irclog2html for #debian on 20061206

`00:00.20`	`helo`	`is there a way to get a list of all installed packages, sorted in order of size?`
`00:00.40`	`jelly`	`!sort by size`
`00:00.40`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available`
`00:00.42`	`helo`	`i know how to get a list of installed packages... how can one query the size of them?`
`00:00.49`	`helo`	`nice....... thanks :D`
`00:01.11`	`stew`	`something tells me that grep-dctrl could make that nicer`
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`00:03.14`	`rfrank`	`aaah`
`00:03.14`	`rfrank`	`netsplit`
`00:03.14`	`jelly`	`stew: It would, and it's even in the manual.`
`00:03.15`	`cydork`	`jelly: i think aptitude can do that too .. or dpkg-query also i guess`
`00:03.16`	`jasta`	`hmm, found the problem...`
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`00:03.16`	`stew`	`jelly: indeed`
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`00:04.50`	`jasta`	`http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-openoffice@lists.debian.org/msg12626.html`
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`00:05.43`	`jasta`	`anyone know if the patchwork in that thread is applied to ooo in sid right now?`
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`00:05.55`	`jasta`	`it seems to be about a month old so...`
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`00:05.59`	`robin__sz`	`might not be a netsplit ...`
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`00:05.59`	`h3xis`	`this is true`
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`00:06.00`	`robin__sz`	`maybe someone nuked New York ...`
`00:06.01`	`h3xis`	`omfg terr'ists`
`00:06.01`	`stew`	`robin__sz: i can tell you they didn't`
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`00:06.04`	`robin__sz`	`stew, you sure?`
`00:06.04`	`stew`	`robin__sz: yes. i would have felt it`
`00:06.04`	`robin__sz`	`fair point ...`
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`00:06.28`	`jelly`	`stew: hmm, should I replace the perl ugliness in <sort by size> with the grep-status thing?`
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`00:07.11`	`helo`	`why does xutils depend on xutils-dev?`
`00:07.12`	`stew`	`jelly: maybe just a hint to the manpage? everyone has perl installed, but not many have grep-dctrl installed`
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`00:07.26`	`jelly`	`stew: k`
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`00:07.36`	`helo`	`that causes xorg to depend on cpp... which sucks`
`00:08.34`	`stew`	`helo: /msg dpkg equivs`
`00:09.21`	`helo`	`lol nm... equivs is much bigger than the packages i was trying to remove`
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`00:09.26`	`stew`	`helo: or rebuild your own version of xlibs-dev that doens't depend on cpp (which is probably far safer)`
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`00:09.35`	`helo`	`well... it requires me to download more`
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`00:10.11`	`stew`	`helo: equivs doesn't end up on the target system, just the dummy package you create using equivs`
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`00:10.45`	`helo`	`it requires me to install 10MB of dependencies to use it, so it's a no-go`
`00:10.55`	`helo`	`ohhh i got it`
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`00:11.40`	`rfrank`	`how od I edit the system menu of applications`
`00:11.58`	`helo`	`is there a command to run that updates the data that the sort by order script uses? i removed some packages and they are still there`
`00:12.28`	`DavidProck1982`	`yo just to let you know the drivers off the site did better than the nvidia one-liner`
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`00:13.36`	`yassine`	`i try to mount a smb shared directory but it fails any idea idea whats wrong : mount //192.168.0.5/home/yassine /home/yassine/netdrive -t smbfs -o username=myusername,password=thePassword,iocharset=utf8,uid=yassine,gid=yassine`
`00:13.52`	`rfrank`	`yassine, error?`
`00:14.01`	`yassine`	`one sec let pastbine`
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`00:15.24`	`yassine`	`http://rafb.net/paste/results/LQ4qWa25.html`
`00:15.50`	`magyar`	`hello, sid had a fontserver upgrade and now all the fonts in kde look like shit, is there a way to sif it?`
`00:15.55`	`DavidProck1982`	`does any one know how to merg 2 partitions back into 1 , safely with out any data loss`
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`00:16.02`	`seanzer`	`hexis is gay`
`00:16.23`	`rfrank`	`yassine, dpkg -l \| grep "smbfs"`
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`00:16.47`	`yassine`	`rfrank, nothing`
`00:16.51`	`itchi`	`seanzer: Tryout /quit`
`00:16.51`	`stew`	`!tell seanzer about gay`
`00:16.57`	`rfrank`	`yassine, sudo apt-get install smbfs`
`00:16.57`	`seanzer`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh`
`00:17.18`	`helo`	`lolol`
`00:17.18`	`seanzer`	`dpkg: are you gay?`
`00:17.27`	`rfrank`	`dpkg: gender`
`00:17.27`	`dpkg`	`I'm lesbian`
`00:17.30`	`rfrank`	`hahah`
`00:17.33`	`seanzer`	`:(`
`00:17.37`	`seanzer`	`THAT'S HAWT`
`00:17.41`	`stew`	`seanzer: do you have a debian related question or are you just here to troll?`
`00:17.41`	`h3xis`	`lmao`
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`00:18.06`	`Frederick`	`folks anyone here ever used an acertravelmate with a german kb? I got some keys locked`
`00:18.08`	`rfrank`	`o_O`
`00:19.00`	`Frederick`	`acer travelmate`
`00:19.18`	`DavidProck1982`	`you know what 'Debian' needs to work on`
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`00:19.56`	`phed__`	`without root, how can I link libraries?`
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`00:21.30`	`yassine`	`rfrank, that was it thanks, i still have one small issue ( dunno how to call the shared folder ) i only created the user on the remote machine and created a smbpasswd i dont know how to call his home dir`
`00:22.00`	`k31th`	`Guys if i want to copy a running remote debian system to a local machine... whats the best way ? ssh and scp? if so... What dirs should i exclude ? /proc ??`
`00:22.33`	`magyar`	`anyone kde and sid?`
`00:22.41`	`itchi`	`k31th: Tryout if you can do it with ssh :-) No, serious, use scp`
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`00:23.25`	`sandman`	`If I'm using an AMD chip, I don't need AMT enabled in the kernel, right?`
`00:23.26`	`stew`	`k31th: rsync. also exclude /dev and /sys`
`00:23.29`	`Frederick`	`back`
`00:23.54`	`Frederick`	`anyone here ever used an acer travel mate witrh german kb?`
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`00:24.09`	`stew`	`!de`
`00:24.09`	`dpkg`	`somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode)`
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`00:24.18`	`stew`	`Frederick: much better chance in the german channel`
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`00:24.37`	`numist`	`whats the reccomended mailer daemon du jour?`
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`00:24.43`	`numist`	`does everyone still love postfix?`
`00:24.51`	`stew`	`numist: postfix and exim`
`00:24.54`	`numist`	`k`
`00:24.57`	`Frederick`	`stew: no one there`
`00:25.10`	`rfrank`	`yassine, I have no idea, all my smb shares are individual folders on other HDs, I'd try doing that`
`00:25.11`	`k31th`	`stew: okies`
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`00:25.25`	`stew`	`Frederick: on irc.debian.net`
`00:25.31`	`stew`	`err irc.debian.org`
`00:25.41`	`stew`	`hmm`
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`00:25.59`	`stew`	`actually neither, wth`
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`00:27.09`	`rfrank`	`yassine, it looks like you just do (iporhostname)\(nameofuser)`
`00:27.14`	`quintin`	`numist: exim4 on debian`
`00:27.34`	`zOap`	`If I were to send a file to a program, but also wants to check if there is an open instance of that program and use that if available, what's the command for that in bash?`
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`00:27.56`	`quintin`	`yassine: rfrank is correct. \\netbiosname\username. homedirs work automagically.`
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`00:28.32`	`quintin`	`zOap: wtf ? ps aux \| grep ? /join #bash maybe`
`00:29.15`	`quintin`	`!nickometer zOap`
`00:29.16`	`dpkg`	`'zOap' is 8.000% lame, quintin`
`00:29.29`	`zOap`	`quintin, yeah, you might be right. I joined #bash but noone answered`
`00:29.48`	`zOap`	`well, ok. if that's how you like it,,,`
`00:29.49`	`Quintin`	`zOap: ... of course I'm right!`
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`00:30.56`	`stew`	`zOap: pidof programname \|\| programname`
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`00:31.11`	`Quintin`	`!nickometer k31th`
`00:31.13`	`dpkg`	`'k31th' is 37.000% lame, quintin`
`00:31.19`	`sandman`	`Does an Athlon have a local APIC?`
`00:31.40`	`Pryon`	`mine does`
`00:31.47`	`stew`	`zOap: if you need more robust process matching than pidof, use pgrep`
`00:32.02`	`zOap`	`stew I did a test: pidof xterm \|\| scite, but nothing..`
`00:32.27`	`Quintin`	`zOap: do you know what \|\| is in bash?`
`00:32.45`	`zOap`	`Quintin, I thought I did, but now I'm aconfused..`
`00:32.49`	`yassine`	`Quintin, unfortunatly its not working`
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`00:33.04`	`stew`	`zOap: "pidof xterm" doesn't return anything?`
`00:33.10`	`magyar`	`anyone with sid? yesterday sid had a font server upgrade and all the fonts are looking kind of shadowy and washed`
`00:33.11`	`Quintin`	`k31th: ftp`
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`00:33.18`	`zOap`	`offcourse it does: the pid number`
`00:33.31`	`magyar`	`join #xorg`
`00:33.43`	`zOap`	`stew: ^`
`00:34.00`	`stew`	`zOap: did scite start?`
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`00:34.07`	`zOap`	`stew no`
`00:34.10`	`Pryon`	`zOap: looks like bash's \|\| operator short-circuits if the left operand evaluates to true`
`00:34.15`	`stew`	`zOap: isn't that exactly what you asked for?`
`00:34.43`	`itchi`	`sandman: mine is nolapic`
`00:34.47`	`zOap`	`stew, no, I wanted it to look if scite were open, and put the value in there instead of opening up a new one..`
`00:34.48`	`stew`	`zOap: check for if xterm is running and if it isn't run scite? or did you want it to run scite only if xterm was running?`
`00:35.11`	`stew`	`zOap: put the value of what in where?`
`00:35.29`	`phed__`	`how can I make a program that uses dynamic libraries work, when I do not have root access?`
`00:35.30`	`Quintin`	`Pryon: ??? \|\| is "logical or" , that is, do the first command, then if and only if the first command returns non-zero, do the second command. that's how it's supposed to work.`
`00:35.36`	`zOap`	`stew: like this: /home/admin/yadayaa \|\| scite`
`00:35.50`	`Quintin`	`phed__: get it with libs compiled in.`
`00:36.06`	`Pryon`	`Quintin: Yes, I understand that.`
`00:36.19`	`Quintin`	`Pryon: how is it short cirtuiting then?`
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`00:36.39`	`phed__`	`oh the irony of lacking svn :(`
`00:36.41`	`stew`	`Quintin: becuase the right half isn't executed if the left half evaluates to true`
`00:36.42`	`zOap`	`stew, or more specifically, I want to send values of numbers and text to an app, but I want it to check for if it's allready running. If it is then put it there...`
`00:36.44`	`Pryon`	`Quintin: Because it did not evaluate the right-hand argument`
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`00:37.05`	`Quintin`	`Pryon: Isn't that how it is supposed to function?`
`00:37.12`	`Pryon`	`Quintin: Yes.`
`00:37.28`	`stew`	`Quintin: yes. its supposed to be short-curcuited like that`
`00:37.29`	`Quintin`	`Pryon: ...then how is it not functioning correctly? you are confusing me.`
`00:37.43`	`Pryon`	`Quintin: Where did I say it's not functioning correctly?`
`00:37.46`	`Quintin`	`well duh!`
`00:37.52`	`stew`	`Quintin: if it weren't a short curcuited or, it would evaulate both sides always`
`00:37.58`	`Quintin`	`that's what I assume you mean by 'short-circutuirdingy'`
`00:38.24`	`Pryon`	`No, I just meant that the entire expression returned without both operands being evaluated.`
`00:38.43`	`Pryon`	`There is nothing wrong with evaluating both operands (logically), it's just not how bash works.`
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`00:40.06`	`Pryon`	`"short-circuit" is a common idiom for this behavior (in my experience)`
`00:40.19`	`stew`	`zOap: VALUE=/home/yadayda ; if pidof scite ; then "do something since its already running" ; else "do something since its not already running" ; fi`
`00:40.47`	`zOap`	`stew, thanks:) nice job:)`
`00:41.13`	`geo-rge`	`yeah, there's short-circuit things in many languages... in lisp, the ability to choose whether to evaluate a subexpression or not is implemented by what lisp calls a special form`
`00:41.37`	`geo-rge`	`perl, c, others all have that ability as well`
`00:42.12`	`geo-rge`	`ok... which xorg server for sarge is in backports`
`00:42.39`	`marccd`	`what does this mean? reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 200-127-179-223.cab.prima.net.ar failed - POSSIBLE BREAKIN ATTEMPT!`
`00:42.50`	`stew`	`geo-rge: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/x`
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`00:43.44`	`geo-rge`	`stew: I'm there, what's it called tho? xserver-xorg? I don't see that in that precise loc`
`00:44.11`	`stew`	`geo-rge: what browser do you use?`
`00:44.27`	`geo-rge`	`mozilla`
`00:44.35`	`geo-rge`	`I'm looking at the list right now`
`00:44.35`	`stew`	`geo-rge: hit '/' and type "xorg" to search`
`00:44.52`	`geo-rge`	`there's xorg-x11`
`00:45.01`	`stew`	`geo-rge: that's the name of the source package`
`00:45.22`	`geo-rge`	`ok, so the debs should be in there?`
`00:45.33`	`stew`	`marccd: 200.178.179.223 is reverse mapped to 200-127-179-223.cab.prima.net.ar, but there is no forward mapping from 200-127-179-223.cab.prima.net.ar`
`00:45.44`	`geo-rge`	`ahh, yes, I see it now`
`00:45.46`	`marccd`	`stew, nothing bad?`
`00:46.08`	`geo-rge`	`6.9.0 ok to use?`
`00:46.17`	`marccd`	`also, if I have remote users logged in (I can see in who), how can I disconnect them without stopping ssh?`
`00:46.25`	`stew`	`marccd: it means that cab.prima.net.ar has DNS zones that are incomplete, but it does not at all appear that anyone is doing anything malicious`
`00:46.38`	`stew`	`marccd: with slay`
`00:46.39`	`geo-rge`	`wait, I don't understand this....`
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`00:47.11`	`stew`	`marccd: or just kill the sshd processes owned by the user`
`00:47.13`	`geo-rge`	`stopping ssh will NOT disconnect users (just so ya know)`
`00:47.21`	`marccd`	`stew, how can I watch all the processes a user is executing?, I was thingking about watch ps`
`00:47.35`	`geo-rge`	`yop`
`00:47.40`	`geo-rge`	`top`
`00:47.40`	`nevyn`	`watch ps aux\|grep username`
`00:47.40`	`stew`	`marccd: install snoppy and tail -f /var/log/auth.log`
`00:47.55`	`marccd`	`stew, thanks`
`00:48.08`	`geo-rge`	`sloppy snoppy`
`00:48.16`	`stew`	`marccd: "dpkg-reconfigure snoppy" will let you turn logging on and off`
`00:48.41`	`marccd`	`stew, thanks`
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`00:48.47`	`Abe`	`morning. I'm just wondering if I change the SATA card from Silicon Image 3112(sata_sil) to 3114(sata_sil24). will my system be able to boot without any modification?`
`00:49.10`	`geo-rge`	`ok, why is xserver-xorg and xserver-xfree86 both in here?`
`00:49.11`	`geo-rge`	`and`
`00:49.21`	`geo-rge`	`why are they both the same version?`
`00:49.24`	`stew`	`geo-rge: xserver-xfree86 is a transitional package`
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`00:50.00`	`geo-rge`	`ok, brb`
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`00:50.47`	`Abe`	`from what I have read, those modules should be included in the initrd already, or am I right?`
`00:51.20`	`marccd`	`stew, thanks again, I think there was an article on debian-administration about snoopy.`
`00:51.22`	`stew`	`Abe: if you dont' need them to boot currently there is no reason to believe they would be in your initrd. you'd probably have to rebuild your initrd`
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`00:52.03`	`Abe`	`Stew: thanks. the problem is my 3112 is having problem, so I'm planning to get a 3114 to replace it`
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`00:53.07`	`Abe`	`but still I could boot to my 3112 temporary. so how can I add it deliberately to initrd before I switch card?`
`00:53.46`	`stew`	`Abe: what version of debian?`
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`00:53.51`	`Abe`	`sarge sorry`
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`00:54.11`	`Abe`	`I have 2.6.8 here, and also 2.6.18 from backports`
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`00:55.28`	`stew`	`Abe: for 2.6.8, add it to /etc/mkinitrd/modules ; then dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-$version ; for 2.6.18, edit /etc/intramfs-tools/modules ; then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version`
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`00:56.03`	`lowlevel`	`... guys.. I just reinstalled a box... and for the life of me.. I can't remeber or figure out why sshd won't accept connections from the internet, but accepts from local lan...`
`00:56.13`	`lowlevel`	`any quick ideas?`
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`00:56.40`	`pppoe_dude`	`hi. whats the difference between debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent and debian-31r4-i386-binary-2.iso.torrent? (dvds)`
`00:56.57`	`Abe`	`stew, thanks stew. or can I just call mkinitrd to recreate it btw?`
`00:56.58`	`lowlevel`	`pppoe: ones dist 1 and ones disk 2`
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`00:56.59`	`pppoe_dude`	`or are they just separate things?`
`00:57.02`	`lowlevel`	`pppoe; you need both`
`00:57.08`	`pppoe_dude`	`lowlevel, ok gotcha`
`00:57.23`	`lowlevel`	`unbeleivable eh? :) hehe`
`00:57.35`	`lowlevel`	`no way.. surely itns not bigger than a dvd`
`00:57.37`	`lowlevel`	`heh ;)`
`00:57.44`	`Quintin`	`I hate misinformation.`
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`00:57.50`	`miha`	`I'd recommend DVD`
`00:58.26`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: NAT`
`00:58.48`	`lowlevel`	`quin: thats setup right, the box has the same ip, the same forward is there...`
`00:59.03`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: ssh -vvv mysite.com`
`00:59.05`	`lowlevel`	`theres something odd on the box.. unless the router magically crapped out while I was reinstalling`
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`00:59.39`	`lowlevel`	`maybe I shoudl go reboot the router`
`00:59.56`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: maybe you should ssh -vvv .... shakes fist`
`01:00.09`	`lowlevel`	`quin: thats not telling me much`
`01:00.24`	`geo-rge`	`lowlevel: evidently the router is working... after all, you are here...`
`01:00.46`	`lowlevel`	`geo: yeah, its not cisco or anything though.. so I dont trust it ;)`
`01:00.47`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: ?! it means you type ssh -vvv <wan_address> from inside or outside and see what it says`
`01:00.59`	`lowlevel`	`quin: from outside, I'm trying to get in.`
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`01:01.28`	`lowlevel`	`quin: and it resolves... tries to connect and just dies..... I'm not really sure if its getting to teh box or dying at the router though`
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`01:01.50`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: 'dies'. ?`
`01:01.57`	`Quintin`	`!htfswk lowlevel`
`01:01.57`	`dpkg`	`lowlevel: How The Fuck Should We Know?`
`01:02.08`	`Quintin`	`does it timeout?`
`01:02.13`	`lowlevel`	`yeah, hangs.. then eventually times out`
`01:02.17`	`geo-rge`	`magic!`
`01:02.18`	`lowlevel`	`its at the line 'connecting to...'`
`01:02.30`	`Quintin`	`but but I thought we were in #debian? :-S`
`01:02.30`	`lowlevel`	`connection timed out.`
`01:03.06`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: what kind of router do you have? have you tried checking the firewall rule and or reloading rules and or rebooting?`
`01:03.26`	`geo-rge`	`he's already considering a reboot of the router`
`01:03.31`	`lowlevel`	`quin: well, is SMC garbage. It was setup right, there is actual firewall, its just forwarding.`
`01:03.45`	`lowlevel`	`quin: it is setup correctly, as I was using it, and have not even touched it`
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`01:04.36`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: does ifconfig give expected output?`
`01:04.38`	`lowlevel`	`quin: I'm thinking there is some default configuration on debian telling it to only accept connections from local lan....`
`01:04.41`	`lowlevel`	`quin: yes.`
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`01:05.42`	`lowlevel`	`I'll change it to another box, just to rule out the router.`
`01:05.42`	`lowlevel`	`brb`
`01:06.32`	`lowlevel`	`yeah, its not the routher`
`01:06.33`	`Quintin`	`lowlevel: there isn't. apt-get install openssh? :\ dunno`
`01:06.43`	`geo-rge`	`how do you get apt-get to get from backports over the main mirror? (yes, it's in sources.list and I just updated... on top of that, I just looked at the apt-get man page, no mention of it)`
`01:06.59`	`lowlevel`	`quin: .... now.. I didn't apt-get install openssh......`
`01:07.07`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`look at all them layers of encryption! I got ndiswrapper working with wpa and sshing to it`
`01:07.09`	`lowlevel`	`quin: but sshd is running, and I connect to it from the lan no problem`
`01:07.15`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`thank you all very much for your help`
`01:07.30`	`geo-rge`	`Ilovemypuppy: it's all working?`
`01:07.34`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`geo-rge, yes`
`01:07.40`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`in testing`
`01:07.56`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`i think im going to have to keep w testing actually, at least until etch is stable`
`01:08.04`	`geo-rge`	`I'd say you took a real ride on that one... hope it was worth it :)`
`01:08.16`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`took a real ride?`
`01:08.37`	`lowlevel`	`sssh_config between the two boxes is identical`
`01:08.39`	`geo-rge`	`if you want to stay with etch, I'd suggest you edit your sources.list to say etch rather than testing`
`01:08.45`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`its just that the "stable" stuff is a little outdated.`
`01:08.47`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`yeah they do`
`01:08.51`	`lowlevel`	`boggle`
`01:09.00`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`i just say testing, stable, etc because i cant remember all the names`
`01:09.06`	`geo-rge`	`(you could be in for real surprises once there's a new testing...)`
`01:09.24`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`and it really tends to po the people in here if I mix up the names with ubuntu`
`01:09.39`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`the sources says etch`
`01:10.02`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`when etch goes stable, i'll be extremely stoked, if it keeps its current packageset`
`01:10.05`	`geo-rge`	`cool... so: once etch goes stable, you won't have to do anything special`
`01:10.11`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`or higher`
`01:10.44`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`yeah - and i havent had any problems with etch, just things like the default apache page is a little weird`
`01:11.21`	`geo-rge`	`well, that's not really a problem is it?`
`01:11.21`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`no`
`01:11.23`	`geo-rge`	`(I've been liking aolserver for web stuff)`
`01:11.26`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`just not as pretty, but its not stable`
`01:11.37`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`stable has all the pretty stuff`
`01:11.46`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`and testing does appear to RUN stably`
`01:12.14`	`geo-rge`	`yeah, packages "leak" from unstable to testing automatically if there are no bugs reported`
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`01:12.49`	`gravity`	`Well... not "no bugs"`
`01:12.59`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`well either way, its really good stuff. I personally think they stage3 install should be like the debian base install`
`01:13.11`	`stew`	`Abe: yes`
`01:13.12`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`but im pretty much hooked on debian now`
`01:13.16`	`geo-rge`	`right, not "no bugs" but "no reported bugs"`
`01:13.25`	`lowlevel`	`oh god.`
`01:13.31`	`Abe`	`thx stew :)`
`01:13.40`	`gravity`	`No, it can have reported bugs. They just can't be RC bugs`
`01:13.47`	`lowlevel`	`fixed. hides`
`01:14.03`	`gravity`	`Even then, packages can be pushed in to testing manually by the release managers if need be`
`01:14.05`	`stew`	`gravity: how did the SGI licensing thing get worked out?`
`01:14.11`	`gravity`	`stew: It didn't yet`
`01:14.20`	`gravity`	`stew: Honestly, I haven't had time to work on it at all like I need to`
`01:14.25`	`stew`	`gravity: why did the bugs go away then? or did they get etch-ignored?`
`01:14.30`	`geo-rge`	`I'm hooked on whales cause whales are hooked on me!`
`01:14.35`	`gravity`	`stew: etch-ignore as per my request`
`01:14.43`	`stew`	`gravity: cheater! :)`
`01:14.45`	`gravity`	`stew: I'm not sure what to do about it. I need to talk to RH about it. They're making moves of their own.`
`01:14.48`	`gravity`	`heh`
`01:15.06`	`geo-rge`	`rh is making movies??`
`01:15.13`	`gravity`	`I'd be more likely to kick out nv at this point`
`01:15.18`	`stew`	`gravity: someone at hp still too?`
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`01:15.27`	`gravity`	`stew: I hadn't heard about that`
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`01:15.48`	`stew`	`gravity: i thought vorlon had said something to that effect at some point`
`01:15.51`	`gravity`	`Oh`
`01:15.55`	`gravity`	`I think he guessed wrong`
`01:16.00`	`stew`	`ah ok`
`01:16.23`	`Jago`	`help, i installed knoppix and the sources are empty can any one tell me where to get a good one`
`01:16.31`	`stew`	`Jago: ask #knoppix`
`01:16.43`	`gravity`	`There's at least two people in different organizations who were talking about doing something though. I need to throw myself in there at some point and maybe get an official delegation or whatever to act as debian's liason`
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`01:17.25`	`GoCooL`	`what's the command line to take a screen shot in debian?`
`01:17.36`	`gravity`	`!screenshot`
`01:17.36`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd`
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`01:17.45`	`geo-rge`	`fire_gun`
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`01:20.23`	`geo-rge`	`how do you get apt-get to get from backports over the main mirror? (yes, it's in sources.list and I just updated... on top of that, I just looked at the apt-get man page, no mention of it)`
`01:20.28`	`geo-rge`	`-t something?`
`01:21.06`	`stew`	`geo-rge: click on "instructions"`
`01:21.57`	`geo-rge`	`click? I'm presently cli-only, I'm trying to get xorg from backports`
`01:22.16`	`stew`	`geo-rge: go to the "instructions" link on their website`
`01:22.21`	`stew`	`geo-rge: /msg dpkg bpo`
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`01:22.32`	`geo-rge`	`wait, maybe I didn't stop x yet`
`01:22.34`	`Quintin`	`■Note Hurd was first planned back in the 1980s and, at the time of writing, still has yet to see the light of`
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`01:22.37`	`Quintin`	`day (although testing versions are available). Hurd is a hugely ambitious project and will set a gold standard`
`01:22.40`	`Quintin`	`when it is released.`
`01:22.41`	`Quintin`	`gold standard?`
`01:22.43`	`Quintin`	`in crap`
`01:22.55`	`geo-rge`	`!enter`
`01:22.55`	`dpkg`	`The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.)`
`01:23.01`	`Quintin`	`author of this book I'm reading is maybe an idiot.`
`01:23.05`	`Quintin`	`geo-rge: I pasted that, genius.`
`01:23.18`	`geo-rge`	`ahh... thanks for letting us know`
`01:23.24`	`stew`	`Quintin: please don't paste in here. and please keep it on-topic`
`01:23.44`	`Quintin`	`wtfever`
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`01:23.58`	`geo-rge`	`Quintin: given your evident genius status, you could have thought to REMOVE the enters`
`01:24.15`	`stew`	`geo-rge: drop it`
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`01:31.33`	`geo-rge`	`if I have this sources.list line: "deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ sarge-backports main", would I say to apt-get, "-t sarge-backports" to get it to install packages apparantly available also in sarge?`
`01:31.54`	`stew`	`geo-rge: yes`
`01:31.55`	`JordiGH`	`Yes`
`01:32.03`	`geo-rge`	`nice...`
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`01:33.29`	`JordiGH`	`What would it take for Debian to reconsider the GFDL?`
`01:33.47`	`JordiGH`	`I'm really uncomfortable with having vrms complain about GFDL docs that I have installed. :-(`
`01:33.48`	`stew`	`JordiGH: another GR`
`01:33.55`	`esteel`	`a rewrite? :P`
`01:34.32`	`JordiGH`	`stew: I really want to be convinced by Debian. Comrade RedSwirlie is always right. What should I be reading?`
`01:34.51`	`stew`	`yeah vrms complaining about GFDL is kinda losing the "spirit" of vrms but kinda isn't at the same time :)`
`01:35.14`	`geo-rge`	`JordiGH, the issue is whether you think invariant sections as def'`
`01:35.20`	`stew`	`JordiGH: read this: "documentation should be treated as software and therefore should be freely modifyable"`
`01:35.35`	`geo-rge`	`d by the gfdl renders the doc in question non-free`
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`01:36.25`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: a change to the GFDL`
`01:36.41`	`geo-rge`	`note that a doc under gfdl that has no invariant sections or back/front cover texts is free`
`01:36.47`	`JordiGH`	`Hm. Can we redefine invariant sections to not be "documentation"? I mean, how does an rms rant count as documentation?`
`01:37.01`	`JordiGH`	`geo-rge: I thought they also complained about the drm clause being too vague.`
`01:37.21`	`geo-rge`	`not sure what you mean drm`
`01:37.50`	`stew`	`JordiGH: read this: you should be allowed to make a emacs "reference card" which shows just a selection of the documentation. (as it stands now, you could not legally give this reference card to someont without it containing the entire gnu manifesto)`
`01:38.35`	`phated`	`stew: Make a mug - emacs on the outside, gnu on the inside, and you'd have a lovely cross-eyed geek ^.^`
`01:39.21`	`JordiGH`	`stew: Ok, that does make more sense. Make invariant sections removable...`
`01:39.30`	`Quintin`	`omg. why would you want a virtual rms on your computer? barf`
`01:39.37`	`centrx`	`haha`
`01:39.53`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: rms and Debian used to be on good terms until this.`
`01:39.57`	`stew`	`JordiGH: if they were removable the problem would be solved. we'd just drop all the invariant sections the way we do with non free logos/icons`
`01:40.06`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: Well, they used to be on good terms a long time ago. ;-)`
`01:40.11`	`Quintin`	`I'm like .. 'is that what I think it is?' then I googled and found the debian package page.. :\|`
`01:40.19`	`JordiGH`	`!info vrms`
`01:40.25`	`gravity`	`RMS was also pissed that Debian had a non-free archive`
`01:40.28`	`dpkg`	`vrms: (virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.12 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 108 kB`
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`01:40.43`	`Quintin`	`JordiGH: what is 'this'? :)`
`01:40.50`	`Guerin`	`rms and debian used to be on good terms until debian officially ratified non-free`
`01:40.50`	`deus_`	`Is this a support channel?`
`01:41.01`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: I don't know, actually. Once upon a time, GNU endorsed Debian.`
`01:41.05`	`gravity`	`deus_: Yes`
`01:41.13`	`Quintin`	`deus_: no. go away!`
`01:41.17`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: gnu still does, with reservations`
`01:41.24`	`Quintin`	`deus_: er.. yes..`
`01:41.30`	`gravity`	`The rest of the FSF still loves Debian`
`01:41.35`	`JordiGH`	`Guerin: But they didn't ratify it. Debian doesn't consider the non-free section to be part of Debian. It simply distributes it as a concession to practicality. :-/`
`01:41.36`	`gravity`	`At least, everyone from the FSF that I've talked to`
`01:41.36`	`Quintin`	`JordiGH: well wtf. Do they endorse anything now? Besides Communism?`
`01:41.49`	`geo-rge`	`ok... here's the deal... I think I succeeded in installing and testing xorg on my machine, but I'm not quite sure... how can I tell that X is actually xorg server?`
`01:41.50`	`stew`	`gravity: i wish that were true`
`01:41.54`	`gravity`	`Quintin: They have their own ubuntu fork now`
`01:41.57`	`Guerin`	`JordiGH: no, they did ratify it, by way of a GR proposing to excise non-free being voted down`
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`01:42.02`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: Communism. Heh. You're from .us, aren't you? :-)`
`01:42.02`	`phated`	`Fubuntu?`
`01:42.05`	`gravity`	`stew: Really? Someone besides RMS hates us?`
`01:42.09`	`gravity`	`Gnewsense`
`01:42.10`	`Guerin`	`gravity: GNewSense, would you believe`
`01:42.18`	`phated`	`... oh, -ew-.`
`01:42.20`	`Guerin`	`the names ... they keep getting worser`
`01:42.23`	`Quintin`	`phated: F-U-buntu ... hehe`
`01:42.28`	`geo-rge`	`gnonsense?`
`01:42.32`	`stew`	`gravity: a bunch of emacs devs were pissed when the emacs / emacs-non-free split went into the archive`
`01:42.34`	`Guerin`	`Fubuntu would be a far better name`
`01:42.38`	`Quintin`	`geo-rge: lol !`
`01:42.40`	`gravity`	`Heh, I think I know the guy who came up with the name`
`01:42.44`	`gravity`	`stew does too`
`01:42.53`	`gravity`	`stew: Ah, interesting`
`01:43.01`	`Quintin`	`stew: what is non-free about emacs? or that version of it?`
`01:43.13`	`Guerin`	`Quintin: see above re GFDL`
`01:43.14`	`gravity`	`I don't follow emacs at all`
`01:43.15`	`geo-rge`	`Quintin, see that??! I'm occasionally entertaining!`
`01:43.16`	`stew`	`Quintin: the documentation isn't fully modifyable`
`01:43.22`	`deus_`	`Ok, im having problem with the powersaving function, when i close my lid on my laptop and open, the system freezes, or the screen dossent appear again, its a little hard tell`
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`01:43.44`	`stew`	`gravity: if you don't have the docs installed it breaks a bunch of real functionality since the docs are so heavily intertwined into the app`
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`01:43.52`	`deus_`	`is there a way to start up the screen or pc that ive missed, if not how can i remove the function?`
`01:43.55`	`Quintin`	`geo-rge: I have not laughed so hard.. all day I think! :p gnonsense.. woo. that is not my catchall name for rms idiocy`
`01:44.04`	`gravity`	`stew: Ick`
`01:44.05`	`Quintin`	`JordiGH: jaja .us ftw`
`01:44.35`	`Guerin`	`RMS FTW!`
`01:44.38`	`geo-rge`	`well yes, the guy does rant a lot... but to a degree he's a hero`
`01:44.47`	`Quintin`	`Guerin: ... :\`
`01:44.55`	`Quintin`	`Linus ftw!`
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`01:45.01`	`phated`	`omgwtfbbq`
`01:45.08`	`Guerin`	`Quintin: stop procrastinating and set up those ssl servers!`
`01:45.15`	`geo-rge`	`BARBIQUE!`
`01:45.29`	`stew`	`gravity: they argued right from the start the debian should remove emacs completely becuase "nobody could possibly find emacs without documentation useful"`
`01:45.34`	`Quintin`	`Linus is a almost handsome man with a real haircut and a hot wife and a practical outlook on things. RMS is.. fat and ugly.. and not too realistic`
`01:45.41`	`gravity`	`stew: That says more about emacs than anything`
`01:45.50`	`deus_`	`was that a good question?`
`01:45.54`	`Guerin`	`Quintin: and yet he's achieved much more than linus`
`01:45.57`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: It's not communism. Most distros of communism are an economic ideology bred upon the maxim that there should be a classless society as an inevitable result of a proletarian revolution. Reading Trotsky is nothing like reading RMS.`
`01:45.58`	`Quintin`	`There was a big hubbub about using whatever that version control system is.. because it was proprietary`
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`01:46.15`	`Quintin`	`Guerin: I'm not doing it. Someone else is.`
`01:46.21`	`gravity`	`Quintin: You mean bitkeeper? That was a real issue.`
`01:46.42`	`Guerin`	`anyway, really is skooltime now`
`01:46.48`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: Linus gets accused of being communist too: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/nikki/linux-communism.jpg`
`01:46.52`	`geo-rge`	`a real issue perpitrated by a real asshole`
`01:46.54`	`gravity`	`Quintin: Thankfully, we have several good options now that don't require you to use non-free software to work on the centerpiece of any linux system`
`01:46.57`	`Guerin`	`i leave you in the capable hands of my kitten, Danger`
`01:47.08`	`geo-rge`	`DangerKitten!`
`01:47.15`	`minerale`	`Greetings, I am looking in the debian manual for info on the "debian menu" -- it seems that the menu is nonstandard among the distributions, where can I read about it's architecture ?`
`01:47.18`	`Guerin`	`sorry, paws`
`01:47.27`	`geo-rge`	`good name for a girl band :)`
`01:47.28`	`gravity`	`geo-rge: Fuck off. RMS isn't the only one who thought that the bitkeeper fiasco was wrong.`
`01:47.48`	`rahul`	`halfcocked is a good girl band :)`
`01:48.24`	`geo-rge`	`gravity: what are you trying to say here?`
`01:48.25`	`Quintin`	`gravity: what's 'wrong' about it? If it's the best solution, use it. Who cares if it is 'free' or 'non-free', however you define those terms.`
`01:48.44`	`rahul`	`RMS once stole a router from the MIT AI Lab`
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`01:48.44`	`rahul`	`he figured it should be free ;)`
`01:48.49`	`gravity`	`Quintin: It wasn't the best solution. The best solution was what actually came about: write an alternate solution`
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`01:49.16`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: RMS on the other hand advocates (very heavily) freedom of information in all of its forms, freedom to read, modify, understand, and distribute. He also advocates making a living and selling your software if you so need to. He doesn't think that it's necessary to close your source in order to accomplish this.`
`01:49.29`	`Quintin`	`gravity: Excuse me while I use the best solution.. my mythical imaginary operating system that will make my computer run glxgears @ 384,327,283 frames per second.`
`01:49.43`	`Quintin`	`gravity: Oh snap! That's not so practical. :\`
`01:49.55`	`gravity`	`Quintin: Dude... I'm using git right now`
`01:49.59`	`gravity`	`Quintin: Have you ever used it?`
`01:50.24`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: There is an Ubuntu pledge going around to get free drivers for nvidia. It could happen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=299516`
`01:50.30`	`gravity`	`pfft`
`01:50.34`	`gravity`	`Not going to`
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`01:50.36`	`gravity`	`We'll have nouveau first`
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`01:50.41`	`gravity`	`At which point it won't matter`
`01:50.45`	`rahul`	`RMS hasn't been in an industry where your algorithm is worth hundreds of millions of dollars`
`01:50.58`	`Quintin`	`gravity: Nope. Your argument is rather poor I think. You are saying "the best solution" is something that doesn't exist.`
`01:51.07`	`rahul`	`and others having access to it will actually make you lose money instead of make it`
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`01:51.19`	`gravity`	`Quintin: No, I'm saying that when you don't have a good solution you have to make one. That's what happened after all.`
`01:51.23`	`deus_`	`is there a way to start up the screen or pc that ive missed, if not how can i remove the function?`
`01:51.27`	`Quintin`	`gravity: I'm just saying that's a bad argument. I don't know about which is best among CVS\|bitkeeper\|git\|svn\|whateva`
`01:51.29`	`gravity`	`Quintin: Do you even know what happened with bitkeeper and why git git written?`
`01:51.34`	`deus_`	`Im not that sure what the powersave function was called again`
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`01:51.47`	`Quintin`	`gravity: No, and I don't think that's pertinent.`
`01:51.57`	`gravity`	`Quintin: You're an idiot`
`01:51.58`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: He believes that this "losing money" is counting chickens before they hatch. And that profiting in such a way is immoral or at least can be abused.`
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`01:52.15`	`gravity`	`Quintin: You're arguing that writing git was the wrong solution, yet you DON'T EVEN KNOW THE STORY`
`01:52.18`	`Quintin`	`I'm rather fine with the situation now. I can get high performance gfx drivers from nvidia, and I don't have to pay anything.`
`01:52.23`	`gravity`	`wtf`
`01:52.33`	`gravity`	`Quintin: What do your nvidia drivers have to do with git and bitkeeper?`
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`01:52.40`	`geo-rge`	`s/git git/git got/ :)`
`01:52.41`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: Yes, you had to pay security.`
`01:52.41`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: that's not the case in this situation`
`01:52.43`	`JordiGH`	`!blob`
`01:52.43`	`dpkg`	`methinks blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html`
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`01:53.23`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: which situation? You haven't given a specific example.`
`01:53.27`	`gravity`	`Don't even get me started on the nvidia driver`
`01:53.28`	`Quintin`	`gravity: That's not what I'm saying. nvidia is re: another conversation.. pay attention.`
`01:53.29`	`gcbirzan`	`That's as opposed to open source stuff, that never had any security issue.`
`01:53.30`	`gravity`	`I don't have the patience`
`01:53.30`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: but he would probably say that capitalism is evil`
`01:53.46`	`Quintin`	`JordiGH: Because everyone of course can run remote X sessions on my machines. Exactly! :)`
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`01:54.22`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: He's never said anything of the sort. In the GNU manifesto he says that there are problems with capitalism in that by rewarding the winner, we may be encouraging the winner to punch the other competitors in the race instead of competing fairly.`
`01:54.24`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: algorithmic trading`
`01:54.34`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: The stock market?`
`01:54.37`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: yes`
`01:54.40`	`Quintin`	`oh wait... no one can have remote X sessions.. >_< oops! :)`
`01:54.41`	`geo-rge`	`how would you go about telling X to be more verbose with status/warning/error/hardware-discovery messages?`
`01:54.55`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: and it would result in the little guy losing the money, not the big guy`
`01:55.07`	`gravity`	`geo-rge: /var/log/Xorg.0.log isn't good enough?`
`01:55.14`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: The stock market seems kinda wrong to me sometimes... you make money for doing nothing. you make money because you have money. :-/`
`01:55.35`	`geo-rge`	`well I'm trying to get X to tell me it is in fact xorg`
`01:55.36`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: so where did the money come from?`
`01:55.43`	`chemaja`	`the economy itself seems kinda wrong, ie. fake`
`01:55.44`	`gravity`	`geo-rge: X -version`
`01:55.44`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: and what guarantees you'll make money?`
`01:55.46`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: You shouldn't have to put up with any security breach from your video card, no matter how small.`
`01:55.46`	`Kaiten4`	`There are two types of people, those who work, and those who don't`
`01:55.54`	`rahul`	`yeah, life seems kinda wrong`
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`01:56.23`	`gravity`	`geo-rge: The same info should be at the top of the Xorg.0.log`
`01:56.33`	`gcbirzan`	`JordiGH: Why does that only apply to video cards?`
`01:56.36`	`gravity`	`geo-rge: And if it's creating an Xorg.0.log at all, it's Xorg`
`01:56.43`	`Quintin`	`JordiGH: It's not a perfect world. I really don't care about such an issue. It doesn't affect me! You can only be so idealistic.`
`01:56.58`	`geo-rge`	`got this among other lines: "Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.X.Org"`
`01:57.04`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: I use the binary blob too, but I would be much happier if I didn't have to.`
`01:57.10`	`gravity`	`geo-rge: That would be xorg then.`
`01:57.20`	`geo-rge`	`good :) it seems to look fine`
`01:57.20`	`JordiGH`	`Quintin: Someone needs to tilt at these windmills. RMS is the one doing it for us.`
`01:57.24`	`chemaja`	`the binary driver situation is personally causing me to choose an Intel GMA950 chipset (instead of the Nvidia Go chipset) on my new laptop.`
`01:57.28`	`gravity`	`Glad to hear it`
`01:57.38`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: I mean, you can say it's evil to save money, but that will just result in you being poor`
`01:57.44`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: Good for you`
`01:57.56`	`gcbirzan`	`Yeah, have a free cookie. Free as in speech.`
`01:57.59`	`chemaja`	`and i'm only middle-of-the-road idealistic. ie. i'll put up with blobs in userspace (flashplayer-nonfree), but not in my freaking kernel`
`01:58.03`	`Quintin`	`geo-rge: man xorg. use logverbose option, I think it is.`
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`01:58.09`	`Kaiten4`	`evil is just a viewpoint`
`01:58.16`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: "stock trading" is just one step on the risk scale that starts with government bonds.`
`01:58.28`	`Quintin`	`gcbirzan: hah!`
`01:58.33`	`chemaja`	`i'm pissed off because the next-gen mobile graphics card comes on in Q2 2007 (ie. Intel), but i want new hardware NOW :(`
`01:58.34`	`minerale`	`I have a directory that I extracted as myself but need to change into root's permissions, how can I chmod it so folders are rx and all files are r ?`
`01:58.38`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: Insider trading is the government's definition of evil in the stock market.`
`01:58.42`	`geo-rge`	`brb`
`01:58.47`	`gcbirzan`	`chemaja: Work for your idealism!`
`01:58.48`	`chemaja`	`so i'm just sort of languishing in pain ;)`
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`01:59.05`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: yes, and making your algorithms publically available will make that kind of trading legal`
`01:59.21`	`geo-rge`	`non-evil in the stock market is "let's make sure you're actually -gambling-"`
`01:59.23`	`Kaiten4`	`Evil is just not going to dissapear one day`
`01:59.25`	`gravity`	`Why do people think having Free Software is pure idealism? It's obviously a practical matter.`
`01:59.31`	`chemaja`	`i should just STFU, buy it, and just buy a wii for games.`
`01:59.42`	`geo-rge`	`brb`
`01:59.44`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: it already happens when algos are leaked or someone goes to a different firm`
`01:59.44`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: Explain?`
`01:59.44`	`Quintin`	`chemaja: recommend option #2`
`01:59.55`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: you can predict whether someone is buying or selling`
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`02:00.15`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: you know the pattern used by the algo, so you know what some pension fund is doing`
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`02:00.30`	`chemaja`	`Quintin: ie. buy, not wait?`
`02:00.40`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: you then front-run the pension fund and someone's pension gets underfunded as a result`
`02:00.44`	`geo-rge`	`There... so that went smooth as silk...`
`02:00.49`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: is that good or evil?`
`02:00.54`	`Quintin`	`chemaja: I was facetiously referring to to option where you STFU. ;-)`
`02:01.01`	`chemaja`	`Quintin: :(`
`02:01.04`	`Quintin`	`chemaja: :D`
`02:01.09`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: Isn't a perfect market supposed to prevent exactly that?`
`02:01.13`	`rahul`	`of course, you could say that pension funds are evil because they trade stocks`
`02:01.17`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: no`
`02:01.23`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: well, there's no such thing`
`02:01.34`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: it requires infinite, immediate supply of securities and cash`
`02:01.42`	`rahul`	`and information`
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`02:01.57`	`rahul`	`without anyone actually knowing it, so they can't exploit it :)`
`02:01.59`	`geo-rge`	`there is a book "What Works on Wall Street" which describes the best performing stock investment strategies of all time`
`02:02.04`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: Are these algorithms actually making anyone richer?`
`02:02.10`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: sure`
`02:02.21`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: they're how more than half of trading is done`
`02:02.28`	`optraz2`	`hello all, just curious, the fstab as show in this http://pastebin.ca/268859 //how do the system know which label=/hd2 map to the physical disk 1 or physical disk 2?`
`02:02.33`	`gcbirzan`	`How to Become a Millionaire on Wall Street in Five Easy Steps`
`02:02.57`	`geo-rge`	`and they can write that book because they finally have the stock history for at minimum the past 50 years in some computer`
`02:03.01`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: they don't matter to someone with an e-trade account, but someone with a mutual fund or pension or life insurance uses them indirectly`
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`02:03.39`	`rahul`	`geo-rge: the moment you find out about a sure way to make money, it's a sure way to not make money, because the money was already made`
`02:03.48`	`rahul`	`the only sure way to make money is to be ready to lose it`
`02:04.02`	`geo-rge`	`that last is assuredly true...`
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`02:04.07`	`geo-rge`	`but read the book`
`02:04.08`	`rahul`	`the less you want your money, the more money you'll make when you invest it :)`
`02:04.15`	`gcbirzan`	`rahul: I go to work every day (well, almost :-P). And I get money for it. :-P`
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`02:04.32`	`geo-rge`	`right, because it's not money that counts, it's income`
`02:05.00`	`rahul`	`gcbirzan: well, those people paying you are funded by evil people because they are supporting evil traders by selling their stock or loaning money to them :)`
`02:05.17`	`JordiGH`	`I wonder what would happen if Debian decides that GPLv3 is non-free because of an overly broad drm clause... There goes the base system!`
`02:05.24`	`rahul`	`heh`
`02:05.25`	`geo-rge`	`so I guess we went from rms to evil to evil money :)`
`02:05.28`	`gcbirzan`	`rahul: My last employer was probably involved in more evil stuff than stock trading. :-D`
`02:05.40`	`rahul`	`gcbirzan: sounds like a story :)`
`02:05.45`	`Kaiten4`	`we could all use opensolaris`
`02:05.45`	`dvs`	`gcbirzan: you worked for Microsoft? ;-)`
`02:05.52`	`Quintin`	`my employer is involved in some very evil stuffs`
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`02:06.02`	`Quintin`	`I'm self-employed though :\`
`02:06.07`	`gcbirzan`	`dvs: Unfortunately, no. :-P`
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`02:06.30`	`geo-rge`	`Quintin: QED you are the one involved in some very evil stuffs? :)`
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`02:06.42`	`gcbirzan`	`I think that was the whole point. :-P`
`02:06.55`	`Quintin`	`geo-rge: yes :'(`
`02:07.01`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: That's not going to happen`
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`02:07.03`	`gcbirzan`	`rahul: But, anyway, bottom line is money is evil.`
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`02:07.13`	`rahul`	`in fact, food is evil`
`02:07.15`	`geo-rge`	`not necessarily`
`02:07.23`	`rahul`	`because you can buy food with money`
`02:07.29`	`geo-rge`	`it;s neutral like anything else`
`02:07.31`	`rahul`	`we should all starve to death.`
`02:07.33`	`Kaiten4`	`abolish capitalism, anarchy, no more man rule man!`
`02:07.41`	`Kaiten4`	`</radicalism>`
`02:07.44`	`rahul`	`hell yeah`
`02:07.49`	`gcbirzan`	`Yeah.`
`02:07.51`	`stoned`	`what the FUCK are you guys on about`
`02:07.52`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: Why not? They already removed large and importatnt portion of GNU documentation, partially citing an overly broad drm clause. Why won't they do the same with GPLv3?`
`02:07.53`	`rahul`	`who's got the molotov cocktals?`
`02:08.00`	`geo-rge`	`Kaiten4: heh, and that's going to happen soon tooo... today in fact!`
`02:08.01`	`stoned`	`I'm more than half lost`
`02:08.04`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: It's already been hashed out on debian-legal, and it's ok. Furthermore, several Debian developers are in the committees for the GPL`
`02:08.05`	`gcbirzan`	`There's a particular traffic light I'd take down, first thing after the Revolution`
`02:08.12`	`rahul`	`stoned: well, you're stoned... so duh`
`02:08.15`	`rahul`	`:)`
`02:08.17`	`stoned`	`lol`
`02:08.19`	`pickcoder`	`I'm trying to find the zr36120 media/video driver but it's not in etch. I know it's available for 2.6.17.`
`02:08.20`	`stoned`	`good one`
`02:08.25`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: Ah, that's good.`
`02:08.27`	`Kaiten4`	`I wish I was stoned, politics make more sense that way`
`02:08.27`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: It wasn't the DRM clause. It was the invariant sections, which is different`
`02:08.36`	`rahul`	`gcbirzan: I'll take a piss on the traffic light once you're done`
`02:08.44`	`stoned`	`nah, #debian makes more sense to me that way`
`02:08.48`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: The drm clause was also one of the reasons, wasn't it?`
`02:08.52`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: Eben is supposedly working on a new GFDL which will hopefully address the various bugs in the license`
`02:09.00`	`stoned`	`I couldn't upgrade`
`02:09.00`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: The invariant sections was the big one for most people`
`02:09.07`	`stoned`	`oh wait, its in the topic, so /me topics`
`02:09.09`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: Seriously?`
`02:09.13`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: Yeah`
`02:09.17`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: It was a real issue`
`02:09.34`	`geo-rge`	`so now that I'm running xorg without problems... I should try fglrx`
`02:09.41`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: Cool. Where did you hear about this?`
`02:09.43`	`geo-rge`	`!fglrx`
`02:09.45`	`dpkg`	`fglrx is, like, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver`
`02:09.45`	`gcbirzan`	`rahul: Cool! Now, until the Revolution starts, since some less evil person is paying me nowadays, and because I've been skipping work for three days now, I've gotta go back to slaving away. :-P`
`02:09.52`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: I followed it. I'm a DD.`
`02:09.53`	`rahul`	`haha`
`02:09.58`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml`
`02:10.22`	`geo-rge`	`do I need contrib and non-free on backports.org?`
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`02:10.30`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: I've read that. It doesn't say anything about Eben working on a new license, does it?`
`02:10.45`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: Oh, that. No, I was told by people who were at the GPLv3 conference a few months ago`
`02:10.55`	`Kaiten4`	`After I was stoned one time and came back to my computer and saw that I was trying to start windows by type STARTWIN in debian`
`02:10.56`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: He mentioned it up on stage there`
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`02:11.27`	`Quintin`	`I more prefer my license`
`02:11.32`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: Oh. Good. I hope he gets it out soon.`
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`02:11.40`	`Quintin`	`"I don't give a fuck what you do with it, and it's not my problem if you screw something up."`
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`02:11.43`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: Probably not until after GPL3 is out`
`02:11.49`	`Quintin`	`How about that? Only one line!`
`02:11.50`	`gravity`	`MIT/X11`
`02:11.52`	`Perdignus`	`Good evening`
`02:11.52`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: Next year?`
`02:11.56`	`gravity`	`JordiGH: dunno`
`02:12.08`	`geo-rge`	`Quintin: you just invented the bsd license`
`02:12.09`	`JordiGH`	`gravity: Well, GPLv3 is supposedly for next year.`
`02:12.14`	`Quintin`	`!win Quintin`
`02:12.15`	`dpkg`	`Congratulations, Quintin! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island!`
`02:12.18`	`Quintin`	`woo!`
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`02:12.43`	`Quintin`	`geo-rge: More or less the newer BSD license without the vanity clause.. yea. But mine is less wordy, and much more colorful!`
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`02:13.16`	`geo-rge`	`Quintin, the main issue addressed by the gpl is a programmer's ability to write`
`02:13.17`	`Perdignus`	Anyone recognize this when trying to update a system? --> `fontconfig-config' is missing final newline
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`02:13.39`	`Rug`	`Howdy all`
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`02:13.42`	`Rug`	`How do I play .mkv video files?`
`02:13.46`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: it's possible that problem is easy to solve...`
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`02:14.00`	`Quintin`	`geo-rge: addressed in the first 5 words of QL-1.0... :-D`
`02:14.09`	`Quintin`	`Rug: apt-get install vlc`
`02:14.18`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: That'd be nice, I'm kind of stuck right now`
`02:14.24`	`Quintin`	`Rug: maybe. mkv is just a wrapper. what's inside it ... ?`
`02:14.26`	`Kaiten4`	`wtfpl license http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/`
`02:15.05`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: if you are told that (a) something is missing and (b) the missing thing is causing a problem... what would your conclusion be?`
`02:15.11`	`Quintin`	`Kaiten4: Those shitheads stole my idea!`
`02:15.21`	`Rug`	`Quintin: vlc & xine are not playing it. Mplayer does play it but all messed up (inverted colours like a 'good' acid trip`
`02:15.37`	`Quintin`	`!htfswk Rug`
`02:15.38`	`dpkg`	`Rug: How The Fuck Should We Know?`
`02:15.38`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: Install (b) ?`
`02:15.39`	`Rug`	`Quintin: it's an x264 codec`
`02:15.41`	`Quintin`	`Rug: what's inside the file?`
`02:15.46`	`Quintin`	`that's better. hmm`
`02:16.11`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: ok, so what does this message say is missing?`
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`02:16.40`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: a newline ?`
`02:16.47`	`geo-rge`	`yes... what's that, btw?`
`02:17.11`	`geo-rge`	`no actually you have all the clues in front of you`
`02:17.17`	`Kaiten4`	`newline is a newline`
`02:17.18`	`Quintin`	`Rug: I've seen some mp4 files that had weird colors.. not sure what the issue is. You might ask #mplayer. Are you certain the file is not corrupt?`
`02:17.19`	`geo-rge`	`I'm just trying to help you assemble them`
`02:17.23`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: a newline? I'm really not sure, didn't sound like a package, more like an error in a package?`
`02:17.37`	`Kaiten4`	`newline is not installable`
`02:17.39`	`Rug`	`Quintin: md5sum checks out`
`02:17.41`	`geo-rge`	`I'll show you what a newline is:`
`02:17.43`	`geo-rge`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:17.46`	`geo-rge`	`see?`
`02:17.56`	`Perdignus`	`ahh, the old fashioned carriage return`
`02:17.57`	`Kaiten4`	`probably bad package`
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`02:19.11`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: yes. now: what is it missing from?`
`02:20.07`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: from the package files list for fontconfig-config?`
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`02:20.35`	`Kaiten4`	`perdignus c/p to pastebin?`
`02:20.36`	`Caelum`	`where can I find information on setting up syslog-ng to do forwarding over UDP, and adding new facilities?`
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`02:21.13`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: according to the message, it's missing from a particular file... if we can find that file, maybe appending one of these newline thingys will make the message go away`
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`02:23.03`	`Perdignus`	geo-rge: where are "files list file for package `fontconfig-config'" kept?
`02:23.16`	`geo-rge`	`good question`
`02:23.36`	`gcbirzan`	`Caelum: I don't think you can add facilities. As for the former, Google?`
`02:23.46`	`Kaiten4`	`don't mind george he doesn't know what he is talking about`
`02:23.55`	`optraz2`	`hello all, just curious, the fstab as show in this http://pastebin.ca/268859 //how do the system know which label=/hd2 map to the physical disk 1 or physical disk 2?`
`02:24.09`	`geo-rge`	`dpkg -L <package> will give you the list of files for a package, assuming it comes from the tarball in the package`
`02:24.10`	`dpkg`	`ii <package> will give you the list of files for a package, assuming it comes from the tarball in the package 1.4-1 geo-rge's private porn collection`
`02:24.13`	`Caelum`	`gcbirzan: why not? the facilities are defined in the conf file...`
`02:24.15`	`Kaiten4`	`Perdignus: Can you copy/paste the error?`
`02:25.25`	`pickcoder`	`can anyone point me to a how-to guide for setting up kdetv and v4l`
`02:25.32`	`gcbirzan`	`Caelum: No... Where the logs go is defined in the conf file.`
`02:25.39`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: here is my pastebin --> http://pastebin.ca/268873`
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`02:26.14`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: even "dpkg -L fontconfig-config" gives me the same error :(`
`02:27.01`	`Kaiten4`	`Perdignus: unstable?`
`02:27.18`	`Perdignus`	`Perdignus: sure seems to be ;) but seriously yup`
`02:27.30`	`Perdignus`	`oops Kaiten4: sorry yikes`
`02:27.53`	`geo-rge`	`brb...`
`02:28.03`	`gcbirzan`	`dpkg -l fontconfig-config ?`
`02:28.04`	`dpkg`	`No packages found matching fontconfig-config`
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`02:28.11`	`Kaiten4`	`Perdignus: install that certain package froma testing repo?`
`02:28.34`	`gcbirzan`	`I have it on unstable.`
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`02:29.04`	`Kaiten4`	`maybe it was a corrupt download`
`02:29.13`	`gcbirzan`	`Unlikely..`
`02:29.27`	`Perdignus`	`Kaiten4: not to my knowlegde but anything's possible, here's my sources.list --> http://pastebin.ca/268876`
`02:29.34`	`geo-rge`	`what is the name of the package?`
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`02:29.40`	`gcbirzan`	`I mean, you try to modify a bit so that the ungzipped version is missing a newline :-)`
`02:29.40`	`goodshit`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:29.45`	`geo-rge`	`what is the name of the program you're using?`
`02:30.08`	`Kaiten4`	`geo-rge: he just posted the pastebin of what he attempted to do`
`02:30.25`	`geo-rge`	`while I cycled?`
`02:30.38`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: well, I'm really just trying to upgrade or dist-upgrade or install aptitude even, nothing specific`
`02:30.45`	`gcbirzan`	`geo-rge: 3 minutes before.`
`02:30.54`	`Kaiten4`	`he;s trying to remove libgtkmm`
`02:31.23`	`Kaiten4`	`http://pastebin.ca/268873`
`02:31.24`	`geo-rge`	`fortran?! to install aptitude?`
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`02:32.12`	`nrdb`	`I think I might have damaged my modem, can I force it to dial even if it doesn't sense a dial tone ?`
`02:32.40`	`Perdignus`	`"locate fontconfig-config" resulted in this --> http://pastebin.ca/268879`
`02:32.54`	`Perdignus`	`maybe one of those files would be helpful?`
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`02:33.41`	`Kaiten4`	`apt-get upgrade libgtkmm?`
`02:33.45`	`geo-rge`	`take a look at the file referred to on line 6`
`02:34.31`	`Caelum`	`nrdb: if it doesn't sense a dial tone it won't sense anything else`
`02:34.32`	`geo-rge`	`pull it into an editor and go to the bottom`
`02:34.43`	`Perdignus`	`yuck, it's binary`
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`02:34.50`	`geo-rge`	`hmm`
`02:35.11`	`geo-rge`	`that doesn't seem right`
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`02:35.51`	`geo-rge`	`try this as root: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/fontconfig-config_2.4.1-2_all.deb`
`02:35.52`	`Kaiten4`	`rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/fontconfig-config.list`
`02:36.36`	`dooglus`	`I'm having trouble connecting to http://ftp.de.debian.org/ with apt-get. Is it down, or is the problem at my end?`
`02:36.42`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: not suprising, this happened then --> http://pastebin.ca/268885`
`02:36.48`	`geo-rge`	`those should be text files`
`02:37.34`	`Perdignus`	`wget http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/debian/pool/main/f/fontconfig/fontconfig-config_2.4.1-2_all.deb`
`02:37.44`	`Perdignus`	`sorry`
`02:38.11`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: well I'm sure you have that file already, in apt's archive`
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`02:38.41`	`geo-rge`	`it's looking like something is trashing your package database`
`02:38.41`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: I'm wondering if it's not corrupt? I did just recently crash and have to do a bunch of file system repairs`
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`02:38.51`	`geo-rge`	`hmm`
`02:38.56`	`graphyx`	`How can I find out what package a particular file belongs to?`
`02:38.58`	`Kaiten4`	`Perdignus: I wouldn't doubt it`
`02:39.02`	`geo-rge`	`it might be unfortunately... it's looking that way`
`02:39.03`	`graphyx`	`For example what package does "top" belong to?`
`02:39.16`	`geo-rge`	`psutils?`
`02:39.25`	`geo-rge`	`!find top`
`02:39.27`	`dpkg`	`Debian Package Listing of 'top' (15 of 83): 3ddesktop ;; apachetop ;; atop ;; autopilot ;; autopkgtest ;; autoproject ;; autopsy ;; cl-getopt ;; desktop-base ;; desktop-file-utils ;; desktop-profiles ;; diveintopython ;; dnstop ;; education-desktop-gnome ;; education-desktop-kde.`
`02:39.48`	`geo-rge`	`!find bin/top`
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`02:39.57`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: no luck reinstalling it, if it's my dpkg db, can I do a repair on it?`
`02:40.01`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'bin/top' (5): (/usr/bin/top) in admin/procps ;; (/usr/bin/topal) in contrib/mail/topal ;; (/usr/bin/topica2mail) in perl/libwww-topica-perl ;; (/usr/lib/remstats/bin/topology-monitor) in net/remstats ;; (/usr/bin/{topmasq\|topnet\|toptcp}) in admin/tcpquota.`
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`02:40.30`	`graphyx`	`ok thanks.`
`02:40.36`	`stew`	`graphyx: /msg dpkg search`
`02:40.36`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: do you know someone named glasyalabolis?`
`02:41.19`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: actually no, is that a joke though? Sounds greek to me...`
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`02:41.53`	`geo-rge`	`he was being abusive in /msg towards me earlier, in regards to how I was trying to help`
`02:42.06`	`Kaiten4`	`it's a misspelling of a demon mentioned in one of Steven King's books`
`02:42.17`	`Mookie`	`Durn. I set out of install PHPGroupware on etch, and there's a dependency squabble ongoing. PHPGroupware has class naming conflict with PHP 5.2. Uggh. Is there any place I can find all the 5.1.6 packages?`
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`02:42.56`	`geo-rge`	`he doesn't like the fact that I left out certain answers so you could learn something`
`02:42.59`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: not cool, I honestly appreciate your help very much`
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`02:43.30`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: I didn't mind you making me think, it's a good excercise`
`02:44.02`	`geo-rge`	`my basic strategy was to give you time to think things through on your own... and I can generally do this no matter how clueless I am in the situation... in that respect, I stand to learn as well'`
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`02:45.10`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: the thing is, he seemed to know what the problem was`
`02:45.13`	`olskolirc`	`are we done with the male bonding?`
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`02:45.43`	`geo-rge`	`olskolirc: who do you want to bond with??`
`02:45.46`	`rahul`	`yeah, lets have some female bonding`
`02:45.50`	`jesseman_`	`is that code for something?`
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`02:46.00`	`olskolirc`	`ok :-D`
`02:46.02`	`Kaiten4`	`most aliases in here sound asexual`
`02:46.05`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: I'm still clueless on the problem, I might just give up and take the opportunity to revert back to 2.4.x with a fresh install`
`02:46.12`	`olskolirc`	`im really turned on by unix men`
`02:46.15`	`dvs`	`Kaiten4: really? ;-)`
`02:46.28`	`Kaiten4`	`dvs: take yours for example`
`02:46.31`	`olskolirc`	`lol Kaiten4`
`02:47.03`	`dvs`	`heh`
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`02:47.33`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: it just seems weird... I do have a log of the conversation up to the point I /ignored him`
`02:47.41`	`Kaiten4`	`oh I remember you nvs`
`02:47.52`	`dvs`	`uh oh`
`02:48.02`	`geo-rge`	`dvs -> devious? :)`
`02:48.12`	`dvs`	`!prise geo-rge`
`02:48.17`	`Kaiten4`	`I typed some of my old aliases into google this morning and found myself in quote db trying to figure something out`
`02:48.18`	`dvs`	`doh!`
`02:48.36`	`Thylacine`	`geo-rge: you really think I was that person though? I really wasn't`
`02:48.37`	`olskolirc`	`ewww not funny dpkg`
`02:49.12`	`dvs`	`dpkg not funny`
`02:49.25`	`olskolirc`	`dpkg not funny`
`02:49.38`	`olskolirc`	`!dpkg not funny`
`02:49.48`	`Kaiten4`	`!apt-get install pain`
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`02:50.02`	`Kaiten4`	`!dpkg -i death`
`02:50.06`	`geo-rge`	`Thylacine: one sec pls :)`
`02:50.39`	`Kaiten4`	`why is that fglrx packages in debian never work...? What kernel are they expected to run with?`
`02:50.58`	`dvs`	`Kaiten4: huh? it works for me.`
`02:50.58`	`pipeline`	`Kaiten4: None. You have to build a package for the kernel portion of the driver, dumbass. Next time, read the README >:(`
`02:51.39`	`pipeline`	`Kaiten4: It is generally not a good idea to come into a channel with such a nasty attitude, or you get pissy folks like me responding.`
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`02:52.06`	`Kaiten4`	`huh? that's what I always did except I built all my packages from scratch or used the installer, if I can apt-get fglrx and have it work in ubuntu why is it that I can't in debian?`
`02:52.21`	`Kaiten4`	`pipeline: you're assuming my attitude wrongly`
`02:52.26`	`rpc`	`hmm trying to disable HTTP_VIA in squid... is it possible so it won't show up anymore?`
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`02:56.57`	`geo-rge`	`still on phone...`
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`03:00.27`	`nocti`	`is it possible to share mail/profile between evolution and tb?`
`03:01.26`	`rahul`	`tb?`
`03:01.38`	`Coweater`	`thunderbird`
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`03:01.46`	`rahul`	`oh hah`
`03:01.48`	`rahul`	`yeah right`
`03:01.57`	`rahul`	`nocti: good luck!`
`03:01.59`	`nocti`	`yes thunderbird`
`03:02.17`	`rahul`	`totally different design principles.`
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`03:03.12`	`jamescarr`	`do any of you guys know if AIM changed it's frakking protocol today?`
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`03:03.17`	`nocti`	`hmm ok. i was just thinking about using evolution on nix and tb on xp. so i guess it's tb for both.`
`03:03.18`	`jamescarr`	`gaim will not connect :(`
`03:03.23`	`jamescarr`	`to AIM at least`
`03:03.28`	`jamescarr`	`everything else connects :(`
`03:03.40`	`wireddd`	`jamescarr, I am useing kopete and I am connected`
`03:03.46`	`wireddd`	`its probably just you`
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`03:04.15`	`jamescarr`	`I will try with kopete and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade gaim`
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`03:04.30`	`jamescarr`	`oh it's connecting`
`03:04.32`	`jamescarr`	`wierd`
`03:04.33`	`reebd`	`Can somebody recommend a good server firewall script/dpkg? I need inbound protection, or something that can confuse an attacker.`
`03:04.35`	`jamescarr`	`took awhile`
`03:05.11`	`jamescarr`	`nick afaik`
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`03:05.20`	`Perdignus`	`reebd: Bastille firewall / hardening system is nice`
`03:05.29`	`unlink`	`gaim's broken on sid.`
`03:05.36`	`unlink`	`i mean, the package is not installablle.`
`03:05.44`	`reebd`	`Perdignus: got that installed.`
`03:06.33`	`Perdignus`	`reebd: denyhosts for ssh attacks is nice`
`03:07.03`	`Mookie`	`Hrmph. I'm not above compiling PHP5 5.1.6 locally. But, I guess I'll have to dig it from CVS (or SVN) database.`
`03:07.21`	`reebd`	`Perdignus: I need something that would protect or confuse port scans.`
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`03:07.47`	`Quintin`	`quick, scan reebd while you can!`
`03:07.52`	`ivx`	`hey is debian a good os for a lamp`
`03:08.14`	`Quintin`	`ivx: no. use redhat`
`03:08.14`	`Perdignus`	`lol Quintin`
`03:08.21`	`Quintin`	`I'll be here all week, folks. tip your waitresses!`
`03:08.48`	`ivx`	`quintin, what if i am looking for a free distro`
`03:09.01`	`Quintin`	`ivx: I was being a shithead. debian is the best.`
`03:09.14`	`rahul`	`my lamps are turnkey`
`03:09.25`	`Quintin`	`my lamps you just touch`
`03:09.26`	`ivx`	`quintin, oh haha is it better than solaris`
`03:09.33`	`rahul`	`and their flourescent`
`03:09.36`	`Quintin`	`ivx: 'better' is highly subjective`
`03:09.38`	`reebd`	`there was a script/program that made all ports seemingly open to port scanners. Anybody knows name of it?`
`03:09.47`	`Quintin`	`flourescent lights suck... they flicker`
`03:09.53`	`rahul`	`Quintin: mine don't`
`03:10.09`	`Quintin`	`rahul: Yes they do, you just can't see it :P`
`03:10.10`	`rahul`	`my halogen ones do, tho :\`
`03:10.10`	`ivx`	`quintin that is only if you have a cheap ballast`
`03:10.10`	`rahul`	`bah`
`03:10.24`	`Quintin`	`causes gf to have seizures :(`
`03:10.26`	`rahul`	`Quintin: actually many of the modern ones have coatings that even it out, I think`
`03:10.28`	`reebd`	`how do I find out when the computer (time/date) was restarted last time?`
`03:10.30`	`gravity`	`eep`
`03:10.55`	`Quintin`	`rahul: uptime or w`
`03:10.59`	`rahul`	`"last"`
`03:11.07`	`rahul`	`uptime can get rolled`
`03:11.23`	`rahul`	`then again w and last get rolled, too, via logrotate`
`03:12.05`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: back... no, some guy was /msging me about how I was being condenscending towards you (when I was purposely lagging on giving you specific answers so that you had a chance to think it through)`
`03:12.11`	`minerale`	`Greetings, I'm looking for documentation on the debian menu, does anyone know ?`
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`03:12.31`	`reebd`	`uptime is not it. I need to know date/time when the server was restarted. Isn't there a more reliable util?`
`03:12.37`	`kupesoft`	`Okay, when's the release date for etch?!`
`03:12.43`	`Quintin`	`reebd: last`
`03:12.54`	`Quintin`	`kupesoft: Real Soon Now. (tm!)`
`03:12.57`	`Perdignus`	`geo-rge: oh I see, what the heck bidness is it of his how you help me, sounds like he's waack`
`03:13.03`	`geo-rge`	`today! no, next week! no... hmmm`
`03:13.08`	`Perdignus`	`unless of course he's still in this room somewhere`
`03:13.08`	`reebd`	`Quintin: ty`
`03:13.20`	`geo-rge`	`Perdignus: I`
`03:13.25`	`geo-rge`	`am guessing he is`
`03:13.39`	`Thylacine`	`Perdignus who?`
`03:13.39`	`geo-rge`	`nick is/was glasyalabolis`
`03:13.46`	`geo-rge`	`and he's not here now`
`03:13.55`	`kupesoft`	`)=`
`03:14.00`	`kupesoft`	`Should I just install the beta?`
`03:14.03`	`gcbirzan`	`reebd: Look in /proc/stat, btime.`
`03:14.10`	`kupesoft`	`RC1, even`
`03:14.34`	`reebd`	`gcbirzan: interesting. what time format is that?`
`03:15.01`	`gcbirzan`	`Seconds passed since 1st January 1970.`
`03:15.19`	`reebd`	`gcbirzan: ok. and how does that tell me when the server was restarted last time?`
`03:15.28`	`gcbirzan`	`Hm.`
`03:15.35`	`gcbirzan`	`blinks`
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`03:15.53`	`gcbirzan`	`I don't even know where to start answering that. :-)`
`03:16.02`	`reebd`	`323 603.148 hours`
`03:16.11`	`reebd`	`what the hell is that?`
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`03:16.44`	`reebd`	`13 483.4583 days`
`03:16.58`	`eneloop`	`hello`
`03:17.13`	`reebd`	`btime = 36.9152306 years`
`03:17.17`	`dooglus`	`reebd: "uptime" tells you how long since last reboot`
`03:17.26`	`Quintin`	`Time since the beginning of the Unix epoch.`
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`03:17.39`	`reebd`	`btime == birth time :)`
`03:17.47`	`dooglus`	`cat /proc/stat`
`03:17.49`	`geo-rge`	`beer time?`
`03:17.58`	`reebd`	`geo-rge: yes!`
`03:18.00`	`gcbirzan`	`gawk '/btime/ { print strftime("%F %R",$2)}' /proc/stat`
`03:18.29`	`gcbirzan`	`reebd: 36.9152306 years since 1970.`
`03:18.30`	`concept10`	`Ive been searching for a app that syncs Windows Mobile with Linux.. Anyone know of possible solution?`
`03:18.33`	`gcbirzan`	`Make sense now?`
`03:18.39`	`eneloop`	`hey guys, what's the longest uptime among your boxes?`
`03:18.39`	`ivx`	`it i am going to get debian, what version would be good, is etch stable enough yet`
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`03:18.52`	`kupesoft`	`3 years`
`03:18.54`	`gcbirzan`	`eneloop: 42.`
`03:19.01`	`eneloop`	`secs?`
`03:19.06`	`gcbirzan`	`HZ`
`03:19.07`	`chemaja`	`ivx: if unsure, get Sarge :)`
`03:19.09`	`reebd`	`gcbirzan: yes`
`03:19.20`	`ivx`	`chemaja okay thanks`
`03:19.41`	`eneloop`	`kupesoft, you win`
`03:19.45`	`geo-rge`	`ivx: there's an installer for etch that you can play with`
`03:20.04`	`geo-rge`	`is etch stable enough? check and see :)`
`03:20.12`	`gcbirzan`	`SYIH :-P`
`03:20.16`	`reebd`	`gcbirzan: I shold learn awk. you inspired me!`
`03:20.20`	`ivx`	`well i could always just update when they say it is stable`
`03:20.22`	`kupesoft`	`my brother's box has been up for 72 days now,`
`03:20.34`	`kupesoft`	`rack, really`
`03:20.39`	`pickcoder`	`ivx: what are you using the box for?`
`03:20.40`	`geo-rge`	`awk is cool... so are sed, grep, cat, sort, perl`
`03:20.46`	`geo-rge`	`bash`
`03:20.46`	`gcbirzan`	`python.`
`03:20.48`	`ivx`	`pickcoder, lamp`
`03:20.52`	`chemaja`	`i'm running etch, it's pretty stable, but it's always good policy to recommend stable to newbies`
`03:21.19`	`gcbirzan`	`geo-rge: cat's not that cool. dog's nice, cat is rarely useful. :-)`
`03:21.23`	`ivx`	`well i'm running ubuntu now and it sucks`
`03:21.31`	`geo-rge`	`cat -n is :)`
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`03:21.35`	`ivx`	`it thinks a usb decive is a scsi device`
`03:21.38`	`freespace`	`ubuntu does suck, its african for can't handle linux!`
`03:21.40`	`ivx`	`that can't be mounted`
`03:21.57`	`Quintin`	`ivx: .....`
`03:21.59`	`gcbirzan`	`geo-rge: nl! :-)`
`03:22.03`	`pickcoder`	`Sarge would be best`
`03:22.03`	`gcbirzan`	`Heh.`
`03:22.04`	`eneloop`	`I doubt if your hdd can be used excceeding 3 years`
`03:22.07`	`gravity`	`Please don't bash Ubuntu. Let's focus on Debian.`
`03:22.08`	`Quintin`	`ivx: usb devices are virtual scsi devices. you tard.`
`03:22.27`	`geo-rge`	`but ubuntu uses bash...`
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`03:22.30`	`Quintin`	`Free Ubuntu x86 CDs are available from my store. <3`
`03:22.33`	`gravity`	`heh`
`03:22.37`	`ivx`	`yeah it says scsi decive that can't be mounted`
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`03:22.44`	`geo-rge`	`so turnabout is fair play :P`
`03:22.47`	`gcbirzan`	`Yeah. My boss uses Ubuntu.`
`03:22.57`	`ivx`	`quintin, i quess you knoweverything then?`
`03:22.59`	`Quintin`	`your mom's pretty scuzzy, and I heard half the channel mounted her last night.`
`03:23.04`	`chemaja`	`my boss still doesn't know how to search Outlook`
`03:23.13`	`chemaja`	`it's so embarassing`
`03:23.13`	`kupesoft`	`gcbirzan: Your boss uses shiny debian, you mean?`
`03:23.18`	`eneloop`	`:]`
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`03:23.28`	`geo-rge`	`skinny debian?`
`03:23.38`	`reebd`	`there was a script/program that made all ports seemingly open to port scanners. Anybody knows name of it?`
`03:23.40`	`kupesoft`	`same difference ;/`
`03:23.51`	`gcbirzan`	`kupesoft: Since I've never had the curiosity to install it, I wouldn't know. :-)`
`03:24.09`	`ivx`	`so i can i update debian thorough the terminal withou thaving to completly reinstall`
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`03:24.12`	`eneloop`	`reebd, a honeypot?`
`03:24.15`	`Quintin`	`gcbirzan: free CDs from my store <3`
`03:24.21`	`geo-rge`	`ivx: yes`
`03:24.26`	`kupesoft`	`what's debian thorough?`
`03:24.28`	`reebd`	`eneloop: no, it was a firewall script.`
`03:24.36`	`kupesoft`	`Isn't debian comprehensive enough?`
`03:24.36`	`eneloop`	`ohh`
`03:24.48`	`ivx`	`geo-rge thanks`
`03:24.50`	`geo-rge`	`there was a linux journal front cover on "what is a linux"`
`03:25.18`	`geo-rge`	`I think it was issue 6 or so`
`03:25.20`	`Quintin`	`Linux Journal: For People Who Can't Google`
`03:25.33`	`geo-rge`	`there wasn't google then :P`
`03:25.43`	`Quintin`	`Linux Journal: For People Who Can't Yahoo!`
`03:25.44`	`kupesoft`	`Linux Journal's a good toilet read, if only for the ads,`
`03:25.44`	`geo-rge`	`there was altavista`
`03:25.49`	`Mookie`	`Can anyone access the Debian CVS repository (read-only)? I just want to pull out an old version of a package.`
`03:26.01`	`gcbirzan`	`kupesoft: Anyway, he is knowledgeable to make me consider the option of giving it instead of Debian to a new Linux user friend of mine. :-)`
`03:26.01`	`freespace`	`Linux Journal is a decent publication`
`03:26.20`	`kupesoft`	`gcbirzan: Ubuntu does have that appeal,`
`03:26.21`	`freespace`	`in my experience, i liked their kernel root kit article, complete with working code!`
`03:26.34`	`freespace`	`though their 2 column format kinda ruined the indent`
`03:26.48`	`geo-rge`	`hah... how many times did you apply that info? :P`
`03:27.14`	`Quintin`	`gcbirzan: Free CDs!! :-S`
`03:27.36`	`freespace`	`geo-rge: 0 times, but its good to know :)`
`03:27.45`	`freespace`	`much like a lot of stuff i learn in physics`
`03:28.42`	`gcbirzan`	`Quintin: I could write my own for 1/10th of the price of getting them from you. :-P`
`03:28.50`	`geo-rge`	`like how to use that thingy Newton made that he named after tooth dirt... hmm, oh yeah, calculus`
`03:29.01`	`Quintin`	`gcbirzan: 1/10 of 0 ..... ?!`
`03:29.02`	`gcbirzan`	`And that's probably including the price for downloadign the ISOs over GPRS,heh.`
`03:29.14`	`kupesoft`	`Mmm, when's etch going to be stable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111one`
`03:29.27`	`gcbirzan`	`Quintin: Hm, getting them _from_ you. To me. :-P`
`03:29.29`	`freespace`	`i was thinking more of tensors in general rel. and the various forms of maxwell's equations`
`03:29.30`	`geo-rge`	`kupesoft: in about 10 mins`
`03:29.30`	`eneloop`	`1/10 of 0 = 0.0`
`03:29.36`	`gcbirzan`	`Hahah`
`03:29.38`	`geo-rge`	`or was it 10 mins ago...`
`03:29.41`	`kupesoft`	`)=`
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`03:29.57`	`geo-rge`	`it doesn't matter much... cause you can get it NOW`
`03:30.07`	`Quintin`	`gcbirzan: 4.99. cheeeeeeeap`
`03:30.09`	`kupesoft`	`Fine, I'll get it now.`
`03:30.26`	`geo-rge`	`you don't have to stick with it even...`
`03:30.42`	`geo-rge`	`if you try the installer you could comment on your experience`
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`03:31.52`	`Quintin`	`gcbirzan: you even get the honor of being my first customer...`
`03:32.00`	`geo-rge`	`ok, I'm looking at cvs.debian.org... I just see debian-boot there`
`03:32.40`	`gcbirzan`	`Heh.`
`03:33.19`	`eneloop`	`...`
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`03:36.05`	`Miesco`	`Okay whats a good client for instant messaging?`
`03:36.17`	`odla`	`Miesco, apt-cache search instant message`
`03:36.19`	`geo-rge`	`has to be good...`
`03:36.29`	`odla`	`Miesco, do you use kde or gnome?`
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`03:36.33`	`keith80403`	`Miesco, Gaim is quite good`
`03:36.35`	`Miesco`	`gnome`
`03:36.40`	`odla`	`Miesco, use gaim`
`03:36.43`	`Miesco`	`Okay`
`03:37.07`	`Miesco`	`Doesn't have voice though, but I dont think any of them do`
`03:37.15`	`odla`	`sad that i never bothered to ask if he uses another wm`
`03:37.24`	`odla`	`Miesco, i think amsn and kopete might`
`03:37.36`	`pickcoder`	`which QT package fulfills the xconfig for kernel builds`
`03:37.39`	`Miesco`	`odla: I use amsn right now, but its being bitchy keeps freezing`
`03:38.02`	`krazykit`	`pickcoder, qt3-dev, as i recall.`
`03:38.17`	`pickcoder`	`I installed libqt4-dev`
`03:38.19`	`pickcoder`	`gah`
`03:38.25`	`itchi`	`Miesco: amsn does webcam support`
`03:38.30`	`Miesco`	`Hey whats jabber?`
`03:38.43`	`itchi`	`Miesco: Alternative of msn network`
`03:39.00`	`Miesco`	`itchi: Okay I see`
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`03:39.43`	`krazykit`	`pickcoder, keep in mind that those of us that are truly hardcore use vim to edit our kernel configs ;-)`
`03:39.50`	`krazykit`	`<ps. kidding>`
`03:39.57`	`odla`	`e17 is a nice window manager :D`
`03:40.04`	`krazykit`	`yes, yes it is`
`03:40.14`	`kupesoft`	`is there any way to check which package a file is a part of?`
`03:40.15`	`krazykit`	`it's been lovely to me for more than a year now`
`03:40.38`	`freespace`	`krazykit: yes, and i always forget how`
`03:40.40`	`krazykit`	`kupesoft, check dpkg --help for the command line switch`
`03:41.16`	`pickcoder`	`no luck with libqt3-dev`
`03:41.37`	`jelly-home`	`menuconfig ftw`
`03:41.46`	`krazykit`	`<3 menuconfig`
`03:41.48`	`itchi`	`kupesoft: Look to /msg dpkg search`
`03:42.26`	`pickcoder`	`I know.. I normally use menuconfig`
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`03:44.22`	`itchi`	`Hey bitch, how are you today?`
`03:45.10`	`Miesco`	`In rxvt how would you change the title of the window, is there a command, I know there is a escape character way...`
`03:45.18`	`jelly-home`	`pickcoder: I have libqt3-mt-dev and qt3-dev-tools and it works`
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`03:46.04`	`pipeline`	`pickcoder: You actually work with pick?`
`03:47.06`	`Ubuntu-addict`	`is there a work around for dream linux install ? mine seems to die when i try to partition the hard drive.`
`03:47.25`	`optraz2`	`hello all, just curious, the fstab as show in this http://pastebin.ca/268859 //how do the system know which label=/hd2 map to the physical disk 1 or physical disk 2?`
`03:47.26`	`jelly-home`	`what is "dream linux install"?`
`03:47.46`	`Ubuntu-addict`	`dream linux is a multimedia distro of a debian package`
`03:47.53`	`Ubuntu-addict`	`install is how you install it form the live cd`
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`03:48.14`	`pickcoder`	`pipeline: I program in D3 on a daily basis`
`03:48.20`	`jelly-home`	`Ubuntu-addict: uhh... not much help here for derived distros, I'm afraid`
`03:48.22`	`rahul`	`Ubuntu-addict: maybe you should ask a kernel developer`
`03:48.33`	`rahul`	`since it's derived from the linux kernel, too`
`03:48.51`	`rahul`	`Ubuntu-addict: is it using debian's installer? if not, it's not anything to do with #debian`
`03:49.13`	`pipeline`	`pickcoder: how... unusual :P`
`03:49.21`	`jelly-home`	`rahul: even if it's using debian installer, one can never know what was changed.`
`03:49.38`	`rahul`	`jelly-home: I mean literally using debian's installer`
`03:49.48`	`pickcoder`	`pipeline: not really`
`03:49.55`	`rahul`	`jelly-home: just changing the default apt sources`
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`03:50.32`	`pickcoder`	`pipeline: you'd be surprised at the number of companies who still run Advanced Pick, but even more so Universe/UniData since IBM bought them`
`03:51.10`	`pipeline`	`pickcoder: Since it's doubtlessly a non-zero number, yes, I would be surprised :)`
`03:51.52`	`odla`	`lol Ubuntu-addict`
`03:53.18`	`pipeline`	`http://xkcd.com/c178.html`
`03:53.23`	`pickcoder`	`man this is a lot of work just for a stinking TV card driver`
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`03:54.56`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Go off that fastfood ;-) Eat realy food :-)`
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`03:55.29`	`itchi`	`Yeah, tuxtype is not yet installed on the laptop hehe`
`03:55.31`	`geo-rge`	`they're better with tartar sauce`
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`03:58.28`	`itchi`	`shit, have installed tuxtype, i have no more any excuse :-°`
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`04:01.04`	`kupesoft`	`The problem with open source software is idiots,`
`04:01.36`	`jelly-home`	`The problem with .* is idiots`
`04:01.43`	`pickcoder`	`s/open source//`
`04:01.47`	`SubStack`	`the problem with open source is the source`
`04:02.01`	`decollo0954`	`if it is written by an idiot`
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`04:02.10`	`itchi`	`!take the beer of kupesoft`
`04:02.18`	`itchi`	`and that will not work arararg`
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`04:11.51`	`gcbirzan`	`Don't you just love when trying to debug a problem produces another result?`
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`04:29.05`	`MrKeuner`	`hi, any applications that can be fed multiple URLs for the same file? So that it will download some part from each URL in order to increase download speed?`
`04:29.36`	`geo-rge`	`bittorrent?`
`04:29.52`	`itchi`	`Wooaaa, tuxtype is so fun near level 70`
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`04:30.54`	`itchi`	`MrKeuner: Will that not decrease the speed?`
`04:31.14`	`MrKeuner`	`itchi: No, why?`
`04:31.41`	`itchi`	`MrKeuner: Your bandwidth is splitted`
`04:32.39`	`itchi`	`MrKeuner: And you have once and again an call to fetch another one`
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`04:33.28`	`gcbirzan`	`Actually, it depends. If your connection is the one being the bottleneck, yes, but it's not something you'd notice (it's the new TCP connection, new HTTP connection overheads. and, hm, something even more hard to spot, increasing the load on the routers on your path). If their connection is the bottleneck, no. It will speed things up.`
`04:33.40`	`itchi`	`MrKeuner: If the remote host, limit bandwidth to each request, then maybe`
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`04:34.08`	`MrKeuner`	`itchi: think of my bandwidth as 100 and upload speed of each url as 5`
`04:34.44`	`itchi`	`100 Tere super bits?`
`04:35.40`	`itchi`	`MrKeuner: Or 100 feets??`
`04:35.52`	`MrKeuner`	`itchi: does it matter?`
`04:35.57`	`MrKeuner`	`units`
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`04:47.36`	`geo-rge`	`super bits and bits and bits and kibbles and bits`
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`05:00.08`	`minerale`	`Is there a command line based gnutella client (like limewire?)`
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`05:05.43`	`niru`	`hello all`
`05:05.43`	`Phr3x0r`	`Hi has anyone had experience with mkinitrd?`
`05:05.57`	`centrx`	`minerale apt-cache search gnutella`
`05:05.58`	`ivx`	`hey if i am going to get debian, out of the two on http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/, which one is newer`
`05:06.08`	`Phr3x0r`	`what am i doing wrong here? ---> mkinitrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-grsec 2.6.18-grsec`
`05:06.26`	`CompWizrd`	`ivx: one is dvd 1, other is dvd2?`
`05:06.40`	`centrx`	`ivx they are both the same date, the second dvd contains more software, you do not need it`
`05:06.44`	`ivx`	`compwizard so i need both of those two, and thats it then?`
`05:06.46`	`CompWizrd`	`either way, you probably don't need to download the entire dvd, a small netinst image would normally do`
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`05:06.54`	`centrx`	`ivx you don't need both`
`05:07.10`	`ivx`	`centrx, well which one should i get then?`
`05:07.23`	`centrx`	`ivx if you are installing debian on a computer right now you can just download a smaller cd`
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`05:07.37`	`centrx`	`ivx and then packages will install over the net selectively, whereas the dvd has a bunch of packages you won't use`
`05:08.16`	`ivx`	`centrx, well will the cd still have a desktop enviroment? what does debain ship with`
`05:08.19`	`niru`	`I created an installable cd`
`05:08.28`	`niru`	`The base packages are getting installed`
`05:08.46`	`niru`	`but the rest of the packages are not getting installed`
`05:09.00`	`niru`	`It is stopping at configuring the Package manager`
`05:09.12`	`niru`	`The process is not continuing to next step`
`05:09.20`	`niru`	`where is the mistake`
`05:09.43`	`ivx`	`so if i just get the dvd which one should i selec, compwizard, centrx`
`05:09.51`	`centrx`	`the first one`
`05:10.40`	`ivx`	`centrx, as of now, for a lamp, will it be benifical to run the 64 bit version? i'm not worried about video codecs`
`05:10.51`	`Guerin`	`ivx: no`
`05:11.02`	`Guerin`	`ivx: use 32-bit unless you have a compelling reason to do otherwise`
`05:11.16`	`ivx`	`guerin okay thanks`
`05:11.17`	`itchi`	`ivx: Have you an decent internet conection? If yes, take the netinst cd (+-150MB) and during the install, he download the rest of the internet. The amount depend of the software you gona install. Take near 600 MB that you gona download, if you install an desktop environment`
`05:12.29`	`ivx`	`itchi, i have a good connection, but i have plenty of hd so extra won't hurt`
`05:13.48`	`ivx`	`so what is the difference between the first and second one anyway?`
`05:13.57`	`itchi`	`ivx: Dual layer and not`
`05:14.01`	`geo-rge`	`ok... so I downloaded the etch`
`05:14.14`	`geo-rge`	`it seems to have succeeded`
`05:14.56`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: shock/horror`
`05:14.57`	`geo-rge`	`downloaded a gig... do I install it now?`
`05:15.17`	`itchi`	`ivx: hhhhmm, i had not look on the site there ^, had heard about dvd1 and dvd2, so drop may dual layer answer`
`05:15.37`	`Guerin`	`!tell geo-rge about ig`
`05:15.45`	`ivx`	`itchi, so i might need to get both to install`
`05:15.53`	`geo-rge`	`I know what to do`
`05:16.07`	`geo-rge`	`I just don't know whether to do it :)`
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`05:16.10`	`itchi`	`ivx: Yup, there are 14 CD's if you like that more :-)`
`05:16.43`	`ivx`	`itchi, what stinks is i am only getting about 20kbs`
`05:16.46`	`ivx`	`:(`
`05:17.00`	`itchi`	`ivx: Try on another mirror`
`05:17.34`	`ivx`	`itchi, can you drop me a link to another mirror`
`05:17.38`	`itchi`	`ivx: Or use the netinst :-) near +- 800 MB download (desktop environment installation included)`
`05:17.56`	`ivx`	`itchi, can you shoot me a link to that`
`05:18.33`	`itchi`	`ivx: Look on the website of Debian ;-) And choice an local mirror`
`05:18.42`	`ivx`	`okay`
`05:19.23`	`itchi`	`ivx: Mirror list is long and not know which one is the nearest to you`
`05:19.23`	`geo-rge`	`here we go`
`05:19.44`	`ivx`	`itchi well send me the mirror list`
`05:19.46`	`ivx`	`please`
`05:19.56`	`geo-rge`	`ivx: www.debian.org`
`05:20.04`	`geo-rge`	`it's in there`
`05:20.05`	`Guerin`	`!mirrors`
`05:20.05`	`dpkg`	`i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy>`
`05:20.12`	`itchi`	`ivx: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/`
`05:20.24`	`geo-rge`	`you don't need cds btw`
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`05:20.50`	`geo-rge`	`1590 bug reports to pull in`
`05:21.32`	`ivx`	`itchi, thanks`
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`05:21.51`	`itchi`	`ivx: no ;-)`
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`05:22.22`	`Farris1`	`anyone know of a good tool to concatenate two text files but remove duplicates?`
`05:22.28`	`Farris1`	`duplicate lines, that is`
`05:22.30`	`itchi`	`Farris1: cat`
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`05:22.36`	`Guerin`	`dpkg: uniq and cat`
`05:22.39`	`Guerin`	`bah`
`05:22.40`	`Guerin`	`Farris1:`
`05:22.43`	`ivx`	`oh itchi, should i get 3.1_r4?`
`05:22.50`	`itchi`	`ivx: Yes`
`05:22.52`	`geo-rge`	`Farris1: order of the lines matter?`
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`05:23.13`	`itchi`	`ivx: It's code name "Sarge".`
`05:23.49`	`Farris1`	`geo-rge: No, not at all`
`05:23.56`	`LoneWlf`	`so what's a good budget tool on the open source market?`
`05:24.00`	`Farris1`	`itchi: cat will weed out dups?`
`05:24.10`	`ivx`	`itchi, okay cool, i am going to try debian, ubuntu isn't working out, do i need all 4 files or just the 2 iso on ftp://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-dvd`
`05:24.33`	`Guerin`	`LoneWlf: huh?`
`05:24.49`	`LoneWlf`	`you know, like quicken, or an organizer or somesuch, help me organize ma bills`
`05:24.50`	`LoneWlf`	`lol`
`05:24.51`	`geo-rge`	`you want to cat them together (no, that won't undupify) then feed to sort so that dups will then be together, then feed to uniq to kill the dups`
`05:24.52`	`Farris1`	`Guerin: ?`
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`05:25.12`	`Guerin`	`Farris1: uniq and cat`
`05:25.13`	`Farris1`	`geo-rge: Ahh, killer`
`05:25.16`	`Farris1`	`thanks`
`05:25.30`	`geo-rge`	`Guerin: do'nt you need to sort?`
`05:25.34`	`pickcoder`	`!kmymoney2`
`05:25.40`	`itchi`	`ivx: The 'MD5SUMS' file, is to check that the cd content is been right, after you have download it. Yeah, take all`
`05:25.43`	`pickcoder`	`!kmymoney`
`05:25.48`	`pickcoder`	`gah`
`05:25.51`	`Guerin`	`geo-rge: depends if he wants to sort`
`05:26.15`	`geo-rge`	`well he says order doesn't matter,,, and uniq only works if dups are together`
`05:26.19`	`ivx`	`itchi, so what do i do with this file? put it on the dvd`
`05:26.48`	`Guerin`	`ok, i missed that but`
`05:26.52`	`itchi`	`ivx: Once you have downloaded the iso, files you need to check it that these are been right. You can check it with the program 'md5sum'`
`05:27.17`	`geo-rge`	`gotta buggy!`
`05:27.28`	`itchi`	`ivx: That 'MD5SUMS' have just 2 lines, look to it ;-)`
`05:27.47`	`ivx`	`okay itchi, i got ya, thanks much, i am getting 150kbs each now`
`05:27.56`	`itchi`	`ivx: Are you on MS Windows right now?`
`05:28.05`	`geo-rge`	`Farris1: you do want all pairs of identical lines to become one?`
`05:28.11`	`ivx`	`itchi, no ubuntu, i don't own windows`
`05:28.23`	`geo-rge`	`no matter if they're next to each other or not?`
`05:28.32`	`Farris1`	`geo-rge: yes`
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`05:28.57`	`Farris1`	`cat \| sort \| uniq worked`
`05:29.04`	`itchi`	`ivx: Okay, so md5sum you already have. To check the integrity after the iso's are downloaded. Or use k3b, he show you also the checksum`
`05:29.28`	`ivx`	`itchi, i am going to keep ubuntu on my notebook because i got my wifi card working, debain is going to go on the new lamp i am working on`
`05:29.36`	`geo-rge`	`Farris1: I gave you that particular solution so you could see the general process...]`
`05:29.39`	`geo-rge`	`but`
`05:29.52`	`itchi`	`ivx: You should get it working in Debian too ;-)`
`05:29.54`	`geo-rge`	`that can be appreviated to sort -u file1 file2`
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`05:30.41`	`ivx`	`itchi i'll tackel it soon. Ubuntu let me down. anyway it's late thanks and i'll ttyl`
`05:30.43`	`Farris1`	`geo-rge: DOH! :)`
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`05:31.28`	`itchi`	`ivx: Just try it on the notebook there when you have time and if you have some troubles, ask here ;-)`
`05:31.35`	`geo-rge`	`Farris1: what doh!??! you learned something :P`
`05:31.42`	`Softly`	`you tell me`
`05:32.57`	`Farris1`	`geo-rge: It wasn't a disapproving doh :)`
`05:33.11`	`Farris1`	`geo-rge: A wise teacher you are`
`05:33.17`	`ivx`	`itchi, i will in a few weeks, thanks, later`
`05:33.50`	`itchi`	`ivx: Your Welcome ;-)`
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`05:40.42`	`geo-rge`	`bb...`
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`05:43.17`	`geo-rge`	`had to start upgrade again, had to kill off kdm among others`
`05:43.38`	`niru`	`geo-rge:hello`
`05:43.42`	`geo-rge`	`good thing it cached the 1590 bug reports :P`
`05:45.00`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Use irssi inside of screen ;-)`
`05:46.34`	`geo-rge`	`niru: hi`
`05:47.14`	`geo-rge`	`why irssi in screen I should use?`
`05:47.40`	`dondelelcaro`	`geo-rge: 1) it stays running 2) it doesn't suck.`
`05:47.46`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: So that if you need to exit of X. It's still running.`
`05:48.13`	`geo-rge`	`x is dead at the moment... I killed it really deadly`
`05:48.58`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Take, you have an main computer, an laptop. Start irssi on the main computer. screen -S chat irssi Some 5minutes after, you move to the computer. ssh to the main computer screen -r chat. Or say, you want to see the same thing on both computers screen -x`
`05:49.21`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: An main computer and an laptop`
`05:49.40`	`geo-rge`	`anyway, if I'm not using X (kdm specifically), xscreensaver isn't running?`
`05:50.07`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: The power management shutdown the monitor after some time`
`05:50.23`	`geo-rge`	`my an laptop is up an set of stairs :)`
`05:50.38`	`Gnea`	`geo-rge: screen rocks. if X bottoms out, you can recover it.`
`05:50.42`	`geo-rge`	`nono, I mean xscreensaver :)`
`05:50.58`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: In the /bad/ way i told, you can leave your screen session running in the background, and reatach it on another computer, without deconnection of the irc`
`05:51.08`	`geo-rge`	`it didn't bottm out, I killed it dead for now :) ok, so it's just sleeping`
`05:51.34`	`Gnea`	`geo-rge: doesn't matter. if you had irssi running in screen, then irssi wouldn't die. :)`
`05:51.46`	`Gnea`	`by killing it dead, X bottomed out :P`
`05:51.47`	`geo-rge`	`aside from all that, I'm perfectly comfortable in console mode :)`
`05:52.09`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Look to my article about screen http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=105`
`05:52.14`	`geo-rge`	`but I can top in it after the upgrade :)`
`05:52.41`	`geo-rge`	`nonoNO, -please- gang... that's not what I'm asking :) all that part is fine :)`
`05:52.42`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: In console mode, you may _love_ screen`
`05:53.03`	`geo-rge`	`believe me, I love my screen...`
`05:53.16`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: 'screen' is an application`
`05:53.20`	`geo-rge`	`dell UltraSharp 2000FP :)`
`05:53.56`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: I'm ok for that part...`
`05:54.24`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: You need _screen_ :-) Or at least, can not life without screen, once you have learn it :-)`
`05:54.27`	`geo-rge`	`I just need to know whether xscreensaver was brought down (if it even exists) when x stopped`
`05:54.36`	`geo-rge`	`I know screen, believe me`
`05:54.39`	`geo-rge`	`I'm fine :)`
`05:55.21`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Is usefull to, to open multiple 'windows' in screen, so that you can start differents apps in on vt or tty`
`05:55.38`	`geo-rge`	`I stopped pg and kdm... xscreensaver is down as a result?`
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`05:55.54`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: you don't believe me :)`
`05:55.57`	`geo-rge`	`that's ok`
`05:56.06`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: It runs only in X xscreensaver`
`05:56.24`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: No, otherwise you had not need to disconnect you of the irc, haha`
`05:56.39`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: At least, you not use it right now :-p`
`05:56.55`	`geo-rge`	`so, I do: /etc/init.d/kdm stop and kdm, x and xscreensaver not in ps at all?`
`05:57.12`	`geo-rge`	`that's what I need at this moment :)`
`05:57.25`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: It should not, like it require X`
`05:57.37`	`geo-rge`	`ok, good enough...`
`05:58.21`	`geo-rge`	`continuing upgrade.`
`05:58.44`	`geo-rge`	`hmm, probably I have to rebuild daemontools...`
`05:59.19`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Kernel upgrade?`
`05:59.28`	`geo-rge`	`no, dist-upgrade to etch`
`05:59.45`	`geo-rge`	`I'm running a somewhat custom 2.6.18`
`05:59.48`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yup, that i had understand ;-) But is the kernel to be are upgraded?`
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`06:00.14`	`geo-rge`	`even if it does upgrade, grub remembers my 2.6.18`
`06:00.37`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yup, i wondered why you should rebuild deamontools`
`06:00.50`	`geo-rge`	`it might be linked against libc`
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`06:01.22`	`kenji`	`hola amigos, sigo con eso de python que les comente anoche`
`06:01.31`	`kenji`	`pero cuando le doy import libglade me dice: ImportError: No module named libglade`
`06:01.46`	`itchi`	`!es`
`06:01.47`	`dpkg`	`Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.`
`06:01.47`	`geo-rge`	`ok, this still work?`
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`06:01.51`	`geo-rge`	`!pt`
`06:01.51`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`06:02.21`	`geo-rge`	`so bitchx is statically linked?`
`06:02.32`	`itchi`	`kenji: You not have the module libglade`
`06:03.33`	`kenji`	`I have it, well emerge say ...`
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`06:03.48`	`kenji`	`Calculating dependencies... done!`
`06:03.48`	`kenji`	`[ebuild R ] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1 USE="-debug -doc" 310 kB`
`06:03.54`	`kenji`	`it say R not N :S`
`06:04.04`	`itchi`	`kenji: Look in the python's site-packages dir??`
`06:04.42`	`kenji`	`where is it?`
`06:05.24`	`itchi`	`kenji: Tryout dpkg -L foo`
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`06:07.19`	`LoneWlf`	`so there was a tool somewhere in debian that automagically downloaded the mirrors list for apt and then tested them and then set you to your fastest mirror`
`06:07.24`	`LoneWlf`	`anyone remember what that was?`
`06:07.27`	`LoneWlf`	`I'm drawing a blank`
`06:07.28`	`gcbirzan`	`apt-spy`
`06:07.45`	`LoneWlf`	`I think apt-spy will look, but it won't actually right the file for you`
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`06:08.22`	`minerale`	`I just installed a daemon that keeps crashing often, it's beta software, is there any premade script that checks to see if a daemon is running & starts it if not ?`
`06:08.26`	`itchi`	`kenji: There are some Python packages related to glade`
`06:09.06`	`Gnea`	`!apt-spy`
`06:09.06`	`dpkg`	`apt-spy is probably a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list`
`06:09.52`	`itchi`	`kenji: Are you sure about the existance of that module?`
`06:10.12`	`LoneWlf`	`stupid thing keeps segfaulting on me`
`06:10.14`	`LoneWlf`	`sighs`
`06:10.18`	`kenji`	`nop`
`06:10.23`	`kenji`	`:S`
`06:10.44`	`kenji`	`I wanna learn python whit gtk using glade but I can't find a working tutorial`
`06:11.15`	`itchi`	`kenji: Look to wxpython ;-)`
`06:11.21`	`kenji`	`because the tutorials that I find are old or have not working code`
`06:11.39`	`kenji`	`where can I get a updated tutorial to learn python whit glade?`
`06:12.14`	`pstickne`	`#python?`
`06:12.18`	`kenji`	`jajajaja`
`06:12.20`	`kenji`	`xD`
`06:12.34`	`kenji`	`you don't know a good tutorial ? =)`
`06:12.47`	`itchi`	`kenji: Wait`
`06:13.24`	`itchi`	`There is an package, after installing, he group some dev docs, there was an gtk tutorial too`
`06:13.36`	`pstickne`	`I don't use python (I like other, fairly similar, languages better)`
`06:14.25`	`geo-rge`	`kenji: learn python first, then figure out what extensions you're interested ig`
`06:14.28`	`geo-rge`	`in`
`06:14.42`	`geo-rge`	`I dopnm`
`06:14.53`	`geo-rge`	`I don't know python at all`
`06:15.05`	`geo-rge`	`but that won't stop me from teaching it :P`
`06:15.11`	`itchi`	`kenji: devhelp`
`06:15.33`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Try it out man, realy realy nice :-)`
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`06:18.16`	`geo-rge`	`I'm kinda waiting for perl, python and tcl to all run on top of parrot`
`06:18.31`	`litage`	`is there a command that will tell you whether a text file has dos or unix EOLs?`
`06:18.43`	`geo-rge`	`sure :)`
`06:18.46`	`itchi`	`litage: tr`
`06:19.06`	`itchi`	`But there's an better one`
`06:19.20`	`geo-rge`	`a hex editor or dump program will -tell- you`
`06:19.33`	`rahul`	`if it has a CR it's dos`
`06:19.38`	`litage`	`itchi: tr translates chars rather than says "this file has DOS EOLs" or "this file has UNIX EOLs"`
`06:19.39`	`rahul`	`(or Mac...)`
`06:19.57`	`itchi`	`litage: There are some tools to convert to/from DOS/unix`
`06:20.01`	`geo-rge`	`what's xoj`
`06:20.07`	`geo-rge`	`!info xoj`
`06:20.19`	`itchi`	`litage: If foo is drunken; bar would be not`
`06:20.23`	`geo-rge`	`!inf xoj`
`06:20.29`	`geo-rge`	`!find xoj`
`06:20.32`	`dpkg`	`hpoj-xojpanel: (HP OfficeJet Linux QT-based LCD panel display), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.91-10 (sid), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 176 kB`
`06:20.45`	`itchi`	`litage: With some bash, it does right`
`06:21.05`	`itchi`	`litage: Hold on`
`06:21.15`	`cahoot`	`you know you can /msg the bot geo-rge ?`
`06:22.16`	`itchi`	`litage: Look to the package tofrodos`
`06:24.28`	`geo-rge`	`allrightey then!! now the fun begins... I have to figure what packages to remove`
`06:24.49`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Why?`
`06:25.12`	`geo-rge`	`I had some old packages from probably potato or before`
`06:25.29`	`geo-rge`	`like: xserver-xfree86 vers 3.3.6`
`06:25.59`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: eeeuuhmm, looks strange that`
`06:26.15`	`geo-rge`	`yep`
`06:26.20`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Did you not upgrade for 5 years long?`
`06:26.26`	`geo-rge`	`no, I did`
`06:26.43`	`geo-rge`	`it just didn't remove everything from that era`
`06:27.03`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Did you use aptitude?`
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`06:27.27`	`itchi`	`But with apt it should be do it right`
`06:27.52`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Maybe you need to check the dpkg log`
`06:28.29`	`Azar`	`geo-rge: did you heard about debfoster?`
`06:28.35`	`geo-rge`	`no, I wasnt really ready to switch to aptitude and ttytt I'm still not :)`
`06:28.47`	`geo-rge`	`oh, yeah, I did hear about that`
`06:29.06`	`geo-rge`	`it's finally working tho`
`06:29.55`	`geo-rge`	`it's removing a LOT of packages right now`
`06:30.06`	`geo-rge`	`hope it remembers what to install :P`
`06:30.29`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Parse the dpkg log ;-)`
`06:31.58`	`geo-rge`	`I wonder if there's an lvm pv defragger`
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`06:32.33`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: pv??`
`06:32.39`	`Azar`	`damn! why did they put debsecan in testing and unstable only!`
`06:32.56`	`geo-rge`	`debsatan?`
`06:32.59`	`geo-rge`	`wha??`
`06:33.01`	`itchi`	`Azar: To hear you cry about it :-)`
`06:33.10`	`Azar`	`itchi: I guess so`
`06:33.17`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: familiar with lvm?`
`06:33.22`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: nope`
`06:33.29`	`Azar`	`that would be a good tool for a stable debian dammit`
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`06:33.46`	`geo-rge`	`just wait a month or six :)`
`06:34.01`	`itchi`	`Azar: hhhmm, gona look on my Etch box :-p`
`06:34.16`	`itchi`	`Azar: Is there not yet an backport of it?`
`06:34.34`	`Azar`	`itchi, it goes for Etch, not available in Sarge`
`06:34.48`	`Azar`	`was released on Dec 23 last year`
`06:34.50`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: you can group drives and partitions together and then create volumes on the group of drives`
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`06:35.12`	`geo-rge`	`these volumes can span drives that are in the group`
`06:35.32`	`geo-rge`	`one thing this allows is lvm on raid`
`06:35.56`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: I have no experience with it, heard how it does, but not yet have try it`
`06:36.06`	`geo-rge`	`and at that point you -could- have multiple raid arrays in the group`
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`06:36.32`	`rahul`	`you're usually better off raiding everything together`
`06:36.41`	`geo-rge`	`I use lvm like this...`
`06:36.48`	`rahul`	`unless it's a really hodgepoge collection`
`06:36.51`	`pmv`	`oh, lvm`
`06:36.55`	`pmv`	`lvm2?`
`06:37.02`	`Azar`	`well... now I guess it makes sense since the testing and unstable are more buggy..`
`06:37.08`	`rahul`	`you then use lvm over top of the whole raid`
`06:37.09`	`pmv`	`ever try using cryptdisk on it?`
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`06:37.20`	`pmv`	`Azar: sorry, for what purpose?`
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`06:37.37`	`Azar`	`but then again... since testing and unstable don't get security updates.. what is the purpose?`
`06:37.47`	`Azar`	`pmv: http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/`
`06:37.58`	`simonrvn`	`sid doesn't get updates like that because it is updated everyday`
`06:38.10`	`pmv`	`hehe`
`06:38.12`	`pmv`	`true that`
`06:38.18`	`simonrvn`	`so it's inaccurate to say sid doesn't get them`
`06:38.22`	`Azar`	`simonrvn: with security packages?`
`06:38.24`	`geo-rge`	`I put usually 3 physical partitions on a drive,,, two fairly small ones (for swap and /, sometimes one more partition for /boot) and the last -big- (100g and up) for lvm`
`06:38.26`	`itchi`	`Azar: Maybe you can analyze the content of the debsecan package and rebuild it for Sarge??`
`06:38.40`	`pmv`	`:-)`
`06:38.44`	`simonrvn`	`it may get them later, or earlier, depending`
`06:38.47`	`pmv`	`the beauty of open source`
`06:38.53`	`pmv`	`if it's not there, you can build it yourself`
`06:39.01`	`Azar`	`itchi: I am not a pro, and I won't push packages that don't belong to Sarge...`
`06:39.20`	`simonrvn`	`/msg dpkg simple sid backport`
`06:39.32`	`itchi`	`Azar: Yup, just try to make an backport, it's realy not so complicated to build an package, you will see`
`06:39.35`	`pmv`	`backport it`
`06:39.37`	`Azar`	`but I guess would be nice to see it officially set on the next stable release...`
`06:39.52`	`pmv`	`and very few are actually "pros"`
`06:40.03`	`itchi`	`Azar: Once you know how you need to do it, you will find it peace of cake ;-)`
`06:40.10`	`Azar`	`itchi: I know about backports only confused on how to get that to work`
`06:40.32`	`itchi`	`Azar: It's not yet backported right now, if i have look right`
`06:40.42`	`cableroy`	`apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade kernel, how can i stop apt from doing that?`
`06:40.55`	`itchi`	`cableroy: Why not?`
`06:41.14`	`Azar`	`cableroy: its just a security update to the kernel you should get it`
`06:41.42`	`geo-rge`	`then I put separate /home, /usr, /usr/src, /usr/local, /var and a coupla others into the lvm with the idea that when I'm ready to grow them I can do it`
`06:41.52`	`geo-rge`	`without repartitioning`
`06:42.16`	`itchi`	`Azar: The content of that package is realy not big, so to see, the depends are so minim to, it will be an easy job i think`
`06:42.29`	`geo-rge`	`this partitioning scheme tries to reduce the possibility I fill /`
`06:42.39`	`itchi`	`Azar: Do not give it up ;-) Do it for you`
`06:42.45`	`pmv`	`haha`
`06:42.57`	`cableroy`	`i don't want to upgrade those on a production server and because i run 2.6.18.2 non debian and it want to downgrade to 2.4 kernel`
`06:42.58`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: follow so far?`
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`06:43.12`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Not your part, soryy :-°`
`06:43.13`	`Azar`	`itchi: it is only a couple of months to the official new stable release, so I guess I can wait for it :)`
`06:43.46`	`geo-rge`	`if you're interested, (1) please say so now and (2) could you go read your scrollback`
`06:43.47`	`itchi`	`Azar: Just try it?? Say, next week-end?? ;-)`
`06:43.52`	`Azar`	`cableroy: why? 2.4 will soon be dropped`
`06:44.14`	`geo-rge`	`if you're not interested, please say so now :P`
`06:44.23`	`Azar`	`itchi: maybe on my testing box, this is the only pc still running ..`
`06:44.32`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Not that, just that i have not understand it right`
`06:44.32`	`geo-rge`	`and with it oss sound drivers`
`06:44.42`	`cableroy`	`Azar what? i say i don't want to run the 2.4, i run own 2.6 now, but how can i remove the kernels from apt-get upgrade?`
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`06:45.03`	`simonrvn`	`remove them`
`06:45.18`	`Azar`	`ahh "it want to" downgrade.. strange`
`06:45.19`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: well just tell me if you're interested in hearing this... I don't wanna talk into the wind :P`
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`06:46.00`	`geo-rge`	`so far I gave a short and incomplete survey of possible uses`
`06:46.09`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yeah, i have find an line more above, had not scroll enougth`
`06:46.18`	`cableroy`	`there must be a command to say no no for 2.4 kernel? brb coffee`
`06:47.02`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: But i dunno how it works, never try it, i can not give you any support of it`
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`06:47.28`	`Azar`	`what if you use "aptitude update/upgrade" instead? aptitude might not suggest such a terrible thing`
`06:48.04`	`Azar`	`honestly, I never imagine a package manager like apt offering a lower kernel than the one currently running?`
`06:48.16`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: I need to test it out on an testbox, testing will be power on the light`
`06:48.48`	`orestyle5`	`I am compiling a new kernel (linux-2.6.8.19) and it seems pretty slow. The system is on a RAID 5 and RAID 1 for the /boot`
`06:48.52`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: if you want I'll give you the underlying basics now`
`06:48.56`	`itchi`	`Azar: Also not yet have see that`
`06:49.06`	`orestyle5`	`do kernels usually take awhile?`
`06:49.10`	`geo-rge`	`yep`
`06:49.14`	`geo-rge`	`sure do`
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`06:49.37`	`geo-rge`	`one time I compiled a kernel on a 386-sx...`
`06:49.41`	`geo-rge`	`took 24 hours`
`06:49.43`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yeah, will be interesting. But i should to read the stuff about it too hehe, and i'm so lazy :-p`
`06:49.44`	`rahul`	`Azar: it will suggest that if you set priorities appropriately`
`06:49.46`	`Azar`	`what the guy say is confusing: he runs 2.6.18 kernel, does an apt-get upgrade and he is offered to "upgrade" the kernels to a 2.4.x ?`
`06:50.13`	`orestyle5`	`this system is a dual processor w/4 gig ram. I figured it would be relatively quick`
`06:50.18`	`rahul`	`did he install the kernel with dpkg?`
`06:50.34`	`itchi`	`It's an custom??`
`06:50.36`	`rahul`	`orestyle5: compiling C is very slow`
`06:50.41`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: ok, here goes... if you want to use lvm, you need to give it some disk space... you can do that by giving it partitions`
`06:50.45`	`rahul`	`orestyle5: very disk-intensive`
`06:50.55`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: During the install?`
`06:50.58`	`Guerin`	`!rahul`
`06:50.58`	`dpkg`	`Rahul's ass site is at http://linux.rice.edu/~rahul/ You can find XF86Configs for XFree4 using DRI on voodoo3 as well as Xinerama there. rah0000`
`06:51.03`	`rahul`	`heh`
`06:51.08`	`rahul`	`wow that's old`
`06:51.08`	`geo-rge`	`that too, yes... but after install is possible too`
`06:51.09`	`Guerin`	`hm, there used to be something else there`
`06:51.10`	`Azar`	`< cableroy> apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade kernel, how can i stop apt from doing that?`
`06:51.12`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: You can setup that during the install, i meaned?`
`06:51.13`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.16`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.18`	`rahul`	`Guerin: there was all KINDS of stuff there`
`06:51.19`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.19`	`orestyle5`	`I would have liked to have a software raid instead of the HW raid, but not able to on system. So now i'm at the mercy of the hw`
`06:51.22`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.22`	`Azar`	`< cableroy> i don't want to upgrade those on a production server and because i run 2.6.18.2`
`06:51.25`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.28`	`Azar`	`< cableroy> i don't want to upgrade those on a production server and because i run 2.6.18.2`
`06:51.30`	`Guerin`	`rahul: most of it was a bit rude, iirc`
`06:51.31`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.33`	`Azar`	`< cableroy> i don't want to upgrade those on a production server and because i run 2.6.18.2`
`06:51.36`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.37`	`geo-rge`	`azar...`
`06:51.39`	`Azar`	`< cableroy> i don't want to upgrade those on a production server and because i run 2.6.18.2`
`06:51.40`	`rahul`	`Guerin: that's me`
`06:51.42`	`Azar`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:51.44`	`Azar`	`sorry`
`06:51.47`	`Azar`	`I lost my screen`
`06:51.52`	`Azar`	`for a second..`
`06:52.03`	`rahul`	`I lost my pants`
`06:52.16`	`Azar`	`I feel so ashamed..`
`06:52.17`	`rahul`	`for more than a second...`
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`06:52.31`	`Azar`	`I was trying to get the screen back that why so much paste`
`06:52.33`	`rahul`	`yeah, how do you think I felt when I lost my pants`
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`06:52.43`	`geo-rge`	`cold!`
`06:52.47`	`rahul`	`heh`
`06:52.49`	`Guerin`	`rahul: pants are superfluous for all but the most formal of occasions`
`06:52.53`	`rahul`	`haha`
`06:52.56`	`helmii`	`hi how to configure my postfix to send an EHLO instead of an HELO to my exchange. The postfix server works as an relay and i need to configure that the postfix sends and EHLO to the exchange when it forwards mails. I want to change this because since the postfix update from 2.1 to 2.3 i have strange problems when a mail will be forwarded to an external acc. Error message smtp;554 5.6.1 Body type not supported by Remote Host`
`06:53.11`	`rahul`	`Guerin: I have a friend who thinks that`
`06:53.16`	`Guerin`	`helmii: i think my postfix sends EHLO by default`
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`06:53.18`	`rahul`	`actually, he's completely against pants`
`06:53.31`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: these partitions that you give to lvm get partition type 8E`
`06:53.33`	`orestyle5`	`for backups, has anyone had any luck with duplicity? If not I am looking for a program like rsync that is small and just works. But would like it to do full and differential`
`06:53.41`	`Guerin`	`when in asia, I took to wearing a sarong`
`06:53.43`	`rahul`	`he's thinking of running for governor of Jersey City on the platform, No Pants, No Pennies, No Problem!`
`06:53.46`	`geo-rge`	`and these are called LVM Physical Volumes`
`06:53.46`	`Azar`	`warm greetings honorable Guerin`
`06:53.53`	`Guerin`	`it's all good if you can make sure it won't fall off`
`06:53.55`	`rahul`	`Guerin: yeah, those are nice in that weather :)`
`06:53.56`	`geo-rge`	`so far so good?`
`06:54.03`	`rahul`	`hah yeah`
`06:54.06`	`Guerin`	`Azar: a gracious hello to you`
`06:54.15`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Sure`
`06:54.34`	`rahul`	`Guerin: but your nick is not familiar... were you known by something else before?`
`06:54.43`	`rahul`	`!penixstrike`
`06:54.43`	`dpkg`	`A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.`
`06:54.46`	`rahul`	`!!`
`06:54.47`	`dpkg`	`I am not your damn csh prompt!`
`06:54.49`	`Guerin`	`in Laos, women can get completely undressed, wash their entire bodies, hair, and clothing in a river, without shoring any skin between knee and shoulder - using just a sarong`
`06:55.06`	`rahul`	`yep`
`06:55.14`	`geo-rge`	`ok,,, once you decide on the partitions you want to be physical volumes, you do "vgcreate /dev/hda2" or something on each one`
`06:55.19`	`Guerin`	`rahul: no, but I think I arrived just before you went on some hiatus for years`
`06:55.22`	`rahul`	`ah`
`06:55.30`	`Guerin`	`2003ish?`
`06:55.35`	`geo-rge`	`wait, no, sorry, mistake :)`
`06:55.39`	`rahul`	`you just felt the aftershocks of my penixstrikes`
`06:55.53`	`Guerin`	`is that what that squelch was?`
`06:56.04`	`rahul`	`heh`
`06:56.07`	`geo-rge`	`ok,,, once you decide on the partitions you want to be physical volumes, you do " NOT vgcreate BUT pvcreate /dev/hda2" or something on each one`
`06:56.27`	`rahul`	`the channel was violently squelching for months after my departure, I'm sure`
`06:56.27`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: hehe`
`06:57.23`	`geo-rge`	`when you want to refer to physical volumes, you simply refer to them by their /dev/hdnames`
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`06:57.52`	`Guerin`	`rahul: hasn't been around for ages`
`06:58.00`	`Guerin`	`i think he runs kfreebsd now`
`06:58.03`	`rahul`	`damn it. leaves' eyes is NOT like 12 stones`
`06:58.11`	`rahul`	`haha, no surprise there`
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`06:58.33`	`geo-rge`	`you have to group the physical volumes into "LVM Volume Groups"`
`06:58.34`	`rahul`	`I don't think he ran debian for years while he was here anyway`
`06:58.41`	`rahul`	`he was just the channel Penix`
`06:58.51`	`Guerin`	`around for the scintillating conversation`
`06:59.01`	`rahul`	`heh`
`06:59.10`	`geo-rge`	`so you'd do that by creating groups and putting the physical volumes into the groups`
`06:59.16`	`rahul`	`hey, this song isn't half bad`
`06:59.31`	`geo-rge`	`it isn't half good either? :)`
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`06:59.37`	`rahul`	`eh, it might be`
`06:59.41`	`rahul`	`:)`
`06:59.44`	`geo-rge`	`oh, ok :)`
`07:00.08`	`Guerin`	`why are all the stock citation modes for bibtex so shitty?`
`07:00.09`	`rahul`	`not gonna give it a thumbs up yet, tho`
`07:00.15`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: the volume groups get names that you decide`
`07:00.19`	`rahul`	`Guerin: worked for me`
`07:00.29`	`rahul`	`Guerin: what kind of crazy format do you want?`
`07:00.30`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Looks a bit strange about that part too`
`07:00.36`	`Guerin`	`none of them match my prof's requirements`
`07:00.44`	`geo-rge`	`but it allows lots of weird and cool things`
`07:00.45`	`rahul`	`Guerin: then your prof is a looney`
`07:00.48`	`geo-rge`	`for example`
`07:01.04`	`Guerin`	`which seem to be comething related to chicago, but it's a polly sigh dept, so they don't provide a stock bibtex style`
`07:01.06`	`geo-rge`	`your /etc/fstab now does not need to refer to a specific drive`
`07:01.22`	`rahul`	`"related to" lovely`
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`07:01.39`	`geo-rge`	`it refers to the volume group by name`
`07:02.03`	`geo-rge`	`like this usually: /dev/myfirstgroup`
`07:02.04`	`rahul`	`damn. it. why can't devola and the outside submit their albums to pandora so the damn thing has some good hardcore?`
`07:02.09`	`itchi`	`blijblijblij: Alles goeds? Heb je nog niet op #debian-nl ontmoet`
`07:02.10`	`geo-rge`	`so...`
`07:02.30`	`rahul`	`oh right. they're too busy getting drunk :P`
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`07:02.56`	`rahul`	`you know what sucked, I partied with them all night and didn't really get drunk`
`07:02.59`	`zzto`	`hi`
`07:03.11`	`rahul`	`just had 6 beers or some crap.`
`07:03.21`	`rahul`	`ho`
`07:03.35`	`Azar`	`early holliday party`
`07:03.35`	`rahul`	`yes`
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`07:03.39`	`rahul`	`actually, I have two holiday parties this weekend`
`07:03.40`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: That lvm looks not yet so easy to manage`
`07:04.06`	`LoneWlf`	`ok, this is something I don't understand, why in the world does hotplug want to remove linux-image-2.6.17-2-686? and initramfs-tools?`
`07:04.06`	`rahul`	`one for my apartment building and one by my former manager`
`07:04.16`	`geo-rge`	`you can back up your drive onto another, and copying one lvm pv can be either part of a larger group of pvs (physical volumes) or (like I do right now) you can have one volume group per physical volume`
`07:04.21`	`geo-rge`	`for example`
`07:04.22`	`LoneWlf`	`I'm thinking they conflict somehow, but...`
`07:04.23`	`Guerin`	`my wife objected to the boring work christmas do so much she emailed everyone on the floor and invited them to a pub crawl`
`07:04.33`	`rahul`	`LoneWlf: aptitude gives the reasons`
`07:04.39`	`Guerin`	`everyone except the social club committee is coming :)`
`07:04.49`	`rahul`	`Guerin: sweet`
`07:05.14`	`gcbirzan`	`LoneWlf: Because inintramfs will break your initrd anyway :-P`
`07:05.17`	`geo-rge`	`I have a samsung 250g drive with a 100g physical volume, and it's the only physical volume I have, and I have it in one group that I call samsung-drive`
`07:05.18`	`rahul`	`although all companies I've been with have rocking holiday parties`
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`07:05.59`	`rahul`	`ok, it's often the afterparty that's rocking, but hey, we're trying to eat at the official party :)`
`07:06.00`	`LoneWlf`	`rahul: where?`
`07:06.22`	`rahul`	`LoneWlf: in the lower pane, I think...`
`07:06.24`	`LoneWlf`	`gcbirzan, I'm already running the newer kernel... is hotplug not the way to go with the newer deally?`
`07:06.36`	`LoneWlf`	`lower pane? I'm on cmd line`
`07:06.38`	`rahul`	`at least you can go into the details`
`07:06.40`	`rahul`	`well, then`
`07:06.43`	`geo-rge`	`but one thing that this allows you to do... is for example take 5 250g drives, cover each drive with one physical volume, and group them all together`
`07:07.00`	`rahul`	`cmd line is for when you don't need the interaction`
`07:07.03`	`geo-rge`	`this would allow you to have partitions larger than one drive`
`07:07.22`	`Azar`	`hey apt-listbugs might be a good alternative tool to debsecan`
`07:07.32`	`geo-rge`	`well, they're not called "partitions"... but I'm getting a little ahead of myself`
`07:07.38`	`rahul`	`geo-rge: so does raid, and with out sacrificing reliability to the dogs`
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`07:07.42`	`Azar`	`even better, it acts preventive`
`07:07.56`	`itchi`	`LoneWlf: Wich release have you?`
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`07:08.02`	`gcbirzan`	`LoneWlf: I would've thought udev is. But, my gripe is against initramfs-tools. (#401764 :-P)`
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`07:08.08`	`rahul`	`geo-rge: lvm without raid underneath is the same reliability as raid 0`
`07:08.09`	`cableroy`	`Azar what command can i run to not include kernel on a upgrade?`
`07:08.15`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: so far so good?`
`07:08.22`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yeah, looks like it's an ideal tool t confuse ;-)`
`07:08.56`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yeah, following, with the LVM howto at the same time ;-)`
`07:08.58`	`rahul`	`cableroy: hit "h" on the package in aptitude`
`07:09.02`	`niru`	`geo_rge:What I need to do for booting my debian os through USB disk`
`07:09.20`	`cableroy`	`rahul not useing aptitude, command line`
`07:09.28`	`rahul`	`sigh`
`07:09.40`	`rahul`	`cableroy: wouldn't help because you don't "really" have a kernel`
`07:09.43`	`geo-rge`	`ok... so, now that we have physical volumes (pvs) and volume groups (vgs), now we can make "LVM Logical Volumes" in the volume groups`
`07:10.01`	`Azar`	`cableroy: -ignore-hold I guess but I need to doublecheck with others.. not sure`
`07:10.01`	`itchi`	`cableroy: Maybe, simply, hit the ? key`
`07:10.04`	`geo-rge`	`rahul: but what about lvm on one drive?`
`07:10.11`	`geo-rge`	`which is what I generally do`
`07:10.16`	`rahul`	`even though that's easier to create than compiling manually`
`07:10.16`	`cableroy`	`itchi still not running aptitude`
`07:10.24`	`Azar`	`cableroy: no.. that ignore-hold is not correct`
`07:10.29`	`rahul`	`geo-rge: well, then it's the same. but you can't get a partition larger than the disk :)`
`07:10.43`	`rahul`	`geo-rge: and yes, it's as reliable as raid 0 on that one disk :P`
`07:11.09`	`rahul`	`hmm, Default seems to be to be a bad version of the X's.`
`07:11.31`	`rahul`	`well, it's a good thing the lead singer of Fuel left to become a bassist :)`
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`07:12.36`	`geo-rge`	`rahul: oh, ok... but really hardware raid or raid on 3ware will get you the real reliability... yes?`
`07:12.49`	`geo-rge`	`if you're going to do multiple drives`
`07:13.03`	`rahul`	`or software raid`
`07:13.06`	`rahul`	`but yeah`
`07:13.11`	`geo-rge`	`isn't that crap tho?`
`07:13.14`	`rahul`	`yes :)`
`07:13.22`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: It take cpu usage`
`07:13.33`	`rahul`	`itchi: not much if it's 1+0`
`07:13.42`	`geo-rge`	`software raid does, yes?`
`07:13.51`	`rahul`	`raid 5 does`
`07:13.59`	`itchi`	`rahul: Yeah, depend of the box, maybe need to test the performances on an P1 hehe`
`07:14.12`	`peterS`	`rah00!`
`07:14.20`	`Azar`	`cableroy: more likely the packages you get with the upgrade depend on the kernel upgrade as well, so more likely if you do not want it, do not upgrade`
`07:14.21`	`rahul`	`meeeeee!`
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`07:14.42`	`Azar`	`everything happens for a reason`
`07:14.43`	`rahul`	`I can't wait to see the X's live again on the 16th`
`07:14.58`	`peterS`	`rahul: and here I was just discussing your favorite subject on another channel ... scheme!`
`07:15.14`	`rahul`	`three rock stars each one over 6 foot all standing up in the front of a stage`
`07:15.17`	`cableroy`	`Azar but there are other packages i want to upgrade, and i want to keep computer up to date`
`07:15.17`	`rahul`	`peterS: eek`
`07:15.24`	`geo-rge`	`ok, in any case, raid or not, you have some volume groups (each having a name) and some physical volumes in them`
`07:15.28`	`peterS`	`rahul: fortunately I don't know anything about it.`
`07:15.33`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: once you have that...`
`07:15.42`	`rahul`	`peterS: the less I know about scheme, the better I feel`
`07:16.01`	`niru`	`can I get installable usbdisk creation procedure for debian`
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`07:16.12`	`rahul`	`peterS: the only thing it has that's interesting is call/cc and that just breaks stuff I use all the time`
`07:16.19`	`geo-rge`	`you can create a "Logical Volume" inside a volume group...`
`07:16.39`	`geo-rge`	`you give that a name too, you can make more of them, give them names...`
`07:16.40`	`Azar`	`cableroy: the apt is most likely 99% right. It is giving you exactly what the system needs.`
`07:16.40`	`peterS`	`rahul: apparently the guile implementation isn't very happy mixing with C code that uses pthreads. this is what I have learned tonight.`
`07:16.42`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: I need to put that once in practice, will be much more clear, looks always so strange when we did it not`
`07:16.53`	`rahul`	`peterS: guile! HAHA`
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`07:17.05`	`Azar`	`cableroy: I do not believe that apt will force on you a 2.4 kernel "upgrade" when you are using a 2.6.18`
`07:17.21`	`rahul`	`Azar: it's not`
`07:17.27`	`geo-rge`	`once I summarize, you'll at least understand my setup...`
`07:17.30`	`rahul`	`Azar: he doesn't realize that apt doesn't know what he doesn't tell it`
`07:18.01`	`rahul`	`might as well complain that dpkg is broken after you rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg`
`07:18.02`	`cableroy`	`Azar upgrade tells to upgrade: tar,info,ssh,texinfo non of them require 2.4 kernel`
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`07:18.11`	`Azar`	`woow`
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`07:18.35`	`Azar`	`who gives you a 2.4 kernel? apt?`
`07:18.41`	`cableroy`	`yes`
`07:18.46`	`geo-rge`	`I created on my volume group called samsung-drive (which has the 100g physical volume in it), logical volumes called: home, usr, usrsrc, usrlocal, var`
`07:18.54`	`rahul`	`because it's newer than the other kernel apt has installed.`
`07:18.57`	`cableroy`	`and i think its because of ultramonkey, but i do not want to run any other kernel`
`07:19.22`	`Azar`	`cableroy: so what kernel are you presently using? a 2.2 ?`
`07:19.45`	`rahul`	`he is using 2.6, but he's keeping it a secret from apt`
`07:19.55`	`zaphands`	`How can I change the settings so the messages won't appear on tty1 but on another console? how can I have more consoles? I don't know if I'm using the right terms. I mean that I don't want to see messages on ctrl+alt+f1, but on ctrl+alt+12.`
`07:19.55`	`Azar`	`ahhhh :) nice`
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`07:20.01`	`geo-rge`	`the way you refer to the logical volumes (which you format and mount) is /dev/vgname/lvname...`
`07:20.14`	`cableroy`	`Azar 2.6.18.2`
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`07:20.20`	`geo-rge`	`so, my home volume is /dev/samsung-drive/home`
`07:20.28`	`Azar`	`rahul: so is like he donwloaded and compiled the 2.6.18 without apt knowing it`
`07:20.34`	`rahul`	`Azar: yes`
`07:20.43`	`rahul`	`and now he's confused that he confused apt`
`07:21.05`	`Azar`	`cableroy: here is your punishment now: all apt will upgrade for you will be like "three years ago" packages`
`07:22.00`	`Azar`	`kidding, it can be worked out but it involves that you put apt to install the 2.6.18 for you again`
`07:22.00`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: that part understood ok?`
`07:22.03`	`rahul`	`might as well put a windows CD in the drive and complain that it's not installing linux`
`07:22.06`	`cableroy`	`ya, is that because i run stable? i'm not good with debian yet`
`07:22.17`	`rahul`	`cableroy: no, it's because you bypass apt`
`07:22.20`	`rahul`	`!make-kpkg`
`07:22.20`	`dpkg`	`make-kpkg is probably the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra>`
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`07:22.32`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yup yup`
`07:23.04`	`Azar`	`cableroy: apt is the ONLY tool that will ever install for you anything in stable. You decide to circumvent it, and it will hurt you one day ... like today`
`07:23.41`	`geo-rge`	`and if I'm making a new /home I might mkfs -t ext3 /dev/samsung-drive/home`
`07:24.01`	`Azar`	`cableroy: you CAN install a 2.6.18 kernel with apt in stable`
`07:24.18`	`geo-rge`	`mount /dev/samsung-drive/home /mnt`
`07:24.27`	`geo-rge`	`copy stuff to it, unmount`
`07:24.29`	`Azar`	`liable and stew told me is possible, I never tried tho`
`07:24.47`	`cableroy`	`Azar yes but i think this kernel i verry custom, cause the server run ocfs2 and other things`
`07:25.18`	`itchi`	`!sarge 2.6.18`
`07:25.18`	`dpkg`	`i heard sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm`
`07:25.35`	`Azar`	`cableroy: if you want to use apt for installations/upgrades you have to "let it know" the kernel you are using and thus, by using apt to install it`
`07:26.29`	`cableroy`	`Azar yes, i'm gonna do it, i read about it now but i'm afraid to ruin the kernel`
`07:26.30`	`geo-rge`	`then my fstab line would be something like /dev/samsung-drive/home /home ext3 defaults 1 2`
`07:26.45`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: I understand it a bit better, ... when you add some new disks to the computer. A bit lesser headaches to avoid loosing space`
`07:27.04`	`Azar`	`apt will not upgrade packages for a kernel he does not know about, it will invite you to install for the kernel it knows was installed the "apt way"`
`07:27.36`	`geo-rge`	`yes, and you can resize vols easily without partitioning... I'm only into my pv maybe 20g... so I have a LOT of room to grow`
`07:27.40`	`Azar`	`cableroy: you could make a backup of your settings and maybe fix after you install the new kernel with apt`
`07:28.16`	`cableroy`	`Azar so when i run xen and a domU how can i do it the apt way then?`
`07:28.30`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Thanks for this long intro ;-)`
`07:28.47`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yeah, i should need to test it, hhhmm`
`07:28.49`	`Azar`	`cableroy: maybe using backports to get what you want?`
`07:29.13`	`helmii`	`hi how to configure my postfix to send an EHLO instead of an HELO to my exchange`
`07:29.16`	`geo-rge`	`itchi: should make wading through it a little easier`
`07:29.38`	`geo-rge`	`anyways, that's the whole intro`
`07:30.36`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: I should need to buy an cheap test box, will be easy so`
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`07:35.23`	`Azar`	`cableroy: if you like you can read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html to be more informed about apt`
`07:35.31`	`geo-rge`	`or get someone to give you some old pisacrap box :)`
`07:35.45`	`Phr3x0r`	`Hi, can anyone help me with the mkinitrd command?`
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`07:36.31`	`Phr3x0r`	`are there any options i need to add to this command? --> mkinitrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-grsec 2.6.18-grsec`
`07:36.35`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: I have to many old stuff here haha`
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`07:37.10`	`geo-rge`	`ohh, then maybe you already have forexample a spare drive you can use to install onto`
`07:37.42`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yup, still new too, for the little server :-)`
`07:38.28`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: I not like to say it, have 9 boxes here, 3 decents and other are older stuff (probably no more used by people)`
`07:38.53`	`geo-rge`	`wellthen... you could take one of those out of service :)`
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`07:39.12`	`geo-rge`	`bbiaw, store`
`07:39.31`	`peterS`	`Phr3x0r: the simple way to use mkinitrd is 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-whatever' - for the kernel package you've installed and are interested in booting`
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`07:39.56`	`peterS`	`Phr3x0r: that is, it runs mkinitrd correctly at package install time and that's how you can rerun it (for example if you've upgraded your initrd generation tool)`
`07:40.16`	`Nigromante`	`Hello, how can I avoid a sudo user to modify /etc/sudoers ?`
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`07:40.31`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Yeah, i can take one here, need to replace the RAM, is an 500MHz, will be more as enought`
`07:40.55`	`Phr3x0r`	`i've already compiled the kernel though, just need to make an initrd image and add it to the GRUB menu.lst file`
`07:41.12`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Other comps are still used, others is just for fun at sunday, like these P1 i still not trash`
`07:41.42`	`peterS`	`Phr3x0r: if you used the 'kernel-package' utility (the 'make-kpkg' program), you wouldn't have to be worrying about any of this - either initrd generation or menu.lst editing`
`07:41.43`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: remove his rights to that directory/file?`
`07:42.05`	`Phr3x0r`	`oh well, i'll do that next time`
`07:42.21`	`Nigromante`	`Azar, I mean, avoid: sudo joe /etc/sudoers for example`
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`07:44.21`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: I am not sure what you mean`
`07:44.57`	`Nigromante`	`for example, I have in /etc/sudoers a line like this:`
`07:45.41`	`Nigromante`	`myuser ALL = (root) ALL, !EXCLUSIVE_ROOT_CMDS`
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`07:46.04`	`Nigromante`	`and EXCLUSIVE_ROOT_CMDS are commands allowed only to root`
`07:46.08`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: you mean that a user uses sudo to access the file and modify it?`
`07:46.15`	`Nigromante`	`yes`
`07:46.43`	`Nigromante`	`I want to avoid write access to sudo users`
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`07:47.38`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: the few I know you can restrict access to a file to be use by root only meaning write only, read only, execute only. If you remove rwx for the group/others, will be only the person who uses root able to access it`
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`07:48.04`	`buu`	`Azar: Yes, but sudo makes you root..`
`07:48.10`	`buu`	`You see a problem here.`
`07:48.54`	`Nigromante`	`The only way I have figured out is to restrict all edit commands... but that's not practical`
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`07:51.06`	`Nigromante`	`I will search for bugs in sudo`
`07:51.30`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: read starting chapter 4.4.1 maybe you can figure it out: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices`
`07:51.44`	`Nigromante`	`ok, thank you`
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`07:54.44`	`Azar`	`hmm ! means NOT.. so !EXCLUSIVE_ROOT_CMDS means....`
`07:55.17`	`Nigromante`	`you are not allowed to run commands defined in that alias, as root`
`07:55.59`	`Nigromante`	`I defined above an alias like this:`
`07:56.16`	`Azar`	`well I guess you could restrict acces to that file to all BUT root`
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`07:57.09`	`Nigromante`	`funny thing: /etc/sudoers has only read permissions for root`
`07:57.19`	`Nigromante`	`but, you now, root is god`
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`07:58.12`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: what if you put all your user in a group.. or groups each with its own rights?`
`07:58.27`	`mesut`	`hi,how do i put 2 refresh buttons on firefox2's toolbar ?`
`07:58.37`	`Azar`	`you can deny/allow a group access to parts of the system, or packages only`
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`07:58.52`	`Azar`	`mesut: we don't do firefox here`
`07:59.05`	`fireba11`	`mesut: also, wth would anyone want to do that`
`07:59.06`	`Nigromante`	`mmmm, Azar: perhaps the problem is here:`
`07:59.29`	`Nigromante`	`myuser ALL = (root) ....`
`07:59.42`	`Nigromante`	`but, not...`
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`08:00.01`	`Nigromante`	`sudo is meant to impersonate root, isn't it?`
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`08:00.16`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: if a sudo user has access and rights to modify that file, they will change its content`
`08:00.23`	`Nigromante`	`yes`
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`08:00.29`	`gcbirzan`	`The only way (I know of) is to only let them run certain commands.`
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`08:00.57`	`Nigromante`	`ok, just a restrictive policy you mean gcbirzan ?`
`08:00.57`	`Azar`	`so the pointis: get that file protected from "all" but root`
`08:01.08`	`Nigromante`	`yes Azar`
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`08:01.29`	`Nigromante`	`And we are talking about "real" users`
`08:01.33`	`Nigromante`	`(not faked)`
`08:01.46`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: I never used sudo, not sure how much power/access gives to a user, so that why I am for groups`
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`08:01.54`	`Nigromante`	`ok`
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`08:02.30`	`Azar`	`if a user in a group that does not have rights to certain parts of the system, I guess sudo won't help him much`
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`08:02.43`	`Nigromante`	`the problem I just saw, is that sudoers options to restrict access are useless`
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`08:02.58`	`Nigromante`	`because, if sudo lets you impersonate root`
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`08:03.05`	`Nigromante`	`you can modify the file`
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`08:03.12`	`JSka`	`Does anyone kno where the "read" command is located?`
`08:03.15`	`Nigromante`	`and avoid the restictions`
`08:03.24`	`chemaja`	JSka: `type -a read'
`08:03.25`	`gcbirzan`	`JSka: It's a shell builtin. Why?`
`08:03.31`	`vook`	`any suggestions on how I could go about loading a process and allocating to it only a certain amount of cpu-time? (without using a virtual machine)`
`08:03.34`	`chemaja`	JSka: `help type'
`08:03.40`	`JSka`	`read is a shell builtin`
`08:03.41`	`Azar`	`in my opinion, sudo should only allow them to download/install stuff in their own user space, not to go raid the system`
`08:03.58`	`buu`	`Azar: Uh, if they're only using their own user space, why do they need sudo?`
`08:04.02`	`chemaja`	JSka: `help read'
`08:04.17`	`pmv`	`sudo can do pretty nice access control`
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`08:04.29`	`JSka`	`hrm, is there any other way of getting user input? cause i have a script in my /etc/ssh/sshrc - it is ran before the shell`
`08:04.45`	`gcbirzan`	`Eh?`
`08:04.48`	`gcbirzan`	`What kind of script is it?`
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`08:05.09`	`JSka`	`http://warpedcoders.org/source.txt`
`08:05.11`	`Nigromante`	`pmv, the point is to prevent /etc/sudoers to be modified by a sudoed user`
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`08:05.32`	`gcbirzan`	`JSka: !/bin/bash`
`08:05.35`	`gcbirzan`	`JSka: Try #!/bin/bash`
`08:05.40`	`JSka`	`its my first shell script`
`08:05.47`	`JSka`	`and i know, i accidently missed it when i copied it`
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`08:05.59`	`pmv`	`Nigromante: well, use the right tools for the job`
`08:06.14`	`Nigromante`	`for example?`
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`08:06.49`	`pmv`	`I mean, it depends on what you want`
`08:06.53`	`pmv`	`so I agree with you`
`08:07.07`	`pmv`	`it's good for controlling execution access`
`08:07.15`	`JSka`	`if i stick this script in something like /etc/profile it can easily be bypassed from a user pressing CTRL + C at the right time`
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`08:07.29`	`Nigromante`	`I want to avoid: sudo vi /etc/sudoers`
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`08:07.31`	`JSka`	`but if i put it in /etc/ssh/sshrc i can avoid this but i cant use the read command`
`08:07.59`	`Loady`	`guys. i realy need to create a dummy kernel package for mye xen domU's. i need som input on how to go about and do this. my custom-package.deb skills arent that good.`
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`08:09.23`	`Azar`	`Nigromante: this might be a better read: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s9.2`
`08:09.34`	`Nigromante`	`thanks`
`08:09.36`	`vook`	`JSka, you could change the users shell to be the script itself. ??`
`08:10.16`	`cableroy`	`Azar i did now follow the how to make custom kernel, went fine, did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -s and still want to install 2.4 kernel. sources.list includes deb http://www.ultramonkey.org/download/3/ sarge main and src for that`
`08:10.16`	`JSka`	`but the plan was to keep this script in a loop and if the script finished the way it should then it will continue and give them a shell`
`08:11.04`	`Loady`	`cableroy: greetings dude :)`
`08:11.17`	`cableroy`	`hello`
`08:11.29`	`cableroy`	`working on your apt-fu skillz? :P`
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`08:11.48`	`JSka`	`is there another method to user input other then read?`
`08:11.54`	`JSka`	`so i dont have to rely on a shell`
`08:11.59`	`Azar`	`cableroy: because you still have to use apt in installing the 2.6.18 kernel. If not, you can't use apt for any upgrade at all. apt gives you upgrades to packages running under the kernel IT KNOWS.`
`08:11.59`	`vook`	`JSka, hmm... wondering of motd can be interactive. Probably not. It sounds like you need to write a simple C program (something the user can't ctrl-C out of), that dumps them into a shell when it is completed.`
`08:12.19`	`Loady`	`Loady: well.. gotta do some workin'`
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`08:12.34`	`cableroy`	`Azar i did dpkg --install ../kernel-image-2.6.18.2_10.00.Custom_i386.deb was that wrong? need to use apt-get?`
`08:12.37`	`JSka`	`right now this program cannot be ctrl + c'd out of`
`08:12.43`	`JSka`	`i have all the exit signals trapped`
`08:12.45`	`pmv`	`JSka: and aside from hacking together an actual binary?`
`08:13.04`	`Azar`	`cableroy: YOUR apt knows about the kernel it installed. Your apt did not installed 2.6.18, therefore it ignores it`
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`08:13.09`	`JSka`	`i am sort of a noob to this shell scripting and stuff and really dont have much experience with C++ or C`
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`08:13.34`	`Azar`	`cableroy follow the "dpkg"-bot advice`
`08:13.44`	`Azar`	`!2.6.18 for sarge`
`08:13.48`	`JSka`	`I am willing to learn, and if learning how to build this in C is what it takes I am up for it.`
`08:13.53`	`Azar`	`bleh forgot the magic word`
`08:14.00`	`JSka`	`even without a shell I can still execute a C program?`
`08:14.07`	`rahul`	`motd is a file`
`08:14.24`	`JSka`	`well more then obvious yes :P cause /bin/login and shit is built in C`
`08:14.27`	`Azar`	`!sarge 2.6.18`
`08:14.27`	`dpkg`	`well, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm`
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`08:14.34`	`Azar`	`there you go cableroy`
`08:14.36`	`JSka`	`alright, i will just give building this in C a try, thanks for the help`
`08:14.38`	`rahul`	`you can handle signals in bash scripts`
`08:14.40`	`rahul`	`haha`
`08:14.52`	`rahul`	`JSka: good luck`
`08:14.56`	`JSka`	`thanks`
`08:14.57`	`vook`	`JSka, well, writing a program in C that that asks for user input, and dumps that input to a file is actually not real tough. I mean, it'd take you a few hours probably, but you could do it.`
`08:15.06`	`rahul`	`JSka: I hope you're not looking for something secure`
`08:15.20`	`JSka`	`obviously not`
`08:15.30`	`rahul`	`JSka: why don't you just use read?`
`08:15.32`	`JSka`	`more or less this is a barier`
`08:15.35`	`Loady`	`no phun intended. but the apt way of doing stuff realy sucks sometimes. it sould just have an exlude function`
`08:15.38`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`what is the ncurses interface app to configure my eth0?`
`08:15.43`	`JSka`	`most people run apon something like this and will just leave`
`08:15.54`	`JSka`	`unless they understand whats happining`
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`08:16.36`	`rahul`	`well done`
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`08:17.23`	`JSka`	`sorry about that, having some networking problems`
`08:18.12`	`JSka`	`rahul: the reason i dont just use read is cause read is a shell builtin`
`08:18.23`	`JSka`	`im taking it as i need a shell to use it`
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`08:18.54`	`rahul`	`JSka: so?`
`08:19.01`	`rahul`	`JSka: what else would you use?`
`08:19.12`	`cableroy`	`Azar i'm affraid that doing the apt-get -t sarge-backports and the 2.6 kernel will break my 2.6 now`
`08:19.13`	`cableroy`	`?`
`08:19.14`	`JSka`	`im going to redo it in C`
`08:19.14`	`rahul`	`JSka: your ass? or would you rather pull it out of mine...?`
`08:19.16`	`rahul`	`haha`
`08:19.30`	`pmv_`	`heh`
`08:19.32`	`rahul`	`JSka: that's wonderful logic`
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`08:19.50`	`rahul`	`"it's a shell builtin, so I'll rewrite my script in C"`
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`08:20.03`	`rahul`	`"I'm a monkey, so the sky is green"`
`08:20.09`	`JSka`	`the script is being executed before a shell`
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`08:20.20`	`vook`	`Ilovemypuppy, eh, linuxconf? (I'd advise against it though) just use ifconfig...`
`08:20.21`	`rahul`	`JSka: you are so confused`
`08:20.22`	`sep`	`cableroy, you can have several kernels installed at the same time, so you can boot into the older kernel to rescue.. it's not been a problem for me atlest.`
`08:20.34`	`JSka`	`obviously, i thought i pointed out i am new to this shit?`
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`08:20.50`	`rahul`	`JSka: the script is executed BY a shell`
`08:21.06`	`rahul`	`a shell is just an interpreter for a language.`
`08:21.16`	`pmv_`	`JSka: if it's a script, it gets interpreted by sh anyway`
`08:21.18`	`rahul`	`just like gcc is a compilter for C`
`08:21.21`	`pmv_`	`JSka: so it's still a shell`
`08:21.23`	`Azar`	`cableroy: the way rahul put it it gave me the image: imagine apt is like a doorman who takes your coat and hat when you enter... then gives them back to you when you leave. If you never left your hat and coat with the doorman, don't expect from him to give them back to you when you exit the building. If you did not used apt to install a new kernel, apt will never upgrade packages for that new kernel.`
`08:21.23`	`JSka`	`/etc/ssh/sshrc is executed before a shell`
`08:21.38`	`JSka`	`read does not work running out of /etc/ssh/sshrc`
`08:21.43`	`rahul`	`wtf`
`08:21.47`	`karsten`	`JSka: You might head to #bash for solid scripting tips.`
`08:22.02`	`Azar`	`rahul: that word is reserved for abrotman`
`08:22.11`	`pmv_`	`JSka: /etc/init.d/* are shell scripts`
`08:22.14`	`rahul`	`JSka: so use your script as the shell, maybe and have it exec the shell they really want?`
`08:22.17`	`cableroy`	`Azar ok, but it also includes grub, udev and other things, do i have to re-install them as well?`
`08:22.19`	`rahul`	`Azar: hell no`
`08:22.20`	`Loady`	cableroy: just backup the kernel image and /lib/modules/`uname -r`
`08:22.28`	`sep`	`cableroy, it might overwrite your handwritten bootloader tho`
`08:22.28`	`rahul`	`I am the king of wtf and fftw.`
`08:22.35`	`pmv_`	`JSka: just because you're not in an interactive shell doesn't mean you can't have shell access`
`08:22.48`	`karsten`	`rahul: It's OK, abrotman just collects a royalty.`
`08:22.56`	`JSka`	`well how would i call "read" then?`
`08:23.08`	`rahul`	`JSka: "read"`
`08:23.18`	`SlayerXP`	`# and the sign said "long haired freaky people need not apply"`
`08:23.18`	`rahul`	`since you're doing it from a shell script`
`08:23.19`	`Azar`	`cableroy: it looks you don't have much choice but reinstall the kernel you want using apt then build on it ... not sure if 2.6.8 will reject lilo, I hope not because I hate grub`
`08:23.22`	`pmv_`	`JSka: okay, just to clarify, what makes you think you can't?`
`08:23.34`	`JSka`	`if you take that script i posted as is`
`08:23.36`	`rahul`	`karsten: that's nice. he can dream about my hot ass.`
`08:23.42`	`Loady`	`cableroy: i suggest you wait for mye dummy package`
`08:23.45`	`JSka`	`and put it in the /etc/ssh/sshrc and logged in over ssh`
`08:23.47`	`Loady`	`-e`
`08:23.50`	`Azar`	`karsten, will 2.6.18 force grub on us?`
`08:23.55`	`pmv_`	`JSka: maybe that's because it's being run in background`
`08:23.56`	`JSka`	`the script would go into a infinite loop`
`08:24.04`	`rahul`	`JSka: since when was sshrc anything to do with a shell script?`
`08:24.07`	`karsten`	`Azar: Nothing forces grub on you.`
`08:24.10`	`pmv_`	`JSka: or the shell can't run interactively at that point`
`08:24.17`	`Azar`	`:) yay nice, thanks`
`08:24.24`	`pmv_`	`hehe`
`08:24.30`	`JSka`	`so would re-writing this in C fix this?`
`08:24.30`	`karsten`	`rahul: He collects royalties for dreaming about that too.`
`08:24.38`	`rahul`	`JSka: write a script, use it as their shell, exec the shell when you're done`
`08:24.39`	`cableroy`	`Loady oki i'll wait`
`08:24.41`	`rahul`	`JSka: it wouldn't`
`08:24.58`	`JSka`	`why wouldnt it fix it?`
`08:25.12`	`rahul`	`karsten: yeah, so he can pay himself that royalty`
`08:25.17`	`rahul`	`JSka: because you can`
`08:25.20`	`karsten`	`JSka: Um, what are you trying to accomplish.`
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`08:25.23`	`rahul`	`JSka: because you can't put C code in sshrc`
`08:25.24`	`JSka`	`i dont see why it wouldnt cause /bin/login is built in C and it has user input`
`08:25.27`	`karsten`	`rahul: No, he collects it from you.`
`08:25.29`	`pmv_`	`JSka: let me clear this up. sshrc is a configuration file, right?`
`08:25.36`	`rahul`	`karsten: he's dreaming about it.`
`08:25.39`	`JSka`	`but you can execute a C program for sshrc`
`08:25.45`	`karsten`	`rahul: you think that comes cheap?`
`08:25.49`	`rahul`	`JSka: so?`
`08:25.52`	`karsten`	`rahul: abrotman never pays the piper.`
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`08:25.57`	`JSka`	`what do you mean so?`
`08:26.06`	`rahul`	`karsten: hey, if he doesn't wantto pay he can stop dreaming of it :)`
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`08:26.21`	`rahul`	`JSka: how will one thing be different from something that does the same thing?`
`08:26.35`	`cydork`	`karsten: abrotman never pays for anything ;)`
`08:26.37`	`rahul`	`1+1 = 0+2`
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`08:26.47`	`rahul`	`however you add it up, you get 2.`
`08:27.07`	`rahul`	`you're trying to interact with a user you aren't hooked up to`
`08:27.16`	`karsten`	`rahul: You fail to understand, grasshopper. Abrotman's dreams are a service you pay for.`
`08:27.57`	`rahul`	`karsten: well, then I'll get him for racketeering :)`
`08:28.06`	`JSka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:28.06`	`JSka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:28.06`	`JSka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:28.06`	`JSka`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`08:28.09`	`JSka`	`crap`
`08:28.16`	`rahul`	`then he'll be dreaming of how his ass used to be before ;)`
`08:28.16`	`karsten`	`!tell JSka about flood`
`08:28.19`	`karsten`	`!tell JSka about paster`
`08:28.32`	`JSka`	`dont tell me a bunch of stuff, i know i didnt think i copied that many lines`
`08:28.33`	`rahul`	`ok, I'm off to bed`
`08:28.43`	`karsten`	`JSka: Don't abuse the regulars.`
`08:28.52`	`karsten`	`JSka: We don't know what you know, kapiche.`
`08:29.11`	`rahul`	`and don't abuse yourself with this wackiness`
`08:29.24`	`karsten`	`rahul: What do you think I'm here for?`
`08:29.45`	`rahul`	`karsten: abusing yourself? interesting.`
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`08:29.51`	`JSka`	`you guys are really no help here`
`08:30.08`	`pmv_`	`JSka: you can't get user input at that point`
`08:30.08`	`rahul`	`JSka: we're no help to people who are denser than grandma's fruitcake`
`08:30.13`	`JSka`	`i come here and ask a question and if i dont do it your way you guys dont care about it and wont stop talking about your way and tell me my way wont work`
`08:30.17`	`pmv_`	`JSka: whatever you run there runs in background`
`08:30.17`	`chemaja`	`oh-oh, you're in trouble now JSka`
`08:30.18`	`rahul`	`haha`
`08:30.21`	`rahul`	`"my way"`
`08:30.22`	`JSka`	`yet i got this far and what i was told doesnt work works`
`08:30.24`	`vook`	`JSka, now lets not get snippy!`
`08:30.26`	`rahul`	`JSka: you're an idiot`
`08:30.32`	`JSka`	`your an idiot`
`08:30.33`	`Azar`	`JSka: "ignoring help is FUN"`
`08:30.38`	`karsten`	`rahul: Hold on the abuse.`
`08:30.41`	`JSka`	`i am not ignoring help`
`08:30.44`	`karsten`	`JSka: Dittos.`
`08:30.45`	`pmv_`	`rahul: not helping`
`08:30.46`	`rahul`	`JSka: it's MY fault that sshrc doesn't have access to the pty?`
`08:30.51`	`JSka`	`i was going to re code this in C like a couple people said`
`08:30.54`	`karsten`	`rahul: /ignore already.`
`08:30.56`	`JSka`	`then rahul is sitting here talking shit`
`08:30.57`	`vook`	`JSka, calm down.`
`08:31.10`	`pmv_`	`JSka: read up on getting interactive user input`
`08:31.11`	`JSka`	`i aint calmed up`
`08:31.19`	`rahul`	`JSka: a language is not going to change the input and ouput hooked up to your process`
`08:31.35`	`JSka`	`read is a shell builtin meaning i need a shell`
`08:31.40`	`rahul`	`so what?`
`08:31.43`	`JSka`	`sshrc is ran before a user shell is given`
`08:31.44`	`rahul`	`use a shell`
`08:31.48`	`rahul`	`so don't use sshrc`
`08:31.57`	`karsten`	`JSka: No. There are other ways to get terminal input. read is just a convenient way to do this in bash.`
`08:32.09`	`JSka`	`any time i have an shell running my script can easily be terminated if you press CTRL + C fast enough`
`08:32.12`	`rahul`	`I told you when you WILL have access to the user`
`08:32.22`	`JSka`	`using sshrc is the only time i have not been able to cancle out`
`08:32.25`	`pmv_`	`am I on ignore or something?`
`08:32.29`	`rahul`	`JSka: then they'll get logged out`
`08:32.31`	`pmv_`	`is he not hearing me?`
`08:32.41`	`JSka`	`i can here you, so many people are talking`
`08:32.41`	`Gnea`	`hrm`
`08:32.48`	`Azar`	`pmv_ like i said..`
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`08:32.56`	`Azar`	`hi mr Gnea :)`
`08:33.02`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`how can I tell what mode my network card is using? I mean 10/100 or hd/fd`
`08:33.03`	`Gnea`	`Azar: good morning :)`
`08:33.26`	`pmv_`	`JSka: I'm trying to help. the thing is, at this point, where sshrc is being run, the system isn't giving it access to user input yet`
`08:33.26`	`JSka`	`they will not be logged out if they exit before it`
`08:33.35`	`JSka`	`they will be given some other fancy shell`
`08:33.37`	`rahul`	`JSka: yes they will be`
`08:33.38`	`rahul`	`WRONG.`
`08:33.48`	`rahul`	`you never started some other fancy shell`
`08:33.48`	`JSka`	`where would i put it?`
`08:33.54`	`rahul`	`wtf`
`08:33.59`	`JSka`	`i dont understand`
`08:34.03`	`Azar`	`that's abrotman's word`
`08:34.03`	`rahul`	`JSka: scroll back up and read what I said`
`08:34.04`	`JSka`	`i told you 3 times already, i am new`
`08:34.11`	`rahul`	`JSka: to reading?`
`08:34.17`	`JSka`	`you told me to use a shell`
`08:34.18`	`rahul`	`or to actually paying attention?`
`08:34.21`	`rahul`	`no`
`08:34.28`	`rahul`	`WRONG.`
`08:34.32`	`JSka`	`i cant pay attention to all these suggestions`
`08:34.40`	`JSka`	`yoru going on my ignore list cause all your are doing is pissing me off`
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`08:34.40`	`Gnea`	`rahul: please do not say that again.`
`08:34.56`	`rahul`	`Gnea: I never suggested him to do that`
`08:34.58`	`Gnea`	`JSka: what are you trying to do, exactly?`
`08:35.05`	`Gnea`	`rahul: 01:37 < rahul> WRONG.`
`08:35.06`	`chemaja`	`i love #debian shit-fits`
`08:35.26`	`rahul`	`if he wants to deride my advice at least he can reiterate it right`
`08:35.35`	`Azar`	`new commers should be more calm and try assimilate from the elders`
`08:36.03`	`JSka`	`i am trying to build a barier, giving someone a fake shell. it looks like you have a real shell, you type a command it says you are un-authorized to use that command. there is a certain command that allows you to finish the script and continue on and get a real shell`
`08:36.05`	`Gnea`	`rahul: if you want to fire shit at someone, go play an RTS`
`08:36.06`	`rahul`	`I don't care if he's calm, he should pay attention and not screw up what I say so that it's exactly what wouldn't work`
`08:36.32`	`pmv_`	`haha`
`08:36.36`	`rahul`	`Gnea: I don't take lightly to people who insult me and then misrepresent me`
`08:36.39`	`Gnea`	`JSka: a barrier? you mean, a protected environment?`
`08:36.50`	`rahul`	`Gnea: after I give them helpful suggestions`
`08:37.14`	`SlayerXP`	`rahul: I'll make a note so I remember to misrepresent you _first_`
`08:37.19`	`Azar`	`rahul: I appreciate you ..`
`08:37.20`	`rahul`	`SlayerXP: exactly`
`08:37.26`	`Gnea`	`rahul: yeah, well, sometimes you need to put yourself in check. now please calm down.`
`08:37.30`	`pmv_`	`JSka: and you want this on ssh logins, right?`
`08:37.35`	`JSka`	`not really protected, just something that will stop a couple people`
`08:37.41`	`rahul`	`SlayerXP: if you're gonna be an arse to me, you better be consistent about it :)`
`08:37.49`	`Gnea`	`stop a couple people from doing what?`
`08:38.00`	`JSka`	`from getting a real shell on my box`
`08:38.07`	`JSka`	`if they manage to get access to one of my accounts`
`08:38.14`	`JSka`	`they will be faced with this script`
`08:38.15`	`pmv_`	`JSka: do you want this only for specific users? what you can do is drop the user to clish or some other controlled shell on ssh login.`
`08:38.19`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`how can I tell what mode my network card is using? I mean 10/100 or hd/fd`
`08:38.19`	`rahul`	`Gnea: well, good luck with the whole getting insulted thing.`
`08:38.20`	`SlayerXP`	`JSka: that's easy to do, yank out the network and power cables.`
`08:38.20`	`Gnea`	`JSka: why not just disable shell accounts for people altogether?`
`08:38.36`	`rahul`	`haha`
`08:38.38`	`vook`	`JSka, why not just change their shell to /bin/nologin?`
`08:38.45`	`Gnea`	`JSka: why do they need shell accounts in the first place?`
`08:38.46`	`rahul`	`see, I actually helped him`
`08:38.55`	`pmv_`	`I strongly suspect you're trying to do the wrong fix for the problem`
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`08:39.00`	`pmv_`	`lol rahul`
`08:39.02`	`rahul`	`and I'm the one that Gnea berates`
`08:39.12`	`JSka`	`i only have 1 account allowed access`
`08:39.12`	`Gnea`	`rahul: piss off :)`
`08:39.23`	`JSka`	`i use RSA keys for logins and have password authintication disabled`
`08:39.30`	`rahul`	`congrats.`
`08:39.46`	`JSka`	`preventing all other users from logging in`
`08:39.49`	`rahul`	`why do you need to fiddle with the other accounts that aren't allowed acess, then?`
`08:39.51`	`JSka`	`over ssh*`
`08:40.00`	`JSka`	`i am not`
`08:40.01`	`Gnea`	`JSka: that's good, but i'm not really following what you're trying to do... if you have only 1 account, then only 1 person can login with it`
`08:40.04`	`rahul`	`and so those users will never have sshrc executed for them`
`08:40.04`	`JSka`	`this barrier is mainly for my account`
`08:40.15`	`pmv`	`JSka: how about looking at /etc/passwd?`
`08:40.20`	`rahul`	`ah, nice use of the word "some" to mean "one"`
`08:40.23`	`Gnea`	`rahul: he just said he doesn't have any other accounts`
`08:40.32`	`vook`	`JSka, sorry, this is silly and not a debian question. Your objective is silly. Just lock them out. Why play games and fluph up this channel. You are now spam!`
`08:40.34`	`JSka`	`i do have other accounts`
`08:40.42`	`JSka`	`i only have 1 account allowed to login via ssh`
`08:40.42`	`rahul`	`haha`
`08:40.53`	`rahul`	`this is hillarious`
`08:40.59`	`Gnea`	`vook: you are clearly out of line.`
`08:41.11`	`rahul`	`JSka: ok, now that we've got to this point why don't you re-read what I said and do it`
`08:41.27`	`Gnea`	`JSka: then just setup a firewall and only allow certain ip's to login. end of story.`
`08:41.36`	`rahul`	`haha`
`08:41.37`	`Azar`	`Ilovemypuppy: that is a question I would like to know about too`
`08:41.42`	`pmv`	`hahaha`
`08:41.43`	`JSka`	`ok ok ok but i dont want to stop there`
`08:41.53`	`rahul`	`JSka: so do what I said!`
`08:41.55`	`pmv`	`dude, /etc/passwd`
`08:41.58`	`JSka`	`if for some reason - any reason at all this is bypassed i will be screwed`
`08:42.08`	`rahul`	`do you see that I'm the only one that is helping you with this?`
`08:42.08`	`JSka`	`if i rely on 1 thing to stop all these people i can screw myself over`
`08:42.12`	`Gnea`	`JSka: well until you can explain yourself in better, constructed detail, we can't help you any futher.`
`08:42.14`	`Azar`	`Gnea: you know about Ilovemypuppy question?`
`08:42.17`	`pmv`	`set their shells to /bin/true or some other "controller shell" you want, like clish or something`
`08:42.23`	`JSka`	`i was already given help`
`08:42.30`	`rahul`	`JSka: if you rely on 100 things you can screw yourself over`
`08:42.33`	`JSka`	`i got what i needed, you guys just keep asking me more questions`
`08:42.34`	`Gnea`	`Azar: should i?`
`08:42.38`	`rahul`	`JSka: sshrc CANNOT do what you want`
`08:42.46`	`Gnea`	`JSka: it's called troubleshooting.`
`08:42.47`	`JSka`	`rahul: its going to`
`08:42.47`	`pmv`	`;-)`
`08:42.49`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`any help would be appreciated`
`08:42.55`	`vook`	`Gnea, omg. you haven't been following this for the last 20 minutes then, it's going nowhere. JSka isn't listening to anyone. There is nothing you can say that will appease it.`
`08:42.57`	`Azar`	`Gnea: I was looking in my /etc/network and I couldn't find there`
`08:42.59`	`rahul`	`JSka: when you change the code to sshd. have fun.`
`08:43.04`	`itchi`	`Ilovemypuppy: Look to ethtool`
`08:43.08`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`i just need to see what kind of mode my network card is using`
`08:43.17`	`JSka`	`as you can see, that shell script i pasted says "DO NOT RELY ON THIS SCRIPT"`
`08:43.22`	`rahul`	The ``rc'' files are given the X11 authentication protocol and cookie in standard input.
`08:43.28`	`Gnea`	`Ilovemypuppy: try dmesg, it usually says there`
`08:43.29`	`Azar`	`itchi: is that a command?`
`08:43.39`	`pmv`	`Ilovemypuppy: try ifconfig`
`08:43.39`	`rahul`	`the one I described can be relied upon`
`08:43.43`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`Gnea, thank you`
`08:43.48`	`itchi`	`Azar: A package`
`08:43.48`	`pmv`	`oh, your lancard, not the actual link`
`08:43.53`	`rahul`	`but you don't want to actually do what will work, I see`
`08:43.56`	`pmv`	`yeah, dmesg would help`
`08:44.01`	`rahul`	`so hey. have fun.`
`08:44.10`	`JSka`	`how is writing this in C not going to work?`
`08:44.15`	`Gnea`	`JSka: i didn't see it.`
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`08:44.24`	`JSka`	`http://warpedcoders.org/source.txt`
`08:44.28`	`rahul`	`JSka: you mean how will writing a program in C change the way it's called?`
`08:44.40`	`pmv`	`JSka: because the C app is going to do exactly what you're trying to do with the shell script.`
`08:44.47`	`pmv`	`JSka: so it'll be the same thing`
`08:44.55`	`JSka`	`unlike read i can call my shell program outside of a shell`
`08:44.56`	`itchi`	`Ilovemypuppy: Install ethtool and ethtool eth0 and you know about it`
`08:44.58`	`rahul`	`we've got a genius here. he can change the code to sshd with some C program that does terminal IO`
`08:45.03`	`pmv`	`JSka: you want to set the right shell that ssh drops the user to`
`08:45.05`	`RichiH`	`uh.. how do i set the initial postgres password?`
`08:45.08`	`JSka`	`s/shell program/program`
`08:45.11`	`rahul`	`JSka: and it won't have acess to the user`
`08:45.11`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`itchi, no thank you , it tells me in dmesg.`
`08:45.15`	`rahul`	`JSka: congrats.`
`08:45.24`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: you don't.`
`08:45.24`	`pmv`	`wow`
`08:45.25`	`itchi`	`Ilovemypuppy: Yup, that too`
`08:45.26`	`pmv`	`I give up`
`08:45.34`	`rahul`	`heh`
`08:45.36`	`Gnea`	`JSka: that is the dumbest script i have ever seen.`
`08:45.37`	`itchi`	`Ilovemypuppy: ethtool permit to set the speed right btw`
`08:45.39`	`JSka`	`what are yo utalking about rahul`
`08:45.49`	`g333k`	`offtopic: do you know where can I buy a laptop without OS?`
`08:45.53`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: it just sets itself to a random value and thumbs its nose at me? ;)`
`08:45.59`	`Ilovemypuppy`	`itchi, no need its running at the right speedf`
`08:46.06`	`pmv`	`g333k: you mean like ebay ;-)`
`08:46.10`	`rahul`	`Gnea: oh, you've moved on from berating me, I see`
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`08:46.21`	`pmv`	`HAHA`
`08:46.23`	`Gnea`	`rahul: you really have a one-track mind...`
`08:46.31`	`JSka`	`/etc/ssh/sshrc is going to execute a C program, this C programs acts as a shell but really isnt a shell. it waits for certain user input. if this certain input is given the program exits and continues on to start up the shell`
`08:46.33`	`g333k`	`pmv, I heard about one once.... but I dont remember the name of the store`
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`08:46.43`	`rahul`	`haha`
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`08:47.02`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: so, what did you actually mean?`
`08:47.05`	`JSka`	`just like this shell script is doing, it acts as a fake shell input .enable all. is given`
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`08:47.08`	`Gnea`	`JSka: that is a non-debian way of doing it. we don't support it. try #linux`
`08:47.11`	`Nazcafan`	`what is the option -lXtst when compiling a program ?`
`08:47.14`	`pmv`	`g333k: yeah, I've heard of those too. you in the US?`
`08:47.19`	`rahul`	`Gnea: I have a one-track mind as far as the only thing you said to me recently, yes`
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`08:47.32`	`Gnea`	`rahul: i'm sorry you feel that way.`
`08:47.35`	`Gnea`	`!beer rahul`
`08:47.35`	`rahul`	`JSka: and there IS NO USER`
`08:47.38`	`JSka`	`if you were to stick this in /etc/profile and login you will be given a fake shell, once you give the correct input the fake shell will close giving you a real shell`
`08:47.44`	`rahul`	`yuengling is cheap`
`08:47.48`	`rahul`	`pfft.`
`08:47.56`	`JSka`	`the problem with putting it in /etc/profile is that you can exit before it is executed`
`08:48.00`	`pmv`	`JSka: /etc/passwd!`
`08:48.00`	`g333k`	`pmv, south america but theres no a problem for me to order one for an address in the US`
`08:48.05`	`rahul`	`I want a blue moon at least!`
`08:48.13`	`Gnea`	`JSka: the problem is suggesting it in the first place.`
`08:48.19`	`rahul`	`JSka: and WHAT did I tell you to do?`
`08:48.21`	`JSka`	`what is wrong with it?`
`08:48.28`	`JSka`	`you told me to use a shell`
`08:48.30`	`rahul`	`no`
`08:48.39`	`rahul`	`not just "a" shell`
`08:48.42`	`RichiH`	`JSka: am i correct in assuming that you want a custom program to execute 'in front' of your normal shell, requiring, in effect, two passwords?`
`08:49.08`	`JSka`	`basically, yes`
`08:49.14`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: have you seen this yet? it's what he's talking about using as a shell: http://warpedcoders.org/source.txt`
`08:49.26`	`JSka`	`i never said its a shell`
`08:49.30`	`JSka`	`its a "FAKE" shell`
`08:49.32`	`RichiH`	`JSka: put the program into your /etc/passwd line and add it to /etc/shells`
`08:49.33`	`JSka`	`it looks like a shell`
`08:49.38`	`rahul`	`JSka: you should have taken my help when I gave it`
`08:49.44`	`JSka`	`but in reality it is not a shell and you cannot do anything with it`
`08:49.47`	`pmv`	`am I on your ignore on something??`
`08:49.49`	`pmv`	`geez`
`08:49.50`	`rahul`	`JSka: no one else here is going to help you with your twisted endeavor`
`08:49.58`	`Gnea`	`JSka: so it doesn't provide a command prompt and it doesn't handle input/output?`
`08:50.06`	`RichiH`	`rahul: i think i just did ;)`
`08:50.09`	`JSka`	`rahul: i have already got as much help as i needed`
`08:50.12`	`rahul`	`not that I understood what he wants to do`
`08:50.15`	`rahul`	`haha`
`08:50.22`	`pmv`	`RichiH: that's what we've been telling him earlier`
`08:50.25`	`itchi`	`pmv: There are to many exitations, it's look`
`08:50.27`	`rahul`	`JSka: yes, someone told you to create gold from lead`
`08:50.32`	`JSka`	`Gnea: no it doesnt cause i am executing it via /etc/ssh/sshrc and read is a shell builtin`
`08:50.42`	`JSka`	`/etc/ssh/sshrc is executed before the shell`
`08:50.43`	`rahul`	`JSka: a shell builtin is a C program`
`08:50.52`	`JSka`	`where is it`
`08:50.56`	`rahul`	`just like the program you will write`
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`08:51.08`	`JSka`	`so i can execute it, cause i cannot execute it by callling "read" in /etc/ssh/sshrc`
`08:51.08`	`rahul`	`Gnea: it's mentioned in the sshd man page`
`08:51.18`	`Gnea`	`rahul: i never read it. :)`
`08:51.20`	`rahul`	`Gnea: seems rather useless for most people`
`08:51.21`	`rahul`	`heh`
`08:51.25`	`pmv`	`sniff`
`08:51.38`	`pmv`	`me either`
`08:51.42`	`rahul`	`JSka: you can't execute anything that does the same thing as "read" either`
`08:51.47`	`itchi`	`!beer pmv`
`08:51.50`	`pmv`	`maybe because it confuses people into doing this`
`08:52.00`	`rahul`	`JSka: because that is the only way to get input from a user.`
`08:52.06`	`Gnea`	`oooooooh ok i see`
`08:52.06`	`JSka`	`/bin/login asks for user input`
`08:52.07`	`RichiH`	`pmv: ah, oh well`
`08:52.11`	`rahul`	`you can't read from something that isn't there`
`08:52.11`	`niru`	`from where can I get udebs`
`08:52.16`	`niru`	`rahul:hi`
`08:52.17`	`JSka`	`why can i not create a C program that does the same?`
`08:52.17`	`niru`	`from where can I get udebs`
`08:52.23`	`rahul`	`niru:ho`
`08:52.30`	`rahul`	`from where the udebs are`
`08:52.32`	`Gnea`	`JSka: the only way to provide a truely fake shell is to put some program in the /etc/shells list and then set it to that user's shell.`
`08:52.34`	`pmv`	`JSka: because you won't have stdin at this point anyway`
`08:52.42`	`JSka`	`what ever, instead of talking shit take my script put it in a file and run it and see what it does`
`08:52.50`	`pmv`	`haha`
`08:52.51`	`JSka`	`i dont need help any more, i was already given a suggestion`
`08:52.55`	`rahul`	`Gnea: that's exactly the advice I gave him`
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`08:52.59`	`Gnea`	`JSka: provide documentation and i will.`
`08:53.22`	`JSka`	`sense my security ideas are so fucking stupid how about i give you root access to my server and see what you can do`
`08:53.24`	`Azar`	`well... that is not nice`
`08:53.26`	`rahul`	`JSka: oh sure, so you can get it to install a rootkit on our machines?`
`08:53.27`	`vook`	`ok JSka, if you can create that script, creating a C program that performs this task would not be too difficult. Just create the C program, create a script that says 'program && bash', then you are done!`
`08:53.29`	`RichiH`	JSka: do what i told you earlier and add `bash` after line 16
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`08:53.51`	`vook`	`JSka, if program returns true, bash executes, if it returns false, the script dies`
`08:53.52`	`niru`	`rahul:debian`
`08:54.00`	`rahul`	`niru:redhat`
`08:54.01`	`Gnea`	`JSka: otherwise, take your undocumented code that could do whatever-i-do-not-know and stop trying to get us to run it.`
`08:54.09`	`niru`	`rahul:debian`
`08:54.15`	`rahul`	`niru:suse`
`08:54.21`	`JSka`	`you dont understand that code?`
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`08:54.31`	`rahul`	`JSka: we do not TRUST you.`
`08:54.34`	`Gnea`	`did i typo?`
`08:54.37`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: the script is rather easy tbh`
`08:54.41`	`JSka`	`you can simply read the fucking code and see it doesnt do jack shit`
`08:54.50`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: i'm sure it is, i've just never seen one written like that...`
`08:54.55`	`rahul`	`JSka: then why do we care about something that doesn't do jack shit?`
`08:54.59`	`JSka`	`jeezes fucking christ, stop asking me questions and i will try the idea i was given that i am 99% sure will work`
`08:55.00`	`Guerin`	`huh, has the format of /etc/apr/preferences changed?`
`08:55.03`	`RichiH`	`and theidea of not telling the user that this is a pseudoprompt is nice, too`
`08:55.04`	`rahul`	`I can do jack shit sitting on irc`
`08:55.10`	`rahul`	`JSka: so do that`
`08:55.10`	`JSka`	`explain how it doesnt do jack shit?`
`08:55.15`	`Gnea`	`JSka: oh yeah? i can sit on my ass and do jack shit too! :D`
`08:55.22`	`rahul`	`JSka: you said it. not me.`
`08:55.23`	`RichiH`	`but anyway, to get on with the more important things in life, how do i set the root password in postgres?`
`08:55.25`	`Azar`	`yeheee!!`
`08:55.28`	`JSka`	`once it is runing it cannot be exited unless a user on the server kills it for them or they exit ssh`
`08:55.30`	`rahul`	`Gnea: stop copying me, sheesh`
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`08:55.33`	`Guerin`	`Package: *`
`08:55.33`	`Guerin`	`Pin: release o=foo`
`08:55.33`	`Guerin`	`Pin-Priority: 100`
`08:55.36`	`Gnea`	`JSka: then prove that it doesn't do jack shit and document each step.`
`08:55.43`	`pmv`	`lol RichiH`
`08:55.43`	`Gnea`	`rahul: what?`
`08:55.50`	`JSka`	`let me go smoke and i will`
`08:55.53`	`pmv`	`hrm...`
`08:55.53`	`Guerin`	`gives me: E: Unable to parse package file /etc/apt/preferences (1)`
`08:55.58`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: dunno, i use mysql :)`
`08:56.01`	`pmv`	`RichiH: fsck, I used to know :-)))`
`08:56.18`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: you don't.`
`08:56.19`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: mysql is to postgres what bash is to zsh`
`08:56.20`	`rahul`	`Gnea: you tell him to run his damn script as the shell and exec bash at the end and then you say that you can do jack shit without his help`
`08:56.22`	`pmv`	`RichiH: it's probably in the psql or createuser man page`
`08:56.30`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: i don't use zsh either`
`08:56.34`	`pmv`	`hha`
`08:56.35`	`rahul`	`Gnea: well, I was first, so nyah!`
`08:56.47`	`SlayerXP`	`postgres doesn't have an inbuilt "root" user, so you don't set its password`
`08:56.47`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: unless you have anything useful to say, how about you stop repeating the same thing when not ask and not responding when asked?`
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`08:56.52`	`Gnea`	`rahul: i don't have a crap system to do it on currently`
`08:56.58`	`rahul`	`Gnea: same here`
`08:57.04`	`Gnea`	`lol`
`08:57.06`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: ah, i saw that too late ;)`
`08:57.10`	`rahul`	`wtf`
`08:57.15`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: I apologise for giving you the correct answer to your question`
`08:57.17`	`rahul`	`Gnea: I'm going to bed`
`08:57.18`	`Azar`	`that's abrotman's word`
`08:57.19`	`pmv`	`haha`
`08:57.21`	`rahul`	`don't follow me there.`
`08:57.23`	`Gnea`	`rahul: night`
`08:57.34`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: well, if the user is named hans i do not particularly care, either`
`08:57.37`	`pmv`	`this chan is frickin hilarious :-))`
`08:57.42`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: so, how do i set up a privileged account?`
`08:57.47`	`rahul`	`pmv: thanks :)`
`08:58.00`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: with the createuser command, oddly enough`
`08:58.09`	`Gnea`	`pmv: we try :)`
`08:58.12`	`pmv`	`haha`
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`08:58.22`	`JSka`	`i cannot belive i am about to comment something with a couple variables 2 if statments and a while loop`
`08:58.27`	`itchi`	`RichiH: passwd postgres??`
`08:58.37`	`pmv`	`looks like JSka outdoes you tho ;-)`
`08:58.39`	`Gnea`	`JSka: obviously you've never held a real programmers job before.`
`08:58.46`	`Azar`	`thanks Gnea, itchi.. for the hints`
`08:58.51`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: ugh, thanks`
`08:59.01`	`RichiH`	`pmv: i did not read yours up to now`
`08:59.02`	`pmv`	`haha, so the gloves come off for Gnea now`
`08:59.09`	`pmv`	`RichiH: no prob ;-)`
`08:59.12`	`JSka`	`i just finished a $300 dollar programming project and an $800 project before that`
`08:59.18`	`Gnea`	`the gloves were off about 10 minutes ago`
`08:59.28`	`itchi`	`RichiH: Just reset the passwd`
`08:59.31`	`Azar`	`who cares about money here?`
`08:59.31`	`Gnea`	`wow, you're cheap`
`08:59.40`	`JSka`	`the scripts were done in less then a day`
`08:59.47`	`pmv`	`oh, you can get money for programming??`
`08:59.47`	`JSka`	`the $800 project took me around 5 hours`
`08:59.52`	`pmv`	`if only I knew!`
`08:59.52`	`itchi`	`JSka: A day for that??`
`08:59.55`	`pmv`	`:-))`
`09:00.06`	`Gnea`	`JSka: that's nice.`
`09:00.07`	`RichiH`	`psql: FATAL: database "root" does not exist`
`09:00.17`	`Gnea`	`call someone who cares... :)`
`09:00.18`	`RichiH`	`hmm, that could pose a problem`
`09:00.18`	`pmv`	`RichiH: yeah, you have to specifiy the database`
`09:00.23`	`JSka`	`obviously you fucking care`
`09:00.27`	`JSka`	`cause your the one bringing the shit up`
`09:00.32`	`JSka`	`so shut the fuck up or listen`
`09:00.32`	`itchi`	`RichiH: What did you exactly?`
`09:00.43`	`Gnea`	`!troll JSka`
`09:00.50`	`RichiH`	`pmv: thing is, it is a fresh install. createuser is complaining that there is no root role`
`09:00.50`	`pmv`	`RichiH: when you do psql and specify a user, it uses the user's name as the db by default`
`09:00.51`	`Gnea`	`well, you get the idea.`
`09:00.51`	`Azar`	`JSka: calm down, we don't care what you code about`
`09:01.08`	`Gnea`	`!ops JSka is being abusive. 02:03 < JSka> so shut the fuck up or listen`
`09:01.08`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: gnea complains about: JSka is being abusive. 02:03 < JSka> so shut the fuck up or listen`
`09:01.11`	`RichiH`	`JSka: could you please moderate your languae considerably?`
`09:01.22`	`pmv`	`RichiH: you can just add a "root" user. pgsql doesn't rely on the system's root.`
`09:01.27`	`JSka`	`well people in here making stupid ass fucking remarks about me that have no clue who i am`
`09:01.41`	`Azar`	`Bill Gates?`
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`09:02.00`	`*** mode/#debian [+b %JSka!@] by RichiH`
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`09:02.03`	`RvGaTe`	`good morning freenode o/`
`09:02.11`	`Guerin`	`JSka: now you'r enobody`
`09:02.13`	`itchi`	`JSka: _YOUR_ language please!`
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`09:02.35`	`Azar`	`aw`
`09:02.40`	`RichiH`	`Guerin: you know that poking them with a stick after the fact is not acceptable either, don't you ;)`
`09:02.41`	`StanSka`	`for all you know i am Linus Torvalds and just got out of a comma and cant remember shit`
`09:02.48`	`itchi`	`Maybe is that better too`
`09:02.56`	`SlayerXP`	`it must have been quite a large comma`
`09:03.18`	`Azar`	`he`
`09:03.18`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !n=BSokBa@*.dhcp.wnch.wa.charter.com] by RichiH`
`09:03.19`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, yo, almost a week without windows at home :P`
`09:03.19`	`RichiH`	`fascinating, really`
`09:03.31`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: Have you still that on the computer?? :-p`
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`09:03.44`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, yup "just in case"`
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`09:03.48`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: It will become more and more funny, you will see ;-)`
`09:04.01`	`Guerin`	`RichiH: yeah yeah`
`09:04.07`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, ill probably reinstall windows... only to play games on it`
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`09:04.32`	`RichiH`	`Guerin: i will just assume this is a yes`
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`09:04.40`	`StanSka`	`why the banning/`
`09:04.51`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: hhhmm, yeah, maybe find some game that are not yet packaged for debian? If you find some, give a sign hehe`
`09:04.59`	`StanSka`	`you guys sit here and talk shit about my life but i say one thing and get banned`
`09:04.59`	`StanSka`	`kinda fucked up`
`09:05.27`	`RichiH`	`StanSka: it was your abusive language which got you quieted`
`09:05.33`	`buu`	`Then you came and whined about it? How mature.`
`09:05.39`	`RichiH`	`it was the evasion to the quiet which made me ban you`
`09:05.48`	`itchi`	`StanSka: One thing? Are you drunken?`
`09:05.51`	`StanSka`	`i wouldnt be abusive but you cant expect me not to when you guys are talking shit about my life`
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`09:06.06`	`RichiH`	`StanSka: please note that bans and quiets are not done for fun, they serve a purpose`
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`09:06.15`	`itchi`	`!tell root -about root`
`09:06.31`	`StanSka`	`well ban the people that cause other people to get banned`
`09:06.37`	`StanSka`	`i dont sit here and talk shit about your life do i?`
`09:06.46`	`StanSka`	`if i said anything i would get banned, wouldnt i?`
`09:06.52`	`RichiH`	`StanSka: so please use the timeout to chill a little bit`
`09:06.56`	`pmv`	`odd ..`
`09:07.11`	`RichiH`	`StanSka: feel free to tell me, in query, what you define as talking shit about your life`
`09:07.16`	`RichiH`	`up to then, please heed the ban`
`09:07.20`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !=SkareCro@*.dhcp.wnch.wa.charter.com] by RichiH`
`09:07.21`	`itchi`	`StanSka: Just ignore the person then, so you show you have a bit more brain`
`09:07.30`	`Guerin`	`isn't evading a ban grouns for a kline?`
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`09:08.02`	`RichiH`	`Guerin: if it happens too often, yes`
`09:08.04`	`pmv`	`heh heh`
`09:08.29`	`Azar`	`this is the ladies' night and it looks allright...`
`09:08.43`	`itchi`	`Is it not sunday?`
`09:08.52`	`Azar`	`not even full moon`
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`09:09.57`	`quitte`	`etch key`
`09:10.00`	`Gnea`	`wow.`
`09:10.10`	`Gnea`	`Azar: pretty close to it heh`
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`09:11.50`	`Azar`	`I am looking over the debian manuals online, is it me or they seem outdated?`
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`09:13.45`	`nevyn`	`Azar: they should be current for stable`
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`09:15.13`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: any idea about this? http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZRM4Yq29.html`
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`09:16.16`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: which user are you running that as?`
`09:16.26`	`itchi`	`RichiH: Is that for the postgre stuff there?`
`09:17.00`	`E-bola`	`Can i set a local mx record? Like u can set the ip a hostname resolves to in hosts, can u also override a domains mx record locally somehow?`
`09:17.18`	`pmv`	`hmm ..`
`09:17.23`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: root (the unix one)`
`09:17.29`	`RichiH`	`itchi: yes`
`09:17.40`	`RichiH`	`it is a new install`
`09:17.41`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: there you go then.`
`09:17.49`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: run it as the postgres user`
`09:17.56`	`itchi`	`RichiH: I did passwd postgres`
`09:18.11`	`Azar`	`nevyn: one small detail example is the APT manual who still uses the non-us recommendation...`
`09:19.08`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: though what you're doing implies you really don't understand how postgres works`
`09:19.28`	`SlayerXP`	`RichiH: there's almost no need to have a superuser`
`09:19.43`	`pmv`	`ohh`
`09:19.43`	`pmv`	`hehe`
`09:19.45`	`pmv`	`sorry, postgres doesn't respect the unix root user`
`09:20.04`	`SlayerXP`	`the debian postgres account _is_ the "root" account`
`09:20.08`	`pmv`	`yeah, SlayerXP's right`
`09:20.18`	`itchi`	`I have just defined the postgre passwd and there was mine begin`
`09:21.29`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: i only use it, i don't set it up, normally ;)`
`09:21.29`	`RvGaTe`	`Is there something like Netviewer for Debian? http://www.netviewer.com/`
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`09:22.19`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: Need you vnc?`
`09:22.21`	`RichiH`	`SlayerXP: it is working now, btw`
`09:22.24`	`RichiH`	`thanks :)`
`09:22.27`	`SlayerXP`	`np`
`09:22.31`	`Gnea`	`RvGaTe: vnc :)`
`09:22.36`	`itchi`	`RichiH: Maybe change the pass??`
`09:22.53`	`pmv`	`w00`
`09:23.01`	`RichiH`	`itchi: no, it's ok. i simply did not think of using the postgresql user`
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`09:23.20`	`itchi`	`RichiH: Ok`
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`09:26.13`	`itchi`	`RichiH: Just avoid to have same pass for the database as the root user. Looks like you have not change it :-p`
`09:27.11`	`RichiH`	`itchi: i have blank passwords for all my accounts`
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`09:27.19`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: hrm, i just installed postgresql-8.1 and read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz :)`
`09:27.20`	`RichiH`	`makes remembering so much easier`
`09:27.28`	`pmv`	`RichiH: gimme ip? :-)`
`09:27.34`	`RichiH`	`all you need to do is reinstall the box every two days`
`09:27.37`	`pmv`	`hee hee`
`09:27.37`	`Gnea`	`it's pretty tight`
`09:27.59`	`RichiH`	`Gnea: i was looking for the quick and interactive fix ;p`
`09:28.18`	`Gnea`	`RichiH: and that's what i just found ;)`
`09:29.08`	`RichiH`	`heh`
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`09:34.14`	`niru`	`Anyone having any idea on installable cd creation`
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`09:35.11`	`itchi`	`niru: What mean you exactly?`
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`09:35.43`	`niru`	`itchi:I am coming up with an installable cd with d-i and debian etch`
`09:36.17`	`*** mode/#debian [-b !n=BSokBa@*.dhcp.wnch.wa.charter.com] by RichiH`
`09:36.19`	`niru`	`itchi:The cd is booting and till the base package installation no problem`
`09:36.34`	`*** mode/#debian [-b !=SkareCro@*.dhcp.wnch.wa.charter.com] by RichiH`
`09:36.40`	`niru`	`But after base system is getting installed The next step is not moving`
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`09:36.58`	`niru`	`It is stopping at Configuration of Package manager`
`09:37.39`	`itchi`	`niru: What tell he exactly? Get you an error?`
`09:38.08`	`niru`	`itchi:Am I not getting any error messages`
`09:38.18`	`niru`	`itchi:But installation stops there`
`09:38.28`	`niru`	`No other packages are getting installed`
`09:38.39`	`itchi`	`niru: Are you sure you not get an error?`
`09:39.22`	`itchi`	`niru: If it stop, there should be an reason, us need to know to try to help you`
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`09:39.43`	`pmv`	`niru: seen http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7246 yet?`
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`09:40.22`	`niru`	`itchi:I saw the console`
`09:40.29`	`ma3x`	`I've upgraded from firefox to iceweasel and the font size is smaller, so I have to increase it every time. any idea what's up, how do I memorize it?`
`09:40.31`	`niru`	`itchi:It shows something like this`
`09:41.15`	`niru`	`itchi:INFO:Menu item 'apt-setup-udeb' succeeded but requested to be left unconfigured`
`09:41.17`	`pmv`	`ma3x: Edit -> Preferenes -> Content`
`09:41.28`	`itchi`	`niru: Mac?`
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`09:42.38`	`itchi`	`niru: Which arch have you?`
`09:43.02`	`niru`	`i386`
`09:43.17`	`ma3x`	`pmv: is it default font? because that one is set to 16? and I'm complaining about the reading text, example - some cnn or bbc story text`
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`09:44.39`	`pmv`	`ma3x: try changing the minimum size`
`09:44.54`	`pmv`	`ma3x: Edit -> Preferenes -> Content -> Advanced`
`09:44.57`	`ma3x`	`this is incredible, if I load a page like yahoo, my pc is somehow heavy overloaded`
`09:45.37`	`niru`	`itchi:any solution`
`09:46.22`	`itchi`	`niru: Try dpkg --configure apt-setup-udeb`
`09:46.37`	`niru`	`where itchi`
`09:46.50`	`itchi`	`niru: On mine computer :-p`
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`09:47.08`	`itchi`	`niru: As root user in an shell`
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`09:47.23`	`niru`	`itchi:I mean the system where I create the installable cd?`
`09:47.32`	`itchi`	`niru: hhhmm, wait`
`09:47.40`	`itchi`	`niru: You build it yourself or so?`
`09:47.55`	`niru`	`yes`
`09:48.01`	`raf256`	`where can I find kernel module for fufme device?`
`09:48.29`	`itchi`	`raf256: modprobe -l fufme`
`09:48.48`	`itchi`	`niru: I dunno then, should the cd setup not yet right maybe`
`09:49.00`	`itchi`	`raf256: -l`
`09:49.40`	`itchi`	`raf256: If you get no output (with the -l), then there's not`
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`09:50.03`	`jm\|home`	`hello :)`
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`09:50.28`	`itchi`	`jm\|home: hello`
`09:50.35`	`jm\|home`	`last time I used Linux ipchains was the de-facto firewall; since then I've been a BSDer using ipf and/or pf ... I take it there is no pf for Debian? Am I stuck with iptables?`
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`09:52.31`	`itchi`	`raf256: Maybe, btw modconf is useful too, an ncurse based interface, with all the modules you can select to load at boot time ...`
`09:52.46`	`raf256`	`hmm ok`
`09:52.57`	`Guerin`	`hm, so is tetex now deprecated in favour of texlive?`
`09:53.05`	`itchi`	`raf256: You need to install modconf`
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`09:57.08`	`geo-rge`	`modconf needs work on its interface... it does work and is stable and all, but it lacks important user interface features`
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`09:58.13`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Like?`
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`09:59.34`	`xored`	`how to register a DLL ( borlands debugger ) under wine ?`
`10:00.19`	`itchi`	`raf256: Maybe i had to tell you too that you can play with , modprobe -l fufme* as example.`
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`10:03.52`	`geo-rge`	`like, when you exit...`
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`10:04.38`	`geo-rge`	`or, when you've scrolled down to a dir, you go into that dir, then you come back, it doesn't remember where you were`
`10:04.52`	`geo-rge`	`that has annoyed me for several years`
`10:05.23`	`geo-rge`	`anyway, brb again`
`10:05.25`	`streuner`	`geo-rge: you never sleep?`
`10:05.36`	`geo-rge`	`no, I sleep too much`
`10:05.39`	`geo-rge`	`bb`
`10:05.41`	`pmv`	`hehe`
`10:05.48`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: It will, but have Etch here`
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`10:06.50`	`itchi`	`streuner: And me?? ;-) snif snif`
`10:06.53`	`streuner`	`s/24 hourse /the last 3 days 24 hours/`
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`10:07.14`	`streuner`	`!debstats`
`10:07.14`	`dpkg`	`i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/`
`10:07.48`	`streuner`	`hm, about 30 percent within 0-6 GMT...`
`10:07.52`	`itchi`	`streuner: hehe, i was already on it ;-)`
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`10:08.41`	`streuner`	`itchi: hm, didn't see that much then...`
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`10:09.45`	`itchi`	`streuner: irssi is always running, and ssh to home is so easy :-)`
`10:11.04`	`pmv`	`ahh :-)`
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`10:11.20`	`pmv`	`the beauty of ssh + screen + irssi`
`10:11.51`	`itchi`	`pmv: Yeah, a bit weird in begin with screen, but once you got it, it rocks an you newer more want without it, hehe`
`10:12.24`	`esteel`	`ahh the beauty of ssh + screen + emacs + erc :)`
`10:12.38`	`tralala`	`my only problem with screen is that I'm too lazy to set it up as a login shell properly`
`10:12.56`	`itchi`	`tralala: hhm as an login shell`
`10:13.13`	`esteel`	`tralala: hmm i have neither, but i have an alias that does screen -A -D -RR`
`10:13.14`	`itchi`	`tralala: Looks like im lazy too :-)`
`10:13.18`	`esteel`	`very handy`
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`10:16.27`	`esteel`	`it just gets you a screen.. start a new one, de/reattach a running one.. ist just DOES it :P`
`10:16.51`	`cydork`	`hmm tabs+screen+emacs+irssi :P`
`10:17.42`	`pmv`	`I was about to say emacs too, but you can't be too careful tiptoeing around religious issues :-)`
`10:18.19`	`tralala`	`!start an editor war`
`10:18.19`	`dpkg`	`nano doesn't deserve to be in debian`
`10:19.05`	`pmv`	`haha`
`10:19.25`	`cydork`	`pmv: na i dont consider emacs as editor :P`
`10:19.27`	`tralala`	`why do people use xen for running virtual OSes when they can simply run emacs...`
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`10:19.38`	`esteel`	`tralala: ;)`
`10:19.56`	`pmv`	`cydork: I don't either. I didn't say that :-)`
`10:20.19`	`itchi`	`Use you emacs instead of vim?`
`10:21.03`	`pmv`	`my $SHELL is /usr/bin/emacs :-p`
`10:21.18`	`pmv`	`I use them for separate things`
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`10:21.50`	`esteel`	`well i hardly use vi.. just sometimes when i'm too lazy to write the long word emacsclient :P`
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`10:21.59`	`Skiver`	`hello, anyone here familiar with alsa sound ?`
`10:22.11`	`tralala`	`Skiver: /msg dpkg ask`
`10:22.32`	`Skiver`	`why my mic will send my mp3 playing out ?`
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`10:22.43`	`pmv`	`esteel: I have it aliased to 'ec' :-p`
`10:23.02`	`esteel`	`hmm good idea ;)`
`10:23.50`	`itchi`	`emacs is not yet installed here on the laptop :-°`
`10:24.45`	`tralala`	`Skiver, your mic does what?`
`10:25.00`	`pmv`	`Skiver: ROFL. plug it in the wrong socket, maybe? :-)`
`10:25.45`	`Skiver`	`tralala, pmv : it captures my voice via mic, and also my sound output will be captured.`
`10:26.23`	`pmv`	`Skiver: err`
`10:26.33`	`tralala`	`Skiver, use your favourite mixer to disable the pcm capture`
`10:26.45`	`pmv`	`you mean the sound from your speakers?`
`10:27.05`	`Skiver`	`tralala, pmv : now only headphone, mic are involved.`
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`10:27.26`	`Skiver`	`tralala: when pcm down, i can't hear any sound.`
`10:27.26`	`itchi`	`aptitude install xemacs21`
`10:27.33`	`itchi`	`Need to get 32.9MB of archives. After unpacking 106MB will be used.`
`10:27.39`	`itchi`	`woooaaa`
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`10:27.50`	`pmv`	`hehe`
`10:27.55`	`tralala`	`Skiver, you want to disable the pcm _capture_ not to mute it`
`10:28.16`	`tralala`	`almost as big as base install`
`10:28.17`	`pmv`	`when I switch between machines I don't install emacs packages from repo`
`10:28.32`	`pmv`	`I have an emacs dir for all my elisp stuff`
`10:28.41`	`mikeX`	`Skiver: in alsamixer hit tab to switch to Capture interface`
`10:28.54`	`Skiver`	`tralala, got it thanks.`
`10:29.02`	`Skiver`	`mikeX: solved thanks.`
`10:31.02`	`solid_liq`	`anyone know if there's something better than nfs for file sharing?`
`10:31.09`	`solid_liq`	`as in, faster`
`10:31.21`	`solid_liq`	`and at least as secure`
`10:31.52`	`cydork`	`solid_liq: nfs is secure? :P`
`10:31.57`	`itchi`	`btw, the menu in gnome is not updateted after installing some new stuff? Should the the package management not automatically run update-menu ?`
`10:32.06`	`solid_liq`	`cydork: I said at least as secure :D`
`10:32.29`	`solid_liq`	`cydork: besides, NFSv4 is supposedly fairly secure`
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`10:32.41`	`solid_liq`	`cydork: dunno how much stock I put in that tho`
`10:32.48`	`itchi`	`solid_liq: maybe sshfs?? If it's considered too`
`10:32.48`	`cydork`	`solid_liq: :)`
`10:33.07`	`tralala`	`solid_liq, netcat is just as secure and possibly faster`
`10:33.16`	`cydork`	`solid_liq: sshfs is based on fuse cant say about the speed but it's secure..`
`10:33.30`	`cydork`	`tralala: heh`
`10:33.31`	`solid_liq`	`eh, I need FAST`
`10:33.49`	`solid_liq`	`I want to copy over 100 gigs across a 100Mb link`
`10:34.05`	`solid_liq`	`and then keep that data in sync`
`10:34.13`	`geo-rge`	`Freely Altruistic Sagebrush Toaster?`
`10:34.21`	`itchi`	`solid_liq: Go buy some beer after you have press the enter key`
`10:34.39`	`cydork`	`solid_liq: use rsync :)`
`10:35.03`	`solid_liq`	`cydork: I thought about rsync`
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`10:35.19`	`geo-rge`	`rsync is harsh to configure`
`10:35.42`	`solid_liq`	`but I have to first transfer it from a machine that I'll have to boot off a livecd due to various corruption issues`
`10:35.44`	`cydork`	`geo-rge: you are too lazy! :P`
`10:35.49`	`solid_liq`	`in the / fs that is`
`10:36.17`	`geo-rge`	`I most certainly am... but if that's the case everyone else is immobile by comparison`
`10:36.20`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: To configure??`
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`10:36.23`	`solid_liq`	`and the whole fs structure is a nightmare now over years of hacking it up`
`10:36.32`	`solid_liq`	`so I want to wipe it and start fresh`
`10:36.38`	`geo-rge`	`yeah, I was writing a mirror sync script`
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`10:38.53`	`cydork`	`solid_liq: still you can use rsync..`
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`10:39.42`	`solid_liq`	`cydork: I suppose`
`10:39.48`	`geo-rge`	`if it's simple it should be ok`
`10:40.00`	`geo-rge`	`but a debian mirror is not`
`10:40.02`	`solid_liq`	`know of the package I need to setup an rsync server?`
`10:40.13`	`buscon`	`Hi, I've installed debian on a G5: what do I need to control fans?`
`10:40.29`	`geo-rge`	`a security team!`
`10:40.45`	`solid_liq`	`:D`
`10:41.05`	`geo-rge`	`and someone to pick groupies :)`
`10:41.46`	`itchi`	`buscon: That's a Mac?`
`10:41.54`	`buscon`	`itchi: yea`
`10:42.02`	`itchi`	`buscon: Try /msg chanserv list debianmac*`
`10:42.18`	`itchi`	`buscon: And try to ask on the #debian-mac ??`
`10:43.07`	`buscon`	`itchi: on which chat server ?`
`10:43.17`	`itchi`	`buscon: Freenode`
`10:44.12`	`itchi`	`buscon: That first line just list the channels debianmac* To show you how you can search too`
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`10:45.20`	`buscon`	`itchi: ok, thanx - btw #debian-mac if exists it's empty...`
`10:45.38`	`itchi`	`buscon: Yeah sorry, did an typo, and looks you not did the first command ;-)`
`10:45.40`	`Ronin`	`!ppc`
`10:45.40`	`dpkg`	`somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc`
`10:46.13`	`itchi`	`Ronin: hhhm, that's also mac family?`
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`10:46.34`	`itchi`	`That's not yet commons stuff here`
`10:46.39`	`itchi`	`shit`
`10:46.49`	`geo-rge`	`looks like I'm etchy`
`10:47.19`	`solid_liq`	`etchy and scratchy?`
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`10:47.42`	`geo-rge`	`yeah, so far looks ok`
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`10:49.13`	`itchi`	`Hope that scratchi is not yet here haha, not want that he beat me hehe`
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`10:51.36`	`solid_liq`	`anyone have experience with dirvish?`
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`10:54.11`	`tralala`	`solid_liq, yes`
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`10:54.23`	`Eclipser`	`where's the list of packages trying to get into sid again?`
`10:55.13`	`solid_liq`	`tralala: how was/is the experience?`
`10:56.04`	`cydork`	`Eclipser: /msg dpkg incoming`
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`10:56.22`	`Eclipser`	`thanks`
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`10:57.02`	`RvGaTe`	`Debian has Woody, Sarge, Etch and Sid right? anything else?`
`10:57.35`	`cydork`	`RvGaTe: woody is old stable..`
`10:57.36`	`lastnode_`	`RvGaTe, well there were a lotta releases before that`
`10:57.53`	`RvGaTe`	`lastnode_, is there a list somewhere ?`
`10:58.12`	`RvGaTe`	`lastnode_, nvm, got it`
`10:58.18`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: Look to /msg dpkg release history`
`10:58.21`	`lastnode_`	`RvGaTe, :-)`
`10:58.56`	`yunhual`	`i, can i use fdisk in a shell script to partition the disk`
`10:58.57`	`yunhual`	`i see fdisk is an alternation utility, but when in shell, i need a non-alternation tools`
`11:00.22`	`cydork`	`yunhual: check sfdisk`
`11:00.31`	`solid_liq`	`tralala: iotw, would you recommend dirvish to others?`
`11:00.55`	`yunhual`	`cydork, is sfdisk non-alternation tools?`
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`11:01.24`	`RvGaTe`	`Does Sid have a version number? or is it just "unstable" ?`
`11:01.29`	`cydork`	`yunhual: what do you mean by non-alternation?`
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`11:01.39`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: He always keep that name`
`11:01.46`	`Mazingaro`	`hi`
`11:02.00`	`Mazingaro`	`what happened to ftp.debian.org?`
`11:02.01`	`cydork`	`yunhual: sfdisk can be used noninteractively.`
`11:02.17`	`yunhual`	`cydork, thank you`
`11:02.21`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: Sid in Toy Story, breaks a bit everything`
`11:02.30`	`pmv`	`hehe`
`11:02.36`	`pmv`	`breaks toys`
`11:02.37`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, i know who sid is :P but it could have a versio number`
`11:02.55`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, something like 6.66 :P`
`11:03.06`	`yunhual`	`cydork, is fdisk cannot be used noninteractively ?`
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`11:04.08`	`geo-rge`	`yunhual: there's sfdisk`
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`11:04.15`	`itchi`	`Mazingaro: Nothings, maybe you local ISP DNS server ??`
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`11:04.53`	`unseensoul`	`hi`
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`11:06.45`	`unseensoul`	`a few weeks ago i've compiled mplayer and then i've installed mozilla-mplayer and it worked. now i compiled mplayer but mozilla-mplayer doesn't work well. did i forget to install any package?`
`11:06.54`	`yunhual`	`can i use sfdisk in busybox ?`
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`11:07.18`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, you feel like reading a "stageverslag" about a server i manage... ?`
`11:07.47`	`lastnode_`	`yunhual, i reckon you can.`
`11:07.53`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: This evening, yeah, maybe fun`
`11:08.31`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, will probably be fryday, im not done yet :P`
`11:08.43`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: You know where i am ;-)`
`11:08.57`	`geo-rge`	`yunhual: I'm starting to think you'd be better served if you were much more specific and infomative about what you're trying to do`
`11:08.58`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, still need to write the installation of sarge, and how i got it to work as a webserver and a gateway`
`11:09.25`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: If you need screenshots, take it of osdir`
`11:09.38`	`RvGaTe`	`!osdir`
`11:10.03`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: http://shots.osdir.com/`
`11:11.29`	`itchi`	`!osdir`
`11:11.29`	`dpkg`	`[osdir] at http://shots.osdir.com/`
`11:11.36`	`itchi`	`At least that now :-p`
`11:11.52`	`E-bola`	`Would i see any performance increase if i used a -686 kernel instaid of a -486 on my P3 system?`
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`11:16.45`	`itchi`	`E-bola: If you have many memory for example, then yes`
`11:16.59`	`E-bola`	`many memory?`
`11:17.05`	`E-bola`	`how much is that?`
`11:17.19`	`itchi`	`E-bola: 960 MB i think`
`11:17.37`	`E-bola`	`hmmmm dont think thats correct`
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`11:20.54`	`geo-rge`	`4g and up these days`
`11:21.07`	`geo-rge`	`that's many memories`
`11:21.20`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: These days ... With kernel .17 and up`
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`11:22.24`	`geo-rge`	`you just reminded me to check free... it does in fact show my 2g :)`
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`11:23.58`	`geo-rge`	`damn, it removed glxgears`
`11:24.09`	`geo-rge`	`!find glxgears`
`11:24.21`	`rejurajeev`	`\quit`
`11:24.22`	`dpkg`	`Debian Search of 'glxgears' (3): (/usr/bin/glxgears) in x11/mesa-utils ;; (/usr/bin/fgl_glxgears) in non-free/x11/fglrx-driver ;; (/usr/share/mesademos/progs/xdemos/{glxgears.c\|glxgears_fbconfig.c}) in graphics/mesademos.`
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`11:24.38`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Look to /msg dpkg selftell ;-)`
`11:25.04`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: It is in mesa-utils`
`11:25.19`	`geo-rge`	`and fglrx-driver?`
`11:25.28`	`geo-rge`	`can I finally build that thing yet`
`11:25.34`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: That's somethings others, that's a package`
`11:25.48`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: You should get it`
`11:26.19`	`geo-rge`	`well it does say RADEON when it loads... let's see if dr is on`
`11:28.35`	`geo-rge`	`OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect`
`11:28.59`	`geo-rge`	`that would be the slow, indirect renderer, yes?`
`11:29.18`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: You not have it, it's Mesa`
`11:29.29`	`geo-rge`	`yeah, that's what I thought`
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`11:29.55`	`TheNut`	`Woah 600?`
`11:30.43`	`TheNut`	`This is even bigger than I remember.`
`11:31.05`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Yeah and splitted on 2 networks`
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`11:31.41`	`TheNut`	`Excessive idle:active ratio?`
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`11:32.35`	`itchi`	`!debstats`
`11:32.35`	`dpkg`	`debstats is probably managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/`
`11:32.44`	`TheNut`	`So anyway, I'm trying to install qemu on ubuntu (yeah I know but it's a work machine) and I need to build proll.`
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`11:32.48`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Look to it ;-) ^`
`11:32.52`	`TheNut`	`proll has Build-Depends-Indep: sparc-utils`
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`11:33.08`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Your in the wrong #channel`
`11:33.10`	`TheNut`	`sparc-utils doesn't build (or for that matter install) on i386.`
`11:33.55`	`itchi`	`TheNut: The qemu source of the Etch release have an bug, you can not install it. But that will not help you.`
`11:34.15`	`TheNut`	`No, because I'm using the sid source.`
`11:34.40`	`itchi`	`TheNut: But not Debian :-p`
`11:34.47`	`TheNut`	`Well no.`
`11:35.00`	`TheNut`	`I'm sure this same problem would arise if I tried it on the sarge box at home.`
`11:35.25`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Wich arch have you?`
`11:35.27`	`TheNut`	`namely that an i386 deb depends on an all deb which build-depends on a sparc deb.`
`11:35.35`	`TheNut`	`i386.`
`11:35.38`	`RvGaTe`	`Where is my hostname stored ?`
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`11:36.12`	`RvGaTe`	`nvm, bum`
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`11:36.16`	`h3sp4wn`	`TheNut: Those deb's are only firmware`
`11:36.27`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: /etc/hostname`
`11:36.32`	`quitte`	`TheNut: can you show the line in the control file that makes you think it build depends on a sprc binary?`
`11:36.39`	`TheNut`	`Well yes, I could just install proll without building it.`
`11:36.47`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, <RvGaTe> nvm, bum , but thx anyway:P`
`11:36.56`	`TheNut`	`I'm curious though why the depend is in there and how it works in general.`
`11:37.07`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: Yeah, i not know what nvm, bum mean haha`
`11:37.26`	`TheNut`	`Source: proll`
`11:37.28`	`TheNut`	`Build-Depends-Indep: sparc-utils`
`11:37.47`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, nvm = never mind... bum = .... well... bum... :P`
`11:38.08`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: That's not yet clear to tell that it's solved ;-)`
`11:38.17`	`h3sp4wn`	`TheNut: You will most probably have a similar problem with 'openhackware'`
`11:38.31`	`TheNut`	`Probablt. I'll get to that one momentarily.`
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`11:39.23`	`TheNut`	`Does the auto build system work out which arch to compile arch-independent binaries on and leave building them up to you?`
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`11:39.51`	`TheNut`	`ie. if you want to manually back-port.`
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`11:40.23`	`h3sp4wn`	`TheNut: You could use dpkg-cross and a cross toolchain if you really wanted to`
`11:40.44`	`quitte`	`or you could just buil the arch specific debs`
`11:41.03`	`TheNut`	`I see.`
`11:41.40`	`quitte`	`still it seems really weird that a arch:all packagecan only be built on sprc`
`11:42.27`	`TheNut`	`Yes.`
`11:42.48`	`itchi`	`I have build qemu from (debian's) source lesser than a week ago, taked of the sid repo. i386 here`
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`11:46.50`	`cast`	`greetings.`
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`11:51.08`	`Gnea`	`wooo, new netfilter`
`11:51.17`	`Gnea`	`1.3.7`
`11:51.35`	`TheNut`	`Well that answers that. qemu is installed fine.`
`11:51.41`	`TheNut`	`Bit of a weird one though.`
`11:52.23`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Build on the Debian box?`
`11:53.03`	`TheNut`	`It would still need the sparc binary installed.`
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`11:54.17`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Not on that Debain box, it's looks`
`11:54.43`	`TheNut`	`Queh?`
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`11:55.02`	`itchi`	`TheNut: You have install it on that Ubuntu box or Debian?`
`11:55.07`	`TheNut`	`Ubuntu.`
`11:55.24`	`TheNut`	`The only Debian box I have access to is my server at home.`
`11:55.29`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Ah, then i not care about it, it should be normal then`
`11:55.45`	`TheNut`	`Though, while it was fun, I think I will change my desktop back to sid.`
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`11:57.04`	`matteo`	`hi all`
`11:57.13`	`matteo`	`how can I tell apt to prefer ipv4 on ipv6?`
`11:58.13`	`Gnea`	`matteo: don't use ipv6 addresses in sources.list`
`11:58.26`	`opensores`	`Should Sarge come with MySQL?`
`11:58.34`	`matteo`	`Gnea: ftp.it.debian.org has both ipv4 and ipv6`
`11:58.41`	`itchi`	`opensores: Yes`
`11:58.49`	`Gnea`	`matteo: tell it to use the ipv4 ip`
`11:59.02`	`matteo`	`Gnea: how?`
`11:59.03`	`Gnea`	`213.92.8.5`
`11:59.14`	`Gnea`	`http://213.92.8.5/yada stable`
`11:59.24`	`TheNut`	`Actually, on a vaguely related note, what is the magic incarnation to set up bridging on an eth configured via dhcp?`
`11:59.34`	`buscon`	`does anybody knows what egcs command is?`
`11:59.47`	`TheNut`	`opensores: It does.`
`11:59.53`	`TheNut`	`Sarge comes with nearly everything.`
`12:00.22`	`Gnea`	`buscon: heh, egcs was a version of gcc that was integrated into the current gcc`
`12:00.22`	`matteo`	`Gnea: it wont work`
`12:00.22`	`opensores`	`if i use 'apt-get install mysql' it says 'Package mysql is not available, but is referred to by another package.', it's not listed in Synaptic PM either`
`12:00.22`	`matteo`	`virtual hosts...`
`12:00.29`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Look to /msg dpkg dhcp client`
`12:00.31`	`buscon`	`Gnea: how can I intall it?`
`12:01.07`	`itchi`	`opensores: Search`
`12:01.10`	`Gnea`	`buscon: why would you? it's deprecated.`
`12:01.16`	`itchi`	`opensores: apt-cache search foo`
`12:01.17`	`RvGaTe`	`Lol, a colleague just went on a bike to get our lunch... mcdonalds all the way today :P`
`12:01.31`	`TheNut`	`Yeah that bits easy.`
`12:01.32`	`Gnea`	`buscon: we're talking about a compiler that was made obsolete several years ago`
`12:01.47`	`TheNut`	`I want to put it on a bridge.`
`12:01.50`	`buscon`	`Gnea: I've a makefile that's got egcs as LINKER`
`12:02.10`	`buscon`	`Gnea: can I substitute with gcc? which version?`
`12:02.14`	`Gnea`	`buscon: then change it from egcs to gcc`
`12:02.18`	`Gnea`	`buscon: any`
`12:02.28`	`buscon`	`Gnea: ok, thanx`
`12:02.33`	`TheNut`	`opensores: apt-cache search mysql\|grep ^mysql`
`12:02.40`	`itchi`	`TheNut: Maybe you need to look on TLDP`
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`12:03.15`	`cusco`	`opensores: you will either want mysql-server or mysql-client`
`12:03.16`	`opensores`	`mysql-server - mysql database server binaries`
`12:03.16`	`cusco`	`or both`
`12:03.21`	`opensores`	`ahh, thanks`
`12:03.31`	`Gnea`	`matteo: do you have ipv6 setup?`
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`12:24.22`	`belracu`	`how to setup ipv6 passthrough ??? my kernel 2.4.26`
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`12:30.08`	`Ramattack`	`hi everybody`
`12:30.55`	`Ramattack`	`I wanted to know how could I do for rsync to maintain files owner on remote bakcup`
`12:33.11`	`openexit`	`dont udnerstand what you mean`
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`12:33.53`	`Ramattack`	`well the next thing...`
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`12:34.08`	`Ramattack`	`I'm trying to rsync my mysql var directory`
`12:34.24`	`Ramattack`	`so I have set a rsync place on mysql machine`
`12:34.47`	`Ramattack`	`from another machine type rsync 192.168.1.100::copy /copy`
`12:35.45`	`mikeX`	`A) Is there a gui tool for managing init.d services? B) Is there a way to prevent package updates to re-enable init.d services?`
`12:35.45`	`Ramattack`	`and I get a copy of the files but it doen't preserve the 192.168.1.100 owner and group`
`12:35.48`	`openexit`	`yep`
`12:35.51`	`openexit`	`oooh i see`
`12:35.54`	`openexit`	`hold on`
`12:36.16`	`cast`	`Ramattack: what does -a do?`
`12:36.50`	`Ramattack`	`don't know exactly but I could say you it doen't preserve owner and group`
`12:36.52`	`openexit`	`-o`
`12:36.52`	`Ramattack`	`sure`
`12:36.53`	`openexit`	`and -g`
`12:37.02`	`openexit`	`-o = preserve owner`
`12:37.08`	`openexit`	`-g preserve group`
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`12:37.34`	`cast`	`Ramattack: are the gids and uids matching up on both machines?`
`12:37.37`	`h3sp4wn`	`mikeX: there is a few sysv-rc-conf was the one I used (before I switched to file-rc)`
`12:37.54`	`Ramattack`	`cast : probably not`
`12:38.03`	`Ramattack`	`but user and group exist in both machines`
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`12:38.56`	`mikeX`	`h3sp4wn: thanks`
`12:39.33`	`cast`	`Ramattack: so is it preserving the uid and the gid numbers then?`
`12:39.44`	`cast`	`even if they're mapped to different users`
`12:39.49`	`Ramattack`	`cast : yep as I'm seeing....`
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`12:40.21`	`cast`	`oh. hmmm.`
`12:40.23`	`mikeX`	`currently looking at bum, seems nice`
`12:40.28`	`Ramattack`	`but not wait`
`12:40.45`	`cast`	`it appears rsync should be able to deal with different uids corresponding to different users`
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`12:43.55`	`Ramattack`	`it's like`
`12:44.27`	`Ramattack`	`well mysql on (server from I want to mirror) is 1003`
`12:44.33`	`Ramattack`	`on local machine is qmaild user`
`12:44.38`	`Ramattack`	`with that iod`
`12:44.39`	`Ramattack`	`uid`
`12:44.54`	`Ramattack`	`and mysql exists too but with another uid`
`12:45.16`	`Ramattack`	`and if I launch rsync as a non root user`
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`12:45.28`	`Ramattack`	`then...`
`12:45.50`	`Ramattack`	`the user and group are the non root user I have used to launch`
`12:46.15`	`Ramattack`	`but for example if I launch rsync to mirror from one directory to another works properly`
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`12:46.59`	`admin123`	why does `tar cvjfzp` not tar symlinks?
`12:47.12`	`AmGull`	`how i can change locales forever ?`
`12:48.05`	`rhalff`	`how do I only recompile the gd module from php ?`
`12:48.19`	`rhalff`	`apt-get source php5-gd gives me the entire php source`
`12:48.30`	`Ramattack`	`AmGull : dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`12:48.45`	`cast`	`admin123: eh. jz? why?`
`12:49.13`	`cast`	`admin123: you can use j and z together? o_0`
`12:49.14`	`admin123`	`cast -j is a type`
`12:49.16`	`admin123`	`cast -j is a typi`
`12:49.17`	`admin123`	`cast -j is a typo`
`12:49.18`	`admin123`	`:P`
`12:49.23`	`cast`	`ahh.`
`12:51.54`	`abuyazan`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:52.08`	`cast`	`admin123: eh. tar cvf preserves symlinks for me, what are you typing again?`
`12:52.17`	`abuyazan`	`guys can some one help me`
`12:52.29`	`cast`	`admin123: did you mean h instead of j? -h will dereference symlinks`
`12:52.46`	`admin123`	`tar cpfzv foo.tar.gz /`
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`12:54.06`	`abuyazan`	`i cannot install any package , how can i solve this problem`
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`12:54.21`	`cast`	`hmm. all i can say is, within my simple test, spanning one file system, the symlinks end up in the archive`
`12:55.09`	`cast`	`abuyazan: by fixing the problem that renders you unable to install any package, i suppose.`
`12:55.19`	`h3sp4wn`	`abuyazan: don't install ubuntu packages on debian or ask #ubuntu`
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`12:56.27`	`Ramattack`	`cast openexit at last get`
`12:56.32`	`Ramattack`	`that's what happened`
`12:56.40`	`Ramattack`	`it gets uid and gid`
`12:56.57`	`Ramattack`	`and it sets you the meaning on local machine to that uid and gid`
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`12:57.36`	`RvGaTe`	`lol, colleague of my is selling a customer MS Office for 220 euro !!... what a ripoff...`
`12:57.47`	`Ramattack`	`I suppose if you execute rsync as a non root user it cant read passwd so it sets as owner and group to non root user`
`12:58.00`	`Ramattack`	`but get at last`
`12:58.05`	`Ramattack`	`thanks a lot guys`
`12:58.16`	`cast`	`it can read /etc/passwd, but i don't think when rsync runs as nonroot it can chown to just anybody, right?`
`12:58.31`	`cast`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:58.32`	`cast`	chown: changing ownership of `test': Operation not permitted
`12:58.44`	`Ramattack`	`I see then`
`12:58.51`	`Ramattack`	`that was the entire reason`
`12:59.06`	`Ramattack`	`thanks very very lot guys`
`12:59.19`	`cast`	`it can't*`
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`13:10.28`	`Ramattack`	`thanks a lot people all well noted`
`13:10.32`	`Ramattack`	`bye!`
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`13:20.09`	`E-bola`	`i simply cant get it working`
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`13:28.20`	`MatBoy`	`cydork, he man... did you had any (beer)breakfast already ?`
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`13:36.10`	`[DHX]`	`I need to enable ssl for vhost for vhost linked to the 443 port but I wonder if I need to write SSLEngine off in every other vhosts. Is it off by default ?`
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`13:36.57`	`e319`	`how can i do an apt-get install weithout being prompted (y/n) to download/install? looking to write a shelll script to automate some config stuff -`
`13:37.07`	`cast`	`e319: -y`
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`13:39.56`	`streuner`	`!nickometer [DHX]`
`13:39.57`	`dpkg`	`'[DHX]' is 34.000% lame, streuner`
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`13:41.09`	`tralala`	`streuner, bad mood?`
`13:42.18`	`optraz`	`hello, where can i find the repo for gnutella ?`
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`13:42.49`	`Ronin`	`optraz: apt-get install doesnt work for you?`
`13:42.59`	`RvGaTe`	`How can i check how many packages i can install? normally i could do this by updating and checking the result.. something like: xxxx packages are availeble`
`13:43.06`	`optraz`	`Ronin, apt-cache search return no result of gnutella`
`13:43.29`	`Ronin`	`does here on sarge, perhaps in non -free`
`13:43.34`	`tralala`	`info gtk-gnutella`
`13:43.41`	`tralala`	`!info gtk-gnutella`
`13:43.45`	`dpkg`	`gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section net, is optional. Version: 0.96.1svn12109-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2261 kB, Installed size: 7668 kB`
`13:44.06`	`optraz`	`mmm using etch here`
`13:44.23`	`tralala`	`optraz: /msg dpkg search`
`13:44.23`	`Winkie`	`hey guys, is there a useful tool to administer apt-get etc remotely? so i can install / update etc on several machines at once?`
`13:44.29`	`optraz`	`k`
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`13:44.40`	`tralala`	`Winkie, ssh (+ screen)`
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`13:45.02`	`Ronin`	`tralala: doesnt exactly do multiple machines at once though does it?`
`13:45.06`	`optraz`	`tralala, return no result`
`13:45.39`	`petemc`	`cluster ssh`
`13:46.04`	`Ronin`	`optraz: just checked my etch box and apt-cache gnutella returns results`
`13:46.12`	`Ronin`	`optraz: post your sources.list`
`13:46.12`	`Winkie`	`tralala: i'm looking for more like a simple GUI displaying common packages or something akin to that`
`13:46.18`	`optraz`	`okie`
`13:46.40`	`tralala`	`Ronin, not exactly at once, but it's trivial to automate it`
`13:46.51`	`optraz`	`Ronin, can u paste your sources.list as well ?`
`13:47.13`	`e319`	`can Bash do sockets?`
`13:47.19`	`tralala`	`Winkie, common packages? What about the individual ones?`
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`13:47.35`	`Winkie`	`tralala: well the idea is that most of these machines i want to administer should be almost identical`
`13:47.44`	`streuner`	`tralala: do you ask everyone who using '!nickometer' about there mood?`
`13:47.46`	`optraz`	`Ronin, http://pastebin.ca/269302`
`13:47.58`	`optraz`	`e319, can u explain more`
`13:47.59`	`optraz`	`?`
`13:48.14`	`sam_uk`	`i am trying to compile cinelerra from source and it says error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_STATIC .. failed with exit status: 1`
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`13:49.00`	`tralala`	`streuner, no but [nick] is pretty common and I haven't notice you meter them all`
`13:49.04`	`e319`	`optraz: eg listen on a port, receive a connection blockt he source...`
`13:49.20`	`e319`	`also, if i use the -y option for apt-get do i use it before install or after?`
`13:49.22`	`sam_uk`	`could it be to do with wron versions of automake?`
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`13:50.04`	`yassinework`	`how can i copy a number of lines while im in vimdiff mode from R2L im using :y NrOfLines and paste it in the second window but im sure there is a better way doing this any ideas please ?`
`13:50.11`	`Ronin`	`optraz: http://pastebin.ca/269309`
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`13:50.47`	`optraz`	`e319, mmm that im not sure, but it is interesting if bash can listen on a port. try #bash`
`13:51.15`	`tralala`	`Winkie, the easiest way probably is "for host in hostlist; do ssh root@$host <command>; done" where command can include starting apt-get in a screen session and detaching it`
`13:51.50`	`optraz`	`Ronin, u using sarge?`
`13:51.54`	`Morydd`	`I'm having some trouble with (I believe) iptables. firewall box can see outside world and LAN, but LAN boxes can only see inside the firewall.`
`13:52.16`	`Winkie`	`tralala: well I mean i could do it that way, but i was hoping for some sort of package that actually provided a nice GUI and did all the legwork for me`
`13:52.28`	`Winkie`	`I know how to script it if needed but it'd be nicer to have a GUI :)`
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`13:52.57`	`Ronin`	`optraz: yep but my etch sources.list looks almost identical except for the distro`
`13:53.16`	`optraz`	`ok`
`13:53.25`	`tralala`	`Winkie, I'm not aware of one and I think it would be pretty difficult to have something sane`
`13:53.37`	`optraz`	`need to get some files off gnutella, any other way ?`
`13:54.15`	`Ronin`	`buy the app/music/pr0n ;)`
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`13:54.22`	`Winkie`	`tralala: I thought as much, thanks anyway :)`
`13:54.35`	`cast`	`Morydd: http://www.debianadmin.com/activate-nat-on-debian-etch-and-disable-ipv6-support-on-debian.html some of that might be relevent`
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`13:54.46`	`cast`	`net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 in particular`
`13:54.54`	`optraz`	`Ronin, LOL, im on free software, i hope the song is free too ;)`
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`13:55.49`	`tralala`	`optraz, if it is it should be easy to find it for downloading using google`
`13:56.05`	`optraz`	`mmm... downloading using google?!`
`13:56.23`	`tralala`	`finding it using google`
`13:56.42`	`tralala`	`if you're able to download it using google more power to you`
`13:56.43`	`optraz`	`ahh... ok, but i dont like bittorent`
`13:56.44`	`sam_uk`	`how do you get a older version of a package using apt pls?`
`13:57.50`	`tralala`	`sam_uk: /msg dpkg sdn`
`13:58.58`	`sam_uk`	`packagename/msg dpkg sdn being the correct syntax?`
`13:59.26`	`optraz`	`!sdn`
`13:59.26`	`dpkg`	`sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems.`
`13:59.49`	`tralala`	`sam_uk, /msg being irc command`
`13:59.58`	`tralala`	`anyway see above`
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`14:00.10`	`sam_uk`	`Ok thx`
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`14:01.42`	`rza`	`hello boys and girls`
`14:01.52`	`rza`	`im having minor issues with my ide chipset`
`14:02.01`	`Phr3x0r`	`Hi`
`14:02.05`	`rza`	`00:03.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation Q963/Q965 PT IDER Controller (rev 02)`
`14:02.17`	`rza`	`any ideas is that supported?`
`14:02.58`	`Phr3x0r`	`can someone help me configure my usb mouse, i just compiled a new kernel and now my mouse isn't working?`
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`14:03.13`	`rza`	`Phr3x0r: you dont have usb hid support`
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`14:03.20`	`frafra`	`hi all`
`14:03.21`	`rza`	`or correct module is net loaded`
`14:03.24`	`rza`	`hello frafra`
`14:03.25`	`jelly`	`rza: take a look at the last url in /msg dpkg hcl`
`14:03.42`	`rza`	`jelly: i got everything installed`
`14:03.43`	`frafra`	`is it possible to get kde 3.80.2 (aka 4.x) on my debian box?`
`14:03.51`	`rza`	`i booted via PXE netboot`
`14:03.56`	`rza`	`and installed`
`14:04.03`	`rza`	`im having issues with cdrom mostly`
`14:04.15`	`jelly`	`rza: what kinds of issues?`
`14:04.21`	`Phr3x0r`	`yeah, do you know which modules i need to activate to auto detect my mouse on bootup?`
`14:04.24`	`rza`	`jelly: its not found`
`14:04.48`	`jelly`	`rza: Is it an IDE or a SATA device?`
`14:04.59`	`rza`	`cdrom is IDE`
`14:05.07`	`rza`	`thats why i presume im lacking ide chipset support`
`14:05.20`	`jelly`	`rza: oh, that's the nly IDE device?`
`14:05.22`	`tralala`	`Phr3x0r: /msg dpkg mousedev`
`14:05.24`	`rza`	`jelly: yes`
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`14:05.31`	`sam_uk`	`Still did not fix my problem; i am trying to compile cinelerra from source and it says error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_STATIC .. failed with exit status: 1`
`14:05.33`	`jelly`	`rza: I'd try a newer kernel.`
`14:05.39`	`rza`	`jelly: i got 2.6.19`
`14:05.43`	`rza`	`self compiled`
`14:05.51`	`rza`	`what would you try next ?`
`14:05.51`	`jelly`	`rza: heh.`
`14:05.52`	`rza`	`:)`
`14:06.04`	`calmar`	`hi all. I think my apache2.conf is out of order. How can i install apach2 again, building new /etc/apach2/... ?`
`14:06.12`	`rza`	`calmar: yes`
`14:06.26`	`rza`	`remove /etc/apache2/ && apt-get remove --purge apache2`
`14:06.27`	`tralala`	`rza, next you try to compile it again`
`14:06.28`	`jelly`	`rza: were the ide channels even detected?`
`14:06.39`	`rza`	`lemme show something that troubles me`
`14:06.52`	`openexit`	`ok guys, i've got a very important question to ask`
`14:07.02`	`rza`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:07.02`	`rza`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:07.06`	`rza`	`thats from lshw output`
`14:07.08`	`jelly`	`rza: next: your dmesg and .config, I guess`
`14:07.08`	`openexit`	`has anybody got ANY clue what i can get my girlfriend for chirstmas/her birthday`
`14:07.20`	`rza`	`looks like the ide interface is not claimed by any driver`
`14:07.41`	`jelly`	`openexit: does it have to be Debian related?`
`14:07.58`	`rza`	`openexit: i would get lingerie`
`14:08.00`	`cydork`	`MatBoy: not yet :)`
`14:08.09`	`rza`	`openexit: i just built www.1st4lingerie.com (hence the idea)`
`14:08.12`	`rza`	`anyway`
`14:08.13`	`MatBoy`	`cydork, hehe`
`14:08.18`	`rza`	`jelly: ide channels are found`
`14:08.20`	`calmar`	`rza: I did that. then I did a apt-get install apach2 . but still no /etc/apache2/ hm`
`14:08.36`	`jelly`	`rza: your dmesg and .config might be helpful`
`14:08.37`	`rza`	`calmar: did you --purge ?`
`14:08.39`	`openexit`	`mmm yeah thats always a good idea`
`14:08.40`	`rza`	`jelly: sec`
`14:08.45`	`openexit`	`but im looking for something "different"`
`14:08.48`	`calmar`	`rza: yes`
`14:08.53`	`calmar`	`like you said.`
`14:08.57`	`openexit`	`jelly - nah ;)`
`14:09.00`	`tralala`	`openexit, give her a set of debian dvds`
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`14:09.49`	`aubergine`	`Hi i have a crypted tcl file on my pc which is running, how can i encryped it?`
`14:09.54`	`tralala`	`for s390...`
`14:09.55`	`calmar`	`(rza: in fact I purged and installed that thing various times with aptitute so. :()`
`14:10.00`	`tralala`	`now, that would be different`
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`14:10.09`	`rza`	`jelly: http://valokuva.org/~mikko/debug`
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`14:10.23`	`Ketju`	`I am hoping somebody could help me with an odd issue that has appeared on one of my boxes recently. Out of nowhere cronjobs started reporting "Must be connected to terminal" and stopped running. The two jobs in question are rules_de_jour (a spam assasin script) and logcheck. Any ideas what I broke?`
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`14:11.27`	`calmar`	`rza: I get it now I think. I will report`
`14:12.15`	`tralala`	`Ketju, testing/unstable?`
`14:12.20`	`Ketju`	`unstable`
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`14:12.58`	`Ketju`	`Err, according to /etc/debian_version 4.0 :)`
`14:13.18`	`Ketju`	`using unstable in my apt sources`
`14:13.40`	`Ketju`	`Also invoking logcheck via sudo gives the same results.`
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`14:14.19`	`calmar`	`rza: removing apache2-utils or so, did the trick finally. thanks so`
`14:14.54`	`rdz`	`hi all. i am not quite sure, if this is the right channel to ask, but i try: i made a bash-script, that kills an application (mplayer), downloads file using wget and starts the application again. the script works fine, when executing in the bash, but it is executed by crontab, the application is not started again, though the rest of the script works.`
`14:15.12`	`rdz`	`oops`
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`14:15.28`	`rdz`	`seems that i have written the most part in white...`
`14:15.43`	`tralala`	`rdz, missing DISPLAY?`
`14:15.46`	`rdz`	`hi all. i am not quite sure, if this is the right channel to ask, but i try: i made a bash-script, that kills an application (mplayer), downloads file using wget and starts the application again. the script works fine, when executing in the bash, but it is executed by crontab, the application is not started again, though the rest of the script works.`
`14:15.47`	`Ketju`	`Thankfully this channel is +c and colors are stripped.`
`14:15.56`	`rza`	`jelly: any ideas?`
`14:16.07`	`rdz`	`tralala, i don't know how to change the color`
`14:16.19`	`rdz`	`can't explain why that happened`
`14:16.23`	`tralala`	`rdz, don't change the colour and don't repeat`
`14:16.50`	`tralala`	`your cronjob must be missing the DISPLAY variable`
`14:17.03`	`rdz`	`tralala, i am sorry, i didn't want to change the color (how is that done?)`
`14:17.12`	`rdz`	`tralala, what is the display variable for?`
`14:17.22`	`Ketju`	`rdz: You're better off NOT knowing how to use color on IRC :)`
`14:17.30`	`sam_uk`	`anyone feel like helping a newbie compile cinelerra?`
`14:17.32`	`rdz`	`Ketju, ok`
`14:17.34`	`rdz`	`;-)`
`14:17.45`	`raf256`	`why not include vim instead vi in base distro?`
`14:17.50`	`raf256`	`vi is horrible`
`14:17.56`	`tralala`	`rdz, anyway running X apps from cron is not a great idea`
`14:18.00`	`petemc`	`raf256: size is an issue`
`14:18.08`	`raf256`	`petemc: so some minimal vim`
`14:18.08`	`jelly`	`rza: well, I don't see any non-sata channels being detected. Maybe, just maybe, the PATA channel could work with the libata driver too`
`14:18.12`	`rdz`	`tralala, nothing uses X`
`14:18.17`	`petemc`	`raf256: file a bug`
`14:18.21`	`rdz`	`all applications run on debian server`
`14:18.26`	`jelly`	`rza: boot options to add: libata.atapi_enabled=1 combined_mode=libata`
`14:18.30`	`tralala`	`rdz, so what does mplayer use?`
`14:18.32`	`rdz`	`without a Xsessio running`
`14:18.42`	`rdz`	`tralala, mplayer is commandline based`
`14:18.47`	`rza`	`jelly:`
`14:18.49`	`rza`	`cat /etc/modprobe.conf`
`14:18.49`	`rza`	`options libata atapi_enabled=1`
`14:18.53`	`rza`	`got it already`
`14:18.58`	`rza`	`hmm`
`14:19.08`	`rza`	`combined_mode ?`
`14:19.10`	`rza`	`whats that?`
`14:19.18`	`tralala`	`rdz, and where is the video displayed?`
`14:19.27`	`jelly`	`rza: dunno, I copy/pasted it from the web and in worked ;-)`
`14:19.30`	`rdz`	`tralala, it is nothing about video, but sound`
`14:19.34`	`Ketju`	`I think mplayer is an ncurses media player.`
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`14:19.47`	`rdz`	`tralala, when i execute that script manually, i am logged in trough ssh`
`14:19.58`	`rza`	`jelly: ok, lemme try`
`14:19.59`	`rza`	`sec`
`14:20.03`	`Ketju`	`rdz: I think it is because it's not being run by a terminal, and ncurses requires a terminal`
`14:20.05`	`rdz`	`so it should be the same situation`
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`14:20.17`	`tralala`	`rdz, do you get an error message from cron?`
`14:20.34`	`Ketju`	`and cron isn't interactive.`
`14:20.36`	`rdz`	`tralala, /home/all/stream_netpd_rec/daily_init.sh: line 7: kill: (12265) - No such process`
`14:20.46`	`rdz`	`which is because, the application was not running`
`14:20.53`	`petemc`	`Ketju: mplayer doesnt use curses`
`14:20.56`	`rdz`	`but i don't see an error, why it didn't start`
`14:20.58`	`Ketju`	`It doesnt?`
`14:21.06`	`petemc`	`not to my knowledge`
`14:21.06`	`Ketju`	`I thought it was the console menu driven one.`
`14:21.09`	`Ketju`	`Heh.`
`14:21.14`	`Ketju`	`Ok, I'll shut up then :)`
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`14:21.17`	`rdz`	`Ketju, how can i check that? if it uses ncurses?`
`14:21.20`	`rdz`	`aha`
`14:21.20`	`rdz`	`ok`
`14:21.24`	`Ketju`	`and go back to the mighty google for my issue.`
`14:21.36`	`jelly`	`petemc: mplayer does use the terminal though.`
`14:21.44`	`petemc`	`right..`
`14:21.51`	`rza`	`jelly: booting..`
`14:22.01`	`rdz`	`jelly, this the reason why it doesn't work?`
`14:22.03`	`tralala`	`rdz, why do you play audio with mplayer anyway?`
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`14:22.21`	`rdz`	`tralala, please lets keep the discussion to my problem`
`14:22.25`	`jelly`	`rdz: let me take a look at /lastlog first`
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`14:22.44`	`rdz`	`tralala, i am streaming a lot of formats and mplayer is the only solution for this task`
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`14:23.12`	`tralala`	`rdz, try -really-quited`
`14:23.17`	`tralala`	`quiet`
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`14:23.34`	`rza`	`hmm`
`14:23.42`	`rza`	`jelly: cdrecord -scanbus still returns nothing`
`14:24.00`	`rza`	`/de/cdrom or /dev/dvd nodes arent created`
`14:24.10`	`rdz`	`tralala, i use alread '-really-quiet'`
`14:24.11`	`Renfield`	`Can someone explain to me how debian brings up the network interface on boot?`
`14:24.21`	`jelly`	`rza: I wouldn't trust cdrecord on Linux, dmesg is a better place to look for devices`
`14:24.35`	`Renfield`	`I've changed some things, but now even after changing them back debian will not configure eth0.`
`14:24.48`	`rza`	`jelly: nothing there`
`14:25.02`	`jelly`	`rdz: is the script running under the user having enough privileges to access the device (I assume you're trying to play some media)?`
`14:25.05`	`tralala`	`rdz, erm... may mplayer wants a terminal. Try to run it under dtach/screen`
`14:25.19`	`tralala`	`maybe`
`14:25.40`	`jelly`	`mplayer stuff < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1 might work better`
`14:26.19`	`rdz`	`tralala, ah, ok. i try that. thank you for your help`
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`14:26.44`	`tralala`	`rdz: you're welcome`
`14:26.45`	`rdz`	`jelly, thanks. i am already using that`
`14:27.01`	`calmar`	`on debian, there seems to be no control-center for postgres, or is there? only webmin (what I can't get to run)?`
`14:27.09`	`Ketju`	`Can anybody at least suggest a google search phrase to find answers for my issue?`
`14:27.43`	`defi__3x`	`Hi everyone, I'm getting constant lockups using nfs on "etch"; any ideas, known bugs?`
`14:28.42`	`Renfield`	`What does the line "allow-hotplug eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces mean?`
`14:29.16`	`rdz`	`tralala, jelly , here is the script, maybe you see somthing obvious, that i am doing wrong: http://www.romanhaefeli.net/daily_init.txt`
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`14:30.40`	`jelly`	`rdz: you didn't close stdin there.`
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`14:30.55`	`rdz`	`jelly, where?`
`14:31.22`	`jelly`	`rdz: in the script... you said you already use mplayer < /dev/null ...`
`14:31.23`	`tralala`	`rdz, mplayer bla-bla < /dev/null`
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`14:34.18`	`acdimalev`	`anybody know wtf about lg-meta?`
`14:34.18`	`rdz`	`tralala, i admit, i just copied the mplayer line from somewhere else. what exactly is wrong about it?`
`14:35.10`	`tralala`	`rdz, it's just a guess - try to use /dev/null for stdin as (repeatedly) shown above`
`14:35.18`	`acdimalev`	`mplayer problem?`
`14:35.27`	`tralala`	`no`
`14:35.44`	`tralala`	`rdz, it it doesn't work run in inside dtach/screen`
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`14:36.14`	`nunu`	`has anyone problems with blender in debian unstable ?`
`14:36.23`	`nunu`	`can't start ir`
`14:36.26`	`azeem`	`nunu: check the bug reports`
`14:37.16`	`jelly`	`rza: no idea then -> lkml or libata mailing list and search for support to that chipset / lspci -n`
`14:38.30`	`nunu`	`azeem, is there ONE page, where all bugs are listed ? I can only find weeird pages :/`
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`14:38.45`	`rza`	`jelly: testing a hot tip`
`14:38.47`	`rza`	`brb`
`14:38.54`	`azeem`	`!bts`
`14:38.55`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
`14:38.56`	`rdz`	`tralala, still the same`
`14:39.13`	`tralala`	`rdz, go for dtach then`
`14:39.25`	`rdz`	`crontab does kill it, but not restart it again`
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`14:39.40`	`KRIKO`	`hello`
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`14:40.10`	`KRIKO`	`i have even installed debian on my pc but i dunno how can i start the desktop from the shell after login`
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`14:40.32`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: did you choose the desktop task?`
`14:40.40`	`acdimalev`	`startx or xinit, assuming you're talking about x-windows KRIKO`
`14:40.53`	`KRIKO`	`dure the installation? yes`
`14:41.06`	`KRIKO`	`i have installed it on vmware`
`14:41.11`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: what does dpkg -l xterm say?`
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`14:41.14`	`azeem`	`hrm`
`14:41.24`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: run tasksel as root`
`14:41.33`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: check whether the desktop task is really selected`
`14:41.42`	`acdimalev`	`...`
`14:42.33`	`KRIKO`	`hahahaha it was installed as mail server how ever`
`14:42.42`	`pngwn`	`/c/c`
`14:43.01`	`azeem`	`then you chose the wrong option, select the desktop task (with the space bar) and hit OK`
`14:43.16`	`blue_sky`	`my ISP says our mailserver (for receiving by SMTP) must have a hostname of "mailgate". Is it possible to create an alias for a machine? It's quite happy being called brian and other machines are happy with that too, so is it possible to have an alias hostname?`
`14:43.16`	`KRIKO`	`these r the results when u let a windows user install linux`
`14:43.39`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: I don't see how that matters.`
`14:43.39`	`acdimalev`	`azeem, does tasksel no longer select every other gnome and kde package in existance on desktop install?`
`14:43.42`	`pipeline`	`KRIKO: and dis iz da resultz when u let fucs lik u spl bdly.`
`14:43.52`	`azeem`	`acdimalev: sure, but how is that relevant?`
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`14:44.01`	`KRIKO`	`just a joke`
`14:44.12`	`azeem`	`pipeline: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for offensive behaviour`
`14:44.17`	`acdimalev`	`azeem, using a gun to kill a fly...`
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`14:44.40`	`azeem`	`acdimalev: speak for yourself, the desktop task is totally appropriate`
`14:45.16`	`acdimalev`	`yeah, I am speaking for myself`
`14:45.33`	`azeem`	`good.`
`14:46.06`	`KRIKO`	`i am totally new at linux, is debian a good choise?`
`14:46.16`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: it is not a bad choice anyway`
`14:46.28`	`azeem`	`also, what kind of answer do you expect in this channel?`
`14:46.35`	`KRIKO`	`hehe`
`14:46.49`	`KRIKO`	`some says ubuntu is better`
`14:46.51`	`blue_sky`	`KRIKO, it might be a better choice it you're not new to Linux. Newbies may be better with ubuntu or similar`
`14:46.58`	`Ronin`	`KRIKO: it may be for a new users to be honest`
`14:47.00`	`rfrank`	`KRIKO, no, choose ubuntu`
`14:47.15`	`rfrank`	`KRIKO, it is based of debian, very easy to use and good learning environment for linux`
`14:47.16`	`Ronin`	`KRIKO: i wouldnt say better but perhaps easier at first`
`14:47.19`	`tralala`	`KRIKO, it might be depending on the definition of "better"`
`14:47.36`	`rfrank`	`KRIKO, its debian's retarted cousin but a good place to start`
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`14:47.38`	`Zap-W`	`say, xinetd dosent need tcpd for using tcp_wrappers?`
`14:47.44`	`KRIKO`	`ok i will try first debian, when its too difficult i try ubuntu`
`14:47.47`	`acdimalev`	`KRIKO, ubuntu is a debian distribution... you might want to start there where things tend to "just work" until you get the hang of using a debian-based system`
`14:48.03`	`azeem`	`debian mostly "just works" as well.`
`14:48.14`	`rfrank`	`azeem, yes, but ubuntu just works more`
`14:48.23`	`acdimalev`	`yeah, but debian has a lot of options and hands-on work`
`14:48.28`	`tralala`	`azeem, unless you happen to have radeon video card which is not recognized by the "ati" X driver`
`14:48.36`	`Zap-W`	`and redhat just works even more more`
`14:48.41`	`azeem`	`let's not get into this discussion.`
`14:48.43`	`rfrank`	`ahhh redhat`
`14:48.45`	`rfrank`	`aahhhgh`
`14:48.46`	`acdimalev`	`and redhat just breaks even more`
`14:48.54`	`acdimalev`	`not topic for this channel`
`14:48.57`	`rfrank`	`redhat = brokenhat`
`14:49.01`	`madclicker`	`hi, what would be the reason that MS machines seeing the SMB share as full?`
`14:49.08`	`rza`	`madclicker: its full?`
`14:49.13`	`rfrank`	`hah`
`14:49.15`	`rfrank`	`beat me to it`
`14:49.17`	`madclicker`	`rza, no`
`14:49.25`	`madclicker`	`15% used`
`14:49.25`	`acdimalev`	`no write permissions?`
`14:49.39`	`acdimalev`	`samba server doesn't have root access`
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`14:49.47`	`Zap-W`	`madclicker, can you create files from the linux box on the share?`
`14:49.49`	`acdimalev`	`samba server is set to serve a read-only share`
`14:50.05`	`acdimalev`	`you have authentication set up with samba and you aren't properly authenticated`
`14:50.13`	`madclicker`	`acdimalev, it was working just fine yesterday and out of the blue I can't copy anymore files`
`14:50.43`	`acdimalev`	`if you want to take that stab at it, you could try restarting the samba service or try restarting the machine`
`14:51.02`	`Zap-W`	`look at the logs`
`14:51.08`	`Zap-W`	`logs tell all the secrets`
`14:51.20`	`rza`	`i got windows installation for gaming`
`14:51.23`	`madclicker`	Zap-W, mkdir: cannot create directory `test': No space left on device
`14:51.26`	`Zap-W`	`put a higher log level if not enouth info is there`
`14:51.26`	`rza`	`when i press scroll lock it bluescreens`
`14:51.39`	`rza`	`madclicker: df -h`
`14:51.46`	`rza`	`madclicker: and see the available space`
`14:51.49`	`Zap-W`	`lol`
`14:51.51`	`acdimalev`	`can anybody tell me if Linux Gazette is purposefully being removed from Debian or if the packages just aren't being maintained?`
`14:52.01`	`madclicker`	`rza, /dev/md5 58G 14G 41G 25% /home`
`14:52.23`	`Zap-W`	`maybe you are out of inodes`
`14:52.40`	`KRIKO`	`which virtual machine should i use for linux install`
`14:52.42`	`madclicker`	`Zap what do i do now?`
`14:52.55`	`rza`	`KRIKO: DOSEMU`
`14:53.04`	`azeem`	`rza: stop giving ill advice`
`14:53.17`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: you said you're using vmware, what is wrong with that?`
`14:53.24`	`rza`	`its slow on graphics`
`14:53.30`	`KRIKO`	`dunno, maybe an other is better :P`
`14:53.33`	`rza`	`unless its vmware desktop`
`14:53.43`	`rfrank`	`KRIKO, vmware works, thats what I used first time I wanted t otry linux :P`
`14:53.51`	`rza`	`rfrank: with X ?`
`14:53.52`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: if you're not having problems, don't go looking for them`
`14:54.00`	`fireba11`	`rfrank: if you want to try it use a live-CD`
`14:54.00`	`acdimalev`	`KRIKO, keep using vmware unless you want to install it to an actual disk partition`
`14:54.22`	`KRIKO`	`ok i stay by vmware#`
`14:54.24`	`rfrank`	`yeh, well I work only in linux now`
`14:54.26`	`rfrank`	`:P`
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`14:54.51`	`madclicker`	`Zap-W, what do i do ?`
`14:55.02`	`Zap-W`	`dunno , try dumpe2fs /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 \|grep "free inodes" \| awk '{print $7}'`
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`14:55.10`	`Zap-W`	`do you have numbers higher than 0 in there?`
`14:55.16`	`Zap-W`	`er`
`14:55.27`	`Zap-W`	`replace /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 with /dev/md5`
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`14:56.13`	`madclicker`	`Zap-W, i do, i have a whole bunch of numbers`
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`14:56.41`	`Zap-W`	`df -i -h`
`14:56.59`	`madclicker`	`Zap-W, /dev/md5 58K 58K 0 100% /home`
`14:57.15`	`azeem`	`there ya go`
`14:57.30`	`KRIKO`	`cant start startx or xinit it says fatl io error 104`
`14:57.36`	`Zap-W`	`no inodes left`
`14:57.43`	`Zap-W`	`madclicker, lots of small files in the directory?`
`14:57.43`	`madclicker`	`how do i fix it?`
`14:57.45`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: did you install the desktop task already?`
`14:57.49`	`KRIKO`	`yes`
`14:57.58`	`azeem`	`what does dpkg -l gdm say?`
`14:58.03`	`azeem`	`the last line only`
`14:58.05`	`madclicker`	`Zap-W, yes and i messed up with raid chanks`
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`14:58.20`	`madclicker`	`chunks`
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`14:58.42`	`KRIKO`	`ops it says many many lines :P`
`14:58.51`	`Zap-W`	`madclicker, delete the files , or increase the inode size , not sure if you have to recreate the FS on /dev/md5`
`14:58.54`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: "dpkg -l gdm \| tail -1"`
`14:59.11`	`madclicker`	`Zap-W, how do i increase the inode size`
`14:59.12`	`madclicker`	`?`
`14:59.26`	`jabka`	`when i do mount /dev/xxx where it takes the fs type of the parttion ?`
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`14:59.40`	`Eulex`	`-t fstype`
`14:59.46`	`Eulex`	`like -t ext3, -t ntfs etc`
`15:00.02`	`tralala`	`madclicker, if tune2fs cannot do it on the fly you'll have to recreate the filesystem`
`15:00.06`	`jabka`	`No, i meen when i don't ose 0t`
`15:00.08`	`KRIKO`	`some lines, shell i rite all down?`
`15:00.27`	`jabka`	`*use it`
`15:00.31`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: paste them on paste.debian.net`
`15:00.51`	`Zap-W`	`"Be warned that is not possible to expand the number of inodes on a filesystem after it is created, so be careful deciding the correct value for this parameter. " - from mkfs.ext3 manual`
`15:00.54`	`azeem`	`KRIKO: plus I doubt it is more than one line if you entered the command exactly as I wrote`
`15:02.07`	`Zap-W`	`madclicker, either backup the data , and recreate the filesystem with more inodes than before or delete these small files`
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`15:06.38`	`AmGull`	`please someone tell me - i have a kernel patch to apply , but also i have dayly snapshots . is the snapshot contains all ,or i need patch and snapshot ?`
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`15:08.00`	`lastnode`	`AmGull, what is the patch for?`
`15:08.26`	`AmGull`	`netfilter patch-o-matic-ng`
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`15:12.45`	`AmGull`	`lastnode:i meen - is dayly snapshots contains all of the patch-o-matic-ng ?`
`15:13.46`	`stew`	`AmGull: people in #iptables might know how to deal with POM + other patches better than us, it might be worth asking there`
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`15:14.46`	`AmGull`	`stew:thanx`
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`15:17.15`	`Dreamcast`	`i wanna do https ssh tunneling`
`15:17.22`	`Dreamcast`	`and the linux server (debian) is going to do it`
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`15:17.32`	`Dreamcast`	`to get me out of my school network, on my windows laptop`
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`15:17.35`	`fflush`	`Dreamcast: good for you :)`
`15:17.39`	`Dreamcast`	`does ANYONE have a guide for it?`
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`15:18.19`	`petemc`	`Dreamcast: add Port 443 to /etc/ssh/sshd_config`
`15:18.24`	`petemc`	`and restart ssh`
`15:18.42`	`fflush`	`putty to it from windows with -D`
`15:18.55`	`petemc`	`putty has a wee box to specify the port`
`15:18.55`	`fflush`	`that should setup a socket server locally`
`15:19.06`	`petemc`	`oh, the tunnel - right`
`15:19.07`	`madclicker`	`Zap-W, do you know how i delete a md partition and recreate it?`
`15:19.13`	`acdimalev`	`putty is available for windows with the same options`
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`15:19.27`	`Dreamcast`	`well our proxy uses NTLM`
`15:19.29`	`Dreamcast`	`or w/e`
`15:19.38`	`acdimalev`	`there's another option for the default ssh client in debian... something like -j`
`15:19.50`	`Dreamcast`	`sshd runs on port 443`
`15:20.31`	`acdimalev`	`rtfm or look up a guide. there are plenty of documents out there on tunnelling ports over an ssh connection`
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`15:21.53`	`rfrank`	`Can anyone here help me with dual monitors?`
`15:22.08`	`rfrank`	`For some reason when I move my mouse across to the other screen it shows a white box or garbage where my mouse should be`
`15:22.16`	`rfrank`	`around 1 inch by 1 inch on my 17" monitor`
`15:22.20`	`Dreamcast`	`acdimalev: however, for 2 hours most of them have been proved`
`15:22.21`	`Dreamcast`	`NOT to work`
`15:22.24`	`rfrank`	`other then that it works`
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`15:23.35`	`acdimalev`	`hmm... odd, sorry then, I haven't found a broken one yet. just a lot of them that didn't do quite what I wanted`
`15:23.39`	`acdimalev`	`putty -D`
`15:24.01`	`acdimalev`	`from the machine on the locked-down network to a machine on the Internet that you have ssh access to`
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`15:24.43`	`acdimalev`	`should work as long as ssh works and the remote server is set up to allow ports across the tunnel`
`15:24.50`	`acdimalev`	`hmm`
`15:24.54`	`acdimalev`	`might be your problem there`
`15:25.28`	`rdz`	`tralala, jelly i olved the problem`
`15:25.36`	`rdz`	`thank you very much for your help. guy`
`15:25.39`	`rdz`	`guys`
`15:25.45`	`tralala`	`rdz, what did you do?`
`15:26.15`	`rdz`	`giving the whole path, when invoking mplayer: /usr/local/bin/mplayer`
`15:26.39`	`rdz`	`it seems that crontab misses the environment variable....`
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`15:26.48`	`rdz`	`or i have to set it first`
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`15:27.15`	`rdz`	`and of course, redirecting std* to /dev/null`
`15:27.16`	`acdimalev`	`rdz, you talking about /etc/crontab ?`
`15:27.17`	`Dreamcast`	`so acdimalev, what do you recommend?`
`15:27.21`	`Dreamcast`	`we have to go thru a evil proxy`
`15:27.37`	`rdz`	`acdimalev, the command 'crontab'`
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`15:27.46`	`Dreamcast`	`that uses NTLM`
`15:27.49`	`Azar`	`rfrank: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors , general idea...`
`15:27.53`	`Dreamcast`	`putty doesnt support NTLM`
`15:27.59`	`tralala`	`rdz, right I was thinking about that and I somehow got carried away`
`15:28.13`	`rdz`	`tralala, but now it work...;-)`
`15:28.14`	`Dreamcast`	`ever used tewnel?`
`15:28.21`	`rdz`	`thank you so much`
`15:28.41`	`tralala`	`rdz, well, I didn't actually help much, did I?`
`15:28.43`	`acdimalev`	`rdz, funky... maybe your env's are being set in your profile rather than rc?`
`15:28.55`	`rdz`	`acdimalev, ah i see: in that file, the PATH variable is set.`
`15:29.03`	`amit_`	`hey guys..how do I take control of stuff that is started at boot time?`
`15:29.19`	`amit_`	`for example, at boottime, my machine checks for md arrays..i wanna disable it..`
`15:29.26`	`rdz`	`acdimalev, as user, when invoking 'crontab -e', i possibly should add PATH somewhere`
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`15:29.38`	`RealBorg`	`how can I make aptitude ignore some dependency?`
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`15:30.03`	`RealBorg`	`I have installed firefox-2 now gnome-desktop-environment is broken`
`15:30.47`	`Shadow_7`	`Is ther some trick to pcie? Or does having this message is just an informative one and pcie is used anyway? pcie_portdrv_probe->Dev[5a37:1002] has invalid IRQ, Check vendor BIOS`
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`15:31.23`	`acdimalev`	`rdz, check the user's ~/.bashrc ... if PATH is set there, it should be set for the cronjob as well`
`15:31.30`	`acdimalev`	`rdz, but test it out of course ;)`
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`15:32.32`	`amit_`	`RealBorg: Forcing an install without meeting dependencies is not a good idea..but still check out "man aptitude"`
`15:32.36`	`Shadow_7`	`The main symptom here is my ati card has dri, but still does marginally better than not having dri. < 2x's better. And about 1/3rd what others report getting on the same card/similar hardware.`
`15:33.04`	`rdz`	`acdimalev, it is not set in .bashrc, for some reason, though i am able to invoke 'mplayer'.... strange`
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`15:33.29`	`RealBorg`	`amit_, AFAIK there is no firefox2 package yet`
`15:33.34`	`madclicker`	`does anyone know if there is a tool to remove md partitions and recreate them?`
`15:33.36`	`acdimalev`	`rdz, check to see if you have dash installed`
`15:33.47`	`RealBorg`	`so I have the dependency but apt does not know abaout it`
`15:33.47`	`amit_`	`RealBorg: have you tried adding the SID URL?`
`15:33.49`	`Azar`	`RealBorg, read the README on /usr/share/doc/aptitude`
`15:34.09`	`acdimalev`	`rdz, there has to be some resource or profile file that will let you set the path :)`
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`15:34.53`	`Shadow_7`	`madclicker: md partition? as in compaq flash? dosfsck -F 16 /dev/sda1 (for most digital cameras I've had)`
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`15:35.32`	`Azar`	`RealBorg: what Debian version are you using?`
`15:35.44`	`RealBorg`	`testing`
`15:35.47`	`acdimalev`	`rdz, or uh... yeah, set PATH in crontab... doesn't hurt`
`15:35.58`	`bbelt16ag`	`hi`
`15:36.11`	`Azar`	`RealBorg: if you use "aptitude install/upgrade/.." read that README file, there are a lot of tips`
`15:36.14`	`bbelt16ag`	`anybody know of a app that can convert ogg to mp3? i know i will loose quality`
`15:36.32`	`madclicker`	`Shadow_7, software raid MD partitions`
`15:37.08`	`RealBorg`	`bbelt16ag, mpg321 to stdout - oggenc from stdin`
`15:37.15`	`Winkie`	`madclicker: do you mean remove things like /dev/md0 or remove the actual data?`
`15:37.21`	`bbelt16ag`	`can you give me an ex?`
`15:37.28`	`stew`	`bbelt16ag: ogg123 -f - file.ogg \| lame`
`15:37.33`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok`
`15:37.46`	`bbelt16ag`	`can i use *.ogg?`
`15:37.51`	`acdimalev`	`wow, pam sets the env for cronjobs in debian... learn something new every day`
`15:38.11`	`stew`	`bbelt16ag: the -f - says to write the raw pcm data to stdin, tell lame to encode stdin (a file named "-")`
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`15:38.35`	`madclicker`	`Winkie, i need to rebuild one of the md partitions with larger inode numbers`
`15:38.38`	`Winkie`	`stew: i think you mean stdout ;)`
`15:38.54`	`stew`	`bbelt16ag: no, you can't use .ogg, you'd have to write a loop in shell: for a in .ogg ; do ogg123 -f - $a \| lame... ; done`
`15:38.59`	`stew`	`Winkie: no, i mean stdin`
`15:39.01`	`acdimalev`	`mmmm, giant single mp3 file of your entire ogg collection :)`
`15:39.07`	`bbelt16ag`	`ah`
`15:39.08`	`bbelt16ag`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:39.20`	`Winkie`	`brb my mouse has just died >:(`
`15:39.28`	`Winkie`	`also madclicker you just need to fix ext3 probably`
`15:39.34`	`bbelt16ag`	`i just got one 700 mb disc i wanna nburn from ogg to mp3 so i can play it`
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`15:39.43`	`bbelt16ag`	`i got back ups if it make it sound crappy`
`15:39.45`	`bono`	`Question: Im looking for a multicast video streamer... Videolan seems to be a pretty good solution... You guys agree? Any comments? Alternatives?`
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`15:40.00`	`Shadow_7`	`acdimalev: that's bad for car .mp3 players. Or at least mine that craps out if you play a track longer than 3 minutes.`
`15:40.01`	`rfrank`	`bono, I've used videolan before, works great`
`15:40.29`	`bono`	`rfrank: as a streamer or a reader?`
`15:40.41`	`acdimalev`	`heheheh`
`15:41.01`	`acdimalev`	`Shadow_7: don't know why you'd want to have one anyhow... unless you really miss those old cassettes`
`15:41.22`	`stew`	`bbelt16ag: your going to want something like ogg123 -f - $a \| lame - ${a%.ogg}.mp3`
`15:41.44`	`rfrank`	`bono, both`
`15:42.04`	`Shadow_7`	`you had cassettes? All I had was an 8 track.`
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`15:42.16`	`bono`	`rfrank: thx a lot, it helps`
`15:42.21`	`acdimalev`	`stew, that bash, posix sh...? :o`
`15:42.54`	`madclicker`	`How can i change the chunk size on a MD (software raid) device?`
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`15:43.21`	`madclicker`	`i fucked up and made it 512KB now i have no more inodes`
`15:43.26`	`stew`	`acdimalev: posix sh i think (works in dash)`
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`15:43.46`	`Kobaz`	`is there a nice way to be able to use a synaptics touchpad (with the 3rd party synaptics driver) and a usb mouse at the same time?`
`15:43.47`	`acdimalev`	`stew, looks like I need to take a better look through the docs. thanks :)`
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`15:46.30`	`Azar`	`oh wow, Studio 64 for Debian! http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5486057047.html`
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`15:47.25`	`abrotman`	`Azar: not for debian .. it is its own distro`
`15:47.44`	`pingwin`	`how would I rebuild a package? Specifically php5-mysql.`
`15:48.05`	`bbelt16ag`	`stew: ok am i missing anything else?`
`15:48.13`	`abrotman`	`!tell pingwin about apt-build`
`15:48.23`	`stew`	`bbelt16ag: possibly encoding options to lame`
`15:48.38`	`bbelt16ag`	`ok`
`15:48.43`	`Azar`	`Oh I see.. thanks for the heads up, I just read again.. right`
`15:49.02`	`pingwin`	`abrotman thanks. so will php be something that will have to be specially handled during upgrades in the future?`
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`15:49.11`	`abrotman`	`yes`
`15:49.33`	`pingwin`	`abrotman thanks.... i wish the hosting company had offered gentoo at this point`
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`15:49.48`	`abrotman`	`pingwin: or you could stop mucking with php5 and mysql5`
`15:49.56`	`abrotman`	`use pgsql and php4!`
`15:50.06`	`rahul`	`abrotman: your reputation precedes you.`
`15:50.10`	`madclicker`	`How can i change the chunk size on a MD (software raid) device? i fucked up and made it 512KB now i have no more inode. SOS`
`15:50.18`	`pingwin`	`sorry, can't requirements of the applications`
`15:50.37`	`abrotman`	`rahul: eh ?`
`15:50.39`	`helo`	`so... the release of etch seems to be more (relatively) up to date than previous releases... is it?`
`15:50.41`	`infernix`	`madclicker: you can't really do that on a running one without totally destroying it, afaik.`
`15:50.44`	`h3sp4wn`	`Or use mod_perl and template toolkit (that is nice to use php is horrible)`
`15:50.46`	`abrotman`	`pingwin: recode time!`
`15:50.52`	`pingwin`	`not my fault debian can't stay up to date ... i'm not trying to knock debian. I think it's a good system as long as you don't need the most reacent features`
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`15:50.59`	`abrotman`	`it is up to date dumbass`
`15:51.03`	`abrotman`	`that's the way stable works`
`15:51.03`	`pingwin`	`recent*`
`15:51.12`	`madclicker`	`infernix, is there a howto for destroying it and rebuilding it?`
`15:51.15`	`bbelt16ag`	`!lame`
`15:51.15`	`dpkg`	`well, lame is : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>`
`15:51.18`	`ohad`	`hi, does anyone know of an open source project that does what spamarrest does?`
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`15:51.25`	`abrotman`	`!sns syndrome`
`15:51.25`	`dpkg`	`somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.`
`15:51.28`	`infernix`	`madclicker: howtos for destroying raids? google>software raid howto`
`15:51.31`	`rahul`	`pingwin: debian CAN stay up to date. it's you who are not choosing to.`
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`15:51.38`	`bbelt16ag`	`!marillat`
`15:51.38`	`dpkg`	`i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location.`
`15:51.41`	`Kobaz`	`is there a nice way to be able to use a synaptics touchpad (with the 3rd party synaptics driver) and a usb mouse at the same time?`
`15:51.41`	`abrotman`	`rahul: eh ?`
`15:51.45`	`abrotman`	`bbelt16ag: msg the bot`
`15:51.54`	`bbelt16ag`	`sorry`
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`15:52.01`	`pingwin`	`rahul how am I choosing not to be up to date?`
`15:52.09`	`Azar`	`:)`
`15:52.10`	`helo`	`i have never been tempted to run stable on my desktop until this release`
`15:52.12`	`rahul`	`pingwin: by asking for a stable release`
`15:52.13`	`madclicker`	`infernix, is there a gui-like config as during the install?`
`15:52.16`	`cydork`	`abrotman: karsten was talking about you !! :P`
`15:52.16`	`rahul`	`Azar: :)`
`15:52.26`	`abrotman`	`cydork: eh ?`
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`15:52.32`	`helo`	`there have always been certain things in testing i couldn't live without`
`15:52.36`	`cydork`	`abrotman: bahh`
`15:52.45`	`pingwin`	`anyway, thanks abrotman for all the help :)`
`15:52.48`	`Azar`	`hey rahul and remember, "wtf" is trademarked for abrotman`
`15:52.49`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`15:52.51`	`str4`	`hi`
`15:52.52`	`infernix`	`madclicker: the most gui-like I use is mdadm, which is commandline. i dont know of graphical tools. the etch installer does support software raid during installation of debian but i dont think thats what you mean`
`15:52.54`	`rahul`	`fftw.`
`15:52.56`	`k1piee`	`hi`
`15:52.59`	`stealth_`	`win32codecs isnt in apt-get? i tried to apt-get install win32codecs and it says theres no package?`
`15:53.01`	`acdimalev`	`pingwin is running stable or testing?`
`15:53.03`	`rahul`	`I'll trademark his arse`
`15:53.08`	`pingwin`	`sarge`
`15:53.09`	`rahul`	`acdimalev: guess`
`15:53.11`	`stew`	`Kobaz: sure, just define a pointer with synaptics, then define /dev/input/mice to be the core pointer which will pick up the usb mouse (and any psmice you happen to plugin)`
`15:53.13`	`Azar`	`there you go`
`15:53.14`	`acdimalev`	`cute...`
`15:53.22`	`acdimalev`	`pingwin, that's not what you want`
`15:53.29`	`infernix`	`stealth_: it's on www.debian-multimedia.org`
`15:53.30`	`acdimalev`	`unstable doesn't mean "crap"`
`15:53.40`	`stealth_`	`infernix, how cani add it to apt?`
`15:53.43`	`str4`	`interest`
`15:53.44`	`rahul`	`unstable means it keeps moving`
`15:53.45`	`abrotman`	`stealth_: /msg dpkg marillat`
`15:53.49`	`k1piee`	`you tell me`
`15:53.51`	`infernix`	`stealth_: reat the instructions on the site?`
`15:53.53`	`infernix`	`*read`
`15:53.58`	`acdimalev`	`unstable debian is the equivalent of pretty much every other distro out there`
`15:53.58`	`cydork`	`abrotman: <karsten>: rahul: You fail to understand, grasshopper. Abrotman's dreams are a service you pay for.`
`15:53.59`	`pingwin`	`well the problem is that php5-mysql that I'm getting from backports is built again mysqlclient-4 not 5 that's all`
`15:54.00`	`stew`	`Kobaz: here's a config of mine that does it that does it: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead`
`15:54.04`	`stew`	`err`
`15:54.07`	`rahul`	`an airplane is unstable, even when it's flying fine.`
`15:54.22`	`pingwin`	`so I'm trying to rebuild that package. but I don't think i can, the more I look at it I may have to build from source by hand.`
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`15:54.28`	`Obstfliege`	`nabend`
`15:54.30`	`pingwin`	`my system doesn't even have apt-build in my path`
`15:54.34`	`infernix`	`!simple sidbackport`
`15:54.37`	`cydork`	`pingwin: install it`
`15:54.44`	`madclicker`	`infernix, that is what i ment`
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`15:54.55`	`abrotman`	`cydork: okay .. i'm still missing something`
`15:55.03`	`rahul`	`heh`
`15:55.10`	`Kobaz`	`stew: excellent... thanks`
`15:55.11`	`cydork`	`abrotman: actually you are missing a lot :)`
`15:55.18`	`abrotman`	`!paster`
`15:55.19`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
`15:55.21`	`abrotman`	`cydork: ^^`
`15:55.31`	`rahul`	`abrotman: you are missing your SOUL!`
`15:55.35`	`abrotman`	`not likely`
`15:55.50`	`rahul`	`well, I needed one cause I forget where mine went`
`15:55.51`	`cydork`	`abrotman: heh wait a sec`
`15:56.40`	`stew`	`Kobaz: note, i'm using what some people might find a pretty goofy synaptics setup. you can't actually move the mouse with the touchpad with that config, only send scroll button events`
`15:56.57`	`infernix`	`thats goofy alright`
`15:57.12`	`ohad`	`hi, does anyone know of an open source project that does what spamarrest - preventing from the email to be delivered untill the sender verify's their email address?`
`15:57.26`	`infernix`	`ohad: thats a very bad idea[tm]`
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`15:57.47`	`abrotman`	`ohad: i know there is one .. can't remember the name ..`
`15:58.06`	`ohad`	`abrotman, i can't remember the name either. i remember there's one...`
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`15:58.21`	`rahul`	`ohad: so if someone spams from a forged addy, you'll spam the other innocent?`
`15:58.23`	`abrotman`	`ohad: which MTA ? maybe ask that channel`
`15:58.27`	`cydork`	`abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/269412`
`15:58.45`	`rahul`	`ohad: what if they're running the same software?`
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`15:58.57`	`rahul`	`ohad: they'll send you back an email to verify your address, right?`
`15:59.05`	`petemc`	`tmda does that, no?`
`15:59.07`	`petemc`	`its shite`
`15:59.08`	`abrotman`	`cydork: clearly a good bit missing`
`15:59.11`	`rahul`	`ohad: and then what will you do, because they haven't verified their email address?`
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`15:59.24`	`AmGull`	`how can i build .deb file from sources ?`
`15:59.28`	`abrotman`	`!apt-build`
`15:59.29`	`dpkg`	`methinks apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html`
`15:59.41`	`abrotman`	`AmGull: wait .. debian sources or pristeen sources?`
`15:59.43`	`wols_`	`is there something in debian where you can have 2 consoles with two monitors and 2 X sessions`
`15:59.47`	`madclicker`	`infernix, mdadm has no "destroy" function`
`15:59.47`	`ohad`	`rahul, if it's important that user will verfiy their email (the sender only needs to do so once)`
`15:59.55`	`wols_`	`both independent but running on the same PC`
`16:00.04`	`aadil`	`:)`
`16:00.04`	`CharminTheMoose`	`what's the difference between debian and pristine sources?`
`16:00.12`	`stew`	`AmGull: /msg dpkg source`
`16:00.16`	`rahul`	`wols_: set up two different X configs, with the different monitors configured on each one`
`16:00.17`	`abrotman`	`CharminTheMoose: check the change logs`
`16:00.18`	`stew`	`CharminTheMoose: the debian/ directory`
`16:00.19`	`cydork`	`abrotman: ya i just found out.. ask karsten later..`
`16:00.26`	`abrotman`	`!tell AmGull about mg`
`16:00.28`	`AmGull`	`10x`
`16:00.34`	`abrotman`	`karsten: what did you say?!!?`
`16:00.37`	`rahul`	`ohad: and you'll keep spammig each other because you'll keep asking the other to verify`
`16:00.47`	`wols_`	`rahul: that working with a single videocard?`
`16:00.47`	`infernix`	`madclicker: stop the md device and then simply use --zero-superblock`
`16:00.49`	`rahul`	`ohad: sit down and turn on your brain for a sec`
`16:00.51`	`rahul`	`wols_: no`
`16:00.59`	`CharminTheMoose`	`abrotman:whaddya mean?`
`16:01.02`	`wols_`	`bummer. any way to get it to work? :)`
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`16:01.10`	`ohad`	`rahul, ok. you do the same and lets chat.`
`16:01.21`	`krenin`	`Hi folks.`
`16:01.23`	`rahul`	`wols_: you can do a maximized xnest on the other screen if that'll do it`
`16:01.26`	`abrotman`	`http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/liquidwar/liquidwar_5.6.2-1/changelog`
`16:01.26`	`petemc`	`ohad: it really is a daft idea`
`16:01.28`	`abrotman`	`for example`
`16:01.28`	`rahul`	`ohad: did you read what I said?`
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`16:01.46`	`ohad`	`rahul, it will only send a single msg to the sender. why would the two servers keep msging each other?`
`16:01.51`	`wols_`	`rahul: doubt it would work with the two mice/keyboards`
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`16:01.54`	`rahul`	`ohad: because you sent it a spam`
`16:01.59`	`infernix`	`ohad: really, challenge-response sucks. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge-response_spam_filtering for a myriad of reasons`
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`16:02.06`	`rahul`	`wols_: it would if you had two video cards`
`16:02.08`	`madclicker`	`infernix, and than i just create the raid with default 64kb chunks?`
`16:02.13`	`infernix`	`madclicker: correct`
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`16:02.20`	`wols_`	`rahul: I know. another 30EUR... :)`
`16:02.25`	`rahul`	`wols_: well, you couldn't use the unified input layer because it combines all input devices`
`16:02.28`	`stew`	`ohad: if you don't accept email without first bouncing them a message asking them to verify, what happens when someone with the same config mails you? when they mail you, you send them a message asking them to verify, then when they get your email, they send you an email asking you to verify, but you don't get the email and don't know to verify becuase you are waiting on them to verify...`
`16:02.30`	`madclicker`	`infernix, i thank you very much for your input`
`16:02.39`	`infernix`	`madclicker: good luck:)`
`16:02.45`	`rahul`	`wols_: yeah, might not be worth the money. and unless you have pci-e, you'd have to find a normal pci vid card`
`16:02.49`	`Malagmyr`	`I can't seem to figure out which package I need to install to get vncpasswd. Help?`
`16:03.00`	`rahul`	`wols_: which I have, but I'm in the US. shipping would be more than the card is worth :P`
`16:03.01`	`stew`	`Malagmyr: /msg dpkg apt-file`
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`16:03.08`	`abrotman`	`!tell Malagmyr about search`
`16:03.11`	`uther_p`	`anyone experienced problems with the ffmpeg package for etch? all I'm getting with it are "rc buffer underflow"s`
`16:03.27`	`wols_`	`I know. and I'd think they want new merchandise. Just a surf station for 2 people`
`16:04.09`	`rahul`	`wols_: the "right way" is to get an X terminal`
`16:04.15`	`rahul`	`those things are sweet`
`16:04.28`	`ohad`	`stew, you should receieve the verification request. twice. then you know that the other side is trying to verify you`
`16:04.32`	`wols_`	`they very well might be, but at what pricepoint?`
`16:04.45`	`rahul`	`wols_: no clue. they're not high-volume products`
`16:04.50`	`wols_`	`currently my budget is 350EUR. which gets me a full PC with 512MB`
`16:05.01`	`h3sp4wn`	`They are pretty slow the ones I have used`
`16:05.02`	`stew`	`ohad: wait, why would i receive anything without it being verified first?`
`16:05.07`	`infernix`	`ohad: did you read the wikipedia article? realise this: if everyone would use challenge-response, noone would ever receive any mail.`
`16:05.10`	`stealth_`	`is win32codecs the right name for them from the debian-multimedia apt?`
`16:05.18`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: because of your network or because the terminal itself is slow?`
`16:05.19`	`petemc`	`w32codecs`
`16:06.00`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: terminal itself - no way you can get similar performance to a modern pc on any X terminal I have used`
`16:06.08`	`stealth_`	`thanks petemc`
`16:06.18`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: interesting`
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`16:06.31`	`ohad`	`stew, just so you know that there's a verifcation request that was issued to x person. it's not ideal but it's something`
`16:06.37`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: I guess X apps _have_ gotten more graphically intensive over the past decade :)`
`16:06.52`	`ohad`	`infernix, reading now`
`16:06.54`	`stew`	`ohad: oh, how do you know when verification requests are sent?`
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`16:07.07`	`rahul`	`ohad: person X spams you. you now send an email to person Y. now you are a spammer.`
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`16:07.16`	`AmGull`	abortman:about .deb`s - i need to install iptables 1.3.7 which don`t have official debian package yet , also if i build .deb file from netfilter sources i can easy install it to many machines running debian wich i have
`16:07.24`	`rza`	`jelly: i fixed it`
`16:07.24`	`rahul`	`more spam is not a solution to the problem of spam`
`16:07.37`	`abrotman`	`AmGull: if you build a package .. should be able to`
`16:07.37`	`azeem`	`AmGull: you typoed his nick`
`16:07.38`	`infernix`	`AmGull: is 1.3.7 in sid?`
`16:07.40`	`CharminTheMoose`	`a spam filter is the solution to the problem of spam`
`16:07.49`	`abrotman`	`azeem: i highlight on it :)`
`16:07.50`	`infernix`	`lol, abortman`
`16:07.59`	`AmGull`	`no i check`
`16:08.04`	`infernix`	`sounds like a geeky superhero title`
`16:08.05`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: Sun only makes sun rays now not x terminals (afaik)`
`16:08.08`	`CharminTheMoose`	`boratman`
`16:08.21`	`infernix`	`rofl`
`16:08.29`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: right. would get the same thing accomplished.`
`16:08.58`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: Sun ray software is non-free`
`16:08.58`	`boratman`	`ello i am boratman,i come from kazakstan! etc etc`
`16:08.58`	`boratman`	`i haven't actually seen the borat movie`
`16:09.00`	`ohad`	`rahul, something has to give. tough luck.`
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`16:09.10`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: and what about X terminal software?`
`16:09.25`	`rahul`	`ohad: well, thanks for making the internet suck more`
`16:09.28`	`abrotman`	`!info iptables sid`
`16:09.34`	`dpkg`	`iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: 1.3.6.0debian1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 393 kB, Installed size: 1332 kB`
`16:09.39`	`rahul`	`ohad: what would we do without people like you screwing things up?`
`16:09.48`	`infernix`	`boratman: it is not that good. it has its moments tho`
`16:09.56`	`Ronin`	`heh rahul call them job security`
`16:10.05`	`rahul`	`no`
`16:10.14`	`rahul`	`I don't fix those problems`
`16:10.19`	`ohad`	`rahul, oh. come on. it's not that bed. did you read this article : http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/technology/06spam.html?_r=1&ref=technology&oref=slogin`
`16:10.21`	`stew`	`abrotman: he does actually need a newer iptables if he's using patch-o-matic`
`16:10.24`	`rahul`	`it just costs me money`
`16:10.32`	`ohad`	`rahul, more then 9 out of 10 emails are spam`
`16:10.34`	`CharminTheMoose`	`infernix:aww`
`16:10.36`	`infernix`	`ohad: it really is bad practise.`
`16:10.38`	`abrotman`	`stew: yay!`
`16:10.39`	`CharminTheMoose`	`goddang`
`16:10.39`	`rahul`	`ohad: you're gonna read the ny times to find out about technology?`
`16:10.42`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: I dunno what you mean - you can use an old style X terminal just normally`
`16:10.46`	`rahul`	`ohad: so you want to make it 99 our of 100?`
`16:11.01`	`infernix`	`ohad: really, wikipedia is a MUCH better source for information on challenge-response than the NYT.`
`16:11.06`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: so what's the diff?`
`16:11.14`	`stew`	`i wonder if debian should maybe provide a newer iptables for people using patch-o-matic. like an iptables-snapshot that was sid only or something. probably not worth the effort`
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`16:11.31`	`rfrank`	`hah`
`16:11.35`	`Ronin`	`oh god, someone wants to implement that c/r crap?`
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`16:11.49`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: To use a sun ray you have to use sun's server software which may or not work well with debian (and debian is definately not supported)`
`16:11.55`	`rahul`	`you know. Rush is ok, but I really like Triumph more. Sad Rush got all the publicity.`
`16:12.00`	`PaSurf`	`I tried to update my kernel lastnight to 2.6.8.19. Apparently there where no RAID5 drivers. Now when I reboot I get the error atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly. Is there anyway to fix this?`
`16:12.03`	`ohad`	`rahul, hehe.. no it was just a random article that showed up today. that is not the only source of knowledge. besides i don't believe what i read in the papers. most of them are political`
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`16:12.06`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: same thing with an X terminal`
`16:12.11`	`kpanic`	`hi, how to increase the username limit when create a user? should I recompile something?`
`16:12.22`	`kpanic`	`I think it's 32 the username limit`
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`16:12.28`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: With an x terminal you use bootp tftp and X runs locally on the x terminal`
`16:12.35`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: exactly`
`16:12.43`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: how do you upgrade that X implementation?`
`16:12.46`	`infernix`	`PaSurf: if you build your own kernels, somewhere in 2.6.16/17/18 they merged raid5 with raid6 so you have to explicitly select it.`
`16:12.56`	`abrotman`	`PaSurf: you compiled from kernel.org sources ?`
`16:13.04`	`valdyn`	`PaSurf: why does it bother you?`
`16:13.05`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: With sun ray you use a non standard protocol (which is binary only)`
`16:13.07`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, boot into older kernel?`
`16:13.07`	`PaSurf`	`yep.`
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`16:13.19`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, are you sure it was 2.6.8.19`
`16:13.31`	`PaSurf`	`Ya, just got it last night from the site.`
`16:13.45`	`rfrank`	`the newest is 2.6.19, why would you pick that one`
`16:13.49`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: uh, well, then the software isn't just non-free. it's non-good.`
`16:13.56`	`abrotman`	`rfrank: i think he typoed`
`16:14.00`	`rfrank`	`me too`
`16:14.00`	`rfrank`	`:P`
`16:14.13`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: I care more about whether it'll work at all before I care about whether I can fiddle with it after I throw away the box :)`
`16:14.19`	`rfrank`	`just want to be sure of kernel version`
`16:14.33`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: Works alot better than any X terminal on solaris`
`16:14.45`	`PaSurf`	`Ya, your right. 2.6.19`
`16:15.02`	`AmGull`	`stew:you right i will patch the kernel with latest patch-o-matic-ng snapshot`
`16:15.03`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: as long as you're _connecting_ to solaris`
`16:15.05`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, alright.. I compiled just recently, used 2.6.18.3 because I was told that people had problems with 2.6.19`
`16:15.20`	`stew`	`ohad: if everyone did what you did, the amont of unwanted mail i would get would probably double. almost all of the unwanted email i get is DSNs from people that are spamming using one of my domain names in the From:. Now i'd not only get the unwanted DSNs for when they Deliver to an invalid account, but also an unwanted verification for when they send to a valid account`
`16:15.34`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, however when you configured the kernel did you see the raid5 drivers? compile them into the kernel/into a module?`
`16:15.36`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: As long as the sun ray server software is solaris it can support citrix, windows, solaris or linux apps`
`16:15.38`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: but now you're complaining about opening source, while supporting closed standards. I don't get it.`
`16:15.54`	`PaSurf`	`I was trying to upgrade from 2.6.8-3`
`16:15.58`	`rahul`	`yum. vendor lock-in.`
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`16:16.23`	`infernix`	`stew: ah, on that note, do you somehow filter the DSNs in some way? I've made a "catch-all" imap folder in which i just dump all non-specific addresses but I wonder if there's a more elegant way`
`16:16.30`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: My point is its pointless to get a sun ray to use with linux (may as well just use Solaris if you want that)`
`16:16.50`	`ohad`	`stew, sure. i am not going to impliment the tmda app. i am just looking for a better solutions to resolve spam issues`
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`16:17.09`	`linenoise`	`Is there a way to script apt so that I don't need to type in Y and N and I?`
`16:17.11`	`infernix`	`ohad: spamassassin + fuzzyOCR + openprotect rules`
`16:17.12`	`rahul`	`h3sp4wn: well, a simple desktop pc runing debian will probably be cheaper and more familiar to admin for me at least :)`
`16:17.12`	`PaSurf`	`I does show me the option to boot into the old kernel. So at this point can I just delete the .19 I installed then recompile with RAID5? My system is running a software RAID0 and RAID5.`
`16:17.16`	`stew`	`infernix: not yet. i haven't gotten around to it, right now i filter DSNs every morning by putting a rock on the 'd' key while i make myself coffee :)`
`16:17.18`	`infernix`	`ohad: you can add mailscanner to the mix as well`
`16:17.19`	`linenoise`	`like how RH does with yum?`
`16:17.30`	`infernix`	`stew: :)`
`16:17.36`	`CharminTheMoose`	`but what ya gonna do about it?`
`16:17.49`	`stew`	`ohad: how about greylisting?`
`16:17.52`	`ohad`	`infernix, i already have mailscanner, spamassiasin, etc.`
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`16:18.03`	`PaSurf`	`And do I add the support for RAID 5 in the menuconfig?`
`16:18.08`	`h3sp4wn`	`rahul: They are quite cheap to buy on ebay sun rays - but if you can find an old sun javastation those make good x-terminals`
`16:18.16`	`PaSurf`	`OK, Im back into 2.6.8-3`
`16:18.21`	`infernix`	`ohad: well if you have fuzzyOCR + openprotect rules for Spamassassin, there's pretty much the limit as to what can be done right now, AFAIK`
`16:18.25`	`stew`	`sun rays are cool. i wish i had something like them here`
`16:18.37`	`petemc`	`infernix: you find fuzzyocr effective still?`
`16:18.47`	`stew`	`i'd mount a sun ray on the wall opposite the toilet so i could take my xsession with me`
`16:19.03`	`infernix`	`petemc: its lessening with those obscured characters and changed fonts, but it still helps`
`16:19.11`	`PaSurf`	`So, is there something I need to do to clean up the .19 install to prevent problems later on?`
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`16:19.57`	`linenoise`	`Is it possible to use apt in a "fire and forget" way?`
`16:20.03`	`infernix`	`petemc: i'm using the development branch of fuzzyocr here`
`16:20.16`	`rahul`	`"fire gun at foot and forget you did it"`
`16:20.16`	`stew`	`linenoise: what does that mean?`
`16:20.19`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, yes`
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`16:20.31`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, did you compile to a deb package?`
`16:20.41`	`PaSurf`	`rfrank: Yes.`
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`16:20.42`	`rahul`	`linenoise: it's hard to forget when your foot is bleeding so much`
`16:20.54`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, dpkg -r packagename`
`16:20.58`	`helmii`	`someone knows how to tell that postfix accept all mail @gmx.de @hotmail etc`
`16:20.58`	`linenoise`	`With redhat I can automate an update so that some files overwrite and some don't. Can I do that in apt? Is there an update automater package?`
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`16:21.30`	`rahul`	`linenoise: with an airplane, I can drop a bomb on my house`
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`16:21.37`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, if you can't find the package dpkg -l \| grep "linux"`
`16:21.44`	`stew`	`rahul: please keep it constructive`
`16:21.55`	`rahul`	`exactly.`
`16:22.03`	`bbelt16ag`	`how would i read the mp3 files from the folder and send them to the encoder?`
`16:22.03`	`rahul`	`linenoise: what you're doing is bound to screw you over`
`16:22.11`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, should be something like linux-image-2.6.19`
`16:22.25`	`stew`	`linenoise: are the files that might be overwritten all config files?`
`16:22.25`	`rahul`	`linenoise: what will you do when you upgrade, say, sshd, and it fails to install quite right?`
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`16:22.41`	`linenoise`	`stew: In this case yes.`
`16:22.46`	`bbelt16ag`	`dpkg -reconfigure ?`
`16:23.02`	`PaSurf`	`rfrank: ok. sounds good. Then basically when compiling, should I look at the next version instead of .19 or is it necessary?`
`16:23.03`	`bbelt16ag`	`or apt-get remove is what i would do`
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`16:24.38`	`linenoise`	`Well, how about this. If I use the debian installer, how do I automate it so that I don't have to interact with it? IS there a way I can pre-answer all the questions and have the installer read my answer file while it works?`
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`16:24.54`	`h0ax`	`hi`
`16:25.03`	`atSquiGgs`	`hey`
`16:25.15`	`stew`	`linenoise: i'm pretty sure that nothing like what you are describing exists. there is FAI (/msg dpkg fai) but that is for fresh installs aiui. you can set your debconf priority to the lowest to get rid of most or all of the interaction, but that wounldn't let you have config files that were changed locally be overwritten`
`16:25.24`	`h0ax`	`with the debian installation to i need to install a KDE seperate .... or is it like ubuntu ?`
`16:25.26`	`atSquiGgs`	`anyone ever use php4 with sql server with debian sarge? I get an error when the result set is blank`
`16:25.29`	`valdyn`	`!preseed`
`16:25.29`	`dpkg`	`well, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, ask abrotman for details, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed`
`16:25.44`	`h0ax`	`with the debian installation to i need to install a KDE seperate .... or is it like ubuntu ?`
`16:25.47`	`Ronin`	`h0ax: by default gnome i belive is the wm`
`16:25.49`	`Ronin`	`h0ax: patience`
`16:25.55`	`stew`	`h0ax: you are prompted to optionally install a "desktop" but by default it won't install anything that is non-essential`
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`16:26.14`	`Ronin`	`or do you mean will x be installed by default?`
`16:26.15`	`valdyn`	`linenoise: read what dpkg said about preseed`
`16:26.21`	`h0ax`	`i see`
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`16:26.32`	`h0ax`	`will debian run on a 166mhz pc ?`
`16:26.41`	`abrotman`	`don't ask me! .. i don't know anthing about it!`
`16:26.43`	`atSquiGgs`	`I have php4, php4-sybase and apache2 installed on debian sarge. On my slackware box it works fine, on debian I get this error:`
`16:26.43`	`atSquiGgs`	`not a valid Sybase result resource`
`16:27.02`	`atSquiGgs`	`only when the result set is blank, any ideas?`
`16:27.04`	`helo`	`for some reason, whenever i boot up debian i get a bunch of dma errors regarding my compactflash drive... suse doesn't seem to have the same problem`
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`16:27.12`	`PaSurf`	`rfrank: tried the command system says its not installed...?? But I do see the .deb package "kernel-image-2.6.19_custom.deb"`
`16:27.38`	`CharminTheMoose`	`PaSurf: dpkg -i`
`16:27.47`	`helo`	`anyone know where i should start to track it down?`
`16:28.02`	`linenoise`	`Okay. I think I know what I need to read. Thanks everyone! You've been a great help.`
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`16:28.10`	`h0ax`	`will debian run on a 166mhz pc ?`
`16:28.19`	`valdyn`	`h0ax: sure`
`16:28.20`	`stew`	`h0ax: yes`
`16:28.23`	`rfrank`	`PaSurf, then dpkg -l \| grep "linux-image"`
`16:28.23`	`cydork`	`h0ax: yes ..`
`16:28.24`	`CharminTheMoose`	`h0ax:try it`
`16:28.25`	`rfrank`	`tell me what the shows`
`16:28.27`	`Ronin`	`h0ax: how much ram?`
`16:28.32`	`infernix`	`linenoise, stew, there's actually ways to fully automate dpkg. some articles on debian-administration.org on it`
`16:28.34`	`PaSurf`	`CharminTheMoose: Ya, I am trying to uninstall it right now, it basically is giving me problems.`
`16:28.34`	`h0ax`	`errrm`
`16:28.39`	`atSquiGgs`	`anyone use debian sarge with php4 and talk with sql server?`
`16:28.46`	`h0ax`	`like 40 - 60 mb`
`16:28.57`	`cydork`	`infernix: are you talking about cron-apt or something?`
`16:28.57`	`valdyn`	`h0ax: 32 or 64`
`16:29.03`	`stew`	`h0ax: yeah, that will work. <32mb can be a problem`
`16:29.07`	`infernix`	`cydork: no`
`16:29.17`	`h0ax`	`how big is debian ?`
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`16:29.28`	`stew`	`h0ax: this big --> <---`
`16:29.28`	`cydork`	`h0ax: depends`
`16:29.34`	`valdyn`	`h0ax: you dont need to care about how big debian is`
`16:29.34`	`h0ax`	`mb wise lol`
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`16:29.39`	`infernix`	`it's been a while but I read an article about how to automate dpkg questions in context of running debian on a huge cluster (100+ nodes)`
`16:29.39`	`bbelt16ag`	`well its not working`
`16:29.45`	`bbelt16ag`	`anybody know of an app?`
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`16:29.54`	`stew`	`h0ax: a couple hundred megs for a base install`
`16:29.56`	`Ronin`	`h0ax: how big is the harddrive?`
`16:30.04`	`h0ax`	`80 gig lmao`
`16:30.09`	`Ronin`	`h0ax: size is relative to what you want to install then`
`16:30.11`	`abrotman`	`bbelt16ag: for what ?`
`16:30.15`	`bbelt16ag`	`my install its about 4 gigs for root`
`16:30.20`	`bbelt16ag`	`to encode ogg to mp3`
`16:30.27`	`abrotman`	`debian-multimedia.org`
`16:30.30`	`h0ax`	`is base install pretty basic ?`
`16:30.36`	`bbelt16ag`	`yes`
`16:30.38`	`infernix`	`h0ax: basically yes`
`16:30.39`	`h0ax`	`nice`
`16:30.43`	`bbelt16ag`	`very basic i think no gui either`
`16:30.44`	`stew`	`h0ax: very basic`
`16:30.47`	`h0ax`	`just need it for storage`
`16:30.50`	`h0ax`	`i need gui`
`16:30.55`	`stew`	`definately no gui`
`16:31.02`	`h0ax`	`i need gui`
`16:31.06`	`PaSurf`	`Ok, so when I do the dpkg -l \| grep "kernel-image" it shows .19 installed. Then I run the command dpkg -r "kernel-image-2 custom.1.0" and it says its not installed. Is there somewhere I can get the full name of the package to uninstall?`
`16:31.08`	`stew`	`h0ax: you will be able to add one`
`16:31.17`	`Ronin`	`the installer? it has a gui, not fancy mind you but it has one`
`16:31.27`	`h0ax`	`does it need to be conneected to the internet`
`16:31.31`	`infernix`	`PaSurf: export COLUMNS=200; dpkg -l \| grep kernel-image`
`16:31.37`	`stew`	`h0ax: no`
`16:31.38`	`acdimalev`	`if I want to contact a maintainer about packages that appear to be abandoned... is it more proper to do so via bug report or e-mail?`
`16:31.43`	`h0ax`	`just commands ?`
`16:31.49`	`valdyn`	`PaSurf: skip the semicolon`
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`16:32.11`	`stew`	`PaSurf: skip the semicolon and the "export"`
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`16:33.00`	`infernix`	`heh`
`16:33.04`	`Azar`	`newbie question: does'n a gui installation limit options for the user?`
`16:33.19`	`valdyn`	`Azar: eh?`
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`16:33.23`	`PaSurf`	`SWEET. That really helped. Uninstalling now. Thanks all !`
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`16:33.38`	`matju`	`my CPU is stuck at 800 MHz instead of doing 1730 MHz, despite the BIOS settings. This is a Toshiba Satellite. Anyone seen that problem? Are there conf options I should know about?`
`16:33.40`	`Azar`	`valdyn: like things that get installed say : grub for example, what if I love lilo?`
`16:33.47`	`valdyn`	`Azar: answer is no, but asking that question must have a reason..`
`16:33.49`	`helo`	`anyone know if it is possible to disable all boot text?`
`16:33.53`	`valdyn`	`Azar: then install lilo`
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`16:34.00`	`h0ax`	`were would i get the basic version of debian i need ?`
`16:34.06`	`infernix`	`matju: what kind of CPU? probably cpufreq needed`
`16:34.10`	`Azar`	`valdyn: so there is an option at install time: grub or lilo?`
`16:34.11`	`Ronin`	`h0ax: www.debian.org of course`
`16:34.13`	`rfrank`	`h0ax, justfuckinggoogleit.com`
`16:34.16`	`stew`	`h0ax: append CONSOLE=/dev/tty2 to the kernel command line`
`16:34.18`	`h0ax`	`i did`
`16:34.20`	`valdyn`	`Azar: nope`
`16:34.22`	`rfrank`	`:P`
`16:34.23`	`h0ax`	`but i dunno which :S`
`16:34.25`	`Azar`	`aw`
`16:34.25`	`stew`	`h0ax: not you`
`16:34.31`	`valdyn`	`Azar: there's 'apt-get install lilo'`
`16:34.31`	`stew`	`helo: append CONSOLE=/dev/tty2 to the kernel command line`
`16:34.39`	`infernix`	`h0ax: what's its purpose? you should probably get the sarge netinst cd.`
`16:34.52`	`Azar`	`valdyn: so I can install lilo / uninstall grub afterwards?`
`16:34.53`	`rfrank`	`h0ax, if you have a regular proc w/o 64bit then get i386 netinst cd`
`16:34.56`	`h0ax`	`i need a system for storage with a hui`
`16:34.58`	`h0ax`	`gui`
`16:35.00`	`valdyn`	`Azar: sure`
`16:35.02`	`matju`	`infernix: Pentium M`
`16:35.08`	`valdyn`	`Azar: there's no good reason to do so, but sure`
`16:35.15`	`infernix`	`matju: apt-get install cpufreq. you using stock kernels?`
`16:35.20`	`Ronin`	`h0ax: they all have a gui if you choose to install it, id suggest sarge or testing`
`16:35.29`	`Azar`	`valdyn: the good reason is that I do not like grub`
`16:35.30`	`matju`	`infernix: stock ubuntu kernel`
`16:35.31`	`infernix`	`h0ax: what kind of storage?`
`16:35.37`	`infernix`	`matju: >> #ubuntu`
`16:35.44`	`h0ax`	`music, movies , files ect`
`16:35.49`	`stew`	`matju: please go to #ubuntu for questions about ubuntu`
`16:36.12`	`valdyn`	`Azar: if you want to chose boot manager by sympathy, go ahead`
`16:36.22`	`Azar`	`valdyn: another annoyance I had with Sarge installer: the partitioning, I was going around trying to do it the way I used to with woody. I failed`
`16:36.23`	`infernix`	`h0ax: go for sarge netinst cd then. you'll need internet at some point when installing debian`
`16:36.36`	`h0ax`	`it wont have the internet`
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`16:36.46`	`valdyn`	`!vagueness`
`16:36.47`	`dpkg`	`VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY!`
`16:36.52`	`valdyn`	`Azar: ^^^`
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`16:36.57`	`Ronin`	`in that case you may want to get the first couple of sarge cds h0ax`
`16:36.59`	`Azar`	`haha`
`16:36.59`	`matju`	`infernix,stew: i go to the channels where people can help me, and so far, it's better in #debian than #ubuntu.`
`16:37.02`	`infernix`	`h0ax: then you could grab the sarge DVD or multicd set`
`16:37.11`	`infernix`	`!ubuntu`
`16:37.11`	`dpkg`	`yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :)`
`16:37.15`	`CharminTheMoose`	`DNU`
`16:37.20`	`CharminTheMoose`	`send in the DNU!`
`16:37.22`	`Ronin`	`matju: isnt that like goint to #redhat for mandriva help though?`
`16:37.31`	`JohnRobert`	`should my cron scripts be chmod 755? I don't want anybody to be able to run them, but I fear changing the permissions may break my system if I make them rwx root only..can anyone enlighten me?`
`16:37.42`	`infernix`	`JohnDoh: what user runs them?`
`16:37.46`	`cydork`	`matju: /msg dpkg they don't know`
`16:37.59`	`valdyn`	`JohnRobert: that's silly`
`16:38.11`	`matju`	`cydork: what?`
`16:38.12`	`JohnRobert`	`the permissions they have or me changing them?`
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`16:38.21`	`JohnRobert`	`that's just how they were out of the box`
`16:38.27`	`infernix`	`JohnRobert: what user runs the scripts? if its root, chmod 700 is fine.`
`16:38.27`	`Ronin`	`!tell matju about they don't know`
`16:38.28`	`helo`	`is it safe to make oldconfig from a 2.4 kernel config when building 2.6?`
`16:38.38`	`valdyn`	`JohnRobert: cron jobs are run as root, users do not have root permissions, there's no problem having users try to run them`
`16:38.39`	`stew`	`JohnRobert: what would be the problem with someone else running them?`
`16:38.40`	`CharminTheMoose`	`matju:Here's an informative program I wrote about the topic on getting help in other channels: http://downstairscomputer.homelinux.net:81/irc/DNU.tar.gz`
`16:38.40`	`matju`	`Ronin: i suppose that Debian and Ubuntu are more alike than RedHat and Mandriva.`
`16:38.49`	`stew`	`CharminTheMoose: stop. don't do that`
`16:38.57`	`stew`	`matju: ignore CharminTheMoose`
`16:39.03`	`CharminTheMoose`	`i kid`
`16:39.08`	`infernix`	`JohnRobert: in fact, chmod 700 is fine as long as the file is owned by the user which has them in its crontab`
`16:39.10`	`valdyn`	`JohnRobert: users can run alot in /sbin or /usr/sbin too btw`
`16:39.11`	`JohnRobert`	`stew: why would I want any old user on the system running say...my backup script?`
`16:39.15`	`Ronin`	`speaking of ignore`
`16:39.19`	`matju`	`stew: what is he trying to do?`
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`16:39.27`	`stew`	`matju: waste time`
`16:39.28`	`PaSurf`	`So when I configure the`
`16:39.34`	`JohnRobert`	`at any time, rather than when I want it run`
`16:39.54`	`stew`	`JohnRobert: it should be such that your users don't have the permissions to do any of the stuff in the script anyway`
`16:39.57`	`JohnRobert`	`I guess yes, a lot of it wouldn't work as the things in the script need root perms`
`16:39.58`	`valdyn`	`JohnRobert: its a waste of time, what you're doing. Feel free to make cron jobs executable by root only, for no benefit`
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`16:40.07`	`helo`	`stew: the CONSOLE=/dev/tty2 doesn't seem to do the trick`
`16:40.28`	`JohnRobert`	`cheers, I understand a bit better now`
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`16:41.03`	`CharminTheMoose`	`question:why would someone want the kernel messages to not display?`
`16:41.04`	`Azar`	`matju: when the people on irc (ubuntu) are not answering your question, the next logic step is start searching (google, wiki) for manuals, documentation that can enlighten you`
`16:41.07`	`valdyn`	`helo: oldconfig is never safe and not meant to be`
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`16:41.14`	`helo`	`ok heh`
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`16:41.33`	`Ronin`	`Azar: isnt that backwards ? search google first, mans, then bug folks :)`
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`16:41.50`	`Azar`	`Ronin: correct but most often people prefer a quickie`
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`16:41.56`	`Ronin`	`heh`
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`16:42.33`	`CharminTheMoose`	`question:why would someone want the kernel messages to not display?`
`16:42.43`	`stew`	`helo: ooops, i think its console not CONSOLE`
`16:42.54`	`helo`	`these systems will be used for a very specific purpose, and nobody using them is going to need to see any of that junk`
`16:43.11`	`stew`	`helo: and make it console=tty2`
`16:43.17`	`helo`	`cool, i'll try it`
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`16:45.11`	`helo`	`stew: ahh, that makes the init.d stuff be on tty2, but all of the initial boot stuff (initrd i suppose) is still on tty1`
`16:45.59`	`helo`	`i'm getting lots of benign dma timeout errors that i'd prefer to just hide`
`16:46.08`	`hid3`	Evening everyone. Is there any way to send an e-mail message with attached file using `mail` commad?
`16:46.28`	`h3sp4wn`	`helo: add quiet to the end of the kopts grub line (maybe that will get rid of that)`
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`16:47.20`	`pingwin`	`hid3 that would be encoded into the message body itself`
`16:47.49`	`hid3`	`that's not what I need..`
`16:47.57`	`CharminTheMoose`	`can g++ sometimes be a little annoying with source code for no apparent reason?`
`16:48.10`	`petemc`	`hid3: you could probably uuencode, but using something like mutt would be simpler`
`16:48.11`	`pingwin`	`hid3 I know that's not what your asking. I just know that's how attachments in email works`
`16:48.21`	`pingwin`	`yep`
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`16:49.18`	`stew`	`helo: check Documentation/kernel-parameters.txx in the kernel source to see what else you can change. you might be able to send all printk to another console`
`16:49.42`	`hid3`	`petemc: the situation is that I need to send lots of email messages with a picture/binary file attached to a list of recepients. Is it possible to do that easily with mutt?`
`16:49.50`	`petemc`	`hid3: sure is`
`16:49.57`	`hid3`	`will try then. Thanks`
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`16:50.30`	`infernix`	`JohnRobert: you could always change the script to not execute if uid != root`
`16:51.34`	`JohnRobert`	`chmod 700 seemed easier`
`16:51.35`	`pingwin`	`will apt-build php5-mysql compile the entire php5 tree?`
`16:51.35`	`JohnRobert`	`:p`
`16:51.37`	`helo`	`ahh, 'clean' did it, thanks`
`16:51.39`	`JohnRobert`	`(and safter)`
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`16:53.26`	`Displacer`	`where is glxinfo in etch?`
`16:53.27`	`CharminTheMoose`	`anyone here know if i can play quake 1 under wine?`
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`16:53.55`	`Displacer`	`and glxgears`
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`16:54.38`	`Roey`	`Displacer: gltools I think`
`16:54.46`	`Roey`	`apt-cache glxgears doesn't find it right?`
`16:54.50`	`Roey`	`I did a search on google`
`16:54.52`	`adamt_`	`Roey: yup`
`16:54.54`	`Roey`	`that took me some time`
`16:54.54`	`Displacer`	`CharminTheMoose, the best way to know it is to try it`
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`16:55.11`	`Roey`	`adamt_: oh, that was right? cool :)`
`16:55.15`	`abrotman`	`!tell Displacer about glxgears`
`16:55.17`	`E-bola3`	`whats the trigger to get bot to tell me how to add a pgp key for a debian mirror in etch?`
`16:55.22`	`Roey`	`!tell ME about glxgears`
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`16:55.25`	`Displacer`	`Roey, thanks`
`16:55.28`	`abrotman`	`E-bola3: /topic`
`16:55.34`	`adamt_`	`Roey: yes and no, the name of the package wasn't 100% correct :p`
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`16:55.39`	`Roey`	`mesa-utils`
`16:55.43`	`Roey`	`pfft ok :)`
`16:55.45`	`adamt_`	`yes.`
`16:55.53`	`Roey`	`adamt_, what's new in your corner of the world :)`
`16:56.08`	`adamt_`	`nothing`
`16:56.10`	`infernix`	`CharminTheMoose: why in wine, isnt there a native quake 1 linux port?`
`16:56.23`	`adamt_`	`Denmark is still in the middle age`
`16:56.25`	`CharminTheMoose`	`i thought there was a native quake 2 port`
`16:56.30`	`CharminTheMoose`	but not quake`
`16:56.33`	`CharminTheMoose`	`*quake 1`
`16:56.34`	`Displacer`	`abrotman, what does !tell mean?`
`16:56.36`	`E-bola3`	`adamt??`
`16:56.40`	`abrotman`	`!glxgears`
`16:56.41`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package.`
`16:56.49`	`adamt_`	`although we are gathering resources to be able to advance to the next level....`
`16:56.50`	`abrotman`	`Displacer: the bot told you something`
`16:57.00`	`Roey`	`adamt_: :)`
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`16:57.16`	`Displacer`	`ohad, thanks`
`16:57.28`	`E-bola3`	`I think denmark might be the most advanced country in the world :)`
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`16:57.42`	`Roey`	`adamt_: look, when Denmark deals with this jihad nonsense, it'll be more peaceful`
`16:57.44`	`Displacer`	`glxinfo is a very important tool`
`16:57.48`	`infernix`	`CharminTheMoose: see quakeforge.net`
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`16:58.11`	`adamt_`	`E-bola3: that is only because you haven't heard of Africa before.`
`16:58.13`	`abrotman`	`no it isn't`
`16:58.14`	`Displacer`	`i do not know other ways to know about direct or indirect rendering or gl extensions`
`16:58.15`	`jair`	`hello guys, how can I make debian to accept "root" clients on nfs?`
`16:58.23`	`abrotman`	`it doesn't tell you that`
`16:58.26`	`E-bola3`	`adamt_: im part african...`
`16:58.31`	`abrotman`	`erm .. nm`
`16:58.31`	`E-bola3`	`neat huh?`
`16:58.34`	`Roey`	`adamt_: I read about Denmark's policies yesterday on Wikipedia; it's billed as a model social policy (Denmark's)`
`16:58.37`	`abrotman`	`glxgears is worthless .. glxinfo is useful :)`
`16:58.40`	`jair`	`I am exporting file systems and want to allow root in other systems to mount it.`
`16:58.47`	`rfrank`	`What's a good replacement for samba`
`16:58.57`	`Roey`	`windows?`
`16:59.01`	`infernix`	`jair: add no_root_squash (see man mount, under nfs) in exports file`
`16:59.05`	`Roey`	`if you want 100% compatibility?`
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`16:59.12`	`Roey`	`hehehe`
`16:59.15`	`rfrank`	`oh yeah, it has to work in windows too.`
`16:59.21`	`CharminTheMoose`	`anyone know how much an external usb harddrive costs these days?`
`16:59.31`	`abrotman`	`bestbuy.com`
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`16:59.41`	`adamt`	`CharminTheMoose: 250GB/ 120$ i think`
`16:59.43`	`Roey`	`rfrank: I'd say windows, but that's because I tire easily from frustration.`
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`17:00.12`	`Roey`	`abrotman: yo, 19 days till x-mas`
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`17:00.14`	`infernix`	`rfrank: none. i have spent the last 6 weeks researching that very topic trying to tackle gbit performance problems. NFS on windows sucks. there's sftp but it's slow, and there's software that maps FTP to a windows drive but it has serious drawbacks (no random access)`
`17:00.33`	`infernix`	`rfrank: so i'd say stick with samba.`
`17:00.39`	`nelf`	`Could someone point me to some information about running debian on larger memory systems (ie 8GB) for x86 architecture.`
`17:00.50`	`infernix`	`rfrank: and educate users about FTP if you need the speed`
`17:01.00`	`Roey`	`infernix: have you ever used unix-to-unix samba?`
`17:01.06`	`wols_`	`CharminTheMoose: 30$ more than a naked harddisk`
`17:01.11`	`pingwin`	`Roey I have`
`17:01.12`	`infernix`	`Roey: CIFS? yeah, why?`
`17:01.14`	`CrippsFX`	`hello ... I'm trying to get something running via wine, but I don't get any text on dialogue boxes. Google says that this is because msttcorefonts is not installed, but I have itinstalled (used apt-get to do it) ... any ideas on another fix?`
`17:01.14`	`pingwin`	`extensively`
`17:01.27`	`petemc`	`aol`
`17:01.45`	`Roey`	`pingwin, infernix: I was juyst about to type CIFS, heh :) but yeah, do you guys find it easier to use or more useful than NFS? is it more secure?`
`17:01.46`	`Roey`	`hopefully?`
`17:01.49`	`rfrank`	`CrippsFX, do you have fontforge installed`
`17:01.50`	`infernix`	`CrippsFX: you could ask #winehq`
`17:01.51`	`Roey`	`and why not AFS/Coda/etc.`
`17:01.52`	`Roey`	`?`
`17:01.56`	`rfrank`	`CrippsFX, I think I remember having to do that..`
`17:02.15`	`CrippsFX`	`infernix, the reason I asked here is because it appears to be a strictly debian problem.`
`17:02.17`	`infernix`	`Roey: afs/coda and windows, I haven't tried, but AFS seems like a PITA to setup and manage`
`17:02.22`	`pingwin`	`i haven't used NFS myself, just CIFS/Samba`
`17:02.24`	`CrippsFX`	`rfrank, thanks, I'll give that a shot.`
`17:02.40`	`PaSurf`	`Any recommendations on options when recompiling a new kernel? I have selected the RAID 5 support. I guess only select it if you need it....`
`17:02.41`	`abrotman`	`Roey: i'm not excited ...`
`17:02.48`	`abrotman`	`PaSurf: ask #kernel`
`17:02.55`	`PaSurf`	`thanks`
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`17:03.11`	`Roey`	`pingwin: any special settings to enable for unix-to-unix CIFS? (to allow for unix permissions and extended permissions ACLs, and case-sensitive names) ?`
`17:03.20`	`pingwin`	`Roey but I've always liked samba easy to set up and speed is good`
`17:03.44`	`infernix`	`rfrank: the fastest performance I got as an alternative to samba was SFTP with the arcfour cipher. SFTP software on windows (webdrive) does support random access, but it was still way too slow for gbit`
`17:03.48`	`pingwin`	`Roey everything you would need would be well documented in the smb.conf.sample file`
`17:03.50`	`Roey`	`pingwin: I wonder if samba4 will make Active Directory attractive for UNIX`
`17:04.02`	`infernix`	`rfrank: FTP is still the fastest, topping 60mb/s speeds over gbit`
`17:04.21`	`abrotman`	`60?`
`17:04.25`	`Roey`	`megabytes`
`17:04.28`	`pingwin`	`Roey hehe well I've set up a master domain in samba, and it was no fun hehe. but AD support is being expanded alot in the past year`
`17:04.38`	`infernix`	`megabytes indeed. with cheap gbit nics (32bit)`
`17:04.39`	`abrotman`	`Roey: no .. he said 60megabit ...`
`17:04.39`	`CrippsFX`	`rfrank, is there a basic how to somewhere about using fontforge to make the msttcorefonts work under wine?`
`17:04.56`	`Roey`	`pingwin: from what I udnerstand, samba4 will allow for w2k3-style DCs.`
`17:05.02`	`jair`	`infernix: so if I "add no_root_squash" will allow root in other systems to mount the export as root?`
`17:05.08`	`Roey`	`abrotman: I figured 60 mbits/s was too low...`
`17:05.10`	`infernix`	`jair: correct.`
`17:05.11`	`jair`	`infernix: I will check the man for mount`
`17:05.23`	`abrotman`	`Roey: doesn't mean it's not what infernix is actually getting`
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`17:06.05`	`jair`	`infernix: so it will be like this: /nfs-debian 192.168.123.136(rw,synca,no_root_squash)`
`17:06.06`	`Roey`	`abrotman: ok`
`17:06.30`	`jair`	`infernix: so far I have the same without the no_root_squash`
`17:06.31`	`rfrank`	`CrippsFX, the only thing I remember is when I was configuring wine before compiling (I compiled from source) it said that I didn't have fontforge installed, and that dialogue text might be invisible if I don't install it, so I installed it :P`
`17:06.34`	`Roey`	`abrotman: (regarding christmas, I think I'll just do the standard Jewish tradition, you know, chinese-dinner-and-a-movie)`
`17:06.42`	`infernix`	`and the weirdest thing is, samba can get to 40-50megabyte/s only when I open up putty on the windows machine to the linux box and activate tcpdump so that there's more TCP packets going from linux > windows. otherwise it was dreadfulyl slow. yes, that doesn't make much sense; it's related to the TCP protocol somehow.`
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`17:06.47`	`abrotman`	`Roey: i'm going to be freezing my ass off`
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`17:07.03`	`Roey`	`abrotman: you're in NYC right`
`17:07.03`	`Roey`	`?`
`17:07.06`	`pingwin`	`Roey cool. does it still require ldap?`
`17:07.13`	`Roey`	`pingwin: I'm asking in #samba`
`17:07.16`	`CrippsFX`	`rfrank, I see. well, I'll test to see if wine is working properly now then ;)`
`17:07.17`	`abrotman`	`Roey: no .. philly-ish .. but i'm going to denver for xmas`
`17:07.21`	`Roey`	`ohhh ok`
`17:07.25`	`Roey`	`have a fun time :)`
`17:07.31`	`Roey`	`skins > eagles`
`17:07.33`	`abrotman`	`doubtful`
`17:07.37`	`Roey`	`skins will eat eagles on sunday`
`17:07.45`	`CrippsFX`	`rfrank, damn. still nothing.`
`17:07.47`	`abrotman`	`i don't like the eagles .. i don't care what you say about them`
`17:07.49`	`jair`	`infernix: this should do the work then? /nfs-debian 192.168.123.136(rw,synca,no_root_squash)?`
`17:07.53`	`rfrank`	`CrippsFX, what wine version`
`17:07.56`	`Roey`	`abrotman: aww, nice :)`
`17:08.00`	`CrippsFX`	`rfrank, thanks for the tip on fontforge though, it gives me a place to start`
`17:08.02`	`infernix`	`jair: synca?`
`17:08.09`	`CrippsFX`	`rfrank, gimme a second, I'll find out`
`17:08.17`	`infernix`	`jair: either sync or async, not synca i think`
`17:08.22`	`CrippsFX`	`rfrank, wine-0.9.25`
`17:08.30`	`De_Mon`	`any openser users lurking? I'm trying to use t_relay_to_tcp but the function isnt in tm.so wtf?`
`17:08.33`	`Flimzy`	`<ot>Can anyone recommend a reasonably priced colocation company for a 1U rack?</ot>`
`17:08.43`	`De_Mon`	`try debian-biz`
`17:08.46`	`De_Mon`	`lawl`
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`17:09.22`	`stranger_stone`	`Hello :)`
`17:09.43`	`jair`	`infernix: right sync`
`17:09.48`	`jair`	`but the rest is good?`
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`17:10.06`	`petemc`	`Flimzy: hetzner.de seem popular in the circle i move in`
`17:10.34`	`Flimzy`	`hrm. I'll check them out. I should probably specify in the U.S. next time I ask, tho.. shipping to .de may be expensive :)`
`17:10.54`	`petemc`	`others i know use dreamhost`
`17:11.32`	`Flimzy`	`dreamhost has chicks on the front page`
`17:11.35`	`Flimzy`	`can't go wrong there :P`
`17:11.39`	`Flimzy`	`they look smart, too`
`17:11.42`	`petemc`	`:)`
`17:12.00`	`Flimzy`	`oh, and they use Debian`
`17:12.30`	`pickcoder`	`Flimzy: I use dedibox in FR`
`17:12.37`	`rfrank`	`CrippsFX, I'd try getting the newest version`
`17:12.46`	`pickcoder`	`running Sarge on it`
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`17:12.47`	`rfrank`	`CrippsFX, only thing I can think of suggesting`
`17:13.01`	`pickcoder`	`100Mb unmetered`
`17:13.03`	`CrippsFX`	`kk.`
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`17:14.27`	`jair`	`infernix: that did not work`
`17:14.28`	`Flimzy`	`alrighty... I just emailed dreamhost`
`17:15.24`	`infernix`	`jair: what does the syslog say?`
`17:16.05`	`jair`	`infernix: I will check`
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`17:17.13`	`Detox_away`	`hello does debian have the 2.6.18 kernel yet?`
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`17:18.00`	`Winkie`	`Detox_away: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6-686`
`17:18.15`	`Detox_away`	`tahnks`
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`17:18.36`	`Ketju`	`Ok, I'm having a linux issue I am hoping one of yall can help me fix. For some reason multiple cronjobs are all of a sudden reporting, "Must be connected to terminal.". One of them is logcheck, which gives the same results when I run it via sudo -u logcheck logcheck`
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`17:20.13`	`Mtraker`	`Nas`
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`17:22.59`	`infernix`	`Ketju: strange.. echo $TERM gives what when logged in? is it for all users or non-root only?`
`17:23.01`	`jelly`	`hi, how can I make wireshark (ethereal) decode more than the default megabyte or so of the TCP stream using the "follow TCP stream" option? It cuts the stream after about 1.1MB.`
`17:23.05`	`jair`	`infernix: this is the result: http://rafb.net/paste/results/s0j4ET95.html`
`17:23.12`	`jair`	`infernix: that is the syslog`
`17:23.36`	`kuene`	`i am installing etch. i have two disks. i have partitioned them an configured the as raid1. now when it comes to grup install where should grub wirte to, to make it work at boot time. i think that grub shoudl write itself in the masterboot record of both sda and sdb. but how can i doo this?`
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`17:24.02`	`kuene`	`sory my english :(`
`17:24.20`	`infernix`	`jair: add 'insecure' to the export entry`
`17:24.22`	`rahul`	`kuene: no, just on whatever disk the scsi controller is set up to boot from`
`17:24.59`	`kuene`	`rahul, but if one disk fails, the server will not boot...`
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`17:25.06`	`infernix`	`kuene: pointing grub to /dev/md0 should make it install on both.`
`17:25.16`	`infernix`	`kuene: that's always the case with software raid, which is a bios issue`
`17:25.23`	`kuene`	`infernix, i will try this one...`
`17:26.05`	`infernix`	`kuene: the bios probably fails to boot when disk 0 dies; very few bioses I've seen would properly boot to the next disk on serious disk issues. in fact, many just hang when disk 0 breaks`
`17:26.38`	`maher`	`anyone using tex on etch - can you confirm/deny that xdvi is not displaying things properly?`
`17:26.41`	`infernix`	`which is why you want hardware raid for real servers [tm]`
`17:27.47`	`kuene`	`infernix, :( thats bad, and only because this fu**** adaptec does not make a free driver for its raid-controler. so i have to boot from a soft raid. will make a bootfloppy too :)`
`17:28.01`	`jair`	`infernix: like this: /nfs-debian 192.168.123.136(rw,sync,no_root_squash,insecure)`
`17:28.10`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: which adaptec controller`
`17:28.12`	`infernix`	`jair: yep`
`17:28.15`	`jair`	`infernix: that does not look to save or secure hahhaa`
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`17:29.08`	`infernix`	`jair: well, as long as that 192.168.123.136 box is secure, should be no problem. someone hijacking that IP is the biggest security problem in your case.`
`17:29.14`	`Ketju`	`infernix: xterm; but this happens for cronjobs run as root`
`17:29.30`	`jair`	`infernix: I got it it works now.`
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`17:29.43`	`jair`	`infernix: You are walking in water ;)`
`17:29.53`	`jair`	`on water haha`
`17:29.59`	`infernix`	`am i? i wasnt planning on showering just yet`
`17:30.03`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, adaptec aic-7902`
`17:30.09`	`jair`	`infernix: what will be the best way then for me to export this to people?`
`17:30.18`	`jair`	`haha`
`17:30.26`	`jair`	`infernix: is just a saying`
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`17:30.43`	`Flimzy`	`dang it, I should have brought my perl books with me today`
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`17:30.51`	`infernix`	`jair: depends on how much you trust them. a normal export is fine for the rest; drop the no_root_squash if you don't trust the target ip`
`17:31.13`	`jair`	`infernix: so if I try to do the mount from another machine instead using the "root" then it will work without the parameters "no_root_squash and insecure"`
`17:31.16`	`infernix`	`jair: if you drop no_root_squash, root can still mount it but it will behave as if it's running as user nobody`
`17:31.29`	`jair`	`infernix: all right`
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`17:31.53`	`jair`	`I do not want them to delete or remove the files on the file system`
`17:31.53`	`infernix`	`jair: insecure is only related to the ports by which the client accesses the nfs server. it's not an issue usually`
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`17:32.05`	`infernix`	`jair: then change 'rw' to 'ro' for read only`
`17:34.07`	`infernix`	`Ketju: i don't really have an idea where to look; you could strace that sudo -u logcheck logcheck and see what's going on. perhaps the permissions on the terminal nodes in /dev are messed up`
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`17:34.40`	`kuene`	`infernix, the one with /dev/md0 does not work. fatal error`
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`17:35.07`	`infernix`	`kuene: well, lilo can do it for sure, grub probably cant then. but as noted, it doesn't really matter, if disk 0 dies it wont boot`
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`17:35.22`	`Ketju`	`infernix: If I put this strace result someplace, can you take a peak at it? Looks like greek to me.`
`17:35.44`	`infernix`	`kuene: i do guess it would suffice to install grub seperately on both disks since it doesn't require updating like lilo does`
`17:35.49`	`MustangMatt`	`If anyone's interested in learning how to compile a kernel on debian there's a nice writeup on howtoforge.com.`
`17:35.52`	`infernix`	`Ketju: pastebin.ca`
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`17:36.51`	`kuene`	`infernix, yeah. thats the way. but i wondered if debian installer can handle this situation. but it cant.`
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`17:37.31`	`cydork`	`MustangMatt: we already have a factoid for that :P`
`17:37.40`	`MustangMatt`	`oops!`
`17:37.45`	`MustangMatt`	`I'm a bit slow today.`
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`17:38.21`	`cx42`	`hi everybody`
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`17:38.41`	`cx42`	`sorry for my english, i'm french`
`17:38.59`	`Ketju`	`It's ok, I am American, I can't speak English either.`
`17:39.16`	`rahul`	`ya kern't?`
`17:39.24`	`rahul`	`dat's a durn shame.`
`17:39.37`	`cx42`	`i need help (oh ?), i would like to start a program after gdm runs a session, which file can i modify for start an app ? i search on google but didn't find anything :(`
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`17:39.58`	`Ketju`	`cx42: You mean when you log into the box as your user?`
`17:40.04`	`rahul`	`cx42: ~/.xsession, which will override /etc/X11/xsession`
`17:40.07`	`rahul`	`or something like that`
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`17:40.10`	`kuene`	`infernix, strangely /dev/sda does not work either :( i will search for a floppy... there must be one somewhere...`
`17:40.22`	`infernix`	`kuene: try lilo`
`17:40.36`	`cx42`	`Ketju, yes, i configured gdm for start automatically an user session, and after the session started, i would like start an app`
`17:40.37`	`infernix`	`kuene: and install grub once the box is booted from sda`
`17:40.51`	`Ketju`	`cx42: poke at ~/.xsession`
`17:41.06`	`rahul`	`or does it override?`
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`17:41.25`	`Ketju`	`infernix: pastebin hates me, http://waxman.org/strace.txt`
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`17:41.38`	`Cald`	`hello`
`17:41.39`	`[GABRI]`	`pruebas`
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`17:41.56`	`[GABRI]`	`pruebas`
`17:42.04`	`kuene`	`infernix, lilo gives the same error only faster.`
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`17:42.21`	`rahul`	`cx42: for definitive info, man Xsession`
`17:42.22`	`raf256`	`my new box builds 2.6.18 kernel from scratch (with quite big set of devices - same config as default debian64 2.6.18) in 12 minutes`
`17:42.26`	`bbelt16ag`	`hi`
`17:42.33`	`infernix`	`Ketju: "must be setuid root", 19must be setuid root" - i think it didn't execute properly. run the logcheck command that gives the terminal error, then put 'strace -f' in front of it and show me that output`
`17:42.52`	`bbelt16ag`	`how do i search the apt-get repo. for a specific tool that is inside a package?`
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`17:42.57`	`bbelt16ag`	`i am looking for xmmsinfo`
`17:42.58`	`infernix`	`Ketju: any chance of your box being hacked? or somehow file permissions that have changed?`
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`17:43.09`	`Cald`	`i can't connect via ethernet, i have plugged ethernet cable to my modem but that's doesn't work, is there something else to do plz ?`
`17:43.16`	`maher`	`bbelt16ag: try apt-cache search foo, or use packages.debian.org`
`17:43.16`	`infernix`	`bbelt16ag: packages.debian.org > bottom of the page`
`17:43.18`	`sid`	`I'm always switching from my Desktop to my laptop and I use liferea for rss feeds very often. Now wehn I go from my desktop to my laptop, all the rss feeds I read on my desktop are marked as un-read on my laptop. How can I have my .liferea directory(or a file within the directory) sent to my gmail account(encrypted) and everytime liferea starts it checks gmail and tries to sync with that file.`
`17:43.21`	`cx42`	`rahul, thank's ! i don't think to read the Xsession man :)`
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`17:43.35`	`bbelt16ag`	`i tred the first`
`17:43.42`	`sid`	`Are there any known scripts or anything like this for users who switch between a desktop and laptop, or some such setup. to sync their applications.`
`17:43.44`	`rahul`	`cx42: I didn't realize there was one until I just looked :P`
`17:43.46`	`bbelt16ag`	`i know apt-get can do it`
`17:43.53`	`rahul`	`just now`
`17:43.54`	`cx42`	`rahul, :p`
`17:44.14`	`Cald`	`how can i do to get eth0 connected plz ?`
`17:44.22`	`infernix`	`sid: 1) install gmail storage tools so you can mount it or otherwise upload stuff to it, 2) change liferea startup scripts to synchronize the data before you start it, 3) figure out a way to synchronize when you close liferea as well`
`17:44.50`	`rahul`	`Cald: man 5 interfaces`
`17:44.57`	`infernix`	`sid: there's quite a lot of info on gmail storage with linux on google; not sure if there's packages for it`
`17:45.02`	`rahul`	`Cald: and that's after you've set up the driver so it's loaded`
`17:45.14`	`infernix`	`sid: on etch there's gmailfs`
`17:45.36`	`Ketju`	`infernix: refresh that`
`17:46.42`	`cydork`	`sid: check unison`
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`17:47.18`	`infernix`	`Ketju: can you do an ls -al /dev/pt*?`
`17:47.30`	`cydork`	`infernix: gmailfs just for sync files between laptop and desktop is bit overkill ;)`
`17:47.48`	`infernix`	`cydork: hey, he asked, i answer:)`
`17:48.51`	`infernix`	`unison looks interesting`
`17:48.59`	`bbelt16ag`	`not in repo`
`17:49.10`	`bbelt16ag`	`guess gonna have to compile the scripts`
`17:49.23`	`Ketju`	`infernix: All of the pty entries are crw-rw-rw-`
`17:49.48`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: does the aix7xxx driver not work with your 7902?`
`17:49.54`	`pickcoder`	`aic7xxx`
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`17:51.42`	`infernix`	`Ketju: do you have a /dev/pts and anything in there?`
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`17:52.10`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, debian detects only 2 disks no raid...`
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`17:52.42`	`Ketju`	`dave@earthquake:/dev/pts$ ls`
`17:52.43`	`Ketju`	`0 1 10 12 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9`
`17:52.59`	`rahul`	`kuene: software raid requires software setup\`
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`17:54.48`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: which model card is it`
`17:54.58`	`kuene`	`rahul, what do you mean setup\`
`17:55.28`	`rahul`	`kuene: you need to configure software raid`
`17:55.39`	`rahul`	`look at the software raid howto for linux`
`17:55.41`	`kuene`	`rahul, i have done so`
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`17:56.06`	`rahul`	`kuene: ok, then you have set up a /dev/md0 with the raid tools?`
`17:56.16`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: if it's not a RAID card, it will only detect disks`
`17:56.32`	`kuene`	`rahul, the new debian etch installer does this!`
`17:56.32`	`infernix`	`Ketju: permissions on those are correct?`
`17:56.51`	`Ketju`	`All of them are crw--w----`
`17:57.03`	`Cald`	`how can i update system after editing /etc/network/interfaces ?`
`17:57.05`	`rahul`	`kuene: right. so your hard drives are still where they were. now there's another logical device that uses both`
`17:57.07`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, win 2003 was on it bevore. RX300 siemens`
`17:57.14`	`rahul`	`Cald: ifup eth0`
`17:57.26`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, on win raid worked!`
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`17:57.39`	`Cald`	`that ok all work, thx`
`17:57.41`	`rahul`	`kuene: windows software raid has nothing to do with linux software raid`
`17:57.46`	`Ketju`	`RAIDed Solitare! Awesome!`
`17:57.52`	`rahul`	`!`
`17:58.11`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, belive my there is only a binary triver for some kernel versions.`
`17:58.30`	`pickcoder`	`kueue: is there RAID BIOS on the card, though`
`17:58.31`	`kuene`	`rahul, you have missunderstood me.`
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`17:58.46`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, yeas there is!`
`17:58.54`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: which model card is it`
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`17:59.10`	`rahul`	`kuene: "it worked in windows" has no relevance to whether you set it up in linux correctly or completely`
`17:59.19`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, i think aic-7902 u320`
`17:59.27`	`pickcoder`	`aic-7902 is the chipset`
`17:59.33`	`pickcoder`	`there are many cards that use that chipset for SCSI`
`17:59.37`	`infernix`	`Ketju: well it's pretty strange, I can't really tell what the problem would be. could you perhaps schedule a cronjob that gives this terminal problem with 'strace -f'? that'd be the last I can think of`
`17:59.39`	`kuene`	`rahul, i was talking about the adaptec hardware raid!!!!!`
`17:59.58`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: lspci should state what it is`
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`18:00.00`	`Ketju`	`infernix: Thanks`
`18:00.00`	`rahul`	`kuene: um.... that's a RAID controller?`
`18:00.10`	`rahul`	`kuene: what CPU and how much RAM does the card have?`
`18:00.23`	`maher`	`anyone using tex on etch - can you check that xdvi foo.dvi gives corrupt display but xdvi.real foo.dvi works?`
`18:00.58`	`raf256`	`what kernel options are needed (to be Y not M) to access an ATA hard drive (debian64 amd64)`
`18:01.16`	`rahul`	`raf256: the ones for your IDE controller`
`18:01.19`	`simonrvn`	`rahul: LTNS. WB :)`
`18:01.28`	`rahul`	`simonrvn: thanks :)`
`18:01.33`	`rahul`	`!penixstrike simonrvn`
`18:01.33`	`dpkg`	`A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking simonrvn to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.`
`18:01.35`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, lspci sais adaptec aic-7902 v320 w/hostraid (rev03)`
`18:01.40`	`simonrvn`	`hehehe`
`18:02.06`	`simonrvn`	`!rahulstrike rahul`
`18:02.06`	`dpkg`	`A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit rahul but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind.`
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`18:02.22`	`kuene`	`rahul, 2 xeons with 4gigs ram`
`18:02.31`	`rahul`	`kuene: on the RAID CARD?!?!?`
`18:02.35`	`kuene`	`rahul, ?what`
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`18:02.40`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: that is not a true RAID controller`
`18:02.44`	`rahul`	`kuene: raid cards have a cpu and RAM`
`18:02.46`	`kuene`	`rahul, dontknow`
`18:02.56`	`rahul`	`!penixstrike kuene`
`18:02.56`	`dpkg`	`A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking kuene to the ground and leaving a large wet spot.`
`18:03.03`	`Ketju`	`infernix: cron will run in 2 minutes.`
`18:03.04`	`simonrvn`	`the phrase "too much money not enough sense" comes to mind`
`18:03.10`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: a true RAID controller presents the array as a single SCSI device`
`18:03.13`	`rahul`	`hehe`
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`18:03.20`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, its a fakeraid controler?`
`18:03.23`	`rahul`	`I have a dual opteron with 8 gigs ram`
`18:04.01`	`rahul`	`kuene: no, it's just a card that comes with drivers to do software raid in windows`
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`18:04.02`	`rahul`	`you paid for windows drivers :)`
`18:04.09`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, its both scsi and a raid-controler. it has a little hardware to control the disks.`
`18:04.26`	`rahul`	`kuene: wrong`
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`18:04.50`	`sid`	`wireshark can capture packets and dump them to a file, but can wireshark relay those packets? meaning send the same packets it captured to the same target at another time?`
`18:04.57`	`rahul`	`kuene: it's not a raid controller because it doesn't do raid. that's done in the software it comes with, which is unnecessary in linux`
`18:05.15`	`rahul`	`kuene: it's just a plain raid controller with some commercial software for windows`
`18:05.34`	`kuene`	`rahul, no! there is a bios in the card where i can configure the raid!!`
`18:05.53`	`rahul`	`haha`
`18:05.55`	`pickcoder`	`kueue: hostraid is software/driver based RAID using components on the card`
`18:06.08`	`rahul`	`kuene: yes, you can configure what the software on the disk does from the bios`
`18:06.12`	`kuene`	`rahul, belive me. its a raid controler and thre are no good drivers for linux.`
`18:06.23`	`rahul`	`right...`
`18:06.31`	`rahul`	`that's why it has nothing that a raid controller has`
`18:06.55`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: if you can find a precompiled driver for your kernel version, you may be able to set it up manually`
`18:07.01`	`kuene`	`so, but the debian installer can not properly handle the software raid thing.`
`18:07.11`	`rahul`	`debian ALREADY has software raid`
`18:07.20`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: no.. Adaptec never released the HostRAID drivers as source`
`18:07.22`	`rahul`	`you don't need adaptec's software raid implementation`
`18:07.23`	`infernix`	`kuene: the etch installer should be better at it`
`18:07.45`	`rahul`	`just use linux on linux and be done with it`
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`18:08.05`	`kuene`	`infernix, it is the etch installer!`
`18:08.21`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: aic7xxx is for a regular SCSI controller`
`18:08.29`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: HostRAID is not supported by Debian`
`18:08.50`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, ok. thas why i am doing a software raid!`
`18:08.51`	`simonrvn`	`sure d-i can set up the raid, but if there's no drivers for the card itslef, it's kinda useless`
`18:08.56`	`pickcoder`	`if you can find a binary driver for your kernel version, then you may be able to set it up`
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`18:09.29`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, but grub does not want to install itself. at no place at all. and so does lilo`
`18:09.35`	`rahul`	`simonrvn: there are drivers for the card, just not an adaptec-supplied software raid implementation`
`18:09.42`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: you have to setup md0 first`
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`18:09.50`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: and then install grub on it`
`18:09.52`	`simonrvn`	`ok, so there's no problems then :)`
`18:09.53`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, i have done so`
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`18:10.33`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, i have setup softraids every thing is fine. the base sys is installed. but grub refuses.`
`18:10.54`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: what is the error from grub-install`
`18:10.54`	`rahul`	`"refuses"?`
`18:10.58`	`rahul`	`is it on strike?`
`18:11.07`	`rahul`	`does it have a broken arm?`
`18:11.25`	`infernix`	`Ketju: lengthy 2 minutes, i need to eat shortly`
`18:11.28`	`rahul`	`or does it just have to go to the bathroom? :P`
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`18:11.49`	`bdc34`	`kuene et al: not to confuse the current thread but adaptec often releases source for their cards ex http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/support/raid/sataii/AAR-2820SA/`
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`18:12.17`	`pickcoder`	`bdc34: hostraid was never released`
`18:12.50`	`pickcoder`	`something regarding patents`
`18:13.10`	`rahul`	`whoa. lots of space weather activity`
`18:13.17`	`Ketju`	`infernix: Sorry, business call`
`18:13.42`	`sussudio`	`!rahulsmite rahul`
`18:13.48`	`sussudio`	`:-\|`
`18:13.52`	`Ketju`	`infernix: The file it created was empty ...`
`18:14.12`	`rahul`	`su su sudio`
`18:14.25`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, fatal error.`
`18:14.31`	`sussudio`	`!rahulstrike rahul`
`18:14.31`	`dpkg`	`A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit rahul but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind.`
`18:14.43`	`infernix`	`Ketju: well I'm out of options; i'd have to be logged in to try and diagnose more`
`18:14.51`	`Shadowcat`	`!lame`
`18:14.52`	`dpkg`	`[lame] : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>`
`18:14.55`	`Shadowcat`	`hmm`
`18:14.59`	`Ketju`	`infernix: Running in 1 minute with correction to the path`
`18:15.05`	`Shadowcat`	`wasn't what I was going for`
`18:15.07`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, i am in the installer and tried installing grub or lilo on /dev/fd0. there is a floppy in the machine.`
`18:15.39`	`Ketju`	`infernix: http://waxman.org/stracelogcheck.txt`
`18:15.49`	`rahul`	`ANGRY SUNSPOT: Sunspot 930 emerged from behind the sun's eastern limb on Dec. 5th and promptly exploded. The X9-class flare it produced was the strongest solar flare in more than a year.`
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`18:16.01`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: what is in your /boot/grub/menu.lst`
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`18:16.30`	`infernix`	`Ketju: 18737 open("/dev/tty", O_RDWR\|O_NONBLOCK\|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 ENXIO (No such device or address) <-- ls -al /dev/tty, is it there?`
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`18:16.42`	`rahul`	`ok, enough of the soft proggy stuff. time for some METAL!`
`18:16.49`	`lindenle\|work`	`How would I setup a job o run everytime a real ethernet connection is presen?`
`18:17.03`	`infernix`	`Ketju: also, you didn't use sudo, logcheck ran as root`
`18:17.23`	`infernix`	`Ketju: and thus it didnt give the terminal error`
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`18:19.05`	`Ketju`	`dave@earthquake:~$ ls -al /dev/tty`
`18:19.06`	`Ketju`	`crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 Dec 6 13:00 /dev/tty`
`18:19.08`	`RvGaTe`	`how can i automaticly mount all file systems and display/make them accessible by any user in the "Computer" screen (where you access the floppy driver, cd/dvd drive and the file system)`
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`18:19.22`	`Ketju`	`odd.`
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`18:20.08`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, the debian installer has not created this file yet. and i cant execute grub-install from a shell because it is located in /target/sbin and gives some errors.`
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`18:20.48`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: I'm confused.. you just said the base system was installed already`
`18:20.54`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: are you still in the installer?`
`18:21.20`	`mr_clark`	`Hi guys. Just installed latest version of testing in VMWare. Trying to install vmware tools but it can't find 'killall'. Where do I get killall from?`
`18:21.21`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, yes. because if i reboot i need a configred grub to boot or not?`
`18:21.33`	`infernix`	`Ketju: well, seems that that's where the problem lies, but don't ask me how to figure out why opening /dev/tty gives an ENXIO`
`18:22.34`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: the installer should do that for you`
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`18:22.45`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, but grub does not want to install itself in no place at all. so i tried to make a boot floppy but it failed. i think its because of the softraid. and the installer just is not able to handle the installtion.`
`18:22.53`	`Ketju`	`infernix: Thanks for your time`
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`18:23.23`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, i belived i would do tha for me but it doesent. grub fails.`
`18:23.35`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: did you setup a live partition first and then go back and reconfigure for softraid?`
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`18:23.52`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, where can i do that?`
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`18:24.01`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: when you originally setup disk partitions`
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`18:24.40`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, i am not sure if i understand you. whats the live partition for?`
`18:25.37`	`helo`	`anyone know how to get KY out from between keyboard keys?`
`18:25.54`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: never mind. try starting over and making sure you build the softraid before you partition anything`
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`18:27.12`	`roe_`	`programs run in cron need absolute paths correct?`
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`18:27.35`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, ok, this could be it. but i have to do one partion otherwise the installer will not let me configure raid.`
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`18:28.31`	`pickcoder`	`kuene: why? the installer will use md0 to install on`
`18:29.22`	`kuene`	`pickcoder, no i have to partition first and then not choose ex3 but Linux RAID, and only then i can configure the software raid.`
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`18:30.04`	`kuene`	`kuene, strange but true. the i can make a soft raid for every partition i made.`
`18:30.17`	`pickcoder`	`ok..I thought you meant create an ext2/3 parition`
`18:30.33`	`abrotman`	`helo: wrong channel`
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`18:32.15`	`rahul`	`what, this isn't #pr0n?`
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`18:32.31`	`rahul`	`I see d-e-b-i-a-n, that spells pr0n, right?`
`18:33.20`	`Azar`	`honorables is Feta worth installing?`
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`18:33.52`	`Azar`	`ok I'll try it`
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`18:35.36`	`Azar`	`wtf, is installing rpm as well?`
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`18:37.56`	`Knightmare`	`hi`
`18:38.02`	`Knightmare`	`i need a bit of help ;)`
`18:38.23`	`schme`	`Don't we all.`
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`18:38.27`	`davis`	`hello`
`18:38.33`	`Knightmare`	`i have just install Debian-etch`
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`18:38.42`	`mr_clark`	`Just installed latest version of testing in VMWare. Trying to install vmware tools but it can't find 'killall'. Where do I get killall from?`
`18:38.49`	`Knightmare`	`and i have problems with my video card`
`18:39.07`	`RvGaTe`	`anyone ?`
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`18:39.30`	`cld2`	`can someone explain to me backports? anyone have a good site that explains it for dummies like me.`
`18:39.32`	`maher`	`mr_clark: psmisc - try packages.debian.org for such info`
`18:39.33`	`abrotman`	`Knightmare: we need more details`
`18:39.38`	`abrotman`	`!tell cld2 about bpo`
`18:39.50`	`davis`	`i am trying to install X and it fails. i get a "can't call method choices error in config step. Should i just purge my X install and start again?`
`18:39.50`	`mr_clark`	`I did a search and found killall5 installed. Is that the same thing?`
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`18:39.54`	`cld2`	`abrotman: thanks.`
`18:39.57`	`Knightmare`	`i can't play any kind of video files - all i have is blue screen in video player any ideas how can i fix this . I am using i810 build in video card`
`18:40.14`	`abrotman`	`what kind of videos .. which player? which verison of debian ?`
`18:40.19`	`abrotman`	`ignore the last :)`
`18:40.42`	`Knightmare`	`i try with .avi and .mpeg files`
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`18:40.56`	`abrotman`	`which player ?`
`18:41.03`	`ofer1`	`Knight_Lord, use xine, install a codec pack`
`18:41.03`	`Knightmare`	`and everytime is the same - blue screen`
`18:41.03`	`davis`	`Can't call method "choices" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 106, <GEN1> line 118.`
`18:41.20`	`Knightmare`	`i try with totem , vlc , kaffeine`
`18:41.44`	`jelly`	`I have a DVD that works in vlc on Windows but not in Linux.`
`18:41.44`	`rahul`	`it's an i810... don't expect much to work`
`18:41.53`	`abrotman`	`they work just fine .. that's what i have`
`18:41.58`	`rahul`	`heh`
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`18:42.04`	`rahul`	`_sometimes_ they work just fine`
`18:42.14`	`rahul`	`depends how it's interfaced with the chipset`
`18:42.15`	`cld2`	`so, If I install debian 3.1 and I want a newer kernel I could get a backports package, is that the case?`
`18:42.20`	`abrotman`	`and i don't have to spend time redoing the driver every time the kernel or X change`
`18:42.26`	`rahul`	`!tell cld2 about make-kpkg`
`18:42.33`	`abrotman`	`cld2: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18`
`18:42.36`	`giupy`	`i have upgraded my sid adn i use wmaker, when i try to move a window it moves all windows`
`18:42.41`	`jelly`	`!sarge 2.6.19`
`18:42.49`	`jelly`	`meh`
`18:42.50`	`abrotman`	`not yet :)`
`18:43.03`	`Knightmare`	`when i cahnge the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to vesa the video files are working but i can't change the resolution on the screen and it is 640x480`
`18:43.05`	`rahul`	`giupy: dude, it's like a cosmic inversion`
`18:43.18`	`giupy`	`rahul: ?`
`18:43.21`	`rahul`	`giupy: instead of the object moving, it's like, the whole cosmos moves`
`18:43.21`	`abrotman`	`that's how vesa is`
`18:43.33`	`abrotman`	`Knightmare: if run from an xterm .. do you get any errors ?`
`18:44.11`	`Knightmare`	`what do u mean run from xterm ?`
`18:44.26`	`rahul`	`Knightmare: run it from a terminal window`
`18:44.33`	`cld2`	`rahul, abrotman: thanks.`
`18:44.36`	`rahul`	`so you can see what it's doing`
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`18:44.46`	`Flimzy`	`found a company that does mac-mini colocation for only $35/mo. I wonder if it's worth considering colocating a Debian mac mini instead of a standard 1U rack somewhere.`
`18:44.56`	`cld2`	`last set of questions. for a work desktop should I be using stable or unstable? and does the netinstall cd image support installing through a proxy? thanks.`
`18:45.18`	`maher`	`cld2: use stable`
`18:45.24`	`rahul`	`cld2: desktops usually are best with testing`
`18:45.49`	`cld2`	`does the current stable release have sata support?`
`18:46.02`	`rahul`	`I think it supports proxies... I think I saw something about that... but who in their right mind uses http proxies for security any more?`
`18:46.10`	`rahul`	`especially non-transparent http proxies`
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`18:47.02`	`cld2`	`rahul: I work at a county government facility. on top of still having proxies they dont allow console server for our remote unix boxes because its a security threat.`
`18:47.32`	`rahul`	`they probably don't allow the judge to eat food beacuse it could be poisoned`
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`18:47.42`	`cld2`	`its like computing in 1998. they asked me to document ssh and why we should switch from telnet.`
`18:47.48`	`Ketju`	`Flimzy: I know somebody who has 12 Mac minis hosted due to their cheaper cost.`
`18:48.04`	`rahul`	`haha`
`18:48.08`	`JordiGH`	`!greet doomster`
`18:48.08`	`dpkg`	`Bonjour, doomster`
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`18:48.20`	`Flimzy`	`Ketju: I don't think Xen works on PPC... so I'd need an Intel Mac mini`
`18:48.24`	`rahul`	`cld2: have they ever heard the term "secure channel"?`
`18:48.25`	`Knightmare`	`i solved it`
`18:48.26`	`Flimzy`	`Ketju: Which increases the up-front cost`
`18:48.27`	`rahul`	`sheesh`
`18:48.27`	`Knightmare`	`:)`
`18:49.06`	`doomster`	`I'm looking for an equivalent of 'su' but for changing a user's group memberships, any idea?`
`18:49.06`	`abrotman`	`cld2: yes it has sata support`
`18:49.06`	`Knightmare`	`the problem was that i am using 1600x1200 screen resolution when i switch to 1280x1024 everything is working`
`18:49.24`	`Knightmare`	`any idea why is this happening ?`
`18:49.31`	`abrotman`	`cld2: you clearly work for a PA gov't :)`
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`18:49.38`	`rahul`	`Knightmare: not enough memory on hte card maybe?`
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`18:49.59`	`Knightmare`	`maybe`
`18:50.05`	`abrotman`	`if it does 1600x1200 .. i doubt that's the problem`
`18:50.13`	`rahul`	`...?`
`18:50.15`	`JordiGH`	`doomster: Huh? You can configure sudo to only allow certain commands to be run by a person with root privileges, but I think that it's an illusion that this actually works.`
`18:50.30`	`maher`	`doomster: adduser`
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`18:50.41`	`doomster`	`maher, no, just temporary.`
`18:50.43`	`rahul`	`abrotman: the extra pixels use up the memory that the video needs`
`18:50.48`	`JordiGH`	`doomster: I.e. it's almost impossible to allow certain commands root access but not others, as a crafty individual can usually subvert these partial permissions to use full permission.`
`18:51.02`	`cld2`	`abrotman: thanks.`
`18:51.11`	`JordiGH`	`!wayttd doomster`
`18:51.11`	`dpkg`	`What Are You Trying To Do, doomster?`
`18:51.18`	`JordiGH`	`And why?`
`18:51.27`	`Knightmare`	`abrotman 10x for the help , rahul u too :)`
`18:51.31`	`abrotman`	`rahul: oh come on`
`18:51.35`	`JordiGH`	`tenx?`
`18:51.39`	`rahul`	`abrotman: um... it's just logic`
`18:51.40`	`abrotman`	`!10x`
`18:51.40`	`dpkg`	`hmm... 10x is a l33t way of saying "thank you"`
`18:51.41`	`doomster`	`JordiGH, those are not my probs, I need to reproduce the user/group environment that CUPS uses to call its USB backend. See bug 401405 in case you wonder.`
`18:51.45`	`rahul`	`20x`
`18:51.49`	`abrotman`	`rahul: pixels are pixels`
`18:51.52`	`rahul`	`abrotman: exactly`
`18:52.07`	`rahul`	`abrotman: video is done with an overlay. that's the blue`
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`18:52.27`	`rahul`	`abrotman: the blue pixels are sent to the video card to indicate that's where the overlay should be placed`
`18:52.43`	`spyda`	`looking for a good graphix editing prog similar to p-shop. any ideas?`
`18:52.49`	`rahul`	`abrotman: both video and 3d overlay works like that`
`18:53.00`	`rahul`	`spyda: gimp is as good as you'll get. it's no photoshop, tho.`
`18:53.06`	`spyda`	`*ick`
`18:53.07`	`spyda`	`haha`
`18:53.21`	`jelly`	`rahul: only that 3d indirect rendering doesn't work like that.`
`18:53.22`	`abrotman`	`there's one for KDE too ..`
`18:53.36`	`abrotman`	`jelly: stop telling the truth .. it hurts!`
`18:53.43`	`rahul`	`jelly: because its not an overlay.`
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`18:54.18`	`JordiGH`	`spyda: What's p-shop? Will inkscape work for you?`
`18:54.22`	`JordiGH`	`!info inkscape`
`18:54.25`	`dpkg`	`inkscape: (vector-based drawing program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.44.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 10394 kB, Installed size: 35396 kB`
`18:54.29`	`jelly`	`rahul: yep... it doesn't need on overlay, being as it dumps its stuff directly into the video memory at the right place`
`18:54.35`	`rahul`	`that would be a replacement for illustrator`
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`18:54.45`	`rahul`	`jelly: wouldn't that be slower?`
`18:54.47`	`jelly`	`spyda: uhh.. gimp?`
`18:54.57`	`JordiGH`	`Dunno... GIMP, Scribus, xfig?`
`18:55.16`	`Flimzy`	`Anyone know of a colocation company that offers prices competative with $35/mo?`
`18:55.17`	`RvGaTe`	`great, no answer on my last question... on to the next one ;).... How can i make the HP Photosmart 3210 (network printer) work on Debian Etch ?`
`18:55.24`	`jelly`	`rahul: Cards with decent 3D hw work like that instead of using the overlay method.`
`18:55.36`	`rahul`	`jelly: I see.`
`18:55.38`	`maher`	`Flimzy: which company is offering the mac mini's at this price?`
`18:55.49`	`rahul`	`jelly: then why can't ATI cards do Xv and GLX at the same time?`
`18:55.57`	`Flimzy`	`maher: macminicolo.net`
`18:55.58`	`abrotman`	`JordiGH: inkscape is vector based`
`18:56.13`	`rahul`	`jelly: I thought it was an issue of the overlay logic being more complex`
`18:56.16`	`abrotman`	`RvGaTe: print to it`
`18:56.23`	`Azar`	`hey the popularity contest made some guy create apt-best..`
`18:56.32`	`RvGaTe`	`abrotman, not that easy really`
`18:56.38`	`jelly`	`rahul: dunno, my R250 does Xv and GLX.`
`18:56.39`	`JordiGH`	`What does "p-shop" do?`
`18:56.48`	`rahul`	`jelly: at the same time?`
`18:57.02`	`maher`	`Flimzy: $35 + purchase and install of mac mini...`
`18:57.05`	`JordiGH`	`Will kpaint do it?`
`18:57.07`	`jelly`	`rahul: lemme fire up a mplayer and a xscreensaver ;-)`
`18:57.13`	`pipeline`	`rahul, jelly : Given that many video players now support GL, why do you need Xv? :P`
`18:57.14`	`RvGaTe`	`abrotman, its a network printer... and to make it work on windows, you need to install a program to communicate with the printer... and i have no idea how that would work out on linux`
`18:57.19`	`rahul`	`RvGaTe: it's got an lpd interface`
`18:57.22`	`Flimzy`	`maher: I would probably provide my own mini... But yes, that's their pricing.`
`18:57.36`	`abrotman`	`RvGaTe: did you actually try to set it up ?`
`18:57.38`	`rahul`	`RvGaTe: any print driver in linux just needs to be set up to forward to it`
`18:57.50`	`pickcoder`	`I like GIMP`
`18:57.52`	`spyda`	`i'm not a big fan of gaim`
`18:57.54`	`maher`	`RvGaTe: install cups, which is in package cupsys iirc`
`18:58.03`	`rahul`	`RvGaTe: you need to install unix printing drivers in windows, yes :)`
`18:58.13`	`rahul`	`spyda: that makes two of us`
`18:58.15`	`jelly`	`pipeline: GL is still sluggish, dunno why`
`18:58.25`	`spyda`	`and gimp is lacking imo`
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`18:58.35`	`pipeline`	`jelly: You don't have to have very good GL to just paint a texture REALLY QUICKLY :P`
`18:58.37`	`rahul`	`spyda: well duh`
`18:58.44`	`JordiGH`	`spyda: What do you need to do?`
`18:58.48`	`RvGaTe`	`abrotman, rahul, maher, the printer isn' t detected when i want to add a printer with foomatic-gui (when clicking on Detect network printers)`
`18:59.09`	`rahul`	`RvGaTe: so do it like someone with a brain`
`18:59.11`	`maher`	`RvGaTe: try pointing a browser to http://localhost:631`
`18:59.21`	`rahul`	`auto-defect crap is crap.`
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`18:59.29`	`pipeline`	`RvGaTe: You have to know exactly what kind of a printer it is, then.`
`18:59.29`	`davis`	`hello`
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`18:59.41`	`davis`	`need some help with xorg Xserver install.`
`18:59.45`	`pipeline`	`RvGaTe: Is it HP JetDirect compatible? Is it just an lpd? Does it expose a windows share?`
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`19:00.10`	`JordiGH`	`spyda: "i just want a nice graphic software" <--- This isn't very descriptive. GIMP is beautiful graphics software. What do you want, specifically?`
`19:00.16`	`RvGaTe`	`pipeline, HP photosmart 3210`
`19:00.26`	`RvGaTe`	`pipeline, doesn't give out a network share`
`19:00.46`	`jelly`	`pipeline: tell me why does compiz work well then :-F :-)`
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`19:00.51`	`davis`	`when i type startx, i get`
`19:00.58`	`davis`	`/etc/X11/X is not executable`
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`19:01.11`	`simonrvn`	`it's a symlink`
`19:01.21`	`pipeline`	`jelly: compiz mostli involves painting a texture REALLY FAST :D`
`19:01.41`	`simonrvn`	`it isn't, but the thing it links to should be`
`19:01.43`	`davis`	`its a missing link to XFree86`
`19:01.43`	`spyda`	`JordiGH: I guess I hate the interface`
`19:01.57`	`davis`	`but I have tried to upgrade XFree86 to Xorg`
`19:02.13`	`davis`	`when i try to apt-get dist-upgrade, i get:`
`19:02.22`	`af-fsfe-org`	`I'm working at a university. We'll get a new server (Dual Xeon, SCSI) tomorrow and are thinking about installing Etch, because we need MySQL 5 and PHP 5. In your opinion, can we risk it, although it's still testing?`
`19:02.23`	`doomster`	`RvGaTe, http://www.natecarlson.com/blog/2006/05/03/hps-printer-support-under-linux-is-getting-better/`
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`19:02.40`	`davis`	`Can't call method "choices" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 106, <GEN1> line 118.`
`19:02.53`	`davis`	`this is when it is migrating my XFree86 to xorg`
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`19:03.05`	`spyda`	`I'm sure I can get by just fine with GIMP. just wanted to know if I had other options (=`
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`19:03.28`	`maher`	`af-fsfe-org: is super duper important it doesn't break?`
`19:03.34`	`davis`	`xfree86 is not installed as far as I can tell.`
`19:03.40`	`jelly`	`rahul: it's not a benchmark, I know, but I have ~1100 fps with glxgears and xine playing at the same time. ;-)`
`19:03.58`	`af-fsfe-org`	`maher: not super duper, but super ;)`
`19:03.58`	`maher`	`RvGaTe: do you know its ip address?`
`19:04.02`	`rahul`	`jelly: interesting`
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`19:04.06`	`rahul`	`jelly: which drivers?`
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`19:04.12`	`RvGaTe`	`maher, yes, im looking at its web-interface now`
`19:04.13`	`JordiGH`	`spyda: The interface is the least of your worries with GIMP. If the image processing algorithms do what you want and they do it quickly, then get used to the idea that GNU/Linux support multiple desktops. I usually dedicate one desktop to GIMP if I'm doing serious work with it.`
`19:04.19`	`jelly`	`rahul: free drivers.`
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`19:04.23`	`rahul`	`jelly: boggle.`
`19:04.31`	`rahul`	`jelly: which card?`
`19:04.41`	`jelly`	`rahul: 9200SE I think`
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`19:04.54`	`rahul`	`jelly: so um.. how do I get this? :)`
`19:04.55`	`maher`	`af-fsfe-org: well etch should be freezing reasonably soon...`
`19:05.00`	`davis`	`when i do apt-get remove --purge xserver-xfree86, it says it is not installed and then fails to migrate the xfree86 to xorg settings.`
`19:05.11`	`maher`	`RvGaTe: does its web interface tell you how you should talk to it?`
`19:05.15`	`spyda`	`JordiGH: Thanks a ton!`
`19:05.17`	`rahul`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:05.17`	`rahul`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:05.29`	`davis`	`xserver-xorg postinst warning: Migrating xserver-xfree86 debconf values to xserver-xorg.`
`19:05.37`	`af-fsfe-org`	`maher: if that'll be still in December, we can wait`
`19:05.38`	`JordiGH`	`spyda: And other options of course exist. Also look at ImageMagick for other image manipulation tools.`
`19:05.40`	`spyda`	`what was the name of that vector software again?`
`19:05.41`	`davis`	`Can't call method "choices" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 106, <GEN1> line 118.`
`19:05.43`	`jelly`	`rahul: I _think_ that's an R300.`
`19:05.43`	`abrotman`	`rahul: running xorg ?`
`19:05.47`	`simonrvn`	`!tell davis about pastebin`
`19:05.47`	`abrotman`	`spyda: inkscape`
`19:05.49`	`davis`	`so, i am totoally confused.`
`19:05.50`	`rahul`	`abrotman: yes`
`19:05.52`	`JordiGH`	`spyda: Inkscape is vector drawing. xfig too.`
`19:05.58`	`abrotman`	`rahul: xorg picks for you ..`
`19:06.02`	`rahul`	`jelly: what do I do to get dri?`
`19:06.15`	`abrotman`	`rahul: you put in ati .. it will pick the one that works the best .. in your case it would be radeon/r300`
`19:06.18`	`infernix`	`9700 pro might work with radeon from etch for xorg`
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`19:06.46`	`rahul`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:06.51`	`rahul`	`Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".`
`19:06.51`	`abrotman`	`or ignore me ...`
`19:07.04`	`MetalWolf`	`I have started getting an hdc: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x21 error on boot up now which haults my machine. There is suggestion in google that it could be a chipset issue yet it was working until a week ago? Is that likely to suggest the hard drive is on its way out?`
`19:07.06`	`davis`	`how do i get debconf to forget the xfree86 server setting?`
`19:07.23`	`jelly`	`rahul: have radeon module in kernel, install libgl1-mesa-dri ?`
`19:07.23`	`simonrvn`	`davis: try install xorg again`
`19:07.34`	`pickcoder`	`simonrvn: how new is newer`
`19:07.35`	`infernix`	`MetalWolf: possibly. install smartmontools and find out what the disks SMART has to say about it`
`19:07.45`	`rahul`	`hmm`
`19:07.48`	`simonrvn`	`pickcoder: slightly more recent than this tnt2 ;)`
`19:07.51`	`rahul`	`jelly: this could start getting cool`
`19:07.59`	`MetalWolf`	`well the problem is I can't boot up with the disk in the system infernix`
`19:08.05`	`davis`	`simonrvn: apt-get install xorg, results in same error.`
`19:08.08`	`MetalWolf`	`because it tries to start up the raid array`
`19:08.13`	`infernix`	`MetalWolf: good chance it's dead then, if it doesnt boot:)`
`19:08.18`	`maher`	`can you get smart info out of sata devices?`
`19:08.23`	`infernix`	`maher: yea`
`19:08.29`	`Azar`	`davis: try using "aptitude install" it fixes dependencies better`
`19:08.30`	`simonrvn`	`davis: why are you using apt-get to dist upgrade anyway?`
`19:08.34`	`pickcoder`	`simonrvn: atleast it's not a 3dfx voodoo`
`19:08.37`	`simonrvn`	`do that ^^`
`19:08.51`	`rahul`	`voodoo2 rocked`
`19:09.03`	`MetalWolf`	`its not got linux on it, it has raid array which starts up. Its got an identical drive (also part of the raid array) and I've no issues with that one`
`19:09.05`	`infernix`	`MetalWolf: anyway, try hooking it up to another machine, see if you can mount and read it`
`19:09.06`	`jelly`	`rahul: I don't know nuttin about ati cards newer than Rage Pro... my advice is what works for this 9200 here. It's a "RV280" chip, using the R200 driver made while ATI still gave out the specs.`
`19:09.20`	`rahul`	`hmm`
`19:09.22`	`rahul`	`oh`
`19:09.23`	`davis`	`simonrvn: because I have been using apt-get dist-upgrade for years and it works. I thought that was the joy/beauty of debian.`
`19:09.26`	`MetalWolf`	`will do.`
`19:09.27`	`MetalWolf`	`cheers`
`19:09.28`	`infernix`	`MetalWolf: software raid?`
`19:09.38`	`MetalWolf`	`yes infernix`
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`19:09.49`	`rahul`	`jelly: yeah, I think I need to use fglrx`
`19:09.52`	`pickcoder`	`rahul: I have one of the 3000 series with the audio/video pod`
`19:09.54`	`maxsoft2`	`:) hi all. to install debian I need 9 cds? :(`
`19:10.01`	`simonrvn`	`davis: apt-get isn't always the best thing to use; you're not wrong, just wrong tool for something that can potentially break`
`19:10.09`	`rahul`	`maxsoft2: no. you need zero cds.`
`19:10.12`	`infernix`	`MetalWolf: you could always put it in another box and run badblocks on it. but you should really install smartmontools and run a long SMART test`
`19:10.13`	`simonrvn`	`do what Azar said`
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`19:10.19`	`maxsoft2`	`rahul ?? :)`
`19:10.20`	`rahul`	`maxsoft2: consider reading the install documentation`
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`19:10.26`	`rahul`	`maxsoft2: ;; :\|`
`19:10.28`	`RvGaTe`	`maher, unsure, i can only view printer info, (nothing about connection type etc on it), Network info (only gives me information about host-name, gateway, dns and ip), a in-browser scanner, Then when going to settings, i can only select a language and a refresh rate. and on the networking screen i can only setup the hostname, static ip/dhcp. setup a proxy for Instant Share (no idea what that is), i can change the mDNS name, domain and priority,`
`19:10.29`	`RvGaTe`	`enable/disable UPnP, setup an administrator password and view the status of the printer... nothing related to shares or what so ever`
`19:10.30`	`jelly`	`rahul: yeah. An experimental r300 driver exists but I don't know if it's worth for anything`
`19:10.34`	`rahul`	`jelly: yeah`
`19:10.39`	`davis`	`using aptitude results in same error.`
`19:10.44`	`MetalWolf`	`will do, thanks for the help infernix`
`19:10.46`	`Azar`	`davis: aptitude is just an "enhanced apt-get" no worry, works better on major upgrades`
`19:10.48`	`davis`	`simonrvn: ok.`
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`19:11.10`	`davis`	`i would like to remove all X related stuff and start again.`
`19:11.28`	`Azar`	`davis, aptitude will fix any broken things there`
`19:11.38`	`davis`	`apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 xorg --purge will that do it?`
`19:11.39`	`simonrvn`	`davis: yeh... looks like doing a reinstall of debconf might help... or the script for X install is a bit broke... see the BTS, others might've seen this and have a solution`
`19:11.45`	`davis`	`Azar: but it did not in this case.`
`19:11.51`	`abrotman`	`remove xlibs`
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`19:12.48`	`Azar`	`yea undo or remove with apt-get, reinstall /upgrade using aptitude`
`19:12.54`	`davis`	`simonrvn: how do i do a reinstall of debconf?`
`19:13.07`	`davis`	`dpkg-reconfigure debconf does nothing.`
`19:13.07`	`simonrvn`	`davis: actually, ignore that bit`
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`19:13.20`	`simonrvn`	`that's not how either ;)`
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`19:14.08`	`davis`	`i am tryig to remove all of them. apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 and then xserver-xorg, and finally xorg.`
`19:14.40`	`simonrvn`	`xlibs...`
`19:14.45`	`simonrvn`	`abrotman> remove xlibs`
`19:14.46`	`maher`	`RvGaTe: umm... dunno - try turning upnp on and see if cups can see it... you need to find out how you are meant to talk to the printer (i.e. via samba or using a standard lpd queue or whatever)`
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`19:15.04`	`cydork`	`!remove x`
`19:15.04`	`dpkg`	`In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common`
`19:15.08`	`davis`	`yah, xlibsalso`
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`19:15.23`	`Plouj`	`what should I install on my debian system so that I can connect to windows server shares?`
`19:15.25`	`numer`	`hello, i would like to ask if it is possible to share a encrypted partition or just a directory, if yes which tools can do and if i can access to those with windows xp later?`
`19:15.34`	`JordiGH`	`Plouj: Samba.`
`19:15.40`	`af-fsfe-org`	`maher: Last question. I know Etch is not stable yet, period. But would you call Etch "already relatively stable"? I know that is hard to answer, and you are now the only one I'm asking.`
`19:15.50`	`rahul`	`af-fsfe-org: testing is always kinda stable`
`19:15.53`	`Plouj`	`JordiGH: isn't Samba just a server, not a client?`
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`19:16.03`	`rahul`	`af-fsfe-org: but stable has nothing to do with crashing or not crashing`
`19:16.06`	`JordiGH`	`Plouj: You'll need the samba client too!`
`19:16.10`	`pickcoder`	`Plouj: both`
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`19:16.15`	`rahul`	`af-fsfe-org: it has to do with how often it changes.`
`19:16.34`	`RvGaTe`	`abrotman, rahul, pipeline, maher, i tried adding the printer on Cups... i just guessed by using socket://<ip>, selecting a HP driver that was near the 3210, printed a test page, and it came out imidiatly... pretty cool, thought it would be harder to realise... thx for your help all`
`19:16.34`	`pickcoder`	`Plouj: smbmount lets you mount netbios shares to a local mount point`
`19:16.41`	`JordiGH`	`af-fsfe-org: By the number of RC bugs, it's probably pretty stable, but not as stable as it could be.`
`19:16.43`	`maher`	`af-fsfe-org: i am currently using etch on main work/home machines, and its not giving me problems - but if they don't work for a bit I can cope - my email server is still running stable and i won't upgrade it for a month or so after the official etch release...`
`19:16.54`	`JordiGH`	`Quick, someone give a link to etch's RC bugs.`
`19:16.57`	`rahul`	`RvGaTe: HP is cool like that`
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`19:17.10`	`maher`	`RvGaTe: well - i'm not sure we helped but i'm glad it worked...`
`19:17.45`	`abrotman`	`RvGaTe: i'll take the credit if maher won't!`
`19:17.46`	`RvGaTe`	`lol`
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`19:17.50`	`rahul`	`bastard`
`19:18.04`	`pickcoder`	`!beer abrotman`
`19:18.15`	`abrotman`	`i'm dead ?`
`19:18.21`	`RvGaTe`	`your hands are`
`19:18.21`	`rahul`	`sure, why not?`
`19:18.25`	`rahul`	`haha`
`19:18.33`	`abrotman`	`i'm luke skywalker!`
`19:18.48`	`JordiGH`	`Wait, he only lost one hand.`
`19:18.53`	`JordiGH`	`You're twice the Luke he was!`
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`19:19.25`	`simonrvn`	`<light sabre sounds>`
`19:19.26`	`af-fsfe-org`	`maher, rahul, JordiGH: Thanks a lot.`
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`19:20.12`	`abrotman`	`simonrvn: i heard the dark side is in #gentoo`
`19:20.15`	`rahul`	`"Luke... <breathing sounds> ... Yo Mama!"`
`19:20.20`	`rahul`	`heh`
`19:20.34`	`simonrvn`	`no, #windows on efnet`
`19:20.42`	`rahul`	`eek!`
`19:20.50`	`pickcoder`	`what does that make #ubuntu?`
`19:20.51`	`rahul`	`simonrvn: no, there is no force there`
`19:20.58`	`simonrvn`	`pickcoder: ewoks`
`19:21.02`	`rahul`	`haha`
`19:21.05`	`pickcoder`	`<g>`
`19:21.12`	`simonrvn`	`cute and fuzzy`
`19:21.20`	`rahul`	`#windows on efnet are the common fools`
`19:21.28`	`abrotman`	`simonrvn: sarlac pit`
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`19:21.48`	`JordiGH`	`Wtf.. no #windows on Efnet but there is one in Freenode?`
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`19:21.54`	`simonrvn`	`x_x`
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`19:22.19`	`abrotman`	`JordiGH: it's a plcae holder`
`19:22.39`	`simonrvn`	`place holder to rediect people to www.debian.org :P`
`19:22.42`	`simonrvn`	`dir*`
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`19:23.18`	`simonrvn`	`h0llyw00dstar: make up your mind`
`19:23.33`	`cydork`	`!kill BillGates`
`19:23.38`	`h0llyw00dstar`	`simonrvn sry was my connection`
`19:23.39`	`JordiGH`	`!lart BillGates`
`19:23.47`	`JordiGH`	`!shoot BillGates`
`19:23.49`	`simonrvn`	`h0llyw00dstar: i'm just kidding you :)`
`19:23.49`	`raf256`	`OMG!`
`19:23.54`	`raf256`	`dpkg is so cruel`
`19:24.10`	`simonrvn`	`'foot'?`
`19:24.13`	`Coweater`	`dpkg is just`
`19:24.16`	`JordiGH`	`!curse`
`19:24.16`	`dpkg`	`somebody said swearing was Silence, you sock-clucking mother-trucker`
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`19:24.39`	`raf256`	`!lart cock mongler`
`19:24.50`	`azeem`	`raf256: stop abusing the bot, please`
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`19:25.04`	`raf256`	`azeem: Fry did it!`
`19:25.26`	`davis`	`hmm. i tried to removeand purge all x settings then apt-get install xorg and it still fails on postinst of xorg where it tries to migrate settings from xserver-xfree86 to xorg.`
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`19:25.57`	`infernix`	`shouldnt we be firing at Ballmer instead of Gates`
`19:25.58`	`cydork`	`davis: pastebin the error`
`19:26.00`	`pickcoder`	`davis: did you remove the /etc/X11 dir?`
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`19:26.02`	`JordiGH`	`"Hollywood" makes me think of a sexually aroused Jesus.`
`19:26.06`	`infernix`	`i find him much more worrysome`
`19:26.13`	`davis`	`i dont have X to use pastebin`
`19:26.24`	`JordiGH`	`infernix: Ballmer bears the mark of Cain, but that doesn't mean we hate Cain any less. :-)`
`19:26.44`	`infernix`	`come on, bill isnt the man he was. he's doing charity and stuff`
`19:27.08`	`JordiGH`	`infernix: Trying at attone for his previous sins, BUT JE ME SOUVIENS!`
`19:27.16`	`cydork`	`infernix: he was a man? :P`
`19:27.24`	`davis`	`i have an /etc/X11 dir`
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`19:27.32`	`infernix`	`well i dont think aliens from other planets would convert to charity`
`19:27.43`	`infernix`	`that doesn't fit into the world domination plan now does it`
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`19:28.26`	`simonrvn`	`only french canadian fundies i see nowadays ae 70+`
`19:28.31`	`simonrvn`	`are*\`
`19:28.32`	`pickcoder`	`davis: if you purged X, then it shouldn't be there`
`19:28.40`	`davis`	`i will remove it by hand`
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`19:28.50`	`biopyte`	`infernix: all assholes become decent once they have want they wanted.`
`19:28.53`	`davis`	`i just did apt-get remove xorg xserver-xorg`
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`19:29.15`	`simonrvn`	`that's not a purge`
`19:29.15`	`davis`	`and now i did a rm -rf /etc/X11`
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`19:29.20`	`infernix`	`biopyte: uhh, i can give you plenty examples where that isnt the case, but i digress;)`
`19:29.21`	`pickcoder`	`biopyte: really? I though that they just got even more ego-centric`
`19:29.28`	`gpm`	`hey guys, anyone know how i can slow down video playback?`
`19:29.44`	`infernix`	`gpm: which player?`
`19:29.48`	`cydork`	`gpm: slow cpu :)`
`19:29.53`	`gpm`	`doesn't matter`
`19:30.02`	`gpm`	`i'm using totem but i don't think that totem can do it`
`19:30.09`	`RvGaTe`	`Now lets see if i can get this scanner to work`
`19:30.12`	`infernix`	`VLC can for sure. mplayer too probably`
`19:30.20`	`biopyte`	`infernix: maybe one could not generalize. but i can tell from daily life its like that.`
`19:30.29`	`davis`	`after that finished, i did a apt-get install xorg and it resulted in same error.`
`19:30.30`	`biopyte`	`in some cases`
`19:30.43`	`goodshit`	`anyone know going from a router to a switch. do you need a cross over cable or just a regular cable?`
`19:30.53`	`gpm`	`infernix: k, i tried to with mplayer but i couldn't get it to`
`19:30.55`	`davis`	`rather than put in pastebin, i can showerror in #flood`
`19:30.55`	`gpm`	`will try vlc`
`19:31.00`	`infernix`	`biopyte: so, is it most assholes, some assholes, or many assholes? ;)`
`19:31.19`	`biopyte`	`infernix: people considered nice and decent, but people forgot how they behaved before they reached their goal.`
`19:31.33`	`biopyte`	`infernix: hmm`
`19:31.34`	`davis`	`goodshit depends upon if you connecting to uplink port or not, but I would suspect you need a crossover cable.`
`19:31.52`	`Flimzy`	`Man, finding "cheap" colocation is not easy. I think I may go with the mac mini idea`
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`19:32.08`	`davis`	`i have an /etc/X11 dir again.`
`19:32.10`	`pickcoder`	`goodshit: if both devices were made within the last couple of years, cabling doesn't matter`
`19:32.44`	`infernix`	`pickcoder: only if it's quality hardware`
`19:32.49`	`pickcoder`	`infernix: that's not true`
`19:32.52`	`biopyte`	`biopyte: lets say i'm asuspicious when people in high positions are considered 'nice guys'.`
`19:32.58`	`pickcoder`	`infernix: most of the generic chipsets have wiring detection`
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`19:33.15`	`infernix`	`pickcoder: you're saying my $25 sweex router can do it?`
`19:33.26`	`pickcoder`	`depends on when it was made`
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`19:33.39`	`pickcoder`	`and which chipset they used`
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`19:34.01`	`pickcoder`	`infernix: if there's an MDX switch, it's auto-sensing`
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`19:34.05`	`pickcoder`	`gah`
`19:34.08`	`pickcoder`	`if there isn't`
`19:34.36`	`simonrvn`	`Flimzy: i locate with myself`
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`19:35.48`	`simonrvn`	`davis: --purge remove`
`19:35.58`	`davis`	`simonrvn: any more clues/hints you got for me ... ok. let me try that.`
`19:35.59`	`Flimzy`	`simonrvn: Well unless you want to sell me 32 IPs and some bandwidth, that doesn't help me a whole lot :P`
`19:36.09`	`simonrvn`	`davis: we told you that earlier`
`19:36.28`	`pickcoder`	`Flimzy: what are you looking for? dedicated boxes?`
`19:37.16`	`davis`	`i had remove --purge xorg xserver-xorg`
`19:37.24`	`simonrvn`	`afk`
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`19:37.46`	`davis`	`when I did the install afterwards, it failed with same error.`
`19:37.57`	`davis`	`is there another debian help channel?`
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`19:38.16`	`JordiGH`	`Supposing my sysadmin lets me run cron jobs as a regular user, how can I email daily a file that resides in my directory to my sysadmin?`
`19:38.50`	`simonrvn`	`davis: did you check the BTS yet?`
`19:38.52`	`simonrvn`	`!bts`
`19:38.52`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges`
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`19:39.18`	`dondelelcaro`	`JordiGH: with mutt or sendmail or maill or any other program that sends mail.`
`19:39.22`	`davis`	`simon, you can use bug cmd line tool, right?`
`19:39.47`	`davis`	`err, reportbug`
`19:39.59`	`pickcoder`	`JordiGH: echo it to stdout inside the crontab and set MAILTO`
`19:40.09`	`simonrvn`	`querybts, and text-based web browsers too`
`19:40.32`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: Where is my crontab?`
`19:40.44`	`pickcoder`	`the cron job you are creating`
`19:41.02`	`cydork`	`JordiGH: crontab -e`
`19:41.02`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: I think I need more hand-holding... or to be told what to read. :-/`
`19:41.30`	`biopyte`	`davis, you can activate framebuffer and use links2. that might help until you recovered X.`
`19:41.43`	`pickcoder`	`JordiGH: anything sent to stdout or stderr is mailed to the person specified in the MAILTO bash variable`
`19:41.46`	`davis`	`simonrvn: i am using reportbug to search the database for bugs regarding xorg.`
`19:41.48`	`pickcoder`	`man cron`
`19:41.59`	`davis`	`biopyte: how do I activateframebuffer`
`19:42.25`	`biopyte`	`davis: i was afraid you will ask this :)`
`19:42.52`	`JordiGH`	`pickcoder: My, er, csh variable? (eep! the truth comes out. I'm supposed to do this inside OpenBSD.)`
`19:43.38`	`biopyte`	`davis, i use framebuffer here but i forgot how i did it. wait some minutes.`
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`19:44.20`	`davis`	`i will try to install links2`
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`19:45.10`	`JordiGH`	`Ack. Never mind. /etc/cron.allow does not exist. :-(`
`19:45.44`	`pickcoder`	`Flimzy: what are you looking for? dedicated boxes?`
`19:46.01`	`cydork`	`JordiGH: why are you sad?`
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`19:46.27`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: IIRC that's a file you can create as needed.`
`19:46.31`	`davis`	`hmm. executing links gives me a flashing cursor in upper left of screen.`
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`19:46.53`	`karsten`	`davis: Read the Framebuffer HOWTO. Console framebuffer == doubleplusgood. X framebuffer == doubleplusungood.`
`19:47.11`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: I'm not root on this machine.`
`19:47.22`	`cydork`	`JordiGH: you dont need that file .. check the man page again.`
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`19:47.53`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Become root ;-)`
`19:48.22`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Depending on the system, as indicated, you probably don't need that. Unless /etc/cron.deny exists.`
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`19:48.47`	`JordiGH`	`cron.deny exists and I'm not allowed to see it.`
`19:48.49`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: ... and then, only if you're listed in it.`
`19:49.01`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Mail root and ask him/her what the scoop is.`
`19:49.02`	`cydork`	`JordiGH: got a live cd ;)`
`19:49.16`	`davis`	`karsten: i thought i was running the framebuffer since i have the Sun Console fonts installed.`
`19:49.22`	`biopyte`	`davis, maybe your kernel already supports fb. then add something like this to /boot/grub/menu.lst: "video=vesafb:800x600-8@75,mtrr,ywrap". no guarantee, sorry.`
`19:49.26`	`karsten`	`lastlog -file foo JordiGH`
`19:49.28`	`karsten`	`feh.`
`19:49.31`	`karsten`	`lastlog -file foo JordiGH`
`19:49.34`	`JordiGH`	`cydork: Unfortunately, the box I'd like to run cronjobs on is physically locked away.`
`19:49.37`	`karsten`	`eh feh.`
`19:49.46`	`karsten`	`!shoot ssh lag.`
`19:49.47`	`cydork`	`JordiGH: heh`
`19:49.58`	`karsten`	`Sorry about the blink. Control chars on line.`
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`19:50.34`	`JordiGH`	`Hm. But cron.deny is owned by crontab, and it's empty.`
`19:50.36`	`JordiGH`	`Woohoo!`
`19:50.43`	`JordiGH`	`I'm allowed to use crontab after all. :-)`
`19:50.50`	`cydork`	`JordiGH: :)`
`19:51.20`	`biopyte`	`davis, or better not. i'm not sure about the '@75'. try vga=771. sorry, its too long ago i did it. i dont remember well. anyway its nice to run a graphic browser on a tty.`
`19:51.22`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: The usual diagnostic step here is Just Do It And See If It Works[tm].`
`19:51.34`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Mind, I've got a patent on that, and you'll owe me a royalty`
`19:51.44`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: I'm trying to figure out how to do it. I want to send a naily email nag to my sysadmin. :P`
`19:51.54`	`JordiGH`	`daily`
`19:52.02`	`pickcoder`	`can't wait to see the IP law suit on that`
`19:52.05`	`JordiGH`	`namely: "Fix the damn network already!"`
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`19:54.18`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: crontab -e. Edit: * * * * * date > $HOME/`
`19:54.19`	`JordiGH`	`drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 512B Oct 28 18:48 tabs/ <---- "T"? Huh?`
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`19:54.32`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: At the top of every minute, you should see date output in that file, similar to:`
`19:54.36`	`karsten`	`Wed Dec 6 11:54:35 PST 2006`
`19:54.53`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Your crontab lives under /var/spool/cron/<username>`
`19:55.34`	`JordiGH`	`I'm attempting to do this in an OpenBSD machine.`
`19:55.38`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: 'T' is one of the special permissions. Sticky bit or something.`
`19:55.42`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: #openbsd`
`19:55.55`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: I'm answering this on a RHEL4 box. So sue me.`
`19:56.23`	`JordiGH`	`I'm sure that cron works more or less the same despite details such as where the actual files are.`
`19:56.39`	`helo`	`anyone happen to know if one should disable generic ide chipset if you are compiling in a vendor-specific chipset module?`
`19:56.42`	`azeem`	`JordiGH: it's a bit like that knoppx-hdinstall issue`
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`19:56.48`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: It's probably vixie cron, and yeah, it should, mostly. OpenBSD has exceptionally good manpages.`
`19:56.49`	`cydork`	`azeem: oh nooo what's happening to this world !!`
`19:56.50`	`azeem`	`JordiGH: it works more or less the same`
`19:56.51`	`biopyte`	`davis, try 'links2 -driver fb www.google.com' on a tty.`
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`19:57.22`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Ok, so your theory is that I should do what? Put the string "* * * * * date > $HOME/" in my crontab with crontab -e?`
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`19:58.10`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: My theory is that 90% of everything is crud.`
`19:58.33`	`rahul`	`and the other 10% is bunk`
`19:58.36`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Ok, I know that you /will/ have to pay royalties for /that/ theory!`
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`19:59.16`	`JordiGH`	`Sturgeon's law, iirc.`
`19:59.33`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Sturgeon's law is 90% crud.`
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`19:59.45`	`jasta`	`sigh, i cannot seem to make subpixel hinting work on my laptop :(`
`19:59.46`	`jasta`	`i give up`
`20:00.51`	`karsten`	`jasta: Don't give up! </petergabriel>`
`20:02.19`	`jasta`	`i think its somehow debian's fault.`
`20:02.37`	`JordiGH`	`Hm, it's true. OpenBSD manpages read almost like info files.`
`20:02.38`	`karsten`	`jasta: That's the problem with people thinking.`
`20:02.43`	`karsten`	`!tell jasta about smart questions`
`20:02.54`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Nooooo!`
`20:03.02`	`jasta`	`karsten: i'm not asking a question. when i do, it will be intelligent.`
`20:03.20`	`helo`	`i just compiled my kernel, and i see the "hda: WDC WD400BB-00JHC0, ATA DISK drive" at one point, but then when it goes to mount the root fs it says 'VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0)'... any idea what i might be forgetting to enable?`
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`20:03.51`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: That was a compliment for OpenBSD manpages. ;-)`
`20:03.51`	`numer`	`can anyone point me to a documentation for encrypting directories or files with linux`
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`20:04.10`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Well, I hate info, but a lot of it has to do with the markup and readers.`
`20:04.11`	`helo`	`numer: check out "gpg"`
`20:04.27`	`karsten`	`numer: loopback encrypted filesystem.`
`20:04.28`	`numer`	`helo can gpg encrypt also loop devices?`
`20:04.31`	`helo`	`numer: unless you are looking for a lower level encrypted filesystem thing`
`20:04.31`	`karsten`	`numer: Google that`
`20:04.35`	`JordiGH`	`numer: /usr/share/doc/cryptsetup (after you've installed cryptsetup). Also look at the dmcrypt and cryptmount packages.`
`20:04.46`	`helo`	`yeah listen to karsten :)`
`20:04.52`	`numer`	`karsten JordiGH thank you`
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`20:05.05`	`karsten`	`helo: I didn't know WD40 made hard drives, thought it was just lubricants ;-)`
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`20:05.11`	`madclicker`	`is there a howto for destroying and rebuilding am MD RAID partition if i want to change the chunk size?`
`20:05.20`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: readers? Emacs is my copilot. ;-)`
`20:05.31`	`numer`	`does anyone know if i can mount these filesystems then with samba? i mean the encrypted ones`
`20:06.15`	`JordiGH`	`numer: What do you mean? You want a Windows machine to read your encrypted drive?`
`20:06.25`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: backseat drivers are bad enough. Who needs a bakcseat editor?`
`20:06.43`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Emacs rides shotgun.`
`20:07.08`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: This is war, you realise. ;-)`
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`20:07.38`	`eneloop`	`hey man`
`20:07.48`	`JordiGH`	`eneloop: what up, yo?`
`20:08.11`	`eneloop`	`wow, just ensure you are awake`
`20:08.24`	`eneloop`	`bbl`
`20:09.00`	`rahul`	`emacs sits in my front seat`
`20:09.16`	`rahul`	`it drives, I just chill and tell it some shit sometimes`
`20:09.20`	`karsten`	`rahul: vim rides in my lap.`
`20:09.24`	`rahul`	`um`
`20:09.25`	`numer`	`JordiGH yes, i would like to encrypt a directory and if possible also share it temporarily on a windows maschine with samba`
`20:09.32`	`rahul`	`karsten: vim isn't that pretty imo`
`20:09.42`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: Wow. I feel like such a loner here. I usually get crap for trying to defend Emacs. :-)`
`20:09.50`	`rahul`	`heh`
`20:10.04`	`rahul`	`M-x self-defense`
`20:10.07`	`karsten`	`rahul: Pretty is only skin deep.`
`20:10.13`	`karsten`	`rahul: vim goes straight to the bone.`
`20:10.18`	`rahul`	`hmm`
`20:10.23`	`rahul`	`vim only has bones`
`20:10.33`	`cydork`	`JordiGH: emacs rocks and they know it.. :P`
`20:10.44`	`rahul`	`and I don't care if my _editor_ is pretty`
`20:11.02`	`rahul`	`funny thing is that I'm listening to Disturbed right now`
`20:11.10`	`rahul`	`but it's the wrong song for this conversation`
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`20:11.21`	`Azar`	`vim is my favorite, rahul your rank just dropped one line in my eyes`
`20:11.28`	`rahul`	`I used to use vim`
`20:11.33`	`rahul`	`it's not powerful enough`
`20:11.37`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: But that's where my ctrl key is.`
`20:11.37`	`rahul`	`it doesn't read my mind.`
`20:11.45`	`rahul`	`you don't need ctrl in vi`
`20:11.47`	`karsten`	`rahul: It reads mine ...`
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`20:11.51`	`gypsymauro`	`hi`
`20:11.53`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Do you have to move your wrists away from the homerow keys, then? I pity you. :-)`
`20:11.55`	`karsten`	`rahul: ... but keeps returning short-read errors.`
`20:12.00`	`rahul`	`heh`
`20:12.08`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: Reach high and left for esc. No problems.`
`20:12.10`	`rahul`	`karsten: vim gets lost in my tangled web`
`20:12.22`	`rahul`	`emacs just looks around till it finds something good`
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`20:12.33`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: Unacceptable. My powerful, unencumbered wrists will destroy you.`
`20:12.39`	`Azar`	`rahul: hooked-on-the-looks`
`20:12.47`	`karsten`	`JordiGH: I do 96 WPM. Fine enough for me.`
`20:12.49`	`rahul`	`looks?`
`20:13.02`	`JordiGH`	`Alrighty... this is a type-off...`
`20:13.03`	`rahul`	`no, it looks. it's not for looks.`
`20:13.04`	`gypsymauro`	`I'm using debian etch and I installed both kde and gnome but now my menus are a mess...If I open for example Applications-> internet in gnome I have a plethora of applications, there is a way to show just gnome apps in gnome and kde apps in kde?`
`20:13.19`	`rahul`	`karsten: emacs does 1000000000 WPM`
`20:13.24`	`Azar`	`haha`
`20:13.26`	`JordiGH`	`gypsymauro: Not that I know of...`
`20:13.26`	`rahul`	`karsten: I only need to do about 10`
`20:13.36`	`rahul`	`(to get emacs to do that much)`
`20:13.50`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: Tuxtype ;-)`
`20:14.01`	`madclicker`	`how can i start an md device after i issued a "mdadm --stop" command?`
`20:14.10`	`karsten`	`gypsymauro: My understanding is that GNOME / KDE provide their own menues. You can also override Debian's emnu system with your own though I usually don't.`
`20:14.22`	`gypsymauro`	`JordiGH: that will be a problem in the long term`
`20:14.22`	`rahul`	`ironically, in #lisp, we're discussing emacs replacements`
`20:14.31`	`JordiGH`	`karsten: I have the same problem as gypsymauro, except that I use KDE. :-)`
`20:14.42`	`rahul`	`that is, fsf emacs replacements`
`20:14.45`	`karsten`	`gypsymauro: ... the gNOME / KDE menues are actually part of the Debian menu config but are typically a subset. One solution is to not install su much , um, stuff.`
`20:14.56`	`Azar`	`as a beginner , learning C I prefer vim over any other editor`
`20:15.13`	`JordiGH`	`There are so many more KDE apps than GNOME apps (moving on to the next flamewar...)`
`20:15.18`	`rfrank`	`karsten, how do you edit the debian menus`
`20:15.28`	`JordiGH`	`So the extra few GNOME apps don't really clutter up my K menu.`
`20:15.28`	`karsten`	`rahul: I started with vi (BSD 3.4 or thereabouts), learned emacs, relatively well, on SunOS about 1996, then got on systems that didn't have it.`
`20:15.30`	`rfrank`	`karsten, been asking that for days, I use xfce, just want to edit the programs menus`
`20:15.31`	`rahul`	`Azar: I program in dozens of languages, some custom. emacs works well for that.`
`20:15.39`	`JordiGH`	`Speaking of which, what was that package for replacing the K menu?`
`20:15.44`	`davis`	`i have used reportbug to find some bugs which might relate to my problem. How can I use the tool to examine the bug reports based upon the bug number?`
`20:15.44`	`karsten`	`Unfortunately by the time I was on Linux, my vimemory was too strong.`
`20:15.44`	`helo`	`jordiGH: probably because most GUI programmers would rather use C++`
`20:15.46`	`rahul`	`karsten: tramp is your friend`
`20:15.51`	`gypsymauro`	`karsten: eh.. you are right but as member of a lug I usally show in public my laptop with both gnome and kde desktops.. and it's a probelm it looks like not so much clean`
`20:15.52`	`Azar`	`rahul: well I guess is a matter of taste and feel..`
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`20:15.55`	`biopyte`	`karsten: i know this. once i kicked apps out of the menu, they come back after the next 'apt-get upgrade'`
`20:15.59`	`rahul`	`Azar: no, this is more functional`
`20:16.04`	`Azar`	`rahul: bs`
`20:16.06`	`rahul`	`Azar: emacs is just more powerful`
`20:16.11`	`Azar`	`bs`
`20:16.18`	`rahul`	`Azar: it's more programmable. it has more ability to control the screen`
`20:16.23`	`karsten`	`biopyte: menus are part of debian policy. RTFM.`
`20:16.29`	`JordiGH`	`Aha. Found it:`
`20:16.35`	`w00ter`	`I can't get phpmyadmin to work. Config file cannot be found. It's there though`
`20:16.36`	`rahul`	`Azar: you can create overlays to translate code into different forms`
`20:16.37`	`schme`	`Comparing emacs to vi makes little sense :)`
`20:16.39`	`JordiGH`	`!info kbfx`
`20:16.43`	`dpkg`	`kbfx: (an alternative to K-Menu for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.4.9.2~rc4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1272 kB, Installed size: 3748 kB`
`20:16.45`	`Azar`	`rahul: it just goes better along with the architecture of your brains`
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`20:16.47`	`rahul`	`Azar: you can add buttons to your files`
`20:17.03`	`Azar`	`buttons? oh my gui-baby`
`20:17.04`	`rahul`	`Azar: you can interact directly with the language while you're editing`
`20:17.10`	`rahul`	`buttons are not a gui concept`
`20:17.14`	`JordiGH`	`helo: I'll code in C++ too, but that's just because it's all I really know, like Emacs. :P`
`20:17.16`	`rahul`	`the enter key works on buttons`
`20:17.32`	`rfrank`	`argh.`
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`20:17.46`	`rfrank`	`does anyone know how to edit the debian programs menu X_X`
`20:17.48`	`rahul`	`emacs interactive buffer features work fine on a vt100 or in X or in MS Windows`
`20:17.51`	`Azar`	`graphical interface might be convenient, I prefer text-based apps`
`20:17.58`	`rahul`	`rfrank: /usr/share/menu no?`
`20:18.02`	`rahul`	`Azar: this is text based`
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`20:18.06`	`rahul`	`Azar: as I just said`
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`20:18.18`	`KR-data`	`hi is there a way to reset all configuration-files to the default for eg. apache2`
`20:18.23`	`w00ter`	`I tried reinstalling phpmyadmin to no avail. Used to work fine.`
`20:18.25`	`biopyte`	`karsten. i know. update-menus is running after each upgrade.`
`20:18.29`	`JordiGH`	`rahul: Well, that's not completely true... Processes have problems in Windows, especially if you attempt to compile Emacs as a dos app.`
`20:18.36`	`rahul`	`Azar: they're never actually rendered as graphical widgets even in a gui`
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`20:18.51`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: I was talking about the ui`
`20:18.52`	`infernix`	`!beer infernix`
`20:18.55`	`Azar`	`rahul: ok, you convinced me: I love vim`
`20:19.16`	`rahul`	`JordiGH: unix signals don't translate well to windows`
`20:19.20`	`Azar`	`no "wtf"?`
`20:19.39`	`rahul`	`wtf would I wtf about?`
`20:19.43`	`rahul`	`you're just being dense :)`
`20:19.48`	`Azar`	`hahaha`
`20:19.51`	`peter_11`	`hi. I'm running a test for a JavaScript library and don't have KDE available. Could someone please visit this page and tell me what they see in Konq for KDE 2, 3, 4? http://peter.michaux.ca/temp/insertScripts.html`
`20:20.45`	`rahul`	`at least vim finally added a directory browser`
`20:21.29`	`rahul`	`I used to keep laughing when my coworker had to type 20 numbers to open the most recent log file each time`
`20:21.49`	`rahul`	`I would just click on it after hitting tab`
`20:22.10`	`peter_11`	`mais no`
`20:22.54`	`meff`	`whats the replacement for readcd in wodim?`
`20:23.19`	`rfrank`	`<include type="system" style="simple" unique="true" legacy="true"/> where is the file that this includes`
`20:23.19`	`KR-data`	`since noone answered I suppose noone saw my question: Is there a simple way to reset all configuration-files for a package like the apache2-package?`
`20:24.02`	`rahul`	`can vim open files on other computers yet?`
`20:24.18`	`rfrank`	`KR-data, you could probably do sudo dpkg --purge apache2 then reinstall it`
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`20:24.34`	`KR-data`	`rfrank: I'll try, thanks :)`
`20:25.06`	`JordiGH`	`Er, what was the key to open Ksnapshot?`
`20:25.13`	`itchi`	`KR-data: Maybe with reconfiguring each one be the hand dpkg-reconfigure -a :-)`
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`20:26.24`	`KR-data`	`itchi: I'll take a look on that one if the first one fails :)`
`20:27.00`	`itchi`	`KR-data: The problem, the way i showed, you gona drink many beer, take so long`
`20:27.12`	`w00ter`	`what's the way to install packages of testing in debian again? Updating sources.list then apt-get update apt-get install package ?`
`20:27.20`	`itchi`	`KR-data: Or just reconfigure that needed package, if you know which one`
`20:27.27`	`JordiGH`	`peter_11: http://www.cimat.mx/~jordi/piccies/konqui.png`
`20:27.32`	`JordiGH`	`peter_11: Sorry it took a while.`
`20:27.47`	`peter_11`	`thanks. Nice of you to post a pic.`
`20:27.57`	`peter_11`	`can you list what version of KDE and Konq`
`20:27.59`	`peter_11`	`?`
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`20:28.10`	`storkme`	`help.. i get this error on boot: 'kernel panic: attempted to kill init!'`
`20:28.11`	`h3sp4wn`	`w00ter: You are better off using backports.org if you are using stable`
`20:28.17`	`KR-data`	`itchi: I'm pretty sure it's either apache2 or apache2-common, it's the first time I use Debian, so I have to get used to it :)`
`20:28.38`	`JordiGH`	`jordi@Ophelia:~$ konqui --version`
`20:28.38`	`JordiGH`	`Qt: 3.3.6`
`20:28.38`	`JordiGH`	`SlackDeb: 3.5.5`
`20:28.38`	`JordiGH`	`Konqueror: 3.5.3`
`20:28.38`	`*** kick/#debian [JordiGH!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood)`
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`20:28.54`	`SlackDeb`	`wft?`
`20:28.55`	`jasta`	`ah-ha, figured it out.`
`20:28.56`	`JordiGH`	`Konqueror: 3.5.3`
`20:28.56`	`SlackDeb`	`:P`
`20:29.03`	`peter_11`	`jordiGH thanks`
`20:29.05`	`davis`	`dpkg-reconfigure exim does not work.`
`20:29.11`	`jasta`	`hinting must be set lower than "full" in fontconfig for subpixel hinting to be applied.`
`20:29.11`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: Hehe, the kick ;-)`
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`20:30.03`	`JordiGH`	`peter_11: np`
`20:30.10`	`JordiGH`	`peter_11: bienvenu`
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`20:30.21`	`peter_11`	`salut`
`20:30.30`	`storkme`	`i think that's bad`
`20:30.36`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: Are you French`
`20:30.55`	`JordiGH`	`itchi: No, but I can speak it quite well. It's a lot like Spanish, so it's easy.`
`20:31.08`	`JordiGH`	`itchi: And if you ever catch me making mistakes in French, well, that's because I'm thinking in Spanish. ;-)`
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`20:31.25`	`riot`	`hi.`
`20:31.32`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: As Spanish, hehe, i not find that ;-) I talk french with my woman ;-)`
`20:32.05`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: But i dunno about Spanish too, maybe that hah`
`20:32.32`	`riot`	`my openssh only uses ipv6 when forwarding a port to another machine (it connects there using ipv4 and then just opens ipv6-ports there only) although i gave it a -4 switch. What can i do?`
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`20:32.54`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: bitch`
`20:33.09`	`JordiGH`	`peter_11: I can't help noticing that all the free browsers pass your tests but the non-free ones don't. ;-)`
`20:33.32`	`peter_11`	`true (minus NN6 which is still a problem)`
`20:33.33`	`storkme`	`help.. i get this error on boot: 'kernel panic: attempted to kill init!'`
`20:33.35`	vin`	`abrotman: what did you do now?`
`20:34.09`	`tarzeau`	vin`: nothing :)
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`20:34.16`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: tried http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Arkanoid%3A%20Space%20Ball yet?`
`20:34.33`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Tried VegaStrike yet?`
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`20:34.47`	`tarzeau`	vin`: really the human being, if you put him into happyness luck and money, he won't ever be content, there's always that he'll do to annoy you
`20:34.55`	vin`	`tarzeau: bloboats is fun.`
`20:34.55`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: no? screenshots?`
`20:35.03`	`tarzeau`	vin`: did you break any time record?
`20:35.04`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: apt-get it. :-)`
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`20:35.12`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: tried brutalchess or mazeofgalious?`
`20:35.14`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: It's like Wing Commander.`
`20:35.24`	vin`	`tarzeau: nah, you know I suck at games.`
`20:35.34`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Nope. Apt-getting them now.`
`20:36.05`	`itchi`	`tarzeau: Liable or abrotman showed me 'Liquid war' some days ago, find it so funny`
`20:36.19`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: i hated wing commander`
`20:36.34`	`tarzeau`	`itchi: the particles that you eat others?`
`20:36.52`	`pickcoder`	`storkme: are there any errors before that`
`20:36.54`	`eneloop`	`was there a game called "wing commander"?`
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`20:37.04`	`tarzeau`	`itchi: yeah, that's really REALLY funny :)`
`20:37.22`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: and nethack?`
`20:37.32`	vin`	`and bubbles?`
`20:37.54`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Aww... :-( Well, what did you think of Supertuxkart?`
`20:38.00`	`itchi`	`tarzeau: Know you some similars good games? ;-p`
`20:38.04`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: the gameplay sucks`
`20:38.11`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: ever played mario kart on snes?`
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`20:38.21`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: Long time ago...`
`20:38.34`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: tried www.mtp-target.org ?`
`20:38.42`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: nope.`
`20:38.46`	`tarzeau`	`itchi: hm, no, but there's some quite good multiplayer games`
`20:39.03`	`itchi`	`tarzeau: Yeah, im sure too, step by step i got these :-)`
`20:39.29`	`JordiGH`	`tarzeau: antigrav is already in sid? How are the bug reports?`
`20:40.03`	`tarzeau`	`itchi: these come to mind: jumpnbump, gtetrinet and antigravitaattori dodgindiamond2 zatacka`
`20:40.05`	`RvGaTe`	`hm... W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.nl/debian/pool/main/p/python2.4/python2.4-dev_2.4.3-8_i386.deb 404 Not Found`
`20:40.23`	`tarzeau`	`JordiGH: i think the soudn one is the one that stayed, but it can be worked around easily, or patched`
`20:40.31`	`pickcoder`	`storkme: normally the kernel doesn't panic unless something failed.. in that case other errors should show before the kernel panic message`
`20:40.35`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: apt-update, if still fails, try another mirror`
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`20:41.02`	`Orion78`	`Hello, anybody knows what is the rationale for removing ipp2p ?`
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`20:41.40`	`JordiGH`	`What's so brutal about brutalchess? I was hoping to see the Queen and King make out before she stabbed him to death.`
`20:41.46`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: Use you aptitude? btw`
`20:42.01`	`storkme`	`pickcoder, i reckon i'm gonna check my hard drive's working with a live cd before debugging kernel issues`
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`20:42.22`	vin`	`JordiGH: you need the neocon mod for that.`
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`20:42.49`	`itchi`	`Or maybe should i forget to talk completely about apt-get and replace it with aptitude. But still many use apt-get :-(`
`20:42.52`	`JordiGH`	vin`: ?
`20:42.57`	`pickcoder`	`storkme: it could be something simple, but no one can help if you don't have all of the info`
`20:42.58`	`JordiGH`	vin`: Is that in Debian?
`20:43.01`	vin`	`JordiGH: ignore. :)`
`20:43.12`	`nekostar`	`hey anyone familiar with the 'treason uncloaked' mssg in syslog?`
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`20:43.30`	`JordiGH`	`Also, the AI wasn't very good.. It just moved pawns and developed no pieces!`
`20:43.41`	`nekostar`	`kernel: TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer 86.80.50.222:62915/47135 shrinks window 2438348843:2438350303. Repaired.`
`20:44.08`	`nekostar`	`i'm getting a lot of these in my syslog on my server and i dont really understand whats up`
`20:44.10`	`itchi`	`RvGaTe: Got it?`
`20:44.18`	`nekostar`	`i did search google but it didnt make a lot of sense what was said`
`20:44.28`	`nekostar`	`anyone here deal with this before?`
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`20:45.09`	`nimurphy`	`hey, just wondering if the sata issue has been sorted with etch?`
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`20:45.20`	`itchi`	`nimurphy: Wich one exactly?`
`20:45.37`	`abrotman`	vin`: ?
`20:45.52`	`RvGaTe`	`itchi, got it`
`20:45.53`	`nimurphy`	`the one where the installer thought s-ata drivs were scsis`
`20:46.00`	`JordiGH`	`Hm, how to send mail non-interactively?`
`20:46.23`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: mail?`
`20:46.26`	`JordiGH`	`That is, I want a command that will send a file in my home directory when called in a script.`
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`20:46.30`	`JordiGH`	`itchi: Can mail do that?`
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`20:46.57`	vin`	`abrotman: tarzeau`
`20:47.01`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: mail email_addr@server.com -s "Test send mail with cmd mail"`
`20:47.39`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: DoS attack? is it the same IP everytime?`
`20:47.59`	`madclicker`	`is there a howto for deleting and rebuilding am MD RAID partition if i want to change the chunk size?`
`20:48.01`	`JordiGH`	`itchi: prompts for a subject. :-/`
`20:48.22`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: The -s, and pipe stuff to mail`
`20:48.26`	`nimurphy`	`does the etch installer still think sata drives are scses?`
`20:48.29`	`nimurphy`	`i`
`20:49.08`	vin`	`nimurphy: the install worked fine here on sata.`
`20:49.11`	`itchi`	`nimurphy: At leaset here with my laptop, scsi, i had need to recompile the kernel an set scsi support and the sata driver. Maybe help that??`
`20:49.52`	vin`	`the default .17 kernel worked out of the box here.`
`20:50.06`	`nekostar`	`pickcoder`
`20:50.10`	`nekostar`	`it comes in runs`
`20:50.26`	`nimurphy`	`i'll give it a go. if not i'll just use 2.4`
`20:50.29`	`nekostar`	`i got a bash script and an iptables rule for the treason uncloaked and for bashing it`
`20:50.29`	`nimurphy`	`or gentoo!`
`20:50.34`	`nekostar`	`but i wanted to know what it actually is`
`20:50.53`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: ?`
`20:51.05`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: yes?`
`20:51.06`	`nekostar`	`the pattern is i get attacked a number of times by the same ip over a few minutes then it stops for 8 hrs and its a diff ip`
`20:51.07`	vin`	`nekostar: this post gives a summary. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=127984`
`20:51.11`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: bitch ?`
`20:51.12`	`RvGaTe`	`whahooo !!!! i cant remember who gave me the hint, but HPLIB did the job for my printing problems ! :D i can scan and print on my hp photosmart 3210.. thank you :)`
`20:51.20`	`nekostar`	`they arnt all from the same area either..`
`20:51.31`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: did you read the rest? try /lastlog tarzeau`
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`20:51.52`	`shwag`	`if I do 'reset' the screen clears and says "Erase is backspace." Then, when I use vim, my backspace key doesn't work. How do fix this?`
`20:51.58`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/linux/2001-q3/0083.html`
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`20:52.01`	`nekostar`	yeah i saw that btw vin`
`20:52.03`	`abrotman`	`all i got was a URL`
`20:52.10`	`nekostar`	`thing is i dont run http anything nor pop anything either.`
`20:52.15`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: Got it?`
`20:52.24`	`nekostar`	`i run pure-ftpd / iroffer / ircd / bittornado`
`20:52.26`	`JordiGH`	`itchi: Yes. My sysadmin is getting a daily bug report now. >:)`
`20:52.36`	`itchi`	`JordiGH: hehe ;-)`
`20:52.56`	`riot`	`why does openssh only forward on ipv6, even if given -4?`
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`20:53.26`	`itchi`	`riot: Give you an username@host_ipv6 ?`
`20:53.30`	`nekostar`	`mm interesting pickcoder didnt see that one.. but yeah over the coarse of the day i get about 100 of those errors`
`20:53.32`	`madclicker`	`can anyone help me with mdadm?`
`20:53.41`	`pickcoder`	`what's on port 47135?`
`20:53.51`	`nekostar`	`now sprinkled in the log with them is:Dec 6 15:30:39 mybox kernel: eth0: excessive work at interrupt.`
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`20:54.07`	`RvGaTe`	`JordiGH, i think you were the one who gave me the hint about HPLIB (from the article/blog post)`
`20:54.12`	`nekostar`	`so i was thinking perhaps someone is trying to deny eth0 out somehow?`
`20:54.14`	`nekostar`	`:/`
`20:54.24`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: what's on port 47135?`
`20:54.41`	`nekostar`	`mm`
`20:54.43`	`riot`	`itchi: no. i gave it some ver4 ips only. It connects to the remote host then (using ipv4) and there opens the requested port only on ipv6 (which works, but is useless, the box has no real ipv6)`
`20:54.43`	`nekostar`	`nothing?`
`20:54.45`	`JordiGH`	`RvGaTe: Don't think so. Doesn't ring a bell.`
`20:54.46`	`nekostar`	`lemme double check`
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`20:56.35`	`pickcoder`	`if nothing is there then I would be weary of a tar-pit attack`
`20:56.53`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: running a firewall?`
`20:57.39`	`pickcoder`	`n/m`
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`20:58.24`	`nekostar`	`omg pickcoder i love modern torrent sites`
`20:58.28`	`nekostar`	`bittorrent is at that port`
`20:59.03`	`nekostar`	`now wtf would a torrent client be doing like that`
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`21:02.08`	`CharminTheMoose`	`good evening to one and all!`
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`21:02.25`	`ukasz`	`hi`
`21:02.42`	`p33k4y`	`is the gnome-app-install database updated when i update the synaptic database or it's a different one?`
`21:02.44`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: someone on the other side is broken, or someone on the other side is trying to take your box down with tar-pitting`
`21:02.55`	`ukasz`	`do you know what i have to install to change gtk styles to look like in kde`
`21:03.00`	`nekostar`	`rite`
`21:03.02`	`nekostar`	`what is tar pitting`
`21:03.13`	`RvGaTe`	`What package do i need to display system status on my xfce desktop?`
`21:03.13`	`nekostar`	`ukasz your running gnome or kde`
`21:03.17`	`asg`	`nekostar: talking slowly to known morons`
`21:03.21`	`ukasz`	`kde`
`21:03.31`	`pickcoder`	`bashing the stack with incorrectly sized packets so the kernel spins, using up memory, to fix the data`
`21:03.35`	`ukasz`	`i want gtk apps to look like kde ones`
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`21:03.43`	`nekostar`	`ah dunno`
`21:03.51`	`pickcoder`	`until your box chokes itself`
`21:03.54`	`p33k4y`	`woops shuold i have asked in ubuntu sorry for that`
`21:03.59`	`nekostar`	`oic`
`21:04.09`	`nekostar`	`i suppose that other kernel error goes along with that`
`21:04.14`	`pickcoder`	`yes`
`21:04.48`	`nekostar`	`Dec 6 15:30:39 mybox kernel: eth0: excessive work at interrupt.`
`21:04.49`	`nekostar`	`that one`
`21:05.05`	`nekostar`	`now could it be that my hardware is shit?`
`21:05.07`	`riot`	`how can i turn off ipv6 on a network device?`
`21:05.10`	`nekostar`	`[i mean i know it is but]`
`21:05.16`	`abrotman`	`blacklist the ipv6 module`
`21:05.27`	`riot`	`hmm. good idea.`
`21:05.51`	`helo`	`ls`
`21:05.53`	`helo`	`err...`
`21:06.00`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: the error would be on their side, if it was you. the problem is coming from the other end and your hardware/software tries to sort it out`
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`21:06.18`	`madclicker`	`why is etch installer so messed up, i creared a software raid1 for home directory on 60GB of space, i ran out of inodes at 15GB of usage. THAT IS FUCKED`
`21:06.20`	`BankHead`	`don't know`
`21:06.21`	`eucalre`	`I'll soon find out`
`21:06.37`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: just block addresses that show TCP treason`
`21:06.42`	`CharminTheMoose`	`this is pretty cool,i've got quake running in dosemu`
`21:06.48`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: if it's someone you know, they'll probably bug you about it`
`21:06.53`	`itchi`	`madclicker: Your language please!`
`21:06.55`	`ukasz`	`nekostar do you have any idea?`
`21:06.59`	`nekostar`	`pickcoder nope its not`
`21:07.05`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: that's your fault .. you're more than welcome to tune the filesystem`
`21:07.13`	`riot`	`abrotman: That sure needs to restart the networking devices, heh? Can i do that safely on a display-less box?`
`21:07.20`	`nekostar`	`ukasz um in gnome there is a gnome-art package but look in repositories for all engines and gtk themes`
`21:07.23`	`abrotman`	`riot: eh .. no idea`
`21:07.26`	`pickcoder`	`pickcoder: the best way to do that is through an external router`
`21:07.29`	`pickcoder`	`gah`
`21:07.32`	`nekostar`	`i think you need gtk1 themes but im not really sure sorry m8`
`21:07.39`	`pickcoder`	`~nekostar`
`21:07.45`	`madclicker`	`abrotman, but that is etch installer, i just did a straight install`
`21:08.10`	`madclicker`	`abrotman, next thing i know at 15 GB am out of inodes`
`21:08.12`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: and what did you store in that 15GB ? a million 1KB files ?`
`21:08.13`	`asg`	`madclicker: the installer is probably tuned to smaller disks.`
`21:08.17`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: df -i`
`21:08.19`	`madclicker`	`isn't that an installer problem`
`21:08.32`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: paste 'df -i' somewhere`
`21:08.32`	`nekostar`	`pickcoder eh?`
`21:08.33`	`abrotman`	`!paster`
`21:08.33`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
`21:08.36`	`nekostar`	`external router?`
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`21:08.47`	`madclicker`	`abrotman, i didnt the client did, which makes me look like a dick`
`21:08.51`	`nekostar`	`lol this is one of my external servers its like 12K miles from me`
`21:08.56`	`riot`	`Oh. "ifconfig eth0 del $ipv6-address" works like a charm`
`21:08.57`	`helo`	`where should i put a binary-only .ko in /lib/modules so that udev will pick it up?`
`21:09.02`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: tell him to stop storing porn :)`
`21:09.08`	`helo`	`can i put it anywhere other .ko files are?`
`21:09.13`	`madclicker`	`porn is large files`
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`21:09.20`	`abrotman`	`df -i`
`21:09.22`	`asg`	`abrotman: porn is generally large enough so one never hits the inode limit. Must be mail.`
`21:09.28`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: if you don't block them before the packets get to you, you're TCP blocking will be pointless`
`21:10.15`	`riot`	`HAH. Removing all the ipv6-addresses makes openssh bind to ipv4. Seems to be a bug.`
`21:10.29`	`nekostar`	`abrotman one needs many more gigs than 15 for porn: see the 750GB seagates for a good start... i recommend a raid card able to handle 12 drives in a raid 50 config... pr0n is important >_>`
`21:10.37`	`madclicker`	`abrotman, /dev/md5 7.2M 11 7.2M 1% /mnt , but this is after I quickly moved the data to a sata drive and rebuild the filesystem`
`21:10.49`	`nekostar`	`pickcoder i found two fixes`
`21:10.54`	`asg`	`abrotman: unless he's thumbnail harvesting ;)`
`21:10.56`	`pickcoder`	`?`
`21:11.05`	`nekostar`	`one goes through the syslog and bans all ip's that cause the treason uncloaked message`
`21:11.09`	`raf256`	`nekostar: wouldnt it be cheaper to get a hooker instead`
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`21:11.18`	`Lord_Wind`	`hi all`
`21:11.24`	`nekostar`	`the other one bans all ip's that bash 4 times in a minute`
`21:11.26`	`Lord_Wind`	`please help me!`
`21:11.26`	`pickcoder`	`nekostar: banning the IP on your box won't save it from a tar-pit attack`
`21:11.31`	`nekostar`	`raf256 absolutely`
`21:11.43`	`pickcoder`	`you need to stop the packets before they even hit your nic`
`21:11.43`	`nekostar`	`oh you mean null`
`21:11.49`	`itchi`	`madclicker: That is not with the -i option`
`21:11.53`	`nekostar`	`nullroute it`
`21:11.55`	`madclicker`	`abrotman, can i make more inodes. so this shit doesn't happen ?`
`21:11.59`	`nekostar`	`yeah i dont think i can do that`
`21:12.01`	`jatt`	`hmm...The following packages will be REMOVED:`
`21:12.01`	`jatt`	`eclipse eclipse-jdt eclipse-jdt-common eclipse-pde ...`
`21:12.03`	`Lord_Wind`	`how to enable TLS for exim4 mail server`
`21:12.09`	`jatt`	`hm why?`
`21:12.10`	`rahul`	`jatt: rejoice!`
`21:12.19`	`jatt`	`nooo :)`
`21:12.21`	`nekostar`	`though i will talk to my host at the datacenter and ask about it`
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`21:12.27`	`madclicker`	`itchi, you good, there was an h`
`21:12.29`	`madclicker`	`/dev/md5 7503872 11 7503861 1% /mnt`
`21:12.32`	`jatt`	`in fact I use emacs as an editor and eclipse only as a compiler`
`21:12.32`	`rahul`	`you can now sell that extra 2GB of RAM you bought`
`21:12.41`	`itchi`	`madclicker: There left 9`
`21:12.42`	`rahul`	`jatt: emacs works well as a compiler...`
`21:13.03`	`rahul`	`jatt: well, javac works well as a compiler, to be exact`
`21:13.04`	`itchi`	`madclicker: That will be thumbnail :-p`
`21:13.10`	`jatt`	`rahul: yes, but I am impressed with eclipse feature to compile files on the fly, probably this can be done with emacs but not sure why`
`21:13.25`	`rahul`	`jatt: yes. C-c C-v C-c`
`21:13.30`	`jatt`	`rahul: if you have a very big project, the eclipse feature is really good`
`21:13.45`	`rahul`	`shrug`
`21:13.52`	`jelly`	`madclicker: mak mke2fs, look at -N and/or -T options`
`21:13.53`	`rahul`	`I don't use java any more :)`
`21:14.03`	`jelly`	`madclicker: man, even`
`21:14.09`	`madclicker`	`i like a big mak please`
`21:14.13`	`madclicker`	`-_-`
`21:14.28`	`jatt`	`rahul: with eclipse I don't need to press anything additional, if the file is changed it is compiled automatically (well all this went offtopic).`
`21:14.38`	`rahul`	`jatt: you can do that in emacs, too`
`21:15.03`	`rahul`	`jatt: a bit funky, but you can ask the people in #emacs to help you set a timer to find a good time when you're idle for a bit to recompiler`
`21:15.04`	`jasta`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:15.05`	`jasta`	`oops`
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`21:15.13`	`jatt`	`rahul: really? that would be nice to be able to customize it. I use the JDE IDE in emacs.`
`21:15.18`	`rahul`	`jatt: yeah`
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`21:16.30`	`jatt`	`rahul: thanks for your suggestion I will investigate more about this timer feature`
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`21:16.48`	`madclicker`	`ping abrotman`
`21:16.50`	`lero_`	`hi`
`21:16.54`	`rahul`	`jatt: it's a bit complex so ask #emacs`
`21:16.56`	`^ogro^`	`hi lero_`
`21:16.56`	`madclicker`	`you there`
`21:16.59`	`jatt`	`rahul: will do`
`21:17.04`	`lero_`	`i'm trying to apt-get build-dep php5`
`21:17.07`	`lero_`	`but it says`
`21:17.09`	`lero_`	`E-bola: Build-Depends dependency for php5 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libapr1-dev can satisfy version requirements`
`21:17.15`	`rahul`	`jatt: or they may already have it in their configs :)`
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`21:17.19`	`lero_`	`i'm using debian etch`
`21:18.43`	`jatt`	`rahul: I am pretty sure there is some people out there autocompiling java stuff from emacs :), will ask in #emacs, thanks.`
`21:18.56`	`rahul`	`np`
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`21:19.42`	`KR-data`	`ok, what do I do if I deleted apache2.conf and dpkg-reconfigure apache2 doesn't do anything?`
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`21:21.34`	`lero_`	`hey`
`21:21.36`	`lero_`	`E-bola: Build-Depends dependency for php4 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libapr1-dev can satisfy version requirements`
`21:21.44`	`lero_`	`how can i resolve this, i'm using debian etch`
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`21:23.48`	`itchi`	`!configmiss`
`21:23.59`	`itchi`	`!confmiss`
`21:23.59`	`dpkg`	`the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>`
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`21:24.28`	`itchi`	`KR-data: ^^`
`21:24.41`	`KR-data`	`I'm reading, thanks :D`
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`21:26.33`	`eldowan`	`I am trying to extract a few plain-text strings from a binary file. Before the string, there are a few constant bytes: 00:01:0d:00 Is there a best practice for extracting such strings? I'm not sure what to search for, or even where to start, and any pointer(s) would be great.`
`21:26.38`	`KR-data`	`doesn't seem to help :S`
`21:26.41`	`storkme`	`what program can i use to test the integrity of my older-than-life hard drive?`
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`21:27.17`	`bdc34`	`eldowan: man strings`
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`21:28.08`	`Blissex`	`storkme: well, none really, but if it is not that old you could try 'smartctl'. otherwise manufacturer disgnostics. mostly FreeDOS based.`
`21:28.29`	`jatt`	`storkme: badblocks?`
`21:28.36`	`storkme`	`might be`
`21:28.38`	`stew`	`if its an mfm/rll drive you could do a low level format :)`
`21:28.54`	`jatt`	`storkme: there are other utilities, S.M.A.R.T`
`21:29.08`	`jatt`	`ops pressed ENTER too fast`
`21:29.08`	`eldowan`	`bdc34: Thanks for the help, strings appears to be a program that will work. You just got me most of the way to where I want to be. Thanks again :)`
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`21:29.29`	`JoyFM`	`hi`
`21:29.35`	`storkme`	`jatt, how can i use smartctl? my hard drive is so old that it doesn't have an error log`
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`21:30.10`	`jatt`	`there are other utilities , which use S.M.A.R.T (self-monitoring, analysis and reporting technology) to check for errors`
`21:30.24`	`bdc34`	`eldowan: glad to help`
`21:30.33`	`jatt`	`storkme: hm I doubt your drive would support S.M.A.R.T... but maybe you should try bad blocks`
`21:30.56`	`jatt`	`storkme: and if your disk is failing, the kernel should log drive error access messages`
`21:31.09`	`jatt`	`storkme: if you hit the badblocks in normal use of course`
`21:31.38`	`jatt`	`storkme: with badblocks I mean a program with that name`
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`21:32.01`	`storkme`	`oh`
`21:32.06`	`Rhizome`	`Is this #ubuntu?`
`21:32.08`	`Rhizome`	`;)`
`21:32.19`	`jatt`	`it is included in the e2fsprogs package`
`21:32.53`	`jelly`	`storkme: IDE drives newer than, say, 1999, would have at least some SMART capabilities`
`21:32.54`	`azeem`	`Rhizome: do you have a Debian question?`
`21:33.18`	`jatt`	`nice! I thought that was a newer technology`
`21:33.38`	`jelly`	`storkme: there also might be some vendor utilities to check the drive integrity.`
`21:33.48`	`Rhizome`	`azeem: I was joking`
`21:33.57`	`storkme`	`the drive is probably ~1998`
`21:34.06`	`storkme`	`i don't exactly remember, but it's old.`
`21:34.17`	`jelly`	`storkme: well, did you try smartctl?`
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`21:35.16`	`JoyFM`	`i try to update mysql-server 5 (in sid) and get this error : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Oop7TU20.html`
`21:35.24`	`storkme`	`jelly, yeah, i ran a test but i'm not sure how to get the results`
`21:35.27`	`jelly`	`storkme: however your panic message can be caused by all sorts of things, a faulty drive is not what would come to my mind.`
`21:35.48`	`storkme`	`jelly, well i might have bashed the drive a bit.. it's my first boot since moving to a new case`
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`21:36.46`	`jelly`	`storkme: paste the output of smartctl -a /dev/hda , someone will probably know how to interpret the results`
`21:36.55`	`jatt`	`hm. this doesn't look good isn't it?`
`21:36.55`	`jatt`	`smartctl -A /dev/hda`
`21:37.02`	`jelly`	`storkme: use a pastebin of course`
`21:37.09`	`jatt`	`ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE`
`21:37.09`	`jatt`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`21:37.18`	`jatt`	`I mean the "Pre-fail"`
`21:37.33`	`jelly`	`jatt: that's just the type of that field`
`21:38.17`	`jelly`	`jatt: be worried if you see FAILING_NOW instead of that "-" in the second-to-last field`
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`21:39.14`	`jatt`	`oh! I need to read the manpage :). The fact is, after installing an ORACLE XE database on that drive and trying to import a database badblocks reports some bad blocks (about 10) and the kernel says:`
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`21:39.18`	`jatt`	`messages.2.gz:Nov 25 17:10:22 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }`
`21:39.42`	`jatt`	`when trying to import the database. So I concluded the drive of this notebook is about the die`
`21:40.07`	`jatt`	`s/about the die/about to die/`
`21:40.47`	`jelly`	`jatt: not necessarily. Could be just an old kernel, or you tried to access the cdrom on the same channel at the same time, ...`
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`21:41.40`	`jatt`	`jelly: actually is kernel 2.6.18.1. But your idea about the cdrom access make sense. In the logs I see the following:`
`21:41.41`	`jatt`	`messages.3.gz:Nov 18 17:37:59 localhost kernel: hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }`
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`21:41.52`	`jatt`	`i.e. the same error but for /dev/hdc (the cdrom)`
`21:42.04`	`itchi`	`jatt: Is there an bad cd in it?`
`21:42.05`	`loswillios`	`is there a (debian)way to use slrn in an utf-8 terminal?`
`21:42.08`	`jelly`	`jatt: yeah, only that's a week before.`
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`21:42.14`	`jatt`	`hmmm how come accessing the drive at the same time triggers that error? that's new to me`
`21:42.49`	`jatt`	`jelly: yeah :), I just did a fast grep... hmmm but my point is: could a cdrom access affect a hard disk access? or did you mean something different?`
`21:43.08`	`pipeline`	`jatt: You should never use two devices on the same IDE channel at the same time. e.g. hdc, hdd.`
`21:43.13`	`Ricky28269`	`Hello everyone! (wow lots of people 0.0) I am using Xebian (debian for xbox), and I would like to know how I can have the screen auto-turn off after 5 minutes? I'm pretty new to linux...`
`21:43.17`	`jelly`	`jatt: this can happen if you have a slow and a fast drive on the same channel. Fortunately, your laptop has the disk and the cdrom on separate channels.`
`21:43.38`	`jatt`	`jelly: how do I know if two devices are on the same channel?`
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`21:44.15`	`jelly`	`jatt: one IDE channel holds a pair of drives. ide0 = hda+hdb, ide1 = hdc+hdd, etc.`
`21:44.19`	`loswillios`	`do i have to install libslang1-utf8 and patch/compile slrn myself?`
`21:44.52`	`jelly`	`jatt: they're physically connected to the same cable.`
`21:45.49`	`jatt`	`oh I see, didn't know that, thanks. Well I've always heard DriveReady SeekComplete Error is very bad news. In fact I had the same error on another drive some time ago (not on a laptop) and indeed my drive died some days after those errors began to appear.`
`21:46.21`	`jatt`	`what I know is that is only triggered by the oracle database imports and I think it is because the badblocks are in the region the oracle database file is stored, so I don't try to do that on my laptop anymore`
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`21:47.48`	`Ricky28269`	`There are now 666 users in this channel.`
`21:47.50`	`Ricky28269`	`Spooky...`
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`21:47.59`	`Ricky28269`	`mwk you ruined it.`
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`21:48.10`	`Ricky28269`	`:)`
`21:48.12`	`jelly`	`jatt: I'd do a surface scan to be sure. Were there I/O errors in dmesg too? Was the filesystem remounted read-only?`
`21:48.16`	`mwk`	`huh?`
`21:48.26`	`Ricky28269`	`there was 666 users in this channel, then you joined lol`
`21:48.40`	`Ricky28269`	`so i guess it was a good thing then. if you're superstitious anyway`
`21:48.42`	`biopyte`	`mwk, you saved us`
`21:48.53`	`jelly`	`Ricky28269: kick yourself off the channel to make it 666 again!`
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`21:49.02`	`Ricky28269`	`noooooooo! i need help...`
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`21:49.22`	`Ricky28269`	`yay`
`21:49.23`	`Ricky28269`	`666`
`21:49.24`	`itchi`	`jatt: Mostly, that some news to tell you he is dieing`
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`21:49.30`	`jelly`	`This monkey's gone to heaven`
`21:49.33`	`Ricky28269`	`i feel the evil emitted from my screen.`
`21:49.35`	`Ricky28269`	`okay anyway`
`21:49.36`	`Brian__`	`I need to burn a DVD with the computer debian is installed on. Its a stripped debian with no GUI. Is there a program which can burn ISO files to DVD from the terminal`
`21:49.37`	`Ricky28269`	`i need help`
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`21:49.52`	`jelly`	`Brian__: growisofs`
`21:50.01`	`jatt`	`jelly: I ran badblocks with the device mounted I think I don't mount that partition read-only. I don't see IO errors in the kernel logs though (zgrep IO /var/log/messages*)`
`21:50.03`	`Brian__`	`jelly: thanks`
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`21:50.08`	`itchi`	`jatt: Maybe ide cables or whatever are broken, sad cd in cd rom`
`21:50.32`	`jelly`	`sad girl on the IDE cable`
`21:50.48`	`Ricky28269`	`jatt: have you ever heard of SpinRite? if not, you should look into it. it's a great program for fixing hard drives`
`21:51.05`	`jatt`	`itchi: I heard that too. But at the time only few badblocks are being reported (~10), so if the number of badblocks doesn't increase probably I am on the safe side, anyway I will look for alternatives, maybe buy a new disk for this laptop`
`21:51.11`	`itchi`	`Ricky28269: Yeah, $ too`
`21:51.15`	`Ricky28269`	`well yeah`
`21:51.26`	`jelly`	`Ricky28269: what's that? I usually use HDD vendor's tools`
`21:51.31`	`pheber`	`i have 2 debian systems installed sarge and demudi. grub is istalled from the second system, now i would like to change that so to install grub from sarge. would it be enough to run "grub-install /dev/sda1" where sda1 is the mbr partition?`
`21:51.34`	`jatt`	`spinrite? no, is it in the archives?`
`21:51.34`	`itchi`	`jatt: Most time, when it begin, it end`
`21:51.45`	`Ricky28269`	`jatt: no, http://www.spinrite.info`
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`21:51.47`	`mwk`	`anyway, i got a problem with installing debian on Sun Blade 100`
`21:51.50`	`Ricky28269`	`it costs money, but man does it work`
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`21:52.01`	`itchi`	`jatt: Backup your stuff and go buy an replacement`
`21:52.07`	`mwk`	`the CD boots fine, but when it gets to language selection, it ignores all keyboard input`
`21:52.15`	`jelly`	`Ricky28269: a read over the whole disk can trigger sector can trigger sector remapping too I think.`
`21:52.18`	`mwk`	`[it's SPARC mini.iso with kernel 2.6]`
`21:52.41`	`Ricky28269`	`yes, not just that but spinrite pretty much exercises the drive in order to help S.M.A.R.T. do its job`
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`21:53.07`	`jelly`	`Brian__: It's in the dvd+rw-tools package`
`21:53.21`	`jatt`	`well but if it is a physical error, I doubt any software would fix that better than put a filesystem on the device ignoring the bad blocks (mkfs is able to do that). Will take a look at the link though, thanks`
`21:53.57`	`itchi`	`Ricky28269: There was an great alternative, on UBCD or the Rescue live cd, or 911, i dunno`
`21:54.28`	`Ricky28269`	`jelly: check this out, steve gibson really came up with a novel idea that makes spinrite work... http://www.grc.com/srphysics.htm`
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`21:54.57`	`jelly`	`Ricky28269: omg, steve gibson is NOT what I'd call a quality reference ;-)`
`21:55.05`	`sphenxes`	`!etch`
`21:55.06`	`dpkg`	`from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html`
`21:55.12`	`Ricky28269`	`what's wrong with steve gibson?`
`21:55.13`	`Brian__`	`jelly: I am going to be burning a bootable ISO file, is there any special thing I should know before going about this`
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`21:55.50`	`jelly`	`Brian__: nope, if you have an iso image ready, there's a command line in the manual just for that.`
`21:55.52`	`SnackM`	`is there an easy way of getting the current users ip running a shell script?`
`21:55.56`	`Brian__`	`jelly: my understanding is the command growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/tmp/myisofile.iso is the command for burning`
`21:56.04`	`jelly`	`Brian__: basically one option... yes.`
`21:56.11`	`loswillios`	`anyone with slrn+utf8 here?`
`21:56.19`	Squall`	Has anyone encountered this error message when installing e17 from edevelop.org: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/enlightenment_1%3a0.16.999.037-0cvs20061204_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop', which is also in package enlightenment-data
`21:56.20`	`SnackM`	`like if i run this shell script i want to print out what ip i am connecting from`
`21:56.22`	`jelly`	`Brian__: I think without the =`
`21:56.34`	`itchi`	`jatt: See if you find there your tool http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/`
`21:56.47`	`jelly`	`Brian__: that is, growisofs -Z device some.iso`
`21:56.59`	`Brian__`	`jelly: got it`
`21:57.06`	`abrotman`	Squall`: there's an e channel somewhere
`21:57.21`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: yes .. you can .. when you create the FS`
`21:57.24`	Squall`	`Yes, I'm on it. However this is also a HEAVILY debian-related issue.`
`21:57.30`	`jelly`	`Brian__: naah, man says you're right: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso`
`21:57.32`	`Ricky28269`	`so uh... just want to ask my question again, maybe one of you knows but missed the first time... how do i configure a blank screen saver (or screen turning off) after a time limit in debian?`
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`21:57.39`	`sredna`	`Hi`
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`21:57.47`	`sredna`	`How do I find the previous version of a package?`
`21:57.58`	`zinx`	`jelly: no, the = burns the iso directly`
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`21:58.08`	`zinx`	`jelly: if you don't put the =, it burns the .iso as a file on the disc`
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`21:58.19`	`itchi`	`sredna: In the dpkg log file`
`21:58.24`	`jelly`	`zinx: yup, my bad`
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`21:58.27`	`zinx`	`jelly: erh, missed your second line`
`21:58.28`	`jatt`	`itchi: thanks for the link. I find the page design a little annoying ;)`
`21:58.31`	`sredna`	`itchi: Thank you`
`21:58.45`	`madclicker`	`abrotman, thanks`
`21:58.50`	`pheber`	`i have 2 debian systems installed sarge and demudi. grub is istalled from the second system, now i would like to change that so to install grub from sarge. would it be enough to run "grub-install /dev/sda1" where sda1 is the mbr partition?`
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`21:59.12`	`SnackM`	`is the connected users ip stored in a variable or something that i can grab easily?`
`21:59.20`	`itchi`	`jatt: There are some "live rescue cd's". Need to find your ideal tool. There are differents rescue tools`
`21:59.31`	`jelly`	`Ricky28269: hmm, that SpinRite thingy is almost a hunnert bucks.`
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`22:00.08`	`grendelson`	`I just tried to install libmms0 adn I get an error ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory I tried to run ldconfig but no luck > not sure where this got messed up?`
`22:00.17`	`jatt`	`I will use it when they release it with GPL then :)`
`22:00.26`	`grendelson`	`or what to edit to get it to work`
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`22:01.03`	`jelly`	`Ricky28269: my impulse buy decisions stop at about $40 ;-)`
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`22:03.26`	`itchi`	`grendelson: Looks like there should be a bug or so. I had heard someone others complaining too about it. Not have follow the story. Look to open bugs??`
`22:03.58`	`grendelson`	`itchi - I looked in bugs under libmms0 and only one not realted- is it an ldconfig bug ?`
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`22:04.41`	`itchi`	`grendelson: I dunno exatcly, have heard it, a day or two ago. But i dunno, like i not know what it is`
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`22:06.32`	`itchi`	`grendelson: I have installed libmms0 it's done, without any error. What have you install exactly?`
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`22:08.31`	`itchi`	`grendelson: Maybe some related stuff are bugy or so?? Trying to figure it out`
`22:08.59`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: how many partitions do you have now ?`
`22:09.13`	`abrotman`	`madclicker: and df -i is useful :)`
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`22:10.52`	`itchi`	`abrotman: There left 9 inodes on his partition`
`22:12.21`	`helo`	`etch is going to install and enable xen by default right?`
`22:12.33`	`Rydekull`	`!etch`
`22:12.33`	`dpkg`	`it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html`
`22:12.46`	`karsten`	`helo: Generally, stuff isn't enabled unless it's installed.`
`22:12.54`	`abrotman`	`itchi: eh ?`
`22:13.00`	`abrotman`	`helo: doubtful`
`22:13.01`	`helo`	`aww c'mon... i was just trolling... you don't have to get all authoritative :)`
`22:13.06`	`karsten`	`helo: That's really a matter of the xen package and installation, not etch.`
`22:13.08`	`itchi`	`abrotman: About madclicker trouble`
`22:13.11`	`abrotman`	`karsten: what did i do ?`
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`22:13.27`	`karsten`	`abrotman: ??]`
`22:13.36`	`admin_`	`whats the /dev/* for an SD card?`
`22:13.38`	`abrotman`	`karsten: apparently someone is dreaming of me or some crap`
`22:13.42`	`karsten`	`abrotman: Hopefully you didn't make a liar out of me and pay the piper.`
`22:13.44`	`abrotman`	`admin_: dmesg should tell you`
`22:13.49`	`helo`	`suse enterprise 10.1 included xen enabled by default, and it turned out to nearly cripple the whole thing`
`22:13.49`	`karsten`	`abrotman: No, you're dreaming about them.`
`22:13.57`	`abrotman`	`karsten: http://pastebin.ca/269412`
`22:13.58`	`karsten`	`abrotman: ... for profit.`
`22:13.59`	`admin_`	`abrotman: well..its kinda not`
`22:14.14`	`georgy`	`admin_ : /dev/sdx, i think`
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`22:14.26`	`admin_`	`georgy: and x, would be 0 or 1..?`
`22:14.29`	`abrotman`	`admin_: normally /dev/sd? .. do you have the correct drivers loaded ?`
`22:14.45`	`admin_`	`abrotman: well, the problem in dmesg seems that the card dosnt have a valid fs`
`22:14.47`	`abrotman`	`/dev/sda1 or /dev/sdr9 or whatever`
`22:14.50`	`karsten`	`abrotman: rahul was talking smack, I had to say _something_.`
`22:14.53`	`georgy`	`admin_: watch in dmesg`
`22:14.55`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`22:15.13`	`paccer`	`i have a quick aptitude question - i cant figure out how to see the version of the application im going to install with a apt-get... if i do apt-cache search for an application - i just get app name and description - not version`
`22:15.53`	`abrotman`	`apt-cache show or apt-cache policy`
`22:15.54`	`itchi`	`paccer: Maybe that's why we use aptitude??`
`22:16.14`	`paccer`	`itchi: you use aptitude because you cant see version?`
`22:16.24`	`itchi`	`paccer: No, to see it`
`22:16.42`	`itchi`	`ug, bit weird what i told haha`
`22:16.58`	`admin_`	`abrotman: how can i uh...lemme think, something like write a fs to the SD card so i can read it?`
`22:17.08`	`jatt`	`paccer: ? aptitude shows the version number of the package to be installed`
`22:17.09`	`admin_`	`abrotman: becuase it seems like its corrupt/and or dosnt have one`
`22:17.21`	`abrotman`	`is there stuff on hit ?`
`22:17.23`	`abrotman`	`on it`
`22:17.27`	`admin_`	`abrotman: not sure`
`22:17.29`	`itchi`	`paccer: I use aptitude, only use apt-cache some time`
`22:17.38`	`paccer`	`jatt, itchi: yeah - aparently aptitude shows.. im just a apt-get'o'holic`
`22:18.00`	`paccer`	`ive never used "the real" aptitude actually :S`
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`22:18.33`	`itchi`	`paccer: apt-get install foo s/apt-get/aptitude/; done`
`22:18.36`	`admin_`	`Anyone know how to write a fs to SD card?`
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`22:18.53`	`abrotman`	`you don't know if there is stuff on your sd card ?`
`22:19.04`	`paccer`	`thanks :) - aparently aptitude is my answer`
`22:19.04`	`admin_`	`abrotman: not sure, its old, havent used it in a long time`
`22:19.23`	`abrotman`	`so format it vfat`
`22:19.31`	`admin_`	`abrotman: how? (/me is a noob)`
`22:19.36`	`itchi`	`paccer: Yeah, and near the same usage + good featurs, and an text interface :-)`
`22:19.43`	`paccer`	`im going to use apt-cache show though :P`
`22:19.44`	`storkme`	`hmm.. is it a bad idea to use reiser for my server -- if you count that all my actual data is on a seperate hard drive running ext3.. the server hard drive is totally for operating system + SWAP only.`
`22:19.48`	`abrotman`	`mkfs.vfat .. but you'll have to get the reader recognized first`
`22:19.55`	`paccer`	`itchi: i do not like an text interface :P`
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`22:20.02`	`admin_`	`abrotman: well, i have no idea what the card is showing up as`
`22:20.03`	`paccer`	`itchi: not in this case`
`22:20.07`	`itchi`	`paccer: You gona like it :-p`
`22:20.16`	`helo`	`in grub, (hd2) should be /dev/hdc right?`
`22:20.20`	`abrotman`	`usb reader ?`
`22:20.21`	`paccer`	`i doubt that - but im open minded ;) - ill give it a go`
`22:20.31`	`itchi`	`paccer: It's ideal when you want to browse in the stuff`
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`22:20.46`	`jatt`	`paccer: you can get the available versions with apt-cache policy`
`22:20.53`	`karsten`	`admin_: mkfs.<fstype> <device>`
`22:20.57`	`admin_`	`abrotman: the reader is fine (its a laptop builtin), i see in dmesg, one of the problems with card is that it cant read the partition table, its all errors on stuff`
`22:20.57`	`paccer`	`i think apt-cache search, apt-get install and google is deal for that :P`
`22:21.05`	`jatt`	`paccer: that would be an alternative: apt-get update; apt-cache policy <package>`
`22:21.11`	`karsten`	`admin_: What's an SD type?`
`22:21.16`	`karsten`	`admin_: s/type/card/`
`22:21.19`	`paccer`	`jatt: thank you :)`
`22:21.26`	`abrotman`	`karsten: camera card and such`
`22:21.30`	`admin_`	`karsten: and SD card`
`22:21.31`	`karsten`	`admin_: dmesg or cat /proc/partitions`
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`22:21.47`	`karsten`	`admin_: Likely /dev/sd[a-g]`
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`22:21.48`	`admin_`	`karsten: its a small little card that can hold stuff`
`22:22.06`	`karsten`	`admin_: * REALLY ???!!! *`
`22:22.14`	`admin_`	`karsten: well..uh..didnt you ask?`
`22:22.32`	`karsten`	`admin_: I figured it was storage of some sort. Does SD stand for anything semantic?`
`22:22.32`	`itchi`	`karsten: http://www.sdcard.org/`
`22:22.48`	`abrotman`	`Silly Disc`
`22:22.50`	`karsten`	`secure digital.`
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`22:23.06`	`Andy80`	`hello`
`22:23.18`	`ApEtc`	`tape?`
`22:23.24`	`ApEtc`	`Wait, that wouldn't be a card.`
`22:23.31`	`Andy80`	`what is the name of that ncurses based service manager for debian?`
`22:23.32`	`admin_`	`karsten: when i try to make a fs on the card, it says "mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count"`
`22:23.45`	`rahul`	`so the circle has been completed`
`22:23.54`	`karsten`	`Andy80: vim`
`22:24.06`	`Andy80`	`karsten, no... not that...`
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`22:24.14`	`eeyore-`	`howdy`
`22:24.18`	`admin_`	`karsten: when i try to make a fs on the card, it says "mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count"`
`22:24.18`	`abrotman`	`rcconf`
`22:24.20`	`Andy80`	`is something similar to ubuntu bum, but ncurses based`
`22:24.27`	`Andy80`	`abrotman, yeah!!!`
`22:24.34`	`abrotman`	`!beer me`
`22:24.38`	`rahul`	`abrotman: so now you know`
`22:24.47`	`karsten`	`Andy80: 'apropos service \| grep manager'`
`22:24.50`	`karsten`	`Andy80: ... perhaps.`
`22:25.01`	`abrotman`	`rahul: know what ?`
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`22:25.26`	`rahul`	`abrotman: you don't know?`
`22:25.30`	`rahul`	`interesting.`
`22:26.02`	`admin_`	`karsten: when i try to make a fs on the card, it says "mkfs.ext2: invalid blocks count"`
`22:26.03`	`abrotman`	`asshat`
`22:26.19`	`eeyore-`	`admin123: what "card" is this?`
`22:26.29`	`eeyore-`	`admin_: ^^^`
`22:26.29`	`itchi`	`admin_: With wich tool?`
`22:26.48`	`admin_`	`itchi: huh...mkfs`
`22:27.02`	`admin_`	`eeyore-: an SD card, some old 32MB card`
`22:27.12`	`itchi`	`admin_: Yeah, that's dumb as question haha`
`22:27.28`	`eeyore-`	`admin_: how is it interfaced to the system, via IDE interface?`
`22:27.37`	`admin_`	`eeyore-: well, its in my laptops card reader`
`22:27.50`	`eeyore-`	`oh`
`22:27.56`	`eeyore-`	`usb ...`
`22:28.07`	`itchi`	`eeyore-: Here on the laptop, it's an 6-1 multicard reader, looks like its more common in Europe`
`22:28.08`	`admin_`	`eeyore-: there's nothing wrong with the reader`
`22:28.10`	`eeyore-`	`admin_: did you fdisk it first?`
`22:28.15`	`admin_`	`eeyore-: no...`
`22:28.19`	`admin_`	`eeyore-: i have no diea what to do`
`22:28.27`	`abrotman`	`eeyore-: where've you been hiding?`
`22:28.29`	`karsten`	`admin_: Can't help you a lot. Might ensure you're using the proper device, with permissions.`
`22:28.30`	`eeyore-`	`admin_: so you don't know if the partition table is right or not? :-) fdisk it then`
`22:28.34`	`eeyore-`	`abrotman: #gentoo and #beryl`
`22:28.43`	`admin_`	`eeyore-: how do i fdisk it`
`22:28.55`	`eeyore-`	`what the heck is sns syndrome?`
`22:29.00`	`abrotman`	`admin_: what's the device name?`
`22:29.04`	`abrotman`	`!sns syndrome`
`22:29.04`	`dpkg`	`well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition.`
`22:29.07`	`admin_`	`abrotman: /dev/sdb`
`22:29.10`	`itchi`	`admin_: The module sdhci and mmc_block are been loaded?`
`22:29.19`	`abrotman`	`admin_: fdisk -l /dev/sdb ... see anything (run as root)`
`22:29.21`	`eeyore-`	`abrotman: you got it, 2.6.19-gentoo-r1 :-)`
`22:29.24`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
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`22:29.32`	`admin_`	`itchi: usb 1-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 17`
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`22:29.59`	`itchi`	`admin_: I used cfdisk some hours ago to format it`
`22:30.12`	`admin_`	`itchi: can you tell me how?`
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`22:30.24`	`Cooner750`	`Hello.`
`22:30.25`	`eeyore-`	`admin_: easy way, "fdisk -l /dev/sda", "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" and so on (sdc, sdd, sde, sdf, etc.) until you see some output, THAT is the device name you want`
`22:30.30`	`itchi`	`admin_: cfdisk /dev/foo and that's is it`
`22:30.34`	`xjkx`	`import java.util.Scanner; doesnt work, i have java installed 1.5 and people on #java told me to ask here how to set my javac up to use it, i dont know, just have this error message that java.util can not be resolved or something`
`22:30.36`	`admin_`	`itchi: ok`
`22:30.37`	`itchi`	`admin_: It's an text interface`
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`22:30.42`	`admin_`	`itchi: np`
`22:30.57`	`Cooner750`	`I've installed cupsys, but trying to access the web interface on the computer at port 631 does nothing, "cannot connect." -- Is there another package I need to install to get the CUPS Web Admin interface?`
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`22:31.17`	`confrey`	`hi everybody`
`22:31.22`	`eeyore-`	`Cooner750: then CUPS is either not running, or its ACL doesn't allow you to connect to it (this would be odd)`
`22:31.23`	`xjkx`	`hello java.util problem cant compile`
`22:31.36`	`itchi`	`xjkx: wooaaa`
`22:31.44`	`streuner`	`!br`
`22:31.44`	`dpkg`	`Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.`
`22:31.47`	`xjkx`	`wooaaa itchi`
`22:31.54`	`xjkx`	`!lol`
`22:31.54`	`dpkg`	`If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.`
`22:31.55`	`Cooner750`	`eeyore-: I made sure to run /etc/init.d/cupsys start. Is there a command I can run to see that it's actually running and not crashing for some reason?`
`22:31.57`	`admin_`	`itchi: wow, thats a cool program, looks like it worked..now what should i do?`
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`22:32.06`	`eeyore-`	`Cooner750: ps axfwu \| grep cups?`
`22:32.10`	`itchi`	`admin_: Use your SD card??`
`22:32.13`	`admin_`	`itchi: heh`
`22:32.24`	`abrotman`	`format the partitions ?`
`22:32.24`	`helo`	`after doing a dd if=/dev/sdg of=/disk.img, would "diff /dev/sdg /disk.img" verify that the images match?`
`22:32.24`	`xjkx`	`aint i using english?f..that`
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`22:32.38`	`streuner`	`hey dude, eeyore- :-)`
`22:32.43`	`abrotman`	`xjkx: ask #java ?`
`22:32.53`	`xjkx`	`abrotman, <Clackwell> xjkx: yes, ask the debian people how it can be that when you enter "javac" it invokes jikes. and please ask on the debian-java mailing list. the people to blame for this mess are to be found there.`
`22:32.57`	`itchi`	`xjkx: It's not yet clear, my crystal ball is broken, i got some difficulties`
`22:33.01`	`eeyore-`	`helo: you're better off md5sum /dev/sdg and md5sum /disk.img`
`22:33.06`	`helo`	`ok`
`22:33.08`	`xjkx`	`itchi, fix it then`
`22:33.18`	`eeyore-`	`streuner: hey dude!`
`22:33.24`	`xjkx`	`!lol`
`22:33.24`	`streuner`	`:-)`
`22:33.24`	`dpkg`	`If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.`
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`22:33.46`	`avtobiff`	`lol`
`22:33.56`	`Cooner750`	`eeyore-: I get 2 lines relating to "root"; /usr/sbin/cupsd`
`22:34.01`	`streuner`	`apt, lolstats`
`22:34.03`	`apt`	`total count of lol on #debian: 10879`
`22:34.09`	`jatt`	`ugh`
`22:34.10`	`eeyore-`	`each channel has its own obsessions :-) #debian has language (en vs es), editor, !lol, ubuntu obsessions`
`22:34.11`	`itchi`	`xjkx: Tell us what's the real trouble where you got it on what level ... see /msg dpkg ask`
`22:34.18`	`helo`	`the way i say lol sounds like laughter`
`22:34.32`	`eeyore-`	`jaja`
`22:34.35`	`rahul`	`loll isn't laughing`
`22:34.38`	`eldowan`	`hmm. dpkg and apt are bots, are there any other bots which provice services in this channeL?`
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`22:34.55`	`Cooner750`	`So it must be running. Why can I not access the web interface? The computer's IP is 192.168.1.9. http://192.168.1.9:631 does nothing, I get "Unable to connect".`
`22:34.57`	`xjkx`	`itchi, i am trying to use java.util.Scanner; its a library ! on java, like import -name of the library- then the compiler says:`
`22:34.58`	`xjkx`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:35.02`	`xjkx`	`thats it`
`22:35.06`	`streuner`	`eldowan: spambot? ;-)`
`22:35.14`	`CaT[tm]`	`why would apt-get be choosing v 59~bpo.1 of a package over v 68?`
`22:35.16`	`itchi`	`eldowan: Look to /msg dpkg search /msg dpkg help`
`22:35.18`	`xjkx`	`they said on #java its system problem`
`22:35.26`	`eeyore-`	`Cooner750: how are you connecting to port 631? what's the exact URL? (also, do: netstat -plunt \| grep :631)`
`22:35.33`	`streuner`	`eldowan: there are others, apt, dpkg and ravenbird are the know bots`
`22:35.39`	`jatt`	`xjkx: you don't have java/util/Scanner in the CLASSPATH`
`22:35.40`	`georgy`	`Cooner750, : http://localhost:631`
`22:35.45`	`CaT[tm]`	`ah. that'd do it.`
`22:35.49`	`xjkx`	`whatever it is, how can i do jatt`
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`22:35.57`	`Cooner750`	`georgy: It's running on another computer on the network.`
`22:36.03`	`eldowan`	`streuner: ravenbird? I don't recall seeing that handle here before.`
`22:36.31`	`streuner`	`!seen ravenbird`
`22:36.32`	`dpkg`	`ravenbird <i=ravenbir@unaffiliated/simonrvn/bot/ravenbird> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 6d 10h 40m 22s ago, saying: 'thanks, liable. It's good to be back.'.`
`22:36.40`	`xjkx`	`!pl`
`22:36.41`	`dpkg`	`rumour has it, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net)`
`22:36.44`	`Cooner750`	`eeyore-: I get 2 lines, one starting with TCP and one starting with UDP. The TCP one says "LISTEN 3657/cupsd"`
`22:36.48`	`eeyore-`	`Cooner750: if it's on another computer, you have to edit the ACL on THAT computer so it's binding to all ports not just loopback`
`22:36.51`	`xjkx`	`!usa`
`22:36.53`	`eeyore-`	`Cooner750: nevermind, read above`
`22:36.56`	`itchi`	`xjkx: See /msg dpkg selftell`
`22:37.05`	`abrotman`	`xjkx: stop with the stupid bot`
`22:37.06`	`Cooner750`	`How do I do that?`
`22:37.08`	`eeyore-`	`Cooner750: by default cups listen to 127.0.0.1 (loopback), make the edit`
`22:37.16`	`xjkx`	`!ok`
`22:37.23`	`abrotman`	`xjkx: STOP`
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`22:37.26`	`xjkx`	`just vicious`
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`22:37.43`	`xjkx`	`jatt, got any idea?`
`22:37.44`	`Cooner750`	`What do I have to edit?`
`22:37.44`	`streuner`	`o_O a troll :-)`
`22:37.45`	`georgy`	`Cooner750,: you have to go to your /etc/cups/cupsd/browse.conf and say browsing on`
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`22:38.01`	`jatt`	`xjkx: how do you start your application? show the exact command line you are using`
`22:38.01`	`eldowan`	`streuner: Ahh, I do remember seeing ravenbird now.`
`22:38.04`	`abrotman`	`xjkx: ask #java about your java problem`
`22:38.11`	`xjkx`	`jatt, i use eclupse`
`22:38.19`	`jatt`	`or is a problem during compilation?`
`22:38.28`	`xjkx`	`abrotman, <Clackwell> xjkx: yes, ask the debian people how it can be that when you enter "javac" it invokes jikes. and please ask on the debian-java mailing list. the people to blame for this mess are to be found there.`
`22:38.48`	`xjkx`	`jatt, yes`
`22:38.50`	`abrotman`	`install a real JDK maybe ?`
`22:38.55`	`abrotman`	`jikes isn't a JDK afaik`
`22:38.57`	`xjkx`	`i installed 1.5 jdk`
`22:39.01`	`abrotman`	`!info jikes sid`
`22:39.05`	`dpkg`	`jikes: (Fast Java compiler adhering to language and VM specifications), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.22-6 (sid), Packaged size: 669 kB, Installed size: 1712 kB`
`22:39.07`	`Cooner750`	`But, if it's listening for connections on the local machine; what do I need to change it to so that it will listen on the entire network?`
`22:39.09`	`abrotman`	`so we get to the real question :)`
`22:39.09`	`xjkx`	`but jink is installed`
`22:39.16`	`abrotman`	`!update-alternatives`
`22:39.16`	`dpkg`	`i heard update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line?, or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system`
`22:39.28`	`xjkx`	`but i installed jdk! and its using jinki, thats what sucks`
`22:39.32`	`abrotman`	`update-alternatives --list javac`
`22:40.03`	`abrotman`	or .. ls -l `which javac`
`22:40.32`	`xjkx`	`/etc/alternatives/kaffe-system/bin/javac`
`22:40.32`	`Cooner750`	`Oh great`
`22:40.32`	`xjkx`	`/usr/bin/ecj-bootstrap`
`22:40.32`	`xjkx`	`/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac`
`22:40.37`	`Cooner750`	`So I set Listen to 192.168.1.9:631`
`22:40.41`	`Cooner750`	`and now I get "403 Forbidden"`
`22:40.43`	`abrotman`	`don't paste in here`
`22:40.46`	`abrotman`	`!paster`
`22:40.46`	`dpkg`	`paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site.`
`22:40.54`	`xjkx`	`!no time, it was not big`
`22:41.00`	`SnackM`	`how do clear the "last" log?`
`22:41.03`	`eldowan`	`abrotman: should that be ls -l $(which javac)?`
`22:41.04`	`jatt`	`hmmm looks like an eclipse bug`
`22:41.08`	`abrotman`	`fuck it .. figure it out yourself if you're going to be an asshole`
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`22:41.17`	`abrotman`	eldowan: ` ` works too .. but deprecated
`22:41.35`	`jatt`	`a simple program with the java.util.Scanner import works fine for me with /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac`
`22:41.39`	`eldowan`	`abrotman: Hm. It didn't work on my system. ls: which gcc: no such file or direcory.`
`22:41.41`	`xjkx`	`i am a reflect of what you are to me, dear abrotman !br wasnt very nice if you ask me =] sounded racist and stupid ;o but whatever`
`22:41.49`	`jatt`	`but with the eclipse compiler I got:`
`22:41.50`	`jatt`	`1. ERROR in TestScanner.java (at line 1)`
`22:41.55`	`jatt`	`import java.util.Scanner;`
`22:41.57`	`abrotman`	`i didn't do !br`
`22:41.58`	`eeyore-`	`abrotman: you need to come hang out with me :-)`
`22:42.01`	`abrotman`	`in NC ?`
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`22:42.08`	`Cooner750`	`And now CUPS will not Stop`
`22:42.09`	`Cooner750`	`or Restart`
`22:42.09`	`conffrey`	`hi everybody`
`22:42.11`	`eeyore-`	`abrotman: anywhere, oh yeah i'll be there next week`
`22:42.15`	`abrotman`	eldowan: echo `which bash`
`22:42.17`	`abrotman`	`eeyore-: woohoo`
`22:42.20`	`streuner`	`xjkx: well, it wasn't abrotman, but i thought your english sucks...`
`22:42.21`	`itchi`	`SnackM: /lastlog -clear`
`22:42.22`	`jatt`	`that doesn't look right, if the Sun compiler compiles that code fine, eclipse is buggy with that one I would say`
`22:42.26`	`eeyore-`	`abrotman: just for one week, househunting`
`22:42.29`	`fbhjr_`	`do I need a kernel recompile just to enable samba+CUPS functionality?`
`22:42.29`	`abrotman`	`xjkx: if you want help .. don't be an ass to people trying to help`
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`22:42.43`	`abrotman`	`no`
`22:42.43`	`xjkx`	`streuner, gonna learn it enough for ya soon`
`22:42.48`	`fbhjr_`	`k thanks`
`22:42.51`	`itchi`	`fbhjr_: no`
`22:42.59`	`jatt`	`xjkx: can you compile your code with the sun compiler? or do you get the same import error?`
`22:43.06`	`fbhjr_`	`thanks all. I'll keep working with swat and teh docs`
`22:43.16`	`abrotman`	`ask #samba ... be patient`
`22:43.21`	`fbhjr_`	`ok :)`
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`22:43.29`	`xjkx`	`jatt, you mean javac?yes, if not, what the software you mean?`
`22:43.42`	`jatt`	`xjkx: javac is set in debian with the alternatives system`
`22:43.55`	`jatt`	`xjkx: javac could point to the sun compiler or the eclipse compiler`
`22:44.05`	`jatt`	`xjkx: per default, AFAIK, it points to the eclipse compiler`
`22:44.09`	`abrotman`	`man update-alternatives`
`22:44.15`	`eeyore-`	`163 more packages and i'll have gnome + beryl up on this laptop :-)))))`
`22:44.20`	`abrotman`	`update-alternatives --config javac`
`22:44.33`	`abrotman`	`eeyore-: wouldn't it be easier to just use binary packages ?`
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`22:44.47`	`eeyore-`	`abrotman: yeah you would think so wouldn't you? :-p`
`22:44.50`	`jatt`	`xjkx: could you try with the full path of the sun compiler, e.g.:`
`22:44.51`	`jatt`	`/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac`
`22:44.53`	`abrotman`	`eeyore-: hehe`
`22:44.57`	`streuner`	`eeyore-: !gentoosmite eeyore?`
`22:45.06`	`xjkx`	`lets see`
`22:45.14`	`rahul`	`!eeyoresmite`
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`22:46.02`	`jatt`	`this is the program I tested with (yes it is fugly I don't want to use pastebin at this point):`
`22:46.02`	`jatt`	`import java.util.Scanner; class TestScanner {public static void main(String[] args){System.out.println ("hi");}}`
`22:46.11`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman, my friend`
`22:46.14`	`abrotman`	`hi`
`22:46.25`	`xjkx`	`jatt, /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/bin/javac compiled ! then ran the command update something abrotman said and javac compiles normal, but eclipse still cries on that`
`22:46.29`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: you always have that friendly and good tips`
`22:46.40`	`abrotman`	`so eclipse is broken ?`
`22:46.47`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: if someone really is nice, and she says i want sex with you.`
`22:46.49`	`abrotman`	`tarzeau: are you going to ask me for a date ?`
`22:46.52`	`abrotman`	`oh ok`
`22:47.04`	`xjkx`	`maybe needs to be configured to the same javac binary, i dont know`
`22:47.10`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: no, unless you put on an amulet of change`
`22:47.14`	`abrotman`	`hehe`
`22:47.23`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: and then you also think so, but don't say it`
`22:47.29`	`rahul`	`um, I'll just be over there...`
`22:47.30`	`azeem`	`tarzeau: how about you ask in #debian-offtopic?`
`22:47.37`	`fbhjr_`	`indeed`
`22:47.42`	`rahul`	`no, that IS the topic of #pr0n`
`22:47.44`	`tarzeau`	`abrotman: instead you are just friendly, and say nice things. she can get upset?`
`22:47.48`	`tarzeau`	`azeem: good idea`
`22:47.52`	`rahul`	`debian quesitons go to #debian-offtopic`
`22:47.59`	`abrotman`	`rahul: are you always an ass ?`
`22:48.03`	`azeem`	`rahul: are you trolling?`
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`22:48.14`	`rahul`	`abrotman: someone said my ass is hot`
`22:48.18`	`rahul`	`heh`
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`22:48.34`	`jatt`	`I will look in the bts if this already has been reported, if not I will file a new bug against eclipse`
`22:48.35`	`rahul`	`heh`
`22:49.10`	`rahul`	`shit. got a tshirt to pick up from a band for a band who I'm gonna see play and then go to a b'day party and then some other band's afterparty`
`22:49.13`	`rahul`	`wtf`
`22:50.05`	`itchi`	`woooaa, liquid war is so funny`
`22:50.22`	`Cooner750`	`Can anyone help? I am getting "403 Forbidden" when trying to access http://192.168.1.9:631 now`
`22:50.25`	`azeem`	`rahul: if you don't have Debian questions or are doing Debian support, please stay quiet`
`22:50.32`	`rahul`	`heh`
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`22:50.46`	`rahul`	`this new crowd is fussy`
`22:51.11`	`Cooner750`	`Whoa wait`
`22:51.14`	`Cooner750`	`I turned off Apache`
`22:51.15`	`Cooner750`	`and now it works`
`22:51.31`	`eeyore-`	`eh?`
`22:51.39`	`Cooner750`	`Oh no`
`22:51.42`	`rahul`	`my sentiments exactly`
`22:51.44`	`eeyore-`	`cups does not require apache --- it listens on its own`
`22:51.44`	`Cooner750`	`Problem`
`22:51.54`	`Cooner750`	`When I click Administration`
`22:51.58`	`Cooner750`	`it will not accept any user & pass`
`22:51.58`	`eeyore-`	`Cooner750: dude, edit the cups config file already :-) it's not hard. ACL.`
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`22:52.34`	`fbhjr_`	`the cups web interface is very handy....not to deny the benefits of editing configs with $EDITOR`
`22:53.12`	`streuner`	`/etc/init.d/cupsys restart should tell him what's wrong`
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`22:53.25`	`Cooner750`	`What Group is root part of?`
`22:53.29`	`kitche`	`root`
`22:53.38`	`Cooner750`	`I figured. :P just wasnt sure`
`22:54.39`	`kitche`	`hmm think I m gonna get DFS iso since LFS takes a long while :)`
`22:55.18`	`dannyr`	`hi, I have tried to apt-get dist-upgrade from etch and got a number of errors - please refer to dannyr in flood - If anyone has time can they please have a look and offer some suggestions, Thank you`
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`22:56.27`	`itchi`	`dannyr: A bit sad for those that not was already in #flood`
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`22:56.39`	`_pt`	`anyone using dwww ? i have the problem with the thttp to access the cgi-bin directory. i dont understand about the cgi-bin path at all.`
`22:56.40`	`Cooner750`	`I cannot seem to get this to work`
`22:56.59`	`streuner`	`Cooner750: did CUPS ever worked before?`
`22:57.08`	`Cooner750`	`No, I just installed it`
`22:57.09`	`itchi`	`dannyr: Maybe pastebin it?`
`22:57.19`	`streuner`	`Cooner750: what printer do you you have?`
`22:57.19`	`ParoXsitiC`	`Hello. I just installed dvd+rw-tools on my debian 3.1 setup. I do have a DVD burner and I see a symbolic link in / as cdrom -> media/cdrom0 , but the growisofs makes use of /dev/dvd , and I have no /dev/dvd, whats the problem?`
`22:57.35`	`dannyr`	`itchi: I have done something wrong? please correct me`
`22:57.43`	`Cooner750`	`streuner: Deskjet 950C, I know it works with CUPS from experience on another machine.`
`22:57.44`	`streuner`	`Cooner750: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install`
`22:57.51`	`streuner`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:57.53`	`eeyore-`	`ParoXsitiC: symlink it`
`22:58.03`	`xjkx`	`anyone knows how to set the compiler default on eclipse?`
`22:58.16`	`itchi`	`dannyr: No, just that when you say it, i was not yet in #flood, and guess other people was not there too`
`22:58.18`	`eeyore-`	`ParoXsitiC: ln -s /dev/<real-device> /dev/dvd, easy`
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`22:58.27`	`ParoXsitiC`	`eeyore: is the /media/cdrom0 the same as a dvd, despite the name`
`22:58.33`	`streuner`	`Cooner750: read the INSTALL instructions about and visit linuxprinting.org to get somet tips about too.`
`22:58.35`	`ParoXsitiC`	`eeyore: what is the real device`
`22:58.37`	`stew`	`dannyr: not many people in this channel are in #flood, so probably nobody will be able to help, its probably best to stick it into a pastebin and put the url here`
`22:59.06`	`eeyore-`	`ParoXsitiC: that would depend on your configuration (real device name). maybe /dev/hdc (secondary master) or /dev/hdb (primary slave)`
`22:59.07`	`dannyr`	`thank you for the advice`
`22:59.29`	`ParoXsitiC`	`eeyore: I understand`
`22:59.33`	`ParoXsitiC`	`thanks`
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`23:00.02`	`Zap-W`	`is http://www.winehq.com down?`
`23:00.20`	`eeyore-`	`Zap-W: there's this thing called traceroute ...`
`23:00.43`	`streuner`	`1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss`
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`23:01.46`	`conreyt`	`anyone here have experience grabbing video off of a Canon ZR80 I can't seem to find any docs in the wild.... I could really use some help.`
`23:01.55`	`streuner`	`Zap-W: traceroute is better than pinging that host`
`23:02.19`	`Zap-W`	`how does traceroute work`
`23:02.37`	`eeyore-`	`Zap-W: ICMP echo request with decreasing TTL values`
`23:02.40`	`rahul`	`UDP with a TTL that counts up`
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`23:03.25`	`Cooner750`	`Cannot get HP Inkjet drivers to install. "Missing Dependencies"`
`23:03.33`	`streuner`	`http://geektools.com/traceroute.php`
`23:03.33`	`Cooner750`	`Missing libjpeg`
`23:03.42`	`Guerin`	`Cooner750: using what branch of debian?`
`23:03.44`	`Mazingaro`	`Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable Release.gpg`
`23:03.44`	`Mazingaro`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:03.51`	`Cooner750`	`Guerin: Etch`
`23:03.52`	`Mazingaro`	`what happen to ftp.debian.org?`
`23:03.56`	`Guerin`	`Mazingaro: /msg dpkg mirrors`
`23:04.14`	`Zap-W`	`not all routes respond to ICMP requests`
`23:04.23`	`Guerin`	`Cooner750: check BTS, if no fix is apparent try snapshot.debian.net or package from sid - etch breaks sometimes`
`23:04.39`	`Zap-W`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:04.46`	`Mazingaro`	`:(`
`23:04.47`	`Guerin`	`Zap-W: right, which is why you sometimes get * * * results`
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`23:06.25`	`geo-rge`	`how to install mozilla in etch?`
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`23:06.30`	`geo-rge`	`(what`
`23:06.37`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: Remove it??`
`23:06.37`	`geo-rge`	`is the package name0`
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`23:06.46`	`Guerin`	`!tell geo-rge about search`
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`23:08.57`	`eeyore-`	`bbl`
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`23:09.41`	`Cooner750`	`I can just install the hplip package apparently`
`23:09.55`	`streuner`	`install everything`
`23:10.07`	`geo-rge`	`is the mozilla that is not firefox (icehockey?) still available?`
`23:10.22`	`streuner`	`!info libjpeg62 etch`
`23:10.29`	`dpkg`	`libjpeg62: (The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG runtime library), section libs, is optional. Version: 6b-13 (etch), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 200 kB`
`23:10.29`	`h3sp4wn`	`iceape ? iceweasel ? icedove ?`
`23:10.39`	`georgy`	`geo-rge, : iceweazel`
`23:10.48`	`fbhjr_`	`icicle`
`23:10.58`	`streuner`	`Cooner750: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste)`
`23:11.17`	`itchi`	`geo-rge: iceweasel`
`23:11.19`	`geo-rge`	`that's firefox with a new name... I stand to lose my bookmarks if I install that`
`23:11.26`	`Coweater`	`mozilla that is not firefox is either mozilla or seamonkey`
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`23:11.33`	`geo-rge`	`just want plain ol mozilla :)`
`23:11.33`	`streuner`	`Cooner750: i have no idea why you got depends problems, that package is in etch/testing`
`23:11.37`	`fbhjr_`	`my bookmarks remained when I upgraded`
`23:11.45`	`geo-rge`	`oh ok`
`23:11.49`	`geo-rge`	`thanks`
`23:11.53`	`dannyr`	`hi, (again<g>) I have some problems with apt-get dist-upgrade - see: http://paste.uni.cc/11955 , If anyone has time can they please review and give me some advise, thank you`
`23:12.15`	`fbhjr_`	`an upgrade shouldn't blow away your bookmarks file`
`23:13.49`	`geo-rge`	`fbhjr_: icicle? that's a browser you ended up with?`
`23:14.58`	`itchi`	`dannyr: dpkg --configure openbsd-inetd`
`23:15.18`	`fbhjr_`	`no, geo-rge, I was just kidding, iceweasel is the browser I ended up with`
`23:15.59`	`itchi`	`dannyr: And probably the same with the other stuff, you see there in the pastbin`
`23:16.00`	`geo-rge`	`ok, and did you have firefox before?`
`23:16.15`	`fbhjr_`	`yes, it is the same browaser (with some improvements) the name has changed ffor various academic reasons that you can google for`
`23:17.02`	`geo-rge`	`fbhjr_: ok`
`23:17.55`	`unlink`	`anyone recommend a cheap POWER-based computer?`
`23:18.13`	`itchi`	`unlink: ug`
`23:19.15`	`streuner`	`unlink: all x86 are pretty cheap and have plenty of power second hand`
`23:19.43`	`unlink`	`streuner: i'm looking for a POWER, not an x86`
`23:19.44`	`Mazingaro`	`dpkg: thank you for apty-spy (Segmentation fault)`
`23:19.45`	`dpkg`	`Mazingaro: gern geschehen`
`23:19.53`	`streuner`	`unlink: oh`
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`23:20.17`	`delire`	`why would the same Gutenprint, cups config and cupsys version driving an Epson Stylus D68 on Debian Testing/Sid fail with any job in the "stopped state" whereas it works perfectly in Ubuntu?`
`23:20.21`	`delire`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:20.31`	`streuner`	`unlink: what do you mean by 'power'? powerbook?`
`23:20.36`	`delire`	`this a known problem? googling reveals little.`
`23:20.48`	`Cooner750`	`I got the CUPS interface to load now, but when I click anything it will not "go"`
`23:20.49`	`unlink`	`streuner: POWER-architecture, like a G4, POWER-5, something like that`
`23:20.58`	`itchi`	`hhhmm`
`23:20.59`	`streuner`	`!ppc`
`23:20.59`	`dpkg`	`somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc`
`23:21.04`	`unlink`	`streuner: powerbooks qualify, but they're too expensive`
`23:21.13`	`streuner`	`unlink: ask #debianppc then`
`23:21.34`	`dannyr`	`itchi: Thank you, I will attempt it with all problems - please refer to: http://paste.uni.cc/11957 for http://paste.uni.cc/11957 resulting error`
`23:21.37`	`unlink`	`streuner: my chances of getting an answer are much greater here. :p`
`23:21.51`	`unlink`	`streuner: what, with 600 more people and all.`
`23:21.56`	`Azar`	`dannyr: it is usual recommended to do some read before dist-upgrade, to be prepared`
`23:21.57`	`streuner`	`unlink: well, most of us using x86`
`23:22.01`	`delire`	`Cooner750: other printers have worked fine in Debian over the years on and off. this one has me stumped as it seems to either 'simulate' printing or default to a "stopped" state instantaneously.`
`23:22.20`	`dannyr`	`Azar: will do`
`23:22.23`	`Azar`	`dannyr: to which version are you upgrading to?`
`23:22.24`	`unlink`	`streuner: probably, but there's the off chance someone also uses POWER and could recommend me something.`
`23:22.40`	`fbhjr_`	`delire: have you examined the cups error log?`
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`23:23.07`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: yes, posting it to a pastebin now. just a moment. it's weird.`
`23:23.11`	`Azar`	`dannyr: if from Sarge >> to Etch: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html`
`23:23.19`	`Patr\|ck`	`how can I install grub after the debian install ? i installed debian & grub then windows, windows bootloader over writes grub. so now I need to reinstal grub, how can I do that?`
`23:23.53`	`dannyr`	`Azar: I am just using dis-upgrade from "Linux version 2.6.16-2-686 (Debian 2.6.16-18) (fs@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.4 20060730 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-6)) #1 Fri Aug 18 19:01:49 UTC 2006 " to the unknown?`
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`23:24.19`	`Cooner750`	`Back to 403 Forbidden again :(`
`23:24.39`	`Azar`	`dannyr: I wasn't talking about kernel upgrade, but about dist-upgrade from stable-Sarge to testing-Etch`
`23:24.40`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: http://paste.uni.cc/11958`
`23:25.01`	`streuner`	`Cooner750: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste)`
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`23:25.22`	`itchi`	`dannyr: See #386469`
`23:25.25`	`fbhjr_`	`delire: seems to me that "Unauthorrized" bit is a red flag`
`23:25.26`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: note it complains about permissions, yet i can modify printer settings and delete printers/jobs just fine. i'm a member of the lp group also.`
`23:26.05`	`fbhjr_`	`delire: have you tried deleteing the printer and re-adding it?`
`23:26.06`	`dannyr`	`Azar: It was - originally - an etch installation - where is #386469 - I am about to begin reading your url - thank you`
`23:26.11`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: as you can see looking at the log progress, i can delete printers and modify them without issue.`
`23:26.34`	`Azar`	`dannyr: oh that means you go up to the unstable-sid tsk tsk.. bad boy`
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`23:26.37`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: yes, many times. interestingly the same thing happens on my wife's debian testing x60s tp.`
`23:26.47`	`itchi`	`dannyr: Bug number`
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`23:26.58`	`itchi`	`dannyr: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23386469`
`23:27.09`	`fbhjr_`	`delire: this printer worked before?`
`23:27.12`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: though more often than i, she has this weird print simulation effect, where cups believes it's printing.`
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`23:27.36`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: yes, works perfectly under Ubuntu with all the same group, user, cupsys config and gutenprint driver versions.`
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`23:27.56`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: this would be fine if Ubuntu were my choice of primary OS, which it isn't`
`23:28.07`	`fbhjr_`	`delire: when did it stop working under Debian?`
`23:28.56`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: around four months ago it stopped working under Unstable. Testing was still fine at that time. now Testing doesn't work either. i'm on Unstable, my wife's on Testing.`
`23:29.43`	`delire`	`i suppose i should try to find another printer to give it a whirl.`
`23:29.47`	`fbhjr_`	`delire: and you can't even see the printer on the cups web interface, or print a test page?`
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`23:30.08`	`itchi`	`delire: hold on`
`23:30.11`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: yes, everything, from the perspective of the web interface is 'normal'.`
`23:30.22`	`fbhjr_`	`delire: seems odd to me, but I run sid too and have gotten used to stuff breaking`
`23:30.23`	`numer`	`does anyone know of a converter from Maildir++ to Maildir?`
`23:30.38`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: when you hit print, or restart a job it's either in state "stopped" or simulates printing it.`
`23:30.50`	`delire`	`fbhjr_: yep for sure..`
`23:30.50`	`dannyr`	`Azar: Thank you very much - would you recommend that I re-install etch? (I am a stupid boy)`
`23:30.53`	`itchi`	`delire: Have you try cups-config ?`
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`23:31.02`	`kod`	`Hello`
`23:31.17`	`delire`	`itchi: no, not manually. i'll give it a crack. i wanted to do it the 'web interface way'.`
`23:31.18`	`kod`	`I want to delete an user from my server`
`23:31.22`	`itchi`	`delire: I had got the same trouble, had run somethings like cups-config and it was solved, somewhere an config messed`
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`23:31.25`	`delire`	`kod: rmuser`
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`23:31.28`	`kod`	`But it says he's still logged in`
`23:31.30`	`delire`	`kod: deluser`
`23:31.33`	`kod`	`How do I del him?`
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`23:31.49`	`nemish`	`having a problem with booting mirrored / disk (/dev/md0)`
`23:31.50`	`Azar`	`dannyr: well, with each wrong move we all learn the hard way.. if you feel ok reinstall etch and proceed with more caution, gather info before a major move.`
`23:31.50`	`delire`	`itchi: cool.. i'll give it a go now.`
`23:31.50`	`fbhjr_`	`kill the tty pid?`
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`23:32.08`	`kod`	`I don't know how to find his tty pid`
`23:32.12`	`nemish`	`if i boot non raided it boots fine and another partition initializes fine`
`23:32.13`	`Mazingaro`	`please help, apt-spy seg-faults :(`
`23:32.21`	`Mazingaro`	`apt-spy -d unstable -a Europe`
`23:32.22`	`fbhjr_`	`ps aux \| grep <user here>`
`23:32.27`	`itchi`	`kod: pidof foo`
`23:32.29`	`Azar`	`dannyr: for a beginner, the dist-upgrade from Etch to >> unstable-sid is not recommended`
`23:32.36`	`fbhjr_`	`yeah wahat itchi said ;)`
`23:32.37`	`nemish`	`but specifying root=/dev/md0,/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 it just sits there`
`23:32.51`	`kod`	`sp4823:~# ps aux \| grep coldzero`
`23:32.51`	`kod`	`root 1576 0.0 0.0 1848 600 pts/2 S+ 19:33 0:00 grep coldzero`
`23:32.51`	`kod`	`sp4823:~# pidof`
`23:32.57`	`kod`	`i dont find him`
`23:33.00`	`nemish`	`and if i wait.. it will just die and say /dev/md0 can't be found`
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`23:33.12`	`kod`	`sp4823:~# deluser coldzero`
`23:33.12`	`kod`	Removing user `coldzero'...
`23:33.12`	`kod`	`userdel: user coldzero is currently logged in`
`23:33.12`	`kod`	/usr/sbin/deluser: `/usr/sbin/userdel coldzero' returned error code 8. Aborting.
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`23:33.13`	`fbhjr_`	`kod: are you sure you have the user logged in?`
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`23:33.23`	`dannyr`	`Azar: If I worked with a builatine - I would have not head, arms or legs<g>`
`23:33.23`	`kod`	`sorry`
`23:33.28`	`geo-rge`	`!pastebin`
`23:33.28`	`dpkg`	it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php \| grep '^Loc'
`23:33.31`	`fbhjr_`	`kod: what does 'w' show`
`23:33.33`	`dannyr`	`builatine = guilatine`
`23:33.38`	`itchi`	`kod: Put somehtings others that foo, at least, giva an argument`
`23:33.48`	`kod`	`fbhjr_, only me`
`23:33.51`	`kod`	`"root"`
`23:33.58`	`fbhjr_`	`well uh`
`23:34.01`	`Azar`	`dannyr: in fact try not using dist-upgrade at all. Use only "aptitude update and aptitude upgrade" for regular security upgrades.`
`23:34.38`	`kod`	`sp4823:~# users`
`23:34.38`	`kod`	`coldzero root root`
`23:35.04`	`itchi`	`kod: Try who`
`23:35.23`	`kod`	`who shows him`
`23:35.55`	`itchi`	`kod: Log that user out?`
`23:36.00`	`kod`	`how?`
`23:36.04`	`dannyr`	`Azar: Unfortunately (I am not trying to back out of my irresponsibility), I was following some not-so good advice - although it may have been well meaning - I am in the process of banging my head on the table until I have your advise firmly cemented`
`23:36.06`	`fbhjr_`	`and then delete the user`
`23:36.12`	`kod`	`how do I log him out`
`23:36.13`	`itchi`	`kod: maybe kill -9 that user, wait, before you do it`
`23:36.36`	`kod`	`"no such pid"`
`23:36.57`	`itchi`	`kod: _crazy_ guy!`
`23:37.04`	`Azar`	`dannyr: ok is there a reason you would not want to start using the stable-Sarge version? get familiar with the moves then when ready move up to Etch? any hardware reason?`
`23:37.12`	`itchi`	`kod: I told you to wait haha`
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`23:37.23`	`kod`	`:]`
`23:38.41`	`dannyr`	`Azar - not really - I only have gigabyte TP-LINK nics - I use sarge as my mail server at work and ubuntu as my mail server at home`
`23:38.49`	`itchi`	`kod: I'm not experienced to kill everything of a user. So to see looks like it is killall -u foo (where foo is the username)`
`23:38.57`	`itchi`	`!tell kod -about foo`
`23:39.05`	`Azar`	`dannyr: Debian 3.1 (stable-Sarge) is for beginners and people liking to stick with it, 4.0 (testing-Etch) for advanced and the unstable-Sid for pros.`
`23:39.13`	`fbhjr_`	`afaik killall just grabs a process name and is thus pretty lame`
`23:39.45`	`kod`	`sp4823:~# killall -u coldzero`
`23:39.45`	`kod`	`coldzero: no process killed`
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`23:40.01`	`fbhjr_`	`use the output of ps to find the pid of the login shell and kill that`
`23:40.01`	`Azar`	`danny use what you want but make sure you read all documentation before a major move.`
`23:40.39`	`reco`	`i iam running sarge stable, it there a way to install python2.4-dev form unstable on my stalbe box?`
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`23:40.50`	`fbhjr_`	`do it in tree fashion`
`23:41.03`	`itchi`	`kod: Look to man kill and man killall looks like i miss somethings there`
`23:42.09`	`fbhjr_`	`man ps`
`23:42.14`	`Azar`	`reco /msg dpkg backports`
`23:42.14`	`dannyr`	`Azar: I will re-install - but I tested from your bug reference #386469 and got almost through with the dist-upgrade - only gagged on Setting up proftpd with a message "Setting up proftpd (1.3.0-16) ...`
`23:42.15`	`fbhjr_`	`-ejH`
`23:42.16`	`dannyr`	`Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost' error: Name or service not known", thank you for your help!`
`23:42.34`	`reco`	`Azar: python2.4 is not in the backports i already checked that`
`23:42.37`	`Azar`	`dannyr: the bug was recommended to you by itchi`
`23:43.06`	`Azar`	`reco: then sorry I do not know, not working/using python2.4`
`23:43.08`	`dannyr`	`Azar: thanks`
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`23:43.26`	`dannyr`	`itchi: Thank you for your help!`
`23:43.39`	`itchi`	`dannyr: Your Welcome ;-)`
`23:43.42`	`reco`	`is there though a way to install a packages form the unsable on a stable machine without upgrading the whole box to unstable?`
`23:44.02`	`Morydd`	`I'm having some trouble with (I believe) iptables. firewall box can see outside world and LAN, but LAN boxes can only see inside the firewall.`
`23:44.16`	`fbhjr_`	`install ipmasq`
`23:44.17`	`itchi`	`reco: Banana, or vanilla for the milkshake?`
`23:44.19`	`dannyr`	`ls`
`23:44.38`	`h3sp4wn`	`dannyr: If you want to get rid of that IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost' error - then /usr/share/doc/proftpd/README.Debian read that`
`23:44.51`	`reco`	`itchi: strawberry :)`
`23:45.16`	`fbhjr_`	`Morydd: install that on the gateway machine`
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`23:45.42`	`zzz`	`!etch stable`
`23:45.55`	`stew`	`Morydd: you don't want to install pacakges from unstable onto stable`
`23:46.01`	`Morydd`	`fbhjr_ thanks.`
`23:46.22`	`stew`	`Morydd: and there is now way upgrading uptables would make a difference`
`23:46.27`	`stew`	`err iptables`
`23:46.47`	`stew`	`Morydd: what does "cet /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" say?`
`23:46.58`	`stew`	`Morydd: err cat not cet`
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`23:47.14`	`Morydd`	`ipmasq did the trick. everything works fine now.`
`23:47.27`	`reco`	`stew: so what would you suggest how to get python2.4.2+ in a sarge stable box?`
`23:47.40`	`fbhjr_`	`I use the ipmasq package on my home lan and it does a great job, and you can tweak iptables all you want`
`23:47.51`	`stew`	`reco: have you checked backports.org?`
`23:47.55`	`fbhjr_`	`bye Mory`
`23:48.00`	`reco`	`stew: yes its not in there`
`23:48.00`	`itchi`	`reco: See /msg dpkg mixing stable and unstable`
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`23:48.56`	`itchi`	`reco: But that's on your own risk an not supported here`
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`23:50.35`	`delire`	`no it would seem i've fallen victim to Cups voodoo.`
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`23:50.54`	`delire`	`itchi: fbhjr_ no errors at all now after running printconf. cups believes it has printed the pages.`
`23:51.03`	`stew`	`reco: normally i'd then recommend /msg dpkg simple sid backport ; you are going to have to backport a lot of stuff`
`23:51.34`	`reco`	`stew: thanx`
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`23:52.11`	`stew`	`reco: it might not even be possible anymore, the new python policy caused the python packaging to be changed drasticly`
`23:52.28`	`nemish`	`anyone have experience booting root=/dev/md0 md=0,/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 ???`
`23:52.29`	`reco`	`hmm`
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`23:54.11`	`delire`	`reco: is it perhaps possible to compile python2.4.2 on sarge?`
`23:54.49`	`itchi`	`delire: Got the same trouble, just ran cups-config there?`
`23:54.53`	`nemish`	`delire, you can compile anything if you try hard enough ;-)`
`23:55.42`	`itchi`	`delire: I had solve it with that, looks like there is somethings wrong somewhere. Did you an upgrade from Sarge to Etch?`
`23:56.08`	`dannyr`	`h3sp4wn: I did it for the heck of it - added # turn off ipv6 UseIPv6 off in /etc/proftpd.conf and re-ran dist-upgrade - and the remainder of the problems were gone - I will leave ipv6 until I can read more about it - Thank you<g>`
`23:56.11`	`stew`	`it's certainly possibly to compile python yourself and install it to /usr/local, you'd have to be careful to isntall it as /usr/local/bin/python2.4 and not /usr/local/bin/python or else all package managed python apps/modules/extensions will stop working`
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`23:58.17`	`kittonian`	`hi all`
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`23:59.26`	`kittonian`	`i'm seeing some strange data in top at the moment and wondered if anyone had an idea why this is happening. I'm only using 180mb of the physical memory yet the box is using 500mb of swap (I've got 588mb of physical memory free and it shouldn't be swapping at all).`
`23:59.55`	`itchi`	`delire: oh, i have go wrong, it was been printconf`

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