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| 00:01.00 | pickcoder | if they can ever finalize the Office XML format, .doc will be a thing of the past |
| 00:01.09 | pickcoder | so will .xls |
| 00:01.26 | esteel | pipeline: how dare you? :))) |
| 00:01.36 | esteel | <pipeline> JordiGH: I don't like nexuiz at all, so I wouldn't know. |
| 00:02.12 | JordiGH | pickcoder: It's gonna be hard to kill .doc :-/ |
| 00:02.45 | JordiGH | pickcoder: .bmp still exists, f'rinstance, although that's an open format? |
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| 00:03.04 | pickcoder | bmp is still useful |
| 00:03.08 | pickcoder | .doc is questionable |
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| 00:03.19 | mon_ | i'm wondering. if i assign user mon to say group wheel, is there a way to reload the groups 'mon' is in? |
| 00:03.22 | pickcoder | tho png is far superior |
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| 00:03.46 | pipeline | esteel: I don't like it, therefore I refrain from comment? |
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| 00:03.53 | pipeline | esteel: what's wrong with that? |
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| 00:04.09 | esteel | pipeline: nah, its ok. it was just a joke.. |
| 00:04.13 | robin_sz | is there an IRC channel for Open Office? |
| 00:04.13 | JordiGH | According to the FSF, .gif became completely patent free a month ago or so. Is there a reason to prefer .png over .gif besides ideology? |
| 00:04.25 | pickcoder | size |
| 00:04.26 | mirak | pickcoder: doesn't work. linux sucks |
| 00:04.30 | mirak | windows rules |
| 00:04.31 | esteel | pipeline: i just like to see people like the game i help with :P |
| 00:04.35 | mirak | :( |
| 00:04.40 | pickcoder | mirak: it's the program's fault, not Linux |
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| 00:04.55 | mirak | pickcoder: that's still lirc. |
| 00:04.56 | pickcoder | minicom will have no problem using ttyUSB0 |
| 00:05.04 | pickcoder | and it's a terminal application |
| 00:05.15 | mirak | pickcoder: so why it works on windows, lirc is the same |
| 00:05.19 | JordiGH | robin_sz: #openoffice.org |
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| 00:05.21 | mirak | winlirc and lirc are the same |
| 00:05.22 | pickcoder | mirak: it's not the same |
| 00:05.37 | robin_sz | JordiGH, why thank you. Most kind :) |
| 00:05.39 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Why? |
| 00:05.44 | JordiGH | I mean, why the hatred? |
| 00:06.31 | pickcoder | mirak: did you rmmod the module first? |
| 00:06.40 | mirak | yes with modprobe -r |
| 00:06.48 | pickcoder | and lsmod didn't show lirc_serial |
| 00:06.53 | mirak | nope |
| 00:06.56 | robin_sz | JordiGH, poxy not doing what I want .. if cell is supposed to be "general" formatted, i do NOT want it to attempt to translate 06/12/2006 into some random other presentation because it happens to thnk it looks like a date |
| 00:07.11 | robin_sz | id "date" format it if I wanted that |
| 00:07.51 | pickcoder | mirak: dmesg | grep serial |
| 00:08.43 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Oh. I don't use spreadsheets for anything, but I'm sure that behaviour you're seeing is customisable (without hacking the source, too!). Remember that OO.o tries to be as hand-holding and patronising as MS-Office. I guess that's the winning formula. :-/ |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | robin_sz: '06/12/2006 |
| 00:08.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: patents pending |
| 00:09.21 | pickcoder | robin_sz: that's the way Excel works so I guess some people are used to autoformatting |
| 00:09.26 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 00:09.29 | pickcoder | it annoys me, personally |
| 00:09.30 | wireddd | I was thinking of playing around with xgl and compiz and beryl on my etch laptop, but compiz seems to be the only one that is packaged, is there some other repository I need to add, or do I just need to build them from source? |
| 00:09.43 | mirak | pickcoder: nothing intersting there |
| 00:10.06 | pickcoder | mirak: do you have an external modem? |
| 00:10.11 | JordiGH | And we get the little lightbulb instead of Clippy. I guess people want the lightbulb too. |
| 00:10.21 | mirak | pickcoder: no, no rs232 device to test |
| 00:10.34 | abrotman | robin_sz: '06/12/2006 .. try putting a ' in there |
| 00:10.35 | Malagmyr | I'm running debian on a virtual machine and the system clock is not behaving correctly. When the clock is set to tsc, it's way too fast, gaining about 10 minutes an hour, while on clock=pit, which I'm using now, it's losing about 30 seconds an hour. While I don't really mind the clock being a few seconds off most of the time, I would like ntpd to correct it more often. How can I increase the aggressiveness of ntpd? |
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| 00:10.53 | pickcoder | mirak: the only way to be sure it's using 2e8 is to setup a modem and tell minicom to use /dev/ttyS2 |
| 00:11.02 | abrotman | Malagmyr: increase the frequency in the cron |
| 00:11.04 | pickcoder | setserial /dev/ttyS2 should work as well |
| 00:11.21 | mirak | pickcoder: mmm I have an adsl modem. I know there a ports inside, but well ... |
| 00:11.21 | enouf | !ntp |
| 00:11.22 | robin_sz | abrotman, sorry, not a solution, as it will stuff up my spreadhseet parser when I finally process the sheet as input into a program .. the value needs to be without the ' |
| 00:11.22 | dpkg | [ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 00:11.33 | Malagmyr | abrotman: it's running as a daemon |
| 00:11.37 | h3sp4wn | Malagmyr: Under xen ? |
| 00:11.48 | pickcoder | robin_sz: leading space |
| 00:11.51 | enouf | ntpd only runs once at bootup IIRC .. you need to use ntp to keep in sync |
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| 00:11.56 | Malagmyr | h3sp4wn: m$ virtual server, actually |
| 00:11.57 | pickcoder | robin_sz: trim fields when you parse |
| 00:12.02 | abrotman | robin_sz: ask #openoffice.org |
| 00:12.09 | Malagmyr | h3sp4wn: and the same happens in vmware |
| 00:12.09 | mirak | pickcoder: actually when I run vdr, softcam plugin try to open the smartcard reader using 2e8 protocol and it fails |
| 00:12.30 | pickcoder | mirak: then it must be another serial port like an internal modem |
| 00:12.51 | abrotman | Malagmyr: that's ntpd ... not ntpdate |
| 00:12.52 | mirak | pickcoder: what ? |
| 00:13.02 | pickcoder | mirak: do you have an internal modem? |
| 00:13.13 | Malagmyr | abrotman: that's what I said.. |
| 00:13.17 | mirak | I have a pci modem |
| 00:13.19 | h3sp4wn | Malagmyr: Under xen it is necessary for the hardware clock to be disabled by chmod -x /etc/init.d/hwclock*.sh (dunno about others) |
| 00:13.25 | pickcoder | that's 2e8 then |
| 00:13.48 | abrotman | Malagmyr: no .. i mean .. ntpd listens .. ntpdate can change clock time |
| 00:13.54 | pickcoder | get an irman if you want to use the usb dongle |
| 00:14.13 | abrotman | Malagmyr: you can put ntpdate in a crontask (shutdown ntpd.. run ntpdate pool.ntp.org restart ntpd) every hour or so |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | an hour is excessive .. maybe every six hours |
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| 00:14.56 | mirak | pickcoder: why linux can't do com ports like windows does ? |
| 00:14.59 | enouf | h3sp4wn: have ppl messed with the various hwclock --hwtosys, and --systohw options? .. or is it an unrelated issue? |
| 00:15.14 | pickcoder | mirak: it does, but the software is written differently for the serial commications |
| 00:15.26 | pickcoder | winsock != unix sockets as well |
| 00:15.30 | JordiGH | Wtf is a com port? |
| 00:15.39 | pickcoder | even though people exclaim that a socket is a socket |
| 00:15.40 | rumpl_away | communication? |
| 00:15.46 | enouf | h3sp4wn: speaking of which .. dies anyone have a hwclock.sh file inside their /home/username Dir? |
| 00:15.55 | enouf | s/dies/does |
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| 00:16.24 | pickcoder | JordiGH: com ports are device assignments to serial ports in windows |
| 00:16.27 | pickcoder | from the DOS days |
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| 00:16.29 | enouf | mirak: cat /proc/ioports |
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| 00:16.48 | peterS | JordiGH: that's the terminology used by an obsolete series of OSes, it means RS-232 PC serial port |
| 00:16.52 | hypetech | how do I add nameservers via the shell? |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:17.06 | JordiGH | peterS: Ah, thank you. /dev/modem and such? |
| 00:17.06 | hypetech | tyvm |
| 00:17.09 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 00:17.12 | vinay | i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.17 .. now everytime i reboot, i seem to have different ordering in my sound devices... which is making it a pain to setup a default alsa device.. thoughts? |
| 00:17.15 | pickcoder | rumpl_away: communications |
| 00:17.20 | peterS | JordiGH: /dev/ttyS0 ttyS1 etc., specifically |
| 00:17.25 | pickcoder | I'm about to fall asleep here |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | vinay: udev rules |
| 00:17.29 | pickcoder | gah |
| 00:17.31 | peterS | serial ports don't have to have modems on them |
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| 00:18.23 | JordiGH | Some of those DOS decisions are so annoying and still with us... CRLF, \ for path delimiters... |
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| 00:18.37 | mirak | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/267655 |
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| 00:18.51 | peterS | JordiGH: heh, speak for yourself, those annoying features aren't in _my_ life (: |
| 00:19.12 | h3sp4wn | enouf: No idea - But the domU uses the time from the dom0 (I think it is just simply having two processes managing the hardware clock is a bit useless) |
| 00:19.22 | JordiGH | peterS: You must not read much of the Debian documentation. There are files there that have CRLF. :-) |
| 00:19.23 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 00:20.24 | Azar | peterS you heard about debsecan? |
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| 00:20.47 | peterS | JordiGH: well, if I do read a file that has CRLF endings, I normally don't notice, because I read with 'less' which by default doesn't show any visual marker for CR |
| 00:21.01 | peterS | Azar: not really |
| 00:21.26 | enouf | mirak: lines 3 and 37 seem to correspond .. check your BIOS as well .. is rthat a winmodem perhaps? |
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| 00:21.51 | peterS | yeah, vim seems to notice as well |
| 00:22.03 | mirak | enouf: I don't want to use a modem |
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| 00:22.10 | Azar | peterS: I read about it on an article named housekeeping utilities for Debian, tried to get that package.. does not exist on my sarge repos |
| 00:22.26 | peterS | Azar: ask bruce byfield, then, I guess |
| 00:22.31 | Caitriona | I'm using an ATI All-In-Wonder 9200, and a Radeon 7200 to dualhead, is there a practical way to make this work without disabling DRI on both displays? |
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| 00:22.40 | Azar | :) you saw that one too, huh.. |
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| 00:22.48 | mirak | enouf: yes, that's the motherboard serial port. |
| 00:22.57 | peterS | Azar: I didn't read it but I have a feeling I know which article you refer to |
| 00:23.28 | mirak | pickcoder: I don't know what is ttyS3 but I am almost sure no hardware plug exists for it |
| 00:23.28 | peterS | so I guess I did remember correctly who'd written it |
| 00:23.38 | Azar | good memory |
| 00:23.47 | Azar | I got debfoster and I am thrilled |
| 00:24.00 | pickcoder | mirak: you should be able to use /dev/ttyS2 in minicom to get your PCI modem |
| 00:24.17 | enouf | h3sp4wn: thnaks for responding .. have to look into it further and also what role having UTC plays if any |
| 00:24.29 | vinay | abrotman: would you be able to provide an example of what i could use in a rule file to specify order? |
| 00:24.31 | pickcoder | hm |
| 00:24.34 | pickcoder | actually |
| 00:24.35 | pickcoder | no |
| 00:24.36 | mirak | pickcoder: for what purpose ? |
| 00:24.41 | pickcoder | 2 is your PCI card |
| 00:24.44 | abrotman | vinay: nerp .. my hardware behaves itself :) |
| 00:24.46 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 00:24.46 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 00:24.48 | pickcoder | 1 and 2 are 2 ports on your PCI card |
| 00:24.54 | enouf | mirak: I'm lost .. especially if you're trying some type of bnew fangled device and controller |
| 00:24.57 | pickcoder | ttyS3 should be your internal modem |
| 00:25.01 | pickcoder | lspci should verify that |
| 00:25.12 | pickcoder | by port address and IRQ |
| 00:25.22 | peterS | mirak: if you have a recent 2.6 kernel: ls -l /sys/class/tty/ttyS3/device |
| 00:25.31 | robin_sz | pickcoder, I find the way Windows allocates serial ports much more fun |
| 00:25.36 | peterS | mirak: it will tell you where the hardware's supposed to be connected |
| 00:25.41 | pickcoder | robin_sz: yes.. much more |
| 00:25.48 | pickcoder | robin_sz: yes.. especially when they move around |
| 00:25.53 | robin_sz | pickcoder, it just seems to randomly sprinkle them about, to make you r day interesting |
| 00:25.57 | robin_sz | pickcoder, exactly |
| 00:26.15 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:26.30 | JordiGH | aptitude bashing? To arms, gentlemen! To battle! |
| 00:27.01 | peterS | I see your alarum and raise to drums and colours |
| 00:27.21 | pickcoder | the road awaits |
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| 00:28.26 | enouf | recommends apt-get install aptitude-doc-en to JordiGH .. but has no need himself :-) |
| 00:28.36 | enouf | not yet anyway |
| 00:28.47 | robin_sz | apt-get .. the one true way |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | JordiGH: can you change the colors ? |
| 00:28.56 | JordiGH | enouf: indeed, I was perusing it yesterday, thinking that There Must be a Way. |
| 00:29.05 | JordiGH | abrotman: I think so, yes! Something about schemes. |
| 00:29.07 | JordiGH | Or themes. |
| 00:29.28 | enouf | JordiGH: the search via tag:: is nice .. someone once said :-P |
| 00:29.37 | JordiGH | robin_sz: apt-get is a subset of aptitude... but they say the same thing between C and C++. ;-) |
| 00:29.52 | Azar | lordy lordy |
| 00:30.05 | chjunior | pessoal, eu tentei acessar o cdrom pelo konquero, e recebi a mensagem de que isso só está disponível com HAL, pra ter o HAL eu tenho que recompilar o KDE? |
| 00:30.08 | chjunior | guys, I tryed to access the CDROM from konqueror, and I got the message that it is just avaliable with HAL... to get HAL do I need to recompile KDE? |
| 00:30.21 | JordiGH | Oh, portuguese. |
| 00:30.29 | JordiGH | I thought I recognised that Romance language. ;-) |
| 00:30.51 | mirak | pickcoder: sorry, my internal modem is not plugued, that would a pci device anyway. maybe I don't understand what you mean by internal modem? |
| 00:31.18 | enouf | chjunior: apt-get install hal |
| 00:31.22 | mirak | peterS: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2006-12-05 01:32 /sys/class/tty/ttyS3/device -> ../../../devices/platform/serial8250 |
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| 00:32.24 | robin_sz | JordiGH, in much the same way as Visual Basic is a more advanced scripting language than bash? |
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| 00:32.51 | JordiGH | robin_sz: The nicest thing about aptitude is that it employs a completely different conflict resolution algorithm. It tried to use apt-get's back in the day, couldn't use it or understand (and frankly, I don't know anyone who does, probably not even Jason), and wrote a new algorithm from scratch. |
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| 00:33.02 | enouf | chjunior: check like so--> dpkg -l hal udev hotplug dbus | tail -4 .. pastebin the output |
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| 00:33.16 | JordiGH | robin_sz: You are aware of command-line aptitude, right? If you modify it to not treat recommends as dependencies by default, it behaves almost exactly like apt-get. |
| 00:33.27 | Azar | bwahahahahahaha http://news.com.com/2010-7344_3-6140341.html |
| 00:33.36 | enouf | chjunior: may wanna 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' too |
| 00:33.49 | chjunior | good :D thanks :D |
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| 00:33.56 | Azar | news.com is the gayest news site I ever seen |
| 00:34.04 | JordiGH | !gay |
| 00:34.05 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 00:34.10 | robin_sz | JordiGH, I've never had any problem with apt-get, but there again I stick to debain-stable .. so Ive never needed anyting other than apt-get .. aptitiude seems to be over-guilding the lily to me |
| 00:34.18 | azeem | Azar: you're way off-topic |
| 00:34.20 | w0rd54 | lol Azar agreed |
| 00:34.30 | Azar | azeem sorry I got carried out |
| 00:34.31 | enouf | chjunior: did you really! compile KDE? .. was that to cut down on bloat? .. :-) |
| 00:34.31 | w0rd54 | it's okay to use gay as you want |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | !tell w0rd54 about gay |
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| 00:34.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 00:34.51 | azeem | w0rd54: well, not in here |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | yay .. repeat offender! |
| 00:35.05 | azeem | w0rd54: you've been quieted for 10 minutes |
| 00:35.07 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Ah, perhaps sticking to stable is enough. Although I do like the idea of recommends being dependencies by default. In testing/unstable where I live (mixed system, yes), packages move around quickly, and aptitude is good at catching them. |
| 00:35.26 | centrx | use dselect |
| 00:35.29 | robin_sz | fair enough |
| 00:35.39 | robin_sz | never use dselect |
| 00:35.42 | abrotman | centrx: hell no |
| 00:35.44 | centrx | why not |
| 00:35.54 | centrx | that's what I use |
| 00:35.56 | centrx | it works great |
| 00:35.58 | abrotman | dselect is just horrible |
| 00:36.02 | robin_sz | it is |
| 00:36.05 | centrx | seems to work fine |
| 00:36.12 | centrx | has a better layout than aptitude |
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| 00:36.17 | robin_sz | and it seems incompatible with any other package mangement |
| 00:36.28 | centrx | it is compatible with apt |
| 00:36.29 | abrotman | or peron :) |
| 00:36.32 | abrotman | person |
| 00:36.34 | yassine | abrotman, is dselect the origine/base tool for aptitude ? |
| 00:36.42 | chjunior | enouf.... well.... I don't know what is happening to my bitchx.... but, I was sending messages to #gentoo-br and #gentoo.... I don't know how these messages were sent to #debian too :D ad my home I use gentoo, at my work, debian.... :) |
| 00:36.47 | robin_sz | centrx, no, not exactly it isnt. |
| 00:36.54 | chjunior | enouf, the problem is at home, with gentoo :D |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | dselect/apt-get/aptitude/synaptic/gnome-apt are all different front-ends to dpkg |
| 00:37.20 | Hibchibbler | i am trying to replace a stripped libc.so on an embedded ARM target with a non-stripped version. i was going to replace it it by removing the symlink in my /lib directory, copying over the unstripped version and than pointing the symlink at the unstripped so. i found out quickly that was a bad idea. how do i correctly replace a glibc. it should be perfectly compatible, just not stripped. |
| 00:37.21 | abrotman | but they work differently |
| 00:37.26 | JordiGH | yassine: Yes, dselect used to be the default package manager. Ah, the good ol' days. Nowadays you kids have it easy, with y'all fancy schmancy newfangled graphical installers and whatnot. |
| 00:37.37 | enouf | chjunior: I guess that explains the portuguesian outburst? .. hehe :-) what about your kde compile though? |
| 00:37.41 | robin_sz | ive had several major packaging sanfus when mixing dselect and apt-get |
| 00:37.42 | JordiGH | abrotman: You forgot kpackage. |
| 00:37.58 | Hibchibbler | i am running debian |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | JordiGH: i don't use KDE .. didn't know they wrote their own .. but i'm not surprised |
| 00:38.00 | robin_sz | fsck me its windy here |
| 00:38.06 | abrotman | storm-pkg was the bestest! |
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| 00:38.18 | JordiGH | abrotman: kpackage is for rpms and slackware tarballs as well. |
| 00:38.19 | enouf | dpkg is my darling sweety :-) |
| 00:38.45 | abrotman | i think synaptic can work with RPMs too |
| 00:38.50 | JordiGH | as far as I'm concerned, dpkg works down in the bellows of the ship while I issue commands to First Mate aptitude. |
| 00:38.53 | enouf | just the kinda down hown kinda gal I need |
| 00:39.00 | enouf | home* even |
| 00:39.06 | eldowan | Will grub-install detect a newly installed HD with an OS installed? |
| 00:39.17 | abrotman | update-grub ? |
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| 00:39.25 | yassine | JordiGH, :) thanks for the information btw in less than 3 weeks i will have my own v1.0 kid so i think i will think the same as you about what he will be using in like 20 years later |
| 00:39.26 | eldowan | abrotman: Yes, that is what I meant |
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| 00:39.41 | enouf | eldowan: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 00:39.58 | eldowan | enouf: Will it make a difference if the current debian load is etch? |
| 00:40.02 | JordiGH | eldowan: It should.... but the Debian maintainers need help with grub. You may run into problems. If grub says it can't find your other OS, tread carefully. |
| 00:40.23 | enouf | eldowan: it'll tell you the settings to look for .. in /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 00:40.26 | JordiGH | yassine: Congrats! |
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| 00:40.33 | hypetech | err....is PHP in dpkg? |
| 00:40.43 | abrotman | in apt .. yes |
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| 00:40.46 | yassine | thanks JordiGH im more than exited :) |
| 00:40.47 | abrotman | apt-cache search php |
| 00:40.51 | JordiGH | yassine: Teach your kid to use Debian from the start. Make his classmates laugh at him when he doesn't know what Windows is. Brave new world! |
| 00:40.53 | hypetech | I did that... |
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| 00:41.17 | JordiGH | hypetech: php5 or somesuch.. |
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| 00:41.23 | enouf | eldowan: no .. but maybe 'update grub' is all you need , as abrotman stated .. but should not need a grub-install... |
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| 00:41.42 | hypetech | JordiGH: I see php3 and php4, but no php5 |
| 00:41.43 | peterS | mirak: serial8250 tells us that it's provided by an 8250-series UART, or emulator. which doesn't narrow things down all that much, those things are everywhere (particularly the 16550A, 16650, 16760) |
| 00:41.45 | abrotman | i don't know if update-grub scans other HDDs |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | hypetech: which version of debian ? |
| 00:41.54 | peterS | errr, 16750 |
| 00:42.00 | hypetech | abrotman: etch |
| 00:42.02 | JordiGH | yassine: I think unqualified php is php5. |
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| 00:42.06 | abrotman | hypetech: paste your sources |
| 00:42.07 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:42.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:42.21 | JordiGH | Oh, is php5 only in testing? |
| 00:42.28 | yassine | JordiGH, well when its about OOP so id rather use java |
| 00:42.32 | JordiGH | I have php5. Maybe it's not in sarge. |
| 00:42.37 | hypetech | abrotman: using stable, extras, and non-free |
| 00:42.44 | JordiGH | yassine: Sorry, that was for hypertech. |
| 00:42.44 | eldowan | enouf: I'm hopping 'update grub' is all I need. I was actually thinking of the script that the debian installer runs to detect the currently installed OS's. The setup is Debian etch on a Mirrored SW RAID, and a newly installed HD with XP on it. |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | hypetech: that's sarge .. not etch |
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| 00:42.55 | hypetech | contrib sorry |
| 00:42.58 | abrotman | hypetech: if you want php5 in sarge .. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 00:43.14 | mirak | peterS: ok |
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| 00:43.20 | hypetech | abrotman: well I installed etch, but my DNS was bad on install, so I used dselect to set my sources and that's what it gave me |
| 00:43.22 | Squall` | How can I uninstall Debian's non-free nvidia drivers and use Nvidia's drivers. In the past, I've never been able to get Nvidia's first party drivers to work in Debian, and I also need to remove the debian nvidia driver I already have, I guess. |
| 00:43.31 | abrotman | hypetech: please paste them |
| 00:43.32 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:43.32 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:43.40 | peterS | mirak: running 'dmesg | less +/ttyS' is more likely to give you useful information, really |
| 00:43.51 | mirak | peterS: but my usb serial adapter doesn't have a port, unlike on windows, where it's kind of emulated |
| 00:43.54 | eldowan | Squall`: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 00:44.24 | peterS | mirak: it is probably /dev/ttyUSB0 or similar - depending on your udev configuration and whatnot. they may have moved those ports elsewhere |
| 00:44.29 | peterS | I mean those device files |
| 00:44.35 | hypetech | wait...is the latest stable etch? |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | no |
| 00:44.43 | hypetech | oooh |
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| 00:44.45 | hypetech | that's my problem |
| 00:44.49 | hypetech | so it is sarge |
| 00:44.49 | fsancho | hi all |
| 00:44.50 | JordiGH | ... yet! |
| 00:44.53 | JordiGH | not yet! |
| 00:44.54 | sanmarcos | how can I specifiy the port when sshing to another macine? |
| 00:44.55 | abrotman | hypetech: if you want php5 in sarge .. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 00:45.01 | hypetech | sorry...moving from gentoo to debian, didn't know |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | sanmarcos: man ssh |
| 00:45.06 | enouf | eldowan: do yourself a favor and make a backup of /boot/grub/menu.lst and also device.map .. see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm .. please read thouroughly .. and the links provided to Offficial docs too |
| 00:45.07 | catlee | Good evening |
| 00:45.07 | JordiGH | But the DDs are hard at work trying to get etch released RSN. |
| 00:45.10 | eldowan | Squall`: It should have the information in it to get the newest debian packaged nvidia installer. the binaries provided by NVidia are suggested not to be installed. However, if you are *sure* you want the binaries, use apt-get/aptitude to uninstall the nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel nvidia-common and other's |
| 00:45.13 | peterS | etch is not the latest stable but the late stable. insofar as it was supposed to have been released by now but hasn't been. |
| 00:45.14 | fsancho | i'm using debian sid with latest kernel (2.6.18-3-k7) |
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| 00:45.19 | Squall` | eldowan, That's not what I want. I want to use the actual drivers on NVidia's website. They are more up to date and I need them for a specific program. |
| 00:45.25 | fsancho | i have an usb-wifi: 0ace:1211 ZyDAS 802.11b/g USB2 WiFi |
| 00:45.32 | hypetech | are there any major hangups with etch that would give me a reason why I shouldn't use it? |
| 00:45.35 | Squall` | eldowan, Yeah, I'm sure. |
| 00:45.42 | abrotman | hypetech: external server? |
| 00:45.51 | fsancho | i have downloaded the correct firmware and placed it into /lib/firmware/zd1211 |
| 00:45.53 | hypetech | snort IDS. runlevel 3 only |
| 00:45.55 | eldowan | Squall`: then aptpget/aptitude search for nvidia, and remove the ones installed that relate to your graphics subsystem. |
| 00:45.57 | catlee | Is there a way I can kill processes that are stuck on NFS operations? My NFS server is not doing well, and another server's processes are locking up because they use files exported over NFS. |
| 00:45.58 | hypetech | no GUIs |
| 00:46.06 | abrotman | hypetech: no .. i mean . internal LAN box or internet facing ? |
| 00:46.06 | Squall` | I'lll do that first, and then I'll try to install NVidia's binaries, which I've never done successfully. |
| 00:46.13 | hypetech | abrotman: internet facing |
| 00:46.14 | fsancho | but the driver zd1211rw only load one of many attemps |
| 00:46.16 | hypetech | abrotman: sorry |
| 00:46.24 | peterS | catlee: if you mounted your nfs filesystem with the 'intr' mount option, then just hit ctrl-c. if not, then ...not. |
| 00:46.24 | abrotman | hypetech: yes .. problem is no security updates for etch yet |
| 00:46.33 | eldowan | Squall`: Are you using a custom kernel? |
| 00:46.34 | hypetech | abrotman: oh damn...sarge sounds good :) |
| 00:46.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:46.38 | Squall` | eldowan, Yes |
| 00:46.40 | fsancho | i get this error: usb 1-6: USB control request for firmware upload failed. Error number -32 |
| 00:46.46 | catlee | peterS: Nope, I didn't...It's in the fstab now though :) |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | hypetech: you could always just risk it |
| 00:47.22 | catlee | peterS: Is my only option to reboot? |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 00:47.22 | dpkg | hmm... tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 00:47.22 | eldowan | Squall`: You need the headers and possibly the source for the kernel to build the binary drivers from nvidia |
| 00:47.22 | fsancho | only a few times the driver loads ok and the device works succesfully |
| 00:47.22 | hypetech | abrotman: there is a hardened version of gentoo, is there any such flavor for sarge? |
| 00:47.23 | cyberfra | there is an italian debian channel? |
| 00:47.23 | Squall` | eldowan, I have no trouble building NVidia's binaries, but I can't actually get them to work |
| 00:47.23 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:47.23 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 00:47.36 | abrotman | hypetech: there is .. there's also a manual for securing a debian box |
| 00:47.38 | abrotman | !securing debian |
| 00:47.39 | dpkg | it has been said that securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 00:47.43 | eldowan | Squall`: Ahhh. Is there a specific setup you are using? dual-head, etc...? |
| 00:47.44 | abrotman | and let me find the other |
| 00:47.46 | enouf | Squall`: use a Debian kernel and then /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 00:48.00 | eldowan | enouf: Thanks for the link, I'll definately check it out. |
| 00:48.10 | itchi | cyberfra: Tryout /msg chanserv list *debian* |
| 00:48.14 | mirak | peterS: it's /dev/ttyUSB0 yes, but I can't find irq and port for it. I think a guy said there wasn't. But then I can't use lirc. I mean windows seems to have com port emulation and no problems with this |
| 00:48.15 | abrotman | http://sourceforge.net/projects/debianhardened |
| 00:48.16 | Squall` | enouf, I'd really prefer not to use another kernel when I can already build the kernel modules for my current one. It isn't a building problem. |
| 00:48.31 | abrotman | hypetech: i don't know much about the second .. how active/good it is, etc |
| 00:48.32 | peterS | mirak: who cares about IRQ and port? USB devices don't have those things, not in the way you are thinking |
| 00:48.34 | Squall` | eldowan, Not really, I'll rebuild it and show you an error message |
| 00:48.38 | enouf | eldowan: no prob .. just be careful which disks are which .. especially with a softRAID setup |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | hypetech: i'd go with the first link |
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| 00:49.08 | peterS | mirak: if lirc wants to bit-bang on the raw ISA ports, it just won't be able to use interfaces that aren't directly on the ISA or PCI bus |
| 00:49.25 | hypetech | abrotman: thank you |
| 00:49.38 | enouf | Squall`: well .. I see.. but the nvidia binaries are somewhat screwed .. and so a workaround (woking version) has been created .. but naturally using a Deb kernel |
| 00:50.00 | enouf | !customer |
| 00:50.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 00:50.27 | robin_sz | woking version? from surrey? |
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| 00:50.45 | Serajewe1KS | is there some iptables rule i can use to rate-limit all traffic that matches the rule? |
| 00:50.51 | Serajewe1KS | target rather |
| 00:50.51 | enouf | robin_sz: no idea :-) |
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| 00:51.27 | Squall` | Sorry, I was running X-term. I'm gonna run IRC in my tty so I don't have to quit everytime I need to restart X. |
| 00:51.33 | mirak | peterS: ok. so there is no way to adapt what winlirc is doing to linux model ? |
| 00:51.40 | Squall` | err running X-chat |
| 00:51.54 | enouf | robin_sz: I just go where everyone else points me .. concerning newer hardware .. I try to investigate a bit .. but it's tough wothout having the hardware itself in hand :-) |
| 00:51.56 | itchi | Squall`: use 'screen' ;-) |
| 00:51.58 | mirak | Squall`: they will need to invent one day X detaching |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | hypetech: you're welcome |
| 00:52.11 | peterS | mirak: not directly, AFAIK. you have to talk to /dev/whatever and use ioctl() calls to control the physical control lines as needed |
| 00:52.20 | abrotman | eegads .. it's late! |
| 00:52.23 | mirak | I don't understand why a X application can't survive without X |
| 00:52.37 | Squall` | itchi: Screen wouldn't have helped me unless I was in a tty in the first place |
| 00:52.39 | robin_sz | enouf, maybe someone could just scp the hardware to you? |
| 00:52.46 | enouf | mirak: Xserver and Xclient |
| 00:52.52 | mirak | peterS: I don't understand |
| 00:52.54 | itchi | Squall`: Not true |
| 00:53.00 | mirak | enouf: what is it ? |
| 00:53.15 | peterS | mirak: because Xlib is badly designed in that way. as apps migrate to use libxcb instead, it will be a lot easier to add a feature of the app surviving a disconnect, and reconnecting or connecting somewhere else |
| 00:53.16 | enouf | robin_sz: sure .. they actually have "3D printers" thatll do that nowadays :-) |
| 00:53.29 | mirak | Squall`: screen would fit what you need |
| 00:53.43 | peterS | mirak: Xlib doesn't make it quite impossible to get disconnected and survive it, but it throws roadblocks in your way if you try to implement that |
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| 00:53.53 | Squall` | Uh, if I started screen in an X-term, and X quit, how would that help me? |
| 00:54.01 | stew | Squall`: screen -r |
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| 00:54.03 | enouf | mirak: man X .. Xserver supports the hardware .. Xclient are the apps that depned upon the settings/support ()in a nutshell |
| 00:54.08 | peterS | Squall`: then you do 'screen -x' from some other terminal |
| 00:54.14 | robin_sz | enouf, weirdly, I was looking at a 3d printed toothbrush just today |
| 00:54.18 | mirak | peterS: someting also I don't understand why a X crash lockups all your keyboad |
| 00:54.31 | stew | i wonder what percentage of screen users first started using screen just to keep them connected to irc |
| 00:54.50 | vulture | stew: IRC & Messengers (CenterICQ) here :) |
| 00:54.51 | peterS | mirak: that's an artifact of the bad old days when the kernel didn't provide proper control of the keyboard so X had to bit-bang on the ISA ports directly, in order to control it |
| 00:54.54 | enouf | robin_sz: got something a bit more substantial ? |
| 00:55.03 | hypetech | abrotman: why is php5 considered a backport? 0_o |
| 00:55.13 | peterS | mirak: these days this is optional, X can be polite and use kernel facilities to control the keyboard, but if you don't set it up that way it probably won't do it |
| 00:55.15 | mirak | enouf: we could imagine an application surviving with it's own virtual X context and not just dies |
| 00:55.38 | robin_sz | enouf, we use 3d printing in conjunction with lost wax casting to produce real parts from SolidWorks models without going through any milling and/or wooden patterns |
| 00:55.45 | itchi | Squall`: You can give names to, take 'screen -S updating aptitude upgrade' detach it with ctrl+a+d and reatach it, say, on another computer with screen -r updating |
| 00:55.54 | mirak | peterS: I am interested, but don't know the parameters |
| 00:55.59 | peterS | mirak: try installing 'xserver-xorg-input-evdev' on etch and reading 'man 4 evdev' to see how to set this up |
| 00:56.06 | enouf | mirak: I run VTs all the time .. however thereare 2 processes needed to maintain that ... don't ask :-P .. justy know thwre are 2 |
| 00:56.07 | mirak | ok |
| 00:56.12 | Squall` | anyway, I just rebuilt the kernel modules from the NVidia binary, and I'm getting the same error I usually get when I use the binaries: module "nvidia" not found. |
| 00:56.13 | peterS | mirak: (requires the kernel 'evdev' module to be loaded, too) |
| 00:56.21 | enouf | robin_sz: way cool :-) |
| 00:56.35 | peterS | evdev is 'generic event-based input devices' |
| 00:56.54 | enouf | robin_sz: though I am a woodworker .. wouldn't want to tery and make you a working toothbrush :-) |
| 00:56.56 | Squall` | oh oops, I think I forgot to modprobe it |
| 00:57.08 | Squall` | Oh man, I wonder if I've forgotten that every single time. |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | hypetech: sarge was released before php5 was considered stable(by the PHP people also) |
| 00:57.15 | Squall` | :X |
| 00:57.38 | mirak | peterS: so let's admit I want to programm lirc like winlirc for it to use the usb serial adapter, would it be possible or not ? |
| 00:57.41 | itchi | Squall`: If your interesting about screen http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=105 |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | hypetech: new packages only get into debian/stable(after it's been released) if they are security or RC fixes |
| 00:57.57 | Squall` | Well, I modprobed it, and it's still failing to find the "nvidia" module |
| 00:58.03 | Squall` | Any ideas? |
| 00:58.06 | peterS | mirak: I have no idea how serial-port-based IR controllers actually work. so who knows. it may require a helper kernel module, but probably not. |
| 00:58.19 | robin_sz | enouf, technolgy marches on ... keeping up with it is the trick |
| 00:58.24 | peterS | abrotman: also, the machine should make sure it is always Provolone |
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| 00:58.28 | itchi | !beer abrotman |
| 00:58.29 | abrotman | for lirc? |
| 00:58.38 | abrotman | peterS: or swiss! |
| 00:58.45 | peterS | yeah, swiss is ok.. |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:59.00 | peterS | I know which I prefer but I'll eat either one on a sandwich |
| 00:59.06 | Squall` | Basically, I'm trying to install the Nvidia drivers the "non-debian" way and failing. |
| 00:59.06 | mirak | peterS: but would there be a way to have something like windows com ports model in linux ? |
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| 00:59.18 | enouf | robin_sz: indeed .. however .. some things that are natural .. will never lose their "beauty" appeal |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | peterS: i prefer each with certain meats |
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| 00:59.29 | peterS | mirak: I don't really see the point. you could perhaps write an emulation library that your app would use, but that seems kind of silly |
| 00:59.38 | enouf | robin_sz: just they are not always the right tool for the right job |
| 01:00.21 | robin_sz | indeed |
| 01:00.21 | itchi | Squall`: Install it the debian way! |
| 01:00.30 | enouf | heh |
| 01:00.44 | enouf | not you robin_sz |
| 01:00.48 | Squall` | itchi: I can't. I need the latest version in order to run a certain program. |
| 01:00.56 | robin_sz | enouf, I have a inablity to go past a turned wooden bowl without buying it |
| 01:01.08 | itchi | Squall`: That's sad news for you |
| 01:01.08 | peterS | mirak: run 'man termios' to see how to control serial ports programmatically. if that is not enough, you can download the source to the debian 'setserial' package and see how it does what it does |
| 01:01.20 | enouf | robin_sz: ahh .. a lathe worker .. you hired ! |
| 01:01.33 | enouf | +r |
| 01:01.35 | Squall` | itchi: I never had any problems using the NVidia binaries in other distros, why is debian so different? |
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| 01:01.41 | enouf | er you're |
| 01:01.44 | robin_sz | I wish I was ... |
| 01:02.03 | peterS | mirak: emulating an ISA port interface would be considered pointless in Linux, it just isn't the Unix way, ioctl() kernel calls to set and query attributes are much more used |
| 01:02.06 | cyberfra | i would like to install debian testing by net, using install cd, but i have wireless working with ndiswrapper, the installcd doensat use ndiswrapper..what can i do |
| 01:02.19 | mirak | peterS: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~mozgic/UIR/ look version II it's that I have this device, but it won't work over usb to serial adapter on linux. but on windows it works. That's why I was wondering why. |
| 01:02.19 | itchi | Squall`: Because debian have not an stupid package management?? |
| 01:02.39 | robin_sz | enouf, I particulalry like ones turned from fruit woods, and ones turned from the side of the log. they are turned, they ARE round, but they LOOk oval |
| 01:02.43 | Squall` | Anyway, this is besides the point. As unholy as it may be, I need to do this the non-debian way. |
| 01:02.53 | enouf | robin_sz: I actually install more than I fabricate .. but installing the correct way using the appropriate materials and making a finished beautiful enduring product is a lot of effort and rewarding |
| 01:03.00 | mirak | itchi: like you never gone through apt hell |
| 01:03.02 | hypetech|work | man, what is it with apt and outdated packages on sarge? php4...mysql4... |
| 01:03.03 | peterS | mirak: Windows has this tradition where you can't trust that any of the users' applications are open source, so they provide a lot of compatibility interfaces to keep old apps working with new facilities. Linux has a culture where you just fix the software instead |
| 01:03.07 | itchi | Squall`: If it fail, there are some reasons |
| 01:03.19 | Squall` | itchi: Well, I'm trying to figure out what those reasons are. |
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| 01:03.37 | robin_sz | enouf, yeah ... pride in your work. we make stuff out of metal, not as pretty, its all industrial, but still, we take pride in our work |
| 01:03.42 | itchi | mirak: Maybe i mess it never up?? |
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| 01:03.46 | enouf | robin_sz: indeed quasrter-sawn, rift-sawn .. like tiger maple :-) |
| 01:03.47 | robin_sz | enouf, or rather my welders do :) |
| 01:03.49 | mirak | peterS: ok. so if I want to be able to use lirc_serial over a usb to serial adapter I need to fix lirc_serial module or create another one ? |
| 01:04.02 | abrotman | hypetech: new packages only get into debian/stable(after it's been released) if they are security or RC fixes |
| 01:04.03 | enouf | robin_sz: and that's all that matters .. |
| 01:04.10 | abrotman | hypetech|work: new packages only get into debian/stable(after it's been released) if they are security or RC fixes |
| 01:04.11 | mirak | itchi: just install a few -dev packages and you will join the fiesta |
| 01:04.32 | mirak | itchi: pbuilder "diverts" that problem |
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| 01:04.41 | hypetech|work | abrotman: they don't consider php5 or mysql5 to be big enough upgrades to list them in stable? |
| 01:04.47 | peterS | mirak: yeah, if you can write a module that uses ioctl() calls rather than hoping to talk directly to the hardware, that'd be nice. you remember your question about the X server taking the keyboard down with it when it crashes? this is the same issue, we hate apps that try to mess with the hardware directly, and that's why |
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| 01:05.17 | abrotman | hypetech|work: they weren't stable when sarge was released ... those would be new packages .. not security/RC fixes |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | !releases |
| 01:05.20 | dpkg | it has been said that releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 01:05.24 | abrotman | !meaningofstable |
| 01:05.27 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 01:05.28 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. |
| 01:05.37 | mirak | itchi: have you heard about conary ? |
| 01:05.48 | itchi | mirak: nope |
| 01:06.06 | peterS | anyway, I'm off for a few hours |
| 01:06.18 | enouf | robin_sz: even something like "timber-framing" is an art .. and I've always been fascinated by huge structures .. their support, etc .. after seeing the verrezzano-narrows under construction as a child .. extending from each tower .. yet very much not connected :-0 |
| 01:06.51 | hypetech|work | abrotman: oh....so they never list upgrades in stable for the distro release, just bug fixes and what not...that's...different 0_o |
| 01:06.57 | enouf | robin_sz: .. ina a word == cantilevering |
| 01:06.58 | mirak | itchi: it's used by rpath and foresight linux. It's a package management system that is kind of based on cvs version system. (from what i understood) when you update a package it just update differences for exemple. |
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| 01:07.22 | Guerin | enouf: tough work, too |
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| 01:07.33 | enouf | needs to eat ... will be back perhaps a bit later .. 'night robin_sz et al |
| 01:07.36 | Guerin | enouf: wood is a living thing, makes the best-laid plans go awry |
| 01:07.38 | mirak | itchi: it's based on the principle only, not cvs itself of course |
| 01:07.39 | itchi | mirak: So to heard, looks useful |
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| 01:07.49 | enouf | Guerin: indeed :-) .. ok off now |
| 01:08.03 | abrotman | hypetech|work: once there is a release of debian(sarge was released in 6/2005) .. it will only get security/RC fixes. Currently we're patiently awaiting the next version of stable(nicknamed etch) |
| 01:08.18 | Squall` | Does anyone here use NVidia's binaries? |
| 01:08.28 | robin_sz | enouf, I knew nothing about working in wood, then I built our house. You get to learn real fast that way. At first it seems very imprecise and random .. then you get to make it work with you, not agaisnt you ... its the same as workign metal, or code ... when you master it, it becomes a pleasure .. but its the learning thats the most fun. |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | hypetech|work: it presents the admin with a known set of bugs for the duration of the release |
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| 01:08.47 | mirak | itchi: seems easier to do package than debs or rpms. though well no major distro is going to change package system anytime soon |
| 01:09.02 | fax | does debian want my code? |
| 01:09.15 | robin_sz | we want your babies! |
| 01:09.18 | hypetech|work | abrotman: hmm...so if a huge security vuln comes out for mysql4 that mysql5 fixes, you're out of luck until etch? That doesn't seem logical |
| 01:09.22 | fax | I just added somthing to libmd3 |
| 01:09.23 | tonyb2006 | was etch supposed to be released today? |
| 01:09.30 | fax | robin_sz: I thought youd never ask! |
| 01:09.31 | wols | fax: if it's dfsg compatible: yes |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | hypetech|work: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 01:09.43 | fax | asdf compatable? |
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| 01:09.48 | abrotman | hypetech|work: no .. they will backport the fix |
| 01:09.49 | fax | what is that |
| 01:09.49 | wols | tonyb2006: "was" is the keywoard |
| 01:09.55 | wols | !DFSG |
| 01:09.55 | itchi | mirak: Sure, like the tools we have, works already good. And when there is need for an new app, it's added |
| 01:09.55 | robin_sz | hypetech|work, no, because the security team will patch 4 using the info from 5 |
| 01:09.56 | dpkg | well, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 01:10.01 | tonyb2006 | wols: so it wasn't? |
| 01:10.06 | fax | uhh |
| 01:10.10 | fax | do I have to read _all_ that |
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| 01:10.16 | hypetech|work | robin_sz: really?...I wasn't expecting that |
| 01:10.18 | abrotman | !meaning of stable is also http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 01:10.18 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
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| 01:10.32 | wols | fax: no. if it's GPL or other Free software, debian takes it |
| 01:10.36 | Squall` | Well, I guess I could try to see if the experimental nvidia-kernel crap is more recent? |
| 01:10.41 | mirak | itchi: I find creating a debian package to complex. |
| 01:10.51 | mirak | itchi: for me at least |
| 01:10.52 | itchi | mirak: Kinda peace of cake |
| 01:10.53 | fax | wols: oh ok |
| 01:10.56 | robin_sz | hypetech|work, that waht the security team do .. keep stable secure. |
| 01:10.59 | hypetech|work | robin_sz: so even using sarge, and the older versions of php and mysql, it's still just as secure as the new versions? |
| 01:11.00 | abrotman | hypetech|work: it's nice in that you know what you're dealing with for the duration of the release ... |
| 01:11.01 | fax | wols: does it matter if its crap code but it works? |
| 01:11.07 | robin_sz | hypetech|work, yep |
| 01:11.08 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 01:11.09 | dpkg | well, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | hypetech|work: ^^ |
| 01:11.20 | hypetech|work | abrotman: hmm |
| 01:11.22 | itchi | mirak: You just need to learn how it works, that's all |
| 01:11.30 | robin_sz | hypetech, infact, moreso ... because unstable doesnt have securty support |
| 01:11.40 | wols | fax: usually stuff is first put into upstream code. the project puts it in their next release and then debian takes it from there |
| 01:11.44 | hypetech|work | abrotman: well just knowing that you have a 'bug' isn't a reason not to fix it... |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | hypetech|work: sadly .. php is a wreck :) |
| 01:11.54 | robin_sz | true |
| 01:11.56 | wols | and if it's crap code: why can't you clean it up? |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | hypetech|work: it is .. and it isn't |
| 01:12.01 | hypetech|work | abrotman: but I didn't realize that debian had a security team |
| 01:12.04 | fax | wols: ok ill make an effort to clean it up a bit and email them or somthing |
| 01:12.08 | fax | oh wait |
| 01:12.13 | fax | how do I submit? |
| 01:12.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: php apps are more of a wreck! |
| 01:12.15 | wols | Free software projects are quite picky about code quality. unlike closed source |
| 01:12.16 | hypetech|work | abrotman: well, a proactive security team |
| 01:12.20 | fax | via sourceforge project page? |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | hypetech|work: if i know that using ssh in sarge will never allow me to use keys(this isn't true) .. i will always know what to do and how to work with it |
| 01:12.28 | itchi | mirak: The best way to learn about it is to look to the existing stuff, look to other debs, how these are made, and use that as 'template' |
| 01:12.33 | wols | fax: best mail it to the libmd3 folks |
| 01:12.39 | fax | ok thanks guys |
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| 01:12.53 | robin_sz | jelly-home, thats the real problem ... Ive yet to see anyting decent in php, except Joomla perhaps .. the rest is badly coded shite afaict |
| 01:12.57 | hypetech|work | abrotman: so you are confident in the security of sarge stable? |
| 01:13.01 | abrotman | hypetech|work: or say perhaps that i know that mysql4 in sarge can't use foreign keys, etc .. i'll program accordingly |
| 01:13.01 | sint | hey, i wanna install dokuwiki on php5, but it wants to install php4. is there a way to get over this? |
| 01:13.03 | w0rd54 | abrotman and azeem: sincerely fuck you and your "high horse" bullshit....homos. |
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| 01:13.21 | wols | !customer |
| 01:13.22 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 01:13.23 | abrotman | azeem: FYI .. he'd been banned for a long time before |
| 01:13.29 | abrotman | and was a ban evader |
| 01:13.44 | abrotman | hypetech|work: just as much as any other vendor |
| 01:14.09 | hypetech|work | abrotman: and is it usually a pretty smooth transition between releases, like will sarge to etch be a comfortable upgrade since php5 and mysql5 will be stable? or will it break things? |
| 01:14.50 | wols | hypetech|work: debian software will upgrade. stuff you brought in from outside like php scripts you didn't get from debian: can't make any guarantees. ask php folks not us |
| 01:14.53 | robin_sz | hypetech|work, the security team will keep stable secure as it can be .. unstable (etch) relies on release as and when things get done by package maintainers ... soemtimes that will be timely, sometimes it wont ... if you want secure , use sarge, if you want latest greatest but randomly secure, use etch |
| 01:15.05 | abrotman | hypetech|work: i had a box go from potato to potato+ximian to woody to sarge .. without a reinstall |
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| 01:15.26 | abrotman | hypetech|work: and many boxes at my office were initially woody boxes |
| 01:15.58 | hypetech|work | abrotman: so php4 won't upgrade to php5 through stable? |
| 01:15.59 | abrotman | hypetech|work: many packages come wiht release notes that you can read if you want to knwo what has changed |
| 01:16.09 | wols | too bad hardware is not really reliable anymore or tons of people probably had upgraded all the way from slink or ham |
| 01:16.17 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.23 | itchi | sint: If that package depend on php4, then it's so, maybe is that stuff not yet php5 compatible. Look to the source to see?? Rebuild the deb and change the depend line in the debian/control to find out?? |
| 01:16.35 | wols | hypetech|work: it will whne etch becomes stable in the next few months |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | hypetech|work: if you have sarge and upgrade to etch ... if an app that gets upgraded requires php5 .. it will upgrade to php5 .. if not php4 still exists in etch |
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| 01:17.11 | jelly-home | wols: I've had this desktop/laptop installation since potato, it has seen 4 hardware upgrades. ;-) |
| 01:17.21 | hypetech|work | abrotman: alright, you've sold me on it....I'll stick with it and see how it goes :) |
| 01:17.21 | sint | itchi: thats strange, cause dokuwiki doesn't need php4 on other system |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | hypetech|work: is the box an immediate need ? |
| 01:17.56 | itchi | sint: Is that other system of the same release? |
| 01:17.56 | sint | itchi: how to rebuild the deb? |
| 01:17.57 | abrotman | hypetech|work: you could try a test upgrade .. then reinstall sarge for production use |
| 01:17.57 | wols | I usually install a new debian with new harddisks |
| 01:18.01 | wols | but that's the only thing which triggers a reinstall |
| 01:18.11 | hypetech|work | abrotman: well, yes and no...I'm testing distros right now to get away from gentoo, then the box will go into production when I feel comfortable |
| 01:18.16 | sint | itchi: not really. its on gentoo |
| 01:18.24 | Caelum | any way to turn on --force-overwrite for dpkg by default? |
| 01:18.39 | sint | itchi: but i need it on debian |
| 01:18.40 | itchi | sint: /rebuilding/ the deb, the easiest and laziest way, extract it with ar, and replace then the needed files |
| 01:18.46 | abrotman | hypetech|work: okay .. so install sarge .. get the packages you need .. ask us how to upgrade to etch when you're ready .. see how it goes .. the reinstall sarge .. and wait for etch's release |
| 01:19.02 | sint | itchi: i'll check it |
| 01:19.08 | itchi | sint: Wich release run you? |
| 01:19.19 | hypetech|work | abrotman: well I've got the packages running on sarge now...soooo...how do I upgrade to etch? :-D |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | !tell hypetech|work about sarge->etch |
| 01:19.35 | sint | itchi: stable with a backport |
| 01:19.59 | itchi | sint: You need to hack a bit that deb file, to find out. Like probably that package is not yet build for that php version you want to run with it |
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| 01:20.04 | abrotman | !tell hypetech|work about wwer |
| 01:20.26 | itchi | sint: Or is there not an backport of that app?? |
| 01:20.35 | hypetech|work | abrotman: what does it mean by "non-local mentions" |
| 01:20.43 | sint | itchi: don't know. let me search |
| 01:20.47 | jelly-home | Caelum: That might not be a smart idea. However, would DPkg::options in apt.conf be satisfactory? |
| 01:21.00 | itchi | sint: It will maybe interesting to share your work too |
| 01:21.06 | hypetech|work | abrotman: and should I take out this backports line now? |
| 01:21.07 | abrotman | hypetech|work: http/ftp sources |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | hypetech|work: probably :) |
| 01:21.17 | hypetech|work | abrotman: kk |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | hypetech|work: some people keep local filesystem repositories |
| 01:21.28 | jelly-home | Caelum: it would work only for dpkg invoked from eg. apt-get. |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | hypetech|work: or keep special repositories .. basically you want to change official mirror source lines |
| 01:22.17 | sint | itchi: what you mean? what should i share? |
| 01:22.42 | Caelum | jelly-home: was hoping for all calls to dpkg, but still very useful thank you :) |
| 01:22.50 | hypetech|work | abrotman: alright, it's changed...let's see how it goes |
| 01:22.53 | sint | itchi: i wanna install dokuwiki on a debian with working php5 and lighttpd without any install of php4 or apache |
| 01:23.01 | itchi | sint: That /deb/ file you have hacked. But normally it should be done of the source |
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| 01:23.07 | abrotman | hypetech|work: see what the bot told you about a dist-upgrade |
| 01:23.14 | hypetech|work | abrotman: ya |
| 01:23.22 | jelly-home | Caelum: rtfm apt.conf(8), also check the file mentioned in the EXAMPLES section: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | hypetech|work: hopefully you've got decent bandwidth :) |
| 01:23.34 | itchi | sint: On that gentoo box, runs dokuwiki with lighttpd? |
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| 01:23.49 | hypetech|work | abrotman: OC-3...should be sufficient ;) |
| 01:23.52 | sint | itchi: ya |
| 01:24.09 | abrotman | hypetech|work: i'd think so ... |
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| 01:24.46 | no0tic | problems with genisoimage package on i386, it blocks upgrades on my sid beacause it doesn't exist and mkisofs depends on it |
| 01:24.51 | no0tic | what can I do? |
| 01:24.54 | itchi | sint: hhhm, you should then have a bit more work. |
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| 01:25.20 | hypetech | abrotman: alright back over here so I can watch it update |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:25.36 | madman215 | ya |
| 01:26.54 | abrotman | banana!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:26.54 | Xorm | pineapple! |
| 01:26.56 | sint | itchi: the gentoo box is just my local notebook. debian is running on the server. where can i find the debfile? |
| 01:27.03 | abrotman | no0tic: remove it ? |
| 01:27.05 | itchi | sint: Google it, debian + foo as keyword and you get fish |
| 01:27.12 | no0tic | abrotman, mkisofs?? |
| 01:27.17 | abrotman | itchi: i have a job for you |
| 01:27.18 | sint | itchi: k |
| 01:27.25 | itchi | abrotman: kill fish? |
| 01:27.26 | no0tic | abrotman, many packages depend on it |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | no0tic: the other one |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | itchi: make more liquidwar maps please :) |
| 01:27.49 | itchi | abrotman: What's that? |
| 01:27.52 | no0tic | abrotman, genisoimage isn't installed simply because it doesn't exist |
| 01:27.53 | abrotman | no0tic: paste the whole error somewher |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | !paster |
| 01:27.55 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 01:28.04 | no0tic | abrotman, but new mkisofs package depends on it |
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| 01:28.25 | no0tic | abrotman, I think I've explained the problem |
| 01:28.33 | madman215 | how do i find out what version of glibc i have? |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | i want to see the output |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | madman215: run it |
| 01:28.56 | hypetech | abrotman: sigh...unable to fetch some archives |
| 01:29.09 | madman215 | how do i gun that? |
| 01:29.14 | madman215 | er... run |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | hypetech: did you run aptitude update first ? |
| 01:29.23 | abrotman | madclicker: /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 01:29.24 | no0tic | abrotman, of aptitude doesn't outputs on std err |
| 01:29.29 | hypetech | abrotman: it failed on a bunch of stuff from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ |
| 01:29.31 | no0tic | abrotman, uhm let me see |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | hypetech: have an example ? |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | hypetech: it's possible that mirror hasn't fully sync'ed yet |
| 01:30.30 | hypetech | hmm...looks like all stuff I did apt-get install on failed |
| 01:30.35 | no0tic | abrotman, I seguenti pacchetti hanno dipendenze non soddisfatte: mkisofs: Dipende: genisoimage che è un pacchetto virtuale. |
| 01:30.36 | hypetech | even before I was using backport |
| 01:30.46 | no0tic | abrotman, my output is in italian |
| 01:30.52 | hypetech | abrotman: links, lynx, openssl, gnupg |
| 01:30.58 | hypetech | abrotman: and some others |
| 01:30.58 | no0tic | abrotman, but it's exactly what I've told you |
| 01:30.58 | abrotman | no0tic: LANG=C <cmd> |
| 01:31.15 | madman215 | how do i run glibc? |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | !info genisoimage sid |
| 01:31.43 | abrotman | madman215: /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 01:32.03 | itchi | abrotman: He that's funny as game |
| 01:32.08 | no0tic | abrotman, The following packages have unmet dependencies: mkisofs: Depends: genisoimage which is a virtual package. |
| 01:32.10 | abrotman | no0tic: you're on x86 ? |
| 01:32.15 | no0tic | abrotman, yes |
| 01:32.15 | hypetech | lol |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | itchi: it's addictive |
| 01:32.42 | abrotman | no0tic: seems to be not be built |
| 01:32.57 | no0tic | abrotman, I know :) |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | no0tic: no .. i mean. . it's failing to build or soething |
| 01:33.12 | hypetech | lol |
| 01:33.35 | no0tic | abrotman, on my machine? |
| 01:33.55 | no0tic | abrotman, I'll paste you the whole output |
| 01:34.00 | abrotman | says it's been built and uploaded .. but hasn't hit the mirrors yet |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | http://buildd.debian.org/pkg.cgi?pkg=cdrkit |
| 01:34.21 | no0tic | abrotman, ok |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | or at least .. that's what i gather |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | hypetech: still no go ? |
| 01:35.26 | no0tic | abrotman, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/otherosfs/genisoimage here it says it doens't exist for x86 |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | no0tic: right .. but it seems to have been built |
| 01:35.47 | rfrank | when I try to mount my mp3 player which shows up on the desktop it says unable to determine the mount point.. why can't it mount it o_O |
| 01:35.59 | madman215 | anyone know where to get libc 2.4? |
| 01:36.15 | no0tic | abrotman, ok, but not already upped on repos |
| 01:36.16 | abrotman | hypetech: btw .. this is occuring because etch is still a moving target |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | no0tic: that's what it seems |
| 01:36.35 | abrotman | madman215: which do you have now ? |
| 01:36.40 | no0tic | abrotman, ok, thanks, so I only need to wait |
| 01:36.44 | rfrank | madman215, http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/glibc/ |
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| 01:36.49 | craigevil | genisoimage: Installed: 9:1.1.0-1 Candidate: 9:1.1.0-1 |
| 01:36.49 | craigevil | Version table: *** 9:1.1.0-1 0 500 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages |
| 01:36.52 | abrotman | no0tic: that's what i'd think |
| 01:36.57 | abrotman | rfrank: dont' tell hi mthat |
| 01:37.03 | craigevil | may not have hit etch yet, it just showed up in Sid today |
| 01:37.11 | abrotman | craigevil: which architecture ? |
| 01:37.17 | madman215 | abrotman, 2.3 |
| 01:37.18 | craigevil | 386 |
| 01:37.26 | abrotman | no0tic: apt-get update && apt-cache policy genisoimage |
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| 01:37.52 | no0tic | abrotman, another thing on aptitude, it tells me it wants to remove thousand of packages beacause they are unused (I use them actually) |
| 01:38.03 | rfrank | :P |
| 01:38.16 | rfrank | how od I mount a usb device that uses fat |
| 01:38.18 | craigevil | the servers just dont all seem to be in sync yet, gaim and samba were a little screwy earlier today as well |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | no0tic: they were probably installed as a dependency to something else .. you could explicitly install them which should stop that |
| 01:39.59 | no0tic | abrotman, ok, this is due to the original problem, they probably all depend mkisofs or it's a dependency chain... |
| 01:40.04 | abrotman | !tell rfrank about vfatrw |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | !tell rfrank about usb storage |
| 01:40.21 | abrotman | no0tic: basically .. sounds like your mirror is a bit out of sync ... |
| 01:40.24 | GoCooL | how do i get a listing of all the packages that have been installed on my debian system? |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | no0tic: try again in a bit |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | !tell GoCooL about installed |
| 01:40.51 | no0tic | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4710 |
| 01:41.50 | madman215 | is it a bad idea to install this new glibc? |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | just ask aptitude to install them ? |
| 01:41.55 | abrotman | madman215: yes |
| 01:42.04 | madman215 | why is that? |
| 01:42.26 | abrotman | just don't do it |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | unless you really know what you're doing |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | madman215: why woudl you want to ? |
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| 01:42.56 | madman215 | abrotman, i want to play this stupid game |
| 01:43.06 | rfrank | keep getting mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda, missing codepage or other error |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | what stupid game ? |
| 01:43.14 | madman215 | eternal lands |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | URL ? |
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| 01:44.18 | madman215 | www.eternal-lands.com |
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| 01:45.11 | abrotman | madman215: so what makes you think you need a newer glibc ? |
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| 01:45.51 | madman215 | laptop:/home/djones/Desktop/EL# ./el-132.x86.linux.bin |
| 01:45.51 | madman215 | ./el-132.x86.linux.bin: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libcal3d.so.11) |
| 01:46.17 | rfrank | FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found |
| 01:46.24 | rfrank | noot werking |
| 01:46.30 | Guerin | madman215: make them give you a client which isn't shit |
| 01:46.34 | rfrank | please don't tell me I forgot a kernel module, I compiled the kernel about four times |
| 01:46.42 | rfrank | forgot my sound card drivers once |
| 01:46.44 | rfrank | pain in the ass |
| 01:46.48 | Guerin | madman215: i don't know anything that's using glibc2.4 yet |
| 01:47.06 | Guerin | rfrank: do it properly this time; that's the problem. |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | it's in experimental |
| 01:47.16 | rfrank | Wow Guerin, how helpful |
| 01:47.16 | abrotman | and probably gentoo :) |
| 01:47.31 | madman215 | it dosent say the game is, it sas libcal3d needs it |
| 01:47.40 | rfrank | mount -t vfat /dev/sda /media/usbdrive |
| 01:47.43 | rfrank | anything wrong with that |
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| 01:48.28 | abrotman | localegen ? |
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| 01:48.42 | rfrank | tried it in my fstab too /dev/sda/media/usbdrivevfatuser,noauto,noatime00 |
| 01:49.33 | aredhel | rfrank, check /proc/partitions and see if sda1 is there, if so try mounting that. |
| 01:49.51 | madman215 | so im screwed? |
| 01:49.55 | rfrank | nope.. |
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| 01:49.57 | rfrank | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.07 | rfrank | no sda1 |
| 01:50.42 | aredhel | rfrank, so ether there is no fs on there or you need a new kernel/module. |
| 01:50.46 | abrotman | cat /etc/locale.gen |
| 01:51.27 | rfrank | en_US ISO-8859-1 |
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| 01:52.01 | abrotman | well .. that was my idea :) |
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| 01:52.38 | dmarkey | this may sound like a stupid question but can i run an X11 xdmcp server without a gfx card installed on the server? |
| 01:53.10 | Guerin | !info linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 etch |
| 01:53.25 | Guerin | is .18 not in etch yet? |
| 01:54.19 | rfrank | what kernel module would I be missing |
| 01:54.20 | paddy | 2.6.18-3 is soon |
| 01:54.25 | Nighteye | investigating |
| 01:54.31 | Guerin | paddy: but it will be in etch? |
| 01:54.38 | paddy | in etch, yes |
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| 01:54.59 | rfrank | 2.6.18.3 |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | Guerin: no |
| 01:55.04 | rfrank | woot |
| 01:55.10 | Guerin | who to believe ...? |
| 01:55.17 | abrotman | Guerin: no .. not there yet .. will be there soon :) |
| 01:55.20 | Guerin | ok |
| 01:55.24 | rfrank | Linux version 2.6.18.3 (root@rfrank-linux) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 Sat Dec 2 20:03:51 EST 2006 |
| 01:55.25 | Guerin | concurrence |
| 01:55.29 | Guerin | that's what we like |
| 01:55.34 | aredhel | rfrank, the codepage ones would be my guess, from your error mesage. |
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| 01:57.52 | De_Mon | anyone using openser? Im trying to use the tm module but t_relay_to_tcp/udp dont seem to exist |
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| 01:59.43 | rfrank | aredhel, I can't find any modules in module-assistant referring to codepages or usb |
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| 02:03.52 | rfrank | how can I edit the programs menu in xfce |
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| 02:04.03 | rfrank | it just syas "include - system" where all my apps are |
| 02:04.16 | black_13 | is there an avi viewer for linux |
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| 02:04.42 | miha | black_13: mplayer, totem |
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| 02:04.48 | rfrank | blahh totem |
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| 02:04.51 | rfrank | vlc |
| 02:05.10 | rfrank | vlc > mplayer, totem, other xine based |
| 02:05.20 | black_13 | native? |
| 02:05.20 | Guerin | not > mplayer |
| 02:05.30 | rfrank | well maybe = mplayer |
| 02:05.35 | rfrank | because mplayer is pretty pwn |
| 02:05.46 | rfrank | but definitely > totem, xine |
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| 02:06.32 | Guerin | agreed |
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| 02:17.03 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:17.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:17.41 | abrotman | !shoot dvs |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | dvs: is it cold up there ? |
| 02:19.05 | dvs | abrotman: jeah! |
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| 02:19.18 | dvs | abrotman: 30 if we're lucky |
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| 02:20.04 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | odla: is it cold there? |
| 02:20.13 | magyar | is there such thing as "clear type" fonts for X? |
| 02:20.15 | hewhocutsdown | got pastebin of my menu.lst from grub; tried to install a new kernel package for 2.6.19, but it's freaking out when I attempt to boot |
| 02:20.28 | odla | abrotman, right now it's pretty warm...around 25 F |
| 02:20.33 | dvs | hewhocutsdown: paste the message |
| 02:20.39 | hewhocutsdown | it doesn't like the root=/dev/sda1 bit it seems, but it's fine with the rest of the entries; pastebin.ca/267739 |
| 02:20.42 | dvs | odla: heh |
| 02:21.08 | odla | dvs, we had a string of about 5 days were it was around -40C |
| 02:21.12 | hewhocutsdown | gives me a kernel panic when I try to boot; fortunately it's on a VM |
| 02:21.21 | dvs | odla: oh yeah, Alberta |
| 02:21.41 | hewhocutsdown | i'm using elive // left edmonton 21 years ago |
| 02:21.48 | abrotman | hewhocutsdown: ask #elive |
| 02:21.58 | dvs | odla: at least you don't live in Vancouver. |
| 02:22.04 | hewhocutsdown | which shouldn't be too much of a problem, as it's mostly debian at it's core, just with enlightenment |
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| 02:22.11 | hewhocutsdown | but nobody's really talking there |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | we can't help you .. |
| 02:22.35 | hewhocutsdown | is it that different? |
| 02:22.55 | odla | dvs, yeah Vancouver is a mess right now |
| 02:23.28 | odla | hewhocutsdown, yes elive is different then debian |
| 02:23.29 | sandman | Why is it that when I share a folder with GNOME, and a windows user on the network tries to access, |
| 02:23.32 | abrotman | hewhocutsdown: possibly .. we don't know anything about elive |
| 02:23.37 | sandman | it, it prompts for a password? |
| 02:23.44 | dvs | what the heck is elive? |
| 02:24.03 | odla | e17 + debian testing |
| 02:24.16 | odla | and more i guess |
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| 02:24.28 | dvs | sounds like an entertainment news show |
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| 02:24.42 | odla | he he |
| 02:24.46 | odla | it's pretty nice :) |
| 02:24.53 | odla | if you like enlightenment! |
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| 02:26.31 | hewhocutsdown | yeah, sorry if i offended, I was under the understanding that the guts were all debian, just with a default WM of enlightment |
| 02:26.34 | hewhocutsdown | *enlightenment |
| 02:27.29 | abrotman | and honestly .. you sohld use the kernel it came with |
| 02:27.30 | odla | it's a customized debian is what it is hewhocutsdown |
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| 02:28.00 | hewhocutsdown | need the low-latency patches that were merged in with 2.6.19 |
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| 02:28.08 | hewhocutsdown | i've taken it to #elive |
| 02:28.10 | hewhocutsdown | but thanks |
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| 02:28.41 | coywolf | what is the gnome rar, tar tool? |
| 02:28.52 | odla | coywolf, unrar-nonfree? |
| 02:29.01 | odla | but it's not gnome |
| 02:29.07 | coywolf | odla, i mean a GUI tool |
| 02:29.18 | odla | archiver? or is that crazy talk |
| 02:29.37 | abrotman | guitar |
| 02:29.46 | abrotman | i don't think it does rar though |
| 02:29.52 | odla | guitar? that's funny |
| 02:29.56 | hewhocutsdown | archiver works with rar if the rar/unrar packages are installed |
| 02:30.05 | hewhocutsdown | otherwise no it doesn't support rar |
| 02:30.16 | hewhocutsdown | at least in my experience it does |
| 02:30.34 | abrotman | oh wait .. it's called file-roller isn't it |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | !info file-roller etch |
| 02:30.45 | odla | yeah that's right |
| 02:30.46 | dpkg | file-roller: (an archive manager for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 981 kB, Installed size: 4656 kB |
| 02:30.49 | hewhocutsdown | *nods* whoops, yeah |
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| 02:35.49 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
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| 02:35.50 | dpkg | from memory, qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
| 02:36.03 | dvs | oops |
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| 02:39.51 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:39.51 | dpkg | well, qotd79 is <Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d |
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| 02:39.54 | odla | busy night |
| 02:40.06 | dvs | zzzzzzzzz |
| 02:41.03 | bucky | heroes always let me down |
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| 02:41.26 | abrotman | i saw the exploding man thing coming .. |
| 02:41.36 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:42.02 | madman215 | so if i update to etch the kernel will disagree with the acpi stuff on my computer right? |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | the kernel in etch has its own acpi modules |
| 02:42.28 | abrotman | acpid might not be happpy .. but acpi is in the kenrel |
| 02:42.55 | odla | so etch is released today right? cause it's the 4th... |
| 02:43.02 | dvs | yeah! |
| 02:43.05 | dvs | where is it? |
| 02:43.15 | odla | congrats everyone on a job well done! |
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| 02:43.28 | madman215 | ok when i tried to update the kernel for sarge, there seems to be an acpi issue, because i have to disable it in grub |
| 02:43.29 | dmarkey | is the debian community pissed off because its ripped off so much? |
| 02:43.41 | odla | ha ha |
| 02:43.57 | dvs | dmarkey: no. We're not bitter! Grrrrrrrr! |
| 02:44.15 | dmarkey | lol |
| 02:44.23 | ProwL | i think thats flattery |
| 02:44.25 | odla | what rips of debian? they crappy distro that no one uses by that company from S. Africa? |
| 02:44.28 | ProwL | no reason to get upset :P |
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| 02:44.56 | dmarkey | well, mepis and (k,x)ubuntu for a start |
| 02:45.05 | dvs | knoppix |
| 02:45.13 | odla | oh i hate knoppix!!! |
| 02:45.14 | abrotman | dmarkey: no .. it's just that they all come here for support |
| 02:45.19 | odla | with their beaty eyes! |
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| 02:45.31 | dvs | odla: and blurry pictures |
| 02:45.39 | dmarkey | ah ok |
| 02:45.40 | odla | dmarkey, we all know that debian is superior to it's daughters |
| 02:45.59 | odla | dvs, and slow boot time |
| 02:46.00 | dvs | odla: illegitimite offspring |
| 02:46.06 | dmarkey | theres a debian for sparc isnt there |
| 02:46.09 | odla | unwanted bastard children |
| 02:46.16 | pickcoder | heh... this drive has 3.0 on it |
| 02:46.28 | dvs | pickcoder: old |
| 02:46.39 | odla | why can't we all just use GNUstep? |
| 02:46.48 | odla | Allah_is_root, he he |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | pickcoder: yep .. all works fine today! |
| 02:49.33 | pickcoder | abrotman: epiphany? |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | yah |
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| 02:50.45 | pickcoder | you said it was dbus? |
| 02:51.03 | Striker | will debian stable gracefully switch from grub to lilo? I ask because I'm dealing with a server remotely... |
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| 02:51.24 | dvs | Striker: from grub to lilo? |
| 02:51.58 | Striker | yes, the server I have currently uses grub, I'd prefer lilo |
| 02:51.58 | Striker | if i apt-get install lilo, will that take care of it? |
| 02:51.58 | Striker | or is there anything else I should know? |
| 02:52.46 | pickcoder | Striker: grub has more boot-prompt features |
| 02:52.47 | pickcoder | I used to prefer lilo |
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| 02:52.56 | Striker | I understand other people have differen preferences |
| 02:53.16 | pickcoder | Striker: mapping boot devices, for example, is a cinch |
| 02:54.09 | Striker | pickcoder: I'm trying to be nice, really. I just need to know if debian will switch without killing my mbr |
| 02:55.05 | pickcoder | Striker: if you verify lilo is setup properly before you reboot, yes |
| 02:55.41 | geo-rge | maybe... howbout backing up your mbr and a few of the sectors following that |
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| 02:56.04 | Striker | geo-rge: because once it's gone, i cant access my server to fix that |
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| 02:56.13 | pickcoder | Striker: then don't muck with it |
| 02:56.24 | geo-rge | maybe that's a good idea |
| 02:56.25 | Striker | pickcoder: I don't really have a choice |
| 02:56.28 | geo-rge | why? |
| 02:56.32 | pickcoder | then why are you asking? |
| 02:56.33 | Striker | it's a long story |
| 02:56.36 | pickcoder | if you don't have a choice |
| 02:56.39 | pickcoder | just do it |
| 02:56.41 | geo-rge | ok, that's fair... |
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| 02:56.46 | Striker | pickcoder: I was curious if anyone else has tried |
| 02:56.49 | pickcoder | yes |
| 02:56.50 | pickcoder | I have |
| 02:56.52 | pickcoder | both ways |
| 02:57.05 | pickcoder | but you have to make sure the boot loader is configured properly before you have it write the MBR |
| 02:57.08 | Striker | will it generate a lilo.conf for the currently installed kernels? |
| 02:57.10 | pickcoder | or you'll be screwed |
| 02:57.15 | madman215 | do i need to redownload and re burn a new copy of the network install cd to install etch? |
| 02:57.18 | geo-rge | one thing you could do is build lilo yourself or unpack the .deb |
| 02:57.37 | pickcoder | madman215: that depends on the hardware you're installing on |
| 02:57.38 | geo-rge | madman215, depends on what os you have now |
| 02:57.45 | dvs | madman215: you need the etch netinstall if that's what you mean |
| 02:57.53 | Striker | pickcoder: that works for me, thanks. |
| 02:57.57 | geo-rge | so it pretty much depends on everything :) |
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| 02:58.06 | pickcoder | Striker: yes it will generate a lilo.conf |
| 02:58.10 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:58.20 | dvs | madman215: if you already have sarge then there's no need to download a new CD |
| 02:58.44 | madman215 | dvs awesome, thanks |
| 02:58.57 | geo-rge | to 3.1? :) |
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| 02:59.03 | pickcoder | yeah.. huge update |
| 02:59.11 | geo-rge | it probably is |
| 02:59.18 | pickcoder | wonder if Potato is on one of these drives |
| 02:59.21 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:00.11 | odla | debian potato? |
| 03:00.24 | geo-rge | 3.0 -> 3.1 is supposed to be smooth as silk |
| 03:00.56 | pickcoder | geo-rge: yeah I've done it on another machine here recently |
| 03:01.12 | pickcoder | actualyl.. it was Sarge testing |
| 03:01.16 | pickcoder | actually even |
| 03:01.19 | pickcoder | it upgraded to Etch |
| 03:01.35 | geo-rge | oic... so you had it on testing when sarge was that |
| 03:01.52 | pickcoder | yes |
| 03:02.01 | geo-rge | that's why I like to have the codename of the dist instead of stable/testing/unstable |
| 03:02.21 | geo-rge | once that changes... it's like a box of chocolates... |
| 03:02.21 | pickcoder | I do that for machines I care about |
| 03:02.23 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:02.52 | odla | you don't run sid on boxes you care about? |
| 03:03.06 | madman215 | so what do i use to burn data cds? haha sorry lame question |
| 03:03.13 | odla | wodim? |
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| 03:03.24 | geo-rge | you'd be caring for your sid more than for any application you're running it for4 |
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| 03:03.35 | dvs | madman215: cdrecord usually |
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| 03:04.34 | geo-rge | madman215, normally you'd create a file with a chunkastuff to write to the drive, then use cdrecord to write the chunkastuff file to the cd |
| 03:04.41 | pickcoder | odla: that too |
| 03:04.54 | grizzly | howto reconfigure X ? something like dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 03:05.10 | pickcoder | grizzly: exactly |
| 03:05.23 | grizzly | dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system doesn't seem to work |
| 03:05.29 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 03:05.30 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 03:05.46 | madman215 | theres nothing gui-ish |
| 03:05.49 | sint | itchi: i got it to work. i wasn't about the debfile, it was just a problem, that php5 was not installed correct. after i've fixed php5 and stuff, i can install any wiki on php5 without apache or php4 |
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| 03:06.25 | Skiver | !xmd5 |
| 03:06.25 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. See <Xorgmd5> if you are running <Xorg> |
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| 03:08.02 | grizzly | trying.. |
| 03:09.31 | pickcoder | brb..upgrading |
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| 03:17.19 | epsilon | does "*/50 * * * *" in crontab mean every 50 minutes or every 50th minutes in a hour (0:50, 1:50...)? |
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| 03:17.34 | newbcoder | I need gfortran; but g77 does not provide it |
| 03:17.37 | newbcoder | how can I get gfortran? |
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| 03:19.19 | Elive_user67 | ok have a silly question ,,, is this iso a 64 bit intel?: deban-testing-ia64-netinst.iso? |
| 03:19.25 | dvs | Elive_user67: no |
| 03:19.44 | dvs | Elive_user67: well, Itanium is 64-bit Intel, but not what you want |
| 03:20.17 | Elive_user67 | I jsut got a new dell server, and is 64 bit duel intel cpu |
| 03:20.37 | Elive_user67 | so which one do I sue? |
| 03:20.41 | Elive_user67 | use |
| 03:20.44 | CompWizrd | amd64 or ia32 |
| 03:20.46 | geo-rge | can you "dist-upgrade" to 64b arch? |
| 03:20.57 | Elive_user67 | is intel |
| 03:21.03 | odla | geo-rge, i don't belive so |
| 03:21.07 | CompWizrd | i386(ia32) |
| 03:21.16 | Elive_user67 | ok good |
| 03:21.57 | CompWizrd | if you want 64bit, then you use the amd64(which is for both amd AND intel 64 bit chips that aren't itanium).. if you want 32bit, you use the regular i386.. either will work |
| 03:21.58 | Elive_user67 | netinst CD image (100-150 MB) |
| 03:21.58 | Elive_user67 | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc |
| 03:22.13 | Elive_user67 | these are the choices |
| 03:22.16 | abrotman | amd64 |
| 03:22.19 | abrotman | or i386 |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 03:22.26 | dpkg | from memory, ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon/em64t/pentium, it is NOT ia64 |
| 03:22.30 | Elive_user67 | even tho it is intell cpu? |
| 03:22.40 | abrotman | yes .. intel copied AMD .. get over it |
| 03:22.47 | abrotman | it is NOT ia64 |
| 03:22.57 | Elive_user67 | ok be nice |
| 03:23.04 | abrotman | that is being nice |
| 03:23.14 | CompWizrd | sometimes you'll see amd64 being called x86_64, as well |
| 03:23.55 | ProwL | hmm |
| 03:24.01 | Elive_user67 | I dl'd the ia64 and it would not boot the server that is why i guess |
| 03:24.05 | ProwL | before i go down a terrifying path |
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| 03:24.16 | ProwL | could you guys suggest me your opinion on ntfs support for debian |
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| 03:24.37 | ProwL | writable would be nice.. but i see issues with libc6 |
| 03:24.37 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 03:24.38 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 03:25.11 | Elive_user67 | tahnks for the info,, would have never found it by reading the debian site. |
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| 03:25.16 | ProwL | abrotman: i havent installed any ntfs packages or anything, and im curious as to where i should start :) |
| 03:25.21 | Elive_user67 | am DL-ing now |
| 03:25.22 | ProwL | ie ntfs-3g, or..? |
| 03:25.34 | abrotman | Elive_user67: yes you would have .. the install guide is helpful |
| 03:25.35 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:25.36 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 03:25.42 | sujan | why do apt-get returns broken package error even though i have sucesfully upgraded it |
| 03:25.58 | Elive_user67 | crud ,, Iread the isntall and didnt see it |
| 03:26.08 | Elive_user67 | am going to the link you provided now |
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| 03:26.54 | Elive_user67 | hmm no arch listed |
| 03:27.45 | CompWizrd | amd64 isn't in sarge(stable) as an official distro though |
| 03:27.49 | CompWizrd | official port, sorry |
| 03:29.01 | zood_ | Is there a command line tool that will let me take a bunch of images and combine them side-by-side into a single image? |
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| 03:29.18 | afrosheen | hello all |
| 03:29.42 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:29.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 03:30.16 | afrosheen | does anyone have any suggestions as to what works best for VPNs? |
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| 03:30.49 | abrotman | openswan or wathever it's called now |
| 03:30.52 | rfrank | if lspci tells me the addy of an address is 01:00.1 then in my xorg.conf file it'd be 1:0:1 right |
| 03:30.53 | abrotman | !vpn |
| 03:30.53 | dpkg | from memory, vpn is see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/, or at http://openvpn.net/ |
| 03:31.03 | rfrank | addy of a vga controller ^ |
| 03:31.04 | abrotman | rfrank: no |
| 03:31.07 | rfrank | aahhh |
| 03:31.08 | rfrank | what is it |
| 03:31.17 | rfrank | 1:1:0? |
| 03:31.23 | abrotman | unless you have two video cards or a mac .. leave it blank |
| 03:31.33 | rfrank | dual headed video card |
| 03:31.37 | rfrank | and thats what I'm trying to do.. dual monitors |
| 03:31.39 | simonrvn | s,or a mac,, |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | no more mac funkieness? |
| 03:31.50 | abrotman | only old world macs ? |
| 03:31.56 | simonrvn | hans't been for a long time |
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| 03:32.10 | abrotman | hey .. that Mac Classic LE barely starts! |
| 03:32.11 | newbcoder | what is one line debian cd record to work? |
| 03:32.14 | rfrank | is there a dpkg tell thingy about dual monitors |
| 03:32.17 | afrosheen | has anyone used openswan? It's got nat-t support that I think I'll need. |
| 03:32.19 | CompWizrd | if it's nvidia, you can use twinview, don't have to play with addresses at all |
| 03:32.25 | abrotman | !xinerama |
| 03:32.26 | dpkg | it has been said that xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 03:32.36 | rfrank | ahhhhh thank you |
| 03:32.39 | rfrank | been looking for that forever |
| 03:32.44 | zood_ | newbcoder: burn ? |
| 03:32.55 | newbcoder | cdrecord -scanbus brings up nothing |
| 03:32.58 | newbcoder | how do I get it to bring up stuff |
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| 03:34.41 | mettallicat | how i force one package to not be upgraded |
| 03:34.44 | mettallicat | ? |
| 03:34.49 | simonrvn | !hold |
| 03:34.50 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 03:35.44 | geo-rge | mettallicat: but... why does it want to be upgraded? |
| 03:35.56 | mettallicat | geo-rge, i don't want to be upgraded |
| 03:36.14 | geo-rge | mettallicat: but... why does it want to be upgraded? <-- carefully read question :) |
| 03:36.43 | mettallicat | geo-rge, i don't want that version to my work ... |
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| 03:36.49 | mettallicat | odd stuff |
| 03:37.23 | geo-rge | I'm NOT asking what you want... I'm asking WHY -->IT<-- wants to be upgraded |
| 03:37.37 | geo-rge | please read carefully, ok? :) |
| 03:37.42 | newbcoder | cdrecord does not work; what is the step I need to get cd burning to work? |
| 03:37.44 | mettallicat | new version in repo |
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| 03:37.52 | geo-rge | what depends on it? |
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| 03:38.10 | solid_liq | I can't get the iso image for debian ia64 to boot |
| 03:38.14 | abrotman | !hold |
| 03:38.14 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 03:38.19 | abrotman | solid_liq: on what kind of box ? |
| 03:38.23 | solid_liq | I burned it with k3b |
| 03:38.24 | simonrvn | already did that ;) |
| 03:38.30 | solid_liq | it's on an amd64 X2 |
| 03:38.33 | geo-rge | !fold |
| 03:38.34 | abrotman | that's not ia64 |
| 03:38.47 | rfrank | these tutorials still dont' asnwer my question because they both use an agp card and a pci card |
| 03:38.47 | abrotman | what's wrong with geeks these days ... |
| 03:38.48 | solid_liq | abrotman: what will work with it then? |
| 03:38.49 | mettallicat | geo-rge, new version removes features |
| 03:38.50 | simonrvn | it's amd64 |
| 03:38.50 | rfrank | 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (Secondary) (rev 01) |
| 03:38.58 | solid_liq | but there's no amd64 image |
| 03:38.59 | abrotman | solid_liq: amd64 .. duh ? |
| 03:39.03 | simonrvn | even *i* know that much |
| 03:39.09 | rfrank | in my xorg.conf for that adapter I have BusID"PCI:1:0:1" |
| 03:39.09 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:39.10 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:39.11 | rfrank | is that right |
| 03:39.13 | solid_liq | I figured they'd called it ia64 for some odd reason. That for Itanium? |
| 03:39.37 | geo-rge | mettallicat: what's the package name? |
| 03:39.48 | solid_liq | ok, I didn't see that version when I looked :) |
| 03:39.53 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 03:39.53 | dpkg | i guess ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" architecture using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/xeon/em64t/pentium, it is NOT ia64 |
| 03:39.56 | mettallicat | geo-rge, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' worked .. how i remove when not needed |
| 03:40.06 | solid_liq | ah ok |
| 03:40.10 | solid_liq | thanks! |
| 03:40.25 | geo-rge | mettallicat: what -specifically- is the name of the package? |
| 03:40.27 | solid_liq | any driver problems with amd64? |
| 03:40.33 | mettallicat | geo-rge, snmpd |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | flash no workie |
| 03:40.41 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 03:40.46 | Wyzard | There's also no 64-bit Java plugin |
| 03:40.47 | solid_liq | no flash? |
| 03:40.51 | solid_liq | hrm |
| 03:40.54 | Wyzard | (though there's a 64-bit JRE that works just fine) |
| 03:40.55 | geo-rge | which debian are you running? |
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| 03:41.07 | simonrvn | the postinst is a bit twitchy, usually because the mib file isn't exactly what it's looking for |
| 03:41.10 | solid_liq | I'm getting ready to install amd64 |
| 03:41.31 | solid_liq | is there working 32 bit emulation for flash, etc? |
| 03:41.31 | mettallicat | not debian ... debian like distro ( ubuntu ) but none in distro communinty was able to help me |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 03:41.56 | solid_liq | mettallicat: which version? |
| 03:42.00 | abrotman | ask #ubuntu |
| 03:42.00 | mettallicat | edgy |
| 03:42.06 | abrotman | GO TO #ubuntu |
| 03:42.08 | simonrvn | well, go on the forums, or #ubuntu, because we can't help |
| 03:42.10 | solid_liq | mettallicat: edgy sucks, use dapper :D |
| 03:42.24 | simonrvn | edgy is um, edgy |
| 03:42.31 | abrotman | AND IT'S NOT DEBIAN |
| 03:42.37 | solid_liq | it's b0rken |
| 03:42.38 | mettallicat | geo-rge, after making my work i want to remove that hold... how can i do it ? |
| 03:42.41 | simonrvn | !prize abrotman |
| 03:42.53 | geo-rge | hmm... I was going to ask the bot for the deps on snmpd but the bot here doesn;t know ubuntu |
| 03:42.55 | abrotman | mettallicat: ASK #ubuntu |
| 03:43.06 | simonrvn | geo-rge: no, of course not |
| 03:43.13 | dondelelcaro | whether it's broken or not, it's totally off topic here; please take it elsewhere. |
| 03:43.55 | mettallicat | geo-rge, it's working on that version ( dapper ) but in future i'll need to remove that package from hold and i just want to know how to remove it from hold ! just that |
| 03:44.07 | abrotman | mettallicat: please go to #ubuntu |
| 03:44.12 | geo-rge | mettallicat: any answer you get here will apply only to debian (not, for example, ubuntu) and so trying to do it there, might or might not work |
| 03:44.19 | solid_liq | wow, I can't believe the netinst image for amd64 is only 107mb, nice! |
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| 03:44.29 | mettallicat | geo-rge, as i well know apt-get is the same in both distros |
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| 03:44.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 03:44.42 | dondelelcaro | we seem to not be getting the message... |
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| 03:44.57 | solid_liq | debian != ubuntu |
| 03:45.13 | solid_liq | debian <> ubuntu |
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| 03:45.29 | solid_liq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:45.35 | pstickne | (/ 'debian 'ubuntu) |
| 03:45.38 | pstickne | oops |
| 03:45.42 | dondelelcaro | you can stop now... |
| 03:45.42 | solid_liq | heheh |
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| 03:46.10 | solid_liq | just one more :D |
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| 03:46.14 | solid_liq | debian > ubuntu |
| 03:46.15 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 03:46.20 | pstickne | go go go! |
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| 03:49.12 | chemaja | solid_liq: i think mark shuttleworth `set -o noclobber' |
| 03:49.14 | chemaja | :0 |
| 03:49.47 | solid_liq | chemaja: :D |
| 03:50.00 | pickcoder | for some reason I can't get USB kb/mouse to work with 2.4.27 on Sarge |
| 03:50.17 | pickcoder | it works fine with the 2.2 kernel from Woody |
| 03:50.29 | geo-rge | what reaso would that be? :) |
| 03:51.28 | solid_liq | 2.2 kernel is old |
| 03:51.31 | solid_liq | 2.6 is nice |
| 03:51.44 | geo-rge | old but it did work |
| 03:51.54 | solid_liq | 2.6 works well |
| 03:52.09 | solid_liq | just not 2.6.8.1-2.6.13 |
| 03:52.31 | solid_liq | 2.6.2-2.6.7 U 2.6.14+ work well |
| 03:52.51 | abrotman | !usb mouse |
| 03:52.52 | dpkg | i guess usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 03:53.00 | geo-rge | oh, good thing I run 2.6.7 :) |
| 03:53.11 | solid_liq | :D |
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| 03:53.31 | solid_liq | when they put the new scheduler in, things sucked for awhile until the scheduler code matured |
| 03:53.42 | geo-rge | actually that's not true, I just upgraded and I'm in the process of trying to get fglrx working |
| 03:53.44 | pickcoder | abrotman: the kb doesn't work either |
| 03:53.48 | solid_liq | 2.6.7 is old scheduler |
| 03:54.01 | abrotman | pickcoder: you're not loading the usb modules i'd guess |
| 03:54.21 | pickcoder | abrotman: I ran an upgrade from 3.0. It should have installed the modules |
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| 03:54.30 | abrotman | installed yes .. loaded no |
| 03:54.32 | geo-rge | but not necessarily inserted |
| 03:54.33 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 03:54.34 | dpkg | usbmouse is probably [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | oh yeah .. install usbmgr .. that thing kicks butt |
| 03:54.50 | pickcoder | hid and usbcore are loaded |
| 03:55.02 | pickcoder | as well as input for mousedev_hid |
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| 03:56.34 | pickcoder | abrotman: I am running usbmgr |
| 03:56.40 | pickcoder | and it finds both devices under 2.2 |
| 03:56.54 | abrotman | dmesg say anything ? |
| 03:57.57 | pickcoder | abrotman: I have no idea, I can't use the KB! |
| 03:58.15 | abrotman | find a damn ps2 keyboard |
| 03:58.31 | abrotman | anyone live in the DC-ish area ? |
| 03:58.40 | geo-rge | pickcoderssh in from another machine |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | nm .. i found it |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | remembered it :) |
| 03:59.29 | geo-rge | you found washington dc?! |
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| 04:00.05 | abrotman | marrakesh |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | there's one in philly too |
| 04:00.25 | geo-rge | what's a marrakesh? |
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| 04:01.12 | abrotman | it's normal! |
| 04:01.45 | geo-rge | it's a normal... what? |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | his nick is normal |
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| 04:02.12 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 04:02.36 | Gnea | !helixsmite abrotman |
| 04:02.43 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:02.57 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 04:03.07 | abrotman | no more stupid oO0Gnea0Oo |
| 04:03.58 | geo-rge | he likes decorative bookends... |
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| 04:07.23 | niru | hello all |
| 04:07.26 | niru | good morning |
| 04:07.37 | xabbott | hi |
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| 04:10.02 | niru | xabbott:I want to create an installable cd of debian flavour with kde packages.how? |
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| 04:10.20 | niru | xabbott:With gnome I already have an installable cd |
| 04:10.49 | arunkumaran | helo friends |
| 04:11.07 | arunkumaran | i plan to install n use debian after installing it on a USB HDD - 80GB |
| 04:11.26 | arunkumaran | i dont know if my bios supposrts USB booting...how can i find that |
| 04:11.58 | dondelelcaro | arunkumaran: check your bios menus |
| 04:12.38 | arunkumaran | dondelcaro: my bios menu contains only lan, hdd0 hdd1...fdd,cdrom and finally a ls/zip |
| 04:12.59 | abrotman | no parallel port? |
| 04:13.24 | arunkumaran | only this is indicated....mine is award bios |
| 04:13.48 | xabbott | niru, i dont understand |
| 04:14.06 | arunkumaran | would it be possible to create a boot cd for booting from USB external HDD |
| 04:14.17 | xabbott | niru, you want to make a new install iso with kde packages instead of gnome? |
| 04:14.32 | niru | exactly xabbott |
| 04:14.38 | dondelelcaro | arunkumaran: that tends to indicate that it doesn't support usb booting; it's possible that the zip option will, but that usually refers to an ide zip device. |
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| 04:14.59 | niru | I even got the iso image but the kde packages are not getting installed.May I know why? |
| 04:15.05 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 04:15.13 | xabbott | niru: which installer are you using? |
| 04:15.20 | arunkumaran | dondelelcaro: so assuming that it doent support that....would the boot cd route be a good recourse |
| 04:15.21 | xabbott | etch? |
| 04:15.45 | dondelelcaro | arunkumaran: a boot cd would work, as would a boot floppy. Basically, all you need to do is get the kernel and initrd running |
| 04:15.55 | niru | xabbott:d-i |
| 04:16.02 | niru | xabbott:debian etch |
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| 04:16.08 | arunkumaran | dondelelcaro: check out that link |
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| 04:16.17 | geo-rge | niru: the installer (any installer) first installs the base and reboots... then you finalize a few things and pick what general things you want |
| 04:16.21 | xabbott | niru: ok, when you install do you select desktop/base packages? |
| 04:16.29 | xabbott | or just base? |
| 04:16.37 | arunkumaran | dondelelcaro: that procedure shld be good enuf for debain too |
| 04:16.41 | madman215 | how do i reconfigure xf86? |
| 04:17.10 | madman215 | dpkg-reconfigure ?????? im lost after that |
| 04:17.23 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 04:17.24 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 04:18.16 | niru | xabbott,geo-rge:as soon as I boot into the cd everything goes fine |
| 04:18.53 | niru | xabbott,geo-rge:The installation starts and the base packages are getting installed but comming to the step "Configuring the Package manager" |
| 04:18.54 | geo-rge | so the next thing to do is let it install the base? |
| 04:19.18 | niru | xabbott:It is not moving forward and neither any error message is displayed |
| 04:19.34 | niru | geo-rge:the base is getting installed |
| 04:19.39 | geo-rge | ok |
| 04:19.44 | arunkumaran | and will the slow speed of the USB HDD pose a problem? |
| 04:20.13 | niru | xabbott:I aded all the kde packages list in debian-cd directory |
| 04:20.41 | niru | xabbott:What I need to do for kde packages |
| 04:21.00 | xabbott | i've only ever used net installs |
| 04:21.11 | xabbott | so i've just always done base install |
| 04:21.38 | xabbott | then i apt-get gnome-core or kde-core |
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| 04:22.03 | niru | xabbott:so can you help me out in doing the same |
| 04:22.10 | geo-rge | niru: first get the base going, reboot into it, do the final setup steps, then install kde or gnome or whichever :) |
| 04:22.22 | niru | I mean how can I have net install method incorporated in my cd |
| 04:22.32 | geo-rge | it already is |
| 04:23.05 | geo-rge | but there are basic requirements: you have to have working network setup |
| 04:23.18 | niru | geo-rge:then I need to connect to repository |
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| 04:23.21 | geo-rge | but that's not much to set up |
| 04:23.38 | niru | and what about the list of kde packages that I have in the debian-cd folder |
| 04:23.40 | geo-rge | if you can ping google.com and get replies, you're all set as far as network goes |
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| 04:24.24 | geo-rge | if you install one or two "abstract" packages, this will cause many more to be installed |
| 04:24.35 | arunkumaran | helooooo |
| 04:24.46 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.54 | pmv | good day there |
| 04:25.00 | pmv | anyone here on yaird? |
| 04:25.06 | geo-rge | what's that |
| 04:25.20 | pmv | the replacement initramfs |
| 04:25.47 | geo-rge | I may have tried it a long time ago and forgot most of the details :) |
| 04:26.07 | geo-rge | or saw it somewhere like in a kernel config |
| 04:26.12 | niru | pmv:yaird? is it for live cd creation |
| 04:26.24 | pmv | nah, on my notebook |
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| 04:26.42 | pmv | though I've a mind to play with livecds and in-memory fs later ;-) |
| 04:26.51 | pmv | anyways, I got it to try out cryptdisk |
| 04:27.12 | pmv | and I've been fighting to get it to support acpi, software suspend |
| 04:27.19 | pmv | without much success |
| 04:27.41 | niru | pmv:any idea on debian installable cd creation with d-i and kde packages |
| 04:28.03 | pmv | niru: I'm sure lots of people have done that |
| 04:28.15 | niru | are they available here |
| 04:28.18 | pmv | hmm |
| 04:28.31 | pmv | now that you mention it, I haven't actually seen any actual packaged isos that do that |
| 04:28.36 | pmv | but it's possible, of course |
| 04:28.39 | pmv | look at kubuntu |
| 04:28.51 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 04:28.52 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 04:35.33 | pmv | so anyways, no yaird fans here huh? |
| 04:35.49 | pmv | well, has anyone tried getting cryptdisk workin on the vanilla initramfs? |
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| 04:40.49 | pmv | haven't seen #debian this quiet in a while ;-) |
| 04:40.57 | pmv | must be universal lunch break? |
| 04:40.59 | pmv | hehe |
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| 04:41.42 | cat | anyone here knows a good kernel for a toshiba tecra 8200 |
| 04:41.58 | pmv | any specifics? |
| 04:42.04 | pmv | what modules do you want? |
| 04:42.30 | cat | the thing is that pmv any time i want to see my other terminal it doesn't allow me two, |
| 04:42.41 | cat | for example ctrl alt f1 i cannot see it |
| 04:42.43 | schme | Any thoughts on if there will ever be an official Debian/SunOS ? |
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| 04:44.23 | pmv | cat: you mean your virtual ttys are missing? |
| 04:44.29 | pmv | well that's not a kernel config |
| 04:44.40 | pmv | unless of course your keys are mapped to something in firmwware |
| 04:44.50 | cat | pmv: not sure what's going on with it, |
| 04:44.53 | pmv | sure you're not pressing the Fn key? |
| 04:45.18 | pmv | heh, sorry mate.. I've had a number of Toshibas.. they do funky stuff with their hardware |
| 04:45.30 | cat | wow |
| 04:45.30 | pmv | they even have the gall to *gasp* relocate the Windows key! |
| 04:45.34 | pmv | :-p |
| 04:45.41 | cat | damn that sucks |
| 04:45.45 | pmv | hehe |
| 04:46.05 | pmv | cat: this a fresh system? |
| 04:46.10 | pmv | or did someone else tinker with it? |
| 04:46.15 | cat | fresh |
| 04:46.59 | pmv | when you're in tty1, can you access tty0 using alt-F1? |
| 04:47.22 | cat | i cannot see it |
| 04:47.28 | cat | is something with my video card |
| 04:47.50 | pmv | oh you mean you can't see any of em? |
| 04:47.58 | pmv | or just the first virtual tty? |
| 04:48.09 | cat | nope i cannot, view them periodly |
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| 04:48.21 | pmv | periodly you mean one after the other? .. |
| 04:50.23 | niru | pmv:whenever I am installing any package in my testing system I am getting the error as Invalid record in the preferences file,no package header |
| 04:50.30 | niru | may I know why |
| 04:50.37 | unlink | i get the following error upgrading gaim-data on sid: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gaim-data_1%3a2.0.0+beta5-5_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/gconf/schemas/gaim.schemas', which is also in package gaim |
| 04:50.45 | niru | and I am unable to install any package now |
| 04:51.00 | pmv | niru: have you gone aptitude update? |
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| 04:51.56 | niru | pmv:ya I changed the repository and gave apt-get update |
| 04:52.00 | niru | still why |
| 04:52.11 | geo-rge | show the deb liune |
| 04:52.13 | pmv | niru: probably metadata from your update server .. |
| 04:52.19 | pmv | yeah, show the source line |
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| 04:52.36 | pmv | in soures.list |
| 04:53.02 | geo-rge | plus show the exact command you ran |
| 04:53.14 | pmv | *sources.list |
| 04:53.17 | niru | pmv:vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:53.24 | pmv | arr |
| 04:53.35 | niru | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 04:53.42 | pmv | okay |
| 04:53.45 | niru | and gave apt-get update |
| 04:53.52 | geo-rge | did it run? |
| 04:53.53 | niru | then did apt-get install debhelper |
| 04:54.03 | geo-rge | did that run? |
| 04:54.04 | niru | yes apt-get update ran properly |
| 04:54.08 | niru | yes |
| 04:54.11 | pmv | might be the repo having bad data |
| 04:54.17 | pmv | try changing mirrors |
| 04:54.21 | pmv | that is, use another repo |
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| 04:54.25 | geo-rge | ok, so it seems like everything's working fine |
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| 04:54.57 | geo-rge | what command did not work? |
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| 04:55.26 | pmv | geo-rge: he's trying to install debhelper |
| 04:55.43 | geo-rge | he did it tho |
| 04:55.59 | niru | pmv:I changed repo many times still same problem |
| 04:56.01 | pmv | niru: at what point did this happen? |
| 04:56.08 | pmv | after install? before? |
| 04:56.19 | geo-rge | ok, so back up one step... when you did apt-get install debhelper what happened? |
| 04:56.20 | niru | and also not only debhelper whatever package I am trying installing it shows the same |
| 04:56.25 | pmv | debhelper's fine here. I'm using jp2. |
| 04:56.33 | pmv | ah, okay, so it's your system |
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| 04:56.59 | geo-rge | so something in your prefs file is bad? |
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| 04:57.06 | niru | yes |
| 04:57.16 | geo-rge | pastebin that file |
| 04:57.20 | niru | geo-rge:where is my preferences file |
| 04:57.25 | niru | ? |
| 04:57.26 | geo-rge | I dunno :) |
| 04:57.36 | pmv | that's dpkg metadata I think |
| 04:57.38 | pmv | niru: |
| 04:57.53 | pmv | anything weird in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf? |
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| 04:58.39 | pmv | or equivalent in your deb flavour |
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| 05:00.10 | geo-rge | I'd like to see the output of this... ls /var/cache/apt/archives/apt* | wc -l |
| 05:00.33 | pmv | http://pastebin.ca |
| 05:00.50 | geo-rge | that will be one line, and likely one char :) |
| 05:01.09 | geo-rge | which could be 1 :) |
| 05:01.10 | pmv | heh |
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| 05:01.41 | geo-rge | he won't need pastebin for that |
| 05:01.51 | pmv | no, I mean, for his debconf file |
| 05:02.04 | niru | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.04 | geo-rge | oh right |
| 05:02.13 | geo-rge | ok, 4 is fine... |
| 05:02.20 | pmv | er.. |
| 05:02.33 | geo-rge | so show me ls /var/cache/apt/archives/apt* |
| 05:02.35 | pmv | what exactly are you trying to find out? :-p |
| 05:02.37 | gb | Any tips too set the timezone up for daylight savings in order for ntpdate too set it correctly? |
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| 05:02.53 | geo-rge | if he has a package that he can use to locally install apt-get |
| 05:03.02 | pmv | ahh |
| 05:03.05 | niru | pmv:http://pastebin.ca/267914 |
| 05:03.20 | geo-rge | if so, he could purge apt entirely and reinstall |
| 05:03.50 | pmv | niru: nothing seems wrong there |
| 05:03.53 | gb | eww I'd think a restore from backup would be nicer |
| 05:04.01 | geo-rge | http://pastebin.ca/267914 |
| 05:04.04 | pmv | yeah, but if it's a problem with dpkg he'll have a hell of a time doing reinstall |
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| 05:06.39 | geo-rge | niru: show me ls /var/cache/apt/archives/apt* |
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| 05:07.02 | geo-rge | it should be two lines, if it's more, let me know first |
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| 05:07.51 | niru | geo-rge:/var/cache/apt/archives/apt_0.6.46.2_i386.deb |
| 05:07.51 | niru | /var/cache/apt/archives/apt-file_2.0.8.2_all.deb |
| 05:07.51 | niru | /var/cache/apt/archives/aptitude_0.4.3-1_i386.deb |
| 05:07.51 | niru | /var/cache/apt/archives/apt-utils_0.6.46.2_i386.deb |
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| 05:08.02 | pmv | tsk |
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| 05:08.08 | troy | totally basic, 10 second question -- is there an easy way to install debs (namely ImgaeMagick) that are linked against X libs, without installing X libs? |
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| 05:08.15 | geo-rge | ok, well... good... ok, now do this |
| 05:08.21 | niru | geo-rge:did you get the lines |
| 05:08.23 | geo-rge | whoami |
| 05:08.25 | geo-rge | yep |
| 05:08.34 | troy | or a repository w/debs not dynamically linked to X libs? |
| 05:08.50 | niru | geo-rge:boss |
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| 05:08.51 | pickcoder | troy: are you looking for dev libs? |
| 05:09.06 | geo-rge | troy: they won't work... but it probably is possible |
| 05:09.06 | troy | pickcoder: no, I just want imagemagick w/o X |
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| 05:09.22 | troy | geo-rge: so nobody's compiled debs for packages w/o X? |
| 05:09.39 | troy | I'm used to being able to choose my autoconf options, which would make this pretty easy |
| 05:09.41 | geo-rge | troy: if no, maybe you can :) |
| 05:09.46 | pmv | baaad geo-rge :-p |
| 05:10.08 | troy | I've been mostly working w/Gentoo, where USE flags just take care of dependencies for ya |
| 05:10.11 | geo-rge | that's the point of having a compiler... you can build any free thing yourself |
| 05:10.22 | troy | or more accurately, take care of optional dependencies |
| 05:10.35 | troy | geo-rge: sure, but I'd prefer a unified package system |
| 05:11.01 | zinx | troy: debian handles optional dependencies by having additional packages in some cases |
| 05:11.06 | geo-rge | niru: do this... cp /var/cache/apt/archives/apt_0.6.46.2_i386.deb ~boss/ |
| 05:11.27 | spyro_boy | yay for debian |
| 05:11.35 | pickcoder | troy: the depends for imagemagick shows libX11, so the answer is no |
| 05:11.38 | troy | zinx: ok, but it requires manual work by a maintainer? |
| 05:11.51 | troy | (or me making a deb, which i'm not inclined to do) |
| 05:11.55 | troy | hmm, that's too bad |
| 05:11.59 | pickcoder | troy: you can download the source and install it yourself |
| 05:12.09 | dondelelcaro | troy: there's really no reason not to install the x libs. |
| 05:12.13 | pickcoder | troy: just don't expect other stuff to work |
| 05:12.16 | geo-rge | pickcoder: he can install it... it just won't work, at least not in all cases |
| 05:12.19 | spyro_boy | what's the deal with Etch? |
| 05:12.25 | troy | sure, and up until a couple years ago, that's what I would have done for everything |
| 05:12.27 | dondelelcaro | troy: the things that the libraries depend upon are not X itself at all. |
| 05:12.29 | pmv | troy: you can force aptitude to install it |
| 05:12.36 | geo-rge | Etch is a really good deal! |
| 05:12.39 | troy | dondelelcaro: sure, just the dynamic libs |
| 05:12.40 | spyro_boy | I'm new to Debian so I'm not sure how this whole release deal goes |
| 05:12.46 | pmv | damn straight |
| 05:12.59 | spyro_boy | my friend said something about a bet or pool or something? |
| 05:13.06 | pickcoder | spyro_boy: it'll be released at some point when the RC bugs are dealt with |
| 05:13.12 | geo-rge | spyro_boy: debian is easy to upgrade... not so easy to downgrade |
| 05:13.12 | troy | dondelelcaro: but it seems like a disadvantage from where I'm coming from (mostly source, then gentoo) |
| 05:13.13 | spyro_boy | Oh. |
| 05:13.18 | spyro_boy | geo-rge: fair enough |
| 05:13.19 | spyro_boy | thanks |
| 05:13.34 | geo-rge | do you run another linux or unix-alike? |
| 05:13.39 | troy | which has the "stuff just works" package management down, with the benefit that it's with my autoconf flags |
| 05:13.50 | troy | oh well, that answers the question. thanks all. |
| 05:13.51 | spyro_boy | geo-rge: slackware |
| 05:13.53 | niru | geo-rge:what that will do |
| 05:14.00 | spyro_boy | oh. |
| 05:14.05 | pmv | troy: or, download the deb file and then dpkg it with --force-things |
| 05:14.06 | spyro_boy | not me it seems :( |
| 05:14.09 | geo-rge | niru: copy a file to make sure you'll have it |
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| 05:14.29 | pickcoder | pmv: advising people to force anything with dpkg can break their system |
| 05:14.31 | dondelelcaro | pmv: please do not suggest that people use --force options to ignore dependencies; that's not the way to do thiings. |
| 05:14.46 | pickcoder | gah |
| 05:14.59 | pmv | pickcoder: s'what he wants |
| 05:15.01 | niru | geo-rge:what is the actual problem |
| 05:15.08 | niru | I am not getting |
| 05:15.39 | geo-rge | pickcoder: he's not necessarily -advising- him to do so... but it does seem to be what he wants... we are telling him that things won't work. that way he alone makes the choice |
| 05:16.17 | dondelelcaro | pmv, geo-rge: it's not what he really wants; dealing with the root issue (assumption that having libx11g installed is bad) is the right way. |
| 05:16.18 | geo-rge | niru: some config file is bad, I guess... so my proposed solution is to remove the package and its config files and reinstall |
| 05:16.30 | pmv | dondelelcaro: yeah, I see your point of course |
| 05:16.30 | dondelelcaro | s/g/-6/ |
| 05:16.43 | pmv | too bad he left too soon |
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| 05:17.32 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: how are we to presume that is or isn't what he really wants? we're not his parents... all we can do is tell him the consequences and let him do what he wants |
| 05:17.49 | niru | so now what I need to remove geo-rge |
| 05:18.01 | geo-rge | niru: apt |
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| 05:18.18 | geo-rge | and its config files |
| 05:18.32 | niru | where will be the config files geo-rge |
| 05:18.53 | pickcoder | geo-rge: and a source install was suggested, with warnings |
| 05:18.59 | geo-rge | the package knows for itself; further, the program was built to know its own place |
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| 05:19.06 | geo-rge | pickcoder: yes |
| 05:19.10 | pickcoder | you can't get much more low-level install control than that |
| 05:19.20 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: people come in here with improper presumptions all the time. Correcting them is part of what happens here. |
| 05:19.38 | dondelelcaro | using --force-depends is *NEVER* the right solution. |
| 05:19.48 | pickcoder | brb |
| 05:20.02 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro, in the present case, that's the solution to use... because apt won't be uninstalled without that |
| 05:20.04 | dondelelcaro | rebuilding, equivs, or realizing that there's no reason not to have libx11-6 installed are all appropriate ones. |
| 05:20.28 | Taka0 | hi guys , I'm looking for the iso of debian testing on the official website , but I can't find it , can someone points me out where it is ? |
| 05:20.48 | geo-rge | believe me, I've used --force-depends many times, and I understand the consequences of doing so |
| 05:20.48 | stew | Taka0: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 05:20.54 | g333k | Hi, I'm trying to access using ssh to a PC but using another as bridge... I'm executing this command and receiving that output: http://pastebin.ca/267925 any clue? |
| 05:21.16 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: in niro's case, the solution is to fix his preferences file, not remove apt. |
| 05:21.30 | geo-rge | we can't even find the bad one |
| 05:21.35 | Taka0 | thank you stew |
| 05:21.50 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: there's only one |
| 05:22.02 | geo-rge | then we saw it already, yes? |
| 05:22.16 | dondelelcaro | niru: remove /etc/apt/preferences; and try again. |
| 05:22.32 | dondelelcaro | the other files are configuration files, not preferences files that affect pinning. |
| 05:23.13 | dondelelcaro | niru: or alternatively, move it away (or fix it) |
| 05:23.14 | streuner | (lesson knowledge) |
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| 05:25.20 | niru | dondelelcaro:there is no file /etc/aptpreferences |
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| 05:25.44 | dondelelcaro | niru: ok; then run whatever apt-get command you are trying to run and provide the full and complete output from it. |
| 05:25.47 | geo-rge | niru: but is there a file /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 05:26.02 | pmv | ;-) |
| 05:26.57 | geo-rge | I'd say purging and reinstalling apt is looking better |
| 05:27.14 | dondelelcaro | it's totally not necessary, and worse, won't solve the problem. |
| 05:27.38 | dondelelcaro | (since the preferences file isn't provided by apt, it isn't remove in it's postrm) |
| 05:27.38 | geo-rge | do you know what the problem is yet? |
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| 05:27.55 | niru | Zgeo-rge:I purged apt and reinstalled it again but in vain |
| 05:28.08 | niru | geo-rge:I purged apt and reinstalled it again but in vain |
| 05:28.11 | geo-rge | ok, well, we tried :) |
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| 05:28.35 | geo-rge | so there's not /etc/apt/preferences? (you were missing a / before) |
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| 05:28.50 | lcandell | anyone install debian on the ps3 yet? |
| 05:29.13 | geo-rge | I'm not willing to be shot trying to buy one :P |
| 05:29.19 | lcandell | heh |
| 05:29.20 | streuner | only few people have the chance to use ps3? |
| 05:29.42 | lcandell | i just finished installing debian on the ps3 |
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| 05:29.48 | geo-rge | and? |
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| 05:29.51 | lcandell | well - ubuntu but its the same thing |
| 05:30.02 | lcandell | im having problems with the xorg conf |
| 05:30.12 | geo-rge | not actually... but we'll ignore that issue for now |
| 05:30.17 | lcandell | heh |
| 05:30.28 | niru | geo-rge:what about my issue |
| 05:30.44 | geo-rge | niru: answer the following question please: |
| 05:30.54 | geo-rge | so there's not /etc/apt/preferences? (you were missing a / before) |
| 05:31.09 | pmv | hehe |
| 05:31.26 | niru | geo-rge:no preferences file atall |
| 05:31.43 | geo-rge | ok, then we're stuck trying to find the problem |
| 05:31.48 | dondelelcaro | niru: then you need to provide us with the complete output of the apt-get command that you are trying to run. |
| 05:31.54 | dondelelcaro | niru: use a paste site to do so. |
| 05:32.06 | niru | Ok |
| 05:32.19 | geo-rge | niru: try this way: |
| 05:32.29 | niru | dondelelcaro:Reading package lists....Done |
| 05:32.42 | dondelelcaro | niru: don't paste here; use a paste site. |
| 05:32.53 | niru | E:Invalid record in the preferences file,no Package header |
| 05:32.55 | dondelelcaro | niru: and paste the *entire* output |
| 05:33.10 | niru | only two lines dondelecaro |
| 05:33.11 | geo-rge | apt-get install debhelper > aLogFile 2>&1 |
| 05:33.16 | niru | I have typed here |
| 05:33.23 | dondelelcaro | niru: it can't only be two lines, and you're typing them, not pasting them. |
| 05:33.48 | geo-rge | then paste aLogFile |
| 05:34.02 | geo-rge | (to a pastebin that is) |
| 05:34.41 | pmv | brb all, havin lunch |
| 05:34.49 | dondelelcaro | in any event, the solution is (I almost guarantee it) going to be copying /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 to /var/lib/dpkg/status; good luck. |
| 05:35.16 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 05:35.24 | geo-rge | so we back up the status file first |
| 05:35.37 | dondelelcaro | it's already backed up. |
| 05:35.38 | CVirus | I manually compiled dosemu and now I cant make uninstall it because "make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop." ... what shall I do ? |
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| 05:35.52 | dondelelcaro | CVirus: manually remove it. |
| 05:35.54 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: as which file? |
| 05:36.05 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 |
| 05:36.10 | niru | geo-rge:in log I am seeing only one line |
| 05:36.13 | CVirus | dondelelcaro: just make clean and remove the binaries from /usr/bin ? |
| 05:36.20 | dondelelcaro | CVirus: and anything else it installed |
| 05:36.30 | dondelelcaro | CVirus: this'd be why you should just apt-get install dosemu; |
| 05:36.38 | CVirus | dondelelcaro: will do ... Thanks |
| 05:36.39 | niru | dondelelcaro:Reading package list..... |
| 05:37.04 | CVirus | dondelelcaro: well ... I'm on ubuntu and the package isn't working |
| 05:37.22 | geo-rge | niru: so did you put the 2>&1 at the end of the command? |
| 05:38.23 | geo-rge | niru: one comment I have is it's very difficult to help when we cannot see your screen... |
| 05:38.35 | geo-rge | I'm pretty sure many of us believe you're not typing the commands exactly as given |
| 05:38.47 | grendal_prime | woops...i mean...shit dude..did you try #ubuntu? |
| 05:39.02 | jair | hello guys, If i create a partitioning of the disk: |
| 05:39.15 | jair | "/boot = 100MB" |
| 05:39.30 | jair | "/swap = 2GB" |
| 05:39.36 | grendal_prime | wow |
| 05:39.44 | jair | "/ = 50GB" |
| 05:39.49 | gb | what a waste of diskspace |
| 05:39.53 | niru | geo-rge:Now I gave the same command as mentioned |
| 05:39.56 | grendal_prime | thats a ....howyousay...mthfkr swap drive dude |
| 05:39.57 | niru | And Reading package lists... |
| 05:39.58 | niru | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 05:40.19 | grendal_prime | maybe he has a terrabyte of ram |
| 05:40.22 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 05:40.24 | geo-rge | ok, run this command... |
| 05:40.25 | jair | and have 50GB of space remaining, can I use it for LVM? or LVM2 even if is another partition of the same disk (100GB) |
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| 05:40.51 | gb | If sumone had a terrabyte of ram they wouldn't need any swap |
| 05:41.10 | jair | gb: I have 2GB of ram |
| 05:41.28 | jair | but that is not the issue space is ship today and I have san also |
| 05:41.31 | grendal_prime | welll unless they were running a terrabyte of apps, and they needed somewhere to put shit... |
| 05:41.36 | niru | geo-rge:which command |
| 05:41.36 | geo-rge | diff -u /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 > ~boss/status.diff |
| 05:41.40 | grendal_prime | alot of somewhere... |
| 05:41.57 | grendal_prime | mayby he has 640k of ram...i hear that is all you need. |
| 05:42.13 | jair | the question is: can I use the other 50GB for LVM2? or LVM?> |
| 05:42.24 | geo-rge | jair: sure |
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| 05:42.34 | jair | that is what I am asking here guys? has anyone played with LVM? |
| 05:42.44 | grendal_prime | i would think you could use it for anything you want..its your space right? |
| 05:42.45 | geo-rge | I'd make a / partition tho, |
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| 05:43.10 | jair | geo-rge: even when the space of 50GB are part of the same physical disk? |
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| 05:43.59 | geo-rge | I have a non-lvm / and lvm everything else (/home, /usr, /var, /usr/src, /usr/local) |
| 05:44.25 | geo-rge | it |
| 05:44.36 | geo-rge | is a separate partition, yes? |
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| 05:44.46 | jair | yes |
| 05:44.56 | geo-rge | yeah, it can be an lvm pv |
| 05:45.10 | geo-rge | set partition type to 8E |
| 05:45.23 | jair | ohh so like that you can assign any size to those file systems "/home" etc.. because you will be able to resize them on the fly correct? |
| 05:45.36 | geo-rge | yes, moreorless |
| 05:45.37 | gb | I wouldn't go near lvm ever again |
| 05:46.02 | gb | it's very good for trashing filesystems if you have the index disk fail |
| 05:46.05 | geo-rge | well you definitely should keep backups... if you don't, well... |
| 05:46.12 | jair | haha LVM2 I heard is very very good, I mean depend of your hardware and needs |
| 05:46.49 | geo-rge | it is, but I'd keep backups whether you use lvm or not |
| 05:46.52 | gb | my backups were all that enabled me too recover quickly onto a non lvm setup :) |
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| 05:47.31 | gb | dont know if lvm2 is any better though |
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| 05:49.07 | geo-rge | !test |
| 05:49.08 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 05:50.18 | geo-rge | gb: lvm2 is very different... all of lvm-smarts is in userland, then the kernel has a thing called a device mapper module |
| 05:50.23 | jair | I will try to create a logical volume and see what happen I have a machine to test (no need backup) |
| 05:50.46 | geo-rge | jair: you already have debian installed |
| 05:50.48 | geo-rge | ? |
| 05:50.55 | jair | geo-rge: yes |
| 05:51.23 | geo-rge | do you have stock debian kernel? |
| 05:51.39 | jair | stock? |
| 05:51.58 | jair | do not understand exactly what do you mean with that? |
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| 05:52.36 | CVirus | I install a package using apt-get and then removed it and then I manually removed its configuration files that apt didn't remove .... Now when I re-install the package ... most of the files that I manually removed aren't re-created ... what can I do ? |
| 05:53.34 | geo-rge | CVirus: you have to purge the package to make it think the configs are removed |
| 05:54.06 | geo-rge | then when you reinstall it will put all original config files |
| 05:54.27 | jair | CVirus: have you tried "apt-get remove --purge <package>? then check the if the package still on "dpkg -l |grep <name of package>| less"? |
| 05:55.15 | geo-rge | jair: stock meaning a kernel packaged by debian (not one you built yourself or one from another dist or other source) |
| 05:55.51 | CVirus | geo-rge: jair: Thanks |
| 05:55.53 | geo-rge | niru, you still here? |
| 05:56.03 | niru | yes |
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| 05:56.12 | geo-rge | ahh, did you run that diff command? |
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| 05:56.29 | niru | geo-rge:Now I gave the same command as mentioned |
| 05:56.42 | niru | Reading package lists... |
| 05:56.42 | niru | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 05:56.53 | niru | This is what the log file has |
| 05:56.54 | TheCamper | Hey, I've got some trouble. I'm running Debian Testing and did an apt-get -f update a few days ago (hadn't updated in ages). After everything updated I killed X and started it again just to be sure (I've previously had nightmares with updating and nvidia kernel source). Everything worked fine. I shut my computer down and turned it on the next day and I get this error almost immediately after GRUB: "RAMDISK: Compressed imag |
| 05:56.54 | TheCamper | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.55 | TheCamper | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.12 | jair | geo-rge: ok yes I have the kernel 2.6.8-3-686 I think |
| 05:57.14 | geo-rge | niru: now run this: diff -u /var/lib/dpkg/status /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 > ~boss/status.diff |
| 05:57.29 | geo-rge | jair: that kernel should have lvm2 |
| 05:57.37 | jair | all right so? |
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| 05:57.53 | TheCamper | hda3 is my root partition. I've found several fixes online, nothing seems to work. I've edited my grub to include ramdisk_size=8192 and even larger, and nothing works. |
| 05:58.00 | geo-rge | you could use lvm now :) there might be a tools package you have to install tho |
| 05:58.02 | jair | it means I can start creating my volume group and lvs. |
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| 05:58.14 | geo-rge | should be, yes. |
| 05:58.18 | jair | ok |
| 05:58.23 | jair | thanks |
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| 05:58.40 | geo-rge | welcome, keep good backups |
| 05:58.51 | pickcoder | how do I specify the order in which eth devices are named |
| 05:59.02 | TheCamper | Supposedly my problem is a known bug, but I can find no official way to fix this. |
| 05:59.17 | geo-rge | umm, it's the order their drivers are loaded or initialized |
| 05:59.24 | pickcoder | that's what I thought |
| 05:59.35 | pickcoder | however |
| 05:59.46 | geo-rge | so if you have two -different- cards... you can specify their order |
| 05:59.46 | pickcoder | my modules file only contained a module name for one of the nics installed |
| 05:59.57 | pickcoder | yet the card that was not listed was loaded as eth0 |
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| 06:00.06 | pickcoder | even though it shouldn't have been loaded |
| 06:00.09 | geo-rge | so something found it |
| 06:00.19 | pickcoder | something outside of the modules config? |
| 06:00.21 | geo-rge | maybe libdiscover |
| 06:00.26 | niru | geo-rge:It is a big file |
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| 06:00.46 | geo-rge | niru: ok, that indicates there are a lot of differences |
| 06:00.55 | niru | geo-rge:yes |
| 06:01.01 | pickcoder | brb..reboot test |
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| 06:01.29 | geo-rge | what we can do is first backup the status file and then restore from the backup dondelelcaro mentioned |
| 06:01.50 | geo-rge | "it is the backup!" no, it's not. the files are different. |
| 06:01.52 | jair | geo-rge: I changed the type of partition "/hda4" = 8e Linux LVM |
| 06:02.21 | geo-rge | jair: and /dev/hda4 is the one you want to be a physical vol? |
| 06:02.26 | jair | geo-rge: now i guess I will first need to create a volume group and then make it part of it.?? or do I need to fotmat that first as ext3? |
| 06:02.36 | jair | all right |
| 06:02.48 | geo-rge | you |
| 06:03.09 | jair | yes that is the one I added "/dev/hda4" 10GB |
| 06:03.10 | geo-rge | have to pvcreate on that partition first (this formats it as an lvm physical volume) |
| 06:03.18 | jair | all right |
| 06:03.21 | jair | i will do that |
| 06:03.21 | geo-rge | so you're experimenting? |
| 06:03.27 | jair | haha yep |
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| 06:03.38 | geo-rge | (I remember you said 50g) |
| 06:03.49 | geo-rge | I have a 100g pv |
| 06:04.41 | TheCamper | Is anyone available to help who knows what my problem is? I'm getting a weird error after Grub on boot. RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 8388608, RAMDISK: ran out of compressed data, invalid compressed format (err=1), VFS: Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block (0,0), Please append a correct "root=" boot optoin, Kernal panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 06:04.55 | geo-rge | yeah, give it a shot... you will get lvs that have names like /dev/volgroup/vol |
| 06:05.15 | telmich | TheCamper: are you sure your ramdisk-image is ok? |
| 06:05.17 | Kevin` | TheCamper your initrd looks invalid |
| 06:05.49 | jair | geo-rge: but I want to create more that one pv |
| 06:05.58 | jair | geo-rge: so i will create five |
| 06:06.00 | TheCamper | telmich: Kevin: I have no idea how to tell if my ramdisk-image is ok, or what an initrd is or does. I'm a bit of a noob. |
| 06:06.10 | jair | pv and add them all in a vg |
| 06:06.23 | geo-rge | I have /dev/samsung-drive/home, /dev/samsung-drive/var, /dev/samsung-drive/usr, /dev/samsung-drive/usrsrc, /dev/samsung-drive/usrlocal |
| 06:06.45 | telmich | TheCamper: how / why did you install grub? |
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| 06:06.54 | geo-rge | and another one too, /dev/samsung-drive/acsweb |
| 06:07.07 | TheCamper | telmich Kevin': I read that my ramdisk size might be too small, so I added "ramdisk_size=8192" to the grub boot thingie like the internet told me to. didn't fix the problem. |
| 06:07.07 | jair | then play with them expand them, but i will install things on it and use files and expand and shrik the file systems even when i am using it to see how it behave. |
| 06:07.21 | geo-rge | cool :) |
| 06:07.21 | TheCamper | telmich I've always had grub. This problem started after I apt-get updated and rebooted. |
| 06:07.48 | geo-rge | TheCamper: I suspect you ran out of disk space during the apt-get process |
| 06:08.04 | geo-rge | at exactly the -wrong- time! :) |
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| 06:08.27 | TheCamper | geo-rge: I read on the debian mailing list that this was a bug, but nowhere was I pointed to a fix. |
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| 06:08.55 | TheCamper | geo-rge: there are several fixes on the internet that I've found, none of them work, or I have no idea what is being talked about. |
| 06:09.07 | geo-rge | oh, ok... is there a bug number? you could read the report... also see bugs.debian.org/put-package-name-here |
| 06:09.34 | geo-rge | TheCamper: debian has a bug tracking system |
| 06:09.42 | pickcoder | this is strange |
| 06:09.49 | telmich | TheCamper: which error did you get before? |
| 06:09.50 | geo-rge | okm |
| 06:09.56 | TheCamper | geo-rge: I'll see if I can find the bug number |
| 06:10.03 | geo-rge | TheCamper: debian has a strange bug tracking system :) |
| 06:10.21 | geo-rge | TheCamper: you'll see all bugs for a particular package |
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| 06:10.31 | geo-rge | if you do |
| 06:10.43 | geo-rge | bugs.debian.org/put-package-name-here |
| 06:11.02 | streuner | geo-rge: what's strange about? |
| 06:11.09 | geo-rge | I'm kidding :) |
| 06:11.31 | geo-rge | streuner, |
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| 06:11.34 | geo-rge | geo-rge TheCamper: debian has a bug tracking system |
| 06:11.34 | geo-rge | pickcoder this is strange |
| 06:12.03 | TheCamper | geo-rge: found it. http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/08/msg00250.html |
| 06:12.16 | TheCamper | This bug isn't for one specific package. |
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| 06:13.12 | geo-rge | TheCamper: so you're runnign 2.6.15? |
| 06:13.33 | pickcoder | udev again |
| 06:13.36 | pickcoder | grrr |
| 06:13.46 | TheCamper | geo-rge what do I type in to command line to find out what I'm running? (I'm booted into slax and chrooted to my root directory) |
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| 06:13.53 | pickcoder | the device IDs are backwards in the persistent-net.rules |
| 06:13.59 | pickcoder | brb |
| 06:14.03 | geo-rge | TheCamper: try uname -a |
| 06:14.18 | geo-rge | but you'll then see your slack kernel version |
| 06:14.35 | DavidProck1982 | what does "No precompiled kernel interface" mean?, and how can i fix it? |
| 06:14.53 | streuner | DavidProck1982: cat /proc/version |
| 06:15.27 | TheCamper | geo-rge: even when I'm chrooted? it says 2.6.16 |
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| 06:15.42 | DavidProck1982 | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 06:15.52 | TheCamper | geo-rge: tell you what, I'll go to grub and see what it says in my boot selection. |
| 06:15.52 | streuner | that's not the whole output |
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| 06:16.03 | DavidProck1982 | gcc version 4.1.2 |
| 06:16.17 | streuner | give us the whole output |
| 06:16.23 | geo-rge | http://drummerworld.com/drummers/Terry_Lyne_Carrington.html <-- cuuute drummer! |
| 06:16.35 | DavidProck1982 | debian 4.1.1-13 |
| 06:16.45 | geo-rge | TheCamper: ok sounds good |
| 06:16.54 | streuner | Linux version 2.6.17-2-k7 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 17:18:46 UTC 2006 |
| 06:17.04 | numk | heh |
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| 06:17.14 | streuner | that's the WHOLE output, usually :-) |
| 06:17.19 | geo-rge | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaldi! |
| 06:17.36 | streuner | DavidProck1982: /exec -o cat /proc/version |
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| 06:17.49 | Guerin | geo-rge: step away from the bong |
| 06:17.52 | TheCamper | geo-rge: hmm. my grub boot line says 2.6.15-1-k7 |
| 06:18.05 | DavidProck1982 | it is on a different pc that cant run a gui at the oment |
| 06:18.05 | geo-rge | ohno... you're teaching him /exec -o |
| 06:18.23 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: irc is better without a gui anyway |
| 06:18.28 | geo-rge | TheCamper: the one that's presently selected? are there others? |
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| 06:18.52 | DavidProck1982 | give me abour 5 min. and ill type it all up LOL aahhhhhhh |
| 06:19.00 | DavidProck1982 | about* |
| 06:19.07 | TheCamper | geo-rge: my only other options are the same thing with recovery mode, and Windows. |
| 06:19.20 | geo-rge | ohgood... he didn't get it :) |
| 06:19.24 | TheCamper | geo-rge: and no, recovery mode gives me the same errors. |
| 06:19.33 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: why do you need a kernel interface? What for? |
| 06:19.59 | geo-rge | TheCamper: ok... does the kernel panic or what? |
| 06:20.20 | geo-rge | oh, you can't load the initrd at boot |
| 06:20.26 | DavidProck1982 | to install the nVidia drivers that come from the site |
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| 06:20.34 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: you don't need them. |
| 06:20.41 | DavidProck1982 | Yes i do |
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| 06:20.49 | DavidProck1982 | just help me please |
| 06:20.54 | streuner | DavidW2: no |
| 06:20.56 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:20.59 | streuner | DavidProck1982: no |
| 06:21.15 | geo-rge | how parental :P |
| 06:21.15 | streuner | DavidProck1982: those stuff isn't part of debian, so we cannot help you |
| 06:21.16 | DavidProck1982 | the one-liner is a NO GO |
| 06:21.24 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: then nvidia is a no go. |
| 06:21.27 | stew | TheCamper: have you tried rebuilding your initrd? |
| 06:21.27 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: just use nv |
| 06:21.37 | TheCamper | geo-rge: This is the exact few lines before it hangs up: each line is separated by a comma. RAMDISK: incomplete write (-28 != 32768) 8388608, RAMDISK: ran out of compressed data, invalid compressed format (err=1), VFS: Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block (0,0), Please append a correct "root=" boot optoin, Kernal panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 06:21.44 | DavidProck1982 | nv dont work, cant start xserver |
| 06:21.47 | TheCamper | stew: I have no idea how to begin doing that |
| 06:21.58 | streuner | DavidProck1982: or 'nvidia-glx', if you haven't any other chance. |
| 06:22.05 | stew | TheCamper: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 06:22.07 | geo-rge | installing the .deb wont work? |
| 06:22.08 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: if nv doesn't work, nvidia won't either |
| 06:22.15 | DavidProck1982 | so u cant tell me how to get the kernel interface for debian |
| 06:22.16 | geo-rge | oh, cool |
| 06:22.25 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: the oneliner WORKS |
| 06:22.30 | TheCamper | stew: and what exactly does this do? |
| 06:22.35 | streuner | DavidProck1982: what does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 06:22.37 | stew | TheCamper: rebuilds the initrd |
| 06:22.45 | TheCamper | stew: so, nothing dangerous? |
| 06:23.18 | stew | TheCamper: since all it does it rebuilds the initrd and yours is currently unusable, definately not |
| 06:23.20 | geo-rge | that drummer is not just cute... she's badass |
| 06:23.34 | TheCamper | stew: ok, i'm booting up in slax to try this. |
| 06:23.34 | Guerin | geo-rge: tell #cutedrummers |
| 06:23.44 | geo-rge | TheCamper: hopefully it will solve your problem |
| 06:23.56 | streuner | DavidProck1982: so you are trying to install nvidia stuff on the remote box? |
| 06:24.10 | DavidProck1982 | please do not argue with me a have tried the one-liner 1001 ways / times, so will u gelp me get the kernel interface so i can make it 1002 times please |
| 06:24.57 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: no, because if nv won't work on your geforce, neither will the nvidia driver |
| 06:25.05 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: so there's no damn points |
| 06:25.18 | DavidProck1982 | will you just let me tri, i need the kernel interface |
| 06:25.25 | Guerin | be my guest |
| 06:25.31 | DavidProck1982 | kernel interface, HOW |
| 06:25.35 | Guerin | just don't bother #debian any more |
| 06:25.37 | Guerin | use the oneliner |
| 06:25.44 | Guerin | if it doesn't work, file bugs |
| 06:25.47 | DavidProck1982 | i did now what |
| 06:25.53 | stew | DavidProck1982: what is the kernel interface? |
| 06:25.59 | Guerin | stew: for the nvidia driver |
| 06:26.04 | DavidProck1982 | how do i find out |
| 06:26.14 | geo-rge | stew: he's getting some err msg that mentions it |
| 06:26.15 | Guerin | !tell DavidProck1982 about bts |
| 06:26.18 | stew | Guerin: what is the kernel interface for the nvidia oneliner? |
| 06:26.26 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: it is probably so botched now that nothing will work. Try re-installing Etch and follow the nvidia one-liner |
| 06:26.30 | Guerin | stew: the module m-a builds |
| 06:26.36 | DavidProck1982 | so it can compile something |
| 06:26.42 | Guerin | if he's even running etch |
| 06:26.44 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: if you deviate from the steps, don't expect it to work |
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| 06:26.48 | geo-rge | maybe he needs the kernel headers |
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| 06:26.55 | Guerin | since previously he was running ubuntu, it's no wonder it won't work |
| 06:27.00 | Guerin | geo-rge: m-a does all that for you |
| 06:27.01 | stew | DavidProck1982: was "m-a prepare" sucessful? |
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| 06:27.29 | Guerin | wait ... he's making up an answer |
| 06:27.48 | DavidProck1982 | i NEVER ran Ubuntu , enless debian cd installs ubuntu LOL |
| 06:28.08 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: whatever you say, pal, the evidence says otherwise. |
| 06:28.25 | DavidProck1982 | lol |
| 06:28.35 | geo-rge | DavidProck1982: stew has a question for you... what's the answer? |
| 06:28.44 | DavidProck1982 | pne sec |
| 06:29.07 | DavidProck1982 | ya that worked |
| 06:29.12 | DavidProck1982 | n o error |
| 06:29.34 | DavidProck1982 | have done that before off the one-liner |
| 06:29.49 | Guerin | now do the next part of the one-liner |
| 06:30.04 | stew | DavidProck1982: what command are you running when you get an error about the "kernel interface"? |
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| 06:30.36 | DavidProck1982 | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7184-pkg1.run |
| 06:30.49 | DavidProck1982 | stew: sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7184-pkg1.run |
| 06:31.17 | Guerin | where the FUCK is that in the one-liner? |
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| 06:31.57 | TheCamper | stew: ok, it won't work because i'm chrooted and not actually in my real system, because I can't boot into my real system. I get the error: "Could not find image(/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-1-k7)". It's because while chrooted, my /boot is actually my /mnt/hda1 |
| 06:32.01 | streuner | Guerin: pointless... |
| 06:32.24 | stew | TheCamper: "mount /boot" in the chroot, you'll also want to "mount /proc ; /mount sys" |
| 06:32.40 | DavidProck1982 | it is not the one liner , The one liner dont work cause it cant get some stuff so i got the driver from the site |
| 06:32.57 | DavidProck1982 | Guerin: |
| 06:33.03 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: this is the problem: you do things haldf-arsedly |
| 06:33.12 | stew | DavidProck1982: if the problem is with the nvidia software we are going to be able to help you with that |
| 06:33.15 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: stick to one method and troubleshoot it rationally |
| 06:33.23 | DavidProck1982 | LOOK i follow the one-liner 100% |
| 06:33.23 | geo-rge | one-cheek wonder? |
| 06:33.29 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: work through the one-liner. WHAT COMMAND does it fail on and HOW? |
| 06:33.35 | stew | DavidProck1982: if you could be more specific than "can't get some stuff" then maybe someone could help |
| 06:34.07 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: perhaps you should consider something simpler than etch... |
| 06:34.17 | Guerin | it's clearly too fucking complicated |
| 06:34.36 | Guerin | and in any case, if X won't work with nv, it's unlikely to do so with nvidia either |
| 06:34.39 | DavidProck1982 | ok i will NOW work through it step by step and tell you where it messes up , OK, for the 3rd time, we been through this before |
| 06:34.44 | streuner | DavidProck1982: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
| 06:34.50 | DavidProck1982 | YES |
| 06:34.57 | geo-rge | and contrib? |
| 06:34.57 | DavidProck1982 | streuner: Yes |
| 06:35.00 | DavidProck1982 | yes |
| 06:35.03 | stew | DavidProck1982: or don't, and try to see if you can get nvidia to help you with their software |
| 06:35.23 | DavidProck1982 | how |
| 06:35.25 | stew | (nvidia was removed from etch, right? did it ever get put back in?) |
| 06:35.26 | geo-rge | ooh! if he succeeds, that will be good for the community! |
| 06:35.36 | Guerin | stew: oh, it was? |
| 06:35.42 | streuner | geo-rge: well :-) |
| 06:35.43 | Guerin | that would explain things |
| 06:35.50 | DavidProck1982 | u mean call them |
| 06:36.05 | Guerin | geo-rge: this guy would have trouble getting a beer fron the fridge, let along help from nvidia |
| 06:36.08 | geo-rge | yeah... and gud luk with that :) |
| 06:36.21 | stew | Guerin: it was removed like 6 months ago or something |
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| 06:36.30 | geo-rge | so far he's not saying much about what happens |
| 06:36.30 | Guerin | stew: that would explain matters |
| 06:36.39 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: revert to using nv |
| 06:36.46 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: please do just as I ask |
| 06:36.50 | stew | !etch nvidia |
| 06:36.51 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 06:37.14 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: put the contents of lspci on paster |
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| 06:37.32 | geo-rge | xorg 7 in backports? |
| 06:37.40 | streuner | yes |
| 06:37.44 | valdyn | its in etch now anyway |
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| 06:37.58 | DavidProck1982 | im not used to doing all that stuff on the web woth out a gui |
| 06:38.19 | TheCamper | stew: IT WORKED!!!! First I got an error about not enough space on something, so I deleted some old kernel files I found in /boot, ran dpkg-reconfigure again, and it worked. Now, in the interest of learning, could you explain to me exactly what I did? As in...what is initrd and what does it do? |
| 06:38.20 | ThomasPorter | Hey all.. If I plugged a modem into my debian box, how would I configure the PPPOE connection? Is this a valid example: ifconfig eth0 this.is.mystatic.ipaddress up netmask 255.255.255.0 route add default gw this.isalso.mystatic.ipaddress dev eth0 |
| 06:38.21 | DavidProck1982 | dpkg: i try that to the best i could |
| 06:38.24 | streuner | DavidProck1982: so, can you tell us what videocard you have? |
| 06:38.36 | Ilovemypuppy | after I install gcc 3.4 how do i switch my system over to it? |
| 06:38.36 | Guerin | !pastewithoutx |
| 06:38.36 | dpkg | well, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 06:38.40 | stew | !initrd |
| 06:38.41 | Guerin | streuner: geforce4 |
| 06:38.41 | dpkg | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 06:38.48 | stew | hrm |
| 06:38.50 | streuner | Guerin: hm |
| 06:38.55 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: see above for how to paste things when not using X |
| 06:38.56 | ThomasPorter | !ipconfig ThomasPorter |
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| 06:38.57 | TheCamper | geo-rge: thank you so much, it's working now |
| 06:39.00 | ThomasPorter | !ipconfig |
| 06:39.04 | DavidProck1982 | ya one sec and ill tell the video card streuner: |
| 06:39.07 | geo-rge | DavidProck1982: at least you're working towards getting a gui... at the same time, most of the real power of linux is in the shell |
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| 06:39.50 | ThomasPorter | Poo. |
| 06:39.51 | stew | TheCamper: initrd is an "initial ram disk" its a way for the boot loader to load a small root image that contains all of the kernel modules that your machine needs for booting, namely the drivers for your hard disk controller and your filesystem so that the kernel can mount your / partition and continue to boot normally |
| 06:39.53 | geo-rge | TheCamper: cool :) you planning on upgrading the kernel? |
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| 06:40.28 | TheCamper | dpkg: thanks |
| 06:40.28 | dpkg | de nada, TheCamper |
| 06:40.30 | TheCamper | stew: thanks |
| 06:40.31 | DavidProck1982 | this is not my computor that im working on, its for a friend and he knows way less than i do in linux so he WILL NEED A GUI |
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| 06:40.44 | Guerin | is it possible to know less? |
| 06:40.45 | stew | DavidProck1982: then he should probably be running stable |
| 06:40.46 | TheCamper | geo-rge: lol, heck no. every time I try to do that I break things. I think i'm fine where I am. |
| 06:40.47 | setuid_w00t | Is there a known problem in unstable right now that causes fonts to look really ugly? I updated today and I'm having problems now. |
| 06:40.55 | Guerin | he should probably be running OSX |
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| 06:41.07 | ThomasPorter | DavidProck1982: Grome! |
| 06:41.10 | stew | DavidProck1982: or ubuntu or something more end-user friendly |
| 06:41.16 | geo-rge | gromet? |
| 06:41.26 | ThomasPorter | **Gnome |
| 06:41.30 | geo-rge | oh :) |
| 06:41.35 | streuner | stew: stop that |
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| 06:41.52 | streuner | Stop telling people some other distro is user-friendly |
| 06:41.58 | DavidProck1982 | my video card is , one sec , im doing lspci.......... |
| 06:42.03 | geo-rge | why wouldmn |
| 06:42.09 | geo-rge | t it be? |
| 06:42.14 | Ilovemypuppy | how do i switch to gcc 3.4 on debian stable? |
| 06:42.14 | stew | streuner: why? |
| 06:42.27 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: is it installed? |
| 06:42.29 | ThomasPorter | Debians stable :S |
| 06:42.30 | Ilovemypuppy | yes |
| 06:42.32 | streuner | stew: because it isn't true |
| 06:42.48 | pickcoder | what would cause kmix to not show a mixer, while alsamixer works |
| 06:42.58 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: export CC and HOSTCC=gcc-3.4 |
| 06:43.03 | geo-rge | so all dists are less user-friendly than debian? |
| 06:43.07 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: or whatever the binaries are called |
| 06:43.18 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, export cc=gcc-3.4 ? |
| 06:43.21 | DavidProck1982 | NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 APG 8x (rev a2), now what |
| 06:43.36 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: no, that's not even remotely close to what I wrote |
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| 06:43.47 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, just export CC |
| 06:43.48 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: you can also invoke gcc with a switch to pick the version |
| 06:43.49 | Ilovemypuppy | ? |
| 06:43.56 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: that's the only video card on the system? There's no onboard? |
| 06:43.57 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, how do I do that? |
| 06:44.00 | streuner | geo-rge: "some distro is faster" and "some distro is user-friendly" |
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| 06:44.16 | DavidProck1982 | there is no on board, and that is the only card |
| 06:44.41 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: info gcc, look for "invoking" |
| 06:44.42 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: ok. run drxx (per the factoid). Paste the output to paster |
| 06:44.57 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: bah, wait |
| 06:45.02 | Guerin | run drxx, choose nv |
| 06:45.16 | Guerin | then try to startx, and paste THAT output to paster |
| 06:45.17 | DavidProck1982 | drxx is a invlaid command |
| 06:45.22 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, export CC and export HOSTCC=gcc-3.4 didnt work |
| 06:45.23 | Guerin | fuickinghell |
| 06:45.27 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 06:45.27 | stew | DavidProck1982: the nvidia one-liner won't work in etch. you'd have to do some additional stuff to pull packages from unstable, which i wouldn't recommend. i'd recommend sticking to the free drivers or to debian stable |
| 06:45.27 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 06:45.52 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: export CC=gcc-3.4 as well - but CHECK to see that's the actual binary name. |
| 06:46.03 | Guerin | christ, why are people so fucktarded? |
| 06:46.10 | stew | streuner: ubuntu is more user friendly for configuring x than debian testing. ubuntu would be a better choice over debian testing for someone less clueless than DavidProck1982 |
| 06:46.10 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, im sorry but thats way too vague to be of any help |
| 06:46.15 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, thank you |
| 06:46.25 | DavidProck1982 | what vr of debian will the one liner work in and ill put that one on it, stew:? |
| 06:46.32 | stew | DavidProck1982: stable |
| 06:46.38 | Guerin | grrr |
| 06:46.39 | DavidProck1982 | 3.1 |
| 06:46.43 | DavidProck1982 | ? |
| 06:46.50 | Guerin | about 48 hours ago I fucking told you to run stable |
| 06:46.52 | stew | DavidProck1982: yes |
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| 06:46.59 | pmv | hehe |
| 06:47.04 | DavidProck1982 | what about the 3.1r4 |
| 06:47.06 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: if you use gcc to build your own programs, at some point you're going to need to know the switches |
| 06:47.09 | stew | DavidProck1982: that is stable, yes |
| 06:47.13 | DavidProck1982 | i have that allready burned |
| 06:47.19 | geo-rge | maybe never all of them |
| 06:47.20 | pickcoder | DavidProck1982: the xserver-xorg-video-nv works fine |
| 06:47.20 | DavidProck1982 | ok thanks |
| 06:47.27 | streuner | stew: you HAVE to read man-pages, you should be able to read in order to use Linux. |
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| 06:47.42 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, do I need to log out afterwards or something? gcc -v still reports 3.3.5 |
| 06:47.43 | pickcoder | I don't understand why you are having such problems getting X to work on such an old NV card |
| 06:47.47 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, thanks anyhow. |
| 06:47.53 | stew | streuner: i don't agree |
| 06:47.55 | streuner | stew: and you have to solve problems in ANY OS's |
| 06:48.00 | DavidProck1982 | Br right back ok......... |
| 06:48.02 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: the CC and HOSTCC variables are used by make and such |
| 06:48.03 | pickcoder | I have 440s installed on many systems running Etch |
| 06:48.30 | streuner | stew: so you want tell me what people who went to ubuntu made better than before? |
| 06:48.30 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: not if you call gcc directly - if you want to do that you'll have to change the $(which gcc) symlink |
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| 06:48.54 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, alrighty |
| 06:48.54 | stew | streuner: i don't understand what you just said |
| 06:48.55 | pickcoder | can anyone tell me why kmix won't show a mixer if alsamixer works? |
| 06:49.15 | Guerin | pickcoder: because it's probably set to only talk to arts? |
| 06:49.19 | Guerin | pickcoder: at a guess |
| 06:49.27 | pickcoder | it's on auto |
| 06:49.31 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: does "cd /usr/bin ; ls gcc*" show the gcc you want |
| 06:49.38 | Guerin | pickcoder: that's likely the problem |
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| 06:50.31 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, its ok, I remade the symlink, thanks though |
| 06:50.48 | geo-rge | remade the symlink? with a different name? |
| 06:51.17 | geo-rge | which symlink? |
| 06:51.24 | Ilovemypuppy | thank for helping geo-rge |
| 06:51.31 | Guerin | geo-rge: $(which gcc) |
| 06:51.35 | Guerin | geo-rge: kuatbt |
| 06:51.35 | pmv | :-) |
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| 06:56.55 | streuner | but we were able to run X, but we needed to read stuff and try |
| 06:57.05 | DavidProck1982 | im going to install 3.1r4 , Shoule i use 2.4 or 2.6 kernel |
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| 06:57.14 | streuner | 2.6 |
| 06:57.16 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: 2.6 |
| 06:57.22 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 06:58.34 | streuner | if you aren't able to solve simple problems, you should run debian then |
| 06:58.58 | DavidProck1982 | i am running debian |
| 06:59.13 | pmv | haha |
| 06:59.17 | pmv | streuner: repeat that? :-p |
| 06:59.24 | pmv | or were you being sarcastic |
| 07:00.07 | streuner | pmv: you'll get in ANY distro problems... |
| 07:00.23 | streuner | pmv: and in ANY OS |
| 07:00.27 | geo-rge | indeed any os |
| 07:00.34 | Garo_ | is it possible to create AIX like mksysb -backups from a debian installation? |
| 07:00.40 | Guerin | ok, we'll just presume from now on that DavidProck1982 is indeed going to install sarge |
| 07:00.43 | geo-rge | yea, what you said :) |
| 07:00.55 | Ilovemypuppy | well, that kind of sucks, the kernel is compiled with gcc 3.3 and I need 3.4 to compile ndiswrapper, which of course isnt compatible with a kernel compiled in gcc 3.3 |
| 07:00.58 | pmv | streuner: hehh. okay. |
| 07:01.00 | Ilovemypuppy | so to hell with that, again |
| 07:01.09 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: so install gcc-3.4? |
| 07:01.13 | DavidProck1982 | YO what gets me is...... |
| 07:01.14 | pmv | just that that statement tickled me |
| 07:01.15 | pmv | ;-) |
| 07:01.15 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: that's the nature of kernels |
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| 07:01.27 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, im not going to rebuild my kernel and all of that just to see of ndiswrapper works |
| 07:01.29 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: so you'll have to rebuild kernel with gcc-3.4 I guess |
| 07:01.38 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, no I wont. |
| 07:01.41 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: you don't have to. Just install the right gcc |
| 07:01.53 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:01.54 | Ilovemypuppy | ndiswrapper wont build with 3.3. |
| 07:01.57 | Guerin | duh, i misread |
| 07:02.00 | Ilovemypuppy | its all good. |
| 07:02.06 | geo-rge | and kernel is compiled with 3.3 |
| 07:02.19 | geo-rge | therein lies the problem (if it is one) |
| 07:02.23 | Guerin | there are prebuilt kernels compiled with 3.4 |
| 07:02.27 | DavidProck1982 | the first time i installed debian i did not do any thing with the drivers as all, He used it for a while then it mess out of no where so i redo it as before and this time it dont do the same |
| 07:02.28 | Ilovemypuppy | yep, so no ndiswrapper for me. im not bothering. |
| 07:02.33 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, where? |
| 07:02.39 | DavidProck1982 | that is whats gets me |
| 07:02.52 | stew | DavidProck1982: do you need 3d support? |
| 07:02.58 | DavidProck1982 | ya |
| 07:03.01 | geo-rge | for? |
| 07:03.05 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: what version of debian are you running? |
| 07:03.12 | Ilovemypuppy | stable. |
| 07:03.14 | niru | hello all |
| 07:03.28 | Guerin | Ilovemypuppy: snapshot.debian.net, there may be some on backports.org |
| 07:03.37 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: are you running a debian stock kernel? |
| 07:03.53 | DavidProck1982 | yes i need 3D Support |
| 07:03.57 | geo-rge | niru: hi... so did you try substituting those status files? |
| 07:04.03 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: are you installing that? |
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| 07:04.09 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, yes |
| 07:04.11 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: stable? |
| 07:04.21 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 07:04.38 | niru | geo-rge:could you please type the same commands again |
| 07:04.45 | Ilovemypuppy | stew its kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 07:04.51 | DavidProck1982 | doing so now, have not got to point of no return yeat, why , you get an idea |
| 07:04.55 | niru | geo-rge:I was loggout because for system problem |
| 07:05.09 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: no. Proceed. |
| 07:05.13 | niru | any body trying with installable cd creation |
| 07:05.15 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
| 07:05.49 | geo-rge | niru: ok, you're going to first copy your live status file to a backup |
| 07:06.12 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: apt-get install ndiswrapper-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 07:06.15 | geo-rge | then copy what I'm guessing is the "last known good" status file to status |
| 07:06.28 | dartagnan32 | hello all |
| 07:06.33 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, doesnt work on my hardware. |
| 07:06.42 | Ilovemypuppy | not that version anyhow |
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| 07:06.55 | Ilovemypuppy | it can detect it but it can't activate the adapter |
| 07:07.12 | streuner | Did you read their wiki page about? |
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| 07:07.31 | geo-rge | niru, first do this: cp /var/lib/dpkg/status ~boss/status.backup |
| 07:07.51 | Ilovemypuppy | Guerin, http://snapshot.debian.net/package/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp how can I tell what gcc this was compiled with? |
| 07:08.07 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: 3.3 |
| 07:08.23 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, how can I tell that? |
| 07:08.29 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: by asking here |
| 07:08.49 | Ilovemypuppy | ok then. no ndiswrapper then |
| 07:08.50 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: or by booting it and running "cat /proc/version" |
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| 07:09.25 | streuner | Ilovemypuppy: or by grep the kernel itself for the gcc string |
| 07:09.37 | niru | yes did geo-rge |
| 07:09.46 | Ilovemypuppy | would be nice if they listed that on the website |
| 07:10.12 | Ilovemypuppy | testing uses 3.4 by default, doesnt it? |
| 07:10.19 | Ilovemypuppy | not that im going to try again |
| 07:10.20 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: no, 4.1 |
| 07:10.21 | Ilovemypuppy | just curious |
| 07:10.55 | geo-rge | what I can't understand is why a helpee is threatening helpers by saying "no, I won't help myself" and what's even more curious is that some helpers are influenced by that :) |
| 07:11.13 | Ilovemypuppy | ? |
| 07:12.07 | geo-rge | niru: ok, next: cp /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 07:12.09 | Ilovemypuppy | well its looking like ice cream time |
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| 07:12.29 | dorel__ | damn I forgot my account details to mentors.debian.net |
| 07:12.51 | geo-rge | leave em in your other coat? |
| 07:13.00 | stew | dorel__: ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 07:13.08 | dorel__ | ahh thanks |
| 07:14.07 | stew | niru: wait |
| 07:14.07 | niru | geo-rge:done |
| 07:14.10 | stew | niru: do you have an /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 07:14.17 | geo-rge | stew: he says no |
| 07:14.18 | niru | no stew |
| 07:14.20 | pmv | lol |
| 07:14.26 | pmv | we're still on this |
| 07:14.29 | stew | niru: an /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 07:14.31 | pmv | por niru |
| 07:14.33 | pmv | *poor even |
| 07:14.33 | geo-rge | AND we backed up the status file first |
| 07:14.47 | niru | stew:I have /etc/apt/preferences |
| 07:14.58 | niru | geo-rge:I have /etc/apt/preferences |
| 07:15.04 | geo-rge | I thought after all this you said you did not!! |
| 07:15.06 | niru | How come it was not comming earlier |
| 07:15.13 | stew | niru: put its contents into a pastebin |
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| 07:15.44 | stew | niru: and put your status.backup back to /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 07:16.08 | geo-rge | niru: you kept saying that what you didn't have is /etc/aptpreferences |
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| 07:16.57 | niru | geo-rge:no I gave /etc/apt/p <tab> many times but did not find |
| 07:17.12 | geo-rge | hmm, and suddenly it shows up |
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| 07:17.56 | geo-rge | niru: anything in it? |
| 07:18.04 | stew | niru: since preferences isn't an executable, it wouldn't be suprising if just /etc/apt/p<tab> did't complete anything |
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| 07:19.06 | geo-rge | niru: |
| 07:19.47 | geo-rge | ...lrx-driver-8.28.8# /etc/apt/p <tab> (nothing but a beep) |
| 07:20.01 | niru | stew:I see |
| 07:20.06 | geo-rge | ...lrx-driver-8.28.8# cat /etc/apt/p <tab> completes to preferences |
| 07:20.11 | niru | geo-rge:I am pasting it |
| 07:20.22 | geo-rge | so the file was there the whole time |
| 07:20.38 | geo-rge | that tab thing is smarter than it was |
| 07:20.41 | niru | geo-rge:I am sorry |
| 07:20.51 | geo-rge | not really your fault |
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| 07:21.13 | geo-rge | but telling us -how- you're doing things would be a good thing |
| 07:21.36 | pmv | haha |
| 07:22.15 | pmv | what's /etc/apt/preferences for? |
| 07:22.19 | pmv | I don't have that on my box |
| 07:22.22 | stew | pmv: man apt_preferences |
| 07:22.28 | geo-rge | pinning settings among others |
| 07:22.30 | pmv | so it's optional then |
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| 07:22.36 | pmv | I see |
| 07:22.57 | pmv | I learn something new every day |
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| 07:24.41 | stew | niru: if you ran "cp /var/lib/dpkg/status ~boss/status.backup" and later you ran "cp /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 /var/lib/dpkg/status", you should definately copy the original status file back with "cp ~boss/status.backup /var/lib/dpkg/status" before going any farther |
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| 07:27.38 | niru | http://pastebin.ca/268007 |
| 07:28.34 | geo-rge | top line should read: |
| 07:28.47 | geo-rge | Package: xserver-xorg-air-core |
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| 07:30.47 | indraveni | hello, i installed postfix mailserver |
| 07:31.05 | indraveni | but i am not having any command called mail |
| 07:31.10 | DavidProck1982 | im useing 3.1r0a cause for some reason the pc will not read my 3.1r4 cd's , act like there is a bad stop, i dont see one thow |
| 07:31.19 | indraveni | can some one tell me, which pacakge is responsible for generating this comamnd |
| 07:31.20 | indraveni | ? |
| 07:31.36 | stew | DavidProck1982: that's fine, you can just apt-get upgrade after the install and you'll be on 3.1r4 |
| 07:31.39 | geo-rge | niru: are you still there? |
| 07:31.47 | DavidProck1982 | ok cool |
| 07:32.07 | DavidProck1982 | later all |
| 07:32.11 | niru | geo-rge:yes |
| 07:32.21 | geo-rge | did you make that change? |
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| 07:33.46 | Readon | is there a channel for embedded debian? |
| 07:33.54 | niru | geo-rge:doing |
| 07:34.04 | geo-rge | embedebian? |
| 07:34.16 | Readon | sure |
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| 07:34.36 | geo-rge | isn't that just a specific app of debian? |
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| 07:35.16 | niru | yes I did that ling back geo-rge |
| 07:35.16 | stew | Readon: #emdebian on irc.debian.org |
| 07:35.31 | niru | stew:what nxt |
| 07:35.32 | stew | niru: did you copy your status file back? |
| 07:35.37 | niru | yes |
| 07:35.56 | stew | niru: try apt-get update |
| 07:36.18 | Readon | irc.debian.org is direct to here i think |
| 07:36.45 | stew | Readon: no, this is freenode.net irc.debian.org is a cname for irc.oftc.net |
| 07:36.46 | niru | stew:same error |
| 07:36.46 | geo-rge | Readon: no, not any more |
| 07:37.49 | Readon | ok, i will have a look at that server, thank you. |
| 07:38.03 | stew | niru: what does "head -1 /etc/apt/preferences" say? |
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| 07:38.55 | niru | stew:ckage: xserver-xorg-air-core |
| 07:39.04 | stew | niru: that should say Package, not ckage |
| 07:39.21 | niru | stew:is that the problem |
| 07:39.24 | stew | niru: yes |
| 07:39.35 | niru | I need to edit it stew |
| 07:39.38 | geo-rge | niru: I told you what that should read |
| 07:40.22 | niru | geo-rge:I have edited /etc/apt/preferences |
| 07:40.29 | niru | changed ckage to package |
| 07:40.32 | niru | Is that ok |
| 07:40.38 | niru | An dsaved it and exited |
| 07:40.44 | stew | niru: no, it needs to say Package, not package |
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| 07:41.02 | niru | stew:yes I gave Package |
| 07:41.08 | stew | niru: apt-get update |
| 07:41.30 | niru | stew:It is working ha ha ha |
| 07:41.33 | niru | :) |
| 07:41.38 | niru | thanks stew |
| 07:41.40 | niru | it works |
| 07:41.49 | niru | geo-rge:it works now |
| 07:42.15 | Shadur | ftp.debian.nl seems down. |
| 07:43.00 | niru | stew:are you there |
| 07:43.09 | stew | niru: ye |
| 07:44.32 | geo-rge | sheesh :P this should be a good lesson: (1) it's VERY hard to help when we cannot see your screen, so you really need to let us know EVERYTHING you're typing, and you might also check with someone before doing something |
| 07:44.34 | iLLf8d | anyone find a decent system for taking notes about computing tasks? I'm not really into wikis or blogs and I haven't found much of interest for taking procedural notes. Anyone found anything new or different for notes? |
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| 07:45.04 | geo-rge | (2) it's -extremely- frustrating for helpers when helpees don't respond quickly |
| 07:45.22 | niru | stew,geo-rge:thank you |
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| 07:45.29 | coywolf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.41 | geo-rge | currency? |
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| 07:46.28 | geo-rge | google for "Bill Gates Personal Wealth Clock" and take a look at what techniques are used |
| 07:46.42 | coywolf | geo-rge, yes |
| 07:46.44 | Readon | how would i get myself unbanned in irc.debian.org? |
| 07:47.22 | coywolf | geo-rge, what tool? |
| 07:47.34 | geo-rge | google and see :) |
| 07:47.44 | coywolf | is there a debian tool? geo-rge |
| 07:47.50 | coywolf | or gnu tool? |
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| 07:48.14 | geo-rge | have you read the article yet? seen it? |
| 07:48.53 | coywolf | ok |
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| 07:51.21 | geo-rge | what you'll find is the technique can be repurposed or applied using differing technologies |
| 07:51.51 | niru | stew:any idea on installable cd creation |
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| 07:52.16 | geo-rge | one thing you can do is learn to build debian-installer |
| 07:52.33 | karsten | Readon: Would depend on what you got banned for. |
| 07:52.40 | niru | geo-rge:that is already over in my office |
| 07:52.44 | geo-rge | but if you don't program in C, that's going to be a serious challenge |
| 07:52.47 | karsten | Readon: ... and I'd strongly encourage you not to do the same thing here. |
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| 07:53.09 | niru | And I need to create the same installable cd but with kde packages |
| 07:53.14 | Kuzavas | hello |
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| 07:53.53 | karsten | Readon: Your IP address doesn't look particularly good. You're on multiple abuse lists. May be you, may be someone hacked into the same IP. |
| 07:54.01 | Kuzavas | anybody here with amd64 ext3 fs corruption using recent kernels? |
| 07:54.09 | Readon | karsten, my server opened a proxy. |
| 07:54.18 | karsten | Kuzavas: Check LKML for that, IMO. |
| 07:54.23 | solid_liq | the debian install disc won't detect my sata hdd |
| 07:54.23 | karsten | Readon: Intentionally? |
| 07:54.35 | Readon | no, a internal |
| 07:54.35 | labanux | do debian 3r2 support intel pro 3945 wifi chipset? |
| 07:54.38 | karsten | solid_liq: Which install disk. |
| 07:54.46 | solid_liq | karsten: amd64 |
| 07:54.47 | stew | solid_liq: did you try the 2.6 kernel or only the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 07:55.00 | karsten | solid_liq: Which release? |
| 07:55.00 | pmv | labanux: that's more of a kernel module issue |
| 07:55.06 | solid_liq | it defaulted to 2.6 on amd64, Ididn't even have a 2.4 option |
| 07:55.10 | stew | solid_liq: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 07:55.10 | geo-rge | Readon: so you would have to close that proxy |
| 07:55.10 | pmv | if you're asking whether it's built in, that's a different story |
| 07:55.11 | Kuzavas | karsten, will look at it |
| 07:55.25 | solid_liq | it's with 2.6.8 |
| 07:55.27 | karsten | solid_liq: My suggestion: chroot / deboostrap install under Knoppix, if that detects it, and file a but on the installer. |
| 07:55.55 | solid_liq | karsten: I have an LVM on the hdd that I want to use, not wipe. Can I do that? |
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| 07:56.54 | geo-rge | solid_liq: try pvscan |
| 07:56.55 | solid_liq | karsten: I mean if I use the knoppix disc |
| 07:56.59 | karsten | solid_liq: I don't believe Knoppix supports LVM directly, last I checked it didn't. |
| 07:57.07 | solid_liq | hrm |
| 07:57.15 | geo-rge | ohh, that woud be a problem of course |
| 07:57.16 | Readon | geo-rge, my god, that is impossible. |
| 07:57.30 | karsten | solid_liq: Ideally you'd be able to install the support packages, however things got a little hairy at that point and we dropped the experiment. |
| 07:57.37 | karsten | solid_liq: This would have been about a year ago. |
| 07:57.48 | solid_liq | any other live cd's I might try to do that? |
| 07:57.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:57.53 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:57.59 | stew | solid_liq: why not use a debian installer with a newer kernel? |
| 07:58.13 | karsten | Readon: Sucks to be you. Sorry to hear about _your_ problem. |
| 07:58.15 | solid_liq | stew: that was 2.6.8, last stable release |
| 07:58.20 | geo-rge | Readon: so the IP you're using is not one connected to a linux machine under your control? |
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| 07:58.36 | karsten | geo-rge: He's coming out of China. |
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| 07:58.40 | stew | solid_liq: yeah, i know. why not try a debian installer with a newer kernel? |
| 07:58.49 | solid_liq | stew: so debian etch? |
| 07:58.52 | stew | solid_liq: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 07:59.02 | geo-rge | karsten: hmm, nothign to be done about that |
| 07:59.05 | zzswift | im running debian sarge...anybody had trouble changing skins in xmms? |
| 07:59.08 | karsten | geo-rge: AS4538 ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center |
| 07:59.31 | stew | zzswift: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 07:59.43 | karsten | Readon: Tell your school's admins that their incompetnence is getting you kicked off essential services. |
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| 07:59.48 | streuner | Readon: don't use proxies to connect to IRC, otherwise you'll get real problems. |
| 07:59.53 | karsten | Readon: ... and don't hold your breath. |
| 07:59.53 | solid_liq | stew: this is sarge |
| 08:00.00 | niru | stew:? |
| 08:00.06 | niru | geo-rge:? |
| 08:00.08 | geo-rge | karsten: they'll tienamen square him! |
| 08:00.20 | stew | solid_liq: yes, i know. i'm telling you to use a sarge installer with a newer kernel |
| 08:00.24 | solid_liq | where are the kernels stored on the install cd? |
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| 08:00.45 | stew | niru: the debian cd1 already has kde packages |
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| 08:01.12 | niru | stew:you mean debian-cd package |
| 08:01.26 | stew | niru: no, i don't. what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 08:01.27 | zzswift | stew...sorry what does that mean? |
| 08:01.42 | pmv | the actual cd |
| 08:01.47 | pmv | from the debian set |
| 08:01.47 | stew | dpkg: tell zzswift about bts |
| 08:02.04 | stew | niru: are you trying to customize a ubuntu cd or something? |
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| 08:02.32 | niru | stew:I want to have an installable cd with d-i and kde packages thats it |
| 08:02.40 | niru | I am following debian way |
| 08:02.42 | geo-rge | niru: those exist now |
| 08:03.07 | karsten | Readon: FYI, your IP's listed on spamcop, abuseat.org, njabl, sorbs.net, and spamhaus, and that's just the ones I checked. |
| 08:03.08 | stew | niru: what is wrong with debian's cd1? |
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| 08:03.36 | karsten | Readon: Basically you're stuck. I'm suprised freenode's letting you stay. |
| 08:03.38 | geo-rge | stew: note that he's presently using ubuntu |
| 08:03.50 | labanux | doe to it's instruction, i need to install ieee8** first, then continue with ipw3945 |
| 08:03.50 | solid_liq | stew: does a newer kernel exist on the sarge cd? |
| 08:04.03 | labanux | eee* succes installed, but ipw3945 can't be installed |
| 08:04.03 | niru | stew:I did not yet try with that |
| 08:04.04 | stew | solid_liq: no, you have to use the unofficial one i'm trying to point you to |
| 08:04.15 | niru | stew:how can I do that |
| 08:04.18 | niru | any url |
| 08:04.19 | stew | dpkg: tell solid_liq about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:04.24 | solid_liq | stew: I'm at a cli using a stupid irc client, so it's not showing me the message |
| 08:04.28 | stew | niru: debian.org, click on "getting debian" |
| 08:04.29 | karsten | Any good tools for monitoring NFS usage on Linux, client or server? |
| 08:04.40 | stew | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:04.40 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.18 is, like, if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 08:04.42 | stew | solid_liq: ^^ |
| 08:04.50 | stew | solid_liq: the link at the end |
| 08:05.00 | solid_liq | stew: ok, thanks |
| 08:05.26 | Readon | karsten, it is strange, i did not do anything bad. |
| 08:05.31 | solid_liq | stew: grr, no mouse support in the cli, I'll have to get into X and then get that link again |
| 08:05.32 | niru | stew:that is already existing cds |
| 08:05.35 | solid_liq | brb |
| 08:05.46 | niru | stew:I want to customize that to my needs |
| 08:06.31 | karsten | Readon: Um. What sort of system are you using, how many people are using it, and is it possible for any other systems to get the same IP? |
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| 08:07.03 | Gnea | Readon: how long have you had the IP? is it static? |
| 08:07.15 | solid_liq | ok |
| 08:07.16 | solid_liq | back |
| 08:07.22 | stew | niru: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify |
| 08:07.30 | karsten | Readon: You're more than welcome to look up your IP yourself: http://spamlinks.net/filter-dnsbl-lookup.htm |
| 08:07.41 | solid_liq | !tell solid_liq about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:07.51 | solid_liq | hmm, didn't work D: |
| 08:08.22 | solid_liq | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 08:08.23 | Readon | karsten, debian of course, i use this ip for one and half years. |
| 08:08.26 | stew | solid_liq: which irc client are you using? |
| 08:08.38 | solid_liq | stew: now I'm in konversation, I was in irssi |
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| 08:09.20 | solid_liq | stew: could I get that link one last time? :) |
| 08:09.34 | stew | solid_liq: in irssi, you would have had a red number at the bottom of the screen indicating you had a new window with activity, and ctrl-n / ctrl-p or alt-# or /win # would change windows |
| 08:09.44 | niru | stew:is that for kde and gnome both |
| 08:09.44 | zzswift | guess im going to be happy with the skin i got |
| 08:10.02 | stew | solid_liq: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
| 08:10.06 | solid_liq | stew: oh ok thanks, I normally use bitchx at the shell, but I didn't feel like installing it |
| 08:10.10 | solid_liq | stew: thanks! |
| 08:10.25 | stew | niru: that is instructions on modifying the debian cds |
| 08:10.37 | stew | niru: if you want a cd with gnome and kde, the first debian cd has both |
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| 08:11.16 | karsten | Readon: I'd say it's time for a very thorough system inspection or a reinstall. |
| 08:12.11 | Readon | karsten, do you mean that i could get hacked? |
| 08:12.35 | karsten | http://www.senderbase.org/search?searchString=218.194.60.208 |
| 08:12.41 | Gnea | Readon: if you haven't kept up on security updates and kernel patches, then yes, it's possible |
| 08:12.42 | karsten | Readon: All signs are that you *ARE* hacked. |
| 08:12.43 | stew | Readon: he means that you already got hacked |
| 08:13.01 | solid_liq | stew: hmm, the amd64 custom iso doesn't seem to be there anymore |
| 08:13.07 | karsten | Readon: Your email volume's up 495% over the past 24 hours according to Senderbase. |
| 08:13.53 | karsten | Readon: You're the only IP in your /24 that's sending spam. |
| 08:14.05 | streuner | haha |
| 08:14.11 | streuner | karsten: nice :-) |
| 08:14.31 | Gnea | brutality :) |
| 08:14.34 | karsten | Readon: ... or your /20 |
| 08:14.38 | streuner | reality |
| 08:15.11 | stew | solid_liq: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 08:15.22 | karsten | Readon: ... and the tied for biggest source in your /16. You're on a /13 SWIP. |
| 08:15.46 | karsten | Readon: CBL has most recent entry 3 hours 30 minutes ago. |
| 08:16.12 | karsten | Readon: SpamCop has you spamming within the past week: http://spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=218.194.60.208 |
| 08:16.18 | Readon | spam email? |
| 08:16.25 | karsten | Readon: Yes. |
| 08:16.28 | Guerin | Readon: is there another kind? |
| 08:16.31 | karsten | Readon: Your system is spamming. |
| 08:16.32 | solid_liq | stew: awesome, thanks, 1010 was replaced with 1015 apparently, and it has LVM too! :D |
| 08:16.35 | Gnea | karsten: he's playing dumb, he knows what he's doing. |
| 08:16.36 | karsten | Readon: You *ARE* the problem. |
| 08:17.01 | Guerin | !relay test |
| 08:17.03 | karsten | Readon: Pull the plug. Boot knoppix. Might be able to find the hack with chkrootkit, might not. |
| 08:17.07 | Guerin | !relaytest |
| 08:17.11 | Guerin | bah |
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| 08:17.15 | solid_liq | ah, and a link to get it from France instead of Japan, nice! |
| 08:17.28 | GNAM | attenzione nuovi drivers NVIDIA OUT! |
| 08:17.45 | cydork | !relaycheck |
| 08:17.46 | dpkg | methinks relaycheck is http://david.weekly.org/code/relaycheck.txt |
| 08:17.47 | Gnea | Readon: take that system and get it off of the internet right now. backup your configs and low-level format all of your hard drives and do a fresh install. |
| 08:17.48 | stew | !it |
| 08:17.48 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 08:18.07 | Guerin | Readon: telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org |
| 08:18.17 | karsten | Readon: More likely: back up any critical data, save your packages lists, wipe, reinstall. |
| 08:18.17 | Readon | i can uninstall the mail tools |
| 08:18.23 | Guerin | Readon: see if your MTA is set up as an open relay, or if it's something else |
| 08:18.27 | solid_liq | nice, I'm getting about 400k/s with that mirror, I only got 30k/s from the mirror I used earlier |
| 08:18.27 | Guerin | Readon: don't do so yet |
| 08:18.36 | Guerin | Readon: find out what the problem is |
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| 08:18.51 | streuner | http://ordb.org/submit/ to see if you are using an open relay :-) |
| 08:18.56 | karsten | Guerin: There's mixed modes to that. |
| 08:19.07 | Guerin | karsten: yes. |
| 08:19.11 | Gnea | Readon: you didn't read me: disconnect the system from the internet altogether, backup only the necessary files for configuration, *low-level format* the entire system and reinstall. |
| 08:19.28 | karsten | Guerin: Installing a secure system would help. Knowing what specifically attacked him (might not be what's running now) would be useful. But all traces may already be gone. |
| 08:19.29 | Gnea | Readon: that's the *ONLY* way that you can properly fix it. |
| 08:19.30 | Guerin | Gnea: what if he just has his mta set up badly? |
| 08:19.36 | Guerin | he might not be compromised at all |
| 08:19.44 | Readon | Gnea, i see it, but it is impossible now |
| 08:19.45 | stew | his ip doesn't answer on port 25 |
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| 08:19.49 | Gnea | Guerin: in a case such as this, better to be safe than sorry. |
| 08:19.51 | karsten | Guerin: ... or could be formail spam, or other stuff. |
| 08:19.52 | Guerin | this is what i aim to test |
| 08:20.09 | Guerin | karsten: Gnea: right, but it needs to be tested. |
| 08:20.10 | karsten | Readon: FYI I'm portscanning you. Probably slow as I'm across the ocean. |
| 08:20.24 | Guerin | Gnea: congratulations on getting your nick back, BTW |
| 08:20.32 | Gnea | Guerin: thanks :) |
| 08:20.33 | streuner | hehe |
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| 08:21.08 | Gnea | Guerin: well, the testing is up to you and Readon, but as far as I'm concerned, the system is beyond testing. |
| 08:21.28 | Guerin | Gnea: what information do you have to confirm that it's compromised, though? |
| 08:21.32 | Readon | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 08:21.34 | Readon | Connecting to 218.194.60.208 ... |
| 08:21.43 | Guerin | Readon: don't post output |
| 08:21.46 | Readon | it report that |
| 08:21.50 | geo-rge | ooh, telnet |
| 08:21.51 | Guerin | Readon: just tell us the result |
| 08:21.52 | Readon | three lines |
| 08:21.58 | karsten | Readon: Spams from your system, FYI: http://groups.google.com/groups?scoring=d&q=218.194.60.208+group:*abuse* |
| 08:22.01 | Guerin | Readon: yeah, it will give you more info later |
| 08:22.07 | Gnea | okay |
| 08:22.11 | Gnea | it's beer o'clock |
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| 08:22.39 | geo-rge | IT'S COOKIE O'CLOCK! |
| 08:22.46 | Readon | socket failed |
| 08:22.47 | geo-rge | oops, it's cookie oclock! |
| 08:22.58 | Gnea | geo-rge: that made no sense. |
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| 08:23.08 | Gnea | i'm out of cookies :P |
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| 08:23.25 | geo-rge | oh, in that case... it's store o'clock! |
| 08:23.31 | Gnea | lol |
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| 08:25.03 | pmv | haha |
| 08:25.23 | solid_liq | great, 2/3 of the way through downloading the iso, and the mirror dissapeared |
| 08:25.25 | Guerin | Readon: ok, you're hax0red |
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| 08:26.18 | Readon | Guerin,what does it mean? |
| 08:26.36 | Guerin | Readon: it means you need to reinstall from scratch, like they said |
| 08:26.37 | karsten | Readon: Your system has been compromised. Hacked. Someone else has root. |
| 08:26.38 | Gnea | Readon: it means you're *fucked* |
| 08:26.41 | streuner | Readon: scroll up, and read whtat Gnea told you |
| 08:26.51 | karsten | Readon: How old are you? |
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| 08:27.11 | Readon | my god |
| 08:27.42 | Gnea | Readon: seriously, do you wanna fix the whole problem or just a few symptoms? |
| 08:29.03 | karsten | Readon: Run 'netstat -pv' (as root) saving output. If you can portscan the box from another system, do, as this may show open ports. Save your system logs (if they're not already wiped). Figuring out how they got in is hard. |
| 08:29.10 | karsten | If you've got any remote user accounts, disable them. |
| 08:29.21 | karsten | Readon: And again: wipe and reinstall the system. |
| 08:29.26 | karsten | Readon: How old are you? |
| 08:29.27 | Guerin | p is for pwned |
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| 08:29.34 | SlayerXP | if you suspect a system has been compromised then you're only choice of action is to wipe the system, reinstall from trusted media and then selectively restore from your backups after auditing the contents |
| 08:29.47 | Readon | karsten, what's the matter? |
| 08:30.07 | karsten | Readon: You're coming across as a juvenile idiot, if you don't mind my saying so. |
| 08:30.20 | karsten | Readon: I'm trying to get a handle on where you're coming from. |
| 08:30.29 | Gnea | i TOLD you... this guy is a con-artist.. |
| 08:30.58 | Gnea | "duh, i wonder if i can get a bunch of geeks and nerds to do an internet security sweep on me..." |
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| 08:31.07 | karsten | RichiH: You around? |
| 08:31.18 | karsten | RichiH: Might want to put Readon on freenode's kline list as well. |
| 08:31.20 | Readon | it's right, many smtp server is connected |
| 08:31.53 | Gnea | Readon: what country do you live in? |
| 08:31.58 | Readon | china |
| 08:32.01 | karsten | Gnea: China or Taiwan. |
| 08:32.02 | Gnea | HEH. |
| 08:32.08 | Gnea | Readon: what town? |
| 08:32.16 | karsten | Readon: Most of your spam appears to be taiwanese, FWIW. |
| 08:32.17 | geo-rge | Readon: on the small chance you're legitimate, sorry that happened to you... other than that, the IP you're coming from is and should be banned... from everything... |
| 08:32.28 | karsten | Heavy on images. |
| 08:32.44 | karsten | Rolex spam. How ... passe. |
| 08:32.49 | karsten | http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin.net-abuse.sightings/browse_thread/thread/7a056589eb16867e/79ce92f0597ecd12?lnk=st&q=218.194.60.208+group%3A*abuse*&rnum=14#79ce92f0597ecd12 |
| 08:33.02 | solid_liq | lol |
| 08:33.15 | Readon | i want to kill the spamming process |
| 08:33.25 | karsten | Stock spam. |
| 08:33.29 | Gnea | Readon: listen, i'm not trying to be mean here, but seriously, chinese and koreans do not know how to secure a linux server worth a shit - both of you groups have the largest amount of spamming systems on the planet. |
| 08:33.36 | karsten | Readon: Shut down your system. |
| 08:33.53 | SlayerXP | shannon:~# geoiplookup 218.194.60.208 |
| 08:33.53 | SlayerXP | GeoIP Country Edition: CN, China |
| 08:33.53 | Gnea | Readon: but I and others would be more than willing to help you learn how to do it right. |
| 08:34.07 | SmallR2003 | Readon, my advice is to kill the spammer |
| 08:34.09 | karsten | !ops ban Readon suggesting he come back after he's cleaned his system. |
| 08:34.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: ban Readon suggesting he come back after he's cleaned his system. |
| 08:34.11 | Readon | Gnea thank you |
| 08:34.28 | Gnea | karsten: i'm not sure that's necessary... |
| 08:34.48 | Gnea | karsten: banning him at this point would only isolate the problem further. |
| 08:35.02 | karsten | Gnea: Well, might hammer home the point we're serious. |
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| 08:36.45 | Readon | i think the problem is from squid |
| 08:37.05 | Gnea | Readon: that might be part of it... |
| 08:37.06 | karsten | Gnea: The dude's been here for an hour failing to grasp the point. |
| 08:37.26 | Gnea | karsten: i don't expect english to be his first language. |
| 08:37.29 | karsten | Gnea: At some point you just make the problem his problem. |
| 08:37.47 | karsten | Gnea: I don't think that's his primary problem. |
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| 08:37.52 | Readon | i think some machine using my proxy is spaming |
| 08:38.04 | Guerin | Readon: don't think. |
| 08:38.07 | Gnea | Readon: so shut squid down |
| 08:38.11 | anilomkar | hi all, can anyone tell me how to open .chm files |
| 08:38.15 | Guerin | Readon: your MTA is behaving like an owned one. |
| 08:38.25 | streuner | anilomkar: /msg dpkg chm |
| 08:38.26 | karsten | anilomkar: 'file *.chm'. What's it say? |
| 08:38.28 | Guerin | Readon: just fucking kill it |
| 08:39.23 | Gnea | karsten: heh, well consider where they all learned how to run servers from |
| 08:40.04 | karsten | Gnea: IRC? |
| 08:40.25 | geo-rge | Readon: stop allowing anyone to use any features of your machine. |
| 08:40.34 | Gnea | obviously, nobody taught them proper, so they learned from the one and only source: teh internets. |
| 08:40.54 | Gnea | karsten: probably |
| 08:40.58 | geo-rge | there. done. problem solved one way or another; if he refuses permanently ban his IP |
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| 08:41.08 | karsten | Readon: So the basic story is I've passed on your situation to Freenode staff. You may or may not lose privs here real soon now. So I'd suggest you start learning real fast from the good folks here. Me, personally, I'm tired of this already, you've been told what to do. |
| 08:41.38 | karsten | Fucking idiots. |
| 08:41.47 | Gnea | Readon: and your lack of communication at this point only makes the situation worse. |
| 08:42.08 | Gnea | !beer karsten |
| 08:43.00 | Gnea | asshole. :P |
| 08:43.18 | karsten | Feh. Y'all are gettin' to know me too whell. |
| 08:43.22 | karsten | well, even. |
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| 08:43.34 | Gnea | that does it, no more beer for karsten |
| 08:43.57 | geo-rge | heah, from now on, we give him everclear! |
| 08:44.03 | Readon | karsten, ok, you did what you could. thank you. |
| 08:44.03 | pmv | :-p |
| 08:44.04 | reco | hi, is there away to apt-get install python2.4.2 on sarge stable? |
| 08:44.08 | geo-rge | that'll teach him... |
| 08:44.18 | karsten | !tell reco about backports |
| 08:44.23 | karsten | reco: Maybe. |
| 08:44.25 | Readon | Gnea, i have no idea about that. |
| 08:44.53 | reco | karsten: i could not find python2.4.2 in a backport ;( |
| 08:44.57 | geo-rge | Readon: to be honest we're not so sure of that |
| 08:45.03 | karsten | reco: Sucks to be you ;-) |
| 08:45.25 | geo-rge | reco: build it yourself then, if you need that |
| 08:45.31 | karsten | reco: You can always install source or tarball under /usr/local. Not sure if there's a debianlized package. Might ask #python |
| 08:45.54 | Readon | geo-rge, i just want to find the key point and i will not trap in it again. |
| 08:45.58 | reco | thanx guys |
| 08:46.02 | stew | karsten: Gnea: please refrain from name calling. use /ignore instead |
| 08:46.03 | reco | i appreciate! |
| 08:46.09 | anilomkar | My Windows partitions are not visible on my desktop what to do? |
| 08:46.16 | Guerin | stew: how clear is it he's a fucking retard? |
| 08:46.21 | Guerin | honestly |
| 08:46.25 | karsten | stew: Belt-and-suspenders. I did both ;-) |
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| 08:46.36 | stew | Guerin: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 08:46.44 | karsten | stew: Uncalled for. |
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| 08:46.53 | karsten | stew: You're banning the *wrong* damned guy. |
| 08:47.04 | pmv | anilomkar: you can xchm |
| 08:47.13 | solid_liq | anilomkar: rejoice |
| 08:47.32 | stew | karsten: i don't see what Readon did that would warrant a ban. |
| 08:48.09 | karsten | stew: Played complete idiot for over an hour now with a demonstrably hacked box, tons of net evidence. |
| 08:48.35 | karsten | !fable |
| 08:48.35 | dpkg | fable is probably http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
| 08:48.36 | geo-rge | Readon: I just gave it to you... don't let others use your machine in any way, shape or form |
| 08:48.44 | karsten | On Guerin's behalv |
| 08:48.45 | streuner | stupidness isn't a ban reason, insulting is. |
| 08:48.51 | karsten | behalf, even. |
| 08:49.06 | karsten | streuner: Harmful negligence is. |
| 08:49.14 | karsten | streuner: *Deliberate* harmful negligence. |
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| 08:49.34 | stew | karsten: he seems to be asking for help. pleease just drop it |
| 08:49.37 | Gnea | karsten: you know, it's bad enough that you're continuing on this tirade/rant. |
| 08:50.01 | karsten | pot::kettle |
| 08:50.22 | Gnea | and you're the spoon |
| 08:50.26 | stew | Gnea: drop it |
| 08:50.31 | Gnea | *thud* |
| 08:50.36 | karsten | stew: ... and doing his damndest to ignore all given him. |
| 08:50.46 | karsten | Ouch! |
| 08:50.58 | Gnea | Readon: so what MTA are you running? |
| 08:51.23 | karsten | So back to the reason I initially showed up: any ideas on NFS monitoring tools, client/server, under Linux? |
| 08:51.25 | RichiH | karsten: i will have a look, thanks |
| 08:51.31 | karsten | RichiH: Danke. |
| 08:51.37 | Readon | Gnea, i think i have killed it |
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| 08:52.07 | Gnea | Readon: that's cool. do you want to try and figure out how to fix it? |
| 08:52.36 | geo-rge | Gnea: did he succeed? |
| 08:52.49 | Gnea | geo-rge: NAFAICT |
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| 08:53.17 | geo-rge | one possibility, if he did succeed maybe he can connect to irc.debian.org |
| 08:53.26 | Gnea | geo-rge: he's going to need to fix the system properly, and then wait for the RBL's to slowly drop him from their lists, which will probably take weeks to months |
| 08:53.43 | Readon | Gnea, yes, i am finding some articles. |
| 08:54.09 | Gnea | Readon: okay. what mail server program were you running? sendmail? |
| 08:54.22 | Readon | Gnea, it is strange that many connection to smtp port established by squid proxy |
| 08:54.31 | SlayerXP | "fixing it" here will involve wiping the OS and starting again |
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| 08:54.42 | Gnea | Readon: it sounds like a remote script |
| 08:55.07 | Gnea | SlayerXP: i know, but that obviously is not going to happen anytime soon |
| 08:55.40 | Gnea | he has to figure out what the problems are and how to solve them while there's still a running system to look at |
| 08:55.41 | Readon | i am not using sendmail, i killed exim4 the mail agent |
| 08:55.54 | grizzly | any simnple gui tool to manage network(specify gateway,dns etc.) something like the tool in kubuntu's kcontrol |
| 08:56.20 | SlayerXP | grizzly: most people use a combination of bash and vi |
| 08:56.21 | pmv | grizzly: gnome-network-manager |
| 08:56.23 | Gnea | Readon: cool. there's a way with the debian config to make it so only localhost can relay - that might have been the key problem with squid, however |
| 08:56.29 | pmv | errr |
| 08:56.35 | pmv | gnome-network-preferences even |
| 08:56.42 | streuner | grizzly: interfaces is pretty easy, just /msg dpkg interfaces and read examples |
| 08:57.05 | grizzly | streuner: ok, will try |
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| 08:57.22 | grizzly | pmv: is that in the cd's(first three)? |
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| 08:57.49 | Guerin | stew: good work, sport. |
| 08:58.05 | streuner | Fix your own problems |
| 08:58.39 | streuner | Insulting people doesn't help to fix those. |
| 08:59.00 | karsten | http://www.securityfocus.com/advisories/8326 |
| 08:59.04 | solid_liq | I like squid-prefetch |
| 08:59.32 | pmv | grizzly: good question, I don't know exactly. anyone here know where to find an index of the debian package cds' contents? |
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| 09:00.03 | grizzly | pmv: I knew, but didn't bookmark it.. |
| 09:00.09 | pmv | hehe |
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| 09:00.33 | karsten | pmv: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 09:00.51 | cydork | !tell pmv -about which cd |
| 09:00.52 | karsten | pmv: ... in a meta sense. On the disks themselves. Or roughly the ordering of popcon. |
| 09:00.52 | Readon | Gnea, would i ban smtp connection? |
| 09:01.19 | pmv | does debteam publish a list? |
| 09:01.29 | Gnea | Readon: that would just solve a symptom |
| 09:01.43 | pmv | ahh |
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| 09:01.44 | pmv | never mind |
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| 09:02.11 | dondelelcaro | Readon: if your system has been compromised, you need to 1) unplug it from the network 2) back up your data 3) reinstall from known good media. |
| 09:02.15 | karsten | pmv: jigdo effectively answers your question as well. |
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| 09:02.24 | pmv | ah, neat |
| 09:02.25 | pmv | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.27 | dondelelcaro | Readon: doing anything else is a waste of time. |
| 09:02.33 | pmv | thanks, lol |
| 09:02.37 | Inkvisitor | what's a good daemon for updating dyndns ? |
| 09:02.43 | pmv | I've had people asking me that since the beginning of time :-)) |
| 09:02.55 | tarzeau | Inkvisitor: i use ezipupdate or something |
| 09:02.59 | karsten | pmv: ... though not necessarially in a form that's useful to you. I think it is. |
| 09:03.02 | cydork | pmv: did you check what dpkg messaged you.. |
| 09:03.06 | streuner | Inkvisitor: ddclient |
| 09:03.06 | karsten | Inkvisitor: apt-cache search dyndns |
| 09:03.12 | tarzeau | Inkvisitor: ez-ipupdate - client for most dynamic DNS services |
| 09:03.13 | pmv | cydork: I did, that's where I got the url |
| 09:03.17 | pmv | thanks |
| 09:03.24 | karsten | !tuesday |
| 09:03.25 | dpkg | methinks tuesday is soylent green day |
| 09:03.34 | karsten | Mmmm... Hungry.... |
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| 09:03.47 | loca|host | i did forget my root's password, added "single" in the kernel boot params and the system is showing : enter root's password for maintenance or Ctrl+d to continue, pressing that will go to init 2 and i have no chance to passwd root |
| 09:03.47 | pmv | doesn't have versions though |
| 09:03.49 | cydork | pmv: there are other sites for jigdo search use those.. |
| 09:03.54 | karsten | pmv: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 09:04.13 | karsten | pmv: ... search dialog there if you want a single package. |
| 09:04.14 | pmv | loca|host: yep. that box's admin knows what he's doing. |
| 09:04.20 | pmv | unless he's you, in which case |
| 09:04.26 | pmv | good luck remembering :-) |
| 09:04.44 | Readon | dondelelcaro, i am using a stable debian distribution, if i did not find the key point, clear & reinstall it still can't prevent hacking. |
| 09:04.48 | Gnea | loca|host: s#single#init=/bin/sh# |
| 09:04.48 | pmv | cydork, karsten, again thanks |
| 09:04.55 | geo-rge | !saturday |
| 09:04.55 | dpkg | it has been said that saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 09:04.56 | cydork | !tell loca|host -about ifrp |
| 09:05.09 | geo-rge | ok, that was stupid... |
| 09:05.12 | loca|host | pmv, how to enable such protection ? |
| 09:05.14 | geo-rge | !friday |
| 09:05.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 09:05.18 | dondelelcaro | Readon: we can deal with preventing hackers *after* the machine has been cleaned. |
| 09:05.25 | geo-rge | ok, that was stupid stupid... |
| 09:05.39 | tralala | geo-rge, stop spamming me please |
| 09:05.39 | pmv | haha |
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| 09:06.13 | streuner | Readon: there is no other way, sorry. |
| 09:06.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Are any of the vuln scanners any good? |
| 09:06.28 | geo-rge | what? you said you want more? /me drops a truck of spam on tralala... just like the commercial :) |
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| 09:06.59 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I haven't really played with any, so I don't know |
| 09:07.21 | dondelelcaro | karsten: in an ideal world, all of the known ones have been fixed in Debian... but that's not always the case. |
| 09:07.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Unfortunately, that seems to be the standard answer :-/ |
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| 09:07.57 | dondelelcaro | karsten: if they find something, good; but I figure negative answers from the vuln scanners are pretty much worthless. |
| 09:08.16 | Readon | dondelelcaro, ok, that would be done in future. |
| 09:08.16 | RichiH | Readon: did you send a ctcp request to numist twenty minutes ago or was that your rootkit? |
| 09:08.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Agreed WRT negatives. Positives may be worth looking at. |
| 09:08.22 | wintix | my mailserver replys "localhost.localdomain" to a HELO command. i tried to change it but the howto provided by the spam-listing-directory is somewhat confusing. how can i change that to my real domainname? i am using postfix and courier. |
| 09:08.48 | grizzly | http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic - debian equivalent? |
| 09:08.51 | geo-rge | Readon: well good... but not yet :) |
| 09:08.51 | Readon | RichiH, he is talking to me |
| 09:09.03 | grizzly | I just need 'standard' sources.list for sarge! |
| 09:09.21 | Readon | geo-rge, deadline is comming. |
| 09:09.26 | cydork | grizzly: use apt-setup |
| 09:09.29 | dondelelcaro | grizzly: there isn't one; apt-setup will generate it, as will any editor |
| 09:09.38 | grizzly | ok |
| 09:09.43 | geo-rge | I dunno what to say to that... |
| 09:10.18 | karsten | rats, raccess, nessus, tiger (?), checksecurity, debescan. |
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| 09:10.18 | stew | RichiH: his client sent me a CTCP AUTOPEER the first time i /msged him |
| 09:10.23 | streuner | fuck |
| 09:10.33 | geo-rge | what's autopeer |
| 09:10.36 | karsten | streuner: ? |
| 09:10.41 | streuner | What kind of game he plays with us? |
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| 09:11.03 | geo-rge | so you're now starting to believe he -is- gaming us |
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| 09:11.16 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: http://naim.n.ml.org/docs/CTCP.html |
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| 09:13.20 | Readon | is the problem from naim? |
| 09:13.31 | geo-rge | wow, some clients send <font (ctcp stuff)></font> |
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| 09:15.43 | mazzanet | Err http://http.us.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 09:15.43 | mazzanet | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:15.44 | mazzanet | :/ |
| 09:16.25 | geo-rge | perhaps there is a more detailed error message before that |
| 09:16.39 | mazzanet | bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; |
| 09:16.39 | mazzanet | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.49 | mazzanet | bzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 09:16.53 | mazzanet | *blink* |
| 09:17.02 | mazzanet | either way, it downloaded the diffs afterwards |
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| 09:17.38 | mazzanet | woah |
| 09:17.40 | mazzanet | big update |
| 09:17.40 | geo-rge | first... you're pasting many lines... that should go in a pastebin (like rafb.net/paste <-- for immediate future reference) |
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| 09:18.46 | geo-rge | also adding to that same thing is you're pressing enter too often (since "woah big update" could have been on one line) |
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| 09:19.24 | mazzanet | my bad |
| 09:20.42 | geo-rge | np :) maybe you didn't know before... note, that those two are fairly common ettiquet, and the idea of collecting information about a problem you're experiencing on a web page that you could hand to potential helpers is a pretty good idea |
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| 09:21.14 | dooglus | !unstable |
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| 09:21.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 09:21.23 | dooglus | !sid |
| 09:21.24 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 09:21.38 | solid_liq | ok, now the amd64 sarge 2.6.18 custom iso is hanging on my right after the hw detection stage |
| 09:21.46 | dooglus | !break |
| 09:21.47 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 09:22.19 | dooglus | there used to be a URL for the 'status of sid' URL in one of the factoids - anyone remember where? |
| 09:22.33 | dooglus | !sid faq |
| 09:22.33 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 09:22.34 | geo-rge | you could even format it... make it pretty... put questions you have at the top maybe with links to info below... make a flash movie "oshit, when I typed rf -rm /, my disk started going crazy!"... |
| 09:22.52 | karsten | dooglus: /msg the bots |
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| 09:23.16 | solid_liq | geo-rge: I've never hear of the rf command, what's it do? ;) |
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| 09:23.30 | solid_liq | ok, now the amd64 sarge 2.6.18 custom iso is hanging on my right after the hw detection stage |
| 09:23.33 | geo-rge | turns on the microwave! |
| 09:23.36 | iLLf8d | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.02 | tralala | solid_liq, what do you mean by "custom iso"? |
| 09:24.02 | karsten | solid_liq: You can configure the level of HW probing. Might want to find out how and disable stuff. |
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| 09:24.18 | geo-rge | what's happening on your left tho?! |
| 09:24.27 | solid_liq | tralala: the one I was told to get since the standard amd64 sarge disc doesn't recognize my sata hdd |
| 09:24.29 | iLLf8d | solid_liq, don't set it to anal it really smarts |
| 09:24.31 | Inkvisitor | ok I'll try ddclient first then |
| 09:24.38 | dooglus | !listkeys sid |
| 09:24.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sid' by key (15 of 114): #debian insaneinside ;; #debian quick etch/sid mix ;; #debian quick sid/sarge mix ;; _default marillat.sid ;; _default quick etch/sid mix ;; _default sid horror story ;; _default sid upgrade ;; fav sid b0rkage ;; quick sid/etch mix ;; sid evangelism ;; sid packages on potato ;; sidney ;; upside ;; upside your head ;; xorg sid. |
| 09:24.54 | iLLf8d | dooglus do it in a query window |
| 09:24.55 | iLLf8d | sheesh |
| 09:24.58 | tralala | dooglus, weren't you told to /msg the bot? |
| 09:25.06 | solid_liq | hmm, ok |
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| 09:25.16 | tralala | solid_liq, try acpi=off |
| 09:25.19 | solid_liq | or ask before loading each module? |
| 09:25.33 | solid_liq | tralala: when I tried that, the kernel panic'd :D |
| 09:25.34 | iLLf8d | dooglus, in other words type /query dpkg or /query apt first |
| 09:25.34 | geo-rge | dooglus: bot... make noizy noize in channel... bot knows message comes... bot no paste in channel |
| 09:25.50 | dooglus | !/query dpkg listkeys sid |
| 09:25.55 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:26.10 | geo-rge | not all at once :P |
| 09:26.12 | iLLf8d | dooglus, you should consider running windows |
| 09:26.13 | dooglus | doesn't work? |
| 09:26.18 | iLLf8d | dooglus, more your speed I think |
| 09:26.26 | dooglus | iLLf8d: heh |
| 09:26.27 | geo-rge | howbout !/query dpkg /help newusers |
| 09:26.29 | karsten | dooglus: / /msg dpkg foo |
| 09:26.43 | solid_liq | !reboot |
| 09:27.05 | tralala | solid_liq, what mobo? |
| 09:27.19 | geo-rge | dooglus, you should consider running windows scares small children and porn stars named jenna and joe |
| 09:27.31 | solid_liq | tralala: dunno, it's an HP a1250n amd athlon64 x2 |
| 09:27.44 | tralala | solid_liq, a laptop? |
| 09:27.46 | dooglus | !qotd167 |
| 09:27.47 | dpkg | i guess qotd167 is <dooglus> asg: the biggest package is linux-image-2.6.16-1-686. I don't do any image processing, so I think it's probably safe to remove that one. <asg> dooglus: that's the kernel |
| 09:27.48 | iLLf8d | maybe he needs a reboot |
| 09:27.51 | solid_liq | tralala: no, desktop |
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| 09:28.15 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 09:28.28 | geo-rge | Flamingo_Manipul: you mean downgrading? debian maints think that doing anything special to support downgrading is too much work |
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| 09:29.09 | Flamingo_Manipul | No, nothing that serious. Just an option that would set everything back exactly by one version. |
| 09:29.25 | karsten | Flamingo_Manipul: That's called backups. |
| 09:29.43 | geo-rge | there is something that will have similar effect... see above :") |
| 09:29.46 | ndowens | anyone know the exact date etch will be released, i know it's this month |
| 09:29.55 | geo-rge | sunday! |
| 09:30.12 | karsten | ndowens: Release Day! |
| 09:30.16 | geo-rge | oops, ! on wrong side |
| 09:30.21 | geo-rge | !sunday |
| 09:30.21 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 09:30.21 | blondie | ndowens: maybe next month, or the one after |
| 09:30.43 | solid_liq | tralala: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/genericDocument?docname=c00485646&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en&jumpid=reg_R1002_USEN |
| 09:30.43 | ndowens | according to the site it says december 2006 |
| 09:30.45 | Flamingo_Manipul | Well... nevermind... I just thought it would be funny if instead of being one of those people who was constantly updating, you could be going the other direction for the heck of it. |
| 09:30.52 | blondie | ndowens: url? |
| 09:30.56 | ndowens | hold |
| 09:31.05 | geo-rge | All Trolls Eve (they wear costumes and say "Trick or Spam!" |
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| 09:31.21 | ndowens | blondie: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
| 09:31.44 | stew | ndowens: nobody knows an exact release date. etch will be released when the RC bug count is zero. /msg dpkg wwer |
| 09:32.03 | geo-rge | Flamingo_Manipul: to the point where you first installed... oh, wait, there's a simple one for that too... mkfs :) |
| 09:32.17 | blondie | stew: but the website says december! :O |
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| 09:32.36 | Flamingo_Manipul | No, I mean like, |
| 09:32.41 | tralala | solid_liq, try an installer with a different kernel - http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 09:32.46 | Flamingo_Manipul | you could keep regressing until you got back to the first kernel. |
| 09:32.56 | geo-rge | 0.0.1 |
| 09:33.00 | Flamingo_Manipul | Yeah. |
| 09:33.02 | Flamingo_Manipul | There we go. |
| 09:33.06 | Flamingo_Manipul | That would be neat. |
| 09:33.08 | vlt | Hello, does anyone know how to place *one* page of a ps document multiple times on a size a4 page? I tried using using `psnup` but it seems that it expects a multipage doc as input. |
| 09:33.54 | geo-rge | and now we're back to 1991... Linus in Finland and there's still two towers in nyc... |
| 09:33.59 | solid_liq | tralala: I tried 1115 |
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| 09:34.07 | Flamingo_Manipul | Exactly... Nostalgia debian. |
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| 09:34.20 | Flamingo_Manipul | or... nostalgia unix, more or less |
| 09:34.24 | geo-rge | debian wasn't quite around then :) |
| 09:34.28 | Flamingo_Manipul | yeah |
| 09:34.38 | Malagmyr | I am running ntpd to sync the clock with a network time server. How can I make ntpd keep time more aggressively, that is, reduce the delay at which it will adjust the system time? |
| 09:34.45 | tralala | solid_liq, this is 2.6.19, not 2.6.18 |
| 09:34.58 | solid_liq | tralala: yeah I forgot, I just realized that |
| 09:34.58 | geo-rge | Malagmyr: you don't need to do that |
| 09:35.10 | solid_liq | tralala: I got that one because it supports LVM, and I need that |
| 09:35.21 | stew | tralala: he's trying to use amd64, for which kmuto doesn't have 2.6.19 images yet |
| 09:35.34 | geo-rge | Malagmyr: it actually adjusts the exact time the clock counts one second and it gets very accurate after awhile |
| 09:36.00 | geo-rge | besides... you really want to bother the public time servers like that? |
| 09:36.16 | tralala | stew, oh, right |
| 09:36.22 | solid_liq | tralala: wait, no, it is 2.6.18, amd64, 1115 on i386 is 2.6.19rc3 |
| 09:36.51 | tralala | solid_liq, well try 2.6.16 |
| 09:36.53 | Malagmyr | geo-rge: I most definately do. I'm trying to keep a virtual machine's clock accurate, but the clock seems to be going too fast or too slow depending on how much priority the machine gets on the host system. I need ntpd to react to these changes more quickly than it does now. It's not a public time server in that way, btw. It's my isp's time server, and they can go to hell. |
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| 09:37.03 | Inkvisitor | wait a minute. ntpdate remembers the drift and compensates? |
| 09:37.28 | geo-rge | Malagmyr: that sounds like something is seriously wrong... the clock is on a chip, independent of the processor |
| 09:37.41 | Malagmyr | geo-rge: not in a virtual machine, it isn't |
| 09:37.41 | ogamiitto | my machine only recognizes 3 gb of ram it has 4 gb installed an uname -a gives: Linux bellini 2.6.18 #2 SMP Fri Nov 24 13:51:05 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux, any clues? |
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| 09:37.54 | Malagmyr | geo-rge: nothing about that computer is physical |
| 09:38.16 | geo-rge | oh, that would explain why |
| 09:38.32 | geo-rge | maybe you need to run a local time server |
| 09:38.38 | geo-rge | on a separate machine |
| 09:38.42 | tralala | ogamiitto, custom kernel? |
| 09:38.47 | ogamiitto | yes |
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| 09:39.09 | ogamiitto | something with HIGHMEM i guess |
| 09:39.15 | geo-rge | maybe 1g is bad? |
| 09:39.37 | geo-rge | you could run a ram checker on your installed ram |
| 09:39.57 | tralala | ogamiitto, use a debian kernel |
| 09:40.14 | DavidProck1982 | man i tried the 3.1 and that SHIT would not work, both the one-liner and the driver from the web site FAILED |
| 09:40.35 | DavidProck1982 | so im tring to put Suse 10. |
| 09:40.45 | DavidProck1982 | suse 10.1 on there |
| 09:40.55 | stew | DavidProck1982: in what way did they one-liner fail? |
| 09:41.04 | stew | DavidProck1982: did you add contrib and non-free to the sources? |
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| 09:41.13 | DavidProck1982 | cause i saw it talked about suse also on that site |
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| 09:41.31 | DavidProck1982 | yes i had the non-free |
| 09:41.32 | Inkvisitor | well maybe you should stick to debian ;) |
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| 09:41.45 | geo-rge | DavidProck1982, if you wrote up a report detailing everything you tried and for each, what happened and what you expected to happen, put it on a web site and post its url, someone might be with you shortly |
| 09:41.45 | stew | DavidProck1982: did you have contrib? |
| 09:41.57 | stew | geo-rge: /msg dpkg etch nvidia |
| 09:41.59 | Malagmyr | Any idea what one of these mean? "kernel: set_rtc_mmss: can't update from 12 to 59" |
| 09:42.05 | DavidProck1982 | yeas contrib |
| 09:42.32 | stew | DavidProck1982: at what point did you fail in the one-liner? |
| 09:42.32 | geo-rge | me get frustrated with helping this guy?? -NO-. |
| 09:42.58 | DavidProck1982 | the one liner could not get certin stuff but it tried its best to compile it, it seam like it did and it did the same as last time |
| 09:43.07 | DavidProck1982 | BRB Bath Room |
| 09:43.13 | stew | DavidProck1982: what stuff is "certin stuff"? |
| 09:43.21 | stew | DavidProck1982: if you aren't more specific we won't be able to help you |
| 09:43.27 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 09:43.27 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 09:43.43 | Flamingo_Manipul | Yes, DavidPRock, you'll need to be more specific. Tell us more about what you'll be doing in there, |
| 09:44.14 | Ilovemypuppy | ok I got ndiswrapper running on testing |
| 09:44.22 | Ilovemypuppy | so far so good |
| 09:44.33 | geo-rge | what did you have to do to accomplish that? |
| 09:44.53 | Ilovemypuppy | im pretty sure the updated ndiswrapper did the trick |
| 09:44.58 | Ilovemypuppy | I set it up the same way |
| 09:45.14 | Ilovemypuppy | I havent messed with wpa yet |
| 09:45.25 | geo-rge | so probably the driver and the kernel were built with the same compiler |
| 09:45.26 | DavidProck1982 | debian is not on there any mode and i cant remember all that failed info |
| 09:45.38 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, irrelevant. |
| 09:45.42 | stew | DavidProck1982: do you have any debian related questions then? |
| 09:45.56 | DavidProck1982 | a statement |
| 09:46.14 | blondie | DavidProck1982 is stuck in the past |
| 09:46.15 | geo-rge | ok, here we go :P |
| 09:46.19 | blondie | they didn't have linux in 1982 |
| 09:46.19 | stew | DavidProck1982: please keep it on-topic |
| 09:46.46 | DavidProck1982 | on BOTH Etch & Sarge it did Exzactly the Same Stuff, as i have told u before when we was tring to work through it |
| 09:47.24 | Guerin | then you did something wrong |
| 09:47.24 | Guerin | very likely because you weren't actually following instructions |
| 09:47.24 | geo-rge | but you failed to tell us precisely what you were doing |
| 09:47.24 | DavidProck1982 | i would love to know what! |
| 09:47.25 | Inkvisitor | please learn how to ask intelligent questions :D |
| 09:47.38 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: don't let the door hit you where the lord split you. |
| 09:48.03 | solid_liq | okay, I have a better idea |
| 09:48.14 | DavidProck1982 | i have told u all the errors before , im tired of typeing them from the other machine, it would be different if i could copy and paste |
| 09:48.23 | solid_liq | how can I install debian into partitions I make myself from an already installed linux distro? |
| 09:48.29 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: wee told you plenty of times how to copy and paste on console |
| 09:48.32 | geo-rge | are/were they networked? |
| 09:48.32 | Inkvisitor | http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 09:48.39 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: but you failed to follow those instructions, too. |
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| 09:48.51 | DavidProck1982 | it looked all crazy i gave it a tri |
| 09:48.56 | stew | DavidProck1982: we can't help you without more specifics. telling us stuff like "it couldn't get certain stuff" isn't specific enough for us to help you. as i told you before, the one-liner isn't expected to work on a unmodified etch becuase some of the nvidia pacakges were removed from etch |
| 09:49.01 | Guerin | !try |
| 09:49.02 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 09:49.08 | stew | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 09:49.11 | geo-rge | oddya |
| 09:49.14 | Guerin | stew: redundant |
| 09:49.15 | telmich | DavidProck1982: read that url from Inkvisitor |
| 09:49.25 | solid_liq | !manual install |
| 09:49.35 | solid_liq | dpkg no like me |
| 09:49.36 | solid_liq | :D |
| 09:49.43 | solid_liq | how can I install debian into partitions I make myself from an already installed linux distro? |
| 09:49.44 | Guerin | solid_liq: use debootstrap |
| 09:49.47 | geo-rge | DavidProck1982: if your two machines were on a network, you could have sshed in |
| 09:49.51 | DavidProck1982 | when is debian going to get easyer |
| 09:49.52 | Guerin | solid_liq: stop fucking repeating |
| 09:49.52 | solid_liq | !debootstrap |
| 09:49.57 | solid_liq | sorry |
| 09:50.04 | DavidProck1982 | they r on a network |
| 09:50.05 | geo-rge | then you could have copy/pasted |
| 09:50.08 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: when people get less stupid |
| 09:50.26 | Guerin | solid_liq: http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
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| 09:51.05 | geo-rge | Guerin: you're going down mwilson's path... we should all rest some, we're getting seriously cranky |
| 09:51.16 | Guerin | geo-rge: you're wrong. |
| 09:51.19 | solid_liq | Guerin: sweet, thanks |
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| 09:51.36 | geo-rge | that's what mwilson would say too |
| 09:51.39 | solid_liq | I swear this house is haunted |
| 09:51.50 | geo-rge | in your case I'm guessing you're frustrated |
| 09:51.58 | solid_liq | I keep hearing noises like someone putting down the toilet seat or other odd things at random times |
| 09:52.00 | ndowens | heh the try thing is from star wars :p |
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| 09:52.09 | Guerin | DavidProck1982: the problem is not that debian was being difficult, the problem was that you didn't know what you were doing, and didn't bother actually following instructions properly |
| 09:52.23 | Guerin | geo-rge: please to not be psychoanalysing me. |
| 09:52.24 | geo-rge | ndowens: yeah, Adyo says it! |
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| 09:53.18 | geo-rge | Guerin: then please to not discourage people by suggesting they're intrinsically stupid |
| 09:53.38 | Guerin | geo-rge: I didn't suggest it, I stated it outright basted on *huge* amounts of evidence. |
| 09:53.45 | Guerin | based, not basted |
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| 09:54.10 | Guerin | geo-rge: AFTER trying repeatedly to help for HOURS |
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| 09:54.18 | geo-rge | yes, I was there |
| 09:54.20 | alex_t | hello |
| 09:54.33 | Guerin | geo-rge: this also is not the first time for this particular user |
| 09:54.35 | alex_t | i have a little problem with a package |
| 09:54.45 | alex_t | someone can help me ? |
| 09:55.00 | geo-rge | alex_t: ciallis makes larger packages! |
| 09:55.01 | Guerin | alex_t: details |
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| 09:55.22 | alex_t | i installed avg antivirus |
| 09:55.45 | Guerin | !enter |
| 09:55.45 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 09:55.49 | alex_t | and later i tried to uninstal bun i cant find the uninstall file |
| 09:55.58 | geo-rge | quickdraw! |
| 09:56.05 | Guerin | !nofp alex_t |
| 09:56.08 | alex_t | then i deleted each file of the program |
| 09:56.11 | Guerin | alex_t: talk to the people who make avg |
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| 09:56.55 | alex_t | and now aptitude, synaptic, ecc tell me that the package avg75lms is installed |
| 09:56.57 | geo-rge | alex_t: avg comes in a debian package, right? |
| 09:57.05 | alex_t | yes |
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| 09:57.08 | alex_t | deb |
| 09:57.19 | geo-rge | ok, dpkg --purge avg |
| 09:57.24 | alex_t | i installed it with gdebi |
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| 09:57.31 | Guerin | it won't work |
| 09:57.35 | Guerin | because he deleted the files |
| 09:57.37 | solid_liq | anyone know if the stock amd64 sarge kernel has xfs support statically linked in? |
| 09:57.48 | geo-rge | then he should install it again and then remove it |
| 09:58.08 | Guerin | solid_liq: none of the filesystems are static, iirc. They're all modules, which is why an initramfs or such is needed |
| 09:58.10 | alex_t | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/avgd not found. |
| 09:58.15 | alex_t | in fact |
| 09:58.23 | geo-rge | solid_liq: probably not |
| 09:58.24 | alex_t | i deleten manually that file :( |
| 09:58.26 | Guerin | alex_t: reainstall it then purge it |
| 09:58.34 | solid_liq | Guerin: oh ok, but the driver for xfs is in there, so I can make my root partition xfs? |
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| 09:58.35 | alex_t | :( |
| 09:58.44 | Guerin | alex_t: why would you delete something if you didn't know what it was for? |
| 09:58.50 | geo-rge | alex_t: did you apt-get it? |
| 09:58.54 | alex_t | aptitude tell me that the package is already installed !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:59.04 | alex_t | i cand uninstall it and i cant install it |
| 09:59.08 | Guerin | solid_liq: i believe /boot needs to be something else (like ext2/3), but root shoudl be fine |
| 09:59.13 | stew | alex_t: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst and put "exit 0" as the second line, then try removing it again |
| 09:59.23 | Guerin | alex_t: /msg dpkg force-confmiss |
| 09:59.27 | solid_liq | Guerin: I always make /boot ext2 anyway. Sweet, thanks! |
| 09:59.31 | alex_t | thank you all |
| 09:59.36 | alex_t | i try |
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| 10:00.54 | geo-rge | alex_t: look in /var/cache/apt/archives, do you see the .deb for avg there? |
| 10:01.49 | geo-rge | Guerin: iirc, that's a grub limitation |
| 10:02.02 | Guerin | geo-rge: yes, that's true, not a kernel thing. |
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| 10:02.38 | DavidProck1982 | well it was one hell of a joy ride / brain teazer / educational, its been fun (figure of speach) Later |
| 10:02.39 | geo-rge | they must be working on it... they do have an xfs stage1.5 |
| 10:03.17 | tralala | DavidProck1982, I hope suse 10 will work for you |
| 10:04.21 | DavidProck1982 | thanks, but i like debian better cause it solves depindcy problems better |
| 10:04.27 | alex_t | no, in /var/cache/apt/archives there isn't avg |
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| 10:04.57 | DavidProck1982 | dependicie |
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| 10:05.13 | Inkvisitor | dependency ? |
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| 10:05.23 | geo-rge | co. |
| 10:05.52 | DavidProck1982 | ya, i cant spell |
| 10:06.04 | streuner | depends. ? |
| 10:06.07 | Inkvisitor | yes. stick to debian. |
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| 10:06.22 | DavidProck1982 | i am on my machine |
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| 10:06.40 | Ilovemypuppy | ok so my next task is trying out WPA, i got wireless working with WEP128 |
| 10:06.43 | geo-rge | better get off it before you crush the case! |
| 10:06.45 | DavidProck1982 | but i cant one my friends cause of the video card |
| 10:07.04 | solid_liq | in debootstrap to ftp.debian.org/debian, I got: E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-amd64/Packages |
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| 10:07.23 | GreesMunky | does anyone know of open source xen tools to take a physical server and virtualise it without too much fiddling? |
| 10:07.33 | Ilovemypuppy | after that I have to figure out how to use ndiswrapper-source , -utils-1.9, and -common from testing on stable with backports |
| 10:07.35 | Gnea | !xen |
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| 10:07.37 | stew | solid_liq: there was no official release for amd64 in sarge, the current stable. /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 10:07.53 | GreesMunky | I thank you dpkg |
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| 10:07.58 | utrrrongeeb | Are there any commands that tell you which X window has focus? |
| 10:08.06 | solid_liq | !amd64 |
| 10:08.22 | solid_liq | stew: dpkg always seems to ignore me |
| 10:08.33 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 10:08.34 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 10:08.40 | geo-rge | utrrrongeeb: there are api calls that do that |
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| 10:09.14 | geo-rge | (think: it must be possible, otherwise how will it know which window to draw into) |
| 10:09.15 | utrrrongeeb | I was hoping to use Bash, as I know little C. |
| 10:09.16 | solid_liq | stew, Gnea: thanks |
| 10:09.48 | geo-rge | you do? little C is an interpreter written by Herbert Schildt |
| 10:10.02 | solid_liq | is etch too far away to practically debootstrap it? |
| 10:10.13 | streuner | no |
| 10:10.18 | streuner | its a general problem |
| 10:10.19 | jochen123 | Hi can someone tell me what this bounce message means? 1 mail will be forwareded to our exchange and to the external mail server. The mail to the external mail server cant be send and bounces back with this coded: 554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote Host what dows it mean? |
| 10:10.21 | geo-rge | ther's an installer for it you can try |
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| 10:11.19 | streuner | installer are much easier vs. debootstrap... |
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| 10:11.31 | geo-rge | it's rejecting the mail based on the mime type I guess |
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| 10:12.32 | geo-rge | looks like your ext server is trying to prevent spam |
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| 10:12.49 | geo-rge | that would be my last comment on the subject :) |
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| 10:13.18 | utrrrongeeb | geo-rge: I meant I know C very little. Would these API calls work through a C interpretor? |
| 10:13.30 | geo-rge | oh :) |
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| 10:13.57 | geo-rge | maybe... you'd have to type the interp in from the book (and debug it too) |
| 10:14.20 | geo-rge | but linking against libs is not a feature of the interpreter... |
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| 10:14.31 | jochen123 | geo-rge in the external mail server i have no log entrys its my local mail server who bounce the mail |
| 10:14.51 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 10:15.07 | geo-rge | now -that- would be my last comment on the subject :) |
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| 10:15.55 | geo-rge | utrrrongeeb: why exactly do you need to know which windo has focus? |
| 10:16.32 | DavidProck1982 | WOW Suse works with the monitor i did not have to tell it any thing about the video drivers WOW |
| 10:16.46 | stew | DavidProck1982: please keep it on-topic |
| 10:17.11 | geo-rge | in many windowing apps, a window "object" is told when it has focus |
| 10:17.25 | utrrrongeeb | geo-rge: I'm trying to make a daemon script that monitors whether anyone is playing video games. However, I want to make sure that the game has focus, as I frequently keep SuperTux running in a different VT. |
| 10:17.46 | DavidProck1982 | maby some one should break down suse and see what it does and put the pard about the monitor in to debian |
| 10:17.53 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: amazing how different the dumbed down distros are, isn't it? ;) |
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| 10:18.21 | Gnea | utrrrongeeb: use a window manager that allows stacking |
| 10:18.30 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: actually, use DPMI in your xorg.conf, and you shouldn't have a problem |
| 10:18.33 | DavidProck1982 | what u do mean, i dont understand what you are tring to say |
| 10:18.37 | stew | DavidProck1982: if you are talking about adding features to debian's installer to install non-free drivers from nvidia, it will never happen |
| 10:18.47 | utrrrongeeb | Gnea: I don't know what you mean. What WMs support it? |
| 10:18.57 | solid_liq | stew: he said monitor not video card |
| 10:18.59 | Gnea | utrrrongeeb: a lot of them... enlightenment is a good example |
| 10:19.16 | Gnea | DavidProck1982: sure, go for it. |
| 10:19.21 | DavidProck1982 | well i mean video card |
| 10:19.22 | utrrrongeeb | Gnea: Could you explain what stacking is? |
| 10:19.28 | solid_liq | stew: oh my fault, he also said video drivers |
| 10:19.55 | Gnea | utrrrongeeb: when you have a bunch of windows on the same screen, they tend to overlap each other - if you tell one window to "always be on top" then it will always be so |
| 10:20.03 | geo-rge | I guess suse has better hardware detection |
| 10:20.20 | Gnea | utrrrongeeb: also, your wm should give you the ability to change the type of focus the mouse pointer has over windows |
| 10:20.23 | geo-rge | or maybe it's just for that one case or a handful |
| 10:20.55 | Gnea | if it's sloppy focus, then whenever the mouse is over a window or has just 'touched it' it will have the focus - but it may not necessary be on top |
| 10:21.05 | utrrrongeeb | Gnea: I'm trying to find out which window currently receives keyboard events, has its titlebar highlighted, etc. |
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| 10:21.45 | Gnea | utrrrongeeb: enlightenment can tell you all of that simply by changing the colors of the titlebar |
| 10:22.17 | Gnea | right now, i can tell when it changes the font - it's brighter when it has the focus |
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| 10:22.48 | utrrrongeeb | Gnea: I meant that I wanted to find that out from a Bash script. Sorry for the confusion. |
| 10:22.58 | Gnea | utrrrongeeb: oh. good luck.. |
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| 10:24.06 | DavidProck1982 | solid_liq: you said use DPMI in your xorg.conf and shouldn't have a problem, Can you tell me more, if i can i will use debian over suse |
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| 10:24.29 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: I thought you were just talking about modelines for your monitor |
| 10:25.29 | DavidProck1982 | i went through hell to tri to get the video card to work on debian if all failed, do u know something i have not tried |
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| 10:27.44 | stew | DavidProck1982: exactly what error message did you get while doing the nvidia one-liner? |
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| 10:28.24 | geo-rge | my guess is he will refuse to say |
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| 10:29.03 | pmv | heh |
| 10:29.05 | DavidProck1982 | something about cant get / find some source to something , it gave me a head ake so i put it out of my mind |
| 10:30.29 | stew | DavidProck1982: if you can't tell us exactly what you did or exactly what error message you got, we can't help you |
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| 10:39.05 | solid_liq | anyone know what package base-config comes from? |
| 10:40.14 | stew | solid_liq: the base-config package, which only exists in stable, not in testing or unstable |
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| 10:40.56 | geo-rge | stew: what replaces it? |
| 10:41.00 | solid_liq | stew: ok, then do you know how I do the same thing with etch? |
| 10:41.01 | stew | geo-rge: nothing |
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| 10:41.20 | coywolf | when i apt-get update, i got |
| 10:41.24 | coywolf | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 10:41.24 | coywolf | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 10:41.30 | geo-rge | so what functionality did it provide that was needed, and how did it fit in? |
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| 10:41.33 | SlayerXP | coywolf: /topic |
| 10:42.04 | coywolf | SlackDeb, thanks |
| 10:42.09 | stew | solid_liq: you are using debootstrap? or the etch installer? |
| 10:42.19 | solid_liq | stew: debootstrap |
| 10:42.37 | geo-rge | and, the next question you can guess: how was debian changed to either move this functionality or make it unnecessary? |
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| 10:42.55 | stew | geo-rge: it all done in the installer before the first reboot now |
| 10:43.25 | geo-rge | I see |
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| 10:43.35 | stew | solid_liq: set /etc/hostname ; setup /etc/apt/sources.list ; edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:43.56 | solid_liq | stew: did all that already |
| 10:44.22 | stew | solid_liq: run tasksel or aptitude to start installing packages |
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| 10:44.29 | geo-rge | so, does that include setting up apt, setting root pw, adding user and pw? |
| 10:45.07 | geo-rge | and what happens first reboot? package stuff? |
| 10:45.13 | solid_liq | stew: ok sweet, thanks! |
| 10:45.15 | stew | geo-rge: nothing |
| 10:45.49 | geo-rge | so passwords -are- set before reboot, and it boots into a base system? |
| 10:46.00 | stew | geo-rge: yes |
| 10:46.18 | geo-rge | are nonbase packages installed beforehand as well? |
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| 10:48.49 | xored | is there a simple way to sync a folder, but exclude lets say foldertosync/dontsyncthis between 2 debian machines. Syncing should be quite rare |
| 10:49.04 | SlayerXP | xopher: rsync |
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| 10:50.32 | xored | SlayerXP: yes, but is there a way to exclude dirs ? maybe for starting, exclude a dir when tar-ing a dir, is this possible ? |
| 10:50.41 | DavidProck1982 | ok listen up, what im about to say is all about debian ok, ill mention suse but not talking directly about it........ |
| 10:51.32 | SlayerXP | xopher: yes. |
| 10:52.07 | niru | geo-rge:are you still there |
| 10:52.12 | geo-rge | DavidProck1982: it won't do anything |
| 10:52.23 | geo-rge | niru: briefly, yes |
| 10:53.14 | geo-rge | why do you ask? |
| 10:54.29 | DavidProck1982 | the first time i installed debian on my friends machine, his mouse was on the USB Port, and when...... |
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| 10:55.42 | Mike- | mmm |
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| 10:55.49 | DavidProck1982 | when i installed i use the expertgui option to install durring the install i never hade to do any thing with the video drivers and hid desktop came up...... |
| 10:56.43 | DavidProck1982 | the only reason i did get the drivers is because some games the FPS really sucked the i manige to fix it and the FPS was good...... |
| 10:56.53 | ndowens | DavidProck1982: what about waiting for etch with the gui installer to make the install easier? |
| 10:57.36 | Mike- | I installed etch tonight |
| 10:57.41 | Mike- | "net" |
| 10:57.44 | Mike- | all good |
| 10:57.47 | geo-rge | my guess is "I don't have to reinstall anything... things are working now" |
| 10:57.49 | xored | SlayerXP: what would be the syntax like ? |
| 10:58.17 | SlayerXP | xopher: "man rsync" |
| 10:58.31 | DavidProck1982 | now one day (the pc was off) his dad wanted to switch mouses, and that was the other port, the round one, Not the usb one any more..... |
| 10:59.13 | DavidProck1982 | and when he turn it on the xserver will not start....... |
| 10:59.26 | stew | !tell DavidProck1982 about enter |
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| 10:59.45 | stew | DavidProck1982: what is the error message? |
| 11:00.00 | DavidProck1982 | so he bring it back over and i do exzactly what i did before and all was a failer / no go...... |
| 11:00.02 | ndowens | DavidProck1982: x server needs to be reconfigured. X -configure will create a adjusted generic conf file |
| 11:00.05 | stew | DavidProck1982: no core pointer? |
| 11:00.25 | stew | ndowens: no |
| 11:00.27 | DavidProck1982 | and the only difference is the mouse port, now...... |
| 11:00.31 | stew | DavidProck1982: don't run X -configure |
| 11:00.40 | ogamiitto | does default debian kernel smp images support up to 4 gb of phisycal memory? |
| 11:00.55 | ndowens | stew i don't see why not |
| 11:00.56 | stew | ogamiitto: the 2.6 kernels, yes |
| 11:01.02 | Mike- | yes |
| 11:01.08 | ogamiitto | thanks stew |
| 11:01.23 | DavidProck1982 | when i install suse with the mouse in the round port it will not work and when i plug it in it worked |
| 11:01.24 | niru | geo-rge:you are from which place |
| 11:01.44 | geo-rge | the place I'm typing! |
| 11:01.53 | geo-rge | wait, no... |
| 11:02.06 | geo-rge | the place where my keyboard is! |
| 11:02.10 | stew | ndowens: becuase if anything he should dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; but most likely he is missing a module, and you didn't tell home about /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 11:02.23 | DavidProck1982 | SO does that mean the hole time i Really hade a problem with my mouse and Not the video card ?????????? |
| 11:02.33 | stew | DavidProck1982: what is the error message you are getting? "no core pointer"? |
| 11:02.36 | niru | geo-rge:ok which country.dont say where the keyboard is placed |
| 11:02.40 | niru | :) |
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| 11:02.47 | DavidProck1982 | never got a message like that |
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| 11:03.00 | geo-rge | I can't tell you the country! |
| 11:03.12 | stew | DavidProck1982: what is the error message you get when trying to start x? |
| 11:03.31 | geo-rge | If I did, I'd be telling you where the keyboard is placed! |
| 11:03.51 | geo-rge | I' |
| 11:03.57 | geo-rge | m in california |
| 11:04.06 | DavidProck1982 | im reinstalling debian with the mouse in the USB Port now and if that shit works im actually going to be pissed LOL |
| 11:04.10 | niru | oh |
| 11:04.22 | DavidProck1982 | but happy at the same time |
| 11:04.24 | stew | DavidProck1982: why on earth would you reinstall? |
| 11:04.39 | geo-rge | DavidProck1982: it's hardly our fault you pulled the ps2 mouse out |
| 11:04.51 | DavidProck1982 | cause i conclude that the real problem is with the mouse |
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| 11:05.01 | geo-rge | you'd have to be pissed at the guy that pulled the mouse out! |
| 11:05.15 | stew | DavidProck1982: you don't need to reinstall debian. what exactly is the error? |
| 11:05.21 | DavidProck1982 | no he swaped mouses with his dad and that is when all wrnd bad |
| 11:05.41 | DavidProck1982 | just could not start xserver |
| 11:06.08 | stew | DavidProck1982: what error do you get when you run "startx"? |
| 11:06.08 | geo-rge | couldn't see a mouse |
| 11:06.08 | Qshadowp | lol im trying to find a nice screen saver on kde |
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| 11:06.08 | Qshadowp | but they all run like they are on steroids or something |
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| 11:06.09 | DavidProck1982 | no other erroe besides stuff while tring to get the driver |
| 11:06.13 | geo-rge | Qshadowp: so that's good, right? |
| 11:06.25 | stew | DavidProck1982: what version of debian is this? |
| 11:06.26 | Qshadowp | well its good that my computers fast enough to run them that fast |
| 11:06.31 | geo-rge | or are you talking about the negative effects of steroids?! |
| 11:06.35 | Qshadowp | but it doesn't exactly look good as as screen saver lol |
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| 11:06.39 | Qshadowp | geo-rge yes :D |
| 11:06.40 | DavidProck1982 | etch |
| 11:06.52 | stew | DavidProck1982: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:07.01 | stew | DavidProck1982: tell us what you see. something about the pointer? |
| 11:07.17 | stew | DavidProck1982: can you upload that log to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php ? |
| 11:07.27 | geo-rge | niru: where is your keyboard? |
| 11:07.41 | geo-rge | "next to my mouse!" |
| 11:07.44 | DavidProck1982 | ohld on im in the middle of reinstalling if all goes well then take that as a lesson to really thing |
| 11:08.05 | stew | DavidProck1982: why are you reinstalling instead of just fixing your x configuration or loading the mouse driver? |
| 11:08.09 | DavidProck1982 | not not i formatted |
| 11:08.19 | niru | geo-rge:exactly above the table |
| 11:08.22 | geo-rge | stew: I think he was running suse... |
| 11:08.28 | niru | geo-rge:exactly and next to mouse |
| 11:08.57 | niru | geo-rge:and inside INDIA named house :) |
| 11:09.08 | niru | hows that geo-rge |
| 11:09.13 | cydork | tarzeau: ping |
| 11:09.16 | stew | DavidProck1982: do you have a debian related question? |
| 11:09.25 | geo-rge | I thought you might be from india |
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| 11:09.58 | niru | geo-rge:was that a joke |
| 11:10.05 | niru | geo-rge:I am from india |
| 11:10.06 | DavidProck1982 | yes im getting t oti / typeiing |
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| 11:10.34 | geo-rge | I saw someone from india connect here and your nicknames sounded a little similar |
| 11:10.59 | niru | oh |
| 11:11.02 | tarzeau | cydork: pong |
| 11:11.26 | geo-rge | niru: what do you use the linux for |
| 11:11.34 | cydork | tarzeau: gaia is back with nasa imagery :( |
| 11:11.42 | cydork | s/:(/:) |
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| 11:12.32 | tarzeau | cydork: wow :) |
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| 11:12.57 | tarzeau | cydork: i tried the nasa explorer and their image quality is partly not that good (i tried w/ satellite ones) |
| 11:13.01 | mage | !seen RvGate |
| 11:13.06 | dpkg | rvgate <n=rvgate-f@g178204.upc-g.chello.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11h 33m 47s ago, saying: 'im off to bed, cya all tom. at work :P'. |
| 11:13.31 | DavidProck1982 | suse got the monitor going but when the mouse was in the round port it would bot work, And before when i put Debian on there with the video drivers working, that one day his dad switch his mouse so he was not useing the usb any more he had to use the round port and that is when it all went down hill, But it took a install of Suse for me to see i hade a mouse problem and Not a video card problem, So im Reputting debian back on th |
| 11:13.54 | cydork | tarzeau: hmm i never tried it.. will try it now :) |
| 11:14.06 | rfrank | the.. round port |
| 11:14.08 | DavidProck1982 | and if it works this time it will prove my theroy |
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| 11:14.15 | rfrank | haha |
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| 11:14.21 | geo-rge | that would be port o |
| 11:14.26 | tarzeau | cydork: is there a nasa gaia tarball release yet? |
| 11:14.32 | ma3x | can I add a line of incoming.debian.org to sources.list? |
| 11:14.32 | DavidProck1982 | i think the round port is called ps/2 |
| 11:14.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: no |
| 11:14.44 | ma3x | tarzeau: why not |
| 11:14.46 | cydork | tarzeau: yep http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=183522 |
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| 11:14.53 | tarzeau | ma3x: because there's no Sources.gz and no Packages.gz ? |
| 11:14.53 | geo-rge | ma3x: not an aptable source |
| 11:15.06 | ma3x | ok |
| 11:15.25 | DavidProck1982 | but why the hell would changeing the mouse port stop the xserver from loading |
| 11:15.41 | geo-rge | DavidProck1982: xserver needs the mouse |
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| 11:15.44 | Ilovemypuppy | how do I read a .gx file? |
| 11:15.50 | rfrank | xserver won't start if it doesn't find the mouse |
| 11:15.51 | Ilovemypuppy | damnit a .gz file |
| 11:15.55 | stew | DavidProck1982: if you cannot tell us what errors you are getting we cannot help you |
| 11:15.57 | geo-rge | zless |
| 11:15.58 | rfrank | if its configured for usb changing the port confuses it |
| 11:16.01 | Ilovemypuppy | specifically /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 11:16.13 | geo-rge | zless Ilovemypuppy.gz |
| 11:16.25 | tarzeau | cydork: i'll try it |
| 11:16.38 | DavidProck1982 | if im correct i wont need any more help |
| 11:16.57 | stew | DavidProck1982: so when you couldn't get x to start last time it was suse with the problem? |
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| 11:17.13 | DavidProck1982 | No suse got me thinking |
| 11:17.21 | geo-rge | unfortunately your ps/2 mouse port might be damaged... |
| 11:17.22 | DavidProck1982 | the prob was on Debian |
| 11:17.49 | stew | DavidProck1982: but you don't want help with it? |
| 11:18.27 | geo-rge | stew: he's saying he's climbing up the learning curve and is starting to get things |
| 11:18.47 | DavidProck1982 | listen to me, im tring to tell you my experince so maby one day u might be able to use it |
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| 11:19.19 | DavidProck1982 | brb bath room |
| 11:19.33 | geo-rge | you already did that :) |
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| 11:28.31 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 11:28.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
| 11:29.36 | tralala | that must have been scary |
| 11:30.17 | cydork | tralala: hehe . yep :) |
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| 11:30.18 | Linux_Freek | hey.. |
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| 11:31.24 | Linux_Freek | Each time i change the /etc/motd its again changes back on reboot.I even tried editing the /var/run/motd but it still changes |
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| 11:33.36 | cydork | Linux_Freek: /etc/motd is link to /var/run/motd which is generated. |
| 11:33.43 | cydork | bahh too late.. |
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| 11:34.48 | DavidProck1982 | ok, my friends pc has a nvidia card, his Mouse was on the USB Port, For the first time working with a video card im not used to i really needed help and with some trouble for me cause im not all that great with linux ((just getting by most of the time)) i got it working and 3D games worked great after i got the help, But det desktop display worked right off the bat,, NOW later on, when the pc was off, his dad switch mouses on hi |
| 11:35.39 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 11:35.46 | DavidProck1982 | 2.6 |
| 11:36.09 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: is the xorg.conf pointing to /dev/mouse/mice for the mouse? |
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| 11:36.45 | DavidProck1982 | i think it was mouse |
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| 11:37.06 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: or /dev/mice |
| 11:37.08 | DavidProck1982 | oh ya |
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| 11:37.19 | DavidProck1982 | /dev/mouse/mice |
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| 11:37.25 | solid_liq | k, hmm |
| 11:37.38 | solid_liq | maybe not imps2 driver? |
| 11:38.12 | DavidProck1982 | hell now i cant remember /dev/mouse/mice or /dev//mice |
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| 11:38.27 | DavidProck1982 | would that matter |
| 11:38.44 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: so long as it's mice, that's fine |
| 11:38.47 | Ilovemypuppy | i got wpa_supplicant and wireless working in testing |
| 11:38.58 | Ilovemypuppy | its a LOT easier to set up in testing |
| 11:39.03 | RvGaTe | ppfff, finaly... my bouncer back up |
| 11:39.17 | clownish1 | hey... is there a terminal which features real transparency with out using each time transset? |
| 11:39.20 | solid_liq | woof |
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| 11:40.49 | Mateusz | Hi |
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| 11:41.03 | Mateusz | I have a kernel and second kernel patch-ed with Xen |
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| 11:41.18 | Mateusz | when I try to install patched I have a directory conflict |
| 11:41.20 | Mateusz | in modules |
| 11:41.43 | DavidProck1982 | so add this to your check list... |
| 11:41.43 | Mateusz | how to append someking of version to kernel |
| 11:41.44 | Mateusz | to walk around this |
| 11:41.45 | Mateusz | with make-kpkg ? |
| 11:42.10 | niru | geo-rge:we create installable cd and live cds |
| 11:42.44 | DavidProck1982 | if someone all of a suddon say thier xserver will not work and all errors make it seam like a display probleb, ASK them have they done any thing to the mouse or keyboard |
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| 11:43.13 | DavidProck1982 | ok |
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| 11:45.22 | DavidProck1982 | u get what im saying |
| 11:45.26 | RvGaTe | How can i get very detailed information about the harddrive in the system? |
| 11:46.24 | solid_liq | RvGaTe: use smart |
| 11:46.36 | RvGaTe | !smart |
| 11:46.36 | dpkg | from memory, smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 11:47.25 | DavidProck1982 | !GOD |
| 11:47.25 | dpkg | god is probably The omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Supreme Entity of the Universe. Or dead. |
| 11:47.32 | DavidProck1982 | lol |
| 11:47.38 | DavidProck1982 | !SEX |
| 11:47.39 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 11:47.59 | DavidProck1982 | !OMG |
| 11:48.00 | dpkg | from memory, omg is what ppl say when they see a printed copy of the CORBA specs. "OMG! IT'S HUGE!". Oh My God |
| 11:48.07 | tralala | DavidProck1982, stop abusing the bot |
| 11:48.18 | tralala | and flooding the channel |
| 11:48.19 | DavidProck1982 | lol it is funny |
| 11:48.26 | plutonas | i have played a bit with a vfat usb stick, and now want to get the original filesystem back again. in the cfdisk menu, there are a lot of names but no vfat. which one should i choose? |
| 11:48.35 | DavidProck1982 | sorry, i just figured it out LOL |
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| 11:48.45 | Gnea | !abuse |
| 11:48.46 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 11:48.59 | RvGaTe | !tell DavidProck1982 about yourself |
| 11:49.16 | solid_liq | the sex one was funny |
| 11:49.32 | tralala | and as old as unix |
| 11:49.45 | tonyb2006 | !any ideas |
| 11:49.46 | solid_liq | still a good laugh |
| 11:49.46 | plutonas | nobody knows? what is the "original name" of vfat? |
| 11:49.46 | drool_gen | !fun |
| 11:49.46 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little thermal paste, and a dozen sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:49.46 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 11:50.01 | Gnea | plutonas: what? |
| 11:50.15 | plutonas | i have played a bit with a vfat usb stick, and now want to get the original filesystem back again. in the cfdisk menu, there are a lot of names but no vfat. which one should i choose? |
| 11:50.23 | solid_liq | !fortune |
| 11:50.24 | plutonas | Gnea: thats my question |
| 11:50.31 | tonyb2006 | fat32? |
| 11:50.33 | Gnea | plutonas: oh, you mean the filesystem TYPE? |
| 11:50.39 | plutonas | i get names like fat32 which does not work |
| 11:50.45 | solid_liq | why does dpkg ignore me? |
| 11:50.45 | plutonas | type yes |
| 11:50.46 | drool_gen | !mobo |
| 11:50.46 | dpkg | i heard mobo is short for motherboard |
| 11:50.59 | solid_liq | !etch |
| 11:51.01 | Gnea | try ffat16 |
| 11:51.02 | tonyb2006 | plutonas: you have format it after you use cfdisk |
| 11:51.03 | DavidProck1982 | !tell DavidProck1982 about SEX |
| 11:51.05 | Gnea | er, fat16 |
| 11:51.10 | DavidProck1982 | lol |
| 11:51.20 | plutonas | tonyb2006: how format it? |
| 11:51.28 | solid_liq | look, dpkg ignores me completely |
| 11:51.29 | tonyb2006 | plutonas: mkdosfs /dev/<blah |
| 11:51.30 | tralala | !tell DavidProck1982 -about selftell |
| 11:51.34 | solid_liq | !SEX |
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| 11:51.43 | drool_gen | oh i'm mobo i'm short |
| 11:51.46 | Gnea | solid_liq: probably because you abused it earlier |
| 11:51.52 | solid_liq | Gnea: no I didn't |
| 11:52.04 | Gnea | solid_liq: *shrug* |
| 11:52.06 | solid_liq | Gnea: haven't even used it in as long as I can remember |
| 11:52.11 | plutonas | thx tonyb2006 |
| 11:52.15 | RvGaTe | solid_liq, i installed smart, made sure it started... now how do i get the info? |
| 11:52.24 | solid_liq | man smart |
| 11:52.26 | _Brandon_ | hi, i wish to buy a usb bluetooth adapter, are there any problems with linux? |
| 11:52.34 | drool_gen | man sili |
| 11:52.38 | RvGaTe | solid_liq, no manual entry for smart |
| 11:52.45 | Gnea | _Brandon_: nafaik |
| 11:52.47 | solid_liq | _Brandon_: the compusa brand one I got works just fine |
| 11:52.51 | Gnea | RvGaTe: /usr/share/doc/smart/* ? |
| 11:52.55 | solid_liq | RvGaTe: man smartmontools maybe |
| 11:53.06 | plutonas | tonyb2006: it says wrong fs type again. |
| 11:53.13 | _Brandon_ | ok thanks :) |
| 11:53.21 | solid_liq | _Brandon_: getting bluetooth working can be a pita tho |
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| 11:53.27 | DavidProck1982 | well i am going to need the one-liner again, the one for Etch / Testing the one with Xorg 7.1x |
| 11:54.04 | _Brandon_ | solid_liq: it's not a problem, i just want to know if it works |
| 11:54.24 | DavidProck1982 | i wont need help doing it, i just need to know the commands |
| 11:54.30 | solid_liq | _Brandon_: ok, then yeah |
| 11:55.01 | tralala | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg help |
| 11:55.07 | tralala | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 11:55.09 | RvGaTe | solid_liq, Gnea, found it... but it only says how to install it |
| 11:55.10 | DavidProck1982 | !tell DavidProck1982 about nvidia |
| 11:55.17 | tralala | !tell DavidProck1982 -about selftell |
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| 11:56.11 | tralala | !tell DavidProck1982 -about msg the bot |
| 11:57.08 | solid_liq | RvGaTe: oh yeah, you may want to use hdparm too btw :D |
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| 11:57.48 | solid_liq | RvGaTe: and use man smartctl |
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| 11:57.56 | ratonn | I'd like to send out a newsletter but don't want to overload my exim server which sends out high priority emails. Is there some small daemon I can use? |
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| 11:59.02 | solid_liq | ratonn: zombie windows pcs? |
| 11:59.27 | ratonn | ? |
| 11:59.41 | ratonn | what? |
| 12:00.05 | solid_liq | lol |
| 12:00.45 | Malagmyr | heh |
| 12:01.02 | Malagmyr | I got 5 bots or so you can use :P |
| 12:01.34 | Malagmyr | Relics from childhood script kidding that still work for some reason. |
| 12:01.36 | ratonn | Dunno if there's some tag in exim to set a message as low priority. |
| 12:01.58 | DavidProck1982 | YES, it works not, it was the FUCKING Mouse, BUT None of the errors lead / pointed / hinted to me about the mouse at all |
| 12:02.12 | solid_liq | typical x... |
| 12:02.16 | DavidProck1982 | YES, it works *NOW* |
| 12:02.36 | Malagmyr | someone's raged... |
| 12:03.01 | solid_liq | x is way too picky |
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| 12:03.25 | Malagmyr | Is there a way to configure it to start without a mouse btw? I'm using /dev/null as my mouse now, since the machine doesn't have one. |
| 12:04.26 | DavidProck1982 | lol no mouse , aaahhhhhhh |
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| 12:04.44 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: just don't put a mouse in the conf... or BUY A MOUSE you cheap bastard!! ;) j/k |
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| 12:05.21 | atula | is there a way for me to disable "GLX_SGIX_fbconfig"? |
| 12:05.30 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: got lots of them, but they clutter my desktop. I have one mouse and a keyboard serving three machines with synergy now. Looks very nice and tidy. |
| 12:06.35 | RvGaTe | !dejavu |
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| 12:07.55 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: simply removing the lines from the config results in x saying there's no core pointer configured. Think I'll stick to /dev/null. I've got a softlink to it called /dev/sunmouse, so the dpkg config wizardy thing is happy about it too. |
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| 12:09.16 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: so synergy allows you to control 3 desktops with 3 monitors using one mouse and keyboard? |
| 12:09.26 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: yep |
| 12:09.34 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 12:09.40 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: just as if the screens were on one machine. even clipboard transfers. |
| 12:10.02 | solid_liq | that's EXACTLY what I've wanted for like two years |
| 12:10.08 | solid_liq | I just never heard of synergy! |
| 12:10.20 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: i find it better than using several monitors on one machine, because one machine running a kernel compile doesn't make another run slowly |
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| 12:10.35 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: which is exactly why I've been wanting that! |
| 12:10.36 | solid_liq | :D |
| 12:11.09 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: also, it works windows<->linux. the machine controling this one is my xp gaming machine. so I can play games on one machine, use this for communications and have my logs on a third. |
| 12:11.18 | solid_liq | or like how right now I'm installing etch in a chroot I created with debootstrap |
| 12:11.28 | solid_liq | wow |
| 12:11.30 | solid_liq | cool |
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| 12:12.25 | Malagmyr | make sure you get the newest version if you want to control a linux machine from a keyboard/mouse connected to a windows machine, though, or the clipboard wont be happy |
| 12:12.35 | solid_liq | awesome |
| 12:12.43 | solid_liq | eh, I don't really care about windows tho |
| 12:13.28 | solid_liq | will it allow say two computers to share one monitor too, like using x forwarding but better? |
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| 12:14.27 | tralala | solid_liq, what's wrong with x forwarding? |
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| 12:15.11 | solid_liq | tralala: consumes lots of bandwidth |
| 12:15.55 | solid_liq | I envision a like mini-cluster usable as a desktop |
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| 12:16.16 | solid_liq | so I could have say 6 computers driving three monitors, and controlled by one keyboard/mouse |
| 12:16.47 | tralala | doing this at home usually leaves you with a sucky power per watt |
| 12:16.56 | solid_liq | so? |
| 12:16.58 | solid_liq | :) |
| 12:17.23 | solid_liq | gigabit backplane should be enough |
| 12:17.38 | tralala | so if you really need the performance just buy a decent system |
| 12:17.57 | solid_liq | nah, it's so I can multitask like a mother-f |
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| 12:18.28 | solid_liq | not to run one process faster |
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| 12:18.59 | tralala | did you know that they invented the multi core/cpu computers? |
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| 12:19.33 | solid_liq | tralala: I have two of them :D |
| 12:20.16 | solid_liq | I'd also like laptops to be hotpluggable into the cluster |
| 12:20.22 | solid_liq | that'd be sweet :D |
| 12:20.30 | cydork | solid_liq: what do you do with the clusters? |
| 12:21.01 | tralala | play quake at really high fps? |
| 12:21.02 | solid_liq | cydork: just for a personal enveloping desktop which will allow me to multitask like a mad person |
| 12:21.12 | solid_liq | I don't play games |
| 12:21.24 | cydork | solid_liq: rich bastard :P |
| 12:21.31 | solid_liq | nah |
| 12:21.36 | solid_liq | I get stuff cheap |
| 12:21.48 | solid_liq | I stumble across deals |
| 12:22.00 | cydork | cydork: clusters for just desktop usage is sick :) |
| 12:22.05 | cydork | bah |
| 12:22.08 | solid_liq | bah |
| 12:22.17 | solid_liq | hehe |
| 12:22.19 | tralala | cydork, getting sick already? ;)) |
| 12:22.23 | cydork | i am talking to myself againn.. |
| 12:22.29 | cydork | tralala: yep :P |
| 12:22.59 | tralala | cluster@home = waiste of money |
| 12:23.05 | solid_liq | If I were rich I'd want to get 5 30" monitors, so I could sit far enough back from them for 5 to be usable |
| 12:23.05 | Malagmyr | I've added some kernel options in /boot/grub/menu.lst, at the kernel-line of my currently running kernel. However, I install a new kernel, I have to add the options again, and it even removes the lines from the one I'm currently running. Now, I'd like these options for any and all kernels I run. How can I make them default for everything? |
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| 12:23.15 | rza | hello |
| 12:23.17 | tralala | but if it's not my money who cares?! |
| 12:23.26 | rza | how do i prevent libata and ata_piix from loading in etch install? |
| 12:23.29 | Malagmyr | cluster@home = l33t |
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| 12:24.08 | Malagmyr | I've got 4 machines on my desk and 6 in the closet. http://malagmyr.homeip.net/server.html |
| 12:24.12 | cydork | rza: installing etch from sata cdrom? |
| 12:24.15 | solid_liq | cydork: ask Malagmyr, he has 3 pc's and 3 monitors w/ 1 keyboard/mouse for them all |
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| 12:24.23 | solid_liq | damn! nice! |
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| 12:25.56 | cydork | solid_liq: na i want one of these http://www.sun.com/emrkt/blackbox/index.jsp :P |
| 12:26.35 | cydork | Malagmyr: check update-grub |
| 12:27.03 | enouf | Malagmyr: like so ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro |
| 12:27.04 | enouf | # kopt=root=/dev/hdc1 ro acpi=force lapic |
| 12:27.08 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: you rock! |
| 12:27.10 | solid_liq | :D |
| 12:27.25 | Malagmyr | enouf: thanks |
| 12:27.35 | zamaliphe | how can i report a bug in etch ? |
| 12:27.42 | tralala | now this closet is a really ugly picture |
| 12:27.56 | solid_liq | cydork: now that's just ridiculous |
| 12:27.56 | tralala | it looks like a pc graveyard |
| 12:28.02 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 12:28.19 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: two words for you: cable management |
| 12:28.20 | cydork | tralala: only thing i need in there is a lazyboy ;) |
| 12:28.25 | rza | cydork: yes |
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| 12:28.32 | cydork | rza: /msg dkg etch sata |
| 12:28.39 | rza | cydork: libata.atapi_enabled=1 doesnt do the trick |
| 12:28.48 | cydork | rza: doesn't?? |
| 12:28.53 | cydork | hmm |
| 12:28.53 | rza | no it doesnt |
| 12:29.04 | rza | i wouldnt ask for help if i wasnt in a deadend |
| 12:29.11 | rza | im currently modifying the installer image |
| 12:29.22 | rza | and rename libata and ata_piix modules |
| 12:29.23 | tralala | cydork, I don't get it. Lazyboy? |
| 12:29.28 | rza | and load them manually when needed |
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| 12:29.51 | enouf | Malagmyr: find the line that has the ## and either add a similar one just below (with your default options) and cmdline .. but use only one # .. read teh info about the automagic kernel are within the file's comments and perhaps see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 12:29.54 | cydork | tralala: http://www.lazyboy.co.uk/ |
| 12:29.59 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: oh, and your power management looks like a bit of a firehazard |
| 12:30.07 | enouf | s/are/area |
| 12:30.23 | cydork | rza: hmm you should try to #debian-boot |
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| 12:30.41 | tralala | !cydork++ |
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| 12:30.54 | tralala | in front of the blackbox, right? |
| 12:30.56 | rza | hmm |
| 12:31.00 | cydork | tralala: yep :) |
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| 12:31.08 | rza | if i extract .udeb package and modify it how do i repack it? |
| 12:31.26 | tralala | and a modest nuclear powerplant, of course... |
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| 12:33.07 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: I've tested the total wattage. It's not too bad. My cousin is an electrician, and he says that though putting one extension cord in another is actually illegal here, there's nothing bad about it as long as they're all in perfect condition and you're not draining a total of more power than one of them is specified for. Makes sense, I think. |
| 12:34.14 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: if they both have breakers on them, ok, but you should buy some UPS's and try to distribute them onto diff. circuits |
| 12:35.28 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: Like, it would be legal for me to go down to the store and buy a single extension with 12 sockets, like the one I've got glued under my desk, so as long as I don't use too much power, connecting multiple extensions to one another to add up to a total of 12 sockets should be perfectly fine. |
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| 12:35.29 | Malagmyr | solid_liq: a ups would be nice, though, yes. |
| 12:35.48 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: much better for protection and to ensure your uptime |
| 12:35.54 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: and they are cheap now |
| 12:36.30 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: I have lots of UPSs because they're so nice to have |
| 12:36.37 | solid_liq | Malagmyr: and so cheap now |
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| 12:37.46 | drool_gen | UPS ? |
| 12:37.46 | drool_gen | what's that ? |
| 12:37.58 | tralala | a battery for your computer |
| 12:38.03 | solid_liq | United Postal Service, duh! ;) |
| 12:38.07 | drool_gen | ah uviversal power source |
| 12:38.09 | yeager | :) |
| 12:38.18 | drool_gen | how cheap ? |
| 12:38.21 | solid_liq | no, universal power supply |
| 12:38.24 | drool_gen | ok |
| 12:38.26 | tralala | uninterruptable power supply, actually |
| 12:38.29 | solid_liq | or uninterrupt |
| 12:38.30 | solid_liq | yeah |
| 12:38.37 | drool_gen | lol |
| 12:38.39 | solid_liq | I realized as soon as I hit enter |
| 12:38.47 | DavidProck1982 | ok to be on the safe side, and for one i know i will need it lator for vmware (for my friend) how do i install the kernel source & headers and any thing else that goes in that catagory |
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| 12:40.22 | tralala | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg m-a |
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| 12:42.29 | fasta | I need a stress test for my video card to see whether the cooling works correctly. Is there software that does this? |
| 12:42.49 | atula | hi. I installed an intel card using alien method with an .rpm driver... how do I make my X-windows-system use that driver instead of i810? |
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| 12:43.26 | tralala | intel cards now ship as .rpms? |
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| 12:43.38 | Malagmyr | can vmware possibly be run without root permissions? |
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| 12:43.43 | Malagmyr | and installed? |
| 12:43.46 | atula | tralala, eh, I downloaded it from the site |
| 12:44.15 | atula | Malagmyr, you need root permission to install but you don't need root to run |
| 12:46.26 | Shazaum | I as can configure one sis964 (sound plate) in a AMD64? |
| 12:46.47 | cydork | Malagmyr: nope .. |
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| 12:48.01 | tralala | !br |
| 12:48.02 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 12:52.44 | gnube | What is the best way to add a system user safely? i.e. "subversion" |
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| 12:55.33 | fasta | Can you name one application that runs in Windowed mode, such that I can drag it over the screen, and also select other windows? |
| 12:55.46 | fasta | 3d-application* |
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| 12:56.55 | ufk | hiya |
| 12:57.01 | ufk | is there an apache 2.2 package for debian? |
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| 12:58.47 | Slidey | libsasl update on unstable has broken *something*.. |
| 12:58.55 | gnube | ufk, Yes. |
| 12:59.29 | solid_liq | apt-get fix something |
| 12:59.38 | Slidey | :) |
| 13:00.16 | Slidey | suddenly my postfix installation isnt authenticating via sasl+sql |
| 13:00.20 | ufk | gnube, which branch? |
| 13:00.31 | Slidey | just wondered if anyone else had seen this already ? |
| 13:02.03 | gnube | ufk, Which branch of apache or which branch of debian? |
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| 13:02.09 | ufk | branch of debian |
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| 13:02.20 | gnube | Slidey, Are you getting timeouts with Postfix? |
| 13:02.28 | gnube | ufk, I think it is in testing. |
| 13:02.42 | ufk | k thanks |
| 13:02.54 | RichiH | gnube: just apt-et subversion |
| 13:02.58 | RichiH | it takes care of the user |
| 13:02.59 | Slidey | nah its failing to authenticate |
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| 13:03.30 | Slidey | trying to open /etc/sasldb2 |
| 13:03.32 | RichiH | gnube: if you do not want that for some reason, adduser it and then set its login in /etc/passwd to /bin/nologin |
| 13:04.04 | gnube | RichiH, Not in my case, there is no subversion user in /etc/passwd |
| 13:04.39 | RichiH | gnube: and you did install subversion from an official package? |
| 13:04.54 | gnube | I do believe so, I almost always use official packages. |
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| 13:05.30 | gnube | Should I re-install via apt-get? Or should I go the manual route? |
| 13:06.00 | RichiH | gnube: dpkg -l | grep subversion |
| 13:06.04 | gnube | Is /bin/nologin the official debian-way to add users who should not login? |
| 13:06.09 | gnube | Thanks RichiH |
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| 13:06.30 | RichiH | gnube: yes, though /bin/false also works |
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| 13:06.41 | RichiH | it needs to be in /etc/shells, though |
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| 13:07.11 | RichiH | else, it will not work at all iirc |
| 13:07.11 | RichiH | i.e. not even running stuff as that user |
| 13:07.11 | gnube | Ok. I also limit who can login via ssh as well so I should be covered? |
| 13:07.11 | RichiH | gnube: so, is it via official repo? |
| 13:07.30 | gnube | Sorry, yes offcial 1.3.2 |
| 13:07.32 | RichiH | gnube: /bin/nologin solves all your problems, both remote and local |
| 13:07.42 | gnube | RichiH, Ah cool. Thanks. |
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| 13:08.15 | RichiH | even IF the user had a password and IF the attacker knew it and IF he knew your IP, then he would log in, nologin would be called, shut itself, ssh sees the shell die and closes the connection |
| 13:08.33 | Cashel | someone refresh my memory? what was the debian 64bit chan called again? |
| 13:08.35 | RichiH | gnube: then file a bug against subversion and tell them it did not create a user for your |
| 13:08.41 | gnube | That is elegant. |
| 13:08.56 | gnube | RichiH, I think I may have to. |
| 13:09.05 | RichiH | then apt-get remove --purge subversion && apt-get pdate && apt-get instal subversion |
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| 13:09.15 | tralala | Cashel, amd64 |
| 13:09.21 | Cashel | ahhh thanks |
| 13:09.34 | gnube | RichiH, Right. Will do. |
| 13:09.39 | RichiH | :) |
| 13:10.13 | tralala | that is debian-amd64, of course |
| 13:10.33 | Cashel | kinda dead in there unfortunetly... |
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| 13:10.43 | XChatTer | hello to all |
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| 13:10.46 | Cashel | Dont suppose anyone here uses 64studio? |
| 13:11.07 | tralala | yeah, it's kind of silent generally |
| 13:11.35 | tralala | 64studio? |
| 13:11.39 | XChatTer | do I completely save an image of a partition if I type dd if=/dev/hda1 of=IMAGE ? |
| 13:11.49 | Cashel | Having a wierd problem with my hostname... I change it to what I want then after a reboot it goes back lol... |
| 13:12.02 | Ronin | Cashel: /etc/hostname |
| 13:12.05 | Cashel | tralala: yeah, www.64studio.com ... its rather nifty |
| 13:12.06 | solid_liq | XChatTer: exact copy |
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| 13:12.17 | Cashel | Ronin: I changed it there... somethings changing it back tho... |
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| 13:12.18 | solid_liq | whatis 64studio? |
| 13:12.30 | Ronin | that was going to be my next question Cashel heh |
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| 13:13.00 | Cashel | its based on the pure 64 debian port, comes preconfigured with a lot of video/audio editing software and preempt kernel patches, etc... |
| 13:13.03 | solid_liq | wow sweet |
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| 13:13.19 | solid_liq | Cashel: does the pure 64 debian port work well? |
| 13:13.45 | Cashel | not for me it didnt, but this 64studio works great |
| 13:13.54 | tralala | it works fine |
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| 13:14.18 | solid_liq | hmmm |
| 13:14.35 | Cashel | except I cant change the hostname :) |
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| 13:15.22 | solid_liq | heheh |
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| 13:15.27 | solid_liq | vim /etc/hostname |
| 13:16.02 | tralala | this means you aren't working fine |
| 13:16.18 | Cashel | hmmm I may have just fixed it... |
| 13:16.44 | solid_liq | Cashel: with vim? |
| 13:16.50 | Cashel | naturaly :) |
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| 13:17.32 | Cashel | I guess /bin/hostname is actualy useless... |
| 13:17.59 | DerJamster | /bin/hostname gets run at boot and uses /etc/hostname AFAIK |
| 13:18.01 | Ronin | Cashel: heh i thoguht you said you edited the /etc/hostname earlier |
| 13:19.03 | Cashel | Ronin: Heehhee, the man page said it sets the hostname, I figured that meant it edited the file... I lied I guess... sorry :) |
| 13:19.06 | RvGaTe | I noticed that someone has logged on my ftp who shouldn't be logged on (unknown ip adress), how can i see what username he used to login ? |
| 13:19.08 | cusco | yes /bin/hostname --file /etc/hostname |
| 13:19.12 | tralala | just as useless as ifconfig |
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| 13:20.21 | Cashel | RvGaTe: who --ips |
| 13:20.22 | tralala | RvGaTe, this is server specific but it's probably in the log file |
| 13:20.47 | RvGaTe | tralala, sarge, vsftp |
| 13:21.11 | tralala | okay, check the logs |
| 13:21.11 | solid_liq | RvGaTe: also check your ftp log file |
| 13:22.29 | XChatTer | solid_liq, thank you for your answer :) |
| 13:22.29 | XChatTer | so, if I want to restore the partition |
| 13:22.30 | DavidProck1982 | hay most apps that look for the kernel source what file does it read to know where to look or what is the default path in general all i know is it is in /usr/src/ but what from there |
| 13:22.30 | XChatTer | I just have to do dd if=SLACKWARE of=/dev/hda1 |
| 13:22.30 | XChatTer | is it right? |
| 13:22.30 | solid_liq | XChatTer: should work, you might want to set the blocksize tho |
| 13:22.52 | XChatTer | is it needed? |
| 13:22.54 | solid_liq | XChatTer: although it would be better to have everything in LVM, and use LVM's tool for that |
| 13:23.05 | XChatTer | I'm using ext3 |
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| 13:23.17 | solid_liq | XChatTer: otherwise you should be doing it while you're not running the os your taking a snapshot of |
| 13:23.21 | Cashel | ok off to reboot... thanks for tolerating me :) |
| 13:23.30 | XChatTer | obviously |
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| 13:23.33 | solid_liq | XChatTer: setting the blocksize can make it faster |
| 13:23.41 | DavidProck1982 | what file tells apps the path to the kernel source |
| 13:23.43 | XChatTer | well... the distro i'm backuping is Debian Etch |
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| 13:23.48 | petemc | gungnir: iptraf |
| 13:23.53 | XChatTer | I'm doing it from another partition on which I have Ubuntu |
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| 13:24.00 | tralala | DavidProck1982, why do you want to know? |
| 13:24.04 | XChatTer | and although it is just 4GB |
| 13:24.08 | XChatTer | it's taking a lot of time |
| 13:24.30 | DavidProck1982 | so i know what to name the folder that the source is in |
| 13:24.40 | XChatTer | but... uhm.. there is small problem |
| 13:24.47 | Roey | question, does this implement a reasonable spam trap: http://www.stahl.bau.tu-bs.de/~hildeb/postfix/postfix_spamtrap.shtml |
| 13:24.49 | Roey | ? |
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| 13:24.49 | XChatTer | the partition is 11GB |
| 13:25.01 | XChatTer | and 7 of them are free |
| 13:25.02 | tralala | DavidProck1982, this is not how you do kernel stuff in debian |
| 13:25.25 | XChatTer | dd is creating a file that is 11GB big |
| 13:25.25 | XChatTer | how may I avoid it? |
| 13:25.32 | cubiq | How can I confirm that I have ext3 support compiled into my kernel? |
| 13:25.37 | Ronin | little over kill Roey i see that dropping legitimate email |
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| 13:25.55 | solid_liq | XChatTer: compress it afterwards. As I said, it's an EXACT copy |
| 13:26.08 | tralala | cubiq, custom kernel? |
| 13:26.14 | solid_liq | cubiq: it's a virtual guarantee unless you compiled it yourself |
| 13:26.17 | cubiq | tralala: yes |
| 13:26.19 | XChatTer | partimage could solve my problem? |
| 13:26.23 | Gumby | XChatTer: dd copies the whole partition, not just the data you have on it |
| 13:26.33 | DavidProck1982 | ok then what file points the system to the kernel source |
| 13:26.47 | DavidProck1982 | directory |
| 13:26.54 | tralala | DavidProck1982: /msg dpkg m-a |
| 13:26.56 | Malagmyr | How can I make dpkg -l display the full package name? it gets cut off to fit on the line |
| 13:27.03 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: /usr/src |
| 13:27.09 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: /usr/src/linux that is |
| 13:27.12 | tralala | Malagmyr, COLUMS=200 dpkg -l |
| 13:27.16 | tralala | or more if needed |
| 13:27.18 | cubiq | Im actually having trouble creating a ext3 filesystem on a new raid attached disc but I thought that I should make sure that wasn't a kernel problem |
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| 13:27.52 | tralala | cubiq, if you want to opt out a kernel problem try with a stock kernel |
| 13:27.55 | Roey | Ronin: what did you mean?? |
| 13:28.00 | solid_liq | cubiq: type mount to see if you have ext3 partitions mounted now |
| 13:28.01 | Roey | <Ronin> little over kill Roey i see that dropping legitimate email |
| 13:28.06 | Roey | ? |
| 13:28.06 | Malagmyr | tralala: ii libsasl2-modul 2.1.19.dfsg1-0 Pluggable Authentication Modules for SASL <-- still gets cut off |
| 13:28.11 | Mateusz | Hi I have a problem with squid and logrotate on etch, squid crashes when logroatate moves logs |
| 13:28.16 | Mateusz | any help with this ? |
| 13:28.19 | RvGaTe | pfew, the guy never managed to login, but he is trying to login 24 times a minute |
| 13:28.19 | Ronin | Roey: If Postfix receives a multi-recipient mail and one of the recipients is to be discarded, then Postfix will discard the entire message to ALL recipients. |
| 13:28.27 | Roey | Ronin: oh, you meant "[it's a] little overkill, Roey, [as] I see that dropping legitimate email" |
| 13:28.46 | Roey | Ronin: ohhhhhhh ok |
| 13:28.50 | DavidProck1982 | so the version dont go in with the name of the linux folder in /usr/src ??? solid_liq |
| 13:29.05 | Roey | Ronin: yeah but don't spammers send the mail individually? |
| 13:29.05 | Roey | Ronin: i.e. not bcc'd ? |
| 13:29.05 | XChatTer | 11770343424 bytes (12 GB) copied, 694,578 seconds, 16,9 MB/s done thanks guys :P |
| 13:29.05 | cubiq | solid_liq: Its not that easy :) Im building an embedded system from a debian distribution. The host system has ext3 support. |
| 13:29.18 | solid_liq | DavidProck1982: /usr/src/linux is the symbolic link to the actual dir with the source |
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| 13:29.27 | cubiq | solid_liq: If I do a mount in my embedded system I only get my ramfs mounts |
| 13:29.28 | DavidProck1982 | ok thanks |
| 13:29.30 | tralala | Malagmyr, COLUMS=200 dpkpg -l |
| 13:29.39 | Malagmyr | tralala: ah. got it :) thanks |
| 13:29.43 | solid_liq | cubiq: hemm |
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| 13:30.18 | cubiq | the problem is that I get following error when mke2fs -j is creating the journal NO such file or directory while creating journal |
| 13:30.26 | Mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.10 | tralala | Malagmyr, install sarge - both logrotate and squid work fine there |
| 13:31.17 | tralala | Mateusz, ^^ |
| 13:31.41 | Mateusz | tralala hmm should I downgrade squid to sarge ? |
| 13:31.45 | Mateusz | tralala is it possible ? |
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| 13:32.05 | tralala | Mateusz: /msg dpkg downgrade |
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| 13:38.14 | dooglus | something strange has happened to my 'unstable' install. "apt-cache policy" tells me that pretty much every package is not installed, but "dpkg -l" tells me they are installed. how would this have happened? |
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| 13:40.30 | Mateusz | tralala can someone confirm that squid and logrotate works fine on sid ? |
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| 13:40.56 | lgeniorea | in what package can i get the lder libs? |
| 13:41.41 | wlnet | upgraded splashy to 0.2.1 and it sucks. Upon boot, system is stuck with the background image with a blank (outline only) progress bar. anyone using splashy? |
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| 13:43.03 | tralala | Mateusz, not anybody that I know |
| 13:43.16 | iuso | hi, how do i install grub on both hd's in a soft raid configuration? |
| 13:43.45 | telmich | iuso: I would manually write it to both mbrs |
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| 13:44.07 | telmich | iuso: and set the root() to each own device, so grub finds the configuration |
| 13:44.07 | h3sp4wn | smartd[3831]: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 247 to 249 (Is that anything to be bothered about ?) |
| 13:44.19 | telmich | iuso: in grub2 this is better solved, iirc |
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| 13:46.09 | Slidey | the libsasl2 upgrade in etch to 2.0.22 looks like it breaks it |
| 13:46.34 | Mateusz | can someone confirm that squid and logrotate works fine on sid ? |
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| 13:46.48 | wlnet | interesting. i am about to install a raid1 system. i thought raid means mirroring. does it not mirror the mbr too? |
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| 13:47.05 | apsuva | i m downloaded this splash screen = http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=39874 but how to install splash screen |
| 13:47.20 | wols | RAID mirrors partitions, not partition tables |
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| 13:47.52 | jonkri | i'm trying to start skype but it says no file or directory. look at this (i've included a ls -l)... isn't this weird: http://rafb.net/paste/results/f8zaz659.html |
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| 13:48.48 | dooglus | hmm. I fixed the dpkg problem by switching from the .de to the .cz mirror and doing an apt-get update. switching back doesn't reintroduce the problem either. strange. |
| 13:49.06 | wlnet | wols: in that case, without manually making a cp of the mbr, then the backup disk cannot bootup and start on its own? |
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| 13:49.48 | sep | wlnet, correct. if you want full disk mirror including mbr you need a real hardware raid card. |
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| 13:50.37 | timeW | I have a deb box that was hacked, via weak user password, they were able to run some scanning software to launch attacks from that box, is this worth reporting to someone? |
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| 13:51.06 | telmich | timeW: at least to those users |
| 13:51.12 | dooglus | timeW: a developer you mean? or the authorities? |
| 13:51.29 | timeW | to developers |
| 13:51.50 | dooglus | timeW: I don't think it's news that if someone guesses your password then they can log in and run commands... |
| 13:51.53 | timeW | they never got root |
| 13:51.54 | jonkri | timeW, what developers? |
| 13:52.35 | timeW | but put programs in /dev/shm |
| 13:53.00 | wlnet | sep: how to cp mbr fr one hd to another? what's the command? |
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| 13:53.23 | dooglus | jonkri: that's strange, yes. |
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| 13:53.44 | jonkri | dooglus, thank you, i know :) |
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| 13:54.10 | dooglus | jonkri: can you "ls -l ./skype" and then "./skype" and show the output? |
| 13:54.17 | jonkri | dooglus, certainly |
| 13:54.39 | sep | wlnet, use the bootloader to write the mbr to both disks |
| 13:55.00 | jonkri | dooglus, http://rafb.net/paste/results/25gSUC71.html |
| 13:55.59 | dooglus | jonkri: thanks. how about a "od -c ./skype | head -5" and a "file ./skype" too? |
| 13:56.10 | tralala | jonkri, perhaps you're missing some libs - ldd skype |
| 13:56.33 | tralala | jonkri, why didn't you install the .deb? |
| 13:56.38 | iuso | telmich: i did 'grub-install hd1,0' but it didn't produce a bootable 2nd drive. perhaps i missed that root() thing. where is it set? |
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| 13:57.02 | iuso | telmich: you mean the --root-directory flag? |
| 13:57.03 | jonkri | dooglus, http://rafb.net/paste/results/WiCnWE10.html |
| 13:57.08 | dooglus | tralala: wouldn't that say "./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" or similar if that were the problem? |
| 13:57.13 | jonkri | dooglus, i just realized i'm on an amd64 box. does that make a difference? |
| 13:57.22 | jonkri | tralala, what deb? |
| 13:57.27 | dooglus | jonkri: it could be that I guess |
| 13:57.31 | tralala | jonkri, it certainly does. skype is a 32bit app |
| 13:57.46 | tralala | the .deb provided by skype |
| 13:57.53 | DoppleGanger | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.55 | dooglus | doesn't the amd64 run 32 bit apps? |
| 13:58.01 | tralala | for amd64 you need to run it in a 32bit chroot |
| 13:58.01 | DoppleGanger | doh |
| 13:58.02 | DoppleGanger | he eh |
| 13:58.37 | telmich | iswm: sorry, don't know about grub-install. I use grub directly |
| 13:58.53 | jonkri | oh, ok. thank you |
| 13:58.56 | dooglus | hmmm. the error message could be a little more informative. "no such file or directory" doesn't help much! |
| 13:59.12 | raf256 | the bit torrent download of amd64 debian is fucked up, where should I report this? |
| 13:59.21 | raf256 | server is missconfigured for this torrent |
| 13:59.39 | kml | hi, any ideas which would yell better performance - a regalar scsi drive vs a scsi raid5 with 3 drives? |
| 13:59.43 | jonkri | dooglus, i agree |
| 13:59.46 | tralala | raf256, to the web master of the site pointing to the torrent |
| 13:59.46 | Ronin | dear god raf256 have you ever had a download or install of debian that just worked? |
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| 14:00.10 | raf256 | Ronin: yes, several |
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| 14:00.17 | raf256 | Ronin: something wrong? |
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| 14:00.39 | Ronin | raf256: just curious is all, you always seem to be in having problems with an install is all |
| 14:00.40 | khaleel | I have installed debian etch via dvd on my pc 'three times' in the last 2 weeks. All three times , i have added a seperate user (except root) during the install .But surprisingly this third time when I have addded ths new user , named khaleel , It cannot start x sayis I am NOT AUTHORISED to run X (the user khaleel) [btw x runs fine , in that THIRD install , logged in as root and used some stuff in kde ] |
| 14:00.59 | raf256 | Ronin: no, I install debian a lot of debians so I find errors often |
| 14:01.34 | khaleel | even added another user named k2 in CLI but that newuser is also NOT permitted to start x (or even ppp connection via pon ) -yeah one more WIERD happenign in the third install |
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| 14:01.43 | tralala | raf256, consider jigdo |
| 14:01.55 | raf256 | tralala: jigdo sucks sterribly |
| 14:02.02 | drool_gen | what |
| 14:02.09 | raf256 | I will download from HTTP, but I wanted to contribute bug report of that torrent |
| 14:02.20 | drool_gen | what's cramfs good for ? |
| 14:02.34 | tralala | raf256, you mean you don't know how to use it? |
| 14:02.49 | raf256 | tralala: you mean jigdo, the script around wget? |
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| 14:02.56 | h3sp4wn | drool_gen: alternative to cpio for initial ram disks |
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| 14:03.12 | tralala | raf256, it's quite a bit more than a wget script |
| 14:03.27 | raf256 | tralala: which prints shitloads of junk to console while working and downloads all file-by-file? |
| 14:03.39 | raf256 | and doesnt check chcecksums? |
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| 14:03.55 | h3sp4wn | drool_gen: squashfs is better than cramfs for most cases |
| 14:03.59 | tralala | it does check the checksums for every single file! |
| 14:04.17 | raf256 | tralala: I wanted to use bittorrnent to contribute (upload) |
| 14:04.29 | MarcoPau | is quicktime still not available for firefox? |
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| 14:04.57 | drool_gen | h3sp4wn: thank you i'll look for squashfs with aptitude |
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| 14:05.43 | possie | what is the iptables command line, to accept incomming connection if i originated that connection, i thought it was something -syn |
| 14:06.01 | tralala | raf256, you can still contribute using bittorrent even if you download it using jigdo |
| 14:06.08 | dooglus | possie: how can you initiate an incoming connection? |
| 14:06.24 | dooglus | possie: 'incoming' means it was initiated remotely |
| 14:06.39 | tralala | possie, --state NEW |
| 14:07.02 | raf256 | tralala: how, if the server rejects connections |
| 14:07.18 | raf256 | tralala: the server is missconfigured so I just reported it :) and now downloading HTTP |
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| 14:08.32 | possie | tralala, you know some good documentation about iptables? |
| 14:08.36 | dooglus | tralala: if you use azureus, you can contribute to the torrent when the tracker is down |
| 14:08.50 | dooglus | raf256: if you use azureus, you can contribute to the torrent when the tracker is down |
| 14:09.00 | h3sp4wn | drool_gen: You can build the modules with module assistant (or install them directly) depending on what kernel you are on |
| 14:09.14 | tralala | possie, the manual is pretty good. Then there is lartc |
| 14:09.16 | tralala | possie: /msg dpkg lartc |
| 14:09.51 | drool_gen | h3sp4wn: there's a kernel-patch for it |
| 14:09.55 | drool_gen | i'll use that one |
| 14:10.25 | h3sp4wn | drool_gen: What kernel version are you using ? |
| 14:11.02 | aidehua | What control character is ^@ ? |
| 14:11.37 | dooglus | aidehua: NUL |
| 14:11.53 | h3sp4wn | drool_gen: Much easier to use module-assistant (unless you are on 2.6.19 in which case you still need to fix the patch) |
| 14:11.59 | Flimzy | Are there any tools out there to automatically give a list of Debian packages and download all the binary debs for a specific arch, and the source debs to drop into a local repository? |
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| 14:12.24 | drool_gen | h3sp4wn: 2.6.18-2-686 |
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| 14:13.09 | aidehua | dooglus: ta |
| 14:13.23 | drool_gen | h3sp4wn: i don't have module-assistant i just have modconf |
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| 14:13.53 | sopues | hmm |
| 14:14.01 | sopues | my sasl2 libraries/binaries were updated |
| 14:14.10 | sopues | now my login to cyrus doesnt work :( |
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| 14:14.35 | rza | did you override configs? |
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| 14:15.15 | sopues | Ive modified them, yes |
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| 14:15.21 | sopues | and I kept my old versions |
| 14:15.29 | x_link | How do I see how fast my network card is? |
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| 14:15.50 | x_link | I have a onboard card and I just ordered a new connection speed. |
| 14:15.58 | x_link | So I want to know if my card can handle that. |
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| 14:16.21 | _lyte_ | ' /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmysqlclient <--i get this error can anyone help me please ? |
| 14:16.27 | sopues | saslauth isnt actually starting.... |
| 14:16.31 | sopues | +d |
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| 14:16.58 | sopues | it tries to "start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/saslauthd/saslauthd.pid --name saslauthd --exec /usr/sbin/saslauthd -- -a pam -n" |
| 14:17.12 | pingwin | your mysqlclient library may be missing, did you recently just upgrade mysql? _lyte_ |
| 14:17.13 | sopues | which is wrong: "/usr/sbin/saslauthd: option requires an argument -- n" and " -n <procs> Number of worker processes to create. |
| 14:17.13 | sopues | " |
| 14:18.02 | rza | sopues: etch? |
| 14:18.08 | sopues | Im on testing |
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| 14:24.11 | zetetic | hi |
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| 14:24.40 | zetetic | anybody can please tell me if tuxguardian is in debian's etch repositories? |
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| 14:25.47 | support | is there a php5 packages for debian stable ? |
| 14:26.11 | h3sp4wn | drool_gen: aptitude install module-assistant (but it does depend what you need it for) |
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| 14:27.31 | abrotman | zetetic: packages.debian.org |
| 14:27.35 | abrotman | support: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 14:27.48 | drool_gen | h3sp4wn: i had it, but during upgrades it got lost and even a dist-upgrade wouldn't return it back, i have to look for why it's not installed, or does it not get installed automatically ? |
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| 14:29.33 | optraz | hello all, just to try my luck if anyone here know this. i have rhel ASv4 update 1 in 3 servers. i have downloaded ASV4 update4. can i update those box using CD? if can, how ? |
| 14:29.54 | h3sp4wn | drool_gen: Its not installed automatically I don't think (and even if it - seen as you run sid you cannot expect stuff like that to stay) |
| 14:29.55 | zamuro | optraz: This is not redhat channel. |
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| 14:30.46 | pingwin | anyone know where I can get the php5-mysql with mysql-5 libmysqlclient lib being used? My backend server is 5.1 and I need a mysql5 client library for php. I'd prefer to have this package managed by debian. |
| 14:30.52 | pingwin | anyone know where to look for this? |
| 14:31.12 | optraz | zamuro, i know that. just wanna try my luck if anyone has experience on that |
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| 14:31.54 | zamuro | U should try your luck in the redhat channel, then. |
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| 14:32.24 | abrotman | optraz: try #redhat or #fedora or ##linux |
| 14:32.30 | optraz | thanks |
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| 14:33.32 | zetetic | ok, tuxguardian is not on debian repositories. can someone please suggest a good application control/filtering firewall? |
| 14:34.40 | optraz | hello, if the system is very very busy. can i still ssh into the box ? |
| 14:35.33 | rza | zetetic: squid and command line iptables |
| 14:35.55 | rgsteele | zetetic: what rza said: iptables |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | optraz: holy crap .. ask #redhat |
| 14:36.54 | zetetic | I can't manualy configure iptables. I hope squid is easier to setup and has a front-end |
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| 14:37.06 | rza | squid is a proxy |
| 14:37.07 | abrotman | why can't you? |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 14:37.10 | dpkg | it has been said that iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 14:37.17 | rza | zetetic: you got nice manuals online |
| 14:37.24 | Mateusz | I have a problem with quid |
| 14:37.24 | rza | and #iptables is there to help you |
| 14:37.26 | Mateusz | and logrotate |
| 14:37.28 | Mateusz | on etch |
| 14:37.33 | Mateusz | any help ? |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | stop hitting enter |
| 14:37.43 | rza | Mateusz: ask your question in one sentece |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | ask the real question .. STOP hitting enter |
| 14:37.52 | rza | Mateusz: and state the actual problem there |
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| 14:38.10 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:38.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:38.11 | tralala | zetetic, squid != iptables |
| 14:38.16 | optraz | abrotman, it is not redhat problem, it is debian!@ |
| 14:38.19 | Mateusz | ok, The problem is when logrotate rotates squids logs then squid crashes |
| 14:38.33 | tralala | optraz, yes, you can ssh in a busy box |
| 14:38.35 | Mateusz | I had to turn off logrotate |
| 14:38.38 | rza | squid shouldnt crash |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | optraz: yes you can |
| 14:38.52 | abrotman | as long as the system has resources to allocate |
| 14:39.00 | Mateusz | and the access.log is 2.6Gb :( |
| 14:39.01 | abrotman | Mateusz: ONE LINE |
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| 14:39.03 | tralala | rza, software shouldn't have bugs |
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| 14:39.11 | optraz | tralala, is there any option to limit the number of ssh connection into the box if the system load is high? |
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| 14:39.20 | Roey | hello, does anyone know of any spamtraps for postfix on Debian Etch? I do apt-cache search spam trap, but get only SugarPlum (which I don't know if it works with postfix or not) |
| 14:39.23 | tralala | optraz, man sshd_config |
| 14:39.30 | rza | tralala: squid hasnt crashed on me even once in about three years |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | Roey: postgrey .. maybe ? look for greylisting |
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| 14:39.45 | rza | Roey: i use graylisting |
| 14:39.50 | Roey | abrotman: I set up greylisting yesterday |
| 14:40.05 | tralala | rza, in testing? |
| 14:40.23 | Mateusz | rza when logrotates rotates logs squid is dead |
| 14:40.28 | Roey | abrotman, rza: I do whitelisting, graylisting, a little blacklisting, and I want to set up a spam trap as well (all before I even think about content-inspection-based antispam) |
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| 14:40.36 | rza | tralala: sarge |
| 14:40.49 | rza | tralala: i dont see why anyone would use testing in a production squid |
| 14:40.55 | Roey | tralala: Gunther & The Shunshine Girls ?? |
| 14:41.03 | tralala | rza, sarge is not 3 years old and anyway he's asking about etch |
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| 14:41.22 | tralala | Roey, erm, no thanks |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | logrotate has an option to restart the daemon |
| 14:41.31 | Roey | tralala: I meant, is your nick based on that |
| 14:41.38 | tralala | no |
| 14:41.41 | Roey | when's Etch going stable? |
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| 14:41.52 | rza | tralala: i still see no reason in squid usage |
| 14:41.58 | tralala | Roey: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 14:42.02 | Roey | oh |
| 14:42.03 | Roey | ohhh ok |
| 14:42.10 | Roey | thank you. |
| 14:42.12 | Roey | when it's ready. |
| 14:42.25 | tralala | wwer != wir |
| 14:42.40 | Roey | heh ok |
| 14:43.01 | pingwin | anyone know where I can get the php5-mysql with mysql-5 libmysqlclient lib being used? My backend server is 5.1 and I need a mysql5 client library for php. I'd prefer to have this package managed by debian. |
| 14:43.39 | tralala | rza, I don't know if he's using it in production setup but I agree and I've already told him the fix - to install stable where it works just fine. |
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| 14:44.00 | abrotman | pingwin: for etch or sarge ? |
| 14:44.37 | pingwin | sarge |
| 14:44.44 | pingwin | sorry, should have mentioned that |
| 14:44.45 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 14:44.45 | dpkg | i guess backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 14:45.01 | abrotman | if not that .. then /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:45.04 | pingwin | i already have that source, they don't have it |
| 14:45.04 | rza | pingwin: www.dotdeb.org has nice php5 packages |
| 14:45.10 | rza | unofficial thou |
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| 14:45.12 | abrotman | they have mysql5 and php5 |
| 14:45.19 | pingwin | unofficial is okay. |
| 14:45.21 | abrotman | please don't use dotdeb unless you really have to |
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| 14:45.46 | pingwin | abrotman umm well I have php5-mysql installed from backports |
| 14:45.47 | Roey | tralala, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html |
| 14:45.54 | pingwin | rsa i think I'll check that out, thanks |
| 14:45.54 | Roey | tralala: it was supposed to release yesterday |
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| 14:46.04 | abrotman | pingwin: did you look at installing the libmysql from bpo ? |
| 14:46.15 | tralala | Roey, I remember |
| 14:46.28 | Roey | (this is the first I read about it, so it's new to me) |
| 14:46.32 | pingwin | abrotman yep, that's where I got the mysql-client as well |
| 14:46.33 | pingwin | 5.0 |
| 14:46.41 | abrotman | and it doesn't work with php5? |
| 14:46.53 | tralala | Roey, keep on reading though - there's newer stuff |
| 14:46.55 | pingwin | it works, but it uses the mysql4 authentication |
| 14:47.02 | Roey | tralala: ohh ok |
| 14:47.03 | pingwin | which will not work with mysql5 |
| 14:47.06 | Roey | tralala: btw, thanks ofr the link |
| 14:47.10 | tralala | sure |
| 14:47.13 | abrotman | pingwin: you could ask the maintainer |
| 14:47.20 | Roey | tralala: I'm concerned they won't have a few important spam packages |
| 14:47.25 | pingwin | aiight, thanks abrotman |
| 14:47.33 | pingwin | i think I may also try out the dotdeb.org in the mean time |
| 14:47.49 | tralala | Roey, you could try to help with the debugging if you want to see them in |
| 14:47.56 | panthera | pingwin: strongly consider to use bpo and not other unofficial packages. |
| 14:47.57 | Roey | tralala: hmm |
| 14:48.00 | abrotman | the dotdeb used to be questionable quality |
| 14:48.08 | Roey | tralala: #debian-devel ? |
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| 14:48.30 | pingwin | panthera abrotman alright, I guess I'll contact the maintainer |
| 14:48.38 | tralala | Roey, bugs.debian.org + the december announcement in wwer |
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| 14:48.52 | abrotman | pingwin: AIUI .. the bpo packages are done by the actual DD (might not be true anymore) |
| 14:48.55 | pingwin | things like this are my only problem with debian. normally I'm a gentoo user, but this server is for work |
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| 14:51.33 | Roey | tralala: oh, ok |
| 14:51.46 | optraz | tralala, dont think man sshd_config has what i need |
| 14:51.59 | loca|host | how to know more informations about a specific package, espectially from wich repository it was fetched. |
| 14:52.15 | tralala | optraz, then propbably ssh cannot do what you need |
| 14:52.26 | h3sp4wn | loca|host: apt-cache policy <foo> and apt-cache madison <foo> |
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| 14:52.46 | abrotman | apt-cache |
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| 14:56.00 | cusco | dudes im trying to help out a friend |
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| 14:56.14 | abrotman | get him a girlfriend |
| 14:56.27 | cusco | and he has a conexant dvb card wich uses the cx88 module |
| 14:56.48 | cusco | lol.. I can't get one for myself |
| 14:57.05 | cusco | but when the module is loaded, on dmesg shows: |
| 14:57.26 | cusco | Your board has no valid PCI Subsystem ID and thus can't be autodetected. Please pass card=<n> insmod option to workaround that. |
| 14:57.36 | cusco | then shows the list of cards |
| 14:57.39 | zetetic | I'm a newbee, so it's too dificult for me to configure iptables. I just want something with a front-end that allows me to manage application outbound control/filtering. Something like Outpost, Kerio, ZoneAlarm... any suggestions? |
| 14:57.48 | cusco | and this is the one: [17186604.872000] cx88[0]: card=27 -> PixelView PlayTV Ultra Pro (Stereo) |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | use iptables |
| 14:58.01 | abrotman | zetetic: it's a good thing to learn |
| 14:58.38 | cusco | now whe he uses insmod with the -card option it outputs an error: |
| 14:58.45 | tralala | zetetic, wiki.debian.org has a bunch of suggestions for iptables frontends but at the end of the day you'll need to learn stuff anyway |
| 14:58.48 | fflush | zetetic: man iptables, have fun :) |
| 14:58.50 | cusco | insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx8800.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 14:59.18 | tralala | cusco, modprobe mod_name card=X |
| 14:59.27 | zetetic | yes I know it's a good think to learn, and I'm willing to learn, but if there's somathing easier to deal with, something with a front-end |
| 14:59.28 | cusco | holdon |
| 14:59.31 | tralala | don't use insmode and don't use -card |
| 15:00.00 | tralala | zetetic, yes, there is - wiki.debian.org |
| 15:00.17 | PingFloyd | zetetic: you could use guarddog or firestarter for that |
| 15:00.24 | zetetic | I know tuxguardian is a application control/filtering firewall, with a front-end. Anyone here has managed to install it from source on debian? |
| 15:00.37 | PingFloyd | afaik, they essentially like a front-end to iptables |
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| 15:01.28 | zetetic | guardog and firestarter only do protocol/ports control, not application outbound control/filtering, so if you give access to one port, you are giving all applications access to that port... |
| 15:01.42 | abrotman | zetetic: there are .. but honestly .. it's not that hard to learn basic iptables |
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| 15:03.14 | cusco | tralala: it still errors out: |
| 15:03.15 | cusco | FATAL: Error inserting cx8800 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-10-386/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx8800.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 15:04.23 | jelly | what's better raid0+1 or raid10? :-) |
| 15:04.40 | cusco | http://cusco.biz.tm/pics/lol/raid |
| 15:04.41 | zetetic | but even if I learn basic iptables, it will be much more difficult to configure any new application that treies to accesse internet. With a front-end, anytime a new application tries to access internet it would be only a matter of one or two clicks (do you want to allow application Y outbound access on port X? yes or no?) |
| 15:04.43 | cusco | lol |
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| 15:05.17 | cusco | zetetic: I don't think there is a frontend that does that |
| 15:05.18 | fflush | zetetic: windows 2003 + norton for you |
| 15:05.27 | abrotman | jelly: roughly the same |
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| 15:05.32 | fflush | or |
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| 15:05.38 | fflush | zetetic: man iptables |
| 15:05.48 | abrotman | zetetic: that's only if you control outgoing .. |
| 15:05.50 | zetetic | I do think tuxguardian does that. Am I wrong? |
| 15:05.59 | jelly | abrotman: I have 4 disks and a touch decision to make. ;-) |
| 15:06.03 | jelly | tough |
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| 15:06.37 | Flimzy | Are there any useful Debian-derrived Linux distributions designed for production server use? |
| 15:07.11 | jelly | Flimzy: Debian stable works. |
| 15:07.11 | Flimzy | I'm mainly interested in a shorter release cycle than Debian has |
| 15:07.11 | Ronin | Flimzy: sarge |
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| 15:07.11 | Flimzy | jelly: Yeah, it works if you need really old software. hehe |
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| 15:07.24 | Ronin | really old? not even hardly |
| 15:07.26 | Flimzy | We'll probably be mantaining our own more-stable-than-testing version of Debian for our stuff. |
| 15:07.35 | jelly | Flimzy: why would you want to mix "shorter release cycle" and "production server use"? |
| 15:07.39 | Flimzy | but figured I'd see if something else already exists before I duplicate the effort. |
| 15:07.51 | tralala | Flimzy, really old is something written in cobol. I don't think you'll find this in sarge. |
| 15:07.57 | Flimzy | tralala: hehe |
| 15:08.15 | abrotman | Flimzy: then don't ask us .. we're going to recommend debian |
| 15:08.26 | abrotman | tralala: there's a COBOL interpreter in debian IIRC |
| 15:08.34 | Flimzy | jelly: Because for Debian to be considered stable, _everything_ has to be stable, including things I don't care about for a server... like xorg and KDE and other rediculous crap. |
| 15:08.43 | abrotman | servers run xorg? |
| 15:08.45 | abrotman | and KDE? |
| 15:08.49 | tralala | really, if you want to be serious about it you have to use sarge |
| 15:08.50 | Flimzy | abrotman: Recommending debian is valid. |
| 15:08.57 | jelly | Flimzy: you're not going to run xorg and kde on the server anyway, so that's nt an issue |
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| 15:09.04 | Flimzy | abrotman: Exactly my point. Our servers don't use those things. But the Debian release cycle is still slowed down by them. |
| 15:09.06 | abrotman | that's an NT issue! :) |
| 15:09.09 | Xteven | hi |
| 15:09.13 | Flimzy | jelly: Exactly my point. |
| 15:09.16 | tralala | abrotman, I mean software written in cobol |
| 15:09.18 | abrotman | Flimzy: not really .. but you can think whatever you want |
| 15:09.25 | Xteven | how can I overlay an image with another (transparent) image using ImageMagick ? |
| 15:09.36 | zetetic | nobody here user tuxguardian? |
| 15:09.48 | Flimzy | abrotman: I believe I have a pretty good understanding of how the Debian release cycle works. |
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| 15:09.55 | jelly | Flimzy: I mean, what's wrong with using stable and maintaining only the selected few packages you need by yourself? |
| 15:10.06 | Flimzy | jelly: That's essentially what we'll be doing. |
| 15:10.13 | tralala | Flimzy, for a production server normarlly software ugrades are risks and hassles so the longer you have the software supported - the better |
| 15:10.17 | Flimzy | jelly: But like I said, if a similar effort already exists, why duplicate effort? |
| 15:10.24 | PingFloyd | Stick with sarge, it's tried and true and has undergone extensive QA |
| 15:10.28 | Flimzy | tralala: yes, I realize that. |
| 15:10.35 | abrotman | Flimzy: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/all.html .. some KDE/GNOME stuff .. but not majority |
| 15:10.44 | Flimzy | abrotman: KDE is just an example. |
| 15:10.53 | PingFloyd | if you need anything specifically new, then look to backports, or compile from source |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | okay .. so what on sarge is too old for you ? |
| 15:11.01 | Ronin | Flimzy: so dont run what you dont need and look into backports |
| 15:11.07 | tralala | Flimzy, then you should realize that short release cycle does not exactly fit with production server software in the same sentence. |
| 15:11.09 | PingFloyd | that way you start off with a very stable base that you can rely on |
| 15:11.13 | abrotman | i get a prize .. i think |
| 15:11.29 | jelly | Flimzy: what similar effort? I'm involved with a local distro like that, but I doube that you need exactly the same subset of packages as we are. |
| 15:11.30 | Ronin | !prize abrotman |
| 15:11.34 | Ronin | happy ;) |
| 15:11.36 | Flimzy | abrotman: the principle is that the more software that's supported in a release, the longer the release cycle will take. So a theoretically stable package, xyz, may not be released in a "stable" version of Debian until package abc is also stable. |
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| 15:12.06 | Flimzy | jelly: A similar effort, as in a server-oriented Debian distro (exactly what I asked about initially :P) |
| 15:12.24 | Flimzy | Ronin: Running backports is fundamentally the same thing as running testing. |
| 15:12.36 | jelly | Flimzy: like I said - you don't need shorter releases of the whole distro, just maintain your local repo. |
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| 15:12.50 | abrotman | either use sarge or sarge with backports or use etch |
| 15:12.52 | Flimzy | jelly: Right. I'd like shorter releases of everything that people don't use on a desktop system :) |
| 15:12.56 | Ronin | Flimzy: no its not |
| 15:13.10 | jelly | Flimzy: do you really _need_ everything? |
| 15:13.16 | Flimzy | jelly: No. I don't. |
| 15:13.26 | Flimzy | jelly: But if _everything_ already exists somewhere, then it will probably contain what I do need. |
| 15:13.35 | jelly | Flimzy: so use testing. |
| 15:13.38 | tralala | okay, who has farted! |
| 15:13.40 | Flimzy | I don't know why this is such an offensive question to people. |
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| 15:14.09 | jelly | Flimzy: you're reminding them of ubuntu :-) |
| 15:14.09 | Flimzy | My plan is to use a testing snapshot that we upgrade very 3-6 months as necessary. |
| 15:14.13 | Flimzy | jelly: hehe |
| 15:14.18 | Flimzy | jelly: Yes, that would be offensive |
| 15:14.29 | jelly | only they use sid snapshots. |
| 15:14.44 | fflush | why ppl like to live ont he bleeding edge |
| 15:14.50 | fflush | then when stuff breaksss |
| 15:14.54 | Ronin | fflush: its a sickness some folks have |
| 15:14.54 | fflush | they askeddd whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 15:15.02 | Flimzy | fflush: Which would be why I'm not interested in running true testing |
| 15:15.08 | PingFloyd | they don't understand how QA works |
| 15:15.09 | jelly | fflush: because it's good for the "production environment"! |
| 15:15.12 | fflush | then I say, you have what you asked for |
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| 15:15.17 | tralala | Flimzy, as long as you don't cry when you get owned or broken it's absolutely okay to use testing for a server |
| 15:15.19 | keith80403 | GNU Date question - I can get the so-called "Julian" date for a date like this: date -d "12/01/2006" '%j' ..... yielding 335 ..... I can't get the syntax to go in the opposite direction: date -d "335" '+%c' ..... Anyone know the correct syntax? |
| 15:15.24 | zetetic | ok my, nobody knows about tuxguardian? |
| 15:15.31 | PingFloyd | they seem to not understand the obvious that bleeding edge = less tested |
| 15:15.43 | Flimzy | tralala: well right now these boxen use FC3. I suspect testing will, in general, be less suseptable to breakage than FC3 |
| 15:15.47 | jelly | fflush: also, if you're getting paid on each release, it makes sense to make them often. ;-) |
| 15:15.56 | fflush | maybe that |
| 15:16.04 | fflush | if dont get fired first |
| 15:16.20 | fflush | after stuff stop working |
| 15:16.29 | Pryon | keith80403: Unfortunately, it's impossible to go from julian day to a specific date, since it could be for any year |
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| 15:16.39 | tralala | Flimzy, you can try and see for yourself. I personally feel that testing is very fragile |
| 15:17.08 | Flimzy | tralala: I use testing on most of my home boxes... And it seems to work __once I have it configured__. The breakage always happens at the time of a dist-upgrade. |
| 15:17.18 | keith80403 | Pryon, Right, I was hoping there would be a way to say "return the date for day 335 of THIS year." |
| 15:17.48 | Flimzy | tralala: If we use testing snapshots ever 3-6 months, and only upgrade production environments after thurough testing, I think that problem can be avoided. |
| 15:17.52 | itchi | Flimzy: You want the bleeding edge? bah, and use FC3?? |
| 15:18.07 | Flimzy | itchi: Yes, and it was of course my choice to use FC3 (HAHAHA) |
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| 15:18.13 | tralala | Flimzy, true. So if your server can have some downtime on every upgrade then you should be fine. I don't know how good the security support of testing is but you can figure that out. |
| 15:18.17 | itchi | Flimzy: 3? |
| 15:18.26 | itchi | Flimzy: So Woody will be very good for you! |
| 15:18.53 | Flimzy | itchi: FC3 is such a huge friggin pain in the ass. Aside from being FC... it's ancient. |
| 15:19.13 | itchi | Flimzy: I know, that's why i not use it :-p |
| 15:19.14 | Flimzy | Aside from getting away from stupid rpm management, a major goal is to be able to use newer software. |
| 15:19.24 | PingFloyd | here's another reason to stick with stable http://www.us.debian.org/security/faq#testing-security |
| 15:19.25 | Flimzy | itchi: And that's why I'm trying to get away from using it :) |
| 15:19.26 | pmv | haha |
| 15:19.28 | tralala | Flimzy, I haven't heard a valid reason for frequent software upgrades on the server though |
| 15:19.30 | pmv | ftw woody |
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| 15:20.00 | Flimzy | tralala: I wouldn't say we need _frequent_ upgrades. But the Debian release cycle takes the concept of infrequent upgrades to the extreme. |
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| 15:20.01 | pmv | tralala: uhhh, how about security updates? |
| 15:20.04 | fflush | it's the the upgrade fever |
| 15:20.04 | pmv | 0-day exploits and such |
| 15:20.08 | jelly | Flimzy: Wa have tried to create an automated upgrade woody -> sarge while sarge was still in testing, and it failed rather miserably... expect thing to break on upgrades between snapshots no matter what sort of precautions you took. |
| 15:20.18 | fflush | pmv: sarge has security updates |
| 15:20.22 | fflush | thats a non issue |
| 15:20.26 | Flimzy | jelly: aye. I've experienced that between stable upgrades, too. |
| 15:20.27 | tralala | pmv, testing is supposed to have security updates |
| 15:20.28 | pmv | fflush: I know |
| 15:20.52 | pmv | oh, are we debating woody vs sarge? :-))) |
| 15:21.04 | PingFloyd | if anything sarge gets the most attention for security updates |
| 15:21.23 | pmv | what I meant was, security updates certainly is a good reason for software upgrades |
| 15:21.23 | Flimzy | PingFloyd: I can always grab a security update directly from unstable and plop it into our local repository if necessary. |
| 15:21.29 | jelly | Flimzy: I don't see what is the lure of using snapshots of the whole distro, instead of doing backports of a few packages. |
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| 15:22.01 | Flimzy | jelly: I suppose it would be a valid approach to base our repository on stable + backports. |
| 15:22.21 | jelly | Flimzy: yep, that works (for us at least). |
| 15:22.29 | Ronin | gee that sounds familar Flimzy |
| 15:22.29 | tralala | Flimzy, why so? |
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| 15:22.41 | Flimzy | tralala: why so what? |
| 15:22.58 | Flimzy | jelly: I'm afraid that will ultimately make upgrading harder, though... (whenever a new stable release actually exists) |
| 15:23.10 | tralala | Flimzy, did you forget already what you last told me? |
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| 15:23.31 | Flimzy | tralala: I'm carrying on a conversation with about 4 people. |
| 15:23.54 | Flimzy | tralala: I don't know which part(s) you're replying to. |
| 15:23.55 | h3sp4wn | As soon as the hard freeze begins etch gets full security support (according to the e-mails) be easier to base on etch |
| 15:24.11 | h3sp4wn | (considering getting everything working properly would take time anyway) |
| 15:24.15 | zetetic | I see fireflier is in debian repositories. anybody here has experience with fireflier? |
| 15:24.27 | tralala | Flimzy, anyway I fail to see why server software should be updated every couple of years |
| 15:24.42 | Flimzy | tralala: It of course depends on what the server is doing. |
| 15:25.02 | Flimzy | tralala: So far we've survived without an upgrade since FC3 came out (whenever that was) |
| 15:25.02 | tralala | Flimzy, perhaps you can give an example |
| 15:25.12 | fflush | yeah |
| 15:25.26 | fflush | I fail to see the NEED for upgrades on the so calle dproduction serve |
| 15:25.35 | Flimzy | tralala: But we've outgrown FC3. We need newer versions of iptables, mysql, and probably a dozen other things. |
| 15:25.51 | jelly | Flimzy: it won't if you don't mess with your backports too much. Those from backports.org are usually kept in good shape and can be upgraded to new stable easily, since they (mostly) actually are versions from the next release. For stuff you build yourself, well, you have to take care of it by yourself. |
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| 15:26.17 | tralala | Flimzy, why? |
| 15:26.44 | Flimzy | tralala: Why do we need newer versions? Because we need features that don't exist in the older versions. That would seem to be the obvious answer :P |
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| 15:27.19 | fflush | that looks more a development server |
| 15:27.19 | tralala | I have the feeling that you say "need" when you want to say "want" |
| 15:27.33 | jelly | tralala: you DON'T want to have a running system older than 2-3 years. We have a woody machine here and it's going to be a real PITA to upgrade it. |
| 15:27.36 | itchi | Flimzy: Is FC3 apps decenter as these of Debian Sarge? |
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| 15:27.49 | Flimzy | tralala: yes, you're right. We don't need the ability to do connection tracking in iptables. We just *want* to minimize some DoS attacks. |
| 15:28.09 | tralala | jelly, in some cases you don't want to touch the server until something breaks |
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| 15:28.13 | Flimzy | itchi: I'm not actually sure. I think sarge may have newer versions of a few things. |
| 15:28.22 | jelly | tralala: that's a bad policy. |
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| 15:28.41 | xsdg | tralala: umm... have you heard of "preventative maintenance"? |
| 15:28.41 | abrotman | jelly: i doubt woody->etch will be doable |
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| 15:29.07 | itchi | Flimzy: Near sure too here, i had begin with RH then migrated to FC and from there to here |
| 15:29.11 | xsdg | tralala: or are you saying "let's not upgrade apps with security holes until we get rooted"? |
| 15:29.13 | jelly | abrotman: I'm well aware... it's not my machine. :-) /me whistles away |
| 15:29.23 | itchi | Flimzy: It was FC3 when i had leave it |
| 15:29.36 | Flimzy | itchi: I do, however, know that the version of mysql that our developer wants is _not_ in sarge. |
| 15:29.50 | itchi | Flimzy: Which one? |
| 15:29.51 | tralala | jelly, true, however in the real world the cost of doing things tends to overweight good policy sometimes |
| 15:29.52 | Flimzy | itchi: That's not to say he _needs_ that version... hehe... |
| 15:30.00 | Flimzy | itchi: I'm not sure which version he wants... he's not here today to ask. |
| 15:30.09 | tralala | xsdg, not every production server is exposed |
| 15:30.14 | Flimzy | IIRC, stable has mysql 4.x and he wants 5.x... and FC3 has 3.x |
| 15:30.16 | jelly | tralala: delaying upgrades like that costs more in the long run. |
| 15:30.17 | PingFloyd | see if it's in backports then |
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| 15:30.28 | Flimzy | PingFloyd: It is. |
| 15:30.28 | itchi | Flimzy: You need to look to these backports. If the package is not yet already build, do it and share the work |
| 15:30.32 | mo1991 | any word on the release date of Etch? |
| 15:30.38 | Flimzy | mo1991: When it's done. |
| 15:30.42 | pmv | hehe |
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| 15:30.45 | xsdg | tralala: in general, production servers are "exposed"; it's just what they're exposed to isn't the same in all cases |
| 15:30.45 | Ronin | beat me to it Flimzy |
| 15:30.55 | zetetic | which is better? fireflier or tuxguardian? |
| 15:31.07 | tralala | xsdg, shall we start arguing about expressions now? |
| 15:31.07 | Flimzy | 90% of our servers will sit behind a firewall |
| 15:31.17 | Flimzy | And many are not accessable from the 'net at all. |
| 15:31.22 | stew | mo1991: /msg dpkg wwer (/topic) |
| 15:31.26 | xsdg | tralala: actually, that's enough for now; I need to get back to work |
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| 15:31.32 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.43 | mo1991 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.54 | tralala | jelly, if only I could beat long term planning into the management heads... |
| 15:31.54 | zimnyx | Do you know open source translation app that supports TMX format? |
| 15:32.06 | stew | mo1991: "/msg dpkg wwer" without the leading space |
| 15:32.06 | Malagmyr | When a phpbb forum sends mail through my postfix server, it also sends the mail to noreply@my.forum.address. my.forum.address is a valid domain, but on that machine is a mail server for another.domain, which doesn't accept the mail to my.forum.domain. This causes postfix to rewrite the message so the sender is another.domain, and every user recieves a mail from noreply@another.domain instead of noreply@my.forum.address. Why is it doin |
| 15:32.06 | Malagmyr | g this? Can I stop it? |
| 15:32.11 | itchi | mo1991: Just type '/msg dpkg wwer' withouth the both ' ' |
| 15:32.18 | itchi | hehe |
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| 15:33.09 | zetetic | it seems nobody here can help. where can I get help about application control/filtering firewalls? |
| 15:33.24 | jelly | tralala: usually a catastrophe or two does the trick. ;-) |
| 15:33.31 | valdyn | zetetic: http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 15:33.38 | DavidProck1982 | how can i make it so another pc on my network can see a folder on my pc |
| 15:33.58 | tralala | Flimzy, maintainance costs of frequently upgraded server are higher |
| 15:34.07 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: you're talking about windows pcs? |
| 15:34.14 | DavidProck1982 | no |
| 15:34.17 | pmv | zetetic: application-specific help isn't always available around here ;-) |
| 15:34.26 | DavidProck1982 | both r debian linux |
| 15:34.28 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: which desktop environment are you running? |
| 15:34.38 | DavidProck1982 | kde on both |
| 15:34.40 | stew | zetetic: read the iptables howto / ask in #iptables |
| 15:34.41 | zetetic | valdyn: thank you very much, I will check the link |
| 15:34.42 | Flimzy | tralala: I'm not sure I completely agree with that. |
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| 15:35.02 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: iirc, in konqueror use the url : fish://server/ |
| 15:35.07 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: or similar |
| 15:35.14 | tralala | jelly, I wish it did. This year we've had failure of the firewall, webserver, proxy/mail server etc but I don't see any improvements of the maintainance planning out of it |
| 15:35.18 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: nothing to setup |
| 15:35.23 | DavidProck1982 | what do u mean |
| 15:35.36 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: most likely i mean what i said |
| 15:35.42 | zetetic | stew, pmw: thanks, I'm new here, I'm still learning |
| 15:35.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:35.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:36.09 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Maybe you are interesting to mount an remote fs throught ssh, look for shfs |
| 15:36.10 | tralala | Flimzy, well, only if you maintain it properly, of course - otherwise you could just wait for the disaster to happen |
| 15:36.29 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: try both i guess, 'ssh://server/' and 'fish://server/' i dont have konqueror installed here |
| 15:36.30 | DavidProck1982 | the file sender is 192.168.1.100 and the file getter is 192.168.1.101 can you please make an example |
| 15:37.03 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: on 192.168.1.101 start konqueror and go to the URL fish://192.168.1.100/ |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 15:37.05 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 15:37.15 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Wait |
| 15:37.17 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: or maybe ssh:// heck i dont know |
| 15:37.20 | Flimzy | tralala: Well naturally, we do intend to mantain it "properly" :) |
| 15:37.26 | zetetic | I have been a Windows (or DOS) power user for more than 15 years :) |
| 15:37.37 | tralala | Flimzy, I would think so |
| 15:37.39 | Flimzy | zetetic: Windows power users use Linux. |
| 15:37.57 | zetetic | now I'm starting from zero, on Linux |
| 15:37.58 | tralala | btw we are still running without the firewall that crashed in the spring... |
| 15:38.14 | zetetic | Flimzy: lol good point! |
| 15:38.20 | Flimzy | tralala: And with probably only a dozen packages on top of the base system, that shouldn't be _too_ difficult |
| 15:38.35 | itchi | DavidProck1982: When you start kongueror, on the 'home' page, you can click on 'Network Folders'. Then 'Add an Network Folder'. And fill the things in, use ssh maybe |
| 15:38.56 | valdyn | or that |
| 15:39.06 | itchi | DavidProck1982: There's an litthe ssh GUI too, secpanel |
| 15:39.17 | tralala | Flimzy, I guess it should be easier to get rid of the sns syndrome |
| 15:39.23 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: its just easy |
| 15:39.25 | itchi | DavidProck1982: For on your diabolic boxes use winscp |
| 15:39.26 | Flimzy | tralala: sns? |
| 15:39.29 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: same as going to a website |
| 15:39.30 | tralala | !sns syndrome |
| 15:39.31 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 15:39.39 | DavidProck1982 | k |
| 15:39.42 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 15:39.56 | tralala | no really |
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| 15:40.41 | PingFloyd | coincidentally, it seems that sns users tend to have to most problems |
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| 15:41.02 | valdyn | !aiglx |
| 15:41.03 | dpkg | from memory, aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 15:41.42 | Flimzy | So the next question... regardless of whether I use stable + backports or testing... What's the easiest way to initially populate my repository with the .deb's and source packages? Will I just need to manually download everything from the mirror of choice? |
| 15:41.43 | mo1991 | if I update my system to Etch rc1 to my system now - will I have to reinstall when Etch official comes out or can I just apt-get install update and everything will update to ETch official? |
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| 15:41.51 | tralala | after lots of time playing with testing/unstable I reallized that I simply want software that works. Anything more that apt-get install is too much for me. When I want to waiste some time now I hang around here instead of using testing/unstable. |
| 15:42.16 | _deepfire | hmm, amaya in unstable crashes on start |
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| 15:42.46 | _deepfire | X error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:42.51 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:42.51 | tralala | Flimzy, why do you want to do this? |
| 15:42.53 | Flimzy | tralala: testing breaks frequently for me at home. But it's practically always some peripheral package like xorg |
| 15:42.56 | _deepfire | Details: serial 20338 error_code 8 request_code 143 minor_code 5 |
| 15:43.00 | valdyn | dpkg, aiglx =~ s/protocol. /protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia driver's ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done./ |
| 15:43.00 | dpkg | valdyn: OK |
| 15:43.00 | Flimzy | tralala: Do what? |
| 15:43.02 | stew | mo1991: you'd be able to update when etch releases> note that etch is not yet getting timely security updates |
| 15:43.07 | tralala | Flimzy, download all |
| 15:43.16 | mo1991 | I use stable (sarge) and only use packages from official / backports / mutlimedia and a few other individual packages added manually |
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| 15:43.44 | Flimzy | tralala: i don't wnat to download _all_. I just want to download the specific packages I want in my repo. |
| 15:43.52 | mo1991 | Stable + backports has most of the stuff as testing but without all the dependancy problems and without crashes |
| 15:43.56 | Flimzy | tralala: I'd probably start with whatever debootstrap gets. |
| 15:43.59 | tralala | Flimzy, yes but testing needs your admin to be involved in the security support |
| 15:44.00 | DavidProck1982 | ok im stuck |
| 15:44.01 | Flimzy | tralala: Then build from there. |
| 15:44.03 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.04 | dpkg | OK, valdyn |
| 15:44.17 | Flimzy | tralala: That would be my job. |
| 15:44.21 | tralala | Flimzy, you want to build from source? |
| 15:44.30 | DavidProck1982 | how can i make one a ftp server |
| 15:44.36 | Flimzy | tralala: I want to have the source available. I won't necissarily build every package from source. But some I will. |
| 15:44.43 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: why would you do that? |
| 15:45.06 | DavidProck1982 | need to put a bunch of stuff on the other pc |
| 15:45.07 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: what's wrong with what itchi told you? |
| 15:45.07 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Use ssh! ftp must die! |
| 15:45.11 | abrotman | isn't this why they invited ubuntu ? |
| 15:45.19 | DavidProck1982 | i could not figure it out |
| 15:45.32 | mo1991 | stew - do u use etch? Curious as to the stablility - been using sarge since it went stable - in your opinion how close is etch to sarge stability wise - just home server but don't like rebooting |
| 15:45.35 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: the fact that you cant use his SIMPLE instructions don't make setting up ftp a good idea |
| 15:45.35 | DavidProck1982 | i need guidence in ssh |
| 15:45.45 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Peace of cake, once you know how, try to find out how you get it working ;-) |
| 15:46.03 | tralala | Flimzy, and why is it that you want them locally? |
| 15:46.17 | DavidProck1982 | in remote:/ i see 3 things , which one do i use |
| 15:46.25 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Look scp -r * 192.168.0.36:~/here |
| 15:46.30 | valdyn | ( not like typing a specific URL is hard either ) |
| 15:46.37 | Flimzy | tralala: We'll be running our own repository... it's hard to do that without having the packages locally :P |
| 15:46.54 | stew | mo1991: i use etch. its stability in regards to crashiness is probably fine. its stability in regards to changing is that its still changing daily. for a server it should be stable, but if it is exposed to the internet, you should be mindful of the security concerns |
| 15:46.54 | DavidProck1982 | is that a command "scp -r * 192.168.0.36:~/here" |
| 15:46.55 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Mook to man ssh if you will do in in the cli, there are litthe GUI tools, if you are to lazy |
| 15:47.08 | itchi | DavidProck1982: s/Mook/Look/ |
| 15:47.12 | tralala | Flimzy, well why are you running your own repository? |
| 15:47.23 | Flimzy | tralala: Were you sleeping during our conversation the last 30 minutes? |
| 15:47.38 | tralala | I kind of missed this one |
| 15:47.56 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Yeah, maybe some black magie, if you want |
| 15:48.10 | Flimzy | Well then suffice it to say that we are running our own repository for reasons that are top secret (or in your backlog, whichever you prefer) :P |
| 15:48.45 | itchi | DavidProck1982: I have make an copy of the curentdire (recursive -r) to 192.168.0.36 in his home folder in the dir 'here' |
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| 15:49.00 | tralala | Flimzy, you have an interesting way to ask for help |
| 15:49.03 | itchi | shit, need to tuxtype a bit haha |
| 15:49.19 | Flimzy | tralala: You have an interesting way of avoiding helping. hehe |
| 15:49.59 | tralala | I did my best to convince you that you want to go for stable. This is my way of helping. |
| 15:50.17 | Flimzy | tralala: Sure. That part is fine. |
| 15:50.31 | Flimzy | tralala: I was refering to the part about setting up a repository. |
| 15:50.34 | stew | oh was there actually a question? |
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| 15:50.41 | Flimzy | "How do I set up a repository" is not answered by "Why?" |
| 15:50.53 | stew | Flimzy: /msg dpkg repository |
| 15:51.00 | Flimzy | stew: No, I know that part. |
| 15:51.06 | tralala | Now I'm trying to figure out if you really need your own repository and what kind of repository you need so I can see if I can recommend anything. |
| 15:51.34 | Flimzy | Well yes, we do need our own repository. |
| 15:51.41 | Flimzy | Because we will be customizing many packages. |
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| 15:51.49 | Flimzy | as well as adding our own. |
| 15:51.56 | stew | Flimzy: which part don't you know? |
| 15:52.07 | PingFloyd | it gives a link to the howto |
| 15:52.13 | jelly | Flimzy: many as in 5, 50 or 500? |
| 15:52.26 | Flimzy | stew: The question was "What's the best way to grab a partial snapshot from an official mirror?" |
| 15:52.30 | stew | Flimzy: apt-cache search deb mirror ? |
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| 15:53.11 | Flimzy | stew: Hmm. handy. |
| 15:53.14 | stew | Flimzy: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 15:53.28 | mo1991 | stew - servers I run are ssh, x11vnc -with pass, ftp, ssh, gnutella, fasttrack, bittorrent, openft, samba, apache, - all other ports are closed on my firewall? Do I really need to be worried about running these fairly common servers (open ports) with Etch? |
| 15:53.41 | tralala | Flimzy, why don't you just maintain a repository of your own packages and use a standard debian mirror for the standard stuff? |
| 15:53.45 | x_link | Is there any program language in Debian? |
| 15:53.53 | x_link | That comes with Debian Testing? |
| 15:53.54 | stew | mo1991: yes. apache was vulnerable for many months in etch, might still be |
| 15:53.57 | DavidProck1982 | OK i fucking lost |
| 15:54.01 | Flimzy | jelly: Not sure exactly. To begin, we will probably be customizing half a dozen packages... And perhaps compiling a dozen or so with specific optimizations. |
| 15:54.05 | valdyn | Flimzy: the dpkg-scanpackages manpage should tell all you need for a custom repo |
| 15:54.09 | x_link | I just want to see how a it looks. |
| 15:54.33 | stew | x_link: what exactly are you after? |
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| 15:54.48 | Flimzy | tralala: For reasons already discussed... 1) I don't want to wait on the Debian 'stable' release cycle, and 2) I don't want to be at the mercy of arbitrary bugs in testing. |
| 15:55.06 | mo1991 | stew - just curious - what did the vulnerability allow an intruder to access? |
| 15:55.10 | stew | mo1991: yes |
| 15:55.15 | stew | mo1991: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 15:55.21 | Flimzy | tralala: By operating our own repo we can use snapshots of testing and apply new versions only as necessary. |
| 15:55.37 | DavidProck1982 | please help me on the ftp |
| 15:55.39 | centrx | x_link many programming languages are in Debian testing |
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| 15:55.53 | tralala | Flimzy, well as I said you'll maintain your own repo but only for your onw/customized packages |
| 15:55.54 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: ssh is much better and easier to set up, why ftp? |
| 15:56.04 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: using ssh being 'hard' is no reason |
| 15:56.13 | x_link | centrx: Okey. |
| 15:56.14 | x_link | Like? |
| 15:56.18 | tralala | Flimzy, this way you won't need to bother mirroring debian |
| 15:56.20 | DavidProck1982 | i need HELP on ssh then, can u tell me step by step |
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| 15:56.43 | Flimzy | tralala: Sure. But when Mr. Jon Doe package mantainer upgrades to the new version of magic-mta, and it breaks something... |
| 15:56.43 | Ronin | DavidProck1982: at what part? man ssh, man scp, man sftp, google? |
| 15:56.43 | tralala | Flimzy, unless you want to step on testing |
| 15:56.45 | Flimzy | tralala: I want to keep using the local version of magic-mta, instead of the mantainer's version. |
| 15:56.54 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: start konqueror, enter ssh://192.168.1.100/ in the address bar |
| 15:57.02 | DavidProck1982 | will you tell me what to do |
| 15:57.20 | Flimzy | tralala: The same problem will exist whether using testing or stable + backports. Either way a broken package can be uploaded without our control. |
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| 15:57.31 | mo1991 | stew - thanks |
| 15:57.38 | DavidProck1982 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.100 port 22: Connection refused |
| 15:57.49 | tralala | Flimzy, okay I see. |
| 15:58.00 | CharminTheMoose | good afternoon all |
| 15:58.05 | Flimzy | tralala: And for such a small subset of Debian software, it won't be a big archive anyway. |
| 15:58.18 | DavidProck1982 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.100 port 22: Connection refused |
| 15:58.21 | itchi | DavidProck1982: 1) Firewall? 2) Is there been an ssh server running on it? |
| 15:58.55 | DavidProck1982 | dont know about a firewall, if there is one then it is debian's default |
| 15:58.57 | Flimzy | tralala: And we probably need to mantain our own repo legally anyway since we'll be distributing the software; we'll need to make the source code available, too. |
| 15:59.03 | mo1991 | stew - what are your thoughts on the AMD64 version of Etch? Is it equally compelete as i385 etch? Has openoffice, flash, wine, etc now? |
| 15:59.04 | plutonas | is there a laptop option on the new d-i? |
| 15:59.08 | DavidProck1982 | i told my router to DMZ me so |
| 15:59.12 | Flimzy | tralala: The easiest way to do that is with a Debian source repo :) |
| 15:59.17 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Do dpkg -l *ssh* on the remote host |
| 15:59.23 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: try sftp instead of ssh |
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| 15:59.41 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Is th |
| 15:59.42 | DavidProck1982 | give a example on the sftp |
| 15:59.52 | plutonas | !laptop |
| 15:59.52 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 15:59.52 | Ronin | man sftp |
| 15:59.54 | itchi | DavidProck1982: You get an list, is the openssh-server installed |
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| 15:59.57 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: start konqueror, enter sftp://192.168.1.100/ in the address bar |
| 16:00.01 | lindenle | Hey my amarok is behaving weird in gnome, the fonts dissapear when I mouse over them. Anyone know what the deal is (debian testing) |
| 16:00.02 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: start konqueror, enter fish://192.168.1.100/ in the address bar |
| 16:00.26 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: one of the above 2 should work, if your 192.168.1.100 is a non-firewalled standard debian box |
| 16:00.29 | plutonas | Is there a laptop option on the new D-I? |
| 16:00.36 | DavidProck1982 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.37 | stew | mo1991: its as complete as i386 wrt debian software. flash isn't available, i don't know about wine |
| 16:00.53 | mo1991 | openoffice? |
| 16:01.03 | itchi | I'm not yet sure if an ssh server is been installed default |
| 16:01.05 | stew | mo1991: http://packages.debian.org/openoffice.org |
| 16:01.11 | plutonas | nobody knows? |
| 16:01.11 | valdyn | itchi: it is |
| 16:01.16 | itchi | valdyn: okay |
| 16:01.18 | DavidProck1982 | maby it is not set up |
| 16:01.19 | tralala | Flimzy, if you know what you'll need you can just download it all together and you have your repo. Otherwise you might install and configure the target machine and use the cached packages for the repo |
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| 16:01.26 | stew | plutonas: the last couple of debian versions had a laptop task, i don't see why they would have removed it |
| 16:01.27 | DavidProck1982 | how would i find out |
| 16:01.48 | Flimzy | tralala: yeah, I could use the apt cache, but that doesn't include sources. But it's a step in the right direction anyway. |
| 16:01.50 | plutonas | stew: thank you... |
| 16:01.59 | itchi | DavidProck1982: At least, it work without any /special/ setup, you can fine tune it |
| 16:02.03 | valdyn | DavidProck1982: run in a shell, as root 'netstat -plunt | grep ssh' on 192.168.1.100 |
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| 16:02.28 | tralala | Flimzy, a simple script should be able to download the sources for all the cached .debs |
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| 16:02.39 | stew | DavidProck1982: did you install ssh on both machines? |
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| 16:03.09 | E-bola | Is it possible to use rsync to backup a server that doesnt have rsync installed? Like over ssh |
| 16:03.18 | valdyn | E-bola: yes, read the manpage |
| 16:03.20 | DavidProck1982 | i dont know how to install ssh |
| 16:03.28 | stew | DavidProck1982: aptitude install ssh |
| 16:03.36 | E-bola | valdyn: it just says it does it over ssh |
| 16:03.47 | E-bola | its not clear, to me, if it requires rsync on the remote box |
| 16:03.48 | valdyn | E-bola: why you question then? |
| 16:03.48 | plutonas | another question: i have a usb stick wich filesystem is vfat, from windows i can read and write really fast, on it, on debian, i can only read fast from it, but to write it takes centuries. To fill its 1gb i need ~2.5 hours, to read it (when its full) i need ~5-10 mins. Why is that? |
| 16:03.51 | itchi | DavidProck1982: aptitude install foo, but that's not yet the quesiton, first look if it's installed maybe, or all the stuff of it dpkg -l *ssh* |
| 16:03.51 | tralala | Flimzy, but you'll excuse me if I have my doubts for your abilities to create a better server distro than debian stable |
| 16:03.55 | stew | E-bola: no, rsync needs to be isntaled on both sides |
| 16:04.03 | E-bola | stew: heh thought so |
| 16:04.05 | E-bola | see valdyn? |
| 16:04.12 | valdyn | E-bola: uh, you mean no rsync binary, i thought you meant server.. |
| 16:04.16 | valdyn | E-bola: yes |
| 16:04.23 | Flimzy | tralala: yes. We've been over that. I think we disagree on my needs :) |
| 16:04.31 | E-bola | stew: know of any alternatives? Ive been looking at mounting a filesys over ssh |
| 16:04.34 | E-bola | but its not THAT smart |
| 16:04.36 | Flimzy | tralala: Generally speaking, I would agree with you, though. |
| 16:04.37 | valdyn | E-bola: scp |
| 16:04.46 | E-bola | i need ot backup an old sco unix box |
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| 16:04.49 | stew | E-bola: you can't just install rsync? |
| 16:04.50 | E-bola | and i cant install anything on it |
| 16:04.51 | stew | oh |
| 16:04.51 | tralala | Flimzy, well good luck |
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| 16:05.06 | stew | E-bola: honestly i dunno other than tar and ssh |
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| 16:05.17 | Flimzy | E-bola: You need to do NFS over SSH? |
| 16:05.18 | E-bola | so far sshfs is the most promising |
| 16:05.19 | itchi | E-bola: shfs look to it |
| 16:05.27 | valdyn | E-bola: tar is also not on that box? |
| 16:05.30 | E-bola | itchi: ya been looking at that |
| 16:05.30 | plutonas | nobody else with an usb-stick, that can help me? |
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| 16:05.38 | E-bola | valdyn: tar is on it, very old but its there |
| 16:05.42 | itchi | E-bola: Usefull and easy, you will see |
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| 16:05.54 | valdyn | E-bola: you can tar up the system and send stuff over ssh |
| 16:05.55 | arunkumaran | hello friends |
| 16:06.00 | E-bola | my problem is i need a frontend to handle deleting old backups etc |
| 16:06.08 | geemark | what is that command for testing which key is pressed on the keyboard? how do I listen to e.g. /dev/input/event0 for debugging |
| 16:06.09 | arunkumaran | is it better to download the net isnt iso or the iso of the first cd... |
| 16:06.14 | arunkumaran | im trying ETCH testing |
| 16:06.17 | DavidProck1982 | ok ssh is installed |
| 16:06.18 | Flimzy | E-bola: Have you looked at amanda? |
| 16:06.37 | E-bola | Flimzy: nope that seemed so huge, isnt it mainly for tape's etc? |
| 16:06.37 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Client or server? dpkg -l had help you |
| 16:06.37 | Flimzy | E-bola: Aside from the fact that she is SMOKIN' HOT... she's an automated network backup tool of somesort. |
| 16:06.41 | DavidProck1982 | server |
| 16:06.46 | stew | Flimzy: i think the chances that amanda is installed by rsync isn't is probably low |
| 16:06.47 | Flimzy | E-bola: I don't know. I haven't actually used it. |
| 16:06.58 | Flimzy | stew: probably a fair assumption :) |
| 16:07.11 | itchi | DavidProck1982: On the other side, you need the client, if it's not already installed, look with dpkg -l *ssh* !!! |
| 16:07.16 | arunkumaran | hi |
| 16:07.17 | E-bola | well maybe u coudl use amanda as a backend? |
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| 16:07.32 | arunkumaran | is it better to go for net isnt or the first cd alone for ETCH |
| 16:07.36 | stew | E-bola: amanda requires software to be installed on both sides |
| 16:07.41 | E-bola | stew: bummer |
| 16:07.43 | lindenle | Ok it is actually all kde apps in gnome which are having this problem for me. |
| 16:08.12 | E-bola | Anybody know a simple backup script that lets u do daily backups and specify how long retension you want? |
| 16:08.20 | valdyn | E-bola: dirvish |
| 16:08.34 | stew | valdyn: that requires rsync |
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| 16:08.52 | valdyn | stew: yea, im assuming he can use sshfs anyway |
| 16:09.01 | E-bola | prolly gonna end up with sshfs |
| 16:09.04 | stew | ah |
| 16:09.05 | E-bola | its not that bad i guess |
| 16:09.10 | E-bola | just an anoying extra layer |
| 16:09.19 | itchi | E-bola: Kug |
| 16:09.31 | Ronin | arunkumaran: settle down |
| 16:09.37 | E-bola | hmm google cant find kug itchi |
| 16:09.40 | stew | arunkumaran: netinst if it has a broadband connection |
| 16:09.40 | Ronin | arunkumaran: what kind of connection does teh target computer have? |
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| 16:09.55 | arunkumaran | i have broadband connection |
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| 16:10.00 | itchi | E-bola: Maybe, ah, OOooo |
| 16:10.04 | arunkumaran | but can use that only during the nights |
| 16:10.05 | Ronin | then use the netinsta |
| 16:10.15 | Ronin | arunkumaran: ? |
| 16:10.24 | arunkumaran | Ronin: thanks |
| 16:10.37 | lindenle | Ill try to update kdebase an see if that helps |
| 16:10.37 | itchi | E-bola: It's not suff, just a sad joke |
| 16:10.42 | arunkumaran | Ronin: its like its free during the nights 9pm to 8 am |
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| 16:11.02 | Ronin | arunkumaran: well thats odd to say the least, |
| 16:11.05 | arunkumaran | Ronin: but i have to pay for every mb used from 8am to 9 pm |
| 16:11.18 | arunkumaran | Ronin: im fron India..:P |
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| 16:12.33 | arunkumaran | thats the reason i was in doubt whether to use netinst or a simple one from a single cd and then download the rest using apt |
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| 16:18.56 | E-bola | Hmmm how to automount an sshfs filesys on bootup.... |
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| 16:22.19 | stew | E-bola: man fstab |
| 16:23.18 | tarzeau | damn GNU GRUB can't start mac os x? |
| 16:23.33 | yang | What is the size of BASE installation, can it fit on to a 130MB drive (no swap)? |
| 16:23.45 | lindenle | still screwy could this be an X problem, I also saw the same type of behavior when i was using the login manager |
| 16:24.13 | stew | yang: no, i think its closer to double that |
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| 16:24.36 | petemc | tarzeau: efi? i think theres work being done on that |
| 16:24.51 | yang | any other distro that fit's on a 100mb drive? |
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| 16:25.01 | tarzeau | yeah EFI GPT |
| 16:25.05 | Ronin | yang: dsl perhaps |
| 16:25.45 | yang | Ronin: this is what i am trying to do for a whole day allready, but it won't boot correctly from a floppy |
| 16:25.52 | abrotman | E-bola: put it in the fstab |
| 16:25.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
| 16:26.01 | itchi | yang: dsl |
| 16:26.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: blame Apple |
| 16:26.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: i blame debian. my MAC OS X is GONE! |
| 16:26.48 | fflush | humm |
| 16:26.56 | fflush | install yaboot ? |
| 16:26.59 | jelly | tarzeau: I blame you, Pikachu! |
| 16:27.02 | tarzeau | fflush: it's an intel mac |
| 16:27.03 | abrotman | tarzeau: your fault for not reading the install docs .. even i didn't lose OSX |
| 16:27.09 | lindenle | anybody else havin this weird redraw problem in etch? |
| 16:27.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: it WAS THERE |
| 16:27.16 | abrotman | you did it |
| 16:27.19 | tarzeau | i have many times dual booted it |
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| 16:28.21 | Azar | mac is so self-sufficient that decided it is time to leave a box where was forced to share with a linux distro... |
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| 16:30.05 | jelly | If I have two RAID1 in a stripe, is that RAID0+1 or RAID10? I think the former... |
| 16:30.49 | jelly | ... and I'm wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redundant_array_of_independent_disks#RAID_0.2B1 |
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| 16:30.52 | abrotman | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID :) |
| 16:31.09 | jelly | abrotman: yeah, I'm being stupid. Again. |
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| 16:37.27 | jelly | Ah, this might be usable for my Oracle installation: :-) http://ohlssonvox.8k.com/fdd_raid.htm |
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| 16:37.44 | jelly | (raid5 over 5 usb floppies) |
| 16:38.35 | pmv | night all |
| 16:38.36 | pmv | been a long day |
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| 16:44.01 | dragan | is it possible to get 256 color in a vt with vesafb. in menu.lst i have a vga=0x307 option which should in principle give 256 color, but it does not! Any suggestions!? |
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| 16:45.17 | karsten | dragan: Is there any way to query the fb state, say, similar to xdpywinfo under X? |
| 16:45.32 | karsten | dragan: My suggestion would be to see if there is, and if the fb state you got is the one you requested. |
| 16:45.56 | karsten | dragan: ...which also calls to mind how it is you're determining that you don't have 256 color. |
| 16:46.09 | dragan | karsten: there is fbset |
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| 16:46.18 | karsten | dragan: OK. |
| 16:46.29 | dragan | karsten: by using some perl scripts |
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| 16:47.38 | dragan | and elinks support for 256 does not work either |
| 16:47.46 | karsten | Ah. |
| 16:48.11 | karsten | The "text-mode" browsers are becoming quite misnamed these days. |
| 16:48.45 | CharminTheMoose | may i make i suggestion that we start linking ubuntu users to my DNU program,just to make sure that they will,from now on know that #Debian is Not #Ubuntu? |
| 16:48.45 | openexit | lol |
| 16:48.57 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: DNU? |
| 16:49.05 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: if they cant tell by the spelling alone they may never get it |
| 16:50.05 | CharminTheMoose | karsten:Yeah,a small c++ program that i wrote that prints #debian is not #ubuntu about 10,000 times on their terminal |
| 16:50.08 | dragan | fbset is showing "rgba 6/0,6/0,6/0,0/". any clues? |
| 16:50.18 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Ah. |
| 16:50.20 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: heh nasty, i love it |
| 16:50.37 | dragan | missing one more 0 at the end |
| 16:50.43 | openexit | lol |
| 16:50.51 | CharminTheMoose | http://downstairscomputer.homelinux.net:81/irc |
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| 16:50.59 | CharminTheMoose | completely gpled |
| 16:51.38 | Ronin | heh may have to get that and modify it, im in a couple help channels where folks insist on trying !list |
| 16:52.09 | openexit | CharminTheMoose - email it to ian, see if we can get it added to .bashrc on ubuntu |
| 16:54.00 | CharminTheMoose | openexit:lol |
| 16:54.09 | openexit | ;) |
| 16:55.07 | CharminTheMoose | 'tis a simple and silly script. |
| 16:55.41 | pickcoder | you used C++ to print text? |
| 16:55.47 | pickcoder | talk about overdesigning |
| 16:55.49 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:56.06 | openexit | // Bash script by petemc |
| 16:56.06 | openexit | // Original idea and conversion to c++ by CharminTheMoose |
| 16:56.10 | openexit | you sad cunt :p |
| 16:56.12 | jooopyme | when running 'rsync -avu' , everytime it copies all the files. but the files are the same. I just want to update the files. |
| 16:56.23 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 16:56.42 | CharminTheMoose | yes,i'm quite sad |
| 16:57.11 | openexit | CharminTheMoose - i demand a perl version |
| 16:57.32 | Ronin | openexit: nice little irssi script? |
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| 16:57.58 | openexit | sure why not =) |
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| 16:58.43 | openexit | thats ok.. i'll settle for a python or tcl version |
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| 16:58.54 | openexit | perl is shit anyways :p |
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| 16:59.03 | pickcoder | that's why it's so widely used |
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| 16:59.42 | openexit | im not about to start a language war, i go home in 1min |
| 16:59.45 | Xteven | does anyone know if it's possible to pipe a mail through some custom command, from mutt ? |
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| 17:00.11 | PingFloyd | what's there to war about, it's about picking the right language for the job |
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| 17:00.35 | PingFloyd | whichever one takes the least amount work for what you want to do is the idea |
| 17:00.57 | pickcoder | PingFloyd: there's a lot of coders who use one hammer and turn everything into a nail |
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| 17:01.13 | Detox_away | can anyone recommend a good partitioning scheme for a server? This is my first time setting up,,, and I really don't want to run out of space cause of having a partition too small |
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| 17:01.22 | bdc34 | joopyme: if the time on the servers is not in sync you might get that, look at rsync's option --checksum |
| 17:01.43 | Detox_away | it will be heavy with database |
| 17:01.56 | pickcoder | Detox_away: then let the installer setup LVM. You can add new disks to the volumes without disturbing the FS |
| 17:02.21 | Detox_away | hmmm never used lvm |
| 17:02.32 | pickcoder | I played with it for like 10 minutes |
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| 17:03.16 | Detox_away | ok will back out to that point ,,, can you stick with me for a minute? |
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| 17:03.36 | amar-ze | any ideas of date Etch stable? |
| 17:03.39 | pickcoder | I prefer to design my boxes with extra expansion room, than rely on a logical volume manager to get my out of a "uh-oh.. no more space" ordeal |
| 17:03.52 | stew | amar-ze: /topic |
| 17:03.58 | itchi | amar-ze: See /msg dpkg wir |
| 17:04.05 | Detox_away | this server will be used statewide for about 150 people to conduct business on |
| 17:04.09 | itchi | stew: Hehe, i'm so slow :-p |
| 17:04.21 | pickcoder | Detox_away: LVM is definately a good idea for a major work group server |
| 17:04.22 | Detox_away | so I need to make sure it is solid |
| 17:04.25 | Detox_away | ok |
| 17:04.29 | Detox_away | brb |
| 17:04.29 | amar-ze | ok, thanks |
| 17:05.06 | pickcoder | planning and disk use analysis is still crucial, though |
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| 17:05.48 | itchi | stew: Yeah, wwer is more useful too |
| 17:05.50 | pickcoder | Detox_away: just don't use reiserfs |
| 17:05.51 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:05.56 | Detox_away | ok selected lvm ans says it will erase ALL data ,, t his is Dell server ,, the dell folks said to keep the two fat16 partitions intact |
| 17:05.57 | helo | is it easy to get dri working with a 2.4 kernel? |
| 17:06.29 | Detox_away | one is diqgnostics and the other they are not sure of |
| 17:06.41 | Detox_away | so i can jsut dump i guess? |
| 17:06.45 | itchi | Detox_away: Ask Dell to build better things?? |
| 17:06.46 | pickcoder | Detox_away: I don't know, I build my own machines. Someone here, I'm sure, runs Dell. |
| 17:06.47 | jelly | pickcoder: grin or not, that's good advice ;-) I've used reiserfs for a long time but it has funny drawbacks. |
| 17:07.33 | PingFloyd | those are their partition for 'support' etc, recovery and diagnostics etc |
| 17:07.36 | pickcoder | I have a ton of Dell PCs here |
| 17:07.38 | Detox_away | yes |
| 17:07.51 | Detox_away | so can I dump it? or do I need to keep? |
| 17:07.52 | PingFloyd | doubt they'll support you anyway, if you're putting Linux on it to begin with |
| 17:08.01 | PingFloyd | those dell dudes don't know jack anyway |
| 17:08.12 | Detox_away | they actually ahve a good linux support staff |
| 17:08.21 | Detox_away | have talked witoh them several times |
| 17:08.30 | Detox_away | ok them dumping |
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| 17:09.27 | pickcoder | jelly: our ISP guru has been running reiserfs on a test box |
| 17:09.43 | pickcoder | jelly: I'll have to ask him if he's hit any journaling problems |
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| 17:09.55 | jelly | pickcoder: I've been running reiserfs on out news server for 3 years. |
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| 17:10.02 | jelly | s/out/our/ |
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| 17:10.08 | pickcoder | my test box blew up and I won't touch it again |
| 17:10.28 | pickcoder | is throughput really that much higher than ext2? |
| 17:10.31 | jelly | pickcoder: it got strange degradation after if filled up to 92% one night. |
| 17:10.54 | CharminTheMoose | is openexit still here? |
| 17:10.56 | pickcoder | hm |
| 17:11.06 | jelly | pickcoder: ... and when I cleaned it up the performance degradation was still there... :-| |
| 17:11.08 | nunukula | hi e1, a dist-upgrade in unstable is trying to deinstall eclipse since yesterday,... can anyone tell me why ? |
| 17:11.53 | pickcoder | jelly: journal corruption |
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| 17:12.17 | stew | nunukula: /msg dpkg bat |
| 17:12.22 | jelly | pickcoder: haven't seen that. power failure? |
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| 17:12.41 | pickcoder | I was just wondering if maybe the journal got whacked @ 92% |
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| 17:13.48 | jelly | pickcoder: eh, who knows. |
| 17:13.50 | Detox_away | ok lvm gives me only home tmp usr and var |
| 17:13.59 | jelly | pickcoder: no errors were reported though |
| 17:15.00 | pickcoder | Detox_away: you should be able to specify other mount points |
| 17:15.14 | pickcoder | though I haven't seen the LVM setup screen in a while |
| 17:15.27 | Detox_away | using etch net isntall |
| 17:15.28 | pickcoder | I remember redoing it a couple times before I got the steps right |
| 17:15.42 | jooopyme | what is the command to get the atime ctime and mtime of a file |
| 17:16.04 | jelly | pickcoder: but anyway, ext3 with -O dir_index and noatime now performs comparably well to reiserfs, and its fsck, should I ever need to run it, won't take days to complete. |
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| 17:16.15 | g333k | hi, is there a way to automatically disable the screensaver while watching a movie in totem? |
| 17:16.17 | pickcoder | If I had a spare box sitting here, I'd go through it |
| 17:16.45 | Detox_away | well off to google to read on this type of setup |
| 17:16.55 | pickcoder | jelly: I have a normal ext3 setup on our main server here and it performs nicely as-is |
| 17:17.01 | jelly | jooopyme: ls? stat (if you install it)? |
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| 17:18.06 | pickcoder | I don't remember the whole poop from bonnie++, but it was smoking more than cheech & chong |
| 17:18.21 | CharminTheMoose | http://downstairscomputer.homelinux.net:81/irc has now got a perl script for the hell of it... |
| 17:18.23 | CptAJ[vzla] | hey guys, got a bit of a problem with g++ here |
| 17:18.52 | CptAJ[vzla] | I compiled a test program using a makefile and whatnot... but when I try to run the executable, nothing happens |
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| 17:18.59 | xushi | does tar compress? If i want to send a single file, do i have to .tar.gz it or can i just gzip it ? |
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| 17:19.14 | pickcoder | 10K RPM Raptors in RAID10 |
| 17:19.25 | mcnaft | !help ssh |
| 17:19.26 | stew | xushi: tar does not compress. if its just one file you can just gzip it |
| 17:19.34 | xushi | thanks |
| 17:19.49 | CptAJ[vzla] | (I'm a bit new to linux programming. I usually just used dev-c++ on windows) |
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| 17:20.41 | pickcoder | CptAJ[vzla]: chmod +x <filename> |
| 17:20.55 | pickcoder | you may have to make it executable |
| 17:20.57 | CptAJ[vzla] | its already executable by the user |
| 17:21.06 | madclicker | anyone has any idea if there is a way to make the server check the md(raid) status and email the admin? |
| 17:21.06 | Malagmyr | what do you mean by "nothing happens"? |
| 17:21.11 | Malagmyr | do you just get another prompt? |
| 17:21.14 | CptAJ[vzla] | I get no errors, just nothing happens. No output. |
| 17:21.24 | CptAJ[vzla] | I just get another prompt, yes. |
| 17:21.42 | CptAJ[vzla] | (and yes, before you ask, the program IS supposed to output something) |
| 17:22.29 | pickcoder | strace is useful for debugging |
| 17:22.29 | jooopyme | jelly: tnx |
| 17:22.29 | pickcoder | as well as gdb |
| 17:22.30 | CptAJ[vzla] | the program runs fine when compiled by dev-c++ and only uses the standard library... it should work fine |
| 17:22.37 | DimmuR | is something special needed to connect siemens cellphone to debian box via bluetooth/usb? I tryied via bt but after pairing i cant get access and via usb i cant even see phone (i tryied wammu) |
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| 17:23.15 | Malagmyr | CptAJ[vzla]: might be some platform-specific problems. try and have the guys at ##c++ have a look at your code, perhaps? |
| 17:23.19 | PingFloyd | CptAJ[vzla]: in what manner are you trying to run it. Linux won't let you execute from a terminal by just merely typing the program name. you got to do it like this for instance, './foo'. just typing, 'foo' wouldn't execute it |
| 17:23.49 | Malagmyr | PingFloyd: then he would get a message informing him of that fact, i believe |
| 17:24.00 | CptAJ[vzla] | pingfloyd, let me try that. you might be on to something |
| 17:24.01 | Flimzy | wow. debpartial-mirror is a memory hog |
| 17:24.10 | PingFloyd | Malagmyr: I can't remember if it says anything or not |
| 17:24.51 | CptAJ[vzla] | thanks ping, that was it. Needed to ./ it first |
| 17:24.55 | Malagmyr | PingFloyd: any reasonable shell should say the command wasn't found, given there's no other program with the same name, that doesn't output anything |
| 17:25.06 | CptAJ[vzla] | and no, it doesnt say anything. So much for reason, huh? |
| 17:25.30 | Malagmyr | CptAJ[vzla]: try running the command no-such-command |
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| 17:25.40 | Malagmyr | CptAJ[vzla]: something really should tell you there isn't one |
| 17:26.14 | CptAJ[vzla] | if I try to run random, non-existent stuff it *does* give me the typical error |
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| 17:26.46 | Malagmyr | CptAJ[vzla]: what's your program called? |
| 17:26.51 | CptAJ[vzla] | test |
| 17:26.57 | Malagmyr | CptAJ[vzla]: gah |
| 17:27.05 | kombi | my first ever apache2 won't start, won't write to any logfile, syntax ok, vhosts ok, what next? |
| 17:27.07 | Malagmyr | CptAJ[vzla]: test is a program that, with no parameters, does nothing |
| 17:27.16 | CptAJ[vzla] | well that would explain |
| 17:27.49 | kombi | must I go back to apache 1.. |
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| 17:28.12 | CptAJ[vzla] | thanks for the help guys. Glad we figured that one out =) |
| 17:28.21 | PingFloyd | CptAJ[vzla]: np |
| 17:28.52 | kombi | run strace on apache2.. I am confused.. |
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| 17:29.58 | optraz | has anyone got ipw3945 work? |
| 17:30.10 | kombi | apache-ssl runs fine, just apache2 won't.. |
| 17:30.21 | kombi | what is that, optraz? |
| 17:30.30 | optraz | kombi, wireless card |
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| 17:31.23 | kombi | gave up on those some time ago..;) |
| 17:31.29 | optraz | lol |
| 17:31.37 | azeem | hrm, ipw3945-source is not in testing yet |
| 17:31.47 | azeem | it's in unstable, though |
| 17:31.55 | simmerz | does anyone know of a way I can get fetchmail to grab mail from an IMAP account and dump into files instead of sending it on elsewhere? |
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| 17:34.29 | stew | simmerz: poll mail.domain.com proto imap user 'foo' passwd 'sekrit' mda /some/script/that/dumps/stdin/to/a/file |
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| 17:35.33 | simmerz | stew: thanks. does each file come through as a separate stdin stream? or does /some/script have to parse that? |
| 17:35.39 | randen | where is the grub.conf per default? /boot/grub/grub.conf? or where what who when? :s |
| 17:36.04 | stew | simmerz: it runs whatever is in 'mda' once per email, piping the contents of the email to stdin |
| 17:36.25 | stew | randen: /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst if /boot is a separate partition |
| 17:36.42 | simmerz | stew: thanks. that may well be the solution i use then. |
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| 17:37.54 | kombi | I never thought this would happen to me still but I can't get damn apache2 to start, it does not log to anywhere |
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| 17:38.39 | simmerz | stew: just found getmail. that might do the trick using the getmail_maildir MDA |
| 17:39.01 | kombi | never mind..it's running1 |
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| 17:41.02 | fflush | 9/window 24 |
| 17:41.11 | madclicker | does anyone know what happend to cdrtools package is it incorporated in dvd+rw-tools ? |
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| 17:41.49 | stew | madclicker: it got forked and is now called wodim |
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| 17:44.10 | madclicker | thanks stew |
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| 17:45.14 | matju | if i plug a second mouse in my system, but i don't want it to be used by X11, what should i do? I want to use the HID/LinuxEvent interface using a custom program. |
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| 17:46.12 | Ronin | matju: now why would you want that ? |
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| 17:47.31 | valdyn | matju: use a specialised device node, not /dev/input/mice ( mind the plural ) |
| 17:47.32 | matju | Ronin: so that i can use the mouse for something else than clicking around in X11 windows. |
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| 17:48.37 | optraz | what is the command to check current runlevel ? |
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| 17:48.57 | valdyn | matju: for instance /dev/input/mouse0 and /dev/input/mouse1 |
| 17:48.58 | stew | optraz: /sbin/runlevel |
| 17:49.06 | matju | valdyn: well, first i have to prevent the hotplug system from assigning it to X11 |
| 17:49.10 | helo | i just installed etch (netinst), and on my first boot it's just sitting at "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." |
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| 17:49.21 | valdyn | matju: why do you think hotplug has anything to do with that? |
| 17:49.40 | optraz | thanks Stevie[FP] |
| 17:49.44 | optraz | thanks stew |
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| 17:49.52 | matju | valdyn: oh, maybe it doesn't. how do i reconfigure that part of xorg.conf without restarting X11 ? |
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| 17:50.02 | valdyn | matju: /etc/X11/xorg.conf ( or /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 on sarge ) assign a mouse to X11 |
| 17:50.05 | madman215 | how do i find out what kernel i have? |
| 17:50.16 | Ronin | madman215: uname -a |
| 17:50.49 | valdyn | matju: you probably cant |
| 17:50.49 | madman215 | what do i apt-get so i have the kernel sources? |
| 17:51.08 | matju | valdyn: ok, i'll be back soon. |
| 17:51.11 | stew | madman215: why do you want kernel sources? are you sure you dont' want kernel-headers? what are you trying to do? |
| 17:51.18 | valdyn | matju: hot-changing devices on running X is being worked on afaik, but its not ready |
| 17:51.31 | CharminTheMoose | madman215:Try kernel.org for the kernel sources |
| 17:51.40 | madclicker | stew, what about cdrkit? |
| 17:51.40 | valdyn | !drxx matju |
| 17:51.41 | dpkg | matju: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:51.51 | madman215 | stew, ya im pretty sure i want the headers, im working on ndiswrapper |
| 17:52.14 | stew | madclicker: "cdrkit" is the name of the source package wodim is built from |
| 17:52.17 | valdyn | madman215: m-a a-i grabs those headers for you if you use a debian kernel that is still supported |
| 17:52.23 | stew | madman215: m-a prepare |
| 17:52.38 | stew | madman215: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:52.58 | madman215 | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 17:53.15 | stew | madman215: yeah, then "m-a prepare" |
| 17:53.16 | madman215 | i dont know why its 386 when i need 686 |
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| 17:53.50 | madman215 | thats it m-a prepare? is there something that comes before that? |
| 17:54.52 | matju | valdyn: doing dpkg-reconfigure brings up a curses interface that is not possible to get out of without closing the terminal. <Escape> key actually goes *forward* in that wizard. |
| 17:55.08 | matju | valdyn: and then, i have already edited xorg.conf according to your advice |
| 17:55.08 | valdyn | matju: yep |
| 17:55.22 | valdyn | matju: that's ok |
| 17:55.38 | matju | valdyn: so, i'll just restart X as soon as i have the occasion |
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| 17:55.51 | valdyn | !screen |
| 17:55.52 | dpkg | somebody said screen was allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen |
| 17:55.54 | stew | madman215: "apt-get install module-assistant build-essential" if you haven't already; /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 17:56.17 | valdyn | matju: screen is nice to preserve jobs over X restarts |
| 17:56.26 | valdyn | matju: .... if that is your issue |
| 17:56.46 | matju | valdyn: this is not what i want to say. i want to say that i don't know how to abort dpkg-reconfigure. |
| 17:56.57 | valdyn | matju: just close the terminal |
| 17:57.27 | PumpkinPie | what is server iowait? |
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| 17:57.28 | valdyn | matju: or just go through it, since you hand-edited xorg.conf already debconf wont change a thing |
| 17:57.29 | matju | valdyn: that's what i said that i did. but it would be nicer if Ctrl+C or at least Ctrl+\ worked. Bonus points if Escape worked. |
| 17:57.30 | optraz | in top, it show all the processes running in the system. how do i set it to show ONLY sshd? |
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| 17:57.32 | madman215 | what dpkg-reconfigure do i use to fix xf86? |
| 17:57.32 | pickcoder | ctrl-c |
| 17:57.42 | pickcoder | ctrl-c doesn't work? |
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| 17:58.19 | valdyn | matju: hit enter till its done |
| 17:58.35 | matju | it doesn't here... but then i don't use a straight debian |
| 17:58.46 | matju | valdyn: but wouldn't that overwrite my config file?? |
| 17:58.49 | valdyn | matju: doesnt work on debian either |
| 17:59.10 | valdyn | matju: no it wouldnt since you already changed xorg.conf by hand |
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| 17:59.42 | valdyn | matju: even if you hadnt then just pressing enter would resave your previous choices and not change a thing either |
| 18:00.02 | matju | ok, thanks, ttyl, but dpkg-reconfigure should support Escape or have a Cancel button. |
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| 18:00.24 | madman215 | it told me i didnt have the kernel headers |
| 18:00.42 | valdyn | madman215: maybe you arent on debian/sarge |
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| 18:01.06 | madman215 | this is a brand spankin new install of sarge |
| 18:01.22 | valdyn | madman215: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:02.12 | john_doe | should anyone by chance know an open source tool for exact mathematics? |
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| 18:04.03 | optraz | in top, it show all the processes running in the system. how do i set it to show ONLY sshd? |
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| 18:04.23 | madman215 | what do i dpkg-reconfigure it fix xf86? |
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| 18:04.33 | Eulex | !drxx madman215 |
| 18:04.33 | dpkg | madman215: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:04.34 | valdyn | !drxx madman215 |
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| 18:04.57 | Eulex | !win me |
| 18:04.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, eulex! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 18:05.08 | Eulex | ^^ |
| 18:05.08 | khaleel5000 | I installed debian 3 times (same pc , smae medium i.e. DVD of debian etch ) during install along with root I added a USER account named khaleel (it asks to setup a user account ) no other change ...and I am able to run GUI as root or the user (without any change or addition of user groups) but in the most recent i.e. third install.,.....the user cannot start x , the error comes as :- X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config (in |
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| 18:05.53 | Eulex | khaleel5000, fyi, your irc client chopped your message at "...config (i" |
| 18:06.03 | liob | hi, |
| 18:06.03 | liob | which service is the best choice if I want to add a printer which should be shared in a network, but can give me statistics about how much different users have printed. |
| 18:06.04 | liob | ? |
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| 18:06.33 | Eulex | khaleel5000, how are you starting X? |
| 18:07.01 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: um. /etc/X11/warapper/config (in next line ) user not authorized to run X server aborging (in next line ) xinit : server error |
| 18:07.20 | evan_LN | is there a way i can figure out which video driver i need by running knoppix and using some utiliity on knoppix to get it to work? |
| 18:07.26 | kml | any suggestion for system (disk, cpu, network, etc.) performance benchmark, diagnositic and monitoring tools? |
| 18:07.37 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 18:07.37 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 18:07.42 | valdyn | evan_LN: ^^^ |
| 18:07.45 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: in this thrd install ( i will refer it to etch-3 [its the install with the gui probs] I run like i did in other two startx in CLI |
| 18:08.13 | khaleel5000 | if a server is already runnign at vt7 then startx -- :1 (or so on ) |
| 18:08.16 | evan_LN | valdyn, thanks i'll try that |
| 18:08.36 | khaleel5000 | i have tried startx /usr/bin/startkde but same :( |
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| 18:10.58 | Eulex | khaleel5000, run dpkg-reconfigure x11-common and select who you want to be able to start X. |
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| 18:12.39 | godzirra | heya guys. What do I need to install to be able to use the sendmail binary? |
| 18:12.52 | godzirra | i.e. the "mail" command from the command line dies because exim has a fake "sendmail" binary. |
| 18:12.57 | stew | godzirra: any working MTA |
| 18:13.03 | stew | godzirra: how is it fake? |
| 18:13.05 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: wow...well how about -5 as nice value for x server? (just newbie desktop user net ,songs, movies thats it |
| 18:13.24 | godzirra | stew: when I run it I get this: Exim is a Mail Transfer Agent. It is normally called by Mail User Agents, |
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| 18:13.31 | godzirra | (and another few lines) |
| 18:13.36 | Eulex | khaleel5000, whatever you like |
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| 18:15.10 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: ok thanks man (just outta curiosity) ...any particular reason I was Not permitted to use X? (i mean i didnot mess with any settings so why the third? [any explaination ? ] |
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| 18:15.37 | simmerz | stew: getmail did the job, much better than writing a script |
| 18:15.42 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 18:16.26 | godzirra | stew: So what am I doing wrong? |
| 18:16.39 | khaleel5000 | bye everyone.... Eulex me rebooting to check changes ...many thanks dude |
| 18:16.58 | stew | godzirra: what are you expecting to happen when you run "sendmail"? what makes you think that "mail" isn't working? |
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| 18:17.37 | softwork | debian 4? |
| 18:17.43 | softwork | version final |
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| 18:17.53 | softwork | quando? |
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| 18:18.00 | softwork | quando vai ser lançada |
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| 18:18.13 | softwork | alguem sabe? |
| 18:18.27 | Eulex | !es |
| 18:18.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:18.29 | softwork | tou a ver que nao |
| 18:18.31 | sergevn | What is the most less 'heavy' wifimanager for X? |
| 18:18.31 | Eulex | eh |
| 18:18.32 | Eulex | !br |
| 18:18.32 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 18:18.38 | Eulex | softwork, oh, and no one knows |
| 18:18.39 | sussudio | !texugo softwork |
| 18:18.39 | dpkg | softwork: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 18:18.42 | h3sp4wn | sergevn: wpagui |
| 18:18.44 | softwork | iam a portuguese speakerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 18:18.46 | softwork | LOL |
| 18:18.50 | sergevn | h3sp4wn, thx |
| 18:18.55 | Ronin | !tell softwork about br |
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| 18:19.00 | softwork | ............ |
| 18:19.03 | softwork | not br |
| 18:19.04 | softwork | PT |
| 18:19.08 | zeroflag | any suggestions for a pop server? |
| 18:19.09 | softwork | portuguese |
| 18:19.10 | SpeedyG | I dont believe all portuguese people speak with so many r s |
| 18:19.12 | softwork | PT_pt |
| 18:19.22 | softwork | : ) |
| 18:19.29 | Eulex | softwork, you get pt help in the br channel, there's no pt channel |
| 18:19.38 | drool_gen | pity peety lol |
| 18:19.39 | softwork | thx |
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| 18:20.07 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: aah...dude I rebooted ...no success :( |
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| 18:20.13 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: same error |
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| 18:20.36 | Eulex | khaleel5000, oh? about Xwrapper.config? |
| 18:20.42 | sanmarcos-trabaj | what are some good console games? as in I can play over ssh? |
| 18:20.44 | kuse | Anyone knows if NFS has problems with files over 4GB ? |
| 18:20.56 | sanmarcos-trabaj | kuse, it has problems with anything |
| 18:20.56 | Eulex | sanmarcos-trabaj, nethack |
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| 18:21.20 | stew | kuse: nfs v2 does, nfs v3 doesn't iirc |
| 18:21.21 | kuse | sanmarcos-trabaj: so what do u recomend as network file system instead? |
| 18:21.31 | Suprano__ | is there a (windows)remote-registry client for linux ? |
| 18:21.36 | sanmarcos-trabaj | kuse, nfs is a shit, but its the best there is |
| 18:21.38 | stew | kuse: actually, i think later versions of v2 don't either |
| 18:22.17 | kuse | damn, back to samba then |
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| 18:22.45 | stew | kuse: why not use NFS? |
| 18:22.59 | kuse | stew: I cant read files larger than 4gb over the network |
| 18:23.13 | stew | kuse: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:23.22 | kuse | stew: on server or client? |
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| 18:23.26 | stew | kuse: both |
| 18:23.27 | godzirra | stew: I think that mail isn't working because it fails, saying mail isnt working :) |
| 18:23.34 | Zap-W | anyone know what is the > in Defaults>root !set_logname , it's from sudoers manpage |
| 18:23.41 | stew | godzirra: what command are you running, what error are you getting? |
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| 18:24.10 | kuse | stew: client 2.6.18.1 and server 2.6.8.3 |
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| 18:24.18 | godzirra | sigh. I can't get it to generate the same error now. |
| 18:24.22 | madman215 | where did my iwconfig go? |
| 18:24.23 | godzirra | But I definitely dont receive the mail. |
| 18:24.28 | godzirra | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.31 | godzirra | is what I'm running from the command line |
| 18:24.35 | godzirra | then entering a subject |
| 18:24.38 | godzirra | and a body, and then hitting . |
| 18:25.16 | stew | godzirra: check "mailq" to see if it is in the mailq; check /var/log/exim4_mainlog to see if you get errors like "not configured to send" or something similar |
| 18:25.58 | godzirra | hmm.. there's a ton of stuff in the mailq, but the one to my address isnt one of them |
| 18:26.18 | madman215 | i like this dpkg guy, hes very helpful |
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| 18:26.40 | evan_LN | xorg is not found as a command but when i apt-get install xserver-xorg it tells me i have the newest version? how do i reconfigure x? |
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| 18:26.44 | Eulex | !bot |
| 18:26.44 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:27.00 | godzirra | stew: the maillog says 2006-12-05 13:26:37 1Grf01-0005Qk-DK => godzirra@gmail.com R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp H=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [72.14.205.27] |
| 18:27.04 | godzirra | then completed |
| 18:27.15 | Eulex | evan_LN, the command would be Xorg, not xorg |
| 18:27.16 | stew | godzirra: so it looks like its working correctly |
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| 18:27.28 | godzirra | stew: but I never get the email... so obviously there's an issue somewhere ;) |
| 18:27.36 | stew | godzirra: ask gmail |
| 18:27.41 | Eulex | godzirra, checked spam? |
| 18:27.49 | stew | godzirra: if you like: echo foo | mail -s stew@vireo.org |
| 18:28.06 | godzirra | damn, it is going to spam. |
| 18:28.14 | godzirra | Thanks :/ |
| 18:28.21 | Eulex | yw :) |
| 18:28.30 | evan_LN | okay stupid mistake thanks |
| 18:28.43 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: yeah that x-wrapper config......still NO help :( |
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| 18:29.23 | Eulex | khaleel5000, open up that file, and see what it says on the allowed_users entry |
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| 18:29.48 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: oepn up which file? |
| 18:29.51 | madman215 | how do i add a gateway to my wireless connection? |
| 18:30.01 | Eulex | khaleel5000, /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config. |
| 18:30.17 | Eulex | khaleel5000, you may also want to try making the file readable by your user |
| 18:30.36 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: yeah allowed_users=anybody |
| 18:31.01 | Eulex | khaleel5000, ok |
| 18:31.04 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: i did chmod 777 to that file ... |
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| 18:31.50 | evan_LN | how can i stop Xorg to edit it? when ever i kill its PID it restarts |
| 18:32.12 | Eulex | evan_LN, you're using a display manager? |
| 18:32.34 | Eulex | [xkg]dm, that is |
| 18:32.49 | Eulex | among others |
| 18:33.05 | evan_LN | yes |
| 18:33.13 | evan_LN | Eulex, yes |
| 18:33.34 | Eulex | evan_LN, then you might try /etc/init.d/[xkg]dm stop |
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| 18:33.51 | Eulex | then /etc/init.d/[xkg]dm start when you want to start it again |
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| 18:34.37 | sanmarcos-trabaj | nethack falcon eye sucks, it cant run in windowed mode in Debian GNU/Windows xp. (I am at work) |
| 18:34.38 | evan_LN | thanks its working |
| 18:34.49 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: now it says nice of processes denied , (newline) , priority changed from -1 to -5 |
| 18:35.42 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: new line) error moving /var/log/xorg.log.0 to /var/log/xorg.log.0.old (or sorta) |
| 18:35.58 | AmGull | stew:I have a big problem installing debian etch (with netinstall CD) on classical system can you help me ? |
| 18:36.24 | Eulex | khaleel5000, sorry, no idea. it should have permissions to do so. |
| 18:36.57 | stew | AmGull: if you have a question just ask the channel |
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| 18:37.45 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: worst part now as root when I start dpkg-reconfigure X11-common (and press enter it gives me the command prompt again !) looks like its not installed correctly or stuff...gonna reinstall that one...THANKS for the help |
| 18:38.13 | Eulex | khaleel5000, x11-common, not X11-common |
| 18:38.17 | pathway | Anybody here have experiance with the adp94xx driver? |
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| 18:39.12 | AmGull | after installing debian etch (netinstall CD - dayli build) my system can`t boot , the error is :GRUB stage 1.5 disk error |
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| 18:39.55 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: oh...gonna give it another try |
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| 18:40.11 | AmGull | i thing the problem is with sata hard disk i have |
| 18:40.39 | wols | AmGull: what chipset (for the sata)? |
| 18:40.52 | nunukula | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4716 <- could someone tell me why a dist-upgrade ist trying to deinstall eclipse ? |
| 18:41.31 | stew | nunukula: try running "aptitude install eclipse" |
| 18:41.40 | stew | nunukula: or try running the aptitude frontend |
| 18:41.41 | valdyn | nunukula: some pretty complicated dependency, you should be able to install it anyway |
| 18:41.51 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: well now its same one nice of process failed...guess you never know bout computers ....thanks dude |
| 18:41.53 | madman215 | for route add, do i need to specify that its wlan0 because im on here with eth0 |
| 18:42.03 | nunukula | it is already installed |
| 18:42.04 | nunukula | ^^ |
| 18:42.11 | CharminTheMoose | anyone here think that programs using xlib are total bollox? |
| 18:42.24 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: cant (guess yoou never know... i meant they do behave sometimes irrationally ) |
| 18:42.48 | nunukula | but why is it going to be deinstalled |
| 18:43.01 | nunukula | IF I run an dist-upgrade |
| 18:43.08 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: yeah, xlib is horribly designed. clx is a much better implementation. |
| 18:43.10 | stew | nunukula: what happens when you run "aptitude isntall eclipse"? |
| 18:43.10 | nunukula | upgrade is no a problem |
| 18:44.10 | nunukula | #flood |
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| 18:44.57 | Malagmyr | How can I make ntpd log when someone requests the time from it? |
| 18:45.02 | nunukula | stew, could you join #flood for a sec ? |
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| 18:45.55 | AmGull | wols:kt600 via |
| 18:46.52 | nunukula | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4718 <- stew |
| 18:46.52 | nunukula | ^^ |
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| 18:47.50 | stew | nunukula: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:47.51 | Eulex | khaleel5000, well, problem is, I know it should get permission to do so in some way, but I don't know how, and thus I don't know how to debug it. |
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| 18:48.15 | nunukula | does that meen that eclipse wont be working anymore ? |
| 18:48.17 | nunukula | I need it |
| 18:48.19 | nunukula | unstable |
| 18:48.40 | khaleel5000 | Eulex: ok...will keep diiggin about it on google |
| 18:49.19 | AmGull | when i boot from netinstall cd in rescue mode and type: df -h - the result is all partitions have same size 259 Mb - that is imposible |
| 18:49.26 | Eulex | nunukula, such breakages happen sometimes. just wait a few days and it will prolly be resolved. |
| 18:49.52 | nunukula | ok thanks |
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| 18:50.17 | valdyn | nunukula: dist-upgrade, then install eclipse, its working fine in unstable, the upgrade is just not working nicely |
| 18:50.21 | madman215 | how do i add a route to my gateway over my wireless card? |
| 18:51.31 | stew | nunukula: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy eclipse eclipse-sdk"? |
| 18:51.44 | wols | just like any other gateway. man interfaces |
| 18:52.08 | AmGull | wols:what you think for my problem ? |
| 18:52.35 | wols | AmGull: sounds like grub files in /boot/grub/ aremissing or it ca't reach them via BIOS int13h calls |
| 18:52.45 | madman215 | anyone? |
| 18:53.00 | wols | madman215: man interfaces |
| 18:53.07 | stew | madman215: how is your wireless configured? statically? dhcp? |
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| 18:53.51 | CharminTheMoose | how do i set how much memory agpgart takes up?? |
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| 18:54.11 | madman215 | stew, dhcp |
| 18:54.23 | AmGull | wols:can i use some special install parameters for scsi disks at boot ? |
| 18:54.25 | madman215 | stew, with pump -i wlan0 |
| 18:54.26 | helo | is it very difficult to install a 2.4 kernel onto etch? |
| 18:54.36 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: why would you? |
| 18:54.42 | Ronin | isnt that the default helo ? |
| 18:54.42 | stew | madman215: do you already have a default gateway configured on another interface? |
| 18:54.59 | Ronin | ahh you said etch |
| 18:54.59 | helo | etch is unstable... the default is 2.6.17 atm |
| 18:55.06 | Ronin | etch is testing btw |
| 18:55.09 | helo | oh yeah |
| 18:55.13 | madman215 | on eth0 yes, im on the computer now with it |
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| 18:55.21 | CharminTheMoose | valdyn:Because it takes up 94megabytes and i want it to just take up about 64megabytes |
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| 18:55.33 | wols | Ronin: not hard I guess. biggest problem I see is udev replacement |
| 18:55.41 | wols | everything else should be a non issue |
| 18:55.44 | helo | if that would be tough... is it easy to install xorg onto stable? |
| 18:55.45 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: how are you seeing that? don't you really mean your agp aperture size? |
| 18:56.11 | stew | madman215: you can't have more than one default gateway per routing table. do you intend to use the wireless or the wire by default? |
| 18:56.23 | madman215 | stew, wireless |
| 18:56.39 | stew | madman215: do you intend on using eth0 at all? |
| 18:56.53 | CharminTheMoose | valdyn:my bad. |
| 18:56.54 | matju_ | valdyn: hi, i've finally rebooted, but i figured out that i had already 2 mice, and wanted 3, and that i know how to get X11 to use 1 or 3, but not 2... |
| 18:57.00 | AmGull | HOW CAN debian not supporting sata hard drives ? |
| 18:57.06 | CharminTheMoose | but how do i set the Maximum main memory to use for agp memory |
| 18:57.12 | madman215 | only if my wireless dosent work, which rarely happens |
| 18:57.32 | stew | AmGull: many sata disks weren't supported by the kenrel when sarge's kernel was frozen 2 years ago |
| 18:57.36 | valdyn | matju_: im not sure that is possible, maybe with 2 mouse sections, maybe with a fifo |
| 18:57.43 | karsten | Y'know, sometimes this Linux stuff cracks me up. |
| 18:57.43 | matju_ | valdyn: actually it's 1 mouse as /dev/input/mouse$n or all mice as /dev/input/mice; i can't seem to be able to set the CorePointer option on two different device-files |
| 18:57.59 | stew | madman215: ifdown eth0 ; ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 |
| 18:58.17 | stew | AmGull: s/disks/controllers/ |
| 18:58.21 | AmGull | i use etch installer dayly build ? |
| 18:58.27 | madman215 | ok ill be back |
| 18:58.44 | helo | what is the smallest hard drive footprint one can achieve with X installed? |
| 18:58.50 | karsten | Email at work: "Does anyone use XXX machine? It's been up two years and my home directory doesn't mount. If it's not being used we can add it to our compute cluster." Response: "That's the AFS server for HQ. Do not remove or re-deploy" |
| 18:58.51 | helo | on stable |
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| 18:59.06 | AmGull | seagate sata 1 hard disk on via kt600 chipset |
| 18:59.07 | karsten | helo: Probably on the order of 500 MB or so. |
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| 18:59.18 | tralala | !hardware |
| 18:59.18 | dpkg | Before buying -any- hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. See: the hardware howto. Ask me about howtos. or if you ask "Hey, why does my card suck so much in Linux," we have to say, "because your card manufacturer can't decide whether they're in the hardware or software business.", or check http://lhd.datapower.com/, http://linuxhardware.net/ and http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO.html |
| 18:59.38 | karsten | helo: Smallest install I've managed is about 120 MB (console only). Base system itself is IIRC < 100 MB. I'd go 1 GB+ if I possibly could. |
| 18:59.52 | karsten | helo: Why do you ask? |
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| 19:00.29 | karsten | So how'd things go with our Chinese p0wn3d spam proxy last night? |
| 19:00.40 | helo | i'm trying to install to a 512MB compact flash, and i need about 100MB for extra apps |
| 19:00.43 | stew | karsten: the base system is > 100 when compressed |
| 19:00.57 | CharminTheMoose | how do i set the Maximum main memory to use for agp memory |
| 19:01.00 | stew | helo: that is doable. i've done it recently |
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| 19:01.11 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: no such thing |
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| 19:01.23 | Mportnoy | Hi, to run XGL which video card for laptop is better GEforce go 7300 or QUadro NVS 300M ? |
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| 19:01.32 | karsten | helo: Note that DSL manages in ~110 MB compressed. With X. |
| 19:01.38 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: either you mean agp aperture size or you are talking about a gfx chipset that uses system ram for video, like intel i810 |
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| 19:01.51 | helo | yeah, but that version of X doesn't get DRI on my crappy savage onboard card |
| 19:01.55 | mlewis00 | I beleive the base system is ~250MB min. install for Sarge... |
| 19:02.18 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: both can be set via bios, i have no idea why agp aperture size would bother you at all |
| 19:02.40 | CharminTheMoose | i only have 128mb of ram |
| 19:02.52 | helo | the tough part is getting the CF booting... |
| 19:03.05 | centrx | mlewis00 for the purposes of installing a basic system, it is much less |
| 19:03.06 | helo | if someone has some neat tricks for that, i'd love to hear them :) |
| 19:03.08 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: if you pass the memory=96MB or whatever .. X will usually take the rest |
| 19:03.11 | centrx | barebones |
| 19:03.20 | mlewis00 | At least that's what my notes say from about 1 year ago when I did an install and monitored the df... |
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| 19:03.26 | stew | helo: what is the problem you are having? what have you tried so far? |
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| 19:04.21 | centrx | mlewis00 If you do an install of the "base" packages, probably, but you can do a more minimal install, for example if you want to immediately upgrade to testing/unstable |
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| 19:04.32 | centrx | the system is of course rather useless in that barebones state, but... |
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| 19:04.48 | mlewis00 | centrx: Hmmm, possibly so...I'm just going by a single install that I did over a year ago and that was the disk space used before I did any installation of additional software (X, etc.)... |
| 19:05.07 | helo | stew: well i haven't worked on booting from CF for a couple of months, so i don't remember... we've been using knoppix CF install until we realized that the X version wouldn't give us DRI, so we are looking at alternatives now |
| 19:05.17 | mlewis00 | centrx: OK, I see what you mean :) |
| 19:05.39 | pathway | Anybody here have experiance with the adp94xx driver? (Sorry, was afk if anybody already answered a while ago) |
| 19:05.49 | stew | helo: CF shoudl not be different than booting any other hard drive, depending on you hardware and your bios |
| 19:06.06 | helo | stew: as far as installing to a CF though... debian doesn't seem to detect it as a drive |
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| 19:06.20 | stew | helo: how is the CF connected? |
| 19:06.25 | madman215 | awesomeness |
| 19:07.17 | h3sp4wn | Can anyone tell me whether this is important to worry about (smartd[3961]: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Prefailure Attribute: 8 Seek_Time_Performance changed from 248 to 247) |
| 19:07.17 | wols | not important |
| 19:07.19 | abrotman | syas it's a prefailure attribute ... |
| 19:07.37 | wols | the attrib is important but this value change is not |
| 19:07.45 | pathway | h3sp4wn: That's the SMART monitoring... the change is small, so I wouldn't worry. |
| 19:07.51 | h3sp4wn | Does it imply my harddrive is likely to fail though ? |
| 19:07.58 | helo | stew: it is a CF connector on the back of the motherboard |
| 19:08.10 | quintin | Is anyone here familiar with Gateway's support site? |
| 19:08.11 | wols | all harddrives are likely to fail given enough time |
| 19:08.17 | karsten | mlewis00: I've got a ~120 MB install m'self. |
| 19:08.18 | pathway | It implies that the Seek Time Performance has changed from 248 to 247... a tiny change. |
| 19:08.20 | wols | I haven't seen an unbreakable one yet |
| 19:08.21 | helo | stew: i recall trying to make a custom initrd that had the right drivers to recognize the drive on boot |
| 19:08.21 | stew | helo: does it show up in lspci or lsusb? |
| 19:08.40 | Shadowcat | ack |
| 19:08.41 | h3sp4wn | ok thanks (I didn't think it was that important) |
| 19:08.49 | Shadowcat | there's a stew in here, and a stew2 in ##windows |
| 19:08.53 | Shadowcat | this is confusing |
| 19:09.03 | Shadowcat | you sure it's not your evil twin stew? |
| 19:09.31 | wols | that one would be named "evilstew" no? |
| 19:09.32 | PingFloyd | really, you need to treat any HD as if it could fail at any time, even if you just bought it |
| 19:09.36 | mlewis00 | karsten: Cool, what did you have to do to get it down to that size? |
| 19:09.46 | PingFloyd | e.g. keep good backups of important data |
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| 19:10.12 | stew | Shadowcat: he's not as far as i know. at least my parents never mentioned a twin named "User" (if that's really his real realname) |
| 19:10.25 | mcnaft | where can I see log files of user logins? |
| 19:10.35 | stew | mcnaft: "last" or /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:10.53 | mcnaft | thanks |
| 19:10.54 | helo | stew: hmm, nothing in either looks obvious... there's just the ide controller on lspci |
| 19:11.01 | karsten | mlewis00: Not install much ;-) |
| 19:11.01 | tralala | Shadowcat: the real question is what are you doing in ##windows?!? |
| 19:11.15 | helo | stew: looks like in sarge installation, it detects it as /dev/sda |
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| 19:11.28 | Shadowcat | tralala: earning money |
| 19:11.33 | stew | helo: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 19:11.55 | karsten | mlewis00: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/debian-gw_fw-packages |
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| 19:12.00 | karsten | mlewis00: Packagelist |
| 19:12.05 | tralala | Shadowcat: in ##windows or using windows? |
| 19:12.13 | helo | stew: so i will need an initrd with usb-storage and sd_mod to boot from it? |
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| 19:12.29 | madman215 | so on a freash install of debian this stupid one game that i want to play still wont work |
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| 19:12.58 | stew | helo: yes. what initrd creator are you using? |
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| 19:13.08 | helo | none yet, what do you recommend? |
| 19:13.20 | stew | helo: what kernel version are you installing? |
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| 19:13.25 | mlewis00 | karsten: Thanks, I'll take a look...I was thinking of making my own boot CD and was wondering about the minimum install :-) |
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| 19:13.35 | helo | 2.4.whatever... sarge default probably |
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| 19:13.44 | Shadowcat | is there a factoid on the "There are no public key available" error? |
| 19:13.49 | stew | helo: then afaik there is only one. |
| 19:13.50 | stew | Shadowcat: /topic |
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| 19:14.08 | stew | helo: is there a reason you are using 2.4 and not 2.6? |
| 19:14.17 | helo | we have some custom drivers written for 2.4 |
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| 19:14.44 | helo | will 2.4 make cf booting significantly more difficult? |
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| 19:14.58 | Shadowcat | stew: which one? |
| 19:15.00 | valdyn | !etch key |
| 19:15.00 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 19:15.24 | stew | Shadowcat: PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
| 19:15.56 | Shadowcat | thank you valdyn |
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| 19:24.30 | pheber | i have downloaded kernel source with "apt-get source kernel-image-2.6.8-i386-2.6.8". after editing conf files will i then be able to create compiled kernel package by executing "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b" ??? |
| 19:24.47 | centrx | pheber use kernel package |
| 19:25.21 | centrx | package name is kernel-package |
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| 19:25.41 | stew | pheber: you'll create tons and tons of kernel packages, all of the -i386 / -k7 / -686 / packages for kernel-iamge / kernel-headers and a kernel-source package |
| 19:25.46 | pheber | centrx: the point would be to adjust the configuration and make a new kernel |
| 19:25.57 | stew | pheber: /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:26.04 | stew | pheber: you really don't want to build all of those kernels |
| 19:26.24 | pheber | stew: no only 386! |
| 19:26.46 | stew | pheber: then you don't want to use dpkg-buildpackage ; you want to use make-kpkg ; /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 19:27.26 | pheber | stew: understood! what if remove other conf files ?? |
| 19:27.40 | helo | stew: so, do you recommend a particular initrd builder? |
| 19:28.00 | stew | helo: for sarge i only know of initrd-tools |
| 19:28.28 | stew | helo: and note that the next version of debian, which is scheduled to be released in the next month or two will no longer support 2.4 kernels |
| 19:28.52 | helo | hmmm |
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| 19:32.39 | abrotman | depends on the card |
| 19:32.57 | helo | S3 savage |
| 19:33.06 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 19:33.07 | dpkg | well, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 19:33.17 | abrotman | or you mean the really old savage ? |
| 19:33.29 | helo | i think it's a prosavage ddr |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | !savage |
| 19:33.36 | dpkg | http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html |
| 19:33.49 | helo | that page is out of date |
| 19:33.59 | stew | !s3 |
| 19:33.59 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 19:34.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:35.17 | helo | in this case we're using them because they came with the mobos |
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| 19:35.35 | moshii | I want to share logins between a group of machines running debian.. whats the best way of doing this? I read NIS is old and insecure :/ |
| 19:35.42 | itchi | Fucking recovery cd's, i can not yet use that crap to install XP in qemu, shit |
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| 19:36.23 | abrotman | itchi: duh |
| 19:36.36 | abrotman | moshii: NIS(NIS+) or LDAP |
| 19:36.36 | itchi | Nor, refund like it's recovery. Just want that crap running on Debian |
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| 19:36.53 | itchi | abrotman: I want to show it to someone, about qemu |
| 19:36.53 | joepa | anyone know of an OSS package designed for cataloging and searching a personal library? |
| 19:37.15 | itchi | abrotman: Not that i want to use XP hehe ;-) |
| 19:37.16 | abrotman | like the dewey decimal system ? |
| 19:37.21 | moshii | joepa: theres a GTK app to do it .. |
| 19:37.29 | abrotman | joepa: looked at freshmeat ? |
| 19:37.33 | valdyn | joepa: alexandria |
| 19:37.43 | moshii | joepa: but I just use a couple pages on my wiki :) |
| 19:37.48 | valdyn | !tell joepa -about search |
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| 19:38.43 | dareth | join #politics |
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| 19:40.03 | CharminTheMoose | dareth:why? |
| 19:40.20 | CharminTheMoose | what feasible reason can anyone here have to join #politics? |
| 19:40.23 | tralala | he's running for president |
| 19:40.23 | smagy2 | hello folks, can some one please tell me what debian package i am missing to get this compiliing done http://rafb.net/paste/results/3GbbPI57.html |
| 19:40.30 | smagy2 | i am using sarge |
| 19:40.35 | AmGull | it is possible netistall CD`s don`t have some sata or scsi modules ? Full CD`s or DVD`s have more of these modules ? |
| 19:40.46 | joepa | Alexandria looks like it will do the job -- thanks! |
| 19:40.46 | AmGull | it is possible netistall CD`s don`t have some sata or scsi modules ? Full CD`s or DVD`s have more of these modules ? |
| 19:41.02 | stew | AmGull: they have the same kernels with the same available modules |
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| 19:42.46 | hardbop200 | anyone having problems with links2 running in graphical mode in X? |
| 19:43.00 | tralala | smagy2: are you compiling from debian source? |
| 19:43.19 | hardbop200 | tralala: no, install from package: apt-get install links2 |
| 19:43.28 | stew | hardbop200: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 19:44.44 | Mon | is there any way to reload the groups a user is in? except relogin |
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| 19:44.49 | pipeline | Mon: nope. |
| 19:45.06 | Mon | that wAS AWFULLY QUICK.. |
| 19:45.13 | Mon | shite sry for caps |
| 19:45.15 | tralala | Mon: for a particular group you can use newgrp groupname |
| 19:45.29 | stew | Mon: "newgrp groupname" will give change the default group for a subshell |
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| 19:46.10 | Mon | i need www-data to reread it's groups. kinda hard to force the guy to ;) |
| 19:46.11 | dareth | Either #politics is my cover for #debian, or vice versa. |
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| 19:46.21 | pickcoder | smagy2: apt-get install fontconfig |
| 19:46.38 | pickcoder | smagy2: if you are going to compile source, altleast learn how to read error output and decipher it |
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| 19:47.30 | pickcoder | it specifically says that ld can't find -lfontconfig |
| 19:47.53 | simon23 | hi- can anyone tell me if i need to recompile my module for my wireless network card when changing the firmware ? (ipw2200) |
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| 19:48.59 | stew | simon23: yes. if you change firmware you'd definatly need to change the driver. the drivers for ipw2200 each only work with one particular firmware version |
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| 19:49.03 | stew | simon23: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:49.10 | tralala | simon23: only if the new firmware requires a newer module version |
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| 19:49.22 | simon23 | i have kernel 2.6.15.xx installed. |
| 19:49.41 | simon23 | the firmware i want to use requires an older modul. |
| 19:49.51 | stew | simon23: why do you want older firmware? |
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| 19:50.01 | simon23 | that firmware which i want to use allows scanning for wlans,... |
| 19:50.02 | smagy2 | pickcoder: thanks for the answer. i didnt realize i was missing the fontconfig package itself since http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=fontconfig&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 shows a different result |
| 19:50.23 | simon23 | and my current doesnt (sometimes i cant find my own wlan :-( ) |
| 19:50.30 | stew | simon23: so does the firmware for the 2.6.15 version (which iw 1.1.1 requiring, iirc firmware 2.3) |
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| 19:50.58 | smagy2 | pickcoder: learning takes a while and i am still learning. i don't become a master overnight. thanks for your unecessary comments |
| 19:50.58 | stew | simon23: afaik every released version of ipw2200 firmware allowed scanning |
| 19:51.01 | simon23 | stew: what ? |
| 19:51.18 | simon23 | well - i got an ipw 2915 abg card... |
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| 19:52.04 | pickcoder | smagy2: compiling source is never a good idea anyway, unless you have a good idea of what you're doing |
| 19:52.15 | pickcoder | smagy2: that's why Debian spends so much time building packages |
| 19:52.21 | simon23 | have done that a lot of times.. |
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| 19:53.21 | rfrank | I compile most of the packages I use that aren't installed by default |
| 19:53.33 | rfrank | compiled my kernel from source too.. |
| 19:53.39 | pickcoder | er.. not implying that the DD can't put together packages well.. |
| 19:53.41 | abrotman | aren't you special? |
| 19:53.43 | tonyb2006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.44 | tonyb2006 | err |
| 19:53.46 | tonyb2006 | ignore that |
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| 19:54.10 | tralala | !praise rfrank |
| 19:54.17 | rfrank | Ah, of course |
| 19:54.47 | pickcoder | rfrank: that's fine, if you know what you're doing and can fix dependancy issues later. |
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| 19:55.20 | pickcoder | dpkg is a fembot? |
| 19:55.30 | stew | !gender |
| 19:55.30 | tralala | dpkg: gender? |
| 19:55.30 | dpkg | I'm pregnant |
| 19:55.36 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:55.44 | rfrank | haha |
| 19:56.05 | tralala | you shouldn't let anybody stop you from wasting your time |
| 19:56.16 | smagy2 | pickcoder: i understand and appreciate the efforts, but there are times when we are forced to use recent versions for the packages and this is one of them. i won't bore you with the details. the suggestion you made didn't solve the problem thoughhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/RKApRm92.html |
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| 19:56.49 | liob | hi |
| 19:56.56 | tralala | smagy2, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:56.58 | stew | tralala: did Flimzy teach you that earlier? |
| 19:57.18 | moshii | smagy2: you can upgrade the source within most debian packages and recompile them easily |
| 19:57.25 | tralala | stew: hehe |
| 19:57.32 | itchi | Did dpkg -S ld | grep /usr/bin/ld but will not tell many about it |
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| 19:57.48 | liob | i installed cups and want to serve the printer drivers with my cups, but cupsaddsmb -a doesn't write the necessary files in the right postition. Can anybody help? |
| 19:57.51 | tralala | stew: you shall see when he creates a better debian! |
| 19:57.51 | pickcoder | smagy2: you need to look at the LD paths in the makefile. for some reason ld can't find the fontconfig library |
| 19:57.51 | abrotman | itchi: dpkg -S bin/ld |
| 19:57.55 | moshii | smagy2: there's a tool to take the deb'ed source and updated original sourced then form an updated deb ;) |
| 19:58.02 | h3sp4wn | uupdate does most of it for you (dunno whether I would do it for libraries though) |
| 19:58.24 | itchi | abrotman: Near same output, just is that the way you show |
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| 19:58.33 | smagy2 | pickcoder: okay . thanks will do |
| 19:58.42 | smagy2 | moshii: oh is that so ? i should check it out |
| 19:58.54 | smagy2 | moshii: do you happen to know the name of the tool :d |
| 19:58.59 | abrotman | itchi: it doesn't find anything ? |
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| 19:59.04 | stew | smagy2: "apt-cache search libfontconfig dev" |
| 19:59.05 | smagy2 | tralala: will check backports |
| 19:59.17 | pickcoder | I see libfontconfig.so.1 in /usr/lib/ |
| 19:59.23 | itchi | abrotman: It have find ;-) |
| 19:59.29 | tralala | smagy2: it's not in backports and apparently not in sid either... I wonder why |
| 19:59.31 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 19:59.31 | sandman | How much of a security risk is it to load images from teh internet? |
| 19:59.32 | pickcoder | on Etch anyway |
| 19:59.36 | sandman | Like, in e-mail? |
| 19:59.38 | pickcoder | should be the same on Sarge |
| 19:59.40 | moshii | smagy2: um, I would tell you, but I'm not on my machine. I've used it to update the ipod libraries to the CVS versions before :) |
| 19:59.40 | itchi | abrotman: Just looking a bit there about smagy2 trouble there |
| 19:59.45 | abrotman | sandman: depends on the image renderer |
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| 20:00.19 | smagy2 | smagy bows to stew! thanks it worked out of the box! |
| 20:00.52 | sandman | abrotman: Say I'm loading images from e-mails in Evolution |
| 20:01.24 | smagy2 | just for future reference, when i come across some missing lib, what would be the best way to find out which deb package has the required file ? would i have to read the developer's guide to get an idea ? |
| 20:01.42 | smagy2 | itchi: ? |
| 20:01.45 | pickcoder | apt-file or use the packages site |
| 20:01.54 | abrotman | sandman: it stil depends on the image render engine |
| 20:02.01 | pickcoder | packages.debian.org |
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| 20:02.09 | yang | what is the procedure to verify data on my CD ISOs ? |
| 20:02.16 | stew | smagy2: apt-cache search lib name dev |
| 20:02.26 | yang | how do i mount a ISO CD? |
| 20:02.27 | stew | smagy2: possibly with --names-only |
| 20:02.37 | smagy2 | pickcoder: thank you :) |
| 20:02.41 | smagy2 | stew: thank you :) |
| 20:02.44 | moshii | yang: mount -o loop file.iso /mountpoint |
| 20:02.47 | pickcoder | smagy2: normally, the library name passed to gcc will be easily searchable in apt-cache |
| 20:02.52 | itchi | smagy2: You have got your answer, i think |
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| 20:02.55 | yang | moshii: thanks |
| 20:03.04 | stew | smagy2: or when its complaining about -lfoo ; apt-file search libfoo.a |
| 20:03.08 | itchi | smagy2: I'm kinda slow :-) |
| 20:03.28 | Shadowcat | sigh you know a sid install is out of date when you spend 20 min downloading packages |
| 20:03.32 | moshii | yang: and for verifying ... I generally put md5 sums for all the files on the disc if it's important |
| 20:03.36 | sphenxes | would Debian "etch" released this week or there is new schedule? |
| 20:03.48 | Shadowcat | !tell sphenxes about topic |
| 20:03.57 | smagy2 | stew: aah okay. thank you |
| 20:04.00 | sphenxes | !tell etch |
| 20:04.06 | yang | moshii: how can I read file.iso if it resides on a CD ? |
| 20:04.07 | smagy2 | pickcoder: will remember that. thanks |
| 20:04.11 | terje_ | How can I see how much physical RAM a machine actually has? |
| 20:04.34 | stew | terje_: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 20:04.42 | sphenxes | !tell sphenxes etch |
| 20:04.42 | terje_ | thanks stew :) |
| 20:04.48 | helo | how do i format vfat? |
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| 20:04.55 | helo | format a partition vfat format, that is |
| 20:05.23 | moshii | yang: do you want to mount a file like mewarezgame.iso or a cd in the iso format? |
| 20:05.34 | xFred_ | hi. I can't create, even being root, a tun0 interface using etch (debian kernel 2.6.18-2) . tun.ko is loaded, and /dev/net/tun has c 10 200 settings. Error is "SIOCSIFADDR: No such device". Any clue ? |
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| 20:05.59 | yang | moshii: a CD in ISO format |
| 20:06.10 | itchi | sphenxes: Maybe you are interested in /msg dpkg selftell |
| 20:06.10 | moshii | yang: mount /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 20:06.22 | moshii | yang: replace /dev/hdc if your cdrom.. |
| 20:06.29 | tralala | or simply mount /cdrom |
| 20:06.50 | yang | then i get wrong FS type |
| 20:06.58 | moshii | or /media/cdrom0 |
| 20:07.02 | tralala | then your cd is wrong |
| 20:07.09 | yang | oh, damn |
| 20:07.15 | moshii | yang: sounds like you have a broken cd :P |
| 20:07.24 | yang | no wonder, i couldn't install from it... |
| 20:07.41 | pickcoder | yang: is it CDR? |
| 20:07.46 | yang | CD-R |
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| 20:07.49 | yang | not rewrite |
| 20:07.55 | tralala | yang: before you burn next time verify the checksums |
| 20:07.57 | pickcoder | make sure the disc was "closed" |
| 20:08.12 | dareth | congrats dpkg on the pregnancy... the more my wife and I try, the more I look pregnant for some reason.. think we are doing something wrong. *wink* |
| 20:08.13 | pickcoder | some burning program will leave the disc open for additonal files and not write the TOC |
| 20:08.16 | moshii | pickcoder: shouldn't have to close it :/ |
| 20:08.23 | pickcoder | not.. shouldn't have to |
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| 20:08.25 | pickcoder | s/not/no |
| 20:08.30 | itchi | !beer dareth |
| 20:08.36 | pickcoder | but it's a typical reason for table coasters |
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| 20:08.46 | tralala | an open disc might be a problem only for for ancient drives |
| 20:08.48 | sphenxes | itchi, thanks |
| 20:08.50 | moshii | yang: what did you burn it with? |
| 20:09.06 | moshii | you generally don't get an open disc from buring an iso either |
| 20:09.14 | pickcoder | no.. not normally |
| 20:09.19 | pickcoder | I'm just tossing ideas out |
| 20:09.30 | pickcoder | CDs don't normally mis-burn these days either |
| 20:09.34 | itchi | sphenxes: The bot is many more useful in private room |
| 20:09.42 | pickcoder | unless they're super thin |
| 20:09.48 | moqq | hey i just ran aptitude and it has all my packages in this 'obsolete and locally created' category... does anyone know why? |
| 20:09.52 | moshii | pickcoder: unless you're burning netbsd for the dreamcast... |
| 20:10.33 | snow_ | ïèäàðàñû |
| 20:10.34 | snow_ | áëÿ |
| 20:10.37 | snow_ | íàõóé |
| 20:10.38 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:10.40 | snow_ | ó¸áêè |
| 20:10.41 | tralala | moqq: you run potato? |
| 20:10.44 | snow_ | õóåõ |
| 20:10.45 | stew | snow_: stop. |
| 20:10.47 | Eulex | !ar |
| 20:10.47 | dpkg | somebody said ar was argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
| 20:10.50 | snow_ | èäè íàõóé |
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| 20:10.53 | snow_ | ó¸áèùå |
| 20:10.53 | Ronin | !ae |
| 20:10.53 | dpkg | ae is probably Anthony's Editor -- a tiny full-screen editor |
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| 20:10.56 | Ronin | doh |
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| 20:10.58 | moqq | tralala: what's potato |
| 20:11.01 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 20:11.03 | Eulex | !arabic |
| 20:11.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, arabic is Linux supports the Arabic language. See http://www.arabeyes.org/download/documents/howto/arabic-howto-en/ |
| 20:11.11 | Ronin | closer |
| 20:11.12 | pickcoder | !potato |
| 20:11.12 | dpkg | i heard potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 20:11.15 | Eulex | !debian-ar |
| 20:11.28 | moqq | ah |
| 20:11.34 | Eulex | !test |
| 20:11.34 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:11.42 | yang | A CD that was burn-ed with 16x speed will be readable on a 4x speed CD-ROM ? |
| 20:11.42 | moqq | !potato->woody |
| 20:11.42 | dpkg | somebody said potato->woody was edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "potato" or "stable" to "woody" (examples: ask me about "woody sources.list"). Then "apt-get update", "apt-get install apt-utils debconf dpkg" and "apt-get dist-upgrade", et voila! Also, ask me about "woody install warnings". http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/releasenotes |
| 20:11.45 | itchi | Eulex: How have you see that it's arabic? Got weird characters here |
| 20:12.12 | Eulex | itchi, "* snow_ (n=darkness@synpuvfo.emirates.net.ae) joined #debian" -- ae = arab emirate |
| 20:12.20 | pickcoder | yang: burn speed has nothing to do with readability |
| 20:12.24 | itchi | Eulex: Yeah, oeps ;-) |
| 20:12.29 | jelly | are bashisms in a #!/bin/sh script in /sbin worthy of a serious bug? |
| 20:12.41 | moqq | !woody sources.list |
| 20:12.41 | dpkg | i heard woody sources.list is "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security woody/updates main contrib non-free" and "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" |
| 20:12.47 | pickcoder | unless the disc media is just too thin for an old drive to pick up |
| 20:12.51 | tralala | this was russian though or something very similar |
| 20:12.56 | moqq | hmm |
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| 20:13.04 | pickcoder | I've actually been able to see through some cheap CDs I've got online |
| 20:13.08 | moqq | my sources.list has one line: deb-src ftp://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 20:13.27 | moshii | pickcoder: I thought higher burn speed = lower quality burn? |
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| 20:13.46 | moqq | tralala: i think i'm running sarge |
| 20:14.04 | pickcoder | moshii: possibilty, but a 4x should still be able to read it |
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| 20:14.12 | tralala | moqq: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:14.20 | moqq | 3.1 |
| 20:14.29 | pickcoder | there are no guarantees over 1X though |
| 20:14.34 | moshii | pickcoder: haha, the 4x I had had problems reading pressed cds let alone burns |
| 20:14.38 | snow_ | now i`m from russia |
| 20:14.57 | snow_ | not your fucking emirats |
| 20:14.58 | itchi | snow_: Script kiddie? |
| 20:15.05 | Ronin | calm down snow_ |
| 20:15.08 | stew | snow_: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:15.24 | tralala | moqq: well, remove the sid sources from there, add sarge and security mirrors and you should be fine |
| 20:15.24 | moshii | yang: invest in a decent CDR for you debian netinst disc, it'll be worth it ;) |
| 20:15.32 | pickcoder | snow_: why are you using an AE internet provider then? |
| 20:15.35 | stew | snow_: please keep it in english / ascii in this channel |
| 20:15.40 | abrotman | pickcoder: he's not |
| 20:15.42 | moqq | !sarge sources.list |
| 20:15.43 | dpkg | sarge sources.list is, like, at least "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main" and "deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main" |
| 20:15.52 | pickcoder | abrotman: O_o |
| 20:15.53 | moqq | tralala: thanks |
| 20:15.53 | pickcoder | ok |
| 20:16.01 | abrotman | pickcoder: try a lastlog |
| 20:16.08 | Ronin | was though i think |
| 20:16.08 | jair | guys, do you know if I can export a CD-rom as a file system using NFS? |
| 20:16.19 | yang | moshii: hehe, i have a 52x speed cd-rom...but on older machine only 4x speed |
| 20:16.22 | snow_ | i m english security protector |
| 20:16.30 | pickcoder | ah |
| 20:16.31 | itchi | moqq: See also /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:16.35 | snow_ | ) |
| 20:16.40 | moshii | yang: does the old machine have a floppy drive? |
| 20:16.59 | moshii | yang: In my experience an old floppy drive is better than an old cdrom |
| 20:17.15 | snow_ | I am going to to open english secrets |
| 20:17.20 | tralala | snow_: I'm sure Dostoevski would be proud of the way you're using his language |
| 20:17.23 | stew | snow_: please keep it on topic |
| 20:17.25 | abrotman | stew: can we just kick him now ? |
| 20:17.25 | jelly | jair: I think it must be already mounted prior to exporting the mount point. |
| 20:17.26 | snow_ | to russians |
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| 20:17.45 | yang | moshii: hehe, i am trying hard to install DSL linux there...wasted all my day figuring out what is wrong, becouse the CD-ROM wasn't burned properly |
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| 20:17.49 | snow_ | you can cick m |
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| 20:17.56 | dimbit | google earth anyone? |
| 20:17.58 | itchi | snow_: hehe |
| 20:18.09 | abrotman | uhm |
| 20:18.13 | Ronin | dimbit: what about it? |
| 20:18.13 | moshii | yang: screw dsl, just get a minimal debian on there |
| 20:18.26 | jelly | dimbit: yes, please! |
| 20:18.26 | moshii | yang: use localepurge etc to keep the size down |
| 20:18.26 | yang | moshii: it won't fit on a 130mb drive |
| 20:18.33 | dimbit | I have googleearth-package. Now looking for clues on what to do with it |
| 20:18.50 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:18.50 | itchi | dimbit: Read the docs about the package ;-) |
| 20:18.52 | jelly | dimbit: install and run. This package is not part of debian. |
| 20:18.54 | dimbit | there is no and I mean NO documentation in any obvious places |
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| 20:19.00 | abrotman | he's coming right back ... |
| 20:19.02 | abrotman | see |
| 20:19.06 | moshii | yang: I've done sarge+x+goodies on 256mb :) |
| 20:19.08 | pickcoder | Google.. documenting stuff properly? |
| 20:19.14 | pickcoder | hah |
| 20:19.19 | madman215 | i have this game, and when i try running the game it tells me im missing libSDL_net but there is a libsdl.dll in that folder, does that mean i dont really have to install it? |
| 20:19.20 | dimbit | if there is and I'm being stupid, please point out my mistake and ridicule me |
| 20:19.25 | yang | moshii: woody was about 100mb base |
| 20:19.30 | itchi | dimbit: googleearth-package - utility to automatically build a Debian package of Google Earth |
| 20:19.30 | abrotman | madman215: we don't have dlls |
| 20:19.32 | tralala | dimbit: /usr/share/doc/ is not an obvious place? |
| 20:19.32 | dimbit | googleearth-package has no docs I mean |
| 20:19.38 | abrotman | madman215: apt-cache search sdl net dev |
| 20:19.39 | madman215 | thats what i thought |
| 20:19.48 | itchi | dimbit: Sure? |
| 20:20.02 | moshii | yang: you should be able to get it to around DSL size |
| 20:20.03 | tralala | pickcoder: googleearch-package is a debian package, not comming from google |
| 20:20.13 | madman215 | abrotman, thats what i did last time, i went through and updated everything and ended up needing glibc_2.4 |
| 20:20.20 | dimbit | tralala: I'll consider myself ridiculed. thanks |
| 20:20.26 | itchi | dimbit: dpkg -L googleearth-package |
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| 20:20.39 | moshii | yang: best thing to do is install the base system and remove almost everything then install localepurge |
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| 20:20.48 | abrotman | madman215: god damn it .. stop trying to play that game |
| 20:20.56 | itchi | dimbit: See you the last line of that output? |
| 20:20.57 | tralala | dimbit: consider yourself enlightened |
| 20:21.12 | madman215 | hahaha |
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| 20:21.24 | pickcoder | I'm ridiculed daily |
| 20:21.26 | dimbit | weird that nothing's listed on any websites. It's like it's new or something... |
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| 20:21.59 | itchi | dimbit: man make-googleearth-package If you not understand |
| 20:22.08 | dimbit | itchi: there is no man |
| 20:22.17 | dimbit | oh, there is for that |
| 20:22.18 | itchi | dimbit: I have it here |
| 20:22.24 | dimbit | man googleearth-package did nothing |
| 20:22.37 | dimbit | googling for googleearth-package turned up nothing |
| 20:22.38 | pickcoder | is there a googleearch-docs |
| 20:22.45 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 20:22.46 | itchi | dimbit: I showed you how to find out the stuff dpkg -L foo |
| 20:22.48 | dimbit | googling for google earth debian showed up nothing |
| 20:22.52 | moshii | dimbit: do you need a man page for it.. you just run make-googleearth-package and a deb magically appears |
| 20:22.58 | jelly | dimbit: have you tried running the binary? |
| 20:23.00 | pickcoder | you peeps bad typing is rubbing off |
| 20:23.04 | dimbit | but /usr/share/doc won |
| 20:23.09 | itchi | dimbit: First look to the docs there are provided with the packages |
| 20:23.27 | dimbit | moshii: no one tells you it's make-googleearth-package |
| 20:23.36 | dimbit | itchi: there were none in the usual places |
| 20:23.40 | yang | moshii: localpurge package ? |
| 20:23.42 | tralala | dpkg -L does |
| 20:23.42 | dpkg | ii does 3.8-15 tralala's private porn collection |
| 20:23.47 | dimbit | I don't usually have to look in /usr/share/doc |
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| 20:23.51 | Zap-W | just to be sure , there isn't any option in vsftpd to block access for certian domains or hosts ? it's usually done in iptables right? |
| 20:23.53 | tralala | dpkg: suddup |
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| 20:24.02 | dimbit | but sorted now. thanks guys |
| 20:24.08 | dimbit | noted |
| 20:24.12 | moshii | yang: strips out all the languages you don't need ;) |
| 20:24.14 | itchi | tralala: Can i get some? GPL'ed?? |
| 20:24.27 | tralala | !portsmite itchi |
| 20:24.33 | tralala | ergh |
| 20:24.38 | jelly | dimbit: well, whne running testing/unstable, you're supposed to be able to look up the contents on a package. |
| 20:24.41 | tralala | !pornsmite itchi |
| 20:24.45 | itchi | oh, not for me :-$ |
| 20:24.47 | helo | i'm having issues installing xorg from backports.org... do i ahve to manually add every single package that x needs to /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 20:24.49 | itchi | ohyeah haha |
| 20:25.36 | stew | helo: no, http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 20:25.42 | dimbit | jelly: yeah, usually google has the answer |
| 20:25.44 | dimbit | today it didnt |
| 20:25.58 | dimbit | got tons of errors anyway |
| 20:26.12 | dimbit | it's bitching about dependencies for some reason |
| 20:26.16 | tralala | dimbit: jelly's basically saying that you shouldn't run testing/unstable |
| 20:26.27 | itchi | dimbit: Because the is not 100% related to the google package, but a bit of Debian rules |
| 20:26.35 | jelly | dimbit: no, I mean you really should know the basics if you're using testing or unstable. |
| 20:26.47 | itchi | dimbit: Work here, you need to paste the stuff here |
| 20:26.59 | itchi | dimbit: Sory, not here ;-) pastebin i meaned |
| 20:27.06 | yang | moshii: there is no package called "localpurge" |
| 20:27.17 | moshii | yang: localepurge |
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| 20:27.31 | dimbit | I'll sort it. I'm not as thick as I've come across in the last few minutes |
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| 20:27.46 | itchi | dimbit: I use xclip, useful |
| 20:28.08 | jelly | dimbit: as for the errors after running make-gooblah, you can probably ignore them, it's Debian's package building utilities trying to figure out correct dependencies for Google's binary and failing. |
| 20:28.16 | moshii | yang: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/localepurge |
| 20:28.18 | itchi | dimbit: foo xclip or lsmod | grep foo | xclip |
| 20:28.31 | yang | moshii: found that one yes |
| 20:28.32 | itchi | dimbit: To show you a bit ... |
| 20:28.49 | dimbit | lol: `Depends' field, missing package name, or garbage where package name expected "Success!" |
| 20:28.59 | dimbit | after a s**tload of errors, success! |
| 20:29.02 | jelly | dimbit: yep. |
| 20:29.04 | moshii | yang: do you have another debian system to use debootstrap on? |
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| 20:30.13 | dimbit | hmm. where the *!? has it put the .deb?? |
| 20:30.16 | jelly | dimbit: you can try reading the make-googleearth-package scripts if you really want to know... I'd install the resulting package and if it works, forget about the rest. |
| 20:30.24 | reber | hi. What is the minimum hd space for debian without X, and with basic web services (ftpd, httpd) |
| 20:30.36 | abrotman | <200MB |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | since you didn't specify which ftpd or httpd |
| 20:31.01 | jelly | dimbit: here it put it in the current directory. |
| 20:31.05 | reber | apache, proftpd |
| 20:31.15 | jelly | dimbit: ./googleearth_4.0.2091-1_i386.deb |
| 20:31.46 | dimbit | :s |
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| 20:32.43 | yang | moshii: yes, i have bunch of debians here |
| 20:32.51 | jelly | dimbit: well what do you expect from a v0.0.1, to make coffee and read mail? :-) |
| 20:32.59 | moqq | anyone know of a good tool for source-code counting / statistics that deb has got a package for? |
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| 20:33.16 | dimbit | that's v0.0.0.1. v0.0.1 should clean up and wipe my butt too ;) |
| 20:33.59 | moshii | yang: instead of messing around with cdroms you could put the drive in one of those and use debootsrap on it or install DSL |
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| 20:34.51 | itchi | jelly: But it's slow, i find, the source i had build, works many faster |
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| 20:35.43 | Guerin | moshii: wc |
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| 20:35.46 | Guerin | mmh |
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| 20:35.50 | Guerin | moqq: wc |
| 20:35.52 | jelly | itchi: sorry, I don't understand what are you talking about? |
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| 20:36.31 | itchi | jelly: googleearth build that way works slower i find. Or is the Google server become slow or so |
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| 20:37.05 | moshii | jelly: um it's the same binaries isn't ?! |
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| 20:37.19 | moshii | jelly: sorry that was for itchi |
| 20:37.51 | phed__ | how can I a) install software with apt on a shell account? b) set environment variables that crontab will respect? |
| 20:38.01 | dimbit | bah. I give up. |
| 20:38.14 | itchi | moshii: I dunno exactly, just discover it some days back. The googleearth is near unusable here, to slow. I have not yet look back on the other computer where i had compile it |
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| 20:38.46 | jelly | moshii: yes and no. It's the same executable but it uses Debian's /usr/lib libraries instead of the bundled ones. |
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| 20:38.49 | moshii | phed__: if the shell is running debian ssh/telnet in and use apt, with the crontab put VAR=xx at the top of your crontab |
| 20:39.02 | itchi | moshii jelly : Works it smoothly on your side? |
| 20:39.10 | moshii | jelly: ah I see. |
| 20:39.36 | Guerin | moshii: presuming he has root |
| 20:39.37 | havocologe | is it possible to set a umask for a directory? so that every file that is created in that directory has a specific umask and maybe even a given owner/group ? |
| 20:39.38 | jelly | itchi: dunno, I've filled up my disk and can't install it right now |
| 20:39.45 | phed__ | I am not root |
| 20:39.58 | pumpkin0 | pheber: you will not install stuff. |
| 20:40.16 | pumpkin0 | phed__: ^^ |
| 20:40.19 | moshii | phed__: you might want to create a local/bin etc tree in your |
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| 20:40.30 | Guerin | phed__: you might be able to hack something into place with --root= and --admin-dir= or such, but typically if you're not root, you're not allowed to install stuff, so ... |
| 20:40.39 | phed__ | moshii: so, I can use dpkg and build them into my local tree then? |
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| 20:41.08 | moshii | phed__: hmm I think compiling stuff into your local tree would work better |
| 20:41.33 | Guerin | also, unpacking .deb files into ~ works fine |
| 20:41.39 | Guerin | if you amend path and such |
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| 20:42.06 | Guerin | jelly: overkille |
| 20:42.28 | itchi | jelly: & moshii : Looks like it's the server tha become slow, just tested on that other box |
| 20:42.35 | jelly | Guerin: what? I didn't say anything. ;-) |
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| 20:42.56 | phed__ | dpkg -x . |
| 20:43.00 | ActaTux | hi |
| 20:43.05 | phed__ | that would do what I expect, right? |
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| 20:43.50 | phed__ | yeah, well, I expect that I could put it in my crontab, and use bash to execute my process also? |
| 20:43.55 | jelly | how can I see which packages have hte largest Installed-Size and sort by it? |
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| 20:44.23 | phed__ | then i would have the same configuration both in shell and with crontab |
| 20:44.32 | abrotman | jelly: a very long string of commands :) |
| 20:44.54 | itchi | jelly: I used filelight (GUI) or another one cli, forget the name, shit |
| 20:44.55 | jelly | abrotman: ahh, man grep-dctrl is my friend |
| 20:45.02 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 20:45.19 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 20:45.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 20:45.31 | jelly | "the following command outputs the list of installed packages, sorted by their Installed-Size." |
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| 20:45.47 | jelly | and it's shorter than the buggery above! |
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| 20:46.02 | bbelt16ag | ok lets see it jelly |
| 20:46.04 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.09 | itchi | heh, ... and we learn to never exucute an command you not know, hehe |
| 20:46.12 | bbelt16ag | i bet i got apps i wanna get rid of |
| 20:46.17 | bbelt16ag | aye |
| 20:46.23 | jelly | bbelt16ag: man grep-dctrl |
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| 20:46.26 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:46.39 | jelly | grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n |less |
| 20:46.42 | sergevn | Hi, is there a gui package manager for debian? just like in ubuntu |
| 20:46.54 | jelly | sergevn: the same one, even |
| 20:47.12 | sergevn | jelly, what is it called? |
| 20:47.18 | jelly | sergevn: synaptic |
| 20:47.23 | sergevn | jelly, thx |
| 20:47.48 | jelly | heh, isn't that kinda backwards |
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| 20:48.31 | newbcoder | what is one line debian get cd burning to work? |
| 20:48.50 | havocologe | is it possible to set a specific combination of uid/gid for a newly created file in a special directory ?? |
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| 20:49.52 | Danker | Hi |
| 20:50.12 | Danker | Where I can contact debian developers? |
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| 20:50.35 | itchi | Danker: With black magie, vodoo, whatever you want |
| 20:50.44 | pumpkin0 | Danker: If it´s about one specific package: try the bts |
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| 20:51.01 | asg | hardlined: use install(1) with /dev/null as the source and set the uid/gid and other options based on the manpage |
| 20:51.06 | asg | bah |
| 20:51.10 | asg | havocologe: ^^^^^ |
| 20:51.17 | helo | i'm having trouble loading the agpgart module... it says i have an unsupported via chipset (device id: 0605) |
| 20:51.25 | havocologe | asg: ? |
| 20:51.31 | asg | havocologe: wrong nick, my mistake |
| 20:51.36 | havocologe | :) |
| 20:51.38 | itchi | Danker: If you want to contact an maintainer of a package, just look in the package info |
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| 20:51.46 | Danker | No, I just want to ask when will be debian realeased... :) |
| 20:51.50 | phed__ | how can i just download a .deb-file from commandline, without looking it up on web etc first? |
| 20:51.55 | Danker | New etch |
| 20:51.59 | asg | Danker: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 20:52.16 | plutonas | whats the name of he module, that loads usb2 support. I have the suspicion that my system uses the usb1 driver. |
| 20:52.27 | jelly | phed__: apt-get -d install some-foo --> package is downloaded in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 20:52.37 | phed__ | if I am not root |
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| 20:53.03 | jelly | phed__: apt-get --print-uris -d install some-foo, then wget that url. |
| 20:53.22 | newbcoder | what is one line debian get cd burning to work? |
| 20:53.47 | itchi | newbcoder: Rewrite your question |
| 20:53.54 | newbcoder | what is one line debian get cd burning to work? please? |
| 20:54.00 | jelly | haha |
| 20:54.01 | newbcoder | serious now: |
| 20:54.03 | itchi | yeah |
| 20:54.04 | newbcoder | cdrecord -scanbus shows nothing |
| 20:54.11 | newbcoder | or rather, it doesnt' show /dev/hdc |
| 20:54.13 | Hoxzer | ;) |
| 20:54.13 | newbcoder | which is my cdrecorder |
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| 20:54.20 | newbcoder | I have hdc=ide-cd in grub config files |
| 20:54.25 | asg | newbcoder: try cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus |
| 20:54.25 | newbcoder | what am I likely missing? |
| 20:54.26 | bbelt16ag | !tetex |
| 20:54.31 | bbelt16ag | what is tetex?? |
| 20:54.33 | plutonas | whats the name of he module, that loads usb2 support. I have the suspicion that my system uses the usb1 driver. |
| 20:54.34 | klohunt | Does anyone know what date Etch will become stable? |
| 20:54.44 | asg | bbelt16ag: the LaTeX distribution |
| 20:54.44 | newbcoder | asg: whoa, that worked |
| 20:54.45 | pumpkin0 | !wir |
| 20:54.46 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 20:54.48 | newbcoder | asg: mind explaining the magic? |
| 20:54.52 | plutonas | klohunt: when its ready |
| 20:54.58 | jelly | bbelt16ag: apparently a very important part of the system which you can't live without! :-) |
| 20:55.10 | asg | newbcoder: it's an old bug/workaround that is required to so some silly politics |
| 20:55.11 | klohunt | plutonas: is it expected to be ready this month? |
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| 20:55.53 | plutonas | klohunt: well yes |
| 20:55.54 | klohunt | Just getting a laptop for christmas, and was wondering if it would be stable by then :D |
| 20:55.54 | jelly | klohunt: I'm going for late January myself... |
| 20:55.54 | itchi | bbelt16ag: apt-cache search tetex; apt-cache show tetex will tell you about it |
| 20:55.54 | sanmarcos-trabaj | where does iptables log to? |
| 20:55.55 | plutonas | or maybe the beggining of the next month |
| 20:55.55 | bbelt16ag | isnt latex a programmer's way of formating documents? |
| 20:55.55 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:55.55 | pumpkin0 | bbelt16ag: a very good editor system for math heavy documents |
| 20:56.03 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:56.07 | plutonas | klohunt: there are about 150 bugs to be fixed right now |
| 20:56.14 | bbelt16ag | well i am gonna see if this tetex item can be removed |
| 20:56.14 | klohunt | Oh, I see |
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| 20:56.32 | jelly | I thought latex is eyecandy for sex starved nerds. see <the_matrix> |
| 20:56.34 | klohunt | well, thanks |
| 20:56.35 | pumpkin0 | bbelt16ag: latex is like version 2.0 of tex. And tetex is the name of the package for version 1.0 and 2.0. |
| 20:56.43 | geo-rge | sanmarcos-trabaj: #netfilter or #iptables or #networking, if you don't find out here |
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| 20:57.03 | bbelt16ag | can i remove it? |
| 20:57.13 | pumpkin0 | bbelt16ag: if you don´t use it .. |
| 20:57.15 | plutonas | whats the name of he module, that loads usb2 support. I have the suspicion that my system uses the usb1 driver. |
| 20:57.17 | geo-rge | sure, it's packages |
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| 20:57.39 | geo-rge | the one thing you might need is the thing that turns texi files to info files |
| 20:57.57 | geo-rge | which might be in its own package |
| 20:58.01 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd ? |
| 20:58.19 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 20:58.23 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.31 | bbelt16ag | its my only true friend besides ping and ssh |
| 20:58.36 | asg | plutonas: modinfo ehci_hcd ; modinfo uhci_hcd |
| 20:58.43 | plutonas | pumpkin0: do i need them both? |
| 20:58.43 | itchi | bbelt16ag: Maybe you gona love aptitude many more :-) |
| 20:58.54 | bbelt16ag | nah too much gui and not enough cli |
| 20:59.05 | geo-rge | bbelt16ag: if that's the case, you need to get out more :) |
| 20:59.29 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: it does not hurt to have them both. |
| 20:59.30 | itchi | bbelt16ag: kug, aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; aptitude install foo |
| 20:59.32 | geo-rge | aptitude is also a cmd line tool |
| 20:59.43 | bbelt16ag | whats the diff? |
| 20:59.50 | plutonas | pumpkin0: ok, thank you. Thanks asg too. |
| 20:59.53 | bbelt16ag | more features for aptitude>? |
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| 21:00.05 | geo-rge | aptitude is supposed to be better at figuring out deps |
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| 21:00.09 | itchi | bbelt16ag: aptitude have an better depencie troubleshooter |
| 21:00.09 | bbelt16ag | ok |
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| 21:00.14 | pumpkin0 | bbelt16ag: aptitude can auto-clean your system and remove unneeded libs. |
| 21:00.24 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 21:00.27 | geo-rge | whereas apt-get was only meant as a test of the libs |
| 21:00.29 | bbelt16ag | not sure if i want that |
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| 21:00.37 | geo-rge | but it got popular FAST |
| 21:00.39 | itchi | bbelt16ag: You _want_ that ;-) |
| 21:01.05 | bbelt16ag | what if i got alib i wanna have once in a while when i plug in my camera or a scanner ? |
| 21:01.10 | itchi | bbelt16ag: Forget about apt-get (just apt-get) and use aptitude as replacement ;-) |
| 21:01.11 | bbelt16ag | and it deletes it? |
| 21:01.24 | bbelt16ag | aptitude is too long |
| 21:01.30 | geo-rge | it wouldn't delete it if the app that uses the lib was installed |
| 21:01.32 | bbelt16ag | i will make an alias for it if i use it |
| 21:01.35 | pumpkin0 | bbelt16ag: you want it. Or you want deborpan. Or you have way too much HD-space. (That´s not a problem, aptitude is smart enough for that) |
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| 21:01.44 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 21:01.49 | jelly | bbelt16ag: only one letter longer than apt-get, wtf |
| 21:01.50 | bbelt16ag | making an alias |
| 21:01.53 | pumpkin0 | bbelt16ag: try "apti<TAB>" ? |
| 21:01.55 | geo-rge | you think that's -long-?? :) |
| 21:01.59 | bbelt16ag | :) |
| 21:02.03 | itchi | bbelt16ag: apti<tab> where <tab> is the tabulation key, many shorter to type as apt-get |
| 21:02.18 | itchi | shit, im so slow haha |
| 21:02.20 | geo-rge | some of the lines these shell guys write are impossibly long |
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| 21:02.38 | pumpkin0 | jelly: it´s the same length: apt-<tab> or apti<tab> ... |
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| 21:02.57 | geo-rge | yeah, apt-<tab> won't work if you have for example also apt-cache |
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| 21:03.32 | itchi | Nope, apt-g<TAB> |
| 21:03.33 | jelly | bbelt16ag: if you're into streamlining the system, check also deborphan and its orphaner ui. |
| 21:03.46 | jelly | pumpkin0: apt-<tab> doesn't work. |
| 21:04.02 | Havokmon | I'm having a hell of a time just installing a 'testing' kernel on sarge :( The dependancies won't install, and I get 'extra junk at end of file' when I try forcing the version with apt.conf |
| 21:04.02 | pumpkin0 | jelly: hey, even longer ... |
| 21:04.17 | pumpkin0 | Havokmon: you should not do that. |
| 21:04.30 | Havokmon | oh :) |
| 21:04.30 | jelly | Havokmon: use backports.org. |
| 21:04.46 | Havokmon | oh really? Ok, I'll add that to sources then |
| 21:04.49 | Havokmon | Thanks |
| 21:04.52 | pumpkin0 | Havokmon: you will break a lot of things if you do that. |
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| 21:06.01 | Havokmon | ok, that explains why it a pain :) |
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| 21:06.01 | geo-rge | not if he pins properly |
| 21:06.02 | jelly | Havokmon: read up on it first... although your system might already be hosed if you have added testing/etch and tried to install stuff from it. |
| 21:06.08 | geo-rge | oh, backports will or will not break a sarge system after dist-upgrade? |
| 21:06.14 | Havokmon | jelly: I haven't added anything yet, when I put the examples from apt_preferences into apt.conf, apt broke :/ |
| 21:06.28 | Havokmon | so I'm still all sage. |
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| 21:06.33 | jelly | Havokmon: good thing. ;-) |
| 21:06.33 | Havokmon | sarge |
| 21:06.39 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: 50:50 |
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| 21:06.41 | plutonas | pumpkin0: i loaded them both, but speed doesn't seem to increase. do i have to unload the usb1 drivers first in order that the usb2 drivers take effect? |
| 21:06.46 | Havokmon | yes, thanks :) |
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| 21:07.14 | geo-rge | pumpkin0: so it'll be half broken? |
| 21:07.30 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: no. Are you sure the device is USB 2.0 HiSpeed ? (and not USB2.0 fullSpeed or some other rip-off ?) |
| 21:08.00 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: it depends on what is installed from sarge at dist-upgrade. |
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| 21:08.32 | geo-rge | this is nuts... I probably should go to etch |
| 21:08.37 | plutonas | pumpkin0: i dont know... i think the prospectus of my laptop said that the ports are usb2. does it have to do with the stick too? |
| 21:08.50 | michael117 | I have a home server set up and need to run a GUI program on it and wondering which desktop environment/window manager would be suggested that is lightweight and will not leave a large memory footprint? |
| 21:08.51 | jelly | Havokmon: I installed 2.6.16 from backports on a sarge machine a few weeks ago, and it was sort-of broken. Maybe they have newer packages now. |
| 21:08.52 | abrotman | geo-rge: stop being a wuss . just do it already |
| 21:09.09 | geo-rge | I'm going to install xorg from backports first |
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| 21:09.32 | xFred_ | does someone successfuly use tun (on 2.6.x/etch) devices here ? Got weird 'SIOCSIFADDR: No such device' message when I try to create one with ifconfig. Any clue ? |
| 21:09.36 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: the stick, (the hubs and) the ports all have to be USB 2.0 HiSpeed. If one of them is something else: bye-bye USB2 speed. |
| 21:09.37 | jelly | Havokmon: be especially worried if it tries to install udev as a dependency. |
| 21:09.38 | Havokmon | jelly: Hmm ok, I'll keep that in mind. This is the 2nd system I've had heavy-load crashes with 2.6.8 - 2.6.17 worked fine on the other |
| 21:10.00 | jelly | Havokmon: oh, the easiest thing might be to build your own kernel. |
| 21:10.08 | pumpkin0 | michael117: can you use a another box and do remote X ? |
| 21:10.24 | jelly | Havokmon: Debian doesn't mind even if you don't package it. |
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| 21:10.43 | rfrank | michael117, xfce is a good one |
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| 21:11.04 | rfrank | michael117, quite lightweightalthough there are others which are even more lightweight, I believe blackbox is, but never used it before |
| 21:11.08 | geo-rge | but it's a bit more convenient if you do package the kernel, and it's easy enough |
| 21:11.34 | jelly | Havokmon: if the hardware is the same, you could just copy /boot/{System.map,vmlinuz,initrd}-2.6.17 and /lib/modules/2.6.17 from the other machine... |
| 21:11.36 | asg | !kp mantra |
| 21:11.36 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 21:11.46 | plutonas | and pumpkin0 the stick only says usb 2.0 compliant and 1.1 compatible. what does this mean to hispeed, or fullspeed or whatever? |
| 21:12.05 | michael117 | pumpkin0: Well, I'm actually using Azureus, the bit torrent client, on my server and have many plugins allowing me to not even rely on the GUI but it is a GUI app so I need something to run it and have it open at all times |
| 21:12.11 | plutonas | probably if it was hispeed, they would write it? |
| 21:12.27 | rfrank | michael117, why not use a command line bt app |
| 21:12.50 | michael117 | pumpkin0: Do you know of a way to run a GUI app but to close the GUI and leave it running? |
| 21:13.17 | michael117 | rfrank: I have yet to find a good one with as many features that isn't banned by private trackers |
| 21:13.32 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: it may be hispeed. It may be a ripoff. The USB-specs favor ripoffs... |
| 21:13.38 | michael117 | rfrank: Do you have any recommendations that I could check out? |
| 21:13.53 | pumpkin0 | michael117: use a vncserver. |
| 21:14.10 | pumpkin0 | michael117: that is a lot lighter on RAM then a real X11 server. |
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| 21:14.31 | plutonas | pumpkin0: so what is your opinion? is it more possible that this is the fault, and i should leave it? or should i searh more? |
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| 21:14.40 | myren | how do i make xterm invert for the entire system? |
| 21:14.40 | Beamfoam | hi |
| 21:14.42 | michael117 | pumpkin0: yes, I already use xtightvncserver |
| 21:14.46 | Beamfoam | i'm having serious apt trouble! |
| 21:14.47 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: what speed do you get ? |
| 21:14.51 | myren | i FSCKING HATE white background |
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| 21:15.05 | myren | where are the systemwide .Xresources? |
| 21:15.12 | Beamfoam | apt has messed up some dependencies.. now it won't upgrade glibc because glibc-common can't be installed because of something |
| 21:15.23 | geo-rge | alllllllllllllllll rightey then :) |
| 21:15.25 | pumpkin0 | michael117: use a simple vnc-server not a optimized for clients and bandwidth one. |
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| 21:16.39 | usr_rob | The release of debian 4.0 is nearing its end soon right? Anyone who knows when? |
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| 21:16.45 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 21:16.46 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 21:16.46 | pumpkin0 | Beamfoam: did you mix sarge, etch, sid ? |
| 21:17.09 | asg | abrotman: *sigh* just like last time, and the time before that, and the time before that.... |
| 21:17.11 | plutonas | pumpkin0: i think about 150 kbytes/sec |
| 21:17.13 | geo-rge | usr_rob: you could install it now... |
| 21:17.17 | Beamfoam | pumpkin0: uh. don't think so |
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| 21:18.49 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: did you test by reading the whole thing to /dev/null ? (time cat /dev/sdX > /dev/null) |
| 21:18.49 | asg | abrotman: we should change the topic to 'When /. has announced etch's release and taken a jab at BSD, you can come here and ask if it's true.' |
| 21:18.50 | pumpkin0 | Beamfoam: post your /etc/apt/sources.lst in a pastebin. |
| 21:18.50 | usr_rob | geo-rge: I need the kernel 2.6.18 out of the box |
| 21:18.50 | plutonas | pumpkin0: no... |
| 21:18.55 | plutonas | but i press a du /dev/sda every sec |
| 21:18.59 | geo-rge | usr_rob: to support what? |
| 21:19.08 | plutonas | and it has about 150kbytes more every time |
| 21:19.19 | geo-rge | oops... hold that thought |
| 21:19.21 | usr_rob | geo-rge: My Thinkpad R60 |
| 21:19.22 | plutonas | 120-170 |
| 21:19.48 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 21:20.18 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: do the read-test (stop writing first). And get more infos about the USB-chip you use (2.0 on all ports ?) |
| 21:20.34 | usr_rob | geo-rge: My child takes all my time now, so i dont have the time to configure everything... :( |
| 21:20.53 | helo | which is likely to be more stable: sarge with xorg and 2.6 kernel, or testing? |
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| 21:21.11 | plutonas | pumpkin0: reading is fast enough, but i will do the test anyway |
| 21:21.49 | kingsley | helo: My Guess is testing..., but it's hard to know for sure. |
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| 21:22.12 | helo | is etch in a feature freeze atm? |
| 21:22.28 | helo | someone said something about a release within a month? |
| 21:22.43 | stew | helo: read the message from december in /msg dpkg wwer |
| 21:22.54 | stew | helo: etch is in a "soft freeze" and parts are hard frozen |
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| 21:23.10 | asg | stew: so there are slushy bits? |
| 21:23.34 | stew | asg: i guess slush is a soft freeze |
| 21:23.42 | sussudio | iceweasels? |
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| 21:24.29 | geo-rge | is xorg officially in sarge? |
| 21:24.29 | stew | i have brandy slush in my freezer |
| 21:24.33 | stew | geo-rge: no |
| 21:25.08 | moshii | hmm I've just installed NIS and says failed to bind to servier backgrounding ... is that normal? I've told it that it's going to be master but it still tries to bind |
| 21:25.13 | helo | so, if i need a 2.6 kernel and more recent version of X, testing might not be too idiotic for a production system |
| 21:25.13 | jelly | Does aptitude have a gui? |
| 21:25.17 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: unplug/replug first. If you don´t do that the kernel will not read the stick because is already has stuff in cache. |
| 21:25.23 | rfrank | jelly: synaptic? |
| 21:25.29 | rfrank | jelly: yes |
| 21:25.29 | jelly | rfrank: no, aptitude |
| 21:25.37 | rfrank | well aptitude itself, yes |
| 21:25.44 | pumpkin0 | jelly: aptitude has a console-GUI ... |
| 21:25.49 | rfrank | yeah |
| 21:25.51 | geo-rge | moshii: would your master machine also use the nis database for users? |
| 21:25.57 | jelly | pumpkin0: g is for Graphic |
| 21:26.04 | rfrank | o_O |
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| 21:26.16 | jelly | I know about the console ui. |
| 21:26.26 | asg | jelly: xterm -e aptitude |
| 21:26.48 | jelly | ok, I'll take that as no |
| 21:26.51 | geo-rge | r is for really cool graphics... |
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| 21:27.02 | moshii | geo-rge: this is the first time I've used nis, I just followed a how to on debian-administration |
| 21:27.13 | geo-rge | a is for how amazed you'll be at the graphics... |
| 21:27.30 | geo-rge | moshii: so you have some decisions to make |
| 21:27.43 | rfrank | is debian good for a software router? |
| 21:27.53 | geo-rge | yep, got one right here |
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| 21:28.04 | geo-rge | as smart as you want |
| 21:28.47 | rahul | aptitude actually has basically all that most GUI apps have |
| 21:28.53 | rahul | you can use the mouse to click on stuff in it, too |
| 21:28.55 | moshii | geo-rge: do you have a quick start tip? |
| 21:29.10 | usr_rob | i have been using debian since 2002 have it on my other laptop, i'm going to try opensuse now hehe, please dont beat me up... lack of time makes people do things they normally would not do... |
| 21:29.38 | geo-rge | you already did it.. you installed the package... other than that, no... I'd get the oreilly book NIS and NFS and read it |
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| 21:30.18 | asg | moshii: generally, as with any package, reading /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* is recommended |
| 21:30.27 | zulu_ | hi there, how to know the specific options of your printer (compared to generic one from cups?) |
| 21:30.41 | plutonas | pumpkin0: i did, all i get is all the keys in different forms |
| 21:30.58 | plutonas | i mean there is one line !123456...abcdef....zABC...Z |
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| 21:31.03 | moshii | asg: I just wondered if my install had gone wrong or something |
| 21:31.16 | plutonas | then they come out one charakter at a line |
| 21:31.16 | itchi | In gparted, i can not select fat16, how come that? |
| 21:31.34 | plutonas | etc. and it never finishes |
| 21:31.40 | asg | moshii: probaby did nothing wrong, there is probably much you have to do to get things going. |
| 21:32.01 | geo-rge | asg: unfortunately many packages don't have much in the doc dir, and not even a list of executables so you could man them |
| 21:32.20 | asg | geo-rge: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 21:32.22 | geo-rge | I wouldn't exactly call that general encouragement :) |
| 21:32.27 | zulu_ | itchi fat16 cannot allocate more than 4Gbytes perhaps you wanted to created a bigger partition? |
| 21:32.40 | itchi | zulu_: It's for the usb key, 1GB |
| 21:32.49 | asg | geo-rge: it will give you the list. Also, each package should have a README.Debian{.gz} or it's a bug. |
| 21:33.17 | geo-rge | just like each executable should have a man page |
| 21:33.25 | geo-rge | key word: should |
| 21:33.27 | zulu_ | reading help from cups I can find standard option for printers, what about specific ones? |
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| 21:33.32 | asg | geo-rge: get writing then |
| 21:33.36 | itchi | fat16 is the best fs for an USB key? Nothings that make journaling, but should be used to on diabolic boxes |
| 21:33.56 | Beamfoam | pumpkin0: actually i use rh9. i'm using freshrpms and dag packages.. the problem has been around since forever, i just today tried to fix the dependencies by reinstalling some packages and it worked fine until i got to glibc.. then everything went horribly wrong |
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| 21:34.15 | pstickne | itchi, why not fat32? |
| 21:34.22 | stew | why not ext2? |
| 21:34.26 | raf256 | Polish debian developer was charged of stealing, and possibly will be arrested |
| 21:34.26 | pstickne | windows |
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| 21:34.35 | itchi | pstickne: If i can select that, will be good too |
| 21:34.38 | geo-rge | if the package maint isn't doing that for package s/he authors, I'm not understanding clearly why s/he's packaging in the first place |
| 21:34.45 | pstickne | (I use my USB drives on windows, linux and OS X machine) |
| 21:34.46 | asg | raf256: darn, now etch will never release |
| 21:34.48 | grzywacz | raf256, url? |
| 21:34.54 | itchi | stew: It should be work on diabolic boxes :-( |
| 21:35.12 | michela | hi all, how do you find out what version debian you are running? it doesn't say in uname |
| 21:35.18 | raf256 | ... because he was heaving a pack of empty recordable DVDs in his back back while shopping in polish "Saturn" computer shop |
| 21:35.21 | raf256 | I love my coutry! |
| 21:35.23 | asg | michela: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:35.28 | raf256 | grzywacz asg - no link |
| 21:35.33 | grzywacz | Ok. ;) |
| 21:36.09 | raf256 | my coutry sucks more then the lack of working SFTP client in debian |
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| 21:36.32 | asg | raf256: what's wrong with sftp(1)? |
| 21:36.40 | raf256 | one that support resume command |
| 21:36.41 | michela | asg, how does that relate to stable, testing, unstable etc? |
| 21:36.49 | helo | raf256: i think most of us are from the USA... |
| 21:37.04 | asg | michela: if it says 3.1, it's stable, Otherwise, you'll have to do more digging. |
| 21:37.09 | raf256 | helo: Poland socks almost as bad, but in different way |
| 21:37.17 | raf256 | helo: although this is off topic so.. |
| 21:37.21 | helo | yeah |
| 21:37.25 | itchi | helo: No, im from Belgium :-) |
| 21:37.53 | geo-rge | but I bet socks from Poland are really good... |
| 21:37.54 | helo | if i don't install the standard system, will i have dpkg or apt? |
| 21:38.06 | michela | asg, I'm on 4.0 but can't see whether this is etch, sid, ... |
| 21:38.09 | asg | michela: look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:38.11 | pumpkin0 | Beamfoam: why don´t you try the rh-channel ? |
| 21:38.39 | jelly | raf256: um... can you use rsync instead? |
| 21:38.41 | geo-rge | helo: the base has apt-get and dpkg |
| 21:38.58 | d-c_64 | hello, whats happend to /usr/sbin/base-config ? I've done a new install a few weeks ago and need to have another look at the base-config, what should I be using now? |
| 21:39.07 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: "cat /dev/sdX > /dev/null". The 2. part is important.... |
| 21:39.13 | Zap-W | how does inetd know to what port listen to if the service name isn't listed in /etc/services in case of "ident" service per example in inetd.conf |
| 21:39.14 | raf256 | "Polish debian devel arrested - falselly accused of stealing 10 usd worth pack of reccordable DVDs, without any evidences" that would be a nice news wouldnt it |
| 21:39.34 | grzywacz | Kind of. ;-) |
| 21:39.50 | michela | asg, thanks for that. As I've got etch and unstable listed there I guess I'm unstable right? |
| 21:39.53 | geo-rge | so the Standard System (defined by all packages except optional and extra) would also have those |
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| 21:40.12 | jelly | raf256: that's why you should keep the receipt! |
| 21:40.29 | raf256 | grzywacz: from Kraków's Galeria Centrum's Saturn shop. avoid it |
| 21:40.38 | geo-rge | michela: I don't know you well enough to determine if you're unstable... but your system might be |
| 21:40.50 | asg | michela: more than likely, especially if you ran 'apt-get dist-upgrade' at some point |
| 21:40.53 | stew | d-c_64: there is no more base-config ; did you install with d-i (like from a cd?) or with debootstap? |
| 21:41.03 | raf256 | jelly: I hoped in a coutry of law one have to prove the guilt, not viceversa |
| 21:41.06 | grzywacz | Hm. I happen to visit Galeria once in a while... I'll keep that in mind. :P |
| 21:41.09 | plutonas | ok pumpkin0 ti runs. |
| 21:41.17 | Zap-W | ah cause of alias |
| 21:41.18 | d-c_64 | stew it was a net install |
| 21:41.29 | raf256 | although Socialist-Communist Kingdom of Kaczyńscy (Poland) is not a coutry of law </off-topic> |
| 21:41.42 | stew | d-c_64: then everything that used to be done by base-config is now done before the first reboot |
| 21:41.44 | michela | I'm relatively stable, but I've only ever run apt-get upgrade (not dist-upgrade). Trying to determine whether I need to add etch or sid to my sources list for a new package repository |
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| 21:41.46 | asg | raf256: no country has that, it's all just sophist lawyers playing silly buggers. |
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| 21:42.28 | geo-rge | michela: not knowing anything else... you could stay with what you have if it all works for you |
| 21:42.29 | d-c_64 | stew: so I cant re run the installer ? |
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| 21:43.14 | ma3x | is there a way to order filenames all at once? |
| 21:43.20 | stew | d-c_64: no. which part do you want to change? |
| 21:43.29 | ma3x | let's say I have 100 files random named and I want to rename them to 001.txt 002.txt ... |
| 21:43.29 | plutonas | pumpkin0: here there is the output, i paste it its only 3 lines: |
| 21:43.29 | plutonas | real 1m13.894s |
| 21:43.29 | plutonas | user 0m0.200s |
| 21:43.29 | plutonas | sys 0m5.282s |
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| 21:43.33 | michela | geor-rge, my setup can't find the mencoder package so according to debian-multimedia.org I have to add a new source for either etch or unstable - and not clear which one |
| 21:43.44 | geo-rge | ma3x: sure, you can order thru me... just send $25 to... |
| 21:43.49 | asg | ma3x: man rename (and a complex regex) |
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| 21:44.04 | ma3x | asg: tell me howto exactly |
| 21:44.08 | plutonas | lol |
| 21:44.12 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: it´s a 3 line limit ... anyway: how big is the stick ? |
| 21:44.13 | plutonas | for 3 lines... |
| 21:44.25 | geo-rge | plutonas: nope, for 4 :) |
| 21:44.25 | asg | plutonas: yes, it's a busy channel |
| 21:44.30 | d-c_64 | stew: I wanted to have a look at time zones (day light savings), i'm running mythtv also and it causeing havoc with the tv guide |
| 21:44.38 | Beamfoam | where is apt's cache usually stored? |
| 21:44.55 | plutonas | pumpkin0: its 1gb, but only 240mb are written to it |
| 21:45.04 | plutonas | geo-rge: the first was not a paste |
| 21:45.07 | asg | ma3x: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:45.12 | d-c_64 | stew: really wanted to check for "GMT" |
| 21:45.22 | geo-rge | but it is what the bot saw :) |
| 21:45.33 | itchi | In gparted, i can only select ext2, ext3, linux-swap and unformatted. There others are greyed. Miss i somethings? fat, vfat modules are loaded |
| 21:45.54 | ma3x | asg I want to systematically (001,002,003.....100) rename my dsc photos |
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| 21:45.59 | plutonas | geo-rge: so if i write fast enough, i may be kicked for pasting? |
| 21:46.03 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: that is 14 MB/s. That is very fast for a stick. (You did un/replug to clean the cache ?) |
| 21:46.29 | geo-rge | plutonas: yep, but not banned (a human makes that call) |
| 21:46.49 | stew | ma3x: something like a=1 ; ls | sort | while read file ; do mv $file $(printf "%03d" $a); a=$((a+1)); done |
| 21:47.09 | stew | ma3x: if there are already files in the 000-999 namespace before renaming, it could fuck up |
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| 21:47.59 | plutonas | pumpkin0: i think, let me try again |
| 21:48.08 | itchi | In cfdisk fat32 is that 0C W95 FAT32 (LBA) ? |
| 21:48.13 | asg | ma3x: something like 'NUM=0 for i in $(ls -1 /dir/of/photos/of/sheep) ; do mv $i $NUM.photo ; $NUM = $((NUM +1)) ; done |
| 21:48.27 | asg | ma3x: make sure you have backups and test it first before blindly following instructions |
| 21:49.31 | ma3x | asg: I typed what stew told me and worked |
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| 21:50.48 | plutonas | pumpkin0: i unpluged it and repluged it and got: |
| 21:50.52 | plutonas | real 1m17.698s |
| 21:50.52 | ma3x | thanks stew and asg |
| 21:51.41 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: the stick is OK and USB2 is working at 480MBit. Mount it and past the output of "mount" into a pastebin. |
| 21:51.43 | plutonas | pumpkin0: but thats read-time. read-time is ok. on the write time i have the problem |
| 21:52.58 | CAiRO | is there a way to make certain programs only use one cpu on a dual core system? |
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| 21:52.59 | d-c_64 | stew: thanks anyway for letting me know that base-config is now obsolete. I can atleast look into other options now. |
| 21:53.00 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: USB-speed is the same for up and down-stream |
| 21:53.01 | plutonas | pumpkin0: did i say 240mb? i made a mistake, its 24mb |
| 21:53.01 | geo-rge | CAiRO; don't install smp kernel? |
| 21:53.02 | plutonas | pumpkin0: not here |
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| 21:53.03 | CAiRO | geo-rge: that doesn't do what i want |
| 21:53.03 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: i guess the mount-options are a bit f**ked. |
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| 21:53.05 | CAiRO | geo-rge: i said "certain" programs.. that will make all programs only run on one cpu |
| 21:53.05 | geo-rge | then you didn't tell me what you want |
| 21:53.05 | CAiRO | sure |
| 21:53.07 | plutonas | pumpkin0: what output? i never get output while mounting |
| 21:53.07 | CAiRO | you just have to read more exactly |
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| 21:53.19 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: run "mount" without any options. That will tell you stuff... |
| 21:53.36 | plutonas | ah.. ok |
| 21:54.03 | geo-rge | I have a dual core intel... but it's presently not powered up |
| 21:54.07 | pumpkin0 | !tell plutonas about paste |
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| 21:54.16 | plutonas | pumpkin0: the line that interests you is probably this one: |
| 21:54.19 | michela | I've just added a new apt-get source for the first time and getting this warning "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 21:54.21 | plutonas | /dev/sda on /mnt/usb type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync) |
| 21:54.21 | michela | A70DAF536070D3A1" - Is this a showstopper or sign that debian-multimedia.org is tainted? |
| 21:55.13 | plutonas | pumpkin0: if you want i can paste the whole output to pastebin |
| 21:55.15 | geo-rge | you just have to get that key on your ring |
| 21:55.16 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: the "sync"-option kills the performance. |
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| 21:55.25 | stew | michela: debian-multimedia shouldn't be signed with that key, that is the etch key |
| 21:55.30 | plutonas | aha, how should this line in my fstab be? |
| 21:56.02 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: to test: "mount -o remount,async /mount-point" and write stuff to the stick. And ALWAYS umount before unpluging. |
| 21:56.17 | michela | stew, I added deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main as per http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ and got that |
| 21:56.25 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: "noatime" is another option to get better performance. |
| 21:56.28 | stew | michela: debian-multimedia should be signed with 1F41B907 not 6070D3A1. your official debian mirror should be signed with 6070D3A1 |
| 21:56.29 | itchi | hhhmm made the partition with cfdisk, run again gparted, and he say unknown in the Filesystem column |
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| 21:57.48 | michela | stew, I don't follow, is that an issue for the mirror or for my config? Not clear on whether this is something I can fix |
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| 21:58.02 | itchi | Looks like the system no reconise other fs than ext2 and 3 |
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| 21:58.12 | d-c_64 | michela: debian-multimedia tells you how to add the key |
| 21:58.18 | geo-rge | michela: he's saying you actually need two difrferent keys |
| 21:58.20 | stew | michela: i think its just you mis-reading the warnings. in any case that IS a valid trusted key, /msg dpkg no public key |
| 21:58.27 | plutonas | pumpkin0: yes now the speed is increased very much. that was it. i always unmount... how should my fstab look like? should i just delete the sync, or replace it with async? |
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| 21:58.44 | Beamfoam | what does it mean apt: The following packages have been kept back |
| 21:58.50 | stew | Beamfoam: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 21:59.14 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: replace it with async. and run "cp big-file /stick; sync" to test the real speed. the sync flushes changes to the stick. |
| 21:59.17 | Obstfliege | nabend |
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| 22:00.01 | geo-rge | now that is an ugly change... |
| 22:00.24 | Goyim | where can I find backported versions of ndiswrapper |
| 22:00.28 | Displacer | who knows where should i find config to enable VTs |
| 22:00.28 | Frizz0` | secret |
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| 22:00.47 | stew | heh, i'm having to tunnel rdp through an ssh session through a vpn. it's really disconcerting to be typing "rdesktop localhost" |
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| 22:00.59 | numist | dpkg: ops SouL(n=I-WiLL-N@88.243.41.169) spamming porn links on join |
| 22:00.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: numist complains about: SouL(n=I-WiLL-N@88.243.41.169) spamming porn links on join |
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| 22:01.10 | asg | stew: hehe, I do it all the time ;) |
| 22:01.16 | Displacer | and then call them by Ctrl+Alt+Fx |
| 22:01.20 | stew | i NEVER get the porn spam |
| 22:01.24 | stew | asg: do you mind /cycling? |
| 22:01.26 | numist | stew: you want it? |
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| 22:01.55 | Malagmyr | I didn't get any porn links :/ |
| 22:01.58 | numist | :o |
| 22:02.06 | Displacer | i have upgraded to etch rc1 and calling VTs seems to stop working |
| 22:02.06 | Displacer | from sarge |
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| 22:02.22 | hyperactivecrond | i have a 200 mhz 128mb 'server' that formerly ran novell netware. netware crapped out. it has 4.5gb of hdd. would it be feasible to run samba, dhcpd, and webmin for both on those? |
| 22:02.23 | geo-rge | can we !ops the nickchange spammer |
| 22:02.37 | stew | geo-rge: please don't bother |
| 22:02.45 | asg | stew: got nothing here |
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| 22:03.14 | peterS | Zack`: could you stop doing that please |
| 22:03.15 | geo-rge | that's why I asked... since you're here and you see it, I just wanted to register my vote that it's kinda annoying |
| 22:03.19 | scrumptious | bloody hell, it doesnt do it to this client |
| 22:03.26 | numist | wonder why it did it for me |
| 22:03.33 | pumpkin0 | hyperactivecrond: yes. But webmin will be the tricky part |
| 22:03.44 | pumpkin0 | !tell hyperactivecrond about webmin |
| 22:04.10 | geo-rge | still annoying :P |
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| 22:04.11 | numist | it was even in colour :/ |
| 22:04.11 | peterS | Benifer: stop changing your nick, thanks - while you're in this channel, anyway |
| 22:04.22 | simonrvn | /ignore *!n=user@ursus.biology.ualberta.ca |
| 22:04.42 | numist | hmph |
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| 22:04.52 | simonrvn | problem solved |
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| 22:05.16 | plutonas | pumpkin0: now with the ;sync, it finished writing, but the cp.... command doesnt seem to have terminated, should i terminate it? |
| 22:05.21 | stew | we've seen other pornbot complatins about that ident before |
| 22:05.44 | simonrvn | the idents are usually the thing that gives them away |
| 22:05.47 | asg | stew: interesting since a number of OpenBSD folk run things at ualberta |
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| 22:06.00 | plutonas | oh no it just terminated |
| 22:06.12 | pickcoder | CAiRO: no, you can't force a process to run on a specific CPU. However, the scheduler in 2.4 and up tries to keep a process on one CPU |
| 22:06.14 | plutonas | but it didnt say anything about the speed |
| 22:06.18 | simonrvn | that's how /me has IDed them in the past |
| 22:06.19 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: no, leave it running and call sync after cp is done. sync only flushs stuff that cp already copied. |
| 22:06.19 | geo-rge | here we go again |
| 22:06.30 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: make up your mind please |
| 22:06.39 | pickcoder | also 2.6.18 is supposed to include better real-time preempting, which used to be a kernel patch |
| 22:06.42 | pumpkin0 | plutonas: you have to time that one with a normal clock ... |
| 22:06.58 | itchi | Weird, on another box (also Etch), gparted does his work, and i have been the fat16, fat32 in the list |
| 22:07.00 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, about? |
| 22:07.02 | numist | has anyone set up a machine with raid1, but one of the disks was in the post at install-time? |
| 22:07.04 | CAiRO | pickcoder: hmm, the man page of taskset says something different, at least how i understand it |
| 22:07.06 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: your nick |
| 22:07.13 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, why? |
| 22:07.17 | numist | I need to get the machine up now, but I want it to be RAID1 once the second disk gets here... |
| 22:07.23 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: so you can stop annoying us by changing it every 30 seconds |
| 22:07.24 | michela | stew, what did you mean by "/msg dpkg no public key" above? Followed the import key process but still getting warnings |
| 22:07.40 | pumpkin0 | numist: yes. You can just install the thing now without RAID and create the RAID latter. |
| 22:07.40 | concept10 | Anyone here use wireless mouse? Ive had this for two weeks, and im on third set of batteries. Is this normal? |
| 22:07.43 | pickcoder | CAiRO: you can specify a nice value to change priority, but you can't force a single process to run solely on a specific CPU |
| 22:07.54 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, if it bothers you that much, you are welcome to use your ignore feature. |
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| 22:07.56 | simonrvn | concept10: don't play games with it? :P |
| 22:07.56 | numist | pumpkin0: how does that work then.. is there docs somewhere? |
| 22:07.59 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: so that we don't have to see your nick changes, which cause whoever to be sufficiently annoyed as to have to lift a finger to ignore you |
| 22:08.09 | CAiRO | pickcoder: did you read the man page of taskset? how do you understand it? |
| 22:08.10 | Displacer | people, what can i do with my stopped terminals, who can help? |
| 22:08.11 | pickcoder | CAiRO: it may still have to give up time for a higher process |
| 22:08.19 | plutonas | pumpkin0: well thank you very much for your help and your time. :D |
| 22:08.20 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, god forbig. |
| 22:08.22 | Ilovemypuppy | ds |
| 22:08.26 | pickcoder | scheduling is done in a queue for each CPU |
| 22:08.28 | pumpkin0 | numist: google about "Software RAID1 linux". It´s a standard proceudre. |
| 22:08.30 | concept10 | simonrvn, maybe thats the reason, i dont play much though |
| 22:08.38 | CAiRO | pickcoder: "The Linux scheduler will honor the given CPU affinity and the process will not run on any other CPUs." |
| 22:08.41 | hyperactivecrond | i have a 200 mhz 128mb 'server' that formerly ran novell netware. netware crapped out. it has 4.5gb of hdd. would it be feasible to run samba, dhcpd, and webmin for both on those? i apologize if somebody answered my question but BX on windows won't let one scroll up : |
| 22:08.43 | CAiRO | pickcoder: that's what the man page says |
| 22:08.52 | pumpkin0 | hyperactivecrond: yes. But webmin will be the tricky part |
| 22:08.55 | pumpkin0 | !tell hyperactivecrond about webmin |
| 22:09.02 | pumpkin0 | got it this time ? |
| 22:09.03 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: I can't use ignore, it's not fair for ops to ignore people, so when something annoys me enough my only real recourse is to make it go away |
| 22:09.04 | pickcoder | CAiRO: hm |
| 22:09.11 | stew | michela: can you put the output of "apt-key list ; apt-get update" into a pastebin? |
| 22:09.17 | pickcoder | then there's a huge conflict in information |
| 22:09.18 | CAiRO | pickcoder: though, maybe the man page is wrong, i don't know where you've your information from |
| 22:09.20 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, I'm sorry you feel that way. Have a nice day :) |
| 22:09.30 | hyperactivecrond | pumpkin0: any idea to any alternatives? |
| 22:09.31 | pickcoder | CAiRO: ask #kernel |
| 22:09.38 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: so long as you've decided on a nick once and for all, I'll have one. in fact it _is_ a nice day, in any case. |
| 22:09.47 | abrotman | it's 12! |
| 22:09.53 | simonrvn | nice here too, or was, despite the cold |
| 22:09.57 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: plus your nick changes came right after someone was removed from the channel for changing his nick continuously... it would almost seem you're trying to annoy without being caught at doing so |
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| 22:10.01 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, thats nice. |
| 22:10.12 | peterS | thanks, asg |
| 22:10.13 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, therapy might help you with that. |
| 22:10.14 | abrotman | i didn't get one! |
| 22:10.19 | simonrvn | !beer abrotman |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | Ilovemypuppy: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 22:10.25 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: don't condescend |
| 22:10.26 | CAiRO | pickcoder: hey, i thought you were the one who disagrees with the man page |
| 22:10.30 | pickcoder | CAiRO: you've misread it. taskset will set the queue on which the process will run |
| 22:10.34 | peterS | that's another way to annoy us |
| 22:10.41 | pickcoder | it will not prevent other processes from getting time slices, though |
| 22:10.50 | Ilovemypuppy | abrotman, i didnt start this discussion. |
| 22:10.59 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: just drop it and move on |
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| 22:11.03 | Ilovemypuppy | ok |
| 22:11.05 | michela | stew, here's those dumps - http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/663 |
| 22:11.06 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: just an (accurate) observation... evidently you are trying to annoy people |
| 22:11.07 | simonrvn | ow |
| 22:11.13 | abrotman | Ilovemypuppy: that wasn't the question .. i just asked if you had a Debian-related question |
| 22:11.17 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, no. |
| 22:11.17 | CAiRO | pickcoder: yes, that's not what i need, i just want a certain program to only use one of the cpus, i'm aware that other programs still might use both cpus |
| 22:11.18 | simonrvn | not on my foot! :P |
| 22:11.24 | pickcoder | CAiRO: the linux scheduler puts processes on the same CPU for performance reasons (write caching, etc) |
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| 22:11.44 | hyperactivecrond | are there any (maintained) alternatives to webmin for web management of services? |
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| 22:11.58 | abrotman | michela: did oyu install the debian-archive-keyring package ? |
| 22:12.04 | stew | michela: yeah, apt-key list is still not showing the etch key. /msg dpkg etch key |
| 22:12.04 | pickcoder | CAiRO: it should do that natively.. taskset will let you pick which CPU queue you want it on |
| 22:12.20 | pickcoder | if cpu2 is normally idle, then you can make it run on cpu2 |
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| 22:12.35 | michela | abrotman, no |
| 22:12.41 | abrotman | michela: please do so |
| 22:12.42 | CAiRO | pickcoder: well, i want to test if firefox has less bugs when i tell it to only run on one cpu.. since i've switched to a dual-core cpu i've quite some problems that i've never had before |
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| 22:13.06 | hyperactivecrond | i know samba has swat |
| 22:13.07 | pickcoder | CAiRO: non-smp boot option? |
| 22:13.29 | michela | ok install debian-archive-keyring thingie |
| 22:14.02 | geo-rge | ringie thingie |
| 22:14.13 | geo-rge | sings like stingie |
| 22:14.17 | asg | geo-rge: that's just the phone |
| 22:14.20 | abrotman | michela: yep .. then run apt-get update again |
| 22:14.28 | geo-rge | oh, sorry :) |
| 22:14.30 | CAiRO | pickcoder: yes, that might be the next step if taskset doesn't solve my problems |
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| 22:14.54 | pickcoder | CAiRO: what kind of problems? |
| 22:15.06 | michela | stew, just worked out what /msg dkpg etc meant - first time on channel... was scratching head against linux prompt..:-) |
| 22:15.25 | michela | all done, thanks guys |
| 22:15.29 | Ilovemypuppy | so how do I go about finding backported ndiswrapper ? i want to use the testing ndiswrapper package on stable |
| 22:15.32 | Ilovemypuppy | if possible |
| 22:15.55 | CAiRO | pickcoder: well, sometimes i have the problem that all frames on a web page pop up as new windows while the old "real" window is still visible but doesn't update anymore.. and when i close one of those new windows, firefox crashes |
| 22:15.57 | asg | Ilovemypuppy: backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 22:16.11 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 22:16.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 22:16.21 | CAiRO | pickcoder: and i have the feeling the more load there is, the more often the problem occurs |
| 22:16.21 | plutonas | !laptop |
| 22:16.21 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 22:16.22 | Ilovemypuppy | thanks |
| 22:16.30 | plutonas | !suspend |
| 22:16.31 | dpkg | suspend is, like, check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , no apm nor acpi is required or suspend2 (msg dpkg about - works for me beautifully!!) |
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| 22:16.45 | geo-rge | CAiRO: so maybe you'd want to test firefox under both (single-processor) conditions: (1) non-smp, and (2) smp but with taskset |
| 22:17.39 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: it might be possible to build the package under sarge... but to tell you the truth etch's dev env is pretty far from sarge right now |
| 22:17.48 | CAiRO | pickcoder: i could be wrong though, the problem only occurs occasionally.. like once or twice a day and when it starts to occur the first time, the frequency increases until i kill the process, which means i lose all browser windows.. hail to restore session |
| 22:18.12 | geo-rge | (that's what backports does, btw, tries to build etch or sid packages under sargs) |
| 22:18.15 | Ilovemypuppy | geo-rge, yeah I think i might be using etch on my server instead of sarge now |
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| 22:18.38 | pickcoder | CAiRO: is it specifically framesets that cause it? or will CSS divs do it too |
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| 22:18.56 | geo-rge | it might not be a bad thing... but is it for your work? or otherwise mission-critical? |
| 22:19.25 | Ilovemypuppy | for a home busines |
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| 22:19.34 | CAiRO | pickcoder: it's very possible that css divs do it too.. i happens mostly on stock chart pages that i use frequently.. but not solely |
| 22:19.37 | geo-rge | that sounds mission-critical to me |
| 22:19.44 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah it is |
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| 22:19.50 | Ilovemypuppy | but what am I gonna do |
| 22:19.59 | geo-rge | so... the first thing is keep backups |
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| 22:20.05 | pickcoder | If it's a rendering bug, then it would happen on the same page content every time |
| 22:20.14 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: if you are going to run a server on testing, you win a free subscription to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce ; and /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 22:20.25 | CAiRO | pickcoder: and no, no specific fames, i can't reproduce the bug.. it just happens sometimes the longer the firefox process is running |
| 22:20.30 | geo-rge | and have a multitiered backup plan |
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| 22:20.58 | pickcoder | sounds like a memory hole |
| 22:21.11 | itchi | stew: Know you why it's called 'tracker of doom'? |
| 22:21.13 | pickcoder | try stracing it and log the output |
| 22:21.20 | geo-rge | I'm fixing a hole where the rain gets in... |
| 22:21.34 | geo-rge | and stops my mind from wanderin... |
| 22:21.56 | Ilovemypuppy | well , if I can't use testing's ndiswrapper on stable, I dont have much of a choice if I want to use ndiswrapper |
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| 22:22.07 | Ilovemypuppy | stable's ndiswrapper doesnt work on my card. |
| 22:22.16 | abrotman | did you ask #ndiswrapper ? |
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| 22:22.30 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: we found that out yesterday |
| 22:22.42 | CAiRO | pickcoder: i'm afraid that's beyond my abilities, i'd have to have someone who cares to read the strace log.. and firefox will probably produce megabytes of it until the problem occurs |
| 22:22.52 | itchi | stew: Nothings to do of the doom game?? Yeah, dictionary have found the word here |
| 22:23.08 | Ilovemypuppy | abrotman, yes, but since its debians package and not the official ndiswrapper, im asking here too. |
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| 22:23.13 | geo-rge | CAiRO: you might have to be the "someone that cares" |
| 22:23.41 | itchi | stew: Some stuff have some historical names and so, you know, just wondering about that part, maybe have it also an nice story |
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| 22:24.15 | stew | itchi: the name seems pretty self explanitory to me |
| 22:24.16 | simonrvn | that'sa nice DB, tracker of doom. very useful |
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| 22:25.03 | itchi | stew: Yeah sure ;-) maybe are there an 'game' with the word 'tracker of doom'. |
| 22:25.33 | eldowan | Is it possible to get grub natively to chainload a cdrom? I've seen expamples online about a method using syslinux in conjunction with smbloader, but this is not what I am after. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:25.34 | Ilovemypuppy | wireless sure it slow with WPA enabled |
| 22:25.54 | Zap-W | say, when i open xterm , does it do a login ? |
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| 22:26.22 | yassine | what does the "-dev" in package names means like in : libncurses5-dev |
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| 22:26.49 | stew | yassine: libraries for development / compiling, as oppsed to runtime libraries |
| 22:26.58 | eldowan | yassine: The -dev packages include development files, including files needed for compiling many programs. |
| 22:27.11 | yassine | so its not related to the level of code |
| 22:27.26 | yassine | danke guys |
| 22:27.26 | stew | yassine: typically there will be a libfoo and a libfoo-dev. pacakges need libfoo-dev for compilation will need libfoo for runtime |
| 22:27.35 | pickcoder | CAiRO: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=263160 |
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| 22:28.22 | CAiRO | pickcoder: cool, thanks a lot, i'll comment to that bug report |
| 22:28.28 | ma3x | this new iceweasel seems a lot slower to me |
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| 22:28.47 | rfrank | what kinda name is iceweasel anyway |
| 22:28.51 | Ilovemypuppy | im off to get some food - thanks for your help |
| 22:28.56 | odla | peterS: sorry about changing my nick i forgot i was in this channel |
| 22:29.01 | loca|host | am thinking of buying a mini VIA motherboard, i dunno if linux does handle VIA chipsets and CPUs |
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| 22:30.10 | pickcoder | loca|host: I have Debian Sarge running on a VIA dedibox |
| 22:30.31 | mhall | Alright, so I have a test network where I'll be deploying LIVE VIRUSES. Obviously I don't want any kind of NAT-based bridging to other networks, but I have Debian boxes, etc. which required HTTP downloads. So this leads me to HTTP proxies. Here's the trick: the global Internet link I have available here also requires you to use a proxy. So, in essence, I need a proxy, that's willing to direct its connections through a proxy. How can this be done in the simplest |
| 22:31.34 | krazykit | squid would do it, it might just be overkill for what you want |
| 22:31.44 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 22:31.52 | simonrvn | !kernel |
| 22:31.54 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.19, snapshot: 2.6.19-git7, 2.4: 2.4.33.4, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre6, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc6-mm2 |
| 22:32.03 | mhall | krazykit: Right. That's why I figured I'd check if there were a way that was less like nuclear bombing the anthill. ;-) |
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| 22:33.12 | Ilovemypuppy | is anyone using the latest vanilla kernel on testing? |
| 22:33.14 | pickcoder | mhall: iptables redirect? |
| 22:33.31 | Ilovemypuppy | ive never tried vanilla kernels on debian, the stocks have handled my needs so far |
| 22:33.33 | mhall | pickcoder: ah, redirect the proxy port to the real proxy? |
| 22:33.36 | krazykit | Ilovemypuppy, latest kernel+patches on unstable... |
| 22:33.37 | mhall | pickcoder: that could work |
| 22:34.02 | Displacer | people, who can say, where is the config for VTs, like FreeBSD /etc/ttys ? |
| 22:34.02 | Ilovemypuppy | oh im not messing w unstable. I dont have the testicular fortitutude |
| 22:34.06 | pickcoder | or nat, if you want it transparent |
| 22:34.07 | Zap-W | X shells totally bypass pam_limits |
| 22:34.11 | Ilovemypuppy | bad enough using testing on a server |
| 22:34.39 | krazykit | Ilovemypuppy, heh, it's not that bad... but not that good on a server ;-) |
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| 22:35.10 | rfrank | unstable pwns |
| 22:35.19 | rfrank | but not really. |
| 22:35.21 | krazykit | Ilovemypuppy, but afaict, there's no reason you couldn't use 2.6.19 on etch |
| 22:35.52 | simonrvn | none at all.. |
| 22:36.03 | jelly | Ilovemypuppy: vanilla works. |
| 22:36.14 | simonrvn | the toolchain and friends are recent enough |
| 22:36.16 | krazykit | you couldn't on sarge, as i recall, due to some udev issues |
| 22:36.35 | stew | krazykit: you can't use the udev in sarge, but there is no reason you'd have to use udev |
| 22:36.45 | eldowan | I was under the understanding that rpm2targz existed in the debian repo's. Is this not the case? |
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| 22:36.50 | simonrvn | you don't have to use udev |
| 22:36.53 | jelly | krazykit: you could, just don't use initrd but compile stuff in. |
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| 22:37.16 | krazykit | well, i guess i'm just not willing to give up udev :-P |
| 22:37.16 | stew | or use yaird to build the initrd |
| 22:37.25 | simonrvn | eldowan: probably in some rpm related package, would be my guess |
| 22:37.42 | simonrvn | stew: yaird workie now? |
| 22:37.55 | jelly | stew: yaird should be the preferred option instead of initramfs-tools |
| 22:37.58 | stew | simonrvn: i dunno, when did it not workie? |
| 22:38.02 | eldowan | simonrvn: Hmm. I searched aptitude, and /msg dpkg search rpm2targz but nothing... grr |
| 22:38.04 | simonrvn | a while back |
| 22:38.22 | simonrvn | eldowan: try PDO and try less specific |
| 22:38.23 | stew | jelly: except it's dead upstream and cannot generate initrds under 2.4 so its useless for migrating 2.4 users to 2.6 |
| 22:38.40 | simonrvn | oh |
| 22:38.41 | stew | eldowan: there is rpm2cpio in the rpm package |
| 22:38.48 | jelly | stew: I tried to use backported 2.6.16, and it wanted to install udev... I said hell no and installed yaird |
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| 22:39.17 | jelly | stew: yeah, before that I had to install sarge's 2.6.8 ;-) |
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| 22:39.31 | stew | well since i maintain a package that depends on udev, i'm pretty much using it everywhere |
| 22:39.44 | jelly | stew: I was a bit of a PITA, but I didn't let that nasty udev on the machine! :-) |
| 22:39.53 | jelly | s/I/It/ |
| 22:39.55 | eldowan | stew: I guess rpm2cpio would work as well as rpm2targz. Thanks for the info. |
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| 22:40.16 | geo-rge | Ilovemypuppy: if you trust your judgement and ability to build kernels, go for it... plus, go for it anyway, just to test them (but package them -- it's easy) and then make a decision what you're going to really ues |
| 22:40.49 | simonrvn | indeed, kp the f..ker |
| 22:40.55 | creature | So, I have a video DVD I'd like to copy. How do I go about it? |
| 22:41.20 | creature | As in, I want to duplicate it to another DVD. |
| 22:41.21 | stew | eldowan: rpm2targz() { rpm2cpio $1 | cpio -i | tar czf- ; } :) |
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| 22:41.28 | creature | I don't want to make a divx or anything like that. |
| 22:41.30 | geo-rge | watch the video... then draw each frame :) |
| 22:41.40 | stew | eldowan: actually that won't work, you need some more options to cpio |
| 22:41.41 | jelly | creature: and you want to keep the menus and stuff? |
| 22:41.45 | stew | and tar |
| 22:42.05 | creature | jelly: Ideally, yes. |
| 22:42.20 | eldowan | stew: Nice concept. :D Don't worry, I just need to extract the files out of the rpm, and the guide specifically mentioned rpm2targz. I think r2cpio should work peachy though. |
| 22:42.34 | jelly | creature: I want to do it too. :-) |
| 22:43.05 | geo-rge | oh, forgot about sound... write an original score that also goes with the movie, memorize all actors lines, perform it... it won't be a -perfect- copy... |
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| 22:43.20 | creature | jelly: Could I do it with dd, perhaps? |
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| 22:43.36 | PumpkinPie | DD ME!PLZ |
| 22:43.45 | geo-rge | deeeeeeeeee! |
| 22:43.51 | geo-rge | now what? |
| 22:44.12 | creature | Oh dear. I appear to have stumbled into a patch of in-joke. |
| 22:44.21 | simonrvn | cat PumpkinPie > /dev/null |
| 22:44.37 | jelly | creature: frankly, I have no idea how it goes with dvds... if they're also iso9660 with files on them, it should work. |
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| 22:45.00 | creature | I have no idea. |
| 22:45.12 | eldowan | creature: What is the goal of your issue? |
| 22:45.14 | pickcoder | create: check out cue and bin |
| 22:45.21 | simonrvn | aren't they like udf or something? |
| 22:45.43 | creature | eldowan: I have a DVD. A video DVD. I want to make a copy of it. |
| 22:45.43 | jelly | creature: I also want to recode the dvd to fit to a single-layer medium... |
| 22:45.44 | helo | they are very much like udf |
| 22:45.52 | helo | to such an extent that i believe most people would say they are udf |
| 22:45.53 | creature | I just want to duplicate it to another disc. |
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| 22:46.01 | pickcoder | if you want to burn it back, you need to use tools that will reconstruct the DVD folders and preserve chapters |
| 22:46.01 | creature | jelly: Oh, crap, I hadn't even considered dual-layerness. |
| 22:46.03 | eldowan | creature: A commercial DVD? or a personal made? |
| 22:46.13 | jelly | creature: when you mount it, how large is it? |
| 22:46.33 | creature | eldowan: I'm not entirely sure. |
| 22:46.35 | jelly | pickcoder: and those would be...? |
| 22:46.36 | creature | BRB. |
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| 22:47.01 | helo | what's the kernel param to disable dma on a certain drive? |
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| 22:47.21 | solid_liq | helo: use hdparm for that |
| 22:47.28 | helo | i can't boot. |
| 22:47.31 | solid_liq | helo: hdparm -d0 /dev/hd? |
| 22:47.33 | helo | dma status errors |
| 22:47.47 | solid_liq | hmm |
| 22:47.48 | helo | it boots fine with sid, just not etch |
| 22:47.53 | geo-rge | there's a booot prompt howto that's supposed to enumerate the options you can feed to the kernel |
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| 22:48.09 | geo-rge | helo: two different kernels? |
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| 22:48.39 | jelly | helo: I think ide0=nodma disables it on the (whole) first channel |
| 22:50.02 | jelly | helo: linux/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt mentions the global ide=nodma |
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| 22:50.56 | hypetech | sarge is frustrating >.< |
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| 22:52.22 | helo | jelly: ok, thanks i'll try that |
| 22:53.22 | helo | it's still saying hdc: 1000944 sectors (512 MB) w/1KiB Cache, CHS=993/16/63, DMA |
| 22:53.33 | odla | hypetech: why? |
| 22:53.54 | helo | as well as getting repeating dma timeout errors which prevent the booting from continuing |
| 22:53.58 | jelly | helo: that's really weird for a HDD. |
| 22:54.03 | helo | it is compact flash |
| 22:54.18 | helo | it works great in 2.4 kernels though |
| 22:54.25 | jelly | helo: which 2.6? |
| 22:54.44 | jelly | helo: ... are you trying to boot? |
| 22:54.53 | helo | the one from the etch netinst cd |
| 22:55.13 | creature | Back. |
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| 22:55.43 | jelly | helo: hm, I have 0 experience with CF -> IDE adapters, sorry |
| 22:56.02 | creature | jelly: It's 4.4Gb. So it's a single-layer DVD, right? |
| 22:56.24 | enouf | creature: could try some of these http://www.transcoding.org/cgi-bin/transcode?DvdRippers |
| 22:56.51 | quintin | so |
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| 22:57.30 | helo | if dma would just not be enabled, i'm sure it would work |
| 22:57.30 | quintin | interesting.. this sexy-voiced support chick on the phone is using thunderbird on X |
| 22:57.30 | quintin | I'm looking at the email she sent me with tracking # |
| 22:57.30 | jelly | creature: sounds like that. Also I think the usual media are ~4.3GB ;-) |
| 22:58.03 | creature | I will be so POed if it doesn't fit. |
| 22:58.07 | phogg | quintin: that's great. What company? |
| 22:58.22 | quintin | phogg: farheap (overnight prints) |
| 22:58.31 | quintin | hm. but the name is 'Rashaan'. I thought that was a boy name |
| 22:58.33 | cydork | bahh i just missed one job bcoz they require 24 months exp. :( |
| 22:58.41 | phogg | quintin: nice to see an example of a real company using desktop linux |
| 22:58.58 | quintin | cydork: I misd one job bcuz they reqried speeling |
| 22:59.01 | jelly | creature: I'm trying a thing called DVDShrink in wine now... installs well, but doesn't seem to see the dvd. I'll first dd it to the hdd. Also, IANADD. (just to add more dds) |
| 22:59.18 | creature | Is there any particular reason why I couldn't use dd to generate an image of the disc and then burn it out? |
| 22:59.22 | quintin | jelly: IANADD? wtf? |
| 22:59.28 | pickcoder | jelly: actually, you can probably just pull the file contents directly off the DVD |
| 22:59.29 | rfrank | jelly: I installed dvdshrink through wine and it worked perfectly |
| 22:59.34 | cydork | quintin: hehe i use ispell ;) |
| 22:59.35 | quintin | creature: yes. it's encrypted. |
| 22:59.50 | rfrank | jelly: detected dvd, shrank in around a half hour, faster then in windows :P |
| 22:59.53 | cydork | quintin: and dictcomplete.pl for irssi :P |
| 22:59.53 | jelly | quintin: ... a debian developer |
| 23:00.22 | quintin | jelly: <3 |
| 23:00.33 | creature | quintin: OK, but it's still ones and zeros, though. |
| 23:00.47 | jelly | rfrank: hmm, were you root? Maybe my .wine needs a wipe. |
| 23:00.53 | quintin | I talked to a chick on the phone.. but it's from email addy with a boy's name. hum |
| 23:00.56 | rfrank | jelly: was not in fact |
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| 23:01.03 | creature | I mean, if I can play the original disc, surely I can play the copy of the original, if the data is the same? |
| 23:01.12 | rfrank | jelly: relatively fresh install of unstable |
| 23:01.13 | quintin | phogg: They could be using FreeBSD or Solaris... ;) User-Agent just said Thunderbird for X |
| 23:01.16 | jelly | rfrank: frakk, why did it work for you?! :-) |
| 23:01.24 | rfrank | jelly: :P I have no idea |
| 23:01.28 | phogg | quintin: that would be even better |
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| 23:01.38 | quintin | phogg: oh? |
| 23:01.47 | krazykit | jelly, run winecfg. there're options for cd drives and such |
| 23:02.01 | jelly | rfrank: I am using wine from unstable... :-| oh well, if it works for you, it can be fixed somehow. |
| 23:02.11 | phogg | quintin: Linux is the "easy in." People using *BSD or Solaris are in the bag, OS-wise, and will be switchable to whatever's good. |
| 23:02.21 | jelly | krazykit: was the first thing I tried. |
| 23:02.23 | quintin | creature: I know that you can't use alcohol in windows to copy discs. it's more or less similar to using dd on a disc |
| 23:02.50 | quintin | either of you fools use skype 2.5 in wine? |
| 23:02.50 | phogg | quintin: can't use alcohol to copy discs? Sure you can. |
| 23:03.03 | krazykit | phogg, not DVD movies, as i recall |
| 23:03.07 | quintin | phogg: DVDs? I was told that's not possible. I'm talking commmercial |
| 23:03.08 | castoff | creature: you can dd a disk, you need to make sure it is unmounted and dd from the /dev |
| 23:03.14 | jelly | cp: reading `/cdrom/video_ts/vts_02_1.vob': Input/output error |
| 23:03.19 | phogg | krazykit: ah, true. Not encryoted DVDs. |
| 23:03.28 | quintin | phogg: well duh :p |
| 23:03.36 | jelly | dd also works not. |
| 23:03.49 | jelly | next idea? :-) |
| 23:04.02 | quintin | jelly: buy your movies like a good little consumer? |
| 23:04.12 | jelly | quintin: it IS mine, you git! |
| 23:04.18 | rfrank | oh snap |
| 23:04.30 | pickcoder | jelly: you can't copy the files from the mount? |
| 23:04.36 | rfrank | jelly: did you configure your wine |
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| 23:04.44 | rfrank | jelly: on command line type winecfg and put in cd rom drives |
| 23:04.55 | creature | I don't want to copy files from a mount. I have one DVD right now, and I want to end up with two DVDs. Identical. |
| 23:04.59 | jelly | rfrank: did that. It found my /cdrom mountpoint. |
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| 23:05.07 | creature | Two DVDs that I can stick in a DVD player, and they will play. |
| 23:05.28 | rfrank | jelly: ahh.. and its type is cdrom right |
| 23:05.35 | jelly | rfrank: right. |
| 23:05.45 | phogg | mail(1) has mysteriously stopped autoarchiving read messages to ~/mbox. Now it leaves them in the local spool. Any idea why or how I tell it to start again? |
| 23:06.03 | rfrank | jelly: o_O seems to be exactly what I did, except my install was completely fresh. it ran the first time I tried |
| 23:06.05 | aronofsky | hi, is there a way on debian stable aptitude to do the same thing as --purge-unused (available on testing aptitude ) ? |
| 23:06.10 | rfrank | jelly: it doesn't detect the dvd in dvdsrhink? |
| 23:06.21 | jelly | rfrank: nope, empty pulldown menu. |
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| 23:06.41 | jelly | rfrank: I'll try using a fresh .wine |
| 23:06.55 | rfrank | jelly: try running regedit and see if that detects the cdrom drive |
| 23:07.16 | aronofsky | or is it impossible ? |
| 23:07.18 | jelly | rfrank: where do I look for it? |
| 23:07.26 | rfrank | just do registry > import registry file and look for it in the little browse window |
| 23:07.54 | rfrank | should be in my computer |
| 23:08.01 | rfrank | if it isn't then the problem is your wine configuration |
| 23:08.46 | jelly | rfrank: uhh... which registry file should I import? |
| 23:08.53 | jasta_ | has anyone else noticed that font hinting is not enabled in OpenOffice.Org on a standard etch netinstall (possibly others?) |
| 23:09.11 | rfrank | jelly: don't import anything just see if it detects the cdrom |
| 23:09.14 | jasta_ | is there a fix for this? |
| 23:09.44 | rfrank | jelly: if wine is detecting and properly configuring your cdrom drive when you go into regedit you'll see the cdrom in my computer when you browse |
| 23:09.56 | jelly | rfrank: oooh... You mean in the Open file dialog? It does. |
| 23:09.59 | rfrank | aha |
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| 23:10.08 | rfrank | jelly: I'm assuming you've tried another dvd? |
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| 23:10.18 | rfrank | jelly: also does linux detect/read from your drive |
| 23:10.23 | kombi | how do I get rid of inetd? it's not in init.d anymore.. |
| 23:10.38 | quintin | kombi: aptitude purge ? |
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| 23:10.46 | jelly | rfrank: this is the single original dvd around. ;-) |
| 23:10.48 | aronofsky | anyone, because i really like that option and i was wondering if there is a way to do the same on debien stable ? |
| 23:10.58 | helo | hmm... apparently if i let it sit there long enough it gets past the errors |
| 23:11.09 | helo | the errors still pop up with a 2.4 kernel, they just only occur once |
| 23:11.25 | kombi | quintin: that sure is a way, I didn't want to get rid of it alltogether though, just prevent it from starting at boot.. |
| 23:11.35 | helo | aronofsky: i watched your movie last night... good job ;) |
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| 23:11.59 | rfrank | jelly: well try playing it with mplayer or vlc or xine, whatever you have |
| 23:12.02 | aronofsky | helo, thanks man |
| 23:12.03 | kombi | aronofsy: are you playing jack bauer? |
| 23:12.11 | rfrank | jelly: and if it doesn't work try using a burned dvd |
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| 23:12.43 | kombi | who or what starts inetd in the first place? |
| 23:12.55 | pickcoder | init.d |
| 23:12.56 | jelly | rfrank: hmm... I changed the win. version to XP for DVDShrink and now if works. |
| 23:13.07 | eldowan | creature: Your best bet to be *sure* is to rip the DVD of encryption, and re-burn the DVD with no encryption. Of course this will *not* be a bit per bit copy, but the end effect is the same. |
| 23:13.09 | kombi | pickcoder: no it doesn't.. |
| 23:13.10 | aronofsky | so , anyone can tell me if there is a way on debian stable aptitude to do the same thing as --purge-unused (available on testing aptitude ) ? |
| 23:13.11 | rfrank | jelly: it works? |
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| 23:13.18 | creature | eldowan: OK. How do I do that? |
| 23:13.19 | jelly | rfrank: at least, it finds the dvd. |
| 23:13.54 | pickcoder | kombi: if you're using Debian the init.d scripts stop/start processes based on symlinks in the rc.d folders |
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| 23:14.05 | kombi | pickcoder: not on stable it doesn't at least.. or is it disguised under some other name |
| 23:14.16 | pickcoder | kombi: maybe you have xinetd |
| 23:14.34 | jelly | rfrank: haha, "Drive region has not been set! DVD Shrink cannot open this disc, unless you set the region code of your DVD drive." |
| 23:14.40 | eldowan | creature: I've heard of great success with DVDshrink and wine |
| 23:14.41 | pickcoder | which is a different application that does the same thing, basically |
| 23:14.41 | kombi | nope.., just isn't in /etc/init.d/.. strange.. |
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| 23:15.02 | creature | eldowan: Urgh. |
| 23:15.03 | pickcoder | kombi: was it installed before? |
| 23:15.21 | kombi | pickcoder: was there after the fresh install |
| 23:15.37 | eldowan | creature: Also, you can try this, although I haven't personally done it this way... I usually only care about the main movie and not the extras... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=348492 |
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| 23:15.49 | rfrank | jelly: ahh :P |
| 23:15.52 | kombi | pickcoder: ..happily running and visible with pstree |
| 23:16.07 | pickcoder | kombi: then someone/something deleted the init script |
| 23:16.21 | eldowan | creature: Also, mencoder in addition to qdvdauthor seem to be an option. |
| 23:16.29 | aronofsky | so really, anyone can tell me if you can purge all deps when you purge a package on debian stable ?? |
| 23:16.30 | kombi | pickcoder: I usually just get rid of everything not necessary like portmap, rpc.statd and the likes |
| 23:16.55 | jelly | rfrank: well I'll really be surprised if this works through Wine. "Select driver region from the following list: ..." |
| 23:16.58 | kombi | pickcoder: I thought that too, but it comes back on reboot |
| 23:17.05 | rfrank | jelly: it worked great for me :D |
| 23:17.17 | rfrank | jelly: I was quite suprised myself, expected it to encode at around 1 fps |
| 23:17.19 | eldowan | creature: with mencoder/mplayer, you can tell it to do a direct stream copy, after the encryption is done away with. Then it is just building the vob structure and burning. |
| 23:17.24 | rfrank | jelly: but it worked great and much faster then I thought |
| 23:17.25 | pickcoder | kombi: is there a symlink in rc3.d |
| 23:17.28 | creature | Ah, it seems that maybe k3b has an option. |
| 23:17.49 | kombi | pickcoder: did update-rc.d a few times, but let me check |
| 23:18.21 | kombi | pickcoder: not there.. strange.. |
| 23:18.55 | schippes | anyone knows something about ehci-hcd (USB 2.0) problems? since 2.6.something the USB2.0 peripherals do not work anymore on my IBM T41, i can only mount memory sticks if i unload the ehci-hcd module and use at usb1.1 speed.... |
| 23:18.56 | pickcoder | kombi: which inetd |
| 23:19.20 | pickcoder | that's not a question.. btw |
| 23:19.22 | kombi | pickcoder: the usual /usr/sbin/inetd |
| 23:19.26 | pickcoder | hm |
| 23:19.31 | kombi | pickcoder: ;) I got that |
| 23:19.42 | rfrank | schippes: me running 2.6.18.3 and I can't mount my usb 2.0 drive :P I don't know what the solution is though |
| 23:19.43 | jelly | rfrank: well, it worked! I'm impressed. |
| 23:20.01 | kombi | weired indeed, what else might be starting it.. |
| 23:20.31 | pickcoder | nothing that I can think of |
| 23:20.39 | pickcoder | are there symlinks in 2, 4, or 5? |
| 23:21.04 | schippes | rfrank: thank you, .. the internet seems full of people with this problem,... guess someone has put his hands on the modules and made the disaster... used to work perfectly some time ago... |
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| 23:21.38 | kombi | pickcoder: nope, everything is clean |
| 23:21.48 | pickcoder | rc.local? |
| 23:21.51 | eldowan | rfrank: I'm having trouble searching through the backlog, what was it you expected to encode around 1fps and worked better than you expected? |
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| 23:22.32 | kombi | pickcoder: no such file on this box (did locate and find) |
| 23:22.42 | helo | any recommendations for getting an install of debian as small as possible? |
| 23:23.28 | eldowan | helo: use etch, and when asked what profile to install, select base install only. No other roles... Mabye even that can be unchecked if you can work with what is left. |
| 23:23.33 | pickcoder | kombi: is there a file in /var/run called inetd.pid? |
| 23:23.41 | pickcoder | if so, does the contents match ps ax| grep inetd |
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| 23:25.32 | kombi | pickcoder: just exactly.. |
| 23:25.50 | pickcoder | then the only thing I can think of is another init script is loading inetd |
| 23:25.58 | pickcoder | grep /etc/init.d for inetd |
| 23:26.13 | kombi | pickcoder: I suspect postfix to do that.. |
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| 23:26.43 | enouf | wanna have fun? grep -ir inet /etc/rc?.d/S??* |
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| 23:26.59 | kombi | pickcoder: no, I am a giddy goat, openbsd-inetd! holy smokes.. |
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| 23:27.21 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:27.31 | helo | isn't S??* equivalent to S* as long as all files are longer than 2 characters? |
| 23:27.52 | kombi | pickcoder: update-rc.d -f openbsd-inetd remove and we're done.. |
| 23:28.19 | enouf | I guess so .. bit that's improv for ya :-) |
| 23:28.37 | pickcoder | people are sticklers here on syntax |
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| 23:29.43 | pseubodo1 | I'm trying to find the passkey-agent for the bluetooth packages. |
| 23:29.45 | kombi | Obstfliege left, no more obst here? |
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| 23:30.06 | pseubodo1 | I keep getting ' call_passkey_agent(): no agent registered' when trying to connect via treo |
| 23:30.17 | jelly | pseubodo1: I think it's bluez-gnome if you're using gnome |
| 23:30.18 | eldowan | helo: I would guess, as generally the S?? and K?? files have a 2 digit priority indicator. so fir <file> that is longer than 0 characters, I would expect S??* and S* to be equivelant. |
| 23:30.28 | pickcoder | helo: I have a woody install that is around 160MB |
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| 23:30.42 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 23:32.01 | jelly | pseubodo1: err... scratch that, try bluez-pin |
| 23:32.21 | pseubodo1 | jelly: "Package bluez-pin has no installation candidate" |
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| 23:32.43 | jelly | pseubodo1: meh, only in unstable(?) |
| 23:33.13 | pseubodo1 | jelly: well, I should be able to find such a package then. /me goes to look |
| 23:33.17 | stew | !find bluez-pin stable |
| 23:33.19 | dpkg | bluez-pin: (Bluetooth PIN helper with D-BUS support), section net, is optional. Version: 0.25-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
| 23:33.45 | cydork | pseubodo1: you using etch? |
| 23:34.04 | Ilovemypuppy | nice apache2 default page in testing :/ |
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| 23:34.28 | pseubodo1 | cydork: testing, yeah |
| 23:34.36 | cydork | pseubodo1: it's not in testing. |
| 23:34.39 | MatBoy | !beer cydork |
| 23:34.50 | jelly | stew: I don't think that would work with a) newer dbus, b) pacakges from newer bluez sources |
| 23:35.14 | cydork | MatBoy: hey i cant drink more than i already have ;) |
| 23:35.34 | MatBoy | cydork, damn, you are always drunk. Can you handle that with programming ? |
| 23:35.46 | Ilovemypuppy | ok so heres what im wondering, if I just change my /etc/apt/sources to testing, can I install testing's ndiswrapper and its dependancies on stable, and then change my /etc/apt/sources back to sarge for the rest of the system? |
| 23:35.47 | pseubodo1 | cydork: hm, lots o problems |
| 23:35.59 | enouf | jelly: since you've crossed the darkside and have used dvdshrink (excellent app btw) in wine .. might as well go all out and get your hands on dvdcrypt (IIRC) I have both somewhere on a very seldom used partition/drive.. i prefer to find a linux way nowadays , but I've no hard fast answers for anyone (yet) |
| 23:36.11 | helo | is the graphical installer going to be part of etch? |
| 23:36.21 | stew | helo: yes |
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| 23:36.32 | helo | hmm... i haven't even seen the graphical installer lol |
| 23:36.34 | Ilovemypuppy | I think that testings ndiswrapper-source package actually requires a higher gcc than sarge has, so things are going to be a bit tricky |
| 23:36.35 | pickcoder | gui installer? |
| 23:36.38 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: if you add testing to stable that is like hitting your machine with hammer .. |
| 23:36.41 | helo | is it taken off of redhat's? |
| 23:36.42 | pickcoder | gah |
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| 23:37.07 | grieih | hi |
| 23:37.09 | jelly | enouf: it's running right now, reads the dvd about as fast as it can go. |
| 23:37.20 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: if you still have need for some packages check /msg dpkg bpo or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:37.22 | Ilovemypuppy | cydork, I just want to add it for certain packages, for kernel and ndiswrapper |
| 23:37.23 | stew | helo: not at all, its just the debian installer with nicer fonts |
| 23:37.36 | Ilovemypuppy | cydork, sid is unstable, right? |
| 23:37.43 | helo | are there screenshots somewhere? |
| 23:37.53 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: for kernel check bpo and dont know if bpo has ndiswrapper.. |
| 23:37.56 | Ilovemypuppy | can I use that same technique for a simple etch backport? |
| 23:37.58 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: yep |
| 23:38.07 | Ilovemypuppy | oh ok thats fine then |
| 23:38.12 | enouf | jelly: for ex: I've heard of a oss app called dvdstylus? and prodvd? .. er see videohelp.com(?) |
| 23:38.22 | enouf | jelly: way cool .. |
| 23:38.42 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: but check bpo that is what you need for kernel.. |
| 23:38.45 | Ilovemypuppy | i just need to know if these packages are safe to backport - ie they wont cause major problems with the system services |
| 23:38.50 | Ilovemypuppy | bpo? |
| 23:38.56 | Ilovemypuppy | backports.org? |
| 23:38.58 | grieih | is there I way to know which module owns eth0? |
| 23:39.01 | enouf | I need a hot shower .. bbl |
| 23:39.02 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: yep |
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| 23:39.10 | itchi | helo: Look on osdir |
| 23:39.33 | itchi | helo: http://shots.osdir.com/ |
| 23:39.37 | Ilovemypuppy | ok cool and backports is only certain packages? |
| 23:39.39 | cydork | MatBoy: I cant write programs when i am not drunk :P |
| 23:40.02 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: it has loads of them but not all ... |
| 23:40.08 | MatBoy | cydork, ah, I get it... you love the fancy code :D |
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| 23:40.15 | Ilovemypuppy | i mean if they HAVE ndiswrapper and gcc for 2.6.8 id be cool w that |
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| 23:40.38 | cydork | MatBoy: you should read some comments in my codes :P |
| 23:41.08 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: you have to check if they have ndiswrapper. i am not too sure about that.. |
| 23:41.08 | Ilovemypuppy | im not seeing ndiswrapper on backports |
| 23:41.11 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: it would have none of those |
| 23:41.16 | MatBoy | cydork, hehe, no needed... I know already what's in there.... //I'm going to get some beer, yes alredy wrote 2 lines of code |
| 23:41.23 | MatBoy | *already |
| 23:42.08 | cydork | MatBoy: hehe exactly :) |
| 23:42.16 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, ok, so here's my Q then, if I just change my apt/sources to etch and install those packages and those dependances (kernel,ndiswrapper,gcc) what can I expect to happen? |
| 23:42.18 | jair | anyone here has been using a (debian) nfs server to export a file system to a (AIX) clinet ? |
| 23:42.28 | MatBoy | cydork, so you wrte programms of 5 MB what will be 10 MB in beer-code :P |
| 23:42.46 | bolzono | has anybody tried intalling debian on a wrt54gl? |
| 23:42.58 | jair | I can mount the exports on the debian machine on RHEL without any issues, but when i try to mount it from the AIX unix system does not get it |
| 23:43.08 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: you will end up with a broken mix of tesitng/stable; you can't mix those. the big problem is that the newer gcc needs a newer libc6-dev which needs a newer libc6, which means you pretty much would want to go fully to testing |
| 23:43.09 | Ilovemypuppy | stew, assuming I change the apt/sources back to stable when im finished and run apt-get update after each chance |
| 23:43.14 | DimmuR | what program can print pdf but first odd pages and then even pages? |
| 23:43.16 | cydork | Ilovemypuppy: dont ever mix stable with testing. |
| 23:43.22 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: then you'll just end up with lots of broken dependencies |
| 23:43.23 | MatBoy | bolzono, nope, I want to do it on a GS-version soon |
| 23:43.27 | Ilovemypuppy | crud. |
| 23:44.06 | eldowan | bolzono: a quick search on google showed a debian wrt54gl+freeradius+squid |
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| 23:46.20 | Ilovemypuppy | and you guys say testing is not suitable for a mission critical environment because theres some issue with security updates? |
| 23:46.43 | itchi | How can we get an 'Excess Flood' like 'gt' got here above? |
| 23:46.55 | pickcoder | there aren't really any security updates right now |
| 23:47.01 | pickcoder | RC bugs are a priority |
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| 23:47.19 | stew | pickcoder: that's not true at all |
| 23:47.22 | itchi | qt: What are you doing? |
| 23:47.25 | pickcoder | itchi: paste an entire book in your chat window |
| 23:47.26 | stew | Ilovemypuppy: that is correct |
| 23:47.34 | pickcoder | stew: well.. compared to Sarge |
| 23:47.36 | itchi | pickcoder: Yeah, sure ;-) |
| 23:47.42 | stew | pickcoder: compared to sarge what? |
| 23:47.49 | pickcoder | security updates |
| 23:47.54 | itchi | hehe |
| 23:48.03 | pickcoder | when it went stable |
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| 23:48.14 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 23:48.33 | stew | pickcoder: there is much more effort being put into testing security updates now than there was when sarge was at this point in the release cycle |
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| 23:49.13 | pickcoder | that's not what I meant |
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| 23:49.26 | stew | < pickcoder> there aren't really any security updates right now <- this is untrue |
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| 23:49.46 | pickcoder | when Etch is finally stable, more emphasis will be placed on security patches |
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| 23:50.54 | itchi | pickcoder: I asked it, because he have not flood here, looks like changserv have an antiflooding or so?? |
| 23:51.20 | pickcoder | itchi: someone can flood you in priv msg as well |
| 23:51.52 | itchi | pickcoder: hhhm, that's also considered flooding, not only in an #channel |
| 23:53.38 | pickcoder | "Excess Flood" is a nice way of the server saying "you're using too many server resources" before it kicks you off |
| 23:54.06 | pickcoder | listing a huge channel list, for example, can flood you off the server |
| 23:54.07 | itchi | pickcoder: Yeah, he got it serveral times, big man it's looks ;-) |
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| 23:56.15 | itchi | pickcoder: But some time, we can not avoid to flooding, whe using /msg dpkg chanserv list *foo* Is there an better way to list without flooding? |
| 23:56.26 | helo | i don't understand why channel listing is even an option |
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| 23:56.55 | itchi | pickcoder: Looks a bit strange, thinking to xchat, where you can list all the channels |
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| 23:58.46 | shwag | what is tasksel ? |
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| 23:58.51 | stew | !tasksel |
| 23:58.51 | dpkg | from memory, tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
| 23:59.24 | Pryon | helo: perhaps because IRC used to be much smaller and /list is a sort of appendix |