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| 00:00.32 | Achille | valdyn: wait, is there more to it then simply apt-get source -b <packagename> ? |
| 00:00.34 | snoop | alrighty...hopefully next time I'm here I will be on etch....cheers |
| 00:00.38 | Lonnie | Not a real issue as I only is used to crunch Folding At Home work units, but still, would like to fix it. |
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| 00:01.26 | chemaja | jelly-home: yea; i really need to get off my butt and visit a laptop shop with the latest koroaa or something |
| 00:01.27 | pourritur1 | so ... my first foray into apt-pinning can't be a bust ... do I need a line in preferences for each dependency??? |
| 00:01.34 | omar | jelly-home how to run alsa? |
| 00:01.50 | jelly-home | omar: dunno... it works for me |
| 00:02.00 | Lonnie | Best there snoop, I like Etch, was an easy install and has, so far, worked perfectly on my old hardware. |
| 00:02.25 | snoop | thanks take it is easy see everyone later |
| 00:03.18 | jelly-home | omar: maybe "/msg dpkg alsa one-liner", "/msg dpkg alsa" might help |
| 00:03.28 | reaper_ | is it ok to use stable main these days? or is it still horribly out of date |
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| 00:03.37 | reaper_ | i was using test/unstable long ago |
| 00:03.38 | jelly-home | reaper_: it's still old |
| 00:04.19 | reaper_ | is there an example of an updated sources.list somewhere? |
| 00:04.59 | jelly-home | reaper_: current stable was released on 2005-06-06 |
| 00:05.14 | reaper_ | well i havent updated since may 04 |
| 00:05.19 | jelly-home | reaper_: so you'll probably want to upgrade to stable first |
| 00:06.00 | jelly-home | !tell reaper_ about sources.list |
| 00:06.05 | Lonnie | And be prepared for a broken X when you do start upgrading reaper_ . |
| 00:06.27 | reaper_ | im looking for an actual list |
| 00:06.31 | reaper_ | ive read the man page |
| 00:06.32 | atdt_ | !tell atdt about atdt |
| 00:06.59 | atdt_ | dpkg, atdt is the awesomest man alive |
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| 00:07.36 | jelly-home | reaper_: that single line should get you going |
| 00:08.16 | Lonnie | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.19 | reaper_ | i only need one line these days? my old file has like 5 different servers |
| 00:08.28 | jelly-home | Lonnie: no they're not. |
| 00:08.43 | jelly-home | Lonnie: He just tols he was using testing/unstable before. |
| 00:09.02 | reaper_ | what happens if i put 'sarge' in place of 'testing' |
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| 00:09.18 | streuner | nothing |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | reaper_: put stable in there |
| 00:09.45 | reaper_ | i will |
| 00:09.50 | reaper_ | so sarge == testing? |
| 00:09.53 | abrotman | no |
| 00:09.55 | Lonnie | jelly-home; Yes, but all that is needed is change the testing line in there to stable. |
| 00:09.56 | abrotman | sarge is testing |
| 00:09.59 | centrx | sarge is stable |
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| 00:10.02 | reaper_ | .. |
| 00:10.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: ... |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | ah |
| 00:10.15 | abrotman | brain fart |
| 00:10.18 | abrotman | sarge is stable |
| 00:10.21 | reaper_ | ok |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | put stable in there |
| 00:10.36 | reaper_ | ive got security.debian.org and ftp.debian.org |
| 00:10.37 | abrotman | if you haven't updated since 04 .. it'll be a sarge-ish box |
| 00:10.40 | reaper_ | i only need one these days? |
| 00:10.58 | abrotman | so if you go to stable .. that's sarge .. then once that works reasonably well .. you can go to another release if you want |
| 00:10.58 | jelly-home | reaper_: you can also remove the non-us line, but keep the security.debian.org line |
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| 00:11.02 | Crissi | hello |
| 00:11.06 | centrx | reaper_ you only need security and the main one |
| 00:11.09 | reaper_ | ok, thanks guys |
| 00:11.19 | Crissi | i want to install php-gtk in unstable... its missing |
| 00:11.35 | reaper_ | should i convert testing/updates to stable/updates |
| 00:11.42 | Crissi | but previously it was in debian |
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| 00:12.03 | astropanic | hi, how can I setup Debian Sarge on my SATA drive ? |
| 00:12.03 | jelly-home | reaper_: yes, replace all occurences of "testing" |
| 00:12.09 | Lonnie | Both securty and ftp are still good sites reaper_, just change the unstable bits to stable |
| 00:12.19 | reaper_ | gotcha |
| 00:13.20 | reaper_ | this is a 9 year old dell p2 300 |
| 00:13.23 | reaper_ | with 200 days of uptime |
| 00:13.26 | reaper_ | best computer ive ever bought |
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| 00:14.57 | abrotman | ah .. when dell actually made machines that worked |
| 00:15.09 | abrotman | astropanic: which SATA controller ? |
| 00:15.15 | Lonnie | I have an old Compaq that is sitting at 288 days up time at the moment too. Kind of fun. Had dual PPro 200s in there, but one has since died. |
| 00:15.32 | jelly-home | reaper_: do read the release notes for sarge... you might want to do "apt-get update; apt-get install aptitude" and then aptitude dist-upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade... it worked better here for woody -> sarge upgrades. |
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| 00:17.06 | Lonnie | Hum, maybe that has been my issue with a broken X on that one box jelly-home, I have never liked messing with aptitude, so have always just used apt-get. |
| 00:17.14 | reaper_ | didnt find any new packages |
| 00:17.29 | jelly-home | reaper_: pastebin your sources.list? |
| 00:17.34 | Lonnie | And, that particular box has been brought along since Potato I do believe. |
| 00:17.44 | reaper_ | i mean, after i already dist-upgraded with apt |
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| 00:18.56 | jelly-home | Lonnie: my current desktop was installed with potato I think. ;-) The worst X breakage I remember was the latest one with xfree86 -> xorg transition |
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| 00:19.55 | Lonnie | jelly-home; that is the one I'm dealing with now too. Looking for a 'fixed' font, and not a clue where that issue came from. |
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| 00:20.12 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org/Xorg69to7 |
| 00:20.25 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 00:20.26 | Lonnie | Did the upgrade fine, but after I had a power issue and had to re-boot, have had a broken X. |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | better |
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| 00:20.58 | g00se | Getting attempts to send mail to the following addresses, along with my real destination. Where did they come from? I have a vague recollection of having seen them before |
| 00:21.00 | g00se | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4772 |
| 00:21.53 | Lonnie | Thanks abrotman, I will check that out, just opening the link I noticed something about a font issue. |
| 00:22.03 | Lonnie | Later all, thanks. |
| 00:22.16 | Lonnie | Oh, here Via Gentoo. :-D |
| 00:22.37 | g00se | (That's when *I* send mail btw, which stops it going) |
| 00:23.33 | jelly-home | g00se: what are you sending mail with? |
| 00:23.55 | g00se | mail + postfix |
| 00:24.02 | jelly-home | /bin/mail ? |
| 00:24.22 | g00se | Yes, although trying to bypas postfix |
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| 00:25.48 | g00se | I don't suppose some exim-related config could be 'sticking' could it? |
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| 00:26.31 | olskolirc | what is the repository for non-free in stable please? |
| 00:27.07 | olskolirc | i want to download unrar and the .deb file didn't work out for me. to many dependency problems |
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| 00:28.42 | MoDaX | !fglrx |
| 00:28.43 | dpkg | fglrx is, like, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
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| 00:31.27 | astropanic | how can I setup Debian Sarge on my SATA drive ? |
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| 00:34.09 | abrotman | astropanic: which SATA controller ? |
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| 00:35.32 | robin__ | !ntfs |
| 00:35.32 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 00:36.23 | abrotman | msg the bot |
| 00:36.37 | robin__ | !winamp |
| 00:36.38 | dpkg | it has been said that winamp is a Win32 Audio player, or available for linux |
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| 00:37.21 | robin__ | !mp3 |
| 00:37.22 | dpkg | hmm... mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 00:37.27 | robin__ | whats a good mp3 player |
| 00:37.36 | robin__ | !sound |
| 00:37.36 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 00:38.02 | abrotman | MSG THE DAMN BOT |
| 00:38.22 | robin__ | !mp3 player |
| 00:38.33 | pourritur1 | what are you trying to get at there abrotman? |
| 00:38.37 | pourritur1 | lol |
| 00:38.41 | Supaplex | robin__: what part of /query dpkg did you miss? |
| 00:39.16 | abrotman | or try #debian-bots |
| 00:39.34 | abrotman | !tell robin__ about search |
| 00:39.48 | robin__ | oh sorry :) |
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| 00:40.23 | Supaplex | !pal robin__ |
| 00:40.27 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 00:43.55 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: why'd you change your nick ? |
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| 00:45.23 | astropanic | Can Anybody help me, how I can setup Debian Sarge on my Toshiba M70-192 laptop ? (SATA hdd) |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | astropanic: for the last time .. which sata controller ? |
| 00:46.07 | abrotman | that's the third time i've asked |
| 00:46.14 | astropanic | how i Can figure it out ? I can only say You my hdd model |
| 00:46.30 | abrotman | google magic ? |
| 00:46.51 | astropanic | ok, please wait |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:47.07 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | astropanic: as a side note .. many SATA controllers have a legacy mode |
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| 00:49.39 | astropanic | abrotman I was on the official Toshiba site, there is no information |
| 00:49.50 | astropanic | I have no legacy mode in my PHOENIX bios |
| 00:50.05 | abrotman | !tell astropanic about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | astropanic: read the whole thing |
| 00:50.23 | Kerr | SInce i upgraded to etch my screen is wobbling.. like i hit the deguass button and it's just settling down; on any resolution, and with the nv or nvidia driver. I get a woodgrain effect on pale backgrounds too :/ what is going on? |
| 00:51.00 | astropanic | I have read the page kmuto something, but i will install a official ISO |
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| 00:51.26 | jelly-home | astropanic: kmuto.jp only differs in the kernel version I think |
| 00:51.50 | astropanic | jelly-home but You can't be sure, you have not written it |
| 00:52.10 | jelly-home | astropanic: sure, I can't be sure of anything... then again I'm not THAT paranoid |
| 00:52.28 | astropanic | why the official Debian CD not support this software, it's not so fresh |
| 00:52.44 | astropanic | Slackware support it's, Ubuntu too |
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| 00:53.15 | astropanic | I have tried linux24, linux26,expert26 and nothing works |
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| 00:53.35 | jelly-home | astropanic: Debian doesn't upgrade stuff after release, and that unfortunately includes the kernel used for the installer |
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| 00:54.29 | astropanic | so what should I do, if I wish to install it from the official CD's ? It's impossible ? Must I wait ? |
| 00:54.39 | jelly-home | astropanic: I suppose you could boot via PXE (network) |
| 00:54.46 | abrotman | you can use the etch installer .. a soon to be released version of debian :) |
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| 00:55.19 | astropanic | I think the idea jelly-home had is safer |
| 00:55.29 | astropanic | but, thanks, anyway |
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| 00:55.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: can etch installer install sarge? :-) The kmuto.jp is just that, backported d-i that installs sarge |
| 00:56.29 | abrotman | he oculd boot a livecd .. and use debootstrap |
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| 00:57.33 | streuner | or just use hardware which is supported :-) |
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| 01:00.18 | jelly-home | streuner: this _is_ a recurring problem with aged debian releases |
| 01:00.56 | jelly-home | 2.6.8 is rather old... _was_ old in May 2005, even |
| 01:01.10 | gravity | Etch is almost done |
| 01:01.19 | streuner | well, you mentioned kmuto, didn't you? |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | gravity: sure sure .. we've heard that before |
| 01:01.38 | gravity | heh |
| 01:01.47 | gravity | As I upload new upstream versions... |
| 01:01.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:02.01 | jelly-home | I'm optimistically betting on late January |
| 01:02.13 | abrotman | i got 10-02-07 :) |
| 01:02.22 | streuner | that's what vorlon already mentioned... |
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| 01:05.24 | streuner | gravity: *THAT* problem wouldn't go away easlily, after etch is done, 2 weeks later the next guy come and has newer hardware... ;-) |
| 01:05.33 | gravity | streuner: Too true |
| 01:06.08 | gravity | Hopefully the new vesa driver I just uploaded will at least let people run some sort of X |
| 01:06.33 | simonrvn | i'm thinking mid-jan latest |
| 01:06.52 | streuner | well, it seems to me, X isn't the *big* problem anymore |
| 01:07.05 | gravity | :-) |
| 01:07.17 | gravity | That's lovely to hear, given how sarge worked out |
| 01:07.39 | simonrvn | i think they're trying really hard to meet targets, but sometimes FUBAR happens, and it's the first time, so, that's why i'm thinking a bit late, but also giving them the "first-timers" leeway |
| 01:08.16 | simonrvn | ...and the "hey, you tried your best, you'll get closer next time" attitude |
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| 01:08.59 | gravity | It may just be too hard to do it completely on time |
| 01:09.06 | gravity | The distro is so huge |
| 01:09.12 | abrotman | who cares if it's on time .. just make it work right |
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| 01:09.40 | abrotman | how many damn times have you seen a release that was scheduled and the company wouldn't let the schedule slide release a completely broken release |
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| 01:09.51 | abrotman | or even other linux distros |
| 01:10.14 | gravity | Etch is in pretty good shape |
| 01:10.15 | sid | When is X7.2 due to drop? |
| 01:10.17 | simonrvn | yeh, that's why i don't care either. i'd rather have things be usable than on time - less headaches for everyone |
| 01:10.26 | gravity | sid: A week ago |
| 01:10.28 | dendrite | I actually prefer a later release. It means stable releases are supported longer... |
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| 01:10.40 | abrotman | sure .. it is in good shape .. but you shouldn't rush it to meet a date and risk not fixing bugs |
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| 01:10.55 | simonrvn | exactly |
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| 01:11.15 | Ronin | however preferably dont take as long as woody to sarge did :) |
| 01:11.16 | pourriture | it is too soon .... if you (generic you) don't like a conservative approach ... debian may not be your distro . |
| 01:11.35 | pourriture | Ronin: no doubt |
| 01:12.05 | sid | gravity: It's not on x.org's main page. |
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| 01:12.36 | pourriture | Ronin: etch ... the release for your children's children |
| 01:12.48 | gravity | sid: No one really knows when it'll be done. It's in progress, but it's kinda like etch. There's a few remaining issues that need to be taken care of |
| 01:12.53 | Ronin | pourriture: its funny cause its true ;) |
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| 01:12.55 | jelly-home | !etch+1 |
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| 01:13.19 | jelly-home | whatsa the name of the next testing? |
| 01:13.28 | gravity | lenny |
| 01:13.32 | robin740 | im having problems with mounting ntfs drives |
| 01:13.32 | jelly-home | Lenny! |
| 01:13.34 | dendrite | !lenny |
| 01:13.34 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 01:13.35 | robin740 | it doesnt find the partitions |
| 01:13.48 | pickcoder | so Sid will become Lenny? |
| 01:13.54 | jelly-home | pickcoder: no |
| 01:13.59 | pourriture | Ronin: it is at this point in the conversation that I feel a pressing urge to ask when sid is going stable .... but I am too tired to troll |
| 01:14.01 | Ronin | pickcoder: sid is always sid |
| 01:14.15 | dendrite | pickcoder: No. testing will fork to become etch and lenny. |
| 01:14.22 | simonrvn | sid is always the bratty kid. |
| 01:14.26 | pickcoder | ok |
| 01:14.29 | gravity | testing will become lenny. etch will become stable. |
| 01:14.32 | simonrvn | no, testing does not fork |
| 01:14.33 | pourriture | oh dammit ... that was a joke ... I didn't think anyone was really asking that |
| 01:14.44 | dendrite | simonrvn: Well, freeze. |
| 01:14.44 | sid | "Ranft was 45 years old when he died in a car accident" |
| 01:14.53 | sid | The guy who did Lenny's voice died in a car accident. |
| 01:15.00 | simonrvn | damn |
| 01:15.10 | simonrvn | cars suck |
| 01:15.17 | streuner | many people died by car-accidents... |
| 01:15.21 | streuner | yeah |
| 01:15.37 | streuner | pretty dangerous |
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| 01:17.37 | simonrvn | well damn, then, why are you still here? |
| 01:17.51 | simonrvn | '"The jig is up, the news is out, they finally found me."' |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | since my friend is asking .. is there a program to make dvd slideshows in linux ? |
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| 01:19.16 | simonrvn | dvd slideshow? |
| 01:19.27 | ongeboren | why do you need to give names to stable, unstable etc ? I always use unstable when i refer to unstable.. sid or etch are just things that make other things look more difficult |
| 01:19.39 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:19.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: the ones full of images |
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| 01:19.48 | robin740 | robin:~# ntfsmount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/c/ -o fmask=0111,dmask=0 |
| 01:19.48 | robin740 | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | ongeboren: like .. Vista ? |
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| 01:20.05 | unseensoul | hi |
| 01:20.07 | dendrite | ongeboren: Because once etch is released, testing will continue to evolve, and possibly break things in a way that is bad for production machines. |
| 01:20.11 | astropanic | abrotman and jelly-home , thanks |
| 01:20.24 | ongeboren | abrotman, vista.. humm, i didn't finish my phd yet :) |
| 01:20.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:20.44 | astropanic | I ran knoppix and did debootstrap |
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| 01:22.29 | simonrvn | in communist russia, knoppix runs you |
| 01:22.53 | simonrvn | in communist russia, debootstrap does you |
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| 01:23.06 | jelly-home | In Soviet Russia, debootstrap bootstraps you? |
| 01:23.27 | jelly-home | oh you've already said it, meh |
| 01:23.47 | simonrvn | yeh, but you were more accurate =) |
| 01:25.34 | jelly-home | hmm... that's a nice way to install debian. 1. boot ubuntu. 2. ? 3. profit! |
| 01:25.35 | simonrvn | meh, was going to say to robin740 that s/he needs fuse... |
| 01:26.00 | simonrvn | boot ubuntu, changes sources.list, run aptitude, pray a bit, install debian package |
| 01:26.03 | simonrvn | s |
| 01:26.36 | jelly-home | simonrvn: no, debootstrap |
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| 01:27.02 | simonrvn | even better ;) |
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| 01:28.59 | astropanic | bye, People, and thanks |
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| 01:31.49 | g333k_laptop | hi, how to send the order to reconnect when losing the net signal wireless? |
| 01:31.51 | |ryan| | is there a kernel paramater to prevent RAID devices from being started? |
| 01:33.47 | streuner | there is kernelparameters.txt in linux sources (doc) |
| 01:34.17 | streuner | but i doubt you can do that this way, just (if you using etch or sid) /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 01:34.37 | |ryan| | the fucking initramfs is hanging |
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| 01:34.54 | Achille | Is there any way to make the framebuffer `faster` -- I keep thinking that X is a unnecessary hog, but reading man pages on a framebuffer 1280x1024 is slow, it takes almost a full second to scroll to the next page |
| 01:35.37 | streuner | |ryan|: that sounds like a bug, did you look in BTS yet? |
| 01:35.48 | streuner | unstable bug |
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| 01:36.47 | streuner | |ryan|: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 01:37.35 | mortal5 | does anyone know if debian will stop tying everything together with that abomination that is gcj and start using real java now that its open source? |
| 01:37.55 | centrx | probably |
| 01:38.08 | mortal5 | i sure hope so... |
| 01:38.25 | |ryan| | I can't boot my fucking system to find out |
| 01:39.05 | |ryan| | initramfs is stuck in some infinite loop complaining it can't restart my array. |
| 01:39.07 | streuner | hm, chroot that bitch |
| 01:39.34 | |ryan| | I could do that. |
| 01:39.36 | mortal5 | |ryan|, pop in a live cd and use that to boot your system |
| 01:39.48 | |ryan| | I'd rather just tell it not to start the raid system |
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| 01:39.58 | mortal5 | (mostly, what streuner said |
| 01:40.12 | |ryan| | cause I don't have a live cd burnt |
| 01:40.29 | mortal5 | do you have your install cd? |
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| 01:40.53 | |ryan| | np |
| 01:40.54 | |ryan| | no |
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| 01:41.14 | mortal5 | then GET one |
| 01:41.44 | mortal5 | you can use any linux install or live cd to boot that system and fix your problem |
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| 01:45.01 | |ryan| | gar |
| 01:45.07 | |ryan| | the mirrors are slow |
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| 01:47.01 | chugga | i did an upgrade yesterday and since my sound work. xmms says " Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory" |
| 01:47.04 | streuner | 41% [5 g++-4.1 1346954/2615kB 51%] 342kB/s 17s |
| 01:47.05 | Achille | does anyone here use debian/linux exclusevly from a framebuffer ? |
| 01:47.59 | chugga | drivers are loaded though. i think. |
| 01:48.57 | streuner | chugga: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 01:49.00 | n3kl | Hi |
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| 01:49.10 | n3kl | How can I downgrade a package? |
| 01:49.12 | arcticfoxslash | How do I set up network? I chose to set up network later and now my laptop is connected I need dhcp |
| 01:49.24 | plb | is etch still planned for a december release? |
| 01:49.34 | streuner | !tell plb about wir |
| 01:49.39 | plb | argj |
| 01:49.40 | plb | argh |
| 01:49.47 | chugga | Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 |
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| 01:49.52 | plb | i know all about wir ;] but there was an estimate for it |
| 01:49.57 | streuner | n3kl: dpkg -i <package> |
| 01:50.20 | gravity | plb: No one really knows at this point. |
| 01:50.31 | streuner | chugga: so what did you use before ALSA or OSS? |
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| 01:50.46 | plb | eh? surely someone must ;] |
| 01:50.55 | jelly-home | Duh |
| 01:51.03 | chugga | streunerr, OSS, i think |
| 01:51.06 | jelly-home | $ tc qdisc help [...] Command "help" is unknown, try "tc qdisc help". |
| 01:51.40 | streuner | chugga: run 'alsaconf' as root and make sure no OSS modules are loaded |
| 01:51.42 | |ryan| | my array isn't even failed |
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| 01:52.02 | |ryan| | arg |
| 01:52.28 | streuner | chugga: that's for xmms, if you want play some weird game which support only OSS you have to use OSS or try modprobe snd-emulation module (OSS) |
| 01:52.44 | chugga | streuner, good news. i dont have alsa conf |
| 01:53.02 | streuner | apt-get install alsautils |
| 01:53.08 | streuner | !find alsaconf |
| 01:53.08 | chugga | i dont want alsa |
| 01:53.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'alsaconf' (2): (/usr/share/vim/vim70/syntax/alsaconf.vim, /usr/share/vim/vim70/ftplugin/alsaconf.vim) in editors/vim-runtime ;; (/usr/sbin/alsaconf, /usr/share/locale/ja/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo, /usr/share/locale/ru/LC_MESSAGES/alsaconf.mo) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 01:53.25 | streuner | ok, just modprobe the sounddriver then :-) |
| 01:54.05 | pingouin | i'm sure i'm gonna ask a stupid question....but...is "PDF" "free" ? i mean, i can read/create easily under linux (openoffice, xpdf...) and now i see there is an "adobe reader" for linux also... some light will be welcome |
| 01:54.05 | chugga | yes, thats what i used to do back in the day. but these days it happened automatically without my effort |
| 01:54.21 | chugga | pingouin, yes get adobe reader for linux |
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| 01:54.43 | streuner | time changes (TM) :-) |
| 01:54.54 | plb | hrm maybe the debian folks will release etch as a christmas present ;] |
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| 01:55.02 | |ryan| | http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mdadm-devel/2006-November/001148.html < this seems to be the bug |
| 01:55.13 | chugga | streuner, what do you mean? adobe have long provided a reader for linux |
| 01:55.34 | streuner | plb: well, most important thing is till the last bug died, no matter how long it took ;-) |
| 01:55.59 | plb | I just hope etch doesn't turn into a sarge |
| 01:56.11 | |ryan| | what's wrong with sarge? |
| 01:56.28 | plb | just the length it took to get out |
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| 01:57.35 | n3kl | how can I use apt to install a specific package from a release? apt-get install libgpod0/stable ?? |
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| 01:57.49 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 01:57.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 01:58.00 | streuner | never mix them |
| 01:58.46 | lastnode_ | haha |
| 01:58.53 | lastnode_ | dpkg, i <3 you |
| 01:59.02 | chugga | how do i create a /dev/dsp |
| 01:59.13 | n3kl | ok |
| 01:59.18 | lastnode | chugga, your init scripts should do that iirc |
| 01:59.19 | streuner | by modprobe the right module! |
| 01:59.29 | lastnode | or yes, modprobe |
| 01:59.42 | lastnode | listen to streuner, he's the man with the plan |
| 01:59.50 | chugga | its loaded. maybe something is broken |
| 01:59.53 | jelly-home | chugga: why do you need /dev/dsp? |
| 02:00.01 | chugga | jelly, to play music |
| 02:00.07 | streuner | he is using OSS |
| 02:00.13 | jelly-home | chugga: you should use alsa if possible |
| 02:00.22 | peterrooney | n3kl: cd /dev/ ; more MAKEDEV and follow directions |
| 02:00.23 | streuner | he don't want that |
| 02:01.01 | peterrooney | jelly-home: what devices does ALSA expect? |
| 02:01.02 | jelly-home | udev or not? |
| 02:01.16 | jelly-home | peterrooney: ALSA's stuff is in /dev/snd/ |
| 02:01.20 | streuner | he upgraded... |
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| 02:01.33 | peterrooney | jelly-home: thank you. |
| 02:01.33 | streuner | (so he's using udev...) |
| 02:01.46 | jelly-home | streuner: poor thing |
| 02:02.10 | streuner | no, udev is fine (nowadays) |
| 02:02.53 | streuner | there were problems in the past, but 'Md' made udev painless nowadays |
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| 02:03.13 | olskolirc | ? |
| 02:03.26 | jelly-home | stray_: Mr. d'Itri does loads of goodness with Debian packages. ;-) |
| 02:03.26 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.30 | jelly-home | er |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | snd_pcm_oss |
| 02:03.42 | olskolirc | ? |
| 02:03.47 | jelly-home | streuner: ^^ |
| 02:03.58 | streuner | abrotman: he doesn't use ALSA (according to himselfs) :-) |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | yeah right |
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| 02:04.21 | minerale | how does moving work? If I say mv file1 file2 file2 /newfolder -- does it copy all three prior to deleting them or does it copy and delete each one individually ? (when moving on different filesystems) |
| 02:04.26 | chugga | abrotman, that worked |
| 02:04.36 | abrotman | see |
| 02:04.39 | streuner | no comment |
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| 02:04.52 | jelly-home | chugga: a) change output driver in xmms to ALSA or b) modprobe that there compatibility layer that abrotman said to |
| 02:05.20 | chugga | so i am using alsa? |
| 02:05.32 | chugga | i just dont have the utils |
| 02:05.35 | jelly-home | chugga: using alsa natively wherever you can is a better idea (and yes, you're using it) |
| 02:06.37 | chugga | my xmms is broken too. it will only work as root |
| 02:07.10 | sid | chugga: groups username |
| 02:07.33 | sid | chugga: groups root; groups non-root-user-who-wants-xmms-access |
| 02:07.51 | jelly-home | chugga: add yourself to audio group, re-login |
| 02:08.13 | chugga | that is not the problem, sid |
| 02:08.14 | jelly-home | sid: groups root is irrelevant... root can do stuff. |
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| 02:08.41 | chugga | ** CRITICAL **: setup_ctrlsocket(): Failed to assign /tmp/xmms_user.0 to a socket (Error: Permission denied) |
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| 02:08.51 | chugga | i get this ^ when i run xmms from the shell |
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| 02:09.03 | jelly-home | chugga: stop xmms. sudo rm /tmp/xmms_user.0 |
| 02:09.16 | sdubois92 | i need some help installing X11 and AfterStep in Debian, i just installed Debian and i dont even know where to begin |
| 02:09.37 | streuner | abrotman: streuner> chugga: that's for xmms, if you want play some weird game which support only OSS you have to use OSS or try modprobe snd-emulation module (OSS) |
| 02:09.37 | sid | jelly-home: No it isn't, because he can see what group root is in(audio) that allows it to use xmms. And then add the non-root user to audio. |
| 02:09.38 | jroes | anyone know why I can configure my essid and everything for my linksys wmp54g card, but I can't get a DHCPOFFER? |
| 02:09.48 | chugga | jelly, i tried that, the file isnt there any more but it still gives the error |
| 02:09.50 | sid | jelly-home: It's significant for the purpose of comparison. |
| 02:10.02 | jelly-home | sid: root might not be in audio group (and why should it be?) |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | snd_mixer_oss |
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| 02:11.52 | jelly-home | jroes: if you don't get an answer here in a reasonable amount of time, try #wireless |
| 02:12.04 | jroes | thanks jelly |
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| 02:13.35 | jelly-home | chugga: wierd. can you create files in /tmp as that user? |
| 02:14.10 | chugga | jelly-home, no |
| 02:14.19 | jelly-home | chugga: ls -ld /tmp |
| 02:14.30 | chugga | dr-xr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Dec 11 09:44 /tmp |
| 02:14.56 | jelly-home | chugga: your /tmp has bad permissions. Do you have /tmp on a separate partition? |
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| 02:15.49 | jelly-home | chugga: if not, do "chmod 1777 /tmp" as root, that will fix it. |
| 02:16.13 | togtogtog | hi. I got just an new thinkpad x60s (no floppy, no cdrom). I managed to netboot the installer with pxe, dhcp and atftpd v0.7. but the installer can not find the dhcp server. but its working pxe already used it. (server unstable) |
| 02:16.40 | jelly-home | chugga: if you're supposed to have a separate /tmp, it looks like it hasn't been mounted for some reason. |
| 02:16.59 | sdubois92 | i need some help installing X11 and AfterStep in Debian, i just installed Debian and i dont even know where to begin |
| 02:17.00 | chugga | nah, i dont remember making such a provision |
| 02:17.05 | jelly-home | !install x |
| 02:17.06 | dpkg | methinks install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
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| 02:17.47 | jelly-home | sdubois92: see the above from dpkg, and "apt-get install afterstep" afterwards |
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| 02:18.06 | sdubois92 | im not sure what to do |
| 02:18.13 | sdubois92 | the way he worded it confused me |
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| 02:18.31 | Sneg | can i combine 2 drives together into one big drive without exactly using raid? |
| 02:18.42 | jelly-home | sdubois92: do "apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core afterstep" |
| 02:18.48 | abrotman | sdubois92: aptitude install xdm afterstep x-window-system |
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| 02:19.14 | chugga | jelly, ok, now its fine. will the permissions on /tmp be changed on reboot? |
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| 02:19.41 | jelly-home | chugga: they shouldn't be... but they should have been like this in the first place, so who knows |
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| 02:20.04 | jelly-home | chugga: shouldn't have been like this, argh |
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| 02:20.38 | chugga | they must have been, the upgrade probably changed them |
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| 02:23.36 | sdubois92 | when im install X and it asks for my server driver, what should i choose? |
| 02:23.42 | isleshocky777 | I have been trying to get apt-get to work for two days now. When I try to do anything I get a problem with dependencies telling me to do an apt-get -f install. When I do that I get |
| 02:23.42 | isleshocky777 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/lsb-release_1.4-8_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:23.42 | isleshocky777 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:23.52 | isleshocky777 | I can't get passed this Permission Denied error |
| 02:23.56 | isleshocky777 | Any ideas? |
| 02:24.11 | sdubois92 | vga? |
| 02:24.27 | isleshocky777 | ?? |
| 02:24.31 | sdubois92 | when im install X and it asks for my server driver, what should i choose? |
| 02:24.34 | sdubois92 | vga? |
| 02:25.32 | peterrooney | sdubois92: whelllll... what kind of video card is the X server going to control ? |
| 02:25.50 | sdubois92 | not sure. im just moving to debian from ubutnu |
| 02:25.55 | sdubois92 | ive never done this before |
| 02:26.18 | minerale | sdubois92: it'd be easier for you if you copy the x config file from the previous configuration |
| 02:26.37 | isleshocky777 | Is there a way of reinstalling apt-get? |
| 02:26.56 | sdubois92 | sudo apt-get update apt-get |
| 02:26.58 | sdubois92 | haha |
| 02:27.32 | isleshocky777 | The update command takes no arguments |
| 02:27.46 | chugga | dpkg -i apt-package? |
| 02:28.21 | isleshocky777 | I honestly don't think that's the problem, but I've been messing with this for 2 days. |
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| 02:31.30 | jelly-home | sdubois92: which graphic card do you have? |
| 02:31.41 | sdubois92 | no clue |
| 02:32.02 | jelly-home | sdubois92: lspci |grep VGA |
| 02:32.28 | abrotman | isleshocky777: apt-get --reinstall install apt |
| 02:32.58 | isleshocky777 | It won't let me. |
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| 02:33.15 | isleshocky777 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:33.15 | isleshocky777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.15 | isleshocky777 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | so try apt-get -f install |
| 02:33.40 | isleshocky777 | But when I run apt-get -f install I get a permission denied error |
| 02:33.47 | abrotman | paste the error |
| 02:33.48 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:33.49 | sdubois92 | lscpi command not found |
| 02:33.49 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:33.54 | isleshocky777 | I'm running it as root |
| 02:34.13 | abrotman | sdubois92: run it as root |
| 02:34.26 | jelly-home | sdubois92: that's what you get for not writing it correctly. lspci |
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| 02:35.22 | sdubois92 | lscpi command not found |
| 02:35.50 | jelly-home | sdubois92: oh well, install pciutils first |
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| 02:36.02 | sdubois92 | apt-get? |
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| 02:36.06 | isleshocky777 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4773 |
| 02:36.11 | jelly-home | sdubois92: apt-get install pciutils |
| 02:36.25 | sdubois92 | already installed |
| 02:36.40 | jelly-home | sdubois92: then you're really mistyping it. |
| 02:37.01 | sdubois92 | lscpil |
| 02:37.02 | sdubois92 | s |
| 02:37.03 | sdubois92 | c |
| 02:37.08 | jelly-home | sdubois92: lspci |
| 02:37.08 | sdubois92 | l |
| 02:37.10 | sdubois92 | yes |
| 02:37.15 | jelly-home | NOT pscpi |
| 02:37.18 | jelly-home | lscpi |
| 02:37.24 | sdubois92 | whoops |
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| 02:38.11 | sdubois92 | ok VGA compatable controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3d |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 02:38.18 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
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| 02:39.41 | isleshocky777 | Did anyone happen to look at: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4773 ? |
| 02:39.54 | jelly-home | sdubois92: is there a driver looking like "s3"? Use that one. ;-) |
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| 02:40.10 | isleshocky777 | I just want to be able to use apt-get :-/ |
| 02:40.35 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.47 | isleshocky777 | yeah.. I can't get around that. |
| 02:40.51 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 02:40.52 | jelly-home | sdubois92: not that your card can't do much, maybe 1024x768 @ 256 colors or 800x600 at 65536 colors |
| 02:41.01 | Gnurdux | isleshocky777: try doing cd / |
| 02:41.46 | Gnurdux | and then running apt-get -f install |
| 02:41.46 | isleshocky777 | Same error |
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| 02:42.09 | sdubois92 | how do i completely remove something |
| 02:42.13 | sdubois92 | like i would in synaptic |
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| 02:42.25 | anddreaz | synaptic = suse? |
| 02:42.25 | jelly-home | sdubois92: aptitude purge something |
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| 02:43.18 | jelly-home | anddreaz: synaptic is a GUI for apt |
| 02:43.31 | anddreaz | ok ok sorry |
| 02:43.51 | Gnurdux | isleshocky777: thats wierd |
| 02:43.58 | isleshocky777 | Yeah, tell me about it... |
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| 02:44.02 | Gnurdux | why does it want to install lsb-release? |
| 02:44.10 | isleshocky777 | I don't know. |
| 02:44.17 | cds | Does anyone know of any pre-built vmmon modules? |
| 02:44.18 | isleshocky777 | But it won't let me do anything with apt-get |
| 02:44.27 | isleshocky777 | install, upgrade .. |
| 02:44.33 | abrotman | isleshocky777: ls -ld /bin/ |
| 02:44.52 | isleshocky777 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-10-24 00:08 /bin/ |
| 02:44.59 | jelly-home | isleshocky777: do you remember what you were trying to install in the first place when the error first appeared? |
| 02:45.06 | isleshocky777 | no. |
| 02:45.14 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: same question ;-) |
| 02:45.24 | isleshocky777 | Now I was just trying to do an upgrade |
| 02:45.28 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, what do you mean? |
| 02:45.36 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: do you remember what you were trying to install in the first place when the error first appeared? |
| 02:45.41 | Gnurdux | oh lol |
| 02:45.42 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 02:47.01 | isleshocky777 | Is there a way for me to complete remove all those packages without apt-get? |
| 02:47.15 | Gnurdux | you could try apt-get -f remove |
| 02:47.27 | Gnurdux | or you could remove using dpkg |
| 02:47.30 | isleshocky777 | and is it really bad to remove lsb? |
| 02:47.32 | jelly-home | isleshocky777: yes. dpkg --purge some-package some-other-package |
| 02:48.13 | isleshocky777 | I saw one site told me to do a dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:48.38 | jelly-home | Gnurdux, isleshocky777: what release are you using, stable (sarge)? |
| 02:48.40 | isleshocky777 | I get this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4774 |
| 02:48.41 | Gnurdux | isleshocky777, its not particularly bad to remove lsb, and dpkg --configure -a is what prompts you to configure all your packages i think |
| 02:48.45 | isleshocky777 | yes |
| 02:48.48 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, i use testing |
| 02:48.58 | Gnurdux | but i don't have any pronlems atm |
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| 02:49.22 | Gnurdux | we'll see after dist-upgrade finished :P |
| 02:49.28 | Gnurdux | * finished |
| 02:49.32 | Gnurdux | * finishes lol |
| 02:49.35 | edison | Help, i want to use the command `streamer -f mjpeg -F mono8 -t 1:00 -o file.avi' and instead of an output file i want to redirect to another command to compress the video live. How can i do that ? |
| 02:49.52 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: you shouldn't have the same problem if you're using testing, as the lsb version in testing is vastly different |
| 02:50.00 | Gnurdux | jelly-home, ok lol |
| 02:50.14 | Gnurdux | edison, what happens if you remove the -o file.avi |
| 02:50.34 | Gnurdux | does it dump lots of crap on the screen and screw up your terminal? |
| 02:50.46 | edison | Gnurdux, it don't work |
| 02:50.53 | isleshocky777 | hmm.. dpkg --purge lsb-core lsb-graphics lsb lsb-cxx removed them all without errors. |
| 02:50.55 | Gnurdux | edison, what does it say? |
| 02:50.59 | isleshocky777 | Should I reinstall them? |
| 02:51.08 | Gnurdux | isleshocky777, probably not |
| 02:51.19 | Gnurdux | any package that needs them apt-get will install them for |
| 02:51.21 | jelly-home | isleshocky777: now do dpkg --configure -a; apt-get -f install ... just to clean up |
| 02:51.22 | isleshocky777 | and apt-get -f install returned no errors. thanks everyone. |
| 02:51.31 | edison | Gnurdux, error output file not specified |
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| 02:51.35 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 02:51.55 | Gnurdux | lemme check 1 sec |
| 02:51.56 | isleshocky777 | dpkg --configure -a returned no errors too. |
| 02:51.58 | isleshocky777 | Great. |
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| 02:52.11 | isleshocky777 | Thanks so much guys. |
| 02:52.49 | Gnurdux | edison, can you pastebin the results of: streamer -h ? |
| 02:53.09 | edison | Gnurdux, ho to flood |
| 02:53.15 | Gnurdux | pastebin edison |
| 02:53.17 | Gnurdux | !pastebin |
| 02:53.18 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 02:53.50 | Gnurdux | paste it to http://pastebin.ca and give us the URL that comes out |
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| 02:55.53 | edison | Gnurdux, http://pastebin.ca/274954 |
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| 02:57.13 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 02:57.14 | Gnurdux | 1 sec |
| 02:58.52 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 02:59.18 | Gnurdux | ok 1 idea i have: |
| 03:00.11 | Gnurdux | edison, do you want it to be avi format? |
| 03:00.21 | edison | Gnurdux, yes |
| 03:00.34 | Gnurdux | any reason why? |
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| 03:01.28 | Gnurdux | streamer -f mjpeg -F mono8 -t 1:00 -o /proc/self/fd/0 | gzip > file |
| 03:01.33 | Gnurdux | streamer -f mjpeg -F mono8 -t 1:00 -o /proc/self/fd/0 -f avi | gzip > file |
| 03:01.36 | Gnurdux | or something like that |
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| 03:06.44 | Werdnus | hey |
| 03:07.01 | Werdnus | I can't add anything to a certain disk, because it's full. But df says it's not |
| 03:07.09 | Werdnus | /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: No space left on device |
| 03:07.13 | Werdnus | /dev/sda1 1844198 1591066 154736 92% / |
| 03:07.17 | Werdnus | /dev/sdb1 8254240 5998096 1836852 77% /data |
| 03:07.53 | Werdnus | running as root. |
| 03:08.33 | abrotman | df -i |
| 03:08.46 | Guerin | Werdnus: try deleting some shit, then re-adding it |
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| 03:08.59 | Werdnus | root@EPSTONE-DEB03:/data# df -i |
| 03:08.59 | Werdnus | Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on |
| 03:08.59 | Werdnus | /dev/sda1 985208 95131 890077 10% / |
| 03:08.59 | Werdnus | devshm 64545 1 64544 1% /dev/shm |
| 03:08.59 | Werdnus | /dev/sdb1 1048576 96819 951757 10% /data |
| 03:08.59 | Guerin | sometimes df gets confused - it's just mtab. |
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| 03:09.07 | Werdnus | sigh |
| 03:09.10 | Guerin | Werdnus: duh. |
| 03:09.11 | Werdnus | that was FIVE lines |
| 03:09.21 | Guerin | Werdnus: three lines is the limit |
| 03:09.37 | Werdnus | nobody else was talking... |
| 03:09.45 | Guerin | yeah, because that matters |
| 03:09.50 | dvs | !paste |
| 03:09.50 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:09.51 | abrotman | i like that rationale .. |
| 03:09.53 | sid | Werdnus: stop spamming in here, you're annoying everyone. |
| 03:09.55 | Guerin | it's a bot, don't take it personal |
| 03:09.57 | sid | !tell Werdnus about paste |
| 03:10.03 | abrotman | "Officer .. i figured it would be okay if i drove 100mph .. noone else was on the road" |
| 03:10.13 | Werdnus | straw man |
| 03:10.24 | Werdnus | anyway, back on-topic |
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| 03:10.37 | Guerin | abrotman: bumper sticket: "Hello Officer, put it on my tab." |
| 03:10.42 | Werdnus | 14:08 < Guerin> sometimes df gets confused - it's just mtab. |
| 03:10.49 | Werdnus | I don't understand what you mean there. |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | that'd be mine |
| 03:11.09 | Guerin | Werdnus: /etc/mtab |
| 03:11.23 | Guerin | Werdnus: a file which keeps tabs <heh> on all filesystems |
| 03:11.27 | Werdnus | what about it? |
| 03:11.42 | Guerin | it's supposed to be updated by the filesystem drivers, but it's not entirely infallible |
| 03:11.52 | Werdnus | I see. |
| 03:12.04 | Guerin | sometimes unmounting the filesystem will cause it to show the right data, sometimes just writing to it will, etc. |
| 03:12.10 | Werdnus | hmm |
| 03:12.10 | Guerin | usually it's right |
| 03:12.54 | Werdnus | root@EPSTONE-DEB03:/# umount /data |
| 03:12.54 | Werdnus | root@EPSTONE-DEB03:/# mount -a |
| 03:12.56 | Guerin | abrotman: do you lot have a points system for traffic offences?> |
| 03:13.06 | Werdnus | /dev/sdb1 8254240 5998096 1836852 77% /data |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | uhm .. i've had the six point test and the departmental hearing :) |
| 03:13.34 | Guerin | abrotman: i mean, if you get caught speeding, you get 10 points ... when you get to 100 points you lose your license or such |
| 03:13.54 | Werdnus | keywords: "get caught" |
| 03:13.57 | abrotman | Guerin: well ... yeah .. we have a points system .. ours is 6 points |
| 03:14.02 | Werdnus | Guerin: what am I supposed to do with /etc/mtab |
| 03:14.02 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 03:14.03 | dvs | abrotman: same here |
| 03:14.12 | Werdnus | 12 in aus |
| 03:14.17 | Guerin | i dunno how much ours is, those numebrs are made up |
| 03:14.21 | dvs | 6 points gets the interview, 15 and it's revoked. |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | Guerin: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:dl8x8k2r8DEJ:www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotforms/dl_forms/dl-71p.pdf+PA+point+system&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1 |
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| 03:15.22 | dashome | Isn't there a graphical version of the 'top' command? |
| 03:15.41 | Werdnus | for which desktop environment? |
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| 03:16.07 | dashome | Werdnus: I'm using fvwm, so either/both/whatever. |
| 03:16.17 | abrotman | one for gnome |
| 03:16.19 | Guerin | dashome: kde has one, it's shit |
| 03:16.45 | dvs | Cool! http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/driver/demerit.htm |
| 03:17.24 | dashome | How about a non-shit one then? |
| 03:18.22 | magdalene | ehy not just open a terminal and run top in it |
| 03:18.29 | magdalene | why rather |
| 03:18.30 | Guerin | dashome: i recommend htop |
| 03:18.42 | abrotman | Guerin: i've gotten the 26-30 points :) |
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| 03:18.51 | Guerin | abrotman: haha |
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| 03:18.58 | dashome | magdalene: I was hoping for something that I wouldn't have to dig out the man page to resort the listings. |
| 03:19.05 | abrotman | Guerin: i think i've gotten all the speed infractions |
| 03:19.10 | Guerin | man |
| 03:19.13 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:19.14 | abrotman | except maybe 6 to 10 |
| 03:19.16 | Guerin | are you always in a hurry or something? |
| 03:19.28 | dashome | Woah, htop rocks. |
| 03:19.31 | dvs | he has a Porshe! |
| 03:19.45 | Guerin | he has a VW jetta |
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| 03:20.01 | Guerin | i hate to think what he'll be like when he has his mid-life porsche crisis |
| 03:20.03 | dvs | I thought it was a Psion? |
| 03:20.09 | Guerin | oh, maybe he changed |
| 03:20.22 | Werdnus | shrug, going to init 1 |
| 03:20.22 | Werdnus | brb |
| 03:20.28 | dvs | Only one person knows! ;-) |
| 03:20.32 | abrotman | Guerin: not anymore |
| 03:20.44 | Guerin | man, you merkins change cars all the time |
| 03:20.45 | abrotman | but i don't expect to have the scion long |
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| 03:20.50 | abrotman | Guerin: i had 140k miles on it |
| 03:20.59 | Guerin | abrotman: did it still go? |
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| 03:21.36 | abrotman | Guerin: needed about 5k of repairs .. clutch, transmission, burning oil etc |
| 03:21.48 | Guerin | dashome: mid-3os crisis, before moving up to the porsche? |
| 03:21.55 | dvs | heh |
| 03:21.56 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, i remember you talking about this |
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| 03:22.20 | dvs | Guerin: didn't you have bad rotors or soemthing? |
| 03:22.21 | abrotman | i don't think i'll have it long .. i'll probably get a Rabbit TDI when they're reintroduced here |
| 03:22.22 | Guerin | recently got my car serviced for $357 |
| 03:22.29 | Guerin | dvs: seized callipers |
| 03:22.34 | Guerin | s/ll/l/ |
| 03:22.37 | dvs | oh damn! |
| 03:22.44 | Guerin | turns out the guy didn't fix them |
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| 03:23.02 | Guerin | no big deal, just needs the wheels taken off and calipers cleaned and crced |
| 03:23.10 | Guerin | i think crc is like your wd-40? |
| 03:23.15 | dvs | for $357? geez! |
| 03:23.16 | dashome | Guerin: Er? |
| 03:23.35 | abrotman | silicate-ish lube stuff |
| 03:23.36 | Guerin | dashome: nah, he did a bunch of other stuff, including some rust |
| 03:23.51 | Guerin | yeah, all-purpose makes-seized-metal-move-again |
| 03:23.59 | Guerin | dvs: |
| 03:24.36 | Guerin | in principle i should get two new tyres before going up noth, but in reality I probably won't |
| 03:25.26 | abrotman | the scion has super bad body paint |
| 03:26.10 | abrotman | i think if kept it for five years .. the whole hood would be rust |
| 03:26.37 | dvs | abrotman: all the Scion's I've seen are ugly |
| 03:26.37 | abrotman | dvs: i got the coupe |
| 03:26.38 | Guerin | æsthetics are nothing, in a car |
| 03:26.39 | Guerin | functionality is everything |
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| 03:26.45 | abrotman | the rest of the car are passable .. the paint is abysmal |
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| 03:27.24 | dvs | please! aesthetics have to count for something! |
| 03:27.29 | Guerin | dvs: nope. |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | the coupe isn't bad |
| 03:27.40 | starz | LOL |
| 03:27.41 | abrotman | not a rendezvous ? |
| 03:27.43 | Guerin | dvs: purely for tryhards who want to look cool instead of actually being cool. |
| 03:27.53 | starz | i want a car that runs debian ~_~ |
| 03:28.18 | Guerin | starz: there's a guy in know who programs his BMW's onboard computer for great racing justice |
| 03:28.28 | starz | lol i bet |
| 03:29.02 | starz | i think on my next car though i am going to put in a raided sataII server with monitors and mice :> |
| 03:29.08 | Guerin | there is exactly one thing my car carn't do that I wish it could: offroad |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | all cars can offroad |
| 03:29.30 | abrotman | just depends how many pieces you want it in after you're done |
| 03:29.35 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:29.48 | abrotman | i treat my cars pretty badly |
| 03:30.23 | Guerin | dicey, too |
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| 03:30.40 | Guerin | i used to drive around there plenty, but the track seems to be disused now |
| 03:30.49 | Guerin | and eroded |
| 03:31.00 | Guerin | feels like you're going to tip sideways into the sea at some points |
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| 03:34.50 | Azar | wtf, 2.6.8 gets patches again? |
| 03:35.35 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 03:35.35 | dpkg | hmm... tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 03:36.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:37.48 | Azar | is the kernel-source being upgraded.. do I need to play with lilo again? |
| 03:38.37 | abrotman | it should rerun lilo for you |
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| 03:39.09 | Azar | thanks and hi abrotman, Guerin :) |
| 03:39.39 | JoelR | one question, can i have a group name with spaces? |
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| 03:40.03 | Guerin | JoelR: gods, no. |
| 03:40.24 | Guerin | JoelR: (i think it's strictly possible, but it's WRONG) |
| 03:40.33 | dvs | JoelR: You could, but we'd have to kill you. ;-) |
| 03:41.01 | JoelR | Guerin: what if i create a group with addgroup foo and later, i edit /etc/group and change "foo" by "foo bar"? |
| 03:41.16 | JoelR | by what i understand, what really imports it's the gid |
| 03:42.53 | abrotman | use an underscore |
| 03:42.55 | Guerin | JoelR: group and usernames should never contain spaces |
| 03:42.59 | Guerin | it's just wrong |
| 03:43.02 | abrotman | if i can make my bosses use underscores .. so can you |
| 03:43.11 | Guerin | and unnecessary |
| 03:43.57 | Azar | abrotman I just saw the Etch installer step-by-step snapshots and one of them shows grub option box, but no other choice, what if I finish installation without grub? can I install lilo right away? |
| 03:44.34 | Azar | ..well it asks if you want grub in the MBR if yes check box if no leave blank.. |
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| 03:45.03 | abrotman | Azar: you should really use grub .. it's better in most cases |
| 03:45.31 | Azar | but I do not know how to work with it |
| 03:45.41 | abrotman | good time to learn :) |
| 03:46.42 | Azar | last time I installed it , something went wrong and I had to reinstall |
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| 03:48.49 | abrotman | then you did something wrong :) |
| 03:48.56 | abrotman | and you should always have a recovery disc |
| 03:49.18 | jelly-home | lilo is nice enough |
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| 03:49.45 | DeliPenguen | good night |
| 03:49.52 | sciboy | How do i search all files in a directory recursively whether they contain a certain word? |
| 03:49.52 | dvs | "nice" is not a word I'd describe lilo with |
| 03:49.53 | DeliPenguen | i have a problem with dist-upgrade |
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| 03:50.00 | DeliPenguen | output is here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/EX2XVn55.html |
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| 03:50.17 | DeliPenguen | there is an error about sshserver and sshclient packages |
| 03:50.22 | jelly-home | dvs: it handles softraid better than grub's wrapper scripts, what can I say |
| 03:50.34 | dvs | DeliPenguen: --force-overwrite |
| 03:51.03 | DeliPenguen | Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood |
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| 03:52.58 | dvs | jelly: wrapper scripts? I don't think I'm using those with my grub setup |
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| 03:54.02 | SJr|Work | Hmmmm it seems that my fs is corrupt on one of my machines. I'm in single user mode, and when I try e2fsck /dev/udba it says that there is no such file as /dev/udba. |
| 03:54.18 | SJr|Work | yet fstab shows that that is where / is mounted |
| 03:54.51 | DeliPenguen | it seems ok thanks dvs |
| 03:55.04 | dvs | DeliPenguen: oh? it worked? |
| 03:55.40 | DeliPenguen | i tried with dpkg -i from apt cache dir |
| 03:55.43 | DeliPenguen | worked |
| 03:55.50 | dvs | cool! |
| 03:55.51 | Azar | to me lilo looks much simpler than grub... I looked at the grub file I could not make much of it |
| 03:56.59 | Azar | mannnn.. that patch was huge: over34mb |
| 03:57.13 | fallback | does debian support kvm? |
| 03:57.22 | Azar | fall k for kde? |
| 03:58.19 | epsilon | kde virtual mashine :D |
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| 03:59.21 | abrotman | yes |
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| 04:01.28 | g333k_laptop | hi, do you know how to convert pdf 2 doc? |
| 04:01.42 | Xorm | Type it out manually? |
| 04:02.02 | Xorm | You can do doc -> pdf |
| 04:02.15 | Xorm | But pdf isn't designed to be easily converted from. |
| 04:02.55 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: there are a few tools you have to go through |
| 04:03.02 | abrotman | and none of them are great |
| 04:03.35 | g333k_laptop | :( |
| 04:03.41 | abrotman | pdf2ps |
| 04:03.50 | g333k_laptop | I was looking some pdf2doc, but there is no one |
| 04:04.00 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, then ps2doc? |
| 04:04.33 | abrotman | do you want to retain format ? |
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| 04:05.07 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, just text |
| 04:05.18 | abrotman | pdf2ps | ps2txt |
| 04:05.27 | abrotman | and no .. i've never used it :) |
| 04:05.36 | abrotman | also ps2ascii |
| 04:05.53 | Azar | The blog I am reading might be as well been written by Guerin... |
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| 04:08.11 | Azar | hehehe http://penguinpetes.com/images/blue_screen_still.jpg |
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| 04:14.07 | edison | Help i want to use `streamer -f mjpeg -F mono8 -t 00:00:10 -o /proc/self/fd/1 | ffmpeg -i - -target ntsc-vcd out.mpg' and it's not work, how can i do that ? |
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| 04:50.31 | niru | hello all |
| 04:50.47 | pmv | sup |
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| 04:55.28 | yunhual | s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 04:55.29 | yunhual | this is one line of /etc/inittab |
| 04:55.30 | niru | pmv:hello yunhual |
| 04:55.31 | yunhual | after startup, i can see startup message though serial console, |
| 04:55.32 | yunhual | after all service startup, have no login: prompt on serial console, |
| 04:55.34 | yunhual | so, i login with ssh, and run "/sbin/agetty ttyS0 9600 vt100" |
| 04:55.37 | yunhual | then i can see the "login:" prompt form serial console. |
| 04:55.37 | yunhual | any help ?? |
| 04:55.47 | yunhual | niru, hello |
| 04:56.00 | niru | yunhual:file=$(zenity --title="Open File..." --file-selection) |
| 04:56.29 | yunhual | niru, what do you mean? |
| 04:56.47 | niru | I want to write a shell script that will fetch the file and decide whether that is .pdf file or not |
| 04:57.27 | niru | what is the program? |
| 04:57.58 | yunhual | according to suffix ???? |
| 04:58.20 | yunhual | s0:2345:respawn:/sbin/agetty ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
| 04:58.22 | yunhual | this is one line of /etc/inittab,after startup, i can see startup message though serial console,after all service startup, have no login: prompt on serial console,so, i login with ssh, and run "/sbin/agetty ttyS0 9600 vt100"then i can see the "login:" prompt form serial console. |
| 04:58.22 | edison | help, i try to use `streamer -n ntsc -f rgb24 -r 29.97 -s 352x240 -F stereo -t 00:00:10 -o /dev/stdout | ffmpeg -i - -target ntsc-vcd out6.mpg' but it doesn't work, they are another way to do that ? |
| 04:58.24 | yunhual | any help ?? |
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| 04:59.23 | niru | yes yunhual |
| 05:00.02 | pmv | heh |
| 05:01.00 | yunhual | if you want to do that according to the suffix of the file name, it is not difficult, i think |
| 05:01.37 | _Petrus_ | Can anyone tell me...with apt...why when something needs a particular library, it's necessary to download a "dev" version of said library as well? At the moment I'm talking about glib...when I've compiled said lib from source on non-Debian systems in the past, a single lib gets compiled...the source doesn't seem to make the distinction between a "dev" and runtime or other version. |
| 05:02.16 | niru | yunhual:you mean a comparison will do? |
| 05:02.36 | vulture | _Petrus_: what's the full package name of a package that demonstrates your point? |
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| 05:03.17 | wols_ | _Petrus_: usually the -dev version of a package has the headers for it in case of libraries |
| 05:03.37 | wols_ | you only need -dev packages if you want to use the library to compile something else with the lib |
| 05:03.52 | _Petrus_ | vulture...libglib-1.2 is what I'm talking about at the moment |
| 05:04.08 | DocPlatypus | okay, what is the purpose of include/linux/version.h and where does it come from? |
| 05:04.10 | wols_ | this is normal for binary based distros. on source based ones you always have the headers since you had to compile the library in the first place |
| 05:04.15 | vulture | _Petrus_: it doesn't seem to depend on any -dev variant.. |
| 05:04.17 | _Petrus_ | wols...yes I know that...what I'm trying to understand is the rationale behind why they're split up |
| 05:04.45 | vulture | _Petrus_: libglib1.2 should install just fine & be usable by any applications that require libglib1.2 without the -dev package. |
| 05:04.46 | DocPlatypus | I am trying to compile ALSA drivers for a CMedia 8788-based sound card and the configure for the source that came from Bluegears keeps looking for this file |
| 05:04.48 | _Petrus_ | in terms of...why said headers aren't simply included in the same package |
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| 05:04.56 | wols_ | cause in a binary based distro you're not supposed to compile the lib or anything else yourself. which means it'd be useless traffic for you to download those headers |
| 05:05.08 | vulture | If you need to _build_ packages that require libglib1.2 will probably have a build time dependency on libglib1.2-dev |
| 05:05.19 | vulture | _Petrus_: because they aren't needed unless you're building something with the library |
| 05:05.33 | _Petrus_ | wols...so there's no reason for it other than to discourage compiling things? |
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| 05:05.46 | vulture | I for one don't have libglib1.2-dev installed. But I do have libglib1.2, if I tried to remove it no doubt other things wouldn't work, but they don't need libglib1.2-dev |
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| 05:06.00 | wols_ | no. the reason is to save you and especially the debian mirrors too, useless traffic, useless waste of diskspace |
| 05:06.04 | vulture | _Petrus_: It's not to encourage or discourage anything - it'sjust so you can install what you need and nothing more.. |
| 05:06.18 | wols_ | for the maintainers it would be easier to just include it instead of generating more packages to maintain |
| 05:06.27 | vulture | in this case, it saves me half a MB of disk space |
| 05:06.33 | _Petrus_ | I had a feeling that disk space was going to be the answer |
| 05:06.45 | vulture | same reason we have packages at all.. |
| 05:06.54 | vulture | so we can install the packages we want to, and not those we don't.. |
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| 05:07.02 | wols_ | debian doesn't discourage self compiling, apt-get build, kernel-package, etc are all there to make self comipiling very easy. as are build-deps maintained over all packages |
| 05:07.39 | _Petrus_ | ok, well...thanks for the help, guys... :) |
| 05:07.40 | wols_ | if debian would discourage compiling all this extra work wouldn't be done |
| 05:07.50 | vulture | the logical separation is between a need for the library at runtime, and the files needed to compile such software. I really shouldn't need to install headers & other dev related things for every library I happen to use on my system.. that'd be really rather annoying. I doubt it's true of any other distro either. |
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| 05:09.06 | _Petrus_ | vulture...Debian just isn't the system for me, that's all...I've known that for a while...I just hadn't seen Ubuntu and was curious...but I should have remembered these sorts of issues before I downloaded it...but like I said, thank you for the help. |
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| 05:09.31 | vulture | weird.. |
| 05:09.33 | Pavel_K | lol |
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| 05:09.55 | wols_ | either a gentoo user or a bsd one :) |
| 05:10.14 | Guerin | well |
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| 05:10.25 | Guerin | i agree that sometimes debian's atomisation is a bit OTT |
| 05:10.51 | vulture | I quite like it - though it does make for some rather verbose lists of "bits" when you install something that would otherwise appear to be quite simple |
| 05:10.53 | Guerin | and then on the other extreme you have tetex, which is about 100MB in one (non-meta) package |
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| 05:15.58 | Guerin | Eben Moglen is god-like |
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| 05:16.19 | Guerin | go and listen to the speech he gave at the plone conference immediately |
| 05:16.23 | Guerin | it's on /. |
| 05:16.30 | DocPlatypus | ok. I have a basic question about how Debian kernels are packaged. do they grab a certain version of ALSA for each kernel and compile all the modules for that kernel? |
| 05:17.05 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: yes, all alsa stuff is in-kernel. AIUI it's the same version of the alsa modules as in the stock kernel. |
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| 05:17.52 | DocPlatypus | ok. I just built this system for a friend of mine and he has a sound card from Bluegears, apparently based on a C-Media 8788 chipset |
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| 05:18.18 | Guerin | most of those are snd-cmipci |
| 05:18.25 | Guerin | (i think) |
| 05:18.31 | DocPlatypus | they gave us source code of ALSA drivers 1.0.11 with hacked in support for the 8788 |
| 05:18.43 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
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| 05:18.52 | Guerin | will it patch into the kernel? |
| 05:19.09 | DocPlatypus | I think snd-cmipci doesn't support the 8788 as of kernel 2.6.18 |
| 05:19.22 | Guerin | right, well, if they gave you source, it won't. |
| 05:19.44 | Guerin | the source will probably be written to a given kernel version |
| 05:19.57 | Guerin | so I suggest patching the kernel tree and building it |
| 05:19.59 | DocPlatypus | okay, the source they gave us, following their directions, is looking for this include/linux/version.h |
| 05:20.28 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: install kernel headers and such |
| 05:20.33 | Guerin | -dev libraries |
| 05:20.44 | DocPlatypus | Guerin: I'm pretty sure I already did this |
| 05:20.54 | DocPlatypus | linux-headers or some such? |
| 05:20.59 | Guerin | i think that is in linux-kernel-headers-dev, the bizarre cross-compatibility one |
| 05:21.02 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:21.05 | DocPlatypus | oh |
| 05:21.10 | DocPlatypus | and this is on an amd64 arch if it matters |
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| 05:22.06 | DocPlatypus | I don't have a linux-kernel-headers-dev |
| 05:22.08 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: /msg dpkg search for how to find out what's needed |
| 05:22.09 | DocPlatypus | just a linux-kernel-headers |
| 05:22.28 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:23.42 | DocPlatypus | is it a safe bet that Bluegears' changes were given back to the ALSA project? |
| 05:24.00 | DocPlatypus | and that the driver would thus be in 2.6.19 when that kernel is packaged for Debian? |
| 05:26.19 | Guerin | none of that is a safe bet |
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| 05:26.26 | Guerin | you'd want to ask lkml |
| 05:27.02 | Guerin | what are your rights to the code? Presuming it's developed from the existing cmi drivers, it should be gpl, so you could submit it to the kernel dev team yourself. |
| 05:27.04 | krenin | Hi, I have a question. Do the NVIDIA Linux drivers from www.nvidia.com support NVIDIA Vanta cards? (I'm running Debian etch here...) |
| 05:27.10 | DocPlatypus | okay, I am guessing the fact that we got source code on the CD that came with the sound card is a very good thing, eh? |
| 05:27.17 | Guerin | krenin: the 1990s want their video card back |
| 05:27.19 | DocPlatypus | the COPYING file is the GPL |
| 05:27.23 | krenin | Guerin, heh |
| 05:27.48 | Guerin | krenin: the answer is usually no, since they made a driver which obsoleted old cards - i think sid has a nvidia-legacy driver or such |
| 05:27.54 | DocPlatypus | krenin: I doubt they do. but I think it'll work as a plain VESA card |
| 05:28.10 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: then you can submit the code to lkml if you want it included - if they don't already have it. |
| 05:28.25 | Guerin | krenin: it'll work with nv, but without opengl |
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| 05:29.33 | Guerin | DocPlatypus: yeah, that's a good bet that the linux devs will have it. |
| 05:29.34 | krenin | ok later |
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| 05:36.21 | sciboy | I forgot, what's the command for switching the default QT version to compile with? |
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| 05:38.01 | Guerin | !htfswk sciboy |
| 05:38.02 | dpkg | sciboy: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 05:38.11 | Guerin | sciboy: how're tricks, anyway? Long time no see. |
| 05:38.43 | sciboy | Heh. |
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| 05:43.55 | minerale | Greetings, when compiling a new kernel (via fakeroot make deb-pkg ) -- what is the default level of optimisation? and how can I change it ? |
| 05:44.21 | chugga | you want to optimize your kernel? |
| 05:45.44 | minerale | chugga: yeah, I was looking at the Makefile |
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| 05:46.10 | chugga | ok nevermind |
| 05:46.17 | minerale | and it seems to do -O2 by default and -Os if opptimise for size is set |
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| 05:47.19 | peterS | minerale: seriously, the optimisation isn't something you want to mess with for a kernel. the kernel developers know a ton more than you do about how gcc behaves and how to make it generate good code |
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| 05:48.20 | peterS | minerale: set the appropriate CPU type in the configuration menu and restrain your urge to prove you know more about the compiler than the kernel developers |
| 05:48.30 | sciboy | Found it, update-alternatives. |
| 05:48.34 | minerale | peters: well do you know if there is any harm in compiling the kernel using -O3 ? |
| 05:48.43 | sciboy | Guerin, You would know cause it's a debian specific command. =P |
| 05:48.49 | peterS | minerale: if that were better than -O2, don't you think the kernel developers would have used it by default? |
| 05:49.04 | peterS | minerale: it will work, but -O2 will most likely give a faster kernel |
| 05:49.38 | minerale | peters: it's the natural urge for exploration and tinkering -- just asking |
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| 05:50.23 | peterS | minerale: of course, if you're just wanting to play around, do whatever you want. I'm just telling you that the kernel developers pay _very_ close attention to gcc features and what kind of code it generates in what circumstances, and you aren't going to be able to outsmart them unless you are a gcc developer yourself |
| 05:51.25 | peterS | minerale: there is a kernel config option for -fregparm somewhere, you definitely want to enable that (I think it's on by default, but it was experimental for awhile, which is why the option exists at all - I'm pretty sure it's considered stable now) |
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| 05:55.14 | WerdnaServer | gcc is coming up with this |
| 05:55.17 | WerdnaServer | conftest.c: In function `main': |
| 05:55.19 | WerdnaServer | conftest.c:17: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 05:55.29 | WerdnaServer | seems to be called by this |
| 05:55.30 | WerdnaServer | configure:1696: gcc -V </dev/null >&5 |
| 05:55.30 | WerdnaServer | gcc: `-V' option must have argument |
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| 05:55.36 | WerdnaServer | in a ./configure script I'm running |
| 05:55.50 | peterS | WerdnaServer: can you reproduce the bug reliably? it always crashes in exactly the same place? |
| 05:55.55 | WerdnaServer | yes. |
| 05:56.03 | WerdnaServer | it's in the atheme ./configure |
| 05:56.07 | peterS | WerdnaServer: I ask because usually in this situation it's flaky hardware or kernel and gcc crashes somewhat randomly |
| 05:56.08 | WerdnaServer | it was working about an hour or two ago |
| 05:56.19 | peterS | i.e., not always in the same place |
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| 05:56.25 | WerdnaServer | shall I pastebin the output? |
| 05:56.32 | peterS | WerdnaServer: sure |
| 05:56.43 | WerdnaServer | one moment |
| 05:57.54 | peterS | WerdnaServer: especially when you say something worked an hour ago and does not work now, it sounds like a hardware failure, like memory, or dirty power |
| 05:58.13 | WerdnaServer | http://pastebin.ca/275091 |
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| 05:59.36 | goodshit | anyone know on a cisco pix 505e. how many vpn users can connect at once. and is multiple users can connect in using the same IP?? anyone know where i can find out the spec on this shit.. |
| 05:59.57 | peterS | WerdnaServer: try this: gcc -xc -c /dev/null -o foo.o |
| 06:00.14 | junix659 | goodshit: i'm on a 501 and 10 concurrent users |
| 06:00.20 | peterS | WerdnaServer: it should produce an empty object file "foo.o" - on my system an empty object file is 658 bytes - and should not crash while doing so |
| 06:00.41 | WerdnaServer | no crash |
| 06:00.42 | WerdnaServer | but |
| 06:00.42 | WerdnaServer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 634 2006-12-11 17:00 foo.o |
| 06:01.20 | peterS | heh |
| 06:01.30 | peterS | well, compiling /dev/null isn't all that dangerous (: |
| 06:01.40 | WerdnaServer | true, but best practices and such |
| 06:01.49 | WerdnaServer | anyway, what does that mean? |
| 06:01.52 | zinx | WerdnaServer: most likely, your system is broken |
| 06:01.57 | WerdnaServer | :(( |
| 06:01.57 | peterS | right. anyway, so compiling an empty source file does not crash, but compiling the near-empty one configure tries does crash? |
| 06:02.08 | WerdnaServer | obviously |
| 06:02.46 | zinx | WerdnaServer: it's most probably hardware; ram, cpu, hard drive, power supply, motherboard, etc |
| 06:02.50 | zinx | WerdnaServer: run memtest86+ on that machine |
| 06:02.53 | WerdnaServer | gcc version 3.4.6 (Debian 3.4.6-4) |
| 06:03.00 | peterS | WerdnaServer: recreate that source file configure output there (lines 74-90 of the paste) without the leading | character, and try compiling it on your own with 'gcc -c' |
| 06:03.10 | peterS | WerdnaServer: see if it always crashes or only sometimes |
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| 06:03.58 | peterS | WerdnaServer: 'cause I can tell you for sure, debian doesn't ship compilers that crash on that kind of input, so there's definitely something weird going on - probably your hardware but it would be nice to be sure |
| 06:04.21 | WerdnaServer | $ gcc -c test.h |
| 06:04.21 | WerdnaServer | test.h: In function `main': |
| 06:04.21 | WerdnaServer | test.h:33: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 06:04.30 | WerdnaServer | same output, ten tries |
| 06:04.39 | zinx | it's probably the hard drive or hard drive cable |
| 06:04.54 | zinx | in particular, gcc or something it uses is probably corrupt |
| 06:05.05 | zinx | smartctl may give you some insight |
| 06:05.09 | bathat | hi |
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| 06:05.15 | zinx | but sometimes it waits 'til well after the drive's failed to say anything |
| 06:05.32 | zinx | and getting smartctl on there may not be a good idea ;) |
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| 06:05.36 | bathat | i'm only able to use xsane as root |
| 06:05.44 | WerdnaServer | zinx: this is a virtual server. |
| 06:05.47 | WerdnaServer | all other servers are fine |
| 06:05.57 | WerdnaServer | recently changed: I fsck'd another partition |
| 06:05.57 | peterS | WerdnaServer: line 33? the original test program wasn't 33 lines long - is this similar? |
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| 06:06.16 | WerdnaServer | peterS: it was by the time pastebin mangled it. I fixed it all up and it's now on line 7 |
| 06:06.17 | fallback | 50 blank CD-Rs 40x = $10 |
| 06:06.20 | fallback | is this cheap? |
| 06:06.22 | peterS | ahhh |
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| 06:06.44 | zinx | WerdnaServer: well, some file is corrupt |
| 06:06.49 | zinx | WerdnaServer: you can check with debsums |
| 06:06.52 | peterS | fallback: about average, I'd say, in the central US. I mean it's not a _bad_ price but I wouldn't go out of my way to stock up on CD-Rs, it isn't that good |
| 06:07.04 | zinx | WerdnaServer: but writing/reading from a failing drive is a bad idea |
| 06:07.22 | WerdnaServer | would this have caused it: |
| 06:07.26 | WerdnaServer | mv /usr /data/usr |
| 06:07.28 | zinx | unless you're reading to another drive to back it up :) |
| 06:07.29 | peterS | fallback: (don't "stock up" on CD-R media anyway, unless you go through a lot of it, as it _does_ have a finite shelf life, maybe three or four years before you burn it) |
| 06:07.35 | WerdnaServer | ln -s /data/usr /usr |
| 06:07.44 | fallback | lol |
| 06:07.48 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.48 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.53 | zinx | WerdnaServer: it would if the data got corrupted when you moved it from one filesystem to another |
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| 06:07.58 | fallback | what did you say? |
| 06:08.04 | WerdnaServer | zinx: best way to figure that out? |
| 06:08.08 | zinx | WerdnaServer: debsums. |
| 06:08.09 | WerdnaServer | I was in single-user mode the whole time... |
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| 06:08.21 | peterS | fallback: that's what's known as a loldude |
| 06:08.21 | fallback | nice |
| 06:08.21 | zinx | WerdnaServer: it would have been corrupted from a hardware fault. |
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| 06:08.24 | fallback | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.31 | fallback | k |
| 06:08.35 | zinx | WerdnaServer: ram, hard drive, hard drive cable, or motherboard |
| 06:08.44 | zinx | WerdnaServer: also possibly CPU but it's not as likely |
| 06:08.59 | zinx | WerdnaServer: and swap motherboard with IDE controller at your option |
| 06:09.09 | WerdnaServer | I told you, it's a virtual server. |
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| 06:09.20 | zinx | WerdnaServer: virtual servers run on real computers |
| 06:09.24 | WerdnaServer | right |
| 06:09.30 | WerdnaServer | but I don't have any access to that. |
| 06:09.39 | zinx | then bitch at the people who do |
| 06:09.52 | WerdnaServer | well there's no evidence to suggest that box is at fault |
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| 06:10.01 | peterS | fallback: see my picture at http://debstats.dontexist.org/ to see what the loldude is supposed to look like |
| 06:10.03 | zinx | you mean apart from files getting corrupted? |
| 06:10.06 | WerdnaServer | running debsums... |
| 06:10.22 | zinx | the only other explanation for that is you running some weirdass gentoo kernel or something, and i'm pretty sure you're not doing that ;) |
| 06:10.26 | minerale | how long does it take to compile a kernel on a modern machine ? |
| 06:10.38 | phated | peterS: lol |
| 06:10.42 | phated | ^.^ |
| 06:10.43 | zinx | minerale: depends largely on the speed of the hard drive |
| 06:10.43 | Guerin | minerale: between two minutes and ten hours |
| 06:10.54 | peterS | phated: what, no capital P? |
| 06:11.03 | Guerin | minerale: fastest I've heard of is about 90 seconds on a 128-CPU itanium box |
| 06:11.05 | phated | peterS: No capital D either. :) |
| 06:11.08 | Guerin | which was HDD-bound |
| 06:11.13 | phated | Guerin: Shiny. |
| 06:11.25 | Guerin | phated: it was one of toresbe's geek-friends |
| 06:11.30 | peterS | phated: yeah but you used to use a capital P. I had to verify that you were identified with services to make sure this one's really you |
| 06:11.37 | Guerin | haha |
| 06:11.39 | phated | Guerin: Ahahah. |
| 06:11.48 | fallback | peterS, what about 50 DVD-Rs = $20 |
| 06:11.49 | fallback | ? |
| 06:11.50 | phated | peterS: :) |
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| 06:12.24 | peterS | fallback: I dunno, that sounds like a good price to me, but I don't buy DVD media as I don't have a burner for it, so I don't really know. make sure you buy the right kind of DVD media, not all burners will work with all media types |
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| 06:12.51 | phated | fallback: That actually sounds -reasonable-. Not great, but not bad. |
| 06:13.05 | Guerin | phated: one of my workmates bought a debsoc 'Talk Nerdy To Me' tshirt from a second-hand shop |
| 06:13.06 | DavidProck1981 | how do i tell if dma support is inabled |
| 06:13.16 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: man hdparm |
| 06:13.18 | phated | Guerin: Hahahahahaha. I HAVE THAT SHIRT |
| 06:13.20 | DavidProck1981 | or active |
| 06:13.29 | Guerin | phated: i thought of you when I saw it. He had no idea. |
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| 06:13.42 | phated | Guerin: Remember when you met me? That was the one I was attending. Vic Australs 2006 :) |
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| 06:13.46 | minerale | guerin: zinx mentions that it depends largely on the speed of the drive, I wonder, if I were to make a ramdrive and compile the kernel there - would that be significantly faster ? |
| 06:13.52 | Guerin | phated: no shit. |
| 06:14.04 | phated | Guerin: Yeh :D |
| 06:14.15 | Guerin | minerale: depends on the cpu. I've found it's moredependent on cpu than on hard drive. |
| 06:14.17 | zinx | minerale: No |
| 06:14.27 | zinx | minerale: the kernel will cache the files in ram |
| 06:14.29 | bathat | xsane only works as root |
| 06:14.32 | phated | Guerin: Six degrees much :) |
| 06:14.32 | DavidProck1981 | man hdparm |
| 06:14.32 | Guerin | but then, i tend to have slow CPUs |
| 06:14.40 | bathat | any ideas how i'd change that? |
| 06:14.40 | DavidProck1981 | No manual entry for hdparm |
| 06:14.52 | peterS | !installit |
| 06:14.52 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 06:14.53 | Guerin | phated: it was at least eight degrees. |
| 06:15.00 | zinx | minerale: you're only reducing the amount of ram available for compiling in case it's needed by using a ramdisk (and thus causing swapping in those cases) |
| 06:15.11 | phated | Guerin: :( |
| 06:15.38 | zinx | minerale: unless you have -way- too much ram anyway, and then you'll only be moving the compile time to before you compile it (the initial copy to the ramdisk) |
| 06:15.38 | DavidProck1981 | bash: hdparm: command not found |
| 06:15.40 | Guerin | phated: come back in summer, it will be warmer |
| 06:15.52 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you're too fucking stupid to use a computer. |
| 06:15.55 | pmv | hee hee |
| 06:15.57 | phated | Guerin: Awesome. |
| 06:16.08 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: i've been trying to intimate this for a few weeks, it seems I need to be clear. |
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| 06:16.18 | phated | Guerin: I actually had to shout at DavidProck1981 once - I tried to be niec :( |
| 06:16.22 | peterS | Guerin: check it out - http://debstats.dontexist.org/ - the two winners in one particular category are DavidProck1981 and DavidProck1982 |
| 06:16.29 | pmv | haha |
| 06:17.09 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:17.14 | phated | Guerin: Indeed. |
| 06:17.21 | iLLf8d | bbl |
| 06:18.08 | mikecd | dpkg seen jcollins? |
| 06:18.08 | dpkg | jcollins <n=jcollins@h-66-167-169-18.dnvtco56.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 277d 14h 21m 26s ago, saying: 'fireba11: that's not been my experience'. |
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| 06:19.15 | Danamania | DavidProck1981: install it. |
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| 06:21.21 | pmv | DavidProck1981: install hdparm |
| 06:22.08 | WerdnaServer | hmmm |
| 06:22.09 | WerdnaServer | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.6/cc1 FAILED |
| 06:22.12 | WerdnaServer | what package is that? |
| 06:22.25 | phated | Heh, apt-get install it should be an easter egg that replies "What did #debian ask you to install?" |
| 06:22.44 | WerdnaServer | lol |
| 06:23.20 | peterS | WerdnaServer: gcc-3.4 |
| 06:23.20 | pmv | haha |
| 06:24.22 | PumpkinPie | lets put all debian users in a jail and make them develop |
| 06:24.27 | PumpkinPie | would have to setup something like guantanamo bay |
| 06:24.42 | PumpkinPie | for legal reasons of course |
| 06:24.46 | peterS | would they be allowed to use the 'git(mo)' source control tool? |
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| 06:26.00 | DavidProck1981 | for the "Get/set sector count for filesystem (software) read-ahead" what would be a good value, i have a 7200 RPM drive if that helps |
| 06:26.00 | WerdnaServer | hooray |
| 06:26.01 | WerdnaServer | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/3.4.6/cc1 OK |
| 06:26.06 | WerdnaServer | oops, double-paste |
| 06:26.35 | peterS | DavidProck1981: why do you need to know? |
| 06:26.40 | WerdnaServer | hooray, the 7-line program from before compiles now |
| 06:26.52 | peterS | WerdnaServer: so whatever you just did seems to have helped |
| 06:27.15 | DavidProck1981 | cause this time i did my system things are evry different.... |
| 06:27.16 | WerdnaServer | thanks for helping out |
| 06:27.22 | WerdnaServer | and yes, the configure script now runs okay |
| 06:28.14 | peterS | DavidProck1981: I dunno, I have trouble imagining _any_ situation where you should be asked about sector readahead values. that sort of thing is for experts to mess with |
| 06:28.50 | peterS | if you are asked for this information it is a sign that whatever you've decided to mess with, you're in over your head |
| 06:29.23 | minerale | is it normal to see lots of warnings when compiling a kernel ? |
| 06:29.32 | peterS | it's normal to see a few here and there |
| 06:29.35 | phated | Yes. |
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| 06:29.48 | phated | Unless you see an error that stops it entirely, it's all going fine. |
| 06:29.55 | DavidProck1981 | peterS: like if im coping or moving a file , while that process is going if i tri to open a folder or a konsole for that mater it will not poen the the file copy or move gets done |
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| 06:30.09 | WerdnaServer | that made no sense whatsoever |
| 06:30.24 | phated | WerdnaServer: Which is why we're mostly just sitting back now. |
| 06:30.27 | DavidProck1981 | not open until* the the file copy or move gets done |
| 06:30.31 | Guerin | WerdnaServer: welcome to #debian with DavidProck1981 |
| 06:30.51 | peterS | Guerin: you mean s/with/vs./ ? |
| 06:30.53 | WerdnaServer | actually, I managed to figure it out |
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| 06:31.05 | WerdnaServer | it took three readings, and a fair bit of inference |
| 06:31.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:31.12 | DavidProck1981 | wtf does that mean Guerin |
| 06:31.35 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: it means your ability to confuse and bamboozle the channel is almost unprecedented |
| 06:31.37 | DavidProck1981 | "(01:31:29 PM) Guerin: WerdnaServer: welcome to #debian with DavidProck1981" |
| 06:31.41 | WerdnaServer | what he's saying is that when he tries to open a folder, or a console window at the same time as copying or moving a file, opening the window will not complete until the copy/move is over |
| 06:31.50 | Guerin | i say almost, because there were others who did so before you |
| 06:31.59 | RichiH | how can i tell apt-get to recreate its package information from what is in /var/cahe/apt/archive ? |
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| 06:32.18 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude is better than apt-get |
| 06:32.22 | Guerin | RichiH: err, dselect can do it |
| 06:32.31 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: suggest you stay out of this one. |
| 06:32.42 | Guerin | !dselect status |
| 06:32.44 | Guerin | mm |
| 06:32.49 | Guerin | don knows |
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| 06:32.57 | Guerin | i think TFM knows too |
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| 06:33.26 | phated | Guerin: http://phated.kicks-ass.net:8089/4 \o/ :) |
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| 06:38.32 | minerale | sudo /etc/init.d/joke stop |
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| 06:38.58 | phated | PAssword: |
| 06:39.06 | minerale | badgersex |
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| 06:39.53 | phated | oohhhhh, it's a snaaaaaAKE |
| 06:40.39 | geo-rge | that must have been the password :) |
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| 06:42.21 | Guerin | phated: pwnt |
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| 06:47.27 | Danamania | I have Evolution running with junk mail filtering via spamassassin on - it seems very slow on this 400MHz G3 - If I have 10 spam emails and mark them all as junk, the sa-learn process uses masses of CPU for a minute or two, and checking each message when retrieving them via a POP connection seems to take a few seconds for each incoming message, but without junk filtering it can bring in 20-30 messages/second. |
| 06:47.27 | Danamania | Does Evo+SA usually take that much time to learn & check for spam on a machine around that speed? |
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| 06:48.13 | geo-rge | what's perl regex for whitespace of any kind? |
| 06:48.15 | peterS | Danamania: I don't use SA but I understand it's horribly slow, especially if you don't use it in client/server mode, so your report doesn't really surprise me |
| 06:48.18 | peterS | Guerin: \s |
| 06:48.23 | peterS | geo-rge: \s+ actually |
| 06:48.36 | geo-rge | +? |
| 06:48.43 | geo-rge | that makes it repeat? |
| 06:48.57 | peterS | + means at least one of the preceding regex |
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| 06:49.11 | geo-rge | I thought that might be... thanks |
| 06:49.17 | peterS | so \s is any single space character, \s+ is any contiguous amount of whitespace |
| 06:49.23 | karsten | Danamania: SA can be relatively heavy/slow in several aspects. A 400 MHz G3 is a pretty venerable system for desktop use. GNOME (if you're running Evo I'll assume same) is also pretty heavy. Memory and network latency are other considerations. |
| 06:49.32 | Danamania | peterS: that's cool if it's meant to be, as opposed to me screwing something up somewhere :). |
| 06:49.36 | karsten | Danamania: Is spamd running? |
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| 06:50.03 | Danamania | spamd is, yeah |
| 06:50.09 | karsten | Danamania: I'd _not_ expect ten messages a minute to strain SA all that much. Might check to see how many child processes you're allowing as well. |
| 06:50.23 | geo-rge | cool, that worked. thanks |
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| 06:50.48 | peterS | geo-rge: btw, 'man perlre' is pretty readable, though a bit long, but it will save you a lot of time in the long run |
| 06:51.00 | karsten | Danamania: spamd is the heavyweight perl process. If you've got the memory and firepower, up the number of children (10 == default IIRC) and you may see better throughput. If you're getting crunched on CPU and memory, *and* SA is the culprit, cut the number of children. |
| 06:51.09 | karsten | Danamania: I'd keep at least 5 running m'self |
| 06:51.20 | geo-rge | read it awhile back... I just couldn't remember those special cases |
| 06:51.26 | Guerin | not much point if you only get a few spam at a time, though |
| 06:51.28 | niru | geo-rge:hello |
| 06:51.33 | geo-rge | hi |
| 06:51.49 | karsten | phated: Mr. 1982 is pretty much as you find him to be. |
| 06:51.59 | niru | geo-rge:Is there any shell scrip for converting a .pdf to .ppt |
| 06:52.11 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 06:52.14 | Guerin | karsten: he just flounced off when I told him he was too fucking stupid to use a computer. |
| 06:52.18 | niru | geo-rge:Is there any shell scrip for converting a pdf file to a ppt format |
| 06:52.19 | karsten | niru: Um. That's non-orthoganal. |
| 06:52.24 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 06:52.33 | niru | karsten:how |
| 06:52.51 | karsten | niru: You could probably wrap the PDF in a PPT shell, but it's not going to be a standard powerpoint. PDF is a display, not an editing format. Go back to sources. |
| 06:53.28 | karsten | Guerin: I pretty much reached that conclusion sometime last week, if not earlier. |
| 06:53.32 | geo-rge | now I just need to figure out perl's loopy thing with -e |
| 06:53.50 | niru | karsten:so you mean a PDF file cannot be converted into a PPT |
| 06:53.57 | Guerin | niru: if you just want a q&d, you can chop the pdf up into individual pages and embed each in a ppt slide |
| 06:54.17 | karsten | niru: I mean that if you expect to be able to edit the elements of the PDF within the PPT, you're in for a world of hurt. |
| 06:54.20 | Guerin | where q&d == quick and dirty, not quiet & deadly |
| 06:54.29 | niru | Guerin:how I can do that in a script(bsh scripting language) |
| 06:54.34 | karsten | niru: Impossible? Probably not. Difficult? Quite. |
| 06:54.36 | Guerin | niru: use pdftk |
| 06:54.42 | Danamania | karsten: righto - at the moment it's all default, I've done nothing more than install evolution then spamassassin, and set up a couple of POP accounts. It's not high RAM machine either, 128MB. I'll poke about in SA now |
| 06:54.42 | Guerin | stupid? definitely |
| 06:54.51 | Guerin | when you can just use the damn pdf as-is |
| 06:54.53 | karsten | Danamania: Ouch. |
| 06:55.03 | niru | pdftk? fullform please |
| 06:55.17 | geo-rge | google could help you there |
| 06:55.32 | niru | Guerin:its not stupid |
| 06:55.46 | niru | Guerin:a tool actually uses only pdf format |
| 06:55.55 | karsten | Danamania: Minimize the child processes. There are more lightweight spam filters than SA. bogofilter and um, CRS114 or something like that.... |
| 06:55.56 | Danamania | karsten: just a play machine really, to see what Etch is getting up to lately :). |
| 06:56.01 | niru | Guerin:And i want to see that it also uses ppt |
| 06:56.18 | karsten | Danamania: crm114. Not sure if it ties in with evo. |
| 06:56.27 | karsten | Danamania: Right. You're working with pretty minimal HW. |
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| 06:57.00 | peterS | karsten: minimal hardware? this is the Mac Quadra fan you're talking to |
| 06:57.03 | karsten | Danamania: 'apt-cache searh spam filter' |
| 06:57.13 | karsten | peterS: For you, minimal hardware ... |
| 06:57.18 | karsten | peterS: ... is an abacus ... |
| 06:57.23 | karsten | peterS: ... with one bead ... |
| 06:57.28 | karsten | peterS: ... that's missing. |
| 06:57.43 | karsten | geo-rge: Thank you. |
| 06:57.49 | karsten | Erm. |
| 06:57.53 | karsten | You get the idea. |
| 06:58.01 | Guerin | niru: ?? |
| 06:58.22 | peterS | not me, Dana |
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| 06:58.35 | Guerin | Danamania: use greylisting, forget spam for evar. |
| 06:58.43 | niru | I am taking about a presentation tool Guerin |
| 06:58.53 | g333k_laptop | what do I need to enable the hibernate function using gnome-power-manager? I use etch |
| 06:58.57 | peterS | Guerin: I use postgrey but still get a significant amount of spam. crm114, however, eats pretty much all of it |
| 06:58.58 | Guerin | Danamania: and don't listen to Karsten's opinions about spam, he believes in segregation by ASL. |
| 06:59.05 | Guerin | or ASM or whatever it's called ;) |
| 06:59.12 | peterS | AS number |
| 06:59.26 | Danamania | peterS: surprisingly, I've barely touched a Quadra for a long while. I must go get back in touch with my roots. *snif* |
| 06:59.27 | Guerin | peterS: really. I get a few % of the spam I used to since postgrey. |
| 06:59.32 | karsten | niru: You might also be able to go a multi-hop route. pdf2html, html2ppt or something like. Not sure of a tool that does that last hop but should be more straightforward. |
| 06:59.47 | karsten | Danamania: greylisting does work pretty effectively and efficiently. Running your own mailserver? |
| 07:00.14 | Danamania | karsten: aye - a little PPC web/mail/etc server on Sarge. |
| 07:00.40 | Danamania | don't let peterS know it's not 68k, I might lose my reputation. |
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| 07:00.58 | peterS | Guerin: I'm not sure how much more I'd get without postgrey as I don't do much log-crunching for that. but crm114 eats a really high percent of what does get through (false positive rate seems to be 1% or less, which is as good as I need) |
| 07:00.59 | karsten | Danamania: Filter your port25 then. You can include SA in the checks, but you'll get a hell of a lot of mileage from other tools as well. |
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| 07:01.26 | g333k_laptop | what do I need to enable the hibernate function using gnome-power-manager? I use etch |
| 07:01.30 | niru | karsten:We have a converter for that |
| 07:01.32 | tuv | karsten, are you doing any multi-hop routing research? |
| 07:01.34 | peterS | Danamania: it's ok, I know your G3 is really an emulated G3 on a 68k. (that was a pretty funny hack you did a year or two ago there) |
| 07:01.34 | karsten | peterS: I ran stats on linuxmafia.com the other day, 40k+ spam delivery attempts rejected in a 10 day period. |
| 07:01.41 | karsten | niru: That's your solution then. |
| 07:01.45 | karsten | tuv: No. |
| 07:01.54 | karsten | tuv: Why? |
| 07:01.55 | niru | karsten:But I want to have a 5-6 line code that will convert only a pdf to ppt |
| 07:01.59 | Danamania | peterS: yes! that's exactly what it is. 0.05MHz wins. |
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| 07:02.10 | karsten | niru: Sounds like a personal problem to me. |
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| 07:02.21 | tuv | karsten, i hardly hear the term 'multi-hop' in other contexts |
| 07:02.40 | karsten | tuv: Um. What context? |
| 07:02.55 | tuv | karsten, multi-hop routing.. networking |
| 07:03.10 | karsten | tuv: Oh. "multi-hop" as in "convert from a to b, then from b to c", if an "a to c" converter doesn't exist. |
| 07:03.42 | concept10 | I forgot.. what is the name of the group made by Ian (founder of Debian) with the other distros? |
| 07:03.42 | khaleel5000 | Hi , I have ben trying to SUDO on debian etch , the problem is say I do sudo plog , it says sudo: must be setuid root , my /etc/sudoers is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/rMtqyV55.html (ya i am logged in as user khaleel, i am the only user of this system , i have teh root password) |
| 07:03.46 | karsten | tuv: Yeah, that may be the verbal meme floating in my head, same underlying context. |
| 07:03.55 | tuv | karsten, yes.. that was clear to me. but 'multi-hop' is not a conventional term for that |
| 07:03.59 | karsten | concept10: "Dead Group" |
| 07:04.19 | karsten | concept10: "United Linux" |
| 07:04.19 | concept10 | karsten, what _was_ it called? |
| 07:04.22 | peterS | concept10: userlinux? |
| 07:04.38 | karsten | tuv: So sue me. |
| 07:04.58 | tuv | karsten, nah.. not interested... |
| 07:05.08 | concept10 | no, he made a group, used the Debian name, there was a controversy and he just used the initials instead, but it represented Debian based distros. |
| 07:06.01 | peterS | Oh, you mean the Debian Common Core |
| 07:06.18 | peterS | or the DCC Common Core, if you believe those who say it doesn't actually stand for Debian |
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| 07:06.59 | peterS | DCCA, as I guess it is known |
| 07:07.03 | concept10 | peterS, Yes, that's what im looking for. thanks. |
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| 07:07.50 | concept10 | i was just reading this post about how open source software doesnt have right to trademarks the same as proprietary works. |
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| 07:08.01 | minerale | what does: yaird error: duplicate file system uuid -- mean (when building the ramdisk for a new kernel ) |
| 07:08.13 | concept10 | and I wanted to look at what happened with SPI and DCC |
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| 07:08.50 | peterS | minerale: you probably somehow created two filesystems with the same UUID and yaird isn't sure how to tell which one is the one you'll want, at boot time |
| 07:09.37 | magdalene | gnea msg me when you get back |
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| 07:10.17 | minerale | peters: how can I see the filesystem uuid ? |
| 07:11.06 | peterS | minerale: tune2fs -l /dev/whatever, if it is an ext2/ext3/ext4 filesystem |
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| 07:12.02 | tuv | hmm.. ext4 |
| 07:13.19 | peterS | don't get excited about ext4 yet, I just mentioned it for completeness. it's not really evolved away from ext3 yet, there's no point using it |
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| 07:13.58 | geo-rge | what are their goals for ext4? |
| 07:14.18 | Area-51 | im setting up my own mta with sendmail and courier-imap, and smtp is working, and im trying to use squirrelmail to access imap, but it keeps saying invalid login when i try to login as a normal user, and /var/log/mail.log just shows login failed... any ideas? (kernel 2.4) |
| 07:14.23 | peterS | geo-rge: large files and large filesystems, for one. extents, which goes with the above. (by 'large fs' I mean > 16 TB.) |
| 07:14.42 | minerale | peters: I only have one filesystem mounted -- what does yaird do (i'm just following tutorial instructions) can I create the ramdisk some other way ? |
| 07:14.49 | geo-rge | I guess it's getting time for that |
| 07:15.07 | geo-rge | now that 750g and up are available |
| 07:15.08 | peterS | geo-rge: yeah, people are starting to build multi-TB arrays and storing files larger than 2 TB on them. |
| 07:15.13 | Goyim | Area-51, did you do squirrelmail-configure |
| 07:15.43 | peterS | geo-rge: though I confess I don't see what use I would have for a file larger than a DVD image (9 GB), so I won't be an early adopter of ext4 or xfs or any of those |
| 07:15.45 | Area-51 | Goyim: yes? |
| 07:15.51 | khaleel5000 | i have modified my /etc/sudoers file after a lot of googling but still when I do say sudo plog (while being a user khaleel) it says sudo:- must be setuid root (my modified /etc/sudoers is pasted at sudo: must be setuid root |
| 07:16.06 | geo-rge | why not xfs? |
| 07:16.08 | khaleel5000 | sorry its pasted at http://rafb.net/paste/results/rMtqyV55.html |
| 07:16.22 | Goyim | Area-51, I dont know courier-imap, I use dovecot |
| 07:16.27 | geo-rge | other than the fact that grub has trouble withit |
| 07:16.27 | Goyim | im very sorry |
| 07:16.34 | devin_ | Hello! I would like to make my 120gb (seprate) drive my /home partition on my current system! it haves other partitons on it now if i wiped it clean and mounted it in fstab would it work fine? |
| 07:16.40 | peterS | geo-rge: xfs is big and complex so I never quite trusted it. and then in kernel 2.6.17 there was a major boo-boo where xfs would eat your brains. it's fixed now but it scared me away |
| 07:16.43 | `ns` | any ideas on why a dvd drive would spit out commercial dvd's ... other than the one Hong Kong bootleg disk I have |
| 07:16.48 | Area-51 | Goyim: the imap daemon appears to be working fine, just not sure if i missed some kind of auth or maildir option :S |
| 07:17.14 | geo-rge | devin_: you might consider covering the drive with an lvm pv |
| 07:17.28 | Goyim | Area-51, it only ever gave me that error if the imap server wasnt running |
| 07:17.34 | Goyim | the invalid login |
| 07:17.46 | geo-rge | `ns`: in order for it to spit out anything, it needs saliva glands... |
| 07:17.48 | Area-51 | Goyim: oh, so its probebly an imapd setting, okay |
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| 07:18.27 | Goyim | Area-51, if I might offer a bit of advice, dovecot is REALLY easy to configure , i only had to change 1 setting to get it working right |
| 07:18.35 | peterS | `ns`: these days DVD drives enforce "region coding". if your disc isn't pressed for the same region as the drive is set to, it won't read it |
| 07:18.40 | `ns` | geo-rge, heheh. I haven't used it in a long time for watching movies ... it used to work fine |
| 07:18.50 | devin_ | geo-rge alright so other then that it should work fine? |
| 07:19.25 | magdalene | ns, if you watched a hong kong bootleg it probably reset your coding to hong kong |
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| 07:19.32 | Area-51 | Goyim: nice, thanks |
| 07:19.39 | `ns` | peterS , how would I check to see what region it is set to ? |
| 07:19.46 | geo-rge | devin_: you want to keep the partitions on the drive? or get rid of them? |
| 07:19.55 | peterS | `ns`: the 'regionset' package can look |
| 07:19.58 | magdalene | you can only reset the coding on the software 5 times for most of them |
| 07:20.08 | Evil_Pink_Robot | how can i check for bad blocks on a ext3 partition? |
| 07:20.16 | peterS | `ns`: that might not be your problem anyway, if the drive used to work but now doesn't. it might just have worn out |
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| 07:20.24 | `ns` | magdalene, Hong Kong bootlegs general use the all-region setting |
| 07:20.30 | devin_ | geo-rge i just want the 120gb to be completely free so i can use it all for /home |
| 07:20.48 | geo-rge | then delete all partitions and put one partition on it |
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| 07:20.55 | peterS | `ns`: yeah but what magdalene is saying is, you can only run 'regionset' 5 times to change to a different region, then the hardware will refuse to make the change |
| 07:21.24 | `ns` | peterS, I've never run regionset though ..... |
| 07:21.30 | sep | Evil_Pink_Robot, the command badblocks |
| 07:21.31 | peterS | `ns`: I don't know then |
| 07:21.47 | Evil_Pink_Robot | sep: i don't see it, is it apt-gettable |
| 07:22.00 | Evil_Pink_Robot | sep: never mind, i was typing it wrong |
| 07:22.02 | sep | Evil_Pink_Robot, altho it's usualy used by the -c argument when you format with mkfs |
| 07:22.16 | magdalene | might be the coding was autoset by one of your dvds |
| 07:22.30 | magdalene | was one of them a sony perhaps |
| 07:22.31 | `ns` | peterS, I'm grabbing regionset, so I can take a look |
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| 07:23.01 | devin_ | geo-rge ok thanks |
| 07:23.20 | geo-rge | you're -SURE- you don't want the data on those partitions? |
| 07:23.46 | sep | Evil_Pink_Robot, so if you have a drive with data on it. it's often better to use that time to bacup your stuff properly then run badblocks |
| 07:23.46 | Evil_Pink_Robot | sep: no, i'm using a drive which i found lying around and is empty |
| 07:24.03 | sep | Evil_Pink_Robot, then you dont use badbocked directly. but the -c when mkfs |
| 07:24.10 | Evil_Pink_Robot | i converted the drive into a usb external storage machine and wanted to make sure it is okay before i started using it for backup purposes |
| 07:24.14 | sep | s/ed/s |
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| 07:25.22 | `ns` | peterS, drive plays discs from region(s): 1, mask=0xFE is what it shows, and all my disks are region 1 :( |
| 07:25.28 | Evil_Pink_Robot | sep: thanks for that |
| 07:26.13 | `ns` | probably a rebootr will cure it ... |
| 07:26.16 | Goyim | Area-51, the only setting in dovecot.conf I had to change was the protocols line |
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| 07:27.25 | minerale | is there any differnece between mkinitrd and mkinitrd.yaird? -- I was told to use the latter, which failed, and the former yields a unbootable kernel |
| 07:27.35 | Evil_Pink_Robot | sep: thanks, the test/format seems to be working fine |
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| 07:28.43 | phated | karsten: Heh, really. |
| 07:28.54 | bathat | where can i find the multimux package? |
| 07:29.17 | bathat | the site referenced by any2vob is unavailable and it's not in the repository |
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| 07:29.32 | bathat | nevermind |
| 07:31.06 | Danamania | Guerin, karsten: thankye both - postgrey seems to be greylisting just as it should, letting valid emails through. |
| 07:31.25 | minerale | peters: you still around? I need just a bit of help finishing up on a ramdisk |
| 07:31.38 | peterS | "finishing up on a ramdisk" - what does that mean? |
| 07:31.59 | magdalene | peters dessert? |
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| 07:32.23 | magdalene | no thanks im too full |
| 07:32.48 | minerale | peters: I need to create teh ramdisk -- and yaird finds duplicate file systems && vanilla makeinitrd yields an unbootable image |
| 07:32.55 | magdalene | they are nice on toast ive heard |
| 07:32.59 | Area-51 | Goyim: ive got dovecot working too, just like courier-imap, but i think there is more of a problem with squirrelmail... local mail sending and recieving works just fine, just webmail access via squirrelmail is being a pain |
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| 07:33.37 | peterS | minerale: are you on sarge or etch? |
| 07:33.45 | Goyim | how Area-51 msybe you missed something in sendmail-configure |
| 07:33.50 | peterS | minerale: also, what is your kernel version? |
| 07:33.51 | Goyim | server settings maybe |
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| 07:34.08 | minerale | peters: etch, trying to compile the latest |
| 07:34.16 | peterS | Goyim: also, why are you plural? |
| 07:34.31 | peterS | (though I suppose that's an odd question coming from one with my nick) |
| 07:34.53 | pmv | heh :-) |
| 07:34.53 | Goyim | peterS, im totally schozphrenic |
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| 07:35.20 | streuner | o_O |
| 07:35.24 | Goyim | i require ice cream |
| 07:35.39 | peterS | minerale: then I suggest installing 'initramfs-tools' and using that. it is a fairly popular alternative to yaird these days |
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| 07:36.12 | peterS | /nick goyS |
| 07:36.30 | g333k_laptop | hi. Does gconf2 replace gconf? |
| 07:36.41 | pmv | minerale: are you on yaird too? |
| 07:36.42 | pmv | for what purpose? |
| 07:37.05 | geo-rge | what's gcoinf and gconf2 for |
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| 07:37.17 | magdalene | dayglow yellow |
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| 07:37.36 | peterS | magdalene: a cow or a badger? |
| 07:37.45 | magdalene | doesn't matter |
| 07:37.53 | peterS | badgers aren't herbivores, though, come to think of it |
| 07:37.53 | magdalene | tho i do prefer steak |
| 07:38.02 | magdalene | ....i mean |
| 07:38.30 | g333k_laptop | geo-rge, they are pkgs |
| 07:38.38 | g333k_laptop | hi. Does the package gconf2 replace gconf? |
| 07:38.43 | peterS | even if badgers _are_ often found in a field with mushrooms |
| 07:39.06 | streuner | !tell g333k_laptop about repeat |
| 07:39.07 | magdalene | a snake a snake oooh its a snake! |
| 07:39.19 | magdalene | now i have that in my head |
| 07:39.29 | pmv | ROFL |
| 07:39.33 | magdalene | don't tell me you wrote that |
| 07:39.33 | g333k_laptop | streuner, I'm not repeating.... I correct the sentence |
| 07:40.09 | streuner | doesn't matter |
| 07:40.13 | Area-51 | Goyim: got it working, it was infact squirrelmail, but it was the mysql databases :) |
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| 07:40.36 | magdalene | net hiccough |
| 07:40.56 | magdalene | jazmine was a bad girl |
| 07:41.07 | rob | yes. very. |
| 07:41.35 | streuner | g333k: that's a wild guess, the one with (2) is for gtk2 |
| 07:41.39 | magdalene | rob we have someone here who is ban evading |
| 07:41.45 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.48 | rob | magdalene: which channel |
| 07:41.54 | rob | pm me |
| 07:41.57 | SmallR2004 | evening rob |
| 07:42.03 | rob | hi SmallR2004 |
| 07:42.12 | SmallR2004 | if you remember me i'll be impressed |
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| 07:42.41 | rob | don't be.. :D sorry! |
| 07:43.00 | peterS | I hope SmallR2004 is more closely related to Windows Server 2003 than to DavidProck1981 |
| 07:43.07 | streuner | g333k: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ |
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| 07:43.54 | streuner | g333k_laptop: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gconf/ |
| 07:43.56 | pmv | lol peterS |
| 07:44.08 | SmallR2004 | rob, i was around at the beginning of #winflame when you were just happening to continue getting in |
| 07:44.11 | Goyim | i am hungry for ice cream |
| 07:44.24 | rob | heh, fun times :) |
| 07:44.24 | peterS | SmallR2004: DavidProck1981 is a recent channel burden, the kind of guy who wants to do advanced stuff on his debian box but has no clue how |
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| 07:44.41 | SmallR2004 | aaaaah |
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| 07:45.02 | SmallR2004 | i want to do advanced stuff with my boxes, but i can't be assed, does that count? |
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| 07:45.21 | pmv | heheh |
| 07:45.21 | pmv | you can't be assed? |
| 07:45.22 | rob | SmallR2004: install ubuntu hen :p |
| 07:45.29 | rob | s/hen/then |
| 07:45.39 | SmallR2004 | no no no... that's called wanting it up the ass |
| 07:45.40 | pmv | lol |
| 07:45.51 | rob | heh |
| 07:45.54 | pmv | what, they run out of cute names for Ubuntu? :-))) |
| 07:46.03 | pmv | Ubuntu 7.20 Henny Hen |
| 07:46.08 | SmallR2004 | 'u-bum-who?' |
| 07:47.04 | SmallR2004 | why is it all about buttsexx today? hmmm |
| 07:47.06 | g333k_laptop | Do I have to enable some module in the /kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq to control the speed of my laptop's processor? or I just need the pkg installed ? |
| 07:47.42 | peterS | pmv: I don't think 7.20 will happen any time soon, the second number is the month of release, and there aren't quite 20 of those |
| 07:47.58 | peterS | not in 2007, anyway |
| 07:48.14 | pmv | peterS: I was just grabbing for an arbitrary release to name "Henrietta Hen" :-) |
| 07:48.19 | phated | Heh. |
| 07:48.22 | SmallR2004 | g333k_laptop, you a) need kernel support for your processor [family] and b) some software to do something with this (there's lots out there) |
| 07:48.37 | pmv | g333k_laptop: I think it |
| 07:48.41 | pmv | 's also specific to your hardware |
| 07:49.16 | SmallR2004 | my advice is to route around in menuconfig and see what you find |
| 07:49.20 | rob | there was an interesting page on uncyclopedia about ubuntu iirc |
| 07:49.21 | pmv | iirc I was able to use plain /proc or /sys nodes to control processor throttling for my old pentium speedstep |
| 07:49.58 | SmallR2004 | then compile, then either fiddle by hand (maybe not the best idea until you know what you're doing) or get something to do that for you |
| 07:50.17 | g333k_laptop | pmv, You think what? That I need the module + the pkg installed? |
| 07:50.38 | pmv | g333k_laptop: for processor throttling? |
| 07:50.48 | g333k_laptop | Well my cpu is a Intel P4 3Ghz, so I think I need cpufreq |
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| 07:50.58 | pmv | hibernate-scripts, I think |
| 07:51.09 | pmv | err |
| 07:51.16 | g333k_laptop | pmv, not for hibernate... for processor frequency scaling |
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| 07:51.22 | pmv | hibernate and acpi-support |
| 07:51.31 | pmv | acpitool provides diagnostics too |
| 07:51.45 | pmv | g333k_laptop: I know, but it's all part of the ACPI mechanism |
| 07:51.52 | pmv | trust me, it's in that area |
| 07:52.09 | jasta | When I enable subpixel hinting in KDE (~/.fonts.conf), it seems only to take effect when hinting is set lower than Full. |
| 07:52.10 | pmv | though I actually rolled my own event scripts for proc throttling before |
| 07:52.28 | g333k_laptop | pmv, so I left the modules like are now (btw there's no modules enabled in this part) |
| 07:52.37 | SmallR2004 | jasta, no offence mate, but, #kde might be more use :P |
| 07:52.39 | jasta | I have read that this might be Debian's fault (indirectly) from insufficient patching to relevant software, but I am unsure what software. |
| 07:52.49 | SmallR2004 | although it's as dead as a dodo |
| 07:53.02 | pmv | g333k_laptop: checking your kernel for ACPI support would be the first thing to do of course |
| 07:53.36 | jasta | SmallR2004: I don't think so, actually. The issue seems to be with fontconfig and its ilk. |
| 07:53.46 | SmallR2004 | hhhm |
| 07:53.49 | g333k_laptop | pmv, how do i check that? |
| 07:53.55 | pmv | urm |
| 07:54.09 | SmallR2004 | jasta, blame ubuntu |
| 07:54.10 | pmv | g333k_laptop: look around in your /boot |
| 07:54.19 | streuner | g333k: grep 'dmesg' |
| 07:54.20 | jasta | SmallR2004: I do not run Ubuntu. |
| 07:54.20 | pmv | look at the kernel config |
| 07:54.38 | jasta | SmallR2004: I run Debian etch/testing. |
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| 07:55.25 | jasta | I suspect that the problem is somewhere near libfreetype6 or Xft. |
| 07:56.05 | g333k_laptop | pmv, ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled) |
| 07:56.07 | jasta | And that Debian is involved because the versions in etch are either far behind upstream or are not applying certain patches that might have been offered to correct the problem. |
| 07:56.16 | jasta | I'm hoping to find a way to narrow down the problem a bit better. |
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| 07:56.44 | jasta | Find which package(s) are causing this and perhaps what packages are waiting in the queue. |
| 07:57.03 | pmv | g333k_laptop: good for you! now go search the ether for acpi, acpi-support, acpid, and maybe even laptop-detect :-) |
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| 07:57.32 | jasta | Debian has been found guilty in this area before (libfreetype6 2.2.x and OpenOffice.org, for example) |
| 07:58.22 | Guerin | jasta: `found guilty'? By which court? |
| 07:58.38 | Guerin | and if you say `the one of public opinion', I shall ridicule you |
| 07:58.42 | jasta | Guerin: Hang on, I will find the thread. |
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| 07:58.56 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.08 | Guerin | jasta: the answer, as with all things in free software, is threefold: |
| 07:59.17 | Guerin | oh, sep just made point #1 |
| 07:59.20 | jasta | sep: That is not what I am saying. I am asking for help narrowing down my problem (which packages and why) |
| 07:59.34 | g333k_laptop | pmv, It will be useful for me to know if gnome-power-manger works in debian etch... I tried it in ubuntu and works good... I'm trying it now in etch but I cant hibernate |
| 07:59.38 | Guerin | point #2 is `pay for someone to do point #1, if your skills or time does not permit you to do so' |
| 07:59.51 | sep | jasta,sorry, but that's what it sounds like. |
| 08:00.03 | sep | jasta, have you searched on bts for a bug about it ? |
| 08:00.10 | jasta | It seems to be an obvious bug somewhere, almost certainly caused by libfreetype6 backwards compatability breakage. But since so many packages individually depend on its previous ABI it is hard to tell which packages are broken. |
| 08:00.19 | jasta | sep: Yes, but I am not finding much. |
| 08:00.20 | Guerin | and point #3 is `try to mobilise people to do #1 for you, if you can neither do it yourself, nor pay for it to be done' |
| 08:00.26 | pmv | g333k_laptop: it works |
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| 08:00.37 | Guerin | jasta: ask debain-devel, debian-user or debian-x mailing list |
| 08:00.39 | pmv | but as always, it's hardware dependent |
| 08:00.53 | pmv | admit it or not, Ubuntu has great hardware support |
| 08:00.56 | Guerin | jasta: the thing with etch is that it's in prerelease, so devs are incredibly busy |
| 08:01.15 | Guerin | pmv: hardware support is 100% in kernel, so your point is a bit irrelevant. Debian has kernels. |
| 08:01.22 | sep | jasta, ask about it in #debian-kde. (perhaps on the other net) if it's a known bug im sure they know. if it's not a known bug mi suer youll file one :) |
| 08:01.24 | jasta | I understand that, and I know that some Debian developer somewhere is fully aware of this problem. |
| 08:01.40 | jasta | I'm just trying to find perhaps an explanation about it so that I can solve it myself. |
| 08:01.56 | pmv | Guerin: nope. there are userland scripts that are hardware-specific. mostly acpi support and event-handling. :-) |
| 08:02.06 | Guerin | jasta: is `don't use kde' a viable answer? |
| 08:02.15 | g333k_laptop | pmv, ok I'll work on that then...thanks |
| 08:02.21 | jasta | Guerin: No, because as I said, this is fontconfig and its ilk. |
| 08:02.26 | Guerin | pmv: they work in debian too - what you're talking about is *defaults* |
| 08:02.36 | Guerin | jasta: funny, hinting works fine for me |
| 08:02.43 | pmv | Guerin: yes, that is indeed what I'm taking about |
| 08:02.46 | jasta | Guerin: subpixel hinting? |
| 08:03.05 | Guerin | !rmssmite pmv |
| 08:03.32 | Guerin | jasta: working on my wife's etch box ... though it's not updated this week |
| 08:03.35 | pmv | the hell? .. :-p |
| 08:03.43 | Guerin | !swym |
| 08:03.43 | dpkg | swym is, like, Say What You Mean. See also MWYS. |
| 08:03.43 | jasta | Guerin: Interesting. |
| 08:04.33 | Guerin | jasta: even so, this is hardly what you'd call a critical issue, is it? |
| 08:04.37 | jasta | Guerin: Looks like I may have been mistaken. Firefox is in fact applying full subpixel hinting. |
| 08:04.45 | Guerin | hm |
| 08:04.49 | jasta | Guerin: Well, it hurts my eyes ;) |
| 08:04.49 | khaleel5000 | hi everyone in debian etch when ever I am the only user (and also ahve the root passwd) when ever I type su aand enter the correct passwd, it still says authentication failure ! sorry (i have the root passwd i ame ven logged in one of the virtual consoles as root) what would its problem be? |
| 08:04.51 | Guerin | so maybe it is kde-specific |
| 08:05.01 | jasta | Guerin: It looks like it very well could be, although I am at a loss to describe how. |
| 08:05.01 | Guerin | what about other GTK (or non-qt) programs? |
| 08:05.06 | jasta | Guerin: I'm trying them right now. |
| 08:05.13 | Guerin | damn, you type fast |
| 08:05.18 | magdalene | jasta |
| 08:05.32 | jasta | The first random GNOME program I tried also has full hinting on. Looks to be subpixel hinting as well. |
| 08:05.54 | jasta | I must just not have noticed before. |
| 08:06.00 | magdalene | jasta the work around i found was to enable non free and download the ms font packages for kdm.... i know its ugly but its fast and it works |
| 08:06.03 | Guerin | khaleel5000: could be a wrong keymap |
| 08:06.16 | Guerin | jasta: but qt doesn't? |
| 08:06.41 | Guerin | magdalene: that's not a solution, the bitstream (and other) fonts are fine. |
| 08:06.44 | jasta | Guerin: No, KDE is clearly rendering with subpixel hinting, but not full. |
| 08:06.51 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 08:06.52 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: wrong keymap (its just 5 digit pasword with only alphabets and i am only using english ) |
| 08:06.59 | jasta | Guerin: As in, they are clearly blurred. xmag proves all of this. |
| 08:07.23 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: so in my newbie , conclusion it cant be a keymap problem |
| 08:07.27 | magdalene | jasta its either that or go in to the config and choose other free fonts all manually for each thing |
| 08:07.28 | jasta | If I enable full hinting in ~/.fonts.conf through kcontrol, it does exactly that but subsequently disabled subpixel hinting (xmag reveals no color) |
| 08:07.36 | magdalene | those are what i ended up doing |
| 08:07.46 | Guerin | khaleel5000: once logged in, try typing your pass into a console. If it comes out looking how it should, you're right. |
| 08:07.51 | magdalene | i know it sounds wierd and awful |
| 08:07.57 | magdalene | but either one works |
| 08:08.00 | jasta | Guerin: Does GNOME use ~/.fonts.conf? I suppose I can strace to find out... |
| 08:08.11 | Guerin | khaleel5000: i once chose en-GB keymap, but my keyboard (like 99%) is en-US. All manner of hell. |
| 08:08.20 | jasta | It must not, snice it says to use medium hinting and GNOME apps clearly are not doing that. |
| 08:08.24 | Guerin | jasta: no idea, don't use it. |
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| 08:08.34 | magdalene | jasta depends on the theme you use |
| 08:08.57 | Guerin | it would be uncharacteristic of gnome to use a pre-existing system when they could invent a new, bloated, non-standard, broken system |
| 08:08.58 | magdalene | ice does |
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| 08:09.34 | magdalene | in which wm |
| 08:09.36 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: (i hope virtual concole is the name for alt+ctrl+f1 place) pressed my password after logging in it (to see the text , its the same one) |
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| 08:09.38 | jasta | Guerin: Well, strace proves that at least it does read ~/.fonts.conf. Whether it honors it is hard for strace to determine :) |
| 08:09.51 | sep | khaleel5000, have you messed around with pam ? |
| 08:09.51 | Guerin | khaleel5000: ok, your conclusion seems to be unwrong. |
| 08:09.58 | Guerin | jasta: heh. |
| 08:10.20 | Guerin | khaleel5000: do you have some wheel stupidity happening? |
| 08:10.25 | khaleel5000 | sep: nope , jsut did base system install of debian etch via dvd |
| 08:10.26 | pmv | heh |
| 08:10.28 | jasta | Guerin: I will dig deeper following the assumption that somehow GNOME is unaffected. Hopefully I can return with a better familiarity with this issue. |
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| 08:11.49 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: sep i do believe its some INTERNAL settings problem , coz when I installed dbeian etch with base +system , i could su very easily (or should i say as it happes) only in the base installs this problem I have experienced (did 4 installs vith base system , and 2 with base + desktop , both desktop = NATURAL su , all 4 base installs have this PROBLEM) |
| 08:12.38 | sep | khaleel5000, have you upgraded afterwards ? |
| 08:12.59 | sep | afk |
| 08:13.04 | khaleel5000 | sep: upgraded.hmmmmmm isntalled kde , synaptic (in base+sys and base ) |
| 08:13.13 | bathat | for some reason sse2, 3dnow and 3dnowext are disabled in my mencoder |
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| 08:13.28 | khaleel5000 | sep: in all 6 installations .....nothing else |
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| 08:15.26 | Guerin | bathat: build it yourself |
| 08:15.45 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: any suggestions? |
| 08:15.55 | Guerin | bathat: m*er's runtime cpu-detection is disabled in debain, iirc. |
| 08:15.57 | bathat | Guerin: yeah, that's what i was thinking |
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| 08:16.18 | bathat | not that big of a deal but it would be nice |
| 08:16.19 | Guerin | bathat: mplayer/mencoder build cleanly in debian using debian/rules |
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| 08:16.32 | bathat | oh yeah, i've done that a few times before |
| 08:16.39 | bathat | but i always forget the full command |
| 08:16.41 | Guerin | khaleel5000: i can't really get a handle on what the problem might be |
| 08:16.45 | bathat | is it in the install file? |
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| 08:17.08 | Guerin | khaleel5000: i'm unaware of any `settings issues' which would cause a password to be reported wrong in console when you can log in with it. |
| 08:17.10 | jasta | Guerin: Hmm. Weird, it seems BitStream-specific? |
| 08:17.21 | Guerin | khaleel5000: other than charset/etc issues like I've suggested. |
| 08:17.27 | jasta | Screw it, I'll just use a different font :) |
| 08:17.33 | Guerin | jasta: oh, really. |
| 08:17.45 | magdalene | khaleel5000 its only on f1? |
| 08:17.56 | Guerin | i use bitstream fontsa more or less exclusively, no such issues |
| 08:17.56 | jasta | ttf-dejavu seems not to have this problem? i bet it's as simple as fontconfig not properly generating font hints for bitstream. |
| 08:18.03 | Guerin | hm, probably |
| 08:18.17 | Guerin | dejavu is basically bistream, just with some extra glyphs i think |
| 08:18.29 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: if I type wrong passowrd (in su ) shouldnot it be LOGGED tat some place that xyz user tried to su with this passwd and failed? or can I MAKE it log that? |
| 08:18.37 | jasta | Yeah, I know. But it is a different family and so if font hints failed on one and not the other, they would seem radically different. |
| 08:18.46 | Guerin | khaleel5000: /var/log/auth.log should log it |
| 08:18.53 | Guerin | jasta: yes. |
| 08:19.02 | jasta | Anyway, thanks for humoring me :) |
| 08:19.13 | magdalene | jasta humour me? |
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| 08:19.29 | magdalene | bah |
| 08:19.32 | Guerin | apparently not |
| 08:19.36 | khaleel5000 | magdalene: well its everwyere ONLY in the installations of debian in which i just did base installations and then installed kde my self , I AM LOGGED in as root at alt+ctrl+f1 (tty1) and as khaleel (in gui ) at vt7 |
| 08:19.54 | Guerin | khaleel5000: oh, wait, you installed kde from source? |
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| 08:20.50 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: nope it was in the 1st dvd of debian etch |
| 08:20.52 | magdalene | khaleel5000 i get problems logging into f1 since i upgraded to sarge stable |
| 08:20.57 | Guerin | khaleel5000: ok. |
| 08:21.16 | magdalene | vt1 |
| 08:21.17 | Guerin | khaleel5000: can you log into a console as root? |
| 08:21.21 | Guerin | like, a VT |
| 08:21.22 | khaleel5000 | magdalene: i did a fresh install of debian etch |
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| 08:21.38 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: i can (and am in console as root) i can run gui as root , |
| 08:22.11 | minerale | I'm tempted to try the other fonts in the linux kernel -- but is there a way for me to see / try them without having to recompile the kernel each time ? |
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| 08:22.43 | bathat | Guerin: i'm trying to use any2vob and it keeps thinking the aspect ratio is 1.78:1 when i told mencoder to use an aspect of 16:9 |
| 08:22.53 | bathat | not the correct channel to ask in i'm sure |
| 08:22.59 | magdalene | khaleel5000, but you cant su from inside a xterm? |
| 08:23.05 | bathat | but i don't think it has one |
| 08:23.19 | khaleel5000 | magdalene: yeah exactly xterm , yakuake ,konsole , |
| 08:23.21 | Guerin | khaleel5000: change the password to 'h' and try logging in from another console. Or some other arbitrary unambiguous character. |
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| 08:23.39 | Guerin | bathat: stink. |
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| 08:23.51 | magdalene | khaleel5000, not rlogin right? |
| 08:23.52 | bathat | haha, exactly |
| 08:23.53 | valdyn | bathat: what do you think is the difference between 1.78:1 and 16:9 ? |
| 08:23.54 | Guerin | bathat: i know a fair bit about mplayer, but nothing about mencoder. |
| 08:24.08 | magdalene | what they code men now? |
| 08:24.14 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: okiez , btw my /var/log/auth.log file http://rafb.net/paste/results/ffoXT645.html |
| 08:24.16 | magdalene | where can i get one |
| 08:24.22 | bathat | oh, they're the same |
| 08:24.28 | bathat | oops |
| 08:24.42 | magdalene | oh rats |
| 08:24.42 | bathat | but it doesn't recognize this |
| 08:24.46 | RvGaTe | When i do netstat -n, i see a line like: tcp 0 34 192.168.1.2:21 218.65.88.38:60157 ESTABLISHED, does that mean he is successfully connected to the ftp? |
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| 08:24.49 | bathat | i get an 'undefined' |
| 08:25.11 | Guerin | khaleel5000: yeah, no idea. |
| 08:25.25 | Guerin | magdalene: hah. |
| 08:26.17 | Guerin | magdalene: i have to say, http://images.google.co.nz/images?q=man%20smut is disappointing |
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| 08:26.26 | Guerin | maybe it's just a .nz thing |
| 08:26.49 | khaleel5000 | Guerin: still failed |
| 08:27.09 | magdalene | i hesitate to look,, will i have to scrub my retinas out with copper pads? |
| 08:27.25 | Guerin | magdalene: i said it was disappointing, not shocking. |
| 08:28.40 | SmallR2004 | hmmm |
| 08:28.50 | SmallR2004 | debian and groupware have php5 issues |
| 08:29.00 | magdalene | but it looks like such a tasty little sheep |
| 08:29.03 | RvGaTe | I hate it when people try to do a dictionary attack on my ftp server.... |
| 08:29.04 | valdyn | RvGaTe: it means that a tcp connection is established, it doesnt say a thing about higher level protocols |
| 08:29.07 | geo-rge | php5 has php5 issues |
| 08:29.08 | magdalene | mmm lambchops |
| 08:29.12 | SmallR2004 | agree |
| 08:29.13 | SmallR2004 | d |
| 08:29.16 | SmallR2004 | bloody php5 |
| 08:29.24 | RvGaTe | valdyn, i found it... i checked the logs, and someone is currently trying to get in |
| 08:29.43 | valdyn | RvGaTe: sure bots do that nonstop, every day |
| 08:29.48 | RvGaTe | valdyn, and ofcourse, he's failing ;) |
| 08:29.49 | magdalene | great |
| 08:31.00 | SmallR2004 | hmmm |
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| 08:31.06 | Guerin | the silver fern? |
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| 08:31.16 | Guerin | lambtraps are a good idea |
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| 08:31.26 | Guerin | i went a-walking up in the hills today, and found goat shit |
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| 08:31.36 | SmallR2004 | incidentally, anyone feel like advising a email server combination |
| 08:31.40 | Guerin | this leads me to believe that there are wild goats within 15 minutes walk of my house |
| 08:31.51 | magdalene | goat is like lamb |
| 08:31.53 | RvGaTe | Strange, im trying to block an ip with iptables, but im getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/275162 |
| 08:31.54 | magdalene | but less fat |
| 08:31.56 | Guerin | SmallR2004: /msg dpkg postfix howto |
| 08:31.58 | geo-rge | SmallR2004: sure... computer + email server |
| 08:32.00 | Guerin | and more stinky |
| 08:32.12 | SlayerXP | SmallR2004: yes, I heartily recommend some kind of mail server combination |
| 08:32.13 | magdalene | not if you get them small enough |
| 08:32.13 | Guerin | most people hate it, but it's good eats, f'real |
| 08:32.15 | SmallR2004 | Guerin, maybe i wont use postfix :P |
| 08:32.24 | Guerin | SmallR2004: postfix is the win. |
| 08:32.29 | SmallR2004 | hmmm |
| 08:32.32 | SmallR2004 | not to everyone |
| 08:32.37 | Guerin | SmallR2004: but if you just want to use exim, that's good too. |
| 08:32.42 | Guerin | just not qmail. |
| 08:32.51 | SmallR2004 | i've heard more opinions of mail servers than i have opinions on the iraq war |
| 08:32.51 | SlayerXP | Guerin: http://blog.halon.org.uk/2006/04/26 |
| 08:32.53 | Guerin | for the love of the little goatlings, anything else. |
| 08:33.06 | SlayerXP | SmallR2004: all sane mail administrators use exim4 and cyrus |
| 08:33.15 | Guerin | cyrus ... noes! |
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| 08:33.21 | valdyn | RvGaTe: so you have no ip_tables module in your (custum?) kernel? |
| 08:33.26 | Guerin | exim, fine. Cyrus FTL. |
| 08:33.30 | SmallR2004 | now, see how i mean? |
| 08:33.31 | magdalene | Guerin you just have to get em young enough or stew em to rags |
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| 08:33.50 | SlayerXP | Guerin: note I said "sane" :) |
| 08:34.01 | geo-rge | SmallR2004: so what exactly is your question? |
| 08:34.01 | magdalene | with cumin and pepper and apricots |
| 08:34.02 | RvGaTe | valdyn, 2.6.16 on sarge... and probably not, i have no idea why |
| 08:34.13 | pmv | cumin ;-) |
| 08:34.21 | Guerin | magdalene: yeah, little ones are good, grilled and such. Even the old nannies are ok, just not the billies. |
| 08:34.24 | Guerin | too gruff. |
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| 08:34.36 | SmallR2004 | my question is... hmmm... would anyone advise me a mail daemon? if so, which, and why? |
| 08:34.43 | Guerin | SlayerXP: so I take it you use postfix? |
| 08:34.49 | magdalene | and raisins and figs and tahini and garlic |
| 08:35.05 | Guerin | magdalene: ooh, now you're talking lebanese-dirty. |
| 08:35.06 | pmv | exim |
| 08:35.08 | pmv | qmail |
| 08:35.10 | magdalene | mmmm |
| 08:35.11 | pmv | sendmail |
| 08:35.24 | geo-rge | SmallR2004: here;s the problem... when someone tries to advise you, you start telling us why you're not going to use that... |
| 08:35.26 | SlayerXP | Guerin: nice try |
| 08:35.29 | geo-rge | so... |
| 08:35.32 | magdalene | what tahini and garlic? |
| 08:35.39 | pmv | heh, that'd work |
| 08:35.40 | magdalene | you miss out without those |
| 08:35.41 | Guerin | SlayerXP: i already advised you the only two sane options. |
| 08:35.41 | geo-rge | pick out your own email server |
| 08:35.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 08:35.47 | SmallR2004 | geo-rge, i have? when? |
| 08:35.51 | Guerin | SmallR2004: ↑ |
| 08:36.09 | Guerin | SlayerXP: are you claiming sanity, then? |
| 08:36.27 | SmallR2004 | i never offered any opinion which i'd use or why |
| 08:36.40 | Guerin | magdalene: this leg is plain-old mint and salt and pepper. |
| 08:36.44 | geo-rge | Guerin SmallR2004: postfix is the win. |
| 08:36.44 | geo-rge | SmallR2004 hmmm |
| 08:36.44 | geo-rge | SmallR2004 not to everyone |
| 08:36.46 | SlayerXP | Guerin: i'm nearly the only sane person I know |
| 08:36.50 | geo-rge | bullshit :P |
| 08:36.52 | magdalene | rosemary |
| 08:37.01 | magdalene | and garlic for leg too |
| 08:37.05 | SmallR2004 | note that i didn't say if i'd use it, or why i wouldn't/would |
| 08:37.18 | Guerin | magdalene: doesn't go well with mint. There is some garlic in the pan, but not in the meat. |
| 08:37.25 | SmallR2004 | i simply said that your opinion was not shared globally :P |
| 08:37.44 | magdalene | id eat lamb raw...kibbeh |
| 08:38.05 | magdalene | pine nuts, pepper, egg yolk |
| 08:38.13 | magdalene | bit of onion |
| 08:38.19 | Guerin | magdalene: are you actually lebanese? |
| 08:38.31 | magdalene | *grin* |
| 08:38.31 | geo-rge | and I simply said that you should go ahead and pick your own |
| 08:38.37 | magdalene | curiouser and curiouser |
| 08:38.42 | magdalene | afk |
| 08:38.46 | SmallR2004 | i will, that i can assure you |
| 08:38.52 | SmallR2004 | i was interested in opinions |
| 08:39.07 | SmallR2004 | (and also interested if anyone would shed blood for their favourite mail server) |
| 08:39.07 | geo-rge | then form your own |
| 08:39.24 | geo-rge | then you'll (apparantly) have the opinion you |
| 08:39.29 | geo-rge | are most interested in |
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| 08:39.51 | ndowens | hey cydork |
| 08:39.52 | SmallR2004 | my own must surely be influenced by others, you do not attempt to imply that any one of us is independent do you? |
| 08:40.06 | Guerin | SmallR2004: nah. I only spill blood (mostly of people who use qmail) |
| 08:40.14 | geo-rge | I'm encouraging you to be independent |
| 08:40.27 | Guerin | SlayerXP: that's a not-unreasonable summary, though it does leave out exim's flaws. |
| 08:40.39 | geo-rge | but evidently you're not willing to do the work it takes |
| 08:40.45 | SlayerXP | Guerin: exim has flaws?!?!?!?!?! |
| 08:40.46 | SlayerXP | :) |
| 08:40.52 | SmallR2004 | independence is middle class blasphemy, we're all dependant on one another :) |
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| 08:41.12 | geo-rge | good... now find your server |
| 08:41.22 | Guerin | SlayerXP: no, I just claim it does to justify my own postfix setup, which could break at any moment and make me learn exim. |
| 08:42.04 | Guerin | hm, i think maulkin is seen in here from time to time |
| 08:42.21 | SlayerXP | yes, he's an op |
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| 08:42.24 | SmallR2004 | my intent was to gain a few ideas to research some more and fiddle with |
| 08:42.28 | cydork | ndowens: hiya |
| 08:42.50 | geo-rge | I understand your intent fairly well |
| 08:42.54 | ndowens | cydork: how is it going |
| 08:43.30 | Guerin | !best thing evar is <reply> The Official Best Thing Evar is http://ia331325.us.archive.org/1/items/eben-moglen-oct-2006/eben-moglen-keynote-oct-2006.mp3 |
| 08:43.31 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 08:43.34 | geo-rge | your intent is to shoot down any suggestion given to you |
| 08:43.34 | Guerin | :) |
| 08:43.44 | cydork | ndowens: great i guess :) |
| 08:43.47 | geo-rge | soo... no thanks. go find your server. |
| 08:43.58 | ndowens | cydork: ah, getting sleepy heh |
| 08:44.10 | SmallR2004 | -_^ |
| 08:44.20 | SmallR2004 | i think you are prejudging me |
| 08:44.31 | magdalene | evening geo |
| 08:44.34 | magdalene | rge |
| 08:44.41 | geo-rge | no, I looked at what you said and THEN judged :) |
| 08:44.50 | geo-rge | hello magdalene :) |
| 08:44.58 | SmallR2004 | considering i'd hardly opened my mouth and you were making an attack |
| 08:45.07 | geo-rge | so technically I postjudged |
| 08:45.11 | ndowens | SmallR2004: use google and search for linux mail server, looks like nobody is gonna give you a idea |
| 08:45.40 | SmallR2004 | oh come on, it was hardly like i asked for help, just a few opinions |
| 08:46.22 | magdalene | geo-rge ... down boy |
| 08:46.29 | geo-rge | SmallR2004: ok, maybe I can be somewhat helpful... if your -true- intent is to get some opinions to do research, don't shoot them down... you tend to discourage people from offering ypi opinions |
| 08:46.38 | yojimbo-san | just installed sarge onto a Cobalt Qube MIPS machine; and plugged in a USB audio device, which seems to be recognised (according to dmesg and usbmodules listing "audio") but neither mpg321 nor the alsa-utils work, complaining about no driver being available. Can someone give me a clue regarding where to look to fix things? |
| 08:46.39 | SmallR2004 | and now i'm being flamed for suggesting that your opinion is not shared by the rest of the world |
| 08:46.49 | geo-rge | magdalene: I am -not- a down boy! |
| 08:47.12 | magdalene | smallr2004 don't ask for help then shoot down ideas ppl give you for advice |
| 08:47.12 | geo-rge | SmallR2004: what opinion is? |
| 08:47.32 | magdalene | these ppl volunteer to be here |
| 08:47.36 | SmallR2004 | i didn't ask for help, i asked for opinions |
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| 08:47.52 | SmallR2004 | for goodness sake, i've been here long enough to know not to do that |
| 08:47.54 | geo-rge | so you wouldn't consider said opinions to be helpful? |
| 08:47.55 | magdalene | so you shouldn't shoot them down for offering advice |
| 08:48.09 | SmallR2004 | i consider the opinions which i was given to be helpful yes |
| 08:48.17 | magdalene | there you go |
| 08:48.29 | magdalene | no flame intended and no quarter given |
| 08:48.34 | SmallR2004 | i don't consider such comments as <geo-rge> SmallR2004: here;s the problem... when someone tries to advise you, you start telling us why you're not going to use that... |
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| 08:49.06 | magdalene | if you don't use the advice fine, you dont need t o explain why here |
| 08:49.07 | geo-rge | ok, I think by "asking for help" you must mean asking for hand-holding or long sessions to explain some aspect to you |
| 08:49.10 | pluesch0r | morning. is there a way to get grub to automatically append serial console configs to my kernel lines? |
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| 08:49.20 | tarzeau | how can i remove with sed all lines to the line where "Name" appears? and how all lines after the string "top" appears? |
| 08:49.45 | geo-rge | SmallR2004: but that's what happened |
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| 08:50.13 | SmallR2004 | if i was to shoot someone down i'd use points, not state that everyone didn't agree with them |
| 08:50.18 | Guerin | tarzeau: #bash is probably a better place |
| 08:50.25 | magdalene | because its not polite |
| 08:50.51 | merc | is there something like apt-wtf , that'll tell me where it puts config files etc for certain packages? |
| 08:50.55 | magdalene | small you are being pedantic |
| 08:51.01 | g00se | tarzeau: why use sed particularly? Why not read/echo after/until? |
| 08:51.04 | RvGaTe | merc, mostly in /etc/ |
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| 08:51.26 | geo-rge | you asked for an opinion and got one (btw, from a very knowledgable regular) and then you seemed to get into an argument about it rather than try collecting more opinions (which was your stated goal) |
| 08:51.27 | gebruiker | how do I change my tty console fonts? |
| 08:51.32 | magdalene | and george you are taking him too seriously |
| 08:51.35 | SmallR2004 | er... |
| 08:51.37 | valdyn | merc: config files are in /etc, a specifics package config file file can be seen with dpkg -L <package> | grep etc |
| 08:51.40 | geo-rge | I suppose :) |
| 08:51.42 | magdalene | don't let him get a rise out of you |
| 08:51.44 | merc | thanks valdyn |
| 08:51.49 | SmallR2004 | all i said was that everyone didn't agree |
| 08:51.58 | SmallR2004 | please, just take it in good humour and leave it be |
| 08:51.59 | magdalene | so dont say it here |
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| 08:52.10 | valdyn | !start an mta war |
| 08:52.10 | dpkg | courier is a spam magnet |
| 08:52.14 | magdalene | everyone will have differing opinions |
| 08:52.17 | geo-rge | but why even say that if you're trying to collect lots of opinions? |
| 08:52.25 | SmallR2004 | magdalene, that's all that i stated |
| 08:52.25 | magdalene | you caan take any of them or not |
| 08:52.30 | tarzeau | g00se: don't bother, found it sed -n '/Iowa/,/Montana/p' # case sensitive |
| 08:52.31 | geo-rge | yeah, I happen to like qmail :P |
| 08:52.36 | wols | pluesch0r: man update-grub, especially where it talks aboit kopt in your menu.lst |
| 08:52.37 | SmallR2004 | geo-rge, to see if i could see some more |
| 08:52.40 | tarzeau | g00se: because the sed IS easier than your read/echo hack |
| 08:52.51 | g00se | OK |
| 08:53.04 | magdalene | but here is not where to say i don't take yours or i didn't take yours |
| 08:53.17 | cydork | tarzeau: sed -n '/Name/!p;/top/{n;p;}' ? |
| 08:53.33 | magdalene | or explain why you didn't do something |
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| 08:53.38 | tarzeau | cydork: the one i pasted works |
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| 08:53.42 | SmallR2004 | magdalene, i didn't say that, as already stated, i said that people don't agree... that's all i said |
| 08:53.59 | magdalene | doesn't need to be said. everyone knows that |
| 08:54.05 | phated | SmallR2004: Then you're going into the realm of trolling. Just ask for your opinions, TAKE THEM DOWN, and shut up. Telling people who doesn't or does agree with them doesn't do anyone any good, not even yourself. |
| 08:54.06 | geo-rge | you're in brainstorming phase, which requires that you take them all without comment or judgement and then look at the whole collection |
| 08:54.09 | ndowens | can we stop the war heh :p |
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| 08:54.14 | magdalene | and it just guts up pppls nose |
| 08:54.21 | pluesch0r | wols: thanks! |
| 08:54.39 | geo-rge | guts up people's noses? wow, what an image... ugh :) |
| 08:54.46 | SmallR2004 | for the love of tux, why am i being flamed for a passing comment about people not all agreeing? |
| 08:54.54 | magdalene | sorry, had my lunch out |
| 08:55.05 | geo-rge | magdalene: j/k |
| 08:55.11 | phated | Because you're just breeding flames with that kind of comment anyway. |
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| 08:55.18 | SmallR2004 | it was more of a 'i saw what you said' than anything else |
| 08:55.24 | cydork | tarzeau: oh didn't see that. |
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| 08:55.37 | magdalene | sokay, *grin* |
| 08:55.37 | phated | "you don't all agree" is different from "Ok, got you guys, cheers for the opinions". |
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| 08:56.06 | SmallR2004 | i didn't get a chance to say thanks... i was being throat jumped by that point |
| 08:56.14 | Guerin | SmallR2004: FUCK U LOL!!!!! |
| 08:56.17 | phated | Because you shouldn't have said it IN THE FIRST PLACE. |
| 08:56.28 | sid | throat jumped? can be messy? |
| 08:56.29 | SmallR2004 | aaaah! that's the comment i wanted Guerin |
| 08:56.30 | tarzeau | cydork: but thanks :) |
| 08:56.31 | phated | Guerin: Rar. |
| 08:56.35 | sid | wtf are you people talking about |
| 08:56.48 | Guerin | SmallR2004: just summarising the channel feeling for ya. |
| 08:56.57 | sid | #debian has gotten out of hand |
| 08:56.57 | g00se | If there were a config saying 'if you're told to send mail to x, send to y and z too' where would it be? |
| 08:56.59 | geo-rge | sid: you're combining things from two people :) |
| 08:57.12 | phated | sid: And you think you're the one to fix it? |
| 08:57.16 | pluesch0r | wols: when adding kopt options to /boot/grub/menu.lst and then executing /usr/sbin/update-grub, the options are still not appended ... or does this mean that the bootloader will add those options on the fly when displaying the menu and stuff? |
| 08:57.23 | magdalene | sorry for that, i got out of hand and ended up eating a herbivore |
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| 08:57.47 | Guerin | pstickne: 0 |
| 08:58.02 | geo-rge | if you dont' get enough irony in your diet, you get irony poor blood... |
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| 08:58.59 | clarity_ | does anyone know when the new stable will come out? |
| 08:59.02 | phated | Is offering sex -really- the way to deal with it? |
| 08:59.03 | clarity_ | etch or whatever it's called |
| 08:59.04 | cydork | !wwer |
| 08:59.04 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 08:59.06 | geo-rge | after now!@ |
| 08:59.07 | phated | clarity_: whenever. |
| 08:59.15 | Guerin | clarity_: /msg dpkg etch pool 1 |
| 08:59.24 | Guerin | clarity_: for a variety of opinions |
| 08:59.33 | yojimbo-san | sorry about that; got disconnected by my ISP :-( |
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| 09:00.06 | geo-rge | seems like the timetable would be the most useful thing to see... but especially where theu |
| 09:00.10 | geo-rge | are at now in it |
| 09:00.48 | geo-rge | who's offering sex?? |
| 09:00.52 | Guerin | !offence |
| 09:00.52 | dpkg | i guess offence is don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 09:00.57 | Guerin | geo-rge: ↑ |
| 09:01.01 | magdalene | noo on |
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| 09:01.25 | yojimbo-san | So, I have a Cobalt Qube MIPS machine with an install of sarge from cyrius.com's images; and a USB audio device that seems to be connected OK (according to dmesg and usbmodules=audio) but neither mpg321 not alsa-utils work, claiming that there's no device available; can someone offer me a few clues to resolve this? |
| 09:02.31 | geo-rge | yojimbo-san: maybe you need to see what module to load for it, or to see which have been loaded |
| 09:03.17 | yojimbo-san | geo-rge: "audio" has loaded; but I don't know what that provides for the other programs, if it doesn't "just work"? |
| 09:03.30 | yojimbo-san | BTW, it's a 2.4.27 kernel |
| 09:03.34 | valdyn | yojimbo-san: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 09:03.39 | geo-rge | maybe an alsa module needs to be loaded |
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| 09:05.09 | yojimbo-san | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.18 | cydork | magdalene: can i have it? i have to pay rent in some days :P |
| 09:05.30 | valdyn | yojimbo-san: which error does mpg321 fail with? |
| 09:05.47 | magdalene | medstudent cydork ? sure |
| 09:06.16 | geo-rge | forensical student maybe :) |
| 09:06.17 | yojimbo-san | valdyn: libao - OSS cannot set rate to 44100 \n Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 09:06.22 | magdalene | you might have to boile off the slime |
| 09:06.44 | geo-rge | "what happened to this guy?" "someone ate him!" |
| 09:06.49 | valdyn | yojimbo-san: 'cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp' |
| 09:06.54 | cydork | magdalene: na i think i can scare my landlorg with it, he usually comes in night to ask for rent :P |
| 09:07.07 | cydork | yojimbo-san: do you have alsa-modules-2.4.27 installed? |
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| 09:07.36 | magdalene | some kindof concentrated acid burned through this bone.. from the inside?!?! |
| 09:08.27 | yojimbo-san | valdyn: no audio output, but that shell hung :-) |
| 09:08.48 | yojimbo-san | cydork: nope ... looking for it now ... |
| 09:08.51 | valdyn | yojimbo-san: turn up your volume? |
| 09:09.04 | cydork | yojimbo-san: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 09:09.37 | yojimbo-san | Volume is go :-) at 50%, same as physical mixer ... perhaps I need to do a little wiring check ... |
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| 09:09.56 | valdyn | yojimbo-san: is there another dsp device in /dev beside dsp and dsp0 ? |
| 09:09.58 | niru | hello all |
| 09:09.59 | magdalene | 'thoseclaw marks ..that shirt... this was no murder son....this was a feeding frensy... if you know whats good for ou,,,,just keep it quiet...ive heard of the debianmascot... only in old tales tho...' |
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| 09:10.29 | niru | Could anybody give me a script that will convert pdf file to ppt format |
| 09:10.32 | geo-rge | "and avoid breathing the acid fumes..." |
| 09:10.58 | yojimbo-san | valdyn: yes, dsp[123] pointing to 14,(19,35,51) ... but I'm hoping it's the alsa modules thing now :-) |
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| 09:11.10 | aaa111g | niru: http://www.zamzar.com/ |
| 09:11.22 | aaa111g | + wget? |
| 09:11.27 | magdalene | *grin* |
| 09:11.37 | valdyn | !alsa 2.4 |
| 09:11.37 | dpkg | First, you need to build the ALSA modules for your kernel. apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential debhelper; then read "man m-a". Finally, ask me about <alsa>. |
| 09:11.50 | valdyn | yojimbo-san: err, ignore ^^ |
| 09:11.54 | valdyn | !alsa |
| 09:11.54 | yojimbo-san | :-) |
| 09:11.54 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or see <alsa-checklist>, or http://wiki.debian.org/?ALSA , or see <alsa one-liner> |
| 09:12.16 | geo-rge | module-assistant for 2.4? but that would be sarge, right? |
| 09:12.35 | niru | aaalllg:I want the script that which converts |
| 09:12.45 | niru | aaa111g:I want the script that which converts |
| 09:12.55 | yojimbo-san | meh; there doesn't appear to be an alsa-modules-2.4.27-r5k-cobalt ...I'll do some more reading |
| 09:13.02 | magdalene | usagi |
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| 09:13.17 | valdyn | yojimbo-san: if there isnt such a package you just read what dpkg said instead of ignoring it |
| 09:13.32 | niru | aaa111g:? |
| 09:14.27 | yojimbo-san | valdyn: ... ah, I was reading the alsa one-liner, not the alsa ... sorry |
| 09:14.37 | aaa111g | niru: never looked for a script, but you could whip one up using one of these web services. |
| 09:14.54 | aaa111g | niru: how important is it to you> |
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| 09:15.39 | magdalene | usagi yojimbo |
| 09:15.47 | niru | aaa111g:I need it for a presentation tool |
| 09:16.30 | yojimbo-san | but there not being any kernel headers matching this machine either is a slight drawback; I think I'll take that part of the question to debian-mips |
| 09:17.10 | tome | niru: sorry, don't know of a script to do it, although since there are so many web based there should be a script somewhere or it's easy enough to write |
| 09:18.30 | geo-rge | note that it's not so clear how one would convert a pdf to a ppt.. the two document types are not the same shape |
| 09:19.22 | magdalene | why not |
| 09:20.02 | magdalene | a four to eight and a half by eleven? |
| 09:20.13 | tome | it depends what type of transform you need. You could just drop the text in, respecting headers/subs etc. If the pdf is well organized to be a bunch of slides, then no problem |
| 09:20.40 | tome | of course the actual doing of such a thing I do not know since I don't know the details of the file types |
| 09:21.07 | tome | say you want to convert back a PDF made by going ppt->pdf. that should work. |
| 09:21.09 | ndowens | cydork: so what have u been up 2 |
| 09:21.20 | pstickne | geo-rge, 1) pages to file 2) embed images 3) pray nobody has to use it |
| 09:21.40 | pstickne | oops, 1) print pages to image files |
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| 09:23.47 | geo-rge | niru: your turn. how is the pdf organized? |
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| 09:24.11 | niru | geo-rge:It is a pdf book for example |
| 09:24.24 | geo-rge | for example? |
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| 09:24.37 | niru | geo-rge:I have a pdf book |
| 09:24.54 | geo-rge | how do you expect that to be converted exactly? |
| 09:25.13 | geo-rge | that is, how should the result be organized? |
| 09:25.47 | tome | niru is there a reason you want this crack smoking conversion: ) can't you just... make the pdf viewer full screen? |
| 09:26.21 | niru | geo-rge:actually I have a presentation tool that will use only pdf |
| 09:26.56 | niru | geo-rge,tome:If we give ppt it will take it as an error |
| 09:27.36 | niru | geo-rge,tome:So I want to help the community by giving an option of ppt too |
| 09:27.37 | geo-rge | niru: so then why convert that to ppt? |
| 09:27.57 | niru | Because most people prefer using ppt formats |
| 09:28.11 | tome | niru: no one prefers to read a book in ppt |
| 09:28.34 | tome | niru: have you thought of saving your pdf as html and then loading that into the ppt viewer? Not sure if they do that but.. |
| 09:28.45 | niru | they will prepare the presentation in ppt |
| 09:28.50 | geo-rge | no one here prefers to use any microsoft product too, but that's probably besides the point |
| 09:29.01 | tome | niru: ppt -> pdf is logical and very common |
| 09:29.13 | tome | niru: pdf -> ppt is odd, and not common |
| 09:29.16 | niru | thats for openoffice |
| 09:29.16 | tome | niru: which do you want |
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| 09:29.36 | niru | tome:how can I convert ppt->pdf |
| 09:29.46 | tome | install a pdf file printer |
| 09:29.51 | tome | and print anything |
| 09:29.57 | tome | or. I'm sure M$ has some save as pdf |
| 09:29.57 | magdalene | i want a damn laptop with a splitable keyboard that i cansplitdown the middle and turn ninety degrees left and right for when im typing in bed |
| 09:30.13 | geo-rge | niru: what product is this exactly that does pdfs? |
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| 09:30.32 | tome | hm, guess not, well you can just print to the pdf using pdfwriter on win, not sure on linux but there must be a way... |
| 09:31.08 | sep | tome, cups haev pdf printer |
| 09:31.22 | tome | sep: niru: there ya go : ) |
| 09:31.30 | magdalene | or 2 seperate keypads i can attach to my wrists |
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| 09:31.46 | tome | magdalene: look into chording keyboards? |
| 09:31.47 | devin_ | I wanna mount my one drive as /home and its under hdb1 but not sure how to do it?? |
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| 09:32.00 | magdalene | give link |
| 09:32.26 | tome | google.com? |
| 09:32.33 | sep | devin_, man fstab |
| 09:33.08 | magdalene | geo-rge, had better watch out or he will pull his link back missing at the armpit |
| 09:33.09 | `ns` | devlin_, in fstab, /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 09:33.22 | tome | !slap magdalene |
| 09:33.29 | tome | : D |
| 09:33.37 | tome | !fish tome |
| 09:33.39 | geo-rge | what about a pair of usb kbds? |
| 09:34.11 | geo-rge | magdalene: :P |
| 09:34.13 | geo-rge | :) |
| 09:34.47 | bathat | is there a sensors app that supports k8temp... xsensors doesn't |
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| 09:35.06 | malebria | I'm trying to use ntp to update time, I have ntp package installed, and I chose the servers from the gnome clock applet gui. |
| 09:35.15 | malebria | I'm in Berlin timezone, but when it updates the time it's making it 1 hour later. Here is 10h34 now, but in my computer I get 11h34. |
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| 09:35.29 | malebria | The same problem occurred to me when I was in Brazil. |
| 09:35.44 | tome | malebria: daylight savings problem? |
| 09:36.01 | geo-rge | malebria: what does date -u show? |
| 09:36.02 | geo-rge | also |
| 09:36.06 | magdalene | i may not find dpkg tasty but there is a nice $debian_herbivore waiting for kilgore here any time he wants to venture close enough to the #debian_fern |
| 09:36.17 | malebria | geo-rge: 10h36 |
| 09:36.24 | malebria | the right time here. |
| 09:36.25 | magdalene | tshirt that is |
| 09:36.34 | malebria | tome: I'm not sure, I just got in Germany. |
| 09:36.35 | magdalene | 224 am here |
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| 09:36.46 | geo-rge | and what does your hwclock show |
| 09:37.03 | malebria | geo-rge: how can I get that? |
| 09:37.11 | geo-rge | hwclock |
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| 09:39.08 | malebria | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
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| 09:39.29 | malebria | Sorry. |
| 09:39.34 | tome | np |
| 09:39.37 | malebria | Problems with pasting int gaim. |
| 09:39.45 | sid | malebria: never paste anything. |
| 09:39.48 | sid | !tell malebria about paste |
| 09:40.04 | malebria | I was going to paste a one line thing. |
| 09:40.22 | frex | I'm having big problems trying to install certain packages: They are listed in http://packages.debian.org, but Debian complains when I try to apt-get install them |
| 09:40.37 | SlayerXP | frex: apt-get update |
| 09:40.53 | malebria | geo-rge: can this be related to the problem? |
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| 09:41.05 | malebria | I got this same message at boot time on my notebook (I'm not using my notebook). |
| 09:41.11 | frex | SlayerXP: done that, still getting errors |
| 09:41.26 | geo-rge | frex: not enuf info yet... what error do you get? exact text |
| 09:42.08 | geo-rge | "debian complains", what does that mean exactly/> |
| 09:42.09 | geo-rge | ? |
| 09:42.18 | malebria | In Brazil it was saving problems for sure... |
| 09:42.20 | magdalene | malebria if you are being private msged you can privmsg them back by typing /msg before thier nick |
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| 09:42.37 | tome | malebria: check out http://thinkhole.org/wp/2006/04/13/clock-tick-timed-out/ |
| 09:42.37 | malebria | magdalene: ok, thanks, but I'm not. |
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| 09:42.54 | tome | malebria: although I doubt it's related... |
| 09:42.59 | tome | but what do I know |
| 09:43.29 | Sup3rkiddo | i remember UTC messing my time once |
| 09:43.51 | _flamesrock_ | does anyone know why no linux video playing software is capable of seeking short intervals in .mov files? |
| 09:43.54 | magdalene | i just havent bothered changing mine yet' |
| 09:44.01 | frex | geo-rge: here's an error message >> E: Couldn't find package libjpeg62-dev |
| 09:44.12 | Sup3rkiddo | mplayer does |
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| 09:44.16 | malebria | tome: thanks anyway for this clock problem, but I don't think it's related. |
| 09:44.27 | geo-rge | frex: what dist? |
| 09:44.32 | malebria | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 09:44.37 | tome | malebria: right, I think either your time zone setting or your daylight savings is messed up |
| 09:44.49 | tome | malebria: geo-rge seems to be on top of it |
| 09:44.50 | malebria | In this website the time is right, why should it be wrong in the ntp server. |
| 09:44.53 | frex | geo-rge: how do I find out which dist? |
| 09:44.55 | malebria | hum... |
| 09:45.06 | malebria | tome: how can I configure my daylight saving? |
| 09:45.09 | tome | malebria: time is unrelated, just showing you how others fixed that clock tick timeout setting |
| 09:45.22 | geo-rge | what did you install? plus, look in file /etc/debian_version |
| 09:45.24 | cydork | frex: /msg dpkg version |
| 09:45.37 | frex | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.55 | tome | malebria: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 09:46.01 | tome | malebria: timezone, in particular |
| 09:46.03 | malebria | tome: thanks. |
| 09:46.05 | frex | geo_rge: debian 3.1 |
| 09:46.19 | tome | malebria: google debian setting time |
| 09:46.36 | geo-rge | !info libjpeg62-dev sarge |
| 09:46.42 | dpkg | libjpeg62-dev: (Development files for the IJG JPEG library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 6b-10 (sarge), Packaged size: 179 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
| 09:47.03 | geo-rge | hmm, it seems to be there |
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| 09:47.39 | frex | geo-rge, yes it seems to be there, only apt-get install doesn't work |
| 09:47.45 | geo-rge | what mirror are you using? |
| 09:47.47 | jewel | I'm having a problem with the i180 driver on an IBM X40, (EE) I810(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4. |
| 09:47.59 | jewel | using x.org |
| 09:48.12 | malebria | tome: It seems to be correctly setted up. |
| 09:48.22 | tome | lies |
| 09:49.26 | malebria | tome: sorry? |
| 09:49.30 | tome | hehe |
| 09:49.39 | tome | looking some things up |
| 09:49.58 | tome | obviously something isn't set up right... |
| 09:50.14 | malebria | The timezone is in Europe/Berlin |
| 09:50.26 | tango_ | hello all, I just got an Xorg (debian unstable) crash by trying to close the lid of my dell inspiron 8200. should I post the log on the debain bts or should I use the xorg bts? |
| 09:50.26 | tome | ok good |
| 09:50.36 | malebria | set with tzconfig |
| 09:50.40 | tome | good |
| 09:50.51 | geo-rge | unstable... crash... hmm... could this happen? |
| 09:50.54 | valdyn | tango_: debian bts |
| 09:51.28 | valdyn | tango_: let the debian maintainer decide if its an upstream bug, he will probably forward it |
| 09:51.32 | tango_ | valdyn, ok thanks |
| 09:51.36 | frex | geo-rge: updating sources.lst helped some of the problem |
| 09:51.46 | frex | geo-rge: still checking |
| 09:51.48 | malebria | tome: is it the utc time the same as london time? |
| 09:52.02 | geo-rge | updating? how? |
| 09:52.23 | valdyn | tango_: run 'reportbug' |
| 09:52.37 | geo-rge | then developers would get way too many emails |
| 09:52.39 | tome | malebria: yup, UTC is GMT |
| 09:52.56 | tome | i think |
| 09:53.04 | valdyn | tango_: problem is that bugs reported by cluebies are often not even bugs and to badly reported to be useful |
| 09:53.13 | tango_ | oh |
| 09:53.29 | malebria | tome: because in that right time site It's 9h53 in london, but when I change the time zone here it says that here the UTC is 10h53. |
| 09:53.35 | phated | 'my network is not set up help' is not a bug :) |
| 09:53.53 | phated | Etc. |
| 09:53.58 | tango_ | hm interesting dilemma. which package should I report it under? |
| 09:54.00 | frex | geo-rge: this error message bothers me now >> E: Couldn't find package jpeg-6b |
| 09:54.18 | tango_ | or should I go for xserver-xorg? |
| 09:54.19 | valdyn | tango_: what's that actual error in your log? |
| 09:54.27 | geo-rge | !info jpeg6b sarge |
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| 09:54.40 | Sup3rkiddo | frex: you may not have added all the repos |
| 09:54.43 | tango_ | valdyn, let me pastebin it |
| 09:54.49 | geo-rge | Package 'jpeg6b' does not exist. |
| 09:55.01 | vaq | Hello, when i try to remount / with rw i get this error: mount: block device /dev/hda10 is write-protected, mounting read-only - How do i fix this? |
| 09:55.04 | frex | geo-rge: right, does not exist, but why does it ask for that??? |
| 09:55.21 | geo-rge | which it is asking? :) |
| 09:55.42 | valdyn | vaq: toggle your write protect hardware switch |
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| 09:55.57 | pstickne | valdyn, on 'hda'? |
| 09:55.59 | geo-rge | !depends libjpeg62-dev sarge |
| 09:56.01 | valdyn | vaq: or toggle your write protect software switch ( see hdparm ) |
| 09:56.03 | dpkg | libjpeg62-dev: depends on libjpeg62 (= 6b-10), libc-dev |
| 09:56.05 | valdyn | pstickne: yes |
| 09:56.20 | tome | malebria: please tell me output of ls -l /etc/localtime |
| 09:56.38 | vaq | valdyn: hdparm -W /dev/hda10 ? |
| 09:56.41 | malebria | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 837 2007-03-11 11:51 /etc/localtime |
| 09:56.57 | tome | wtf |
| 09:57.02 | tome | that should be a link no? |
| 09:57.05 | geo-rge | !depends libjpeg62 sarge |
| 09:57.07 | tango_ | valdyn, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4775 |
| 09:57.09 | dpkg | libjpeg62: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4) |
| 09:57.13 | valdyn | vaq: -W is write caching |
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| 09:57.33 | phated | tome: nope. |
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| 09:57.57 | vaq | valdyn: Hmm i can't find option for allowing writting. |
| 09:58.00 | tome | phated: I guess the machine I tested on is running stable. That must have changed, how odd. |
| 09:58.04 | vaq | valdyn: in manpage |
| 09:58.07 | valdyn | tango_: should be an error above that hopefully |
| 09:58.08 | phated | tome: I suppose. |
| 09:58.27 | tango_ | valdyn, nope |
| 09:58.45 | tango_ | valdyn, it's all the usual Xorg.0.log stuff above that |
| 09:59.04 | tome | malebria: for Europe/Berlin I have 11:00:10 |
| 09:59.10 | pstickne | valdyn, look up -r |
| 09:59.12 | tango_ | valdyn, when I tried closing the lid the server shut down with that message |
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| 09:59.24 | valdyn | tango_: try your x hardware driver |
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| 09:59.25 | malebria | tom: is this a link for you? |
| 09:59.26 | tome | malebria: CET, is that what you see on your system as the time |
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| 09:59.30 | valdyn | tango_: wich one is it? |
| 09:59.37 | geo-rge | frex: you sure the package you want isn't called libjpeg62? |
| 09:59.44 | malebria | tome: yes, this is what is set a UTC for me. |
| 09:59.48 | pstickne | vaq, err, look up -r in hdparm |
| 09:59.49 | valdyn | tango_: also, what's happening when you close the lid? |
| 09:59.57 | valdyn | tango_: set up suspend or somesuch? |
| 10:00.19 | tango_ | valdyn, good question. I don't know, I haven't touched anything in that respect so I guess whatever is the default |
| 10:00.26 | tango_ | valdyn, the message is that backtrace |
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| 10:01.08 | valdyn | tango_: weird, there shouldnt be any power saving features enabled by default, yet this error really only should be linked to your powersaving stuff |
| 10:01.12 | tango_ | valdyn, is there way I can tell what happens when I close the lid? what gets gcalled? |
| 10:01.18 | tome | malebria: the date is set right on your machine? |
| 10:01.21 | tango_ | s/gcall/call/ |
| 10:01.23 | vaq | valdyn: is set to off :( |
| 10:01.37 | malebria | tome: Yes. |
| 10:01.39 | myuan | Hi there. How can I backup data from /dev/hda? without mounting? When I mount it, it scrolls lots of error messages. |
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| 10:01.48 | valdyn | tango_: your lid close hits a button, that butten should trigger an acpi event, which can be catched to do something or not |
| 10:01.55 | tome | malebria: which debian are you running |
| 10:02.08 | malebria | etch |
| 10:02.20 | tango_ | valdyn, so far, so good. and how can I know what catches the acpi event? |
| 10:02.23 | valdyn | tango_: now i dont know what your dell thing might do or not with this button |
| 10:02.26 | tome | can someone else on etch confirm /etc/localtime is not supposed to be a link? |
| 10:02.43 | SlayerXP | myuan: you have your sequence wrong, you back up data _before_ the hard disk starts giving hard errors |
| 10:02.55 | valdyn | tango_: see /var/log/acpid |
| 10:02.55 | pstickne | I think dd can work with devices direct? |
| 10:02.56 | tango_ | valdyn, I'd gladly give you (and the guys to which I'm bug reporting all this info), but I need to know how to get that info :P |
| 10:02.57 | tango_ | ok |
| 10:03.08 | tango_ | valdyn, let me look at it |
| 10:03.25 | myuan | SlayerXP: Could you help? |
| 10:03.27 | valdyn | tango_: you can tail -f /var/log/acpid and see what happens, all without having X running |
| 10:03.52 | tome | malebria: can you post the output of zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin to #flood? |
| 10:03.58 | tango_ | valdyn, oh wait a second I have laptop-mode |
| 10:04.16 | tome | malebria: that should help us see if it's a daylight savings issue (although it sounds less like one) |
| 10:04.33 | malebria | tome: this file is very big. |
| 10:04.33 | valdyn | tango_: read the log while you open and close the lid ( without X running ) |
| 10:04.36 | malebria | Even for #flood. |
| 10:04.46 | malebria | 288 lines |
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| 10:04.50 | tome | malebria: the output of zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin is very big?? |
| 10:05.00 | myuan | SlayerXP: I have changed its mode to noauto. But when I mount manually it, it fails as before. |
| 10:05.02 | tango_ | valdyn, ok, back in a few |
| 10:05.03 | valdyn | tango_: which X driver are you using? |
| 10:05.04 | malebria | zdump -v /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin | wc -l |
| 10:05.04 | malebria | 288 |
| 10:05.14 | tango_ | valdyn, nv (open source for nvidia) |
| 10:05.20 | tome | malebria: wild.... things have really changed, I'm on stable, it's 4 lines long : ) |
| 10:05.51 | valdyn | tango_: bug is probably in the package xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 10:06.00 | malebria | tome: really strange. But I don't think it's a timezone problem, because if my UTC was right the problem would be solved. |
| 10:06.10 | tome | malebria: your UTC is right |
| 10:06.11 | tango_ | valdyn, good |
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| 10:06.34 | malebria | Universal Time is now: Dom Mar 11 11:06:41 UTC 2007. |
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| 10:06.40 | valdyn | tango_: i dont know if it can be fixed though, for what i know that driver is an unreadable mess, released by nvidia |
| 10:06.45 | malebria | that's what I got in tzconfig |
| 10:06.45 | tome | malebria: what is your utc again, now |
| 10:06.55 | tome | malebria: ahhhh |
| 10:07.02 | tome | malebria: sorry missed that |
| 10:07.09 | RvGaTe | How can i force a client to renew his IP without actually getting behind it and click "renew"... is this controllable by the dhcp3server ? |
| 10:07.16 | tango_ | valdyn, oh well, I'll report anyway, at worst it won't get fixed until nouveau gives us something else :) |
| 10:07.18 | rosen37_ | Hello |
| 10:07.25 | valdyn | tango_: sure |
| 10:07.31 | rosen37_ | Someone know when the edge will be as a stable version? |
| 10:07.36 | iturk | hi there anyone knows any free svn repository ?? by the way berlios.de its out of question they reject my project !! any other one ?? |
| 10:07.39 | malebria | tome: This is strange because I update my time with ntp. |
| 10:07.43 | rosen37_ | is there a date planned? |
| 10:07.44 | valdyn | rosen37_: etch, no one knows |
| 10:07.44 | tome | malebria: is this a dual boot system? |
| 10:07.54 | pstickne | RvGaTe, you can't really... |
| 10:07.59 | rosen37_ | valdyn: mmh ok thx |
| 10:08.09 | malebria | tome: yes, but I never boot on the other system, and I configure my system to use utc. |
| 10:08.13 | malebria | (I guess....) |
| 10:08.18 | RvGaTe | pstickne, guess i just have to wait untill the lease expires? |
| 10:08.21 | malebria | tome: How can I check that? |
| 10:08.41 | tome | malebria: check what, dual boot? I mean do you have and boot into windows, which can alter the hwclock. |
| 10:08.47 | pstickne | RvGaTe, or maybe you could clear the entry and give it a network disconnect; windows often seems to like to try and get a new IP |
| 10:09.02 | malebria | tome: I have dual boot, but I haven't booted on windows since I installed. |
| 10:09.20 | malebria | tome: I was asking how can I check if it's configured to use utc or not. |
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| 10:10.13 | valdyn | malebria: read /etc/default/rcS |
| 10:10.35 | malebria | UTC=no |
| 10:10.38 | malebria | Should it be yes? |
| 10:10.38 | geo-rge | malebria: what happens when you stop ntp and update the time with ntpdate? |
| 10:10.41 | tome | malebria: what do you mean "it" is configured.. linux? Checking on how you can tell if linux thinks your hw clock should be in utc.. I seem to remember that as an install question |
| 10:11.09 | geo-rge | do you have your hardware clock in utc? |
| 10:11.15 | malebria | tome: yes, I was talking about that install question. |
| 10:11.15 | RvGaTe | pstickne, this is the thing: im currently at work, and im trying to remote to my own machine... the router at home has some ports forwarded to x.x.x.102, but it recently had a new internal ip (dotn ask me why), now i cant do a remote session becouse 102 just isn't online... i can only access the server on the internal network at home... |
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| 10:11.22 | geo-rge | do you -want- your hwclock in utc? |
| 10:11.32 | malebria | geo-rge: that's what I wanna know. I want it in utc. |
| 10:11.46 | geo-rge | so UTC=yes |
| 10:11.47 | tome | hwclock --systohc --utc |
| 10:11.47 | tango_ | valdyn, I'm not 100% xserver-xorg-nv is involved, though, nv_drv does not appear in the backtrace |
| 10:11.47 | tome | ? |
| 10:11.56 | tome | malebria: I think I read hwclock --systohc --utc |
| 10:12.00 | tome | but haven't looked at the command yet |
| 10:12.04 | tome | may want to check man page |
| 10:12.05 | RvGaTe | pstickne, but the router web-interface is not working in "links" so i cant change those setting, so i need to change the pc's ip |
| 10:12.18 | pmv | hee hee |
| 10:12.27 | pstickne | RvGaTe, wait until you get home and fix it :p |
| 10:12.36 | RvGaTe | pstickne, f*ck :P |
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| 10:13.13 | malebria | geo-rge: ok, thanks. |
| 10:13.27 | geo-rge | you don't really need to do the hwclock thing... it does it for you |
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| 10:13.29 | malebria | tome: this command without --directisa gives that time out error. |
| 10:13.38 | geo-rge | ok, now run ntpdate |
| 10:13.45 | valdyn | tango_: it is involved, it could be a generic bug too, affecting all X drivers, not up to you to decide that though |
| 10:13.49 | malebria | tome: With --directisa shows nothing. |
| 10:13.51 | malebria | ok. |
| 10:13.58 | tango_ | valdyn, ok |
| 10:13.59 | tome | malebria: looks like geo-rge is on top of things, follow geo's lead. |
| 10:14.18 | malebria | tome: ok, thanks a lot. |
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| 10:15.13 | RvGaTe | tome, timezone? |
| 10:15.16 | geo-rge | tome: do you run winders too? |
| 10:15.34 | geo-rge | on the same box as multi boot that is |
| 10:16.33 | tome | RvGaTe: geo-rge: nope not this one.. I just always thought my HW clock was in utc. date -u shows the right utc value I think, and my time is right and timezone is set. But I wonder what my hwclock is set to, and how linux knows the mapping |
| 10:16.41 | malebria | geo-rge: ntpdate gives me right time. |
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| 10:17.00 | tome | hwclock --show |
| 10:17.00 | geo-rge | malebria: ok, now check date and date -u |
| 10:17.06 | RvGaTe | tome, just change it in the bios? :P |
| 10:17.07 | tome | hwclock --show |
| 10:17.08 | tome | oops |
| 10:17.41 | geo-rge | tome: that's part of tzconfig I think |
| 10:17.49 | malebria | geo-rge: now they're both right. |
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| 10:17.58 | geo-rge | malebria: good enuf |
| 10:18.12 | geo-rge | start ntp again and you're all set |
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| 10:20.06 | malebria | geo-rge: thanks. |
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| 10:20.33 | ideoteque123 | http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/mysql-server-5.0 |
| 10:20.42 | ideoteque123 | 5.0.30 ? |
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| 10:20.57 | malebria | geo-rge: I changed rcS to use utc, I'll reboot to check for clock tick time out. |
| 10:20.59 | malebria | thanks. |
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| 10:23.01 | tango_ | valdyn, ok, I've attached the Xorg.0.log with the crash, my xorg.conf, the relevant section of /var/log/acpid ... anything else that might be helpful to them? |
| 10:24.12 | valdyn | tango_: the script being run when you close the lid |
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| 10:24.56 | malebria | geo-rge: ok, now it's all fine. Thanks, I think the problem was not using utc. |
| 10:25.09 | malebria | tome: and that clock tick timed out is good now, thanks. |
| 10:25.19 | tome | excellent |
| 10:25.38 | tome | time to sleep |
| 10:25.43 | malebria | =D |
| 10:25.46 | malebria | tome: good night. |
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| 10:27.07 | tango_ | valdyn, ok, I'll test without X |
| 10:29.07 | epsilon | /topic Etch frozen |
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| 10:31.05 | tango_ | valdyn, the script returns instantly because laptop-mode is disabled |
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| 10:34.12 | geoaxis | helle people , i downloaded and tried to install debain from the business card ISO |
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| 10:34.31 | geoaxis | it all went , without any conspicious event |
| 10:34.46 | geo-rge | and then it bent? |
| 10:34.51 | geoaxis | except that now , after the install , I cannot boot via grub |
| 10:34.58 | geo-rge | why? |
| 10:35.10 | geoaxis | can't say |
| 10:35.40 | geo-rge | hmm... that's not much to go on |
| 10:35.41 | geoaxis | but right now the only thing with which i can boot linux is the same minimal installer |
| 10:35.50 | wols | there are little funny things on your monitor. what do they say when you try to boot? |
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| 10:36.09 | geoaxis | wols , no funny things on moniter |
| 10:36.13 | geo-rge | the lightey things under the glass you mean? :) |
| 10:36.20 | geoaxis | nothing happens when i press enter or escape |
| 10:36.28 | geoaxis | it only says grub stage 1.5 loading |
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| 10:36.33 | wols | paste your menu.lst then |
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| 10:36.42 | geoaxis | wols , thats the issue |
| 10:37.00 | thandavarayan | Can, anybody help me on how to backport, so that I can pull latest gnome debs. |
| 10:37.00 | geoaxis | how can i access my /boot via debain cd |
| 10:37.09 | geo-rge | hmm, why stage1.5 |
| 10:37.13 | wols | press ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 10:37.13 | geoaxis | fdisk doesnt work here , and neither does mount |
| 10:37.22 | geoaxis | done that wols |
| 10:37.24 | wols | geo-rge: cause stage 1.5 is always loaded |
| 10:37.34 | sep | geoaxis, so the problem is not that you can not boot via grub, the problem is that you can not get into grub at all. ? |
| 10:37.37 | wols | !doens't work |
| 10:37.40 | geo-rge | why do they do it that way? |
| 10:37.50 | geo-rge | I like to load stage2 directly |
| 10:38.01 | wols | cause 512bytes just isn't enough for a good bootloader |
| 10:38.18 | geoaxis | my problem is trivial |
| 10:38.28 | geoaxis | with this 2 year old debain cd |
| 10:38.36 | geo-rge | agreed... but we have to find out what it is :) |
| 10:38.38 | geoaxis | i cant even mount my harddrive |
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| 10:38.46 | geo-rge | what kind of hd? |
| 10:38.55 | wols | geo-rge: I like a apony, with sugar on top. doesn't mean I get it |
| 10:39.09 | wols | more importantly: what kinde of hdd controller? |
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| 10:39.36 | geoaxis | dmesg | grep hdb read hdb : ST340016A |
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| 10:40.02 | geoaxis | (i am sitting on my work emac , installing on a work x86 ) |
| 10:40.29 | wols | what controller? |
| 10:40.34 | geoaxis | wold : ide-disk driver |
| 10:40.38 | wols | and why hdb? |
| 10:40.46 | geo-rge | wols: in grub you -could- do... root (hd0,1) (assuming hda2 is your /) then install /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) /boot/grub/stage2 p |
| 10:40.50 | geoaxis | i guess its put as slave |
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| 10:40.56 | wols | that is no answer. there is no chip named "ide disk" |
| 10:41.14 | wols | I know it's put as slave, but why? |
| 10:41.16 | thandavarayan | Need somehelp on setting up the backports...in etch. |
| 10:41.25 | wols | !tell thandavarayan about backports |
| 10:41.32 | geo-rge | (ALL: don't actually do that unless you know what you're doing pls... could screw you up otherwise) |
| 10:41.32 | geoaxis | wols: how can i find out my controller |
| 10:41.33 | wols | tho I dunno if etch even has backports |
| 10:41.39 | wols | lspci |
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| 10:41.48 | valdyn | thandavarayan: there's no backports for etch yet |
| 10:42.19 | geoaxis | wols : yeah , that was my question , how can i find without lspci (debain cd , doesn't have pci utils) |
| 10:42.27 | geoaxis | i guess i need a newer cd |
| 10:42.32 | thandavarayan | valdyn: I heared some where, that gnome 2.16 is available through back ports... |
| 10:42.48 | mne | hi, i'm on unstable and just upgraded. now mozplugger doesn't want to open PDFs anymore (other stuff works). is anyone aware of that problem and/or has a fix for this ? |
| 10:42.56 | geoaxis | this is 2.4.27-3-386 kernel |
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| 10:43.15 | wols | dmesg can do it |
| 10:43.22 | wols | you bIOS knows it |
| 10:43.23 | wols | etc |
| 10:43.34 | geo-rge | what kind of hd do you have, and what kind of controller? |
| 10:43.38 | wols | geoaxis: boot via linux26 |
| 10:43.44 | valdyn | thandavarayan: so? that doesnt imply that there's backports for etch |
| 10:43.49 | geo-rge | these are good general things to know |
| 10:43.54 | wols | he already told you about the hdd: Seagate IDE |
| 10:44.04 | geo-rge | so it's a pata? |
| 10:44.28 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:44.32 | wols | google it if you wanna know |
| 10:44.35 | thandavarayan | valdyn: Okay...may be I am confused or so... :-) Can you help me on getting gnome2.16 on etch...if possible... |
| 10:44.50 | geoaxis | wols : if things like lspci were in cd , they would be available to 2.4 also (wouldnt they) |
| 10:45.00 | wols | yes they would |
| 10:45.05 | wols | now what cpu do you have? |
| 10:45.13 | wols | and BIOS usually gives away chipset too |
| 10:45.22 | sep | thandavarayan, there are gnome 2.16 packages in experimental. (it's called experimental for a reason!) |
| 10:45.24 | geo-rge | Interface:Ultra ATA/100 |
| 10:45.28 | geo-rge | so it's pata |
| 10:45.51 | sep | !experimental |
| 10:45.51 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 10:46.05 | geoaxis | wols : its a plain old intel mb , with p4 2.4 ghz |
| 10:46.21 | geoaxis | linux has been installed previously |
| 10:46.26 | geo-rge | and you're using the controllers on the mobo? |
| 10:46.42 | geoaxis | controller ? |
| 10:46.45 | wols | then it should work. guess it's i865 or so |
| 10:47.45 | geo-rge | did you install your motherboard? |
| 10:47.52 | wols | goki____: install linux with a 2.6 kernel |
| 10:48.01 | wols | geoaxis: |
| 10:48.11 | geoaxis | yes |
| 10:48.27 | geo-rge | ok, do you have your motherboard manual? |
| 10:48.34 | geoaxis | wols : i cant mount using /dev/hdb0 1 ..or any other |
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| 10:49.08 | geoaxis | i think the issue is this limited boot cd |
| 10:49.12 | geoaxis | i cant do grub |
| 10:49.16 | wols | geoaxis: what does it say? |
| 10:49.18 | geoaxis | or plain old mount |
| 10:49.37 | wols | and what do you enter with your mount line? |
| 10:49.43 | geo-rge | you're not giving us much to go on... and now you don't want to answer questions? |
| 10:50.05 | geoaxis | ok , assuming that i have some thing other than swap on hdb1 |
| 10:50.21 | geoaxis | which debain installer made sure there is |
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| 10:50.26 | giupy | hi all |
| 10:50.33 | giupy | any software on debian for lightscribe ? |
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| 10:50.43 | geoaxis | i should get some thing in mount /dev/hdb1 /tmp/hdb1 (hdb1 is a dir) |
| 10:51.01 | wols | what the FUCK does mount say? |
| 10:51.01 | geo-rge | geoaxis: if you limit what you tell us AND you refuse to answer questions, how do you expect help? |
| 10:51.31 | geoaxis | tmpfs on / type tmpfs |
| 10:51.39 | geoaxis | none on /dev type devfs |
| 10:51.44 | wols | no it doesn't when you type your above line |
| 10:51.50 | PerfDave | I'm trying to set up some crypted partitions with dm-crypt in Etch. Does anybody know how I can set it up so it mounts *some* devices on boot but not all? |
| 10:51.54 | geoaxis | none on /dev/pts type devpts |
| 10:52.05 | geoaxis | none on /proc type proc |
| 10:52.08 | wols | and now you're so stupid to paste in here |
| 10:52.14 | geoaxis | sysfs on /sys type sysfs |
| 10:52.15 | wols | !moron geoaxis |
| 10:52.15 | dpkg | geoaxis: You are moron #81 |
| 10:52.28 | geo-rge | PerfDave, wouldn't that be in /etc/fstab? |
| 10:52.43 | geoaxis | wols : i am typing it btw |
| 10:52.57 | geoaxis | and thanks for your help |
| 10:53.06 | geoaxis | you asked me what does mount say |
| 10:53.08 | PerfDave | geo-rge: No, it's the mounting of crypted loopbacks in /etc/crypttab that I'm concerned with. It still tries to set up the cryptoloop even if the crypted partition isn't then mounted as a filesystem. |
| 10:53.13 | geoaxis | u meant plain (mount) |
| 10:53.28 | geo-rge | no, he didn't mean that |
| 10:53.30 | geoaxis | or mount /dev..... |
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| 10:53.34 | geo-rge | yes, that |
| 10:54.08 | geo-rge | but at least we know you have mount and it seems to be working |
| 10:54.13 | geoaxis | u meant plain (mount)mounting /dev/hdb1 on /dev/hdb1 failed : block ddevice required ( not a paste ) |
| 10:54.45 | geoaxis | mount /dev/hdb1 /tmp/hdb1 > /dev/hdb1 on /dev/hdb1 failed : block ddevice required ( not a paste ) |
| 10:54.47 | geo-rge | show the exact line you typed |
| 10:55.21 | geoaxis | command : mount /dev/hdb1 /tmp/hdb1 |
| 10:55.33 | geo-rge | is there a /tmp/hdb1? |
| 10:55.48 | geoaxis | result : mount : Mounting /dev/hdb1 on /dev/hdb1 failed : Block device required |
| 10:55.51 | wols | fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 10:56.02 | wols | does any partition show? if not: check dmesg if hdb is recognized |
| 10:56.03 | geoaxis | geo-rage ( as mentioned above ) yes |
| 10:56.26 | geo-rge | what kind of thing is /tmp/hdb1 |
| 10:56.43 | geoaxis | wols : again as mentioned before ( dmesg | grep hdb ) shows there is a 40 gb hdb |
| 10:56.50 | wols | geoaxis: no matter what it is no block device so it doesn't matter |
| 10:56.54 | geo-rge | hdb? |
| 10:56.58 | cydork | geo-rge: do you see hdb in cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 10:57.03 | wols | geoaxis: the again: what does fdisk -l /dev/hdb say= |
| 10:57.12 | geo-rge | heh :) |
| 10:57.39 | geo-rge | he's still resisting giving info |
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| 10:57.49 | wols | also check if /dev/hdb1 exists |
| 10:57.59 | geoaxis | cydork : (here we go ..) yes i see hdb(1-9) there |
| 10:58.07 | geo-rge | you said "yes" when I asked: "did you install your motherboard" |
| 10:58.20 | geo-rge | so: you have a motherboard manual |
| 10:58.25 | geoaxis | geo-rge : ask the right question ( and read the answers ) |
| 10:58.44 | geo-rge | those are true? |
| 10:58.51 | wols | geoaxis: you haven't answered several of mine yet |
| 10:58.52 | geoaxis | geo-rge , motherbaord manual is as irrelevent here , as you asking about it ..again and again |
| 10:59.05 | geo-rge | ok, I'm out |
| 10:59.17 | geoaxis | wols ( sorry if i didnt ) ..ask one at a time |
| 10:59.29 | geo-rge | geoaxis: good luck with that :) |
| 10:59.39 | wols | does (dev/hdb1 exist? |
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| 11:00.27 | geoaxis | wols : file /dev/hdb1 returns nill , so no |
| 11:00.27 | geo-rge | magdalene, can I borrow kilgore? P:) |
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| 11:00.51 | wols | that's your problem |
| 11:00.59 | geoaxis | but the installer itseld can see the hdb , some how mount it partition it |
| 11:01.10 | geoaxis | and do all the things |
| 11:01.20 | geoaxis | it self* |
| 11:01.34 | wols | from what you described in your mount "paste" it is not mounted (yet) |
| 11:01.50 | wols | so MAKEDEV hdb1 and then mount it |
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| 11:02.05 | geo-rge | maybe not all of the installer is present yet... |
| 11:02.07 | wols | or continue the installer until it mounts the partition for you, your choice |
| 11:02.44 | geoaxis | ok , let me try to skip the partitioner |
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| 11:03.32 | geo-rge | or you could use the partitioner to state: here's a partition that's already created and formatted, use it as / |
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| 11:04.50 | geoaxis | hmm , after choosing manually partition |
| 11:05.01 | geoaxis | i dont see any option to skip partition write |
| 11:05.21 | wols | as long as you don't change anything in your partitions it's ok |
| 11:05.27 | protocol1 | whats the word on etch release date? |
| 11:05.37 | geo-rge | bubblefuck~ |
| 11:05.44 | geoaxis | so i do finish partition and write |
| 11:05.53 | geoaxis | ? |
| 11:07.14 | geo-rge | if you write the partition table but you have made no changes, I don't see where that would hurt |
| 11:08.02 | geoaxis | ok : now i get no root file system founf |
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| 11:08.19 | geo-rge | oh, go back to the partitioner |
| 11:08.33 | geo-rge | go into the partition in question (hdb1?) |
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| 11:08.53 | geo-rge | tell it to use it as / (as opposed to "do not use") |
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| 11:09.36 | geo-rge | do you have other operating systems on this drive? |
| 11:10.08 | geoaxis | no , but i think i only need /boot to be on |
| 11:10.17 | geo-rge | do you have other drives? (if so, do they have other operating systems) |
| 11:10.33 | cydork | geoaxis: i guess he didn't like your word :P |
| 11:10.56 | cydork | bahh |
| 11:11.00 | geo-rge | how can you have /boot if you dont have /? |
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| 11:11.22 | geo-rge | cydork: it was as good a word as any :) |
| 11:11.43 | cydork | geo-rge: i agree :) |
| 11:12.02 | geoaxis | hmmmm |
| 11:12.16 | bvk | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 11:12.26 | ft | names |
| 11:12.28 | geo-rge | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmoooooooooooooooooo |
| 11:12.29 | bvk | Oops! sorry |
| 11:12.30 | geoaxis | well , it should not matter , if i have / or not |
| 11:13.07 | geoaxis | i should be able to access /boot directly , i know its fs and have the /dev/hdb1 running (for the lack of a better word) |
| 11:13.33 | geo-rge | good luck with that :) |
| 11:14.20 | tarzeau | i hope mplayer makes it into testing |
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| 11:14.45 | tarzeau | but then it doesn't matter, since the debian mplayer is much worse than a self built one |
| 11:14.47 | matholio | hi all |
| 11:15.15 | matholio | Can anyone recommend an apt suitible for version control of text config files ? |
| 11:15.32 | matholio | svn is somewhat ott. |
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| 11:15.43 | geoaxis | oh well |
| 11:16.35 | geoaxis | i think i will use some other rescue cd to mount hda1 |
| 11:16.42 | geo-rge | here are the possibilities... I explain the operating system to you and charge you $250/hour for doing so... or, you can learn/read yourself |
| 11:17.06 | geoaxis | i guess the debian installer has exclusive provileges to mount stuff |
| 11:17.23 | geo-rge | it's in pieces |
| 11:17.26 | geoaxis | geo-rge : i think i know enough linux |
| 11:17.31 | geoaxis | if not enough debian |
| 11:17.51 | geo-rge | then you should know that you need / before you can mount anything on a dir off / |
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| 11:18.02 | geoaxis | no |
| 11:18.09 | geoaxis | if i just need to mount /boot |
| 11:18.14 | geoaxis | to change things in it |
| 11:18.21 | geoaxis | i can do it any where |
| 11:18.24 | geo-rge | look at "/boot" |
| 11:18.29 | geo-rge | notice the first char? |
| 11:18.32 | geoaxis | besides / is for the current system |
| 11:18.52 | geo-rge | in the installer / is probably on a ramdisk |
| 11:19.12 | geo-rge | in the partitioner it won't let you proceed without a defined / |
| 11:19.25 | geo-rge | because that's how things work |
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| 11:20.04 | geo-rge | maybe it's not perfect, probably nothing is |
| 11:20.19 | geo-rge | but that is how things work in unix/linux/unix-alike |
| 11:20.20 | geoaxis | oh , that is defined |
| 11:20.23 | geoaxis | i tried that too |
| 11:20.53 | geo-rge | by? |
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| 11:20.53 | geoaxis | i thought you were saying , i had to mount / to mount /boot |
| 11:20.53 | geo-rge | you do |
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| 11:21.06 | geoaxis | naaa |
| 11:21.18 | geoaxis | if i have access to a partition |
| 11:21.26 | geoaxis | i can mount it calling whatever i want |
| 11:21.37 | Danamania | 10 GOTO 10 |
| 11:21.40 | Danamania | wrong channel. |
| 11:22.03 | geo-rge | Danamania: I disagree... I think it's exactly the right channel :) |
| 11:22.45 | giupy | how to get work an X root application on my user ? |
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| 11:22.57 | geo-rge | geoaxis: then by all means... do it... and with any rescue disk/live cd/whatever you want |
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| 11:23.26 | niles | hi |
| 11:23.30 | Danamania | :) |
| 11:23.35 | niles | is the effetive user id and a real user id two seperate entities ? |
| 11:23.40 | cydork | giupy: sux? gksu? |
| 11:23.46 | geo-rge | can be |
| 11:23.50 | giupy | cydork: i try yhanks |
| 11:24.08 | chinnux | How can I use fglrx not mesa?ATiX550XT |
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| 11:25.17 | wols | !ati |
| 11:25.17 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 11:25.26 | geoaxis | ok |
| 11:25.36 | chinnux | So pity! |
| 11:25.44 | geoaxis | i just booted from another linux cd |
| 11:25.58 | geoaxis | and replaced the menu.lst entries of hd0 with hd1 |
| 11:26.03 | geoaxis | as i have hdb running |
| 11:26.05 | geo-rge | chinnux: there ya go |
| 11:26.24 | geo-rge | geoaxis: the base question remains... do you have something mounted on /? |
| 11:26.26 | chinnux | Thank you! |
| 11:26.50 | geoaxis | as in the ramdisk : yes |
| 11:27.07 | geoaxis | there is always / whenever running on nix |
| 11:27.09 | geo-rge | see? no exception. there must be a /. |
| 11:27.15 | geo-rge | yes. |
| 11:27.20 | geo-rge | always. |
| 11:27.23 | geoaxis | oh . no arguments with that |
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| 11:28.28 | geoaxis | ok |
| 11:28.30 | geo-rge | so were you able to boot with menu.lst correct? |
| 11:28.33 | geoaxis | so finally booted |
| 11:29.16 | geo-rge | (note, that if it wasn't before, that would explain why stage1.5 couldn't find stage2 |
| 11:29.26 | geo-rge | ) |
| 11:30.39 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.57 | geo-rge | what's ft |
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| 11:30.59 | ft | magdalene: huh? |
| 11:31.04 | cydork | !tell giupy-away -about away |
| 11:31.37 | geoaxis | ok people , thanks for your help |
| 11:31.55 | magdalene | if he is doing what i think he was attemptingn to do |
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| 11:32.02 | geoaxis | geo-rge : i hope you make 250 $ / hour for linux support one day |
| 11:32.15 | geoaxis | it will only come if you are patient and calme |
| 11:32.17 | geoaxis | :) |
| 11:32.33 | ft | magdalene: what was I attempting to do? |
| 11:32.36 | chinnux | chinux@debian:~/Desktop/下载$ fglrxinfo |
| 11:32.36 | chinnux | display: :0.0 screen: 0 |
| 11:32.36 | chinnux | OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 11:32.36 | chinnux | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 11:32.36 | chinnux | OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5.1) |
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| 11:32.50 | geo-rge | and help will likewise come to you when you are... |
| 11:32.58 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 11:32.58 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 11:33.19 | magdalene | he didnt away, he simply changed his nick cy |
| 11:33.54 | magdalene | thought you were going for a /names |
| 11:34.18 | ft | magdalene: right, and why would that 'flood me off'? |
| 11:34.31 | geo-rge | it's big |
| 11:34.54 | ft | not big enough. |
| 11:35.24 | magdalene | petrov what time is it there' |
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| 11:37.08 | magdalene | try pinging the channel sometime |
| 11:39.01 | geo-rge | yeah? |
| 11:39.34 | magdalene | involving words like 'placenta' and 'slippers' in the same sentance even. |
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| 11:40.30 | geo-rge | nonoNO, that's sicKo, not sicCo :) |
| 11:40.50 | geo-rge | but... you're right, they are pronounced the same |
| 11:41.29 | magdalene | and the occasional snack |
| 11:41.30 | geo-rge | I like pissing! |
| 11:41.38 | geo-rge | just not contests |
| 11:41.56 | pmv | anyone care to challenge that? :-p |
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| 11:42.47 | pmv | :> |
| 11:42.55 | geo-rge | yuck, I shouldn'ta done that |
| 11:43.18 | magdalene | good for the fern growth they like acidic environments |
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| 11:44.51 | magdalene | you all have to sleep sometime |
| 11:45.07 | wols | sleep is for the weak |
| 11:45.43 | magdalene | nice and humid in here now' |
| 11:45.58 | magdalene | perfect for eggs |
| 11:46.20 | blondie | are you a hen? |
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| 11:46.27 | wols | my guess is reptile |
| 11:46.28 | pmv | eggs? |
| 11:46.31 | blondie | ah |
| 11:46.35 | magdalene | heheheheheh |
| 11:46.41 | pmv | or platypus even |
| 11:47.41 | magdalene | "ripleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaieee...*munch*munch*munch* |
| 11:47.41 | cydork | magdalene: humanoid reptile ? :P |
| 11:48.07 | geo-rge | even ate the closing quote |
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| 11:48.19 | geo-rge | musta been hungry |
| 11:48.43 | magdalene | nite nite folks |
| 11:48.55 | pmv | haha |
| 11:50.31 | magdalene | *pthu*-----_" |
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| 11:53.04 | maasha | i need to find an old attachment that was sent to me back when i used mutt. i have the entire mailbox in ascii format (perhaps its in mbox format?) - is there some grepmail tool ? |
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| 11:53.32 | geo-rge | maasha: maybe procmail has some tools |
| 11:54.01 | maasha | geo-rge: i should say the best was probably to fire up mutt? |
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| 11:55.23 | geo-rge | argh. so you answered your own question |
| 11:56.30 | pmv | Hee hee. |
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| 12:02.52 | debula | any idea where can i ask a question about complexity theory or generally theoretical computer science? |
| 12:03.46 | pmv | debula: Try me |
| 12:04.03 | maasha | debula: my experience tells me you should ask in some programme language chan. |
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| 12:04.28 | debula | pmv: ok, it's about big-oh classes of complexity |
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| 12:04.39 | maasha | pmv: how to implement suffix links in ukkonens suffix tree? |
| 12:05.17 | debula | pmv: suppose dig(n) is the number of digits of n in its decimal expansion, and dig2(n) in its binary expansion |
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| 12:05.57 | debula | pmv: now this is the question that i don't understand, how O(dig(n)) and O(dig2(n)) are related? |
| 12:06.36 | debula | pmv: what does it mean to be related? these are set, how can i compare them? so my question is, what does this question mean? |
| 12:06.38 | geo-rge | approx linearly |
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| 12:07.12 | geo-rge | that is, there will be a rough scale factor that will get you close |
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| 12:08.20 | debula | pmv: obviously dig(n) = floor(log(n)) + 1 and dig2(n) = floor(lg(n)) + 1 |
| 12:08.30 | debula | geo-rge: is it for me? |
| 12:09.46 | debula | geo-rge: so you mean the world "related" means mmmm, which one is the big-oh of the other one? |
| 12:10.10 | pmv | hmm |
| 12:10.11 | debula | geo-rge: and if so, they are linearly related? |
| 12:11.15 | geo-rge | well anyway I think it's a relation between dig(n) and dig2(n) |
| 12:11.18 | debula | geo-rge: even if "related" means so, they should be related in logarithmic manner |
| 12:11.25 | pmv | which is the big oh of the other? |
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| 12:11.36 | pmv | is that an assumption here or are you just saying that? |
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| 12:11.58 | debula | geo-rge: but big-oh is a set, is the class of all the functions that are bigger than dig(n) and dig2(n) |
| 12:12.20 | debula | so what does it mean to check the relationship between these two sets? |
| 12:12.24 | pmv | yeah, I understand that |
| 12:12.29 | debula | pmv: assumption |
| 12:12.35 | geo-rge | I just see that the number of digits seem to be related that way, not the bigOs |
| 12:12.37 | pmv | that's an odd question, yeah |
| 12:12.43 | debula | pmv: even not an assumtion! |
| 12:13.08 | pmv | yes, but I mean, that's probably not the answer |
| 12:13.13 | debula | geo-rge: yeah, that one i see, but for dig(n) not O(dig(n)) |
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| 12:13.26 | debula | pmv: ok, what do you think? |
| 12:14.01 | pmv | hmm |
| 12:14.48 | pmv | I suppose you can point out the range where those two sets intersect |
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| 12:15.07 | debula | let me rephrase the question, it's asking about the relationship between two sets with functions as their elementsl. how can i check the relationships of two sets? |
| 12:15.11 | debula | mmm |
| 12:15.16 | pmv | it's hard to understand that question without knowing the context here |
| 12:15.40 | debula | well in that case, of course its dig2(n). correct? :-) |
| 12:15.46 | pmv | yeah |
| 12:16.02 | debula | context is Complexity of theory! i don't get you |
| 12:16.11 | pmv | you're being asked about the big ohs though |
| 12:16.21 | debula | pmv: yeah. |
| 12:16.30 | debula | pmv: in fact classes of complexity. |
| 12:16.33 | pmv | not just the function range |
| 12:16.54 | debula | pmv: no, no. function range? no |
| 12:17.15 | debula | what do you mean by function range? R(f) ? if so, no |
| 12:17.26 | pmv | yeah, I know |
| 12:17.28 | debula | R(f) is obviously N. |
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| 12:17.53 | pmv | you're being asked about O(f(n)) |
| 12:18.03 | debula | yes |
| 12:18.47 | debula | any idea? |
| 12:18.56 | pmv | I don't quite understand the question.. but you said it yourself, you can point out the relation between the two classes |
| 12:19.31 | Malagmyr | How can I request an additional ip-address with dhclient? I've figured out how to add another IP address to an interface, but that's just a static one. |
| 12:19.58 | pmv | Malagmyr: you mean to an aliased interface? |
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| 12:20.43 | pmv | you can try doing dhclient out that interface |
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| 12:23.36 | iuso | how would you recommend going about repartitioning a software raid 1 setup of 2 disks? |
| 12:23.59 | g00se | If there were a config saying 'if you're told to send mail to x, send to y and z too' where would it be? |
| 12:24.13 | sparr | g00se: /etc/aliases |
| 12:24.25 | sparr | g00se: /usr/sieve/y/y /usr/sieve/z/z |
| 12:24.33 | sparr | g00se: /usr/sieve/x/x |
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| 12:24.41 | markus__ | is there possibly to display a motd for users login in to ssh with /bin/false? |
| 12:24.44 | g00se | Ah not in aliases but shall look at others |
| 12:25.06 | sparr | g00se: ~x/.forward |
| 12:25.13 | debula | pmv: I just realized that our little prof. Frank is a big NUT! |
| 12:25.28 | sparr | markus__: how do you log in to ssh with /bin/false? |
| 12:25.45 | markus__ | sparr just login without executing a shell |
| 12:26.23 | markus__ | sparr: and have a group of users that use that for tunneling |
| 12:26.30 | Malagmyr | pmv: maybe. point is, I've got a computer connected directly to its isp with a normal network cable. It gets a normal internet IP from a DHCP-server. Running VMWare, I can set up a virtual machine that will get its own, valid IP, but I want to do this without VMWare, because all I need is another port 25, which I can forward to the second mail server on port 30. |
| 12:27.04 | markus__ | But it would be nice with a Motd or something like that. |
| 12:27.18 | cydork | Malagmyr: /msg dpkg ipalias |
| 12:28.23 | g00se | sparr: strange - no /usr/sieve. Only /bin/sieve, suggesting not configured. No .foward either |
| 12:28.31 | g00se | (.forward) |
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| 12:31.40 | iuso | does anyone have experience of xen on debian testing? i'm confused about how to install a guest domain. the debian wiki page doesn't really say much of it |
| 12:31.56 | petemc | iuso: debootsrap works |
| 12:32.05 | petemc | debootstrap |
| 12:32.24 | sparr | g00se: i assume from the wording of your question and responses that the situation in question is already happening and you cant figure out why or how to stop it? |
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| 12:32.53 | petemc | g00se: /etc/aliases |
| 12:32.56 | sparr | g00se: check /var/log/YOURMTA.log |
| 12:33.02 | sparr | petemc: welcome to 10 minutes ago :) |
| 12:33.11 | petemc | oh |
| 12:33.20 | g00se | sparr: correct |
| 12:33.30 | _osh | fish://192.168.0.20/home/osh/Documents/JCI-20061123.pdf |
| 12:33.30 | _osh | fish://192.168.0.20/home/osh/Documents/JCI-20061123.sxw |
| 12:33.35 | sparr | g00se: log wont let you fix it, but might show you whats causing it |
| 12:33.39 | _osh | Crap. My bad. |
| 12:33.48 | sparr | _osh: i have the distinct feeling that those links wont work for us :) |
| 12:33.49 | g00se | sparr: would it help for you to see a log extract (paster)? |
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| 12:33.56 | sparr | g00se: probably not |
| 12:33.58 | petemc | g00se: exim? |
| 12:34.23 | g00se | petemc: *did* have exim4 but canned it in favour of postfix |
| 12:34.46 | _osh | sparr: no, and cut-paste in linux is really something that does need some love. Desperatly. That's something from one of the two buffers that I wanted to paste from... :-/ |
| 12:35.12 | sparr | _osh: no one has ever quite gotten everyone to play nice on how cut and paste should work in linux |
| 12:35.16 | sparr | and no one ever will :( |
| 12:35.36 | petemc | jwz seems to understand it |
| 12:35.42 | _osh | sparr: probably not. annoying as hell though. I paste different things with ctrl-v than with ctrl-insert. Very strange... |
| 12:35.47 | sparr | its less painful if you use a single-toolkit platform, all qt or all gtk, but still not even close |
| 12:36.14 | sparr | 90% of the time i HATE drag=copy... but the other 10% of the time it makes things go twice as fast |
| 12:36.55 | Malagmyr | cydork: great! this looks like exactly what I need. |
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| 12:37.22 | _osh | Anyone who can explain my annoying LVM error? http://pastebin.ca/275303 It's quite bad since I no longer see my volume-groups under /dev but for some reason I can still mount them with EVMS (a tool that I just don't understand). |
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| 12:39.44 | PereNowel | hello |
| 12:39.57 | RvGaTe | hi |
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| 12:43.27 | PereNowel | the debian 4.0 is ready for action ? |
| 12:43.28 | PereNowel | ^^ |
| 12:43.39 | wols | !wwer |
| 12:43.39 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 12:43.46 | geo-rge | PereNowel: not released... but go for it if you want |
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| 12:44.09 | PereNowel | geo-rge: have you a date for the rc? |
| 12:44.21 | RvGaTe | geo-rge, it works good for workstation usage, not recommended as a server tho |
| 12:44.28 | RvGaTe | oops |
| 12:44.36 | RvGaTe | PereNowel, , it works good for workstation usage, not recommended as a server tho |
| 12:44.39 | lastnode | does anyone here run the bcm43xx driver? |
| 12:44.52 | PereNowel | yes its for a server usage for me :/ |
| 12:45.08 | RvGaTe | PereNowel, just wait untill its released |
| 12:45.11 | PereNowel | RvGaTe: thx |
| 12:45.18 | RvGaTe | PereNowel, we cant tell you a date tho |
| 12:45.26 | RvGaTe | PereNowel, becouse noone knows |
| 12:45.43 | PereNowel | RvGaTe: ok i wainting, i am really impatient ;) |
| 12:45.52 | PereNowel | ouarg |
| 12:45.57 | PereNowel | waiting* |
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| 12:47.29 | geo-rge | PereNowel: why? isn't your server working? |
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| 12:48.16 | PereNowel | geo-rge: oh si, but its for a new server installation, the box is ready i am impatient that all ;) |
| 12:48.42 | PereNowel | its always a real pleasure a new dstro af debian |
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| 12:49.26 | dsl863 | Hi, I've installed Damn Small Linux on my laptop and would like to take the hard disk out into a USB enclosure and have it bootable. Anyone willing to take up the challenge of helping a total newbie rebuild his initrd? :) |
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| 12:51.04 | dsl863 | guess everyone is scared of helping the newbie? :) |
| 12:51.12 | geo-rge | dsl863: #debian doesn't offer support to non-debian users (too much work supporting debian-only as it is)... you might try ##linux |
| 12:51.22 | whadar | how can i install daemons and not run them immediately? |
| 12:51.47 | dsl863 | oh ok, i was referred here by #damnsmalllinux, that's why |
| 12:51.53 | geo-rge | the debian packages do start them |
| 12:52.13 | geo-rge | so I dunno... you could install them then stop them |
| 12:52.19 | stew | dsl863: they shouldn't have referred you here |
| 12:52.20 | whadar | is there a way to not start them by default? |
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| 12:52.28 | geo-rge | no |
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| 12:52.43 | geo-rge | well, yes... build them yourself |
| 12:53.14 | whadar | geo-rge: so every daemon package also "registers" itself to the init scritps? |
| 12:53.55 | bathat | is there a sensors app that supports k8temp? |
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| 12:54.06 | bathat | xsensors doesn't |
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| 12:54.27 | bathat | sensors doesn't appear to either |
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| 12:54.40 | stew | yay, etch is frozen |
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| 12:55.20 | t2k2 | that mean its due for release |
| 12:56.03 | stew | t2k2: it means that the versions of the software currently in etch are the ones that will release except for updates that will be allowed in by hand by the releease team in order to fix rc bugs |
| 12:56.04 | t2k2 | can anybody help me with building xen on a new kernel say 2.16.18 ? |
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| 12:56.33 | geo-rge | whadar: yes, in general |
| 12:56.48 | geo-rge | Hey! Frozen stew! |
| 12:56.48 | dooglus | which package will let me view a .pdf file zoomed right in? evince will only go to 400% |
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| 12:57.17 | bathat | t2k2: as far as i can tell, it's just a matter of getting the xen-linux-system package for your kernel version |
| 12:57.19 | t2k2 | stew: sweet |
| 12:57.55 | t2k2 | can i still recompile it to remove and add drivers ? |
| 12:58.02 | iuso | t2k2: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen is what got me started. i'm still learning how to set up guest domains, but i can already boot the host domain xen kernel |
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| 12:58.52 | bathat | iuso: thanks, that might help me too if i ever decide to do this |
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| 12:59.17 | t2k2 | i normally install xen by downloading the source and compiling it but when i do make world it download the 2.6.16.29 kernel and my lan dont work with it |
| 12:59.52 | petemc | the debian xen pakages work fine for me |
| 13:00.01 | petemc | there have been some problems in the past, thp |
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| 13:00.46 | dooglus | which package will let me view a .pdf file zoomed right in? evince will only go to 400% |
| 13:00.58 | rui_ | hi....does anyone have a two monitors working? I'm having some issues |
| 13:01.07 | rui_ | maybe someone can help me... |
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| 13:01.22 | dooglus | rui_: I have 5 monitors working. |
| 13:01.36 | rui_ | :) super cool |
| 13:01.41 | dooglus | 4 on windows boxes, and one on debian. |
| 13:01.53 | bathat | :O |
| 13:02.32 | rui_ | but do you have (in debian) more than one monitor configured...or do you know how to do it? |
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| 13:02.45 | petemc | http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/xorg.conf is what i use for a machine with 2 video cards |
| 13:03.22 | rui_ | petemc: thanks |
| 13:03.23 | rui_ | the thing is |
| 13:03.34 | rui_ | I have 2 monitors..using mergefb working |
| 13:03.36 | rui_ | but |
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| 13:04.03 | rui_ | my crt....on the left side....gets the kde menu and so on..is like the primary one |
| 13:04.09 | bathat | so weird, i just removed 7.6GB worth of files from a partition and df doesn't seem to notice |
| 13:04.11 | rui_ | and the laptop lcd...get the "rest" |
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| 13:04.28 | dooglus | which package will let me view a .pdf file zoomed right in? evince and xpdf will only go to 400%. the gimp refuses to open the files at all. |
| 13:04.41 | bathat | never had that happen before |
| 13:05.05 | rui_ | I would lke to have the lcs monitor as "main monitor" and the crt for the "rest" |
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| 13:05.28 | rui_ | and it would be super...if its recognized when I dont have the crt connected |
| 13:05.38 | dooglus | bathat: either something is keeping the files open, or they were on a different partition than you think they were? |
| 13:05.53 | bathat | nope, they were on /usr |
| 13:06.10 | bathat | i burned them to a dvd and unmounted it |
| 13:06.43 | bathat | i'm confused |
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| 13:10.13 | bathat | something funny is going on, when i try to install a package with apt-get, i get 'Segmentation faultsts... 0%' |
| 13:10.59 | bathat | hopefully a reboot will fix it |
| 13:11.41 | valdyn | bathat: files in use dont free space as long as they are still in use, see lsof |
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| 13:12.23 | bathat | yeah, but i'm sure it's not in use |
| 13:12.39 | valdyn | bathat: lsof knows, you don't |
| 13:12.46 | valdyn | bathat: ..unless you tried lsof |
| 13:12.55 | bathat | i know, but the files were just videos |
| 13:13.01 | bathat | and mplayer is not running |
| 13:13.10 | bathat | oh wait, there we go |
| 13:13.12 | valdyn | bathat: how do you know its not running? |
| 13:13.16 | valdyn | bathat: ... |
| 13:13.17 | bathat | atop |
| 13:13.34 | bathat | how weird |
| 13:13.44 | bathat | apt-get is still segfaulting though |
| 13:13.47 | valdyn | bathat: mplayer tends to leave a process behind, circumstantialy, i havent bothered to look into that |
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| 13:15.21 | jelly-home | Can I make Linux prefer keeping disk cache (of a particular filesystem) in memory and swap out applications instead? |
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| 13:17.14 | bathat | lm-sensors has only supported k8-temp since kernel 2.6.19 (my kernel)... when are apps like xsensors going to follow suit? |
| 13:17.59 | jelly-home | bathat: apps should be able to work on whatever sensors the linux drivers provide |
| 13:18.20 | bathat | well, xsensors returns 'Sensor 'k8temp' not supported by xsensors!' |
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| 13:18.29 | bathat | sensors doesn't work any better |
| 13:18.31 | beardy | jelly-home: I don't think so, maybe with a patch, but I have no idea. |
| 13:19.01 | beardy | jelly-home: That was what the sticky bit was for, in the old days, I've read. 'man chmod' iirc |
| 13:19.23 | jelly-home | bathat: fwiw, I have a chip "k8temp-*" entry in my etch /etc/sensors.conf |
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| 13:19.49 | bathat | hmm, same here |
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| 13:20.10 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 13:20.19 | bathat | sensors = CPU Temp: +91°F (low = +261°F, high = +136°F) |
| 13:20.26 | jelly-home | bathat: so it works |
| 13:20.55 | bathat | 261F 0_o |
| 13:21.06 | bathat | and there's always so little fluctuation in the temp |
| 13:21.11 | mick_home | my drive just gave me the finger: end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector ########## -- is this a really bad sign? SMART didn't complain so i don't *think* my drive is dying |
| 13:21.30 | jelly-home | mick_home: got any power failures lately? |
| 13:21.45 | mick_home | jelly-home: a few, could that be it? |
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| 13:22.13 | sep | mick_home, backups is nice in any case |
| 13:22.20 | jelly-home | mick_home: you might have bad sectors from that. |
| 13:22.46 | mick_home | sep: ya, i just would loose a few hours worth of work if it crapped out now |
| 13:23.03 | mick_home | i had RAM issues last night, so i backed up :) |
| 13:23.08 | bathat | jelly-home: so sensors works fine for you? |
| 13:23.21 | mick_home | i was just thinking "shit... my ram is bad... now my drive!?" |
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| 13:23.40 | jelly-home | bathat: nope, I don't have a k8, I'm just saying that it could work as far as I can see. |
| 13:23.57 | bathat | yeah, but that doesn't appear to be the case |
| 13:24.17 | bathat | anyway... not a huge deal |
| 13:24.41 | mick_home | how do i fix the sectors? do i need to reboot till it fscks for me :) |
| 13:24.55 | mick_home | i remember fsck on a mounted drive was a bad idea |
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| 13:26.24 | x_link | Hi |
| 13:26.28 | x_link | I really need help |
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| 13:26.37 | x_link | I just turned off my computer and took out one of my fans |
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| 13:26.42 | infernix | what's this PATA thing in 2.6.19, a future replacement for IDE? |
| 13:26.45 | x_link | Then when I rebooted and my KDE doesn't start |
| 13:26.55 | mick_home | ok, it has bad sectors on "sudo" - it even says /usr/bin/sudo - not found |
| 13:26.56 | x_link | I come to command line, and I can't type startx there either. |
| 13:27.00 | x_link | I'm in CLI now |
| 13:27.55 | x_link | Can somebody please help me? |
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| 13:27.55 | jelly-home | infernix: yeah, all your drives are belong to libata now |
| 13:27.56 | mick_home | that scares the shit out of me, let me backup via scp |
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| 13:27.57 | mick_home | x |
| 13:27.57 | infernix | jelly-home: sounds sweet |
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| 13:27.57 | stew | x_link: why can't you type startx? |
| 13:27.58 | x_link | I can, but nothing happens |
| 13:27.58 | x_link | It jumps back to cli |
| 13:27.58 | stew | x_link: nothing at all? |
| 13:27.58 | infernix | jelly-home: tried it yet? |
| 13:28.08 | stew | x_link: do you see an error? |
| 13:28.08 | x_link | stew: Nope |
| 13:28.11 | x_link | Nope |
| 13:28.17 | stew | x_link: what version of debian? |
| 13:28.18 | mick_home | err, x_link `sudo X -configure` - then use the new X configuration. maybe an x.org upgrade killed the x config |
| 13:28.31 | mick_home | oh, no error? |
| 13:28.33 | mick_home | then nm |
| 13:28.35 | x_link | stew: testing |
| 13:28.40 | x_link | stew: I just took out my fan, and rebooted. |
| 13:28.44 | x_link | And this happend. |
| 13:28.46 | jelly-home | infernix: I'm running 2.6.17 with libata on a laptop, but have only a PATA DVD. |
| 13:28.53 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 13:28.55 | stew | x_link: put a copy of /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin |
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| 13:28.58 | x_link | mick_home: Okey. |
| 13:29.07 | x_link | stew: I don't know how to do anything in cli |
| 13:29.22 | mick_home | dpkg: pastebin |
| 13:29.22 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 13:29.51 | t2k2 | infernix: hi yesterday i applyed the fedora patch like you said how do i configure the and compile 2.6.18 when i do make menuconfig it shows no XEN |
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| 13:29.57 | mick_home | did, x_link leave? |
| 13:30.08 | mick_home | i don't see him in my tab completion |
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| 13:30.16 | stew | mick_home: yes |
| 13:30.23 | mick_home | and i don't see a quit message |
| 13:30.25 | mick_home | odd |
| 13:30.32 | mick_home | conference mode? |
| 13:30.42 | stew | mick_home: why would you tell him to use X -configure instead of dpkg-reconfigure? and why not tell him about the md5sum? |
| 13:30.46 | infernix | t2k2: you have to select the Xen CPU architecture |
| 13:30.59 | cast | hmm, any nice console apps to monitor cpu use on a SMP box? afaics top doesn't quite show enough |
| 13:31.02 | infernix | t2k2: once you do that, you can search (/) in "make menuconfig" on "xen" to find all the possible options. |
| 13:31.05 | mick_home | stew: since that is what worked for me :) |
| 13:31.09 | mick_home | the md5sum? |
| 13:31.12 | Yunhual | the autoconf and automake of gnu are so complex, is there any other tools for automatical make ? |
| 13:31.16 | mick_home | stew: what do you mean? |
| 13:31.21 | stew | mick_home: /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 13:31.35 | mick_home | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works too - i know :) |
| 13:31.38 | Azar | mick_home: this is debian we talking about not "some linux where we try anything" |
| 13:31.43 | stew | mick_home: not anymore it doesn't |
| 13:31.44 | jelly-home | infernix: also I tried kmuto.jp 2.6.19-rc3 installer images, but I didn't get far with that ... this was more an installer issue I think |
| 13:32.05 | mick_home | Azar: what do you mean by that comment? |
| 13:32.13 | stew | cast: what is missing from top? |
| 13:32.20 | wols | he means that X -configure will not work in debian |
| 13:32.25 | Azar | mick_home: it means that stuff goes the "debian way" |
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| 13:32.58 | mick_home | why the hell did it work for me then? |
| 13:33.01 | jelly-home | mick_home: Debian has its own funny ways to do some things, and it's usually better to use those |
| 13:33.06 | mick_home | Azar: i follow you on that ;) |
| 13:33.13 | mick_home | ya i know |
| 13:33.20 | mick_home | thanks for the md5 tip |
| 13:33.21 | cast | stew: well top says 'Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.8%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st', but i'd like to see usage %'s for both cpus |
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| 13:33.42 | cast | rather than both as a whole |
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| 13:34.17 | iuso | cast: press '1' |
| 13:34.17 | Azar | mick_home: you don't need to write it, it is written on the header of that file, people just need to read it before editing it |
| 13:34.25 | infernix | jelly-home: well I'm not touching it on my softraid IDE boxes just yet. i'd hate to break it :) |
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| 13:35.07 | mick_home | Azar: i mean, in case someone asks "/msg dpkg xorgmd5" |
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| 13:35.45 | mick_home | by the way, has anyone ever gotten mutiple video cards to work at once? what kind of constraints are there |
| 13:35.48 | stew | Yunhual: there is scons, but its gross |
| 13:36.08 | h3sp4wn | Yunhual: cmake |
| 13:37.07 | Yunhual | but there are many release utility of gnu manage with autoconf and automake, is it ? |
| 13:37.55 | mick_home | i have an agp card and a pci card, so i thought i'd add box into one box (not sure how easy it is and how dpkg-reconfigure would like that - or hate it) |
| 13:38.12 | stew | mick_home: dpkg-reconigure doesn't support multiple cards |
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| 13:38.17 | jelly-home | infernix: funny, I tried to use it to install a (SATA) softraid machine. Ended up using default installer, since it turned out that ye olde 2.6.8 supported the controller that my boot disks were on |
| 13:38.20 | stew | mick_home: or multiple heads on the same card |
| 13:38.44 | mick_home | oh fun, what is the recommended way of setting that up? |
| 13:38.52 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:38.52 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:39.15 | Yunhual | i want to find which file be copied to where, when i typed ./configure && make && make install, how can i find it ? |
| 13:39.27 | stew | mick_home: vim /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 13:39.51 | mick_home | heh, ok i figured that much :-P |
| 13:39.55 | infernix | via nics suck. |
| 13:40.38 | Yunhual | can you understand me ? |
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| 13:40.56 | stew | Yunhual: yes |
| 13:40.59 | mick_home | Yunhual: make -n |
| 13:41.00 | Phukked | Hey all, why does Debian remove the nologin shell on boot? |
| 13:41.10 | stew | Phukked: it doesn't |
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| 13:41.29 | Phukked | hrm, then whats this /etc/init.d/rmnologin ? |
| 13:41.35 | Phukked | and where has my nologin gone ? :P |
| 13:43.05 | stew | Phukked: your nologin is in /usr/bin |
| 13:43.14 | Yunhual | mick_home, make -n ? |
| 13:43.23 | mick_home | ok, my box is scaring me now -- i need to connect to it, bbl |
| 13:43.32 | mick_home | Yunhual: ya, read the manpage |
| 13:43.43 | stew | Phukked: /etc/init.d/rmnologin removes /etc/nologin which tells the system that a boot is in progress, and non-root users shouldn't be allowed to log in until the boot is finished |
| 13:43.43 | mick_home | see you later |
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| 13:47.20 | mick_home | my f***** hdd just died, ah sh**... |
| 13:47.33 | mick_home | a night's worth of work - went down the drain |
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| 13:48.20 | mick_home | i guess "/usr/bin/shutdown not found" on ctrl+alt+delete should have been the thing that gave it away :( |
| 13:48.24 | Azar | yesssssssyes yess yeeesss!!! Etch is FROZEN! |
| 13:48.45 | ubox | ah i did apt-get install bootp |
| 13:48.53 | ubox | but then bootp is not working |
| 13:49.03 | ubox | it says bad command |
| 13:49.22 | ubox | am on ubuntu dapper |
| 13:49.22 | t2k2 | anybody no when etch will be out |
| 13:49.27 | t2k2 | net 2 weeks ? |
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| 13:49.29 | Ronin | t2k2: when its ready |
| 13:49.34 | infernix | !wir |
| 13:49.34 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 13:49.41 | Fox | ubox: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:49.50 | ubox | i did but didn't help |
| 13:49.52 | Azar | ubox we don't know about ubuntu issues |
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| 13:50.00 | Ronin | t2k2: sometime betweennow and sometime in the future :) |
| 13:50.01 | sohmestra | !ubuntu |
| 13:50.01 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 13:50.01 | ubox | oh ok |
| 13:50.06 | ubox | :) |
| 13:50.10 | ubox | thnks |
| 13:50.34 | mick_home | Oo it works agaon after 2nd restart |
| 13:50.37 | infernix | Azar: where'd you read that? |
| 13:50.52 | Azar | last I remember Sarge took like one month from the freeze to the release |
| 13:51.03 | Fox | infernix: http://times.debian.net/1038-Etch-frozen |
| 13:51.17 | Azar | infernix: Andreas BArth here: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.announce/1002 |
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| 13:51.54 | infernix | thats great:) |
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| 13:55.40 | smacnay | can xmms tune into lastfm feeds? |
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| 13:56.22 | cast | lastfm uses what format? |
| 13:56.33 | jugglinx | smacnay, what u mean? listen to an last.fm stream? |
| 13:56.46 | jelly-home | smacnay: afaict no |
| 13:57.02 | smacnay | jugglinx: yes. |
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| 13:57.08 | smacnay | jelly-home: ah, too bad. |
| 13:57.19 | smacnay | jelly-home: would be nice. |
| 13:57.41 | jelly-home | smacnay: I think they don't really want people to use other players |
| 13:57.59 | jugglinx | i also think, it cant but i never tried... |
| 13:58.03 | jelly-home | smacnay: amarok can do it though ;-) |
| 13:58.07 | smacnay | jelly-home: that would make sense. |
| 13:58.12 | Fox | smacnay: you can't listen to last.fm with xmms but you can tell xmms to send information to what you listen with xmms when using it |
| 13:58.13 | jugglinx | jelly-home, and amarok? ;-) |
| 13:58.30 | smacnay | jelly-home: Yes, I have used amarok for it. |
| 13:58.39 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 14:29.29 | JoelR | what is the equivalent to "nobody" group in Debian? |
| 14:29.38 | JoelR | "nogroup" in /etc/group? |
| 14:29.48 | PerfDave | JoelR: "nogroup", I expect |
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| 14:30.28 | JoelR | PerfDave: Hmm.. you sure? |
| 14:30.35 | PerfDave | JoelR: I'm rarely sure about anything |
| 14:30.49 | JoelR | lol |
| 14:31.11 | infernix | well, im sure |
| 14:31.34 | Yunhual | make -n Print the command that would be executed, but do not execute them |
| 14:31.35 | infernix | im as sure about that as I am about this VIA nic being a piece of **** |
| 14:32.21 | Yunhual | but i want to see which file would be copied to where when i typed make install. |
| 14:32.46 | infernix | Yunhual: that's what "make -n install" shows. read the output carefully |
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| 14:34.02 | Yunhual | infernix, sorry, i just typed make -n and see the output. thank you |
| 14:34.10 | Karvus | hey guys - I have a box with Debian testing here, and it's running 2.2.18. there's a catch 22 in that I can't install glibc because I'm running pre 2.4 kernel, and I can't install newer kernels because I can't install glibc. apt-get -f install didn't help. |
| 14:34.15 | Karvus | any clues on what I should do? |
| 14:34.25 | SlayerXP | karsten: install them both, at the same time |
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| 14:37.35 | PerfDave | Karvus: How did you get in this situation in the first place? |
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| 14:38.52 | Karvus | not sure, it's the state I found the machine in now. only thing I can think of is the machine was installed a long time ago, and only been upgraded with testing tree ever since. that doesn't automatically upgrade to new kernels, I think? |
| 14:39.11 | PerfDave | Karvus: By "a long time ago", you're talking several years, right? |
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| 14:39.29 | Karvus | yes |
| 14:39.40 | Karvus | 4, maybe 5 years I guess |
| 14:39.44 | PerfDave | Karvus: Perhaps you could try putting sources in for Sarge, attempting an upgrade to Sarge's glibc and kernel, and then upgrading to Etch. |
| 14:39.57 | PerfDave | Karvus: You should read the Woody->Sarge and Sarge->Etch release notes before doing this. |
| 14:40.11 | Karvus | ah, thanks for the pointer, trying that then. |
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| 14:42.14 | roe_ | where is the conf file that tells the various cron levels to run? |
| 14:42.51 | abrotman | cron levels? |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | like cron.daily etc ? |
| 14:42.59 | roe_ | cron.daily cron.weekly etc |
| 14:43.11 | PerfDave | roe_: /etc/cron* |
| 14:43.14 | abrotman | /etc/crontab |
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| 14:44.11 | roe_ | thanx |
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| 14:44.18 | doublehp | how to manually create mbox on Imap server ? (only cyrus installed, no MTA, cause no MTA needed) |
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| 14:44.22 | rusher | hello |
| 14:44.46 | PerfDave | doublehp: With an IMAP client? |
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| 14:45.04 | doublehp | PerfDave: no, I am root on server; should be easier :) |
| 14:45.18 | PerfDave | doublehp: I'd use an IMAP client |
| 14:45.44 | doublehp | PerfDave: I am said "mailbox does not exist" |
| 14:46.12 | PerfDave | doublehp: When you try to create a mailbox? |
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| 14:46.26 | PerfDave | doublehp: Are you trying to create a folder, or a new user account, or what? |
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| 14:47.04 | doublehp | PerfDave: just installed cyrus, so every thing is missing |
| 14:47.16 | PerfDave | doublehp: Have you tried reading the documentation for Cyrus? |
| 14:47.17 | doublehp | BUT, user can *now* authenticate |
| 14:47.32 | PerfDave | doublehp: /usr/share/doc/cyrus* |
| 14:47.38 | doublehp | PerfDave: yup, it always expect or assume MTA server around, what I dont need nor want |
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| 14:48.08 | PerfDave | doublehp: Well, you probably *do* need an MTA on a Unix system, but that's by-the-by. |
| 14:48.24 | PerfDave | doublehp: I'd suggest if you're having problems with Cyrus that you read the Cyrus documentation. It's there for a reaosn. |
| 14:48.46 | cast | is there a mirror for http://cdimage.debian.org? it's broken for me atm [downloads keep getting reset] |
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| 14:49.06 | abrotman | for which images? |
| 14:49.14 | doublehp | in short, cyrus doc says: since you use me, you know what you are doing, thus we dont need to explain you what to do |
| 14:49.16 | cast | amd64 businesscard iso |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | or use a download manager |
| 14:49.22 | cast | the etch installer |
| 14:49.27 | abrotman | use wget to get it |
| 14:49.39 | cast | i am. |
| 14:49.41 | cast | 00:18:01 (0.00 B/s) - Connection closed at byte 1027720. Retrying. |
| 14:49.47 | abrotman | so use wget -c <url> |
| 14:49.51 | cast | ^repeated, every 6 seconds |
| 14:49.55 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 14:50.01 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 14:50.09 | doublehp | PerfDave: I just an empty mailbox so that server stops saying there is none for my user |
| 14:50.17 | PerfDave | doublehp: Then try asking #cyrus or something, I dunno. |
| 14:50.24 | doublehp | PerfDave: should be some touch/chmod |
| 14:50.24 | abrotman | cast: and there's no BT image is there ? |
| 14:50.42 | cast | no, not afaics |
| 14:50.47 | abrotman | (admittedly .. i'd use the netinst) |
| 14:50.54 | cast | [it's only 30mb] |
| 14:51.06 | PerfDave | doublehp: For Cyrus, no. |
| 14:51.06 | cast | hmm. will try to dl it from another host |
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| 14:52.18 | abrotman | cast: you could ask #debian-boot on OFTC |
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| 14:52.46 | giacus | hello |
| 14:53.26 | heatman | could someone tell me how much space in GB a full install (14 cds and the 4 update cds), after installation packages are deleted, on a hd? |
| 14:53.40 | cast | abrotman: no need. managing to wget it on my server :), then ill tranfer it from there |
| 14:53.56 | Yunhual | gcc --print-file specs |
| 14:53.58 | cast | it could be some odd networking issue on my end |
| 14:53.58 | Yunhual | what is a specs file of gcc, what is its role ? |
| 14:53.59 | whadar | if im installing etch before the official release, and after the release i update the system... will i have the exact "released" system |
| 14:54.17 | giacus | i'm looking for a very good webforum package, any idea ? |
| 14:54.26 | PerfDave | giacus: There's no such thing, use NNTP |
| 14:54.28 | whadar | or in other words, does apt-get update truly updates everything? |
| 14:54.30 | giacus | I found phpbb2 in Debian stable |
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| 14:54.43 | PerfDave | heatman: That depends on what you choose to install. Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 14:54.45 | Yunhual | what is phpbb2? |
| 14:54.59 | cast | giacus: check out opensourcecms.com, but like PerfDave says...they all kinda suck. security wise and speed wise at least. |
| 14:55.02 | giacus | phpbb2 - A fully featured and skinneable flat (non-threaded) webforum |
| 14:55.06 | PerfDave | giacus: phpbb2 is a horrible pile of turdy cruft, with more security holes than swiss cheese |
| 14:55.12 | infernix | doublehp: the cyrus imap server is one of the more complicated ones. try courier if it's too hard. |
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| 14:55.14 | PerfDave | whadar: If your sources.list says "etch" rather than "testing", yes. |
| 14:55.39 | giacus | PerfDave: what then ? |
| 14:55.48 | heatman | PerfDave: no entirely... that what im saying is if i decide to install everything, how much space would it take? |
| 14:55.55 | Yunhual | is phpbb2 free ? |
| 14:56.02 | PerfDave | heatman: You can't install everything. |
| 14:56.02 | giacus | I think so |
| 14:56.06 | stew | Yunhual: yes |
| 14:56.15 | PerfDave | giacus: A nice news server |
| 14:56.28 | giacus | for a forum community ? |
| 14:56.53 | PerfDave | Sure, it worked for the last 30 years |
| 14:57.03 | heatman | PerfDave: I see! What would you recommend for a new Debian user? Using SuSe atm so Debian seems a bit foreign to me! |
| 14:57.13 | stew | heatman: for example, postfix and exim4 conflict with eachother so you couldn't have both installed |
| 14:57.37 | abrotman | cast: firewall ? |
| 14:57.42 | whadar | PerfDave: so there are no actual disadvantages of installing etch before the release? |
| 14:57.53 | Yunhual | is there any website are construct with phpBB2 ? |
| 14:57.56 | whadar | ill get the same stable system in the end... |
| 14:58.01 | stew | whadar: its not getting timely security updates currently |
| 14:58.15 | Yunhual | i want to see the impression |
| 14:58.17 | PerfDave | whadar: Yes. You won't get security team support, and there will be some bugs during the release process. |
| 14:58.19 | cast | abrotman: never manifested itself before, mmmm. |
| 14:58.21 | heatman | Stew: yeah didnt think of that... just used to use Yast to make full install and take care of dependencies probs |
| 14:58.36 | PerfDave | heatman: I suggest you install the software you want to use? |
| 14:58.37 | giacus | Yunhual: could be this ? http://www.phpbb2.de/ |
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| 14:59.03 | heatman | PerfDave: hehe ok ty |
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| 14:59.40 | whadar | PerfDave: ok so till the release i might have problems but afterwards, im just a regular stable user. correct? |
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| 15:00.03 | PerfDave | whadar: That should be the case, yes. You'll need to check your sources.list after install. |
| 15:00.08 | giacus | PerfDave: sorry, and what about the nioce news server to choose ? |
| 15:00.11 | cast | abrotman: http downloads have been going fine, even right now, just not this iso in particular. can't really explain it, other than obscure isp issue |
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| 15:00.42 | heatman | PerfDave: just one more question: what tool should i use to configure my internet? my wlan0 card is not detected during install... |
| 15:00.55 | PerfDave | giacus: apt-cache search news server |
| 15:01.00 | PerfDave | giacus: cnews will probably do what you want. |
| 15:01.08 | cydork | heatman: which card do you have? |
| 15:01.08 | giacus | tthanks :) |
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| 15:01.40 | PerfDave | heatman: Hmm, there used to be something called etherconf... the configuration file is /etc/network/interfaces though |
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| 15:02.14 | stew | heatman: do you know which kernel driver suports your card? |
| 15:02.20 | heatman | cydork: its a Linksys SpeedBooster 2.4Ghz - 802.11g - Wireless G pcmcia card |
| 15:02.23 | whadar | PerfDave: ok thanks |
| 15:02.41 | cydork | heatman: check for it here http://linux-wless.passys.nl |
| 15:02.53 | CharminTheMoose | question: with the 2.6.19 kernel are you able to set aside how much RAM gets taken up by the AGPGART module in menuconfig? |
| 15:02.58 | heatman | cydork: ok ty |
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| 15:03.30 | heatman | stew: was able to make it work with suse 9.0 few years back so... |
| 15:04.08 | PerfDave | heatman: You got something to work with SuSE? Did you get some kind of award? |
| 15:04.18 | Ronin | ouch heh |
| 15:04.22 | Yunhual | is phpbb2 just a forum ? i there any artical managment for phpbb2 ? |
| 15:04.45 | heatman | PerfDave: lol |
| 15:04.45 | whadar | just to be sure... every file in a debian system is managed by the package management |
| 15:04.50 | whadar | ? |
| 15:04.53 | PerfDave | Yunhual: phpbb2 is the generic web forum software you see on many internet sites shortly before they get 0wned. |
| 15:04.53 | stew | whadar: no |
| 15:04.57 | PerfDave | whadar: Most, but not all. |
| 15:05.06 | PerfDave | whadar: Pretty much everything outside /home, /opt and /usr/local is |
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| 15:05.15 | whadar | oh... forgot those... |
| 15:05.26 | whadar | but these are not core system of course |
| 15:05.34 | PerfDave | So you shouldn't install anything outside there if you don't know what you're doing :) |
| 15:06.11 | whadar | but if we are talking bout the system itself, is it all covered? |
| 15:06.26 | PerfDave | whadar: Unless you install something yourself outside of APT, yes. |
| 15:07.17 | abrotman | cast: well .. as long as you get it :) |
| 15:07.25 | stew | whadar: i don't think so |
| 15:08.01 | cast | abrotman: might work out slightly faster...i can download it to server on high speed con, lzma it at some high compression level, then grab it [on 64kbps line for now see :(] |
| 15:08.19 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:09.29 | Yunhual | do you know xoops |
| 15:09.57 | Yunhual | also a generic web site software |
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| 15:10.17 | cast | Yunhual: as i was about to say, running any kind of server is nontrivial. if it gets hacked, and does something illegal, you might get in trouble ;\ |
| 15:10.27 | stew | whadar: i'm pretty sure you'd find files in /etc/ not managed by any package |
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| 15:11.51 | whadar | stew: example? |
| 15:11.58 | PerfDave | or file in /etc/*; do dpkg -S $file; done >/dev/null |
| 15:12.07 | stew | whadar: fstab |
| 15:12.20 | Yunhual | cast, what do you mean. xoops are not secure ?? |
| 15:12.32 | whadar | thanks |
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| 15:13.14 | PerfDave | whadar: Why are you concerned with this, out of interest? |
| 15:13.16 | enouf_ | whadar: also any 'homebrewed' scripts placed in /etc/rc?.d |
| 15:13.57 | enouf_ | er .. how about /etc/hosts.allow|deny |
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| 15:14.58 | cast | Yunhual: i think as a general rule, assume any website running any content management system, to not be very secure, when you find a wiki/forum that hasn't had a major security issue in the last year tell me :) |
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| 15:15.25 | enouf_ | whadar: IOW . many files in /etc/* can be customized .. such as /etc/sudoers |
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| 15:17.05 | PerfDave | cast: My wiki system hasn't had a security issue in the last year! |
| 15:17.33 | cast | PerfDave: really? what's the caveat? |
| 15:17.52 | PerfDave | cast: Well, I don't think anybody's asked me for the source to review... |
| 15:18.06 | PerfDave | And it's only got three users. |
| 15:18.45 | cast | out of curiosity why did you write your own wiki? |
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| 15:21.36 | cast | 'Friday, 08 September 2006, 10:22AM dwpage.php Remote Code Execution Exploit' thought it was one of the better wikis for security too :| |
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| 15:21.49 | fas3r | hi all |
| 15:21.55 | fas3r | the sli work on linux ? |
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| 15:24.00 | wols | fas3r: ask nvidia |
| 15:24.07 | wols | but yes it will work according to them |
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| 15:24.43 | fas3r | oki thanks wols i didn't know they are #nvidia chan ^^ |
| 15:25.33 | wols | not the chan. the company |
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| 15:32.16 | Dunedan | I wanna try to wake up my desktop pc with wake-on-lan via etherwake. But when I ran etherwake from my laptop I got: "sendto: Network is down". But the network is up. Some hints where the problem could be? |
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| 15:32.49 | orangey | hey all! |
| 15:33.02 | PerfDave | Dunedan: Does your desktop NIC support WOL, and do you have the WOL cable connected between the NIC and the motherboard, and is it enabled in the BIOS? |
| 15:33.05 | orangey | is there a default imap daemon (SSL-capable) with debian? |
| 15:33.07 | k31th | Do you guys use logcheck?? if so how do i enable it to email me daily instead of every hour... |
| 15:33.33 | PerfDave | orangey: There isn't one installed by default, no. There might be a "mail server" task in the installer which installs one perhaps, I don't know |
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| 15:34.22 | Dunedan | PerfDave: Should be verything right. I activated wol via ethtool, because there's no option in the BIOS (but the networkchip supports it). Cable is also plugged in. I get the same message when my desktop pc is running. |
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| 15:34.57 | rosen37_ | Please I have my /var full , is it possible to add a hd and put the /var on 2 disque? |
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| 15:35.08 | rosen37_ | on 2 hd |
| 15:35.14 | orangey | PerfDave: ah.. |
| 15:35.15 | k31th | Yes... |
| 15:35.22 | PerfDave | rosen37_: Yes, using RAID or LVM |
| 15:35.32 | k31th | you could copy it and then make a sym link to var on the second disk... |
| 15:35.43 | orangey | PerfDave: hmm ; ) |
| 15:35.44 | PerfDave | rosen37_: Better to work out and fix why it's full in the first place though |
| 15:35.53 | k31th | of corse. |
| 15:35.55 | orangey | in that case, I'm trying to figure out which imapd (with SSL) server i'm using.. |
| 15:36.03 | orangey | how do I find out which package I installed? |
| 15:36.04 | k31th | du -h |
| 15:36.06 | orangey | aptitude search? |
| 15:36.09 | k31th | ummm. |
| 15:36.28 | PerfDave | orangey: dpkg -L *imap* |
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| 15:36.41 | cast | wtf...reading mobo manual looking for WOL section. it says i can turn off my computer, and have it turn on and start playing an audio cd like an alarm clock |
| 15:36.48 | rosen37_ | PerfDave: log and I can t delete it ( syslog fw) |
| 15:36.56 | cydork | k31th: edit the cron entry |
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| 15:37.10 | k31th | cydork, thanks :D |
| 15:37.41 | k31th | Out of interest what irc clients do you guys use? |
| 15:37.47 | orangey | hmmm. |
| 15:37.51 | orangey | what's dovecot? |
| 15:37.54 | k31th | imap |
| 15:37.56 | orangey | it sounds like it's been installed by default.. |
| 15:37.56 | Linux_Jones | bitch x |
| 15:38.04 | orangey | k31th: is it better than uw-imapd? |
| 15:38.11 | k31th | orangey, Yes |
| 15:38.16 | k31th | uw sucks :p |
| 15:38.26 | k31th | dovecot is decent. |
| 15:38.31 | orangey | k31th: why? |
| 15:38.39 | k31th | faster uses maildir etc |
| 15:39.01 | PerfDave | k31th: I use irssi for IRC, it's teh One True Client. I have been known to use Konversation just to prove that I can handle a GUI. |
| 15:39.34 | k31th | Yeah, iv used irssi for years... but thought id try a gui to manage things easier |
| 15:39.45 | k31th | However seems to more of a pain tbh... |
| 15:40.16 | cydork | k31th: irssi rocks ! (try dictcomple.pl :P) |
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| 15:42.07 | k31th | cydork, wat is that ? |
| 15:42.33 | h3sp4wn | The only issue I have with irssi is (alt + arrow doesn't work - under xterm - I need to have some vt100 translations I guess but I cannot get them to work (either that or apply the mandrake patch but I am reluctant to do that) |
| 15:43.04 | PerfDave | k31th: I did a quick spin round all the GUI clients, Konversation is the only vaguely usable one and it's pretty basic. |
| 15:43.10 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: Use Konsole ;) |
| 15:43.40 | h3sp4wn | PerfDave: xterm is fine for what I need (with screen) |
| 15:43.41 | k31th | i noticed alt + 1 -10 changes tabs in gnome terminal iirc |
| 15:43.49 | k31th | 1-9 even |
| 15:44.03 | k31th | brb |
| 15:44.08 | h3sp4wn | same in xterm with meta sends escape |
| 15:44.08 | possie | are there redundant firewall solutions in linux that are statefull, so that if one of my routesr (running iptables) crashes that another will takeover its' job? |
| 15:44.12 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: Well, if you used Konsole, then alt + arrow would work in irssi in screen :) |
| 15:44.13 | cydork | k31th: a script which lets you complete words based on a dict :P |
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| 15:45.03 | h3sp4wn | PerfDave: It would if I used rxvt also but the xrender acceleration that xterm has and the fact the fonts look nicer (exa) means I don't want to switch |
| 15:45.29 | PerfDave | h3sp4wn: Fair enough. I'm quite happy with Konsole myself, I find the fonts much easier to configure. |
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| 15:45.44 | k31th | Back :p |
| 15:46.42 | RvGaTe | lightning speed |
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| 15:47.59 | k31th | haha |
| 15:48.09 | h3sp4wn | possie: I am not sure whether iptables handles that but I know for a fact openbsd pf does |
| 15:48.25 | RvGaTe | lets all give Tim a warm welcome when he gets in this channel... he's a 11 year old kid who started t use debian this weekend becouse i use it aswel :P |
| 15:48.31 | h3sp4wn | possie: (including keeping any already open connections going) |
| 15:48.50 | ac | How do I get IP Aliasing into my running 2.6 kernel? I don't know if it's already in a stock 2.6 kernel or if I gotta install it with module-assistant or something |
| 15:49.07 | cydork | !tell ac about ipalias |
| 15:49.18 | stew | ac: its already included in stock kernels |
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| 15:49.31 | RvGaTe | tim_, ! :) |
| 15:49.33 | stew | ac: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz has examples |
| 15:49.36 | tim_ | RVgate:P |
| 15:49.44 | tim_ | thnx man |
| 15:49.47 | RvGaTe | tim_, please note that this channel is english only |
| 15:49.52 | possie | h3sp4wn, thats what i'm looking for indeed, since i've got this DMZ router running linux atm, which is becoming more and more critical to our environment i'm looking for ways to make it redundant, i could use VRRP, and sync the iptables rules constantly (hoping that could be done automatically as well actually), but then i would also like to have my connection stay open |
| 15:50.23 | RvGaTe | tim_, but if you have any question regarding linux... you can ask it in here |
| 15:50.25 | ac | stew: great! thanks |
| 15:50.30 | tim_ | oke thnx man:P |
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| 15:50.49 | sinizzl | hmm |
| 15:50.53 | sinizzl | ubuntu r0x0r3rz |
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| 15:51.01 | stew | sinizzl: please keep it on-topic |
| 15:51.49 | k31th | How do you guys auto connect to channels / networks _ auth with nickserv automatically ? |
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| 15:51.57 | k31th | on startup of irssi |
| 15:52.13 | Ronin | k31th: www.irssi.org documentatino |
| 15:52.24 | cydork | k31th: man irssi :) |
| 15:52.28 | stew | k31th: http://irssi.org/documentation/startup |
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| 15:52.42 | h3sp4wn | possie: I would use openbsd in that case (but I am not sure its definately inpossible with iptables) http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/carp.html |
| 15:53.01 | k31th | Yeah i read that and it tells me to do /NETWORK ADD irc.freenode.net |
| 15:53.16 | k31th | but my client says NETWORK command not found... |
| 15:53.25 | RvGaTe | k31th, what client ? |
| 15:53.30 | Ronin | then keep reading, network is old iirc |
| 15:53.37 | k31th | irssi |
| 15:53.43 | cydork | possie: or you can use heartbeat |
| 15:54.02 | k31th | http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup#c3 |
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| 15:54.04 | Ronin | (NOTE: use /IRCNET with 0.8.9 and older.) H |
| 15:55.21 | k31th | ahh debian has the old version |
| 15:55.24 | k31th | my bad... |
| 15:55.51 | possie | cydork, hearbeat will only monitor if the other node is dead right? |
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| 15:57.55 | cydork | possie: yep but which can be used to provide redundancy. |
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| 15:59.12 | possie | cydork, thing is do, that if i would put my firewall in a redundant setup i need to apply changes to both hosts, which becomes cumbersome i think |
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| 16:01.42 | stew | possie: you could use drbd |
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| 16:02.15 | RvGaTe | tim, welcome back |
| 16:02.24 | possie | stew, that would only sync the files, it will not change the iptables rules |
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| 16:02.34 | possie | stew, right? |
| 16:02.43 | RvGaTe | tim, like i said, for example, type: rvg<tab> |
| 16:02.53 | RvGaTe | tim, it will automaticly complete the nickname |
| 16:02.59 | tim | RvGaTe, |
| 16:03.01 | tim | k |
| 16:03.02 | stew | possie: right, heartbeat / ldirector would reload the rules when the secondary node becomes the router |
| 16:03.04 | tim | thnx man |
| 16:03.34 | possie | stew, ow i don't know about ldirector (is that LVS perhaps?) |
| 16:03.44 | stew | possie: yeah |
| 16:04.16 | possie | stew, ah that might be intrestting indeed, i don't mind having a active/passive setup instead of a active/active |
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| 16:04.57 | PerfDave | cast: "man mkfs.vfat" might tell you |
| 16:05.56 | cydork | possie: also check ultramonkey.org |
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| 16:06.16 | Malagmyr | How can I request an IP address from a DHCP server for my aliased interface eth0:0? I tried running "dhclient eth0:0" but it gives me "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address. Bind socket to interface: No such device" and removes eth0:0 from ifconfig. |
| 16:06.36 | possie | cydork, thanks |
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| 16:08.15 | cast | PerfDave: i got it, mkfs.msdos, was doing aptitude search fat, and mkfs.<TAB><TAB><TAB> and getting annoyed :( |
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| 16:09.38 | PerfDave | Malagmyr: Set up a stanza for it in /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup |
| 16:09.51 | cydork | hmm my syslog is filled with "localhost kernel: parport0: FIFO is stuck" |
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| 16:10.09 | stew | Malagmyr: why not use eth0 for dhcp instead of eth0:0? |
| 16:10.35 | Malagmyr | stew: I need 2 ip addresses, and I need them both from a DHCP server. |
| 16:11.17 | stew | Malagmyr: i don't know that there are any dhcp servers that are going to issue two different leases to the same hardware address |
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| 16:11.51 | Malagmyr | stew: yeah, that might be a problem. anyway I can make a completely virtual nic, like vmware does, with a fake mac address and all? |
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| 16:13.20 | stew | Malagmyr: i dunno. with xen perhaps? |
| 16:13.43 | petemc | or looking at the xen networking scripts |
| 16:14.17 | Malagmyr | trying to find some kind of a manual. someone's got to have needed this before me. |
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| 16:16.32 | k31th | when i instal logcheck for debian... it adds an entry to cron for every hour... whioch cron will this be for ? |
| 16:16.36 | gizmatix | secret |
| 16:16.38 | k31th | cron.hourly ? |
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| 16:16.51 | speedy | could someone tell me the difference between the cyrus packages and the kolab-cyrus packages? |
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| 16:16.53 | eXiSt | hi |
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| 16:17.49 | cydork | k31th: /etc/cron.d/logcheck in etch |
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| 16:17.59 | k31th | 2 * * * * ??? thats every 2 hours? |
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| 16:18.10 | stew | k31th: once an hour |
| 16:18.13 | k31th | cydork: I found it there to |
| 16:18.14 | cydork | k31th: man 5 crontab |
| 16:18.18 | k31th | okie |
| 16:18.24 | cydork | k31th: ;) |
| 16:18.29 | obstfliege | hallo! |
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| 16:19.39 | JohnGH | I'm trying to build Fluxbox, and ./configure is looking for libXt.so - is that the same thing as /usr/lib/libXt.so.6.0.0, or is that something else? |
| 16:19.59 | stew | JohnGH: apt-get build-dep fluxbox |
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| 16:20.11 | Ronin | JohnGH: you dont like apt-get install fluxbox? |
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| 16:21.04 | JohnGH | Ronin: I'm having some troubles with Fluxbox via NX and the peeps on #fluxbox have asked me to install the latest version (1.0rc2) |
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| 16:21.35 | JohnGH | thanks stew |
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| 16:22.43 | k31th | cydork: seems i can just do @daily with cron :p |
| 16:23.51 | JohnGH | Ronin: apt-get install only offers me 0.9.14-1.2 or 0.9.15.1+1.0rc0-1 |
| 16:24.05 | cydork | k31th: yep :) |
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| 16:28.55 | strider | is there a compatibility issue with lvm and grub? |
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| 16:30.58 | stew | strider: grub doesn't know anything about lvm, if you want to boot lvm, you have to have a non-lvm /boot partition |
| 16:33.07 | strider | stew: then, is that the reason why the netinst does not offer grub as an option then? |
| 16:33.39 | strider | it just gave lilo as an option, which works without needing a separate /boot. |
| 16:33.53 | stew | strider: is your /boot on lvm? |
| 16:33.58 | strider | yes |
| 16:34.09 | stew | strider: then yes. probably. normally a netinst would offer grub |
| 16:34.43 | strider | stew: could be a bug with it. I think the cd I had was atleast about a month or so old. |
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| 16:35.12 | stew | strider: doesn't sound like a bug |
| 16:35.14 | cydork | strider: i dont think it's a bug. |
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| 16:37.01 | strider | well, I'll try with a separate /boot then. Thanks for clarifying. |
| 16:38.01 | PerfDave | Hmm, I wonder whether it'd be feasible to build grub with LVM support |
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| 16:41.22 | cydork | PerfDave: http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID |
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| 16:47.04 | PerfDave | cydork: Hmm, there seemst o be some mismatch between upstream + Debian version numbers for grub... |
| 16:47.18 | PerfDave | Oh, there's grub2 in unstable |
| 16:49.23 | cydork | PerfDave: yep |
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| 16:52.49 | Dunedan | ok, again some more facts about my wake-on-lan problem: wol is enabled in BIOS and the port of the onboard network adapter is glowing also when the pc is switched off. The network card is set to recognize wol before shutdown. But it isn't working. And I've no idea why. |
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| 16:54.34 | jair | hello guys, there is a way i can add an static route to the debian system correct? |
| 16:54.46 | jair | I will be checking on the good I think i saw something about it. |
| 16:54.59 | cydork | jair: man interfaces |
| 16:55.02 | stew | jair: yes, add it in a "up" line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:55.06 | jair | but I want to leave the route permanent each time the system reboots |
| 16:55.35 | laurens__ | so, bring your interface up automagically as well? |
| 16:55.47 | laurens__ | Your route isn't very useful without an interface :-) |
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| 16:57.23 | jair | cydork: Thank you |
| 16:57.29 | jair | stew: thanks |
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| 16:59.50 | RichiH | hrm, where would you guys put your ssh-agent stuff? le internet suggests .xsession, but i want it on my ttys as well, of course. then there is my zshrc, but that ould call the thing every time |
| 16:59.52 | RichiH | suggestions? |
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| 17:00.07 | stew | RichiH: do you use a dm? |
| 17:00.20 | RichiH | syes |
| 17:00.24 | RichiH | but no always |
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| 17:00.51 | stew | RichiH: its started in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xfree86-common_ssh-agent |
| 17:01.08 | stew | RichiH: not sure if that stuff happens with startx |
| 17:01.35 | RichiH | stew: mmk |
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| 17:02.25 | stew | RichiH: actually, according to the Xsession manpage, it looks like that should happen from startx as well |
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| 17:04.29 | RichiH | stew: hmm, ok. i can live with that. even when i go cli only, X is started in the background |
| 17:05.01 | stew | RichiH: oh, well the env variables setup by ssh-agent would only be available in the X environment |
| 17:05.47 | RichiH | stew: ah, yes, now that you mention it, that was teh initial reason why i asked in here |
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| 17:07.06 | Malagmyr | I'm tailing a critical log file, and I want the machine to run "beep" every time there's a new line. How can I do that? |
| 17:07.20 | Eulex | how often does the btw sync with new messages/entries? |
| 17:07.56 | Eulex | *bts |
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| 17:10.02 | stew | Malagmyr: tail -f /path/to/logfile | while read a ; do printf "$a\a" ; done |
| 17:10.13 | myren | how do i get screen to use my mousewheel? |
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| 17:11.15 | stew | Malagmyr: actually you'd probably want "$a\a\n" |
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| 17:13.32 | myren | FFRAAAKK |
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| 17:14.37 | DevilChaos | hello |
| 17:14.54 | wisdom | Windows is like a closet where everything is thrown in chaoiticly. Linux is like the obsessive compulsive cleaner who has everything stored and tucked away neatly. |
| 17:15.08 | Malagmyr | stew: cool! can one make it do something per character too? like sleep? to simulate a slow connection like they've always got in the movies? just curious... |
| 17:15.32 | DevilChaos | anyone tell me how i can open .7z archives ? will gun zip do? |
| 17:15.34 | stew | Malagmyr: sure |
| 17:15.48 | thelostbutler | DevilChaos: do you mean bz ? |
| 17:15.49 | valdyn | DevilChaos: apt-get install p7zip |
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| 17:16.02 | myren | dpkg: emit curses |
| 17:16.06 | valdyn | DevilChaos: the executable is 7z |
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| 17:16.28 | DevilChaos | ok ill give it a shot thanks valdyn :) |
| 17:16.41 | thelostbutler | interesting i didn't know that there was a compression utility called p7zip .. hmmn |
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| 17:17.13 | valdyn | Eulex: its pretty fast |
| 17:17.25 | valdyn | Eulex: quite as much as mail usually is |
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| 17:18.23 | valdyn | thelostbutler: its 1 tool for about all compression formats, though not completely working for rar for instance |
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| 17:19.26 | Eulex | valdyn, heh, ok |
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| 17:20.34 | thelostbutler | valdyn: interesting. i was checking out what apt-cache had to say about that package. is it something like a frontend for various compression utilities or natively implements all of the compression algo's ? |
| 17:20.51 | Malagmyr | stew: I'm trying "while read -n 1 c; do printf "$c"; done", but then it will not print newlines. what can I do? |
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| 17:22.00 | valdyn | thelostbutler: its not a frontend |
| 17:22.23 | valdyn | thelostbutler: the full version seems to be the p7zip-full package now |
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| 17:22.50 | DevilChaos | you get both |
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| 17:22.55 | DevilChaos | p7zip is dependant on the full .deb |
| 17:23.21 | DevilChaos | good morning what time is it where you stay? |
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| 17:23.49 | DevilChaos | its about 530pm here in uk |
| 17:23.53 | valdyn | DevilChaos: my p7zip Recommends: p7zip-full |
| 17:24.28 | DevilChaos | valdyn: yup yup |
| 17:24.36 | myren | whats the termcapinfo identifier for urxvt? |
| 17:24.42 | piper69 | DevilChaos: 9:25 |
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| 17:24.55 | myren | theres like xtermcapinfo rxvt|xterm|putty|.... |
| 17:25.00 | myren | but i dont know what urxvt's id is |
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| 17:25.31 | DevilChaos | exellent so your just up then piper69 |
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| 17:25.42 | aubergine | hi |
| 17:25.55 | piper69 | DevilChaos: yep |
| 17:25.57 | piper69 | brb |
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| 17:26.11 | aubergine | how can i "cat" files in different directory rekursive? |
| 17:26.40 | valdyn | aubergine: find | cat |
| 17:26.47 | valdyn | aubergine: find | xargs cat |
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| 17:27.55 | valdyn | aubergine: or its to many for a command line: find -exec cat "{}" ";" |
| 17:28.18 | aubergine | thx |
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| 17:28.53 | aubergine | can you explain this: "{}" ";" please |
| 17:29.06 | aubergine | it works fine |
| 17:29.11 | aubergine | but i dont understand |
| 17:29.41 | ivorw | aubergine: {} gets the filename substituted by find |
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| 17:30.52 | ivorw | ";" marks the end of the command |
| 17:30.52 | DevilChaos | valdyn: i cant get the p7zip to extract the file/s p7zip -d /dir/etc/etc/etc unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 17:30.53 | aubergine | ah ok thx |
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| 17:31.56 | valdyn | DevilChaos: 7z x file.7z |
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| 17:36.00 | DevilChaos | valdyn: ok so i had a file.7z.001 and now it has file.7z what do i do with it now? |
| 17:36.27 | DevilChaos | sorry should have said it was a split archive |
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| 17:37.56 | valdyn | DevilChaos: filenames make it look like it was split after archiving not split by 7z, so just maybe you need to cat file.7z.001 file.7z.002 ... > file.7z |
| 17:38.46 | DevilChaos | is that like merging them into one then i havent come across it split like this before |
| 17:39.17 | valdyn | DevilChaos: yes , no idea |
| 17:39.32 | DevilChaos | ok ill see |
| 17:39.35 | DevilChaos | thanks |
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| 17:40.47 | Nwallins | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1 ... is this the same as 'no public key' ? |
| 17:41.11 | valdyn | Nwallins: yep |
| 17:42.28 | Nwallins | I went thru the 2006 / etch key process already, a while back |
| 17:42.37 | cydork | Nwallins: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 17:42.44 | Nwallins | here goes... thanks |
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| 17:44.07 | Nwallins | cydork: all set, thanks |
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| 17:47.06 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 17:47.06 | dpkg | 12:13 < dottedquad> alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
| 17:47.17 | amphi | heh |
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| 17:52.20 | tim_ | how i can install my driver for games??? |
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| 17:53.10 | cyzie | anyone know what dbase (dbf) file is ? |
| 17:53.44 | petemc | !dbf |
| 17:53.44 | dpkg | from memory, dbf is an xbase manipulation package. [non-free] |
| 17:54.25 | jelly-home | cydork: dbase file is a dbase file! A popular MS-DOS era database. |
| 17:54.36 | cydork | cyzie: dbf is file used by dbase |
| 17:54.42 | thelostbutler | tim_: what kind of graphics card do you have ? |
| 17:54.47 | jelly-home | cy blah |
| 17:54.57 | jelly-home | cydork: sorry |
| 17:55.06 | cydork | jelly-home: no problem :) |
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| 17:57.17 | buscon | Hi, what do I need to play ape audio files? |
| 17:57.28 | tim_ | no nexuis |
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| 17:57.41 | tim_ | nvidia |
| 17:58.11 | buggarage | buscon: monkeyplayer :)= |
| 17:58.16 | buggarage | lol |
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| 17:58.38 | aadil | buggarage, is that a smiley with a goatee u just did? |
| 17:58.42 | aadil | :d |
| 17:59.17 | buscon | buggarage, where do I download it? :P |
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| 18:00.01 | buggarage | aadil: nope it reminds me of my teeth before i did byte marmor |
| 18:00.20 | aadil | :) |
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| 18:00.29 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 18:00.34 | inabed | is "autofs" as described http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 the correct way to get automounting of usb disks in etch? |
| 18:00.47 | buggarage | aadil: they got shortened by that procedure by accident |
| 18:01.01 | stew | inabed: there is also gnome-volume-manager if you are a gnome user and ivman if not |
| 18:01.02 | Slaughter | how could i know if my kernel support QoS with HTB? |
| 18:01.04 | aadil | how short? |
| 18:01.06 | aadil | got a pic? |
| 18:01.11 | aadil | actually, no |
| 18:01.15 | aadil | i pass |
| 18:01.16 | aadil | :) |
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| 18:01.37 | buggarage | lol |
| 18:01.43 | stew | Slaughter: grep HTB /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 18:01.54 | Varange | how do I upgrade to the latest kernel? |
| 18:02.07 | Slaughter | CONFIG_NET_SCH_HTB=m |
| 18:02.17 | Slaughter | is it GOOD??? |
| 18:02.24 | stew | Slaughter: yes |
| 18:02.25 | cydork | Slaughter: yes |
| 18:02.33 | stew | Varange: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:02.41 | Slaughter | great! |
| 18:02.52 | Varange | 2.6.8.3-686 |
| 18:02.58 | Varange | is that the latest? |
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| 18:03.11 | stew | Varange: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:03.16 | stew | Varange: stable? |
| 18:03.26 | Varange | stew, 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 18:03.31 | Varange | stable |
| 18:03.48 | stew | Varange: what version of kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 do you have installed? |
| 18:03.57 | Varange | no idea |
| 18:04.35 | Varange | is this one fairly recent? |
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| 18:04.59 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 18:05.00 | stew | Varange: apt-get |
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| 18:05.02 | stew | Varange: err |
| 18:05.07 | stew | Varange: /msg dpkg security ; make sure you have a security source setup, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 18:05.18 | Varange | thanks |
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| 18:05.31 | Nwallins | I am trying to use smlnj package on etch. but this package only exists in stable and unstable. why is that? and which should i try to use? |
| 18:05.34 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with iceweasel and java: java pages haven't got unuseable buttons :( |
| 18:05.40 | Mazingaro | sorry |
| 18:05.46 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with iceweasel and java: java pages have unuseable buttons :( |
| 18:06.15 | stew | Varange: what version does "apt-cache policy kernel-iamge-2.6.8-3-686" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 18:06.30 | Nwallins | s/iamge/image |
| 18:06.35 | stew | yes |
| 18:06.44 | stew | Varange: what version does "apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686" say for "Installed:" ? |
| 18:06.50 | Varange | 2.6.8-16sarge5 |
| 18:07.04 | stew | Varange: then that is ou of date. -16sarge6 was released this weekend |
| 18:07.12 | jelly-home | Nwallins: probably the one from unstable |
| 18:07.13 | Varange | ahhh |
| 18:07.21 | Varange | so it's only one release old? |
| 18:07.27 | Varange | that's ok then |
| 18:07.30 | Varange | thanks stew |
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| 18:07.36 | Varange | and bye. |
| 18:07.41 | Nwallins | jelly-home: any idea why there is no testing package? |
| 18:07.41 | tim_ | how i can play nexuis case now hi is not best cause i dont have driver so how i can install it |
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| 18:07.56 | jelly-home | !why is smlnj not in testing |
| 18:07.56 | dpkg | smlnj is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=smlnj |
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| 18:09.08 | jelly-home | Nwallins: the link above says the reason is it hasn't been built yet on powerpc ... which probably doesn't concern you. |
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| 18:09.44 | Nwallins | jelly-home: yup. I'll give unstable a whirl. thanks |
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| 18:10.23 | jelly-home | Nwallins: try installing just this one package from unstable, then remove it from sources.list (or set up pinning if you know how) |
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| 18:12.01 | Nwallins | jelly-home: I've done the former... it ain't broke... ;) |
| 18:12.35 | jelly-home | Nwallins: yeah... it's been on hold for some time. "684 days old (needed 10 days)" |
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| 18:15.36 | inabed | are the instructions here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 good for setting up automounting of usb devices? |
| 18:16.08 | stew | inabed: do you use gnome? |
| 18:16.35 | piper69 | can someone please guide me on what i should do, I have hosted a website with Godaddy. i have Debian box at home and i was wondering if possable i can have parts of my site e.g FORUM to be directed to my Debian box? |
| 18:17.18 | rahul | piper69: set up your dns to point where you want it to |
| 18:17.49 | piper69 | rahul: from the site or my box |
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| 18:18.05 | rahul | piper69: whoever is the dns server |
| 18:18.09 | PerfDave | piper69: Probably, depending on your ISP. However, hosting a forum will make you liable to attacks from hackers, so be sure you know what you're doing. |
| 18:18.52 | piper69 | PerfDave: thats why i am here , so i can get your expertice advice |
| 18:18.56 | piper69 | :) |
| 18:19.13 | PerfDave | piper69: My expert advice is "don't run your webforum on your home Debian box" :) |
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| 18:19.19 | Nwallins | :) |
| 18:19.33 | neoalex | hey guys, how can I run something in background |
| 18:19.36 | Nwallins | > Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry mai/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 18:19.46 | piper69 | PerfDave: do you mind if i asked why is that? |
| 18:19.47 | Nwallins | after apt-get update |
| 18:19.50 | stew | piper69: are you saying you want some of the content of the website hosted one place ans some on your debian box? |
| 18:19.52 | PerfDave | neoalex: screen, nohup, or "foo &" |
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| 18:20.03 | piper69 | stew: yes |
| 18:20.03 | PerfDave | piper69: Because hosting a forum will make you liable to attacks from hackers. |
| 18:20.07 | jair | stew: does this looks like right to you? http://rafb.net/paste/results/5i17HV96.html |
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| 18:20.27 | neoalex | PerfDave, nohup waits for an enter after I run the command |
| 18:20.29 | stew | piper69: you'd have to make the forums a different hostname, like forums.yourdomain.com |
| 18:20.32 | penguin | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:20.33 | penguin | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 18:20.33 | penguin | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 18:20.33 | penguin | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 18:20.38 | jair | is this the right way to do the route static on debian sarge? ->http://rafb.net/paste/results/5i17HV96.html |
| 18:21.04 | Nwallins | penguin: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 18:21.14 | PerfDave | neoalex: What's the command? |
| 18:21.15 | piper69 | PerfDave: what are they going to hack , people disccusions?! |
| 18:21.21 | PerfDave | piper69: Your machine |
| 18:21.26 | penguin | Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:21.26 | penguin | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 18:21.26 | penguin | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 18:21.31 | Dheeraj_k | hi is it true that latest version of kernel has both read/write support for ntfs? |
| 18:21.31 | neoalex | it's a program that waits for keys basically |
| 18:21.46 | penguin | What is going on here after running update? |
| 18:21.50 | Nwallins | penguin: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 18:21.57 | stew | penguin: /topic |
| 18:22.00 | piper69 | stew: you are saying i should get a host just for my forum? do i have to pay for that ? |
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| 18:22.20 | stew | jair: yes, however, you could remove the network/broadcast/down lines, none of those three are doing anything |
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| 18:22.51 | PerfDave | piper69: It's pretty obvious from the questions you're asking that this is a bad idea. Start with reading about security, then maybe the Debian Security HOWTO and FAQ, the Apache security documentation, and so on. |
| 18:22.57 | Dheeraj_k | i just installed latest kernel but still not able to write any thing in ntfs drive:) |
| 18:23.01 | penguin | msg dpkg no public key |
| 18:23.06 | neoalex | PerfDave, running it with & worked |
| 18:23.09 | neoalex | thanks for that tip |
| 18:23.20 | stew | piper69: no, i'm saying if you have someone hosting some of your site, and you want to host forums on some other box, its going to have to be a separate dns entry |
| 18:23.38 | PerfDave | neoalex: Right up until you try to log out |
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| 18:23.54 | jelly-home | !sarge 2.6.19 |
| 18:24.05 | jelly-home | oh well, one can only hope |
| 18:24.09 | jelly-home | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 18:24.09 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 18:24.24 | jair | stew: the lines network and broadcast can be deleted then? |
| 18:24.33 | jair | the rest looks good? |
| 18:24.50 | PerfDave | Dheeraj_k: I don't think writeable NTFS support is in the upstream Linux kernel, because it depends on non-Free software. |
| 18:24.54 | stew | jair: yes, and down can be deleted, the route will go away when the interface goes away anyway |
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| 18:25.00 | piper69 | PerfDave: fair enough |
| 18:25.14 | jair | so i guess that the other line the one that say "down" will remove the route when the machine restart correct? |
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| 18:25.16 | jelly-home | PerfDave: say what? |
| 18:25.17 | piper69 | stew: i am alittle confuse, |
| 18:25.28 | jair | correct |
| 18:25.28 | Antok | hi! |
| 18:25.30 | neoalex | ummm... damn... well I need it to run it always |
| 18:25.31 | Antok | the order in the bootup scripts is:checkroot before of lvm, it would be possible run it after of lvm? In addition I would set up swap over lvm too |
| 18:25.37 | jair | stew: thanks so much |
| 18:25.40 | PerfDave | neoalex: Then screen is probablhy what you want. |
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| 18:26.10 | neoalex | and I need to automatically start it at boot too |
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| 18:26.30 | jelly-home | Dheeraj_k: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g ... but ntfs-3g is a work in progress... HAVE BACKUPS |
| 18:26.59 | penguin | What is the key for anyway? |
| 18:27.10 | PerfDave | neoalex: What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 18:27.39 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Say what what? |
| 18:27.59 | penguin | So the key stored in your computer needs to match the one on the server? |
| 18:28.07 | penguin | How does this work? |
| 18:28.24 | jelly-home | PerfDave: oh, sorry, the "ntfs driver depends on non-free so that's why it isn't in the kernel tree" |
| 18:29.05 | neoalex | PerfDave, got it ./command & disown |
| 18:29.16 | neoalex | works even after I logoff |
| 18:29.25 | jelly-home | PerfDave: sounds strange... what non-free software does it depend on? ntfs-progs (libntfs) is AFAICT free. |
| 18:29.44 | Dheeraj_k | <PerfDave>: actually here http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27942&page=2 1 guy told me that latest version of kernel has write support |
| 18:29.46 | neoalex | now where would I put this in a script so that it starts at boot? |
| 18:30.17 | Nwallins | any help with apt-get update? W: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org testing/updates/mai Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_mai_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 18:30.19 | PerfDave | neoalex: Tell me what you're trying to do? |
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| 18:30.33 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Hmm, I thought that all the usable NTFS stuff wrapped around the Windows DLL? |
| 18:30.37 | jelly-home | neoalex: an easy, dirty way is to create /etc/rc.boot and put the script in there. |
| 18:30.44 | stew | Nwallins: there is no "mai" repository, only a "main", fix sources.list |
| 18:30.49 | Nwallins | heh |
| 18:31.07 | neoalex | can't I put it in init.d somewhere? |
| 18:31.19 | jelly-home | PerfDave: nope, current state of the art is a devel version of libntfs ("ntfs-3g") used with fuse. |
| 18:31.28 | neoalex | I'm trying to run a program that turns up and down volume |
| 18:31.33 | neoalex | using a small keypad |
| 18:31.44 | neoalex | connected to a DIO port on an ARM embedded device |
| 18:31.50 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Which doesn't use any of the Windows code at all? |
| 18:31.59 | jelly-home | PerfDave: Correct. |
| 18:32.17 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Fair enough, I stand corrected |
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| 18:32.54 | PerfDave | There have been GPL-licensed wrappers for proprietary code before. |
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| 18:33.43 | Dheeraj_k | <jelly-home> if libntfs is free than can we expect ntfs write support in future release of kernel? |
| 18:33.47 | jelly-home | PerfDave: there was that captive-ntfs hack that used pieces of wine, ReactorOS and windows dlls, yes |
| 18:34.27 | javaJake | Is there a way to make NetworkManager use one keyring for all users, instead of making a new one for each new user? |
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| 18:35.32 | jelly-home | Dheeraj_k: Dunno... as it is now, you don't need support in kernel at all - just use ntfs-3g |
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| 18:36.34 | PerfDave | jelly-home: There were a few of them IIRC. Never used NTFS myself though. |
| 18:36.36 | jelly-home | Dheeraj_k: ... the only thing needed from kernel is fuse, and it's been available in vanilla kernels since 2.6.15 |
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| 18:37.14 | tim_ | i need to install nvidia driver how i do that????...??? |
| 18:37.15 | jelly-home | PerfDave: could be, I never tried the commercial ones. |
| 18:37.22 | PerfDave | tim_: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:37.53 | christl_s | anyone experienced problems with the mysql-db lately when upgrading mantis to 1.0.6-1. it seems the dbconfig-common script did not update the new DB-scheme? i'm missing a table in 1.0.6-1, so i guess the script was never executed. |
| 18:37.54 | PerfDave | (warning, has been known to contain root holes) |
| 18:38.17 | christl_s | if so, where can i find help on this issue? |
| 18:38.48 | PerfDave | christl_s: Did you install mantis from the Debian packages? If so, have you checked the BTS? |
| 18:39.02 | christl_s | yes, from debianpackages. what is BTS? |
| 18:39.08 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 18:39.08 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:39.12 | christl_s | ah |
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| 18:39.27 | christl_s | i googled... but i will have a look at the BTS - thanks PerfDave |
| 18:39.59 | jair | hey guys I know is a command that can restart the network without lost connection I think is something like ifup and ifdown? |
| 18:40.05 | malverian | What is the difference between linux-tree-* and linux-source-* ? Does linux-tree not have debian patches pre-applied? |
| 18:40.16 | cusco | dudes.. last time I installed testing it came with sound out of the box... I could play xmms, mplayer and flash websites all at the same time! |
| 18:40.17 | davis | hello |
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| 18:40.33 | cusco | I didn't install alsa-utils nor anything |
| 18:40.59 | cusco | this time.. there was no sound.. and if I use alsaconf to detect my soundcard... only plays from one place at a time |
| 18:41.13 | piper69 | PerfDave: can you please give me a link for the secuirty doc or the one you think it fits my needs ? |
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| 18:41.54 | davis | my debian server was audited by company security guys. i am using less than 128-bit SSL protocol. How do I fix that? dpkg-reconfigure <various ssl> packages does nothing. |
| 18:41.56 | PerfDave | piper69: http://www.debian.org/ for Debian documentation, http://www.apache.org/ for Apache documentation. |
| 18:42.26 | PerfDave | davis: Please provide more detail. "less than 128-bit SSL protocol" isn't very helpful. |
| 18:42.47 | Dheeraj_k | <jelly-home> thanx for the information :) |
| 18:42.52 | piper69 | PerfDave: thank you sir |
| 18:42.58 | davis | i was told, "web server supports weak SSL encryption Certificates" |
| 18:43.13 | jelly-home | Dheeraj_k: you're welcome |
| 18:43.18 | PerfDave | davis: So you're talking about an HTTPS web server? Is it Apache? |
| 18:43.30 | davis | i guess, but apache-ssl is not installed. |
| 18:43.39 | stew | davis: is apache2 installed? |
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| 18:43.58 | davis | let me look |
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| 18:44.14 | davis | nope its not installed. |
| 18:44.26 | blondie | https://yourhostname/ |
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| 18:45.03 | davis | i am removing the package apache |
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| 18:46.04 | davis | i'll request a new scan. |
| 18:46.07 | davis | many thanks. |
| 18:46.24 | abrotman | davis: maybe they're concerned because the website doesn't force https ? |
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| 18:51.36 | blondie | that was uncalled for. |
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| 18:51.37 | blondie | debhelper: bend over. |
| 18:51.37 | Galga | lol |
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| 18:52.02 | jelly-home | blondie: don't blame the bot for network problems! |
| 18:52.05 | PerfDave | Boing |
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| 18:54.25 | buggarage | waaahhhaaaa that's funny though |
| 18:54.28 | Flimzy | I'm installing Debian on a server with a hardware promise RAID controller set up to mirror. The Debian installer asks me to partition both drives, though. It shows that they're both configured the same (currently with ntfs). Should I configure one of them, and assume that the RAID controller will mirror to the other one? Or does the fact that I can see both drives mean that Linux is not detecting the hardware raid correctly? |
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| 18:54.56 | valdyn | Flimzy: it means that you dont have hardware raid |
| 18:55.12 | Flimzy | valdyn: Well I do "have" hardware RAID... Linux just probably doesn't know it. grr |
| 18:55.16 | PerfDave | Promise controllers aren't really hardware RAID are they? |
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| 18:55.26 | valdyn | PerfDave: promise sells both |
| 18:55.29 | PerfDave | Flimzy: If you had hardware RAID, it would be invisibl to your operating system |
| 18:55.30 | Flimzy | PerfDave: some are, some aren't. |
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| 18:56.13 | jelly-home | PerfDave: those found on motherboards are most probably fakeraid |
| 18:56.13 | valdyn | Flimzy: maybe you deactivated the hardware raid, but if your controller is set to raid the disks and linux sees several, its not hardware raid |
| 18:56.32 | Flimzy | valdyn: the RAID BIOS shows that it's still set up. |
| 18:56.37 | valdyn | Flimzy: but easy to clear this up if you told us which controller that is |
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| 18:56.52 | valdyn | Flimzy: uh or just tell us the prize, hw raid is costly |
| 18:57.20 | Flimzy | the prize? |
| 18:57.31 | jelly-home | Flimzy: (the price of the card) |
| 18:57.38 | Flimzy | It's an onboard card |
| 18:57.40 | Flimzy | on a 1U rack |
| 18:58.01 | Flimzy | Well, I'm assuming so. I haven't opened the box to be sure someone didn't add a PCI card |
| 18:58.04 | jelly-home | Flimzy: try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ and report what driver is used for it |
| 18:58.09 | dotCOMmie | ;;'' |
| 18:58.21 | valdyn | Flimzy: lsmod | grep -i promise |
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| 18:58.37 | Flimzy | It's a PDC20276 |
| 18:58.45 | valdyn | Flimzy: thats software raid |
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| 18:59.20 | Flimzy | bleh |
| 18:59.34 | valdyn | !sata raid |
| 18:59.34 | dpkg | The FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 18:59.38 | valdyn | Flimzy: ^^^ |
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| 19:00.11 | davis | abrotman: its such a big deal to run a webserver here, i had disabled the daemon from starting even though it was installed. |
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| 19:00.17 | Flimzy | maybe I'll just set up software RAID then |
| 19:00.18 | numist | where does the update-grub script figure out what to write for root=/dev/hd?# |
| 19:00.30 | Flimzy | these aren't SATA drives, are they? |
| 19:00.36 | davis | abrotman: now that it is uninstalled hopefully it will pass scan audit. |
| 19:00.51 | jair | hey guys there is a way I can restart the network interface beside restart the system and running "/etc/init.d/networking restart"? |
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| 19:00.58 | jair | using ifup and ifdown? |
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| 19:01.16 | vulture | jair: yes, you could do it with ifup & ifdown.. |
| 19:01.17 | Flimzy | they are PATA |
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| 19:01.20 | cusco | what do you mean restart the network? |
| 19:01.20 | ftp3 | is there a way to chown all files owned by userid 533 to username fred? (for example, if I untarred a huge tar, and some files now show as being owned by userid 533, and some by uid 231 and some by another number, etc.. instead of spending hrs figuring it out, can I just do a bulk change? |
| 19:01.29 | valdyn | Flimzy: how do you know? |
| 19:01.36 | Flimzy | ftp3: man tar |
| 19:02.02 | Flimzy | valdyn: 1) MBFasTrak133 BIOS sounds like UDMA133. 2) the 8-pin ribbon cables running into the drives really don't look like SATA cables :P |
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| 19:02.10 | jair | vulture: will be then ifdown & ifup the command to restart it? |
| 19:02.14 | Flimzy | s/8-pin/80-pin/ |
| 19:02.22 | jair | vulture: I am testing the static route I added to the interface |
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| 19:02.46 | uther_p | using etch/2.6.17-2kernel: anyone using ffmpeg package from unstable having problems with it streaming (asf and mpjpeg specifically)? |
| 19:03.10 | jelly-home | ftp3: is it acceptable to just chown the whole dir? |
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| 19:03.16 | abrotman | davis: hehe .. if they still tell you it's less than 128bit .. it's a scam! |
| 19:03.27 | vulture | jair: you'll need to specify an interface.. pretty sure "man ifup" would tell you that.. |
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| 19:06.40 | yoshio | ftp3: there is the "-R" option to chown that is recursive |
| 19:06.41 | jelly-home | ftp3: if yes -> "chown -R fred:users /some/where". if not -> "find /where/ever -uid 533 -print0 | xargs -0 chown -h fred:users" (or some other group) |
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| 19:07.20 | ftp3 | thank you everyone. I will try your suggestions |
| 19:07.25 | jair | vulture: thank you i will read the man |
| 19:07.35 | karsten | Will etch ship with iceweasel or firefox? |
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| 19:08.31 | Rprp | Hi |
| 19:08.39 | Rprp | Whats the package for python2.4-image ? |
| 19:08.48 | karsten | !tell Rprp about search |
| 19:08.55 | Rprp | i did it already :/ |
| 19:09.06 | karsten | Search harder. |
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| 19:09.23 | Rprp | there is only a python2.3-imaging |
| 19:09.26 | Rprp | but i need 2.4 |
| 19:09.26 | Rprp | :x |
| 19:09.59 | karsten | Rprp: Release? |
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| 19:10.09 | Rprp | E: Package python2.4-imaging has no installation candidate |
| 19:10.14 | karsten | !tell Rprp about backports |
| 19:10.17 | karsten | !tell Rprp about stable |
| 19:10.25 | Rprp | -.- |
| 19:10.30 | Rprp | Cant you tell me the answer? 0-o |
| 19:10.37 | karsten | I did. |
| 19:10.42 | stew | Rprp: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:10.55 | Rprp | er. |
| 19:10.59 | Rprp | Debian Sarge? xD |
| 19:11.06 | jair | stew: this is what i have but I reboot and the route is not there :( http://rafb.net/paste/results/5PFuU633.html |
| 19:11.12 | Rprp | 2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 19:11.44 | jair | vulture: I am trying to add the static route to eth0 for firs time into a server. |
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| 19:12.36 | stew | jair: but eth0 is up? what if you run the route command by hand does it work? |
| 19:12.54 | tottinge | trouble with apt-listbugs server? |
| 19:13.05 | Galga | 12 days of christmas, when do they actually start ? before, after or 6 before and 6 after ? |
| 19:13.06 | karsten | Rprp: You're running stable. Read what dpkg told you about stable. Read what dpkg told you about search (because you clearly didn't search all options, which you're effectively asking us to do on your behalf). Read what dpkg told you about backports. If there _is_ a solution, that's likely it. Otherwise your options are install from source, or upgrade to Etch. |
| 19:13.22 | karsten | Galga: before |
| 19:13.22 | tottinge | Galga: before. |
| 19:13.22 | karsten | Galga: Erm. After. |
| 19:13.27 | Galga | from 13 ? |
| 19:13.34 | Rprp | hm, oke |
| 19:13.41 | karsten | Galga: Allegorically, it's the days following the birth, before the three Wyse Guys showed up. |
| 19:13.43 | yoshio | numist: in my /boot/grub/menu.lst , I have "# kopt=root=/dev/hda5 ro vga=771 acpi=on" - right above it, it says do NOT uncomment - before I didn't have this statement, and everytime aptitude installed a new kernel, my system wouldn't boot, because that line was wrong, pretty annoying until I fixed it |
| 19:13.45 | karsten | Late to the party as always. |
| 19:13.50 | karsten | Galga: ... and OT BTW. |
| 19:13.57 | pickcoder | he said Wyse |
| 19:14.05 | rahul | heh |
| 19:14.07 | karsten | Galga: Period before is called Advent. |
| 19:14.19 | rahul | I prefer DEC Guys. |
| 19:14.34 | stew | heh |
| 19:14.36 | karsten | pickcoder: That's a recycled joke I first coined for Nick Petreley many many moons ago. He's a massive thin-client bigot. |
| 19:14.40 | rahul | hrh |
| 19:15.01 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:15.10 | pickcoder | I still like 'em |
| 19:15.14 | Galga | 3 Wyse Guys, any link where i can catch hystory |
| 19:15.19 | pickcoder | until the serial ports and CPUs flake out |
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| 19:16.40 | karsten | pickcoder: Diskless can be very sweet. "Problem" is that commodity x86 HW is sufficiently cheap that dedicated terminal HW pretty much makes no sense. |
| 19:16.58 | pickcoder | karsten: they don't have hard drives... |
| 19:17.08 | pickcoder | that, above all, makes them wonderous |
| 19:17.14 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:17.15 | tim_ | how i install nvidia driver to my debian!!!! |
| 19:17.24 | Flimzy | karsten: terminals tend to be more reliable than pcs |
| 19:17.29 | karsten | pickcoder: You _can_ pull drives out of commodity HW. |
| 19:17.40 | rahul | pickcoder: x86 boxes don't need disks |
| 19:17.45 | pickcoder | then you need lots of ram |
| 19:17.46 | karsten | Flimzy: It's the justification-to-management issue that's a hard sell. |
| 19:17.50 | rahul | pickcoder: why? |
| 19:17.55 | tottinge | Seriously, what is the server for listbugs? I think it's having a seizure. |
| 19:17.56 | pickcoder | RAMdisk? |
| 19:18.01 | karsten | Then again .... |
| 19:18.02 | pickcoder | unless you are net booting |
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| 19:18.27 | pickcoder | but then serial != network |
| 19:18.28 | rahul | pickcoder: sure, you'd probably be net booting, since you're trying to acheieve the same goal as a terminal |
| 19:18.38 | Flimzy | karsten: There's no reason terminals can't be PCs, tho. |
| 19:18.42 | neoalex | guys, I start a bash script in background with & disown but it keeps giving me outputs |
| 19:18.45 | Flimzy | karsten: minus a hard drive, preferably. |
| 19:18.59 | blondie | jelly-home: well if the bot wasn't setting silly limits I would be able to rejoin |
| 19:19.13 | rahul | pickcoder: you could boot off a read-only usb stick |
| 19:19.27 | pickcoder | usb sticks won't last 25 years |
| 19:19.33 | jair | stew: I ran "netstat -rn" and the route did not showed up |
| 19:19.45 | karsten | Flimzy: I'd argue that _having_ an HD buys you something (local cache) at a relatively low cost (HD failure, power, noise), first of which is mitigated by the fact that it's a thin client (zero persistent state, readily swappable). |
| 19:19.50 | pickcoder | especially if they're recycled on and off several times a day |
| 19:20.02 | rahul | jair: what does netstat have to do with routes? |
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| 19:20.19 | rahul | pickcoder: they don't cost enough to need to last 25 years |
| 19:20.25 | karsten | Flimzy: Bigger issue is that volume costs are much lower for x86 HW. |
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| 19:20.29 | jelly-home | blondie: afaict you were able to rejoin... or I'm hallucinating irc users. |
| 19:20.29 | stew | rahul: run netstat -rn |
| 19:20.37 | Flimzy | karsten: Sure. There are pros and cons both ways |
| 19:20.37 | pickcoder | rahul: terminals don't cost that much more and last until the screens burn in |
| 19:20.38 | rahul | eew |
| 19:20.40 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:20.45 | rahul | why would you use netstat to get the routing table? |
| 19:21.00 | rahul | pickcoder: terminals cost less than $10? |
| 19:21.05 | karsten | OK, on an update: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 19:21.16 | Flimzy | karsten: In terms of noise/power, you can get lots of RAM and run a RAMdisk for local cache 'n stuff. |
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| 19:21.19 | pickcoder | if you know where to find them |
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| 19:21.31 | Flimzy | karsten: That may be more upfront cost than an actual HD, tho :) |
| 19:21.39 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. Just curious... Is there a description of what's changed in the latest Sarge kernel? |
| 19:21.42 | karsten | Flimzy: I can buy 120 GB of disk far more cheaply than 120 GB of RAM. |
| 19:21.46 | rahul | pickcoder: another advantage to a PC is that it can be an X terminal, too |
| 19:21.47 | pickcoder | the keyboards cost the most, since they get beat to death |
| 19:21.49 | karsten | ChibaPet: changelog |
| 19:21.53 | Flimzy | karsten: Who needs 120gb of local cache? |
| 19:22.08 | rahul | Flimzy: pr0n browsing stations |
| 19:22.10 | pickcoder | rahul: true, but if you're wanting a green screen environment for efficiency, then GUI is pointless |
| 19:22.10 | jair | rahul: it will show the route what else? |
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| 19:22.13 | blondie | jelly-home: no I was not... I was sent away to -overflow |
| 19:22.14 | ChibaPet | Changelog, sure, but where? |
| 19:22.24 | rahul | jair: what will what else what? |
| 19:22.31 | stew | jair: "route -n" "ip r" |
| 19:22.35 | Flimzy | karsten: If you're just running X terminals, you don't really need a local cache anyway (except for fonts, which can be easily stored in RAM anyway) |
| 19:22.37 | karsten | Flimzy: video editors, audio editors, EDA engineers. |
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| 19:22.42 | rahul | pickcoder: efficiency? |
| 19:22.47 | pickcoder | gah.. I'm not getting into that discussion |
| 19:23.01 | Flimzy | karsten: The debate is so completely situation-specific that it's hard to draw any generalized conclusions anyway. |
| 19:23.22 | karsten | Flimzy: I'm not saying you _can't_ run diskless. I'm just saying that on an HW basis, for many takss, you might was well park the HW in the client. |
| 19:23.23 | rahul | pickcoder: there's nothing wrong with using a graphical command line, imo |
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| 19:24.21 | Flimzy | karsten: Sure. It all depends on what you're doing on the terminal(s) |
| 19:24.21 | karsten | Flimzy: ... minimizing state and state-based overhead/admin is the net win IMO. For some light uses, sure, diskless, X term, would be fine. |
| 19:24.21 | karsten | Flimzy: Damnit, stop agreeing. |
| 19:24.22 | _osh | Anyone who can explain my annoying LVM error? http://pastebin.ca/275704. What can be done about it? |
| 19:24.22 | jair | stew: there is a document in the internet where i can find the exaples for debian sarge to put the route static? |
| 19:24.44 | Flimzy | karsten: Maybe you should get 10gbit ethernet... then your network will be as a fast as your disk I/O, and you can justify diskless workstations and a nice SAN device :P |
| 19:24.46 | ChibaPet | change log on packages.debian.org is missing |
| 19:24.55 | blondie | fgs |
| 19:25.02 | jelly-home | jair: I put them in /etc/network/interfaces, post-up |
| 19:25.12 | karsten | Anyhow, WRT untrusted packages, I've got the following keys, testing/unstable (with stable sources as well): 4F368D5D 2D230C5F 6070D3A1 1F41B907 C28DCC42 1DB114E0 B5F5BBED 34FC6FE5 |
| 19:25.22 | jair | jelly-home: hey :) how are you? |
| 19:25.22 | stew | jair: zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 19:25.27 | jair | stew: thanks |
| 19:25.27 | karsten | Flimzy: We're running ~1400 nodes on Gig-e ATM. |
| 19:25.27 | pickcoder | rahul: what's the point of a GUI command line? |
| 19:25.33 | stew | ChibaPet: did you read the DSA? |
| 19:25.41 | karsten | Flimzy: Filer hotspots are an issue. |
| 19:25.44 | ChibaPet | Looked for one, didn't see it. |
| 19:25.52 | ChibaPet | Didn't see in email or on web site. Looking again. |
| 19:25.57 | Flimzy | karsten: 640k ought to be enough for... |
| 19:26.09 | karsten | !ramsmite Flimzy |
| 19:26.11 | karsten | Feh. |
| 19:26.16 | jelly-home | jair: fine, I guess ... you? |
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| 19:26.37 | ChibaPet | Nothing on http://www.us.debian.org/security/ - is there a more authoritative source? |
| 19:26.38 | rahul | pickcoder: you can click on the results of commands to use them as args for other commands |
| 19:26.49 | _osh | Ramsmite? |
| 19:26.53 | Sebboh | What package contains the utility 'strings' ? |
| 19:27.01 | rahul | pickcoder: like ls /blah/blah/blah, and then you want to mv a file in that list |
| 19:27.07 | karsten | !tell Sebboh about search |
| 19:27.08 | jair | jelly-home: I did this but is not working: http://rafb.net/paste/results/5PFuU633.html |
| 19:27.19 | rahul | pickcoder: mv <click> <type new path> |
| 19:27.23 | jair | jelly-home: this does not work for me yet :( |
| 19:27.45 | rahul | pickcoder: instead of mv /blah/blah/blah/filename ... |
| 19:27.47 | pickcoder | rahul: and that helps data entry people do their jobs faster? |
| 19:27.51 | rahul | pickcoder: yep |
| 19:27.54 | stew | !no when will etch release is <reply> Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 19:27.55 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 19:27.56 | karsten | Sebboh: binutils, FYI. |
| 19:27.56 | ChibaPet | dpkg -S /usr/bin/strings |
| 19:27.56 | pickcoder | ok... |
| 19:27.57 | dpkg | Dingos ate my /usr/bin/strings! |
| 19:27.59 | ChibaPet | binutils: /usr/bin/strings |
| 19:28.07 | Sebboh | karsten, thanks and thanks. |
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| 19:28.23 | rahul | pickcoder: most stuff inovlves searching for something and then using that in another command |
| 19:28.26 | jelly-home | jair: like I said, I put that in post-up, not "up" |
| 19:28.33 | karsten | dpkg: Shut up, stupid bot. |
| 19:28.36 | pickcoder | rahul: studies have been done regarding GUI versus character screen |
| 19:28.59 | karsten | pickcoder: Um. Frequently stupid, biased, studies. |
| 19:29.00 | rahul | pickcoder: I'm not proposing either |
| 19:29.29 | tim_ | how i install a driver into linux |
| 19:29.33 | ChibaPet | Oh. Hm. Mail archives have the DSA. Not on web page yet. I guess I need to see why I didn't get it in email. |
| 19:29.36 | jelly-home | jair: although this is pretty much the same if the manual is to be believed |
| 19:29.42 | karsten | tim_: man modprobe |
| 19:29.46 | karsten | tim_: man 5 modules |
| 19:30.03 | cydork | tim_: which driver? |
| 19:30.24 | numist | yoshio: so the presence of that comment is the key? excellent notion, I shall test |
| 19:30.49 | _osh | Re-ask, but with a working link. Anyone who can explain this error? http://pastebin.ca/275704 What can be done about it? |
| 19:30.50 | PupenoR | Where I work most computers have been neglected, abandoned, and now they have a ton of missing upgrades. We are having a funny behaviour in one of the computers where apache consumes 100% of the CPU, I recommend upgrading because there are apache and php pending upgrades and my boss replies: "Ok, we'll make the upgrade out of the business hours so we can roll it back if it doesn't work" to which I reply that rolling out a backup |
| 19:30.50 | PupenoR | requires lots of apt voodoo... his reply is that we now need to make an image of the hard disk, with dd (remotely, which makes things harder)... any ideas what to do here ? I would just upgrade... but people comming from the Windows world are afraid of upgrades or something, I don't understand. |
| 19:30.50 | jair | jelly-home: right |
| 19:30.50 | abrotman | noone told me etch froze! |
| 19:30.57 | jair | jelly-home: I was adding at the end something like: metric 1 |
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| 19:30.58 | pickcoder | it did? |
| 19:31.02 | jair | but I removed that |
| 19:31.12 | jair | so now i will be restarting it again |
| 19:31.14 | abrotman | http://times.debian.net/1038-Etch-frozen |
| 19:31.20 | jair | it shoould work now |
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| 19:31.30 | stew | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce ; click on subscribe |
| 19:31.50 | karsten | PupenoR: Rolling back an update requires backups |
| 19:31.55 | stew | jair: the linux kernel ignores those metrics anyway |
| 19:32.00 | inabed | is it ok to delete /var/log/installer? |
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| 19:32.18 | Flimzy | PupenoR: Making a live backup with dd is pretty risky. |
| 19:32.31 | PupenoR | Flimzy: I agree. |
| 19:32.39 | jelly-home | stew: kernel is kind of buggy here... you can have two default routes with same metric. This should not happen |
| 19:32.45 | Flimzy | PupenoR: You should use LVM so you can take a snapshot :) |
| 19:32.50 | karsten | PupenoR: I'd simply use tar (generally more efficient than dd), or rsync. Having an external, networked, or as a last option, internal disk of equal or greater capacity to your fixed disk should be reasonable. Rsync is nother option. |
| 19:32.53 | Flimzy | PupenoR: However that's not an option for ya right now |
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| 19:33.02 | karsten | !tell jokker_fr about away |
| 19:33.03 | abrotman | stew: the server it goes to .. is off line |
| 19:33.09 | PupenoR | Flimzy: right. |
| 19:33.16 | abrotman | admittedly .. it's probably long been unsubscribed |
| 19:33.17 | Flimzy | PupenoR: I would use rsync as karsten suggests. |
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| 19:33.36 | jair | stew: I added this line: up /sbin/route add -net 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 gw 192.168.120.140 |
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| 19:33.38 | stew | jokker_fr: please turn that off in here |
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| 19:33.49 | abrotman | he did it the other day too |
| 19:33.49 | jair | something like that |
| 19:33.51 | karsten | PupenoR: tar _during_ business hours, followed by an rsync freshen-up, after, should get you there with minimal downtime. |
| 19:33.56 | PupenoR | the problem with that is that permissions may be lost (I'd have to run rsync as root locally, right) ? |
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| 19:34.12 | karsten | PupenoR: both tar and rsync will preserve permissions. |
| 19:34.22 | rahul | karsten: not if they're ACLs |
| 19:34.25 | Flimzy | PupenoR: Can you set up a "clone" box that you rsync to? |
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| 19:34.26 | tim_ | the invidia for games:P |
| 19:34.36 | PupenoR | karsten: but for rsync to preserve them I have to run it as root locally, right ? |
| 19:34.40 | Flimzy | PupenoR: Actually, I don't think rsync even requires passwd/group entries to set the UID/GID |
| 19:34.43 | karsten | PupenoR: ... and file attributes, and link/symlink characteristics, etc. But not (I was getting to that) ACLs if you're using those, unless you supply the righ toptions. |
| 19:34.44 | jelly-home | rahul: Well, ACLs are not permissions |
| 19:34.44 | stew | PupenoR: no |
| 19:34.45 | PupenoR | Flimzy: not a chance, no resources. |
| 19:34.47 | karsten | PupenoR: Yes. |
| 19:34.53 | rahul | jelly-home: um.. sure they are... |
| 19:35.01 | Flimzy | PupenoR: So you can definately keep permissions and ownership values, so long as you have root on the target rsync box |
| 19:35.05 | karsten | Flimzy: Nope, it doesn't. It uses the uid/gid encoded in the inode. |
| 19:35.09 | rahul | jelly-home: if you don't have access in the ACL, the kernel will not allow you to open the file |
| 19:35.14 | jelly-home | rahul: ok, they're not standard unix permissions, they're an extension |
| 19:35.24 | rahul | jelly-home: right... |
| 19:35.26 | karsten | Flimzy: /etc/passwd is only used for sensible display of user/group. |
| 19:35.34 | Flimzy | karsten: right |
| 19:35.36 | karsten | PupenoR: Are you using ACLs? |
| 19:35.36 | Flimzy | makes sense |
| 19:35.38 | PupenoR | How would I restore it ? |
| 19:35.43 | PupenoR | karsten: no. |
| 19:35.52 | Flimzy | PupenoR: You would restore with rsync in reverse. |
| 19:35.55 | numist | yoshio: yep, that was it. that was far too easy, I was about to *fix* the update-grub script, even though it looked like it should work fine |
| 19:36.08 | karsten | PupenoR: If the upgrade fails to meet spec: nuke the original system, copy from the archive back. Have a bootable CD handy for that. |
| 19:36.23 | PupenoR | karsten: the computer is far away, we can't reach it. |
| 19:36.31 | karsten | PupenoR: Sucks to be you. |
| 19:36.35 | stew | PupenoR: what version of debian is it running? |
| 19:36.50 | PupenoR | and even then, if I re-install, I'll get a different set of packages (older at install time, newer after upgrade). |
| 19:36.56 | karsten | PupenoR: Remote: rsync a backup. Create a new image on a new HD. Swap HDs. |
| 19:36.57 | quintin | Is there a oneline command to install autoconf 1.6 instead of 1.4.whatever? this is on updated sarge install |
| 19:36.58 | PupenoR | stew: Sarge. |
| 19:37.08 | karsten | PupenoR: I also generally include a rescue partition and a serial console for remote systesm. |
| 19:37.34 | quintin | or maybe automake |
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| 19:37.51 | karsten | PupenoR: Sounds to me like you need to do a bit more planning here. |
| 19:37.58 | jelly-home | PupenoR: you can install the base system, then copy (rsync) the backup into eg. /old, then switch the contents of /old |
| 19:38.14 | stew | quintin: i don't think debian has 1.6 anymore, just 1.4 1.7 1.8 1.9 |
| 19:38.24 | PupenoR | karsten: I can't reach that computer phisically in any way (like to swap HDs) and making new HDs would imply buing a new set of "expensive" SATA disks and make the raid, etc... impossible. |
| 19:38.28 | tim_ | i need to install nvidia driver how i do that..? |
| 19:38.38 | stew | quintin: oh, stable does, "apt-get install automake1.6" |
| 19:38.40 | quintin | tim_: nvidia.com. donwload a .RUN file from nvidia |
| 19:38.41 | jelly-home | PupenoR: in case of emergency, you can also install a temp. system on a spare partition... say, the one usually used as swap. |
| 19:38.42 | karsten | PupenoR: Sounds like a personal probme. |
| 19:38.46 | PupenoR | karsten: hehe... tell that to my boss, I have just started working here and its a mess. |
| 19:38.47 | karsten | !tell tim_ about nvidia |
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| 19:38.58 | karsten | PupenoR: That continues to sound like a personal problem. |
| 19:39.04 | quintin | stew: *huggles* |
| 19:39.06 | karsten | PupenoR: ... as well as like several jobs I turned down. |
| 19:39.38 | tim_ | nvidia-graphics-drivers" |
| 19:39.49 | tim_ | !tell karsten nvidia-graphics-drivers" |
| 19:39.50 | PupenoR | karsten: indeed it is a personal problem, most jobs around here are worst than this. I hope you really appretiate that you can choose a better job. |
| 19:40.04 | buu | Hrm. Is there a sane way to set 'screen -r -d |
| 19:40.07 | cydork | tim_: are you using etch? |
| 19:40.08 | karsten | PupenoR: I do. |
| 19:40.08 | buu | Hrm. Is there a sane way to set 'screen -r -d' as my login shell? |
| 19:40.15 | karsten | PupenoR: Good luck educating your boss. |
| 19:40.19 | karsten | buu: Don't do that. |
| 19:40.20 | tim_ | !tell tim_ nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 19:40.24 | buu | karsten: Is there a way? |
| 19:40.26 | tim_ | -wat |
| 19:40.28 | tim_ | etch..? |
| 19:40.32 | karsten | buu: ~/.bash_profile |
| 19:40.36 | Flimzy | quintin: That's horrible advice |
| 19:40.39 | buu | karsten: Or maybe just screen -r -d in .. yeah, would that work? |
| 19:40.40 | cydork | tim_: which version of debian are you using? |
| 19:40.40 | karsten | buu: But you *really* don't want to do that. |
| 19:40.46 | tim_ | dont realy know |
| 19:40.50 | tim_ | euhm |
| 19:40.55 | tim_ | how i can see it..? |
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| 19:41.02 | PupenoR | karsten: I don't think I'll do that... I'll continue to have fun codding here and let the rest just die. |
| 19:41.02 | buu | karsten: Why? |
| 19:41.18 | cydork | tim_: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 19:41.19 | karsten | buu: Think about this for a while. |
| 19:41.36 | jair | stew: Works ! :) |
| 19:41.50 | jair | stew: the example on the path you gave me simple |
| 19:41.57 | karsten | tim_: If you're running that command frequently enough, ^Rscr (reverse incrental search) will have it in your history. |
| 19:42.05 | jair | jelly-home: not need for the "post-" so I am happy :) |
| 19:42.05 | karsten | buu: ^^ |
| 19:42.07 | karsten | tim_: Nevermind |
| 19:42.16 | jair | jelly-home: but thank you for helping |
| 19:42.16 | tim_ | Cybork, how |
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| 19:42.28 | karsten | buu: Which is what I do every time I log into this machine. |
| 19:42.32 | Cald | hello |
| 19:42.42 | karsten | s/Read/Red/ |
| 19:42.48 | cydork | tim_: type "cat /etc/debian_version" without qoutes |
| 19:42.49 | buu | karsten: What? |
| 19:43.03 | jelly-home | buu: I have a screen -r in my shell's init script. It's wrapper in a big if (if there's a screen available, if this is a level 1 shell, etc.) |
| 19:43.06 | Cald | except "top" is there some other good little prog to monitor resource usage plz ? |
| 19:43.20 | karsten | Cald: Several. Which resources? |
| 19:43.25 | Cald | cpu |
| 19:43.26 | stew | Cald: "vmstats 1" |
| 19:43.31 | karsten | Cald: and/or what don't you like about top? |
| 19:43.32 | buu | jelly-home: Seems reasonable. |
| 19:43.33 | jelly-home | buu: s/wrapper/wrapped/ |
| 19:43.37 | karsten | Cald: Um. "top". |
| 19:43.40 | Caelum | what font that's like Bitstream Vera can I use for UTF-8? |
| 19:43.44 | stew | Cald: htop |
| 19:43.45 | tim_ | cydork,where..? |
| 19:43.52 | PupenoR | Anyway, making a whole backup of a system just because of bugfix upgrades seems crazy to me... they should be making backups for running old buggy software, which is likely to be more dangerous than the upgrade. |
| 19:44.01 | cydork | tim_: in your shell(terminal) |
| 19:44.02 | Cald | i have kernel 2.4 and top 3.2.1 and it doesn't display all |
| 19:44.07 | karsten | Cald: or: while uptime; do sleep 5; done |
| 19:44.20 | stew | Cald: doesn't display all what? |
| 19:44.23 | PupenoR | Caelum: That font is UTF-8, it doesn't have all the glyphs, but none do. |
| 19:44.26 | tim_ | cydork, 4.0 |
| 19:45.01 | Cald | doesn't display all information like sooner version |
| 19:45.02 | jelly-home | buu: it's a cheap trick for session management... keep screen running on server, and when I re-login at the desktop for whatever reason, my ssh sessions are automatically started and the shell is exactly where it was before |
| 19:45.04 | cydork | tim_: then there is no easy way to get the nvidia driver working. Do you need it for any specific reason? |
| 19:45.08 | Caelum | PupenoR: I see, thank you. Windows fonts seems to have more of them, but still not all... |
| 19:45.15 | Cald | thx for htop, it works good |
| 19:45.16 | buu | jelly-home: Yes, that's the idea. |
| 19:45.21 | PupenoR | Caelum: there are some other fonts, let me check.... |
| 19:45.26 | tim_ | cydork, yeah for games and stuff |
| 19:46.01 | quintin | Flimzy: what is horrible advice? |
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| 19:46.21 | PupenoR | Caelum: I said check Sans Serif, FreeSans and the Ninmbus ones. |
| 19:46.25 | Flimzy | quintin: Using the .run script from nvidia.com to install the nvidia drivers. |
| 19:46.38 | Flimzy | quintin: That's a really good way to f*** up your Debian system |
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| 19:46.54 | Phukked | Can you not create users with an underscore using useradd ? |
| 19:46.59 | cydork | Flimqy: fuck up X atleast :P |
| 19:47.24 | Flimzy | cydork: At _least_. running non-.deb install scripts in general is liable to screw up anything, tho |
| 19:47.25 | quintin | Flimzy: rather it's a program. why would it fuck up my debian system? worked fine for me. |
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| 19:47.45 | Flimzy | quintin: Just wait until you try to upgrade your video drivers or install a new version of xorg or something else like that. |
| 19:47.57 | Flimzy | quintin: It's always better to use the Debian version of the nvidia installer. Which is probably easier anyway. |
| 19:48.14 | karsten | Flimzy: No, it's better to avoid nvidia. |
| 19:48.14 | cahoot_ | Flimzy, is there one? |
| 19:48.23 | Flimzy | cahoot_: Is there one what? |
| 19:48.28 | Flimzy | karsten: What would you use instead? |
| 19:48.33 | quintin | Flimzy: both of those are not things that happen often. when you do, then you just setup driver again. I'm not aware of debian version of nvidia installer |
| 19:48.42 | jelly-home | buu: something like this (for me, in .zshrc as that's what I use) http://paste.debian.net/18196 |
| 19:48.46 | karsten | Flimzy: Intel. |
| 19:48.47 | cahoot_ | Flimzy, a debian installer/pkg for nvidia |
| 19:48.48 | Flimzy | quintin: I've been using the Debian nvidia installer for about 3 years. |
| 19:48.55 | Flimzy | cahoot_: of course. |
| 19:49.07 | Caelum | PupenoR: thank you, I will |
| 19:49.13 | cydork | cahoot: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 19:49.14 | quintin | Flimzy: ok. like I said, I've not been aware of it's existence. |
| 19:49.19 | Flimzy | karsten: Maybe. I don't have any experience with that. |
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| 19:49.23 | karsten | !intel graphics |
| 19:49.23 | dpkg | i heard intel graphics is 3D acceleration from Intel, open spec. Onboard chips only (sorry, AMD users). See http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm |
| 19:49.31 | cahoot_ | thought it was pulled out |
| 19:49.37 | Flimzy | karsten: Oh. I refuse to use an Intel CPU. :P |
| 19:49.45 | karsten | Flimzy: Why? |
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| 19:49.49 | cydork | cahoot: ya it's not in etch .. |
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| 19:49.57 | cahoot_ | cydork, right |
| 19:50.01 | Flimzy | karsten: Well, because at the time I last bought a new CPU, Intel was still 2x more expenvie for 1/2 the performance :P |
| 19:50.05 | tim_ | cydork, help then with nvidia:P |
| 19:50.10 | Flimzy | karsten: I might consider intel next time around. |
| 19:50.28 | cusco | dudes... with testing, after using "sudo nano /some/file" |
| 19:50.35 | cusco | when I use nano with no sudo: Error reading /home/cusco/.nano_history: Permission denied |
| 19:50.37 | jelly-home | Flimzy: however, for laptops it's an easy choice |
| 19:50.56 | cahoot_ | tim_, might try the instructions in /msg dpkg nvidia etch |
| 19:50.58 | cydork | tim_: like i said there is no easy way to install nvidia the debian way on etch. and if you use nvidia binary it can screw up your system. |
| 19:51.00 | Flimzy | jelly-home: My laptop uses nvidia |
| 19:51.12 | Flimzy | jelly-home, (and a Motorola CPU :P) |
| 19:51.19 | jelly-home | Flimzy: mine uses free drivers. :-P |
| 19:51.36 | Flimzy | jelly-home: so does mine. (nvidia proprietary drivers don't work on PPC) |
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| 19:51.55 | jelly-home | Flimzy: mine has 3D accel! :-) |
| 19:51.55 | Flimzy | cydork: That must be new, because I've installed the nvidia drivers on my amd64 w/ etch many tiems. |
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| 19:52.04 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Mine has a cute case! :P |
| 19:52.15 | cydork | !etch nvidia |
| 19:52.15 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 19:52.18 | jelly-home | Flimzy: granted... is it orange? |
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| 19:52.30 | cydork | Flimqy: i dont think it's new :P |
| 19:52.31 | cahoot_ | Flimzy, what about 'of course' now? |
| 19:52.31 | Flimzy | jelly-home: brush silver |
| 19:52.35 | PerfDave | The nvidia drivers in Etch were removed because of a remote-root security hole. It's not too hard to use the Sid or Experimental drivers though. |
| 19:53.01 | cydork | PerfDave: actually it was removed way before that.. |
| 19:53.03 | Flimzy | cydork: I did an nvidia etch install about 2 months ago with my last dist-upgrade. Maybe I didn't use official etch pacakges... but it was still easy. |
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| 19:53.17 | PerfDave | cydork: The security hole is about two years old :) |
| 19:53.23 | Flimzy | cahoot_: I still stand by it based on my personal experience. |
| 19:53.30 | cahoot_ | of course |
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| 19:53.48 | Flimzy | I'm not terribly concerned about root exploits on my MythTV box |
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| 19:53.51 | Caelum | PupenoR: sorry to bother you again, but where can I get a text file with some unicode characters to test my setup? |
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| 19:56.09 | PupenoR | Caelum: if you want to play with unicode, I recomend you the Gnome Charmap (gcharmap or something like that), it is an excellent charmap which supports many options of unicode, gives you a lot of information, it is very nice. |
| 19:56.14 | karsten | Caelum: http://www.google.com/search?q=unicode+test+file&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&num=100&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 19:56.31 | Caelum | ok, thank you :) |
| 19:56.38 | karsten | Caelum: http://ppewww.physics.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/unicode/ |
| 19:56.52 | PupenoR | Caelum: http://ppewww.physics.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/unicode/unidata.html |
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| 19:57.06 | Malagmyr | 3,8 ghz and i'm playing nethack. geez. |
| 19:57.21 | Malagmyr | runs really well though |
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| 19:58.04 | JordiGH | It's frozen! Are we having champaigne yet/ |
| 19:58.05 | JordiGH | ? |
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| 19:58.34 | karsten | PupenoR: You lose ;-) |
| 19:58.37 | stew | JordiGH: no, that's when its released |
| 19:58.58 | karsten | JordiGH: For release (viz: bug squashing), it's beer and pizza. |
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| 19:59.29 | karsten | What's the encoding conversion utility that's part of glibc? |
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| 20:00.00 | inabed | if i installed etch a week ago, should i do a dist-upgrade or just upgrade? |
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| 20:00.11 | karsten | inabed: dist-upgrade. |
| 20:00.17 | karsten | inabed: or man aptitude. |
| 20:00.48 | karsten | Feh. |
| 20:01.22 | karsten | Debian chroot on a RHEL system. xterm => chroot =>screen. 'cls' won't clear screen. exporting TERM=xterm or TERM=screen doesn't change that. |
| 20:01.30 | JordiGH | inabed: dist-upgrade if you're willing to deal with things getting broken; upgrade if you're more cautious. |
| 20:01.39 | karsten | Detaching screen, clearing, reattaching, does. |
| 20:02.06 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.19 | JordiGH | inabed: The time that has elapsed since you ran either one of those commands shouldn't significatly affect your decision. |
| 20:03.15 | CharminTheMoose | anyone? |
| 20:03.50 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Trust the APT, Luke. |
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| 20:04.10 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: INSTALL is generally provided upstream. If this is a Debian package, its deps should be sorted. |
| 20:04.23 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... Debian's APT deps trump INSTALL. |
| 20:04.39 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: You might note this as a documentation bug for the package if they conflict. |
| 20:05.20 | aronofsky | Hi, im on testing, I got an ATI Radeon 9550 SE and I was wondering what driver i should install to be able tu use aiglx, is the current fglrx ( 8.28.8-4 ) ok for that ? |
| 20:05.32 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: you already have glibc >= 2.1.3, so no fuss about that particular dependency |
| 20:05.33 | stew | its a policy violation to even package INSTALL afaik |
| 20:05.42 | norbert_ | hi all, I'm trying to get my printer to work; cups detected it, but it prints like this: (screenshot) http://82.94.213.114/ |
| 20:05.49 | CharminTheMoose | i was readying the feckin' signs wrong |
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| 20:06.00 | JordiGH | stew: Really? Which part? |
| 20:06.10 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Stop hitting me on the head! |
| 20:06.13 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Stop shooting me! |
| 20:06.21 | inabed | dpkg: pdiff? |
| 20:06.21 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:06.26 | CharminTheMoose | what? |
| 20:07.07 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: apparently karsten is your alter ego |
| 20:07.17 | inabed | is it safe to remove /var/cache/apt/* ? |
| 20:07.20 | inabed | to safe space... |
| 20:07.46 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: /whois karsten |
| 20:07.52 | inabed | will that info be regenerated on the next apt-get update or through some other normal process |
| 20:07.53 | jelly-home | Dr. CharminTheMoose and Mr. karsten, as it were |
| 20:08.00 | petemc | inabed: use apt-get clean |
| 20:08.09 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me about ATI Driver ? |
| 20:08.16 | karsten | JordiGH: That would be Dr. Karsten. |
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| 20:08.24 | cydork | !tell aronofsky about fglrx |
| 20:08.25 | inabed | archives is empty... i guess i'm more asking if i can delete the pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin files |
| 20:08.32 | karsten | aronofsky: It's about <--> this high. |
| 20:08.34 | JordiGH | Can I get called Master Jordi, then? |
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| 20:08.54 | JordiGH | inabed: You can delete it. But why do you want to? |
| 20:09.04 | CharminTheMoose | w00t |
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| 20:09.33 | karsten | JordiGH: You're Tiny JordiGH |
| 20:09.36 | jelly-home | JordiGH: would you like a cup of tea, m'lord? |
| 20:09.46 | norbert_ | ...---...---... |
| 20:09.53 | stew | JordiGH: oh, nm, policy doens't see you must not, it says you need not |
| 20:10.03 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Ah, yes thank you, my boy. Shine those boots while you're down there, that's a good boy. |
| 20:10.06 | inabed | JordiGH: to free up ~13MB |
| 20:10.07 | cydork | norbert_: no we dont know how to read morce code |
| 20:10.17 | inabed | i'm running on a 512MB compact flash drive :) |
| 20:10.21 | karsten | cydork: sosos |
| 20:10.31 | rgsteele | I'm pretty sure it's spelled Morse :) |
| 20:10.46 | JordiGH | !wayc CharminTheMoose |
| 20:10.46 | dpkg | CharminTheMoose: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:10.52 | cydork | rgsteele: ya i do make that mistake after 2 beers :P |
| 20:10.54 | rgsteele | For a second, I thought you misspelled source... but thinking about it again, that seems like a hell of a typo |
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| 20:11.21 | CharminTheMoose | 1. dosemu-1.2.2 isn't in the sarge repo and 2. because i can. |
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| 20:11.22 | karsten | rgsteele: Gentoo installs from source. |
| 20:11.27 | karsten | rgsteele: Debian installs from morse. |
| 20:11.52 | JordiGH | inabed: Yes, delete them. You won't need them. |
| 20:11.52 | cydork | karsten: oh so you had more beer than me :P |
| 20:11.52 | CharminTheMoose | 3. I can't be arsed to do a simple sid backport |
| 20:11.53 | cHaPlinux | pq a mozilla desenvolve tanto browser...? tem Netscape, Firefox, SeaMonkey, Camino, minimo? |
| 20:12.05 | karsten | cHaPlinux: English |
| 20:12.07 | CharminTheMoose | 'cos i don't trust sid. |
| 20:12.09 | rgsteele | karsten: Those Debian maintainers, I tell ya, they really outdo themselves. I bet the Etch installer goes right from Braille |
| 20:12.45 | karsten | !tell cHaPlinux about br |
| 20:12.49 | cydork | rgsteele: hmm possible it is :) |
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| 20:13.00 | karsten | rgsteele: Y'know, I believe there _is_ a braille installer. |
| 20:13.12 | JordiGH | Isn't the speakup kernel just that? |
| 20:13.14 | rgsteele | karsten: gtfo |
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| 20:13.25 | norbert_ | help, cups is crappy-ing my pages... http://82.94.213.114/ |
| 20:13.42 | LinuxNIT | is there a app that will give me something like a graph or piechart of diskspace usage? |
| 20:13.48 | rgsteele | norbert_: You sure it's CUPS? |
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| 20:13.57 | JordiGH | LinuxNIT: Kinfocentre |
| 20:14.01 | norbert_ | LinuxNIT: disks-admin |
| 20:14.07 | karsten | rgsteele: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ For the i386 architecture Debian provides a special set of installation images for floppies that support braille displays. A complete list of supported models may be found in the brltty documentation. |
| 20:14.08 | JordiGH | LinuxNIT: But real geeks use df -h |
| 20:14.10 | rgsteele | karsten: As in, you're not printing JetDirect or via Samba or anything? |
| 20:14.10 | cHaPlinux | It forgives! |
| 20:14.14 | CharminTheMoose | could someone help me with this rather nasty compile error? |
| 20:14.16 | norbert_ | rgsteele: yep |
| 20:14.17 | karsten | LinuxNIT: filelight |
| 20:14.33 | LinuxNIT | thanks guys |
| 20:14.51 | rgsteele | karsten: Hah, no kiddin'. :) |
| 20:15.02 | karsten | rgsteele: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/access/ http://mielke.cc/brltty/details.html#displays |
| 20:15.07 | karsten | rgsteele: I *wasn't* kidding. |
| 20:15.33 | JordiGH | Next question, if I want a graphical representation of how my data is actually physically laid out in my hard drive, what should I use? |
| 20:15.39 | norbert_ | why is it not working |
| 20:15.46 | karsten | rgsteele: In related news there's a comercial colo here whose head sysadmin is blind. Fully. |
| 20:15.50 | JordiGH | !doesn't work |
| 20:15.50 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:15.57 | rgsteele | brb |
| 20:15.58 | norbert_ | it's broken |
| 20:16.00 | norbert_ | ;-) |
| 20:16.03 | rgsteele | boss wants me |
| 20:16.26 | norbert_ | JordiGH: it looks crappy http://82.94.213.114/ |
| 20:16.41 | norbert_ | the photo tells it all ;-) |
| 20:16.43 | CharminTheMoose | could someone help me with this rather nasty compile error?http://pastebin.ca/275779 |
| 20:16.46 | JordiGH | Oh, that. |
| 20:16.50 | norbert_ | oe, and I even added red lines |
| 20:16.50 | karsten | JordiGH: You'd need a sector analyzer for that. Not aware of one. Tools like qparted (IIRC) will show how your *partitions* are layed out. Why, might I ask? |
| 20:17.17 | JordiGH | karsten: Oh, no reason. I just like pictures. |
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| 20:17.35 | JordiGH | karsten: And to prove that my hard drive doesn't need to be defragged, damnit. :-) |
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| 20:17.57 | stew | CharminTheMoose: i don't see an error |
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| 20:18.07 | karsten | JordiGH: Um. One of the fs commands. "fsinfo" should give you your frag percentage. |
| 20:18.14 | CharminTheMoose | stew |
| 20:18.17 | norbert_ | op een onbewoond ei-ei-eiland... |
| 20:18.22 | CharminTheMoose | THE BOTTOME! |
| 20:18.26 | CharminTheMoose | THE BOTTOM! |
| 20:18.28 | JordiGH | norbert_: Have you tried a postscript driver? |
| 20:18.52 | CharminTheMoose | or not |
| 20:18.54 | stew | CharminTheMoose: why are you compiling it instaed of using the debian packages? |
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| 20:19.05 | stew | CharminTheMoose: and no, i don't see a error at the bottom. please don't shout |
| 20:19.07 | JordiGH | stew: I think he just wants to prove himself. I already asked him above. |
| 20:19.18 | norbert_ | JordiGH: ehm... no, it should just /work/, I don't know anything about computers |
| 20:19.19 | JordiGH | stew: Also, because this version isn't in sarge. |
| 20:19.44 | karsten | JordiGH: dumpe2fs |
| 20:19.45 | JordiGH | norbert_: Free software can't just /work/ when vendors do not provide specs of their hardware. |
| 20:19.47 | CharminTheMoose | sorry stew |
| 20:19.54 | karsten | JordiGH: fsinfo's something else. |
| 20:20.10 | JordiGH | karsten: Sweet. Thanks for satisfying my whim for useless information of the day. :-) |
| 20:20.12 | karsten | JordiGH: Well, not strictly true. It's possible to R/E some HW. |
| 20:20.18 | stew | CharminTheMoose: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:20.55 | norbert_ | JordiGH: when I become administrator, I can select a Driver tab, it says: "Stylus C42UX - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.0" |
| 20:21.02 | JordiGH | karsten: Which is arguably not "just /work/". |
| 20:21.19 | JordiGH | norbert_: My guess is a driver problem. Have you looked at linuxprinting.org ? |
| 20:21.20 | karsten | JordiGH: Sure. |
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| 20:21.35 | CharminTheMoose | anyone want to see the effects of what happens if you start win.com from dosemu? http://downstairscomputer.homelinux.net:81/win.mpeg |
| 20:21.42 | ehj20 | I have unfortunately made a boot partition on a sarge install too small, which means when apt-get dist-upgrade tries to unpack a new image it runs out of space. Is there a way I can unpack it (on another partition) and install it manually? |
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| 20:22.11 | DomiX | yo, is someone trying the last linux-image-2.6.18 and mdadm on etch ? |
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| 20:23.19 | JordiGH | ehj20: You could make /var/cache/apt/archives a symlink to a place with more space. |
| 20:23.38 | CharminTheMoose | so what do ya think of it? |
| 20:23.45 | CharminTheMoose | pretty humourous imo |
| 20:23.49 | norbert_ | JordiGH: it says the gutenprint driver is recommended... http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_C42UX |
| 20:24.26 | cydork | JordiGH: it unpacks it in /boot |
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| 20:24.34 | cydork | ehj20: how small is the partition? |
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| 20:25.21 | ehj20 | cydork: df -h output: "/dev/hda1 15M 6.3M 7.7M 45% /boot" |
| 20:26.02 | ehj20 | I'm assuming the lack of space in the partition is the problem. The error from apt-get/dpkg is a bit unspecific |
| 20:26.14 | jelly-home | ehj20: might as well not use it at all |
| 20:27.20 | CharminTheMoose | ping |
| 20:27.21 | jelly-home | ehj20: if you have backups, you could try resizing it with gparted/qtparted |
| 20:27.26 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: Can you describe? I don't feel like downloading a movie. |
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| 20:28.11 | JordiGH | jelly-home: How is qtparted nowadays? I've been using the Knoppix 4.0 version which is too buggy for my tastes. I prefer gparted. :-/ |
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| 20:28.30 | CharminTheMoose | JordiGH,Basically I get to my windows drive and type win.com and then a big blue and grey screen comes up and complains about not finding system files and then it says: IT IS NOW SAFE TO TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER |
| 20:28.33 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I use gparted too. ;-) |
| 20:28.40 | CharminTheMoose | pretty funny |
| 20:28.46 | cydork | well on my etch ll |grep 2.6.18|awk 's+=$5{print $5}END{print "size "s}' returns 6931822 |
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| 20:29.00 | ehj20 | jelly-home: i've got backups, and I'm not too worried about having to reinstall everything. But it would be a pain to have to shift the /home partition. Should have just left it in one big partition... |
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| 20:29.26 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: How did you record that? |
| 20:29.34 | CharminTheMoose | I used xvidcap |
| 20:29.37 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 20:29.48 | inabed | hmm... how do i setup usb automounting? |
| 20:30.01 | JordiGH | Fuck. People who pipe to awk scare me. |
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| 20:30.05 | jelly-home | ehj20: pain? dunno, it would be lengthy, but you can do something else while it does it's job |
| 20:30.14 | cydork | inabed: use ivman or if you use gnome use gnome-volume-manager |
| 20:30.14 | jelly-home | s/it's/its/ |
| 20:30.24 | ehj20 | If I unpack the new image I think I'd have to move the original kernel-image out of /boot before being able to move the new one in. Does that sound possible? |
| 20:31.01 | inabed | is there a non hackish p.o.s. system that can automount thumb drives? |
| 20:31.04 | jelly-home | ehj20: i'd move away the largest files (presumably the initrd-* and vmlinuz-*) and then install |
| 20:31.10 | norbert_ | gimp is printing just fine btw |
| 20:31.21 | cydork | ehj20: download the deb, get a livecd and then just chroot :P |
| 20:31.37 | jelly-home | inabed: pos? |
| 20:32.22 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: What's xvidcap? I can't apt-cache search it. |
| 20:32.24 | cydork | inabed: read what i said.. :P |
| 20:32.33 | inabed | cydork: gotcha :) |
| 20:32.55 | CharminTheMoose | JordiGH:it's not in the repo but if you search the interweb you can find it |
| 20:33.01 | CharminTheMoose | i also have a .deb of it... |
| 20:33.03 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: Is it free? |
| 20:33.13 | CharminTheMoose | as in freedom yes |
| 20:33.17 | norbert_ | I'll destroy my printer, probably the best option |
| 20:33.25 | CharminTheMoose | and as in beer |
| 20:33.31 | norbert_ | who need stuff on dead trees anyways |
| 20:33.32 | ehj20 | jelly-home: hmm, that might just work. And if it doesn't I'll be forced to sort out the partitions once and for all. Win-win! ... |
| 20:33.40 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: Is it in wnpp yet? |
| 20:33.59 | CharminTheMoose | wnpp? |
| 20:34.05 | JordiGH | !wnpp |
| 20:34.05 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
| 20:34.31 | CharminTheMoose | i dunno JordiGH |
| 20:34.40 | CharminTheMoose | but it's pretty stable |
| 20:35.09 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: The fact that you recorded an mpeg in that is suspect. If there are patent encumbrances with codecs, that might be why it's not in Debian. Alternatively, maybe no one has gotten around to packaging it. |
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| 20:35.39 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 20:35.41 | CharminTheMoose | hmm |
| 20:35.42 | CharminTheMoose | maybe. |
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| 20:35.52 | CharminTheMoose | <_< >_> |
| 20:36.10 | jelly-home | JordiGH: funny how ffmpeg is in debian then |
| 20:36.24 | ehj20 | cydork: sounds a bit beyond me ;-) |
| 20:36.26 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Is it? It's in Marillat in me. |
| 20:36.28 | JordiGH | for me. |
| 20:36.47 | jelly-home | JordiGH: apt-cache policy ffmpeg |
| 20:36.48 | JordiGH | Oh, no, wait, I have sources for both. |
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| 20:37.13 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Is this recent? Like mplayer? |
| 20:37.13 | jelly-home | JordiGH: Marillat trumps the distro one with epoch: |
| 20:37.23 | heatman | !cd contents |
| 20:37.23 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 20:37.47 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you tell me... marillat: 3:20060814-0.4 etch: 0.cvs20060823-4 |
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| 20:38.08 | CharminTheMoose | oh noes |
| 20:38.11 | CharminTheMoose | anyway.... |
| 20:38.29 | jelly-home | JordiGH: don't know when it was put in... I use debian-multimedia.org too. |
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| 20:39.50 | mcquaid | hello, I moved something a while back and sym linked it. I want to move it back to it's original location but can't remember where |
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| 20:40.08 | mcquaid | locate doesn't show sym links, is there a way to get locate to show sym links? |
| 20:40.14 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: #289168 |
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| 20:40.28 | CharminTheMoose | what? |
| 20:40.50 | CHodapp | Where is the helvetica font in etch? xfonts-100dpi or xfonts-75dpi is supposed to have it, but neither seems to |
| 20:40.56 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: It's a bug number. |
| 20:41.02 | CharminTheMoose | of? |
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| 20:41.41 | CharminTheMoose | a bug number of xvidcap?> |
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| 20:42.27 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: You can see Debian bugs by pointing your browser to http://bugs.debian.org/bug-number |
| 20:42.38 | JordiGH | where bug-number is a variable. |
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| 20:43.21 | JordiGH | Looks like xvidcap was getting packaged, it's popular, but the prospective packager was inexperienced, goofed up the package, and is working on it again. |
| 20:43.58 | heatman | What is the kernel of Debian 3.1_r4? |
| 20:44.06 | asg | heatman: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
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| 20:44.23 | heatman | asg: ty |
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| 20:44.54 | dan2 | asg! |
| 20:45.02 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 20:45.07 | dan2 | asg: :) |
| 20:45.10 | ehj20 | This is the error message from aptitude: http://www.edsplace.org.uk/aptitude.log Does it probably relate to lack of space on /boot? |
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| 20:45.28 | Cholito | I just installed debian, and the fonts in firefox/epiphany are very weird: http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazotg4.png any idea about why and how to make it look better? |
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| 20:46.03 | steven_ | I'm trying to get me second interface up and running, lshw has found the card, but says network:0 unclaimed, any suggestions? |
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| 20:46.14 | Cholito | it's really hard to read with that kind of font |
| 20:46.21 | Eulex | steven_, try enabling anti-alias. |
| 20:46.32 | Eulex | for any font size. |
| 20:47.16 | Cholito | Eulex: uhmmm talking to me maybe? |
| 20:47.22 | CharminTheMoose | moo |
| 20:47.23 | Cholito | =/ |
| 20:47.23 | asg | ehj20: from the looks of it, your '/' filesystem is full. |
| 20:47.26 | DavidProck1981 | any one in here remember how i have lots of problems with my ati video card, any one in here that remember helping me on it? |
| 20:47.36 | Eulex | Cholito, yep |
| 20:47.49 | Eulex | sorry steven_ |
| 20:47.56 | buggarage | fuck did i tell the channel that i fucking much hate cron? |
| 20:48.14 | CharminTheMoose | buggarage:nope |
| 20:48.30 | krazykit | DavidProck1981, no, but it's probably easier to buy a new video card... unless you have a laptop :-/ |
| 20:48.30 | asg | buggarage: don't use it then; write your own scheduler |
| 20:48.44 | buggarage | ok i'm so relieved now :) |
| 20:49.05 | steven_ | Eulex: no prob |
| 20:49.08 | buggarage | it's just that it starts checking and hecking in the background whenever i'm absent |
| 20:49.13 | buggarage | lol |
| 20:49.34 | asg | buggarage: that's generally what it's supposed to do. |
| 20:50.01 | ehj20 | asg: hmmm, damn. Here's output from df-h: http:www.edsplace.me.uk/df.log |
| 20:50.10 | DavidProck1981 | well this time i installed gcc-3.3-base before i did the module-assistant and it work great so far except one glitch i notic |
| 20:50.18 | buggarage | asg: yeah but it's annoying on my pc when i have to compile and install stuff at the same time it gets infinitely slow |
| 20:50.43 | asg | ehj20: that could cause it. What does 'df -i' output? |
| 20:50.59 | asg | buggarage: you could try using renice(1) |
| 20:51.08 | asg | s/1/8/ |
| 20:51.14 | buggarage | asg: will try thank you |
| 20:51.22 | ehj20 | http:www.edsplace.me.uk/dfi.log |
| 20:51.52 | DavidProck1981 | after i play cube 2 for about a min. well it works great durring that 1 min. but after that it crash with this error "could not build mipmaps" does any one have a clue as to what would cause that |
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| 20:52.16 | ehj20 | asg: Whoops! http://www.edsplace.me.uk/dfi.log |
| 20:52.16 | krazykit | DavidProck1981, cube? you mean in beryl? |
| 20:52.20 | asg | ehj20: well, you have enough inodes. However, an 89M '/' isn't going to work since /lib, /bin, and /sbin will probably push you much higher |
| 20:52.32 | DavidProck1981 | no it is a 3D shootem up game |
| 20:52.33 | buggarage | asg: is it safe to kill cron instead ? |
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| 20:52.43 | krazykit | hm |
| 20:52.44 | asg | ehj20: jasg@grep:~$ du -hs /lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686/ |
| 20:52.44 | asg | 43M /lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686/ |
| 20:52.45 | tim-tim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.56 | tim-tim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.57 | krazykit | DavidProck1981, etch? sid? kernel? |
| 20:53.03 | DavidProck1981 | i did a format after installing beryl , so none of that is on here |
| 20:53.16 | tim-tim | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.17 | asg | buggarage: you can do it but it's never recommended since cron does lots of housekeeping; Disabling it temporarily will not cause any untoward pain though. |
| 20:53.18 | DavidProck1981 | etch 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 20:53.38 | buggarage | asg: ok i'll try it now |
| 20:54.05 | krazykit | tim-tim, try /msg without the preceding space |
| 20:54.08 | ehj20 | asg: 36M /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/ |
| 20:54.08 | Cholito | Eulex: uhm, sorry, i just googled about antialiasing, but i haven't found anything about enabling it, any suggestion? ;) |
| 20:54.28 | Eulex | Cholito, enable it in the properties of your desktop environment. |
| 20:54.32 | asg | ehj20: right but if you are installing a new kernel, it'll not fit in 17M available |
| 20:55.02 | JordiGH | dpkg, tell DavidProck1981 about Nexuiz. |
| 20:55.05 | ehj20 | asg: Thanks for the help. The partitions are obviously a mess ;-) |
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| 20:55.25 | asg | ehj20: yeah :) 87M '/', 105G /home |
| 20:55.41 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: cube isn't free, and it's not in Debian. Your requests for help with cube are OT. |
| 20:56.23 | JordiGH | However, |
| 20:56.25 | JordiGH | !info nexuiz |
| 20:56.31 | asg | ehj20: it's not unusual for a small embedded system but that requires some tweakage and understanding. Since you have plenty of space, I would have devoted at least 150 - 200M to '/' |
| 20:56.40 | dpkg | nexuiz: (A fast-paced 3D Ego-Shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 588 kB, Installed size: 1456 kB |
| 20:56.40 | DavidProck1981 | JordiGH i will give it a tri to see how it does but i like Cube2 cause its very easy to make maps for it |
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| 20:57.24 | inabed | so, is aiglx pretty useless? |
| 20:57.37 | CHodapp | inabed: it can offload some tasks to the GPU, which can have its use. |
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| 20:57.51 | CharminTheMoose | inabed:yes it's very usesless |
| 20:57.52 | CHodapp | inabed: translucency can also have practical uses. |
| 20:57.54 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: You mean Saurkraut or whatever it's called? Looks like the author doesn't have any intent to make it free. :-( |
| 20:57.55 | ftp3 | i want to remove proftpd from my inetd so I can start it manually,, is there a file I can edit? |
| 20:58.08 | CHodapp | JordiGH: Sauerbraten, aka Cube 2? |
| 20:58.26 | JordiGH | CHodapp: Yeah, that one. :-) |
| 20:58.34 | CHodapp | Nexuiz was a fun game, I used to play it online, back when I wasn't behind a firewall that made it angry, and there were enough servers |
| 20:58.34 | ehj20 | asg: That does sound much more appropriate. TBH I can't imagine what I was thinking! |
| 20:59.18 | asg | ehj20: well, generally, '/' only contains /bin /sbin /lib and a few other small mountpoints. However, the 2.6.x kernels in Debian are rather large since all modules are compiled and available. |
| 20:59.54 | DavidProck1981 | hay what is the gui for aptitude called cause it is not inastalled |
| 21:00.07 | stew | DavidProck1981: "aptitude" |
| 21:00.16 | asg | DavidProck1981: aptitude has an ncurses interface if you just type 'aptitude' |
| 21:00.26 | rahul | aptitude _is_ the gui for apt |
| 21:00.53 | asg | DavidProck1981: you are probably thinking of synaptic or kpackage |
| 21:00.58 | DavidProck1981 | im not sure if im spelling it correctly but, synaptic package mannager |
| 21:01.09 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: If you want a GUI, you can use Synaptic, but it's considerably less smart (and hackish) than aptitude. |
| 21:01.16 | diskus | synaptic package manager is probably for ubuntu? |
| 21:01.25 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: You should browse the Debian games' section. |
| 21:01.26 | diskus | or is it available in debian too? |
| 21:01.29 | asg | diskus: no, it's a generic Gnome package manager |
| 21:01.30 | JordiGH | diskus: Ubuntu took it from Debian. |
| 21:01.48 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: Vega Strike is fun. :-) |
| 21:01.49 | rahul | "WOW, dpkg is available in debian, too?" |
| 21:01.50 | krazykit | JordiGH, they didn't really "take" it, they just suggested it as the default frontend... |
| 21:01.50 | diskus | I neved used debian on desktop system, so I don't know |
| 21:01.59 | schme | rahul: It is!? |
| 21:02.15 | RvGaTe | JordiGH, i play games like Counterstrike Source, Battlefield 2, Unreal tournament, Quake... |
| 21:02.20 | rahul | schme: so I hear. might just be some debian-evangelist spreading rumors. |
| 21:02.23 | jelly-home | what's dpkg? |
| 21:02.29 | ehj20 | asg: Things are making more sense now, thanks. |
| 21:02.29 | rahul | dpkg: what are you? |
| 21:02.30 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 21:02.35 | rahul | heh |
| 21:02.37 | JordiGH | krazykit: The great thing about software is that "take" doesn't mean the same thing as "take" in "Dey took our jobs!". |
| 21:02.39 | CHodapp | !blootbot |
| 21:02.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 21:02.49 | asg | ehj20: you're welcome. Also, check the install manual at debian.org, there are some good recommendations in there also. |
| 21:02.59 | jelly-home | So ubuntu has blootbots too? |
| 21:03.01 | krazykit | JordiGH, yes, but meanings don't come across well in plain text, necessarily |
| 21:03.06 | JordiGH | RvGaTe: There's a bunch of free shooters. Nexuiz is a good one. There's also tremulous which is half-free. |
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| 21:03.35 | CHodapp | There are also plenty of source ports of Doom and Quake - you still need game data to play, but shareware episodes exist |
| 21:03.41 | CHodapp | Also see Marathon and AlephOne |
| 21:03.41 | jelly-home | half-free? |
| 21:03.48 | RvGaTe | JordiGH, i dont want other shooters, i want the one i play already... sorry... i play those games in competitive form... i cant just "leave" |
| 21:03.49 | krazykit | JordiGH, also, get back in the pile |
| 21:03.56 | JordiGH | jelly-bone: binaries are free, but not the data files. |
| 21:03.59 | jelly-home | Sounds like half-pregnant |
| 21:04.00 | steven_ | anyone familiar with an interface network: unclaimed? It's the output of a lan pci card with lshw |
| 21:04.20 | CHodapp | There's also Enemy Territory from id Software - free but not open-source, fun for online play |
| 21:05.22 | enouf_ | DavidProck1981: actually , if you use kde, it has a better gui pkg manager - called .. yep kpackage manager .. but i use apt-get |
| 21:05.55 | JordiGH | Also, I don't have a need for kpackage to also try to manage my rpm's and Slackware tarballs. |
| 21:06.05 | JordiGH | and I'm a KDE user, mind you! |
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| 21:06.39 | enouf_ | much better than synaptic .. more informative and still nothing compared to apt-get (or aptitude cli) |
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| 21:07.00 | DavidProck1981 | i dont see yep |
| 21:07.05 | enouf_ | doesn't have a need to mix distros |
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| 21:07.21 | enouf_ | engrish? |
| 21:07.28 | Mark_Iron | Salut :) |
| 21:07.33 | JordiGH | !fr |
| 21:07.33 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:07.51 | JordiGH | Hm, maybe we need #debian-qd |
| 21:07.53 | JordiGH | Hm, maybe we need #debian-qc |
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| 21:08.01 | rahul | heh |
| 21:08.34 | rahul | I'm all for it if there are hot lebanese girls there |
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| 21:08.53 | JordiGH | Damn. I remember those hot Lebanese girls... |
| 21:09.01 | rahul | I don't... ;) |
| 21:09.05 | Mark_Iron | one question: what doe's the % charakter mean? ... in the .deb name in /var/cache/apt/archives .. e.g. g++_4%3a4.1.1-13_i386.deb |
| 21:09.36 | Cholito | Eulex: did you meant here? http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantallazodm4.png |
| 21:09.42 | rahul | Mark_Iron: that's HTTP URL escaping |
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| 21:10.02 | klikklak | hi, I'm trying to get lirc to work: I don't have ttyS0 at all and makedev complains that I'm running udev so it's creating devices under .static/dev which is useless. What should I do? |
| 21:10.06 | JordiGH | rahul: Wow. Good call. I was puzzling over that package name. :P |
| 21:10.17 | rahul | heh |
| 21:10.26 | JordiGH | rahul: Shakira is Lebanese. |
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| 21:10.42 | rahul | JordiGH: half |
| 21:10.46 | n3kl | Hiya folks! |
| 21:10.56 | JordiGH | rahul: There's the princess or queen or whatever royalty they have over there... |
| 21:11.02 | JordiGH | No, wait, that's Jordan. Never mind. |
| 21:11.04 | thelostbutler | hello folks, what is the best way to collect summarized info about a process that is running, that is how much of memory it is taking up etc ? |
| 21:11.07 | LordFrith | So I'm trying to remove a whole bunch of packages, and while doing this, I'm come to a problem removing scim. It's balking at "dpkg -r scim-gtk2-immodule" with an error of "/var/lib/dpkg/info/scim-gtk2-immodule.postrm: line 8: /usr/sbin/update-gtk-immodules: Permission denied". Is there a way to force it to keep going despite the errors? |
| 21:11.09 | Mark_Iron | thank you rahul ... what is if I want to create a repository based on cache? .. do I have to change or remove the % charakter ? |
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| 21:11.13 | monokrome | hey |
| 21:11.24 | asg | thelostbutler: install the acct package |
| 21:11.25 | ehj20 | asg: the example filesystem here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition has a small '/boot' (although it does have a large '/'). It's not necessarily advertised as recommended, I'll admit! |
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| 21:11.30 | monokrome | Anyone in here know how to set up WEP w/ broadcom using ndiswrapper? |
| 21:11.33 | bigwig | hi all |
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| 21:11.38 | asg | thelostbutler: or just run top(1) and watch it in realtime |
| 21:11.51 | rahul | JordiGH: eh? |
| 21:12.00 | rahul | JordiGH: what were you trying to say about the royalty anyway? |
| 21:12.12 | asg | ehj20: if '/boot' is separate from '/', then the size of /boot isn't relevant to overloading in /lib, which is the problem you are running into |
| 21:12.15 | rahul | JordiGH: some of the jordanian royalty is where? in quebec? |
| 21:12.22 | JordiGH | rahul: No. It's hot. :P |
| 21:12.23 | DavidProck1981 | hay if i havent loaded the xserver and i want to aptitude search SomeThing and the list is bigger that what can fit on the screen, how can i make it show in pages |
| 21:12.31 | rahul | JordiGH: oh, fair enough :) |
| 21:12.42 | ehj20 | asg: doh, okay! |
| 21:12.45 | Mark_Iron | what is "HTTP URL escaping" good for? |
| 21:13.09 | asg | Mark_Iron: phishing, encoding characters that aren't legal in urls, etc. |
| 21:13.11 | rahul | Mark_Iron: http urls. |
| 21:13.14 | bigwig | i tried to boot with Kenshi Muto's custom sarge installer, from a USB pendrive (boot.img.gz). Booted up well, but the installer told me: the quick scan for installer iso images, which looks only in common places, did not find an installer iso image. |
| 21:13.17 | bigwig | what to do? |
| 21:13.21 | enouf_ | LordFrith: don't quote me .. but I believe there's a way to place an "error 0" at the top of the script (something like that) .. only if it can't be resolved some other way |
| 21:13.26 | stew | DavidProck1981: "aptitude search something | pager" |
| 21:13.47 | Mark_Iron | thank you asg & rahul :) |
| 21:13.49 | jelly-home | enouf_: "exit 0" |
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| 21:13.49 | stew | bigwig: put an installer iso on the pendrive |
| 21:13.59 | jelly-home | enouf_: _if_ it's a shell script. |
| 21:14.08 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, nice. I didn't realise that pager was in /etc/alternatives |
| 21:14.13 | bigwig | stew: isn't boot.img.gz an installer iso? |
| 21:14.33 | stew | bigwig: no, put a netinst.iso onto there also |
| 21:14.44 | enouf_ | LordFrith: see jelly-home's coment == "exit 0" thanks jelly-home .. I recall the postrm and postinst are indeed .. IINM |
| 21:14.46 | bigwig | hm |
| 21:15.15 | DavidProck1981 | will that | pager work for dir too |
| 21:15.24 | stew | DavidProck1981: yes |
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| 21:15.35 | stew | DavidProck1981: anything that writes to stdout |
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| 21:15.46 | DavidProck1981 | stew caan u explane the syntax of that |
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| 21:16.35 | stew | DavidProck1981: | means take the output of the command on the left and feed it to the command on the right as input |
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| 21:16.49 | DavidProck1981 | oh cool |
| 21:16.51 | n3kl | Is there a way to easily reinstall a package and all deps to ensure that I am running the correct version? |
| 21:16.55 | enouf_ | LordFrith: could trt a reverse depends to see what's up .. perhpas trying to remove "scim" also will remove other things you don't want removed .. apt-rdepends scim may give clues, and dpkg hads many options .. just not tooo familiar with all yet .. such as -F and such |
| 21:17.01 | bigwig | stew: and how? cfdisk says for my pendrive: Bad primary partition 0: Partition begins after end-of-disk |
| 21:17.01 | DavidProck1981 | now i understand |
| 21:17.05 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: It says "Hey, aptitude, search for this package, and oh, bash, please be as kind as to pipe whatever aptitude says to a pager, and bash says, oh, I see that "pager" is a symlink to either less or more (usually)" |
| 21:17.26 | stew | bigwig: how what? |
| 21:17.40 | bigwig | stew: how should i put netinst.iso on my pendrive? |
| 21:18.08 | DavidProck1981 | now do you know of any other usefill commands after the pipe like pager |
| 21:18.10 | bigwig | should i pull it out after booting and write the iso on it and put it back? |
| 21:18.10 | stew | bigwig: mount the pendrive, and just cp the .iso onto it as a file on the pendrive's filesystem |
| 21:18.17 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: grep. |
| 21:18.24 | inabed | does aiglx not fuck up responsiveness badly with ati drivers? |
| 21:18.37 | DavidProck1981 | what is that |
| 21:18.39 | stew | inabed: yes |
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| 21:18.56 | klikklak | I need to use the serial port, however I don't have ttyS0 at all and makedev complains that I'm running udev so it's creating devices under .static/dev which is useless. What should I do? |
| 21:18.57 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: grepping is to POSIX what googling is to the web. |
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| 21:19.08 | kingsley | Is there a way to stop cups from overwriting /etc/printcap? |
| 21:19.40 | DavidProck1981 | i dont know what posix is could u give a ex with grep |
| 21:19.48 | asg | kingsley: you could use chattr if you are running a supported filesystem |
| 21:19.52 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: So, for example, "ps agux | grep firefox" will give you the pids of processes that have "firefox" in its name. |
| 21:20.01 | enouf_ | LordFrith: fwiw .. an apt-cachew show scim shows the install depends as well (shorter list than apt-rdepends) |
| 21:20.02 | n3kl | Is there a way to easily reinstall a package and all deps? |
| 21:20.10 | enouf_ | er -w |
| 21:20.11 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: POSIX is a family of operating systems that behave like Unix and GNU/Linux. |
| 21:20.17 | bigwig | stew: sorry, i thought /dev/sdb has a partition table, but it does not. i have to mount it directly. |
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| 21:20.21 | asg | n3kl: apt-get install --reinstall <foo> |
| 21:20.29 | enouf_ | n3kl: --force-reinstall perhaps |
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| 21:20.54 | DavidProck1981 | what is the ps agux |
| 21:21.23 | DavidProck1981 | ohh ohhh oho hoh yo yo let me make a ex and see if it works |
| 21:21.28 | n3kl | asg: enouf_ : thanks |
| 21:21.34 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: A pid is not a Pelvic Inflammatory Disease. It's a process id. In case, y'know, you may want to KILL DASH NINE some process:http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 21:21.56 | enouf_ | heh |
| 21:22.03 | n3kl | I made the mistake of install a single package form unstable while I am running testint. I don't think I will be doing that any time soon again. |
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| 21:22.07 | enouf_ | n3kl: no prob |
| 21:22.09 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude search kernel | grep kwrite |
| 21:22.19 | enouf_ | wtf? |
| 21:23.13 | DavidProck1981 | is that a example |
| 21:23.14 | enouf_ | DavidProck1981: kernel has nada to do with kwrite |
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| 21:23.14 | ftp3 | is anyone here familiar with proftpd? That channel is dead.. I installed proftpd on my debian box, but everytime I try and log in it says bad password even though the password is correct |
| 21:23.14 | stew | DavidProck1981: yes |
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| 21:23.15 | enouf_ | DavidProck1981: yes .. grep can be used that way though |
| 21:23.15 | n3kl | what is the most compatable video card with debian? |
| 21:23.15 | LordFrith | enouf_, yeah, I'm able to put it back, but it doesn't seem to want to back back out. Something bad with the actual package, apparentl. |
| 21:23.16 | asg | ftp3: check /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/* for any post-install debian specific documentation |
| 21:23.23 | monokrome | n3k: Something that says nVidia :P |
| 21:23.27 | stew | monokrome: huh? |
| 21:23.44 | stew | n3kl: what would make one supported card more compatible than another supported card? |
| 21:23.49 | n3kl | monokrome: nvidia drivers have been a pain for me on etch tho... |
| 21:23.49 | PerfDave | ftp3: I'm not familiar with it, because FTP is a horrible outdated protocol. If there's some reason why you can't use SFTP, then look at whether proftpd uses a seperate password file. |
| 21:24.09 | enouf_ | LordFrith: hrmm .. some others here are more knowledgeable about manuallu forcing things like that.. hope they can chime in here for ya |
| 21:24.17 | monokrome | n3kl: I havn't really had a prob with them. It's better than ATI. |
| 21:24.24 | monokrome | Their drivers are a pain regardless :) |
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| 21:24.33 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: Try, for example, "aptitude search rms | grep tux". You can thus find packages who mention Richard M. Stallman in their descriptions and have "tux" in their name or short descriptions. |
| 21:24.37 | n3kl | stew: I want a dual DVI Card, most likely nvidia, but I don't want to have a crap load of issue with it when I try to setup xorg and stuff |
| 21:24.47 | ftp3 | asg, i did.. nothing new or different |
| 21:24.53 | PerfDave | We use Matrox stuff at work for dual DVI, I think |
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| 21:25.34 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude search rms | grep tux Did not seam to do any thing |
| 21:25.36 | stew | n3kl: "man nv" will tell you which nvidia cards are supported by debian |
| 21:25.37 | n3kl | monokrome: do you know of a simple how to or something? I tried doing everything the debian wa and I couldn't make it work. So I used this script that actually came from Ubuntu, that is the only way I have been able to make it workon debian so far. |
| 21:25.38 | enouf_ | LordFrith: thought.. haveyou tried apt-get --purge remove scim? |
| 21:25.52 | klikklak | scrach that, udev created the device once I loaded serial_core and 8250.. (disabled due to lirc before) |
| 21:27.08 | n3kl | I need at least 2.6.17 kernel, so I have to compile it myself. Maybe I don't know debian well enough yet, but I thought I wasdoing everything corectly |
| 21:27.08 | stew | n3kl: why do you have to compile it yourself? |
| 21:27.08 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: Hm! Maybe xtux isn't in your Debian. Are you running sarge? |
| 21:27.08 | PerfDave | n3kl: What are you actually trying to achieve here? |
| 21:27.08 | DavidProck1981 | etch |
| 21:27.08 | n3kl | stew: to fit my machine... |
| 21:27.08 | DavidProck1981 | ohld on |
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| 21:27.09 | LordFrith | enouf_, yep. No luck with that either. |
| 21:27.09 | stew | n3kl: why would you have to do that? |
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| 21:27.14 | enouf_ | LordFrith: maybe even an apt-get update .. thinking the repos were changed since last installed pkgs that depend on certain parts of the repo (now missing perhaps) .. such as the 'contrib non-free' sections that can be appended to repos in sources.list |
| 21:27.25 | stew | n3kl: why not use a debian compiled kernel? |
| 21:27.33 | LordFrith | enouf_, good thought-- I'll try that next. |
| 21:27.36 | n3kl | stew: its what I have done on every machine that I run linux on. Is this not nessessary with debain? |
| 21:27.48 | stew | n3kl: no |
| 21:28.04 | JordiGH | Heehee! |
| 21:28.06 | n3kl | stew: that would imply that everything is compiled as a module... |
| 21:28.09 | JordiGH | n3kl: Welcome to apt! :D |
| 21:28.11 | stew | n3kl: yes |
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| 21:28.29 | n3kl | stew: hmm, that might change things a bit |
| 21:28.30 | JordiGH | n3kl: Well, yes, that's true. The Debian kernels are rather large as a result. Is that a problem? |
| 21:28.51 | PerfDave | JordiGH: They're not large in terms of anything that isn't an embedded system |
| 21:28.55 | rahul | compiling kernels gives me a woody |
| 21:29.14 | JordiGH | rahul: 2001 called, they want their woody jokes back. |
| 21:29.21 | rahul | haha |
| 21:29.32 | DavidProck1981 | can u make a example of this , a better one, aptitude search * | grep 3D game |
| 21:29.33 | n3kl | JordiGH: not especially. I would only have the modules that I need loaded, but there is something of a satisfaction when you have a custom tailored kernel to fit the machine. |
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| 21:29.38 | JordiGH | Man, I love that snowclone. :-) |
| 21:29.39 | rahul | 2001 was a good year |
| 21:29.43 | bigwig | stew: Debian is installing! I just can't beleive it... thank you |
| 21:29.48 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite n3kl |
| 21:30.07 | n3kl | JordiGH: its just the way I have always done it since I have been on linux/unix. But, as you can tell, I am new to debian |
| 21:30.10 | daedalus_ | n3kl: The binary kernels are a good place to start. If you really, absolutely, must compile it yourself, there is a Debian Way(tm) to do it, but it's unnecessary. |
| 21:30.18 | enouf_ | dpkg : that's way too long for a shortstack :-p |
| 21:30.40 | PerfDave | The satisfaction that comes from a custom-built kernel is only because you've just had to deal with five failed compiles and kernel panics gettingthe damn thing to work ;) |
| 21:30.59 | n3kl | daedalus_: make-kpkg ? |
| 21:31.04 | rahul | PerfDave: huh? |
| 21:31.18 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: The | only works for stuff that gets dumped on your terminal screen. If a command outputs a screenful of output, you can use "| grep something" at the end of that command to print the lines that match "something". |
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| 21:31.39 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: Try "aptitude search 3d game" instead. |
| 21:31.41 | PerfDave | apt-get search 3d game |
| 21:31.43 | enouf_ | n3kl: /msg dpkg kernel package and make-kpkg |
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| 21:32.04 | stew | !kernel package and make-kpkg |
| 21:32.26 | yoshio | PerfDave: apt-cache, not apt-get |
| 21:32.33 | enouf_ | stew .. wasn't clear eh? |
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| 21:33.11 | PerfDave | yoshio: Yeah, my bad |
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| 21:34.49 | DavidProck1981 | i expected i would find nexuiz when i do "aptitude search 3d game" cause with the synaptic package manager it does, but this time it is not installed |
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| 21:35.58 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: What isn't installed? On my machine, "aptitude search 3d game" brings up a long list of games amongst which Nexuiz is included. |
| 21:36.20 | DavidProck1981 | no i mean like....... |
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| 21:38.19 | Mark_Iron | Question: how to get a .deb package incl. all denpandencies? ... "apt-get build-dep -d XYZ.deb" will save it in the cache dir .. but only if the dependencies are not allready installed on the systmem .. ANY Idea? - thank you in advance! :) |
| 21:38.35 | Mark_Iron | system |
| 21:38.41 | DavidProck1981 | lets say u dont know the names of any games Except for the ones that are installed and you want ot find new ones with "3D Game" or "Shootem Up" in the description of the package what would 'you' do with the aptitude search |
| 21:38.58 | PerfDave | Mark_Iron: What are you actually trying to acheive? |
| 21:39.07 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: "search" looks in the package name and its description. |
| 21:39.41 | Mark_Iron | to remaster a debian install CD .. to add additional packages to only one CD PerfDave :) |
| 21:40.11 | PerfDave | Mark_Iron: Have you looked at the documentation for custom Debian install CDs? |
| 21:40.24 | Mark_Iron | yes PerfDave |
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| 21:40.29 | quintin | can I install a .deb meant for testing on my stable debian ? |
| 21:40.36 | quintin | without tearing a hole in the space-time continuum? |
| 21:40.41 | quintin | (pulseaudio) |
| 21:40.45 | stew | quintin: you shouldn't. /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:40.53 | Mark_Iron | I've tried some things out ... since few days ... |
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| 21:41.03 | Mark_Iron | I've tried some things out ... since few days ... @ PerfDave |
| 21:41.06 | PerfDave | quintin: It's probably a bad idea, and probably won't wokr. |
| 21:41.37 | quintin | =( |
| 21:41.41 | DavidProck1981 | WELL 3D is in the description of nexuiz, as 3D is not part of the package name ex, "nexuiz3D" or "3D-nexuiz" or "3Dnexuiz", Now when i do aptitude search 3D it does not show nexuiz, so how would i make it do so |
| 21:41.42 | quintin | I need pulseaudio |
| 21:41.43 | PerfDave | Mark_Iron: Fair enough. I wouldn't have thought that you'd need to do what you're trying to do. |
| 21:41.50 | PerfDave | quintin: As stew said, look at backports. |
| 21:41.57 | quintin | looking at that site |
| 21:41.58 | Mark_Iron | well .. I've burned allready some CDs .. but all of them are missing some installer components |
| 21:42.01 | Mark_Iron | @ PerfDave |
| 21:42.19 | PerfDave | Mark_Iron: I've not made a custom install CD myself. #debian-boot might be able to help you. |
| 21:42.27 | Mark_Iron | PerfDave: Do you have a better Idea ? |
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| 21:42.40 | PerfDave | Mark_Iron: Like I say, I've not done it myself. |
| 21:42.42 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: Search is case-sensitive. Don't use uppercase if you also want to include the possibility of lowercase. |
| 21:42.45 | Mark_Iron | grear PerfDave -- thanks a lot !!! |
| 21:42.58 | DavidProck1981 | ither way it still dont |
| 21:43.23 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: Are you sure? Does "aptitude search 3d | grep nexuiz" not give any output? |
| 21:43.28 | Mark_Iron | great PerfDave ... :) |
| 21:43.35 | quintin | maybe I should just dist-upgrade to etch :P |
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| 21:44.06 | JordiGH | quintin: In a short while, that will bring you the stable release! |
| 21:44.06 | DimmuR | how can i setup font antialiasing in gnome? |
| 21:44.10 | JordiGH | !etch freeze |
| 21:44.16 | JordiGH | !freeze |
| 21:44.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, freeze is when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 21:44.25 | DavidProck1981 | but what if i did not know nexuiz was the name of the game and i want to search the discriptions what would i do |
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| 21:44.31 | arrenlex | eclipse-platform: Depends: libjsch-java (>= 0.1.28) but 0.1.19-3 is to be installed |
| 21:44.33 | arrenlex | ...It's been a long time since I've done math, since I'm on winter break right now. But I don't think this error is right. |
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| 21:44.44 | arrenlex | No, hold on. |
| 21:44.46 | arrenlex | I can't read. xD |
| 21:44.47 | arrenlex | Ignore me. |
| 21:44.52 | quintin | JordiGH: Real Soon Now.. yea right :P |
| 21:44.54 | arrenlex | *memo: 1 != 2* |
| 21:45.13 | enouf_ | aptitude update DavidProck1981 |
| 21:45.21 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: "aptitude search" searches descriptions. If "aptitude search 3d | grep nexuiz" is giving you output, then "aptitude search 3d" is showing nexuiz, but you can't see it. :-) |
| 21:45.25 | CrazednDazed | I got the debian netinst, very minimal system, and installed gnome. Whenever I try to logout out of the x server it brings me to a graphical login screen, and when I do ctrl alt backspace the x server will automatically start up again. Does anyone know how I can successfully log out of the gui? |
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| 21:45.42 | JordiGH | DavidProck1981: That is, your eyes can't find it amidst all the other output. |
| 21:45.47 | PerfDave | CrazednDazed: How do you log in to X? |
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| 21:45.57 | CrazednDazed | PerfDave: starts up automatically when I boot |
| 21:45.59 | DavidProck1981 | and actually NO "aptitude search 3d | grep nexuiz" did not give any out put , AND i have it installed now for that matter |
| 21:46.00 | quintin | CrazednDazed: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 21:46.13 | enouf_ | DavidProck1981: also apt-get install aptitude-doc-en IIRC |
| 21:46.26 | smacnay | CrazednDazed: as root you can kill the gdm by '/etc/init.d/gdm stop' |
| 21:46.44 | PerfDave | chemaja: What starts up automatically when you start? |
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| 21:47.13 | PerfDave | quintin: Well, you should have been helping fix bugs over the last few months! |
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| 21:48.20 | quintin | PerfDave: Please see http://qmrq.livejournal.com/ |
| 21:48.24 | quintin | PerfDave: 1st entry, I think |
| 21:49.02 | PerfDave | quintin: lua? |
| 21:49.03 | minerale | I just deleted some sensitive files, I think I should have done a `wipe` on them for security -- is there some way to `wipe` empty space on a ext2 fs ? |
| 21:49.13 | minerale | (is undlete / recovery possible in ext2 ? ) |
| 21:49.28 | quintin | PerfDave: it's a scripting language |
| 21:49.33 | PerfDave | quintin: What about it? |
| 21:49.40 | quintin | PerfDave: that's just to give you my view on you telling me to fix bugs ;) |
| 21:49.53 | quintin | minerale: yes. |
| 21:49.55 | infernix | minerale: not really. you could create some big files (cat /dev/random > /somewhere/bigfile) to overwrite the empty space though. |
| 21:50.00 | PerfDave | quintin: Don't complain about the damn release if you're not prepared to do anything to help. |
| 21:50.09 | PerfDave | minerale: Not sure about empty space, but shred is a useful tool generally. |
| 21:50.36 | Mark_Iron | PerfDave: do you know what debian channels are available ? |
| 21:50.48 | PerfDave | Mark_Iron: /query chanserv list *debian* |
| 21:50.50 | minerale | lets see, answers I got were yes, yes, not really and not sure =D |
| 21:50.55 | Mark_Iron | PerfDave: or how to find it out? |
| 21:51.00 | Mark_Iron | thanks |
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| 21:51.21 | quintin | Mark_Iron: burn disk in fire |
| 21:51.26 | quintin | Mark_Iron: data gone |
| 21:51.30 | afrosheen | who knows a thing or two about GRE tunneling |
| 21:51.32 | PerfDave | minerale: It is possible to recover sensitive data from any filesystem. |
| 21:51.52 | quintin | Mark_Iron: Mail the disk to me and I will take care of it for a small fee. <3 |
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| 21:52.45 | Mark_Iron | quintin: well ... it is not so quite easy ;-) |
| 21:52.58 | quintin | Mark_Iron: why not? :p |
| 21:53.07 | Guerin | quintin: by `small' you mean it has less than five 0s? |
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| 21:53.13 | PerfDave | minerale: In future, you might want to look at an encrypted filesystem using loop-aes or dm-crypt |
| 21:53.27 | Mark_Iron | well quintin ... I am bit creazy *g* |
| 21:53.29 | Guerin | rot13fs! |
| 21:53.43 | Guerin | or even more secure, rot14fs |
| 21:53.47 | PerfDave | Guerin: roflfs! |
| 21:53.49 | rahul | OMG |
| 21:54.04 | rahul | Guerin: you hax0r! |
| 21:54.06 | PerfDave | Oh yeah, that reminds me, I was setting up loop-aes |
| 21:54.21 | Guerin | PerfDave: ah yes. Encrypted with the Funnies Joke Ever Written ... and impossible to crack (without dying) |
| 21:54.22 | minerale | perfdave: I had truecrypt running, until I recompiled the kernel -- have not found out how to make a kernel module for it yet |
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| 21:54.48 | Guerin | truecrypt sounds like snake oil |
| 21:54.49 | Mark_Iron | quintin: but ... you could support me .. for a small fee ;-) |
| 21:55.19 | PerfDave | minerale: I found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/81 to be a good read |
| 21:55.27 | Guerin | just the name, I mean - no idea about the technology. It just *sounds* like some snake-oil crypto system for which you can buy a $thousands-per-year license |
| 21:56.15 | PerfDave | I had a read of http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 for dm-crypt, but I think that loop-aes is more flexible |
| 21:57.09 | rahul | Guerin: truedat |
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| 21:57.38 | quintin | Mark_Iron: hum... sure can! |
| 21:57.43 | Guerin | rahul: like that infinite-bit encryption schneier ridiculed some while back was called something similar to truecrypt |
| 21:57.44 | quintin | Mark_Iron: quintin@daecom.biz <3 |
| 21:57.58 | Guerin | quintin: proof! |
| 21:58.09 | quintin | Guerin: proof is in the pudding. |
| 21:58.19 | Guerin | quintin: give me ssl pudding, then! |
| 21:58.26 | quintin | Guerin: prefer chocolate. |
| 21:58.29 | Guerin | two flavours in only one pudding! |
| 21:58.31 | rahul | infinite bits? |
| 21:58.42 | quintin | Guerin: yes. it will be done soon :p |
| 21:58.45 | Guerin | rahul: it must be good! |
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| 21:58.52 | quintin | anyway, I've gotta go :P |
| 21:59.10 | rahul | Guerin: yeah... wtf. |
| 21:59.18 | chemaja | PerfDave: what? |
| 21:59.25 | yassine | any idea how i could list loaded modules from apache under debian normall i would use httpd -M but is there something similar in debian ? |
| 21:59.25 | Guerin | oh, that was called Super Cupher |
| 21:59.38 | PerfDave | chemaja: What? |
| 21:59.41 | Guerin | and it was used for that most critical application of ... P2P |
| 21:59.43 | chemaja | 06:38 < PerfDave> chemaja: What starts up automatically when you start? |
| 21:59.52 | Guerin | rahul: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/01/the_doghouse_su.html |
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| 22:00.02 | PerfDave | chemaja: Oh, sorry, mistab |
| 22:00.08 | rahul | Guerin: oh boy. I don't think I even want to know. |
| 22:00.11 | chemaja | PerfDave: i should have guessed :-\ |
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| 22:01.13 | Cald | hello |
| 22:02.16 | Cald | my hd is very busy because of many read access, is there a way to set priority on disc usage plz ? |
| 22:02.27 | Guerin | Cald: not really |
| 22:02.58 | Guerin | Cald: in principle, programs with higher nice get less-prioritised access |
| 22:03.19 | Guerin | but it depends on so many factors, the only really reliable way is `get faster disks' |
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| 22:03.45 | stew | Cald: are you swapping? |
| 22:04.05 | Cald | no |
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| 22:04.36 | pickcoder | Cald: are any applications managing their own file read/write buffering? |
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| 22:05.29 | helo | how do i tell what version of gcc was used to compile my kernel? |
| 22:05.35 | abrotman | cat /proc/version |
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| 22:06.11 | enouf_ | Cald for the drive in question 'hdparm -i /dev/hdX | grep udma' says what |
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| 22:06.48 | naitram | good tftp server for debian sarge |
| 22:07.28 | PerfDave | naitram: apt-cache search tftp server |
| 22:07.55 | naitram | PerfDave: yeah just seeing if someone had a preference |
| 22:08.07 | PerfDave | naitram: apt-cache search good tftp server # there isn't one! ONOZ! |
| 22:08.37 | Cald | "HDIO_GET_IDENTITY failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" |
| 22:08.44 | Cald | on sda |
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| 22:09.12 | pickcoder | Cald: SCSI? |
| 22:09.12 | enouf_ | Cald: as root |
| 22:09.34 | enouf_ | Cald: try sdparm |
| 22:09.40 | Cald | ok |
| 22:10.01 | PerfDave | Ooh, I never knew about that |
| 22:10.08 | Cald | sdparm doesn't exist |
| 22:10.20 | heatman | !cd contents |
| 22:10.21 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 22:10.22 | pickcoder | it's a different package |
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| 22:11.59 | enouf_ | Cald: you have to install it |
| 22:12.12 | iLLf8d | pickcoder, I read your nickname as pinkcoder at first =P |
| 22:12.38 | iLLf8d | must be sleepy still |
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| 22:12.58 | pickcoder | I've been called worse |
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| 22:14.50 | keith80403 | Once Etch is released as stable, how long will Sarge ISO's be available for download? |
| 22:15.17 | PerfDave | keith80403: Probably a long tim efrom archive sites |
| 22:15.39 | keith80403 | PerfDave, Thanks for the info. |
| 22:16.07 | Goyim | keith80403, that isnt going to be too far off is it? etch is really stable here, and works far better than sarge |
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| 22:16.27 | tosh| | set up postfix with virtual domains, it received the mail, queues it, removes it from the queue (from what I can see in mail.log), but no mail in the mailbox... any idea where to start looking? mail.* isn't really helpful. tried stracing the process but I seem to be missing what process I need that writes to disk |
| 22:16.44 | Cald | i have sdparm |
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| 22:17.18 | pickcoder | tosh|: wrong window |
| 22:17.26 | PerfDave | tosh|: Ask #postfix? |
| 22:17.29 | Cald | sdparm -i /dev/sda output nothing |
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| 22:18.08 | lws__ | what's the channel for etch? |
| 22:18.09 | keith80403 | Goyim, Probably not, will check out Etch when it's stable - is there a guess on Etch's release date? |
| 22:18.20 | stew | keith80403: /msg dpkg sarge pool |
| 22:18.23 | stew | err |
| 22:18.25 | pickcoder | lws__: here |
| 22:18.26 | stew | etch pool... |
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| 22:18.51 | keith80403 | Thanks Stew |
| 22:18.56 | Goyim | keith80403, I dont know, ive been using it here for a week and it is fantastic, im very surprised it isnt the stable release considering how outdated sarge is at this point |
| 22:19.24 | PerfDave | Goyim: Sarge isn't very outdated. |
| 22:19.46 | PerfDave | Etch isn't stable because it hasn't gone through the stable release process yet. It doesn't have security support. |
| 22:19.49 | keith80403 | Goyim, Well, Debian tests far more than other distros, so when something is stable, you can take that to the bank.....which is why I switched to Debian from a famous RPM based distro. |
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| 22:20.05 | Goyim | PerfDave, its outdated enough to look at it and go "god those packages are f(*&(ing old" and to have things like ndiswrapper simply not work anymore |
| 22:20.06 | PerfDave | Etch still has release-critical bugs and the installer hasn't been fully tested. |
| 22:20.21 | lws__ | pickcoder: Okay why is there a bunch of untrusted packages going through on etch? |
| 22:20.24 | PerfDave | Goyim: My Sarge systems are just fine. |
| 22:20.25 | Goyim | keith80403, I dont doubt you there. |
| 22:20.30 | Goyim | PerfDave, good for you. |
| 22:20.44 | stew | lws__: public key not found? /topic |
| 22:20.52 | PerfDave | Goyim: You can read about the Debian release process on http://www.debian.org/ - we don't declare a new release "stable" just because it's got newer software in. |
| 22:20.58 | lws__ | stew: I already took care of that a two weeks ago |
| 22:21.05 | pickcoder | it changed again |
| 22:21.05 | keith80403 | Goyim, Plenty of distros that haven't been properly tested, if people want to have a broken system to play with (-: |
| 22:21.13 | pickcoder | I had to reimport the keys again |
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| 22:21.15 | tosh| | PerfDave #postfix == #idleville :( |
| 22:21.33 | stew | lws__: put the exact command you are typing and the exact output into a pastebin |
| 22:21.51 | lws__ | stew: what does this mean: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/testing/main/source/SourcesIndex MD5Sum mismatch |
| 22:22.00 | Goyim | keith80403, yeah I hear you there, plenty of stuff out there to play with, but so far ive found debian to be the easiest to use and most stable |
| 22:22.29 | stew | lws__: maybe a bad mirror pulse, try a different mirror |
| 22:23.16 | PerfDave | keith80403: In answer to your original question, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#old |
| 22:23.22 | keith80403 | Goyim, Agreed. Debian is the best.....now I'm off to try and configure a firewall. |
| 22:23.23 | lws__ | stew: what does that mean? |
| 22:23.30 | keith80403 | PerfDave, Great, will check that URL - thanks. |
| 22:23.39 | r4sput1n | Understanding that there are some RC-bugs yet to clean up in etch, is there an updated projection to it's release, as I can find a number of articles from Jun/Jul timeframe stating Dec. Is that still on? |
| 22:24.19 | Goyim | r4sput1n, I sure hope so, etch is going to be bad ass as stable. |
| 22:24.30 | PerfDave | r4sput1n: Etch has just gone into freeze, which means that it shouldn't be more than a month or two away, depending on how many people help out squashing bugs. |
| 22:25.01 | stew | lws__: possibly the last time that mirrors.kernel.org was updated from the debian ftp-master, something went wrong. try a differnent mirror, or wait until tomorrow |
| 22:25.16 | lws__ | stew: doh |
| 22:25.24 | r4sput1n | PerfDave: that is good to hear |
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| 22:30.45 | SLi | Hey. Wondered if anyone can help me fix things. I think I might have misconfigured something. I clearly remember getting big warnings and a _question_ that allows me to break off when installing a kernel that replaces the currently running version. But nowadays when I upgrade packages (interactively from aptitude), it only _tells_ me that "going to replace running kernel, reboot soon". I want it to ask so I can say no. |
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| 22:31.21 | tuvwx | so there are ipw2200-modules binary packages now although ipw2200 is included in the kernel? |
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| 22:32.00 | bigwig | thanks all, bye |
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| 22:33.24 | Cald | would kernel 2.6 manage disc usage, by using process priority, better than kernel 2.4 plz ? |
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| 22:34.06 | pickcoder | Cald: do you have any applications that handle file I/O buffering internally? |
| 22:34.37 | Cald | i don't know, what do you mean ? |
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| 22:36.03 | pickcoder | Cald: never mind. disk thrashing can happen when the linux file flusher competes with an application's file flusher |
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| 22:36.18 | pickcoder | if it's used to doing raw I/O |
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| 22:40.46 | klikklak | again on the lirc configuration: I don't get it, I've set up lircd.conf and hardware.conf correctly (well I think they're correct), but when I start irw I don't get any signals. Any hints? |
| 22:42.35 | klikklak | damn, I'm back to connection refused now.. atleast I got over that before. |
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| 22:43.19 | klikklak | hrm, ignore the last line |
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| 22:44.42 | klikklak | lirc wouldn't happen to have a help channel? |
| 22:44.51 | lacin | hi, Any body know why Bluetooth don't work in Testing? |
| 22:45.14 | PerfDave | klikklak: /query chanserv list *lirc* |
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| 22:45.41 | PerfDave | lacin: What do you mean, "doesn't work"? |
| 22:47.05 | lacin | PerfDave, When I use gnome-phone-manager, and ask me about PIN code I get that code but my phone tell me Connection Error! |
| 22:47.51 | pickcoder | lacin: is your bluetooth dongle supported? |
| 22:47.55 | lacin | PerfDave, I try with rfcomm connecet /dev/rfcomm0 00:16:BC:01:63:CD but:: Can't connect RFCOMM socket: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 22:48.49 | lacin | pickcoder, yah, I use it in My Ubuntu (on Work) and in my Etch before last weeks update |
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| 22:49.08 | pickcoder | lacin: lsof | grep rcomm |
| 22:49.17 | pickcoder | rfcomm |
| 22:49.25 | pickcoder | is something else using the device? |
| 22:49.33 | PerfDave | lacin: See, I don't know anything about Bluetooth, but when you give more detail than "it doesn't work", then people are more likely to help you ;) |
| 22:49.36 | sdubois92 | hey everyone, i just installed debian, i have no idea what to do, i need to get X, Afterstep and some login manager (preferably wdm) |
| 22:49.57 | PerfDave | sdubois92: Did you read the Installation Manual? |
| 22:50.04 | karsten | sdubois92: s/Afterstep/wmaker/ |
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| 22:50.11 | sdubois92 | yes, it wasnt much help |
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| 22:50.19 | karsten | sdubois92: Tried with your eyes open? |
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| 22:50.31 | sizzam | as a new to Debian (not new to linux) user, what version of Debian should i go with? |
| 22:50.32 | sdubois92 | yes, i dont do well with manuals |
| 22:50.36 | sdubois92 | they are too impressional |
| 22:50.42 | lacin | pickcoder, Sorry, but what's mean of "is something else using the device?" Use of My USB dongle or my phone? |
| 22:50.52 | PerfDave | sdubois92: If you didn't choose to install X etc. during the installation process, you'll need to search for and install the packages you want. |
| 22:50.59 | lacin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.16 | sdubois92 | is it apt-get intsall x-window-system? |
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| 22:51.29 | lacin | root@dizustu:# lsof | grep rcomm |
| 22:51.29 | lacin | root@dizustu:# |
| 22:51.31 | pickcoder | lacin: rfcomm no rcomm |
| 22:51.34 | pickcoder | s/no/not |
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| 22:51.40 | zecrazytux | hey |
| 22:51.45 | karsten | sdubois92: "apt-cache show <packagename>" will give you a full package description. |
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| 22:52.00 | PerfDave | sizzam: Sarge is the current stable release. The software is about 18 months old, still perfectly usable, and has security updates. Etch will be the next release. It has newer, shinier software, still has a bug or two, but may be easier to install etc. |
| 22:52.05 | klikklak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.12 | klikklak | duh |
| 22:52.14 | lacin | pickcoder, Can I paste here? if note where? ;) |
| 22:52.17 | zrin | sizzam: probably etch? |
| 22:52.24 | sizzam | PerfDave, thanks. does the majority of the debian community use sarge? |
| 22:52.30 | pickcoder | lacin: look and see what has /dev/rfcomm0 open |
| 22:52.34 | PerfDave | sizzam: I expect so. |
| 22:52.50 | karsten | !tell lacin about paste |
| 22:52.53 | pickcoder | lacin: use a pastebin or paste in #flood |
| 22:53.06 | karsten | pickcoder: Except for the part about #flood |
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| 22:53.20 | pickcoder | eh? |
| 22:53.22 | karsten | pickcoder: Seriously, pastebins are vastly superior. |
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| 22:53.36 | pickcoder | yes, unless you have no option but to paste using your irc client |
| 22:53.49 | lacin | pickcoder, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4779 |
| 22:53.54 | blondie | pickcoder: that's not very likely. |
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| 22:54.18 | karsten | pickcoder: /msg dpkg paste without x |
| 22:54.28 | pickcoder | blondie: #flood wouldn't exist if it wasn't needed.. right? |
| 22:54.32 | karsten | pickcoder: Unless port 80 is blocked (and 6669 is open) that's pretty rare. |
| 22:54.38 | blondie | pickcoder: laziness |
| 22:54.41 | karsten | pickcoder: #flood was somewhat useful at one point. |
| 22:54.46 | PerfDave | pickcoder: Ubuntu exists and it's not needed ;) |
| 22:54.52 | blondie | haha |
| 22:54.54 | zecrazytux | lol |
| 22:54.55 | pickcoder | PerfDave: point taken |
| 22:54.57 | heatman | lol |
| 22:55.07 | karsten | pickcoder: It's slow, difficult, doesn't scale to multiple users, and you've got to get someone there to help you as well. |
| 22:55.14 | zrin | sizzam: if you need new samba / cups / lvm / bash / udev / drivers ... etch might be a better choice |
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| 22:55.38 | karsten | pickcoder: It's OK for longer sessions where interactive output is useful, but only just. |
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| 22:56.02 | pickcoder | lacin: from lsof, it looks like nothing has /dev/rfcomm0 open |
| 22:56.27 | zecrazytux | anybody there know what is the sd card driver in pdaxrom, the pda oriented distro |
| 22:56.40 | lacin | pickcoder, and what can I do? |
| 22:56.45 | blondie | zecrazytux: wrong channel |
| 22:56.49 | zecrazytux | i cant find the sdhci driver nor mmc_block etc |
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| 22:57.02 | pickcoder | lacin: I dunno. Maybe someone that has setup your bluetooth hardware can help |
| 22:57.09 | karsten | !tell zecrazytux about not debian |
| 22:57.22 | zecrazytux | ok sorry, though somebody could know has its debian based |
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| 22:57.27 | karsten | zecrazytux: ... and possibly not evian debian based packages. |
| 22:57.41 | zecrazytux | nop, it is |
| 22:57.46 | lacin | pickcoder, tnx ;-) |
| 22:57.58 | karsten | zecrazytux: See prior statement than. |
| 22:57.58 | blondie | zecrazytux: orly. |
| 22:58.01 | pickcoder | lacin: it could be a bug.. did you search bugs.debian.org? |
| 22:58.18 | lacin | pickcoder, no |
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| 22:58.48 | lacin | pickcoder, but now I'm going to search. |
| 22:59.00 | sdubois92 | when i do "startx" it says no devices detected |
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| 22:59.18 | PerfDave | !no devices detected |
| 22:59.24 | PerfDave | Bah, stupid bot |
| 22:59.26 | sdubois92 | no screens found |
| 22:59.32 | PerfDave | !no screens found |
| 22:59.33 | dpkg | no screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE), or - ask me about "troubleshooting x". |
| 23:00.00 | pickcoder | sdubois92: did you install an appropriate xserver-xorg-video package for your video card? |
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| 23:00.16 | PerfDave | sizzam: In answer to your previous question, http://popcon.debian.org/ and http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=popularity-contest&searchon=names&version=all&release=all suggest that more people run Etch / Sid than Sarge, but that's probably misleading since Etch recommends you install popularity-contest and Sarge doesn't. |
| 23:01.22 | pickcoder | and sometimes it installs it even though you say you don't want to |
| 23:01.26 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 23:02.18 | sizzam | thanks PerfDave |
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| 23:03.30 | sobersabre | hi. does anybody here use bioapi and a fingertip scanner device ? |
| 23:03.42 | sobersabre | to login into debian system ... |
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| 23:12.08 | helo_ | whenever i start ivman, it automounts all devices that are currently plugged in... and it will unmount whenever i unplug them... but any new devices are ignored |
| 23:12.18 | helo_ | anyone know why this might be happening? |
| 23:12.52 | stew | helo_: run ivman --debug --nofork ; plug in a device and put the output into a pastebin |
| 23:13.51 | helo_ | nothing is output when i plug in a new device |
| 23:13.55 | helo_ | it just ignores it completely |
| 23:14.06 | stew | helo_: what version of ivman, what version of hal? |
| 23:14.09 | helo_ | i've tried usb compactflash drive and a thumb drive |
| 23:14.35 | Dheeraj_1 | PerfDave: one of the exprienced linux user told me that vanilla kernel do support ntfs read and write [quote] NTFS-Write support (no matter how half baked it is) has been in official kernel since I don't remember when. On the other hand...the other user jelly-home just told you about a better solution for NTFS write i.e. ntfs-3g. [/quote] |
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| 23:14.42 | Dheeraj_1 | http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27942&page=2 |
| 23:14.47 | helo_ | ivman 0.6.12, hal 0.5.8.1-4 |
| 23:15.06 | stew | helo_: what version does "dpkg -l ivman" report? |
| 23:15.41 | helo_ | 0.6.12-5 |
| 23:15.53 | helo_ | i'm pretty up to date :) |
| 23:16.06 | helo_ | hopefully that isn't a bad thing... |
| 23:16.17 | stew | helo_: yes, that is the latest |
| 23:16.32 | stew | helo_: run "lshal --monitor" and plug in the device, tell me what gets printed |
| 23:16.36 | stew | helo_: (use a pastebin) |
| 23:17.19 | stew | !info hal etch |
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| 23:17.27 | dpkg | hal: (Hardware Abstraction Layer), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.5.8.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 512 kB, Installed size: 1396 kB |
| 23:18.03 | helo_ | once again, no output when i plug in either of my usb drives |
| 23:18.29 | stew | helo_: well its a hal problem then. ivman can't do anything unless hal tells it about the device |
| 23:18.31 | helo_ | so hal isn't picking it up... i do see the drive mentioned in dmesg |
| 23:18.55 | stew | yeah |
| 23:18.56 | stew | helo_: does hal-device-manager find it? |
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| 23:20.03 | helo_ | i have hal-device |
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| 23:20.12 | lisa__ | hi@all |
| 23:20.14 | helo_ | should i be looking in dmesg for what finds the device? |
| 23:20.17 | lisa__ | i've got a problem with the wxvlc under debian stabl |
| 23:20.18 | lisa__ | e |
| 23:20.24 | lisa__ | my fonts are are little bit...small^^ |
| 23:20.47 | stew | helo_: you could look through hal-device to see if its listed there, hal-device-manager is a nicer clicky interface |
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| 23:21.46 | stew | helo_: maybe try a "/etc/init.d/dbus restart" (grasping at straws now) |
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| 23:23.19 | aztracker1 | is it possible to just switch my apt repositories from ubuntu edgy, to debian? |
| 23:23.35 | PerfDave | aztracker1: Yes, but you'll probably break your system seven ways from sunday. |
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| 23:23.58 | PerfDave | aztracker1: Debian and Ubuntu don't use compatiable package names or versions. You'll end up with a horrible mess that nobody will be willing or able to help you with. |
| 23:24.04 | aztracker1 | PerfDave, okay.. was curious.. I wind up using a few .deb's from the debian side, because ubuntu doesn't keep up as well with mono. |
| 23:24.28 | aztracker1 | didn't want to reinstall if I could avoid it.. |
| 23:24.30 | Dheeraj_k | PerfDave: http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27942&page=2 pls read this 1 |
| 23:25.06 | helo_ | stew: that actually did it :P |
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| 23:25.27 | sll | grave bugs of apt (0.6.46.3 -> 0.6.46.4) apt-get segfaults during Debian installation |
| 23:25.45 | Dheeraj_k | PerfDave: users in that forum r saying that vanilla kernel support read and write from long time |
| 23:25.48 | PerfDave | aztracker1: IIRC there's an Ubuntu repository for "side-ported" Debian packages - the Debian source compiled against the Ubuntu libraries. You'll want to ask #ubuntu about it. |
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| 23:26.24 | sll | i use debian amd64 testing, and when i update the system apears this erros -->> grave bugs of apt (0.6.46.3 -> 0.6.46.4) apt-get segfaults during Debian installation |
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| 23:26.56 | Guerin | sll: see? apt-listbugs is good. |
| 23:26.56 | PerfDave | sll: You've got apt-listbugs installed? Have you checked the BTS? Does it affect the version you're about to install? |
| 23:27.30 | Guerin | aside from anything, that doesn't prevent you from using aptitude |
| 23:27.46 | aztracker1 | PerfDave, thx |
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| 23:29.17 | Dheeraj_k | PerfDave: this is wat they said after reading our conversation [quote] eddie: That PerfDave kid is stupid...NTFS-Write support (no matter how half baked it is) has been in official kernel since I don't remember when. On the other hand...the other user jelly-home just told you about a better solution for NTFS write i.e. ntfs-3g. [/quote] thats why i came here to ask u whether they r wrong or right :p |
| 23:29.23 | sll | yes I have apt-listbugs installed, how can I check BTS? |
| 23:29.29 | Guerin | sll: bugs.debian.org |
| 23:29.37 | Dheeraj_k | and here is the link http://www.thinkdigit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=363981&postcount=26 |
| 23:30.18 | Guerin | Dheeraj_k: it's not half-baked, it's completely nonfunctional. |
| 23:31.17 | Dheeraj_k | Guerin: that means what they said in thinkdigit is wrong? |
| 23:31.56 | Guerin | Dheeraj_k: it's technically right - there IS what they call ntfs-write in kernel. It's just utterly fucking useless. |
| 23:31.57 | Guerin | Dheeraj_k: *utterly* |
| 23:33.21 | Dheeraj_k | Guerin: hmm so partially supported right? |
| 23:33.22 | helo_ | stew: it worked once after i restarted dbus, but now it's not showing the device any more, in lshal or hal-device |
| 23:33.51 | helo_ | stew: each time i restart dbus, i will mount and unmount properly once, then not again |
| 23:34.21 | Guerin | Dheeraj_k: well, a very small part. The driver can't create or delete files, and can't change the size of a file. But you could change a file containing `bar' to `foo' as long as the size remained identical, for instance. |
| 23:34.28 | Guerin | if that's useful to you ... |
| 23:35.45 | Dheeraj_k | Guerin: actually they said that i can edit, delete,move, rename file in ntfs if i am using vanilla kernel |
| 23:35.53 | Guerin | Dheeraj_k: that's very new, then. |
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| 23:36.19 | helo_ | last i heard, you could only change bits in existing files, not add new bits or remove them |
| 23:36.27 | sobersabre | guys a pam question |
| 23:36.32 | Guerin | the corollary being: new and experimental technology is usually a bad thing with data you don't hate |
| 23:36.33 | rahul | that was 5 years ago |
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| 23:36.44 | sobersabre | I have a pam module that interacts with a biometric hardware |
| 23:36.58 | Guerin | sll: not a question |
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| 23:37.03 | Guerin | sobersabre: not a question |
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| 23:37.30 | sobersabre | I fail to login, something in the log. |
| 23:37.31 | helo_ | rahul: it was? |
| 23:37.35 | rahul | yes |
| 23:37.39 | sobersabre | the error is: |
| 23:37.56 | sll | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401980 |
| 23:38.17 | rahul | last I remember, they brought in some real support for ntfs, but you needed to run something to fix the data up a bit before booting into windows |
| 23:38.19 | helo_ | rahul: in 2.6.18's make menuconfig, under the "ntfs write support" it says "The only supported operation is overwriting existing files, without changing the file length." |
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| 23:38.36 | sobersabre | pam_bioapi[4038]: DEBUG: "SELECT uid,header,data,signature FROM biodata WHERE uuid == '' blablablablabla' ; " |
| 23:38.48 | rahul | helo_: shrug... |
| 23:38.49 | sobersabre | anyway, the module seems to query a DB |
| 23:38.56 | Guerin | sobersabre: seems to. |
| 23:39.20 | sobersabre | is there a standard pam auth. schema for such DBs ? |
| 23:39.33 | Guerin | pam can talk to sql databased |
| 23:39.35 | Guerin | ses |
| 23:39.53 | sobersabre | the err is: 'Can't open database: unable to open database file' |
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| 23:40.04 | sobersabre | it tries to. |
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| 23:40.26 | Dheeraj_k | Guerin: actually the post which confused me was this [quote]tech_your_future:: you need the ntfs write enabled in the kernel, which came after 2.6.17 and Dapper has 2.6.15 kernel and I don't think ubuntu has anyway enabled write access to ntfs in 2.6.15 kernel by some patches. [/quote] it was posted by very exprienced linux user |
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| 23:40.33 | Braden` | Hello |
| 23:40.48 | Braden` | Is there a trick to getting the nvidia drivers to install on debian? |
| 23:40.54 | Braden` | Because I'm not having much luck |
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| 23:41.07 | Guerin | Braden`: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 23:41.12 | Guerin | Braden`: currently not in etch |
| 23:41.18 | Guerin | sobersabre: i have auth required pam_mysql.so user=postfix passwd=postfix host=localhost db=postfix table=mailbox |
| 23:41.22 | Guerin | usercolumn=username passwdcolumn=password crypt=0 |
| 23:41.32 | Guerin | sobersabre: in my /etc/pam.d/smtp, for instance |
| 23:42.01 | Guerin | sobersabre: you probably need something similar in whatever biometric file pam is set to use |
| 23:42.05 | sobersabre | Guerin, what I am missing is: who should create this DB, and maintain it |
| 23:42.07 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:42.14 | Guerin | sobersabre: you? |
| 23:42.17 | Guerin | your admin? |
| 23:42.24 | sobersabre | I mean the bioapi knows to create .bir files |
| 23:42.44 | sobersabre | and the pam module tries to use the DB. |
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| 23:43.03 | sobersabre | what was the logic behind the implementation ? |
| 23:43.03 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:43.03 | Guerin | !htfswk sobersabre |
| 23:43.03 | dpkg | sobersabre: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 23:43.30 | sobersabre | htfsik, and that's why I am here. |
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| 23:43.44 | Guerin | sobersabre: is the implementation documented? |
| 23:43.52 | Guerin | (and if not, why are you using it?) |
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| 23:45.43 | sobersabre | Guerin I found what I have missed :) |
| 23:45.54 | sobersabre | I read not the library's README. |
| 23:46.09 | sobersabre | the lib's README had explanation on how to avoid the DB usage |
| 23:46.22 | sobersabre | it works! |
| 23:46.23 | sobersabre | :) |
| 23:46.27 | Guerin | amazing. |
| 23:46.29 | helo_ | ok, here's my ivman output when it mounts my thumb drive for the first time, after which it isn't notified by hal of any subsequent pluggings-in: http://pastebin.ca/276045 |
| 23:46.40 | Malagmyr | !hump Guerin |
| 23:47.08 | sobersabre | Guerin, it is not amazing, but nice: finger tip scanner works under linux... |
| 23:47.17 | Braden` | Wow |
| 23:47.20 | Braden` | That worked great |
| 23:47.22 | Braden` | Thanks! |
| 23:50.33 | Guerin | Braden`: winnar! |
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| 23:53.56 | Braden` | Hmm |
| 23:54.38 | Braden` | Whenever I am in xwindows, the text for dropdown menues, the kde menu, the gnome applications menu..... The text on the dropdown boxes all dissapears. |
| 23:55.24 | Guerin | Braden`: oo, font breakage? |
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| 23:57.39 | goodshit | Anyone use nagios? Can someone help me out here, is there a way to monitor website with http request instead of just using the ping. Anyone know how to do this, I really need to monitor my website with http request to see if its down or not. thanks.. |
| 23:58.21 | tosh| | courier-imapd/pop3d or dovecot? I'm looking for virtual domains and security |
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| 23:58.59 | Guerin | tosh|: i use courier, and it's great - but people also love dovecot and apparently it's easier to set up |
| 23:59.22 | Guerin | tosh|: courier's sasl auth functionality is black magic voodoo |
| 23:59.35 | Guerin | (well, not really, but it's not far from) |
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