| 00:00.00 | madriss | umask=000 instead of =022 you say? |
| 00:00.13 | enouf_ | madriss: that's what I have here for mine |
| 00:00.40 | madriss | ok now what mount command shud i use |
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| 00:00.48 | madriss | have been doing mount -t vfat -o rw /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB |
| 00:00.57 | enouf_ | madriss: cat /etc/fstab | grep sda1 |
| 00:01.11 | yoshio | just "mount /home/aerith/Desktop/USB" |
| 00:01.23 | madriss | enouf_ /dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB vfat rw,umask=000,user 0 0 |
| 00:01.24 | enouf_ | bows out .. |
| 00:01.30 | madriss | thanks yoshio |
| 00:01.33 | madriss | and enouf_ |
| 00:01.36 | enouf_ | gracefully hopefully :-) |
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| 00:01.58 | madriss | when i mount |
| 00:02.03 | madriss | shud it be as root or as normal user? |
| 00:02.09 | madriss | cos i been doing it as root |
| 00:02.13 | PingFloyd | as normal user |
| 00:02.15 | mooseman447 | where does debian put the mouse because /dev/input/mice didnt work for xserver |
| 00:02.18 | enouf_ | hehe |
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| 00:02.24 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 00:02.33 | PingFloyd | could be the whole reason :) |
| 00:02.36 | madriss | yeah lol |
| 00:02.41 | madriss | just thought of that |
| 00:02.52 | PingFloyd | I was thinking about saying something about asking you that earlier |
| 00:03.00 | madriss | it works!! |
| 00:03.03 | PingFloyd | LOL |
| 00:03.08 | mooseman447 | what? |
| 00:03.16 | madriss | thanks everyone :D |
| 00:03.20 | PingFloyd | that's how it weird problems always are |
| 00:03.23 | madriss | lol |
| 00:03.24 | PingFloyd | something simple overlooked |
| 00:03.31 | madriss | yeah lol |
| 00:03.34 | blondie | roar |
| 00:03.42 | madriss | ok well therse one problem solved |
| 00:03.44 | madriss | lol |
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| 00:03.54 | madriss | now do i need to type mount everytime i want to use this thing? |
| 00:04.08 | gn1 | http://www.freego.it/news/show/1503 |
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| 00:04.44 | PingFloyd | when I was in tech support, people used to think I was insulting their intelligence with some of the questions I would ask, but the idea was really to be thorough and avoid assumptions, to avoid the dog chasing it's tail syndrome. |
| 00:05.07 | madriss | yeah it makes sense lol. im not thick but i made stupid mistakes |
| 00:05.08 | mooseman447 | can anybody me with the mousething? |
| 00:05.19 | madriss | make stupid mistakes* |
| 00:05.24 | madriss | all the time |
| 00:05.29 | PingFloyd | madriss: I don't think anyone doesn't |
| 00:05.49 | madriss | do i need to do mount everytime i want to use it? |
| 00:05.53 | madriss | or can it mount it itself |
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| 00:06.14 | yoshio | madriss: mount it everytime you use it |
| 00:06.23 | enouf_ | mooseman447: what kind of rodent? |
| 00:06.24 | PingFloyd | I believe ou have to mount everytime manually |
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| 00:06.28 | madriss | ok minor inconvenience i guess lol |
| 00:06.36 | madriss | and if i want to remove it do i need to umount? |
| 00:06.45 | PingFloyd | now if you used something gnome-volume-manager, it would be different |
| 00:06.47 | ciop | when etch becomes stable? |
| 00:06.59 | PingFloyd | there's all sorts of solutions for auto mounting though |
| 00:07.11 | madriss | ah right |
| 00:07.17 | enouf_ | madriss: correct /etc/fstab entries (similar to what you had) should aito mount every reboot |
| 00:07.34 | enouf_ | s/aito/auto |
| 00:07.44 | madriss | i dont reemember what i had now lol |
| 00:07.53 | enouf_ | fat fingers .. and tired eyes |
| 00:07.59 | madriss | atm its "/dev/sda1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB vfat rw,umask=000,user 0 0" |
| 00:08.15 | PingFloyd | will want to make sure it's plugged in on bootup though, if you got the route enouf says |
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| 00:08.17 | enouf_ | that'll work .. er should :-) |
| 00:08.28 | madriss | lol |
| 00:08.29 | PingFloyd | s/got/go |
| 00:08.40 | madriss | ok chances are it wont b plugged in on bootup |
| 00:08.45 | madriss | so il just do it manual thats easier lol |
| 00:08.50 | enouf_ | madriss: the use mount |
| 00:08.54 | madriss | yaeh |
| 00:08.59 | madriss | is unplugging it ok |
| 00:09.00 | enouf_ | then* |
| 00:09.02 | PingFloyd | or investigate a some auto mounting type solutions |
| 00:09.02 | madriss | or do i need to umount |
| 00:09.17 | enouf_ | PingFloyd: please .. not yet .. lol |
| 00:09.20 | PingFloyd | but manual mounting is the way to go unless you need to make it user friendly, for like a girlfriend for instance |
| 00:09.28 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 00:09.31 | enouf_ | madriss: umount before hand |
| 00:09.31 | madriss | lol |
| 00:09.35 | madriss | ok |
| 00:09.44 | madriss | but i cant umount |
| 00:09.50 | madriss | because it says device is busy |
| 00:09.53 | madriss | no matter what lol |
| 00:09.56 | madriss | all windows closed |
| 00:09.59 | enouf_ | madriss: may want to also add noatime as a mount option . if it's a CF card .. |
| 00:10.01 | PingFloyd | probably famd causing it |
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| 00:10.11 | enouf_ | haha |
| 00:10.13 | PingFloyd | famd can interfere with umounting in some cases |
| 00:10.13 | madriss | CF card? |
| 00:10.22 | yoshio | madriss: type "lsof /home/aerith/Desktop/USB" |
| 00:10.26 | PingFloyd | famd is PITA in some ways |
| 00:10.26 | enouf_ | Compact Flash |
| 00:10.29 | madriss | oh right |
| 00:11.05 | madriss | kdeinit 2184 aerith 128r DIR 8,1 16384 1 /home/aerith/Desktop/USB |
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| 00:11.12 | madriss | kde interfering this time |
| 00:11.15 | madriss | its always sumthin lol |
| 00:11.22 | PingFloyd | madriss: yes |
| 00:11.23 | enouf_ | madriss: yep |
| 00:11.39 | PingFloyd | gnome will do the same thing |
| 00:11.41 | yoshio | mooseman447: are you talking about /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 00:11.43 | madriss | ok so one thing i cant do is.. plug it in, copy files, unplug |
| 00:12.02 | PingFloyd | make sure you umount |
| 00:12.02 | madriss | its more like.. plug it in, mount, copy files, work out which process is blocking it from unmounting, umount, unplug it |
| 00:12.07 | PingFloyd | before unplug |
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| 00:12.25 | PingFloyd | could risk losing data, depending upon whether it all got synced before pulling out |
| 00:12.28 | enouf_ | madriss: if you mounted on /media/anything instead the kio_slave "may" actually cooperate |
| 00:12.41 | madriss | "may" being the keyword lol |
| 00:13.01 | madriss | ok il try that i guess :P |
| 00:13.46 | betel | I'm trying to recover a newly deleted file from a FAT-partition. Can't find anything useful. Any suggestions? |
| 00:13.52 | enouf_ | madriss: kde expects either /media .. or /dev .. konqui like devices:/ or media:/ as a protocol .. but I honestly forget hpow Sarge version handles it ..3.3.2 IIRC |
| 00:13.59 | madriss | ok |
| 00:14.09 | madriss | oh no now they're arguing! |
| 00:14.17 | madriss | mount disagres with the fstab |
| 00:14.27 | madriss | lol |
| 00:15.13 | madriss | ok im gona reboot and try it in media/usb1 |
| 00:16.38 | madriss | ooh it did try to mount it for me on bootup |
| 00:16.44 | madriss | cos it said its not a valid device as its not plugged in |
| 00:16.50 | sid | betel: If it's really important to you, I suggest you dd somewhere first. so once you fuckup and start writing to the drive, you can always go back to an original copy |
| 00:16.52 | yoshio | betel: apt-cache search undelete suggests magicrescue |
| 00:17.29 | madriss | thanks v.much for all ur help all of u btw :) |
| 00:17.34 | madriss | idv never figured thsi out lol |
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| 00:17.37 | yoshio | madriss: put "noauto" in the options line if you don't want to auto mount |
| 00:17.43 | enouf_ | madriss: a noauto option will help with that error |
| 00:17.57 | madriss | yeah it doesnt matter really. its handy if i do have it in |
| 00:18.12 | betel | thanks sid and yoshio. |
| 00:18.24 | madriss | hope and pray i never have to reinstall the OS lol |
| 00:18.33 | madriss | just starting to get everything wroking |
| 00:18.35 | xingu | betel: at one stage mtools had mundelete |
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| 00:18.43 | enouf_ | madriss: if you plug it in while non-mounted a dmesg | tail should show you the device atleast |
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| 00:18.55 | madriss | o rite |
| 00:19.56 | betel | xingu, yes they are trivial. so I was suprised how hard it was to find a program that would do it |
| 00:20.16 | betel | in sarge at least |
| 00:21.04 | enouf_ | madriss: pstree -lunp (as user) and find everything kde related and kill -9 PID (as root) it/them .. or use pkill many more manpages to go ;-) |
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| 00:21.21 | yoshio | betel: http://jbj.rapanden.dk/magicrescue/manpage.html suggests http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/. This popular package of utilities is extremely useful for undeleting files from a FAT/NTFS/ext2/ext3/FFS file system that's not completely corrupted. Most of the utilities are not very useful if the file system has been corrupted or overwritten. It is based on The Coroner's Toolkit (http://www.porcupine.org/forensics/tct.html). |
| 00:22.15 | madriss | the media/usb1 thing didnt work as i still need to kill processes |
| 00:22.30 | madriss | surely it shudnt b necessary to ifnd what processes to kill and kill them every time i wana unplug the thing?? |
| 00:22.34 | betel | thanks again yoshio |
| 00:22.35 | enouf_ | madriss: nothing kde opened? |
| 00:22.41 | madriss | only terminal |
| 00:23.00 | xingu | betel: http://mundelete.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:23.45 | enouf_ | madriss: surely indeed .. but I've never figured out the kde debacle entirely .. so I don't bother .. might be famd .. but the mount options I use allow umounting .. are you root when umount? |
| 00:23.59 | madriss | no il try as root |
| 00:24.21 | madriss | still says device busy |
| 00:24.43 | enouf_ | madriss: you shouldn't need to bne to umount IF you have "users" and umask=000 as mount options |
| 00:24.54 | xingu | not that it compiles |
| 00:24.55 | xingu | oh well. |
| 00:24.58 | enouf_ | pkill famd as root |
| 00:25.05 | enouf_ | madriss: ^^ |
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| 00:25.08 | madriss | i have usmask=000,user in there |
| 00:25.15 | madriss | that mean i dont need to umount? |
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| 00:25.34 | enouf_ | user allow the uid= to umount only .. users allows any user |
| 00:25.36 | madriss | i did pkill and its still busy |
| 00:25.42 | _orko_ | hi. i want to reinstall my system with all packages i have installed right now. is it possible to make a list of packges |
| 00:26.02 | xingu | _orko_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:26.11 | xingu | _orko_: ... and --set-selections |
| 00:26.33 | enouf_ | madriss: show us mount | grep sda1 |
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| 00:27.09 | enouf_ | madriss: I know fuser can be useful here .. but I don't recall the exact syntax |
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| 00:27.48 | DustyDingo | hm, how can i display the licence of a package? |
| 00:27.53 | xingu | enouf_: as can umount -f |
| 00:27.54 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm installing VMWare Player. The Installer wants to know where my linux C header files are located. I installed 'linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686' - but '/usr/src/linux-2.6.17-2-686' dosn't seem to be a valid C header folder. Can someone help me here ? |
| 00:28.02 | _orko_ | xingu: problem is that my system crashed.i can only mount the hardrive to see content. |
| 00:28.02 | madriss | ur mount | grep sda1 gives: /dev/sda1 on /media/usb1 type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,umask=000,user=aerith) |
| 00:28.11 | enouf_ | xingu: as root .. or as user |
| 00:28.16 | dendrite | DustyDingo: The license is usually in the package docs directory. |
| 00:28.37 | DustyDingo | dendrite: no dkpg tool or apt? |
| 00:28.49 | xingu | enouf_: root afaik |
| 00:29.06 | dendrite | DustyDingo: I don't think so. Since there is such a variety of licenses, I guess a text file is the way. |
| 00:29.10 | enouf_ | xingu: right .. but root can always umount (AFAIK) |
| 00:29.48 | _orko_ | xingu: i can not boot my old system. |
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| 00:30.16 | enouf_ | madriss: you would put uid=1000 .. or nothing IIRC |
| 00:30.51 | enouf_ | madriss: the umask=000 should negate the user= .. haven't heard of that one |
| 00:30.52 | madriss | u want me to add uid=1000 ? |
| 00:31.07 | enouf_ | madriss: nah .. just remove it entirely |
| 00:31.17 | madriss | uid isnt on there |
| 00:31.22 | PingFloyd | if in doubt, 'man' is your best friend :) |
| 00:31.24 | madriss | looking in fstab |
| 00:31.27 | enouf_ | remove user= |
| 00:31.35 | madriss | where from |
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| 00:31.43 | enouf_ | look up ^^ :-P |
| 00:31.52 | sec1_ | clear |
| 00:32.02 | enouf_ | fore .. |
| 00:32.03 | madriss | grep? |
| 00:32.07 | enouf_ | madriss: (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,umask=000,user=aerith) |
| 00:32.27 | madriss | that was waht i got from doing that mount | grep sda1 or whatever it was |
| 00:32.35 | madriss | in fstab i havent defined uid |
| 00:32.38 | enouf_ | madriss: right .. my flake again :-P |
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| 00:32.50 | madriss | :P |
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| 00:33.03 | enouf_ | crap .. I go away .. but I post my own vfat crud 1st .. |
| 00:33.21 | madriss | it all works just cant unmount the damn thing lol |
| 00:33.28 | xingu | _orko_: awk '/Package/ { p=$NF; } /Status: .*installed/ { print p; }' </recovery/var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 00:33.43 | madriss | unless i logout of course |
| 00:33.45 | xingu | _orko_: cheap and cheery and not 100% bulletproof but it gets you some of the way there |
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| 00:34.25 | enouf_ | madriss: but only diff .. mines an internal ide/ata HDD and mounted ro --> /dev/hda4 /mnt/p4 vfat ro,user,noauto,umask=000 0 0 |
| 00:34.45 | madriss | o rite |
| 00:35.35 | madriss | is pkill kdeinit a bad idea |
| 00:35.35 | PingFloyd | try using fuser to see what proc is tieing it up |
| 00:35.44 | madriss | kdeinit is tieing it up |
| 00:35.47 | _orko_ | xingu: ok, thnks i will try. |
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| 00:36.16 | enouf_ | madriss: well .. I it ay be from x/gkdm |
| 00:36.23 | enouf_ | er x/g/kdm |
| 00:36.48 | madriss | what is it doin exactly :| its only plugged in im not doin anything else |
| 00:36.59 | xingu | hmm, that's going to give him "not-installed"'s too. |
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| 00:38.06 | enouf_ | madriss: cat /proc/mounts .. you may want to comment out the usbdevfs in /etc/fstab |
| 00:38.25 | DustyDingo | hmg/pub/tor etch main |
| 00:38.35 | madriss | cat /proc/mounts: /dev/sda1 /media/usb1 vfat rw,noatime,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0 0 |
| 00:38.36 | DustyDingo | narf, sorry |
| 00:38.50 | madriss | usbdevfs is only in /etc/mtab and shud i comment it |
| 00:39.27 | enouf_ | looks ok .. i'd remove nodev and nosuid 1st and retry , then also if necessary noexec |
| 00:39.53 | DustyDingo | it seems, that the best way to get the licence for a package, is to search for all files of one packe with dkpgk-query and then search for a copyright/copy/licence/... |
| 00:39.53 | enouf_ | madriss: mtab is volatile and changes as you mount/umount .. do not alter that file .. |
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| 00:40.11 | enouf_ | madriss: wasn't it also in fstab? |
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| 00:40.22 | DustyDingo | nevertheless,... stupid |
| 00:40.23 | madriss | it was but i removed it earlier |
| 00:40.38 | madriss | nodev and nosuid are not in fstab |
| 00:40.41 | enouf_ | madriss: ok .. don;'t recall that part .. long evening :-P |
| 00:40.46 | madriss | it is lol |
| 00:40.50 | enouf_ | the saga continues .. |
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| 00:40.57 | enouf_ | wait .. I said I was going .. |
| 00:41.02 | enouf_ | waves :-) |
| 00:41.03 | madriss | maybe if i add dev and suid in there |
| 00:41.06 | madriss | itll cancel it out? |
| 00:41.06 | DustyDingo | hm is there a good way to find out in which repository a special package is located? |
| 00:41.07 | madriss | lol :p |
| 00:41.16 | madriss | ohw :( byeeee! thakns for all ur help |
| 00:41.18 | enouf_ | likes the idea madriss |
| 00:41.26 | enouf_ | no prob |
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| 00:48.00 | madriss | duno if ur still here but i fixed it i think |
| 00:48.06 | madriss | umount -l /media/usb1 worked |
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| 00:50.04 | PingFloyd | the references to it are probably going to continue to still be busy though |
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| 00:50.36 | madriss | oh was that bad then |
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| 00:50.48 | madriss | i did that and it accepted so i unpluged it lol |
| 00:50.51 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 00:51.04 | PingFloyd | just means, that it probably won't address the problem |
| 00:51.16 | Mazingaro | please I've installed iceweasel on a fresh unstable installation and it didn't work |
| 00:51.20 | madriss | oh |
| 00:51.24 | PingFloyd | whatever is keeping it busy, is still keeping it busy, in other words |
| 00:51.24 | madriss | how the hell do i unmount it then lol |
| 00:51.46 | madriss | its kdeinit |
| 00:51.55 | madriss | i dont like the sound of pkill kdeiint though? |
| 00:52.20 | PingFloyd | is kde itself, showing it as mounted? |
| 00:52.27 | Mazingaro | $ iceweasel |
| 00:52.33 | Mazingaro | gave me nothing :( |
| 00:52.34 | madriss | well i unplugged it now |
| 00:53.03 | PingFloyd | probably from kde's point of view, it probably still sees it as mounted |
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| 00:53.11 | madriss | it still shows my files lol |
| 00:53.15 | madriss | even tho i took it out |
| 00:53.19 | PingFloyd | yep |
| 00:53.23 | madriss | unless i refresh |
| 00:53.24 | PingFloyd | that's because of the lazy umout |
| 00:53.28 | madriss | but then if i open it again they come back |
| 00:53.34 | PingFloyd | s/umout/umount |
| 00:53.51 | znull | hello, anybody could help me please http://pastebin.ca/273615? |
| 00:53.53 | znull | http://pastebin.ca/273615 |
| 00:53.59 | PingFloyd | it's still keeping the references like I said |
| 00:54.11 | PingFloyd | but the lazy umount did detach it from the filesystem |
| 00:54.30 | madriss | ok i did umount /media/usb1 |
| 00:54.34 | madriss | and it says its not mounted |
| 00:54.42 | PingFloyd | is there an option in kde to unmount through it's interface |
| 00:54.49 | madriss | i dont think so i cudnt find one |
| 00:54.52 | PingFloyd | I think what is going on, is that when you mount it, kde is grabbing it |
| 00:54.52 | Mazingaro | is anyone using iceweasel? |
| 00:55.15 | PingFloyd | and since you're trying to unmount around kde, kde is getting in the way due to expecting you to unmount it through it |
| 00:55.30 | madriss | oh right |
| 00:55.37 | madriss | mayb thers an option to unmount in there somewhere then |
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| 00:56.01 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: Yep - working pretty well for me unless flash is installed which makes it leak memory like hell |
| 00:56.03 | PingFloyd | so the solution would be to figure out if there's a way to disable that aspect in kde, or instead handle it through kde instead of through the console |
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| 00:56.21 | madriss | il have a look then thanks ! |
| 00:56.23 | PingFloyd | probably some menu item somewhere to unmount in there somewhere |
| 00:56.38 | Mazingaro | h3sp4wn: :( |
| 00:56.47 | madriss | everythings so simple with linux isnt it lol |
| 00:56.47 | PingFloyd | gnome would give me that same catch22 :) in certain situations |
| 00:56.59 | madriss | :P |
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| 00:57.20 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: Useless anyway flash really for me |
| 00:57.30 | madriss | uh now it wont open the folder |
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| 00:57.53 | madriss | it freezes if i open /media |
| 00:57.54 | PingFloyd | maybe it finally let go of the references |
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| 00:58.04 | madriss | i mounted it again |
| 00:58.08 | madriss | to see if i cud unmount it |
| 00:58.17 | PingFloyd | through kde, or though the CLI? |
| 00:58.27 | madriss | cli |
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| 00:58.44 | madriss | il logout and back in that normally helps |
| 00:58.48 | madriss | stupid kde :P |
| 00:58.51 | PingFloyd | try mounting through kde instead and see what it does |
| 00:58.52 | h3sp4wn | Mazingaro: apparantly iceape doesn't suffer from the same problems |
| 00:58.59 | madriss | oki |
| 00:59.00 | DustyDingo | hm thats strange, i am updating from the same mirror exactly at the same time and on one system i miss 13 files |
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| 00:59.22 | madriss | o crap |
| 00:59.35 | madriss | i pressed the power button after it logged out cos i forgot i logged out as opposed to shut down |
| 00:59.36 | dclarke | good evening linux people |
| 00:59.37 | DustyDingo | packages |
| 00:59.40 | madriss | its probly gona b corrupt now lol |
| 00:59.57 | DustyDingo | i can can explain this for 2-3 packages, because i have a special tor rep |
| 00:59.58 | PingFloyd | are you using ext3? |
| 01:00.01 | madriss | yeah |
| 01:00.05 | PingFloyd | you're probably ok |
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| 01:00.11 | madriss | seems ok this time |
| 01:00.12 | DustyDingo | but why do i lack rtorrent on one system and not on an other? |
| 01:00.20 | PingFloyd | but you might want to run fsck if in doubt |
| 01:00.29 | madriss | a few times.. it froze in KDE or GNOME. and all i cud do was power button |
| 01:00.31 | PingFloyd | wouldn't hurt |
| 01:00.34 | madriss | then the filesystem corrupted |
| 01:00.41 | PingFloyd | yeah, it's a hit and miss thing |
| 01:00.51 | RvGaTe | As a normal user, im not able to shutdown... i always have to logout before i can shutdown... how can i fix this? |
| 01:01.13 | madriss | i found how to connect to it on ssh thru my router now tho |
| 01:01.18 | cusco | how to install aixgl on debian testing? |
| 01:01.19 | madriss | so if it freezes again il send a reboot command |
| 01:01.22 | PingFloyd | I had a power failure on mine one time |
| 01:01.25 | madriss | :D |
| 01:01.28 | PingFloyd | everything was fine though |
| 01:01.32 | madriss | cool |
| 01:01.43 | PingFloyd | ext3 seemed to stand up to it pretty good |
| 01:01.59 | madriss | mine is hit & miss |
| 01:02.05 | PingFloyd | had to do a fsck, but everything fixed right up |
| 01:02.12 | PingFloyd | I think all it had to do was replay the journal |
| 01:02.18 | madriss | oh i fixed mine with fsck ok |
| 01:02.20 | PingFloyd | because it fixed it real fast |
| 01:02.21 | madriss | just a bit worrying lol |
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| 01:04.29 | madriss | ok im back in KDE now il look for a mounting tool |
| 01:04.49 | geo-rge | it's called "mount" |
| 01:05.44 | madriss | thanx |
| 01:06.36 | geo-rge | not sure how kde or even X fits in... |
| 01:06.57 | geo-rge | mount works from the shell |
| 01:07.08 | PingFloyd | because it's keeping his mounted fs busy |
| 01:07.16 | PingFloyd | kdeinit is |
| 01:07.38 | geo-rge | oh? what mount pt? |
| 01:08.22 | PingFloyd | think he was mounting it under /media/usb1 or something |
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| 01:08.37 | geo-rge | ok, hmm |
| 01:08.38 | madriss | mount /media/usb1 yeah |
| 01:08.47 | madriss | then kdeinit is busy with it |
| 01:08.49 | madriss | and i cant umount |
| 01:08.57 | madriss | still cant find this mount tool in KDE lol |
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| 01:09.23 | geo-rge | ok, so what did you do after mounting? |
| 01:09.29 | RvGaTe | I mounted hda1 and hdb2 on /mnt/hda1 and /mnt/hdb2... but how can i add them in the "Computer" list found at Accessoires->Computer |
| 01:09.47 | PingFloyd | his original problem was that he couldn't mount the usb stick as rw, but he fixed that, but now kdeinit interferes |
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| 01:10.11 | PingFloyd | he didn't do anything after mounting |
| 01:10.15 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 01:10.17 | madriss | i tried unmounting using kwikdisk |
| 01:10.24 | madriss | it still said device is busy |
| 01:10.27 | PingFloyd | it's like the same problem where famd grabs mounts |
| 01:10.31 | PingFloyd | and keeps it busy |
| 01:10.59 | PingFloyd | madriss: was that when you mounted through kde or CLI, that kwikdisk gave you that message? |
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| 01:11.06 | geo-rge | I'm -guessing- he could switch to console, stop kdm, then try unmounting |
| 01:11.21 | madriss | im not sure as i left it plugged in on reboot and i think it might have auto-mounted during bootup lol |
| 01:11.23 | geo-rge | but is there an icon for the drive on the desktop? |
| 01:11.32 | PingFloyd | yep |
| 01:11.39 | PingFloyd | that's like how gnome will do that |
| 01:11.43 | geo-rge | wait, you altered fstab? |
| 01:11.50 | madriss | its all famd this time |
| 01:11.51 | PingFloyd | you get in a catch22 situation sometimes though |
| 01:12.02 | madriss | famd is listed about 10 times |
| 01:12.05 | PingFloyd | where famd catches it, creates the icon which keeps it busy |
| 01:12.06 | madriss | when i lsof /media/usb1 |
| 01:12.11 | geo-rge | catch17, get22 |
| 01:12.26 | madriss | yeah one famd for every folder on the stick |
| 01:12.40 | geo-rge | wow |
| 01:12.46 | geo-rge | that sounds wasteful of ram |
| 01:12.57 | madriss | ok i killed famd |
| 01:13.01 | madriss | now kdeinit is on there lol |
| 01:13.19 | madriss | and still cant umount from kwikdisk |
| 01:13.25 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: that's how famd is though |
| 01:13.39 | geo-rge | maybe kdeinit was parent process of famd, and when you killed it, kdeinit reaped |
| 01:13.54 | geo-rge | but I dunno how that would keep the fs busy |
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| 01:14.20 | PingFloyd | I'm guessing that maybe kdeinit is the parent process for most kde processes |
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| 01:14.36 | madriss | yea |
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| 01:14.51 | geo-rge | why it needs its own init-like-thing is beyond me |
| 01:15.03 | RvGaTe | im going to bed, good night |
| 01:15.08 | madriss | night :0 |
| 01:15.11 | madriss | :)* |
| 01:15.14 | jelly-home | geo-rge: it has a number of daemons and stuff |
| 01:15.19 | geo-rge | I guess I'm thinking |
| 01:15.23 | geo-rge | err :) |
| 01:15.47 | madriss | so i dont see how i can umount without killing kdeinit, which sounds like a bad idea as it wud kill kde |
| 01:16.12 | geo-rge | I guess I'm thinking that the name kdeinit would start up kde but also be the grandparent of all kde processes... but there;s already an init to do that |
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| 01:16.38 | jelly-home | madriss: easiest thing would be to log off, switch to console and try unmounting there |
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| 01:16.55 | madriss | yeah i was trying to do it without having to logoff i guess lol |
| 01:17.10 | jelly-home | madriss: well, report a bug then ;-) |
| 01:17.33 | madriss | could do i spose :P i only installed this a few days ago iv hardly used linux before |
| 01:17.39 | geo-rge | if there's an icon for the drive on the desktop, I guess you coudl try reigtclicking it |
| 01:17.47 | geo-rge | rightclicking even |
| 01:17.51 | madriss | thers no icon |
| 01:18.04 | obsethryl | hi guys |
| 01:18.20 | geo-rge | that's starting to sound like a bug... but if so, it's involving several packages |
| 01:18.21 | obsethryl | how close are we to release day? |
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| 01:18.35 | geo-rge | -->| |<-- |
| 01:18.40 | geo-rge | that far! |
| 01:18.42 | jelly-home | desktop environments have layers and layers of complexity that essentially mimics Windows... and does it badly |
| 01:18.47 | loopdee | im trying to install etch, the installer freezes at configuring tzdata, what is this ? |
| 01:19.32 | wols | sets your timezone |
| 01:19.39 | wols | should be quite unproblematic |
| 01:19.54 | loopdee | wierd |
| 01:20.08 | geo-rge | obsethryl: it's the same distance as between E# and Fb |
| 01:20.16 | wols | !tell obsethryl wwer |
| 01:20.23 | loopdee | wonder why it would be problematic .. for me.. |
| 01:20.29 | wols | !tell obsethryl about wwer |
| 01:21.01 | obsethryl | geo-rge: can't wait to check out stable |
| 01:21.02 | obsethryl | i am to move away from my distro to either debian or suse |
| 01:21.02 | geo-rge | so install sarge :) |
| 01:21.09 | obsethryl | it is 50/50 right now |
| 01:21.22 | obsethryl | have done so in the past, pretty good |
| 01:21.25 | geo-rge | but having said that, you can install sarge and upgrade to etch if you want |
| 01:21.31 | loopdee | less hardware support, too much work, but probably have to |
| 01:21.45 | obsethryl | but i always ended up compiling the latest kde lol |
| 01:22.11 | gcbirzan | You always ended up losing a day of your life? |
| 01:22.25 | loopdee | that would be true if i had a life |
| 01:22.29 | geo-rge | why? :) latest-1 missing solitaire game? :) |
| 01:22.50 | madriss | lsof gave this: kdeinit 1382 aerith 128r DIR 8,1 16384 1 /media/usb1 |
| 01:22.53 | madriss | so i did kill 1382 |
| 01:23.02 | obsethryl | nah |
| 01:23.02 | madriss | it killed that specific process without killing kdeinit |
| 01:23.13 | loopdee | ill go sarge and backport the kernel i guess |
| 01:23.14 | PingFloyd | think that is kdeinit |
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| 01:23.26 | obsethryl | gcbirzan: the computer does the binaries, i do my regular stuff :P |
| 01:23.35 | madriss | yeah i did "kill 1382" |
| 01:23.40 | madriss | then it let me umount |
| 01:23.46 | PingFloyd | my guess is that maybe kdeinit some kind daemon |
| 01:23.55 | gcbirzan | I admit, I've never been able to compile KDE. |
| 01:24.02 | gcbirzan | I always got bored in the 3rd day or so. |
| 01:24.09 | madriss | yeah |
| 01:24.19 | geo-rge | gcbirzan, for shame! :) |
| 01:24.21 | PingFloyd | probably restarted it automatically |
| 01:24.29 | obsethryl | lol |
| 01:24.29 | PingFloyd | maybe whatever it's parent process is, did. |
| 01:24.33 | geo-rge | j/k |
| 01:24.39 | obsethryl | well, i will compare debian vs new suse |
| 01:25.12 | PingFloyd | madriss: what happens when you mount, and then unmount through kde? |
| 01:25.18 | obsethryl | and see what fits with less hassle |
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| 01:25.30 | geo-rge | that's reasonable |
| 01:25.36 | madriss | ok ill try that pingfloys |
| 01:25.38 | gcbirzan | On that subject, and seriously this time, I never got automounting to really work. |
| 01:25.39 | madriss | floyd* |
| 01:25.55 | gcbirzan | I couldn't umount it from KDE... |
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| 01:26.14 | Red_Cloud | What would be a good package to use to discover the devices on my computer so that I can make symlinks? |
| 01:26.16 | obsethryl | hmm never had issues with kde automount |
| 01:26.38 | geo-rge | don't you have to "eject" the vol? |
| 01:26.57 | PingFloyd | probably |
| 01:27.05 | gcbirzan | Red_Cloud: Symlinks? |
| 01:27.19 | obsethryl | all you need is a konsole :P |
| 01:27.23 | madriss | PingFloyd: I mounted using KDE KwikDisk, and same problem umounting |
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| 01:27.40 | PingFloyd | is there an 'eject' option? |
| 01:27.41 | madriss | i have to do lsof, then kill the process, then umount |
| 01:27.50 | madriss | i cant see one |
| 01:27.59 | obsethryl | well i have not had any problems, fact is that when i was on debian i compiled kde using konstruct |
| 01:28.19 | obsethryl | i did not install any debs since they were, how to put it, not the ones i wanted |
| 01:28.19 | geo-rge | madriss: this thing you just went thru gave you a serious insight into how processes work |
| 01:28.30 | madriss | thats a good thing i guess :p |
| 01:28.36 | Red_Cloud | gcbirzan, I am installing Linux From Scratch and would like to be able to run a program to discover my devices rather than going to each directory and running udevtest |
| 01:28.45 | geo-rge | it's not bad at all, you got to really work with processes |
| 01:29.07 | madriss | but now i dont like processes |
| 01:29.08 | madriss | :P |
| 01:29.15 | geo-rge | but you will |
| 01:29.24 | madriss | hehe |
| 01:29.37 | PingFloyd | Red_Cloud: isn't that the idea behind udev and hotplug? |
| 01:29.50 | gcbirzan | Red_Cloud: Ah, I'm clueless about udev. It Just Works(tm) for me... |
| 01:30.05 | geo-rge | what you don't like right now is the thing about processes where they keep things busy so you can't destroy/eject/unmount |
| 01:30.06 | PingFloyd | gcbirzan: same here lol |
| 01:30.39 | geo-rge | but I'm thinking you'll find a way to mount/unmount that lets you eject |
| 01:31.07 | madriss | hm maybe |
| 01:31.09 | geo-rge | and that will not change how processes work under that, just give you a way to not make them busy |
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| 01:31.37 | geo-rge | s/not make them busy/make them idle/ |
| 01:31.46 | madriss | yeah |
| 01:31.47 | Red_Cloud | PingFloyd I was wanting to be able to have my symlinks defined as per specific device rather than randomly |
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| 01:32.48 | PingFloyd | Red_Cloud: what about makedev? |
| 01:32.55 | geo-rge | now write a perl script that creates a new process and then exits... the new process waits 5 secs, prints "TIME TO WAKE UP!!" and exits |
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| 01:34.38 | Red_Cloud | PIngFloyd thanks. will read |
| 01:35.13 | PingFloyd | np |
| 01:35.30 | geo-rge | has at least one person ran this etch installer whose url is the last thing in the /topic successfully? |
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| 01:36.31 | geo-rge | findme: found you! you're right there! |
| 01:36.54 | ftp3 | is there a way to remove a specific package from getting apt updates? |
| 01:37.03 | geo-rge | !pinning |
| 01:37.04 | dpkg | i guess apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 01:37.22 | geo-rge | ftp3: yes, pinning |
| 01:37.28 | PingFloyd | easiest way, is to hit '=' on them in aptitude |
| 01:37.43 | findme | geo-rge, :-) find / -name findme -print #--no results found.... Good evening mate. |
| 01:37.46 | ftp3 | thanks |
| 01:37.53 | PingFloyd | let me double check that |
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| 01:38.04 | ocZio | hi I installed pure-ftpd but having some trouble in order to chroot everyone except root, I have ChrootEveryone yes but no success. |
| 01:38.16 | geo-rge | so find didn't work for you... some day you'll find yourself :) |
| 01:38.25 | geo-rge | hiya, what's new? :) |
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| 01:38.52 | PingFloyd | yep, that's the right key in aptitude |
| 01:38.53 | findme | geo-rge, it is actually in honour of "find" kind of like what / how we are always looking for something. |
| 01:39.14 | PingFloyd | now if you don't use aptitude, the idea is essentially just putting the packages you don't want upgraded, on hold |
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| 01:42.42 | phogg | PingFloyd: you sir have the coolest nick ever |
| 01:42.48 | PingFloyd | thanks |
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| 01:44.02 | findme | smoke kills. quit now b4 it gets you. |
| 01:44.30 | tombow | what are some windows applications for which there are absolutely no opensource/linux alternatives? I'm compiling a list. |
| 01:44.53 | freespace | wga |
| 01:45.57 | findme | tomaw, making "winmodem" work |
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| 01:51.44 | geo-rge | findme: hmm... there are different winmodems unfortunately... you might be able to see which one it is if you look at the output of the command lspci |
| 01:52.49 | findme | geo-rge, I don't have one, I am on a linux modem. I was just refering that winmodem's have no open source alternative last I checked. |
| 01:53.58 | geo-rge | yeah, the good thing that happened after that is dsls and cable connections became more popular, and both of those can use ethernet to connect the cable or dsl "modem" to the computer |
| 01:54.23 | geo-rge | therefore winmodems can pee up a rope :P |
| 01:55.14 | findme | geo-rge, he he so true. Well put. |
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| 01:55.43 | PingFloyd | winmodems are barely modems |
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| 01:56.12 | geo-rge | they don't actually have serial hardware |
| 01:56.30 | geo-rge | or modem hardware for that matter... crippled sound cards |
| 01:56.33 | PingFloyd | they don't have uarts either, afaik |
| 01:56.44 | geo-rge | right |
| 01:56.52 | findme | where can i get more information on solaris zoning? |
| 01:57.09 | geo-rge | the guy at zill.net uses solaris zones |
| 01:57.24 | geo-rge | his name is patrick |
| 01:58.23 | findme | thanks |
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| 01:59.19 | geo-rge | solaris zones are what xen calls virtual servers |
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| 02:00.19 | geo-rge | he says a zone is good for hosting an openacs (which has -large- and changing mem requirements) |
| 02:01.09 | findme | i have to read about it, but seems to me like slicing up one server to appear as your own( virtual server). |
| 02:03.16 | robin__sz | similar to user-mode Linux? |
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| 02:04.15 | findme | http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/features/articles/zones_partition.html |
| 02:05.18 | geo-rge | robin__sz: maybe. the idea is to give someone a piece of a machine which pretends to be a whole machine; supposedly you can get root access to your slice of the machine, and never see resources belonging to any other slice |
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| 02:06.52 | robin__sz | geo-rge, sounds like user-mode linux to me. |
| 02:07.28 | robin__sz | this sort of thing probably exist in Solaris becuase it is sort of useful on mainframes |
| 02:08.45 | robin__sz | whether its so useful now, I dont know ... |
| 02:08.45 | red_ | they are also called Solaris containers I think ... or is that the host that contains the zones. |
| 02:09.38 | robin__sz | I suppose high availability clustering would make sense with virtual servers |
| 02:09.51 | robin__sz | so long as some part of the cluster is alive, your server will live on |
| 02:11.17 | geo-rge | yeah, that would be nice of course... but expensive, especially if you colocate |
| 02:11.32 | findme | from what I gather Global Zone => multiple local zone's |
| 02:15.22 | geo-rge | not familiar with any details other than name and "it;s like vserver" |
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| 02:23.52 | magdalene | yuck lag |
| 02:24.31 | geo-rge | also known as..."no one's talking" :) |
| 02:24.49 | magdalene | or that |
| 02:25.08 | magdalene | what people have *lives* |
| 02:25.09 | findme | Saturday. few people are here. those 1. 2. 3. 4. pick your choice. |
| 02:25.09 | geo-rge | well they did some sort of upgrade to the freenode net yesterday |
| 02:25.27 | geo-rge | of course :) I have a music session coming up in abt 2 hours... |
| 02:25.27 | magdalene | i thoght this was #debian |
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| 02:26.07 | tripppy | how do i format hda2 so it is mountable?\ |
| 02:26.32 | findme | I would do fdisk ext2 |
| 02:26.35 | magdalene | fdisk |
| 02:26.41 | geo-rge | tripppy: sure about that? :) you'll lose everything you had on hda2 |
| 02:26.52 | tripppy | yeah nothing on it |
| 02:26.55 | magdalene | well format will do that |
| 02:26.55 | geo-rge | no NO, not fdisk :P |
| 02:27.18 | geo-rge | you have your choice of linux-able filesystem types |
| 02:27.39 | geo-rge | ext2 or 3, xfs jfs reiser |
| 02:27.54 | geo-rge | reiser3 might not be the best choice |
| 02:27.58 | magdalene | yeah yeah.. so sue me.. ;) |
| 02:28.25 | geo-rge | I thought magdalene you! |
| 02:29.19 | tripppy | alright its a compact flash to IDE adapter. hda2 is the second partition. |
| 02:29.46 | geo-rge | how large is it? |
| 02:29.57 | geo-rge | maybe you could put an lvm pv on it |
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| 02:30.06 | tripppy | i just used fdisk to format... need to reboot now |
| 02:30.12 | magdalene | sometimes fdisk for making a disk mountable is the best option tho |
| 02:30.17 | geo-rge | fdisk DOES NOT format |
| 02:30.18 | kingsley | Why would xlock be able to open a certain X display, but qiv and wmtimer not? |
| 02:30.27 | tripppy | so i have to format it now? |
| 02:30.30 | magdalene | no kidding |
| 02:30.36 | magdalene | yes |
| 02:30.53 | tripppy | im a noob, there is no format command |
| 02:30.56 | geo-rge | cmon people :) coffee brewing! |
| 02:30.57 | magdalene | unless you just used it to make it mountable |
| 02:31.19 | geo-rge | ok, hmm... |
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| 02:31.29 | PingFloyd | fdisk sets up the partition |
| 02:31.29 | tripppy | how do i format it? |
| 02:31.58 | tripppy | alrighty ill reboot and see how i go. |
| 02:32.06 | geo-rge | try this: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda2 |
| 02:32.07 | PingFloyd | mkfs is formats (actually builds the fs) |
| 02:32.11 | magdalene | did you partition it? |
| 02:32.18 | geo-rge | evidently :) |
| 02:32.23 | magdalene | arg |
| 02:32.54 | magdalene | he could have just used it to mark it mountable |
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| 02:33.10 | achille_ | I'm having trouble sshing into this one machine, I get this error: "ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer" |
| 02:33.24 | geo-rge | I mean, maybe fdisk changed a LOT :) but before that (possible) change, fdisk partitions, mkfs formats :) |
| 02:33.32 | mentor | ewww. format. |
| 02:33.36 | mentor | make a filesystem |
| 02:33.49 | magdalene | ... yes |
| 02:33.52 | achille_ | I can ssh localhost just fine from that machine, but I can't seem to be able to ssh from the outside // I tried a /etc/init.d/ssh restart and that did nothing ... |
| 02:34.04 | magdalene | but fdisk also allows you to mark a disk as mountable |
| 02:34.04 | PingFloyd | yeah, maybe they've tried to put them into an all in one user-friendly util of some sort since then lol |
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| 02:34.34 | geo-rge | I guess so,m in a vague sense |
| 02:34.45 | PingFloyd | I don't remember having to mark any partitions as mountable |
| 02:34.59 | PingFloyd | I just mount them, or declare them in fstab |
| 02:35.17 | geo-rge | I guess a less vague way to say it is "it marks the partition as -existing-" |
| 02:35.36 | magdalene | mountable = bootable |
| 02:35.43 | geo-rge | ohh, ok |
| 02:35.45 | magdalene | sorry for the confusion |
| 02:35.50 | geo-rge | right |
| 02:35.55 | PingFloyd | think that's only needed with dos |
| 02:36.03 | magdalene | dunno |
| 02:36.08 | PingFloyd | that bootable flag or whatever |
| 02:36.12 | geo-rge | the details on that are: |
| 02:36.25 | magdalene | i had to resort to it to make my old 1 gig boot up under deb |
| 02:36.27 | geo-rge | if you format/fdisk the drive with dos/win, |
| 02:36.38 | magdalene | its a i386 thing |
| 02:36.54 | geo-rge | it writes an mbr with enough code to boot the "bootable" partition |
| 02:37.02 | PingFloyd | afaik, linux doesn't care about the partition being 'bootable', |
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| 02:37.29 | geo-rge | it;s not linux that cares/not cares... it's lilo/grub/whatever :) |
| 02:37.35 | PingFloyd | that 1gig issue with booting, I think had to do with your bios |
| 02:37.47 | magdalene | its a bios thing |
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| 02:38.02 | geo-rge | that's really "1024 cylenders" |
| 02:38.11 | PingFloyd | it's the int 13h issue |
| 02:38.27 | geo-rge | any boot loaders that avoid that entirely? |
| 02:38.36 | magdalene | im a dead tech junkie |
| 02:38.48 | geo-rge | I guess grub when stage2 is installed as chainloader |
| 02:38.48 | magdalene | dunno about that on I386s |
| 02:38.52 | PingFloyd | I thought newer ones like grub did, but I don't know for sure |
| 02:39.08 | magdalene | i use lilo |
| 02:39.12 | PingFloyd | also, thought I recall more fairly recent version of lilo also |
| 02:39.14 | madriss | grrr it froze |
| 02:39.18 | madriss | how do i reboot it |
| 02:39.23 | madriss | i cant even type into ssh |
| 02:39.27 | geo-rge | "it"? |
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| 02:39.32 | madriss | my debian desktop :P |
| 02:39.35 | PingFloyd | could of sworn I read somewhere that limitations became moot after a certain version |
| 02:39.56 | geo-rge | you can't get to its console? |
| 02:40.00 | magdalene | um.. the little red button? |
| 02:40.19 | geo-rge | well let's hold off on that just a moment :) |
| 02:40.23 | madriss | yeh but then the filesystem corrupts lol. i connected to it on putty but i cant type anything cos its too slow |
| 02:40.24 | findme | ssh -l root open.doors.of.heaven |
| 02:40.30 | geo-rge | especially if he has certain partition types |
| 02:40.37 | PingFloyd | one way, is to go to your fuse box and flip all the switch to 'off', granted it's not the best way though :) |
| 02:40.44 | madriss | lol |
| 02:40.59 | magdalene | *grin* |
| 02:41.00 | geo-rge | we're trying to avoid that one |
| 02:41.22 | geo-rge | can't get to the console? |
| 02:41.27 | magdalene | thats the maggie way |
| 02:41.41 | madriss | on the machine all i can do is move the mouse |
| 02:41.52 | madriss | on here (windows) i got putty open |
| 02:41.55 | madriss | but it wont let me type anything |
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| 02:42.08 | magdalene | cant you ^alt to another console |
| 02:42.14 | Piet | http://www.ubuntu.com/--%3E%3Cscript%3Ealert('UBUNTU%20-%20Teh%20see%20cure%20linuks.')%3C/script%3E%3C!-- |
| 02:42.20 | boumkar | hello there |
| 02:42.37 | madriss | alt F2 is it? |
| 02:42.47 | PingFloyd | if in kde or gnome, try hitting ctrl-alt-F2 or some F-key |
| 02:43.04 | findme | alt-f7 |
| 02:43.06 | geo-rge | ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 02:43.07 | PingFloyd | sometimes have to use ctrl in addition with some DEs |
| 02:43.19 | geo-rge | alt-f7 to get back |
| 02:43.20 | madriss | none of them do anytihng lol.. |
| 02:43.32 | PingFloyd | try ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 02:43.39 | geo-rge | hmm, I have a feeling the machine is running still |
| 02:43.39 | magdalene | you are remote into the machine or is it actually under your desk |
| 02:43.44 | madriss | nop |
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| 02:43.54 | madriss | the mouse doesnt even move now |
| 02:43.55 | geo-rge | ok, one more thing to try |
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| 02:44.15 | geo-rge | what kind of kbd and mouse you have? how do they plug in? |
| 02:44.19 | PingFloyd | hmm, maybe if you need to, try ctrl-alt-sysreq (think that's the combo if I remember right) |
| 02:44.21 | madriss | its a laptop |
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| 02:44.38 | madriss | omg it went nuts |
| 02:44.39 | geo-rge | hmm, and no ext kbd? |
| 02:44.46 | madriss | thers big lights flashing all over the screen and weird lines |
| 02:44.46 | madriss | lol |
| 02:44.52 | magdalene | madriss are you in a windows invironment and puttied into your other box? |
| 02:45.02 | madriss | yeah i am |
| 02:45.06 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 02:45.11 | madriss | but its extremely extremely slow puttied |
| 02:45.11 | geo-rge | looks like it's Big Red Button time |
| 02:45.12 | magdalene | environment rather |
| 02:45.15 | PingFloyd | it's gone self-aware |
| 02:45.21 | madriss | now the screen went black |
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| 02:45.30 | madriss | aha |
| 02:45.32 | madriss | debian login prompt |
| 02:45.35 | madriss | yay |
| 02:45.46 | geo-rge | can you type there? |
| 02:46.00 | madriss | yeah |
| 02:46.03 | madriss | its rebooting now |
| 02:46.04 | madriss | nice one |
| 02:46.05 | geo-rge | if so... just do ctrl-alt-del |
| 02:46.09 | madriss | that saves a hard drive |
| 02:46.12 | madriss | :P |
| 02:46.26 | geo-rge | good, we got it without doing something desperate |
| 02:46.37 | madriss | yeah thanks for that :D |
| 02:46.48 | PingFloyd | nice thing, is if you can get to a vc, you're usually home free |
| 02:46.49 | madriss | next time i'll hammer ctrl+alt+everything again until this comes up |
| 02:46.55 | geo-rge | what kind of filesystem did you pick for your drives? |
| 02:47.12 | madriss | i didnt pick one it automatically used ext3 (think thats what is called) |
| 02:47.18 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 02:47.33 | PingFloyd | ext3 seems to be pretty resilient |
| 02:47.34 | magdalene | madriss you are remotely trying to install debian from a windows environment? |
| 02:47.46 | madriss | no its already installed |
| 02:47.54 | PingFloyd | to hard shutdowns etc |
| 02:47.57 | madriss | i just putty from here to do root commands cos its easy lol |
| 02:48.13 | karim | so what are u trying to do exactely ? |
| 02:48.22 | madriss | wasnt trying to do anything |
| 02:48.27 | geo-rge | yabbadabbau! |
| 02:48.29 | madriss | it just froze and i happened to b on putty |
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| 02:48.33 | karim | ok |
| 02:48.43 | PingFloyd | madriss, did that freeze happen after it had been sitting idle for awhile? |
| 02:48.54 | madriss | oh damnit i still got a bad sector error lol |
| 02:49.07 | madriss | no i was using it |
| 02:49.20 | PingFloyd | fsck is saying bad sector? |
| 02:49.33 | madriss | calculating module dependencies it got to |
| 02:49.44 | geo-rge | hmm, I'm going to suggest a coupla things... one, you should run memtest86 on it for a few hours, and two, run a surface scan on the disk |
| 02:49.55 | madriss | then its hda: dma_intr: status 0x51 (driveready seekc162blahbah, sector=# |
| 02:50.05 | geo-rge | bad drive |
| 02:50.06 | madriss | depmod: error reading ELF section data blak no such file or directory |
| 02:50.10 | PingFloyd | maybe |
| 02:50.17 | PingFloyd | I got errors like that once |
| 02:50.21 | magdalene | or if its not already formatted for linux |
| 02:50.21 | madriss | yea its a crap machine completely lol |
| 02:50.26 | PingFloyd | but mine was dma_timer_expiry |
| 02:50.35 | PingFloyd | thought it was a bad drive |
| 02:50.35 | magdalene | and its still formatted for dos |
| 02:50.53 | madriss | havnt had windows on it for ages |
| 02:51.15 | magdalene | you can use a utility to remagnatize the sectors |
| 02:51.23 | magdalene | ah |
| 02:51.32 | geo-rge | you mean llf the drive? |
| 02:51.32 | madriss | o rite lol |
| 02:51.32 | PingFloyd | supposidly spinrite is supposed to |
| 02:51.33 | exobyte | I compiled my last 2.6 kernel the debian way. I want to add two modules to it. Is there a way to just rebuild to add those modules? |
| 02:51.49 | magdalene | spinrite works |
| 02:51.52 | PingFloyd | but I sometimes wonder if it's just like beating a dead horse |
| 02:51.56 | magdalene | ive reclaimed many drives with it |
| 02:52.06 | PingFloyd | maybe just causing things to take longer to totally crap out |
| 02:52.13 | geo-rge | exobyte: sure, you can rebuild the kernel and add the modules; that's no problem |
| 02:52.13 | PingFloyd | I have as well |
| 02:52.22 | geo-rge | it'll just take awhile to run |
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| 02:52.40 | PingFloyd | but they seem to eventually go fubar, just maybe take longer to when I use spinrite on them |
| 02:52.55 | PingFloyd | like this one drive was coming up with bad sectors |
| 02:53.05 | magdalene | dunno ive had a few drives last an extra 4 years |
| 02:53.05 | PingFloyd | and I used spinrite on it a couple of times |
| 02:53.26 | madriss | wel all this sounds v. complicated lol |
| 02:53.28 | PingFloyd | it seemed to last a year or two longer before it finally was totally toast |
| 02:53.35 | madriss | good news is it got past that and booted to my login screen |
| 02:53.52 | PingFloyd | but still, it's pretty amazing how long it lasted with those problems |
| 02:54.00 | PingFloyd | and how reliable it was during that time |
| 02:54.08 | magdalene | works for me |
| 02:54.11 | magdalene | :) |
| 02:54.31 | PingFloyd | it's a good util in my opinion |
| 02:54.43 | madriss | i find if its not switched off perfectly.. it gives nasty errors. but it does always seem to recover from them well *touch wood* |
| 02:54.54 | magdalene | iindeed |
| 02:54.55 | madriss | im back in kde already :P |
| 02:55.00 | PingFloyd | yeah, that's how it was for me also |
| 02:55.29 | PingFloyd | it tends to bring the drive back when normally would be considered gone |
| 02:55.41 | madriss | yeah lol |
| 02:55.45 | PingFloyd | but the last time that the hard drive when awol, nothing brought it back |
| 02:55.55 | madriss | :( |
| 02:56.24 | exobyte | geo-rge: how do I do that? I don't want to have to reboot |
| 02:56.31 | madriss | i only hope this one wont because iv only just installed my first ever linux (well apart from DSL) and its actually working well with all the stuff i want |
| 02:56.32 | PingFloyd | still, I think it was pretty amazing to be able to get 2 more years out of a HD that was having problems like that one did |
| 02:56.35 | magdalene | well if its a good make, thats when warrenty return comes in |
| 02:56.44 | madriss | and on this laptop i got no idea how to back anything up lol. and i doubt i cud replace the HD |
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| 02:57.19 | chugga | what do i apt-get for wireless support |
| 02:57.38 | madriss | oh no not wireless :P took me 2 hours to get a USB stick working |
| 02:57.51 | geo-rge | exobyte: you can compile without rebooting... you just can't change the kernel without rebooting... if you're installing the same version of the kernel, you should be able to run depmod -a when it's done installing the .deb of the kernel, and go from there |
| 02:58.05 | geo-rge | if that doesn't work, you probably have to reboot |
| 03:00.03 | madriss | is it a bad idea to run firefox on 96mb ram :P |
| 03:00.17 | exobyte | geo-rge: hmm |
| 03:00.17 | madriss | last time i opened it kde froze lol |
| 03:00.22 | exobyte | geo-rge: thanks |
| 03:00.24 | sid | chugga: What wireless chipset are you using? |
| 03:00.28 | madriss | but i duno if that was why |
| 03:00.39 | holycow | madriss, not if you don't open tabs |
| 03:00.47 | madriss | ah ok |
| 03:00.49 | holycow | make sure you have the tab caching option disabled too |
| 03:00.56 | PingFloyd | kde and firefox on 96 megs? your system must thrash like mad lol |
| 03:01.04 | madriss | lol |
| 03:01.10 | madriss | kde works realy well |
| 03:01.16 | madriss | bit skeptical about firefox tho |
| 03:01.39 | sid | chugga: Put the output of the `lspci` command on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 03:01.44 | madriss | i always heard gnome is faster but i found this to run btter for some reason |
| 03:01.50 | PingFloyd | I've been pretty lucky with firefox, but one time it acted real wierd on me |
| 03:02.19 | madriss | oh |
| 03:02.20 | PingFloyd | I've found that gnome seems faster than kde for me |
| 03:02.35 | PingFloyd | both seems fairly demanding for me though, only got 128 megs |
| 03:02.36 | chugga | sid, says i dont have that command |
| 03:02.41 | findme | chugga, ndiswrapper |
| 03:02.46 | madriss | 96megs :( |
| 03:02.50 | madriss | its pathetic lol |
| 03:03.03 | sid | chugga: What version of Debian GNU/Linux are you running? |
| 03:03.05 | madriss | best bit is it came with windows xp installed |
| 03:03.08 | PingFloyd | but debian sarge seems to run smoother with gnome and kde than alot of other distros that I've tried |
| 03:03.13 | chugga | sid, testing/unstable, apparently |
| 03:03.28 | sid | chugga: apt-get install pciutils |
| 03:03.32 | madriss | oh cool. debian sarge is the first one i actually got running on it apart from DSL |
| 03:03.40 | PingFloyd | that must've been hell in winxp |
| 03:03.43 | madriss | well i got suse running.. but i cudnt do anything cos i didnt aelise u need 128mb MINIMUM |
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| 03:03.50 | madriss | lol |
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| 03:04.04 | madriss | winxp was surprisingly good until u started trying to do things with it |
| 03:04.08 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 03:04.14 | PingFloyd | like load and application? |
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| 03:04.18 | madriss | yeah |
| 03:04.19 | madriss | lol |
| 03:04.20 | sid | chugga: Put the output of the `lspci` command on www.rafb.net/paste after you install pciutils |
| 03:04.35 | madriss | especially not 2 applications |
| 03:04.37 | madriss | that was pushing it |
| 03:04.42 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 03:04.52 | chugga | sid, i wont get that far. i still have existing problem with apt |
| 03:04.57 | PingFloyd | probably risking a crash too |
| 03:05.00 | madriss | mind u it was 20 times better when i took it off my mum and formatted it |
| 03:05.02 | madriss | she had AOL on it |
| 03:05.10 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 03:05.12 | madriss | that was HELL |
| 03:05.19 | madriss | took about half an hour to get on the internet lol |
| 03:05.37 | sid | chugga: Were you using stable and you tried to get packages from unstable and fucked up your machine? |
| 03:05.39 | madriss | btw i clicked firefox 5 minutes ago ill assume its not even trying to open it and not try again |
| 03:05.43 | PingFloyd | then it would crash right after, "you've got mail!"? |
| 03:05.44 | chugga | http://rafb.net/paste/results/LfkWNW51.html |
| 03:05.49 | chugga | sid, yes, i think so |
| 03:06.03 | sid | chugga: There are like 20 people a day who do this. bad bad idea |
| 03:06.18 | sid | chugga: Put your /etc/apt/sources.list file on www.rafb.net/paste and give me the link. |
| 03:06.24 | madriss | i got a nice little megadrive emulator working on here :p |
| 03:06.41 | findme | madclicker, lynx |
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| 03:06.50 | PingFloyd | one thing I learned once, is that some application don't work well with aoss |
| 03:06.54 | geo-rge | chugga: it's a bad idea because when sid feeds you its glibc, all your apps and unix tool progs lose their ability to run |
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| 03:07.06 | chugga | sid http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ukLPfM23.html |
| 03:07.18 | madriss | whats aoss |
| 03:07.33 | sid | chugga: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 03:07.34 | PingFloyd | one time when I used gaim through it, I figured out too late that gaim was spawning a seperate process of itself every time it played a sound |
| 03:07.40 | geo-rge | so best thing to do is restore from your backup |
| 03:07.43 | PumpkinPie | who needs to get the slapage |
| 03:07.46 | tripppy | how do i get a trackball device on COM 1 to work? |
| 03:07.55 | PingFloyd | was just able to bring up ps aux |
| 03:07.58 | madriss | lol :| |
| 03:08.05 | PingFloyd | and there was like around 100 instances of gaim |
| 03:08.08 | chugga | says unmet dependencies. try using -f |
| 03:08.11 | madriss | omg lol |
| 03:08.22 | PingFloyd | then I killed them all |
| 03:08.28 | PingFloyd | and the machine thrashed like crazy |
| 03:08.31 | madriss | lol |
| 03:08.41 | PingFloyd | waited for like 20 minutes and it was still paging like mad |
| 03:08.46 | PingFloyd | so I just hit the power switch |
| 03:08.49 | madriss | sounds like mine |
| 03:09.04 | geo-rge | PingFloyd: sounds like you need more ram :) |
| 03:09.08 | madriss | lol |
| 03:09.10 | madriss | i do! |
| 03:09.14 | sid | chugga: Show me what it says on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 03:09.20 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: lol, if you only knew:) |
| 03:09.32 | PingFloyd | that's like an understatement |
| 03:09.35 | geo-rge | Im just guessing... |
| 03:09.50 | madriss | hey do u know any good "low ram usage ;-)" browsers that work well with flash? the konqueror is a bit dodgey with it |
| 03:10.02 | PingFloyd | but in that particular instance, that was gaim with aoss acting crazy and buggy |
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| 03:10.30 | geo-rge | crazy in a buggy... mad baby? |
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| 03:11.37 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: yeah |
| 03:11.55 | rpc | is it normal that /proc/kcore is like 900MB? |
| 03:12.01 | rpc | that crap is growing bigger and bigger i believe :/ |
| 03:12.03 | PingFloyd | who was asking what aoss was? |
| 03:12.11 | madriss | oh that was me |
| 03:12.30 | krazykit | rpc, yeah, as i recall |
| 03:12.30 | PingFloyd | to answer whoever asked that, it's like a wrapper for oss based apps to use the alsa sound library, or something like that |
| 03:12.42 | rpc | krazykit what happens if i rm it? |
| 03:12.42 | chugga | sid http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/QPo9s339.html |
| 03:12.49 | madriss | o rite ok :P |
| 03:12.52 | krazykit | rpc, bad things. i think it's your memory |
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| 03:13.00 | madriss | not an airborne oil surveilance system then |
| 03:13.07 | krazykit | rpc, as in, your physical memory as a /proc thing |
| 03:13.08 | rpc | krazykit i'm sure it wasn't there before |
| 03:13.20 | PingFloyd | in other words, to get programs that rely on oss sound to work on a system configured for alsa, you can use aoss or load the alsa-oss emulation modules |
| 03:13.23 | rpc | krazykit i don't really understand this |
| 03:13.33 | madriss | ah |
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| 03:13.37 | krazykit | rpc, i'm reasonably confident you shouldn't go around randomly rm-ing things that are not in your home folder |
| 03:13.39 | rpc | i only have 128MB of ram |
| 03:13.41 | PingFloyd | sometimes one method works, while the other has problems |
| 03:13.45 | PingFloyd | and vice versa |
| 03:13.57 | madriss | right |
| 03:14.03 | krazykit | rpc, http://www.unixguide.net/linux/faq/04.16.shtml |
| 03:14.07 | rpc | krazykit i'm out of disk space and looking for a reason... just found one, that file never was THIS big |
| 03:14.18 | rpc | and proc was like hmm 200MB perhaps, now 900+ |
| 03:14.34 | sid | chugga: comment out the last line with a text editor for /etc/apt/sources.list(so it looks like "#deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ etch main" |
| 03:14.36 | madriss | know any good lightweight browsers that will run flash? |
| 03:14.40 | krazykit | rpc, it's not actually on your hard drive anyway. |
| 03:14.46 | PingFloyd | one thing I could never get to work, is getting oss sound, esd, and alsa dmix to all play nice together |
| 03:14.52 | rpc | krazykit isn't it |
| 03:14.57 | krazykit | no |
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| 03:15.08 | krazykit | /proc is a virtual filesystem. |
| 03:15.09 | rpc | oh |
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| 03:15.24 | rpc | so removing that file wouldn't give me any more space you're saying |
| 03:15.30 | rpc | even if i was able to do that |
| 03:15.35 | quadrata | who's removing stuff in /proc? |
| 03:15.35 | krazykit | correct |
| 03:15.36 | elif | Hi all this is a gnome question, I want to change the behavior of the Desktop, currently it's giving focus to the window the mouse point, I want it giving focus to the window I click on, but its difficult to find the menu and/or config tool to change that, any help ? |
| 03:15.42 | krazykit | don't delete stuff that you don't know what it is, rpc |
| 03:15.51 | rpc | krazykit that's why i first asked |
| 03:15.53 | krazykit | Bad Things (rm) will happen |
| 03:16.00 | krazykit | tm, even |
| 03:16.01 | madriss | right im going now i think |
| 03:16.03 | rpc | i have to find out what happened to my space |
| 03:16.07 | madriss | 3:15 in the morning and all |
| 03:16.24 | PingFloyd | elif: gnome-window-properties |
| 03:16.38 | chugga | ok, sid, did that. and did the apt-get command again. and now again it says at the end "E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f." |
| 03:16.39 | elif | PingFloyd: thks |
| 03:16.42 | PingFloyd | can run that through a terminal, or can drill down throught the menus for it |
| 03:17.09 | PingFloyd | on mine it's under desktop preferences |
| 03:17.32 | rpc | hrhm /var/cache/apt is already 100MB+ |
| 03:17.35 | rpc | can i just rm it? |
| 03:17.36 | sid | chugga: apt-get -f dist-upgrade; |
| 03:17.50 | krazykit | rpc, nope. do apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean |
| 03:18.11 | rpc | krazykit i was sure there was a command for that :) |
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| 03:18.12 | PingFloyd | rpc, I believe so, but the better way is to do it with apt's clean function |
| 03:18.12 | rpc | thank you, 100 more megs |
| 03:18.12 | krazykit | rpc, i recall there being important files that are not deb files |
| 03:18.13 | chugga | sid, wow, ok. thats going to be a huge install.. ist starting |
| 03:18.39 | madriss | how do u rm a non-empty directory |
| 03:18.46 | rpc | rm -fr |
| 03:18.50 | PingFloyd | rm -r |
| 03:18.54 | PingFloyd | be very careful though |
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| 03:19.02 | madriss | ok thanks |
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| 03:19.14 | rpc | krazykit hm i hope i didn't just break my apt... did clean though so should be fine? |
| 03:19.15 | olskolirc | ok boys, how come i can't download any xmms skins from their website |
| 03:19.19 | sid | chugga: when it's done.. do # apt-get update && apt-get -f dist-upgrade; apt-get install pciutils; lspci; then put the output of lspci on www.rafb.net/paste and we'll get that wireless working. |
| 03:19.25 | krazykit | rpc, clean and autoclean are safe |
| 03:19.43 | PingFloyd | lol, rm -rf is like saying, "I'm more sure than sure". |
| 03:19.43 | sid | chugga: What is the eta for the download+install? |
| 03:19.45 | chugga | sid, will do. thats a lot for the help mate |
| 03:20.02 | chugga | sid, 2 hours and 7 minuytes |
| 03:20.17 | madriss | lol :P |
| 03:20.22 | rpc | ping: i always am very sure when running rm :) |
| 03:20.27 | rpc | thus -fr :) |
| 03:20.43 | rpc | fr like freedom :) |
| 03:21.05 | PingFloyd | yeah, but one character can make all the difference in the world |
| 03:21.19 | PingFloyd | like forgetting a '.' or '/' |
| 03:21.22 | madriss | lol |
| 03:21.23 | rpc | true :) |
| 03:21.24 | rpc | lol |
| 03:21.27 | madriss | oh dear :P |
| 03:21.35 | krazykit | or adding a / |
| 03:21.39 | PingFloyd | sooner or later, we all learn that the hard way |
| 03:21.46 | rpc | hm ok, /usr/share/doc <--do i really need this one? |
| 03:21.51 | krazykit | like instead of rm -fr *, you do something silly like rm -fr /* ... not good |
| 03:21.51 | rpc | i always read docs online |
| 03:21.59 | PingFloyd | though, I haven't yet, *knock on wood* |
| 03:22.15 | PingFloyd | but I can totally see myself having a brain fart one day |
| 03:22.46 | madriss | thanks for all ur help people :) |
| 03:22.48 | madriss | ill be off now |
| 03:22.57 | PingFloyd | take care |
| 03:23.07 | madriss | cheers ^_^ |
| 03:23.29 | rpc | also, do i have to keep apt lists on my drive or is it ok to just apt-get update before installing anything? |
| 03:23.43 | rpc | that's another 45MB for now |
| 03:24.02 | krazykit | rpc, how small of a drive are you running on anyway? |
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| 03:25.32 | elif | anyone here is using etch with 2 screens ?!(not running on xinerama mode) |
| 03:25.32 | rpc | 1GB |
| 03:25.32 | rpc | now you understand i believe ;) |
| 03:25.32 | PingFloyd | I'm not much better off |
| 03:26.11 | elif | I'm having troubles using 2 screens, etch is crashing a lot, always when i'm changing the mouse between the scrrens |
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| 03:26.23 | PingFloyd | I'm running like a 5 gig, 2 gig, and 1gig, around there |
| 03:26.28 | rpc | i can also see that /usr/share/locale is taking 42MB |
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| 03:26.33 | unseensoul | hi |
| 03:26.34 | rpc | do i really need that dir? |
| 03:26.54 | rpc | i feel like there is alot of crap on the drive that never gets used for anything |
| 03:27.02 | quadrata | rpc: you probably don't need most of the stuff that's in locale |
| 03:27.04 | rpc | and i would like to trim the system a bit |
| 03:27.16 | quadrata | rpc: if you want a lightweight system, try something like dsl or LFS |
| 03:27.21 | PingFloyd | make sure you keep the locale that you're using though |
| 03:27.23 | rpc | quadrata there are some wicked languages, tons of them |
| 03:27.30 | quadrata | PingFloyd: yep |
| 03:27.33 | krazykit | i was gonna say, DSL might be better for a smaller system |
| 03:27.38 | rpc | i definetly should try DSL |
| 03:27.41 | quadrata | rpc: yeah, there's a lot of i18n stuff in there |
| 03:27.44 | rpc | but for now i have ot keep this one |
| 03:28.09 | rpc | so as long as i keep english locale and remove the rest... system will survive, right? |
| 03:28.19 | quadrata | rpc: hopefully :) |
| 03:28.19 | rpc | i don't use X btw, just console |
| 03:28.31 | PingFloyd | in theory, I think |
| 03:28.37 | rpc | there must be a way of squeezing the crap to 200-250MB |
| 03:28.39 | PingFloyd | ;) |
| 03:28.39 | quadrata | rpc: some locales are needed if you're doing development testing, iirc |
| 03:28.48 | rpc | quadrata oh hm |
| 03:28.59 | quadrata | rpc: tar them up, burn them to a cd, then remove the locales |
| 03:28.59 | PingFloyd | one way to find out |
| 03:29.00 | rpc | not .cn ones i hope :) |
| 03:29.30 | quadrata | or turn them into a squashfs archive and then re-mount them at the original location |
| 03:29.31 | quadrata | :) |
| 03:29.39 | rpc | a squashfs? |
| 03:29.42 | quadrata | that would give you a lot of space but keep them readable |
| 03:29.50 | rpc | is that what i think it is? |
| 03:29.52 | quadrata | rpc: yeah, you'll get about 50% compression, I think |
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| 03:30.03 | rpc | is it like the old crap for windows? |
| 03:30.08 | rpc | real time compression |
| 03:30.15 | PingFloyd | you think of drivespace? |
| 03:30.19 | rpc | Stacker |
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| 03:30.22 | PingFloyd | or doublespace etc |
| 03:30.24 | quadrata | rpc: yeah, real-time |
| 03:30.30 | rpc | yeah, Stacker or Doublespace |
| 03:30.47 | rpc | that would just rock, as long as it works fine |
| 03:30.49 | PingFloyd | actually I think it was originally stacker |
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| 03:31.00 | quadrata | rpc: it'll work for read-only access great |
| 03:31.01 | PingFloyd | then MS stole or bought it out and renamed it to drivespace |
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| 03:31.09 | rpc | PingFloyd i totally agree |
| 03:31.11 | PingFloyd | think originally it was stacker doublespace |
| 03:31.12 | quadrata | rpc: you just have to have squashfs support enabled in the kernel |
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| 03:31.22 | rpc | quadrata i read you |
| 03:31.49 | rpc | quadrata but that can't be used for real time read-writes? only read? |
| 03:32.02 | PingFloyd | that squashfs sounds like a good way to go with data where performance isn't an issue |
| 03:32.13 | rpc | exactly and that's my situation right now |
| 03:32.23 | rpc | never heard of it before |
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| 03:33.18 | rpc | so can i just add a dirtree to squashfs and expect that it will get shrinked? like libs etc |
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| 03:33.26 | quadrata | rpc: you could write to it if you overlay it with a unionfs mount :) |
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| 03:33.40 | rpc | hm |
| 03:33.43 | quadrata | rpc: here's a brief rundown of how it would go |
| 03:33.54 | quadrata | rpc: (you shouldn't need to write to the locales, though) |
| 03:34.00 | rpc | (right) |
| 03:34.21 | quadrata | install squashfs |
| 03:34.29 | quadrata | mksqfs /some/dir |
| 03:34.36 | rpc | right |
| 03:34.42 | quadrata | mv the contents of /some/dir to a backup location |
| 03:34.58 | quadrata | mount -t squashfs -o loop squashfs-file /some/dir |
| 03:35.08 | rpc | amasing |
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| 03:35.22 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 03:35.26 | rpc | i appreciate this hint very much |
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| 03:35.38 | rpc | it seems to be what i really needed just had no clue it existed :) |
| 03:35.52 | quadrata | no problem, glad to help |
| 03:35.56 | Azar | the Etch installer snapshots is out, and hey! looks way better than Sarge's |
| 03:36.14 | rpc | i'm so glad, i really am |
| 03:36.36 | quadrata | well, don't get too excited - wait until you actually get it working ;) |
| 03:36.37 | rpc | that's much better than running around and deleting crap in hope that it won't kill my box |
| 03:36.39 | tuv | amarok started taking too much time to load recently? any similar experiences or solutions? |
| 03:36.51 | rpc | i smell problems that will be a bit over my head then |
| 03:37.08 | tuv | and it complains that xine engine can't play mp3! |
| 03:37.11 | quadrata | well, the first time you do something it's always an adventure, eh? |
| 03:37.20 | Azar | liable welcome back and I got a question with the Etch installer: it offers the Grub installation as an option: the only option, what happens if you uncheck the box where sais: Install Grub in the MBR? it installs without a bootloader? |
| 03:37.30 | rpc | and i love adventures :) |
| 03:37.51 | rpc | just going tru the howto right now |
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| 03:38.28 | rpc | quadrata did you ever try squash with union? |
| 03:38.37 | Azar | okk same question redirected to abrotman |
| 03:38.39 | rpc | i wonder if that would really work for read-write |
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| 03:38.51 | rpc | as i could use it e.g. for logs |
| 03:38.54 | quadrata | rpc: yeah, I used it for a while on my livecd |
| 03:39.36 | quadrata | the bulk of the livecd was a squahfs archive - then you overlay it with unionfs and you can write/alter the livecd contents |
| 03:39.40 | rpc | i will do some research now and try to find me some lecture on these |
| 03:39.49 | quadrata | changes aren't persistent through a reboot though |
| 03:39.56 | Azar | damn I forgot it's saturday, it is the ladies night |
| 03:39.58 | rpc | aye |
| 03:39.59 | quadrata | rpc: a lot of livecds use an approach like that |
| 03:40.00 | olskolirc | ok im back |
| 03:40.09 | rpc | i had no clue :) |
| 03:40.12 | PingFloyd | Azar: my guess is that it installs it to the partition instead, so you need something for a boot manager (or loader) |
| 03:40.20 | olskolirc | how come i can't download xmms skins from the website |
| 03:40.27 | Azar | PingFloyd: you installed Etch? |
| 03:40.28 | obsethryl | quadrata? |
| 03:40.29 | quadrata | rpc: unionfs can be buggy though, so just make sure you read up on it first |
| 03:40.35 | obsethryl | now why does that name look familiar |
| 03:40.35 | quadrata | obsethryl: hrm? |
| 03:40.36 | rpc | is the compression ratio comparable to tar/gz? |
| 03:40.37 | PingFloyd | no |
| 03:40.44 | obsethryl | you are not jeremy are you quadrata |
| 03:40.50 | quadrata | that's me |
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| 03:40.56 | rpc | yup, i will certainly implement it slowly and carefuly |
| 03:40.57 | quadrata | who is you? |
| 03:41.06 | Azar | it would be interesting to see how the installer ends with no bootloader.. but then again aptitude install lilo would be ok |
| 03:41.08 | obsethryl | jeremy h. ? |
| 03:41.15 | rpc | thanks so much again guys, time to get some work done now :) |
| 03:41.16 | quadrata | yessir |
| 03:41.21 | obsethryl | can I pm you quadrata |
| 03:41.25 | quadrata | sure |
| 03:41.34 | krazykit | Azar, no. it'll install grub on the main partition, leaving whatever bootloader you have intact |
| 03:41.49 | obsethryl | quadrata: there are away messages |
| 03:41.54 | Azar | krazykit: no way to avoid grub at all? |
| 03:41.54 | obsethryl | plz take them off |
| 03:42.08 | quadrata | I have away messages? |
| 03:42.10 | krazykit | Azar, there might be. iunno. |
| 03:42.17 | Azar | then again.... once I have the CD I will figure it out |
| 03:42.54 | PingFloyd | Azar: why do you want to avoid grub? |
| 03:43.06 | Azar | http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Debian-Installer%20etch%20RC1 |
| 03:43.17 | Azar | PingFloyd: I don't feel ok with grub |
| 03:43.20 | PingFloyd | Azar: it's got some versatility to it |
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| 03:43.39 | PingFloyd | Azar: in some ways it's less of a PITA than lilo |
| 03:43.41 | Azar | PingFloyd: I am used to lilo, I can understand things better with it |
| 03:43.54 | Azar | what is PITA? |
| 03:44.18 | PingFloyd | shorthand for pain in the ass |
| 03:44.30 | Azar | bah, lilo never was a PITA for me |
| 03:44.44 | Azar | I started with lilo as a green beginner and kept it that way |
| 03:45.17 | Jack_H_ | yes lilo's my best friend too |
| 03:45.21 | Azar | what easier than look into the lilo configuration file, and fix stuff? |
| 03:45.38 | Azar | with groob I look in the sky and pray |
| 03:46.05 | PingFloyd | yeah, but with grub, you don't have to rewrite the MBR every time you make a change |
| 03:46.30 | PingFloyd | to it's configuration file (menu.lst) |
| 03:46.57 | Azar | uh? rewrite MBR? so many kernels I changed and the only tiny thing it asked to enter the initrd line in it.. that all |
| 03:48.05 | Azar | PingFloyd: maybe you are right, but in "my" case I go so minimal, no need to drastic changes around. I only go for kernels upgrades |
| 03:48.56 | Azar | the next big challenge with Etch is the nvidia driver... so I might well wait a while until something comes up |
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| 03:49.37 | Azar | same it took few months after Sarge's launch.. |
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| 03:51.15 | geo-rge | right now I have no idea even what cpu I'm going to get, but I do have an intel dualcore |
| 03:51.36 | geo-rge | that's sitting doing nothing |
| 03:52.10 | liable | feel free to send it to me |
| 03:52.16 | Azar | my theory when I buy a pc is: a good pc has the hardware that satisfy most os-es out there. |
| 03:52.46 | Azar | my hardware of choice is amd/nvidia not so new, around 1-2 year old. |
| 03:53.26 | geo-rge | Azar: harder and harder to find. example, I'd like to find a machine that can do win, linux, macos... maybe my only choice is to get a mac |
| 03:54.23 | PingFloyd | yeah, alot of hardware vendors these days seem to think they're in the software business |
| 03:54.29 | Azar | well, as of Jan 1st amd discontinues all his 757 939 series, so sad, I was a fan of Semprons and Athlons |
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| 03:54.52 | geo-rge | did amd buy ati? |
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| 03:54.54 | Azar | luckily I locked - in for me the last Sempron I could find... |
| 03:55.02 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: that's my understanding |
| 03:55.07 | liable | geo-rge: yes |
| 03:55.26 | geo-rge | what's been the visible result? |
| 03:55.30 | Azar | what a disgusting choice: amd allways was making a good pair with nvidia |
| 03:55.42 | y3it221_klce | can i know where can i get the extra packages for Debian, i am working to customizing the Debian minimal live DC |
| 03:55.45 | y3it221_klce | live CD |
| 03:56.07 | geo-rge | y3it221_klce: debian mirror |
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| 03:56.16 | goodshit | Can someone help me out with some scripting. I got 100 of .txt file. and I want to remove whatever is on line 4 - all deleted. What i want to do is just keep line 1 2 3. the rest can be deleted. Anyone know of a simple script that does this?? thanks alot for your help.. |
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| 03:56.35 | y3it221_klce | geo-rge: can i get the link, please |
| 03:56.37 | geo-rge | look into sed |
| 03:56.44 | Azar | y3it221_klce: it would be better if you first start with the kernel version > audio > video (graphic card driver.. X ..) |
| 03:56.45 | goodshit | sed? |
| 03:56.50 | goodshit | can you help me.. |
| 03:56.57 | geo-rge | y3it221_klce: find the list of mirrors on www.debian.org |
| 03:57.20 | y3it221_klce | geo-rge: any more links for help |
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| 03:57.29 | Azar | goodshit: if you would use vim, to write your stuff, there is a vimtutor that teaches you all tricks |
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| 03:57.30 | geo-rge | all at www.debian.org |
| 03:58.06 | goodshit | i don' tuse vim |
| 03:58.07 | geo-rge | y3it221_klce: you're not being anywhere specific enough to deal with... so: look on www.debian.org and see what you can find |
| 03:58.22 | Azar | y3it221_klce: pick packages for your version from here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 03:58.45 | Azar | goodshit: well, that what I use and works good |
| 03:58.48 | PingFloyd | what did you mean by extra packages? |
| 03:58.59 | geo-rge | PingFloyd, exactly |
| 03:59.05 | Strogg | anyone know offhand what you have to apt to get rid of the message about unverified packages when you apt? |
| 03:59.14 | PingFloyd | I've been sitting here trying to decipher exactly what you meant |
| 03:59.19 | geo-rge | that's why I say he's not being specific enough to deal with |
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| 03:59.46 | fwtest | hello, anyone has idea what SBUA behind a user agent mean? |
| 04:00.19 | Azar | Strogg: from the top of my head no, but you can find howto here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch1.en.html |
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| 04:01.19 | y3it221_klce | Azar, i want somethink like the links in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:02.13 | Azar | y3it221_klce: you can look for packages with apt-cache search <packagename> but this only if you know what you want |
| 04:03.03 | Azar | Strogg: then try man apt it gonna list you all fancy options |
| 04:03.30 | y3it221_klce | Azar: yes, i am not sure what should i download, i want something like given in the ubuntuguide.org given under Extra Repositories |
| 04:03.42 | Azar | Strogg: and if you are in console fever, use Links to access internet sites |
| 04:03.42 | PingFloyd | you mean like ... |
| 04:03.43 | PingFloyd | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 04:04.16 | Strogg | Azar: thanks.. but it's not an option.. there's something you have to download and install.. I just can't remember off hand what it is. |
| 04:04.24 | Azar | PingFloyd: no, he wants to see a list of packages that usually come on the entire installation |
| 04:04.37 | y3it221_klce | PinkFloyd: links link this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_extra_repositories |
| 04:04.53 | Azar | ahhhhh darn it |
| 04:05.25 | Azar | y3it221_klce: you want to add more repo links on your /etc/apt/source.list |
| 04:05.34 | Azar | if that is what you want |
| 04:06.06 | Azar | well, packages will not shower on you if you do not know which ones you want |
| 04:06.09 | y3it221_klce | Azar yes, and also some links which will help to know what to install |
| 04:06.48 | Azar | y3it221_klce: what Debian version did you installed? |
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| 04:07.38 | PingFloyd | yeah, just add whatever repos you want to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:08.55 | quadrata | ho hum |
| 04:08.59 | Azar | Strogg: do you use aptitude? |
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| 04:09.28 | Strogg | Azar: it's ok.. I found the answer in the topic.. |
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| 04:09.34 | Strogg | and no.. I use apt |
| 04:09.59 | Azar | Strogg: from Sarge up, aptitude takes better care of dependents than apt-get |
| 04:10.02 | PingFloyd | you can use netselect-apt if you want it to be more automatic |
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| 04:10.54 | Azar | aptitude brings in the package + x-package dependent, + y-package dependent, and de-installs it same way |
| 04:11.01 | Azar | no more garbage left over |
| 04:11.25 | Strogg | Azar: thanks.. but I just used deborphan |
| 04:11.26 | y3it221_klce | Azar: Debian_Live_20061001 is the one i downloaded |
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| 04:11.42 | y3it221_klce | PingFloyd: i will try it |
| 04:11.46 | Azar | deborphan same job as aptitude |
| 04:11.51 | PingFloyd | deborphan is considered depricated I believe |
| 04:12.03 | Azar | yeah but it does the job good |
| 04:12.04 | PingFloyd | might be debfoster I'm thinking of though |
| 04:12.08 | PingFloyd | one of those 2 |
| 04:12.21 | Azar | debfoster is said to be deprecated, but works ok |
| 04:12.45 | PingFloyd | I just use aptitude these days |
| 04:13.04 | PingFloyd | alot less micro-management |
| 04:13.08 | Azar | PingFloyd: can you believe debsecan is out more than a year and is not in stable.. I hope it gets in Etch |
| 04:13.20 | geo-rge | so Aptitude incorporates functionality of debfoster? |
| 04:13.27 | Strogg | I don't mind a bit of micromanagement.. |
| 04:13.28 | Azar | geo-rge: yes |
| 04:13.30 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: yeah |
| 04:13.37 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: and deborphan as well |
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| 04:13.49 | y3it221_klce | PinkFloyd; what do u suggest |
| 04:13.49 | Strogg | what shows when a package is deprecated? |
| 04:14.00 | geo-rge | if it's not available |
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| 04:14.18 | PingFloyd | y3it221_klce: suggest for what? |
| 04:14.27 | Azar | Strogg: I remember back in the apt-get days: I used to get a package, and write the reccommends listed by apt on a list, then install them then those recommends came with their own set of recommends.. jeeeshhhh |
| 04:14.35 | y3it221_klce | PingFloyd: for the repositories |
| 04:14.54 | PingFloyd | I like to put them in manually |
| 04:14.56 | Azar | Strogg: when the maintainer abandons it |
| 04:15.00 | geo-rge | Azar: so you can ask for the recommends tree? |
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| 04:15.20 | blanky | hey guys |
| 04:15.25 | PingFloyd | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 04:15.25 | blanky | what have you guys to say about this? http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 04:15.25 | Azar | geo-rge: nah, I started using aptitude when I upgraded to Sarge. |
| 04:15.31 | PingFloyd | check out that, y3it221_klce |
| 04:15.43 | PingFloyd | that'll guide you in the right direction |
| 04:15.48 | geo-rge | blanky: you're trolling for a war? :) |
| 04:16.08 | blanky | just good fun :') |
| 04:16.18 | geo-rge | that would be something to say about it, wouyldn't it :) |
| 04:16.19 | Azar | gah, no time for stuff like that, blanky |
| 04:16.20 | blanky | I just found that site and i been looking at different articles, this one has cracked me up the most |
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| 04:17.02 | geo-rge | oh is that the one that has plebian and stuff? |
| 04:17.46 | Azar | Strogg: the nicest part of aptitude is when you remove a pacakge, it gets out with its dependents, no need to remember, search and remove friends and family |
| 04:18.14 | y3it221_klce | PingFloyd: thanks |
| 04:18.30 | geo-rge | but what happens if later on I install something that uses a proper subset of the depends of something else? |
| 04:18.37 | PingFloyd | np |
| 04:18.44 | geo-rge | and then I remove the somethingelse |
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| 04:19.02 | Azar | geo-rge: it will tell you beforehand of what could happen if you remove it |
| 04:19.20 | sid | chugga: How is it going? |
| 04:19.33 | geo-rge | I'll take your word for now... no time to explore that fully |
| 04:19.40 | PingFloyd | blanky: my guess is that it was written by a disgruntled user that was the butt of the joke of funroll's website |
| 04:20.17 | Azar | geo-rge: if you have aptitude installed, you can read at /usr/share/doc/aptitude the README file, interesting things you can find there |
| 04:21.02 | geo-rge | maybe I do have enough time to determine set of packages installed which are not in my /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 04:21.04 | Azar | aptitude also have a minesweeper game in ascii :) |
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| 04:21.08 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 04:21.21 | geo-rge | Azar: thanks, good suggestion |
| 04:22.41 | geo-rge | do I have this right: dpkg-getselections | less |
| 04:22.43 | chugga | sid, okay. its 44% done. says 1 hour and 17 minutes left! |
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| 04:26.23 | PingFloyd | geo-rge: I'm not sure, I've never used dpkg-getselections program before |
| 04:26.28 | geo-rge | why is dpkg throwing an error when I say dpkg --getselections |
| 04:26.37 | PingFloyd | oh... |
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| 04:26.58 | geo-rge | PingFloyd, I had the wrong name :) |
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| 04:27.18 | PingFloyd | I see now |
| 04:27.39 | geo-rge | ahh, found it |
| 04:27.51 | PingFloyd | maybe it needs another parameter |
| 04:27.54 | geo-rge | the correct name is dpkg --get-selections |
| 04:27.57 | PingFloyd | like a wildcard or something |
| 04:28.38 | PingFloyd | I hardly ever fuss with dpkg these days, so I'm rusty |
| 04:28.46 | PingFloyd | aptitude helps do away with that |
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| 04:29.31 | geo-rge | there's no doing away for me :) I -always- use dpkg when functionality there exists but doesn't in the wrappers... sometimes even if it does |
| 04:29.45 | geo-rge | try dpkg --help; there is a lot it can do |
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| 04:30.32 | PingFloyd | yeah |
| 04:30.42 | PingFloyd | it's nice to have to fall back on |
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| 04:31.37 | PingFloyd | does anyone still use deselect? |
| 04:31.57 | Strogg | I always have a hard time believing anyone ever did use it |
| 04:31.58 | PingFloyd | s/deselect/dselect |
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| 04:33.04 | geo-rge | that's a horrible piece of crap... its user interface does not let you do anything reasonable, and more importantly, does not hide or fail to suggest things that cannot be done at whatever given points |
| 04:33.49 | geo-rge | it forces you to remember things it knows |
| 04:34.06 | PingFloyd | sounds terrible |
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| 04:34.31 | PingFloyd | anything that requires remembering things, is out :) |
| 04:34.49 | geo-rge | when you run it within the confines of how it was designed, it's ok... but it's almost never clear about those boundaries |
| 04:34.55 | PingFloyd | I figure a computer is so I can forget |
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| 04:35.43 | Azar | hmm iceweasel gave results: mozilla now inclined to collaborate. I guess I will still go for iceweasel when I will install Etch |
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| 04:36.44 | geo-rge | yeah, if you use mozilla now, iceweasel will incorporate your bookmarkd |
| 04:36.47 | geo-rge | s |
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| 04:38.49 | Linux_Jones | what is the map line about in etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 04:39.29 | geo-rge | Linux_Jones: man 5 interfaces |
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| 04:46.12 | n3kl | Hi |
| 04:46.20 | sid | !greet n3kl |
| 04:46.20 | dpkg | Welcome, n3kl |
| 04:47.27 | n3kl | I am trying to create a way to sync the home directories on two machines. I use the machines at different dimes, so it is up in the air which will have the latest version of the file. |
| 04:47.54 | n3kl | I am reading the rsync man page right now, but it looks like it is onle one direction. |
| 04:47.59 | sid | !tell n3kl about unison |
| 04:48.07 | n3kl | Is there a way to sync the directories in both directories? |
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| 04:49.33 | Tockers | Hey, folk. Need some help with x. |
| 04:49.49 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 04:49.49 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 04:49.49 | Tockers | Anyone willing to oblige rather than gouging my eyes out with a housekey? |
| 04:49.52 | n3kl | sid: thanks, I think that might be what I am looking for |
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| 04:50.12 | n3kl | off topic, anyone know how to close a direct chat in irssi? |
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| 04:50.32 | sid | !tell Tockers about ask |
| 04:50.32 | Tockers | Sicco? o.o |
| 04:50.33 | Acid | Hi everyone |
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| 04:50.40 | sid | !greet Acid |
| 04:50.40 | dpkg | Hi there, Acid |
| 04:50.48 | sid | n3kl: /wc ? |
| 04:50.53 | quadrata | !greet dpkg |
| 04:50.54 | dpkg | Hello, dpkg |
| 04:51.06 | Tockers | Rightio. I'm running debian (sarge?), I'm trying to get xfree86 up, but it's spitting out an error when trying to load the mouse. |
| 04:51.10 | Acid | i need help with wallpaper-tray |
| 04:51.10 | Tockers | As... far as I can tell. |
| 04:51.16 | sid | !tell Tockers about version |
| 04:51.18 | n3kl | sid: thanks again |
| 04:51.26 | Tockers | I have no /dev/mouse and no /dev/input/mice |
| 04:51.28 | Tockers | Wait, brb. |
| 04:51.37 | geo-rge | ok, that would be a problem |
| 04:51.48 | Acid | it doesnt do nothing in the botton add directory |
| 04:51.58 | Acid | in the configuration |
| 04:52.03 | geo-rge | first what is the exact text of the message you are getting... |
| 04:52.05 | tuv | amarok complains that xine-engine cannot play mp3. this is a recent problem. any known fixes? |
| 04:52.19 | geo-rge | second what kind of mouse do you have |
| 04:52.28 | sid | !tell tuv about bts |
| 04:52.33 | geo-rge | third I gotta get water! |
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| 04:53.10 | Acid | anybody know if wallpaper-tray works well in debian? |
| 04:53.11 | Tockers | Cannot open device /dev/blah, device not found. |
| 04:53.23 | Tockers | Oops, sorry. "no such device". |
| 04:53.40 | Tockers | It's a generic ps/2 mouse. :/ |
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| 04:53.46 | Azar | Tockers: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg) there you config your mouse |
| 04:53.53 | tuv | sid, nothing there |
| 04:53.57 | sid | Tockers: as root, modprobe psmouse |
| 04:54.10 | sid | Tockers: Then /etc/init.d/gdm restart; |
| 04:54.36 | Tockers | I'm not using gdm. >.> |
| 04:54.44 | Acid | why my wallpaper-tray configuration doesnt work? |
| 04:55.05 | sid | Tockers: Then kdm or whatever you're using. |
| 04:55.13 | Azar | Acid: I never use a wallpaper tray, I use feh to set bgimage |
| 04:55.32 | Acid | feh? |
| 04:55.45 | Azar | Acid: sorry you may be using a desktop manager, I don't |
| 04:56.12 | Azar | ask in #gnome or #kde I have no idea about desktops |
| 04:56.20 | Acid | ok |
| 04:56.28 | Acid | thanks |
| 04:56.43 | Tockers | xfce. |
| 04:57.20 | Tockers | Anywhom, I'm going to fiddle about and... yeah. I'll come back if I can't figure ANYTHING out, and thanks for everything. :) |
| 04:57.23 | Tockers | Ta. :) |
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| 04:58.40 | n3kl | sid: wow, unison is really nice |
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| 05:01.22 | arcticfoxslash | hello. I am use to Gentoo but want to put debian on my laptop due to issues that its 700mhz and liked debian when I did use it though I forgot alot of things about debian. Gentoo use rc-update to add init.d scripts to runlevels. What is the equivlent for debian? |
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| 05:02.34 | geo-rge | man update-rc.d |
| 05:03.00 | arcticfoxslash | OK thanks geo-rge |
| 05:03.04 | geo-rge | but when you install debian packages with daemons... |
| 05:03.19 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.27 | arcticfoxslash | right now I am DLing the ISO at the moment |
| 05:03.27 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.42 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:03.51 | minerale | Is it possible to increase the resolution of the default terminal in debian? and I don't mean an X based terminal -- I mean just the traditional screen buffer - how can one increase the resolution on those ? |
| 05:03.55 | arcticfoxslash | geo-rge: understandable but some things I dont want running all the time |
| 05:04.09 | arcticfoxslash | or running on all runlevels |
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| 05:04.25 | geo-rge | then you'll be customizing your runlevels |
| 05:04.26 | arcticfoxslash | how is debian to PCMCIA Prism 2 cards? |
| 05:04.34 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 05:04.51 | krazykit | minerale, framebuffer. |
| 05:04.55 | geo-rge | what part of debian supports prism2? |
| 05:05.22 | geo-rge | (and there is an answer to that :) |
| 05:05.49 | caimlas | I've not been into linux for a while (rather, I've not run it) and haven't been paying attention to deveopment. sarge had just gone stable when my main machine bit the dust, so... basically, I'm just wondering which distribution is in the best state of 'useable' right now. is testing pretty stable, or is it receiving a lot of downstream and breakage from sid? |
| 05:05.50 | geo-rge | hint: what part of debian supports hardware devices? |
| 05:05.57 | arcticfoxslash | hopefully it will work. Otherwise I may just use my anthros card if there is support for that |
| 05:05.58 | minerale | krazykit: what about framebuffer? |
| 05:06.31 | geo-rge | BIG BIG hint: what part of gentoorts hardware devices? |
| 05:06.37 | Strogg | I'm running testing on 3 different boxes.. haven't had any breakage.. though I don't dist-upgrade too often |
| 05:06.42 | geo-rge | BIG BIG hint: what part of gentoo supports hardware devices? |
| 05:06.57 | PingFloyd | minerale: you can use vesafb for that |
| 05:07.03 | caimlas | re: topic - is the etch rc1 installer being a broken down whore? |
| 05:07.17 | minerale | krazykit: do I have to recompile the kernel for that? |
| 05:07.22 | arcticfoxslash | geo-rge: gentoo is compiled debian is binary. thus the question |
| 05:07.23 | geo-rge | !tell caimlas -about bts |
| 05:07.40 | caimlas | Strogg, what kind of package differences are there from sarge, in general? moving things along, or not all that much difference right now? |
| 05:08.11 | geo-rge | arcticfoxslash: does that mean you cannot compile things yourself? |
| 05:08.19 | Strogg | caimlas: in my mind stable+backports = server. testing=desktop. unstable=developper |
| 05:08.20 | caimlas | geo-rge, I'm aware of the bts; I was wondering if there was something of particular note given it was being talked about in the topic. |
| 05:08.22 | geo-rge | or do you need wireless support during install? |
| 05:08.29 | arcticfoxslash | I care not to on the laptop its so slow |
| 05:08.40 | arcticfoxslash | I need wirless durring install |
| 05:08.42 | minerale | pingfloyd: i'm having trouble finding documenation on any of the things y'all mentioned |
| 05:08.56 | arcticfoxslash | unless I want to unplug a computer from the net |
| 05:09.06 | caimlas | Strogg, ah. yeah, that's my general concensus, but I've had testing and sid screw the pooch on me too many times in the past. |
| 05:09.30 | geo-rge | caimlas: so what did your lengthy research of the bts to determine what if any problems were reported about the installer reveal? |
| 05:10.16 | geo-rge | (my assumption: if you're aware of the bts, you already checked it thoroughly) |
| 05:10.24 | Strogg | caimlas: *shrug* I'm running it on my desktop at work.. seems pretty good. there's also some apt program that looks at the BTS and finds problems with packages you install.. good way to avoid breakage |
| 05:10.30 | Strogg | don't recall the name offhand though |
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| 05:11.06 | PingFloyd | minerale: the doc that come with the kernel source have some good info |
| 05:12.56 | caimlas | geo-rge, something about a package named geo-rge having a critical politeness fault requiring some bit adjustment via lart |
| 05:12.57 | PingFloyd | Strogg: aptitude does |
| 05:13.17 | caimlas | Strogg, hmmm right, I forgot about that. |
| 05:13.36 | Strogg | PingFloyd: you sound like a commercial. is the aptitude maintainer paying you to say all this? |
| 05:13.38 | geo-rge | caimlas: why should I act any different if you haven't checked what you should? (this would indicate politeness on your part, btw) |
| 05:13.40 | ongeboren | synaptic package manager too, if i'm not mistaken |
| 05:14.02 | arcticfoxslash | my poor friend is using linspire... I need to smack some sense into him |
| 05:14.06 | geo-rge | if you want politeness, be polite |
| 05:15.02 | geo-rge | otherwise, I'll moreorless politely have you check things out (which I did... now what?) |
| 05:15.05 | arcticfoxslash | though at least he uses linux |
| 05:16.23 | PingFloyd | Strogg: if you don't want to hear about a program that has a feature you wish for, then why advertise to the channel that you wish for such a feature? |
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| 05:17.17 | TTT_Travis | whats the command on debian that lets me see what ports are in use? |
| 05:18.00 | PingFloyd | so, in other words, you're just whining |
| 05:18.28 | Strogg | if that's what makes you feel better, sure. |
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| 05:19.10 | caimlas | geo-rge, whatever, mate. |
| 05:19.40 | caimlas | was just wondering if there was something specific, which someone present in the channel might be able to address, that was causing particular strife in D-I |
| 05:20.03 | geo-rge | caimlas: so what did you find out on the subject? |
| 05:20.06 | caimlas | no need for you to present yourself with a pinecone up your ass |
| 05:20.19 | geo-rge | its a simple question |
| 05:20.32 | caimlas | geo-rge, the only thing of notriety might be that netinst sometimes barfs with 2.6.17 (something like that) or later kernels. |
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| 05:21.29 | caimlas | unless you use pkgsel |
| 05:22.28 | geo-rge | not quite understanding... pkgsel is used before or after first reboot? |
| 05:22.52 | geo-rge | what kernel are you using/interested in using? |
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| 05:23.59 | caimlas | geo-rge, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400313 |
| 05:24.28 | magdalene | better watch it |
| 05:25.12 | magdalene | i have sharp claws |
| 05:25.13 | magdalene | concentrated acid for blood and an exoskeleton made of silicon |
| 05:25.25 | geo-rge | that would hurt... |
| 05:25.32 | geo-rge | I'll be staying away :P |
| 05:25.35 | magdalene | oh, and an inner smiley |
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| 05:25.48 | krazykit | magdalene, then you couldn't possibly live. |
| 05:25.55 | caimlas | geo-rge, it looks like it might be specific to the italian installer, actually |
| 05:25.55 | krazykit | don't mess with the biology person :-P |
| 05:26.03 | magdalene | }:)}) |
| 05:26.15 | caimlas | so basically, nobody cares. :P |
| 05:26.27 | magdalene | don't mess with an alien |
| 05:26.37 | caimlas | either that or its specific to one person's machine |
| 05:26.39 | geo-rge | caimlas: the weird thing is it's trying to run dpkg --configure --pending while some part of dpkg is already running |
| 05:26.42 | caimlas | the guy that posted it looks like a tool |
| 05:27.06 | caimlas | geo-rge, yeah, from the looks of it something earlier fucked itself and pkgsel couldn't continue |
| 05:27.20 | magdalene | ......riiipleeeeeeeee ieeeeeeee !!!!! slurp. |
| 05:27.22 | caimlas | I'ma givin' it a shot. |
| 05:28.42 | geo-rge | caimlas: hmm, it looks like at the bottom he tried using english for the installer and it worked... what lang did you pick? |
| 05:28.49 | caimlas | now lessie if I can recall how to do the prerequisite setup for a netboot... |
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| 05:29.05 | caimlas | geo-rge, nowhere near that far yet. :) |
| 05:29.06 | sjr | How can I get a list of files a package installs? |
| 05:29.09 | geo-rge | caimlas: oh gawd, I never tried that |
| 05:29.20 | caimlas | it's my preferred method of install. |
| 05:29.28 | caimlas | has been since 2003 or so, I think. |
| 05:29.45 | geo-rge | hmm... can you do that with a netinst cd? |
| 05:29.49 | caimlas | but, I haven't even used a linux desktop for about a year now, though. nevermind installed. so I'm a bit rusty. |
| 05:30.00 | centrx | sjr dpkg -S |
| 05:30.01 | caimlas | geo-rge, do what? netboot? |
| 05:30.05 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 05:30.07 | caimlas | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 05:30.08 | caimlas | no |
| 05:30.18 | caimlas | well, you might be able to pull the necessary files off it. I don't know if they're there. |
| 05:30.25 | geo-rge | oic, so you need specific pieces to do that |
| 05:31.18 | geo-rge | ok, let me ask you this... can you try the install again, this time holding off on configuring the net until you get the base installed? |
| 05:31.20 | caimlas | yeah I don't recall specifics... at one time I set up a cusotm netboot repository and "imaged" a whole lab of computers, but htat was a couple years ago. |
| 05:31.51 | caimlas | geo-rge, I've not had any problems, because I've not tried anything yet. I don't have a problem, per se; I was just prodding for information. |
| 05:32.37 | geo-rge | you could have said that :P I thought this whole time you were actually trying to do something... |
| 05:33.51 | magdalene | god |
| 05:33.57 | magdalene | i remember doing tech with ppl like this for isps |
| 05:34.02 | magdalene | sorry caimlas |
| 05:34.24 | geo-rge | how can we know anything about one or more hypothetical problems... but having said that, you have a few choices now |
| 05:34.24 | caimlas | geo-rge, I did say that, several times :P or so I thought. |
| 05:34.28 | PingFloyd | lol |
| 05:34.47 | magdalene | its a bit off putting thinking you are walking someone through something |
| 05:35.18 | magdalene | and then finding out they aren't actually doing anything |
| 05:35.18 | magdalene | when people are volunteering their time to be here |
| 05:35.18 | magdalene | i understand you want the info before you do it |
| 05:35.18 | geo-rge | and it turns out there's nothing yet to walk through |
| 05:35.39 | caimlas | geo-rge, no no no. me: asked if there was anything specific re: topic rc1 comment that was causing problems, you: what did you find out on the subject; me: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=400313 |
| 05:36.00 | magdalene | but the otherside of the coin is, the ppl here are trying to help and when you are just gathering info you should say so |
| 05:36.07 | Miles_Prower | Q. How do I determine the bandwidth being output over my WAN connection, and determine how much of that is being funneled by IPTables from the LAN side, how much is from the server itself? |
| 05:36.12 | caimlas | magdalene, was that in reference to me? |
| 05:36.43 | geo-rge | caimlas: ok, so then, (1) I thought you were posting something that was relevent to something you were actually doing, but (2) it revealed that there was some problem wrt language selection |
| 05:36.49 | caimlas | magdalene, I did say so, initially. |
| 05:37.11 | caimlas | <caimlas> re: topic - is the etch rc1 installer being a broken down whore? |
| 05:37.19 | chugga | sid, it has finished downloading the packages. now it is installing them. i hope it works! |
| 05:37.20 | caimlas | that's how this whole confusion started. :) |
| 05:37.43 | magdalene | split |
| 05:37.43 | caimlas | geo-rge, my appoligies for any fuckup on my part. ;) |
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| 05:38.17 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, nload is a good program for that. |
| 05:38.23 | Linux_Jones | does anyone know the package name for libz? |
| 05:38.36 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, is that a CLI application? |
| 05:38.42 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, I don't think it can get that granular, but you can compare graphs on seperate eth devices to figure the difference. |
| 05:38.48 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, yes, graphical cli |
| 05:38.53 | geo-rge | caimlas: np... evidently we both had to jump over complementary straddles to get to a synchronous state |
| 05:39.02 | caimlas | geo-rge, hehe |
| 05:39.08 | caimlas | no worries |
| 05:39.28 | geo-rge | it took an acid-blooded alien to calm us down :P |
| 05:39.39 | caimlas | the discussion kinda jumped 3 or 4 topics, which was likely no small part of th econfusion. |
| 05:39.45 | caimlas | geo-rge, you mean a woman? |
| 05:39.46 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, I run nload and it complains that eth0 does not exist. |
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| 05:39.58 | unseensoul | how do i add fonts to the font's server? |
| 05:40.10 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, so does it? |
| 05:40.12 | magdalene | he means a lagged magdalene |
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| 05:40.18 | caimlas | and if not, specify a different device. |
| 05:40.26 | geo-rge | lagd magd! |
| 05:40.36 | Miles_Prower | Ok, now, how to get it to show multiple devices? |
| 05:40.38 | caimlas | ok bbiab, smoke and netboot fucking. |
| 05:40.40 | Miles_Prower | I have it showing wan |
| 05:40.56 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, you'd have to do it in different consoles/terminals/screens. it only displays one at a time. |
| 05:41.56 | Miles_Prower | K, any way to restrict it to show only activity on port 80? |
| 05:41.59 | geo-rge | caimlas: perhaps there are places to ask/separate btses to query on that |
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| 05:42.03 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, nload -u K eth# where # is the device yo uwant to watch. ifconfig shows available devs |
| 05:42.07 | geo-rge | oops, I gotta go play bass |
| 05:42.17 | magdalene | geo |
| 05:42.18 | caimlas | geo-rge, later. |
| 05:42.23 | magdalene | electric or standup |
| 05:42.28 | geo-rge | elec |
| 05:42.38 | magdalene | cool |
| 05:42.38 | geo-rge | oh it is :) |
| 05:42.38 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, neither of my IF's are in the eth# format, but I got it to work. |
| 05:42.40 | magdalene | ciao |
| 05:42.57 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, well that's fine. it doesn't matter. |
| 05:42.58 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, for easier use, I renamed them wan and lan, as I set up my iptables routing. |
| 05:43.00 | geo-rge | nice chatting... except we sorta didn't yet :) |
| 05:43.09 | magdalene | indeed |
| 05:43.10 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, any way to restrict it to port 80 traffic display? |
| 05:43.15 | geo-rge | it was all fairly indirect |
| 05:43.24 | caimlas | a device is a device. if you could get a hd throughput to show up in ifconfig, I don't think nload would mind |
| 05:43.33 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, sensible. |
| 05:43.57 | geo-rge | magdalene: and finally... thanks for having my back |
| 05:44.01 | magdalene | np |
| 05:44.26 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, are you trying to query a live assessment, or do you want aggregate data? there are better tools for such things if you want aggregate. |
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| 05:44.54 | caimlas | magdalene, a debian fern? is that like a marajuana plant? :P |
| 05:45.05 | Miles_Prower | I want to see how much of our upstream is my webserver (hosted on the PC) and how much is on the internal network. |
| 05:45.09 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, |
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| 05:45.28 | magdalene | no, its cover in case any #debian_herbivores wander by |
| 05:45.37 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, are you having throughput restriction problems? |
| 05:45.39 | magdalene | then i can eat them |
| 05:45.50 | caimlas | lol magdalene |
| 05:46.02 | caimlas | those damn herbavores have been avoiding me all season. |
| 05:46.05 | Miles_Prower | caimlas as in, problems with outgoing http requests under high server load? yes. |
| 05:46.29 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, this a work environment or home? |
| 05:46.34 | caimlas | what else does the server do? |
| 05:46.42 | phillywhitetrash | how mutch longer till etch is released? |
| 05:46.46 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, home. runs webserver, ssh for when i need it, and routs for us. |
| 05:47.04 | caimlas | "us" being how many hosts? |
| 05:47.08 | caimlas | and what kind? |
| 05:47.14 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, 5, windows. |
| 05:47.41 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, what kind of uplink provider? |
| 05:47.55 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, 15/2 cable via Brighthouse/Roadrunner. |
| 05:48.02 | caimlas | and how do you know the outgoing http requests occur under high server load? |
| 05:48.21 | caimlas | what kind of problems? |
| 05:48.35 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, netstat shows many connects to http whenever that's happening. pages time out, outgoing pings sometimes fail. |
| 05:48.47 | caimlas | I'm guessing 15/2 means 15Mbit down and 2Mbit up? |
| 05:48.53 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Correct. |
| 05:49.10 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, though usually I get somewhere around 2.2 out of it. |
| 05:49.18 | caimlas | is the web page high traffic? |
| 05:49.19 | wireddd_ | down or up? |
| 05:49.26 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Yes. |
| 05:49.32 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Including video files. |
| 05:49.49 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, mainly for internal or external? |
| 05:49.54 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, external. |
| 05:50.11 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, what kind of server hardware? |
| 05:50.22 | caimlas | (I'm just asking these questions so I can help you figure out what is the problem) |
| 05:50.34 | arcticfoxslash | ^^ |
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| 05:50.43 | wireddd_ | Miles_Prower, just do ifconfig and compare the rx and tx data |
| 05:50.56 | wireddd_ | from both of your interfaces |
| 05:51.07 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, P4 HT 3ghz, 1024MB DDR266, 3 300gb SATAII/300 16mb cache Seagate Barracudas in raid5 for storage, 40gb Maxtor for boot. |
| 05:51.15 | caimlas | wireddd, that's not going to tell him anything he can do anything with, I don't think. |
| 05:51.30 | caimlas | you can have a lot of connections and still have negligible throughput |
| 05:51.50 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, (and to think, I got all of it for free, except the 3 300's. XD) |
| 05:51.54 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, ok, and you normally get 2.2Mbit uplink throughput? |
| 05:52.13 | wireddd_ | he needs realtime throughput |
| 05:52.22 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, holds fairly steady at that, when people are on webserver. when it's off, seems to show about .8mbit/s. |
| 05:52.29 | caimlas | so about 27kbit |
| 05:52.32 | Miles_Prower | with webserver disabled |
| 05:52.36 | caimlas | er kbytes/s |
| 05:53.18 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, wait, so you get less throughput when the server is disabled? |
| 05:53.22 | Miles_Prower | http://tails.kicks-ass.net/index.php?action=disp&topic=1 <-- shows in lower part, a bar made by bwbar showing 2mibt/s top |
| 05:53.37 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, No, it's just that very little is used when server is disabled. |
| 05:54.29 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, and when apache is off, no fuckage on http requests? |
| 05:54.36 | caimlas | i'm guessing the fuckage was timeouts? |
| 05:54.43 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, I do not use apache. and yes, timeouts. |
| 05:55.01 | caimlas | which server are you using? |
| 05:55.06 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Lighttpd. |
| 05:55.11 | caimlas | ah |
| 05:55.17 | caimlas | I know nothing about that. |
| 05:55.19 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, with fastcgi php5 |
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| 05:55.36 | caimlas | but, I'm going to guess it might have some problems with large connection counts. |
| 05:55.39 | caimlas | why aren't yo uusing apache? |
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| 05:56.13 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Due to a friend (who knows linux very well) using lighttpd and actually testing it.. performs better in this configuration than apache. XD |
| 05:57.00 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Also, apache has a bunch of extra options/functionality I did not need. |
| 05:57.06 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, I don't know lighthttpd, but I'm skeptical. |
| 05:57.47 | Miles_Prower | Lighttpd http://www.lighttpd.net/ |
| 05:58.06 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, I'm going to guess it's one of several things: upstream connection throttling (by ISP), web server problems (due to claimed high process and connection load when there's server activity), or a combination of the two. |
| 05:58.46 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, what kind of hit count do you get daily on that site? |
| 05:58.54 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Aye, which leads to my next question. How do I restrict my upstream to say, 2.1 to avoid throttling, and share evenly between internal and htt |
| 05:59.08 | Miles_Prower | http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=sm8tkanet |
| 05:59.16 | wireddd_ | how much cpu usage does lighttpd cause under full load? |
| 05:59.32 | caimlas | ah, you want to throttle local requests. I'm not sure how to do that; you'd use iptables, obviously, but I don't recall how to do so. |
| 05:59.34 | Miles_Prower | wireddd_, I do not know. |
| 06:00.03 | Miles_Prower | caimlas: I wish to throttle both local www and the users inside . |
| 06:00.06 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, well, when it's running and there's site traffic, what's uptime say? |
| 06:00.10 | caimlas | for load avg |
| 06:00.18 | wireddd_ | Miles_Prower, I use throttling on my routers upload so it doesn't choke my download, let me log into it and see which piece of software I used |
| 06:00.38 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, I don't know. |
| 06:01.59 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, current 'uptime' result. http://tails.kicks-ass.net/uptime.txt |
| 06:02.57 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, nothing on your server is causing the problems. i'm guessing it's upstream connection count throttling. |
| 06:03.18 | caimlas | or just way, way too much traffic for such a small upload rate. |
| 06:03.28 | Miles_Prower | HEH. that's most likely. |
| 06:03.31 | sid | chugga: Is it done installing? |
| 06:03.36 | Miles_Prower | I wish i could get more upload. |
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| 06:03.47 | Miles_Prower | unfortunately BHN will not run fiber into our complex. |
| 06:03.49 | chugga | sid, not yet. but i think its close to finishing |
| 06:03.51 | caimlas | you're going to have to do one of to things: decrease the popularity of your site, or get a better hosting arrangement |
| 06:03.55 | Miles_Prower | then i could get 10/10 for what I am paying for this. |
| 06:04.23 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Hah! Well, I can't do #1, nor afford #2. |
| 06:04.29 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, for $6 a month, godaddy hosts 500G of space w/ 500G of throughput. |
| 06:04.30 | Miles_Prower | So I'm boned, verily. |
| 06:04.46 | wireddd_ | Miles_Prower, there is alot of info on traffic shapping/throttling here http://www.linux.com/howtos/Traffic-Control-HOWTO/index.shtml |
| 06:04.52 | caimlas | you'd be decreasing the popularity of your site by restricting throughput. |
| 06:05.14 | caimlas | the link wireddd posted is your best non-cost solution. |
| 06:05.22 | chugga | sid, ok, its done |
| 06:05.25 | caimlas | but really, it isn't. |
| 06:05.28 | Miles_Prower | IT's already restricted to 3/4 bandwidth using the built in limit on lighttpd, and 40kbit/s per connection |
| 06:05.31 | caimlas | (a solution) |
| 06:05.43 | caimlas | heh |
| 06:05.59 | caimlas | wtf are you hosting that takes so much bandwidth? |
| 06:06.05 | chugga | sid, executing this now: apt-get update && apt-get -f dist-upgrade; apt-get install pciutils; lspci; |
| 06:06.12 | Miles_Prower | Example: 250mb DivX videos. |
| 06:06.19 | Miles_Prower | Music files. |
| 06:06.22 | Supaplex | caimlas: the omniscience debian package. ;) |
| 06:06.23 | Miles_Prower | Etc. |
| 06:06.25 | wireddd_ | hosting anything on a cable connection is going to cause problems |
| 06:06.30 | unseensoul | how do i add fonts to the font's server? |
| 06:06.37 | caimlas | Supaplex, i have no idea what that is. |
| 06:06.45 | Miles_Prower | Been doing it here for near 3 yrs. |
| 06:06.46 | Supaplex | caimlas: </joke> |
| 06:06.54 | Miles_Prower | the problems only started about.. 5 months ago. |
| 06:07.01 | caimlas | Supaplex, I figured it was an obscure, never-used package of some sort. :P |
| 06:07.11 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, has the site become more popular? |
| 06:07.19 | Supaplex | it's imaginary :-X |
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| 06:07.26 | Supaplex | you'd run out of disk space installing it... |
| 06:07.27 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, according to others, yes. |
| 06:07.38 | chugga | sid, ok, its finished. no errors at all :) |
| 06:07.57 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Others have been linking to other sonic fansites, my site. |
| 06:08.08 | caimlas | hard to believe there are that many sonic fans |
| 06:08.27 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, you can't afford $6 a month? |
| 06:08.29 | chugga | sid, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hQmuOY79.html |
| 06:08.35 | sid | chugga: do # apt-get update && apt-get -f dist-upgrade; apt-get install pciutils; lspci; then put the output of lspci on www.rafb.net/paste and we'll get that wireless working. |
| 06:08.38 | Miles_Prower | not on top of what I am |
| 06:08.38 | sid | hehe, k |
| 06:08.43 | chugga | sid, yes, there it is |
| 06:08.56 | Miles_Prower | http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s=sm8tkanet&r=79&d=1210&md=1&pg=1&v=100 (Well, it is truly a global fandom. though mostly the US) |
| 06:09.00 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, well, those are the options. take a look at that traffic shaping link. |
| 06:09.09 | Miles_Prower | New Zealand even |
| 06:09.16 | Miles_Prower | and RR outa hawaii. |
| 06:09.17 | Miles_Prower | hehe |
| 06:09.59 | caimlas | eh my blog gets more traffic. |
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| 06:10.18 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, do you host your blog yourself/ |
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| 06:10.19 | caimlas | well, not really. but i like to pretend. |
| 06:10.27 | caimlas | blog + forums do, though. |
| 06:10.31 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, no, it's on godaddy. |
| 06:10.51 | sid | chugga: What does uname -r show you? |
| 06:10.58 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, If it's like my ex-friend, who had godaddy hosting the files as a mirror, godaddy will just close this account like they did his. |
| 06:11.04 | chugga | sid, 2.6.12-1-386 |
| 06:11.23 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, why would they close your's? |
| 06:11.40 | Miles_Prower | caimlas, Files 'copyrighted' to sega. |
| 06:11.52 | caimlas | Miles_Prower, what kind of files are they?! |
| 06:12.10 | wireddd_ | Miles_Prower, you really shouldn't provide those on a webserver |
| 06:12.12 | Miles_Prower | Television episodes, game disk images, more. |
| 06:12.30 | Supaplex | well DEH |
| 06:12.36 | sid | chugga: apt-get install build-essential linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 06:12.45 | wireddd_ | especially since you are in the us |
| 06:12.46 | Miles_Prower | Hah, my uname doesn't say anything about what it is. |
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| 06:13.03 | Miles_Prower | only says 2.86.18.2 |
| 06:13.07 | Miles_Prower | *2.6.18.2 |
| 06:13.09 | chugga | sid, ok, says 10mins to go |
| 06:13.17 | arcticfoxslash | yay 5 more hours |
| 06:13.37 | wireddd_ | 5 more hours of what? |
| 06:13.48 | sid | chugga: After that is done, reboot...then follow this guide: http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Debian |
| 06:13.51 | arcticfoxslash | for the ISO to download :P |
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| 06:14.11 | Miles_Prower | Eww, ISO. |
| 06:14.29 | wireddd_ | netinstall is the coolest |
| 06:15.05 | wireddd_ | the buisness card netinstall cd is what 50mb? |
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| 06:15.31 | chugga | sid, okay. man, i would have no idea what to do without your help. really appreciate it |
| 06:15.53 | emss | is there any reason not to try reiserfs 4? |
| 06:16.10 | emss | should I expect to lose all my data? |
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| 06:16.27 | ehc | is etch the same as unstable? |
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| 06:16.31 | emss | no |
| 06:16.32 | sid | ehc: no |
| 06:16.34 | emss | etch is testing |
| 06:16.43 | p3rti | hi |
| 06:16.50 | emss | though for the most part to me |
| 06:16.54 | ehc | emss, oh. |
| 06:16.56 | emss | unstable is stable for a desktop |
| 06:17.13 | wireddd_ | I wouldn't go that far |
| 06:17.29 | wireddd_ | unstable *can* be stable for the desktop |
| 06:17.30 | magdalene | is it state the oppisits nite? |
| 06:17.31 | emss | wireddd_ well I have been running it for quite some time without issues |
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| 06:19.21 | sid | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ ; haha the driver devs for your chipset chugga are directing tech support questoins to texas instruments. that's funny |
| 06:19.34 | magdalene | ooh |
| 06:19.48 | wireddd_ | emss, 0 issues? or 0 issues that you couldn't sort out with some apt-fu |
| 06:20.37 | Dewi | I think the list of bugs in unstable is well documented at bugs.debian.org |
| 06:20.37 | sid | chugga: Actually after you reboot..I believe the wireless will _just work_. I'm not sure, but I think the newer kernel that is installing will have support for your driver by default. |
| 06:20.52 | magdalene | its dayglow green |
| 06:21.02 | magdalene | matches my eyes |
| 06:21.21 | chugga | sid, that would be very sweet indeed. it seemed like i had to download a bunch of things, and edit files in /etc/ |
| 06:22.25 | magdalene | chugga luck with the reboot |
| 06:23.04 | chugga | magdalene, cheers :) |
| 06:23.12 | emss | so no one has anything bad to say about reiserfs 4? |
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| 06:23.24 | sid | chugga: actually no I'm wrong. Texas Instruments is evil and has a binary firmware that is necessary it appears. So it can't go into the mainline kernel since it is non-free(as in freedom not price) |
| 06:23.48 | Dewi | emss: reiser doesn't have a great reputation generally |
| 06:23.57 | chugga | sid, ah for shame. |
| 06:24.08 | magdalene | sorry i missed the first part of this conversation |
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| 06:24.16 | magdalene | what are you installing on chugga |
| 06:24.25 | chugga | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 06:24.46 | magdalene | aiee |
| 06:24.54 | emss | magdalene because he was charged with murdering his wife? |
| 06:25.05 | chugga | magdalene, on testing |
| 06:25.38 | magdalene | no i mean what machine |
| 06:25.47 | chugga | it is a laptop.. dell i8k |
| 06:25.57 | magdalene | *grin* |
| 06:26.02 | emss | Dewi because he was charged with murdering his wife? |
| 06:26.03 | emss | sorry |
| 06:26.04 | magdalene | how much ram |
| 06:26.09 | krenin | Hello; I just compiled kernel 2.6.19 and when I boot to it my mouse won't work... Any one know how to fix? (I used the same config file as the 2.6.17 kernel that came with the install.) |
| 06:26.11 | emss | magdalene wrong person xD |
| 06:26.13 | chugga | 156mb |
| 06:26.15 | magdalene | sokay |
| 06:26.18 | chugga | 256mb even |
| 06:26.20 | magdalene | better than me |
| 06:26.29 | magdalene | i like dead tech |
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| 06:26.55 | chugga | i like it just fine. woops. my Xserver seems not to be working anymore post-reboot |
| 06:26.56 | magdalene | i am working deb on a toshiba sattellight p133 |
| 06:27.33 | chugga | i think it is to do with nvidia drivers |
| 06:28.05 | magdalene | yeah, i have had problems with nvidia and debian |
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| 06:28.22 | chugga | which package should i install? |
| 06:28.23 | emss | chugga so install the nvidia drivers :) |
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| 06:28.31 | magdalene | not recognising it properly, you may have to go in an manually tell it what it is |
| 06:28.32 | emss | nvidia-glx ? |
| 06:28.45 | rafiks | magdalene :yes,the ones from nvidia works for me |
| 06:28.58 | sid | chugga: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:29.17 | sid | chugga: Choose "nv" as the driver. |
| 06:29.29 | sid | chugga: And the rest just leave defaults if you don't know.(that includes hitting enter when it's blank) |
| 06:29.34 | rafiks | debian nvidia seems to me,doesnt work properly with self compiled kernels |
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| 06:30.14 | magdalene | depends on the card, especially with laptops |
| 06:30.29 | sid | chugga: Once that is done, as root type "/etc/init.d/gdm restart;" |
| 06:30.40 | sid | Or if you're a kde user, change gdm to kdm |
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| 06:30.47 | magdalene | or rather the chip |
| 06:31.24 | chugga | sid, iam neither? |
| 06:31.41 | magdalene | you may have to fiddle a bit with the sound as well |
| 06:31.47 | chugga | startx works though |
| 06:31.57 | chugga | thats how i usually start X |
| 06:32.22 | rafiks | chugga : yes,its better that way |
| 06:32.45 | sid | chugga: So X is up now? |
| 06:32.47 | rafiks | chugga :and its faster also |
| 06:32.58 | chugga | yes. |
| 06:33.04 | chugga | :) |
| 06:33.07 | Dewi | emss: hehehe. oh, you were talking to me. |
| 06:33.23 | magdalene | so drivers arent the prob then |
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| 06:35.04 | sid | chugga: apt-get install acx100-source wireless-tools |
| 06:35.54 | chugga | sid, it is suggesting to install acx100-firmaware |
| 06:36.01 | chugga | btw, i thought mine was acx111? |
| 06:36.19 | sid | chugga: yes, that page does acx100 and acx111 |
| 06:36.26 | sid | chugga: The chipset is very similar. apparently. |
| 06:36.32 | chugga | i see |
| 06:36.42 | chugga | should i also install the firmware? |
| 06:36.47 | sid | yes |
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| 06:37.21 | chugga | apt says package not available |
| 06:37.45 | sid | chugga: Show me your /etc/apt/sources.list on www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 06:39.46 | sid | chugga2: Show me your /etc/apt/sources.list on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 06:39.49 | chugga2 | sid, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4769 |
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| 06:40.25 | sid | chugga2: Append "non-free contrib" to the second line in your sources.list |
| 06:40.52 | sid | chugga2: So it looks like "deb-src http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ testing main contrib non-free"(order doesn't matter) |
| 06:42.12 | chugga2 | okay, done |
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| 06:42.19 | sid | chugga2: apt-get update; apt-get install acx100-source wireless-tools; apt-get clean; module-assistant; echo acx_pci >>/etc/modules; modprobe acx_pci; |
| 06:43.11 | chugga2 | it is asking for some input |
| 06:43.23 | chugga2 | module-assistant |
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| 06:43.33 | sid | chugga2: right, select the module(acx) and hit enter or something |
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| 06:44.11 | chugga2 | next, do i do INSTALL or BUILD |
| 06:44.13 | sid | chugga2: (It's going to compile the module(driver) for the wireless chipset against your current running kernel. Then the "modprobe" command will load that compiled module into the kernel so you can use the wireless |
| 06:44.37 | sid | chugga2: umm, I've never used module-assistant. But I'm going to say build first, then install. |
| 06:44.45 | chugga2 | sure. doing it now |
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| 06:45.44 | chugga2 | i finished installing it, and then went to EXIT |
| 06:45.53 | chugga2 | but now it says FATAL: module acx_pci not found |
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| 06:46.02 | sid | hmm |
| 06:46.09 | chugga2 | i think that was the last bit of the command you told me to enter |
| 06:46.12 | sid | chugga2: ok do # module-assistant; and at the menu do "install" |
| 06:47.38 | chugga2 | it said it is installed |
| 06:47.52 | sid | chugga2: modprobe acx_pci; |
| 06:48.05 | chugga2 | FATAL: Module acx_pci not found. |
| 06:48.18 | sid | hmm, module-assistant lies to us |
| 06:48.26 | chugga2 | it doesnt keep state |
| 06:48.32 | chugga2 | it says it is installed, but doesnt remember it once it exits |
| 06:49.03 | sid | chugga2: Is your wireless nic usb? |
| 06:49.06 | chugga2 | nope |
| 06:49.10 | sid | maybe modprobe modprobe acx_usb |
| 06:49.11 | sid | hmm |
| 06:49.13 | chugga2 | sid, i dont think it really installs it |
| 06:49.36 | chugga2 | it gives some errors (i think) but they flash by too quickly before it returns to module-assistant |
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| 06:52.26 | sid | chugga2: find /var/log|grep -i module |
| 06:52.37 | chugga2 | nothing there |
| 06:52.39 | sid | See if module-assistant keeps a log in /var/log somewhere. |
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| 06:53.16 | chugga2 | nothing obvious in /var/log |
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| 06:54.58 | sid | chugga2: try module-assistant -f install |
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| 06:55.46 | chugga2 | module-assistant -f install acx100 |
| 06:55.51 | chugga2 | installs it without error |
| 06:55.58 | chugga2 | is f for fresh, or force? |
| 06:56.17 | sid | force |
| 06:56.22 | chugga2 | ok |
| 06:56.39 | sid | chugga2: See if modprobe acx_pci; works |
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| 06:57.00 | chugga2 | same fatal error |
| 06:57.35 | chugga2 | should i download the firmware? |
| 06:58.02 | sid | You already did probably. |
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| 06:58.16 | chugga2 | i see |
| 06:58.25 | sid | Didn't apt-get ask you about the firmware? |
| 06:58.37 | chugga2 | it recommended the package |
| 06:58.44 | chugga2 | but when i tried installing it, it said there wasnt such a package |
| 06:58.59 | sid | chugga2: ls /lib/firmware |
| 06:59.03 | sid | See if there is anything in there. |
| 06:59.12 | chugga2 | nothing |
| 07:01.45 | sid | chugga2: ok, we'll manually get firmwares. Who makes your card chugga2? Is it a minipci or pcmcia? |
| 07:01.54 | chugga2 | pcmcia, dlink does |
| 07:02.02 | sid | dlink_dwl120+? |
| 07:02.03 | chugga2 | it is a DWL-G650+ |
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| 07:04.00 | sid | chugga2: cd /lib/firmware; wget http://195.66.192.167/linux/acx_patches/fw/acx111_1.2.1.34/tiacx111r17 http://195.66.192.167/linux/acx_patches/fw/acx111_1.2.1.34/tiacx111 http://195.66.192.167/linux/acx_patches/fw/acx111_1.2.1.34/tiacx111c17 http://195.66.192.167/linux/acx_patches/fw/acx111_1.2.1.34/tiacx111r16 http://195.66.192.167/linux/acx_patches/fw/acx111_1.2.1.34/tiacx111c16 |
| 07:06.01 | chugga2 | cool sid, its finished |
| 07:06.06 | chugga2 | no problems with the downloading |
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| 07:07.06 | chugga2 | sid, i think modprobe is the problem |
| 07:07.11 | sid | I guess try modprobe again? I'm just stabbing in the dark now. |
| 07:07.14 | chugga2 | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX111 |
| 07:07.22 | chugga2 | right down the page |
| 07:07.27 | chugga2 | it says to insmod that .ko file |
| 07:07.32 | chugga2 | well i have that in my /lib/modules/... |
| 07:08.02 | chugga2 | 8-3-686/acx100# insmod ./acx.ko |
| 07:08.04 | chugga2 | it loaded ok |
| 07:08.21 | chugga2 | iwconfig shows my wifi card :) |
| 07:08.41 | sid | chugga2: iwlist scanning; see if it shows any ssids |
| 07:09.00 | chugga2 | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 07:09.04 | chugga2 | i think thats to be expected. |
| 07:09.12 | chugga2 | my card doesnt have fancy features because of the proprietary driver |
| 07:09.48 | sid | eh, it should be able to scan. I don't think the driver is working properly or loaded. |
| 07:09.52 | sid | chugga2: lsmod|grep -i acx |
| 07:11.20 | chugga2 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hSr4Cy83.html |
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| 07:11.33 | chugga2 | sid, its loaded, i am sure of it |
| 07:12.00 | sid | chugga2: Try modprobe acx_pci |
| 07:12.12 | chugga2 | FATAL: Module acx_pci not found. |
| 07:12.23 | chugga2 | sid, let me show you something |
| 07:12.46 | chugga2 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2WKyYc46.html |
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| 07:15.18 | quitte | good morning. could someone that has actually seen pci hotplug work in linux tell me about it? i have no idea what i have to do to make it work. i cant find any docs either |
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| 07:17.05 | chugga2 | sid, nope, ive read about this - scanning only works for supported cards (like the orinoco) |
| 07:17.22 | rafiks | goto /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
| 07:17.34 | rafiks | quitte |
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| 07:18.24 | sid | chugga2: You're talking about promicous mode and such. |
| 07:18.31 | chugga2 | sid, ah, yes |
| 07:19.06 | sid | chugga2: updatedb; locate acx;(put on paste site) |
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| 07:21.00 | quitte | rafiks: ok.can you be more specific? i found a file about pci power management. but didnt see hotplug in it so far |
| 07:21.34 | sid | chugga2: depmod -ae |
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| 07:22.14 | chugga2 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hZmLth46.html |
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| 07:22.46 | chugga2 | depmod -ae gives no output |
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| 07:23.49 | gouki | Hi, I was wondering if anyone knows a more concrete date of when (if) Debian will be released this month? |
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| 07:24.44 | sid | chugga2: dpkg -i /usr/src/acx100-2.6.18-3-686_20060521-3+2.6.18-7_i386.de |
| 07:25.10 | krenin | hi |
| 07:25.11 | sid | !tell gouki about wer |
| 07:25.11 | cast | hey guys, anyone know of a backup solution like/similar to {rsync/rdiff-backup} but can handle moving/renaming files in a sane [space wise] way? as it is can mv 1gig.tar to files/1gig.tar and rdiff-backup won't cotton on to that its the same file, just moved |
| 07:25.21 | sid | !tell gouki about wir |
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| 07:26.43 | chugga2 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/g7Bdjl76.html |
| 07:26.46 | chugga2 | sid, there you go |
| 07:26.54 | gouki | Ohh, yeah. That's much more precise... Don't release dates apply to Debian? |
| 07:27.10 | sid | chugga2: modprobe acx_pci? |
| 07:27.17 | arcticfoxslash | is debian using lilo or grub or is there an option? |
| 07:27.23 | chugga2 | sid, nope :-/ |
| 07:27.33 | chugga2 | sid! i got it. modprobe acx works |
| 07:28.00 | sid | chugga2: Does iwlist scanning show ssid(s)? |
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| 07:28.11 | chugga2 | sid, nope |
| 07:28.18 | sid | I don't think the acx module is enough, you need acx_pci also. |
| 07:28.25 | chugga2 | okay |
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| 07:28.43 | chugga2 | sid, thing is, i dont htink i have that module |
| 07:29.07 | krenin | Anyone know when etch is going to go stable? |
| 07:29.24 | sid | chugga2: no, it wasn't built by module-assistant for some reason. |
| 07:29.24 | Cyis | anyone got any idea if the new d-i will support anything like FC's Anaconda "method=" option? |
| 07:29.28 | sid | !tell krenin about wir |
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| 07:29.42 | sid | liable: You know where m-a keeps logs? |
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| 07:30.01 | krenin | An, when it's ready. That tells me a whole lot :). |
| 07:30.50 | gouki | krenin: Yeah... Release dates don't apply to Debian |
| 07:31.13 | sid | !siyh |
| 07:31.13 | dpkg | somebody said siyh was Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 07:31.37 | krenin | :D |
| 07:31.40 | gouki | sid: I help, on what I can... |
| 07:33.08 | g333k | Hi, something is wrong.... i updated some pkgs, now when I insert a cd it doesnt auto mount it, why? |
| 07:33.42 | ndowens | check /etc/fstab i do believe |
| 07:34.15 | ndowens | !tell fstab |
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| 07:35.20 | krenin | I just got Debian GNU/Linux etch installed on my bedroom P.C. which is a K6-2 450 mHz. It's running O.K. but there is no support for the built-in graphics card's 3D mode. |
| 07:35.27 | ndowens | !tell g333k fstab |
| 07:35.46 | cast | krenin: the card being? |
| 07:35.46 | g333k | ndowens, my /etc/fstab is ok |
| 07:35.50 | sid | chugga2: I tried to compile the module on my system, the same version you have..and I get lots of build errors. It doesn't appear it works with the latest gcc or the latest kernel. not the module source code you have |
| 07:36.17 | ndowens | g333k: did u see the auto in the device options? |
| 07:36.24 | krenin | cast, It's a SIS something-or-other. I am thinking of buying a NVIDIA Geforce 2 AGP card for this P.C. |
| 07:36.40 | krenin | Anyone know where to get half-height backplates for video cards? |
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| 07:36.51 | krenin | This P.C. case is a Micro-ATX. |
| 07:37.02 | cast | krenin: well, i don't think you're missing out on much @ the SIS card |
| 07:37.02 | chugga2 | sid how did you build it? i want to try myself |
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| 07:37.42 | sid | chugga2: module-assistant, then I just hit "view log" and saw a bunch of .c errors for the code |
| 07:37.48 | chugga2 | ah |
| 07:38.17 | sid | chugga2: The module source you tired to build was from 2005, you can try and get http://www.cmartin.tk/acx/acx-20060521.tar.bz2 from 6 months ago, and that is the newest source code.(the project has been unmaintained in the last 6 months) |
| 07:38.20 | g333k | ndowens, nop... it was supposed to be in auto... I changed it.. now how do I apply the changes? |
| 07:38.43 | chugga2 | sid, i have that source. but i cant make it |
| 07:38.49 | chugga2 | make: *** No targets. Stop. |
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| 07:39.11 | cast | krenin: ask around, someone ought to give you a card. if you were close i could give you a gf4 mx440 |
| 07:39.16 | ndowens | geo-rge: save the file |
| 07:39.19 | ndowens | wooks |
| 07:39.21 | ndowens | wopps* |
| 07:39.27 | sid | chugga2: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18; |
| 07:39.35 | sid | chugga2: You need the kernel source first. |
| 07:39.36 | ndowens | g333k: save the file |
| 07:40.10 | chugga2 | sid, ok, doing it now |
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| 07:41.47 | krenin | cast, I found a Geforce 2 on a computer store site for $10. |
| 07:42.15 | pstickne | craigslist :) |
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| 07:43.03 | krenin | I've got two Linksys wireless Access Points to connect my upstairs P.C. with my downstairs P.C.s. |
| 07:43.09 | krenin | It's working out really nicely. |
| 07:43.31 | cast | krenin: so did you offer then 5USD? :) |
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| 07:43.44 | krenin | Hmm? Nah... |
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| 07:44.40 | g333k | ndowens, is it ok if I use this line? "/dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,auto 0 0" because automount is still not working |
| 07:45.09 | Renfield | Hello. How do I determine what type of modem I have in my laptop? |
| 07:45.38 | pstickne | lspci might help |
| 07:45.41 | chugga2 | lspci |
| 07:45.49 | chugga2 | it showed mine |
| 07:45.51 | sid | chugga2: fyi, Texas Instruments is the one to blame for this hands down. You should go here http://www-k.ext.ti.com/sc/technical_support/email_tech_support.asp and tell them you are disappointed they don't support GNU/Linux better and you'll avoid their products in the future, in favor of products that do support linux.(and you'll tell your friends to do the same) |
| 07:45.54 | ndowens | g333k: what did u do to it b4 it quit doin it |
| 07:45.55 | Renfield | Nothing that lspci outputs mentions the modem. |
| 07:46.12 | pstickne | but the more entertaining method is to take a gander at the mini card. |
| 07:46.35 | chugga2 | sid, i wouldnt normally do that, but i will this time |
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| 07:46.49 | g333k | ndowens, excuse me? |
| 07:46.55 | Renfield | Could it be hidden as something else? What is SMbus? |
| 07:47.04 | pstickne | Renfield, if it's a PCI device it will have one entry in there... |
| 07:47.10 | rafiks | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:47.17 | ndowens | g333k: what did u do that made it quit working(auto mount) |
| 07:47.23 | Renfield | pstickne: This is an IBM t60 laptop. |
| 07:47.41 | magdalene | renfield: |
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| 07:47.54 | Renfield | I have four PCI bridge entries. |
| 07:47.55 | magdalene | you can go to ibm's site and check what it came with |
| 07:47.57 | g333k | ndowens,I updated some pkgs and then I opened my cpu to cleaning and move onw card to another slot |
| 07:48.10 | magdalene | download the user manual |
| 07:48.30 | quitte | heh. calling the box cpu is so oldschool |
| 07:49.29 | g333k | can somebody helping me out to get automounting cdroms work again? |
| 07:49.47 | magdalene | most laptops are specific to what modems they came with |
| 07:50.05 | quitte | g333k: does /dev/cdrom point to the right device? |
| 07:50.45 | tarzeau | abchirk_: it WORKS! |
| 07:50.49 | tarzeau | abrotman!! |
| 07:51.15 | chugga2 | renfield, paste it on rafb |
| 07:51.17 | magdalene | if its listed on their site (and it might be in their no longer supported files) it will have a downloadable pdf |
| 07:51.25 | chugga2 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ |
| 07:51.30 | g333k | quitte, how do I know that? |
| 07:51.32 | pstickne | "Get the Conexant HSF SoftModem software from Lenovo" <-- for T60, from one install site |
| 07:51.59 | magdalene | there you go |
| 07:52.03 | pstickne | Renfield, for fun, paste the entries to a pastebot or something |
| 07:52.22 | Renfield | paste what, the output of lspci? |
| 07:52.30 | chugga2 | yes |
| 07:52.38 | quitte | g333k: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
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| 07:53.25 | g333k | quitte, yep it is pointing to hdd |
| 07:53.27 | pstickne | Renfield, yeah, I'm sure that contains all the end information...somewhere. I like pastie.caboo.se |
| 07:53.43 | quitte | g333k: are you using gnome? |
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| 07:53.57 | g333k | quitte, yep |
| 07:54.25 | quitte | g333k: is the user in the cdrom group? is gnome-volume-manager running? |
| 07:55.46 | g333k | quitte, well theres something wrong... cdrom is pointing to hdd and cdrom1 to hdc. hdc is a dvd-rw and hdd a cd-rw, where are supposed to point they? |
| 07:56.37 | g333k | quitte, yep and yep |
| 07:57.15 | quitte | g333k: that shouldnt be the problem |
| 07:57.55 | Renfield | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4770 |
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| 07:58.12 | g333k | quitte, ok now cdrom -> hdd, cdrom1 -> hdc and dvd -> hdc |
| 07:58.25 | chugga2 | sid, i filled in the form. they needed a lot of personal information though |
| 07:58.35 | quitte | g333k: click: desktop->preferences->removable drives and media |
| 07:59.18 | sid | chugga2: Just put fake crap |
| 07:59.25 | chugga2 | sid, true. oh well |
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| 07:59.44 | chugga2 | sid, apt-get linux-source is finished. should i find a copy of the tarball now? |
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| 08:00.07 | sid | chugga2: cd /usr/src; tar xvjf linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2; |
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| 08:02.24 | chugga2 | its finished |
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| 08:04.44 | sid | chugga2: cd linux-source-2.6.18; cp /boot/config-2.6.18* ./.config; |
| 08:05.42 | chugga2 | ok |
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| 08:06.47 | djsc | DCC SEND iSpamTheShitOutOfEveryoneToMakeTheirLivesMizerableAndCan'tSpell |
| 08:06.52 | sid | chugga2: cd drivers/net/wireless/; mkdir acx; cd acx; wget http://www.cmartin.tk/acx/acx-20060521.tar.bz2; tar xvjf acx-20060521.tar.bz2; rm acx-20060521.tar.bz2; cd ..; echo 'obj-m += acx/' >> Makefile; |
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| 08:07.55 | krenin | Can anyone point me to directions on how to run X programs from a different P.C.? |
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| 08:08.23 | chugga2 | sid, okay done |
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| 08:08.34 | sid | krenin: If both machines have X, just do ssh -X forwarding |
| 08:09.20 | sid | chugga2: cat /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18/drivers/net/wireless/Makefile|tail -1; and confirm it says "obj-m += acx/" |
| 08:09.38 | chugga2 | yes, it does |
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| 08:10.22 | sid | chugga2: apt-get install build-essential kernel-package; cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18; make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image; |
| 08:10.30 | krenin | sid, O.K., thanks. |
| 08:10.42 | sid | krenin: If it's a windows to a GNU/Linux machine, you could use vnc. |
| 08:11.28 | krenin | Both are Debian GNU/Linux etch. |
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| 08:11.49 | sid | chugga2: That will take awhile(hours) depending on your processor speed/ram etc. But once that is done..reboot into the kernel you just built(if it builds without errors), and then the acx_pci module should load and wireless should work. |
| 08:11.55 | sid | krenin: yes, then just ssh -X |
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| 08:12.48 | chugga2 | sid, okay. will i need to do anything special to load the new kernel or will apt take care of that? |
| 08:13.14 | sid | krenin: ssh -X 192.168.1.101 -l username xmessage "test" |
| 08:13.44 | sid | chugga2: umm...There might be a deb in /usr/src that you have to dpkg -i file.deb; |
| 08:14.03 | chugga2 | sid, cool. cheers! |
| 08:15.38 | sid | chugga2: So that code we tried(that was on debian.org contrib section) didn't work very well, seemed to be crufty and stall didn't compile with the latest gcc, lots of errors. So hopefully this newer code(about a year newer then what we tried) and 6 months old from today...hopefully this code will compile nicely with the latest gcc and the 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 08:16.07 | krenin | sid, Thanks! It works! |
| 08:16.10 | krenin | :D |
| 08:16.23 | sid | I'm inclined to think it will. but we can't be sure until it's done compiling and you've rebooted into your freshly built kernel and do "iwlist scanning" find an ssid you like, then iwconfig wlan0 essid "linksys"; dhclient wlan0; |
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| 08:17.42 | sid | (If the build compiles acx properly, after you reboot "lsmod|grep -i acx" will list acx_pci somewhere. |
| 08:19.08 | chugga2 | sid, this is strange. the last time i built a kernel - it woudl print lots of output, just like when compiling any other C app. but this time it looks different |
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| 08:19.43 | pstickne | chugga2, they tidied it up at some point |
| 08:19.55 | sid | chugga2: It will dump lots of output, give it time. It's probably just checking file lists and things like that, soon you'll see gcc spam. |
| 08:20.20 | chugga2 | ah. okay |
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| 08:20.30 | chugga2 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yXFgAp51.html |
| 08:20.32 | chugga2 | this is what it looks like |
| 08:21.03 | asdx | hi, does debian handle 32/64 bit mixed stuff? |
| 08:21.25 | pstickne | chugga2, it changed recently |
| 08:21.29 | pstickne | chugga2, that's all you'll get |
| 08:21.48 | pstickne | chugga2, I'm sure it's being logged somewhere but I didn't care to investigate |
| 08:22.16 | pstickne | (recently == sometime after the first 2.6 kernel release ;) |
| 08:22.49 | chugga2 | interesting |
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| 08:22.52 | chugga2 | it is certainly different |
| 08:22.59 | Yunhual | hi, when i use sfdisk -s, i can see how many blocks of my hard disk, but how many bytes of one blocks ?? |
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| 08:24.09 | g333k | HI, why I just got the gnome automount message when I just insert a cd-r in blank in my secondary cd-rw and not when I insert int he primary? |
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| 08:26.46 | pstickne | does it have anything to do with what /dev/cdrom points to? |
| 08:26.52 | pstickne | or /media/cdrom ? |
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| 08:28.54 | Yunhual | >hi, when i use sfdisk -s, i can see how many blocks of my hard disk, but how many bytes of one blocks ?? |
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| 08:34.51 | arcticfoxslash | I should have used wget instaid of firefox to download |
| 08:35.51 | Guerin | arcticfoxslash: always returns true |
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| 08:36.42 | arcticfoxslash | was 50% dled and now I have to restart my DL of the ISO |
| 08:36.48 | tarzeau | is there anyone from china here? |
| 08:37.17 | sid | !tell tarzeau about cn |
| 08:37.34 | quitte | haha |
| 08:37.35 | tarzeau | sid: that's not what i asked for |
| 08:37.43 | tarzeau | i need someone living in .cn |
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| 08:38.29 | sid | tarzeau: /who #debian; /lastlog .cn; |
| 08:38.48 | tarzeau | sid: thank you. nobody :( |
| 08:39.02 | tarzeau | sid: but maybe the reverselookup is broke, let me check the ips, i've got two |
| 08:39.28 | tarzeau | nothing with 59.44.n.n either :( |
| 08:40.06 | quitte | tarzeau: what time is it in cn now? |
| 08:40.29 | tarzeau | quitte: no idea, probably all asleep |
| 08:40.46 | tarzeau | quitte: but then .cn people are rare on irc. or i don't know what irc servers they use |
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| 08:41.59 | cast | seem to be rare in all of FLOSS from what i can see |
| 08:42.22 | cast | only thing i remember being those attacks against md5/sha1 hash families |
| 08:42.23 | Guerin | just in english |
| 08:42.38 | Guerin | there's plenty of free software in china, and the government is sponsoring several distros |
| 08:42.39 | sid | yea, the .cn people do seem rare on irc |
| 08:42.52 | cast | ahh. of course. and that chinese distro! |
| 08:42.52 | Guerin | red flag linux is the main one, but there's another based on obsd, I think |
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| 08:43.14 | sid | http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2170549/open-source-grows-asia |
| 08:43.16 | Guerin | if you consider how rare non-chinese people must be on chinese-language irc, you might understand why that is |
| 08:43.22 | sid | They definitely have a big community from what I can see. |
| 08:43.24 | sid | It's just hidden |
| 08:43.42 | cast | does the great firewall filter only http? |
| 08:43.55 | dorel__ | how much bandwidth would you estimate is spent on web surfing per month for a 512kbit data connection? |
| 08:43.57 | cast | or does it block hosts completely |
| 08:44.00 | quitte | is it big enough to be seen from spaceß |
| 08:44.02 | quitte | ? |
| 08:44.26 | cast | dorel__: are you a pirate or not a pirate? on 1.5Mbit 7gb is about average for me, |
| 08:47.27 | cast | i should word that better, does the scope of their filtering include only http servers, or does it include things like irc servers...etc.. |
| 08:47.49 | dorel__ | cast: just wondering how to plan the squid proxy |
| 08:48.26 | Jack_H_ | dorel__: i've such a connection and my mileage is about 3Gb a day |
| 08:49.09 | wols_ | cast: it does at least include ftp |
| 08:49.16 | wols_ | afaik it's ipbased to a degree at least |
| 08:49.22 | wols_ | oh, ssh too |
| 08:49.40 | SubStack | as I recall it just sends resets to the connections |
| 08:49.51 | SubStack | which servers can be configured to ignore |
| 08:50.00 | cast | there's a big userbase potential for things like [a finished] gnunet i feel :> |
| 08:50.03 | wols_ | some guy I know recently was in china, he couldn't access ftp or ssh of a friends server in sweden (with nothing regime threatening on btw) |
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| 08:50.23 | dorel__ | Jack_H_: cast: we're talking about http traffic, no way you're doing 3gb a day :) |
| 08:50.23 | Guerin | wols_: it's unilateral, yeah. |
| 08:50.40 | Guerin | wols_: i had to proxy through texas when I was there - and also in korea |
| 08:51.05 | wols_ | korea is filtering? |
| 08:51.35 | Guerin | wols_: yes. |
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| 08:51.46 | Guerin | wols_: most particularly any content about North Korea. |
| 08:51.56 | cast | dorel__: don't forget all the things that go over http, like apt and those 2 deb dvd iso's i downloaded |
| 08:52.12 | cast | dorel__: sitting watching video.google.com chews bandwidth too |
| 08:52.30 | wols_ | wow. what a "democracy" |
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| 08:52.53 | quitte | wols_: i guess he meant north korea, not south |
| 08:52.58 | Guerin | quitte: nope. |
| 08:53.17 | quitte | huh. south korea is like that,too? |
| 08:53.18 | wols_ | north korea has no inet at all. unless your name is kim jong il |
| 08:53.23 | Guerin | wols_: it's overall not too bad, but there's still an active war on with the Norkies |
| 08:53.25 | dorel__ | Jack_H_: cast: im just wondering about the typical users... |
| 08:53.34 | Guerin | and constant rumours of insurgency in SK |
| 08:53.59 | cast | dorel__: ahh. 'typical' is elusive. |
| 08:54.07 | wols_ | now which sane southerner wants to create an insurgency for NK? |
| 08:54.09 | chugga2 | wow. this kernel takes an awful long time to compile |
| 08:54.12 | wols_ | just doesn't make sense |
| 08:54.14 | Jack_H_ | dorel__: well i'm no pirate if this is what you mean :-) |
| 08:54.17 | chugga2 | i wonder why. back in the 2.4 days it would take 5 minutes max |
| 08:54.44 | Guerin | chugga2: only if you were on an 8-way sgi box |
| 08:54.48 | wols_ | Guerin: really sounds like governmental fear mongering (see "terrorism") |
| 08:54.50 | chugga2 | same hardware |
| 08:54.55 | Guerin | chugga2: or building a kernel with nothing in it |
| 08:55.01 | pstickne | chugga2, you can really speed it up but not compliming uneeded drivers |
| 08:55.12 | Guerin | wols_: yeah, there is some of that. But really, South Korea is pretty liberal. |
| 08:55.13 | wols_ | Guerin: oast is always golden |
| 08:55.14 | pstickne | chugga2, by default it builds pretty much EVERyThing |
| 08:55.23 | wols_ | *past |
| 08:55.34 | chugga2 | guerrin, yes, those were small kernels. but from what i remember, the default build compiles every single file anyway. doesn tit? |
| 08:56.00 | Guerin | wols_: there are lots of SKers who want to be like NK, mostly because they think the plight of NK is all lies |
| 08:56.02 | wols_ | pstickne: correction: my vanilla kernels always want to compile intel hardware shit while I don't use intel and have to enable those other things while disabling intel hw |
| 08:56.14 | Guerin | wols_: it's mostly an issue of nationalism. It's complicated ;) |
| 08:56.27 | wols_ | humans are stupid. damn damn stupid |
| 08:56.39 | Guerin | wols_: yyou're not wrong. |
| 08:56.40 | pstickne | wols_, you're right, it was an embelishment on my part :P |
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| 08:57.35 | Yunhual | the manpage of useradd |
| 08:57.37 | Yunhual | -m, --create-home |
| 08:57.38 | Yunhual | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.40 | Yunhual | what does SKEL_DIR stand for there ??? |
| 08:58.06 | quitte | the directory that contains the files copied to a new users $HOME |
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| 08:58.50 | cast | Yunhual: you can specify SKEL_DIR with -k |
| 08:58.51 | Guerin | Yunhual: default /etc/skel/ |
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| 08:59.29 | quitte | Yunhual: is there a reason you are not using adduser? |
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| 09:00.06 | Yunhual | no, i am used adduser command |
| 09:00.35 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:00.35 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 09:01.28 | ndowens | gah i wish i could block all spam in gmail |
| 09:01.33 | quitte | tarzeau: do you know of anybody that began using popcon because of your reminders? |
| 09:01.57 | tarzeau | quitte: yes, many |
| 09:02.30 | pstickne | everytime I see popcon I think popcorn |
| 09:03.07 | Yunhual | thank you, if i didn't type -k option, will useradd command copy the SKEL_DIR to the new user's home directory ?? |
| 09:03.08 | chugga2 | pstickne, ok. thats probably why its taking so very long |
| 09:04.39 | Jack_H_ | Yunhual: it'll copy its contents |
| 09:04.39 | Yunhual | sorry, i get it. |
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| 09:09.58 | man_in_ltop | anyone here good with udev rules? |
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| 09:12.42 | Yunhual | when make binutils |
| 09:12.44 | Yunhual | make -C ld clean |
| 09:12.45 | Yunhual | -C means changes directory. but ld clean there stand for what ? thank you !! |
| 09:13.24 | man_in_ltop | umm |
| 09:13.32 | tralala | Yunhual: it's the rule to be executed |
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| 09:16.00 | Gumby | this is offtopic so if it bothers anyone just tell me to shut up. does anyone here know of any blog software that also allows a user to post photos without having to enter a URL to the photo |
| 09:16.35 | Yunhual | tralala, do you means that, ld and clean there are fake target in the Makefile ? |
| 09:16.44 | man_in_ltop | Gumby, you mean upload photos? |
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| 09:17.37 | tralala | Yunhual: ld is the dir to change to, clean is the target |
| 09:17.54 | cast | Gumby: lots. opensourcecms.com |
| 09:18.32 | Gumby | man_in_ltop: yes, exactly what I mean. Not like a gallery type thing, just a photo here and there |
| 09:18.44 | Gumby | cast: thx |
| 09:19.28 | quitte | how do i prevent modules from being automatically loaded? |
| 09:19.42 | xingu | !tell quitte about blacklist |
| 09:19.43 | Gumby | quitte: add them to the modules blacklist |
| 09:20.30 | quitte | thanks |
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| 09:21.00 | man_in_ltop | actually, should be void since it doesn't return 8) |
| 09:21.04 | man_in_ltop | one liner though |
| 09:21.25 | tralala | brilliant! Is it GPL'd? |
| 09:21.30 | man_in_ltop | or could be: return c++; |
| 09:21.31 | man_in_ltop | :) |
| 09:21.59 | xingu | man_in_ltop: while main(c++, v); |
| 09:22.25 | wols_ | tralala: can't be. copyright needs creativity. at least in some countries :P |
| 09:22.33 | man_in_ltop | :| |
| 09:22.37 | tralala | wols_: bwahahaha |
| 09:22.49 | xingu | it's a paulabean |
| 09:23.01 | man_in_ltop | xingu, looks suspiciously infinite |
| 09:23.29 | tralala | man_in_ltop: nah, you just need a faster CPU |
| 09:23.29 | man_in_ltop | does debian have a udev ruleset for tifm_7xx1 module? |
| 09:23.51 | xingu | man_in_ltop: like the longines symphonette |
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| 09:24.29 | netman1 | Hi All. How can I enforce udev on reboot to reinitialize it's network interface persistent interface names? (etch of course) |
| 09:24.29 | mick_linux | hi everyone, is it a bad idea to restart during an fsck? |
| 09:24.52 | mick_linux | hi man_in_ltop |
| 09:24.56 | ndowens | mick_linux: i would imagine |
| 09:24.58 | buu | mick_linux: It's hardly a *good* idea.. |
| 09:25.05 | mick_linux | ok ok i'll wait |
| 09:25.10 | man_in_ltop | mick_linux, depends if fsck is set to autofix stuff |
| 09:25.13 | xingu | netman1: etc/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 09:25.17 | cast | if its ro, then the fsck wont be the problem |
| 09:25.26 | mick_linux | reason is because i see that my bios's time is magically at 1990 |
| 09:25.42 | man_in_ltop | i accidentally destroyed a linux system once by using badblocks instead of fsck's badblocks frontend :) |
| 09:25.47 | netman1 | xingu: found that one too, but would removing it, reinit it on reboot? |
| 09:25.49 | tralala | mick_linux: your cmos battery is dead |
| 09:26.06 | mick_linux | i took out my memory and the date changed |
| 09:26.08 | xingu | netman1: don't purge it, just frag the oneline nameif bits. |
| 09:26.15 | mick_linux | tralala: sure? |
| 09:26.32 | xingu | netman1: ... should be couples of # ... pci vid:did and SUBSYSTEM=... NAME= |
| 09:26.32 | netman1 | xingu: (sorry,no native english) frag? |
| 09:26.37 | mick_linux | that could be, i'll replace it |
| 09:26.38 | tralala | mick_linux: if it can't keep the time, certainly |
| 09:26.50 | xingu | netman1: delete those lines should be enough if the shellscript still works the way it did |
| 09:26.59 | ndowens | mick_linux: get ntp to update time to the correct time |
| 09:27.03 | mick_linux | tralala: i just mean, since i hadn't had a problem before - it might have been the memory swap? |
| 09:27.21 | xingu | mick_linux: 1990? time for guru |
| 09:27.25 | mick_linux | ndowens: i use ntp |
| 09:27.59 | ndowens | mick_linux: did it do any good |
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| 09:27.59 | mick_linux | ndowens: still fscking |
| 09:28.00 | ndowens | o ok |
| 09:28.04 | netman1 | xingu: bit scary to try that remote (50km) but you guess the rules will get regenerated? |
| 09:28.27 | xingu | netman1: yes, see same dir ... -generator.rules |
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| 09:28.40 | tralala | mick_linux: it shouldn't be |
| 09:28.43 | xingu | netman1: I wouldn't do it on a remote system, but I'm grumpy and cautious |
| 09:28.54 | xingu | netman1: never reconfigure a network stack in band |
| 09:28.55 | netman1 | xingu: I'll check. Thanks! |
| 09:29.09 | mick_linux | tralala: it shouldn't be... what? |
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| 09:29.33 | netman1 | xingu: Being paranoid is a good thing for programmers/sysadmins ;-) |
| 09:29.37 | tralala | mick_linux: the memory swap |
| 09:29.43 | tarzeau | does someone remember the p-a-e thing of debian? |
| 09:29.50 | man_in_ltop | mick_linux, don't suppose you're good with udev rules ...? |
| 09:29.52 | tarzeau | the file that says on what archs a package shall be built, and on which not? |
| 09:30.00 | xingu | netman1: part of my job description, I actually do get paid for the things I *don't* do. |
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| 09:31.35 | mick_linux | man_in_ltop: besides what i use in my /etc/udev/rules.d -- nope ;) |
| 09:31.36 | netman1 | xingu: Hmm, you sound like a mob money collector ;_ |
| 09:31.41 | netman1 | ;-) |
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| 09:33.03 | khaleel5000 | hi everyone i have Debian etch my problem is (which I have experienced only when i use GDM to login to kde (not when I used KDM) the problem is that when ever I login via X the following message is shown (though I still get logged in kde |
| 09:33.06 | man_in_ltop | well i need a rule for my laptop's card reader |
| 09:33.07 | khaleel5000 | http://rafb.net/paste/results/AfUkvv86.html |
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| 09:35.08 | pstickne | khaleel5000, verify the last two lines indeed hold true |
| 09:35.24 | mick_linux | man_in_ltop: doesn't hotplug do taht for you? |
| 09:35.38 | man_in_ltop | hotwhat? :P |
| 09:36.21 | man_in_ltop | do you mean debian hotplug module? |
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| 09:36.56 | man_in_ltop | hmm |
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| 09:37.01 | man_in_ltop | my server seems to be half down |
| 09:37.02 | man_in_ltop | bbs |
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| 09:37.15 | khaleel5000 | pstickne: well I cant say 644 wise , Owner is khaleel, owner can view + modify , group can viewand modify , others can view and modify |
| 09:37.30 | sid | [detached] |
| 09:37.32 | Xorm | night |
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| 09:38.01 | pstickne | khaleel5000, ownver should be able to r+w (6) |
| 09:38.34 | pstickne | err, it should be 644 (at least) == rw--r--r-- |
| 09:38.56 | pstickne | bah. one too many -'s at the start |
| 09:39.00 | jpduyx | anybody experience with remote booting a debian machine |
| 09:39.10 | mick_linux | oh shit - my box just restarted by itself after the fsck :-( |
| 09:39.12 | pstickne | khaleel5000, so, no idea :( |
| 09:39.38 | zrin | jpduyx: sure, I just grounded one |
| 09:39.48 | mick_linux | probably a y2k issue :-P |
| 09:39.56 | man_in_ltop | back |
| 09:40.15 | man_in_ltop | mick_linux, s/hotplug module/hotplug package/g |
| 09:40.39 | mick_linux | yes |
| 09:40.43 | jpduyx | zrin: how, mine will only accept the magical packet after i just took out the elektricity, but after shutting down de machine it won't wake up anymore with etherwake |
| 09:40.53 | mick_linux | man_in_ltop: the only rule that i have there is a hotplug rule |
| 09:41.04 | mick_linux | it seems to auto-magically handle that stuff |
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| 09:41.25 | man_in_ltop | well |
| 09:41.54 | zrin | jpduyx: I've installed a 64 bit kernel so it won't boot now; ... did you check BIOS settings? |
| 09:41.56 | man_in_ltop | all i know is that the kernel and udev both receive the plug/unplug info from the card reader |
| 09:42.02 | man_in_ltop | but udev isn't creating a node |
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| 09:42.19 | jpduyx | yes bios accepts etherwake |
| 09:42.40 | jpduyx | only after booting debian and cleanly shutting debian down, it seems like the feature is turned off |
| 09:43.12 | jpduyx | zrin, or can it have something to do woth the internal e100 card in compaq deskpro machines |
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| 09:44.28 | xingu | jpduyx: you need "ethtool -s ${netdev} wol g" in late rc[56].d/K script. |
| 09:44.52 | jpduyx | ahhh |
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| 09:45.20 | Cooner750 | Trying to use Etch PowerPC. Can I resize an HFS+ partition? |
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| 09:48.48 | chugga2 | sid, aw man. the build finished with an error. it is the wireless that buggered up |
| 09:48.55 | jpduyx | xingu, it says Cannot get current wake-on-lan settings: No such device |
| 09:48.55 | jpduyx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:49.40 | xingu | jpduyx: replace ${netdev} with your network device name. |
| 09:49.54 | jpduyx | i did with /dev/eth0 and it didn't work, with eth0 it works |
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| 09:50.49 | jpduyx | xingu, zrin, tnx, i'll experiment with ethtool and see if i get it working :) |
| 09:50.58 | musya | /irc irc.debian.org |
| 09:51.06 | musya | sorry wrong window |
| 09:52.07 | musya | what type of gui is there for coding in debian? like visual basic or kdevelop? |
| 09:52.29 | cast | hmm. newbie question. this WOL funkyness....so does that just mean i can send a special command to a shutdown box and it'll boot? |
| 09:53.13 | Cooner750 | anyone? |
| 09:53.18 | Jack_H_ | musya: you may be looking for anjuta? |
| 09:53.20 | xingu | cast: yes |
| 09:53.54 | liable | cast: usually yes, depends on the driver, i know with some you need to enable wol with ethtool |
| 09:53.56 | xingu | cast: NIC stays active, triggers ACPI event while system is in soft-shutdown state. |
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| 09:54.47 | xingu | one more tier of unpredictability, just what the doctor ordered |
| 09:54.49 | liable | cast: with mine, if the box is shutdown uncleanly, it wont work |
| 09:54.55 | cast | hmmm. |
| 09:55.37 | cast | i might try it, and use it, this week :) |
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| 10:00.19 | xingu | you gotta wonder what problem is actually being solved by leaving the requisite standby power rail active. |
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| 10:06.07 | chugga2 | sid, i think i have figured out how to fix the build error. testing it now. |
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| 10:16.11 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:16.11 | dpkg | hmm... qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 10:16.23 | liable | heh |
| 10:17.47 | mike_kayaker | d-u removed gaim,,mmm |
| 10:18.34 | utrrrongeeb | How can I get Enlightenment to show up in the GDM window manager list? |
| 10:18.57 | darkapostrophe | utrrrongeeb: Use KDM? :P |
| 10:18.59 | darkapostrophe | j/k |
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| 10:19.47 | Mazingaro | I got problem with iceape: Starting calendar alarm service |
| 10:19.47 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars -- probably already exists |
| 10:19.47 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars_prefs -- probably already exists |
| 10:19.47 | Mazingaro | observer added |
| 10:19.47 | Mazingaro | Segmentation fault if I start it from console |
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| 10:20.21 | liable | utrrrongeeb: theres a dir where you put a file, google, i found it somewhere once before but cant remember now (is that vague enough for you? :) |
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| 10:26.11 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: add a session to /etc/gdm/Sessions/ |
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| 10:26.45 | Victor9 | all: |
| 10:27.22 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: Thanks, I'll try that... I'd noticed that directory, but I was doubting it use. |
| 10:27.38 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: its just specific to gdm |
| 10:27.51 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: /etc/dm/Sessions/ is not |
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| 10:28.07 | abchirk | Hey i dont get any spam from the porn spamemrs? |
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| 10:28.26 | valdyn | utrrrongeeb: obviously there's at least one more place for sessions, dont know where atm |
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| 10:28.38 | liable | hrm, i coulda sworn it was in /usr/share or /lib somewhere, but i am buggered if i can find it now |
| 10:28.44 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: I'd tried putting amaterus in that directory, and nothing had happened, which is why I doubted its effectiveness. |
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| 10:31.15 | utrrrongeeb | valdyn: I looked at Ubuntu Forums, and it mentioned /usr/share/xsessions/____.desktop. I suppose that will work. Thanks! |
| 10:31.15 | Victor9 | why sun java is non-free? |
| 10:31.48 | Guerin | Victor9: because it isn't free sftware. |
| 10:32.04 | Victor9 | Guerin: it's gpl now =] |
| 10:32.10 | Guerin | Victor9: show me the code |
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| 10:32.36 | Gathond | Victor9: more correctly I think sun has said that it is eventually going to be |
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| 10:33.15 | adam0509 | Hello, I'd like to apply "chmod -x" to files in a folder an under-folder, how can I do that please ??? |
| 10:33.25 | valdyn | adam0509: -R |
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| 10:33.39 | valdyn | adam0509: but making directories -x is really what you want? |
| 10:33.54 | adam0509 | no, I want the files in the folders to be -x |
| 10:34.06 | adam0509 | (folders AND sub-folder) |
| 10:34.07 | Guerin | adam0509: chmod -x /foo/bar/* |
| 10:34.14 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:34.23 | valdyn | adam0509: find -type -f -exec .. |
| 10:34.26 | Guerin | adam0509: use find to distinguish between files and dirs |
| 10:34.29 | valdyn | adam0509: find -type f -exec .. |
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| 10:34.57 | adam0509 | errr |
| 10:35.12 | adam0509 | my files are all terminating by *.gp* |
| 10:35.21 | Guerin | so? |
| 10:35.25 | valdyn | adam0509: you mean *.gp |
| 10:35.30 | bathat | is there a way to replace all i386 packages with amd64 ones? |
| 10:35.37 | adam0509 | *.gp4 and *.gp5 |
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| 10:35.38 | bathat | i'm assuming not |
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| 10:35.53 | bathat | since that would involve removing critical packages |
| 10:36.11 | Guerin | if it's only one dir and subdir, you can do chmod -x /foo/*.gp* && chmod -x /foo/bar/*.gp* |
| 10:36.16 | adam0509 | I try to do "chmod -x *.gp*" but only the file in the main folder begain -x |
| 10:36.24 | valdyn | bathat: no, and that is not because it would remove critical packages |
| 10:36.37 | Guerin | bathat: there is: reinstall the amd64 arch |
| 10:36.42 | valdyn | adam0509: -R |
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| 10:36.57 | adam0509 | Isn't there a way to get all that in a simply command ? Cause I wan't a général solution for everyone that I can post in french forum |
| 10:37.08 | bathat | oh no, that's not really an option |
| 10:37.20 | bathat | does it offer a really significant performance boost? |
| 10:37.33 | valdyn | bathat: not at all, only in specific use cases |
| 10:38.02 | adam0509 | valdyn, => -R ? You mean "chmod -R -x *.gp*" ? I try this but don't work... |
| 10:38.11 | bathat | would i be able to modify my sources.list file to begin installing amd64 packages from this point forward or is that also not possible? |
| 10:38.36 | Guerin | bathat: not possible. |
| 10:38.43 | bathat | alright |
| 10:38.45 | bathat | oh well then |
| 10:38.50 | cast | i was under the slight impression moving to 64bit more often lead to performance decreases |
| 10:38.55 | Guerin | bathat: you can use debootstrap to install an amd64 systemm, then modify it to boot |
| 10:38.56 | schme | bathat: You could install a chrooted pure amd64 bit system. |
| 10:39.00 | valdyn | adam0509: yea, i did, but maybe its recursing only into directories matching your pattern, then you need to use find |
| 10:39.15 | bathat | i don't think i'm that advanced |
| 10:39.20 | bathat | sound sorta tricky |
| 10:39.25 | Ilovemypuppy | cast, that hasnt been the case here, nice n fast |
| 10:39.28 | Guerin | schme: not much point in a chroot amd64 system, since it'll be limited by the i386 performance of the main system |
| 10:39.33 | Ilovemypuppy | esp in apps written for x64 |
| 10:39.37 | schme | bathat: Do you have a spare partition? |
| 10:39.39 | adam0509 | valdyn, okay... but i didn' understand how to use find with chmod...? |
| 10:39.47 | bathat | schme: nope |
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| 10:40.01 | schme | Guerin: True true |
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| 10:40.49 | bathat | if there's no significant advantage to installing the amd64 arch, i might as well not bother |
| 10:40.57 | schme | bathat: But really.. I have run both amd64 and i386 Debian on my amd64 box. Apart from the amd64 port randomly locking up every now and then.. there was no difference |
| 10:41.14 | bathat | ah, that's good to hear |
| 10:41.26 | bathat | and my system is already blazing fast compared to the old one anyway |
| 10:41.36 | schme | 'course I suppose there would be benefits for some type of applications.. |
| 10:41.38 | schme | :) |
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| 10:41.53 | bathat | well, i'm using swiftfox with amd opts |
| 10:41.57 | bathat | which is nice |
| 10:42.17 | Guerin | did you build it with -fomg-lolz? |
| 10:42.29 | Guerin | i hear it's funnier that way |
| 10:42.35 | tralala | for any big data processing tasks such as video/audio encoding and databases amd64 is significantly faster than i386 |
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| 10:42.45 | bathat | Guerin: me? |
| 10:42.49 | Guerin | bathat: yeah. |
| 10:42.54 | bathat | no |
| 10:43.04 | bathat | you're joking, obviously |
| 10:43.06 | Guerin | bathat: not sure why you're bothering then. |
| 10:43.17 | Guerin | it's like getting a civic and putting a big fin on |
| 10:43.23 | tralala | I have noticed as much as 300% improvement of dv to mpeg encoding on the very same hardware running sarge |
| 10:43.29 | lastnode | -kthx is a good flag too |
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| 10:43.35 | schme | tralala: That's very nice. |
| 10:43.37 | lastnode | -vvv is nicer |
| 10:43.54 | Guerin | lastnode: faster scrollies == faster code ;) |
| 10:43.56 | bathat | well, thanks for the help |
| 10:44.03 | liable | !ping |
| 10:44.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 10:44.16 | bathat | oh, one last thing |
| 10:44.32 | bathat | k8temp isn't supported by gnome-applets |
| 10:44.38 | bathat | xsensors, etc |
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| 10:44.59 | lastnode | Guerin, kthx is polite as well |
| 10:45.25 | Guerin | true |
| 10:45.27 | valdyn | adam0509: find -type f -exec chmod -x "{}" ";" |
| 10:45.33 | bathat | i use an app called conky to monitor temps and now when i launch it, i just get /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/: No such file or directory |
| 10:45.39 | lastnode | btw is OFTC down? |
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| 10:45.47 | streuner | no |
| 10:46.01 | lastnode | i cant connect for some reason |
| 10:46.03 | streuner | bathat: sound like ACPI :-) Do you use ACPI at all? |
| 10:46.11 | bathat | oh yes |
| 10:46.25 | bathat | of course of course |
| 10:46.28 | streuner | irc.oftc.net 85.214.36.108 |
| 10:46.36 | streuner | put that into /etc/hosts |
| 10:47.04 | lastnode | thanks streuner |
| 10:47.07 | liable | bathat: sounds like your acpi modules arent loaded |
| 10:47.09 | lastnode | dns was resolving to soem 12.xx address |
| 10:47.16 | bathat | that IS true |
| 10:47.18 | bathat | they aren't |
| 10:47.20 | tralala | uh, lastnode, don't you have a nameserver? |
| 10:47.31 | bathat | not sure why |
| 10:47.50 | bathat | they've been compiled as modules |
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| 10:48.04 | streuner | OFTC has many servers, maybe one of them is down or your DNS-Server sucks |
| 10:48.29 | adam0509 | valdyn, => okay thank you ! it works ! |
| 10:48.32 | lastnode | maybe my dns sucks |
| 10:48.49 | adam0509 | But now if I download a new file, he will be +x too... ? |
| 10:48.55 | bathat | i have all of the modules under /lib/modules/2.6.19/kernel/drivers/acpi |
| 10:49.06 | streuner | lastnode: make some entries in /etc/hosts, might help when you have (sometime) serious issues (DNS) |
| 10:49.19 | valdyn | bathat: why need an entry there at all? you dont need acpi at all to read sensors |
| 10:49.52 | adam0509 | ...okay just try, seems not, so all is okay, thanks valdyn |
| 10:50.00 | lastnode | streuner, i will, thanks |
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| 10:50.09 | bathat | what is needed then? |
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| 10:50.15 | lastnode | streuner, if i want to run some ifconfig commands at startup, that's in /etc/networking right? |
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| 10:50.37 | streuner | lastnode: read /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 10:50.51 | streuner | lastnode: specially 'examples' |
| 10:51.04 | valdyn | bathat: a kernel with sensors modules, a program 'sensors-detect' to set up that modules are loaded, a random tool to read out those values ( 'sensors' being a simple one for console for testing ) |
| 10:51.06 | bathat | hwmon |
| 10:51.08 | streuner | lastnode: in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
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| 10:51.25 | bathat | oh, sensors works |
| 10:51.27 | lastnode | streuner, cool thanks |
| 10:51.42 | streuner | np |
| 10:52.09 | bathat | i2c is in control of sensors, right? |
| 10:52.39 | valdyn | bathat: real problem begins though where you need voltage sensors and you tools have no fucking idea how to translate read out values into degrees centigrade or whatever |
| 10:52.45 | bathat | cool, sensors-detects appear to be working |
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| 10:53.48 | bathat | i have everything under 'hardware monitor support' deselected except for amd64 temp sensor |
| 10:53.50 | valdyn | bathat: http://valdyn.us.to/~valdyn/sensors as you should be able to see on that URL |
| 10:53.53 | bathat | probably not the best idea |
| 10:54.12 | valdyn | bathat: fine system, but sensors is just ALARM |
| 10:54.53 | bathat | cool |
| 10:54.57 | bathat | k8temp is loaded now |
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| 10:56.13 | valdyn | bathat: k8temp may be required or not, i have 3 places at least to read that out |
| 10:56.35 | valdyn | bathat: acpi ( you dont have ), k8temp and w83697hf |
| 10:56.44 | bathat | i get errors about eeprom, k8temp and it87 |
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| 10:57.04 | bathat | no errors for i2c-nforce2 |
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| 10:57.15 | bathat | Warning: the required module eeprom is not currently installed |
| 10:57.38 | streuner | bathat: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 10:57.55 | bathat | well, i found it87 |
| 10:58.05 | bathat | i've deselected it |
| 10:58.15 | bathat | Linux version 2.6.19 (bathat@c-67-167-188-115) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19)) #8 Sat Dec 9 05:11:19 EST 2006 |
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| 10:58.45 | bathat | same goes for eeprom |
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| 10:59.47 | bathat | xconfig's search is a big help |
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| 11:00.18 | Victor9 | Gathond: https://openjdk.dev.java.net/source/browse/openjdk/ ? |
| 11:00.38 | bathat | cool, i see on your page that you can also check voltages on the psu rails.. |
| 11:01.04 | valdyn | bathat: yea, but its useless |
| 11:01.13 | valdyn | bathat: at least for my hardware |
| 11:01.31 | bathat | yeah, it seems really buggy for you |
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| 11:02.12 | valdyn | bathat: and nvidia's sensors aren't listed, though gkrellm for instance sees them |
| 11:02.26 | xingu | valdyn: on the bright side, you could probably throw the sensed data into your entropy pool :) |
| 11:02.30 | bathat | i tried gkrellm before conky |
| 11:02.42 | valdyn | hah |
| 11:02.43 | xingu | gkrellm execve()'s nvclock last I looked |
| 11:02.47 | bathat | i dobut my pci gfx card has sensors |
| 11:03.01 | valdyn | xingu: it runs nvidia-settings |
| 11:03.24 | valdyn | xingu: or mayube nvclock if nvidia-settings is not there |
| 11:03.27 | dutchfish | i want to measure daily data trafic consumed per ip adress on every adapter in etch, is there a way with less overhead for the system? |
| 11:03.33 | bathat | well, i'm going to see how this works... reboot |
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| 11:04.23 | valdyn | dutchfish: traffic per adaptor is already counted, you just got to read ifconfig daily |
| 11:04.37 | valdyn | dutchfish: or is that what you want more subtle? |
| 11:05.09 | valdyn | dutchfish: actually, not per adapter, per interface ( see ifconfig ) |
| 11:05.13 | dutchfish | valdyn, yes, but there are 16+ ip adress on virtually devices (xen), and it consumes alot of resources to log |
| 11:05.50 | xingu | valdyn: re: nvidia sensors, seen http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=872395 ? |
| 11:06.16 | dutchfish | valdyn, at what point (apart from reboot) the values from ifconfig are reset or start at 0? |
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| 11:07.10 | Gathond | dutchfish: they wrap around when the unsigned int overflows, I think that is the only time |
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| 11:07.34 | dutchfish | Gathond, are they 16 bit values? |
| 11:07.52 | Gathond | dutchfish: the interface ones, no 32 bit |
| 11:08.00 | xingu | dutchfish: they're unsigned ints, width is architecturally dependant |
| 11:08.09 | Gathond | At least on x86, 64 bit CPU's might use 64 bits |
| 11:08.09 | dutchfish | xungu, thx |
| 11:08.15 | xingu | dutchfish: also, see /proc/net/dev and/or rrdtool |
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| 11:08.30 | enouf_ | dutchfish: there are (pretty gui) tools like ethape at sourceforge.net ..dunno if it's what you want though .. likely not .. hmm wonder if something in /proc/sys/ caan be parsed through a script |
| 11:09.01 | enouf_ | xungu=gumby :-) |
| 11:09.11 | dutchfish | enouf_, i use those values in mrtg on another machine, need only the values to store atm |
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| 11:10.08 | Gathond | dutchfish: note that you will probably have to somehow handle the wrap around if you are using a 32 bit CPU, as an unsigned int is only good for 4 GB of traffic |
| 11:10.19 | dutchfish | enouf_, but with consuming very litle resources, ifconfig script i wrote cosumes alot of resources |
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| 11:10.32 | xingu | and 4GB on a 10GigE interface doesn't take long, let me tell you |
| 11:10.41 | bathat | it works great now |
| 11:10.47 | dutchfish | Gathond, already figured that out, it raps around sevral times daily |
| 11:10.54 | bathat | although conky still things my processor temp is freezing |
| 11:11.04 | bathat | xsensors is really neat |
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| 11:11.53 | backtick | hi all.. what's the debian-like for redhat's chkconfig? |
| 11:12.43 | bathat | is 90deg F considered hot for an idle proc? |
| 11:13.18 | xingu | by the embedded guys? yeah. |
| 11:14.32 | valdyn | !90F |
| 11:14.35 | valdyn | !90C |
| 11:14.37 | valdyn | mm |
| 11:14.51 | bathat | Fahrenheit |
| 11:15.08 | valdyn | bathat: yep, no idea what's that in C |
| 11:15.24 | valdyn | !fahrenheit |
| 11:15.25 | bathat | 32 |
| 11:15.30 | valdyn | bathat: not hot |
| 11:15.35 | bathat | alright, good |
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| 11:16.32 | bathat | wow, and it doesn't change at all when i launch firefox |
| 11:16.39 | bathat | amazing consistency |
| 11:16.58 | dutchfish | xingu, edited my script with /proc/net/dev its about 60% less overhead then ifconfig.... thx again! |
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| 11:17.31 | schme | I seldom see my CPU go below 55C . of course it is never idle either (: |
| 11:18.06 | caimlas | hmm/.... is it normal for a laptop hard drive to rattle like something is loose inside when i hold it in my hand and rotate my wrist? I wonder. |
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| 11:18.21 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: no |
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| 11:18.27 | Gnea | caimlas: that's not a good sign |
| 11:18.40 | adamt | bathat: use google |
| 11:18.44 | Gnea | google a convertor |
| 11:18.56 | bathat | wow, 131 |
| 11:19.04 | caimlas | pumpkin0, honest to god, the thing still was able to have debian netboot installed to, and then have about 500mb of packages installed in addition, without any crashing. |
| 11:19.06 | xingu | dutchfish: running an snmp agent would probably be lighter again - sometimes one wheel design is enough, you know? |
| 11:19.35 | dutchfish | xingu, if smtp was not so unsave i would do |
| 11:19.40 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: check SMART via "smartctl -a" |
| 11:19.43 | xingu | oh here we go |
| 11:19.44 | dutchfish | xingu, snmp* |
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| 11:20.05 | xingu | yes, an snmp agent is much more unsafe than reimplementing it locally using shellscript |
| 11:20.18 | alex___ | how do I say what /dev/ are my partition assigned to ? |
| 11:20.23 | bathat | i guess conky is incapable of displaying temps |
| 11:20.25 | xingu | [x] completely agree |
| 11:20.40 | caimlas | pumpkin0, hmm, i would, but the machine is in half a dozen different piles right now as I've just disassembled it. |
| 11:20.54 | caimlas | i'll do that, though, if it boots after reassembly ;P |
| 11:20.58 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: why ? |
| 11:21.20 | pumpkin0 | alex___: /etc/fstab ? |
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| 11:21.36 | bathat | anyone here using kernel 2.6.19 and has an nvidia gfx card? |
| 11:21.43 | cahoot | alex___: plain mount? |
| 11:22.18 | bathat | because the debian nvidia kernel doesn't work for this kernel version |
| 11:22.19 | pumpkin0 | !tell bathat about anyone |
| 11:22.24 | caimlas | pumpkin0, lots dust/lint. and, because I needed to do so to find the FRU so I could get a replacement. |
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| 11:22.30 | alex___ | pumpkin0: I have installed a debian system on a external disk and then edited fstab before mount -a, when mounting, it says that special device /dev/sda1 does not exist ? |
| 11:22.32 | caimlas | pumpkin0, what will smartctl -a tell me? |
| 11:22.34 | bathat | actually, only the beta proprietary one works |
| 11:22.45 | xingu | bathat: not even 9631 in experimental? deary me, I must be hallucinating |
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| 11:22.48 | dutchfish | xingu, now i just have to figure out how to detect a wrap-around :) in a script |
| 11:22.51 | cahoot | bathat: yes and yes - but I use nv |
| 11:22.54 | bathat | ok, thanks pumpkin0 |
| 11:23.03 | xingu | I wonder what that changelog entry about improved 2.6.19 compatibility's all about |
| 11:23.05 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: smartctl gives you a healthstatus for the HD. |
| 11:23.44 | pumpkin0 | alex___: check dmesg and search for the name of the USB-Device. |
| 11:23.48 | schme | bathat: Are you running a custom kernel ... ? |
| 11:23.53 | bathat | yes |
| 11:23.57 | caimlas | pumpkin0, i'm guessing it wouldn't say much if the drive's head were floating around inside the chasis somewhere, bouncing about at 5400rpm... |
| 11:24.36 | schme | bathat: Then you need to grab the nvidia driver source/binary blob and compile a driver. |
| 11:24.36 | lastnode | streuner, you there? |
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| 11:24.36 | bathat | xingu: you're right, but i'm scared off by the warnings for experimental |
| 11:24.36 | alex___ | pumpkin0: not sure to know what to look for |
| 11:24.42 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: you would be amazed ... i get smart-status for HD what dot even spin up anymore. |
| 11:24.43 | xingu | and yet he compiles his own kernels |
| 11:24.50 | xingu | scary things, these experimentals |
| 11:24.51 | bathat | Warning: This package is from the experimental distribution. That means it is likely unstable or buggy, and it may even cause data loss. |
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| 11:25.16 | bathat | are you running an experimental distro? |
| 11:25.39 | schme | bathat: If you are a big fan of compiling kernels you will have to compile a new nvidia module each time you compile a new kernel (: |
| 11:25.45 | bathat | the only way i can get nvidia-glx is via unstable |
| 11:25.45 | xingu | no, but I tend to assume that the rules of the game are - you maintain ex-repo kernels, you get to buy the breakage |
| 11:25.47 | pumpkin0 | alex___: "dmesg | grep USB | less" |
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| 11:25.58 | bathat | schme: i know |
| 11:26.06 | bathat | not a big deal really |
| 11:26.07 | xingu | and that means a patch for 962[59] or using 9631 |
| 11:26.15 | xingu | god help you if you're still on the 8xxx series. :) |
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| 11:26.29 | bathat | and you're using the exp. nvidia driver? |
| 11:26.43 | xingu | yep |
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| 11:26.54 | bathat | well, if it's working for you, i might as well jump in |
| 11:26.54 | schme | Oh no. I don't have an nvidia card. I used to. It worked with no problem at all. |
| 11:26.58 | xingu | beats the alternative of retrofitting the vendor's crazy-ass packaging to debian |
| 11:27.04 | bathat | oh, but xingu is |
| 11:27.13 | schme | of course I never compile my own kernel. It seems... an odd thing to do |
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| 11:27.18 | bathat | xingu: i've had some seriously problems with the driver from nvidia |
| 11:27.23 | bathat | and i had to get help here |
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| 11:27.52 | t2ktemp | has anybody here used xen with debian etch ? |
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| 11:27.58 | caimlas | pumpkin0, I'm amazed the system boots without any protest, honestly, considering how much sound this drive is making when I move it. I've never seen anything like it. |
| 11:27.59 | bathat | dpkg-divert business |
| 11:28.01 | blondie | !anyone |
| 11:28.01 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:28.11 | bathat | well, let me try the experimental driver |
| 11:28.13 | alex___ | pumpkin0: yes but then ? my usb disk contains two partitions mounted from /dev/sbd1 and /dev/sbd2 to /media/usbdisk1 and /media/usbdisk2 |
| 11:28.38 | pumpkin0 | alex___: well... put these into /etc/fstab ? |
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| 11:29.23 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: it may be the head-park not working anymore... in that case: do not move the HD while it´s off. |
| 11:29.25 | schme | bathat: The easiest way is of course to use the debian kernel and the nvidia-glx :) |
| 11:29.33 | bathat | yep |
| 11:29.47 | alex___ | pumpkin0: and when I do, it says that mount: special device /dev/sdb2 does not exist |
| 11:30.40 | t2ktemp | can anybody help im trying to compile xen on debian etch but when i do, i loose driver support for my lan as kernel xen uses is linux-2.6.16.29 and i need to use at least 2.6.17-2 . can anybody help ? |
| 11:30.42 | caimlas | pumpkin0, at this poitn it doesn't matter. there's nothing of import on the disk. |
| 11:30.52 | caimlas | pumpkin0, and if hte head won't park, well... |
| 11:31.16 | pumpkin0 | alex___: ? doublecheck the USB-device is really, really sdb. (and not sda). Or (if the kernel supports it) use the /dev/disk/by-id |
| 11:31.22 | xingu | schme: the problem with that is that the vendor hasn't quite got the hang of release management yet; if you follow that approach strictly, you can end up with nowayout's where the vendor's fix is a new driver which is ex-repo. |
| 11:31.44 | alex___ | pumpkin0: wait. let me reexplain it, I have usbexternal disk, I have two partition to install a debian system on it / and /boot, after installing, I chroot inside and I am now talking about /etc/fstab of the newly installed system on the usb disk, initially this disk is /dev/sdb but in its own /etc/ftsab should not it be sda ? |
| 11:32.22 | pumpkin0 | alex___: if you chroot into it you have to mount/fill dev on the USB-disc. |
| 11:32.30 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: go shopping. |
| 11:32.45 | schme | xingu: mmm.. I really had no problem with using the source+blob straight from nvidia.com back when I owned one of their cards. Just grab it, compile it, and it worked :) |
| 11:33.10 | pumpkin0 | alex___: inside the chroot /dev/sdb1 is the /dev/sdb1-node inside the chroot (and not the one on the main system) |
| 11:33.12 | schme | xingu: But it would be helpful if nvidia made some .debs . Wouldn't be too much work for them one would think. |
| 11:33.14 | caimlas | pumpkin0, yeah. looks like it. guess when the warranty expired? (hint: it was a historical day in US history) |
| 11:33.23 | alex___ | pumpkin0: not sure to understand, I have to mount -a but then I need to edit my fstab, is that what you are talking about ? |
| 11:33.48 | pumpkin0 | alex___: you run mount -a inside the chroot ? |
| 11:33.55 | alex___ | pumpkin0: yes |
| 11:33.58 | pumpkin0 | caimlas: 4. july ? |
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| 11:34.18 | xingu | schme: that's one approach; but sticking with the stable/* fails in two dimensions - one, new chipsets need new driver trains, two, the ever-expanding list of "feature requests" (ie - bugs) require a certain degree of up-to-the-minutism if you're really pushing glx |
| 11:34.20 | pumpkin0 | alex___: Is there a file called /dev/sdb1 inside the chroot ? |
| 11:34.52 | alex___ | pumpkin0: nope |
| 11:35.00 | caimlas | no dec. 7th - pearl harbor |
| 11:35.13 | pumpkin0 | alex___: so how should "mount -a" inside the chroot find /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 11:35.24 | alex___ | pumpkin0: but there is no sda neither |
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| 11:35.40 | caimlas | wonder if IBM would still honor it... |
| 11:35.59 | alex___ | pumpkin0: what should I do ? |
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| 11:36.13 | pumpkin0 | alex___: you need to create the file /dev/sdb1 (to fill the whole /dev...). run "mount" outside the chroot and paste the output into a pastebin. |
| 11:36.33 | alex___ | ok |
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| 11:36.50 | schme | xingu: That glx + stable is a wee bit of a problem really. I presume most people who just want glx have no problem with running unstable or what not ("gamers", random home users)... But 3d professionals would want stable AND the bestest driver. Tricky shit :) |
| 11:37.42 | xingu | schme: not for the weak hearted; the correct solution is to round up everyone who has licensed a patent to the vendor ever and rubber-hose them until they put it into the public domain |
| 11:37.47 | xingu | schme: it's the only way to be sure |
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| 11:38.20 | schme | Hahahaha! |
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| 11:38.58 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i think ati & nvida cannot provide open-source. They would risk a huge lawsuit because of all the patents they didn´t know/care about. |
| 11:39.09 | xingu | I think I just said that. |
| 11:39.11 | xingu | :) |
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| 11:39.26 | bathat | that did the trick alright |
| 11:39.40 | Victor9 | patents are evil |
| 11:39.41 | xingu | pay it forward |
| 11:39.48 | DustyDingo | hm, is http://debian-multimedia.org a trustable source? |
| 11:39.50 | xingu | and send rdonald a beer for christmas |
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| 11:40.31 | xingu | patents don't kill innovation; people who use patents kill innovation |
| 11:40.34 | alex___ | if a mounted Volume cannot be umounted because it is busy how do i do ? |
| 11:40.50 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i don´t think ati & Co have the licenses for these patents. |
| 11:40.54 | bathat | any idea why xscreensaver never starts? |
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| 11:41.09 | schme | Coming from the OpenBSD world I am quite amazed of how easy it is to get glx working on Debian .. My perspective on things is twisted. I suppose people coming from the Windows world find it way confusing. |
| 11:41.15 | bathat | if i want it to display, i have to bring up the prefs and tell it to start |
| 11:41.31 | pumpkin0 | alex___: "lsof | grep /mountpoint". <= These progs block the umount |
| 11:41.42 | bathat | and i really want my bouncing cow :P |
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| 11:42.23 | xingu | xscreensaver has a bouncing cow? |
| 11:42.34 | bathat | sure does |
| 11:42.40 | bathat | it's called by the same name |
| 11:43.24 | bathat | i can't be sure, but it seems like the debian nvidia drivers are a little slower |
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| 11:43.39 | IronM | morning |
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| 11:43.48 | bathat | takes a tad longer to maximize a window |
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| 11:44.13 | schme | As for driver install being easier on windows... I'm not so convinced. I tried installing a new nvidia driver on the wife's windows box. From what I understand the process goes: grab the driver, click install, reboot, windows refuses to start, failsafe, revert to old driver after digging through the control panel, restart, uninstall old driver, install new driver, reboot. |
| 11:44.21 | IronM | do you have some experience in using dfsbuild for stable releases of debian ? - thank you in advance for any hints :) |
| 11:44.31 | bathat | but then again, maybe it's a delusion |
| 11:44.44 | cahoot | schme: must be te fast ethod |
| 11:44.45 | quitte | bathat: are you talking about the drivers from non-free? those are the very same as those from nvidia |
| 11:45.06 | bathat | yes i am |
| 11:45.20 | bathat | well then i'm definitely wrong |
| 11:45.43 | Eulex | bathat, time to maximize a window doesn't really depend much on the drivers, more on the speed of the widget toolkit |
| 11:45.48 | quitte | or debian disabled the internal agpgart of the nvidia drivers somehow |
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| 11:45.53 | schme | cahoot: :) |
| 11:46.06 | bathat | alright, makes sense |
| 11:46.24 | bathat | is there a way to tell the kernel to load one module and not another? |
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| 11:46.47 | bathat | haha |
| 11:46.51 | bathat | you like the bouncing cow? |
| 11:46.53 | xingu | aah, good old 3ds max sharks |
| 11:47.02 | xingu | they get around |
| 11:47.05 | quitte | bathat: insmod. but usually the dependency management of modprobe is just fine |
| 11:47.06 | xingu | promiscuous little buggers |
| 11:47.13 | bathat | yeah |
| 11:47.17 | bathat | is better |
| 11:47.27 | bathat | but i have a pci soundcard and an integrated chip |
| 11:47.36 | xingu | tunnel is fun; that might make my root window |
| 11:47.37 | bathat | and i want to not load the pci card modules |
| 11:47.41 | quitte | bathat: ah. ask dpkg about blacklist |
| 11:47.54 | bathat | tunnel makes me sick |
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| 11:48.15 | bathat | wow, thanks a lot |
| 11:48.29 | shinobi2 | how to pronounce knoppix? k-noppix or just noppix? |
| 11:48.30 | bathat | you sure do know your s$%# lol |
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| 11:48.36 | xingu | boing needs juggler to go with it |
| 11:48.38 | quitte | ive been listening to blowfly for hours now. i guess im a pervert now |
| 11:48.58 | Eulex | shinobi2, ask #knoppix |
| 11:49.04 | bathat | juggler was my screensaver for awhile |
| 11:49.07 | bathat | that's a cool one |
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| 11:49.30 | quitte | shinobi2: it was developped by a german dude. so its knoppix. kn being like a single letter |
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| 11:50.05 | shinobi2 | quitte, ok, cause there's gnoppix, (gnome) and there's knoppix (kde) |
| 11:50.44 | jugglinx | bathat, i like it also, specially coz the number, is really "educative" ;-) |
| 11:50.53 | jugglinx | numbers* |
| 11:51.19 | bathat | the juggling one? |
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| 11:51.35 | quitte | shinobi2: i#m pretty sure theres no weird pronounciation like gahnew(gnu) for example |
| 11:51.45 | Quibus | Hi all. |
| 11:51.48 | jugglinx | yep, u know those little numbers in the top :-) |
| 11:51.51 | bathat | xingu: how do i get the debian nvidia drivers on my system? |
| 11:52.01 | bathat | oh yeah, i had those disabled |
| 11:52.04 | Quibus | When I try to purge an old kernel image, I get an error on the post-removal script |
| 11:52.06 | quitte | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 11:52.15 | bathat | yeah, that's what i did |
| 11:52.21 | bathat | so i do have the right drivers |
| 11:52.27 | bathat | good to hear |
| 11:52.30 | quitte | the kernel modules,es |
| 11:52.42 | IronM | hi quitte ... I am not able to help you in this matter .. you should ask kano ;-) |
| 11:52.56 | quitte | IronM: quibus? |
| 11:53.04 | Quibus | I'll paste it somewhere |
| 11:53.05 | whadar | how can i see the package list with their priorities ? |
| 11:53.12 | jugglinx | bathat, but that s the best, its "jugglers code", it about tempos... it s really educative :-) |
| 11:53.21 | IronM | thankyou quitte |
| 11:53.29 | bathat | mine doesn't appear to change |
| 11:53.30 | IronM | hi Quibus ... I am not able to help you in this matter .. you should ask kano ;-) |
| 11:53.35 | xingu | bathat: horses mouth is proc/driver/nvidia/version |
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| 11:54.04 | bathat | i gotta stick with my bouncy cow |
| 11:54.10 | bathat | it's too funny |
| 11:54.25 | bathat | NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-9631 |
| 11:54.26 | xingu | blur is looking like another candidate |
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| 11:54.46 | bathat | i still wish i could figure out how to make xscreensaver start everytime |
| 11:55.04 | xingu | add it to your session manager |
| 11:55.22 | bathat | oh, that would be a problem |
| 11:55.32 | Quibus | http://pastebin.ca/274067 <-- can someone please help me with this? |
| 11:55.40 | bathat | see, i'm using xfce |
| 11:55.48 | quitte | gah! where does the udev persistant-net rules get the idea from that i want eth0 renamed? |
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| 11:56.02 | bathat | and afaik, i would add it to .xinitrc |
| 11:56.16 | bathat | but it won't work unless session saver is disabled |
| 11:56.27 | bathat | xfce4-session* |
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| 11:57.58 | quitte | i deleted all lines in the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules file. then i rebootet and the file was recreated and renamed eth0 to eth0-renamed |
| 11:58.04 | Quibus | I really don't see what's going wrong there :( |
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| 11:58.20 | valdyn | quitte: thats supposed to be an intermediate name |
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| 11:58.39 | valdyn | quitte: ideally you fix this by changing names to somethough out of the ethX namespace |
| 11:58.49 | valdyn | quitte: instead of deleting.. |
| 11:59.03 | bathat | i discovered that i don't have an instance of xfce4-session running |
| 11:59.13 | bathat | yet i must be using it |
| 11:59.19 | valdyn | quitte: deletion will just make it be recreated |
| 11:59.30 | quitte | valdyn: so messing with that file is the new debian way? isn#t there a nice way to do the mac address -> iface name mapping? |
| 11:59.41 | valdyn | quitte: its a nice way |
| 12:00.00 | quitte | valdyn: actually i#d prefer if it just kept its original name the way it did for years |
| 12:00.17 | quitte | or understand how this works. i never told it to rename the iface |
| 12:00.22 | valdyn | quitte: original name can be ugly if you add a new device |
| 12:00.28 | liable | !ping |
| 12:00.28 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:00.36 | valdyn | quitte: but anyway feel free to change ethX to whatever name there, but dont just remov that file |
| 12:00.58 | quitte | valdyn: i see. imho the proper way would be to have the mac address in the network/interfaces file then |
| 12:01.25 | quitte | valdyn: but why does it rename eth0 in the first place. eth1 stays the way it always was |
| 12:01.30 | IronM | I am looking for dfs.conf file to create debian (stable) CD - do you have any experience with using dfsbuild? |
| 12:01.43 | valdyn | quitte: well, all persistent device names are kept by udev, instead of spreading this ( for cdroms / whatever/ nics ) accross the various subsystems its all in udev |
| 12:02.26 | bathat | @find saturday night live |
| 12:02.27 | valdyn | quitte: its supposed to keep the first used name foreve, no matter if you add nics or not |
| 12:02.33 | bathat | oops |
| 12:02.36 | valdyn | quitte: if it doesnt do that -> file a bug report |
| 12:03.14 | quitte | well i guess it kind of did. i installed from eth1. but never wanted that to change eth0 in any way |
| 12:03.22 | MoDaX | Quibus: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-2.6.15-1-k7.postrm and try again |
| 12:03.31 | quitte | valdyn: udev is the package to file against? |
| 12:03.38 | valdyn | quitte: yep |
| 12:03.54 | Quibus | MoDaX: that file doesn't exist |
| 12:04.19 | valdyn | quitte: i know there's issues, which is why i recommend switching to a new namespace so conflicts are avoided |
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| 12:05.19 | valdyn | quitte: eth0 -> net0 is easy compared to eth0 -> intermediate -> ( rename other stuff ) -> ethX |
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| 12:05.35 | MoDaX | Quibus: sorry, rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.15-1-k7.postrm |
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| 12:06.03 | xingu | aah, good old gl lockups, where would you be... |
| 12:06.15 | DustyDingo | hm, i have a very strange problem |
| 12:06.36 | Quibus | MoDaX: btw, why is this a good solution? :-) |
| 12:06.40 | DustyDingo | i have to systems all update from ftp.debian.org with the same reps |
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| 12:07.03 | whadar | where can i see a list of all debain packages with their priorities (required, optional, extra, etc...) |
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| 12:07.18 | DustyDingo | on the one there is a rtorrent package and on the other there isn't |
| 12:07.37 | valdyn | DustyDingo: its not the same repositories then |
| 12:07.45 | MoDaX | Quibus: it's not very good. but that package you want to remove is old and it's pointless to solve the problem in other way |
| 12:07.55 | DustyDingo | valdyn: well they are, i am sure |
| 12:08.03 | valdyn | DustyDingo: im not, paste both sources.list |
| 12:08.10 | valdyn | !paste |
| 12:08.10 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 12:08.13 | quitte | valdyn: right. well i renamed to intern0 and gbit0 now. mabe at some point the installer could ask for the names. with the net0 thing you end up having spaces between the interfaces after removing and installing a few. that can be rather confusing,too |
| 12:08.18 | DustyDingo | valdyn: rtorrent ins in etch main |
| 12:08.28 | lastnode | !info canoe etch |
| 12:08.59 | DustyDingo | on the other system i have added http://debian-multimedia.org |
| 12:09.11 | valdyn | DustyDingo: PASTE, dont describe |
| 12:09.42 | Quibus | MoDaX: I get the same errors when purging other old kernels |
| 12:09.48 | Quibus | (2.6.16 e.g.) |
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| 12:10.13 | DimmuR | i have usb devices listed in /sys/bus/usb/devices instead of /proc/bus/usb/devices - how can i make it working for /proc/bus/usb/devices? |
| 12:10.16 | DustyDingo | valdyn: http://phpfi.com/183303 |
| 12:10.38 | whadar | how come "dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Priority} ${Package}\n' | grep essential" return an empty list? i have no essential packages? |
| 12:10.43 | MoDaX | Quibus: if you have time and skills, you can try to determine why it fails |
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| 12:11.12 | Quibus | MoDaX: I have time and limited skills :P |
| 12:12.20 | valdyn | DustyDingo: and the first has no rtorrent? |
| 12:12.30 | valdyn | !info rtorrent etch |
| 12:12.36 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 320 kB, Installed size: 864 kB |
| 12:12.42 | IronM | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.45 | IronM | I am looking for dfs.conf file to create debian (stable) CD - do you have any experience with using dfsbuild? |
| 12:12.46 | IronM | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.50 | MoDaX | Quibus: so just rm appropriate postrm scripts. however, if new kernels (2.6.17, 2.6.18) fail in the sameway, it's a bug |
| 12:12.59 | DustyDingo | valdyn: correct |
| 12:13.11 | Quibus | MoDaX: OK. Something changed there, then? (I'll not remove 2.6.17 yet... :-) |
| 12:13.15 | DustyDingo | valdyn: rtorrent was in testing some houres ago |
| 12:13.22 | DustyDingo | now it isn't (packages.debian.org) |
| 12:13.24 | MoDaX | Quibus: likely |
| 12:13.40 | Quibus | MoDaX: this falls in the "you're running testing" stanza? :-) |
| 12:13.46 | DustyDingo | why, when i am updating two systems at the same time, there is such an difference,... |
| 12:13.50 | valdyn | DustyDingo: rtorrent is not in etch |
| 12:13.52 | DustyDingo | *a |
| 12:13.56 | MoDaX | Quibus: yeah |
| 12:13.58 | valdyn | !why is rtorrent not in testing |
| 12:13.58 | dpkg | rtorrent is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=rtorrent |
| 12:14.21 | MoDaX | Quibus: 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 are very old |
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| 12:14.43 | Quibus | MoDaX: mwah... very... 2.6.16 is about 4 months old I think? |
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| 12:15.25 | Quibus | I still have some files in my /var/lib/initramfs-tools that refer to older kernels |
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| 12:15.32 | Quibus | shouldn't those have been deleted? |
| 12:15.34 | valdyn | DustyDingo: 'Bug #401006: libtorrent9: safe_sync errors' is the bug report, i get that too with rtorrent |
| 12:15.36 | MoDaX | Quibus: no. 9 months old |
| 12:15.39 | DustyDingo | valdyn: hm, thats very strange, two systems, same mirror, same reps and one has a delay of some houres |
| 12:15.45 | Quibus | MoDaX: OK, 9 then :-) |
| 12:15.59 | valdyn | DustyDingo: i doubt that |
| 12:16.15 | valdyn | DustyDingo: you might just have grabbed rtorrent on one just in time |
| 12:16.24 | Eulex | Quibus, actually... 8 months for the latest point release of 2.6.16 |
| 12:16.26 | MoDaX | Quibus: maybe postrm should have deleted them :) |
| 12:16.57 | MoDaX | Quibus: clean up manully |
| 12:16.59 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 12:17.42 | Quibus | MoDaX: even a successfully removed kernel image left something there |
| 12:17.49 | valdyn | DustyDingo: oh well, since this seems to actually be a kernel bug, i'd just grab that package from somewhere |
| 12:17.58 | cahoot | 2.6.16.35 dec06 2006 |
| 12:18.54 | MoDaX | Quibus: might be. but you can safely delete them |
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| 12:24.04 | IronM | dfsbuild Error: E: Couldm't install root! .. what coud be the reason for this error ? - thank you in adnvance for any hints ! :) |
| 12:24.24 | Quibus | anyway, thanks MoDaX |
| 12:25.06 | dutchfish | IronM, are you using grub? |
| 12:25.19 | IronM | yes dutchfish |
| 12:25.39 | dutchfish | IronM, did you double check that your boot path is ok? |
| 12:25.40 | IronM | dutchfish: I' installed sarge 31r4 ... |
| 12:25.56 | IronM | where to look dutchfish ? |
| 12:26.03 | dutchfish | IronM, updated from r3? or fresh install? |
| 12:26.10 | IronM | fresh one dutchfish |
| 12:26.26 | dutchfish | IronM, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:26.40 | IronM | well .. I've installed some additional packages later |
| 12:26.55 | dutchfish | IronM, did it boot initially? |
| 12:27.27 | IronM | yes |
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| 12:28.00 | dutchfish | IronM, first check your menu.lst if boot path is alright |
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| 12:28.12 | _Brandon_ | hi, i've setup a maradns server, but i can't resolv external hostname for example nslookup google.com server can't find google.com: REFUSED |
| 12:28.30 | IronM | in /boot/grub/menu-lst are etries like /boot/vmlinuz... I have on the hdd three debian distris |
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| 12:28.53 | dutchfish | IronM, and hdd(x,x)? |
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| 12:29.23 | dutchfish | IronM, does that match your partition layout? |
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| 12:30.26 | dutchfish | IronM, btw does it boot in safemode? |
| 12:30.45 | IronM | well dutchfish .. there are three root (hd0,[302])* entries - *regex |
| 12:31.12 | dutchfish | IronM, if you can boot it you could try update-grub |
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| 12:31.36 | IronM | as I have three systems ... mayby the order is importent .. I am able to boot |
| 12:31.43 | IronM | dutchfish: ^ |
| 12:31.45 | dutchfish | IronM, what disks ide, sata? |
| 12:31.51 | IronM | no ide Sup3rkiddo |
| 12:31.55 | wols_ | IronM: what do you do exactly to get the error? |
| 12:31.55 | IronM | osp .. dutchfish |
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| 12:32.20 | IronM | dutchfish: Error: E: Couldm't install root! |
| 12:32.24 | die_anna | hi |
| 12:32.24 | die_anna | tag |
| 12:32.30 | die_anna | are here any suckers? |
| 12:32.36 | IronM | dutchfish: runnig dfsbuild -c ... |
| 12:32.42 | IronM | hi anna |
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| 12:33.44 | IronM | dutchfish: I will try to change the order of menu.lst lines ... the newest install will boot first per dafault ... |
| 12:33.59 | dutchfish | IronM, yes, did you install new kernel? |
| 12:34.07 | IronM | dutchfish: no |
| 12:34.08 | ericP | gosh, i knew that i could use tasksel to install broad categories of stuff, but i didn't know it deleted stuff in those categories but not selected |
| 12:34.29 | ericP | i went from having a desktop environment to not having a desktop environment very efficiently |
| 12:34.31 | die_anna | fuck you motherfuckers! |
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| 12:34.32 | IronM | it is 2.6.8-2-i386 from sarge stable |
| 12:34.33 | die_anna | fuck you motherfuckers! |
| 12:34.37 | die_anna | fuck you motherfuckers! |
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| 12:35.04 | ericP | am now a little nervous about what i'll get when i get desktop environment back |
| 12:35.08 | wols_ | gotta love the idiot crpaflooders |
| 12:35.16 | ericP | thank you, debhelper. you're a doll |
| 12:35.21 | IronM | dutchfish: I will reboot .. the test system |
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| 12:36.06 | dutchfish | IronM, what hardware i.e. machine are you using? |
| 12:36.18 | Enquest | Hello is it possible to run acces my database on the server via ssh connection and a mysql application on my laptop? |
| 12:36.32 | IronM | it is athlon (32bit) with 1GB RAM and ASUS MB @ dutchfish |
| 12:36.40 | dutchfish | Enquest, yes by tunneling through ssh |
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| 12:36.57 | Enquest | dutchfish how would I do this? |
| 12:37.28 | IronM | do you have some good experiences with dfsbuild dutchfish ? |
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| 12:38.17 | Enquest | dutchfish, I will google for it thanxs |
| 12:38.17 | dutchfish | Enquest, http://www.debuntu.org/comment/reply/6 |
| 12:38.38 | dutchfish | IronM, not really |
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| 12:39.17 | IronM | I am trying to build a new cebian CD with dfsbuild ... dutchfish |
| 12:39.46 | wols_ | IronM: what does "df" say? what device is your / fs? |
| 12:39.46 | dutchfish | IronM, have tried it, but buzz card iso always serves my needs completely |
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| 12:41.13 | IronM | dutchfish: the system ist just rebooting .. the sarge installation is on /dev/hda4 |
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| 12:41.32 | IronM | hi wols_ |
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| 12:41.42 | IronM | wols_: the system ist just rebooting .. the sarge installation is on /dev/hda4 |
| 12:42.11 | alex_ | PumpkinPie: I have finally restarted my system and mounted my usb flash media manually, it was attributed /dev/sda and have two partitions, so I /dev/sda1 is /media/usbFlashBoot while /dev/sda2 is /media/usbFlash |
| 12:42.34 | alex_ | PumpkinPie: I am now installing a debian system with debootstrap |
| 12:42.51 | alex_ | PumpkinPie: on /media/usbFlashBoot/ (/dev/sda2) |
| 12:43.32 | IronM | wols_: I will change the /boot/grub/menu.lst (another order or boot lines .. with first /dev/hda4) ...and try again to run "dfsbuild -c .. " @ dutchfish |
| 12:43.35 | alex_ | PumpkinPie: I will then chroot into th usb drive to mount the system, is that ok ? |
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| 12:43.43 | alex_ | PumpkinPie: remember me right ? |
| 12:43.52 | die_anna | windows is much better than linux!!! |
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| 12:44.02 | wols_ | IronM: please answer my question |
| 12:44.12 | wols_ | !ops please ban that idiotic polish crapflooder |
| 12:44.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: wols_ complains about: please ban that idiotic polish crapflooder |
| 12:45.05 | eilker | die_anna: u r so funny :))) |
| 12:45.14 | alex_ | he's gone |
| 12:45.25 | alex_ | PumpkinPie: ? |
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| 12:45.36 | eilker | die_anna: why does he write it here ? :)))) |
| 12:45.52 | IronM | wols_: the sarge installation (from which I am running dfsbuild .. ) ist /dev/hda4 |
| 12:45.59 | alex_ | eilker: its a bot for sure |
| 12:46.14 | alex_ | or a kid that does not know how to occupy himself |
| 12:46.22 | eilker | alex: aha, i didnt know it, this is funny too:) |
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| 12:46.44 | wols_ | IronM: please answer my question. if you can't do that, simply stop asking |
| 12:47.25 | IronM | which question do you mean wols_ ? *sorry* |
| 12:47.51 | tralala | this one perhaps: 14:41 < wols_> IronM: what does "df" say? what device is your / fs? |
| 12:47.59 | alex_ | ok so PumpkinPie has gone |
| 12:48.12 | IronM | df says: /dev/hda4 ... |
| 12:48.16 | wols_ | this one: 13:39 < wols_> IronM: what does "df" say? what device is your / fs? |
| 12:48.38 | IronM | wols_: df says: /dev/hda4 ... 1% / |
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| 12:49.08 | alex_ | anyone might hell surely, I am installing a debian system on a usb drive, I have partitionned it and mounted the drive /dev/sda into media, now I am installing the system with debootstrap and I am about to chroot into it to edit its /etc/fstab to mount the system |
| 12:50.11 | IronM | wols_: did you get my answer ? |
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| 12:50.39 | wols_ | IronM: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/125 |
| 12:50.48 | wols_ | search for your error message |
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| 12:51.08 | IronM | wols_: I know this article *thank you* .. it is my start point |
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| 12:52.07 | IronM | wols_: what would help me would be another dfs.conf file .. for creating CD for stable sarge |
| 12:52.20 | IronM | just as reference wols_ |
| 12:52.48 | IronM | thank you very much for your asistance wols_ :) |
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| 12:53.26 | IronM | wols_: I've changed the orde in menu.lst and just runnig the dfsbuils -c .. again ... |
| 12:53.34 | IronM | order ... |
| 12:53.48 | IronM | it takes some minutes |
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| 12:56.56 | dutchfish | IronM, just curieus why you want to use dfsbuild? |
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| 12:57.34 | IronM | do you have a better idea what to use to build his own customized debian CD dutchfish ? |
| 12:57.56 | dutchfish | IronM, no |
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| 12:58.02 | wols_ | I'm just curious why the menu.lst would have _anything_ to do with his problem |
| 12:58.28 | alex_ | i Have chroot into my newly installed system on my usb drive, I am about to edit the etc/fstab to mount the system, but I am not sure what /dev/sda to use for the boot and the /, my disk is partionned and appears on my host system as /dev/sda, but after chroot, there is no /dev/sda in the new system |
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| 12:58.41 | dutchfish | wols_, i was thinking about wrong boot device |
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| 12:59.49 | IronM | dutchfish: & wols_ - I've found some info refer to the Couldn't install root! error |
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| 13:00.50 | cusco | dudes... Im on the latest today's D-I build for testing |
| 13:00.57 | cusco | cannot mount proc on chroot |
| 13:01.01 | cusco | device or resource busy |
| 13:01.12 | cusco | fails to install the base system |
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| 13:01.32 | cusco | debootstrap cannot go on |
| 13:01.44 | cusco | just telling.. |
| 13:02.04 | ericP | tasksel recently nuked my xorg (my mistake, thought it was "what stuff do you want to *add*?" vs. "what stuff do you want to *have*?") |
| 13:02.38 | dutchfish | IronM, do you have the right packages for your fs in the packagelist of dfsbuild? |
| 13:03.02 | ericP | when it re-installed, i went from 1900xsomething rediculous to 1024x768 |
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| 13:03.36 | ericP | i just tried $(dpkg-reconfigure xorg) but was not prompted to select (Again) the resolution |
| 13:03.49 | ericP | any idea what package has an install script that does that? |
| 13:03.55 | valdyn | ericP: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:04.01 | wols_ | dutchfish: I told him where to look, but he's terminally incapable of reading it seems |
| 13:04.08 | wols_ | well it's sunday, so what do I expect? |
| 13:04.13 | wols_ | !sunday |
| 13:04.14 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:04.33 | dutchfish | lol |
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| 13:05.08 | cahoot | dutchfish: even lol is considered non-pc here |
| 13:05.08 | loopdee | i'm trying to figure out which package puts remote-desktop in the gnome menu,desktop prefrences |
| 13:05.08 | ericP | valdyn, tx. seems different than what i was prompted when i first installed xorg, but is doing the trick (except it doesn't know my vid card this time) |
| 13:05.22 | dutchfish | cahoot, sorry |
| 13:05.32 | cahoot | don't be |
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| 13:08.41 | IronM | dutchfish: probably I have to upgrade cdebootstrap ... maybe it is only possible to create new CD only for etch ... but NOT for sarge :/ |
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| 13:09.16 | IronM | dutchfish: I've taken the default packagelist and my additional packages |
| 13:09.27 | dutchfish | IronM, i doubt that, i created ones my own iso with Sarge, but i have no need for it |
| 13:10.15 | IronM | with which tools dutchfish ? |
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| 13:10.42 | dutchfish | IronM, 1 issue i had was related to hardware back then, i needed noapic in the kernel line of grub |
| 13:11.49 | IronM | I see dutchfish |
| 13:11.50 | dutchfish | IronM, you could try it on anothe rmachine to create it |
| 13:12.28 | dutchfish | IronM, i used my old compaq for it, and it worked right away |
| 13:13.22 | dutchfish | IronM, or use etch with a newer kernel |
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| 13:15.34 | IronM | dutchfish: I have an old (too old) cdebootstrap version .. 0.3.4 ... an not at least 0.3.5 .. this could be the reason :/ |
| 13:15.52 | dutchfish | IronM, possible yes |
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| 13:16.26 | IronM | dutchfish: any idea where to get cdebootstrap 0.3.5 package for sarge ? |
| 13:16.27 | wols_ | IronM: congratulations for your reading ability. it only took you how many hours now to do it? |
| 13:16.37 | wols_ | !tell IronM about simple sid backport |
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| 13:18.01 | IronM | hmm @ wols_ *ggg* ... are you kidding ? ;-) .. I mean my reading ability *lol* |
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| 13:19.24 | IronM | thanks a lot wols_ ! :) |
| 13:21.10 | wols_ | no, sadly I am not kidding |
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| 13:21.50 | Cholito | I installed gnome with aptitude. Now, when I want to install any other software, aptitude wants to uninstall gnome again! And I have no idea why... |
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| 13:28.37 | alex_ | I have installed and mounted a new system on my usb drive, I have chroot into it and am about to install the kernel, so I start with writting the /etc/kernel-img.conf, I have two lines there that I am not sure |
| 13:28.52 | alex_ | postinst_hook=/sbin/update-grup |
| 13:29.16 | alex_ | appatently it the cmd is not installed, what package update-grub is part of ? |
| 13:29.51 | alex_ | postinst_hook=/sbin/update-grub |
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| 13:30.16 | alex_ | and postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub |
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| 13:32.27 | alex_ | what package is update-grub part of ? |
| 13:32.49 | alex_ | how do I use apt to search which package is in charge of that cmd ? |
| 13:32.52 | alex_ | anyone ? |
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| 13:33.28 | muhkuh | hi, could someone here help me figuring out a problem with postfix authentication? please query me |
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| 13:34.35 | cahoot | alex_: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grub-install&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 13:38.10 | Mateusz | Hi, how to set ntop in order to include more than one interface in reports ? |
| 13:38.36 | Mateusz | I was sth related to rdt-tools |
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| 13:39.24 | IronM | wols_: % Dunedan - I've installed cdebootstrap 0.3.15 (under sarge) and running dfsbuild -c ... again :) |
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| 13:39.37 | IronM | czesc mateusz ;-) |
| 13:39.48 | loswillios | hello. my system is now fully-utf8 compatible. I can write €µ@öäü (hope it works :) But how do I write special chars like 'copyright-sign' etc? |
| 13:40.03 | Mateusz | IronM Czesc |
| 13:40.14 | Mateusz | IronM Do you know a solution ? |
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| 13:40.28 | IronM | nie .. *sorry* @ Mateusz |
| 13:40.54 | IronM | what are rdt-tools at all ? @ Mateusz |
| 13:41.33 | Mateusz | IronM rrdtool |
| 13:41.49 | buggarage | loswillios: do type the octal rep or the unicode representations with a backslash /888 something like that of course it has to be in range of for example ascii if you want to have the ascii rep or unicode if you want uni rep |
| 13:42.10 | simonrvn | \ |
| 13:42.18 | simonrvn | ^^ backslash |
| 13:42.20 | buggarage | loswillios: for unicode u use somthing like \u or so |
| 13:42.23 | buggarage | oh sorry |
| 13:42.26 | buggarage | yes backslash |
| 13:42.28 | simonrvn | :) |
| 13:42.43 | buggarage | simonrvn: ty |
| 13:42.49 | simonrvn | np |
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| 13:42.57 | loswillios | aha... ok. I guess i have to find a table where the chars are explained |
| 13:42.58 | Eulex | loswillios, try altgr-c |
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| 13:43.22 | loswillios | Eulex: doesnt work |
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| 13:43.33 | cahoot | kb dependent |
| 13:43.44 | Eulex | yep. |
| 13:43.59 | simonrvn | can be set via xmodmap |
| 13:44.16 | loswillios | no X though |
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| 13:46.49 | liob | hi |
| 13:46.52 | liob | i have installed a cups server and it is working great. Even the automatic driver download works perfectly. There is only one goal left. If somebody on a windows box sends a job to cups (a postscript driver is installed on the windowsbox), cups only counts one dummy site as printed, because it doesn't know the actual size of the job in printed pages cause of the driver. I have read, that the cups team itself has written a new driver based upo |
| 13:47.18 | muhkuh | hi, could someone here help me figuring out a problem with postfix authentication? please query me |
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| 13:48.40 | cahoot | liob: using a raw printer on the cups server (for win clients)? |
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| 13:51.49 | liob | cahoot: I assume that a raw printer would be tha the clients have installed the original driver for that printer (in this case a HP LaserJet 1022) and send the already processed pages to the printer in its own language. Then no. The printer is installed with the correct driver in cups (printing works perfectly fine) and presented as postscript printer to others through samba. |
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| 13:57.19 | loswillios | buggarage: yay i got it working with vim |
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| 13:57.50 | loswillios | used this table http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Unicode/Table with CTRL-V u<hex> |
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| 14:01.24 | loswillios | wonder if its in irssi possible too |
| 14:01.51 | navaladi | hi all, I need urgent help on setting up Debian Linux on hda1..I installed sarge on hda1, so i can not Run Windows now,,because hd0,0 is ext partion..now windows is on hda11 |
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| 14:03.38 | bwalle | wli: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 14:03.39 | bwalle | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 14:03.41 | bwalle | any hints? |
| 14:05.14 | navaladi | pls help on fix.. |
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| 14:06.48 | wols_ | navaladi: I don't believe your windows is on hda11 now |
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| 14:08.51 | navaladi | wols_ : i installed it on hda11 sometimes b4..At that time hda1 had ntfs with free space, now i installed Debian on hda1, so i can not boot windows now, |
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| 14:09.41 | wols_ | there is no hda11. unless you have at least 10 other partitions on your harddisk, whihc I just don't believe |
| 14:10.40 | wols_ | so on which partition is your windows? |
| 14:10.44 | navaladi | wols_ : yes i had 10 par. |
| 14:10.52 | navaladi | it is in hda11 |
| 14:10.53 | loswillios | seems there's only a GTK-way for unicode :( http://www.pthree.org/2006/11/30/its-unicode-baby/ |
| 14:11.11 | wols_ | then edit your menu.lst and add windows, load it via chainloading |
| 14:11.16 | Arron | with apache2 server config file, how do i get the Authentication rules to apply to all sub directories (by having it global, not a .htaccess in every directory)? |
| 14:11.16 | wols_ | apt-getinstall grub-doc |
| 14:12.09 | navaladi | /dev/hda11 17964 19457 11999232 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 14:12.25 | navaladi | It hangs on boot |
| 14:12.55 | wols_ | what is your stanza for windows in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 14:14.09 | navaladi | title windows |
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| 14:14.09 | navaladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.09 | navaladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.09 | navaladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.09 | navaladi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.10 | holo | hi |
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| 14:14.21 | _eth0_ | hi holo |
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| 14:14.53 | navaladi | sorry guys, i must use pastebin.. |
| 14:15.01 | loswillios | ha! Got it working: Þ |
| 14:15.04 | wols_ | change your root line to the proper partition |
| 14:15.06 | loswillios | http://www.pthree.org/2006/08/11/screen-digraphs/ |
| 14:15.07 | holo | When i start dhcp server, it exits with no error.. how do i enable this to tell me where i messed up? |
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| 14:15.28 | wols_ | holo: looked into your syslog yet? |
| 14:15.51 | holo | wols_ you are terribly right :x |
| 14:15.53 | holo | i didn't |
| 14:15.54 | holo | brb |
| 14:16.27 | navaladi | wols_ : i tryied root (hd0,11)..when i boot windows manually ..it hangs |
| 14:16.43 | navaladi | wols_ : after giving boot command windows hangs with boot |
| 14:18.07 | wols_ | navaladi: ask windows people then. we don't run windows |
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| 14:19.03 | Eulex | loswillios, I can't figure out in what program ctrl-a ctrl-v works? |
| 14:19.32 | Eulex | ah. it said 'in screen'. nvm. |
| 14:19.32 | phated | screen(1) |
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| 14:22.26 | ex0s | any1 know if a promise fasttrack tx2000 works well in linux? |
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| 14:34.55 | rhalff | hi any suggestions for a good stress test application, that will test many different protocols ? |
| 14:35.21 | rhalff | kinda apachebench for many different protocols |
| 14:36.08 | rhalff | something to put a new server through before it goes live :) |
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| 14:38.58 | charasky | hi ZeeEyes |
| 14:39.01 | charasky | hi Zerial |
| 14:39.08 | Zerial | hi charasky =D |
| 14:39.20 | boodie | Hello there! I need some help with apache2 - can anyone advise me? |
| 14:40.13 | Zerial | what happens |
| 14:40.57 | charasky | nothing |
| 14:41.41 | charasky | Achille is spanish? |
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| 14:51.21 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:51.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:51.24 | boodie | Hey; aptitude downloaded the kernel 2.6.18 ... but it's warning me against removing 2.6.17 (potentially disastrous) - what should I do? |
| 14:51.38 | abrotman | don't remove it yet |
| 14:51.53 | dvs | boodie: reboot then remove it. |
| 14:51.59 | Supaplex | make sure everything works after booting to the new one first |
| 14:52.06 | dvs | boodie: but I'd keep both kernels around personally. |
| 14:52.27 | Supaplex | nothing wrong with keeping a few around :) |
| 14:52.52 | xingu | # du -sk /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 14:52.53 | xingu | 61045 /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 14:52.57 | xingu | no, nothing at all |
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| 14:53.34 | xingu | not that I use it, but is there a reason why aptitude seems to be erring on the side of the pathalogical? |
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| 14:54.19 | Supaplex | serial killers work best that way. elaborate xingu. |
| 14:54.35 | xingu | deinstalling kernels, deinstalling gdm... |
| 14:55.32 | Supaplex | what do you find odd about it, and what do you expect instead? |
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| 14:55.58 | boodie | Ok but how can I install the new kernel without wiping out the old one? |
| 14:56.25 | mulet | hi, could anybody tell me how i can install ESP-ghostscript on a sarge, or at least how could i watch the available pkgs list ? |
| 14:56.28 | tralala | boodie, uhm... apt-get install new-kernel |
| 14:56.36 | esteel | boodie: just apt-get install the new kernel? |
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| 14:56.46 | tralala | where new-kernel is the actual package name |
| 14:57.11 | tralala | mulet, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:57.23 | Supaplex | boodie: you're not trying to (re)install the same release you're running now right? |
| 14:57.49 | boodie | I mean, aptitude wants to remove the old beast, but then it immediately warns that removing a running kernel is potentially disastrous to |
| 14:58.12 | mulet | tralala, ok, thx, i will investigate that way |
| 14:58.23 | tralala | mulet, you're welcome |
| 14:59.00 | tralala | boodie, why would aptitude want to remove the old one? |
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| 14:59.13 | Yunhual | hi, why gcc has a spec file |
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| 14:59.34 | Renfield | Does anyone know how to change the UI font in firefox? |
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| 15:00.05 | tralala | Renfield, try about:config |
| 15:00.07 | Yunhual | i means the functionary of spec file for gcc |
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| 15:00.22 | Renfield | tralala: I did. Didn't find anything special. |
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| 15:00.42 | tralala | Renfield, nothing in google as well? |
| 15:00.52 | Renfield | tralala: Not so far. |
| 15:00.58 | mulet | tralala, so i was searching for the gs-esp package in fact =) |
| 15:01.17 | boodie | tralala: because "linux-image-2.6.17-2-amd64 has been installed automatically : it will be removed since all packagesdepending upon it are going to be removed" |
| 15:01.26 | tralala | mulet, good, so now you know how to find packages in debian :) |
| 15:01.30 | boodie | so it says |
| 15:01.33 | xingu | and that is precisely what troubles me |
| 15:01.52 | xingu | conflating package usage with package dependancy is a bad bad thing |
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| 15:02.40 | xingu | sure, retire something which is not in use by all means; but only because it is not in use, not because it has no children |
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| 15:03.03 | tralala | boodie, I see. Probably you have installed linux-image-2.6 and now it considers 2.6.18 as an upgrade of this one. Tell it to install linux-image-2.6.17-2-amd64 at the same time and it won't try to remove it. |
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| 15:04.04 | rBo3Db | i'm trying to source compile the "worker" file manager under sarge.... after issuing `make' i receive this: `message.h:27:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory.' |
| 15:04.32 | rBo3Db | i never source compile usually... maybe i lack some packages? |
| 15:04.51 | Supaplex | rBo3Db: install apt-file and search for a package containing the missing file. are you compiling this as a package? |
| 15:05.05 | tralala | rBo3Db, install xlibs-deb |
| 15:05.08 | tralala | dev |
| 15:05.19 | rBo3Db | i am compiling this just to use "worker" |
| 15:05.31 | rBo3Db | thanks, folks' |
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| 15:06.11 | rBo3Db | "compiling this as a package"... sorry, i don't understand this expression |
| 15:06.16 | tralala | rBo3Db, btw you can take worker from backports |
| 15:06.23 | boodie | tralala: I did - it seems ok, but rebooting will be the moment of the truth - I will say my prayers, sacrifice a goat to the gods and hopefully be beck |
| 15:06.26 | tralala | rBo3Db, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 15:06.34 | Supaplex | rBo3Db: as in apt-get source foo |
| 15:06.51 | xingu | worker is already in sarge |
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| 15:07.04 | rBo3Db | tralala: the one that will be in etch still lacks utf8 supports, to the best of my knowledge |
| 15:07.28 | lastnode | can someone running etch here do me a big favour? |
| 15:07.43 | tralala | right it's in sarge not backports |
| 15:07.48 | muhkuh | what would that be lastnode? |
| 15:07.52 | Supaplex | read your mind? - no go. |
| 15:07.55 | boodie | lastnode: i'm on etch |
| 15:07.57 | tralala | rBo3Db, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:08.09 | lastnode | muhkuh, boodie , could you guys apt-get install canoe and execute it, see if it runs? |
| 15:09.34 | abrotman | seems to work fine |
| 15:09.53 | lastnode | abrotman, thanks. all the way through to submit? |
| 15:09.57 | muhkuh | lastnode, i dont have a package called canoe |
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| 15:10.03 | abrotman | i didn't submit .. since i didn't actually fill anything out .. but it runs |
| 15:10.14 | lastnode | muhkuh, apt-get update, i think it was synced recently from sid -> etch |
| 15:10.22 | muhkuh | oh |
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| 15:11.41 | muhkuh | there it is ... |
| 15:12.00 | boodie | lastnode: apparently yes - perfectly |
| 15:12.19 | muhkuh | so i dont have to test too - working ... |
| 15:12.22 | lastnode | boodie, thank you. |
| 15:12.25 | lastnode | thanks muhkuh :-) |
| 15:12.29 | muhkuh | np |
| 15:14.00 | pumpkin0 | is there a way to defrag a ext3-partition besides backing up the data, formating and coping back ? The fs got filled up several times. It is way slower then another partition on the same disc... i hope it´s only fragmentation |
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| 15:14.33 | Eulex | pumpkin0, creating some free space on it? |
| 15:14.36 | Supaplex | !defrag |
| 15:14.37 | dpkg | defrag is probably generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html |
| 15:15.08 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: it has 8 GB free now (22GB in total) |
| 15:15.34 | Eulex | pumpkin0, ok. should defragment itself then if you just give it some time. |
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| 15:17.45 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: ehm... ? There are 10 GB of data that will never be changed (in the next months). 500MB are dumped onto the disc every 2 hours (and removed 8 hours latter). |
| 15:18.29 | Eulex | pumpkin0, if possibly, you could unmount and mount it, as I think it actually does some defragmenting when mounting |
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| 15:19.14 | pumpkin0 | Eulex: you sure ? There´s barely any disc acitivty at mount/unmount... |
| 15:19.17 | rBo3Db | thanks, folks, the "worker" supports cyrillic characters now... |
| 15:19.41 | Eulex | pumpkin0, I might very well recall wrong. |
| 15:19.43 | wols_ | pumpkin0: defrag |
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| 15:20.37 | wols_ | and: *nix systems usually only start fragmentating when more than 85% full and/or you do lots of torrenting with sparse files on that partition |
| 15:21.26 | pumpkin0 | wols_: It was 95% full during months and a lot of small files that grow latter were used... |
| 15:21.31 | xingu | pumpkin0: how about some hard metrics; what does e2fsck -nv /dev/${blkdev} say ? |
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| 15:22.07 | xingu | pumpkin0: there's plenty of urban legends in google's cache about what ufs-like filesystems will and will not do under that kind of stress; personally, I prefer hard data |
| 15:22.18 | pumpkin0 | wols_: so the way to go is: strip the journal and turn it ext2, use defrag, recreate the journal. |
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| 15:22.32 | pumpkin0 | xingu: 25% fragmentation ... |
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| 15:23.05 | xingu | pumpkin0: time for apt-get install defrag. |
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| 15:23.14 | infernix | pumpkin0: you could opt for XFS |
| 15:23.53 | pumpkin0 | infernix: if i could transfer the data from the datacenter to another disc and repartition that bloody thing ... |
| 15:23.57 | infernix | XFS, afaik, will overwrite previousy deleted data ASAP |
| 15:23.57 | xingu | pumpkin0: usually the worst offender is that the block allocation strategies go apeshit at about the 94-96% mark |
| 15:24.22 | xingu | pumpkin0: another good reason to believe and react to the idea that a volume is full at 90% allocated |
| 15:24.51 | wols_ | xingu: dunno about your disks, but mine _always_ get full, no matter the disk size |
| 15:25.05 | pumpkin0 | xingu: this morning it was filled to the last bit. |
| 15:26.05 | xingu | pumpkin0: there's three things that will reduce your fragmentation levels; removing the files that are fragmented, a tool like defrag, or newfs and restore. |
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| 15:26.42 | xingu | pumpkin0: you're already up for creating a coherent (trustworthy) backup image, whichever you choose |
| 15:27.10 | pumpkin0 | what is faster: dumping 8100 files (about 250MB) or creating a tar and dump that one ? I guess the tar-way is faster... the files come from a ramfs, no problem with speed there. |
| 15:27.45 | asg | pumpkin0: some have claimed that rsync is faster; can't remember who though off the top of my head. |
| 15:27.58 | pumpkin0 | xingu: that are temp-files, i don´t need backup. I just don´t want to remove them during normal operations... |
| 15:28.46 | xingu | pumpkin0: sounds like you need a bigger spindle too for a full solution |
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| 15:29.01 | pumpkin0 | asg: how can rsync be faster then you cp files ... ? |
| 15:29.03 | xingu | pumpkin0: otherwise the fault will resurface during normal load |
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| 15:30.08 | pumpkin0 | xingu: it´s the usual problem: no budget to replace that disc until it dies. Looking at the smart-values i would say another year or so ... |
| 15:30.11 | xingu | pumpkin0: the advantage rsync has is that it's restartable |
| 15:30.25 | asg | pumpkin0: some odd buffering tweaks iirc. It was some years back so I could be wrong. |
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| 15:30.40 | xingu | pumpkin0: if the block level delta between iterations is less than the dataset size then it's a net win. |
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| 15:31.37 | pumpkin0 | xingu: if that transfer stops the ramfs is gone. ... these are bin-logs, consider them to contain random data. |
| 15:32.10 | pumpkin0 | xingu: new random data every time. So rsync is out. cp or tar ? |
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| 15:32.30 | Zap-W | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:32.46 | blondie | what? |
| 15:33.02 | xingu | pumpkin0: cp -a works rather well in most userlands |
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| 15:33.45 | xingu | pumpkin0: what's the outcome? do you want a single snapshot file containing the set, or, discrete files? running tar *twice* is not a net win |
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| 15:34.16 | xingu | pumpkin0: neither is running tar once and then copying the result |
| 15:34.49 | xingu | pumpkin0: running tar once and writing out to the destination may be equivalent |
| 15:35.33 | pumpkin0 | xingu: testing .... writing 8000 small files faster then writing 250 MB on-block. Much faster. The set is copied over later to another box (not-my-problem situtation) and put into a DB. |
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| 15:37.30 | xingu | pumpkin0: *nod*; have you considered adding some mkfs magic in just before starting the writeout of the single 250mb chunk? |
| 15:37.33 | Zap-W | in pam manual it says "required" means must pass, and keep testing even if fails, what's the point of keep testing if it's required |
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| 15:37.45 | xingu | pumpkin0: crude, but often the desired semantic |
| 15:37.50 | pumpkin0 | xingu: nope. Any hints... ? |
| 15:38.01 | xingu | pumpkin0: recreate the target filesystem before writing to it |
| 15:38.07 | xingu | pumpkin0: ... every time through. |
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| 15:38.39 | pumpkin0 | xingu: no go. The partition has 3-4 sets on it all the time. |
| 15:39.16 | xingu | pumpkin0: redo the layout and allocate one partition per dataset might be an idea |
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| 15:39.27 | secher | Ok, so I filed a bug against phpgroupware in unstable. after a week or so, and some wrangling between developers, I get a mail saying it's been closed because the conflict is fixed in the next version, which is due out... So is that bug fixed in the eyes of Debian, or not? |
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| 15:39.54 | xingu | pumpkin0: just out of interest are any of the source files sparse? |
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| 15:40.02 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i would love to but i cannot repartition that thing right now. Later this evening, after the system goes offline... |
| 15:40.07 | pumpkin0 | xingu: nope. |
| 15:40.39 | infernix | secher: next version of the debian package or next upstream version? |
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| 15:40.48 | xingu | pumpkin0: about the only thing it comes back to then is fragmentation and tar blocking factor |
| 15:40.58 | secher | infernix: next upstream version. |
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| 15:41.25 | pumpkin0 | xingu: tested on the still fragmented system: cp = 12s, tar = 6s. That is a GOOD start. |
| 15:41.43 | earthian | hello. can somebody tell me why rm -rv ./* promts me on deleting each file/directory etc?? |
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| 15:41.54 | xingu | pumpkin0: and if the dataset is 8k files at <10KiB average then it's likely as not fragmentation if cp is faster. |
| 15:42.00 | earthian | i am not using -i :( |
| 15:42.07 | pumpkin0 | earthian: try "-rf" If aou are REALY, REALY sure. |
| 15:42.14 | infernix | secher: well i guess it's either not worth the effort to patch the current version (too complex patching) or it's a waste of time since a new version is due out shortly. in theory it should be filed as closed when the new release is uploaded to sid. |
| 15:42.35 | xingu | pumpkin0: the other thing that may be interesting to benchmark is "-f foofile.tar" vs "-f - >foofile.tar" |
| 15:42.35 | earthian | -rf does not asks me.. and does not show what is happening.. i want to see what files are being deleted |
| 15:42.49 | infernix | -rfv |
| 15:43.10 | xingu | pumpkin0: if tar is being particularly unclever it may chow down 250MiB worth of working set while creating the tarfile with the former |
| 15:43.10 | earthian | pumpkin0, i get something like this: |
| 15:43.11 | earthian | fostral:/debs# rm -vr ./* |
| 15:43.11 | earthian | rm: descend into directory `./src'? |
| 15:43.15 | blondie | argh |
| 15:43.17 | earthian | heh |
| 15:43.17 | secher | infernix: bug #40105, fyi Precisely, as I'd thought, but then the bug ought to still be opened for testing tho, afaik. Dunno, just seemed wierd. |
| 15:43.20 | infernix | earthian: use -rfv |
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| 15:43.25 | earthian | will try. thanks |
| 15:43.31 | xingu | pumpkin0: ... causing paging; the way to spot that would be using iostat while it went about its business |
| 15:43.34 | secher | infernix: sorry 401045 |
| 15:43.42 | infernix | earthian: r for recursive, v for verbose, f for force (don't ask) |
| 15:44.08 | xingu | pumpkin0: glibc's stdio on the other hand is actually quite good, providing the application doesn't go crazy with fsync |
| 15:44.17 | infernix | secher: well for testing, if there's no RC bugs in sid it'll be in testing in no-time anyway |
| 15:44.18 | earthian | ok ok.. but why without f it becomes interactive? :( |
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| 15:44.46 | secher | infernix: ok, np. |
| 15:44.49 | infernix | earthian: it's supposed to, or you have an alias for rf. run 'alias' |
| 15:44.54 | secher | infernix: thanks. |
| 15:45.35 | infernix | earthian: -i is the interactive flag so perhaps you've aliased rm to rm -i |
| 15:45.46 | earthian | yea... :o |
| 15:45.48 | earthian | wight |
| 15:45.51 | earthian | right* |
| 15:45.56 | earthian | noob me... |
| 15:45.59 | earthian | :) |
| 15:46.00 | earthian | thanks |
| 15:46.02 | xingu | pumpkin0: but yes, from what's been said so far; next-steps are probably repartition - this will firstly bound fragmentation within a given dataset and secondly expose an opportunity to drop a whole filesystem if the allocator and your avialable capacity disagree |
| 15:46.37 | xingu | pumpkin0: then, benchmark tar ... -f dataset.tar vs tar -f - >dataset.tar while running an iostat 1 |
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| 15:46.52 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i´m testing a bit now. Thanks a lot for your sugestions. (so far no swaping ...) |
| 15:46.56 | xingu | pumpkin0: that should highlight known and unknown unknowns |
| 15:47.14 | infernix | pumpkin0: you could perhaps just make a file inside the ext3 partition and store that 500MB of changing data in there |
| 15:47.33 | infernix | e.g. mount -o loop |
| 15:47.59 | pumpkin0 | infernix: a loop-back ? nah, the data-size varies a bit and may become really big for some sets. |
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| 15:48.06 | xingu | infernix: that becomes unstable; if the underlying fs gets fragmented you have a perfect worst-case of allocations in a fragmented filesystem, within a fragmented filesystem |
| 15:48.44 | infernix | xingu: true but when defragmented, if you create the file (not sparse of course), it shouldn't fragment, right? |
| 15:48.45 | xingu | infernix: if you model that for various values of the stressors you'll get wildly differnent outcomes |
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| 15:48.52 | unseensoul | hi |
| 15:49.07 | xingu | infernix: ideally; but it's not something I'd bet the business on, and pumpkin0's cheapskate employer evidently is. :) |
| 15:49.14 | infernix | heh |
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| 15:49.45 | barosl | hey. i deleted /var/lib/dpkg/status accidentally. |
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| 15:49.52 | barosl | what should i do? |
| 15:51.32 | pumpkin0 | xingu, infernix: how do i tell linux to forget about the filecache ... ? |
| 15:52.41 | xingu | pumpkin0: welcome to something linux doesn't do well; it can be done, but not with shell tools. |
| 15:52.53 | xingu | pumpkin0: just out of interest is the source filesystem mounted noatime? |
| 15:53.19 | pumpkin0 | xingu: f**k. Now the disc reads 250MB in under 1s... yes, it is. |
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| 15:53.48 | xingu | good. :) |
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| 15:55.51 | xingu | pumpkin0: the current state of the art is to accept the love that dirtying/flushing vfs cache will bring and control the outcome of that by choosing cfq ioscheduler or whatever fits your workload |
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| 15:56.10 | xingu | pumpkin0: your io path will still go cherry red but if the scheduler is doing its job then it won't matter so much. |
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| 15:57.22 | xingu | pumpkin0: ideally, it'd be nice if one could pass a hint with a nice-like tool that the output was transient but... there ain't such an animal |
| 15:57.39 | xingu | pumpkin0: the closest to that you get is probably to lose the idea of filesystems completely and use tar to write to the block device |
| 15:58.33 | tuxish | using debian sarge. how can i run php from the command line? i can't seem to find the binary and it's not in the path but php is parsing files with apache |
| 15:58.39 | asg | tuxish: install php4-cgi |
| 15:58.44 | xingu | pumpkin0: that won't be a net win at the other end of the business though (when it's time to reread and transfer) |
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| 15:59.18 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i´m glat i cannot hear/see that disc right now. Dropping the partition now is a bad idea... oh, well. I will wait for the system to go offline and change/benchmark then. Thanks a lot. |
| 15:59.37 | xingu | :) |
| 15:59.53 | xingu | pumpkin0: what ioscheduler are you using just out of interest? |
| 16:00.22 | pumpkin0 | xingu: no idea. I didn´t setup this thing... |
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| 16:00.52 | xingu | pumpkin0: sys/block/hda/queue/scheduler |
| 16:01.16 | pumpkin0 | xingu: "noop [anticipatory]" |
| 16:01.34 | tuxish | asg: doesn't work |
| 16:01.53 | asg | tuxish: doesn't work in what way? |
| 16:02.10 | tuxish | i need to be able to run php from the shell |
| 16:02.17 | asg | tuxish: dpkg -L php4-cgi |
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| 16:02.23 | asg | tuxish: should provide /usr/bin/php4 |
| 16:02.44 | xingu | pumpkin0: suboptimal, probably; CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y |
| 16:03.02 | Zerial | tuxish, php cli |
| 16:03.05 | Zerial | php5-cli - command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language |
| 16:03.07 | xingu | pumpkin0: that will manifest as high io wait times when contention exists |
| 16:03.09 | RvGaTe | Is there a .deb package or repository for nvidia-glx version 1.0.9xxxx (Debian etch) ? |
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| 16:04.09 | tuxish | asg: doesn't provide /usr/bin/php4 but does provide /usr/bin/php4-cgi which seems to do something different |
| 16:04.20 | Zap-W | /dev/random "blocks when entropy pool exhausted" - what does it mean? |
| 16:04.29 | asg | tuxish: yes, my mistake. try php4-cli |
| 16:04.33 | tuxish | Zerial: php5-cli seems to work =] |
| 16:05.20 | Zerial | =) |
| 16:06.09 | Eulex | Zap-W, /dev/random generates very high quality random data; in turn, it needs io activitity to do so, as it generates the random data from there. io activity adds to the entropy pool, using /dev/random makes the entropy pool smaller, eventually extinguishing it. |
| 16:06.15 | asg | Zap-W: it means that if there isn't enough randomness, processes reading from /dev/random will hang waiting for randomness to arrive. |
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| 16:07.28 | Zap-W | and /dev/urandom ? |
| 16:07.51 | SNow | hey, with what I could undetele files in linux with ext3?? |
| 16:07.55 | SNow | is there any utillity ? |
| 16:08.02 | wols_ | SNow: no there is not |
| 16:08.10 | SNow | so I'm done? |
| 16:08.19 | wols_ | for ext2: yes |
| 16:08.19 | asg | SNow: not easily. It's not impossible but very hard and not guaranteed. |
| 16:08.28 | asg | SNow: restore from backups is my recommendation |
| 16:08.28 | Eulex | SNow, apt-cache search undelete |
| 16:08.37 | wols_ | !undelete |
| 16:08.37 | dpkg | i guess undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 16:08.39 | SNow | asg I didn't do backups... |
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| 16:08.54 | wols_ | but as the factoid says: not possible with journalled fs. which ext3 is |
| 16:09.25 | SNow | so no way? |
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| 16:09.41 | wols_ | can't you read? |
| 16:09.42 | earthian | poor SNow |
| 16:09.43 | earthian | :/ |
| 16:09.55 | SNow | ;/ |
| 16:09.59 | SNow | oh my gosh.. |
| 16:10.10 | SNow | so what's the point using that shitty ext3 then |
| 16:10.26 | earthian | good question :S |
| 16:10.26 | LnxSlck | hi guys, can someone help me share a virtual (pdf) printer with window clients ? |
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| 16:10.41 | wols_ | so that people like you can pose stupid questions and rant against it |
| 16:10.42 | earthian | !ext3 |
| 16:10.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about "ext2->ext3", "xfs" and "ricerfs". |
| 16:10.57 | SNow | aren't there any utils and so on for ext3 why is that |
| 16:11.06 | asg | SNow: the better question to ask is why you deleted something you needed and then also why you didn't have backups |
| 16:11.10 | LnxSlck | ext4 is almost here no ? |
| 16:11.23 | SNow | asq some idiots did that, not me |
| 16:11.23 | wols_ | LnxSlck: it already is here (kernel 2.6.19) |
| 16:11.25 | codingheaven | hi there |
| 16:11.37 | LnxSlck | ok |
| 16:11.42 | SNow | asg and because of backups i'm totally forgotten to do that |
| 16:11.45 | codingheaven | someone can help on linux virtual server? |
| 16:11.47 | wols_ | SNow: if you are the admin but have no backups, guess who the incompetent idiot is? |
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| 16:12.03 | LnxSlck | wols_: does it bring journaling ? |
| 16:12.07 | asg | SNow: if you are supporting systems for idiots, then backups are a must. You might also look at the LD_PRELOAD hacks for overriding the unlink() syscalls to provide a 'Recycle Bin' type of functionality. |
| 16:12.21 | LnxSlck | codingheaven: don't they help you on portugal servers ? |
| 16:12.33 | codingheaven | i have lvs-nat ..but things dont work |
| 16:12.35 | wols_ | since ext4 is a continuation of ext3 and ext3 already has journalling, just think very hard about it |
| 16:12.47 | codingheaven | LnxSlck, eheh..think not |
| 16:12.50 | codingheaven | =) |
| 16:12.58 | LnxSlck | codingheaven :lol |
| 16:13.10 | wols_ | codingheaven: "don't work" is not a good error description. try again |
| 16:13.18 | wols_ | !lol |
| 16:13.18 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 16:13.44 | earthian | rofl at dpkg :D |
| 16:13.56 | codingheaven | wols_, the error is..not working ...it does not give an error |
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| 16:14.05 | wols_ | dear god: please make sunday go away fast. please |
| 16:14.14 | codingheaven | lol |
| 16:14.19 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 16:14.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:14.23 | earthian | wols_, god is not here today :/ |
| 16:14.37 | wols_ | earthian: yes, but unfortunately people like you are |
| 16:14.50 | earthian | :) |
| 16:14.55 | SmaaKage | hello...what other good bnc server is there than psybnc ? |
| 16:14.58 | earthian | thanks i will leave now. ;) |
| 16:15.12 | wols_ | SmaaKage: you could use irssi |
| 16:15.20 | Grub_Now | lol |
| 16:15.35 | wols_ | earthian: empty promises? |
| 16:15.40 | codingheaven | wols_, if you dont know to help..why bother ?? |
| 16:15.41 | Grub_Now | wols_: irssi is a irc client |
| 16:15.49 | Grub_Now | not a bnc server |
| 16:16.17 | wols_ | it being a irc client doesn't prevent it to work as a irc proxy, now does it? |
| 16:16.32 | wols_ | codingheaven: if you are unable to ask a proper question anyone could answer, why bother coming here? |
| 16:18.04 | codingheaven | wols_, i think my question is very understandble ..what word of the phrase "someone can help on linux virtual server?" you dont understand ? |
| 16:18.15 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 16:18.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:18.20 | Grub_Now | what doesnt work? |
| 16:18.31 | craigevil | help is rather broad term , what exactly do you need help with |
| 16:18.38 | Grub_Now | yeah |
| 16:19.03 | wols_ | craigevil: he obviously needs help with asking questions. |
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| 16:19.04 | codingheaven | lvs-nat for the start |
| 16:19.20 | codingheaven | the load balancer does do the job |
| 16:19.33 | codingheaven | for example i have this on ipvsadm |
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| 16:19.57 | codingheaven | TCP 192.168.1.1:80 rr |
| 16:19.57 | codingheaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.57 | codingheaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.57 | codingheaven | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.23 | codingheaven | shit |
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| 16:20.36 | Grub_Now | pastebin.ca |
| 16:20.50 | codingheaven | TCP 192.168.1.1:80 rr |
| 16:21.00 | ma3x | how do I check the version of a compiled installed version of mplayerplugin? |
| 16:21.00 | wols_ | haven't you learnt about pasting yet? |
| 16:21.09 | codingheaven | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.10 | wols_ | ma3x: dpkg -l |
| 16:21.13 | kewlzero3 | oh someone with lvs |
| 16:21.17 | Grub_Now | codingheaven: use pastebin.ca |
| 16:21.23 | ma3x | wols_: I said compiled installed, not as package |
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| 16:21.37 | wols_ | ma3x: not a debian question. ask elsewhere then |
| 16:21.46 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, whats your problem with lvs? |
| 16:21.53 | wols_ | since you compiled it yourself, only you can know what version you compiled |
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| 16:22.13 | wols_ | or if you didn't compile it yourself, ask the guy who did |
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| 16:23.05 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, does not work ..from internet..only handle it to work on local lan |
| 16:23.12 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone help me out with cups ? |
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| 16:23.39 | asg | Yggdrasil: /msg dpkg cups |
| 16:23.50 | Yggdrasil | asg thanks |
| 16:24.01 | kewlzero3 | a firewall, dns problem? |
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| 16:24.41 | SmaaKage | no one know other bnc ? |
| 16:25.02 | Yggdrasil | asg, im trying to set up a cups printserver, i just c ant connect any clients to it for some reason. |
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| 16:25.33 | asg | Yggdrasil: it listens on localhost by default; check the config and make it listen on other interfaces |
| 16:26.17 | codingheaven | people that want to help, please check out |
| 16:26.19 | Yggdrasil | asg i just dont know , what the url for the clients is. the ipp url i assume ? |
| 16:26.19 | codingheaven | http://pastebin.ca/274284 |
| 16:27.13 | asg | Yggdrasil: ipp://ip.of.your.system. Look at /etc/cups/cupsd.conf for the 'Listen' directive. |
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| 16:27.20 | codingheaven | Yggdrasil, first..do you have cupsd running ? |
| 16:27.26 | Yggdrasil | yes |
| 16:27.31 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, i quess you should use dr not nat |
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| 16:27.45 | rookmoot | hi |
| 16:27.58 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, ipvsadm with -g would do the job |
| 16:28.00 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, i think is more dificult |
| 16:28.04 | rookmoot | no one got an libc6 error using debian/unstable an recent upgrade ? |
| 16:28.12 | asg | rookmoot: the bts would know |
| 16:28.15 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, but i tried just that..did not work |
| 16:28.16 | pumpkin0 | where can i get a staticly linked "tar" ? I need a bin that works even if some libs are missing. thanks. |
| 16:28.26 | Yggdrasil | codingheaven i have it running on the server and the client, i can print fine from the server.(the computer the printers hooked up to) i just dont know what to put under url when i add printer on the client |
| 16:28.31 | rookmoot | asg, what means bts ? |
| 16:28.36 | wols_ | !bts |
| 16:28.36 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:28.38 | asg | rookmoot: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 16:28.44 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, is a private lan..the ips of the real servers must be on outside net |
| 16:28.50 | rookmoot | asg, ok thx |
| 16:28.57 | xingu | pumpkin0: apt-source it and rebuild as -static |
| 16:29.15 | asg | pumpkin0: try the busybox-static package for a whole host of tools compiled as a single binary |
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| 16:29.29 | wols_ | pumpkin0: use busybox |
| 16:29.49 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, pehraps the problem is something simple..is missing |
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| 16:30.09 | codingheaven | the hosts all have debian sarge |
| 16:30.19 | pumpkin0 | asg: yepp, that´s the way to go. |
| 16:30.20 | cga | hi all =) |
| 16:30.25 | pumpkin0 | asg: thanks. |
| 16:30.29 | asg | pumpkin0: you're welcome |
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| 16:32.14 | rookmoot | asg, found nothing about it |
| 16:32.20 | rookmoot | and i got some other bugs from it |
| 16:32.22 | rookmoot | like this |
| 16:32.24 | rookmoot | rookmoot @ 17:32:09 ( pops_eet ) $ su |
| 16:32.24 | rookmoot | Password: |
| 16:32.24 | rookmoot | /usr/bin/perl: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
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| 16:32.35 | rookmoot | arf... sorry |
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| 16:34.21 | director | whats the best file system? |
| 16:34.46 | rookmoot | ext3 certanly |
| 16:34.49 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, http://pastebin.ca/274291 |
| 16:35.13 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, what is your cluster configuration? |
| 16:35.35 | codingheaven | if you have one :) |
| 16:35.35 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, -A -t 192.168.1.1:80 -s wlc |
| 16:35.46 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, -a -t 192.168.1.1:80 -r 192.168.10.71:80 -m -w 1 |
| 16:35.46 | director | ext3 is better than ntfs ? |
| 16:35.58 | blondie | what kind of question is that?> |
| 16:36.07 | pumpkin0 | director: yes |
| 16:36.12 | blondie | if you're using linux, there is no choice between ntfs and ext3 |
| 16:36.22 | xingu | !best |
| 16:36.22 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:36.27 | director | justify it |
| 16:36.30 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, -m ? |
| 16:36.31 | director | justify my love |
| 16:36.46 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, you using the nat too |
| 16:36.52 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, japs |
| 16:37.26 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, hm..but what your cluster net config ? |
| 16:37.35 | kewlzero3 | but your nodes are all in the same net |
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| 16:38.10 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, ya..the balancer has too interfaces eth0 and eth0:0 V |
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| 16:38.19 | codingheaven | all in the same net.. |
| 16:38.31 | codingheaven | i dont know if is that the problem |
| 16:38.51 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, than you shoul use -g (not -m) i guess... |
| 16:39.04 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, i'm not the lvs expert.. :( |
| 16:39.08 | codingheaven | why? |
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| 16:39.43 | ex0s | any1 know if a promise fasttrack tx2000 works well in linux? |
| 16:39.49 | codingheaven | the packet go to real servers ..true..but ..and the return..? |
| 16:40.51 | codingheaven | behind the lan is a router..i think that is the prob |
| 16:40.51 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, they return through the lvs server |
| 16:41.12 | kewlzero3 | codingheaven, all the real servers should use the lvs server as the default gateway |
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| 16:41.23 | ma3x | what's the development files package for mozilla/firefox? |
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| 16:42.16 | director | which package manager is best |
| 16:42.24 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, isnt that for nat mode ? |
| 16:42.31 | valdyn | director: quit asking what's best |
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| 16:42.40 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, i read that on docs |
| 16:42.47 | rookmoot | their's no best under linux |
| 16:42.54 | rookmoot | their's some differences |
| 16:42.56 | rookmoot | that's all ;) |
| 16:43.06 | director | valdyn you are mediocre |
| 16:43.08 | ma3x | hellooooo |
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| 16:43.32 | valdyn | ma3x: to develop what? |
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| 16:43.48 | ma3x | valdyn: firefox/mozilla |
| 16:43.51 | rookmoot | i got a very ugly problem with libc6 and my debian is broken... i found nothing on the bts |
| 16:44.14 | valdyn | ma3x: get the source code and hack it.. |
| 16:44.29 | boodi1 | I found aptitude the best |
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| 16:45.09 | rookmoot | aptitude is just a gpkg frontend as apt is |
| 16:45.20 | rookmoot | s/gpkg/dpkg |
| 16:45.28 | ma3x | valdyn: what are you talking about? I'm trying to configure mplayerplug-in and it says configure: error: Unable to find mozilla or firefox development files |
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| 16:45.54 | valdyn | ma3x: what's wrong with the mplayerplug-in debian package? |
| 16:46.07 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-get build-dep mplayerplug-in |
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| 16:46.59 | ma3x | valdyn: I didn't find it -> apt-cache find mplayerplug-in doesn't display it |
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| 16:47.36 | valdyn | ma3x: ah, the package is mozilla-mplayer |
| 16:47.59 | ma3x | valdyn: yes, and I don't want that package. I want to build mplayerplug-in from source |
| 16:48.12 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-get build-dep mozilla-mplayer |
| 16:48.22 | ma3x | yes, I'm trying that now ..... |
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| 16:49.58 | ma3x | valdyn: that worked! thanks.. |
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| 16:54.04 | codingheaven | kewlzero3, put dr again..does not work..and with gw de VIP ..even less on local lan |
| 16:54.48 | blondie | does apt keep a copy of packages that have been installed, and if so can I clear it out to free up disk space |
| 16:54.51 | blondie | ? |
| 16:55.02 | xingu | blondie: apt-get autoclean |
| 16:55.22 | codingheaven | i dont know what may be doing wrong..the ipvs config is ok i think |
| 16:55.57 | Renfield | Anyone familiar with suspend2? |
| 16:56.40 | Renfield | Does it come with the kernel source, or do I need the patch? |
| 16:57.05 | codingheaven | anyone can help with this issue ? |
| 16:57.30 | wols_ | blondie: apt-get clean |
| 16:57.46 | blondie | thanks... only 246MB free :( |
| 16:57.51 | blondie | *236 |
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| 16:58.08 | infernix | Renfield: you need to patch |
| 16:58.11 | blondie | that's what I get for installing onto a USB stick I guess |
| 16:58.19 | blondie | maybe I need a bigger one |
| 16:58.28 | fisxoj | hello |
| 16:58.38 | infernix | Renfield: it's not in stock kernels, and I don't think debian kernels have it. it works great on my laptop though, been using it for months |
| 16:58.43 | wols_ | or you need to install less shit :) |
| 16:58.53 | Renfield | infernix: Cool, thanks. |
| 16:59.09 | xingu | whatever is in the stock kernels works fine here |
| 16:59.12 | fisxoj | I need help getting OOo to stop trying to recover a file I deleted... It tries to recover the file every time the program starts, and the file no longer exists.. |
| 17:02.51 | infernix | suspend2 has some very nice features over swsusp and even uswsusp |
| 17:02.58 | earthian | how do i switch to another kernel which i just installed without a reboot? is there a way to do it? |
| 17:03.04 | blondie | no there is not |
| 17:03.19 | blondie | you have to reboot |
| 17:03.23 | infernix | namely storing the active memory in swap space, or a file |
| 17:03.25 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 17:03.34 | xingu | earthian: kexec |
| 17:04.20 | blondie | hm |
| 17:05.06 | xingu | infernix: not sure how that differs from what I have here with a zero effort stock kernel and debian userland; uswsusp saves the running image to swapfile and the initrd restores it |
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| 17:05.13 | rookmoot | hm |
| 17:05.18 | rookmoot | libc totaly fucked |
| 17:05.20 | xingu | infernix: net effect is hibernate does what it's supposed to and it all just works |
| 17:05.27 | sandman | In aptitude I see this: i A modconf 0.3.0 0.3.1 |
| 17:05.29 | rookmoot | time to install a distribution |
| 17:05.38 | sandman | What does the "A" mean? I see it only next to certain packages. |
| 17:05.46 | infernix | xingu: oh well. i just recall that back in the day I installed it on my laptop, that wasn't really working well for me :) |
| 17:05.50 | rookmoot | make sure the libc6 sid package is correct |
| 17:05.56 | rookmoot | i got trouble with it... |
| 17:06.08 | infernix | !sid |
| 17:06.08 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:06.09 | rookmoot | dpkg: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
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| 17:06.31 | rookmoot | infernix, i know that |
| 17:06.34 | blondie | COMPUTER |
| 17:06.35 | infernix | then why are you complaining |
| 17:06.46 | rookmoot | i just said that the libc6 is totaly broken |
| 17:06.52 | infernix | so, file a bug. |
| 17:06.55 | rookmoot | xant |
| 17:06.57 | rookmoot | cant |
| 17:07.01 | rookmoot | nothing work at home |
| 17:07.09 | rookmoot | cant used any app |
| 17:07.11 | infernix | then dont run sid. |
| 17:07.12 | rookmoot | or anything |
| 17:07.33 | rookmoot | infernix, bouarf, are you stupid ? |
| 17:07.38 | rookmoot | i just want to help.. |
| 17:08.03 | infernix | then file the bug :) |
| 17:08.11 | rookmoot | dpkg: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 17:08.15 | rookmoot | that's the error |
| 17:08.18 | rookmoot | i cant run anything |
| 17:08.25 | rookmoot | i cant see where the bug is located |
| 17:08.30 | xingu | and it's about as context free as they get hence why no-one is touching it |
| 17:08.52 | infernix | rookmoot: so what did you do that broke it? |
| 17:08.56 | xingu | you could start by describing what your last change was, and perhaps what your libc6 package version is now. |
| 17:09.14 | rookmoot | infernix, just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:09.23 | xingu | but no, it's far *better* to put a few dozen lines worth of whine across all our screens |
| 17:09.29 | rookmoot | i remenber i had a libc6 upgrade |
| 17:09.35 | xingu | that'll get it sorted real quick |
| 17:09.37 | rookmoot | and now my system is totaly broke |
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| 17:10.22 | xingu | well here's the thing, I'm tracking sid here on my sacrificial box about four times daily, and I'm not currently sharing that pain; my suspicion is that whatever was upgraded, may not have been entirely debian |
| 17:10.32 | rookmoot | i cant used any app... so can't use anythings. So can't say you anything more |
| 17:10.40 | robotnick | Hello, i intalled ircd with apt-get install ircd and it got added at bootup, now i did apt-get remove ircd.. but it still seems to show up on bootup, what do i do to remove it? |
| 17:11.00 | infernix | rookmoot: do you remember what version of libc is installed, or do you remember what your sources.list looks like? |
| 17:11.17 | infernix | robotnick: dpkg --purge [package] |
| 17:11.23 | robotnick | infernix: did that too |
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| 17:11.36 | rookmoot | infernix, i just have the offical unstable deb repository and a deb-multimedia repository |
| 17:11.37 | infernix | robotnick: then it shouldnt show up. ls -R /etc/rc*/*irc* |
| 17:11.41 | VMT2007 | I have a question. |
| 17:11.51 | VMT2007 | Why are there like 15 binary ISOs? |
| 17:11.58 | VMT2007 | Which should I download for a stable desktop installation? |
| 17:12.13 | infernix | VMT2007: for sarge? if you have internet access, just use the netinst cd |
| 17:12.25 | h3sp4wn | rookmoot: amd64 or x86 ? |
| 17:12.34 | robotnick | infernix: that shows a lots of ircu confs |
| 17:12.38 | VMT2007 | ah |
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| 17:12.45 | robotnick | infernix: 7 to be precise |
| 17:12.45 | infernix | robotnick: ircu? |
| 17:12.45 | rookmoot | x86 |
| 17:12.53 | robotnick | infernix: ircd-ircu |
| 17:12.54 | CharminTheMoose | are there any config files i can edit to edit how much main memory is used for agp? |
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| 17:13.06 | infernix | robotnick: try COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep irc |
| 17:13.06 | xingu | rookmoot: what does echo /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6*deb say? |
| 17:13.10 | VMT2007 | another question, I'm pretty familar with FreeBSD, but Linux is still new to me |
| 17:13.16 | h3sp4wn | rookmoot: reinstall the old version then with dpkg from a live cd |
| 17:13.26 | rookmoot | xingu, relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 17:13.30 | robotnick | infernix: i tried aptitude remove ircd-ircu, and i think it will work.. isnt it? |
| 17:13.46 | CharminTheMoose | because agpgart spews this out in dmesg: agpgart: Detected an Intel i810 E Chipset. agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 93M agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 |
| 17:13.47 | rookmoot | h3sp4wn, hehe cant |
| 17:13.47 | VMT2007 | I've never really used Linux -- I actually started with FBSD |
| 17:13.50 | robotnick | infernix: i think it did, now it doesnt show up on nmap localhost |
| 17:13.53 | infernix | robotnick: dpkg --purge is best if you really want to remove everything |
| 17:13.59 | robotnick | infernix: ah |
| 17:14.02 | xingu | rookmoot: are you sure? echo is a shell internal. |
| 17:14.07 | robotnick | infernix: any thing special with that? |
| 17:14.15 | VMT2007 | is debian's package system like FBSD's ports system? |
| 17:14.17 | infernix | robotnick: no, just dpkg --purge ircd-ircu |
| 17:14.20 | rookmoot | /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-9_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-dev_2.3.6.ds1-9_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-i686_2.3.6.ds1-9_i386.deb |
| 17:14.24 | wols_ | VMT2007: no |
| 17:14.25 | rookmoot | i got that with echo |
| 17:14.33 | rookmoot | you right xingu my echo works ;) |
| 17:14.43 | robotnick | infernix: i meant, what else does dpkg --purge do than other methods? |
| 17:14.51 | wols_ | VMT2007: for starters, you don't compile stuff in debian |
| 17:14.51 | robotnick | infernix: removes the conf files? |
| 17:14.55 | infernix | robotnick: exactly. |
| 17:15.09 | VMT2007 | oh? |
| 17:15.10 | robotnick | infernix: ah, cool :) |
| 17:15.15 | robotnick | infernix: thanks though :) |
| 17:15.16 | xingu | rookmoot: well the good nes is I'm running w/ exactly that here; how about .../*pthread* |
| 17:15.21 | xingu | s/nes/news/ |
| 17:15.35 | blondie | if you want to do that waste-of-time-compiling you want gentoo :p |
| 17:16.08 | robotnick | infernix: how do i make aptitude use my local dir than the original locations? |
| 17:16.16 | VMT2007 | see I'm familiar with RPM, but what are the chief differences between it and Debian's packaging system? |
| 17:16.23 | robotnick | infernix: i added local dir at top in sources.list |
| 17:16.30 | VMT2007 | actually I dislike gentoo, but thanks :P |
| 17:16.36 | infernix | robotnick: probably with pinning |
| 17:16.37 | infernix | !pinning |
| 17:16.38 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 17:16.56 | rookmoot | xingu, hehe! good luck so ;) |
| 17:16.58 | holo | how do i put the distcc daemon running as a non-root user in boot time? |
| 17:17.05 | robotnick | thanks infernix |
| 17:17.07 | robotnick | :) |
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| 17:17.46 | xingu | rookmoot: what does echo /var/cache/apt/archives/*pthread* say? |
| 17:18.46 | rookmoot | xingu, hm another thing. my sid libc6 was build under a 2.6.18 kernel, and i used a personnal one. My kernel is a 2.6.17. |
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| 17:18.54 | rookmoot | could that come from that ? |
| 17:19.29 | xingu | it's possible, but not probable |
| 17:19.29 | infernix | CharminTheMoose: isn't that a bios setting, AGP shared mem? |
| 17:20.08 | rookmoot | xingu, i dont get anything for pthread matches |
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| 17:20.29 | xingu | rookmoot: what about echo /lib/libpthread* |
| 17:20.40 | rookmoot | /lib/libpthread-0.10.so /lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 17:21.28 | xingu | that -0.10.so is a martian; it'd be unfortunate if it had grabbed the .so.0 link. |
| 17:22.05 | xingu | rookmoot: what happens if you try a construct like LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so ls -l /lib/libpthread* |
| 17:22.16 | rookmoot | hehe |
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| 17:22.39 | rookmoot | LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so ls -l /lib/libpthread* ls: relocation error: /lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 17:23.04 | xingu | rookmoot: echo /lib/libc6* ? |
| 17:23.18 | rookmoot | nothing |
| 17:23.32 | xingu | rookmoot: aah, echo /lib/libc* |
| 17:23.40 | rookmoot | i have /lib/libc-2.3.6.so |
| 17:23.49 | xingu | what else do you have though |
| 17:23.54 | rookmoot | /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 17:24.08 | rookmoot | and libcutils |
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| 17:25.18 | xingu | rookmoot: does ldd /bin/ls work? |
| 17:25.31 | xingu | rookmoot: if so I need to know the libpthread and libc lines |
| 17:25.56 | rookmoot | ok |
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| 17:26.07 | rookmoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:28.24 | yassine | hi everyone, |
| 17:28.24 | xingu | rookmoot: seems like libc.so.6 is not in a useable state; please try LD_PRELOAD="/lib/libc-2.3.6.so /lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so" ls -l /lib/libc* |
| 17:28.29 | xingu | rookmoot: quotes and spaces matter. |
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| 17:28.47 | Haukkari | a hoi hoi |
| 17:29.03 | infernix | smart thinking, i must remember that |
| 17:29.05 | rookmoot | xingu, got the error |
| 17:29.20 | Haukkari | So my problem is this: I'm running Debian Etch on a laptop, upgraded just from Sarge... trying to mount an usb disk, it yells something about it on dmesg but nooooo, it's not on /dev |
| 17:29.28 | Haukkari | How can I get the usb dev /dev/sda1? o_O |
| 17:29.33 | Haukkari | I have usb-storage module loaded |
| 17:29.36 | rookmoot | my libc.so.6 is pointing to libc-2.3.6.so |
| 17:29.49 | infernix | Haukkari: which kernel version? |
| 17:29.53 | yassine | i have 2 hd the one where linux is installed is the master hd and the one where XP is installed is the slave i have wrote grub into the linux hd and while installing, the installer reconized the windows partition and i even have it in my grub conf listen but when i try to boot xp it fails any ideas ? |
| 17:30.03 | Haukkari | infernix: 2.6.17 |
| 17:30.07 | rookmoot | and libpthread.so.0 is pointing to /lib/libpthread-2.3.6.so |
| 17:30.09 | Haukkari | infernix: -2-686... |
| 17:30.15 | infernix | Haukkari: dpkg -l | grep hotplug, what does that give? |
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| 17:31.00 | Haukkari | infernix: ah, it was not installed. |
| 17:31.02 | Haukkari | infernix: thanks. :) |
| 17:31.02 | rookmoot | xingu, i have a konqueror opened ;) |
| 17:31.13 | xingu | rookmoot: your error means that your pthread wants an errno symbol and your libc is not exporting it; that is a fairly grim state of affairs and not an easy failure to trigger; from your apt archive dir, I think it unlikely that your libc package was updated recently enough to be a trigger for this state of affairs |
| 17:31.13 | infernix | Haukkari: you don't want hotplug. you want to *remove* hotplug, and install udev. |
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| 17:31.29 | infernix | yassine: paste your grub/menu.lst in a pastebin |
| 17:31.36 | xingu | rookmoot: I think it far more likely that something else has gone wrong and overwritten libc-2.3.6.so with something that is not libc-2.3.6.so |
| 17:31.36 | Haukkari | infernix: oh right. :> |
| 17:31.37 | yassine | infernix, one sec |
| 17:31.38 | Haukkari | infernix: yeah |
| 17:31.46 | rainbosnake | good morning room |
| 17:31.51 | CharminTheMoose | mornin' |
| 17:31.58 | Haukkari | infernix: I have udev installed already |
| 17:32.06 | kingsley | Does DNS use port 53? |
| 17:32.07 | Haukkari | infernix: but nothing's appearing on /dev |
| 17:32.13 | infernix | Haukkari: is it working? |
| 17:32.35 | rookmoot | xingu, i will reboot and chroot my system |
| 17:32.38 | infernix | Haukkari: e.g., does mount show a tmpfs on /dev and is udevd in the ps list? |
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| 17:32.53 | Haukkari | infernix: yep. |
| 17:32.54 | rookmoot | maybe a forcing untar .deb file under the system will solve the problem |
| 17:32.55 | xingu | rookmoot: the smallest change is to re-extract the libc-2.3.6.so shared object and confirm that it is different (size/date); and if this is a correct guess - overwrite the installed version |
| 17:33.11 | xingu | rookmoot: *how* you do that on a system that is this broken is a matter of some delicacy |
| 17:33.17 | infernix | Haukkari: can you put the dmesg/syslog output in a pastebin? |
| 17:33.21 | Haukkari | infernix: sure |
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| 17:33.30 | xingu | rookmoot: to unpack a .deb - ar x, then tar xf data.tar.gz |
| 17:33.31 | xjkx | i am saving a sound, on rec sound.wav but its not getting the mic sound, even though the i ca hear the mic sound on the sound box |
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| 17:33.31 | yassine | infernix, http://rafb.net/paste/results/36cI7b39.html |
| 17:33.36 | arcticfoxslash | is debian testing etch? |
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| 17:33.43 | infernix | arcticfoxslash: yup |
| 17:33.43 | rookmoot | xingu, ar ? |
| 17:33.47 | xingu | rookmoot: but your current userland will not let you do this. |
| 17:34.03 | rookmoot | xingu, i have some bootable cd ;) |
| 17:34.04 | xingu | rookmoot: deb's are ar(1) format concatenations of two compressed tarfiles. |
| 17:34.12 | Haukkari | infernix: it's giving out some errors, weird stuff... |
| 17:34.19 | rookmoot | which package provide the ar command ? |
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| 17:34.30 | Haukkari | infernix: a sec... pastebin's lagging |
| 17:34.32 | rainbosnake | i have debian kernel 2.4.27-2-386 just finished installing it on my lapy toshiba tecra 8000 with a wireless pcmcia card (d-link DWL-650 "prism2) it was working fine at my house and when i came to my friend house to show him i cant get internet access from his AP can you help me please thanks in advance |
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| 17:34.46 | xingu | rookmoot: binutils from memory |
| 17:34.47 | rookmoot | Haukkari, use pastebin.ca instead |
| 17:34.51 | rookmoot | xingu, ok |
| 17:34.56 | rookmoot | so basic tool |
| 17:34.59 | rookmoot | that's ok |
| 17:35.04 | rookmoot | i will go to do that now |
| 17:35.07 | xjkx | i am saving a sound, on rec sound.wav but its not getting the mic sound, even though the i ca hear the mic sound on the sound box |
| 17:35.08 | infernix | yassine: for XP, change 'root' into 'rootnoverify' and try again. if that fails, uncomment the two map statements. |
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| 17:35.16 | rookmoot | i let you know the result in few minutes xd |
| 17:35.18 | infernix | yassine: either way, you must use rootnoverify :) |
| 17:35.33 | yassine | infernix, okay give me a min to try :) |
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| 17:36.03 | rainbosnake | i have debian kernel 2.4.27-2-386 just finished installing it on my lapy toshiba tecra 8000 with a wireless pcmcia card (d-link DWL-650 "prism2) it was working fine at my house and when i came to my friend house to show him i cant get internet access from his AP can you help me please thanks in advance |
| 17:36.12 | pmo | hello, i would like to know if it is possible to copy a whole debian root partition to another one, while both have not the same size, what tool / and / or options to use ? |
| 17:36.16 | rookmoot | xingu, thanks for your interestement; ) |
| 17:36.16 | infernix | xjkx: make sure you've selected the right recording input in alsamixer. |
| 17:36.22 | Haukkari | infernix: http://paste.uni.cc/12101 |
| 17:36.26 | Haukkari | infernix: the real pastebin is kinda down. |
| 17:36.26 | rookmoot | gotta back in a working system soon ! |
| 17:36.27 | rookmoot | xD |
| 17:36.29 | Haukkari | infernix: but that ought to work |
| 17:36.29 | rookmoot | bbl |
| 17:36.30 | infernix | xjkx: there's an F5/6/7 key for going to recording controls |
| 17:37.52 | boodi1 | Can anybody tell me how to activate a directory with apache2 to run cgi scripts? |
| 17:37.57 | pmo | main problem with tar / cpio and the like being.. the chardev / blockdev.. and links i am not sure how this will be handle.. while at some point udev ?? should handle it i suppose.. a 'dd' is impossible as it is not the same size.. any suggestion welcome ? |
| 17:37.58 | infernix | Haukkari: those errors indicate a hardware problem, e.g. the OS isn't even noticing that it is a disk device. note the "device not accepting address 2, error -110". try another USB port. if it's in a hub, insert it directly. are you sure it's not broken?:) |
| 17:38.11 | wols_ | !tell pmo about mondo |
| 17:38.33 | Haukkari | infernix: I'm kinda sure it's not broken, it worked 30mins ago at home.. |
| 17:38.44 | deppen | need help with tvcard , cant get it to change channels , think its something with tuner / radio settings in the modules |
| 17:38.50 | infernix | Haukkari: well, what kind of USB chipset is in this box? |
| 17:38.51 | pmo | wols_, thank you :) |
| 17:39.07 | infernix | pmo: i'd use rsync. |
| 17:39.13 | Haukkari | infernix: in the external hard drive? |
| 17:39.16 | Haukkari | infernix: or the computer? |
| 17:39.23 | rainbosnake | can anyone help me please |
| 17:39.24 | Haukkari | infernix: the computer is a Intel P4 Laptop |
| 17:39.26 | infernix | Haukkari: computer. any other usb sticks or drives to test? |
| 17:39.36 | Haukkari | yeah, i've got a stick.. |
| 17:40.21 | infernix | rainbosnake: what kind of wireless network is set up at your friends house? WEP? WPA? WPA2? |
| 17:40.25 | xjkx | infernix i am on recording control but i have no idea where i select this so called 'recording input' it has an item caputure and i added more sound for it and still doesnt save |
| 17:41.18 | infernix | xjkx: note that you have to activate it with spacebar, did you do that as well? |
| 17:41.20 | rainbosnake | infernix just a wireless one and it doesn't have any wep , i am using this other lapy and i connected without assigning any KEY |
| 17:42.04 | infernix | rainbosnake: does iwconfig show any info? that will prove that the card is recognised at the moment. i assume you have tried reinserting the card etc? |
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| 17:43.08 | xjkx | infernix, did now, the recording thing was red then i spacebared it and its not red anymore but still not saving on rec sound.wav |
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| 17:43.43 | infernix | xjkx: what exactly are you using to record? |
| 17:43.50 | xjkx | the software rec |
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| 17:43.54 | xjkx | rec sound.wav |
| 17:43.56 | rainbosnake | infernix no and that is the other thing i want to ask, even at my house no i can get info from iwconfig i get it from ifconfig |
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| 17:44.43 | infernix | rainbosnake: uhm, all wireless cards I know of show up with iwconfig. if yours doesn't, I wouldn't know how to help you, but I've got a suspicion that if iwconfig doesn't say anything that the driver isn't loaded for the card. |
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| 17:45.44 | rainbosnake | infernix: ohhh now i run iwconfig i got irda0 no wireless |
| 17:45.47 | arcticfoxslash | YAY! Finally installing debian on my laptop! |
| 17:45.48 | infernix | xjkx: ah. try with arecord (man arecord). I believe rec will use /dev/dsp instead of the alsa card |
| 17:46.02 | infernix | s/card/devices/ |
| 17:46.31 | rainbosnake | infernix is that for me |
| 17:46.43 | infernix | rainbosnake: irda0 sounds like infrared to me. did you modprobe the module for your card? |
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| 17:47.34 | xjkx | infernix, not in apt-get :< |
| 17:47.39 | rainbosnake | infernix can you help me do that please |
| 17:47.43 | pmo | infernix, good guess :) special file copy option too :) big tool, thanks :) bye (free virtual beer for infernix) |
| 17:47.49 | Haukkari | infernix: meh |
| 17:47.53 | yassine | infernix, i was not successfull with both |
| 17:47.55 | Haukkari | infernix: the hard drive works perfectly in my Mac laptop |
| 17:48.01 | Haukkari | infernix: and my friend's Windows desktop |
| 17:48.07 | infernix | !beer me |
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| 17:48.25 | Haukkari | infernix: and an usb stick worked perfectly, showed up as sda... |
| 17:48.26 | infernix | Haukkari: what about an usb stick in your laptop? |
| 17:48.31 | infernix | heh |
| 17:48.33 | Haukkari | :) |
| 17:48.45 | infernix | Haukkari: google on your hard drive and linux, see what comes up |
| 17:49.00 | Haukkari | infernix: it has worked in linux before..... |
| 17:49.13 | Haukkari | infernix: I'm starting to wonder if there's a bug in the driver in this kernel version |
| 17:49.25 | infernix | Haukkari: possibly. google might know |
| 17:49.36 | infernix | yassine: what exactly went wrong? |
| 17:49.52 | Haukkari | infernix: yep |
| 17:49.52 | infernix | yassine: a grub error, or a windows XP error? |
| 17:49.52 | yassine | seems like the hd is not reconized by grub at all |
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| 17:50.06 | yassine | grub's error |
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| 17:50.41 | infernix | yassine: odd, grub should recognise all drives that are set up in the bios. does the bios show the disk? or is it connected to an addon card (scsi/sata)? |
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| 17:51.04 | rainbosnake | infernix can you help me with the modprobe |
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| 17:51.12 | mastroDani | hi, i've 2 linux machine, wanna share some files with NFS, i've setted the server (debian) and a client (gentoo).. when i try to mount from the client sometimes (but very few times) it works.. but the most it reply with: "mount: RPC: Timed out". i've already disable the firewall both in the server and in the client machine rpcinfo -p <ip> from the client it's ok.. and rpcinfo -p from the server it's ok... the exports on server (o |
| 17:51.12 | mastroDani | ne line): "/media/net-share/ 192.168.2.2(rw,no_subtree_check,sync)" the fstab for this on client: "192.168.2.2:/media/net-share/ /media/net-share/ nfs users,rw,hard,intr 0 0" |
| 17:51.13 | infernix | rainbosnake: what debian version are you running? |
| 17:51.38 | infernix | mastroDani: what does the server syslog say? |
| 17:51.43 | yassine | infernix, both ar showed in the bios i even can mount the wind hd |
| 17:51.49 | rainbosnake | infernix 2.4.27-2-386 searge |
| 17:51.54 | mastroDani | oh.. debian etch |
| 17:52.43 | infernix | rainbosnake: apt-get install hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 17:53.04 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible to get my mouse working in dosemu? |
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| 17:53.13 | infernix | rainbosnake: actually, ignore taht |
| 17:53.23 | rainbosnake | infernix how would i do that and i don't have internet access on that lapy right now |
| 17:54.01 | infernix | rainbosnake: plug in an ethernet cable. |
| 17:54.22 | infernix | rainbosnake: and then apt-get install hostap-modules-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 17:54.25 | rainbosnake | infernix doesn't have it |
| 17:54.31 | infernix | rainbosnake: then I can't help. |
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| 17:55.01 | CharminTheMoose | are there any config files i can edit to edit how much main memory is used for agp? |
| 17:55.03 | rainbosnake | infernix its okay, but just wondering i was working before |
| 17:55.09 | CharminTheMoose | because agpgart spews this out in dmesg: agpgart: Detected an Intel i810 E Chipset. agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 93M agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 |
| 17:55.22 | infernix | rainbosnake: you need that, wireless-tools and hostap-utils. maybe it's already installed, check with "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep hostap" |
| 17:55.38 | infernix | CharminTheMoose: AGP aperture should be a bios setting. |
| 17:56.29 | infernix | CharminTheMoose: either way, I remember changing mtrr values on i810 a long time ago. google for i810 mtrr |
| 17:56.46 | rainbosnake | infernix the card has a steady green light |
| 17:56.55 | mastroDani | infernix: i was searching in the syslog.. it don't say anything strange, only authentication requested form IP 192.168.2.2 for /media/net-share |
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| 17:58.31 | infernix | mastroDani: you can run tethereal on the server, capturing traffic from the client IP only, and see what's going on. |
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| 17:58.58 | mastroDani | infernix: tnx.. will try |
| 17:59.09 | mastroDani | thetereal.. ok |
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| 18:02.50 | vuio_ | Hi, using sockets in C, what is the way on the serverside to write a message to the clientside? |
| 18:03.19 | Sup3rkiddo | guys having a weird problem here ..my box system seems to have forgotten the packages i have installed |
| 18:04.06 | Sup3rkiddo | acoording to apt everything is unistalled.. |
| 18:04.48 | Sup3rkiddo | where do the installed package list get stored |
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| 18:06.12 | js_ | how do i free inodes? |
| 18:06.24 | js_ | it says that 100% inodes are used, but 13gb is free |
| 18:07.12 | Sup3rkiddo | oh damn..looks like i have to reinstall....:(... |
| 18:07.33 | ColonelZarkawi | vuio_, send () |
| 18:07.50 | vuio_ | thanks :) |
| 18:07.56 | ColonelZarkawi | vuio_, you are welcome dude |
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| 18:09.00 | Sup3rkiddo | is there a way i could recover from this mess.. |
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| 18:13.30 | infernix | Sup3rkiddo: yeah |
| 18:13.59 | Sup3rkiddo | infernix, i think i ll reinstall everything in my cache after cleanin |
| 18:14.03 | infernix | Sup3rkiddo: look in /var/lib/dpkg/ for the 'status' file. usually there's a status-old, which is a backup; there's also backups in /var/backup |
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| 18:14.19 | infernix | Sup3rkiddo: what you'll want to figure out though, is why that file got deleted |
| 18:14.24 | Sup3rkiddo | infernix, ahh ok..will look it up |
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| 18:14.41 | CharminTheMoose | infernix:There's nothing my bios about setting the agp memory... |
| 18:14.51 | Sup3rkiddo | infernix, that i know :)..tryied installing hurd |
| 18:15.05 | infernix | CharminTheMoose: well, that's your loss. most motherboards have an agp aperture setting, mine goes from 63mb to 512 iirc |
| 18:15.08 | infernix | *64 |
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| 18:15.33 | CharminTheMoose | tsk.. |
| 18:16.27 | infernix | CharminTheMoose: also, if it's an integrated chip and it uses system memory for video memory, then it should really have a setting for it |
| 18:17.16 | sdubois92 | i just installed debian and now i need some help setting up WDM |
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| 18:17.48 | LnxSlck | sdubois92: what do you want to install? |
| 18:17.55 | sdubois92 | i have WDM installed |
| 18:18.01 | sdubois92 | and AfterStep ( a window manager) |
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| 18:18.22 | sdubois92 | when i turn on the PC it boots uop and says its starting WDM but then goes to the Command line login |
| 18:18.31 | infernix | wdm? |
| 18:18.36 | infernix | !info wdm |
| 18:18.44 | dpkg | wdm: (WINGs Display Manager - an xdm replacement with a WindowMaker look), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.28-2.2 (sid), Packaged size: 400 kB, Installed size: 1256 kB |
| 18:19.04 | valdyn | js_: show us the df output |
| 18:19.05 | infernix | sdubois92: is your X server configured correctly? |
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| 18:19.53 | Flimqy | I got a PCI-PCMCIA adaptor and a Atheros based wireless adaptor... whenever I insert the wireless adaptor, the computer freezes. Has anyone experienced similar problems? |
| 18:19.56 | js_ | valdyn: /dev/hda2 4294967295 0 4294967295 0% / |
| 18:20.03 | js_ | valdyn: thats df -i |
| 18:20.05 | infernix | Flimqy: which kernel? |
| 18:20.12 | Flimqy | infernix: 2.6.18.3 |
| 18:20.25 | infernix | Flimqy: tried any other pcmcia cards? |
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| 18:20.39 | valdyn | js_: just df |
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| 18:20.59 | Flimqy | infernix: not yet. I think I have an old 3com NIC w/o a dongle... I guess that would be enough to test with |
| 18:21.03 | Haukkari | Hey, how can I install kernel 2.6.15? |
| 18:21.07 | Haukkari | instead of 2.6.17? |
| 18:21.16 | Haukkari | any way to do it in etch? |
| 18:21.25 | Flimqy | oh, I have an old 56k modem... I'll try it |
| 18:21.28 | infernix | Flimqy: try it, it'll tell you whether if it's the adapter or the atheros nic |
| 18:22.04 | CharminTheMoose | how do i found out what my motherboard is? |
| 18:22.09 | infernix | Haukkari: either find old packages or build it yourself |
| 18:22.13 | infernix | !make-kpkg |
| 18:22.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 18:22.40 | Flimqy | infernix: That did not cause it to freeze... although I don't have any pcmcia modem drivers compiled into the kernel, either. So it just detected the card was plugged in, but didn't actually load any drivers for it, AFIACTç |
| 18:23.07 | infernix | CharminTheMoose: by looking at it for brand and type stickers, or at bootup time when the bios loads |
| 18:23.49 | infernix | Flimqy: if you remove the drivers for the atheros card it shouldn't freeze then, can you try? |
| 18:24.25 | Flimqy | infernix: hrm. maybe. |
| 18:24.34 | Haukkari | infernix: allright. |
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| 18:24.49 | benny28 | hi :) |
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| 18:25.40 | benny28 | anybody out there who knows a nice job for a kernel-newB ? |
| 18:25.56 | valdyn | benny28: wrong channel |
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| 18:26.07 | Flimqy | infernix: well alrighty... after removing the atheros driver package, inserting the card does not cause a freeze |
| 18:26.20 | benny28 | valdyn: =( |
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| 18:26.34 | benny28 | valyn: ok, sorry |
| 18:26.35 | benny28 | exit |
| 18:26.37 | infernix | Flimqy: are you on etch? did you use the madwifi modules package? |
| 18:26.49 | Flimqy | infernix: yes to both. |
| 18:26.59 | muhkuh | hi, how do i tell pam to not filter the login name? my login name is my email address and pam will filter the host part of it ;/ |
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| 18:27.11 | infernix | Flimqy: hm, what kind of motherboard? |
| 18:27.26 | muhkuh | at least i think pam is the one to blame for :o |
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| 18:27.52 | Flimqy | infernix: an old one... K6-300 CPU IIRC. I was trying an even older Dell one, but an apparant BIOS bug kept it from working with my PCI-PCMCIA adaptor. Let me go examine the motherboard. |
| 18:27.55 | infernix | muhkuh: where are you authenticating? login? pop3/imap? ftp? everwhere? |
| 18:28.11 | infernix | Flimqy: hah. i bet it's an old via chipset? |
| 18:28.16 | muhkuh | imap/pop/smtp |
| 18:28.19 | muhkuh | inc|freaky |
| 18:28.20 | Flimqy | infernix: Seems to be an SiS chipset. 5598 |
| 18:28.23 | muhkuh | infernix |
| 18:28.28 | infernix | Flimqy: /blame chipset:) |
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| 18:28.35 | infernix | Flimqy: try the bios |
| 18:28.37 | Mark_Iron | Hi |
| 18:28.44 | Flimqy | infernix: I have a K6-2 450 board I might be able to try. |
| 18:29.03 | Flimqy | infernix: upgrading the bios on old systems like that tends to be a huge pain :) But I can try |
| 18:29.23 | infernix | muhkuh: there's a setting for it. it shouldnt happen on SMTP in either case. are you using sasl? which pop3 & imap server? |
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| 18:30.12 | muhkuh | infernix yes sasl -> pam -> mysql my pop&imap server is cyrus |
| 18:30.43 | infernix | muhkuh: ok, iirc it's an option somewhere in sasl, not pam |
| 18:30.59 | muhkuh | ok thx will google for it |
| 18:31.17 | Mark_Iron | I am looking for working config file dfs.conf (dfsbuild) ... just getting an error: /newCD/target/..../Release: openFile: does not exist - ANY idea? - thank you in advance :) |
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| 18:32.39 | Mark_Iron | I'm gettinge the error aufter dfsbuild -c /etc/dfsbuild/dfs.cfg ... |
| 18:33.24 | infernix | Flimqy: it could also be a PCI sharing issue, try different pci slots |
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| 18:33.48 | Mark_Iron | well .. I've tried bootcd ... created to CDs (one for sarge and one for etch) .. but both of them don't work ;/ |
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| 18:34.10 | infernix | there's also live-cd or livecd iirc |
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| 18:34.48 | Mark_Iron | hi infernix ... live-cd ..a good idea .. however I was not able to install it under sarge ... :/ |
| 18:35.16 | infernix | Mark_Iron: there might be a backport on backports.org; if not, try to backport it yourself |
| 18:35.19 | infernix | !simple sid backport |
| 18:35.19 | dpkg | hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 18:35.32 | infernix | if that fails, either upgrade to etch or make a chroot for etch in which you can build a livecd |
| 18:35.52 | Mark_Iron | infernix: thanks a lot ! :) |
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| 18:37.15 | muhkuh | well, infernix, i can see option -r to automatically append the host to the username, but nothing to not remove it from the username in the first place ... |
| 18:37.17 | infernix | muhkuh: you will want to consider debugging or stracing the various steps in the authentication process if it isn't sasl, e.g. debug pop3 to see if it passes the full username, then debug sasl, then pam etc |
| 18:37.40 | regis | How can I keep an ethernet interface up even if the cable is unplugged? |
| 18:37.52 | infernix | muhkuh: so turn on logging or run strace against the various processes to see where the full username gets passed through and where it isnt |
| 18:38.16 | Mark_Iron | infernix: are there another alternatives to create customized debian install CDs ? |
| 18:38.26 | infernix | regis: it shouldn't even go down; if you unplug it, ifconfig doesn't show it? |
| 18:38.35 | Mark_Iron | infernix: I do not really need LiveCD .. |
| 18:38.51 | muhkuh | infernix can u give me a quit howto on strace, just installed it |
| 18:38.54 | regis | dont know, it's a small router and if I unplug the ethernet cable I dont have any acces to it anymore |
| 18:38.56 | infernix | Mark_Iron: dfs is a livecd as well. but yes |
| 18:38.59 | infernix | muhkuh: check google for that |
| 18:39.06 | muhkuh | ok |
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| 18:39.27 | Mark_Iron | which one would you prefer infernix ? |
| 18:39.33 | regis | but I see irc client quitting, and I dont have anymore ssh access when I plug back the cable |
| 18:39.34 | infernix | Mark_Iron: read up at http://wiki.debian.org/CustomDebian |
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| 18:40.11 | regis | so I guess the interface goes down and sshd isnt anymore bind to it or something like that maybe? |
| 18:40.14 | Mark_Iron | thank you infernix .. I will read it again ;-) |
| 18:40.14 | infernix | Mark_Iron: but you might need an etch enviroinment to build custom sarge cds due to the versions of various tools used - i don't know. |
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| 18:40.43 | Mark_Iron | infernix: I've installed on my test system sarge and etch |
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| 18:41.04 | infernix | Mark_Iron: there might also be info on debian-administration.org |
| 18:41.16 | Mark_Iron | infernix: I mean sarge 31r4 .. and tha last snapshot of etch |
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| 18:41.27 | Mark_Iron | the |
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| 18:42.05 | Mark_Iron | thank you infernix .. I will check it again .. |
| 18:42.05 | Mark_Iron | [19:35:16] <infernix> Mark_Iron: there might be a backport on backports.org; if not, try to backport it yourself |
| 18:42.05 | Mark_Iron | [19:35:19] <infernix> !simple sid backport |
| 18:42.05 | Mark_Iron | [19:35:19] <dpkg> hmm... simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 18:42.33 | Mark_Iron | sorry ... |
| 18:42.36 | infernix | :) |
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| 18:42.46 | infernix | good luck to all |
| 18:42.48 | Mark_Iron | infernix: it was the wrong paste :/ |
| 18:42.50 | superchounet | fgl_glxgears -> Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) |
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| 18:44.29 | badcfe | i do not have any usb detected. dmesg checked. /dev/inputs contains only event0 wich is my kbd. cat mice gives nothing when fiddling with the mouse. |
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| 18:45.25 | badcfe | does anyone have a hint on this one? |
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| 18:46.00 | cahoot | badcfe: this isnät custom kernel? |
| 18:46.11 | cahoot | badcfe: this isn't a custom kernel? |
| 18:46.19 | FuriousRage | how can i install wine from apt, with "without x" thing? (if its possible? i dont want tons of x stuff on the little server) |
| 18:47.02 | badcfe | cahoot: no. i installed plain 2.6.16.2 with apt-get |
| 18:47.42 | ironfroggy | FuriousRage: then what would you even run with it? |
| 18:48.04 | FuriousRage | ironfroggy: i though on console apps.. (no gui at all on those) |
| 18:48.22 | ironfroggy | not many console only win32api apps |
| 18:48.35 | ironfroggy | you dont mean dos stuff i suppose? |
| 18:49.06 | badcfe | badcfe: hald runs.. |
| 18:49.06 | FuriousRage | ironfroggy: well, delphi 6 Console app. |
| 18:49.16 | Red_Cloud | my Linux distro is Etch. I have snort-mysql v. 2.3.3-9 and snort-common v. 2.3.3-9 installed. In my new repository I notice that there is a v. 2.4.4-1 for both snort-mysql and snort-common in RPM. If I install these versions will it sidetrack my snort so that it is not upgraded any longer? |
| 18:49.48 | ironfroggy | seems like wine would be bad running console apps. it spits out a lot to the console itself. |
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| 18:50.31 | earthian | hello |
| 18:50.46 | FuriousRage | well, im not that interested in what the delphi apps spits out in the console, but the files it generates when i run them tho. |
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| 18:51.22 | earthian | how do i make this action: i want to make all filenames and all directories under some patch e.g. /home/user/path to be all lowercase. now there are various case names |
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| 18:53.19 | badcfe | cahoot: do you have any ideas how i could dig down to get futher diagnostics about my usb situation? |
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| 18:53.44 | cahoot | badcfe: no sign of it in dmesg? |
| 18:54.00 | badcfe | cahoot: no 'usb' in dmesg |
| 18:54.14 | cahoot | badcfe: uhci/ohci neither? |
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| 18:54.43 | badcfe | cahoot: uhci. |
| 18:55.00 | badcfe | cahoot: sorry, EHCI |
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| 18:55.13 | cahoot | badcfe: uhci/ohci is also needed |
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| 18:56.36 | badcfe | cahoot: so the dist-upgrade from sarge to etch didnt install it. hald runs, but ill install uhci/ohci then. do you know the package name? |
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| 18:56.53 | cahoot | badcfe: part of the kernel |
| 18:57.14 | wols_ | badcfe: how did you upgrade? |
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| 18:57.50 | badcfe | wols_: vi /etc/apt/sources.list ;apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:58.35 | badcfe | wols_: and then i installed kernel 2.6.16.2 also with apt-get |
| 18:59.00 | qaywsx | hi there. does anyone know how to change the screen resolution from the command line? (just console, no x) |
| 18:59.03 | wols_ | you running udev? |
| 18:59.07 | badcfe | wols_: now hald runs but i have only my PS/2 kbd in /dev/inputs |
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| 19:00.24 | Mooi | . |
| 19:00.34 | Flimqy | infernix: Well I tried 2 other motherboards (one with a K6-350, one with a k6-III 450, neither booted reliably, tho)... so I tried another PCI slot. Same result, tho. poop. |
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| 19:01.05 | badcfe | wols_, cahoot: hald runs and udev runs. maybe there is some files in /dev/.udev that should be adapted due to my dist-upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 19:01.16 | Flimqy | I think my girlfriend has an old P233 or so... maybe she'd give me that to try. |
| 19:01.22 | Mooi | Hello, how do I convert a batch of mp3 files into wma files? |
| 19:01.34 | abrotman | with windows |
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| 19:01.48 | Flimqy | Moni: Why on earth would you want to do that? |
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| 19:02.15 | Mooi | Flimqy: for my mp3 player. 64kbps wma files are as good as 128kbps mp3s in quality but differ lots in size! |
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| 19:02.23 | Flimqy | Moni: bullshit |
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| 19:02.44 | badcfe | wols_, cahoot: how could i gather futher diagnostics? |
| 19:02.48 | Mooi | Flimqy: I've asked a question. I don't wanna start a debate? |
| 19:02.51 | Flimqy | Moni: Not to mention that 128kb MP3s are pretty low quality to begin with. |
| 19:02.52 | abrotman | Flimqy: on which part |
| 19:03.00 | Mooi | Mooi, not Moni |
| 19:03.13 | Flimqy | Moni: Well the answer to your question is... like abrotman said... use Windows. |
| 19:03.16 | valdyn | Mooi: its probably wrong for wav to wma vs wav to mp3, its defenitely wrong if you convert from mp3 to wma |
| 19:03.25 | Mooi | I don't care what you think what quality is good for you ;) You have higher standards than me. You probably have a better system |
| 19:03.29 | Mooi | so, anyone knows an answer? |
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| 19:03.39 | abrotman | ask bill gates |
| 19:03.39 | Mooi | or is a debate going to go,,? |
| 19:03.48 | Flimqy | Mooi: You've been given the answer twice now. |
| 19:03.51 | bun-bun` | hello |
| 19:03.52 | valdyn | Mooi: /part . /j #windows |
| 19:03.54 | Mooi | ah, right, wma is M$'s |
| 19:03.56 | Mooi | ;) |
| 19:04.01 | Mooi | im on debian !:) |
| 19:04.15 | itchi | Mooi: Buy an ogg player ;-) |
| 19:04.17 | badcfe | how could i place ms DRM system on all my mp3 files? |
| 19:04.24 | Flimqy | Mooi: Any time you convert from a lossy format to another lossy format, the quality suffers DRASTICALLY... even if the 2nd lossy format is equal or better in its own right. |
| 19:04.27 | bun-bun` | fun |
| 19:04.38 | Mooi | Flimqy: SO? |
| 19:04.47 | Mooi | that doesn't happen here |
| 19:04.58 | Mooi | simply, my ear takes low quality wma as better for some reason |
| 19:05.00 | Flimqy | Mooi: Of coures it happens there. It happens EVERYWHERE. It's unavoidable. |
| 19:05.00 | abrotman | Mooi: it doesn't matter .. it's a windows closed codec .. ask #windows .. i haven't heard of a single way to make wma files on linux |
| 19:05.03 | badcfe | i want DRM on my mp3 files so that my friends cannot copy them from me. |
| 19:05.14 | Mooi | :> |
| 19:05.15 | abrotman | Flimqy: stop being an ass .. just let him do it |
| 19:05.28 | Mooi | I know it sounds n00b, but its the way it is. |
| 19:05.31 | Flimqy | Mooi: If you don't care about audio quality, and want smaller files, just convert to 64k mp3s |
| 19:05.33 | Mooi | I wanna store more tracks. |
| 19:05.36 | badcfe | actually, my name is richard stallman |
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| 19:05.45 | Mooi | Flimqy: 64k mp3 < 64k wma |
| 19:05.45 | Mooi | :) |
| 19:05.48 | badcfe | kidding |
| 19:05.57 | Flimqy | Mooi: You just told me you don't care about audio quality. |
| 19:05.58 | felixhcat | yo |
| 19:06.02 | Mooi | Screw it, i'll just wine for some software |
| 19:06.05 | Flimqy | Mooi: Use OGG then. |
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| 19:06.12 | Mooi | OGG is not supported !:( |
| 19:06.21 | Flimqy | Mooi: Use 32k mono MP3s. |
| 19:06.22 | valdyn | Mooi: you should convert wav or raw cd audio to your preferred format, mp3 to wma is pointless |
| 19:06.23 | Flimqy | muwahaha |
| 19:06.30 | Mooi | hm, yeah, mono mp3s are good |
| 19:06.31 | abrotman | Flimqy: knock it off |
| 19:06.32 | qaywsx | i want that DRM system too. so that i cannot even listen too mp3 any more |
| 19:06.38 | Flimqy | abrotman: ? |
| 19:06.42 | badcfe | hehehehehe |
| 19:06.52 | Mooi | ok, guys, you need to be bit more mature |
| 19:06.53 | abrotman | he's been given the answer .. |
| 19:07.07 | abrotman | Mooi: you're not helping .. you're asking about windows codecs in #debian |
| 19:07.11 | Mooi | a person comes to ask a question. you start attacking him telling something that is not an answer |
| 19:07.17 | Mooi | abrotman: ok. Thank you |
| 19:07.21 | badcfe | i dont need to be more mature. actually i prefer staying quite childish. |
| 19:07.27 | abrotman | and you have been given an answer .. numerous times |
| 19:07.27 | Mooi | this is the response I should be getting ;), abrotman |
| 19:07.43 | valdyn | i'd assume that transcode can use windows dlls, even for encoding |
| 19:08.02 | abrotman | then it's off to #mplayer right ? |
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| 19:08.06 | nunu_ | hi,... I've a gpg problem with apt,... got one a few month ago, somehow I made it go away,.. but isn't there an easy way to fix that ? |
| 19:08.13 | abrotman | nunu_: /topic |
| 19:08.15 | Flimqy | Mooi: That is the VERY FIRST RESPONSE YOU GOT |
| 19:08.33 | Mooi | Flimqy | Moni: Why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 19:08.37 | Flimqy | nunu_ look at the topic. |
| 19:08.42 | nunu_ | jop thx |
| 19:08.49 | valdyn | Mooi: you can try #mplayer asking if mencoder can do it |
| 19:08.56 | Flimqy | Mooi: Before I said that, abrotman said "use windows" |
| 19:09.12 | Mooi | anyway, thanks :) |
| 19:09.21 | Mooi | I'll be best off by getting some software and emulate it on wine |
| 19:09.34 | Flimqy | Mooi: sounds like a plan. |
| 19:09.42 | nunu_ | is 2006 key the key for unstable ? |
| 19:09.42 | valdyn | a whole lot of work for -benefit |
| 19:09.45 | Flimqy | (a futile plan in my opinion, but that's beside the point) |
| 19:09.45 | abrotman | or do the free world a favor and reverse engineer the format :) |
| 19:09.54 | Mooi | ;] |
| 19:09.58 | valdyn | nunu_: the etch key is |
| 19:10.00 | abrotman | nunu_: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 19:10.13 | badcfe | Mooi: if you go to a windows forum and ask how you can convert all you wma files to ogg, youlf maybe get the same thing, you know: linux is like an evil virus |
| 19:10.24 | Mooi | haha |
| 19:10.26 | abrotman | holy shit .. drop it already |
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| 19:10.39 | nunu_ | abrotman, did no changes |
| 19:10.46 | qaywsx | but let me ask again if anyone knows how to change the creen resolution from the command line |
| 19:10.47 | abrotman | nunu_: did you run apt-get update again ? |
| 19:10.57 | CharminTheMoose | linux is to evil virus as windows ME is prone to not suck |
| 19:10.58 | valdyn | !drxx qaywsx |
| 19:10.58 | dpkg | qaywsx: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:11.00 | abrotman | qaywsx: for X or for terminal ? |
| 19:11.03 | nunu_ | yes I did |
| 19:11.14 | abrotman | nunu_: paste the error somewhere |
| 19:11.15 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:11.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:11.16 | badcfe | qaywsx: the cream revolution? |
| 19:11.23 | qaywsx | for the terminal, not for x |
| 19:11.25 | CharminTheMoose | and damn |
| 19:11.31 | CharminTheMoose | I just wrecked that analogy |
| 19:11.54 | abrotman | !fb |
| 19:11.54 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
| 19:12.46 | Mooi | ok |
| 19:12.50 | Mooi | so that software didnt work |
| 19:12.57 | valdyn | qaywsx: that is documented in your kernel source trees Documentation directory |
| 19:13.26 | badcfe | i do not have any usb detected. dmesg checked. /dev/inputs contains only event0 wich is my ps2 kbd. cat mice gives nothing when fiddling with the mouse. anyone knows how i can gather futher diagnostics to solve this one? |
| 19:13.40 | Mooi | So what is the best way to reduct the size of an MP3 file by about 60% for listening using an MP3 player that supports only MP3, WAV and WMA using Debian Etch? |
| 19:14.01 | valdyn | Mooi: no method, use.. |
| 19:14.03 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 19:14.03 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 19:14.19 | Mooi | thank you, valdyn |
| 19:14.25 | rainbosnake | infernix i got it to work , thank for all your help |
| 19:14.33 | valdyn | Mooi: ^^^ , get lame and encode to lower bitrate mp3 |
| 19:14.48 | nunu_ | abrotman, it's german with wrong keyboard settings anyway,.. it just says W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release: Unbekannter Fehler beim Ausführen von gpgv W: Probieren Sie â, um diese Probleme zu korrigieren. |
| 19:14.50 | Mooi | I found it on google, thanks |
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| 19:15.05 | Mooi | marillat seems not to be in the repository |
| 19:15.05 | qaywsx | ok just thought you knew the command right away |
| 19:15.07 | abrotman | nunu_: is there a number ? |
| 19:15.16 | valdyn | Mooi: well, that's what dpkg explained |
| 19:15.20 | rainbosnake | i want to upgrade my kernel from .4.27-2-386 to the current 2.6 how can i do that using apt-get please |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | rainbosnake: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. find the one for your CPU and install it |
| 19:15.54 | nunu_ | Fehl http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release Hole:2 http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release [79,6kB] Ign http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release |
| 19:16.01 | Mooi | oh ;) |
| 19:16.06 | nunu_ | not really a number |
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| 19:16.23 | badcfe | is a dmesg containing no mention of usb for sure meaning that i have a physical problem with my usb? udev and hald runs, so i dont understand why usb is gone.... |
| 19:16.24 | abrotman | nunu_: try LANG=C <command> |
| 19:16.31 | rainbosnake | abrotman : thank you |
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| 19:17.49 | nunu_ | same error only in english :/ |
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| 19:18.09 | Mark_Iron | hi abrotman ;-) |
| 19:18.16 | abrotman | hi? |
| 19:18.51 | abrotman | badcfe: any modules blacklisted? does it work in another OS ? |
| 19:18.52 | ironfroggy | how do i add a cups user? |
| 19:18.54 | vin` | badcfe: is usbcore loaded? |
| 19:18.57 | Mark_Iron | do you have a working example of dfs.cfg file? (dfsbuild) @ abrotman |
| 19:19.00 | ironfroggy | it doesnt seem to accept my regular user/pass |
| 19:19.06 | abrotman | no |
| 19:19.20 | badcfe | vin`: i would see it in dmesg? |
| 19:19.21 | Mark_Iron | somebody else ? |
| 19:19.27 | Mark_Iron | do you have a working example of dfs.cfg file? (dfsbuild) @ |
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| 19:19.32 | vin` | badcfe: try lsmod |
| 19:19.41 | badcfe | abrotman: it worked on sarge. i just upgraded to etch. |
| 19:19.41 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
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| 19:19.46 | Agent007 | hey |
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| 19:19.56 | EnsignRedshirt | After a recent power outage, I am having trouble reconnecting to a network printer. |
| 19:20.50 | badcfe | vin`: lsmod does not mention usbcore |
| 19:21.08 | EnsignRedshirt | I am using the gnome utility Applications->Desktop Preferences->System Tools->Printing |
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| 19:21.51 | vin` | badcfe: try loading it with modprobe |
| 19:22.06 | EnsignRedshirt | The printer shows up in the Printers window, but if I try to print to it, nothing happens, and the print job just sits in the queue. |
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| 19:22.41 | Mark_Iron | dfsbuild: /root/CD/target/var/cache/bootstrap/Release: openFile: does not exist (No such file or directory) - any idea ??? |
| 19:22.42 | EnsignRedshirt | So I am re-entering the printer properties in the "Properties" printer window. |
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| 19:23.21 | badcfe | vin`: then usbfs and hub is registered. but i dont get a new entry in /dev/inputs when i plug my usb mouse |
| 19:23.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to completely block (certain packages from being updated? |
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| 19:23.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | *minus the ( |
| 19:23.39 | abrotman | you have to load other usb modules for a usb mouse |
| 19:23.44 | abrotman | !hold |
| 19:23.44 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 19:24.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Thanks |
| 19:24.11 | ironfroggy | anyone here using cups on a remote server? |
| 19:25.01 | badcfe | abrotman: do you know what module this is? |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | !usbmouse |
| 19:25.10 | dpkg | from memory, usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 19:25.19 | abrotman | usbhid and mousedev |
| 19:26.09 | badcfe | abrotman: usbhid would manage a kbd too if i insert one? |
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| 19:26.32 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 19:27.19 | badcfe | abrotman, vin`, cahoot: thank you |
| 19:27.34 | abrotman | badcfe: put the usbhid and mousedev modules in /etc/modules |
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| 19:28.21 | badcfe | abrotman: modprobe mousedev gives 'not found' |
| 19:28.39 | abrotman | what kernel are you running? uname -a |
| 19:28.51 | badcfe | 2.6.16.2 |
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| 19:29.16 | EnsignRedshirt | I have tried a few different connections in the Connection tab, but when I close the window, and then go back to it again, the connect is back to CUPS Printer (IPP), and the URI is blank. |
| 19:29.27 | abrotman | badcfe: selfcompiled ? |
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| 19:31.24 | badcfe | abrotman: no apt-get of the virtual pkg for kernel 2.6.16.2 |
| 19:31.40 | abrotman | there isn't one anymore |
| 19:31.42 | abrotman | badcfe: uname -a |
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| 19:31.56 | EnsignRedshirt | What is the proper format for the "URI" of a network printer? |
| 19:31.57 | badcfe | abrotman: maybe my dist-upgrade from sarge to etch didnt get thismousedev module installed? |
| 19:32.13 | abrotman | badcfe: it's a kernel module .. you're not running a kernel currently available in debian |
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| 19:32.23 | abrotman | badcfe: so again .. give us 'uname -a' |
| 19:32.51 | badcfe | abrotman: wtf. its 2.6.16.2 and i got it with apt-get. i run etch. |
| 19:32.59 | joefso | I didn't want gdm to startup with boot, so I disabled it with rcconf. Now I want to add it with update-rc.d -f gdm defaults. But it says: System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist. |
| 19:33.04 | abrotman | that kernel IS NOT in etch |
| 19:33.31 | abrotman | which is why i keep asking for uname -a .. but you're scared to give it for some reason |
| 19:33.53 | badcfe | abrotman: i darn run 2.6.16.2 8-) |
| 19:33.57 | buggarage | what if i boot with a gentoo kernel into debian ? |
| 19:34.06 | abrotman | if you can't give me 'uname -a' then i'm done helping |
| 19:34.16 | zamaliphe | can some one explean this line ""TARGETS = $(filter-out loadppm readtex tkmap,$(patsubst %.c,%,$(wildcard *.c)))"" ? . ,it is frome makefile |
| 19:34.26 | badcfe | abrotman: i do uname -a but without a mouse its not weasy to cut and paste. it says 2.6.16.2 |
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| 19:34.41 | abrotman | badcfe: are you IRCing from the box ? |
| 19:35.17 | mastroDani | can somebody help me to understand why trying to mount an NFS share get a timeout? i've the network dump of the communication taken with wireshark... can you help me to understand it? |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | badcfe: what CPU do you have ? |
| 19:35.37 | badcfe | abrotman: yeah |
| 19:35.56 | abrotman | badcfe: in your IRC window ... /exec -o uname -a |
| 19:35.59 | dvs | badcfe: /exec -o uname -a |
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| 19:36.27 | kupesoft | any way to have apt-get update / apt-get upgrade ignore an out-of-date package? |
| 19:36.46 | abrotman | !hold |
| 19:36.46 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 19:36.59 | badcfe | abrotman: a lame celeron. i had usb on the machine one. the problem seems to be my hald, udev or some kernel problem. no usb mention in dmesg.. |
| 19:37.13 | hacker_ | i |
| 19:37.14 | abrotman | badcfe: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:37.21 | hacker_ | i |
| 19:37.24 | joefso | I didn't want gdm to startup with boot, so I disabled it with rcconf. Now I want to add it with update-rc.d -f gdm defaults. But it says: System startup links for /etc/init.d/gdm already exist. |
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| 19:37.45 | dvs | !i |
| 19:37.46 | dpkg | somebody said i was the imaginary unit, the square root of -1 and other nifty things, or the chemical symbol to iodine and a personal pronoun together with me, my and myself, or roman numeral for 1, or the letter between h and j, or commonly used as an iteration counter, or rapidly becomming the most tacked-on factoid. used as a block index in much of the rsync code |
| 19:37.51 | badcfe | abrotman: i did that once. and i got my kernel |
| 19:38.18 | abrotman | badcfe: try it again |
| 19:38.19 | kupesoft | abrotman: Doesn't seem to work, |
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| 19:38.28 | kupesoft | abrotman: dpkg: unknown option --set-selection |
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| 19:38.53 | abrotman | are you running debian ? |
| 19:38.53 | kupesoft | there's no s. |
| 19:39.23 | valdyn | joefso: why dont you enable it with rcconf? |
| 19:39.27 | kupesoft | Worked. |
| 19:39.36 | badcfe | seems this time it will install the 2.6.18 |
| 19:39.37 | kupesoft | I did --set-selection rather than --set-selections |
| 19:39.38 | drizzd | zamaliphe: it takes all the c-files, strips them of their .c extension and discards the files loadppm readtex and tkmap |
| 19:39.39 | joefso | valdyn, cause i have to do it in a bash script |
| 19:39.40 | kupesoft | abrotman: no, ubuntu )= |
| 19:39.57 | abrotman | kupesoft: then ask #ubuntu |
| 19:39.59 | kupesoft | abrotman: same difference when it comes to apt-get, |
| 19:40.08 | abrotman | not really |
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| 19:40.15 | kupesoft | abrotman: it worked, no matter, |
| 19:40.21 | abrotman | okay .. now go to #ubuntu |
| 19:40.36 | vin` | shoo |
| 19:40.58 | valdyn | joefso: 'chmod +x /etc/init.d/gdm' might be it, fortunately your update-rc.d fuckup didnt work, dont even try to do it like that |
| 19:41.41 | badcfe | abrotman: so what i have learned is that dist-upgrade does not upgrade the derivatives of virtual packages |
| 19:41.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 19:41.57 | joefso | well a normal init.d is -rwxr-xr-x and +x makes it -rwxrwxrwx |
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| 19:42.02 | abrotman | is it installing a new kenrel ? |
| 19:42.16 | valdyn | joefso: nonsense |
| 19:42.18 | badcfe | 2.6.18 |
| 19:42.23 | abrotman | okay |
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| 19:42.32 | joefso | valdyn, my fault |
| 19:42.34 | valdyn | joefso: its ok if its already executable |
| 19:42.35 | joefso | valdyn, :) |
| 19:42.38 | badcfe | so i guess ill cross ther fingers and boot |
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| 19:42.45 | abrotman | !find mousedev.ko etch |
| 19:42.51 | joefso | valdyn, tell me what is the difference between 777 and x |
| 19:42.56 | dvs | there you go |
| 19:43.05 | AM|R | hi |
| 19:43.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mousedev.ko' (3 of 8): (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-k7/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.17-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-486/kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.17-2-486. |
| 19:43.15 | badcfe | dvs: i dont believe ya |
| 19:43.15 | valdyn | joefso: x is only x, 7 is all 3 rw and x |
| 19:43.18 | abrotman | eh .. bot is out of date |
| 19:43.19 | AM|R | i got problem |
| 19:43.23 | AM|R | why muvoc:/tmp# dnssec-keygen -f KSK -a RSASHA1 -b 2048 -n ZONE ns.inter.net.my |
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| 19:43.39 | AM|R | its stuck without output |
| 19:43.48 | dvs | and yet the bots say that they are "updating files" |
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| 19:44.43 | abrotman_ | AM|R: it could be waiting for entropy |
| 19:45.02 | AM|R | abrotman meaning i have to wait? |
| 19:45.13 | abrotman_ | or make the system do stuff |
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| 19:45.36 | valdyn | joefso: purge gdm and install it, that'll revert all changes you made |
| 19:45.51 | zamaliphe | drizzd: thanks |
| 19:45.58 | AM|R | ermm |
| 19:46.01 | AM|R | anyone |
| 19:46.24 | abrotman | AM|R: make the system do stuff |
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| 19:46.37 | abrotman | AM|R: run something like find / or something |
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| 19:47.17 | zamaliphe | drizzd: but can you explean it moor pleases i know about makefile and i wish to understand that line if you pleases |
| 19:47.22 | AM|R | abrotman: what i should find?... its not generated output |
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| 19:48.17 | abrotman | damn well should |
| 19:48.34 | abrotman | if you run "find /" .. it should show all the files it can |
| 19:50.31 | joefso | valdyn, +x doesn't work |
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| 19:50.48 | valdyn | joefso: 20:45 < valdyn> joefso: purge gdm and install it, that'll revert all changes you made |
| 19:50.51 | mouflon | when I plug in usb disks they are mounted umask 077. how can I change the default to 022? |
| 19:51.00 | joefso | valdyn, how does that help my script? |
| 19:51.06 | abrotman | badcfe: do you have a mousedev module ? |
| 19:51.13 | abrotman | mouflon: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:51.27 | badcfe | module mousedev not found |
| 19:51.33 | joefso | valdyn, what I'm trying to achieve is,disabling a service with rcconf and enabeling it trough something else, something thatÅ› scriptable |
| 19:51.33 | valdyn | joefso: don't care if it does, you first want to have a sane state |
| 19:51.59 | valdyn | joefso: why the hell use rcconf? |
| 19:52.02 | badcfe | could find package mousedev |
| 19:52.06 | abrotman | badcfe: it's not a package |
| 19:52.12 | sparr | how can i display a single jpg fullscreen, with nothing else visible? |
| 19:52.14 | badcfe | s/could a\NOT |
| 19:52.23 | abrotman | badcfe: updatedb && locate mousedev |
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| 19:52.36 | abrotman | sparr: numerous viewers have that ability |
| 19:52.37 | joefso | valdyn, well, it is, cause if i enable it with rcconf it works on boot, i have reboooted several times and tested it first with rcconf (gdm starts) disabeling it witch rcconf (gdm doesn't start) then chmod +x /etc/inint.d/gdm (gdm _doesn't_ start) |
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| 19:52.50 | badcfe | i get obj file for the 2.6.16 kernel |
| 19:53.00 | badcfe | ill do a locate.updatedb |
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| 19:53.15 | sparr | abrotman: i am glad to see you have not lost a bit of vagueness this year. |
| 19:53.29 | abrotman | sparr: nice to see you're still a lazy ass :) |
| 19:53.33 | Flimqy | What does ext4 offer that ext3/2 don't |
| 19:53.35 | Flimqy | ? |
| 19:53.42 | valdyn | joefso: that doesnt explain why you have to use rcconf |
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| 19:54.06 | dvs | Flimqy: unnecessarily uses up an extra partition. ;-) |
| 19:54.10 | mouflon | abrotman: sorry, that's not an answer to my question. I'd like automounted usb disks to have a default umask of 022. editing fstab per partition is not what I want |
| 19:54.20 | Flimqy | dvs: awesome. So it's like using MacOS? :P |
| 19:54.22 | joefso | valdyn, well if i invoke update-rc.d -f gdm remove, and then update-rc.d -f gdm defaults . Wont that mess up startup levels etc..? |
| 19:54.24 | sparr | abrotman: youd have me just try 30 random image viewers, as opposed to asking for the name of the 1 that has the feature? (rhetorical, i know YOU would) |
| 19:54.26 | abrotman | Flimqy: it was discussed on the LKML |
| 19:54.26 | cahoot | badcfe: you did reboot? |
| 19:54.31 | felixhcat | sup |
| 19:54.37 | abrotman | sparr: no .. i'd try apt-cache search |
| 19:54.37 | valdyn | joefso: it will |
| 19:54.44 | joefso | valdyn, I always used rcconf for mangeing rc.... stuff |
| 19:54.45 | badcfe | cahoot: yeah. now runs 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.16 |
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| 19:54.51 | sparr | abrotman: as would i. and found dozens. |
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| 19:54.55 | valdyn | joefso: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm disables, chmod +x /etc/init.d/gdm enables |
| 19:54.56 | abrotman | mouflon: it does answer you |
| 19:55.01 | abrotman | sparr: so use one ? |
| 19:55.10 | sparr | abrotman: the first 5 i tried dont have the feature i want |
| 19:55.13 | valdyn | joefso: but first you need a sane state with gdm 'enabled' via rcconf is you want |
| 19:55.24 | valdyn | joefso: or purge and install, that would guarantee a sane state |
| 19:55.25 | badcfe | abrotman: i only have mousedev.o in the 2.6.16 kernel tree |
| 19:55.28 | AM|R | why muvoc:/tmp# dnssec-keygen -f KSK -a RSASHA1 -b 2048 -n ZONE ns.inter.net.my |
| 19:55.32 | AM|R | it stucked |
| 19:55.32 | felixhcat | investigating |
| 19:55.40 | abrotman | badcfe: that's not right .. should be mousedev.ko |
| 19:55.52 | bun-bun` | sup |
| 19:56.01 | badcfe | abrotman: i dont have any mausedev.ko |
| 19:56.11 | badcfe | /mause/mouse/ |
| 19:56.15 | abrotman | badcfe: /j #flood |
| 19:56.15 | muhkuh | hmmmm, somehow PAM removes the host portion of my username so the login results to an authentication error, does anyone know how to tell PAM to noth touch the username? |
| 19:56.16 | Haukkari | anyone know where I can get a .deb-packaged kernel 2.6.15? |
| 19:56.19 | Haukkari | for i386 |
| 19:56.22 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 19:56.23 | valdyn | joefso: rcconf is unsafe, its a broken tool, basically |
| 19:56.23 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 19:56.28 | xushi | does linux support all the network protocols in IDC's model of NOS requirements? |
| 19:56.39 | mouflon | abrotman: sorry, it doesn't. |
| 19:56.41 | abrotman | badcfe: ? |
| 19:56.44 | abrotman | mouflon: okay |
| 19:56.49 | sparr | abrotman: id rather ask here and be patient, and possibly never get an answer, than continue wasting time and disk space installing more programs that probably cant do it either |
| 19:56.59 | joefso | valdyn, aah, so what options are left, are there any tools that might make life easier? |
| 19:57.07 | valdyn | joefso: i just told you |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | sparr: eog ... feh .. there's two |
| 19:57.19 | joefso | yes i know i purging it at.m |
| 19:57.26 | valdyn | joefso: 20:54 < valdyn> joefso: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm disables, chmod +x /etc/init.d/gdm enables |
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| 19:58.19 | mouflon | I'd like to chagne the default umask applied to usb disks when they are mounted as I plug them in |
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| 20:00.19 | CrazednDazed | mounting a usb drive manually with readwrite, that would be....: mount -rw /volume /volume/mnt/spot |
| 20:00.28 | CrazednDazed | right? |
| 20:00.33 | muhkuh | hmmmm, somehow PAM removes the host portion of my username so the login results to an authentication error, does anyone know how to tell PAM to noth touch the username? |
| 20:00.42 | abrotman | mouflon: /msg dpkg vfatrw :) |
| 20:02.19 | Flimqy | When the kernel modules for my pcmcia network card are loaded upon inserting my pccard device, the system hangs... Is it possible that using a different PCI Access Mode in the kernel, or some other configuration change, might help with this? Or am I likely screwed due to hardware incompatibility with my motherboard or something? |
| 20:02.47 | mouflon | I plug in different usb disks, with differing partitions, at various times |
| 20:02.58 | mouflon | they are all automatically mounted |
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| 20:03.08 | mouflon | they all get umask 077 |
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| 20:03.27 | mouflon | I don't want to add lines to fstab because I don't know beforehand what to write there |
| 20:03.29 | bigwig | hello all |
| 20:03.50 | mouflon | I just want the umask to be 022 when they are mounted automatically |
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| 20:04.36 | Flimqy | I see there is a new SATA/PATA driver in 2.6.19. Should I use the new driver or stick with the old one? |
| 20:04.41 | abrotman | valdyn: are you running etch ? |
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| 20:04.49 | Flimqy | I'm using an old integrated SiS IDE chipset on this particular system... |
| 20:04.55 | valdyn | abrotman: yea |
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| 20:05.09 | abrotman | valdyn: and the 2.6.18-3 ? |
| 20:05.17 | valdyn | abrotman: nope |
| 20:05.22 | abrotman | valdyn: hrm .. okay |
| 20:05.24 | cahoot | mouflon: in for a wrestling with udev rules? |
| 20:05.29 | Daveman | Hi Abrotman |
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| 20:05.35 | valdyn | abrotman: custom 2.6.19 |
| 20:05.37 | sparr | abrotman: thanks. eog would have been the ~10th one i tried, so only 2x as much effort as i was willing to put into the task |
| 20:05.48 | abrotman | sparr: see .. you're still lazy :) |
| 20:05.52 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 20:05.55 | abrotman | valdyn: ah ok |
| 20:06.06 | Daveman | Howdy :) |
| 20:06.08 | mouflon | cahoot: why not |
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| 20:06.34 | bigwig | i would like install debian sarge on a machine that has intel 965 chipset and two sata drives. i could not boot with official netinstall images (sarge or etch), neither with sarge-custom-1115. i tried knoppix (kernel version 2.6.17), and it booted with the kernel param all-generic-ide. i installed a base system with debootstrap and compiled a kernel version 2.6.18.2. i tried to boot up from the disk, and i got a kernel panic: attempted to |
| 20:06.42 | cahoot | mouflon: I suppose that's needed for what you want to achieve |
| 20:07.07 | Stevie-O | bigwig: you need to break up your messages |
| 20:07.14 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 20:07.14 | bigwig | sorry for that |
| 20:07.14 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 20:07.25 | valdyn | bigwig: ^^^ |
| 20:07.28 | bigwig | valdyn: i read that |
| 20:07.35 | dvs | valdyn: I thought the 2.6.18 is now in etch? |
| 20:07.37 | Stevie-O | valdyn: That doesn't seem to help if he doesn't have Debian already installed. |
| 20:07.43 | mouflon | cahoot: ok, any pointers? |
| 20:07.51 | valdyn | Stevie-O: it does |
| 20:08.09 | cahoot | mouflon: google says this: http://webpages.charter.net/decibelshelp/LinuxHelp_UDEVPrimerMisc.html |
| 20:08.13 | bigwig | valdyn: i downloaded the 1115 version of that image |
| 20:08.31 | abrotman | it's all broken! |
| 20:08.33 | bigwig | it does boot, however it does not recognise my dvd-rom |
| 20:08.55 | valdyn | Stevie-O: that's kernel 2.6.19-rc3, why'd you use that? |
| 20:09.04 | valdyn | bigwig: that's kernel 2.6.19-rc3, why'd you use that? |
| 20:09.09 | valdyn | Stevie-O: sorry |
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| 20:10.10 | abrotman | okay .. so the debian kernel has no more mousedev ... |
| 20:10.14 | bigwig | valdyn: it does not recognise the pata dvdrom. that's because debian uses the generic ide driver compiled as a module and i cannot tell it "all-generic-ide" at boot time |
| 20:10.15 | abrotman | erm .. the 2.6.18 |
| 20:10.27 | dvs | abrotman: so what does it use now? |
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| 20:10.32 | abrotman | dvs: magic |
| 20:10.34 | Stevie-O | wacom tablets |
| 20:10.34 | abrotman | nfc |
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| 20:10.49 | valdyn | bigwig: that's what the text to that installer sais |
| 20:10.54 | mouflon | cahoot: well, udev already seems to be giving the usb device correct permissions. I guess I'm interested in the mount permissions |
| 20:11.09 | valdyn | bigwig: so you're seeing an error that is written next to the download link and wonder? |
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| 20:12.20 | mouflon | is it hal I need to mess with? |
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| 20:13.13 | bigwig | valdyn: i don't really see your point... please explain it in a greater detail |
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| 20:13.48 | valdyn | bigwig: the text next to the download link for the installer you used mentions 'PATA machine may fail to find a disk and CD on 2nd stage', THAT is the issue you are seeing |
| 20:13.55 | abrotman | dvs: oddly . it's in the source package |
| 20:14.06 | dvs | ??? |
| 20:14.15 | dvs | oooooooooooooooookay |
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| 20:14.24 | bigwig | valdyn: all right, is there a solution for the problem? |
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| 20:15.30 | valdyn | bigwig: i havent tested the remaining images on your compuiter, 0801 is tested but maybe to old 1008 at least uses a stable kernel and does not explicitely mention your issue |
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| 20:16.49 | bigwig | valdyn: so you say that a more recent sarge-custom image has this issue but the older one does not? |
| 20:17.15 | valdyn | bigwig: nope |
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| 20:18.24 | bigwig | you say then that it's just worth a try |
| 20:18.39 | valdyn | bigwig: yea |
| 20:18.47 | bigwig | i see |
| 20:19.05 | valdyn | bigwig: your 1115 has a link 'more details' worth reading |
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| 20:21.49 | bigwig | btw is there a chance that etch becomes stable this year? |
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| 20:22.41 | dvs | bigwig: I dont think so |
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| 20:23.16 | abrotman | in 21 days ? |
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| 20:23.48 | codingheaven | someone to help on LVS-DR ? |
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| 20:25.12 | qaywsx | sorry to bother again. if found out that by adding "vga=771" to the command "kernel /vmlinuz boot=..." in grub i can change my screen resolution. any ideas on how to make the change permanent, i.e. not having to enter this on every boot? |
| 20:25.18 | abrotman | dvs: mousedev is now builtin |
| 20:25.28 | dvs | cool! |
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| 20:25.37 | abrotman | woohoo |
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| 20:26.10 | abrotman | bounces? |
| 20:26.23 | xingu | xscreensaver-gl bouncingcow |
| 20:26.28 | schme | qaywsx: add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:26.55 | qaywsx | lets try ... |
| 20:28.20 | bigwig | ok then let's forget those custom debian installers for a moment... could you please help me with this kernel panic (after debootstrap, i compiled a 2.6.18.2 kernel and tried to boot) |
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| 20:29.37 | bigwig | it says: /sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: No such file |
| 20:29.52 | bigwig | and then: Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! |
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| 20:31.44 | bigwig | it also says: pivot_root: No such file or directory |
| 20:31.49 | bigwig | what is pivot_root? |
| 20:31.54 | carlosz | hi, i want to change permisions to a lot of directories with spaces between... i'm trying with find . -type d | sed / /\ / | xargs chmod +x |
| 20:32.07 | carlosz | but the sed part is not right |
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| 20:32.56 | bigwig | carlosz: find . -type d | while read dir; do chmod +x "$dir"; done |
| 20:33.33 | xingu | carlosz: find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0n 512 chmod +x |
| 20:35.13 | qaywsx | schme: thanks that works |
| 20:35.19 | carlosz | xingu: thanks, that did it |
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| 20:36.20 | schme | qaywsx: n/p ! |
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| 20:38.20 | muhkuh | pam seam to have a problem with username conaining an @ can somebody help me with this please? |
| 20:38.35 | cyzie | any recommendation GUI download accelerator ? |
| 20:38.55 | pumpkin0 | cyzie: bittorrent ? |
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| 20:39.19 | blondie | muhkuh: remove the @ |
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| 20:39.46 | muhkuh | i cant its used for emails |
| 20:39.53 | blondie | orly |
| 20:40.01 | blondie | what's the email address then? user@user@domain.com? |
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| 20:40.46 | blondie | muhkuh: the username should probably be the first part of the email address before the @, right? |
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| 20:40.58 | muhkuh | a normal mail address use as the login too, but ther host gets stripped away from the username on login resultin in an auth error |
| 20:41.18 | muhkuh | blondie, no the username is the full email address |
| 20:41.24 | blondie | well that's a stupid idea |
| 20:41.46 | muhkuh | because? |
| 20:42.07 | blondie | well you can see for yourself can't you |
| 20:42.10 | blondie | it's not working properly |
| 20:42.16 | petemc | muhkuh: authentication for what? |
| 20:42.34 | muhkuh | pop smtp and imap |
| 20:42.46 | petemc | specifically? |
| 20:43.10 | pumpkin0 | muhkuh: don´t all users have the same thing after the @ ? |
| 20:43.23 | petemc | dovecot, for example, can be to configured to use user@domain , or just user |
| 20:43.26 | muhkuh | no i have multiple domains here |
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| 20:44.02 | muhkuh | and pam cant be configured? |
| 20:44.08 | xingu | petemc: surely you wouldn't pass it down to pam though, you'd use some internal credential database |
| 20:44.19 | petemc | xingu: no, i dont use pam |
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| 20:44.28 | petemc | arbitrary passwd files |
| 20:44.40 | xingu | muhkuh: you sure it's an @ tokenising thing and not just a username length thing? |
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| 20:45.15 | muhkuh | i see the sql its generating and the user name i put into the login |
| 20:45.23 | CharminTheMoose | hi all,is it possible for me to use checkinstall to install a 2.6.19 kernel? |
| 20:45.27 | muhkuh | it strip the las @anything |
| 20:45.40 | muhkuh | it strips the last @anything |
| 20:45.41 | xingu | pam generates sql? |
| 20:45.45 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: use make-kpkg |
| 20:45.52 | muhkuh | auth sufficient pam_mysql.so user=mailadmin passwd=saltNpepper host=localhost db=mailadmin table=users usercolumn=email passwdcolumn=password crypt=3 |
| 20:46.05 | petemc | muhkuh: perhaps you didnt pick up on what i was saying, that can often be a configuration option of the server software |
| 20:46.20 | CharminTheMoose | wols_ what about making the modules/installing them? |
| 20:46.29 | muhkuh | maybe but i cant find a matching option for pam |
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| 20:46.38 | wols_ | that's one of the reasons you want to use kernel-package |
| 20:46.49 | petemc | muhkuh: but what about what the server is passing pam |
| 20:46.58 | petemc | +to |
| 20:47.31 | muhkuh | i did a strace testsaslauthd ... and it did pass the full username to pam |
| 20:47.37 | petemc | right |
| 20:47.45 | petemc | them im no help :) |
| 20:48.04 | Malagmyr | argh. what's up with the azureus package in debian? it's supposed to be run as a user (who the hell runs a bittorrent client as root?!) but the configuration is set to use autoupdate, which requires write permission to /usr/share/azureus, which normal users don't have by default. i fixed it by adding an azureus group and allowing that group to write to /usr/share/azureus, but seriously... |
| 20:48.37 | pumpkin0 | Malagmyr: => bts => file a bug |
| 20:49.08 | valdyn | Malagmyr: in azureus case its better not to use a deb but the upstream package |
| 20:49.08 | muhkuh | so does anyone know how to tell PAM to NOT touch the given username? |
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| 20:50.18 | xingu | muhkuh: are you sure it's a problem with pam, and not just with pam_mysql? |
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| 20:50.43 | muhkuh | well i dont know how to decide that |
| 20:51.18 | muhkuh | can i some how trace the module call? |
| 20:52.12 | xingu | # ssh -l fish@sticks localhost |
| 20:52.12 | xingu | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 20:52.12 | xingu | fish@sticks@localhost's password: |
| 20:52.17 | xingu | it's not pam. |
| 20:53.11 | muhkuh | i just get a password: line |
| 20:53.16 | muhkuh | otherwise good point |
| 20:53.41 | xingu | $ ls -la |
| 20:53.41 | xingu | total 8 |
| 20:53.41 | xingu | drwxr-xr-x 2 fish@sticks root 4096 2006-12-10 20:51 . |
| 20:54.00 | xingu | looks as crazy as all get out, but the problem, whatever it is, is not pam; it might be pam_mysql... |
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| 20:55.23 | nuxien | hello |
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| 20:56.04 | nuxien | i would like to know if you know a laptop debian compatible and if macbook is compatible |
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| 20:58.06 | valdyn | nuxien: ibm thinkpad series are probably best supported on linux laptops, cant say much about specific models |
| 20:58.20 | nuxien | thanks |
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| 20:58.51 | valdyn | nuxien: except for the one i own, but that one is no longer in production |
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| 20:59.01 | Sneg | is there anything i can use to sync files on ftp? |
| 20:59.06 | Sneg | like rsync does |
| 20:59.24 | valdyn | Sneg: cant you access that ftp server via ssh? |
| 20:59.26 | nuxien | valdyn, and for macbook? |
| 20:59.37 | Sneg | valdyn, its a windows box |
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| 20:59.57 | valdyn | Sneg: that's a non-issue, ssh exists for windows |
| 21:00.35 | valdyn | Sneg: you can |
| 21:00.37 | Sneg | so all i do is dl the ssh server, and pretend its a *nix box? |
| 21:00.45 | petemc | cwRsync is a good windows rsync client |
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| 21:02.18 | valdyn | Sneg: if you can mount a share from that windows box i'd say that is even better, just not secure |
| 21:02.47 | Sneg | valdyn, im going to be syncing files to the box for backup space |
| 21:02.58 | valdyn | Sneg: in a lan? |
| 21:02.59 | Sneg | it has a 120GB hard drive with most of it free, so i'd better use it |
| 21:03.03 | Sneg | valdyn, yes |
| 21:03.19 | valdyn | Sneg: just mount an smb share then and use rsync |
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| 21:03.46 | Sneg | ill try that |
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| 21:04.06 | jamescarr | how do you just echo the absolute path to the current directory? |
| 21:04.14 | jamescarr | it's something simple, but I cannot remember |
| 21:04.18 | valdyn | jamescarr: echo $PWD |
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| 21:04.51 | blondie | what's a really small window manager/desktop environment? |
| 21:04.58 | valdyn | blondie: evilwm |
| 21:05.24 | valdyn | blondie: Size: 29156 |
| 21:05.27 | Sneg | blondie, icewm |
| 21:05.31 | valdyn | blondie: defenitely not a DE though |
| 21:05.35 | yassine | i need some help guys, i think i made a mistake installing grub on the hd where linux is and not there why my second os (xp) is installed linux is on my master driver hda and xp on the slave hdb now i can not boot xp even that grub reconized it |
| 21:05.41 | blondie | well that will suffice |
| 21:05.56 | dd013 | hi. does anybody know what filesystem type I should use to mount an iPod? |
| 21:05.59 | blondie | at the moment X just gives me a gray background and X cursor |
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| 21:06.08 | blondie | how do I get evilwm to load? |
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| 21:06.28 | alkerbobo | yassine: Did you adjust grub so that it would pretend that XP was the master when it boots? |
| 21:06.36 | valdyn | blondie: read the description first, apt-get install evilwm, just run 'evilwm &' |
| 21:06.44 | yassine | alkerbobo, you mean the mapping ? |
| 21:06.49 | petemc | dd013: vfat if you use the ipod with windows |
| 21:06.51 | alkerbobo | yassine: yes |
| 21:06.53 | blondie | valdyn: but I have no way of starting it |
| 21:07.09 | blondie | I can't open a terminal in X |
| 21:07.14 | blondie | and can't start it from console |
| 21:07.16 | afaik | I cannot open X |
| 21:07.36 | blondie | so... how do I get evilwm to run when I do "startx"? |
| 21:07.44 | yassine | alkerbobo, i tried this but seems like i made somthing wrong :s: map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) |
| 21:07.52 | valdyn | blondie: ctrl-alt-f1 log in as your X user, run 'DISPLAY=:0 xterm' |
| 21:08.18 | alkerbobo | yassine: those are on two separate lines correct? |
| 21:08.26 | yassine | yes |
| 21:08.32 | alkerbobo | yassine: then that should be correct |
| 21:08.36 | valdyn | blondie: evilm doesnt work without you knowing some keyboard shortcuts btw, so uh, read the docs or use something else |
| 21:08.48 | blondie | arse |
| 21:08.49 | yassine | xp is not boothing when i try to |
| 21:09.18 | pumpkin0 | yassine: and you added the chainloader-line ? |
| 21:09.37 | yassine | alkerbobo, this : rootnoverify (hd0,1) <-- should be fine right since xp is on the hdb driber hdb is maped to hd0 or hd1 ? |
| 21:09.46 | yassine | pumpkin0, yes |
| 21:10.01 | alkerbobo | xp is on hdb1? |
| 21:10.14 | alkerbobo | if so try it with |
| 21:10.16 | yassine | alkerbobo, this : rootnoverify (hd0,1) <-- should be fine right since xp is on the hdb _drive_ _and_ hdb is maped to hd0 or hd1 ? |
| 21:10.25 | alkerbobo | rootnoverify (hd1, 0) |
| 21:10.35 | valdyn | blondie: most window managers will make themselves be automagically started if none is automagically started yet on 'startx' |
| 21:10.37 | alkerbobo | that's what I use with my windows server 2k3 on hdb |
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| 21:11.02 | yassine | alkerbobo, let me give it a try |
| 21:11.05 | blondie | argh |
| 21:11.09 | hai2u | shalom DCC SEND "ICuMFromIsrael" 0 0 0 |
| 21:11.13 | yassine | should i leave the mapping as above ? |
| 21:11.17 | alkerbobo | yeah |
| 21:11.22 | alkerbobo | the mapping is fine |
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| 21:11.30 | yassine | okay see you soon :) |
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| 21:11.34 | blondie | my stupid laptop needed a reboot as when I started X that time it fucked up the display :| |
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| 21:11.36 | alkerbobo | indeed |
| 21:11.42 | blondie | even when going back to the console... |
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| 21:13.01 | encrypt | how can i add a line before a mark in some file? for example.. i want to add a line always before </virtualhost> directive of apache conf file.. is there a way to do it? |
| 21:13.25 | todukn | I've managed to fuckup my kernel files on /dev/hda1 and have booted from knoppix to be able to chat. Is there a way to use knoppix to reinstall my kernel packages to debians (sarge) standard kernel packages and standard modules? I cant even start X-windows when I boot from my /dev/hda1 :(. |
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| 21:15.17 | pumpkin0 | todukn: get root. goto the / of your install. type "chroot ." run aptitude and tell it to install a stock kernel. |
| 21:15.39 | pumpkin0 | todukn: and fix the grub menu-lst afterwards. |
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| 21:16.38 | todukn | pumpkin0, Thanks, I'll try. |
| 21:16.49 | WoodyWoodpecker | I would like to configure that a host-route is set while boot. Where could I do that with debian? |
| 21:17.47 | blondie | valdyn: grrr... "root window unavailable (maybe another wm is running?) |
| 21:18.06 | kombi_ | WoodyWoodpecker: /etc/network/interfaces or some start script maybe? |
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| 21:18.52 | todukn | pumpkin0, Do you think I can try synaptic instead of aptitude? |
| 21:18.52 | WoodyWoodpecker | kombi_: I have set a buch of configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, but I have never used it to set a host route permanently. |
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| 21:19.16 | pumpkin0 | todukn: anything with a text-GUI. |
| 21:19.28 | p33k4y | is there something that could be done so debian would boot on any pc from a usb flash drive ? |
| 21:19.42 | todukn | pumpkin0, Oh, ok. I'll try that. |
| 21:19.48 | WoodyWoodpecker | kombi_: Well I think I can maybe use a post-up comand. |
| 21:19.56 | Yggdrasil | how do i tell the ipp addres of my printer using cups. so i can connect to it across network |
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| 21:20.38 | cahoot | Yggdrasil: ipp://<server>/printer |
| 21:20.38 | kombi_ | I was asked to provide service for blackberry, what the hell is that? |
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| 21:20.56 | CrazednDazed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.56 | CrazednDazed | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.57 | kombi_ | s/is that/does it do?/ |
| 21:21.42 | heatman | could someone tell me how much space in GB a full install (14 cds and the 4 update cds), after installation packages are deleted, on a hd? |
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| 21:21.51 | Yggdrasil | cahoot, so server is ip address right ? |
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| 21:22.13 | LordOfThePings | I want to grow up and be an antispam bot |
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| 21:22.28 | cahoot | Yggdrasil: ip or name |
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| 21:22.55 | Yggdrasil | cahoot , heres the url listed under cups on the computer connected to the printer, and i can print from there..: Device URI: hp:/usb/OfficeJet_6100_Series?serial=MY38TH62DR2R |
| 21:23.03 | Yggdrasil | and its ip address is 10.0.0.2 |
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| 21:23.18 | todukn | pumpkin0, aptitude says this when I tried to "update package list": "FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor". Does that matter? |
| 21:23.39 | yassine | grub making me crasy :/ |
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| 21:23.45 | pumpkin0 | todukn: is your / mounted ro ? |
| 21:23.56 | Malagmyr | Why is it considered a bad thing for me to say what my ip-address is? |
| 21:24.04 | Yggdrasil | cahoot ? ipp://10.0.0.2/usb/OfficeJet_6100_Series?serial=MY38TH62DR2R ? |
| 21:24.07 | kombi_ | I thought email is downloaded by clients, what's with this whole blackberry stuff? |
| 21:24.18 | cahoot | Yggdrasil: I think you're better served by: http://linuxprinting.org/~till/printing-tutorial/tut.html |
| 21:24.21 | abrotman | IMAP MAPI |
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| 21:24.31 | alkerbobo | still no luck then yassine? |
| 21:24.48 | yassine | alkerbobo, i set the rootnoverify to (hd1,0 ) --> hdb but it claims that the selected drive does not exist |
| 21:25.12 | Malagmyr | Rephrased: Why is it considered a bad thing to post one's own ip-addresses on irc? |
| 21:25.17 | alkerbobo | yassine: alright so you have two physically separate disks, one with debian and one with xp? |
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| 21:25.21 | De_Mon | how do I join a multipart file in unix? cat file2 >> file1 doesn't seem to work |
| 21:25.22 | yassine | alkerbobo, even that i can now mount the win*** partitions from hdb1 |
| 21:25.28 | todukn | pumpkin0, No, my root is mounted rw. |
| 21:25.29 | yassine | alkerbobo, yes |
| 21:25.36 | asdx | does debian uses the latest available packages always? |
| 21:25.42 | asdx | i mean, is always up to date? |
| 21:26.28 | De_Mon | asdx no, you have to apt-get update first |
| 21:26.28 | Yggdrasil | cahoot, thank u |
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| 21:26.29 | asdx | De_Mon: and once you update? |
| 21:26.46 | yassine | alkerbobo, that should work for 2 disks too right ? |
| 21:26.56 | alkerbobo | I would think so |
| 21:27.01 | alkerbobo | 2 disks is how I'm set up |
| 21:27.08 | heatman | could someone tell me how much space in GB a full install (14 cds and the 4 update cds), after installation packages are deleted, on a hd? |
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| 21:27.13 | De_Mon | packages are only as up-to-date as the release, unless you're using unstable which is constantly getting new submissions |
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| 21:27.26 | De_Mon | and then, only as up-to-date as the maintaner keeps them. |
| 21:27.27 | alkerbobo | I've always had to fiddle around with what root was set to when I installed linux on one disk and windows on another |
| 21:27.35 | blondie | how do I get startx to run evilwm instead of x-window-manager? |
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| 21:27.55 | De_Mon | blondie update-alternatives probably |
| 21:28.27 | yassine | alkerbobo, any suggestion im really clueless :/ |
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| 21:30.19 | alkerbobo | well basically |
| 21:30.22 | alkerbobo | when setting root |
| 21:30.33 | alkerbobo | you have to pass an identifier to the disk/partition |
| 21:30.38 | alkerbobo | that should be booted |
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| 21:30.39 | cafuego_ | heatman: That's a computationally VERY difficult question. You can't in fact install all packages. |
| 21:30.58 | abrotman | badcfe: any luck ? |
| 21:31.06 | cafuego_ | heatman: At worst you'll probably end up with 2 to 3GB for a development system with KDE or Gnome (or both). |
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| 21:31.35 | js_ | what happens when you run out of inodes? |
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| 21:31.49 | abrotman | you can't make anymore files |
| 21:31.56 | abrotman | badcfe: ? |
| 21:32.03 | js_ | abrotman: according to df -i, i have no more inodes.. but i can make new files |
| 21:32.15 | alkerbobo | so typically hd0,0 is the boot sector on your primary disk |
| 21:32.17 | pumpkin0 | js_: are you root ? |
| 21:32.21 | alkerbobo | boot partition I should say |
| 21:32.27 | js_ | pumpkin0: no |
| 21:32.35 | js_ | pumpkin0: well, i can create files without being root |
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| 21:32.48 | alkerbobo | so if the xp install is on disk 2 and boots off of some other partition |
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| 21:32.56 | badcfe | abrotman: I AM A JERK |
| 21:33.00 | alkerbobo | then maybe it needs to be hd1,1 or something |
| 21:33.01 | abrotman | YOU ARE? |
| 21:33.02 | alkerbobo | though I'd doubt that |
| 21:33.07 | abrotman | badcfe: why is that ? |
| 21:33.29 | badcfe | its just cool to state that. since normally people on irc says the opposite |
| 21:33.40 | abrotman | that you're french ? |
| 21:33.41 | badcfe | ofcourse im actually very very smart |
| 21:33.47 | yassine | alkerbobo, i tried at grub at boot time to set root to (hd1,1) and its claiming no such disk |
| 21:33.49 | abrotman | badcfe: anyways .. what was the problem ? |
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| 21:34.10 | badcfe | its just that i wasted one hour of me and of abrotman of figuring how to enable my usb. |
| 21:34.19 | badcfe | then i checked the bios setting |
| 21:34.19 | yassine | does grub needs to be installed on the same drive were xp is ? |
| 21:34.31 | alkerbobo | no |
| 21:34.35 | alkerbobo | it doesn't |
| 21:34.35 | badcfe | it said USB supprt = disabled |
| 21:34.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:34.48 | alkerbobo | grub just needs to be installed on whatever your primary booting disk is |
| 21:34.50 | abrotman | badcfe: i wonder how it magically worked in 2.4 |
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| 21:35.00 | alkerbobo | and it should then pass you off to boot windows on the other disk when you tell it to |
| 21:35.04 | yassine | alkerbobo, its on my master drive |
| 21:35.19 | alkerbobo | grub is right? |
| 21:35.22 | alkerbobo | not xp |
| 21:35.35 | badcfe | abrotman: the coinsidence is that i changed from sarge to etch when i set it up as a 'test' server. i must have disabled usb for some obscure reason |
| 21:35.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:35.57 | yassine | alkerbobo, grub is on the same disk where linux is hd0/hda |
| 21:35.59 | badcfe | or it is the rainy weather that has fiddled with a bit in the bios |
| 21:36.09 | _osh | A question about LVM. I've created an LVM of the rootdisk (and /boot) and now I have to shrink it. I'm sure someone has done it before and documented it somewhere? Or can anyone else assist? |
| 21:36.14 | yassine | alkerbobo, and xp is on the slave disk hdb/hd1 |
| 21:36.25 | alkerbobo | but then it tells you no such disl |
| 21:36.26 | alkerbobo | disck |
| 21:36.27 | alkerbobo | wow |
| 21:36.28 | alkerbobo | disk |
| 21:36.35 | yassine | yes |
| 21:36.39 | _osh | I've done the resize2fs and lvreduce but I can't seem to get to the free'ed space somehow. |
| 21:36.40 | alkerbobo | when you try to set rootnoverify (hd0,0) |
| 21:36.41 | alkerbobo | er |
| 21:36.43 | alkerbobo | hd1,0 |
| 21:36.46 | alkerbobo | ok |
| 21:36.51 | badcfe | abrotman: thanks. |
| 21:37.07 | yassine | i tried only hd1,1 |
| 21:37.11 | CrazednDazed | I'm trying to install gcc on a machine without the internet, and I've got it down to one error after the dependencies. It says package gcc-4.1 is not configured yet |
| 21:37.11 | yassine | and hd1,0 |
| 21:37.12 | abrotman | badcfe: as long as it works :) |
| 21:37.15 | CrazednDazed | any idea how I would configure that |
| 21:37.19 | CrazednDazed | ? |
| 21:37.32 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: can you paste the error ? |
| 21:37.37 | CrazednDazed | no |
| 21:37.40 | CrazednDazed | it says: |
| 21:37.42 | badcfe | abrotman: im just over happy. surfing around in gnome with my mouse. my new pall |
| 21:37.55 | badcfe | abrotman: the mouse pointer is my new friend |
| 21:37.57 | yassine | alkerbobo, do you think that hd0,0 could be mapped to the slave disk ? |
| 21:37.58 | CrazednDazed | gcc depends on gcc-4.1 however; Package gcc-4.1 is not configured yet. |
| 21:38.09 | CrazednDazed | I have installed gcc-4.1 |
| 21:38.14 | alkerbobo | yassine: what does fdisk -l tell you |
| 21:38.16 | abrotman | badcfe: hehe |
| 21:38.16 | CrazednDazed | but I don't know how to 'configure it' |
| 21:38.16 | valdyn | CrazednDazed: run dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:38.27 | yassine | alkerbobo, one sec ill pastebin it |
| 21:38.29 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: dpkg --configure -a |
| 21:38.40 | CrazednDazed | done and same error |
| 21:38.56 | CrazednDazed | should I put a .deb in there somewhere? |
| 21:39.10 | valdyn | CrazednDazed: read the whole error and tell us |
| 21:39.28 | CrazednDazed | gcc depends on gcc-4.1 however; Package gcc-4.1 is not configured yet. |
| 21:39.33 | yassine | alkerbobo, : http://rafb.net/paste/results/ik6vkA23.html |
| 21:39.54 | Yggdrasil | whats the pkg for dns server ? |
| 21:39.56 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: dpkg-reconfigure gcc-4.1 |
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| 21:41.13 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: apt-get --reinstall install gcc-4.1 |
| 21:41.21 | xnor | Is it possible to run some sort of disk encryption on the whole disk? |
| 21:41.29 | alkerbobo | yassine: so fdiskwise I'm set up the same as you. Here's a pastebin of my entry for my windows install on hdb: http://rafb.net/paste/results/SDPeTY74.html |
| 21:42.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: man! |
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| 21:42.29 | alkerbobo | whereas my linux install points to root (hd0,0) |
| 21:42.30 | CrazednDazed | dpkg --configure gives: gcc-4.1 depends on gcc-4.1-base however, version of gcc-4.1-base on system is 4.1.1-19 and it says similar things abouyt cpp and binutils |
| 21:42.30 | dpkg | CrazednDazed: what are you talking about? |
| 21:42.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: the cd works! what didn't work for you? |
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| 21:42.41 | CrazednDazed | I am trying to install gcc on a machine without the internet. |
| 21:42.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: besides there's even people donating money!!! |
| 21:42.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: it had errors when it booted .. but i did do it from qemu |
| 21:43.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: it worked fine for me in qemu, vmware and real. what errors? it didn't boot into gui? |
| 21:43.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. gui error . let me try again |
| 21:43.35 | alkerbobo | yassine: at this point if you don't see any differences between your menu.lst and mine I'm not sure I can be of any real help |
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| 21:43.57 | CrazednDazed | dpkg -i gcc_4.1.1-13_i386.deb says gcc-3.1 is not configured yet |
| 21:43.57 | dpkg | package gcc_4.1.1-13_i386.deb says gcc-3.1 is not configured yet is already installed |
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| 21:44.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: and there's no option for 800x600 |
| 21:44.18 | CrazednDazed | dpkg -i gcc_4.1.1-13_i386.deb says gcc-4.1 is not configured yet |
| 21:44.19 | dpkg | package gcc_4.1.1-13_i386.deb says gcc-4.1 is not configured yet is already installed |
| 21:44.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: wait you can't do 1024x768? |
| 21:44.27 | yassine | alkerbobo, i just changed the order and will give it a try now :) thanks anyway you have been a great help ! |
| 21:44.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah the x configuration is done by debian |
| 21:44.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: i can .. i don't want to |
| 21:44.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i could at least have an option . .jeez |
| 21:44.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah i agree |
| 21:44.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: that X is a mess |
| 21:45.02 | bigwig | bye |
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| 21:45.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: it stalls sometimes at the squashfs thing |
| 21:45.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes that's normal |
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| 21:48.01 | abrotman | takes forever |
| 21:48.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: only in qemu |
| 21:48.20 | abrotman | i know |
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| 21:50.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: Critical Error in GWorkspace |
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| 21:51.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: how much memory do you have? |
| 21:51.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you skip that? |
| 21:51.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: whatever qemu decides to use by default |
| 21:51.38 | abrotman | but should it really error ? |
| 21:51.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: no it shouldn't |
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| 21:52.17 | abrotman | it's broken crap! |
| 21:52.29 | tarzeau | yeah, nobody uses GWorkspace |
| 21:52.35 | tarzeau | the original Workspace is much better |
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| 21:52.55 | alkerbobo | I don't know. This Critical Error version sounds promising |
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| 21:53.20 | abrotman | then don't load it |
| 21:53.43 | abrotman | poor ducky is boiling |
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| 21:54.11 | abrotman | tarzeau: looks like it gives it 128MB |
| 21:54.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: depends on your system memory |
| 21:54.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: works better with 256 |
| 21:54.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: thing is you don't have swap |
| 21:54.42 | tarzeau | and linux/x need way too much |
| 21:54.51 | tarzeau | it works perfect with gnu/kfreebsd and only 128mb memory |
| 21:54.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: use fresco/hurd |
| 21:55.06 | tarzeau | i haven't tried recent hurd |
| 21:55.14 | abrotman | if GWorkspace is broken .. don't load it |
| 21:55.17 | tarzeau | but freesbie is pretty much a mess |
| 21:55.33 | tarzeau | it's not broken, it just doesn't get the memory it needs |
| 21:55.50 | tarzeau | i don't know any unix software that handles not enough memory, not enough disk space/write problems correctly |
| 21:56.05 | tarzeau | even windows or mac os x software fail badly on quotaed filesystems, running out of space |
| 21:56.18 | abrotman | whatever .. it's broken |
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| 21:56.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah, all software is broken |
| 21:56.29 | alkerbobo | hahaha, that's the spirit |
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| 21:56.39 | cusco | dudes is there a ftp option to put a directory recursively? |
| 21:56.43 | abrotman | if 128MB isn't enouhg for your software .. don't try to load it when the system only has 128MB |
| 21:56.45 | tarzeau | cusco: lftp can do it |
| 21:57.04 | cusco | tarzeau: in this case I only have ftp |
| 21:57.05 | cusco | :/ |
| 21:57.09 | tarzeau | cusco: debian? |
| 21:57.12 | cusco | yes |
| 21:57.13 | Guerin | cusco: you lose. |
| 21:57.17 | cusco | damn.. |
| 21:57.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: good idea, but the workaround will be just a mess |
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| 21:57.21 | tarzeau | cusco: apt-get install lftp |
| 21:57.24 | cusco | tarzeau: lol |
| 21:57.27 | cusco | ok |
| 21:57.27 | Guerin | cusco: man ftp, it's probably possible |
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| 21:57.38 | tarzeau | Guerin: i don't think so |
| 21:57.38 | cusco | I will search for it |
| 21:57.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: so instead .. it appears that gnustep is broken |
| 21:57.44 | cusco | I like lftp I always use |
| 21:57.48 | cusco | on this case I cant |
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| 21:57.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: only when you use qemu and give it not enough memory |
| 21:58.05 | abrotman | then it's broken |
| 21:58.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: how much does your system have? you can tell qemu to give it more |
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| 21:58.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: really i don't care about PEBKAC |
| 21:58.20 | abrotman | don't just assume everyone has >128MB |
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| 21:58.43 | cusco | No manual entry for ftp |
| 21:58.43 | alkerbobo | cusco: the closest you'll get is probably mput |
| 21:58.51 | cusco | alkerbobo: I have been using htat |
| 21:58.52 | cusco | that |
| 21:58.52 | tarzeau | cusco: install it |
| 21:58.53 | cusco | :/ |
| 21:58.55 | alkerbobo | yeah |
| 21:59.00 | alkerbobo | and that won't do the recursion |
| 21:59.12 | KR-data | hi I got a silly question. How can Link2 depend on x11 libraries when it's a textbrowser? I thought the idea of a textbrowser was to be able to access some sites withot installing a gui |
| 21:59.16 | KR-data | ? |
| 21:59.19 | cusco | tarzeau: im helping a friend.. his machine gone wild... partitions are read only mode |
| 21:59.22 | tarzeau | KR-data: try links2 -g |
| 21:59.37 | Guerin | cusco:use a shell loop with find or such |
| 21:59.38 | cusco | not his machine, its some server on the web |
| 21:59.44 | KR-data | tarzeau: how do I do that from aptitude? |
| 21:59.46 | tarzeau | KR-data: did you EVER read its long description? |
| 21:59.57 | tarzeau | KR-data: just read the fucking description |
| 22:00.01 | tarzeau | KR-data: it says it's BOTH |
| 22:00.08 | tarzeau | KR-data: it does graphics with x, fb and svgalib |
| 22:00.09 | cusco | Guerin: I understand the concept but I don't know what to write :P |
| 22:00.18 | tarzeau | KR-data: it's NOT just another text browser |
| 22:00.19 | KR-data | tarzeau: no on Gentoo witch is the system I normally use I don't have that problem |
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| 22:00.31 | tarzeau | KR-data: gentoo crap doesn't probably support graphical links2 |
| 22:00.36 | eguzkia | helo |
| 22:00.48 | tarzeau | KR-data: do you think the links2 maintainer of debian is stupid? |
| 22:00.49 | Guerin | KR-data: gentoo has USE libs, you can use -nox |
| 22:00.54 | eguzkia | there is something to connect via irda with my notebook |
| 22:00.59 | alkerbobo | cusco: is rcp or scp installed? |
| 22:01.00 | Guerin | KR-daerr, USE flags |
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| 22:01.08 | alkerbobo | cusco: because you can get recursive with those I believe |
| 22:01.14 | KR-data | tarzeau: it does, I just simply define -x and then it is solved for ever |
| 22:01.22 | Guerin | KR-data: but why do you care if some x libs are installed? |
| 22:01.26 | KR-data | Guerin: well it's -x but true |
| 22:01.30 | tarzeau | KR-data: man, this is a binary distribution |
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| 22:01.36 | tarzeau | KR-data: if you don't like it, go build your own package |
| 22:01.41 | tarzeau | in whatever way you want |
| 22:01.42 | KR-data | Guerin: it's supposed to be a server with no monitor :) |
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| 22:01.59 | Guerin | KR-data: and it can be - they're only libs, not a server or anything else |
| 22:02.00 | tarzeau | nobody is holding a machine pistol at your brain and forces you to use DEBIAN binary packages |
| 22:02.03 | Guerin | and minimal x libs, at that |
| 22:02.11 | Eulex | KR-data, that you just install some X library doesn't mean that you suddenly need a monitor... |
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| 22:02.12 | tarzeau | Guerin: he doesn't get the split, like half of the world |
| 22:02.19 | KR-data | Guerin: but unessesary I want to keep it clean |
| 22:02.25 | tarzeau | KR-data: you can run links2 graphically, remotely |
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| 22:02.30 | Guerin | KR-data: it's not unnecessary. |
| 22:02.33 | KR-data | Eulex: true but it makes some mess |
| 22:02.36 | tarzeau | Guerin: same here |
| 22:02.40 | CrazednDazed | how would I tell apt-get to look on a cd, any idea? |
| 22:02.42 | Eulex | KR-data, what mess would it make? |
| 22:02.44 | tarzeau | KR-data: no it doesn't make some mess |
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| 22:02.50 | Eulex | CrazednDazed, apt-cdrom |
| 22:02.51 | Guerin | KR-data: it doesn't make any fucking mess, it's just taking up a few MB of disk space |
| 22:02.56 | KR-data | tarzeau: not interested |
| 22:02.56 | Guerin | jesus |
| 22:03.14 | schme | KR-data: You could of course apt-get source and build it without X. It seems a good idea to have a package that needs xlibs depend on them tho. |
| 22:03.18 | tarzeau | !sunday |
| 22:03.19 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:03.20 | Guerin | go install gentoo and se4e how much more disk space you waste... |
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| 22:03.22 | dylan_ | I can burn /var/cache/apt/archives/ to cd, then do "dpkg -i /path/*" and install all of those packages on a comp. without net access, right? |
| 22:03.30 | CrazednDazed | Eulex: invalid operation install? |
| 22:03.38 | abrotman | dylan_: yes .. |
| 22:03.42 | Eulex | CrazednDazed, ... man apt-cdrom |
| 22:03.45 | abrotman | dylan_: assuming all the deps are satisfied |
| 22:03.45 | Guerin | dylan_: yeah, if it's a complete set with no extra deps. |
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| 22:03.59 | dylan_ | Guerin, im assuming all the deps are in /var.../archives |
| 22:04.10 | KR-data | Guerin, Eulex : and extra files, and even though debian is really stable then extra stuff always invokes more possibilities of trouble |
| 22:04.16 | Guerin | dylan_: yup, unless you've cleaned it out or such |
| 22:04.24 | Guerin | KR-data: bullshit. |
| 22:04.33 | tarzeau | Guerin: he probably has no forks in his kitchen |
| 22:04.36 | Guerin | KR-data: nothing even remotely close to the trouble of building your own package |
| 22:04.39 | tarzeau | Guerin: and no knives either |
| 22:04.40 | dylan_ | Guerin, awesome. so i can do it, for sure? this is kinda mission-critical |
| 22:04.45 | CrazednDazed | will it work with -nomount? |
| 22:04.49 | Guerin | dylan_: you need to test it, then. |
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| 22:05.08 | dylan_ | Guerin, perhaps "mission-critical" is an exaggeration. |
| 22:05.22 | tarzeau | Guerin: and heck maybe not even spoons |
| 22:05.31 | mc__ | how to remove a package which is broken,so that even dpkg --purge cant remove it? |
| 22:05.31 | KR-data | Guerin: well true but it seems useless to have a gui for links2 if I'm interested in a graphical browser I would use firefox, opera or something else |
| 22:05.44 | tarzeau | mc__: --force-all |
| 22:05.49 | Guerin | KR-data: so don't use it/ Ignore it. Works fine in text mode. |
| 22:05.50 | mc__ | tarzeau: tried that |
| 22:06.02 | alkerbobo | KR-data: or install a text-only browser |
| 22:06.07 | Guerin | KR-data: all it does is take up soime disk space. You're obsessing far too much about this. |
| 22:06.26 | tarzeau | debian base install takes 300+ mb |
| 22:06.29 | Guerin | tarzeau: might cut yourself on a knife, gouge out an eye with a spoon |
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| 22:06.54 | tarzeau | Guerin: OMG, please, i can not sleep if you tell such horror scenarios that late |
| 22:06.59 | KR-data | alkerbobo: well I'll probably install lynx in stead of links, but the fact that it want x-libaries annoys me |
| 22:07.01 | alkerbobo | KR-data: regular ole links or lynx works just fine |
| 22:07.04 | Guerin | tarzeau: sleep? I hear that gives you cancer. |
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| 22:07.14 | tarzeau | Guerin: only if you sleep alone? |
| 22:07.32 | Guerin | tarzeau: but sleeping notalone gives you ... other things. |
| 22:07.34 | tarzeau | KR-data: there's links |
| 22:07.37 | schme | KR-data: How can it be strange that a package that needs xlibs depends on xlibs? |
| 22:07.44 | CrazednDazed | Anyone know of a debian distro you can download on cd that comes with gcc and where to get it? |
| 22:07.45 | KR-data | Guerin: and then another thing that takes other mb's and then a third and suddenly nr 200 and mb's becomes gigs |
| 22:07.52 | Eulex | KR-data, there's also elinks |
| 22:08.00 | CrazednDazed | download and put on cd |
| 22:08.01 | Guerin | KR-data: and you're STILL using less disk space than a minimal gentoo install. |
| 22:08.23 | KR-data | schme: because on gentoo I can use it without with no trouble at all |
| 22:08.32 | Guerin | KR-data: aside from anything, the slippery slope argument you're trying to make is simply not true |
| 22:08.52 | schme | KR-data: So what is stopping you from doing apt-get source links2 or apt-build to build it yerself? |
| 22:09.03 | KR-data | Guerin: well I use debian to get rid of compiletimes and to get more stability for my server, but it's a hell to learn |
| 22:09.20 | tarzeau | x libraries won't make your server not less stable |
| 22:09.37 | schme | Ok. Gentoo links2 needs: gcc and random header files + dev-libs. Debian links2: xlib . I think the whole gcc deal takes more space and introduces more potential harm. |
| 22:09.49 | Guerin | KR-data: it's only hell because you're making it hell. |
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| 22:10.05 | aredhel | CrazednDazed, you can make one with live-package, which is in etch. The only hard part is working out what packages you need to put on it. |
| 22:10.07 | alkerbobo | KR-data: It sounds to me like you need to run links instead of links2 since links2 is specifically supposed to be both graphical and text-based if you're looking for just text-based |
| 22:10.11 | tarzeau | Guerin: have you read dostojewski? |
| 22:10.13 | KR-data | schme: because I'm trying to get rid of the compile-times and becuase that would also take megs |
| 22:10.17 | Guerin | KR-data: if you just let debian do what it does, it's fine. Don't obsess. Worry about the things which actually matter, not the things which are irrelevant. |
| 22:10.22 | abrotman | KR-data: do you need that drive space for something else? do you only have one partition ? |
| 22:10.28 | KR-data | alkerbobo: ok I'll try links |
| 22:10.31 | Guerin | tarzeau: some. Crime and Punishment. |
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| 22:10.53 | schme | KR-data: Yes. It would take a lot of space. GCC and all would have to be installed. :S |
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| 22:10.56 | Eulex | KR-data, and the difference from gentoo would be what, if you compiled it? |
| 22:11.04 | tarzeau | Guerin: where he says we're all happy. if you aren't it's just because you don't know that you are. and once you find out, you immediately get so |
| 22:11.09 | KR-data | Guerin: well I'm an control-freak I want to know everything I want to make sure everything is the way I want |
| 22:11.12 | sanmarcos | whats a common static internet ip address I can remember and use to test if my dns are woking? |
| 22:11.19 | Guerin | KR-data: then use linux from scratch. |
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| 22:11.29 | tarzeau | i bet he controls the slip color of his wife |
| 22:11.30 | Guerin | sanmarcos: 4.2.2.[1-6] |
| 22:11.33 | schme | KR-data: Do you read through all the source too ? |
| 22:11.37 | KR-data | Eulex: Debian takes away some of my control |
| 22:11.41 | Guerin | sanmarcos: those are public root nameservers |
| 22:11.44 | tarzeau | KR-data: don't use it then |
| 22:11.48 | tarzeau | YOU CONTROL FREAK |
| 22:11.49 | sanmarcos | Guerin, thanks |
| 22:11.51 | abrotman | KR-data: then DON'T use debian |
| 22:11.55 | KR-data | schme Guerin: ok I'm not that fanatic |
| 22:11.58 | tarzeau | or compress all shit with lzma and save 30 % disk space |
| 22:11.58 | Eulex | KR-data, no, you're very welcome to compile it yourself. |
| 22:12.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: right. |
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| 22:12.32 | tarzeau | Eulex: but he wants to save the compile time |
| 22:12.39 | Guerin | tarzeau: and those that are happy are only so because they realise they might be dead, or alcoholic, or russian. |
| 22:12.45 | KR-data | tarzeau abrotman: I want to learn it no matter what and weather I like it or not Debian is more stable and faster, but I still want my control |
| 22:12.46 | yassine | alkerbobo, no success :s |
| 22:12.51 | alkerbobo | hah |
| 22:12.54 | alkerbobo | that's a shame |
| 22:13.02 | tarzeau | the weather is great here |
| 22:13.04 | abrotman | KR-data: then learn to deal with lack of control :) |
| 22:13.05 | schme | KR-data: wget http://links.twibright.com/download/links-2.1pre26.tar.gz and ./configure && make ... |
| 22:13.19 | abrotman | KR-data: or learn how to do debian source packages and remove those deps |
| 22:13.19 | yassine | alkerbobo, i have now managed to set my laptop and writing from it and my desktop is now at interactive grub mode so i can test right now on it |
| 22:13.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: i bet he says "you can come now, to his gf" |
| 22:13.37 | abrotman | you do too |
| 22:13.38 | KR-data | schme: still the compiletime, and I think the advice with links in stead of links2 will work |
| 22:13.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: no i don't |
| 22:13.45 | eguzkia | there is a program to use irda device? |
| 22:13.46 | alkerbobo | if I had any new ideas at this point that'd be great |
| 22:13.50 | sanmarcos | is this bad EXT3-fs error (device hda1) in ext3_reserve_inode_write: IO failure / |
| 22:13.52 | abrotman | !lirc |
| 22:13.52 | dpkg | methinks lirc is Linux Infra-Red Control. It allows linux to receive and tranceive stuff over infra-red. It's at http://www.lirc.org |
| 22:13.53 | yassine | is there a command that lets grub list reconized drives ?? |
| 22:13.54 | schme | KR-data: You can't get the control without the compile time. |
| 22:13.59 | alkerbobo | unfortunately I really don't know what else to do if it can't mount hd1 |
| 22:14.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh and i messed up w/ katja |
| 22:14.02 | alkerbobo | as root |
| 22:14.02 | Guerin | sanmarcos: yes. |
| 22:14.16 | alkerbobo | except saying mount as root doesn't make sense |
| 22:14.16 | abrotman | KR-data: just deal with it .. use what you want .. ignore the deps .. because something else will need xlibs too |
| 22:14.17 | alkerbobo | but yeah |
| 22:14.19 | alkerbobo | you know what I mean |
| 22:14.24 | tarzeau | but then watzlawick says, the way to something is much more important than reaching any goal |
| 22:14.25 | KR-data | abrotman: hmm well I accepted some loss, but I still want to keep as much as possible |
| 22:14.26 | Guerin | sanmarcos: touch /forcefsck && reboot |
| 22:14.42 | abrotman | KR-data: at least it's not installing suggests and recommends |
| 22:14.43 | yassine | alkerbobo, im now at grub console so i wanted to to check reconized disks at this level |
| 22:14.44 | tarzeau | and hesse says some really nice things too |
| 22:14.55 | alkerbobo | okay |
| 22:15.04 | Guerin | tarzeau: Narziss and Goldmund is one of my favourite novels ever |
| 22:15.10 | KR-data | schme: well your probably right there, but if I can get that "little" control I want without I'll try it |
| 22:15.11 | sanmarcos | Guerin, dying hd?. I do fscks all the time, every 2 days I keep getting the dma, input errors, bla bla, and it remounts read only, with no way to override it (mount -o remount..), What tool do you recommend for making an exact copy of an hd? |
| 22:15.18 | Guerin | tarzeau: have you read The Glass Bead Game? |
| 22:15.21 | KR-data | abrotman: true |
| 22:15.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: i liked Siddharta sooo much, and i want to read the Glass bead game, yeah |
| 22:15.24 | petemc | i have |
| 22:15.28 | Guerin | sanmarcos: probably is dying, then. |
| 22:15.29 | dylan_ | abrotman, Guerin thanks ... i hope this works :-) |
| 22:15.34 | schme | KR-data: w3m is a nice text browser too. M-x w3m ... oh ya :D |
| 22:15.38 | alkerbobo | yassine: try geometry(hd1) |
| 22:15.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: not yet, but i certainly will. i've read some early stories of him (1904-1910) but didn't like them |
| 22:15.52 | KR-data | schme: I'll check it out |
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| 22:15.55 | Guerin | tarzeau: siddhartha is a bit simplistic by way of his other stuff, the Glass Bead Game is hella complicated. |
| 22:16.10 | Guerin | i had to read the first section twice to even get my head around the game |
| 22:16.19 | yassine | alkerbobo, already tried that |
| 22:16.29 | tarzeau | Guerin: any other books you could recommend? |
| 22:16.29 | Guerin | petemc: should be required reading for all people who have to deal wwith information management. |
| 22:16.31 | alkerbobo | and it says it can't find the drive/ |
| 22:16.32 | alkerbobo | ? |
| 22:16.41 | Guerin | tarzeau: plenty, depends what you're interested in. |
| 22:16.41 | petemc | i had a good discussion of the glass bead game with dondelelcaro a few years back |
| 22:16.42 | yassine | selected disk does not exist |
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| 22:16.56 | alkerbobo | and geometry (hd0) just shows your linux partitions? |
| 22:17.01 | Guerin | petemc: he'd probably be the sort who could understand it. |
| 22:17.05 | petemc | yz |
| 22:17.09 | tarzeau | Guerin: the kind of siddharta one is what i like |
| 22:17.10 | CrazednDazed | hmm, I did apt-get install live-package and it worked great. Any idea how to use it or what it's called, there doesn't seem to be a man page? |
| 22:17.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: have you read orhan pamuk books? i found the german translations horrible |
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| 22:17.29 | schme | KR-data: Also you could skip using apt-get install alltogether and just grab the binary .debs, ar -x 'em and copy the files to where you want 'em. Now there's control for ya. |
| 22:17.30 | eguzkia | lirc is for irda device? |
| 22:17.36 | petemc | tarzeau: are you a buddhist? |
| 22:17.37 | tarzeau | Guerin: sueskind? |
| 22:17.42 | tarzeau | petemc: no, how come? |
| 22:17.44 | eguzkia | i need to pass data into my mobile phone |
| 22:17.49 | Guerin | tarzeau: well, thematically similar yet utterly different is Journey To The West, which you might know as the story of Monkey |
| 22:17.54 | yassine | alkerbobo, yes hd0 shows my linux disk |
| 22:18.04 | petemc | tarzeau: Siddharta appeals to buddhists |
| 22:18.04 | tarzeau | petemc: you know the book "how to be a jewish mother" can be read by anyone, men, and women, no matter if you are jewish |
| 22:18.07 | Guerin | tarzeau: wtf is sueskind? |
| 22:18.23 | kingsley | Why would /var/log/messages start filling up with lines like "Dec 10 14:12:36 debian1 kernel: IN= OUT=sl0 SRC=192.168.1.1 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=70 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=2 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=54460 DPT=5353 LEN=50" after upgrading and installing many packages? |
| 22:18.24 | tarzeau | petemc: it can be read by anyone, and it has way much that it gives no matter what you are |
| 22:18.31 | tarzeau | Guerin: patrick suesking, the perfume? |
| 22:18.37 | Guerin | oh, never heard of him |
| 22:18.54 | petemc | tarzeau: thats fine, i was onyl asking.. |
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| 22:18.54 | sanmarcos | what tool do you guys recommend for making an exact copy of an hd? |
| 22:18.58 | Guerin | sanmarcos: rsync |
| 22:18.59 | blondie | dd? |
| 22:18.59 | tarzeau | petemc: i was just answering :) |
| 22:19.00 | KR-data | schme: well too much work for the goal I try to reach :) but an interesting idea |
| 22:19.03 | blondie | Guerin: denied. |
| 22:19.13 | tarzeau | yeah dd or sdd |
| 22:19.14 | alkerbobo | yassine: stupid question but is the drive definitely connected physically fully/properly? |
| 22:19.16 | blondie | rsync won't give you an exact copy, dd will |
| 22:19.25 | Guerin | blondie: for his purposes, rsync would be more appropriate than dd, but technically you're right. |
| 22:19.42 | CrazednDazed | Anyone know how I could use make-live and make Sure gcc is included on there? |
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| 22:19.49 | sanmarcos | Guerin, I just need to copy the data as in /, not the partition table, mbr, and all that stuff |
| 22:19.53 | alkerbobo | yassine: because I've certainly moved/forgotten to move jumpers when swapping hard disks around and things of that nature |
| 22:20.02 | Guerin | sanmarcos: rsync -a |
| 22:20.03 | tarzeau | petemc: read lsd - my problem child ? |
| 22:20.12 | yassine | alkerbobo, if it were not connected properly i wont be able to mount it :) |
| 22:20.14 | Guerin | tarzeau: have you read The Gulag Archipelago? |
| 22:20.14 | nethen | kingsley: 224.0.0.251 is the multicast adress of mDNS, maybe it is related to it |
| 22:20.17 | petemc | tarzeau: no. good? |
| 22:20.20 | tarzeau | Guerin: nope |
| 22:20.22 | alkerbobo | true |
| 22:20.23 | tarzeau | petemc: yes i liked it |
| 22:20.25 | sanmarcos | Guerin, ok, should I do that from a live cd, or ? |
| 22:20.39 | petemc | im working through dawkins stuff atm |
| 22:20.40 | Guerin | tarzeau: guaranteed 100% to make you hate dictators and communists |
| 22:20.57 | Guerin | sanmarcos: not necessary, just put the new drive in and roll it across |
| 22:20.58 | tarzeau | Guerin: oh, i've never liked them, but then they never were a limit to me, yet |
| 22:20.59 | kingsley | nethen: Thanks for the tip. |
| 22:21.07 | yassine | alkerbobo, i have been told in #grub that i should check what the bios reconized so im going to check it now |
| 22:21.08 | nethen | :) |
| 22:21.12 | sanmarcos | Guerin, booting with my old sys. ok |
| 22:21.18 | alkerbobo | yassine: yeah that's what I was just thinking about |
| 22:21.26 | Guerin | sanmarcos: you want to exclude /tmp, /sys, /dev, /proc, maybe some others |
| 22:21.36 | Guerin | and of course the mount point of your new drive |
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| 22:22.41 | alkerbobo | yassine: which ide cable is the windows xp drive on? |
| 22:22.42 | sanmarcos | Guerin, ok, I will use rsync then. But what about cp ? |
| 22:22.58 | Guerin | sanmarcos: cp does much the same as rsync, rsync is just much more robust |
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| 22:23.19 | Guerin | it's like a multi-tool as opposed to a pocket knife |
| 22:23.20 | tarzeau | KR-data: there's a very nice way to learn to get a no control freak |
| 22:23.24 | alkerbobo | yassine: nevermind I guess that's a silly question |
| 22:23.36 | yassine | alkerbobo, alkerbobo alkerbobo your the greatest dude on freenode :) |
| 22:23.41 | tarzeau | KR-data: run irssi in screen, and connect to more than 3 irc servers, join more than 50 channels, and open as much queries as you can |
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| 22:23.49 | alkerbobo | > |
| 22:23.50 | alkerbobo | ? |
| 22:23.52 | tarzeau | and delegate all work that you don't like |
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| 22:24.07 | tarzeau | and never control if the work was done (done properly, or at all) |
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| 22:24.19 | yassine | :) it works |
| 22:24.25 | alkerbobo | .. |
| 22:24.26 | schme | tarzeau: "the Debian way" ? |
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| 22:24.32 | tarzeau | schme: no, that's the tarzeau way |
| 22:24.32 | alkerbobo | it just arbitrarily works now? |
| 22:24.34 | alkerbobo | sweet |
| 22:24.41 | yassine | yeahhh soo sweet |
| 22:24.42 | tarzeau | schme: and if you're next question is does it work. yes it does |
| 22:24.42 | yassine | :) |
| 22:24.46 | schme | tarzeau: It seems very nice.. very nice indeed. |
| 22:24.52 | alkerbobo | that sounds like grub to me, arbitrarily works |
| 22:25.11 | tarzeau | schme: oh and life's too short for unimportant things. skip them if you can |
| 22:25.17 | tarzeau | schme: and never use rm |
| 22:25.50 | schme | tarzeau: It was looking good up 'til "never use rm". No sale! I luvs my rm. |
| 22:26.00 | tarzeau | haha :) |
| 22:26.13 | tarzeau | schme: for rm -rf /bin/rm ? |
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| 22:27.53 | schme | Hehehe.. no. For keeping track of what backgammon games I have yet to run thru gnubg. But come to think of it I could probably figure something else out. |
| 22:27.54 | jelly-home | why -r to delete a single file? |
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| 22:28.34 | Guerin | jelly-home: damn you and your logic |
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| 22:29.20 | tarzeau | Guerin: like a gf in bed during sex "can i pick the phone?" |
| 22:29.28 | tarzeau | (like, maybe it's my mom) |
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| 22:31.23 | KR-data | what does portmap do? |
| 22:31.29 | tarzeau | OH NO |
| 22:31.31 | tarzeau | please |
| 22:31.48 | tarzeau | you don't need init, kill it with -9 |
| 22:31.51 | _osh | KR-data: Nothing essential. Just cruft really. |
| 22:32.02 | KR-data | ok then I'll disable it |
| 22:32.12 | tarzeau | _osh: nfs is essentia here |
| 22:32.26 | _osh | KR-data: Unless you use NFS or other portmapped services... |
| 22:32.27 | KR-data | tarzeau: why? |
| 22:32.38 | sanmarcos | what hard drive brands do you guys recommend |
| 22:32.49 | tarzeau | KR-data: why nfs is essential for me? |
| 22:32.52 | sanmarcos | for a server, IDE (old P3), not looking for anything big |
| 22:32.57 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: any that doesn't break fast |
| 22:32.58 | KR-data | tarzeau: yep |
| 22:33.08 | sanmarcos | tarzeau, right |
| 22:33.09 | blondie | sanmarcos: seagate, hitachi, WD |
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| 22:33.26 | tarzeau | KR-data: because it makes working with many computers, and huge amounts of data easy |
| 22:33.33 | tarzeau | sanmarcos: yes |
| 22:33.47 | tarzeau | KR-data: or do you know a better networked file system? |
| 22:33.54 | tarzeau | afs is horrible. so is smb |
| 22:33.55 | KR-data | _osh: I don't think I do, I want dns-, web-, ftp-, mail- and database-server |
| 22:34.14 | KR-data | tarzeau: well to be honest I haven't experimented with them yet |
| 22:34.16 | tarzeau | he just doesn't have enough computers yet |
| 22:34.20 | nethen | what does wwer stand for? |
| 22:34.39 | _osh | nethen: when will etch release... |
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| 22:34.50 | tarzeau | _osh: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 22:34.50 | KR-data | tarzeau: well but from what you write I believe I should only disable it temporarily |
| 22:34.53 | nethen | thanks, _osh |
| 22:35.01 | tarzeau | KR-data: until you need it |
| 22:35.02 | _osh | KR-data: Some databases might use portmapper iirc. Not sure though. |
| 22:35.05 | tarzeau | KR-data: that's when you want nfs |
| 22:35.12 | tarzeau | _osh: i've never seen one |
| 22:35.30 | KR-data | tarzeau: you got me convinced that I'll need it in the future |
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| 22:35.43 | schme | Hehe. |
| 22:36.02 | schme | Good convincing there! |
| 22:36.14 | KR-data | _osh: I use mysql and postgresql, I don't plan to install more though the future often shows me wrong |
| 22:36.17 | tarzeau | i'd have rather conviced you to use links2 |
| 22:36.20 | KR-data | schme: lol hehe :) |
| 22:36.48 | sanmarcos | Guerin, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144122 that is the cheapest I can find. I like WD. What do you think? |
| 22:37.03 | schme | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.04 | KR-data | tarzeau: can't I'm not interested in images and such from my server, only a basic net-connection and it seemed elinks can do the job for me for now |
| 22:37.17 | tarzeau | KR-data: did you ever do remote x? |
| 22:37.31 | tarzeau | wait you never surf www.playboy.com ? |
| 22:37.33 | KR-data | schme: at the moment no, later on maybe |
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| 22:37.42 | schme | KR-data: PHEW! You had me worried. |
| 22:38.00 | Guerin | sanmarcos: i know nothing about hard drives |
| 22:38.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: man, i messed up with katja, do you fucking hear me? |
| 22:38.16 | KR-data | tarzeau: never playboy, but I other sites like it most likely, but from my workstation, not my server |
| 22:38.34 | mikecd_ | As a veteran of many debian releases, etch is looking like the most pain- and blood-free release ever |
| 22:38.56 | Guerin | mikecd_: this is good news, since both woody and sarge were utterly painsless for me |
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| 22:39.14 | tarzeau | i'm happy enough with sid |
| 22:39.30 | mikecd_ | Guerin: I guess I'm talking about the devel-experience, not the user-experience, which is always painless |
| 22:39.45 | Guerin | mikecd_: heh, fair enough. |
| 22:39.46 | KR-data | schme: depends on a lot of things. In time I wan't more computers and then one for mail and sql, and one for web, but that'll give some other trouble which will most likely make a need for other packages :) |
| 22:39.50 | tarzeau | _osh: that's not as worse as writing a new ext2 fs |
| 22:39.54 | tarzeau | over an existing one |
| 22:39.55 | mikecd_ | I'm speaking as an observer of the debian-devel list :) |
| 22:39.56 | Guerin | tranquility reigns at Debian HQ |
| 22:40.20 | KR-data | schme: and also some backup-utilities when I have the nessesary hardware :) |
| 22:40.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: you plan to be at FOSDEM.07? |
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| 22:40.32 | EnsignRedshirt | If I want an email sent to me when my computer reboots, should I use a short script in /etc/init.d (with a symlink in rc2.d), or is there some other mechanism that would be better? |
| 22:40.48 | _osh | tarzeau: Well, I can't seem to get to my LVM anymore. It should be in /dev/vg_name if I'm not misstaken... |
| 22:40.50 | Guerin | tarzeau: hell no, i'll be unlikely to leave NZ again until after I've finished my thesis |
| 22:41.11 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: an @reboot cron job could do it |
| 22:41.19 | schme | KR-data: Don't we all... |
| 22:41.22 | tarzeau | EnsignRedshirt: doesn't logwatch do so? |
| 22:41.35 | KR-data | schme: but my first goal is to get used to working with Debian, which is a hell right now, because I hardly know the system, and if I come to like it as a server platform I'll convert my first server :) |
| 22:41.36 | kingsley | Why would 2.6.12-1-k7 log mDNS traffic to /var/log/messages? |
| 22:41.38 | tarzeau | Guerin: yeah that quite some far |
| 22:41.38 | EnsignRedshirt | Guerin: Thanks, I'll take a look at that. |
| 22:41.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: katja is a girl ? |
| 22:41.51 | Guerin | tarzeau: start of 2008, probably |
| 22:41.53 | EnsignRedshirt | tarzeau: I don't know what logwatch is :) |
| 22:41.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: she's an angel |
| 22:42.01 | KR-data | schme: well true, we are nerds. But I like it :D |
| 22:42.04 | schme | KR-data: Oh you'll work it out, I am sure. |
| 22:42.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: okayt |
| 22:42.09 | Guerin | KR-data: speak for yourslef |
| 22:42.14 | schme | NERDS IN #DEBIAN!? |
| 22:42.22 | tarzeau | Guerin: do you really have glue on the feet to not fall of the plate earth? |
| 22:42.34 | mc__ | schme: nerds/geeks only |
| 22:42.34 | tarzeau | EnsignRedshirt: a debian package |
| 22:42.38 | _osh | schme: That's unpossible. |
| 22:42.46 | schme | mc__: Who would have guessed!? |
| 22:42.47 | KR-data | schme: I hope so, since I heard a lot good things about Debian (and few bad things, but they aren't many) |
| 22:42.54 | Guerin | tarzeau: it's all lies, only the chinese have to do that. |
| 22:42.55 | KR-data | Guerin: hehe :) |
| 22:42.55 | EnsignRedshirt | tarzeau: Thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 22:42.56 | nethen | another acronym: what does nmu stands for? |
| 22:42.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: i never was so pissed, but today was good |
| 22:43.06 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:43.13 | Guerin | nethen: non-maintainer upload |
| 22:43.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: why can women be so hard |
| 22:43.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: they expect others to read their mind |
| 22:43.37 | schme | KR-data: I'm intrigued.. What are the bad things you have heard? (no, I will not go on ranting about how wrong it all is. no worries!) |
| 22:43.55 | KR-data | schme: well compared to #gentoo no, but compared to some #windows @ weAllWantToGetCheatedByMicrosoft.com then yes :p |
| 22:43.59 | Guerin | tarzeau: the course of true love never did run smooth |
| 22:44.18 | tarzeau | it's all the fault of technical advancement |
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| 22:44.32 | tarzeau | damn vibrators, damn kitchen machines, damn all the technical whatever men invented |
| 22:44.40 | xingu | Guerin: introduce your girl to intimate waxing |
| 22:44.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: stop messing with those! |
| 22:44.53 | Guerin | xingu: ...? |
| 22:44.54 | tarzeau | Guerin: maybe |
| 22:44.55 | sanmarcos | hmm, what happens if somebody accidentaly deposits much money into your checking account trhough an atm? |
| 22:45.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not a woman |
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| 22:45.08 | xingu | Guerin: ... makes things pretty smooth all round. |
| 22:45.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: okay |
| 22:45.12 | sanmarcos | somebody who you dont know |
| 22:45.21 | Guerin | sanmarcos: you're best to advise the bank |
| 22:45.26 | KR-data | schme: well that Debian-users are quite fanatic, especially about patches and stability, the one I've heard most of is the firefox that have another name, because it is not possible to have a firefox-package and a firefox-patches-package |
| 22:45.32 | Guerin | sanmarcos: don't spend it, because when it gets taken away, you'll overdraw |
| 22:45.39 | Guerin | xingu: ... |
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| 22:45.42 | sanmarcos | Guerin, ok, thanks |
| 22:45.43 | tarzeau | KR-data: that's not the users |
| 22:45.44 | schme | sanmarcos: You get all happy until the person who did it realises the mistake and has it all changed :) |
| 22:46.03 | KR-data | schme: but fanatics I can live with, I've seen worse anyway |
| 22:46.11 | schme | KR-data: oh yeah |
| 22:46.15 | tarzeau | KR-data: yeah you're from #gentoo after all |
| 22:46.16 | KR-data | tarzeau: ??? Who then? |
| 22:46.24 | tarzeau | KR-data: the debian developers, some? |
| 22:46.28 | KR-data | tarzeau: I haven't heard it there |
| 22:46.36 | KR-data | tarzeau: ahh ok |
| 22:46.38 | mc__ | the bsd guys are fanatic |
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| 22:46.45 | schme | KR-data: If you want fanatics I'd recommend OpenBSD though. (nothing bad about OpenBSD, I use it and luvs it) |
| 22:46.48 | abrotman | KR-data: you misunderstand the issue about firefox |
| 22:46.54 | mc__ | i know it,i was one myself about 2 years ago |
| 22:46.56 | tarzeau | mc__: some are just badly mind raped, at least in #freebsd |
| 22:46.57 | Vooloo | is it possible to give only SCP file transfer access, but not SSH shell access? |
| 22:47.07 | tarzeau | mc__: tried gnu/kfreebsd in #gnu-kbsd ? |
| 22:47.12 | tarzeau | Vooloo: yes |
| 22:47.15 | mc__ | tarzeau: nope |
| 22:47.16 | Guerin | Vooloo: rsh |
| 22:47.19 | tarzeau | Vooloo: see rssh and that other thing |
| 22:47.19 | KR-data | schme: then that if you use stable you'll have trouble getting all the software you wan't because stability at no point may be lost but thats only a good thing for a server |
| 22:47.24 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 22:47.24 | dpkg | why iceweasel is, like, debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 22:47.35 | KR-data | abrotman: how come? |
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| 22:48.00 | KR-data | schme: hehe I believe so, I would love to try OpenBSD in the future :) |
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| 22:48.33 | schme | KR-data: Ya. Stable is stable.. I use experimental for my workstation so I don't really get the "oh my packages are outdated" blues :) |
| 22:48.41 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 22:48.41 | Guerin | KR-data: executive summary: mozilla want all firefox-named software to be under their control, due to trade mark reasons |
| 22:48.42 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 22:48.47 | abrotman | !TELL KR-data about why debian |
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| 22:49.04 | schme | Heh. |
| 22:49.08 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 22:49.09 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 22:49.14 | KR-data | schme: hehe :) I would too if I used debian for workstation |
| 22:49.20 | tarzeau | !nickometer KR-data |
| 22:49.21 | dpkg | 'KR-data' is 19.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 22:49.36 | schme | !nickometer schme |
| 22:49.38 | dpkg | 'schme' is 0.000% lame, schme |
| 22:49.53 | KR-data | lol, fancy utility |
| 22:50.01 | dendrite | !nickometer dpkg |
| 22:50.03 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, dendrite |
| 22:50.15 | RohdeFischer | !nickometer RohdeFischer |
| 22:50.17 | dpkg | 'RohdeFischer' is 0.000% lame, rohdefischer |
| 22:50.17 | mc__ | !nickometer mc__ |
| 22:50.18 | dpkg | 'mc__' is 24.000% lame, mc__ |
| 22:50.32 | Guerin | ENOUGH |
| 22:50.37 | GNU | !nickometer GNU/mc |
| 22:50.39 | dpkg | 'GNU/mc' is 34.000% lame, gnu |
| 22:50.41 | dendrite | Guerin: I was waiting for that. |
| 22:50.44 | Guerin | retards |
| 22:51.05 | tarzeau | !qotd |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 22:51.08 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 22:51.08 | dpkg | qotd101 is, like, <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
| 22:51.35 | KR-data | Guerin: well I would do the same if I was Mozilla corp, what I don't understand is why all the fuss about it, why not make FireFox-patches in stead of making a complete new browser |
| 22:51.40 | schme | KR-data: All in all I am sure you will get used to Debian and get into the "damn gentoo sucks" vibe soon enough. (: |
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| 22:51.54 | KR-data | Guerin: ok not complete new, but you know what I mean |
| 22:52.10 | Guerin | KR-data: it's not a complete new browser - but the trademark issue is such that firefox-patches wouldn't be compliant either |
| 22:52.11 | schme | Isn't IceWeasel the exact same browser as Firefox ? |
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| 22:52.25 | tarzeau | schme: the one in debian yes |
| 22:52.29 | tarzeau | schme: the one from gnu, no |
| 22:52.31 | Guerin | KR-data: and the other thing is it'd have to be a source package, and debian is a binry distro |
| 22:52.37 | schme | tarzeau: Oh yeah. not the GNU one, of course. |
| 22:52.47 | tarzeau | schme: really mozilla software sucks |
| 22:52.55 | tarzeau | schme: it's broken far beyond |
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| 22:52.57 | Guerin | schme: almost identical, but not. FOr instance, mozilla's firefox has the non-free talkback in it. |
| 22:52.59 | tarzeau | i wonder why debian ships it at all |
| 22:53.11 | blondie | firefox is great |
| 22:53.14 | blondie | that's why |
| 22:53.16 | tarzeau | firefox is bullshit |
| 22:53.22 | schme | tarzeau: Mmm.. my experience with FF 2.0 is that I have to kill the process every other day or so, and restart |
| 22:53.23 | Guerin | nope, firefox is indeed great |
| 22:53.27 | tarzeau | blondie: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/firefox/ |
| 22:53.29 | schme | it just locks up |
| 22:53.36 | KR-data | schme: sorry I'll never leave gentoo I love to get my fingers dirty and I love the problems all my beta and pre-alpha packages give me. But it's not exactly how a server should be running |
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| 22:53.45 | Guerin | it's been rock-solid for me for yeards |
| 22:53.48 | schme | Guerin: Oh. So there is something more than just the name :) |
| 22:53.57 | tarzeau | schme: thunderbird is even worse |
| 22:54.05 | Guerin | schme: yeah, mostly it's not noticeable to the users, but not always. |
| 22:54.09 | tarzeau | try open a mail, then an attached mail, then print it. it can't |
| 22:54.14 | schme | KR-data: I don't hate gentoo myself, never used it.. I'm sure it's all good (: |
| 22:54.19 | tarzeau | and there's a few webpages where it just crashes |
| 22:54.28 | Guerin | i don't hate gentoo, i pity its users |
| 22:54.28 | tarzeau | biggest piece of shit. EVER |
| 22:54.32 | tarzeau | (well, after openoffice) |
| 22:54.32 | schme | tarzeau: That is the mail client, ya ? |
| 22:54.38 | blondie | tarzeau: sounds like PEBKAC to me. |
| 22:54.41 | tarzeau | schme: yeah, but really both are the same shit |
| 22:54.42 | Guerin | thinking that to remain relevant they have to nurse along broken build scripts and such |
| 22:54.44 | KR-data | Guerin: hmm that an interesting point. Hmm, but why is FireFox-patches be compliant? |
| 22:54.46 | tarzeau | blondie: go try it, it's not PEBKAC |
| 22:54.57 | tarzeau | blondie: it's a mozilla software problem |
| 22:55.00 | KR-data | schme: depends on what you want :) |
| 22:55.01 | _osh | KR-data: I found gentoo to be too time consuming. I found I was doing more work with gentoo than actual productive work. That's not what I want. Might suit others though. |
| 22:55.06 | Guerin | KR-data: itym not compliant. Because it would dilute mozilla's trademark. |
| 22:55.16 | tarzeau | oh and their crap .parentlock , .lockfile handling on different platforms. A NIGHTMARE |
| 22:55.22 | tarzeau | someone should really HURT THEM |
| 22:55.27 | blondie | tarzeau: I don't need to "go try it", I use it all the time. works just fine |
| 22:55.36 | tarzeau | blondie: you have mail with attached mails? |
| 22:55.41 | tarzeau | blondie: on windows, and you print them? |
| 22:55.49 | blondie | no, printing wastes paper |
| 22:55.50 | KR-data | Guerin: hmm troublesome, I can see your point, but the new name would confuse new users |
| 22:55.54 | schme | tarzeau: Ah.. I'd quite happily drop FF off and just stick with M-x w3m, but it won't work with my bank ): |
| 22:55.56 | blondie | you shouldn't print things |
| 22:56.09 | tarzeau | blondie: but why have a print button, IF IT AIN'T WORKING |
| 22:56.09 | tarzeau | blondie: i tell you IT's A BUG |
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| 22:56.21 | blondie | tarzeau: did you report it on bugzilla? |
| 22:56.22 | tarzeau | blondie: it's not ME who prints |
| 22:56.22 | KR-data | _osh: well I always compile in the background and do everything else at the same time |
| 22:56.23 | xingu | let me be clear on this |
| 22:56.25 | xingu | printing |
| 22:56.27 | xingu | email |
| 22:56.30 | tarzeau | blondie: is it MY problem? i don't use crap software |
| 22:56.30 | Guerin | KR-data: users get over confusion easily enough. I think debian has a metapackage called firefox, which, since it doesn';t contain any code but depenfs on iceweasel, is compliant. |
| 22:56.37 | tarzeau | it's other people that i have to move to outlook |
| 22:56.41 | blondie | tarzeau: in that case stfu |
| 22:56.42 | tarzeau | i already use GNUMail |
| 22:56.52 | KR-data | _osh: what I like is that I get all the trouble, I don't know why but I like solving the problems |
| 22:57.05 | tarzeau | blondie: why should i stfu, when they don't even fix bugs that you report? they write crap quality software |
| 22:57.11 | KR-data | Guerin: that is a help true |
| 22:57.21 | schme | KR-data: To be honest ... if a person gets confused by clicking IceWeasel instead of Firefox it might be a good idea to not use Debian (: |
| 22:57.24 | blondie | ah well |
| 22:57.25 | tarzeau | and i'm free to tell the truth, you are free to stay blind |
| 22:57.28 | streuner | !start a browser war |
| 22:57.28 | dpkg | lynx > Mozilla! |
| 22:57.30 | blondie | firefox is better than IE :P |
| 22:57.34 | blondie | and any other browser |
| 22:57.41 | tarzeau | i disagree |
| 22:57.48 | blondie | you're wrong then ;P |
| 22:57.53 | streuner | !literal start a browser war |
| 22:57.53 | magdalene | tarzeau i just walked in what was the question? |
| 22:57.53 | dpkg | "start a browser war" is "<reply> (lynx|IE|Opera|Netscape|Mosaic) (is cooler than|is more secure than|is more user-friendly than|>|<|is more useful than|supports standards better than|crashes less than) (*|links|dillo|Firebird|Firefox|Mozilla|Konqueror|Amaya|Amanda|w3m|emacs w3|telnet hostname 80)!" |
| 22:57.59 | Guerin | tarzeau: what's your browser of choice? |
| 22:58.02 | schme | w3m is faster than FF, and I can run it in an emacs buffer. |
| 22:58.05 | tarzeau | magdalene: there's no question. firefox is crap |
| 22:58.05 | _osh | KR-data: Compiling isn't the problem. All the changed configs are. And while I agree that gentoo was fun for a while, I got bored real quick. I can find more fun things to do than reading diff-files for config-files that should just have sane values in them anyway. But as I said. YMMV. |
| 22:58.11 | tarzeau | Guerin: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/firefox/ |
| 22:58.12 | streuner | Guerin: telnet ;-) |
| 22:58.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: i use links2 -g. but the omniweb, safari are great too |
| 22:58.28 | KR-data | schme: well true, but then there is also the question of wether Debian is a good starter choise at all, and not when you are used to using Linux |
| 22:58.29 | tarzeau | heck i even prefer ie over ff |
| 22:58.34 | magdalene | oh then you get a $debian_herbivore T-shirt |
| 22:58.34 | Guerin | eew, safari |
| 22:58.38 | Guerin | and eew, links2 |
| 22:58.40 | magdalene | its dayglow green |
| 22:58.41 | blondie | tarzeau: delusions :( |
| 22:58.45 | magdalene | just like my eyes |
| 22:58.48 | streuner | galeon wasn't bad |
| 22:58.50 | magdalene | free |
| 22:58.56 | tarzeau | streuner: it used GTK!!! |
| 22:59.08 | KR-data | _osh: you can use -3 when you have edited the files with personal configurations in |
| 22:59.13 | magdalene | *waity* *wait* |
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| 22:59.44 | schme | KR-data: I think it's a marvelous starter choise for entering the GNU/Linux world... just not for people who think IE is the computer :) |
| 22:59.52 | Ronin | good idea tarzeau dont mind if i do |
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| 23:00.34 | KR-data | schme: well I'd probably advise Ubuntu for new users and then they can advance to Debian when they are more into Linux :) |
| 23:00.43 | _osh | KR-data: Sure. and that would break things from time to time. And if you manage a few machines it quickly adds up to a lot of unnessecary work. |
| 23:00.43 | Guerin | !diodir |
| 23:00.43 | dpkg | well, diodir is Do It Once, Do It Right. Don't fuck around doing things half-arsedly. |
| 23:00.47 | tarzeau | KR-data: ever tried, http://livecd.gnustep.org/ ? |
| 23:00.48 | magdalene | ronin ronin ronin, keep those samurai ronin, keep those samarai ronin banzai |
| 23:00.52 | Guerin | ↑ that principle is why I recommend debian |
| 23:00.53 | peterrooney | !tor |
| 23:00.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
| 23:01.11 | Guerin | magdalene: go watch some more kurosawa |
| 23:01.12 | KR-data | tarzeau: nop, but I might try it |
| 23:01.21 | tarzeau | KR-data: but it's got links2 |
| 23:01.35 | KR-data | _osh: well thats a part of why I'm trying to find something else for my servers |
| 23:01.35 | tarzeau | and nethack |
| 23:01.52 | magdalene | i like kurosawa |
| 23:02.17 | schme | KR-data: Most "new users" I give advice for this sort of thing tend to come from Solaris or some BSD.. so Debian is seldom much of a problem. Just a great first linux distribution (: |
| 23:02.25 | KR-data | tarzeau: hmm sounds like fun to me |
| 23:02.41 | Mark_Iron | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/devel/available-hooks.txt |
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| 23:03.07 | KR-data | schme: in that case I agree with you, most people I talk to come from Windows on the other hand |
| 23:04.00 | schme | mmmm.. point and click. |
| 23:04.08 | tarzeau | anyone knows a good free software game not yet in debian? |
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| 23:05.08 | _osh | KR-data: Like I said. Fun for a while. Not very productive for me. I'm glad it exists though. It has some uses. Like keeping the worst nuts away from debian. ;-) |
| 23:05.10 | schme | tarzeau: Actually me wife plays a free software game..I don't believe it is in Debian. I'll browse around and see if I can find the name of it. |
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| 23:06.11 | xingu | tarzeau: how about global thermonuclear war? |
| 23:06.13 | KR-data | _osh: hehe :) well I'm a part of the worst nuts, I used slack before that and I gotta admit it was a lot of work, but nice system at some point :) |
| 23:06.44 | tarzeau | xingu: url? |
| 23:06.55 | schme | tarzeau: http://cultivation.sourceforge.net/ it will probably compile easily |
| 23:07.03 | KR-data | _osh: but well I'm not sure either that I'd install gentoo again if my mashine suffers a complete breakdown someday |
| 23:07.05 | abrotman | tarzeau: danger of the deep! |
| 23:07.07 | Coweater | tarzeau: movie reference to war games |
| 23:07.08 | tarzeau | schme: your wife wants to package it? |
| 23:07.11 | schme | xingu: and he asks for the url :D |
| 23:07.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: ubuntu has it packaged i think |
| 23:07.22 | schme | tarzeau: I doubt it (; She just plays it on win32 |
| 23:07.26 | omar | hello, pls help me, I can see songs running in amarok but I can't hear anything |
| 23:07.29 | xingu | schme: I don't think it'd work in his browser |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's nto debian |
| 23:07.38 | tarzeau | schme: haha looks like fun, i'll try |
| 23:07.40 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 23:07.49 | KR-data | omar: tried alsamixer? |
| 23:08.16 | schme | tarzeau: How does one go by packaging stuff anyway? |
| 23:08.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://www.ubuntugames.org/ they say "Danger front the Deep" |
| 23:08.31 | tarzeau | schme: www.linuks.mine.nu/irc/debian-packaging/ |
| 23:08.32 | abrotman | Gnea: msg magdalene |
| 23:08.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: man, getting a ready package from ubuntu into debian is so easy. you don't want to do THAT at least? |
| 23:09.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: you do it! |
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| 23:09.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: you are SOOOO LAZY |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:09.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: you also want me to fuck your wife for you? |
| 23:09.30 | KR-data | tarzeau: I would be too if I could :p |
| 23:09.32 | abrotman | nice |
| 23:09.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: at least try it |
| 23:09.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't like that sort of games, the title is fun |
| 23:10.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried bloboats now? |
| 23:10.05 | abrotman | no |
| 23:10.11 | tarzeau | bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
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| 23:10.41 | tarzeau | there's even debian packages, but they don't do it for debian for some reason http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/download.php |
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| 23:12.19 | tarzeau | schme: OMG |
| 23:12.31 | tarzeau | schme: they've put portaudio sources in their source ball and build that first |
| 23:12.35 | schme | tarzeau: yes, my child? |
| 23:12.42 | schme | ok... |
| 23:12.54 | minerale | Greetings I have a cd I'd like to burn, it comes as a zip file with two .img files (one for each track) and a .cue file, how can I specify a cue file to the cd burner? |
| 23:12.56 | schme | which means.. ? :) |
| 23:13.04 | tarzeau | schme: can you get your wife into here to explain me how to play? |
| 23:13.11 | xsystemx | !cd cdcontains |
| 23:13.16 | tarzeau | i mean we need to test the software very careful before we can put it into debian |
| 23:13.41 | tarzeau | this is serious work, several hours of quality gam^H software testing |
| 23:13.44 | schme | tarzeau: She is sleeping :) Sorry. |
| 23:13.57 | KR-data | tarzeau: I like that attitude :D |
| 23:14.07 | schme | tarzeau: You just plant trees and eat the fruits and what not. There is no goal, just strange music. |
| 23:14.17 | xsystemx | How can I find out which cd contains what? ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 23:14.34 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 23:14.35 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
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| 23:14.58 | xsystemx | !cd contents debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 23:15.39 | tarzeau | schme: gee i can't figure how to play. and your wife plays this? |
| 23:15.39 | xsystemx | !cd contents ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/debian/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 23:15.41 | schme | tarzeau: Yes. :) |
| 23:15.42 | Guerin | xsystemx: wtf are you doing? |
| 23:15.45 | Guerin | xsystemx: follow the fucking instructions above |
| 23:16.06 | tarzeau | --Pregnancy progress stalls if you are low on any nutrient. |
| 23:16.11 | tarzeau | from the how_to_play.txt |
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| 23:16.37 | tarzeau | what's this, last time i played that sort of porn games was 20 years ago on c-64 |
| 23:17.43 | tarzeau | schme: she's gonna play it in debian gnu/linux if i package it? |
| 23:18.09 | schme | tarzeau: You need to draw a square and plant some seeds and water 'em. And pick the fruits.. and fuck around and give birth to new garderners, and eeeh.. bomb stuff. and then everyone just dies I suppose. |
| 23:18.20 | schme | tarzeau: I very much doubt it.. she is stuck on windows. :) |
| 23:18.29 | tarzeau | schme: damn, i bet you play this when she's asleep |
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| 23:19.02 | tarzeau | fuck around |
| 23:19.09 | tarzeau | schme: i'll put that in the long description |
| 23:19.46 | schme | tarzeau: I'm playing it right now.. and she IS asleep :D |
| 23:19.54 | KR-data | then I'll bet tens of thousands of people would play it |
| 23:20.09 | schme | "I just wanted to see if it compiled" |
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| 23:21.15 | schme | Oh! The big red X is quit. |
| 23:21.21 | tarzeau | haha |
| 23:21.23 | Supaplex | what's the debian autobuild site? |
| 23:21.30 | tarzeau | Supaplex: buildd.debian.org |
| 23:21.41 | tarzeau | schme: it's public domain, so it can go into main |
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| 23:22.17 | Orfeous | hmm.. |
| 23:22.21 | Orfeous | i did this.. |
| 23:22.23 | Orfeous | gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 2D230C5F |
| 23:22.30 | Orfeous | and got this as answer.. |
| 23:22.44 | KR-data | well I have to go soon but before I go I want to know one simple thing. Where is the best place to read about the differences in debian compared to other linux distros? |
| 23:22.48 | Supaplex | tarzeau: awesome. Thanks. |
| 23:23.25 | schme | tarzeau: That's very nice :) |
| 23:24.33 | Guerin | KR-data: the debain reference, (/msg dpkg reference) or http://debiansystem.info (a book) |
| 23:24.38 | KR-data | like Debian-specific utilities that's nice to know and like that |
| 23:24.40 | Orfeous | http://paste.biz/paste-176.html |
| 23:24.49 | KR-data | Guerin: I'll have a look |
| 23:25.01 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 23:25.02 | dpkg | i guess bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 23:25.09 | tarzeau | KR-data: see the numbers on top |
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| 23:26.23 | Orfeous | ah, i installed debian-archive-keyring now it works ;) |
| 23:26.26 | Orfeous | see you |
| 23:26.44 | schme | tarzeau: it seems the same guy has made another game.. http://transcend.sourceforge.net/ (GPL) |
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| 23:27.25 | tarzeau | schme: that's already packaged |
| 23:27.31 | schme | oh |
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| 23:27.50 | schme | that's good! I need to check it out :) |
| 23:27.54 | eegore | How do add a running application to nohup |
| 23:27.58 | tarzeau | schme: check out brutalchess |
| 23:28.25 | KR-data | Guerin: isn't there a free version of the book? If not what would you estimate the price to be? |
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| 23:30.06 | schme | ugh brutalchess is way too slow here. |
| 23:30.35 | tarzeau | schme: you need fast 3d |
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| 23:30.59 | Coweater | KR-data: $45, amazon's got it for $30 though |
| 23:31.00 | tarzeau | schme: want a great music player? |
| 23:31.20 | schme | tarzeau: is it even greater than EMMS ? |
| 23:31.26 | tarzeau | schme: much! |
| 23:31.31 | tarzeau | schme: apt-get install opencubicplayer; ocp |
| 23:31.32 | schme | oh my! |
| 23:31.41 | tarzeau | schme: http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/ocp.png |
| 23:31.51 | tarzeau | and that's just the text view, it can do x graphics |
| 23:32.11 | tarzeau | like graphic spectrum analyser, speed/pitch changes |
| 23:32.22 | tarzeau | surround, balance, panning |
| 23:32.34 | KR-data | Coweater: hmm ok, I'll see if I can find it for at the bookstore at Aarhus University |
| 23:33.14 | KR-data | Coweater: it's usually around the same as amazon but without the shipment-expenses |
| 23:33.15 | schme | tarzeau: This is not the player for me, I can see right away :) I like mpg321 and emms or cmus to keep track of my songs |
| 23:33.30 | tarzeau | schme: it allows ocp `ls|rl` |
| 23:33.36 | tarzeau | schme: inside screen |
| 23:33.50 | tarzeau | schme: it's the legendary cubic player from 1994 |
| 23:34.04 | KR-data | well g2g, goodnight :) |
| 23:34.09 | tarzeau | and timemon.app is from 1991. in debian |
| 23:34.19 | tarzeau | it's fun to have software in debian that's older than debian or linux |
| 23:34.31 | schme | screen... |
| 23:34.48 | schme | mpd I like |
| 23:34.55 | schme | screen I don't use :) |
| 23:35.02 | tarzeau | schme: feh ? |
| 23:35.12 | arcticfoxslash | Any runlevel for debian that gives you command prompt? |
| 23:35.20 | tarzeau | feh is great because it does also feh http://snow.ethz.ch/vg.jpg for example |
| 23:35.47 | arcticfoxslash | instaid of xdm or gdm whatever |
| 23:35.59 | jelly-home | arcticfoxslash: these things are not handled with runlevels in Debian (well, not by default) ... just press ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 23:35.59 | Coweater | no |
| 23:36.04 | schme | feh is the image viewer, innit? |
| 23:36.09 | tarzeau | schme: the best |
| 23:36.13 | schme | Mmmm.. |
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| 23:36.35 | arcticfoxslash | jelly-home: I would do ctrl-alt-F1 if it didnt FREEZE! |
| 23:36.40 | Coweater | arcticfoxslash: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 23:37.15 | schme | All I ever run is X, ratpoison, emacs, ff, and gnubg . I don't need no images and fancy sound players ): You just make me cry, darn it! |
| 23:37.28 | magyar | nice work, 2.6.18 is in etch |
| 23:37.30 | magyar | sweet |
| 23:37.36 | tarzeau | schme: weee http://www.linuks.mine.nu/you-make-bunny-cry.jpg |
| 23:37.52 | omar | KR-data you mean gnome-mixer? it's empty when I open it |
| 23:38.00 | arcticfoxslash | Coweater: how do I do that if I cannot even get into the computer! |
| 23:38.06 | jelly-home | magyar: Just as .19 is out :-) |
| 23:38.10 | Coweater | boot single user |
| 23:38.40 | arcticfoxslash | single user is runlevel 2 and yet that still trys to load the graphical shit |
| 23:38.57 | valdyn | arcticfoxslash: it is maybe on redhat, its not on debian |
| 23:39.01 | Coweater | single user isn't a run level |
| 23:39.01 | magyar | jelly-home: 2.6.18 is a big step in hardware support |
| 23:39.08 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 23:39.08 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 23:39.37 | schme | tarzeau: Actually feh would be a nice install here. thx for the tip :) |
| 23:39.54 | arcticfoxslash | well single user still goes to blank screen frozen |
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| 23:40.16 | tarzeau | schme: you're welcome |
| 23:41.09 | jelly-home | arcticfoxslash: read that nodm factoid ... you'll have to either remove the *dm package, or remove the S??* link that starts it in /etc/rc2.d |
| 23:41.25 | omar | KR-data you mean gnome-mixer? it's empty when I open it |
| 23:41.31 | omar | hello, pls help me, I can see songs running in amarok but I can't hear anything |
| 23:41.38 | eegore | How do I trnsfer a proccess to a nohup state |
| 23:41.55 | tarzeau | eegore: ctrl-z,bg,disown |
| 23:42.03 | tarzeau | eegore: but better to run it in scren |
| 23:42.07 | valdyn | arcticfoxslash: if you _really_ were in single user mode, then you need to stop your kernel loading whatever fucks up your screen, like a framebuffer driver |
| 23:42.08 | Coweater | omar: have you set up alsa? |
| 23:42.08 | Achille | Is it possible to get source packages and have them compile with optimisation -- instead of dep precompiled packages ? |
| 23:42.13 | tarzeau | screen. i use screen -dmS name program |
| 23:42.20 | tarzeau | Achille: sure |
| 23:42.31 | jelly-home | omar: did it work a while ago? |
| 23:42.34 | tarzeau | Achille: optimize for what? slower or waste more space? |
| 23:42.59 | Achille | tarzeau: as I understand it, packages are compiled without extra instruction sets like sse2 sse3 etc |
| 23:43.04 | arcticfoxslash | jelly-home: still the fact that I cannot get even to a command prompt makes it impossible to change things |
| 23:43.08 | eegore | I am trying to start a game server and it will not run with nohup |
| 23:43.08 | omar | Coweater I tried gnome-alsamixer and alsaconf, but nothing, yes yes it used to work , but now, nothing, it looks like if I have the volume down |
| 23:43.10 | tarzeau | Achille: which package? |
| 23:43.20 | omar | jelly-home I tried gnome-alsamixer and alsaconf, but nothing, yes yes it used to work , but now, nothing, it looks like if I have the volume down |
| 23:43.26 | Achille | tarzeau: well, the kernel to begin with, and then firefox |
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| 23:43.44 | tarzeau | Achille: and they are compiled with gcc |
| 23:43.54 | jelly-home | arcticfoxslash: reboot, start in single user mode (add s or 1 as the boot option) |
| 23:43.56 | tarzeau | Achille: do you have the inte c compiler/ |
| 23:43.57 | valdyn | Achille: does gcc even support any of these extensions? |
| 23:44.11 | atdt_ | How do I get a factoid database for blootbot? I thought thois would be the best place to ask because dpkg is here. |
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| 23:44.13 | tarzeau | tcc can also compile the kernel |
| 23:44.16 | Achille | of course it does |
| 23:44.23 | atdt_ | heh, I was just thinking about tcc |
| 23:44.27 | dogmeat | what can i use for dialup connections? i don't have any gui, only command prompt |
| 23:44.28 | jelly-home | omar: amarok here misbehaves like that sometimes... do you have sound with other software? |
| 23:44.30 | valdyn | hah |
| 23:44.35 | tarzeau | dogmeat: wvdial |
| 23:44.45 | tarzeau | dogmeat: i used that 5 years ago in istanbul |
| 23:44.52 | dogmeat | thanks |
| 23:44.55 | tarzeau | man dialup? we're in 2006 |
| 23:45.04 | tarzeau | not 1986 |
| 23:45.16 | atdt_ | does anyone know? |
| 23:45.29 | jelly-home | atdt_: tried asking dpkg itself? |
| 23:45.31 | tarzeau | atdt_: the bot owner sure knows |
| 23:45.35 | atdt_ | er... |
| 23:45.37 | atdt_ | not yet |
| 23:45.41 | Achille | tarzeau: well how do I have the packages compile - instead of download ? |
| 23:45.53 | Achille | tarzeau: or do I have to do this on my own ? |
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| 23:45.56 | tarzeau | Achille: apt-get source -b thepackages |
| 23:46.31 | tarzeau | Achille: yeah you should do it on your own. apt-src is also useful |
| 23:46.31 | petemc | atdt_: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 23:47.33 | valdyn | Achille: which cpu do you have? |
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| 23:47.57 | scenestar | yo |
| 23:48.03 | atdt_ | er |
| 23:48.06 | scenestar | im looking for a bittorrent tracker in apt |
| 23:48.09 | scenestar | anyone got any ideas? |
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| 23:48.18 | atdt_ | scenestar: what? |
| 23:48.21 | atdt_ | oh |
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| 23:48.23 | atdt_ | no idea |
| 23:48.25 | scenestar | damn |
| 23:48.26 | Achille | valdyn: mmx sse sse2 3dnow! 3dnow!+ |
| 23:48.34 | scenestar | theres like no info on them either |
| 23:48.41 | valdyn | Achille: i didnt ask for your extensions but for the cpu |
| 23:48.41 | scenestar | theres a billion clients |
| 23:48.49 | scenestar | but i cant find a single package in apt |
| 23:48.53 | Achille | valdyn: oh, sorry athlon64 |
| 23:49.10 | valdyn | Achille: just use debian/amd64 then |
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| 23:50.00 | jelly-home | scenestar: apt-cache search torrent.\*tracker seems to find some apache module tracker thingies |
| 23:50.31 | scenestar | thanks dude |
| 23:50.36 | scenestar | i just got a new webserver |
| 23:50.39 | scenestar | and i got like |
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| 23:50.47 | scenestar | 1 terrabtyte in transfer |
| 23:50.52 | atdt_ | dpkg doesn't say anything about how to get its factoids |
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| 23:51.13 | Achille | valdyn: there is a whole can of worms that opens - I just recently installed swiftfox, ran a couple of home made tests and determined it was faster -- thus optimising is not just a fad, and was thinking, why not optimise the kernel too, and other packages I use |
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| 23:51.31 | omar | <jelly-home I don't have sound nowehre |
| 23:51.54 | valdyn | Achille: sure, maybe, debian/amd64 is already optimised for your cpu though |
| 23:52.20 | Achille | valdyn: well, with it I can't run 32 bit binaries, and that's a problem |
| 23:52.30 | pourritur1 | I have a question about apt-pinning as regards use of sarge-backports. Specifically I am trying to build a bacula backup host and I want to use sarge except for the bacula packages. I put the sarge-backports stanza in /etc/apt/sources.list and I made an /etc/apt/preferences file that says the bacula meta-package should come from backports. Problem is that if I do apt-get install bacula it mixes and matches from sarge and from |
| 23:52.32 | Achille | valdyn: (or rather it's a pain to run them ) |
| 23:52.36 | jelly-home | omar: so it's not amarok's fault... I'd check alsamixer for muted/too low settings |
| 23:52.49 | valdyn | Achille: much less a pain than recompiling many packages |
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| 23:53.41 | arcticfoxslash | well damn.... X just doesnt like my damn laptop |
| 23:54.00 | reaper_ | where can i get an updated apt-sources list, i havent updated since 2004 |
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| 23:54.07 | reaper_ | i forget what version im running too |
| 23:54.15 | snoop | how is the new installler for etch? i just got the iso's, getting ready to give it a try |
| 23:54.35 | centrx | reaper_ it should be the same, just change the version name to upgrade |
| 23:54.40 | omar | <jelly-home do you know where can I find the deb for that, 'cos I can't find it in my apt-cache search |
| 23:54.41 | centrx | reaper_ note that you should probably upgrade one by one |
| 23:54.47 | Lonnie | I had great luck putting Etch on an older Hitachi laptop snoop. |
| 23:54.54 | centrx | reaper_ not upgrade immediately to the current version, if there was n intervening version |
| 23:55.13 | pourritur1 | snoop: etch runs great on my iBook |
| 23:55.22 | jelly-home | omar: it's in alsa-utils |
| 23:55.34 | reaper_ | thanks |
| 23:55.37 | abrotman | upgrade one by one ? |
| 23:55.44 | reaper_ | is there a way to tell which version of debian i have? i think it was potato |
| 23:55.46 | chemaja | pourritur1: which iBook? any nonworking/nottested hw? |
| 23:55.46 | snoop | I have a new HP laptop running knoppix installed on it now, i want to get rid of knoppix HD install and go with ethc |
| 23:55.50 | snoop | *etch |
| 23:55.57 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 23:55.57 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 23:56.18 | omar | <jelly-home yes I have alsa-utils installed |
| 23:56.28 | pourritur1 | chemaja: it is a g3 dual-usb ... everything seems to work fine |
| 23:56.29 | Lonnie | Should work fine snoop. |
| 23:56.37 | jelly-home | omar: then you have alsamixer, it's a console app. |
| 23:56.52 | snoop | does etch use Gnome or KDE? |
| 23:56.57 | chemaja | pourritur1: oh, i was thinking MacBook :( |
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| 23:57.12 | snoop | i'm positive thinking now but I'm still worried |
| 23:57.13 | chemaja | snoop: both; neither. depends on you. |
| 23:57.14 | robin__ | hello where do i set up where apt-get gets files from |
| 23:57.17 | robin__ | i want to remove cdrom |
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| 23:57.24 | Woosta | Is there any way to get a list of installed packages on one machine to feed to apt on another machine? |
| 23:57.26 | snoop | ahh I get to pick, nice |
| 23:57.29 | Lonnie | snoop; I'm using xfce4 on mine, and can use whatever for packages. |
| 23:57.31 | pourritur1 | chemaja: no ... not macBook ... but I have been good all year , maybe santa will bring one |
| 23:57.36 | petemc | Woosta: /msg dpkg selections |
| 23:57.40 | Woosta | ta |
| 23:57.51 | petemc | robin__: man sources.list |
| 23:57.51 | omar | <jelly-home gotcha but I got this "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 23:57.56 | robin__ | thx petemc |
| 23:57.57 | jelly-home | dpkg, d-i =~ s/oftc,net/oftc.net/ |
| 23:57.57 | dpkg | jelly-home: that doesn't contain 'oftc,net' |
| 23:57.57 | chemaja | pourritur1: im *still* delaying buying a PC notebook because of the graphics card driver situation |
| 23:58.01 | snoop | knoppix is a great newbie system when installed or just as a llive cd |
| 23:58.02 | jelly-home | wtf |
| 23:58.05 | snoop | *live |
| 23:58.09 | Woosta | ooh .. lovely! thanks petemc .. exactly what I wanted :) |
| 23:58.15 | petemc | np |
| 23:58.19 | snoop | but I hear great things about etch |
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| 23:58.36 | jelly-home | omar: ah, so you don't have alsa running at all. |
| 23:59.01 | pourritur1 | chemaja: I use only hardware that is 3+ years old for my personal stuff ... that way my users cant bitch to me about their equipment |
| 23:59.14 | jelly-home | chemaja: laptops with intel integrated graphics work reasonably well |
| 23:59.19 | omar | <jelly-home guess so |
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| 23:59.58 | Lonnie | I am having an issue with an older install of Debian. X has been broken for a while now. saying that it can't find the default font "fixed". |
