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| 00:00.35 | itchi | delire: Did you an migration? Intesting in the trouble |
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| 00:01.58 | jelly | kittonian: some kernel versions do proactive swapping. |
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| 00:02.58 | jelly | kittonian: also, you could have used a lot of memory at some previous point in time, and the rest of the pages hasn't been accessed since, therefore there was no need to swap them back in. |
| 00:03.33 | kittonian | jelly, well it's seriously slowing down this box (which runs a database and zope) |
| 00:03.44 | kittonian | is there a way I can reset things (without rebooting)? |
| 00:03.52 | De_Mon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.55 | jelly | kittonian: how do you know it's slowing it down? |
| 00:04.12 | kittonian | jelly, i'm watching it and everytime a call is made the hard drive light comes up full blast |
| 00:04.18 | De_Mon | that will rewrite any incoming packet from 1.1.1.1 and send it to port 5061, right? |
| 00:04.23 | jelly | kittonian: a call to what? |
| 00:04.28 | abrotman | De_Mon: ask #iptables |
| 00:04.32 | kittonian | jelly, what does it matter, trust me it's happening |
| 00:04.54 | jelly | kittonian: there is no trust, there is only output from "vmstat 1" |
| 00:05.17 | itchi | kittonian: Is it not Zope that take to much of your less memory?? |
| 00:05.34 | Cooner750 | Can anyone give me a copy of the original cupsd.conf for the latest version of CUPS? |
| 00:05.38 | jelly | kittonian: do you see non-zero numbers in si and so columns? |
| 00:05.39 | Cooner750 | Or one they have that works >_> |
| 00:06.16 | kittonian | there was a 4 and a 1 during the run of vmstat |
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| 00:07.08 | jelly | kittonian: keep it running for a few minutes.... 1-4 pages is really not relevant. |
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| 00:07.58 | jelly | kittonian: if there is no si/so activity, then your slowdown is not caused by swapin/swapout but somehting else |
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| 00:08.30 | itchi | Cooner750: Etch here http://pastebin.ca/270013 |
| 00:08.55 | helo | what package contains lspci? |
| 00:09.00 | kittonian | jelly, there is intermittent si/so activity happening |
| 00:09.06 | helo | pciutils |
| 00:09.08 | stew | helo: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 00:09.35 | jelly | kittonian: well, if it's in single digits, I'd say it's not really relevant |
| 00:10.01 | abrotman | grav |
| 00:10.02 | jelly | kittonian: paste a hundred lines or so into a pastebin, maybe there's something else |
| 00:10.04 | kittonian | it's not |
| 00:10.58 | jelly | kittonian: well, then you probably need to buy more memory |
| 00:12.08 | jelly | kittonian: which kernel are you running? 2.6 has some nice tunables in /proc/sys/vm/ |
| 00:12.14 | kittonian | jelly, why when i have over half a gig free physical memory would i need to buy more |
| 00:12.31 | jelly | kittonian: you don't have "half a gig free". |
| 00:12.31 | kittonian | that's why i'm asking because the swap shouldn't be in use |
| 00:12.35 | kittonian | yes i do |
| 00:12.48 | kittonian | that's what i'm saying |
| 00:12.50 | itchi | kittonian: 280 was it, no? |
| 00:12.58 | kittonian | it's using the swap before the physical mem |
| 00:13.19 | jelly | kittonian: paste output of top into a pastebin, please |
| 00:13.38 | stew | kittonian: you are seeing so with free physical ram or si? |
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| 00:15.03 | stew | kittonian: it would not be abnormal to see si with free ram, bot lots of so with free ram would be abnormal |
| 00:15.47 | jelly | kittonian: you could be misreading the top output, and taking the buffer/cache mem. as "free", but can't tell for sure without taking a look at the output first |
| 00:15.51 | stew | debian is free as in kittonian's RAM, not free as in beer |
| 00:16.22 | stew | jelly: it should be swapping out if it has cache it could be reclaiming though anyway, right? |
| 00:16.28 | stew | (depending on swappiness maybe) |
| 00:17.22 | jelly | stew: yep, swappiness and other stuff... but I usually see cache going out first just before heavy so starts |
| 00:17.50 | stew | oh i meant shouldn't not should but you get the point |
| 00:18.26 | itchi | kittonian: Is the paster dead? |
| 00:18.27 | kittonian | kernel version 2.4.18 |
| 00:18.47 | Azar | weeeee |
| 00:18.52 | robin__sz | windows has an efficient soluttion to this problem, |
| 00:18.57 | stew | kittonian: woody? |
| 00:19.03 | Azar | :) prolly |
| 00:19.17 | stew | kittonian: what version of libc6 is installed? |
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| 00:19.27 | robin__sz | during normal use, Windows randomly terminated the largest memory hog on the system |
| 00:19.27 | Azar | what a nice boy like you doing with a such old kernel? |
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| 00:19.54 | robin__sz | keeps the memory free and avoids too much swapping |
| 00:20.01 | jelly | robin__sz: er... _normal use_? Never seen that happen |
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| 00:20.12 | itchi | _RvGaTe: Got some network troubles? |
| 00:20.31 | kittonian | stew, the latest version of libc6 is installed via apt-get |
| 00:20.45 | jelly | robin__sz: maybe the app tried to allocate a lot and windows doesn't have overcommit? |
| 00:21.09 | itchi | kittonian: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 00:21.19 | stew | kittonian: from which repository? woody? oldstable? sarge? stable? unstable? |
| 00:21.27 | jelly | robin__sz: actually, don't bother, I don't really care. ;-) |
| 00:21.29 | kittonian | stew stable |
| 00:21.43 | robin__sz | jelly, well, you know how it is when you are doing something big and important in Windows and the app always seems to crash ... and you thought it was just buggy? |
| 00:21.47 | stew | kittonian: which version? |
| 00:21.55 | stew | kittonian: the kernel you have is not from stable |
| 00:21.57 | kittonian | 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 00:21.58 | jelly | robin__sz: no |
| 00:22.43 | robin__sz | jelly, well I reckon its the advanced memory management technique of simply terminating the largest resource user on the system at random time, to clean up .. simple .but efficient |
| 00:23.09 | robin__sz | a trifle inconvenient admittedly ..; but ,... effective |
| 00:23.10 | stew | kittonian: /msg dpkg security ; you are out of date with security updates in general, and that kernel is about 4 years old, so its definately vulnerable, you should consider /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 00:23.21 | kittonian | stew, the system was installed a long time ago. the apt-get updates are all from stable but i do not install kernels via apt |
| 00:23.22 | jelly | robin__sz: I don't do graphic editing or db in Windows, my biggest app is Word or Excel from Office XP. ... er, ok, Openoffice is probably bigger. ;-) |
| 00:23.59 | robin__sz | mmm openoffice .. |
| 00:24.02 | itchi | jelly: Or just the game :-) |
| 00:24.14 | robin__sz | that reminds me, I must bug them some more |
| 00:24.24 | jelly | itchi: tetris.com runs in separate vm86. |
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| 00:24.32 | itchi | jelly: hehe ;-) |
| 00:24.39 | stew | kittonian: you should add a security repository so that when you apt-get update you get security updates, not just major releases, you shoudl install a new kernel however it is you install new kernels |
| 00:25.43 | fbhjr_ | I tghought that aptitude was the current best practice? |
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| 00:26.22 | itchi | fbhjr_: yes |
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| 00:27.47 | jelly | 2.4.18... is that the default for woody with kernel2.4? <shudder> |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:28.21 | abrotman | wait .. who has 2.4.18 ? |
| 00:28.28 | kittonian | abrotman, i do |
| 00:28.37 | abrotman | kittonian: uname -a .. please |
| 00:28.40 | stoned | gu |
| 00:28.40 | jelly | kittonian: you will probably see a decent performance update if you use a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:28.42 | stoned | doh |
| 00:28.58 | kittonian | abrotman, Linux dns1 2.4.18 #1 SMP Sat Mar 23 19:03:00 EST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:29.01 | itchi | stoned: Stone?? :-) |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | you compiled your own ? |
| 00:29.09 | stoned | eh? |
| 00:29.11 | kittonian | abrotman, yes of course |
| 00:29.36 | abrotman | kittonian: you're aware that if you're using kernel.org 2.4.18 .. it's got more holes than a block of swiss ? |
| 00:29.38 | jelly | kittonian: time to compile another one... |
| 00:29.49 | jelly | abrotman: but hey... 1000 day uptime! |
| 00:29.56 | kittonian | alright, i'll get the latest and compile that in |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | is it external ? |
| 00:30.12 | kittonian | is there anything that i need to know about going to such a new kernel (incompatibilities, etc.)? |
| 00:30.55 | stoned | which graphics card can support a 48" LCD TV? |
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| 00:30.57 | jelly | kittonian: sarge (current stable) should be ready for 2.6 series, but there was quite a bit of changes in make menuconfig, and some drivers were renamed too. |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | it's up to you .. it's your box .. i'm merely stating that it has security issues |
| 00:31.07 | stoned | and still get the highest resolution possible |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | stoned: depends on the resolution .. the 48" part is meaningless |
| 00:31.32 | stoned | I'm looking at maybe achieving the highest possible res. |
| 00:31.44 | stoned | cuz its a large panel I want to invest in |
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| 00:32.00 | stoned | I want to be able to make use of it, bigger icons and text don't mean shit, more space is what I want |
| 00:32.03 | stoned | please advise |
| 00:32.03 | kittonian | abrotman, i understand and appreciate the info. i cannot format and install the latest of everything. there are databases (mysql and postgresql), zeus, zope, etc. running on this box (we don't have X installed and do everything on the command line) |
| 00:32.32 | abrotman | X .. not on a server ... are you serious? that like .. makes sense! |
| 00:32.36 | itchi | kittonian: You not need to format it! |
| 00:32.56 | kittonian | what about just updating to the latest 2.4.x kernel instead of jumping to 2.6.x? |
| 00:33.06 | jelly | kittonian: you can use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to figure out which drivers to use for your hardware -- that cgi from uses data from Debian's 2.6.x kernel packages. |
| 00:33.08 | itchi | kittonian: ... lastest, eeuuhhm, it's Debian Stable (Sarge) |
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| 00:33.21 | stew | kittonian: i hope that box isn't publicly available |
| 00:33.33 | zrin | what to do if apt-get update hangs ... "99% [5 Packages bzip2 0]"? if interrupted and restarted it hangs at the same place again |
| 00:33.47 | stew | zrin: try a different mirror |
| 00:33.51 | dondelelcaro | zrin: usually means that a mirror is having issues; try a different one. |
| 00:33.58 | zrin | thank you |
| 00:34.01 | jelly | kittonian: oh yes, some threaded apps might break if you have libc6-i686 installed. |
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| 00:34.32 | jelly | kittonian: I'd try to replicate the situation on a test machine first. |
| 00:34.32 | kittonian | i guess my question is whether or not i will see a performance increase by going to the latest 2.4.x kernel |
| 00:34.38 | dondelelcaro | mmm firewalls... crunchy on the outside, chewy in the middle. |
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| 00:35.24 | abrotman | kittonian: your application could have a hole .. allow local access .. use a local kernel exploit to gain root |
| 00:35.45 | maher | anyone want to answer postfix questions? in main.cf does setting foo = 1 and then later foo = 2 override the earlier setting - is foo = $foo, 2 recommended? |
| 00:35.51 | jelly | abrotman: eh who cares, if it wasn't rooted to date... |
| 00:36.05 | jelly | abrotman: that is, if they don't know it was rooted ;-) |
| 00:36.06 | stew | jelly: it definately wasn't? |
| 00:36.20 | olskolirc | what is the best news reader for debian |
| 00:36.33 | jelly | olskolirc: console or gui/ |
| 00:36.39 | olskolirc | gui |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | pan |
| 00:36.48 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 00:36.49 | abrotman | or thunderbird |
| 00:36.57 | olskolirc | ohhh thunderbird |
| 00:37.01 | abrotman | ohhh |
| 00:37.03 | stew | icddove? |
| 00:37.07 | maher | boratman: icedove! |
| 00:37.07 | jelly | err icedove |
| 00:37.16 | abrotman | yeah yeah .. whatever it's called now |
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| 00:37.48 | jelly | thenewsandmailreaderpreviouslyknownasthunderbird |
| 00:38.07 | dvs | heh |
| 00:38.16 | jelly | unicode 0x510d |
| 00:40.50 | infernix | stoned: 48" LCD TV? what resolution is it working on, 2560x1600? |
| 00:41.07 | abrotman | maher: ask #postfix |
| 00:41.45 | jelly | 800x480, 8 pixels per inch! :-) |
| 00:41.58 | abrotman | pong! |
| 00:42.00 | infernix | stoned: fwiw, for 2560x1600 you need video cards that support Dual DVI |
| 00:42.18 | infernix | anything lower should work with any recent card with enough ram |
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| 00:43.39 | maher | abrotman: postfix was too busy - i couldn't follwo the postings... |
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| 00:44.02 | abrotman | postfix is too busy? and you ask here ? |
| 00:44.29 | maher | abrotman: you forgot take your irony tablets today |
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| 00:45.05 | abrotman | maher: my what? |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | gravity: those 7.2.2 not gonna make etch are they ? |
| 00:45.48 | maher | abrotman: large metal pills - take one a day for better living - #postfix is cluebies 2 evryone else 0 atm |
| 00:45.55 | gravity | abrotman: No |
| 00:46.11 | abrotman | gravity: so the i830WaitLoop() is still borked ? |
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| 00:46.15 | stoned | infernix, I have not yet bought it, I want to research and sure the setup I want will work. Theory first, practice second. |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | maher: where's f3ew ? |
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| 00:46.34 | stoned | RvGaTe, hey buddy, whats up |
| 00:46.35 | eucalre | hello |
| 00:46.42 | BankHead | yo |
| 00:46.43 | cappicrd | hey |
| 00:46.47 | infernix | stoned: well, the problem with TVs is that they are bigger than PC screens but the resolution is often worse |
| 00:47.00 | abrotman | gravity: i think you told me it was fixed before .. but i got an email that says it's just now fixed |
| 00:47.10 | dclarke | hello ... I need to find a decent mirror with ppc files on it |
| 00:47.12 | infernix | stoned: for instance, dell and apple's 30" are dual-dvi screens runnong on 2560x1600 |
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| 00:47.14 | gravity | abrotman: I'm not sure |
| 00:47.18 | abrotman | neither am i :) |
| 00:47.23 | stoned | infernix, I want a lcd panel about 40+ inches, widescreen, and a gfx card that will make it run at the highest possible resolution mankind has ever seen |
| 00:47.26 | maher | stoned: in theory, there's no difference between theory and practice |
| 00:47.26 | stoned | money is NOT an object |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | gravity: okay ... carry on .. thanks :) |
| 00:47.36 | dclarke | am currently using mirrors.usc.edu |
| 00:47.37 | infernix | stoned: won the lottery? |
| 00:47.41 | dclarke | any suggestions ? |
| 00:47.44 | stoned | infernix, no, got promoted |
| 00:47.44 | maher | stoned: i need a new car |
| 00:47.48 | abrotman | dclarke: apt-spy |
| 00:47.55 | infernix | stoned: well, hold on then, ill look some up |
| 00:47.57 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 00:47.57 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 00:48.11 | stoned | anyway, parents are rich as hell too, they will pay for half of it, xmas |
| 00:48.11 | stoned | :D |
| 00:48.15 | dvs | stoned: already? |
| 00:48.42 | stoned | dvs, yup, my old manager came and said dude, I'm having you promoted and you're going to work for me now |
| 00:48.53 | dvs | stoned: must be nice |
| 00:48.56 | dclarke | I'll go look at that mirrorlist but .. the installer I have here presents a heck of a list already |
| 00:49.01 | stoned | I was #3 top achievement in all sites across usa |
| 00:49.12 | stoned | takes people half a year to a year, I did it in 3 months |
| 00:49.30 | dvs | stoned: I only seem to make enemies of my managers. |
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| 00:49.39 | abrotman | #3 best con artist ? :) |
| 00:49.47 | stoned | flux capacitors man |
| 00:49.48 | stoned | :) |
| 00:49.58 | dclarke | ftp.us.debian.org ... thats ftp only ? |
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| 00:50.18 | abrotman | no |
| 00:50.21 | dvs | abrotman: nice guy. |
| 00:50.27 | infernix | stoned: well, i've yet to see 30+ screens with high res. take this one for example: http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=71 - it runs on 1366x768 |
| 00:50.39 | stoned | damn, 400+mb worth updates on this six box |
| 00:50.41 | stoned | eek |
| 00:51.06 | stoned | infernix, dude, I didn't ask you to do my work for me |
| 00:51.09 | stoned | thank you!! |
| 00:51.11 | infernix | stoned: this one on 47" is on 1920x1080: http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=59 |
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| 00:51.31 | infernix | so i'd go for that, but still, on that size, 1920x1080 is way too big for my taste |
| 00:52.01 | stoned | its little |
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| 00:52.19 | infernix | if you're going for high res, there's the dell 30" with 2560x1600: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/guides/dell_3007wfp.htm |
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| 00:53.04 | dclarke | this is useless |
| 00:53.10 | dclarke | buh-bye |
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| 00:54.26 | stoned | right now I've got two monitors, a==19", b==17", and respectively, resolutions are as followes on current setup. gfx==7600GS, a=1600x1200, b=1200x1024. This is not enough room :( I need more space, thats why I want a larger screen, but with even higher resolution, so I can still have the same sized objects, yet with larger desktop area |
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| 00:54.48 | stoned | all on one monitor instead of dual |
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| 00:55.07 | infernix | stoned: check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WQSXGA |
| 00:55.19 | stoned | WQ? |
| 00:55.34 | infernix | stoned: higher res monitors are not in mass production yet (HXGA and up) |
| 00:55.38 | dvs | stoned: quad? |
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| 00:56.30 | Caelum | are cvs checkins attributed to whoever checked out the module, or to the userid of the person doing the checkin? |
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| 00:56.41 | stoned | ahh quad, yes, damn quad |
| 00:56.56 | stoned | I want like 80 billion cores on one damn chip |
| 00:57.08 | abrotman | Caelum: should be the same pesron no ? |
| 00:57.10 | stoned | 100 years? 500? |
| 00:57.16 | stoned | I'll be dead by then |
| 00:57.20 | infernix | so there's the dilemma, take a higher size monotir and your resolution drops. therefore i'd go with a 30", not higher res TV |
| 00:57.21 | dvs | stoned: I'd say 100 years. ;-) |
| 00:57.26 | infernix | *higher size TV |
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| 00:57.41 | Caelum | abrotman: I want to set up a dev box where 3 developers could work on a single checked out CVS module (using group permissions) |
| 00:57.46 | dendrite | Caelum: checkin. |
| 00:57.51 | infernix | stoned: or take 2x30" |
| 00:57.57 | stoned | I might have to |
| 00:58.04 | sakya | i want to setup a telnet server,but it does not work |
| 00:58.13 | stoned | setup ssh, telnet is not secure |
| 00:58.15 | infernix | stoned: for that you'll have buy two Dual DVI PCI Express videocards |
| 00:58.18 | dendrite | Caelum: Consider subversion? |
| 00:58.23 | sakya | i know |
| 00:58.29 | maher | sakya: are you sure you want to set up a tlenet server? |
| 00:58.33 | Caelum | dendrite: can't...company uses CVS |
| 00:58.39 | stoned | infernix, I might wait until pci-e 2.0 |
| 00:58.41 | sakya | but i must setup a telnet first |
| 00:58.47 | dendrite | Caelum: Fair 'nuff, just thought I'd mention it. |
| 00:58.49 | stoned | and wait until quad becomes more common |
| 00:58.54 | sakya | yes ,i sure |
| 00:58.59 | maher | sakya: why not just use ssh? |
| 00:59.05 | Caelum | dendrite: so can I do that with CVS? checkins will be by userid? |
| 00:59.08 | dendrite | Caelum: A checkout is nothing more than a copy, really. |
| 00:59.29 | dendrite | Caelum: That's the way I've always seen it. |
| 00:59.35 | Caelum | I see, thank you |
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| 00:59.36 | dvs | Caelum: you want to keep track of who changed what right? |
| 00:59.39 | sakya | there is no why |
| 00:59.47 | infernix | stoned: personally I'm aiming for 24", twice that is nice as well (1920x1200) |
| 00:59.48 | Caelum | dvs: yeah, I meant commits... |
| 01:00.25 | sakya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.14 | r3m | Hi i modified a config file from qemu package, and i would like to get the default config, but i dont want to reinstall the package. is there a way to download only this config file |
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| 01:02.50 | sakya | i use "apt-get install xinetd telnetd" |
| 01:03.17 | liable | wtf is going on when i ask a nameserver a name and a totally different machine comes back with the answer, then my box says destination unavailable? |
| 01:03.37 | liable | i cant get any dns resolving happening :( |
| 01:03.43 | sakya | then nano telnet |
| 01:04.00 | sakya | is there any wrong |
| 01:04.02 | dendrite | sakya: What are you going to use telnet for? |
| 01:05.07 | sakya | just for setup someother server ,i can not touch the server physical free |
| 01:05.37 | dendrite | sakya: So you want to connect to a remote server? |
| 01:05.54 | sakya | yes , as easy as |
| 01:06.06 | dendrite | sakya: Try ssh <servername> |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | don't use telnet |
| 01:06.14 | abrotman | or telnetd |
| 01:06.54 | liable | can someone resolve channels.debian.net for me? |
| 01:07.03 | sakya | there is no time , i setup telnet then ssh ,and shutdown telnet |
| 01:07.08 | bbelt16ag | hey i got tons of screensavers that dont work |
| 01:07.17 | bbelt16ag | in kcontrol |
| 01:07.24 | bbelt16ag | what package do i need? |
| 01:07.35 | dendrite | liable: channels.debian.net CNAME rzlab.ucr.edu // rzlab.ucr.edu A 138.23.92.77 |
| 01:07.46 | liable | dendrite: thanks |
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| 01:08.26 | Sadneophyte | hi has anyone here installed etch for amd64 on their machine? anythingthing I have to look out for? |
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| 01:09.21 | dendrite | sakya: So are you installing stuff on the server you want to connect to, or the machine you're connecting from? |
| 01:09.59 | sakya | i can setup telnet at night,and then ssh at daytime |
| 01:10.07 | stoned | lol |
| 01:10.14 | Sadneophyte | you can set up any service you want to as user.. almost any... you just don't have access to system ports and stuff... |
| 01:10.48 | sakya | after setup i use telnet 127.0.0.1,but it refused me |
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| 01:11.16 | Sadneophyte | no nothering... anyone hear bout when etchr1 is coming out... anyone have any gut feelings... like maybe 4 months or something? |
| 01:11.42 | dendrite | sakya: You most certainly don't want to install a telnet server. |
| 01:11.59 | jelly | !tell Sadneophyte about etch pool |
| 01:12.12 | liable | bah, i dont even have tcpdump on this box and ethereal saves in binary or some shit |
| 01:12.12 | dvs | Sadneophyte: well, the final version would be etchr0 technically and coming out in March wouldn't surprise me. |
| 01:12.27 | Sadneophyte | !stats |
| 01:12.27 | dpkg | Since Wed Dec 6 12:05:07 2006, there have been 6 modifications, 152 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 46 commands. I have been awake for 13h 7m 20s this session, and currently reference 37039 factoids. I'm using about 13992 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 83.2/4.56 child 0/0 |
| 01:12.30 | sakya | the telnet is just temp |
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| 01:13.03 | maher | sakya: try apt-get install ssh (or openssh-server on etch) |
| 01:13.04 | dendrite | sakya: No matter. Just set up sshd and use that. If someone else set up your machine, odds are it's already set up. |
| 01:13.34 | jelly | !ssh++ |
| 01:13.44 | neoalex | hi guys, in what order are the scripts in /etc/init.d run, or what is the first script run at boot time? |
| 01:13.55 | magyar | hi, is there a mac channel? |
| 01:14.06 | Sadneophyte | !tell me about listkeys etch pool |
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| 01:14.45 | fwtest | hello, i am using debian stable, i installed php4, how can i upgrade to php5? |
| 01:14.57 | olskolirc | is knode a good news reader? |
| 01:15.03 | maher | fwtest: check backports.org |
| 01:15.06 | jelly | neoalex: man init might be of help ... search for "BOOTING" |
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| 01:15.57 | fwtest | maher, thanks |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | olskolirc: try it and see |
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| 01:16.28 | olskolirc | ok |
| 01:17.05 | sakya | thank you ,i use sarge ,and i will try ssh,but now i want telnet |
| 01:17.58 | infernix | stoned: seems samsung has a new 30" on the market, looks better than the dell & apple one |
| 01:18.18 | dendrite | sakya: Well, then you're on your own, because probably nobody here has installed and configured telnet for years... I'd suggest reading the docs... |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | samsung makes for apple/dell iirc |
| 01:18.58 | dendrite | Though telnet + tetris-for-terminals makes a fine combination... |
| 01:19.14 | Azar | sakya: you are free to use what you want, personally I have removed telnet the moment I installed Debian |
| 01:19.18 | abrotman | blinkenlights! |
| 01:19.24 | ProwL | eh |
| 01:19.35 | ProwL | i use telnet.. |
| 01:19.38 | ProwL | and run a bbs |
| 01:19.48 | ProwL | on many systems |
| 01:19.50 | ProwL | wth :P |
| 01:20.03 | dendrite | ProwL: Old school all the way, eh? :-) |
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| 01:20.16 | ProwL | *nod* |
| 01:20.22 | sakya | thank you dendrite and all |
| 01:20.23 | cirdan | anyone know a cheap but decent pc sata card? one w/bios updates? |
| 01:20.48 | cirdan | the compusa one looks like it can't be updated :-( |
| 01:20.51 | Sadneophyte | is an upgrade from a release canidate to the release (rc to r) usually seemless? |
| 01:21.08 | Azar | cirdan: look at tigerdirect.com |
| 01:21.29 | cirdan | Azar: i know where to buy cards, but i was looking for a good reliable one, that can take a 750G drive |
| 01:21.33 | sakya | just 2 week ago i success to setup telnet under a doc,but now i failed |
| 01:21.37 | abrotman | usuyally |
| 01:21.44 | olskolirc | ok how about the console news reader? what is it? |
| 01:21.45 | dendrite | ProwL: What BBS? Public? |
| 01:22.00 | dendrite | olskolirc: tin? |
| 01:22.01 | dvs | Sadneophyte: once etch becomes frozen, it's pretty darn safe |
| 01:22.07 | olskolirc | ok |
| 01:22.22 | ProwL | dendrite: somewhat, yea. working on a freebsd setup on a dedi, and configuring a local one on my deb boxen |
| 01:22.27 | ProwL | ive run darkscience bbs for years |
| 01:22.41 | cirdan | blinken lights! :) |
| 01:22.48 | dendrite | ProwL: Ah. Cool. =) |
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| 01:23.16 | Sadneophyte | dvs I mean I installed suse once.... and it was the release version... and and... it was full of bugs.... : but debian isn't like that? |
| 01:23.48 | dvs | Sadneophyte: Debian has bugs but not nearly as many |
| 01:23.56 | ProwL | dendrite: when upgrading my kernel (deb, testing rls), should i use the forums as a guide |
| 01:24.21 | Azar | Sadneophyte: once a Debian version is released on stable all packages are frozen: meaning they have been tested and no new buggy one gets in |
| 01:24.26 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 01:24.32 | dvs | ProwL: you're upgrading just the kernel and not the entire release? |
| 01:24.50 | bbelt16ag | i want a purple kdm theme |
| 01:25.59 | Azar | I want a pink flamingo |
| 01:26.00 | dendrite | ProwL: Not exactly sure what you are asking... |
| 01:26.00 | bbelt16ag | anybody know of some i am going through the packages on the kde-look |
| 01:26.00 | bbelt16ag | hehe |
| 01:26.00 | ProwL | ive upgraded as much as i can without a kernel upgrade, and id like to use a 2.6.18 |
| 01:26.00 | Sadneophyte | Azar ... but I heard you can'te even open a terminal during the install... that sounds scary to me |
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| 01:26.01 | dendrite | ProwL: I wonder what xterm font I'd need to make your BBS line art look right... =) |
| 01:26.01 | Azar | Sadneophyte: ofcourse you can't: the installation is just meeting your hardware :) |
| 01:26.18 | Azar | Sadneophyte: don't worry the installation will communicate with you asking questions |
| 01:26.37 | dendrite | ProwL: If you're doing it all using the standard Debian way, then you can just use apt-get or aptitude to install the kernel. |
| 01:26.55 | ProwL | dendrite: http://home.earthlink.net/%7Eus5zahns/enl/ansifont.html |
| 01:27.10 | ProwL | nice, ty |
| 01:27.56 | neoalex | how can I run a script as soon as possible... basically I need to print on an LCD: Please Wait... Booting |
| 01:28.22 | neoalex | and I want to print that asap, because until I do the LCD will show gibberish |
| 01:28.37 | Azar | echo "Please Wait... Booting" ? |
| 01:29.05 | neoalex | yeah, but where would I put that so it shows up asap |
| 01:29.11 | dendrite | neoalex: Before init gets control? |
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| 01:29.18 | neoalex | and when is that? |
| 01:29.32 | fwtest | maher, i read all the docs in backports, it said all backports are deactivated by default, but i seem can install package from it without enabling ti |
| 01:29.33 | neoalex | oh... yeah dendrite that would be nice |
| 01:29.59 | neoalex | I just have to run lcd "Please wait.. Booting" |
| 01:30.08 | dendrite | neoalex: Hmm. I wonder if grub has a way to hack that... Um, does your bootload menu system work at all? |
| 01:30.21 | Azar | I guess in lilo is possible |
| 01:30.27 | neoalex | don't have grub though, it's redboot on an embedded ARM machine |
| 01:30.33 | dendrite | neoalex: Um, is "lcd" a program? |
| 01:30.37 | neoalex | yes |
| 01:30.45 | dendrite | neoalex: Where did you get the program? |
| 01:31.04 | neoalex | compiled it from the source that was given as an example for the LCD |
| 01:31.11 | dendrite | neoalex: And what environment does "lcd" run under? |
| 01:31.40 | neoalex | it was compiled from a c source |
| 01:31.49 | dendrite | neoalex: So you need to do some special initialization before your display will come up. Hmmm... |
| 01:31.50 | Sadneophyte | so I had a amd 64 machine and I hate microsoft and I use suse, but now suse sucks too... and I wanted to install debian (now my most favorite linux distribution), should i install 3.1r4 or etch... are there any dangers to installing etch? will sarge r4 allow a 64bit kernel? I really don't want to use the unofficial sarge-amd64 branch (their unsupported package list is too long and scary)... because I reallly wanted official debian... |
| 01:32.25 | liable | some smart dns person tell me why i get this.. http://channels.debian.net/paste/4737 |
| 01:32.29 | Sadneophyte | wow that was long |
| 01:32.33 | dvs | Sadneophyte: if it's for personal use, I'd install etch. If it's for a server, I'd use sarge |
| 01:32.43 | neoalex | I need to do it as soon as possible so I don't crap on the lcd for too long |
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| 01:33.20 | jelly | Sadneophyte: there will be no official amd64 support for sarge, that's exactly why sarge-amd64 exists |
| 01:33.20 | Sadneophyte | <dvs> the later upgrades to 2.6.18 will be without problems...? or will I have to reinstall at some date |
| 01:33.38 | Sadneophyte | <dvs> but it's still unofficial |
| 01:33.58 | dendrite | neoalex: Hmm. Well, so as it is now, your boot is gibberish? |
| 01:34.02 | Sadneophyte | but it's still unofficial, and it is playing with pure 64 voodoo and stuff |
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| 01:34.28 | dvs | Sadneophyte: there will be some sort of documented upgrade procedure so I doubt you will have to reinstall |
| 01:34.34 | jordanb | What is the purpose of the pdfiff stuff in the new apt? |
| 01:34.50 | neoalex | yes... it shows all blocks |
| 01:34.56 | jelly | jordanb: not to download the whole Packages.gz, but only the diffs |
| 01:35.08 | Sadneophyte | <dvs> you know I am coming here and ynnoying everyone when the documentation doesn't work... :) |
| 01:35.15 | jordanb | It seems like apt-get update takes a lot longer downloading all those silly files. |
| 01:35.21 | neoalex | dendrite, every dot on the lcd is on while booting |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | HI |
| 01:35.39 | jelly | jordanb: if you're on a fast link, it could be true. |
| 01:35.57 | jordanb | Is there a way to disable them? |
| 01:36.22 | Sadneophyte | where can I find the debian etch frozen package list? |
| 01:36.33 | dendrite | neoalex: Sounds like you need to hack your boot loader. Have you googled to see if others have this issue? |
| 01:36.35 | jordanb | Woah etch is frozen? |
| 01:36.50 | Sadneophyte | rc1 baby |
| 01:37.13 | Sadneophyte | don't yell at me if I am wring.... |
| 01:37.14 | jelly | jordanb: dunno, I suppose you could rtfm apt.conf(5) for related stuff |
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| 01:37.24 | dvs | jordanb: the base stuff is |
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| 01:37.42 | jelly | dvs: oh,since when? |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | !pdiff |
| 01:37.43 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 01:37.56 | jelly | !beer abrotman |
| 01:37.56 | jordanb | I hate it that they keep changing things. I ttook me forever to figure out how to disable that stupid authentication thing. And now it still warns me. |
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| 01:38.15 | abrotman | jordanb: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:38.18 | abrotman | !etch key |
| 01:38.18 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:38.48 | neoalex | dendrite, I did, not much info about it |
| 01:39.02 | dvs | jelly: It was in the Debian weekly news a while back |
| 01:39.07 | jelly | jordanb: wow, and there I was thinking _finally_ Debian got package signatures like RH has had since forever |
| 01:39.10 | dendrite | neoalex: Is this an issue of your video adapter, or of the actual display? |
| 01:39.16 | maher | how do i query the postgrey database to see who it is keeping track of? |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | vi! |
| 01:39.38 | jelly | dvs: oh, dwn is getting updated again? |
| 01:39.54 | dvs | jelly: I don't know. I unsubscribed to it. |
| 01:40.00 | jordanb | jelly, Yeah cause debian has had a *huge* problem with untrusted packages getting in the repositories. |
| 01:40.05 | jordanb | It was happening every week. |
| 01:40.07 | neoalex | dendrite, it's a 2 line text LCD there's no video adapter |
| 01:40.18 | Azar | jelly; lately only once / month, usually within the last four days of the month |
| 01:40.43 | neoalex | it's connected on the board in a port specifically designed for the LCD |
| 01:40.53 | dendrite | neoalex: Aaaah. Embedded. Can't you just send your init sequence out the wire at power up? |
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| 01:41.07 | jelly | jordanb: it could have had! |
| 01:41.26 | jelly | jordanb: all your machines might have belonged to us |
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| 01:41.38 | neoalex | I don't know |
| 01:41.50 | neoalex | I'll have to call support and ask them about that |
| 01:42.11 | neoalex | dendrite, what's the first script init runs? |
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| 01:42.24 | neoalex | or how can I specify to run my script first? |
| 01:42.37 | dendrite | neoalex: Depends on your /etc/inittab. Look in there for clues. |
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| 01:43.15 | kittonian | abrotman, well i installed the 2.4.33.4 kernel and now i am getting "unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address" errors |
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| 01:43.27 | Caelum | neoalex: update-rc.d yourscript defaults 00 |
| 01:43.34 | kittonian | abrotman, and zope will not start because apparently this has to do with python (it's in the error) |
| 01:43.39 | abrotman | then revert |
| 01:43.48 | Azar | 2.4.33 ? that's a new kernel version for me |
| 01:44.02 | Caelum | why would you use 2.4? |
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| 01:44.21 | kittonian | abrotman, i can certainly revert but since you recommended updating the kernel i wondered if you knew the solution to this issue |
| 01:44.23 | neoalex | Caelum, where would I put my script in /etc/init.d or rc.d? |
| 01:44.26 | dendrite | neoalex: By default it's probably something like /etc/init.d/rcS that just exec's "/etc/init.d/rc S" |
| 01:44.39 | Caelum | neoalex: in /etc/init.d. use /etc/init.d/skeleton for a template |
| 01:44.40 | abrotman | kittonian: i don't have a single 2.4 machine anymore |
| 01:45.05 | kittonian | abrotman, apparently it happens on 2.6.x kernels too (did a google search and there's lots of reports about this error) |
| 01:45.17 | Azar | 2.4.18 was in woody 2.4.27 was in default sarge install |
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| 01:45.25 | fwtest | how can i set up specific package to be installed from backports? i tried deb deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ main php5, but it doesnt work |
| 01:45.28 | dfinn | I have a simple sed replacement that works on the command line but when I try and stick it in a for loop it doesn't do anything. Am I missing something? |
| 01:45.31 | dfinn | for i in `cat /tmp/blah`; do sed 's/$i//g' /tmp/group > /tmp/group.updated; done |
| 01:45.35 | Sadneophyte | I am looking at the package list for etch at http://packages.debian.org/testing/kde/, what version of kde am I looking at..._ |
| 01:45.53 | abrotman | kittonian: maybe it's a devfs/udev thing ? |
| 01:46.06 | neoalex | I think I'll just edit rcS and put the msg in there |
| 01:46.12 | kittonian | abrotman, don't know, how would i check that out? |
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| 01:46.46 | abrotman | see if 2.4.33 requires udev |
| 01:46.48 | Caelum | fwtest: if it's a different dist you can pin a priority to it in /etc/apt/preferences |
| 01:47.01 | mfrisch | can you test how "dirty" an ups's current is? |
| 01:47.19 | dendrite | neoalex: In your case that may not be a bad idea. Not as clean as using /etc/init.d/... and symlinking, but really, if you could get it loaded as part of the boot, that would be even better... |
| 01:47.46 | grendelson | I've been using testing for a looong time - many versions. However I want to stop working on fixing things and jsut wnt things to work:-) SO i woulkd like to switch my sources to stable when etch goes live. I have all sources now with testing as main and some pinned apps. If I just switch my apt.conf to make stabel the main will I jsut stay at etch when t goes stable? I don't want to cause problems by switching now to stable |
| 01:47.46 | grendelson | and hten get all knds of error s |
| 01:47.47 | fwtest | Caelum, what do you mean different dist? i am using stable |
| 01:47.56 | grendelson | from having so many testing packages |
| 01:48.08 | grendelson | Suggestions or web pages with explanations... |
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| 01:48.21 | mfrisch | testing is fabulous! |
| 01:48.23 | abrotman | grendelson: start tracking etch now |
| 01:48.28 | Caelum | fwtest: I don't know how backports work, if they are also "stable" then you can either use it or not, there's no way to specify specific packages |
| 01:48.33 | kittonian | abrotman, where would i find that info? searching google comes up with nothing |
| 01:48.38 | grendelson | abrotman? Just change all instances of testing to etch? |
| 01:48.42 | dendrite | grendelson: Point to etch now, and it'll settle down to stable automatically. |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | kittonian: maybe ask #kernel |
| 01:48.49 | mfrisch | unstable is better |
| 01:48.50 | Sadneophyte | is kde in etch 3.5.5? |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | grendelson: let me see your sources |
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| 01:48.57 | abrotman | !info kdebase etch |
| 01:49.03 | grendelson | abrotman, Right one minute... |
| 01:49.07 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 01:49.16 | Caelum | fwtest: actually, there are instructions here: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 01:49.18 | grendelson | abrotman, I'll post my preferences too - I have some pinned... |
| 01:49.19 | neoalex | yeah that seems to be working nicely |
| 01:49.22 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:49.37 | neoalex | I'll try power cycleing the thing in a second |
| 01:49.41 | neoalex | see how that shows up |
| 01:50.19 | fwtest | Caelum, the instruction said 3. all backports are deactivated by default, i dont enable it but still i can install package from there |
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| 01:50.30 | dendrite | neoalex: What environment are you working with? |
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| 01:50.59 | dfinn | I have a simple sed replacement that works on the command line but when I try and stick it in a for loop it doesn't do anything. Am I missing something? |
| 01:51.01 | dfinn | for i in `cat /tmp/blah`; do sed 's/$i//g' /tmp/group > /tmp/group.updated; done |
| 01:51.16 | dfinn | ^ this is driving me nuts, anyone see why it wouldn't work? |
| 01:51.17 | neoalex | what do you mean dendrite: software or hardware? |
| 01:51.20 | Caelum | fwtest: that shouldn't be happening, but I don't know anything about backports |
| 01:51.26 | dendrite | neoalex: Both. |
| 01:51.30 | kittonian | abrotman, just tried installing udev and it says it requires a kernel >= 2.6.8 |
| 01:51.30 | grendelson | abrotman - sorry it will be just another minute :-) |
| 01:51.51 | neoalex | hardware: ts-7300 |
| 01:52.03 | Azar | kittonian: any reason you still using the 2.4.x kernel? |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | faster! |
| 01:52.04 | neoalex | software: a modified Debian-ARM |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | kittonian: it would |
| 01:52.08 | fwtest | Caelum, that is also my problem, i dont know much about it and it seems too few doc about it |
| 01:52.10 | neoalex | they build it |
| 01:52.14 | Caelum | dfinn: for i in `cat /tmp/blah`; do perl -pi -e "s/$i//g" /tmp/group; done |
| 01:52.22 | abrotman | kittonian: why do you use a self-compiled ? |
| 01:52.25 | dendrite | Wow. Linux FPGA. Cool. |
| 01:52.40 | kittonian | Azar, not sure what some of the reqs for some server apps i'm running on this box are and they were all working fine with 2.4.x for the past 4 years |
| 01:52.57 | grendelson | Wow there were a lot of updates tonight |
| 01:52.58 | dendrite | 10 Serial ports! |
| 01:53.04 | Azar | kittonian: then you are definitely using the Old Stable: Woody. |
| 01:53.12 | neoalex | ok... now I see like 1-2 seconds of gibberish |
| 01:53.16 | kittonian | Azar, yes |
| 01:53.16 | neoalex | I can live with that |
| 01:53.36 | Azar | kittonian: would be of much inconvenience for you to upgrade to the actual stable: Sarge? |
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| 01:53.51 | dendrite | neoalex: You could probably link your "lcd" program into the kernel proper... |
| 01:54.01 | kittonian | Azar, a lot of inconvenience, yes. i am running zeus, pgsql, mysql, zope on this box |
| 01:54.17 | dfinn | Caelum: that still is doing the same as with sed |
| 01:54.30 | Azar | kittonian: can't you back them up and reinstate them after upgrade? |
| 01:54.35 | grendelson | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4738 <-- heres my sources and preferences |
| 01:54.40 | kittonian | Azar, why? |
| 01:54.41 | neoalex | it might be easier to link it into redboot |
| 01:54.49 | dendrite | neoalex: You should see 1.69 seconds of gibberish, according to the TS-7300 web site. :-) |
| 01:55.06 | abrotman | only pan from unstable ? |
| 01:55.07 | neoalex | really... where did you find that? |
| 01:55.08 | dendrite | neoalex: Might be. You flashing that routinely? |
| 01:55.10 | Azar | kittonian: nothing wrong with woody, I still like it but you will not get any new packages because your 2.4.x kernel will not support them |
| 01:55.20 | dendrite | neoalex: http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7300-spec-h.htm |
| 01:55.38 | aredhel | dfinn, looks like you are clobering /tmp/group.updated for each i in /tmp/blah |
| 01:55.43 | grendelson | abrotman, Sorry I forgot to include apt.conf where I have --> APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 01:55.51 | Azar | kittonian: greater hardware/new software support is given by higher kernels, and woody will not go for a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:55.52 | kittonian | Azar, i don't care about new packages. this box has been running for 4 years solid as a rock. i asked a question about memory usage today and was told to upgrade the kernel. now it's a nightmare |
| 01:55.53 | grendelson | SO I need to change default to etch in apt.conf? |
| 01:56.21 | Azar | kittonian: you never mentioned that you are using woody right? |
| 01:56.23 | abrotman | grendelson: i'd remove all but the 'etch' sources |
| 01:56.28 | grendelson | abrotman, That is stable I think. The newset one would't take my already setup pref etc..so I pinned it |
| 01:56.40 | neoalex | aaah... the boot time you mean |
| 01:56.40 | Azar | 98% of users are now using Sarge waiting to jump at Etch |
| 01:56.51 | neoalex | yeah... that's a lie... takes about a minute :D |
| 01:57.03 | dendrite | neoalex: Yeah. Your init hack only runs after the kernel is up. |
| 01:57.17 | Azar | kittonian: stay with woody if you like it, but don't dream of new packages |
| 01:57.23 | neoalex | the kernel is up in like 1-2 sec |
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| 01:57.32 | grendelson | abrotman, I was keeping unstable jsut to do pinning of a package I "had to" have |
| 01:57.32 | neoalex | but from that to shell is like a min |
| 01:57.38 | abrotman | pan ? |
| 01:57.48 | dendrite | neoalex: You may have a lot of stuff in init then... |
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| 01:58.13 | kittonian | Azar, when we bring up a new server and do a fresh install i will move to the latest and greatest. for right now, i'm sticking with what works. |
| 01:58.14 | dendrite | neoalex: What are you building? |
| 01:58.19 | grendelson | abrotman, keep only the etch source then I don't need a default in my apt.conf right... |
| 01:58.36 | grendelson | But If I want an unstable package I add source then use -t or the like to install |
| 01:58.38 | neoalex | yeah, should stop stuff I don't need like apache and mysql |
| 01:58.39 | Azar | kittonian: because your configuration / system is so "unique" allways mention it before you ask your question: hi I am using woody with a 2.4.x kernel and I want to install udev. |
| 01:58.44 | abrotman | don't think so |
| 01:58.55 | neoalex | dendrite, I'd love to tell you but I signed a nondisclosure agreement |
| 01:58.56 | dendrite | neoalex: Those heavy daemons will take time and resources... |
| 01:59.06 | kittonian | Azar, i did not want to install udev. that was a suggestion to fix an issue with the 2.4.33 kernel from abrotman |
| 01:59.20 | dendrite | neoalex: Ah. Never mind then. :-) With that board you could build almost anything. Make a nice robot controller... |
| 01:59.21 | Azar | kittonian: ah I see my bad |
| 02:00.03 | Azar | kittonian: the nice part of using lilo is that you can go back and use the kernel that worked best when you get in trouble with a new kernel |
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| 02:00.18 | Sadneophyte | how does etch do speedwise...I only have a 1.8ghz amd... :( so much new software.... |
| 02:00.20 | neoalex | he... that would be cool, but it's something anyone would use |
| 02:00.21 | neoalex | and buy |
| 02:00.45 | dendrite | neoalex: Give robots about another five or ten years. |
| 02:00.46 | neoalex | for now it's just an example, the final product may not even use this board |
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| 02:01.05 | neoalex | we're giving this two months :D |
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| 02:01.16 | dendrite | neoalex: Roomba! =) |
| 02:01.23 | kittonian | Azar, yes i know. i just did that |
| 02:01.31 | jelly | kittonian: are you currently running 2.4.33? |
| 02:01.32 | magyar | blehhh |
| 02:01.34 | Azar | what, my roomba runs on Debian Sarge? |
| 02:01.39 | dendrite | Roomba with DIRT-ZAPPER active particle beam cleaning technology!!! |
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| 02:01.55 | neoalex | no, it doesn't move, but it does have sound, that's what I was struggling with for the last few days |
| 02:02.03 | Azar | oh my I am 100% Debian equipped! |
| 02:02.07 | neoalex | getting USB sound on it |
| 02:02.11 | dendrite | neoalex: You using the FPGA? |
| 02:02.34 | grendelson | So the roomba can listen to music while it cleans. Just like me ! :-) |
| 02:02.34 | kittonian | Azar, i am dealing with a problem that occurs every once in a while where the swap starts being used pretty heavily causing a major slowdown on this box. physical memory is still available in a big way but for some reason swap is being used instead. so the opinion was to upgrade to a newer kernel. this is why that whole situation happened. |
| 02:02.36 | kittonian | jelly, back to 2.4.18 |
| 02:02.57 | neoalex | FPGA? don't know what it is, so I imagine I'm not using it :D |
| 02:03.02 | kittonian | jelly, the swap isn't being used anymore. but in about a week or two the same problem will occur and i'll have to reboot the box |
| 02:03.04 | abrotman | no .. i recommended you upgrade because of security issues |
| 02:03.07 | dendrite | grendelson: Just make sure you don't play sad music, or your roomba will jump down the stairs... |
| 02:03.16 | grendelson | dendrite, haha |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | 2.4 had some VM issues |
| 02:03.25 | neoalex | :)) |
| 02:03.35 | kittonian | abrotman, true but i specifically came in with the swap usage question |
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| 02:03.49 | Azar | kittonian: maybe your swap partition is too small for your server usage.. |
| 02:03.49 | dendrite | neoalex: So you're just making an itunes wall plug player? =) |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | kittonian: 2.4 early on had some bad VM issues .. maybe some residual problems ? |
| 02:04.14 | jelly | kittonian: eh. I wonder if swapoff would have worked. |
| 02:04.25 | neoalex | no... it's more then that, but I can't tell you |
| 02:04.26 | grendelson | dendrite, I play mariachi - it skips all over and spills bud light on my rug - Oh no that's my in-laws (JUST kidding I love living in texas!_ |
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| 02:04.40 | neoalex | plus, if you wanted that you could just get the Airport express |
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| 02:04.49 | neoalex | waaay smaller then this thing |
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| 02:04.56 | dendrite | neoalex: :-) |
| 02:05.23 | kittonian | jelly, swapoff? i don't want to turn it off because when there is a heavy load hitting this server it might be needed. however, i don't want it to ever be used unless absolutely necessary |
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| 02:06.01 | jelly | kittonian: if you really had enough free phys. memory, you could do swapoff / swapon on the fly |
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| 02:06.17 | kittonian | jelly, i've got 768mb in this box |
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| 02:06.41 | grendelson | kittonian, And that's enough for a heavy load> |
| 02:07.00 | jelly | kittonian: the actual number doesn't matter. but if that worked, it would probably be faster than a reboot. |
| 02:07.06 | kittonian | grendelson, heavy load does not equate to millions of hits (i am speaking of a heavy load for us) |
| 02:07.14 | abrotman | kittonian: what are your si/so numbers? |
| 02:07.27 | jelly | kittonian: I didn't see you posted any actual top or vmstat output? |
| 02:07.27 | StanSka | is there a way to switch user shells? like right now i have /bin/myshell running as my default shell but say i have a script that switchs my shell to /bin/bash how would i do this properly? cause right now if i switch to /bin/bash then /bin/myshell is still running |
| 02:07.38 | kittonian | abrotman, right now they are at 0 but when the problem rears its head they fluctuate up to the 400's |
| 02:07.49 | dondelelcaro | StanSka: exec is what you want. |
| 02:07.59 | abrotman | 400s ? |
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| 02:08.21 | StanSka | what do you mean, how is exec going to change it? |
| 02:08.31 | jelly | 400 -> 1.6MB/s of swapin and/or swapout |
| 02:08.48 | dondelelcaro | StanSka: exec /bin/bash will replace /bin/myshell with /bin/bash. |
| 02:08.48 | StanSka | if i use exec wont /bin/myshell still be running when i switch to /bin/bash |
| 02:08.54 | StanSka | alright |
| 02:08.56 | dondelelcaro | StanSka: no, that's the whole point. |
| 02:08.57 | StanSka | i will give that a shot |
| 02:09.01 | StanSka | thanks |
| 02:09.12 | jelly | or does vmstat report KB (not pages)? |
| 02:09.44 | kittonian | jelly, would running swapoff -a and then swapon -a basically reset the swap to 0 just like a reboot? |
| 02:10.21 | jelly | kittonian: that's the point yes, swapoff pages in everything from the swap and then turns it off |
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| 02:10.59 | kittonian | jelly, hmm, i'll try that next time this happens. that would be a nice trick to fix this without going through a reboot and taking things offline |
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| 02:11.12 | kittonian | thanks all, i gotta get back to the real work now. catch you later |
| 02:12.52 | StanSka | I have another question. I have /bin/myself set for my default shell. when this shell is executed it checks to see if you are from my network if so it changes your shell to /bin/bash, if you are not on my network you will stay with /bin/myshell |
| 02:13.36 | StanSka | the problem now is that SFTP connects but ends up disconnecting cause of no response from the server for 15 seconds, i am not sure how i might fix this :( |
| 02:14.22 | asg | StanSka: does ssh work fine or does it timeout also? |
| 02:14.25 | StanSka | the shells are switched instantly apon logging into the server if you are on this network, but these SFTP clients seem to get stuck switching shells |
| 02:14.30 | StanSka | SSH works just fine |
| 02:14.39 | StanSka | tahts why i am getting frustrated with SFTP |
| 02:15.09 | abrotman | does /etc/shells affect sftp ? |
| 02:15.12 | StanSka | and i did some logging also, SFTP runs the shell and does in fact switch shells just fine |
| 02:15.33 | StanSka | hmm, might. i dont have my /bin/myshell in /etc/shells |
| 02:15.43 | StanSka | would i just add /bin/myshell to /etc/shells? |
| 02:15.51 | asg | StanSka: yes |
| 02:16.04 | asg | StanSka: #openssh might also be helpful if nobody here knows |
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| 02:16.27 | StanSka | yea, that still didnt work |
| 02:16.37 | StanSka | i will give #openssh a shot then, thanks for the help |
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| 02:16.49 | StanSka | no one in there :( |
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| 02:17.13 | Caelum | dfinn: perl -pi -e edits in place, I thought that's what you wanted |
| 02:17.23 | Caelum | dfinn: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 02:18.08 | dondelelcaro | or just sed -i |
| 02:18.41 | fen_ | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 02:22.33 | CMcJ | | playing German shepherd as the | |
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| 02:22.44 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: never knew about sed -i, lovely :) |
| 02:22.48 | jugglinx | my upgrade didnt went ok, and i wasnt using the X, where i can find the error?... i checked /var/log/aptitude and /var/log/dpkg files |
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| 02:22.56 | peterS | Caelum: it's a gnuism, don't try it on freebsd |
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| 02:23.03 | mo1991 | anyone know what program I need to install so that it sits in my tray and gives me update reminders? |
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| 02:23.10 | minerale | this is a stupid question, but how can I see which (if any) packages are dependent on a certain package ? |
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| 02:23.21 | abrotman | man apt-cache |
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| 02:23.33 | mo1991 | update manager does not include the little icon in your task bar that shows you have updates to do |
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| 02:23.56 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah, I had the same thought - was waiting to see if he'd return.... |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | you're just lazy! :) |
| 02:24.20 | asg | peterS: I thought he was giving us a preview of his headstone |
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| 02:24.33 | peterS | asg: it's the latest book he bought |
| 02:24.55 | asg | peterS: I seem to be getting that book in my Inbox an awful lot as of late |
| 02:25.03 | Caelum | jugglinx: just rerun apt-get upgrade, and you'll get the same error |
| 02:25.09 | peterS | asg: you can always unsubscribe, I'm sure. just click on this link.. |
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| 02:25.32 | jugglinx | Caelum, ok... let me see |
| 02:25.33 | rfrank | can anyone here help me with setting up cups |
| 02:25.40 | rfrank | quite confused, I don't even know how to start |
| 02:25.44 | asg | peterS: sadly, enough people on my network have already done that |
| 02:25.51 | abrotman | linux-printing.org |
| 02:26.31 | Caelum | rfrank: go to http://localhost:631/ |
| 02:26.56 | minerale | abrotman: did you have in mind rdpend? i'm looking for dependent packages that are currently installed |
| 02:27.04 | rfrank | Caelum, wow haha thanks |
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| 02:27.30 | minerale | abrotman: ie, the same screen one can see when performing an apt-get remove package -> but without using apt-get remove |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | minerale: okay .. you want to know which packages that are installed have packages that depend on them also installed |
| 02:27.51 | jugglinx | Caelum, thanks now i see the error at least... let s see how i fix it :-/ |
| 02:28.02 | Caelum | rfrank: you probably want to install linuxprinting.org-ppds, depending on what printer you have |
| 02:28.48 | minerale | that is correct abrot man |
| 02:28.53 | abrotman | minerale: you can do a dry run on apt-get |
| 02:29.02 | abrotman | apt-cache will only show direct rdeps |
| 02:29.07 | jugglinx | ok, it looks like kde-base, needs some new version of kdebase-data, which i remember it was in my dist-upgrade... |
| 02:29.59 | rfrank | Caelum, how do I setup printer on a samba share, its not in the cups help |
| 02:30.11 | rfrank | Caelum, and not in the list of sockets when adding a printer |
| 02:30.30 | jugglinx | but now is not there :-/ how i install the new version of this package? forcing? |
| 02:31.32 | Caelum | rfrank: smb://server/printer/ |
| 02:31.53 | rfrank | Caelum, make that the printer name? what socket do I select |
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| 02:32.30 | Caelum | rfrank: no that's the address |
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| 02:33.57 | Caelum | rfrank: you might have to do smb://user:password@server/printer/ depending on how things are configured |
| 02:34.08 | rfrank | Caelum, I see.. but when adding a printer in the cups http config what do I select for port if I want to use |
| 02:34.20 | rfrank | Caelum, am I not supposed to add it there? confusing |
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| 02:35.46 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:35.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 02:37.03 | peterS | the third couplet sounds strained |
| 02:37.25 | asg | peterS: I'd suggest lemon tea |
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| 02:38.06 | peterS | asg: I could use _something_ to work on this cold I have. I'm one whole note better than I was 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago I could sing down to a G 2+ octaves below middle C. now I can only sing down to an A. |
| 02:38.13 | Caelum | rfrank: you select "windows printer via samba" from the device drop down, then type in the smb:// url |
| 02:38.27 | Caelum | rfrank: if you don't have that device option, then you need to install samba and make sure it works |
| 02:38.27 | peterS | that is the 55 Hz A |
| 02:38.47 | peterS | it's about an octave lower than the average guy can sing |
| 02:39.13 | asg | peterS: I can croak and play guitar but that's about it I'm afraid. I may play beep(3NCURSES) at debconf7 next year if I can make it. |
| 02:39.22 | peterS | hehe |
| 02:39.44 | rfrank | Caelum, I have samba installed, I'm sure it works as I have network shares mounted |
| 02:39.49 | peterS | well, this is half an octave lower than I can sing when I don't have a cold |
| 02:39.52 | unlink | what are the gcc cross-compiler packages names? |
| 02:39.54 | unlink | *named |
| 02:40.00 | Caelum | rfrank: so do you get that option? |
| 02:40.09 | peterS | unlink: they're usually known as apt-cache search |
| 02:40.18 | unlink | OMG LOL |
| 02:40.38 | rfrank | Caelum, never mind, its smbfs I have installed and I thought that was samba.. installing samba now |
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| 02:40.44 | unlink | you got me. |
| 02:41.05 | Caelum | rfrank: make sure to /etc/init.d/cupsys restart afterwards |
| 02:41.12 | peterS | you usually build them using 'tpkg-make' from the 'toolchain-source' package |
| 02:41.25 | rfrank | Caelum, yup |
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| 02:42.29 | rfrank | Caelum, just installed samba, restarted cups, still don't see the device in the list though |
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| 02:42.59 | rfrank | Caelum, do I have to add something to the conf |
| 02:43.29 | map7 | I'm trying to configure proftpd so when it boots up it uses /etc/proftpd.conf file, i'm running it as standalone, where do I find where it starts? |
| 02:44.10 | itchi | map7: It's start when an client do an connection |
| 02:44.27 | Caelum | rfrank: are you using sid? I see it in mine... |
| 02:44.43 | rfrank | Caelum, unstable |
| 02:44.50 | rfrank | Caelum, don't remember what its called :P |
| 02:45.02 | Caelum | yeah that's sid, it should be there |
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| 02:45.11 | asdokasdofj | logical volume manager.. I just moved a smaller array to a larger one and just imaged it across.. now I need to resize the volume group and lvextend one of the lv's .. how do I do that? i've never had to resize a volume group |
| 02:46.14 | map7 | itchi that's if you run it as inetd, i'm running it as standalone |
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| 02:46.23 | map7 | so there's only one process going |
| 02:47.02 | map7 | but i don't know why it doesn't read /etc/proftpd.conf till I restart the proftpd daemon... |
| 02:47.49 | asdokasdofj | What does it mean when there's a + after the size inblocks for a partition in fdisk? |
| 02:49.42 | asdokasdofj | I just moved one disk to a larger disk using dd and now I can't figure out how to make my volume group larger... |
| 02:50.05 | rfrank | Caelum, I'm gonna try restarting comp |
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| 02:51.25 | mo1991 | Can someone tell me what packages I need to install to have the security updates notifier running in the system tray using gnome , Etch |
| 02:51.43 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: you're better off just running cron-apt which will e-mail you when there are security updates. |
| 02:52.23 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: can apt do unattended security updates with default settings? |
| 02:52.30 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - probably, but it was installed with a standard etch install - not that I did min system and added packages myself I am not sure what package it is? Can you tell me |
| 02:52.31 | mo1991 | ? |
| 02:52.48 | mo1991 | not - > now |
| 02:52.50 | asg | mo1991: unattended updates of anything, security or otherwise, are not recommended |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | update-manager ? |
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| 02:53.28 | mo1991 | abrotman - I have install update manager but there is no little icon in my system tray telling me if there are updates - that is what I am looking for |
| 02:53.31 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: it can, but it's definetly not recommended. |
| 02:53.49 | abrotman | i don't know that it has one |
| 02:53.58 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: the package is just cron-apt; it doesn't do the systray icon. In my opinion, it does something better. |
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| 02:54.20 | rfrank | Caelum, still doesn't show it |
| 02:54.37 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I agree - it is better - I still want to know what the system tray program is though |
| 02:54.37 | Caelum | mo1991: use an email notification tray widget |
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| 02:54.57 | rfrank | mo1991, xfce has a great one built in |
| 02:55.01 | mo1991 | Standard Etch installation has this program installed similar to Fedeora that alerts you to updates |
| 02:55.05 | Caelum | rfrank: I have no clue why that would happen |
| 02:55.13 | mo1991 | I just didn't do the standard etch installation |
| 02:55.21 | rfrank | Caelum, yeah, its pretty weird.. is there anything else you need to have insatlled to run cups? |
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| 02:55.58 | itchi | mo1991: In 'Desktop/Preferences/Session' / Startup Programs, i have update-notifier |
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| 02:58.26 | StanSka | this whole #openssh channel aint helping out at all :) |
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| 02:59.58 | asg | StanSka: did you write /bin/myshell? |
| 03:00.22 | StanSka | yea |
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| 03:01.25 | asg | StanSka: then I'd suggest asking on the openssh mailing lists, they are in a better position to help find out why sftp fails with /bin/myshell |
| 03:01.45 | StanSka | alright |
| 03:01.45 | Caelum | scp at least expects bash |
| 03:02.05 | StanSka | well my shell switchs imediatly over to bash |
| 03:02.09 | asg | Caelum: his shell basically execs bash |
| 03:02.15 | StanSka | but i think its sending the SFTP requests while /bin/myshell is still running |
| 03:02.20 | rfrank | Can anybody here help me with CUPS, I can't get samba working with it |
| 03:02.28 | Caelum | when I had exec zsh in my .bashrc scp would hang forever |
| 03:03.11 | asg | Caelum: out of curiosity, why did you have 'exec zsh' in your .bashrc? |
| 03:04.03 | magyar | looking for a channel that deals with routing |
| 03:04.18 | asg | magyar: #networking or ##networking |
| 03:04.22 | bronze_|| | #networking perhaps |
| 03:04.34 | Caelum | asg: this was on a solaris box, can't change your shell, so I put the [ x$ZSH_VERSION = x -a -f /bin/zsh ] && exec /bin/zsh -l into .profile and .bashrc. Putting that into .bashrc was overkill though |
| 03:05.10 | asg | Caelum: no chsh in solaris? |
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| 03:05.33 | StanSka | gah i dont understand mailing lists and dont want to :) |
| 03:05.36 | abrotman | why are we answering questions about solaris ? |
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| 03:05.47 | asg | StanSka: you wrote your own shell but don't understand mailing lists? |
| 03:06.07 | StanSka | i understand it but i have never used one before |
| 03:06.17 | StanSka | i hate using forums and shit like that |
| 03:06.45 | itchi | StanSka: Make use of the Usenet?? |
| 03:06.55 | Phated | Heh. |
| 03:06.56 | asg | StanSka: it's an email address you send mail to and it gets sent to other people on the list. You have to sign up first, for obvious reasons, but it isn't hard and the instructions on openssh.org should be sufficient |
| 03:07.09 | StanSka | i understand that |
| 03:07.18 | StanSka | i am looking at he instructions now, but i dont want to use it |
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| 03:07.34 | abrotman | !be an email barbie |
| 03:07.34 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 03:07.37 | StanSka | i have someone that im sure can help me, i will just wait for him to get on or a reply from $openssh |
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| 03:07.41 | StanSka | #openssh* |
| 03:08.29 | asg | abrotman: should be 'telnet localhost 25' is HARD!?! |
| 03:08.58 | asg | abrotman: or "I can't say EHLO, let's go shopping" |
| 03:09.00 | magyar | asg: thanks |
| 03:09.00 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:09.05 | asg | magyar: you're welcome |
| 03:09.50 | JoshH_ | how do you get chanserv to join channels on hybrid7/hybserv? |
| 03:10.20 | abrotman | debian question ? |
| 03:10.23 | asg | JoshH_: I'm sure the manpages and/or /usr/share/doc/<pkg> would have the answer |
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| 03:20.56 | StanSka | :) |
| 03:21.10 | StanSka | i just smoked my last cigerete, time to quit :P |
| 03:21.18 | StanSka | purposfully spent all my money so i couldnt buy more |
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| 03:26.07 | Caelum | asg: nope, no chsh and only root can change shells |
| 03:26.08 | helo_ | i have linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 installed, but uname -a says "SMP"... is there a non-smp kernel i can install from a package? |
| 03:26.36 | Caelum | helo_: apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 03:26.57 | helo_ | yeah... i don't see any linux-image without smp that i don't have installed... |
| 03:27.04 | helo_ | besides the ones taht dont apply to my hardware |
| 03:27.26 | helo_ | there is linux-image-2.6-k7 and linux-image-2.6-k7-smp... i have the former installed. |
| 03:27.48 | magyar | i need to sync two directories |
| 03:27.51 | abrotman | okay .. so what ? |
| 03:27.58 | magyar | how |
| 03:28.00 | maher | helo: do you want smp or no smp |
| 03:28.05 | helo_ | i want no smp |
| 03:28.07 | abrotman | magyar: rsync |
| 03:28.09 | abrotman | helo: why ? |
| 03:28.09 | maher | magyar: rsync? |
| 03:28.23 | maher | helo: choose the k7 kernel without smp in its name then |
| 03:28.34 | magyar | on local machine? i thought rsync is for remote.........hmm |
| 03:28.42 | helo_ | maher: i already have that one installed |
| 03:28.56 | magyar | thanks |
| 03:29.08 | helo_ | abrotman: i'm trying to get some better performance in wine... trying everything i can think of :) |
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| 03:29.15 | abrotman | stop using it ? |
| 03:29.26 | Ronin | heh good answer |
| 03:29.28 | helo_ | ahh, thanks that's a great idea |
| 03:29.34 | Ronin | helo_: it is actually |
| 03:29.43 | Caelum | helo_: are you using the transmeta thingy? |
| 03:29.56 | helo_ | transmeta? heh no i have an amd processor |
| 03:30.01 | Ronin | helo_: what are you running in wine? |
| 03:30.06 | helo_ | wow |
| 03:30.17 | abrotman | transgaming |
| 03:30.20 | Caelum | ehh...I meant transgaming, sorry |
| 03:30.31 | Ronin | cedega then i suspect |
| 03:30.35 | helo_ | yeah |
| 03:30.41 | Ronin | or dual boot |
| 03:30.45 | Caelum | helo_: also tweak your DRI settings in xorg.conf |
| 03:30.46 | stew | i always wanted a crusoe laptop, but never got my hands on one |
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| 03:30.54 | helo_ | i use cedega already |
| 03:31.01 | abrotman | stew: i'm sure they can be had cheaply now :) |
| 03:31.14 | stew | yeah probably |
| 03:31.24 | stew | abrotman: they'd probably be faster than the one i'm using now |
| 03:31.31 | stew | but with much better battery life |
| 03:31.34 | abrotman | i thought you had a thinkpad |
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| 03:31.52 | stew | abrotman: i have many thinkpads. mines in the shop, so i'm using the 240 |
| 03:32.05 | stew | this thing is tiny |
| 03:32.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:32.19 | Caelum | the new intel and amd mobile procs do fairly well compared to transmeta |
| 03:32.23 | abrotman | http://search.ebay.com/crusoe-laptop_W0QQcatrefZC6QQcoactionZcompareQQcoentrypageZsearchQQcopagenumZ1QQfposZ19464QQfromZR10QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQsacatZQ2d1QQsadisZ200QQsargnZQ2d1QQsaslcZ2QQsbrftogZ1QQsofocusZbsQQsubmitsearchZSearch |
| 03:32.26 | Caelum | in terms of power usage |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | who needs tinyurl |
| 03:33.07 | maher | abrotman: size isn't everything |
| 03:33.37 | Ronin | maher: liar |
| 03:33.39 | helo_ | wow... 940KB/s from a kernel.org mirror |
| 03:33.47 | stew | abrotman: the problem with the crusoe laptops is that you have to get lucky to find one with a decent amount of memory |
| 03:33.55 | Caelum | helo_: use kernel-package if you make your own |
| 03:34.13 | helo_ | i always do :) |
| 03:34.20 | abrotman | stew: they can't be upgraded ? |
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| 03:34.49 | stew | abrotman: not easily |
| 03:35.11 | abrotman | why does that tard keep coming in with different hostnames ? |
| 03:35.15 | stew | and a solder station? |
| 03:36.07 | abrotman | yes .. solder ! |
| 03:36.15 | Caelum | they don't use dimms? |
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| 03:37.28 | stew | Caelum: they don't use dimms |
| 03:37.31 | stew | (iirc) |
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| 03:39.01 | peterS | Caelum: ethanol? sounds expensive to recharge the battery. that stuff is taxed pretty heavily. |
| 03:39.19 | peterS | maybe you mean butane or something |
| 03:39.28 | Caelum | butane would be dangerous |
| 03:39.33 | Caelum | methanol would work... |
| 03:39.37 | peterS | no more dangerous than in a lighter |
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| 03:40.04 | peterS | methanol would avoid the taxation (or denatured ethanol) |
| 03:41.04 | peterS | anyway, it _would_ be pretty cool to add to the world's CO2 production just by running your laptop |
| 03:41.31 | peterS | and CO production, let us not forget. make sure to use the laptop only in a well-ventilated area. |
| 03:41.59 | Phated | Butane isn't dangerous. At least, lighters use it. |
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| 03:42.28 | Ronin | doesnt mean its not dangerous |
| 03:42.28 | stew | and its not heavily taxed |
| 03:42.46 | Ronin | many commonly used things are dangerous if you do it right :) |
| 03:43.34 | peterS | butane may be dangerous but I fail to see how it would be more dangerous in a laptop battery form factor than in a cigarette lighter form factor |
| 03:43.38 | stew | this laptop is funny though, whenever the temperature goes up, black turns to green |
| 03:44.51 | peterS | now, kerosene, that's what we need to run laptops on. also known, in purified form, as jet fuel |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | can't we make them run on beer |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | of course .. the question then being. . if you had one beer left .. would you drink it or power the laptop .... |
| 03:46.24 | stew | my laptop's control unit actually does run on beer |
| 03:46.26 | Caelum | heh |
| 03:46.44 | peterS | abrotman: that's what started this conversation, Caelum wanted to run laptops on ethanol |
| 03:47.12 | peterS | beer may be too diluted for the process, though, only a few percent ethanol by volume |
| 03:47.29 | abrotman | you need hops! |
| 03:47.45 | Caelum | http://www.ultracellpower.com/assets/pdf/Ultracell_General_data.pdf <-- it lives, although in a pretty pathetic form |
| 03:47.58 | abrotman | beer powered ? |
| 03:48.36 | Caelum | 70% methanol 30% water |
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| 03:49.02 | magyar | how can i make user directory creation 700 ? |
| 03:49.15 | peterS | magyar: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 03:49.38 | magyar | peterS: thank you |
| 03:50.12 | magyar | peterS: is there a dpkg-reconfigure to make all user-dirs 700 ? |
| 03:50.27 | peterS | magyar: no, but 'chmod 700 /home/*' is not difficult |
| 03:50.34 | magyar | i know sarge by default used to ask me that |
| 03:50.58 | peterS | magyar: oh, you mean for the future, not for existing data. it would be in 'dpkg-reconfigure adduser' if it's anywhere |
| 03:51.02 | abrotman | i believe that was part of base-config ? |
| 03:51.07 | peterS | oh, perhaps |
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| 03:53.00 | magyar | peterS: sharp as always, it is adduser |
| 03:53.18 | peterS | it might also happen in base-config though |
| 03:53.19 | magyar | nope |
| 03:53.24 | peterS | 'cause abortman is also pretty sharp |
| 03:53.29 | magyar | Package `base-config' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 03:53.29 | magyar | Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, |
| 03:54.07 | magyar | thats etch |
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| 03:54.25 | magyar | who is abrotman? |
| 03:54.25 | abrotman | etch has no base-config |
| 03:54.27 | magyar | :) |
| 03:54.57 | magyar | never heard of him, i tough it was a bot |
| 03:54.57 | peterS | oh do you know the abrotman? |
| 03:55.11 | abrotman | i'm abotman! |
| 03:56.05 | magyar | Ibotman |
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| 03:56.16 | magyar | I in front maked it kool |
| 03:56.56 | dclarke | do any of you know how to boot linux from the firmware command line ? |
| 03:57.05 | peterS | dclarke: on what hardware platform? |
| 03:57.09 | dclarke | ppc |
| 03:57.15 | magyar | apple? |
| 03:57.15 | stew | mac boot? |
| 03:57.19 | peterS | dclarke: oh, depends on how you've set up the boot loader |
| 03:57.24 | stew | mac-boot? |
| 03:58.02 | peterS | dclarke: in my case on my ppc command line I just type 'boot net' and it netboots Debian off my other machine |
| 03:58.11 | peterS | but I doubt your systems are set up that way (: |
| 03:58.19 | dclarke | I can netboot |
| 03:58.32 | dclarke | in fact .. that is how I got the debian installer going |
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| 03:58.42 | dclarke | not that I have my kernel in /boot |
| 03:58.49 | dclarke | on the disk /dev/sda1 |
| 03:58.57 | dclarke | I am trying to figure out what to type |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | yaboot ? |
| 03:59.01 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:59.01 | dpkg | well, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 03:59.09 | peterS | well, if yaboot is on your boot loader then you can probably type 'boot disk' and go from there |
| 03:59.14 | dclarke | like boot hd:1 boot/kernel_file root=/dev/sda1 |
| 03:59.28 | magyar | how can I make directories created in /home/data to be 775 and files owned by root.users automagically? |
| 03:59.55 | peterS | magyar: you can't make directories be 775 automatically. as for owner/group, do 'chmod g+s /home/data' to get _that_ |
| 04:00.07 | dclarke | I have my own build of GRUB2 .. if I can get past this boot process |
| 04:00.13 | dclarke | sorry .. no yaboot here |
| 04:00.19 | peterS | magyar: g+s means the group is inherited, in a specific directory, by 'mkdir' and file creation |
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| 04:01.16 | magyar | peterS: so no way of setting some sort of umask on new dir creation |
| 04:02.02 | peterS | magyar: nope. inheritable ACLs might be close to what you want but ACLs of any sort are horridly complex to create and maintain compared to unix file permissions so it's best not to go there if you can avoid it |
| 04:02.43 | magyar | k |
| 04:02.50 | magyar | thanks for the info |
| 04:03.08 | peterS | anyway, g+s on a directory is 'propagate this group for new files and dirs in this directory' and that's the closest you can come |
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| 04:03.35 | magyar | roger |
| 04:03.51 | peterS | (and yes, 'mkdir' inside a g+s dir produces a g+s dir, so it works recursively) |
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| 04:12.02 | maher | why is realplayer so rubbish |
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| 04:12.56 | abrotman | it's streaming media |
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| 04:13.22 | magyar | peter i just tried the g+s and its a no go, root.root |
| 04:13.23 | maher | bah |
| 04:13.58 | peterS | magyar: so you did 'chown root:users /home/data; chmod g+s /home/data; mkdir /home/data/foo' and /home/data/foo turns out to be root:root? |
| 04:14.01 | magyar | peterS: it should be root.users |
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| 04:16.26 | friederich09 | please, where can i find information about clusters on debian? |
| 04:16.40 | magyar | peterS: mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/data/foo': File exists |
| 04:16.46 | magyar | but i dont see it |
| 04:17.15 | peterS | magyar: file exists but you don't see a file there? then you're way beyond what I can help you with, there's something about your system you aren't telling me |
| 04:18.35 | abrotman | which kind of clusters ? |
| 04:19.51 | magyar | peterS: odd, when i cd back to .. and back to data, did a mkdir foo, it worked |
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| 04:20.17 | peterS | magyar: possibly somebody deleted or renamed /home/data while you were in it, and recreated it |
| 04:20.21 | friederich09 | i'm getting started to study it right now and would like to now where to find stuffs about it. |
| 04:20.33 | abrotman | computational clusters or serving clusters ? |
| 04:20.33 | magyar | peterS: is this : drwsrwsr-x for data makes sense? |
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| 04:20.54 | peterS | magyar: that's u+s as well as g+s. I'm pretty sure the u+s is ignored. chmod 2775 is what you want. |
| 04:21.12 | friederich09 | computational clusters, i mean. |
| 04:21.24 | peterS | (2000 is g+s, 4000 is u+s, 775 is the rest of it) |
| 04:21.31 | abrotman | !find mpich sarge |
| 04:21.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mpich' (4 of 13): (/usr/bin/NPmpich) in net/netpipe-mpich ;; (/usr/bin/mpipython.mpich) in python/mpichpython ;; (/usr/lib/{libscalapack-mpich.a|libscalapack-mpich.so}) in devel/scalapack-mpich-dev ;; (/usr/lib/{libscalapack-mpich.so.1|libscalapack-mpich.so.1.7}) in devel/scalapack1-mpich. |
| 04:22.03 | abrotman | friederich09: mpich is packaged in debian .. apt-cache search mpich |
| 04:22.14 | DLB|Maximus | anyone know if the debian website has any images(buttons) made up that can be used to link back to its page from another site? |
| 04:22.21 | DLB|Maximus | i dont see any |
| 04:22.28 | abrotman | debian.org/logo ? |
| 04:23.33 | DLB|Maximus | dont think so |
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| 04:24.13 | abrotman | sorry .. debian.org/logos |
| 04:24.44 | DLB|Maximus | hmmm, is there a link somewhere on the site that i just didnt see? |
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| 04:25.06 | abrotman | it's somewhere ... but i forget where .. you have to dig a bit |
| 04:25.28 | abrotman | it's under Miscellaneous |
| 04:25.29 | DLB|Maximus | i see |
| 04:25.45 | magyar | peterS: works, i think the problem was with me unmouting a file system with -l |
| 04:25.51 | DLB|Maximus | im starting up a site and wanted to link back to debian.org.... |
| 04:25.58 | DLB|Maximus | thanks |
| 04:26.12 | abrotman | you're welcome |
| 04:26.12 | peterS | huh ... my mind is blown. it seems 'Alice Childress' by Ben Folds Five is actually in B major, not C major. I never noticed that before. for years I've lived under the illusion that it was in C. |
| 04:26.20 | peterS | magyar: oh, heh |
| 04:26.29 | abrotman | peterS: shit happens? :) |
| 04:26.41 | sussudio | lol |
| 04:26.55 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.55 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.56 | holy_cow | peterS, if i could only tell the difference |
| 04:27.00 | sussudio | !win peterS |
| 04:27.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, peterS! You have won the US presidency! |
| 04:27.03 | abrotman | at least it's not Bb minor ? |
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| 04:27.19 | peterS | holy_cow: well, obviously I couldn't. not until I was humming along with it and thought "hmmm that's lower than it should be" |
| 04:27.36 | Rusty1 | sure its not in c#? |
| 04:27.50 | peterS | sure. unless Ben tunes his piano down a whole step for fun. |
| 04:28.03 | abrotman | fun .. something like that |
| 04:28.35 | peterS | so I checked it against an mp3 of another song whose key I know for sure and sure enough, it was B rather than C. |
| 04:29.05 | peterS | ...unless the performers of this other song played a joke on me and tuned their performance up a half step. but they didn't. |
| 04:29.11 | magyar | peterS: try plating it back at 49 speed |
| 04:29.15 | magyar | playing |
| 04:29.42 | peterS | "Alice Childress" is much more intriguing now. B major is much harder to play in than C major. |
| 04:30.04 | peterS | though the bassist in the band would have had it about equally easy either way |
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| 04:30.16 | abrotman | peterS: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/b/ben_folds_five/alice_childress_crd.htm |
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| 04:30.41 | peterS | abrotman: yep, sure enough. B major. |
| 04:30.52 | abrotman | of course .. i don't have the song .. so i can't verify the actual correctness of the transcription |
| 04:31.36 | peterS | guitar tabs on a song written and performed on piano are a bit funny, but I guess it's no worse than me playing guitar songs on a piano, which I've been known to do |
| 04:31.48 | abrotman | you should see some of the ones for billy joel songs :) |
| 04:31.53 | peterS | heh |
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| 04:32.07 | holy_cow | what is trully neat is realizing just HOW MANY programmers/techie like people are musicians |
| 04:32.30 | abrotman | where they actually try to do more than the chords and do the whole tab of him doing arpeggios etc |
| 04:32.30 | peterS | holy_cow: not all that surprising when you think about it, though, it's just another form of nerd |
| 04:32.48 | holy_cow | lol |
| 04:32.55 | holy_cow | 'another form of nerd' |
| 04:32.56 | holy_cow | hehe |
| 04:32.59 | holy_cow | METANERD |
| 04:33.03 | holy_cow | -_- |
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| 04:33.16 | mconway | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:33.35 | peterS | see ya abortman |
| 04:33.40 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:33.51 | holy_cow | peter my thought often has been that music as an art has more in common with math than say painting |
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| 04:34.12 | holy_cow | music is very much a set of patterns at the root where painting has no strict boundriew |
| 04:34.13 | holy_cow | s |
| 04:34.18 | holy_cow | but thats just my guess |
| 04:35.00 | peterS | holy_cow: in other words as Bach allegedly said about: nothing remarkable about it, one merely hits the right keys at the right times and the instrument plays itself |
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| 04:35.20 | holy_cow | heh neat |
| 04:35.24 | holy_cow | i've never heard that before |
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| 04:35.35 | holy_cow | neat, makes sense |
| 04:35.41 | peterS | it's in the rotation in someone's sig quote file - dondelelcaro's, maybe? |
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| 04:36.46 | peterS | well, it does and it doesn't. partly this is a reflection of Bach downplaying his own skill. but part of it is that this observation is only true of specific instruments, like the harpsichord, which have very little 'expression' for an isolated note - there aren't a lot of ways to hit the keys |
| 04:37.18 | holy_cow | oh i can't disagree with that at all |
| 04:37.19 | peterS | you can't pretend a clarinet is as mechanical as bach describes the organ and harpsichord. it's not just a matter of blowing and moving your fingers. |
| 04:37.20 | holy_cow | indeed |
| 04:37.25 | holy_cow | right right |
| 04:37.27 | holy_cow | guitar too |
| 04:37.57 | peterS | yeah. even the piano is a lot more expressive than the harpsichord. you have a lot more control over volume and duration of notes. |
| 04:38.20 | peterS | but it's still a funny saying. |
| 04:39.57 | holy_cow | of all of the so called arts music to me is simply the most weird one because of its closeness to pattern and math |
| 04:40.01 | peterS | anyway, from a composition standpoint, if you think of music as nothing more than applied math, you end up with modernism, what we got 50 or 80 years ago, all notes and no music. I like to think that was a failed experiment and nobody's still producing that stuff, but I could be wrong. |
| 04:40.11 | holy_cow | thats true |
| 04:40.25 | holy_cow | thats actually a huge problem for me |
| 04:40.38 | holy_cow | i can learn to play something even maybe 'feel' it to give it a bit of life |
| 04:40.40 | peterS | I suppose I should go listen to some schoenberg so I actually know what I'm talking about, but.... |
| 04:40.41 | dclarke | question : if I restart the Debian installer will I have the option to merely add to the current install on the system ? |
| 04:41.00 | dclarke | or do I have to start over totally .. |
| 04:41.02 | holy_cow | but because i'm sooo visual (ex graphic designer) it autmatically gets converted in my mind to visual patterns |
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| 04:41.11 | holy_cow | and i get stuck playing patterns not music |
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| 04:41.32 | holy_cow | dclarke, start again i believe |
| 04:41.40 | dclarke | crap ... |
| 04:41.44 | dclarke | okay |
| 04:41.49 | peterS | holy_cow: I think it's a necessary step in mastery of an instrument to learn patterns that make sounds. eventually I think the patterns become automatic enough that you can go beyond that to actually think of it as music |
| 04:41.53 | dclarke | currently apt-get seg faults on me |
| 04:42.04 | holy_cow | interesting |
| 04:42.06 | holy_cow | so there is hope? |
| 04:42.06 | holy_cow | heh |
| 04:42.09 | dclarke | I have no ssh and no login sessions |
| 04:42.23 | dclarke | well .. I can login to the console .. thats it |
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| 04:42.55 | holy_cow | dclarke, that sounds like an issue that requires an onsite inspedction |
| 04:43.11 | dclarke | eh ? |
| 04:43.16 | holy_cow | i've never seen d-i seg fault, i have seen it hang on hardware detection and faulty ram and such |
| 04:43.27 | dclarke | I think perhaps a total reinstall |
| 04:43.45 | dclarke | but .. I do have some things installed |
| 04:43.46 | peterS | dclarke: the usual way to fix 'apt-get' segfault is to remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and then run 'apt-get update' to regenerate them. they become corrupt and apt-get is somewhat fragile w/r/t dealing with corrupt cache data |
| 04:43.47 | holy_cow | i thought di segfaulted? oh just thistime? |
| 04:43.50 | holy_cow | yeah why not |
| 04:43.57 | dclarke | di ? |
| 04:44.01 | holy_cow | debian installer |
| 04:44.04 | peterS | dclarke: I mean it may work or it may not but that's the first thing to try. it often works. |
| 04:44.08 | dclarke | no no .. apt-get seg faults |
| 04:44.19 | holy_cow | dclarke, doh! |
| 04:44.23 | dclarke | I wanted to try to install GCC .. but .. |
| 04:44.27 | holy_cow | ha! sorry my bad. way too late :) |
| 04:44.30 | holy_cow | i shutup now |
| 04:44.38 | dclarke | no no .. I apreaciate the input |
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| 04:45.19 | dclarke | do you know of a _fast_ mirror to install from ? |
| 04:45.41 | peterS | dclarke: nobody seems to know _why_ apt *.bin caches become corrupt, but once in a great while they do and then removing them fixes the problem. |
| 04:45.58 | dclarke | caches eh ? |
| 04:46.06 | dclarke | in /var somewhere most likely |
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| 04:46.13 | peterS | dclarke: yes, did you read what I said 2.5 minutes ago? |
| 04:46.48 | orestyle5 | after recompiling kernel from 2.6.8-3 to 2.6.18.5 I am left wondering if there are going to be any issue which might come up. I only have --mark-- in my messages log. I guess is there anywhere else I should look for possible issues? Dmesg is ok too |
| 04:46.49 | dclarke | I must have missed that |
| 04:46.57 | dclarke | sorry |
| 04:46.57 | Rusty1 | dclarke: someplace where they're sleeping when you're awake (fast mirror) |
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| 04:47.11 | dclarke | I never sleep |
| 04:47.14 | dclarke | :-) |
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| 04:47.32 | peterS | dclarke: so uh, did that work? |
| 04:47.47 | dclarke | peterS: dclarke: the usual way to fix 'apt-get' segfault is to remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and then run 'apt-get update' to regenerate them. they become corrupt and apt-get is somewhat fragile w/r/t dealing with corrupt cache data |
| 04:47.53 | dclarke | doing that now .. one sec |
| 04:49.00 | dclarke | reading in package lists ! |
| 04:49.43 | dclarke | okay.. so then .. does this mean I can install openssh with "apt-get install openssh" ??? |
| 04:50.07 | peterS | dclarke: no, the package is named 'ssh'. or, in etch, 'openssh-client' and 'openssh-server'. |
| 04:50.19 | dclarke | I am using etch here |
| 04:50.35 | peterS | well, those packages are installed by default, if I'm not mistaken, so you probably already have them |
| 04:50.42 | dclarke | also .. I have never seen Debian before in my life and this is a new PPC platform ... never seen before |
| 04:50.51 | dclarke | nope .. they are not in there |
| 04:50.58 | dclarke | no ssh that I can see |
| 04:51.05 | itchi | When i try to watch an DVD with xine or totem, when the app start, i get can't create mcop directory and it exit |
| 04:51.48 | dclarke | is there a function in apt-get to look into the package lists ? sort of a way to get a list of all packages with ssh in the name ? |
| 04:52.12 | peterS | dclarke: 'apt-cache search' and 'aptitude search' have functions like that |
| 04:52.29 | peterS | dclarke: not to mention 'grep-aptavail' from the dctrl-tools package |
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| 04:52.58 | dclarke | those are totally new to me .. thanks .. I'll read the man pages |
| 04:53.24 | dclarke | I just typed in apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 04:53.26 | itchi | hhhmm, i have activate that ESD there in Gnome, laptop have no hardware sound mixing. Need to checkout |
| 04:53.35 | peterS | I usually use apt-cache search, but I sometimes use grep-aptavail when I have a really specific type of search I need to perform |
| 04:53.42 | dclarke | that seem to be ... doing .. something |
| 04:53.50 | itchi | Maybe give that some troubles, with ESD vlc also not work :-( |
| 04:54.21 | peterS | I might use 'aptitude search' except that (a) it's really slow, and (b) I haven't learned all the nifty features that make it better than 'apt-cache search', which is fast |
| 04:55.17 | dclarke | okay .. this machine is really small .. so I will stick to what is fastest |
| 04:55.41 | peterS | well, try aptitude search, but I guarantee you'll like apt-cache search better from a speed perspective (: |
| 04:55.56 | dclarke | sysadm@icarus:~$ uname -a |
| 04:55.56 | dclarke | Linux icarus 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 04:56.03 | dclarke | ssh works ! |
| 04:56.07 | dclarke | :-) |
| 04:56.29 | itchi | hhhmm, okay, i have desactivate that ESD and totem, xine, yeah vlc! works |
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| 04:57.02 | itchi | Just need to find another way then for that audio software mixing |
| 04:57.39 | itchi | I need dmix?? |
| 04:59.02 | peterS | dclarke: you're out of date, 2.6.19 has been out for days (: |
| 04:59.27 | dclarke | oh .. |
| 04:59.32 | dclarke | I'll get right on that |
| 04:59.35 | dclarke | :-) |
| 04:59.51 | orestyle5 | dclarke: are you running any type of swraid? |
| 05:00.24 | dclarke | any what ? |
| 05:00.30 | orestyle5 | software raid |
| 05:00.37 | dclarke | do you want to see what I am running here ? |
| 05:00.40 | dclarke | http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/head_ATI_Radeon_2.jpg |
| 05:00.46 | dclarke | there .. thats it |
| 05:01.52 | orestyle5 | so no software raid. I ask I had tried to get .19 running but had trouble with the swraid so had to use 18.5 |
| 05:02.07 | dclarke | thats the whole machine and the ATI Radeon will be removed as soon as I have the ttya console working |
| 05:02.12 | peterS | dclarke: is there a hard disk anywhere nearby? I don't see it in the picture |
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| 05:02.27 | orestyle5 | Looks like you tore apart your waterbed.... |
| 05:02.28 | dclarke | its under the ATI Radeon graphics card |
| 05:02.50 | dclarke | ha ha .. no .. that is non-conductive mylar film |
| 05:03.12 | dclarke | here is a clean picture : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/Prototype_rear.jpg |
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| 05:03.54 | orestyle5 | no problems with heat from hd? |
| 05:04.02 | orestyle5 | this something you created? |
| 05:04.02 | dclarke | none at all |
| 05:04.08 | dclarke | no fan either |
| 05:04.21 | dclarke | shortly there will be no hard disk |
| 05:04.25 | peterS | what sort of ppc is on there? |
| 05:04.27 | pipeline | dclarke: Are you affiliated with the awesomeblastwave guys? :P |
| 05:04.33 | dclarke | yes |
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| 05:05.06 | pipeline | dclarke: Are you porting Solaris to that little thing? |
| 05:05.10 | orestyle5 | could make it smaller with laptop disk |
| 05:05.10 | dclarke | yes |
| 05:05.18 | pipeline | dclarke: jawesome |
| 05:05.21 | orestyle5 | if needed |
| 05:05.24 | pipeline | that is all |
| 05:05.28 | dclarke | orestyle5: it uses a laptop disk already |
| 05:05.35 | orestyle5 | Ah |
| 05:05.47 | dclarke | pipeline: we booted the Solaris kernel on it yesterday |
| 05:05.58 | peterS | dclarke: what sort of ppc is on there? |
| 05:06.05 | orestyle5 | hard to tell with photos. looks nice |
| 05:06.05 | dclarke | one sec ... |
| 05:06.50 | orestyle5 | what is ppc? |
| 05:06.51 | dclarke | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC5200 |
| 05:07.04 | dclarke | orestyle5: PowerPC |
| 05:07.23 | dclarke | we are doing the 32-bit port first then with native tools we will do the 64-bit build |
| 05:08.12 | KhanFused | Can anyone point me towards some (other) diagnostics to get my /dev/dsp back? I did an update last night that updated some things (KDE mostly, nothing audio-related that I could see) ... and now I've lost audio. Switching between ARTS (my usual default) and OSS in the KDE sound controls give me "/dev/dsp can't be opened (no such device)" ... I've checked a couple of the things I normally look at when sound vanishes (usually |
| 05:08.15 | orestyle5 | I know a guy on towards the coast building small pcs, but your are super tiny. |
| 05:08.37 | dclarke | orestyle5: this is a little bigger than a pack of cigs |
| 05:08.45 | dclarke | super low power |
| 05:08.46 | orestyle5 | His about the size of an external cd burner |
| 05:08.57 | orestyle5 | are you making these? |
| 05:09.02 | dclarke | 118mm x 153mm x 38mm |
| 05:09.12 | orestyle5 | still prototype? |
| 05:09.18 | dclarke | once we remove the PCI riser card .. it drops to 20 mm |
| 05:09.25 | peterS | dclarke: what's a bit sad is that the powerpc chip you pointed me to is probably faster than the one in my RS/6000. which was, at the time, a real unix workstation. |
| 05:09.25 | dclarke | nope .. not prototype anymore |
| 05:09.38 | dclarke | true .. |
| 05:09.52 | dclarke | the old RS/6000 was a _real_ machine |
| 05:09.58 | dclarke | I have ... let me count .. three here |
| 05:09.58 | peterS | (it says it's based on a 603e core at 400 MHz. I have a 604e at 375 MHz. so it would be close anyway.) |
| 05:10.11 | dclarke | very close |
| 05:10.14 | dclarke | plus the FPU of course |
| 05:10.29 | peterS | right. though I thought the 604e had a FPU anyway. maybe not like that one. |
| 05:10.33 | orestyle5 | dumb question, and not knowing much about ppc, I would assume this setup will run MAC and linux maybe win? |
| 05:10.48 | dclarke | Linux .. for sure .. its doing it now ! |
| 05:10.48 | peterS | orestyle5: "run MAC" has no meaning. do you mean Apple's OS X? |
| 05:11.02 | dclarke | one sec .. I need to install GCC here |
| 05:11.23 | peterS | orestyle5: as for Windows, NT used to support the PowerPC architecture but they dropped that in 1997 or so, so..... |
| 05:11.27 | dclarke | but .. I do need help with Debian as I am very new to it |
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| 05:11.38 | dclarke | but .. its the best Linux for the job |
| 05:11.48 | orestyle5 | Its been a long time since I used Apple |
| 05:11.51 | peterS | dclarke: glad to hear it |
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| 05:12.15 | orestyle5 | so the terminoligy only dates my knowledge |
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| 05:12.24 | dclarke | hrmmm .. like for example .. I try to install gcc3 and I get told .. no such package |
| 05:12.42 | peterS | dclarke: there exist packages like gcc-3.3, gcc-3.4, gcc-4.1 |
| 05:12.54 | dclarke | peterS: I was looking at Fedora Core ... for about an hour .. then said .. nope |
| 05:12.58 | peterS | heh |
| 05:13.11 | the_white_rabbit | apache2, virtual hosting question - how can I establish a default virtual host if I break up my config.s in sites-available? |
| 05:13.39 | orestyle5 | not getting the question answered in @apache? |
| 05:13.42 | peterS | dclarke: 3.3 is the oldest shipped with debian sarge and etch. if you need 3.0, 3.1 or 3.2 you are out of luck (: |
| 05:13.56 | dclarke | I just went with gcc-3.4 |
| 05:13.57 | Rusty1 | dclarke: perhaps dpkg -l gcc* gives an idea whats out there |
| 05:14.01 | the_white_rabbit | orestyle5: well, debian has a weird apache config. |
| 05:14.05 | peterS | dclarke: huh, unless you want to go to gcc-2.95, that is still around, perhaps surprisingly |
| 05:14.15 | dclarke | which gcc |
| 05:14.15 | dclarke | huh ? |
| 05:14.30 | dclarke | darn .. now then .. where did it get installed ? |
| 05:14.42 | peterS | dclarke: /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 05:14.49 | dclarke | in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 05:15.21 | orestyle5 | the_white_rabbit: I am sorta messing with this. In the main apache.conf I think you need the NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 05:15.23 | dclarke | oh .. I figured I'd get a symlinked /usr/bin/gcc |
| 05:15.31 | peterS | dclarke: debian doesn't use /usr/local/bin at all, that's reserved for the local admin. anything that has binaries users are supposed to run, you'll find them in /bin and /usr/bin. you can use 'dpkg -L gcc-3.4' for more information |
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| 05:15.51 | the_white_rabbit | orestyle5: yes, but that won't establish a default |
| 05:15.52 | dclarke | peterS : prefect |
| 05:16.14 | peterS | dclarke: and no, the gcc symlink is hard-coded - if you want to override it, the simple way is to create one as /usr/local/bin/gcc -> /usr/bin/gcc-3.4. since even though debian doesn't install anything in /usr/local/bin, it does put it in at the top of the default path. |
| 05:16.15 | dclarke | peterS : like Solaris we don't put anything there unless absolutely necessary .. then we rethink it |
| 05:16.33 | orestyle5 | the_white_rabbit: then in each virtual host you basically do VirtualHost *:80 and you should be set |
| 05:16.47 | the_white_rabbit | orestyle5: yes, but default order! |
| 05:16.47 | peterS | dclarke: debian puts _directories_ in /usr/local so admins will know where packages might look for locally installed files like perl modules. but debian creates no _files_ in there. |
| 05:17.03 | the_white_rabbit | orestyle5: one virtualhost can be the default, but it depends on the order of appearance |
| 05:17.10 | the_white_rabbit | don't worry, I'm going to do it the non-debian way |
| 05:17.42 | peterS | dclarke: btw, to find out what files a package has installed: dpkg -L packagename. the inverse: dpkg -S /file/name |
| 05:17.47 | dclarke | peterS : what I really need to do is figure out how to install all the necessary packages for a typical development workstation in one shot |
| 05:17.58 | peterS | dclarke: start with 'aptitude install build-essential' |
| 05:18.04 | orestyle5 | the_white_rabbit: I basically have one default and on ssl virtual host |
| 05:18.19 | peterS | build-essential pulls in, via dependencies, several things that are considered useful for most Debian package development. so it's a good place to start |
| 05:18.33 | peterS | dclarke: ('aptitude install' is a smarter 'apt-get install', both work) |
| 05:18.35 | dclarke | peterS : thank you !! |
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| 05:19.32 | dclarke | I have nothing but a console here ... and if I do this right I should be able to modify my inittab to default at level 3 ( multi - user ) and not lose any functionality |
| 05:20.33 | peterS | dclarke: runlevels 2 and 3 are identical in default debian installs. you can customize them yourself via links in /etc/rc2.d /etc/rc3.d, but unlike Red Hat and the like, they aren't different by default. |
| 05:20.33 | peterS | 2 3 4 5 are all identical by default, in fact |
| 05:20.34 | dclarke | okay .. so I can leave it at 2 then safely |
| 05:20.34 | the_white_rabbit | orestyle5: I think I have it, thanks for your efforts mate |
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| 05:20.48 | peterS | yeah unless you have a need to define multiple runlevels for your own convenience. |
| 05:21.05 | dclarke | peterS : my real conundrum is that I can not get this little machine to boot from the local disk |
| 05:21.07 | orestyle5 | the_white_rabbit: does it have to do with the alphabetical order? |
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| 05:21.20 | peterS | dclarke: does it have open firmware or some custom bootstrap system? |
| 05:21.39 | the_white_rabbit | orestyle5: perhaps, anyway, ive solved the problem |
| 05:21.39 | the_white_rabbit | cheers |
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| 05:21.40 | dclarke | peterS : excellent open firmware |
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| 05:22.16 | dclarke | here is a better picture : note the penny : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless_3.jpg |
| 05:22.23 | peterS | dclarke: then it shouldn't be hard to get it to boot the disk. unless the disk controller doesn't have an OF extension - that's the case on my RS/6000, I added a PCI IDE card to it and installed debian onto that, so I have to netboot debian as the PCI IDE card doesn't have OF |
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| 05:22.48 | dclarke | firmware info : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless_4.jpg |
| 05:22.59 | peterS | dclarke: heh, no need for the penny, we can see the size of the cr2032 battery (: |
| 05:23.20 | dclarke | peterS : some people need a frame of reference |
| 05:23.23 | dclarke | :-) |
| 05:24.01 | dclarke | hrmmm .. the "aptitude install build-essential" finished and still no gas in sight |
| 05:24.02 | peterS | ah, OF written by CodeGen. |
| 05:24.15 | peterS | dclarke: /usr/bin/as |
| 05:24.16 | dclarke | yep ... |
| 05:24.35 | dclarke | icarus:~# as --version |
| 05:24.35 | dclarke | GNU assembler 2.17 Debian GNU/Linux |
| 05:24.37 | peterS | dclarke: or 'dpkg -L binutils | grep bin/' (: |
| 05:24.40 | dclarke | ahhh .. sorry |
| 05:24.50 | dclarke | spot the Debian noobie eh ? |
| 05:25.57 | peterS | I do the 'dpkg -L foo | grep bin/' thing quite frequently |
| 05:25.57 | dclarke | I'm a better Solaris/OpenSolaris developer |
| 05:25.57 | peterS | this is why I'm trying to answer all your questions, 'cause I can see you aren't a n00b but an experience unix person who just doesn't happen to know debian |
| 05:25.57 | dclarke | in Solaris we have a similar thing .. |
| 05:25.57 | {c} | we believe you |
| 05:25.57 | dclarke | peterS : and I appreciate it ! |
| 05:26.26 | dclarke | I am involved in a number of open source projects and I manage to muddle along with some help :-) |
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| 05:27.06 | dclarke | okay .. I wonder what I am missing ... ah yes .. setting the console session to be ttya exclusively |
| 05:27.23 | peterS | dclarke: hmmm, so, 'boot hd', if the right sort of boot partition has been set up on it, ought to do the trick. or it may be necessary to create a devalias for a specific pathname inside a partition |
| 05:27.28 | dclarke | that will need to be done in inittab I suspect as well as a few other places |
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| 05:27.52 | niru | hwllo all |
| 05:28.07 | dclarke | boot hd:0 /boot/kernel_file root=/dev/sda1 |
| 05:28.17 | dclarke | but .. that doesn't seem to work |
| 05:28.30 | peterS | dclarke: you might get some help in #debianppc, they probably know a lot more about exotic OF flavors than I do. I do not know whether they are on this network or on irc.debian.org |
| 05:28.46 | peterS | not that the pegasos is _that_ exotic, but. |
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| 05:28.56 | niru | How can I create an iso image for a single folder with some content |
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| 05:29.04 | dclarke | this thing is maybe five days old |
| 05:29.13 | peterS | (in the past, irc.debian.org _was_ this network - so I don't know whether #debianppc moved when the irc.debian.org alias moved, or not) |
| 05:29.15 | dclarke | its not really a pegasos anymore |
| 05:29.32 | dclarke | well .. I see a pile of debian in my future :-) |
| 05:29.41 | peterS | I hope so. we like the OS, we hope you do too. |
| 05:29.50 | dclarke | I better figure out how to use apt-cache quickly to see what is in the catalog |
| 05:30.00 | dclarke | peterS : loving it thus far |
| 05:30.14 | peterS | we have a developer who works for the company that produces the pegasos, but he has trouble getting along with the debian-installer and debian-kernel teams, so support for that platform has fallen somewhat behind due to their personal friction |
| 05:30.23 | Ilovemypuppy | is there a debian equivalent to gentoo's rc-update? |
| 05:30.32 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: what does gentoo's rc-update do? |
| 05:30.39 | dclarke | peterS : I'll bet a guy named sven |
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| 05:30.45 | peterS | dclarke: amazing guess |
| 05:30.49 | peterS | you know him? |
| 05:30.53 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, its like rcconf only without the ncurses interface |
| 05:30.58 | dclarke | peterS : ha ha .. been there .. done that .. |
| 05:30.59 | Rubin | where does exim4 configure what FQDN it adds if you address mail locally to 'username'? |
| 05:31.08 | peterS | dclarke: "/whois svenl" - that guy? as if I needed an answer |
| 05:31.08 | Rubin | mine isnt, and i cant figure it out. hostname, hostname -f, all ok.. |
| 05:31.13 | niru | peterS:how can I make an iso image out of a folder that containes some packages for installation |
| 05:31.18 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, you can add/remove services to the current runlevel with it |
| 05:31.19 | dclarke | peterS : he needs a minor personality adjustment |
| 05:31.48 | peterS | dclarke: that's the opinion of a lot of people - he has trouble with just about every team he participates in, and has trouble imagining that the problem is him rather than them. but anyway. |
| 05:32.05 | dclarke | peterS : in any case ... yes .. we move along |
| 05:32.07 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: debian has 'update-rc.d' which sounds like it might be what you're after |
| 05:32.22 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, as much as I love the debian distro, I have to say the debian community is about as abrasive as it gets |
| 05:32.30 | dclarke | peterS : is there a similar grand unified package for workstation configs ? |
| 05:32.32 | peterS | niru: you mean you want to create a functional archive of .deb files on a CD? |
| 05:32.35 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, thanks |
| 05:32.53 | peterS | dclarke: I'm not sure what you mean by 'workstation configs' but you can run 'tasksel' and see what you think |
| 05:33.26 | dclarke | tasksel seems to just hang there |
| 05:33.38 | peterS | hmmm, it shouldn't. not that I've run it in a rather long time. |
| 05:33.44 | peterS | what sorts of packages do you have in mind here? |
| 05:33.45 | dclarke | oops .. there we are .. ahhh curses based |
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| 05:33.58 | peterS | optraz1: I hope you enjoyed your stay |
| 05:34.07 | niru | peterS:yes something like that |
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| 05:34.36 | niru | peterS:I want to get an iso image out of that folder |
| 05:34.38 | peterS | niru: hmmm. the 'apt-ftparchive' package is probably what you want, to create an archive structure on your local disk, then use 'mkisofs' as usual to go from there to a CD image |
| 05:34.48 | dclarke | peterS : at minimum PostgreSQL and a few other tools .. possibly basic desktop stuff |
| 05:35.06 | dclarke | peterS : developer support is crucial of course |
| 05:35.09 | peterS | dclarke: desktop stuff as in gui stuff? tasksel lets you choose a few gui frameworks, I believe |
| 05:35.24 | Ilovemypuppy | ok I did a bare install, so im obviously missing something, but the man command doesnt want to let my scroll up and down through a manual |
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| 05:35.32 | peterS | dclarke: as for postgresql, there are multiple packages postgresql-x.y that will give you that. |
| 05:35.38 | dclarke | peterS : I think that gui options need to be in there but .. not enabled by default |
| 05:35.47 | jesus | exit |
| 05:35.51 | Ilovemypuppy | it looks to me like its just doing a "more" so I think im missing a system prob |
| 05:35.52 | Ilovemypuppy | prog |
| 05:35.58 | peterS | I guess postgresql-7.4 and postgresql-8.1 are the only two supported at the moment.. |
| 05:36.08 | Ilovemypuppy | I'd be really grateful if someone would give me a clue |
| 05:36.14 | dclarke | peterS: a small machine like this needs to manage resources correctly .. so .. no heavy graphics |
| 05:36.16 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: install 'less' |
| 05:36.26 | peterS | Ilovemypuppy: it's much smarter than 'more' and 'man' will use it by default |
| 05:36.37 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, thank you aain |
| 05:36.38 | Ilovemypuppy | again |
| 05:36.51 | peterS | dclarke: yeah that's why I asked whether you meant gui stuff, obviously you're building a small/limited box |
| 05:36.51 | Ilovemypuppy | peterS, ahhh thats much better |
| 05:37.04 | Ilovemypuppy | seriously though - very good stuff, best install so far |
| 05:37.10 | dclarke | peterS : a dedicated task box |
| 05:37.32 | peterS | hmmm, I was wrong, postgresql-8.2 exists now too |
| 05:37.34 | dclarke | peterS : although a build of PostgreSQL is really critical : like so http://www.blastwave.org/packages.php/postgresql |
| 05:37.51 | dclarke | peterS : last I saw was 8.1.5 |
| 05:38.10 | dclarke | however .. 8.1.5 is a trivial update to 8.1.4 |
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| 05:38.25 | peterS | dclarke: wait, which debian release do you have on there? I don't want to spout bad advice if I'm mistaken on this score |
| 05:38.41 | niru | peterS:now I have four packages in a folder |
| 05:38.56 | niru | peterS:I gave apt-ftparchive generate config |
| 05:38.58 | dclarke | peterS : which release ? |
| 05:39.14 | dclarke | peterS : ummm .. I think its called etch |
| 05:39.16 | peterS | dclarke: stable (debian 3.1), testing (etch, debian 4.0, not yet released)? |
| 05:39.21 | niru | peterS:E: Opening configuration file config - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:39.37 | peterS | and I was mistaken about postgresql-8.2, that's only in 'experimental' and it is versioned as 'rc1' so apparently the real thing isn't out yet |
| 05:40.24 | peterS | niru: well, I won't try to help you learn apt-ftparchive because I haven't really used it myself, so that wouldn't be a good use of my time. (better to let you read the manual than for me to read it first (: ) |
| 05:40.37 | dclarke | peterS : no problem .. once I have the tools I can build it myself :-) |
| 05:40.38 | neoalex | hi guys, what's a small and simple command line mixer |
| 05:40.42 | neoalex | for oss not alsa |
| 05:40.54 | peterS | neoalex: aumix |
| 05:41.04 | peterS | well, aumix also has a curses mode, but you _can_ use it from the command line if you wish |
| 05:41.21 | dondelelcaro | niru: you don't need to run generate config; create a Release file, and then apt-ftparchive packages . |gzip -c > Packages.g |
| 05:41.29 | niru | peterS:Any manual |
| 05:41.29 | neoalex | I need to, and it has to be small, very small |
| 05:41.29 | peterS | niru: you _can_ produce a working archive with nothing more than 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz', but apt-ftparchive produces a more conventional one |
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| 05:41.54 | dclarke | peterS : you around for a while ? I have 300+ packages installing here :-) and I need to go find a manual for console setup |
| 05:42.10 | neoalex | oh and peterS, what's the best commmand line player mpg123, mpg321, or madplay? |
| 05:42.18 | peterS | dclarke: I might be. I have a cold so I'm feeling a bit feverish and might go to bed at some point, I haven't decided quite when. |
| 05:42.19 | dondelelcaro | niru: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4739 is an example of a script that I use to generate one. |
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| 05:43.12 | peterS | neoalex: mpg123 might produce a more true reproduction of the original music, but it's patent-encumbered, so debian doesn't distribute it in the main archive. if you restrict yourself to main, mpg321 and madplay are probably about equivalent as they both use libmad for their codec |
| 05:43.22 | dclarke | peterS : tis the season .. me too here .. been coughing for weeks I think |
| 05:43.35 | peterS | neoalex: libmad is believed to sidestep the mp3 decoding patents by using a different algorithm, using fixed-point math instead of floating point |
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| 05:44.06 | peterS | dclarke: oh, I've only been coughing for about a week. I danced with a girl who had a cough even though I knew better, so I blame myself. |
| 05:44.28 | peterS | or actually more like half a week. |
| 05:44.35 | dclarke | well done ! |
| 05:44.40 | dclarke | :-) |
| 05:44.59 | mfrisch | peterS: was she worth it? |
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| 05:45.26 | peterS | mfrisch: she's always a pleasure to dance with so, yeah, probably. especially since I might not have caught it from her anyway, so I might have the same problem either way. |
| 05:45.50 | mfrisch | good answer! |
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| 05:46.10 | niru | dondelelcaro:I created the packages.gz and release files |
| 05:46.16 | niru | how to get iso now |
| 05:46.37 | neoalex | on mpg123.org they say mpg123 is among Debian's free software now |
| 05:46.40 | peterS | mfrisch: if I were afraid of casually communicable diseases I'd have to avoid social dancing entirely. so whenever the question comes up I always just say "screw it, if I catch something, I catch something" |
| 05:46.45 | neoalex | if you look in the news archive |
| 05:47.09 | neoalex | anyway, I need the fastest one, don't really care too much about the sound quality |
| 05:47.21 | neoalex | mpg123 has a bit of a delay until it starts playing |
| 05:47.32 | mfrisch | peterS: I don't think about getting sick that much ;-) |
| 05:47.50 | peterS | neoalex: mpg123 also has the annoying habit of looking at the size of a file when it _starts_ playing it, so if you start mpg123 while still downloading a file, it'll stop halfway through even if the whole file has arrived by then. |
| 05:48.00 | peterS | mfrisch: right. |
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| 05:50.34 | dclarke | silly question time : I see on my terminal here ( xterm actually ) that tasksel is dragging in file 454 of 547 but the installation progress only says 8% .. am I missing something obvious here ? |
| 05:50.52 | neoalex | ah... by the way peterS with mpg123 I can play directly from an http source, but can I also save the file |
| 05:51.44 | TGPO | dclarke, yup, the rest of that progress bar will move as it installs and configures |
| 05:51.49 | peterS | if I wanted to save the file I'd use wget or snarf |
| 05:52.02 | dclarke | oh .. this is just file "retreival" |
| 05:52.24 | mfrisch | I can't figure out how to add a key to a luks dm partition created with rc1 install cd anybody know how |
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| 05:52.30 | dclarke | ah .. I better line up some Star Trek Voyager re-runs then :-\ |
| 05:52.50 | {c} | Voyager!? |
| 05:52.51 | {c} | wtf |
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| 05:53.28 | dclarke | I have the series on DVD and for those long long builds .. well .. it helps |
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| 05:55.20 | helo_ | when running /usr/sbin/update-grub, where does it look for the splash image? |
| 05:55.45 | peterS | dclarke: we hope you don't feel the need for too many long builds on your debian box. we try to make informed decisions when building packages such that people don't feel there's much to be gained by rebuilding from scratch. not that we try to _stop_ you, we'd just rather make it unnecessary. |
| 05:56.40 | TGPO | bah, I like doing new builds, its kind of fun in a masochistic sort of way |
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| 05:58.50 | dclarke | peterS : that is the same philosophy at Blastwave |
| 05:58.57 | peterS | ah right |
| 05:59.01 | dclarke | peterS : and I agree totally |
| 05:59.37 | dclarke | hrmmm .. new problem .. I'm not too sure that my mouse is supported .. |
| 05:59.45 | dclarke | oh well .. |
| 05:59.59 | peterS | dclarke: btw, to rebuild a debian package: 'apt-get source packagename' - downloads and extracts the source in the current directory. 'cd packagename-a.b.c' then run 'debuild'. debuild is in the 'devscripts' package. debuild executes the makefile found in 'debian/rules'. |
| 06:00.00 | niru | dondelelcaro:I created the packages.gz and release files |
| 06:00.04 | dclarke | minor concern given that I want this to be a serial console login |
| 06:00.08 | niru | But how to get iso |
| 06:00.13 | peterS | dclarke: of course you're free to edit debian/rules or anything else before you run debuild on it. |
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| 06:00.21 | peterS | dclarke: what sort of mouse? |
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| 06:00.52 | dclarke | logitech 3 button mouse |
| 06:00.52 | dclarke | nothing new or fancy |
| 06:00.56 | peterS | dclarke: those are so bog-standard it'd be crazy if they weren't supported. USB port or PS/2 port? |
| 06:00.56 | dclarke | but the USB ports are a tad new |
| 06:01.01 | peterS | I see only the USB ports on your box |
| 06:01.14 | peterS | so the question is whether the USB host interface on your motherboard is supported. the rest will be. |
| 06:01.22 | dclarke | yes .. those USB ports are supported by the main processor |
| 06:01.49 | dclarke | the processor is a SoC type implementation from FreeScale and thus .. quite new |
| 06:01.54 | peterS | anyway once you've loaded the USB host controller drivers - 'ohci_hcd' and 'ehci_hcd' possibly - you just need the mouse modules |
| 06:02.11 | peterS | (ohci and ehci are standard USB host controller interfaces, yours might be something else) |
| 06:02.47 | peterS | there are two mouse modules. 'usbhid' is USB Human Interface Devices, applies to keyboards/mice/joysticks/etc. then there is 'mousedev' which is a frontend module that presents all the kernel mice to userspace via the /dev/input/mice device |
| 06:03.15 | peterS | so you can think of 'usbhid' as a backend, 'input' (loaded automatically, don't worry about it) as middleware, 'mousedev' as a frontend |
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| 06:05.42 | dclarke | peterS : its getting real late .. I think I better figure out my serial console login problem :-) |
| 06:06.01 | peterS | dclarke: serial console login problem? are you running a getty for it in /etc/inittab? |
| 06:06.20 | peterS | (type 'telinit q' to make init reread that file, btw.) |
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| 06:07.13 | dclarke | essentially I want to remove all graphics from this machine |
| 06:07.20 | peterS | dclarke: or is the problem something like 'root can't login on the serial line'? in that case edit /etc/securetty |
| 06:07.25 | dclarke | theonly local login is via the serial console |
| 06:07.35 | peterS | right. |
| 06:07.35 | dclarke | ah .. that's new to me |
| 06:07.50 | dclarke | I'll take a look at that file |
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| 06:08.30 | peterS | dclarke: and if you come from solaris you won't be surprised to find /etc/pam.d/login and friends. pam_securetty.so is what actually enforces /etc/securetty |
| 06:09.00 | dclarke | pam modules .. yes .. quite familiar with that :-) |
| 06:09.31 | peterS | good, good. pam support in debian became pervasive about 2 or 3 releases ago. it was nice when that happened. |
| 06:10.51 | dclarke | it looks like ttyS0 is already defined in /etc/securetty |
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| 06:11.51 | peterS | dclarke: and is ttyS0 the actual serial port you want? that's a PC serial port, traditionally - 16550A, ISA port 378, etc. |
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| 06:13.00 | peterS | dclarke: in fact my RS/6000, being a CHRP platform, does use the ISA serial port interface ... but your little box possibly does not |
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| 06:19.54 | dclarke | something .. not good .. just happened |
| 06:20.04 | dclarke | running telinit q was a bad idea I think |
| 06:20.05 | peterS | dclarke: you might try using /dev/console instead of /dev/ttyS0 - if I'm not mistaken, the kernel should figure out what that is from information fed in by OF |
| 06:20.20 | dclarke | ah .. okay |
| 06:20.25 | dclarke | maybe .. |
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| 06:20.32 | dclarke | its okay to force the issue |
| 06:20.37 | peterS | I'm assuming OF is using the serial console? |
| 06:20.53 | dclarke | if I set the input and output devices to ttya then yes |
| 06:21.27 | dclarke | what happens is that I boot ( across the network ) and then my screen fires up and everything happens there |
| 06:21.37 | dclarke | but .. I am going to remove that ATI card |
| 06:21.38 | peterS | dclarke: try running 'dmesg | less' to see the kernel log (including boot-time messages) to see what it says about serial ports |
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| 06:22.05 | peterS | i.e., whether it's assigning ttyS0 to your UART, or assigning something else to it, or not finding it at all |
| 06:22.13 | dclarke | I uncommented a line in /etc/inittab by the way |
| 06:22.16 | dclarke | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 06:22.36 | peterS | yeah that looks fine. assuming your serial console really is at 9600 of course |
| 06:22.44 | dclarke | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100 |
| 06:22.49 | dclarke | thats correct |
| 06:23.21 | peterS | oh, I can't get much more than 19200 from my serial console without danger of overflow (and I had some trouble with getting flow control to behave, so) |
| 06:23.21 | cast_ | wow. the manual for my sata2usb connector, is interesting. apparently the connector is friendly, but aside from that ".However ,if u have Windows 98", then later on regarding unplugging it "Whopping the product properly".."then u can whop the USBcable from the USB port" |
| 06:23.25 | dclarke | # /etc/securetty: list of terminals on which root is allowed to login. |
| 06:23.34 | peterS | cast_: oh dear (: |
| 06:23.39 | dclarke | # for people with serial port consoles |
| 06:23.39 | dclarke | ttyS0 |
| 06:23.54 | peterS | dclarke: right. so if getting is indeed talking to ttyS0, that part is fine |
| 06:23.58 | peterS | getty I mean |
| 06:24.10 | cast_ | wow. for the entire manual it appears the chinese man who wrote this has used 'whop' instead of 'remove' |
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| 06:24.17 | dclarke | I better figure out how to knock the firmware down to 9600 baud |
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| 06:24.40 | peterS | dclarke: well, maybe you've got flow control behaving properly, I assume that's the only reason I had trouble with faster speeds |
| 06:25.08 | dclarke | hrmmm .. just got a message on the console |
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| 06:25.42 | peterS | dclarke: you can use the 'setserial' and 'stty' commands to manipulate serial port settings |
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| 06:26.11 | peterS | as in, stty -F /dev/ttyS0 9600 |
| 06:26.12 | abchirk | !ops eva spam on join |
| 06:26.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: eva spam on join |
| 06:26.22 | peterS | bleh |
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| 06:26.34 | abchirk | and good morning all |
| 06:27.36 | Marupa | Hey, all...I'm attempting to install xorg and tightvnc, when I log in with tightvnc all I get is a console, rather than a desktop. When I try 'startx' under ssh, I get X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. Any ideas? |
| 06:27.46 | dclarke | INIT: Id "T0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 06:27.50 | dclarke | thats odd |
| 06:28.29 | peterS | dclarke: right, that means getty kept trying and failing to set up - probably because it couldn't find ttyS0 |
| 06:28.57 | dclarke | I see a reboot in my future I guess |
| 06:29.02 | peterS | dclarke: you built this kernel yourself - did you build the serial driver in or as a module? I hope you included it in the core kernel if you need it for your console |
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| 06:29.22 | peterS | dclarke: well, meanwhile you can comment the line back out and 'telinit q' again. until you figure out the serial port situation |
| 06:30.29 | dclarke | yep .. I'm a coward |
| 06:30.35 | dclarke | I'll do just that |
| 06:30.57 | peterS | dclarke: the thing is, until you figure out the deal with the serial port and why getty can't find it, reboots won't do much good (: |
| 06:31.13 | dclarke | yep .. I figured that |
| 06:31.27 | dclarke | I don't normally do the Microsoft approach to sysadmin anyways |
| 06:31.31 | peterS | hehe |
| 06:32.46 | dclarke | $ uname -a |
| 06:32.47 | dclarke | SunOS enterprise 5.9 Generic_118558-05 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-Enterprise |
| 06:32.47 | dclarke | $ uptime |
| 06:32.47 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:33.32 | streuner | hm |
| 06:33.39 | streuner | nice uptime :-) |
| 06:33.40 | orestyle5 | what would be a solid ftp server for debian (ssl) |
| 06:34.00 | Ilovemypuppy | VO: [aa] cannot open /dev/vcsa00 for writing,so we'll not use linux driver <---- mplayer is giving me this error with aa as the video out device , can anyone help? |
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| 06:34.23 | peterS | what's up with people wanting ftp + ssl? the ftp protocol was never designed for that sort of thing. does it even encrypt the data channel? anyway, I don't know, most of us use openssh-server instead |
| 06:34.26 | streuner | !ftp_should_die |
| 06:34.42 | peterS | dclarke: btw, 'telinit q' actually _restarts_ init. this means you can even upgrade libc on your box and that will issue 'telinit q' and your old libc will not be used even by init anymore. this is a feature most OSes don't have. fundamentally it means the only component on the system that can't be upgraded without a reboot is the kernel itself. |
| 06:34.44 | streuner | s/should/MUST/ |
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| 06:35.14 | peterS | dclarke: and as you know now, channel etiquette (enforced by a bot) is not to paste a lot of stuff here. we consider 2 lines the edge of politeness, anything more is annoying. |
| 06:35.22 | orestyle5 | I havent been using debian long, but want to download some images to my remote server.. But need to get them off the net.. |
| 06:35.25 | peterS | dclarke: but that _is_ an impressive uptime |
| 06:35.29 | orestyle5 | actually upload |
| 06:35.31 | cast_ | would be nicer if the openssh sftp client didn't suck, but anyway.. |
| 06:35.34 | dclarke | well ... that was news to me .. clearly :-\ |
| 06:35.51 | peterS | dclarke: yeah, I know - anyway, 2 lines or less, otherwise use a paste site or just paraphrase (: |
| 06:36.02 | dclarke | we Solaris geeks are known to paste ten lines ata time |
| 06:36.24 | orestyle5 | will openssh server allow up loads from remote clients? |
| 06:36.31 | cast_ | dclarke: why is that? |
| 06:36.36 | dclarke | mostly because there are so many specialized channels and not many people in each |
| 06:36.38 | peterS | well, this channel occasionally gets very busy, and seeing 10 lines of someone's paste would seriously disrupt the rest of the conversations in the channel. so that's why we say this. |
| 06:36.38 | cast_ | orestyle5: yes. look into scponly, too |
| 06:36.42 | streuner | dclarke: imagine when 20 people talking and everybody would paste 10 lines at the same time... |
| 06:36.57 | dclarke | yes .. clearly |
| 06:37.24 | orestyle5 | Ah, ok, we have been using winscp for some time. Never crossed my mind. great thanks! :) |
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| 06:37.47 | BriareosH | hi everyone |
| 06:37.47 | Marupa | Any suggestions on how to get the 'user not authorized' problem to go away? |
| 06:37.48 | BriareosH | didn't find on the forums or on the mailing lists : mkisofs requires genisoimage but genisoimage doesn't exist. Debian Sid. It has been for a few days... normal ? not normal ? |
| 06:37.49 | peterS | orestyle5: there may be an ftp server in debian that supports ssl, but like I said, ssh is nicer if you have clients that can use it |
| 06:37.49 | cast_ | would be nice if openssh had option to allow chrooted sftp only, too, mmm. |
| 06:38.27 | peterS | BriareosH: it's in sid now. it wasn't a week ago. |
| 06:38.54 | peterS | BriareosH: your mirror may be out of date or something. or the builds on your hardware architecture might be. |
| 06:38.57 | orestyle5 | I am basically looking for icons for website, and need to get them uploaded to server. I really an new so I pretty much can putty into my server and thats it for remote.. |
| 06:39.19 | BriareosH | oh you're right peterS. silly me |
| 06:39.22 | BriareosH | thanks :) |
| 06:39.38 | peterS | orestyle5: the putty site includes a 'psftp.exe' program for this purpose, if you know the usual general ftp command line interface this should seem similar |
| 06:40.09 | peterS | BriareosH: mkisofs maintainer asked us to rename it, basically, since we're no longer considering him to be the upstream source. |
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| 06:40.36 | peterS | and 'image' is a better description than 'fs' anyway, 'fs' implies an empty read-write filesystem (: |
| 06:40.42 | orestyle5 | will check it out too . thanks for the recommendations. I always like asking for a recommendation then seeing the reactions. Lets me know right off the bat what people do and dont like.. :) |
| 06:41.10 | peterS | orestyle5: but otoh if you use winscp and are happy with it, there's nothing wrong with that either |
| 06:41.42 | BriareosH | :D thanks, have a good day/night/whatever |
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| 06:42.10 | orestyle5 | ya, it just runs a set of batch files every morning downloading files from state. Windows (I think) but recommended by watchguard... |
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| 06:51.03 | mo1991 | I just upgraded to Etch - fresh install - installled samba and can see the share from my windows machine but see nothing when I go to network:/// in nautilus - any ideas |
| 06:51.05 | mo1991 | ??? |
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| 06:51.52 | cast_ | OT: is it hard to use NFSv3 or v4 in windows? |
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| 06:53.38 | liable | dns trouble. i have a dhcp address from a wireless router, it gives me two nameservers. when i query the nameservers, a different one comes back with the answer, and my box seems to reject it. is this round robin dns or some shit, and how do i fix it? |
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| 06:59.25 | mo1991 | can't see my windows network in ETch either? What packages do I need installed to be able to see a windows or linux samba network in etch? I can't even see my localhost samba server |
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| 07:05.45 | mo1991 | do I need to install smbclient to view samba shares in Etch? |
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| 07:07.58 | Marupa | I believe so, mo1991. |
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| 07:15.04 | mo1991 | Marupa - I have that installed now and still cannot see samba shares in nautilus - can see in windows - and could see them when I used a full Etch install - what packages am I missing? |
| 07:15.51 | Marupa | I'm not sure. I've not used samba in ages. |
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| 07:28.50 | SNow | hello |
| 07:29.01 | SNow | How I could get pgp public key? |
| 07:29.08 | Ilovemypuppy | im having a problem with mplayer playing out to libaa, it seems to be having a problem playing the whole thing and it overlaps/screws up the output, badly. are there kernel options i can use to adjust my console? |
| 07:29.20 | cast_ | SNow: key for what? so apt doesn't complain? |
| 07:29.28 | streuner | SNow: /topic |
| 07:29.29 | Ilovemypuppy | maybe have it boot up so its got more desktop space? |
| 07:29.39 | SNow | pgp public key |
| 07:29.50 | Ilovemypuppy | im using testing |
| 07:29.59 | Ilovemypuppy | and the marillat mplayer |
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| 07:32.34 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: like vga=0x31B? that gets me 1280x1024 |
| 07:32.52 | Sepero | Anyone care to see a website that was recently Cracked? http://www.free-website-polls.com/ |
| 07:32.53 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: libaa is what? an ascii art library? |
| 07:33.01 | SNow | or unrealircd key |
| 07:34.35 | Ilovemypuppy | cast_, yes and thank you |
| 07:35.18 | minerale | this may be a stupid question, but do files get fragmented in ext2/ext3 ? and if they do, does one need to 'defragment' ?' |
| 07:35.27 | Sepero | minerale: No |
| 07:35.35 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: caca works good for me, it's got color though. |
| 07:35.48 | Ilovemypuppy | i dont like the caca, it looks like caca |
| 07:36.29 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: set vga= something and you can play a movie properly without starting x, too :> |
| 07:36.36 | Sepero | minerale: There is no default defragmenter for Linux. Isn't needed. |
| 07:36.49 | minerale | sepero: well, do files end up being fragmented? |
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| 07:37.37 | Sepero | minerale: Of course files get fragmented, but Linux keeps it to a minimum with intelligent file placement. |
| 07:38.28 | Ilovemypuppy | darn it that didnt help |
| 07:38.35 | Ilovemypuppy | well it sort of did |
| 07:38.46 | Sepero | minerale: If you run "fsck /dev/hdaX" (X being your Linux partition), it will say "X% non-contigiuos". That is how much fragmentation you have. |
| 07:39.03 | Ilovemypuppy | but it looks terrible, flickering a lot and still showing improperly |
| 07:40.56 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: yeah...when you work out how to set the refresh rate tell me |
| 07:41.08 | Ilovemypuppy | its a problem with mplayer |
| 07:41.29 | Ilovemypuppy | itll still chop the bottom off but itll play better if I modprobe nvidiafb |
| 07:41.50 | Ilovemypuppy | cast_, where can I find a list of codes for different modes |
| 07:41.56 | Ilovemypuppy | i dont know the term to google for |
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| 07:43.41 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: it's on the gentoo wiki, it's also in the kernel sources in the Doc folder |
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| 07:44.03 | Ilovemypuppy | im really not happy about this |
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| 07:45.00 | cast_ | is there a reason you can't use x? |
| 07:45.49 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah its a server and I dont want to use a gui on it |
| 07:46.18 | nevyn | that's a pretty good reason |
| 07:46.19 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah it looks good in caca |
| 07:46.25 | nevyn | but... |
| 07:46.36 | nevyn | why are you playing video locally on a server? |
| 07:48.18 | cast_ | i'd just startx and use some video acceleration. |
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| 07:48.37 | cast_ | install ratpoison or something as the wm |
| 07:49.12 | cast_ | i have nfi if you can get hw acceleration when running videos without x. mmm |
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| 07:53.44 | Ilovemypuppy | the refresh rate is fine in AA but its not filling in the screen right |
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| 08:03.28 | Ilovemypuppy | I got it!!! |
| 08:03.34 | Ilovemypuppy | I had to use -quiet |
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| 08:05.51 | Ilovemypuppy | if you use quiet with libaa itll go smooth as silk |
| 08:05.57 | Ilovemypuppy | in console |
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| 08:10.15 | minerale | how can I change the `nice` level of a program after it has started? (ie something simliar to windows' taskmgr->set priority |
| 08:10.23 | iuso | there seems to be a bug in unstable's mplayer package. anyone familiar with it ? |
| 08:10.54 | dondelelcaro | iuso: if people are, there will be a bug filed against the bts. |
| 08:11.01 | Bedo | iuso, what kind of bug? |
| 08:11.10 | iuso | Can't open /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf: No such file or directory at blib/lib/ConfHelper.pm |
| 08:11.30 | iuso | that's where it appears |
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| 08:12.28 | Bedo | minerale, reniced - renice running processes based on regular expressions |
| 08:12.50 | Bedo | iuso, here it works fine, but i'll check what you said |
| 08:14.20 | iuso | here's the complete paste: http://pastebin.ca/270352 |
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| 08:15.55 | sparr | can anyone recommend a linux-oriented hardware review site? i dont care if a mouse has 30 buttons when only 6 of them are actual standard usb_mouse events |
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| 08:17.16 | Ilovemypuppy | cast_, it really improves the caca output too perfect framerate |
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| 08:17.46 | cast_ | LOL |
| 08:17.47 | cast_ | oh. |
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| 08:19.13 | Ilovemypuppy | cast_, try it out, it really imprpves the output of vo aa and caca big time |
| 08:19.20 | zorton | any recomendations for a image viewer that will allow me sort quickly by assigning keys to various folders? |
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| 08:19.37 | zorton | ie: j for junk, n for nebula... |
| 08:19.41 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: i get the problem, mplayer is spitting out to the same terminal you're trying to render to |
| 08:19.46 | cast_ | Ilovemypuppy: but i use x. anyway :> |
| 08:20.06 | Ilovemypuppy | yeah |
| 08:21.31 | iuso | Bedo: btw, why is the package version 3.2.1? mplayer is at 1.0rc1 (mplayerhq.hu) |
| 08:22.43 | Bedo | iuso, i've that version, 1.0-rc1 |
| 08:22.59 | Bedo | iuso, apt-cache policy mplayer |
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| 08:25.10 | iuso | Bedo: oh, i'm sorry: there's a package called mplayer and versioned 3.2.1 in the company's repo... i don't have any idea why. how do i override that to be retrieved from the normal debian repo? |
| 08:25.34 | indraveni | hi, I am using Debian etch and now i installed apache2 |
| 08:25.47 | indraveni | I am not knwoing how to have SSL certificate for this |
| 08:26.14 | Bedo | iuso, try this: aptitude install mplayer=1:1.0-rc1-0.1 |
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| 08:30.26 | iuso | Bedo: still wanted to install the 3.2.1 |
| 08:30.43 | iuso | Bedo: maybe adding something in preferences would help? |
| 08:31.32 | Bedo | iuso, mmm.. That's strange. Just a question: do you really need that repos? |
| 08:31.43 | Bedo | iuso, of course, try aptitude hold package_name |
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| 08:32.54 | iuso | Bedo: yeah i have to keep the repo there for situations where i have to install some company packages |
| 08:33.21 | iuso | Bedo: btw, didn't that aptitude command (install mplayer=1:1.0...) put the real mplayer package on hold? |
| 08:33.23 | mick_linux | i'm trying to cross compile for arm - I'm using etch btw... and i need to get arm-elf-gcc (i'm guessing it is missing due to problems distributing binary toolchains?) - otherwise what package would this be under? Do i need to grab the source toolchain and go from there? i'd appreciate any help (as I'm kind of stuck) :) |
| 08:33.34 | indraveni | hey, can some one tell me how to use make-ssl-cert command |
| 08:33.52 | iuso | Bedo: man aptitude says: "install <package>= Place package on hold' |
| 08:34.53 | Bedo | iuso, it holds the package at the version you want |
| 08:35.53 | mick_linux | indraveni: man makecert |
| 08:36.20 | mick_linux | indraveni: /Example<enter> |
| 08:36.20 | Bedo | iuso, aptitude install mplayer=1:1.0-rc1-0.1 should work. What message you get? |
| 08:36.32 | iuso | Bedo: Bedo now i see my problem. that command gave this: Unable to find a version "1:1.0-rc1-6.0" for the package "mplayer" |
| 08:36.39 | Bedo | mmm |
| 08:36.45 | iuso | Bedo: i changed 0.1 to 6.0 |
| 08:36.54 | Bedo | iuso, ok :) |
| 08:36.56 | indraveni | hello, I need help in using make-ssl-cert |
| 08:37.08 | mick_linux | i use svn for mplayer :) (you really want to wait that long for a release?) |
| 08:37.18 | iuso | i see the prob. :) it's 1.0~ not 1.0- |
| 08:37.28 | Bedo | cut and paste :) |
| 08:37.39 | mick_linux | indraveni: scroll up |
| 08:37.45 | Ilovemypuppy | hooray for me! hooray!!! i figured it out!! |
| 08:37.57 | iuso | but what... still doesn't work |
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| 08:38.36 | iuso | pfffrt... bad hair day for me. NOT 1.0~rc1-6.0, 1.0~rc1-6 |
| 08:38.44 | indraveni | mick_linux, I I checked man, but when I am using its not asking me for any details where I enter company details |
| 08:38.59 | RvGaTe | good morning freenode |
| 08:39.09 | Bedo | iuso, try cut and paste, you'll love it :) |
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| 08:39.17 | JohnDoh | hi my dmesg is full of lines like __alloc_pages: 3-order allocation failed (gfp=0x20/0) does any one know what can cause this or how i fix it? |
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| 08:39.43 | iuso | Bedo: i know what you mean :) |
| 08:39.44 | mick_linux | indraveni: -in |
| 08:39.49 | RvGaTe | !seen mc_ |
| 08:39.49 | dpkg | mc_ <n=mc@91.84.12.83> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9d 18h 14m 9s ago, saying: 'RvGaTe, yes fine. how will you enable me. do you want an email addr?'. |
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| 08:42.24 | dimir | Moin. |
| 08:42.44 | RvGaTe | itchi, another day without windows :D ! |
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| 08:43.18 | Tidus | congrats RvGaTe |
| 08:43.46 | RvGaTe | Tidus, thx, im loving it... especially with xfce :) |
| 08:43.48 | mick_linux | JohnDoh: what kernel? |
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| 08:44.17 | sparr | im looking at a nvidia 7300 for the first video card in my new machine |
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| 08:44.26 | mick_linux | JohnDoh: i remember that there was something w/ usb and 2.4 that did that |
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| 08:44.40 | Tidus | RvGaTe: which release? sarge etch or sid? |
| 08:44.48 | RvGaTe | Tidus, etch |
| 08:44.51 | Tidus | cool |
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| 08:44.55 | mick_linux | JohnDoh: might just want to try googling about it as i don't remember specifics |
| 08:44.56 | JohnDoh | ok thanks, i think its 2.6 |
| 08:44.59 | Tidus | i have an etch machine set up as a testing web server |
| 08:45.11 | mick_linux | JohnDoh: uname -a |
| 08:45.15 | JohnDoh | i have been trying that cant find much thats helpfi; |
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| 08:45.37 | JohnDoh | ah it is 2.4 |
| 08:45.47 | JohnDoh | is there any way i can fix it without rebooting? |
| 08:45.56 | Bedo | iuso, it works now? |
| 08:46.09 | berkes | I have a server on wich debian does not really wantto install right. I suspect one of the HDDs is broken. |
| 08:46.23 | berkes | Does anyone know a tool to check for hardware errors of disks? |
| 08:46.32 | mick_linux | JohnDoh: like i said, it might be something with the usb driver (i don't remember specifics), any reason for using a 2.4 kernel? |
| 08:46.37 | wols | berkes: smartmontools |
| 08:46.37 | Tidus | JohnDoh: if you install a new kernel, you will need to reboot it to boot into the new kernel |
| 08:46.56 | Tidus | so that's out... |
| 08:46.57 | berkes | wols: thanks |
| 08:47.38 | mick_linux | JohnDoh: i bet this is a server ;) - wait till it is after hours and people won't be affected as much and do a quick reboot |
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| 08:49.10 | JohnDoh | haha yea it is :p |
| 08:49.19 | Tidus | mick_linux: and even then... i've rebooted a slackware webserver i used to have with mysql and php stuffs (had an active phpBB community on it... some 250k mysql records) and it took less than 5 minutes to reboot |
| 08:49.31 | berkes | wols: is that available on the initial ramdisk when installing debian? |
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| 08:52.23 | iuso | Bedo: it does, thanks |
| 08:53.06 | Bedo | iuso, you-re welcome :) |
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| 08:53.28 | RvGaTe | cant beleave this, some guy at oftc messages (pm) me and asked if we could be friends and chatmates... then asking me adresses of girls... |
| 08:53.38 | madman215 | hello |
| 08:54.19 | RvGaTe | hi |
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| 08:55.12 | Tidus | lol RvGaTe |
| 08:55.32 | RvGaTe | very lonely i guess |
| 08:55.38 | Tidus | must be... |
| 08:55.40 | madman215 | how are you? |
| 08:55.40 | dpkg | mas o menos, madman215 |
| 08:55.42 | cast_ | RvGaTe: so...about those addresses |
| 08:55.52 | RvGaTe | cast_, what email should i send it to? :P |
| 08:56.05 | madman215 | what does that mean? |
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| 08:56.44 | RvGaTe | madman215, you new around here aren't you? |
| 08:57.08 | dom_cyrus | can someone say me if kernel 2.4 is supporting NCQ on 3ware sata raid? |
| 08:57.12 | Tidus | madman215: it means 'more or less ok' |
| 08:57.31 | madman215 | not extreamely new, but fairly new, why? |
| 08:57.51 | RvGaTe | madman215, just wondering |
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| 08:58.45 | wols | RvGaTe: just tell him you're female :) |
| 08:59.20 | RvGaTe | wols, i explained him i'm not a dating agency |
| 08:59.38 | cast_ | 'Linux does not support NCQ as of version 2.6.18. Experimental patches exist that add support for some chipsets.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Command_Queuing |
| 08:59.41 | cast_ | hmm |
| 08:59.41 | wols | bah. with people like this, you shoul dhave some fun |
| 08:59.44 | RvGaTe | wols, then he kept spamming me like: PLS PLS PLS PLS, give me the adresses !! PLS PLS PLS |
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| 09:00.01 | RvGaTe | wols, i was actually forced to block him.. :P |
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| 09:00.45 | madman215 | i have recived help here before, but tis is maybe the second time i have come just to hang out |
| 09:00.57 | bokey | RvGaTe, these are bots AFAIK. just ignore it. |
| 09:01.03 | {c} | pretty late |
| 09:01.27 | rutski | How should I go about recursively fetching every file and folder from a given FTP URL? (note that I'm constrained to a CLI) |
| 09:01.47 | RvGaTe | bokey, could be... but he replied human on a very long sentince about not to message me etc |
| 09:01.51 | bokey | rutski, wget -A*.you_extension -r is your friend. |
| 09:02.15 | bokey | RvGaTe, maybe a neatly designed bot ? |
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| 09:03.15 | rutski | bokey: hmm, accept/reject lists, neat. Won't "wget -A* |
| 09:03.17 | rutski | " do the trick? |
| 09:03.38 | bokey | rutski, that'll download everything. |
| 09:03.48 | madman215 | aww its 4am that means a&e is now an "educational" channel |
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| 09:04.22 | rutski | madman215: Spike and TNT usually get good at night :) |
| 09:07.47 | madman215 | rutski, spike= girls gone wild (good but not good as info-mertials) and TNT is the same forensic show i have seen a million times by now, the dvr in the living room has a lot of good shit on it, but the wife wont let me try to hack it for fear of me breaking it again |
| 09:08.00 | rutski | lol |
| 09:08.06 | rutski | how about Sci-Fi |
| 09:08.12 | rutski | they usually have big X-Files marathons on |
| 09:08.29 | rutski | and then there's the sports channels, this late there is ALWAYS a poker game on somewhere |
| 09:08.39 | madman215 | haha |
| 09:08.41 | rutski | madman215: you play? |
| 09:09.31 | madman215 | rutski, play poker? yes but not very often, because its not very well |
| 09:09.59 | rutski | madman215: heh, yea; it's a tough game to beat |
| 09:10.20 | rutski | you've got to read, study, and practice a lot; just like with anything else I suppose |
| 09:10.28 | rutski | I'm going to go take a much needed shower, afk for a bit |
| 09:11.03 | madman215 | rutski, peace easy homie, haha |
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| 09:11.29 | madman215 | rutski, bed time for me i supose |
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| 09:11.55 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 09:12.01 | Mazingaro | is there anyone using adept? |
| 09:12.02 | madman215 | hi |
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| 09:15.00 | wols | !info adpet |
| 09:15.02 | wols | !info adept |
| 09:15.26 | wols | doesn't seem to be in debian |
| 09:15.30 | wols | so how could we use it? |
| 09:16.28 | Bedo | wols, sure it is |
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| 09:22.32 | Ilovemypuppy | im so happy with etch, so far everything works wonderfully |
| 09:23.06 | plutonas | Mazingaro: i cant find it either. what is it doing exactly? |
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| 09:25.32 | Ilovemypuppy | imho you ought to change some of the default files "the apache default" and make etch stable |
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| 09:27.07 | badcfe | anyone knows what gs driver to use for "epson stylus photo 1290" ? epsonc and stcolor seems to be quite sub-optimal for this model. |
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| 09:29.56 | Mazingaro | plutonas: ? |
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| 09:30.32 | plutonas | Mazingaro: what "?" ? |
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| 09:31.19 | Mazingaro | plutonas> Mazingaro: i cant find it either. what is it doing exactly? |
| 09:32.24 | plutonas | < Mazingaro> is there anyone using adept? |
| 09:32.27 | plutonas | it was about adept |
| 09:32.31 | Mazingaro | ah ok |
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| 09:32.45 | Mazingaro | it won't tell me when there are updates |
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| 09:35.31 | havran | hi |
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| 09:37.35 | iuso | where can i get .ram support for mplayer in unstable? it doesn't seem to play realmedia |
| 09:38.23 | iuso | here's the link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/features/divide_zero_report.ram |
| 09:40.55 | cast_ | iuso: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etc... perhaps |
| 09:43.07 | cydork | iuso: do you have w32codecs? i think it has that.. |
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| 09:45.17 | Mazingaro | kernel-2.6.18-3-k7 won't work with my console settings :) |
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| 09:46.56 | ski | what does 'autoclean' in 'lsmod' mean ? |
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| 09:48.05 | iuso | cydork: that might be it, i'll take a look |
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| 09:48.54 | iuso | cydork: except that i can't find a package by that name. i have even the non-free branch selected |
| 09:48.56 | Spliffster | good morning room. i have a couple of sarge installations in my internal network. installing/updating packages means that every single installation will download the packages again. would it be possible to use /var/cache/apt as an nfs share from one machine to be mounted on all others or would this cause problems ? |
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| 09:49.42 | petemc | !apt-proxy |
| 09:49.42 | dpkg | it has been said that apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. |
| 09:49.48 | SlayerXP | Spliffster: only AOL have rooms, we're stuck with channels here |
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| 09:50.03 | SlayerXP | damn you, freenode |
| 09:50.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | dpkg and "it has been said"... I've gotten sick of that. :P |
| 09:50.17 | Spliffster | SlayerXP: awww ... my german irc client calls it rooms and so do i since 95 ... i am very sorry |
| 09:50.29 | cydork | iuso: do you debian-multimedia.org in your sources.list? |
| 09:51.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Mazingaro: I've got the same exact kernel. Maybe you could use my kernel debs? (You'll probably need to change some things though...) |
| 09:51.08 | Spliffster | petemc: thank you for the hint, will try it ... now that you mention it ... i might just use a squid for that purpose |
| 09:51.31 | Mazingaro | Dark_Apostrophe: uh? |
| 09:51.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Mazingaro: No wait... 2.6.18-3-k7. I've got 2.6.18.3-k7. Never mind. |
| 09:51.43 | Mazingaro | Dark_Apostrophe: I downloaded it from repository |
| 09:51.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I built my own. |
| 09:52.01 | Mazingaro | Dark_Apostrophe: :) |
| 09:52.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Vanilla kernels rock. :) |
| 09:52.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | (Vanilla itself doesn't - I prefer chocolate. :P) |
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| 09:53.29 | Spliffster | heh |
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| 09:55.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: I used Gentoo and I liked it (well..the things that didn't crash anyway), so smite away. :) |
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| 09:56.13 | Spliffster | hehe ... and those 24 hours compile sessions for a couple of tools were just so amazing :P |
| 09:56.25 | Spliffster | (an a 486 :P) |
| 09:56.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | It took me a week to get it running the first time. |
| 09:56.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | You see, I wasn't a big fan of reading the handbook. |
| 09:56.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 09:57.18 | cydork | !gentoosmite Dark_Apostrophe |
| 09:57.22 | Spliffster | heh ... who is. if everything fails .. .rtfm |
| 09:57.29 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: you asked for it :P |
| 09:57.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | cydork: Thanks. :) |
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| 09:58.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Spliffster: I had made such a mess that I couldn't fix it myself so someone from #gentoo did it via SSH. lol |
| 09:58.12 | Spliffster | :) |
| 09:58.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | RTFM didn't help a lot after I decided to try doing it without it at first. |
| 09:59.15 | Spliffster | well, portage is a really nice idea ... i got used (and started to love it) from BSD systems .... however, the bsd systems are usually distributed binary and some addons are compiled from the ports tree. this is what i missed with gentoo .. a binary base system. |
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| 10:02.49 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 10:02.49 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
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| 10:14.22 | liable | i am getting a lease from a dhcpd, it gives me two dns servers, when I do a lookup, it asks those two servers, but gets a reply from a third (which my box rejects) wtf is the proper way to get this to work. i have put the third server in resolv.conf and it works, but obviously this isnt the right way it should work.. |
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| 10:19.48 | ^rob^ | helloo |
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| 10:20.09 | ^rob^ | kdebase is messed up?? |
| 10:20.15 | liable | prolly |
| 10:20.47 | ^rob^ | Preparing to replace kdebase-data 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-1 (using .../kdebase-data_4%3a3.5.5a.dfsg.1-2_all.deb)... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-data_4%3a3.5.5a.dfsg.1-2_all.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 10:20.57 | ^rob^ | should i use another repo/ |
| 10:21.00 | ^rob^ | ?? |
| 10:21.09 | wols | liable: why is the 3rd DNS telling you? |
| 10:21.14 | liable | check the bts first, doubt its a repo |
| 10:21.24 | ^rob^ | bts? |
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| 10:21.30 | wols | if your DNS server needs to ask another it's supposeed to ask and then relay the answer to you |
| 10:21.34 | wols | !bts |
| 10:21.34 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:21.45 | ^rob^ | oh - ty |
| 10:23.02 | liable | wols: my box responds, IMCP port unreachable (which is the port that my box asked the original servers on) |
| 10:23.42 | liable | wols: the third server gives the right reply, but my box seems to reject it |
| 10:23.56 | wols | cause it never asked the third anything |
| 10:24.01 | liable | yep |
| 10:24.02 | wols | so why does it know it is asked |
| 10:24.10 | concept10 | is it true that you cant resize a ext3 partition on a running system even if you umount it? |
| 10:24.31 | liable | wols: thats what i was hoping someone here could tell me |
| 10:24.31 | SlayerXP | concept10: no |
| 10:24.55 | wols | only way it could be asked is one of your two servers asking it |
| 10:25.08 | wols | and then replying to you which is wrong. imho dns server misconfig |
| 10:25.09 | liable | wols: as soon as i have just that server in resolv.conf, things are peachy, but the dhcpd doesnt give me that ip |
| 10:25.15 | concept10 | SlayerXP, so this is possible as long as I umount / (i want to increase size from unallocated space) |
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| 10:25.24 | wols | fix your dhcp |
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| 10:25.37 | SlayerXP | concept10: ahhh, no, you can't resize the root partition with the system up |
| 10:25.39 | wols | concept10: unmounting / is kinda hard... |
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| 10:25.45 | liable | wols: its not my dhcpd, its a big wireless network |
| 10:25.55 | wols | liable: tell them to fix it then :) |
| 10:26.12 | concept10 | I guess I will make a new partition then |
| 10:26.15 | wols | concept10: what you could do is remounting it read only, resizing it and then reboot |
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| 10:26.20 | wols | "should" work |
| 10:26.32 | liable | wols: i will, just wanted to see if anyone had a reasonable explanation that i might not have known about |
| 10:27.23 | liable | bbl |
| 10:28.35 | nekostar | hey how do i delete a rule from iptables ? |
| 10:28.56 | poncha | hi. i have a trouble with ssh, it disconnects upon inactivity. i am using securecrt for a client *on the desktop itself*. but to get to the server i have troubles with i need to go through 2 "hops" . (i ssh to some server, then - only from it - i can ssh to an external ip of one server, then i finally ssh over local 192.168.x subnet to the destination server). what do i need to make sure of to make ssh keep the link up? |
| 10:29.59 | petemc | poncha: screen activity, probably |
| 10:30.05 | petemc | run top or some shit |
| 10:30.24 | poncha | petemc, if i'm in the middle of editting file in vim , it throws me too |
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| 10:30.50 | nekostar | !paste |
| 10:30.50 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 10:30.51 | poncha | all the ssh (clients and servers) in the chain except my desktop client are openssh on sarge |
| 10:30.52 | petemc | poncha: ah, that sucks - there are tcpkeepalive options, but they may not help |
| 10:30.59 | wols | then it's not inactivity but something else |
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| 10:31.21 | nekostar | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4740 how do i delete the drop rules from this iptables -L ??? |
| 10:31.21 | wols | run screen on the ssh servre side |
| 10:31.40 | poncha | petemc, if i'm connected directly to the "first" server (to the one i connect directly) then i am alive and all fine when securecrt has send-NOOP enabled .. |
| 10:32.47 | ^rob^ | solv it |
| 10:32.49 | ^rob^ | ;) |
| 10:32.53 | ^rob^ | bye |
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| 10:33.10 | poncha | but i guess some ssh packets are not forwarded during those "long journeys" .. :( |
| 10:33.40 | poncha | is there some setting like "forward ssh packets" in openssh client on linux ? |
| 10:34.06 | cydork | nekostar: iptables -F INPUT |
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| 10:34.27 | cydork | nekostar: man iptables ;) |
| 10:34.38 | poncha | as far as i understand the tcpkeepalive thing it may even make things worse if working over slow link ;) |
| 10:34.45 | nekostar | cydork yeah found it |
| 10:34.56 | nekostar | iptables -D "exact rule goes right here" |
| 10:34.59 | nekostar | sorry :/ |
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| 10:35.18 | nekostar | is there though a way to see the list of ip's that its currently blocking ? |
| 10:35.40 | nekostar | iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --set |
| 10:35.40 | nekostar | iptables -I INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -i eth0 -m state --state NEW -m recent --update --seconds 60 --hitcount 4 -j DROP |
| 10:36.04 | nekostar | those were the two rules i just deleted... i need to unblock the ip's that they were blocking up till now =/ |
| 10:36.34 | cydork | nekostar: no need to .. |
| 10:36.44 | cydork | nekostar: i mean it's done :P |
| 10:36.48 | poncha | nekostar, iptables -L |
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| 10:51.42 | berkes | weird. debian installer (debootstrap) complains that it 'Couldn't dowload login.'. |
| 10:51.48 | nekostar | o.o |
| 10:51.53 | berkes | google gives no hints. Anyone here with a clue? |
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| 10:52.34 | iuso | how can i find out what unstable's mplayer has configured as default codec dir? it's a compile-time flag |
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| 10:54.58 | nekostar | mm |
| 10:55.17 | nekostar | iuso shoudlnt that be in /src/debian/rules |
| 10:55.20 | nekostar | or some such thing? |
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| 10:55.29 | nekostar | also look in readme |
| 10:55.36 | nekostar | and try ./configure --help |
| 10:56.15 | utrrrongeeb | Is it possible to burn a Debian install CD from the DVDs? |
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| 10:56.41 | infernix | berkes: you could try cdebootstrap |
| 10:57.02 | infernix | utrrrongeeb: i dont think so without a debian installation to work with |
| 10:57.28 | berkes | infernix: thanks will do in a sec |
| 10:57.51 | utrrrongeeb | infernix: I have a working installation of Debian, or is that not what you mean? |
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| 10:58.16 | infernix | utrrrongeeb: that is what i mean, lemme see if I can dig up some info on it, been a while |
| 10:58.31 | iuso | nekostar: that's not in the binary package(?) |
| 10:58.45 | nekostar | iuso ah |
| 10:58.50 | nekostar | try man mplayer then |
| 10:59.01 | utrrrongeeb | infernix: There's a package called debian-cd, but I haven't been able to find out how to use it. |
| 10:59.15 | iuso | nekostar: oh, there's /usr/share/mplayer/scripts/binary_codecs.sh |
| 10:59.20 | iuso | nekostar: that oughta help :) |
| 10:59.35 | nekostar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.43 | nekostar | i think thats the one you need |
| 10:59.56 | nekostar | if you install w32codecs it should be fine |
| 11:00.22 | iuso | nekostar: i haven't found w32codecs anywhere. and the binary_codecs.sh script wants a package called mplayer-src, which doesn't exist |
| 11:00.29 | nekostar | lol |
| 11:00.32 | nekostar | !w32codec |
| 11:00.39 | nekostar | !seveas |
| 11:00.43 | infernix | utrrrongeeb: well, have you read the docs? you could grab it from SVN as well, which is recommended here: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/index.en.html#diy |
| 11:00.43 | nekostar | !codec |
| 11:00.59 | infernix | utrrrongeeb: 'cause that's the way to do it, I wouldn't know an easy way otherwise |
| 11:01.20 | infernix | !marillat |
| 11:01.20 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 11:01.26 | infernix | w32codecs is in that repository |
| 11:01.33 | infernix | add it to your sources.list and apt-get install |
| 11:01.58 | nekostar | mm |
| 11:02.08 | iuso | uhh... the script had an option 'install' |
| 11:02.08 | nekostar | yeah thats the one my bad... cood call infernix |
| 11:02.24 | nekostar | there is also a key you need to add for it i believe |
| 11:02.50 | nekostar | mm nope guess not |
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| 11:03.05 | nekostar | hey infernix how is nvidia-glx |
| 11:03.13 | nekostar | is it still really really really broken? |
| 11:03.15 | infernix | i don't know, I dont have one |
| 11:03.22 | nekostar | :/ |
| 11:03.24 | ski | hm, how do i unload a kernal module 'bluez' ? |
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| 11:05.21 | infernix | rmmod |
| 11:05.28 | ski | isn't that unsafe ? |
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| 11:05.52 | ski | # lsmod | grep l2cap |
| 11:05.52 | ski | l2cap 13040 1 (autoclean) |
| 11:05.52 | ski | bluez 24580 1 [l2cap] |
| 11:06.27 | ski | i thought 'autoclean' would mean that just 'modprobe -r' would remove it .. but no |
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| 11:06.59 | cydork | !rmmod |
| 11:06.59 | dpkg | from memory, rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 11:07.18 | sopues | anyone here a guru with saslauthd? :) |
| 11:07.20 | ski | (it says 'Device or resource busy' for both, when i try to use 'modprobe -r' on each) |
| 11:07.27 | rhalff | hi what would be a good server monitor application ? |
| 11:07.47 | rhalff | no hassle professional and for free :) |
| 11:08.14 | nekostar | lol |
| 11:08.19 | nekostar | what do you wanna monitor |
| 11:08.44 | nekostar | nothing like just hardening the thing and reading log after log after log : |
| 11:08.46 | nekostar | :> |
| 11:08.55 | rhalff | nekostar, like disk space, hanging processes, too much cpu, weird stuff :) |
| 11:09.13 | nekostar | mmm |
| 11:09.27 | nekostar | the first and third i think mrtg or cactus would do |
| 11:09.27 | ski | cydork : i loaded a bluetooth device, but i've already done 'hciconfic hci0 down','modprobe -r hci_usb','modprobe -r rfcomm' .. any idea ? |
| 11:09.30 | rhalff | things that are normally only noticed when the server crashed :p |
| 11:09.31 | nekostar | not sure on the hanging processes |
| 11:09.57 | cydork | ski: use -v to check if it gives anything more |
| 11:10.02 | rhalff | yeah a lot can be hacked, I thought maybe there is something common |
| 11:10.11 | rhalff | +ly used |
| 11:10.23 | ski | cydork : with 'modprobe -r' you mean ? |
| 11:10.27 | cydork | ski: yes |
| 11:10.28 | nekostar | mm well take a good look at cactus it might have what you need |
| 11:10.58 | rhalff | ok thanks nekostar |
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| 11:12.33 | ski | cydork : nope .. |
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| 11:14.30 | ski | hm |
| 11:14.31 | nekostar | rhalff sorry i dont have more |
| 11:14.46 | nekostar | also another way to 'cheat' though i'll probably get roasted for mentioning it |
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| 11:14.58 | nekostar | is check ubuntuforums.org and steal that proggie from debian's lineup |
| 11:15.00 | rhalff | ah allready searching for more, cactus seems kinda ancient |
| 11:15.05 | ski | doesn't the '1's in 'lsmod' mean both modules are used by some other module ? |
| 11:15.55 | cydork | ski: your bluez is used by l2cap and l2cap by something else. |
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| 11:16.18 | cydork | rhalff: what kind of monitoring you are looking for? |
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| 11:16.37 | ski | cydork : but lsmod doesn't say which other module uses 'l2cap '.. |
| 11:16.52 | rhalff | cydork, just to ensure quality of service :) right now, it's ohw. was the disk full ? |
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| 11:17.04 | rhalff | and things like that |
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| 11:18.13 | cydork | rhalff: you know about nagios? or monit? |
| 11:18.33 | rhalff | ah just found monit, and someone said nagios wasn't all that, didn't look to it myself though |
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| 11:20.20 | rhalff | cydork, monit also has reporting ? |
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| 11:28.36 | me_here | i get a lot of segfault's when i do upgrade with apt-get or aptitude |
| 11:28.52 | me_here | what maybe the problem ? |
| 11:29.39 | me_here | i mean apt-get itself segfaults, but seems to download first some files |
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| 11:31.52 | phogg | me_here: strace it |
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| 11:34.24 | me_here | phogg: i'm doing it just a mom. |
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| 11:35.29 | berkes | infernix: cdebootstrap is not found :/ |
| 11:35.39 | infernix | berkes: apt-get install it |
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| 11:36.02 | berkes | infernix: eeehm. I am installing debian... there is no apt-get yet :) |
| 11:36.03 | infernix | sopues: whats the saslauthd question? |
| 11:36.32 | infernix | berkes: ah right. well, debootstrap has given me some headaches as well. from where are you debootstrapping? a debian installation cd? |
| 11:37.00 | berkes | yes. A netinstall. I /am/ not bootstrapping. I just get an error from the installer. |
| 11:37.18 | infernix | rhalff: look at cacti and jffnms |
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| 11:37.40 | berkes | the installer tells me it "couldn't download login' while installing base system |
| 11:37.40 | infernix | rhalff: there's also opennms but its not as trivial as jffnms |
| 11:37.53 | benderz0r | oh good god who made this out right viral nvidia tls loader for debian? how the hell do I get the filth off my system! |
| 11:38.01 | infernix | berkes: what install cd? sarge or etch? have you tried a different mirror yet? |
| 11:38.04 | rhalff | infernix, ah thanks I will, monit looked nice also though. |
| 11:38.13 | benderz0r | even removing every package related isn't enough...it's worse than the damn nvidia installer |
| 11:38.23 | infernix | rhalff: i'm quite pleased with jffnms and have been for a few years now |
| 11:38.33 | berkes | infernix: hmm. I'll have to see if I can choose another mirror. Lemme try. sec. |
| 11:38.42 | infernix | me_here: segfaults on just about anything indicate faulty hardware |
| 11:39.42 | berkes | deb downloads packages over usual ports, not? |
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| 11:40.01 | cobol | Anyone in here know cobol? |
| 11:40.44 | sardu | hello, I have a bash script that needs to edit /etc/fstab, mount a file system, and restart apache2. That script is called from an unprivilieged user (myuser), so I would need root privileges to make the changes coded in the script. What I'm doing is to shange de owner of the script to root, add SUID to the script, set myuser groups to the script, and add +x to the group. When I log with myuser and try to execute that script, it starts its execution, but when it |
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| 11:41.34 | infernix | berkes: yep, ftp or http |
| 11:41.55 | infernix | sardu: why not use the 'user' tag in fstab? is it a static entry? |
| 11:42.03 | sardu | yes |
| 11:42.07 | sardu | I use |
| 11:42.17 | sardu | but first I have to add the entry in the /etc/fstab |
| 11:42.25 | sardu | and with a normal user, I cant |
| 11:43.04 | Guerin | sardu: talk to your admin |
| 11:43.30 | Guerin | sardu: or if you have root, that's what you need to be using it for |
| 11:43.39 | sardu | theoricaly, with +s, the script should run with the privileges of the owner, shouldnt it? |
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| 11:44.05 | sardu | Guerin, I'm my unuseful admin :) |
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| 11:44.27 | berkes | infernix: meh. the problem is a corrupt CD :/ |
| 11:44.42 | sardu | but that script is called from a Java application that is not running as root, and mustnt run. |
| 11:44.52 | infernix | sardu: i fail to see the point of editing fstab when you are using setuid root, which is bad in my opinion. furthermore, you should read up about using the 'user' option in fstab so that you do not need root privileges to mount something |
| 11:45.10 | Guerin | yeah, you're going about this all wrong |
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| 11:46.26 | sardu | yes, but I need to do that mount point persistant, so I need to add the entries in the /etc/fstab |
| 11:46.46 | infernix | so, add the 'user' option and mount it as the normal user, and you should be done |
| 11:46.49 | sardu | and with setuid in the script, it fails to write /etc/fstab |
| 11:47.42 | sardu | well, the problem is not the mount, I am also unable to restart apache from the script with setuid |
| 11:47.53 | sardu | (13)Permission denied: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 |
| 11:48.22 | infernix | sardu: the script is rwsrwx--- and owned by root? |
| 11:48.34 | sardu | It seems setuid root does not work. |
| 11:48.49 | sardu | -rwsrwxr-x 1 root pxc 3039 2006-12-06 00:43 addvdomain |
| 11:49.04 | infernix | I use sudo for that, not a setuid script |
| 11:49.09 | sardu | uhm |
| 11:49.12 | sardu | interesting |
| 11:49.13 | infernix | apt-get install sudo; man sudo |
| 11:49.13 | sardu | yes |
| 11:49.31 | sardu | I have not thought with sudo |
| 11:49.48 | sardu | thanks |
| 11:49.53 | sardu | I will take a look |
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| 11:49.59 | sardu | ;) |
| 11:50.19 | RvGaTe | My colleague wants to install a GUI on a server, can someone tell him why this is a bad thing to do? (he is reading this chat aswell) |
| 11:50.28 | sardu | but my setuid root system is not working correctl yet... hehe |
| 11:50.46 | SlayerXP | RvGaTe: "I'm the sysadmin, the answer is no" should be sufficient. |
| 11:50.58 | Mazingaro | RvGaTe: because X offers several services on the ner (open ports) |
| 11:51.16 | Mazingaro | RvGaTe: alas X may be blinded with a firewall |
| 11:51.32 | infernix | RvGaTe: wasted RAM and CPU cycles. |
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| 11:51.57 | Guerin | RvGaTe: the doctrine of minimal force |
| 11:51.58 | infernix | it's not so much a bad thing, but it's pointless since it's rarely ever useful to have a GUI running allt he time |
| 11:52.07 | Mazingaro | RvGaTe: not so much at all, graphic interface may be of some use for less experienced people/users |
| 11:52.24 | Guerin | RvGaTe: a fancy way of saying what infernix said, but with the added caveat 'more code means more vulnerability' |
| 11:52.42 | Mazingaro | infernix: yes, but maybe for newbie... |
| 11:52.50 | infernix | newbies shouldnt run servers |
| 11:52.51 | infernix | :) |
| 11:52.55 | Guerin | Mazingaro: newbies have no business administering servers. |
| 11:53.06 | Guerin | infernix: damn your typistry! |
| 11:53.11 | Guerin | !beer infernix |
| 11:53.23 | infernix | hey come on, its only 1 PM, no beer yet |
| 11:53.45 | Guerin | 'tis 0056 here |
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| 11:56.41 | infernix | i lost, unfortunately |
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| 11:57.35 | RvGaTe | lol, this is what my colleague has to say: "What a bunch of bullshit those newbies have to say" hahaha, made me laugh :P... |
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| 11:57.53 | infernix | couldn't get NAT portforwarding to work over the non-default-route interfaces, even though I had rules for all tables and normal TCP/IP (non-nat) worked fien |
| 11:57.59 | RvGaTe | anyway, he is convinced... |
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| 11:58.25 | Degenerate | Greetings all |
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| 11:58.37 | infernix | RvGaTe: if your colleague must, use something really small like fluxbox or ion |
| 11:58.58 | RvGaTe | SlayerXP, Mazingaro, infernix, Guerin, thx all for your comment :) (now im forced to grab a new pc and install linux as a workstation) |
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| 12:00.09 | RvGaTe | in case you didn't notice, this company runs on windows for 99%.... the 1% being a debian server wich i installed :P and everyone is to scared to touch/manage it :D |
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| 12:00.30 | Degenerate | Can anyone help me with advice on shared configurations? |
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| 12:01.23 | infernix | RvGaTe: well, i read that the latest xandros is nice for business workstations. you could try that on the desktop |
| 12:01.29 | infernix | Degenerate: just ask |
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| 12:02.22 | lilalinux | how do I get the sources of a particular kernel? simply apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-3-vserver-k7? |
| 12:02.39 | Degenerate | Here's my problem: I have two workstations with similar (but not identical) hardware, and the same amount of storage |
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| 12:03.08 | Degenerate | I want them to back each other up via rsync |
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| 12:04.30 | Degenerate | But I also want to avoid as much as possible having two systems to maintain, update software, customise desktops etc. I want them to share everything possible except the essential unique configuration files. |
| 12:04.39 | infernix | Degenerate: look at unison |
| 12:04.49 | infernix | it's a two-way rsync |
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| 12:05.14 | Degenerate | I have briefly looked at it. |
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| 12:05.43 | Degenerate | the backing up aspect doesn't concern me so much as what can and can't be shared. |
| 12:05.55 | infernix | Degenerate: it'll take some thinking but with some exclusions like /home, /var/run, /var/log, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hostname and so on, I think you can keep two machines in perfect sync |
| 12:06.23 | Degenerate | each system obviosly needs it's own xorg.conf and stuff like that |
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| 12:08.37 | Degenerate | I was contemplating actually mounting some of the directories off / via NFS. The systems will have a very fast interconnect (dual gigabit bonded) |
| 12:09.30 | infernix | well, nfs will bring locking issues |
| 12:09.41 | Degenerate | hmm |
| 12:09.42 | infernix | but it really depends on what software is running on both machines |
| 12:09.53 | infernix | to be more precise, what data the software will alter |
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| 12:10.13 | Degenerate | I've been reading up on the filesystem hierarchy to see what can and cant be shared |
| 12:10.31 | LaMeR_ | debian is beautiful???????? |
| 12:10.38 | Degenerate | like /bin is supposed to be shareable, for example |
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| 12:11.13 | SlayerXP | /bin on an nfs mount? |
| 12:11.28 | SpeedyG | 15 |
| 12:11.31 | LaMeR_ | debian is beautiful???????? |
| 12:11.31 | SlayerXP | that's arguably the most stupid suggestion I've ever seen here. |
| 12:11.32 | LaMeR_ | debian is beautiful???????? |
| 12:11.32 | Degenerate | yep |
| 12:11.33 | LaMeR_ | debian is beautiful???????? |
| 12:11.46 | Degenerate | it's possible |
| 12:11.53 | infernix | LaMeR_: please stop that. |
| 12:11.53 | SlayerXP | and you're up against some tough competition |
| 12:11.59 | LaMeR_ | df |
| 12:12.00 | LaMeR_ | ds |
| 12:12.00 | LaMeR_ | dsfds |
| 12:12.00 | LaMeR_ | ds |
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| 12:12.10 | LaMeR_ | ddcdadd |
| 12:12.11 | infernix | !ops LaMeR_ is spamming cluelessly, please assist |
| 12:12.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: infernix complains about: LaMeR_ is spamming cluelessly, please assist |
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| 12:12.56 | sardu | ou yes, sudo is great infernix :D |
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| 12:13.58 | infernix | sardu: if set up right, you can restrict a user to only run the commands as root that you've specified in sudoers, without a password |
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| 12:14.25 | Degenerate | I know that sharing /bin and stuff like that sounds crazy, but bear in mind that the interconnect will be quicker than a lot of hard drives (although latency could be an issue) |
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| 12:14.48 | infernix | Degenerate: excuse me? you think NFS over GBit is faster than direct hard drive access? |
| 12:15.13 | AmGull | how i can change forever locale and LANG on my debian ? |
| 12:15.17 | infernix | Degenerate: do you have a NAS box with an 8 drive raid 10 configuration or something? |
| 12:15.28 | infernix | AmGull: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:15.34 | Degenerate | in data transfer terms, theoretically the hardware is capable. Maybe you're going to tell me that NFS slows it down though? |
| 12:16.08 | infernix | Degenerate: if you have 2 boxes, and they both have single IDE, SCSI or SATA disks, then surely NFS will not be faster as direct disk access |
| 12:16.20 | Degenerate | this is dual bonded gig ethernet I'm talking about |
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| 12:16.51 | infernix | Degenerate: you can use 10Gbit Ethernet for all I care, as long as you're talking to an NFS server with one single disk, that's not going to be faster than local disk access |
| 12:17.03 | Degenerate | it has multiple disks |
| 12:17.46 | infernix | Degenerate: i thought you said the machines have the same amount of storage. one is a raid 10? |
| 12:18.03 | pfote | following problem: i have to change to location of a lib in a deb package, so in the prerm i remove the lib, then the package installs the lib into correct location, then in the postinst i execute ldconfig and then a little test program that checks if the lib is working .. and that test program fails, it cant find the lib. if i execute ldconfig after the install, everything is fine. what am i doing wrong? |
| 12:18.07 | Degenerate | It's obviously not going to be faster as it's limited by the disk transfer at the server side anyway, I'm just saying that the network connection won't necessarily be a bottleneck |
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| 12:18.36 | Mazingaro | Degenerate: gigabit or optical? |
| 12:18.37 | Degenerate | they're raid 0 both ends |
| 12:18.52 | infernix | Degenerate: if they are both raid 0, how is one faster than the other? |
| 12:18.57 | Degenerate | gigabit copper x2 |
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| 12:19.11 | Degenerate | I didn't say one was faster. |
| 12:19.46 | infernix | Degenerate: then what you say doesn't make sense. NFS will be slower than direct disk access if in both cases the storage is equally fast. |
| 12:20.03 | Trewas | Degenerate: the point is that /bin must be available pretty much always for the system to be able to do anything, for example mount(8) lives there |
| 12:20.23 | infernix | Degenerate: furthermore, if both are raid 0, you should really not use NFS because you'll want the data redundancy of having the data on both machines at all times |
| 12:20.25 | Degenerate | Arrgh! I'm trying to say that the connection is fast enough, not that it's any better than local |
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| 12:20.45 | sts | hello folks |
| 12:20.58 | sts | why does apt-get install build-essentials not work? |
| 12:21.40 | infernix | Degenerate: you're missing the point that over NFS you'll have protocol and IP overhead, and secondly just because the connection is fast enough doesnt mean you'll get high speed data transfers |
| 12:21.55 | infernix | sts: what's the error? |
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| 12:22.15 | Degenerate | How big is the overhead? This is the whole point of me asking. I'm trying to determine the best way. |
| 12:22.34 | infernix | Degenerate: believe me when I say that it's not that good, but you can test it with bonnie. |
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| 12:22.49 | sts | infernix: E: Couldn't find package build-essentials |
| 12:22.51 | infernix | Degenerate: also take into consideration the generated CPU usage on the NFS server. |
| 12:23.05 | infernix | sts: drop the 's' at the end, iirc. should be build-essential |
| 12:23.38 | sts | infernix: thanks, that worked... |
| 12:24.21 | infernix | Degenerate: either way, if both are raid 0 I would never use NFS but instead opt for data redundancy by keeping all data synced on the two machines, so that if one of the disks crash I could build a new raid 0 array and synchronize |
| 12:24.45 | me_here | how comes that patch files on the internet i see are written in perl then when i get them with apt they are unpacked as bash scripts ?? |
| 12:24.48 | infernix | not that I'd ever run a raid 0, but still:) |
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| 12:25.23 | me_here | are there any conversions taking place automatically ? |
| 12:25.33 | Degenerate | I know raid 0 is risky, but I like the performance and the two machines cover tha backup angle |
| 12:26.59 | Degenerate | So say I take the other route... two completely independant systems, one syched to the other via rsync... will I not have problems with rync overwriting system files while the system is running? |
| 12:29.01 | Degenerate | note: I was still proposing to backup all the system dirs even with the NFS share idea. it's just that the backup system wouldn't actaully have been running of those local copies |
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| 12:33.32 | infernix | you can overwrite pretty much all files while the system runs |
| 12:33.44 | infernix | you might have to restart services afterwards though |
| 12:34.01 | Degenerate | hmmm |
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| 12:37.05 | Degenerate | so I guess I just need to identify the essential system directories/files that I don't want to overwrite? Like local net config, x config etc. |
| 12:37.56 | Degenerate | other than those I could simply sync from the "master" to the "slave" system |
| 12:38.54 | Degenerate | the architecture is amd64 on both systems so all the binaries should run fine |
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| 12:41.13 | infernix | well you can do master/slave with rsync, or use unison for a two-way sync |
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| 12:41.29 | possie | hi |
| 12:41.55 | Degenerate | I think a one-way sync is all I want. |
| 12:42.58 | infernix | Degenerate: rsync -r -u -l --links -p -o -g -D -t --delete --delete-during -e 'ssh -c arcfour' --exclude-from='/root/rsync.exclude' -z --stats --progress / slave.server.ip:/ |
| 12:43.19 | petemc | very succinct |
| 12:44.08 | Degenerate | what about user accounts. If rsync has root privileges, could I let it overwrite /etc/passwd to keep them in sync? |
| 12:44.13 | infernix | yep |
| 12:44.16 | Degenerate | that is useful, thanks |
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| 12:45.15 | Degenerate | it seems less problematic than I thought. I'm too used to windows, which would throw a fit if you tried anything like this |
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| 12:46.04 | infernix | in my case, rsync.exclude includes /tmp, /proc, /sys, /dev, /var/lib/dhcp3/, /var/log, /var/run and /etc/network/interfaces. but you'll need more as I am synchronizing completely identical systems (including stuff like hostname) |
| 12:46.22 | Degenerate | hmmm |
| 12:47.18 | Degenerate | I need to read up some more on the FHS |
| 12:48.14 | Lakez | anyone know of a way to deal with spam after it's already on a server? I've got 35GB of spams and probably 200MB of real emails.. anyone know how to post-process it? |
| 12:48.22 | infernix | Degenerate: oh, you'll want to drop the '-z' as well, you don't need any compression |
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| 12:49.06 | infernix | Lakez: as inside mbox files in /var/spool/mail/? or in the sendmail mqueue? or in courier Maildir folders? |
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| 12:49.47 | Lakez | maildir folders... from postfix |
| 12:49.54 | Lakez | /usr/local/virtual/<email/new |
| 12:49.59 | Lakez | /usr/local/virtual/<email>/new |
| 12:50.23 | Lakez | ex: 1165518336.V805I26065eM35039.domain.com |
| 12:50.37 | infernix | oh, sorry, I know nothing about postfix and its mail hierarchy |
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| 12:51.36 | infernix | you should probably ask them in #postfix |
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| 12:55.04 | liable | !test |
| 12:55.04 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 12:56.13 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 12:56.15 | Mazingaro | please |
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| 12:56.27 | Mazingaro | how can I do remote logging with syslog??? |
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| 12:57.31 | Degenerate | Another, completely unrelated question: does anyone know of a linux equivalent of Windows "Background Intelligent Transfer System" |
| 12:57.46 | infernix | Mazingaro: hm, i'd use syslog-ng for that. check the man page and the docs |
| 12:57.59 | Mazingaro | infernix: I'm using standard debian syslog |
| 12:58.07 | infernix | Mazingaro: apt-get install syslog-ng |
| 12:58.21 | Mazingaro | inc|freaky: doing that right now |
| 12:58.26 | infernix | Degenerate: BITS? what's that do |
| 12:58.26 | Mazingaro | infernix: : doing that right now |
| 12:58.43 | Mazingaro | infernix: should I remove old syslog? |
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| 12:58.53 | infernix | Mazingaro: installing -ng will do that for you |
| 12:59.05 | Mazingaro | infernix: ok |
| 12:59.36 | Mazingaro | infernix: klogd and syslogd gone forever! :) |
| 13:00.00 | Degenerate | it donwloads in the background, using small packets and a traffic control algorythm that is supposed to use idle bandwith and avoid slowing down the user's net experience |
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| 13:00.11 | Degenerate | it's used for windows update |
| 13:00.30 | Degenerate | but available as a service to other programs too |
| 13:01.27 | infernix | Degenerate: you have a 2GBit connection and you want to use idle bandwidth only?:) |
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| 13:01.41 | Degenerate | lol, nothing to do with that |
| 13:01.46 | infernix | oh |
| 13:01.57 | infernix | then for what, apt-get upgrades? |
| 13:02.50 | Degenerate | No, it's an idea I'm working on for a website/ebusiness |
| 13:02.59 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm currently backing up some of my data on a CD, which I plan to hand over to a friend, so I always got an emergency backup somewhere else. Unfortunately it contains data for my eyes only - is it possible to create an encrypted ZIP file or similar ? |
| 13:03.29 | Degenerate | It needs to serve up files to a lot of users over the internet without impacting their normal use |
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| 13:04.06 | infernix | Degenerate: i guess any kind of closed/private (or perhaps even public) p2p network with a client that supports bandwith limits would work |
| 13:04.30 | infernix | Jemt: look at truecrypt |
| 13:04.36 | Degenerate | hmmm yeah maybe |
| 13:04.39 | Jemt | infernix: Thanks, will do :) |
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| 13:06.09 | Degenerate | Ideally I need a BITS cerver extension for apache and a linux client. If I was more competent I'd write one. |
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| 13:06.43 | liable_ | yikes, i need to cross my legs, sit on the floor, and hold my tongue at the right angle to get a wireless connection.. |
| 13:06.47 | Degenerate | I have to support windows clients for obvious reasons, want to support linux too |
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| 13:07.06 | infernix | liable: don't do it for too long at a time, you might get stuck |
| 13:07.34 | infernix | Degenerate: what's wrong with using bittorrent for it? |
| 13:07.37 | Degenerate | I could just use wget/curl for the linux one, but the background downloading would be better. |
| 13:07.59 | liable_ | infernix: dont worry, i will get pissed off with it before i get stuck :) |
| 13:08.02 | Degenerate | bittorrent isn't suitable, it's many different files to different users. |
| 13:08.32 | Degenerate | and bittorrent is hardly kind to the client's bandwidth. |
| 13:08.49 | infernix | Degenerate: well you could go over the "file sharing" section of sourceforge. direct connect comes to mind in your case |
| 13:10.35 | Degenerate | yeah, I'll take a look. I'm a moderately competent windows coder, just finding my feet in linux. I could possibly write something myself if I found a useful library to use. |
| 13:10.53 | Degenerate | it's the only way to learn, after all. |
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| 13:17.12 | Mazingaro | infernix: ok, done! And now? |
| 13:17.26 | iacopop | does exist a debian database (postgres/mysql) that contains debian packages, o almost info about that like in the packages.gz file? |
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| 13:18.43 | liable | iacopop: that contains debian packages?? |
| 13:18.56 | iacopop | yes, info about debian packages |
| 13:19.08 | iacopop | like that there are in packages.gz in repos |
| 13:19.24 | sep | iacopop, you can not use the apt database ? |
| 13:19.53 | iacopop | where does apt search? in a file o database? |
| 13:20.04 | infernix | Mazingaro: you'll have to check the docs in /usr/share/doc/syslog-ng/ for the exact specification, but basically on one server you tell it to listen with a 'source { udp(); };' line in the config file, and on the other you tell it to send it to the listening server with a 'destination udp("ip.of.other.server"); };' line. i believe there's examples in the documentation as well. |
| 13:20.27 | Mazingaro | infernix: ok, thanks |
| 13:20.28 | Azar | apt-cache search "package" ? |
| 13:20.33 | infernix | iacopop: in files |
| 13:20.56 | iacopop | i want a db |
| 13:21.12 | infernix | iacopop: why? |
| 13:21.28 | iacopop | i have to do query in my app |
| 13:22.19 | Azar | iacopop: there is a README file in /usr/share/doc/aptitude maybe that one help? |
| 13:22.33 | iacopop | i check, thanks |
| 13:22.34 | sep | iacopop, why can't your app use the apt tools |
| 13:22.37 | Azar | ... if you have aptitude installed |
| 13:23.01 | sep | iacopop, and the database files are in /var/lib/apt/lists look there indexed. but i dont think you can do sql against it :P |
| 13:23.05 | infernix | iacopop: i dont think it's in any database, except maybe at http://packages.debian.org |
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| 13:25.33 | liable | well, the available file |
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| 13:29.48 | eSa| | anyone using apt-cacher in there? I was wondering if that proggy is able to serve the same package if a request is made to a mirror of a repository |
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| 13:31.26 | Azar | eSa|: apt will only look for packages on the repositories corresponding to your Debian version. |
| 13:31.37 | Bklyn | hrm, squid3 currently broken in unstable? |
| 13:31.53 | Azar | most things break in unstable |
| 13:32.11 | Bklyn | I wouldn't say "most" |
| 13:32.23 | Ronin | all? |
| 13:32.32 | Azar | :) |
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| 13:35.21 | omar | Hi guys, I need some help , I am tryingt to mount a folder between debians but i get this error "mount: RPC: Authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error)" |
| 13:36.36 | Bklyn | are you running portmapper and mountd on the server? |
| 13:37.30 | Bklyn | "showmount -e <server>" from the client machine should show exported filesystems |
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| 13:39.24 | edubezval | hello guys, does someone know what I should do when a linux-image package reports: "Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool" when I try to install it? |
| 13:39.26 | omar | yes, I got the line when I use showmount -e |
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| 13:39.38 | omar | in the server |
| 13:40.53 | omar | but in the client : "mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered" when I use showmount |
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| 13:42.25 | Bklyn | sounds like portmap isn't running |
| 13:42.30 | Bklyn | you need it on the client boxes as well |
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| 13:44.17 | liable | edubezval: err, a suitable ramdisk generator should be a depends of the kernel-image |
| 13:44.29 | infernix | edubezval: perhaps apt-get install initrd-tools initramfs-tools |
| 13:44.51 | edubezval | infernix: but I already have this packages installed :( |
| 13:45.14 | liable | check the bts then |
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| 13:45.38 | liable | edubezval: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 13:46.31 | edubezval | liable: |
| 13:46.32 | edubezval | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:46.32 | edubezval | ii libc6-dev 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea |
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| 13:47.41 | niru | I am able to come up with installable cd with gnome packages |
| 13:47.58 | niru | but while trying with kde packages those are not getting installed |
| 13:48.06 | niru | may I know why |
| 13:48.59 | liable | edubezval: what kernel version are you trying to install? |
| 13:49.16 | edubezval | 2.6.17 |
| 13:50.02 | liable | edubezval: hrm, thats been out a while.. have you checked the bts? paste your apt output to a pastebot |
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| 13:51.39 | niru | liable:for getting kde desktop which package I need to install |
| 13:51.41 | niru | liable:for getting kde desktop which package I need to install |
| 13:52.14 | niru | liable:for getting kde desktop which package I need to install |
| 13:52.18 | liable | niru: kde-core |
| 13:52.22 | Ronin | once is enough niru :) |
| 13:52.26 | liable | niru: stop repeating! |
| 13:52.44 | niru | liable:I am sorry :) |
| 13:52.45 | liable | niru: if you want the whole shebang, install 'kde' |
| 13:53.14 | niru | from the pool how is it going to take |
| 13:53.16 | niru | liable |
| 13:53.35 | liable | niru: oh, you only have a cd? |
| 13:53.37 | niru | liable:I did not find a specific kde folder |
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| 13:53.49 | liable | niru: apt-get install kde-core |
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| 13:54.03 | niru | liable:that will install over my system |
| 13:54.12 | niru | liable:I want for cd |
| 13:54.24 | liable | eh? |
| 13:54.38 | niru | I mean in cd pool directory I found all kde packages except kde |
| 13:54.55 | liable | niru: it wont install over your system, i am not sure what you are talking about |
| 13:55.14 | liable | niru: dont look in the cd, just use apt-get |
| 13:55.47 | niru | liable:I want to have an installable cd with kde packages |
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| 13:56.06 | niru | liable:So what matters if kde-core is installed in my system or not |
| 13:56.21 | franki | hello, i've an old Maildir which is in the Maildir++ format, does anyone know how to convert this into a Maildir format? |
| 13:56.28 | niru | liable:it should be available in my installable cd creation reposir\tory |
| 13:56.33 | liable | niru: most of (or possibly all of kde) should be on is01 |
| 13:56.42 | liable | iso1 |
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| 13:57.15 | liable | niru: your english isnt so good, and i am not really understanding what you want |
| 13:57.54 | Ronin | are they building thier own fork of debian? |
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| 14:01.40 | niru | liable:I want to have a debian based installable cd with only kde packages |
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| 14:01.50 | niru | liable:Thats what I want |
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| 14:02.44 | rgsteele_ | niru: Why don't you do a barebones install and then just install the kde packages yourself? |
| 14:03.23 | rgsteele | niru: Alternatively, you could set up FAI to do it all for you if you want something automated. |
| 14:05.06 | Lakez | is there a way to associate IO to pids? Which PID's are creating the most IO |
| 14:05.08 | liable | niru: oh, i dont know how to do that. |
| 14:05.31 | liable | niru: but what rgsteele suggested is going to be a whole lot easier |
| 14:05.32 | franki | is anyone using cyrus imap server? maybe i could ask for maildir format |
| 14:05.37 | cydork | niru: check debian-cd package. it can be used to create custom install cds.. |
| 14:05.45 | edubezval | liable: here is my apt-get output: http://paste.debian.net/17978 |
| 14:05.46 | omar | but in the client : "mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered" when I use showmount |
| 14:06.17 | liable | edubezval: sorry dude, i am going to bed right now, but someone will take a look. good luck |
| 14:06.37 | rgsteele | edubezval: If I could read spanish, maybe I could help you |
| 14:06.37 | edubezval | liable: thanks a lot!!!! |
| 14:06.44 | infernix | is there like a grapical version of less? I'm trying to view a huge textfile (600MB) in X, and gvim just chokes on it |
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| 14:07.39 | edubezval | rgsteele: the main output is Failed to find suitable ramdisk generation tool for kernel version 2.6.17-10-386... |
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| 14:08.07 | infernix | edubezval: remove linux-image-2.6.17-10-386, then install the tools, then reinstall the kernel |
| 14:08.09 | edubezval | rgsteele: (sorry about the messages in portuguese) |
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| 14:08.30 | edubezval | infernix: I'll try it! thanks! |
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| 14:09.02 | me_here | alsamixer -> alsamier -> alsmeier -> alsaimer -> allesimeimer |
| 14:09.08 | me_here | butter butter |
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| 14:09.30 | rgsteele | edubezval: You may need to install the cramfs patch |
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| 14:10.10 | Ketju | Greetings. I am having an issue where logcheck, and a few other programs, are reporting "Must be connected to terminal." whether run by a user or in cron. I have made a strace -f avaliable at http://waxman.org/strace.txt (this is of me trying to run /usr/sbin/logcheck). Anybody have any ideas where to look? |
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| 14:10.45 | abrotman | in sarge? |
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| 14:10.59 | Ketju | abrotman: If referring to me, I am running unstable. |
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| 14:11.22 | abrotman | checked the BTS ? |
| 14:11.38 | Ketju | abrotman: BTS? |
| 14:12.01 | Ketju | abrotman: I'd appreciate if you spoke to me like I was mildly slow; because unfortunately when it comes to advanced things I am :) |
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| 14:12.16 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:12.17 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:12.25 | Ketju | Ahhh, yes. I did. |
| 14:12.29 | mlessard | Does OCFS in Etch are stable ? |
| 14:12.31 | Ketju | I found nothing that seemed to match me. |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | but i don't see anything there |
| 14:13.08 | Ketju | I am NOT a newbie to IRC or help channels, I tried myself before wasting other peoples time :) |
| 14:13.17 | streuner_ | mlessard: etch = testing |
| 14:13.25 | abrotman | i don't have a sid box here .. but doe sthe man page list a way around this ? |
| 14:13.28 | streuner_ | mlessard: sarge = STABLE |
| 14:13.32 | Azar | Ketju: are you a beginner with Debian? |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | Ketju: do you have the actual output it gives you ? |
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| 14:13.50 | Ketju | Azar: IF by beginner you mean using it for five years and hosting as a side business, ye s:) |
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| 14:14.00 | cahoot | haha |
| 14:14.10 | Azar | well... I was talking about Debian.. |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | !find nohwcap sid |
| 14:14.14 | Ketju | abrotman: The actual output is a single line of text, and the strace is at the url above. I'll paste the single line: |
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| 14:14.20 | Ketju | Azar: five years. |
| 14:14.24 | mlessard | stray_, i know that, but Etch are near to be ready ... |
| 14:14.27 | abrotman | only five? newbie!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:14.33 | Ketju | dave@earthquake:~$ /usr/sbin/logcheck |
| 14:14.33 | Ketju | Must be connected to a terminal. |
| 14:14.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'nohwcap' returned no results. |
| 14:14.43 | mlessard | streuner_, OCFS are not un SARG |
| 14:14.45 | Azar | :) well nice, good for you Ketju |
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| 14:14.57 | infernix | Ketju: still the same problem?:) |
| 14:15.01 | Ketju | abrotman: I tested it on another SID box I have here, it works fine. |
| 14:15.16 | Ketju | infernix: Yeah, I had to give up yesterday. REal work came into play. |
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| 14:15.21 | indraveni | hello, why in debian etch apache2 package is not generating apache2-ssl-certificate? |
| 14:15.44 | indraveni | now making the ssl support for the apache2 in debian etch is a bit difficult |
| 14:15.58 | infernix | Ketju: you'd help me if you'd show me an strace -f on a working sid box versus the broken sid box |
| 14:16.20 | infernix | Ketju: scheduled in a cron job, of course |
| 14:16.36 | Ketju | infernix: Well, I'd like to get it working outside of cron first. |
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| 14:16.42 | Ketju | AS it's happening on things I don't do in cron |
| 14:16.42 | infernix | Ketju: are you running stock kernels? |
| 14:17.03 | Ketju | infernix: No; but I've not recompiled in .... months and it just stopped about two weeks ago |
| 14:17.24 | Ketju | infernix: Let me see if I can access one of the SID boxes. |
| 14:17.31 | edubezval | rgsteele: what is the cramfs patch and where I can find it!? |
| 14:17.39 | infernix | Ketju: and you're sure you didnt get hacked, e.g. some fool replaced a file that now causes this? |
| 14:18.12 | rgsteele | I'm pretty sure you'll need the cramfsprogs package |
| 14:18.13 | deny[all] | che alguna vez vieron este error? localhost gdmgreeter[5106]: Failed to connect to socket, sleep 1 second and retry |
| 14:18.15 | indraveni | hello, someone please tell me how to make ssl certificate for apache in debian etch |
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| 14:18.27 | indraveni | I used the make-ssl-cert command and tried to make it |
| 14:18.28 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:18.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:18.44 | Ketju | infernix: I can never be 100% sure of that, but I am fairly certain. |
| 14:18.47 | rgsteele | edubezval: But, I've never had this problem myself, so you might try Googling around a little bit |
| 14:18.47 | abrotman | indraveni: apache2-ssl-cert .. or something like that |
| 14:19.00 | abrotman | Ketju: any differences in the conf files ? |
| 14:19.04 | indraveni | but while apache2 restart I am seeing the following error --- |
| 14:19.12 | edubezval | rgsteele: yeah... thanks to point me :) |
| 14:19.16 | indraveni | Forcing reload of web server (apache2)...httpd (no pid file) not running |
| 14:19.16 | indraveni | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:443 |
| 14:19.16 | indraveni | (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:443 |
| 14:19.16 | indraveni | no listening sockets available, shutting down |
| 14:19.16 | indraveni | Unable to open logs |
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| 14:19.19 | Ketju | infernix: http://waxman.org/straceangua.txt should be from a box that I could run it on; but I do not have access to the logfiles or conf so it failed (but it didn't give the same error). |
| 14:19.25 | rgsteele | lol |
| 14:19.31 | Ketju | abrotman: No, no differences in the conf |
| 14:19.32 | infernix | abrotman: yesterday we figured out that Ketju's /dev/tty returns an error; i just don't know why |
| 14:19.33 | Ketju | I checked that. |
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| 14:19.49 | infernix | what was the error again ENOsomething |
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| 14:20.02 | Ketju | ENOX I think |
| 14:20.05 | indraveni | abrotman, there is no command like apache2-ssll--someting |
| 14:20.16 | infernix | Ketju: there! it's not giving that error on the other sid box. do you still have yesterdays strace? |
| 14:20.25 | indraveni | this was there in the previuos releases of debian but etch is modified |
| 14:20.30 | Ketju | infernix: No, but I can remake it. |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | Ketju: that's running as root ? |
| 14:20.51 | Ketju | abrotman: that being? |
| 14:20.57 | abrotman | the logcheck |
| 14:21.07 | abrotman | indraveni: apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 14:21.07 | Ketju | infernix: Do you wish for me to run it by sudo -u logcheck logcheck, or as my default user? |
| 14:21.16 | Ketju | abrotman: There are two strace files out there ATM, which one? |
| 14:21.21 | infernix | Ketju: within cron, with sudo |
| 14:21.24 | abrotman | Ketju: both? either? :) |
| 14:21.33 | infernix | Ketju: the cronned strace output is much cleaner. |
| 14:21.44 | indraveni | abrotman, yes, but that command is not there here, as I am in etch |
| 14:21.55 | Ketju | infernix: Will the cronjob work with sudo; wont it need the password? |
| 14:22.00 | indraveni | abrotman, it was supported by sarge only |
| 14:22.03 | Ketju | abrotman: One is yes. |
| 14:22.17 | infernix | Ketju: change sudoers so that it doesn't need one for testing purposes |
| 14:22.22 | Ketju | infernix: ok |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | Ketju: running it in screen ? |
| 14:23.14 | abrotman | indraveni: i don't have an etch box here .. let me look |
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| 14:23.27 | Ketju | abrotman: No |
| 14:23.29 | indraveni | abrotman, ya please do that |
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| 14:24.43 | abrotman | Ketju: positive ? |
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| 14:26.10 | Ketju | I can't get cron to take this |
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| 14:26.20 | Ketju | abrotman: yeah, I'm pretty sure sitting at the console isn't screen |
| 14:26.33 | abrotman | wtf is old_mmap / |
| 14:26.35 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:26.38 | mlessard | i need to share a filesystem between to host ... which are the best ? |
| 14:26.56 | indraveni | abrotman, did u check it? |
| 14:26.57 | abrotman | nfs/samba/shfs |
| 14:27.01 | abrotman | indraveni: still looking |
| 14:27.02 | indraveni | or busy with something else |
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| 14:27.39 | Ketju | infernix: Am I missing something here, I can't get crontab to take this 09 30 * * * /usr/bin/sudo -u logcheck strace -f -o /tmp/logcheck.txt /usr/sbin/logcheck |
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| 14:28.30 | sobersabre | What's the state of Etch's release ? ( what are the things left to be done ) |
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| 14:29.34 | DoppleGanger | i wish that etch info was in the topic |
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| 14:30.09 | infernix | Ketju: on commandline, does "/usr/bin/sudo -u logcheck strace -f -o /tmp/logcheck.txt /usr/sbin/logcheck" work? |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | indraveni: if not thing else .. there are docs at openssl.org |
| 14:30.33 | sobersabre | I am intending to deploy about 100 workstations to Debian. I am dangling between Etch and Sarge |
| 14:30.49 | SlayerXP | sobersabre: sounds uncomfortable |
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| 14:30.53 | infernix | !etch |
| 14:30.53 | dpkg | from memory, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 14:31.16 | Lakez | Anyone know how to associate IO with like vmstat or iostat to a PID? I'm getting heavy IO and am not sure what's causing it. |
| 14:31.28 | Ketju | infernix: yup |
| 14:31.33 | Ketju | infernix: Reading that logcheck ATM :) |
| 14:31.40 | Ketju | infernix: http://waxman.org/logcheck.txt |
| 14:31.52 | abrotman | indraveni: there's also .. lists.debian.org/debian-apache/ |
| 14:32.25 | infernix | Ketju: it'd help if you'd run it outside of screen |
| 14:32.46 | Ketju | infernix: That time I did run it in screen , let me move to the other side of the room |
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| 14:33.02 | e319 | how can i switch to commandline (run level 2) from kde in the terminal? |
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| 14:33.19 | sobersabre | alt+ctl+f[1-6] |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | 2 is graphical .. if oyu're using debian .. it's the default |
| 14:33.27 | Ketju | infernix: Refresh that |
| 14:33.30 | abrotman | in debian run levels 2-5 are the same |
| 14:33.33 | Ketju | I need to re-arrange this office. |
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| 14:34.03 | RvGaTe | What does the "ddns-update-style" mean with dhcp3-server config file?... |
| 14:34.03 | e319 | hmm so how can i issue a command to get out of the desktop? |
| 14:34.25 | sobersabre | e319 REFER to my previous message. |
| 14:34.34 | abrotman | indraveni: they say you're suppsed to use make-ssl-cert |
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| 14:34.41 | abrotman | indraveni: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian-apache+apache2-ssl-certificate&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 14:34.46 | infernix | Ketju: still too much info, within cron is really the best way |
| 14:34.51 | indraveni | abrotman, I tried even that , |
| 14:34.53 | e319 | also can apt-get remove applications of a certaijn 'type' like remove all games from a system? |
| 14:34.55 | mfroe1 | how can i see installed packages ??? with apt-get ??? |
| 14:35.03 | abrotman | indraveni: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08109.html |
| 14:35.14 | e319 | sobersabre: by command i mean somnething that can be issued from a bash shell script |
| 14:35.18 | Ketju | infernix: Ok, well let me see something. I am going to try to get it to run under su; if it gives the same error I'll have root run it in a cronjob |
| 14:35.19 | j0wbl4ck | pkgtool |
| 14:35.24 | e319 | not keyboard interaction |
| 14:35.24 | Ketju | That should give us a trace we can use. |
| 14:35.28 | infernix | Ketju: perhaps you can simply edit the cron of the logcheck user and put in "09 35 * * * strace -f -o /tmp/logcheck.txt /usr/sbin/logcheck" |
| 14:35.51 | Ketju | infernix: We'll try both :) |
| 14:35.52 | sobersabre | what document shall I read to have my own rsync'ed Debian mirror ? |
| 14:36.10 | indraveni | abrotman, ok i will check them |
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| 14:36.24 | indraveni | abrotman, I need to leave now |
| 14:36.31 | RvGaTe | How can i check what packages are installed by default ? |
| 14:36.37 | indraveni | abrotman, let u know the status tomorrow |
| 14:36.39 | RvGaTe | aka fresh install |
| 14:36.40 | Ketju | infernix: Errors in the crontab, wont let me save it |
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| 14:36.52 | infernix | Ketju: fix your syntax:) |
| 14:37.07 | Ketju | ... if I knew how :) |
| 14:37.09 | j0wbl4ck | well |
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| 14:37.12 | j0wbl4ck | pkgtool |
| 14:37.12 | abrotman | indraveni: okay |
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| 14:37.30 | infernix | Ketju: doh. swap the 09 and 35. |
| 14:37.36 | abrotman | RvGaTe: installed now? or by the installer ? |
| 14:37.37 | infernix | there's 24 hours in a day, not 35. |
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| 14:38.18 | Ketju | duh :) |
| 14:38.25 | Ketju | I did the same thing previously :) |
| 14:38.34 | Ketju | ok, although now it's 38 |
| 14:38.36 | Ketju | let me fix again |
| 14:38.37 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:38.45 | sbup | salut |
| 14:38.52 | infernix | bonjour |
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| 14:39.11 | RvGaTe | abrotman, by the installer... |
| 14:39.24 | sbup | j'essaye d'installer tomcat4 je ne le trouve pas dans la liste des package ... |
| 14:39.29 | infernix | Ketju: the exact same strace output from a box where this error does not occur would be perfect |
| 14:39.30 | infernix | !fr |
| 14:39.31 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:39.41 | sbup | que faire dans ce cas là mettre la liste à jour? |
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| 14:40.19 | infernix | sbup: debian sarge? |
| 14:40.23 | SlayerXP | sbup: parlez vous anglaise ici, merci beaucoup. |
| 14:40.45 | liable | cant sleep :( |
| 14:40.46 | sbup | debian 3.1 |
| 14:40.52 | Ketju | infernix: I don't have that ability ATM |
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| 14:41.11 | infernix | sbup: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, add 'contrib' where it says 'main' |
| 14:41.27 | sbup | ok man tnx |
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| 14:41.42 | infernix | sbup: possibly 'non-free' too, so it reads 'main contrib non-free' |
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| 14:41.58 | Ketju | infernix: http://waxman.org/logcheck/ |
| 14:43.29 | infernix | Ketju: which other cronjobs gave this error? |
| 14:43.36 | infernix | or is it only logcheck |
| 14:43.38 | Ketju | infernix: rules_du_jour |
| 14:44.02 | sbup | infernix add 'main contrib non-free' on this line ? |
| 14:44.02 | sbup | deb http://debian.alternc.org sarge main |
| 14:44.03 | sbup | deb-src http://debian.alternc.org sarge main |
| 14:44.23 | infernix | sbup: change 'main' into 'main contrib non-free', both lines |
| 14:44.37 | sbup | tnx |
| 14:44.38 | infernix | sbup: then, apt-get update; apt-get install tomcat4 |
| 14:44.50 | Ketju | infernix: Getting you an strace of that. |
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| 14:46.00 | infernix | Ketju: without a screen, su - logcheck, then strace, upload that as well (so not through cron), just for completeness sake |
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| 14:46.31 | Ketju | infernix: |
| 14:46.32 | Ketju | infernix: ok |
| 14:48.29 | davis | hello |
| 14:49.15 | Ketju | infernix: Refresh, I also added an strace of rules_du_jour running |
| 14:50.01 | Ketju | However, rules_du_jour DOES run from the command line; logcheck still does not. |
| 14:50.36 | infernix | Ketju: well, it's not what I thought it was. |
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| 14:53.19 | Ketju | infernix: Somebody said it may be a libc issue; but that's beyond me. |
| 14:54.30 | infernix | Ketju: well that's why I asked whether you think this box has been hacked and someone blatantly replaced some library with a hacked one |
| 14:54.54 | DoppleGanger | i hacked once |
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| 14:56.01 | infernix | Ketju: you run irc in a screen, right? |
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| 14:56.27 | Ketju | infernix: Yes. |
| 14:56.45 | Ketju | infernix: I honestly doubt anybody hacked the box, this box is my personal box. |
| 14:56.51 | Ketju | it's not a box I use for business. |
| 14:56.57 | davis | i get an error when I try to install xorg. it fails when it tries to migrate changes from XFree86 to xorg. Any advice? I have tried to remove and purge XFree86 and reinstall xorg but the error persists. |
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| 14:57.28 | liable | davis: and the error is? |
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| 14:57.41 | davis | Can't call method "choices" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line 106, <GEN1> line 118. |
| 14:58.44 | liable | davis: try 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' (chose readline if not already set, or something else if it is) |
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| 14:59.12 | infernix | Ketju: the rulesdujour strace doesn't mention a terminal error |
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| 14:59.36 | davis | liable: same result when i tried to reinstall xorg. |
| 15:00.04 | liable | davis: are you doing sarge->etch or something else? |
| 15:00.23 | davis | upgrading an old unstable to latest X. |
| 15:00.29 | davis | its been about 7 months. |
| 15:00.33 | Ketju | infernix: Go figure, but I got an email from cron last night :) |
| 15:00.59 | Ketju | This is making me want to watch Dell's site for a new box and take this one out with a hammer :) |
| 15:01.10 | infernix | Ketju: did you customize roots bash_profile or bashrc? |
| 15:01.23 | Ketju | infernix: Come to think of it, yes. |
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| 15:01.42 | infernix | Ketju: can you try and undo that and see what happens? |
| 15:01.46 | Ketju | Well, not roots, but the system ones |
| 15:01.52 | infernix | my poitn |
| 15:01.55 | Ketju | root has no bash_profile |
| 15:02.07 | Ketju | and the bashrc is default for root |
| 15:02.23 | liable | davis: uh, if its an old unstable, its way more than 7 months since upgrade, xorg has been out about a year. has everything else upgraded ok? |
| 15:02.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 15:02.28 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 15:02.50 | davis | everything else has upgraded ok. |
| 15:02.54 | infernix | Ketju: right now, the only thing I can think of is that something in those startup scripts mess up the terminal, which would explain why the crontabbed strace is so huge and filled with stuff that shouldnt be there, like screen |
| 15:03.19 | Ketju | infernix: alright ... let me look at them |
| 15:03.24 | infernix | Ketju: if that's not it, well, reinstall or something:) |
| 15:03.34 | limpio | hi all, when i installed Sarge, i installed x-window-system-core. If i install Etch, can i install x-window-system-core or is there another light package with a different name? |
| 15:04.32 | liable | limpio: it should upgrade ok, but 'xorg' is the new meta package for etch/unstable |
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| 15:04.48 | Ketju | infernix: Alright, changed to the default bash stuff |
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| 15:04.57 | liable | davis: so if you purge xfree, and run a dist-upgrade, nothing else upgrades? |
| 15:05.03 | davis | correct |
| 15:05.20 | limpio | liable, thx pal |
| 15:05.45 | Ketju | infernix: logcheck user crontab running in 1 minute, then I'll get you the latest.txt :) |
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| 15:06.33 | liable | davis: i have no clue then, try hitting debconf docs and google |
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| 15:07.33 | Ketju | infernix: IT's up, and the screen stuff is still there. |
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| 15:08.24 | Ketju | I think that may just be because it's what is running on the box currently? |
| 15:08.38 | davis | liable: ok. thanks |
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| 15:09.45 | infernix | Ketju: well, I'm at a loss here. I wouldnt know what else to look at unless I'm logged into it. |
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| 15:09.57 | abchirk | !ops Miss-tURk[off] spam on join (porn sites) blabla is in redhat, asterisk too ;) |
| 15:09.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: Miss-tURk[off] spam on join (porn sites) blabla is in redhat, asterisk too ;) |
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| 15:12.15 | Ketju | infernix: Thanks for your time; again :) |
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| 15:13.39 | infernix | Ketju: you could go to init 1 and run (possibly strace) it there, just to see what happens |
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| 15:16.06 | infernix | anyone know alternatives to less? it's painfully slow when wrapping extremely long text lines |
| 15:16.34 | stew | infernix: more / most / view |
| 15:16.40 | infernix | a pagedown takes 15 seconds right now |
| 15:17.02 | stew | (view is basically readonly vim) |
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| 15:17.35 | infernix | stew: vim can't handle the file, it tries to load it into ram completely and just chokes. its 600mb |
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| 15:19.38 | infernix | most seems capable, but is slow as well |
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| 15:21.43 | chino | what boot system does debian use ? |
| 15:21.51 | rahul | the one you do |
| 15:22.06 | chino | please its early |
| 15:22.14 | rahul | exactly |
| 15:22.14 | chino | lol dont hurt me yet |
| 15:22.18 | rahul | don't play games with us |
| 15:22.18 | dendrite | chino: GRUB. |
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| 15:22.25 | chino | hm |
| 15:22.31 | chino | i meant for processes |
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| 15:22.36 | chino | system v is one |
| 15:22.38 | dendrite | chino: But LILO is available. |
| 15:22.47 | chino | init system perhaps i should say |
| 15:22.49 | dendrite | chino: sysv |
| 15:22.58 | rahul | sysv is the normal one, but it can be replaced |
| 15:23.02 | dendrite | chino: But a parallel init is in the works... |
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| 15:23.04 | cydork | chino: you mean initsripts? |
| 15:23.05 | rahul | if you do replace it, you're kind of on your own |
| 15:23.10 | chino | yes |
| 15:23.14 | cydork | chino: there is file-rc |
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| 15:23.22 | nightfreak | exit |
| 15:23.27 | chino | k thanks was just wondering for arguments sake |
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| 15:24.23 | cydork | huh? he left. |
| 15:24.29 | cydork | oh well.. |
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| 15:26.03 | godzirra | heya folks. Can anyone help me with an email issue I'm having? I |
| 15:26.14 | petemc | just ask |
| 15:26.23 | wols | no, cause we're not psychic |
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| 15:26.48 | godzirra | heya folks. Can anyone help me with an email issue I'm having? I'm hosting a website on a box, but the email for that site is NOT hosted no that box. When I have a script send out emails from a CGI, it sends out ok (it gets to my gmail address) but it doesn't get to the addresses from the domain I'm hosting. |
| 15:26.56 | godzirra | petemc & wols: I hit enter by accident ;p |
| 15:27.34 | rgsteele | Is there any way to check out what addresses a box has been arping for? I don't think iptables have been set up on the box...it's actually behind another hardware firewall |
| 15:28.05 | wols | have yous et the MX properly? |
| 15:28.05 | petemc | godzirra: what do the logs of the sending host say? |
| 15:28.22 | rahul | rgsteele: "arp" will list the ones it's gotten |
| 15:28.38 | rahul | rgsteele: otherwise, I guess you could use ethereal |
| 15:28.54 | godzirra | wols: I have no control over the MX I don't think, but I know the DNS settings have not changed, to my knowledge... |
| 15:29.05 | rgsteele | Yeah, I did an arp but I'm not seeing the MAC address I'm looking for in the arp table |
| 15:29.09 | godzirra | petemc: one sec, let me get a paste. |
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| 15:29.21 | rahul | godzirra: what if you send mail to those addresses from outside that box? |
| 15:29.24 | wols | no. your host without mailserver needs to have its MX record set to the mailserver which actually handles your mail |
| 15:29.27 | rgsteele | Thanks rahul, I guess I'll start up tethereal on the box |
| 15:29.29 | godzirra | rahul: it works fine. |
| 15:29.40 | rahul | godzirra: what does /etc/mailname say? |
| 15:29.48 | wols | from what you said, incoming mail doesn't work but outgoing does? |
| 15:29.56 | godzirra | no... |
| 15:29.56 | rahul | godzirra: that's what it uses to see if the mail is local, I think |
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| 15:30.08 | godzirra | I have box A. Box a is domain.com. Box b handles mail for domain.com. |
| 15:30.22 | godzirra | If I send mail to domain.com from Box A, it never gets to the email address. |
| 15:30.27 | godzirra | If I send it from anywhere outside box a, it does. |
| 15:30.37 | godzirra | rahul: It isnt the domain name thats having issues :) |
| 15:30.44 | rahul | sounds like /etc/mailname on A is set to domain.com |
| 15:30.46 | godzirra | wols: the host without the mailserver doesn't run dns on its box. |
| 15:30.49 | godzirra | rahul: It isnt. |
| 15:30.53 | godzirra | rahul: I just checked: ) |
| 15:30.58 | rahul | strange. |
| 15:31.04 | wols | and if you send mail to gmail.com from box A it works? |
| 15:31.12 | godzirra | Yes. |
| 15:31.20 | wols | how does box a send mail? ssmtp? |
| 15:32.20 | godzirra | wols: nothing was setup except the default debian exim. |
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| 15:32.36 | rahul | dpkg-reconfigure exim and see if you messed up by accident |
| 15:32.37 | wols | then configure that properly to use a smarthost |
| 15:32.42 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.43 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.46 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.48 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.50 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.52 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.52 | rahul | he doesn't need a smarthost realy |
| 15:32.54 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.56 | godzirra | This works fine: mail godzirra@gmail.com -s "test message" |
| 15:32.57 | rahul | sigh. |
| 15:32.58 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.00 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.03 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.04 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.06 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.08 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.10 | bartek94 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.14 | godzirra | This does not : mail godzirra@hosteddomain.com -s "test message" |
| 15:33.19 | rahul | bartek94: yo mama so fat, she don't fit in this irc channel |
| 15:33.22 | wols | !ops could you please remove the spammer? |
| 15:33.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: wols complains about: could you please remove the spammer |
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| 15:33.39 | bartek94 | nie mowie po angielsku |
| 15:33.53 | Ronin | !pl |
| 15:33.53 | dpkg | pl is probably sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
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| 15:34.12 | Ronin | would help if it was in polish i suspect |
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| 15:34.35 | godzirra | So why would mailing to gmail.com from the command line work, but to hosteddomain.com not? |
| 15:35.06 | wols | cause exim sees that it's local and tries to handle it itself which fails cause it should be sent elsewhere |
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| 15:35.14 | godzirra | how does exim see that its local? |
| 15:35.14 | Netsnipe | flooding's stopped? |
| 15:35.18 | Netsnipe | anyone have a hostmask? |
| 15:35.21 | DerJamster | yep |
| 15:35.22 | wols | it probably ends up in /var/spool/mail/godzirra |
| 15:35.25 | rahul | bartek94 [n=djdjfgjh@bju114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian |
| 15:35.27 | abrotman | --> bartek94 (n=djdjfgjh@bju114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #debian |
| 15:35.29 | wols | 15:29 -!- bartek94 [n=djdjfgjh@bju114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #debian |
| 15:35.33 | azeem | heya Netsnipe |
| 15:35.36 | rahul | heh |
| 15:35.47 | rahul | abrotman: you again |
| 15:35.51 | abrotman | shut up |
| 15:36.08 | godzirra | wols: It doesnt. |
| 15:36.14 | Netsnipe | crap. cleared my buffer |
| 15:36.17 | Netsnipe | what was it again? |
| 15:36.19 | petemc | godzirra: did i miss you pasting a link to the logs? |
| 15:36.19 | godzirra | wols: there is a /var/spool/mail and its a file that contains one email. |
| 15:36.21 | abrotman | --> bartek94 (n=djdjfgjh@bju114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) has joined #debian |
| 15:36.37 | godzirra | petemc: no you didnt.. I'm still trying to figure out where itss logging. |
| 15:36.39 | rahul | ah. the student has learned to hate the master |
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| 15:36.43 | godzirra | I thought it was /var/log/mail.log but it isnt. |
| 15:37.00 | wols | godzirra: /var/log/mail.* and /var/log/syslog.* |
| 15:37.19 | petemc | godzirra: exim? /var/log/exim4/mainlog , or whatever exim -bP log_file_path says |
| 15:37.20 | rahul | /var/spool/mail is s directory |
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| 15:37.32 | rahul | I hope. |
| 15:38.12 | godzirra | ahh... I found it. |
| 15:38.15 | rahul | jeez win XP is flaky. |
| 15:38.18 | godzirra | that host thinks we're spammers... wtf. |
| 15:38.22 | godzirra | Its their website the email is coming frmo |
| 15:38.33 | rahul | I need to get this stupid VPN to work in debian once and for all |
| 15:38.34 | godzirra | how do I get my companies IP off of a blacklist site? :/ |
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| 15:38.42 | DerJamster | mail them. |
| 15:38.43 | rahul | stop spamming :P |
| 15:38.45 | wols | depends on the blacklist |
| 15:38.47 | godzirra | rahul: We don't spam. |
| 15:38.53 | petemc | godzirra: you have to speak to whoever runs the blacklist |
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| 15:38.55 | godzirra | rahul: WE have an opt in list where you specifically have to opt in to sign up. |
| 15:38.57 | rahul | that's what they all say :) |
| 15:39.04 | godzirra | and at the bottom of every email is a way to opt out. |
| 15:39.10 | abrotman | godzirra: contact the RBL that blacklisted you |
| 15:39.11 | wols | godzirra: double opt in? |
| 15:39.22 | DerJamster | Check for relays and stuff. |
| 15:39.30 | wols | or can you simply add any mail addy to the list? |
| 15:39.37 | waly | what your think about gentoo |
| 15:39.45 | rahul | waly: we think it's not debian |
| 15:39.47 | wols | waly: that it's OT |
| 15:39.51 | rahul | but we might be wrong :P |
| 15:39.51 | godzirra | wols: Its not double opt in yet. Thats on my long list of stuff to do. |
| 15:39.54 | DerJamster | ask in ##linux |
| 15:39.57 | sts | can anybody help? E: Couldn't find poackage debian-archive-keyringf |
| 15:39.57 | godzirra | wols: its signle opt in |
| 15:40.01 | sts | -f |
| 15:40.10 | abrotman | sts: running etch/sid ? |
| 15:40.17 | sts | abrotman: etch.. |
| 15:40.21 | abrotman | did you run apt-get update ? |
| 15:40.21 | wols | godzirra: put it on the short list. easy to opt in someone else who then report you as spam. instant blacklisting |
| 15:40.28 | sts | abrotman: yes |
| 15:40.36 | DerJamster | did you typo? |
| 15:40.42 | sts | DerJamster: no |
| 15:40.42 | abrotman | sts: apt-cache policy debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:40.46 | sts | oh |
| 15:40.48 | godzirra | wols: Yeah, trying to get that past my boss is the hard part. |
| 15:40.52 | eps | yay its past midnight ...update time! |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | !info debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:40.56 | godzirra | he's not the most.... well... he's definitely a PHB in training sometimes. |
| 15:40.56 | dpkg | debian-archive-keyring: (GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive), section misc, is important. Version: 2006.11.22 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 15:40.56 | sts | debain ... instead of debian ;) |
| 15:41.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:41.16 | wols | godzirra: now you can show him how it gives you real trouble not having double opt in |
| 15:41.33 | eps | abrotman does one file a bug report for a serious issue with a package or send details to the related mailing list? |
| 15:41.39 | godzirra | Yeah, I plan on it. |
| 15:41.46 | godzirra | but I'm making sure its not just badly configured first. |
| 15:41.47 | sts | hm |
| 15:42.14 | sts | it's already at the newest version. why do i still recive this public key error? |
| 15:42.30 | abrotman | eps: bugs.debian.org .. tells you how to file .. i personally use reportbug |
| 15:42.32 | wols | and even if you get yourself off that list for now, you will immediately go back on it since the subscriber which doesn't like you is still subbed and you don't know who it is |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | sts: paste the error |
| 15:42.38 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:42.38 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:42.52 | eps | abrotman righto :) |
| 15:43.09 | waly | I have a question. when a type ps -ef I get proccess like this one: root 13796 3192 0 08:37 ? 00:00:00 ?a?@B0?@? |
| 15:43.31 | waly | root 13796 3192 0 08:37 ? 00:00:00 ?a?@B0?@? |
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| 15:43.44 | sts | abrotman: W: there are no public key available for the following IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 15:43.50 | me_here | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.51 | wols | chinese h4xored your box? |
| 15:44.06 | wols | me_here: speak english much? |
| 15:44.18 | me_here | wols: mucho |
| 15:44.49 | me_here | wols: write not speak lol |
| 15:44.59 | godzirra | ah ha. |
| 15:45.01 | wols | !kik |
| 15:45.03 | wols | !lol |
| 15:45.03 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:45.03 | waly | me_here: what means that proccess |
| 15:45.09 | godzirra | Received: from localhost.localdomain |
| 15:45.12 | helo | lol! |
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| 15:45.26 | wols | waly: gibberish. doesn't mean anything. check if you've been rooted |
| 15:46.02 | DerJamster | With a process like that? Yeah. |
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| 15:46.15 | me_here | waly: can't you kill it ? |
| 15:47.17 | waly | if a kill it then i cant access my server by ssh |
| 15:47.22 | DerJamster | ...er? |
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| 15:47.36 | DerJamster | I have a feeling a hacked ssh is running there :) |
| 15:47.42 | DerJamster | hacked/replacement |
| 15:47.52 | DerJamster | netstat -nlpt | grep -i 22 |
| 15:47.55 | DerJamster | run that |
| 15:48.05 | itchi | s/hacked/cracked/?? |
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| 15:48.12 | sts | yo! what about the key problem? |
| 15:48.13 | godzirra | After updating update-exim4.conf and running it, and then reloading the configuration for exim, I still get that its sending from localhost.localdomain |
| 15:48.15 | waly | yes i think that |
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| 15:48.16 | godzirra | what am I doing wrong? |
| 15:48.26 | wols | sts: see topic |
| 15:48.31 | wuwu | what is the stable version at the moment please |
| 15:48.32 | waly | my server was hack |
| 15:48.38 | DerJamster | itchi: no, a hacked ssh server :) A replacement ssh, with a hacked source. |
| 15:48.43 | sts | wols: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4741 |
| 15:48.50 | sts | wols: $topic doesn't work... |
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| 15:48.59 | itchi | DerJamster: It's been cracked stuff |
| 15:48.59 | waly | in my root directory there is a software called psybnc |
| 15:49.00 | godzirra | anyone have any ideas? |
| 15:49.14 | DerJamster | itchi: I'm not talking about his sshd having been cracked, tho that's a possibility. |
| 15:49.15 | Nibbier | waly, thats an irc bouncer |
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| 15:49.30 | itchi | DerJamster: Maybe, he have hack many to get that stuff cracked |
| 15:49.43 | waly | yes and there is a proccess like ./psybnc |
| 15:49.55 | sts | wols: APT: debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 15:50.04 | DerJamster | waly: yep, somebody broke into your ssh, put their own hacked ssh into the system and started a bnc |
| 15:50.09 | DerJamster | waly: stop the box, and reinstall. |
| 15:50.43 | eps | hehe |
| 15:50.48 | waly | in my message logs there are logs like: oidentd[4808]: [undernet.irc.justedge.net] Successful lookup: 50987 , 6667 : root (root) |
| 15:50.50 | waly | oidentd[4808]: [undernet.irc.justedge.net] Successful lookup: 50987 , 6667 : root (root) |
| 15:51.01 | DerJamster | undernet. No surprise there :) They -always- connect to Undernet. |
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| 15:51.12 | DerJamster | then they connect their bots to hidden/private channels. |
| 15:51.12 | wols | wuwu: sarge 3.1 is currently stable. Soon we all hope etch will be the new stable (1-2 months) |
| 15:51.21 | godzirra | anyone? |
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| 15:51.55 | DerJamster | waly: reinstall and make sure to keep your software up to date, and secure your ssh. allow no direct root login via it, use secure password, or even better, keys. |
| 15:52.11 | sts | what about the APT issue? |
| 15:52.18 | DerJamster | If you run php stuff, make sure you keep them updated, also. |
| 15:52.19 | Nibbier | waly, you could also sniff this connection and see who does what on undernat |
| 15:52.23 | eps | we managed to recover a hacked box at work and put it back into production; as we lacked a hot swappable spare and the cash to really fix the problem (take it offline for a day and do it properly) - it's finally getting refreshed next week so it has lasted three months after being hacked |
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| 15:52.26 | DerJamster | Nibbier: won't help. |
| 15:52.34 | Nibbier | wont help, i'd do it anyways |
| 15:52.43 | DerJamster | Nibbier: they usually use proxies themselves, and use passworded chans. |
| 15:52.46 | Karamon | Hello, is there a utility other than top that can give me a better readout of CPU usage from the CLI? |
| 15:52.54 | sts | abrotman: hello? |
| 15:53.03 | DerJamster | however, if it's a 'bot running on the box, he can get the chan pass :D |
| 15:53.04 | sts | abrotman: still around? |
| 15:53.10 | Nibbier | DerJamster, but the connection is unencrypted via this psybnc |
| 15:53.11 | DerJamster | Did that myself on a honeypot to scare 'em once. |
| 15:53.16 | eps | Karamon explain? a percentage is usually enough |
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| 15:53.29 | DerJamster | Nibbier: yes, I'm just saying that..aside of scaring them a little, you can't do much. |
| 15:53.36 | Karamon | eps: Maybe just a little more readable, I'm not understanding some of the values in top. |
| 15:53.37 | DerJamster | I've tried ;) ISPs don't tend to respond. |
| 15:53.42 | Nibbier | nah, you wont get your box back, thats for sure |
| 15:53.49 | Nibbier | unless u reinstall |
| 15:53.53 | DerJamster | yeah. |
| 15:53.55 | Mooi | Hello, I just got myself a new 1280x1024 resolution LCD. When I start any 3D-using apps (fullscreen), I get this: http://nx.od5.co.uk/153/txt/ |
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| 15:54.11 | eps | Karamon most of them are unimportant and you get used to them reasonably quickly |
| 15:54.17 | Karamon | eps: I have a dual CPU server, and I'm having trouble distinguishing if the usage % is both or 1 of the CPUs |
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| 15:54.31 | eps | Karamon mmm probably both |
| 15:54.40 | xored | is there any way to convert a lot of *.odt files into wiki, wihtout a big Qualitiy loss ? ( pref. batched ) |
| 15:54.57 | Karamon | eps: Is there a utility or readout that would give me usage for each independantly? |
| 15:55.03 | eps | Karamon I suggest you look on freshmeat.net or sourceforge.com as I bet there will be some thing to your liking there :) |
| 15:55.08 | abrotman | sts: moment |
| 15:55.11 | waly | whatis oidentd |
| 15:55.13 | abrotman | oh he left |
| 15:55.22 | wols | waly: identd daemon |
| 15:55.24 | Karamon | eps: Cool, thanks :) I was hoping there was something that I could just snatch off apt-get |
| 15:55.38 | wols | stupid idiocy some irc servers insist on. totally useless |
| 15:55.40 | eps | Karamon to be honest I've never needed to look *wanders off to look* |
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| 15:56.21 | Mooi | anybody got an idea? ^^ |
| 15:56.23 | Karamon | eps: You don't have to do the legwork for me, I just didn't know if there was another accepted utility that gives a larger readout |
| 15:56.27 | eps | Karamon aptitude search cpu and monitor for the list |
| 15:56.41 | Karamon | eps: thanks :) |
| 15:56.42 | eps | Karamon it's okay, I wouldn't mind know the answer myself |
| 15:57.00 | cydork | Karamon: top can show cpu usage for both cpu.. |
| 15:57.13 | schme | Karamon: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-find-out-linux-cpu-utilization.html perhaps |
| 15:57.34 | waly | when is ready the next version of Debian ?? |
| 15:57.45 | eps | waly when it's done |
| 15:57.47 | Ronin | waly: when its done ;) |
| 15:57.57 | waly | sorry .. when its done |
| 15:58.04 | Ronin | it was december but i saw someone say maybe jan now |
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| 15:58.33 | wols | !tell waly about wwer |
| 15:58.37 | Karamon | cydork, schme: Thanks :) |
| 15:59.12 | eps | out of interest is there a topas port for linux? (native is AIX) |
| 15:59.27 | itchi | Karamon: Maybe you need atop?? |
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| 16:00.05 | itchi | Karamon: For top, to see both cpu, press the key '1' |
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| 16:00.36 | Karamon | itchi: Cool, thanks :) Thats basically what I was looking for |
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| 16:00.40 | AmGull | debian way compile kernel |
| 16:00.43 | rgsteele | Hum, so I've got some box/device that claims to have IP address a.b.c.d ...but I can't figure out exactly what that box is. An nmap on it shows all ports filtered, can't bring it up in a web browser, or traceroute to it. The only thing it seems to respond to is pings. And, it's apparently arping out for a.b.c.d |
| 16:00.51 | Karamon | mpstat also tells me in a more readable format fyi |
| 16:01.03 | rgsteele | Any suggestions? |
| 16:01.25 | petemc | rgsteele: nmap -P0 a.b.c.d |
| 16:02.02 | godzirra | Hrm |
| 16:02.15 | godzirra | why does it mail out as shawn@www.domain.com when I mail out from my box? |
| 16:02.21 | godzirra | in exim's config its domain.com |
| 16:02.23 | godzirra | not www.domain.com |
| 16:02.26 | node2 | might want to try -O aswell |
| 16:02.51 | node2 | even with filtered ports the window size and ttls can help identify the os |
| 16:03.03 | rgsteele | petemc: But it is allowing ICMP requests |
| 16:03.10 | rgsteele | That's why I can ping it. |
| 16:03.33 | AmGull | abortman:is dpkg working ? |
| 16:03.36 | abrotman | !hi |
| 16:03.37 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 16:03.49 | abrotman | AmGull: what are you lookign for ? |
| 16:03.52 | rgsteele | abrotman: Abort man, abort! |
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| 16:04.19 | AmGull | abortman:debian way to compile kernel |
| 16:04.22 | abrotman | !tell AmGull about kp |
| 16:04.35 | AmGull | 10x |
| 16:05.00 | rgsteele | 10x? Is that the new 1337 way to say thanks? |
| 16:05.17 | abrotman | !10x |
| 16:05.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, 10x is a l33t way of saying "thank you" |
| 16:05.40 | schme | 42y! |
| 16:05.52 | DerJamster | g r u o k? |
| 16:06.19 | me_here | imok |
| 16:06.36 | DerJamster | k |
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| 16:07.12 | Petaris | Hello |
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| 16:07.41 | Petaris | Is there a way to make apt-cache show more info about packages? |
| 16:07.45 | godzirra | schme: HIT! You sunk my battleship. :( |
| 16:07.57 | Daveman | godzirra :) |
| 16:07.59 | Petaris | sort of like portage does |
| 16:08.10 | cast_ | don't say that word here! |
| 16:08.11 | DerJamster | Petaris: apt-cache show packagename? that shows alot. |
| 16:08.15 | schme | godzirra: :D |
| 16:08.19 | DerJamster | I mean...what else do you need? :) |
| 16:08.22 | godzirra | heya Daveman ;) |
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| 16:08.50 | optraz | hello, i have in.readLine() from a file where this file has a absolute path of a file. how do for each of this file, it match with the files in the hdd to see if 2 exists and equal size? |
| 16:08.52 | Daveman | Howdy :) |
| 16:08.54 | godzirra | So can anyone tell me why emails from my box are coming frmo name@wwww.domain.com? |
| 16:08.54 | Petaris | I mean showing the version in the repo and the version installed (if installed) |
| 16:08.57 | godzirra | instead of name@domain.com? |
| 16:09.01 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 16:09.07 | Daveman | :) |
| 16:09.13 | abrotman | your MUA can also set that |
| 16:09.13 | DerJamster | Petaris: dpkg -l will show installed versions. apt-cache show shows the version in the repo already. |
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| 16:09.44 | Petaris | DerJamster: but no way to do it all at once with one command? |
| 16:10.05 | helo | for some reason, whenever i run /usr/sbin/update-grub, it always puts my root as (hd1,0) even though the actual root device, /dev/hdc1, is my first disk drive and (/dev/hdc) is mapped to (hd0) in devices.map |
| 16:10.24 | wuwi | Hi i would like to apt-get a new version of qemu not in the stable version, how to do it and what is the risk |
| 16:10.38 | DerJamster | Petaris: not that I'm aware of. |
| 16:10.40 | petemc | wuwi: look for a backport, which should be fine to install |
| 16:10.44 | schme | Petaris: If you do it a lot you could write a lil' sh script that does both. |
| 16:10.46 | abrotman | !tell wuwi about bpo |
| 16:11.13 | godzirra | abrotman: MUA is exim, right? |
| 16:11.23 | Petaris | schme: not a bad idea |
| 16:11.23 | petemc | exim is a mta and mda |
| 16:11.25 | wuwi | what the difference between these package and them from the stable version |
| 16:11.26 | godzirra | or exim is a MUA? is more appropriate I guess. |
| 16:11.26 | petemc | not mua |
| 16:11.29 | abrotman | !mua |
| 16:11.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, mua is a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program. |
| 16:11.31 | wuwi | they are less secure |
| 16:11.36 | Petaris | DerJamster: ok, thanks |
| 16:11.37 | godzirra | I'm using "mail" as my MUA |
| 16:11.49 | petemc | why? |
| 16:12.01 | DerJamster | yay mutt. |
| 16:12.04 | petemc | oh, its scripted? |
| 16:12.05 | godzirra | petemc: why? Because I dont send mail from that box manually. I only send it as a respnose from cgi form scripts. |
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| 16:12.09 | godzirra | I'm using mail to test. |
| 16:12.14 | petemc | right ho |
| 16:12.16 | wuwi | abrotman is it secure to download package from backport, or is better to wait for them in the stable |
| 16:12.31 | petemc | wuwi: stable doesnt get "new" packages |
| 16:12.39 | godzirra | petemc: so I'm still not sure why its adding www |
| 16:12.48 | wuwi | petemc because they are insecure? |
| 16:13.08 | wuwi | not secure* |
| 16:13.13 | abrotman | no .. because that's how stable works |
| 16:13.17 | petemc | wuwi: no, thats the way stable works , backports arent inherently insecure, if you need a more recent version, backports ar ethe way to go |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 16:13.17 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
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| 16:13.33 | petemc | godzirra: exim -bP qualify_domain |
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| 16:14.12 | helo | dpkg: stable is like those barriers that keep dumb animals from hurting themselves |
| 16:14.13 | dpkg | ...but stable is already something else... |
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| 16:14.36 | godzirra | petemc: the actual words qualify_domain? |
| 16:14.47 | petemc | yes |
| 16:15.10 | godzirra | I dont have an "exim" command |
| 16:15.11 | godzirra | apparently |
| 16:15.12 | petemc | exim4 |
| 16:15.23 | wuwi | ok thanks, and i suppose there is some dependency problem using this way, or the package downloaded from backport need newer version of some program installed |
| 16:15.35 | petemc | wuwi: /msg dpkg backport |
| 16:15.41 | abrotman | read the instructions at backports.org |
| 16:15.41 | godzirra | the qualify domain is listed as www.domain.com |
| 16:15.47 | petemc | godzirra: so thats why |
| 16:15.48 | godzirra | but I changed it in the exim config? How do I change it there as well |
| 16:15.59 | petemc | godzirra: how did you change it? |
| 16:16.11 | godzirra | I edited update-exim4.conf and ran it |
| 16:16.16 | godzirra | then reloaded exim |
| 16:16.38 | infernix | !sid evangelism |
| 16:16.38 | dpkg | methinks sid evangelism is Sure, run Sid all you like - do as you please - just don't advise inexperienced users to run unstable as their main debian install. If you do, you get to help them exclusively, and #debian gets to curse your name for ever more. |
| 16:16.45 | petemc | godzirra: it would appear your methods didnt take, you'll need to research why |
| 16:16.49 | Karamon | What is the command to adjust time? :) |
| 16:16.50 | infernix | hehehe |
| 16:16.51 | godzirra | It would appear so. |
| 16:17.19 | Ronin | Karamon: tzconfig |
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| 16:17.31 | Karamon | Ronin: System time, not time zone data :) |
| 16:17.35 | Ronin | ahh |
| 16:17.42 | DerJamster | Karamon: date |
| 16:17.51 | Karamon | Thanks :) |
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| 16:18.27 | godzirra | petemc: Yeah I tried stopping and starting again to check, and a grep -r domain * in /etc/exim only returns domain.com, not www.domain.com |
| 16:18.34 | petemc | grep qualify /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated |
| 16:18.49 | godzirra | qualify_domain = DC_visiblename |
| 16:18.49 | petemc | exim4 -bV shows you where the config file is |
| 16:18.59 | helo | is there some scp syntax that allows a copy from one external host to another from a 3rd party? |
| 16:19.04 | godzirra | ah |
| 16:19.28 | petemc | godzirra: i dont use debians method of configuring exim, but theres a few steps involved, did you run update-exim4.conf after editing? |
| 16:19.33 | godzirra | Yes |
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| 16:20.10 | infernix | if i set the MAILTO parameter in a users crontab, it'll mail errors to that address only, right? |
| 16:20.17 | wuwi | is there a backports website for package compiled on ppc |
| 16:20.48 | infernix | wuwi: probably not, but you could always build from sources from backports.org |
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| 16:21.25 | wuwi | ok thanks, i do not see any qemu package |
| 16:21.44 | infernix | qemu on ppc might be a different story |
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| 16:22.20 | wuwi | i have qemu but 0.6.2 version |
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| 16:23.19 | bkhl | What's the difference between pptp and pptp-linux, and which should I use? |
| 16:23.43 | helo | the sort by size perl script output doesn't seem to change after packages are removed... is there something that needs to be done to update /var/lib/dpkg/available? |
| 16:24.08 | DerJamster | why does removing packages from the system change the amount of available packages? :) |
| 16:24.34 | godzirra | damnit. |
| 16:24.42 | godzirra | petemc: I can't see where the heck www.domain.com is coming from |
| 16:24.43 | helo | i was under the impression that the sort by size script was supposed to show installed packages only] |
| 16:25.06 | petemc | godzirra: DC_visiblename , it would appear |
| 16:25.14 | godzirra | petemc: yes, but where does DC_visiblename come frmo? |
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| 16:25.25 | petemc | godzirra: i told you i dont use debians exim config |
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| 16:25.42 | asdf_ | How do you spell repor, as in He and I have a repor, and understanding"? |
| 16:25.43 | godzirra | damnit. |
| 16:25.44 | petemc | godzirra: theres a wiki, and plenty of documentation supplied with the package |
| 16:25.47 | godzirra | ok, thanks for the help. |
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| 16:25.52 | godzirra | I know, and i've been reading it. |
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| 16:26.07 | petemc | godzirra: theres a debian exim mailing list too |
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| 16:37.03 | helo | why is Used + Avail from df -h not equal (or even very close) to Size? |
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| 16:37.19 | petemc | space reserved for root perhaps |
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| 16:38.41 | helo | is it safe to reduce the reserved space with tune2fs? |
| 16:39.25 | petemc | kinda |
| 16:39.29 | petemc | its useful to have it there |
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| 16:40.19 | helo | hmm... actually there are no root reserved blocks... there are filesystem reserved blocks apparently |
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| 16:41.53 | abrotman | only root can use them though |
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| 16:42.33 | scylax | hi |
| 16:42.35 | helo | tune2fs -l /dev/hdc shows 0 blocks reserved for root, but "Reserved block count" is 24899... is it safe to reduce the reserved block count to 0? this filesystem shouldn't be changing very much |
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| 16:42.51 | scylax | how can i configure the mail command so it will use another SMTP server? |
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| 16:43.07 | multi_io | how get I obtain a list of all installed packages? |
| 16:43.13 | multi_io | s/get/can/ |
| 16:43.27 | centrx | dpkg -L |
| 16:43.36 | centrx | it might be dpkg -l |
| 16:43.41 | centrx | I forget which |
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| 16:43.51 | multi_io | dpkg -l '*' | grep '^hi' doesn't show them all |
| 16:43.51 | dpkg | ii '*' | grep '^hi' doesn't show them all 1.1-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:44.14 | centrx | take out the star |
| 16:44.20 | abrotman | !installed |
| 16:44.20 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 16:44.38 | multi_io | it apparently only shows packages that are in some package list on one of the apt servers |
| 16:44.45 | centrx | should just be dpkg -l and then your gre |
| 16:44.51 | centrx | dpkg should show installed packages, it is separate from apt |
| 16:44.51 | dpkg | centrx: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:44.59 | centrx | dpkg keep it down over there! |
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| 16:46.21 | multi_io | ahh, ii |
| 16:46.27 | multi_io | thanks abrotman |
| 16:46.32 | multi_io | I was mistaken :) |
| 16:47.24 | itchi | centrx: dpkg is a bot |
| 16:47.46 | centrx | I know |
| 16:47.53 | itchi | centrx: oh ok ;-) |
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| 16:50.17 | Fokker680 | hi everyone |
| 16:50.21 | Hoxzer | Hi you |
| 16:50.24 | Fokker680 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.29 | Hoxzer | Fokker680: have you been having love lately? |
| 16:50.50 | sts | does anybody know a working PGP server? |
| 16:50.51 | Fokker680 | ..how come? |
| 16:50.56 | me_here | lol |
| 16:51.01 | abrotman | sts: ? |
| 16:51.05 | Hoxzer | Fokker680: well, if you have, have you been strokin? |
| 16:51.11 | sts | abrotman: subkeys.pgp.net doesn't work |
| 16:51.11 | Hoxzer | you have to stroke when you make love babe |
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| 16:51.16 | abrotman | Hoxzer: stop already |
| 16:51.21 | abrotman | damn well should |
| 16:51.28 | Hoxzer | http://harblsink.ytmnd.com/ |
| 16:51.32 | abrotman | !ops Hoxzer |
| 16:51.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: Hoxzer |
| 16:51.50 | Hoxzer | :/ |
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| 16:52.13 | abrotman | azeem: thank you |
| 16:52.32 | sts | abrotman: i need to get the damn key for debian etch |
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| 16:53.18 | scylax | hi. how can i configure /usr/bin/mail so it uses a SMTP server which is installed in another machine? |
| 16:53.18 | itchi | sts: Look to /topic?? |
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| 16:53.44 | sts | itchi: ! |
| 16:53.47 | sts | itchi: i did! |
| 16:53.58 | itchi | sts: Yeah, sorry, i have not follow the whole story about it |
| 16:53.59 | sts | itchi: but the sugested pgp server is not working |
| 16:55.26 | helo | dpkg: reserved disk space is important on your root filesystem, but it's probably safe to reduce it with tune2fs -m PERCENT on other partitions |
| 16:55.27 | dpkg | okay, helo |
| 16:55.36 | sts | is there any other site which hosts the debian key? doesn't have to be a pgp server... |
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| 16:55.45 | itchi | sts: Here the pgp server looks to work |
| 16:55.49 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 16:56.24 | sts | itchi: but it doesn't work over here. ;-) |
| 16:56.29 | yos87 | I have question, Does all HP Laptops Compatible with Debian? |
| 16:56.32 | itchi | sts: Work this http://keyserv.nic-se.se:11371/#extract ? |
| 16:56.39 | sts | no |
| 16:56.49 | sts | :11371 is closed by a firewall |
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| 16:56.57 | illution___ | hi |
| 16:57.01 | yos87 | hi |
| 16:57.09 | itchi | sts: hhhm, let it pass |
| 16:57.13 | sts | is debian.org hosting the key as well? |
| 16:57.24 | sts | a firewall, not my firewall - itchi ;) |
| 16:57.25 | rahul | yos87: we can't predict the future |
| 16:57.32 | rahul | yos87: ask about something specific |
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| 16:58.00 | itchi | sts: That's sad new |
| 16:58.09 | itchi | s/new/news/ |
| 16:58.11 | illution___ | same help about debian dfs plz |
| 16:58.16 | sts | itchi: because? |
| 16:58.26 | Obstfliege | nabend |
| 16:58.37 | sts | nfalscherchannel ;) |
| 16:58.39 | itchi | sts: Like you have some troubles because an firewall behind you and somewhere block some stuff like you told |
| 16:59.02 | Ronin | illution___: we going to need just a bit more information |
| 16:59.26 | illution___ | i whant to craeto my one personnel debian |
| 16:59.27 | sts | itchi: where can i get the key through port 80? |
| 16:59.33 | itchi | sts: I dunno |
| 16:59.41 | sts | anybody? |
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| 16:59.44 | CharminTheMoose | wtf,quake 1 runs in dosemu but not in wine? |
| 17:00.12 | yos87 | rahul: I have Bough a Fujitsu Siemens Laptop, But it's totally not comatible with debian, Nothing works, I'm looking to buy laptop combatible, |
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| 17:00.30 | yos87 | rahul: not neccesary for Hp |
| 17:00.34 | yos87 | anthing |
| 17:00.43 | multi_io | hmm, now that I have a shiny Core2Duo proc, I'm trying to compile and run an x86-64 binary... |
| 17:01.11 | wols | multi_io: you need a shiny x86-64 kernel too |
| 17:01.13 | multi_io | compiling I managed afaics, but running only gives "cannot execute binary file" |
| 17:01.13 | sts | guys please! nobody knows a way to retrive debian pgp key from a website/keyserver that uses port 80?! that can't be... |
| 17:01.18 | itchi | yos87: I have recently buy an Toshiba A110-178. Works like a charm (See my setup notes: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118) |
| 17:01.19 | wols | not to mention libraries for it |
| 17:01.45 | multi_io | wols: I thought you could run both 32 and 64 in parallel? |
| 17:01.54 | multi_io | the libraries I installed |
| 17:01.57 | itchi | yos87: 3 weeks back i think |
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| 17:02.09 | scenestar | lo |
| 17:02.10 | wols | multi_io: yes. if you run 64bit OS mainly. then you can also run 32bit apps with a chroot or whatever. not the other way around |
| 17:02.18 | multi_io | ah, ok |
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| 17:02.22 | scenestar | right now im working on a debian dds |
| 17:02.27 | cydork | multi_io: you can run 32 bit binaries on ia32libs or chroot |
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| 17:03.54 | yos87 | itchi: But how to know if the laptop will work fine or not case you cannot try before |
| 17:04.00 | scylax | hi. how can i configure /usr/bin/mail so it uses a SMTP server which is installed in another machine? |
| 17:04.01 | scenestar | why the fuck does apache not parse my php scripts |
| 17:04.03 | scenestar | i mean |
| 17:04.12 | scenestar | i got webmin telling me everything is fine |
| 17:04.25 | scenestar | did dpkg-reconfigure apache2 |
| 17:04.35 | wols | scenestar: that's your first mistake. running webmin |
| 17:04.42 | scenestar | wols, isp gave it |
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| 17:04.48 | itchi | yos87: Tuxmobile, linux-on-laptop and google |
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| 17:04.59 | wols | scylax: you can't. use a local MTA that relays |
| 17:05.04 | scenestar | wols, any idea how i can get rid of all the preinstalled cruft |
| 17:05.12 | wols | reinstall |
| 17:05.18 | scenestar | derr |
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| 17:05.22 | scenestar | its a dedicated server |
| 17:05.23 | multi_io | cydork: is ia32libs an ubuntu package? |
| 17:05.24 | scylax | wols thanks. the default MTA is exim4, right? |
| 17:05.38 | scylax | wols do you know the quick way to get it to relaY? |
| 17:05.39 | wols | scylax: yes, but exim4 is a bit big for this task. ssmtp is smaller |
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| 17:05.51 | wols | and no I never used exim4. i'm a postfix guy |
| 17:05.56 | cydork | multi_io: no it's in debian amd64 |
| 17:05.58 | scylax | wols, i don't care... i actually have postfix installed elsewhere |
| 17:06.05 | scenestar | scylax what do you need it for |
| 17:06.10 | scenestar | i hate mta's |
| 17:06.11 | itchi | What's happend with linux-on-laptop, have already send 2 times back an link to my articles. Tuxmobile have already add it, but linux-on-laptop is still doinging nothings for 3 weeks |
| 17:06.13 | scylax | i just want to get nagios to be able to send its notifies to another domain |
| 17:06.19 | scenestar | for php i just use a dropp in replacement |
| 17:06.28 | scenestar | scylax |
| 17:06.30 | scylax | so i want nagios to use the postfix server which is available in another machine |
| 17:06.31 | wols | scenestar: are you running debina? |
| 17:06.35 | wols | *debian |
| 17:06.35 | scenestar | i got something for you |
| 17:06.45 | scenestar | on my servers yes |
| 17:06.46 | yos87 | itchi: I try alot before, they don't say the best, the troubleshoot only |
| 17:06.47 | scenestar | and my laptop |
| 17:06.54 | wols | and what is a "drop in replacement" for php? |
| 17:06.55 | scenestar | this is my windows game box |
| 17:07.25 | scenestar | wols , it replaces the standard mail() function with one that doesnt require sendmail |
| 17:07.29 | itchi | yos87: Buy same laptop as my, you will be so happy with it, runs soo good with Debian :-) |
| 17:07.46 | scenestar | debian is tEh sex |
| 17:07.50 | yos87 | itchi: if what you say right, show me an example show the most lapobs works fine with debian |
| 17:08.04 | itchi | yos87: Look to my articles?? |
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| 17:08.31 | itchi | yos87: Buy that laptop, set it up like i tell in my article; done :-) :-) |
| 17:08.36 | yos87 | itchi: Maybe I'll not find the Toshiba a110 |
| 17:08.42 | cydork | yos87: /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 17:09.22 | scenestar | http://rootthisbox.org/index.php |
| 17:09.29 | scenestar | derrr |
| 17:09.32 | scenestar | wrong chan |
| 17:09.35 | multi_io | why are there libraries like libc6-amd64 and lib64gcc1 in the normal x86 Debian? |
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| 17:09.48 | dareth | Newbie question. |
| 17:09.55 | multi_io | ...if they can'T be run on a 32 bit OS? |
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| 17:10.13 | dareth | Shell script runs in bash shell, but not from cron... giving a perm error on cd command... |
| 17:10.19 | scenestar | multi_io for derr cross compilation |
| 17:10.23 | KR-data | is there any way I can install php5 on stable? |
| 17:10.29 | scenestar | KR-data |
| 17:10.33 | wols | !tell KR-data about backports |
| 17:10.35 | dareth | script being run as user, but it is not getting the group perms for some reason. |
| 17:10.38 | scenestar | apt pinning or compiling from source |
| 17:10.48 | dareth | is it a sh shell vs bash shell thing? |
| 17:10.53 | wols | scenestar: neither |
| 17:10.55 | multi_io | scenestar: I see |
| 17:10.56 | scenestar | dareth like omg plz be more specific kthnxplz bai |
| 17:11.15 | dareth | like OMG, try shoving your keyboard up your ass sideways prick. |
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| 17:11.24 | KR-data | damn, it's not the optimal solution |
| 17:11.38 | cydork | KR-data: bpo? why not? |
| 17:11.48 | scenestar | dareth, i can fit TWO keyboards in there |
| 17:11.52 | scenestar | amateur |
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| 17:12.02 | dareth | I imagine you must be the goatse guy... oh wait he can fit half a dozen easy. |
| 17:12.05 | itchi | yos87: btw, mostly with new stuff (laptop's for example), you need Etch, otherwise your hardware are not reconized |
| 17:12.24 | dareth | where is the config file where I can change the shell used by cron? |
| 17:12.38 | yos87 | itchi: what this : http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop ? |
| 17:12.40 | itchi | yos87: Wich release have you try there on that laptop you have? Maybe can i help you a bit?? |
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| 17:12.47 | KR-data | cydork: well I'm new in debian :S |
| 17:13.02 | itchi | yos87: That's an mailing list |
| 17:13.15 | yos87 | itchi: I try alot, the kernel 2.6 cannot be installed totally |
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| 17:13.32 | yos87 | itchi: 2.4 work little |
| 17:13.53 | itchi | yos87: hhmm, here i had got (many little) troubles. With the Sarge installer. I Had need to install Etch on it |
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| 17:14.21 | itchi | yos87: Sorry, a bit messed the text |
| 17:14.37 | smacnay | hmm, if I leave my computer unattended, the application with focus, or console I am in if not in X, seems to get repeated '/' input. I wonder if it is rtorrent doing this. Or a glitchy keyboard. |
| 17:14.39 | waly | I have alot of traffic like this: 11:14:05.905184 arp who-has 66.98.190.163 tell 66.98.190.1 |
| 17:14.40 | waly | 11:14:06.169046 arp who-has 66.98.190.82 tell 66.98.190.1 |
| 17:14.40 | waly | 11:14:06.199998 arp who-has 66.98.190.82 tell 66.98.190.1 |
| 17:14.40 | waly | 11:14:06.201048 arp who-has 66.98.191.248 tell 66.98.190.1 |
| 17:14.40 | waly | 11:14:06.202607 arp who-has 66.98.190.39 tell 66.98.190.1 |
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| 17:15.03 | cydork | KR-data: bpo is great if you want to install new packages on stable. |
| 17:15.04 | Zesturian | I'm encountering a really odd behaviour, when I try to visit a domain, it sometimes doesn't resolve, but if I visit the IP address of that domain it works fine. For instances google.com. It's intermittent also, so I don't know what's causing it. The router also resolves the domain, just my PC fails to, anyone know anything that could cause this? |
| 17:15.13 | yos87 | itchi: I did not understand the last text anyway |
| 17:15.19 | KR-data | cydork: I'll try it, thanks :) |
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| 17:15.23 | brotherJohn1234 | Hi - i'm about to create a new Software-Raid (Raid 1) on 2 SATA 160GB drives. Does anybody have some information about my "optimized" size for the "chunk size" ? 4KB seams kind of low. |
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| 17:15.48 | waly | I have alot of traffic like this: 11:14:06.169046 arp who-has 66.98.190.82 tell 66.98.190.1 |
| 17:16.02 | waly | what thats traffic means |
| 17:16.11 | Ronin | this on the hacked box waly ? |
| 17:16.21 | waly | yes |
| 17:16.26 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, not yet clear ;-) I had get many little troubles with the Sarge installer, like he not know the hardware the laptop have. There was many things i had not get it working. Like he not know what it is. The Etch installer did it right and know everything |
| 17:16.37 | Ronin | would have thought you'd have killed that by now :) |
| 17:16.47 | stew | waly: that's totally normal. lookup "arp"; basically, its your router saying, "what is the ethernet card address of the machine with the ip 66.98.190.82, i'd like to send packets to that machine" |
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| 17:16.56 | yos87 | itchi: I want to go |
| 17:17.03 | yos87 | itchi: sorry, see you later |
| 17:17.09 | itchi | yos87: ;-) |
| 17:17.18 | multi_io | so, generally, the AMD64 Debian can run 32 bit binaries seamlessly, right? |
| 17:17.36 | multi_io | i.e. a chroot wouldn'T be strictly necessary? |
| 17:18.35 | stew | multi_io: ask #debian-amd64 if you don't get an answer here |
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| 17:18.40 | cydork | multi_io: not actually.. |
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| 17:21.31 | multi_io | stew: ok |
| 17:21.32 | Karamon | I think you should be able to selectively upgrade a package with apt, (i.e. apt-get upgrade mysql-server-5.0) instead of having to upgrade all the packages, any thoughts or assertions? |
| 17:21.56 | multi_io | apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 17:21.57 | stew | Karamon: apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 |
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| 17:22.13 | Karamon | Cool, thanks :) |
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| 17:23.24 | berzerka | does anyone see a way to find out whether there exists a debian package which contains a given latex package? i can search for filenames with dpkg -S but only in 'installed' packages.. |
| 17:23.50 | Fokker680 | hi people.. |
| 17:24.00 | multi_io | cydork: not exactly what? :P |
| 17:24.00 | Fokker680 | i have a clean installation of debian on one disk |
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| 17:24.15 | multi_io | not actually I mean |
| 17:24.18 | Fokker680 | and i want to mount a two-disks raid array |
| 17:24.25 | Fokker680 | how can i do that? |
| 17:24.42 | cydork | multi_io: not all the 32 bit apps run seamlessly with ia32libs. |
| 17:24.48 | multi_io | ok |
| 17:25.24 | cydork | berzerka: check apt-file |
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| 17:25.38 | multi_io | otherwise I thought you could just compile the kernel for amd64 and run the normal i386 Debian on that, you know :) |
| 17:26.00 | berzerka | cydork, i'll do, thanks. |
| 17:26.00 | Dunedan | I've a nforce4-board with a Realtek ALC850 sound-chip. When I connect a 5.1 sound-system I only get sound from the front left speaker, front right speaker and from the subwoofer. Could somebody help me to figure out why the other speakers aren't working? (I'm running Debian/unstable). |
| 17:26.19 | Flimzy | Fokker680: hardware or software raid? |
| 17:26.21 | rfrank | Dunedan, compile correct kernel module |
| 17:26.32 | Dunedan | rfrank: Which module? |
| 17:26.34 | Fokker680 | Flimzy: i have no idea, how can i check that? |
| 17:26.46 | Fokker680 | i think they are software raid |
| 17:26.51 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Probably because you're outputting stereo |
| 17:27.04 | Flimzy | Fokker680: If you don't know, then I hate to say it... but you probably have no business mounting it. |
| 17:27.09 | Dunedan | Flimzy: Same problem with "speaker-test -c 6" ... |
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| 17:27.31 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Then you're only outputting stereo with -c 6, even. |
| 17:27.40 | Flimzy | Dunedan: perhaps you have ALSA misconfigured... or your amp |
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| 17:28.12 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Or you're using the wrong output jack(s) on the sound card |
| 17:28.12 | Dunedan | Flimzy: Ok, so how do I have to configure it? |
| 17:28.12 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Or any number of other things. |
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| 17:28.15 | Flimzy | Are you using the spidf output? |
| 17:28.18 | Flimzy | or analog? |
| 17:28.23 | Dunedan | analog |
| 17:28.25 | Vme | anyone here recommened a good FTP server? |
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| 17:28.33 | Flimzy | Then the first thing I would do is play with your analog outputs |
| 17:28.34 | rfrank | Dunedan, looks like "nvsound", check to see if you have it |
| 17:28.40 | Flimzy | How many analog cables go from your pc to your amp? |
| 17:29.14 | multi_io | Fokker680: what kind of "two disk raid array" is that? |
| 17:29.23 | Dunedan | Flimzy: three |
| 17:29.37 | Flimzy | Vme: Sure... as soon as you recommend a good pizza topping. |
| 17:29.41 | Fokker680 | multi_io: you mean what type of raid is it? |
| 17:29.59 | Dunedan | rfrank: nvsound is working with alsa? |
| 17:30.09 | Vme | hrm |
| 17:30.11 | Flimzy | dunedan: Try plugging the front channel cable into the other outputs on your sound card and see if you hear the other channels out your front speakers. If you do, then the PC is outputting correctly and it's a prob w/ your amp |
| 17:30.21 | multi_io | Fokker680: I mean, if it's a software RAID cvreated on anotehr OS, it won't normally run under Linux |
| 17:30.23 | Vme | just simple pepperoni and sausage for me :) |
| 17:30.42 | Fokker680 | multi_io: it was created under linux |
| 17:30.47 | multi_io | ok |
| 17:30.49 | Flimzy | Vme: Then I suggest proftpd. Unless you prefer something else. Then use something else instead. |
| 17:31.02 | rahul | feta cheese on pizza rocks |
| 17:31.02 | Vme | lol |
| 17:31.07 | Dunedan | Flimzy: when I change the cables I can hear sound from the rear speakers |
| 17:31.12 | Vme | i really have no preference |
| 17:31.19 | Vme | i just usually use wu-ftpd |
| 17:31.21 | SpeedyG | rahul: I thought it melts :P |
| 17:31.21 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Then it's a problem with your amp (which I would ahve guessed) |
| 17:31.28 | Flimzy | Vme: NO!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:31.33 | rahul | !penixsmite SpeedyG |
| 17:31.34 | Vme | but i hear its bad |
| 17:31.39 | rahul | !penixstrike SpeedyG |
| 17:31.40 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking SpeedyG to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:31.42 | Flimzy | Vme: Don't use wu-ftpd!!! And never eat peppers on your pizza! |
| 17:31.48 | SpeedyG | hehe |
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| 17:31.51 | Vme | lol |
| 17:31.59 | Vme | Advice to give my kids |
| 17:32.02 | Flimzy | Vme: Dude... FTP servers are _usually_ one of the least important pieces of software. |
| 17:32.10 | Dunedan | Flimzy: But where should I look there for the problem? |
| 17:32.11 | Ronin | hey now, nothing wrong with peppers on pizza |
| 17:32.14 | Flimzy | Vme: If it works for you, it's fine. |
| 17:32.29 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Do you have Debian installed on your amp? |
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| 17:32.50 | Dunedan | I'm running Debian/unstable. |
| 17:32.52 | multi_io | Fokker680: have you read the Software RAID howto? |
| 17:32.54 | multi_io | e.g. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 17:32.56 | Flimzy | Ronin: I know. And probably nothing wrong with wu-ftpd. |
| 17:33.06 | Ronin | Flimzy: wouldn't go that far :) |
| 17:33.07 | Flimzy | Dunedan: You installed Debian/unstable on your audio amplifier? |
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| 17:34.38 | Fokker680 | multi_io: i will check it out |
| 17:34.38 | rahul | wu-ftpd isn't the only ftp server with buffer overflows |
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| 17:34.38 | Flimzy | I'm curious who makes a software controlled amp... and more importantly... one that can run Linux |
| 17:34.38 | rahul | it was just the most popular one, so it got exploited most |
| 17:34.39 | js_ | is there a problem with the current installer and tasksel? |
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| 17:34.39 | scylax | wols, thanks a lot, i got what i wanted with ssmtp |
| 17:34.39 | js_ | i mean with etch, of course |
| 17:34.39 | rahul | Flimzy: a digital amp? |
| 17:34.40 | Dunedan | Flimzy: I've a pc with Debian/unstable and an Logitech X-530 sound system |
| 17:34.40 | Flimzy | js_: If you mean the one in testing/unstable, then probably... that's why it's in testing/unstable :P |
| 17:34.40 | js_ | Flimzy: yeah, oh well :S |
| 17:34.40 | rahul | I guess you could control the analog equipment with digital levels |
| 17:34.43 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Well unless Debian is running on your Logitetch X-530 system... this is the wrong place to ask how to fix it. |
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| 17:35.23 | rahul | I have a pc with debian and halogen lamps |
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| 17:35.43 | Flimzy | Grrr. I think I hate snmpd |
| 17:35.44 | dos000 | whats the command to group a bunch of commands for timing. i want to time configure && make && make install |
| 17:35.46 | Dunedan | Flimzy: erm. What I proofed with changing the cables is, that the speakers are working correct. There should be a software problem on the pc (or a defect of the motherboard). |
| 17:36.05 | rahul | dos000: time sh -e '...' |
| 17:36.11 | rahul | er, sh -c? |
| 17:36.16 | Flimzy | Dunedan: No. That just means all the channels are being output by the PC. But the sound system is f'cking it |
| 17:36.19 | dos000 | thanks |
| 17:36.24 | rahul | dos000: check bash man page for how to pass a command to it |
| 17:36.41 | Flimzy | Dunedan: your sound system is probably expecting stereo input |
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| 17:36.55 | Flimzy | dunedan: And duplicating the bass from the L/R channels to the sub. And ignoring the rear and center channels |
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| 17:38.20 | utab | where can I find a color prompt script changing according to user, root red, user=green and so on |
| 17:38.31 | Dunedan | Flimzy: No. I think you don't understand what I mean. I took the cable for the rear-speakers an put it into the port for the front-speakers. After that the front-speakers were silent (because no cable was plugged in for them) and I could hear the sound for the front-speakers from the rear-speakers. |
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| 17:38.59 | i7ch | what's the best processor architecture option when compiling a kernel for an Intel Core 2 Duo T5500? "586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX", "Pentium M", or another? |
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| 17:39.46 | rahul | i7ch: try #kernelnewbies |
| 17:39.58 | rahul | they'll know better. |
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| 17:42.30 | Flimzy | Dunedan: Oh. Then it's a problem on the Linux box. Check your media player and/or ALSA settings. |
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| 17:43.10 | elops | I did a dist-upgrade on debian-sid and now, iceweasel (not firefox???) won't let me <backspace> to a previous page. It just kicks me up a a screen-full on my current page. |
| 17:44.04 | Ronin | elops: ok ill state the obvious :) checked the bts? |
| 17:44.08 | stew | elops: go to "about:config" and fileter on "backspace" there will be an option you can change to get different behaviour |
| 17:44.22 | stew | ^fileter^filter |
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| 17:49.56 | xored | if i use a software peace ( FCKeditor ) which is published under lgpl and build an web application with it, without chaning it, do i have to publish the whole code of the application "public" or only the part of FCKeditor, which maybe have changed ? |
| 17:50.18 | me_here | oh my binutils are broken |
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| 17:50.44 | rza | anyone setup debian etch with samba 3.0.23d to work as PDC successfully? |
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| 17:51.18 | montoya | Hi, I have a problem with font |
| 17:51.19 | me_here | ar tells me it's an elf-32 bit executable for linux-2.4.1, whereas i booted with a 2.6 kernel |
| 17:51.24 | montoya | http://www.dipmat.it/tmp/1.png |
| 17:51.30 | montoya | http://www.dipmat.it/tmp/2.png |
| 17:51.38 | montoya | :( |
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| 17:52.26 | Ronin | look fine to me montoya |
| 17:52.59 | montoya | ok |
| 17:53.14 | itchi | montoya: Maybe just a bit antialiasing |
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| 17:53.45 | itchi | montoya: But more for that 1.png, 2.png looks right |
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| 17:54.45 | montoya | also 2.png |
| 17:55.00 | Ronin | montoya: what do you think is the problem with them? |
| 17:55.41 | montoya | antialiasing? |
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| 17:55.49 | itchi | montoya: Smooth |
| 17:56.18 | itchi | montoya: The fonts looks not smooth enought |
| 17:56.55 | montoya | the are died |
| 17:57.10 | Ronin | pardon? |
| 17:57.27 | montoya | nooo nooo |
| 17:57.34 | montoya | random string |
| 17:57.48 | montoya | ;) |
| 17:58.05 | montoya | I restart KDE |
| 17:59.30 | itchi | montoya should need to look in kcontrol / Fonts, and activate "Use anti-aliasing for fonts" ... |
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| 18:02.28 | Ronin | or you can do that :) |
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| 18:03.54 | montoya | :( |
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| 18:04.10 | itchi | montoya: look in kcontrol / Fonts, and activate "Use anti-aliasing for fonts" ... |
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| 18:04.51 | js_ | what could cause the debian amd64 installer to hang at 69%? i tried etch at first and thought it was because the installer is in testing.. then i tried ubuntu 6.10 which also uses the installer, and it also got stuck at 69%, but at a different package than debian |
| 18:05.14 | azeem | js_: did you burn the ISO yourself? |
| 18:05.16 | itchi | js_: Go to another tty and look |
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| 18:05.32 | js_ | theres nothing in dmesg and i can fill the hdd with junk |
| 18:05.40 | js_ | azeem: yes, both, and the software also verified the isos |
| 18:05.45 | azeem | hrm |
| 18:06.18 | montoya | this option already was activated |
| 18:06.21 | itchi | js_: Hang he during installing stuff? |
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| 18:06.34 | js_ | itchi: yes, debian hangs on "configuring tasksel" |
| 18:06.34 | itchi | montoya: And in the settings of that option? |
| 18:06.37 | js_ | when installing the base system |
| 18:06.41 | js_ | at 69% |
| 18:07.11 | itchi | js_: Is the memory right? |
| 18:07.23 | montoya | http://www.dipmat.it/tmp/3.png |
| 18:08.02 | js_ | itchi: the machine has been running for hundreds of days, and for a couple of reasons it needs to be reinstalled |
| 18:08.06 | montoya | http://www.dipmat.it/tmp/4.png |
| 18:08.11 | js_ | itchi: those reasons arent hardware related |
| 18:08.21 | montoya | this is option of "antialiasing" |
| 18:08.50 | dareth | Okay, narrowed problem. |
| 18:09.05 | itchi | montoya: In the setting of that anti-aliasing fonts, is there an exclude range set? And what about 'Hinting style'? Is it to 'Full'. |
| 18:09.11 | dareth | Using interactive shell, the user is a member of a group, but when run under cron, the user is not a member... |
| 18:09.53 | itchi | js_: Set it to full. Had not saw 4.png |
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| 18:10.28 | r3m | what is the channel for debian woman please |
| 18:10.39 | rahul | #pr0n |
| 18:10.44 | itchi | js_: Once done, i'm not sure, i think you need to restart kde |
| 18:10.45 | r3m | pff |
| 18:10.50 | bipolar | heh |
| 18:10.52 | rahul | what does gender have to do with it? |
| 18:11.06 | r3m | well there is a community |
| 18:11.09 | r3m | for debian woman |
| 18:11.09 | rahul | do you want a pink background? |
| 18:11.16 | r3m | i know we have a channel for us |
| 18:11.23 | skx | r3m: #debian-women |
| 18:11.29 | r3m | thx! |
| 18:11.31 | bipolar | Does anyone have sugestion for a good linux server vendor? |
| 18:11.36 | itchi | r3m: Look to lesbian :-) |
| 18:11.38 | rahul | do women really use debian differently from men? |
| 18:11.38 | itchi | !lesbian |
| 18:11.38 | dpkg | lesbian is probably probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 18:11.56 | r3m | rahul we are better than man |
| 18:12.04 | dareth | they have pretty flowers and shit on their background, cause they run X... oh and they all use KDE. |
| 18:12.07 | rahul | well duh |
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| 18:12.23 | rahul | all the more reason to not segregate yourselves |
| 18:12.32 | js_ | itchi: you spoke to the wrong person |
| 18:12.35 | r3m | KDE is great. |
| 18:12.41 | dareth | laugh, using it now. |
| 18:12.43 | rahul | us men will just end up being slobbish brutes |
| 18:12.49 | rahul | KDE is pain incarnate |
| 18:12.49 | itchi | js_: Oeps, soryy |
| 18:12.58 | rahul | ever tried to compile KDE on a 68040? :P |
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| 18:13.02 | itchi | montoya: Have you followed ? :-p |
| 18:13.13 | rahul | KDE created serious problems for the debian project |
| 18:13.19 | dareth | can someone tell me why I can be a member of a group in an interactive shell, but not for cron job on same user? |
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| 18:14.00 | montoya | itchi: |
| 18:14.20 | itchi | montoya: Have you set it to full? |
| 18:15.21 | montoya | now yes |
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| 18:15.21 | pippijn | hi all |
| 18:15.21 | montoya | restart kde? |
| 18:15.21 | itchi | montoya: I'm not sure, maybe, do it ;-) |
| 18:15.21 | pippijn | is it possible to build root_plug.ko for a stock kernel? |
| 18:15.22 | itchi | montoya: I not use KDE ;-) |
| 18:15.22 | cld2 | how can I search in apt-get? I want to look for the ion wm. I just did a min install not quite sure whats going on. |
| 18:15.22 | montoya | :O |
| 18:15.22 | skx | cld2: apt-cache search ion |
| 18:15.27 | cld2 | skx: thanks. |
| 18:15.30 | itchi | cld2: See /msg dpkg search |
| 18:15.36 | cld2 | itchi: thanks |
| 18:15.37 | pippijn | cld2: ion3 is called ion3 btw |
| 18:15.45 | skx | cld2: probably best ot use "apt-cache search ^ion" |
| 18:16.09 | cld2 | pippijn: yup, thanks. skx: what does the ^ do in apt-cache? anything that matches ion? |
| 18:16.23 | pippijn | cld2: means that ion is at the start of a name |
| 18:16.25 | itchi | cld2: Start with foo |
| 18:16.28 | pippijn | ^ means start $ means end |
| 18:16.36 | cld2 | thanks. |
| 18:16.42 | pippijn | so ^ion3$ will search for exactly "ion3" and nothing else |
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| 18:16.56 | itchi | !tell cld2 -about foo |
| 18:17.00 | pippijn | foo? |
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| 18:17.13 | itchi | !foo |
| 18:17.13 | dpkg | hmm... foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar> |
| 18:17.14 | pippijn | interesting =) |
| 18:17.14 | cld2 | being used to emerge, if I install ion3 via apt-get will it install the needed X.org packages also? |
| 18:17.25 | pippijn | cld2: the needed ones, yes |
| 18:17.30 | pippijn | cld2: but not all those you want |
| 18:17.36 | pippijn | cld2: I suggest you install x-window-system |
| 18:17.47 | cld2 | so dont let ion3 pick what I install |
| 18:17.51 | pippijn | well |
| 18:17.57 | pippijn | it will install all libraries |
| 18:18.02 | multi_io | science thinks that women are the truly strong sex! |
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| 18:18.10 | pippijn | so you can then install vncserver and run ion inside vnc |
| 18:18.15 | pippijn | but there will be no X server |
| 18:18.16 | Ronin | obviously multi_io isnt married ;) |
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| 18:18.40 | cld2 | they usually cant open the jar of peanut butter. |
| 18:18.43 | itchi | cld2: Maybe you need to look to /msg dpkg install x |
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| 18:18.49 | multi_io | yeah, good guess :) |
| 18:18.59 | cld2 | itchi, pippijn: thanks. |
| 18:19.07 | itchi | cld2: Your Welcome ;-) |
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| 18:19.16 | pippijn | so does anyone know about the root_plug question I had earlier? |
| 18:19.59 | cld2 | is 3.1 etch? |
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| 18:20.07 | pippijn | 4.0 is testing |
| 18:20.11 | pippijn | I don't know what 3.1 is |
| 18:20.14 | itchi | pippijn: I dunno |
| 18:20.14 | wols | cld2: 3.1 is sarge |
| 18:20.20 | pippijn | there you go :) |
| 18:20.30 | cld2 | oh. thanks. no xorg 7.1 for me. |
| 18:20.42 | pippijn | cld2: upgrading is easy |
| 18:20.57 | helo | does linux-source-2.6.17 include all debian patches? |
| 18:21.14 | helo | well... include the standard debian patches |
| 18:21.23 | itchi | cld2: Or just wait. Etch (4.0) actually as Testing release will be soon move to Stable |
| 18:21.24 | pippijn | no |
| 18:21.35 | pippijn | helo: linux-tree-2.6.17 installs the patches |
| 18:21.47 | pippijn | helo: maybe.. they are in already :\ |
| 18:21.47 | cld2 | ok, its just going to take me a while looking like an idiot to get used to all the debian specific stuff. but im VERY impressed with apt-get when I added ssh and all the automated quetsions it asked me. that was sweet. oh and I didnt have to compile for 15 min :) |
| 18:21.49 | pippijn | sorry, not sure |
| 18:22.00 | helo | heh np |
| 18:22.08 | pippijn | cld2: :) |
| 18:22.18 | itchi | cld2: Everyone was 'dumb', just try to change ;-) |
| 18:22.46 | Ronin | many of us still are too :) |
| 18:22.59 | pippijn | insmod doesn't have a "force" right? |
| 18:23.14 | pippijn | I built a root_plug.ko for the same kernel version I have installed |
| 18:23.19 | itchi | cld2: Just keep the motivation, step by step you get more knowledges about it. Just do _not_ give it up!. You will be recompensated ;-) |
| 18:23.20 | pippijn | but obviously it is not the same kernel |
| 18:23.54 | cld2 | itchi: thanks. I gota get away from gentoo. its just way to much effort to maintain |
| 18:24.00 | helo | if something is looking for /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h, is it trying to build for a 2.4 kernel? |
| 18:24.08 | pippijn | cld2: indeed |
| 18:24.25 | pippijn | cld2: I still use it on my desktop, and more and more things are breaking, I have to hack my init scripts all the time |
| 18:24.28 | itchi | cld2: You gona _love_ debian ;-) |
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| 18:24.36 | cld2 | can I add a backports repo to my apt-get? so I can install things via apt-get? |
| 18:24.38 | pippijn | cld2: I will switch the desktop to debian soon |
| 18:24.53 | Decepticon | how do i tell if i have a web server package installed? |
| 18:25.01 | Decepticon | is there a search function in dpkg? |
| 18:25.08 | Decepticon | dpkg -l <searchquery> |
| 18:25.08 | dpkg | No packages found matching <searchquery> |
| 18:25.12 | itchi | cld2: You need to look to the instructions on the backports site |
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| 18:25.23 | cld2 | pippijn: yeah, thats my problem right now, my mythtv box is like a second job just to keep it running semi smoothly, and forget about upgrades... took me almost 4 days to get the new ati drivers and 2.6.18 kernel working. |
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| 18:25.34 | cld2 | itchi: thanks. will do. |
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| 18:25.56 | itchi | Decepticon: Have you try it? |
| 18:25.57 | pippijn | cld2: debian also has the concept of "alternatives" which is *great* |
| 18:26.06 | Decepticon | have i what? |
| 18:26.07 | pippijn | cld2: x-window-manager points at your favorite window manager |
| 18:26.18 | itchi | Decepticon: dpkg -l foo |
| 18:26.19 | Decepticon | the -l switch is for exact package names... gee i dunno |
| 18:26.22 | pippijn | cld2: x-terminal-emulator does that.. guess now :) |
| 18:26.26 | Decepticon | i dont have an exact package name though |
| 18:26.32 | itchi | Decepticon: Joke, wildcards *foo* |
| 18:26.38 | pippijn | cld2: rxvt-unicode is being installed as urxvt, in debian also as rxvt |
| 18:26.42 | abrotman | Decepticon: what are you looking for in particular ? |
| 18:26.45 | itchi | s/Joke/Joker/ |
| 18:26.54 | Decepticon | just any http server i might have installed |
| 18:27.00 | Decepticon | and for future reference |
| 18:27.05 | Decepticon | if i wanted to search something like that |
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| 18:27.50 | cld2 | pippijn: thanks. so is x-window-system going to be a generic tag for either Xfee or Xorg? depeding on what I have mine set to? is that how it works? |
| 18:28.13 | pippijn | cld2: no, because XFree86 and X.org both install X |
| 18:28.25 | pippijn | cld2: it's for those packages that have different names but do the same |
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| 18:28.34 | pippijn | cld2: like xterm = x-terminal-emulator |
| 18:28.36 | cld2 | ah ok. clear to me now. |
| 18:28.42 | pippijn | cld2: firefox may be sensible-browser |
| 18:28.50 | pippijn | cld2: vim may be sensible-editor |
| 18:28.51 | itchi | Decepticon: That way you not get it, if you not know, near which package it concern |
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| 18:29.02 | pippijn | cld2: try galternatives, it is a nice frontend for that stuff |
| 18:29.16 | multisynk | anyone have any problems with 'top' that's distributed with debian/sarge? |
| 18:29.19 | cld2 | thanks. what about aptitude ? |
| 18:29.20 | multisynk | it seems broken to me |
| 18:29.31 | pippijn | cld2: all alternatives are links in /etc/alternatives |
| 18:29.32 | itchi | multisynk: Not here |
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| 18:29.35 | pippijn | cld2: aptitude is good |
| 18:29.36 | Ronin | works nicely here multisynk,what doesnt it do for you |
| 18:29.43 | pippijn | cld2: I really like it |
| 18:29.49 | itchi | multisynk: Tell us exactly what's happend |
| 18:30.06 | multisynk | well, load = 8.21, 8.37, 7.11 right now |
| 18:30.23 | multisynk | top shows |
| 18:30.24 | multisynk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.24 | multisynk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.24 | multisynk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.24 | multisynk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.24 | multisynk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:30.42 | itchi | !tell multisynk -about paste |
| 18:30.44 | multisynk | sorry guys, didn't mean to paste that much. |
| 18:30.52 | multisynk | my bad |
| 18:30.55 | cld2 | pippijn: ok, so to install Xorg on sarge 3.1 I have to use backports? |
| 18:31.09 | itchi | cld2: Yes |
| 18:31.17 | pippijn | cld2: I don't know, but I would not recommend using sarge on a desktop system |
| 18:31.20 | itchi | pippijn: Ow sorry ;-) |
| 18:31.27 | pippijn | cld2: and obviously you are installing a desktop system |
| 18:31.34 | infernix | multisynk: the load is not only related to CPU, it can also be disk IO waiting for something |
| 18:31.34 | cld2 | pippijn: what should I use etch? |
| 18:31.35 | pippijn | cld2: because no one would install X on a server =) |
| 18:31.44 | Ronin | nothing wrong with sarge as a desktop, works quite nicely for me |
| 18:31.50 | pippijn | it works |
| 18:32.02 | multisynk | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4743 |
| 18:32.04 | pippijn | cld2: you can use backports |
| 18:32.05 | cld2 | haha, you would think but all the "linux" admins at my job using suse treat it like windows. they X session in and gui up everything... its so sad. |
| 18:32.08 | pippijn | cld2: try what works best for you |
| 18:32.38 | infernix | cld2: if you're used to recent versions of everything, use etch; if you're happiest with a stable, never changing system that always works after you've set it up, use sarge. |
| 18:32.40 | pippijn | cld2: I know people at my university who are like that |
| 18:32.48 | infernix | !stable |
| 18:32.49 | dpkg | i heard stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r3, or ask me about releases. |
| 18:32.49 | infernix | !etch |
| 18:32.50 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 18:33.15 | itchi | cld2: What you can do is migrate to Etch, an set Etch in the sources.list So that once Etch become stable, your again to stable |
| 18:33.26 | cld2 | infernix: thanks. Im going for the build it and dont worry about upgradeding it at this point. I just need a light WM and ssh. no need for cutting edge. thanks for the description. |
| 18:33.28 | itchi | cld2: But wait |
| 18:33.55 | pippijn | cld2: ion3 is awesome :) |
| 18:33.59 | itchi | cld2: Trash what i have tell you ;-) |
| 18:34.08 | infernix | cld2: as long as your setup isn't too bloated, you can always upgrade to etch easily, but you can NOT downgrade from etch to sarge. |
| 18:34.20 | itchi | cld2: Just wait +- a month or 2 (maybe a bit more) |
| 18:34.21 | multisynk | infernix: mind if i pm? |
| 18:34.25 | cld2 | infernix: thanks. good to know.. in place upgrades yes? |
| 18:34.38 | infernix | multisynk: only if you really must. |
| 18:34.42 | cld2 | itchi: ok, ill learn on 3.1 im sure ill screw somethign up and want to re install in a month of so. |
| 18:34.46 | infernix | cld2: yep. |
| 18:35.13 | itchi | cld2: If you can play with virtual computers, it will maybe iteresting for you to try Etch in it? See qemu for example |
| 18:35.15 | pippijn | cld2: probably |
| 18:35.18 | infernix | cld2: now, for sarge, there are certain packages that are more up to date. |
| 18:35.19 | infernix | !backports |
| 18:35.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 18:35.35 | cld2 | pippijn: yeah, ion is great, have you seen http://www.semicomplete.com/projects/keynav/ Ive been using it for firefox. im almost 100% mouse free. |
| 18:35.37 | infernix | cld2: you'll need those for xorg. also, for multimedia stuff, there's a repository at www.debian-multimedia.org |
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| 18:36.24 | pippijn | cld2: looks good :) |
| 18:36.29 | pippijn | cld2: I'll try that |
| 18:36.48 | cld2 | pippijn: give it a few days before you write it off. it was whacky to me at first but once I got used to it i love it |
| 18:37.00 | pippijn | cld2: same for ion though :) |
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| 18:37.11 | cld2 | infernix: thanks for the backports info. |
| 18:37.20 | infernix | ion3 is a typists wet dream |
| 18:37.22 | pippijn | cld2: I felt that ion was too wacky for me at first as well |
| 18:37.31 | pippijn | infernix ;) |
| 18:37.45 | Ronin | infernix: heh |
| 18:37.49 | pippijn | emacs is a typist future nightmare |
| 18:37.54 | pippijn | c-everything |
| 18:38.08 | cydork | pippijn: no it's not... |
| 18:38.46 | pippijn | cydork: I use it a lot and after a few days of working with emacs my leftmost finger starts hurting |
| 18:39.09 | infernix | heh. i think multisync's box got hacked :> |
| 18:39.21 | pippijn | :] |
| 18:39.25 | infernix | 90% userspace cpu and not showing up in top |
| 18:39.45 | cydork | pippijn: stop using ctrl shirt - :P |
| 18:39.46 | pippijn | oh, yes |
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| 18:39.54 | pippijn | cydork? |
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| 18:40.09 | pippijn | oh |
| 18:40.10 | cydork | s/shirt/shift/ |
| 18:40.15 | pippijn | =) |
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| 18:41.14 | pippijn | how can I compile a kernel module source file ex-tree? |
| 18:41.26 | pippijn | I have a single .c file and want to compile it against the installed headers |
| 18:42.38 | thelostbutler | pippijn: http://www.linuxhq.com/lkprogram.html |
| 18:43.12 | pippijn | thanks |
| 18:43.15 | pippijn | I'll read that |
| 18:43.53 | pippijn | ah excellent |
| 18:43.57 | pippijn | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/lkmpg/2.6/html/x181.html |
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| 18:44.14 | thelostbutler | :) |
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| 18:45.30 | cld2 | another stupid question. 3.1 has NO X.org or just no X.org 7.* . did the debian people pick Xfree86 and thats what avaliable by default. sorry to be dense. this "only these packages by default" is going to take some getting used to. thanks. |
| 18:45.45 | infernix | no x.org; you need backports.org for that. |
| 18:45.47 | cydork | cld2: stable has xfree86 |
| 18:46.03 | infernix | !xorg sarge |
| 18:46.03 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/, or ask me about <bpo> |
| 18:46.03 | cld2 | thanks. makes sense to me now. appreciate all the help guys. |
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| 18:47.07 | Hotwire | hi, what would be a sensible course of action if I had just removed my /tmp folder? |
| 18:47.19 | stew | Hotwire: mkdir /tmp ; chmod 1777 /tmp |
| 18:47.39 | Decepticon | why does apt/synaptic give really old versions of programs? |
| 18:47.43 | Hotwire | stew: yeah I have done that |
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| 18:48.12 | thelostbutler | Deception: depends which tree you are tracking |
| 18:48.21 | Hotwire | but it seems that kde keeps important stuff in there, so I cant load any new programs |
| 18:48.31 | Decepticon | thelostbutler, what does that mean |
| 18:48.32 | itchi | Decepticon: Wich release run you? |
| 18:48.35 | Decepticon | sarge |
| 18:48.47 | stew | Decepticon: becuase the current debian stable is 1.5 years old, so the pacakges in stable will have versions that were current ask of 20 or so months ago |
| 18:49.26 | Decepticon | will the next release (etch) have newer packages in stable, then? |
| 18:49.29 | pippijn | hm :\ |
| 18:49.35 | pippijn | insmod: error inserting 'root_plug.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 18:49.39 | Decepticon | and how old of a range will etch's packages have |
| 18:49.39 | cld2 | wow /etc/alternatives is freaking cool! |
| 18:49.43 | stew | Decepticon: yes, it will have packages that are currrent as of about now |
| 18:49.45 | pippijn | cld2: indeed :) |
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| 18:50.06 | itchi | Samantha, brb :-p |
| 18:50.07 | stew | cld2: you are hopefully using update-alternatives to manage that |
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| 18:51.09 | Decepticon | i mean etch hasnt been officially released yet, but i can see vmware images of it everywhere.. how stable are those? |
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| 18:51.18 | PRAEDO | hello |
| 18:51.20 | PRAEDO | i have a question |
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| 18:51.31 | PRAEDO | but does my usb keyboard work in the bootup bios but not in lilo? |
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| 18:52.26 | ib48 | hello! how can i write mathematical logic or set theory notation in linux? |
| 18:53.07 | thelostbutler | ib48: Lyx |
| 18:53.08 | me_here | ib48: go with latex |
| 18:53.12 | cld2 | stew: the only thing I did was type vi and it loaded an emacs like nvi so i did apt-get install vim and it changed the vi to vim automagically. did I leave a step out? |
| 18:53.12 | me_here | yes |
| 18:53.32 | ib48 | thelostbutler, what is Lyx? |
| 18:53.42 | thelostbutler | ib48: lyx is a latex editor |
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| 18:53.50 | rahul | LyX is a GUI frontend for LaTeX |
| 18:54.05 | thelostbutler | ib48: http://www.lyx.org/ |
| 18:54.07 | rahul | it can get quite tedious to build equations using esoteric characters, tho |
| 18:54.08 | ib48 | thelostbutler, thnx |
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| 18:54.55 | thelostbutler | Deception: well the only way to find out is to install it and test it ! :) |
| 18:55.08 | stew | cld2: no not at all, the vim package did it for you. i'm just saying if you wanted to change the default pager for instance, use "update-alternatives --config pager" instead of messing with those symlinks by hand |
| 18:55.15 | ib48 | one more question: how can i check RAM under console? |
| 18:55.22 | thelostbutler | free -m |
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| 18:55.50 | cld2 | stew: thanks. |
| 18:55.58 | ib48 | thelostbutler, thnx |
| 18:56.15 | sohmestra | how do I tell the current number of open files on my box? |
| 18:56.26 | itchi | ib48: Look to /msg dpkg memtest |
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| 18:56.45 | cld2 | im looking at this backports howto on adding it to your sources.list and then the preferences file. if I add something with Pin-Priority: 999 can another package in that file have the same pin-priority? |
| 18:56.46 | sohmestra | lsof |wc -l ? |
| 18:57.50 | cld2 | also, If I apt-get x11-common and that needs other debs that are in backports do I have to add all the packages to the /etc/apt/prefernces file or just the primary one? |
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| 18:57.56 | stew | cld2: yes. pin priorities are only compared with prioritoes of packages with the same exact name |
| 18:58.01 | multi_io | sohmestra: ll /proc/*/fd |
| 18:58.17 | cld2 | stew: thanks. so I can have each one set to 999 with on interfecence. |
| 18:58.32 | multi_io | then sort out / uniq what you want, sort of |
| 18:58.33 | PRAEDO | but does my usb keyboard work in the bootup bios but not in lilo? |
| 18:58.40 | stew | cld2: yes, you would. or skip the preferences and just run "apt-get -t sarge-backports install xorg" |
| 18:58.46 | PRAEDO | why does my usb keyboard work in the bootup bios but not in lilo? |
| 18:59.00 | sohmestra | multi_io: thanks |
| 18:59.24 | itchi | PRAEDO: I have an usb keyboard, use Grub, he does it, i dunno with lilo |
| 18:59.25 | thelostbutler | PRAEDO: does your lilo conf have the option for you to be prompted ? |
| 18:59.39 | cld2 | stew: thanks for the tip |
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| 19:01.00 | sohmestra | my LDAP server (slapd, sarge) is failing to close connections. I've got > 300 in CLOSE_WAIT. Any ideas why this might be? |
| 19:01.02 | lilalinux | How do I get the configured and patched sources for e.g. linux-image-2.6.18-3-vserver-k7? |
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| 19:01.28 | sohmestra | it accepts new connections, but doesn't close old ones. I've got idletimeout set to 300.. |
| 19:02.09 | sohmestra | oh, yeah, and it doesn't respond to queries. |
| 19:02.19 | multi_io | lilalinux: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 19:02.41 | multi_io | umm.. well, those are not configured |
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| 19:02.51 | lilalinux | multi_io: that won't get me the specialized -vserver-k7 |
| 19:03.00 | lilalinux | yeah |
| 19:03.03 | multi_io | that right, sorry |
| 19:03.07 | lilalinux | np |
| 19:03.09 | multi_io | 's |
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| 19:04.06 | multi_io | lilalinux: maybe apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-3-vserver-k7 |
| 19:04.17 | lilalinux | multi_io: been there, done that |
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| 19:05.25 | lilalinux | that'll get linux-2.6_2.6.18-7... |
| 19:05.55 | lilalinux | ATM I'm building with dpkg-buildpackage resulting in a build of ALL possible builds |
| 19:06.17 | lilalinux | In the hope that it leaves the source somewhere :-/ |
| 19:06.21 | multi_io | lilalinux: right, so the config should be in there somewhere :) |
| 19:06.35 | lilalinux | yeah, it uncludes ALL patches |
| 19:06.40 | lilalinux | s/unc/incl |
| 19:07.09 | Decepticon | i want all of my typed commands to be appended by " | less" |
| 19:07.14 | Decepticon | whatever i type. i want that to happen |
| 19:07.22 | lilalinux | but how do I tell the packaging system to only 1) unpack and patch 2) only -vserver-k7 |
| 19:07.31 | Decepticon | how can i make such a change? |
| 19:08.10 | keith80403 | Any quick and dirty instructions for setting up a Sarge firewall between a home router and a cablemodem? |
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| 19:08.23 | dendrite | Decepticon: Not easy, and probably a really bad idea. |
| 19:08.39 | Decepticon | for example, when would it be a really bad idea? |
| 19:08.50 | dendrite | Decepticon: When running an ncurses command. |
| 19:08.54 | Decepticon | oh damn |
| 19:08.55 | Decepticon | right |
| 19:09.07 | plutonas | Decepticon: it is a bad idea, but i think that with an alias, you could do it... |
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| 19:09.28 | dendrite | If not with an alias, then with a shell wrapper. |
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| 19:09.49 | plutonas | well yes... |
| 19:09.55 | Decepticon | ill stick to it being a bad idea |
| 19:10.02 | Decepticon | i just like thinking up random crap |
| 19:10.03 | dendrite | Decepticon: Right move. :-) |
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| 19:10.32 | thelostbutler | lilalinux: while i know make-kpkg has an option to specify what patch to be added when building the kernel deb package, i have never tried it |
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| 19:10.59 | multi_io | lilalinux: I don't think dpkg-buildpackage lets you do that |
| 19:11.06 | multi_io | I'm not an expert though |
| 19:11.17 | abrotman | Decepticon: maybe ask #bash |
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| 19:11.37 | Decepticon | abrotman i hope i dont piss you off coming here and asking completely useless questions out of curiousity |
| 19:11.39 | goodshit | anyone know of any good online pay monitoring services that will actually go to a website and grab some info and query the mysql database also, to see if the website is up, instead of just doing a ping on it. Anyone know of any online services monitoring that does that. give me one website..thanks |
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| 19:11.42 | DomL_1 | how do i open .rpm files? |
| 19:11.54 | multi_io | the best options might still be to extract the .config from the source package, and then compile the linux-source-2.6.18 with that |
| 19:11.59 | goodshit | vi .rpm |
| 19:12.00 | plutonas | DomL_1: alien |
| 19:12.11 | multi_io | with rpm |
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| 19:12.45 | multi_io | or rpm2cpio if you want to get at the files inside |
| 19:12.46 | cld2 | what apt-* program do I use to see the packages installed on my local machine? |
| 19:13.00 | lilalinux | multi_io: leaves the question which patches to apply |
| 19:13.03 | schme | cld2: dpkg |
| 19:13.16 | lilalinux | cld2 dpkg --get-selections |
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| 19:13.38 | thelostbutler | lilalinux: what is your goal though ? what kind of kernel are you trying to build ? |
| 19:13.42 | plutonas | now that etch comes out, when i give apt-get dist-upgrade, how do i keep my custom kernel that i use now? will there be any problems, upgrading from xfree86 to xorg? |
| 19:13.53 | lilalinux | thelostbutler: I need the sources for building the vmware modules |
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| 19:14.10 | lilalinux | and it wants the sources of my installed -vserver-k7 kenel |
| 19:14.12 | cld2 | schme, lilalinux: thanks. |
| 19:14.13 | Vme | [00000362] ffmpeg encoder error: cannot find encoder MPEG Audio layer 1/2/3 |
| 19:14.15 | lilalinux | headers aren't enough |
| 19:14.34 | JordiGH | What's a quick way to see what packages a specific DD maintains? Right now, I just use apt-cache dumpavail and grep through that. :-/ |
| 19:14.36 | multi_io | does Debian have architecture-specific kernel patches? Seem strange... |
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| 19:14.39 | multi_io | *Seems |
| 19:15.21 | JordiGH | multi_io: Why is that strange? |
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| 19:15.35 | multi_io | cld2: I asjed that question earlier, the answer was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l '*' | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' |
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| 19:16.16 | multi_io | JordiGH: wouldn't it be sufficient to include all arch-specific patches in the general linux-source-x.x.x? |
| 19:16.18 | xnor | can someone help me troubleshooting my spamassasin and exim4 install, spamassasin works on its own, but i can get exim to use it. |
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| 19:16.39 | Frederick | folks how do I set up apt to use a proxy I know I have to add someting in etc/apt/apt.conf.d/05aptitude |
| 19:17.17 | JordiGH | multi_io: Oh. *shrug* I'm not sure how the actual logistics of kernel patch should work. |
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| 19:19.11 | odla | abrotman, you telling people i live in calgary! |
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| 19:22.21 | tarzeau | odla, abrotman! |
| 19:22.39 | odla | tarzeau, hello |
| 19:22.48 | aronofsky | hi guys, i was playing with tcpdump and there is something i dont understand, i use an ldap server with simple auth , i try 'tcpdump -X port 389' but i dont see the password in clear , can anyone tell me why ? |
| 19:23.00 | thelostbutler | lilalinux: you probably wanna write to the person who maintains that package, or ask on debian mailing list. i personally think that the source that you downloaded is the one that you need. the naming of the package has probably to do with the specific funtion of the image. **shrugs** i could be wrong |
| 19:23.30 | darrend | hi. Trying to create a debian based liveCD to demo a product, and getting the following error when attempting to add Java packages: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4744 Anyone know what I need to do to be able to display/accept the license? (I have tried the suggested method to no avail) |
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| 19:23.44 | abrotman | odla: alberta! |
| 19:23.50 | abrotman | odla: no ? |
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| 19:23.52 | odla | abrotman, edmonton |
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| 19:24.06 | abrotman | oh .. doh .. sorry |
| 19:24.15 | odla | abrotman, calgary is the horrors of alberta! |
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| 19:24.41 | odla | abrotman, only here for 8 more days though! |
| 19:26.33 | lilalinux | thelostbutler: do you mean the maintainer of linux-image? or vmware? |
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| 19:26.58 | valdyn | darrend: what did you pick when running 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' ? |
| 19:27.07 | thelostbutler | lilalinux: the mainter of the linux-image package. debian mailing list is another place to try |
| 19:27.17 | darrend | valdyn: the command did nothing at all - no output |
| 19:27.37 | valdyn | darrend: run 'dpkg-reconfigure -f dialog -plow debconf' |
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| 19:28.12 | darrend | valdyn: ok... |
| 19:28.27 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me about my tcpdump interogation ? |
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| 19:30.38 | darrend | valdyn: same.. no output from the dpkg-reconfigure command and same error afterwards attempting to install jdk |
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| 19:31.56 | valdyn | darrend: run 'dpkg-reconfigure -freadline -plow debconf' <- try that oto |
| 19:31.58 | valdyn | darrend: run 'dpkg-reconfigure -freadline -plow debconf' <- try that too |
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| 19:32.28 | darrend | valdyn: same again :( |
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| 19:33.18 | darrend | should the dpkg-reconfigure update a file somewhere with the dialog or readline value? |
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| 19:33.36 | valdyn | darrend: yea |
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| 19:34.08 | aronofsky | on what channel can I ask a tcpdump question ? |
| 19:34.16 | valdyn | darrend: what else did you do to possible fuck this up? |
| 19:34.46 | Flimzy | Would it be considered a bug if the debpartial-mirror man page SYNOPSIS thinks the name of the command is 'apt-get'? |
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| 19:35.43 | CrippsFX | I'm trying to get 3d acceleration working on my laptop ... it was w0orking, but then I did something (but I can't remember what), and now I'm stuck having mesa try to do my rendering ... I followed the directions on this site: www.aquariusoft.org/page/linux/atidebian ... but now when I try to run "startx" I get the error that the module "fglrx" is not available (although, it is installed and I loaded it with modprobe) |
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| 19:36.43 | darrend | valdyn: which file should it update? This is just the iso sources for a liveCD I'm trying to create, so it could be any number of things |
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| 19:37.38 | valdyn | darrend: so its not really a debian system, i take it |
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| 19:37.52 | valdyn | darrend: dpkg -L debconf lists the files belonging to debconf |
| 19:37.56 | wols | CrippsFX: fglrx X module probably |
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| 19:38.44 | JordiGH | I wish there were an easy way to tell why a package is in the non-free section. Other than installing the damn thing and reading its copyright statement. :-/ |
| 19:38.59 | darrend | valdyn: it's debian based, but not installed on my hardware if that's what you mean |
| 19:39.25 | valdyn | darrend: i do, debian-based guarantees nothing at all |
| 19:39.45 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 19:39.45 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 19:40.13 | valdyn | darrend: same for your own custom stuff, unfortunately |
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| 19:41.18 | valdyn | JordiGH: what exactly would you need to know about it? |
| 19:41.35 | aFlag | hey. Could cancelling the aptitude progress at any point make the system inconsistent? |
| 19:42.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried blinkensisters yet or xrockman? |
| 19:42.05 | Decepticon | which extremely light httpd do you guys recommend for a noob? |
| 19:42.09 | valdyn | aFlag: sure |
| 19:42.14 | JordiGH | valdyn: I want to know why latex2html is in non-free. I'm rather surprised that LaTeX software is in non-free, and if this something contentious like the GFDL, then I think I have my own opinions. |
| 19:42.20 | tarzeau | Decepticon: thttpd is my favourite |
| 19:42.27 | abrotman | no |
| 19:42.40 | JordiGH | aFlag: I' |
| 19:42.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: got a 3d card, i've got another game, that you can test if you want , there's deb packages |
| 19:43.02 | JordiGH | aFlag: I've interrupted aptitude/dpkg before, and they can usually recover later. |
| 19:43.03 | aFlag | valdyn: and there's any automated way to recover? |
| 19:43.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: but i'm not at home |
| 19:43.25 | darrend | valdyn: I never said it did guarantee anything, I just asked if there was an answer to the problem I was seeing. I'm not trying to pin someone to a support contract |
| 19:43.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: just say you don't want to try it. you won't hurt my feelings |
| 19:43.54 | abrotman | i'm at work ? |
| 19:44.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's ok |
| 19:44.06 | valdyn | aFlag: ask precisely what you want, you cannot use my general answers for something useful either |
| 19:44.21 | JordiGH | Crap. tth is also in non-free. :-( |
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| 19:45.07 | aFlag | valdyn: I just want to know if irreversible damages could be done to the system if apt-get is interrupted |
| 19:45.19 | valdyn | aFlag: unix processes cant guarantee recovery from SIGKILL, and they aren't supposed to |
| 19:45.26 | valdyn | aFlag: like hardware damage? |
| 19:45.37 | aFlag | no, like system inconsistency |
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| 19:45.54 | aFlag | that can't easily be recovered |
| 19:46.04 | valdyn | aFlag: time your SIGKILL well and it won't recover |
| 19:46.26 | multi_io | valdyn: it should still be possible to program them in such a way that no inconsistencies occur even in the event of a sigkill |
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| 19:46.35 | aFlag | is there a safer way to make it stop? |
| 19:47.00 | valdyn | aFlag: just 'kill', never kill -9 |
| 19:47.14 | multi_io | I never had inconsistencies when C-c'ing apt-get |
| 19:47.19 | aFlag | hum |
| 19:47.26 | valdyn | multi_io: it sure is, and surely debian devs are aware, and are also aware that it bloat that we don't need |
| 19:47.29 | multi_io | C-c is SIGTERM not SIGKILL though |
| 19:47.44 | multi_io | *g* |
| 19:48.01 | malverian | How do I search by tag with APT? Eg. the tags that are displayed when you apt-cache show <pkg> |
| 19:48.05 | valdyn | multi_io: just what im saying |
| 19:48.06 | multi_io | those who use Emacs are on the path to redemption |
| 19:48.31 | JordiGH | multi_io: Are you feeling it, brother? Are you preaching its word? Are you typing in its holy name? |
| 19:48.49 | JordiGH | STEP INTO THE LIGHT! |
| 19:48.52 | multi_io | valdyn: are you just guessing or do you know how apt-get handles sigterm/sigkill? |
| 19:49.02 | test1234 | ban all |
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| 19:49.06 | aFlag | valdyn: so by killing with sigterm it will only stop when it's safe? |
| 19:49.41 | Decepticon | whats teh default action of sudo, if you mess up the password lots of times |
| 19:49.56 | Decepticon | or is that just for show counter |
| 19:49.58 | valdyn | aFlag: sigterm doesnt 'quit a process', it asks a process to shut down however it wants to. No process has to answer sigterm, well behaved programs do though |
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| 19:50.39 | aFlag | hum, emerge responded to sigterm, but it responded badly :P |
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| 19:51.36 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me where ( what chan ) i can ask question about tcpdump ? |
| 19:51.38 | valdyn | multi_io: programs dont get to 'handle' sigkill, they are just quit |
| 19:51.57 | JordiGH | This is rather distressing. Does Wikipedia use non-free software to render its PNG images from LaTeX markup in its mathematical articles? |
| 19:51.59 | multi_io | yeah, ok |
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| 19:52.22 | zinx | JordiGH: would it matter? |
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| 19:52.58 | JordiGH | zinx: Yes it would! Wikipedia shouldn't be using non-free software! Also, if it is using free software, I want to know what it is, because I need some .pngs too! |
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| 19:53.15 | valdyn | JordiGH: latex2html has no valid license? |
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| 19:53.38 | JordiGH | valdyn: I don't know what the license is, and I don't want to install it to check it, but it's in non-free. :-( |
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| 19:53.46 | zinx | JordiGH: wikipedia has a non-free BIOS on their servers. |
| 19:54.00 | tarzeau | zinx: which? |
| 19:54.15 | zinx | tarzeau: heck if i know, but all the useful BIOSes are non-free ;) |
| 19:54.16 | multi_io | valdyn: by "handling sigkill" I mean taking precautions to ensure that no inconsistencies occur in the event of a sigkill |
| 19:54.29 | tarzeau | zinx: there's at least one that's useful but free |
| 19:54.39 | zinx | tarzeau: it's useless because it doesn't run on any useful motherboard ;) |
| 19:54.40 | tarzeau | zinx: there's a gnu gpl vga bios somewhere |
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| 19:54.49 | valdyn | multi_io: it keeps a old db version as backup |
| 19:54.54 | tarzeau | zinx: it's used in some emulator |
| 19:55.05 | tarzeau | zinx: also parallels is using it |
| 19:55.07 | valdyn | multi_io: it does not perform atomic operations on that db though |
| 19:55.08 | tarzeau | or bootcamp |
| 19:55.14 | tarzeau | yeah it was bootcamp! |
| 19:55.24 | zinx | tarzeau: you sort of need an already functioning computer/video card to use either of those |
| 19:55.52 | zinx | tarzeau: so, i disqualify :) |
| 19:56.12 | multi_io | valdyn: and what about sigterm? |
| 19:56.25 | valdyn | multi_io: read the source code |
| 19:56.33 | multi_io | does it actively undo db changes in the event of a sigterm? |
| 19:56.43 | multi_io | hm, ok whatever |
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| 19:57.03 | tarzeau | zinx: ok |
| 19:57.14 | JordiGH | zinx: You're just trolling. The FSF also used non-free software because there wasn't anything to replace it, but I honestly have a hard time believing that there is no free software that will render pngs from LaTeX. |
| 19:57.18 | JordiGH | !info imgtex |
| 19:57.19 | dpkg | imgtex: (provides yet another math-on-the-web solution), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 0.20050123-4 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 19:57.31 | JordiGH | At least that one is free... but I've never used it. |
| 19:57.59 | multi_io | I had remarkably few (read: no) problems when C-c'ing apt-get, so I always suspected it uses some kind of transaction mechanism on the db to ensure consistency |
| 19:58.02 | zinx | JordiGH: i'm just pointing out that you don't have to be so fundamental that it's stupid |
| 19:58.50 | JordiGH | zinx: We should be using as much free software as possible, especially for an encyclopedia whose purpose is to disseminate knowledge itself (especially for *my* pet area, mathematics, heh) |
| 19:58.58 | multi_io | with transactions, you wouldn't need large atomic operations |
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| 20:00.22 | JordiGH | zinx: http://www.nature.com/nature/debates/e-access/Articles/stallman.html and http://www.gnu.org/education/education.html (yes, they're both RMS rants, but the man has a very valid point.) |
| 20:00.49 | zinx | JordiGH: the man is insane, and he's caved to binary-only video drivers too |
| 20:01.03 | JordiGH | zinx: Read him when he was sane, then. |
| 20:01.16 | PaSurf | Ideas on a simple text based backup tool which can do compression (tar) diffs or incrementals and is stable.... |
| 20:01.26 | zinx | JordiGH: he's never been sane ;) |
| 20:01.29 | JordiGH | zinx: Don Quixote was insane too, but that doesn't make his speech on arms and words any less erudite. |
| 20:02.08 | JordiGH | zinx: And read those two rants first. Then come again and tell me is out of his rocker again. |
| 20:02.29 | zinx | JordiGH: you're speaking to someone who's been a part of the 'community' a lot longer than you |
| 20:02.35 | JordiGH | zinx: Oh? |
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| 20:02.49 | JordiGH | We're being OT. |
| 20:03.40 | rahul | how can you say there's no free software to render pngs from latex? |
| 20:03.48 | JordiGH | rahul: Well, where is it? |
| 20:03.58 | rahul | JordiGH: gs doesn't work? |
| 20:03.59 | tarzeau | rahul: you can create a pdf from the latex, then convert the.pdf to.png |
| 20:04.07 | rahul | screw pdf |
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| 20:04.19 | JordiGH | rahul: How do I use ghostscript to do that? |
| 20:04.21 | rahul | pdf is a joke |
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| 20:04.25 | tarzeau | maybe there's dvitopng or something |
| 20:04.29 | rahul | JordiGH: tell it to render to png |
| 20:04.29 | JordiGH | rahul: How can I make an entire webpage out of my LaTeX doc? |
| 20:04.39 | tarzeau | rahul: i never said it's not a joke, i just told one way how it's possible |
| 20:04.52 | stew | JordiGH: just put <pre> at the top and </pre> at the bottem |
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| 20:04.53 | rahul | tarzeau: yeah, but there's non-joke alternatives :) |
| 20:04.56 | rahul | haha |
| 20:05.10 | PaSurf | what would be a better choice of backup options for debian (rsync, tar, duplicity(rsync)) etc? |
| 20:05.12 | rahul | JordiGH: well, I would use defdoc :) |
| 20:05.23 | rahul | JordiGH: but I haven't done the math environment for it :P |
| 20:05.54 | JordiGH | stew: I'll still have to escape HTML-specific symbols that way. ;-) |
| 20:06.04 | rahul | JordiGH: one line of code., |
| 20:06.35 | rahul | is hevea non-free? |
| 20:07.08 | JordiGH | Oh, it isn't! |
| 20:07.13 | JordiGH | And looks like it does what I want. |
| 20:07.14 | JordiGH | Thanks! |
| 20:07.19 | rahul | heh. |
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| 20:07.47 | valdyn | PaSurf: depends on what you need |
| 20:07.58 | fzzzt | whats the normal procedure for installing a php module? |
| 20:08.13 | stew | fzzzt: apt-get install php4-gd |
| 20:08.35 | stew | (for instance) |
| 20:08.58 | fzzzt | ok |
| 20:09.06 | PaSurf | valdyn: just something reliable and efficient...Nothing special but prefer something well known and stable. Well documented too.. Will be used for mostly debian backups but would be nice if it could also do win shares too |
| 20:09.38 | valdyn | PaSurf: if you reserver ~2x the space you want to backup for those backups, then dirvish can nicely do incremental backups for you |
| 20:09.48 | stew | yay dirvish! |
| 20:09.56 | valdyn | PaSurf: or even more space, depending how your data changes |
| 20:10.17 | fzzzt | hm don't think there's a package for this, will have to do it manually |
| 20:10.37 | helo | where can i get the debian logo to make a bootsplash image? |
| 20:10.51 | Ronin | helo: damn near anywhere on google |
| 20:10.58 | valdyn | PaSurf: or maybe mondo is more like what you need, i can hardly know |
| 20:11.01 | tarzeau | helo: www.debian.org/logos |
| 20:11.17 | tarzeau | helo: special logo http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian.png |
| 20:11.58 | DoppleGanger | tarzeau: what about a logo with my face included |
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| 20:12.10 | tarzeau | DoppleGanger: only if you ascend in nethack |
| 20:12.18 | stew | helo: http://debian.org/logos |
| 20:12.19 | dareth | I'm missing something obvious. |
| 20:12.40 | dareth | You add a user to a secondary group, they have permissions on some files/directories for that secondary group... |
| 20:12.57 | dareth | You execute a shell script interactively, all is good.. try running cron job by that user... all not so good. |
| 20:13.12 | valdyn | dareth: what's a secondary group? |
| 20:13.40 | helo | i remember seeing a black background debian logo somewhere... it was in some bootsplash logo competition |
| 20:13.40 | PaSurf | valdyn: ya, its hard to say, I had looked at Amanda, Bacula, etc and thought they where overkill. I only need to get simple backups in case of a hardware crash. But it's nice to get ideas on what everyone else (mostly) uses for reliable backup software. |
| 20:13.58 | dareth | when user created they belong to group of their name. |
| 20:14.12 | dareth | Permissions are set owner/group/other |
| 20:14.19 | valdyn | PaSurf: mondo is for restoring a complete system from scratch from cd or dvd |
| 20:14.33 | dareth | You add a user as a member of a secondary group so they can access those files... |
| 20:14.47 | dareth | you use newgrp to change from them, but it does not appear to work for cron jobs. |
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| 20:15.07 | PaSurf | valdyn: only complication I can see is the tape library. I have 7 tapes in a adic. But I want to walk before I run with this stuff |
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| 20:15.52 | PaSurf | valdyn: I (in the past) have mostly done partial restors (one or two files) etc. |
| 20:16.18 | valdyn | PaSurf: dirvish stores to random access storage, not useful for tapes |
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| 20:16.33 | PaSurf | valdyn: I was just checking out their website.. |
| 20:16.44 | PaSurf | valdyn: never heard of them before. |
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| 20:17.22 | PaSurf | valdyn: something like just a simple "tar" work? or do I need something alittle more complicated for the tape library? |
| 20:17.50 | valdyn | PaSurf: tar is fine |
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| 20:21.29 | znull | hello, this is the lasted kernel from debian 2.6.8-3-386? |
| 20:21.38 | tarzeau | znull: for sarge maybe |
| 20:21.53 | tarzeau | znull: using kernel-package you can easily do your own, latest linux kernel |
| 20:21.53 | znull | tarzeau: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l yeah |
| 20:22.28 | znull | tarzeau: that's a tool? |
| 20:22.53 | tarzeau | znull: yes |
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| 20:23.23 | znull | tarzeau: do i need to configure myself the kernel? or kernel-package does it know? |
| 20:23.38 | Seb | sup yall |
| 20:23.39 | tarzeau | znull: you'll need a linux kernel configuration file |
| 20:23.43 | tarzeau | znull: but i can give you one |
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| 20:23.55 | Seb | how do I check when was the last time an ext2/3 FS got fsck'ed ? |
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| 20:24.06 | tarzeau | znull: here's one http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.18.1/ |
| 20:24.10 | tarzeau | znull: without initrd |
| 20:24.19 | tarzeau | znull: same for 2.4 http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.4.34-pre4/ |
| 20:24.22 | znull | tarzeau: w8 |
| 20:24.28 | tarzeau | znull: i can create a 2.6.19 one if you want easily |
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| 20:27.12 | lilalinux | multi_io: `debian/rules source-all` seems to be what I was looking for |
| 20:27.49 | znull | tarzeau: http://dark-code.bulix.org/8w8we9-25395 |
| 20:28.21 | znull | tarzeau: it should be a server |
| 20:28.41 | tarzeau | znull: i can't connect |
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| 20:29.36 | znull | tarzeau: do you have some paste bin website? |
| 20:29.42 | CrippsFX | www.pastebin.com |
| 20:29.54 | CrippsFX | bah. |
| 20:29.57 | znull | not working very well |
| 20:30.06 | CrippsFX | yeah ... it's kinda slow .... |
| 20:30.19 | fzzzt | pastebin.ca is faster |
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| 20:30.21 | CrippsFX | http://pastebin.4programmers.net |
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| 20:30.30 | znull | tarzeau: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SuYJpN29.html |
| 20:30.30 | JordiGH | Hm, I found why latex2html is non-free. It restricts commercial use. Also, changes must be distributed as patches. |
| 20:30.33 | CrippsFX | fzzzt, sure is ... it's not loading for me right now though :/ |
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| 20:31.00 | tarzeau | znull: and how much memory? |
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| 20:31.09 | znull | tarzeau: 1gb ra |
| 20:31.14 | znull | tarzeau: 1gbram |
| 20:31.16 | tarzeau | k |
| 20:31.32 | znull | tarzeau: maybe you have kernels with grsecurity |
| 20:31.52 | basix | hi... is there anybody successfully running Debian with Intel DG965RY motherboards ( For Core 2 processors ). I've seen many complaining about the Linux compatibility of this board. I wont buy it if it doesnt run Linux! :P |
| 20:31.53 | tarzeau | znull: nah |
| 20:32.07 | basix | *Core 2 Duo |
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| 20:32.41 | JohnGH | Can anybody recommend a decent scanner (preferably USB) to buy that works with SANE or any other way on Deb ? |
| 20:32.54 | tarzeau | JohnGH: yeah, we use these at work: |
| 20:33.29 | znull | tarzeau or should I use http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.18.1/ ? |
| 20:33.30 | tarzeau | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04a9:221c Canon, Inc. |
| 20:33.37 | znull | tarzeau: damm it's for p4 |
| 20:33.43 | JohnGH | tarzeau: a Canon? |
| 20:33.55 | stew | znull: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 20:34.06 | stew | znull: use an official debian kernel |
| 20:34.09 | CrippsFX | I have an error from my /var/log/Xorg.log located here : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/NUMsJ763.html ... this is for my proprietary ati drivers, since I need 3d acceleration ... I followed the directions at this site (http://aquariusoft.org/page/linux/atidebian/) to install them. does anybody know how I could go about getting my 3d acceleration back? |
| 20:34.18 | JohnGH | CanoScan LiDE 60 ? |
| 20:34.24 | stew | znull: well an unoficial backport of an official kernel |
| 20:34.41 | tarzeau | JohnGH: canon lide, yeah i think 60 |
| 20:34.51 | tarzeau | cheap, and works. no external power (power over usb) |
| 20:34.58 | tarzeau | JohnGH: works on mac os x, linux AND windows |
| 20:35.06 | fzzzt | anyone know why the phpize command doesn't exist when php is installed? |
| 20:35.11 | tarzeau | JohnGH: i had to backport the sane stuff from etch though |
| 20:35.15 | znull | stew: should I install linux-image-2.6.18-1-686? ir k7 |
| 20:35.19 | tarzeau | (i took it from sid of course, many many months ago) |
| 20:35.32 | tarzeau | znull: wait, i build a 2.6.19 for 586 |
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| 20:35.42 | znull | tarzeau: ok |
| 20:35.44 | stew | znull: what cpu do you have? |
| 20:35.50 | fzzzt | hm must only be used to build it i guess |
| 20:36.00 | JohnGH | tarzeau: That's cool, I'm on Etch anyway |
| 20:36.00 | tarzeau | stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SuYJpN29.html |
| 20:36.02 | znull | stew: model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ (but's a i386 sistem) |
| 20:36.05 | helo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.40 | tarzeau | helo: what kernel? |
| 20:36.41 | JohnGH | I was looking at the 8400 which they have at work - it looks like a great scanner - but it doesn't work with SANE :( |
| 20:36.51 | helo | 2.6.18 |
| 20:36.51 | stew | tarzeau: if he uses your image, which initrd creator is he going to use? |
| 20:36.54 | tarzeau | JohnGH: no sane, no fun :( |
| 20:37.00 | tarzeau | stew: no initrd |
| 20:37.02 | stew | znull: k7 or k8 (though i don't know if bpo has k8 kernels) |
| 20:37.11 | JohnGH | it would be insane to buy a scanner that didn't :| |
| 20:37.18 | stew | tarzeau: your kenrel supports the controller for his root device? |
| 20:37.27 | tarzeau | stew: dunno, what root device does he have? |
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| 20:37.37 | znull | stew: i think i686 it's better |
| 20:37.49 | cld2 | is there a reason debian runs default in run level 2? |
| 20:37.54 | stew | tarzeau: i dunno, don't you think you should find out before you recommend a kernel that might not work? |
| 20:37.56 | tarzeau | stew: probably, but not sure |
| 20:38.11 | rahul | cld2: because that's the default. |
| 20:38.11 | tarzeau | stew: he can take the .config |
| 20:38.17 | tarzeau | znull: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.19/.config |
| 20:38.21 | tarzeau | znull: and make menuconfig on it |
| 20:38.26 | cld2 | rahul: so no reason I cant change it? |
| 20:38.27 | rahul | cld2: what do you want it to do? |
| 20:38.30 | tarzeau | znull: you'll need to have the nic + sata drivers enabled |
| 20:38.38 | stew | tarzeau: why would he prefer that over just using a debian kernel? |
| 20:38.39 | rahul | cld2: to what? |
| 20:38.40 | tarzeau | znull: then run: make-kpkg -rev ROFL.32 kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source kernel_doc |
| 20:38.45 | JordiGH | How can I compile assembler code_ |
| 20:38.46 | JordiGH | ? |
| 20:38.56 | cld2 | rahul: to 3 or 5, or does it not matter? |
| 20:38.57 | rahul | you don't compile assembler code |
| 20:39.05 | tarzeau | stew: debian's got the latest kernel? debian doesn't provide perfect kernels for all combinations of hardware |
| 20:39.08 | tarzeau | stew: i miss many of them |
| 20:39.09 | rahul | cld2: what do you expect will change if ytou use 3 or 5? |
| 20:39.23 | rahul | cld2: what do you want it to run, specifically? |
| 20:39.24 | kitche | cld2: gdm and such runs in runlevel 2 in debian |
| 20:39.36 | JohnGH | JordiGH: what format is it in? just in text as assembly language? |
| 20:39.47 | cld2 | kitche: thanks thats what I was wondering. |
| 20:39.52 | rahul | cld2: 2,3,4,5 are all the same by default. any difference is something you configure locally |
| 20:39.55 | stew | tarzeau: and yours is a better kernel for unknown hardware? |
| 20:39.58 | JordiGH | JohnGH: Yes. I think it compiles with MASM. :-/ |
| 20:40.00 | znull | tarzeau: should I modify something on that .config? |
| 20:40.08 | tarzeau | stew: look it works on all hardware that i need |
| 20:40.14 | tarzeau | stew: and it's not using crap initrd |
| 20:40.15 | JohnGH | JordiGH: on Windows? |
| 20:40.16 | rahul | JordiGH: what do you want to compile it to? |
| 20:40.19 | cld2 | rahul: I was just wondering if there was any type of difference between 2 3 and 5. I didnt know 2 would run gdm |
| 20:40.23 | cld2 | rahul: thanks |
| 20:40.26 | rahul | JordiGH: binary of what? |
| 20:40.27 | tarzeau | znull: yes, unpack the 2.6.19 kernel, copy the .config inside the dir |
| 20:40.28 | JohnGH | JordiGH: elf - for Linux? |
| 20:40.29 | JordiGH | JohnGH: Yes, on Windows. :-( |
| 20:40.30 | tarzeau | znull: run make menuconfig |
| 20:40.35 | JordiGH | Yes, elf, for Linux. |
| 20:40.37 | rahul | JordiGH: you want a windows executable? |
| 20:40.39 | JohnGH | well you can try nasm on Linux |
| 20:40.41 | JordiGH | It won't work, will it? |
| 20:40.42 | tarzeau | znull: then find your sata driver and nic driver (broadcom whatever) |
| 20:40.43 | rahul | JordiGH: no |
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| 20:40.49 | stew | tarzeau: why do you think znull should compile a new kernel? |
| 20:40.51 | tarzeau | znull: also set the exact cpu type |
| 20:40.53 | JohnGH | but it depends what it needs to do... you might need to change it a lot |
| 20:40.55 | rahul | JordiGH: the memory model is different, the OS is different. |
| 20:40.58 | JordiGH | rahul: registers, memory addresses, all in the wrong places? |
| 20:40.59 | znull | tarzeau: ok anything else? after make menuconfig ok |
| 20:41.00 | tarzeau | stew: why do you ask me such crap? |
| 20:41.08 | rahul | JordiGH: registers are registers... |
| 20:41.09 | AmGull | when i execute %fakeroot make-kpkg -revision=xxxxxx , to start compilation of my custom kernel i have got error messege -mkdir: cannot create directory `debian': Permission denied ? |
| 20:41.10 | tarzeau | znull: no, save it, and run the make-kpkg command i gave you |
| 20:41.14 | rahul | JordiGH: but they may be used differently |
| 20:41.18 | stew | tarzeau: becuase i don't think you are giving sound advice |
| 20:41.30 | JohnGH | JordiGH: Can you write asm yourself? or is it some windows code you just want to compile so it works on Linux? |
| 20:41.35 | stew | znull: why do you want to compile your own kernel instead of using a debian kernel? |
| 20:41.45 | JordiGH | JohnGH: It's a snake game a friend made and wants me to play it. |
| 20:41.56 | JohnGH | JordiGH: a snake game for Windows? |
| 20:41.58 | JordiGH | JohnGH: Nothing mission-critical. ;-) |
| 20:42.02 | tarzeau | stew: that's fine, anyone can give any advice here |
| 20:42.04 | JohnGH | or for DOS? |
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| 20:42.09 | JordiGH | JohnGH: I think it runs in a dox window... |
| 20:42.11 | JordiGH | dos |
| 20:42.26 | tarzeau | stew: i often disagree with your advices too |
| 20:42.26 | JohnGH | JordiGH - you'd be easiest to run a DOS emulator under Linux |
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| 20:42.43 | JordiGH | JohnGH: ooh.. good idea! But that still leaves the problem of compiling it. |
| 20:42.56 | JohnGH | The way that you write programs in a DOS environment is totally different - the way the program interacts with the system |
| 20:43.10 | NodoNogard | holas |
| 20:43.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: haha xrockman compiles in a second :) |
| 20:43.21 | JohnGH | Well you can probably cross-compile with nasm with DOS as your target environment... |
| 20:43.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: blinkenlights is 18mb source, and failed with just a make |
| 20:43.35 | JordiGH | JohnGH: Hm... let's try. |
| 20:43.40 | JohnGH | there is always freedos and compilers for that too like djgpp |
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| 20:44.04 | tarzeau | ah just some missing deps, let's see |
| 20:44.07 | JohnGH | don't take my word for it though - I've never tried |
| 20:44.19 | fzzzt | is there an easy way to find out which packages are installed or what version one is? this pkg i'm trying to add wants to upgrade libssl, but afaict libssl is the latest... |
| 20:44.28 | AmGull | what will happen if i run make-kpkg as root ? |
| 20:44.43 | stew | fzzzt: apt-cache policy packagename ; dpkg --list |
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| 20:45.05 | fzzzt | thanks |
| 20:45.08 | stew | AmGull: probably nothing, but why do anything as root when you don't have to? its more dangerous |
| 20:45.10 | JordiGH | Ooh, nasm seems to easily be able to generate DOS executables. |
| 20:45.23 | JohnGH | JoridGH :) |
| 20:45.32 | JohnGH | Jordi even |
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| 20:45.49 | JordiGH | JohnGH: Your name confuses me. ;-) |
| 20:45.54 | rahul | heh |
| 20:45.54 | AmGull | stew:when i execute %fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=xxxxxx , to start compilation of my custom kernel i have got error messege -mkdir: cannot create directory `debian': Permission denied ? |
| 20:45.54 | JohnGH | tsk |
| 20:46.09 | JohnGH | JordiGH why? John is easier than Jordi :P |
| 20:46.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: and xrockman sucks badly |
| 20:46.28 | JordiGH | What's GH? Also your initials? |
| 20:46.32 | asg | tarzeau: xabrotman is the bomb though |
| 20:46.33 | JohnGH | yes |
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| 20:47.02 | JordiGH | JohnGH: I'm afraid we must battle. Not enough room in this channel for two jgh's. |
| 20:47.04 | tarzeau | asg: hehe :) |
| 20:47.10 | JohnGH | HAHAHA |
| 20:47.13 | CrippsFX | okay ... so, I have the ati proprietary drivers installed the way it's described in "/msg dpkg fglrx" .... but "fglrxinfo" gives me: display: :0.0 screen: 0 OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1) ... does anybody know how I can get direct rendering working? |
| 20:47.15 | JohnGH | yay! A contest! |
| 20:47.38 | stew | AmGull: your user must not have privileges in the build directory |
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| 20:48.16 | PaSurf | AmGull: I just ran that same thing yesterday. I would assume you would need to run as root. |
| 20:48.35 | AmGull | stew:what i have to do - probably compile kernel as root ? |
| 20:48.39 | dc2447 | Guys - anyone got any views on if external sata hard disks should be reformatted to ext3 (or something not fat) when using with very low spec hardware? |
| 20:48.55 | itchi | AmGull: Need your user not to be are in the group of src?? |
| 20:49.01 | PaSurf | AmGull: are you upgrading your kernel? |
| 20:49.10 | JohnGH | Bloddy Latin Americans... you help them with their compiling problems and they repay you by wanting to do battle with you? Who do I look like? Zorro? |
| 20:49.29 | JohnGH | Bloody too ;) |
| 20:49.30 | JordiGH | Bwehehehe... |
| 20:49.33 | stew | AmGull: no, i'd recommend against compiling as root. is the directory owned by the group src? adduser username src ; then log out and back in |
| 20:49.51 | JordiGH | My name is Jordi Montoya. You took my username. Prepare to die. |
| 20:49.54 | stew | AmGull: or build it in your user's home directory |
| 20:49.57 | AmGull | no it is complelty new from www.kernel.org and patched by me with some patches |
| 20:50.01 | JohnGH | I knew you were going to say that ;) |
| 20:50.21 | PaSurf | Thats what I did, probably why no problems.. |
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| 20:50.36 | mcgreg | hi |
| 20:50.43 | PaSurf | AmGull: did you run oldconfig? |
| 20:51.03 | AmGull | stew:the directory is /usr/src/linux...... |
| 20:51.09 | mcgreg | is it normal when I play a video (mplayer, high res) I get about 60% cpu-load from X? even if I use XV (overlay) |
| 20:51.11 | PaSurf | AmGull: so you are upgrading your kernel... |
| 20:51.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: blinkenlights lostpixels compiled, i'll make a package and test it |
| 20:51.46 | AmGull | pPaSurf:no i compile new kernel |
| 20:51.50 | tarzeau | unpacked/built 43mb |
| 20:52.09 | PaSurf | AmGull: ooook |
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| 20:52.51 | itchi | AmGull: Add your user to the src group then |
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| 20:53.07 | JohnGH | tarzeau: do you mind if I msg you? |
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| 20:53.25 | tarzeau | JohnGH: no, go ahead |
| 20:53.37 | JohnGH | thanks |
| 20:53.40 | stew | AmGull: who put the kenel into /usr/src/linux? you should make your user be part of the src group, then have your user unpack into /usr/src/linux-2.6.x.x or whatever (you shouldn't be using /usr/src/linux without a version) |
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| 20:54.31 | n3kl | Hi |
| 20:54.31 | itchi | stew: Maybe these linux... ;-) |
| 20:54.38 | stew | itchi: what? |
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| 20:55.06 | itchi | stew: I guess he have linux-2.6.x.x but he have abrevate it with linux... |
| 20:55.48 | n3kl | I have just upgraded my kernel to the 2.6.19 and as a result broken my nvidia installation that I slaved over to get working on 2.6.17. Now I am trying to do this the debian way, through apt and everything. If I install a kernel-image out of apt, will it come with a config that I can replace with my own and rebuild? |
| 20:56.03 | n3kl | Will that be the same kernel-image and comply with the nvidia crap? |
| 20:57.08 | PaSurf | are there any nvidia options in the menuconfig for the kernel? |
| 20:57.26 | n3kl | I downloaded the nvidia-source that dpkg refered me to, installed it and I could not compile it. I think because I am running 2.6.19, which has no apt associated package |
| 20:57.33 | n3kl | PaSurf: no |
| 20:57.39 | n3kl | not that I am aware of anyway |
| 20:57.40 | JordiGH | JohnGH: First time I notice you. |
| 20:57.44 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 20:58.01 | PaSurf | I wounder if 18.5 will have same issues? |
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| 20:58.25 | PaSurf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.52 | n3kl | I await the day when apt catches up with the graphics hardware. in the mean time, I will do what I do |
| 20:59.15 | n3kl | I would not even bother to upgrade the kernel, except that one item in that was changed, is something that I use and need |
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| 20:59.17 | PaSurf | I assume most would say keep trying till you find a kernel that supports it. |
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| 20:59.49 | n3kl | PaSurf: do you know if I install an image from apt, if I can recompile that kernel? |
| 21:00.19 | n3kl | and when the resulting .deb is installed, will that be looked at as the same kernel? |
| 21:00.45 | rahul | hmm, setxkb is so fooked |
| 21:00.50 | rahul | how is it supposed to work? |
| 21:01.01 | PaSurf | n3kl: not sure |
| 21:01.04 | rahul | when did it change? |
| 21:01.11 | n3kl | PaSurf: ok, well, thanks |
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| 21:01.22 | n3kl | anyone else? |
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| 21:01.54 | PaSurf | If you uninstall the image you can go back into the menuconfig and select the options |
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| 21:04.30 | PaSurf | n3kl: I see what you mean, I am not sure, I wonder if it acutally creates another instance of the kernel version you are using.. |
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| 21:04.43 | PaSurf | n3kl: I would be interested to see how that works |
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| 21:05.05 | drbair_work | im using debian etch and I can't get php+apache2 working properly, I have installed libapache2-mod-php. I get a directory listing and it asks me to DL if i select index.php. apache2 -M confirms php5_module and dir_module are loaded. Ideas? |
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| 21:06.10 | JordiGH | Hm. Anyone got kbfx working? |
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| 21:09.01 | itchi | drbair_work: Check your apache config ;-) |
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| 21:11.49 | znull | lilo, and I got Warning: Unable to determine video adapter in use in the present system. Added Lin_2.6.8img0 * (anyway I have on lilo.conf vga=normal) |
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| 21:14.59 | JohnGH | laters all |
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| 21:16.04 | helo | if i modify a gpl'd image, and i put it on display in a public place, what obligations under the gpl do i have? |
| 21:16.27 | helo | i'm not redistributing copies of my changes, so do i have no obligations? |
| 21:16.38 | helo | well, not redistributing them to others... |
| 21:17.07 | helo | gpl seems to not make sense when applied to art |
| 21:17.27 | rhalff | yeah, there is creative commons license for that I think. |
| 21:17.46 | helo | but nevertheless, there is tons of art released under the gpl |
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| 21:18.46 | rhalff | i guess you have to notify the creator, if that's at all possible. |
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| 21:19.14 | dogmeat | how can i mount a remote linux file system ? |
| 21:19.36 | helo | mount /remote/linux/file/system |
| 21:19.56 | itchi | dogmeat: See sshfs |
| 21:19.57 | rahul | I didn't know there was a protocol called "linux file system" |
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| 21:20.03 | helo | oh heh mb |
| 21:20.06 | rhalff | ah yes, that was my question also, kinda :p |
| 21:20.08 | itchi | !info sshfs |
| 21:20.12 | rahul | haha |
| 21:20.17 | dpkg | sshfs: (filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
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| 21:20.30 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 21:20.35 | rahul | haha |
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| 21:20.53 | rahul | he's actually gonna use it |
| 21:20.59 | drbair_work | itchi: apache config looks good... its pretty generic minus a single alias I threw in. PHP added itself in and it looks OK too |
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| 21:22.08 | rhalff | say I copy /var to /var.new and then want to umount /var, rmdir /var; mv /var.new /var how would I do that ? i have to do it remotely, but /var is always busy; ah and varrun and varlock are also mounted within /var |
| 21:22.27 | rahul | I canNOT figure out how to use setxkbmap properly |
| 21:22.36 | rahul | I just do random shit till it works. this is ridiculous |
| 21:22.41 | rhalff | reason: I need the partition that /var is using. |
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| 21:24.22 | rhalff | hm I could execute it just before a reboot |
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| 21:26.43 | geekboi | I have what I think is a fairly simple question, but, I can't figure it out. If I've initiated an ssh session and forwarded X from my Sun workstation at work to my personal debian box elsewhere, how do I figure out what my display is? It's not automagically set, what would it be? |
| 21:27.02 | JordiGH | geekboi: ssh -X |
| 21:27.03 | sxpert | I just installed etch, and have a problem with X. It can't find /dev/input/mice (I checked, it's not there)... |
| 21:27.10 | geekboi | JordiGH: Right. I'm doing that |
| 21:27.21 | JordiGH | I think you can also do sshx |
| 21:27.23 | geekboi | JordiGH: But, DISPLAY isn't being set |
| 21:27.26 | itchi | geekboi: Or setup the config of ssh to allow that default |
| 21:28.00 | abrotman | geekboi: echo $DISPLAY ? |
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| 21:28.26 | geekboi | abrotman: Nothing's there. |
| 21:28.58 | itchi | geekboi: Have you played with that variable just before? And mess it a bit?? |
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| 21:29.54 | geekboi | itchi: I tried DISPLAY=localhost:10.0 since that's what I get with doing ssh -X to another Solaris box here, but, no dice on the debian box |
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| 21:30.34 | geekboi | I've also done xhost + on my Sun box |
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| 21:31.08 | Volker | hello! can anybody tell me, if the official release of "etch" (stable) on DVD will support ipw2200 cards during the instalation? |
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| 21:32.03 | umesh | I can only connect to debian server using 'sftp', how can I change to normal ftp so other users can access with the ftp client |
| 21:32.04 | CrippsFX | has anybody here tried to install the ati proprietary drivers in the past little while and still only ended up getting mesa indirect rendering? |
| 21:32.12 | itchi | Volker: On an Etch box, i try modprobe -l *iwp2200* and get no output |
| 21:32.30 | moshii | geekboi: you've turn it on in the ssd config right? |
| 21:32.36 | itchi | Volker: Sorry, there is, did typo ^ :-) |
| 21:32.36 | moshii | geekboi: *sshd |
| 21:32.39 | CrippsFX | umesh, you might try installing an ftp server on the box ... sftp is just an "ftp-like" client for ssh |
| 21:32.55 | itchi | Volker: I get /lib/modules/2.6.17-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
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| 21:34.06 | itchi | Volker: Now, need to see if it's in the default kernel |
| 21:34.06 | Volker | itchi: so the official dvds will support thes card during instalation? |
| 21:34.06 | DomL_1 | what is command to send messages to people who are connected to a server via ssh telnet |
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| 21:34.16 | itchi | Volker: /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko |
| 21:34.20 | geekboi | moshii: Oh weird. I'd enabled it previously. Must've gotten reverted when I upgraded ssh |
| 21:34.29 | itchi | Volker: Looks like it should |
| 21:34.57 | moshii | geekboi: maybe you said yes when dpkg asked if you wanted to replace you conf file? |
| 21:34.57 | Volker | itchi: thank you! |
| 21:35.07 | itchi | Volker: ;-) |
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| 21:36.12 | itchi | Volker: I have try to show you the way how you can find it out |
| 21:36.59 | Volker | itcht: I'm a debian beginner :) |
| 21:37.09 | itchi | Volker: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 21:37.16 | geekboi | moshii: Very possible |
| 21:37.58 | sxpert | what protocol should be used for your basic USB wheelmouse ? |
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| 21:38.33 | moshii | sxpert: I think explorer ps/2 works for just about everything |
| 21:38.54 | moshii | sxpert: at least that's ant i have with a usb mouse and trackpad |
| 21:38.58 | Volker | itchi: I yust istalled Sarge an my Laptop and it turned aut to be a litle bit difficult |
| 21:39.06 | moshii | sxpert: /s/ant/what |
| 21:39.13 | sohmestra | what's the complement to basename? I can't think of it for the life of me. basepath? pathname? |
| 21:39.23 | sxpert | moshii: I have a problem too in that I don't get a /dev/input/micr |
| 21:39.26 | sxpert | mice even |
| 21:39.33 | itchi | sxpert: Is it not mousedev ? |
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| 21:39.44 | moshii | Volker: wireless is generally difficult in linux full stop |
| 21:39.57 | moshii | sxpert: 2.4 or 2.6 kerbnel? |
| 21:40.03 | sxpert | itchi: no idea, it's my first debian install in 10 years or so |
| 21:40.07 | sxpert | 2.6 |
| 21:40.09 | Volker | moshii: 2.6 |
| 21:40.16 | Volker | moshii: 2.6sorry :) |
| 21:40.23 | sohmestra | ah. it's dirname |
| 21:40.32 | itchi | sxpert: I have here an USB mouse, and mousedev is used tell lsmod me |
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| 21:40.50 | moshii | sxpert: lsmod | grep inputdev |
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| 21:41.11 | moshii | I think you need mousedev, inputdev and evdev |
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| 21:41.19 | moshii | lots of devs.. |
| 21:41.21 | stew | Volker: that card cannot be supported by the debian installer becuase that card requires non-free firmware to use it |
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| 21:42.08 | itchi | Volker: You will see, it will easier to easier. You just need to know how it goes. Yeah, maybe a bit difficult in the begin, but you gona see, it's many more easy in general than MS Windows. At least when you have some troubles, you can trace it an troubleshoot it many many better on an GNU/Linux box |
| 21:42.09 | Volker | stew: so what do i have to do to make it work? |
| 21:42.10 | tarzeau | do you still need the better kernel? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.19/ |
| 21:42.53 | stew | Volker: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 21:42.54 | itchi | hhhmm, that's sad, these story about firmware, shit |
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| 21:43.33 | moshii | I dunno why the firmware isn't just on a flashrom |
| 21:43.48 | Volker | itchi: i'm new to linux, but new to debian. :) |
| 21:44.00 | sxpert | I don't have inputdev |
| 21:44.21 | moshii | sxpert: what does dmesg say when you plug in a usb mouse? |
| 21:44.33 | moshii | sxpert: hotplug or someone should be loading this stuff for you :) |
| 21:44.41 | Volker | itchi: i'm new to debian, but not to linux. :) |
| 21:44.46 | sxpert | moshii: ok. mousedev did the trick. how do I make loading it permanent ? |
| 21:44.49 | rahul | moshii: it would reduce their profit margins by 20%, or something... |
| 21:44.50 | itchi | stew: Yeah, we still need network or USB key or whatever to put that firmware on the comp?? |
| 21:45.00 | moshii | sxpert: stick it in /etc/modules |
| 21:45.15 | moshii | rahul: oh dear |
| 21:45.32 | stew | itchi: and the cds containing kernel headers / build-essential / module-assistant / ipw2200-source |
| 21:45.36 | moshii | rahul: yet they make wireless dongles with a cdrom emulator built in :p |
| 21:45.45 | rahul | heh |
| 21:45.54 | rahul | that's a FEATURE, tho |
| 21:46.08 | rahul | it provides a REAL improvement in the user EXPERIENCE |
| 21:46.23 | itchi | stew: So it can be are done, just not in an easy way for an beginner?? |
| 21:46.32 | moshii | rahul: like the thing isisting on installing broken drivers haha |
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| 21:47.10 | itchi | stew: I'm interesting for my ipw3945 and the article i write about my laptop |
| 21:47.25 | stew | itchi: you need to be able to follow the instructions in /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 21:47.25 | moshii | wouldn't putting the firmware on flash reduce the power consumed too.. |
| 21:47.40 | itchi | stew: Yup, have look to it, so it can be done, then |
| 21:47.45 | rahul | moshii: the manufacturer doesn't pay the electric bill |
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| 21:48.04 | Volker | itchi: so is it the fault of the manufacturer? |
| 21:48.14 | moshii | rahul: yeah, but "we give you .1% longer battery life" is something you can sell ;) |
| 21:48.20 | rahul | heh |
| 21:48.39 | itchi | Volker: hahe ;-) |
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| 21:49.29 | Volker | itchi: This is turning me crazy... |
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| 21:49.44 | Kornl | hi, i need to set proxy in apt, i dont remembet command, help!11 |
| 21:49.56 | itchi | Volker: Wait ;-) |
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| 21:50.05 | rahul | Kornl: LooooooLLLLlllLLLLL!!!~~~12`1223 |
| 21:50.08 | itchi | stew: dpkg confuse me ... ipw2200 firmware is probably If your kernel is < 2.6.15 |
| 21:50.15 | itchi | stew: Etch have .16 |
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| 21:50.25 | stew | itchi: all versions of ipw2200 require firmware |
| 21:50.34 | itchi | stew: hhhm, ok get it ;-) |
| 21:50.35 | rahul | Kornl: don't go crazy when you're asking for help, please. |
| 21:50.39 | stew | Volker: well the manufacturer isn't releasing the firmware in a form that debian is interested in distributing (/msg dpkg dfsg) ; other distros might be more willing to distribute the non-free firmware |
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| 21:50.53 | rahul | Kornl: man apt.proxy |
| 21:51.02 | stew | itchi: etch has .17 ; if you are on 2.6.17 you don't have to build the driver, but you still have to download and install firmware |
| 21:51.30 | itchi | stew: Yeah, crap of manufacture :-( |
| 21:51.40 | Volker | stew: what does firmware mean? |
| 21:51.58 | MoDaX | is anyone here using amarok under gnome? |
| 21:52.45 | itchi | Volker: Maybe will that help you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware |
| 21:53.10 | Volker | itchi: thanks! |
| 21:53.11 | stew | Volker: that's a point of major contention in debian. in general is some binary dump of register states of the device that gets loaded by the driver to bootstrap the hardware. the reason its a point of contention is that some people think that by calling it firmware you can try to not consider it software, others consider all things non-hardware to be software |
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| 21:54.32 | Kornl | rahul: No manual entry for apt.proxy |
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| 21:54.52 | LookTJ | Hi |
| 21:54.54 | rahul | Kornl: oops man apt.conf |
| 21:55.23 | LookTJ | i need some help with installing debian |
| 21:55.33 | LookTJ | on a wireless computer |
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| 21:56.48 | schme | LookTJ: netinstall? What wireless card? |
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| 21:57.12 | Volker | stew: So the firmware is provided by the manufacturer? |
| 21:57.40 | LookTJ | the install has it on eth0 and i don't see option for eth1 |
| 21:58.04 | rahul | LookTJ: did you load the driver for the wireless adapter? |
| 21:58.35 | LookTJ | i don't know |
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| 21:58.47 | stew | Volker: yes, and is availalbe from ipw2200.sf.net |
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| 21:59.00 | LookTJ | btw it's an intel 2200BG |
| 21:59.03 | LookTJ | i think |
| 21:59.20 | schme | LookTJ: Ok. You have a problem then :) To get it working you need to download some firmware from the internet. |
| 21:59.36 | rahul | heh |
| 21:59.37 | stew | LookTJ: you cannot use an intell 2200bg with the debian installer becuase that device cannot be run without non-free firmware |
| 21:59.43 | cappicrd | hey |
| 21:59.51 | bkw | Anyone who knows if there're any difference (performance improvment) using intel drivers from intellinuxgraphics.org compared to Xorg. The driver I use is i810, and card is Intel855GM. |
| 21:59.55 | cappicrd | secret |
| 21:59.57 | Volker | stew: Amd it's not under GPL, i guess ? |
| 21:59.58 | rahul | how do we know there is source for the firmware? |
| 22:00.17 | LookTJ | brb |
| 22:00.18 | itchi | cappicrd: Was that the passwd? |
| 22:00.22 | schme | LookTJ: If you can plug it in somewhere with regular ethernet and do the install that way.. you can get the wifi working |
| 22:00.29 | rahul | or is it a derived works restriction? |
| 22:00.40 | stew | Volker: no. if it were, it would be part of the kernel and the debian installer. it comes with a license that is very far from gpl |
| 22:00.47 | LookTJ | ok plugin into my router ethernet port? |
| 22:01.14 | schme | LookTJ: Exactly. and install using eth0. When all that is done you need to download the firmware to get the wireless working |
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| 22:02.03 | Volker | stew: So i've the manufacturer is the problem... |
| 22:02.06 | Kornl | echh, i can set proxy in apt, there was other command... |
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| 22:02.19 | Kornl | cant |
| 22:02.20 | sxpert | ok. got this to work |
| 22:02.21 | Kornl | suxx |
| 22:02.23 | Kornl | :( |
| 22:02.35 | sxpert | now... How do I get a more recent gnome (2.16 anyone ?) |
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| 22:02.56 | stew | Volker: yes, they are not willing to open up the driver so that people can develop free firmware and they explicitly forbid reverse engineering of their formware |
| 22:03.03 | stew | s/driver/hardware/ |
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| 22:03.23 | Volker | stew: ...im sure they are payed by mircrosoft fot this... |
| 22:03.33 | stew | Volker: i doubt it |
| 22:03.57 | itchi | That's sad |
| 22:03.58 | stew | Volker: note that the driver is GPL |
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| 22:04.30 | mz_work | cpu - amd64 3200, OS - Debian Sid, Arch - i686 - I'd like to build an amd64 kernel - do I need to run x86_64 to build a kernel for amd64? tried to feed make-kpkg --arch amd64 but make errors out w/ /bin/sh: amd64-linux-gcc: command not found |
| 22:04.45 | Volker | stew: But you need driver AND firmware? |
| 22:04.51 | stew | yes |
| 22:05.02 | rahul | mz_work: you need to install the 64-bit compiler |
| 22:05.07 | rahul | cross-compiler, moreover |
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| 22:05.12 | itchi | Volker: These know how these can play with us ass |
| 22:05.32 | Volker | stew: Now the mist fading... |
| 22:05.42 | Guerin | itchi: perhaps you might try not doing lines and bong hits when on irc |
| 22:05.57 | Guerin | i know it's less fun that way |
| 22:06.11 | Guerin | but it might make you more unincomprehensible |
| 22:06.19 | itchi | Guerin: Ba, i don care, read some man pages, there are not always nice to with the language. |
| 22:06.41 | Guerin | i don't care wither, i like deciphering mangulated language |
| 22:06.46 | Guerin | i just thought, in general... |
| 22:07.07 | mz_work | rahul, debian package name is?? |
| 22:07.13 | rahul | mz_work: not sure |
| 22:07.20 | mz_work | ok thanks for the pointer |
| 22:07.25 | itchi | Guerin: Have you an alarm for some words? |
| 22:07.32 | stew | mz_work: ask #debian-amd64 |
| 22:07.33 | bokey | itchi, hi =) |
| 22:07.36 | stew | Guerin: itchi: please use ignore |
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| 22:07.45 | itchi | sorry |
| 22:07.45 | bokey | all the regulars are here. oooooo =) |
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| 22:07.47 | mz_work | stew, tx |
| 22:07.50 | Guerin | stew: you mistake my japery with hostility |
| 22:07.50 | bokey | Guerin, hi =) |
| 22:07.51 | stew | mz_work: i don't believe debian packages any cross compilers |
| 22:07.57 | Guerin | s/with/for/ |
| 22:07.58 | rahul | stew: it does |
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| 22:08.07 | rahul | stew: well, maybe not for x86_64 |
| 22:08.25 | rahul | gcc-m68hc1x - GNU C compiler for the Motorola 68HC11/12 processors |
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| 22:09.08 | stew | Guerin: please refrain from japery and hostility |
| 22:09.21 | Guerin | stew: #debian without japery is a sad and lonesome thing |
| 22:09.37 | stew | Guerin: go find somewhere less sad and lonesome then |
| 22:09.46 | bokey | Is debhelper working today ? |
| 22:10.22 | ttick | who |
| 22:10.26 | ttick | mistell |
| 22:10.35 | rahul | stew is stewing |
| 22:11.14 | bokey | itchi, pitchi.. =) |
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| 22:11.42 | Volker | Another general question: I'm running a 1280x800 LCD... can i change the resolution of the display, for the case i'm not using the X-Server? |
| 22:11.58 | Guerin | Volker: more detail |
| 22:12.03 | itchi | Volker: That screen resolution is only for X |
| 22:12.12 | Marupa | I've heard of a way to resize a partition on a drive in single user mode that allows no data to be lost. Is that true, if so, how do I do it? |
| 22:12.24 | Guerin | Volker: you can't change the resolution of an LCD display much without it looking ugly, but you can have various profiles set up for different displays |
| 22:12.24 | itchi | s/resolution/dimension/ |
| 22:12.28 | bokey | Guerin, itchi hi =) |
| 22:12.32 | Guerin | bokey: kia ora |
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| 22:12.43 | montoya | http://rafb.net/paste/results/apvLR746.html |
| 22:12.46 | itchi | bokey: Sorry, hehe. Hello man ;-) |
| 22:13.01 | bokey | itchi, =) |
| 22:13.08 | n3kl | Anyone know where I could find help on novell? |
| 22:13.12 | LinuxHelp | Er, dpkg is playing dumb with me on this one: what is the recommended way to install Google Earth on Debian Testing? I've installed the "googleearth-package" not really sure what to do next. |
| 22:13.19 | Guerin | Marupa: i expect gparted or similar can do this, for some filesystems. |
| 22:13.30 | montoya | http://rafb.net/paste/results/X35Mjh73.html |
| 22:13.32 | Guerin | n3kl: by calling 1-800-novell? |
| 22:13.40 | x_link | Hi Guerin ! |
| 22:13.42 | itchi | n3kl: On #windows |
| 22:13.50 | Guerin | x_link: ni hao |
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| 22:13.59 | sohmestra | is there a way to make thunderbird "reply to list" rather than all or the sender? |
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| 22:14.10 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: you've installed it? From where? Is it in debian? |
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| 22:14.17 | x_link | Guerin: I'm having some problems =/ |
| 22:14.18 | RichiH | n3kl: #novell and #suse |
| 22:14.20 | bokey | debhelper, latest kernel ? |
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| 22:14.24 | x_link | And I can't change it back =/ |
| 22:14.29 | Guerin | sohmestra: #thunderbird irc.mozilla.org |
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| 22:14.33 | cydork | LinuxHelp: dpkg -L googleearth-package |
| 22:14.35 | Acid | hi |
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| 22:14.38 | Volker | Guerin: I now... im talking about the boot screen for exaple... can i change the resolution of the login shells |
| 22:14.38 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, googleearth-package is just a packaging tool to package debian |
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| 22:14.39 | Guerin | x_link: exaplin |
| 22:14.43 | sohmestra | Guerin: thanks. my bad. |
| 22:14.45 | Acid | hey i need help |
| 22:14.46 | LinuxHelp | *er to package google |
| 22:14.47 | cydork | LinuxHelp: there is something make-googleearth or something |
| 22:14.59 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: oh, ok. It'll be documented in /usr/share/doc/googleearth-package |
| 22:15.11 | Acid | anybody know how to configure an ldap server in debian? |
| 22:15.13 | n3kl | Thanks |
| 22:15.23 | pedja | HI all |
| 22:15.37 | LinuxHelp | ls /usr/share/doc/googleearth-package/ changelog.gz copyright |
| 22:15.41 | bokey | does anyone know if debhelper is in good mood today ? |
| 22:15.44 | Guerin | Acid: no, you're breaking virgin ground/ All those tens of thousands who've done it before suffer amnesia as a consequence of having to use ldap. |
| 22:15.44 | Acid | no? |
| 22:15.58 | itchi | n3kl: You need to play with /msg chanserv list *foo* |
| 22:15.58 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: oh. |
| 22:16.07 | thelostbutler | Acid: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LDAP-HOWTO/ |
| 22:16.16 | Volker | My problem ist that my 2800x800 display looks realy bad without the use of X |
| 22:16.20 | Acid | thanks |
| 22:16.24 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: ygaigam then. Try dpkg -L googleearth-package and see if there's something in bin or some manpages |
| 22:16.26 | cydork | LinuxHelp: try what i said.. i am not sure about the name but it's make-google something |
| 22:16.29 | itchi | Volker: Chars tooo big? |
| 22:16.37 | Volker | 1280x800 |
| 22:16.42 | Guerin | Volker: oh, i see what you want. |
| 22:16.49 | Volker | this is the right number |
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| 22:16.52 | itchi | Volker: The characters are to big without X? |
| 22:16.56 | Guerin | Volker: pass a vga= line in grub |
| 22:17.04 | Volker | itchi: YES! |
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| 22:17.04 | jelly | Volker: you want a framebuffer console |
| 22:17.10 | thelostbutler | Volker: are you using framebuffer ? there are different font sizes that you can set if i am not wrong |
| 22:17.13 | itchi | Volker: Listen to Guerin ;-) |
| 22:17.20 | Guerin | Volker: not sure what 1200x800 would be, but 1024x768 is 791, for instance |
| 22:17.22 | LinuxHelp | cydork, nope nothing comes up in search |
| 22:17.26 | odla | alway listen to Guerin |
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| 22:17.36 | itchi | odla: :-p |
| 22:17.43 | LinuxHelp | Ah.. /usr/bin/make-googleearth-package |
| 22:17.52 | bokey | =) |
| 22:18.07 | cydork | LinuxHelp: heh :P |
| 22:18.08 | Guerin | bokey: itchi is the one talking like yoda |
| 22:18.08 | Volker | Guerin: ist there an cinfig file? |
| 22:18.15 | bokey | Guerin, hehe.. |
| 22:18.17 | JordiGH | Hm, I have an assembly source file that I suspet was compiled with MASM. Is there a way to get this to cross compile in Linux for DOS? nasm doesn't seem to be able to parse the file. |
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| 22:18.23 | Volker | ...config file |
| 22:18.27 | madriss | trying to install debian from minimal CD, and it keeps getting stuck at Testing apt sources 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (1.0.0.0)] (linux n00b lol) |
| 22:18.27 | bokey | Guerin, yoda master must you be. =) |
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| 22:18.50 | Guerin | Volker: no. You can google up the numbers, or i think there's a userspace app you can use ... svgatextmode or such |
| 22:19.14 | madriss | i can set apt source as FTP or Cdrom and it'll work, but then when it gets to this bit it just stops it doesn't seem to connect to security.debian.org |
| 22:19.18 | bokey | itchi, debhelper not in good mood today ? |
| 22:19.32 | itchi | bokey: Want to flood the channel?? ;-) |
| 22:19.46 | bokey | itchi, well I want to know about latest kernel. |
| 22:19.46 | Guerin | madriss: your dns is not set up correctly |
| 22:19.49 | bokey | =) |
| 22:19.59 | Guerin | madriss: unless your nameserver is really 1.0.0.0 |
| 22:20.02 | Volker | thanks to all! bye! |
| 22:20.04 | madriss | everything else seems to work :s how can i setup my dns? |
| 22:20.08 | itchi | bokey: ug, use dpkg?? |
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| 22:20.19 | bokey | itchi, ahh.. forgot about our little dpkg =) |
| 22:20.53 | itchi | bokey: And apt, when the you need the reserve wheel |
| 22:20.59 | itchi | shit |
| 22:21.06 | Guerin | madriss: if you can get a console (try hitting alt+f2), edit /etc/resolv.conf and add the line 'nameserver 4.2.2.2' as the only line |
| 22:21.21 | bokey | itchi, thanks but dpkg doesn't seem to know about latest kernel |
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| 22:21.44 | Guerin | bokey: /msg dpkg kernel doesn't work? |
| 22:21.55 | madriss | how do i get into edit it? sorry im new to this |
| 22:22.00 | madriss | tryin to setup my first linux desktop :P |
| 22:22.02 | bokey | Guerin, worked now. =) |
| 22:22.10 | madriss | i got console up not sure how to edit that file |
| 22:22.11 | Guerin | madriss: try 'nano /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:22.12 | Guerin | ' |
| 22:22.14 | madriss | thanks |
| 22:22.23 | Guerin | not sure what the installer has |
| 22:22.37 | madriss | it says |
| 22:22.38 | madriss | search |
| 22:22.41 | madriss | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:22.43 | JordiGH | Actually, what assembler is Microsoft using nowadays? |
| 22:23.05 | bokey | JordiGH, tasm or something ? |
| 22:23.07 | cydork | JordiGH: what makes you think that we know that? :P |
| 22:23.08 | Guerin | madriss: ok. Are you connected directly to the web, or through a gateway? |
| 22:23.16 | bokey | JordiGH, nasm i guess. |
| 22:23.20 | madriss | er through a router |
| 22:23.24 | madriss | just standard router |
| 22:23.41 | madriss | 192.168.1.1 is the router's ip |
| 22:24.14 | Guerin | madriss: ok. Try changing that ip to 4.2.2.2 in resolv.conf |
| 22:24.32 | Guerin | madriss: bah, wait |
| 22:24.37 | Guerin | try to ping 4.2.2.2 first |
| 22:24.47 | madriss | can i do that from this machine |
| 22:24.48 | Guerin | if it succeeds, then change |
| 22:25.09 | madriss | succeeded from this one i'l try it |
| 22:25.09 | Guerin | you need to try the ping from the new debian machine |
| 22:25.16 | madriss | oh right lol |
| 22:25.19 | madriss | ok |
| 22:25.19 | JordiGH | bokey: I just tried nasm. Didn't work. Isn't tasm by Borland? |
| 22:25.29 | Guerin | it's testing whether there's actually a live net connection |
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| 22:25.42 | JordiGH | cydork: I dunno... I was hoping someone would have some idea how to compile this assembly source file I have. :-/ |
| 22:25.54 | Guerin | JordiGH: toresbe |
| 22:26.02 | Flimzy | Is there a way to feed a list of specific pacakges to mirror to debpartial-mirror? |
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| 22:26.16 | madriss | ok pretty sure 4.2.2.2 works ok, but it doesn't let me save the resolv.conf because the permissions are wrong |
| 22:26.23 | bkhl | Are there any special considerations to take into account if I want to use PPTP to connect a server to the internet, and then masquerade another machine behind that server? |
| 22:26.23 | bkhl | Because I seem to have everything working on the server, but when I do, the masqueraded machine refuses to connect to anything. |
| 22:27.21 | JordiGH | Oh, hey! |
| 22:27.23 | Flimzy | bkhl: do you have ip forwarding enabled? |
| 22:27.24 | JordiGH | That's an idea. |
| 22:27.26 | madriss | nm my fault i wasnt logged in as route |
| 22:27.31 | itchi | madriss: As root user, modify it |
| 22:27.38 | madriss | root rather** |
| 22:27.55 | Guerin | the installer should run as root |
| 22:27.58 | bkhl | Flimzy: I'm assuming that, since it works fine as long as I don't use PPTP to connect to the net on the server. |
| 22:28.00 | Guerin | so I don't get that |
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| 22:28.22 | madriss | when i went to console it asked me to login and i shudv logged in as root |
| 22:28.25 | Guerin | madriss: in any case, the installer should have asked you for a dns server, and you should have told it that number (or your real dns server) |
| 22:28.34 | madriss | ah right |
| 22:28.46 | madriss | how do i get out of this to try the apt thing again? |
| 22:29.03 | Guerin | alt-f1? |
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| 22:29.22 | madriss | now its come up debian software selection |
| 22:29.25 | madriss | that mean its working i guess |
| 22:29.34 | Guerin | dunno |
| 22:29.39 | madriss | mail server or manual package selection are the choices |
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| 22:30.15 | madriss | well its doing something anyway thanks for ur help lol. i'll hang around incase i get stuck again thanks :D |
| 22:30.25 | Flimzy | bkhl: Just because ipforwarding is enabled on, say, eth0, doesn't mean it's enabled on your pptp device. |
| 22:30.34 | bkhl | Ah. |
| 22:30.44 | bkhl | I'll look into that. |
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| 22:31.22 | streuner | you should read ig about |
| 22:31.55 | streuner | hm, doesn't only .at use pptp? |
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| 22:33.57 | rahul | nope |
| 22:34.10 | rahul | lots of crap use spptp |
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| 22:35.47 | madriss | hmm i used pppoeconf, and then i got this: Sorry, I scanned 1 interface, but the Access Concentrator of your provider did not respond. Please check your network model cables. Another reason for the scan failure may also be another running pppoe process which controls the modem |
| 22:36.09 | pppoe_dude | hi... which debian-testing cd's do i need to install for a standard user gnome desktop? |
| 22:36.16 | pppoe_dude | s/install/download |
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| 22:36.35 | itchi | madriss: Have you copy and paste that ^^ ? |
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| 22:36.43 | madriss | no i typed it out |
| 22:36.44 | bkhl | Flimzy: 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/ppp0/forwarding' returns '1', so ipforwarding seems to be on. |
| 22:36.46 | madriss | im on another machine |
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| 22:36.57 | itchi | madriss: Ok, was wondering, for that typo ;-) |
| 22:36.58 | pppoe_dude | and... 2: when debian 4 is out, can i just apt-get update/upgrade? |
| 22:37.02 | Flimzy | bkhl: good. you probably gotta start doing some iptraf, tcpdump, type stuff |
| 22:37.02 | madriss | yeah sorry lol |
| 22:37.04 | Flimzy | to see where the breakage is |
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| 22:37.27 | madriss | do u know what it means? |
| 22:37.42 | itchi | madriss: No, just to know if there was an typo error in the output of that app ;-) |
| 22:37.49 | madriss | o ok |
| 22:38.01 | x_link | Guerin: Still here? |
| 22:38.06 | x_link | Sorry, I had some food. |
| 22:38.12 | thelostbutler | pppoe_dude: are you doing a network install ? |
| 22:38.34 | Guerin | x_link: ne! |
| 22:38.37 | madriss | dunno i installed from the minimal cd now im trying to get gnome |
| 22:38.39 | pppoe_dude | thelostbutler, im trying not to... |
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| 22:38.54 | x_link | Guerin: =) |
| 22:38.54 | pppoe_dude | thelostbutler, i wanna download it so i can install it one go... but im on a slow connection |
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| 22:39.47 | pppoe_dude | and... 3: what metapackage do i need to install a "gnome desktop" with all the gnome stuff and utilities? |
| 22:39.54 | madriss | mind if i repeat the question? its a bit far up the page now |
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| 22:40.18 | cydork | pppoe_dude: just select the desktop env. in that installtion at the end. |
| 22:40.29 | cydork | pppoe_dude: or /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:40.57 | pppoe_dude | cydork, thnx |
| 22:41.01 | madriss | hmm i used pppoeconf, and then i got this: Sorry, I scanned 1 interface, but the Access Concentrator of your provider did not respond. Please check your network model cables. Another reason for the scan failure may also be another running pppoe process which controls the modem |
| 22:41.04 | pppoe_dude | cydork, any ideas which CD gnome is on? |
| 22:41.27 | thelostbutler | pppoe_dude:you rae better off using a network installer as it will download only the required packages than the downloading cd's |
| 22:41.29 | cydork | pppoe_dude: most of the packages should be first cd |
| 22:41.47 | pppoe_dude | ok... well, i guess i can do net install.. |
| 22:42.22 | itchi | pppoe_dude: Look to /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 22:42.34 | Guerin | madriss: but you have an internet connection already? |
| 22:42.36 | marsje | I have a mobo without SATA. Bought a PCI SATA controller and a SATA-drive. I had W2K and linux on my original drive with GRUB. Now I want to copy over everything to the new drive. I copied the W2K partition and that works, but GRUB doesn't work anymore. How do I get GRUB on my new drive? |
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| 22:43.18 | pppoe_dude | ok thanks itchi |
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| 22:43.37 | itchi | marsje: You need to reinstall grub in the MBR |
| 22:44.00 | Guerin | marsje: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 22:44.11 | marsje | itchi: I want to get rid of the old ATA drives, so I guess I have to install it in the MBR of the new SATA drive, right? |
| 22:44.29 | itchi | marsje: Yes |
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| 22:45.55 | marsje | itchi: but I boot Linux from /dev/hda3, and my new drive is /dev/sda. But I get confused after I disable booting from /dev/hda. |
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| 22:46.41 | abrotman | !tell N0S3 about root |
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| 22:48.05 | marsje | itchi: so far I had GRUB giving me "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB........." and I got a Hard disk error and a Invalid partition type 0x42. |
| 22:48.06 | itchi | marsje: Maybe you need to look to '/etc/fstab' and '/boot/grub/menu.lst'. |
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| 22:49.30 | helo | he can change into beast form and run them down in a orgy of screems and artieral blood |
| 22:49.42 | cydork | wtf? |
| 22:49.44 | dancek | Can anyone recommend a textmode newsreader? Especially one with support for multiple NNTP servers (if such exists). |
| 22:49.51 | cydork | helo: nethack? :P |
| 22:50.07 | helo | heh that would be appropriate |
| 22:50.19 | fbhjr_ | screen -rd |
| 22:50.33 | abrotman | slrn |
| 22:50.36 | abrotman | tin |
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| 22:50.52 | dancek | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:50.54 | fbhjr_ | slrn is the way |
| 22:50.59 | abrotman | tin is pine-ish |
| 22:51.03 | abrotman | and i don't think it's in debian |
| 22:51.10 | abrotman | !info tin unstable |
| 22:51.15 | cydork | dancek: emacs :P |
| 22:51.17 | dpkg | tin: (A full-screen easy to use Usenet newsreader), section news, is optional. Version: 1:1.9.2+20061021-1 (sid), Packaged size: 644 kB, Installed size: 1664 kB |
| 22:51.21 | fbhjr_ | slrn + leafnoder |
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| 22:51.25 | fbhjr_ | leafnode |
| 22:51.29 | abrotman | oh .. it is there .. |
| 22:51.43 | dancek | cydork: no way. I've already got an OS. |
| 22:52.41 | cydork | dancek: heh |
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| 22:52.41 | dancek | fbhjr_: thanks, gotta look into it |
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| 22:54.18 | karsten | How would I find out why / when a package was dropped from Debian? |
| 22:54.23 | karsten | Specifically spamfilter, i8n oldstable. |
| 22:54.35 | rahul | those ones support multiple news servers? |
| 22:54.47 | LookTJ | i'm back |
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| 22:55.17 | schme | karsten: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/spamfilter.html ? |
| 22:55.36 | schme | karsten: looks like the maintainer got bored of it :) |
| 22:55.37 | karsten | schme: How'd you get there? |
| 22:55.41 | LookTJ | so i have to install debian via eth0 then install what for my intel 2200BG> |
| 22:55.42 | LookTJ | ? |
| 22:56.15 | karsten | schme: It's got *so* many bugs ... |
| 22:56.24 | karsten | schme: Pity, as it's a *very* good procmail ruleset. |
| 22:56.47 | rahul | ah, with leafnode. |
| 22:56.53 | abrotman | LookTJ: yes |
| 22:57.19 | rahul | abrotman: I think LookTJ was asking what to install for the wireless :P |
| 22:57.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://80.219.76.127/vg.jpg |
| 22:57.24 | LookTJ | abrotman: what exactly do i install for my driver |
| 22:57.27 | rahul | buried in the grammar there |
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| 22:57.31 | schme | karsten: I did a search at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages . clicked the package and if you scroll down it says See the developer information for spamfilter. And I followed that link. |
| 22:57.37 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 22:57.37 | dpkg | ipw2200 is probably a wireless driver for Intel wireless cards. It is built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. |
| 22:57.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: and? |
| 22:57.50 | fbhjr_ | leafnode/win 2 |
| 22:57.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: no comments? |
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| 22:58.00 | fbhjr_ | oooh, apologies, how embarrassing |
| 22:58.01 | LookTJ | i'll keep in mind |
| 22:58.02 | karsten | schme: OK. |
| 22:58.05 | IronM | Hello |
| 22:58.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: you found two hot girls in a bar ? |
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| 22:58.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: one |
| 22:58.15 | rahul | just two? |
| 22:58.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: is that her ? |
| 22:58.24 | tarzeau | there were more, but i didn't like the others |
| 22:58.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: no |
| 22:58.36 | abrotman | why are you telling me in her e.. you'll just incur azeem's wrath again |
| 22:58.39 | IronM | any idea to waht package "debchange" belongs? |
| 22:58.49 | IronM | waht |
| 22:58.59 | abrotman | azeem: look away! |
| 22:59.09 | abrotman | !tell IronM about search |
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| 22:59.52 | IronM | gret abrotman - thanks ! |
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| 23:00.01 | LookTJ | abrotman: thank you |
| 23:00.05 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 23:01.05 | itchi | tarzeau: That's you on the right side |
| 23:01.06 | IronM | :) abrotman .. devscripts - Scripts to make the life of a Debian Package maintainer easier |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:01.27 | IronM | ;-) |
| 23:01.46 | tarzeau | itchi: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:02.34 | me_here | upndown upndown |
| 23:02.36 | me_here | lol |
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| 23:02.57 | me_here | oscillating yeah |
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| 23:03.05 | me_here | brrhhh hrr hrr |
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| 23:04.00 | abrotman | me_here: have a debian question ? |
| 23:04.20 | cydork | me_here: or coffee? :P |
| 23:04.39 | me_here | abrotman: yes, but i have to goole for it first |
| 23:04.54 | me_here | cydork: you out of coffe ? |
| 23:05.18 | cydork | me_here: no i thought you need after all those drinks! :P |
| 23:05.27 | cydork | s/need/need it/ |
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| 23:06.43 | me_here | cydork: coffee all the day mainly <- drinks |
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| 23:07.24 | me_here | cydork: it's not good i know |
| 23:07.27 | eilker | doenst debian detect hardware automatically ? do we need to configre it ? |
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| 23:08.12 | Decepticon | so correct me if im wrong. i can use /etc/rc2.d/Swhatever to make any thing startup at boot without using cron |
| 23:08.25 | Decepticon | what are the implications of user privileges assigned to the program in this fashion? |
| 23:08.32 | Decepticon | as opposed to being run by cron |
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| 23:10.11 | cld2 | does 3.1 support dmraid? |
| 23:10.35 | cld2 | for installing. sorry skipped that key part of the question. |
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| 23:11.32 | thelostbutler | Deception: you are changing user privileges periodically or every time you boot a system ? |
| 23:12.45 | rahul | Decepticon: same as if you ran it using cron |
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| 23:13.12 | Decepticon | i have a root account another account, mine |
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| 23:13.23 | Decepticon | i only use my account, and i dont reboot or restart much |
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| 23:13.45 | multi_io | does anyone manage to read the CPU core temperature (Core2 Duo CPU, ACPI) under Linux? |
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| 23:13.58 | thelostbutler | Deception: ok so ? |
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| 23:14.12 | Decepticon | so what if i ran psybnc from those Swhatever scripts |
| 23:14.24 | Decepticon | is that bad, if its running under those privileges |
| 23:14.24 | Gumby | multi_io: if you have the acpi modules loaded try acpi --all (or just acpi --thermal) |
| 23:14.43 | thelostbutler | Deception: i have no idea what psybnc is, so can't help ya |
| 23:14.48 | Decepticon | :S |
| 23:14.53 | Guerin | Decepticon: you can drop privileges |
| 23:14.55 | PaSurf | how would I compile the latest kernel for a new install of debian? |
| 23:15.02 | abrotman | !kp |
| 23:15.03 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 23:15.05 | Guerin | Decepticon: i strongly advise you to do so |
| 23:15.05 | Gumby | multi_io: unless of course you have tried this and acpi just doesnt work for core2 duo chips yet |
| 23:15.08 | Decepticon | Guerin, can you tell me how |
| 23:15.15 | Decepticon | thats the answer i was looking for |
| 23:15.22 | Decepticon | sorry if i talk stupid |
| 23:16.09 | Decepticon | Guerin are you talking about via cron, or in the Swhatever scripts? |
| 23:16.16 | Guerin | Decepticon: there's a cheap and dirty way, and a proper way. The C&D way involves running the daemon with su -c; the proper way involves configuring start-stop-daemon to call it with the right user in the first place |
| 23:16.21 | Guerin | Decepticon: from the init scriptts |
| 23:16.31 | multi_io | Gumby: thanks, installing acpi userspace tools now... |
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| 23:16.48 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: do you mean the stable linux kernel 2.6.18.x or 2.6.19.x ? |
| 23:16.51 | Guerin | Decepticon: the first method is self-explanatory, the second is documented in the skeleton script and in /etc/init.d/README |
| 23:17.02 | multi_io | point is, the kernel modules appear to be somewhat badly documented... |
| 23:17.18 | Decepticon | alright, do you suggest i go with the start-stop-daemon, as i intend for it to be permanent |
| 23:17.29 | Decepticon | *+method |
| 23:17.34 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: Ya, I have 2.6.18.5 installed now but am getting kernel panic errors after a day of it running under 2.6.18.5 |
| 23:17.37 | Guerin | Decepticon: diodir |
| 23:17.44 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: my mistake. kernel.org reports 2.6.19 as the stable kernel |
| 23:17.51 | multi_io | ftp.de.debian.org appears to be running on Windoze 95 |
| 23:17.59 | Guerin | multi_io: yeah, right. |
| 23:18.02 | multi_io | sometimes it's up, sometimes down... |
| 23:18.05 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: what are the kernel panic messages ? |
| 23:18.12 | Decepticon | Guerin, im sorry what was your last post about |
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| 23:18.53 | Guerin | !diodir |
| 23:18.54 | dpkg | well, diodir is Do It Once, Do It Right. Don't fuck around doing things half-arsedly. |
| 23:18.54 | Decepticon | ah okay |
| 23:18.57 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: /sbin/init 432 cannot open dev/console |
| 23:19.07 | Gumby | multi_io: all you should really need is acpi kernel modules that support core due chips |
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| 23:19.30 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: No such file Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
| 23:20.20 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: I rebooted after using the system for at least a day with no problems, but then the system quit responding and giving me strange errors for the locate command |
| 23:20.36 | madman215 | whats a program to rip cds to mp3s and maybe library them, gui preferably |
| 23:20.41 | PaSurf | this was before the reboot.... |
| 23:20.48 | Decepticon | Guerin what permissions would you suggest i run soething like bnc under? |
| 23:21.01 | dancek | madman215: KAudioCreator? |
| 23:21.11 | Guerin | Decepticon: i don't really know enough about bnc. |
| 23:21.14 | dancek | madman215: for KDE |
| 23:21.33 | Decepticon | its just an irc bouncer |
| 23:21.41 | madman215 | dancek, know of anything for gnome? kde takes forever to load |
| 23:21.41 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: :( i dunno what that means. coming back to the question about kernel 2.6.19 from kernel.org download the source, extract it to /usr/src . then configure the kernel. install kernel-package . run make-kpkg kernel-image and you have a deb package of the latest kernel |
| 23:21.51 | Decepticon | needs the internet, and needs to be able to read configuration files... no writing on disk. i should think. |
| 23:22.05 | eilker | why do i need to have 13-15 cd to install debian ? isnt it too many ?? |
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| 23:22.11 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: if it is for 2.6.18 , then you might as well install the kernel image from debian and see if that works for you |
| 23:22.23 | dancek | madman215: not really. shouldn't be too hard to find though. |
| 23:22.56 | rahul | madman215: why can't you use abcde? |
| 23:23.08 | rahul | madman215: it's not like ripping cds is a hugely interactive task |
| 23:23.39 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: I have tried .19 but had issues with swraid 5. I then went to 18.5 and no problems (did some other things too) but got it working. I assume I can boot into the old config and dpkg -r the new kernel, then reinstall the new kernel but Im not sure if I'm gonna have the same issues. |
| 23:23.41 | thelostbutler | madman215: apt-cache search mp3 | grep rip works for me |
| 23:23.57 | dancek | madman215: looks like theres something called grip for gnome. dunno if its good. |
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| 23:24.07 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: Try the stock debian kernel first |
| 23:24.47 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: with this new install of 18.5 everything went smooth. the stock kernel? the one that is already installed, or ....(2.6.8-3)? |
| 23:24.49 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: that is what I have been recommened many times by folks here . if that works |
| 23:25.35 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: I have the stock kernel running fine, I just wanted to upgrade it. |
| 23:25.40 | PaSurf | :) |
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| 23:25.49 | PaSurf | Always gotta have the latest crap |
| 23:26.18 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: Which tree are you tracking ? stable / testing /unstable |
| 23:26.26 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: why do you wanna upgrade ? |
| 23:26.29 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: so when I compiled the new kernel I first did the oldconfig the menuconfig to get the ball rolling. Stable |
| 23:26.32 | Decepticon | Guerin, would i do something like this: start-stop-daemon -c nameoflessprivileged user |
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| 23:27.04 | Guerin | Decepticon: something like that. I don't have the doc in front of me but that's how it works in principle |
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| 23:27.18 | Decepticon | then i should make a user with absolutely no write privileges |
| 23:27.25 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: To be honest, I just thought I would try to compile the kenel, get some learnin under my belt. I'm not really even sure what the new kernel addresses... |
| 23:27.29 | Decepticon | specifically for that program, right? |
| 23:27.55 | Decepticon | im just checking this from 'man start-stop-daemon' |
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| 23:28.09 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: So when you do a fresh install, can you use the latest kenel durning install? |
| 23:28.09 | IronM | any idea how to rebuild tasksel under sarge? - thank you in advance :) |
| 23:28.18 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: perhaps you want to check www.kernelnewbies.org first. that is the first place i read about kernel changes tand then check what kernel you want to try out |
| 23:28.36 | PaSurf | or do most people just use what is compiled with debian on the site? |
| 23:29.15 | tarzeau | odla: hah, trying to hide your affection to GNUstep? |
| 23:29.17 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: I'll check out the site.... Thanks for the info.... |
| 23:29.40 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: I have no idea what most people do. :) |
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| 23:31.13 | odla | tarzeau: no i like gnustep :D |
| 23:31.24 | odla | i won't lie |
| 23:32.09 | bbelt16ag | how do i put the path of gtk2.0 in to pkg-configure? |
| 23:32.23 | bbelt16ag | i am getting errors on compiling gkrellm2 plugins |
| 23:32.32 | odla | tarzeau: sweet links2 works again :) |
| 23:32.53 | tarzeau | odla: yep :), and you use opencubicplayer ? |
| 23:33.09 | odla | tarzeau: i have...not a lot though |
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| 23:33.19 | azeem | tarzeau: are you going to fix wmaker, or is going to miss etch? |
| 23:33.24 | multi_io | Gumby: my impression was that ACPI works independently of the processor type |
| 23:33.32 | tarzeau | azeem: i can downgrade the rc bugs |
| 23:33.43 | azeem | tarzeau: you think they are not RC? |
| 23:33.45 | tarzeau | azeem: there's no freeze planned with a date, is there? |
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| 23:33.51 | tarzeau | azeem: yes i think they are not RC |
| 23:34.03 | azeem | tarzeau: why didn't you say that so far? |
| 23:34.12 | tarzeau | azeem: dunno, nobody asked |
| 23:34.15 | azeem | uh? |
| 23:34.22 | azeem | the release managers tried to get comments from the wmaker maintainers for weeks now |
| 23:34.38 | tarzeau | azeem: uh, wait, let me downgrade them then now |
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| 23:35.15 | bbelt16ag | ! gtk |
| 23:35.16 | dpkg | gtk is probably GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit, currently at version 2. Version 1 is still used and in Debian as libgtk1.2. Versions 1 and 2 are not compatible and totally separate. |
| 23:35.18 | DebianTUX | hi. i have the / filesystem on a raid0 array. when installed debian sarge, it works fine and all. did a upgrade to sid (all my stations are sid) , and it is still working :-P but when i do a kernel upgrade, it doesnt update the initrd correctly, so it doesnt have the mdadm commands to start the array. iv read some tutorials but didnt understand how to modify my initrd so it can do that. could some one help me? |
| 23:35.19 | tarzeau | azeem: ok #401900, #397412, i can't reproduce |
| 23:35.27 | tarzeau | azeem: and #395863 is not RC |
| 23:35.28 | bkw | Anyone who knows if there're any difference (performance improvment) using intel drivers from intellinuxgraphics.org compared to Xorg. The driver I use is i810, and card is Intel855GM. |
| 23:35.29 | bbelt16ag | sorry |
| 23:35.33 | bbelt16ag | my msg wont work |
| 23:35.58 | bbelt16ag | grrr |
| 23:36.03 | bbelt16ag | does etch use gtk2.0? |
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| 23:36.17 | Marupa | Hi, I'm still pretty new to all of debian, trying to repartition some drives 'live', using parted, only there's a problem. My /home directory won't unmount, so I can't do it. Any suggestions on if there's any way to unmount the partition? |
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| 23:37.16 | jelly | Marupa: you can't repartition live. |
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| 23:37.26 | vulture | Marupa: why won't it unmount? do it as root, stop all your user processes.. |
| 23:37.26 | IronM | any idea how to customize the sarge install CD ? - thank you in advance :) |
| 23:37.28 | IronM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.29 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: you have to go do single user mode and repartition it then; or kill off all processes that are using /home |
| 23:37.31 | IronM | any idea how to customize the sarge install CD ? - thank you in advance :) |
| 23:37.32 | IronM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.38 | Marupa | I already have, vulture, dondelelcaro. |
| 23:37.49 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: if you had, you'd be able to umount it. |
| 23:37.54 | vulture | of course other partitions (like /usr, for example) may be a bit harder - as dondelelcaro mentioned you'll need to drop to single user mode |
| 23:37.55 | jelly | Marupa: you can resize an ext3 part. online only if it was formatted with an option at enable that. |
| 23:37.57 | Marupa | I'm in single user mode with nothing running. want to see my top? |
| 23:38.14 | vulture | Marupa: and what are you trying to unmount? |
| 23:38.17 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: then you should be able to umount /home; if you can't, lsof /home and see what processes are using it. |
| 23:38.19 | vulture | just /home (it's a separate mount point)? |
| 23:38.25 | dondelelcaro | IronM: 1) stop repeating 2) get the d-i packages, and add make whatever changes you want, then rebuild them. |
| 23:38.33 | Marupa | lsof /home showed nothing using it. |
| 23:38.36 | nn-main | i have all my computers running debian and no dule boots go Debian |
| 23:38.43 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: and what does umount /home; say? |
| 23:38.45 | Marupa | and yes, it's on it's own partition. |
| 23:38.45 | DebianTUX | hi. i have the / filesystem on a raid0 array. when installed debian sarge, it works fine and all. did a upgrade to sid (all my stations are sid) , and it is still working :-P but when i do a kernel upgrade, it doesnt update the initrd correctly, so it doesnt have the mdadm commands to start the array. iv read some tutorials but didnt understand how to modify my initrd so it can do that. could some one help me? |
| 23:38.51 | IronM | hi dondelelcaro - thank you ! :) |
| 23:38.52 | krazykit | blah. why isn't sed "s/\$//" stripping out the $? |
| 23:38.55 | Marupa | device is busy. |
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| 23:39.35 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: and the only thing that is running is init and your shell, and you're not in /home? |
| 23:39.51 | jelly | Marupa: ... this is why I usually use gparted's livecd and no care about stuff being mounted |
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| 23:39.58 | azeem | bbelt16ag: sure |
| 23:40.16 | bbelt16ag | is this package gtk2.0? --------------------libgimp2.0 |
| 23:40.22 | azeem | no |
| 23:40.26 | bbelt16ag | i cant find it dang it |
| 23:40.30 | Marupa | and sshd, but I've tried it with and without sshd running with no difference. |
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| 23:40.41 | azeem | bbelt16ag: Debian installs necessary libraries automatically if you tell it to install new applications |
| 23:40.52 | azeem | so there's no need to find it |
| 23:41.01 | bbelt16ag | i am compiling some plugins for grellm2 |
| 23:41.04 | bbelt16ag | gkrellm2 |
| 23:41.09 | bbelt16ag | and it cant find it |
| 23:41.12 | jelly | bbelt16ag: you need the -dev package then |
| 23:41.20 | thelostbutler | DebianTUX: the otherway around is to just compile the modules into the kernel and not use initrd. it works for me, probably not the best way to do it **shrugs** |
| 23:41.22 | bbelt16ag | which da re? |
| 23:41.24 | jelly | bbelt16ag: probably libgtk2.0-dev |
| 23:41.24 | bbelt16ag | are |
| 23:41.27 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 23:41.35 | bbelt16ag | ty |
| 23:41.38 | bbelt16ag | lets see if it works |
| 23:42.09 | jelly | bbelt16ag: use something like apt-cache search 'gtk2.*dev' to figure it out next time |
| 23:42.12 | DebianTUX | themolester: dont i need to run mdadm to up the raid array before mount it? |
| 23:42.15 | Marupa | Any ideas, dondelelcaro? |
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| 23:42.40 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: the only thing that should be running is your shell; stop sshd, and try fuser -am /home; |
| 23:42.47 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 23:42.52 | bbelt16ag | i tried |
| 23:43.01 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.11 | bbelt16ag | and i had to go figure out gtk was gimp too kit |
| 23:43.16 | bbelt16ag | tool |
| 23:43.28 | bbelt16ag | wierd. why would they name it after the GIMP ? |
| 23:43.33 | bbelt16ag | or vice versa? |
| 23:44.01 | jelly | bbelt16ag: It was made for Gimp and only separater afterwards. |
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| 23:45.05 | thelostbutler | DebianTUX:i belive mdadm can run in daemon mode. so that can be used to start the arrays |
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| 23:45.35 | DavidProck1982 | does any one in here remember helping me with my ati drivers |
| 23:45.37 | thelostbutler | DebianTUX:i belive mdadm can run in daemon mode. so that can be used to start the arrays |
| 23:45.38 | DebianTUX | sorry, crashed |
| 23:45.53 | h3xis | DavidProck1982, triad area? |
| 23:46.00 | DavidProck1982 | huh |
| 23:46.07 | h3xis | you in the triad area? |
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| 23:46.12 | DebianTUX | themolester: but the mdadm itself is in the array :-/ |
| 23:46.15 | Marupa | dondelelcaro: replied with /home: |
| 23:46.17 | DavidProck1982 | lexington why |
| 23:46.24 | h3xis | oh just wondering |
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| 23:46.47 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: well, you can try a lazy umount, but I wouldn't recommend it. something is using it (or the kernel thinks that something is.) |
| 23:46.53 | dondelelcaro | Marupa: restart into single user mode, and try again. |
| 23:46.57 | moparisthebest | Where is the sources file that apt-get looks at? I need to install the java jre on debian stable |
| 23:46.59 | Marupa | it is in single user mode. |
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| 23:47.44 | DavidProck1982 | does any one know about the fglrx-driver |
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| 23:48.04 | dancek | moparisthebest: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:48.07 | helo | what will the firebird2 package be called once it is updated to firebird version 2.0 (the current firebird2 is firebird 1.5) |
| 23:48.11 | itchi | DavidProck1982: Tell us what's happend |
| 23:48.14 | moparisthebest | thank you dancek |
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| 23:48.24 | tarzeau | helo: fireturd |
| 23:48.31 | PaSurf | anyone know how to recover from a kernel panic error that will not let you into the system at all? |
| 23:48.39 | thelostbutler | DebianTUX:the way i think it works is that in fstab since the enteries are given for the filesystems, the kernel will mount the device. hence it will get execute. i will have to go back and look, i think the init scripts were to start mdadm for monitoring the array. i could be wrong. need to RTFM :( |
| 23:48.48 | tarzeau | PaSurf: you can make it reboot after n seconds |
| 23:49.00 | krazykit | PaSurf, boot from a LiveCD, chroot in, fix it. |
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| 23:49.17 | tarzeau | helo: and this will be their new logo: http://www.geocities.com/milesdjsquid/other/fireturd.JPG |
| 23:49.36 | DebianTUX | themolester: the problem is that everything, even the init scripts are in the array :-/ |
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| 23:49.41 | PaSurf | tarzeau: Basically after rebooting, it stops at kernel error. |
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| 23:49.58 | numerHIc_vodka | hi, my report log say: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Error recovery failed. (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** |
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| 23:50.16 | _Brandon_ | did someone gets acx100 driver to works? |
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| 23:50.27 | PaSurf | krazykit: what would I do to fix it if system is saying it cannot open dev/console? |
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| 23:50.44 | plugwash | hmm, is partman only availible as a udeb |
| 23:50.46 | tarzeau | PaSurf: which error? |
| 23:50.51 | tarzeau | PaSurf: did you make the kernel? |
| 23:51.09 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: wherent you here a couple of mins ago asking the same question ? |
| 23:51.16 | PaSurf | tarzeau: yes, I compiled the kernel and it worked for a day or so |
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| 23:51.44 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: yes but we were assuming I could get into the stock kernel, which I cant |
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| 23:52.07 | PaSurf | I basically cant get into the system at all even from the recovery modes |
| 23:52.18 | krazykit | PaSurf, that's why you chroot in from a liveCD and install a stock kernel. |
| 23:52.18 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: you don't have a working kernel to boot ? |
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| 23:52.30 | krazykit | or keep a known working kernel when you upgrade |
| 23:52.50 | eldowan | I'm looking for a simple, common way of removing the first and last character in a string. I have looked into sed, and an trying to figure it out now, but I was wondering if there is an easier or preferred method to do this. It will end up being a bash script. |
| 23:53.04 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: now my working kernel (which I used to get in and remove the newly installed 18.5) is now hosed. |
| 23:53.05 | thelostbutler | DebianTUX: I will leave it to the others to explain, why it works. I don't know the fine details to share on how the kernel mounts raid devices |
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| 23:53.31 | madriss | hi i used apt-get update, then base-config, to install the debian desktop. it downloaded everythin then i think i pressed sumthin halfway thru and it said restarting. now iv rebooted im back at command prompt how can i continue the install? i dont hav to downlaod it all again? |
| 23:53.33 | SNow | SL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK |
| 23:53.37 | SNow | SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK |
| 23:53.40 | SNow | any solutions |
| 23:53.40 | thelostbutler | DebianTux: and if it definitely needs the mdadm binary or not |
| 23:53.44 | PaSurf | krazykit: do I basically use the same commands for installing the stock kernel from live cd? which CD would be best to use? (ubuntu?) |
| 23:53.44 | SNow | this is when I am using curl?? |
| 23:54.09 | DebianTUX | themolester: ok, thanks |
| 23:54.19 | PaSurf | system is saying it also cant find ext3 filesystem on dev md2 |
| 23:54.24 | SNow | ;] |
| 23:54.26 | SNow | noone? |
| 23:54.44 | thelostbutler | DebianTux: I don't think it needs the binary. because the support of the filesystems (ext[2/3]/raid0) is built into the kernel |
| 23:54.45 | krazykit | PaSurf, it doesn't matter what liveCD, as long as it's the same arch. google for chroot, chroot in, and apt-get an older kernel |
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| 23:55.05 | thelostbutler | DebianTux: **when it is built into the kernel |
| 23:55.13 | SNow | any ideas?? |
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| 23:55.17 | tFF | hello i have some strange problem with installing perl-doc... |
| 23:55.18 | tFF | after >apt-get -f install perldoc |
| 23:55.20 | tFF | it reads something |
| 23:55.21 | tFF | about dependencies perl-doc: depends: perl (>= 5.8.4-1) |
| 23:55.23 | tFF | and i won't installed after all |
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| 23:55.32 | PaSurf | krazykit: are there ways to repair the old kernel installed from live cd, or will the whole kernel have to be reinstalled? |
| 23:55.46 | madriss | hi i used apt-get update, then base-config to install desktop environment. it downloaded everythin then i think i pressed sumthin halfway thru and it said restarting. now iv rebooted im back at command prompt how can i continue the install? |
| 23:56.18 | krazykit | PaSurf, it's just easier to reinstall the kernel |
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| 23:56.26 | PaSurf | will do, thanks for the hel |
| 23:56.28 | PaSurf | p |
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| 23:56.42 | Honeyman | Hello. Can anyone hint how to make a "shutdown" account in Debian? The way from http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/shutdown-account-to-shutdown-linux-server.html seem does not work - it seem dislike the string "/usr/bin/sudo /sbin/halt" as a shell in /etc/passwd |
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| 23:57.11 | streuner | madriss: did you try 'base-config' as root? |
| 23:57.28 | madriss | i'll try that. just hoping i dont hav to download it all again lol |
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| 23:58.01 | DavidProck1982 | madriss: do u like kde |
| 23:58.01 | streuner | madriss: just restart (reboot) the box :-) |
| 23:58.10 | thelostbutler | madriss: are you installig stable or testing ? |
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| 23:58.24 | madriss | duno this is my first install. im installing a stable, i chose desktop environment |
| 23:58.27 | madriss | it took ages downloading it all |
| 23:58.38 | streuner | base-config is only in stable... |
| 23:58.39 | madriss | then it asked for mail server settings |
| 23:58.47 | madriss | and i pressed sumthin and it reboot lol |
| 23:59.00 | thelostbutler | madriss: the power button ? :P |
| 23:59.03 | streuner | !lolstats |
| 23:59.10 | DavidProck1982 | madriss: apt-get install kde then run the display manager |
| 23:59.11 | madriss | shud i choose filesystem instead of ftp for apt source? |
| 23:59.15 | streuner | thelostbutler: hehe :-) |
| 23:59.22 | madriss | as i alreadyu downloaded |
| 23:59.25 | madriss | thanks DavidProckl |
