| 00:00.09 | rpc | just a quick security question yet... can a box with no open ports be hacked remotely? |
| 00:00.22 | PerfDave | rpc: Yes |
| 00:00.27 | abrotman | you open connections out |
| 00:00.36 | rpc | sounds cool |
| 00:00.43 | Xormic | outgoing sockets still vuln. |
| 00:00.43 | PerfDave | abrotman: Or TCP/IP stack vulnerabilities |
| 00:00.46 | rpc | but assuming that one never opens connections out |
| 00:00.47 | abrotman | or that |
| 00:00.48 | karsten | rpc: Sure. Eg: MacOS X wireless hack. Access is through the wireless card, whether it's on or not. |
| 00:01.05 | rpc | karsten that's quite amasing, isn't it |
| 00:01.09 | PerfDave | rpc: Then unplug the network card |
| 00:01.17 | karsten | PerfDave: Onboard wireless. |
| 00:01.26 | rpc | oh wait i'm not this paranoid |
| 00:01.31 | karsten | PerfDave: You'd have to shut it down in Mac's version of the bios. |
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| 00:01.51 | rpc | i mean what is the exact risk factor with a box that doesn't run services |
| 00:01.58 | abrotman | 42 |
| 00:02.02 | rpc | right |
| 00:02.03 | tuv | karsten, is this the case for all mac's? |
| 00:02.05 | karsten | abrotman: What units? |
| 00:02.08 | PerfDave | rpc: Go and read Schneier's "Beyond Fear" |
| 00:02.11 | abrotman | 42 Gran Moff Tarkins |
| 00:02.15 | rpc | hm |
| 00:02.17 | liable | karsten: did they actually admit to it being a vuln in the end? |
| 00:02.17 | karsten | tuv: FIIK. RTFVR |
| 00:02.33 | karsten | VR == vuln report |
| 00:02.39 | RvGaTe | How can i automaticly mount all my partitions (hda0 on ntfsl. hdb1 on fat32) in Debian etch and make them readable and writeable (fat32 only) for every user that logges on... |
| 00:02.40 | karsten | or SA for security advisory. |
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| 00:02.49 | abrotman | fstab |
| 00:02.54 | tuv | karsten, what's FIIK? |
| 00:02.57 | PerfDave | RvGaTe: Put them in /etc/fstab |
| 00:03.00 | abrotman | fuck if i know |
| 00:03.04 | rpc | so what is the point in securing a box when all depends on its network adapter? |
| 00:03.21 | unlink | rpc: because you trust the network adapter. |
| 00:03.24 | rpc | i would never thought that having 0 listening ports still gives a problem |
| 00:03.25 | karsten | !tell RvGaTe about user accessible fat32 |
| 00:03.38 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 00:03.38 | PerfDave | rpc: Really, go read some Schneier |
| 00:03.38 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 00:03.38 | tuv | abrotman, that makes no sense |
| 00:03.43 | abrotman | tuv: what doesn't? |
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| 00:03.50 | rpc | PerfDave you must be right about that... |
| 00:03.57 | pihhan | rpc, you can be vulnerable to some icmp redirections or such, if you kernel allows that |
| 00:03.58 | tuv | your expansion of FIIK, if that what you meant |
| 00:04.04 | abrotman | tuv: he's saying .. "Fuck if i know .. read the fucking vulernability report" |
| 00:04.07 | karsten | rpc: Um. Security isn't an absolute, it's a goal. You can minimize risks, or manage them, or compensate for them. You generally have to accetp some risks, however. |
| 00:04.09 | rpc | pihhan oh hm |
| 00:04.13 | RvGaTe | abrotman, PerfDave, karsten, thx, let me reboot and try :) |
| 00:04.24 | PerfDave | rpc: You're demonstrating a fundemental lack of awareness of risk analysis and security methodology. Schneier is good for fixing that. |
| 00:04.29 | tuv | abrotman, i know. but FIIK is a lousy phrase |
| 00:04.36 | abrotman | would you prefer NFC ? |
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| 00:04.43 | Xormic | Not For Children? |
| 00:04.44 | rpc | karsten yes i do understand but there is a diff between accepting say 1% risk and 90% risk in daily work |
| 00:04.47 | abrotman | !karstensmite karsten |
| 00:04.50 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 00:05.04 | abrotman | !nfc |
| 00:05.05 | dpkg | i heard nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 00:05.12 | tuv | abrotman, at least it looks more like a meaningful sentence, although still as rude |
| 00:05.13 | karsten | rpc: 89! |
| 00:05.17 | rpc | i will read some Schneier... looks like everyone but me did already :) |
| 00:05.19 | abrotman | tuv: okay |
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| 00:05.27 | rpc | karsten he he |
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| 00:05.37 | zorton | is there a stable to testing upgrade guide or can I get away with just chaning my sources.list? |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | !tell zorton about sarge->etch |
| 00:05.50 | abrotman | and read the release notes |
| 00:05.53 | karsten | rpc: Another key phrase is "threat model" |
| 00:05.55 | zorton | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:05.58 | karsten | rpc: Which basically says ... |
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| 00:06.13 | rpc | pihhan but wait, how can it depend on kernel vuln. if the firewall filters out icmps |
| 00:06.34 | karsten | ... what am I trying to protect, who am I trying to protect it from, what costs am I willing to undertake to protect it, and what (if any) recovery / mitigation plans do I have. |
| 00:06.36 | l3mr | !tell l3mr about sarge->etch |
| 00:06.40 | rpc | karsten mm |
| 00:06.45 | pihhan | rpc, you talked about open ports, not about filtering icmps |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | !tell l3mr about selftell |
| 00:06.56 | karsten | rpc: You can design yourself a car that can never get a flat tire, because it rolls on steel wheels, no rubber. |
| 00:07.05 | l3mr | ok. sorry. |
| 00:07.08 | pihhan | rpc, and also, don cannot filter all icmps so simply |
| 00:07.08 | l3mr | thanks. |
| 00:07.12 | abrotman | karsten: you watch too much Darkwing Duck |
| 00:07.14 | karsten | rpc: ... or you can carry an an emergency spare, which is good for a few miles of < 50MPH travel. |
| 00:07.20 | karsten | abrotman: I do? |
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| 00:07.27 | rpc | now i'm becoming a paranoid |
| 00:07.30 | abrotman | karsten: that was on the cartoon.. about 15 years ago :) |
| 00:07.39 | rpc | karsten he he |
| 00:07.44 | karsten | abrotman: Um. I've got _no_ idea what darkwing duck is. |
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| 00:07.46 | ProwL | abrotman apparently watched too much darkwing duck :P |
| 00:07.50 | abrotman | karsten: google you lazy ass! |
| 00:08.02 | abrotman | ProwL: not me .. my little brother .. and crybabies get to control the TV :) |
| 00:08.05 | RvGaTe | allright... rebooted... |
| 00:08.11 | rpc | karsten perhaps that's the proper point... if there isn't much to protect then why worry |
| 00:08.20 | rpc | and why become paranoid just for fun |
| 00:08.41 | karsten | rpc: Also: if the risky event is almost certain to happen, but consequences can be mitigated, accept the risk, but mitigate the consequences. |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | rpc: there are many levels you can go through .. some do things like compile kernels with no loadable module support etc |
| 00:08.55 | karsten | rpc: I used to bike-commute ~200+ miles/wk. |
| 00:09.04 | karsten | rpc: I carried a frame pump and a patch kit. |
| 00:09.13 | abrotman | no spare tube ? |
| 00:09.19 | PerfDave | karsten: You had an inflatable frame? |
| 00:09.29 | abrotman | PerfDave: he called it "Honey" |
| 00:09.32 | karsten | rpc: When I started getting _daily_ flats, I invested in some tire strips (teflon goes between the tube and tire). |
| 00:09.34 | rpc | doh lol |
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| 00:10.26 | karsten | rpc: Risk mitigation. Normally patch kit, pump, and, ys abrotman, a spare tube (swap in the one you're carrying, patch the one you've been riding) is good enough. In this case it wasn't. Take extra measures. |
| 00:10.28 | reZo | Okay, |
| 00:10.46 | karsten | PerfDave: You can do that, tends to increase the tire cost. I can swap Mr. Tuffy's between tires. |
| 00:10.49 | abrotman | wait for it .. |
| 00:11.04 | reZo | I just tried to detect my NIC on the Debian net installation, and it failed. It says my NIC is IRQ 223. I rebooted, and now it's 217. This isn't right is it? |
| 00:11.07 | reZo | That was with lspci -v |
| 00:11.21 | karsten | reZo: Um. What hardware? x86? |
| 00:11.22 | abrotman | lspci -n .. way more useful |
| 00:11.35 | reZo | x86 yes. |
| 00:11.37 | pihhan | reZo, on PCI ICQ should not really matter |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | i thought they went to 256 now |
| 00:11.38 | PerfDave | karsten: I don't replace tyres often enough for spending $40 on a pair of Kevlar-lined ones to be a concern |
| 00:11.43 | abrotman | 255 .. whatever |
| 00:11.57 | PerfDave | You get more IRQs on amd64 hardware IIRC |
| 00:11.58 | pihhan | reZo, important is PCI IDs |
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| 00:12.06 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 00:12.06 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 00:12.15 | reZo | pihhan, the net installation complains it can't detect my NIC and asks for the IRQ and I/O. |
| 00:12.19 | karsten | /proc/irq/ now. |
| 00:12.25 | reZo | Hmmms. |
| 00:12.40 | abrotman | !sarge uni |
| 00:12.40 | dpkg | sarge unofficial netinstallers see <sarge 2.6.12> <sarge 2.6.14> and/or <sarge 2.6.15>, or use at your own risk and not officially a sarge installation. The 2.6.15 may use yaird, beware. or see <custom netinst>, or see <sarge 2.6.16> also, or see <sarge 2.6.18> |
| 00:13.01 | pihhan | reZo, then it did not detect or has no module |
| 00:13.30 | reZo | Hmmms. |
| 00:13.38 | reZo | And, if it has no module? I can't use the NIC? |
| 00:14.13 | abrotman | try an unofficial sarge installer |
| 00:14.18 | PerfDave | reZo: Do you have a pressing reason to use Sarge? You might be better off installing Etch ahead of release than using an unofficial installer. |
| 00:14.35 | reZo | Well, |
| 00:14.46 | abrotman | one line! |
| 00:14.50 | reZo | Which is the official installer at the moment? |
| 00:14.54 | abrotman | sarge |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 00:14.57 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 00:14.59 | reZo | Okay, |
| 00:15.10 | reZo | And how stable is Etch? |
| 00:15.20 | PerfDave | What do you mean by "official installer"? There are official Etch install media. |
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| 00:15.39 | reZo | Okay, |
| 00:15.48 | reZo | I was referering to which is the most stable. |
| 00:15.56 | reZo | I'll be getting the i386 |
| 00:16.01 | bokey | PerfDave, if a rogue module is loaded anything that goes in/out of the firewall won't matter anymore. is it so or not ? |
| 00:16.40 | reZo | Anyways, I'll test this again. |
| 00:16.47 | reZo | Thanks for the help :) |
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| 00:16.58 | RvGaTe | abrotman, PerfDave, i edited the fstab, when do the new settings apply ? |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | mount -a |
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| 00:18.00 | Azar | hmm where can I go for o/t questions? .. and hello honorables |
| 00:18.27 | karsten | Azar: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:18.34 | Azar | karsten, thanks |
| 00:18.43 | PerfDave | bokey: If you have a "rogue module" in your kernel, you're basically screwed, yes. |
| 00:18.53 | bokey | PerfDave, right. |
| 00:19.03 | bokey | PerfDave, just assuring myself. =) |
| 00:19.03 | buggarage | what's a rogue module ? |
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| 00:19.16 | RvGaTe | abrotman, only root can do that... and when i do it as root, i still cant open them as a normal user |
| 00:19.24 | karsten | PerfDave: What if you've got a rouge module? |
| 00:19.25 | abrotman | yes .. root has to mount it |
| 00:19.30 | bokey | buggarage, module say interfaces with hw directly. |
| 00:19.50 | buggarage | ah |
| 00:19.53 | bokey | buggarage, a kernel module |
| 00:20.43 | buggarage | bokey: thank you but how do i know if a module is rogue or not ? |
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| 00:21.11 | bokey | buggarage, i don't know that yet. |
| 00:21.19 | dendrite | buggarage: The idea is that a system attacker may load a module that does evil things. |
| 00:21.26 | buggarage | bokey: ah ok |
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| 00:21.47 | buggarage | dendrite: how's that possible ? |
| 00:21.55 | bokey | dendrite, right. |
| 00:22.02 | bokey | dendrite, but how is it preventable ? |
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| 00:22.20 | dendrite | buggarage: It's possible just like any other system attack is possible. |
| 00:22.29 | bokey | dendrite, one way I can think of is to manually check modconf configurations. |
| 00:22.50 | buggarage | bokey: searching for what ? |
| 00:23.01 | bokey | buggarage, you are right. for what ? |
| 00:23.33 | bokey | buggarage, how can we be sure that it's a normal module and not a rogue module ? |
| 00:24.34 | buggarage | bokey: perhaps just not use firmware ? |
| 00:24.51 | geo-rge | how can you be sure the next person to post a msg here is not a rogue? |
| 00:24.51 | unlink | heh, good luck |
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| 00:25.02 | bokey | geo-rge, hehe.. |
| 00:25.04 | PerfDave | I'm not sure how not using firmware helps |
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| 00:26.02 | buggarage | geo-rge: i assure you i'm a rogue person though |
| 00:26.11 | buggarage | lol |
| 00:26.14 | stoned | hi |
| 00:26.20 | buggarage | hi stoned |
| 00:26.54 | oversize | hello, i m searching a source for a recent subversion package >=1.3 ? |
| 00:27.42 | dendrite | bokey: Easiest way to prevent loading of rogue modules is to disable modules in your kernel. |
| 00:27.53 | jelly | oversize: testing/unstable have 1.4.2 at present |
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| 00:28.33 | bokey | dendrite, yeah that would nearly no functionality though. |
| 00:28.47 | oversize | if i want to use testing/unstable, i have to modify sources.list ? |
| 00:29.12 | dendrite | bokey: Not at all. In a security sensitive production system, modules are of limited use. |
| 00:29.14 | geo-rge | depends on what you're running now ahd what your sources.list say |
| 00:29.16 | PerfDave | oversize: If you have to ask... |
| 00:29.33 | PerfDave | oversize: Look for a backport to Stable |
| 00:29.34 | dendrite | oversize: Don't run unstable. |
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| 00:29.35 | geo-rge | (that's bullshit btw) |
| 00:29.35 | karsten | What's the current name of kernel source packages? |
| 00:29.52 | jelly | oversize: you probably don't want to use it, if you don't know. However you could look for a backport or try to create one by yourself |
| 00:30.03 | PerfDave | karsten: kernel-souce-* in Sarge, linux-source-* for Linux kernels in Etch/Sid |
| 00:30.03 | geo-rge | karsten: Joey! |
| 00:30.19 | bokey | dendrite, right. |
| 00:30.22 | IronM | !tell IronM about dfsbuild |
| 00:30.26 | oversize | well.... 1.3 would be sufficient. thx |
| 00:30.50 | IronM | !tell IronM about kp |
| 00:31.12 | karsten | PerfDave: Hrm. I'm only finding 'linux-source-2.6.17' and *.18. |
| 00:31.18 | bokey | dendrite, but there's no easier way to check modules that interfaces with say my NIC directly without notifying kernel ? |
| 00:31.22 | geo-rge | IronM: /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:31.23 | karsten | Hrm. Should be sufficient. |
| 00:31.30 | liable | hrm, no matter what nameserver i have in resolv.conf, i always get a reply from an unlisted on.. |
| 00:31.41 | IronM | merci geo-rge :) |
| 00:31.51 | geo-rge | da nada |
| 00:32.12 | karsten | liable: round-robin? Hacked? |
| 00:32.37 | karsten | liable: check your binary _and_ resolver library files. |
| 00:32.37 | jelly | oversize: try /msg dpkg bpo and other backport related factoids |
| 00:33.12 | bokey | dendrite, i take that for a "no". =) |
| 00:33.23 | liable | karsten: i have no idea whats up, i am given two nameservers from a dhcpd, when they are queried, a third one responds (which of course is ignored) when i put the third one in resolv.conf, it works fine |
| 00:33.42 | dendrite | bokey: Take it for a "I'm not really paying much attention, and your question seemed a bit vague." :-) |
| 00:34.02 | stoned | can people over 80 years of age use debian? |
| 00:34.15 | oversize | jelly, thx |
| 00:34.21 | jelly | oversize: backports.org seem to have 1.3.2, btw |
| 00:34.21 | RvGaTe | Where can i set/change my default audio device ? |
| 00:34.32 | liable | karsten: this only started on this particular network |
| 00:34.40 | geo-rge | liable: what happens when you dig @one.of.the.givens google.com |
| 00:34.41 | bokey | dendrite, =) |
| 00:34.55 | Kerr | Why would my sarge install hang on shutdown with the likes of 'init: nothing left in this runlevel' and then be unable to boot, with errors liek being unable to execute getty, and things going too fast? It just kinda died at 5am last night when i was shutting down to put in a new nic :( |
| 00:34.59 | stoned | I have not been able to find many "windows" like accebility tools. Could someone kindly point me in the right direction, as to maybe the names and such |
| 00:35.10 | stoned | I can't spell accessibility |
| 00:35.17 | karsten | liable: I can think of some interesting things I could do if I could get you to use a nameserver _I_ wanted you to use. Might want to check that your resolver setup is sane. |
| 00:35.35 | karsten | Kerr: Bad disk. |
| 00:35.46 | liable | karsten: they are all telco nameservers (i did a nslookup and whois on em) |
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| 00:37.02 | stoned | karsten, thats the name of it? |
| 00:37.34 | oversize | jelly, so if i add the backports i know that no backport is suddenly installed by 'upgrade' because of this pinning mechanism? or should i delete it afterwards again ? |
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| 00:38.28 | Kerr | karsten: how would i be able to verify that? |
| 00:39.05 | liable | geo-rge: i get the reply from the third server. |
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| 00:39.33 | jelly | oversize: both pinning (done correctly) and removing from sources.list would work. |
| 00:39.59 | jelly | oversize: I mean, either method should work |
| 00:40.05 | dendrite | bokey: Please don't msg me. :-) |
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| 00:40.19 | liable | geo-rge: incorrect, it times out |
| 00:40.33 | bokey | dendrite, =) |
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| 00:42.35 | liable | geo-rge: from the second server, "reply from unexpected source" |
| 00:42.45 | liable | then a time out |
| 00:43.29 | oversize | jelly, thx. seems to have worked 8) |
| 00:43.40 | concept10 | is fdisk the app that tests for errors (30 x root mounts) on boot? |
| 00:43.42 | bokey | :( |
| 00:43.52 | liable | concept10: fsck |
| 00:44.18 | concept10 | liable, thanks (bad memory) |
| 00:44.25 | liable | np |
| 00:44.38 | Kerr | how can i check if a randomly non-working sarge install (that can still bw mounted, from my new, shiny etch install) is dead due to a decaying partition table, or disk platter? I don't wanna get rid of a perfectly functional drive. |
| 00:44.59 | concept10 | liable, do you now if fsck has the capability to check vfat (fat32) |
| 00:45.13 | blondie | Kerr: test the drive using manufacturer's boot CD |
| 00:45.32 | concept10 | liable, nevermind its fsck.vfat |
| 00:45.42 | jelly | concept10: there is a fsck for vfat in the dosfstools package |
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| 00:47.02 | Kerr | blondie: boot cd? |
| 00:47.17 | blondie | yes |
| 00:47.40 | blondie | they usually have a diagnostic program you can download in an .iso, burn to CD then boot from |
| 00:47.57 | blondie | and it has a thing for testing the drive |
| 00:48.01 | Kerr | i don't have a cd writer |
| 00:48.14 | blondie | well they might have a floppy version :P |
| 00:48.28 | concept10 | jelly, liable thanks. I ran dosfsck -a /dev/sdb1 (usb external) it took about 10 secs. I dont think that checked the entire drive |
| 00:48.31 | squisher | Kerr check the smart log (apt-get install smart). Will give you kind of cryptic output, but you might see something |
| 00:48.31 | Kerr | i guess i could get a friend to try :/ i think the drive is a seagate |
| 00:48.50 | blondie | yeah seagate should have one... i forget what the program is called |
| 00:48.54 | MatBoy | damn compiling a kernel on one XEON 500 is slow |
| 00:49.02 | IronM | hi abrotman :) ... have you already remastered debian install CDs ? |
| 00:49.04 | blondie | but it's on the downloads/support sections of their website |
| 00:49.08 | abrotman | IronM: eh ? |
| 00:49.08 | Kerr | E: Couldn't find package smart |
| 00:49.14 | jelly | concept10: no, that would check only the filesystem metadata. |
| 00:49.21 | blondie | MatBoy: compiling kernels is not a debian thing :o |
| 00:49.24 | squisher | Kerr: do a search then, might be smartd |
| 00:49.26 | IronM | how are you doing today abrotman ? |
| 00:49.33 | MatBoy | blondie, that's why I do it on CentOS :p |
| 00:49.42 | blondie | MatBoy: DISGUSTING! :p |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | IronM: fine ... |
| 00:50.13 | MatBoy | blondie, Debian is doing strange on internal/external disk management with sda sdb and so on external is beginning from sda :S |
| 00:50.15 | concept10 | jelly, hrm |
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| 00:50.17 | jelly | concept10: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:50.23 | IronM | great abrotman .. have a nice weekend ;-) |
| 00:50.27 | MatBoy | blondie, I have a bowl for you where you spuw in :P |
| 00:50.36 | MatBoy | blondie, wanna beer ? |
| 00:50.43 | bokey | abrotman, leaving ? |
| 00:50.47 | bokey | !beer |
| 00:50.47 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 00:50.51 | bokey | !beer more |
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| 00:51.00 | abrotman | leaving ? |
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| 00:51.18 | concept10 | jelly, I just run a fsck on this fat32 external drive. It complains alot when its inadvertently unmounted. so I just want to make sure everything is okay |
| 00:51.21 | karsten | Hrm. No 2.4 kernel sources. |
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| 00:51.27 | blondie | bloo_sky: no thanks |
| 00:51.28 | bokey | abrotman, nothing... thought you were leaving. gonna say g'bye |
| 00:51.28 | blondie | erm |
| 00:51.32 | blondie | MatBoy: no thanks ) |
| 00:51.33 | jelly | concept10: well don't do it then |
| 00:51.58 | bokey | where's itchi ? |
| 00:52.02 | bokey | !seen itchi |
| 00:52.02 | dpkg | itchi is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 63 messages. Is idling for 1h 11m 48s, last said: 'RvGaTe: 'I need to buy beer', it mean'. |
| 00:52.09 | IronM | yes abrotman... it is late here in germany |
| 00:52.11 | concept10 | jelly, no fault of mine, the power supply on this stupid external case, turns the drive off every once in a while, and it unmounts |
| 00:52.17 | IronM | gn8 |
| 00:52.35 | RvGaTe | bokey, thx for lighting my irc up :P |
| 00:52.37 | concept10 | jelly, I guess the pwr supply is weak |
| 00:52.41 | jelly | concept10: do run umount / eject on external drives before unplugging them, or you'll lose data (though possibly not fs consistency) |
| 00:52.54 | bokey | itchi's gone to /usr/local/pub |
| 00:52.55 | jelly | concept10: oh, nm then |
| 00:52.57 | bokey | RvGaTe, ? |
| 00:53.22 | RvGaTe | bokey, whenever someone says something with my name in it, my irc starts flashing :P |
| 00:53.41 | bokey | RvGaTe, hehhe.. =) |
| 00:53.41 | MatBoy | blondie, this time you don't have to pay my beer too :p |
| 00:53.46 | concept10 | jelly, i know about umounting (I usually eject from Nautilus) but like I say, its not my fault. So I just want to check it from time to time. |
| 00:53.48 | itchi | bokey: I'm near, reading some stuff |
| 00:53.58 | RvGaTe | itchi, ! :P |
| 00:53.59 | blondie | i dont like beer |
| 00:54.02 | itchi | bokey: Got an new book about Python :-) |
| 00:54.04 | bokey | itchi, there you are! =) |
| 00:54.12 | bokey | itchi, ahh.. |
| 00:54.24 | bokey | itchi, read read.. =) won't disturb you. =) |
| 00:54.28 | MatBoy | itchi, watch out he don't byte ;) |
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| 00:54.50 | MatBoy | concept10, Palm is better |
| 00:55.00 | admin__ | What are some popular CD burning programs? |
| 00:55.01 | jelly | concept10: well, vfat is very simple... if you didn't have any activity the fs would probably be clean all right. |
| 00:55.10 | MatBoy | concept10, Heineken is doing better in the US than here :) |
| 00:55.16 | itchi | Programming Python, 3rd Edition By Mark Lutz Publisher: O'Reilly coool |
| 00:55.18 | MatBoy | admin__, k3b !!!!!!!! |
| 00:55.21 | concept10 | MatBoy, Palm as in beer? or as in PDA |
| 00:55.22 | admin__ | MatBoy: other then that |
| 00:55.23 | comsa | nero |
| 00:55.36 | MatBoy | admin__, the only fast en flexible I know |
| 00:55.38 | jelly | cdrecord :-) |
| 00:55.39 | admin__ | MatBoy: I need one that is multiplatform and can burn ISOs |
| 00:55.40 | MatBoy | concept10, beer |
| 00:55.51 | MatBoy | admin__, k3b is |
| 00:55.55 | MatBoy | and can |
| 00:55.58 | concept10 | MatBoy, never heard, and im a expert beer drinker |
| 00:56.02 | admin__ | MatBoy: dosnt run on windozeeee |
| 00:56.07 | karsten | Feh. Why does lftp hang in FEAT negotiation. Is that passive/active ftp mode? |
| 00:56.08 | bokey | !beer concept10 |
| 00:56.11 | MatBoy | concept10, it's sweet beer, you really should try it |
| 00:56.16 | jelly | admin__: do you need a gui? |
| 00:56.18 | admin__ | MatBoy: I love K3B, but my parents cant use it on htier win machine |
| 00:56.18 | MatBoy | I can send it to you if you want |
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| 00:56.31 | admin__ | jelly: Its for a Win machine, but i would like to use a linux/open source program |
| 00:56.32 | MatBoy | admin__, it's even better than Nero !!! |
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| 00:56.43 | admin__ | MatBoy: STOP, i fecking know, I've used it before |
| 00:56.57 | abrotman | sng: HELP! |
| 00:56.59 | MatBoy | admin__, it's just the best :) and fastest |
| 00:57.07 | comsa | nero |
| 00:57.15 | bokey | itchi, =).. get going.. where are you ? chapter 1 page 2 ? |
| 00:57.19 | MatBoy | concept10, you do have an opener ? |
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| 00:57.31 | concept10 | I just had 4 nice ladies at the beer store try to convince me to buy some cheap Tequilla |
| 00:57.47 | concept10 | MatBoy, Key chain opener |
| 00:57.53 | itchi | bokey: haha, nope chapter 2, heh 1596 pages |
| 00:57.54 | MatBoy | concept10, that means that they want to drink that and have some good sex... you stupid :p |
| 00:58.23 | bokey | itchi, yeah it's a thick book. why didn't you go for "Learning Python" book ? |
| 00:58.37 | efaistos_ | is there a way to limit the number of mails send by user with postfix ? |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | if you have to limit that .. kill the user |
| 00:59.10 | itchi | bokey: Try Python, you will be love it. Maybe O'Reilly too |
| 00:59.15 | MatBoy | concept10, are you back to the store now ;) |
| 00:59.15 | concept10 | MatBoy, no, they were company reps, they told me "its grown on 'Red land' " ??? I told them I've been to Mexico 50 times, and all of the dirt is red |
| 00:59.25 | bokey | itchi, i have workable python knowledge |
| 00:59.26 | efaistos_ | abrotman: ;) |
| 00:59.28 | bokey | itchi, =) |
| 00:59.37 | efaistos_ | s |
| 00:59.37 | MatBoy | concept10, every woman wants sex... damn, you linux-nerd :p |
| 00:59.40 | efaistos_ | avb |
| 00:59.48 | concept10 | MatBoy, thats not true |
| 00:59.49 | efaistos_ | abrotman: some are spamming .... |
| 00:59.58 | abrotman | kill the user |
| 00:59.58 | jelly | efaistos_: what is "a user"? A unix user, a local ip addr? |
| 01:00.06 | abrotman | MatBoy: do you have a debian question ? |
| 01:00.15 | efaistos_ | unix user |
| 01:00.16 | itchi | bokey: There are some super great chapters in, very interesting for my |
| 01:00.33 | bokey | itchi, =) |
| 01:00.37 | MatBoy | abrotman, no I was helping someone with k3b but he thinks Nero is better so he left |
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| 01:01.00 | bokey | itchi, i wrote this small tutorial for python @ http://groups.google.com/group/developers-nepal/browse_thread/thread/a7fb3b8781acb7ae/fcc098dd5178cd20#fcc098dd5178cd20 |
| 01:01.45 | MatBoy | blondie, aboutr the compiling kernels... it's not an issue indeed anymore these days with those kernel-images |
| 01:01.57 | concept10 | Im so used to using ctrl + w in terminal, i closed the channel window |
| 01:01.59 | jelly | efaistos_: I don't know about postfix specifically, but I suppose one could write a wrapper around /usr/sbin/sendmail. ... maybe someone in #postfix would be of more help |
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| 01:02.11 | concept10 | abrotman, were you about to ride my ass too? |
| 01:02.20 | abrotman | no |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | you're not cute enough |
| 01:02.32 | concept10 | heh |
| 01:02.49 | concept10 | I love abrotman, best guy on irc |
| 01:02.54 | jelly | efaistos_: our programmers are currently writing such a wrapper to use on web hosting servers. |
| 01:03.46 | itchi | bokey: Yeah, for some topic, i have need of an book, otherwise i gona give to many headaches on #python ;-) |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | stoned: your sense of humor is severely lacking |
| 01:04.05 | MatBoy | concept10, your really want to have that road-trip or don't you :p |
| 01:04.14 | stoned | abrotman, keep your shit to yourself please |
| 01:04.30 | MatBoy | stoned, it will come from the person he is riding :P |
| 01:04.32 | itchi | bokey: I'm already experienced with Python, just need some more stuff |
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| 01:04.44 | bokey | itchi, right. |
| 01:04.51 | jelly | efaistos_: currently we kill the user ;-) but a lot of spam can be sent between a spammer exploits a web app and someone noticing the mail surge |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | stoned: try a /ignore :) |
| 01:05.16 | stoned | abrotman, once again, go fuck yourself |
| 01:05.17 | stoned | :) |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | stoned: are you going to cry? |
| 01:05.35 | concept10 | MatBoy, Road trip? Yeah, im about to go on road trip to get some cigs |
| 01:05.42 | stoned | abrotman, if that helps you sleep at night, sure |
| 01:05.55 | abrotman | why would it help me? that's so stupid |
| 01:06.07 | MatBoy | concept10, chicks I hope |
| 01:06.08 | concept10 | Calm down guys |
| 01:06.19 | bokey | !beer concept10 |
| 01:06.21 | stoned | abrotman, then keep one channels shit in there. #debian-offtopic discussions should be not be brought here |
| 01:06.29 | bokey | concept10, =) |
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| 01:06.36 | abrotman | stoned: you're crying!!!! |
| 01:06.41 | jelly | it's a11y anyway |
| 01:06.43 | Azar | he is |
| 01:06.44 | bokey | hehe |
| 01:06.49 | bokey | !beer abrotman |
| 01:06.50 | concept10 | bokey, you keep giving me beers, I have em already |
| 01:06.51 | stoned | abrotman, you can't accomplish what you're trying to do :) |
| 01:07.00 | MatBoy | abrotman, I have not seen any water comming this way |
| 01:07.03 | bokey | !beer more concept10 |
| 01:07.12 | jelly | !abuse |
| 01:07.12 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 01:07.17 | abrotman | stoned: which would be? |
| 01:07.21 | bokey | concept10, i stop |
| 01:07.43 | concept10 | !abuse | beer |
| 01:07.44 | dpkg | | beer: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
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| 01:07.46 | stoned | well, I'm gonna go download todays updated packages |
| 01:07.59 | stoned | last time I had to get 400+mb worth packages |
| 01:08.03 | MatBoy | stoned, damn, rsync them :P you are an IT-er :P |
| 01:08.16 | stoned | MatBoy, too lazy, or stoned |
| 01:08.17 | stoned | pick one |
| 01:08.17 | stoned | :) |
| 01:08.27 | MatBoy | stoned, that's where you need rsync for |
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| 01:08.43 | stoned | well, to set it up, i'll probably get it done next weekened |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | stoned: too scared to answer ? |
| 01:08.51 | concept10 | rsync for apt ? |
| 01:08.54 | stoned | abrotman, sure |
| 01:08.57 | jelly | stoned: I don't believe this channel is meant for users to announce their running apt-get upgrade :-P |
| 01:09.12 | stoned | jelly, no, its about debian discussion. I'm discussing debian |
| 01:09.13 | abrotman | stoned: thanks for proving me right .. |
| 01:09.18 | MatBoy | stoned, mhh are those sticky's that powerfull those days that you need a week to recover ?? :9 |
| 01:09.19 | stoned | abrotman, anytime |
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| 01:10.48 | concept10 | I've been curious, do most people run stable or testing? (for desktop) |
| 01:11.00 | stoned | concept10, I run unstable :) |
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| 01:11.04 | MatBoy | testing !!! |
| 01:11.09 | infernix | yeah well he's stoned |
| 01:11.12 | infernix | i run testing |
| 01:11.16 | buggarage | i run mixin |
| 01:11.19 | RvGaTe | Is it really impossible to use 2 "sound generating applications" on 1 sound device? i have my default sound device set to my usb headset. My XMMS is also set to puke sound to the headset... and when i startup a second program, lets say Nexuiz (great game) i dont have any sound in-game... |
| 01:11.20 | stoned | infernix, 4 years of sid on this box... |
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| 01:11.26 | jelly | I don't run. |
| 01:11.26 | infernix | stoned: you're stoned |
| 01:11.29 | MatBoy | sarge is "too old" every time for a workstation in my opinion |
| 01:11.30 | stoned | never once had to reinstall, never once has it broken bad enough |
| 01:11.43 | stoned | MatBoy, Etch will be released shortly |
| 01:11.54 | MatBoy | stoned, I will be still on testing after it |
| 01:11.59 | MatBoy | Sid in this case |
| 01:12.06 | stoned | I'll still be on unstable, and only my servers will upgrade |
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| 01:12.09 | jelly | MatBoy: nope |
| 01:12.10 | RvGaTe | But when i close down XMMS, and restart Nexuiz, i do get sound |
| 01:12.16 | MatBoy | jelly, ow |
| 01:12.19 | concept10 | stoned, I have broken debian systems, but never had to reinstall to get out of trouble |
| 01:12.22 | sid | MatBoy: stable is great for a production environment. |
| 01:12.27 | jelly | MatBoy: sid is always unstable |
| 01:12.31 | stoned | I like sid |
| 01:12.36 | stoned | in fact, I love sid |
| 01:12.37 | MatBoy | I ran 2 yeras all my servers on testing :) |
| 01:12.45 | jelly | what's the name for etch+1? |
| 01:12.46 | MatBoy | I never had a better dist-upgrade :D |
| 01:12.51 | concept10 | Ive been on this same piece of shit partion abusing it for three years |
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| 01:13.00 | bathat | anyone know why i might be getting this error during boot of 2.6.19: 'no fs could mount root, tried: ext2, ext3, romfs'? |
| 01:13.07 | PerfDave | I used to run sid, gave up on it, reinstalled with Sarge |
| 01:13.21 | MatBoy | PerfDave, why no Etch ? |
| 01:13.32 | PerfDave | MatBoy: Why ETch? |
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| 01:13.42 | buggarage | sid here |
| 01:13.52 | MatBoy | PerfDave, because there is a big difference between Sarge and Sid |
| 01:13.58 | PerfDave | MatBoy: Yes, I know |
| 01:13.58 | MatBoy | there is something between it |
| 01:13.59 | jelly | bathat: custom kernel? |
| 01:14.03 | bathat | yep |
| 01:14.06 | buggarage | it's mostly unstable, it begins with dpkg not able to unpack end extract things correctly |
| 01:14.15 | PerfDave | MatBoy: I run Sarge because I want stability and security. |
| 01:14.18 | MatBoy | is there already a name for the new testing ? |
| 01:14.19 | jelly | bathat: using initrd/iniramfs or not? |
| 01:14.26 | bathat | yes i am |
| 01:14.28 | buggarage | but then again there is debootstrap :) |
| 01:14.44 | MatBoy | PerfDave, you have that also with Etch in my opinion and HW is better supported with new stuff |
| 01:14.46 | bathat | i've had some troubles with it but i've since fixed that |
| 01:15.00 | PerfDave | MatBoy: No, you don't get that with Etch. And my hardware is just fine with Sarge. |
| 01:15.10 | buggarage | an all the lovely ladies on the net who send me shiny tiny packages bit for bit lol |
| 01:15.25 | jelly | bathat: a) you forgot to compile in support for your initrd filesystem or b) you forgot to include support for your root filesystem, or c) your initrd isn't configured correctly to load the drivers for your root |
| 01:15.26 | MatBoy | so=do |
| 01:15.36 | concept10 | Does anyone know if Debian is adopting upstart? (the Ubuntu born replacement for sys v init) |
| 01:15.47 | MatBoy | PerfDave, ah nice.. I had had a Intel-board that was not supported that OK in Sarge |
| 01:16.00 | PerfDave | MatBoy: I make sure my hardware is supported by my OS before I buy it ;) |
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| 01:16.19 | bathat | jelly: i was trying to use modify the initramfs modules file and use update-initramfs earlier |
| 01:16.19 | PerfDave | concept10: ISTR that there was a working group started to discuss alternate init systems in Debian to allow a wide range to be adopted |
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| 01:16.21 | h3sp4wn | concept10: its in experimental however I don't fancy trying it |
| 01:16.26 | bathat | but i couldn't get it to work |
| 01:16.34 | MatBoy | PerfDave, I don't... that's only for servers... but that's mostly OK with good brands... for my workstation... I want to tweak a little bit |
| 01:16.35 | bathat | h3sp4wn was actually the one helping me |
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| 01:17.00 | jelly | bathat: you can always compile the relevant bits directly into the kernel |
| 01:17.11 | bathat | yeah, that's what i've been doing |
| 01:17.21 | bathat | i've been gradually modifying the config |
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| 01:17.47 | bathat | i'm using the new libata support, sata_nv |
| 01:18.21 | jelly | bathat: i'll be off now, but a screenshot would probably be useful for debugging |
| 01:18.21 | h3sp4wn | bathat: Is it a serial ata drive you have ? |
| 01:18.50 | bathat | sudo update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.19... /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19 has been altered. Cannot update. |
| 01:18.50 | MatBoy | bathat, why don't you place your drives in Encached mode in the kernel ? |
| 01:18.50 | bathat | h3sp4wn: yes |
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| 01:18.51 | MatBoy | Enchaced |
| 01:18.51 | jelly | bathat: you should have scsi support compiled in, also scsi-disk (sd_mod), your driver and your root fs (ext3?) |
| 01:18.57 | bathat | hmm, i have that compiled as a module... should i change that? |
| 01:19.07 | bathat | ext3, yes |
| 01:19.18 | bathat | but that's eide |
| 01:19.39 | jelly | bathat: no it's not ;-) At least for Linux it isn't |
| 01:19.49 | bathat | and i've said N to IDE/ATA-2 support since i have a sata disk |
| 01:19.55 | bathat | oh really |
| 01:20.00 | jelly | bathat: that's probably ok |
| 01:20.22 | jelly | bathat: pastebin your .config |
| 01:20.29 | bathat | ok, i'll try eide as a non-module |
| 01:20.37 | bokey | !beer me |
| 01:20.38 | bathat | how do i use pastebin? |
| 01:20.40 | jelly | bathat: you don't need edie at all |
| 01:20.45 | jelly | er |
| 01:20.49 | bokey | ahh. |
| 01:21.09 | jelly | bathat: that's not an issue. I just told you thing you need. |
| 01:21.11 | jelly | things |
| 01:21.14 | jelly | darn |
| 01:21.46 | jelly | !tell bathat -about paster |
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| 01:21.47 | bathat | well, my dvd drive is ide |
| 01:21.51 | bathat | jelly: yeah, i got it, thanks |
| 01:21.56 | jelly | bathat: but you don't need it for booting |
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| 01:22.13 | jelly | bathat: so it can be modularized |
| 01:22.23 | bathat | yeah, alright, makes sense |
| 01:22.32 | jelly | (or you can learn making proper initramfs... I never did ;-) |
| 01:22.49 | bathat | i wish i could get update-initramfs to work |
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| 01:23.40 | jelly | dunno, I think the easiest thing will be to get all the bits compiled into the kernel and not use initrd/initramfs at all |
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| 01:23.44 | bathat | i have sd_mod, scsi_mod, libata, and sata_nv in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 01:24.57 | bathat | well, the initrd has always worked fine for the debian kernel |
| 01:25.02 | jelly | bathat: I'll let someone who actually knows anything about initramfs-tools handle it then ;-) |
| 01:25.17 | bathat | ok, well thanks for the help |
| 01:25.40 | bathat | there's probably just one little thing i'm overlooking |
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| 01:27.32 | dembug | Hi all, Im building some duo systems based on the i965 chipset, Don't know if any of you are aware of this but the ide-core seems to be insufficient to read the disk once its been booted, does anyone know a "increased cd-rom support" iso I can use? I've tried the current, the dvd, and the netboot but none of have the "no common-cddrive detected" error, is there anything I can do to get these i965 chipset ide drivers available |
| 01:27.58 | dembug | Im using the Gigabyte GA965-GM-S2 |
| 01:28.35 | bathat | is there a way to see if my motherboard supports pci hotplug? |
| 01:28.43 | abrotman | compared to sarge? |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | bathat: how much did it cost ? |
| 01:29.06 | bathat | it's a dfi lp sli-d |
| 01:29.17 | bathat | so i'd say the chances are very good |
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| 01:30.44 | abrotman | you didn't answer the question |
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| 01:31.05 | bathat | yeah sorry... about $130 msrp |
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| 01:32.14 | bathat | ah, i'm going to try building sata_nv into the kernel |
| 01:32.16 | Vme | how can i check what my volume is set at from the command line? |
| 01:32.24 | bathat | i bet that will do it |
| 01:32.35 | jelly | bathat: way to go! :-) |
| 01:32.42 | abrotman | bathat: i dout it |
| 01:32.44 | abrotman | doubt it |
| 01:32.55 | Azar | the alsamixer? |
| 01:32.59 | bathat | abrotman: don't be so pessimistic :P |
| 01:33.04 | Vme | alsamixer? |
| 01:33.14 | abrotman | bathat: then check the manuf website |
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| 01:33.26 | jelly | bathat: don't forget scsi, sd, and ext3 (or whatever your root fs is) |
| 01:33.29 | bathat | yeah, that's what i'll have to do |
| 01:33.29 | Azar | Vme, not sure just try it |
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| 01:34.37 | jochi | which GPS software is better on Linux? |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | better ? |
| 01:35.08 | dembug | Hi all, Im building some duo systems based on the i965 chipset, Don't know if any of you are aware of this but the ide-core seems to be insufficient to read the disk once its been booted, does anyone know a "increased cd-rom support" iso I can use? I've tried the current, the dvd, and the netboot but none of have the "no common-cddrive detected" error, is there anything I can do to get these i965 chipset ide drivers available |
| 01:35.11 | dembug | (sorry to repeat) :< |
| 01:35.35 | jochi | better mean good for use |
| 01:35.42 | abrotman | dembug: which installer ? |
| 01:35.48 | dembug | ive tried several |
| 01:35.53 | dembug | current, netboot, businesscard |
| 01:35.58 | dembug | and the current-DVD |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | i meant .. sarge or etch ? |
| 01:36.07 | dembug | sarge |
| 01:36.12 | geo-rge | jochi: I'd say just try them |
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| 01:36.17 | dembug | but i do have one etch disk i tried |
| 01:36.19 | dembug | no luck |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | there's a sarge installer with a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | not official of course |
| 01:36.43 | dembug | heh |
| 01:36.49 | PerfDave | dembug: Have you tried googlging for "i965 debian" or "i965 linux"? |
| 01:36.52 | dembug | i take it it would have the latest support |
| 01:36.55 | dembug | yes PerfDave i have |
| 01:37.08 | dembug | PerfDave: literally, nothing ;< |
| 01:37.28 | PerfDave | dembug: Be sure to write somethingwhen you get it sorted |
| 01:37.28 | jochi | where? |
| 01:37.37 | dembug | will do |
| 01:37.39 | Azar | dembug: 2.6.18 is the highest kernel atm, and most likely to have more hardware support |
| 01:37.45 | jochi | i cannt found it |
| 01:37.56 | abrotman | Azar: .19 was released |
| 01:37.59 | dembug | 2.6.8 is used in the current i think |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 01:38.04 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.18 is probably if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 01:38.11 | dembug | ta ;o |
| 01:38.15 | Azar | abrotman: well, the "just in" most likely with bugs |
| 01:39.16 | dembug | wow 19rc3 |
| 01:39.20 | dembug | i might just give it a go |
| 01:39.24 | dembug | Thanks guys, you've been so helpful |
| 01:39.25 | dembug | appreciated |
| 01:39.35 | dembug | haha |
| 01:39.39 | ProwL | rofl |
| 01:39.50 | dembug | i had to cut a heatsink to space for 2 caps today :( |
| 01:39.54 | dembug | i got another 2 to do ;/ |
| 01:40.04 | PerfDave | I always tell people on #debian to avoid backports if they possibly can. SHould have followed my own advice. |
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| 01:40.11 | dembug | hah |
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| 01:40.39 | dembug | well if you've got any alternatives PerfDave, I'm listening :) |
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| 01:40.46 | PerfDave | I should also follow my own advice about downloading DVD ISOs rather than netinstalling |
| 01:41.13 | PerfDave | Half an hour to get X and kdebase :/ |
| 01:41.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:41.23 | geo-rge | PerfDave: it's possible you have other things going on that helped with the problems... but it sounds like the kernel you downloaded didn't have appropriate deps |
| 01:41.31 | dembug | PerfDave hahah was there yesterday |
| 01:41.38 | dembug | wasnt funny when i realised i needed libxinema |
| 01:41.39 | dembug | :< |
| 01:41.53 | PerfDave | geo-rge: Nah, it's just that udev isa pile of shit |
| 01:41.56 | dembug | had to change my xserver, and apt source |
| 01:42.27 | geo-rge | can you be more specific? |
| 01:42.35 | PerfDave | geo-rge: I don't need to be |
| 01:43.02 | abrotman | it's not a virus .. it's udev! |
| 01:43.09 | dembug | lol |
| 01:43.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, viruses are easier to avoid |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:43.22 | geo-rge | can you support your statements? (blanket statements such as the one you made has often been interpreted as trolling) |
| 01:43.30 | PerfDave | And do less damage to your system |
| 01:43.31 | dembug | viruses are easier to detect..before its too late |
| 01:43.32 | dembug | :O |
| 01:43.53 | karsten | My. RH _do_ like to patch their kernels. |
| 01:44.45 | PerfDave | karsten: It'sEnterprise Ready! |
| 01:45.24 | dembug | wish me luck with the backport |
| 01:45.28 | dembug | ttyl |
| 01:45.30 | PerfDave | Good luck |
| 01:46.16 | jochi | Ubrowser can run on Debian/Sid ? |
| 01:46.20 | jelly | PerfDave: udev rules! |
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| 01:46.37 | PerfDave | On the other hand, it might fail and I'll end up working with RedHat |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | at least it's not gentoo ? |
| 01:47.01 | PerfDave | But I work with RedHat and SuSE already so things couldn't get much worse. |
| 01:47.03 | geo-rge | gentoo has jobs? |
| 01:47.36 | jelly | PerfDave: I tried to install 2.6.16 from backports on a sarge machine _without udev_ and succeeded. |
| 01:47.38 | PerfDave | No, Apple hasJobs |
| 01:47.53 | PerfDave | jelly: How nice for you |
| 01:47.58 | dembug | PerfDave: you poor man |
| 01:48.03 | jelly | PerfDave: thanks |
| 01:49.02 | jelly | PerfDave: I mean, it can be done, you just have to show apt who's the boss. |
| 01:49.26 | PerfDave | jelly: That's kind of hard when udev's fucked your system and you don't have any device nodes. |
| 01:49.31 | geo-rge | that's typically done by building things yourself :) |
| 01:49.40 | dembug | lol |
| 01:49.41 | dembug | dont |
| 01:49.59 | dembug | i "built things myself" resulted in an hour in the shed cutting the heatsink to size :P |
| 01:50.09 | karsten | PerfDave: 266 patches. 885314 lines |
| 01:50.33 | PerfDave | dembug: You're not supposed to build your own CPU cores |
| 01:50.41 | dembug | thanks guys the later kernel is sexier :O |
| 01:50.43 | l3mr | is traffic shaping enabled in the default debian kernels ( kernel-image-xz )? How could i check this? |
| 01:50.44 | PerfDave | dembug: Though, y'know, kudos for having your own fab |
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| 01:50.54 | dembug | PerfDave ahha |
| 01:50.59 | dembug | believe me, its not worth it |
| 01:51.05 | jelly | PerfDave: I guess I was lucky to know beforehand the devil that is udev and didn't let that dependency resolve to it. |
| 01:51.20 | dembug | hillarious it thinks it has 2 eth ports |
| 01:51.21 | dembug | ;\ |
| 01:51.31 | PerfDave | MatBoy: You were expecting it to be slower? |
| 01:51.42 | karsten | MatBoy: -J16 is your friend. |
| 01:52.10 | MatBoy | karsten, I use -j24 now |
| 01:52.16 | PerfDave | -O23 --funroll-loops --rice-boy is your friend |
| 01:52.20 | jelly | PerfDave: (so I installed yaird first) |
| 01:52.25 | MatBoy | PerfDave, you never know what happens after a beer ;) |
| 01:52.40 | PerfDave | MatBoy: Tip, don't pour beer on your CPUs. |
| 01:52.45 | jelly | what are fun roll loops? |
| 01:52.57 | Azar | :) |
| 01:53.03 | MatBoy | PerfDave, I have beer-cooling here :) Alcohol has a good coefficient :p |
| 01:53.06 | PerfDave | jelly: They're a tasty and nutritious yet time-consuming snack made from rice. |
| 01:53.10 | karsten | MatBoy: Sure. |
| 01:53.11 | jelly | yum |
| 01:53.14 | geo-rge | they're like frootloops but they are shrimp flavor |
| 01:53.51 | geo-rge | unroll-loops is something you can pass to -f in gcc |
| 01:54.01 | jelly | Clearly gcc developers have a distinguished taste |
| 01:54.06 | Azar | kde is full of extra crap |
| 01:54.07 | MatBoy | karsten, I kewl myself with beer :) |
| 01:54.23 | PerfDave | Azar: That's why I'm installing kdebase, not kde |
| 01:54.38 | geo-rge | MatBoy: that's literally true... alc drops your body temp |
| 01:54.45 | Azar | PerfDave: that bloated too |
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| 01:54.52 | PerfDave | Azar: Nah, just fine |
| 01:55.03 | PerfDave | Runs very nicely on my old Stinky |
| 01:55.21 | MatBoy | geo-rge, indeed.. that is a problem when you get a car accident |
| 01:55.28 | Azar | I feel happy with minimal, no .dm |
| 01:55.32 | MatBoy | geo-rge, it's like you are in shock |
| 01:55.38 | ProwL | lol old Stinky? funroll's? you guys need your own wiki :P |
| 01:55.57 | geo-rge | you've been in a car accident when alc-ed? |
| 01:56.19 | dembug | :< |
| 01:56.21 | geo-rge | wiki.debian.net |
| 01:56.34 | ProwL | geo-rge: i meant for the irc :P |
| 01:56.45 | dererk | Hi all again |
| 01:56.54 | ProwL | allo dererk |
| 01:57.00 | geo-rge | <all-again> hi |
| 01:57.02 | dererk | Did anyone successfuly tried CK patches ? |
| 01:57.08 | PerfDave | Azar: Yeah, well, I like having a simple GUI |
| 01:57.14 | jelly | dererk: yes |
| 01:57.24 | dererk | jelly, real differences ? |
| 01:57.27 | geo-rge | tell dererk -about sicco |
| 01:57.41 | dererk | you missed the "!" :P |
| 01:57.41 | jelly | dererk: subjectively, yes ;-) |
| 01:57.55 | Azar | PerfDave: the only gadget I keep on my screen is gkrellm |
| 01:57.58 | dererk | jelly, Uhm, I'm afraid I couldn't get X loaded |
| 01:58.15 | geo-rge | dererk: you can look if you want |
| 01:58.22 | dererk | Everyone I asked used nvidia propierty drivers, but I don't want to |
| 01:58.27 | dembug | azar thx btw |
| 01:58.29 | dembug | working great |
| 01:58.40 | Azar | dembug: ? for what? |
| 01:58.49 | dembug | im using a unofficial backport |
| 01:58.53 | dembug | 2.6.19rc3 :) |
| 01:58.58 | dererk | geo-rge, got it :) |
| 01:58.58 | dembug | fixed my i965 issue |
| 01:59.02 | Azar | oh thank abrotman, he came up with the idea |
| 01:59.05 | jelly | dererk: that's strange |
| 01:59.09 | dembug | abrotman thanx dude |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | idea ? |
| 01:59.13 | dererk | jelly, yes, it's indeed :\ |
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| 01:59.22 | PerfDave | Calvin Klein patches? |
| 01:59.26 | Azar | abrotman: ok the suggestion |
| 01:59.38 | jelly | PerfDave: yep, they're really trendy |
| 01:59.38 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 01:59.53 | Azar | yes you did and I seconded you |
| 01:59.58 | dererk | PerfDave, http://kernel.kolivas.org |
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| 02:00.12 | dererk | PerfDave, Seems to get REAL performance difference |
| 02:00.42 | Azar | I only said that the higher the kernel, the more support after you said that he could try the 2.6.18 or even .19 |
| 02:01.03 | dererk | jelly, which graphic card are you using ? |
| 02:01.04 | jelly | dererk: I have 2.6.17-ckX on my laptop. Sound is less skippy, and the overall feel is _maybe_ for the machine to be a bit more reponsive |
| 02:01.21 | jelly | dererk: i915 (integrated) |
| 02:01.33 | dererk | jelly, Xorg own driver, right ? |
| 02:01.43 | dembug | meh |
| 02:01.46 | dembug | sata lost interupt because of ide |
| 02:01.47 | dembug | lmao |
| 02:01.48 | dembug | brb |
| 02:01.48 | dembug | :> |
| 02:01.48 | jelly | dererk: correct (there's no other) |
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| 02:02.03 | Azar | wouldn't be nice if there was open hardware so no more nvidia and ati drivers.. |
| 02:02.05 | dererk | jelly, hehehe, didn't know that :P |
| 02:02.35 | jelly | dererk: Intel's engineers put their drivers straight into xorg repos... |
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| 02:02.43 | dererk | Oh |
| 02:02.48 | dererk | Are they good ? |
| 02:03.29 | jelly | dererk: well, considering that the card is integrated and using shared memory, I guess they're decent. compiz runs. |
| 02:03.40 | dererk | Wow |
| 02:03.59 | dererk | It must be quite nice then |
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| 02:04.09 | dererk | jelly, thanks for the info ;) |
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| 02:04.32 | dclarke | hello |
| 02:04.45 | dererk | hi :) |
| 02:04.49 | dclarke | I'm still a noob linux user here |
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| 02:05.06 | jelly | dererk: it's not good enough for games though. The card gets 1.1fps in the futuremark demo ... cpu rendering is faster :-) |
| 02:05.10 | ProwL | forgiveness granted |
| 02:05.20 | dclarke | I was curious if anyone could enlighten me about the contents of /lib/modules ? |
| 02:05.58 | jochi | what mean the noob? |
| 02:06.06 | dclarke | I have this "Linux icarus 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux" |
| 02:06.25 | dclarke | and I have lots of things in lib/modules/2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty/ |
| 02:06.47 | jelly | dclarke: those are modules for your kernel |
| 02:07.07 | dclarke | they all end with .ko ... like emi62.ko |
| 02:07.12 | jelly | dclarke: yep. |
| 02:07.41 | dclarke | okay .. I guess that is correct then |
| 02:07.47 | dclarke | I was expecting something else |
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| 02:07.55 | dclarke | like .. no extension or .mod or ... |
| 02:08.02 | dclarke | anything but a .ko |
| 02:08.14 | jelly | dclarke: "kernel object" or something |
| 02:08.15 | dclarke | er , .ko = kernel object ? |
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| 02:08.21 | dclarke | ah .. |
| 02:08.25 | dclarke | we think alinke |
| 02:08.44 | jelly | dclarke: they were .o previously |
| 02:08.46 | dclarke | okay .. well .. .I now need to figure out how to get this machine to NOT start the gdm login process |
| 02:08.54 | geo-rge | don't be a dink... think alink! |
| 02:09.33 | geo-rge | perhaps .ko is a completely different kind of file... |
| 02:09.45 | dclarke | I have a fresh install and I need to get it to just listen for logins on the serial ttya console and no where else |
| 02:09.54 | dclarke | is there a manual somewhere for that ? |
| 02:10.07 | dclarke | I know that there is /etc/securetty and /etc/inittab |
| 02:10.25 | jelly | dclarke: well you can just uninstall gdm then |
| 02:10.44 | dclarke | jelly: um ... how ? |
| 02:10.51 | dclarke | jelly : pkrm gdm |
| 02:10.54 | dclarke | ? |
| 02:11.03 | jelly | dclarke: uhh... not on debian |
| 02:11.04 | geo-rge | dclarke: man inittab, man init, man (getty of your choice), man login |
| 02:11.10 | jelly | dclarke: apt-get remove gdm |
| 02:11.48 | dclarke | okay .. I will surf man pages |
| 02:12.08 | dclarke | I figured that setting up serial console would be very common and there would be a page on that .. somewhere |
| 02:12.10 | jelly | dclarke: how well versed are you in linux generally? |
| 02:12.27 | jochi | hi, all, which library include base64 function? i want to encode my email from plain to base64 in C/C++ language , but i cannt found any related lib with base64 |
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| 02:12.40 | geo-rge | dclarke: also read serial-howto |
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| 02:13.04 | dclarke | jelly: linux .. not very much at all |
| 02:13.13 | dclarke | jelly: Solaris ... lots and lots |
| 02:13.16 | jelly | dclarke: there's an example for console on serial in the default inittab, you can probably just uncomment it |
| 02:13.16 | MrKeuner | hi, is it possible to lock the touchpad device automatically if the keyboard is being used at that time, and re-eanble it when typing is no longer active? or is there a utility doing that in Gnome? |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 02:13.25 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 02:13.30 | jelly | dclarke: ok... first thing ttya is ttyS0 here ;-) |
| 02:13.35 | dclarke | jelly : that sounds ... too easy |
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| 02:13.43 | dclarke | jelly : oops |
| 02:13.46 | geo-rge | different gettys require different cmd-line options |
| 02:14.02 | dclarke | jelly : okay .. ttyS0 must be tty on Serial 0 then |
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| 02:14.26 | geo-rge | also you might use minicom to test your serial port |
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| 02:14.47 | jelly | that is, minicom on the other end |
| 02:14.50 | xuser | Is there a .rm to mp3 converter in linux? |
| 02:14.56 | dclarke | I have a DEC terminal here .. no need for minicom |
| 02:15.02 | jelly | ooh |
| 02:15.23 | jelly | is it amber? |
| 02:15.23 | dclarke | yes .. the new snazzy modern amber style |
| 02:15.31 | dclarke | bingo ! |
| 02:15.35 | dclarke | thats what it is |
| 02:15.41 | dclarke | I love the DEC terminals |
| 02:15.51 | dclarke | they are .. the ultimate debugging tools |
| 02:16.01 | jelly | that's the most readable term I've ever used... not these fancy color LCDs |
| 02:16.02 | dclarke | when all else goes to hell ... the terminal works |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | until the tube goes |
| 02:16.25 | dclarke | well ... its a bit big to lug around .. but yes .. easy on the eyes |
| 02:16.41 | dclarke | and I bought it new .. over $700 |
| 02:16.50 | dclarke | I figured it was worth every penny |
| 02:17.00 | unlink | awesome, vt420 |
| 02:17.00 | geo-rge | dclarke: ok... but you might want to test with a term emu on the OTHER SIDE of the wire |
| 02:17.23 | jelly | geo-rge: he has a real term, why an emu? |
| 02:17.26 | dclarke | geo-rge: I don't understand ? |
| 02:17.36 | dclarke | geo-rge: the term works |
| 02:17.44 | edju | xuser, vsound will do it. |
| 02:17.53 | dclarke | geo-rge: when the system boots I see the firmware load up |
| 02:18.03 | geo-rge | so do you know for sure that the serial link works, and do you have it set up properly? |
| 02:18.23 | geo-rge | do you know for sure which /dev/tt* it is? |
| 02:18.25 | dclarke | well ... when the machine powers on I see the firmware report |
| 02:18.28 | xuser | edju: ok, thanks. |
| 02:18.35 | dclarke | one sec ... |
| 02:18.49 | geo-rge | that's where minicom can be handy |
| 02:19.20 | geo-rge | jelly: serial-howto |
| 02:19.22 | Miesco_ | With wget, how do I specifiy what directory I want to the to go to? |
| 02:19.29 | jelly | geo-rge: how can minicom help to figure out which port to plug the cable into? |
| 02:19.32 | dclarke | here is a picture http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless_7.jpg |
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| 02:19.57 | geo-rge | you try with one, doesn't work? try with next, repeat while more of them |
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| 02:20.22 | jelly | geo-rge: well, it's the same thing with a real serial terminal. |
| 02:20.24 | dclarke | where is this file "serial-howto" kept ? |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | tldp.org ? |
| 02:20.55 | dclarke | before I get to that .. what is these "/sbin/getty 38400 tty1" ?? that are running |
| 02:21.06 | dclarke | I have six of them |
| 02:21.07 | jelly | dclarke: virtual consoles |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO.html |
| 02:21.17 | dclarke | really ? .. fascinating |
| 02:21.27 | jelly | dclarke: try pressing alt-f1 ... alt-f6 on the console, that's a linux thing |
| 02:21.44 | jelly | dclarke: you can have 6 users logged at the same time |
| 02:22.02 | dclarke | jelly : thats a hell of a restriction |
| 02:22.15 | dclarke | jelly : seriously ? |
| 02:22.16 | geo-rge | all in a cage match fighting for the keyboard and mouse :) |
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| 02:22.28 | dclarke | oh .. local logins |
| 02:22.37 | jelly | dclarke: I mean, at the console |
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| 02:22.41 | dclarke | I get it .. okay .. I'll get rid of those |
| 02:22.45 | geo-rge | six virtual consoles |
| 02:23.12 | geo-rge | !root |
| 02:23.12 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:23.19 | dclarke | jelly : I guess I need to get rid of those because there will be no such thing left |
| 02:23.26 | jelly | dclarke: no need |
| 02:23.42 | jelly | dclarke: common practice is to just leave them be |
| 02:23.47 | geo-rge | root: also, "root" may be quieted here |
| 02:23.50 | dclarke | jelly : but with a serial console ? |
| 02:23.57 | jelly | dclarke: yes. |
| 02:24.05 | dclarke | okay |
| 02:24.26 | jelly | dclarke: I only remove them on machines with serious shortage of memory (like, a 486 w/ 16 MB RAM) |
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| 02:25.37 | dclarke | jelly : this machine only has 128MB |
| 02:25.49 | geo-rge | you're still logged in as root :P |
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| 02:26.14 | dclarke | why? what ? no .. I have a user named sysadm |
| 02:26.24 | jelly | dclarke: I suppose you could reduce them to only two (in case you ever need to log in directly on the console) |
| 02:26.30 | geo-rge | not you, the root guy |
| 02:26.31 | dclarke | but I then su - |
| 02:26.49 | dclarke | jelly : I will need to login .. but only on the serial console ttyS0 |
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| 02:26.51 | unlink | how do i make a bitmap screen capture of the linux console? |
| 02:27.22 | xenux | hello |
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| 02:27.48 | geo-rge | Omardoperu: still in as root |
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| 02:28.16 | geo-rge | Omardoperu: quit irc, log root out, come back |
| 02:28.19 | dclarke | as a little feedback .. I have been using Debian for only a few days , had to reinstall twice , and am generally quite impressed |
| 02:28.22 | jelly | dclarke: also, your boot loader might have an option to run on serial. I don't know which one is used on ppc though... different boot loaders for every arch. |
| 02:28.53 | dclarke | jelly : yes, I was wondering about that and I figure I will use GRUB2 |
| 02:28.59 | concept10 | After creating a new ext3 partition, I am having problems using it as reg user, I tried su chown concept10 /mnt/drive but this doesnt work, suggestions? |
| 02:29.50 | enouf | try the -R option |
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| 02:30.37 | omar | hello |
| 02:30.38 | jelly | dclarke: might get more help with that in #debianppc |
| 02:30.44 | geo-rge | concept10: if you have dirs owned by users (like in /home) they'll be able to write |
| 02:31.46 | dclarke | jelly : okay .. for now I will muddle forwards |
| 02:31.58 | dclarke | jelly : hit my first issue with T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 02:32.15 | dclarke | that looks like I need the baud rate up to 115200 |
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| 02:32.31 | concept10 | enouf, that worked, thanks.. doesnt make sense though |
| 02:32.42 | omar | my totem doesn't make any sound |
| 02:32.49 | jelly | dclarke: I thought vt420 handled up to 38400? |
| 02:32.57 | concept10 | geo-rge, problem is that this wasnt in home, i was talking about /mnt |
| 02:33.04 | geo-rge | it depends on the serial link |
| 02:33.12 | enouf | concept10: sure it does |
| 02:33.21 | dclarke | jelly : this machine has a default of 115200 at the firmware and that is a real issue |
| 02:33.23 | geo-rge | concept10: what exactly do you want to do? |
| 02:33.39 | dclarke | jelly : I have to set the firmware to 9600 or so or I am toast here |
| 02:33.56 | concept10 | geo-rge, nm, its done |
| 02:34.00 | dclarke | really .. I want the 9600 but worry that the modern UARTs will kill my terminal session |
| 02:34.10 | xenux | i have make some test and now in prod whit debian and xen |
| 02:34.25 | dclarke | also .. this new $700 DEC terminal is brand new and it does do 115200 baud |
| 02:34.30 | xenux | know you a file system ok for cluster ?? |
| 02:34.42 | js_ | xenux: gfs? |
| 02:34.46 | concept10 | geo-rge, I made a ext3 partition, wanted to mount it with rw, you have to mount as root, so root had ownership, etc |
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| 02:35.05 | jelly | dclarke: wow. Didn't know they still made them. ;-) |
| 02:35.10 | Azar | omar, since when? |
| 02:35.11 | xenux | gfs is too much complex install no ? |
| 02:35.17 | xenux | whit sarge |
| 02:35.18 | dclarke | jelly : yeah .. but they cost a ton |
| 02:35.41 | dclarke | jelly : the older ones were limited .. these new one are the last of the DEC line and they are quick |
| 02:36.02 | dclarke | jelly : also .. no cigarette burns or coffee stains on the keyboard |
| 02:36.16 | jelly | heh |
| 02:36.46 | dclarke | I am reading man page for telinit |
| 02:36.50 | geo-rge | gawd, I knew this lab mgr... once during semester break, she was in there with major ashtrays full |
| 02:37.54 | geo-rge | that just sets runlevel, or requests system change the runlevel |
| 02:38.03 | dclarke | its an old habit .. I quit |
| 02:38.23 | geo-rge | good for you |
| 02:38.46 | dclarke | quit drinking also |
| 02:38.59 | dclarke | so now I'm a miserable old fart |
| 02:39.02 | dclarke | :-) |
| 02:39.11 | omar | yo soy el rootttttttttttt |
| 02:39.14 | jelly | dclarke: "init q" to reread inittab, just like on Solaris |
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| 02:39.34 | dclarke | jelly : I was thinking of doing that |
| 02:39.53 | dclarke | jelly : but I figure I should remove the graphics hardware and really reboot |
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| 02:40.11 | dclarke | also force the firmware to see the input and output device as ttya |
| 02:40.30 | jelly | dclarke: also, runlevels are not used much on Debian. You can just /etc/init.d/gdm stop; apt-get --purge remove gdm and X will (hopefully) stop. |
| 02:40.40 | jelly | dclarke: is this a Mac? |
| 02:40.56 | dclarke | no |
| 02:41.12 | geo-rge | gotta go... but I'll leave you with this... you might want to try running minicom from a non-serial console to try connecting to the dec term |
| 02:41.17 | geo-rge | when you |
| 02:41.22 | dclarke | jelly : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless_3.jpg |
| 02:41.42 | geo-rge | are debugging a physical serial connection, it's helpful |
| 02:41.59 | dclarke | jelly : but I removed the PCI riser so its actually even smaller |
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| 02:42.35 | jelly | dclarke: funny thing. What was it supposed to run? |
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| 02:43.21 | dclarke | jelly : PowerPC based OS's |
| 02:43.33 | dclarke | jelly : Debian and Fedora Core and Solaris |
| 02:43.33 | jelly | dclarke: also, if you're not going to have any graphic device at all, you probably can remove all those tty[1-6] |
| 02:43.48 | dclarke | jelly : that was what I was thinking |
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| 02:44.06 | dclarke | jelly : so just comment them out in the /etc/inittab I guess |
| 02:45.00 | jelly | dclarke: I thought it was a machine with keyboard, mouse, and a video device where a local console can come in handy |
| 02:45.21 | dclarke | jelly : at the moment it has a ATI Radeon graphics card and USB keyboard and mouse |
| 02:45.31 | dclarke | jelly : that all needs to be removed |
| 02:45.43 | dclarke | jelly : there will be nothing left but a serial port |
| 02:46.33 | dclarke | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/index.html <<--- perfect ! |
| 02:48.16 | jelly | dclarke: do you have a board with two ethernet ports like that? :-) |
| 02:48.38 | dclarke | jelly : its in the works ... |
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| 02:49.17 | abrotman | 2.5.1 IIRC |
| 02:49.20 | dclarke | jelly : see polaris.blastwave.org |
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| 02:49.36 | NewSense | when you mail to submit@bugs.debian.org, the report does not appear immediately on the bug tracker and needs to be aproved first? or is my mail stuck somewhere? |
| 02:49.43 | dclarke | abrotman: Solaris Nevada actually |
| 02:50.26 | PerfDave | NewSense: I think they're just queued and processed together, you'll receive notification when that happens. |
| 02:50.38 | NewSense | ah okay |
| 02:50.43 | bokey | hi is there a debian linux certification available like RHCE and Novell ? |
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| 02:51.01 | NewSense | cause GoogleMail complained about something weird |
| 02:51.04 | gravity | bokey: I don't think so |
| 02:51.07 | Serial | Hi :P |
| 02:51.35 | bokey | gravity, ok. I want to be Debian certified linux engineer or something |
| 02:51.39 | geo-rge | certs..... it's two mints in one! |
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| 02:51.51 | stoned | lol |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | everything i've read says 2.5.1 |
| 02:52.04 | bokey | !beer me |
| 02:52.11 | bokey | !beer itchi |
| 02:52.12 | dclarke | abrotman: welcome to the future ! |
| 02:52.26 | NewSense | bokey, you can be certified by the Linux Professional Institute |
| 02:52.41 | NewSense | which is distro independent |
| 02:52.44 | stoned | isn't there some sort of a linux+ cert? |
| 02:52.47 | bokey | NewSense, ahh.. right |
| 02:52.57 | stoned | where they teach you how to type a command |
| 02:53.11 | gravity | Typing? In linux? |
| 02:53.20 | stoned | I'm joking |
| 02:53.20 | gravity | This is already way over my head. |
| 02:53.29 | geo-rge | here's your command... cat... got that? ok, here's your cert |
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| 02:54.05 | dclarke | abrotman: http://research.sun.com/spotlight/2006/2006-06-14-SolarisPPC.html |
| 02:54.18 | dembug | hmm what should i put for architecture type for my duo in linux? P4? That seems the only nearest option there other than 386 |
| 02:54.20 | dembug | any ideas? :< |
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| 02:54.27 | dembug | (im compiling a kernel) |
| 02:54.59 | pickcoder | dembug: 686 smp |
| 02:55.04 | dembug | ahh oki |
| 02:55.05 | dembug | :) |
| 02:55.12 | PerfDave | Isn't a duo an em64t? |
| 02:55.27 | dembug | also known as 6x86MX? |
| 02:55.28 | dembug | :D |
| 02:55.43 | bokey | NewSense, thanks. =) |
| 02:55.46 | stoned | core 2 duo? |
| 02:55.48 | dembug | aye |
| 02:55.56 | dclarke | abrotman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/10/solaris_on_power/ |
| 02:55.57 | abrotman | http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/802-5366/6i94lvcc5?a=view |
| 02:56.02 | dembug | ive already checked smp used to compiling and that |
| 02:56.04 | PerfDave | dclarke: You probably want amd64 or something |
| 02:56.06 | dembug | just heh didnt know what option.. :O |
| 02:56.08 | abrotman | dclarke: 2.5.1 .. win me! |
| 02:56.09 | stoned | I want one |
| 02:56.23 | PerfDave | Core 2 Duo Twin Double |
| 02:56.23 | stoned | dembug, no I _really_ want one |
| 02:56.30 | stoned | Quad |
| 02:56.31 | dclarke | abrotman: dude ... I work on the port |
| 02:56.32 | dembug | i really want to be stoned, stoned. |
| 02:56.37 | dembug | cause right now duo is a bit of a pain :P |
| 02:56.45 | stoned | how so? |
| 02:56.48 | dembug | so 586/6x86 yea? |
| 02:56.51 | multi_io | Core2Duo is EM64T |
| 02:56.55 | pickcoder | dembug: do you need a 64bit kernel? |
| 02:57.00 | dembug | noo :( |
| 02:57.01 | multi_io | which is largely x64-64 aka AMD64 |
| 02:57.05 | dembug | im wondering what to put for 32bit :) |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | dclarke: 2.5.1 had PPC version |
| 02:57.24 | multi_io | pentium-m? |
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| 02:57.30 | dembug | currently 586/K5/fx86/6x86/6x86MX |
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| 02:57.39 | dembug | or 386 |
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| 02:57.46 | dclarke | abrotman: that was .. like ... in he last millenium |
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| 02:57.55 | abrotman | dclarke: it still happened .. |
| 02:58.00 | pickcoder | gah.. I can not get this zr36120 tuner working |
| 02:58.21 | dembug | does anybody know what to put? :< |
| 02:58.24 | dclarke | abrotman: yes .. I know |
| 02:58.39 | dembug | I'd hate to just go with i386 and/or P4 and be wrong ;/ |
| 02:58.47 | dclarke | abrotman: but .. that was brief and then gone |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | so what? |
| 02:59.08 | multi_io | dembug: Pentium M |
| 02:59.20 | abrotman | jelly said he didn't know Solaris had been ported to PPC .. and i pointed out the 2.5.1 release |
| 02:59.24 | dclarke | abrotman: dunno |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | oh ffs |
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| 03:00.17 | jelly | !win abrotman |
| 03:00.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 03:00.27 | jelly | abrotman: there! :-) |
| 03:00.45 | pickcoder | dembug: if you don't need a 64bit kernel then just compile for 686 smp |
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| 03:04.29 | ixrp_ | i have an unexpected behaviour with de grep command; the ^ caracter isn't recogniced well; if i run fron a script all is allright; any ideas? Example: ls -1|grep ^1- |
| 03:05.37 | ixrp_ | with this example, from command line, no results; from a script the correct results (all entries with begin "1-") |
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| 03:07.39 | abrotman | egrep ? |
| 03:08.01 | ixrp_ | abrotman, with egrep the same behaviour |
| 03:08.15 | unlink | is there a lighter-weight arm-targeting C compiler available than gcc? |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | ask #c or #arm maybe |
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| 03:10.35 | PerfDave | ixrp_: What shell are you using? |
| 03:12.15 | ixrp_ | PerfDave: bash 3.1-5 |
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| 03:13.10 | PerfDave | ixrp_: Hmm, that shouldn't be intercepting anything, but quoting your grep pattern may be a good precaution. |
| 03:13.25 | PerfDave | ixrp_: You know you could just do "ls -1 1-*", right? |
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| 03:17.30 | ixrp_ | PerfDave; ls -1 1-* don't work. |
| 03:17.45 | ixrp_ | PerfDave: only shows . and .. |
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| 03:18.10 | ixrp_ | PerfDave; there isn't any alias on .bashrc at all. |
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| 03:18.47 | ixrp_ | PerfDave; quoting my grep regexp win ' or " ? |
| 03:18.57 | ixrp_ | *with |
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| 03:21.35 | ixrp_ | PerfDave; ls -1 1-* isn't the same as ls -1 |grep ^1-; the first (ls) find and list any dir that begin with the pattern; the second (ls with grep) find any file or dir that begin in current dir. do you realise? |
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| 03:22.08 | PerfDave | ixrp_: OK, ls -1d 1-* |
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| 03:22.30 | arrenlex | What might I use to modify the contents of a debian package? |
| 03:22.33 | PerfDave | Anyway, sleep now |
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| 03:23.17 | ixrp_ | Perfdave; ok, good night |
| 03:23.45 | abrotman | arrenlex: such as ? |
| 03:23.45 | dLinkCrawxor | The #debian channel is full of arrogant jerks. |
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| 03:23.46 | abrotman | why is PerfDave still awke |
| 03:23.46 | abrotman | dLinkCrawxor: are you done ? |
| 03:24.07 | arrenlex | dLinkCrawxor: Hi. :) |
| 03:24.19 | dLinkCrawxor | Hi |
| 03:24.26 | ixrp_ | dlinkcrawsor; hi. |
| 03:24.27 | arrenlex | abrotman: I want to take a file out of a package that checkinstall made. |
| 03:24.28 | dLinkCrawxor | what is the best distro |
| 03:24.41 | abrotman | stop trolling |
| 03:24.59 | abrotman | arrenlex: you can unpack a deb |
| 03:25.05 | gravity | Your mom is totally the best distro |
| 03:25.08 | ixrp_ | dlinkcrawsor; the best distro is the best distro for you and your specific needs. there isn't a perfec distro. |
| 03:25.14 | arrenlex | abrotman: Yes. But I don't know how to pack it back up again with the same control file. |
| 03:25.33 | abrotman | !mg |
| 03:25.33 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 03:26.31 | arrenlex | abrotman: I'll check it out, thank you |
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| 03:31.39 | arrenlex | abrotman: This guide is very helpful if I want to build a debian package from program source, or if I want to update that package after having changed the program source. It's not helpful for when you have an existing package you want to modify, unless one of the headings is being cryptic. |
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| 03:32.25 | cast | if i put a gpg command in /etc/rc.local, is gpg going to use /root/.gnupg as its directory? or will it not know where to find .gnupg |
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| 03:33.41 | abrotman | arrenlex: it's already installed |
| 03:34.06 | lkthomas | anyone know how to use vi to add same text on the end of each line ? |
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| 03:34.30 | arrenlex | abrotman: What is? |
| 03:34.51 | abrotman | the package ? |
| 03:34.59 | arrenlex | abrotman: No, I haven't installed it yet. |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | lkthomas: s/$/<text>/g |
| 03:35.14 | arrenlex | abrotman: I wish to take a file out of the package. I know I don't need this file. |
| 03:35.22 | arrenlex | abrotman: This package was made with checkinstall. |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | is the package installed or not ? |
| 03:35.41 | arrenlex | abrotman: No. |
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| 03:36.07 | squisher | cast: Init scripts are run by root, so I'd say gpg will look in /root |
| 03:36.32 | abrotman | so unpack it .. change the contents .. repack it |
| 03:36.46 | dclarke | I'm still here flailing along ... how does one check the apf-get catalog for available versions of GCC ? |
| 03:36.58 | dclarke | apt-cache show `*gcc*` ?? |
| 03:37.01 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 03:37.01 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 03:37.04 | abrotman | apt-cache search gcc |
| 03:37.05 | arrenlex | abrotman: I can unpack it. I can change the contents. I'm asking for some help repacking it. |
| 03:37.19 | abrotman | the maintainers guide should cover that |
| 03:37.52 | arrenlex | abrotman: I looked over the guide and didn't find information relevant to repacking a package from already compiled files. There was information about how to rebuild a package after modifying source. |
| 03:38.28 | dclarke | cool .. Okay .. now I will remove gcc 4.1 and install gcc 3.4 |
| 03:38.34 | dclarke | hopefully thats safe |
| 03:38.36 | pickcoder | arrenlex: there is information there for packing binaries |
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| 03:41.11 | arrenlex | pickcoder: I've looked over it again and I can't find the section. Could you please point out where? |
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| 03:42.07 | kabootar | is there a good utility available for configuring wifi settings? I am after a graphical program |
| 03:42.45 | pickcoder | arrenlex: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html |
| 03:43.01 | pickcoder | put files in their respective FHS locations |
| 03:43.18 | pickcoder | create the required files |
| 03:44.01 | pickcoder | review section 5 for pre-install, post-install, pre-remove, and post-remove scripts |
| 03:44.15 | pickcoder | as well as cron tabs |
| 03:45.01 | kabootar | debian stable is the most unstable install ive ever had. funny that.. |
| 03:45.22 | dclarke | I found debian etch to be pretty damn easy |
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| 03:45.52 | sid | kabootar: What version of debian are you running? |
| 03:46.00 | kabootar | ** glibc detected *** doubkle free or corruption (fastop) : 0x2323423 |
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| 03:46.14 | kabootar | sid, i am not sure. how can i check? |
| 03:46.25 | sid | kabootar: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:46.44 | kabootar | it says testing/unstable |
| 03:46.53 | sid | kabootar: So then you aren't using debian stable. |
| 03:46.54 | jjones | using lvm/mdadm, is it possible to just use a partion of the disks for raid? |
| 03:47.06 | sid | kabootar: So then your comment " debian stable is the most unstable install ive ever had. funny that.." makes sense now get it? |
| 03:47.49 | jjones | or do the the whole disks need to be dedicated for software raid |
| 03:47.49 | kabootar | sid, i cant remember but i think i might have changed that |
| 03:48.05 | dclarke | mine says 4.0 |
| 03:48.05 | sid | kabootar: You changed what? |
| 03:48.22 | kabootar | from stable to unstable for some packages |
| 03:48.34 | sid | kabootar: Well that's why your system is fucked up. good job |
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| 03:49.22 | bokey | !beer itchi |
| 03:50.21 | kabootar | how can i update a package? |
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| 03:52.07 | sid | kabootar: What version of libc do you have? |
| 03:52.09 | abrotman | !tell jokker_fr about away |
| 03:52.55 | kabootar | how can i check? |
| 03:53.22 | abrotman | try `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` |
| 03:53.23 | sid | dpkg -al|grep libc |
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| 03:54.38 | kabootar | hmm a bunch of different things. it says libc6 is version 2.3.5-8 |
| 03:54.51 | sid | kabootar: yep, your system is fucked. You're definitely not running a "stable" machine anymore. |
| 03:55.42 | abrotman | or an etch/sid box |
| 03:56.02 | sid | !info libc6 etch |
| 03:56.07 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4608 kB, Installed size: 11088 kB |
| 03:56.18 | sid | yea, you're not running Debian it would appear. |
| 03:56.21 | sid | What did you do? |
| 03:56.33 | sid | kabootar: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 03:56.55 | kabootar | i havent touched this computer in many months but i was adviced to change to testing for some packages, which i did, |
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| 04:01.57 | n00rul | !dpkg when etch |
| 04:02.04 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 04:02.05 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
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| 04:05.25 | sid | kabootar: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list on www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 04:07.43 | kabootar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.53 | kabootar | sorry about that. my keyboard messed up |
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| 04:16.21 | bintut | hello all.. i'm running debian etch and following this guide ==> http://wiki.debian.org/OpenLDAPSetup |
| 04:16.37 | bintut | # slapindex |
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| 04:17.00 | bintut | WARNING! Runnig as root! There's a fair chance slapd will fail to start. Check file permissions! |
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| 04:20.40 | grendal_prime | oooook, got etch working...seems to be working good, however when ever i run anything that requires direct rendering i get a warning about Inderect rendering?? |
| 04:21.12 | sneex | yeah hardware |
| 04:21.22 | grendal_prime | the card is an ati radeon 9200 anyone set this up in etch? |
| 04:21.38 | grendal_prime | i have the fglrx pacakges installed |
| 04:21.54 | bathat | ati drivers are pretty stinky in linux |
| 04:22.01 | grendal_prime | the debian ones. |
| 04:22.02 | bathat | but i don't have an ati card |
| 04:22.09 | bathat | oh ok |
| 04:23.15 | abrotman | use the radeon driver in xorg |
| 04:23.22 | grendal_prime | well you whats werid, i had it working great sarge...nice and speedy quick card, (although google earth keept crashing) but now google earth does work, but aparently the card is not running in direct render mode. |
| 04:23.54 | grendal_prime | there is no glxgears app to test it though |
| 04:23.55 | sneex | etc is different |
| 04:24.00 | sneex | etch* |
| 04:24.17 | abrotman | you don't test with glxgears .. you test with glxinfo |
| 04:24.25 | grendal_prime | well ya. |
| 04:24.26 | grendal_prime | hmm |
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| 04:29.21 | grendal_prime | abrotman: is there a particular package that provides that..i cant find it anywhere |
| 04:30.43 | abrotman | provides what? |
| 04:30.46 | abrotman | !tell grendal_prime about search |
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| 04:31.33 | grendal_prime | ya did that didnt find it, however i did google it and find its in mesautils |
| 04:31.38 | grendal_prime | or supposed to be anyway |
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| 04:34.06 | sdubois92 | damn, this room is packed |
| 04:34.36 | grendal_prime | ok im starting to remember this |
| 04:35.07 | grendal_prime | generate module with modual assistant...oh ya..all looking familiar now |
| 04:35.11 | grendal_prime | thanks abrot |
| 04:35.44 | sdubois92 | does anyone here use afterstep? |
| 04:35.59 | pickcoder | how the heck do you setup a drive in dosemu |
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| 04:37.24 | DavidProck1981 | hay i saw this pc in walmart, and to me it seams ok, i think, i have not done that much looking, But is any one able to look at the site and tell it they know of any thing about it that will not work on Debian ? |
| 04:37.28 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4922186 |
| 04:37.48 | abrotman | tell us what kind of hardware it has |
| 04:38.04 | DavidProck1981 | here is the link that tell all about it http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4922186 |
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| 04:40.25 | abrotman | so tell us what it says |
| 04:40.38 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: research each of the parts individually |
| 04:40.51 | DavidProck1981 | do i really need to do all that pasteing |
| 04:40.55 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: there is no 'this will work' thing, it's made up of components |
| 04:41.04 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you need to do all that googling |
| 04:41.52 | DavidProck1981 | but u all are way more experinced at linux i would not know how to tell about most of it |
| 04:41.54 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: a better bet would be to miss out all the megastores and go to a mum&dad shop where you can say to the people: put me a box together which will run debian for under $foo |
| 04:42.10 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: that way you get someone to blame when it won't work |
| 04:42.14 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
| 04:42.26 | Guerin | and hell, they might even be able to install the OS for you |
| 04:42.37 | Guerin | which would save you another week getting berated by me |
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| 04:44.22 | DavidProck1981 | Guerin: do you mean HP install the Debian os for me? |
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| 04:45.38 | abrotman | or you you could go to #ubuntu |
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| 04:45.48 | yos87 | Hi |
| 04:46.16 | dclarke | news flash .. the default serial console is not ttyS0 but actually is /dev/ttyPSC0 |
| 04:47.08 | yos87 | I have install a p2p frostwire program in debian, but when i start it, is doesn't work, it keep saying starting connection |
| 04:47.19 | yos87 | somebody know why? |
| 04:47.29 | abrotman | ask them |
| 04:47.38 | yos87 | hi abrotman |
| 04:47.43 | yos87 | I know you |
| 04:47.53 | abrotman | good for you |
| 04:48.01 | abrotman | it's still not in debian .. ask them |
| 04:48.44 | yos87 | abrotman , But it's .deb package, any why , I think the problem is the firewall block it, I should add it to the firewall, but I dont know how |
| 04:48.50 | yos87 | just guess |
| 04:48.56 | abrotman | it's your firewall |
| 04:49.02 | yos87 | yea |
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| 04:59.57 | grendal_prime | ok did all that but i get an error about ..well |
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| 05:00.05 | grendal_prime | [fglrx:firegl_init_module] ERROR |
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| 05:00.39 | brunner | http://66.118.187.72/ <== if anyone is interested, you're welcome to it |
| 05:00.48 | dembug | fo |
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| 05:04.00 | grendal_prime | kidna cool of you but...ummm it dies on the 30th? |
| 05:05.31 | sid | brunner: Setup a tor exit node for the next 20 days |
| 05:06.01 | brunner | yeah, I'm working on it |
| 05:06.06 | brunner | I can't think of any other uses |
| 05:06.13 | brunner | so I figured I'd just let everyone use it |
| 05:06.20 | brunner | if anyone wants to |
| 05:07.05 | grendal_prime | ya that legal portion sort of limits it for any typical 20 day use project..hehehehe |
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| 05:12.01 | minerale | what is the linux equivalent for windows's ipconfig /flushDNS ( to clear some outdated dns records ) ? |
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| 05:12.22 | abrotman | n/a |
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| 05:17.48 | brunner | anyway, feel free to pass that link I pasted on to anyone who wants it |
| 05:19.38 | colabus | what link? |
| 05:19.44 | karsten | minerale: In general there isn't one, as your local OS doesn't cache DNS lookups unless it's running a DNS server. |
| 05:19.57 | karsten | minerale: If you're running a DNS server, generally a restart. |
| 05:20.43 | karsten | minerale: Some apps (notably browsers) cache DNS. Mozilla / Firefox / Netscape have had caching issues in past, not sure if you can flush that seperately. |
| 05:21.51 | grendal_prime | hey abrotman did you say not to use the xorg fglrx drivers? |
| 05:21.51 | abrotman | restart them ? |
| 05:21.51 | abrotman | i said radeon should work |
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| 05:21.56 | grendal_prime | well it works..just not with dri |
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| 05:22.21 | epsilon | I added "IP hostname" in /etc/hosts, but if I try to resolve with host or dig, I don't get the IP added in hosts-file. Reload of bind didn't help, what's wrong? |
| 05:22.51 | grendal_prime | it seems fast enough for most things, im just wondering if im able to harness some more sped out of it. |
| 05:22.51 | karsten | epsilon: host/dig don't use /etc/hosts |
| 05:22.57 | karsten | epsilon: Ping should, though, say. |
| 05:23.15 | grendal_prime | the fact that it just flat out errors when it trys to load the fglrx driver seems odd to me |
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| 05:23.29 | epsilon | oh, right |
| 05:23.46 | Linux50 | hello everyone. Anyone here willing to help me with my serial port issue? |
| 05:24.11 | karsten | !tell Linux50 about ask |
| 05:24.43 | Linux50 | sorry karsten |
| 05:24.57 | karsten | Linux50: Just ask your question. No need to apologize |
| 05:25.17 | abrotman | Linux50: in Debian ? |
| 05:26.03 | Linux50 | No. Im sorry its not. Nobody in any of my designated channels can help me. So I though I would ask here. |
| 05:26.18 | abrotman | tried ##linux ? |
| 05:26.22 | Linux50 | yes |
| 05:26.57 | abrotman | it's not with Debian .. does it really matter ? |
| 05:27.00 | dclarke | what's the meaning of life the universe and everything ? |
| 05:27.10 | grendal_prime | 42 |
| 05:27.11 | karsten | dclarke: we apologize for the inconvenience. |
| 05:27.14 | abrotman | !42 |
| 05:27.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 05:27.41 | dclarke | no problem |
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| 05:28.38 | karsten | Linux50: You may as well ask |
| 05:29.26 | karsten | Linux50: ... and in general: setserial, bios, IRQs, and identifying the proper COM port (physical) will get you through most serial issues. |
| 05:30.42 | Linux50 | I installed an 8 port serial adapter card made by oxford semiconductors. I have been trying to this controller card (pci) to work for the past three days. I have googled my issue but considering that nobody uses serial anymore the information is very limited. My controller card is using 8250 driver which is integrated into the kernel. dmesg finds and assigns it accordingly. Although i do get a error as follows "ttySO: detected caps 00000700 |
| 05:30.42 | Linux50 | should be 00000100" |
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| 05:31.32 | karsten | Linux50: Tried comp.os.linux.hardware ? Or Google Groups / Usenet in general? |
| 05:31.36 | dclarke | Linux50 : hello |
| 05:31.45 | dclarke | Linux50: I still use serial |
| 05:31.48 | abrotman | i'd try the LKML |
| 05:32.05 | dclarke | Linux50: in fact .. I have a DEC terminal here and a serial console right now |
| 05:32.24 | karsten | Linux50: I don't find that error anywhere in Google. |
| 05:32.38 | dclarke | something unique |
| 05:32.43 | holycow | !aiglx |
| 05:32.43 | dpkg | hmm... aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 05:33.03 | karsten | Linux50: What kernel? |
| 05:33.17 | Linux50 | dclarke, sweet. You can relate then. I have 8 cisco routers that im using for my ccnp lab. I want to use my linux machine as a terminal server. So that I may controll all the cisco routers thru their console port so I may see bootups and so forth. |
| 05:33.26 | karsten | Linux50: Message is in ./drivers/serial/8250.c |
| 05:33.59 | Linux50 | sorry karsten. Im using kernel 2.6.18 |
| 05:34.05 | karsten | Linux50: I think you may be able to configure that with setserial. |
| 05:34.27 | Linux50 | i did read that cap warning in 8250.c but i dont know c++ so i really dont know how to troubleshoot it |
| 05:34.32 | karsten | Linux50: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4760 |
| 05:34.48 | karsten | It's a UART capabilities setting. |
| 05:35.44 | Linux50 | karsten, Im sorry but what does a UART capabilites setting mean? |
| 05:36.00 | karsten | Linux50: It's related to how your serial port is configured |
| 05:36.16 | karsten | UART= Universal Asynchronous Receive and Transmi |
| 05:36.18 | karsten | t |
| 05:36.28 | karsten | !uart |
| 05:36.28 | dpkg | it has been said that uart is (Universal Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter) This is a chip that standardized serial communications. Its function is to change a byte into a standard sequence of electrical impulses. |
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| 05:36.50 | karsten | Linux50: I'd suggest looking at the Serial HOWTO, specifically: Universal Asynchronous Receive and Transmi |
| 05:36.55 | Linux50 | okay. that makes sense. Encapsulation |
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| 05:36.58 | karsten | Linux50: I barely know what I'm talking about here. |
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| 05:37.25 | dclarke | you seem well versed |
| 05:37.26 | karsten | Linux50: ... though I've stumbled through a few serial configs in my life. I suspect that may _not_ be a showstopping error. |
| 05:37.33 | karsten | dclarke: I fake shit well. |
| 05:38.03 | karsten | dclarke: Particularly sincerity. |
| 05:38.04 | Linux50 | i just dont know what to do anymore |
| 05:38.25 | dclarke | well .. I'm just stupidly happy here with my fully functional serial console |
| 05:38.35 | karsten | Linux50: 'setserial' and related output would be a good start. As would reading docs and going through suggestions step-by-step. |
| 05:38.40 | karsten | Figure out what does and doesn't work. |
| 05:39.08 | dclarke | either that or look into Solaris where things "just work" |
| 05:39.10 | abrotman | 9600bps ought to be enough for anyone |
| 05:39.11 | karsten | We've got crap Avocent KVMs at work. Java + activeX plus slower'n shit. |
| 05:39.24 | karsten | I had to install MSIE under Linux just to use the damned things. |
| 05:39.27 | karsten | !shoot abrotman |
| 05:39.28 | Linux50 | when i do a cat /proc/tty/driver/serial |
| 05:39.37 | Linux50 | I get tx bytes but rx=0 |
| 05:39.51 | abrotman | you should try debian! :) |
| 05:40.00 | karsten | Linux50: Cable wired right? Got null or standard serial cable? |
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| 05:40.53 | Linux50 | the way i have it setup is serial port <-->db9 to rj45<------>Roll Over Cable<------->Cisco Router |
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| 05:41.30 | karsten | Linux50: Why don't you start with something really simple and stupid like another system running minicom. |
| 05:41.37 | karsten | Linux50: ... and a null-modem cable. |
| 05:41.52 | karsten | Linux50: Dump a getty on what you thing is a serial port and see if you can find it. |
| 05:42.23 | Linux50 | i dont know how |
| 05:42.26 | karsten | Linux50: And if you built your own cabling, confirm that you haven't put the Rx wire in the wrong spot. |
| 05:43.01 | karsten | Linux50: Um. Get a null-modem cable (beg, borrow, steal, or buy). Also known as a "laplink" cable. A decent office supply should have 'em these days. |
| 05:43.06 | karsten | $20. |
| 05:43.34 | karsten | Linux50: 'getty 9600 /dev/ttyS0' |
| 05:43.38 | Linux50 | I thought maybe the hardware was faulty so i took the pci card out of my linux box and put it into my windows machine. Installed drivers and was able to access all 8 routers. That right there eliminated the card, the cable and the routers. |
| 05:43.42 | karsten | Linux50: ... on the system with the concentrator. |
| 05:43.46 | Snapser | !fglrx |
| 05:43.46 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 05:43.51 | karsten | Um. Oh, PCI concentrator? |
| 05:43.57 | karsten | Snapser: /msg the bots please. |
| 05:44.03 | Linux50 | i have a null modem cable |
| 05:44.04 | Snapser | sorry |
| 05:44.48 | Linux50 | its pci |
| 05:44.52 | karsten | Linux50: On the other system, plug in the cable, run minicom as root. You have a configuration utility. Specify the appropriate serial port, otherwise defaults are fine. Save, quit, re-run minicom as standard user. |
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| 05:45.13 | Linux50 | okay |
| 05:45.17 | karsten | Linux50: If everything works, you should see a login prompt. Hit <return> maybe if it doesn't show up. |
| 05:45.31 | Linux50 | getty is a program? |
| 05:45.34 | karsten | http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Serial/serial-console.html |
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| 05:45.43 | karsten | Linux50: Yeah, it's your console login prompt. "get tty" |
| 05:46.06 | karsten | aka: mingetty, mgetty |
| 05:46.10 | Linux50 | i just ran getty on my machine. and it came back as "command not found" |
| 05:46.16 | Linux50 | will look for it and try to install |
| 05:46.16 | karsten | ^^ |
| 05:46.21 | karsten | Linux50: What distro? |
| 05:46.27 | Linux50 | fc6 |
| 05:46.32 | karsten | Linux50: RH uses mgetty, FC same. |
| 05:46.38 | Linux50 | ahh |
| 05:46.41 | karsten | BTW, there's a fine channel #fedora |
| 05:46.49 | enouf | heh |
| 05:47.06 | Linux50 | hey enouf knows my situation. He has helped me |
| 05:47.10 | Linux50 | hey enouf |
| 05:47.38 | enouf | yeah .. except I don't fake nearly as well as karsten |
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| 05:48.11 | enouf | Linux50: how's about a nice Debian kernel |
| 05:48.48 | Linux50 | i will consider |
| 05:50.17 | enouf | er horticultural .. hehe |
| 05:51.19 | enouf | dons the hazmat gear |
| 05:51.31 | Linux50 | okay. I have my this laptop connected by null modem to one of the 8 serial ports. I dont know which ttyS* it is because i cant make them work. :) |
| 05:51.46 | enouf | adds extra protection around the neck area |
| 05:51.46 | karsten | Linux50: Try 'em all ;-) |
| 05:52.03 | karsten | Linux50: ... might try this first on, say, a built-in serial port to get the nack of it. |
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| 05:52.26 | Linux50 | on which machine do i run mgetty |
| 05:52.33 | abrotman | the router |
| 05:52.37 | abrotman | :) |
| 05:52.38 | karsten | Linux50: On the one with the concentrator |
| 05:52.41 | enouf | Linux50: I noticed much earlier you did ttySO .. instead of 0 |
| 05:52.52 | Linux50 | sorry. Typo |
| 05:52.59 | karsten | Linux50: That's a zero, not a letter "oh". |
| 05:53.02 | Linux50 | everything is configured as ttyS0 |
| 05:53.05 | enouf | ok .. as long as it's non-persistent :-) |
| 05:54.05 | Magdalene | has anyone else noticed since the last stable kernal update that logging in on tty1 is a little difficult |
| 05:54.23 | karsten | Magdalene: uname -r? |
| 05:55.01 | Magdalene | not remote |
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| 05:55.15 | karsten | Magdalene: Um. _What_ kernel, specifically? |
| 05:55.36 | Magdalene | just ^alt f1 |
| 05:55.39 | Magdalene | sec |
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| 05:56.55 | karsten | Um, what do I need for battery monitors to work, laptop type stuff. |
| 05:57.06 | abrotman | acpid |
| 05:57.26 | enouf | heh |
| 05:57.31 | abrotman | well . with acpi off .. that'd not work so well eh ? |
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| 05:58.06 | karsten | Nope. |
| 05:58.12 | karsten | Suggest I might set acpi on? |
| 05:58.34 | abrotman | prolly huh ... |
| 05:58.47 | enouf | doesn't vga= take the decimal notation? or both |
| 05:59.03 | karsten | enouf: decimal or hex |
| 05:59.11 | enouf | wow .. blackout a coming .. batton down the hatches folks! |
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| 05:59.16 | abrotman | that's my cue to go :) |
| 05:59.18 | karsten | enouf: ?? |
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| 05:59.31 | enouf | karsten: oh .. so looking 1337 .. eh? :-) |
| 05:59.49 | karsten | enouf: Pardon? |
| 05:59.55 | karsten | enouf: What's this about a blackout? |
| 06:00.21 | wireddd_ | blackout? |
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| 06:14.52 | Linux50 | so now i know how it works. I will begin to troubleshoot the rest |
| 06:15.04 | liable | a year or so ago, after a big split, me and twistedemotions were the only ones in channel |
| 06:15.11 | CoreDuo | O_O |
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| 06:16.01 | CoreDuo | me thinks dpkg died |
| 06:16.18 | CoreDuo | died in the split |
| 06:16.19 | CoreDuo | lol |
| 06:16.27 | enouf_ | Linux50: 1st .. can't believe I'm helping someone using FC5/6 , using a custom kernel, on #debian .. but .. |
| 06:16.30 | enouf_ | !wakeup |
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| 06:16.43 | peterS | she can't hear you, she's still split off |
| 06:16.44 | Linux50 | lol :) |
| 06:16.48 | holycow | ender |
| 06:16.48 | enouf_ | nah .. she's out partying is all |
| 06:17.02 | enouf_ | Linux50: I'm going to ask you a really silly question .. is PnP set to Enabled in the BIOS? .. try a diff PCI slot too .. what |
| 06:17.12 | enouf_ | hardware? |
| 06:17.22 | Linux50 | did that already |
| 06:17.25 | Linux50 | :) |
| 06:17.30 | enouf_ | is the box .. an older/new mobo |
| 06:17.37 | Linux50 | newer mobo |
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| 06:17.51 | Linux50 | ecs ks75a |
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| 06:18.01 | Linux50 | amd athlon 3200 |
| 06:18.03 | enouf_ | @test |
| 06:18.11 | enouf_ | ~test |
| 06:18.12 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 06:18.14 | enouf_ | bah |
| 06:18.24 | liable | apt is here, it just lags |
| 06:18.26 | enouf_ | hehe |
| 06:18.29 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 06:19.02 | enouf_ | @greet bintut |
| 06:19.11 | bintut | i'm following this site ==> http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html |
| 06:19.22 | bintut | i'm running debian etch here.. |
| 06:19.22 | enouf_ | that's nice |
| 06:19.30 | bintut | hello enouf_ |
| 06:19.50 | bintut | but, i can't find the tool: apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 06:20.04 | enouf_ | hrmmm .. just noticed I grew a foot ..after the blackout and subsequent logon |
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| 06:21.55 | Abe | how can I pass a module parameter to the module sata_sil which is the driver of the boot drive? |
| 06:21.58 | CoreDuo | Aha.. |
| 06:22.27 | bintut | anyone? |
| 06:23.35 | Abe | in sarge I mean ;) |
| 06:24.04 | iLLf8d | Abe, whats the sil part? |
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| 06:24.37 | Abe | iLLf8d, I wanna pass slow_down=1 to sata_sil |
| 06:24.43 | enouf_ | Abe: man modprobe ? |
| 06:24.44 | wireddd_ | is there something I can get that has alot of debian themed wallpaper? |
| 06:24.55 | wireddd_ | s/get/apt-get/ |
| 06:25.07 | enouf_ | bintut: I don't see nay named pkg at packages.debian.org for Sarge or Testing |
| 06:25.11 | Abe | enouf_, I tried creating a file under modprobe.d, but it doesn't apply |
| 06:25.19 | enouf_ | any |
| 06:25.20 | Abe | is it because it's a boot modules? |
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| 06:26.45 | enouf_ | Abe also man modprobe.conf .. I'm sure your answer is in (one of those two) there somewhere |
| 06:27.09 | Abe | I tried creating a file sata_sil, with sata_sil options slow_down=1 |
| 06:27.18 | iLLf8d | Abe, if its in the kernel and you have a config option you know is valid you can usually do it in /boot/grub/menu.list defoptions statement |
| 06:27.33 | enouf_ | iLLf8d: modinfo sata_sil .. it's the SIL controller |
| 06:27.54 | Abe | oh sorry. it is the sil 3112/3114 SATA controller |
| 06:27.56 | bintut | enouf_: yeah. but i assume it is part of the apache2 package because if you try to check the following sites (later i will post them all), they have similar implementations.. [1] <http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349> [2] <http://mario.espaciolinux.com/apache2_ssl.html> [3] <http://ilovett.com/blog/projects/installing-ssl-on-debian-apache2> |
| 06:28.10 | iLLf8d | enouf_, thatnks I don't have it compiled in my kernel so I couldn't do that |
| 06:28.15 | Abe | and it's in my initrd as my boot drive is connected to the sil3114 |
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| 06:29.10 | Linux50 | do you guys remember what verbage i have to use to make the kernel create more ttyS* devices? |
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| 06:29.51 | enouf_ | Linux50: no .. but maybe add lines in /etc/inittab? read the comments there |
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| 06:30.06 | iLLf8d | Abe, checkout the dvdrom section of this page http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/linux/debian-gnulinux-on-dell-d620/ |
| 06:30.13 | enouf_ | iLLf8d: ok .. |
| 06:30.24 | iLLf8d | Abe, that'll probably work forya |
| 06:30.31 | iLLf8d | I dont use initrd |
| 06:30.44 | Abe | thanks iLLf8d. I'll take a look at that |
| 06:31.19 | enouf_ | description: low-level driver for Silicon Image SATA controller ... |
| 06:31.26 | enouf_ | parm: slow_down:Sledgehammer used to work around random problems, by limiting commands to 15 sectors (0=off, 1=on) (int) |
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| 06:31.35 | iLLf8d | Abe, obviously use any valid options you can send it and not whats in the example |
| 06:31.45 | Abe | sure ;) |
| 06:31.59 | iLLf8d | sorry dunno anyone skill level when I first start chatting with them |
| 06:32.24 | Daveman | enouf_, how was the blackout? :p |
| 06:33.03 | enouf_ | nice one .. :-) and fast too .. they did a good job restarting everything it seems .. hopefully all changes necessary are working correctly |
| 06:33.50 | enouf_ | they did kill abrotman and dpkg though ... fallen hereos :-( |
| 06:33.58 | karsten | Well, aside from one hard crash, acpi seems fine. |
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| 06:34.24 | enouf_ | karsten: excellent .. got any kde/gnome on there? |
| 06:34.48 | iLLf8d | karsten, you must've actually used the computer |
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| 06:36.37 | enouf_ | bintut: apache2-ssl-certificate is a script is seems .. not a pckg |
| 06:37.18 | bintut | enouf_: yeah, it's a script bundled inside apache2 |
| 06:37.28 | enouf_ | bintut: it's in apache2-common |
| 06:37.38 | enouf_ | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=apache2-ssl-certificate&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 06:38.28 | bintut | enouf_: apache2-common was installed already.. |
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| 06:38.41 | enouf_ | that's nice |
| 06:39.04 | bintut | but, i don't have that script.. :( |
| 06:40.17 | enouf_ | bintut: sure you do .. you likely don't have "other" neb\cessary pkgs |
| 06:40.32 | enouf_ | it's in usr/sbin/apache2-ssl-certificate |
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| 06:41.27 | Abe | thanks iLLf8d. it works |
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| 06:42.31 | karsten | enouf_: Um, why do you ask? |
| 06:42.34 | karsten | iLLf8d: ?? |
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| 06:43.01 | bintut | # ls -l /usr/sbin/apache2* |
| 06:43.02 | bintut | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 382528 2006-11-11 10:58 /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 06:43.02 | bintut | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3404 2006-11-11 10:51 /usr/sbin/apache2ctl |
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| 06:43.16 | karsten | !tell bintut about paster |
| 06:43.26 | karsten | bintut: 4 lines and you're autokicked, FYI. |
| 06:43.49 | karsten | Crap, battery's about flat. |
| 06:43.56 | Linux50 | karsten, okay im done. The two mobo serial ports worked just fine. But all eight ports from the controller card failed. |
| 06:43.57 | bintut | karsten: thanks for the reminder.. yeah, i know |
| 06:44.03 | iLLf8d | karsten, nm bad joke |
| 06:44.29 | enouf_ | karsten: there are daemons/slaves to mange the acpi stuff is all .. in the DEs |
| 06:44.30 | karsten | Linux50: Rats. |
| 06:44.44 | karsten | enouf_: Yeah, I use KDE on this box under RHEL. |
| 06:44.54 | enouf_ | bintut: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:44.59 | karsten | Bye. |
| 06:45.05 | enouf_ | karsten: what? |
| 06:45.09 | Linux50 | how would i troubleshoot those cap errors. The two mobo serials dont show that error |
| 06:45.18 | bintut | enouf_: i'm running debian etch here |
| 06:45.31 | enouf_ | karsten: juat saying .. in the Control Center in KDE there's certain laptop features |
| 06:45.42 | enouf_ | bintut: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:45.49 | bintut | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 06:45.49 | bintut | 4.0 |
| 06:46.45 | enouf_ | bintut: well .. seems it's not in etch, nor sid .. you upgraded right past it :-) |
| 06:47.19 | bintut | enouf_: i installed the entire system from scratch using the etch rc1 installer |
| 06:47.47 | enouf_ | bintut: there must be some "newer" implementation is all .. it's deprecated obviously |
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| 06:48.12 | enouf_ | bintut: see if httpd.apche.org can help answer |
| 06:48.26 | enouf_ | er httpd.apache.org IIRC |
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| 06:48.30 | bintut | enouf_: and my /etc/apt/sources.list contains the following lines: |
| 06:48.38 | enouf_ | no ... no .. |
| 06:48.40 | bintut | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 06:48.40 | bintut | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 06:48.45 | enouf_ | ouch |
| 06:48.52 | enouf_ | :-) |
| 06:48.56 | bintut | hehehe.. :p |
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| 06:49.14 | bintut | enouf_: i know what you think... :p hehehe.. |
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| 06:54.21 | bintut | enouf_: i think, the apache2-ssl-certificate script is a debian sarge specific.. i checked apache's httpd and i found nothing |
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| 06:55.44 | enouf_ | bintut: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.0.54-5sarge1/changelog search/find ssl .. follow up on the CVS issues |
| 06:56.09 | enouf_ | one ex: --> * Disable ssl-cert until it sucks less. related to 230791 (closes: #231726) |
| 06:56.54 | enouf_ | bintut: aha .. * Rename ssl-certificate so we don't conflict with apache-ssl (Closes: #177881) |
| 06:58.22 | enouf_ | boy .. I like reading Changelogs :-) |
| 06:58.24 | enouf_ | * The "Ooops, I did it again" release |
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| 06:59.29 | bintut | enouf_: i checked the site but it's only for sarge.. i'm running etch here |
| 06:59.40 | enouf_ | !cluebat bintut |
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| 07:03.21 | zbrown_ | I just updated etch, and now a lot of graphics programs (mozilla, firefox, kivio, for example) display many words as just underscores or blank spaces, until I do a mouse hover on them. At that point maybe they turn into words again, temporarily. |
| 07:03.26 | zbrown_ | Is anyone else seeing that? |
| 07:03.52 | zbrown_ | oddly, xchat is not giving me a problem... |
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| 07:15.18 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:15.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd166 is <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 07:15.42 | enouf_ | mwahaha |
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| 07:17.13 | sciboy | Hi, i want to build the iceweasel package with the -m32 flag, how would i do this? |
| 07:17.16 | bintut | enouf_: the apache2-2 of debian etch doesn't have the apache2-ssl-certificate script |
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| 07:17.35 | bintut | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apache2.2-common&version=testing&arch=amd64&page=4&number=50 |
| 07:17.41 | enouf_ | bintut: we already covered that :-) |
| 07:18.09 | bintut | enouf_: what do you mean by "covered that"? |
| 07:18.40 | enouf_ | [01:53:57] <enouf_> bintut: aha .. * Rename ssl-certificate so we don't conflict with apache-ssl (Closes: #177881) |
| 07:19.48 | bintut | enouf_: renamed? isn't it apache-ssl is apache version 1.3x with ssl support? |
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| 07:20.36 | enouf_ | bintut: dunno .. follow up reading the changelog |
| 07:21.17 | liable | sciboy: apt-get source foo, edit the debian/rules file and dpkg-buildpkg |
| 07:22.29 | sciboy | liable, Where would i put it in the debian/rules, that's the only thing i'm wondering, where to put the damn flag. =P |
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| 07:23.15 | liable | sciboy: i havent built a package for a while, so i cant remember, can you paste the rules file? |
| 07:23.28 | bintut | enouf_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=apache2-ssl-certificate&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
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| 07:25.38 | sciboy | liable, http://dark-code.bulix.org/krbsfd-25518 |
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| 07:26.16 | liable | sec |
| 07:29.49 | liable | sciboy: try line 98, whats that flag for? |
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| 07:32.07 | liable | sciboy: oh, actually you might want it in 28 or 30 if its a gcc flag |
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| 07:36.14 | sciboy | liable, I put it in with the optflags, got to wait till it compiles to find out if it worked. =| |
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| 07:38.09 | liable | sciboy: you should the make flags as it compiles |
| 07:38.29 | liable | well, i cant remember if you do when you build a deb actually |
| 07:38.47 | sciboy | --enable-optimize="-pipe -w -O2 -g -fno-strict-aliasing -m32" |
| 07:39.55 | liable | ah, yeah, looks good |
| 07:40.08 | liable | same either way |
| 07:40.35 | peterS | good luck satisfying the build dependencies for iceweasel as 32-bit libraries |
| 07:40.39 | sciboy | The idea is if this works, the flash and java plugins should work under my amd64. |
| 07:40.54 | sciboy | peterS, Thanks. |
| 07:40.55 | peterS | you link stage is going to blow up something fierce if you haven't done that |
| 07:41.20 | peterS | well, if the configure stage doesn't notice first, I mean |
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| 07:41.44 | sciboy | That's if i put the flag in the right place to start with. |
| 07:42.13 | peterS | for example it enforces that you must have 'libx11-dev' installed, but what it means is, you need a libx11-dev that will work with the compiler you are using. if that is 'gcc -m32', good luck getting it |
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| 07:42.34 | sciboy | Yay chroot. |
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| 07:43.08 | peterS | oh if you have working chroot, why bother to recompile at all, just install the i386 package |
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| 07:46.23 | enouf_ | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_ssl.html bintut .. seems everything is now modular for you |
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| 07:54.09 | mciann | How do I get tar to extract to a specific location (rather that just the current directory)? |
| 07:55.35 | zorton | can someone point me towards information regarding the pgp support in aptitude. Specificaly, dealing public key's not found from non debian packages. |
| 07:55.48 | Snapser | mciann, man tar |
| 07:55.54 | bintut | enouf_: i'll check on that one.. |
| 07:57.03 | mciann | Snapser - dude. Have you ever actually looked at the tar man page? |
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| 07:57.48 | Snapser | yes |
| 07:58.05 | Snapser | i didn't memorize it, assuming it existed |
| 07:59.19 | liable | mciann: dude, its not that hard.... -C |
| 07:59.45 | liable | zorton: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 07:59.51 | zorton | liable: thanks |
| 08:00.17 | liable | zorton: if its a different key, change the numbers accordingly |
| 08:00.32 | liable | zorton: if its the new debian key, /msg dpkg etch key |
| 08:00.47 | zorton | ti's the key from tor's distribution site |
| 08:00.55 | zorton | i've got basic picture now though, thanks |
| 08:01.30 | liable | most sites have a little explanation of what to do if they have a key for debian |
| 08:01.39 | zorton | the command mentioned from dpkg will result in a error though |
| 08:02.08 | karsten | enouf_: Yeah, I know. |
| 08:02.21 | karsten | enouf_: The kwifimanager thing is all but useless though IME. |
| 08:02.33 | karsten | enouf_: Trying to get kismet working on that system, it doesn't like me. |
| 08:04.34 | liable | which driver? |
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| 08:05.54 | mciann | Okay, the exciting conclusion for those watching at home (because tar is notoriously snippy about the order of command line options): |
| 08:06.06 | mciann | tar -x blah.tar -C /<intended path> |
| 08:06.35 | bintut | enouf_: correct me if i'm wrong.. when you "apt-cache search ssl | grep apache", it only appears that the apache version 1.x has support for ssl |
| 08:06.43 | bintut | enouf_: i'm confused here.. :( |
| 08:07.04 | liable | its built into apache2 apparently |
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| 08:15.37 | abchirk | hey guys i have a suprise for you.. :/ |
| 08:15.58 | abchirk | !ops ComPuTeR spam on join blabla he is in asterisk, redhat too.. |
| 08:15.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: ComPuTeR spam on join blabla he is in asterisk, redhat too.. |
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| 08:16.43 | dondelelcaro | abchirk_: thanks. |
| 08:16.56 | abchirk | pls welcome this my10th :D |
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| 08:19.56 | rhalff | hi, why debian instead of solaris ? :) |
| 08:20.09 | Gnea | rhalff: why solaris? :) |
| 08:20.28 | rhalff | just browsed the sun site, and was asking myself why I don't use that :p |
| 08:20.42 | Gnea | rhalff: seriously, that's off-topic, take it elsewhere please. |
| 08:20.59 | rhalff | nah, I used debian in the question :) |
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| 08:21.16 | Gnea | but it's an OS vs OS |
| 08:21.17 | peterS | rhalff: maybe 'cause it's not as fast and doesn't support as much hardware and doesn't have as much free software conveniently installable and isn't as easy to admin and has Joerg Schilling? |
| 08:21.24 | ApEtc | rhalff: It's your choice. |
| 08:21.45 | rhalff | ah I never installed it, I imagined it was easer to maintain |
| 08:22.01 | rhalff | too much wishful thinking here then I think |
| 08:22.03 | Gnea | !start an os war |
| 08:22.03 | dpkg | ITS is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 08:22.11 | peterS | rhalff: ha. easier to maintain if you're a solaris admin by trade. for anyone else, I'd say any major linux distribution is likely to be easier, _especially_ debian |
| 08:22.13 | Gnea | rhalff: try it and see what it's like then :) |
| 08:22.17 | h3xis | i know this isnt a popular topic of discussion and is kind of annoying and im not nagging or anything, but is there a projected time frame as to when etch becomes "stable?" |
| 08:22.29 | peterS | h3xis: SIYH. |
| 08:22.34 | h3xis | siyh? |
| 08:22.38 | peterS | !siyh |
| 08:22.38 | dpkg | siyh is, like, Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 08:22.38 | Gnea | !siyh |
| 08:22.45 | liable_ | meh, irssi is scrolling but the lag counter keeps incrementing |
| 08:22.45 | rhalff | etch is an odd name, it sounds like edge, and edge is never stable |
| 08:22.53 | peterS | rhalff: what about edgy? |
| 08:23.15 | Gnea | rhalff: they based the names of releases off of Toy Story characters |
| 08:23.29 | rhalff | ah |
| 08:23.41 | rhalff | that would make debian a toy story ? :-o |
| 08:23.51 | h3xis | no it would make it the biggest bad ass distro evar. |
| 08:23.54 | Gnea | only if you smoke crack |
| 08:23.58 | peterS | though we don't know what the release name will be after lenny, that's the last toy story character they intend to use |
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| 08:24.18 | rhalff | hope they switch to south park after that |
| 08:24.23 | peterS | (lenny being etch+1) |
| 08:24.26 | red | how do I make sudo prompt me for password? |
| 08:24.36 | Gnea | red: run it |
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| 08:24.41 | Gnea | sudo <command> |
| 08:24.51 | red | Gnea: it's been disabled |
| 08:24.54 | peterS | red: don't say NOPASSWORD or whatever in /etc/sudoers |
| 08:25.00 | red | Gnea: the password prompt |
| 08:25.02 | Gnea | red: you need to enable it with the visudo command |
| 08:25.05 | rhalff | bug #1000999 killed kenny :p |
| 08:25.08 | liable_ | so enable it.. |
| 08:25.33 | peterS | rhalff: I'd run 'Debian bgal' |
| 08:26.58 | rhalff | hm not fan enough to understand the bgal :p |
| 08:27.31 | red | Gnea: Not sure of the directive in the visudo ... |
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| 08:28.41 | Gnea | red: there should be a working example there already... |
| 08:29.03 | Gnea | red: also, man sudoers |
| 08:29.58 | Gnea | !sudo |
| 08:29.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 08:30.07 | peterS | rhalff: a character from some of the early South Park seasons had the name of Big Gay Al |
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| 08:32.10 | enouf_ | bintut: $ apt-cache show apache2.2-common |
| 08:32.20 | frex | my system has suddenly gotten very slooow |
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| 08:32.24 | red | Gnea: thanks ... man sudoers is giving me some joy |
| 08:32.36 | frex | how do I fix this slooow system? |
| 08:32.40 | peterS | frex: are you in the CEST timezone? |
| 08:32.52 | enouf_ | karsten: I meant the ibm and sony vaio crap .. but nevermind .. you seem to have it under control |
| 08:32.56 | Gnea | frex: why did it get slow? |
| 08:33.00 | frex | peterS: Europe, why? |
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| 08:33.04 | peterS | hmmm, wait, I'm confused, my system is different from other systems in that regard |
| 08:33.07 | karsten | enouf_: Well, I'm on another system now. |
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| 08:33.13 | frex | Gnea: I have no idea why it got slow! |
| 08:33.22 | Gnea | frex: what time is it there? |
| 08:33.27 | karsten | enouf_: ... and if you're confused by that, irssi is on a third host I ssh to from other places. |
| 08:33.32 | eeyore- | frex: would 9.8m/s^2 make it a little faster? |
| 08:33.38 | peterS | frex: I just wondered because at a specific time of day, the system runs a lot of jobs such as 'updatedb' (related to 'locate') that eat a huge amount of CPU and especially disk bandwidth and cache |
| 08:33.40 | frex | Gnea: 0930 |
| 08:33.43 | Snapser | ipw2200 is at hotmail.com |
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| 08:33.52 | enouf_ | karsten: no not really .. see /msg dpkg laptop :-) |
| 08:33.55 | peterS | frex: but this job runs at 6:25, not 9:25, I was just confused there |
| 08:34.05 | Gnea | frex: try these commands: ps axf and top |
| 08:34.32 | liable | ibm crap? |
| 08:34.53 | frex | Gnea: slowness is not related to time of day |
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| 08:35.00 | frex | Gnea: trying the commands |
| 08:35.01 | peterS | for _me_ the daily cron job runs at 9:25, because I set it that way since I was usually awake at 6:25 but not at 9:25 |
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| 08:35.20 | Snapser | stupid bot |
| 08:35.23 | karsten | frex: grep daily /etc/crontab |
| 08:35.37 | karsten | Snapser: What's this hotmail stuff you're nattering about? |
| 08:35.42 | Snapser | i say "ipw2200 is a wireless driver and can be found at http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net" |
| 08:35.51 | Snapser | bot says "...but ipw2200 is already something else..." |
| 08:36.06 | karsten | Snapser: /msg dpkg no <foo> is <bar> |
| 08:36.06 | Gnea | Snapser: that's not stupid, why would you change it? |
| 08:36.09 | peterS | Snapser: the bot only answers if you talk directly to it, with a prefix of 'dpkg' or '!' |
| 08:36.25 | frex | Gnea: running the commands, axf doesn't do anything |
| 08:36.41 | Gnea | frex: no, it's: ps axf |
| 08:36.47 | Gnea | frex: axf is an argument to ps |
| 08:36.58 | Gnea | that's why i added extra spaces |
| 08:37.03 | quitte | im stuck getting etch installed on a hp netserver. i cant get the raid controller working. |
| 08:37.07 | Xorm | -ps awwfux |
| 08:37.08 | frex | Gnea: okay |
| 08:37.17 | Xorm | ps -awwfux? |
| 08:37.26 | Xorm | neh |
| 08:37.32 | peterS | Xorm: no, without the - |
| 08:37.33 | Xorm | ps afux |
| 08:37.35 | Xorm | yeh. |
| 08:37.36 | peterS | Xorm: yes it makes a difference |
| 08:37.41 | liable | Snapser: why are you changing that factoid? |
| 08:37.59 | bintut | enouf_: http://paste.debian.net/18065 |
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| 08:38.26 | frex | Gnea: I've run those commands, and now? |
| 08:39.04 | esteel | re |
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| 08:39.31 | frex | karsten: what do I do with output of grep daily /etc/crontab -- what is it telling me? |
| 08:41.49 | Gnea | frex: they should show you what's taking up the most CPU/MEM |
| 08:42.41 | Snapser | liable, i was just adding "Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net" to the end of the definition |
| 08:43.06 | karsten | frex: man 5 crontab |
| 08:43.30 | karsten | frex: When your cron.daily jobs run. |
| 08:43.34 | frex | Gnea: root Xorg is taking up 70% of CPU |
| 08:43.45 | karsten | frex: Eg: 25 6* * *roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 08:44.10 | karsten | frex: ... says "25 minutes past 6 hours, every day, every month, every weekday. |
| 08:44.12 | exobyte | I compiled my last 2.6 kernel the debian way. I want to add two modules to it. Is there a way to just rebuild to add those modules? |
| 08:45.14 | frex | karsten: this is not the problem as my system is slow at all times |
| 08:45.51 | frex | karsten: root --- Xorg is taking up 70% CPU |
| 08:46.41 | Gnea | frex: actually Xorg isn't - it comprises every program that it's running - see if you can isolate the real memhog with ps axf |
| 08:47.21 | Gnea | frex: actually, try: ps auxf |
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| 08:47.52 | karsten | Gnea: cpu, not ram. |
| 08:48.04 | karsten | frex: check iostat, vmstat as well. |
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| 08:48.52 | Gnea | karsten: karsten will differentiate cpu and mem :) |
| 08:48.55 | Gnea | er |
| 08:48.58 | Gnea | karsten: ps auxf will |
| 08:50.23 | sid | http://lambdaman.blogspot.com/2006/12/hardware-manufacturers-to-avoid.html |
| 08:50.24 | sid | hehe |
| 08:51.59 | frex | Gnea: usr/X11R6/bin/X -- what's this? |
| 08:52.15 | Gnea | sid: that's not very comprehensive. but yeah, i only get my dvd/cdrom drives from lite-on these days. |
| 08:52.27 | Gnea | frex: looks like Xfree86, not Xorg |
| 08:52.58 | red | Gnea: I even re-installed the sudo package ... but it always skips the prompt ... very strange. |
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| 08:53.39 | frex | Gnea: I'm not finding the culprit |
| 08:53.55 | frex | Gnea: unless its firefox, which is taking about 30% of memory |
| 08:54.27 | frex | Gnea: I mean, firefox is taking 27% of CPU |
| 08:54.45 | frex | after that, there's no single process taking up more than 8% |
| 08:55.03 | Gnea | frex: firefox is known to do that if you don't have a lot of ram and have a lot of tabs open |
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| 08:55.18 | Gnea | frex: keeping FF open for long amounts of time will do it too |
| 08:55.51 | frex | Gnea: it hasn't given problems before |
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| 08:56.06 | frex | Gnea, I will clean cache and restart FF |
| 08:56.08 | Gnea | frex: before when? |
| 08:56.14 | frex | before today |
| 08:56.23 | Gnea | and it's been running for how long? |
| 08:56.25 | frex | the problem just began yesterday |
| 08:56.40 | frex | FF started up maybe an hour or two ago |
| 08:56.46 | Gnea | i don't mean the problem, i mean the system itself |
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| 08:56.51 | frex | but the problem existed before that |
| 08:57.00 | Gnea | well yeah |
| 08:57.01 | frex | the system was restarted about 2 hours ago |
| 08:57.08 | Gnea | what branch/kernel are you using? |
| 08:57.15 | frex | etch |
| 08:57.32 | Gnea | hrm... is it FF or iceweasel? |
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| 09:02.55 | DavidProck1981 | any one know the command to list all the drives and partitions, weather thier mounted or not? |
| 09:03.06 | peterS | DavidProck1981: cat /proc/partitions |
| 09:04.00 | DavidProck1981 | ok that works but what is cat |
| 09:04.30 | peterS | are you a ms-dos person? if so, think of it as 'type' |
| 09:04.41 | peterS | if you're not, but you have a brain, you could try 'man cat' |
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| 09:08.13 | peterS | careful what you snort there |
| 09:08.26 | peterS | sometimes a white powder isn't _just_ a white powder |
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| 09:09.36 | peterS | ah, as I suspected, there was something in there related to nitrous oxide |
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| 09:10.28 | frex | FF |
| 09:10.28 | frex | never heard of iceweasle |
| 09:10.29 | frex | Gnea: FF, never heard of iceweasel |
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| 09:11.09 | frex | system is excruciatingly slooow |
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| 09:11.33 | frex | system is insanely sloooow |
| 09:11.34 | Gnea | !iceweasel |
| 09:11.35 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 09:12.04 | DavidProck1981 | i just notice /proc/partitions is a file with zero bytes and that all the other files in /proc gives info |
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| 09:12.13 | frex | Gnea: even without FF running, the system is slow |
| 09:12.21 | plutonas | !why is iseweasel not in testing |
| 09:12.22 | dpkg | iseweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iseweasel |
| 09:12.33 | frex | not as bad, but not really good either |
| 09:12.36 | peterS | it's not really 0 bytes, the kernel just doesn't bother to calculate the real size of the output it will give you from that file. every file in /proc is that way, dynamically generated by the kernel when you ask for it |
| 09:12.41 | Gnea | DavidProck1981: why? |
| 09:12.51 | DavidProck1981 | why what |
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| 09:12.59 | Gnea | nevermind |
| 09:13.59 | tripppy | why am i getting weird colours after running xsetup.sh, even on the lowest resolution and lowest bit rate. |
| 09:14.19 | Gnea | xsetup.sh? |
| 09:14.31 | frex | Gnea: is my problem related to FF or iceweasel? |
| 09:14.34 | frex | I |
| 09:14.39 | plutonas | the page from dpkg doesnt help very much... i thought iceweasel was in testing |
| 09:14.41 | frex | am not so sure |
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| 09:14.43 | DavidProck1981 | tripppy: because you are tripppy-ing ? LOL |
| 09:14.47 | peterS | speaking of names for firefox, I'm listening to Stravinsky's Firebird Suite. cool stuff. |
| 09:15.01 | tripppy | Gnea, its a script used in Damsmalllinux to config X |
| 09:15.02 | rxkaffee | how do I findout what package a specific file belongs to? |
| 09:15.04 | Gnea | frex: could be something else... you're obviously not running Xorg, for starters... you might want to get that setup right |
| 09:15.09 | Gnea | !xorg |
| 09:15.09 | dpkg | it has been said that xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 09:15.19 | peterS | tripppy: so if you're running DSL why are you in this channel? |
| 09:15.27 | Gnea | tripppy: is this #damnsmalllinux ? |
| 09:15.34 | frex | Gnea: how do I fix problem with Xorg? |
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| 09:15.46 | Gnea | frex: install it |
| 09:16.10 | frex | Gnea: apt-get Xorg? |
| 09:16.31 | tripppy | Gnea, no, i was hoping someone could help with setting up X |
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| 09:16.53 | frex | Gnea: I am running Gnome |
| 09:16.53 | Gnea | !tell frex about get xorg |
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| 09:17.07 | Gnea | frex: that's immaterial |
| 09:17.23 | frex | should I apt-get install Xorg? |
| 09:17.26 | peterS | tripppy: it's simple, 'apt-get install xserver-xorg' and that's it. of course, if you're running something other than Debian, maybe that won't work, but then why would you be asking for help in this channel? |
| 09:17.30 | zorton | is there a way to mount auto detected devices via their serial number? |
| 09:17.46 | zorton | ie, mount the thumb drive with serial number 1234 in /mnt/thumb1 |
| 09:17.47 | Gnea | zorton: yes. |
| 09:18.30 | tuv | zorton, if the drive's partition has a label, it'll be mounted to /media/label |
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| 09:18.48 | frex | gnea: should I apt-get install xorg? |
| 09:18.57 | frex | is that what you meant? |
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| 09:19.02 | zorton | tuv: a ext2 label? |
| 09:19.07 | Gnea | frex: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 09:19.14 | tuv | zorton, that's if you have a desktop installation |
| 09:19.19 | tuv | zorton, yes |
| 09:19.29 | tuv | zorton, or any fs type label |
| 09:19.30 | zorton | tuv: probaly not, what package is handling the hotplug stuff nowdays? |
| 09:19.35 | DavidProck1981 | i think they need to make a DamnSmallDebian, For example with gnome and kde installed i dont need like a hundred text editors , and if i try to uninstall one it tries to remove the hole desktop, Just one for the gui and one for non-gui will do just fine |
| 09:19.36 | frex | Gnea: yes, but I'm really dumb |
| 09:19.41 | tuv | zorton, udev |
| 09:19.49 | zorton | tuv: thanks, i'll read up |
| 09:19.50 | Gnea | !get xorg |
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| 09:19.51 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
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| 09:20.11 | tuv | zorton, but the mount point is created by pmount i think, which is probably invoked by the desktop environment |
| 09:20.13 | Gnea | frex: ok, apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xorg |
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| 09:20.28 | Gnea | frex: you may want to switch to console before doing so |
| 09:20.42 | tuv | zorton, so short answer, i'm not sure how this is done automatically without a desktop environment running |
| 09:20.46 | zorton | tuv: in my case I just want the keyfile to be aviable to a certain user when a certain USB stick is plugged in |
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| 09:21.08 | frex | Gnea: why switch to console? |
| 09:21.15 | frex | will it fuck up otherwise? |
| 09:21.52 | Gnea | frex: because you're going to be swapping out the entire X windowing system that powers your current GUI that's running |
| 09:21.52 | tuv | zorton, i'm not sure, but probably you want to play a little with udev rules |
| 09:22.00 | zorton | tuv: sounds like that's my best bet |
| 09:22.06 | zorton | tuv: thanks for the help, time for reading |
| 09:22.20 | Gnea | frex: and if you have irssi installed, you can still get help here |
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| 09:22.56 | tuv | zorton, yeah.. it often turns out to reading |
| 09:23.12 | fs-a | why is linux-source-2.6.19 not released yet? |
| 09:23.17 | frex | Gnea: thanks |
| 09:23.27 | Gnea | fs-a: because they haven't finished it yet |
| 09:23.35 | Gnea | frex: :) |
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| 09:23.40 | fs-a | why haven't they finished it yet/ |
| 09:23.48 | fs-a | work! |
| 09:23.49 | fs-a | :p |
| 09:23.49 | zorton | tuv: I agree, the trouble is the documentation for most gnu/linux systems is scattered all over the place |
| 09:24.00 | Gnea | why are wheels round and not square or triangle? :P |
| 09:24.12 | fs-a | that's debatable |
| 09:24.21 | Gnea | fs-a: hook 'em up with a phat paycheck and it might happen sooner ;) |
| 09:24.45 | fs-a | they need money? |
| 09:24.51 | Gnea | who doesn't? |
| 09:24.52 | fs-a | i don't see anyone asking money. |
| 09:25.02 | Gnea | maybe you haven't been paying attention then |
| 09:25.35 | fs-a | ok, it needs a "donate to see linux-source-2.6.19 faster" on debian.org then. |
| 09:25.47 | fs-a | because who are we to assume what's going on. |
| 09:25.53 | fs-a | we don't know. |
| 09:25.58 | Gnea | who is 'we'? |
| 09:26.05 | fs-a | the clueless users |
| 09:26.24 | Gnea | you expect the world to be handed to you on a silver platter? |
| 09:26.38 | DavidProck1981 | YES YES YES |
| 09:26.43 | fs-a | haha |
| 09:26.48 | cahoot_ | if oyu're born in the 80 ies yes |
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| 09:26.58 | DavidProck1981 | silver platter YES YES |
| 09:27.13 | Gnea | DavidProck1981: come here, i've got a silver platter for you... |
| 09:27.20 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 09:27.31 | Gnea | it will make your life so much easier |
| 09:27.33 | wireddd_ | I don't care about the platter, I just want the world |
| 09:27.39 | Gnea | heh |
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| 09:28.30 | DavidProck1981 | i wonder if MicroSoft will ever go down hill once Bill Gates is dead |
| 09:28.42 | Gnea | you know... |
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| 09:29.06 | Gnea | that's a very interesting question... and the way things are going, it looks like m$ will dissolve itself into the economy when he does |
| 09:29.23 | Gnea | i used to hate bill gates. now i have great respect for him. |
| 09:29.47 | DavidProck1981 | like m$ will, what is m$ |
| 09:29.58 | _fjh_ | Hi, my sshd stopped as I entered single user mode unsing 'telinit 1'. As I was logged in via ssh this was fatal. How do I change that(I am using testing)? |
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| 09:30.06 | wireddd_ | microsoft is going to crumble slowly |
| 09:30.07 | iLLf8d | i bbl cya all |
| 09:30.07 | tuv | Gnea, what changed you mind? |
| 09:30.38 | debula | Gnea: yeah, that might be interesting! |
| 09:30.40 | iveqy | hi, I'm using fuse to mount a ftp connection. The problem is that I do not trust the ftp, and whant a copy on my own hdd. So when I save a file at /home/iveqy/ftp/ I whant it to be saved, both at the remote location (witch is mounted at /home/iveqy/ftp) and on a local mounted place (prefered /home/iveqy/ftp). Can this be done? how? |
| 09:30.59 | Gnea | tuv: because not very long ago, he announced to the world that he realized that he is mortal, and that without him, m$ is nothing, and so he has started planning m$'s demise. |
| 09:32.02 | DavidProck1981 | when did he announced that |
| 09:32.14 | Gnea | see, if you'd been paying attention, you would have known that. |
| 09:32.14 | DavidProck1981 | was it on tv |
| 09:32.43 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.45 | tuv | Gnea, are you/is he serious? i'm half asleep so i might believe anything i'm told right now. please don't abuse my state |
| 09:33.02 | Gnea | TV is not the #1 news aggregator anymore, therefore TV does not count. |
| 09:33.03 | wireddd_ | what happens if you were to try and dist-upgrade from ubuntu to testing? |
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| 09:33.30 | fs-a | you'd get errors |
| 09:33.32 | fs-a | :p |
| 09:33.35 | Gnea | tuv: i'm not talking shit. |
| 09:33.42 | tuv | wireddd, an experiment |
| 09:33.55 | wireddd_ | I might have to try that out |
| 09:34.10 | tuv | Gnea, hey.. i left some room for that: 'are you/is he' :) |
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| 09:34.36 | fs-a | i suspect it'd stop in the 2nd or 3rd pack for file collision or sth. |
| 09:35.27 | Gnea | tuv: lol - i'm quite sure, and has he ever lied about his philanthropy? |
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| 09:36.19 | mike | Any firm release date for 4.0 friends |
| 09:36.33 | Gnea | !wir |
| 09:36.33 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 09:36.53 | fs-a | !wid |
| 09:36.54 | dpkg | [wid] "When It's Done", or see also "wir" and "rsn", or see pn |
| 09:36.57 | fs-a | hah |
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| 09:37.06 | Gnea | ok, i think i found it... |
| 09:38.03 | DavidProck1981 | i wonder it the world could just hold off on buying any MicroSoft Products or OS Dependent, just do that for one year, i wonder how bad it would hurt him? |
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| 09:38.34 | Gnea | er |
| 09:38.44 | Gnea | ok, i was slightly wrong.... m$ may live on.... |
| 09:38.53 | Gnea | http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Gates_foundation_to_spend_all_assets_1201.html |
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| 09:39.09 | DavidProck1981 | i wonder it the world could just hold off on buying any MicroSoft Products or OS Dependent, just do that for one year, i wonder how bad it would hurt him? |
| 09:39.12 | DavidProck1981 | and then how many years of doing that would it take to put him out of busness |
| 09:39.18 | Gnea | the bit about m$ going downhill is just a prediction |
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| 09:39.50 | DavidProck1981 | what do you think about what i just typed |
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| 09:40.35 | tuv | Gnea, you consider this 'slightly' ? |
| 09:41.43 | wireddd_ | Gnea, by the time the version of windows after vista comes out I will be 80 something |
| 09:41.44 | tuv | anyways.. competition is always good for the consumers |
| 09:42.04 | Gnea | tuv: yes, because it makes no mention about m$ itself, only about the financial backend supporting it |
| 09:42.31 | Gnea | tuv: yes, competition is very good |
| 09:43.27 | DavidProck1981 | wireddd how old r u now |
| 09:43.28 | tuv | i believe windows is pushing linux to 'look' better, but i don't think windows is learning from the linux advantage of stability |
| 09:43.30 | tuv | :) |
| 09:43.55 | Gnea | tuv: that's a whole different debate :) |
| 09:45.01 | DavidProck1981 | what is windows vista any ways, i had a friend ask me about it, im like uuuuu.... |
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| 09:46.34 | tuv | DavidProck1981, something you can't really 'own'.. |
| 09:47.02 | StanSka | anyone here from lexington |
| 09:47.19 | DavidProck1981 | i am |
| 09:47.20 | tuv | StanSka, is that a planet? |
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| 09:47.43 | DavidProck1981 | im from lexington |
| 09:47.54 | StanSka | sweet |
| 09:48.08 | DavidProck1981 | NC, correct? |
| 09:48.14 | StanSka | yea |
| 09:48.32 | DavidProck1981 | there is another lexington in some other start, that is why i ask |
| 09:48.44 | DavidProck1981 | state* |
| 09:49.13 | DavidProck1981 | StanSka did u go to L.S.H.S |
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| 09:49.25 | StanSka | never been to lexington in my life |
| 09:49.27 | wireddd_ | DavidProck1981, I am 24 |
| 09:49.48 | DavidProck1981 | 25 ere |
| 09:50.18 | wireddd_ | so I expect version after windows to take 56 years |
| 09:50.26 | wireddd_ | version after vista |
| 09:50.27 | DavidProck1981 | why |
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| 09:51.09 | wireddd_ | because windows development cycles seem to be growing exponetially |
| 09:51.15 | sparr | Is there any way to get xrandr (or any other program) to put my X server into a resolution not specified in my X config? |
| 09:51.23 | sanabriamusic | hi, how do i find dvdauthor after installing? |
| 09:51.35 | DavidProck1981 | they will just slap something together if they need the money and the people will flock over it LOL LMAO |
| 09:51.51 | Gnea | wireddd_: is it not also true that some development cycles have grown exponentially only to be replaced with spurts of shorter growth spans? |
| 09:52.33 | StanSka | anyone here from new york, new york? |
| 09:52.55 | sanabriamusic | long island |
| 09:53.02 | StanSka | how far away is that? |
| 09:53.10 | Gnea | StanSka: why? |
| 09:53.15 | sanabriamusic | after queens |
| 09:53.21 | sanabriamusic | is part of queens |
| 09:53.22 | StanSka | wondering where at it is in new york |
| 09:53.28 | StanSka | are you from new york gnea? |
| 09:53.33 | Gnea | i am |
| 09:53.33 | StanSka | new york new york* |
| 09:53.36 | Gnea | no |
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| 09:53.39 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:53.43 | sanabriamusic | city city |
| 09:53.45 | sanabriamusic | lol |
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| 09:54.05 | DavidProck1981 | wireddd: they will just slap something together if they need the money and the people will flock over it just because it is new LOL LMAO |
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| 09:54.12 | Gnea | StanSka: why do you want to know? |
| 09:54.15 | StanSka | thats kinda f'd up |
| 09:54.24 | Gnea | StanSka: are you from ny? |
| 09:54.26 | StanSka | i wanted to know where new york new york is |
| 09:54.31 | StanSka | i dont care where you live, just wondering |
| 09:54.40 | sanabriamusic | whats up with dvdauthor i cant find it |
| 09:54.44 | Gnea | well, there's always a reason as to why you wonder |
| 09:54.47 | StanSka | kinda weird to name a city new york in new york |
| 09:55.01 | sanabriamusic | ?? |
| 09:55.06 | Gnea | and it seems rather odd to ask such offtopic questions in here |
| 09:55.25 | sanabriamusic | maybe new pork? |
| 09:55.27 | DavidProck1981 | Very True Gnea |
| 09:55.33 | StanSka | not really, i was told you can occasionaly go off topic but dont stay off topic |
| 09:56.18 | sanabriamusic | am out to a video authoring room if i find one |
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| 09:56.43 | DavidProck1981 | StanSka , why do you keep asking people if they live in places that you dont live in |
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| 09:56.49 | Gnea | StanSka: so what you're saying is that you have a reason but, due to some sort of restriction, you are not going to divulge it? |
| 09:57.18 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
| 09:57.39 | Gnea | it's just as silly that washington dc is not located in the state of washington |
| 09:57.43 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:57.54 | StanSka | anyone here from cheshire hampton? |
| 09:58.16 | StanSka | gah i mean connecticut |
| 09:58.18 | Gnea | StanSka: so where are you from? |
| 09:58.23 | StanSka | wondering how far away it is from hampton |
| 09:58.30 | StanSka | washington state |
| 09:58.43 | Gnea | StanSka: are you familiar with the search engine google.com? |
| 09:58.51 | StanSka | im studying the US states and citys |
| 09:58.58 | Gnea | why? |
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| 09:59.40 | StanSka | yea i am familer with google, but i cant say to google, "anyone here from cheshire connecticut?" |
| 09:59.56 | Gnea | why not? |
| 10:00.05 | StanSka | lol |
| 10:00.11 | Gnea | is your web browser broken? |
| 10:00.13 | StanSka | i dont think google with answer that question |
| 10:00.17 | ApEtc | StanSka: What will someone in here tell you about Cheshire, Connecticut that Google won't? |
| 10:00.35 | Gnea | StanSka: how do you know? |
| 10:00.39 | StanSka | google wont tell me how many people on this channel are from cheshire |
| 10:01.02 | Gnea | that might be disrespectful |
| 10:01.13 | enouf_ | throws atlas at StanSka |
| 10:01.19 | Gnea | and what's it to you where people in this channel are from? |
| 10:01.48 | StanSka | if they dont want to tell me then dont tell me |
| 10:01.54 | StanSka | if they feel like saying something then so be it |
| 10:02.03 | StanSka | i aint making anyone say anything |
| 10:02.12 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 10:02.25 | Gnea | StanSka: since you have not stated what you are studying for and why, then i will have to ask you to leave. |
| 10:02.34 | DavidProck1981 | you two stop pissing each other off pelase |
| 10:02.43 | StanSka | i cannot have a general interest in the US? |
| 10:03.10 | StanSka | its just like you have an interest in debian |
| 10:03.17 | StanSka | if you didnt have an interest in debian you wouldnt be here |
| 10:03.23 | StanSka | if i didnt have an interest for the US i wouldnt be asking |
| 10:03.24 | Gnea | so go join another channel |
| 10:03.36 | enouf_ | yes, the mythological greek character .. not the comprehensive topographical mapping guide |
| 10:03.59 | enouf_ | borrows a lightning bolt from Zues |
| 10:04.10 | enouf_ | er zeus |
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| 10:14.14 | maasha | what is the java virtual machine executable called? |
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| 10:16.09 | StanSka | what do you mean? |
| 10:17.02 | StanSka | you mean like a jar? |
| 10:17.07 | maasha | i am installing an application using a .sh file. it goes -> No suitable Java Virtual Machine could be found on your system. |
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| 10:17.19 | maasha | but i just installed Setting up jamvm (1.4.4-1) ... |
| 10:18.06 | maasha | application further says "The version of the JVM must be at least 1.4." |
| 10:18.37 | debula | peterS: hi, are you there? |
| 10:19.29 | StanSka | i have no clue, someone else will hopefully answer |
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| 10:22.05 | StanSka | i know java but not much about runtime enviorments and shit, i got pissed trying to figure out the difference between SDK and JDK |
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| 10:22.57 | enouf_ | maasha: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 10:22.58 | debula | what's the right channel for unix-system programming? |
| 10:24.23 | maasha | enouf_: i guess that sun java is packaged in etch already and there is no need for java-package? |
| 10:24.45 | enouf_ | debula: which language? ..try #C and ##C and whatever other languages you're interested in |
| 10:25.03 | enouf_ | maasha: I really don't know .. never touch the stuff myself |
| 10:25.11 | enouf_ | maasha: /msg dpkg java |
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| 10:25.26 | maasha | enouf_: been there :o) |
| 10:25.33 | enouf_ | maasha: :-) |
| 10:25.33 | debula | enouf_: thanks |
| 10:25.47 | StanSka | StanSka: good job |
| 10:25.48 | enouf_ | debula: no prob |
| 10:25.51 | maasha | debula: #bash |
| 10:25.57 | eilker | why does debian have 13-15 cd ? isnt it too much ? most of installations mostly 2-3 cd... |
| 10:26.14 | maasha | eilker: because there is a zillion fancy packages in debian |
| 10:26.18 | zorton | dd if=/dev/urandom of=testing bs=10MB results in a 10MB random file? |
| 10:26.18 | StanSka | lol |
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| 10:26.26 | StanSka | i use the net install |
| 10:26.28 | maasha | eilker: but you might want to use a netinst iso for installing - that is only 100 Mb |
| 10:26.29 | lir1 | eilker: you can download just the net install |
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| 10:26.32 | enouf_ | maasha: right .. |
| 10:26.33 | _Brandon_ | someone could explain me how to use wpa on debian pls?:) |
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| 10:27.19 | maasha | _Brandon_: that is non-trivial. start with google and search for WPA and debian. there are some guides out there |
| 10:27.56 | eilker | maasha,lir1: my internet connection is limited, i wanna install from cd...but is first 3 cd enough ? (i am gonna try normal debian and debian server, base system) |
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| 10:28.23 | maasha | _Brandon_: really depends on your hardware ... start finding out what hardware you have and what chipset is on it. then figure if it is supported by the regular wifi drivers. it probably aint (murphy's law) - and then you need ndiswrapper ... |
| 10:28.37 | lir1 | eilker: the net install has the basic stuff and after the system is up you can decide yourself what to install, it doesn't mean that you will download 13cds worth of data off the internet. Don't worry. |
| 10:28.46 | _Brandon_ | maasha: it's supported by acx100 drivers |
| 10:29.01 | _Brandon_ | maasha: i've follewed some guides but the system hang |
| 10:29.07 | maasha | eilker: the first cd should do |
| 10:29.35 | StanSka | when are they going to come out with a TB CD? |
| 10:29.50 | _Brandon_ | maasha: when i do networking restart it says this |
| 10:29.53 | _Brandon_ | Reconfiguring network interfaces...ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported |
| 10:29.57 | _Brandon_ | WEXT auth param 7 value 0x1 - ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
| 10:30.01 | _Brandon_ | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
| 10:30.01 | _Brandon_ | ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported |
| 10:30.01 | _Brandon_ | WEXT auth param 4 value 0x0 - ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported |
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| 10:30.19 | _Brandon_ | sorry :p |
| 10:30.20 | maasha | _Brandon_: no pasting ! |
| 10:30.24 | maasha | !paste |
| 10:30.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 10:30.41 | r3m | Hi |
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| 10:30.44 | StanSka | i was whatching the discovery channel yesterday, they were talking about developing MRAM |
| 10:30.52 | maasha | _Brandon_: lspci and show the line with the wifi adaptor |
| 10:30.57 | r3m | How to configure WPA-PSK for wireless in debian? |
| 10:30.57 | StanSka | be able to shut down your computer and turn it back on and have everything already loaded |
| 10:31.00 | eilker | maasha,lir1: thank you, i am gonna get the first cd |
| 10:31.03 | StanSka | instant boot times |
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| 10:31.25 | _Brandon_ | maasha: 01:09.0 Network controller: Texas Instruments ACX 100 22Mbps Wireless Interface |
| 10:31.27 | maasha | hm, we need some factoids on WPA |
| 10:31.29 | StanSka | really interesting on how the HD stores data to :P |
| 10:31.44 | lir1 | eilker: not first cd, an install cd. they are different. |
| 10:31.50 | Dustbuster | heya, im tryong to get backports working, but its complaining about a gpg key |
| 10:31.53 | Dustbuster | trying* |
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| 10:32.37 | Dustbuster | okay |
| 10:33.01 | Dustbuster | basically... my friend managed to upgrade everything to unstable sources... and practically borked everything up |
| 10:33.09 | Dustbuster | im trying to get everything to stable releases again.. |
| 10:33.12 | ThomasPorter | If i want my local box (using a modem) to respond to 192.168.1.200.. how would I do that? Using loopback in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:33.15 | maasha | _Brandon_: google away to see if anyone has your chipset working with debian - otherwise have a look here -> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:33.36 | maasha | Dustbuster: downgrading is almost impossible |
| 10:33.45 | Dustbuster | *sigh* |
| 10:33.59 | Dustbuster | well im not paying 49.50 for a reinstall :c |
| 10:33.59 | enouf_ | zorton: maybe wanna use dd if=/dev/zero of=testing bs=32K count=<do the math> :-P see http://superb-west.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/souptonuts/README_Virtual_FS.html |
| 10:34.03 | _Brandon_ | maasha: the card works good with acx100 drivers, and i can't use ndiswrapper because i need to use master mode |
| 10:34.14 | maasha | Dustbuster: pay for reinstall? |
| 10:34.21 | Dustbuster | its a dedicated server |
| 10:34.49 | maasha | Dustbuster: and where did you get that idea that a dedicated server should run anything but stable ? |
| 10:34.58 | Dustbuster | did you not read |
| 10:35.04 | Dustbuster | when i said my FRIEND did it -.- |
| 10:35.11 | maasha | friend pay 50$ ? |
| 10:35.20 | Dustbuster | heh |
| 10:35.21 | maasha | + some extra for pain and hurt |
| 10:36.14 | Dustbuster | its weird tho |
| 10:36.21 | Dustbuster | i have to pay more than what my server cost |
| 10:36.25 | maasha | _Brandon_: i am afraid there is not centralized documentation or easy way to go. you really need to get on google and find out what others did. |
| 10:36.26 | Dustbuster | to get it reinstalled O.o |
| 10:36.33 | maasha | err s/not/no |
| 10:36.39 | _Brandon_ | maasha: ok thanks anyway :) |
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| 10:40.11 | philipp__ | guten morgen |
| 10:40.33 | ThomasPorter | Morgena. |
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| 10:41.57 | maasha | anyone aware of alternative organization of file systems using associations instead of hierarchical structure? |
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| 10:42.06 | maasha | i need a schematic diagram of such a thing |
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| 10:43.57 | maasha | what does google use in their indexes? |
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| 10:45.17 | khaleel5000 | hi....http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/bandrm/ <-- UK residents can peteition to BAN DRM here |
| 10:45.51 | utrrrongeeb | I have a problem with a bash script I have. It is supposed to check two variable for equality. However, the variables sometimes begin with a zero, and it interprets them as octal. This is acceptable until the eighth day of the month, when I noticed the bug. Is there an easier way to interpret the numbers as decimal, or will I have to use head and tail to try to chop it up? |
| 10:46.07 | maasha | utrrrongeeb: #bash |
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| 10:46.53 | utrrrongeeb | massha: I was just there. Only one responded. He said something about -eq, but I could use more info on it. |
| 10:47.07 | maasha | utrrrongeeb: can't help you, sorry |
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| 10:48.44 | g00se | If i've got backports in addition to 'normal' specified in apt, what the default apt-get behaviour? |
| 10:48.59 | Gnea | g00se: normal |
| 10:49.01 | utrrrongeeb | maahsa: Okay, there's more people on #bash now. |
| 10:49.02 | Gnea | !backports |
| 10:49.02 | dpkg | well, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 10:49.29 | Gnea | g00se: ^^^ add that alias in order to give apt-get preference to backports |
| 10:49.44 | xingu | utrrrongeeb: try 10#"${VARIABLE}" |
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| 10:50.11 | xingu | utrrrongeeb: actually lose the quotes, but you get the idea |
| 10:50.20 | g00se | Gnea: thanks. Can i tell it to do that dynamically (other than issuing the alias at the command line)? |
| 10:50.33 | utrrrongeeb | xingu: Thanks, will that force it to be interpreted as decimal? |
| 10:50.49 | Gnea | g00se: you can pin, but it doesn't seem to work quite as well |
| 10:51.08 | enouf_ | maasha: there's someone in ##linux that works for google (though not there right now) |
| 10:51.11 | xingu | utrrrongeeb: try your luck |
| 10:51.30 | utrrrongeeb | xingu: Okay, thanks! |
| 10:51.33 | g00se | Ah OK. I've a 'bug' in exim4 (not findable when searched) so am going to try backports |
| 10:51.37 | maasha | enouf_: i found a paper on googles file system |
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| 10:51.46 | Gnea | cool |
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| 10:51.59 | enouf_ | maasha: oh .. yeah well I have that PDF :-P .. forgot about that .. hehe |
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| 10:52.45 | g00se | Gnea: how are you on exim4 ;-) ? |
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| 10:52.57 | Gnea | hey, is anyone here experienced with dh_make? i'm just trying to throw a bunch of zip files into a .deb (not compiling anything) and it builds the .tgz/.dsc/.diff.tgz files, but not the .deb file itself and ends with this: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 10:53.03 | Gnea | g00se: pretty good, what's up? |
| 10:53.30 | g00se | Shall post something. Just tried pastebin but it's not working |
| 10:53.57 | Gnea | !paster |
| 10:53.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 10:53.59 | Gnea | try that site |
| 10:54.10 | g00se | Great |
| 10:54.12 | r3m | . |
| 10:54.59 | g00se | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4761 |
| 10:55.00 | r3m | maasha no irssi is not a msn client, it is an IRC client, big difference |
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| 10:55.46 | g00se | Gnea: btw that happens after deletion of that file and then another dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:56.06 | maasha | r3m: did i say that? |
| 10:56.20 | Gnea | g00se: hrmmm |
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| 10:56.43 | g00se | *Looks* like a bug eh? |
| 10:57.08 | Gnea | g00se: no, looks more like you put a variable that isn't known to exim4 in the config file |
| 10:57.37 | enouf_ | maasha: yeah .. seems there are more sleepers lately |
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| 10:57.45 | g00se | But i didn't put anything in it AFAIK. That was after a --purge |
| 10:57.50 | Gnea | g00se: what file(s) did you change before running the reconfigure command? |
| 10:57.58 | Gnea | ah, that might be why |
| 10:58.02 | Gnea | what did you purge? |
| 10:58.24 | g00se | Ah maybe i didn't purge everything |
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| 10:59.42 | g00se | Maybe i should try apt-get remove --purge exim4-config ... |
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| 11:00.34 | g00se | Or would it be safer to do apt-get remove --purge exim4-config exim4-base exim4-daemon-light? |
| 11:00.56 | Gnea | no, exim4-config isn't a packagename |
| 11:01.10 | Gnea | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:01.16 | Gnea | reinstall? |
| 11:01.41 | g00se | Well i just did dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ... |
| 11:01.55 | Gnea | and that's a command, not a packagename |
| 11:02.01 | Gnea | you won't find it in apt-cache search exim4 |
| 11:02.08 | g00se | Ah |
| 11:02.14 | enouf_ | g00se: may help to read the comments within that file (autogenerated) |
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| 11:03.00 | g00se | Gnea: apt-cache search found: |
| 11:03.02 | g00se | exim4-config - configuration for the exim MTA (v4) |
| 11:03.28 | Gnea | geeze, i'm just on a roll today |
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| 11:04.19 | Gnea | g00se: well, what are you trying to do? get a fresh install of exim4 on? |
| 11:04.41 | enouf_ | notices someone is missing a few oOOo .. hehe .. must be the result of the reboot |
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| 11:04.55 | Gnea | lol |
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| 11:05.04 | g00se | Gnea: I'm trying to reinstall since the problem is that i'm not authenticating to my ISP smarthost |
| 11:05.09 | Gnea | actually, those were temporary, i actually got it back :) |
| 11:05.11 | ButterNaan | two instances of apt-get cant run at the same time? |
| 11:05.27 | ButterNaan | two instances of apt-get cant run at the same time? |
| 11:05.31 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 11:05.32 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:05.38 | ButterNaan | sorry |
| 11:05.40 | Gnea | ButterNaan: no. |
| 11:05.54 | ButterNaan | Gnea: any reasons why its not supposed to be that way? |
| 11:06.05 | Gnea | ButterNaan: so it doesn't fuck the system up |
| 11:06.14 | mike | ooh |
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| 11:06.38 | ButterNaan | Gnea: how so? |
| 11:06.49 | valdyn | ButterNaan: read the source |
| 11:07.06 | Gnea | ButterNaan: it's got a lockfile - it's kind of like using 2 email clients to read the same mbox file. |
| 11:07.14 | ButterNaan | valdyn: ah |
| 11:07.33 | ButterNaan | Gnea: hmm, ok, thanks |
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| 11:08.22 | Gnea | one makes changes while the other one isn't informed and blindly assumes that it's all okay, then it goes to submit changes and BAM, you just lost all your shit. |
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| 11:12.32 | g00se | Gnea: i take it this *is* my ISP is it not?: |
| 11:12.33 | g00se | Machine handling outgoing mail for this host (smarthost): |
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| 11:16.25 | Gnea | g00se: huh? |
| 11:16.56 | g00se | Well i was confused whether the smarthost is me or my ISP |
| 11:17.02 | Gnea | oh, your ISP |
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| 11:19.48 | g00se | Ah OK |
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| 11:26.31 | CharminTheMoose | good morning all |
| 11:26.49 | abchirk | hi |
| 11:26.56 | Gnea | hello |
| 11:27.39 | debula | peterS: hi, are you there? |
| 11:28.29 | CharminTheMoose | what makes linux so dang posix compliant? |
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| 11:29.21 | nunukula | apt, is trying to uninstall xchat ^^ |
| 11:29.42 | Coke | Does Debian contain any chess variants that supports network games with other humans? |
| 11:29.56 | nunukula | last time I said yes, it took almost a week until I could install it agaein ^^ |
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| 11:35.29 | Mooi | I have installed a wireless driver to a PC. How would I now go further for setting up a wireless connection? |
| 11:35.34 | blondie | what insolence is this! |
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| 11:36.29 | xingu | the specially handcrafted in a proprietry process handed down from father to son over seven generations sort |
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| 11:37.39 | blondie | hmm |
| 11:37.49 | blondie | fucking insolence |
| 11:37.51 | Mooi | anyone?:/ |
| 11:38.00 | blondie | !wifi |
| 11:38.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 11:38.04 | blondie | !wireless |
| 11:38.05 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 11:38.10 | blondie | dunno |
| 11:38.10 | Mooi | thank you |
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| 11:47.33 | calmar | hi all. mysql_connect did not work with apach2 + php5 *but* with mysql_pconnect it worked. downgrading to php4 solved the issue. |
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| 11:52.01 | niles | hi |
| 11:52.08 | niles | anyone here use gaim ? |
| 11:52.11 | niles | gAIM |
| 11:52.38 | CharminTheMoose | !anyone |
| 11:52.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:54.24 | faust_ | The sinner returns. |
| 11:54.35 | faust_ | And he has re-found his path. |
| 11:54.44 | faust_ | Man, Etch looks good on my laptop now :) |
| 11:55.03 | blondie | o.o |
| 11:55.06 | blondie | O.O |
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| 11:57.16 | TauPan | hi folks, I'm looking for a way to configure the font selection so that it chooses etl-fixed in favour of misc-fixed. How can I do that? |
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| 11:58.46 | TauPan | is it sufficient to put all those paths containing "misc" later in the font path? |
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| 12:00.17 | ex0s | Hello, im running a debian based system called clarkconnect. And i have just installed a RAID card to run a RAID1 (Mirroring) on my two identical harddrives. So i create the array in the cards bios and evertything works fine so far, but then, when i'm about to boot the system for the fírsttime since the array creation the system bootup stops at the part where it checks the root file system. And i get to write in root pass |
| 12:01.09 | ex0s | and the card is hardware based! |
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| 12:02.33 | TauPan | ex0s: you get an error message before you see the prompt for the root password. The content of that error message is important. |
| 12:02.53 | Mooi | ok, I've installed zd1211 driver. I loaded it. lsusb shows "Bus 003 Device 005: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS" while dmesg | tail shows " zd1211 - http://zd1211.ath.cx/ - r83 " | "Based on www.zydas.com.tw driver version 2.5.0.0" |
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| 12:03.05 | Mooi | Any ideas on what to do? there is nothing showing up in the iwconfig |
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| 12:04.08 | ex0s | TauPan yes, just wait a second |
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| 12:05.16 | TauPan | ah, I've solved my particular problem by configuring the application to use etl-fixed, hmm |
| 12:05.38 | ex0s | TauPan, the error message is "No medium found while trying to open /dev/hda3 |
| 12:06.05 | TauPan | that could mean that the driver for the raid controller was not loaded |
| 12:06.32 | TauPan | if the raid contains the root filesystem, the driver has to be in your initrd |
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| 12:07.05 | ex0s | hm okay, but i don't think there's a linux driver :O |
| 12:07.38 | ex0s | I have a Promise Fasttrack TX2000 card, and they just have cards for turbolinux, redhat eg. |
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| 12:07.54 | ex0s | i have not installed a driver, thats for sure |
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| 12:08.46 | TauPan | you've installed a card without knowing there's a driver for it? |
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| 12:10.20 | ex0s | http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?productID=88&category=all&os=100 |
| 12:11.13 | ex0s | there's all the drivers present for the card, i have linux drivers and so on, but i dont know if those drivers will work with clarkconnect! |
| 12:12.10 | TauPan | clarkconnect being your box? |
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| 12:13.03 | ex0s | yes, it's a debian based system |
| 12:13.05 | Mooi | ok |
| 12:13.38 | TauPan | awell, when you've compiled your module (I would look if it's part of the stock debian kernel, before using a proprietary driver) you put it into /etc/mkinitrd/modules and call mkinitrd |
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| 12:14.42 | ex0s | TauPan i don't understand |
| 12:14.49 | blondie | is etch netinstall working atm? |
| 12:15.12 | TauPan | "linux drivers" are called "modules" |
| 12:15.51 | TauPan | and they need to be loaded into the kernel before using the hardware |
| 12:16.29 | TauPan | when the linux kernel boots, it loads a small disk image into the ram, containing drivers, that's the initrd for "initial ramdisk" |
| 12:16.55 | TauPan | with mkinitrd you can set that disk image up with the approprate modules |
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| 12:18.03 | ex0s | hm, okay, but what can i do to fix this, there's a linux source code avaiable at promise homesite! |
| 12:18.50 | TauPan | well, I suggest you read up some stuff first, then re-read what I suggested |
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| 12:19.07 | TauPan | I'm outta here, have fun! :) |
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| 12:36.01 | faust_ | ex0s, do you know how to use ModuleAssistant? |
| 12:37.38 | faust_ | If you're gonna compile drivers from source, I suggest you look into that. |
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| 12:40.22 | gnudo | i finally managed to install backport kernel 2.6.18-3 on my debian sarge laptop and then i proceeded to install the madwifi driver for my atheros card which works fine with backport kernel 2.6.16. the compilation and installation of the madwifi driver on my laptop running *2.6.18-3* was sucessful but less than a minute after getting an internet connection it locks the machine solid! what gives? |
| 12:40.50 | gnudo | the logs do not mention anything unsual about the madwifi driver except... |
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| 12:41.00 | gnudo | "cs: warning: no high memory space available" |
| 12:42.43 | yassine | im trying to bind my servlet container using : ProxyPass / http://localhost:8080/ and ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8080/ but it fails claiming you dont have permition to access what ever i try to get on the server any idea whats going wrong ? |
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| 12:56.02 | Gnea | HymnToLife: why do you talk shit about ubuntu in your quit message? |
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| 12:58.18 | Sup3rkiddo | #debian-hurd |
| 12:58.21 | Sup3rkiddo | oops |
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| 12:59.08 | HymnToLife | Gnea, why wouldn't I ? |
| 12:59.25 | HymnToLife | if you have no sense of humor, not my fault |
| 12:59.30 | Gnea | HymnToLife: what did ubuntu 'steal' from debian? |
| 12:59.51 | dli | HymnToLife, :) |
| 12:59.57 | pumpkin0 | Gnea: it is based 100% on debian ... |
| 13:00.16 | Gnea | i think you've been smoking crack |
| 13:00.23 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 13:00.23 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 13:00.32 | Gnea | no, it's not 100% |
| 13:00.40 | Gnea | please, get your facts correct |
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| 13:01.31 | petemc | freedom of speech is a valuable asset to society |
| 13:01.40 | Gnea | when used properly |
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| 13:02.15 | petemc | what was said is bullshit, but not worth getting annoyed about |
| 13:02.28 | gnudo | Gnea: define "when used properly" |
| 13:02.34 | Gnea | that's fine, as long as we agree that it's bullshit :) |
| 13:02.59 | HymnToLife | it's satirical, so as awlays, it's exxagerated |
| 13:03.10 | HymnToLife | but has a part of truth in it |
| 13:03.26 | Gnea | why not the full truth? |
| 13:03.31 | pumpkin0 | Gnea: it started with a 100% copy. Stuff got added/removed afterwards. |
| 13:03.41 | HymnToLife | becbavause the full truth is not funny |
| 13:03.44 | HymnToLife | because* |
| 13:03.47 | petemc | :) |
| 13:03.53 | Gnea | pumpkin0: but it is not 100% *now* |
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| 13:04.22 | Gnea | HymnToLife: i disagree, but that's fine :) |
| 13:04.44 | dli | HymnToLife, it's a good joke by itself, no need to elaborate |
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| 13:05.27 | Sup3rkiddo | guys, how do i check what files are installed for a package |
| 13:05.36 | petemc | dpkg -L package |
| 13:05.36 | dpkg | ii package 1.2-13.1 petemc's private stamp collection |
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| 13:06.02 | Sup3rkiddo | oh..i was meddling with apt-cache :P..thanks |
| 13:06.06 | petemc | oh no, its abrotman |
| 13:06.19 | abrotman | where! |
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| 13:06.27 | petemc | right there! |
| 13:06.35 | abrotman | WHERE?!?! |
| 13:06.41 | petemc | with some sort of crd on his ass |
| 13:06.44 | petemc | crud |
| 13:07.11 | petemc | ive seen pictures |
| 13:07.37 | abrotman | cakebutt! |
| 13:07.42 | petemc | heh |
| 13:08.24 | petemc | i had a chicken cheesesteak yesterday |
| 13:08.56 | petemc | managed to eat it without getting any of it on my ass |
| 13:09.18 | abrotman | how'd you get one of those ? |
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| 13:09.30 | faust_ | ok, that just opened up a whole load of unwelcome mental images. |
| 13:09.33 | petemc | i paid someone to cook it for me |
| 13:09.46 | petemc | its apparently a common concept |
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| 13:09.59 | petemc | "restaurant" , they called it |
| 13:10.00 | abrotman | no way ... |
| 13:10.14 | abrotman | there's an irish restaurant in philly that serves them .. believe it or not! |
| 13:10.20 | petemc | :) |
| 13:10.25 | petemc | is there spuds in it? |
| 13:10.33 | faust_ | An irish restaurant serving chicken? Can't be. |
| 13:10.44 | abrotman | they have regular cheesesteaks too! |
| 13:10.46 | faust_ | After all, an irish seven course meal is a sixpack of Guinness and a potato.. |
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| 13:11.23 | abrotman | petemc: no .. the menu goes like this ... "Pork chops with blah blah and leeks served with potatoes -> Cheesesteak - Irish favorite!" |
| 13:11.40 | Gnea | faust_: well around these parts, beer is like air - it's a given ;) |
| 13:12.09 | CharminTheMoose | Cheesesteak Irish favorite? |
| 13:12.21 | CharminTheMoose | FIrst time i've ever heard of a cheesesteak |
| 13:12.21 | petemc | i like them and im irish |
| 13:12.23 | faust_ | CharminTheMoose, it's everything they can't have. Of course they love it. |
| 13:12.25 | petemc | so it must be true |
| 13:12.28 | CharminTheMoose | what ever the hell it is |
| 13:12.41 | abrotman | Downey's Special Cheese Steak........$10.95: Prime filet tips grilled with sauteed onions, peppers, mushrooms and cheese. Our signature sandwich! |
| 13:12.41 | abrotman | With Chicken......$9.95 |
| 13:12.41 | CharminTheMoose | i'm irish as well,but i've never heard of it |
| 13:12.42 | faust_ | CharminTheMoose: probably a steak with cheese in or around it. |
| 13:12.43 | abrotman | see! |
| 13:12.56 | abrotman | !cheesesteak |
| 13:12.57 | dpkg | [cheesesteak] http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 13:13.03 | petemc | minutesteak |
| 13:13.40 | CharminTheMoose | One of the greatest pleasures in life has got to be a full irish breakfast. |
| 13:13.41 | CharminTheMoose | mmmhm |
| 13:13.53 | petemc | soda bread 4tw |
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| 13:14.23 | CharminTheMoose | egg,bacon,sausage,and black and white pudding.scrumptious |
| 13:14.30 | petemc | thats english |
| 13:14.40 | CharminTheMoose | really? |
| 13:14.49 | petemc | yz |
| 13:14.50 | faust_ | right now I'll go for this pizza and a shitload of Murphy's Irish Red. |
| 13:14.52 | CharminTheMoose | goddamn it |
| 13:15.00 | petemc | irish is egg, sausage, bacon, soda bread, potato bread |
| 13:15.15 | petemc | no blood pudding |
| 13:15.22 | abrotman | no beeR? |
| 13:15.22 | CharminTheMoose | soda bread?potato bread?never come across them ever |
| 13:15.33 | abrotman | and you call yourself irish! |
| 13:15.35 | CharminTheMoose | do you live in ireland petemc? |
| 13:15.39 | petemc | they rocketh mightily |
| 13:15.42 | faust_ | irish breakfast is 12 oysters and a guinness. |
| 13:15.45 | petemc | belfast, aye |
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| 13:16.07 | faust_ | Belfast.. Man, it's a long time since I've been there. |
| 13:16.07 | Gnea | as irish as i am, nothing beats real mexican |
| 13:16.09 | CharminTheMoose | i'm from dublin myself |
| 13:16.11 | faust_ | Seven years... |
| 13:16.17 | faust_ | is The Elbow still there? |
| 13:16.23 | petemc | yeah |
| 13:16.36 | faust_ | Spent every night for two weeks drunk in there when I was 17. |
| 13:16.40 | faust_ | Study trip my ass :) |
| 13:16.41 | abrotman | my mom used to live near belfast .. i used to spend my summers there |
| 13:16.48 | faust_ | 60 drunk norwegians tearing the hell out of downtown. |
| 13:16.52 | Gnea | the study of beer :) |
| 13:16.58 | petemc | ill knack yer ballacks in wee lad |
| 13:17.17 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 13:18.00 | abrotman | petemc: so was your cheesesteak as good as a "real" one ? |
| 13:18.07 | petemc | not at all |
| 13:18.11 | petemc | it wasnt bad tho |
| 13:18.28 | faust_ | ah, well. gotta go. |
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| 13:18.35 | faust_ | See you drunkards later :) |
| 13:18.40 | Gnea | :) |
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| 13:22.06 | CharminTheMoose | anyone here know if it's possible to compile dosemu from source? |
| 13:22.15 | abrotman | why would you? |
| 13:22.35 | CharminTheMoose | i'm compiling the latest version |
| 13:22.37 | CharminTheMoose | 1.2.2 |
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| 13:22.52 | Gnea | you mean dosemu was never source to begin with? |
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| 13:23.05 | abrotman | !info dosemu sarge |
| 13:23.10 | dpkg | dosemu: (The Linux DOS Emulator), section contrib/otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 924 kB, Installed size: 2086 kB |
| 13:23.21 | abrotman | you're joking right ? |
| 13:23.27 | abrotman | wtf do you need dosemu for anyways ? |
| 13:24.09 | schme | I am quite sure it is possible to compile it from source (: |
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| 13:24.09 | CharminTheMoose | quake running |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | tried dosbox ? |
| 13:24.09 | CharminTheMoose | yup |
| 13:24.15 | abrotman | why doesn't 1.2.1 dosemu work ? |
| 13:24.17 | CharminTheMoose | it didn't work |
| 13:24.45 | abrotman | but 1.2.2 does ? |
| 13:24.47 | CharminTheMoose | 'cos i want to use the latest version |
| 13:25.01 | abrotman | so compile it |
| 13:25.06 | abrotman | or ... |
| 13:25.14 | schme | native quake? |
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| 13:25.35 | CharminTheMoose | i just keep getting some nasty errors involving ld |
| 13:25.45 | abrotman | you could do a simple sid backport |
| 13:26.32 | maxsoft | hi all :) I've some problem to configure a Z-Com Medion 40900 802.11b Adapter. some body like help me ? :) |
| 13:26.55 | abrotman | in debian? |
| 13:27.02 | maxsoft | yes xubuntu |
| 13:27.08 | maxsoft | is debian |
| 13:27.11 | abrotman | that is NOT debian .. please ask #xubuntu |
| 13:27.20 | abrotman | or try ##linux |
| 13:27.32 | schme | CharminTheMoose: I would recommend the dosemu mailing list.. But isn't there a linux port of quake? |
| 13:27.38 | maxsoft | exist a debian free distro? can you tell me how to download please? :) |
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| 13:27.49 | abrotman | !d-i maxsoft |
| 13:27.49 | dpkg | maxsoft, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:28.00 | abrotman | !quake |
| 13:28.00 | dpkg | hmm... quake is one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
| 13:28.26 | maxsoft | thank you :) |
| 13:28.32 | schme | Quake is some modern version of nethack, yes? |
| 13:28.43 | abrotman | maxsoft: or ask #wireless |
| 13:28.55 | CharminTheMoose | schme:Anything but |
| 13:28.57 | abrotman | schme: less killing in quake |
| 13:29.31 | maxsoft | 14 disks? :! |
| 13:29.33 | wols | and you can't commit genocide in quake |
| 13:30.02 | CharminTheMoose | quake is the game that revolutionised 3d shootemups.unless that was doom...... |
| 13:30.05 | schme | Ahh.. one of them games designed to keep children from getting nightmares (: |
| 13:30.09 | abrotman | quake is crap .. play RoTT |
| 13:30.16 | pumpkin0 | maxsoft: 16 CDs for etch. |
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| 13:30.40 | schme | maxsoft: You could of course do a netinstall :) |
| 13:30.48 | maxsoft | :) I try :) |
| 13:30.50 | pumpkin0 | maxsoft: you can download the netinstall CD (~250MB) and download the rest onDemand. It´s faster that way. |
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| 13:31.32 | CharminTheMoose | so sure the graphics in quake are dated as hell,it's still a great time waster! |
| 13:31.42 | abrotman | RoTT! |
| 13:31.58 | CharminTheMoose | RoTT? |
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| 13:32.10 | abrotman | poser |
| 13:32.21 | maxsoft | sorry.. but wich is the distro that have less problem with hardware ? debian ? |
| 13:32.37 | pumpkin0 | maxsoft: depends on the hardware... |
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| 13:33.26 | maxsoft | well thank you very much :) bye |
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| 13:34.00 | pumpkin0 | !it maxsoft |
| 13:34.21 | pumpkin0 | !it |
| 13:34.21 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 13:38.22 | Renfield | Hello. I'm having problems getting audio working. I ran alsaconf as root and it said that audio has been set up properly, but when I try to play something it says it can't open audio. How do I find out what device my sound card is attached to? |
| 13:39.02 | abrotman | is your user in the audio group ? |
| 13:39.10 | abrotman | does sound work as root ? |
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| 13:44.07 | Renfield | Ah, it was the group issue. Thanks. |
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| 13:49.44 | Ilovemypuppy | how can I pick a different mirror for updates? mirror.kernel.org has been screwed up |
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| 13:50.13 | AnyFile | Hello all! Does anybody have probelm with flash plugin of firefox/mozilla? When I look at *some* pages that use flash plugin, all the screen assume strange colours, the competer became terrible slow and the wallpaper of the desktop get these strange colours and other nasting things happen (and this sort of things happen with more than one desktop manager, so I think it is not a problem in... |
| 13:50.14 | AnyFile | ...the desktop manager) |
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| 13:50.57 | abrotman | general rule . flash in linux sucks |
| 13:52.07 | Achille | Greetings, how can one remove some `cached` dns entries? Yesterday I changed some dns servers but this one computer still retrieves the old entries, I think in windows there's a command: ipconfig /flushdns, how can one do the same in debian ? |
| 13:52.15 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:why do you say that? |
| 13:52.26 | abrotman | because it's true |
| 13:52.32 | CharminTheMoose | how so? |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | do you have flash installed? |
| 13:52.46 | blondie | Achille: they're application specific, unless you're running dnsmasq or similar |
| 13:52.47 | CharminTheMoose | yeah |
| 13:52.54 | abrotman | go try to browse yakima.com |
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| 13:53.13 | chugga | has debian gotten VLC yet? |
| 13:53.17 | Achille | blondie: if I do `host 123.some.host.com` -> the old ip comes up, |
| 13:53.36 | blondie | Achille: what host? |
| 13:53.38 | Ilovemypuppy | ok I changed my sources - what is this message about there are no public key available for the dollowing key id's? i can run apt-get update 100x in a row and it doesnt go away |
| 13:54.09 | blondie | Achille: if the IP has been changed recently, maybe it hasn't fully propagated yet |
| 13:54.17 | schme | Ilovemypuppy: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 13:54.19 | Achille | blondie: from every other computer I get the right ip, but not from this -- I changed it yesterday |
| 13:54.19 | blondie | Ilovemypuppy: see /topic |
| 13:54.41 | Achille | blondie: again, I'd like to flush the dns entries, I know they are saved somwhere in the networking stack -- is it even possible to do this in linux ? |
| 13:54.52 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:Your point is? |
| 13:54.59 | chugga | !dpkg vlc |
| 13:55.01 | abrotman | does it work ? |
| 13:55.33 | abrotman | chugga: what are you looking for ? |
| 13:55.33 | CharminTheMoose | yup |
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| 13:55.38 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: are you sure? |
| 13:55.39 | [zebra] | i 've changed my /etc/profile and want reinitialize env. variables for whole system, including active sessions. does anybody know how to do it ? |
| 13:55.44 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: you don't have a big white box in the middle ? |
| 13:55.51 | abrotman | http://yakima.com/Category.aspx?id=5 |
| 13:55.53 | chugga | abrotman, wondering if i can install VLC. couldnt the last time i tried (some 6 months ago) |
| 13:55.59 | abrotman | so just try |
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| 13:56.26 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:oh yeah,i do |
| 13:56.42 | CharminTheMoose | but apart from that it worked grand |
| 13:56.44 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: when i try that URL in multiple browsers with different versions of flash .. i get the top nav bar .. overtop a big white box where the content is supposed to be |
| 13:56.54 | abrotman | there are all kinds of problems with flash onlinux |
| 13:57.04 | AnyFile | one of the problem is that the last avaible version of flash for linux is 7 and no version 9 is avaible |
| 13:57.25 | blondie | blame Adobe. |
| 13:57.27 | abrotman | yes 9 is available |
| 13:57.30 | abrotman | in beta form |
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| 13:57.45 | chugga | who do i blame for VLC? |
| 13:57.51 | abrotman | http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html |
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| 13:57.57 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 13:57.57 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 13:58.10 | chugga | let me guess. political bullshit |
| 13:58.43 | blondie | Achille: linux just doesn't cache it like windows does, but individual programs might |
| 13:58.56 | abrotman | go read the god damned URL |
| 13:59.09 | chugga | its juts a bunch of package versions :S |
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| 13:59.14 | blondie | I have vlc in testing :D |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | so do i .. |
| 13:59.57 | abrotman | chugga: no it's not .. it tells you why .. did you actually read it ? |
| 14:00.05 | blondie | chugga: and it's still there. |
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| 14:00.13 | abrotman | it tells you it's in etch |
| 14:00.20 | chugga | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.24 | blondie | apt-get update && apt-cache search videolan |
| 14:00.33 | blondie | vlc - multimedia player and streamer |
| 14:00.36 | blondie | oh look! |
| 14:01.15 | chugga | i have it in my apt-get thing. but it wont install |
| 14:01.17 | blondie | chugga: so you can install it. |
| 14:01.22 | abrotman | well .. why not? |
| 14:01.23 | blondie | why not? |
| 14:01.51 | chugga | jagga:/home/d33p# apt-get install vlc |
| 14:01.52 | chugga | Reading package lists... Done |
| 14:01.52 | chugga | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 14:01.52 | chugga | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 14:01.52 | chugga | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 14:01.52 | chugga | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:02.01 | RoyK | hi |
| 14:02.06 | chugga | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.10 | RoyK | seems the dspam package in etch is broken..... |
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| 14:02.21 | chugga | it gives a bunch of messages that are unintelligible to me |
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| 14:03.51 | blondie | chugga: paste bin them then |
| 14:03.58 | abrotman | chugga: you've been here before .. you know how it works .. we need the error to help you |
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| 14:04.08 | chugga | sec |
| 14:04.19 | chugga | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:04.32 | blondie | Achille: unless you have nscd installed which does cache DNS |
| 14:04.46 | abrotman | RoyK: checked the bts ? |
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| 14:06.00 | chugga | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4762 |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | chugga: apt-get update .. try again |
| 14:06.47 | abrotman | !info libcairo2 etch |
| 14:06.50 | raf256 | what is a good gui to configure wireless? |
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| 14:06.55 | dpkg | libcairo2: (The Cairo 2D vector graphics library), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 375 kB, Installed size: 620 kB |
| 14:07.13 | chugga | i did one earlier today. but doing one now all the same |
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| 14:07.55 | abrotman | try apt-get -f install |
| 14:08.19 | dembug | hi all ive been working on a kernel compile, I'm all done now apart from one tiny thing, I need sensors.o for lm-sensors-current, but i cant find it in the make menuconfig does anybody know what section its under? :) |
| 14:08.33 | Achille | blondie: I'm guessing my upstream provider is caching the enties then.. |
| 14:08.43 | Achille | OB |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | dembug: 2.6 ? |
| 14:09.04 | dembug | yes :) |
| 14:09.10 | shay | hello folks, say I sun "screen" on a local machine, then, inside the screen I connect to a remote machine, and in the remote machine I run "screen" again. Now I want to manage the remote screen, (say, opening new consoles, splitting the screen, etc..) how do I switch the control between the remote and the local session of "screen"? |
| 14:09.16 | shay | s/sun/run |
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| 14:09.23 | abrotman | dembug: it'd be .ko |
| 14:09.38 | dembug | .ko? |
| 14:09.50 | dembug | im not a fantastic kernel expert btw :< |
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| 14:10.25 | dembug | oooh i found i2c |
| 14:10.29 | dembug | thats a start |
| 14:10.50 | RoyK | how do i rebuild a package from source after modifying the source |
| 14:10.50 | RoyK | ? |
| 14:10.56 | RoyK | the debian way |
| 14:11.07 | raf256 | RoyK: debian way? hire Stallman |
| 14:11.08 | kadambi | cfdisk is returning error number 4, but fdisk shows the disk geometry, any ways to fix it ? |
| 14:11.30 | raf256 | stew: I got that wireless working (at least it shows in ifconfig and iwconfig) now |
| 14:11.41 | valdyn | shay: why is this a problem at all? |
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| 14:11.55 | dembug | can anyone tell me what section sensors is under, or what section .ko denotes? |
| 14:12.09 | chugga | Need to get 65.6MB of archives. |
| 14:12.10 | chugga | After unpacking 41.3MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 14:12.20 | chugga | worth it for vlc, right? |
| 14:12.23 | shay | valdyn, because the "control" of the screen "stays" in the local one |
| 14:12.45 | valdyn | shay: you can detach it like any other screen session |
| 14:12.58 | dembug | anybody? :< |
| 14:12.59 | shay | valdyn, you did not understand theproblem. |
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| 14:13.05 | valdyn | shay: right |
| 14:13.13 | valdyn | shay: hence im asking |
| 14:13.18 | h3sp4wn | shay: control a (let go of control) a (and then you are on the other screen) |
| 14:14.03 | h3sp4wn | shay: you have to press a twice but you cannot have control held the second time |
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| 14:14.05 | blondie | Achille: yes that's likely |
| 14:14.19 | shay | great h3sp4wn, thanks |
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| 14:16.40 | dembug | can anybody help me find a way to add sensors.o to my kernel :< |
| 14:16.52 | dembug | desperately trying to find it :) |
| 14:17.25 | abrotman | !locate sensors.o sarge |
| 14:17.25 | dpkg | sensors.o: ftp://127.0.0.1/upload/sarge.exe and also ftp://warez.dal.net/operwarez/sarge.exe |
| 14:17.40 | abrotman | !find sensors.o sarge |
| 14:17.42 | chugga | ha ha ha |
| 14:17.45 | dembug | ;< |
| 14:17.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sensors.o' (3 of 14): (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k6/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/bmcsensors.o) in utils/lm-sensors-2.4.27-3-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-3-k7/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/bmcsensors.o) in utils/lm-sensors-2.4.27-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-k6/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/bmcsensors.o) in utils/lm-sensors-2.4.27-2-k6. |
| 14:18.20 | dembug | tis 2.6 :D |
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| 14:18.36 | h3sp4wn | 2.6 uses .ko not .o |
| 14:18.51 | dembug | ohh |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | i said that! |
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| 14:19.38 | dembug | indeed ;< |
| 14:19.40 | dembug | i just misunderstood |
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| 14:20.35 | raf256 | help me with wifi \o/ |
| 14:21.08 | dembug | !find sensors.ko sarge |
| 14:21.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sensors.ko' returned no results. |
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| 14:25.09 | RoyK | hi. just changed part of the dspam package in etch, but what do i do after dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 14:25.20 | abchirk | !ops oFF spam on join... bla la redhat and asterisk too |
| 14:25.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: oFF spam on join... bla la redhat and asterisk too |
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| 14:25.41 | dooglus | could someone with logs of this channel please tell me how I left 8 hours and 18 minutes ago please? |
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| 14:25.57 | dooglus | I was asleep at the time, and didn't get kicked as far as I can tell... |
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| 14:26.40 | asg | dooglus: there was maintenance at freenode |
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| 14:26.53 | dooglus | asg: so the IRC server went down? |
| 14:27.00 | notmentor | I'm not seeing it |
| 14:27.09 | dooglus | asg: I didn't leave any other channels on freenode - only #debian |
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| 14:28.01 | asg | dooglus: some were affected over others (http://freenode.net/news.shtml) |
| 14:28.10 | abrotman | notmentor: because you're not abchirk .. he's special |
| 14:28.13 | dooglus | asg: thanks for the link |
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| 14:28.54 | notmentor | abchirk: ? |
| 14:29.05 | dooglus | asg: it's strange that I managed to stay in the other channels I'm in though. |
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| 14:29.24 | abrotman | dooglus: it's IRC .. it happens |
| 14:29.39 | asg | dooglus: well, the irc network is somewhat complex |
| 14:29.50 | mentor | dooglus: I don't have logs that far back, but debhelper has an automated kick for flloding.... |
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| 14:30.26 | dooglus | mentor: my PC was switched off overnight, and I don't tend to flood in my sleep anyway... |
| 14:30.35 | raf256 | zomfg! my wifi is almost working, help me.. it detects network, accesspoint sees my computer, but how to assign IP to it and create route? should I use dhclient? edit interfaces file? |
| 14:30.40 | humbolt | does anybody know, is there a chat for dsl matters? |
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| 14:31.09 | mentor | humbolt: DSL matters? |
| 14:31.18 | mentor | humbolt: Check out the server channel list? |
| 14:31.27 | dembug | rawr |
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| 14:33.51 | dooglus | it seems that the server restarted, my client reconnected and tried to rejoin channels. when it tried to rejoin #debian, it got "07:12 [freenode] -!- #debian #debian-overflow Forwarding to another channel" |
| 14:34.01 | mentor | ah |
| 14:34.05 | asg | dooglus: yes, that happens and is normal |
| 14:34.06 | mentor | join rate limiting |
| 14:34.09 | raf256 | how to assign IP to wireless card eth1? |
| 14:34.17 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 14:34.17 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 14:34.18 | dembug | "Sleep deprivation can increase your risk of erectile dysfunction," |
| 14:34.19 | mentor | ifconfig? |
| 14:34.19 | dembug | doh |
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| 14:34.36 | mentor | dembug: thanks for sharing |
| 14:34.40 | dembug | its oki |
| 14:34.46 | petemc | i find being fatigued makes me more prone to being aroused |
| 14:34.55 | petemc | same with hungover |
| 14:34.56 | dembug | was just thinking how many nights i spent slaving over my console *before* i had gf probs :P |
| 14:35.01 | asg | petemc: o/~ just beat it o/~ |
| 14:35.03 | raf256 | abrotman: yeah I know THAT, but for wifi? |
| 14:35.15 | petemc | heh |
| 14:35.15 | raf256 | abrotman: wifi iface should normally use dhcp or what? |
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| 14:36.04 | dooglus | asg: and then: "07:17 -!- dooglus was kicked from #debian-overflow by debhelper [idle 5 min]"" |
| 14:36.20 | asg | dooglus: again, nothing wrong with that. |
| 14:36.30 | dooglus | asg: except I end up not being in #debian... |
| 14:36.43 | dooglus | asg: and I miss all your words of wisdom for a whole 8 hours. |
| 14:36.58 | asg | dooglus: well, there is no right given to irc users that they should be allowed to idle ;) |
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| 14:37.16 | asg | dooglus: also, no wisdom from me since I wasn't on during the time you were out |
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| 14:40.02 | h3sp4wn | raf256: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Modes.gz or man 7 wireless or hook in wpasupplicant into a pre-up wpa_supplicant -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -iath0 -B -Dwext (and add a pre-up sleep 5) (you might want the wpasupplicant from backports as it integrates into /etc/network/interfaces better and has the wpa doc) |
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| 14:40.33 | raf256 | thans h3sp4wn |
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| 14:41.29 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: so I have connection to my router @ 192.168.44.1 how to quickly allow internet then? |
| 14:41.48 | raf256 | route add default gw 192.168.44.1 dev eth1 is not enought. eth1 is my fully working (it seems) wifi card |
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| 14:42.52 | boodie | Hi: I have installed apache2, I would like to run some cgi-bin programs that I ran under apache; I can't understand where to place them, or how to instruct the www server to execute them... can anyone giva a hint? |
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| 14:43.27 | asg | boodie: /usr/lib/cgi-bin is where you usually need to put them. |
| 14:43.36 | benny99 | hi, is there a way to disable the agpgart module at startup ?? |
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| 14:44.03 | asg | benny99: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 14:44.23 | h3sp4wn | raf256: using wpa ? if not do |
| 14:44.30 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: using |
| 14:44.35 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: but I entered keys in |
| 14:44.37 | benny99 | thanks |
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| 14:44.47 | raf256 | in kwifimanager and it seem to work |
| 14:45.05 | MatBoy | does some know if you always have the compile the whole Xen stuff ? Can't I just download a full package ? |
| 14:45.16 | chugga | this is buggered |
| 14:45.56 | chugga | Unpacking xkb-data (from .../xkb-data_0.9-4_all.deb) ... |
| 14:45.56 | chugga | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 14:45.58 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: the WAP connection already IS working, I just need to like assign IP to that card and actually use it to get data |
| 14:46.06 | cahoot | raf256: run dhclient? |
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| 14:46.13 | ziby | hi all |
| 14:46.14 | raf256 | cahoot: I tried, no response |
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| 14:47.38 | boodie | Problem is, I have no /usr/lib/cgi-bin directory ... then after I created it how do I tell apache2 that this is where the cgi-bins stay? |
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| 14:48.18 | asg | boodie: did you install apache2-common? |
| 14:48.22 | h3sp4wn | raf256: http://paste.debian.net/18082 (that is what /etc/network/interfaces should look like with a recent wpasupplicant) |
| 14:48.32 | boodie | hmmm - let me see |
| 14:48.33 | yang | Hello which software should I use to copy the video from my digital hi-8 camera ? |
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| 14:49.09 | raf256 | thanks, will try |
| 14:49.54 | h3sp4wn | raf256: If you are on sarge I think you need the wpasupplicant from backports.org |
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| 14:51.45 | abchirk | !beer abrotman ;) |
| 14:53.32 | boodie | asg: I'm on etch ... ther doesn't seem to be apache2-common |
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| 14:54.39 | asg | boodie: hmmm, it appears to be apache2.2-common |
| 14:55.16 | boodie | yes - I have it installed |
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| 14:56.00 | MatBoy | damn, I was waiting for 3 hours compiling a kernel yesterday.... now it only takes munutes with -j friend :) |
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| 14:56.51 | asg | boodie: does 'dpkg -L apache2.2-common | grep cgi-bin' indicate that cgi-bin is part of that package? |
| 14:57.30 | zamaliphe | !wmva |
| 14:57.37 | zamaliphe | !wmv |
| 14:57.38 | dpkg | somebody said wmv was http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsMediaVideo : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited. |
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| 14:58.13 | boodie | asg: apparently not |
| 14:58.34 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
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| 14:59.01 | pheber | i have compiled kernel-2.6.8 with applied patch for boosplash/graphic console. now the kernel hangs without any obious error message, the last line says: "RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks 8192 size 1024 blocksize". can this be soloved and how?? Thanks! |
| 15:00.41 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know if it's possible to do the equivalent of a du -h -c via ftp? |
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| 15:03.48 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: i don't think so |
| 15:04.07 | boodie | asg: apparently cgi-bin is not part of apache2.2-common |
| 15:04.13 | mouse | whups |
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| 15:05.00 | magdalene | ./msg nickserv ident bastet |
| 15:05.12 | magdalene | whussaga |
| 15:05.17 | magdalene | blah |
| 15:05.23 | magdalene | jus woke up |
| 15:05.30 | magdalene | now i have tochange my pass |
| 15:05.35 | asg | boodie: hmmm, I'm not sure then. Perhaps someone else knows or /usr/share/doc/apache2*/README* has some indication. |
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| 15:07.22 | abrotman | so damn slow! |
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| 15:10.21 | ericP | intalling the daily netinst, i saw "Invalid Release file: no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages/" |
| 15:10.32 | ericP | i saw this after it downloaded stuff from the net |
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| 15:12.05 | ericP | easy guys, one at a time with the advice |
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| 15:12.19 | abrotman | same with RC1 ? |
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| 15:12.40 | cyzie | next release of debian testing codename lenny |
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| 15:13.04 | bigwig | hello |
| 15:13.10 | abrotman | cyzie: yes |
| 15:13.37 | PumpkinPie | what is lenny for? |
| 15:13.40 | boodie | The files in /usr/share/doc/apache/manual are in HTML, but have no information |
| 15:14.02 | bigwig | i have a motherboard with intel g965 chipset. i would like to install debian sarge, but the installer does not find the cdrom drive (it is IDE). what should i do? |
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| 15:14.13 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: it's the next version after etch |
| 15:14.22 | abrotman | !tell bigwig about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:14.23 | PumpkinPie | oh the Lenny The Binoculars |
| 15:14.27 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 15:14.30 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 15:14.30 | abrotman | really ? |
| 15:14.32 | abrotman | oh |
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| 15:16.18 | magdalene | so has anyone esle had trouble logging onto f1 after installing the latest stable version of sarge |
| 15:16.33 | bigwig | abrotman: thank you but that documents how to update a working sarge to use 2.6.18. I need an installer that uses that kernel version. |
| 15:16.35 | magdalene | like just opening tty1 locally |
| 15:16.41 | abrotman | bigwig: read the whole thing |
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| 15:17.15 | pheber | i have compiled kernel-2.6.8 with applied patch for boosplash/graphic console. now the kernel hangs without any obious error message, the last line says: "RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks 8192 size 1024 blocksize". can this be soloved and how?? Thanks! |
| 15:18.40 | cyzie | pheber, graphic console ? |
| 15:18.49 | cyzie | pheber, for bootsplash, i think u can use usplash |
| 15:19.00 | bigwig | abrotman: sorry for being impatient and thank you very much! |
| 15:19.07 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 15:19.14 | cyzie | pheber, usplash dont need any kernel recompilation |
| 15:19.22 | abrotman | doesn't ? |
| 15:20.18 | pheber | cryzie: yeah graphic console for displaying images, colors etc. i wanted 256 colors on vt |
| 15:20.51 | pheber | however my initrd has 5Mb of size. |
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| 15:21.04 | cyzie | pheber, that's nice. i didnt know that |
| 15:21.12 | pheber | i read somwhere that it should not be bigger that 4Mb |
| 15:21.40 | magdalene | i hate x interfaced irc |
| 15:21.55 | abrotman | so run irssi in an xterm ? |
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| 15:24.17 | magdalene | yeah, this laptop is too small to run too many things on it and im trying to get the cd to work under x atm |
| 15:24.19 | abrotman | magdalene: which X driver ? |
| 15:24.26 | felixhcat | hello |
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| 15:25.16 | magdalene | abrotman what does that have to do with the tty vterminal on f1 |
| 15:25.32 | abrotman | okay .. what happens when you hit ctrl-alt-f1 ? |
| 15:26.30 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.37 | magdalene | its peeeing me off |
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| 15:26.45 | magdalene | o great |
| 15:27.28 | magdalene | one mention of a girl tech and some guy is tryng to pick me up now' |
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| 15:28.29 | hq4ever | Hi, I would like to "color mark" several search options simultaneously. someone knows how can I do this in vim? |
| 15:29.06 | magdalene | ack vi will kill you |
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| 15:29.35 | abrotman | magdalene: is it still going on? |
| 15:29.39 | magdalene | yeah |
| 15:29.40 | abrotman | magdalene: the harrassment i mean :) |
| 15:29.45 | abrotman | is it someone in here ? |
| 15:30.01 | abrotman | magdalene: can you ssh to your own box and login ? |
| 15:30.17 | magdalene | not since i mentioned it in screen ); |
| 15:30.30 | magdalene | :) |
| 15:30.37 | abrotman | okay |
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| 15:30.58 | abrotman | now .. can you ssh into your own box ? |
| 15:31.16 | magdalene | oh yeah thats not the problem |
| 15:31.26 | abrotman | you're saying that if you go to tty1 and then attempt to login .. it just fails .. no message at all? what about in the logs ? |
| 15:32.18 | magdalene | im probablly using wrong usage cause im pre coffee |
| 15:32.25 | magdalene | f1\ |
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| 15:33.34 | magdalene | is the terminal i ususaly use for root stuff on my laptop because its so damn smalll i only have 4 of them instead of 7 |
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| 15:34.22 | magdalene | so since the lastt kernal upgrade i cant login on f1 at all |
| 15:34.35 | magdalene | not root nor any other user |
| 15:34.56 | abrotman | kernel upgrade? did you compile your own ? |
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| 15:35.12 | magdalene | leave me with only3 terms to play with besides my X and i was wondering if anyone else had the same prob |
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| 15:36.06 | abrotman | is it only on tty1 ? |
| 15:36.12 | magdalene | yes |
| 15:36.16 | magdalene | to the tty1 |
| 15:36.40 | magdalene | and no i did it wiht petertherooney who usually hangs out in here and helps out |
| 15:37.01 | magdalene | the kernal upgrade that is |
| 15:37.20 | abrotman | does it work with the debina kernel ? |
| 15:37.46 | magdalene | im still getting the debian down.. im an old redhat girl |
| 15:38.01 | magdalene | yeah everything else works fine |
| 15:38.15 | abrotman | no .. i mean .. when you use a debian packaged kernel .. can you login on tty1? |
| 15:38.44 | magdalene | you mean remotely? |
| 15:38.47 | magdalene | hrm |
| 15:38.52 | abrotman | no .. i mean the console |
| 15:38.56 | magdalene | no |
| 15:39.10 | magdalene | it was deb package |
| 15:39.12 | magdalene | stable |
| 15:39.29 | abrotman | magdalene: uname -a .. paste it here |
| 15:39.34 | magdalene | sec |
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| 15:39.49 | zbrown_ | a strange problem just started happening when I updated etch a few days ago. |
| 15:39.49 | zbrown_ | I've tested it under fvwm and enlightenment, and it manifests on firefox, |
| 15:39.49 | zbrown_ | mozilla, kivio, and I assume other graphics programs as well (though not |
| 15:39.49 | zbrown_ | xchat): words sometimes appear just as horizontal lines or even as blank |
| 15:39.49 | zbrown_ | spaces. If I hover the mouse over them, the words might be revealed, but not |
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| 15:39.56 | cyzie | LOL |
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| 15:40.30 | magdalene | my machine, she is slow |
| 15:40.35 | LightKnight | Good afternoon, Sirs... I have some problems with wengophone/testing, basically it doesn't connect to my account (but neither ekiga does, to tell the truth) and displays errors on the audio system (but it's recognized, and it's otherwise working). Can anybody help me? |
| 15:40.35 | abrotman | zbrown_: anything in the bts ? |
| 15:40.50 | zbrown_ | abrotman: not sure - where is it? |
| 15:41.05 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:41.05 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 15:41.18 | bigwig | abrotman: i burned the sarge-custom-1115.iso image from http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ (it contains the 2.6.19-rc3-1-486 kernel) and it still does not recognise my cdrom drive. |
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| 15:41.31 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I'm not familiar with lbts |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | bigwig: does your CD have a legacy mode ? |
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| 15:42.20 | LightKnight | I guess the problem comes from the fact that I'm NATted behind a router. Can anybody help me to cpoe with this? |
| 15:42.26 | LightKnight | *to cope |
| 15:43.34 | zbrown_ | abrotman: using a browser right now is difficult - it's one of the things that's broken |
| 15:43.45 | bigwig | abrotman: well, i don't know |
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| 15:44.01 | abrotman | zbrown_: that's broken too ? |
| 15:44.08 | abrotman | bigwig: check in the bios |
| 15:44.14 | abrotman | zbrown_: also .. perhaps ask #xchat |
| 15:44.35 | zbrown_ | abrotman: well, xchat is working |
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| 15:45.00 | zbrown_ | abrotman: so far firefox, mozilla, galeon, and kivio all render text weirdly, as horizontal lines - sometimes |
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| 15:45.19 | abrotman | zbrown_: oh .. i thought you said xchat :) |
| 15:45.20 | zbrown_ | abrotman: also psi |
| 15:45.32 | zbrown_ | abrotman: it's really weird |
| 15:45.36 | abrotman | you use KDE as your desktop ? |
| 15:45.46 | magdalene | Linux nergal 2.6.8.-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
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| 15:45.52 | zbrown_ | abrotman: fvwm, but I also tested this with enlightenment and confirmed the behavior |
| 15:45.58 | abrotman | magdalene: you typed that in? |
| 15:46.06 | abrotman | magdalene: which CPU do you have ? |
| 15:46.11 | magdalene | eas |
| 15:46.41 | magdalene | horrible little pentium 133 |
| 15:46.42 | abrotman | zbrown_: if you run them from the console any messages that might pertain to fonts? |
| 15:46.54 | abrotman | magdalene: that is slow |
| 15:46.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know where I can get Beryl 0.1.3 packages? |
| 15:47.05 | abrotman | magdalene: when you try to login .. any errors in the logs ? |
| 15:47.05 | magdalene | is a laptop |
| 15:47.16 | abrotman | !info beryl sid |
| 15:47.27 | magdalene | no |
| 15:47.29 | abrotman | !info beryl experimental |
| 15:47.37 | abrotman | magdalene: which logs did you check ? |
| 15:47.51 | magdalene | it only has 32 megs of ram |
| 15:47.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | sounds like dpkg is taking a coffee break. |
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| 15:48.18 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I don't think so |
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| 15:48.34 | magdalene | the only errors i gt on logging in is when it trys to log into my home network twice |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: no ..i t's not in debian apparently |
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| 15:48.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Alright. |
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| 15:49.04 | magdalene | peter handles the administration of the rest or the logs |
| 15:49.07 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: try the wiki |
| 15:49.09 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 15:49.09 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 15:49.09 | zbrown_ | abrotman: no, no font messages |
| 15:49.12 | abrotman | or that |
| 15:49.26 | magdalene | remember im the old redhat chick |
| 15:49.34 | abrotman | magdalene: and no error when you login on the console ? |
| 15:50.01 | abrotman | zbrown_: sounds like a font issue .. but i've not seen it |
| 15:50.12 | magdalene | the console just gives me the 'wrong usernaame or password] error |
| 15:50.15 | abrotman | zbrown_: at first i thought it might be a gtk-in-kde thing |
| 15:50.49 | zbrown_ | abrotman: even though its also the menu names themselves that render funny? Do you know where those fonts are stored? |
| 15:51.04 | abrotman | oh .. only in menus ? |
| 15:51.12 | abrotman | FF and mozilla use gtk for that i believe |
| 15:51.12 | zbrown_ | abrotman: not only, but menus also |
| 15:51.38 | zbrown_ | abrotman: and it also happens with kivio, which is a qt app I think, right? |
| 15:51.48 | magdalene | zbrown you may have to apt get the microsoft fonts |
| 15:52.00 | abrotman | you would NOT need MS fonts for apps |
| 15:52.14 | magdalene | for some of te menus you might |
| 15:52.29 | abrotman | this isn't RH |
| 15:52.30 | magdalene | i was having problems with fonts |
| 15:52.39 | magdalene | ah |
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| 15:52.45 | abrotman | zbrown_: what if you change the gtk/qt themes ? |
| 15:53.02 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I'm not sure how to do that |
| 15:53.14 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I use fvwm, without much theming that I know o |
| 15:53.15 | zbrown_ | f |
| 15:53.21 | abrotman | gtk-theme-switch and gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 15:53.28 | abrotman | dunno for qt .. i don't use it |
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| 15:53.44 | magdalene | no but in debina=i was having probs with the free but not free ms fonts till i downloaded them for gnome |
| 15:53.58 | szachista_ | hello |
| 15:54.03 | zbrown_ | magdalene: the fonts display intermittantly - if I mouse over the menu, it shows up again |
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| 15:54.40 | magdalene | you might need to down load the non free ms set |
| 15:54.55 | magdalene | for gnome packages, i had to, then i was fine |
| 15:55.17 | szachista_ | how can i download package with all it's dependecies? i mean i would like to copy it to computer wihout network connection and install there |
| 15:55.21 | zbrown_ | magdalene: it would be weird if I needed non-free fonts to use Linux... |
| 15:55.37 | blondie | magdalene: you don't need such fonts for programs to work |
| 15:55.42 | szachista_ | i know there is apt-get install -d |
| 15:55.43 | magdalene | well they were free, then ms changed is mind |
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| 15:55.45 | blondie | maybe for webpages etc |
| 15:55.51 | blondie | magdalene: no they weren't free |
| 15:55.57 | blondie | not as far as debian is concerned |
| 15:55.58 | abrotman | you don't need MS fonts for apps |
| 15:56.02 | abrotman | that's just silly |
| 15:56.07 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I'm downloading those utilities |
| 15:56.13 | magdalene | they are free to download just not to distribute |
| 15:56.22 | zbrown_ | magdalene: dang! |
| 15:56.23 | boodie | I have a problem with apache2: I tried, in firefox, "http://localhost/cgi-bin/first.py" (first.py is a python script made executable) , but it doesn't work = error 404 not found |
| 15:56.27 | blondie | they aren't free as far as debian is concerned, magdalene |
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| 15:56.35 | magdalene | yes i know |
| 15:56.35 | xingu | szachista_: apt-zip |
| 15:56.36 | blondie | and are certainly not needed by any debian program |
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| 15:56.50 | zbrown_ | magdalene: if I need those fonts then there's a more serious problem than I thought |
| 15:58.06 | magdalene | just fixed my font prob is all , yes they suck ass but it saves you goiing in individually and manually loading similar fonts |
| 15:58.27 | zbrown_ | abrotman: changing themes is going to be tough - I don't seem to have any of the libraries involved - also this problem manifests under both fvwm and enlightenment. |
| 15:58.31 | szachista_ | xingu: thank you :) |
| 15:58.47 | abrotman | zbrown_: right .. but it still uses gtk libraries anyways |
| 15:58.56 | zbrown_ | abrotman: does kivio use gtk? |
| 15:59.08 | abrotman | no |
| 15:59.09 | zbrown_ | abrotman: because it also manifests there |
| 15:59.25 | abrotman | not that i'm aware of anyways |
| 15:59.26 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I think it must be deeper than gtk |
| 15:59.29 | abrotman | !depends kivio sarge |
| 15:59.33 | dpkg | kivio: depends on kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-6.4), koffice-libs (>= 1:1.3.5-0), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaspell15 (>= 0.60), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libfam0c102, libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.13), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxrender1, python2.3 (>= 2.3), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), ... |
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| 16:00.25 | bigwig | abrotman: i have the following drive setup in my bios: native mode, ahci. my cdrom is not recognised. however, if i use legacy mode, it is not recognised either |
| 16:00.29 | magdalene | enherently evil rather tooo |
| 16:00.34 | zbrown_ | abrotman: what's that "depends" command? is the ! supposed to be there? |
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| 16:00.46 | abrotman | bigwig: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net .. see if they have an idea |
| 16:00.53 | abrotman | zbrown_: that's for the bot |
| 16:00.57 | zbrown_ | ah |
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| 16:01.00 | magdalene | any command to an eggdrop is preceeded by a ! |
| 16:01.00 | zbrown_ | I'm on etch |
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| 16:01.10 | zbrown_ | !depends kivio etch |
| 16:01.13 | dpkg | kivio: depends on koffice-libs (>= 1:1.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), python2.4 (>= 2.3.90), kivio-data (>> 1:1.4.90.2-1), kivio-data (>> 1:1.6.0), kivio-data (<< 1:1.6.1), koffice-libs (<< 1:1.6.1) |
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| 16:01.36 | Zap-W | say, what's the point of slocate if locate is also installed |
| 16:01.47 | zbrown_ | maybe it's a kernel thing... |
| 16:02.01 | zbrown_ | !depends xchat |
| 16:02.10 | dpkg | xchat: depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.7), libperl5.8 (>= 5.8.8), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, ... |
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| 16:02.19 | Zap-W | !depends bananas |
| 16:02.53 | magdalene | still split from last night? |
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| 16:03.27 | bigwig | abrotman: that channel is empty :-( |
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| 16:03.58 | abrotman | #debian-boot on OFTC ? |
| 16:03.59 | acurax | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so' with |
| 16:04.00 | acurax | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.00 | acurax | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.8776-3_i386.deb (--unpack) |
| 16:04.05 | zbrown_ | !depends psi |
| 16:04.07 | bigwig | abrotman: yes |
| 16:04.12 | dpkg | psi: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libqca1c2, libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libx11-6, libxext6, libxss1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
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| 16:04.22 | abrotman | bigwig: has 78 people in it |
| 16:04.30 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 16:04.30 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
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| 16:05.06 | bigwig | abrotman: you're right terribly sorry |
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| 16:05.33 | zbrown_ | !depends gaim |
| 16:05.37 | dpkg | gaim: depends on gaim-data (= 1:2.0.0+beta5-6), libsasl2-modules, libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libavahi-compat-howl0 (>= 0.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgnutls13 (>= 1.4.0-0), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.10), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtkspell0 (>= 2.0.2), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libncursesw5 (>= 5.4-5), ... |
| 16:05.44 | magdalene | split just came back\ |
| 16:05.46 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 16:05.54 | acurax | !depends nvidia-xgl |
| 16:05.57 | zbrown_ | abrotman: d'oh! thanks |
| 16:06.15 | odla | acurax, that applies to you too |
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| 16:06.53 | magdalene | abrotman so no one else has experienced this prob? |
| 16:06.59 | abrotman | not that i've seen |
| 16:07.07 | magdalene | time to talk to peter |
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| 16:07.14 | magdalene | :D |
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| 16:07.18 | magdalene | phanx |
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| 16:07.45 | acurax | Hmmm.. |
| 16:07.54 | acurax | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:07.54 | acurax | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.54 | acurax | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.54 | acurax | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 16:08.59 | magdalene | abrotman debhelper is exactly why I typed the line in and did not paste it btw |
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| 16:09.46 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 16:09.54 | acurax | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4764 |
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| 16:10.14 | magdalene | didn't want to get kicked |
| 16:11.15 | magdalene | thanks |
| 16:11.36 | odla | acurax, what version are you using? |
| 16:11.38 | magdalene | nice to know your channel has a website |
| 16:11.52 | abrotman | version of ehat? |
| 16:12.02 | acurax | of? |
| 16:12.03 | odla | ah...sarge...etch...sid |
| 16:12.21 | acurax | I'm running dreamlinux which is based off of etch.. |
| 16:12.21 | odla | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:12.30 | abrotman | ohffs |
| 16:12.34 | odla | ha ha ha |
| 16:12.40 | xingu | that's going to hurt |
| 16:12.42 | Fluor | Can someone give me a hint to what api I should use if I want to get the amount of free physical ram on a linux box. I'm porting a windoze database prog (written in C btw) and I need to write a "portable" function to get free memory. |
| 16:12.47 | zbrown_ | 4.0 |
| 16:13.11 | odla | i thought it looked fishy that you had 6.9 installed |
| 16:13.17 | acurax | See.. to install debian i need to use netinstall but with netinstall you cannot change the duplex and my router only allows 10baseT-FD duplex |
| 16:13.26 | netman1 | Hi All. What is the recommended way to reinit udev? This is, to clean out all info about discovered hardware and run udev such that it tries to discover all hardware again? (Etch). |
| 16:13.34 | bigwig | abrotman: debian-boot people do not support unofficial images... |
| 16:13.52 | abrotman | okay .. then ask them how to do with with the sarge official installer |
| 16:14.12 | netman1 | Fluor: 'cat /proc/meminfo' ? |
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| 16:14.18 | abrotman | or the etch netinst |
| 16:14.21 | bigwig | abrotman: i asked them ;-) they told me to post a bug report... |
| 16:14.51 | Fluor | netman1: thanks but I would prefer a api instead ;) |
| 16:15.02 | xingu | Fluor: "physical memory" isn't generally a metric exposed to userland, it doesn't need to know. |
| 16:15.11 | acurax | I'm doing apt-get upgrade -f to see if that works.. |
| 16:15.37 | Fluor | xingu: so what you are saying is that there's no way to get a indicator (percent) of how much physical memory is left? |
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| 16:15.46 | acurax | For some reason now, after doing the switch duplex from 100 to 10 it's slower.. |
| 16:15.51 | Fluor | xingu: (if you are not running as root that is) |
| 16:16.01 | abrotman | free |
| 16:16.02 | xingu | Fluor: the answer to that question should always be "all memory is committed one way or another" |
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| 16:17.10 | Fluor | xingu: well probably a bit off topic maybe but what I'm trying to acheeve is that if my prog is started multiple times it can eat up all memory. I want to avoid swapping by delaying my program until memory is free again. |
| 16:17.17 | netman1 | acurax: add a ' up ip ethx link fullplex' to your /etc/network/interfaces might do the trick. See 'man ip'. |
| 16:17.40 | xingu | Fluor: you're probably groping for shmget/mlock in that case |
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| 16:17.56 | Fluor | xingu: googling it... Thanks ;) |
| 16:17.57 | xingu | Fluor: it'd be a good idea to learn about pthreads too |
| 16:18.04 | acurax | Ty. lemme try that am i going to have to dio ifdown eth0 and if up eth0 after? |
| 16:18.31 | Fluor | xingu: I just need to do a quick port of some tool. I have no plans to learn real linux programming (yet) :) |
| 16:18.42 | xingu | good luck with that |
| 16:19.09 | netman1 | acurax: Yes, but find out the exact syntax of the ip command first. |
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| 16:20.01 | Fluor | xingu: shmget is a malloc like function. Thanks but this was not what I was looking for. |
| 16:20.15 | acurax | wait is this basicly the same way as doing mii-tool --force=10baseT-FD ? |
| 16:20.38 | RichiH | can i sneak mails into the mailman archives? |
| 16:20.54 | RichiH | as in, act as if they had been sent to the list earlier |
| 16:20.55 | xingu | I know exactly what shmget is, the question you're asking is not a useful question to ask so I misappropriated it and gave you the answer you needed rather than the one you asked for. |
| 16:20.57 | abrotman | i'd ask #mailman .. but i think it's maildir like |
| 16:21.22 | xingu | about the only time userland needs to know about topology is when you're dealing with a spatially nonlinear mapping |
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| 16:21.52 | xingu | and even then it's fairly questionable |
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| 16:22.10 | acurax | Wow ther lookup is sooo slow |
| 16:22.11 | acurax | :| |
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| 16:22.28 | acurax | But after it resolves it's fast |
| 16:22.35 | Fluor | xingu: ok, I'm not familliar with how linux handles memory (as you might have guessed) ;) I guess I just have to RTFM and se if I can figure out something ;) |
| 16:22.57 | cjari | hey, this is not directly debian related question but is it possible to use screen resolution between 1024x768 and 800x600 ? |
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| 16:23.58 | xingu | Fluor: the correct question to ask is "how can I hint to the kernel that this segment is pinned and shared so that it does not demand page it lightly" |
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| 16:24.52 | odla | cjari, why? |
| 16:25.15 | cjari | odla because 1024x600 would be ideal resolution to use :) |
| 16:25.17 | Zap-W | when one uses ssh -X hostB for X11 forwarding , do i need to make MIT cookies ? |
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| 16:25.32 | cjari | but I dunno if there is some rule that prevents such? |
| 16:25.37 | odla | cjari, may you could edit xorg.conf ... but i don't know if it would work |
| 16:25.38 | xingu | Fluor: the linux (and most modern, non-broken) vmm's seek to book all physical memory at all times; anything not part of a hot working set is generally thrown at the vfs cache aside from a small pool of each order retained which scales per workload |
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| 16:26.28 | Fluor | xingu: let me explain my problem: I have written a tool that is started from the web do display a database. This process eats up 6-8MB of memory each time it's started. It finishes farily quickly so if there is high load (many instances) of my prog eating up 6-8MB each they might cause swapping. If freemem < 10% I want to delay until freemem > 10% for example to avoid swapping. |
| 16:26.32 | xingu | Fluor: hence, the question you have is more one of hinting to the kernel that you want to both share and by preferance not page a given allocation; and the least-cost way to pass those hints about is shmget and mlock |
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| 16:27.11 | Fluor | xingu: This is no problem in the winblows world but on propper OS with better memory management I can se it's going to be difficult ;) |
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| 16:27.52 | yang | I would like to do the backup of my tapes from a digital camcorder hi-8, which software should i use for that? |
| 16:29.08 | netman1 | Fluor: I would determine at install time the max number of concurrent instances and check if that number would not be crossed when it starts. |
| 16:30.35 | Fluor | well my databaseprog run on a hired server and the memoryload may vary so basing memoryusage on instances might not be a good idea. |
| 16:30.37 | xingu | I'd leave the kernel alone and not try and outguess its paging policy, people who go down that route usually get it wrong. |
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| 16:30.52 | cjari | odla thank but I tried that already and my special resolution didnt work :) |
| 16:30.58 | xingu | I'd also pin the working set in memory in the process group leader and share it |
| 16:31.01 | xingu | but hey |
| 16:31.18 | ericP | there are 20 boot image CDs. is it reasonable to install #1 alone? |
| 16:31.24 | odla | cjari, you could try #xorg ... if that channel exists |
| 16:31.27 | wols | ericP: yes |
| 16:31.28 | dvs | ericP: yup |
| 16:31.40 | odla | cjari, and it totally does :) |
| 16:31.41 | ericP | also, i saw kde CD. is that like #1, but with kde? |
| 16:31.43 | Supaplex | !netinst |
| 16:31.43 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 16:31.46 | wols | ericP: do a netinstall. ISO should be +130MB or so |
| 16:31.50 | Fluor | xingu, netman1 : thanks anyway for your help. |
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| 16:32.00 | cjari | odla thanks! |
| 16:32.10 | wols | ericP: install the rest via apt-get, it's easy and least bloat |
| 16:32.23 | odla | ericP, you can d/l a special kde cd #1...i say joey hess blog about it or you could use a netinstall cd |
| 16:32.30 | dvs | ericP: do you have a fast internet conection? |
| 16:33.08 | odla | dvs, only 7 more days in edmonton |
| 16:33.12 | ericP | wols, odla, dvs, i just tried a netinstall. had to use a bleeding edge because i have a funny CD, but got "Invalid Release file: no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages" |
| 16:33.23 | dvs | odla: yay! |
| 16:33.27 | odla | ha ha |
| 16:33.37 | dvs | odla: Then what? Whitehorse? ;-) |
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| 16:33.44 | ericP | wols, odla, dvs, tout le monde, so i'm looking for which image i should try next |
| 16:33.45 | odla | dvs, yellowknife |
| 16:33.47 | odla | :D |
| 16:34.01 | blondie | ericP: English please! |
| 16:34.16 | ericP | blondie, roger that |
| 16:34.22 | magyar | hi, how can i see what is attached to my scsi card trough /proc ? |
| 16:34.30 | wols | blondie: be more cosmopolitic! at least for well known phrases like "tout le monde"! |
| 16:35.00 | magdalene | odla aslong as its not calgary |
| 16:35.01 | blondie | wols: cosmowhat? |
| 16:35.06 | wols | ericP: why did you8 have to use a bleeding edge installer? special hardware |
| 16:35.12 | ericP | if anyone has any leads as to how i can get around this above prob, i'd be keen to continue on my current inst |
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| 16:35.26 | wols | blondie: translation: don't be a hillbilly. we know you are, but you don't have to show it toeveryone |
| 16:35.40 | odla | magdalene, he he |
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| 16:35.47 | blondie | wols: you mean "cosmopolitan" |
| 16:35.54 | wols | ericP: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:35.56 | odla | dvs, i was thinking of moving to philly to move in with abrotman |
| 16:35.59 | ericP | wols, CD wasn't recognized by the stable inst (bios found and booted from it, ...) |
| 16:36.04 | wols | blondie: I'm a foruhner. I'm allowed |
| 16:36.12 | dvs | odla: heh. He'l REALLY love that. ;-) |
| 16:36.14 | abrotman | okay .. i think |
| 16:36.15 | odla | dvs, some free loading |
| 16:36.23 | netman1 | magyar: cat /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 16:36.26 | odla | you know what can you do with a degree in ecology anyways? |
| 16:36.28 | magdalene | hey some guy just got flesh eating disease there and brought it here to die... nice |
| 16:36.31 | odla | sleep on someones couch |
| 16:36.38 | ericP | wols, at this stage in the boot, i have no /etc/apt |
| 16:36.39 | abrotman | odla: clean up the schuylkill |
| 16:36.41 | dvs | odla: I heard he like it if you speak urban English. |
| 16:36.48 | odla | dvs, he he he |
| 16:36.51 | ericP | wols, barely have an ash to sit on |
| 16:37.05 | magdalene | odla, where do you go after yellownife |
| 16:37.12 | odla | abchirk, are you heading to maine for christmas? |
| 16:37.14 | odla | oops |
| 16:37.20 | odla | abrotman, ^^^^ |
| 16:37.33 | ericP | well, i've downloaded a week-old kde-CD. (started before this conversation). worth burning and trying? |
| 16:37.36 | abrotman | odla: i have no family left there .. going to Denver |
| 16:37.36 | odla | magdalene, i'm not really going to yellowknife...i'm moving to minneapolis |
| 16:37.42 | abrotman | ericP: a what ? |
| 16:37.46 | odla | abrotman, really your ma moved? |
| 16:37.48 | magdalene | ah |
| 16:37.49 | abrotman | yep |
| 16:38.16 | ericP | abrotman, ...i386-kde-CD.iso (or something like that) |
| 16:38.36 | abrotman | the live cd ? |
| 16:38.37 | dvs | abrotman: no more cheese? |
| 16:38.37 | odla | ericP, are you looking to install sarge or etch? |
| 16:38.47 | ericP | sid |
| 16:38.48 | magdalene | i like kde, too bad my little laptop wont run it |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | dvs: oh yeah .. but we're going to my brother's in denver |
| 16:38.59 | abrotman | there is no sid installer |
| 16:39.08 | abrotman | and certainly not one named anything like -kde- |
| 16:39.10 | ericP | so etch gets me the closest, i guess |
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| 16:39.39 | acurax | Can someone please explain why i cannot install nvidia-glx? |
| 16:39.49 | abrotman | because you're not using debian |
| 16:39.49 | odla | ericP, well just download a netinstall...install what you want...cause you must be debian savy if you want to run sid...and then upgrade |
| 16:39.51 | Smerdyakov | Does anyone know a flag or similar to make "openssl req" not include a passphrase for the key? |
| 16:40.22 | acurax | dpkg-divert: rename involves overwriting `/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libglx.so' with |
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| 16:40.22 | acurax | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.8776-3_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 16:40.22 | acurax | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx_1.0.8776-3_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:40.32 | odla | that's twice |
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| 16:40.51 | odla | he's not using debian either :/ |
| 16:40.52 | ericP | abrotman, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-binary-1.iso |
| 16:41.20 | odla | ericP, that'll get you a snapshot of kde |
| 16:41.46 | ericP | odla, yeah, it was the netsintall that got me the "Invalid Release file: no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages" error |
| 16:41.54 | ericP | and i'm stuck there |
| 16:41.56 | abrotman | you used a daily |
| 16:42.03 | magyar | netman1: thanks |
| 16:42.08 | odla | ericP, ah...use etch rc1 then |
| 16:42.19 | odla | ericP, unless it doesn't support your hardware |
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| 16:42.56 | ericP | odla, latest stable failed to support my hardware. trying to guess with is the next best thing to try |
| 16:42.59 | abrotman | i told him that a while ago |
| 16:43.03 | abrotman | ericP: use RC1 |
| 16:43.15 | dvs | ericP: seconded |
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| 16:43.42 | ericP | RC1 is the weekly? (sorry, don't know how to map the term) |
| 16:43.53 | odla | ericP, see the topic |
| 16:43.53 | dvs | ericP: no |
| 16:44.02 | ericP | (... to something on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) |
| 16:44.25 | odla | ericP, then click the etch rc1 link |
| 16:45.05 | odla | ericP, it seems pretty obvious to me on that page which one is for RC1 |
| 16:45.06 | ericP | odla, you mean the huge text right there at the top of the page? |
| 16:45.33 | odla | ericP, presuming you use i386... wget -c http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:45.36 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 16:45.48 | odla | !win odla |
| 16:45.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, odla! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 16:45.58 | odla | dpkg, that's hardly 'winning' |
| 16:46.02 | dvs | abrotman: can you spell that out for me? ;-) |
| 16:46.12 | mtgh | Is there a way to not use the mod_perl 1.99 and go to modperl 2 ....and not have to go outside of debian's package managment |
| 16:46.19 | abrotman | dvs: rolaids |
| 16:46.22 | dvs | heh |
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| 16:46.35 | abrotman | !root |
| 16:46.35 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 16:47.01 | MaxiMumEle | c so malade kan t tute seul sans coke, sans coke c so malade kan t tute seul |
| 16:47.10 | blondie | MaxiMumEle: no |
| 16:47.11 | dvs | huh? |
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| 16:47.17 | blondie | MaxiMumEle: asd ewr sd gewr kj kas der |
| 16:47.29 | jayeola | qwerty - foo |
| 16:47.29 | abrotman | !es |
| 16:47.29 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:47.34 | abrotman | i thnk ? |
| 16:47.38 | rumpl | that was french |
| 16:47.40 | MaxiMumEle | no its french |
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| 16:47.50 | abrotman | !fr |
| 16:47.50 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:47.52 | abrotman | better ? :) |
| 16:47.56 | MaxiMumEle | merci |
| 16:47.57 | rumpl | yeah :) |
| 16:48.00 | dvs | that ain't French |
| 16:48.06 | abrotman | i didn't know french had so many one letter words |
| 16:48.18 | rumpl | well, it is, but the spelling aint right |
| 16:48.25 | MaxiMumEle | abrotman this is "quebecois" french |
| 16:48.27 | MaxiMumEle | from quebec |
| 16:48.31 | MaxiMumEle | we talk a bad french |
| 16:48.35 | abrotman | and english |
| 16:48.37 | ericP | iso lang code: fr_sms_haxor |
| 16:48.40 | MaxiMumEle | lol |
| 16:48.46 | abrotman | what are the quebecois good for? |
| 16:48.56 | odla | abrotman, being a nation within a nation |
| 16:49.02 | abrotman | so i heard |
| 16:49.04 | odla | abrotman, moaning |
| 16:49.12 | magdalene | nothing but poutine |
| 16:49.17 | odla | magdalene, ha ha |
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| 16:49.40 | MaxiMumEle | poutine is the best meal you can eat |
| 16:49.53 | abrotman | in the whole world ? |
| 16:49.54 | dvs | MaxiMumEle: if I want a heart attack |
| 16:50.00 | odla | poutine is a meal? |
| 16:50.04 | abrotman | dvs: cheesesteak! |
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| 16:50.14 | magdalene | only if you ad a beer to it |
| 16:50.15 | abrotman | !tell testuser about root |
| 16:50.21 | dvs | abrotman: Cheesesteak ain't got nothing on Poutine. |
| 16:50.31 | abrotman | it's the same stuff! |
| 16:50.32 | odla | what's a dirty poutine? is that like a dirty putin? |
| 16:50.47 | dvs | abrotman: at least beef is kinda healthy |
| 16:50.47 | MaxiMumEle | odla yes, frenchfries + cheeze + sauce |
| 16:50.55 | magdalene | how can you tell an american from a canuk |
| 16:50.56 | abrotman | cheese .. beef-ish stuff ... starch |
| 16:50.59 | odla | MaxiMumEle, but doesn't putin = whore? |
| 16:51.08 | MaxiMumEle | lol no |
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| 16:51.28 | MaxiMumEle | poutine means "pissing meal" |
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| 16:51.33 | MaxiMumEle | because that taste piss |
| 16:51.34 | blondie | MaxiMumEle: parlez vous anglais? |
| 16:51.40 | liran_ | whats a good use with a usb disk-on-key? :) |
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| 16:51.48 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 16:51.48 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 16:51.52 | odla | liran_, data storage |
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| 16:52.05 | liran_ | odla: lol, obviously, other than that though... |
| 16:52.07 | blondie | abrotman: does etch netinstall work atm? |
| 16:52.13 | jlouis | guys, what is the correct place to place a setting to /sys/* such that it gets read upon boot in a Debian system? |
| 16:52.17 | magdalene | ask them for poutine, beer, t;ouque and to show you their ginche |
| 16:52.21 | abrotman | blondie: afaik |
| 16:52.24 | magdalene | and if you get hit |
| 16:52.30 | abrotman | sysctl.conf i think |
| 16:52.31 | magdalene | the person is canadian |
| 16:52.32 | blondie | abrotman: not broken like it was? |
| 16:52.40 | jlouis | I can do it via echo foo > /sys/.../bar, but how do I get this done the Debian-way upon boot? |
| 16:52.42 | Gnea | jlouis: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 16:52.57 | odla | magdalene, or ask them to pronounce 'regina' |
| 16:52.57 | abrotman | blondie: not like before RC1 .. not that i'm aware |
| 16:53.06 | Gnea | jlouis: mucking with /sys/ directly is probably not a good idea - better to talk to the kernel |
| 16:53.16 | magdalene | heh |
| 16:53.29 | jlouis | Gnea, I got the impression from the man-page that /etc/sysctl.conf is only for /proc/sys stuff |
| 16:53.30 | magdalene | show me your ginche |
| 16:53.35 | odla | we're just much more prudent and polite in the USA ;) |
| 16:53.38 | magdalene | works much better |
| 16:54.11 | dli | how a canuck pronounce " happiness"? |
| 16:54.14 | Gnea | jlouis: oh it should translate... what exactly do you need modify /sys directly for? |
| 16:54.15 | MaxiMumEle | odla except usa are killer and they only want war |
| 16:54.23 | jlouis | Gnea, IO Schedulers |
| 16:54.37 | odla | MaxiMumEle, are you a communist? |
| 16:54.40 | Gnea | jlouis: ??? just set one in the kernel config |
| 16:54.40 | magdalene | now now |
| 16:54.45 | magdalene | no fighting |
| 16:54.52 | odla | magdalene, :D |
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| 16:55.04 | abrotman | #politics please |
| 16:55.11 | Gnea | it's beer o'clock! |
| 16:55.23 | jlouis | Gnea, you've got me confused now. Kernel-config as in rebuild your own kernel or as in kernel boot parameter? |
| 16:55.33 | Gnea | jlouis: either or |
| 16:55.40 | jlouis | Gnea, gotcha ;) |
| 16:55.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:55.46 | jlouis | thanks |
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| 16:58.18 | xingu | Gnea: or "elevator=..." boot parameter |
| 16:58.39 | xingu | s/Gnea/jlouis/ |
| 16:58.56 | magdalene | for the uneducated poutine:= fries and gravy and cheese curds, and im being uncanadian here by telling you this: ginche = underwear and touque = knitted cap |
| 16:59.28 | magdalene | i may lose my secret kanuk badge or citisenship over that |
| 16:59.57 | magdalene | heh |
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| 17:00.10 | magdalene | never liked hockey anyway |
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| 17:00.23 | xingu | sacre bleu |
| 17:00.40 | magdalene | dad drank too many red eyes in front of the tv watching it |
| 17:00.49 | abrotman | !POUTINE |
| 17:00.49 | dpkg | http://www.xavinho.online.fr/travels/america/montreal/poutine.jpg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poutine |
| 17:00.59 | odla | anyone know if there is a way to make xchat open a new tab in epiphany rather then a new instance of epiphany when i click a link? |
| 17:01.10 | Gnea | i lived up north for years and never once heard of poutine until a few months ago |
| 17:01.18 | abrotman | odla: probably in the man page for epiphany no ? |
| 17:01.30 | odla | abrotman, who reads that shit? |
| 17:01.38 | Gnea | lol |
| 17:01.38 | abrotman | you are now |
| 17:02.01 | magdalene | gnea unless you lived back east or in a navy town you wouldnt its a french canuk thng |
| 17:02.09 | abrotman | back east? |
| 17:02.14 | abrotman | there's no poutine here |
| 17:02.17 | magdalene | er out east |
| 17:02.28 | abrotman | still no poutine here |
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| 17:02.39 | Gnea | well, new york's right next to quebec |
| 17:02.55 | magdalene | are you canuk? |
| 17:02.58 | philipp__ | nabend |
| 17:03.00 | Gnea | fuck no |
| 17:03.02 | magdalene | well there you go |
| 17:03.03 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:03.05 | abrotman | i wouldn't admit it if i were :) |
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| 17:03.54 | Gnea | i think my keyboard finally bit it |
| 17:04.06 | odla | hrm...xchat is being stubborn |
| 17:04.07 | Gnea | i should probably clean it out first just to be sure |
| 17:04.10 | magdalene | odla how are the cows in edmonton' |
| 17:04.13 | dooglus | odla: epiphany --new-tab [url] |
| 17:04.18 | ericP | i wonder if being from rural maine gets me honorary canuk status |
| 17:04.27 | magdalene | almost' |
| 17:04.42 | magdalene | gets you graveyaaad shift points tho |
| 17:04.56 | abrotman | ericP: no |
| 17:05.09 | magdalene | ''i had to go to edmonton to do photoshoots for my job once.. |
| 17:05.10 | abrotman | ericP: do you know how to use a blueberry rake ? |
| 17:05.16 | ericP | oh yes |
| 17:05.25 | ericP | and a clam hoe |
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| 17:05.27 | abrotman | then you're not a hick .. you're a rich hick :) |
| 17:05.42 | ericP | i certainly am now |
| 17:05.47 | ericP | well, by my standards |
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| 17:05.57 | abrotman | where is "rural" ? |
| 17:06.10 | odla | magdalene, edmonton doesn't have many cows...do you mean calgary? all we have are oil refineries |
| 17:06.20 | magdalene | very hickville |
| 17:06.21 | odla | fort mcmurray ownz |
| 17:06.31 | Gnea | anyplace where there's more than 20 feet between neighboring houses :) |
| 17:06.32 | ericP | "rural" is just this side of "east bum fuck" |
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| 17:06.46 | magdalene | even the radiostations have cows |
| 17:06.51 | odla | ericP, where in maine? |
| 17:06.53 | abrotman | ericP: past augusta? out towards eastport? bangor? paris ? |
| 17:07.01 | Gnea | sometimes 50 or 100, depending where |
| 17:07.12 | odla | abrotman, probably like saco ... |
| 17:07.41 | odla | ericP, jackman? greenville? |
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| 17:07.43 | MaxiMumEle | abrotman is there a french politics channel |
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| 17:07.50 | abrotman | MaxiMumEle: ask #politics |
| 17:08.07 | abrotman | but noone really cares what the quebecois think |
| 17:08.14 | odla | he he |
| 17:08.18 | MaxiMumEle | lol |
| 17:08.28 | odla | it's funny cause it's true |
| 17:08.36 | MaxiMumEle | abrotman why ? |
| 17:08.37 | ericP | ellsworth, winter harbor, island in frenchman's bay, camden, waldoborough, addison, goulsborough, E sullivan, bangor, waterville, N sullivan, rockland, rockport, ... |
| 17:08.43 | Gnea | magdalene: ick |
| 17:08.44 | ericP | 'ts all i remember off the top of my head |
| 17:08.48 | abrotman | ericP: you can't be from all those places! |
| 17:08.58 | odla | ericP, are you from massachusetts! |
| 17:08.58 | magdalene | eric yer rich |
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| 17:09.04 | abrotman | and it's waldoboro |
| 17:09.09 | magdalene | nah is nice |
| 17:09.09 | ericP | yeah, that. |
| 17:09.15 | Gnea | odla: he'd be a masshole then |
| 17:09.24 | odla | Gnea, and a fuckhead |
| 17:09.28 | Gnea | lol |
| 17:09.29 | odla | oops |
| 17:09.39 | magdalene | gnea victoria |
| 17:09.41 | abrotman | ericP: and those are far from rural |
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| 17:09.54 | ericP | abrotman, hmm, fair point |
| 17:09.57 | abrotman | my mom lived between camden and belfast .. and i spent a lot of time running around maine |
| 17:10.01 | Gnea | magdalene: nice. i live in a desert |
| 17:10.13 | ericP | abrotman, oh right, also lived in northport for a bit |
| 17:10.14 | abrotman | which island in frenchman's bay ? |
| 17:10.21 | ericP | mark island |
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| 17:10.23 | odla | abrotman, did you ever come through hallowell? |
| 17:10.28 | abrotman | not that i recall |
| 17:10.33 | abrotman | but i do know mark island |
| 17:10.33 | magdalene | gnea in cc |
| 17:10.36 | Smerdyakov | In what file would I find custom commands set to run whenever a user logs in? |
| 17:10.39 | ericP | of old-hallowell-day fame |
| 17:10.53 | magdalene | in canada rather\ |
| 17:10.58 | odla | old hallowell day...blah...every day is old hallowell day at the wharf! |
| 17:11.11 | odla | i went to hall-dale ...hallowell-farmingdale for high school |
| 17:11.21 | abrotman | my dad used to keep his boat in northeast harbor |
| 17:11.23 | Gnea | magdalene: no, next to mexico |
| 17:11.42 | magdalene | ah tucson |
| 17:11.45 | abrotman | and also for a time in camden .. til Hurricane Bob made the boat into a commercial :) |
| 17:11.49 | odla | abrotman, if you ever make it to hallowell go to this bar called the wharf...and you'll see how i've spent many an evening...it's a huge hole |
| 17:12.00 | abrotman | odla: like the rest of maine! |
| 17:12.05 | Gnea | close |
| 17:12.09 | odla | abrotman, it's flooded ever year by the kennebec |
| 17:12.14 | odla | abrotman, blah..you like in philly |
| 17:12.15 | abchirk | abrotman did you highlighted some minutes / hours agO? |
| 17:12.17 | odla | live |
| 17:12.27 | abrotman | abchirk: i gave you beer :) |
| 17:12.32 | abchirk | ah well thx ;) |
| 17:12.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:12.45 | abrotman | odla: i like maine in the summer |
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| 17:13.03 | abrotman | ban evader! |
| 17:13.18 | ericP | mince! installing rc1, i see the UI stuck at 5% and the error console says "Do you wnat to ignore this warning and proceed anyway (yes/no)?" |
| 17:13.38 | abrotman | say yes? :) |
| 17:13.38 | Gnea | abrotman: he was in here before asking offtopic questions.... like where everyone's from |
| 17:13.49 | ericP | i'd like to type "yes", but don't have any conn to whatever's waiting on stdin |
| 17:13.49 | abrotman | Gnea: he's been banned under his real nick |
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| 17:14.29 | odla | Gnea, not that asl AOL shit too i hope |
| 17:14.31 | Gnea | abrotman: now that you mention it, i recognize him now... the guy is a total douche bag! he's gone psycho and is plotting to tour the country to kill us in our sleep! |
| 17:14.42 | Smerdyakov | No one knows where custom commands to be run on any log-in must be set? |
| 17:14.56 | xingu | Gnea: better dispatch a runner up north and tell them to marshall the super cows |
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| 17:15.03 | abrotman | Gnea: perhaps |
| 17:15.14 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: systemwide ? |
| 17:15.19 | Gnea | abrotman: i wish i had a log... |
| 17:15.33 | abrotman | Gnea: /mode #debian +b .. /lastlog Skare |
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| 17:15.41 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, yes |
| 17:15.46 | abrotman | /etc/profile |
| 17:15.50 | Gnea | abrotman: i had to logout :( |
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| 17:15.57 | abrotman | Gnea: it's still in the list of bans |
| 17:16.39 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, hm, I don't see what I'm looking for there. This machine has been configured to authenticate for AFS access on each log-in, and I don't know where to find the commands it's using to do that. |
| 17:16.43 | Gnea | ::: 295 - #debian: ban %*!*@unaffiliated/skarecrow [by sagan.freenode.net, 40073 secs ago] |
| 17:16.49 | abrotman | yes |
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| 17:17.03 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: do you know the commands ? |
| 17:17.07 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, no |
| 17:17.21 | Gnea | abrotman: well, all i know is that he's in washington state right now |
| 17:17.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:17.34 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: then how willl you know if you found it ? |
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| 17:18.07 | Smerdyakov | abrotman, a vague idea of what is associated with AFS |
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| 17:19.12 | ericP | anyone wanna help me debug this rc1 inst prob? (waiting on some orphaned stdin) |
| 17:19.13 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: grep -iR <somethingyouwant> /etc/ |
| 17:19.13 | magdalene | kinda like the guy who was hitting on me eariera? |
| 17:19.13 | abrotman | Smerdyakov: grep -iR <somethingyouwant> /etc/* |
| 17:19.14 | Gnea | abrotman: but anyone that gets all pissed off and starts yelling at people, ban evades, then comes back to ask where people are from is a class A psychopathic |
| 17:19.14 | Gnea | magdalene: eh? |
| 17:19.18 | abrotman | Gnea: he is |
| 17:19.27 | magdalene | or not |
| 17:19.53 | pickcoder | is it sunday already? |
| 17:19.55 | Gnea | abrotman: no problem |
| 17:20.02 | pickcoder | or did I miss something |
| 17:20.07 | dooglus | pickcoder: it is in some places |
| 17:20.14 | magdalene | oh just some guy idling in channel woke up as soon as he saw i was female and started msging me asl |
| 17:20.24 | pickcoder | dooglus: comments based on 'sunday traffic' |
| 17:20.39 | Gnea | magdalene: only one guy? impressive. |
| 17:20.48 | magdalene | lol |
| 17:21.07 | pickcoder | magdalene: use a male nick and that will solve the problem |
| 17:21.07 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:21.07 | dooglus | pickcoder: in Perth, Australia it's 2:20am Sunday |
| 17:21.07 | xingu | Gnea: "guy" |
| 17:21.14 | Gnea | xingu: people typo all the time |
| 17:21.19 | xingu | Gnea: it's probably a donkey that can type |
| 17:21.20 | bigwig | bye |
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| 17:21.37 | Gnea | with big droopy ears |
| 17:22.03 | Gnea | and a nutsac halfway down his legs |
| 17:22.14 | magdalene | i like my nick |
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| 17:22.26 | magdalene | ive had it a long time |
| 17:22.27 | Gnea | i like it too |
| 17:22.33 | Gnea | so there |
| 17:22.37 | magdalene | heh |
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| 17:23.38 | Gnea | so this guy was in here the other day asking for help and i was trying to troubleshoot his problem and he wouldn't divulge any info |
| 17:23.54 | xingu | on #debian? I never |
| 17:23.59 | Gnea | then he's all "i just made $1100 in 7 hours! do you know who i am?!" |
| 17:24.15 | bronze_|| | he must work for the gov't |
| 17:24.20 | pickcoder | a crook? |
| 17:24.21 | Gnea | "no and i sure as hell don't give a flying fuck who you are" |
| 17:24.25 | Gnea | :) |
| 17:24.28 | xingu | "a liar" |
| 17:24.39 | TGPO | trust me govt doesnt pay that well |
| 17:24.48 | Gnea | i remember this: "shut the fuck up or listen" |
| 17:24.52 | bronze_|| | TGPO, it does if you're a consultant. |
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| 17:25.04 | magdalene | petertherooney might have a log of it |
| 17:25.12 | TGPO | bronze_||, point taken |
| 17:25.15 | Gnea | talk about double-negativing oneself into oblivion |
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| 17:25.59 | magdalene | what time of night was it |
| 17:26.05 | xingu | then again, I'd take an informed guess that consultants taking that kind of hourly rate pork probably don't feel the need to share, here anyway. |
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| 17:26.25 | Gnea | i currently hold no concept of time of day. all i know is that it was in the past, within the past week. |
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| 17:26.35 | pickcoder | xingu: they also don't need help from an IRC channel |
| 17:26.53 | magdalene | do you need a log |
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| 17:27.06 | Gnea | it would be nice |
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| 17:27.19 | bronze_|| | xingu: sure they don't need to "share", they need to know what to do. Never assume a high billing rate means real knowledge. It most often means "connections" |
| 17:27.36 | magdalene | when i talk to him next ill see what he has, he sometimes idles |
| 17:27.43 | xingu | share, as in chew the fat about their billing rates. |
| 17:27.43 | Gnea | !beer liable |
| 17:27.58 | Gnea | !beer magdalene |
| 17:28.19 | magdalene | u |
| 17:28.23 | magdalene | yummy |
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| 17:28.46 | xingu | I'd say that there's at least one user on channel who actually does bill those sorts of rates, but I'd also say that they'd be keeping mum about it. |
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| 17:29.11 | xingu | they might even do spook work on contract ;) |
| 17:29.16 | bronze_|| | Gnea: are you sure it happened in this channel? |
| 17:29.23 | pickcoder | 157/hour isn't that much, if you're in a specialized market |
| 17:29.32 | pickcoder | I know pick consultants that charge over 250/hour |
| 17:29.40 | omar | Hello |
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| 17:30.02 | pickcoder | they normally cut the rate, when negotiating though |
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| 17:30.19 | omar | Can you help me pls, I cant get the "at sign" I have a sarge , it's like the Alt-Gr botton doesn't work at all |
| 17:30.20 | pickcoder | no intelligent company will pay that kind of cash for uncertainty |
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| 17:30.39 | xingu | pickcoder: hungry jacks did. :) |
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| 17:30.48 | pickcoder | heh |
| 17:31.28 | Smerdyakov | Does anyone know how to request multiple different Kerberos tickets with kinit or some related program? |
| 17:31.31 | xingu | pickcoder: dunno if you've ever seen their order management stuff cca early 90's but that was vile, even for pick. |
| 17:32.05 | pickcoder | xingu: do you know which firm designed it? |
| 17:32.23 | speedy | i've tried to install latest build of debian etch without success, getting installer errors.. |
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| 17:32.37 | xingu | pickcoder: nope, but I do know it was botched by a variety of helping hands afterward |
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| 17:33.22 | pickcoder | That sounds like the way a lot of larger companies end up. They won't hire a staff, so the n-tier stacking of consultants begins |
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| 17:33.53 | abrotman | ban evader! |
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| 17:34.50 | xingu | pickcoder: last I saw, it was still rebooting the system every 24h from pick to dos, using an msdos keyboard interrupt handler stuffer to uucp the day's data back to hq, then reset the active partition back to pick, and c-a-del |
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| 17:35.15 | xingu | pickcoder: rooooopey. :) |
| 17:35.17 | pickcoder | xingu: sounds like they need to upgrade |
| 17:35.17 | ericP | it appears that rc1 downloaded the wrong key files |
| 17:35.31 | pickcoder | AP/DOS hasn't been supported for many years |
| 17:35.40 | xingu | pickcoder: that was about '96-97ish |
| 17:35.42 | abrotman | ericP: there's been a new key added since |
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| 17:36.10 | pickcoder | xingu: I started in Pick in 96 and my first box was AP/Pro |
| 17:36.14 | ericP | abrotman, aha!. quick work-around for me to grab it and put in on my chroot'd install? |
| 17:36.30 | pickcoder | I also had AP/SCO but never installed it |
| 17:36.40 | abrotman | ericP: none afaik .. just tell it to ignore it . or install all off the CD |
| 17:36.45 | ericP | i think rc1 needs a rebuild then. noone but the very determined will solve this prob |
| 17:36.51 | pickcoder | now I'm glad I didn't |
| 17:36.58 | xingu | pickcoder: I think dominos were using ap/sco |
| 17:37.15 | ericP | abrotman, no opt to just ignore it when using tasksel (don't have access to stdin) |
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| 17:37.18 | pickcoder | Advance Auto was running AP until a couple years ago |
| 17:37.28 | omar | Can you help me pls, I cant get the "at sign" I have a sarge , it's like the Alt-Gr botton doesn't work at all |
| 17:37.29 | abrotman | don't use tasksel |
| 17:37.39 | ericP | funny, after everyone was telling me to use the rc1 netinstall |
| 17:37.40 | pickcoder | now they're on some kind of w2K crap that locks up and crashes reguarly |
| 17:38.01 | ericP | abrotman, hard to do a fresh install without tasksel, but perhaps i can work around this |
| 17:38.09 | pickcoder | I waited in line Thursday to buy wiper blades for 10 minutes.. the desktop would restart |
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| 17:38.15 | abrotman | ericP: no it's not .. just skip it |
| 17:38.16 | pickcoder | wouldn't |
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| 17:38.28 | pickcoder | the need to be running Debian |
| 17:38.32 | pickcoder | with X over ssh |
| 17:38.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: your opinion: http://gnu.ethz.ch/cd/gnustep.png |
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| 17:39.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: explain the killer whale thing again ? |
| 17:39.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's just a logo |
| 17:39.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: why is the "compact disc" thing on there? |
| 17:39.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: because it's a compact disc? |
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| 17:40.11 | xingu | tarzeau: it's willy, and he wants to be freed |
| 17:40.12 | abrotman | you're putting that on yoyur label ? |
| 17:40.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: not a bad label |
| 17:40.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's for the livecd.gnustep.org cd |
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| 17:40.39 | tarzeau | xingu: it is free already |
| 17:40.40 | abrotman | i know what it's for |
| 17:40.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: for murdering silly penguins |
| 17:41.03 | tarzeau | i just puked almost again, by having to use this ubuntu crap |
| 17:41.14 | abrotman | tarzeau: which kernel does your CD use ? |
| 17:41.28 | pickcoder | tarzeau: are those going to be pressed and silk-screened? |
| 17:41.34 | tarzeau | no emacs, no zile, terminal very well hidden (fugly gnome terminal) and their cd print label is ugly as well |
| 17:41.53 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i can create single pieces of them. if someone provides money, they can also be pressed |
| 17:42.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: which kernel ? |
| 17:42.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: 2.6.18.1, but it can be easilz upgraded |
| 17:42.15 | xingu | I do hope you're talking about cd's and not penguins |
| 17:42.16 | xingu | I don't think I really want a pressed penguin |
| 17:42.16 | pickcoder | I was just asking b/c 2-color is much cheaper than 3 |
| 17:42.18 | abrotman | so why would you be "killing penguins" .. you're using hte linux kernel |
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| 17:42.57 | pickcoder | abrotman: the smart penguins don't get eaten |
| 17:43.00 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i get one such cd for about 4 euro, burned+printed |
| 17:43.29 | pickcoder | 3-color for 4e? |
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| 17:43.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: it could be any kernel, the special thing is the graphic software, namely GNUstep |
| 17:43.43 | tarzeau | pickcoder: yes |
| 17:44.00 | abrotman | tarzeau: why not on the HURD ? |
| 17:44.10 | abrotman | then the whole thing will be a wreck :) |
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| 17:44.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: because it's not ready yet, but believe me, i'm looking forward to do exactly that |
| 17:44.27 | abrotman | l4! |
| 17:44.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: tests with gnu/kfreebsd were succesfull |
| 17:44.55 | xingu | tarzeau: preburn it set to act as a 4to6 gateway and connect to one of the tunnel brokers. :) |
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| 17:45.28 | RichiH | hmm |
| 17:45.43 | RichiH | _if_ i were to change the name of a mailman list, what would happen? |
| 17:45.48 | tarzeau | pickcoder: do you know where to produce glassmasters/pressed cds cheap? |
| 17:45.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: get a real kernel! |
| 17:46.27 | abrotman | RichiH: uhm .. isn't that regiestered in about a bazillion places ? |
| 17:46.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: like, which? |
| 17:46.58 | lyakh | how can I save password in thunderbird under sarge? there's no checkbox for "remember password". Don't know if it's a bug in Debian / thunderbird / gnome / ... |
| 17:47.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What's the name of the next Debian release (once Etch is released, what will be testing's name?) |
| 17:47.01 | pickcoder | tarzeau: I haven't looked recently, but we got costs for mass-producing business CD catalogs |
| 17:47.12 | pickcoder | you're going ot need a full-size CD, though |
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| 17:47.28 | abrotman | Lenny |
| 17:47.41 | pickcoder | tarzeau: if you can get another job to go with it, you can cut the cost. Even if the artwork is different. |
| 17:47.46 | lyakh | tried removing .gnome*, .mozilla*,... |
| 17:47.49 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i've got a full size CD? like 12x12 cm, at 300 dpi, is 1400x1400 pixels, adn the cd is 650mb |
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| 17:48.08 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i just don't have any extra money, and nobody sponsors some bucks to gnustep |
| 17:48.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: pistachio! |
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| 17:48.27 | tarzeau | pickcoder: there's about 1000 $ int eh gnu gnustep pot. and gnustep will be at FOSDEM |
| 17:48.30 | fons | hi all |
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| 17:48.53 | yang | I would like to do the backup of my tapes from a digital camcorder hi-8, which software should i use for that? |
| 17:48.55 | RichiH | abrotman: no idea :) |
| 17:49.01 | pickcoder | tarzeau: how many do you need |
| 17:49.10 | RichiH | abrotman: or you mean the name itself? no |
| 17:49.16 | abrotman | RichiH: i mean .. it's in your aliases .. and all those binary files mailman uses stuff with |
| 17:49.25 | tarzeau | pickcoder: what's the minimum for a good price? |
| 17:49.33 | tarzeau | pickcoder: is that in germany? |
| 17:49.42 | RichiH | abrotman: that is what i mean.. would it cascade? |
| 17:49.43 | fons | How are iptables managed in debian so that they can be saved and reloaded when the system shuts down/starts? |
| 17:49.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: you think this one is better? http://gnu.ethz.ch/cd/gnustep-seasky.png |
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| 17:49.59 | pickcoder | I'm looking at mixonic and they have full color CDs for $1.78usd->100 |
| 17:50.07 | fons | there used to be a script in /etc/init.d but it's not insalled anymore by the iptables package |
| 17:50.12 | pickcoder | $1.38usd->500 |
| 17:50.12 | tarzeau | pickcoder: pressed? |
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| 17:50.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: the only difference is that one has half the CD a darker blue |
| 17:50.34 | pickcoder | trying to determine that |
| 17:50.46 | abrotman | fons: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* .. read them |
| 17:50.57 | tarzeau | pickcoder: can they also print cd caddies with this? http://gnu.ethz.ch/mirror/gnustepcd.png |
| 17:51.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes like sky and sea |
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| 17:51.27 | pickcoder | yes.. most pressing companies can do inserts |
| 17:51.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe try something totally different :) |
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| 17:52.06 | pickcoder | 100 2-panel (one side) insert is 40cents |
| 17:52.09 | fons | abrotman, I cannot find any debian specific info |
| 17:52.22 | abrotman | you read them all ? |
| 17:52.36 | drcode | hi all |
| 17:52.46 | drcode | I need help with modem callback |
| 17:52.48 | drcode | any one here? |
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| 17:53.02 | fons | abrotman, there are only two howtos |
| 17:53.17 | drcode | I try to setup linux callback client |
| 17:53.18 | fons | which are distribution independent |
| 17:53.22 | abrotman | no examples folder ? |
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| 17:53.35 | drcode | it seems that my modem dosnt answer to the RING |
| 17:53.35 | fons | abrotman, no |
| 17:53.44 | drcode | I see the RINg on message |
| 17:53.52 | fons | the changelog says the file was removed |
| 17:54.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah maybe, i'd really love something like those s-f posters on http://gnu.ethz.ch/art/ |
| 17:54.45 | Gnea | drcode: it's been years since i ran a bbs.... you have to tell it the proper AT command |
| 17:54.45 | pickcoder | tarzeau: here's one place that shows their pressing machines.. the deluxe pkg = 3-color, jewel box, assembly, and shrink wrap with 4-color 4-panel inserts and 4 color tray inserts |
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| 17:55.00 | pickcoder | 500 -> $2.12usd |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: using the orca ? |
| 17:55.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes, or some woman |
| 17:55.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: but the best would be cd cover in form of LSD blotters, with the lsd on it |
| 17:55.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: THAT would be the best |
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| 17:55.42 | odla | tarzeau, ha ha |
| 17:55.47 | tarzeau | GNUSTEP TRIPS |
| 17:55.59 | pickcoder | just a 3-color printed CD in a case: 500 -> $1.38usd |
| 17:56.18 | pickcoder | oh.. that's not in a case.. they're bulk shrink wrapped in a stack |
| 17:56.18 | tarzeau | pickcoder: that's really good, if i ever have the money, i'll contact you for sure |
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| 17:56.40 | Gnea | drcode: keep it here please |
| 17:56.56 | xingu | heh, acid sheet art would make great wedding stationary |
| 17:57.14 | fons | Anyone using iptables with debian sid? |
| 17:57.18 | drcode | k |
| 17:57.22 | tarzeau | that's the first thing i remove |
| 17:57.23 | blondie | !anyone |
| 17:57.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:57.30 | tarzeau | iptables, hehe |
| 17:57.30 | drcode | my script do call and put callback use |
| 17:57.32 | drcode | user |
| 17:57.36 | tarzeau | you want to read harden-doc |
| 17:57.46 | drcode | but why it dosnt know about RING? |
| 17:58.19 | drcode | I setup RING AT&C1A |
| 17:58.29 | Gnea | hrm |
| 17:58.35 | pickcoder | tarzeau: that's per disc... |
| 17:58.41 | drcode | if I open minicom and do ata |
| 17:58.43 | drcode | it work |
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| 17:58.51 | ericP | i just installed rc1 (after forcing grub and abandoning tasksel) so i have a minimal system |
| 17:58.52 | Gnea | drcode: try AT&S=1 |
| 17:59.07 | drcode | wherer |
| 17:59.12 | drcode | after ring? |
| 17:59.26 | abrotman | ericP: yay! |
| 17:59.27 | ericP | i get the error BADSIG 010908..... so i tried to $(gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 010908312D230C5F; gpg -a --export 2D230C5F | apt-key add -) |
| 17:59.39 | abrotman | ericP: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 17:59.51 | abrotman | then run apt-get update again |
| 17:59.52 | ericP | abrotman, it apparently doesn't have this new key |
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| 18:00.01 | abrotman | just ignore the message for now |
| 18:00.14 | drcode | or after ATZ |
| 18:00.30 | ericP | abrotman, i'm itching to use tasksel to get myself a reasonable sys. any idea when the new pkg will come out? |
| 18:00.46 | pickcoder | drcode: what make/model modem |
| 18:01.01 | Bladerunner05 | hi all sir I have a list of hundred of accounts to be created on my debian system, the file is in this format account;password;address there is a script or a way to automatically create this for me ? |
| 18:01.02 | abrotman | ericP: don't use tasksel :) |
| 18:01.04 | drcode | where? |
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| 18:01.08 | drcode | in chat script? |
| 18:01.17 | abrotman | ericP: try aptitude |
| 18:01.18 | drcode | I use modem |
| 18:01.21 | drcode | yes |
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| 18:01.24 | ericP | abrotman, my sys has no X, no dev, no ... . do you propose i try and piecemeal the sys together? |
| 18:01.40 | abrotman | ericP: which WM do you use ? |
| 18:01.41 | ericP | will be hard for me to remember enough stuff |
| 18:01.42 | tarzeau | Bladerunner05: sure |
| 18:01.50 | tarzeau | Bladerunner05: mkpasswd is your friend |
| 18:02.01 | pickcoder | drcode: what make and model is your modem |
| 18:02.08 | drcode | Gnea: after ATZ |
| 18:02.10 | blondie | it's a "yes" modem |
| 18:02.12 | ericP | abrotman, am flexible on WM. using kwin on this box |
| 18:02.14 | abrotman | ericP: gnome? kde? |
| 18:02.16 | drcode | Gnea: or after ring? |
| 18:02.19 | abrotman | ericP: just pick one :) |
| 18:02.21 | pickcoder | blondie: <g> |
| 18:02.32 | pickcoder | blondie: does it perform live anymore? |
| 18:02.40 | blondie | no |
| 18:02.46 | blondie | unless you pay |
| 18:02.47 | blondie | lots |
| 18:02.50 | Bladerunner05 | <tarzeau>: it seems to a be a command to make a password only |
| 18:02.55 | Gnea | drcode: before ring |
| 18:02.57 | abrotman | ericP: aptitude install xorg kde kdm ... or whatever you want |
| 18:02.59 | tarzeau | Bladerunner05: a password hash, yes |
| 18:03.03 | tarzeau | Bladerunner05: the rest will be awk |
| 18:03.04 | drcode | k |
| 18:03.11 | drcode | I will try and update |
| 18:03.12 | drcode | thenx |
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| 18:03.23 | tarzeau | Bladerunner05: i'd create the accounts first, then set the passwords with passwd on the accounts |
| 18:03.28 | drcode | I will be back soon , hope from internet |
| 18:03.29 | drcode | bye |
| 18:03.34 | blondie | ... |
| 18:03.38 | blondie | wasn't he already on the internet? |
| 18:03.41 | pickcoder | Gnea: how do you know that S-register zero is the ring count? |
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| 18:04.35 | Gnea | pickcoder: i'm just guessing right now |
| 18:04.52 | Bladerunner05 | <tarzeau>: please show me an example I have username mario, password rossi and email address mario.rossi@email.it how do I use mkpasswd ? |
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| 18:05.15 | ericP | abrotman, trying it. also have this tempting kde-binary-CD-1.iso i could inst |
| 18:05.17 | Gnea | drcif that doesn't work, try AT&S1=1 |
| 18:05.25 | pickcoder | blondie: the problem was ring, not dialing |
| 18:05.29 | Gnea | oops |
| 18:05.34 | tarzeau | Bladerunner05: man useradd, man passwd |
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| 18:07.19 | pickcoder | yay.. cable is back on |
| 18:07.32 | pickcoder | it's extremely snowy though |
| 18:07.39 | tarzeau | pickcoder: what height? |
| 18:07.42 | blondie | I thought cable signals were digital |
| 18:07.50 | pickcoder | gah.. it just went back off |
| 18:07.52 | tarzeau | ah the picture is snowy |
| 18:08.01 | blondie | and thus you couldn't get "snow" |
| 18:08.28 | pickcoder | blondie: cable is cable.. the digital channels just share the same VHF pipe |
| 18:08.47 | pickcoder | same as cable broadband |
| 18:09.03 | blondie | but |
| 18:09.11 | pickcoder | tarzeau: I haven't seen snow in like 10 years |
| 18:09.19 | blondie | the channels are all digital, so you can't get snow |
| 18:09.22 | tarzeau | pickcoder: you're where? at the sea? |
| 18:09.27 | blondie | unless it's between the decoder box and the TV |
| 18:09.37 | pickcoder | blondie: not true if the source signal is messed up |
| 18:09.43 | blondie | well there's that |
| 18:09.49 | pickcoder | blondie: there are junction boxes and repeaters |
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| 18:10.04 | pickcoder | tarzeau: coastal NC, US |
| 18:10.29 | cyzie | hello, is there a way to convert flv file to avi/mpg ? |
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| 18:10.29 | blondie | yes, but the signal is digital from the TV company to your TV/cable box |
| 18:10.36 | blondie | unless you do weird things there |
| 18:10.37 | pickcoder | blondie: yes |
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| 18:11.44 | TGPO | cyzie I think lives can help you |
| 18:12.04 | cyzie | lives? |
| 18:12.08 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.34 | cyzie | lives? TGPO |
| 18:12.40 | pickcoder | magdalene: the different is pixelation instead of snow |
| 18:12.42 | Gnea | even worse when the rain freezes |
| 18:12.42 | TGPO | cyzie, yup apt-cache tells me it is available at debian-multimedia |
| 18:12.43 | pickcoder | difference |
| 18:12.54 | cyzie | mmm |
| 18:12.57 | pickcoder | the channel I'm watching is under the digital range |
| 18:13.02 | pickcoder | so it's not a digital channel |
| 18:13.05 | pickcoder | thus, snow |
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| 18:13.10 | quad3d | is there anything that could prevent a normal user account to run crontab? like in /etc/security/* settings? |
| 18:13.12 | cyzie | TGPO, is there any URL ? |
| 18:13.26 | TGPO | cyzie www.debian-mulitmedia.org |
| 18:13.26 | quad3d | i have a dummy user setup to run crontab and it doesn't seem to be working |
| 18:13.30 | xingu | snow? I'm more a chaka demus 'n' pliers kinda guy |
| 18:13.45 | Gnea | quad3d: what timing settings did you give it? |
| 18:14.07 | xingu | quad3d: cron.{allow,deny} |
| 18:14.32 | magdalene | -/me curls up back to sleep under the #debian_fern on the mat by the #debian_fireplace |
| 18:14.48 | magdalene | rather |
| 18:14.50 | quad3d | 46 14 * * * /usr/local/bin/fitcapital-archiver >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 18:15.06 | quad3d | i originally had it set up 58 23 * * * |
| 18:15.23 | quad3d | /usr/local/bin/fitcapital-archiver is chowned by user |
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| 18:15.46 | blondie | magdalene: how strange |
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| 18:16.06 | quad3d | w/ permission 755 |
| 18:16.08 | Gnea | quad3d: so at 2:46pm it runs daily? |
| 18:16.12 | quad3d | yes |
| 18:16.29 | Gnea | are you sure it's not running? |
| 18:17.00 | quad3d | it's a simple script that dump mysql table and /home/fitcapital and tar bzip both up |
| 18:17.08 | quad3d | when i run the script on command line it works perfect |
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| 18:17.30 | Gnea | quad3d: do you have the script making some sort of log when it's being run? |
| 18:17.43 | quad3d | used -x switch and doesn't seems to post any abnormalities |
| 18:17.56 | quad3d | Gnea, how do i do logging in scripting? do you have a site? |
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| 18:18.11 | Gnea | quad3d: just use the logger command inside the script |
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| 18:18.44 | quad3d | alright, i'll try that. thanks |
| 18:18.48 | Gnea | logger "starting up..." <code> logger "finishing..." |
| 18:19.16 | Gnea | yeah, that should do it |
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| 18:19.30 | Gnea | wow, i almost forgot about that sleep thing |
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| 18:20.27 | robin__sz | hmmmm .... I didn't reallise they had voip phones in 1972 |
| 18:20.34 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know of a link on the debian.org that shows a list of hardware it supports for each distro |
| 18:20.58 | Gnea | DavidProck1981: that's kernel-dependent |
| 18:21.10 | DavidProck1981 | what do you mean |
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| 18:21.35 | avb | hi all |
| 18:21.37 | Gnea | *blink* |
| 18:21.42 | Gnea | i mean what i said |
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| 18:21.50 | ViViD | hello, i currently am running a sarge server, and im interested in upgrading it to ubuntu's dapper drake...i was wondering if changing the sources.list would work. its really important to keep all my services running with the current configurations if possible |
| 18:21.56 | Gnea | hardware support is dependent on the kernel, not the distro |
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| 18:22.26 | Gnea | ViViD: bad move. ubuntu is not debian. |
| 18:22.30 | pickcoder | time for house work |
| 18:22.38 | ViViD | yea it seems to have cut off the first part of my post |
| 18:22.39 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 18:22.46 | avb | i'm search for a memory leak in the program. i saw some graph on the net which indicates which amount of memory is used by every function. maybe somebody remember apps name which draws it? |
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| 18:22.49 | DavidProck1981 | so that is what im saying, like for thier sarge, with it's defaults and etch with its default's what hardware they support |
| 18:22.51 | ViViD | i have a sarge server that i think i want to update to dapper |
| 18:22.55 | billytwowilly | so if I get a "can't read superblock" error when I try to mount a windows share does that mean the hard drive is toast? |
| 18:23.05 | ViViD | its getting really painful getting backports to work smoothly |
| 18:23.06 | h3sp4wn | ViViD: Ask #ubuntu |
| 18:23.20 | Gnea | DavidProck1981: "a lot" |
| 18:23.21 | odla | h3sp4wn, beat me to it |
| 18:23.22 | quad3d | ViViD, your best bet is back up everything and install ubuntu server |
| 18:23.28 | ViViD | you'd think they would want to help, but they seem to be ignoring |
| 18:23.38 | DavidProck1981 | do they have a list |
| 18:23.47 | Gnea | nafaik |
| 18:23.51 | odla | ViViD, why not just run etch? it's nearly released |
| 18:23.55 | ViViD | quad3d: so you would make a backup and install rather than changing sources.list |
| 18:24.00 | Gnea | ok, sleep time |
| 18:24.10 | DavidProck1981 | like a section on video cards and one for sound cards and ect. |
| 18:24.11 | quad3d | have sarge running prod and dapper server running as test/backup and seems to run fine |
| 18:24.25 | quad3d | yea, though it's based on debian but there are a lot of things that's different |
| 18:24.32 | ViViD | odla: i was thinking about that, but in general the release cycle is slow, and i will have this trouble again after stuff starts to get backported for etch |
| 18:24.56 | ViViD | but i guess with dappers 5 year cycle.....id probably get the same thing there |
| 18:25.12 | odla | ViViD, if it's a server what difference does it make if your software is current as long as it's up to date with security? |
| 18:25.45 | abrotman | ericP: is it working ? |
| 18:25.47 | odla | i think ubuntu is utter shit anyways |
| 18:25.54 | ViViD | odla: the problem is updating for security i commonly have to make it install, rather than just changing my preferences |
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| 18:26.00 | DavidProck1981 | etch is nearly released because ther updateing like crazy like every hour |
| 18:26.15 | ViViD | odla: backports.org has bugs it seems on a few packages |
| 18:26.16 | DavidProck1981 | that is how i can tell |
| 18:26.17 | odla | DavidProck1981, it was released on the 4th |
| 18:26.18 | abrotman | they are ? |
| 18:26.21 | odla | congrats everyone!!! |
| 18:26.23 | abrotman | odla: no it wasn't |
| 18:26.26 | odla | abrotman, i know |
| 18:26.37 | ViViD | odla: when is etch going stable? |
| 18:26.42 | odla | ViViD, soon... |
| 18:26.54 | quad3d | what's your main reason you want to switch your prod machine to ubuntu from debian again? newer packages? |
| 18:27.02 | odla | ViViD, it was suppose to be released on the 4th but it'll probably be released by the end of the month or the next one...or when it's ready :D |
| 18:27.03 | TGPO | ViViD, compared with most everyone else debian testing IS stable |
| 18:27.07 | ViViD | and sarge->etch by sources.list is problem free? |
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| 18:27.20 | odla | ViViD, for the most part...yes |
| 18:27.23 | quad3d | yea, i was about to say that.. just enable testing and use packages from there |
| 18:27.34 | DavidProck1981 | isn't etch allready stable? |
| 18:27.39 | odla | DavidProck1981, no |
| 18:27.46 | odla | DavidProck1981, sarge = stable |
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| 18:27.51 | TGPO | DavidProck1981, not officially |
| 18:27.56 | ViViD | TGPO: well, its more stable than many "stable" systems, but its not official, with a server, stability is issue #2 right after security |
| 18:27.57 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
| 18:27.58 | odla | DavidProck1981, etch will be stable when it's released |
| 18:28.11 | odla | DavidProck1981, then sarge = old stable |
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| 18:28.43 | DavidProck1981 | why dont tyey drop off the old stables |
| 18:28.55 | odla | DavidProck1981, cause they are still supported |
| 18:29.06 | odla | DavidProck1981, debian still provides security updates |
| 18:29.14 | ViViD | odla: with sarge, im using ide-scsi...which etch probably doesnt use, will this upgrade too. i mean will my drives work w/o having to mess with drivers and stuff |
| 18:29.28 | DavidProck1981 | its all about the hard ware support wright? |
| 18:29.35 | odla | ViViD, i'm not sure...but someone here i'm sure does |
| 18:29.52 | odla | ViViD, but i would imagine what was supported in sarge is still supported in etch |
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| 18:30.07 | xingu | ide-scsi is an abomination |
| 18:30.09 | ViViD | odla: thats only a personal feature, the most important stuff is like ftp, web, ssh etc servers |
| 18:30.25 | odla | ViViD, it's all there :D |
| 18:30.27 | ViViD | xingu: sarge uses some really old kernels |
| 18:30.45 | odla | ViViD, etch is currently at 2.6.17 and *might* get 2.6.18 before it's released |
| 18:30.50 | odla | i think that's the plan at least |
| 18:31.06 | ViViD | odla: i think my pc is only 2.6.17 |
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| 18:31.20 | odla | ViViD, so i may be wrong in my thinking but...etch is probably more current than dapper...that was released a while ago? |
| 18:31.21 | TGPO | and its only the matter of a little time to get it running 2.6.19 |
| 18:31.27 | ViViD | odla: but the server is running like 2.4.20smp |
| 18:31.52 | HooH | When will etch will come out???? |
| 18:31.53 | odla | TGPO, or making a deb package using the source from the kernel homepage |
| 18:32.02 | HooH | oopsi. |
| 18:32.06 | odla | HooH, soon...later if people keep asking |
| 18:32.13 | ViViD | odla: could you give me a guesstimate of how long until etch will release? like 2-3 months or so? |
| 18:32.15 | HooH | :\ |
| 18:32.22 | xingu | ViViD: if you're using ide-scsi to talk to atapi devices, you'll probably find that your userland no longer needs to |
| 18:32.22 | HooH | soon as in days? |
| 18:32.24 | odla | ViViD, it was suppose to be released on dec 4th |
| 18:32.36 | ViViD | oh, so like really soon |
| 18:32.44 | TGPO | odla, exactly, that only takes a little bit of time ... 30 minutes or so for me |
| 18:32.46 | odla | ViViD, but i'm guessing...i'm not a DD...that it'll be released by the end of December/earl January |
| 18:32.50 | ViViD | ill just wait until it goes stable and then dist-upgrade |
| 18:33.13 | odla | ViViD, sounds like a good idea :) |
| 18:33.19 | ViViD | :P |
| 18:33.47 | ViViD | im lazy, and i dont want to have to reconfigure all the services |
| 18:34.16 | ViViD | thanks for the help |
| 18:34.21 | odla | np |
| 18:34.44 | quad3d | speaking of that.... is there a thing for debian like kickstart for redhat or jumpstart for solaris? |
| 18:34.59 | odla | ViViD, there's certainly no reason to run ubuntu on a server :D |
| 18:35.02 | odla | ViViD, or ever |
| 18:35.05 | odla | he he |
| 18:35.14 | Supaplex | quad3d: what do they do? |
| 18:35.17 | ViViD | i use it for my desktop, because i like to run the most recent stuff |
| 18:35.25 | odla | ViViD, debian sid ;) |
| 18:35.27 | ViViD | and have it somewhat stable |
| 18:35.57 | ViViD | i was only thinking of doing the server to help with getting more current packages |
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| 18:36.27 | ViViD | but after a few years, near the end of dappers cycle, id probably get the same issue i currently have with sarge |
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| 18:36.46 | quad3d | Supaplex, instead of using the default disks to install the OS and reconfigure everything from scratch. kickstart/jumpstart is a pre-configured installation disks (with the configs and services you wanted) that you can use to install on multiple similiar spec servers |
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| 18:37.10 | ViViD | like debootstrap? |
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| 18:37.21 | quad3d | we have tons of poweredge 1850s servers at my work place and we use that to install and go |
| 18:37.26 | Supaplex | quad3d: to install on multiple stations at once? |
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| 18:37.33 | quad3d | yea, pretty much |
| 18:37.33 | TGPO | sounds like tasksel |
| 18:37.33 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 18:38.12 | quad3d | i'm not familiar with debootstrap or tasksel |
| 18:38.20 | Supaplex | I don't think it's either |
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| 18:38.29 | ViViD | odla: sometimes with backports.org, ill put all the stuff i need to upgrade into my preferences, and then the installations will be missing dependencies or doesnt complete for some other reason |
| 18:38.32 | fatsheep | I just downloaded debian unstable and installation worked fine until it tried to install grub. When it got to that part it just froze at 0% and I had to ctrl + alt + delete out of it. Any ideas? |
| 18:38.46 | TGPO | tasksel lets you define which packeges you want installed |
| 18:39.14 | quad3d | oic, i'll have to look more into that :) |
| 18:39.18 | odla | ViViD, yeah...i don't use backports so i'm not sure. i think it's cause it sometimes has dependencies from testing |
| 18:39.23 | Supaplex | TGPO: it's pretty crude though it's it? like "web server" |
| 18:39.45 | odla | fatsheep, unstable? you could just installed grub if that's all that's missing |
| 18:39.47 | ViViD | odla: well they take stuff from testing, and recompile it with sarges older gcc and libraries |
| 18:39.48 | Supaplex | s/pretty crude/high level/ |
| 18:40.08 | ViViD | odla: but sometimes it can get difficult to get them working |
| 18:40.19 | fatsheep | odla: I'm not sure if that's all what's missing, this is the first time I've installed debian... but I don't need to install grub on that partition anyhow |
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| 18:40.25 | TGPO | Supaplex, no, you cam make customs, task sel is how you do a server install or desktop install by default anyway, you can modify it and give it a custom name |
| 18:40.33 | ViViD | odla: its there a mailing list or something i can subscribe to that will let me know when etch releases? |
| 18:40.41 | odla | fatsheep, that's the last thing that gets installed |
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| 18:40.54 | odla | ViViD, i think so... |
| 18:40.56 | odla | !mailing list |
| 18:40.56 | dpkg | methinks mailing list is about large numbers of persons that might have knowledge and experiences that may or may not use IRC. about http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/, or about the communications being persistent. Mailing lists allow those in various time zones to more effectively share with each other. |
| 18:41.03 | odla | ViViD, check that out |
| 18:41.04 | Supaplex | TGPO: cool. can you include configs/setup scripts to modify the defaults to? (per package etc) |
| 18:41.10 | ViViD | odla: thanks |
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| 18:41.37 | odla | ViViD, no problem |
| 18:41.43 | TGPO | Supaplex, I'm unsure, I'v only played with tasksel twice, and both were kind of cookie cutter recipes |
| 18:42.00 | fatsheep | odla: ok thanks |
| 18:42.10 | fatsheep | I'm gonna try to boot to debian and see what happens |
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| 18:42.44 | odla | fatsheep, good luck...if that doesn't work grab etch rc1 install it and upgrade to sid |
| 18:42.46 | fatsheep | /dev/hda6 /debian_unstable etx3 defaults 0 0 |
| 18:42.46 | fatsheep | ^^ does that look ok for the /etc/fstab line? |
| 18:42.58 | MoonGladeGal | when sending email from my server to hotmail, it gets put in their junk mail box. I've got an A record and MX... any idea why its' doing this? |
| 18:43.01 | odla | well ext3 :D |
| 18:43.03 | odla | not etx |
| 18:43.04 | fatsheep | yea |
| 18:43.09 | fatsheep | but besides that... |
| 18:43.16 | TGPO | Supaplex, man tasksel says you can pass configuration arguments to the packages its installing as it goes |
| 18:43.26 | odla | fatsheep, /dev/hdc2 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 18:43.29 | odla | fatsheep, that's mine |
| 18:43.36 | Jenetik | I have configured a Samsung network printer succefully using the cups/ipp/printer and am able to print test pages, but unable to get it to work from mozilla (Printing: Print file was not accepted (client-error-bad-request)!) I have tried replacing lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME} to lpr-cups and to kprinter --stdin and both end up with a job being spooled wrong and nothing being printed. IS there a guide on this o |
| 18:43.36 | Jenetik | r a quick fix? |
| 18:43.40 | fatsheep | ok thanks |
| 18:43.44 | odla | fatsheep, no problem |
| 18:43.51 | Supaplex | TGPO: so one profile to rule them all? :) |
| 18:44.01 | TGPO | Supaplex, it appears so |
| 18:44.18 | Supaplex | !kickstart |
| 18:44.18 | dpkg | [kickstart] a utility developed by and distributed with RedHat allowing you to install large numbers of identical linux boxes. The HOWTO homepage is located at http://wwwcache.ja.net/dev/kickstart/. |
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| 18:44.38 | Supaplex | dpkg: kickstart is also see tasksel |
| 18:44.38 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
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| 18:48.53 | DavidProck1981 | is the only reason (basicly) to hold on to the OLD dist of debian , is to get support for certin hardware, else why not upgrade, Am i correct on that? |
| 18:49.35 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: yes |
| 18:50.37 | odla | DavidProck1981, or if you like the new of that toy story character better |
| 18:50.42 | odla | s new/name |
| 18:51.09 | DavidProck1981 | any what are the mane things that determin that like, X.Org or XFree86 and kernel version, am i correct? |
| 18:51.15 | DavidProck1981 | and* |
| 18:51.32 | odla | DavidProck1981, yes |
| 18:51.40 | DavidProck1981 | did i leave any out |
| 18:51.49 | odla | DavidProck1981, those are the big ones |
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| 18:52.00 | tralala | openoffice2, iceweasel |
| 18:52.19 | DavidProck1981 | xserver, kernel version, missing any thing else? |
| 18:54.05 | odla | DavidProck1981, read some docs on the subject...but as i said earlier those are main ones |
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| 18:55.06 | odla | DavidProck1981, www.fuckinggoogleit.com < - website has lots of info on these questions |
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| 18:57.05 | quitte | how do i tell a system with pcihp that i just inserted a card? |
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| 18:57.52 | valdyn | quitte: you dont |
| 18:57.52 | DavidProck1981 | odla then what are all of the others besides those 2 that determan hardware support, can u sett me, i have an idea |
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| 18:58.20 | valdyn | quitte: udev or hotplug should take care of it |
| 18:58.32 | quitte | it doesn't :( |
| 18:58.44 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
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| 18:58.54 | valdyn | quitte: are you running a debian kernel? |
| 18:58.55 | Johanner | Hello I need a budget, I need to install 4 redhat servers, with rsync, samba as a pdc and logon server plus shares, 50 users, print server, webserver, virtual machine, bacula for backups, a vpn between them, a firewall, a dedicated conection, a webserver(apache tomcat), can anybody do that?tell me a number at least?an a period of time? |
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| 18:59.04 | abrotman | ban evader! |
| 18:59.05 | quitte | valdyn: yes. |
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| 18:59.48 | valdyn | quitte: there's 'udevmonitor' it should spit out info when anything is hotplugged |
| 18:59.52 | robin__sz | Johanner, go ask readhat ... I could accurately give you times for Debain |
| 18:59.54 | valdyn | quitte: etch and later that is |
| 18:59.55 | abrotman | peterrooney: magadalene has been looking for you |
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| 19:00.10 | Johanner | robin__sz:please do likewise with debian |
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| 19:00.31 | valdyn | quitte: but anyway, i know nothing about your hardware, only about the mechnisms involved |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | Johanner: 42 |
| 19:00.35 | Johanner | robin__sz:Its linux I need, in redhat nobody responds, the only difference is support, but I don't care much if they can't even respond to that |
| 19:00.42 | Johanner | 42? |
| 19:00.50 | tralala | !42 |
| 19:00.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 19:01.01 | DavidProck1981 | look U dont have to be an ass about U, so U need to get over it, Besause U know what i mean when i use U instead of You, or else U would not have dpkg tell me that U=You and dont say U, OK |
| 19:01.06 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
| 19:01.21 | tralala | bwahahaha |
| 19:01.23 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman: look U dont have to be an ass about U, so U need to get over it, Besause U know what i mean when i use U instead of You, or else U would not have dpkg tell me that U=You and dont say U, OK |
| 19:01.27 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
| 19:01.32 | valdyn | !u |
| 19:01.32 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:01.36 | valdyn | harhar |
| 19:01.39 | quitte | valdyn: its a hp netserver lh6000. udevmonitor doesnt show an event when a pci port is "opened". but the led indicating there is power on it went off |
| 19:01.53 | Johanner | please, be serious |
| 19:01.59 | robin__sz | Johanner, well, I could sort those machines out in a day ... the cost wold be axactly my time, plus the cost of the machines |
| 19:02.00 | tralala | Johanner: seriously, ask #redhat |
| 19:02.05 | abrotman | Johanner: you're asking #debian how to install RH .. how the heck would we know .. try #redhat or ##linux or #fedora |
| 19:02.20 | Johanner | tralala: no, please, do as well with debian, I forgot to change that part, it's linux I need! |
| 19:02.34 | robin__sz | Johanner, that with debian though .. with dedrat, well , no idea |
| 19:02.47 | Johanner | I've been told redhat has much more support, that's why I've went to redhat |
| 19:02.52 | Johanner | but I honestly don't care |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | it would take me an hour with debian |
| 19:03.20 | Johanner | an hour to do all that? |
| 19:03.26 | robin__sz | Johanner, how much experience fo setting up linux servers do you actually have and with which distros? |
| 19:03.33 | abrotman | but .. it doesn't matter .. you're NOT using debian |
| 19:03.37 | Johanner | robin__sz: I'm a business man, not a linux techie |
| 19:03.47 | robin__sz | Johanner, oh, then about a month |
| 19:03.48 | DavidProck1981 | Johanner: for me it is Way Easer to solve missing dependcies on Debian that any other distro |
| 19:03.58 | abrotman | Johanner: then ask your tech person |
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| 19:04.06 | DavidProck1981 | that is one of the reason i use Debian |
| 19:04.09 | Johanner | Johanner: I'm searching for one right here;) |
| 19:04.09 | KhanFused | Can someone refresh my memory please? ... Trying to compile a 2.4.33 kernel - which I know that GCC-4 won't do (even if I didn't, the compile told me when it broke). Where in the makefile do I change the flag to use gcc-3.4 (or lower)? I've already set HOSTCC = /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 -- and it told me that was too recent a version. I tried gcc-2.95 ... ditto. Am I missing a second flag that must be set? |
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| 19:04.19 | Johanner | abrotman: I'm searching for one right here |
| 19:04.22 | DavidProck1981 | Johanner: for me it is Way Easer to solve missing dependcies on Debian that any other distro |
| 19:04.40 | Johanner | DavidProck1981: I understand the apt-get thingy, the only problem is support |
| 19:05.00 | DavidProck1981 | what do u have that u need support on |
| 19:05.03 | tralala | Johanner: debian.org should list complanies offering debian support |
| 19:05.08 | Johanner | I need two numbers, price and time, nothing more |
| 19:05.10 | tralala | companies |
| 19:05.19 | abrotman | Johanner: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 19:05.22 | Johanner | DavidProck1981: redhat has a callcenter aparently in here... |
| 19:05.31 | robin__sz | Johanner, 1 day, and as much as you have to pay the consultant |
| 19:05.42 | Johanner | robin__sz: 1 day to install all that? |
| 19:05.44 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 19:05.54 | Johanner | install and configure of caurse |
| 19:05.54 | DavidProck1981 | call center? do what |
| 19:06.03 | abrotman | Johanner: ASK #redhat |
| 19:06.04 | robin__sz | Johanner, no, 1 hour to install all that, 1 day to configure it to your requirements |
| 19:06.11 | valdyn | KhanFused: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make foo |
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| 19:06.20 | DavidProck1981 | Johanner what do U mean by that |
| 19:06.25 | Johanner | robin__sz: you're hired, how much? |
| 19:06.26 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
| 19:06.31 | DavidProck1981 | lol odla |
| 19:06.43 | abrotman | odla: no .. DavidProck1981 is just an idiot |
| 19:06.55 | robin__sz | Johanner, sorry, not for hire at the monent ... way too much work already |
| 19:07.13 | odla | !lol |
| 19:07.13 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:07.14 | abrotman | Johanner: RH has consultants for hire |
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| 19:07.26 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman then i dont want to ever see U again use any short typeing again |
| 19:07.31 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
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| 19:07.40 | odla | abrotman, ha ha ha |
| 19:07.45 | peterrooney | Gnea: magdalene called, rumour had it you were looking for logs? |
| 19:07.47 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: you can't even spell the words you type out |
| 19:07.52 | KhanFused | valdyn - thanks, that's what I missed. |
| 19:08.01 | DavidProck1981 | i know that |
| 19:08.05 | KhanFused | At least I think ... I'll find out if/when it crashes again. |
| 19:08.18 | abrotman | peterrooney: wants to know why she can no longer login to tty1 :) |
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| 19:08.37 | peterrooney | abrotman: no, was talking about the ban evasion |
| 19:08.38 | robin__sz | Johanner, seriously, you just need a good sysadmin for a day, and then some sort of agreemetn with them to do a few hours when reuired to tweak stuff you find you need tweaking |
| 19:08.43 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.46 | abrotman | peterrooney: that's for something else |
| 19:09.01 | magdalene | abrotman gnea was talking to me about the ban evation |
| 19:09.06 | magdalene | peter has logs |
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| 19:09.13 | abrotman | he does ? |
| 19:09.27 | robin__sz | Johanner, I would expect a decent sysadmin to know what hes worth for the gig, I would imagine in London you couild expect to pay around 1K gbp for the day |
| 19:09.35 | peterrooney | abrotman: i log every action taken as root :) |
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| 19:09.51 | abrotman | peterrooney: that's not what they mean |
| 19:10.06 | Blastur | whats the package name for svn on debian sarge? seems to find alot of addons/svn utils, but not the actual program itself! |
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| 19:10.25 | tralala | Blastur: subversion |
| 19:10.37 | Blastur | thanks |
| 19:11.02 | DavidProck1981 | so what does U mean in Dutch |
| 19:11.12 | abrotman | OMGWTFBBQ! |
| 19:11.21 | odla | !tell DavidProck1981 about U |
| 19:11.26 | DavidProck1981 | i dont understand what U hade Dpkg tell me |
| 19:11.31 | peterrooney | abrotman: i know, but tell me coffee didn't come out your nose. btw, why DOES tty1 sometimes spawn '--login' instead of getty on reboot? |
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| 19:11.45 | abrotman | peterrooney: no idea .. not my box :) |
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| 19:11.46 | odla | DavidProck1981, stop trolliing |
| 19:11.59 | DavidProck1981 | stop what |
| 19:12.03 | odla | !trolling |
| 19:12.03 | dpkg | [trolling] scorp's idea of constructive criticism, or a poor man's opium |
| 19:12.03 | abrotman | it's been going on for a month |
| 19:12.17 | DavidProck1981 | do what |
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| 19:12.45 | DavidProck1981 | i dont understand that |
| 19:13.06 | abrotman | shocker |
| 19:13.17 | loopdee | hey guys, i installed a pci ide raid controller, i do not have 2 or more of the same disks but set it up as jbod, i am wondering how i can mount thse disk, lspci shows the card |
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| 19:13.33 | abrotman | it's not a real RAID controller |
| 19:13.45 | loopdee | no i suppose not |
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| 19:14.10 | abrotman | you'd have to use swraid then |
| 19:14.30 | loopdee | even if i am not using it as a raid controller, just a bunch of disks ? |
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| 19:15.20 | DavidProck1981 | UUU |
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| 19:15.40 | abrotman | that is trolling |
| 19:15.57 | odla | how can i put him on ignore? i've tried /ignore DavidProck1981 but it doesn't seem to work |
| 19:15.59 | tralala | DavidProck1981: if you have nothing to say feel free not to say it |
| 19:16.11 | blondie | how to internets ? |
| 19:16.13 | DavidProck1981 | U is trolling, then U need to stop it then |
| 19:16.19 | tralala | odla: /help ignore |
| 19:16.24 | blondie | !u |
| 19:16.24 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:16.30 | abrotman | odla: /igore DavidProck1981*!*@* |
| 19:16.35 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:16.47 | ehn | i'm having trouble with linux-image-2.6.18-3 on a thinkpad x41. it hangs when/after initializing bluetooth. anyone know what's up? |
| 19:16.57 | DavidProck1981 | look i have been tring to stop saying U, but you all egg it on |
| 19:17.16 | abrotman | no .. you haven't tried .. it's not difficult |
| 19:17.18 | odla | DavidProck1981, then be the mature one |
| 19:17.21 | abrotman | how old are you? |
| 19:17.27 | DavidProck1981 | 25 |
| 19:17.28 | blondie | 25 from the nick :P |
| 19:17.31 | odla | abrotman, you mean how old r u |
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| 19:17.42 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 19:17.44 | abrotman | and you can't spell or learn or stop saying "u" ? |
| 19:17.50 | DustyDingo | i have a problem with the installer |
| 19:17.57 | odla | DustyDingo, elaborate :) |
| 19:17.58 | loopdee | hmm what tool sets up swraid ? |
| 19:18.01 | tralala | with *the* installer? |
| 19:18.01 | blondie | DustyDingo: maybe it's dusty |
| 19:18.10 | blondie | OH LA LA! |
| 19:18.15 | DustyDingo | how can i abort a running apt configuration |
| 19:18.17 | blondie | loopdee: mdadm |
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| 19:18.30 | loopdee | thanks |
| 19:18.32 | DavidProck1981 | look at the very top of the test and tead every thing i have saied and you will see |
| 19:18.38 | blondie | not to be confused with "madam" |
| 19:18.43 | DavidProck1981 | text* |
| 19:18.48 | loopdee | heh |
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| 19:18.54 | tralala | DustyDingo: if I understand the question correctly - by pressing ctrl+c |
| 19:19.00 | DavidProck1981 | text* and read* |
| 19:19.14 | blondie | DavidProck1981: what's your native language? |
| 19:19.22 | DavidProck1981 | english |
| 19:19.26 | DustyDingo | tralala: no you didn't |
| 19:19.40 | tralala | DustyDingo: you'l have to excuse me then |
| 19:19.49 | DavidProck1981 | why you ask |
| 19:19.52 | abrotman | blondie: shocking isn't it ? |
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| 19:19.54 | DustyDingo | the problem is, that apt is checking it's local reps against a mirror and i got a new lease from the dhcp server |
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| 19:20.04 | blondie | eh |
| 19:20.08 | DavidProck1981 | i just make to many typo's |
| 19:20.08 | DustyDingo | now it hangs and i don't want to start again |
| 19:20.18 | blondie | DustyDingo: ctrl-c |
| 19:20.50 | tralala | DavidProck1981: try writing slower/less |
| 19:21.00 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.12 | DustyDingo | blondie: well you can assume that i tried this, before asking people in irc ;) |
| 19:21.14 | DavidProck1981 | + not - |
| 19:21.22 | pheber | what is a keybinding for delete-backwads-char? |
| 19:21.39 | tralala | ctrl+h, backspace |
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| 19:23.20 | blondie | DavidProck1981: it means the same! |
| 19:23.34 | DavidProck1981 | huh what you talking about |
| 19:24.27 | DavidProck1981 | brb = be wright back |
| 19:24.36 | blondie | right |
| 19:24.46 | blondie | take your drugs or something |
| 19:25.02 | abrotman | or more of them |
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| 19:25.51 | tralala | !trollcall |
| 19:25.51 | dpkg | [trollcall] I thought I saw a don't feed the trolls sign around here somewhere.... |
| 19:26.20 | amee2k | how can i set up a user account so that it can only be accessed with unison? |
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| 19:27.43 | emphyboid | what would be a 'simple' (as in not needing to d/l / install hundreds of MB like OOo) spreadsheet that I could "apt-get install" (I really just need to sum a few columns, nothing fancy) (Gnome user) |
| 19:28.08 | pipeline | emphyboid: gnumeric. It's still many, many megabytes, though. |
| 19:28.42 | abrotman | use vi and make a CSV ? :) |
| 19:28.44 | tralala | emphyboid: it would be simple to use google's online spreadsheets |
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| 19:28.51 | PingFloyd | gnumeric is pretty good |
| 19:29.28 | amee2k | any hints? |
| 19:29.33 | emphyboid | I'll give gnumeric a try :) |
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| 19:30.18 | emphyboid | abrotman: sounds like a plan :) |
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| 19:31.55 | emphyboid | tralala: last time I used Google spreadsheets I had simple spreadsheets, but with lots of data and it was kinda slow (Pentium 4 / Linux / Firefox 1.5). Should give it a try on my new system. |
| 19:32.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: your livecd would be cooler if it worked |
| 19:33.16 | tralala | emphyboid: well, if you have lots of data probably gnumeric is the best. Koffice has kspreadsheet (or something) but I |
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| 19:33.28 | ch | ppl someone tell me when Etch surfaces? |
| 19:33.29 | tralala | I'm not sure the performance will be good |
| 19:33.31 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 19:33.32 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 19:34.11 | ch | ahh kk |
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| 19:34.29 | tralala | !customer |
| 19:34.29 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 19:34.44 | emphyboid | tralala: strange... Tried it on my Core 2 Duo (2 GB of RAM) and system becomes instantaneoulsy unresponsive (OK, the spreadsheet is huge, but still). And strangely gkrellm showed activity mostly on one core only (CPU 0 usage nearing 100%). Had to kill -9 Firefox :-/ |
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| 19:35.56 | tralala | emphyboid: I can imagine that firefox and ajax won't win the performance gold... I didn't know that you had lots of data - I wouldn't be recommending online spreadsheets if I did. |
| 19:36.12 | xingu | if you have lots of data you probably want a database, not a spreadsheet |
| 19:36.41 | tralala | oh, that's an idea btw - sqlite |
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| 19:37.50 | pumpkin0 | tralala: performance +sqlite ?!? Where is postgres / mysql ? |
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| 19:39.05 | madriss | what's the best thing to do if my computer freezes? it's completely frozen 3 times since i installed debian the other day. i cant do anything except press the off switch, but then when i turn it back on the filesystem is corrupted. there must b a better way to turn it off or something :s |
| 19:39.06 | tralala | pumpkin0: we're talking about a spreadsheet task with minimum software download, postgres/mysql don't quite fit the requirements imho |
| 19:39.23 | blondie | madriss: maybe a hardware problem |
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| 19:39.40 | madriss | i think the hard drive is a bit dodgey lol |
| 19:39.40 | tralala | madriss: which debian? |
| 19:39.46 | madriss | but its a laptop so duno what i can do |
| 19:39.46 | pumpkin0 | tralala: OK, sqlite is the right answer |
| 19:39.56 | pumpkin0 | madriss: run smartctl to check the HD. |
| 19:39.58 | madriss | i used debian minimal install disc |
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| 19:40.03 | jcazor | hi, |
| 19:40.05 | madriss | then installed desktop |
| 19:40.06 | abrotman | madriss: ssh in and shut it down ? |
| 19:40.20 | madriss | im using it as a desktop not a server so i duno how id do that |
| 19:40.20 | tralala | madriss: which debian? |
| 19:40.21 | blondie | that depends on whether it's completely frozen :) |
| 19:40.35 | madriss | its the latest stable release - off minimal install disc |
| 19:40.58 | blondie | there's no such "server" vs "desktop" distinction with deban |
| 19:40.59 | blondie | +i |
| 19:41.08 | pumpkin0 | madriss: it sounds like a hardware problem. The 3 usual suspects are RAM, HD and CPU-temperature. Which one do you want to check first ? |
| 19:41.11 | madriss | oh well i still wouldnt know how to ssh in lol |
| 19:41.14 | blondie | not in terms of available packages |
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| 19:41.21 | blondie | apt-get install ssh |
| 19:41.34 | blondie | of course you need a second PC networked to it |
| 19:41.46 | TGPO | madriss, or from a windows machine you can ssh in to it using putty |
| 19:41.49 | tralala | madriss: do you have any funny cards? |
| 19:41.50 | madriss | i got another pc connected thru a router |
| 19:42.02 | madriss | mayb i can do it like that |
| 19:42.08 | madriss | i think its most likely hard drive |
| 19:42.14 | madriss | i had some I/O errors with it before |
| 19:42.19 | madriss | error reading block and stuff |
| 19:42.36 | blondie | dunno |
| 19:42.39 | emphyboid | madriss: sometimes the system looks frozen but if kernel has magic SysRQ compiled in you can still issue "blindly" a shutdown or reboot command (or kill X / restart X / etc.). |
| 19:42.39 | jcazor | how can i mount de / partition in readonly mode??? |
| 19:42.46 | blondie | I wouldn't say harddisk for a completely freeze |
| 19:42.47 | pumpkin0 | madriss: check the drive with smartctl and make a BACKUP. |
| 19:42.59 | tralala | madriss: okay, try another disk and let us know if you still have the problem. |
| 19:43.11 | blondie | linux should stay running even if it can't read from the disk :\ |
| 19:43.15 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: "mount -o remount, ro /" ? |
| 19:43.21 | madriss | ok i'll do that disk check once i've got it back up |
| 19:43.33 | madriss | i'm being called away now which is annoying lol |
| 19:43.37 | blondie | dmesg usually reports disk reading/writing problems |
| 19:43.45 | madriss | thanks for all ur help though i'll try all the stuff you said |
| 19:44.13 | xingu | ... seems to be - nope, no gnumeric/gda love yet. |
| 19:44.37 | madriss | thanks very much sorry to rush off again i was expecting to be here longer :) bye |
| 19:45.17 | jcazor | pumpkin0, im trying to fsck the disk because df says i have no space left on it, but it's not true, i have almost 1GB free, but it doesnt see it, |
| 19:45.47 | PingFloyd | by default, a certain percentage is reserved usually |
| 19:45.51 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: that 1 GB may be the root-reserve.... |
| 19:45.52 | blondie | jcazor: does the used + free space equal the total? |
| 19:45.56 | blondie | according to df |
| 19:46.18 | jcazor | the problem is that if i remove files the space free doesnt update |
| 19:46.39 | jcazor | so i cant startx with a user but root |
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| 19:46.50 | blondie | does "dmesg" report disk errors? |
| 19:46.59 | jcazor | no, |
| 19:47.00 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: set the partition to be fsck during the next startup (tune2fs) and reboot. |
| 19:47.02 | valdyn | jcazor: only root can use the reserved space |
| 19:47.15 | valdyn | jcazor: your disk / partition is likely fine |
| 19:47.31 | blondie | if you delete things owned by root on that FS it might not make any difference |
| 19:47.41 | blondie | if it's a root-reserved-space issue |
| 19:47.51 | p3rti | hi.. i have problems with alsa modules, when it's loaded the alsa module the sound it's too low but if i load the oss module the volume it's right.. what it could be? pliz! |
| 19:47.54 | valdyn | jcazor: free space or try tune2fs |
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| 19:48.08 | abrotman | raise mixer levels in alsa-mixer |
| 19:48.25 | PingFloyd | oss and alsa can have different levels set |
| 19:48.46 | PingFloyd | adjust which one you want with a mixer designed for it |
| 19:48.53 | p3rti | abrotman, i have the levels on top on both |
| 19:49.00 | pumpkin0 | blondie: depends on the BIOS ... |
| 19:49.11 | tralala | p3rti: and unmuted? |
| 19:49.16 | abrotman | every single device ? |
| 19:49.17 | p3rti | tralala, yes. |
| 19:49.17 | jcazor | when the sistem boot, firts fsck the disk, i enter in single user mode, and i manually fsck the disk, while that fsck says that the inodes free doesnt count whith the total inodes + the ocuppied ones, and it update it, but on the next boot the problem persist |
| 19:49.20 | blondie | I want a debian "live USB stick" :S |
| 19:49.31 | simonrvn | weee |
| 19:49.46 | p3rti | i have a single device. via soundcard i can hear with alsa module but too low |
| 19:49.47 | pumpkin0 | blondie: download knoppix ? |
| 19:49.56 | p3rti | but with oss module it's normal! |
| 19:50.10 | blondie | pumpkin0: please be passing the sick bags... and I want debian thanks |
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| 19:50.31 | tralala | p3rti: is everything in alsa mixer on top and unmuted? |
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| 19:50.50 | p3rti | tralala, yes |
| 19:50.59 | PingFloyd | p3rti: are you sure you're not overlooking a setting like PCM etc |
| 19:51.16 | tralala | p3rti: can you post a screenshot of the mixer somewhere? |
| 19:51.30 | p3rti | yes i can post. |
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| 19:51.39 | p3rti | wait.. PingFloyd i dont understand your question |
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| 19:52.16 | jcazor | valdyn, if i free space the free blocks counter doesnt get higher, df say i have 0 free blocks |
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| 19:52.29 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: did you play with a partition-resize tool ? |
| 19:52.29 | jcazor | pumpkin0, no |
| 19:52.37 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: running sid ? |
| 19:52.50 | PingFloyd | there is usually a setting called PCM in the mixers |
| 19:52.54 | xingu | jcazor: is one of the files you have removed still in use/ open? |
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| 19:53.21 | jcazor | pumpkin0, i have all my disk in one partition because it is small |
| 19:53.28 | jcazor | xingu, no |
| 19:53.47 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: running a old reiserfs ? |
| 19:54.09 | jcazor | pumpkin0, im running sid on all my machines.... the problem is only in one of them, i dont think its a flavour problem |
| 19:54.15 | jcazor | pumpkin0, no |
| 19:54.20 | jcazor | pumpkin0, ext2 |
| 19:54.52 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: why didn´t you use ext3 ? |
| 19:54.55 | PingFloyd | it will affect your volume level for any sounds other than related to midi etc |
| 19:55.20 | p3rti | look http://www.linux.com.co/Pantallazo.png |
| 19:55.24 | jcazor | it wasnt developed yet ;) |
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| 19:55.55 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: you upgraded a box all the way from buzz to sid ??? |
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| 19:56.26 | tralala | p3rti: I can see plenty of controls that aren't maxed out |
| 19:56.34 | xingu | jcazor: have the lost inodes been found and reattached in lost+found? |
| 19:56.51 | PingFloyd | p3rti: I would recommend turning them all up and see which ones have an effect |
| 19:57.14 | PingFloyd | p3rti: could be a matter of one of them is in play that's being overlooked |
| 19:57.16 | jcazor | pumpkin0, yes |
| 19:57.47 | jcazor | the installation has about five or six years old... linux is cool!! :P |
| 19:57.58 | p3rti | PingFloyd, let me try.. |
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| 19:58.20 | jcazor | xingu, no |
| 19:58.28 | blondie | !tell fatsheep about root |
| 19:58.35 | jcazor | this is what i get if i run df -k: |
| 19:58.36 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: tune2fs can add journals to ext2-partition w/o data loss (= convert to ext3 in about 5 seconds). |
| 19:58.51 | xingu | pumpkin0: ... if there's free space. :) |
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| 19:59.00 | jcazor | S.ficheros Bloques de 1K Usado Dispon Uso% Montado en |
| 19:59.00 | jcazor | /dev/hda1 19032100 18606040 0 100% / |
| 19:59.00 | jcazor | tmpfs 62932 0 62932 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 19:59.00 | jcazor | tmpfs 62932 0 62932 0% /dev/shm |
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| 19:59.40 | xingu | jcazor: 19032100-18606040 > 0 |
| 19:59.49 | jcazor | xingu, yes |
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| 19:59.53 | xingu | jcazor: you probably want to use tune2fs to set the root-reserved percentage. |
| 20:00.27 | jcazor | but if i remove files, the used block decreases, but the free block remain to 0 |
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| 20:00.56 | xingu | indeed, this is precisely what the root-reserved percentage means/is/does. |
| 20:01.00 | zam_aliphe | !opengl |
| 20:01.00 | dpkg | [opengl] (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 20:01.01 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: that is "free-for-users" block count. Root can use them even if df does not show them. |
| 20:01.23 | zam_aliphe | !libopengl |
| 20:01.38 | xingu | jcazor: however, be aware that allocation strategies for all ufs-like filesystems suck the big one (that's the technical term for it) where space is that tight |
| 20:02.10 | xingu | jcazor: also, be aware that the root-reserved region is where fsck reattaches lost inodes to; using it for user allocation will impair this and possibly leave you with an unfixable filesystem should it crash. |
| 20:02.11 | jcazor | pumpkin0, and how can i change that? my users are unable now to write files to disk, to startx because of the /tmp, etc, etc |
| 20:02.29 | xingu | jcazor: the way you fix it is by spending money and attaching more DASD |
| 20:02.29 | zam_aliphe | what is the name of the opengl dev pkg ? |
| 20:02.31 | valdyn | jcazor: close to full disks have several issues, even if you use tune2fs to change root reserved space you should have a alot more free space |
| 20:02.35 | pumpkin0 | jcazor: tune2fs |
| 20:02.57 | pumpkin0 | zam_aliphe: mesalib-dev ? |
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| 20:03.25 | jcazor | valdyn, yes, i think its not a problem of missconfiguration... or something, the proble is that the free inodes are not seeing by the system |
| 20:03.44 | valdyn | jcazor: why don't you just tree tune2fs? |
| 20:03.48 | valdyn | jcazor: why don't you just try tune2fs? |
| 20:04.27 | xingu | but hey, what do I know about storage, I'm just some guy on irc |
| 20:04.32 | PingFloyd | jcazor: maybe run fsck on it first |
| 20:05.18 | zam_aliphe | !mesa-dev |
| 20:05.36 | jcazor | PingFloyd, ive run fsck almost 10 times with no result |
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| 20:06.24 | tralala | jcazor: are you saying that you don't know how to fix it? |
| 20:06.37 | jcazor | rebooting or mounting readonly, the result is always the same. it detects that some free inodes are not being seen, it fix them, but when i reboot, the problem is there |
| 20:07.07 | zam_aliphe | E: Package mesa-dev has no installation candidate &&E: Couldn't find package mesalib-dev |
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| 20:07.42 | zam_aliphe | i need to install the dev of opengl lib in debian |
| 20:08.03 | tralala | zam_aliphe, /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:08.16 | pumpkin0 | zam_aliphe: http://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ? |
| 20:08.18 | jcazor | tralala, i have no idea how to fix it, when i run fsck it aparently repairs it, but on the next reboot, the problem remains there |
| 20:08.22 | PingFloyd | jcazor: you are umounting the fs when you fsck, right? |
| 20:08.29 | jcazor | PingFloyd, yes |
| 20:08.57 | tralala | jcazor: then you should (perhaps) try to follow the instructions of the people here who seem to know. |
| 20:09.17 | jcazor | that is what im doing |
| 20:09.40 | xingu | PingFloyd: you're wasting your time, jcazor is unable to realise that a 97% allocated filesystem is going to report 0% free with the default root-reserved allocation. |
| 20:09.57 | tralala | jcazor: can I see the command you used? |
| 20:09.59 | karsten | Where might I find the Bitstream Vera Sans font? |
| 20:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 590] by debhelper |
| 20:10.08 | karsten | Google Earth is complaining I don't have it. |
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| 20:10.18 | tralala | karsten: in any debian mirror |
| 20:10.18 | xingu | PingFloyd: he's also being selectively deaf, this problem was a non-problem 11 minutes ago. |
| 20:10.31 | karsten | tralala: ... as what package? |
| 20:11.01 | tralala | karsten: erm... bitstream vesa something? |
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| 20:11.20 | karsten | tralala: Bingo! Thanks ;-) |
| 20:11.32 | jcazor | xingu, you were right |
| 20:11.41 | tralala | that was a tough one |
| 20:11.42 | ma3x | what's the URL to see a list of all broken packages in sid? |
| 20:12.01 | jcazor | tune2fs -m 0 /dev/hda1, now i have free blocks |
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| 20:12.29 | jcazor | xingu, PingFloyd, tralala, valdyn, thanx |
| 20:12.35 | ma3x | tralala: that was an easy one |
| 20:12.36 | tralala | ma3x: <any_debian_mirror>/dists/unstable/Packages.gz |
| 20:12.40 | abrotman | !btssmite ma3x |
| 20:12.54 | valdyn | jcazor: free more space, being low fucks performance |
| 20:13.10 | ma3x | abrotman: but there was one url where you can see all the broken packages |
| 20:13.13 | ma3x | what's the site? |
| 20:13.25 | jcazor | ok, ill keep it in mind |
| 20:13.26 | xingu | I'd guess that in that 18G volume there's about 1G worth cksum-ly duplicate data, about 2-3G worth of obsolete or ex-design-scope data |
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| 20:13.42 | PingFloyd | jcazor: after you fix up your space problem, then you should probably enable reserving |
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| 20:14.12 | xingu | I'd also guess that there's no user quotas, and no (costed) capacity management |
| 20:14.15 | jcazor | reserving? |
| 20:14.18 | PingFloyd | jcazor: otherwise, like what xingu was trying to tell you, you'll eventually find yourself between a rock and hard spot if you need repair the fs in the future |
| 20:14.41 | tralala | ma3x: it's safe to assume that everything in sid is broken |
| 20:14.44 | abrotman | ma3x: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ ? |
| 20:14.49 | xingu | I'd further guess that the backup strategy was probably in an equal state of disarray and that fudging about to recover 10% worth of "space" is not a win in terms of time. |
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| 20:15.16 | biopyte | hi. im umounting my usb-stick with 'umount /dev/sda'. the stick is unmounted then but the led keeps blinking. do irisk dataloss when unplugging the stick now. should i pass any options when unmounting so led stops blinking? |
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| 20:15.34 | jcazor | xingu, no |
| 20:15.38 | xingu | the real solution, as stated, is to attach more DASD; a 36G spindle won't exactly break the bank |
| 20:15.41 | LLcoolM | hi, can i compile a x86 kernel without vga support? |
| 20:15.55 | ma3x | that's not the page |
| 20:15.57 | dogmeat | folks i have a large .iso file (> ~2.5 GB) and would like to split it in half for a lengthly ftp upload. seems on the upload server, there is file size limit around 2GB. which util can i use to split the file in half, and then recombine the parts? |
| 20:16.05 | jcazor | its a laptop |
| 20:16.07 | ma3x | there was another one, where (broken) with red color appears |
| 20:16.20 | pumpkin0 | dogmeat: dd ? |
| 20:16.24 | valdyn | dogmeat: man split |
| 20:16.29 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 20:17.03 | pumpkin0 | biopyte: if you realy umounted all mounted partitions and the umount-command finished => it´s safe. |
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| 20:17.24 | xingu | the last issue is that an 18G notebook drive circa buzz will be about due to mechanically fail |
| 20:17.30 | jmalicki_ | anyone know the proper way to remove a dpkg-divert on an upgrade of a deb? |
| 20:17.36 | pumpkin0 | LLcoolM: yes, you can. Are you sure you want to ? |
| 20:17.47 | jmalicki_ | i think i want a "postinst upgrade", but that doesn't exist... |
| 20:17.50 | xingu | from a preventative maintenance viewpoint alone, the correct solution is still to spend money and attach more disk. |
| 20:17.51 | biopyte | pumpkin0, alright thanks |
| 20:18.20 | dogmeat | valdyn: to recombine the files into a single, which util can i use? |
| 20:18.26 | valdyn | dogmeat: cat |
| 20:18.37 | dogmeat | excellent, thanks |
| 20:18.48 | valdyn | dogmeat: cat file1 file2 > whole |
| 20:19.02 | LLcoolM | pumpkin0: yes, its for a headless machine that doesnt even have a vga card and is only accessible via network or serial console |
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| 20:19.50 | pumpkin0 | LLcoolM: some BIOS will stop booting if there is no gfx-card present. Linux does not care about that. |
| 20:19.53 | xingu | dogmeat: suggest you use md5sum and create a checksum for the original file as well as the split pieces |
| 20:20.05 | abrotman | it will if the BIOS stops it first :) |
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| 20:20.34 | LLcoolM | abrotman: no, bios doesnt care :) |
| 20:20.35 | dogmeat | xingu: ok. i did have that in mind as well |
| 20:20.39 | LLcoolM | i already checked that |
| 20:20.41 | xingu | dogmeat: also, if the target system is not largefile-clean (2GB file limit) it may not be able to recombine the file either. |
| 20:21.09 | xingu | dogmeat: you may need a plan b in that instance that does not involve that system at all other than as a midway point |
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| 20:21.23 | tralala | LLcoolM: and why do you want to compile without vga support? |
| 20:21.24 | PingFloyd | LLcoolM: only one way to find out -- trying it out |
| 20:21.27 | LLcoolM | what i still want to get rid of is this whole vga tty stuff, meaning linux could still show something in case there were a vga card inside. however: i think this is overkill |
| 20:21.47 | anjarp | I am trying to apt-get webmin, but I get an error when I try to install the package: "Package webmin has no installation cadidate" |
| 20:21.52 | PingFloyd | though personally, I wouldn't go that route-- compiling a kernel without any sort of video support |
| 20:21.57 | anjarp | why can't I install the package |
| 20:21.59 | LLcoolM | the less drivers loaded the better |
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| 20:22.02 | PingFloyd | especially vga |
| 20:22.15 | PingFloyd | it's not going to make much difference in performance |
| 20:22.23 | valdyn | LLcoolM: you have to worry about memory in the kb range? |
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| 20:22.32 | LLcoolM | valdyn: no |
| 20:22.39 | LLcoolM | at least not of main memory |
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| 20:22.48 | xingu | LLcoolM: CONFIG_EMBEDDED, pretty sure ~recent 2.6 can do it. |
| 20:22.49 | PingFloyd | that's like trying to clean your house by burning it to the ground |
| 20:22.53 | valdyn | LLcoolM: no point removing vga support then.. |
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| 20:23.00 | tralala | LLcoolM: the less you compile kernels the better. I have a headless system which works fine and I've setup a getty on the serial port for connecting a serial console there when needed. |
| 20:23.02 | scythe | hi |
| 20:23.06 | dogmeat | xingu: it uploading ftp site was throwing an error "Could not write to socket: Connection reset by peer" after about 2.1 GB, so i suspect that transferring two 1.25 GB part files should be ok |
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| 20:23.31 | scythe | I can't boot ia64 netinstall :/ anyone who knows something about this? |
| 20:23.40 | LLcoolM | tralala: i compile the kernel myself anyway, because i apply some patches that i need |
| 20:23.46 | xingu | dogmeat: maybe. or maybe the filesystem or stdio on the target system can't deal with >uint32-sized files. |
| 20:23.50 | pumpkin0 | dogmeat, xingu: the ftp is running on fat16/32 ? |
| 20:24.10 | PingFloyd | LLcoolM: it's a bit superfluous,don't you think? |
| 20:24.16 | pumpkin0 | scythe: are you sure you have a ia64 CPU ? |
| 20:24.16 | tralala | LLcoolM: still there's probably no point in disabling vga |
| 20:24.29 | scythe | Host/Kernel/OS "scythebox" running Linux 2.6.18.5-slh-smp-1 i686 [ sidux 2006 Chaos ] |
| 20:24.29 | scythe | CPU Info (1) Intel Core2 6400 @ 2048 KB cache flags( nx lm ) clocked at [ 2128.000 MHz ] |
| 20:24.29 | scythe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.29 | scythe | Videocard nVidia G70 [GeForce 7600 GT] X.Org 7.1.1 [ 1280x1024 @50hz ] |
| 20:24.29 | dogmeat | pumpkin0: checking |
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| 20:24.37 | LLcoolM | tralala: ok, then i leave it inside |
| 20:24.38 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 20:24.50 | valdyn | scoopex: why would you think that that is an itanium box? |
| 20:24.53 | valdyn | ops |
| 20:24.58 | scythe | sry for spamming :-o |
| 20:25.00 | simonrvn | and why do you think that's ia64? |
| 20:25.00 | pumpkin0 | scythe: that is a AMD64 CPU and has nothing to do with ia64. |
| 20:25.03 | valdyn | scythe: that's no itenium, use amd64 |
| 20:25.32 | xingu | "sidux" |
| 20:25.49 | scythe | but when I boot amd64, I get an error: http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~ceinig/tmp/DSC00257.JPG sorry it's german |
| 20:26.07 | blondie | we don't do german I'm afraid |
| 20:26.13 | blondie | please translate |
| 20:26.14 | abrotman | i would if she were hot |
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| 20:26.24 | valdyn | scythe: broken disk, not wrong installer |
| 20:26.26 | blondie | I would if he were hot :p |
| 20:26.42 | abrotman | using the daily or the rc1 ? |
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| 20:26.51 | LLcoolM | scythe: did you do stable or testing netinstall |
| 20:26.52 | scythe | daily |
| 20:26.57 | valdyn | scythe: its possible though that sarge's 2.6.8 kernel doesnt support your system |
| 20:26.59 | scythe | testing install |
| 20:27.02 | abrotman | try RC1 |
| 20:27.04 | xingu | scythe: its possible that your mirror is busted too. |
| 20:27.11 | LLcoolM | because i never got any netinstall working other than stable scythe |
| 20:27.15 | scythe | i386 install works without probs |
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| 20:27.30 | LLcoolM | testing netinstall was virtually always broken |
| 20:27.43 | scythe | xingu: at this point of install, I had not chosen any mirror. |
| 20:27.45 | LLcoolM | scythe: try stable netinstall and upgrade to testing after that |
| 20:27.51 | LLcoolM | thats the way i got around it |
| 20:27.58 | xingu | scythe: suggest you use a business card image, like the amd64 install howto says. :) |
| 20:28.17 | dogmeat | pumpkin0: lynx -dump -head <site> reports Unix server type |
| 20:29.07 | scythe | xingu: ok, will try. what are the differences? |
| 20:29.18 | xingu | scythe: "it worked for me" |
| 20:29.41 | scythe | xingu: an sidux is a new distri based on debian sid. www.sidux.com. |
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| 20:30.12 | xingu | gut instinct on form again, it was right, I don't want to know. :) |
| 20:30.15 | tralala | another sid offspring - just what everybody needs... |
| 20:30.19 | plutonas | hello, could someone, please name me some simple virtual terminals, like xterm? |
| 20:30.49 | xingu | mgt, gnome-terminal, rxvt, kterm probably |
| 20:30.49 | abrotman | xterm |
| 20:30.51 | tralala | plutonas: how about you use apt to search for then? |
| 20:30.59 | abrotman | aterm .. Eterm |
| 20:31.04 | tralala | them even |
| 20:31.06 | PingFloyd | the safe assumption with a sid offspring would be -- mileage may vary |
| 20:31.11 | ma3x | when I launch KDE sysguard it's automatically connected to localhost. But then if I disconnect, I can't connect again. It says connection to localhost has been lost. So what protocol should I specify. I mean how does it connect automatically when I launch kde sysguard? |
| 20:31.14 | xingu | dtterm |
| 20:31.26 | plutonas | tralala: and how do i know if they are simple ones, for example gnome-terminal isnt |
| 20:31.45 | PingFloyd | if it works for you. great. if not, don't be surprised :) |
| 20:32.16 | tralala | plutonas: debian packages have things like description that usually say a few words about the features |
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| 20:32.51 | plutonas | well thats right. tralala anyway, i dont like your style... |
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| 20:33.00 | tralala | PingFloyd: you'd be surprised |
| 20:33.03 | |zetetic| | hi |
| 20:33.30 | xingu | at a guess, you need to start by defining what exactly you mean by "simple" |
| 20:33.45 | xingu | because from where I sit, anything that requires a framebuffer, isn't. |
| 20:33.58 | |zetetic| | I installed debian, but when I first rum the command "aptitude install firestarter" that command started removing a bunch of necessary programs! |
| 20:34.13 | plutonas | xingu: i said like xterm, that means simple |
| 20:34.17 | |zetetic| | now it wants to remove gdm ! |
| 20:34.21 | valdyn | |zetetic|: like what? |
| 20:34.26 | PingFloyd | |zetetic|: sometimes packages will do that based upon 'conflicts' |
| 20:34.32 | |zetetic| | it wants to remove almost everything |
| 20:34.46 | xingu | xterm isn't exactly simple, it requires all of Xt to bootstrap |
| 20:34.48 | plutonas | i am happy with xterm, but it doesnt work with greek fonts, thats why i want to test simmilar ones |
| 20:34.56 | PingFloyd | |zetetic|: well, you might look at it's depends and conflicts and see if it makes sense |
| 20:35.00 | xingu | it also requires a goodly chunk of ncurses |
| 20:35.07 | |zetetic| | like openoffice.org, administrative packages, even gdm, and so on! |
| 20:35.13 | valdyn | uh, why would xterm not work with greek fonts? |
| 20:35.28 | |zetetic| | no, it makes no sense at all |
| 20:35.43 | |zetetic| | I installed deban etch 4 hours ago |
| 20:35.45 | PingFloyd | are you getting the right version for yours? |
| 20:35.45 | plutonas | xingu: this is what i mean simple... |
| 20:35.56 | PingFloyd | i.e. stable if you have stable installed |
| 20:35.59 | plutonas | valdyn: i dont know, i can see only the letter pi, |
| 20:36.06 | tralala | |zetetic|: can you reproduce the problem with debian stable? |
| 20:36.11 | |zetetic| | and when I first run aptitude install firestarter this command started removing a bunch os important packages |
| 20:36.12 | plutonas | and in gname-terminal or konsole they work |
| 20:36.32 | valdyn | plutonas: xterm supports unicode, you're having missing fonts or just are using the wrong font, xterm supports it |
| 20:36.37 | |zetetic| | I have installed debian etc, not debian sarge |
| 20:36.42 | zorton | are there good methods for filesystem level encryption? |
| 20:36.52 | xingu | valdyn: depending on age, if he's using bo's xterm it won't. :) |
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| 20:37.02 | valdyn | ! |
| 20:37.21 | tralala | |zetetic|: yep, got that and what I'm asking is do you get the same if you install debian sarge? |
| 20:37.35 | plutonas | valdyn: so i have to change some xterm fonts? how do i do this? i use the xterm from the debian repos |
| 20:37.43 | |zetetic| | I installed debian etch, not debian sarge |
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| 20:37.59 | |zetetic| | aptitude says a bunch of programs ARE UNUSED |
| 20:38.00 | valdyn | plutonas: i dont use xterm, google knows though, surely |
| 20:38.09 | |zetetic| | and then startes removing almost everything! |
| 20:38.15 | xingu | plutonas: first things first, do you have a valid test-case? what does echo $LANG say in your working gnome-terminal and non-working xterm? |
| 20:38.44 | valdyn | |zetetic|: put those unused programs into an 'aptitude install ...' line that'll fix that, there may be better methods, but this one works and is easy |
| 20:38.46 | |zetetic| | how can gdm, for instance, been unused?? |
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| 20:39.31 | |zetetic| | but aptitude has already unistalled a bunch os usefol and important programs |
| 20:39.37 | valdyn | |zetetic|: it just means that aptitude has no explicitely wanted package listed that is or depends on one of those unused |
| 20:40.31 | |zetetic| | what? I'm nor understanding anything |
| 20:41.01 | |zetetic| | aptitude removed many programs, including openoffice.org, and now it wants to remove even gdm ! |
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| 20:41.15 | jelly-home | |zetetic|: stop it? |
| 20:41.35 | valdyn | |zetetic|: i told you why, i told you how to fix, what's your problem? |
| 20:41.39 | yoshio | |zetetic|: look at /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README - that is the manual - look at the section Option:Aptitude::Keep-Unused-Pattern |
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| 20:42.14 | bhearsum | i'm getting an error when trying to mount my sata drive -- "mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only" /dev/sda1 is chmod 666 and so is /dev/sda -- anyone know how i can get it mounted rw? |
| 20:42.20 | |zetetic| | but aptitude has already removed a bunch of software and after that the system rebboted! |
| 20:42.50 | |zetetic| | so how can I know exactly what packages where removed? and how can I re-install them? |
| 20:42.52 | yoshio | |zetetic|: Description: If Aptitude::Delete-Unused is true, only unused packages which do |
| 20:42.53 | yoshio | not match this pattern (see the section called ``Search Patterns'') will be |
| 20:42.53 | yoshio | removed. If this option is set to an empty string (the default), all unused |
| 20:42.53 | yoshio | packages will be removed. |
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| 20:42.59 | xingu | you gotta admit that pruning gdm is probably not a good factory default to have |
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| 20:43.07 | valdyn | bhearsum: this has nothing to do with unix permissions, its writ-protected in hardware ( there is probably a switch ) or firmware ( is man hdparm ) |
| 20:43.15 | bhearsum | valdyn: okay, thanks for the hint |
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| 20:44.26 | |zetetic| | so gmd is an unused packages?? |
| 20:44.32 | |zetetic| | so gmd is an unused package?? |
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| 20:44.56 | valdyn | !sto |
| 20:44.56 | dpkg | i heard sto is security through obscurity, or little better than no security at all. If a program requires STO to function, odds are, it isn't secure. |
| 20:45.04 | xingu | |zetetic|: if the term "used" is defined as - is depended upon by something which has been explicitly installed - then its possible |
| 20:45.23 | valdyn | dpkg, sto is also to State The Obvious |
| 20:45.23 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
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| 20:45.52 | xingu | |zetetic|: surprising, annoying, liable to make one simultaneously search for a blunt object and the package maintainer, ... but possible. |
| 20:46.03 | yoshio | |zetetic|: as long as the packages were not "purged", I think it shows up in "dpkg -l" as status that is not "ii". I think removed packages show up as "rc" at the beginning. |
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| 20:47.21 | |zetetic| | well, but I have just finished a ebian installation, and I have not changed anything |
| 20:47.40 | |zetetic| | and the first time I have run aptitude this happens |
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| 20:48.04 | |zetetic| | I repeat: I have not changed anything, I had just finished the installation |
| 20:48.23 | abrotman | !repeat |
| 20:48.23 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:48.26 | |zetetic| | then I run aptitude update followed by aptitude install firestarter |
| 20:48.39 | xingu | it's a learning experience; so now having two holes where your feet used to be and a still smoking shotgun in your hand, you have a choice; start again, repair, or bellyache. |
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| 20:48.48 | |zetetic| | and then aptitude started removing almost everything |
| 20:48.52 | xingu | each have their costs and advantages |
| 20:48.57 | xingu | but it's fundamentally your choice. |
| 20:49.07 | |zetetic| | are you saying this is normal? |
| 20:49.58 | xingu | is it possible to do stupid things on a unixlike platform and cause an unmitigated disaster? yes. |
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| 20:50.41 | ciop | hello, im asking about bandwidth limiting using shorewall, if i wanna limit each computer on my network, do i have to enter all the ip address on tcrules? |
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| 20:51.19 | Smerdyakov | Does anyone know a way to make the standard ssh client send some kind of communication every few minutes that has no visible effect on the ssh session? My router imposes a very low time-out on connections, and I want to keep it from going into effect on ssh sessions. |
| 20:51.21 | |zetetic| | I have didn't stupid things, I have booted for the first time on the newly installed debian system! |
| 20:51.41 | xingu | Smerdyakov: rekey interval. |
| 20:51.51 | Smerdyakov | xingu, aha |
| 20:52.02 | yoshio | |zetetic|: after a fresh install, no it should not remove important packages like that. However, if there is a conflict among packages, apt-get or aptitude can try to resolve conflicts by removing packages, usually aptitude prompts you if you really want to go ahead and do the proposed action |
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| 20:52.10 | xingu | Smerdyakov: but preferably, take |zetetic|'s shotgun, reload, and aim the business end at that toy. |
| 20:52.11 | pumpkin0 | Smerdyakov: run "watch uptime" ... |
| 20:52.17 | xingu | Smerdyakov: life's short |
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| 20:52.51 | Smerdyakov | pumpkin0, how can I make that have no visible effect on the ssh session? |
| 20:52.58 | Zap-W | mtr is pretty |
| 20:52.59 | |zetetic| | but aptitude said it removed packages because they were UNUSED, not because there where conflicts |
| 20:53.29 | pumpkin0 | Smerdyakov: hmm... do X-forwarding and run a xload remotly ? |
| 20:53.42 | Smerdyakov | pumpkin0, xingu's suggestion sounds promising, so I'll try it. |
| 20:53.55 | |zetetic| | not because of clonflicts but because those packages where UNUSED - I eman |
| 20:54.04 | |zetetic| | not because of conflicts but because those packages where UNUSED - I eman |
| 20:54.10 | |zetetic| | I mean |
| 20:54.10 | ciop | anyone? |
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| 20:54.43 | xingu | Smerdyakov: actually it'll need to be serveraliveinterval |
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| 20:55.20 | xingu | Smerdyakov: was thinking of a commercial ssh implementation I use at work; the openssh implementation only supports a byte-based rekey interval, not a timebased one it seems from an initial manpage skim |
| 20:55.25 | Smerdyakov | xingu, good, that seems like it could even make sense without my router trouble. :) |
| 20:55.43 | xingu | Smerdyakov: but really, tip some coke on the router and house'n'contents claim your way to a higher plane. |
| 20:55.53 | heatman | could someone pls give me a link to the infotmation regarding whats contained on each cd for debian 31r4-i3? |
| 20:56.13 | yoshio | Smerdyakov: man ssh_config, in addition to looking at serveraliveinterval, look at TCPKeepAlive |
| 20:56.15 | valdyn | !cd contents |
| 20:56.16 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 20:56.29 | vta | does anyone know how to make ircii to show own nick as in "<nick> text" instead of "> text" ? |
| 20:56.42 | heatman | valdyn: ty |
| 20:56.45 | Smerdyakov | yoshio, you think I should use both? |
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| 20:57.10 | yoshio | Smerdyakov: I've never used these options |
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| 20:57.51 | xingu | Smerdyakov: the default for TCPKeepAlive is yes in any case; and the timer is not configurable from the looks, I'd guess it's just used as a socket option |
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| 20:58.09 | xingu | Smerdyakov: so it'll use whatever your system default (for tcp so_keepalive or whatever the heck) is |
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| 20:58.38 | xingu | Smerdyakov: a new router, and serverkeepalive is the go |
| 20:58.42 | Smerdyakov | OK, I've opened my first connection with ServerAliveInterval set to nonzero. I'll see if this fixes it. Thanks, everyone! |
| 20:58.43 | loopdee | hmm, having a bit of trouble getting the disks detected on the ata raid controller, i figure they should be detected by the kernel and a device created in /dev ? |
| 20:59.07 | xingu | Smerdyakov: is there a reason why bricking and replacing that piece of crud is not an option? :) |
| 20:59.22 | pumpkin0 | loopdee: that depends on the kernel (devfs ?) and the RAID-controller. |
| 20:59.28 | Smerdyakov | xingu, I have other things I'd rather do with my time. |
| 20:59.42 | loopdee | pumpkin0: how to tell ? |
| 21:00.08 | pumpkin0 | loopdee: start be finding out which RAID-controller chip is installed. |
| 21:00.36 | loopdee | Integrated Technology Express, Inc. IT/ITE8212 |
| 21:00.59 | pumpkin0 | loopdee: now find you which kernel-module takes care of that one. |
| 21:01.06 | loopdee | hmmm |
| 21:01.27 | yoshio | |zetetic|: I don't remember the last time my system said packages were unused, so look at /etc/apt/apt.conf, see if there is some directive in there accidently put in by the maintainer |
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| 21:02.20 | loopdee | pumpkin0: think maybe the it8212 |
| 21:02.38 | pumpkin0 | loopdee: is that module loaded ? (lsmod ?) |
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| 21:02.58 | xingu | I think the ite8212 is "raid" in so far as you get a pretty bios option to store your disk layout |
| 21:03.13 | loopdee | no, modprobe it8212 cant find it |
| 21:03.22 | xingu | it's about as "raid" as my converse allstars is what I'm getting at. |
| 21:03.32 | loopdee | yea its a cheap one |
| 21:03.35 | pumpkin0 | loopdee: which kernel-version to you have ? |
| 21:03.43 | xingu | it's deceptive marketing is what it is |
| 21:03.44 | loopdee | 2.6.8 |
| 21:04.06 | pumpkin0 | loopdee: and /lib/modules contains that module ? |
| 21:04.12 | loopdee | ill check |
| 21:04.39 | RvGaTe | Is there an app for debian etch to connect to Windows netmeeting? |
| 21:05.10 | valdyn | RvGaTe: ekiga i guess |
| 21:05.12 | loopdee | just did updatedb and locate it8212 and nothing |
| 21:05.17 | xingu | aah, perhaps not |
| 21:05.26 | xingu | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=109131643012574&w=2 |
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| 21:06.02 | loopdee | nice |
| 21:06.15 | xingu | not merged yet |
| 21:06.21 | loopdee | i have 2 disks connected to it, not raid just independent |
| 21:06.30 | loopdee | not merged ? into the krenel ? |
| 21:06.37 | xingu | seems that way |
| 21:06.40 | loopdee | ahh |
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| 21:06.59 | xingu | ask yourself a question loopdee - do you feel lucky? |
| 21:07.04 | xingu | well, do you? :) |
| 21:07.29 | loopdee | lol, i feel like cheap hardware like this should only be used in windows unless it is know to work in linux and has supprt |
| 21:07.46 | RvGaTe | valdyn, so if i use ekiga, i can host a converance, and someone on windows, using netmeeting can connect? |
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| 21:07.53 | xingu | aah, I take that back too, we have it821x.c |
| 21:08.00 | xingu | this is promising. |
| 21:08.05 | loopdee | heh |
| 21:08.28 | xingu | loopdee: do you have it821x.ko ? |
| 21:08.42 | loopdee | no i do not |
| 21:08.52 | yoshio | |zetetic|: looking at the README, in the section "Managing automatically installed packages", it says that manually installing a package automatically brings in dependencies, which are marked "installed automatically". If the manually installed package is removed, the "installed automatically" packages are also removed as unused. it tells you how to change that status |
| 21:09.08 | xingu | loopdee: looks like your choices are - a 2.6.17+ backport; or moving to sid |
| 21:09.28 | xingu | loopdee: newer kernel image should just work |
| 21:09.28 | loopdee | ok, i think i can handle the backport |
| 21:09.41 | loopdee | ill give it a shot |
| 21:09.48 | xingu | /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/ide/pci/it821x.ko |
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| 21:10.41 | loopdee | i see you have it |
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| 21:11.14 | dondelelcaro | dooglus: if you didn't figure it out yet, you left because the servers went down; then when they came back, the +J and/or +l limits were hit, and people went to #debian-overflow instead. |
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| 21:13.57 | fatsheep | hey I just installed debian etch and for some reason my normal account "fatsheep" was not created so I logged in as root and tried to create it. But I keep on getting this message when I try: "The Application "users-admin" has quit unexpectedly." |
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| 21:14.47 | abrotman | how are you trying to create it ? |
| 21:14.51 | loopdee | its downloading newest kernel from backports..... hopfully nothing blows up :) |
| 21:15.01 | gentgeen__ | I keep getting "There are no public key available for the following key IDs" -- it says running apt-get update should fix, but doesn't |
| 21:15.06 | gentgeen__ | so what do I do next? |
| 21:15.25 | abrotman | gentgeen__: /topic |
| 21:15.29 | yoshio | |zetetic|: do the removed packages show up when you do ==> dpkg -l |sort | grep -v "^ii" |
| 21:15.36 | fatsheep | abrotman: if you're talking to me, Desktop>Administration>Users and Groups... |
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| 21:16.00 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, sorry, should have looked there first |
| 21:16.18 | reber | hi. how to install nginx on debian ? I tried to make my own backport but it failed with : wrong version of debhelper. What can i do ? |
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| 21:16.28 | abrotman | fatsheep: ever thought to try adduser ? |
| 21:16.31 | PingFloyd | fatsheep: you could try using useradd or adduser instead, the latter is a nicer way |
| 21:16.35 | ivx | hey i got 3.1r4 and it won't let me boot from the cd. I think i read somewhere you have to change something to the disk to get it to work. does anyone know what |
| 21:18.12 | EnsignRedshirt | I'm having some trouble getting the time set properly. I used "date -s 16:12:40" to set the time to 4:12 PM. It responded with "Sat Dec 9 16:12:40 EST 2006", which looks fine. But when I use the "date" command, it says, for example "Sat Dec 9 21:17:25 UTC 2006", the clock in the top gnome panel shows 9:17, and email sent with evolution shows the time as 9:17. |
| 21:18.19 | MoonGladeGal | when sending email from my server to hotmail, it gets put in their junk mail box. I've got an A record and MX... any idea why its' doing this? |
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| 21:19.10 | AmGull | i am going to compile a new kernel ,the souurces i get from debian servers - is good to apply debian patches witch are in package ? |
| 21:19.11 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 21:19.11 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 21:19.16 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: see above. |
| 21:19.27 | EnsignRedshirt | ...and according to the "Time and Date" program in System Tools, my time zone is set correctly. |
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| 21:19.51 | fatsheep | adduser worked |
| 21:19.54 | fatsheep | thanks |
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| 21:20.13 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: it may be set correctly for your user, but the systemwide timezone (at least at the time your shell started) was UTC. |
| 21:21.16 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: you can change it using tzconfig at the console, or you can just TZ=EST date; |
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| 21:22.04 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: look at /etc/timezone , and make sure /etc/localtime is a symlink to something like /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific |
| 21:22.08 | EnsignRedshirt | tzconfig says my current time zone is US/Eastern (which is correct) |
| 21:22.57 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: ok; then log out and log back in. |
| 21:23.32 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro: Before I do that, do you expect the time zone will change when I log back in? |
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| 21:23.42 | Miles_Prower | Request for information: From CLI, how do you determine the following about an AVI file: Frame size, frame rate, codec? |
| 21:23.44 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: one way to find out |
| 21:24.17 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: ..one way to find out what dondelelcaro thinks will happen? That is to ask him, I think... :) |
| 21:24.47 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: the timezone is set correctly now, but it's quite likely that you've either got TZ set in your shell, or it was UTC (or an invalid timezone) when you started whatever program you're using. |
| 21:24.52 | solid_liq | anyone know a repo for libdvdcss and win32codecs? |
| 21:25.07 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: so long as TZ=EST date; returns the proper time, everything should be ok. [And indeed, it is 21:17:25 UTC...] |
| 21:25.37 | yoshio | Miles_Prower: try "file filename.avi" |
| 21:25.39 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: I find the best way to find things out, is to try things, but that's just me. |
| 21:26.26 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: Yes, of course, but I just wanted to know what to expect, or *why* dondelelcaro wanted me to log out. |
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| 21:27.00 | solid_liq | for etch that is (win32codecs & libdvdcss) |
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| 21:27.37 | johan_ | Any of you has an example of an open source project that is maintained but with no demand(with almost no users outside its maintainers)) |
| 21:27.48 | RvGaTe | Hurray, another windows user switching to linux after seeing my linux... i gave him the debian etch cd, and he is going to install it on his machine tonight :) |
| 21:28.16 | Ixodes | what does your's look like? |
| 21:28.18 | Miles_Prower | THANK YOU, SOLID_LIQ |
| 21:28.27 | Miles_Prower | oops, sorry. my KVM does that time to time. |
| 21:28.33 | dondelelcaro | johan_: there are quite a few; some of the really specialized programs are like that. |
| 21:28.51 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro: TZ=EST date; shows "Sat Dec 9 16:28:42 EST 2006". |
| 21:28.52 | johan_ | any name you could give me |
| 21:29.08 | johan_ | i'm writing a paper and would like to drop a couple of examples |
| 21:29.29 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: then the time is set correctly, and the only thing that is wrong is/was your timezone or TZ env variable when you started whatever programs have it wrong. |
| 21:30.19 | Miles_Prower | solid_liq, any way there's a windows version of this, so my site could be portable? |
| 21:30.57 | solid_liq | Miles_Prower: your site? |
| 21:31.02 | johan_ | dondelelcaro any example come to mind |
| 21:31.16 | Miles_Prower | Aye, it's going to be called by php in a file listing of a folder of AVI's. |
| 21:31.44 | johan_ | i need example to support a point that open source development is mostly supply driven |
| 21:32.06 | dondelelcaro | johan_: I'd check with freshmeat; you should be able to search there for projects which are active but are not very popular. Most of the ones I'm vaguely aware of are in very limited scientific areas; many of which deal with fields where there are probably less than a hundred people working on it. |
| 21:32.08 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro: In a shell, TZ is not set. I stopped and restarted evolution, sent an email, and it still used 9:30 instead of 4:30. |
| 21:32.35 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro: Would logging out and in again "fix" that? |
| 21:33.03 | johan_ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 21:33.05 | RvGaTe | Are there a series of screenshots of the Debian installer? |
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| 21:33.24 | RvGaTe | im trying to guide someone trough the installer over msn |
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| 21:34.10 | madriss | is there an easy way you can recommend to get debian working with my USB memory stick? |
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| 21:34.46 | madriss | ive looked around online and only found one helpful guide and which i don't understand lol |
| 21:34.48 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: quite a few, depends which ones you're looking at. |
| 21:35.14 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, the install process |
| 21:35.37 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: evolution (actually any program) inherits environment variables from the shell or program that spawned it, type "set" or "env" to see them. If you log out and log back in, you should be OK |
| 21:35.57 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: for which installer? |
| 21:36.24 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio: TZ is not set. |
| 21:36.50 | EnsignRedshirt | EnsignRedshirt: I'll be back... |
| 21:36.50 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: it may not be set now, but it quite clearly was when you started. |
| 21:36.56 | RvGaTe | dondelelcaro, the standart etch installer, blue background, grey windows, black text... ugly-style |
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| 21:37.31 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro: ? I have not (consciously, anyway) done anything to "unset" it. |
| 21:37.33 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: I don't have TZ set either, but I still get the proper timezone. Is /etc/localtime set to something like /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific |
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| 21:37.51 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg0KES_hZN0 FE. |
| 21:38.17 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: my BIOS time is UTC, and I have UTC=yes in /etc/default/rcS , and you said /etc/timezone was OK |
| 21:38.24 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio: What kind of file is /etc/localtime supposed to be? It is not a symlink here. |
| 21:39.05 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: on my system, it wasn't a symlink either, but on knoppix it was - it's set to /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific |
| 21:39.23 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: it's a copy of whatever the proper timezone is. |
| 21:39.29 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: do a diff between /etc/localtime and /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Easater |
| 21:40.00 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: s/Easater/Eastern/ |
| 21:40.06 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio: OK, they are the same. |
| 21:40.12 | PingFloyd | on my system it's a symlink to the timezone file |
| 21:40.28 | dondelelcaro | It was a symlink until recently |
| 21:40.32 | PingFloyd | localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Central |
| 21:40.35 | PingFloyd | like so |
| 21:41.07 | EnsignRedshirt | I have UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS |
| 21:41.07 | dondelelcaro | however, it was decided that that was a bad idea; primarily because it requires /usr to be mounted to get the zone information |
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| 21:41.32 | PingFloyd | did they change that in etch? |
| 21:41.46 | dondelelcaro | PingFloyd: it's been changed in tzconfig and tzselect for a while now |
| 21:42.06 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: so is your BIOS time set to your local time? If so, you should be OK, just log out and log back in |
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| 21:43.19 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: just hit CTRL-ALT-F2 to get a virtual terminal, login, and type "date" and see if it is OK if you don't want to log out immediately |
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| 21:44.28 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio: OK, I tried that, "date" gave me the UTC time (9:44 etc), |
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| 21:45.20 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio: I mean 21:44 |
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| 21:46.33 | EnsignRedshirt | ...and TZ is not set there, either. |
| 21:47.26 | yoshio | madriss: insert USB stick, you can type "dmesg" to see the output, or maybe it shows up, then type "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/floppy", and you can see the filesystem at /mnt/floppy. type "umount /mnt/floppy" before removing the usb |
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| 21:48.33 | solid_liq | I love how helpfull people in this channel are |
| 21:48.53 | solid_liq | universal answer to all questions (if there's a response at all): go to this nonexistant #channel |
| 21:49.18 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: then you need to run tzconfig and tell the system that the default timezone should be US/Eastern. |
| 21:49.18 | unlink | solid_liq: /join #debianrtfm |
| 21:49.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mozilla_commits_to_collaborating_with_Linux_distros |
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| 21:49.35 | solid_liq | unlink: 'zactly |
| 21:49.58 | solid_liq | unlink: even if the question isn't answered by the manual |
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| 21:51.01 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: please don't do that |
| 21:51.02 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: does "date -u" give the 21:44 time? |
| 21:51.04 | unlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:51.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I just thought it was relevant to Debian |
| 21:51.13 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro: When I run tzconfig, the first thing it says is "Your current time zone is set to US/Eastern." |
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| 21:51.21 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: it is .. but it's been noted many places |
| 21:51.23 | eeyore- | solid_liq: #debian people generally frown upon decss and stuff |
| 21:51.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Oh. I didn't know, sorry. |
| 21:51.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | eeyore-: I don't. :) |
| 21:51.51 | eeyore- | solid_liq: besides, if you "want debian", you tend to stay to mainstream (e.g., official) repositories |
| 21:52.06 | eeyore- | Dark_Apostrophe: me neither |
| 21:52.08 | solid_liq | eeyore-: people here also frown upon asking questions relevant to debian, such as why apt screwed up on you |
| 21:52.23 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio: Both "date" and "date -u" give 21:52 |
| 21:52.31 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio: ...UTC |
| 21:52.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | solid_liq: Some people. They just drop the RTFM bomb. :) |
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| 21:53.31 | reber | hi. http://pastebin.ca/273407 Any ideas ? |
| 21:53.51 | solid_liq | Dark_Apostrophe: my problem is, I know linux well (used slackware for a few years, plus gentoo, redhat, suse, mandrake and several smaller distros) and I just need debian specific help, but no one here ever gives me any |
| 21:54.20 | solid_liq | Dark_Apostrophe: or they just criticize instead |
| 21:54.20 | superchounet | on sid there is currently pb of dependences ? |
| 21:54.21 | reber | "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall" .... But the installation failed... Is this debian bricked ? (sarge) |
| 21:54.30 | abrotman | superchounet: it's sid .. it happens |
| 21:54.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | solid_liq: I've experienced the same thing myself. |
| 21:54.35 | madriss | is the settings "sync, noexec, nodev, noatime" ok for USB mounting or will it wear out my drive quicker? |
| 21:54.42 | jelly-home | reber: that package is. |
| 21:54.43 | eeyore- | solid_liq: well, i *can't* give you debian-specific help because it's been a while since i used debian :-> |
| 21:54.57 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: if date is returning UTC, it's clearly not set to US/Eastern. |
| 21:55.05 | abrotman | !tell solid_liq about refcard |
| 21:55.18 | eeyore- | solid_liq: but i still remember some things about it, but not where special projects are located |
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| 21:55.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | reber: If you can run it, it's not bricked. Unfortunately, I can't help you with this one, I got no idea. |
| 21:55.25 | solid_liq | eeyore-: lol |
| 21:55.29 | jelly-home | reber: I'd edit the init script, put "exit 0" at the beginning (right after the first line), then purge and reinstall. |
| 21:55.32 | abrotman | solid_liq: what are you looking for ? |
| 21:55.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: decss and stuff |
| 21:55.42 | dendrite | reber: does apt-get -f install help? |
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| 21:55.55 | solid_liq | abrotman: dpkg never talks to me, and it's creator doesn't seem to care enough to fix it |
| 21:56.06 | eeyore- | abrotman: libdvdcss, actually, was what he said |
| 21:56.10 | abrotman | solid_liq: if you /msg dpkg hi .. nothing works ? |
| 21:56.17 | reber | "jelly-home> reber: that package is." Where is this init script ? I didn't found nginx.prerm |
| 21:56.19 | abrotman | solid_liq: doesn't come up in another window ? |
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| 21:56.32 | eeyore- | dpkg: libdvdcss |
| 21:56.32 | dpkg | i guess libdvdcss is NOT in debian - USA residents who even utter its name can expect to be shipped to Guantanamo Bay. for filthy patent-free europeans, see /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian or see <marillat> |
| 21:56.33 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: indeed, what tzconfig returns at the start is what is in /etc/timezone, not the actual timezone that /etc/localtime is. |
| 21:56.35 | solid_liq | abrotman: nope, nothing |
| 21:56.45 | solid_liq | abrotman: watch |
| 21:56.46 | jelly-home | reber: init script --> probably /etc/init.d/nginx |
| 21:56.49 | madriss | when i edit something using nano, how can i get it to permanently write the changes? |
| 21:56.53 | solid_liq | !hi |
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| 21:57.04 | dondelelcaro | madriss: C-o |
| 21:57.13 | madriss | ctrl+x then y then enter is what im doing at the moment and it forgets it after reboot |
| 21:57.15 | jelly-home | !test |
| 21:57.16 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 21:57.16 | superchounet | abrotman why ? if a package is avaliable why there is no all dependences ? |
| 21:57.19 | abrotman | solid_liq: debian-multimedia.org iirc |
| 21:57.29 | madriss | does that mean ctrl+o ? |
| 21:57.30 | abrotman | superchounet: could be any number of reasons |
| 21:57.36 | solid_liq | abrotman: tyvm! |
| 21:57.39 | dondelelcaro | madriss: yes; that writes the file out, iirc. |
| 21:57.48 | madriss | ah thanks very much |
| 21:57.50 | abrotman | solid_liq: the bot hates you .. i'm sure there's a reason |
| 21:57.51 | madriss | that'll save me some time lol |
| 21:57.54 | jelly-home | solid_liq: is your nickname registered? If it isn't, you might not be getting private /msg from the bot |
| 21:58.05 | solid_liq | jelly-home: yep |
| 21:58.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: he didn't get a response to !hi |
| 21:58.12 | jelly-home | !hi |
| 21:58.12 | dpkg | hello, jelly-home |
| 21:58.16 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 21:58.32 | EnsignRedshirt | dondelelcaro, yoshio: I think it is fixed now. For whatever reason, when I first ran tzconfig, it told me that the current time zone was US/Eastern, so I *didn't change it* (that is, I just quit tzconfig). This time, even though tzconfig said the current time zone was US/Eastern, I went throught the steps to change it to US/Eastern, and now my clock has the correct time. :) |
| 21:58.39 | jelly-home | Who's the bot master? |
| 21:58.47 | dondelelcaro | !owner |
| 21:58.47 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 21:58.59 | streuner | apt, who owns you? |
| 21:59.04 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 21:59.04 | Ixodes | humm... some one know how to use ( iceape+gnash ) ? |
| 21:59.13 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: can you check out why dpkg wouldn't respond to solid_liq's !hi ? |
| 21:59.20 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: because he's being ignored. |
| 21:59.32 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: he's already asked me about it, and been informed. |
| 21:59.42 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 21:59.50 | madriss | is there a way to create a shortcut to a folder on the desktop? its only letting me do shortcuts to applications |
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| 22:00.14 | pantalaimon_ | how can we manually delete shortcuts on the menu? i removed the package but it didnt remove the shortcut |
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| 22:00.26 | dondelelcaro | pantalaimon_: if you purge the package, it should go away. |
| 22:00.27 | scythe | hi again :) |
| 22:00.35 | reber | jelly-home, thanks a lot it worked :) (the removal at least) |
| 22:00.44 | dondelelcaro | pantalaimon_: alternatively, you may need to run update-menus. |
| 22:01.05 | pantalaimon_ | dondelelcaro, i did purged it |
| 22:01.13 | yoshio | EnsignRedshirt: cool! |
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| 22:01.42 | pantalaimon_ | dondelelcaro, update-menus didnt work,,, |
| 22:01.46 | dondelelcaro | EnsignRedshirt: it told you that because it reports what /etc/timezone says, which isn't what anything else uses. /etc/localtime is the file that actually tells the system how to calculate the current itme. |
| 22:01.50 | astropanic | hi Everybody, how I Can setup Debian Sarge on a SATA drive ? |
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| 22:02.08 | dondelelcaro | astropanic: depends on what chipset you have. |
| 22:02.15 | EnsignRedshirt | yoshio, dondelelcaro: Thanks for you help. The first line printed by tzconfig is deceiving; I would call that a bug. |
| 22:02.29 | EnsignRedshirt | s/you help/your help/ |
| 22:02.46 | scythe | I've installed "testing businesscard image amd64" but after booting I get this error, don't know how to handel. the root partition and fstab is correct http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~ceinig/tmp/DSC00258.JPG |
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| 22:03.24 | astropanic | I have a Centrino platform laptop |
| 22:03.30 | dondelelcaro | astropanic: please keep it in the channel; I'm likely to disappear at any moment. |
| 22:04.04 | EnsignRedshirt | ciao |
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| 22:04.10 | jelly-home | astropanic: does booting with "linux26" work? |
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| 22:05.03 | madriss | any idea how to make my usb stick writeable. its letting me read but not write |
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| 22:05.12 | jelly-home | astropanic: (work as in, your sata disk gets recognized) |
| 22:05.19 | RvGaTe | How hard is it to get Beryl working with Debian Etch and XFCE ? |
| 22:05.25 | cahoot | madriss: try /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 22:05.33 | madriss | ok thanks :) |
| 22:05.39 | abrotman | does xfce have a seperate WM ? |
| 22:05.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes. |
| 22:06.35 | madriss | that's clever |
| 22:07.01 | reber | jelly, btw i had this problem after trying to make the backport of nginx, and i think i made this backport the right way. Any ideas ? |
| 22:07.07 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: how hard is it to run beryl at all, btw? |
| 22:07.08 | yoshio | madriss: do "mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda1 /mnt/floppy" at the command line |
| 22:07.25 | reber | s/jelly/jelly-home |
| 22:07.26 | RvGaTe | jelly-home, dunno, never tried it :S |
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| 22:07.36 | jelly-home | reber: yeah, that's me too. |
| 22:07.43 | odla | RvGaTe, beryl is very easy to set up on debian |
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| 22:08.07 | RvGaTe | odla, but does it work with xfce? becouse all the movies on youtube are with gnome |
| 22:08.14 | odla | RvGaTe, yes |
| 22:08.20 | madriss | thanks yoshio |
| 22:08.21 | jelly-home | odla: does it provide an x-window-manager alternative at all? |
| 22:08.23 | RvGaTe | odla, any guides on the internet ? |
| 22:08.26 | madriss | do i need to unmount it first |
| 22:08.27 | abrotman | movies on youtube are with gnome ? |
| 22:08.41 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know which of the Nvidia video card's is best for 3D games and works on the latest X.Org and Latest Kernel |
| 22:08.49 | jelly-home | RvGaTe: have you done "/msg dpkg beryl" yet? |
| 22:08.51 | odla | !beryl |
| 22:08.52 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 22:08.53 | scythe | xingu: can you help me? I installed the business card amd64 image, but get this error while booting http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~ceinig/tmp/DSC00258.JPG |
| 22:09.17 | odla | jelly-home, it provides beryl which is a wm |
| 22:09.26 | madriss | i tried "umount /dev/sda1" it says device is busy |
| 22:09.29 | madriss | can i just unplug it? |
| 22:09.40 | odla | madriss, close that directory |
| 22:09.44 | odla | madriss, then umount |
| 22:09.55 | madriss | yeah i have its still saying it |
| 22:10.01 | yoshio | madriss: you are probably cd' into that directory, type "cd" to get out of it |
| 22:10.01 | cahoot | madriss: lsof |
| 22:10.11 | madriss | good point yoshio lol |
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| 22:10.19 | madriss | oh no im not |
| 22:10.23 | jelly-home | odla: I know that. I'm asking about whether all the Debian wm stuff is implemented in those packages, can I choose beryl on startup in gdm/kdm? |
| 22:10.24 | madriss | im cd into home |
| 22:10.41 | odla | jelly-home, no you run beryl-manager in kwin or metacity |
| 22:10.46 | madriss | lsof gave a really long list of stuff and then stopped |
| 22:10.50 | jelly-home | odla: eh, sucks |
| 22:10.51 | madriss | i did umount and same error |
| 22:10.53 | yoshio | madriss: you started a program while in that directory, so kill that program, use lsof to find that program |
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| 22:11.03 | odla | jelly-home, you don't select it from a *DM |
| 22:11.07 | madriss | i copied a directory over from the USB stick thats all |
| 22:11.10 | reber | jelly-home,do you have any ideas of what i could do : i had this problem after trying to make the backport of nginx, and i think i made this backport the right way. |
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| 22:11.49 | jelly-home | reber: sounds like your init script isn't adequate |
| 22:11.55 | DavidProck1981 | about beryl, has any one on Debian Etch installit and get it working |
| 22:12.30 | jelly-home | DavidProck1981: considering "<odla> RvGaTe, beryl is very easy to set up on debian" I'd say yes |
| 22:12.38 | PingFloyd | madriss: are you using gnome? |
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| 22:12.48 | DavidProck1981 | well i did it and....... |
| 22:12.51 | odla | jelly-home, ha ha |
| 22:12.52 | paroneayea | anyone here use LUKS? |
| 22:12.55 | reber | jelly-home, what could be the dependancies of the init script ? (i'v taken nginx backport from sarge-source) |
| 22:13.04 | zrin | I have a amd64 system (Athlon 64 X2), but dpkg-architecture says i386; when trying dpkg-architecture -aamd64 (I'd like to build a k8 kernel), I'm getting warning "x86_64-linux-gnu does not match gcc system" - can someone pls enlighten me? |
| 22:13.09 | reber | s/sarge-source/etch-src |
| 22:13.22 | jelly-home | reber: I don't know why it fails, you'll have to debug it yourself. |
| 22:13.32 | reber | ok, thanks |
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| 22:13.43 | jelly-home | reber: put "set -x" in it at the beginning at see which command fails |
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| 22:14.23 | valdyn | zrin: your cpu runs both, amd64 ( 64bit ) and i386(32bit) code, you installed a 32bit system |
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| 22:14.42 | muhkuh | hello, can someone here help me to figure out a problem with postfix smtp auth here - please query me |
| 22:14.48 | valdyn | zrin: now you cant really run 64bit software on your 32bit kernel |
| 22:14.58 | DavidProck1981 | when ever i go to play a movie with xine the movie and sound is way off track and the video skips and as SOON as i close out xine my os crashes and i back at the login screen and it does it on Some 3D games but not all |
| 22:15.12 | zrin | valdyn: I thought I've installed amd64 system (amd64 etch) (?!?) |
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| 22:15.17 | DavidProck1981 | that is after i installed beryl |
| 22:15.24 | DavidProck1981 | jelly-home ? |
| 22:15.26 | croddy | have you tried uninstalling beryl |
| 22:15.34 | jelly-home | reber: ... first I'd try installing it again, maybe it would work the second time around ;-) |
| 22:15.37 | valdyn | zrin: uname -r knows |
| 22:15.47 | valdyn | !tell croddy -about polls |
| 22:15.54 | DavidProck1981 | it hade so many dependices i dont know where to start |
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| 22:16.12 | jelly-home | DavidProck1981: sounds like crappy drivers |
| 22:16.18 | DavidProck1981 | and at that it dont work and has a odd side affect |
| 22:16.28 | zrin | valdyn: well that is the kernel versio, now 2.6.17.7-k8-zrin ... |
| 22:16.38 | croddy | valdyn: don't be an ass |
| 22:16.42 | valdyn | zrin: so no debian kernel |
| 22:16.44 | christos | hello I have written a script and I want my system load it every time That I will log in kde where I have to copy the script |
| 22:16.45 | christos | ? |
| 22:16.56 | valdyn | croddy: dont ignore channel etiquette |
| 22:16.57 | jelly-home | DavidProck1981: easiest thing to do is not to use 3D (beryl included) |
| 22:17.14 | valdyn | zrin: file /bin/ls |
| 22:17.17 | zrin | valdyn: is there a way to tell if I have really installed amd64 or (mistakenly) i386? |
| 22:17.42 | zrin | valdyn: Intel 80386 :( ... hmm |
| 22:17.47 | croddy | valdyn, i was asking mr. prock if he had tried removing beryl. if you're not going to pay attention, don't spam people with bot messages. |
| 22:18.05 | DavidProck1981 | when i try to use it, all resize boarders the the blue bar u drag windows with, all of them go away and Alt+Tab will not work |
| 22:18.16 | zrin | valdyn: what are my options now? it is a server at a remote location |
| 22:18.25 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: try harder ... |
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| 22:18.40 | DavidProck1981 | sorry about the yoU |
| 22:18.42 | p33k4y | hello |
| 22:19.04 | valdyn | zrin: its possible to reinstall an amd64 debian from remote but dont even try if you have to ask without someone knowledgable there or nearby |
| 22:19.12 | p33k4y | what would happen if i "apt-get install" a specific package, and it's present in 2 mirrors of sources.list ? |
| 22:19.32 | zrin | valdyn: ok, thanks alot |
| 22:19.38 | valdyn | zrin: or just go with 32-bit debian |
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| 22:19.50 | valdyn | zrin: depending what you need its a non-issue |
| 22:19.53 | jelly-home | p33k4y: the first one gets used |
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| 22:20.10 | jelly-home | p33k4y: (if the versions are the same) |
| 22:20.17 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:20.19 | zrin | valdyn: I understand that ... (I'll reinstall later because of vmware server) |
| 22:20.38 | p33k4y | let's say "xchat" is present in 2 sources, will apt-cache search display it twice ? |
| 22:20.47 | centrx | apt-cache show will |
| 22:20.51 | jelly-home | p33k4y: try it (yes) |
| 22:21.15 | DavidProck1981 | when i go to use beryl as it is crashing when the screen is all black Just for a Micro Second i see a error message about glib something, go's by to fast to read it |
| 22:21.30 | p33k4y | aight thanx :) |
| 22:21.35 | jelly-home | p33k4y: sorry. apt-cache search _won't_ display it twice. |
| 22:21.36 | p33k4y | for the help |
| 22:21.37 | abrotman | ask #beryl . it's not in debian yet |
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| 22:21.40 | p33k4y | ah |
| 22:21.48 | valdyn | p33k4y: if its 2 different versions yes, but if both have the same version the one appearing first in /etc/apt/sources.list is taken |
| 22:21.49 | jelly-home | p33k4y: try "apt-cache policy xchat", however |
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| 22:21.54 | streuner | !beryl |
| 22:21.55 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 22:22.21 | yoshio | !lsof |
| 22:22.21 | dpkg | somebody said lsof was LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 22:22.26 | p33k4y | what does "candidate" version mean ? |
| 22:22.53 | jelly-home | p33k4y: it's a candidate for installation. apt-get will consider it on upgrades. |
| 22:23.18 | p33k4y | ah |
| 22:24.03 | p33k4y | 1 more questions, the drivers are usually in the kernel or in the distribution packages ? |
| 22:24.16 | streuner | DavidProck1981: so where you got those packages from? |
| 22:24.20 | valdyn | p33k4y: most drivers are part of the kernel |
| 22:24.22 | yoshio | madriss: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-lsof.html |
| 22:24.49 | valdyn | p33k4y: non-free, rejected, new drivers are packaged extra |
| 22:24.58 | p33k4y | hmm |
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| 22:25.29 | valdyn | p33k4y: non-free by linus / gpl definition, drivers non-free for debian but free to be in linux kernel tree are a special case |
| 22:25.35 | DavidProck1981 | http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 22:25.38 | p33k4y | let's suppose i installed debian from scratch on a portable hdd, do you think i would be able to boot on any system or i would need a liveCD distro ? |
| 22:25.51 | madriss | i used "mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda1" and i still cant copy files onto my USB stick. is it because im not root? if so, how can i make it work without being root |
| 22:25.58 | valdyn | p33k4y: you would need a livecd |
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| 22:26.09 | jelly-home | valdyn: why? |
| 22:26.16 | valdyn | p33k4y: you _could_ prepare a debian system to boot on most hardware |
| 22:26.35 | p33k4y | how ? |
| 22:26.46 | valdyn | jelly-home: because debian live systems have only required drivers in the initrd, ssytems with different hardware requireing drivers to boot won't work |
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| 22:27.22 | jelly-home | valdyn: (I'm assuming the BIOS is capable of booting from the usb disk) |
| 22:27.42 | p33k4y | any of you guys using ubuntu too or you don't touch it ? |
| 22:27.44 | valdyn | jelly-home: still need the drivers for the usb controller then, fortunately that's only 2, so just 1 to add |
| 22:27.46 | jelly-home | valdyn: oh... it wouldn't be too hard to put all the drivers in initrd would it? |
| 22:28.17 | valdyn | jelly-home: for usb its easy |
| 22:29.08 | valdyn | jelly-home: uhci, ohci, ehci or somesuch |
| 22:29.37 | madriss | can i enable write access to my USB for my user account? |
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| 22:29.46 | madriss | its still only letting me read with "mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda1" |
| 22:29.57 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 22:29.57 | p33k4y | i was thinking maybe ubuntu would be easier to boot from a portable hdd but the thing is i cant build a system from scratch |
| 22:29.57 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 22:30.05 | ivx | hey i am trying to install debian to an sata drive but it can't see it. How do i do this |
| 22:30.15 | zrin | is it possible to have a 32bit debian with a kernel compiled for a/the amd64 CPU? |
| 22:30.21 | valdyn | p33k4y: its probably safe to assume that both distros use a similar approach there |
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| 22:30.28 | madriss | thanks |
| 22:30.35 | valdyn | zrin: yea |
| 22:30.41 | p33k4y | valdyn, similar approach ... driver speaking ? |
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| 22:31.05 | valdyn | p33k4y: in that the initrd will only contain the required drivers for that specific system by default |
| 22:31.10 | DavidProck1981 | madriss: do 'you' have a line in your fstab to mount it |
| 22:31.24 | madriss | i'm just going to check my fstab, not sure |
| 22:31.31 | madriss | where is the fstab file |
| 22:31.36 | zrin | valdyn: how can I set target CPU to amd64? |
| 22:31.40 | p33k4y | valdyn, the ubuntu install disk boots as a live cd before you install it ... does it change once you install ? |
| 22:31.43 | DavidProck1981 | let me think lol |
| 22:31.52 | valdyn | zrin: i know nothing about cross compiling |
| 22:31.53 | madriss | lol |
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| 22:32.37 | valdyn | p33k4y: i dont run ubuntu, im just guessing that you pick a specialised kernel at some point during installing ubuntu, or that is done automagically |
| 22:32.53 | madriss | i found fstab |
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| 22:33.03 | DavidProck1981 | /etc/ |
| 22:33.12 | shafire | hello, can someone help me... how can i save apache2 that vhost users can't not beake out from their dir? |
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| 22:33.25 | madriss | at the moment it has: "usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs noauto,user 0 0 |
| 22:33.28 | p33k4y | i see |
| 22:33.32 | Guerin | shafire: you misunderstand how apache works |
| 22:33.48 | muhkuh | hello, can someone here help me to figure out a problem with postfix smtp auth here - please query me |
| 22:33.49 | shafire | Guerin, i think too.. |
| 22:34.06 | shafire | Guerin, i want to host my friends... :o) |
| 22:34.07 | madriss | i'l try changing it to the one dpkg said |
| 22:34.13 | shafire | Guerin, is their a solution? |
| 22:34.16 | Guerin | shafire: suggest you begin reading http://httpd.apache.org |
| 22:34.27 | DavidProck1981 | did u have it pluged in when you was setting up the system |
| 22:34.32 | Guerin | shafire: i have no idea what you actually want, so there is no solution I can give you. |
| 22:34.50 | madriss | no |
| 22:34.53 | Guerin | muhkuh: /msg dpkg postfix howto |
| 22:34.58 | valdyn | p33k4y: look at which package owns your mkinitrd tool, there's a config file listing modules to include in your initrd, once you have a system running its easy to just add more drivers to that text file and simply reinstall the kernel package |
| 22:34.59 | madriss | but i did add that line myself using some guide that i didnt understand lol |
| 22:35.12 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 22:35.19 | shafire | Guerin, i want that every user have a dir, where they can't not break out ... some php scripts... |
| 22:35.31 | p33k4y | valdyn, i'll have to add all the available drivers then ... |
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| 22:35.44 | DavidProck1981 | dont understand is, dont do it, that is what i learned |
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| 22:35.47 | valdyn | p33k4y: yep |
| 22:36.02 | madriss | ok i'l remember that ;) |
| 22:36.05 | p33k4y | valdyn, i cant figure what mkinitrd is |
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| 22:36.05 | streuner | DavidProck1981: some users reported that beryl doesn't work well with some videocards, you should ask in #beryl as abrotman told you before. |
| 22:36.10 | madriss | can i leave out gid=GROUPID ? |
| 22:36.15 | madriss | not sure if i even setup groups |
| 22:36.32 | Guerin | shafire: your statement still makes no sense. |
| 22:36.38 | baikonur | "sHe[15]" is spamming: "http://www.foo.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
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| 22:36.46 | Guerin | shafire: i suggest you find a more specific explanation for what you want to achieve |
| 22:36.58 | Guerin | shafire: you might want to search on 'user dir' or such |
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| 22:37.03 | DavidProck1981 | ya ya streuner in windows my video card is a god, but in linux it SUCKS |
| 22:37.13 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: so use windows |
| 22:37.21 | DavidProck1981 | windows sucks |
| 22:37.23 | abrotman | please |
| 22:37.24 | PingFloyd | totally different systems |
| 22:37.24 | shafire | Guerin, i want to stop hosted user breaking out of their home dir... |
| 22:37.25 | shafire | ? |
| 22:37.32 | valdyn | p33k4y: its just a tool you dont need to know much about, but it belongs to a package having config files in /etc |
| 22:37.38 | Guerin | shafire: THAT DOES NOT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE IN APACHE |
| 22:37.38 | PingFloyd | what hold true for one OS may not for another, and vice versa |
| 22:37.49 | streuner | DavidProck1981: mail videocard manufactors to NOT provide infos linux need... |
| 22:37.52 | valdyn | p33k4y: and one of those config files contains modules being added to initrd upon kernel deb install |
| 22:37.54 | shafire | Guerin, mhm... |
| 22:38.03 | abrotman | shafire: you don't want symlinks followed ? |
| 22:38.10 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 22:38.13 | yoshio | madriss: you have a line like "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat rw,noatime,nodev,noexec,umask=022 0 0" in your /etc/fstab? |
| 22:38.14 | shafire | no |
| 22:38.16 | Guerin | shafire: apache has no client controls to keep clients *in* a dir, only to keep them *out* |
| 22:38.20 | DavidProck1981 | did u make a word'O |
| 22:38.21 | enouf_ | Guerin: can you speak up a tad please? :-P |
| 22:38.22 | yoshio | madriss: did you try "lsof /mnt/floppy" ? |
| 22:38.33 | madriss | i didn't but im putting that line in now |
| 22:38.35 | p33k4y | valdyn, i cant understand anything of what you're saying i think i should try the portable HDD thingie when i get a bit more experience lol |
| 22:38.37 | madriss | i'll try that lsof |
| 22:38.42 | zbrown_ | I'm currently using xserver-xorg-core version 1.1.1-11 and xserver-xorg version 7.1.0-7 and I need to downgrade. Does anyone know where the older etch packages are? |
| 22:38.47 | Guerin | shafire: a client can by definition access ANY directory served by apache |
| 22:38.54 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: try harder |
| 22:38.54 | valdyn | p33k4y: probably, or google for a solution that someone else has done |
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| 22:39.11 | sid | zbrown_: Why do you want to downgrade? |
| 22:39.14 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 22:39.14 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 22:39.16 | valdyn | zbrown_: ^^^ |
| 22:39.40 | msikma | Hello everybody. I'm currently questing for TTF fonts of obscure languages. Does anybody know if there's some kind of apt-get index for fonts that I can look at? |
| 22:39.41 | zbrown_ | sid, my system is displaying various apps wrong, and the only connection I can find is the server or the kernel |
| 22:39.46 | shafire | Guerin, but you understand me what i want? i want, that users can not break out with their scripts from their home dir.... |
| 22:39.49 | msikma | I juts got a Tibetan font and am now looking for a Sindhi font. |
| 22:39.49 | cydork | w00t 2.6.18 in etch :P |
| 22:40.00 | zbrown_ | sid, and I just upgraded recently, and that's when the problem started |
| 22:40.05 | valdyn | msikma: ttf-dejavu, if you dont have that yet |
| 22:40.06 | abrotman | shafire: ask #apache |
| 22:40.13 | yoshio | msikma: apt-cache search font ? |
| 22:40.16 | DavidProck1981 | what the fuck, do lsof by its self |
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| 22:40.45 | msikma | Thanks for the suggestions, let's see now |
| 22:40.48 | yoshio | msikma: do not use the "?" in that line |
| 22:41.14 | msikma | Lots of font packages :-) |
| 22:41.48 | yoshio | madriss: if you add "user" to the options, then any user can mount/umount that filesystem |
| 22:41.53 | zbrown_ | I tried an FTP mirror, but it didn't have older versions of packages. |
| 22:42.03 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 22:42.03 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 22:42.52 | yoshio | madriss: so did "lsof /mnt/floppy" help? |
| 22:42.52 | zbrown_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:42.54 | tuxedup | does the debian etch kernels 2.6.18+5 have bootsplash support compiled in? |
| 22:43.39 | DavidProck1981 | tuxedup: i dont know lol |
| 22:44.12 | madriss | sorry yoshio |
| 22:44.15 | madriss | just reoboting |
| 22:44.19 | madriss | i edited my fstab |
| 22:44.48 | PumpkinPie | anyone has had to resolve a high IOwait issue before? |
| 22:44.51 | DavidProck1981 | madriss: did u loging as root to do it |
| 22:44.59 | muhkuh | Guerin those tutorial use different methods of authentication and are not usefull in finding m error |
| 22:45.02 | zbrown_ | this is so frustrating... |
| 22:45.03 | DavidProck1981 | 'you' |
| 22:45.06 | madriss | havnt tried it logged in as root yet |
| 22:45.24 | DavidProck1981 | i was just wondering |
| 22:45.46 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I don't see any packages at all on that server |
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| 22:45.59 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I can search, but the directories are all nearly empty |
| 22:46.08 | abrotman | they're there |
| 22:46.15 | msikma | I have a font that I'd like to install, but how would I do that? Do I need to copy it to a folder, or register it somehow? |
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| 22:46.18 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: do you know what IOwait is ? |
| 22:46.21 | abrotman | tuxedup: do you know the config option ? |
| 22:46.28 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: it's a patient process |
| 22:46.48 | valdyn | msikma: ~/.fonts is a good place for tff fonts |
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| 22:47.22 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: I should be working with configuration or I should be upgrading to raid solutions etc? |
| 22:47.38 | valdyn | PumpkinPie: could aswell be your network |
| 22:47.40 | msikma | valdyn: now do I just need a restart for it to become working? |
| 22:47.45 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: fo rwhat ? |
| 22:47.46 | valdyn | msikma: nah |
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| 22:48.06 | zbrown_ | abrotman: xserver-xorg-core is not on that server |
| 22:48.09 | valdyn | msikma: just the application using that font, maybe ( depending on the app ) |
| 22:48.11 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: to solve high io wait issues |
| 22:48.15 | ongeboren | how do i get rid of the message in nautilus saying, that a .mpg file is actually of type "MPEG" and refusing to open it when i click on it. to do it i need to right click it and select open with this or that player or rename the file to .mpeg ? |
| 22:48.57 | MatBoy | cydork, beer ? |
| 22:49.05 | p33k4y | im off, thanx for the help valdyn and jelly |
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| 22:49.22 | zbrown_ | oops |
| 22:49.26 | zrin | where can I find hints/FAQ/HOWTO on how to build a kernel for amd64 while keeping 32bit userland? |
| 22:49.29 | cydork | MatBoy: sure :P |
| 22:49.40 | MatBoy | cydork, I'm out of.. give me some :p |
| 22:49.59 | cydork | MatBoy: just finished the last one ;) |
| 22:50.16 | madriss | should i have not removed my usbdevfs line from fstab |
| 22:50.18 | yoshio | msikma: you may have to type "xset fp rehash", or set a directory, see man page for xset |
| 22:50.26 | madriss | i reoved that and added the new line |
| 22:50.33 | madriss | but its not mounted automatically |
| 22:50.36 | madriss | i thought thats what it did |
| 22:50.53 | tuxedup | abrotman: I am afraid I dont understand what you mean. I was under the impression that if support was not included, I would have to recompile and enable the bootsplash option in the kernel config option before compiling |
| 22:50.57 | abrotman | it's there |
| 22:51.15 | abrotman | tuxedup: right .. do you know hte "CONFIG_BLAHBLAH=asdf" option ? |
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| 22:51.55 | tuxedup | abrotman: afraid not. I will havr to go and google all this. I was hoping it would be something easy to do. I will google it now. Thanks for the help |
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| 22:52.14 | abchirk | !ops sHe[15] spammin on join..blabla redhat and asterisk too |
| 22:52.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: sHe[15] spammin on join..blabla redhat and asterisk too |
| 22:52.15 | abrotman | tuxedup: if you'd like .. i can paste the config somewhere for you |
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| 22:52.35 | tuxedup | abrotman: ok then if you ciould, cheers |
| 22:53.26 | abchirk | !beer abrotman |
| 22:53.52 | abrotman | tuxedup: http://pastebin.ca/273470 |
| 22:53.58 | abrotman | !coffee abchirk |
| 22:54.03 | nalioth | abchirk: did you say something? |
| 22:54.07 | abchirk | ahhh ;) |
| 22:54.15 | abchirk | bu you re not on the opslist? |
| 22:54.17 | abchirk | +t |
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| 22:55.03 | zbrown_ | abrotman: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/xorg-server doesn't list the current etch version of 7.1.0-7 |
| 22:55.13 | zbrown_ | abrotman: or anything like it |
| 22:55.22 | enouf_ | especially no pr0n spam |
| 22:55.38 | abrotman | zbrown_: which package ? |
| 22:55.50 | abrotman | !info xserver-xorg-core etch |
| 22:55.57 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-core: (X.Org X server -- core server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.1.1-11 (etch), Packaged size: 3513 kB, Installed size: 9964 kB |
| 22:56.08 | abrotman | it's the first one there |
| 22:56.08 | MatBoy | cydork, I just digged one out :) |
| 22:56.17 | tuxedup | abrotman: so I replace the surrent config file with the one you pasted? If so which directory is this /boot? |
| 22:56.18 | abrotman | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/11/25/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-server/ |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | tuxedup: you'd have to compile a kernel |
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| 22:56.37 | zbrown_ | abrotman: xorg-server |
| 22:56.55 | tuxedup | abrotman: ok dokie, I thought that was what I would have to do anyway. Thanks |
| 22:57.12 | cydork | MatBoy: damn you :P |
| 22:58.03 | madriss | yoshio? |
| 22:58.14 | abrotman | zbrown_: i think it's there |
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| 22:58.16 | MatBoy | cydork, you can buy it |
| 22:58.22 | abrotman | zbrown_: and realistically .. it's a metapackage probably |
| 22:58.34 | zbrown_ | abrotman: part of the problem is that my browsers are broken during this problem... |
| 22:58.51 | madriss | i did lsof /myusbdirectory |
| 22:59.02 | zbrown_ | abrotman: yes, its probably a metapackage, meaning lots of dependency problems when I try to downgrade |
| 22:59.19 | madriss | it says "famd 1251 root 109r DIR 3,1 4096 1934030 /myusbdirectory |
| 23:00.00 | abrotman | zbrown_: why are you downgrading ? |
| 23:00.28 | zbrown_ | abrotman: because various apps don't properly display text; tested under two seperate wms |
| 23:00.47 | abrotman | zbrown_: still ? |
| 23:00.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:00.55 | zbrown_ | abrotman: yeah :-( |
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| 23:01.03 | zbrown_ | abrotman: it completely sucks |
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| 23:01.13 | abrotman | zbrown_: are you sure this will even fix it ? |
| 23:01.19 | zbrown_ | abrotman: nope |
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| 23:01.36 | stoned | hola |
| 23:01.39 | stoned | what up homies |
| 23:01.40 | yoshio | madriss: the usbfs line is also in /etc/mtab, don't remove it. If you have "noauto" as an option, it won't mount it automatically on boot (see the man page for mount) |
| 23:01.55 | zbrown_ | abrotman: but I'm sure it's not a graphics library, because it affects apps using different libraries |
| 23:02.04 | abrotman | zbrown_: could be a font engine |
| 23:02.33 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I doubt it's the font engine because someone sshed to my system and was able to run the apps without seeing the effect |
| 23:02.54 | acurax | how do i re-install GRUB? |
| 23:02.56 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I assume they were using the same font engine I am, just viewing the result on their system |
| 23:03.50 | zbrown_ | abrotman: the server and the kernel seem like the only things left to test |
| 23:04.03 | PingFloyd | zbrown_: what exactly is this effect you're talking about? |
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| 23:04.23 | abrotman | zbrown_: you might want to ask #debian-kde or #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 23:04.41 | yoshio | madriss: "famd" is holding that directory open, restart famd or kill it ( sudo /etc/init.d/fam restart ) |
| 23:05.07 | zbrown_ | PingFloyd: in firefox, various text renders as horizontal lines, almost at random. Mousehover sometimes fixes it. This is the same with mozilla, kivio, psi, and gaim. Also tested under both fvwm and enlightenment. |
| 23:05.13 | zbrown_ | abrotman: tx |
| 23:05.31 | zbrown_ | abrotman: but I don't use either of those systems |
| 23:06.16 | abrotman | maybe ask #xorg ? |
| 23:06.46 | zbrown_ | abrotman: ok |
| 23:06.53 | madriss | ah thanks yoshio |
| 23:07.11 | abrotman | zbrown_: just to try to get an idea of where to look |
| 23:07.26 | zbrown_ | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 23:07.38 | madriss | that worked :D |
| 23:07.38 | stoned | are there any CLI accessebility tools, one that can zoom in/out ? |
| 23:07.41 | abrotman | zbrown_: to try to nail down a package to look for a problem in |
| 23:07.59 | zbrown_ | abrotman: I'd sure like to |
| 23:08.01 | DavidProck1981 | hay all check this out http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1273350&CatId=2036 |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | please don't spam us |
| 23:08.15 | madriss | still doesn't let me write when logged in on my account though |
| 23:08.16 | madriss | i can only read |
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| 23:08.21 | zbrown_ | abrotman: right now I beleive it's the xserver. |
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| 23:08.31 | abrotman | zbrown_: but there are tons of packages |
| 23:08.31 | zbrown_ | abrotman: downgrading is seeming difficult though |
| 23:08.35 | PingFloyd | is it only happenning with those two wms but works fine in other ones? |
| 23:08.36 | zbrown_ | abrotman: yes |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | zbrown_: did you try a different package ? |
| 23:08.38 | madriss | i'm restarting with umask=022 as it was 002 |
| 23:08.41 | madriss | maybe that will help |
| 23:08.43 | abrotman | zbrown_: erm .. different driver :) |
| 23:08.47 | zbrown_ | abrotman: different from what? |
| 23:08.47 | stoned | DavidProck1981, #hardware |
| 23:08.51 | zbrown_ | ah |
| 23:08.58 | stoned | DavidProck1981, direct your questions about hardware there |
| 23:09.12 | DavidProck1981 | ist not spam |
| 23:09.12 | zbrown_ | abrotman: no |
| 23:09.12 | DavidProck1981 | that is hot |
| 23:09.19 | abrotman | it's spam |
| 23:09.24 | DavidProck1981 | oh |
| 23:09.25 | stoned | no it isnot |
| 23:09.35 | stoned | it is not stupid, pointless, annoying, however it is a message |
| 23:09.38 | stoned | you're partially right |
| 23:09.56 | zrin | where can I find hints/FAQ/HOWTO on how to build a kernel for amd64 while keeping 32bit userland? |
| 23:10.20 | stoned | DavidProck1981, just letting ya know, all your hardware questions if you have any can be directed to #hardware |
| 23:10.26 | schme | zrin: You want to do what now? |
| 23:10.30 | DavidProck1981 | oh |
| 23:10.56 | schme | zrin: It seems easier to run a 32bit kernel then (: |
| 23:10.56 | DavidProck1981 | later |
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| 23:11.08 | zrin | schme: yes, I'd like to see how much work it would be |
| 23:11.41 | schme | zrin: Or just enable 32bit support in the amd64 kernel. It should work without any problem.. ? |
| 23:11.53 | yoshio | madriss: did you add "rw" to the options line in /etc/fstab, or add it to you CLI line? |
| 23:12.13 | zrin | schme: I have mistakenly installed an i386 system on amd64 hardware, it is a remote machine |
| 23:12.28 | madriss | yoshio one moment i'll copy out my lines in fstab and the one im doing in terminal |
| 23:12.37 | madriss | is it easier to msg it to you? |
| 23:12.45 | PingFloyd | zbrown_: is the effect only with certain WMs while it works fine in others (assuming the fonts are the same to begin with)? |
| 23:13.06 | zrin | schme: I plan to use vmware server on it so I'd like to have a 64 bit kernel |
| 23:13.08 | yoshio | madriss: i'm leaving very soon, so do it here |
| 23:13.37 | madriss | usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs noauto,user 0 0 |
| 23:13.37 | madriss | /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB vfat rw,noatime,nodev,noexec,uid=aerith,gid=1000,umask=022 0 0 |
| 23:13.42 | schme | zrin: It is really not a problem to run an i386 kernel on amd64... but if you really want a 64bit kernel I am quite sure compiling one with 32bit support and booting it would work just great. |
| 23:13.44 | madriss | mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB |
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| 23:14.22 | zrin | schme: how can I set target CPU to amd64 for the buid process? |
| 23:14.26 | yoshio | madriss: you should be able to do "mount /home/aerith/Desktop/USB" once it is in /etc/fstab |
| 23:14.26 | madriss | umask was 002 its now 022, just trying it with the 022 |
| 23:14.56 | madriss | i am able to do mount |
| 23:15.00 | madriss | but it ojnly lets me read not write |
| 23:15.02 | schme | zrin: Of course you'd still be using i386 libraries, and all tools would be i386.. :) |
| 23:15.27 | zrin | schme: 32 bit userland, I understand that |
| 23:15.27 | schme | zrin: Hrm.. can't you just set the CPU type to amd64 when you compile a new kernel? |
| 23:15.59 | madriss | still only letting me read |
| 23:16.05 | yoshio | if it's already mounted, then do "mount -o remount,rw /home/aerith/Desktop/USB", otherwise, unmount then remont |
| 23:16.08 | zrin | schme: setting it in the kernel config does not change the gcc target cpu (?) |
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| 23:17.03 | zrin | schme: so kernel will know it is an amd64, but machine code would be for i386, i.e. using only 8 registers etc. |
| 23:17.05 | madriss | it worked but it still only lets me read from the drive not write to it |
| 23:17.15 | zrin | schme: ... if I got that correctly |
| 23:17.22 | madriss | is one of my settings wrong |
| 23:17.50 | schme | zrin: Hrm... darn. It seemed so easy. |
| 23:18.06 | schme | zrin: to be honest I have no idea if you are right or wrong (: |
| 23:18.38 | schme | zrin: I thought it compiled as amd64 64-bit code if you set it to amd64 :S |
| 23:19.10 | yoshio | madriss: type "mount" does it say it is rw? |
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| 23:19.44 | yoshio | madriss: are the permissions on /home/aerith/Desktop/USB allow rw ? |
| 23:19.54 | madriss | dev/sda1 on /home/aerith/Desktop/USB type vfat (rw,noexec,nodev,noatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022) |
| 23:20.08 | madriss | i dont know but i created that directory under the account im using so it should be? |
| 23:20.11 | schme | zrin: Google gave me this http://www.moduli.net/articles/2006/06/21/compiling-x86_64-kernels-on-debian-i386 |
| 23:20.13 | zrin | what I could do is build a kernel on another amd64 machine ... is there any danger in trying to boot a 32 bit debian with an amd64 kernel? |
| 23:21.06 | abrotman | zrin: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:21.24 | yoshio | madriss: typing "cd /home/aerith/Desktop/USB ; touch test" says not allowed? |
| 23:21.26 | zrin | abrotman: make a 64bit kernel while keeping 32bit userland |
| 23:21.32 | abrotman | sarge already has that |
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| 23:21.57 | madriss | permission denied |
| 23:22.24 | schme | zrin: The article seems to solve it anyhoo :) |
| 23:22.39 | yoshio | madriss: type "id", is your uid/guid right? |
| 23:22.44 | zrin | abrotman: I have mistakenly installed 32bit debian where I wanted amd64; it is a remote machine ... I'd like to compile a 64bit kernel for it |
| 23:22.59 | madriss | uid=1000(aerith) gid=1000(aerith) |
| 23:23.07 | madriss | in fstab i put uid=1000,gid=1000, |
| 23:23.18 | madriss | is that right |
| 23:23.35 | abrotman | zrin: apt-cache search kernel 64 |
| 23:23.43 | schme | zrin: make ARCH=x86_64 menuconfig && make ARCH=x86_64 CC=amd64-linux-gcc |
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| 23:24.19 | zrin | schme: that sounds like compiling for amd64 |
| 23:24.21 | yoshio | madriss: I only have "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat rw,noatime,nodev,noexec,umask=022 0 0", didn't bother with uid/gid in /etc/fstab |
| 23:24.37 | schme | zrin: No really. Read the article I gave you the URL to :) |
| 23:24.42 | madriss | ok il try removing that |
| 23:24.50 | madriss | do i need to reboot for changes to fstab tot ake affect? |
| 23:24.54 | zrin | schme: I am - thank you! |
| 23:24.57 | yoshio | madriss: no |
| 23:25.08 | schme | zrin: There is a script you need I see. Oh well. |
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| 23:25.29 | madriss | still said cannot touch 'test' permission denied |
| 23:25.31 | yoshio | madriss: just for grins, as root, touch a file in your usb directory |
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| 23:25.34 | madriss | then it told me i got new mail lol |
| 23:25.45 | madriss | ok |
| 23:26.07 | madriss | it worked as root |
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| 23:27.04 | yoshio | madriss: add "user" to your options line |
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| 23:27.32 | madriss | like user,rw,noatime,nodev,noexec,umask=022 ? |
| 23:27.41 | madriss | added that and still says permission denied lol |
| 23:28.01 | yoshio | did you unmount then remount? |
| 23:28.02 | madriss | oh no hold on |
| 23:28.12 | madriss | ok done that |
| 23:28.13 | madriss | still dnied |
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| 23:30.36 | madriss | im tryin logging out and back in now, it only lets me unmount logged out so that might help |
| 23:31.07 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 sarge |
| 23:31.10 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD64 systems), section admin, is extra. Version: 103sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 23:31.13 | madriss | still permission dnied |
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| 23:31.59 | madriss | should usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs noauto,user 0 0 be there? |
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| 23:33.02 | yoshio | madriss: type "id", are you a member of the floppy group? |
| 23:33.18 | madriss | yeah |
| 23:33.20 | madriss | 25(floppy) |
| 23:35.01 | madriss | i did properties on the folder |
| 23:35.10 | madriss | apparently it belongs to root |
| 23:35.23 | madriss | and only owner can modify content |
| 23:36.02 | yoshio | madriss: usbdevfs should be left in /etc/mtab , but I don'thave it in /etc/fstab |
| 23:36.42 | madriss | usbdevfs isnt in mtab on mine |
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| 23:36.52 | yoshio | madriss: change folder owner to you rather than root |
| 23:36.55 | madriss | but somehow the other one is: " |
| 23:36.55 | madriss | /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,umask=022 0 0 |
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| 23:37.13 | madriss | how do i do that with chown? " |
| 23:37.13 | madriss | chown: changing ownership of `/home/aerith/Desktop/USB': Operation not permitted |
| 23:37.25 | madriss | maybe cos its mounted |
| 23:37.55 | madriss | yeah |
| 23:37.59 | yoshio | if it's owned by root, you can't change it. as root, do chown aerith.aerith /home/aerith/Desktop/USB |
| 23:38.29 | madriss | yeah i did it as root but i think cos it was mounted it wudnt let me. i logged out of aerith and it worked. now gnoa try it again |
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| 23:39.25 | mooseman447 | hey |
| 23:39.38 | h3xis | hey |
| 23:39.53 | madriss | hey |
| 23:39.56 | madriss | right great i own it now lol |
| 23:40.07 | mooseman447 | how do i enable gnome on a currently text debian install? |
| 23:40.36 | madriss | it still doesnt let me copy files to it though!!! :| |
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| 23:41.45 | yoshio | mooseman447: aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:42.10 | mooseman447 | yea did that only with apt-get install and after a super long time it finished and i rebooted and logged in but nothing |
| 23:42.28 | yoshio | mooseman447: install gdm ? |
| 23:42.29 | schme | mooseman447: Did you install gdm? |
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| 23:42.31 | PingFloyd | did you type startx? |
| 23:42.37 | mooseman447 | no i didnt install gdm yet |
| 23:42.43 | mooseman447 | or startx alright ill try those |
| 23:42.56 | PingFloyd | if you have gdm installed, should boot up there by default |
| 23:42.59 | schme | startx might not start gnome at all (: |
| 23:43.05 | PingFloyd | but if not, then type startx at a virtual console |
| 23:43.07 | madriss | ok so.. i moved the usbdevfs into mtab, and removed it from fstab, and i made the folder so that im the owner of it. |
| 23:43.15 | madriss | in fstab i have: /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB vfat rw,noatime,nodev,noexec,user,umask=022 0 0 |
| 23:43.23 | madriss | i mounted using: mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB |
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| 23:43.27 | madriss | and still wont let me write to it |
| 23:43.38 | enouf_ | madriss: kde? |
| 23:43.42 | madriss | yeah |
| 23:43.47 | enouf_ | hehe .. |
| 23:43.51 | madriss | lol |
| 23:44.03 | madriss | is it a kde thing then |
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| 23:44.40 | enouf_ | madriss: change /etc/fstab to /media/usb .. then symlink it to your home/aerith/Desktop/USB .. keep kde dead for all this |
| 23:44.51 | yoshio | madriss: type "mount" and make sure you have the options you want |
| 23:44.56 | RvGaTe | Is there a repository somewhere to get the latest version of nvidia-glx ? |
| 23:45.06 | RvGaTe | or could i grab it from sid? |
| 23:45.13 | madriss | from mount: /dev/sda1 on /home/aerith/Desktop/USB type vfat (rw) |
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| 23:45.36 | yoshio | madriss: from mount: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/usb type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,umask=022,user=yoshio) |
| 23:45.40 | madriss | enouf_: thanks, will try that in a minute |
| 23:45.53 | enouf_ | madriss: most likely (that or famd or someshit).. vfat certainly has some built in fort knox protection for a FS that doesn't have the ability to have permissions |
| 23:46.41 | madriss | how do i get mine like urs then yoshio |
| 23:46.59 | yoshio | madriss: type sudo umount /home/aerith/Desktop/USB ; sudo /etc/init.d/famd stop , then try again |
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| 23:47.48 | madriss | what to do to try again? |
| 23:47.53 | madriss | it'll do the same thing i think? |
| 23:48.03 | yoshio | sudo /etc/init.d/fam stop |
| 23:48.12 | mooseman447 | ok installed gdm rebooting now |
| 23:48.33 | kombi | which version of stable is right for intel core 2? |
| 23:48.36 | madriss | ok its stopped |
| 23:48.38 | yoshio | unmount, then type "mount /home/aerith/desktop/USB" |
| 23:49.09 | madriss | mount: can't find /home/aerith/desktop/USB in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 23:49.18 | kombi | ..since that supports 64 Bit.. |
| 23:49.18 | enouf_ | capital D for Desltop |
| 23:49.19 | madriss | oh nm sorry |
| 23:49.23 | madriss | yeh lol thakns |
| 23:49.29 | madriss | ok done |
| 23:49.32 | madriss | now login and try again? |
| 23:49.44 | yoshio | you don't have to login/logout |
| 23:49.53 | PingFloyd | better yet, use tab completion |
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| 23:49.54 | madriss | it doesnt let me umount if im logged in :s |
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| 23:50.03 | madriss | it says its busy |
| 23:50.22 | enouf_ | madriss close ALL other browsers and crap |
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| 23:50.34 | enouf_ | er ALL .. not other |
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| 23:50.38 | madriss | yeah i do lol. it still doesnt. i logged out to do all that |
| 23:50.40 | madriss | logged in again now |
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| 23:50.44 | yoshio | if your current directory is that USB directory, then it will be busy, type "cd /" to stay out of there |
| 23:50.49 | madriss | i did touch tset and permission is still denied |
| 23:51.12 | enouf_ | madriss: Sarge ? |
| 23:51.13 | yoshio | type "mount", and see what options it says are active |
| 23:51.17 | madriss | yep think so |
| 23:51.36 | madriss | dev/sda1 on /home/aerith/Desktop/USB type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,umask=022) |
| 23:51.45 | madriss | with a / before dev |
| 23:51.59 | yoshio | hmm, "user" is missing, is it in /etc/fstab ? |
| 23:52.14 | madriss | ins fstab: |
| 23:52.14 | madriss | /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB vfat rw,noatime,nodev,noexec,user,umask=022 0 0 |
| 23:52.23 | xingu | user is a hint to mount(1) not an option passed to mount(2) |
| 23:52.36 | mooseman447 | ok when it booted i got an xserver problem it said GDM: Xserver not found then some other stuff |
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| 23:52.44 | xingu | aah suid how I love thee, let me count the ways |
| 23:53.16 | PingFloyd | mooseman447: sounds like you don't have X installed |
| 23:53.20 | mooseman447 | isnt gnome x? |
| 23:53.27 | nvz | heh no |
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| 23:53.39 | PingFloyd | IIRC, I had to install some X packages also, and that gnome didn't automatically pull them in |
| 23:53.53 | yoshio | madriss: type "ls -ld /home/aerith/Desktop/USB" - are the permissions OK? |
| 23:54.00 | kombi | anyone running a core duo cpu here? |
| 23:54.14 | mooseman447 | oh what should i install then because "xserver" has no candidate |
| 23:54.14 | madriss | er btw root is the owner again now :\ |
| 23:54.22 | xingu | kombi: core2duo |
| 23:54.40 | PingFloyd | when I install mine, I only put on base from installer and build up with aptitude(kind of like what it sounds like you're trying to do), but it's been awhile. |
| 23:54.48 | kombi | xingu: do you use a 64Bit version of debian on it? |
| 23:54.50 | madriss | its made root owner again for some reason |
| 23:54.54 | madriss | defiant bloody machine |
| 23:55.03 | xingu | kombi: yes, amd64 |
| 23:55.04 | enouf_ | madriss: rw,umask=000,users is all you want .. also chmod -R aerith:aerith /mnt/usb .. mount your drive either there or /media/anything |
| 23:55.05 | war95 | solid_liq: that will work too |
| 23:55.21 | kombi | xingu: stable? |
| 23:55.30 | solid_liq | war95: unfortunately I don't have any files that won't fit in my ram |
| 23:55.34 | xingu | kombi: sid |
| 23:55.39 | enouf_ | madriss: forget about mtab for now .. alter fstab only |
| 23:55.42 | solid_liq | war95: so I guess bonnie++ it is |
| 23:55.49 | madriss | ok |
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| 23:56.29 | Miles_Prower | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_species |
| 23:56.35 | madriss | chmod: invalid mode string: `aerith:aerith' |
| 23:56.36 | kombi | xingu: because I wonder whether it would make sense to do that just for the 64 bit support |
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| 23:56.59 | yoshio | madriss: use a "." as the separator, ":" is the old separater |
| 23:57.08 | enouf_ | madriss: er .. mayber aerith.aerith |
| 23:57.08 | madriss | chmod: invalid mode string: `aerith.aerith' |
| 23:57.11 | madriss | lol |
| 23:57.20 | enouf_ | as root |
| 23:57.23 | madriss | i am :P |
| 23:57.27 | PingFloyd | yoshio: I think he's using sarge |
| 23:57.33 | madriss | yep sarge |
| 23:57.36 | madriss | i think |
| 23:57.37 | madriss | lol |
| 23:57.37 | yoshio | oh |
| 23:57.38 | PingFloyd | which is still using ':' |
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| 23:57.48 | madriss | : or . dont work |
| 23:57.52 | PingFloyd | at least it's that way on mine |
| 23:57.57 | enouf_ | madriss: umount -f /dev/sda1 as root |
| 23:58.05 | baikonur | what's a good solution to allow ident (auth/113) in a NAT environment? I could forward port 113 to one computer and have identd running there. I could set up oidentd on the router and on the clients. Is there also a solution to forward ident requests to a public ident server if there is any in order to use ircnet? |
| 23:58.08 | xingu | kombi: choose the toolchain that works best for your problem description and you won't go wrong. |
| 23:58.17 | yoshio | madriss: /etc/debian_version tells you what version you have |
| 23:58.18 | madriss | same problem after umount |
| 23:58.29 | xingu | kombi: being clear in defining your problem is a good start. |
| 23:58.30 | madriss | -bash: /etc/debian_version: Permission denied |
| 23:58.33 | PingFloyd | but you want to use chown not chmod |
| 23:58.34 | madriss | oh i love this machine |
| 23:58.35 | enouf_ | mount | grep sda1 madriss |
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| 23:58.39 | PingFloyd | chown to change ownerships |
| 23:58.44 | PingFloyd | chmod to change modes |
| 23:58.55 | madriss | ah ok chown worked |
| 23:58.57 | madriss | thanks |
| 23:59.00 | yoshio | madriss: that's a text file, use "cat" to display it |
| 23:59.06 | PingFloyd | hence why : didn't work :) |
| 23:59.10 | madriss | 3.1 |
| 23:59.17 | enouf_ | DOH! .. so sorry .. I'm flakey tongiht .. yeah chOWN .. apologies all .. madriss especially |
| 23:59.19 | madriss | debian version 3.1 |
| 23:59.28 | madriss | np enouf :) |
| 23:59.37 | kombi | xingu: no problem really, just in stalled a fresh box using sarge and wonder if I leave a lot potential unused withoug 64Bit support |
| 23:59.48 | PingFloyd | I confuse the two subconsciously all the time |
| 23:59.51 | kombi | s/in stalled/installed |
