01:15.49 | geo-rge | calif |
| 01:16.01 | freemind | where is that? |
| 01:16.02 | freemind | usa? |
| 01:16.08 | geo-rge | yeah, stateside |
| 01:16.11 | onetinsoldier | itchi: ok |
| 01:16.17 | rosen37 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.21 | rosen37 | onetinsoldier: yep |
| 01:16.29 | onetinsoldier | rosen37: try again |
| 01:16.30 | freemind | thanks from germany mate :) |
| 01:16.40 | onetinsoldier | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.42 | geo-rge | not au?? |
| 01:16.43 | onetinsoldier | ops |
| 01:16.45 | onetinsoldier | oops |
| 01:16.46 | itchi | onetinsoldier: You have many little nice tools, need to google for it or the fgfs wiki. Like atlas maybe, but there are very many to cite |
| 01:16.49 | freemind | no :) de |
| 01:17.13 | geo-rge | welcome in both/either case |
| 01:17.58 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Btw, i use the cvs version of it |
| 01:17.58 | onetinsoldier | itchi: wow.. cvs eh. how often do you update it? |
| 01:17.58 | freemind | geo-rge, is it possible to msg you? |
| 01:18.02 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Depend, just before to fly :-) |
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| 01:18.14 | onetinsoldier | itchi: do you have a joystick working good with it? |
| 01:18.21 | geo-rge | yes but I have a music work session starting now |
| 01:18.34 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Yeah :-) The big king microshit thing there |
| 01:18.46 | freemind | I forgot to tell you one important thing -> the kernel version which is used by the actual daily netboot image is 2.6.17-2 - this version doesnt have the 8168 module in it - do I need to patch the kernel to a newer version then? |
| 01:19.04 | onetinsoldier | itchi: hmm, might be the same as mine. ms forcefeedback 2 |
| 01:19.11 | itchi | onetinsoldier: hehe, yeah |
| 01:19.15 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
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| 01:20.13 | itchi | onetinsoldier: That force feedback is still not available in fgfs, like normally there are no feedback on an real joystick, but is on the devs todo list |
| 01:20.46 | onetinsoldier | itchi: cool. force feedback is nice to have, although not required |
| 01:20.54 | liable | freemind: cant you just get the source package and make that after install? |
| 01:21.09 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Yeah, that part miss bit, but maybe help the devs :-) |
| 01:21.11 | freemind | liable, which source package? |
| 01:21.25 | liable | freemind: for your net card |
| 01:21.28 | itchi | onetinsoldier: But without, it's realy amazing |
| 01:21.39 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
| 01:21.46 | freemind | liable, thats the problem mate, I'm trying to install via network - so I just got the network for getting things |
| 01:22.11 | liable | freemind: you can install the base system without network |
| 01:22.51 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Also you should need to look to additional sceneries, like 'Paris' and so. There is an french team who work very hard in modeling. Also take an look to the flightgrear irc server and the #flightgear on it |
| 01:22.56 | freemind | thats true mate :) But how to get the nic-driver then? I just got network there - the machine is in datacenter |
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| 01:23.53 | itchi | onetinsoldier: You can convert you shit planes to somethings good, kug, so that it work in fgfs |
| 01:24.00 | liable | freemind: ah, ok, i thought you had physical access |
| 01:24.22 | onetinsoldier | itchi: ok. i will probably install it before long, not right at the moment though. waht is the irc server that #flightgear is on? |
| 01:24.39 | freemind | no :( thanks for your sympathies liable :-) |
| 01:24.47 | itchi | onetinsoldier: flightgear, look on the website of it, it's noted |
| 01:25.04 | onetinsoldier | itchi: ok, roger |
| 01:25.12 | itchi | onetinsoldier: Install the cvs version ;-) |
| 01:25.23 | onetinsoldier | itchi: i will, count on that |
| 01:25.32 | devicenull | I'm having issues with jigdo.. I can't find a mirror that has the x64 versions of files |
| 01:26.13 | itchi | onetinsoldier: It's an project that eveluate many |
| 01:26.14 | devicenull | nm |
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| 01:26.46 | onetinsoldier | itchi: i'll bet it does |
| 01:27.22 | magyar | hi, is it possible to have an etch installer CD with both amd64 and ia32 platforms? |
| 01:27.26 | itchi | DavidProck1981: /unignore DavidProck1981 Please! |
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| 01:28.43 | felipefg_ | holy lag |
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| 01:29.50 | tacocat | OK, got the disks in and setting up mdadm |
| 01:30.11 | freemind | magyar, very good question |
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| 01:30.55 | freemind | magyar, I guess there is no problem - just both folders needed on the medium and a selector for the architecture - I would need something like that too! :) |
| 01:31.53 | bintut | anyone here uses NetworkManager? |
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| 01:32.28 | tacocat | So how do I set up these two disks? |
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| 01:32.41 | tacocat | mdadm didn't 'auto' detect them. I guess it needs a nudge |
| 01:32.46 | magyar | freemind: would be a sweet thing -_- |
| 01:33.52 | freemind | tacocat, tried mdadm --query --detail ? |
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| 01:36.36 | itchi | !tell root -about root |
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| 01:37.07 | itchi | root: Are you logged in as root user? |
| 01:37.11 | felipefg | hahahh |
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| 01:38.01 | itchi | as root user you can not talk here |
| 01:38.19 | tacocat | mdadm can't find any devices. |
| 01:38.34 | tacocat | These are empty disks. Do I format them as any particular type? |
| 01:38.48 | tacocat | ( i picked 'fd' for raid auto...) |
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| 01:39.55 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, how do I remove the old one again |
| 01:40.03 | rfrank | dpkg --purge oldimagename? |
| 01:40.07 | itchi | Ikk-zaurus: Also logged in as root user? |
| 01:40.08 | rfrank | something like that. |
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| 01:41.28 | XrMb2 | i want to bring up NFS but it just does not want to work. mounting on the clien-side says always: mount: Hostname:/home/miro failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory - but i just can't find any errors in the configuration files. /etc/export contains a line like /home/miro 192.168.0.2(rw) |
| 01:41.30 | XrMb2 | any ideas? |
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| 01:42.49 | foutrelis | Hello. I downloaded and installed Debian tsting. I tried to connect to the Internet with my adsl usb modem by installing the required firmware with eueagle-atm. The problem is that, after the modem syncs, I don't know how to actually connect. For example in Fedora Core 6.0 I used pppd call ueagle-atm to connect. Could you help me? |
| 01:42.59 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: you here? sorry, i was away for some minutes there |
| 01:43.08 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, yes |
| 01:43.08 | foutrelis | *testing |
| 01:43.16 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I'm running the kernel which I'm about to remove so I have to restart first |
| 01:43.44 | onetinsoldier | rfrank,: you got it... dpkg --purge <packagename> |
| 01:43.50 | freemind | tacocat, right :) now just create the md devices |
| 01:44.16 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: c'mon, you running sid! you need to be a 'problem packages' wizard! :-) |
| 01:44.17 | itchi | foutrelis: Have you an RJ45 entry on your ADSL modem? |
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| 01:44.44 | foutrelis | itchi: You mean an ethernet port? no it connects via usb cable |
| 01:44.51 | XrMb2 | btw, cat /proc/fs/nfs/exports says: #Version 1.1 #Patch Client(Flags) # IPs - shouldn't there be something like the client-ip in /etc/exports? |
| 01:45.00 | itchi | foutrelis: But have you not one? |
| 01:45.12 | itchi | foutrelis: Some have both |
| 01:45.28 | foutrelis | This one sucks so much that has only one usb port |
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| 01:45.48 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i used to run sid. i used to be able to solve just about any installation problem that came my way, hehe. but that was a few years ago. |
| 01:46.54 | foutrelis | In ubuntu I have used [pon ueagle-atm] to connect. Maybe I could install a package in Debian or something? |
| 01:47.52 | tacocat | Got mdadm working.. but what fs_type is /dev/md0 going to be? |
| 01:48.27 | liable | foutrelis: pon/poff is part of the pppd package |
| 01:48.58 | foutrelis | So I should just get that? :) |
| 01:49.05 | tacocat | freemind: what's the fs_type to mount? |
| 01:49.29 | freemind | tacocat, you create a normal ext2/3 or reiser(or whatever) on the /dev/md device |
| 01:49.39 | freemind | :) thats it |
| 01:49.49 | tacocat | fdisk /dev/md0.... |
| 01:49.59 | freemind | mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0 |
| 01:50.03 | freemind | for example |
| 01:50.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how I can convert a MPEG2 file to DVD (vob)? |
| 01:50.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | And burn it to a DVD |
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| 01:50.40 | liable | foutrelis: my bad, ppp, not pppd (it supplies pppd and the scripts though) |
| 01:50.56 | itchi | foutrelis: Theres kppp - modem dialer and ppp frontend for KDE maybe help that |
| 01:51.09 | foutrelis | liable, maybe I could get the packages in ubuntu and copy them to Debian to get the modem working? Do you know where apt-get stores the packages it downloads? |
| 01:51.17 | onetinsoldier | i used to use kppp eons ago |
| 01:51.25 | foutrelis | itchi, I kind of hate kde :$ |
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| 01:51.39 | itchi | foutrelis: Hehe, me too |
| 01:51.44 | onetinsoldier | foutrelis: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:52.10 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, I have booted to older kernel, how do I remove the newer one |
| 01:52.33 | tacocat | Hm... might have messed it up. |
| 01:52.40 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: c'mon, your running sid! you need to be a installation and 'problem packages' wizard! :-) |
| 01:52.40 | foutrelis | thanks itchi liable onetinsoldier. I ll try to get the packages and boot in Debian and make the damn modem work :) |
| 01:52.48 | onetinsoldier | rfrank,: you got it... dpkg --purge <packagename> :) |
| 01:52.59 | rfrank | onetinsoldier, haha I thought that was it I just wanted to make sure |
| 01:53.11 | onetinsoldier | rfrank,: ok... dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
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| 01:53.21 | itchi | foutrelis: Do not install stuff of Ubuntu! |
| 01:53.28 | liable | foutrelis: just get the debian one |
| 01:53.35 | onetinsoldier | rfrank: i used to run sid. i used to be able to solve just about any installation problem that came my way, hehe. but that was a few years ago. |
| 01:53.40 | foutrelis | hmm.. omg.. I totally forgot that :( |
| 01:54.10 | liable | foutrelis: ubuntu more than likely supplied a driver too, so you may need to do more than just install ppp |
| 01:54.28 | rfrank | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.18.3 (--purge): |
| 01:54.28 | rfrank | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.31 | liable | foutrelis: or if your lucky, its a driver thats in the kernel.. |
| 01:54.36 | itchi | foutrelis: Maybe tell us which modem you have |
| 01:54.44 | foutrelis | I think that Debian had ueagle already in place |
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| 01:54.50 | foutrelis | sagem fast 840 |
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| 01:55.34 | rosen37 | mm someone can help me with myu grub, I chroot my system and installing a new linux-image but the grub is not updated |
| 01:55.42 | foutrelis | I copied some firmware files and after plugging it back it it synchronized :P |
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| 01:59.23 | foutrelis | I got the file. I don't know if I ll need any dependencies but if that's the case I ll boot with ubuntu again to get em. thanks for the help guys :) |
| 01:59.24 | tacocat | raid0 is working but it's hardly any faster than some of my other disks. |
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| 02:00.39 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.44 | itchi | but to late |
| 02:00.45 | bintut | !plf |
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| 02:13.07 | devicenull | is there a way to burn a netinst CD image to a dvd? |
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| 02:14.48 | olskolirc | im trying to check out this irc messenger 2.0 with audio chat and load it to my crossover office, but im get |
| 02:14.52 | olskolirc | ting a runaround |
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| 02:19.49 | Ghostbuster | anyone having problems with the nvidia kernel in 2.6.19 kernel ? |
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| 02:20.12 | tonyb2006 | Ghostbuster: #nvidia perhaps |
| 02:20.31 | Ghostbuster | ah thanks |
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| 02:20.47 | Eroick | I have debian sarge, but my sources.list is set to testing. Should I distupgrade? |
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| 02:31.19 | jnjb | hello i try to find aress repository to install kde on sid |
| 02:31.24 | dvs | Eroick: only if you want testing |
| 02:31.48 | Eroick | dvs: what is the current testing release? |
| 02:31.56 | dvs | Eroick: etch |
| 02:32.09 | Eroick | dvs: time to dist-upgrade... |
| 02:32.30 | dvs | Eroick: Well, I'd change "testing" to "etch" in your sources.list |
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| 02:34.02 | Eroick | dvs: what will |
| 02:34.05 | Eroick | opps |
| 02:34.11 | Eroick | dvs: what will "testing |
| 02:34.18 | dvs | huh? |
| 02:34.28 | Eroick | what will "testing" do? |
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| 02:34.50 | dvs | Eroick: etch will be released soon so testing will become something else |
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| 02:35.41 | Eroick | dvs: so if I distupgrade to testing, it will upgrade to etch, but it will soon become something else? |
| 02:36.01 | dvs | Eroick: it will upgrade to etch NOW, but in a month or so, it won't be etch anymore |
| 02:36.22 | jnjb | please can you help me |
| 02:36.34 | Eroick | yea. i started the upgrade so once its done Ill change testing to etch, right dvs? |
| 02:36.41 | dvs | Eroick: sure |
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| 02:39.42 | cromd | greetings all, could anyone suggest how good netgear wireless networking devices are for Debian? |
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| 02:43.14 | liable | cromd: try this link for starters http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 02:45.02 | Kinks | uhh.. if I remember right, somewhere in the depths of dpkg there's a repository that has a lot of later versions of common apps built for sarge, anyone know what it is? |
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| 02:45.51 | cromd | thanking thee liable, greatly appreciated |
| 02:45.52 | Kinks | I think I discovered it trying to find a way to get mplayer without building it myself, but that was way too long ago. :/ |
| 02:46.20 | mtomczak | Greetings all! I have a brand-new 'rails' install, pretty much out of the box. I'm attempting to work with it, but the WEBrick test server seems to be ignoring connect requests from machines besides localhost. Is this normal? |
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| 02:52.47 | Phated | z/win 5 |
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| 02:54.25 | kingsley_ | After switching from xfree86 to xorg, why would X become unable to load modules named "GLcore" and "speedo"? |
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| 02:56.47 | Azar | SCO is toast. hehe |
| 02:57.07 | Azar | kingsley_: did you reconfigure? |
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| 02:58.40 | Azar | slow saturday only liable keeps the fort.. |
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| 02:59.29 | kingsley_ | Azar, Thanks for asking. I did, and if I recall correctly, I reconfigured package xserver-xorg. |
| 03:00.31 | Azar | kingsley_: and you did not see the GLcore and speedo up for grabs there? |
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| 03:01.13 | Azar | I dunno about xorg, I allways used and use xfree86 and they are there on the reconfiguration |
| 03:01.23 | errorlevel | Is there a way to get a list of all installed packages and output it to a text file? |
| 03:01.34 | mtomczak | !rails |
| 03:01.50 | Azar | errorlevel: text file? you never use a term? |
| 03:02.00 | kingsley_ | errorlevel, dpkg -l > /tmp/dpkg.log |
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| 03:02.09 | errorlevel | Azar: Okay. I meant to redirect it to a file..... |
| 03:02.23 | Azar | ah.. for printing |
| 03:02.43 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 03:03.08 | bintut | i'm always having this lines whenever i apt-get upgrade |
| 03:03.18 | bintut | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 03:03.18 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.21 | Azar | bintut: use a paster |
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| 03:03.38 | Azar | ah |
| 03:04.05 | cromd | liable - apparently not a good score for netgear in general, are there any wireless networking devices actually reccomended for Debian? |
| 03:04.16 | Azar | bintut: maybe you already have the latest version of those packages, or they depend on a package you do not have yet.. |
| 03:04.36 | bintut | Azar: how can i fix that? |
| 03:04.44 | errorlevel | Thanks kingsley_. =) |
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| 03:05.59 | Abe | hi everyone. I'm having problem in passing a parameter slow_down=1 to sata_sil. tried creating a file in modprobe.d but seems doesn't work |
| 03:06.25 | Abe | the sata is a boot drive, so wondering if this affects it. really appreciate if someone could give me a hint |
| 03:06.41 | liable | cromd: anything that has native drivers. I have had good luck with my atheros based card, and intel is generally pretty good |
| 03:07.21 | liable | bintut: are you dist-upgrading or just upgrading? |
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| 03:08.39 | Azar | cromd: http://wiki.debian.org/WPA << maybe this can help? |
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| 03:09.09 | n0dl | is there a special boot parameter for the installation cd for scsi harddrives? |
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| 03:11.03 | liable | n0dl: installer doesnt find them? |
| 03:11.06 | bintut | liable: none of the two choices you have.. |
| 03:11.17 | bintut | liable: i mean, apt-get upgrade only |
| 03:11.45 | n0dl | liable: when i installed my harddrives were mounted as hda when looked at my fstab file |
| 03:11.57 | liable | bintut: thats why, try a 'dist-upgrade' and go read the apt-howto |
| 03:12.19 | liable | n0dl: depends on the kernel as to what they will be labelled |
| 03:12.25 | bintut | liable: i'm running etch here.. dist-upgrade to what? |
| 03:12.37 | n0dl | liable: hmmm i will try linux26 then |
| 03:12.40 | n0dl | thank you |
| 03:12.41 | liable | bintut: its a command. |
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| 03:13.12 | liable | n0dl: you'll prolly find 2.6 will be sd, you can just install a 2.6 and edit the neccessary files |
| 03:13.18 | bintut | liable: yeah, i know it's a command.. but i won't be changing my /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable, right? |
| 03:13.34 | liable | bintut: no, go read man apt-get |
| 03:13.45 | n0dl | liable: im sorry sd? |
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| 03:14.14 | liable | n0dl: sda |
| 03:14.19 | liable | instead of hda |
| 03:14.22 | Azar | :) welcome back honorable abrotman |
| 03:14.37 | n0dl | liable: alright thank you |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:15.18 | dooglus | I was just watching a video on youtube and the sound cut out after 45 minutes. |
| 03:15.18 | Azar | o/t news, but I am so happy scrooge is dying |
| 03:15.31 | dooglus | I tried other videos in new tabs, but the sound was still out |
| 03:15.42 | liable | thats the new youtube DRM |
| 03:15.44 | dooglus | so I closed down and restarted the browser, but the sound was still out |
| 03:15.52 | Azar | hahahahaha~! |
| 03:15.56 | dooglus | so I tried playing music in mplayer, but the sound was still out |
| 03:16.08 | liable | it pwns your box! |
| 03:16.14 | Azar | dooglus: you might have burned your audio card/chip |
| 03:16.17 | dooglus | so I checked the volume control, both hardware and software, but they were both turned up |
| 03:16.29 | dooglus | so I pushed the headphone jack back in. |
| 03:16.31 | dooglus | it's OK now. |
| 03:16.46 | dooglus | looks like I'll be re-downloading 45 minutes of video... |
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| 03:16.54 | Azar | stop bragging, ok? |
| 03:17.20 | bintut | how to enable bootsplash in debian? |
| 03:17.22 | dooglus | Azar: I did think it might be a hardware thing, because about a year ago the same thing happened to the right channel, and that's never come back. |
| 03:18.13 | dooglus | Azar: is it at all likely for half the audio card to burn out? like just the right hand side? |
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| 03:20.57 | Azar | err.. it was just an opinion, it might be the speaker, the wire, the plug.. who knows? |
| 03:21.00 | n0dl | liable: it seems that my hard drive is still detected as an hda drive. should i proceed with instiallation then try to compile a custom kernel after reboot? |
| 03:21.15 | abrotman | nice .. all the people that pinged me while i was gone are now gone :) |
| 03:21.32 | dooglus | it's the same with speakers and headphones, so that rules out the headphone socket, the wire, and the plug |
| 03:22.01 | Azar | for one thing, you indeed are a person of interest, abrotman |
| 03:22.06 | liable | n0dl: yeah, just install, then google your chipset. it doesnt really matter whats its labelled as, as long as it works :) |
| 03:22.07 | dooglus | I was wondering if maybe it's my ear, but I tried turning the headphones around, and then the left side is silent. |
| 03:22.16 | n0dl | liable: alirght thank you |
| 03:22.22 | abrotman | Azar: it was people i had been helping earlier .. i think |
| 03:22.29 | abrotman | Azar: and i don't think i'm that interesting :) |
| 03:22.45 | Azar | abrotman, everybody kiks your doors |
| 03:23.39 | Azar | abrotman, did you see the ./ news maker? you just use the "next" button and you get as many news as you want |
| 03:24.15 | abrotman | the who |
| 03:24.15 | abrotman | ? |
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| 03:25.49 | Azar | slashdotisms |
| 03:26.08 | dooglus | abrotman: http://clint.stephen-cassady.org/ - except it's slashdotted. |
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| 03:26.28 | Azar | noooo he hates the slashdot |
| 03:27.02 | abrotman | no .. i hate that you repeat all the stories :) |
| 03:28.14 | Azar | well, now I have a multitude of different stories at the click of a button |
| 03:28.21 | Ilovemypuppy | if im running debian stable on a 686, what are my chances of ndiswrapper working correctly on my sis900 wireless usb adapter? |
| 03:29.00 | Ilovemypuppy | i didnt have such good luck in either debian OR gentoo |
| 03:29.16 | abrotman | did you ask #ndiswrapper about it ? |
| 03:29.23 | Ilovemypuppy | no |
| 03:29.53 | cromd | thank you liable, i'll try to find stuff bearing that in mind |
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| 03:30.41 | cromd | thanks Azar, i'll check it out |
| 03:31.04 | liable | cromd: just be a bit weary about manufacturers changing chipsets in different models |
| 03:31.28 | cromd | flippin heck! thanks for the warning liable |
| 03:31.50 | Azar | personally I am still not confident in wifi.. maybe two more years .. |
| 03:31.56 | abrotman | hehe .. the description for iceweasel says "lightweight" |
| 03:32.12 | Azar | ..and how "heavy" is it? |
| 03:32.14 | abrotman | Azar: by then .. 802.11n will be out |
| 03:32.19 | abrotman | Azar: it's basically firefox |
| 03:32.53 | Azar | so far I use firefox "plain" no plugins attached.... I only need it to read text and navigate decently |
| 03:33.44 | Azar | when I think "wifi" I think as comparing a device using 2 AA batteries versus same device type using normal power... |
| 03:34.18 | dooglus | oh, this is the slashdot generator site? http://tech.jmc.ksu.edu/phpnonsense/phpnonsense.php?template=slashdot - it makes up an entirely fake bunch of stories each time you refresh it |
| 03:35.10 | Azar | .. or a better example, wifi being as an am/fm radio with a trivial antenna that loses stations whenever is moved around or someone moves around it |
| 03:35.10 | abrotman | Azar: i'm on wifi when i'm at home .. works pretty darn well |
| 03:35.51 | Azar | abrotman: I live in an apartment building... lots of wires and stuff around.. I can barely use a wireless phone decently |
| 03:36.07 | abrotman | try a different channel |
| 03:36.14 | abrotman | or get a different band |
| 03:36.35 | Azar | inside is ok but once I try to go out in the patio, hits other waves from neighbors |
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| 03:40.37 | osphy | while trying to "apt-get upgrade", I get this error "Get: 3 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages [4507kB]" 61% [2 Packages bzip2 3268608] [3 Packages 974422/4507kB 21%] |
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| 03:41.23 | osphy | where this compressed file is located ? |
| 03:41.32 | osphy | and how to fix it |
| 03:41.33 | osphy | ? |
| 03:42.04 | abrotman | osm |
| 03:42.09 | abrotman | isn't it still downloading ? |
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| 03:42.41 | osphy | abrotman its not downloading and showing the bzip2 data corruption error |
| 03:43.00 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c .. try again .. or try another mirror |
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| 03:43.22 | osphy | ok |
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| 03:44.17 | osphy | I backed up /var/lib/apt and echo > *FAILED* and apt again |
| 03:45.20 | abrotman | so try another mirror |
| 03:45.38 | osphy | abrotman : ok |
| 03:45.58 | abrotman | there's a mirror in india |
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| 03:58.43 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:58.43 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:59.35 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 03:59.36 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 03:59.53 | shayx | hello folks, any idea of how can I use a procmail variable in a sed line inside .procmailrc? |
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| 04:07.35 | freemind | has someone ever customized the debian-installer with a new nic-driver? |
| 04:08.08 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 04:08.08 | dpkg | i heard custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 04:08.35 | freemind | abrotman thank you! :) |
| 04:08.46 | abrotman | don't thank me til it works :) |
| 04:09.16 | freemind | hehe :) |
| 04:10.16 | abrotman | freemind: which driver? |
| 04:10.43 | freemind | r1000 - for pci-express realtek |
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| 04:12.18 | abrotman | ah ... i doubt that's in the kernel yet huh ? |
| 04:13.09 | freemind | the last 64bit netboot image is kernel version 2.6.17-2 |
| 04:13.17 | freemind | I guess too old |
| 04:13.42 | abrotman | there's a sarge with 2.6.18 |
| 04:13.56 | freemind | you mean the backported from kenshi muto? |
| 04:14.02 | abrotman | yeah |
| 04:14.03 | lawnchair | does 64bit etch exist |
| 04:14.06 | freemind | thats only for i386 |
| 04:14.07 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 04:14.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm ... |
| 04:14.13 | abrotman | freemind: not anymore |
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| 04:14.20 | freemind | I send him email with requiest to build the 64bit netboot |
| 04:15.16 | abrotman | http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 04:15.40 | freemind | cdimage only :( |
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| 04:15.51 | freemind | cd and usb-image |
| 04:15.56 | freemind | but no netboot :( |
| 04:16.58 | abrotman | http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.18/amd64/sarge-custom-1115.iso |
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| 04:17.11 | nekostar | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii \o |
| 04:17.13 | freemind | this is the cd image mate |
| 04:17.17 | freemind | hi nekostar =) |
| 04:17.18 | abrotman | not a netboot ? |
| 04:17.22 | nekostar | so has anyone tried to put ppc port onto ps3 yet? |
| 04:17.22 | freemind | no :( |
| 04:17.29 | abrotman | PS3 is cell |
| 04:17.42 | nekostar | abrotman eh? i dont exactly understand |
| 04:17.42 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 04:17.42 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 04:17.51 | nekostar | i thought it was yeah a ppc spinoff |
| 04:18.20 | kitche | the cell is ppc |
| 04:18.38 | abrotman | it is .. kind of i guess |
| 04:18.39 | freemind | abrotman, I've installed the r1000 driver from a different folder than the kernel source directory - will the module be compiled in the kernel-package? |
| 04:18.50 | abrotman | compiled ? |
| 04:19.10 | freemind | will the make-kpkg script put the module in the image? |
| 04:19.32 | abrotman | if you do it correctly it can |
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| 04:20.01 | nekostar | !cell |
| 04:20.01 | dpkg | i heard cell is ask apt about jason pepas |
| 04:20.05 | freemind | how goes the correct way? In the readme from the driver is just "make clean modules ; make install ; depmod -a" |
| 04:20.10 | abrotman | !jason pepas |
| 04:20.10 | dpkg | jason pepas is, like, jason@pepas.com, or a debian newbie, or see http://jason.pepas.com |
| 04:20.14 | abrotman | ~jason pepas |
| 04:20.24 | apt | ACTION dresses up like tokimi and stalks pepas with a machete untill the world ends |
| 04:20.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:20.59 | abrotman | nekostar: might get more help from google :) |
| 04:21.43 | freemind | abrotman, what about the correct way for building the kernel package with custom nic-module? :) |
| 04:21.54 | abrotman | the docs above should help you |
| 04:22.16 | freemind | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at jason.pepas.com. |
| 04:22.47 | abrotman | you'll get over it :) |
| 04:23.13 | freemind | please just tell me what to do |
| 04:23.33 | dan2 | abrotman: have you ever had the pleasures of dealing with EDI? |
| 04:23.37 | abrotman | i meant the !custom netinst link |
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| 04:23.46 | abrotman | dan2: i work with a guy named edi :) |
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| 04:23.56 | abrotman | but i assume you mean Electronic Data Interchange :) |
| 04:23.58 | freemind | abrotman, I ment the custom module thing |
| 04:24.01 | dan2 | abrotman: I mean electronic data interchange |
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| 04:24.09 | freemind | which isnt listed on custom-netboot site |
| 04:24.13 | abrotman | dan2: uhm .. i think i did .. a long time ago |
| 04:24.27 | dan2 | abrotman: I've never seen anything quite this painful |
| 04:24.32 | slocate | is there anyway to keep xorg from installing all of those other pkgs? |
| 04:24.36 | abrotman | dan2: it is a requirement of business :) |
| 04:24.53 | dan2 | abrotman: we have to deal with a legacy telecom for dealing with white page listings |
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| 04:25.11 | abrotman | edi isn't that bad |
| 04:25.18 | dan2 | you're right |
| 04:25.20 | dan2 | it's horrible |
| 04:25.25 | Azar | freemind talks like a gentoobie |
| 04:25.32 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 04:25.32 | dpkg | it has been said that custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 04:25.38 | abrotman | try the last link |
| 04:26.02 | freemind | but I dont need CD mate |
| 04:26.08 | freemind | like I told you two times |
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| 04:26.24 | abrotman | i thought you said you wanted a custom netinst |
| 04:26.30 | Azar | freemind, you mean you install a custom Debian for yourself? |
| 04:26.33 | abrotman | with your driver |
| 04:26.46 | freemind | Azar, I'm talking about netboot :) |
| 04:26.54 | abrotman | you mean tftp ? |
| 04:26.58 | Azar | gah.. |
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| 04:28.46 | Azar | fremind, you are about, or you installed Debian? Which Debian? which kernel? how come the kernel did not had the module you need? |
| 04:28.58 | slocate | is there anyway to keep xorg from installing all of those other pkgs? |
| 04:29.00 | slocate | *voodoo, *vesa, etc |
| 04:29.10 | bintut | anyone here uses usplash? or maybe using bootsplash? |
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| 04:29.22 | Defty | slocate: just install the one you want? |
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| 04:30.22 | slocate | Defty: but they just installed on the last dist-upgrade |
| 04:31.01 | Defty | slocate: right, .. well, it's probably because you had some package that now refers to those, or is a new standard package or something .p |
| 04:31.01 | freemind | Azar, I'm about to install debian sarge-amd64 - the netboot image I got has kernel version 2.6.17-2 and is missing the r1000 module for realtek r8168B(pci-e) nic |
| 04:31.12 | Defty | slocate: so i don't know. |
| 04:32.30 | Azar | ouch, the realtek pain: try to find out if 2.6.18 might have the driver then ask dpkg about how to get the 2.6.18 on sarge |
| 04:32.37 | kingsley_ | Why would upgrading from xfree86 to xorg change the videocard's driver from nv to apm? |
| 04:32.42 | abrotman | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.18/amd64/sarge-custom-1115.iso .. 120MB netinst |
| 04:32.50 | kingsley_ | And what is the "apm" driver for? |
| 04:32.53 | abrotman | tftp/netboot is a pain in the ass |
| 04:32.55 | abrotman | !apm |
| 04:32.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apm is Advanced Power Management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
| 04:32.56 | Azar | cuz xorg is just a noob? |
| 04:33.01 | freemind | Azar, I compiled the missing module in a separate folder and asking myself how to put it in the kernel-package with make-kpkg - the only possible parameter is "--added-modules" .. but do I have to specify the target folder too? |
| 04:33.12 | slocate | kingsley_: for the mouse in the console |
| 04:33.20 | abrotman | slocate: no .. that's gpm |
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| 04:33.30 | slocate | oops!! |
| 04:33.46 | Azar | freemind: if you know what you are doing (bless abrotman) you can trick the stable with foreign custom-compiled packages. If not, go the debian way |
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| 04:34.21 | kingsley_ | Is my assumption correct that replacing the "nv" driver in X with "apm" is a bug? |
| 04:34.43 | kitche | isn't apm for power management? |
| 04:34.46 | Azar | freemind: I only once tried to adventure with such things, it never worked for me, and I stick with debian-way of installing / upgrading things |
| 04:34.49 | abrotman | afaik it is |
| 04:35.49 | Azar | freemind: you sure never found a module for your realtek? I know some of the realteks are hard to find.. but substitutes are handy |
| 04:36.13 | freemind | I found some hits on google, which told me to install it manually |
| 04:36.21 | freemind | Its not in the newest 2.6.19 kernel |
| 04:36.44 | freemind | for the running kernel it would work, but I need the module in the kernel-image |
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| 04:39.22 | nekostar | abrotman where do i look for the difference between the ppc architecture and this 'cell' stuff ? |
| 04:39.32 | abrotman | wikipedia ? |
| 04:39.35 | abrotman | or ask #debianppc |
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| 04:39.43 | nekostar | ty |
| 04:39.54 | kitche | nekostar: ppc distros will run onc ell without a problem |
| 04:40.00 | abrotman | i think it's made of PPC processors .. but it works differently because there is more than one |
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| 04:40.46 | kitche | well ppc onthe cell is just one processor the others are not really ppc |
| 04:42.02 | abrotman | the wikipedia article has some decent links |
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| 04:46.06 | freeone3000 | Another day, another e17 module updated into the repository. |
| 04:47.01 | grendal_prime | im trying to do an upgrade from sarge to etch, i keep getting an error about deleting the /usr/x11r6/bin dir...it will not continue to do the upgrand and im seriously afraid that its in a state that is going to..make things difficult. |
| 04:47.18 | abrotman | do you have opera installed ? |
| 04:47.28 | grendal_prime | nope |
| 04:47.40 | grendal_prime | but i think it has something to do with the ati drivers |
| 04:47.50 | abrotman | so uninstall them ? |
| 04:48.38 | grendal_prime | ya i thought about doing that, thing is..i remember that being a rather long processes and i think i had to move some things around..(it was a long time back |
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| 04:49.21 | stylish | hi , anyone know how i can reconfigure bootsplash package i ^%& up the first time |
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| 04:53.29 | Azar | freemind I was googling as well, man this device you got is fairly new I assume? no kernel has a module for it |
| 04:55.35 | freeone3000 | "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 6864730DF095E5E4 | sudo apt-key add -" gives me "No ultimatly trusted keys found". |
| 04:55.42 | freeone3000 | It's a non-standard repository. Any way to override? |
| 04:58.31 | unlink | how do i edit my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file? |
| 04:58.55 | sng | With your text editor of choice. |
| 04:59.07 | sng | (This seems rather obvo.) |
| 04:59.08 | liable | unlink: with an editor |
| 04:59.11 | unlink | its entries are not human-readable |
| 04:59.14 | grendal_prime | ya ok i get an error then this... |
| 04:59.16 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:59.16 | grendal_prime | 3 |
| 04:59.17 | unlink | i don't know what is what |
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| 05:00.06 | grendal_prime | unlink |
| 05:00.08 | freeone3000 | I believe you're confusing user-readable with user-friendly. |
| 05:00.17 | freeone3000 | It's user-readable in the same way that /etc/passwd is user-readable. |
| 05:00.28 | grendal_prime | nano .ssh/known_hosts |
| 05:00.29 | sng | unlink: Waht is it that you *think* you want to do? |
| 05:00.47 | unlink | well, one task might be to remove an entry associated with a particular host |
| 05:00.47 | liable | unlink: you got can just delete the line of the offending host |
| 05:00.49 | grendal_prime | probably needs to remove an entry |
| 05:01.08 | unlink | i can't tell what line is keyed to what host |
| 05:01.15 | unlink | each line looks like garbage |
| 05:01.27 | grendal_prime | what editor you using? |
| 05:01.41 | freeone3000 | Er. It's not garbage. It's encrypted. |
| 05:01.46 | freeone3000 | Hence the 'secure' part of 'ssh'. |
| 05:02.00 | unlink | why would known_hosts need to be encrypted? |
| 05:02.03 | liable | unlink: ssh normally gives you clues as to the host line |
| 05:02.05 | unlink | it's just fingerprints and hostnames |
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| 05:02.07 | grendal_prime | make sure the dynamic workd wrap is off if your using some x app |
| 05:02.29 | unlink | the host string is like |1|rIkq0kfHhNpK+fab+QaNHKMrFPg=|wH78iNxRFLiChDEL3y5WSu3l/ZM= |
| 05:02.46 | peterS | unlink: the only reason the option exists is so that if an attacker gets access to your home directory, they won't have a handy list of machines to try to ssh to as you (in the assumption that you might use the same passwords on those machines) |
| 05:02.55 | unlink | oh |
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| 05:04.12 | unlink | so how do i remove a line associated with a particular host? |
| 05:04.27 | unlink | can i hash the host name somehow myself? |
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| 05:04.33 | liable | look for that string and remove the line |
| 05:04.43 | unlink | look for /what/ string? |
| 05:05.32 | unlink | i don't know what the encrypted (or hashed, whatever the case may be) representation of a host is given the host name |
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| 05:06.43 | castoff | unlink,: the string format is hostname,ip address encryption algoryth key |
| 05:06.59 | castoff | look at the first part of each line |
| 05:07.05 | xiechy | hi everybody! I am using ubuntu feisty, but now I want to change it into debian, whether or not modifying the /etc/apt/sources.list to unstable is the whole thing I need? |
| 05:07.26 | unlink | castoff: where in this line do you see a hostname: h0nR5eVVCCFuQCr7dERKvgnD1wZ2PmyW6Hz044iaWXkgAsgELnoFtINYLvNefRKFqFiwd5/y2snIkTZydA/M/5FR6IftBKht2ec5ZFxI0IUhKO8AXG+KrziE23euJ5u4UdQgQkO1GRD/m8KskGwRLuLVQZ7fUh/286NbV9BwoHm251AllBakvM2UREs3usAJNoZK65aDDDeyN9NlF8bXI2EJaDZGbQxEHZNnwX2RJroecGn63sbRIOfxBP9wAuEPTLyBtXdfTH17Q== |
| 05:08.10 | unlink | er, sorry |
| 05:08.20 | paddy | yeah, right |
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| 05:08.27 | castoff | unlink: i don't buty in my file every line has what i just stated |
| 05:08.34 | unlink | here, http://rafb.net/paste/results/WeBuFm96.html |
| 05:08.43 | unlink | castoff: yes, i'm used to that format as well |
| 05:08.49 | unlink | but on my system it's not like that |
| 05:08.53 | unlink | [ debian sid ] |
| 05:10.27 | yassine | anyone of you guys using sambe and ldap ? |
| 05:10.41 | unlink | actually, yes |
| 05:11.06 | yassine | unlink, i get ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) when i try : ldappasswd -x -h localhost -D "cn=Manager,dc=mydomain,dc=de" -s sambasecretpwd -W cn=samba,ou=DSA,dc=mydomain,dc=de |
| 05:11.15 | yassine | any idea what could be wrong ? |
| 05:11.58 | unlink | are you actually filling in the correct password? |
| 05:12.06 | yassine | 100% |
| 05:12.11 | yassine | :(( |
| 05:12.22 | liable | unlink: you only have the one line? if so, remove it.. the bit you pasted further up was from the ssh client? |
| 05:12.33 | unlink | liable: no, ihave 20 or so |
| 05:13.01 | liable | unlink: paste your clients output please |
| 05:13.07 | unlink | what do you mean? |
| 05:13.27 | liable | where its complaining about the host |
| 05:14.21 | unlink | you mean the it is possible that someone is doing nasty error? |
| 05:15.05 | unlink | i wiped one of my servers and now the host key has changed, and ssh thinks someone is MITMing me |
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| 05:16.00 | unlink | but i have entries in my .ssh/known_hosts file that aren't easy to revalidate (i.e. i have to get in touch with hard-to-reach people) |
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| 05:17.59 | unlink | (also, it would be nice if i could get bash completion working with ssh) |
| 05:18.16 | liable | works for me |
| 05:18.29 | castoff | unlink: can you make a copy then delete 1 line at a time until you find the offending line? |
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| 05:18.50 | grendal_prime | it does not tell you whic ont is offending...it has to.. |
| 05:18.58 | grendal_prime | you need to read that error closer |
| 05:19.15 | liable | it does, he just seems unwilling to listen.. |
| 05:19.54 | grendal_prime | i just got that error tonight working on a box..its such a routing thing i think i do that process in my dreams. |
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| 05:20.19 | unlink | is there a way to make ssh use the other format, the more transparent one? |
| 05:20.41 | unlink | aha |
| 05:20.43 | unlink | HashKnownHosts |
| 05:20.54 | ruser2 | hey guys, has anyone used ntfs-3g driver here, is it any good? did you experience any problems with it? |
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| 05:21.30 | grendal_prime | which line ?? oh lline 10 nano .ssh/known_hosts whammo hit down arrow button 9 times...hold down delete key |
| 05:21.48 | liable | heh |
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| 05:22.35 | grendal_prime | crtlx and x then enter 2 times...up arrow two more times...and you are looking at the ssh login you typed earlyer and enter...it askes if you want to add..enter again..pass and your in |
| 05:23.06 | grendal_prime | thats all from memory and i have a shitty memory |
| 05:23.31 | liable | !beer grendal_prime |
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| 05:23.44 | liable | its good for your brain |
| 05:23.47 | devicenull^ | my ssh session disconnected, but it's still active on the machine |
| 05:23.50 | devicenull^ | can I reconnect to iy? |
| 05:23.52 | devicenull^ | *it? |
| 05:23.54 | castoff | good beer too |
| 05:24.18 | grendal_prime | how do you get aptitude to forget all the items it has selected? |
| 05:24.33 | grendal_prime | devicenull, why whould you think you cant log back in? |
| 05:24.46 | devicenull^ | I have jigdo running in the other session |
| 05:24.46 | grendal_prime | and what makes you think its still active on the other machine? |
| 05:24.50 | devicenull^ | I dont want to have to restart it |
| 05:24.57 | devicenull^ | ps -aux shows the process still running |
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| 05:25.14 | devicenull^ | too late :P |
| 05:25.30 | liable | use screen |
| 05:25.46 | unlink | so the answer to my question was ssh-keygen -F hostname |
| 05:26.01 | unlink | searches for the entry in .ssh/known_hosts |
| 05:26.25 | grendal_prime | ya.... um if yo are ps- aux on the other machine, and its returing you info,..i would think you are still connected man |
| 05:26.34 | unlink | the other answer is echo HastKnownHosts no >>.ssh/config |
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| 05:29.09 | devicenull^ | grendal_prime: nevermind, you didn't understand what I want |
| 05:29.23 | devicenull^ | btw, is there a way to burn a netinst CD to a DVD? |
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| 05:29.55 | freemind | devicenull^, just burn to dvd |
| 05:29.56 | grendal_prime | sounds like a lot of waisted space |
| 05:30.01 | grendal_prime | hehehe.. |
| 05:30.19 | liable | devicenull^: growisofs |
| 05:30.20 | devicenull^ | yea, but I dont have any cd's |
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| 05:30.39 | grendal_prime | thats what i figured |
| 05:30.51 | grendal_prime | you can put that onto a flash rom as well. |
| 05:30.55 | devicenull^ | liable: thx |
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| 05:32.52 | tongueroo | if ive already opened up a file with less, is there a way to toggle line numbers without quitting and restarting less? |
| 05:33.12 | freemind | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel - where to get the file required in step2? |
| 05:33.13 | ice_cream | lo, on linux, wondering best way to transfer multiple files totalling about 5gb to a winblows computer |
| 05:33.23 | ice_cream | same network, i guess |
| 05:33.29 | freemind | ice_cream, FTP should do it :) |
| 05:33.45 | ice_cream | ah, just set up ftp server here? |
| 05:33.53 | freemind | for example |
| 05:34.55 | ice_cream | k, thx, will try it out |
| 05:35.02 | freemind | np |
| 05:35.52 | ruser2 | tongueroo just type -n |
| 05:36.20 | grendal_prime | ice_cream, you could just put it onto the box using the smb protocol |
| 05:36.47 | ice_cream | yea, it seems a lot of work is needed to properly configure an ftp server |
| 05:37.05 | grendal_prime | you got a desktop on the linux box? |
| 05:37.28 | ice_cream | no |
| 05:37.33 | grendal_prime | there is an app called...sb4k i think it is...it makes logging into windows shares very simple.. |
| 05:37.48 | liable | winscp |
| 05:37.50 | grendal_prime | ok well the other thing you an do is smbmount it do a dir on the linux box |
| 05:38.26 | grendal_prime | ya but scp...well lets just say, your encrypting things..and that will slow things down |
| 05:38.45 | liable | its *easy* though :) |
| 05:38.47 | grendal_prime | straight up cifs works pretty damn good really |
| 05:39.17 | grendal_prime | ya and i agree liable...i use sftp to move things all the time... |
| 05:39.29 | grendal_prime | cause its damn easy.. |
| 05:39.57 | grendal_prime | but 5 gigs..its a shitload flat out...even on gigabit |
| 05:40.10 | liable | true |
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| 05:41.12 | ice_cream | yea...he's the one w/ the dvd burner =P |
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| 05:41.29 | ice_cream | nearly five gigs |
| 05:42.16 | grendal_prime | damn it this dist upgrad has gone south i thing |
| 05:42.18 | grendal_prime | think |
| 05:42.36 | grendal_prime | something to do the the ati drivers.. |
| 05:42.38 | grendal_prime | Preparing to replace x11-common 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 (using .../x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-7_i386.deb) ... |
| 05:43.01 | grendal_prime | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_1%3a7.1.0-7_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 05:43.34 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.07 | ice_cream | oh, btw, i think i'm just going to edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 05:44.19 | liable | fglrx fault, check the x11-common docs, it mentioned a while ago the transition from that dir |
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| 05:46.59 | yoshio | grendal_prime: the man page for aptitude says use "keep-all" |
| 05:47.15 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 05:47.24 | grendal_prime | that forgets the selections you have made? |
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| 05:49.52 | tuv | i'd really appreciate a recomendation for an ipod manager based on recent status of candidate tools.. any contributions? |
| 05:50.05 | eps | gtkpod |
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| 05:50.37 | tuv | i know about: gtkpod, amarok, rhythmbox, banshee, floola |
| 05:50.41 | yoshio | grendal_prime: yes |
| 05:50.43 | grendal_prime | amarok |
| 05:50.48 | grendal_prime | on the ipod |
| 05:51.19 | grendal_prime | keep-all is not an option in this aptitude |
| 05:51.58 | yoshio | grendal_prime: I'm using aptitude 0.4.3-1 in Etch |
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| 05:52.40 | grendal_prime | ya this is the stable one |
| 05:52.47 | grendal_prime | sarge |
| 05:53.01 | grendal_prime | i read how to do this some time back and i cant find it again |
| 05:53.45 | liable | grendal_prime: you have sarge and have that x11-common problem? |
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| 05:54.44 | grendal_prime | liable, im right smak dab inthe middle of dist upgrading and have that issue |
| 05:55.01 | tuv | i tried gtkpod and amarok a while ago and just gave up on floola. neither of those was good enough when i tried them. gtkpod was probably the best, but still not good enough. i have no idea how good rhythmox and banshee are |
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| 05:57.15 | buggarage | which module is responsible for bootsplash themes ? |
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| 05:57.50 | buggarage | i mean in kernel configuration there was an option or a modules just can't remember name of it |
| 05:59.05 | liable | bootsplash is a patch |
| 05:59.13 | liable | used to be anyway.. |
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| 05:59.37 | liable | theres the little tux pictures standard, but not splash last time i looked |
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| 06:00.07 | LinuxNIT | how do i get a list of of computers on the network from the master browser on a smb network? smbtree dosent alwasy show them all |
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| 06:01.33 | c00l1 | yes, I installed the xorg backport on my sarge box. now how do I set up X? |
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| 06:02.14 | kingsley | How does one tell kdm to use fvwm? |
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| 06:02.54 | c00l1 | that is, I installed xserver-xorg and xserver-common |
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| 06:03.43 | peterS | LinuxNIT: huh ... trying to remember ... 'smbclient -L yourmasterbrowser' will do it, I think |
| 06:04.13 | peterS | LinuxNIT: to find the domain master browser, try 'nmbclient -M yourworkgroup' |
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| 06:04.25 | liable | c00l1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:04.27 | peterS | LinuxNIT: I mean nmblookup -M yourworkgroup |
| 06:04.52 | liable | c00l1: you should install 'xorg' meta package (or whatever its called, search for xorg) |
| 06:04.58 | c00l1 | liable: will I get an ncurses screen asking for video resolutions and such? |
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| 06:05.06 | liable | c00l1: you should, yes |
| 06:05.07 | LinuxNIT | ok but with smbclient -L masterbrowser it just shows a list of shares/services on that pc |
| 06:05.22 | peterS | LinuxNIT: it should also list workstations, in a separate list |
| 06:05.30 | LinuxNIT | :-/ |
| 06:06.02 | peterS | it should give a list of "Server"s and a list of "Workgroup"s, in fact |
| 06:07.05 | c00l1 | liable:I've got a toshiba notebook with chips 65554 video. should I use chips driver or svga?? |
| 06:07.44 | liable | c00l1: try the one for the specific chip, if it fails, use vga |
| 06:07.50 | LinuxNIT | peterS, nope |
| 06:08.38 | peterS | LinuxNIT: if you know the workgroup name you can just query for that in nmblookup, type 00: nmblookup workgroupname\#00 |
| 06:09.23 | peterS | LinuxNIT: if you want to ask a WINS server the same question you can use nmblookup -R -Ua.b.c.d workgroupname\#00 |
| 06:09.32 | peterS | LinuxNIT: though that's asking the wins server, not the DMB |
| 06:10.17 | LinuxNIT | it still missed one |
| 06:10.20 | LinuxNIT | :-/ |
| 06:10.23 | LinuxNIT | wierd |
| 06:10.26 | peterS | then that one didn't register itself with the wins server |
| 06:10.30 | peterS | no law says you have to (: |
| 06:10.44 | LinuxNIT | hehe |
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| 06:11.12 | liable | hrm, tards at play? |
| 06:11.13 | peterS | seriously, NetBIOS does not require a WINS server, and does not require everyone to _use_ the WINS servers you have. it is supposed to work anyway. though in some situations it won't, of course |
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| 06:11.28 | LinuxNIT | oh wait... i think my dad shutdown his pc :) |
| 06:11.34 | LinuxNIT | sorry |
| 06:11.35 | liable | hah |
| 06:11.38 | peterS | liable: appears so. not much I can do about it, unfortunately |
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| 06:11.51 | LinuxNIT | peterS, thanks i appreciate the tips |
| 06:11.52 | liable | peterS: ya, i know :( |
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| 06:13.12 | liable | peterS: i suspect the tard is in this channel though (due to seeing people who left and the chans they are in) |
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| 06:14.37 | liable | maybe i am full o shit too |
| 06:14.41 | peterS | liable: sure ... but I can't just go and kick off *!*#*.sg or something, now, can I? (: |
| 06:14.45 | c00l1 | liable:OK, I've gone thru the setup. do I now have to reboot to use the command "startx: |
| 06:14.53 | liable | c00l1: nope |
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| 06:15.08 | c00l1 | liable:I tried startx and it said command not found |
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| 06:15.37 | c00l1 | liable: on tty1, even |
| 06:15.50 | liable | c00l1: you need to install (as i said) the meta package that supplies the 'whole' system. |
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| 06:16.06 | liable | c00l1: just xserver-xorg wont give it to you |
| 06:16.15 | hooya | i have three CDs that i just can't seem to rip. tried grip, KAudioCDCreator. any ideas? |
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| 06:16.36 | liable | peterS: unfortunately :) |
| 06:16.39 | c00l1 | liable:sorry, I was on the other console and missed it (no scrolling feature). what is the meta-package |
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| 06:17.04 | liable | c00l1: in debian 'xorg' i dunno about backports (but it should be) |
| 06:17.40 | Palish | noob question: Where can I put a command to be run on startup? |
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| 06:18.19 | c00l1 | Palish: put a script in /etc/init.d with a symbolic link in the run level you want |
| 06:18.45 | Palish | Okay.. I'll try. |
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| 06:19.12 | liable | Palish: start at what? login, when gnome starts or what? |
| 06:19.15 | Palish | so like, mycommnd.sh contains the command, and then "mycommand" is a symbolic link to where it wnts to be run from? |
| 06:19.35 | Palish | as soon as it's connected to the net. |
| 06:19.38 | c00l1 | liable:package not found. what about "x-window-system"? |
| 06:20.03 | peterS | c00l1: x-window-system probably just pulls in XFree86 as it probably doesn't exist on your backport |
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| 06:20.23 | c00l1 | Palish: read the howtos about init. you should be familiar with /etc/Rc.5 |
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| 06:21.01 | Palish | Okay |
| 06:21.05 | c00l1 | peterS: I used the line in apt/sources.list that is posted herer |
| 06:21.06 | liable | Palish: whats this script actually do? |
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| 06:21.40 | Palish | all I want is to have it run "lighttpd /home/palish/zuzop/config/lighttpd.conf" at some point after it's connected to the network, on reboot. |
| 06:23.27 | peterS | Palish: uh ... the lighttpd package doesn't already provide an init script? it certainly should |
| 06:23.33 | liable | Palish: you should be able to do that in a post-up cmd in interfaces |
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| 06:23.42 | peterS | oh, right, lighttpd isn't in stable |
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| 06:24.23 | c00l1 | peterS: is it possible to use xorg in the "alternatives" dpkg system? |
| 06:24.52 | peterS | c00l1: no need, just install both xserver-xfree86 and xserver-xorg on the same machine, they shouldn't conflict |
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| 06:25.08 | peterS | I think this is supported, though I guess I'm not sure |
| 06:25.20 | liable | c00l1: try xorg-x11 |
| 06:25.29 | c00l1 | peterS: when I installed xserver-xorg, it removed all that XFree86 stuff (50 MB worth) |
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| 06:27.07 | c00l1 | peterS: so I should now re-install x-window-system? and then tweak the init scripts? |
| 06:27.37 | peterS | c00l1: dude, you're using unofficial packages from who knows where, and I have no idea which ones you've put on your system or what they have done. I have no idea whether you should re-install x-window-system. |
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| 06:28.16 | c00l1 | liable: couldn't find package xorg-x11 (is it capitalised?) |
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| 06:28.41 | Palish | liable: when you say "in interfaces", what do you mean? |
| 06:29.39 | liable | c00l1: my bad, for some reason theres the source stuff there, but no debs for that package |
| 06:29.44 | liable | Palish: man interfaces |
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| 06:30.34 | c00l1 | liable: how about x11-common? |
| 06:31.21 | liable | c00l1: try it, see what it pulls in. i cant find a meta package on the site |
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| 06:31.25 | liable | c00l1: startx is in xbase-clients |
| 06:31.53 | liable | c00l1: oh, xwindow-system-core is there, install that.. |
| 06:32.38 | c00l1 | peterS: this was an outta box sarge netboot installation. then I simply intalled x-window-system but rather than fool with the bloody vertical and horizontal resolutions, tried the xorg backport |
| 06:32.55 | c00l1 | liable: thanks, I'll give it a whirl |
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| 06:34.25 | liable | c00l1: err, i missed a - , x-window-system-core |
| 06:34.53 | yoshio | grendal_prime: if you're desparate, you can edit the file /var/lib/dpkg/status to reset what the system knows are pending install/removals. I think I was able to sort by what packages were pending in dselect, and then type "R" to revert back to what the previous state was |
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| 06:35.37 | c00l1 | liable:couldn't find package xwindow-system-core. x11-common is already the newest version |
| 06:35.38 | liable | heh, looks like the irc cops got the tard :) |
| 06:35.48 | liable | c00l1: see my previous |
| 06:36.45 | Palish | liable: hmm..the problem with that method is tht, if lighttpd fails to come up for whatever reason, then the eth0 will also fail to come up |
| 06:36.47 | c00l1 | liable: it found it and is installing 43MB worth of fonts, etc. thanks |
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| 06:37.32 | liable | Palish: see the || comment (i havent used it, so I cant give any advice from experience) |
| 06:37.37 | liable | c00l1: nice |
| 06:37.42 | c00l1 | liable: should I also install xfs? I've decided against xdm |
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| 06:38.35 | liable | c00l1: whatever you want, try what you like |
| 06:38.43 | Palish | liable: sorry, I don't know what "the || comment" means |
| 06:38.45 | loca|host | need to install a debian based embedded system on 10 Megabytes hard disk, what do you suggest me to do ? |
| 06:39.02 | liable | Palish: first line of the IFACE OPTIONS section |
| 06:39.14 | Palish | aha |
| 06:39.15 | Palish | :D |
| 06:39.16 | Palish | thanks |
| 06:40.26 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 06:40.40 | liable | loca|host: google :P depends on the system and if anyone is working on it |
| 06:41.16 | c00l1 | loca|host: a friend of mine installed a linux server on a floppy disk with no harddrive atall on a 486, but I dont know what an embedded system is |
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| 06:49.06 | Palish | hmm.. Ok, so I added "post-up lighttpd -f /home/palish/zuzop/config/lighttpd.conf || true" to the /etc/network/interfaces file.. And now, it's definitely running (I just rebooted), but it's not listed in the processes list |
| 06:49.08 | Palish | doing "ps ax" doesn't list it |
| 06:49.29 | Palish | actually..no |
| 06:49.31 | Palish | that's weird. |
| 06:49.37 | Palish | It's not running, but it can't bind to port 80 |
| 06:49.41 | Palish | that's new.. |
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| 06:52.27 | ashridah | hey all. while dist-upgrading, dpkg hangs while gstreamer0.8-cdparanoia is upgrade. |
| 06:52.30 | ashridah | upgrading even |
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| 06:54.30 | Guerin | ashridah: purge it, then try again |
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| 06:56.03 | liable | Palish: make your script set -x, see if ifup shows the output |
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| 06:57.01 | Palish | yay, works |
| 06:57.01 | Palish | :) |
| 06:57.02 | ashridah | yeah, that hangs too |
| 06:57.06 | geo-rge | I did a questionable thing... I dist-upgraded a sarge to sarge+bpo... so I ask you... what exactly do I have now? |
| 06:57.31 | liable | geo-rge: mungral :) |
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| 06:57.47 | Guerin | ashridah: dpkg doesn't hang, it dies with error messages. |
| 06:58.06 | Guerin | ashridah: if it justb hangs permanently with no output, it's likely you have bigger problems |
| 06:58.08 | ashridah | Guerin: okay, the postinst/postrm/preinst/prerm scripts for gstreamer's packages are hanging |
| 06:58.17 | ashridah | but i can't ctrl-C debian while it's doign it |
| 06:58.18 | Guerin | ashridah: all of them? |
| 06:58.28 | ashridah | well, this one so far. |
| 06:58.31 | geo-rge | ashridah: by "hang" you mean exactly what? |
| 06:58.35 | ashridah | no, wait, all of them |
| 06:58.35 | Guerin | ashridah: WHICH one hangs? |
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| 06:58.47 | Guerin | well, no |
| 06:59.13 | ashridah | and has hung in the same way |
| 06:59.13 | Guerin | because if all of them hang, you'd only SEE the first one hang. |
| 06:59.13 | liable | so its not broken, you have a *slow* bosen :P |
| 06:59.13 | geo-rge | "hang" generally means when a program never ends |
| 06:59.19 | liable | boxen even |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | ashridah: output of aptitude purge gstreamer-whatever, on paster |
| 06:59.34 | ashridah | geo-rge: that's right, and that's what it's doing. no cpu, no disk activity, no way to kill it. hung |
| 06:59.48 | geo-rge | no way to kill it? |
| 06:59.59 | liable | make em -x |
| 07:00.04 | geo-rge | can you see its process? |
| 07:00.10 | ashridah | geo-rge: yes. |
| 07:01.09 | geo-rge | ok, is it possbile that by "no cpu" you mean very little, and things are happening but slowly? |
| 07:01.21 | ashridah | no, i mean they've been asleep for a long long time now |
| 07:01.49 | geo-rge | asleep? ps shows them that way? that's... unusual :) |
| 07:01.50 | Guerin | ashridah: they don't die with kill? |
| 07:01.56 | Guerin | see |
| 07:02.03 | ashridah | Guerin: i'm working on finding that out. |
| 07:02.04 | Guerin | we need actual meaningfull error data |
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| 07:02.12 | Guerin | paste a line from ps ax |
| 07:02.15 | geo-rge | it might be more useful to see what all is running |
| 07:02.23 | ashridah | okay, the process that's actually being run is gst-compprep-0.8 |
| 07:02.31 | ashridah | it's in state D |
| 07:02.40 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:02.46 | Guerin | !zombie |
| 07:02.47 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 07:02.49 | ashridah | and can't be killed |
| 07:03.02 | Guerin | this means 'gstreamer is mnore fucked than anyone believed' |
| 07:03.09 | geo-rge | btw, any thoughts on my situation? might I as well just go for the gusto and start running etch? |
| 07:03.24 | mastroquet | hi all, I have a "find" (owner : "nobody") running when my Etch starts (at least when I open a session, whatever the WM) |
| 07:03.32 | Guerin | ashridah: look in the pre and postrm scripts, see what calls that program |
| 07:03.36 | mastroquet | I don't have cron nor atd at startup |
| 07:03.42 | mastroquet | So : what is it, and how can I configure this ? |
| 07:03.47 | geo-rge | mastroquet: and why not? |
| 07:03.53 | Guerin | ashridah: you might also just delete the prerm script and try deleting it then |
| 07:04.24 | geo-rge | mastroquet: if you don't have cron or atd running, it's possible your system isn't running properly |
| 07:04.26 | Guerin | geo-rge: if you have to ask, you should stick with what you have |
| 07:04.30 | ashridah | basically running a variant of GST_REGISTRY=/var/lib/gstreamer/0.8/registry.xml gst-compprep-0.8 > /dev/null || true |
| 07:04.38 | liable | mastroquet: nobody is usually some system process. whats it doing? |
| 07:04.40 | geo-rge | Guerin: fine. what do I have? :) |
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| 07:05.09 | geo-rge | (also please don't assume my intelligence with my question) |
| 07:05.12 | mastroquet | geo-rge : you think I should have cron at startup, even though I don't use it ? |
| 07:05.19 | Guerin | geo-rge: you have sarge+backports |
| 07:05.26 | Guerin | mastroquet: YOU might not use it, but debian does |
| 07:05.28 | liable | mastroquet: dont use cron?? |
| 07:05.43 | Guerin | ashridah: i recommend ignoring gstreamerentirely until about 2009 |
| 07:05.52 | Guerin | by then it might be halfway usable |
| 07:06.05 | ashridah | Guerin: yes, but the problem is, some packages i'm using depends on the sodding thing |
| 07:06.06 | geo-rge | mastroquet: what Guerin said. debian does use it to schedule things |
| 07:06.11 | Guerin | ashridah: use others. |
| 07:06.36 | liable | thats not usefull |
| 07:06.39 | Guerin | this is the problem with gnometardware - it suffocates under the weight of a thousand dependencies |
| 07:07.25 | karsten | mastroquet: ... it's possible you are using another scheduler (eg: anachron) rather than chron itself, particularly for a laptop or other non-24/7 system. |
| 07:07.38 | geo-rge | Guerin: anything starting with "if you have to ask" tends to assume a lower level of intelligence... you don't think that's assuming too much? |
| 07:08.05 | Guerin | geo-rge: nothing to do with intelligence, it's about unfamiliarity with debian |
| 07:08.42 | geo-rge | but if we ignore that, I'm still wondering if I should just go to etch, whether it's safe to do so, and if not, what can I do to prepare (example of that, should I think about going to xorg) |
| 07:09.06 | Guerin | geo-rge: my point is: it's never safe to presume that it is. |
| 07:09.10 | liable | geo-rge: is there actually a problem with your bpo sarge? |
| 07:09.35 | Guerin | geo-rge: once etch stabilises it should be pretty smooth to make the transition, but right now all bets are off. |
| 07:09.39 | Guerin | it *might* work |
| 07:09.39 | geo-rge | so far, no... not that I see (having said that, I haven't rebooted) |
| 07:09.58 | liable | so whats the problem? |
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| 07:10.00 | mastroquet | liable, Guerin and karsten : thank you - It's not a laptop, and yes, it is a non-24/7 system - |
| 07:10.07 | geo-rge | well... long story. |
| 07:10.08 | geo-rge | I' |
| 07:10.34 | geo-rge | m actually trying to build a driver for my ati 9600 vid card |
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| 07:11.06 | geo-rge | and it's frustrating at the moment because it's seeming like all paths lead to failure |
| 07:11.45 | liable | ati will do that to you :) |
| 07:11.57 | geo-rge | are you sure it's ati? |
| 07:12.10 | peterS | geo-rge: just make sure your next machine uses an Intel graphics chip. they support Linux properly and these headaches tend not to happen |
| 07:12.10 | liable | having said that, mine have always worked ok with a bit of fucking around |
| 07:12.17 | geo-rge | well ok, I havn't exactly described the total situation |
| 07:13.06 | mastroquet | So "for the health" of my etch, what should I enable at startup : anacron, atd, cron ? |
| 07:13.07 | peterS | it's unfortunate that we can't buy Intel graphics cards in PCI or AGP cards, you have to get a whole laptop or motherboard |
| 07:13.09 | liable | not that i have high demands of my graphics cards |
| 07:13.12 | geo-rge | peterS: how far along are the intel chipsets? might they run things like: doom3? quake4? blacknwhite2? |
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| 07:13.32 | fantazia_ | hey geo-rge |
| 07:13.35 | peterS | geo-rge: I don't know what games they support. they're not competitive with latest nvidia. but they certainly have 3D acceleration |
| 07:13.37 | liable | mastroquet: its already done for you |
| 07:13.39 | geo-rge | hey :) |
| 07:14.09 | Guerin | peterS: which chipsets have 3d in free software? |
| 07:14.10 | geo-rge | that might be ok |
| 07:14.15 | fantazia_ | can you please tell which package they mean in step2 -> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
| 07:14.31 | geo-rge | maybe |
| 07:14.35 | peterS | Guerin: Intel is pretty much the only game in town, I believe. there is some old open source 3D support for various random chips that don't matter much anymore, like voodoo5 |
| 07:14.40 | fantazia_ | I've build the kernel package, now I'm confused about that -di- package |
| 07:14.41 | liable | Guerin: my old ati |
| 07:14.41 | mastroquet | liable : sure ? Even if I disabled them by rcconf ? |
| 07:14.52 | peterS | and, yeah, older radeons |
| 07:14.57 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, whcih intel chipsets, though |
| 07:14.59 | liable | mastroquet: why did you do that? |
| 07:15.09 | peterS | Guerin: I think all of them - up through i965 or so |
| 07:15.15 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 07:15.19 | geo-rge | fantazia_: the next step is to read the kernel package you just created and split it into many udebs |
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| 07:15.44 | Guerin | !udeb |
| 07:15.44 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 07:15.48 | Guerin | fantazia_: â |
| 07:15.50 | mastroquet | probably because I'm ignorant i guess :-) but I just removed the services i thought i would'nt use |
| 07:15.56 | fantazia_ | thank you mates :) |
| 07:15.58 | liable | mastroquet: why are you messing with system tools that you dont seem to understand? |
| 07:16.16 | liable | mastroquet: fair enough, re-enable em, and hit google |
| 07:16.16 | geo-rge | Hess once gave me a debian cd |
| 07:16.22 | mastroquet | liable : good point, I agree |
| 07:16.26 | peterS | Guerin: intellinuxgraphics.org tells all. it doesn't tell which chips are directly supported in etch, but that site is all about true free software |
| 07:16.34 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 07:16.38 | ashridah | rofl. okay. i just rmoved all of the gstreamer packages. all of them. and no other app claimed to be dependent on them. |
| 07:16.41 | ashridah | good riddance ;) |
| 07:16.53 | liable | eek |
| 07:17.05 | fantazia_ | is there any howto for building these udebs from a kernel-image? |
| 07:17.06 | geo-rge | hey! bizybuzzmark! |
| 07:17.11 | liable | thats gotta be the most annoying away evar! |
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| 07:17.21 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 07:17.23 | geo-rge | fantazia_: it's one command |
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| 07:17.47 | peterS | fantazia_: I think it involves the kernel-wedge package from the debian-installer project |
| 07:18.00 | fantazia_ | so just "kernel-wedge"? |
| 07:18.16 | fantazia_ | i see |
| 07:18.25 | fantazia_ | kernel-wedge gen-deps |
| 07:18.32 | peterS | that's the package name. I don't know exactly how to use it but it's probably relatively easy |
| 07:18.33 | fantazia_ | :-) |
| 07:18.50 | geo-rge | yeah, I seem to remember the wedge thing either builds the udebs or makes a command you can use to do it |
| 07:19.03 | peterS | so named because a 'wedge' is something you use to split logs |
| 07:19.05 | ashridah | later |
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| 07:19.16 | geo-rge | wheresthelogs?? |
| 07:19.29 | liable | !log |
| 07:19.37 | geo-rge | !fog |
| 07:19.57 | geo-rge | !bog the foggy log |
| 07:20.01 | liable | hrm, where did that silly one go.. |
| 07:20.06 | geo-rge | that bot is useless... |
| 07:20.09 | geo-rge | :) |
| 07:20.19 | peterS | this is why we have 4 copies of her |
| 07:20.26 | liable | @hi |
| 07:20.35 | peterS | though only 3 are online right now |
| 07:20.39 | liable | peterS: but they sync DB |
| 07:20.41 | geo-rge | @ho |
| 07:20.42 | peterS | yes |
| 07:20.50 | Guerin | Piggy: save us! |
| 07:21.02 | liable | ~log |
| 07:21.17 | apt | it has been said that log is as piece of wood, or a record |
| 07:21.17 | peterS | Guerin: do you mean sussudio's other bot, badgers? piggy just logs debstats |
| 07:21.23 | liable | bah |
| 07:21.46 | Guerin | yeah, badgers isn't here either |
| 07:21.52 | Guerin | thought they might have merged or such |
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| 07:23.16 | jasta | I am having a problem with my recent install of Debian etch RC1. I believe the problem is that font hinting is not actually being respected/enabled. |
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| 07:23.36 | jasta | my ~/.fonts.conf file specifies full hinting, although fonts still seem overly aliased. especially bold fonts. |
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| 07:24.02 | jasta | i had this problem with an older install of debian etch, but i cannot recall how i fixed it (i know, i'm fired) |
| 07:24.09 | kingsley | Does dpkg have an option like "-L", but which also lists a package's configuration files? |
| 07:24.21 | liable | yes, try it |
| 07:24.24 | Guerin | kingsley: nttbomk. |
| 07:24.37 | BriareosH | I have a linux related question, but everyone's sleeping on ##linux. Is it okay ? |
| 07:24.39 | Guerin | liable: only lists files IN the package, not those created by the package's scripts |
| 07:24.47 | Guerin | BriareosH: no. |
| 07:24.54 | BriareosH | :( |
| 07:25.01 | liable | Guerin: oh, well, blow me down |
| 07:25.12 | jasta | anyone have any thoughts on my fonts issue? |
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| 07:25.53 | Guerin | jasta: i haven't seen font problems with debian since years |
| 07:26.03 | jasta | Guerin: Hmm. |
| 07:26.06 | Guerin | jasta: so this must be a momentary glitch |
| 07:26.23 | jasta | The problem is really noticable with bold fonts. They are much thicker than they should be. |
| 07:26.32 | jasta | Perhaps i can try a different font... |
| 07:26.44 | BriareosH | well the guidelines don't say that. And I use debian, so here's my question : do you know of a way to add devfs back to 2.6.18 ? |
| 07:27.02 | Guerin | BriareosH: ask lkml |
| 07:27.07 | liable | BriareosH: devfs has been dropped from the kernel |
| 07:27.13 | BriareosH | yeah I know :( |
| 07:27.23 | liable | BriareosH: use the old fashoined dev |
| 07:27.34 | Guerin | BriareosH: i'd just regress to an older version rather than trying to fit a round block into a blob-shaped hole |
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| 07:27.49 | BriareosH | okay |
| 07:28.02 | liable | BriareosH: hate dev? |
| 07:28.05 | liable | udev.. |
| 07:28.07 | BriareosH | no |
| 07:28.25 | BriareosH | I'm trying to install fusd, to then install oss2jack |
| 07:28.38 | BriareosH | but fusd has devfs dependencies |
| 07:28.43 | Guerin | oh dear |
| 07:28.51 | liable | wtf? |
| 07:28.54 | geo-rge | BriareosH: why not try alsa? |
| 07:29.09 | BriareosH | I already use alsa, but I set up my whole system to use jack |
| 07:29.26 | liable | BriareosH: do you have sarge with a new kernel or something? |
| 07:29.28 | BriareosH | however I'd like to bring oss applications to use jack too |
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| 07:29.50 | BriareosH | liable, it's a sid with custom 2.6.18 |
| 07:29.54 | geo-rge | BriareosH: so why not connect alsa directly to jack? |
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| 07:30.11 | Guerin | oss apps can use alsa transparently |
| 07:30.42 | BriareosH | alsa is still what does the hardware work |
| 07:30.45 | liable | build deps.. |
| 07:30.48 | BriareosH | jack is just before |
| 07:30.59 | BriareosH | it does the mixing, and much more |
| 07:31.02 | geo-rge | BriareosH: right, that was gonna be my point :) |
| 07:31.15 | Zaire | I was kinda wondering if anyone in here knows how I could write a shell script to launch apt-get's dist-upgrade command? |
| 07:31.32 | Zaire | I mean you know like just by using dist-upgrade |
| 07:31.33 | BriareosH | (it's awesome by the way ;) ) |
| 07:31.35 | liable | auto-apt, apt-cron? |
| 07:31.36 | Guerin | Zaire: you don't want to automate that |
| 07:31.49 | Zaire | not automating it just shortening it |
| 07:31.59 | Guerin | Zaire: ? |
| 07:32.18 | Zaire | so rather then using sudo apt-get dist-upgrade just use sudo dist-upgrade |
| 07:32.19 | liable | haha, how much do you hate typing? are you gonna call the script 'a' ?? |
| 07:32.24 | geo-rge | BriareosH: oh, and if you're running jack, you might check out ssm |
| 07:32.29 | Guerin | like alias agu='apt-get update && apt-get -y dist-upgrade' ? |
| 07:32.41 | Guerin | Zaire: yeah, use alias |
| 07:33.07 | Guerin | liable: i have e='emacs-snapshot -nw' |
| 07:33.17 | liable | even the busiest admin doesnt need an alias for that! |
| 07:33.21 | Zaire | this is the first time Ive even attempted creating a shell script lol |
| 07:33.23 | Guerin | only because emacs-snapshot is a pita |
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| 07:33.34 | Guerin | Zaire: you don't even need a shell scriptnfor it ;) |
| 07:33.42 | liable | Guerin: emacs, ok, but how often do you upgrade? 20 times a day? |
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| 07:33.49 | Guerin | liable: right |
| 07:34.04 | Zaire | I know I just want to see how it works to make things just a little simpler lol |
| 07:34.13 | BriareosH | geo-rge, Spiralsynth ? Yeah I love it :) |
| 07:34.16 | peterS | Zaire: uh, why the nick? your IP address seems to be in .ca, not .cd |
| 07:34.32 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:34.35 | Zaire | dunno just a random one I picked lol |
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| 07:35.25 | peterS | ha |
| 07:35.46 | sid | Is there any non-free firmware or binary blobs anywhere in Debian sarge net installer? |
| 07:35.53 | liable | nope |
| 07:35.57 | sid | or the full installer(all the discs) |
| 07:35.57 | Guerin | sid: i don't believe so |
| 07:36.01 | sid | hmm |
| 07:36.19 | liable | speaking of that, are they gonna be in the etch inst? |
| 07:36.22 | Guerin | sid: you'd be better asking this question of #debian-user or such |
| 07:36.36 | Zaire | is there updated support for newer hardware yet....I went to install debian and it didn't recognize half my hardware lol |
| 07:36.40 | Guerin | sid: err, debian-user mailing list |
| 07:36.41 | liable | firmware, i read the vote thing, but was unsure of the outcome |
| 07:36.43 | Guerin | not irc channel |
| 07:36.47 | sid | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/84 |
| 07:37.09 | sid | "Even Debian goes some way along that road with its inclusion of firmware and other non-free bits, suspending belief in the DFSG in this particular case." is he talking about the non-free section?(that is not enabled by default) |
| 07:37.20 | liable | sid: there was a vote on the irmware thing not long ago |
| 07:37.22 | peterS | sid: please tell us why a URL is relevant to this channel before posting it. posting random URLs and expecting people to follow them without any explanation is just rude |
| 07:37.36 | Guerin | sid: i'd take a debian position in this over shuttleworth's |
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| 07:37.59 | sid | his sentence is confusing, he makes it seem like debian has non-freeness in it by default |
| 07:38.01 | peterS | sid: ah, sorry, I see you did explain why you posted the URL - I just wasn't patient enough to wait for it |
| 07:38.08 | Guerin | sid: a debian position would be authoritative with regard to the question you asked, while this is pure speculation without reference to version, timeframe or details of any sort |
| 07:38.18 | FuriousRage | doesnt debian sarge have any bouncer's in the apt? |
| 07:38.45 | liable | ircd? |
| 07:38.47 | sid | yea, I know what Debian's position is. there is an optional non-default non-free section. not sure why I second guessed. his sentence was a little misleading when I read it. just wanted confirmation. thanks all |
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| 07:39.46 | Guerin | sid: to get a real answer, you still have to ask the debian leadership, particularly the dev and kernel geeks |
| 07:39.53 | liable | peterS: you may know, what was the exact meaning of the vote to include firmware (seeing as they wanted to resolve it before etch release) i believed it may be included in the inst? |
| 07:39.55 | sid | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 07:40.26 | Zaire | just out of curiosity why is it that debian isn't using the newer kernel like ubuntu? |
| 07:40.41 | peterS | Zaire: "the newer kernel"? which one? |
| 07:40.43 | Guerin | Zaire: because debian's and ubuntu's priorities are radically different |
| 07:41.01 | H3g3m0n | Zaire: Mines using 2.6.17 and so is my Debian |
| 07:41.04 | eeyore- | don't you guys have something else to talk about other than DFSG and "free" this and "non-free" that? |
| 07:41.15 | peterS | eeyore-: most of us do, but people keep bringing it up |
| 07:41.15 | Guerin | eeyore-: let's talk about beer |
| 07:41.18 | eeyore- | (and ubuntu bashing) |
| 07:41.23 | janrocks | beer!! |
| 07:41.26 | eeyore- | yeah, i second :-) |
| 07:41.28 | Zaire | my ubuntu is using 2.6.15-27 |
| 07:41.28 | Guerin | eeyore-: who was bashing ubuntu? |
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| 07:41.39 | Guerin | Zaire: that's less than 2.6.18 |
| 07:41.41 | H3g3m0n | Zaire: Edgy? or Dapper? |
| 07:41.47 | Zaire | Dapper |
| 07:41.50 | peterS | I rather doubt debian etch will get kernel 2.6.19, but I also bet it'll be one of the first things backported |
| 07:42.36 | LoneWlf | got questions on a GGE909 joystick, or joysticks in general, anyone have a good howto? |
| 07:42.38 | H3g3m0n | Zaire: Dapper uses older stuff since it was released awhile ago, they don't upgrade it just release security fixes |
| 07:42.44 | peterS | all that hot pata lovin, the luscious avr32 architecture, etc. |
| 07:42.51 | liable | seeing as no one answers.. i'll answer my own question.. http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 |
| 07:42.51 | Zaire | so Ive noticed lol |
| 07:43.08 | LoneWlf | my system is seeing it when I plug it in, but I am at a loss as to where to get the devices detected.. what drivers I need, etc... |
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| 07:43.47 | Zaire | Im trying to figure out which linux distro is the best for server usage |
| 07:44.15 | Guerin | Zaire: well, debian is more suited to it than ubuntu, that's for damn sure |
| 07:44.58 | liable | if someone could actually decipher the meaning of that vote, it would be great.. |
| 07:45.10 | LoneWlf | H3g3m0n : ok, what program did you use to configure it? |
| 07:45.11 | eeyore- | Zaire: gentoo |
| 07:45.17 | Guerin | eeyore-: give over. |
| 07:45.26 | eeyore- | nevar! |
| 07:45.38 | Guerin | eeyore-: gentoo's build scripts are great if you like handholding |
| 07:45.39 | H3g3m0n | Ive run FreeBSD,Slackware,Gentoo on my server, currently up to Debian, prefer it to Slackware and Gentoo |
| 07:45.40 | Guerin | and python |
| 07:45.44 | Zaire | Ive heard gentoo is hard to even get working lol |
| 07:45.58 | liable | if you cant read, yeah |
| 07:45.59 | fantazia_ | geo-rge, I'd unpacked the kernel-image, but there is no "kernel-versions" in the root treelike the howto says - any ideas? |
| 07:46.03 | H3g3m0n | LoneWlf: Nothing, it just worked |
| 07:46.22 | peterS | so, uh ... can we get back to talking about Debian? thanks. |
| 07:46.46 | liable | it is sunday after all. :P |
| 07:46.49 | Zaire | I tried to figure out how to even get a dvd image of freebsd didn't either |
| 07:46.51 | H3g3m0n | Zaire: I realy don't recommend Gentoo for a server, its horrible to update and very unstable |
| 07:47.05 | H3g3m0n | Zaire: It is a great distro to tinker around with though |
| 07:47.14 | peterS | yes, liable, thanks for the reminder. even so. |
| 07:47.34 | peterS | H3g3m0n: yeah so, we're talking about Debian now |
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| 07:47.59 | peterS | Comparitive Religions^WDistributions is why they have a ##linux on this network |
| 07:48.08 | Guerin | peterS: OMG SIF N00B |
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| 07:48.30 | Zaire | whatever I just go where I can get information |
| 07:48.48 | eeyore- | Zaire: yggdrasil man, yggdrasil all the way |
| 07:48.59 | peterS | this is a nice channel for information about Debian. not so good for information about random non-Debian software. |
| 07:49.19 | Zaire | looks good for both |
| 07:49.26 | H3g3m0n | Its fairly relevant to Debian, im comparing Debian with other distros |
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| 07:49.53 | Guerin | H3g3m0n: that pretty routinely gets ruled offtopic ;) |
| 07:50.02 | liable | so, does the etch inst, have (for example) ipw2200 firmware?? |
| 07:50.05 | peterS | H3g3m0n: not anymore. that's what you were doing until now. now you are talking about Debian. |
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| 07:50.56 | Zaire | ok then so how does debian compare to freebsd in the manor of getting a dvd image |
| 07:51.05 | liable | tell me U fuXorZ!?! |
| 07:51.32 | peterS | Zaire: how should we know anything about freebsd dvd images? for Debian images, you can download them from cdimage.debian.org or buy them from any number of vendors. |
| 07:51.55 | H3g3m0n | Zaire: I never bothered with dvdimages for Debian, much easier to just net install |
| 07:52.27 | peterS | that's the other thing, very few people actually need the full OS installation CDs (or DVDs), either the netinst or just the first one or two CDs is usually plenty |
| 07:52.53 | peterS | since packages are ordered by popularity, so only the unpopular packages are on the later CDs |
| 07:53.16 | Zaire | so gnome would be on the last cd? lol |
| 07:53.27 | peterS | you mistake 'unpopular' for 'Zaire does not like it' |
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| 07:53.38 | peterS | gnome is, in fact, very popular |
| 07:53.53 | peterS | you'd be amazed how many packages are less popular than gnome. in fact, I bet you've never heard of a lot of them. |
| 07:54.07 | H3g3m0n | Zaire: There's also a DebianGNU/kFreeBSD, although i would be more inclined to use one or the other |
| 07:54.18 | peterS | H3g3m0n: however, you can't get a DVD image for that, since it isn't released |
| 07:54.48 | Zaire | Im more a KDE person myself but to each their own |
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| 07:55.11 | H3g3m0n | I like e16, although i'm using Gnome now |
| 07:55.27 | Zaire | cli is good yeps |
| 07:55.40 | geo-rge | I like x.. but that's because I can get more shell winders on the screen |
| 07:55.42 | liable | Zaire: gnome and kde are on iso1 |
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| 07:56.06 | Zaire | wouldn't surprise me I was just making a funny lol |
| 07:56.07 | liable | geo-rge: screen |
| 07:56.31 | geo-rge | there must have been part of "on the screen at the same time" you missed :) |
| 07:56.38 | peterS | the problem with screen is that you can only split it vertically. this is for sound technical reasons but it'd still be nice to be able to split screen horizontally |
| 07:56.39 | geo-rge | yes I know about splitvt |
| 07:57.02 | peterS | geo-rge: you don't split your screen sessions? try it sometime, ^a S |
| 07:57.27 | geo-rge | I don't have any screen sessions atm... but I might in the near future |
| 07:57.27 | liable | geo-rge: i'd like to see how big your terms are when you have 5 on the screen |
| 07:57.49 | geo-rge | I think I can fit about 4-6 |
| 07:57.51 | Guerin | i like x because it lets me run a web browser which isn't utter shit |
| 07:57.56 | FuriousRage | what chmod ### do i need to set so only root can read/write a file that has another group/user owner then root? |
| 07:57.57 | peterS | of course if you're sitting at some resolution like 80x25, splitting it doesn't make a whole lot of sense - who wants a 12-line teminal? but if you've got 144x72 like I do, you can spare some of those lines |
| 07:58.11 | H3g3m0n | peterS: There was a patch out for horizontal screen splitting |
| 07:58.13 | linopil | sound problem anyone ? |
| 07:58.13 | geo-rge | peterS: nod |
| 07:58.22 | geo-rge | I have a sound problem! |
| 07:58.26 | liable | linopil: nope, mines fine thanks :) |
| 07:58.37 | linopil | sudo cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 07:58.37 | linopil | (09:40:54) linopil: 0 [S16 ]: SB16 - Sound Blaster 16 |
| 07:58.37 | linopil | (09:40:54) linopil: Sound Blaster 16 at 0x220, irq 5, dma 1&3 |
| 07:58.41 | Guerin | FuriousRage: 000 |
| 07:58.47 | peterS | H3g3m0n: oh, possible. that would be nice. the reason not to do so is that moving lines and characters around on VT100-derived interfaces is very much line-oriented, so it would be a lot less efficient |
| 07:58.53 | FuriousRage | Guerin: thanks |
| 07:59.03 | linopil | liable misunderstood pls ignore |
| 07:59.05 | geo-rge | linopil: /topic should list some pastebins, yes? |
| 07:59.13 | peterS | H3g3m0n: for example, screen would not be able to use 'clear to end of line' type sequences if you had multiple terminals side by side |
| 07:59.26 | linopil | ok geo-rge |
| 07:59.52 | H3g3m0n | peterS: http://fungi.yuggoth.org/vsp4s/ |
| 07:59.55 | geo-rge | isn't there a pound.debian.net |
| 07:59.58 | liable | linopil: gives us some symptoms/errors and we may be able to help :) |
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| 08:01.06 | peterS | H3g3m0n: supposed to hit screen Real Soon Now - sounds good to me |
| 08:01.42 | linopil | on kmix no device |
| 08:01.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:01.45 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:02.01 | linopil | trying alsa |
| 08:02.16 | peterS | tarzeau: would you stop saying "!popcon" please? |
| 08:02.21 | liable | linopil: you have alsa? |
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| 08:03.07 | liable | peterS: getting grumpy? :) |
| 08:03.16 | linopil | sudo modprobe snd-sb16 |
| 08:03.36 | geo-rge | you might need port and irq for that |
| 08:03.37 | peterS | liable: according to my logs, he said "!popcon" 71 times since the beginning of November |
| 08:03.51 | peterS | liable: I start to wonder why his memory is so bad that he needs a refresher on the details of popcon that many times |
| 08:03.53 | liable | hah! doesnt surprise me |
| 08:04.14 | geo-rge | he wants to popularize popcon |
| 08:04.24 | geo-rge | (that's what he said to me) |
| 08:04.24 | liable | peterS: we all know hes a bit, erm, challenged :) |
| 08:04.37 | geo-rge | he has no erms??! |
| 08:04.39 | peterS | liable: he started saying it in August and has said it 290 times since then. enough is enough. |
| 08:05.05 | liable | peterS: he started it way before that iirc |
| 08:05.36 | peterS | liable: oh, right, he just happened to skip July of this year. so the total for 2006 is 656 times. sheesh. |
| 08:05.45 | liable | lol |
| 08:05.49 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.50 | peterS | / \ |
| 08:06.01 | linopil | sudo cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 08:06.24 | Guerin | sudo? |
| 08:06.27 | peterS | no need for sudo there |
| 08:06.30 | Guerin | it's fucking /proc! |
| 08:06.32 | geo-rge | that dude has a plate and two forks on his head!@ |
| 08:06.43 | Guerin | linopil: try and get out of ubuntard mode for as moment |
| 08:07.27 | peterS | liable: 754 popcons if you count 2005 as well. mercifully his habit doesn't go back any earlier |
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| 08:07.55 | geo-rge | maybe the package didn't exist before then (oops, yes it did) |
| 08:07.57 | Guerin | peterS: you counted. |
| 08:08.05 | peterS | Guerin: well, not by hand, that is what grep -c is for |
| 08:08.07 | liable | peterS: but, has he made a positive contribution! |
| 08:08.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:08.12 | linopil | get out of ubuntard mode ? OK , how ? |
| 08:08.21 | liable | install debian? |
| 08:08.47 | Guerin | linopil: stop presuming sudo is the only thing which makes stuff work |
| 08:08.53 | geo-rge | liable: or, more to the point, has !popcon made a contribution to the community |
| 08:08.59 | liable | it *is* in ubuntu |
| 08:09.13 | peterS | liable: it is not. 'cat /proc/asound/cards' does not require sudo in ubuntu or debian. |
| 08:09.17 | linopil | Guerin: presuming nothing ;-) |
| 08:09.26 | linopil | just a convenience |
| 08:09.28 | liable | geo-rge: i believe it may, in whats on iso1 |
| 08:09.47 | peterS | doubtful |
| 08:09.47 | Guerin | linopil: yeah, the extra 5 characters and unneeded root privilege is hella convenient |
| 08:09.50 | geo-rge | linopil: you can find out whether you have read perm on it |
| 08:09.59 | peterS | Guerin: and typing your password |
| 08:10.05 | linopil | tough issue here is a perfect but legacy SB16 card |
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| 08:10.18 | Guerin | peterS: you think ubuntu requires you to type a PASSWORD? |
| 08:10.19 | Guerin | HAHAHA |
| 08:10.19 | geo-rge | linopil: pnp? |
| 08:10.34 | Guerin | linopil: use alsaconfig |
| 08:10.35 | linopil | isapnp |
| 08:10.42 | liable | conf |
| 08:10.47 | linopil | trying that |
| 08:10.59 | geo-rge | linopil: ok, so do you know its port and irq at this point? |
| 08:11.04 | Guerin | linopil: it does work, though you may have to match your bios and kernel resource options |
| 08:11.28 | linopil | could not locate alsaconfig |
| 08:11.36 | Guerin | !installit |
| 08:11.36 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 08:11.44 | Guerin | linopil: and anyway, go ask #ubuntu |
| 08:11.47 | liable | geo-rge: get the name right first :P |
| 08:11.52 | liable | Guerin: ^^ |
| 08:12.06 | geo-rge | liable: name of? |
| 08:12.13 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:12.16 | Guerin | alsaconf, is it? |
| 08:12.19 | liable | geo-rge: nicktab fuckage |
| 08:12.23 | liable | yes |
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| 08:12.41 | geo-rge | liable: oh, you have an isapnp sb16 too ?! |
| 08:12.46 | liable | and if he doesnt have that, the he *is* using ubuntu |
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| 08:13.38 | geo-rge | liable: editing who I'm speaking to, are ya? :) |
| 08:14.13 | liable | geo-rge: um, i mistabbed, i meant Guerin, wtf are you on about? |
| 08:14.26 | geo-rge | oic |
| 08:15.11 | geo-rge | so it wasn't me who said liable when I meant linopil, it was you who said geo-rge when you meant Guerin |
| 08:15.14 | geo-rge | np :) |
| 08:16.03 | liable | geo-rge: see the ^^, its the usual answer to nicktab errors |
| 08:16.38 | geo-rge | hmm... that in the jargon file somewhere? |
| 08:16.57 | peterS | ^^^ is not hacker jargon, it is IRC shorthand |
| 08:17.17 | geo-rge | I thought that meant "look up" |
| 08:17.20 | linopil | what is ^^^ then ? |
| 08:17.24 | linopil | k |
| 08:17.27 | peterS | it is a way of visually underlining the previous line to call the person's attention to it |
| 08:17.39 | geo-rge | oh, yeah, that's what I thought |
| 08:17.57 | peterS | it's used in email too, to underline particular words or phrases quoted in a reply |
| 08:18.15 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.28 | geo-rge | cute |
| 08:18.30 | orestyle5__ | and it tastes great on toast |
| 08:18.37 | peterS | better than vegemite |
| 08:18.45 | liable | c'mon |
| 08:18.57 | peterS | yeah, I know, not a terribly high bar to clear |
| 08:18.58 | liable | dont go dissing the vegemite |
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| 08:19.26 | geo-rge | maybe worse than spam, by any definition :) |
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| 08:20.32 | Mateusz | Hi, how to remove package when post-removal script fails ? |
| 08:20.47 | kalm | hello... please can someone tell me where does the: apt-get -d xxxx download the stuf to in default? |
| 08:20.50 | geo-rge | first see what the postrm does, and try to do that |
| 08:20.52 | kalm | please i need this info |
| 08:20.58 | peterS | Mateusz: figure out why it failed, fix that cause, and try the removal again |
| 08:21.11 | liable | kalm: the dir your shell is in |
| 08:21.33 | geo-rge | liable: no... /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 08:21.37 | peterS | Mateusz: the postrm script is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ - you can read it there. if necessary you can _edit_ it there, if it is actually buggy, and then run the remove command again |
| 08:21.43 | liable | Mateusz: try removing the -e too |
| 08:21.52 | Mateusz | peterS thx |
| 08:21.52 | liable | geo-rge: no |
| 08:22.17 | peterS | removing the -e fixes a symptom, not a cause. the -e is not generally what makes a postrm script buggy |
| 08:22.19 | geo-rge | liable: read his question again, carefully this time |
| 08:22.31 | geo-rge | I know where those packages go. |
| 08:22.36 | kalm | THANK YOU :D |
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| 08:23.41 | geo-rge | he's -not- asking the question you think... which is "where is the source after I do apt-get source <package>" |
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| 08:26.41 | Mateusz | peterS I have the second problem, I want to use connlimit from netfilter, whereas its not in debian's default etch kernel. So I am trying to apply patch-o-matic on source, however debian's iptables already have it, whereas linux src doesnt |
| 08:27.06 | Mateusz | peterS I think this cause that I cant apply this specific patch for connlimit |
| 08:27.48 | peterS | Mateusz: iptables is a userspace program, it's independent from the kernel, you should be only patching your kernel, not your userspace utilities |
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| 08:28.12 | Mateusz | peterS patch-o-matic needs iptables src to work |
| 08:28.22 | peterS | what is this patch-o-matic you speak of? |
| 08:28.23 | Mateusz | peterS however I just need to patch kernel :( |
| 08:28.40 | Mateusz | peterS netfilters patch set |
| 08:28.41 | peterS | then just patch the kernel. are you saying you can't find a patch for this feature that you can use to patch your kernel? |
| 08:28.43 | geo-rge | peterS: but remember that iptables would insert netfilter modules in order to do matching and suchy |
| 08:28.54 | peterS | geo-rge: yes, but that has nothing to do with his question |
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| 08:29.11 | geo-rge | maybe what he's saying is a needed module is missing |
| 08:29.25 | Mateusz | geo-rge I think yes |
| 08:29.32 | peterS | geo-rge: I know what he's saying, and we got past that part about 5 minutes ago |
| 08:29.47 | geo-rge | oh, so operator error? :) |
| 08:29.55 | peterS | well, he's confused about patchsets |
| 08:30.07 | Mateusz | peterS let me show you patch set |
| 08:30.16 | Abe | does anyone knows if passing lapic=1 will enable IO-APIC also in sarge or not? |
| 08:30.18 | wols | why not use vanilla sources when you patch your kernel anyways |
| 08:30.19 | peterS | Mateusz: the patch for the kernel and the patch for iptables should be separate. if they are lumped together, separate them yourself. and only apply the patch for your favorite piece of kernel source |
| 08:30.58 | peterS | Abe: I thought ioapic (and local apic) was already enabled by default in sarge kernels. so lapic=1 should have no effect whatsoever since it's already on by default |
| 08:31.05 | geo-rge | wols: becasue the kernel maints and others have tested the patches already applied? |
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| 08:31.27 | Mateusz | peterS its how theirs script work, maybe there is other way to apply this |
| 08:31.31 | peterS | wols: yeah, maybe the debian kernel team actually _add value_ to the kernel rather than just sitting on their thumbs. maybe we want to make use of their work |
| 08:31.43 | geo-rge | I mean, that could be... maybe the changelog will say more about that |
| 08:31.51 | Abe | peterS I don't have it one (from dmesg) until I pass lapic=1, as it claims the BIOS disabled it, which I have no idea how to enable it in the BIOS |
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| 08:31.56 | peterS | Mateusz: "scripts"? most unusual. the way this stuff usually works is, you get a patch file, you apply it to your tree, you rebuild |
| 08:32.01 | wols | peterS: if you start patching kernel source, it's rare that patchesets are for anything than vanilla kernel |
| 08:32.23 | geo-rge | oh, good point |
| 08:32.24 | Mateusz | peterS however default etch kernel's have some included patches from patch-o-matic I wonder why they didnt include connlimit as well, as its in iptables |
| 08:32.26 | peterS | wols: it's also pretty common that they apply anyway |
| 08:32.35 | Abe | peterS, any idea what options in the BIOS should I look for, in those pretty nothing Phoneix BIOS setup? |
| 08:33.01 | geo-rge | one problem in applying old patches to new kernels is the cvs id could get in the way |
| 08:33.14 | peterS | Abe: hrrrm - stuff about MPS 1.1 vs 1.4 vs ... who knows. that's multiprocessor stuff, it might be related to the APICs |
| 08:33.36 | peterS | geo-rge: what planet are you from? Linux has never used CVS, except a long time ago in the networking stack |
| 08:33.43 | peterS | geo-rge: maybe you're thinking of OpenBSD? |
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| 08:34.00 | peterS | also, CVS ID conflicts are trivial to resolve |
| 08:34.01 | Abe | actually I'm having problem with sata_sil, with data corruption in my sata drive, and I've read from web that it's that mod15write problem, and someone suggest enabling all IO-APIC stuff, so that's what I'm trying |
| 08:34.14 | Mateusz | peterS Its patch-o-matic page http://www.netfilter.org/projects/patch-o-matic/index.html |
| 08:34.25 | geo-rge | Abe: what kernel again? and what version of debian? |
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| 08:35.10 | H3g3m0n | Abe: I think i might have that problem too, that an addon pci card? |
| 08:35.15 | Abe | geo-rge: I am trying sarge 2.6.8-2 from sarge, and also 2.6.16-2 and 2.6.18-2 from backports also |
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| 08:35.30 | Abe | H3g3m0n, yes, addon PCI sil 3112 |
| 08:35.41 | geo-rge | I have one of those, not using it |
| 08:35.45 | Abe | http://home-tj.org/wiki/index.php/Sil_m15w#Message:_Re:_SiI_3112_.26_Seagate_drivers |
| 08:35.51 | peterS | Abe: so anyway, if the BIOS does not enable the APICs, I would say 'lapic=1' is not likely to enable the IO-APIC. but if you try it and read the boot messages, you'll know a lot better than I do |
| 08:36.06 | Abe | peterS, it did enable it with lapic |
| 08:36.11 | Abe | from dmesg |
| 08:36.23 | peterS | Abe: so, uh, why did you need to ask us? |
| 08:36.26 | Abe | but I am still wondering if IO-APIC has to be enabled deliberately or not |
| 08:36.27 | geo-rge | what;s a apic? |
| 08:36.42 | peterS | geo-rge: Advanced PIC. where PIC is programmable interrupt controller |
| 08:36.52 | geo-rge | oh, tnx |
| 08:37.18 | peterS | geo-rge: ancient CPUs didn't have their own interrupt controllers so there was a separate one, known as an 8259 chip, on the motherboard. still present. but modern CPUs have their own better version called an APIC |
| 08:37.40 | jooopyme | Is someone here speeks hindi? |
| 08:37.44 | Abe | mapped APIC to ffffd000 (fee00000) |
| 08:38.02 | Abe | but I don't get IO-APIC on, so wondering how can I try to turn it on(as suggested as a workaround) |
| 08:38.10 | geo-rge | is that why there can be many more interrupts and they can be assigned to, for example, isa devices? |
| 08:38.11 | peterS | geo-rge: if you have 2 CPUs, you need something more sophisticated than the CPU's own APIC, so you use an IO-APIC which is elsewhere on the northbridge, I believe. even single-CPU machines often have an IO-APIC, though they don't strictly need one |
| 08:38.27 | geo-rge | ok |
| 08:38.40 | tralala | jooopyme, try debian-ur |
| 08:38.52 | peterS | geo-rge: to distinguish between the APIC on the CPU itself and the IO-APIC, the one on the CPU is known as the "local APIC", hence "lapic=1" in Abe's question |
| 08:39.06 | geo-rge | so in this case the bios can switch it on and off |
| 08:39.12 | peterS | yeah, it can |
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| 08:39.42 | peterS | some CPUs and some motherboards and some BIOSes and some devices have problems with APICs, so the Linux kernel allows you to enable or disable them as well, in case you need to |
| 08:39.43 | iLLf8d | lo all |
| 08:40.03 | geo-rge | ok,,, what's coming out to be the best intel and (separate question) amd chipset and motherboards? |
| 08:40.16 | peterS | no clue |
| 08:40.31 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:40.43 | Mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:40.48 | geo-rge | asus still considered the best? |
| 08:40.54 | iLLf8d | you gotta go to peterS website and hit his paypal button to get an answer |
| 08:41.26 | geo-rge | he's gotta be a pal first |
| 08:41.38 | iLLf8d | geo-rge, theres no "considered the best" |
| 08:41.46 | geo-rge | oh there was :) |
| 08:41.54 | geo-rge | asus was renouned |
| 08:41.59 | iLLf8d | nah opinions are like assholes everyone has one |
| 08:42.07 | xingu | every motherboard ever purchased was probably considered the best at the point of sale |
| 08:42.09 | geo-rge | and they usually stink? |
| 08:42.13 | peterS | I'm still humming along fine with a gigabyte motherboard from early 2004. I haven't needed an upgrade since then. so as far as I'm concerned _that_ motherboard is the best. |
| 08:42.15 | iLLf8d | just mean you werre talking to a certain bunch of assholes =P |
| 08:42.34 | peterS | or maybe from early 2005, I can't remember now |
| 08:42.52 | iLLf8d | geo-rge, I dunno you can hit some bad chipsets and bad models and whatnot |
| 08:43.05 | geo-rge | peterS: what made you go for the gigabit? |
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| 08:43.25 | peterS | geo-rge: it's what the computer store had, that had the features I wanted and the price I was willing to pay |
| 08:43.49 | iLLf8d | geo-rge, better off telling people what you're looking for and people will usually chime in and say I got this board its awesome or this board sucks kinda thing other then that if you hit the wrong combo of something you could be boned |
| 08:44.01 | peterS | geo-rge: small store, only a dozen or so motherboard models, but this one looked like what I needed and so far it's worked great |
| 08:44.10 | geo-rge | are you a gamer or do you do any kind of 3d cad work or anything like that? |
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| 08:44.24 | geo-rge | peterS, glad to hear that |
| 08:44.37 | geo-rge | is that amd or intel or something else? |
| 08:44.41 | peterS | geo-rge: nah, I bought a G450 on ebay and that works fine for me. no 3D anything, but 2D text is quite sharp as per Matrox reputation |
| 08:44.55 | peterS | it's a K7 XP 2500+ |
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| 08:45.01 | peterS | i.e., 1.8 GHz |
| 08:45.04 | geo-rge | so it's an amd |
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| 08:45.21 | iLLf8d | no I wouldn't be considered a gamer, and if you wanna game you should really consider a different platform although a number of mainstream games are supported in linux |
| 08:45.39 | iLLf8d | s/platform/os |
| 08:45.45 | geo-rge | yeah, I'm pretty much aware of that part |
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| 08:46.12 | peterS | my needs in a graphics card are very simple. nice sharp 2D, dual head, supports Linux. |
| 08:46.13 | iLLf8d | I play games like q3a ut2k4 if I play anything in linux (or the older loki games) |
| 08:46.31 | peterS | so the Matrox G450 was an obvious choice |
| 08:47.36 | geo-rge | yeah, I have a g400 myself |
| 08:47.51 | geo-rge | but since upgraded to ati stuff |
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| 08:48.47 | fantazia_ | įĶŧåž |
| 08:49.00 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 08:49.21 | fantazia_ | =)) |
| 08:49.29 | iLLf8d | I can't believe they said that in channel |
| 08:49.36 | fantazia_ | whatever it means |
| 08:49.37 | fantazia_ | hehe |
| 08:49.44 | geo-rge | right now win2k can't see that it's a radeon or I have the wrong driver or something |
| 08:49.47 | iLLf8d | its man pees on building cantya tell |
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| 08:56.24 | Abe | just wondering. any good suggstion on a 2 port sata card, what chipset is nicely supported in sarge? |
| 08:57.59 | liable | sa1210 and many many others |
| 08:58.38 | Abe | H3g3m0n, so did you manage to get the sil3112 working? |
| 08:59.14 | Abe | liable, thanks. btw, if I need to change from sata_sil to an sa1210, is there anything I need to config first (loading module etc) before I swap the card? |
| 08:59.39 | H3g3m0n | Abe: I had onboard SATA, so i just moved the main drives to the onboard and off the card and left the storage drives that don't get much write activity on the sli |
| 08:59.57 | Abe | to boot back to the sata hard disk connected to the sil3112 (and after replacement the sa1210 if I could get one) |
| 09:00.13 | liable | Abe: i believe they use the same module (google it to be sure) |
| 09:00.25 | Abe | nice :) |
| 09:00.30 | Abe | will check |
| 09:00.34 | H3g3m0n | Although, know I know its specific to Seagate, I will probably put my 2 WD drives on the card |
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| 09:01.45 | ntk | hello all |
| 09:02.27 | Abe | H3g3m0n, seems it's always seagate, but mine isn't in the blacklist, though still have problem |
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| 09:02.44 | sid | !greek ntk |
| 09:02.52 | sid | !greet ntk |
| 09:02.52 | dpkg | Gr33tz, ntk |
| 09:03.04 | Abe | hi |
| 09:03.52 | ntk | hello |
| 09:03.54 | geo-rge | can I have a maildir that is somehow hooked to an sql db engine such that arbitrary indexes can be created, and so that switching from (say) by-subject to by-date doesn't take 10 mins? |
| 09:04.07 | ntk | i am discovering the wonders of linux wireless for the first time |
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| 09:04.24 | ntk | and i could use some help. spent the last couple hours getting my card to work, which I seem to have done at the driver level |
| 09:04.25 | sid | ntk: What wireless chipset are you using? |
| 09:04.35 | ntk | thanks to |
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| 09:04.37 | ntk | ndiswrapper |
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| 09:04.42 | ntk | I guess it would be acx100 |
| 09:05.19 | Abe | liable, do you mean the adaptec 1210sa? |
| 09:05.29 | Abe | or another one that I missed? |
| 09:05.32 | ntk | but I'm using the windows driver for |
| 09:05.36 | ntk | TEW-421PC from Trendnet |
| 09:06.08 | ntk | basically, iwlist wlan0 scan produces a nice list of access points, but iwlist ap says "interface doesn't have a list of peers/access points" |
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| 09:06.10 | sid | ntk: ntk Who is the manufacturer of your card? |
| 09:06.20 | ntk | TrendNet |
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| 09:06.51 | sid | ntk: TrendWare? |
| 09:06.56 | ntk | and iwconfig wland0 ap BLAH or essid BLAH runs, but then running iwconfig again shows it has no essid and is not associated with any accesspoint |
| 09:07.21 | ntk | the driver is here: http://www.trendnet.com/asp/download_manager/list_subcategory.asp?SUBTYPE_ID=994 |
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| 09:08.14 | sid | ntk: Can you put the output of lspci on www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 09:08.29 | ntk | it says trendnet on the card, model is TEW-421PC version B1.1R |
| 09:08.35 | ntk | sure |
| 09:08.49 | ntk | this is a PCMCIA card, mind |
| 09:09.24 | yonkeltr1n | anyone know of any games that can be played over a lan between mac and linux? |
| 09:09.36 | sid | !tetrinet |
| 09:09.37 | dpkg | hmm... tetrinet is multiplayer TETRIS, get the client software by typing "apt-get install gtetrinet" as root...then as non-root start gtetrinet and connect to tetrinet.debian.net ... Everyone is welcome to come play... debian developers play, and so do debian users...come join the fun! yes that means _YOU_ join now. |
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| 09:09.45 | sid | yonkeltr1n: tetrinet is very popular. everyone loves network tetris. |
| 09:10.29 | ntk | sid: can't paste the whole output (no network), but the relevant line seems to be: 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) |
| 09:10.38 | H3g3m0n | tetrinet rawks |
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| 09:11.24 | sid | ntk: Your chipset is Marvell |
| 09:11.46 | ntk | that's news to me, but seems you are right! :-) |
| 09:12.01 | ntk | should i not be using the ndiswrapper driver? |
| 09:12.27 | sid | ntk: They have absolutely zero support for GNU/Linux. They only have non-free drivers that don't show source code. and they don't have open specifications so it seems they really don't want to be nice to our free software community. |
| 09:12.37 | ntk | :-( |
| 09:12.57 | sid | ntk: I would sell the card in protest and get a card from a company that supports free software and has drivers, like orinoco for instance. |
| 09:13.17 | sid | ntk: But if you wish to use that card with GNU/Linux you'll have to use non-free proprietary windows drivers, and ndiswrapper yes. |
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| 09:13.37 | ntk | i'm just wondering, because googling around it seems that a lot of people have gotten this working on linux with ndiswrapper; it seems to be working on my machine, in that iwlist scan shows results. I got the card secondhand with this trashy ol' laptop |
| 09:14.04 | ntk | which doesn't even have built-in ethernet |
| 09:14.27 | ntk | I was just wondering if there is something obvious, nondriver-related that i'm doing wrong with the tools, or if it is indeed a driver problem |
| 09:15.06 | sid | ntk: If `iwlist scanning` shows results..just pick an ssid and connect. |
| 09:15.33 | sid | ntk: ie `iwconfig interface(eth1?) essid "linksys"` |
| 09:15.37 | geo-rge | how could I be sure to get a pci card with a prism2 or prism54 chipset? |
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| 09:15.58 | ntk | I did that, but then when I did iwconfig wlan0 again, it showed it wasn't associated with anything |
| 09:16.32 | ntk | i didn't get any errors, but it still says ESSID:off/any, Access Point: Not-Associated |
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| 09:17.09 | ntk | isn't iwlist ap supposed to list access points too? I get "interface doesn't have a list of peers/access-points" |
| 09:17.19 | liable | Abe: ya |
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| 09:19.54 | geo-rge | this is weird... I just noticed that ubuntu packages seem to be known to my package database |
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| 09:20.29 | geo-rge | that should be a symptom of a problem, right? |
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| 09:21.20 | peterS | geo-rge: it means you have something in /etc/apt/sources.list that includes some ubuntu packages |
| 09:21.50 | peterS | geo-rge: or you did at one time, and installed some of them |
| 09:22.13 | geo-rge | example... The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxinerama-dev: Conflicts: xlibs-static-dev (< 6.8.1-0ubuntu1) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2 is to be installed |
| 09:22.18 | yonkeltr1n | sid: that's cool...anything other than tetrinet? |
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| 09:24.14 | peterS | yonkeltr1n: bubnbros is the new tetrinet, I guess. I don't know much about it, giyf |
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| 09:24.47 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 09:24.57 | Ace2016 | is there a debian sid net installer? |
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| 09:25.47 | geo-rge | probably not... but there is an etch installer... you can upgrade to sid from there... you're upgrading to test it and not to do real work right? |
| 09:26.36 | karsten | Friend here asked if I could explain what similies are like. |
| 09:26.39 | karsten | As if! |
| 09:26.46 | geo-rge | if you are intending to use sid for any real work, hope you have good backup devices and a good plan |
| 09:27.04 | karsten | ntk: That's a somewhat inconsistently supported feature (iwlist) afaik |
| 09:27.07 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 09:27.10 | xingu | geo-rge: or a good memory |
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| 09:27.17 | Ace2016 | its up to date isn't it? |
| 09:27.25 | karsten | Ace2016: It breaks. |
| 09:27.37 | karsten | Ace2016: Sid breaks toys (from the movie). |
| 09:27.48 | karsten | Ace2016: Sid (the release) breaks stuff too. |
| 09:28.21 | peterS | software quality is not measured on a stopwatch. "up to date" does not mean "well debugged". actually rather the opposite. |
| 09:28.22 | geo-rge | Ace2016: sid is fairly experimental... so it breaks... a LOT... if that's ok with you, mo powah to yah... but if you have preexisting files, I hope you have a backup... because you might need it |
| 09:28.23 | Ace2016 | oh so is that where the name came from, never knew that, makes sense now, woody, sid, serge |
| 09:28.36 | Ace2016 | i want something stable |
| 09:28.43 | Ace2016 | with the latest kde and stuff |
| 09:28.47 | peterS | etch is getting there |
| 09:28.48 | geo-rge | sarge is the present stable... |
| 09:29.11 | geo-rge | if you want latest anything, you might have to compile it (and maintain it) yourself |
| 09:29.26 | Ace2016 | then i'd just go back to gentoo |
| 09:29.33 | peterS | good plan |
| 09:29.45 | Ace2016 | xingu: why? |
| 09:29.49 | pstickne | I've had only minor problems with etch/some sid |
| 09:29.56 | geo-rge | what are you looking for exactly? (obviously not stability) |
| 09:30.02 | pstickne | there are also backports for many things... |
| 09:30.04 | peterS | for people who have nothing better to do than tend to their systems so they can always have the newest of everything, to the point where they have no time left to actually _use_ their computers to get _other_ work done ... gentoo is perfect |
| 09:30.39 | karsten | Ace2016: testing, with a pin to unstable for some stuff, works pretty well. |
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| 09:31.05 | karsten | Ace2016: It breaks rarely. If you want working KDE/GNOME and recent releases, you might be better off with Ubuntu. |
| 09:31.11 | Ace2016 | gentoo was ok, i ran it for ages, i just did the compiling in the background |
| 09:31.22 | Ace2016 | but testing isn't the latest |
| 09:31.29 | Ace2016 | I'm running ubuntu |
| 09:31.31 | geo-rge | ahh, the age-old "work ON your workshop" versus "work IN your workshop"... which will YOU choose? |
| 09:31.34 | Ace2016 | and i don't like it |
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| 09:31.46 | Ace2016 | both? |
| 09:31.48 | geo-rge | it depends on why you donb't like it |
| 09:31.50 | tralala | Ace2016, why did you ditch gentoo if it was doing well? |
| 09:32.03 | xingu | be interestig to build a widget that used a pie menu to show you radial hops in terms of dependancy linkage away from the base packages and let you colour them as to how much breakage you could personally tolerate |
| 09:32.13 | Ace2016 | tralala: i couldn't figure out how to make an ebuild |
| 09:32.22 | geo-rge | mmmmmmmmmm.... pie..... |
| 09:32.23 | xingu | sort of like pinning, but gradiated, on steroids |
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| 09:33.16 | xingu | aborting upgrade: excessive pain detected |
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| 09:34.08 | xingu | or - "this upgrade will take you x man-hours to backport configuration and revalidate based on previous data - do you wish to proceed" |
| 09:34.35 | blacktoo | re |
| 09:34.56 | Ace2016 | xingu: whats that? |
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| 09:35.13 | xingu | Ace2016: architecture |
| 09:35.50 | Ace2016 | xingu: architecture? |
| 09:36.40 | geo-rge | an architecture is what Kelly Bundy is... it means she shoots bow and arrow! |
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| 09:37.42 | H3g3m0n | Ace2016: Some ebuild links i have bookmarked from my Gentoo days http://devmanual.gentoo.org/quickstart/index.html http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml?part=2&chap=1 |
| 09:38.35 | xingu | the missing link between dependancy resolution, which we do stunningly well, and how the end users want to do release management, is that the user is always thinking in terms of making a time-cost/benefit tradeoff when assessing a given update fragment/chain |
| 09:39.11 | geo-rge | I haven't been stunned since slink |
| 09:39.20 | geo-rge | it' |
| 09:39.28 | geo-rge | s been ok, not much more |
| 09:39.42 | xingu | so the missing tool is allowing them to describe where their individual pressure points are in terms of what is and is not locally core functionality and not to be touched until a sufficiently wide time window exists |
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| 09:40.14 | xingu | you can approximate it, don't get me wrong, with held packages/ pinning, yadda. |
| 09:41.10 | xingu | I appreciate and use this... I'm not ignorant of what's avaible; but it's not designed from the goal of colouring fundamentally site-local information about percieved time-cost/benefit tradoff back into dependancy metrics. |
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| 09:42.10 | xingu | some of the "time" in time-cost you can sense by treating package upgrades as transactions openned when the upgrade is initiated and closed when the user says they're done or after an idle timeout |
| 09:42.31 | xingu | some of the "cost" in time-cost you'd need the user to literally colour in |
| 09:43.12 | xingu | the benefit, after doing this for a decade, seems to always be a goal of "give me as much newness as I can tolerate" |
| 09:43.43 | xingu | you could probably assume that as a constant and just resolve for time-cost vs available window |
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| 09:45.54 | xingu | the other missing link is that "time" of time-cost during an initial package install is far less than during a high-touch package upgrade (minor version bump) |
| 09:46.54 | xingu | so you may as well let folk install head-of-line during initial install if you are sure that known-knowns in the release pegged package are also fixed in head |
| 09:47.27 | xingu | because the time-cost to them is identical; they are on the hook for known-unknowns (there might be a severe bug in what was just installed) either way |
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| 09:49.44 | xingu | it'd be interesting to sample across sites how much time was wasted with each upgrade fragment too. :) |
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| 09:50.51 | xingu | "on average x man-hours have been wasted peforming these upgrades (insufficient site data exists for normalisation); do you wish to proceed? |
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| 09:51.13 | ntk | karsten: you are right |
| 09:51.22 | karsten | ntk: ?? |
| 09:51.23 | ntk | karsten, sid: the problem was actually really stupid |
| 09:51.45 | ntk | turns out I had previously installed the ndiswrapper driver with 1.1, which was not compatible with the kernel module |
| 09:51.59 | ntk | when I upgraded to 1.8, i neglected to remove and reinstall the windows driver |
| 09:52.05 | karsten | ntk: Um. Is this a prior night's conversation? |
| 09:52.07 | ntk | that was really stupid and a lot of work for nothing |
| 09:52.13 | ntk | no, about 30 mins ago |
| 09:52.37 | karsten | ntk: Ah. |
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| 09:52.54 | ntk | I would have expected it to break in an obvious way, rather than half-work :-/ |
| 09:54.09 | xingu | you would have expected a coherent state to exist after allowing two driver models to configure your card's running state? |
| 09:54.13 | geo-rge | !find X11/extensions/XTest.h |
| 09:54.14 | xingu | that's um... ambitious. |
| 09:54.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'X11/extensions/XTest.h' (1): (/usr/include/X11/extensions/XTest.h) in x11/x11proto-xext-dev. |
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| 09:55.11 | geo-rge | !info x11proto-xext-dev sarge |
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| 09:55.55 | ntk | nevermind |
| 09:55.55 | ntk | works now |
| 09:56.11 | geo-rge | where else would tht header and record.h be? |
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| 09:57.02 | xingu | !find XTest.h in sarge |
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| 09:57.47 | peterS | without "in" |
| 09:57.51 | geo-rge | let's try withot in |
| 09:58.07 | geo-rge | !find XTest.h sarge |
| 09:58.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'XTest.h' (2): (/usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/XTest.h) in libdevel/libxtst-dev ;; (/usr/share/openoffice/sdk/docs/common/docs/common/ref/com/sun/star/test/XTest.html) in doc/openoffice.org-dev-doc. |
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| 09:58.51 | dddav00 | hi |
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| 10:00.06 | geo-rge | !find libqt-mt sarge |
| 10:00.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libqt-mt' (2): (/usr/share/qt3/lib/{libqt-mt.prl|libqt-mt.so}, /usr/lib/{libqt-mt.la|libqt-mt.prl|libqt-mt.so}) in libdevel/libqt3-mt-dev ;; (/usr/share/qt3/lib/{libqt-mt.so.3|libqt-mt.so.3.3}, /usr/lib/{libqt-mt.so.3|libqt-mt.so.3.3|libqt-mt.so.3.3.4}) in libs/libqt3c102-mt. |
| 10:00.23 | dddav00 | please whats debian CD need to install testing (or etch) "not sarge" ? |
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| 10:00.44 | geo-rge | dddav00: /topic |
| 10:01.05 | geo-rge | it should be still on your screen |
| 10:01.55 | dddav00 | geo-rge, yes, but i try with 3.1r4 i get sarge with 2.6.8.... :/ |
| 10:02.01 | dddav00 | why ? |
| 10:02.29 | dddav00 | i start install with linux26 |
| 10:02.31 | geo-rge | because you didn't read the topic :) cmon, carefully this time :) |
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| 10:05.56 | geo-rge | soooo.... are you.... FEELING ADVENTUROUS?? |
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| 10:06.46 | dddav00 | geo-rge, sorry not found any thing about this in TOPIC |
| 10:06.50 | Decepticon | dpkg -l wien |
| 10:06.50 | dpkg | No packages found matching wien |
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| 10:07.14 | geo-rge | dddav00: look at its end |
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| 10:07.41 | dddav00 | test the etch rc1 installer, report ? |
| 10:07.47 | Decepticon | what should i expect trying to compile Wine 0.9.26 on debian sarge? |
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| 10:07.58 | geo-rge | HELLO! GIVE THAT MAN A CIGAR! |
| 10:08.15 | dddav00 | any one help me, please... |
| 10:08.49 | geo-rge | you can't be helped if you can't follow very simple directions with lots of hints |
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| 10:09.16 | dddav00 | please, howto install DEBIAN testing NOT sarge ? |
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| 10:09.30 | geo-rge | read the topic |
| 10:09.39 | geo-rge | !repeat |
| 10:09.39 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:10.19 | Decepticon | what is going on here, are you talking to me geo-rge? |
| 10:10.45 | geo-rge | Decepticon: no, you didn't ask anything that I could see |
| 10:10.46 | wols | dddav00: last URL in the topic |
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| 10:10.59 | Decepticon | 'geo-rge: what should i expect trying to compile Wine 0.9.26 on debian sarge? |
| 10:11.01 | wols | it has a clear link to the etch installer. unable to click it? |
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| 10:11.45 | geo-rge | Decepticon: oh, right... sorry... if you have the build requirements installed, you should expect it to build and run |
| 10:12.34 | Decepticon | i see a package on backports, 0.9.20 .... should i go for that instead of trying to compile? |
| 10:12.46 | geo-rge | that might be a good thing |
| 10:15.37 | dddav00 | need r1 (not r4) ? |
| 10:16.20 | geo-rge | dddav00: etch is not released. 3.1r<anything> is sarge. |
| 10:17.12 | geo-rge | so there is no EtchR1 but there might be a -release candidate- |
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| 10:17.29 | dddav00 | yes |
| 10:17.38 | dddav00 | i need testing version |
| 10:17.56 | dddav00 | with 2.6.17 |
| 10:17.56 | geo-rge | and more to the point, there might be a release candidate of an -installer- for etch |
| 10:19.08 | geo-rge | that's the thing you might be looking for |
| 10:20.50 | dddav00 | please help |
| 10:22.14 | Abe | liable, sorry I was out for dinner. u know of any good one not using sil3112 chipset, as sa1210 is using sil3112 also as I've check |
| 10:22.33 | dddav00 | bye |
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| 10:23.16 | peterS | poor dddav00, someone should've told him about http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:23.50 | xingu | peterS: hey that's really handy, whack it in the /topic? |
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| 10:24.20 | peterS | xingu: hmmm maybe I should, I already put that thing in there about testing rc1, it wouldn't hurt to give a URL I guess.. |
| 10:24.35 | peterS | !topicsmite me |
| 10:24.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon peters. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:24.49 | peterS | doh, I didn't read my own topic entry - it's already in there |
| 10:25.07 | xingu | wow, I wonder why that ddav00 guy didn't see that |
| 10:25.14 | xingu | you're right, it's right there and all |
| 10:25.19 | peterS | we forgot to !topicsmite him |
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| 10:26.01 | peterS | well, if he returns, you know what to do. ima bed. |
| 10:26.07 | geo-rge | peterS: umm... the url is THERE |
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| 10:26.19 | peterS | geo-rge: welcome to 2 minutes ago |
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| 10:26.44 | geo-rge | the url was there when he first asked :) |
| 10:27.05 | peterS | yes, I'm saying welcome to the conversation where I said the same thing 2 minutes ago |
| 10:27.28 | geo-rge | oh, right, sorry |
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| 10:27.51 | peterS | geo-rge: the worst part is, I'm the one who added that url. you'd think I would have remembered doing so. |
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| 10:28.14 | geo-rge | I hedged my bet... I looked at the topic first :) |
| 10:29.20 | static_x_ | i have just installed debian on my machine, with KDE as my GUI, however the graphics are all srewed up, how can i change my settings? |
| 10:29.58 | static_x_ | is there an option in the kde menu somewhere |
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| 10:31.01 | geo-rge | I'm looking in the pool dir of a debian mirror, and I can't find libqt3* |
| 10:31.47 | Vich | I'm looking in the pool, and the water looks inviting |
| 10:32.03 | geo-rge | oh, you must be at the local ynca |
| 10:32.16 | Vich | ;S |
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| 10:33.50 | geo-rge | !find libqt3-headers |
| 10:33.55 | dpkg | libqt3-headers: (Qt3 header files), section devel, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 354 kB, Installed size: 2438 kB |
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| 10:34.12 | geo-rge | !find libqt3-headers sarge |
| 10:34.16 | dpkg | libqt3-headers: (Qt3 header files), section devel, is optional. Version: 3:3.3.4-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 341 kB, Installed size: 2440 kB |
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| 10:36.27 | static_x_ | how do i find the graphics settings |
| 10:36.53 | Abe | wonder what is the difference (chipset support) between sata_sil and siimage, as I see ppl comparing performance between them, so are they compatible? |
| 10:37.34 | xingu | Abe: at a guess, the former is libsata, while the latter is standalone/ monolithic |
| 10:37.45 | geo-rge | sil and sii are two different chipsets? |
| 10:37.59 | xingu | Abe: the only important question is "which is supported with your kernel" |
| 10:38.05 | Abe | hmm, seems a sensible explanation |
| 10:38.07 | Abe | http://kerneltrap.org/node/3813 |
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| 10:38.29 | Abe | that where I saw ppl say one has better performance, so wondering if they are just same thing, different implementation |
| 10:38.55 | Abe | but how could I specify to use the siimage one. I'm using the sata_sil one atm, and having problem, so may give siimage a try if it's supported |
| 10:39.05 | xingu | Abe: if you moved your goalposts to etch, you'd likely have a richer selection of libsata based drivers to select from |
| 10:39.26 | concept10 | I LOVE AMErICCA! |
| 10:39.30 | Abe | xingu, I found siimage and sata_sil modules in the kernel 2.6.16-2 from backports |
| 10:40.01 | streuner_ | !bushsmite concept10 |
| 10:40.02 | Abe | so both are there I suppose, but how can I select such that siimage will be used when booting |
| 10:40.07 | concept10 | hey |
| 10:40.21 | concept10 | Im drunk, excuse me |
| 10:40.23 | concept10 | sorry |
| 10:40.36 | Abe | lol |
| 10:40.39 | xingu | Abe: blacklist the unwanted one? don't know, I use sid, ich7, and package my own kernels. |
| 10:41.11 | Abe | hmm, that's something I could try, but if siimage is there, may as well give it a try |
| 10:41.30 | concept10 | Is there any allegiance in this channel streuner_ |
| 10:41.36 | geo-rge | Abe: try modconf or adding a line to /etc/modules |
| 10:41.57 | geo-rge | allegedly, allegience is alleged |
| 10:42.19 | Abe | geo-rge, I've had a look at /etc/modules, but actually sata_sil is not there, only sd_mod |
| 10:42.47 | geo-rge | sd_mod is piece of scsi subsystem for hds |
| 10:42.56 | Abe | so you reckon I should try to put in siimage and it should automatically be used instead of sata_sil? |
| 10:43.06 | streuner_ | concept10: no |
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| 10:43.27 | geo-rge | you could try that... or let modconf do it for you\ |
| 10:43.56 | Abe | modconf? |
| 10:44.00 | geo-rge | yeahm |
| 10:44.06 | geo-rge | you'd install it first |
| 10:44.16 | Abe | I see |
| 10:44.18 | concept10 | Why? What happened to this world? My Xchat logs into #debian default for over 2 years and what I get? nothing... |
| 10:44.36 | geo-rge | what do you want? |
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| 10:44.45 | H3g3m0n | !prize concept10 |
| 10:44.52 | Abe | actually what would be great is siimage in preference, and fallback to sata_sil, as the image is now remote, if it can't boot....then too bad :( |
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| 10:45.05 | gallus | Happy to see you again |
| 10:45.10 | streuner_ | !tell concept10 about fable |
| 10:45.26 | concept10 | H3g3m0n, Ive ad too many of those beers |
| 10:45.40 | gallus | How can I reduce kern.log and syslog and others log files? |
| 10:45.43 | geo-rge | !beer beer |
| 10:46.16 | geo-rge | reduce? |
| 10:46.21 | gallus | I have tried to configure logrotate but seem it doesn't work |
| 10:46.35 | geo-rge | so you want to rotate the logs |
| 10:46.36 | blondie | !doesn't work |
| 10:46.36 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:46.45 | gallus | geo-rge: now are to big |
| 10:46.50 | gallus | too big |
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| 10:47.17 | geo-rge | one way for now, back them up then truncate |
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| 10:48.00 | concept10 | streuner_, that was great, thanks for that |
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| 10:48.27 | solars | do I need a special daemon like sleepd to shut down my laptop on low battery or does acpi generate an event? |
| 10:48.28 | geo-rge | or you could split them then gzip each resulting piece, then truncate |
| 10:48.42 | gallus | geo-rge: my log dir is 20GB |
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| 10:49.09 | geo-rge | wow, how long have you had it |
| 10:49.48 | gallus | I don't remember |
| 10:49.49 | xingu | solars: one calling chain is gnome power manager->hal->uswsusp |
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| 10:50.20 | solars | xingu, I'm not using gnome |
| 10:50.22 | xingu | solars: another way to go might be cpudynd->uswsusp - just define a lower than low battery profile. |
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| 10:50.29 | geo-rge | gallus: > 10 years? |
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| 10:50.58 | gallus | geo-rge: no :) |
| 10:51.06 | geo-rge | > 1? |
| 10:51.07 | gallus | geo-rge: 1 year :) |
| 10:51.23 | geo-rge | wow... that's a LOT of logs for one year |
| 10:51.39 | wishkah | My toshiba satellite 5200-701 suspends fine (etch, 2.6.17-2-686) (full acpi, suspend to RAM), but when I open the lid or press the power button to wake it, it goes back to Xorg, immediatelly kills it and shuts down the system... what's wrong? |
| 10:51.51 | gallus | geo-rge: how can I free some space |
| 10:52.09 | wishkah | it's a normal "shutdown -h", not a crash, but that's still not what I want :) |
| 10:52.11 | geo-rge | you want to keep those logs? |
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| 10:52.31 | gallus | geo-rge: no I don't |
| 10:52.35 | geo-rge | you may wish to see why they are growing so fast |
| 10:52.59 | gallus | geo-rge: I probably know :) |
| 10:53.08 | xingu | solars: not sure there's explicitly a low battery event from acpi, I could easily be wrong; I think the idea is more that something else will poll remaining charge and act accordingly |
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| 10:53.29 | geo-rge | ok... here's the thing... if you just rm the files, syslog wil get confused and stop writing the logs |
| 10:53.35 | solars | xingu, yeah .. like sleepd I think |
| 10:53.41 | xingu | solars: the problem with making it notification (acpi raising an event) based I can see straightaway is that acpi has no idea about how long it will take to safely power down |
| 10:53.51 | H3g3m0n | Whats it mean when apt-get update gets a lot of pdiff files? |
| 10:53.51 | geo-rge | if you > the files, it won't get confused |
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| 10:53.58 | gallus | geo-rge: ok that's not a god idea |
| 10:54.17 | xingu | solars: but integrating it into whatever you're doing for cpu scaling makes a certain amount of sense too, and cpudynd has the relevant hooks for it |
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| 10:54.18 | solars | xingu, hm yeah I think thats difficult in general, so you just shutdown at a given percentage or so |
| 10:54.27 | gallus | geo-rge: so something like echo "" > myLogFile ? |
| 10:54.32 | solars | xingu, I'm using cpufreqd |
| 10:54.46 | geo-rge | yeah, or just everything after "" |
| 10:54.49 | xingu | solars: yep; but then how to set that percentage for acpi firmware such that it knows when to trigger the event |
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| 10:54.59 | xingu | solars: that's the stumbling block I can see on that front |
| 10:55.00 | solars | xingu, right.. |
| 10:55.18 | guano | hello there |
| 10:55.21 | gallus | geo-rge: what do you mean? |
| 10:55.24 | liable | solars: acpid could do it. look at the laptop-mode-tools script to see where it stops the daemon and add a script to call shutdown a little after that |
| 10:55.25 | gallus | hi guano |
| 10:55.38 | ericP | anyone on free in the paris area have a recommendation for the best debian mirror? |
| 10:55.47 | guano | I have a issue that is probably very simple |
| 10:55.48 | geo-rge | gallus, > myLogFile |
| 10:55.52 | ericP | i guess i could ping them all... |
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| 10:56.17 | geo-rge | if I had an issue... |
| 10:56.17 | geo-rge | I'd issue in the moooorning... |
| 10:56.19 | liable | ericP: try apt-spy if you want to test the speed |
| 10:56.38 | solars | liable, I'll look at that, thank you |
| 10:56.47 | gallus | geo-rge: is it sufficient? |
| 10:56.58 | geo-rge | try it and see :) |
| 10:57.00 | guano | I run Ubuntu,m but I want to acces the Debian repositories, but I dont know how.. I mean, where can I get the pgp key, and what adress should I onclude in my sources.list/ |
| 10:57.04 | geo-rge | it will truncate f |
| 10:57.08 | geo-rge | the file |
| 10:57.33 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite guano |
| 10:57.38 | liable | guano: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 10:57.45 | xingu | liable: not sure acpid polls charge levels? design for that seems to be just suck events from the kernel and react to them |
| 10:57.52 | geo-rge | guano: you definitely dn't want to mix debian and another dist |
| 10:57.56 | liable | guano: and substitute any key no's you need |
| 10:58.20 | xingu | liable: for something as nebulous as "shut down safely on low battery" you need a site-local policy for charge % < x && hibernate |
| 10:58.28 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 10:58.28 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 10:58.40 | streuner_ | Same goes for debian-based distros |
| 10:58.43 | liable | xingu: yeah, it does, but you could poll proc in a script and get acpid to react to it |
| 10:59.04 | blondie | who the hell is lorena bobbitt? |
| 10:59.08 | geo-rge | it's sorta based on water... |
| 10:59.10 | gallus | geo-rge: I'm trying ;) |
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| 10:59.16 | ericP | liable, apt-spy is churning away, optimizing things for me. tx kindly |
| 10:59.18 | H3g3m0n | Thats what i was about to ask too =P |
| 10:59.26 | guano | but I need a package that outdated in ubuntu repo. |
| 10:59.27 | liable | Bushmills: serious? |
| 10:59.31 | liable | blondie: ^^ |
| 10:59.35 | Bushmills | 'morning |
| 10:59.35 | blondie | yes... |
| 10:59.38 | geo-rge | H3g3m0n: she took a knife to someone's thing |
| 10:59.41 | blondie | don't make me google |
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| 10:59.45 | liable | blondie: google bobbit |
| 10:59.49 | geo-rge | giggle instead |
| 10:59.58 | liable | blondie: she cut her husbands dick off |
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| 11:00.03 | gallus | geo-rge: yes it is sufficient :) |
| 11:00.05 | blondie | :S |
| 11:00.16 | streuner_ | blondie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbitt |
| 11:00.20 | geo-rge | or much better: google giggle |
| 11:00.25 | H3g3m0n | guano: If its just the one package, it might be best to download the .deb file and install with dpkg -i, assuming theres not a buttload of dependancies |
| 11:00.34 | nk_ | hi there. I'm looking for a nice webmail-client for my server. squirrelmail is fine, but some ajax-code would make a lot of things easier. any proposals are welcome |
| 11:00.34 | CharminTheMoose | guano:if it's outdated in the ubuntu repo then get the latest from the homepage of whatever software your looking for |
| 11:00.43 | geo-rge | might be even better to try building the package |
| 11:00.48 | CharminTheMoose | it's THAT simple |
| 11:00.50 | blondie | I see they sewed it back on ;) |
| 11:00.51 | liable | blondie: but it all worked out, he became a pr0n star |
| 11:01.23 | geo-rge | "HEY baby, wanna see my SCAR?" |
| 11:01.40 | wishkah | My toshiba satellite 5200-701 suspends fine (etch, 2.6.17-2-686) (full acpi, suspend to RAM), but when I open the lid or press the power button to wake it, it goes back to Xorg, immediatelly kills it and shuts down the system... it looks like a normal shutdown -h, not a crash. Any clues? |
| 11:01.40 | gallus | geo-rge: ok done |
| 11:01.52 | geo-rge | "NONONO, don't pull so hard!!" |
| 11:02.00 | liable | am i supposed to say the capitalised words louder? |
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| 11:02.18 | Bushmills | i'm looking for a command line tool to simulate mouse clicks. looked at xwit, which allows warping of mouse pointer, but no clicking. |
| 11:02.24 | geo-rge | you move your lips when you read?! |
| 11:02.37 | gallus | geo-rge: I have used gnome-commander to move file to an ftp but it crashes a lot of time |
| 11:02.52 | ericP | mince, apt-spy keeps SEGV'ing |
| 11:02.55 | blondie | it's quite common in the US for guys to have part of their penises cut off though, isn't it |
| 11:03.03 | solars | xingu, are you using cpudyn ? |
| 11:03.08 | liable | geo-rge: i am just wondering how i am supposed to react to capitals. do i THINK them louder? |
| 11:03.13 | xingu | solars: yep |
| 11:03.14 | ericP | ok. that's enough time trying to squeeze a couple seconds off a dist-upgrade |
| 11:03.14 | geo-rge | I cn'ant help that... use a different client... like ftp |
| 11:03.19 | xingu | solars: err sorry no; I was |
| 11:03.31 | solars | xingu, what are you using now? :) |
| 11:03.35 | xingu | solars: using cpufreq now |
| 11:03.46 | gallus | geo-rge: no what I'm saying is that that was the problem |
| 11:03.51 | gallus | geo-rge: thanks |
| 11:04.05 | geo-rge | liable: YOW! it's a ZIPPYISM! |
| 11:04.10 | solars | xingu, ah, just wanted to ask if you prefer cpudyn over cpufreq :) |
| 11:04.16 | xingu | solars: no real reason especially, current notebook supports centrino scaling and the out-of-box for cpufreqd works with that |
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| 11:04.40 | liable | or the smarter kernel governors |
| 11:04.42 | xingu | solars: on the old piii, it only supported t-states so I used cpudyn - again the out-of-box worked well |
| 11:04.52 | geo-rge | gallus: oh, it no longer crashes? note, perhaps the reason(s) why it's crashing is in the logs |
| 11:05.22 | solars | xingu, ah I see |
| 11:05.35 | gallus | geo-rge: I have changed ftp client ;) bye see you soon it launch time :) |
| 11:05.59 | geo-rge | uhoh! launch time! they're shooting at us!! |
| 11:06.36 | xingu | solars: curiously enough, despite what you'll find on google, even t-states on the old hardware gave me a noticable thermal and audible difference |
| 11:07.05 | geo-rge | gallus: good luck... and watch your logs :) |
| 11:07.07 | CharminTheMoose | question:How can i upgrade a package but yet 0b of diskspace is used when it's installed?wouldn't some things be deleted or more things added?? |
| 11:07.20 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: nope |
| 11:07.26 | solars | xingu, yeah, I read something about that |
| 11:07.32 | liable | CharminTheMoose: it replaces |
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| 11:07.49 | xingu | solars: not sure why that result differs, maybe something else was going on there in acpi-land in the different t-states; even if the bus and core weren't changing speed, maybe they were being asked to do less work and sleep more. |
| 11:08.03 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: its even possible that _noting_ at all changes for your specific architecture |
| 11:08.09 | liable | CharminTheMoose: its actually fairly rare for an upgrade to not take/give space though |
| 11:08.37 | valdyn | used to be common for X |
| 11:08.41 | solars | xingu, could be, yeah |
| 11:08.50 | solars | xingu, hard to measure exactly I think |
| 11:09.02 | xingu | solars: whatever, it's all an ever dimming memory now, centrino scaling and conservative governor works ferpect. |
| 11:09.15 | solars | xingu, yeah, using that too |
| 11:09.18 | CharminTheMoose | well,the packages i upgraded were info and texinfo... |
| 11:09.23 | xingu | solars: only really using cpufreq to bound the ranges for both vs load |
| 11:09.41 | xingu | solars: no point allowing full throttle unless there's a heavy, sustained load going on |
| 11:09.45 | geo-rge | we have a conservative governor... I don't think he works well |
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| 11:09.58 | solars | xingu, yeah I'm using it in the same way, works pretty good |
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| 11:10.40 | admin123 | What good editors are there? |
| 11:10.45 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: some source packages generate several ( or even alot ) of binary packages, one tiny change in source might not affect all of those packages, for instance |
| 11:11.14 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 11:11.44 | geo-rge | admin123: depends on your application... what do you want to edit |
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| 11:12.06 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: ..or a change in the build system will generate a new package while your binary packages stays same for your arch |
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| 11:13.16 | CharminTheMoose | ok,thanks valdyn |
| 11:13.35 | admin123 | geo-rge, i want it to have bash syntax support and for anyother langua it has to be easy, and advanced, it has to have spell corrections preferred build in gtk, and it has to be extenisble |
| 11:14.39 | geo-rge | I guess emacs or vim |
| 11:14.45 | valdyn | vim-gtk |
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| 11:14.48 | valdyn | vim-gnome |
| 11:14.59 | valdyn | or was it gnome-vim.. whatever |
| 11:15.11 | geo-rge | emacs being extendable in lisp |
| 11:15.43 | valdyn | or gedit |
| 11:15.58 | DimmuR | any ideas when new debian stable comes out? |
| 11:16.03 | valdyn | !wir |
| 11:16.03 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:16.17 | admin123 | When I ghost(norton) my current debian hd, to another machien which has another videocard, how do I make it do some magic and customize X automaticly? |
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| 11:16.36 | geo-rge | new debian is already out! it's called sarge! |
| 11:16.39 | valdyn | DimmuR: follow bugs.debian.org/release-critical. When rc bug count is 0 its released |
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| 11:16.57 | DimmuR | valdyn, thanks |
| 11:17.05 | H3g3m0n | admin123: dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server (not too sure about the package name) |
| 11:17.06 | geo-rge | really? I thought they test it more than that |
| 11:17.24 | valdyn | geo-rge: bug count is not a testing method |
| 11:17.26 | geo-rge | they dont go thru a testing phase when rcs go to zero? |
| 11:17.28 | admin123 | H3g3m0n, fully autmatic, that's non interactive, which is the oposite of what you said. |
| 11:17.30 | blondie | it's due out tomorrow! (or it was) |
| 11:17.38 | geo-rge | valdyn: exactly |
| 11:17.44 | H3g3m0n | admin123: try 'dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive xserver-xorg' |
| 11:17.48 | geo-rge | that was going to be my point |
| 11:17.50 | centrx | geo-rge All this software is currently used by thousands of people |
| 11:17.58 | geo-rge | and? |
| 11:18.00 | cydork | blondie: current bug count 158 :) |
| 11:18.09 | centrx | geo-rge what better way to test is there? |
| 11:18.10 | geo-rge | who actually tests it? |
| 11:18.11 | valdyn | geo-rge: there's a frozen period, bug count goes to zero during that time |
| 11:18.18 | valdyn | geo-rge: you and me test it |
| 11:18.28 | valdyn | geo-rge: or.. anyone who feels like it |
| 11:18.37 | blondie | but... |
| 11:18.46 | blondie | geo-rge: users of "testing" do. |
| 11:19.01 | admin123 | H3g3m0n, it's set to vesa, but when I inovke that command it keeps it on vesa instead of chaning driver name to 'via'. |
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| 11:19.32 | geo-rge | I understand to a degree how that helps... but do all these testers including me and you and a dog named boo submit reports? |
| 11:19.44 | valdyn | geo-rge: nope |
| 11:19.57 | valdyn | geo-rge: do all Vista beta testers submit reports? |
| 11:19.58 | geo-rge | then how does that help exactly? :) |
| 11:20.14 | centrx | geo-rge There are still hundreds that do |
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| 11:20.26 | blondie | well if they don't report bugs, then the bugs don't exist ;0 |
| 11:20.32 | H3g3m0n | admin123: Maybe try removing the old xorg.conf file, otherwise maybe its just auto-detecting the vesa driver by default since its the most universal/useable one |
| 11:20.47 | geo-rge | blondie: well, ok, thanks for playing :) |
| 11:20.49 | aredhel | geo-rge, I don't submit reports but thats because every time I go to do it some one has beaten me to it. |
| 11:21.07 | valdyn | geo-rge: unreported rc bugs stay in debian forever ( or till that software goes away or till that bug is fixed by incident ) |
| 11:21.53 | admin123 | H3g3m0n, yeah but i can do that with sed ... |
| 11:21.56 | valdyn | geo-rge: so its pretty easy to find bugs in debian by testing packages that ( almost ) no one uses |
| 11:22.02 | admin123 | H3g3m0n, the point is that it detects the correct one |
| 11:22.11 | geo-rge | I don't just mean bug reports... I mean more like reports that show testing results |
| 11:22.25 | xingu | valdyn: or by testing them on an ip6 native transport |
| 11:22.40 | centrx | geo-rge like difficulty with the user interface? |
| 11:22.43 | valdyn | xingu: that's a bug? |
| 11:22.49 | valdyn | xingu: that's an rc bug? |
| 11:23.13 | valdyn | privoxy has to go away then.. |
| 11:23.22 | solars | liable, which laptop-tools script did you mean ? |
| 11:23.50 | valdyn | geo-rge: no one cares for testing reports if they dont bring useful bug reports |
| 11:24.06 | geo-rge | centrx: well yes... but the way you have this defined at the moment, ui difficulty doesn't constitute an important bug |
| 11:24.17 | H3g3m0n | admin123: Yeh xorg autodetect is a bit screwy, my monitor is detected as having a 1680x1680 resolution (Ubuntu though) |
| 11:24.28 | valdyn | geo-rge: important maybe, rrelease critical, no |
| 11:24.40 | centrx | geo-rge there is more testing like this for the installer, because very few people use the installer before release |
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| 11:24.55 | geo-rge | I think more like testing functionality of something |
| 11:25.04 | admin123 | H3g3m0n, ifr there was a way to just check driver i Would just sed the modivccatins |
| 11:25.13 | centrx | geo-rge But otherwise there are maybe perhaps 100,000's machines running the software before release |
| 11:25.29 | geo-rge | like running the test wuite for a new perl and submitting that result |
| 11:25.47 | centrx | geo-rge That is already done by the upstream provider, etc. |
| 11:25.51 | geo-rge | as a sortof bad example (because I'm pretty sure that's done) |
| 11:26.06 | geo-rge | but that's more what I mean |
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| 11:26.37 | centrx | geo-rge For Debian-specific packages the maintainers will do a lot of testing like that, but otherwise all the software in Debian has already been tested to whatever extent and released by someone else before being included in Debian |
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| 11:27.08 | geo-rge | of one version or anotther :) |
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| 11:27.27 | centrx | geo-rge If the Perl group and Red Hat have already done that sort of functionality testing, there's no |
| 11:27.48 | centrx | geo-rge The versions that are released in the stable release are the older versions |
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| 11:29.33 | centrx | geo-rge So, yes, there's no formal testing, but it's possible for bugs to get by for any case, and the most essential packages are the packages being used by the most people in the most situations |
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| 11:29.53 | centrx | geo-rge Perl is used by everyone |
| 11:30.22 | plutonas | to play mp3's on my sarge box, what do i need in addition to mpg123? |
| 11:30.31 | centrx | geo-rge and if a function doesn't work it is going to be noticed by one of the millions of people using it |
| 11:30.35 | centrx | plutonas a sound card? |
| 11:31.07 | geo-rge | a supported sound card :) |
| 11:31.09 | plutonas | centrx: i have a sound card |
| 11:31.15 | blondie | speakers/headphones |
| 11:31.19 | centrx | geo-rge and the Debian maintainers for Perl would be involved with the upstream providers and their bug reporting system, so if there was a bug in the old version, and Debian is still using the old version, that bug can be patched |
| 11:31.20 | plutonas | i mean what libriries |
| 11:31.25 | plutonas | a supported |
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| 11:31.29 | Sardu | hello |
| 11:31.30 | plutonas | lol |
| 11:31.32 | geo-rge | and ears! don't forget ears! |
| 11:31.34 | centrx | plutonas does sound otherwise work? |
| 11:31.45 | plutonas | yes |
| 11:31.58 | blondie | geo-rge: you could play music without ears, you just wouldn't hear it ;) |
| 11:31.59 | centrx | plutonas then apt-get install and it should just work |
| 11:32.04 | plutonas | centrx: i installed mplayr to a friends laptop |
| 11:32.14 | plutonas | and then mpg123 |
| 11:32.16 | geo-rge | blondie: you wouldmn |
| 11:32.24 | plutonas | and it doesnt play mp3's |
| 11:32.35 | MoDaX | damn fontconfig upgrade changed font rendering again |
| 11:32.35 | geo-rge | 't make a good soundcard driver tester without ears! |
| 11:32.40 | centrx | plutonas is the sound muted? |
| 11:32.53 | plutonas | i dont think so |
| 11:33.01 | centrx | plutonas try alsamixer |
| 11:33.02 | geo-rge | time to check to make sure! |
| 11:33.17 | plutonas | ok |
| 11:34.12 | geo-rge | you said your card otherwise works... anyuthing in linux in "otherwise"? |
| 11:35.27 | plutonas | yes |
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| 11:36.01 | geo-rge | could you give a coupla examples of sound things that work in linux? |
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| 11:36.39 | plutonas | geo-rge: it is not on my laptop and the friend whose it is just logged off |
| 11:36.45 | plutonas | :P |
| 11:36.51 | plutonas | he sais it works |
| 11:36.55 | Spliffste1 | hi ... is there a tool to measure network troughput ? |
| 11:36.58 | plutonas | wait a bit and i will tell you |
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| 11:37.29 | geo-rge | well ok... tell the others tho, because I have to sleep now :) |
| 11:37.43 | plutonas | ok, gnight |
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| 11:39.12 | geo-rge | gnite... n gluck |
| 11:39.39 | Spliffste1 | i am looking for a tool to measure network speed ... any idea ? |
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| 11:40.17 | H3g3m0n | Spliffste1: slurm is a nice simple one |
| 11:40.39 | H3g3m0n | Spliffste1: Otherwise there is iftop and iptraf for a bit more indepth sutff |
| 11:40.54 | Spliffste1 | H3g3m0n: yay thank you |
| 11:41.05 | H3g3m0n | nps |
| 11:41.22 | Spliffste1 | i just got my fist gigabit switch and nics .... just think they are running in 100mbit mode |
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| 11:44.48 | xingu | Spliffste1: what does mii-tool say? |
| 11:45.37 | Sardu | I'm trying to mount more than 8 loop file systems. I have added to grub menu.lst file the words "max_loop=64" in the "kernel" line. I have also create the devices doing "for i in $(seq 8 63) ; do mknod /dev/loop$i b 7 $i ; done" and "chmod 660 /dev/loop* ; chown 0.disk /dev/loop*". If I try to mount more than 8 loop file system, I get an error "mount: could not find any free loop device". If I do "mount -o loop=/dev/loop34 /disk-images/di1 /home/tmp", |
| 11:45.50 | Sardu | I get the error "/dev/loop34: file not found" |
| 11:46.09 | Sardu | and /dev/loop34 exists. |
| 11:46.25 | Sardu | What are happening?? |
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| 11:46.48 | Sardu | Could anybody tell me what Im doing wrong? |
| 11:46.52 | Niels- | Hello. I've jsut installed pure-ftpd via apt and I chose to manage the service via inetd. I've configured inetd.conf but I always get a 421 Service not available when connecting the ftp server. Has anybody an idea on what is the problem ? |
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| 11:47.51 | wols | have you restarted inetd? is somethging (inetd) listening on port 21? |
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| 11:48.13 | Niels- | Yes i've killed -HUP inetd and netstat output something listening on 21 |
| 11:48.35 | wols | then pure-ftpd is not properly configured |
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| 11:49.19 | Niels- | there is nothing in the pure-ftpd log folder :/ |
| 11:50.00 | Niels- | oh syslog shows a neat error |
| 11:50.06 | Niels- | pure-ftpd: (?@?) [ERROR] Unable to switch capabilities : Operation not permitted |
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| 11:51.02 | Niels- | damn. a modprobe capability has solved the problem. sorry for that |
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| 11:53.17 | russruss | hey guys, I'm having kind of a dumb problem, when I try to run a file from an unmounted smb share in kaffeine (with a xine backend) or in totem (with a gstreamer backend), I get errors! I'm in unstable. I googled it for a bit and apparently there's a problem with the more recent versions of gnome-vfs, but I found nothing on why kaffeine wouldn't work. Any ideas? |
| 11:53.53 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.59 | wols | grrr |
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| 11:56.32 | war95 | Anyone here have a core duo running Linux? |
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| 11:57.41 | Malagmyr_ | My apache 2 server apparently allows "GET,HEAD,POST,OPTIONS,TRACE" (output from OPTIONS / HTTP/1.1). My apache 1.3 server didn't support POST. Is this bad? Should I disable it? Security issues? |
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| 11:59.03 | xingu | war95: core2duo any help? |
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| 11:59.50 | war95 | xingu: 892] How do I calculate PI to 5000 decimal points? $ time echo "scale=5000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l -q |
| 11:59.55 | war95 | xingu: what time do you get for that benchmark? |
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| 12:01.05 | ohcan | hi to all |
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| 12:01.47 | xingu | war95: it's a single threaded benchmark, so you'll be measuring flatline performance on a single core only, but stand by, running now |
| 12:02.13 | CharminTheMoose | damn power failure |
| 12:02.49 | war95 | xingu: I understand |
| 12:02.51 | H3g3m0n | "real 0m59.925s" For my crappy 3000+ =) |
| 12:03.25 | war95 | H3g3m0n: hehe |
| 12:03.32 | xingu | war95: 1m5.758 @ 1.3GHz, I'll just step up the speedstep governor |
| 12:03.59 | war95 | ah |
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| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'XTest.h in' returned no results. |
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| 12:06.02 | Decepticon | im compiling Wine 0.9.26 on debian sarge |
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| 12:06.29 | Decepticon | hopefully it works... i took time to find the dependencies and all |
| 12:06.31 | liable | dpkg: you going crazy? |
| 12:07.10 | xingu | war95: ok just restarting now @2GHz |
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| 12:07.51 | xingu | war95: 0m44s |
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| 12:08.52 | Malagmyr_ | How can I run a shoutcast server on debian? Any precompiled packages I can use, or do I have to do it myself? |
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| 12:09.30 | xingu | Malagmyr_: icecast |
| 12:09.44 | whadar | How can I enable compiz for one user and xgl for another user on the same computer? |
| 12:10.05 | Malagmyr_ | xingu: (from apt-cache show icecast) NOTE: The Debian version of DarkIce is only compiled with Ogg Vorbis support due to patent reasons and will therefor only work with IceCast2 servers! |
| 12:10.17 | whadar | oh and one regular X for the third user... |
| 12:10.51 | liable | whadar: compiz is a wm, not server, so, start xorg on :0, xgl on :1? |
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| 12:11.20 | Malagmyr_ | Shouldn't that be "therefore" btw? |
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| 12:11.43 | xingu | Malagmyr_: icecast2 in sid doesn't have a similar note; is that any use? |
| 12:12.29 | Malagmyr_ | xingu: I can probably get that, then. or recompile it. thanks |
| 12:12.31 | xingu | in fact neither does icecast-server |
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| 12:12.52 | whadar | liable: :0 :1? |
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| 12:12.58 | xingu | Malagmyr: in fact neither does icecast-server |
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| 12:16.02 | earthian | hello |
| 12:16.28 | earthian | when i upgrade/install new font packages i get messages like this: |
| 12:16.29 | earthian | Setting up linux-libertine (2.2.0-2) ... |
| 12:16.29 | earthian | /var/cache/fontconfig: invalid cache file: 3830d5c3ddfd5cd38a049b759396e72e-x86.cache-2 |
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| 12:16.40 | earthian | and a lot of those /var/cache... |
| 12:16.45 | earthian | how do i fix it? |
| 12:17.03 | earthian | btw i have amd64 kernel which is not only x86 |
| 12:17.08 | earthian | :S |
| 12:17.09 | CharminTheMoose | oh my this is funny |
| 12:17.21 | CharminTheMoose | http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/bans |
| 12:17.27 | CharminTheMoose | i'm in there as well. |
| 12:17.42 | CharminTheMoose | my faveroutie one so far is crapz0rs request to be kicked |
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| 12:20.10 | liable | yes, we all love kingsley |
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| 12:22.44 | liable | it is quite hilarious to read the bans though |
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| 12:24.34 | liable | i guess i must miss all the fun when .us is awake |
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| 12:26.52 | Abe | maybe they miss the fun when we're awake also :) |
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| 12:28.32 | blondie | how can I see how much memory a particular process is using? |
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| 12:28.40 | earthian | hm.. thanks for the right atmosphere here! i fixed the problem with font caches by removing the cache files and running fc-cache to regenerate all. now there are no x86 files there anymore :) |
| 12:28.45 | liable | blondie: top |
| 12:28.51 | blondie | it's not listed in top |
| 12:28.54 | valdyn | blondie: top, hit M |
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| 12:29.36 | valdyn | actualy Shift-M |
| 12:29.48 | blondie | M is shift M :) |
| 12:29.57 | earthian | blondie, top hit a z and x and then navigate throu colums with shift+. and , (< and >) |
| 12:30.08 | blondie | but top won't do anyway |
| 12:30.12 | blondie | I want to do it from a script |
| 12:30.17 | earthian | oh |
| 12:30.42 | earthian | top | grep <pocessname> ? |
| 12:30.44 | earthian | :) |
| 12:31.00 | blondie | no, top doesn't work that way |
| 12:31.03 | earthian | or better use ps |
| 12:31.05 | liable | ps |
| 12:31.29 | earthian | blondie, top works that way... but maybe the result is not the one you need :) |
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| 12:31.37 | blondie | earthian: no it doesn't |
| 12:31.53 | earthian | it does |
| 12:31.57 | blondie | no it doesn't |
| 12:31.58 | earthian | returns smth like this: |
| 12:31.59 | earthian | fostral:/var/cache# top | grep Xorg |
| 12:31.59 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.07 | earthian | and thats the only line |
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| 12:32.34 | blondie | "top | grep java" outputs nothing |
| 12:32.37 | blondie | but the program is running :P |
| 12:33.23 | earthian | well maybe the name is not "java" ? |
| 12:33.33 | blondie | yes it is, like I said it doesn't work that wayu |
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| 12:33.47 | earthian | anyway.. it worked for me with Xorg :p |
| 12:33.58 | blondie | it won't work for anything that isn't listed when you type "top" |
| 12:34.03 | blondie | which is not a complete list |
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| 12:34.28 | valdyn | blondie: that is what < and > is for |
| 12:34.47 | blondie | doesn't work with group though, does it. |
| 12:35.02 | blondie | and doesn't work in a script |
| 12:35.11 | e-food | blondie, just use ps |
| 12:35.18 | valdyn | blondie: top isnt the right tool for scripts anyway |
| 12:35.19 | e-food | ps aux | grep something |
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| 12:37.10 | stoned | good morning |
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| 12:43.27 | blondie | I don't see how to get ps to display memory usage except as a % |
| 12:43.33 | xingu | top -p `pgrep -d, 'pattern'` |
| 12:43.43 | xingu | do I have to do everything around here? :) |
| 12:44.06 | weggpod | I want share an ext3 partition between all my users, someone can help me ? |
| 12:44.56 | blondie | xingu: still not what i want... I want memory usage in MB not as a % |
| 12:44.57 | xingu | pgrep -fd, if you're being particularly fancy |
| 12:45.00 | blondie | and that's not scriptable |
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| 12:45.33 | wishkah | I've got a MS USB-mouse that I try to use with my notebook, it works for two of my USB ports (1.1 uhci_hcd) but lags and is "jumpy" when I plug it into my USB 2.0 port (ehci_hcd) |
| 12:45.44 | TolstoyInLove | weggpod, if all user have linux use NFS and for windows client use SAMBA |
| 12:46.07 | weggpod | TolstoyInLove, on the same computer |
| 12:46.08 | xingu | blondie: ps -o vsz= -p `pgrep -fd, 'pattern'` |
| 12:46.14 | castoff | blondie, like /proc/meminfo? |
| 12:46.29 | xingu | blondie: or whatever. |
| 12:46.33 | weggpod | i try to edit /etc/fstab, but it doesn't work |
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| 12:47.07 | blondie | xingu: right, thanks |
| 12:47.08 | blondie | castoff: no |
| 12:47.28 | TolstoyInLove | weggpod, place all off user in same group |
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| 12:47.49 | weggpod | TolstoyInLove, i do this |
| 12:47.51 | TolstoyInLove | weggpod, and change permission of mount point with chown -R |
| 12:48.13 | weggpod | I do this too, but it doesn't work |
| 12:48.54 | TolstoyInLove | weggpod, and change chmod gu+w |
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| 12:50.06 | TolstoyInLove | weggpod, chmod ug+w <mount point> -R |
| 12:51.04 | weggpod | TolstoyInLove, thx it's good |
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| 12:55.17 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:55.18 | dpkg | i guess qotd80 is <toresbe> Holy shit! <toresbe> My Ultra 1 is streaming kernel panics! <toresbe> oh crap - It's the BSOD screensaver <toresbe> I fall for that motherfucker every time |
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| 12:59.24 | CharminTheMoose | how do i set how much memory agpgart takes up? |
| 12:59.40 | Vich | what do I do if something won't compile because it's missing a c header |
| 12:59.45 | Vich | i.e. io.h: No such file or directory |
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| 12:59.56 | Vich | I've got build-essentials |
| 12:59.59 | CharminTheMoose | get the c header? |
| 13:00.04 | Vich | from where? |
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| 13:00.19 | Vich | how can I tell what package it's from :s |
| 13:00.22 | Vich | or w/e |
| 13:00.30 | CharminTheMoose | maybe you gotta set where the headers are |
| 13:00.35 | CharminTheMoose | i dunno |
| 13:00.43 | Vich | hmm |
| 13:00.51 | Gnea | Vich: install the -dev package |
| 13:01.13 | Vich | I thought I did |
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| 13:01.21 | Gnea | check it again |
| 13:01.23 | Vich | what's the full package name? |
| 13:01.36 | liable | Vich: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:01.42 | Gnea | how would i know? |
| 13:02.05 | liable | cause your uber l337? |
| 13:02.20 | liable | that was silly |
| 13:02.37 | liable | Vich: learn to search p.d.o or apt-file or whatever |
| 13:02.38 | CharminTheMoose | how do i set how much memory agpgart takes up? |
| 13:02.46 | Vich | cool |
| 13:02.54 | Vich | thanks liable |
| 13:03.00 | liable | no worries |
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| 13:05.03 | ericP | mince, i dist-upgraded and now emacs-snapshot doesn't find gnuserv or ediff |
| 13:05.18 | ericP | i feel like i'm using vi |
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| 13:06.30 | liable | thats a *good* thing :P |
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| 13:07.03 | pheer | is there any mp3 encoders that ship with debian sarge ?? |
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| 13:08.54 | liable | pheer: toolame |
| 13:09.11 | liable | pheer: take a look at debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:09.37 | pheer | liable: ok thanks! |
| 13:09.51 | liable | pheer: my bad, toolame doesnt do mp3 |
| 13:10.08 | liable | pheer: check that web site, its got all the multimedia goodies |
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| 13:10.49 | H3g3m0n | I just aptitude installed mediawiki, where is it (not /var/www) ? |
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| 13:11.19 | liable | H3g3m0n: how about trying the docs? |
| 13:11.38 | liable | H3g3m0n: /usr/share/doc/mediawiki |
| 13:11.46 | h3sp4wn | H3g3m0n: dpkg -L mediawiki (will probably make it obvious) |
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| 13:12.13 | H3g3m0n | ta |
| 13:13.44 | khaleel5000 | hi everyooooone..... I have debian etch and pclinux , i am a n000b on debian etch I did a base and desktop install. then also installed kde (i use kde -prefer it over gnome) but the thing is that its SLOWER IN BOOTUP AND PERFORMANCE in comparision to PCLINUX now i know its because I CANNOT tweak it (as it has no gui control center -to control stuff of distro like boot up services etc so how do i TWEAK my debian etch ? like bootup services , how to c |
| 13:13.45 | khaleel5000 | ontrol if i want a GUI login manager or CLI etc? |
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| 13:14.36 | petemc | n |
| 13:15.01 | liable | !services |
| 13:15.02 | dpkg | i heard services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 13:15.13 | liable | not that it'll really make much difference |
| 13:15.36 | khaleel5000 | so how to I tweak my system ? |
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| 13:16.40 | liable | what the hell do you mean by 'tweak'? |
| 13:16.44 | vin` | khaleel5000: you'd be better off reading debian-reference, http://qref.sourceforge.net/ |
| 13:16.59 | mooed | disable maybe? |
| 13:18.09 | H3g3m0n | khaleel5000: If you recompile your kernel, you can decrease the USB mouse polling rate from 10ms to 2ms for a much more accurate mouse!!!! |
| 13:18.39 | liable | apt-build world! CFLAGS!?!? |
| 13:18.59 | khaleel5000 | liable, well tweak mean well I dont know that either (ok dont kick me yet for spamming ) i mean there must be some difference why Pclinuxos loads faster than Debian etch ....whats that? (what should that THING be? |
| 13:19.03 | ericP | best use -g -Od for that as i expect trouble building the whole world |
| 13:19.18 | khaleel5000 | H3g3m0n, i have ps2 mouse....thanks |
| 13:19.44 | H3g3m0n | I did the whole Gentoo CFLAG ubercustomkernel --OMGOPTOMIZE thing, it ran slower than stock Ubuntu for most stuff |
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| 13:20.17 | liable | khaleel5000: unfortunately, i cant really say why pclinux boots faster. i don know that debian kernels with initrd's take a wee bit longer to boot, but other than that, dunno |
| 13:20.23 | Decepticon | its taking me forever to compile wine |
| 13:20.30 | Decepticon | how long does it usually take |
| 13:20.41 | liable | forever+1? |
| 13:21.39 | liable | Decepticon: depends on your hardware of course, how long is a piece of string? |
| 13:21.42 | khaleel5000 | liable, well frannkly i am really like its QUESTION OF THE YEAR for me why different distros debian, pclinuxos , slackware load in diffent times (i even used same config to compile same version of kernels on slakcware and pclinuxos but they had TIME difference) |
| 13:22.09 | H3g3m0n | khaleel5000: If boot speed is an issue, google up initng |
| 13:22.17 | liable | khaleel5000: that sounds like something you need to write a blog about! :) |
| 13:22.56 | Decepticon | im on a celeron 996.995 mhz, 128mb ram |
| 13:22.56 | khaleel5000 | liable, i dont blog :( |
| 13:22.56 | liable | khaleel5000: so write a 'paper' then :P |
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| 13:23.08 | khaleel5000 | liable, will rather prefer 'leaves' ...me a herbal kida guy |
| 13:23.11 | liable | or just find out and let the world know somehow |
| 13:23.17 | khaleel5000 | H3g3m0n, its initrd or init or initng as you said |
| 13:23.27 | khaleel5000 | liable, that I will |
| 13:23.32 | khaleel5000 | liable, --if i find out |
| 13:23.44 | liable | theres some fancy new init thing that ubuntu is trying, google it and let us know |
| 13:23.48 | H3g3m0n | khaleel5000: initng as i said |
| 13:23.49 | abrotman | Decepticon: why are you compiling it ? |
| 13:24.04 | Decepticon | because the one that apt shells out is ancient |
| 13:24.14 | Decepticon | and the backport, i cant figure out what dependency problems i have |
| 13:24.19 | H3g3m0n | I gotta get around to compiling wine so i can get my mouse courser in guild wars :/ |
| 13:24.29 | abrotman | so you thought you'd compile and make it worse ? |
| 13:24.34 | khaleel5000 | H3g3m0n, liable vin` thnaks |
| 13:24.43 | H3g3m0n | nps |
| 13:25.01 | Decepticon | well, at least i know what im missing, when i compile it and try to fix it.. .becaue theres error messages... the backport just wants to yell a error and dies |
| 13:25.19 | Decepticon | and i cant really point to what could be wrong... since google doesnt have much on it |
| 13:25.25 | abrotman | golly .. maybe you should ask us about the backport error .. and ask #winehq how long it takes to compile |
| 13:25.42 | abrotman | just show us the error |
| 13:25.51 | abrotman | i'm going to guess you didn't follow the instructions |
| 13:26.09 | H3g3m0n | Normally takes me about 1/3 an hour for wine, maby as long as 1+1/2 |
| 13:26.31 | H3g3m0n | s/1\/3/1\/2/g |
| 13:26.42 | Decepticon | abrotman |
| 13:26.49 | abrotman | Decepticon |
| 13:26.56 | Decepticon | i suppose ill paste it in #flood |
| 13:27.00 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:27.01 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:27.23 | jerome | hi all, I installed a fresh sid on my lappy after a hd crash but quite oddly, iceweasel doesn't start up anymore. When strace'd it shows the following and dies. http://channels.debian.net/paste/4686 |
| 13:27.37 | jerome | any idea ? |
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| 13:27.50 | Decepticon | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4687 |
| 13:28.01 | Decepticon | ah damn, i didnt get to save the whole error message..... |
| 13:28.04 | jerome | I already tried moving my profile, etc. |
| 13:28.06 | Decepticon | just caught that bit. |
| 13:28.29 | Decepticon | then i think it said something about unable to start debugger, and farted and quit on me |
| 13:28.36 | abrotman | jerome: anything in the BTS ? |
| 13:28.51 | abrotman | Decepticon: yeah .. that might help :) |
| 13:29.00 | jerome | abrotman: didn't find anything. |
| 13:29.43 | Decepticon | what instructions could i have missed, abrotman? |
| 13:29.54 | abrotman | the ones at backport.org |
| 13:29.57 | liable | jerome: tried disabling all plugins? |
| 13:29.58 | Decepticon | all there was on the backports site, was about making hte /etc/apt/preferences |
| 13:30.05 | Decepticon | and i did that for wine and libwine... |
| 13:30.07 | abrotman | Decepticon: and you did that ? |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:30.41 | Decepticon | im sorry i dont have the complete error.... do you know if it might in some log somewhere? |
| 13:30.49 | craigevil | jerome: did you try to start it in safe-mode |
| 13:31.03 | abrotman | what about wine-utils |
| 13:31.03 | Decepticon | i only googled for the first line... and it was open in my webpage before i eradicated the backport |
| 13:31.17 | Decepticon | i didnt apt wine-utils at all, backport or normal |
| 13:31.20 | abrotman | so install the backport again |
| 13:31.30 | biopyte | hi. occassionally i can observe theres a lot of network traffic going via my dsl-modem (the light is blinking), though i have no obvious processes running. what is the most handy tool to watch which ips are connected and what files are read or written? |
| 13:31.42 | Decepticon | ill try this compiled version first.. ive spent some time on it now. if it doesnt work then ill revert to the backport |
| 13:31.45 | mooed | tcpdump |
| 13:31.56 | abrotman | biopyte: jnettop is a decent visual way |
| 13:32.10 | abrotman | biopyte: be aware the light blinks for incoming traffic too |
| 13:32.15 | Decepticon | abrotman, any other packages i should apt-get for wine, backport to work? wine libwine wine-utils |
| 13:32.24 | biopyte | ok, i mean not a expert tool that overwhelmes you with too much info. |
| 13:32.28 | abrotman | not that i'm aware .. i stopped using wine a whie ago |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | biopyte: jnettop is a decent looking tool |
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| 13:33.01 | biopyte | mooed, abrotman, thank you |
| 13:33.10 | mooed | np :-) |
| 13:33.11 | jerome | craigevil: trying, same result. |
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| 13:34.30 | abrotman | jerome: does ltrace give more info ? |
| 13:34.36 | magnus | I have a problem with jed on my new debian system. Default is for jed not to show line numbers, but % number on what line I am on. Which I think is quite useless. Does anyone know how to configure jed back to the old behaviour where line numbers are shown? |
| 13:35.06 | abrotman | man jed ? |
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| 13:36.57 | magnus | Yeah, tried that. I think the problem is that the "fix" is so easy that there is no documentation on it. I have tried google too |
| 13:38.23 | biopyte | mooed,abrotman the tools you named display the connected ips. i guess it is not so trivial to find out what files (if any) they are reading or writing, right? |
| 13:39.07 | abrotman | biopyte: it's possible .. but i thought you wanted to analyze the traffic |
| 13:39.41 | biopyte | nonix4, just want to know who is connected and which files on the hdd are affected. |
| 13:39.47 | asg | biopyte: you might look at the dsniff tools also |
| 13:39.59 | biopyte | alright |
| 13:40.02 | liable | bah |
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| 13:50.44 | Monk- | hi, what is the rc.local equivalent in debian? |
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| 13:50.55 | sven_ | you can make your own |
| 13:51.06 | Monk- | how? |
| 13:51.09 | sven_ | there isn't one available directly, really |
| 13:51.13 | asg | Monk-: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 13:52.19 | Monk- | ok, cool. thanks asg |
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| 13:53.34 | dbe | In which directory should I put files that is being downloaded by CVS? |
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| 13:53.56 | dbe | /usr/local/ |
| 13:53.57 | dbe | ? |
| 13:54.06 | asg | dbe: what are you downloading? |
| 13:54.13 | dbe | asg, Emacs. |
| 13:54.20 | asg | dbe: why not just apt-get install it? |
| 13:54.30 | dbe | asg, That was not the question. |
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| 13:56.14 | asg | dbe: then read hier(7) |
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| 13:58.48 | dbe | Is it safe to run CVS as root? |
| 13:59.37 | Monk- | one last question. does bootmisc.sh run by default? |
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| 14:00.20 | static_x_ | does anyone know how i can sort my graphics out as it looks all screwed up. Is there an option in kde to change some settings? |
| 14:00.28 | Monk- | i mean, in all runlevels? |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | look in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 14:01.06 | Decepticon | abrotman, i am also getting a similiar message with the compiled version of wine 0.9.26 |
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| 14:01.12 | wathek | hello |
| 14:01.14 | Decepticon | so i went back to the backports version |
| 14:01.28 | abrotman | ok |
| 14:01.29 | Decepticon | and this time i got wine-utils. and im getting a similar message about wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to 0x003ffd80 at address 0x608b77fe (thread 001b), starting debugger... |
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| 14:01.41 | abrotman | did you actually make uninstall your compiled wine ? |
| 14:01.45 | Decepticon | yes |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | Decepticon: perhaps it's the applications you're triyng to run ? |
| 14:02.08 | Decepticon | utorrent.exe ? |
| 14:02.08 | abrotman | or your wine config |
| 14:02.15 | Decepticon | im using vanilla configs |
| 14:02.19 | abrotman | you're using wine to run a torrent program ? |
| 14:02.19 | asg | dbe: it is not generally advised |
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| 14:02.50 | Decepticon | yes i am |
| 14:02.59 | abrotman | why? |
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| 14:03.08 | Decepticon | i am familiar with it |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | that's just silly |
| 14:03.28 | Decepticon | well i do want a working wine program, regardless of how i use it |
| 14:03.40 | abrotman | Decepticon: try another windows program .. |
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| 14:05.41 | Gnea | okay, the debian docs for setting up netbooting are inaccurate |
| 14:06.27 | static_x_ | cam anyone see what i'm writting? |
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| 14:06.42 | petemc | Gnea: how so? |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | static_x_: you're writing stuff? |
| 14:07.39 | asg | abrotman: no, he's writting |
| 14:07.48 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 14:07.55 | Gnea | petemc: it's not booting. the client is offerred an ip, but it doesn't jump over to tftp |
| 14:08.22 | petemc | Gnea: and that means the docs are wrong? interesting logic |
| 14:08.40 | petemc | Gnea: i suppose its out of the question that you've done something wrong? |
| 14:08.41 | dvs | petemc: we don't know what we're saying. ;-) |
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| 14:08.48 | Gnea | petemc: yeah, since i followed them |
| 14:08.52 | static_x_ | thought i was a ghost for one moment then |
| 14:09.10 | static_x_ | how can i change my graphics settings? |
| 14:09.26 | asg | static_x_: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 14:09.27 | dvs | static_x_: change the resolution? |
| 14:09.52 | Decepticon | im getting pretty much the same error for iexplore.exe, vlc.exe on wine 0.9.20 backport debian on debian sarge: wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to 0x003ffd80 at address 0x60c787fe (thread 0029), starting debugger... |
| 14:10.09 | static_x_ | all the colors are messed up |
| 14:10.21 | static_x_ | i think i need to change the drivers or something |
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| 14:10.49 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 14:10.49 | itchi | Decepticon: Why want you MS iexplorer.exe when you have better tools |
| 14:10.49 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 14:11.04 | Gnea | petemc: the remote system boots up, gets offered the static ip that's been assigned to it, and that's it. |
| 14:11.09 | abrotman | Decepticon: did you ask #winehq ? |
| 14:11.39 | Decepticon | yes |
| 14:11.49 | Decepticon | im just testing diff apps. theyre all returning the same error |
| 14:11.56 | Decepticon | which is pretty telling theres something wrong with my install |
| 14:12.15 | Gnea | petemc: oh well fuckit, i need sleep anyway |
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| 14:12.51 | Quintin | itchi: it's 'IEXPLORE.EXE' |
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| 14:13.11 | itchi | Quintin: More crazy to use that |
| 14:13.15 | abrotman | where's my proof ? |
| 14:13.18 | Quintin | Decepticon: btw, use 'ies4linux' |
| 14:13.24 | Quintin | abrotman: You'll get it when you get it. |
| 14:13.32 | abrotman | there is none ... |
| 14:13.34 | Quintin | I'm going to church shortly. |
| 14:13.39 | Decepticon | im not trying to use ie.... im just testing wine. and somethings up with it |
| 14:13.43 | Quintin | abrotman: I find your lack of faith disturbing. |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | Decepticon: try notepad :) |
| 14:13.47 | Decepticon | okay |
| 14:13.50 | Decepticon | thats a good idea |
| 14:13.56 | abrotman | Quintin: yeah .. you're going to church .. i'm not :) |
| 14:14.47 | petemc | kinky |
| 14:14.52 | Decepticon | hah, same crap error |
| 14:15.17 | Quintin | Decepticon: quit trying to be special and use the regular version like everyone else. or compile latest from src |
| 14:15.23 | Decepticon | i did both |
| 14:15.24 | Quintin | I am now going to pwn some noobs in trem |
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| 14:15.41 | Decepticon | latest from src gave same error. regular version is crap. so im updating |
| 14:15.58 | Decepticon | hmmm |
| 14:16.10 | H3g3m0n | How would i go about telling apt-get install mythtv-database my correct mysql password? |
| 14:16.10 | abrotman | updating towhat ? |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | doesn't it ask for it ? |
| 14:16.40 | findme | H3g3m0n, #mythtv-users |
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| 14:17.38 | Decepticon | #winehq told me i dont have nptl |
| 14:17.49 | Decepticon | and that i should ask here about how to install it |
| 14:17.54 | Decepticon | any ideas? |
| 14:18.47 | Decepticon | native posix thread library |
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| 14:21.53 | abrotman | updatedb && locate nptl |
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| 14:23.21 | asg | Decepticon: install the libc6-686 package |
| 14:23.32 | Decepticon | alright, im working on it |
| 14:24.00 | Rydekull | !etch |
| 14:24.01 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
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| 14:25.39 | Decepticon | 'abrotman: that command shows me /usr/share/doc/libc6/ChangeLog.nptl.gz and /usr/share/doc/libc6/log-test-i486-linux-nptl.gz |
| 14:26.37 | Decepticon | asg, is that package available regularly via apt? i cant seem to find it |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | i'd think you have nptl |
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| 14:27.03 | abrotman | it's libc6-i686 |
| 14:27.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm having this problem when I try to burn a DVD: http://xs410.xs.to/xs410/06480/screenshot17.jpg |
| 14:27.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 14:28.44 | Decepticon | abrotman, how else can i check if i already have nptl or not? |
| 14:28.46 | abrotman | MORE COWBELL |
| 14:29.03 | abrotman | Decepticon: install libc6-i686 |
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| 14:29.18 | Decepticon | and try and run wine notepad.exe again? |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | you might have to reboot |
| 14:29.45 | Decepticon | okay ill be back in a few |
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| 14:31.16 | Slike | hello, i've got a little question: how do you check the exact bind9 version on a server you have direct/local access to? |
| 14:31.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | hello? :) |
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| 14:32.29 | petemc | Slike: named -v |
| 14:34.07 | Slike | another bind9 question: does dnssec-enable in named.conf.local work with a (standard) bind9? |
| 14:35.47 | static_x_ | what command launches kde gui? |
| 14:35.56 | asg | startkde |
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| 14:37.27 | abrotman | there is a #bind |
| 14:37.29 | static_x_ | cheers |
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| 14:39.17 | H3g3m0n | !find mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql in Etch |
| 14:39.26 | static_x_ | i just tried vesa as my video driver, but it does not seem to work. Does anyone know what would be the closest out of the selection for an intel integrated device? |
| 14:39.33 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql in' returned no results. |
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| 14:39.51 | asg | static_x_: try i810 |
| 14:40.12 | static_x_ | ok |
| 14:40.18 | H3g3m0n | !find mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql etch |
| 14:40.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql' (1): (/usr/share/mysql/mysql_fix_privilege_tables.sql) in misc/mysql-server-5.0. |
| 14:41.26 | Drakeson | I am not sure if this is a debian problem, texlive problem, or it's my lack of knowledge: I have installed some texlive packages (perhaps texlive-fonts-extra, ...) and so I have .tfm's and .vf's for fonts like optima, yet I am unable to use them in latex. actually dvips tries to run mktexpk without success. |
| 14:41.31 | static_x_ | asg : i810 does not seem to work neither |
| 14:41.51 | asg | static_x_: what resolution are you trying with vesa? |
| 14:42.13 | Decepticon | i guess i need more than just the libc6-i686 package for wine to work |
| 14:42.29 | static_x_ | 1024 x 768 or whatever it is |
| 14:42.58 | asg | static_x_: okay, what happens if you just type 'X' (paste the output in a pastebin) |
| 14:43.14 | abrotman | Decepticon: or ntpl has nothing to do with it :) |
| 14:43.29 | Decepticon | okay, ill ask #winehq again, then |
| 14:43.33 | abrotman | !tell H3g3m0n about search |
| 14:43.35 | static_x_ | asg : type x where, at the command prompt |
| 14:43.42 | |XO| | just got a great deal on the mio gps :) |
| 14:43.45 | asg | static_x_: no, type 'X' at a command prompt |
| 14:44.03 | asg | static_x_: if you get a crosshatched screen and an X cursor, that's good. If not, paste the errors to a pastebin |
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| 14:44.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this? http://xs410.xs.to/xs410/06480/screenshot17.jpg |
| 14:44.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | I keep getting that while trying to burn a DVD |
| 14:44.45 | static_x_ | it goes blank and then an error comes up back at cmd |
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| 14:44.57 | asg | static_x_: okay, you'll need to tell us what the error is. |
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| 14:47.09 | static_x_ | fatel server error : no screens found |
| 14:47.12 | abrotman | asg: but why?! |
| 14:47.17 | asg | abrotman: why what? |
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| 14:47.25 | abrotman | asg: why is the error important ? |
| 14:48.08 | asg | abrotman: if he pasted one earlier, I didn't see it. |
| 14:48.44 | Decepticon | #winehq is telling me my system is broken! |
| 14:48.50 | abrotman | asg: errors aren't needed to debug the issue .. we'll just guess :) |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | Decepticon: did the sarge packages work ? |
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| 14:49.19 | abrotman | i still can't believe you're doing all this for a torrent program when they exist in debian |
| 14:49.24 | Decepticon | lol |
| 14:49.31 | asg | static_x_: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 14:49.38 | Decepticon | are you talking about the sarge backports, abrotman? |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | that's almost as bad as running mirc in wine |
| 14:50.02 | Decepticon | heh |
| 14:50.10 | Decepticon | i wanted to try that... but alas, wine doesnt cooperate |
| 14:50.21 | abrotman | then stop messing with it |
| 14:50.38 | abrotman | just use a program already in debian |
| 14:50.46 | Decepticon | i mean you'd expect a vanilla backports install to work properly right? |
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| 14:51.01 | abrotman | i meant .. do the ones shipped in sarge work ? |
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| 14:51.46 | Decepticon | yeah, those do. but theres problems with the programs running that according to winehq appdb run fine in other newer versions |
| 14:52.12 | static_x_ | asg + do you think if i formatted my hard drive then reinstalled debian again and selecting vesa then it might solve the problem |
| 14:52.24 | asg | static_x_: no, that wouldn't help at all |
| 14:52.39 | heh_v_water | So this is kind of a silly question but.. the /tmp directory.. using a php script i can make a .sh file in there and link it into the user's web directory.. how do I stop this from happening |
| 14:53.11 | asg | heh_v_water: you can restrict which functions can be used in the php.ini file. |
| 14:53.26 | abrotman | or ask #php |
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| 14:56.43 | Hoxzer | is there are force way to take connection down if there appears to be "driver problems" and ifconfig keeps freezing? |
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| 14:57.27 | wols | ifdown |
| 14:57.58 | Hoxzer | wols: it also fails :( |
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| 14:58.59 | Hoxzer | this is actually pretty tricky as I cannot rmmod the module that I want to reinstall :P |
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| 15:00.38 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.49 | wols | ifconfig down |
| 15:01.55 | Hoxzer | yeah, but that will kill my ssh connection ^^ |
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| 15:02.22 | limpio | can anybody tell me if the new netinstaller will have the option to install using the text version? |
| 15:02.30 | Hoxzer | well, I try to restart it |
| 15:03.07 | vin` | limpio: yes |
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| 15:04.59 | limpio | vin`: thx bud |
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| 15:12.41 | heh_v_water | some some asshole in ##php doesnt like me talking about the insecurities of their language so they kill me from the server? WTF is that? |
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| 15:13.04 | heh_v_water | thats nt how you run irc.. they could have kicked m from their room, banned me but not kill me.. thats crap |
| 15:13.17 | abchirk | ? |
| 15:13.23 | et | you were kicked from the room. your client disconnected |
| 15:13.25 | Xteven | don't get worked up about it |
| 15:13.27 | Xteven | it's just irc |
| 15:13.32 | heh_v_water | no et i was killed |
| 15:13.34 | heh_v_water | flat out |
| 15:13.47 | et | 161110 :: heh_v_water [n=heh_v_wa@70-57-200-16.hlna.qwest.net] has quit ["I'm leaving cause I'm leaving"] |
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| 15:14.16 | Xteven | is someone here by any chance a modeline expert (x.org) |
| 15:14.23 | heh_v_water | something weird happened there then cause I was killed without warning.. |
| 15:14.33 | et | your client screwed up, probably. |
| 15:14.50 | Xteven | or maybe someone can point me in the right direction. my projector shows the image fine, but about 10% of the right side is just missing |
| 15:15.02 | et | probably it was ashamed because you were talking nonsense all the time |
| 15:15.45 | heh_v_water | et dont bring that into this room.. I was in #php for php info i am in here for debian info.. |
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| 15:16.40 | heh_v_water | fact is as you all stated.. php is insecure in a vhosted environment because there are no provisions for limiting what users can do with their scripts.. no solution, get bent, bye bye |
| 15:16.51 | heh_v_water | I can accept that |
| 15:17.15 | Hoxzer | wols: :P ehhehe seems like restart still hangs at reconfiguring |
| 15:17.16 | heh_v_water | I may find it disturbing but I can deal with it |
| 15:17.59 | wols | then edit your interfaces |
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| 15:18.50 | Hoxzer | wols: eh... it freezes at reconfiguring as far as I know it should leave a error message if there was somehting wron in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:18.56 | et | heh_v_water: no, you can't, that's why you get worked up. you fail to see that your "problem" doesn't have anything with php, it would happen with any language. |
| 15:19.13 | Hoxzer | this is driver problem I think |
| 15:19.39 | Hoxzer | rt2x00 should be really experimental |
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| 15:21.48 | kolla | Debian stable, newer kernel.. udev.. root on md0 - "--misc --scan --detail" says all mdN devces consist on "/dev/.static/dev/" (!!) - mkinitrd tries to use devfs and also puts "/dev/.static/dev/*" as argument for mdadm in /script on initrd - it doesnt work :P |
| 15:21.48 | tmp | hello |
| 15:21.55 | tmp | gcc |
| 15:21.55 | tmp | bash: /usr/bin/gcc: Permission denied |
| 15:21.59 | tmp | could you help me please ? |
| 15:22.15 | kolla | tmp: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc |
| 15:22.30 | tmp | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2006-09-25 17:31 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 15:22.37 | kolla | tmp: ls -l /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 15:22.52 | tmp | -rwx------ 1 root root 85196 2005-05-25 02:03 /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 15:22.53 | tmp | :) |
| 15:22.56 | kolla | there you are |
| 15:22.59 | tmp | thx |
| 15:23.01 | Irrumato1 | tmp: is this your machine? |
| 15:23.04 | tmp | yes |
| 15:23.28 | tmp | any reason the chmod of the file has changed ? |
| 15:23.50 | kolla | most likely yes :) |
| 15:23.54 | tmp | heh :) |
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| 15:25.20 | heh_v_water | et, in reality all i am just digging into things to expand my horizons.. my concern was with the tmp directory but after thinking about this.. it could be in the user's home dir or tmp not making any difference whatsoever so i agree it is unfixable for the most part.. what i am trying to figure out though is how do i limit these things to happening only in their home directory |
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| 15:29.05 | blondie | did you try the php channel c.c |
| 15:29.27 | RvGaTe | what package do i need to get the menu "applications, places, desktop" and all other stuff to startup programs on my right mouse button menu? |
| 15:29.53 | itchi | RvGaTe: In wich desktop environment? |
| 15:30.05 | heh_v_water | blondie, yah when I asked the question about just the tmp directory they told me to uninstall php.. thats what got me pissed.. reminds me of the old days in here |
| 15:30.11 | RvGaTe | itchi, gnome |
| 15:30.13 | nvz | RvGaTe: I wasnt aware of such an app |
| 15:30.30 | itchi | RvGaTe: It' shoulbe be there if you have install gnome like /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 15:30.41 | nvz | RvGaTe: right mouse button in nautilus generally handles background, icons// stuff l;ike that |
| 15:30.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: There are 3 meta packages |
| 15:30.49 | blondie | heh_v_water: we have the same problem at work (php can access anything on the server that the apache user can read) |
| 15:31.06 | blondie | we're looking at solutions for when the machien is replaced but dunno what they are |
| 15:31.06 | tonyb2006 | is that like phpsuexec |
| 15:31.26 | blondie | hm maybe |
| 15:31.36 | heh_v_water | blondie, yah I mean nothing is perfect but.. you would think there would be a way to at least "harden" it |
| 15:31.50 | itchi | RvGaTe: Have you install like dpkg told? |
| 15:32.16 | nvz | installation is reguardless to the fact that the right mouse button does something other than what he describes |
| 15:32.25 | heh_v_water | I guess the only real way would be to put each vhosted user in a chroot environment |
| 15:33.02 | nvz | right click shows create new folder, launcher, cxhange desktop in nautilus and has nothing to do with applicationsa, places, or desktop as thats gnome-panel's job |
| 15:33.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yup, applications, places, desktop should be showed on the 'menu bar' |
| 15:35.13 | nvz | however if you install a real wm instead of megashitty which is a psuedo-wm at best you could change that |
| 15:35.27 | nvz | sawfish which used to ship with gnome has its own root menu |
| 15:35.44 | itchi | RvGaTe: Have you try xfce too? :-) |
| 15:37.17 | CharminTheMoose | is sawfish compatible with debian? |
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| 15:37.25 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: uhuh |
| 15:38.41 | RvGaTe | itchi, still want to try xfce yeah |
| 15:39.08 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: i'm using it now |
| 15:39.33 | blondie | if you install sawfish instead of metacity on etch it kinda breaks some stuff wrt gnome :( |
| 15:39.51 | nvz | sawfish in general breaks stuff |
| 15:39.59 | abrotman | it does ? |
| 15:40.07 | blondie | yes :P |
| 15:40.07 | nvz | which is sad because its the greatest wm |
| 15:40.16 | abrotman | i think it works just fine with gnome |
| 15:40.21 | blondie | it does not |
| 15:40.25 | abrotman | i'm using it now |
| 15:40.26 | nvz | it doesnt work fine even alone |
| 15:40.29 | abrotman | works fine |
| 15:40.31 | blondie | it works, but not fine |
| 15:40.38 | abrotman | yes .. it does |
| 15:40.40 | blondie | the preferences stuff in gnome is broken |
| 15:40.42 | abrotman | what about it is broken ? |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | the preferences ? |
| 15:40.55 | nvz | try using oo.o or amarok or something |
| 15:40.57 | blondie | like themes and things |
| 15:41.06 | abrotman | they are? looks just fine to me |
| 15:41.15 | blondie | gnome still tries to alter metacity settings |
| 15:41.17 | nvz | shows popup and dissapear items like titleless windows |
| 15:41.26 | itchi | RvGaTe: That main menu in another package, you should install several little 'xfce' packages. Just apt-cache search xfce and look ;-) |
| 15:41.31 | abrotman | i think you're both on crack .. OO works fine |
| 15:41.37 | nvz | you try change a font or color and you got a window you cant get rid of now from the pull down |
| 15:41.53 | RvGaTe | itchi, do you know what i mean with the right mouse button stuff i want ? |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | i have no idea what you've both done .. but you've screwed something up .. works perfectly fine here |
| 15:42.16 | nvz | abrotman: what are you using potato? |
| 15:42.22 | abrotman | if it didn't work .. i wouldn't use it |
| 15:42.23 | abrotman | etch |
| 15:42.30 | blondie | abrotman: you must be doing something wrong! |
| 15:42.38 | nvz | hell the sawfish in etch is really fucking b0rked |
| 15:42.38 | itchi | s/not/now/ shit |
| 15:42.44 | abrotman | OMG .. mine works .. i screwed it up! |
| 15:43.08 | CharminTheMoose | when i apt-get sawfish and then startx merely the sawfish pager comes up and an X cursor |
| 15:43.20 | abrotman | what do you expect to happen ? |
| 15:43.27 | nvz | abrotman: try make "window |
| 15:43.35 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 15:43.40 | itchi | RvGaTe: In gnome i dunno, i not have that, only some options, that menu is on the top of the screen |
| 15:43.43 | nvz | abrotman: try make "window" command and execute it on a window |
| 15:44.06 | nvz | abrotman: you have to put the window out-of-focus or click on the title bar to make the command work |
| 15:44.14 | RvGaTe | itchi, i know where the menu is now :P but i want it in my right mouse button menu |
| 15:44.14 | abrotman | wtf are you talking about ? |
| 15:44.18 | nvz | abrotman: it should work reguardless when context matches a window |
| 15:44.22 | abrotman | make window ? |
| 15:44.29 | CharminTheMoose | whaat do you mean abrotman? |
| 15:44.29 | asg | make widow |
| 15:44.42 | itchi | RvGaTe: That is not available in Gnome, it is in Fluxbox, xfce, wmaker, ... |
| 15:44.45 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: how did you think it would work ? |
| 15:44.54 | abrotman | nvz: what the hell are you on ? |
| 15:44.54 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe it is, but i dunno then |
| 15:44.56 | nvz | Sawfish-ui -> bindings -> context -> window -> command |
| 15:45.15 | nvz | I have a command to toggle window ignored |
| 15:45.29 | nvz | I have to focus another window than the one i want to toggle for it to work |
| 15:45.31 | itchi | RvGaTe: If you find it, let me know, can be useful ;-) |
| 15:45.57 | abrotman | yeah .. sawfish works fine here :) |
| 15:46.09 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman,i thought it'd display a nice background and the menu bar at the bottom |
| 15:46.18 | abrotman | sawfish is just a window manager |
| 15:46.32 | xingu | with el bindings |
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| 15:46.45 | itchi | RvGaTe: Before, i was using, fluxbox, xfce, a bit gnome, a bit kde (but now hate it). Sinds with the new laptop, i many more use Gnome |
| 15:46.51 | abrotman | http://sawmill.sourceforge.net/#screenshots |
| 15:46.51 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: thats what matched windows and xsession is for |
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| 15:50.47 | mrcheeks | Hi everybody |
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| 15:51.04 | mrcheeks | I am looking for a website generation tool, if possible templates based |
| 15:51.41 | aadil | opensourcecms.com |
| 15:51.50 | nvz | get some html templates and give them to a web developer |
| 15:52.18 | aadil | css zen garden |
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| 15:52.23 | nvz | vi and emacs are website generation tools and support templates |
| 15:52.43 | aadil | emacs the OS? |
| 15:52.48 | aadil | </flame war> |
| 15:52.50 | aadil | ;) |
| 15:53.02 | itchi | mrcheeks: See an example done with vim http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ |
| 15:53.06 | xingu | eight megabyts and constantly swapping |
| 15:53.20 | nvz | would have been funny if the eMac's apple made ran emacs for an OS |
| 15:53.24 | nvz | emacos |
| 15:53.32 | asg | xingu: decent os, to bad it doesn't come with a good editor |
| 15:53.37 | asg | *too |
| 15:53.40 | aadil | heh nvz |
| 15:54.33 | xingu | frilly editors, gaah |
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| 15:54.57 | aadil | yeah well pen and paper come in expensive these days |
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| 15:55.24 | xingu | choose life, choose nvi |
| 15:55.44 | tralala | !bash emacs |
| 15:55.50 | aadil | thought it was choose a big screen tv |
| 15:55.51 | aadil | ? |
| 15:56.22 | aadil | why choose life when mountain dew is so schweet |
| 15:56.51 | aadil | ^^ |
| 15:56.51 | asg | fuck the mountains, head for the Busch |
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| 15:57.21 | xingu | asg: sounds like a 69 to me |
| 15:57.44 | asg | xingu: could be, could be |
| 15:57.45 | aadil | am game if its 69 and if u are 18/f/california too |
| 15:57.47 | aadil | ^^ |
| 15:58.01 | azeem | aadil: try to get back on topic |
| 15:58.19 | aadil | oh well |
| 15:58.22 | aadil | :| |
| 15:58.37 | Decepticon | how do i start up smbd in debian? |
| 15:58.57 | tralala | Decepticon: invoke-rc.d samba start |
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| 16:00.31 | afaik | how can I check my kernel version!? |
| 16:00.43 | azeem | uname -m |
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| 16:01.00 | afaik | i686 |
| 16:01.01 | azeem | eh, uname -r |
| 16:01.06 | afaik | that's all it shows |
| 16:01.07 | afaik | oh |
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| 16:01.16 | afaik | thanks |
| 16:01.17 | aadil | uname -a |
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| 16:01.32 | earthian | hello |
| 16:01.33 | earthian | !paste |
| 16:01.34 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:01.37 | afaik | 2.6.15-1-586tsc |
| 16:01.46 | itchi | !tell earthian -about selftell |
| 16:02.33 | earthian | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4690 <-- can somebody help me? :o |
| 16:03.13 | itchi | earthian: See your PM ;-) |
| 16:03.13 | earthian | i saw |
| 16:03.13 | earthian | :/ |
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| 16:03.19 | afaik | I did an apt-cache search for that version number |
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| 16:03.25 | afaik | but I dont see the source for it |
| 16:03.27 | afaik | sources |
| 16:03.32 | itchi | earthian: So you know that you can play with the bot in an private room ;-) |
| 16:03.38 | tralala | earthian: testing/unstable? |
| 16:03.40 | earthian | yes. |
| 16:03.42 | earthian | etch |
| 16:03.46 | earthian | and sources from sid |
| 16:03.55 | earthian | i want the 2.0 version |
| 16:04.03 | earthian | 1.5 us buggy :/ |
| 16:04.09 | earthian | is* |
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| 16:04.58 | itchi | earthian: It's for you, it can be are useful to search some things with dpkg, to do it right and efficient, it should be do in an private room. See /msg dpkg search |
| 16:05.14 | xingu | hrm, interesting, no jetspeed package |
| 16:05.53 | earthian | ok will investigate... just thought it would not be considered spam to post here few lines with one of the most usefull links here around :) |
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| 16:06.18 | earthian | anyway i have a serious looking problem with apt-get build-dep |
| 16:06.19 | earthian | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4690 |
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| 16:08.07 | afaik | is there something I need to add to my apt sources.list to get the kernel source? |
| 16:08.12 | afaik | all that is listed is the image |
| 16:08.41 | pumpkin0 | earthian: how many repos did you mix to get that error-msg ? |
| 16:09.02 | earthian | i did not mix anything :S |
| 16:09.18 | earthian | what i did is build stuff from sid sources... thats all. |
| 16:09.24 | pumpkin0 | earthian: post your sources.lst. |
| 16:09.26 | earthian | and thats only with very few things |
| 16:09.31 | earthian | one moment |
| 16:09.40 | asg | afaik: install module-assistant if you don't already have it, then run 'm-a prepare' |
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| 16:10.16 | RvGaTe | i must say... xfce is pretty impressive |
| 16:10.16 | afaik | asg, what will that do? |
| 16:10.27 | afaik | RvGaTe, yeah... if you run a 486 |
| 16:10.32 | asg | afaik: download the kernel source and prepare a build environment. |
| 16:10.33 | aadil_ | heh |
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| 16:11.16 | earthian | pumpkin0, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4691 |
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| 16:12.20 | belo36 | hi! do anyone explain to me what is andrea script? |
| 16:12.54 | asg | !tell bokey about away |
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| 16:13.36 | pngwn | belo36, /msg dpkg andrea |
| 16:14.38 | pumpkin0 | earthian: sid, edgy, stable, experimental, etch ... uhm ... nice mix. You system is ssoooo toasted. |
| 16:15.23 | earthian | edgy for wine is same for debian etch etc.. |
| 16:15.41 | Decepticon | how do i test if my samba is working |
| 16:15.59 | Decepticon | my windows machine cant see my samba share on debian computer, or the computer it self |
| 16:16.10 | asg | Decepticon: try #samba |
| 16:16.19 | earthian | pumpkin0, skype has only debs for stable.. |
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| 16:16.38 | earthian | and these should not be the cause for libc? |
| 16:16.49 | earthian | i remember upgraded it few days ago |
| 16:16.50 | earthian | :S |
| 16:16.56 | asg | earthian: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' print? |
| 16:17.10 | earthian | before it worked just fine |
| 16:17.10 | pumpkin0 | earthian: same version-string, maybe. But both debian and ubunut may have changed the code |
| 16:17.32 | afaik | asg, I ran m-a prepare. It put an empty file called linux under /usr/src/ |
| 16:17.35 | afaik | wtf |
| 16:17.36 | earthian | |\ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:17.55 | earthian | its etch package |
| 16:18.55 | afaik | ASG!? |
| 16:18.55 | asg | afaik: what Debian version are you running? |
| 16:18.57 | earthian | another problem used to be that after some time of uptime some programs do not run anymore... like fireglcontrol (ati card control panel) does not run because of some errors... |
| 16:19.09 | earthian | maybe its the uptime? |
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| 16:20.28 | afaik | sid |
| 16:20.35 | pumpkin0 | earthian: you have mixed together a lot of different systems. Even if the libc6 is still sane, apt-get, dpkg, the kernel and other basic prog. may be not. How did you upgrade (from - to ? which commands ?) |
| 16:20.39 | asg | afaik: with a 2.6.15-586tsc kernel? |
| 16:20.44 | afaik | yes |
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| 16:21.03 | asg | afaik: then of course m-a prepare won't work; 2.6.15-586tsc doesn't exist in sid |
| 16:21.16 | afaik | oh |
| 16:21.20 | afaik | what do I need to do? |
| 16:21.28 | earthian | upgrade what? the latest libc version with apt? |
| 16:21.33 | earthian | or the OS? |
| 16:21.52 | asg | afaik: update your kernel to something that is in sid; apt-cache search linux-image (or apt-get install linux-image (pick and install one from the list)) |
| 16:22.07 | pumpkin0 | earthian i remember upgraded it few days ago |
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| 16:22.15 | uwe | hello, im trying to find the file equivilent to /usr/local/apache/passwd/wwwpasswd in debian , i cant find it or anything relevant, im running debian etch with apache 2.0.55 |
| 16:22.28 | afaik | asg, can I just get the sources for my version!? |
| 16:22.30 | earthian | i did apt-get -V dist-upgrade ... :S |
| 16:22.43 | pumpkin0 | earthian: from - to ? |
| 16:22.55 | earthian | hm |
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| 16:23.32 | pumpkin0 | afaik: if you find a mirror/repo that still has that kernel in sid, yes. |
| 16:23.35 | earthian | well... maybe i do wrong but i usualy apply upgrades with dist-upgrade |
| 16:23.40 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know of any gui ftp programs? |
| 16:23.53 | earthian | CharminTheMoose, gftp |
| 16:24.19 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: iceweasel |
| 16:24.19 | afaik | pumpkin0, cam I just download from somewhere? |
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| 16:25.37 | pumpkin0 | afaik: you can download it from kernel.org. But that is not the debian-kernel, it will miss patches. |
| 16:26.00 | afaik | :( |
| 16:26.18 | craigevil | CharminTheMoose: filezilla |
| 16:26.54 | pumpkin0 | afaik: you could just use the current sid-kernel-source. but mixing old sid with newer sid is not always a good idea. |
| 16:27.09 | earthian | afaik, i did build kernel from sid sources after enabling deb-src ... sid in sources.list.... however atm i am having strange problems :S |
| 16:27.19 | earthian | ^ |
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| 16:30.23 | unlink | i have hdaps and dmesg says it detects my laptop, but the driver doesn't seem to emit any useful information (for example, hdaps-gl shows a still laptop) -- i'm runing 2.6.19 release on a tp T60 |
| 16:30.26 | Phanton | hi, i have a question. I'am using SuSE and XP at the moment and want to change to Debian. Should I wait for the next stabel Release oder should I use the testing distro? |
| 16:30.52 | unlink | Phanton: the testing distro is plenty stable :) |
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| 16:32.23 | Phanton | could i update the testing to the stabel later? |
| 16:32.48 | unlink | yes |
| 16:33.33 | Phanton | ok, thx unlink |
| 16:36.29 | Phated | Ehm? Depends on which stable you want to go to. Not from etch to sarge, definitely. |
| 16:36.29 | pumpkin0 | unlink: load the module ibm_acpi (with the parameter experimental=1 if you want everything) |
| 16:36.45 | bokey | does anyone know good factoids for bloodbot ? |
| 16:36.52 | Phated | "blootbot"? |
| 16:37.01 | bokey | Phated, yeah |
| 16:37.15 | pumpkin0 | Phated: the thing that powers the dpkg-channel-bot |
| 16:37.34 | bokey | searching like a mofo can't find one |
| 16:37.35 | pumpkin0 | bokey: you could copy the facotoids from dpkg .. |
| 16:37.41 | Phated | bokey: You write them yourself, as far as I can tell, but there are probably database dumps available. |
| 16:37.50 | bokey | dpkg, factoids |
| 16:37.50 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry!, or http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 16:38.24 | bokey | pumpkin0, yeah, i want something big like one available with infobot |
| 16:38.31 | bokey | pumpkin0, but that's really really old now. |
| 16:38.51 | vin` | dpkg: your factoids |
| 16:38.52 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
| 16:39.23 | Phanton | @Phated: I want to go from the current testing Distro to the upcoming stabel one. |
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| 16:40.04 | bokey | vin`, thanks. =) |
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| 16:41.46 | bokey | Phated, so I am suppose to ungzip them and prepare them as one sql statements. right ? |
| 16:42.00 | Phated | Phanton: Yeah, then just keep 'etch' as your source in /etc/apt/sources.list instead of 'testing' or 'stable'. |
| 16:42.21 | bokey | Phated, because I have only been involved with infobot so far (which uses berkeley db btw) not much idea about sql. |
| 16:42.33 | Phated | bokey: <shrug> me neither. |
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| 16:42.56 | bokey | vin` seems to be busy. |
| 16:43.40 | bokey | dpkg, bots |
| 16:43.41 | dpkg | All your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper. Are we not men? If you prick us, do we not bleed? Err... oil anyway. |
| 16:44.04 | bokey | dpkg, blootbot |
| 16:44.05 | dpkg | well, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
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| 16:45.23 | unlink | pumpkin0: does hdaps need experimental=1? i have ibm_acpi builtin |
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| 16:48.46 | pumpkin0 | unlink: you did do everything listed there http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS ? ibm_acpi experimental gives you controll over the fan and EC. |
| 16:49.32 | ofer1 | dpkg, keys |
| 16:49.41 | ofer1 | dpkg, ssh keys |
| 16:49.41 | dpkg | methinks ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
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| 16:52.03 | jazbo2185 | Hey folks, I need to set up my debian box so that someone running a windows box can upload a large amount of data to me (60 gigs). The internet conn on my debian box goes down frequently so I need to be able to resume the transfer. Also, knowhow needed for the person runing the windows machine should be minimum. any suggestions? |
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| 16:52.36 | xingu | jazbo2185: rsync |
| 16:53.03 | ofer1 | xingu, knownhow needed for the person running the windows mahcine should be min |
| 16:53.30 | ofer1 | jazbo2185, you can use FTP |
| 16:53.39 | xingu | he can use rsync too, and pull. |
| 16:54.13 | xingu | in fact, if you use desktop sharing or vnc, knowhow can remain at 0 |
| 16:55.29 | jazbo2185 | ofer1: will ftp be able to resume transfers if the connection is broken in the middle of the transfer? |
| 16:55.49 | xingu | providing client and server suppor REST |
| 16:56.04 | xingu | but what it won't do is guarentee integrity of the result |
| 16:56.21 | xingu | for that, you need something block-delta oriented - like say, rsync |
| 16:56.30 | ofer1 | jazbo2185, yes. |
| 16:57.03 | ehj20 | jazbo2185: external HD. And post it :-) |
| 16:57.04 | ofer1 | xingu, which will also be much slower and will take more CPU and RAM |
| 16:57.53 | jazbo2185 | So if I just go with sftp it's not going to automatically pick up the transfer at the point where the transfer was broken? |
| 16:57.55 | ofer1 | 60GB over the web? unless you're 100mbit, it can take a while. |
| 16:58.16 | jazbo2185 | ofer1: dsl :( |
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| 16:58.24 | ofer1 | nah, don't do it |
| 16:58.30 | ofer1 | dsl in which speed ? |
| 16:58.46 | jazbo2185 | Most I can download is ~160 k/s |
| 16:59.02 | ofer1 | what about the windows machine ? |
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| 16:59.31 | jazbo2185 | windows machine has cable model with roughly the same upload speed |
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| 17:00.00 | jazbo2185 | it's gonna take a week or more and my damn dsl goes down about once per day. |
| 17:00.18 | xingu | never underestimate the bandwidth of a lorry load of tape |
| 17:00.52 | jazbo2185 | yah if we lived anywhere near by I'd just throw it on an external hd |
| 17:01.03 | ofer1 | 4.55111111111111111111 days, if 160KB/s at all times |
| 17:01.03 | wols | xingu: sure. but after you've seen the latency you ignore this "solution" for all time |
| 17:01.04 | ofer1 | not too bad. |
| 17:01.27 | xingu | but anyway, 60GB with no block checksumming is a fool's errand; you even get intra-block compression for free |
| 17:02.13 | ofer1 | I would just burn in on 12 DVDs and send it by mail. |
| 17:04.04 | xingu | ooh look, I do feel lucky, google. |
| 17:04.07 | xingu | http://www.captain.at/howto-rsync-linux-windows.php |
| 17:05.16 | ofer1 | I don't understand how rsync can resume transfers. |
| 17:05.36 | xingu | then you should read its documentation, it really is rather well designed |
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| 17:05.45 | ofer1 | when a connection is lost, the counter is lost too. if you reconnect how will you able to know in which number are you? |
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| 17:06.22 | xingu | ofer1: it breaks the files in the set into blocks; it calculates a checksum for each block; it looks for missing or changed blocks; it then sends them |
| 17:06.42 | xingu | it quite seriously is the tool for this job if you want to do it in-band |
| 17:06.57 | Zarla | Hello All |
| 17:07.03 | ofer1 | so if a connection is lost, the current block is lost too ? |
| 17:07.33 | xingu | ofer1: it does this each time it starts; if the connection is lost - it restarts the process, looking for changed blocks between source and sink files in the set |
| 17:07.40 | pumpkin0 | ofer1: it is recalculated at resume. |
| 17:07.45 | xingu | you do need to use --partial to get this behaviour |
| 17:08.04 | ofer1 | oh, okay |
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| 17:09.04 | d3Ny[all] | interesante |
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| 17:09.51 | Decepticon | im trying to install openvpn in debian sarge, i have this message that i do not understand: If you accept here, the package will make a special device called /dev/net/tun for openvpn's use. If you refuse, the device won't be made now. If you are using devfs refuse here. Would you like a TUN/TAP device to be created? Y/N |
| 17:10.01 | Decepticon | my use for openvpn consists of tunneling all my windows computer's traffic through a linux openvpn server |
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| 17:10.44 | jazbo2185 | Hmmm okay looks like I need to try a few things. Thanks for the help folks |
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| 17:10.53 | ehj20 | jazbo2185: can you get a remote desktop on the windows machine? Might help with the lack of knowhow on the other end? |
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| 17:11.06 | phlasphy | ok i am going to go with debian if somebody gives me the links to the iso download for a 32bit CPU |
| 17:11.14 | ntk_abu | any tips for ridiculously skippy audio? I already checked X priority, it's set at 0 |
| 17:11.40 | mirak | is there a distribution that try to fix the problem of the gap when a distribution is considered stable and the realease of stable upstream applications ? |
| 17:11.53 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: sarge, etch or sid ? |
| 17:12.08 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, that is what makes me dislike debian |
| 17:12.22 | pumpkin0 | mirak: it is called: etch |
| 17:12.24 | mirak | in fact it's one of the flaw of linux in comparison of windows. the packaging thing is in fact delaying to much |
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| 17:12.33 | mirak | pumpkin0: what ? |
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| 17:12.42 | jazbo2185 | ehj20: maybe but always hard to convince someone to let you do that |
| 17:13.21 | phlasphy | ok all i want is to be able to SSH and use it all in CLI |
| 17:13.31 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: do you want a rocksolid server (sarge), a useable no-eye-candy desktop (etch) or some interessting crashs and learning-about-linux thing (sid ? |
| 17:13.55 | phlasphy | what does it mean if it is not stable |
| 17:14.10 | pumpkin0 | mirak: etch is stable and has more-or-less up-to-date packages. |
| 17:14.41 | phlasphy | up to date packages |
| 17:14.49 | nmmachado | Oi alguÃĐm fala portuguÊs |
| 17:14.51 | phlasphy | can you not download packages for etch on sarge |
| 17:14.52 | krazykit | more or less, tending towards less |
| 17:14.53 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: sid can break at any time. If you donīt know howto fix them yourself ... |
| 17:14.57 | mirak | pumpkin0: hum, but that's something new in debian ? |
| 17:15.03 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, i mean etch |
| 17:15.07 | nmmachado | ? |
| 17:15.16 | mirak | pumpkin0: when I used debian I knew stable testing and unstable. |
| 17:15.17 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: etch is stable to use. |
| 17:15.22 | phlasphy | ok |
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| 17:15.35 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, ok thank you |
| 17:15.45 | phlasphy | how sure are you |
| 17:15.45 | krazykit | !br |
| 17:15.45 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:15.49 | phlasphy | this is what confuses me these things |
| 17:16.14 | ehj20 | php5 and apache2 recently stopped talking to each other in etch, so things can break... |
| 17:16.21 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: iīm using etch on 3 PCs and several servers for about 10 months now. 0 crashs, 1 reinstall (failed disc). |
| 17:16.29 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, ok |
| 17:16.41 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, is debian good |
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| 17:17.15 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: it breaks less then other distr. |
| 17:17.20 | phlasphy | ok |
| 17:17.28 | pumpkin0 | ehj20: is there a bug-report about that online ? |
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| 17:17.37 | phlasphy | the only thing i like about gentoo are the colours in CLI |
| 17:17.52 | krazykit | you can set that up in debian... |
| 17:18.00 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, can you get colours in debian ? |
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| 17:18.07 | phlasphy | krazykit, really |
| 17:18.08 | phlasphy | how |
| 17:18.13 | krazykit | iunno |
| 17:18.15 | blondie | phlasphy: of corse you can |
| 17:18.16 | mirak | pumpkin0: how a package can be considered unstable if the upstream version have the status "stable" ? |
| 17:18.17 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: and it is not so easy to use / userfriendly then ubunut. yes,you can get all the colors you like in console... |
| 17:18.21 | unlink | pumpkin0: no, i didn't apply any patches |
| 17:18.23 | blondie | you set them in your bash profile |
| 17:18.43 | phlasphy | blondie, ok i will have to look into it |
| 17:18.43 | ehj20 | pumpkin0: sorry, I dont know. |
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| 17:18.55 | phlasphy | also how do i get CLI to 1280x1024? |
| 17:18.56 | blondie | phlasphy: do you mean the bash prompt? |
| 17:19.06 | blondie | and for that you need a framebuffer |
| 17:19.09 | phlasphy | blondie, i mean all CLI |
| 17:19.16 | blondie | framebuffer |
| 17:19.24 | CharminTheMoose | could someone quickly send a spider through my site? |
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| 17:19.26 | pumpkin0 | mirak: status "stable" is a definition thing. I can call my software stable even if it crashs every 5 min for other people. debian makes sure it does not crash first. |
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| 17:19.30 | phlasphy | framebuffer for the colours |
| 17:19.39 | krazykit | uh, no |
| 17:19.45 | krazykit | you don't need framebuffer for colors |
| 17:19.53 | blondie | no, for hi-res non-X |
| 17:19.54 | phlasphy | ok |
| 17:19.57 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: 1280x1024 + colors = you need framebuffer. |
| 17:19.57 | krazykit | that's simply a bash thing |
| 17:19.59 | phlasphy | ok |
| 17:20.10 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: which kind of spider ? |
| 17:20.23 | phlasphy | ok what about to get links -g www.google.com to give me GFX |
| 17:20.26 | blondie | phlasphy: look in ~/.bashrc |
| 17:21.20 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:What do you mean? |
| 17:21.20 | blondie | there's something in there to uncomment for coloured prompt |
| 17:21.20 | xingu | phlasphy: try w3m |
| 17:21.20 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: http, ftp, gother, ... ? |
| 17:21.20 | CharminTheMoose | a http spider |
| 17:21.21 | krazykit | phlasphy: i /think/ all you need is the framebuffer in there. i don't recall any other steps. |
| 17:21.21 | mirak | pumpkin0: yes but in theory the upstream dev gives stable status if he consider it doesnt crash isn't it ? |
| 17:21.21 | phlasphy | krazykit, ok |
| 17:21.26 | phlasphy | now this will be the deal breaker |
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| 17:21.29 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: wget -recursive ? |
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| 17:21.48 | phlasphy | what is the smallest download of debian to install |
| 17:21.50 | CharminTheMoose | shouldn't it be wget --spider pumpkin0? |
| 17:22.06 | krazykit | mirak: in theory. but! debian stable is about staying the same: no changes that would affect scripts and such. etch is gonna be the next stable. sid tends to get the "upstream stable" packages the fastest |
| 17:22.08 | pumpkin0 | mirak: in theory. And the debian team verifies that first. |
| 17:22.20 | krazykit | phlasphy: business card install. i like the net install myself, though |
| 17:22.29 | phlasphy | krazykit, how many MB is that |
| 17:22.50 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: recursive will download/mirror the whole site. |
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| 17:23.04 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: ~120MB for netinstall. |
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| 17:23.10 | phlasphy | :( |
| 17:23.14 | mirak | pumpkin0: etch is the testing version ? |
| 17:23.29 | pumpkin0 | mirak: yes, etch is testing. |
| 17:23.32 | phlasphy | 120MB on 64/64 |
| 17:23.41 | CharminTheMoose | I just want to have a http spider crawl my website to see if everything can be accessed |
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| 17:23.55 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: if wget downloads the whole site ... |
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| 17:24.06 | blondie | an arachnid |
| 17:24.13 | phlasphy | a http spider |
| 17:24.19 | xingu | phlasphy: root beer and icecream |
| 17:24.27 | phlasphy | :( |
| 17:24.34 | CharminTheMoose | pumkin0:Would you really want to download 384mb?i think not.... |
| 17:24.34 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: a search-engine bot that download everything and scans it into the search-DB. |
| 17:24.34 | phlasphy | debian people talk in riddles |
| 17:24.43 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, thanks |
| 17:24.54 | mirak | pumpkin0: but how is it possible that for exemple xemacs stood that long in unstable, while it's not really a critical application. even if it crashes sometime |
| 17:24.58 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: you can exclude images, rar, zip, avi, mpeg ... |
| 17:25.18 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: 384MB isn't that much ;) |
| 17:25.23 | CharminTheMoose | maybe i'm barking up the wrong tree..... |
| 17:25.24 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: especially if it's to localhost :P |
| 17:25.29 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, do you have a link to the net install for 32bit cpu |
| 17:25.38 | pumpkin0 | mirak: that is the debian-way. Everything has to work on every platform. |
| 17:26.04 | CharminTheMoose | to my understanding a spider just checks to see what pages are there,not downloading/mirroring them |
| 17:26.21 | mirak | pumpkin0: ok so there is no per platform status for applications. I think gentoo have this. |
| 17:26.58 | phlasphy | blondie, does debian use "useflags" |
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| 17:27.27 | mirak | phlasphy: no |
| 17:27.29 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:27.32 | phlasphy | awesein |
| 17:27.38 | blondie | no, apt uses precompiled packages |
| 17:27.44 | phlasphy | apt FTW |
| 17:27.52 | apt | ftw is, like, wtf backwards, or for the win |
| 17:27.52 | pumpkin0 | mirak: it would make thinks a lot more complex. |
| 17:27.52 | phlasphy | source is crap |
| 17:27.55 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 17:27.55 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 17:28.02 | phlasphy | apt ftw |
| 17:28.05 | apt | it has been said that ftw is wtf backwards, or for the win |
| 17:28.05 | RvGaTe | any good text-editors with syntax coloring and file/ftp browser for Debian Etch (xfce) ? |
| 17:28.15 | phlasphy | for the win |
| 17:28.29 | mirak | pumpkin0: is it normal that there is that much conflicts between devellopement packages ? in fact I often gone through apt hell, when installing packages. |
| 17:28.33 | CharminTheMoose | f0r t3h w1n |
| 17:28.56 | pumpkin0 | mirak: in unstable and in some cases even in testing: yes. |
| 17:29.02 | phlasphy | how much smaller is binary then source? |
| 17:29.04 | ehj20 | CharminTheMoose: To spider a site you at least need to download the .html files to see all the internal links. |
| 17:29.06 | phlasphy | about? |
| 17:29.25 | mirak | pumpkin0: I am not sure there is one distribution where you do'nt have the frustration of not having to build yourself the latest version of an application |
| 17:29.26 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: the kernel has 40MB source and 8 MB binary. |
| 17:29.37 | pumpkin0 | mirak: gentoo ? |
| 17:29.44 | phlasphy | whoah can that be seen in everything |
| 17:30.07 | mirak | pumpkin0: gentoo would be nice if it was a bit more userfriendly |
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| 17:30.16 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, that link does not work it only downloads 400KB |
| 17:30.22 | phlasphy | then says done :( |
| 17:30.28 | CharminTheMoose | can someone please ping http://downstairscomputer.homelinux.net:81 |
| 17:30.38 | mirak | pumpkin0: and if there was fallback binary packages |
| 17:30.43 | xingu | pumpkin0: 40MB compressed source; ~450MB built. |
| 17:30.52 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: very strange: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:30.58 | phlasphy | CharminTheMoose, can i just open it |
| 17:31.05 | CharminTheMoose | if ya want |
| 17:31.06 | pumpkin0 | mirak: isnīt there a stage3 ... ? |
| 17:31.07 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 17:31.16 | phlasphy | does that site use a debian server :P |
| 17:31.31 | CharminTheMoose | does |
| 17:31.54 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: maybe sb is uploading a newer version ... |
| 17:32.03 | phlasphy | sb? |
| 17:32.08 | pumpkin0 | somebody |
| 17:32.11 | phlasphy | ok |
| 17:32.16 | RvGaTe | anyone ? |
| 17:32.21 | mirak | pumpkin0: well, for the kernel and such probably, but a lot of manual comand line operations are needed. to much in my taste. |
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| 17:32.39 | phlasphy | four hours to wait :( |
| 17:32.48 | CharminTheMoose | My computer specs pwn yours phlasphy! |
| 17:32.49 | mirak | pumpkin0: I would prefer something that installs easily, then that you can tweak as you like. |
| 17:33.03 | phlasphy | CharminTheMoose, how do you know? |
| 17:33.10 | CharminTheMoose | i dunno |
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| 17:33.15 | CharminTheMoose | just guessing. |
| 17:33.19 | CharminTheMoose | >_> |
| 17:33.21 | phlasphy | what are yours |
| 17:33.35 | CharminTheMoose | check my site |
| 17:33.43 | CharminTheMoose | me.html |
| 17:33.45 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: the netinstall will download a lot of stuff (if you install a desktop-style debian). debian has a lot of stuff and the stable version comes with 16 CDs. |
| 17:34.03 | phlasphy | all i want is CLI |
| 17:34.11 | phlasphy | for the moment what does that need? |
| 17:34.16 | pumpkin0 | mirak: that does sound like gentoo to me. (I never bothered with it, i need a system that runs out-of-obox) |
| 17:34.20 | krazykit | phlasphy: then a netinstall will download less than 300 megs. |
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| 17:34.30 | ratonn | ?: what conf file does exim4 use? |
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| 17:34.36 | phlasphy | less than how much less than |
| 17:35.06 | ratonn | I edited exim4.conf.template and ran update-exim4.conf but it didn't affect the server. |
| 17:35.08 | bariel | hello, which tool i can use to combine pdfs file? |
| 17:35.08 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: 120MB for the iso + 300 MB during install. |
| 17:35.10 | CharminTheMoose | the one thing i disliked about the netinst was the fact it didn't hotplug. |
| 17:35.12 | CharminTheMoose | *sniff* |
| 17:35.16 | blondie | ? |
| 17:35.19 | phlasphy | hotplug |
| 17:35.19 | phlasphy | ? |
| 17:35.36 | krazykit | he couldn't plug in hardware and have it detected after boot |
| 17:35.45 | phlasphy | can you do that after? |
| 17:35.53 | krazykit | yup |
| 17:36.02 | phlasphy | what kind of hardware |
| 17:36.10 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: yes. Itīs a limit to prevent some older systems from crashing. |
| 17:36.14 | CharminTheMoose | my hardware router |
| 17:36.18 | phlasphy | ok |
| 17:36.30 | phlasphy | pumpkin0, why is debian soo big |
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| 17:36.46 | Epilog | is there a way to pass the hostname along with the syslog message for a remote syslog-ng server? |
| 17:36.52 | RvGaTe | anyone here uses "Bluefish"... is it any good ? does it support other colouring then html? what are some great features in your opinion? |
| 17:37.32 | pumpkin0 | phlasphy: you can hotplug the CPU if you have the right HW... / debian contains a lot of packages that can be installed via apt-get. There is no need to get software from other places, debian has it all anyway. |
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| 17:37.52 | phlasphy | i hope this is worth it |
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| 17:38.16 | CharminTheMoose | what evil cretin is using MSIE 6.0? |
| 17:38.17 | pumpkin0 | RvGaTe: installed it about 4 months ago. colors for HTML, php, perl and some other scripts. scite was more userfriendly. |
| 17:38.36 | phlasphy | i will use debian later maybe the download crashed again |
| 17:38.45 | phlasphy | CharminTheMoose, My computer specs: |
| 17:38.45 | phlasphy | Processor Type:Intel Pentium III |
| 17:38.45 | phlasphy | Processor Speed:800mhz |
| 17:38.45 | phlasphy | Graphics card:VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) |
| 17:38.45 | phlasphy | Monitor:HP Pavillion m703 |
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| 17:39.08 | CharminTheMoose | they're my computer specs! |
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| 17:39.18 | CharminTheMoose | and quite craptastic |
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| 17:39.27 | phlasphy | how much of that did you get |
| 17:39.31 | RvGaTe | pumpkin0, scite? |
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| 17:39.51 | CharminTheMoose | why did you eat me blondie? |
| 17:39.59 | phlasphy | CharminTheMoose, my pc has better specs :P |
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| 17:40.01 | blondie | hunger |
| 17:40.02 | phlasphy | cya all |
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| 17:40.10 | CharminTheMoose | goodbye |
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| 17:40.14 | blondie | stop it |
| 17:40.16 | blondie | gr |
| 17:40.16 | CharminTheMoose | wtf |
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| 17:40.20 | pumpkin0 | RvGaTe: a simple editor with highlighing for about every filetype i ever used ... And no depends on gnome/KDE. |
| 17:40.21 | blondie | STOP |
| 17:40.23 | fbhjr | damn 'recursion no' and 'forwarders' is slow (todays Bind9 rhyme) |
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| 17:40.31 | blondie | :D |
| 17:40.37 | CharminTheMoose | ooh kinky |
| 17:40.40 | CharminTheMoose | >_< |
| 17:40.44 | blondie | I like kinky |
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| 17:40.56 | xingu | fbhjr: you're doing *what* ? :) |
| 17:41.04 | fbhjr | is cache poisoning and spoof attacks really so bad that we must disable recusrion on named? |
| 17:41.14 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: that MSIE may be my opera ... |
| 17:41.40 | fbhjr | I had my two nameservers open and doing recursive queries and was told that was a no no |
| 17:41.46 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:really? |
| 17:41.58 | fbhjr | but then when I disable recursion and use ISP nameservers as forwardesr it is slow as molasses |
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| 17:42.08 | blondie | what are molasses? |
| 17:42.13 | fbhjr | honey |
| 17:42.14 | blondie | but anyway im not sure that's the reason |
| 17:42.17 | fbhjr | viscous material |
| 17:42.31 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: opera changed itīs name since people started blocking everything thats not sending MSIE... |
| 17:42.50 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: works very fine for IIS & co. |
| 17:42.51 | krazykit | actually, opera switched back |
| 17:42.59 | fbhjr | blondie: the name lookups just got really slow and my clients had browsers waiting for sites etc |
| 17:42.59 | khaleel5000 | HI everyone ... i just did a base sysem install ... then installed kde and xorg.. when I run X it doesnot run x (becaue i gave a bit higher resolution than my monitor supports) i can just nano (newbie :D - no vim yet ) and remove those 'higher resolutions one' but is there no builtin xorg config utility like XFdrake (well XFdrake is not there but is there any other utility like XFdrake that can do it ?) |
| 17:43.07 | krazykit | opera went back to their own user agent in v7 or v8, as i recall |
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| 17:43.36 | blondie | I don't have problems with Firefox not being IE :) |
| 17:43.40 | krazykit | khaleel5000: sure there is. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, unless you have xf86, then it's xserver-xf86 |
| 17:43.44 | krazykit | or xfree |
| 17:43.46 | krazykit | or something. |
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| 17:43.49 | pumpkin0 | krazykit: they went back in v9.01. the default for 7 and 8 is MSIE. |
| 17:43.55 | krazykit | hm. |
| 17:43.57 | CharminTheMoose | the OS was windows NT 5.1 so probably not pumpkin0... |
| 17:44.30 | blondie | opera is awful anyway |
| 17:44.55 | krazykit | opera's ok, except that it's not rms-free |
| 17:44.59 | khaleel5000 | krazykit, i have debian etch so most probably its xorg |
| 17:45.04 | khaleel5000 | krazykit, thanks |
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| 17:47.05 | schme | Opera has the benefit of me not having to kill the process and restart every day or so. |
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| 17:49.23 | xingu | fbhjr: bind9 doesn't trust gratuitous referrals or glue in any case; the reason to not offer recursion outside your own network has more to do with preventing it being used as a load amplifier than poisoning |
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| 17:50.29 | xingu | fbhjr: but disabling it for all comers, internal and external alike, on your caching resolver (you do have split authoritative and caching resolvers right?) will be positively lethal performancewise |
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| 17:52.09 | CharminTheMoose | sooo |
| 17:53.04 | fbhjr | xingu: excellent advice and information, I will work with that. Thanks :) |
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| 17:59.43 | domulus | Can somebody please tell me, how I can print man-pages for a command ? I tried "man ls > lpr1"; not working. what's wrong ? |
| 18:00.38 | wols | tried | instead of > ? |
| 18:00.39 | kazotix | hi guys , how can get the public keys? |
| 18:00.47 | wols | read the topic |
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| 18:04.04 | kazotix | wols i don't understand ... |
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| 18:04.30 | kazotix | I've got kanotix 2006 rc4 installed from about two minutes |
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| 18:04.57 | kazotix | and I want to apt-get some packages |
| 18:05.21 | kazotix | what can I do to get Public Keys |
| 18:05.24 | kazotix | ? |
| 18:06.03 | raz0 | !tell kazotix about etch key |
| 18:06.13 | marculix | domulus: nroff -man <manpage.1> | col -bx | lpr |
| 18:06.21 | kazotix | ok |
| 18:06.32 | kazotix | Thanx raz0 |
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| 18:08.04 | cusco | hi ya dudes... |
| 18:08.24 | cusco | any idea.. of how to get dhcp3 client to use a fixed IP when binding to one? |
| 18:08.49 | domulus | marculix, says syntax error near unexpected token `|' |
| 18:09.20 | cahoot | domulus: man ls | lpr or man ls | a2ps if you want conserve paper |
| 18:10.38 | xingu | PAGER="lpr" man ls? :) |
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| 18:11.21 | xingu | PAGER="col -bx | lpr" man ls ... if the bolding don't work propa |
| 18:12.27 | xingu | hmm, bummer, pipes in PAGER don't work so hot. |
| 18:12.32 | RvGaTe | Whenever i want to open a file in some editor (in this case bluefish, but it happens in all editors), im unable to browse to a network share and select/open a file from the network... i have to go to my Accecoires->Computer and go to the share... then edit the file... why cant i just go to network share in the "open file" dialog? |
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| 18:13.55 | abrotman | !tell deny[all] about away |
| 18:14.15 | domulus | xingu, that was the result to your command. any idea what's not working ?? |
| 18:14.16 | domulus | man: command exited with status 13: /usr/bin/zsoelim /tmp/zmanwnRolh | /usr/bin/tbl | /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -Tutf8 | /usr/bin/col -b -p -x | /usr/bin/pager -s |
| 18:14.23 | petemc | RvGaTe: is the share mounted, or are you browsing via smb://.. ? |
| 18:14.35 | RvGaTe | petemc, smb:// |
| 18:14.39 | petemc | RvGaTe: mount it |
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| 18:16.20 | madman215 | what is libSDL? |
| 18:16.37 | xingu | domulus: PAGER="lpr" man ... is the variant that will work; TERM="dumb" PAGER="lpr" man ... is another. |
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| 18:16.57 | RvGaTe | petemc, k, but i can't mount trough the menu's/file manager right? |
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| 18:17.01 | bokey | what's the tcl headers called in debian ? |
| 18:17.37 | xingu | wow, I haven't use that neuron since I last hit a sysvr3 system |
| 18:17.48 | xingu | there's another thing I don't miss |
| 18:17.58 | bokey | dpkg, tcl |
| 18:17.58 | dpkg | tcl is Tool Command Language, or available at http://www.tcl.tk/ |
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| 18:19.44 | abrotman | bokey: you can msg the bot |
| 18:19.53 | abrotman | bokey: and it's probably tcl<something>-dev |
| 18:20.07 | abrotman | !tell madman215 about sdl |
| 18:20.18 | bokey | abrotman, you've been lost for so long.. haven't seen you for a while. =) |
| 18:20.29 | abrotman | i've been here |
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| 18:20.35 | bokey | abrotman, how r ya doing ? |
| 18:20.43 | abrotman | !r |
| 18:20.44 | dpkg | [r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 18:21.11 | bokey | abrotman, been developing r ? hehe.. |
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| 18:25.10 | madman215 | ok how do i find out if/what version of libsdl i have installed, because aptitude is giving me come kind of crazy error when i try to install it |
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| 18:25.59 | abrotman | madman215: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 18:27.58 | RvGaTe | what's the command for creating a screenshot ? |
| 18:28.14 | Phated | scrot, there's something else I can't recall also. |
| 18:28.19 | xingu | xwd |
| 18:28.34 | abrotman | !screenshot |
| 18:28.35 | dpkg | hmm... screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
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| 18:34.10 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 18:34.43 | bokey | DevilChaos, hi |
| 18:35.09 | DevilChaos | hi bokey |
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| 18:35.15 | JordiGH | What up, yo? |
| 18:35.53 | DevilChaos | not alot laptop wohs as usual what bout you?# |
| 18:36.56 | vin` | wuh wah? |
| 18:37.07 | abrotman | i don't get it either :) |
| 18:37.21 | DevilChaos | eh? |
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| 18:38.10 | DevilChaos | not very busy in here tonight |
| 18:39.28 | DevilChaos | tryed a live cd of backtrack yesterday it didnt work because of the arch im using need to pass acpi=off to it at boot anyone here done that before ? |
| 18:39.54 | DevilChaos | with backtrack i mean |
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| 18:40.33 | cusco | not with backtrack |
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| 18:40.54 | cusco | dis is debian, not backtrack or slackware |
| 18:41.05 | cusco | but whats wrong with acpi=off |
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| 18:42.13 | DevilChaos | well it just wont load it um has boot: acpi=off and it doesnt wont to run |
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| 18:42.57 | DevilChaos | i know there should be the kernel image there in front but dont know what the parameter for that |
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| 18:43.41 | ratonn | how do i migrate from lilo to grub? |
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| 18:43.59 | DevilChaos | install grub uninstall lilo |
| 18:44.14 | DevilChaos | and it will sort itsm self no? |
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| 18:47.27 | DevilChaos | how much do you guy know about hda audio? |
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| 18:47.49 | DevilChaos | still trying to get my sound working |
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| 18:47.59 | vin` | DevilChaos: which kernel? |
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| 18:48.24 | DevilChaos | 2.6.18-2-686 |
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| 18:48.56 | vin` | DevilChaos: works pretty much out of the box with that kernel, what's wrong? did you run alsaconf? |
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| 18:49.18 | DevilChaos | yup |
| 18:49.29 | DevilChaos | then i tryed an audio cd |
| 18:49.35 | DevilChaos | and i got nothing |
| 18:49.48 | DevilChaos | ill past lspci output |
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| 18:49.53 | vin` | DevilChaos: did you unmute? |
| 18:49.54 | DevilChaos | one line only |
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| 18:50.09 | DevilChaos | think so |
| 18:50.13 | DevilChaos | hold on |
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| 18:50.35 | DevilChaos | Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
| 18:50.47 | kTaste | hi |
| 18:51.16 | kingsley | ping panthera. Daniel, are you here? |
| 18:51.29 | panthera | kingsley: yes |
| 18:51.53 | kingsley | panthera: Good. |
| 18:52.05 | panthera | depends :) |
| 18:52.16 | kingsley | panthera: You may not remember me, but I'm a happy rdiff-backup user. |
| 18:52.25 | SpComb | hmm, why is it that debian doesn't have an unrealircd package? dpkg says something about an EULA, but I don't see one anywhere |
| 18:52.35 | vin` | DevilChaos: haven't seen that before, intel here, works with snd_hda_intel. |
| 18:52.40 | kingsley | panthera: Thanks for maintaining debian's package. |
| 18:52.55 | panthera | kingsley: ah, right. i remember. |
| 18:53.37 | kingsley | panthera: May I please have your thoughts on a feature that I noticed after upgrading to 1.1.5-3? |
| 18:53.53 | abrotman | feature ? |
| 18:54.24 | kingsley | panthera: Why would it complain "Fatal Error: New quoting requirements!" |
| 18:55.00 | kingsley | when the quoting chars this session needs (^A-Za-z0-9_ -.) match the quoting characters in chars_to_quote? |
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| 18:55.25 | kingsley | Could there be an invisible character, like a newline, for example? |
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| 18:55.37 | panthera | kingsley: may i know the excact command you're invoking? |
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| 18:55.57 | Hoxzer_ | :/ |
| 18:56.10 | kingsley | panthera: Certainly. I'd be happy to show you. Would you prefer to see it here, or in #flood? |
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| 18:56.36 | panthera | kingsley: let's move to /query |
| 18:56.37 | DevilChaos | dont know think the manufacturer might have beed sneaky with this laptop and im determined to beat them |
| 18:56.42 | Hoxzer_ | /usr/lib/pkgconfig seems to have only one .pc does somebody know how to configure that so it would actually work as it is supposed to |
| 18:56.46 | cusco | DevilChaos: try instead of a audio cd play a local file, like /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 18:56.48 | kingsley | panthera: OK |
| 18:57.10 | cusco | did alsaconf installed the drivers? |
| 18:57.57 | Hoxzer_ | guys? |
| 18:58.06 | DevilChaos | yup o think so just need to test it |
| 18:58.06 | Hoxzer_ | this is kinda confusing |
| 18:59.28 | ericP | it's a pain when a new config file comes with a deb and you have to do mechanical merges that the machine could do for you |
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| 19:00.35 | ericP | if each config file also had a .orig, dpkg could diff your running conf against the .orig and apply the diffs to the .dpkg-new |
| 19:00.54 | ericP | would require a lot fewer operator interventions |
| 19:01.07 | ericP | anyone know if someone has started something like this? |
| 19:02.01 | DevilChaos | cusco: i tryed the wav it didnt work |
| 19:02.04 | pumpkin0 | ericP: it would cause havoc with most scripts ... |
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| 19:02.12 | newbcoder | what do I use to unrar files? |
| 19:02.15 | cusco | DevilChaos: what player? |
| 19:02.26 | cusco | newbcoder: unrar |
| 19:02.38 | Hoxzer_ | yeah :9 got it work |
| 19:02.38 | DevilChaos | rythembox |
| 19:02.43 | newbcoder | cusco, apt-cache search unrar brings up nothing |
| 19:02.49 | DevilChaos | havent got xmms on yet |
| 19:03.19 | DevilChaos | brb afk 10 minutes |
| 19:03.43 | cusco | newbcoder: if you don't have non-free repos then use unrar-free |
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| 19:04.10 | newbcoder | apt-cache search unrar-free brings up nothing either |
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| 19:04.37 | grendal_prime | ok screw it im rsyncing the entire home dir and then just doing a fress install. |
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| 19:05.00 | cusco | DevilChaos: after... whats the error on the console that runs rythmbox? |
| 19:05.03 | grendal_prime | dist upgrade to etch is not all the gracefull thes days is it |
| 19:05.19 | cusco | newbcoder: maybe apt-get update? |
| 19:05.36 | wli | I dist-upgraded to etch and sshd is no longer functional, nor is X but that's a bit less critical. |
| 19:05.51 | xsdg | wli: what do you mean by "not functional"? |
| 19:05.56 | xsdg | wli: have you checked logfiles? |
| 19:06.02 | grendal_prime | the X part is the bitch for me |
| 19:06.10 | grendal_prime | that machine is the kids and wifs desktop |
| 19:06.35 | wli | Nothing in logfiles. Logins with passwords don't work. Passwordless logins with authorized_keys is the only thing saving me now? |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | tell the wife she gets what she gets and she'll like it! |
| 19:06.57 | wli | I suspect something with pam but am mostly clueless. |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | try to do a verbose ssh |
| 19:07.09 | xsdg | wli: ok, I think this happened to me too |
| 19:07.15 | wli | That's why I suspect it's something to do with pam. |
| 19:07.23 | grendal_prime | abrotman, she does all the banking with that machine...i think ill dow whatever she asks...besides she could turn on the locks(if you know what i mean) |
| 19:07.24 | wli | I did a verbose ssh. |
| 19:07.30 | xsdg | wli: tail /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:07.35 | xsdg | wli: and auth.log |
| 19:07.37 | abrotman | grendal_prime: no ... i don't |
| 19:07.41 | wli | Specifically sshd -d -d -d and ssh -v -v -v |
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| 19:07.48 | abrotman | isn't it -vvv |
| 19:07.52 | wli | auth.log and /var/log/syslog show nothing. |
| 19:08.01 | wli | sshd uses -d |
| 19:08.02 | xsdg | wli: do they show auth _attempts_ for ssh? |
| 19:08.24 | xsdg | wli: the issue in my case was a missing symbol in some PAM lib or other |
| 19:08.30 | wli | No. Not even successful ones, unless they're for root. |
| 19:08.40 | wli | xsdg: Let me guess, pam_unix? |
| 19:08.46 | grendal_prime | sshd in etch does not allow passwd logins? that does not seem right, i just installed it on a machine yesterday and im loggin into it just fine? |
| 19:09.16 | wli | grendal: I have no idea why it worked for you or why it broke for me. |
| 19:09.23 | xsdg | wli: looks like I've upgraded libpam0g recently; try that? (Note: I'm running SID, so it may be different packages for you) |
| 19:09.53 | grendal_prime | did you set the config, to well not allow passwd logins? |
| 19:09.59 | wli | xsdg: It was the upgrade that broke it in the first place. |
| 19:10.03 | wli | grendal: No. |
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| 19:10.20 | grendal_prime | that is werid...seems like something they would somewhat anal about... |
| 19:10.35 | xsdg | wli: yes, an upgrade broke my ssh as well; I upgraded something pam-related to fix it |
| 19:10.39 | grendal_prime | i mean it is after all a widly used method of admin |
| 19:11.00 | heh_v_water | not that its the greatest idea but what about a build-dep for ssh |
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| 19:11.36 | wli | Everythinig with "pam" in the package name is the latest version. |
| 19:11.53 | xsdg | hmm... |
| 19:12.06 | xsdg | wli: have you checked bugs.d.o? |
| 19:12.10 | wli | This is the point whree I blow my head off with a shotgun for lack of an apt-get dist-downgrade |
| 19:12.11 | omry | hi, trying to upgrade from 2.6.18 to 2.6.19, with the new kernel my system wont boot and I get something like "atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0 ..." message looping, any idea? |
| 19:12.24 | abrotman | omry: did you compile it yourself? |
| 19:12.32 | omry | abrotman, yes. |
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| 19:12.43 | abrotman | omry: then ask #kernel |
| 19:13.02 | omry | ok. |
| 19:13.50 | xsdg | wli: one sec; lemme grep my logs |
| 19:14.13 | wli | I don't even know what package it would be. |
| 19:14.38 | wli | ssh doesn't log anything here; no idea why not. pam logs when root logins are attempted, but that's about it. |
| 19:15.25 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know of any good gui ftp programs? |
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| 19:15.46 | heh_v_water | wli, try doing a build-dep on ssh.. don't install anything just see what gets listed |
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| 19:17.18 | aubergine | Hi how can i change the timezone system wide? i have made a .profile in root's home and so the time is correct. but it should be coorect to every user. at the moment it is: localhost:~# sudo -u mysql date |
| 19:17.21 | wli | It's got a build-dep on libxinerama-dev and libjpeg62-dev of all things. |
| 19:17.28 | aubergine | Sun Dec 3 14:15:13 EST 2006 |
| 19:17.28 | aubergine | localhost:~# date |
| 19:17.29 | aubergine | Sun Dec 3 20:16:11 CET 2006 |
| 19:17.38 | heh_v_water | aubergine, tzconfig i believe |
| 19:17.39 | aubergine | how can i fix this? |
| 19:18.15 | wli | Why the Hell is ssh dependent on X and image processing libraries? |
| 19:18.20 | aubergine | thx |
| 19:18.22 | wli | Even to build. |
| 19:18.22 | aubergine | works |
| 19:18.38 | heh_v_water | wli, no clue hehe |
| 19:19.17 | xsdg | wli: probably to build gui versions of ssh-askpass |
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| 19:19.25 | wli | Aha! |
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| 19:19.43 | heh_v_water | doesnt the etch ssh ask if you want to allow passworded logins or not when it's installed? i thought it did |
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| 19:20.16 | wli | I refused to let it touch my sshd_config... |
| 19:20.34 | Shadowcat | has anyone been successful in synchronizing symbian based devices with Linux? |
| 19:20.36 | Shadowcat | and if so which ones |
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| 19:20.45 | Shadowcat | currently looking to buy a PDA/Phone with symbian on it |
| 19:20.56 | Meads | hey |
| 19:21.26 | Meads | i ran into trouble with my server and now when i try and ssh in to my box i get this error Server refused to allocate pty stdin: is not a tty |
| 19:21.37 | Meads | anyone have any idea how i can fix gthis? |
| 19:21.49 | abrotman | Shadowcat: isn't there a thingie for evolution? |
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| 19:22.13 | Zap-W | anyone know what is +detail addressing? |
| 19:22.14 | Shadowcat | abrotman: trying to find out |
| 19:22.24 | Shadowcat | I won't buy the phone if it can't sync with Linux |
| 19:22.26 | abrotman | !info coldsync |
| 19:22.33 | dpkg | coldsync: (A tool for syncing PalmOS PDAs with Unix workstations), section otherosfs, is extra. Version: 3.0+pre3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 314 kB, Installed size: 968 kB |
| 19:22.42 | abrotman | oh wait .. Palm isn't symbian is it ? |
| 19:22.50 | heh_v_water | no |
| 19:22.50 | Shadowcat | no |
| 19:22.54 | Shadowcat | and Palm doesn't make phones |
| 19:22.58 | abrotman | stupid handhelds |
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| 19:23.02 | heh_v_water | Shadowcat yes they do |
| 19:23.03 | Shadowcat | ok well... one, the treo |
| 19:23.06 | Meads | anybody? |
| 19:23.10 | Shadowcat | which really doesn't count |
| 19:23.21 | abrotman | cobex ? |
| 19:23.28 | heh_v_water | Shadowcat, why doesnt it count? |
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| 19:23.30 | abrotman | p3nfs ? |
| 19:23.37 | abrotman | gnokki |
| 19:23.46 | zmotok | hello, anyone use aiglx in sid/etch? i'm getting a /usr/bin/compiz.real: can't load plugin 'csm' because it is built for ABI version 1 and actual version is 20060927 and i really have no idea why |
| 19:23.48 | Shadowcat | heh_v_water: because it's not so much a phone as it is a pda with an antenna in it |
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| 19:24.20 | xsdg | grr |
| 19:24.26 | heh_v_water | Shadowcat, true but from my experience with palm OS I'm getting the treo next.. I think it will rock |
| 19:24.32 | abrotman | who let the dog in! |
| 19:24.33 | xsdg | wli: sorry; the relevant logfiles are missing :o( |
| 19:24.43 | Shadowcat | heh_v_water: I want a phone, not a laptop wannabie |
| 19:24.47 | wli | I get the feeling it's going to be a long time before ssh works again and an even longer time before X works again. |
| 19:25.06 | heh_v_water | Shadowcat, symbian just a phone I never seen one |
| 19:25.23 | Shadowcat | symbian is an OS |
| 19:25.32 | Shadowcat | which Ericsson and Nokia, among others, use |
| 19:25.39 | heh_v_water | wli, the x problem is simple.. you have moved from xfree86 to x.org.. when it installed it told you what you needed to do.. at least it does when i do that |
| 19:26.17 | heh_v_water | the ssh part though.. i havent run into that but I wont be doing upgrade to etch until stable on those machines |
| 19:26.19 | xsdg | wli: try downgrading openssh-server |
| 19:26.39 | wli | xsdg: How? |
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| 19:27.04 | xsdg | wli: apt-get install openssh-server=some-version-number |
| 19:27.32 | wli | xsdg: What's a good version number? |
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| 19:27.56 | DevilChaos | cusco: hold on ill try that now |
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| 19:28.16 | wOOt | xsdg, the last one that worked? xD |
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| 19:29.05 | xsdg | wli: not sure; ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*openssh* |
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| 19:29.33 | wli | That's long-since been cleaned out. It only shows the currently-installed version. |
| 19:29.51 | abrotman | !sdo |
| 19:29.53 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 19:29.53 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 19:30.18 | DevilChaos | cusco: dont know what is comming up through rhythembox through console as it wont load |
| 19:30.28 | xsdg | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:30.46 | cusco | er |
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| 19:31.04 | cusco | I run rhytmbox command |
| 19:31.05 | cusco | it loads |
| 19:31.17 | cusco | try shutting down rhytmbox first.. |
| 19:31.17 | DevilChaos | hold on ill try again |
| 19:31.33 | abrotman | is it running ? |
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| 19:32.34 | DevilChaos | yup it loaded through my nomal user terminal |
| 19:32.47 | DevilChaos | no errors listed |
| 19:34.47 | DevilChaos | is threre other things i need like alsa pluhins to so with hda audio like alsa-oss or the like? |
| 19:34.56 | abrotman | not you .. cusco |
| 19:35.07 | DevilChaos | my typing is damn terrble |
| 19:35.29 | dvs | DevilChaos: you don't have pcm_oss? |
| 19:35.31 | blondie | yes it is |
| 19:35.56 | wli | Maybe I can say to grab the one from sid instead. |
| 19:35.57 | DevilChaos | ill check |
| 19:36.19 | xsdg | wli: ssh? that may lead to libc issues |
| 19:36.57 | cusco | abrotman: yes rhytmbox runs |
| 19:37.02 | cusco | gotta go dinner |
| 19:37.02 | cusco | bbl |
| 19:37.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:37.45 | wli | xsdg: I have no way of knowing what version to dig for. |
| 19:37.48 | DevilChaos | pcm-oss is a module isnt it? |
| 19:37.58 | xsdg | wli: one sec |
| 19:38.04 | dvs | DevilChaos: snd_pcm_oss |
| 19:38.24 | dvs | DevilChaos: it should be a module |
| 19:38.52 | wli | E: Release 'stable' for 'openssh-server' was not found |
| 19:38.57 | DevilChaos | would i find out in /etc/modules or modules.conf? |
| 19:39.05 | wli | Scratch that plan. |
| 19:39.20 | dvs | DevilChaos: /lib/modules |
| 19:39.28 | xsdg | !info ssh etch |
| 19:39.28 | DevilChaos | ok |
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| 19:39.36 | dpkg | ssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-5.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 19:40.26 | wli | That's odd; I'm on etch and it's 4.3p2-6 |
| 19:40.49 | xsdg | wli: what version of openssh-server? |
| 19:41.14 | DevilChaos | dvs: modules/2.6.18-2-686/? |
| 19:41.15 | wli | 1:4.3p2-6 |
| 19:41.22 | dvs | DevilChaos: yes |
| 19:41.37 | wli | 1:4.3p2-5 not found... |
| 19:41.54 | DevilChaos | dvs:which file after the kernel? |
| 19:41.58 | wli | Nor -4, nor -3, nor -2, nor -1 |
| 19:42.01 | xsdg | wli: try installing 1:4.3p2-5.1 |
| 19:42.17 | wli | Not found. |
| 19:42.25 | DevilChaos | oops ok just modules |
| 19:42.27 | xsdg | wli: hmm... what mirror? |
| 19:42.31 | dvs | DevilChaos: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name 'snd_pcm_oss*' |
| 19:42.40 | wli | httpd.us |
| 19:42.41 | DevilChaos | sorry didnt see that |
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| 19:43.26 | wli | Adding stable to the mix so I can grab from there. |
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| 19:43.46 | xsdg | wli: you shouldn't do that; libc issues can happen between branches |
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| 19:43.55 | ericP | pumpkin0, why do you think the patching conf files approach would wreak havoc on scripts? |
| 19:43.56 | xsdg | wli: try debian.lcs.mit.edu; it has the former version |
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| 19:44.11 | xsdg | wli: looks like the main mirrors get cleaned out pretty quickly/regularly |
| 19:44.37 | vertigo | can anyone tell me how to get the neccerasy libraries from mysql-client-4.1 so compile php5 with? |
| 19:44.41 | tuv | i get this as an output of: Cron <root@nsl> test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null |
| 19:44.57 | tuv | invoke-rc.d: WARNING: invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence |
| 19:44.57 | tuv | invoke-rc.d: enabling safe mode: initscript policy layer disabled |
| 19:45.04 | pumpkin0 | ericP: people tend to rewrite and copy-paste parts of the scripts around. diff does not like that. |
| 19:45.06 | tuv | what could cause this? |
| 19:45.15 | DevilChaos | dvs: cmmand just brings me back to a command prompt |
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| 19:45.46 | vertigo | any mysql client apt packages like dev-mysql-client? |
| 19:46.02 | dvs | DevilChaos: grep PCM_OSS /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:46.04 | tuv | i get this daily via local mail |
| 19:46.10 | Flimqy | vertigo: usually only while building |
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| 19:46.21 | dvs | DevilChaos: (and yes, there is a space betwen the PCM_OSS and /boot/.... |
| 19:46.33 | vertigo | fimlqy, im not following you? |
| 19:46.40 | xsdg | tuv: does it mention what it checks for "shutting down" in the manpage |
| 19:46.43 | vertigo | Øflimqy |
| 19:46.45 | xsdg | Flimqy: hey; ltns |
| 19:46.49 | wli | Okay, debian.lcs.mit.edu is in the mix. |
| 19:46.51 | Flimqy | I have a yenta-based CardBus card, and cannot get it to work correctly; dmesg keeps telling me it cannot find the PCI IRQ. Has anyone run into this? Know how to fix it? Google is of little help |
| 19:46.56 | Flimqy | xsdg: how's it going? |
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| 19:47.10 | xsdg | Flimqy: pretty good; fairly busy what with school and all |
| 19:47.12 | xsdg | Flimqy: you? |
| 19:47.16 | DevilChaos | ChaosNetwork:/home/devil/Desktop/redfang-2.5# grep PCM_OSS /boot/config- 2.6.18-2-686 |
| 19:47.16 | DevilChaos | grep: /boot/config-: No such file or directory |
| 19:47.16 | DevilChaos | grep: 2.6.18-2-686: No such file or directory |
| 19:47.24 | xsdg | DevilChaos: no space |
| 19:47.26 | Flimqy | xsdg: Started a new job recently... working with Linux of all things. It's great |
| 19:47.32 | xsdg | Flimqy: nice |
| 19:47.34 | Gumby | DevilChaos: you have an extra space there |
| 19:47.38 | Gumby | after config- |
| 19:47.45 | dvs | DevilChaos: there is no space between the $ and ( |
| 19:48.05 | DevilChaos | CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m |
| 19:48.05 | DevilChaos | CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS_PLUGINS=y |
| 19:48.06 | Flimqy | xsdg: Hoping to move the project from FC3 to Debian in the near future :) |
| 19:48.17 | xsdg | Flimqy: :o) |
| 19:48.23 | dvs | DevilChaos: So it is a module |
| 19:48.28 | tuv | xsdg, no |
| 19:48.28 | wli | Maybe I should just point sources.list at stable, try dist-upgrading from that, and pray. |
| 19:48.32 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 19:48.38 | ericP | pumpkin0, i've been experimenting with this since i started yacking about it and haven't seen where it behaved unexpectadely |
| 19:48.48 | wli | $ su -c "apt-get -fmu install openssh-server=1:4.3p2-5.1" |
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| 19:48.50 | xsdg | wli: no; that'll (most likely) break things |
| 19:48.53 | wli | E: Version '1:4.3p2-5.1' for 'openssh-server' was not found |
| 19:49.03 | xsdg | wli: try without 1:? |
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| 19:49.10 | wli | xsdg: They're already broken. |
| 19:49.18 | xsdg | wli: yes, but your system works |
| 19:49.26 | philip | xsdg, you are the guy in the package names |
| 19:49.30 | wli | xsdg: E: Version '4.3p2-5.1' for 'openssh-server' was not found |
| 19:49.36 | xsdg | philip: hmm? |
| 19:49.36 | philip | wli, try apt-cache policy |
| 19:49.40 | DevilChaos | dvs: where do i go from here? |
| 19:49.46 | philip | xsdg, yes, xorg-sdsds-xsdg |
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| 19:50.08 | dvs | DevilChaos: modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 19:50.09 | DevilChaos | ive got most of the stuff from dpkg messages |
| 19:50.21 | ericP | pumpkin0, trying re-arranged config now (though i can predict the answer will be that the first one patches and the user is left rectifying the rest) |
| 19:50.56 | xsdg | philip: don't think so; I've never heard of that package |
| 19:51.00 | DevilChaos | dvs: return to command prompt |
| 19:51.13 | tuv | xsdg, hmm.. runlevel returns: '2 6'. could that be it? |
| 19:51.19 | xsdg | tuv: yup |
| 19:51.19 | wli | apt-get -fmu install openssh-server/sid and apt-get -fmu install openssh-server/stable don't work either. |
| 19:51.21 | dvs | DevilChaos: that means that it loaded properly. |
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| 19:51.29 | DevilChaos | yup yup |
| 19:51.34 | tuv | xsdg, would 'init 2' solve it? |
| 19:51.55 | DevilChaos | try rhythembox again? |
| 19:51.57 | ericP | file=a.conf cp $file.dpkg-{new,patched} && (diff -u a.conf{.dpkg-orig,} | patch $file.dpkg-patched) && echo cp $file.dpkg-patched $file |
| 19:52.04 | dvs | DevilChaos: echo snd_pcm_oss >> /etc/modules |
| 19:52.07 | xsdg | tuv: dunno |
| 19:52.20 | ericP | pumpkin0, note line -3 |
| 19:52.30 | tuv | xsdg, strange.. it's been working for at least a week now producing these messages. has it been in runlevel 6 that long? |
| 19:52.42 | xsdg | wli: ok; try going to http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/pool/main/o/openssh/ and grabbing openssh-server-....deb |
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| 19:53.04 | xsdg | tuv: what does `ps 1` say? |
| 19:53.05 | pumpkin0 | ericP: edit the thing heavily, then try to apply several patches. |
| 19:53.07 | DevilChaos | dvs: return to command prompt |
| 19:53.17 | tuv | 'init 2' made 'runlevel' output: '6 2' |
| 19:53.32 | dvs | DevilChaos: Good, now try rhythmbox |
| 19:53.43 | tuv | xsdg, after 'init 2', ps 1: ' 1 ? S 0:12 init [2]' |
| 19:53.56 | ericP | pumpkin0, trying with my apache.conf... |
| 19:54.16 | xsdg | tuv: hmm... looks like `runlevel` is getting confused somehow |
| 19:54.20 | DevilChaos | dvs: still nothing |
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| 19:54.42 | xsdg | tuv: nm; the first thing it outputs is the previous runlevel |
| 19:54.50 | DevilChaos | i added another wav file too from the samr directory |
| 19:54.55 | xsdg | tuv: so "6 2" should be OK, I think |
| 19:55.08 | tuv | xsdg, well there has been an incident and i tried a shutdown but the system did not respond. then after it recovered it just ignored the shutdown and been working till now |
| 19:55.15 | pumpkin0 | ericP: make a backup first. |
| 19:55.45 | tuv | xsdg, so i guess that was the source of the confusion |
| 19:55.49 | ericP | pumpkin0, i guess i won't be able to surprise myself as i work within CVS's constraints every day |
| 19:55.51 | xsdg | tuv: ::nod:: |
| 19:55.57 | RichiH | what kind of linux-image does on use on opterons? |
| 19:56.22 | xsdg | RichiH: amd64? |
| 19:56.25 | tuv | xsdg, a horizontal or a vertical nod ?? :) |
| 19:56.25 | RichiH | k7? 686? different? |
| 19:56.25 | xsdg | RichiH: (and hi :o) |
| 19:56.41 | xsdg | tuv: heh; "I guess so" :o) |
| 19:56.50 | RichiH | xsdg: it's 32 bit, near as i can tell |
| 19:56.54 | xsdg | RichiH: oh; oops |
| 19:56.55 | RichiH | xsdg: ltns :) |
| 19:56.57 | xsdg | k7 then |
| 19:57.04 | xsdg | RichiH: yeah; school's been keeping me busy |
| 19:57.07 | DevilChaos | there isnt much with google either |
| 19:57.32 | wli | I should probably mention at this point that with X nonfunctional getting at a browser is not the easiest thing in the world for me. |
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| 19:57.46 | xsdg | wli: links |
| 19:58.17 | RichiH | xsdg: yah, know the feeling.. |
| 19:58.19 | ericP | pumpkin0, i've just done a big dist-upgrade (two week old sid) and it appears that this approach would have worked on every place i got prompted. |
| 19:58.35 | RichiH | !no public key |
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| 19:58.35 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 19:58.47 | ericP | pumpkin0, i think that adding Patch and View patch options would really improve life |
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| 19:59.05 | JordiGH | Huh? |
| 19:59.21 | RichiH | xsdg: i need to drop into bed, 0128 local and not much sleep |
| 19:59.22 | ericP | pumpkin0, if people relied on Patch for ages, it might be time to make that automatic (modulo dpkg conf) |
| 19:59.24 | JordiGH | jordi@Ophelia:~/linux$ apt-get source kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:59.29 | JordiGH | E: Unable to find a source package for linux-latest-2.6 |
| 19:59.32 | RichiH | xsdg: nice to see you are still amongst the living, though :) |
| 19:59.37 | xsdg | RichiH: cool; see you :o) |
| 19:59.38 | JordiGH | I can't see the kernel source? :'( |
| 19:59.52 | czr | dpkg-question: is there a hook/mechanism by which I can get dpkg to execute my command (with options) just before dpkg decides to remove files belonging to a package (for example, if user used apt-get remove and all dependencies check out) |
| 19:59.58 | xsdg | JordiGH: install |
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| 20:00.07 | JordiGH | xsdg: Install what? |
| 20:00.15 | xsdg | JordiGH: sorry, that was incomplete; install kernel-source-... |
| 20:00.35 | JordiGH | xsdg: Hm... any idea why there isn't an ordinary Debian source package for it? |
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| 20:01.23 | DevilChaos | dvs: thanks for the help though |
| 20:01.37 | dvs | DevilChaos: you're welcome |
| 20:01.37 | xsdg | JordiGH: dunno |
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| 20:01.41 | JordiGH | Actually, all I really want to do is to go grep the kernel source for the word "fuck". |
| 20:02.03 | DevilChaos | dvs: is there anything else you could suggest? |
| 20:02.13 | dvs | DevilChaos: no idea |
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| 20:02.18 | xsdg | JordiGH: iirc, you can do that with google something-or-other |
| 20:02.24 | DevilChaos | ok :) |
| 20:02.28 | wli | xsdg: Either that version of openssh-server is not old enough or the problem is more subtle. |
| 20:03.16 | xsdg | wli: ok; what does `dpkg -l *pam* | grep ^ii` say? (you can just say package names and versions) |
| 20:04.23 | wli | $ dpkg -l '*pam*' | awk '$1 == "ii" { print $2 }' | xargs echo |
| 20:04.24 | wli | libpam-modules libpam-runtime libpam0g |
| 20:05.46 | xsdg | wli: so, the important things are the versions (print $3) |
| 20:05.56 | wli | 0.79-4 |
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| 20:06.20 | wli | No idea what the last working version was. I was not prepared for things breaking anywhere near this badly. |
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| 20:08.15 | xsdg | wli: hmm... can you try ssh'ing to root@yourmachine and using a password? |
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| 20:08.25 | DevilChaos | dvs: according to a tutorial from google i have to compile alsa-source and use snd_hda_intel with aumix if that makes any sence i had to do this with my graphics driver too and it worked eventually when i worked out how to utilise module-asisstant |
| 20:08.33 | xsdg | wli: (to try to see if something useful shows up in the log) |
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| 20:08.47 | Danker | Hi |
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| 20:09.14 | wli | It just says authentication failure even though I had the correct password. |
| 20:09.20 | Danker | When will be Debian 4 realeased? |
| 20:09.26 | utab | I may connect to my debian machine from my kubuntu, but not the other way, |
| 20:09.28 | wli | Dec 3 12:08:44 holomorphy sshd[1671]: error: PAM: Authentication failure for root from localhost |
| 20:09.35 | xsdg | wli: you can also try shutting down ssh and running it manually with debug on: `sshd -dD` |
| 20:09.38 | Danker | They said on December |
| 20:09.41 | blondie | you shouldn't login as root using ssh. |
| 20:09.44 | blondie | it's naughty |
| 20:09.45 | xsdg | wli: which logfile is that in? |
| 20:09.46 | Danker | But can anyone say day? |
| 20:09.49 | xsdg | blondie: ... |
| 20:09.49 | wli | xsdg: That's how I came to suspect pam. |
| 20:09.53 | blondie | Danker: they said tomorrow (4th) |
| 20:09.53 | wli | xsdg: auth.log |
| 20:09.53 | xsdg | wli: ::nod:: |
| 20:09.55 | lietu | any ideas why my debian netinstall gets stuck to "Installing the Debian Base system", "Retrieving", "debootstrap.invalid_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages..." ... have tried both HTTP and FTP, multiple mirrors |
| 20:09.58 | robin_sz | Danker, that was before the wars started |
| 20:10.05 | blondie | xsdg: logging in as root with ssh is naughty mmkay |
| 20:10.08 | Danker | Nice :) |
| 20:10.17 | Danker | Thanks |
| 20:10.22 | xsdg | blondie: please read your backlog before jumping into conversations |
| 20:10.28 | xsdg | blondie: (/lastlog wli) |
| 20:10.53 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 20:10.54 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 20:10.58 | blondie | xsdg: don't tell me how to use /lastlog |
| 20:10.59 | robin_sz | blondie, really? ... I thought that all went out the window when people started recalling projrct leaders etc |
| 20:11.07 | wli | xsdg: So I guess we can say it's spurious password auth failure. |
| 20:11.18 | xsdg | wli: yeah; hmm... |
| 20:11.24 | wols | wli: what about normal logins into ssh? is only root not working? |
| 20:11.29 | blondie | robin_sz: it was past tense |
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| 20:12.05 | xsdg | wols: nothing with passwords |
| 20:12.14 | xsdg | wols: passwordless works fine |
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| 20:12.20 | wli | xsdg: Password auth fails regardless of root. Non-root logins achieve apparent success, only to be immediately disconnected after the password is accepted instead of retrying the password challenge. |
| 20:12.35 | gouki | Where can I download Etch RC3? |
| 20:12.36 | wli | xsdg: So the non-root case is different. |
| 20:12.37 | xsdg | wols: ^^^ |
| 20:12.41 | abrotman | gouki: RC1 ? |
| 20:12.42 | robin_sz | blondie, last I heard, it would be end of december before the elections etc could be done etc etc .. see mid March for more details |
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| 20:12.59 | xsdg | wli: hmm... |
| 20:13.04 | gouki | Hehe. Sorry ... I thought it was up to 3 already (= |
| 20:13.04 | xsdg | wli: try running the sshd in debug mode |
| 20:13.07 | blondie | robin_sz: too much fucking politics |
| 20:13.14 | robin_sz | blondie, quite |
| 20:13.28 | gouki | abrotman: Hehe. Sorry ... I thought it was up to 3 already (= |
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| 20:13.51 | abrotman | nerp |
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| 20:14.21 | utab | from my debian I can not connect to my kubuntu box, but from my kubuntu I may connect debian, is there sth I should set in debian |
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| 20:14.35 | wli | xsdg: pam_setcred() says "permission denied" no matter what. |
| 20:14.39 | xsdg | utab: what do you mean by "connect"? |
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| 20:14.55 | gouki | abrotman: Do you know of any links that may get me the .ISO? |
| 20:15.02 | xsdg | wli: can you login fine? (from a console or something) |
| 20:15.07 | philip | utab, ssh? check that kubuntu has ssh started |
| 20:15.13 | philip | utab, check that you can ping first though |
| 20:15.21 | possie | Release of Etch supposed to be this month right? |
| 20:15.29 | abrotman | !d-i gouki |
| 20:15.30 | dpkg | gouki, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:15.33 | utab | xsdg, ssh to debian is ok from kubuntu, but ssh to kubuntu fails, I may ping my kubuntu |
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| 20:15.54 | robin_sz | utab, check your ssh server is running on your kubuntu box |
| 20:16.01 | mbirkis | i am trying to build drivers for my pcmcia wireless card, it is a scyr@cer 4011b and i googled it and found a driver... but i have no idea how to install this driver. can someone help? |
| 20:16.03 | xsdg | robin_sz: grr... beat me to it |
| 20:16.03 | wli | xsdg: In the passwordless case, it proceeds regardless, saying "debug1: permanently_set_uid: 1000/1000" on the next line. In the failure case it says "debug1: do_cleanup" on the next line. |
| 20:16.18 | gouki | abrotman: Isn't that the current release (sarge)? |
| 20:16.25 | xsdg | wli: hmmm |
| 20:16.37 | JordiGH | lenny? |
| 20:16.38 | JordiGH | Which one is that? |
| 20:16.41 | JordiGH | !lenny |
| 20:16.42 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 20:16.51 | JordiGH | binoculars. |
| 20:16.52 | JordiGH | Ah. |
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| 20:17.08 | robin_sz | but they have to get Etch out first .,,, |
| 20:17.19 | robin_sz | assuming the release team survives the wars |
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| 20:18.20 | philip | lenny will be out in about 5 years |
| 20:18.22 | philip | with luck |
| 20:18.29 | robin_sz | that soon? |
| 20:18.33 | utab | robin_sz, can you be more specific |
| 20:18.41 | philip | yes, they are speeding up the development times |
| 20:18.51 | wli | Downgrading everything pam-related to stable still doesn't work. |
| 20:18.59 | xsdg | wli: can you login to a VT successfully? (or something else non-ssh that uses PAM password auth) |
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| 20:19.10 | wli | The apt commmand succeeds with "apt-get -fmu install libpam-modules/stable libpam-runtime/stable libpam0g/stable" |
| 20:19.15 | wli | ssh logins do not. |
| 20:19.28 | wli | xsdg: VT logins succeed, actually. |
| 20:19.36 | da_predator | Hello everybody. Can anybody help me and give me link to information about End Of Life politics about Debian projects? How many years Debian support distros? |
| 20:19.37 | philip | !etch |
| 20:19.37 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 20:19.55 | stoned | I just cleaned my entire house except for my room, now I gotta clean out my sid box |
| 20:19.59 | wli | I wish there was some way to just completely remove pam. |
| 20:20.00 | stoned | I hate cleaning |
| 20:20.04 | philip | a graphical installer wow!! |
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| 20:20.30 | robin_sz | utab, well, on your kubuntu box, you need to sheck that your ssh server is running ... I have NFC how ubuntu manages its services, so I cant begin to speculate on how to check, you could try netstat -tupan | grep ssh and see what is listening on pert 22 .. or ps-ef | grep sshd |
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| 20:20.49 | JordiGH | There are other things more exciting than the graphical installer. E.g. encrypted partitions as an option during the install. |
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| 20:21.13 | robin_sz | utab, if its not running, I suggest you ask on #ubuntu or #kubuntu how to enable it or install it |
| 20:21.25 | stoned | dude, I smell all sorts of chemicals hehe |
| 20:21.39 | stoned | blondie, it took me 3 hours for 3 rooms, I had not cleaned in months |
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| 20:21.48 | dvs | o_O |
| 20:22.07 | stoned | I still have my whole room left, plus 4 months worth laundry, and vaccume the whole house |
| 20:22.13 | JordiGH | !pt |
| 20:22.13 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:22.13 | robin_sz | stoned, whats this "cleaning" of which you speak? Is it a custom amongst your people? |
| 20:22.14 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 20:22.14 | dpkg | ot is probably off topic |
| 20:22.16 | dvs | stoned: just don't use Pine Sol. That stuff stinks |
| 20:22.28 | stoned | I used lysol, spring smelling shit, its nasty too |
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| 20:22.47 | stoned | robin_sz, go fuck yourself |
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| 20:23.21 | robin_sz | ? |
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| 20:23.26 | possie | why does debian sarge ship with inetd ? |
| 20:23.28 | philip | robin_sz, not funny |
| 20:23.55 | philip | possie, because! |
| 20:23.57 | philip | !inetd |
| 20:23.57 | dpkg | inetd is the internet super-server, read 'man 8 inetd' for details. Also ask me about "update-inetd" |
| 20:24.07 | stoned | well, he might have meant "you people" as in stoners |
| 20:24.12 | JordiGH | robin_sz: You stepped (accidentally, perhaps?) on a stereotype, for I think that stoned is Indian (er, right?) |
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| 20:24.25 | robin_sz | eh? |
| 20:24.28 | stoned | now that I think about it |
| 20:24.34 | philip | stoned, I wish I could get "stoned" so I could forget about my crappy life, and my broken love affair with abrotman |
| 20:24.41 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Indians don't bathe. That's the stereotype. |
| 20:24.51 | abrotman | philip: are you done being an ass ? |
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| 20:25.08 | philip | abrotman, its ok |
| 20:25.18 | xsdg | wli: are you trying to ssh to localhost or from a different box? |
| 20:25.19 | JordiGH | But this is... |
| 20:25.20 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 20:25.21 | dpkg | i guess ot is off topic |
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| 20:25.36 | wli | xsdg: From a different box. From localhost succeeds passwordlessly. |
| 20:25.50 | stoned | I'm gonna toke a bowl, update two sid boxes and then do my laundry |
| 20:25.50 | abrotman | what's okay ? |
| 20:25.56 | robin_sz | JordiGH, well that phrase was meant to be interpreted in an "I have never heard of this cleaning thing" and "your people" ans in "I am a visitor from an alien planet" sort of way |
| 20:26.12 | JordiGH | robin_sz: I get it, but I think stoned didn't. |
| 20:26.26 | xsdg | wli: can you move .ssh out of the way and try using passwords to localhost? |
| 20:26.38 | stoned | I thought he was talking about indians first, then I thought he was talking about you people as in stoners, both times, wrong |
| 20:26.39 | stoned | :( |
| 20:26.52 | dvs | stoned: it's the fumes |
| 20:27.15 | JordiGH | Let's kiss and make up. |
| 20:27.18 | JordiGH | apt-get install love |
| 20:27.22 | mx-zoom | hey... Anyone knows how to get sound coming of the speakers with an intel HDA? I have a toshiba laptop |
| 20:27.22 | dvs | yuck\ |
| 20:27.24 | stoned | robin_sz, but damn, no body woulda gotten that man, thats just way too far fetched |
| 20:27.27 | stoned | lol |
| 20:27.56 | stoned | mx-zoom, just use alsa, it will run it, but I dunnoa bout the HD part of it |
| 20:28.05 | robin_sz | ok, ok, ... enough |
| 20:28.13 | wli | xsdg: I have test accounts that are a better way to deal with that. |
| 20:28.23 | dvs | mx-zoom: what kernel do you have? |
| 20:28.32 | stoned | mx-zoom, never owned an HD anything, tv or monitor or videocard or soundcard |
| 20:28.35 | stoned | I'm totally HDless |
| 20:28.37 | mx-zoom | stoned, I am using alsa. Alsa detects my soun card and everything. But no sound comes ou of the speakers and headphone jack. and yes I have unmuted everything ;O |
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| 20:28.44 | JordiGH | So, how is torcs? |
| 20:28.52 | JordiGH | !info torcs |
| 20:28.52 | mx-zoom | dvs, I have 2.6.17-2 |
| 20:29.01 | dpkg | torcs: (3D racing cars simulator game using OpenGL), section games, is optional. Version: 1.2.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4418 kB, Installed size: 20936 kB |
| 20:29.04 | JordiGH | And Vegastrike? |
| 20:29.09 | JordiGH | !info vegastrike |
| 20:29.16 | dpkg | vegastrike: (A 3d space combat game), section games, is optional. Version: 0.4.3-5+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 4722 kB, Installed size: 12040 kB |
| 20:29.28 | wli | Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
| 20:29.29 | xsdg | JordiGH: could you /privmsg the bot, please? |
| 20:29.29 | JordiGH | They're large.... I need to make a choice here for a quick gaming fix. :-/ |
| 20:29.38 | wli | xsdg: ssh to test account fails. |
| 20:29.43 | JordiGH | xsdg: I deliberately made that public. :-) |
| 20:29.57 | xsdg | wli: anything useful on the sshd side? |
| 20:30.00 | robin_sz | stoned, for reference ... http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002285.html |
| 20:30.04 | mx-zoom | stoned, I really don't really pay that much attention to HD sound hehe. at least now now that I don't ahve any sound at all |
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| 20:30.54 | wli | xsdg: It looks identical to the remote case. |
| 20:30.59 | wli | xsdg: So no new info. |
| 20:31.13 | mx-zoom | dvs, do you think it has got anything to do with the kernel? |
| 20:31.24 | dvs | mx-zoom: that kernel is new enough |
| 20:31.55 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Sweet. You're a language geek. :-) |
| 20:32.00 | xsdg | wli: if you `stat /etc/pam.d/ssh`, does it report being Modified recently? |
| 20:32.04 | mx-zoom | dvs, the usb headphones work well. but I don't think USB goes through the same channels the speakers do |
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| 20:32.28 | dvs | mx-zoom: how are you trying to play the sound? |
| 20:32.40 | robin_sz | JordiGH, yeah, but just dont start me on the differences between umlauts and diaresis or we will be here all night ;) |
| 20:32.54 | mx-zoom | dvs, I have tried almost everything from aplay to amaroK |
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| 20:33.04 | simonrvn | a couple of drums, a bass guitar, and some keyboard |
| 20:33.05 | wli | xsdg: 2004-09-20 for the most recent spin of /etc/pam.d/ssh (I tried editing it, but blew all that away when I downgraded pam to the stable version). |
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| 20:33.15 | xingu | wli: by way of turning the problem into a tree that can be bisected - do you have access to the system console? do you get the same result with login to vty/tty? |
| 20:33.23 | dvs | mx-zoom: even "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" ? |
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| 20:33.40 | wli | xingu: No. vt/tty password logins work. |
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| 20:33.59 | xsdg | mx-zoom: are you using alsa? is output muted? (look in `alsamixer`) |
| 20:34.06 | wli | Here is something different: |
| 20:34.07 | xingu | wli: ok, so that rules out the login->pam->getpwent() bits |
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| 20:34.16 | trelane | anything on an official etch date? |
| 20:34.23 | mx-zoom | dvs, the strange thing is that alsa recognizes the right card and chipset but n sound. cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp does nothing |
| 20:34.29 | wli | The precise challenge/response output is different from usual: |
| 20:34.31 | wli | $ ssh test@localhost |
| 20:34.31 | wli | Password: |
| 20:34.31 | wli | Response: |
| 20:34.31 | wli | Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
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| 20:34.32 | mx-zoom | xsdg, yes it is unmuted |
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| 20:34.42 | RvGaTe | i noticed when installing some games... they dont show up in the "games" section of the menu... how is this possible? |
| 20:34.45 | JordiGH | robin_sz: That one's easy. One shortens a vowel, another signals that a vowel (tri|di)graph in fact represents more than one phoneme. :-) |
| 20:34.51 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:34.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:34.53 | xingu | wli: what does pam.d/ssh look like, is it particularly odd? |
| 20:34.55 | wli | How much of that showed up? ssh, Password, Response? |
| 20:34.59 | Gnurdux | hehe why is linguistic coming up? |
| 20:35.05 | wli | xingu: It's normal. |
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| 20:35.07 | robin_sz | JordiGH, correct :) |
| 20:35.12 | xsdg | wli: until "Read ... failed" |
| 20:35.25 | wli | xsdg: That was the final (mostly irrelevant) iine. |
| 20:35.27 | robin_sz | JordiGH, no waitt, one LENGTHENS a vowel ... |
| 20:35.29 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 20:35.30 | JordiGH | Er... |
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| 20:35.33 | dvs | mx-zoom: lsmod | grep pcm_oss |
| 20:35.42 | wli | The usual output is "Password:" with no "Response:" line. |
| 20:35.46 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Let's discuss instead of diphthongs constitute a single phoneme or not. :P |
| 20:35.49 | simonrvn | !tell DerChillgeselle about root |
| 20:35.59 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, depends on the language |
| 20:36.02 | abrotman | !tell Bhoodha about away |
| 20:36.11 | Gnurdux | in english, dipthongs usually do constitute a single phoneme |
| 20:36.11 | mx-zoom | dvs, ceck #flood pls |
| 20:36.19 | xingu | wli: the sshd - is this openssh3+ ? |
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| 20:36.26 | Gnurdux | like "long i" |
| 20:36.45 | dvs | mx-zoom: ok |
| 20:36.53 | wli | xingu: openssh-server=1:4.3p2-5.1 |
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| 20:37.15 | xsdg | wli: btw, what version of ssh stuff on the machine you were trying to log into this one from? |
| 20:37.17 | stoned | nope, never clicked it |
| 20:37.18 | dvs | mx-zoom: so it's loaded |
| 20:37.22 | mx-zoom | dvs, I really think there is nothing to do but to wait until alsa releases a newer version :/ |
| 20:37.26 | xingu | wli: ok, is it possible that the privsep stuff is b0rk? |
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| 20:38.06 | stoned | robin_sz, my perception is not your responsibility, agreed. However, the way you say things is also not mine. |
| 20:38.23 | dvs | mx-zoom: yeah, you might have to compile your own kernel to get it to work. |
| 20:38.25 | wli | xsdg: I've tried a number of different versions of ssh clients, ranging from 3.5p1 to 3.6.1p2 to 4.3p2 to putty. |
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| 20:38.47 | wli | xingu: I don't know enough about pam to say; it sounds as if you have source-level reconnoiter of pam. |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | !tell Bhoodha about away |
| 20:38.55 | zmotok | hello, anyone using testing/sid with gtk-window-decorator right now? |
| 20:38.56 | wli | xingu: What's the privsep stuff? |
| 20:39.04 | abrotman | testing and sid are different |
| 20:39.05 | mx-zoom | dvs, hehe loads of exams now. Just wanted to listen to some music while studying. I guess ipod will have to do the job |
| 20:39.18 | xsdg | wli: privsep is in ssh; look in your sshd_config |
| 20:39.19 | dvs | mx-zoom: ok |
| 20:39.20 | simonrvn | privilege separation |
| 20:39.27 | JordiGH | !anyone |
| 20:39.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:39.35 | xsdg | wli: there should be something about Privilege Separation; near the bottom iirc |
| 20:39.45 | xingu | wli: no, this is openssh innovations; the auth phase of ssh is deliberately sequestered from the system image and the other parts of the sshd |
| 20:39.54 | blondie | my internets dont work, fix them please????!!! |
| 20:39.57 | xingu | wli: since v3 from memory |
| 20:39.57 | mx-zoom | dvs, thank you for your time anyways. |
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| 20:40.02 | wli | xsdg: grep -nri priv yields no matches in /etc/ssh/ |
| 20:40.03 | dvs | no prob |
| 20:40.03 | zmotok | the real question is: is gtk-window-decorator Working in testing/sid right now? |
| 20:40.05 | Gnurdux | blondie, please be more clear |
| 20:40.14 | xsdg | wli: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 20:40.20 | blondie | my interwebnets dont work |
| 20:40.20 | abrotman | how would you know if it wasn't ? |
| 20:40.22 | zmotok | metacity works, kwin works, gtk-window-decorator does nothing |
| 20:40.24 | buggarage | debian is cool |
| 20:40.26 | abrotman | blondie: intarweb |
| 20:40.31 | wli | xsdg: sshd_config makes no mention of it. |
| 20:40.33 | blondie | abrotman: can you help me??!? |
| 20:40.36 | xsdg | wli: you wanted grep -i |
| 20:40.39 | abrotman | blondie: what did you break? |
| 20:40.40 | xingu | wli: is it possible you now have a non-openssh config writ over the top of sshd_config? |
| 20:40.47 | wli | xsdg: -i was included among the flags. |
| 20:40.49 | blondie | the whole interweb :( |
| 20:40.50 | xsdg | wli: it's UsePrivelegeSeparation |
| 20:40.51 | simonrvn | blondie: you forgot the 'oneoneone111' |
| 20:40.55 | xsdg | wli: hmm... odd... |
| 20:41.02 | blondie | AH! that must be it. |
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| 20:41.15 | blondie | :O |
| 20:41.21 | xsdg | wli: can you try moving your sshd_config somewhere and reinstalling openssh-server? |
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| 20:41.26 | Eulex | retardweb? |
| 20:41.31 | simonrvn | !tell DerChillgeselle about root |
| 20:41.32 | wli | xingu: No, it's just a slightly-modified (by me) Debian config. |
| 20:41.41 | robin_sz | stoned: well, next time I say something and you dont understand it, try assuming its not an insult before assuming it is .. if you wander around looking for ways to be insulted, you'll not have a whole lot of fun. |
| 20:41.50 | abrotman | blondie: why is it borken? |
| 20:41.53 | wli | xsdg: I have the sshd_config.dpkg-dist to look at. |
| 20:41.56 | xingu | wli: the debian one has useprivilegeseparation yes (camelcase) |
| 20:41.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: i don't think it's sinking in |
| 20:42.02 | blondie | abrotman: sorry was being silly :D |
| 20:42.02 | simonrvn | nope |
| 20:42.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 20:42.20 | xsdg | wli: hmm... is PrivilegeSeparation in the dpkg-dist one? |
| 20:42.30 | wli | xingu: sshd_config.dpkg-dist doesn't show that, no. |
| 20:42.37 | wli | xsdg: No. |
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| 20:42.48 | wli | I did downgrade ssh-server, though. |
| 20:43.08 | xingu | wli: something is seriously munged; intersection of "openssh" "v4" and no UsePrivileGeseparation in sshd_config does not compute |
| 20:43.09 | wli | Maybe if I turn off UsePAM |
| 20:43.22 | xingu | wli: aah; it's *openssh*-server... |
| 20:43.32 | xingu | wli: ssh-server is not installed here |
| 20:43.48 | abrotman | no comment |
| 20:43.49 | w0rd54 | xingu: apt-get install ssh |
| 20:43.54 | wli | Sorry, it's openssh-server |
| 20:43.55 | xingu | UsePrivilegeSeparation |
| 20:43.57 | w0rd54 | bora is that you? |
| 20:44.02 | w0rd54 | *borat |
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| 20:44.11 | simonrvn | ... |
| 20:44.28 | wli | UsePAM no lets things work again. |
| 20:44.30 | w0rd54 | abrot is the dislexic spelling of borat |
| 20:44.35 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 20:44.38 | dvs | heh |
| 20:44.39 | w0rd54 | <<<-- dislexic |
| 20:44.52 | wli | I think I'm going to leave it that way. |
| 20:44.56 | xsdg | wli: I've got openssh-server v 4.3p2-1 on my laptop and its config file still mentions PrivilegeSeparation |
| 20:45.02 | abrotman | dyslexic .. moron |
| 20:45.05 | Gnurdux | i just noticed something |
| 20:45.11 | Gnurdux | abrotman, he was joking |
| 20:45.20 | xingu | wli: what is "UseLogin" set as? |
| 20:45.35 | wli | 1G |
| 20:45.45 | Gnurdux | i just noticed that dyslexic has a greek root and a latin root, therefore grammarians wouldn't approve of it :P |
| 20:45.57 | abrotman | Gnurdux: he's being a tard :) |
| 20:46.01 | wli | xingu: The only line with UseLogin in it is commented out. |
| 20:46.43 | xingu | wli: ok, well if you have a working config that's probably enough, but the loss of the privsep config either set on or off either way troubles me at least |
| 20:47.10 | wli | xingu: I should turn PrivilegeSeparation off, right? |
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| 20:47.14 | xingu | wli: that sort of suggests that other bits might be missing from config and toggled to whatever the assumed burned-in-default is |
| 20:47.20 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: Television? |
| 20:47.30 | xingu | wli: debian default seems to be "yes" |
| 20:47.32 | Gnurdux | hmm good point |
| 20:47.35 | xingu | wli: ie, enabled. |
| 20:47.54 | wli | Okay, turned that off. |
| 20:47.59 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: It's not hard to find mixed roots... |
| 20:48.14 | xingu | wli: if you're really keen retest += PAM |
| 20:48.16 | Gnurdux | yea, but aren't they supposed to be bad? |
| 20:48.30 | xsdg | wli: my sshd_config was last modified on 2006-03-01, and it includes privsep; something seems wrong with your setup |
| 20:48.39 | wli | Retesting +pam -privsep |
| 20:49.14 | JordiGH | Gnurdux: I've never heard of that rule, silly as it may be. :-) |
| 20:49.29 | wli | +pam -privsep pukes similarly to before. |
| 20:49.39 | Gnurdux | JordiGH, grammarians are against them (just like they are against everything else) |
| 20:49.51 | wli | Anything else I should have set? UseLogin? |
| 20:50.00 | xingu | wli: try +pam +privsep |
| 20:50.07 | magyar | is there an md5sum package for debian? |
| 20:50.31 | JordiGH | magyar: For Debian? Do you mean for the etch installer? |
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| 20:50.43 | xsdg | wli: how long have you been keeping your own sshd_config? |
| 20:50.50 | JordiGH | magyar: Oh, wait, package, not signature. |
| 20:51.03 | JordiGH | !info isomd5sum |
| 20:51.05 | wli | +pam +privsep is indistinguishable from -pam -privsep |
| 20:51.07 | dpkg | isomd5sum: (ISO9660 checksum utilities), section misc, is optional. Version: 11.1.0.95-2 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 20:51.29 | JordiGH | magyar: Also, md5sum is part of the coreutils package. |
| 20:51.43 | wli | xsdg: Since 1997 or thereabouts. / dates from a slackware installation changed over to Debian with a modified rh2deb script back in '97. |
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| 20:51.53 | wli | xsdg: Might also be late '96. |
| 20:51.55 | xsdg | wli: ok |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:52.22 | wli | xingu: Who do you think I am? |
| 20:52.31 | magyar | JordiGH: how do i check an iso agianst an md5sum file |
| 20:52.31 | xingu | an lkml greybeard. :) |
| 20:52.32 | magyar | ? |
| 20:52.43 | wli | Hey! I don't have a beard! |
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| 20:52.59 | xsdg | wli: could you try moving /etc/ssh out of the way and reinstalling? |
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| 20:53.01 | abrotman | would it be grey if you did ? :) |
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| 20:53.19 | wli | xsdg: I'm loath to... but I'll do it anyway. |
| 20:53.23 | xingu | wli: are you using anything interesting site local wise in pam? one time password stuff (opie or whatever?) |
| 20:53.31 | maxxle_ | I wonder if firefox2 is already in 'testing'. I'm not sure, if the package has another name now?! |
| 20:53.40 | JordiGH | magyar: md5sum the-cd-image.iso |
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| 20:53.43 | moqq | hey i just ran aptitude, and its listing ALL my installed pakcages in the 'obsolete and locally created packages'... |
| 20:53.44 | xsdg | maxxle_: iceweasel |
| 20:53.49 | JordiGH | magyar: That produces a number, after a while of calculations. |
| 20:53.52 | maxxle_ | xsdg: is it in testing? |
| 20:53.54 | xsdg | maxxle_: not sure if it's in testing yet, though |
| 20:53.54 | moqq | though it used to work just fine |
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| 20:53.57 | wli | abrotman: In terms of absolute age, I'm not old enough for that, but I do have a bit of Bride of Frankenstein -ish hairs on my head. |
| 20:54.22 | JordiGH | magyar: Compare that number with whatever the download site says it should be. |
| 20:54.41 | abrotman | wli: hehe |
| 20:54.43 | xingu | wli: current problem space seems to be - anything that can make openssh/pam interactions barf; and that starts to smell like something that is going to make "ChallengeResponseAuthentication no" barf |
| 20:54.58 | maxxle_ | xsdg: It isn't - but thx for the name. |
| 20:55.03 | xsdg | maxxle_: np |
| 20:55.17 | xingu | wli: if -usepam +uselogin works, this is an increasingly accurate diagnosis |
| 20:55.25 | magyar | JordiGH: how do i make it test the iso against the md5sum file? |
| 20:55.39 | xingu | wli: at that point ssh is doing very little in the way of creating the security context |
| 20:55.41 | JordiGH | magyar: Just view the md5sum file. All it has is one number. |
| 20:55.43 | wli | xingu: Okay, you want me to try -usepam +uselogin? I have -uselogin right now. |
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| 20:56.04 | JordiGH | magyar: I guess you could use diff and pipe things around or use xargs, but why bother? An md5sum isn't that long. |
| 20:57.10 | xingu | wli: with -usepam +uselogin, only keyed logins will be handled by sshd; it'll hand the result (keyed+permitted, keyed+denied, no key) to login which will do its own thing as per vty login |
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| 20:57.23 | wli | xingu: -usepam +uselogin works. |
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| 20:58.00 | xingu | wli: ok so there's something seriously fubar with openssh's use of pam; either there's a pam module in pam.d/ssh that is giving it a fit, or something along those lines |
| 20:58.04 | wli | xingu: -usepam +uselogin -privsep more specifically |
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| 20:58.24 | xingu | wli: *nod* |
| 20:58.24 | wli | xingu: Is -usepam +uselogin +privsep meaningful? |
| 20:58.25 | xingu | wli: has sshd lost a suid bit or anything interesting like that? |
| 20:58.35 | xingu | wli: not really; different problem space +/- privsep |
| 20:58.44 | wli | xingu: Yes, it has. |
| 20:59.12 | wli | xingu: I think it's u+s not g+s; is that right? |
| 20:59.15 | xingu | wli: who is sshd (the parent) running as? |
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| 20:59.24 | xsdg | wli: bah; I should have caught this earlier |
| 20:59.28 | xingu | wli: locally, mine is (a) working and (b) not suid just run as root |
| 20:59.34 | xingu | wli: no suid/sgid it seems |
| 20:59.46 | xsdg | wli: your /etc/pam.d/ssh was last modified in 2004, right? |
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| 21:00.05 | Hoxzer | can somebody give me an idea why does my lan interface stop working when I conenct to wireless network? |
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| 21:00.46 | xsdg | Hoxzer: what do you mean by "connect"? |
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| 21:00.55 | strager_stone | Hello :) |
| 21:01.01 | wli | xingu: It's running as root. |
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| 21:01.17 | wli | xsdg: After a downgrade to stable's version of pam, yes. |
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| 21:01.24 | xsdg | aah, stable; that's right |
| 21:01.26 | xingu | wli: so back to pam.d/ssh having something that's giving it the hairy eyeball |
| 21:01.32 | utab_ | hi guys |
| 21:01.37 | tacttic | hi all |
| 21:01.37 | xsdg | wli: what version is that? |
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| 21:01.47 | Coweater | how can you recursively list all the files in a directory with their full paths? |
| 21:01.52 | grendal_prime | well, new etch desktop in the make |
| 21:01.54 | xsdg | Coweater: ls -lR |
| 21:02.01 | xingu | Coweater: find . -type f |
| 21:02.08 | utab_ | I can not ssh to a kubuntu box by using the hostname, what is my problem |
| 21:02.09 | xsdg | Coweater: use the full path when you specify the base directory |
| 21:02.09 | grendal_prime | any advice on the ati9200 video |
| 21:02.10 | wli | 0.76-22 |
| 21:02.16 | Hoxzer | xsdg: :D simple and easy I just click "connect" in rutilt and boom dunno what it really does |
| 21:02.19 | xsdg | utab_: is sshd running? |
| 21:02.22 | grendal_prime | at least i think its a 9200 |
| 21:02.29 | Coweater | xingu: that's it, thanks |
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| 21:03.00 | abrotman | utab_: ask #kubuntu |
| 21:03.01 | grendal_prime | utab_, do you know the IP of the machine? |
| 21:03.01 | xsdg | Hoxzer: it probably turns your wired network interface off when it gets the wireless one going |
| 21:03.16 | raavi_ | Hi Fl |
| 21:03.17 | grendal_prime | ya that too this is not ubuntu |
| 21:03.20 | utab_ | xsdg, I solved that problem, now ok I can ssh with ip buth from both sides I can not ssh with the hostnames |
| 21:03.28 | xsdg | wli: sorry; "what version of openssh-server" is what I meant |
| 21:03.33 | Hoxzer | xsdg: ... that would be ugly |
| 21:03.47 | wli | xsdg: 4.3p2-5.1 |
| 21:03.51 | tacttic | who use gnome, and usually build him last release from source? |
| 21:03.53 | grendal_prime | the machines do not know each other by hosthames..unless you tell them which machine is which |
| 21:03.57 | abrotman | utab_: both are kubuntu ? |
| 21:03.59 | xsdg | Hoxzer: hmm? |
| 21:04.10 | utab_ | abrotman, I am now on debian |
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| 21:04.33 | grendal_prime | utab_, have you made host entries for each machine? |
| 21:04.54 | abrotman | one is running nmbd the other isn't |
| 21:04.56 | xsdg | wli: hmm... can you put the /etc/pam.d/ssh somewhere so I can compare with mine? |
| 21:05.00 | utab_ | grendal_prime, you mean host entries in the etc/hosts |
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| 21:05.37 | utab_ | grendal_prime, On debian for kubuntu and on kubuntu for debian |
| 21:05.39 | grendal_prime | utab_, you have to have something that tells each machine that host....myhostname = 192.168.0.10 |
| 21:05.43 | wli | xsdg: Unless apache broke, too, it's at http://holomorphy.com/~wli/pam.d.ssh |
| 21:05.51 | grendal_prime | or some sort of servers that tells the machines that |
| 21:05.59 | Arawn | utaab_ , u are here ;-) |
| 21:06.00 | tacttic | how specify to Debian boot other gnome build release? I need configure GDM? |
| 21:06.02 | Sembianc1 | I'm running knoppmyth which is based on debian. apt-get/apt-cache works, but it appears to be missing several *-dev packages such as libpango1.0-dev How can I configure apt to find these packages? |
| 21:06.12 | grendal_prime | some machine that the others are pointed to...a domain controler sort of thing |
| 21:06.31 | JordiGH | Sembiance: apt-get update and... |
| 21:06.34 | JordiGH | !based on debian |
| 21:06.34 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 21:06.44 | utab_ | grendal_prime, is that exactly "hostname=<ip-address>" |
| 21:06.53 | Sembiance | Oh, I saw /etc/debian-version :) |
| 21:06.54 | grendal_prime | no no no |
| 21:06.57 | utab_ | grendal_prime, in the hosts file |
| 21:07.04 | grendal_prime | no no no |
| 21:07.05 | Sembiance | err /etc/debian_version heh |
| 21:07.10 | grendal_prime | it does not look exactly like that |
| 21:07.13 | blondie | DHCP server |
| 21:07.19 | utab_ | grendal_prime, ok |
| 21:07.22 | blondie | erm |
| 21:07.23 | blondie | DNS |
| 21:07.29 | grendal_prime | did you do anything like that though? |
| 21:07.42 | utab_ | grendal_prime, no |
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| 21:07.59 | wli | Now I have to figure out who's spewing the motd... |
| 21:08.00 | utab_ | grendal_prime, I have been searching |
| 21:08.00 | xingu | wli: embarrassing question - does /etc/nologin exist? |
| 21:08.03 | xsdg | wli: ok; diff is at http://web.mit.edu/~xsdg/www/pam-ssh.diff |
| 21:08.17 | wli | xingu: Took care of that one already. |
| 21:08.20 | tacttic | anybody use gnome from scratch? |
| 21:08.28 | grendal_prime | ok in the /etc/hosts file if you put things like this.. |
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| 21:08.59 | grendal_prime | 192.168.1.200 freakshow.com www.freakshow.com |
| 21:09.22 | grendal_prime | seperate them with a ...tab? maybe just a space..seems just a space will work. |
| 21:09.26 | xsdg | wli: try commenting out the pam_nologin.so line? |
| 21:09.26 | xingu | wli: gotta scram, good luck |
| 21:09.37 | xsdg | xingu: see you |
| 21:09.37 | utab_ | grendal_prime, ip \tab hostname |
| 21:09.37 | wli | xingu: Thanks. |
| 21:09.40 | xingu | xsdg: get this guy fixed, the world needs him in action |
| 21:09.45 | grendal_prime | may have to restart networking, not exactly sure |
| 21:09.53 | grendal_prime | yep utab_ |
| 21:10.07 | grendal_prime | on each machine for the machines you want it to recognize by hostname. |
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| 21:10.25 | grendal_prime | or you can set one up as a domain controller...am i wrong on any of this guys? |
| 21:10.30 | abrotman | man 5 hostws |
| 21:10.31 | abrotman | man 5 hosts |
| 21:10.39 | wli | Default changed for sshd |
| 21:10.55 | wli | Thus far I seem to be working okay with -usepam -uselogin -privsep |
| 21:11.06 | grendal_prime | wli, is this related to the problem you were talking about for password logins? |
| 21:11.09 | grendal_prime | on etc? |
| 21:11.17 | Sembiance | Can I ask general apt questions in here? Such as how to list all available versions for a given apt package? |
| 21:11.17 | robin_sz | generally speaking, if you have a few hosts, its easier to set up a DNS than use /etc/hosts .. the number of hosts that this happens at is subject of much discussion |
| 21:11.27 | xsdg | wli: "Default changed for sshd"? hmm? |
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| 21:11.45 | robin_sz | some people think you should set up DNS for beyond 2 hosts, other think its less than that |
| 21:11.52 | wli | grendal_prime: Yes, we've gotten a working config (i.e. by disabling pam in sshd) and now it's mostly follow-up for whoever wants to find out more about what went wrong. |
| 21:12.00 | wli | xsdg: Default of PrintMotd |
| 21:12.18 | utab_ | grendal_prime, thx for the hints |
| 21:12.20 | xsdg | aah |
| 21:12.39 | grendal_prime | it must just be a dist upgrade thing...because a fresh install did not show this problem, not yesterday anyway.. |
| 21:13.08 | wli | grendal_prime: Yes, dist-upgrade destroyed my installation... I'll be cleaning this up for years. |
| 21:13.20 | grendal_prime | i have a new build compleating in 10 min |
| 21:13.24 | grendal_prime | wli sorry to hear that... |
| 21:13.56 | wli | I never really had everything fixed from the last dist-upgrade. |
| 21:14.04 | JordiGH | Sembiance: Yes. apt-cache policy packagename |
| 21:14.04 | grendal_prime | ya i tried it as well(hope it makes you feel better) my got hosed as well, i rsynced the users dir's to a backup server here first though... |
| 21:14.08 | xsdg | wli: have you tried the change I mentioned? |
| 21:14.22 | wli | xsdg: Which one? |
| 21:14.29 | grendal_prime | nonw im rebuilding to etch from scratch. |
| 21:14.34 | Sembiance | JordiGH: thanks |
| 21:14.37 | xsdg | wli: try commenting out the "auth required pam_nologin.so" line |
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| 21:15.11 | Sembiance | JordiGH: Can I find out what files were installed/belong to an already installed package? |
| 21:15.14 | wli | xsdg: With what +/- for usepam privsep uselogin? |
| 21:15.47 | xsdg | +usepam -privsep -uselogin |
| 21:15.54 | JordiGH | Sembiance: Er, search in packages.debian.org (if you installed from a Debian repository). If you want to do the reverse, see which files a package installed, do dpkg -L packagename. |
| 21:16.00 | xsdg | (that should be "default", iirc) |
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| 21:16.27 | abrotman | !tell Sembiance about search |
| 21:16.45 | wli | xsdg: Pukes the same way as all pam. |
| 21:17.55 | xsdg | wli: restarted sshd? (not sure if that matters, but just in case) |
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| 21:19.33 | madman215 | how can i find out my glibc version? |
| 21:19.50 | xsdg | madman215: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 21:22.15 | utab_ | I am trying to run matlab on a remote server(I connect through ssh)but I can not do graphical things |
| 21:22.15 | abrotman | /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 21:22.15 | abrotman | utab_: on what kind of machine ? |
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| 21:22.26 | abrotman | utab_: which OS i mean |
| 21:22.53 | utab_ | abrotman, debian on the cluster and debian on my box |
| 21:23.09 | abrotman | matlab also isn't in debian |
| 21:23.12 | utab_ | abrotman, I am not sure if that is debian on the cluster though |
| 21:23.44 | utab_ | abrotman, I could not get your last question |
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| 21:24.44 | xsdg | wli: also, if you upgrade to the latest openssh-server, does /etc/pam.d/ssh get changed? |
| 21:25.24 | utab_ | abrotman, maybe that is best to ask this to the guys who run the cluster |
| 21:25.52 | abrotman | or who wrote matlab |
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| 21:26.17 | xsdg | abrotman: eh? |
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| 21:26.26 | abrotman | hi |
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| 21:26.36 | maxamillion | !bot |
| 21:26.37 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 21:26.41 | maxamillion | rgr |
| 21:26.46 | abrotman | xsdg: what's confusing ? |
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| 21:26.55 | abrotman | maxamillion: got a problem with the bot ? |
| 21:27.14 | xsdg | abrotman: nm |
| 21:27.16 | maxamillion | abrotman: no, friend wanted to message the bot for info about aptitude and i forgot the bots name |
| 21:27.31 | maxamillion | abrotman: just thought that would be the easiest way to find out :) |
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| 21:27.55 | madman215 | linux games make me mad |
| 21:28.07 | maxamillion | madman215: why? |
| 21:28.10 | hackman127 | Guys, I'm having trouble configuring a firewall that has 2 internet connections. We are not doing load balancing |
| 21:28.15 | hackman127 | Doh |
| 21:28.26 | abrotman | maxamillion: try #debian-bots |
| 21:28.31 | Nibbier | hackman127, whatsup? load balancing is not too easy.... |
| 21:28.38 | maxamillion | abrotman: ah, thanks |
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| 21:28.49 | hackman127 | Nibbier, Premature ENTER... More to follow... :-) |
| 21:28.49 | Nibbier | hackman127, so,what are u doing with 2 if not balancing? |
| 21:28.55 | Nibbier | :) |
| 21:29.21 | madman215 | maxamillion: i get errors saying i need packages i already have |
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| 21:29.56 | abrotman | madman215: like what ? |
| 21:30.10 | hackman127 | Guys, I'm having trouble configuring a firewall that has 2 internet connections. We are not doing load balancing or anything fancy, I just have a T1 as the primary interface and a DSL line that I use as a back door. It seems that the interface that is brought up first, is the only interface that works. I can ping everything locally, but I cannot ping the interface brought up second remotely. |
| 21:30.16 | madman215 | ./el-132.x86.linux.bin: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libcal3d.so.11) |
| 21:30.22 | possie | anyone know if there is a way to make a firewall redundant without having to maintain iptables on two seperate machines? |
| 21:30.40 | xsdg | madman215: "stop using ancient software"? |
| 21:31.00 | xsdg | madman215: err... oops; ignore that |
| 21:31.03 | madman215 | i have to |
| 21:31.04 | fass | anyone has problems with etch and dhcp? |
| 21:31.08 | madman215 | ok |
| 21:31.13 | petemc | hackman127: /msg dpkg split access |
| 21:31.23 | xsdg | madman215: but it does want you to use a different version of libc6 |
| 21:31.31 | fass | I installed etch with netinst, and works fine |
| 21:31.49 | fass | but after the 1st reboot the net doesn't work |
| 21:32.10 | xsdg | fass: man 5 interfaces |
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| 21:32.19 | abrotman | madman215: that's totally different |
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| 21:32.49 | cusco | ls |
| 21:32.54 | hackman127 | petemc, What's the split access about? |
| 21:32.54 | fass | I think my interfaces file it's fine |
| 21:32.59 | klohunt | I just installed etch, and notice that when I try to move a window or scroll down a long webpage, it refreshes very slowly and choppy... Does anyone know why this may be? |
| 21:33.03 | fass | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:33.03 | fass | auto eth0 |
| 21:33.03 | fass | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:33.18 | xsdg | fass: what do you mean by "net doesn't work," then? |
| 21:33.38 | petemc | hackman127: you dont want to read it? |
| 21:33.52 | fass | dhcp don't work,, always say NO DHCPOFFERS |
| 21:34.21 | hackman127 | petemc, Oh! I didn't see the tab pop up in my IRC client |
| 21:34.25 | fass | but while the installation it worked |
| 21:34.29 | hackman127 | petemc, Thanks, I'll check that out. |
| 21:34.42 | petemc | np |
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| 21:34.59 | xsdg | fass: hmm; what does `lspci` say about network adapters? |
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| 21:35.13 | klohunt | Could it be lagging because I dont have my nvidia drivers yet? |
| 21:35.16 | fass | lspci |
| 21:35.17 | fass | 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11) |
| 21:35.31 | fass | it seems to be ok |
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| 21:36.32 | fass | and the kernel modul tulip is in lsmod |
| 21:36.37 | xsdg | ok |
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| 21:36.53 | xsdg | does the interface exist once you boot? if not, is the tulip module installed? |
| 21:37.08 | fass | yes |
| 21:37.44 | xsdg | fass: hmm... |
| 21:38.04 | fass | and dmesg don't says nothing ... |
| 21:38.37 | fass | # grep eth0 /var/log/messages |
| 21:38.37 | fass | Dec 2 19:35:05 groucho kernel: eth0: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001e000, 00:50:BF:E2:F6:10, IRQ 11. |
| 21:38.37 | fass | Dec 2 19:35:05 groucho kernel: eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII#1 link partner capability of 41e1. |
| 21:38.37 | fass | Dec 2 19:38:24 groucho kernel: eth0: Setting full-duplex based on MII#1 link partner capability of 41e1. |
| 21:38.37 | fass | Dec 2 22:56:48 groucho kernel: eth0: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001e000, 00:50:BF:E2:F6:10, IRQ 11. |
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| 21:38.44 | madman215 | dpkg says my glibc is 2.4-9 |
| 21:38.45 | dpkg | okay, madman215 |
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| 21:39.08 | madman215 | doh |
| 21:39.25 | xsdg | dpkg: forget says my glibc |
| 21:39.25 | dpkg | i forgot says my glibc, xsdg |
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| 21:40.27 | madman215 | xsdg: dpkg -l glibc says my versio is 2.4 |
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| 21:40.34 | Pippo | salve a tutti |
| 21:40.38 | Pippo | avrei un problema |
| 21:40.41 | Pippo | con la mia scheda di rete |
| 21:40.45 | Pippo | qualkuno mi puo aiutare? |
| 21:40.54 | wli | I'm a bit too skittish to do anything but put pam and ssh on hold. |
| 21:40.57 | fass | and /var/log/message says |
| 21:41.04 | Pippo | fass? |
| 21:41.05 | xsdg | Pippo: try #debian-it |
| 21:41.09 | fass | eth0: ADMtek Comet rev 17 at 0001e000, |
| 21:41.10 | Pippo | ok |
| 21:41.13 | xsdg | wli: ok |
| 21:41.17 | xsdg | wli: good luck, then |
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| 21:41.39 | fass | yes |
| 21:41.41 | Pippo | can you help me? |
| 21:41.43 | Pippo | fass^ |
| 21:41.55 | fass | I'm not a debian expert |
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| 21:42.15 | Pippo | :( |
| 21:42.25 | fass | I have one problem with dhcp and debian etch |
| 21:42.31 | Pippo | i need to install a ethernet |
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| 21:43.02 | aubergine | in a php script the folowing output is be send: Updated -5 hours -35 minutes -29 seconds ago. but the system time is correct. could it be the time of the mysql server or whatever? |
| 21:43.10 | fass | xsdg: any idea about the dhcp problem? |
| 21:43.12 | robin_sz | weird, surely one thing that most (all?) businesses need is clocking in or time and attendance software, yet there seems to be zero open source stuff for that |
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| 21:43.39 | xsdg | fass: hmm... can you set the IP manually? |
| 21:43.50 | fass | no, don't work |
| 21:44.07 | fass | the ip is asignet but the network don't work |
| 21:44.15 | xsdg | fass: ok; odd |
| 21:44.30 | robin_sz | netmask and default gateway OK? |
| 21:45.04 | abrotman | route -n |
| 21:45.06 | fass | If I assign manually, yes |
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| 21:46.00 | crn | Pippo, man interfaces |
| 21:46.17 | robin_sz | and if you assign manually the netmask and gateway, it still doesnt work? |
| 21:46.50 | fass | yes, doesn't work |
| 21:47.15 | klohunt | Anyone installed nvidia drivers on etch? |
| 21:47.16 | robin_sz | and if you try to ping another host on the network by ip address instead of name? |
| 21:47.40 | fass | I try to make a ping to the router |
| 21:47.45 | xsdg | fass: the only thing I can think of is a driver issue resulting from the different kernel versions run by and installed by the installer |
| 21:47.48 | fass | but no answer |
| 21:48.13 | robin_sz | then you might have to try tcpdump |
| 21:48.28 | fass | it can be |
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| 21:48.35 | xsdg | fass: what kernel version are you installing? |
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| 21:48.52 | robin_sz | you can always watch the activity lights to get a clue as to if its going in and out |
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| 21:49.16 | blondie | I like a good bit of the old in-out in-out |
| 21:49.18 | fass | Iuname -a |
| 21:49.19 | fass | Linux groucho 2.6.17-2-486 #1 Wed Sep 13 15:56:30 UTC 2006 i586 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:49.59 | fass | the activity light seems to be ok |
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| 21:50.27 | xsdg | fass: hmm... |
| 21:50.48 | xsdg | fass: can you show the output of `ifconfig` in #flood? |
| 21:51.09 | fass | #fllood? |
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| 21:51.55 | fass | fconfig eth0 |
| 21:51.55 | fass | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:50:BF:E2:F6:10 |
| 21:51.55 | fass | inet6 addr: fe80::250:bfff:fee2:f610/64 Scope:Link |
| 21:52.05 | fass | UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 21:52.06 | fass | RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 21:52.06 | fass | TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 |
| 21:52.20 | fass | ollisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 |
| 21:52.20 | fass | RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) |
| 21:52.20 | fass | Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000 |
| 21:52.22 | xsdg | fass: #flood because you shouldn't paste things in here |
| 21:52.32 | fass | ohhh soryy |
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| 21:52.49 | fass | #flood |
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| 21:54.17 | fass | I'm using X-Chat, where can I invoke to #flood? |
| 21:54.34 | xsdg | fass: /join #flood |
| 21:54.43 | fass | thanks |
| 21:54.45 | xsdg | fass: but I saw it already :o) |
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| 21:55.06 | fass | ahh ok |
| 21:55.37 | utab_ | how to shut the debian box completely, poweroff just cuts the cpu energy |
| 21:55.46 | xsdg | fass: ok, so what happens if you try setting your IP by hand? |
| 21:55.57 | xsdg | utab_: `shutdown` as root |
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| 21:56.36 | fass | then, the Ip is correct but when I try to make a ping to the router says the same message |
| 21:56.46 | xsdg | utab_: if you want, you can configure acpid to run `shutdown` when you hit the power button |
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| 21:56.58 | fass | no host un... |
| 21:56.59 | utab_ | xsdg, I tried that before but any time I have to shut the power from the button |
| 21:57.11 | utab_ | xsdg, oh wait I have not read |
| 21:57.25 | xsdg | utab_: :o) /etc/acpi/... |
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| 21:58.34 | utab_ | xsdg, but that is different when I give the shutdown -h now as the root I have to use the main power supply button, this is an old box so this can be a reason |
| 21:58.49 | utab_ | xsdg, maybe I am not sure |
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| 21:58.58 | montoya | mkisofs: |
| 21:58.58 | montoya | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.23 | xsdg | utab_: oh; it it's pre-APM, you're out of luck; it it's APM but not ACPI, you may have to mess with your kernel settings, but you should be able to get it to work |
| 22:00.38 | utab_ | xsdg, if it is not a functional point, I wont touch it, my first principle for computers |
| 22:01.06 | utab_ | xsdg, and it is not leave it as it is |
| 22:01.17 | utab_ | xsdg, thx anyway and c u |
| 22:01.22 | xsdg | utab_: ok; see you |
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| 22:02.02 | fass | xsdg: thanks a lot, tomorrow will be another nice nice day! |
| 22:02.45 | robin_sz | I gave up with APM on this laptop .. if the battery goes low, it will hibernate and wake up again, no problem ... and it will poweroff OK, but it wont go to sleep when you shut the lid. oh no. |
| 22:02.56 | xsdg | heh |
| 22:03.21 | robin_sz | whats the sleep command? shutdown -s ? |
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| 22:04.27 | xsdg | robin_sz: dunno, sorry |
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| 22:06.50 | robin_sz | ooh, I have a /proc/acpi/* |
| 22:07.12 | robin_sz | even a /proc/acpi/wakeup |
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| 22:11.35 | aubergine | my system time correct but php use a other timezone the configured standard with tzconfig |
| 22:11.40 | aubergine | what could that be? |
| 22:11.47 | Guerin | aubergine: #php |
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| 22:12.22 | aubergine | in the debian channel are the ppl that knot everthing not in #php :D |
| 22:12.55 | sussudio | !eat aubergine |
| 22:12.59 | Ilovemypuppy | if I want to set up a secure webserver (https) what manuals-packages should I be looking at if ive got apache2 installed? |
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| 22:15.36 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/apache2* |
| 22:16.13 | madman215 | so can anyone figure out why im getting these errors for packages i already have installed |
| 22:16.16 | biopyte | dpkg -s aubergine |
| 22:16.16 | dpkg | You Fool! aubergine is installed! |
| 22:16.28 | aubergine | abrotman do you know my question? |
| 22:16.37 | Ronin | aubergine: i bet #php may though |
| 22:16.45 | Gnea | madman215: no |
| 22:17.03 | abrotman | aubergine: #php :) |
| 22:17.15 | abrotman | aubergine: ask #php where it gets its timezone config |
| 22:18.30 | aubergine | ok thats a godd question thanks |
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| 22:19.29 | abrotman | aubergine: what does hwclock say ? |
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| 22:20.02 | aubergine | the time in CET |
| 22:20.11 | aubergine | hwclock and date are system wide correct |
| 22:20.41 | aubergine | only php uses the time in 'GMT |
| 22:20.56 | abrotman | /etc/default/rcS says what about the timezone ? |
| 22:20.58 | abrotman | or UTC |
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| 22:21.10 | shadowarts-mac | i did a remote install onto a system with multiple partitions ( /tmp /var /usr and / all seperate ), but im trying to figure out how to reactive the swap partition (i reformated the swap as a ext3 to use to install on) |
| 22:21.28 | shadowarts-mac | if i do mkswap my system looses all its files |
| 22:21.36 | martin__ | hello, can you help me with slovak keyboard settings? |
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| 22:22.54 | martin__ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/kZ090G26.html |
| 22:23.17 | aubergine | localhost:~# /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:23.17 | aubergine | -bash: /etc/default/rcS: Permission denied |
| 22:23.39 | pumpkin0 | shadowarts-mac: try to figure out which partition contains which files and make sure the swap is located on a unused partition. |
| 22:23.45 | abrotman | grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 22:24.06 | shadowarts-mac | pumpkin0, it is booting onto /dev/hda1 (what is supposed to be the root parition) |
| 22:24.15 | shadowarts-mac | and /dev/hda7 is the swap |
| 22:24.20 | aubergine | # Set UTC=yes if your system clock is set to UTC (GMT), and UTC=no if not. |
| 22:24.21 | aubergine | UTC=no |
| 22:24.39 | shadowarts-mac | i copy all the files from /dev/hda7 to /dev/hda1 etc |
| 22:24.41 | Guerin | aubergine: so follow the instructions |
| 22:24.47 | pumpkin0 | shadowarts-mac: and hda7 is formated using ext3 ? |
| 22:24.54 | shadowarts-mac | yes |
| 22:24.58 | aubergine | Guerin: which? |
| 22:24.59 | shadowarts-mac | i want to turn it back into a swap |
| 22:25.03 | shadowarts-mac | mount shows it is not mounted |
| 22:25.10 | Guerin | aubergine: the one you just pasted |
| 22:25.17 | madman215 | that sucks |
| 22:25.28 | aubergine | UTC=-no is correct |
| 22:25.28 | pumpkin0 | shadowarts-mac: OK, so mkswap should do the trick... |
| 22:25.38 | shadowarts-mac | pumpkin0, except it doesnt |
| 22:25.40 | aubergine | my timezone is GMT |
| 22:25.48 | pumpkin0 | shadowarts-mac: what happens ? |
| 22:25.48 | Guerin | aubergine: GMT=UTC |
| 22:25.51 | shadowarts-mac | all my files are lost (they are still on the paritions though) |
| 22:25.55 | shadowarts-mac | but a reboot wont work |
| 22:26.13 | aubergine | Guerin=yes sorry i mean Europe/Berlin |
| 22:26.21 | pumpkin0 | shadowarts-mac: did you reinstall grub ? |
| 22:26.28 | Guerin | aubergine: ok, that's not GMT |
| 22:26.43 | shadowarts-mac | would i have to? |
| 22:26.47 | shadowarts-mac | i edit grub conf |
| 22:27.00 | shadowarts-mac | /dev/hda1 is always the boot parition |
| 22:27.48 | freebse | <shadowarts-mac> you need to change fstab |
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| 22:28.31 | shadowarts-mac | im just changing the root parition so i can boot into a half-way installed system then copy that back over to the original paritionns (after formating them) |
| 22:28.50 | shadowarts-mac | freebse, i did, i put back the original /etc/fstab |
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| 22:29.55 | freebse | <shadowarts-mac> with grub (somebody said in here) it should boot |
| 22:30.36 | shadowarts-mac | well it reboots okay its when i do 'mkswap' that it fails |
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| 22:32.04 | nvz | shadowarts-mac: I've heard you say "mkswap" and "fails" too many times now.. when I run " |
| 22:32.21 | nvz | shadowarts-mac: "mkswap" it fails too because I dont be specific |
| 22:32.43 | shadowarts-mac | i said, my entire filesystem disappears basically |
| 22:32.53 | nvz | aamkswap: error: Nowhere to set up swap on? |
| 22:33.02 | nvz | DUH |
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| 22:33.11 | nvz | if you mkswap on a partition it FORMATS it |
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| 22:33.20 | shadowarts-mac | nvz, i understand that |
| 22:33.35 | shadowarts-mac | i dont have the partition im doing mkswap on mounted |
| 22:33.40 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 22:33.41 | nvz | well ffs show us what you type and what the error is already |
| 22:33.51 | nvz | you dont mount swap partitions |
| 22:33.56 | nvz | so thats irrelevant |
| 22:34.07 | nvz | I've heard that too many times now too |
| 22:34.25 | shadowarts-mac | nvz, i used the swap parition to reinstall the system, its an ext3 atm |
| 22:34.56 | nvz | shadowarts-mac: so change to type 82 linux swap and mkswap and swapon |
| 22:35.06 | nvz | O |
| 22:35.14 | nvz | again I've heard you say all this before |
| 22:35.19 | yassine | i have the problem indeed that i can not finde the exact linux-source package that match my kernel version even that im using a pure debian linux-image (no custom kernel) any idea hwo to get the exact match sources ? |
| 22:35.35 | nvz | I see not where there is any problem here other than you repeating the same irrelevant info over and over |
| 22:35.46 | Guerin | yassine: you probably need a new one |
| 22:35.51 | jastarafi` | sup? |
| 22:35.55 | DrthHmstr | hello |
| 22:35.59 | Guerin | yassine: what branch of debian are you using? |
| 22:36.01 | jastarafi` | dunno |
| 22:36.05 | yassine | Guerin, etch |
| 22:36.08 | DrthHmstr | I'll think about it |
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| 22:36.36 | shadowarts-mac | nvz, well im trying to get some help and you were asking questions |
| 22:37.00 | freebse | <shadowarts-mac> you need to change ext3 to swap in fdisk or whatever 1st, then mkswap, you can not make a swap partition from ext3 just with mkswap |
| 22:37.27 | Guerin | yassine: aptitude search linux-image linux-source |
| 22:37.28 | pumpkin0 | shadowarts-mac: OK, letīs speed this up: upload /etc/fstab, /proc/mounts, the output of mount and the output of the mkswap-command somewhere. |
| 22:37.32 | shadowarts-mac | freebse, that is exactly what im doing though, thats why im confused about it |
| 22:37.39 | Guerin | yassine: download a new kernel and matching source package, reboot |
| 22:37.53 | yassine | Guerin, does --> linux-source-2.6.17 match with 2.6.17-2-686 ?? |
| 22:37.53 | wols_ | why can't I? I can make a swap partition of anything I like |
| 22:38.18 | shadowarts-mac | pumpkin0, your going to have to wait, i have to reinstall the system again (im doinng this on a test system first obivously) |
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| 22:38.33 | nvz | shadowarts-mac: I never asked you any questions I am just telling you that you have repeatedly supplied useless information in the form of a request for help in changing an unmounted type 83 linux partition to type 82 linux swap and doing mkswap and swapon.. wherein lies a problem? |
| 22:38.42 | freebse | <shadowarts-mac> sorry about this then, I should read evertthing before posting something :) |
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| 22:39.50 | Guerin | yassine: yes |
| 22:39.56 | nvz | because the only problem I have been aware of is a PEBKAC |
| 22:39.57 | Guerin | yassine: the -2 is a build number |
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| 22:40.41 | yassine | Guerin, this is only causing me trouble since im trying to compile an misdn driver and get this error : http://rafb.net/paste/results/EnvDqv84.html |
| 22:40.47 | maxxle | I'm a user and want to do 'shutdown -a -h 90'. My username is in /etc/shutdown.allow. The System tells me that 'you must be root to do that'. Why is there this problem with shudown.allow? |
| 22:41.01 | Guerin | yassine: you need a source that matches your kernel. Try again when you have one. |
| 22:41.48 | h3sp4wn | yassine: Can it not compile with just the headers ? |
| 22:42.04 | freebse | na does not work |
| 22:42.13 | yassine | Guerin, but you just said that the two above are matching ? |
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| 22:43.01 | yassine | h3sp4wn, im not aware if its possible but in the documentations of the devs its not mentioned |
| 22:43.29 | Guerin | yassine: yes. It doesn't look like you're running that 2.6.17-2-686 kernel |
| 22:44.00 | Guerin | yassine: by the way, the early 1990s want their internet connection back |
| 22:44.24 | yassine | Guerin, its for asterisk |
| 22:45.02 | nvz | MaliutaWrk: is the user that is in shutdown.allow logged in? |
| 22:45.12 | nvz | maxxle: is the user that is in shutdown.allow logged in? |
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| 22:47.42 | nvz | maxxle: shutdown can only be ran as root |
| 22:48.31 | nvz | maxxle: you will need to read the manpage and setup /etc/inittab properly to use C-A-D or something to shutdown as a user.. and that user will have to be in /etc/shutdown.allow and logged in |
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| 22:51.09 | nvz | maxxle: shutdown(8) "Shutdown wasn't designed to be run setuid. /etc/shutdown.allow is not used to find out who is executing shutdown, it ONLY checks who is currently logged in on (one of the) console(s)." |
| 22:54.10 | maxxle | nvz: I'm a little confused. |
| 22:54.23 | nvz | it happens |
| 22:54.49 | maxxle | nvz: I AM the user that is logged in. I AM the user that is in /etc/shutdown.allow and I AM the user who wants to shutdown the machine |
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| 22:55.20 | nvz | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18152 2006-09-10 11:52 /sbin/shutdown |
| 22:55.32 | nvz | maxxle: its not designed to be run by a normal user |
| 22:55.40 | nvz | thats why its in sbin |
| 22:55.53 | nvz | its a super-user binary |
| 22:56.06 | nvz | it couldnt do its job without being a super-user |
| 22:56.12 | maxxle | I see. |
| 22:56.36 | maxxle | But what if we talk about linux on the desktop. Isn't it a good idea to allow a shutdown from a user?!? |
| 22:56.41 | nvz | your display manager or such would offer you a way to shutdown the system |
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| 22:56.59 | xingu | wli: get your ssh stuff sorted? |
| 22:57.04 | maxxle | Yes - my XFCE/KDE does - but what about timetriggerd shutdown? |
| 22:57.34 | nvz | maxxle: the idea is that in linux unlike say windows users can be logged in and running applications simultaniously.. wouldnt want another user causing you to loose your work |
| 22:58.32 | maxxle | nvz: I know what u mean. But if the box is used by one user only the user must be able to shutdown |
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| 22:59.44 | maxxle | nvz: i could use 'halt' instead. But there is no time-Flag for that |
| 22:59.54 | maxxle | And halt can be used by every user |
| 23:00.01 | DavidProck1982 | does any one know what ata1 prot would be , and ata2 port also |
| 23:00.02 | nvz | maxxle: they can if they supply a password. else set them up (providing they really are the only user and arent worried about the consequences) a way to sudo /sbin/shutdown without a password or make use of /etc/inittab and C-A-D |
| 23:00.35 | nvz | maxxle: you could "sleep 90 && halt" |
| 23:01.54 | maxxle | nvz. I think i will do it this way - or i use 'at'. But i don't have a clue what the designers of shutdown thought when writing the software |
| 23:01.56 | menace | maxxle: shutting down without password (same user) is bad. think of the windows xp virus, which shutted down the computer after 50 seconds |
| 23:02.55 | maxxle | Maybe a special switch should be implemented in shutdown AND a special file in /etc/ where the users are listed that are allowed to shut down the machine. |
| 23:03.10 | maxxle | That would solve the problem in a 'good' way |
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| 23:04.08 | nvz | maxxle: you could NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown in visudo and that would be a solution |
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| 23:05.53 | killown | how I do mplayer to set video as wallpaper? |
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| 23:06.20 | abrotman | ask #mplayer |
| 23:06.47 | possie | is there a "debain way" of storing "static routes" some where |
| 23:07.11 | maxxle | nvz: Thank you. There are a couple of workarounds. IMHO the design of the shutdown-app is wrong :) |
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| 23:08.36 | nvz | maxxle: yeah well us die-hards say the same about users sometimes |
| 23:09.11 | nvz | maxxle: we get the feeling users might have been assembled improperly with "extra" parts left over |
| 23:09.27 | nvz | but thats just another perspective for ya |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | nothing in the interfaces file ? |
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| 23:10.03 | nvz | better be unless you plan on interfacing manually :P |
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| 23:12.03 | amico | is there a way to monitor or emulate a connected shh session besides logs?, kinda like vnc works, but only in a term enviroment? |
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| 23:12.32 | rfrank | Anyone know of a good picture viewer for xfce |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | eog or feh |
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| 23:13.41 | liable | screen -x? |
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| 23:14.07 | amico | -x? |
| 23:14.26 | amico | is that in a X-windows Enviroment? |
| 23:14.34 | amico | or console mode? |
| 23:14.56 | liable | read the man page, i think its -x you want |
| 23:15.29 | yassine | any idea how to test an isdn kard with no isdn connection possible at the moment ? :) |
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| 23:24.24 | dashome | I'm looking for a simple DNS server that will pass through most requests to my ISP, but provide about 2-3 name lookups for my local network. |
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| 23:26.37 | abrotman | bind does that by default |
| 23:27.02 | EnterUserName | darnit |
| 23:27.06 | EnterUserName | i dont wanna be in debianoverflow ;)o |
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| 23:28.44 | dashome | abrotman: Hmmmm, I was hoping for something a little more lightweight. |
| 23:28.57 | abrotman | there are other small dns servers |
| 23:29.00 | abrotman | maybe ask #dns |
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| 23:29.51 | dashome | Good idea, thanks. |
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| 23:30.24 | h3sp4wn | dashome: dnsmasq is pretty simple |
| 23:30.35 | h3sp4wn | dashome: (to configure that is) |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | but does it allow for local lookups ? |
| 23:30.56 | h3sp4wn | dashome: dns proxy and provides names for lan clients |
| 23:31.06 | rfrank | Is there a good tutorial somewhere for setting up dual monitors |
| 23:31.24 | rfrank | I did it once a long time ago, had to edit the x config file but I dont' remember what IW as supposed to do |
| 23:31.31 | dashome | Cool. |
| 23:32.05 | dashome | dnsmasq looks like what I want. |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | !xinerama |
| 23:32.31 | dpkg | methinks xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 23:35.00 | efaistos | where can i find mkfs.hfsplus ? |
| 23:35.06 | efaistos | any idea ? |
| 23:38.33 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
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| 23:41.14 | PeNNiSmEn | mm hello what can do for stop attack DDoS? in apache? |
| 23:41.14 | krazykit | hrm. is there any reason that libdcop-perl doesn't exist in sid? |
| 23:41.35 | PeNNiSmEn | i have mod_limitipcon, mod_evasive, apf firewall but i canīt stop it |
| 23:41.49 | PeNNiSmEn | some know can stop? |
| 23:42.04 | PeNNiSmEn | thanks very much |
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| 23:43.39 | abrotman | turn it off |
| 23:43.44 | abrotman | or ask #apache |
| 23:44.30 | efaistos | abrotman: any idea ? |
| 23:45.02 | abrotman | !tell efaistos about search |
| 23:45.08 | abrotman | !find mkfs.hfsplus sarge |
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| 23:45.16 | peder_ | I cant get apt to work propely. Cant remove some packages, anyone have any idea? http://pastebin.no/587 |
| 23:45.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mkfs.hfsplus' returned no results. |
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| 23:45.47 | abrotman | !info postfix sarge |
| 23:45.53 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 783 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB |
| 23:46.06 | abrotman | peder_: are you running your mailserver on sid ? |
| 23:46.44 | peder_ | abrotman- actually im running ubuntu edgy, but they couldnt help so they sent me here |
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| 23:47.22 | abrotman | peder_: guess what .. neither can we .. back to #ubuntu for you |
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| 23:51.12 | krazykit | peder_: read the topic. this is not #ubuntu |
| 23:51.27 | krazykit | ah, beaten. |
| 23:51.46 | rfrank | :| |
| 23:52.20 | krazykit | i used it on my laptop for awhile... too much "hold your hand", especially the support channel. |
| 23:52.29 | wireddd | I was a ubuntu user for all of two hours |
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| 23:56.44 | rfrank | Ubuntu is a great starter linux installation |
| 23:57.17 | krazykit | eh... |
| 23:57.28 | rfrank | but xfce > gnome |
| 23:57.36 | rfrank | ubuntu users: but xubuntu! |
| 23:57.36 | krazykit | i think if i had started with ubuntu, i wouldn't be as knowledgable |
| 23:57.51 | krazykit | oh, i used xubuntu as a base... |
| 23:57.51 | rfrank | Linux is a hard concept to pick up |
| 23:57.51 | wireddd | I started with slackware |
| 23:57.56 | krazykit | but dumped xfce in favor of e17 |
| 23:57.58 | rfrank | my server runs slackware :P |
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| 23:58.02 | styvy | as live-cd i prefer mepis, kanotix and kurumin, for easy intallation the new debian-installer will be a great challenge to them |
| 23:58.05 | rfrank | but slackware installer, jesus, installs waaaaayyy too much shit |
| 23:58.13 | wireddd | yeah |
| 23:58.17 | rfrank | probably 2gb of useless crap |
| 23:58.21 | krazykit | does slackware have a package manager yet? |
| 23:58.30 | rfrank | just their .tgz files |
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| 23:58.58 | k-man | what's a good app for ripping and encoding cds? |
| 23:59.00 | rosen37 | is there a log somewhere of the apt-get done on a machine? |
| 23:59.02 | krazykit | k-man: abcde |
| 23:59.10 | nvz | k-man: cdparanoia |
| 23:59.19 | styvy | k-man:grip |
| 23:59.20 | krazykit | cdparanoia doesn't encode ;-) |
| 23:59.23 | nvz | k-man: grip for a frontend |
| 23:59.23 | rfrank | k-man, bmp |
| 23:59.38 | nvz | krazykit: yeah well he didnt specify an encoding |
| 23:59.41 | k-man | nvz, thanks |
| 23:59.45 | cydork | rosen37: if you use etch or sid then there is a dpkg log.. |
| 23:59.45 | k-man | grip is still good then? |
| 23:59.48 | krazykit | nvz: yeah he did. |
| 23:59.51 | k-man | i used to use grip about 5 years ago iirc |
