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| 00:00.11 | lisa_ | hi@all |
| 00:00.21 | lisa_ | my x-server doesn't want to start |
| 00:00.25 | lisa_ | (stable) |
| 00:00.31 | Guerin | lisa_: tell it you're serious |
| 00:00.39 | lisa_ | xlib: no protocol specified |
| 00:01.01 | Guerin | lisa_: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 00:02.40 | lisa_ | but it worked some minutes ago, until i restarted it |
| 00:03.06 | rahul | kick it |
| 00:04.15 | rahul | did you upgrade any packages? |
| 00:04.36 | lisa_ | no...just isntalled xdm |
| 00:04.41 | lisa_ | and that works^^ |
| 00:05.02 | rahul | so what's wrong? |
| 00:05.09 | lisa_ | xdm? |
| 00:05.12 | lisa_ | =P |
| 00:05.27 | rahul | ... "and that works"\ |
| 00:05.45 | lisa_ | yes, but it must have something to do with it, or not? |
| 00:05.54 | rahul | ... |
| 00:05.57 | rahul | with what? |
| 00:06.01 | lisa_ | xdm |
| 00:06.02 | rahul | the fact that xdm works? |
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| 00:06.14 | Guerin | lisa: answer the following questions yes/no: |
| 00:06.16 | lisa_ | because it's the only important x-thing i've installed |
| 00:06.17 | lisa_ | ^^ |
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| 00:06.22 | Guerin | lisa_: does xdm start the x server? |
| 00:06.30 | Guerin | lisa_: does startx start the x server? |
| 00:06.31 | lisa_ | dunno, i think yes |
| 00:06.33 | bintut | how can i edit a pdf file? |
| 00:06.36 | Guerin | !think |
| 00:06.36 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 00:06.43 | lisa_ | kk, yes, both^^ |
| 00:06.44 | Guerin | Braden`: you can't, get the source. |
| 00:06.49 | rahul | bintut: with difficulty |
| 00:06.53 | Guerin | lisa_: then X is working,m be happy. |
| 00:06.58 | bintut | rahul: what do you mean? |
| 00:06.59 | lisa_ | lol |
| 00:07.01 | Guerin | bintut: you can't, get the source. |
| 00:07.08 | lisa_ | and why is openbox not working anymore?^^ |
| 00:07.12 | rahul | bintut: what I say |
| 00:07.29 | rahul | lisa_: what IS working, and what is NOT working? |
| 00:07.31 | bintut | Guerin: ok |
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| 00:07.45 | Guerin | lisa_: kill xdm, delete your .[xX]{session,initrc} files |
| 00:07.51 | bronaugh | ugh; anyone used gfortran here? |
| 00:08.02 | rahul | bronaugh: why would anyone? |
| 00:08.08 | Guerin | lisa_: then echo exec openbox > ~/.xsession && startx |
| 00:08.17 | bronaugh | rahul: some people have strange ideas. |
| 00:08.20 | rahul | bronaugh: you could probably get better performance with f2cl |
| 00:08.28 | rahul | (atop sbcl) |
| 00:08.32 | lisa_ | Guerin: kk, i'll try |
| 00:08.37 | Malagmyr | What kind of ram fits into an SD-RAM slot, but has chips on both sides of the board and makes the BIOS go beep-beep-beep and not boot? Got 3 of those chips here... |
| 00:08.42 | bronaugh | rahul: ok, but what if I need to compile fortran 90? |
| 00:08.53 | rahul | bronaugh: why do you need to? |
| 00:09.06 | rahul | bronaugh: random people don't need to use fortran code |
| 00:09.06 | bronaugh | because I need to use a particular program which is written in fortran 90. |
| 00:09.14 | Guerin | bintut: those programs which claim to allow you to edit a pdf actually convert it to postscript or something else, then convert your editions back into the pdf |
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| 00:09.20 | Guerin | bintut: causing broken pdfs |
| 00:09.20 | bronaugh | cru2nc.f90 if you're curious. |
| 00:09.36 | streuner | Where is 'Md'? |
| 00:09.43 | Guerin | bintut: you can approximate this functionality by converting the pdf to latex, xml, html, or whatever, then back into pdf |
| 00:09.58 | Guerin | streuner: Maryland, near washington DC |
| 00:10.05 | rahul | bronaugh: "Good luck !" |
| 00:10.12 | Guerin | streuner: i guess |
| 00:10.15 | bronaugh | rahul: so you have no clue. |
| 00:10.20 | bintut | Guerin: yeah.. a complicated steps to be done.. :( |
| 00:10.21 | h3sp4wn | Malagmyr: Could be ECC |
| 00:10.22 | rahul | bronaugh: no, the author says that |
| 00:10.23 | bronaugh | because I'm getting link errors linking the thing to NetCDF. |
| 00:10.34 | Guerin | bintut: by far and away the simplest is to get the source. |
| 00:10.34 | cast | heh |
| 00:10.38 | bronaugh | rahul: and who's the author? |
| 00:10.41 | lisa_ | Guerin: kk, thx, it works again^^ |
| 00:10.44 | lisa_ | cya@all |
| 00:10.47 | Guerin | lisa_: huzzah! |
| 00:10.48 | rahul | Jan Polcher |
| 00:10.58 | bintut | Guerin: yeah.. thanks.. |
| 00:11.10 | infernix | load average: 139.78. looks like i need to kick some programmer ass |
| 00:11.17 | bronaugh | rahul: from what I've read it at least sort of works in gcc-4.2.0. |
| 00:11.32 | Guerin | infernix: don't go kicking ass on load average alone |
| 00:11.35 | rahul | bronaugh: I assume you have a specific quesiton |
| 00:11.36 | streuner | Guerin: no, Marco |
| 00:11.40 | bronaugh | rahul: and the first version you should consider using is gcc-4.1.1 which is what I have. |
| 00:11.47 | rpc | i wonder where should i turn to, to buy a class C of ip addresses... does anyone know of a company that can fix me that? not even sure where to ask my question, thought debian people may know... |
| 00:11.48 | Guerin | streuner: ?? |
| 00:12.01 | streuner | Guerin: udev maintainer |
| 00:12.03 | rahul | rpc: your ISP |
| 00:12.05 | infernix | Guerin: it's not CPU, pure disk IO waiting. bad, bad debug code |
| 00:12.05 | Guerin | rpc: IANA or RIPE or whoever your local is might |
| 00:12.14 | bronaugh | http://rafb.net/paste/results/2rQgPJ91.html |
| 00:12.21 | rpc | rahul they won't, i asked already |
| 00:12.22 | Guerin | streuner: oh. |
| 00:12.25 | bronaugh | rahul: there's the problem. I try to link the code to netcdf, it fails to link. |
| 00:12.34 | Guerin | rpc: why not? |
| 00:12.36 | rahul | rpc: then you'll never get the block routed to you |
| 00:12.45 | rpc | Guerin but should one run a company to get whole class C? or is it possible to just request this to anyone? |
| 00:12.45 | streuner | Guerin: he isn't on any debian channel... (http://searchirc.com/whois/md) |
| 00:12.49 | Guerin | rpc: you do normally have to jusify your need quite extensively |
| 00:12.57 | cast | bronaugh: i was about to use ifort though, mmmm. but i'm interested solely in performance |
| 00:13.02 | rahul | rpc: why do you need 255 IP addresses? |
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| 00:13.13 | bronaugh | cast: I'm mostly interested in this damned thing compiling. |
| 00:13.14 | rpc | i would rather pay for that than justify my needs forever |
| 00:13.16 | bronaugh | so that I can use it. |
| 00:13.17 | rahul | bronaugh: .... and that's all you know? |
| 00:13.18 | Guerin | streuner: unsurprising. SUggest debian-devel mailing list. |
| 00:13.23 | dob1 | hi, there is some way to install java 6 with java-package? |
| 00:13.31 | rpc | rahul it's impossible to explain in public :) |
| 00:13.33 | bronaugh | rahul: I've tried a bunch of variations on that command line. |
| 00:13.35 | Guerin | rpc: but you can't buy it without justifying your need. |
| 00:13.38 | streuner | Guerin: fuck, i didn't read those the last months |
| 00:13.51 | Guerin | rpc: though if you're happy to pay, you could get a PR firm to write you up a justification |
| 00:13.54 | rpc | Guerin do i need to justify my needs when e.g. buying a line? |
| 00:13.58 | rahul | rpc: um.. right |
| 00:14.05 | rahul | rpc: IP addresses are a shared resource |
| 00:14.11 | rpc | i will pay for usage |
| 00:14.15 | bronaugh | rahul: all of them fail. however, the normal libraries' symbols all get pulled in. |
| 00:14.16 | Guerin | rpc: buying a line is different to buying a block. IP address blocks are limited allocation. |
| 00:14.16 | rahul | rpc: do you need to justify your needs when launching a satellite? |
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| 00:14.20 | rpc | and of course nothing illegal |
| 00:14.31 | rpc | rahul yes but that's quite different |
| 00:14.35 | rahul | rpc: no, it's not |
| 00:14.41 | Guerin | rpc: no, it's entitrely analogous. |
| 00:14.48 | rpc | rahul it's like asking me why do i want my Inet line connected and why do i want more than 128kbps |
| 00:14.54 | rahul | rpc: no |
| 00:14.59 | Guerin | rpc: satellites cross boundaries, and occupy shared space and resources. So do IP addresses. |
| 00:15.07 | rahul | rpc: it's like asking why do you want to take away a shared resource from others |
| 00:15.14 | rpc | ok, so i i just tell them that i run a shell company, is that enough? |
| 00:15.17 | rpc | if* |
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| 00:15.26 | CHodapp | do they know what a shell company is? |
| 00:15.27 | rahul | rpc: no |
| 00:15.34 | Guerin | well, *I* certainly wouldn't give you a class C based on the appaling lack of understanding you have of the internet protocol. |
| 00:15.40 | rahul | rpc: you need to justify WHY you need SO MANY IP addresses |
| 00:15.45 | bronaugh | rahul: anyhow... a) do you have any further questions? b) is there any other information I can provide you, and c) do you have any idea what's going on, and how I might remedy it? |
| 00:15.50 | jelly-home | rpc: I work at an ISP, and most of our leased-line customers get a /29 range (8 ips, 6 usable) |
| 00:15.53 | rpc | that's quite crazy i believe |
| 00:15.55 | rahul | yes, people who request class Cs shouldn't get them :) |
| 00:16.06 | Guerin | rpc: you have to EXPLAIN WHY you need it, and DEMONSTRATE your explanation's veracity. |
| 00:16.09 | rpc | hm |
| 00:16.11 | rahul | if they deserve a class C, they won't call it a class C |
| 00:16.14 | Guerin | rpc: there are VERY FEW |
| 00:16.31 | Guerin | rpc: if you wanted a whole bunch of ipv6 addresses, fine. There are quadrizillions. |
| 00:16.36 | rpc | ok how about renting class C? from someone who got alot of those |
| 00:16.38 | rahul | bronaugh: are you linking to the lib in the end? |
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| 00:16.51 | rahul | rpc: who would do that? |
| 00:16.56 | rpc | as i really can't justify my needs for whole class C for now |
| 00:16.58 | rahul | what would it mean to "rent" it |
| 00:17.03 | rahul | rpc: then you won't get it |
| 00:17.03 | Guerin | rpc: can't be sublet or assigned without going through the authorities either, for the same reasons. |
| 00:17.07 | rpc | to pay for using them monthly |
| 00:17.07 | Guerin | honestly |
| 00:17.11 | bronaugh | rahul: did you see the paste? http://rafb.net/paste/results/2rQgPJ91.html |
| 00:17.16 | Guerin | you don't need this many addresses. |
| 00:17.17 | infernix | rpc: ISPs need to request C classes. you need to be an ISP or offer internet services to be able to request them, and you need to argument your request properly. a colocation company which assigns ips to colocated servers comes to mind; you usually can get those deals if you rent a rack or a suite |
| 00:17.21 | bronaugh | rahul: that is the linking step, which is where it fails. |
| 00:17.36 | rpc | so why shell companies get whole class C without problems? |
| 00:17.40 | rpc | they basically don't need that too |
| 00:17.53 | Guerin | rpc: they don't ... unless they can demonstrate need. |
| 00:18.01 | rpc | Guerin i know of a few that do |
| 00:18.04 | infernix | rpc:because they can argue that they do; another example is SSL websites, since SSL certificates do not mix with virtual hosts |
| 00:18.10 | rpc | and they have only 3-4 servers |
| 00:18.16 | bronaugh | Guerin: does Apple need its /8? |
| 00:18.16 | bronaugh | no. |
| 00:18.17 | Guerin | rpc: they demonstrated need, i guarantee it. Or they're working illegally. |
| 00:18.17 | infernix | rpc: so for 250 SSL sites you need 250 IPs. |
| 00:18.22 | bronaugh | does GE? no. |
| 00:18.24 | rahul | rpc: so ask those same people |
| 00:18.27 | rpc | infernix... hmm... |
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| 00:18.36 | Guerin | bronaugh: it's not whether it *does* need it - it's whether it *demonstrated* need for it. |
| 00:18.46 | Guerin | this is my point |
| 00:18.48 | rpc | your kind explanations are just great, love you all guys |
| 00:18.49 | bronaugh | so... in both cases, no and no? |
| 00:18.52 | jelly-home | bronaugh: the pre-assigned classes are a whole different story though |
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| 00:18.55 | bronaugh | and they have those ranges because of history? |
| 00:19.00 | Guerin | you don't need to *need* a block ... you only need to *demonstrate* need |
| 00:19.00 | rahul | rpc: if you know how to do it, go do it |
| 00:19.02 | rpc | i have learned my lesson well he he |
| 00:19.03 | infernix | rpc: there are many ways to be creative there, but bottom line is that if there's no actual use involved, it is not allowed to just request IPs |
| 00:19.19 | Guerin | and in any case, those examples of /8s are grandfathered in from the olden days of the internet wild wild west |
| 00:19.21 | Braden` | late reply: Yea, I am getting font breakage. |
| 00:19.21 | rahul | rpc: you say you know how to get one, so do it. |
| 00:19.23 | rpc | infernix and how about "future use"? |
| 00:19.24 | infernix | rpc: spammers and hackers are notorious for abusing many IPs |
| 00:19.31 | rpc | rahul did i say so? |
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| 00:19.43 | rpc | infernix that i can tell you at once, i don't want to spam nor abuse them |
| 00:19.47 | Guerin | rpc: future use can be part of a justification |
| 00:19.47 | rahul | rpc: sure. you know people who will give a class C to you, so go to them |
| 00:19.52 | infernix | rpc: it's an argument but you'll have to point out an expected growth rate. don't expect a B class as a startup ISP |
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| 00:20.01 | bronaugh | rahul: btw, it's your turn to reply to what I said, if you're going to. |
| 00:20.02 | Braden` | Im getting some font breakage after installing the nvidia drivers. Any thoughts? |
| 00:20.02 | rpc | i would explain the whole thing to someone who wants to help but only in pm |
| 00:20.16 | Guerin | why bother? |
| 00:20.20 | CHodapp | *cough*PORN SITE*cough* |
| 00:20.25 | Guerin | none of us have any power |
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| 00:20.30 | rahul | bronaugh: the only thing I can think of is that the symbol names have changed from what the fortran include is expecting |
| 00:20.34 | Guerin | go talk to your local registrar or another ISP |
| 00:20.36 | rpc | no, not a porn site |
| 00:20.39 | jelly-home | rpc: your request is weird ;-) |
| 00:20.42 | bgilb | hello. i was wonder if someone could assist me in installing xvid for use with ffmpeg |
| 00:20.48 | bronaugh | rahul: I ran nm on the .a file; all the symbols that are missing are in that file. |
| 00:20.51 | rpc | why? just because i'm creative? |
| 00:20.58 | rpc | and i have some plan that i don't want to tell you about in public? |
| 00:20.59 | rahul | bronaugh: interesting |
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| 00:21.13 | rahul | rpc: well, then you can't demonstrate the need |
| 00:21.14 | infernix | rpc: creative in using many different IPs to bypass some limit scheme somewhere? why are you afraid to discuss it anyways |
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| 00:21.17 | Guerin | rpc: because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and yet you think you have a need for it. |
| 00:21.19 | rpc | i never knew that getting IPs is so hard, now i have a problem then |
| 00:21.24 | Guerin | rpc: this shows a lack of planning and research. |
| 00:21.44 | rahul | rpc: I want 10 channels of TV bandwidth. I have a reason. I can't explain. just give it to me |
| 00:21.47 | jelly-home | rpc: no, because you'll have to explain it anyway to the registrar or your provider, so you might as well explain it here... |
| 00:22.02 | rpc | Guerin sometimes i might not be too good with technical side but as you may know ideas are more important than knowledge and who are you to tell words like "fuck" in this case? |
| 00:22.19 | rpc | i only asked a question because i didn't know something |
| 00:22.20 | bronaugh | fucketymotherfuckingfuckyfuck |
| 00:22.30 | rahul | rpc: you have no ideas because you can't figure out what they are. |
| 00:22.37 | jelly-home | rpc: anyone can get ideas |
| 00:22.43 | Guerin | rpc: this is the point: if you're serious, you'd hire technical people to sort things like this out |
| 00:22.44 | bronaugh | most ideas are crap. |
| 00:22.49 | bronaugh | I come up with several a week. m |
| 00:22.52 | Guerin | stick to what you're good at |
| 00:22.52 | CHodapp | bronaugh: well, most of everything is crap. |
| 00:22.53 | bronaugh | most of them I do nothing with |
| 00:23.00 | bronaugh | because I know they're crap. |
| 00:23.18 | rpc | Guerin let me just put you on ignore because you make no sense with what you are saying, i don't really need your advices like that |
| 00:23.28 | rahul | haha |
| 00:23.28 | Guerin | well, fine |
| 00:23.32 | CHodapp | pwn. |
| 00:23.37 | Guerin | ignore the good advice you don't want to hear |
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| 00:23.43 | Guerin | and take the bad advice you do |
| 00:23.45 | rahul | "hire technical people to work out technical details" "you make no sense!" |
| 00:23.46 | Guerin | way to get ahead |
| 00:23.49 | bronaugh | rpc: seriously. what idea requires a lot of IPs? |
| 00:23.52 | rpc | i asked about IPs and not the sense of my business and such, why people can't just stick to the subject? |
| 00:24.00 | rahul | rpc: that IS the subject |
| 00:24.00 | Guerin | rpc: you have your answer. |
| 00:24.12 | rahul | rpc: you have no need for the IPs, so you won't get them |
| 00:24.12 | jelly-home | bronaugh: you'll steal his idea! :-) |
| 00:24.16 | rpc | the subject is the possiblity of getting IPs, nothing else |
| 00:24.17 | bronaugh | jelly-home: why bother? |
| 00:24.19 | bronaugh | I have plenty of my own. |
| 00:24.31 | infernix | bah, stupid programmers. now the server went mayhem, load probably at 5000 |
| 00:24.33 | rpc | if there is no legal way then i will do it illegal... no problem :) |
| 00:24.34 | bronaugh | it's like cheating on a test; why bother if your classmates are dumber than you? |
| 00:24.37 | rpc | i just needed to know first |
| 00:24.47 | infernix | uptime wont even run :/ |
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| 00:25.30 | CHodapp | bronaugh: because they studied and you didn't? :P |
| 00:25.42 | bronaugh | CHodapp: maaabe :P |
| 00:25.50 | Guerin | rpc: http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/apnic_faq/obtaining.html is what you should have googled first |
| 00:25.52 | rpc | well thanks very much everyone who were kind to explain me without rants |
| 00:25.58 | bronaugh | or maybe they didn't and are just writing down BS in the hopes that the teacher will give them marks. |
| 00:26.11 | Braden` | Anyone? |
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| 00:26.45 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 00:26.45 | infernix | load average: 182.44, 141.16, 85.52 - and get this: Cpu(s): 96.7% idle. any way to figure out which process is abusing the disk so bad here? |
| 00:26.45 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:27.19 | CHodapp | bronaugh: one time on an economics test, I wrote down a lengthy total BS answer, acknowledged it as being BS, and in addition to getting full credit, the teacher read my answer in front of the class |
| 00:27.40 | jelly-home | Guerin: he did ask a question: <Braden`> Whenever I am in xwindows, the text for dropdown menues, the kde menu, the gnome applications menu..... The text on the dropdown boxes all dissapears. [after an nvidia driver install] |
| 00:27.43 | bronaugh | wow, the UPS just went apeshit. |
| 00:27.49 | rahul | CHodapp: because you figured out what economics is :) |
| 00:27.50 | CHodapp | is that like going postal? |
| 00:27.52 | Guerin | jelly-home: yes. |
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| 00:27.56 | bronaugh | anyone know why an APC UPS would all of a sudden blink every light on its front panel? |
| 00:27.59 | CHodapp | rahul: good point, goodpoint... |
| 00:28.00 | bronaugh | and just keep doing that? |
| 00:28.16 | bronaugh | and of course, not provide power to the devices downstream? |
| 00:28.19 | infernix | bronaugh: battery detonation countdown |
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| 00:28.23 | CHodapp | bronaugh: self-test? major failure? |
| 00:28.24 | bronaugh | infernix: cool. |
| 00:28.28 | infernix | bronaugh: run. |
| 00:28.38 | bronaugh | CHodapp: shouldn't be doing a self-test. I think maybe major failure is the right answer. |
| 00:28.47 | jelly-home | bronaugh: "my battery is dead, feed me!"? Looks like something that should be described in the manual. |
| 00:28.51 | infernix | honestly, no idea. powercycle it |
| 00:28.58 | bronaugh | jelly-home: quite possibly; but that requires finding the manual. |
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| 00:29.40 | Ryushin | Okay, just so I know, what is the preferred ipsec client for 2.6 kernels? I used to use Freeswan awhile back in 2.4. |
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| 00:29.50 | Ryushin | openswan, pluto, etc? |
| 00:29.53 | rahul | bronaugh: manual shoud be on their website |
| 00:29.54 | bronaugh | ahh, ther ewe are. manual. |
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| 00:30.05 | bronaugh | amazingly my paper filing system was efficient. |
| 00:31.35 | jelly-home | "self-destruct countdown, see page 96" |
| 00:32.16 | g333k | Hi, if I want to see the spanish characters in the files on my cds do Ihave to change the parameter ,iocharset=utf8 to the line that refers to the cd-roms in the fstab file? |
| 00:32.18 | rahul | (and the manual has 95 pages. :) |
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| 00:35.29 | streuner | Guerin: http://scfire-nyk0l-2.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1043 |
| 00:35.39 | Guerin | that looks ominous |
| 00:35.53 | Guerin | should I clock? |
| 00:35.53 | Guerin | is it embedded video evilitude? |
| 00:35.56 | streuner | no, you should LISTEN :-) |
| 00:36.00 | bgilb | argh how do i tell ffmpeg where my xvid is? |
| 00:36.03 | streuner | music stream |
| 00:36.19 | rahul | oh shit |
| 00:36.20 | cast | bgilb: ffmpeg ~/porn/nat.wmv? |
| 00:36.25 | rahul | that reminds me. cyberchrist |
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| 00:37.10 | bronaugh | jelly-home: heh. |
| 00:37.35 | bronaugh | well... paper manual was useless. |
| 00:37.38 | jelly-home | bgilb: why are you building your own ffmpeg, is the one from debian-multimedia.org not good enough? |
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| 00:39.16 | streuner | Guerin: Do you think i would ever paste such things into #debian ? ;-) Do you have no trust to me? :-) |
| 00:39.27 | bgilb | im not building my own |
| 00:39.35 | streuner | thats a bad joke :-) |
| 00:39.36 | Guerin | streuner: things which contain both `aol' and `stream' make me peery |
| 00:39.44 | bgilb | i do -vcodec xvid and it says codec not found :\ |
| 00:40.04 | rahul | heh |
| 00:40.13 | rahul | simply irresitable? oy. |
| 00:40.15 | streuner | Guerin: well, AOL makes very good streams, i know at least 2 styles (Techno, Rock) :-) |
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| 00:40.35 | rahul | back to tristania |
| 00:41.04 | Guerin | man, this is shit |
| 00:41.10 | streuner | oh |
| 00:41.26 | streuner | Guerin: they played better stuff before... |
| 00:41.30 | cast | bgilb: you know...there is mplayer |
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| 00:41.50 | streuner | s/look/like/ |
| 00:42.03 | bronaugh | yeah, manual doesn't even cover this failure mode. joy. |
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| 00:42.06 | bronaugh | gotta love quality manuals. |
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| 00:42.28 | cast | is gfort even finished? |
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| 00:43.01 | rahul | streuner: I'll stick to pandora, thanks :) |
| 00:43.08 | rahul | pandora knows what I like |
| 00:43.17 | bronaugh | cast: supposedly. |
| 00:43.41 | cast | bronaugh: what's the program anyway? |
| 00:44.01 | bronaugh | cast: cru2nc.f90 -- converts CRU text data format to NetCDF binary |
| 00:44.02 | bgilb | cast: does mplayer support video conversion? |
| 00:44.14 | bronaugh | googl eit and you'll find it. |
| 00:44.37 | cast | bgilb: like transcoding? hell yeah! |
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| 00:45.29 | bgilb | sweet |
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| 00:51.19 | lisa_ | hi@all |
| 00:51.22 | lisa_ | me again^^ |
| 00:51.30 | lisa_ | m sound doesn't work |
| 00:51.32 | lisa_ | +y |
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| 00:51.50 | CrazednDazed | http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation >>> a couple lines down >>> Make sure you have started compiling the kernel sources, so needed header files are present. <<< what do they mean by that? |
| 00:52.16 | bgilb | http://atomized.org/2005/11/converting-video-to-play-on-your-ipod-with-ffmpeg/ |
| 00:52.25 | bgilb | says mencoder doesn't support aac :O |
| 00:52.28 | bgilb | not sure what that means |
| 00:52.55 | lisa_ | bgilb, try searching apt for aac^^ |
| 00:53.07 | Guerin | mplayer does |
| 00:53.19 | Guerin | aac is just an mpeg-4 format |
| 00:53.25 | bgilb | ok |
| 00:53.38 | bgilb | is there any documentation on converting video files using mplayer? |
| 00:53.47 | Stevie-O | aac is the mpeg-4 audio format |
| 00:53.48 | Guerin | mplayer won't support the ipod encryption,l though, you might have to treat it with something |
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| 00:55.21 | Stevie-O | bgilb: I've successfully converted videos using transcode |
| 00:55.49 | Del_Mon | whats an easy way to test if logging to daemon.log is working? |
| 00:56.04 | gogonkt | how can I use pcima card for CDMA to net,whem runing Debian installer,I am using Sarg RC4 CD 1,thanks :-) |
| 00:56.52 | Stevie-O | Del_Mon: tail -f, then get something to log to it |
| 00:57.14 | geo-rge | gogonkt: what's cdma |
| 00:57.15 | Guerin | gogonkt: does it work with the stock linux kernel? |
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| 00:57.41 | Stevie-O | geo-rge: broadband card, I believe |
| 00:57.54 | Stevie-O | from Verizon |
| 00:58.13 | geo-rge | oh you mean a cellphone net card |
| 00:58.26 | bgilb | how do i install aac? |
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| 00:58.28 | Del_Mon | ya, getting something to log to it is what I wanted a suggestion of |
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| 00:58.38 | gogonkt | ...yes cellphone!!! |
| 00:58.49 | gogonkt | :D |
| 00:58.50 | Stevie-O | Del_Mon: hrm |
| 00:58.57 | Guerin | in principle it should just be a modem |
| 00:59.02 | Guerin | but hell, what do I know |
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| 01:00.12 | geo-rge | Guerin: what will actually be interesting is what the log says when the card is inserted |
| 01:00.16 | gogonkt | I "mesg | grep tty" get "ttyS1"&"ttyS2",What can I do |
| 01:00.50 | geo-rge | which log to watch tho? |
| 01:02.09 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.19 | geo-rge | ? klog? |
| 01:03.05 | CrazednDazed | okay, I untarred kernel/linux-headers matching mine from kernel.org to /usr/src, and I made the symbolic link as per the tutorial here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation When I cd to the ndiswrapper directory and type make, I get: give the path to kernel buil directory with KBUILD=<path> argument to make |
| 01:03.48 | geo-rge | CrazednDazed: what kernel do you have running? |
| 01:03.58 | CrazednDazed | 2.6.17-2 |
| 01:04.25 | geo-rge | so you have a debian stock kernel... yes? |
| 01:04.45 | CrazednDazed | yes |
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| 01:05.02 | CrazednDazed | all I did was get the matching file from kernel.org and untarred it to /usr/src. |
| 01:05.13 | geo-rge | so you want the headers package that goes with that kernel (installable by apt) |
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| 01:05.58 | CrazednDazed | geo-rge: Yes, but the machine I am trying to get ndiswrapper on doesn't have the internet |
| 01:06.05 | CrazednDazed | so I just got the headers package from kernel.org |
| 01:06.28 | geo-rge | CrazednDazed: I don't know how to help with that |
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| 01:07.05 | Del_Mon | I installed ntp, that was a good test. |
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| 01:07.17 | jdhutchins1 | CrazednDazed, get the headers package straight from the debian repo's |
| 01:07.38 | CrazednDazed | jdhutchins1: Any idea how I would do this without apt-get? That machine is not on the itnernet |
| 01:07.39 | bgilb | does mp2 work on the ipod in videos? |
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| 01:08.38 | jdhutchins1 | CrazednDazed, go to packages.debian.org and download it from there |
| 01:08.55 | jdhutchins1 | then put it in a usb drive or something and take it to the other computer |
| 01:09.26 | geo-rge | CrazednDazed: why not -put- it on the net? |
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| 01:09.46 | CrazednDazed | geo-rge: No ethernet adapter |
| 01:09.58 | CrazednDazed | jdhutchins1: I can't seem to find the headers for 2.6.17 there |
| 01:10.03 | geo-rge | what kind of machine |
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| 01:10.12 | CrazednDazed | Toshiba satellite |
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| 01:10.17 | geo-rge | laptop? |
| 01:10.20 | bigwig | hi all |
| 01:10.21 | CrazednDazed | yes |
| 01:10.32 | jdhutchins1 | CrazednDazed, snapshot.debian.org probably has it then |
| 01:11.07 | Stevie-O | uhm |
| 01:11.08 | Stevie-O | wtf |
| 01:11.28 | bigwig | i have a RAID-1 array that holds the root filesystem (/). i would like to ask why my Debian system cannot stop the array cleanly so that it is reconstructed on every system startup |
| 01:11.33 | jdhutchins1 | should be snapshot.debian.net, CrazednDazed |
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| 01:12.35 | CrazednDazed | jdhutchins1: Still can't seem to find it |
| 01:13.04 | CrazednDazed | if I recompile with the kernel I got from kernel.org, it will give me header files right? |
| 01:13.30 | geo-rge | CrazednDazed: you can get packages too, yes |
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| 01:13.55 | geo-rge | that is, you can use the script that builds the kernel image and header (among others) packages |
| 01:14.12 | magyar | is there a way for clamav to heal a virus attachet to a document? |
| 01:14.17 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: the only sure way is to use the correct kernel-headers-2.6.17-2-X package |
| 01:14.18 | CrazednDazed | hmm, geo-rge what would this script be called? |
| 01:14.28 | geo-rge | make-kpkg |
| 01:14.36 | Guerin | magyar: no. |
| 01:14.37 | geo-rge | in package "kernel-package" |
| 01:14.38 | CrazednDazed | jelly-home: That's exactly what I can't find |
| 01:14.52 | magyar | Guerin: that sucks |
| 01:14.58 | geo-rge | maybe it's in linux-headers-* |
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| 01:15.08 | Guerin | magyar: some things claim to be able to do it, but mostly they're lying. |
| 01:15.18 | bgilb | is there a ffmpeg config file where i have to enable xvid and aac? |
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| 01:15.41 | magyar | Guerin: how is it that windows AV's are able to hea |
| 01:15.42 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: hmm, what does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |egrep '(kernel|linux)-image-' | grep ^.i" on your machine say? |
| 01:15.45 | magyar | heal? |
| 01:16.09 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: that is, what is the exact kernel package and version you have? |
| 01:16.29 | Guerin | magyar: they're not, relly. Sometimes they are, but it depends. |
| 01:16.38 | Stevie-O | hey guys... syslog isn't logging to the files. lsof says that it's got various logfiles open but they've been deleted. What gives? |
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| 01:17.01 | CrazednDazed | jelly-home: linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 01:17.22 | rahul | Stevie-O: deleted files can still be open |
| 01:17.32 | rahul | Stevie-O: you need to HUP syslog |
| 01:17.38 | h00t | pls guys test something for me... can you see what i'm typing |
| 01:17.53 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: so look for linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686, the same version |
| 01:18.03 | CrazednDazed | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686-bigmem_2.6.17-9_i386.deb |
| 01:18.11 | CrazednDazed | I can't find them on the debian repo |
| 01:18.27 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: nope... you don't have "...-bigmem" |
| 01:18.30 | Stevie-O | rahul: But I didn't delete those files manually... which would suggest that whatever rotated the logs was supposed to HUP syslog but didn't |
| 01:18.36 | James | Hello, My X can't start now: xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice. I can use my X yesterday! I just install bootsplash but fail |
| 01:18.46 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: look on snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:18.59 | rahul | Stevie-O: logrotate should do it, yeah |
| 01:19.04 | James | I have checked /dev/input/mice, exist this device and also i have loaded psaux module. |
| 01:19.13 | Stevie-O | and what runs logrotate? |
| 01:19.14 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: your kernel is out of date |
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| 01:19.19 | abrotman | Stevie-O: cron |
| 01:19.41 | Stevie-O | for what user? |
| 01:19.47 | geo-rge | James: if you cat /dev/input/mice, do you get stuff when you move the mouse |
| 01:20.17 | geo-rge | either /etc/crontab or root's crontab I guess |
| 01:20.18 | CrazednDazed | jelly-home: couldn't find it either place, should I update the kernel? |
| 01:21.02 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: do you need bigmem ? |
| 01:21.02 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: No |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | then why do you have it |
| 01:21.08 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: what is your CPU ? |
| 01:21.08 | James | geo-rge, no, nothing |
| 01:21.13 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: I got rid of it, still nothing |
| 01:21.20 | jelly-home | CrazednDazed: that could work, just make sure you have matching kernel and headers |
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| 01:21.29 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: which cpu do you have ? |
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| 01:21.38 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: Celeron chip, 399mhz |
| 01:21.42 | Rockj | apt-get |
| 01:21.42 | Rockj | -bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Input/output error |
| 01:21.46 | Rockj | ew, what does that mean? :/ |
| 01:21.58 | geo-rge | input and/or output error |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 01:22.09 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: run aptitude update first |
| 01:22.13 | streuner | that means, you are fucked |
| 01:22.19 | James | geo-rge, no such device when i cat. |
| 01:22.20 | jelly-home | Rockj: take a look at dmesg or kern.log for disk errors |
| 01:22.23 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: I have no internet on that laptop, that's mostly the issue |
| 01:22.30 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 01:22.30 | dpkg | from memory, i/o error is if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 01:22.31 | geo-rge | James: ok, what kind of mouse |
| 01:22.32 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: But I should attempt updating the kernel? |
| 01:22.37 | streuner | Rockj: show us the whole fucking error-message (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | prolly |
| 01:22.51 | CrazednDazed | Or does anyone know where I can find a debian disc with a newer kernel? |
| 01:23.04 | streuner | Rockj: what Guerin said... |
| 01:23.07 | geo-rge | and while you're at it also show what you're trying to do exactly |
| 01:23.10 | Rockj | streuner: it was the error when I try to use apt-get cmd. |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: i just told you ... |
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| 01:23.19 | James | geo-rge, serial mouse |
| 01:23.24 | streuner | Rockj: yesss, show us the whole error |
| 01:23.34 | geo-rge | James: on what port? |
| 01:23.47 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: Sorry man, I was expecting a .iso for that matter. ...? |
| 01:23.54 | James | geo-rge, serial port? I can use my mouse yesterday |
| 01:23.54 | geo-rge | Rockj: specifics |
| 01:24.07 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: don't you already have debian installed ? |
| 01:24.23 | geo-rge | James: so what did you do today? |
| 01:24.30 | CrazednDazed | yes, I do, but I think reinstalling with a newer kernel would be easier than updating the kernel with usb drives |
| 01:24.52 | CrazednDazed | because I woul dhave to get gcc and other dependencies on there |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: wtf ... |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: no .. try it .. aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 01:25.10 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: That machine has no internet |
| 01:25.13 | Rockj | http://pastebin.ca/276126 and more in dmesg. I couldn't even use dmesg | more. Seems like it has remounted root as read-only. |
| 01:25.14 | James | geo-rge, I just try to install bootsplash and bootsplash told me to change initram? I don't know.. |
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| 01:25.18 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: why not ? |
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| 01:25.30 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: Because there is no ethernet port, only usb and pcmia |
| 01:25.38 | abrotman | no PCMCIA NIC ? |
| 01:25.44 | James | geo-rge, It seems my mouse don't have certain driver. But i have loaded psmouse driver. |
| 01:25.45 | streuner | Rockj: check the logs too (DMA..) |
| 01:25.46 | CrazednDazed | I don't have one |
| 01:27.47 | geo-rge | James: I don't know what to tell you yet... because you need to say in more detail what is going on |
| 01:27.47 | bgilb | ffmpeg Unknown audio codec 'aac' how do i install aac? i have absolutely no clue |
| 01:27.47 | Rockj | streuner: I'am unable to read the logs. |
| 01:27.55 | Rockj | http://pastebin.ca/276131 |
| 01:27.57 | streuner | i hope you have backup the media... |
| 01:28.11 | Rockj | if I nano syslog - its one line of ^@^@ all the way |
| 01:28.14 | Stevie-O | okay, how about this: how do I tell d-i to let me setup LVM over a partition instead of a whole drive? |
| 01:28.31 | geo-rge | CrazednDazed: ok, most linux-image packages for 2.6.17 are at -9 right now |
| 01:28.41 | geo-rge | so |
| 01:29.26 | geo-rge | what you could do is pick a 2.6.17*-9 linux-image and -matching- linux-headers packages |
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| 01:29.58 | Rockj | anyway, thanks. Seems like the harddisk have crashed. Lucky the server was still in testing bench. (*phew*) |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: so why do you need the headers? |
| 01:30.16 | geo-rge | good thing to find out now |
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| 01:30.29 | geo-rge | abrotman, ndiswrapper I think |
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| 01:35.34 | olskolirc | ? |
| 01:36.07 | geo-rge | @ |
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| 01:36.37 | olskolirc | ? |
| 01:36.42 | geo-rge | . |
| 01:36.44 | amphi | |
| 01:36.48 | Stevie-O | ! |
| 01:36.53 | olskolirc | why does my nick go ? every time i come on |
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| 01:37.14 | geo-rge | you mean that's not you doing that? :) |
| 01:37.20 | olskolirc | nope |
| 01:37.25 | amphi | heh |
| 01:37.38 | geo-rge | ok, so you're running a script... which you should read! |
| 01:37.53 | olskolirc | nope |
| 01:37.59 | olskolirc | same ol program |
| 01:38.09 | geo-rge | which is? |
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| 01:38.26 | olskolirc | mirc |
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| 01:39.03 | Azar | weeeeeeeee I am so happy Etch will get released soon! |
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| 01:39.22 | streuner | !releasesmite Azar |
| 01:39.28 | Azar | :) |
| 01:39.38 | Azar | netsplit took dpkg's voice |
| 01:39.48 | olskolirc | splain that to me please |
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| 01:39.59 | olskolirc | etch will get released soon means that it's going to be stable? |
| 01:40.02 | geo-rge | okay loocee |
| 01:40.05 | Azar | Etch gonna be sooooo big! |
| 01:40.09 | streuner | sadly, that cmd doesn't exist either, not yet... |
| 01:40.15 | bgilb | question. how can i find out my current debian version? |
| 01:40.16 | geo-rge | olskolirc: right |
| 01:40.19 | Azar | olskolirc: yes |
| 01:40.35 | geo-rge | bgilb: look at /etc/debian_version |
| 01:40.36 | olskolirc | so do i do an apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:40.38 | Azar | streuner: cmd? |
| 01:40.42 | olskolirc | or download a whole something else? |
| 01:41.00 | geo-rge | olskolirc: actually you can choose either |
| 01:41.07 | olskolirc | cool |
| 01:41.19 | olskolirc | i put too much work in this to rip it down and start over |
| 01:41.22 | geo-rge | but you can dist-upgrade to etch if you want |
| 01:41.24 | olskolirc | how soon? |
| 01:41.26 | streuner | Azar: cmd! |
| 01:41.31 | geo-rge | any time you want |
| 01:41.33 | Azar | olskolirc: if you use Sarge, yes you can do a dist-upgrade but not before you read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 01:41.46 | streuner | !blairsmite Azar |
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| 01:41.57 | Stevie-O | what the hell |
| 01:42.00 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:42.02 | streuner | dpkg, Azar |
| 01:42.07 | streuner | (factoid) |
| 01:42.08 | rahul | who the bell is blair? |
| 01:42.12 | streuner | it doesn't exit... |
| 01:42.16 | bigwig | hello, i have sarge and would like to use libc6 2.3.4 (it has 2.3.2). backports.org does not have libc6. what to do? |
| 01:42.16 | geo-rge | hlair? |
| 01:42.17 | Azar | ahhh |
| 01:42.24 | streuner | rahul: .uk primeminister |
| 01:42.27 | itchi | Where can i talk with the guys working on the wiki? |
| 01:42.28 | rahul | ah! |
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| 01:42.44 | rahul | now it makes sense :) |
| 01:42.49 | geo-rge | #wiki-working-guys |
| 01:42.50 | rahul | I was thinking of first name :P |
| 01:43.00 | itchi | Mostly, working people are not so much on irc nor usenet |
| 01:43.18 | streuner | rahul: he told .uk people, they could attack within 45 minutes from iraq through missles.. |
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| 01:43.29 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: I need the headers because I am trying to install ndiswrapper |
| 01:43.36 | rahul | streuner: yes |
| 01:43.42 | rahul | streuner: I get it :) |
| 01:43.48 | streuner | hm |
| 01:44.05 | streuner | but that was an example for Azar :-) |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: do you have broadband ? |
| 01:44.16 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:44.16 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:44.21 | Azar | bigwig: upgrade to etch? maybe? |
| 01:44.26 | rahul | !blairsmite |
| 01:44.29 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: Yes, but that is a laptop I am trying to get to work, and it has no ethernet plugin |
| 01:44.37 | itchi | Just had and dump question about the spellcheck system of moinmoin. Like i write in Dutch, looks like i need to build the ducth dictionairy?? |
| 01:44.44 | abrotman | so you don't have another machine ? |
| 01:44.54 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: I do, have several |
| 01:45.03 | Azar | bigwig: make sure etch has what you want otherwise why upgrade.. |
| 01:45.06 | bigwig | Azar: isn't their a backport solution somehow? |
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| 01:45.09 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: use another .. download the full first ISO .. it should have everything you need |
| 01:45.14 | streuner | rahul: the bot needs a parameter in order to run the cmd. |
| 01:45.16 | bgilb | ive install faac libfaac libfaad faad and i still get this error using ffmpeg: Unknown audio codec 'aac' |
| 01:45.21 | rahul | pfft |
| 01:45.27 | Azar | bigwig: if what you want is not in the backports, maybe is not for debian yet |
| 01:45.29 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: full first ISO? where can I find it, do yuo know? |
| 01:45.30 | rahul | crappily written command |
| 01:45.35 | rahul | !literal penixsmite |
| 01:45.35 | Lonnie | Any one tell me how to get rid of the GUI login??? |
| 01:45.38 | rahul | !literal penixstrike |
| 01:45.39 | dpkg | "penixstrike" is "<reply> A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking $nick to the ground and leaving a large wet spot." |
| 01:45.42 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: ohld on |
| 01:45.46 | Azar | Lonnie: no dm |
| 01:45.53 | Azar | Lonnie: /msg dpkg no dm |
| 01:45.54 | rahul | !literal blairsmite |
| 01:46.18 | Lonnie | OK Azar I'll check. |
| 01:46.22 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 01:46.29 | streuner | dpkg, literal cmd blairsmite (.*?) |
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| 01:46.49 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: thanks, I'll try installing that and then ndiswrapper |
| 01:46.58 | jelly-home | Is there a way to convert a partition to lvm and a logical volume in-place, without losing data? |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: check |
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| 01:47.05 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:47.05 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:47.09 | abrotman | see if it's on the first CD |
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| 01:47.21 | CrazednDazed | !cd contents? |
| 01:47.21 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 01:47.32 | CrazednDazed | zless |
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| 01:47.41 | mrgenixus | hullo all |
| 01:47.47 | geo-rge | combined zcat and less |
| 01:47.59 | mrgenixus | My passwd is missing, not the package, just the file... |
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| 01:48.17 | geo-rge | not in /etc? |
| 01:48.19 | Azar | debian etch rc1 installer snapshots walktrough for new users: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution_sm=Debian-Installer%20etch%20RC1 |
| 01:48.22 | streuner | rahul: http://dpkg.vireo.org/factoid.php?key=CMD:%20blairsmite%20(.*?) |
| 01:48.37 | Lonnie | Azar; that managed to confuse me rather nicely. |
| 01:48.48 | CrazednDazed | wow |
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| 01:48.52 | rahul | weak |
| 01:48.54 | CrazednDazed | .jigdo template? |
| 01:48.54 | mrgenixus | so I've attempted to reinstall the package and pwck reports it's unable to opne /etc/shadow... |
| 01:49.19 | mrgenixus | any idea why? I can "cat" it just fine as root |
| 01:49.21 | Azar | Lonnie: myself I am not using any desktop manager therefore no need for the gui login, if you use a desktop manager there might be another way, which I do not know of |
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| 01:50.12 | Azar | Lonnie |
| 01:50.14 | yunhual | make[3]: leaving directory xxxxx |
| 01:50.15 | yunhual | make[2]: leaving directory xxxx |
| 01:50.16 | Azar | !nodm |
| 01:50.16 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 01:50.18 | yunhual | make[2]: entering directory xx .etc. when i use make |
| 01:50.18 | yunhual | what does [3], [2] there stand for? |
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| 01:50.44 | abrotman | i think ndiswrapper is on CD1 |
| 01:50.50 | Lonnie | Ok Azar, I was over on that box looking. |
| 01:51.12 | Azar | Lonnie, if you use a dm, I guess the last solution offered is good |
| 01:51.20 | dondelelcaro | yunhual: it's the number of the make that is running |
| 01:51.24 | dondelelcaro | yunhual: make can call make. |
| 01:51.26 | Azar | ..the one with "false">... |
| 01:51.50 | mrgenixus | can anyone help explain what pwck means when it says it can't open /etc/shadow |
| 01:51.58 | yunhual | donelelcaro is mutil-thread make ? |
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| 01:52.10 | Lonnie | Azar; no ?dm on any run level. |
| 01:52.25 | Azar | Lonnie: you don't use gnome or kde? |
| 01:53.03 | olskolirc | so when is etch going stable? |
| 01:53.04 | Lonnie | My problem is that since I had to reboot the box, the mouse no longer works and it is coming up to a GUI log in that is dorked too. |
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| 01:53.13 | streuner | olskolirc: wir |
| 01:53.19 | olskolirc | wir? |
| 01:53.20 | Lonnie | I have been using Icewm on that one Azar |
| 01:53.24 | streuner | !wir |
| 01:53.24 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 01:53.35 | olskolirc | oh |
| 01:53.54 | olskolirc | ok i'll play what is rsn and siyh |
| 01:53.59 | Stevie-O | !rsn |
| 01:53.59 | dpkg | rsn is, like, Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
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| 01:54.10 | Stevie-O | see if you can figure out how to get SIYH yourself |
| 01:54.16 | Azar | Lonnie: use an Fn to get to a terminal, then apply the apt-get remove..." after which "update-rc.d -f .dm remove" |
| 01:54.19 | olskolirc | !siyh |
| 01:54.19 | dpkg | hmm... siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 01:54.39 | Azar | Lonnie: like the dpkg shows above |
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| 01:54.56 | James | Hello, when i cat /dev/input/mice, I get "no such device", but i can use "ls" to find this device and also I load psmouse driver, why? |
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| 01:55.34 | streuner | modprobe mousedev |
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| 01:55.53 | streuner | that would work for 2.6.x kernels |
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| 01:56.24 | g333k_laptop | Hi, my touchpad works very slow, any clue? |
| 01:56.55 | streuner | touchpads sucks |
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| 01:57.38 | abrotman_ | change the acceleration |
| 01:57.51 | Lonnie | Azar; I think I may have to update/upgrade first, was trying to get rid of some other stuff. |
| 01:57.57 | Stevie-O | 9.80m/s/s |
| 01:58.18 | Lonnie | Azar; I will certainly use dpkg's advice. Thanks. |
| 01:58.52 | jelly-home | clitorii rule |
| 01:58.54 | bigwig | bye |
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| 01:58.59 | jelly-home | I mean trackpoints |
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| 01:59.55 | abrotman_ | yes they do |
| 01:59.58 | g333k_laptop | streuner, cause I'm in my bed |
| 02:00.16 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, how do I change that? |
| 02:00.43 | jelly-home | get out? |
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| 02:01.11 | streuner | hehe |
| 02:01.17 | Azar | out of all the Debian faces published I only seen azeem.. I do not know the rest.. |
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| 02:02.28 | Azar | streuner back in '96 I was a proud owner of an "Alps" keyboard that had a touchpad builtin. It was a rarity back then... |
| 02:02.49 | Azar | hahaha I bet abrotman is there too but under his real name |
| 02:03.14 | Phoenix92x | hi, Im on Debian Etch amd64 and just did an install. I added kde through aptitude (gnome was installed by default) and logged into the system through KDE. There's an odd problem. When I try to go to the control panel there's nothing there, no icons. Just the blue screen with the "welcome to KDE control center". Please help me. |
| 02:03.38 | streuner | !amd64 |
| 02:03.38 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman_ | Phoenix92x: ask #debian-kde |
| 02:04.15 | Azar | I see kde does not kome with all the gadgets huh |
| 02:04.53 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: topic in #debian-kde should be most helpful, esp. the part with " kcontrol empty? Cherrypick kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-4, kcontrol and kdebase-data 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-2 from unstable" |
| 02:05.02 | Lonnie | Thanks Azar and dpkg, will come crawling back if I fail. |
| 02:05.02 | dpkg | Lonnie: de nada |
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| 02:05.15 | Azar | well I can't express how happy I am, this morning at 3 I found out Etch is frozen, then later at 10 am I found out I got a salary raise. |
| 02:05.28 | Azar | thank you Etch developers... |
| 02:05.30 | jelly-home | etch is frozen?! |
| 02:05.34 | Azar | yup |
| 02:05.47 | g333k_laptop | really????????????????? |
| 02:05.47 | jelly-home | And me with no beer in the house! |
| 02:06.01 | g333k_laptop | cheersssssssssss! |
| 02:06.03 | Lonnie | You mean I'll have to upgrade again??? |
| 02:06.19 | Azar | Lonnie: nooo... once you upgrade you are set |
| 02:06.25 | streuner | Azar: what's 'cabernet'? |
| 02:06.33 | jelly-home | Lonnie: as if we didn't know you already run unstable :-P |
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| 02:06.38 | Azar | streuner: as in cabernet-sauvignon red wine |
| 02:06.42 | Linux_Jones | how do i upgrade my kernel to 686? |
| 02:07.12 | g333k_laptop | are you serious Azar? do we have another stable debian? |
| 02:07.26 | Ronin | g333k_laptop: only one stable debian release |
| 02:07.37 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: not yet |
| 02:07.43 | g333k_laptop | so? |
| 02:07.49 | Lonnie | The boxen in question started out as a Stable install, when Potato was stable. Have come a Long ways with that system, and it is running Etch at the moment. |
| 02:07.51 | g333k_laptop | what are you talking about? |
| 02:07.53 | Azar | g333k_laptop: lame nick Debian has 3 versions: stable-Sarge, testing-Etch, and unstable-Sid. Etch will become the new Stable soon |
| 02:08.06 | Ronin | lame nick debian? |
| 02:08.20 | Azar | noooo g333k_laptop is lame nick |
| 02:08.21 | Phoenix92x | no one seems to be responding in the #debian-kde channel to my question regarding the control center, should I just wait or could someone here help? |
| 02:08.25 | g333k_laptop | why always people complaint about my nick? |
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| 02:08.29 | jelly-home | Lonnie: better make sure they're really running "etch" and not "testing" ;-) |
| 02:08.31 | Lonnie | Just upgraded to Xorg. |
| 02:08.37 | Azar | put g333k_laptop to the nickometer |
| 02:08.48 | g333k_laptop | !nickometer |
| 02:08.50 | dpkg | '' is 0.000% lame, g333k_laptop |
| 02:08.51 | Lonnie | I'll have to change the Sources won't I. Damn. |
| 02:08.58 | jelly-home | Azar: oh, stuff a sock in it. |
| 02:08.58 | Azar | dpkg is broken |
| 02:09.01 | g333k_laptop | !nickometer g333k |
| 02:09.03 | dpkg | 'g333k' is 56.000% lame, g333k_laptop |
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| 02:09.20 | g333k_laptop | Azar, is that a problem? :( |
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| 02:09.31 | streuner | hm, must be the numeric sign into that nick |
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| 02:09.37 | Azar | g333k_laptop: man that nick makes you look like a 12yr old |
| 02:09.47 | g333k_laptop | Azar, heheheh |
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| 02:10.04 | g333k_laptop | Azar, so you want me to get something more serious? |
| 02:10.11 | Azar | be a man, change the nick into something more ... you know.. |
| 02:10.18 | g333k_laptop | !nickometer G! |
| 02:10.20 | dpkg | 'G!' is 15.000% lame, g333k_laptop |
| 02:10.35 | g333k_laptop | Azar, :$ |
| 02:11.06 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: trying to pick up jailbait with your youngling charms, huh? |
| 02:11.06 | streuner | capital letters doesn't help either to make nikometer happy ;-) |
| 02:11.15 | lasala | whats a good keylogger application ? |
| 02:11.22 | streuner | fuck off |
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| 02:12.12 | g333k_laptop | I use to be SonnyBurnett and everybody told me that didnt like miami vice |
| 02:12.16 | jelly-home | lasala: tried searching with apt-cache? |
| 02:12.18 | g333k_laptop | used* |
| 02:12.56 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: Should have been SonnyCrocket |
| 02:13.20 | g333k_laptop | jelly-home, yep but I'm undercover :p |
| 02:13.29 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: that nick was obviously fake! |
| 02:13.41 | mrgenixus | how do I find out what package a file is a member of? |
| 02:13.56 | jelly-home | mrgenixus: dpkg -S /usr/bin/foo |
| 02:13.57 | streuner | mrgenixus: man dpkg, hint -S |
| 02:14.05 | g333k_laptop | jelly-home, few people knew the meaning of my nick.. |
| 02:14.09 | mrgenixus | ty |
| 02:14.11 | welly | hi all.. i'm trying to install php on a debian server using apt-get install php5. it says Package php5 is not available, but is referred to by another package, |
| 02:14.25 | streuner | welly: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 02:14.33 | amphi | g333k_laptop: it means something? |
| 02:14.33 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: old folks, we are. :-) |
| 02:14.33 | welly | so if i do sudo deb http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all |
| 02:14.44 | welly | i get bash: deb: command not found |
| 02:14.46 | streuner | would be a very bad idea |
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| 02:15.10 | streuner | use backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 02:15.11 | g333k_laptop | amphi, nop... just the undercover name of Sonny Crocket |
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| 02:15.32 | amphi | g333k_laptop: means nothing to me, I'm afraid |
| 02:15.46 | lasala | how do i enable ssh to log all commands ? |
| 02:16.03 | welly | oh hang about |
| 02:16.04 | welly | i see |
| 02:16.09 | Lonnie | jelly-home; I got the sources switched to etch from testing. Thanks for that quick update. :-) |
| 02:16.20 | g333k_laptop | well, by the good of the debian community I am going to change my nickname |
| 02:16.30 | amphi | heh |
| 02:16.33 | streuner | oh mighty cow |
| 02:16.53 | streuner | do, whatever you want :-) |
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| 02:16.56 | g333k_laptop | jelly-home, is that your real name? |
| 02:17.04 | jelly-home | Lonnie: now when etch releases in May 2007 you won't get all the breakage from unfrozen testing |
| 02:17.27 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: in IRCNAME? yup. |
| 02:17.44 | g333k_laptop | !nickometer jelly |
| 02:17.45 | dpkg | 'jelly' is 0.000% lame, g333k_laptop |
| 02:17.50 | g333k_laptop | congratulations! |
| 02:18.13 | rahul | hmm alcohol |
| 02:18.14 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.16 | rahul | nah |
| 02:18.20 | Lonnie | Just been running Testing here jelly-home, have one box that was running testing, but that hasn't had any power to it for several months. |
| 02:18.21 | rahul | I've had enough of it this weekend |
| 02:18.41 | Lonnie | Old dual P166 box, Dell Server IIRC. |
| 02:18.42 | welly | ok.. i did apt-get install php5 and it looked to install it. now if i do php -v i get php: command not found |
| 02:18.42 | g333k_laptop | i will be the next hagbard_celine |
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| 02:19.10 | streuner | welly: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:19.14 | Stevie-O | /nick St3\|13-0 |
| 02:19.23 | g333k_laptop | Azar, I thought you just said that etch is frozen? |
| 02:19.43 | welly | streuner, it says ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 02:19.54 | streuner | welly: /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:19.55 | jelly-home | welly: you only have module for apache2 probably, cli is separately installed. |
| 02:19.57 | Stevie-O | g333k: nah, it's just really cold |
| 02:20.05 | welly | streuner, oh ok |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | welly: you didn't install php5-cgi or php4-cgi |
| 02:20.09 | welly | that's probably not so bad |
| 02:20.17 | welly | i only really want the apache module |
| 02:20.23 | Linux_Jones | how do i update my sarge kernel to 686? |
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| 02:20.38 | jelly-home | welly: throw a <? phpinfo() ?> page and see what happens |
| 02:21.12 | floundering | I am trying to use "smartctl -a -d ata /dev/sde" etc to check out the status of a couple of sata disks, (the sarge system has hung several times) but smartctl reports Device read identity failed (not an ata/atapi device). any suggestions? |
| 02:21.19 | Azar | g333k_laptop: yes etch is officially frozen |
| 02:21.24 | Stevie-O | it is? |
| 02:21.43 | Stevie-O | wow. |
| 02:21.48 | welly | jelly-home, heh - http://phpmyadmin.transmogrify.co.uk/test.php |
| 02:22.02 | welly | maybe the module isn't set up in my config |
| 02:22.04 | Azar | Linux_Jones: apt-cache search kernel-image ( or linux-image ) will give you a list of kernels |
| 02:22.24 | g333k_laptop | Azar, whats does it exactly means? that developers will work until get 0 bugs? |
| 02:22.44 | Azar | g333k_laptop: means that no new packages will get "in" Etch from now on |
| 02:23.34 | g333k_laptop | Azar, so it isnt the testing version anymore? |
| 02:23.35 | geo-rge | well unless they backpaddle and unfreeze |
| 02:23.36 | welly | would i need to restart my apache2 server? |
| 02:23.49 | Azar | Linux_Jones: on that list there must be a 2.6.8 kernel for your specific PC's architecture. |
| 02:23.53 | geo-rge | g333k_laptop: its just frozen, not released |
| 02:23.54 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: it's still testing, but it's in a "frozen" state |
| 02:24.05 | welly | hmm.. well perhaps but it made no difference |
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| 02:24.41 | Azar | Etch will continue to be in "testing" until the release time in few months, but now I guess there is no reason not to upgrade if you want to. |
| 02:24.43 | g333k_laptop | jelly-home, geo-rge, and I was waiting for firefox 2.0 |
| 02:24.55 | Linux_Jones | how about 2.4.27, 2.6 has issues with acpi |
| 02:25.02 | Azar | firecrap2, im gonna get me the iceweasel |
| 02:25.13 | jelly-home | g333k_laptop: or the belated iceweasel |
| 02:25.21 | g333k_laptop | Azar, I use etch... do you mean upgrade to Sid? |
| 02:25.23 | ttyfscker | i hate to ask a ubuntu question in here.. but since debian is the ppl working on iceweasel, i was just wondering if anyone might possibly know if there is a iceweasel 2 package ported for ubuntu yet |
| 02:25.25 | Azar | Linux_Jones: the default linux kernel for Sarge IS 2.4.27 |
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| 02:25.31 | Azar | no need to upgrade |
| 02:25.48 | Azar | Linux_Jones: you are sitting on it |
| 02:26.12 | geo-rge | stand up! uypiu |
| 02:26.15 | Azar | g333k_laptop: not recommended |
| 02:26.19 | geo-rge | you're crushing it! |
| 02:26.23 | g333k_laptop | Azar, ok |
| 02:26.25 | Linux_Jones | azar then why must there be a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 02:26.56 | g333k_laptop | Can somebody help me to accelerate my touchpad? |
| 02:26.57 | Azar | Linux_Jones: the 2.6.8 is the highest kernel official for Sarge, it has more hardware support than the default 2.4.27 |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | ttyfscker: ask them .. alternately .. check gnu.org |
| 02:27.08 | abrotman | g333k: which desktop ? |
| 02:27.16 | ttyfscker | abrotman:: already have |
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| 02:27.32 | Linux_Jones | azar, is there any way to get my acpi working or am i just screwed on that kernel? |
| 02:27.35 | Azar | Linux_Jones: if you don't really and specifically need more hardware support sit with 2.4.27 if that makes you happy |
| 02:27.36 | geo-rge | g333k_laptop: hook a rocket onto it, light fuse, run away |
| 02:27.41 | abrotman | ttyfscker: then you have your answer |
| 02:28.06 | rahul | s/run away/sit on rocket/ |
| 02:28.15 | Azar | Linux_Jones: any reason 2.6.8 won't be good for you? |
| 02:28.20 | amphi | Linux_Jones: there are backported kernels |
| 02:28.28 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, toshiba satellite a75-s229 |
| 02:28.36 | Softly | Hi |
| 02:28.39 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: KDE or GNOME or what ? |
| 02:28.40 | ttyfscker | why is iceweasel 2 in the debian repos though.. but not on the gnu.org site? |
| 02:28.45 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, gnome |
| 02:28.47 | geo-rge | as in a morning sunrise? |
| 02:29.00 | Azar | ttyfscker: because is a debian baby? |
| 02:29.00 | Linux_Jones | azar im on a laptop and acpi screwes up my monitor |
| 02:29.05 | ttyfscker | abrotman:: i can just make my own package for *buntu.. |
| 02:29.17 | ttyfscker | Azar:: ? |
| 02:29.18 | Linux_Jones | amphi, what is a backported kernel |
| 02:29.27 | Azar | Linux_Jones: maybe a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 will help? |
| 02:29.32 | geo-rge | a kernel that has been backported!! |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | ttyfscker: ASK THEM |
| 02:29.52 | amphi | Linux_Jones: a newer kernel packaged for sarge - see backports.org |
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| 02:30.02 | floundering | oops :( I need a 2.6.15 or later kernel, its time for a backported kernel... |
| 02:30.07 | Azar | Linux_Jones: a backported package / kernel / whatever is a package you get from outside your repositories |
| 02:30.09 | geo-rge | (and placed on backports.org) |
| 02:30.14 | ttyfscker | abrotman:: thanks for caps |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: change the acceleration in the mouse preferences |
| 02:30.30 | abrotman | ttyfscker: look .. you're in #debian asking about ubuntu .. |
| 02:30.32 | ttyfscker | didn't mean to get all "political" |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | you deserve it |
| 02:30.35 | Linux_Jones | azar that dosent work i have to shut off acpi in grub or it shuts my monitor off ( not just blanks it) half way through boot |
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| 02:30.47 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, but my mouse works good... it will change also the mouse speed? |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | g333k_laptop: try it and see |
| 02:31.03 | ttyfscker | im not freakin asking about ubuntu.. im asking about iceweasel.. it just so happens i am wondering where the source tar ball for iceweasel 2 is |
| 02:31.07 | ttyfscker | gnu.org doesnt have it |
| 02:31.11 | geo-rge | ttyfscker: you try supporting all the different debian-based dists, including debian itself... |
| 02:31.12 | ttyfscker | you dont have to be a dick about it.. |
| 02:31.21 | Azar | Linux_Jones: like people here say, try to get a higher kernel from outside Sarge repositories via backports |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | ttyfscker: you should know better |
| 02:31.35 | ttyfscker | jesus christ |
| 02:31.37 | abrotman | and it's at gnu.org |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 02:31.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 02:31.45 | geo-rge | I'm just saying why |
| 02:31.49 | ttyfscker | for version 2 |
| 02:31.51 | ttyfscker | its on that link |
| 02:31.56 | ttyfscker | ok go have a peek yourself |
| 02:32.03 | ttyfscker | before you get all uptight and anxious |
| 02:32.05 | geo-rge | it may appear to be political, but the real issue is work |
| 02:32.11 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, it only accelerates the mouse, not the touchpad...besides the click doesnt work when I tap the touchpad |
| 02:32.13 | abrotman | i really don't care .. it's for an ubuntu box ... |
| 02:32.20 | ttyfscker | haha |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 02:32.23 | dpkg | [synaptics] a driver for the touchpad on many laptops for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics or xserver-xorg-input-synaptics and "man synaptics" for the driver options, if its not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html |
| 02:32.32 | ttyfscker | how long you been using debian abrotman ? |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | long enough to know better than to ask about ubuntu questions in #debian |
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| 02:33.06 | ttyfscker | ok |
| 02:33.10 | ttyfscker | lemme rephrase the question |
| 02:33.20 | Azar | ubuntu uses other tricks than debian, so no answers here: we dont know ubuntu |
| 02:33.32 | ttyfscker | does DEBIAN src repos have the iceweasel 2 source code ? |
| 02:33.42 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 02:33.58 | g333k_laptop | how can I find the brand of my touchpad? |
| 02:33.58 | ttyfscker | someone needs a zanny |
| 02:34.01 | geo-rge | and that would be at least 5 mins, or zero mins given a quick check of the topic and reading the channel faq (I guess... I haven't actually tried that) |
| 02:34.10 | Ronin | someone needs to be able to read i think |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | someone needs a kick in the head |
| 02:34.40 | ttyfscker | exactly why i dont use debian anymore.. |
| 02:34.47 | ttyfscker | the attitude you fellers have |
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| 02:34.54 | Azar | woohooo! |
| 02:34.54 | Ronin | ttyfscker: go to redhat and ask about mandriva |
| 02:34.56 | sussudio | !fist ttyfscker |
| 02:35.00 | Azar | haha |
| 02:35.09 | abrotman | ttyfscker: THEN GO BACK TO #UBUNTU |
| 02:35.18 | ttyfscker | its one thing to ask about UBUNTU |
| 02:35.25 | ttyfscker | its another to ask about a debianfucking package |
| 02:35.27 | abrotman | they're stupid and can't answer your questions ? |
| 02:35.37 | Ronin | heh abrotman |
| 02:35.47 | Azar | ttyfscker: there is a www.debian.org, filled with info |
| 02:35.59 | geo-rge | ttyfscker: you seem to be stuck in a loop |
| 02:36.00 | ttyfscker | Azar:: whats that? |
| 02:36.03 | Ronin | Azar: course its debian specific, no telling wha tit will do on ubuntu |
| 02:36.27 | Azar | Ronin: his skin if he wants to burn his distro with packages from debian |
| 02:36.34 | Ronin | Azar: true |
| 02:36.48 | Azar | ttyfscker: you gonna break your stuff, don't come here crying |
| 02:36.56 | ttyfscker | im not going to break shit man |
| 02:37.04 | geo-rge | ttyfscker: anyway, here's another part of the problem... while ubuntu might use debian packaging system as it exists in debian itself, the packages are different |
| 02:37.05 | CHodapp | AAAAAAAH |
| 02:37.08 | ttyfscker | i just wanted to know if there was a site with 2.0 |
| 02:37.11 | jelly-home | ttyfscker: In addition, I'm not sure that GNU IceWeasel and what Debian has/will have as iceweasel is the same thing |
| 02:37.18 | ttyfscker | i didnt ask for a lecture about your damn debian politics |
| 02:37.22 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: they are not |
| 02:37.23 | ttyfscker | if i wanted that i would format and reinstall |
| 02:37.25 | abrotman | then please /part |
| 02:37.28 | ttyfscker | and wait 5 yrs for anything to get done |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 02:37.48 | dpkg | from memory, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net |
| 02:37.48 | amphi | jelly-home: they aren't [yet] I believe |
| 02:37.49 | Azar | ttyfscker: you are the one coming in here with an attitude, you get your deserved feedback |
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| 02:37.57 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: what a fine mess |
| 02:38.01 | ttyfscker | i didnt have an attitude at first |
| 02:38.11 | ttyfscker | as i recall i asked in an appropriate manner |
| 02:38.18 | ttyfscker | and you all throw it down my fucking throat |
| 02:38.21 | dondelelcaro | ttyfscker: do you actually have a #debian related question? If not, kindly stop. |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | you asked about ubuntu packages for iceweasel |
| 02:38.34 | Azar | ttyfscker: as I remember I answered you about iceweasel and you made faces at me |
| 02:38.38 | Azar | not nice |
| 02:38.39 | geo-rge | ttyfscker: OK, I'm all done trying to reason with you... your present emotional state is getting in the way (btw, when exactly did I throw anything at you?) |
| 02:38.40 | ttyfscker | well isnt iceweasel maintained by debian |
| 02:38.47 | dondelelcaro | ttyfscker: no |
| 02:38.47 | geo-rge | yes it is |
| 02:38.52 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: no, it's not. |
| 02:38.55 | ttyfscker | ok |
| 02:38.56 | ttyfscker | see |
| 02:38.57 | ttyfscker | here we go |
| 02:38.58 | geo-rge | it's not? how did I get it? |
| 02:38.58 | ttyfscker | it is |
| 02:38.59 | ttyfscker | its not |
| 02:39.01 | dondelelcaro | all iceweasel is is an unbranded firefox package. |
| 02:39.01 | ttyfscker | blah blah |
| 02:39.03 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:39.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/ttyfscker] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:39.04 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:39.20 | Azar | ttyfscker: my bad, I appologize, now calm down |
| 02:39.31 | geo-rge | oh wait, that's right, I didn't get iceweasel |
| 02:39.31 | dondelelcaro | (currently, anyway. Whether it will continue like that is entirely up to the maintainers of the package in Debian. |
| 02:40.03 | Stevie-O | people get in fights over the silliest things |
| 02:40.19 | Azar | it would be nice to have our own debian browser |
| 02:40.36 | dondelelcaro | there's no fight; the mozilla foundation asked for us to stop using their trademark, so we did. |
| 02:40.44 | dondelelcaro | it's entirely their right to do so. |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | use epiphany! |
| 02:41.00 | Azar | dondelelcaro: did you read the latest news? mozilla softened on that tone.. |
| 02:41.04 | geo-rge | then we could try incorporating it in the kernel somehow, claim it's part of the os... |
| 02:41.13 | geo-rge | oh wait, that's already been done :) |
| 02:41.14 | dondelelcaro | Azar: not yet, they haven't |
| 02:41.38 | dondelelcaro | Azar: they've been trying to work closer with distributions, but they have not yet changed their trademark policy |
| 02:41.39 | abrotman | check slashdot :) |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | i like the icons/logos |
| 02:42.10 | jelly-home | Azar: they softened on the working with distros to integrate patches and stuff... there was afaict no progress on the trademark issue that concerns Debian |
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| 02:43.51 | jelly-home | As for my current favorite Debian silliness, is it true that etch won't have glibc documentation? </troll> |
| 02:44.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it has it in non-free, not main. |
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| 02:44.26 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: but non-free is not Debian... |
| 02:44.46 | Azar | http://christopher.aillon.org/blog/dev/mozilla/20061204-linux-alliance.html << yes the debian issue is not yet resolved, I guess this is just "let's say we can be nice" |
| 02:44.47 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: not part of the distribution, but it is distributed by the project. |
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| 02:45.03 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: Was there a commitement to keep non-free as long as necessary? |
| 02:45.08 | abrotman | Azar: so until they say otherwise .. still can't happen |
| 02:45.24 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: no, but the last time there was a GR on it, we decided not to get rid of it |
| 02:45.52 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: what we're really more interested in is working on fixing the issues with the documentation licenses that the FSF uses; the GSFDL is a step towards that goal. |
| 02:46.04 | magyar | how can i enable source routing in etch? |
| 02:46.08 | Lonnie | OK guys, one last issue, X starts right up, gets to my IceWM screen, everything is there, BUT, the rodent does Not Move. Get (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI Capable when I kill X. |
| 02:46.10 | Azar | by that time, myself I will be running iceweasel for quite some time, and will lose interest in using mozilla's stuff |
| 02:46.17 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: oh, there's a new doc license? |
| 02:46.35 | jelly-home | didn't know about that. |
| 02:46.36 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: a draft of one |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | Lonnie: which mouse device is X using ? |
| 02:46.56 | geo-rge | Lonnie: you mean when you move the rodent, the pointer represented on the screen does not move I assume? |
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| 02:47.45 | Lonnie | Yes geo-rge and I'll brb with the rest abrotman |
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| 02:48.12 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: it would have been easier if Debian had decided doc. is not to be treated as software, I'm still hoping for that to happen at some point |
| 02:48.30 | Linux_Jones | so what are the odds of that acpi thing being an issue in etch? |
| 02:48.31 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: that's impossible to do |
| 02:48.46 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: there's no way to demarcate between the two |
| 02:48.50 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: eh, nothing is impossible ;-) |
| 02:48.52 | Lonnie | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.00 | abrotman | do you ahve a serial mouse ? |
| 02:49.18 | jelly-home | But I see the point |
| 02:49.35 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: if you can figure out how to demarcate the two, then it may be possible to even begin discussing the issue. However, to date (and this has been going on for a few years) no one has been able to do that at all. |
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| 02:50.30 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: Well, one idea would be to rely on upstream to say what's software and what's documentation. |
| 02:50.52 | jelly-home | (even if they're part of the same file) |
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| 02:51.45 | Phoenix92x | excuse me, whats the other command for permissions setting that sounds similar to chown? |
| 02:51.47 | Phoenix92x | I cant remember |
| 02:51.53 | CHodapp | chmod |
| 02:52.04 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: uhhh... that's a non-starter. |
| 02:52.30 | Linux_Jones | is etch the "stable" verion on the debian web site? |
| 02:52.31 | CHodapp | Phoenix92x: be careful, that's a non-Debian question, so they might jump down your throat. |
| 02:52.35 | Phoenix92x | thank you CHodapp |
| 02:52.39 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: upstreams can then lie to restrict the ability of people to modify software, and circumvent the DFSG. |
| 02:52.42 | Phoenix92x | heh, true |
| 02:52.53 | geo-rge | that's -the- permission setting command :) |
| 02:53.01 | geo-rge | chown is not |
| 02:53.02 | Phoenix92x | I think the people here are pretty nice as long as you dont come in with "HALP!! T3h INTERWEBS ARE BROKON" |
| 02:53.10 | TraceGreen | Hello, when i plug my usb pen, my system can't find it. fdisk can't get any info about usb pen. |
| 02:53.14 | aredhel | Linux_Jones, Etch is still testing |
| 02:53.21 | cast | HA:{ MY INTERWEBS R BRKN |
| 02:53.39 | dondelelcaro | if you're talking here, it clearly isn't. |
| 02:53.41 | geo-rge | TraceGreen: watch your logs while you insert/remove |
| 02:53.47 | Phoenix92x | the interwebs being broken is a pain |
| 02:53.53 | CrazednDazed | yeh it is |
| 02:53.54 | Phoenix92x | you have to get new fuses and everything |
| 02:54.09 | TraceGreen | geo-rge, dmesg? |
| 02:54.14 | Stevie-O | screw the interwebs |
| 02:54.25 | abrotman | tin cans and string! |
| 02:54.26 | geo-rge | TraceGreen: might show up there, yea |
| 02:54.50 | cast | hmm. anyone know a good writeup on the topic of "The internet is not WWW"? |
| 02:54.50 | geo-rge | who needs string... we got wireless now! |
| 02:55.22 | geo-rge | cast: "The Whole Internet" |
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| 02:55.38 | Linux_Jones | why sint there ever a 686 version of the installer? |
| 02:55.41 | jelly-home | cast: sure it is, after all, you explore it using the Internet Explorer :-> |
| 02:55.58 | abrotman | Linux_Jones: not everyone has 686 |
| 02:56.10 | Coweater | Linux_Jones: seems redundant, an installer doesn't need to be optimized |
| 02:56.11 | geo-rge | Linux_Jonesz: there doesn't need to be. install from that, and then replace your kernel |
| 02:56.16 | cast | i have the issue that my uni and all its documents say i have 'internet access'. but i do not, i have www access. which i think is very pathetic for a university |
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| 02:56.41 | CHodapp | cast: my campus access sometimes qualifies as "LAN access and occasional internet access" |
| 02:56.54 | geo-rge | cast: how is it that you do not? |
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| 02:57.05 | CHodapp | cast: I thought it was particularly annoying a few days ago when I couldn't do anything unless I was pingflooding the main DNS |
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| 02:57.32 | cast | geo-rge: default deny firewall ruleset. the only outgoing access allowed goes through a squid proxy |
| 02:58.07 | cast | i went ot the IT support department to tell them my internet didn't work, as i couldn't ssh out. ended up having to explain what ssh was |
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| 02:59.33 | geo-rge | so actually they do not know what internet access is |
| 02:59.34 | cast | i didn't bother explaining how ssh was more useful to my work than say being able to access http://rapidshare.de, i think its best to just go to the top of the chain of command rather than mess around with not-very-bright IT support guys |
| 02:59.44 | CHodapp | cast: I had Internet issues one day so I called the IT department... they asked what OS I was on, then immediately said "I'm not qualified to handle this." and transferred me to another department. |
| 02:59.57 | krenin | Good evening. |
| 03:02.07 | cast | also seems the general attitude is that the students are inmates rather than highly paying customers :| |
| 03:02.32 | CHodapp | cast: some of the students around me sure act like inmates. |
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| 03:03.28 | CHodapp | cast: was worst last year - my (ex-)roommate swore that college was like some oppressive torture, so he refused to comply by going to classes or ever leaving his bed more than necessary |
| 03:04.09 | geo-rge | ok... I have two sorted lists, in text files... I want to form a third list file whose items are those items in the first list not contained in the second |
| 03:04.12 | CHodapp | I think he believed college was holding him back from taking the world by storm with his good looks, supreme intelligence, and rare creativity. |
| 03:04.13 | geo-rge | how? |
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| 03:04.23 | brian111 | Does anyone know anything about random hibernation issues? |
| 03:04.49 | brian111 | My box won't hibernate anymore, says something about trying swapon -a |
| 03:04.52 | brian111 | that doesnt work |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | everyone has them ? :) |
| 03:05.03 | abrotman | geo-rge: ask #bash |
| 03:05.04 | cast | CHodapp: did you mention to him that it was optional? [college, that is] |
| 03:05.05 | brian111 | It started recently |
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| 03:06.03 | CHodapp | cast: I'm pretty sure he know, but he wanted to look like a prisoner in the meantime. |
| 03:06.28 | CHodapp | s/know/knew/ |
| 03:07.19 | brian111 | This hibernation issue is killer' |
| 03:07.25 | CHodapp | he was angry that it always took him so long to explain to people why he was smarter than the rest of the world. |
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| 03:09.05 | herbi | hey guys im having this weird problem |
| 03:09.07 | herbi | deb unstable |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | ask a whole question :) |
| 03:09.21 | herbi | when in X, sometimes my fonts 'vanish' and can only be brought back by highlighting the text |
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| 03:09.47 | herbi | like ill be browsing slashdot and the text will dissappear (not all of it, just some chunks) and then it has to be brought back by highlighting |
| 03:10.24 | yunhual | make -n install |
| 03:10.24 | brian111 | K well thanks anyway guys, ill ask tomorrow' |
| 03:10.25 | yunhual | i can see /usr/bin/install -c isc-config.sh /usr/local/bin |
| 03:10.27 | yunhual | what is isc-config.sh's role there ? |
| 03:10.28 | yunhual | will that excute isc-config.sh ? |
| 03:10.39 | herbi | abrotman, any ideas? |
| 03:10.58 | herbi | im using the mozilla.org version of firefox, but the .deb version did the same thing |
| 03:11.00 | abrotman | check the BTS ? i haven't seen anything like that on my system |
| 03:11.01 | sakya | hi,i want to use apt-get with ftp proxy,how do i write the apt.conf |
| 03:11.26 | abrotman | there's examples in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ or something like that |
| 03:11.34 | herbi | abchirk, what should i search for? |
| 03:12.00 | abrotman | probably something related to fonts or xorg |
| 03:12.10 | abrotman | which is a lot to search through |
| 03:12.19 | sakya | i see it , the ProxyLogin section,i don't know how to |
| 03:12.38 | herbi | ok well the problem was that originally, it was only happening in the browser window so ididnt mind too much |
| 03:12.46 | herbi | and now its happening in the tabs AND the url bar |
| 03:13.13 | herbi | abrotman, i came in here and asked about it before, some guy said it happens to him sometimes, but he couldnt find anything in the BTS, i guess ill have a look |
| 03:13.26 | enouf_ | brian111: using any encryption? |
| 03:13.43 | brian111 | Um nope. |
| 03:13.44 | abrotman | herbi: anything on the debian-x or debian-users mailing list (google might help here) |
| 03:13.50 | brian111 | It worked for a while then stopped. |
| 03:14.26 | herbi | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2003-February/000052.html |
| 03:14.29 | rpc | how can i check if there are some libs on my system that are not needed? |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 03:14.58 | rpc | i did some fun with packages and i suspect that there is some crap left |
| 03:15.04 | abrotman | herbi: whoa .. that's old |
| 03:15.08 | rpc | oh |
| 03:15.10 | brian111 | enouf_ im not sure what changed |
| 03:15.19 | enouf_ | brian111: well that swapon error seems the key .. what have you altered? .. and can you get the exact error? grep though the /var/log/* files kern,sys,dmesg, messages |
| 03:15.46 | rpc | abrotman i never used that one before... it has shown me 4 names |
| 03:15.49 | brian111 | well that is pretty much the error |
| 03:15.56 | herbi | looks like truetype fonts is the issue |
| 03:16.00 | abrotman | rpc: man deborphan will explain more |
| 03:16.00 | rpc | abrotman i'm not sure how to interpret that result |
| 03:16.04 | rpc | ok |
| 03:16.05 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 03:16.06 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 03:16.09 | herbi | abrotman, is this new enough https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319867 |
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| 03:16.32 | rpc | that's it.. a grown debian lol |
| 03:16.36 | rpc | how true :) |
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| 03:16.58 | brian111 | then I run swapon -a and get this error : swapon: cannot stat /dev/disk/by-uuid/698817de-4661-4ea1-8e26-59391466e1ba: No such file or directory |
| 03:16.59 | rpc | is there anything else that i could use to clean a grown debian? |
| 03:17.01 | k-man_ | how do i download the source to a particular version of a .deb? |
| 03:17.12 | abrotman | rpc: debfoster |
| 03:17.16 | k-man_ | apt-get source package/unstable doesn't seem to work |
| 03:17.25 | rpc | argh this i really don't know, sounds cool |
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| 03:17.38 | abrotman | rpc: or use aptitude for installing stuff |
| 03:17.55 | rpc | and how about deborphan info if i wsa playing with unstable stuff on stable distro? can i really remove packages and don't worry? |
| 03:18.24 | brian111 | swsusp: Cannot find swap device, try swapon -a. is the error on hibernation enouf_ |
| 03:18.24 | rpc | i made a few things working but i can't really tell what is using what |
| 03:18.36 | enouf_ | brian111: that's lvm? and/or mdadm? |
| 03:18.48 | brian111 | huh? |
| 03:18.52 | brian111 | its not lvm for sure |
| 03:18.57 | brian111 | logical volume? |
| 03:19.15 | enouf_ | brian111: why /dev/disk/by-uuid? .. |
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| 03:19.44 | niru | hello all |
| 03:19.48 | enouf_ | how many disks and partitions you have ? |
| 03:19.56 | brian111 | two partitions |
| 03:20.06 | brian111 | root and swap |
| 03:20.31 | enouf_ | brian111: so why the naming conventions |
| 03:21.07 | brian111 | I don't know |
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| 03:21.08 | brian111 | That is where it is looking... |
| 03:21.08 | brian111 | Like I said, worked before |
| 03:21.08 | brian111 | dmesg also outputs this |
| 03:21.08 | enouf_ | brian111: well debian doesn't do that .. (atleast not as default |
| 03:21.10 | niru | does anybody knows the command in zenity to get complex windows |
| 03:21.23 | comfrey | is there a tool for randomizing apt servers? |
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| 03:21.40 | enouf_ | brian111: cat /proc/version says what? |
| 03:22.09 | enouf_ | niru: -exec complex crap :-P |
| 03:22.17 | brian111 | Im not running straight debian.. I use ubuntu but hate their "help" in the channel |
| 03:22.23 | enouf_ | niru: joking |
| 03:22.28 | CrazednDazed | I am trying to install the nvidia drivers. When I run the installer, I get failed cc check, gcc not the same version that compiled kernel (in the error log). Does anyone know how to set the IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH variable to on? |
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| 03:22.37 | enouf_ | !tell brian111 about ubuntu |
| 03:22.59 | brian111 | Yeah I understand its different. |
| 03:23.00 | CrazednDazed | or anything else I can do, I recently updated the kernel. |
| 03:23.00 | niru | window with radio buttons in one side,checklist in another side,drop down list in bottom side etc |
| 03:23.08 | brian111 | Just people in there are useless most times... |
| 03:23.13 | rpc | hm is there a quick and sure way of undeleting files in ext2? |
| 03:23.22 | niru | enouf:any idea |
| 03:23.24 | rpc | just a single file i just rm'ed |
| 03:23.28 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 03:23.28 | dpkg | [undelete] great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
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| 03:23.50 | enouf_ | brian111: see? .. i was going to ask you some things about your sysfs config and such .. may have really b0rk3d your system |
| 03:23.57 | rpc | thank you again, abrotman |
| 03:24.07 | brian111 | This is the first time I have asked in here. |
| 03:24.19 | cast | how is the point of journalling to not be able to undelete files? |
| 03:24.20 | brian111 | I haven;t needed elp since I installed this time. |
| 03:24.35 | niru | dpkg:do you have any idea about the commands in zenity for complex windows |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | niru: dpkg is a bot |
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| 03:25.10 | rpc | hm don't see undelete in mc :/ |
| 03:25.13 | enouf_ | brian111: needing help is normal and very acceptable .. nah .. that's what we're here for .. asking help about something "not Debian" is what's the concern |
| 03:25.14 | CrazednDazed | I am trying to install the nvidia drivers. When I run the installer, I get failed cc check, gcc not the same version that compiled kernel (in the error log). Does anyone know how to set the IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH variable to on? Or I think the;re is an export command to sync the versions....anybody? |
| 03:25.23 | brian111 | Yeah definately understand. |
| 03:25.27 | doubleoh | Anyone running unstable and encounter glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer with mysql 5.0.30? |
| 03:25.29 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:25.29 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 03:25.31 | enouf_ | er .. i meany nay .. not nah |
| 03:25.36 | brian111 | Figured someone might know something, should have said Ubuntu off the bat. |
| 03:25.44 | brian111 | To be honest Im just about ready to go back to straight deb |
| 03:26.01 | brian111 | Things are in such weird places in Ubuntu.\ |
| 03:26.21 | doubleoh | It's on the larger queries. I tried config settings for everything hoping it was a query limit. I would not like to downgrade. |
| 03:26.42 | enouf_ | brian111: come back to Debian .. then YOU can personally tell all those ubuntu stragglers just how diff it is .. and why we can't help :-P |
| 03:27.15 | brian111 | Haha I've used both, Ubuntu is painless to install but hard to get running the way I want, Deb is more painful but easier to maintain. |
| 03:27.17 | doubleoh | What is the ideal glibc for 5.0.30? I am getting crashes. |
| 03:27.23 | brian111 | I might just go Fedora :-O |
| 03:27.39 | brian111 | Thanks for the help enouf_ I'm out for the night. |
| 03:27.40 | Lonnie | abrotman; I didn't catch your reply about the rodent. I have a USB mouse going into a PS/2 adapter going into a 4 port KVM switch, and it used to work on that box, still works on this one, a neighbors XP box and an old compaq running testing. |
| 03:27.55 | abrotman | use mousedev and use /dev/input/mice |
| 03:28.07 | Lonnie | OK |
| 03:28.38 | brian111 | Night all |
| 03:29.56 | Lonnie | abrotman; Failed to load mousedev |
| 03:30.30 | abrotman | Lonnie: which kenrel ? |
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| 03:30.39 | Lonnie | 2.6.12 |
| 03:30.49 | abrotman | selfcompiled ? |
| 03:31.30 | Guerin | there's no good reason to use 2.6.12 in this day and age |
| 03:31.42 | Lonnie | 2.6.12-1-386, and I do think I installed it as an image. |
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| 03:32.00 | Guerin | Lonnie: update |
| 03:32.17 | abrotman | linux-image-2.6-386 |
| 03:32.25 | Lonnie | Guerin; do a kernel update |
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| 03:32.28 | Lonnie | I can do that. |
| 03:32.29 | abrotman | but that kernel should still have mousedev |
| 03:32.38 | abrotman | Lonnie: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-386 |
| 03:32.38 | MrTelephone | what method do you use to discover hosts on a network? |
| 03:32.46 | MrTelephone | can you sniff arp requests? |
| 03:32.52 | Guerin | it should, but somethign like udev/hal/hotplug might be fucking with it |
| 03:32.56 | Lonnie | abrotman; will do that right now. |
| 03:33.00 | enouf_ | MrTelephone: nmap maybe |
| 03:33.03 | abrotman | Lonnie: what's your CPU ? |
| 03:33.53 | Lonnie | Running a 380 AMD on this box. |
| 03:33.59 | abrotman | a waht ? |
| 03:34.16 | Lonnie | An AMD 380mhz. |
| 03:34.20 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:34.28 | Guerin | the 1990s want their computer back |
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| 03:34.41 | enouf_ | Lonnie: you can use a 686 .. |
| 03:34.41 | Lonnie | Could probably got with 486, maybe even 596 |
| 03:34.47 | mrgenixus | can't seem to delete the sahdow file either |
| 03:34.47 | abrotman | enouf_: no |
| 03:34.56 | Guerin | not 686 |
| 03:34.56 | enouf_ | abrotman: why the heck not |
| 03:34.57 | mrgenixus | so in summation, I can't write to that file because some mesterious force protects the file |
| 03:35.01 | Guerin | 386, or k6 |
| 03:35.02 | abrotman | enouf_: it's a k6 |
| 03:35.06 | mrgenixus | and as a result, I can't install passwd |
| 03:35.08 | abrotman | or k6-2 |
| 03:35.20 | enouf_ | bah |
| 03:35.20 | Lonnie | OK, apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:35.20 | mrgenixus | any suggestions greatly appreciated |
| 03:35.20 | abrotman | mrgenixus: you can't do what ? |
| 03:35.21 | Guerin | enouf_: because amd chips pre-athlon were 586, but not 686 compliant |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | Lonnie: no .. -386 |
| 03:35.29 | mrgenixus | I can't install passwd |
| 03:35.36 | mrgenixus | apt-get install passwd fails |
| 03:35.37 | MrTelephone | how would you plug into a switch and if there is no dhcp server, find the subnet and ip address of the network? |
| 03:35.38 | Guerin | mrgenixus: then you need to reinstall |
| 03:35.41 | Lonnie | OK abrotman. |
| 03:35.51 | Supaplex | mrgenixus: is the filesystem read/write? are you root? is the file immutable? |
| 03:35.52 | mrgenixus | Guerin: um, thanks. |
| 03:35.57 | Guerin | wtf would passwd not be installed already? |
| 03:35.59 | mrgenixus | I'm root |
| 03:36.19 | enouf_ | Guerin: crap .. didn't realize that .. all Intels from p-pros 133MHZ cab use 686 .. I just assumed .. but I "should" know better .. |
| 03:36.20 | mrgenixus | becuase I was trying to force it to install becuase member files of the package were missing |
| 03:36.25 | abrotman | mrgenixus: is there an actual error ? |
| 03:36.40 | mrgenixus | for example the file /usr/bin/ passwd didn't exist |
| 03:36.41 | minerale | I'm having some trouble getting truecrypt to work -- has anyone compiled a truecrypt kernel module before ? |
| 03:36.45 | enouf_ | abrotman: I stand corrected |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | duh :) |
| 03:36.57 | mrgenixus | the error is pwck: unable to open /etc/shadow |
| 03:37.22 | Guerin | mrgenixus: what did you do to fuck this up? |
| 03:37.43 | mrgenixus | If I knew that I could reverse the course of actions |
| 03:37.53 | abrotman | doubtful ;) |
| 03:37.59 | Guerin | mrgenixus: ok. WHat have you don since it last worked properly? |
| 03:38.10 | mrgenixus | technically nthing is broken |
| 03:38.11 | abrotman | Guerin: he forced the removal of the passwd package |
| 03:38.20 | Guerin | mrgenixus: technically, something is definiter;ly broken |
| 03:38.20 | mrgenixus | I can't still do everything I could before |
| 03:38.30 | jelly-home | mrgenixus: except for that teeny " member files of the package were missing" bit |
| 03:38.34 | mrgenixus | I mean.. I can't do anything I could before, except change passwords |
| 03:38.45 | Supaplex | !confuse mrgenixus |
| 03:38.45 | dpkg | Yes, those was my snake tomorrow, mrgenixus? lederhosen of the democracy of swaziland with extra herring |
| 03:38.51 | mrgenixus | and as I haven't done that in some time.... |
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| 03:38.52 | Supaplex | too late... |
| 03:39.00 | geo-rge | mrgenixus: word to the wise... don't log out :) |
| 03:39.26 | abrotman | manually extract files ... |
| 03:39.27 | Guerin | mrgenixus: you need to follow the instructions in /msg dpkg irfp - except instead of changing the root pass, you need to go in with dpkg and install the passwd package again, using chroot or such |
| 03:39.34 | jelly-home | mrgenixus: had any power failures lately? Filesystem corruption? Kids playing around the root console? |
| 03:39.37 | mrgenixus | geo-rge: no? I have a gentoo-live, I can chroot in if neccesary |
| 03:39.38 | Guerin | 'mthis is non-trivial, you might want to consider reinstalling. |
| 03:40.07 | geo-rge | mrgenixus: get that package installed first |
| 03:40.13 | mrgenixus | jelly-home: possibly, but not extremely likely |
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| 03:40.16 | Lonnie | abrotman; this is as close as I could find. linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 (2.6.18-7) |
| 03:40.21 | mrgenixus | um, can't install passwd. |
| 03:40.22 | abrotman | Lonnie: that's fine |
| 03:40.25 | geo-rge | but Guerin is probably right |
| 03:40.31 | geo-rge | why? |
| 03:40.38 | Guerin | mrgenixus: try it once you're in single user mode or in a chroot |
| 03:40.42 | geo-rge | because you need the file |
| 03:40.42 | abrotman | because /etc/shadow is gone |
| 03:40.46 | Lonnie | OK, will install that rascel now. |
| 03:40.59 | mrgenixus | when I try I get the message 'pwck: unable to open /etc/passwd \n correct and rerun /sbin/shadowconfig on' |
| 03:41.17 | mrgenixus | /etc/shadow exists |
| 03:41.22 | mrgenixus | it's correct |
| 03:41.24 | abrotman | erm .. yeah .. i meant that :) |
| 03:41.26 | iLLf8d | hrm anyone know how to get firefox to use /etc/hosts entries in its lookups? |
| 03:41.29 | mrgenixus | and has 640 permissions |
| 03:41.34 | mrgenixus | owned root.shadow |
| 03:41.38 | abrotman | touch /etc/passwd ? |
| 03:41.51 | mrgenixus | abrotman: I don't understand |
| 03:41.59 | Guerin | it's a command |
| 03:42.00 | abrotman | i'm a dirty old man |
| 03:42.00 | Guerin | run it |
| 03:42.09 | mrgenixus | ok.. |
| 03:42.11 | abrotman | of course .. it'll be empty |
| 03:42.20 | abrotman | and nothing will work correctly .. ever again .. but hey .. why not |
| 03:42.33 | Lonnie | I resemble that remark there abrotman. :p |
| 03:42.38 | mrgenixus | but /etc/passwd already exists, and has the correct list of users and information in it |
| 03:42.39 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:42.56 | mrgenixus | and still does, now i just update the filetime... congrats |
| 03:43.03 | mrgenixus | and I know this is non-trivial |
| 03:43.13 | abrotman | paste the whole error |
| 03:43.15 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:43.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:43.32 | mrgenixus | when I fist noticed that passw was gone (2 hours ago) I aksed int his channel, googled, and then tried to figure out the answer on my own |
| 03:43.57 | Guerin | mrgenixus: i really can't even get a handle on what's wrong |
| 03:44.00 | mrgenixus | which error should I paste |
| 03:44.03 | Guerin | mrgenixus: would suggest a reboot and a fsck |
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| 03:45.04 | mrgenixus | yes, but as this is my internet router, It would deprive me of my primary means of support and as I suspect bad ram, I'd rather not run fsck just now, if it's my only choice I will, but I need other options first |
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| 03:45.46 | jelly-home | mrgenixus: if it IS bad ram there's no telling what else is going to corrupt |
| 03:45.57 | herbi | hello |
| 03:46.01 | herbi | abrotman: still around? |
| 03:46.02 | mrgenixus | yes, I know what happens with ram, been there done that, |
| 03:46.08 | herbi | now fluxbox is doing the same thing! |
| 03:46.09 | herbi | argh |
| 03:46.13 | herbi | please help |
| 03:46.18 | herbi | i checked antialiasing is installed |
| 03:46.21 | abrotman | herbi: missing fonts ? |
| 03:46.21 | herbi | uh enabled |
| 03:46.25 | herbi | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:46.29 | herbi | the text just vanishes |
| 03:46.45 | herbi | and only appears if highlighte |
| 03:46.45 | mrgenixus | but if noone can tell me what's protecting /etc/shadow in spite of system permissions, there's obviously no point in continuing to discuss this... |
| 03:46.52 | Phoenix92x | if I have two soundcards how do I determine which one is used? |
| 03:47.15 | Lonnie | abrotman; Hum, on my laptop, which is running 2.6.17-2-486 kernel, the touchpad is 'mouse' and /dev/psaux |
| 03:47.17 | Phoenix92x | there's an onboard one and an audigy and I want it to play out of the audigy, how do I do this? |
| 03:47.38 | abrotman | Lonnie: that's another way |
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| 03:48.02 | h00t | hello |
| 03:48.12 | jelly-home | mrgenixus: is the filesystem currently writable? |
| 03:48.19 | mrgenixus | yes... |
| 03:48.35 | abrotman | herbi: dpkg -l *fonts* |
| 03:48.57 | h00t | hey eveyone i know this doesn't belong here but why isn't anyone talking on #slackware i'm i missing something |
| 03:49.20 | h00t | ppl are there ... it's just no talk |
| 03:49.42 | abrotman | h00t: try #freenode-social |
| 03:49.45 | Lonnie | abrotman; It didn't work on this one I'm trying to get working again. Tried it yesterday. |
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| 03:49.54 | Lonnie | Might with the newer kernel though. |
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| 03:50.49 | herbi | abrotman: msttcorefonts, xfonts-100dpi, xfonts-xfree86, xfonts-base, xfonts-encoding, etc all install |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | they only go away sometimes ? |
| 03:51.40 | herbi | abrotman: consistently vanishing now |
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| 03:51.58 | jelly-home | mrgenixus: I'd day connect the modem to the other machine, set up the internet connection then check your hardware |
| 03:52.01 | herbi | for example my fluxbox right click menu is showing a few items as blank, and the clock is hidden |
| 03:52.05 | jelly-home | s/day/say/ |
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| 03:52.14 | enouf_ | !defoma |
| 03:52.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, defoma is Debian Font Manager, and automatic configuration framework for fonts. |
| 03:52.22 | herbi | i know what defoma is |
| 03:52.36 | enouf_ | I didn't |
| 03:53.03 | abrotman | herbi: but they aren't totally missing ? |
| 03:53.12 | Lonnie | abrotman; Bet I should have installed the headers for that image first, Hun. |
| 03:53.20 | abrotman | Lonnie: why? |
| 03:53.30 | abrotman | you could have installed all at once |
| 03:53.35 | abrotman | at the same time |
| 03:53.54 | herbi | abrotman: no cos once they are highlighted they return, but if you remove the cursor they go again |
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| 03:54.01 | Lonnie | Was looking for the source, deleted the modules. |
| 03:54.06 | herbi | the fonts are clearly there |
| 03:54.32 | enouf_ | herbi: got this in you XF86Config-4/xorg.conf file --> Section "Files" |
| 03:54.32 | enouf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.49 | herbi | enouf_: yes |
| 03:54.52 | abrotman | fonts are for girls! |
| 03:54.54 | herbi | i changed it, nothing happened |
| 03:54.58 | Lonnie | I could have, most likely should have, but I didn't. Getting them now, and can try again with the image. |
| 03:55.11 | enouf_ | herbi: have you been homogenizing ms with our beloved GNU/Linux? |
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| 03:55.13 | herbi | in fact x says it cant initalise it |
| 03:55.17 | jelly-home | enouf_: what use is a local font server when [s]he uses antialiased client-side fonts? |
| 03:55.21 | herbi | enouf_: eh? |
| 03:55.35 | herbi | i have msttcorefonts and some nonfree fonts installed |
| 03:55.55 | odla | every time i hit 2 buttons in gnome i get a warning that asks me if i want to disable sticky keys...how do i make that warning go away? |
| 03:56.01 | Lonnie | Thanks for all the help abrotman, enouf_ and geo-rge, Appreciate it. |
| 03:56.06 | odla | 2 buttons at the same time that is |
| 03:56.26 | Lonnie | Nite. |
| 03:56.29 | jelly-home | odla: sounds like an accessibility option |
| 03:56.52 | herbi | abrotman: any help? :( |
| 03:56.58 | herbi | this is retarded issue if you ask me |
| 03:57.02 | abrotman | i don't see anyhting for libpango |
| 03:57.04 | herbi | ive never had problem with debian fonts before |
| 03:57.27 | enouf_ | jelly-home: didn't catch any anti-aliasing info .. all I know .. that without it , my upgradr from XFree->Xorg was b0rk3d until I fixed that and some other mkfontdir commands and such .. a while back now |
| 03:57.43 | odla | jelly-home, thanks it was under that |
| 03:57.44 | lastnode | is there anyone who'd like to help with an OSS application that aims at improving the linux end user support process? we're looking for python devs, documentors and translators. |
| 03:58.13 | odla | abrotman, 5 more days and i leave edmonton!!! |
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| 03:58.21 | enouf_ | herbi: flashcrap/javacrap corruption? |
| 03:58.26 | jelly-home | lastnode: is it free? |
| 03:58.33 | herbi | enouf_: speak english please |
| 03:58.37 | jelly-home | nm, you said OSS |
| 03:58.37 | enouf_ | herbi: about:plugins says |
| 03:58.46 | herbi | enouf_: this is affecting FLUXBOX |
| 03:58.52 | enouf_ | !engrish |
| 03:58.52 | dpkg | it has been said that engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 03:58.56 | herbi | even before mozilla is loaded |
| 03:58.59 | jelly-home | lastnode: does the project have a name yet? |
| 03:59.09 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:59.35 | abrotman | i'd email debian-x or debian-user |
| 03:59.52 | enouf_ | !confuse enouf_ even more |
| 03:59.52 | dpkg | No, where are your hamster tomorrow, enouf_ even more? pants of the democracy of tibet with extra cheese |
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| 04:01.10 | lastnode | jelly, yes it's free, sorry i meant FOSS - and the project is - http://upstreamdev.org |
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| 04:02.01 | lastnode | jelly-home, ^^ |
| 04:02.04 | Varanger | hello |
| 04:02.14 | Varanger | I have modified heavily the partition table, how can I update the /etc/fstab automatically ??? |
| 04:03.10 | jelly-home | lastnode: thanks |
| 04:03.33 | rahul | Varanger: you can't |
| 04:03.42 | PORDO | who would i have to talk to, to point out that debian is using the wrong voting method? |
| 04:03.47 | lastnode | jelly-home, also #upstream |
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| 04:03.50 | rahul | Varanger: how will it guess what you're thinking? |
| 04:04.05 | centrx | PORDO why is it the wrong election method? |
| 04:04.14 | PORDO | it has fairly high bayesian regret. |
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| 04:04.46 | PORDO | http://www.rangevoting.org/Debian2003.html |
| 04:04.53 | PORDO | and has elected the wrong winner at least once. |
| 04:05.13 | PORDO | range voting is actually, in practice, typically a better condorcet method than real condorcet methods. |
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| 04:05.39 | PORDO | and when it doesn't pick the condorcet winner, it almost always picks a _better_ winner (i.e. a winner which produces a higher average utility value for the electorate) |
| 04:06.03 | PORDO | here are some bayesian regret numbers that show how vastly much better range voting is than condorcet: http://rangevoting.org/UniqBest.html |
| 04:06.41 | stew | PORDO: i found that the examples on that site were contrived and counted on the voters trying to outwit an non outwittable system |
| 04:08.29 | PORDO | stew explain. |
| 04:08.36 | PORDO | you can absolutely "outwit" condorcet methods. |
| 04:09.00 | PORDO | and even if you don't, that is, even if every voter is perfectly honest, range voting will produce lower bayesian regret than condorcet methods. |
| 04:09.16 | PORDO | even if voters are 100% strategic with range voting, and 100% honest with condorcet, range will produce better results. |
| 04:09.21 | PORDO | so your comment really makes no sense. |
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| 04:10.10 | PORDO | actually, condorcet methods can cause horrible problems when voters are strategic. see the DH3 pathology: http://www.rangevoting.org/DH3.html |
| 04:10.34 | PORDO | with range voting, this scenario doesn't happen. this is another reason why range voting absolute destroys condorcet. |
| 04:10.55 | centrx | do you have any information not from the range voting advocacy site? |
| 04:11.15 | PORDO | no. why? |
| 04:11.25 | PORDO | do you contest any of the bayesian regret numbers we offered? |
| 04:11.30 | PORDO | you're welcome to calculate your own. |
| 04:11.43 | PORDO | if you get different results, we'd love to see them, because we support the voting method that produces the lowest bayesian regret. |
| 04:11.54 | PORDO | or if you can point out any methodological flaws, be our guess. |
| 04:11.59 | PORDO | that's science. peer review. |
| 04:12.04 | centrx | "we"? |
| 04:12.06 | stew | PORDO: the DH3 makes no sense. It says that a candidate will rank a candidate that they don't want to win over one they want to win, i don't see any valid reason why someone would do that |
| 04:12.09 | PORDO | the center for range voting. |
| 04:12.14 | PORDO | all those affiliated with it, and supporting it. |
| 04:12.17 | stew | PORDO: the reasons given on that page don't make sense |
| 04:12.29 | PORDO | stew because it's strategically smart. |
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| 04:12.35 | stew | ^it says that a candidate^it says that a voter |
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| 04:12.42 | stew | PORDO: tell me why i would do it |
| 04:12.52 | PORDO | a lot of things on that site don't make sense until you spend a LOT of time examining voting methods. |
| 04:12.57 | PORDO | which is all i've been doing for about the past six months. |
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| 04:13.14 | PORDO | stew because say you like A, and want to help him win instead of B or C. |
| 04:13.28 | toraton | Hi, anyone know of a comprehensive howto on gstreamer? I can't get rhythmbox to play MP3 files. |
| 04:13.30 | enouf_ | PORDO: we can use your help in killing diebold |
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| 04:13.44 | herbi | lol |
| 04:13.44 | stew | PORDO: so tell me how putting either B or C above A would ever be a good strategy in condorcet? |
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| 04:13.52 | PORDO | stew there are lots of counter-intuitive strategies in election systems. connsider range voting, for instance. it is strategically wise to polarize your scores for the two front-runners, giving one a 10 and the other a 0, even if they are both your two favorites. |
| 04:14.06 | PORDO | stew you don't. read the page. |
| 04:14.11 | PORDO | the dark horse is D |
| 04:14.38 | PORDO | stew you need to understand that this _happens_. |
| 04:14.40 | PORDO | in real life. |
| 04:14.42 | PORDO | people do it. |
| 04:14.52 | PORDO | and it's strategically smart, even if the results can be catastrophic. |
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| 04:15.08 | toraton | Hmm. Is there a better place to ask this question? I assume it's because I'm missing a package, but you never know. |
| 04:15.23 | stew | PORDO: fine. if i think that D is a bad candidate, why would I rank him over b or c? it doesn't do anything to the a vs b, nor a vs c pairwise races |
| 04:15.37 | PORDO | and even if you don't believe the DH3 pathology is worrisome, range voting, approval voting, and borda all overwhelmingly beat Condorcet methods in Bayesian regret. |
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| 04:16.01 | PORDO | stew read the whole page. |
| 04:16.19 | PORDO | stew do you know what a condorcet cyclic ambiguity is? |
| 04:16.35 | PORDO | and how it is resolved using the current type of condorcet method used by debian? |
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| 04:17.10 | PORDO | range voting is WAYYYYYY simpler to compute than condorcet methods. |
| 04:17.13 | PORDO | and wayyyyyy better. |
| 04:17.18 | PORDO | in every way you could think of. |
| 04:17.21 | stew | PORDO: i've read the whole pag |
| 04:17.24 | stew | page |
| 04:17.26 | PORDO | okay. |
| 04:17.29 | centrx | no way! |
| 04:17.39 | PORDO | so do you understand that this scenario applies to an example where a > b > c > a.. |
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| 04:17.45 | PORDO | where there's likely to be a cyclic ambiguity. |
| 04:17.51 | PORDO | centrx it's a fact. |
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| 04:18.02 | stew | PORDO: has it come up in any previous debian vote? |
| 04:18.02 | PORDO | http://rangevoting.org/BayRegDum.html |
| 04:18.09 | PORDO | did you read the debian page? |
| 04:18.16 | dondelelcaro | PORDO: 1) the methods that debian uses to vote are OT here. 2) please, actually address the issues that Debian voting has to address. |
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| 04:18.47 | PORDO | ah, it doesn't apply to any of the debian elections thus far, because none of them have had a condorcet cycle. the odds of one are something like 10-19%. |
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| 04:19.09 | dondelelcaro | PORDO: it's rather useless to specify the odds unless you know the input set. |
| 04:19.16 | stew | hah |
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| 04:19.24 | PORDO | dondelelcaro no. that objection makes no sense. |
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| 04:19.38 | niles | hi |
| 04:19.44 | dondelelcaro | PORDO: the calculating the odds requires knowing how close the election is going to be, and how many people are going to vote; it's not knowable. |
| 04:19.44 | PORDO | we're talking about the probability, given an electorate, and various candidates with random positions on n issues. |
| 04:19.51 | niles | i noticed xine will not load unless if you're connected to the internet |
| 04:19.55 | PORDO | probability has to do with what you don't know. |
| 04:20.09 | enouf_ | notes that a lot of us have been losing our "senses" as of late |
| 04:20.30 | dondelelcaro | PORDO: you cannot calculate probability unless you can sample the population or otherwise determine the odds of something occuring, That's not possible to do here. |
| 04:20.37 | PORDO | dondelelcaro if i knew the exact trajectory and velocity that a die was being thrown at, i could tell you that its odds of landing on a six were 100%. saying they are 1/6 is a statement of having no knowledge of how the die will be thrown. |
| 04:20.47 | stew | if 10-19% was really accurate, i wonder what the chances are of avoiding it in all of 20 somevotes that have happened |
| 04:21.03 | PORDO | stew only like 6 debian elections have been published. |
| 04:21.06 | PORDO | we don't know that it hasn't happen.d |
| 04:21.08 | dondelelcaro | PORDO: 1/6th is a probability based on the die being fair and six sided; in the case of elections we don't know anything like that. |
| 04:21.43 | PORDO | we also can't read peoeple's minds, so it's not always possible to tell when DH3 happens. how do you _know_ that some candidate was actually a dark horse? |
| 04:21.43 | dondelelcaro | PORDO: furthermore, if you have objections like this about the voting system, I strongly suggest that you read how we determined to use the concordecet voting system, what it actually does and what it doesn't, and furthermore bring these issues up on -vote, not here where they're totally off topic. |
| 04:22.06 | PORDO | dondelelcaro so you run hundreds of millions of randomized elections and look. |
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| 04:22.16 | dondelelcaro | PORDO: that's assuming that elections are random; they're not. |
| 04:22.18 | centrx | PORDO why would an election be random? |
| 04:22.20 | PORDO | dondelelcaro honestly, you don't seem to understand anything about this. |
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| 04:22.32 | deppen | need help with tvcard and where to add the appropiate modules optionsat boottime , all i try make the system hang |
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| 04:27.17 | niru | I have some doubts |
| 04:27.31 | niru | I am using keyjnote tool for presentation |
| 04:27.59 | niru | I want to have a font end to select different transition for different pages |
| 04:28.04 | niru | how can I do that |
| 04:28.54 | dondelelcaro | niru: in order to display the transitions, you have to be using acroread; xpdf doesn't display them. |
| 04:29.42 | niru | dondelelcaro:keyjnote has no frontend |
| 04:30.00 | niru | dondelelcaro:I am adding by myself some of the frontends for userfriendlyness |
| 04:30.21 | niru | dondelelcaro:I did till now with zenity |
| 04:30.43 | niru | but for selecting transitions for different pages i am not getting any idea |
| 04:30.55 | niru | could you give me any idea how that should look |
| 04:31.56 | dondelelcaro | niru: oh, I understand now; most of them have some sort of selection widget, and a graphical representation of what the transition looks like in the right, and then whatever parameters can be adjusted for the transition displayed once you select the transition you want. |
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| 04:36.11 | mrgenixus | so if you can't install passwd, the only option is to start from scratch? |
| 04:37.17 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: eh? why can't you install passwd? |
| 04:37.33 | mrgenixus | becuase pwck can't open /etc/shadow for writing |
| 04:37.53 | mrgenixus | as such, I can't run '/sbin/shadowconfig on' |
| 04:38.14 | stew | mrgenixus: why can't it open /etc/shadow? |
| 04:38.33 | niru | dondelelcaro:exactly |
| 04:38.34 | stew | mrgenixus: does the file exist? what are the permissions? |
| 04:38.38 | mrgenixus | and as such, any dependant package (samba, cron, adduser) can't be marked fully installed and are listed as broken by dpkg |
| 04:38.46 | niru | dondelelcaro:now tell what will be good |
| 04:38.55 | mrgenixus | if I knew why I cna't open shadow, I'd have the problem solve |
| 04:39.03 | mrgenixus | the file exists, root.shadow 640 |
| 04:39.10 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: and why can't you touch /etc/shadow or edit it with an editor? |
| 04:39.13 | stew | mrgenixus: "lsattr /etc/shadow"? |
| 04:39.16 | mrgenixus | I can cat the file, and open it with vi |
| 04:39.18 | mrgenixus | as root |
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| 04:39.29 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: and can you write to it? what does lsattr say? |
| 04:39.36 | stew | its probably chattr +i |
| 04:39.40 | mrgenixus | but vi indicates the file is marked read-only and requires a force to write to it |
| 04:40.12 | mrgenixus | yes.., but that does i mean, and what do I change it to |
| 04:40.21 | mrgenixus | wat is lsattr -- reading man |
| 04:40.34 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah, that's my guess too |
| 04:40.56 | mrgenixus | ok, so i is set, what do I do? |
| 04:41.02 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: chattr -i; |
| 04:41.03 | mrgenixus | chattr -i? |
| 04:41.05 | mrgenixus | oh |
| 04:41.06 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 04:41.37 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: and more importantly, figure out why that was set. Nothing in Debian should ever set it; it being set tends to tell me that you've had your machine exploited, and someone has chattr'ed shadow so passwords can no longer be changed. |
| 04:41.44 | mrgenixus | stew is my hero |
| 04:41.51 | mrgenixus | dpkg stew++ |
| 04:41.55 | stew | mrgenixus: excellent chance you've been rooted. if you don't know why the file had +i, likely a wrong doer did it |
| 04:42.15 | mrgenixus | but it's shadow, it's supposed to be +i |
| 04:42.18 | mrgenixus | no? |
| 04:42.19 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: no, it's not. |
| 04:42.26 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: nothing on your machine should be +i |
| 04:42.28 | mrgenixus | so how do I check for a rooter? |
| 04:42.49 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: you can't, unfortunatly. If you've got one, you need to boot from known good media, back up your data, and reinstall. |
| 04:43.08 | mrgenixus | ok |
| 04:43.32 | mrgenixus | if I have a rooter, this mean they can sieze root at any time, via a backdoor? |
| 04:43.37 | mrgenixus | even if I change the pw? |
| 04:43.51 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: yes. |
| 04:43.55 | mrgenixus | ok, ty |
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| 04:43.58 | stew | mrgenixus: it is possible you find one of the possibly many backdoors |
| 04:44.05 | Kuko | Hey quick question : is skype on debian? |
| 04:44.16 | stew | Kuko: no, debian only distributs free software |
| 04:44.24 | Kuko | Okay let me refraise |
| 04:44.26 | stew | actually that's not tru |
| 04:44.26 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: it's unfortunatly not possible to clean a machine with 100% certainty unless you reinstall |
| 04:44.28 | Kuko | is it possible to get it on there |
| 04:44.30 | odla | Kuko, can't you use ekiga? |
| 04:44.35 | Kuko | No? |
| 04:44.37 | Kuko | lol |
| 04:44.44 | Kuko | I use skype to phone home lines |
| 04:44.51 | mrgenixus | ok, ty dondelelcaro |
| 04:45.01 | odla | Kuko, well you can install it of course |
| 04:45.03 | mrgenixus | any other way I could have +i? and what is +i? |
| 04:45.13 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: +i means immutable |
| 04:45.18 | mrgenixus | ok, |
| 04:45.22 | mrgenixus | ty |
| 04:45.22 | odla | !tell Kuko about skype |
| 04:45.25 | mrgenixus | night |
| 04:45.28 | dondelelcaro | mrgenixus: someone has to have set it at some point in time; it's one of the ext2 extended attributes. |
| 04:46.01 | Kuko | ahh thank you odla :) |
| 04:46.09 | Kuko | ^_^ |
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| 04:46.18 | Kuko | Night all |
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| 04:46.54 | odla | any reason why flashplugin-nonfree is in non-free but skype isn't? |
| 04:47.07 | dondelelcaro | odla: we may not be able to distribute skype |
| 04:47.38 | odla | dondelelcaro, cause of their license? like vmware's vmplayer? |
| 04:47.44 | dondelelcaro | odla: and the flashplugin-nonfree is an installer package, iirc. [Also, someone has to have packaged it; not all software has been packaged.] |
| 04:47.57 | dondelelcaro | odla: perhaps. I personally haven't looked at it, so I don't really know. |
| 04:47.59 | odla | dondelelcaro, that was just an example |
| 04:50.13 | toraton | Someone want to help me fix a gtkpod problem? It would let me install it becasue of conflicting dependencies. |
| 04:50.20 | toraton | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.21 | toraton | E: Broken packages |
| 04:50.38 | toraton | Isn't 0.4.0-0.3 > 0.4.0 ? |
| 04:50.55 | toraton | Won't let me install it, I meant. |
| 04:51.45 | odla | toraton, i think it's cause of the marillat repository...is it enabled? |
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| 04:51.55 | toraton | Yeah, it is. |
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| 04:51.58 | toraton | Should I disable it? |
| 04:52.02 | odla | toraton, they have something wonky going on with libgpod0 iirc |
| 04:52.21 | toraton | Seems so. I just wish I could put some songs on this damn paperweight |
| 04:52.22 | odla | toraton, and you don't want marillat's libgpod0 cause it'll crash it |
| 04:52.34 | toraton | A-ha, there's the problem. |
| 04:52.39 | toraton | it HAS been segfaulting |
| 04:52.48 | odla | toraton, remove it and get the one in etch |
| 04:52.50 | toraton | I'll remove gpod0 and the marillat repo and try again |
| 04:53.02 | scoates | hello. Why would: sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/file.iso /mnt/iso give me "mount: Not a directory"? /mnt/iso _is_ a directory. |
| 04:53.04 | odla | toraton, don't be afraid of the BTS :D this fix is there |
| 04:53.16 | toraton | BTS? |
| 04:53.24 | odla | !bts |
| 04:53.24 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 04:53.39 | toraton | Ah. |
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| 04:53.59 | odla | "Unstable users are required to check the BTS" he he |
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| 05:02.59 | bintut | i have a .deb package here.. but before i install it, i want to check first where will the contents of that .deb package will be installed/placed. how will i do that then? |
| 05:03.16 | peterS | odla: I guess the factoid forgot the last half the sentence, "...to avoid being mocked when they have problems" |
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| 05:03.26 | peterS | bintut: dpkg-deb --contents |
| 05:04.01 | bintut | peterS: thanks.. i'll try that one.. |
| 05:04.44 | deppen | can i edit modules.conf directly , i need to add some options to bttv modules , e.g. modprobe bttv radio=1 card=11 |
| 05:05.10 | peterS | deppen: are you using a 2.4 linux kernel or a 2.6 linux kernel? |
| 05:05.25 | deppen | debian etch 2.6 kernel |
| 05:05.25 | toraton | Wow, this seriously is a pain to get this stupid ipod working. |
| 05:05.46 | toraton | Now gtkpod can't read my m4a files because it wasn't compiled with a library that isn't even in the debian tree |
| 05:05.53 | toraton | Or, I don't think it is. |
| 05:06.27 | peterS | deppen: then create a file /etc/modprobe.d/local - actually the filename doesn't matter but it needs to be in /etc/modprobe.d/ - and put in there 'options bttv radio=1 card=11' |
| 05:06.57 | odla | toraton, put rockbox on it then you can use nautilus, konqueror, thunar, <insert favorite file manager> |
| 05:07.02 | wireddd | toraton, that kind of stuff might be on debian-multimedia.org but I don't really know, as I don't have an ipod |
| 05:07.03 | deppen | peterS thanks ill try :) |
| 05:07.03 | odla | toraton, by simple drog and drag |
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| 05:07.19 | toraton | I'm not modding my ipod. |
| 05:07.22 | odla | s drog/drop |
| 05:07.27 | toraton | It's not mine. |
| 05:07.30 | toraton | I just want to use it. |
| 05:07.36 | odla | i see |
| 05:07.57 | odla | toraton, could always try amarok |
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| 05:08.06 | toraton | Maybe I'll do that. |
| 05:08.35 | odla | i've never had problems with gtkpod mind you |
| 05:08.49 | toraton | odla, it'll read your m4a files? |
| 05:08.59 | toraton | I'm using standard etch... |
| 05:09.13 | odla | not sure...what's m4a? |
| 05:09.16 | toraton | I'm sure gtkpod will work fine for my mp3 files, but why not my m4a |
| 05:09.16 | odla | !m4a |
| 05:09.20 | toraton | It's mpeg-4 AAC |
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| 05:09.55 | odla | well tell your friend to put rockbox on it |
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| 05:10.13 | toraton | Meh, I'll wait until ipods on linux get to a more usable state. |
| 05:10.22 | odla | why does debhelper set a channel limit? |
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| 05:10.26 | odla | toraton, rockbox isn't linux |
| 05:10.34 | rahul | to prevent join floods from bots |
| 05:10.35 | toraton | I'm aware. |
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| 05:10.49 | toraton | I'm waiting until my software improves so that I can use my unmodded ipod with linux. |
| 05:10.50 | ubox | hey all |
| 05:11.00 | odla | hi |
| 05:11.38 | odla | etch is frozen now, eh? |
| 05:11.50 | niles | folders are refusing to open. i just rebooted !!! what's going on !!! |
| 05:11.55 | niles | kde 3.3 |
| 05:11.58 | ubox | anyone knows which vlc plugin should i install to play *.flv |
| 05:12.21 | odla | ubox, i think .flv is flash |
| 05:12.25 | niles | sigh, now K button is frozen. |
| 05:12.27 | ubox | ya |
| 05:12.43 | cast | ubox: nope. but ffplay will play it |
| 05:12.44 | odla | you could try w32codecs and flashplugin-nonfree one of those will do it |
| 05:12.56 | odla | ubox, mplayer will do it too |
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| 05:13.11 | ubox | oh ok thnks |
| 05:13.14 | sid | Is etch frozen yet? |
| 05:13.17 | h3xis | yes |
| 05:13.36 | sid | tons of new crap keeps going into unstable, that won't make it to etch then? |
| 05:13.36 | cast | really? not just a 'soft' freeze? |
| 05:13.42 | sid | yea, I think it's a soft freeze |
| 05:13.45 | odla | cast, a cold hard freeze |
| 05:13.50 | h3xis | hardddd |
| 05:13.51 | odla | icy chilling |
| 05:14.00 | h3xis | just gotta iron out some critical bugs |
| 05:14.03 | cast | why isn't that in the topic :| |
| 05:14.11 | odla | like 110 or so? |
| 05:14.13 | h3xis | cast, i read the mailing lists every morning and saw it |
| 05:14.15 | h3xis | uhh |
| 05:14.17 | h3xis | i think 138? |
| 05:14.23 | h3xis | last i checked was at 2pm EST |
| 05:14.37 | h3xis | still some problems with apt, i believe |
| 05:14.38 | h3xis | :/ |
| 05:14.39 | odla | >80 |
| 05:14.41 | cast | excellent though. will install it on new workstation :) |
| 05:14.55 | cast | anyone got a link to mailing list post? |
| 05:15.00 | h3xis | give me a sec |
| 05:15.17 | h3xis | here |
| 05:15.18 | h3xis | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 05:15.42 | h3xis | it's down to 135 bugs |
| 05:17.06 | dondelelcaro | sid: anything that transitions to testing has to be approved by an RM |
| 05:17.26 | dondelelcaro | odla: iceweasel has to |
| 05:17.28 | h3xis | yes |
| 05:17.32 | odla | he he |
| 05:17.33 | h3xis | icedove is in the bug list |
| 05:18.44 | sid | dondelelcaro: ahh I see. So it is a hard freeze? |
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| 05:19.04 | brenden | LaTeX is usually pronounced [Ëleɪ.tÉk] or [ËlÉ.tÉk] in English (that is, not with the [ks] pronunciation English speakers normally associate with X, but with a voiceless velar plosive like the first sound of "kit"). The last character in the name comes from a capital Ï (chi), as the name of TeX derives from the Greek ÏÎÏνη (skill, art, technique); for this reason, TeX's creator Donald Knuth promotes a /tÉx/ |
| 05:19.12 | brenden | ;1;1;112;112;1;0x |
| 05:19.14 | brenden | oops sorry |
| 05:19.15 | h3xis | thanks brenden. |
| 05:19.17 | sid | dondelelcaro: debian-gnome team did a lot of work on 2.16, but none of that got into etch. Will they put that into sid now? or they don't want to disrupt etch? They'll wait longer? |
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| 05:19.21 | brenden | np |
| 05:19.23 | h3xis | XD |
| 05:19.40 | dashome | I need to copy my root partition from / to /mnt/hdb12 |
| 05:20.19 | dashome | Any suggestions? |
| 05:20.19 | dashome | tar --atime-preserve... |
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| 05:20.32 | cast | would a dump and restore do that? |
| 05:21.00 | dashome | Dunno. |
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| 05:21.08 | dashome | What do you mean by 'dump'? |
| 05:21.22 | lowlevel | double flusher? |
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| 05:22.19 | dondelelcaro | sid: they'll probably upload to experimental; uploading to unstable now would be bad, because any fixes to gnome would have to go through t-p-u |
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| 05:23.38 | sid | dondelelcaro: tpu? |
| 05:23.45 | dondelelcaro | sid: testing-proposed-updates |
| 05:24.07 | dondelelcaro | sid: there are two ways for packages to get into testing; one is through unstable, the other is through t-p-u. |
| 05:26.40 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: was some eejit in here an hour or so ago complaining about how condorcet doesn't yield the highest possible expected utility? |
| 05:27.19 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: yerp |
| 05:27.40 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: what's stupid is he doesn't seem to understand what optimality in voting systems even means, or have read the pages that he's pointed at. |
| 05:27.42 | dashome | Looks like cp -ax |
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| 05:28.05 | Guerin | sure does use a lot of big words, though |
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| 05:37.04 | geo-rge | wha't cp -x? |
| 05:37.28 | cast | man cp<enter>:/-X |
| 05:38.08 | geo-rge | would that work? he said -x |
| 05:38.52 | rahul | so look for -x |
| 05:41.31 | peterS | when searching for complex phrases in a manpage I like to type them in ahead of time by piping through 'less +/whatever' |
| 05:41.43 | peterS | so like, man cp | less +/-x |
| 05:42.14 | rahul | you're just too cool for school |
| 05:42.34 | rahul | I'm gonna go throw myself off a bridge now :\ |
| 05:42.41 | peterS | there _is_ a disadvantage to that: groff will format the page for plain ascii, no bold or underline |
| 05:42.54 | Guerin | with a little effort, you, too, can pretend to be as 1337 as peterS |
| 05:43.00 | rahul | oooooh really. so you AREN't that cool |
| 05:43.12 | rahul | peterS: sucks to be you |
| 05:43.26 | peterS | sometimes I think I need a larger apartment to contain my vast coolness |
| 05:43.32 | geo-rge | hmm. that and -a are not sufficient to make a backup of / and expect everything to work properly... I still would have suggested tar cfpl - ... | tar xfp - |
| 05:43.32 | rahul | peterS: if I were that lame, I would spotaneously commit suicide |
| 05:43.40 | rahul | peterS: I would will myself to death |
| 05:43.51 | geo-rge | would you will? |
| 05:43.53 | Guerin | rahul: but you'd be so lame you'd fail. |
| 05:43.57 | rahul | haha |
| 05:44.05 | peterS | why not amuse yourself to death, as in the roger waters song |
| 05:44.06 | rahul | geo-rge: will I would |
| 05:44.08 | Guerin | and just go back to being emo |
| 05:44.12 | rahul | heh |
| 05:44.27 | geo-rge | findin emo? |
| 05:44.28 | peterS | poor Guerin (: |
| 05:44.45 | rahul | goths don't have to be emo |
| 05:44.46 | Guerin | those of you who know how much I hate goths can probably appreciate how much beer I'm taking |
| 05:44.51 | rahul | heh |
| 05:45.05 | Guerin | but I have two aces in the hole: |
| 05:45.12 | geo-rge | a goth gf? |
| 05:45.13 | peterS | perhaps goths don't have to be emo, but there's a fine line |
| 05:45.21 | dondelelcaro | peterS: goths eat emos |
| 05:45.26 | rahul | haha |
| 05:45.31 | rahul | exactly, don |
| 05:45.33 | peterS | right, so they're in the same ecosystem |
| 05:45.34 | Guerin | 1) I'm the best mate of one of the hosts, and all the goths are his new girlfriend's friends - so I have preloaded cred. |
| 05:45.37 | dondelelcaro | epecially the visigoths |
| 05:45.43 | Guerin | 2) i;'m bringing the barbecue |
| 05:45.53 | peterS | Guerin: heh, nice |
| 05:46.07 | geo-rge | even goths gotta eat... |
| 05:46.19 | peterS | geo-rge: yeah but they could eat non-emos too |
| 05:46.20 | rahul | visigoths are all metal and shit |
| 05:46.40 | rahul | iced earth style |
| 05:46.54 | rahul | better yet, demons and wizards |
| 05:46.55 | geo-rge | they could eat a city of goth hams... |
| 05:47.05 | peterS | make it stop |
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| 05:48.02 | rahul | mmm ministry |
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| 05:48.10 | geo-rge | oh gawd... |
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| 05:48.19 | buu | Hurrah! |
| 05:48.24 | geo-rge | I know someone who auditioned for those idiots |
| 05:48.33 | rahul | yo mama is an idiot |
| 05:48.43 | peterS | ministry hold auditions? |
| 05:48.53 | rahul | all bands hold auditions |
| 05:48.53 | geo-rge | they were all drugged out on speed, coke and whatever... |
| 05:49.10 | rahul | some are really painful |
| 05:49.27 | rahul | to the point of, "you never really listened to any of our music before coming here, did you?" |
| 05:49.35 | geo-rge | guy I know said "this sucks" and left... this after flying about 1000 miles to do the audition |
| 05:49.55 | rahul | heh |
| 05:49.57 | peterS | omigoth |
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| 06:01.30 | drcode | hi all |
| 06:01.34 | drcode | hi all |
| 06:01.40 | drcode | what is the best compress for MPEG files? |
| 06:01.50 | drcode | and is there .sqx in linux console? |
| 06:02.11 | rahul | drcode: what is the best resolution for a 1024x768 screen? |
| 06:02.17 | geo-rge | I thought they were already compressed |
| 06:02.25 | drcode | yes |
| 06:02.27 | drcode | I know |
| 06:02.33 | drcode | but I read the .sqx compress is more |
| 06:02.39 | krazykit | what's sqx? |
| 06:02.44 | krazykit | never heard of it |
| 06:02.52 | drcode | squeez compress |
| 06:03.08 | krazykit | well, then it wouldn't be playable, sounds like |
| 06:03.09 | rahul | I read my ass is hot |
| 06:03.21 | krazykit | you can't really compress video, as it's already compressed as it is |
| 06:03.38 | drcode | k |
| 06:03.55 | rahul | dpkg heard |
| 06:04.07 | krazykit | if you want smaller files at similar quality, consider using x264 instead of mpeg2 |
| 06:04.16 | drcode | k |
| 06:04.18 | drcode | thnx |
| 06:06.10 | cast | eh, though. in the name of freedom. and wanting something that far outperforms MPEG2, there is theora |
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| 06:08.49 | geo-rge | all gone :) |
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| 06:10.25 | geo-rge | !info debfoster |
| 06:10.29 | dpkg | debfoster: (Install only wanted Debian packages), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 06:10.43 | geo-rge | !info deborphan |
| 06:10.46 | dpkg | deborphan: (Find orphaned libraries), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.7.23 (sid), Packaged size: 69 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
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| 06:25.29 | factor | how do I start telnet under debian |
| 06:26.04 | factor | telnetd I ean |
| 06:26.07 | factor | mean^ |
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| 06:27.06 | unlink | do you have inetutils-telnetd installed? |
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| 06:27.31 | factor | telnetd is already the newest version. |
| 06:27.35 | factor | that is what it says |
| 06:27.44 | factor | when I apt-get it |
| 06:27.57 | unlink | like any other service i assume |
| 06:28.04 | unlink | /etc/init.d/telnetd start |
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| 06:28.12 | factor | nope |
| 06:28.15 | rpc | what do you need telnet for? |
| 06:28.16 | factor | no telnetd |
| 06:28.29 | factor | I am working on a program that needs telnet and ftp |
| 06:28.33 | somiaj | factor: I belive the default telnet is setup to run from inetd, so if you have inetd running, it should run an instance of telnet anytime someone connects to the port |
| 06:28.33 | unlink | well, you can try putting it in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 06:28.34 | rpc | oh ok |
| 06:28.38 | factor | so I have to install it it to test it |
| 06:28.50 | rpc | i read you |
| 06:28.50 | factor | I have not ued ftp and telnet in ears |
| 06:29.02 | factor | years^ |
| 06:29.11 | somiaj | you may have to restart inetd with /etc/init.d/inetd after telnet is installed to have the updates take effect |
| 06:29.14 | factor | now I no longer know how to start it |
| 06:29.31 | factor | no inetd |
| 06:29.36 | factor | not anymore |
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| 06:34.31 | factor | looks like I can just run inet |
| 06:34.44 | factor | or inetd manually |
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| 06:35.28 | dashome | Okay, this is odd. |
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| 06:35.39 | sid | dondelelcaro: Do you use gnome, or no?(ion3?) Is gnome 2.16 usable right now?(from exp.) |
| 06:35.41 | dashome | I moved my root partition from a 4 gig partition to a 8 gig partition. |
| 06:35.47 | dashome | It is still reporting it as a 4 gig partition. |
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| 06:36.47 | bony | how do i install firefox 32bit on debian 64 OS? |
| 06:37.04 | bony | is there any howto or doc's on this? |
| 06:37.34 | unlink | why would you want to? |
| 06:37.34 | yunhual | it is no necessary to install man or header file to the target machine, when build the embedded system, can i specify don't install those files through ./configure, make or make install, if i can, how get that ?? |
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| 06:38.17 | bony | unlink, to make flashplayer 9 work in the browser |
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| 06:40.01 | yunhual | can anyone there understand me ?? |
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| 06:46.04 | yunhual | it is no necessary to install man or header file to the target machine, when build the embedded system, can i specify don't install those files through ./configure, make or make install, if i can, how to get that ?? |
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| 06:54.39 | HeatHawk | hey guys, heres a dusy for you. |
| 06:55.49 | HeatHawk | I have a Belkin Flip 2 port USB KVM, debian box with an nforce 3 chipset, and my windows box with the via chipset. Logitech mx 5000 keyboard / mouse set. The windows box is fine. Now the linux box, either the mouse or the keyboard will just cut out. |
| 06:56.08 | HeatHawk | I have to re-switch the switch for it to come back, and just now the usb on it died. |
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| 06:56.32 | HeatHawk | Well, i havent rebooted yet, but right now its not responding (usb that is) |
| 06:56.55 | HeatHawk | Debian Etch, latest 2.6 686 kernel |
| 06:56.56 | atrus | HeatHawk: when do they cut out? |
| 06:57.21 | HeatHawk | atrus, sometimes when i switch to it, sometimes while im using it they will just stop |
| 06:58.19 | HeatHawk | i put a powered usb hub on the switch and the mouse adapter on the hub which alliminated all lag problems, but not the random cut outs |
| 06:58.25 | HeatHawk | and it only happens on the linux box |
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| 06:58.56 | atrus | are you using evdev for the keyboard and/or for the mouse? |
| 06:59.26 | HeatHawk | i dont think so |
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| 07:00.02 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:00.03 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:01.00 | HeatHawk | atrus, i guess the other question would be, is evdev something i should look into using to solve my problem? |
| 07:01.18 | HeatHawk | I am gonna reboot the system, hopefully it will come back with a working usb. |
| 07:01.27 | atrus | i dunno. |
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| 07:01.44 | atrus | the keyboard shouldn't cut out at all as far as i can tell, unless you've got a defective kvm. |
| 07:02.22 | atrus | so that's sort of where i'm leaning. maybe it's the port that your linux machine is using that's broken? |
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| 07:04.43 | HeatHawk | atrus, i often switch ports to bring it back |
| 07:05.02 | HeatHawk | and neither the keyboard or the mouse cut out on the windows box |
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| 07:06.56 | msun | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.09 | sid | !tell msun about ubuntu |
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| 07:08.03 | msun | i still request any helpful comments, sid's !tell thing notwithstanding |
| 07:09.06 | geo-rge | there is a #ubuntu |
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| 07:19.44 | karsten | So good, he had to leave it twice... |
| 07:20.48 | itchi | "Etch is now frozen! Wheeeeeee!!!" |
| 07:22.34 | wireddd | really |
| 07:22.54 | itchi | http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1853 |
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| 07:25.51 | itchi | Maybe, a topic change? |
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| 07:26.25 | qiyong | this is offtopic though, i ask for some english revise help here, anyone free now? |
| 07:28.07 | wireddd | what? |
| 07:28.30 | wireddd | with a translation or something? |
| 07:28.39 | qiyong | wireddd: yes |
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| 07:28.44 | wireddd | of what? |
| 07:29.00 | qiyong | wireddd: some sentences about software company processes |
| 07:29.27 | wireddd | how does it relate to debian? |
| 07:30.30 | wireddd | how long was sarge frozen before it was released? |
| 07:31.04 | sep | sarge was frozen on 3 May 2005 iirc |
| 07:31.45 | sep | and released on 6th of June, 2005 ? |
| 07:32.11 | sep | wireddd, so i guess the answer is aproximatly 2 months ? |
| 07:32.38 | wireddd | so a release is forthcoming |
| 07:32.56 | h3xis | depends when all of the critical bugs are fixed, no? |
| 07:33.04 | sep | luckily i think there are less major upgrades now so it should not take that long. |
| 07:34.19 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.40 | itchi | a bit sad, just saw also that the new kernel .18 is there, tested it a bit and the new kernel not yet work like expected here, like it is know bit bugy at this stage |
| 07:35.10 | wireddd | .17 seems to be working great for me |
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| 07:35.38 | wireddd | I had alot of problems with 16 though |
| 07:36.32 | itchi | These gona get many work right now. Yeah, .17 works great here to, but had need to build an custom kernel with scsi and SATA suport for this laptop. Like .17 it's not build-in. With .18 it looks that it's now build-in, so i not need to make an custom with scsi and my SATA support |
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| 07:37.21 | itchi | Just that i have go back to .17 like .18 not yet work fine at this stage. |
| 07:38.14 | itchi | Im curious in wich version r1000 should by supported by the kernel |
| 07:39.04 | itchi | Still need to compile an external stuff |
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| 07:41.07 | itchi | Someone know what's happend with the linux-on-laptop site? Have submitted an link for my laptop. These still not add it. It's the 2de time i submit it. I have also send an mail, no respons. Tuxmobile was fast, these have added the link. |
| 07:41.25 | karsten | itchi: Might want to talk to the people responsible. |
| 07:41.53 | sonnie | how to save route tables created by iproute? |
| 07:42.09 | itchi | karsten: I have send there an email to ask what's happend, but there i also not get any response, are these dead? |
| 07:42.17 | karsten | sonnie: Um. RTFM. |
| 07:42.17 | wireddd | itchi, same thing happened to me |
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| 07:42.30 | karsten | itchi: What's the domain? |
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| 07:42.56 | itchi | It's now 3 or 4 weeks ago i have submit the first time |
| 07:43.06 | sonnie | karsten, i haven't found any hints in /usr/share/doc/iproute2 about this |
| 07:43.19 | karsten | itchi: I see last mod Nov 24 2006. |
| 07:43.21 | itchi | karsten: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
| 07:43.56 | itchi | karsten: I have submit http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 |
| 07:44.09 | karsten | itchi: Appears to be run out of India. |
| 07:45.04 | karsten | itchi: Hrm. Three weeks. Maybe Som's getting married.... ;-) |
| 07:45.22 | itchi | karsten: I dunno, just know that these not add the link and not reply to my mail :-p |
| 07:45.25 | karsten | itchi: Actual host appears to be near Seattle. |
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| 07:46.25 | itchi | amphi: Are you online |
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| 07:51.45 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Is it possible to schedule a task in Debian? |
| 07:51.59 | karsten | Inf3rn0[lt]: And how. |
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| 07:52.20 | Inf3rn0[lt] | What? |
| 07:52.25 | karsten | Inf3rn0[lt]: apropos schedule |
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| 07:52.33 | karsten | Inf3rn0[lt]: RTFM. And buy a basic Linux book. |
| 07:52.43 | Inf3rn0[lt] | ;p |
| 07:52.57 | Inf3rn0[lt] | I'll go google some more :p |
| 07:53.33 | karsten | Inf3rn0[lt]: I gave you the command you want to run to start sorting this. Google's not a bad idea either. |
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| 07:56.57 | dimir | !nickometer Inf3rn0[lt] |
| 07:56.57 | dpkg | 'Inf3rn0[lt]' is 39.000% lame, dimir |
| 07:57.09 | Inf3rn0[lt] | :D |
| 07:57.13 | dimir | :-P |
| 07:57.29 | dimir | Inf3rn0[lt]: are you from Lithuania? |
| 07:57.34 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Nope |
| 07:57.36 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Norway |
| 07:57.50 | dimir | OK, just wondering because of this 'lt'. |
| 07:57.59 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Cus of my address, ye |
| 07:58.12 | Inf3rn0[lt] | I'm at school. So I'm using a proxy |
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| 07:58.36 | karsten | Inf3rn0[lt]: Ah... |
| 07:58.45 | dimir | OK, I guess I should go get coffee now, or else... |
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| 07:59.49 | RvGaTe | Good morning debian |
| 07:59.58 | dimir | Moin RvGaTe |
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| 08:00.14 | karsten | RvGaTe: The only good morning's a dead morning. |
| 08:00.57 | RvGaTe | karsten, why so negative? |
| 08:01.28 | karsten | RvGaTe: Negative? |
| 08:01.57 | karsten | !@#$%^&*() chipper dutch. ;-) |
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| 08:03.10 | RvGaTe | karsten, hmm... oh well :P |
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| 08:05.48 | karsten | RvGaTe: Mornings and I just don't get along. |
| 08:06.08 | RvGaTe | karsten, i think thats with almost everybody |
| 08:06.24 | edison | Help, does it's possible to use a dump file like a tempory memory with a maximum of size, like a buffer ? |
| 08:06.44 | karsten | edison: Um. 42. |
| 08:06.54 | karsten | edison: Pardon? |
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| 08:08.13 | karsten | edison: Are you talking about swap? Files aren't memory. You _can_ add swapfiles pretty much wherever and whenever you want. |
| 08:09.31 | bintut | what's the equivalent command of "rpm -qR pkg_name" in debian? |
| 08:10.20 | karsten | bintut: What's the -R' do? |
| 08:10.34 | karsten | bintut: Likely an apt-cache or dpkg invocation, fyi. |
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| 08:11.03 | unlink | bintut: apt-cache depends pkg_name |
| 08:11.13 | karsten | !win me |
| 08:11.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 08:11.41 | RvGaTe | hurray \o/ |
| 08:13.06 | RvGaTe | to bad dont have stockings |
| 08:13.15 | karsten | RvGaTe: Not even fishnets? |
| 08:13.22 | bintut | karsten: -R is requires |
| 08:13.33 | karsten | bintut: I gathered that. What unlink said. |
| 08:13.48 | bintut | karsten and unlink: i just want to know the equivalent to dpkg and not apt-* |
| 08:14.27 | karsten | bintut: Not all rpm commands have dpkg equivalents. There are a number of utilities which cover RPM's features for Debian. |
| 08:14.34 | bintut | i'm checking the comparison of rpm vs dpkg |
| 08:14.53 | bintut | karsten: yeah, i know. but i want to know some |
| 08:15.30 | bintut | karsten: you cannot compare rpm vs apt-* because it just like your comparing a .38 revolver to a machine gun |
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| 08:15.48 | karsten | bintut: http://kitenet.net/~joey/pkg-comp/ |
| 08:16.04 | Neeesat25 | How can I give writes to a normal user to shutdown PC? |
| 08:16.13 | karsten | Neeesat25: sudo |
| 08:16.26 | karsten | Neeesat25: There's also a number of specific shutdown wrappers. |
| 08:16.37 | Neeesat25 | No I need to use script without entering password |
| 08:16.47 | bintut | karsten: not that one.. i'm looking for the command options |
| 08:16.55 | karsten | Neeesat25: You can disable password auth in sudo for specific commands. |
| 08:17.20 | bintut | Neeesat25: edit /etc/shutdown.allow |
| 08:17.21 | karsten | bintut: Yeah. Martin Krafft's book has a list of those. Cribbed from elsewhere. |
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| 08:17.38 | karsten | bintut: Danke, was trying to recall that. |
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| 08:18.03 | bintut | karsten: martin krafft's book? |
| 08:18.15 | Neeesat25 | What I have to put in shutdown.allow? |
| 08:18.17 | karsten | bintut: _The Debian System_. GIYF. |
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| 08:18.37 | bintut | Neeesat25: usernames |
| 08:18.44 | bokey | itchi, hello |
| 08:18.52 | karsten | bintut: http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian |
| 08:19.09 | Neeesat25 | just the username of my user ie. mythtv? |
| 08:19.16 | bintut | karsten: oh.. it might not be freely accessible through the web |
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| 08:19.41 | karsten | bintut: http://xtronics.com/reference/rpm2apt-dpkg.htm has a command equivsref |
| 08:19.45 | bintut | Neeesat25: yes |
| 08:19.46 | Inf3rn0[lt] | karsten: The "lt" in my nick is for "laptop" :p |
| 08:19.51 | karsten | bintut: It's not. You can buy the PDF. |
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| 08:20.15 | RvGaTe | good morning cydork :P |
| 08:20.36 | Neeesat25 | Thanks |
| 08:20.43 | quhan | hi, i complier the kernel, when i "make-kpkg clean", it tells me "bash: make-kpkg: command not found", what should i do? which package i dont install? |
| 08:20.50 | karsten | bintut: And: http://u32.net/old/rpmdeb.html |
| 08:20.56 | cydork | RvGaTe: ciao :) |
| 08:21.16 | cydork | quhan: do you have kernel-package installed? |
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| 08:21.31 | Neeesat25 | It works for reboot also? |
| 08:21.46 | lastnode | quhan, apt-get install kernel-package |
| 08:21.55 | bintut | Neeesat25: your welcome |
| 08:22.02 | quhan | cydork: lastnode: thanks |
| 08:22.09 | bintut | Neeesat25: not sure.. try it.. |
| 08:22.20 | lastnode | quhan, when in doubt try /msg dpkg topic |
| 08:23.02 | quhan | ?? |
| 08:23.25 | lastnode | quhan, like /msg dpkg make-kpkg <-- |
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| 08:23.45 | RvGaTe | * yaaaaaaaawwwwn * |
| 08:24.04 | quhan | ok, thanks |
| 08:24.15 | bintut | Neeesat25: if i'm not mistaken, if a username listed in /etc/shutdown.allow, that user can do a "shutdown -r now" which is an equivalent to the "reboot" command |
| 08:24.57 | Neeesat25 | I get command not found |
| 08:25.21 | bintut | Neeesat25: echo $PATH |
| 08:25.28 | bintut | Neeesat25: which shutdown |
| 08:25.32 | bintut | compare |
| 08:26.23 | Neeesat25 | echo $PATH gives: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 08:26.34 | cydork | bintut: "which" only looks for it in $PATH |
| 08:27.09 | bintut | cydork: i know |
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| 08:27.33 | bintut | cydork: that's why i want Neeesat25 to check if the shutdown command is in his/her path |
| 08:27.49 | cydork | Neeesat25: it's in /sbin which is not in PATH |
| 08:28.14 | Neeesat25 | shutdown is in /sbin directory |
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| 08:29.01 | Neeesat25 | If it try /sbin/shutdown -r now I get: shutdown: you must be root to do that! |
| 08:29.14 | bintut | Neeesat25: as what cydork said, the shutdown command is not in your path. but since you added a username in /etc/shutdown.allow, that user can shutdown the said provided that you execute the command with its absolute path |
| 08:30.28 | bintut | Neeesat25: after you added a user account to the /etc/shutdown.allow, have you logout first? |
| 08:30.38 | Neeesat25 | I have rebooted |
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| 08:31.15 | bintut | oh |
| 08:31.21 | bintut | weird |
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| 08:32.34 | Neeesat25 | There wasn't any file in /etc as shutdown.allow and I have create it and just write mythtv user inside |
| 08:32.48 | Neeesat25 | Is that correct? |
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| 08:34.31 | geo-rge | No manual entry for shutdown.allow in section 5 |
| 08:34.50 | geo-rge | what program reads shutdown.allow? |
| 08:35.03 | geo-rge | what package installs it? |
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| 08:35.44 | Neeesat25 | Do I have to have a package installed for that? |
| 08:36.27 | geo-rge | you would need some program that reads it :) |
| 08:36.31 | craigevil | geo-rge: shutdown: /sbin/shutdown /usr/share/man/man8/shutdown.8.gz |
| 08:37.38 | craigevil | man shutdown 8 |
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| 08:38.41 | geo-rge | ok, no need to log in or out... shutdown reads shutdown.allow |
| 08:42.03 | geo-rge | craigevil: thanks for the pointer |
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| 08:43.52 | yos87 | Hi |
| 08:44.19 | unlink | hi |
| 08:46.09 | yos87 | unlink: how are you |
| 08:46.20 | unlink | tired. |
| 08:47.02 | yos87 | unlink: you have laptop or desktop? |
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| 08:47.27 | unlink | both |
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| 08:47.49 | yos87 | unlink: on your laptop , you install debian? |
| 08:48.00 | unlink | one has debian, the other has freebsd |
| 08:48.20 | unlink | actually, they both have freebsd, but one also has debian. |
| 08:49.01 | yos87 | the laptop? I want to ask you, Is it totally compatible with debian? |
| 08:49.10 | yos87 | unlink: or you had some troubles? |
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| 08:49.33 | unlink | one is totally compatible, the other is mostly compatible |
| 08:50.36 | yos87 | unlink: what kind of laptop? which one compatible? |
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| 08:51.57 | unlink | the dell inspiron 8500 works perfectly with debian (though it's a crappy computer), and the thinkpad t60 works well mostly, except that wireless needs extra work, suspend is finicky, hdaps is broken, sound needs a newer alsa, switching between lcd and external display is broken and the fingerprint reader is difficult to get working |
| 08:52.07 | unlink | though to be fair, the dell doesn't support any of those things except sound |
| 08:52.25 | unlink | (and my dell's sound is broken) |
| 08:52.55 | unlink | even if you could buy an inspiron 8500 somehow, i would recommend against it, and all dells |
| 08:53.23 | geo-rge | you've bought all dells?! |
| 08:53.33 | unlink | no |
| 08:53.38 | unlink | but i would recommend against them. |
| 08:53.42 | geo-rge | how? |
| 08:53.48 | Grub_Now | what would you recommend? |
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| 08:54.09 | unlink | depends what you're looking for. |
| 08:54.20 | Grub_Now | for a nice debian installable box |
| 08:54.36 | geo-rge | for what purpose? |
| 08:54.49 | Grub_Now | personal use, compiling, etc |
| 08:54.59 | unlink | but lenovo thinkpads and hp pavilions are good inexpensive machines |
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| 08:55.19 | Grub_Now | hp pavilion ( i have it ) has lots of hardware probems |
| 08:55.21 | unlink | it really depends how much money you have |
| 08:55.22 | Grub_Now | *problems |
| 08:55.24 | unlink | which one? |
| 08:55.27 | geo-rge | you still have not supported your statement against dell |
| 08:55.29 | Grub_Now | dv1000 |
| 08:55.30 | g333k | now that Etch is frozen is it secure to upgrade all my pkgs? |
| 08:55.37 | unlink | Grub_Now: that works fine for me |
| 08:55.48 | geo-rge | they're testing it now |
| 08:55.59 | unlink | geo-rge: i have worked closely with many kinds of dells for a long time and have noticed a strong pattern of them sucking. |
| 08:56.19 | unlink | Grub_Now: what doesn't work about yours? |
| 08:56.37 | unlink | Grub_Now: in fact, only suspend and the card reader haven't worked for me |
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| 08:57.11 | yos87 | unlink: which one you advice me to buy for debian? which one good? |
| 08:57.24 | Grub_Now | unlink: i had lots of hardware troubles with it, got the motherboard replaced twice. ( so basically manufacturing defect or something ) but everyone who bought it in my area have the same problem |
| 08:57.29 | ericP | any idea why alsa-source would have a dependency on kernel-headers instead of linux-headers? |
| 08:57.33 | geo-rge | what would you replace "sucking" with that is specific, truthful and actually says something? |
| 08:57.35 | unlink | Grub_Now: bizarre. |
| 08:57.54 | Grub_Now | yah |
| 08:58.00 | yos87 | unlink: we need sound on dell, Thinkpad also has trouble |
| 08:58.06 | ericP | i'm running a 2.6.something kernel and have to install headers from 2.4.27. fails to give me warm fuzzies |
| 08:58.21 | yos87 | unlink: what to buy? |
| 08:58.32 | unlink | yos87: what kind of budget do you have? |
| 08:58.45 | geo-rge | I'm responding this way for a coupla reasons... one, you're spreading FUD and are resistant to offer support, two, I've had good luck with -refurbished- dells |
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| 08:59.13 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How can I restart proftpd when I'm using inetd? |
| 08:59.19 | unlink | i'm offering advice based on my experience |
| 08:59.22 | yos87 | unlink: arround 800$ |
| 08:59.35 | geo-rge | so you have a lot of experience with sucking... |
| 08:59.44 | unlink | my issues have been related to hardware failiure and poor support |
| 08:59.50 | unlink | on dell's part, yes. |
| 08:59.51 | geo-rge | sorry, but that's pretty much what you said :P |
| 09:00.02 | yos87 | unlink: but the important is to work with debin, cause cannot be returned |
| 09:00.21 | yos87 | unlink : also, you cannot know before buy |
| 09:00.22 | unlink | yos87: um. i guess i'd go with an hp then. |
| 09:00.40 | yos87 | unlink: but what Hp? |
| 09:00.41 | unlink | yos87: i can't make any guarantees about it working though. |
| 09:00.48 | unlink | yos87: dv2000t |
| 09:00.49 | geo-rge | so you're saying more hardware failed than not, and they were slow or nonexistant to support you |
| 09:01.23 | yos87 | unlink: But do you think the dv2000t will work fine with debian? |
| 09:01.45 | yos87 | unlink: and what about the thinkpad? all has troubles? |
| 09:02.14 | unlink | geo-rge: no, i'm saying more hardware failed with dells than with other brands, and dealing with their support has been a colossal waste of my time, even as a multi-$100,000 customer |
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| 09:02.41 | unlink | they have had some models better than others |
| 09:02.51 | geo-rge | yos87: you need to be able to return things, because there will always be the possibility that something will fail... |
| 09:02.52 | RvGaTe | When installing mysql-server, can my php install (libapache2-mod-php4) automaticly use it? or do i need the php4 module for it (php4-mysql)? |
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| 09:03.07 | g333k_laptop | hi, is there a way to know if I can check the temperature of my laptop? |
| 09:03.20 | sep | RvGaTe, you need the module |
| 09:03.21 | geo-rge | probably you need both... |
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| 09:03.33 | RvGaTe | sep, ok, thx |
| 09:03.41 | unlink | g333k_laptop: try running acpi -V |
| 09:03.41 | sep | and you might also need to uncommnet the mysql.so in the php.ini |
| 09:03.56 | g333k_laptop | unlink, as root? |
| 09:03.57 | geo-rge | but just to offer an opinion, there are better things to use than php or mysql |
| 09:04.00 | sep | /usr/share/doc/ should explain it more consistent |
| 09:04.01 | unlink | g333k_laptop: no |
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| 09:04.02 | yos87 | geo-rge: No , this in your place, here , The people never hear about debian, maybe some of the hear the "linux" word, if I format the pc I bough, it will never be reterned ! |
| 09:04.04 | hoper | Hi |
| 09:04.06 | cast | is there a replacemen for apt-setup in etch? |
| 09:04.18 | g333k_laptop | unlink, No support for device type: thermal |
| 09:04.24 | yos87 | * some of them |
| 09:04.44 | hoper | I'm looking for help about using nfs v4 (client side only) with sarge (stable) |
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| 09:05.13 | g333k_laptop | unlink, so no way to do that |
| 09:05.16 | Malagmyr | argh. what package is it i need to install to build kernels again? |
| 09:05.19 | unlink | g333k_laptop: poke around in /proc/acpi and /sys/devices |
| 09:05.20 | Malagmyr | supposed to be a dummy package |
| 09:05.26 | Defty | What debian package should I install for lyx to be able to display inline math formulas (greek letters, etc.)? |
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| 09:05.42 | geo-rge | unlink: could you comment on their failure to provide service? |
| 09:06.44 | Defty | omg, latex-xft-fonts . thanks |
| 09:06.47 | geo-rge | yos87: tell them to deliver the machine unformatted |
| 09:07.14 | geo-rge | do you really want to pay for an os you're not going to use? or are you? |
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| 09:08.00 | yos87 | geo-rge: I don't think we lave laptop without windows license |
| 09:08.11 | geo-rge | "we"? |
| 09:08.20 | whadar | how does debian treat packages with no priority? is there a default priority? |
| 09:08.31 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How do I restart via ssh? |
| 09:08.31 | geo-rge | yos87: this isn't you buying the machine? |
| 09:08.48 | yos87 | geo-rge: yes of course |
| 09:09.12 | geo-rge | are you going to use windows at all? |
| 09:09.23 | yos87 | geo-rge: so you advice me to ask them to try it first , before buying, and the I like I buy |
| 09:09.27 | yos87 | geo-rge: h=no |
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| 09:09.37 | yos87 | geo-rge: I don't want to use windows |
| 09:10.00 | yos87 | geo-rge: anyway, I'm using debian, But vertual |
| 09:10.12 | yos87 | geo-rge: because it's not working in my laptop ! |
| 09:10.20 | geo-rge | so tell them you do not want windows on the machine, and if it's present, you'll send the machine back and contact your credit card co |
| 09:10.49 | unlink | geo-rge: first of all, our dedicated sales rep is a deadbeat. he doesn't answer emails or respond to voicemails. secondly, when i call for support, it usually takes 4 or 5 hops of call routing and 25 minutes before i can talk to someone in the correct department, repeating my service tag maybe 3 or 4 times. and when the call finally gets through, i have to answer questions they already could find out the answer to, and deal with people who simply read |
| 09:11.13 | yos87 | yes |
| 09:11.21 | yos87 | call routing , this is nice |
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| 09:11.52 | geo-rge | unlink: someone who does the volume you do could get that sales rep fired... |
| 09:12.20 | unlink | it's not worth the trouble, finally we're switching brands |
| 09:12.36 | unlink | dell has been too expensive for us to use in terms of support. |
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| 09:12.45 | unlink | opportunity-cost wise. |
| 09:12.49 | yos87 | geo-rge: anyhow, I will ask for trying the laptop before buy |
| 09:13.24 | yos87 | geo-rge: but I mean debian does not certified some laptops |
| 09:13.27 | goki____ | I've been trying to work this out for a while, so forgive me if you've all heard this before, but does anyone know how I can disable loading of framebuffer drivers on an embedded system? |
| 09:13.34 | unlink | in short, i would not recommend buying from dell |
| 09:13.40 | yos87 | there is website linux certified, but debian not there |
| 09:14.06 | yos87 | unlink: do you recommed thinkpad? |
| 09:14.09 | geo-rge | yos87: what part of linux supports devices (mostly/generally)? |
| 09:14.24 | unlink | yos87: thinkpads are >$800 |
| 09:14.35 | unlink | heh, that looks like $< backwards |
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| 09:15.23 | yos87 | geo-rge: I don't know, maybe kernel? |
| 09:15.56 | yos87 | geo-rge: I don't have much experiense, I just install it, and I did somethings on it |
| 09:16.06 | geo-rge | thinkpads, in my (extremely limited) experience are very much overpriced for the power... was going to get a tp for 4000, deal fell through when store tried to bait-and-switch me |
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| 09:16.49 | geo-rge | yos87: that's right... do most linux installations you know of have a kernel? :) |
| 09:17.01 | unlink | geo-rge: you were buying a $4000 thinkpad? |
| 09:17.26 | geo-rge | I think during P2 days |
| 09:17.28 | yos87 | geo-rge: what is your laptop? |
| 09:17.42 | geo-rge | I have a dell insp. 5150 |
| 09:17.58 | yos87 | working fine ? |
| 09:18.06 | yos87 | with debian? |
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| 09:18.45 | geo-rge | well I did have debian on it, but that's not its primary purpose... I run xp and emagic logic for studio applications |
| 09:18.49 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | !nickometer // |
| 09:18.50 | dpkg | '//' is 38.000% lame, inf3rn0_laptop |
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| 09:18.55 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | D': |
| 09:18.58 | unlink | goki____: i assume the same way you'd prevent any other driver from loading |
| 09:19.11 | goki____ | unlink: cool how? |
| 09:19.20 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | !nickometer apt-get |
| 09:19.22 | dpkg | 'apt-get' is 14.000% lame, inf3rn0_laptop |
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| 09:19.32 | unlink | !nickometer dpkg |
| 09:19.34 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, unlink |
| 09:19.40 | geo-rge | !nickometer Inf3rn0_Laptop |
| 09:19.42 | dpkg | 'Inf3rn0_Laptop' is 37.000% lame, geo-rge |
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| 09:20.10 | geo-rge | !nickometer geo-rge |
| 09:20.10 | dpkg | 'geo-rge' is 14.000% lame, geo-rge |
| 09:20.10 | geo-rge | aww :) |
| 09:20.12 | yos87 | geo-rge: you are not using debian currently on any laptop? |
| 09:20.12 | goki____ | you know you can message dpkg privately? |
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| 09:20.33 | geo-rge | currently no... but I was for awhile |
| 09:20.42 | unlink | i don't think irc supports private messages, does it? |
| 09:20.52 | geo-rge | goki____: yes, but doing so would defeat the purpose |
| 09:20.56 | goki____ | unlink: /msg dpkg nickometer blah |
| 09:21.02 | unlink | uh |
| 09:21.05 | unlink | i'm kidding |
| 09:21.15 | unlink | the command to send a message to a channel is PRIVMSG even. |
| 09:21.17 | goki____ | unlink: oh right sorry, humour level was undetectible |
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| 09:21.26 | unlink | PRIVMSG #debian :gentoo r0x |
| 09:21.32 | goki____ | heh |
| 09:21.41 | unlink | PONG |
| 09:21.45 | geo-rge | unlink: this net disallows priv messages if your nick is not regd with nickserv and you're currently identified to nickserv |
| 09:22.03 | unlink | heh |
| 09:22.09 | unlink | silly freenode' |
| 09:22.11 | yos87 | unlink: did you recive private message? |
| 09:22.23 | unlink | nope |
| 09:22.26 | goki____ | unlink: so how would I prevent a module loading then? |
| 09:22.50 | geo-rge | there's suppposed to be a module/driver blacklist |
| 09:23.06 | geo-rge | other than that, don't have it in /etc/modules? |
| 09:23.14 | goki____ | yeah I tried that, for some reason it doesn't work |
| 09:23.20 | goki____ | nope, not in modules either :( |
| 09:23.25 | unlink | goki____: the 'blacklist' command |
| 09:23.26 | goki____ | It's quite mysterious |
| 09:23.28 | geo-rge | doesn't work meaning it loads? |
| 09:23.34 | goki____ | yup |
| 09:23.42 | geo-rge | so something else probably depends on it |
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| 09:24.15 | goki____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.23 | goki____ | although I could have done it wrongly :) |
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| 09:24.54 | goki____ | I assume there is something somewhere that sets up a console on the framebuffer, not sure where that is either |
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| 09:25.25 | goki____ | the module isn't in /lib/modules any more, either, so I assume it is compiled into kernel? |
| 09:26.01 | geo-rge | that sounds possible/reasonable |
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| 09:27.10 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 09:27.52 | geo-rge | read your kernel source config file to find out for sure |
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| 09:30.08 | yunhual | there are thousands of files located in the /dev directory, many of them unused, is there any way to find out unused file and delete it ? |
| 09:30.10 | smhar | hi friends |
| 09:30.23 | sanzana | hi.. how can i create on debian a group that only can send mail and use editor vi,nano and make dirs on there home dir and cannot access to any other dir .. only his home ? |
| 09:31.59 | yunhual | can you understand me ? |
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| 09:32.14 | geo-rge | sanzana: it's a lot of work to do something like that... as long as they have shell access, it's not really practical to go thru the work only to find they can still find another way (after all, the shell is actually a programming language) |
| 09:35.28 | geo-rge | yunhual: look into udev or devfs |
| 09:36.47 | ndowens | cydork: hey what's up |
| 09:37.16 | geo-rge | sanzana: having said all that, you'll get further faster if you go from the assumption you're not offering shell access |
| 09:37.56 | yunhual | geo-rge, i use kernel 2.6 version, is it use udev by default ? |
| 09:38.08 | cydork | ndowens: debian :P |
| 09:38.29 | cydork | !tell yunhual about udev |
| 09:38.45 | geo-rge | yunhual: see dpkg's messate to you |
| 09:38.48 | yunhual | :) |
| 09:38.50 | Grub_Now | !ramen |
| 09:38.51 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 09:38.53 | Grub_Now | :D |
| 09:39.11 | yunhual | it is no necessary to install man or header file to the target machine, when build the embedded system, can i specify don't install those files through ./configure, make or make install, if i can, how to get that ?? |
| 09:39.16 | geo-rge | oh yeah, make your BP rise with all the sodium :) |
| 09:40.12 | geo-rge | yunhual: that would come under the heading of "building things yourself", something I do encourage, but if you do it, the result is not supportable here |
| 09:40.14 | somiaj | trying to compile the module ieee80211-source for wireless support on an amd64 laptop. Right at the end I get an error, "architecture amd64 does not appear in package's list (i386)". The bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377982 has almost the oposite of this problem but it was amd64 was the onlything in the list but i386 wouldn't build. they updated from 1.1.14 to 1.1.14-1 to fix that problem |
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| 09:41.06 | somiaj | but now it causes a similar problem for amd64 systems. I cannot find an older 1.1.14 version package and am unsure if its posible to modify the source so it sees amd64 as a valid arch (which it is since there are lots of amd64 packages built against default debian kernels) |
| 09:41.12 | dondelelcaro | yunhual: you have to delete them afterwards or bind mount temporary directories which get blown away; dpkg isn't designed to selectively not install classes of files. |
| 09:41.14 | StuckMojo | something up with security? |
| 09:41.25 | yunhual | geo-rge, thank you :) |
| 09:41.45 | StuckMojo | security.debian.org i mean |
| 09:42.02 | dondelelcaro | StuckMojo: s.d.o is multiple machines; try again. |
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| 09:42.45 | StuckMojo | hmm..it's connecting, but hanging near the end of update |
| 09:42.58 | yos87 | unlink , geo-rge : as I read here http://www.ferner-online.de/thinkpad_r32.html , this laptop is very fine with debian |
| 09:43.01 | StuckMojo | weird |
| 09:43.23 | unlink | they haven't made that laptop in a long time |
| 09:43.36 | unlink | they are now making the r60 |
| 09:44.47 | unlink | the t60 is a better r60 |
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| 09:44.54 | unlink | and the t60 is what i have. |
| 09:44.58 | cydork | !tell sanzana -about away |
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| 09:45.32 | yos87 | http://www.newt.com/debian/thinkpad-t40p/ |
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| 09:45.46 | terje_ | Downloading drivers for my webcam now.. The drivers for windows are a 75MB download, the linux ones are ~600K =) |
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| 09:46.17 | magdalene | finally a server that isn't lagged to poop |
| 09:46.42 | cydork | magdalene: huh? |
| 09:46.56 | geo-rge | she likes herbavores |
| 09:46.59 | yos87 | unlink: r32 as the review seems working fine, do I but it? |
| 09:47.18 | unlink | yos87: unlink - they haven't made that laptop in a long time |
| 09:47.40 | cydork | geo-rge: oh ok.. i vaguely remember something about rib cage :P |
| 09:48.12 | cydork | magdalene: get a life ! :P |
| 09:49.15 | smhar | i had a trouble after upgrading my sarge system to etch, which is detailed here. some suggested that it could be a udev issue and suggested a fresh install and after suffersing enough I backed up my /home and did a fresh install of surge using a netinstall CD of Sarge RC1, but got the same errors!!! |
| 09:49.16 | magdalene | *GRIN* |
| 09:49.36 | dashome | Woah, etch is nearly frozen? |
| 09:49.41 | cydork | smhar: what errors? |
| 09:49.42 | geo-rge | no |
| 09:49.46 | geo-rge | it's frozen |
| 09:49.57 | dashome | Damn kids these days, everything is in a hurry. |
| 09:50.04 | unlink | hahaha |
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| 09:50.29 | smhar | cydork, oops I forgot the link :-) it is here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/12/msg00198.html |
| 09:50.59 | StuckMojo | aha! problem was i was missing the etch key |
| 09:51.14 | unlink | geo-rge: (incidentally, what's left of my dell laptop is running as a server at home, i am currently connected to IRC through it) |
| 09:51.14 | StuckMojo | but strangly i got no message about it most of the time |
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| 09:51.41 | geo-rge | unlink: that's not too bad |
| 09:51.53 | magdalene | if only it were that easy with this version |
| 09:51.55 | StuckMojo | okie dokie, thanks peeps |
| 09:52.04 | StuckMojo | seacrest out |
| 09:52.09 | StuckMojo | :P |
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| 09:52.18 | unlink | geo-rge: except that it consumes an order of magnitude too much power for the work it does |
| 09:52.39 | unlink | geo-rge: unless you consider 'heating my basement' work |
| 09:52.53 | unlink | in which case, it is 100% efficient |
| 09:53.08 | unlink | it is soon to be replaced with an NSLU2 |
| 09:53.15 | geo-rge | unlink: and this is a laptop :) |
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| 09:53.33 | geo-rge | what's a NSLUT |
| 09:53.36 | unlink | oh yes, the hottest room in the house is the room that this computer is in. |
| 09:53.53 | unlink | a NAS device from linksys that runs an XScale |
| 09:54.02 | unlink | draws about 8W |
| 09:54.10 | unlink | and it's about as powerful as a 486 |
| 09:56.01 | unlink | plenty of juice for staying connect to IRC with a 768Kbit uplink |
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| 09:57.05 | l3mr | i am trying to get cpufreq to run, but when i 'modprobe powernow-k7', i get FATAL: Error inserting powernow_k7 (..): No such device. I have an amd athlon xp 2500+ with the default 2.6-k7 kernel ... any ideas on how to solve this? |
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| 10:01.03 | pstickne | unlink, now look at the 60W light in your ceiling ;) |
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| 10:02.49 | unlink | i use fluorescent lamps exclusively |
| 10:03.02 | t2k2 | what kernel is installed with latest sarge ? |
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| 10:09.00 | goki____ | Well, if anyone remembers my weird problem, I fixed it :) Turns out the modules are on another partition, an are loaded by a separate linux, which then loads the linux I was in. Or something equally magical |
| 10:09.17 | goki____ | so not really a debian problem |
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| 10:10.48 | unlink | rofl |
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| 10:12.53 | wookienz | hi, need some help getting my dns to recognise that it is also a mail server and respond to the ns.domain.org ping |
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| 10:13.22 | SlayerXP | wookienz: okay. what specific question do you have? |
| 10:14.11 | aidehua | I would like a tool to move mail from an IMAPd to a maildir on my local machine. Is it wrong to be prejudiced against fetchmail? |
| 10:14.43 | wookienz | SlayerXP, i have set up zone and revp files for my local domain, i have SOA records pointing, i think, to one of the my computers being the mail server adn thus using ns.foo.org in the SOA file but it doesnt respond to the ping. |
| 10:15.12 | SlayerXP | wookienz: you haven't yet ruled out a networking issue. |
| 10:15.30 | wookienz | SlayerXP, the dns and the mail server are on the same mahcinr |
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| 10:16.48 | wookienz | SlayerXP, in the zone file for the domain i have a NS and MX record stating the machine to be referenced but when i try and ping it it doesnt respond. all other real IP's respond, just not this one that requires resolving. |
| 10:16.49 | SlayerXP | wookienz: can the machine resolve its own hostname? |
| 10:17.08 | wookienz | yes as it is localhost |
| 10:17.33 | SlayerXP | wookienz: can you ping it by (real) IP? |
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| 10:18.28 | AmGull | My system can`t boot after just installed custom kernel,i am using motherb. with VIA KT600 and SATA hard drive i am sure in corectly configured kernel options about SATA the system say:"Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append correct "root=" boot option" and then :Kernel panic - not syncing:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on unknown block (0,0) .How I can resolve problem ? |
| 10:18.32 | wookienz | SlayerXP, it can ping its own hostname but if i try and ping the host name with the added domain name on the back, ie ping foo, vs ping foo.domina,org it doesnt like it |
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| 10:19.58 | SlayerXP | wookienz: then you've screwed up the resolver config, or the bind config. |
| 10:20.50 | AmGull | the "root=" in /boot/grub/menu.list is just like debian original kernel |
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| 10:23.06 | AmGull | is anybody in this chat who want and who can HELP me ? |
| 10:24.08 | PerfDave | AmGull: Why are you using a custom kernel, and how did you compile it? |
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| 10:25.36 | wookienz | SlayerXP, so am i correct in having the bind config point to seperate zone and revp files and those files describing the domoain? |
| 10:26.00 | SlayerXP | AmGull: you forgot to include built in support for your boot device type (i.e. IDE/SATA controller type) and/or your root filesystem type. |
| 10:26.13 | SlayerXP | wookienz: maybe, it's your network, you should know. |
| 10:26.26 | AmGull | PerfDave:Debian way i have .deb file , About why - i need to apply netfilter patch-o-matic-ng and some other network related patches |
| 10:26.38 | magdalene | wookienz sounds more like your network |
| 10:26.48 | magdalene | or your dns |
| 10:27.04 | t2k2 | anybody remember what kernel ships with sarge ? |
| 10:27.26 | magdalene | wookienz do you run your own or rely on your ISPs |
| 10:28.13 | magdalene | t2k2 which version |
| 10:28.18 | PerfDave | t2k2: 2.6.8, 2.4.22 IIRC |
| 10:28.28 | t2k2 | thanks |
| 10:28.28 | magdalene | stable? |
| 10:28.31 | t2k2 | yes |
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| 10:28.37 | t2k2 | stable |
| 10:28.53 | magdalene | dave got it |
| 10:29.18 | t2k2 | sweet thats ok if its 2.6.8 |
| 10:29.19 | PerfDave | magdalene: "Sarge" is (currently) stable. |
| 10:29.30 | magdalene | thx |
| 10:29.49 | magdalene | well is been a long time since i looked :P |
| 10:29.55 | t2k2 | saying that 2.6.8 comes with etch also |
| 10:29.56 | t2k2 | lol |
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| 10:30.05 | PerfDave | t2k2: Etch comes with 2.6.18 |
| 10:30.22 | PerfDave | (or 2.6.17 if you're using the beta installer rather than the dailys) |
| 10:30.27 | t2k2 | ahh yea ya right |
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| 10:30.41 | t2k2 | is early (half asleep :)) |
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| 10:33.08 | RvGaTe | !seen mc_ |
| 10:33.08 | dpkg | mc_ <n=mc@91.84.12.83> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14d 20h 7m 28s ago, saying: 'RvGaTe, yes fine. how will you enable me. do you want an email addr?'. |
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| 10:33.18 | RvGaTe | holy sh*t |
| 10:33.50 | geo-rge | hey I remember that |
| 10:34.30 | magdalene | is late im tired and i haven't eaten a $debian_herbivore all day so im getting grumbly |
| 10:35.03 | geo-rge | gimme a teeshirt |
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| 10:35.46 | magdalene | i dont want to eat you |
| 10:35.56 | magdalene | they are for easy spotting |
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| 10:36.28 | geo-rge | understandable... I'm a herbavore-between-chicken-strips |
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| 10:37.25 | PerfDave | Don't forget that most commercially-farmed animals, particularly in the US, are fed on animal byproducts |
| 10:37.39 | magdalene | #debian_fern for a used one |
| 10:37.59 | magdalene | you can have this one, mind eht bloodstains and the claw/teeth holes |
| 10:38.15 | magdalene | yeah, i dontlive there |
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| 10:40.28 | magdalene | id wash it first |
| 10:40.31 | utrrrongeeb | When I press Control-F7 in Xfce running Firefox, it takes me to virtual desktop 1 and focuses a GEdit I have running. |
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| 10:41.46 | geo-rge | -DING-! |
| 10:41.50 | magdalene | sounds rite utrrrongeeb |
| 10:41.56 | magdalene | as long as it isnt dayglow when it comes out it should be fine |
| 10:42.26 | geo-rge | oops, had it in reverse |
| 10:42.59 | magdalene | i think i ate the herbivore part |
| 10:43.25 | geo-rge | youmean the herbavore that was in it :) |
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| 10:43.31 | magdalene | so it might just say #debian or $debian |
| 10:43.40 | magdalene | heh |
| 10:43.40 | magdalene | i wouldn |
| 10:43.43 | magdalene | t wear that |
| 10:44.14 | geo-rge | what good is a teeshirt I can't wear?! |
| 10:44.15 | magdalene | well that too |
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| 10:44.35 | RvGaTe | finaly, there he is |
| 10:44.39 | RvGaTe | after 2 weeks |
| 10:44.57 | utrrrongeeb | magdalene: It's not. I have the QuickNote extension installed, and Control-F7 is supposed to launch it. |
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| 10:47.09 | magdalene | ultrrrongeeb firefox may have just messed up because its conflicting with your machine's controls for your terminals |
| 10:47.41 | magdalene | you may want to write firefox for them to write a fix for it |
| 10:48.06 | magdalene | unless debian has a patch i dont know a bout |
| 10:49.10 | terje_ | Where do I find bleeding-edge packages like one for the 2.6.19 kernel? |
| 10:49.14 | Guerin | ah, fuck my friends |
| 10:49.25 | Guerin | in the immortal words of Cypress Hill: |
| 10:49.38 | Guerin | fuck 'em and feed 'em, cos we don't need 'em |
| 10:49.42 | magdalene | utrrrongeeb rather the firefox crew may not realize that some deb xterms use just control F kejys instead of control alt fkeys |
| 10:49.49 | Guerin | we won't join 'em if we can beat 'em |
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| 10:50.08 | PerfDave | Ctrl-Alt-Fn in X should be used for switching ttys. |
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| 10:50.12 | magdalene | i was wondering why my tabkey wasn't working |
| 10:50.17 | Guerin | my so-called friends believe in turning their guests out of their homes at 23:20 because they have work in the morning |
| 10:50.29 | Guerin | that's inexcusable in my world |
| 10:50.39 | PerfDave | Guerin: "There's the beer, there's the DVD player, I'm off to bed." |
| 10:50.58 | Guerin | PerfDave: it ain't right |
| 10:51.32 | perlmonk | http://www.thecircus.org/~bandman/bad_liver.jpg |
| 10:51.46 | magdalene | PerfDave some packages just use cntr f |
| 10:51.46 | magdalene | PerfDave ^fkeys rather |
| 10:52.09 | Guerin | perlmonk: please tell me that isn't new to you. |
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| 10:52.20 | PerfDave | magdalene: Which "packages" are you talking about? I'm talking about the X server itself. |
| 10:52.22 | smhar | hello again, |
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| 10:52.37 | geoaxis | hello people |
| 10:52.50 | unlink | puts("hello world"); |
| 10:53.06 | perlmonk | Guerin, Well, I hand on IRC and internet since years and I never seen it |
| 10:53.14 | geoaxis | unlink : echo "hello world" |
| 10:53.14 | perlmonk | not as far I remember |
| 10:53.35 | Guerin | perlmonk: in my town you can buy a tshirt which says that at almost any shop |
| 10:53.39 | geoaxis | well , i need to force uninstall drupal |
| 10:53.45 | unlink | (display "hello world")(newline) |
| 10:53.46 | magdalene | norwegian wood its 4 am here |
| 10:53.46 | magdalene | im off to bed |
| 10:53.52 | Guerin | asg: because that wouldn't be abused |
| 10:53.59 | asg | Guerin: shame |
| 10:54.07 | Guerin | dur canajians |
| 10:54.10 | asg | magdalene: norwegians get wood at 4am? Interesting |
| 10:54.23 | freespace | System.out.println("hello world"); (slow languags deserve representation too!) |
| 10:54.40 | geo-rge | magdalene:bye thanx for the tee |
| 10:54.47 | perlmonk | argh :( java.... |
| 10:54.58 | freespace | yes... |
| 10:55.21 | freespace | oh wait, judging from your nickname, let me come to some foregone conclusions about your attitude towards java |
| 10:55.27 | freespace | :) |
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| 10:56.16 | pstickne | puts "languages should be fun and sexy" |
| 10:56.20 | smhar | I had troubles after upgrading my Sarge system to Etch, which is detailed here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/12/msg00198.html . Some said it might be a udev problem and suggested I should install a fresh Etch, so after having enough, I backed up my /home and did a fresh install using netinstall cd of Etch RC1. strange enough I still have the same problems :-) |
| 10:58.48 | PerfDave | smhar: You might want to try using the 2.6.18 kernel now in Etch |
| 10:59.40 | Guerin | asg: more beer |
| 11:00.02 | Guerin | PerfDave: you too, though it's not yet lunchtime |
| 11:00.18 | smhar | PerfDave, is it available in the netinstall c? |
| 11:00.30 | smhar | PerfDave, s/c/cd |
| 11:00.43 | PerfDave | smhar: Which netinstall CD? Probably on the latest dailys, but not the beta installer. Grab it from the Internets. |
| 11:00.57 | PerfDave | Guerin: I'm going out for teppanyaki for lunch on the company, hopefully. |
| 11:01.10 | magdalene | PerfDave dunno but over the last few days the discussion has been rife with it, im new to deb, old redhat person no a lot about networks irc and troubleshooting perhaps im using the wrong wording but several learned folks had been talking about it, i said basically what you said and they told me different. so i just was passing it on, luck with it o |
| 11:01.10 | magdalene | no know rather |
| 11:01.12 | Guerin | PerfDave: make sure you have a sapporo. |
| 11:01.38 | magdalene | o tho rather rather |
| 11:01.46 | Guerin | ??? |
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| 11:01.59 | Guerin | magdalene: are you more drunk than me? |
| 11:02.05 | magdalene | nite |
| 11:02.11 | Guerin | apparently so |
| 11:02.25 | PerfDave | Guerin: http://www.sapporo.co.uk/manchester/home.asp |
| 11:02.57 | Guerin | PerfDave: THAT is where you're going? |
| 11:03.07 | PerfDave | Guerin: Apparently |
| 11:03.17 | Guerin | incredible |
| 11:03.41 | smhar | PerfDave, can I download the kernel-image.deb file and dpkg -i it? |
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| 11:03.54 | PerfDave | smhar: Why not just apt-get it? |
| 11:03.56 | Guerin | our initial plan for moving to Asia was to go and lie in Sapporo, but we ended up in Daesan. |
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| 11:04.04 | PerfDave | Or aptitude, or whatever |
| 11:04.09 | Guerin | s/lie/live/ |
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| 11:04.41 | geoaxis | i am unable to remove drupal via apt-get : the removal script halts saying unkonw database "" |
| 11:05.02 | geoaxis | is there a way to force reinstall drupal ..or force remove |
| 11:05.10 | geoaxis | or any package in general with apt |
| 11:05.24 | PerfDave | geoaxis: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 11:05.28 | Guerin | geoaxis: delete /var/cache/apt/archives/drupal.prerm |
| 11:05.37 | smhar | PerfDave, because the as I installed etch using the netinstall, the network card is not working properly, it is recognised and the driver (e100) is installed but it cannot reach the internet or even the router/modem |
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| 11:05.54 | Guerin | err, that path is wronf |
| 11:05.56 | Guerin | g |
| 11:06.09 | PerfDave | smhar: That sounds like something you want to fix before your hard disk DMA :) |
| 11:06.11 | geoaxis | PerfDave : pardon my lack of knowhow , what do you mean by BTS and how do i check it |
| 11:06.15 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 11:06.16 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 11:06.31 | Guerin | should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/drupal.prerm |
| 11:07.01 | smhar | PerfDave, I know, although it was working fine before and it came only after trying to solve the harddisk problem :-) |
| 11:07.16 | PerfDave | Guerin: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e9/Sapporo_CitySymbol.png/130px-Sapporo_CitySymbol.png is an *awesome* logo |
| 11:07.19 | aronofsky | hi, can anyone help me to read 'top' output, Because I got 3.5 of load average and I dont see any processes thats uses CPU or memory so i dont see where the problem come from |
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| 11:07.57 | PerfDave | smhar: Does your interface show up with "ifconfig -a"? |
| 11:08.16 | jabka | do anyone here figure how to accses HighLearn system ? (not using wine) |
| 11:08.28 | Guerin | PerfDave: beauty in simplicity. |
| 11:08.29 | blondie | what system? |
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| 11:08.34 | brammator | is mppe patch already applied to etch kernel source package? |
| 11:08.36 | Guerin | PerfDave: and it's on all their beer. |
| 11:08.45 | brammator | can't find separate package |
| 11:08.48 | Guerin | brammator: grep the config |
| 11:09.01 | jabka | HighLearn = some strange web server |
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| 11:09.10 | blondie | use apache instead |
| 11:09.11 | PerfDave | Guerin: Y'know, if someone had that as a tattoo, I'd think it was great. |
| 11:09.11 | Guerin | brammator: ISTR it being non-free or otherwise compromised, but that may not be the case any more. |
| 11:09.24 | jabka | no i don't use it my Collage use it |
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| 11:09.36 | Str0m | Hi... |
| 11:09.41 | Guerin | jareth_: ask your college to explain it |
| 11:09.49 | Guerin | jabka: ask your college to explain it |
| 11:09.53 | aronofsky | anyone can help me with top, I read the man but i donf find anything relevant |
| 11:09.54 | smhar | PerfDave, it shows in ifconfig. I am now running of knoppix 5.0 (which is debian modified) dvd from the same computer and everything works fine, almost |
| 11:09.58 | brammator | Guerin sorry, 'ISTR'? |
| 11:10.03 | Str0m | how can i lock a user in a specific folder on the ftp...? |
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| 11:10.05 | Guerin | !istr |
| 11:10.05 | dpkg | from memory, istr is I seem to recall/remember |
| 11:10.16 | Guerin | Str0m: depends on the ftpd |
| 11:10.30 | Guerin | aronofsky: man top; read it again |
| 11:10.34 | brammator | thanks |
| 11:10.39 | Guerin | aronofsky: or formulate a real question |
| 11:10.41 | Guerin | jesus |
| 11:10.43 | jabka | Guerin : they don't care the posix users or mac their answer was go buy windows |
| 11:11.09 | Guerin | aronofsky: i've had 15 beers and I *still* can't make up a useful answer to your stupid question |
| 11:11.16 | Str0m | Guerin its proftpd |
| 11:11.17 | blondie | if it's a windows program how do you expect it to run without something like wine? |
| 11:11.24 | Guerin | jabka: then you have your answer. |
| 11:11.31 | Guerin | jabka: why do you have to care? |
| 11:11.46 | Guerin | Str0m: aptitude install proftpd-doc |
| 11:11.51 | Guerin | Str0m: then read |
| 11:12.37 | jabka | Guerin : i have to use it (thru this system i download HW , the lectures and etc .. ) |
| 11:13.07 | Guerin | jabka: but ... if all you have to do is use it as a client,. why the fuck would you need to know anythign about it? It's http. |
| 11:14.03 | jabka | the server is Highlearn it has lots of errors and afaik you can't accses it tru FF or konki |
| 11:14.35 | Guerin | jabka: so use wget |
| 11:14.54 | jabka | it has ASP on it .. |
| 11:14.57 | Guerin | jabka: or lodge an official complaint withe the university management |
| 11:15.00 | Guerin | so? |
| 11:15.07 | blondie | what the fuck does ASP have to do with the client? |
| 11:15.08 | Guerin | asp is server-side, not client-side |
| 11:15.10 | blondie | it's server side |
| 11:15.27 | Guerin | as a client, this is 100% not your problem, |
| 11:15.38 | Guerin | pass it on to those people whose problem it actually is |
| 11:16.14 | jabka | Highlearn is a web server with ASP i can download the code but i can't use the system itself |
| 11:16.14 | aronofsky | Guerin, actually I got a loadaverage of 4.6 now and with top i dont know how to see what process takes CPU or memory ; what options should I use to be able to see that ? |
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| 11:16.39 | PerfDave | aronofsky: By default, top will sort by CPU usage. IIRC "M" will sort by memory usage. |
| 11:16.43 | blondie | jabka: you're not listening/making sense |
| 11:16.57 | Guerin | aronofsky: this is documented in the manpage. Hit M to see memory. Dunno about cpou, but it is possible. |
| 11:17.00 | jabka | The helpdesk said the next answer : if you use linux it is your prob |
| 11:17.13 | PerfDave | jabka: Escalate! |
| 11:17.24 | Guerin | jabka: complain to your student rep, or to the local media. |
| 11:17.24 | PerfDave | aronofsky: If you don't have anything using much CPU / memory, then disk usage might be a problem. Check your DMA settings, or check iostat. |
| 11:17.38 | jabka | like this will help .. |
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| 11:18.10 | geoaxis | <Guerin> geoaxis: delete /var/cache/apt/archives/drupal.prerm >> nopes ..no file like this ..only file related to drupal is a .deb file |
| 11:18.25 | Guerin | geoaxis: i told you that file was wrong |
| 11:18.33 | Guerin | geoaxis: it was my mistake |
| 11:18.50 | Guerin | geoaxis: should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/drupal.prerm |
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| 11:19.13 | jabka | explantion about HighLearn http://www.britannica-ks.com/Solutions/Education.asp |
| 11:19.18 | Guerin | jabka: well, if you're unprepoared tohelp yourself, wtf are we supposed to do? |
| 11:19.43 | Guerin | jabka: quit your university, it's not worth getting a degree from |
| 11:19.44 | jabka | i asked if anyone did figure out how to overcome the errors |
| 11:19.57 | geo-rge | bts? |
| 11:19.57 | Guerin | HighLearn was chosen by the Israeli Council for Higher Education |
| 11:20.03 | Guerin | there's the problem, right there |
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| 11:20.32 | PerfDave | jabka: You also didn't mention what these errors are. |
| 11:20.32 | jabka | right all the Uni here using this system |
| 11:20.34 | geoaxis | Guerin : oh. didnt see chat inbetween (was looking for my highlighted nick |
| 11:20.41 | magdalene | no , just typing with lag |
| 11:21.12 | Guerin | geoaxis: yeah, fair enough :) |
| 11:21.13 | Guerin | jabka: leave israel |
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| 11:21.21 | jabka | xd |
| 11:21.22 | jabka | XD |
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| 11:21.44 | jabka | ill geuss ill use qemu before it |
| 11:21.45 | Guerin | honestly, if it's that enmeshed with this stupid technology, your chances of getting a useful education are almost nil |
| 11:21.57 | Guerin | i say this as a student at a skool obsessed with windows |
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| 11:22.18 | geoaxis | Guerin : i don thave prerm file |
| 11:22.23 | Guerin | but jesus, at least it uses not-utterly-worthless http servers |
| 11:22.25 | geo-rge | you're still not saying what errors you're getting... oh well... yeah, go to a school that offers access |
| 11:22.44 | Guerin | geoaxis: it might be one of the others, then. Try to figure out which it is. |
| 11:22.46 | geo-rge | Guerin: probaly jesus is orthgonal :) |
| 11:22.47 | geoaxis | Guerin : but there is a postrm file |
| 11:23.01 | Guerin | geoaxis: that may be it. Read it and see. |
| 11:23.13 | Guerin | geoaxis: wtf does jesus have to do with anything? |
| 11:23.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:23.24 | Guerin | geo-rge: wtf does jesus have to do with anything? |
| 11:23.32 | geo-rge | dunno :) you brought him up :) |
| 11:23.40 | jabka | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.sce.ac.il%2Fextra |
| 11:23.45 | jabka | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Felearn.sce.ac.il&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline |
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| 11:24.14 | tech_ | morning all.. |
| 11:24.34 | Guerin | jabka: why do we care? |
| 11:24.37 | tech_ | i am trygin to install debian hppa via a netboot. |
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| 11:24.44 | jabka | thnx .. |
| 11:25.06 | tech_ | the system kernel panics after NET: Registering Family 1 |
| 11:25.12 | geo-rge | he's asking for political solutions? |
| 11:25.12 | SmallR2004 | what's the problem jabka? |
| 11:25.14 | tech_ | any ideas? or suggestions? |
| 11:25.46 | geo-rge | why is it pancaking? |
| 11:26.02 | tech_ | just says Interupt out of sync |
| 11:26.08 | EspadaV8 | hi, i'm getting an error running apt-get update |
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| 11:26.13 | Guerin | geo-rge: jesus, you're right, |
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| 11:26.26 | EspadaV8 | wli: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 11:26.26 | EspadaV8 | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:26.26 | EspadaV8 | wli: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 11:26.34 | geo-rge | of course I am :) |
| 11:26.37 | EspadaV8 | but running apt-get update just gives the same error again |
| 11:26.45 | tech_ | geo: any suggestions? |
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| 11:26.59 | Guerin | !topicsmite EspadaV8 |
| 11:26.59 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon EspadaV8. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:27.07 | SmallR2004 | EspadaV8, i believe you want /msg dpkg no public key |
| 11:27.28 | tech_ | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 11:27.38 | geo-rge | no, I'm just trying to clarify your statement of the problem and make sure you're saying everything you know about it |
| 11:27.41 | tech_ | reading is fundemtnal... |
| 11:28.08 | Guerin | tech_: your idea is right so I will refrain from correcting yout typistry |
| 11:28.13 | tech_ | i was able to get gentoo-hppa installed. But I really want debain |
| 11:28.18 | EspadaV8 | .... :-S |
| 11:28.36 | tech_ | haha thank |
| 11:28.38 | tech_ | s |
| 11:29.06 | geo-rge | EspadaV8: read that... do that... try again... until then, don't complain :) |
| 11:29.35 | EspadaV8 | i've read that, but it doesn't say how to add the public key |
| 11:29.49 | valdyn | !etch key |
| 11:29.49 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 11:29.57 | valdyn | EspadaV8: to hard ^^ ? |
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| 11:30.09 | geo-rge | to hard too doo! |
| 11:30.11 | Guerin | Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 11:30.24 | Guerin | HONESTLY |
| 11:30.32 | geo-rge | guerin: what about 2006 key? |
| 11:30.41 | EspadaV8 | not hard to do, just never done it before |
| 11:30.49 | SmallR2004 | can you tell me about etch key Guerin? :P |
| 11:30.58 | Guerin | geo-rge: that's just what the factoid said |
| 11:31.09 | Guerin | SmallR2004: no, because you can fucking READ about it |
| 11:31.16 | Guerin | sorry |
| 11:31.20 | SmallR2004 | er... |
| 11:31.20 | Guerin | did I miss the irony?> |
| 11:31.20 | geo-rge | Guerin: oohh ;) sorry :) |
| 11:31.45 | SmallR2004 | i did the reading a long time ago, you offered to tell me about it though ;) |
| 11:31.54 | Guerin | SmallR2004: ah, shaddup |
| 11:32.02 | Guerin | you and your cleverness |
| 11:32.06 | SmallR2004 | shurrup yaself! |
| 11:32.25 | geo-rge | stirrup? |
| 11:32.35 | EspadaV8 | sorry about asking, but i've never had to do that before and i had no idea that apt used that |
| 11:32.45 | SmallR2004 | what exactly am i doing up before 12am two days in a row? |
| 11:32.48 | geo-rge | EspadaV8: new etch thing |
| 11:33.04 | Guerin | what is this `before 12am' of which you speak? |
| 11:33.09 | EspadaV8 | ah, i see, thanks :-) |
| 11:33.19 | SmallR2004 | i was up by half ten today |
| 11:33.39 | SmallR2004 | (GMT0) |
| 11:33.39 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:33.51 | geo-rge | by five? |
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| 11:34.05 | sparr | i think my clock is broken... where it usually says "PM" theres an extra leg on the P |
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| 11:34.19 | Guerin | i have no time for the half-arséd lamers who believe in too much sleep |
| 11:34.29 | geo-rge | sparr: RM? |
| 11:34.30 | SmallR2004 | meh |
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| 11:34.43 | SmallR2004 | i went to sleep at 6:30am as normal |
| 11:35.04 | Guerin | then again, I'm just pissed off because I was the last standing at a party thrown by my oldest mate, attended by a bunch of his weak new friends who all like to go home by 2300 |
| 11:35.19 | sparr | geo-rge: maybe. it could be "AM" |
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| 11:35.47 | Guerin | sparr: like |
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| 11:35.49 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:36.14 | Guerin | nope, can't make the unicode char for `paragraph' |
| 11:39.05 | geo-rge | Guerin: these so-caled gothers, what can you do... |
| 11:39.16 | sparr | |
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| 11:39.47 | geo-rge | expect vampire partyers, get cinderellas |
| 11:39.52 | SmallR2004 | i read that as gopher... i need more sleep |
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| 11:41.20 | cydork | i always thought that parties start by 2300 |
| 11:41.32 | Guerin | geo-rge: yeah. There was one lovely woman who continued drinking wine out of the bottle until her lame boyfriend dragged her home, though. |
| 11:41.58 | geo-rge | parties need single women! |
| 11:42.47 | A-jay | right on man |
| 11:43.17 | A-jay | more women than guys |
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| 11:43.41 | Guerin | well, only if you're desperate |
| 11:43.42 | maasha | i can crash my brand new etch installation (updated) at will :o(((( |
| 11:43.42 | geo-rge | or at least equal numbers of men and women |
| 11:43.53 | Guerin | partied need *peoplr* as opposed to flakey weaklings |
| 11:43.59 | maasha | i just need to scp a bunch of files and it freezes completely |
| 11:44.02 | Guerin | *peoplE* |
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| 11:44.26 | Guerin | maasha: mm. That ain't right. |
| 11:44.41 | geo-rge | maasha: hmm... let's rule out the major problem areas first... could you run memtest86 for about 15 mins? |
| 11:44.41 | maasha | Guerin this must be some major bug - this bug has run completely stable with sarge for two years |
| 11:44.51 | A-jay | not equal so we have better chance 2 score |
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| 11:45.09 | Guerin | A-jay: if you need a better chance, you're not the man you think you are. |
| 11:45.13 | maasha | i have also experienced some ugly freezes working with firefox |
| 11:45.20 | geo-rge | you already have a better chance if you approach :P |
| 11:45.35 | Skiver | urgent guys. |
| 11:45.40 | Guerin | maasha: well, one thing about firefox is that it's a ramhog, so I wonder if scp isn't taxing your ram too. |
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| 11:45.53 | Skiver | english subject, how does a snake move ? |
| 11:46.07 | Skiver | sorry off-topic but this is urgent |
| 11:46.07 | Guerin | SmallR2004: it slithers |
| 11:46.20 | Skiver | Guerin to me ? |
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| 11:46.28 | Guerin | Skiver: yes, sorry. |
| 11:46.28 | geo-rge | Skiver: homework assignment? :) |
| 11:46.30 | maasha | Guerin: you know, i have this feeling it is due to xorg - but i will not test further because i am afraid to loose the disk ... |
| 11:46.46 | Guerin | maasha: why would a disk die because of software? |
| 11:46.55 | geo-rge | maasha: could you run memtest86 for awhile? |
| 11:46.55 | Skiver | geo-rge, i've already graduated long time ago. english isn't my native. |
| 11:46.58 | maasha | Guerin: i have to hardboot the box every time |
| 11:47.09 | Guerin | maasha: are you using nvidia driver? |
| 11:47.09 | maasha | geo-rge: sure |
| 11:47.13 | maasha | Guerin: no |
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| 11:47.29 | maasha | i am using the free ati driver |
| 11:47.30 | Guerin | maasha: follow geo-rge's advice. |
| 11:47.30 | Skiver | Guerin: can it slither up to a tree ? |
| 11:47.48 | Guerin | Skiver: yes it can. A snake slithers everywhere it goes./ |
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| 11:48.14 | valdyn | maasha: are you trying to log in from remote when it 'crashed' |
| 11:48.14 | geo-rge | and everywhere it goes, slithers, it does! |
| 11:48.37 | maasha | valdyn: yes - not possible |
| 11:48.51 | maasha | and only scaresly reponsive to sysrq |
| 11:49.04 | geo-rge | wait, you don't have physical access to the machine? |
| 11:49.05 | unlink | does memtest test the region of memory where the program is loaded? |
| 11:49.18 | geo-rge | unlink I think the answer is no |
| 11:50.02 | Skiver | thanks Guerin. |
| 11:50.04 | geoaxis | thank you Guerin , my porblem is solved |
| 11:50.09 | geo-rge | maasha: don't run memtest if you don't have physical access to the machine |
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| 11:50.13 | valdyn | guess it could move itself to a different place for testing, but i dont know |
| 11:50.14 | Guerin | geo-rge: winn0r! |
| 11:50.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 11:50.18 | Str0m | how do i move all files from one folder to another? |
| 11:50.24 | Skiver | and geo-rge |
| 11:50.24 | Guerin | geoaxis: winn0r! |
| 11:50.35 | valdyn | Str0m: mv |
| 11:50.35 | blondie | Str0m: mv |
| 11:50.37 | Guerin | Skiver: mv /foo/* /bar |
| 11:50.46 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 11:50.54 | Skiver | Guerin are you tired ? |
| 11:50.57 | geoaxis | can any one suggest a good source for debian administration on the web ( search engines don't know what is quality documentation , humans do) |
| 11:51.02 | geo-rge | mv one/folder/* another/ |
| 11:51.06 | Guerin | Skiver: I'm *extremely* drunk. |
| 11:51.17 | valdyn | geo-rge: theres a debian admin site, found it? |
| 11:51.35 | geo-rge | someone said something about it, posted a url |
| 11:51.40 | valdyn | geoaxis: theres a debian admin site, found it? |
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| 11:51.54 | geo-rge | too many days ago... but debian-admin.soimething? |
| 11:52.02 | maasha | geo-rge: i have physical access to the box - installing memtest |
| 11:52.08 | geo-rge | ok |
| 11:52.11 | valdyn | geo-rge: yea, first hit on google, so i dont see geoaxis issue |
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| 11:52.30 | berkes | hello :) |
| 11:52.34 | geo-rge | maasha: you run grub? |
| 11:52.47 | maasha | geo-rge: yes |
| 11:52.50 | gan | hi "i want 2 have the phpadmin3 debian pkg ,whr it is available |
| 11:53.06 | valdyn | gan: engrish please |
| 11:53.07 | geoaxis | valdyn : i looked into it ..didnt find it adequate for the particular task |
| 11:53.12 | berkes | somehow my server did not come up properly after a reboot, now ssh won't let me in, apparently because /etc/nologin exists. |
| 11:53.13 | maasha | *sigh* what is the memteste86 executable called? (i hate when executables dont match the pacakge name) |
| 11:53.18 | geo-rge | ok, look at your /boot/grub/menu.lst and there's a memtest flag to make sure it's yes |
| 11:53.19 | berkes | any hints how to get passed that? |
| 11:53.19 | valdyn | geoaxis: oh well, dont tell us the task |
| 11:53.30 | valdyn | geoaxis: otherwise you could get help |
| 11:53.31 | geo-rge | maasha, you have to boot to get to it |
| 11:53.47 | berkes | and I don't have physical access to the server right now. |
| 11:53.53 | geoaxis | coming from background of other linux distro , i just want to know a good way to manage services etc , make my debian sevrer a tame one |
| 11:53.56 | Skiver | Guerin, go to rest man. People will do fine here. |
| 11:54.04 | maasha | geo-rge: say? memtest86 is run from the grub menu? |
| 11:54.08 | valdyn | geoaxis: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 11:54.19 | Guerin | Skiver: i'm waiting for my wife to stop yarning with my best man. |
| 11:54.19 | blondie | maasha: we don't want to hear about your testes thanks |
| 11:54.19 | gan | i want the package of phpadmin3 debian |
| 11:54.29 | geo-rge | anyways, after making sure the memtest thing is on in your menu.lst, run grub-update |
| 11:54.37 | blondie | gan: did you try apt-cache search? |
| 11:54.51 | valdyn | geo-rge: doesnt apt-get install memtest86 do all that? |
| 11:55.11 | geo-rge | valdyn: probably... but I wanted to make sure |
| 11:55.13 | Skiver | Guerin: that sounds familiar. |
| 11:56.06 | maasha | geo-rge: hm, no grub-update exe? (i am used to lilo, sorry) |
| 11:56.08 | Guerin | Skiver: for clarification: `yarning' == `talking at length' |
| 11:56.22 | Guerin | maasha: update-grub |
| 11:56.30 | geo-rge | maasha: oops :) it's update-grub |
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| 11:56.46 | maasha | ok - done. booting. |
| 11:57.15 | gan | blon: i'm not getting |
| 11:57.20 | Guerin | for sanity's sake it *should* be gurb-update |
| 11:58.22 | geo-rge | yeah, that would be nice for things like tab-complete |
| 11:58.24 | Skiver | burps. |
| 11:58.39 | gan | blon: i'm not getting the that package |
| 11:58.50 | simonrvn | update-<tab> "would you like to see all 3000 entries?" |
| 11:58.50 | blondie | are you talking to me? |
| 11:58.51 | Guerin | would save a few dpkg -l's |
| 11:59.08 | Guerin | simonrvn: LTNS! |
| 11:59.10 | blondie | gan: then you either got the name wrong, or it's not in debian |
| 11:59.11 | geo-rge | valdyn: additionally, we're only doing this to make sure maasha box is ok hardwarewise |
| 11:59.15 | simonrvn | Guerin: :) |
| 11:59.42 | Guerin | simonrvn: i listened to that track you sent me again, it's valuable. |
| 11:59.58 | simonrvn | Guerin: :). i like it too ;) |
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| 12:00.15 | Guerin | simonrvn: the maori word is `tāonga', which roughly means `treasure' |
| 12:00.26 | simonrvn | mm, meegwetch |
| 12:00.34 | Guerin | there's no real english word, but I expect you get my drift |
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| 12:00.46 | simonrvn | yes i do. |
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| 12:01.46 | gan | blonde: hint : thats the package used for to addup in utilitycd |
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| 12:02.30 | Guerin | simonrvn: the great thing about NZ is that, because of the half-arsed colonial attempt, the word `tāonga' and other such actually have legal definition and weight, and apply to to such diverse thgings as land, rivers, water use rights, fisheries, broadcast (air) rights, and material stuff like art objects. |
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| 12:03.45 | simonrvn | too bad nz and canaduh refused to pas the declaration... mind you, the president changed the preamble to be a really sucky one.... no thanks, we're not municipalities |
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| 12:03.53 | simonrvn | others too |
| 12:04.01 | simonrvn | russia, and another i think |
| 12:04.09 | Guerin | yeah, f'real |
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| 12:04.18 | Guerin | the *draft* declaration, mind |
| 12:04.22 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 12:04.31 | Guerin | so even once ratified, they still would have had room to wiggle out |
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| 12:04.41 | simonrvn | the one they've spent ~10 years on |
| 12:04.46 | Guerin | yeah |
| 12:04.52 | Guerin | tokenism |
| 12:04.55 | Guerin | etc. |
| 12:04.58 | simonrvn | seriously |
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| 12:05.24 | geo-rge | I need help with pgadmin connect to my local postgres |
| 12:05.36 | geo-rge | I get... |
| 12:05.51 | Guerin | simonrvn: this is the research topic which is going to get me into the postgrad porogram next year; it's foremost in my mind right now |
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| 12:06.03 | Yunhual | what is pgadmin? |
| 12:06.30 | Guerin | Yunhual: postgresqladministration? |
| 12:06.34 | simonrvn | Guerin: :) |
| 12:06.35 | geo-rge | it's for postgres, it's a graphical client to it |
| 12:06.40 | Guerin | can you see why they abbreviated it? |
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| 12:06.47 | gan | 06thats the pkg (phpadmin3) used in utility side |
| 12:06.54 | Yunhual | :) |
| 12:07.03 | simonrvn | see you later, i need sleep |
| 12:07.06 | Guerin | simonrvn: are you in a position to come to NZ? |
| 12:07.12 | geo-rge | well this isn't phpadmin |
| 12:07.18 | Guerin | simonrvn: at any stage, I mean. |
| 12:07.29 | geo-rge | not the thing I'm using anyway |
| 12:07.31 | simonrvn | no. not the foreseeable future |
| 12:07.38 | simonrvn | $$ |
| 12:08.03 | Str0m | hmm how do i change my php version from 4 to 5? |
| 12:08.18 | blondie | on what version of debian? |
| 12:08.19 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah, I'm there too. |
| 12:08.23 | gan | 06 blonde: the pkg (phpadmin3) used in utility side |
| 12:08.36 | Str0m | hmm |
| 12:08.49 | blondie | gan: please, it's "blondie"... I don't understand you |
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| 12:09.29 | Str0m | how do i see my version of debian:S |
| 12:09.46 | Fox | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:10.08 | gan | you r getting this r not |
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| 12:10.20 | Str0m | blondie 4.0 |
| 12:10.20 | hack-man | Download The New Ncc Cracker Made By Chad Bunch Of New Commands hurry up and download it before yahoo patches it....N-Joy.. www.l33t-hackers.110mb.com/Ncc-Cracker-7.0.zip |
| 12:10.27 | gan | phpadmin3 pkg |
| 12:10.38 | blondie | Str0m: etch then? you can just install it from apt. |
| 12:10.48 | Str0m | i think it is installed |
| 12:10.53 | Guerin | simonrvn: there are interesting global-indigenous things happening here these days. I am very close to the organiser of a very significant annual peace festival whose concept extends beyond NZ, here, who would welcome foreign input. |
| 12:11.02 | Str0m | but i dont know how to switch to oit |
| 12:11.02 | gan | ok thanks |
| 12:11.05 | Str0m | but i dont know how to switch to it* |
| 12:11.53 | Fox | blondie: sid is 4.0 too |
| 12:12.11 | blondie | Fox: well he didn't say but it doesn't matter |
| 12:12.22 | simonrvn | Guerin: ok. email me |
| 12:12.25 | Str0m | it is etch;) |
| 12:12.28 | blondie | Str0m: you need to edit the apache config to load the 5 module instead of 4 |
| 12:12.34 | Str0m | ok |
| 12:12.46 | simonrvn | later |
| 12:13.02 | hack-man | Download The New Ncc Cracker Made By Chad Bunch Of New Commands hurry up and download it before yahoo patches it....N-Joy.. www.l33t-hackers.110mb.com/Ncc-Cracker-7.0.zip |
| 12:13.16 | Fox | hack-man: shut up |
| 12:13.24 | hack-man | ehh |
| 12:13.25 | hack-man | lol |
| 12:14.46 | geo-rge | who needs a cracker when you can have a cookie |
| 12:15.20 | hack-man | lol |
| 12:16.05 | Str0m | hmm blondie now i get this error Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /var/www/pottersiden.dk/includes/config.php on line 7 |
| 12:16.46 | jelly-home | geo-rge: Polly, of course |
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| 12:17.13 | blondie | Str0m: you probably need to install php5-mysql |
| 12:17.28 | hack-man | Download The New Ncc Cracker Made By Chad Bunch Of New Commands hurry up and download it before yahoo patches it....N-Joy.. www.l33t-hackers.110mb.com/Ncc-Cracker-7.0.zip |
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| 12:17.51 | Str0m | still nothing |
| 12:18.03 | blondie | and restart apache |
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| 12:19.17 | zamaliphe | lits say i need to find all the files that have the word "switch" at my home dir ok i try {find . |grep "switch"} and it didnot work |
| 12:19.50 | Str0m | damn forgot that:D and whats the gd name.. is it gd-lib5 |
| 12:20.43 | valdyn | zamaliphe: find -exec grep switch "{}" ";" |
| 12:21.50 | valdyn | zamaliphe: uh, grep -R switch * is easier |
| 12:22.42 | quhan | arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o: In function `thermal_interrupt':(.text+0x262f): undefined reference to `smp_thermal_interrupt' error, then stop, what should i do? |
| 12:22.43 | zamaliphe | valdyn: yah it work thanks but how ? |
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| 12:22.56 | valdyn | zamaliphe: how what? |
| 12:22.57 | Rambo3 | !fstab > dpkg |
| 12:23.34 | quhan | hi, i am compliering the kernel, and i met "arch/i386/kernel/built-in.o: In function `thermal_interrupt':(.text+0x262f): undefined reference to `smp_thermal_interrupt'" error, then stop, what should i do? |
| 12:23.45 | zamaliphe | valdyn: find -exec grep "exec grep for etch fine fund " ? |
| 12:24.08 | quhan | is there anyone can tell what's happened and what should i do? |
| 12:24.38 | valdyn | zamaliphe: everything after -exec and before the delimiter ";" is the grep command "{}" is the placeholder for the file that find is finding |
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| 12:25.56 | valdyn | quhan: make clean ( or make-kpkg clean if you use that ) first, then try again |
| 12:26.57 | quhan | valdyn: ok |
| 12:27.35 | valdyn | !ops hack-man spamming |
| 12:27.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: valdyn complains about: hack-man spamming |
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| 12:28.44 | zamaliphe | valdyn: thanks |
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| 12:28.56 | mentor | ? |
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| 12:29.07 | pngwn | he's been gone for about ten minutes |
| 12:29.26 | geo-rge | in the etch debian package of postgres 7.4.something, does it default to unix users = pg users? |
| 12:29.33 | valdyn | ops, sorry mentor |
| 12:29.46 | mentor | fantasy was onjoin too... |
| 12:30.08 | valdyn | i see, i wouldnt know about that |
| 12:30.11 | mentor | must be rotating |
| 12:31.05 | Braden` | I just installed the nvidia drivers and now my fonts dissapear whenever I open a dropdown menu (in kde or gnome). Any thoughts? |
| 12:32.04 | valdyn | Braden`: that issue is probably at www.nvnews.net in the linux forum, or maybe in debians bts |
| 12:32.35 | Braden` | valdyn: I was wondering if anyone here experienced the same thing. |
| 12:33.06 | Rambo3 | so you can whine together ? |
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| 12:33.23 | Braden` | Rambo3: I would assume they know how to fix it. |
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| 12:33.33 | Rambo3 | ah ok |
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| 12:34.29 | valdyn | old issue on specific nvidia chips, plenty documentation about it, I just never had a reason to read that |
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| 12:35.54 | Braden` | I suppose the geforce4 is considered old now. Thats depressing. I remember when I bought it brand spankin new... |
| 12:39.20 | brammator | < > PPP MPPE compression (encryption) (EXPERIMENTAL) (NEW) |
| 12:39.20 | brammator | < > PPP MPPE compression (encryption) (NEW) |
| 12:39.41 | RvGaTe | Braden`, let me guess, last year? |
| 12:39.42 | brammator | why? both points to CONFIG_PPP_MPPE |
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| 12:49.11 | magdalene | im waiting for gnea to get back |
| 12:49.19 | magdalene | Rambo3 no, im helping him with logs to get a ban evader klined |
| 12:49.23 | magdalene | him and abrotman |
| 12:49.25 | magdalene | thanks awfully |
| 12:49.31 | magdalene | also, i am actually, 1 learning, 2, providing some teir 1 tech and keeping things sane when flames start.... |
| 12:49.43 | magdalene | and lags like heck |
| 12:50.01 | magdalene | anand wonders who that question was actually directed at |
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| 12:51.42 | quhan | what about this error?"make[6]: *** No rule to make target `/home/quhan/linux/drivers/media/dvb/b2c2/Makefile'. Stop." |
| 12:52.08 | cydork | quhan: you edited it didn't you? :) |
| 12:52.19 | quhan | no |
| 12:52.28 | quhan | i just make menuconfig, and save |
| 12:53.14 | cydork | quhan: then the makefile is wrong :P |
| 12:53.27 | quhan | what should i do? |
| 12:54.07 | quhan | i can slove this problem use touch, but too much errors like this |
| 12:54.14 | geo-rge | quhan: how did you get and extract the source? |
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| 12:54.20 | cydork | quhan: where did you get it from? |
| 12:54.21 | Krazy-J\DC | hi |
| 12:54.24 | Krazy-J\DC | anyone around? |
| 12:54.33 | quhan | a lot of file Makefile i dont have |
| 12:54.34 | geo-rge | nope, we're all circular |
| 12:54.52 | Krazy-J\DC | just wondering how i can install mysql version 4.1.21 |
| 12:55.00 | Krazy-J\DC | I've tried apt-get upgrade etc... |
| 12:55.01 | geo-rge | oh, wait,. that IS around! |
| 12:55.11 | quhan | kernel.org |
| 12:55.26 | quhan | but i get the same error from debian |
| 12:55.32 | Krazy-J\DC | i can only update to version 4.0.24 |
| 12:56.01 | cydork | Krazy-J\DC: sarge? |
| 12:56.27 | Krazy-J\DC | yes |
| 12:56.45 | sep | Krazy-J\DC, sarge only have 4.1.11a |
| 12:57.13 | Krazy-J\DC | really? |
| 12:57.14 | Krazy-J\DC | hmm |
| 12:57.15 | sep | Krazy-J\DC, mysql-server-4.1 package |
| 12:57.15 | tech_ | anyone here ever install debian hppa ? |
| 12:57.43 | geo-rge | quhan: ok, what exactly are you trying to accomplish |
| 12:57.43 | Krazy-J\DC | beautiful sep |
| 12:57.44 | Krazy-J\DC | cheers |
| 12:57.46 | Krazy-J\DC | will cehck it out now |
| 12:58.30 | quhan | complie the kernel |
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| 12:58.42 | quhan | geo-rge: i would like to complier the kernel |
| 12:58.45 | geo-rge | quhan: ok, what exactly are you trying to accomplish by compiling the kernel? |
| 12:59.00 | quhan | use win4lin |
| 12:59.16 | geo-rge | I'm curious, for one, and maybe your answer will help |
| 12:59.33 | geo-rge | what are you using now? |
| 12:59.58 | valdyn | quhan: why don't you use wine? |
| 13:00.31 | quhan | geo-rge: it cant run some program exactly |
| 13:00.38 | quhan | :( |
| 13:00.53 | quhan | valdyn: it cant run some program exactly |
| 13:01.11 | quhan | and some program cant run |
| 13:01.28 | Krazy-J\DC | sep |
| 13:01.29 | valdyn | !win4lin |
| 13:01.29 | dpkg | win4lin is probably an application built on top of a dos emulator(Merge) that allows you to run windows(but not NT or 2k) in X. It is much faster than VMWare, and is reportedly as fast as running on native hardware. Most instructions execute directly on the processor. Other benefits of win4lin include that it uses a directory structure, rather than a file to represent the windows disks. http://www.trelos.com ... see japh(webmaster) for more info |
| 13:01.33 | Krazy-J\DC | problem is still there? |
| 13:01.39 | Krazy-J\DC | its still the same version.. |
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| 13:02.00 | earthian | hello |
| 13:02.09 | quhan | the big problem is that i cant complier the kernel |
| 13:02.11 | earthian | how do i install packages by pattern? |
| 13:02.17 | earthian | i.e. i want this and i get his: |
| 13:02.19 | earthian | fostral:/home/earthian# apt-get install openoffice.org-*-lt |
| 13:02.19 | earthian | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:02.19 | earthian | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 13:02.19 | earthian | E: Couldn't find package openoffice.org-*-lt |
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| 13:02.29 | earthian | ops |
| 13:02.30 | cydork | Krazy-J\DC: sarge is stable so it wont have the new version. if you want check bpo |
| 13:02.42 | quhan | i need a kernel with win4lin patch, but i cant complie it |
| 13:02.55 | earthian | ups sorry.. |
| 13:02.57 | sep | Krazy-J\DC, you mean you still have 4.0 version and not 4.1 version ? |
| 13:03.03 | geo-rge | quhan: what os are you running now? |
| 13:03.21 | quhan | debian |
| 13:03.26 | quhan | debian etch |
| 13:03.28 | earthian | E: Couldn't find package openoffice.org-*-lt <--- how do i write this correctly so apt-get would install me all packages which apply to this pattern? |
| 13:03.39 | geo-rge | ok, apt-get install build-essential |
| 13:03.52 | sep | Krazy-J\DC, takebackup before upgrading from 4.0 to 4.1 |
| 13:04.01 | quhan | geo-rge: are you talking to me? |
| 13:04.18 | geo-rge | yep |
| 13:04.24 | quhan | is this "ok, apt-get install build-essential" talk to me? |
| 13:04.27 | sep | Krazy-J\DC, the mysql format have changed. and 4.1 will automaticaly upgrade it. but you can not downgrade again so you would want to backup before upgrading. |
| 13:04.29 | geo-rge | yep |
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| 13:05.05 | cydork | quhan: did you try with kernel-package? |
| 13:05.10 | geo-rge | dtrump; YOU'RE FIRED! |
| 13:05.16 | cydork | quhan: and debian kernel source |
| 13:05.26 | quhan | geo-rge: what can i get when i install build-essential |
| 13:05.40 | quhan | cydork: how to? |
| 13:05.54 | cydork | quhan: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 13:05.58 | geo-rge | everything you need to do (simple) building |
| 13:06.03 | quhan | cydork: i have installed the kernel-package |
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| 13:06.34 | rhalff | hm now that's what I call an upgrade: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-7 in etch :p |
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| 13:06.47 | rhalff | I was expecting some 5.0 and 2.1 something |
| 13:06.48 | cydork | quhan: then read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 13:06.51 | rhalff | yay, debian |
| 13:07.04 | k31th | Guys i need to load a module with some specific options... i need to load the following.... options bttv card=0,0,0,0 tuner=4,4,4,4 |
| 13:07.44 | tech_ | damn.. another kernel panic... |
| 13:07.52 | tech_ | eth0: GSC DS21140 Tulip rev 34 at Port 0x10000, 00:10:83:F5:79:7F, IRQ 23. |
| 13:07.55 | tech_ | FLT 0000Kernel panic - not syncing: Kernel Fault |
| 13:08.00 | geo-rge | use modconf, find bttv, hit enter, put card=0,0,0,0 tuner=4,4,4,4 when it asks for options |
| 13:08.02 | tech_ | installing debian on hppa |
| 13:08.09 | tech_ | well installing debian hppa |
| 13:08.14 | k31th | geo-rge: thanks |
| 13:08.15 | geo-rge | tech_: hmm, bad bad |
| 13:08.17 | tech_ | PARISC based system |
| 13:08.20 | tech_ | yeah.. |
| 13:08.32 | tech_ | gotta wait to get home and reboot the bitch now grr |
| 13:08.48 | quhan | geo-rge: do you mean i can fix the problem i met after i install build-essential? |
| 13:10.04 | quhan | cydork: yes ,i know how complie the kernel by debian method |
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| 13:10.34 | cr3 | which package contains the mail(1) program? |
| 13:11.24 | cydork | cr3: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:11.24 | petemc | mailx |
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| 13:12.25 | xs4rg7tn | hi guys. Im from the University Nacional from colombia and we are development a project about TeleMedicina and i need to know how can i load a dll from a jar a signed jar any code sample any suggestion? please help me is very importan to me |
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| 13:13.50 | yuv656 | is there a way to measure network bandwidth using shell commands? |
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| 13:14.06 | petemc | yuv656: nload, bwm, iptraf, jnettop |
| 13:14.09 | petemc | etc |
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| 13:14.18 | yuv656 | petemc: thanks will try |
| 13:14.52 | geo-rge | maasha, back? |
| 13:15.00 | geo-rge | nope |
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| 13:18.00 | petemc | xs4rg7nt: that sounds like a windows/java issue , rather than anything to do with debian |
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| 13:18.50 | roby | If I do 'convert -rotate 90' on a JPEG image, does the resulting output file have less image quality than the original file? The file size is surely smaller! |
| 13:19.02 | roby | convert is from the ImageMagick package |
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| 13:19.20 | perlmonk | xs4rg7nt, #java is your best shot |
| 13:19.35 | xs4rg7nt | ok thansk guys |
| 13:19.53 | geo-rge | roby: maybe the default output compression is better than the actual compression used on the file you supplied |
| 13:20.26 | geo-rge | it's likely called ##java |
| 13:21.37 | bl0ck | someone struggled with firstdedicated expert server - i cannot boot with custom kernel... |
| 13:21.40 | roby | geo-rge: let me ask a question in general: if i take a jpeg image of quality 7/10, make changes and save again as 7/10, does that mean the quality has dropped even lower ? So if I were to keep making changes and saving at 7/10 quality the image is becoming poorer each time? |
| 13:21.57 | SlayerXP | roby: correct. |
| 13:22.02 | roby | crap |
| 13:22.48 | geo-rge | perhaps you can exploit that using multiple frames/animation |
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| 13:25.07 | geo-rge | can you save it at 7/7? |
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| 13:25.35 | yuv656 | how do you read the output of a shell command that dynamically changes, like top? |
| 13:25.38 | yuv656 | or nload |
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| 13:25.46 | yuv656 | over a pipe |
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| 13:27.14 | Mrdini | heya all |
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| 13:27.15 | Mrdini | just wondering - I have a cron job that keeps running - however I can't seem to find out which user "owns" it - I've looked in /var/spool/cron/crontabs & it's not listed there |
| 13:27.23 | Trewas | roby: its possible to rotate jpegs losslessly, but maybe no with imagemagick |
| 13:27.48 | tech_ | MrDini: you specify wh9o should run it IN the job |
| 13:27.53 | tech_ | example: |
| 13:27.54 | tech_ | 30 11 * * * root /usr/sbin/ntpdate -u 129.6.15.28 > /dev/null |
| 13:28.00 | tech_ | root owns that |
| 13:28.03 | petemc | yuv656: you could perhaps get the info you need by looking in /proc/net/dev |
| 13:28.05 | roby | Trewas: how? |
| 13:28.07 | geo-rge | tech: you'd do that in /etc/crontab |
| 13:28.12 | tech_ | yes |
| 13:29.22 | Mrdini | tech, no, no - WHICH crontab file is the job in |
| 13:29.22 | tech_ | oh. |
| 13:29.22 | yuv656 | petemc: thanks i'll try |
| 13:29.22 | geo-rge | not in the user crontabs |
| 13:29.22 | tech_ | search the cron.d dir |
| 13:29.22 | tech_ | ? |
| 13:29.22 | roe_ | how do I upgrade just one package? |
| 13:29.22 | petemc | apt-get install package |
| 13:29.22 | Trewas | roby: exiftran (in debian) seems to do that for example |
| 13:29.23 | geo-rge | apt-get install just-one-package |
| 13:29.23 | Axet | Hi all, I have just installed a copy of Debian Etch via net install but i've noticed some "odd" things that are missing. the killall and lspci commands are "missing". Have they been removed from Debian 4.0 ? |
| 13:29.23 | Mrdini | tech, it's not there (I know the actual cron script is in /etc/cron.daily/) |
| 13:29.24 | Axet | or do i need to install some package ? |
| 13:29.24 | geo-rge | man apt-get for all the gorey details |
| 13:29.36 | petemc | Axet: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:29.40 | geo-rge | Axet: if you just rebooted, all you have is the debian base |
| 13:30.06 | geo-rge | that is, if you just rebooted immediately after installing |
| 13:30.20 | Mrdini | unless there's another cron.d directory |
| 13:30.33 | Axet | no, i went through the usual installation process |
| 13:30.41 | geo-rge | Mrdini: did you see where I thought a crontab was? |
| 13:31.44 | Axet | any ideas what the problem could be ? |
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| 13:31.49 | bl0ck | if a custom compiled kernel and the logs dont show anything after booting with another(network boot kernel) what can be the reason |
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| 13:32.22 | geo-rge | Mrdini: did you see where I thought a crontab was? |
| 13:32.42 | Mrdini | geo-rge, it's ok - worked it out |
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| 13:32.50 | geo-rge | ok, nonresponsive... just scroll up, you might find a crontab |
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| 13:33.05 | petemc | Axet: problem? they're not installed - you get an option to install standard system or some such at the end of the installer, did you do that? |
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| 13:33.23 | geo-rge | Mrdini: you might learn something |
| 13:33.24 | Daemonik | How does Debian's security compare to OpenBSD's? |
| 13:33.28 | tech_ | mrDini: thats very odd... find -name . whatever-it-is ???? |
| 13:33.42 | geo-rge | (of course... no one these days is interested in that) |
| 13:33.53 | Axet | i normally install all of the packages manually instead of selecting a type of system |
| 13:34.07 | Axet | i've never had any problem doing it this way with sarge |
| 13:34.26 | petemc | Axet: whats the problem? |
| 13:34.32 | Mrdini | as was only familar with the crontabs in /var/spool/cron/ |
| 13:34.45 | geo-rge | but are you saying that cron is not run for that to happen? |
| 13:34.51 | bl0ck | if a custom compiled kernel and cannot boot and the logs dont show anything after booting with another(network boot kernel) what can be the reason - I use the same .config on another similar server - AMD Opteron with nforce chipset - just one big difference - the server which cannot boot has SATA disks... - but i have support for sata enabled in my config |
| 13:35.01 | Axet | lspci doesn't exist on the disk, nor does killall. I don't know what else is missing yet |
| 13:35.06 | geo-rge | if so, scroll up, find where I say where a crontab might be, read it |
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| 13:35.30 | Axet | it isn't a path issue |
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| 13:36.05 | johaBBa | with SSH/SFTP how do you keep a user in their home directory? |
| 13:36.23 | petemc | Axet: install them |
| 13:36.34 | wizkoder | why does the package for mutt need exim? |
| 13:36.47 | petemc | wizkoder: mutt needs a local mta |
| 13:36.55 | petemc | debian does, in fact |
| 13:37.04 | Axet | petemc : which package contains those commands because apt-cache search doesn't find them ... |
| 13:37.10 | Axet | :/ |
| 13:37.17 | geo-rge | pci-utils? |
| 13:37.20 | petemc | Axet: /msg dpkg search , which was the first thing i said to you |
| 13:37.22 | geo-rge | psutils? |
| 13:38.22 | jazbo2187 | When I `apt-get update; apt-get upgrade` I'm getting an error on xlibs-static-dev. `apt-get -f install` doesn't fix it. What else can I do? |
| 13:38.25 | geo-rge | Axet: if you're missing somthing you want, it's not like you can't get it... you can either install a package or build the thing yourself |
| 13:38.32 | wizkoder | But postfix is installed here. maybe a selfmade package? |
| 13:38.42 | Axet | geo-rge : ok i have lspci now |
| 13:38.51 | petemc | wizkoder: the package system needs something to provide mail-transport-agent |
| 13:39.02 | geo-rge | jazbo2187: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:39.20 | Axet | ok i found the package with killall |
| 13:39.23 | Axet | thanks |
| 13:39.25 | Axet | bye |
| 13:39.26 | AmGull | in what cases i need to complie a kernel with --initrd option on make-kpkg ? |
| 13:39.46 | jazbo2187 | geo-rge: I'm running some kind of wacky mixed system; is that still a good idea? |
| 13:39.59 | geo-rge | jazbo2187: hell no :) |
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| 13:40.07 | jazbo2187 | geo-rge: doh |
| 13:40.15 | geo-rge | how did you get the wackyness? |
| 13:40.38 | wizkoder | do these packages have an mta flag or something? |
| 13:40.49 | jazbo2187 | geo-rge: knoppmyth |
| 13:40.57 | AmGull | someone tell me |
| 13:41.03 | t2k2 | how can i make a driver module ive compiled work when i reboot ? |
| 13:41.26 | sep | t2k2, add it in /etc/modules |
| 13:41.29 | geo-rge | wizkoder: debian needs an mta... the whole thing... not just mutt... debian expects to be able to email... go figure... |
| 13:41.30 | t2k2 | do i have to add it somewhere , im using etch ? |
| 13:42.09 | petemc | wizkoder: as ive already said, the package system needs something to provide "mail-transport-agent" |
| 13:42.23 | t2k2 | thanks :) |
| 13:42.23 | geo-rge | jazbo2187: hmm, so you're saying you're running a combination of what? and what do you want when you're done? |
| 13:42.31 | sep | wizkoder, most unix systems use email for alerts and other critical issues. having a working local MTA is important. not having one is like riding a motorcycle with a blindfold. |
| 13:42.42 | aidehua | Is there a small tool for moving (i.e. copy, then delete) IMAP messages to a local maildir? |
| 13:42.59 | petemc | an imap client |
| 13:43.01 | sep | aidehua, imapsync ? |
| 13:43.07 | petemc | aka a mua |
| 13:43.17 | geo-rge | sep: naww, it's more like riding a motorcycle without a speedometer :) |
| 13:43.26 | wizkoder | Okay. I will ask in another way :-) How can I install a package without solving this deps. Because we have postfix already installed and do not want mutt to install exim. |
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| 13:43.53 | petemc | wizkoder: equivs |
| 13:43.57 | geo-rge | wizkoder: so you have an mta... how did you install it? |
| 13:44.01 | aidehua | petemc: I'd like to run this periodically, or at least before I run "mutt" on the maildir. |
| 13:44.02 | sep | geo-rge, no without alerts you dont see that it's going to hell until you crash. the speedometer only tll you how quickly you get there. |
| 13:44.23 | wizkoder | mail is working here. Its the server here in my company. No clue how all that was installed |
| 13:44.29 | geo-rge | all I'm saying is it's mostly not immediately critical |
| 13:44.59 | sep | wizkoder, if you installed postfix from sources (i dont want to know why. peaople do all kinda strange things) then use equivs to saticfy the dependencies that the packages for postfix usualy would do |
| 13:45.00 | geo-rge | wizkoder: so the server you are now running has postfix? |
| 13:45.23 | wizkoder | exactely :-) And can send mail |
| 13:45.45 | jazbo2187 | geo-rge: hmm maybe I just want to hold back xlibs-static-dev. |
| 13:45.57 | petemc | you should smack whoever installed it outside of the packaging system without the proper steps to keep it working |
| 13:46.08 | sep | wizkoder, if you are responsible for it. you should worry. postfix (as any other app in the world) can have security issues, and when you dont install from packages you wont get the upgrades for free. you must patch and recompile your source. |
| 13:46.11 | geo-rge | jazbo2187: hmm, so you're saying you're running a combination of what? and what do you want when you're done? |
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| 13:47.10 | jazbo2187 | geo-rge: looks like its a combo of stable and unstable and I just want to be able to install packages again without getting this error about xlibs-static-dev |
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| 13:48.01 | geo-rge | unstable? I don't know anything about unstable... I don't run it |
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| 13:48.46 | jazbo2187 | geo-rge: yah, I'm pretty confused here maybe I need to poke around a bit before asking more questions. Just thought maybe this was something common |
| 13:48.54 | geo-rge | why don't you try this... dpkg --configure --pending |
| 13:49.52 | geo-rge | (note! if you're not running -debian- (not knoppix, ubuntu or any debian BASED distros that are not debian), this may or may not work) |
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| 13:51.25 | geo-rge | if you're trying to get to unstable debian, you need to know how to solve problems... because it changes daily and in non-predictable ways, it's not easy to support, so sometimes people here just don't, and rely on your ability to solve your problems |
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| 13:51.33 | cast | or....if you're not running debian why are you here! |
| 13:51.44 | geo-rge | I don't actually care about that |
| 13:52.38 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 13:53.12 | jazbo2187 | All my systems are debian and as far as I can tell this is debian too. Same repos same apt... |
| 13:53.14 | earthian | E: Couldn't find package openoffice.org-*-lt <--- how do i write this correctly so apt-get would install me all packages which apply to this pattern? |
| 13:53.16 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 13:53.45 | geo-rge | the thing he needs to know about that, is other based-on-debian dists -might- have the same packaging system (but the subquestion there, is "same as what?"), and definitely does not have all the same packages |
| 13:54.41 | geo-rge | earthian: first find all the package names that match... then feed those names to apt-get |
| 13:55.00 | bintut | i am pissed off with my openoffice.org install already.. i'm working on a spreadsheet and when inputting a word with a prefix of -- (that's a double dash), when i enter or go to other cells, it removes one of the dashes.. how can i fix this? |
| 13:55.15 | earthian | geo-rge, how? |
| 13:55.29 | geo-rge | by any method you can think of... |
| 13:55.31 | cast | bintut: gnumeric is pretty good ;) |
| 13:56.19 | geoaxis | !services |
| 13:56.20 | geo-rge | bintut: is |
| 13:56.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 13:56.31 | cast | bintut: eh. then enter ---? i'm not sure how oo.o escaping works, but that might be what you're running into |
| 13:56.33 | geo-rge | bintut: it's probably turning it into an "em dash" |
| 13:56.40 | bintut | ok, don't bother.. i already figured out how |
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| 13:56.56 | BabyBee | ? |
| 13:57.06 | bintut | thanks all.. |
| 13:57.07 | geo-rge | % |
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| 13:59.38 | geoaxis | need a pointer : preffered way to control services in debian , ie what and what not gets started on boot |
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| 14:00.04 | geo-rge | err, west! |
| 14:00.52 | geo-rge | look at /etc/init.d/ and /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 14:01.06 | geo-rge | man update-rc.d |
| 14:01.14 | geo-rge | look at /etc/rc2.d |
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| 14:02.01 | geoaxis | geo-rge : update-rc.d , is what i was looking for |
| 14:02.17 | geoaxis | equivalent to rc_update in gentoo |
| 14:02.34 | geo-rge | given your question, all those things are what you're looking for :) |
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| 14:03.18 | geoaxis | so thank you for you pinpointed but full answer , |
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| 14:03.29 | geoaxis | it much shorter than looking towards west |
| 14:03.46 | geo-rge | ok, wait, that was supposed to be north |
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| 14:11.05 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 14:11.05 | dpkg | <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
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| 14:12.44 | geo-rge | !qotd69 |
| 14:12.44 | dpkg | <mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
| 14:12.53 | Flimzy | how large is a full debian i386 + sources mirror? |
| 14:13.38 | geo-rge | so you want sources, i386 and probably "all" |
| 14:13.49 | Flimzy | yeah, all would be helpful :) |
| 14:13.52 | geo-rge | and I have no idea :) |
| 14:13.56 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 14:14.02 | Flimzy | oh, and on etch, too |
| 14:14.03 | Flimzy | I should specify that |
| 14:14.03 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 14:14.38 | geo-rge | right, otherwise you'd be getting lots of stuff you didn't expect like sarge and sid |
| 14:14.52 | geo-rge | and maybe oldstable, woody |
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| 14:16.07 | Flimzy | I wonder if there's a stats page with that sort of stuff in it somewhere |
| 14:16.16 | geo-rge | I think there might be |
| 14:16.24 | geo-rge | I remember something liek that |
| 14:17.30 | stew | !dstats etch |
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| 14:17.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18650 packages, 1722 maintainers, 40712 MB installed size, 13318 MB compressed size. |
| 14:17.41 | Flimzy | How big is the Debian archive? The whole thing: 205g |
| 14:18.09 | Flimzy | stew: For what archetecture? And what about sources? |
| 14:18.18 | stew | Flimzy: that i386, binary only |
| 14:18.26 | Flimzy | okay |
| 14:18.29 | Flimzy | well that's useful. |
| 14:18.31 | geo-rge | so, no "all"? |
| 14:18.32 | malverian | Wow.. that's pretty large. |
| 14:18.34 | Flimzy | Sources are probably, what, another 1.5x that? |
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| 14:18.57 | malverian | Flimqy: I assume you know that you wouldn't have _every_ packgae installed? |
| 14:19.17 | geo-rge | malverian: maybe he's thinking of mirroring |
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| 14:19.26 | malverian | geo-rge: *nods* |
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| 14:19.43 | abrotman | !dstats lenny |
| 14:19.47 | Flimzy | malverian: sure. But I would have most packages mirrored :) |
| 14:19.50 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 14:19.55 | Flimzy | Actually, I could probably eliminate most X-related packages from my own mirror |
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| 14:20.18 | Flimzy | probably easier to mirror the whole thing, to |
| 14:20.20 | stew | abrotman: i think those stats for lenny are accurate |
| 14:21.08 | geo-rge | Flimzy: likely, -much- easier |
| 14:21.15 | abrotman | stew: dpkg told me in /msg it was an invalid release name :) |
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| 14:23.27 | geo-rge | can dpkg be asked what are valid release names? |
| 14:23.44 | Flimzy | well if i386 binary is roughly 13g... I would guess I'll need 30g or so for a full i386+all+sources mirror |
| 14:24.12 | geo-rge | and that would probably be estimating a bit close |
| 14:24.13 | pipeline | Flimzy: More than that. Sources = huge. |
| 14:24.19 | Flimzy | hrmph |
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| 14:24.36 | Flimzy | in any case, I think my 40gb partition won't be big enough for this mirror plus some other VPSes :P |
| 14:26.36 | Flimzy | I think it is time to aquisition a larger storage medium |
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| 14:27.07 | Niklas- | Hi. I was wondering if its somehow possible to see what configure commands a developer used when he made a package? |
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| 14:27.58 | sep | Niklas-, grab the source package and look for yourself. |
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| 14:29.44 | Niklas- | Hmm, that doesn't give me which configure args he used? |
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| 14:32.40 | Niklas- | Ah got it now. Thanks sep |
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| 14:36.23 | mne | hi, can anyone help me with xdtv ? I have no sound in my recordings |
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| 14:40.44 | abrotman | !releases |
| 14:40.44 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 14:40.47 | abrotman | !release history |
| 14:40.47 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 14:40.57 | abrotman | geo-rge: ^^ |
| 14:41.10 | pingwin|work | why the movie toy story? |
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| 14:41.52 | Coweater | why not? |
| 14:42.00 | d0uglas | is there an echo-like command to delete the first line of a file? |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | tail perhaps ? |
| 14:43.00 | d0uglas | when you say perhaps i'm thinking you aren't guessing, but you know for a fact it's tail, and i'm also an idiot |
| 14:43.08 | d0uglas | given the history |
| 14:43.28 | d0uglas | i'll go man tail now thanks :) |
| 14:43.37 | pingwin|work | tail -n `wc -l filename`-1 ? |
| 14:43.42 | pingwin|work | something like that |
| 14:44.10 | d0uglas | excellent thanks |
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| 14:45.07 | pingwin|work | VAR=`wc -l file`; VAR=$VAR-1; tail -n $VAR file |
| 14:45.15 | pingwin|work | that _should_ work the way you want |
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| 14:47.04 | amphi | d0uglas: tail -n+2 file |
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| 14:48.18 | FalscherHase | hi. i'd like to create a minimal rescue system in an initial ramdisk. can you point me to documentation? |
| 14:50.09 | SmallR2004 | i believe there are a few knocking around |
| 14:50.36 | roby | Trewas: thanks for exiftran |
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| 14:51.49 | Nibbier | FalscherHase, normaly you would use busybox and mybe dropbear (sshd) for that |
| 14:52.41 | Flimzy | What's the best tool to mirror all of i386, all, and sources? Is that considered a 'partial' mirror since it's only one arch? |
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| 14:54.47 | Rprp | Well, i just updated my Server Kernel, but its not starting now, how can i fix it? :E |
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| 14:55.22 | FalscherHase | Nibbier: yes, but I guess i have to put together the root filesystem, init scripts and the like and i don't know how to do that |
| 14:56.06 | Nibbier | FalscherHase, its all described in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/initrd.txt |
| 14:56.51 | FalscherHase | Nibbier: great, thanks! |
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| 15:00.37 | Rprp | Well, i just updated my Server Kernel, but its not starting now, how can i fix it? :E |
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| 15:05.27 | rgsteele | Hey guys...for some reason my swap partition wasn't mounting...so I figured it was just corrupted somehow. So, I dd'ed it with /dev/zero, did a mkswap on the device, chmod'ed it to 0600, and tried remounting it...but I still get the same error: mount: unknown filesystem type 'swap' |
| 15:05.46 | rgsteele | It can't be that the kernel has no swap support |
| 15:05.49 | rgsteele | ...can it? |
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| 15:06.59 | petemc | rgsteele: is the parition type set to swap? |
| 15:07.09 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 15:07.18 | rgsteele | Yes, here's the fstab entry: /dev/hda5 /swap swap swap 0 0 |
| 15:07.29 | petemc | rgsteele: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 15:07.44 | petemc | dont paste here, obv |
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| 15:07.58 | rbonnin | Do you know any OSS smtp gateway? |
| 15:08.07 | rgsteele | Right, here's the relevant entry petemc: /dev/hda5 27 89 506016 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 15:08.08 | petemc | exim |
| 15:08.24 | petemc | rgsteele: hmm, that looks right. what does dmesg say? |
| 15:09.24 | abrotman | rbonnin: are you serious ? |
| 15:09.37 | rgsteele | It looks fine in there... are you even supposed to be able to mount /swap? |
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| 15:09.52 | petemc | rgsteele: no |
| 15:09.56 | petemc | swapon |
| 15:10.02 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:10.14 | rbonnin | abrotman, yes, Why? |
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| 15:11.17 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.19 | rgsteele | petemc: That's the ticket. I was actually wondering because I need to change the size of my swap partition... I was going to use parted, but since the box is just a testing box and the configuration is all handled by FAI, i'm probably just going to reinstall the box. |
| 15:11.57 | petemc | rgsteele: you can use swap files now with little or no performance loss |
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| 15:14.24 | Rprp | Well, i just updated my Server Kernel, but its not starting now, how can i fix it? :E |
| 15:14.43 | petemc | too many variables |
| 15:14.47 | pingwin|work | yep |
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| 15:15.07 | pingwin|work | this is where you gotta grow your own and figure it out Rprp |
| 15:15.56 | Rprp | :/ |
| 15:16.08 | pingwin|work | well what's the error? |
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| 15:16.19 | pingwin|work | if it's simple I might know it |
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| 15:16.59 | Rprp | Dunno, its a server and its not by my home |
| 15:17.02 | Rprp | Cant login |
| 15:17.02 | Rprp | :P |
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| 15:17.44 | pingwin|work | then you have to go there Rprp |
| 15:17.55 | pingwin|work | or hire someone, like the datacenter |
| 15:18.03 | pingwin|work | I'm sure there is someone there that can help you |
| 15:18.08 | Rprp | hm ok |
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| 15:20.02 | _ericb | hi all |
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| 15:20.15 | olspookishmagus | Q: how can I add ac3/xvid/divx codec support to my system? |
| 15:20.33 | _ericb | anyone knows what ressource manager this guy is using on the right of the screenshot ?? http://www.gentoo.org/images/shots/desktop-rehcmx.jpg |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | rbonnin: you merely want it to forward mail elsewhere ? |
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| 15:21.07 | petemc | _ericb: looks like gdesklets |
| 15:21.37 | abrotman | on KDE ? |
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| 15:21.42 | petemc | why not? |
| 15:21.43 | kombi | in a standard debian installation, how do make a route permanent? |
| 15:21.52 | kombi | *you |
| 15:21.57 | petemc | kombi: the default route, or another? |
| 15:22.03 | stew | kombi: add an "up" line to /etc/network/interfaces to the relevant interface |
| 15:22.26 | kombi | that should do it, thanks! |
| 15:23.07 | kombi | this isp forgot to do it in his debian image.. |
| 15:23.29 | petemc | abrotman: perhaps super karamba, then |
| 15:23.54 | olspookishmagus | Q: I found what seems to be the codecs for divx in the official website, but what about xvid/ac3? |
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| 15:24.18 | apz | how can i unpack .rpm files ? |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | man rpm |
| 15:24.26 | Rprp | with alien. |
| 15:24.36 | apz | and what's the command Rprp ? |
| 15:24.56 | Rprp | OH, my fauklt, you can change the format with alien :/ |
| 15:25.01 | abrotman | apz: man rpm .. read it |
| 15:25.01 | Rprp | Sorry |
| 15:25.02 | stew | apz: uhh, he just said. "alien" however why not use "rpm"? |
| 15:26.07 | stew | or there is rpm2cpio |
| 15:26.35 | apz | i want the command, what is so hard ? |
| 15:27.08 | apz | i know that i need alien installed and so on but i want only the command.. |
| 15:27.13 | zamaliphe | i cant find the man pages pkg for the opngl dev and glut and glu ? |
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| 15:27.41 | stew | apz: what are you trying to install? are you sure that installing from an rpm is the only way? usually there is a better way |
| 15:28.14 | petemc | apz: would it ever occur to you to read some documentation yourself? |
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| 15:28.49 | apz | if i have alien installed the command is alien -i package.rpm |
| 15:28.54 | apz | but without alien ? |
| 15:29.01 | stew | apz: what are you trying to install? |
| 15:29.31 | stew | apz: you are asking for another command besides alien to do what alien -i does? |
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| 15:30.44 | abrotman | apz: which version of debian is this? |
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| 15:34.21 | abrotman | it's not even sunday! |
| 15:34.26 | zamaliphe | what is the doc pkg for the opngl-dev and glut-dev ?in debian |
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| 15:35.51 | stew | zamaliphe: apt-cache search opengl doc |
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| 15:37.46 | h3sp4wn | naitram: tftpd-hpa is easy to use (and doesn't need to run from inetd can run standalone) I don't know of any kernel based tftp servers |
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| 15:38.50 | whadar | !conflicts |
| 15:39.00 | whadar | !conflict |
| 15:39.28 | naitram | h3sp4wn: oh, i see, do you know where inetd will log errors to? |
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| 15:40.46 | h3sp4wn | naitram: I don't use inetd (and haven't for a few years) but I would think /var/log/messages |
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| 15:42.08 | quhan | hi, i met this error when i complier kernel: http://pastebin.ca/276631 |
| 15:42.17 | naitram | h3sp4wn: ok ill check out the one you mentioned above, thanks |
| 15:42.20 | quhan | what should i do? |
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| 15:44.16 | kostaspat | anyone speaking greek here? |
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| 15:54.46 | olspookishmagus | Q: What about xvid/ac3 codecs? |
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| 15:55.56 | zamaliphe | stew: i have find and install meny pkg but i cant find any help for opengl or glut functions ? |
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| 15:56.21 | pingouin | why does an ./configure answer me : configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables ? wich paquet i missed to apt-get ? |
| 15:56.49 | stew | zamaliphe: did you install glut-doc? |
| 15:56.56 | zamaliphe | stew: yes |
| 15:57.33 | stew | !b-e pingouin |
| 15:57.33 | dpkg | pingouin: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 15:58.38 | wallace | x𒍅) |
| 15:58.55 | tarzeau | abrotman: what do you get when you open this in a browser? http://info.dominos.com/dominos_pizza/contact.nsf/IntlLocatorResults?OpenAgent&country=Switzerland&city=Zurich |
| 15:59.05 | zamaliphe | stew: "apt-get install glut-doc" "glut-doc is already the newest version." |
| 15:59.07 | abrotman | 500 |
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| 15:59.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have some memory here |
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| 15:59.24 | pingouin | hmm ok |
| 15:59.43 | stew | hah, /me files a bug against glut-doc, its empty |
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| 16:00.14 | stew | zamaliphe: you might look for an older version of glut-doc, one that actually conatins some files |
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| 16:00.19 | Sashi | should i get etch? |
| 16:00.30 | tarzeau | when comes lenny? |
| 16:00.57 | Sashi | or is sarge stable(r) |
| 16:01.06 | tarzeau | Sashi: stable just means old |
| 16:01.15 | Sashi | etch is fine? |
| 16:01.16 | zamaliphe | stew: i use etch |
| 16:01.24 | stew | !dbugs 315982 |
| 16:01.28 | dpkg | #315982:I[glut-doc] glut-doc: missing documentation: all documentation; Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:03:04 UTC |
| 16:01.35 | tarzeau | Sashi: etch is newer than stable |
| 16:01.45 | Supaplex | Sashi: yea, zamaliphe and tarzeau will personally assist you with all your etch issues. |
| 16:01.58 | tarzeau | Supaplex: i don't help people with testing |
| 16:01.59 | stew | zamaliphe: possibly getting the source for glut-doc would provide the docs, its probably just a packaging error |
| 16:02.04 | tarzeau | Supaplex: only sid(+experimental) |
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| 16:02.57 | Supaplex | Sashi: I'm teasing about the support. If you want testing or unstable, you generally know how to support yourself. If you need help, stick with stable until you get the hang of things. |
| 16:03.13 | Sashi | i used debian a while back |
| 16:03.22 | rgsteele | Sashi: Etch is set to release soon, so you might want to give it some consideration. |
| 16:03.32 | Supaplex | !rsn |
| 16:03.32 | dpkg | well, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 16:03.44 | Sashi | soon? |
| 16:03.46 | Sashi | !wir |
| 16:03.46 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 16:03.52 | Sashi | !siyh |
| 16:03.52 | dpkg | it has been said that siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 16:04.02 | Sashi | yea how soon? |
| 16:04.10 | rgsteele | Soon is a tentative term... there is no concrete date. |
| 16:04.11 | stew | Sashi: wir. when the rc bug count hits zero |
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| 16:04.28 | zamaliphe | stew: ok thanks |
| 16:04.46 | Supaplex | right JoshH? |
| 16:04.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: rc ones? |
| 16:04.57 | stew | Sashi: what is the machine going to be used for? |
| 16:05.01 | rgsteele | !shoo abrotman |
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| 16:05.05 | Sashi | server/desktop |
| 16:05.08 | Sashi | mostly server |
| 16:05.11 | rgsteele | Aw, there''s no 'shoo'? |
| 16:05.18 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 16:05.19 | tarzeau | http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 16:05.37 | rgsteele | abrotman: Can you please make a shoo for me? :-D |
| 16:05.50 | Supaplex | rgsteele: what do you expect it to do? |
| 16:05.51 | Sashi | jan 9 pretty far away :P |
| 16:06.08 | zamaliphe | stew: sorry but how to compill the pkg using apt-src ? |
| 16:06.26 | rgsteele | Supaplex: Shoo people away, of course, and deter them from continuing whatever it is that they're doing. ;) |
| 16:06.46 | bintut | i am creating a cheatsheet for "rpm == dpkg" and i'm not sure enough about the dpkg.. i hope someone from this channel can help me.. |
| 16:07.05 | Supaplex | rgsteele: there's !lart, !smite and a whole gammot of others for that. |
| 16:07.11 | bintut | what is the command in dpkg to list all installed packages from a given group? |
| 16:07.23 | Supaplex | group? |
| 16:07.31 | rgsteele | bintut: dpkg --list | grep ii |
| 16:07.36 | rgsteele | bintut: That'll give you all installed packages |
| 16:07.40 | stew | zamaliphe: actually manpages don't exist it seems, read that bug |
| 16:07.41 | bintut | in rpm it's "rpm -qg Development/Languages" |
| 16:07.45 | stew | zamaliphe: /msg dpkg source |
| 16:07.54 | rgsteele | substitute ii for rc or whatever category you're looking for |
| 16:07.58 | bintut | rgsteele: i'll check that one.. |
| 16:08.24 | bintut | rgsteele: not that one |
| 16:08.40 | rgsteele | bintut: I think you probably want aptitude then |
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| 16:09.23 | bintut | rgsteele: not yet. i can't compare rpm to apt-* or aptitude.. |
| 16:09.36 | stew | bintut: something like 'aptitude search "~i~sdevel"' but you should read the aptitude docs in /usr/share/doc/apatitude |
| 16:10.23 | pingwin|work | how do I upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 16:10.30 | stew | pingwin|work: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 16:10.41 | bintut | i am trying to compare the equivalent commands in rpm to dpkg and vice versa |
| 16:11.52 | bintut | but i can't compare rpm to apt-* or aptitude simply because it seems that i'm comparing already a .38 revolver to a machine gun |
| 16:12.07 | rgsteele | bintut: Yup :) The package management tools for Debian are much better than rpm |
| 16:12.33 | rgsteele | bintut: I'd start by asking Google, and then if you get confused, ask in here. |
| 16:13.04 | bintut | rgsteele: that's it. i'm confused what's the equivalent command in dpkg to list all installed packages from a given group? |
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| 16:13.33 | rgsteele | bintut: You should listen to stew. The answer is in /usr/share/doc/aptitude |
| 16:14.04 | stew | bintut: or you have to learn grep-dctrl / grep-status |
| 16:14.15 | h3sp4wn | bintut: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Section;-10} ${Package}\n' | grep (whatever section) |
| 16:14.39 | bintut | rgsteele: yeah. but again, aptitude is a machine gun in this case.. as much as possible, i'd just stick with the command rpm and dpkg only |
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| 16:15.07 | stew | bintut: then the answer is "there is no dpkg command to do what you are wanting to do" |
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| 16:15.28 | bintut | stew: thanks for confirming.. |
| 16:15.45 | bintut | it's ok.. i am just creating my own cheatsheet |
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| 16:16.31 | rgsteele | bintut: If you just want to know how to do whatever you used in the RPM in Debian, why does it matter what form of apt/dpkg you use? |
| 16:16.53 | bintut | another question: what is the dpkg command to list packages that a package depends? in rpm, it's "rpm -qR package_name" |
| 16:17.50 | stew | bintut: apt-cache depends packagename |
| 16:17.52 | helo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.56 | rgsteele | apt-cache show packagename |
| 16:17.57 | cydork | bintut: you have to understand that dpkg and rpm are not same.. |
| 16:18.15 | helo_ | without ivman running though, hal notices repeats |
| 16:18.19 | helo_ | http://pastebin.ca/276045 |
| 16:18.25 | bintut | cydork: yeah, i know.. but they're on the same level.. |
| 16:18.25 | stew | oh that is interesting |
| 16:18.32 | rgsteele | bintut: Or, more to the point, what stew said :) |
| 16:18.32 | stew | helo_: are there other copies of ivman running? |
| 16:18.37 | helo_ | no |
| 16:19.04 | comfrey | my .xsession has xmodmap commands to map cpas lock to ctrl lock |
| 16:19.07 | jair | hello guys, if I want to export a file system, using debian sarge as NFS server. What will be the most trustful parameters, I trust completely to the other system because is myself, and I want have access as root and all kind of rwx permitions.? |
| 16:19.15 | comfrey | when i use gdm it is not executed... |
| 16:19.17 | h3sp4wn | bintut: run ldd /usr/bin/dpkg and ldd /usr/bin/rpm (rpm has alot more cruft in it) |
| 16:19.21 | comfrey | any idea why? |
| 16:19.37 | bintut | don't get me wrong on this.. i just want to create my own cheatsheet in preparation for my exam.. |
| 16:19.51 | stew | comfrey: you have to select "default session" or something from the gdm list of available sessions |
| 16:19.53 | naitram | what lists all the currently running programs |
| 16:19.55 | rgsteele | jair: an example would be /home/foo 192.168.101.0/24(async,rw,no_root_squash) |
| 16:20.06 | rgsteele | jair: In your /etc/exports file |
| 16:20.10 | comfrey | stew: ok, i see... i will try that now |
| 16:20.25 | stew | helo_: so the output of "lshal --monitor" changes with whether or not ivman is running? |
| 16:20.27 | bintut | h3sp4wn: i know.. but rpm and dpkg are on the same level, imho.. if you want to compare apt, then compare it with yum, urpm* or smart |
| 16:21.02 | jair | rgsteele: well I have that check this:/nfs-debian 192.168.123.186(rw,sync,no_root_squash,insecure) |
| 16:21.07 | helo_ | stew: if ivman has mounted/unmounted a usb drive, yeah lshal ... doesn't notice any new devices |
| 16:21.29 | helo_ | i have to /etc/init.d/dbus restart to get it back |
| 16:21.35 | jair | rgsteele: and I am getting an error of: The file access permissions do not allow the specified action. |
| 16:21.44 | helo_ | but then once again, only for one mount |
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| 16:21.57 | rgsteele | jair: When you try to mount the exported filesystem on the remote end? |
| 16:22.02 | h3sp4wn | bintut: I wouldn't say that - rpm can be used just by itself if you want - dpkg technically could but it is expected people would use apt |
| 16:22.05 | jair | yes |
| 16:22.40 | rgsteele | jair: pastebin the error |
| 16:22.40 | jair | rgsteele: yes and the remote end (client) is a AIX unix system |
| 16:22.41 | jair | rgsteele: yes sir |
| 16:23.14 | jair | rgsteele: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ty8Hb545.html |
| 16:23.16 | comfrey | stew: looks good thanks |
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| 16:24.02 | rgsteele | jair: Are you sure you aren't hitting firewall issues? |
| 16:24.15 | stew | helo_: the volume is *definately* getting umounted when you unplug, right? |
| 16:24.27 | helo_ | yep, df and mount say so |
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| 16:24.38 | stew | hrm |
| 16:24.41 | rgsteele | jair: Also, check your /etc/fstab on the Debian box |
| 16:24.48 | helo_ | and when i unplug it, lshal says "volume_uuid_4575_2C24 property volume.is_mounted = false |
| 16:24.56 | rgsteele | jair: See what the permissions are on the filesystem you're trying to export |
| 16:24.57 | jair | rgsteele: http://rafb.net/paste/results/o7b3SM61.html |
| 16:25.07 | helo_ | but then i plug it right back in, and nothing |
| 16:25.27 | jair | rgsteele: what /etc/fstab have to do with this, if is a soft mount. |
| 16:25.36 | jair | all right |
| 16:25.39 | jair | rgsteele: |
| 16:25.41 | helo_ | lshal doesn't say the usual "usb_device_8ec_8_0BE1F760833228E3_if0 removed" stuff though, just that single "is_mounted = false" line |
| 16:25.48 | jair | rgsteele: all right I will check right now |
| 16:26.34 | stew | helo_: after you have plugged it back in and it HASN'T reported anything via hal, can you give me the full output of "lshal" or "hal-device" into a pastebin? |
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| 16:26.50 | lisa__ | hi@all |
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| 16:27.17 | lisa__ | is it normal, that vlc crashes when i try to add some tracks to the playlist? |
| 16:27.36 | lisa__ | (stable) |
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| 16:27.56 | helo_ | stew: sure |
| 16:28.00 | sanmarcos | what does a w-9 mean in regards to how much taxes they take? |
| 16:28.04 | stew | helo_: thanks |
| 16:28.11 | blondie | lisa__: vlc isn't in stable |
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| 16:28.58 | stew | !info vlc stable |
| 16:29.06 | lisa__ | blondie, sure, i've got it from my normal sources |
| 16:29.06 | dpkg | vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.1.svn20050314-1sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 5110 kB, Installed size: 12964 kB |
| 16:29.18 | stew | !lose blondie |
| 16:29.18 | dpkg | blondie: You Lose. |
| 16:29.23 | lisa__ | lol |
| 16:29.25 | blondie | ah well |
| 16:29.30 | blondie | pdo fails then |
| 16:29.42 | stew | blondie: not for me |
| 16:30.09 | bintut | anyway, i have to go now.. i'm sleepy already.. thank you to all who responded and tried to help me. :) |
| 16:30.13 | helo_ | stew: http://pastebin.ca/276676 |
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| 16:30.35 | rgsteele | jair: It sounds to me like you're not exporting the filesystem to all boxes: You have this: /nfs-debian 192.168.123.186(rw,sync,no_root_squash,insecure) and what you probably want is this: /nfs-debian 192.168.123.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash,insecure) |
| 16:30.48 | rgsteele | Anyways, I'm off to lunch. |
| 16:31.05 | jair | rgsteele: all right thanks |
| 16:31.12 | jair | rgsteele: i will continue working on it |
| 16:31.25 | helo_ | stew: then if i remove the device, the hal-device output is identical to what you see there |
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| 16:31.55 | stew | helo_: and the device is shown there, right? |
| 16:32.18 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.35 | helo_ | stew: yeah, that should be it |
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| 16:33.01 | st_iron | hi |
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| 16:33.30 | helo_ | looks like hal isn't really noticing that the device is being removed... but ivman knows well enough to unmount it... |
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| 16:33.55 | stew | helo_: well ivman doesn't do anything hal doesn't tell it about |
| 16:34.52 | stew | helo_: can you show me the output of ivman --nofork --debug when you remove the device? |
| 16:35.03 | stew | actually ivman never unmounts, does it |
| 16:35.32 | cydork | !maint ivman |
| 16:35.38 | dpkg | ivman: Mike O'Connor <stew@vireo.org> |
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| 16:36.00 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 16:36.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 16:36.06 | stew | wow that dude has the same name as I |
| 16:36.13 | pingwin|work | i was just doing an "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it failed with openssh-server and client. |
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| 16:36.27 | stew | pingwin|work: show us the acutal output |
| 16:36.33 | stew | (use a pastebin) |
| 16:36.36 | pingwin|work | k |
| 16:36.39 | overpointe | Does liblivemedia-dev only exist for debian? I've been doing some searches for it, and I can't seem to find just plain sources of it. I'm running Fedora, but I'll switch to debian if I have to. |
| 16:36.43 | helo_ | when i disconnect the usb device normally (without ivman automounting/unmounting), i get about 4 lines (corresponding to the 4 i get when connecting it)... but when i disconnect it with ivman running, i only get one line of output, just saying that is_mounted = false... |
| 16:36.45 | philipp | nabend |
| 16:37.03 | stew | helo_: ahhh ok |
| 16:37.05 | limpio | hi all, i want to eliminate the grub menu at the start of the session, what do i have to uninstall? |
| 16:37.20 | stew | helo_: so hal isn't notifying ivman of the disconnect, just that the volume was unmounted |
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| 16:38.22 | eggleston | someone PLEASE help, i've got items in my recently viewed documents that simnply just will not clear. i don't know why, and the new ones aren't appearing, suffice to say others use my computer and the discovery of these items would be frowned upon |
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| 16:39.07 | saintiss | hi all |
| 16:39.27 | saintiss | I've got this digital camera (kodak c330), and an app like digikam will show the pictures from its internal memory, but ignore the SD card |
| 16:39.29 | saintiss | any ideas? |
| 16:39.43 | eggleston | seriously people, help me with this one please, is there any way i can fix it? |
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| 16:40.20 | avtobiff | eggleston, recently used? |
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| 16:40.40 | eggleston | avtobiff, in the gnome actions menu |
| 16:40.49 | avtobiff | eggleston, actions? places? |
| 16:41.00 | helo_ | stew: ivman doesn't mention anything about it being even unmounted... when i unplug it, ivman just repeats the last 6 lines of its output (you can see them repeated here: http://pastebin.ca/276045) |
| 16:41.21 | eggleston | avtobiff, sorry? the 'actions' menu on the gnome bar, it has one called recent documents |
| 16:41.27 | rgsteele | eggleston: Brushed up your resume lately? :-D |
| 16:41.36 | avtobiff | ok |
| 16:41.38 | eggleston | rgsteele, totally |
| 16:41.51 | avtobiff | eggleston, mine has a "clear recent documents" |
| 16:41.54 | helo_ | it acts like /dev/sdg1 is still a connected device that might need to be mounted |
| 16:42.05 | eggleston | avtobiff, so does mine, it does nothing all of a sudden, it used to work |
| 16:42.08 | rgsteele | Oops, I'm suppose to be going to lunch... anyways, I'm really leaving now, but eggleston it probably depends on what desktop environment you're using |
| 16:42.18 | eggleston | rgsteele|away, Gnome |
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| 16:44.50 | whadar | this is a big question... can i build one big nfsroot image for my clients with all debian packages including the conflicts? |
| 16:44.51 | avtobiff | eggleston, there should be a file ~/.recently-used |
| 16:45.01 | avtobiff | eggleston, edit that one. |
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| 16:45.36 | avtobiff | eggleston, and perhaps you want to either buy your own computer or learn to search and find stuff in files with gnu tools |
| 16:45.43 | whadar | i want all the clients to use just one image |
| 16:45.47 | avtobiff | or stop watching kiddie pron |
| 16:46.02 | avtobiff | or use nonfree software maybe :-) |
| 16:46.09 | avtobiff | stop using that is |
| 16:46.35 | eggleston | avtobiff, there does not seem to be any entries into this file |
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| 16:46.59 | eggleston | avtobiff, i mean there's words and that, but nothing that appears to be an entry |
| 16:47.02 | eggleston | i'll restard GDM |
| 16:47.03 | eggleston | brb |
| 16:47.07 | avtobiff | eggleston, then i dont know. tried restarting gnome and see if it has to reload etc? |
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| 16:47.29 | avtobiff | it seems to be some sort of xml-file |
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| 16:48.38 | helo_ | stew: it looks like when i plug in a usb drive, there are six (6!) new entries at the top of hal-device |
| 16:48.44 | pingwin|work | okay my apt-get dist-upgrade problem is stoping on openssh |
| 16:48.47 | pingwin|work | http://pastebin.ca/276690 |
| 16:48.49 | stew | helo_: sounds reasonable |
| 16:49.44 | stew | pingwin|work: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy ssh openssh-server" |
| 16:50.29 | stew | pingwin|work: you might also try running just "apt-get install ssh" and/or running "aptitude" and using the frontend to sort out the dependencies |
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| 16:51.03 | t2k2 | i cant seem to install libc6-xen on etch with `apt-get install libc6-xen` should i be able to ? |
| 16:51.19 | helo_ | stew: when i unplug, all 6 stay there |
| 16:51.19 | pingwin|work | stew results of policy http://pastebin.ca/276695 |
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| 16:51.45 | pingwin|work | and every try at apt-get install ssh stops also |
| 16:51.49 | Kobaz | t2k2: it would help if we knew the errors/warnings that you were getting |
| 16:51.51 | stew | helo_: i think you should file a bug against hal |
| 16:51.56 | helo_ | stew: can do |
| 16:52.09 | helo_ | to hal itself, or the debian package maintainer? |
| 16:52.18 | t2k2 | just said E: Couldn't find package libc6-xen |
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| 16:52.39 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:52.42 | stew | helo_: "reportbug hal" |
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| 16:53.11 | Kobaz | t2k2: did you apt-get update |
| 16:53.34 | Kobaz | actually, well, i just did a search... that package indeed does not exist |
| 16:53.49 | helo_ | stew: it is interesting that hal behaves as expected unless ivman is running too... hopefully i don't get the runaround "sounds like it isn't hal, it's ivman" and vice-versa |
| 16:54.36 | t2k2 | yea just found out its not there or needed in amd64 |
| 16:54.40 | stew | helo_: i'm the ivman maintainer, we'll get this worked out |
| 16:54.56 | roe_ | I'm going to go out on a limb and say that debian.lcs.mit.edu is alright and there is something wrong with my setup that won't let me do an apt-get update |
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| 16:55.20 | helo_ | stew: heh, ok :) |
| 16:55.31 | overpointe | I'm downloading some ISOs of debian now. Are all 14 disks required to do an install? |
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| 16:55.55 | roe_ | overpointe: no, you can just download the netinstall disk and use a single CD |
| 16:56.24 | roe_ | overpointe: assuming you have some sort of connection to the internet |
| 16:56.31 | t2k2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.40 | rahul | overpointe: none of them are required |
| 16:56.54 | overpointe | Thanks roe_. |
| 16:56.58 | rahul | you don't need a single CD to install debian |
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| 16:57.11 | stew | overpointe: if your machine can be networked with a stock debian kernel you only need one, or a netinst |
| 16:57.14 | roe_ | my apt-get update freezes at: 99% [7 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 16:57.26 | stew | pingwin|work: check the bts |
| 16:57.44 | pingwin|work | what is bts? |
| 16:57.48 | stew | !bts |
| 16:57.48 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:57.52 | stew | roe_: try a different mirror |
| 16:57.55 | pingwin|work | k, thanks |
| 16:57.58 | overpointe | The closest I have to debian around here, is knoppix, stew. |
| 16:58.00 | stew | pingwin|work: bugs.debian.org/ssh |
| 16:58.08 | pingwin|work | thanks stew |
| 16:58.15 | stew | overpointe: what network card do you have? |
| 16:58.25 | stew | overpointe: which driver does knoppix use for it? |
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| 16:59.19 | stew | overpointe: or what is the output of "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" in knoppix |
| 16:59.29 | overpointe | Oh I don't have knoppix running now, but I have a card that uses a tulip driver, I think, stew. |
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| 16:59.40 | PumpkinPie | iostat result: Blk/reads 5421.81 what does that mean? |
| 16:59.46 | stew | overpointe: if its tulip, then yes. you can just use a single cd, that will be fine with a debian stock kernel |
| 17:00.20 | overpointe | How much hd space do I need stew? I have 15 gigs on the drive. |
| 17:00.52 | stew | overpointe: you need a minimum of 500 megs or so |
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| 17:01.11 | DouchePirate | x𒍅) |
| 17:01.14 | roe_ | stew: so there is something wrong with the mirror? |
| 17:01.21 | overpointe | I mispoke stew, I have a card that uses a D-link driver. |
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| 17:01.51 | overpointe | I think the driver is RTL8139. |
| 17:01.52 | DouchePirate | -o perl -e 'print "\x9x\xF0\x92\x8D\x85\xF1\xA5\x90\xB4\xF1\x96\x9E\x85\xF1\xA6\x8D\xA5\xF1\xB8\xA5\x85\xF1\xA7\x95\xA8\x29\xF2\x95\x95\x82" |
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| 17:02.05 | DouchePirate | x????????????)?? |
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| 17:02.24 | DouchePirate | x𒍅) |
| 17:02.26 | DouchePirate | x𒍅) |
| 17:02.28 | DouchePirate | x𒍅) |
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| 17:02.31 | blondie | ffs |
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| 17:02.34 | blondie | DouchePirate: get out |
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| 17:02.57 | blondie | screen didn't like that |
| 17:03.00 | stew | overpointe: which driver? |
| 17:03.03 | thingfish | stupid cmsu student no doubt |
| 17:03.06 | blondie | argh |
| 17:03.34 | overpointe | I think the driver is RTL8139, stew. |
| 17:03.41 | tkup | I couldn't help on this elsewhere. syslog on this box is receiving messages but not writing them to disk. stracing syslog doesn't show any write. I have HUP'ed syslog in vain. any idea on what I should try next? |
| 17:03.44 | roe_ | now I know who to be nice to :) |
| 17:03.47 | stew | overpointe: if that is the case then you are fine |
| 17:03.59 | stew | roe_: it sounds like your mirror might have had a bad update, which happens |
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| 17:04.34 | CrippsFX | my Apache server points to the apache2-default directory in the server root directory. in order to get it to point to /var/www/html I would have to change the DocumentRoot variable, correct? |
| 17:04.34 | CrippsFX | thingfish, cmsu? |
| 17:04.34 | CrippsFX | hey thingfish, been awhile ;) |
| 17:04.52 | stew | overpointe: "lspci -n | grep 0200" would probably tell us for sure |
| 17:04.52 | thingfish | hey CrippsFX, how's it going? |
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| 17:05.01 | stew | overpointe: especially what is in the 3rd columne, something like 1022:8139 |
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| 17:05.14 | thingfish | CrippsFX: central missouri state university |
| 17:05.28 | thingfish | in warrensburg, missouri |
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| 17:06.04 | thingfish | I'm assuming that's where he/she is from |
| 17:06.04 | CrippsFX | ah. |
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| 17:06.23 | giacus | hello |
| 17:06.51 | overpointe | 1186:1300 stew. |
| 17:06.55 | CrippsFX | thingfish, ah, not too bad ... just busy with exams, and development, etc. ... and video games ;) |
| 17:07.01 | thingfish | hehe |
| 17:07.07 | SpeedyG | hey, I found out that port 720 is open on my router, but I dont know what that is, is there a way I can find out what it is/does and why it's open ? |
| 17:07.10 | overpointe | What does that mean, stew? |
| 17:07.32 | SpeedyG | and maybe even more important, how can I close it ? |
| 17:07.33 | stew | overpointe: yes, that is 8139too, you can use any debian cd1 / netinst to install |
| 17:08.06 | stew | overpointe: 1186 is the vendor id (realtek) 1130 is the deviceid |
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| 17:08.36 | giacus | attempting to load local .php page on a browser firefox ask for download the file. I have installed apache2, php4,libapache2-mod-php4, php4-pgsql, libapache2-mod-auth-pgsql. Any help ? |
| 17:08.47 | thingfish | CrippsFX: I don't get to do as much freenode as I used to, although I do manage to get a few minutes after work and on my days off. |
| 17:09.01 | overpointe | Now, I'm going to step into the world of debian and enjoy the full advantages of apt-get. |
| 17:09.13 | stew | SpeedyG: "/msg dpkg open ports" find out what is listening to that port, kill the process |
| 17:09.20 | stew | overpointe: /msg dpkg ig |
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| 17:10.09 | overpointe | Wow, debian is clever. |
| 17:10.16 | PumpkinPie | no its not |
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| 17:10.27 | CrippsFX | thingfish, yeah, I just took over a project to make a web app that plays radio in the main dining hall on campus ... the code looks pretty ugly, and it keeps kicking me back to the machine in the dining hall instead of my local web server ... despite the fact that I used sed to replace all instances of <hostname> with 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:10.30 | CrippsFX | :/ |
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| 17:10.45 | thingfish | fun |
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| 17:11.10 | CrippsFX | you're telling me ... and it's all done in perl ... save for the 2 line C file that runs suid ;) |
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| 17:12.22 | SpeedyG | stew: thanks :) appears it was nfs-common |
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| 17:13.34 | roe_ | is there a relationship between testing and volitile, like do things hit testing before volitile or not necessarily |
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| 17:14.12 | rahul | "volitile"? |
| 17:14.39 | petemc | rahul: volatile is for updates to things like clamav and spamassassin |
| 17:14.42 | CrippsFX | rahul, probably sid |
| 17:14.42 | petemc | erm, roe_ |
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| 17:14.56 | stew | roe_: there is no relationship between testing and volatile |
| 17:15.02 | CrippsFX | oh. I stand corrected :) |
| 17:15.07 | rahul | petemc: ah, makes sense |
| 17:15.18 | petemc | does, quite useful |
| 17:15.20 | cydork | !volatile |
| 17:15.21 | dpkg | i guess volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 17:15.24 | CharminTheMoose | good evenin all |
| 17:15.32 | cydork | ahh i am late :P |
| 17:15.35 | J_P | ApT debianwrt ? |
| 17:15.40 | roe_ | ok thanx |
| 17:15.46 | J_P | dpkg: debianwrt ? |
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| 17:16.24 | CharminTheMoose | !debianwrt |
| 17:16.43 | J_P | CharminTheMoose: dpkg don't know.. :-( |
| 17:17.35 | J_P | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWRT |
| 17:17.48 | cydork | !debianwrt |
| 17:17.48 | dpkg | debianwrt is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWRT |
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| 17:19.49 | jelly | "OpenWRT is a fine replacement firmware for these devices, but it's not Debian, and for some of us that's reason enough to put Debian on these machines." wtf |
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| 17:20.33 | h3sp4wn | Having tried debian on a wgt634u - I think it is a complete waste of time (for actual use) |
| 17:20.33 | jelly | I thought access points are supposed to be install-and-forget, who cares what OS is there as long as it works |
| 17:21.00 | cahoot_ | jelly, the purist |
| 17:21.46 | J_P | jelly where you find taht sentence ? |
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| 17:21.48 | J_P | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.03 | jelly | J_P: on the wiki link |
| 17:22.08 | J_P | ahh ok |
| 17:22.41 | J_P | Well, I would like know if I install debian in one AP, that debian install for mips in ap have python language ? |
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| 17:22.52 | J_P | python interpreter in debinwrt |
| 17:22.54 | whadar | does two conflicting packages can have the same priority or there is always a preferred package? |
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| 17:27.02 | whadar | or in other words, does debian has a "favourite package"? |
| 17:27.02 | syntaxis | whadar: they can have the same priority |
| 17:27.03 | jelly | whadar: hmm, there's a lot of eg. mail-transfer-agent providers, but only one is standard. Others are all optional |
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| 17:27.43 | whadar | so can i always have debian to make the decision for me |
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| 17:28.53 | whadar | i mean can debian choose one conflict automatically? |
| 17:29.19 | rahul | whadar: there is a perferred one, yes |
| 17:29.21 | whadar | s/conflict/package |
| 17:29.24 | psycodad | is there difference between dd if=/dev/sda | nc 1.2.3.4 5555 <--> nc -l 5555 > disk.img AND dd if=/dev/sda | nc 1.2.3.4 5555 <--> nc -l 5555 | dd of=disk.img ? |
| 17:29.26 | perlmonk | no xorg in sarge ? |
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| 17:29.45 | rahul | whadar: often the dep is like this: exim | mail-transfer-agent, so it prefers exim |
| 17:29.53 | psycodad | i mean do i need to pipe it through dd on the remote again ? |
| 17:30.18 | jelly | psycodad: no need for that |
| 17:31.00 | psycodad | jelly: so basically those command are identical ? I only seem to find the latter in examples on the web while the first seems more intuitive to me |
| 17:31.22 | whadar | rahul: is there any way to list all packages except those less preferred conflict packages? |
| 17:31.45 | rahul | whadar: hmm? "less preferred conflict"? I don't understand |
| 17:31.46 | jelly | psycodad: if would be a different thing if you wanted to output directly to some block device (and not a file) |
| 17:32.20 | jelly | whadar: not a simple one |
| 17:32.30 | psycodad | jelly: no, im just playing with imaging over network, that is clear. My question is only regarding writing into files. |
| 17:32.54 | whadar | rahul: you said there's always one preferred package... i want to exclude the conflicting packages of the preferred |
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| 17:33.18 | rahul | whadar: why? it'll do what makes sense based on what you've already done |
| 17:33.22 | jelly | psycodad: frankly I don't see why another layer of buffering would be useful either |
| 17:33.29 | rahul | whadar: if you install postfix, you wnat to force exim instead? |
| 17:33.39 | whadar | no no |
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| 17:34.04 | whadar | i just want a full debian install, so i want to put those conflicting package aside |
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| 17:34.09 | psycodad | jelly: thx very much for the clarification, ill go back at dumping randomly disk images over the network to see what works how ;-) |
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| 17:34.43 | centrx | whadar what do you mean a "full install" |
| 17:34.45 | rahul | whadar: that's stupid |
| 17:34.48 | centrx | whadar why would you want that |
| 17:34.52 | rahul | whadar: it's impossible to have a full install |
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| 17:35.27 | whadar | full install = all debian packages except those problematic conflicts |
| 17:35.35 | wondr | any windowmaker users in here? ive been away from it for a couple years and was wondering what the current recommended gui login manager is. login.app? thanks! |
| 17:35.36 | rahul | whadar: which is impossible |
| 17:35.39 | zrin | I'd like to (try to) find out the type of the mainboard for a remote debian machine - is it possible to read out the bios version? |
| 17:35.41 | whadar | why? |
| 17:35.43 | rahul | whadar: you won't have enough disk space |
| 17:35.47 | rahul | whadar: or time |
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| 17:35.56 | whadar | i have hunderds of gigs |
| 17:36.00 | rahul | so? |
| 17:36.03 | jelly | whadar: seriously, why would you want to do that? |
| 17:36.06 | rgsteele|away | whadar: I believe you'll be caught in a catch 22, anyways. The installer won't know which of the conflicting packages you want. |
| 17:36.14 | rahul | whadar: you'll get all kinds of security holes |
| 17:36.20 | phated | whadar: You need terabytes, I believe, not hundreds of gigs. |
| 17:36.29 | rahul | whadar: don't even try. |
| 17:36.36 | whadar | lol |
| 17:36.56 | rahul | whadar: do you really want to install every server on your box? |
| 17:36.56 | whadar | you really don't want me to do it... |
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| 17:37.12 | rahul | whadar: yes, because I don't want you being host for another DDoS |
| 17:37.13 | whadar | rahul: i will disable it afterwards |
| 17:37.17 | rahul | whadar: no you won't |
| 17:37.22 | rahul | whadar: you won't know what's there. |
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| 17:37.35 | rahul | whadar: it'll take you months to get through all 10,000 packages |
| 17:37.54 | centrx | 16,000 |
| 17:38.00 | jelly | whadar: also, there are some packages that conflict but don't provide a common virtual package. It would be a non-trivial task to build a dependency tree to install a maximal possible subset of Debian. ;-) |
| 17:38.03 | rahul | centrx: dmn |
| 17:38.16 | whadar | jelly: i want to serve single image to my nfsroot clients |
| 17:38.19 | gcbirzan | Hm, weren't there more like 20k packages? |
| 17:38.20 | rahul | jelly: and then a non-trivial task to actually install them :) |
| 17:38.22 | rahul | whadar: so? |
| 17:38.26 | centrx | gcbirzan not in the stable release |
| 17:38.33 | gcbirzan | Ah. |
| 17:38.38 | jelly | whadar: so define requirements first. |
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| 17:38.46 | zrin | is it possible to read out the bios version of a remote debian machine? |
| 17:39.01 | rahul | "bios version"? |
| 17:39.05 | jelly | zrin: dmidecode, lshw |
| 17:39.18 | zrin | rahul: yes, bios identification string |
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| 17:39.25 | whadar | jelly: the requirement are to have no new packages into the image after the initial build |
| 17:39.26 | Manny | Hey guys, I need some desperate help. I'm running 'testing' with a 2.2 kernel and tried to install apache. However I got the "e2fsprogs needs to be removed first" and had to do a Force-LoopBreak. |
| 17:39.30 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.30 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.45 | rahul | would that be mine? |
| 17:39.48 | thelostbutler | Manny: 2.2 kernel ? |
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| 17:40.00 | whadar | i think it is about 100 gigs |
| 17:40.00 | stew | Manny: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 17:40.13 | whadar | from my check... maybe im wrong |
| 17:40.20 | rahul | whadar: whoever made that requirement is a fool |
| 17:40.23 | stew | whadar: its less. but its a bad idea |
| 17:40.31 | rahul | whadar: you need to install all possible software from the start? |
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| 17:40.33 | Manny | I did the loopbreak, but glibC says that it cant install because of kernel 2.2 so I cant get e2fs back. |
| 17:40.35 | zrin | jelly: thank you! |
| 17:40.44 | whadar | rahul: yes |
| 17:40.46 | stew | Manny: don't do the loopbreak, you have to upgrade to stable first |
| 17:40.54 | rahul | whadar: what if someone writes a new package? |
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| 17:40.58 | whadar | rahul: thanks for all the names btw |
| 17:41.00 | rahul | whadar: what if a package isn't in debian? |
| 17:41.04 | jelly | rahul: Stealer of BIOSes! version: 6.00 PG (06/13/2005) |
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| 17:41.14 | rahul | "all"? |
| 17:41.19 | rahul | jelly: MINE!@ |
| 17:41.28 | jelly | zrin: np |
| 17:41.33 | rahul | whadar: you're really into this "all" thing, aren't you? |
| 17:41.34 | whadar | rahul: i want only debian packages |
| 17:41.45 | Manny | stew: I already did the loopbreak :-( and now need to force e2fs to reinstall. |
| 17:42.07 | stew | Manny: you have to upgrade to stable first |
| 17:42.10 | whadar | look i have huge amount of storage and no problem with bandwidth... |
| 17:42.22 | rahul | whadar: it's a TIME issue |
| 17:42.23 | whadar | and im willing to disable those daemons |
| 17:42.26 | jelly | whadar: find out what the users want/need, and install that. |
| 17:42.32 | rahul | whadar: you have infinite time to do all this? |
| 17:42.47 | whadar | rahul: i can download 100gig at two days |
| 17:42.48 | stew | Manny: and yes, if you want to run testing, you will definately have to upgrade to a 2.4 kernel and a 2.6 kernel would be recommended |
| 17:42.52 | whadar | s/at/in |
| 17:42.56 | rahul | whadar: you know that debian software is organized into categories, right? |
| 17:43.04 | Manny | stew: sorry I dont think I understand. I installed stable, I think that's why I got the 2.2 kernel. I later (years ago) switched to the testing branch for my packages. |
| 17:43.04 | whadar | yes |
| 17:43.32 | stew | Manny: the stable you isntalled is no longer stable, a new stable was released and you are trying to skip over that release which is not supported |
| 17:43.35 | rahul | whadar: so browse and isntall the categories of stuff you think they'll need |
| 17:44.10 | rgsteele | Manny: You really want to grab a later 2.6 kernel (the earlier 2.6's weren't the most stable beasts in the world) |
| 17:44.10 | whadar | the image could not be administrated afterwards... so i want any possible app |
| 17:44.10 | rahul | whadar: all you'll accomplish by filling up your 10TB RAID array is that you'll create lots of security holes |
| 17:44.11 | stew | whadar: what is your actual question? |
| 17:44.13 | rahul | whadar: impossible, then |
| 17:44.16 | rgsteele | whadar: You do realize that the image will become outdated within months, right? |
| 17:44.24 | jelly | whadar: that's just dumb. So give them a copy of the debian mirror then. ;-) |
| 17:44.29 | rahul | whadar: you NEED an admin to upgrade packages with security holes |
| 17:44.34 | fflush | window 10 |
| 17:44.36 | rgsteele | whadar: You can't just grab a snapshot of the packages as they stand now, and leave that in place forever. |
| 17:44.41 | rahul | whadar: and you need to make config changes from time to time |
| 17:44.48 | jelly | rgsteele: sure you can! :-) |
| 17:44.50 | rahul | whadar: what if the server time changes? |
| 17:44.59 | whadar | stew: how can i make debian choose one package out of bunch of conflicting packages... |
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| 17:45.05 | rgsteele | jelly: s/can't/shouldn't by any means/ :) |
| 17:45.07 | stew | whadar: use aptitdue |
| 17:45.11 | stew | err aptitude |
| 17:45.14 | Manny | rgsteele: is there a way to Apt-Get that? |
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| 17:45.15 | rahul | whadar: there's a REASON they conflict |
| 17:45.15 | whadar | jelly: i will run auto updates |
| 17:45.19 | rahul | haha |
| 17:45.21 | rgsteele | Manny: Yep |
| 17:45.27 | whadar | stew: thanks... |
| 17:45.29 | rahul | whadar: good luck keeping the system stable then |
| 17:45.29 | whadar | :) |
| 17:45.34 | Manny | I've never upgraded my kernel becuase, in debian, I couldnt grasp how to. |
| 17:45.35 | jelly | whadar: then you can also do installs afterwards. |
| 17:45.43 | stew | Manny: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 17:45.48 | whadar | jelly: automatically? |
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| 17:45.52 | rahul | Manny: other than "install the package with the newer kernel"? |
| 17:45.53 | stew | Manny: (after you switch your sources to stable) |
| 17:45.53 | Manny | I've re-built kernels before but this way was much more... difficult. |
| 17:46.02 | whadar | rahul: thanks |
| 17:46.14 | jelly | whadar: mostly. Debian is not bug-free, you know |
| 17:46.16 | rgsteele | Manny: apt-get install kernel-image-<version>-<arch> |
| 17:46.18 | stew | whadar: how are you going to pick which of the dozen or so webservers runs on which port? |
| 17:46.29 | gnat_x | i just installed (well dist-upgraded from ubuntu breezy) etch on my thinkpad t20. i'm using xfce, and trying to get the mixer to work with my sound card. when i launch xfce4-mixer i get this error: alsa: Mixer attach default error: No such device i'm guessing i need to just add the proper device to the mixer configs, but i'm not sure what/where it would be. any help? |
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| 17:46.36 | xushi | anyone knows if the "enable __must_check logic" is important in the kernel? |
| 17:46.48 | whadar | stew: i thought you said aptitude chooses one... |
| 17:46.54 | nk | hi there. I just want to install rsync on a really old debian, that has not been refreshed for a long time. now. apt-get wants to remove some kernel-packages, but I'm afraid to do that, because it's a live productive system. If I use apt-get install --no-remove rsync, it fails, saying that those packages MUST be removed. how can I come around that problem and why does apt-get want to remove a running kernel package? |
| 17:46.55 | rahul | xushi: #kernelnewbies on oftc.net |
| 17:46.57 | stew | whadar: i never said that |
| 17:47.06 | xushi | ta |
| 17:47.14 | CharminTheMoose | what the hell I load DamnSmallLinux embedded in my system and i then shut it down and my RAM usage drops from 98% to 58% what's up with that? |
| 17:47.23 | thelostbutler | gnat_x: #ubuntu :) |
| 17:47.25 | rahul | whadar: there is CHOICE because people want to CHOOSE. CHOOSE what you WANT. |
| 17:47.27 | Manny | Sorry guys, I'm trying to keep up but this is a pretty busy channel :-\ |
| 17:47.29 | whadar | whadar: stew: how can i make debian choose one package out of bunch of conflicting packages... |
| 17:47.33 | jelly | nk: build if from sources... /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:47.34 | stew | whadar: use aptitude |
| 17:47.42 | rgsteele | CharminTheMoose: Use Voyage |
| 17:47.45 | gnat_x | thelostbutler: no, i'm running etch.... all ubuntu packages are gone |
| 17:47.46 | whadar | lol |
| 17:47.55 | nk | jelly: tried that already. 'make' isn't installed either on that system, and trying to install make runs me into the same problem |
| 17:47.57 | rgsteele | CharminTheMoose: It's a really great Debian based OS meant for embedded systems |
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| 17:48.13 | whadar | rahul: i understand the choice thing... |
| 17:48.23 | rahul | whadar: yes, so choose. |
| 17:48.24 | jelly | nk: how old an installation are we talking about? |
| 17:48.25 | rgsteele | CharminTheMoose: Apparently, DamnSmallLinux is a DamnBigPITA :) |
| 17:48.29 | gnat_x | thelostbutler: i used apt to switch distros. |
| 17:48.41 | rahul | whadar: most stuff in the categories you'll want doesn't conflict anyway. |
| 17:49.06 | Manny | So, change my sources to Stable and then apt-get update then should I just dpkg sarge upgrade kernel OR should I just apt-get the kernel? |
| 17:49.06 | thelostbutler | gnat_x: oh. i didn;t know one could switch distros like that :D |
| 17:49.06 | nk | jelly: I don't really know. It's version 3.1 though |
| 17:49.06 | rahul | whadar: so don't install random shit from all over. just the specific TYPES of apps they'll want |
| 17:49.06 | whadar | i don't understand why i can't have many webservers "installed" and then i can just CHOOSE which of them to use |
| 17:49.06 | stew | dpkg: tell Manny about sarge upgrade kernel |
| 17:49.06 | CharminTheMoose | i'm just wondering why my ram usage DROPs when i unload it from my system,when it's normally at 98% when i boot due to agp aperture |
| 17:49.06 | dooglus | CharminTheMoose: any linux will use all available RAM for caching. DSL won't restrict itself to using less cache - why should it? |
| 17:49.12 | jelly | nk: Ie. which version of glibc (dpkg -l libc6), what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
| 17:49.15 | stew | CharminTheMoose: please go to #damnsmalllinux for help with dsl |
| 17:49.16 | gnat_x | thelostbutler: yeah, it only works because ubuntu is so close to debian |
| 17:49.21 | tuv | does this line in modinfo's output: 'parm: hwcrypto:enable hardware crypto (default off) (int)' mean that the current setting for hwcrypto option is enable? i created /etc/modprobe.d/ipw2200 containing 'options ipw2200 hwcrypto=0' and still get the same line |
| 17:49.22 | rgsteele | Manny: use apt-get, or aptitude if you prefer |
| 17:49.33 | jelly | nk: 3.1 is current stable, you're in luck |
| 17:49.37 | whadar | why the choice is upon install and not upon configuration |
| 17:49.40 | stew | Manny: no, don't use apt-get for the upgrade, you must use aptitdue |
| 17:49.50 | nk | jelly: I know :) anyway. libc is version 2.3.2.ds1-22 |
| 17:49.58 | thelostbutler | stew: err why aptitude and not apt ? |
| 17:50.10 | jelly | nk: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:50.12 | cahoot_ | gnat_x, the etch method would be dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 17:50.12 | nk | jelly: and I'm afraid the system won't start after the removal of the kernel-packages |
| 17:50.16 | nk | jelly: sure |
| 17:50.17 | rgsteele | thelostbutler: It's personal preference, really. |
| 17:50.24 | jelly | nk: that's quite possible ;-) |
| 17:50.27 | gnat_x | cahoot_: thanks i'll give it a shot. |
| 17:50.28 | stew | thelostbutler: becuase there was a bug in woody's apt-get which couldn't handle the large circular dependencies in woody and caused problems upgrading from woody->sarge |
| 17:50.41 | stew | rgsteele: no, its not just personal preference |
| 17:50.46 | whadar | rahul: "they" might want any random shit :) |
| 17:50.50 | rgsteele | stew: Sorry, I missed the context of the question |
| 17:50.58 | CharminTheMoose | no,it's just the fact that my normal ram when i boot my comp is 98% but when i boot dsl embedded and then unload it my ram usage drops dramatically for no reason at all.. |
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| 17:51.17 | rgsteele | stew: I answered a completely different question.... didn't realize it was a woody->sarge question. |
| 17:51.20 | Manny | I've never used aptitude... Can I apt-get that first? |
| 17:51.27 | CharminTheMoose | it's confuzing |
| 17:51.28 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: that nasty disk cache eats up all the ram! |
| 17:51.30 | stew | Manny: hopefully |
| 17:51.33 | blackelf__ | my debian is ass-slow in opening any network connection |
| 17:51.39 | rgsteele | Manny: What stew said. |
| 17:51.44 | azeem | Manny: you can use aptitude's CLI pretty much in the same way as apt-get's |
| 17:51.44 | thelostbutler | stew: thanks for clarifying. |
| 17:51.48 | blackelf__ | it takes always 4 seconds to open any new TCP connection, is that a known error? debian testing |
| 17:51.56 | stew | azeem: he's got a borked mixed woody/etch system |
| 17:52.06 | azeem | oh, he's not *the* Manny |
| 17:52.13 | azeem | nevermind then |
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| 17:52.29 | nk | jelly: DOH! there are testing sources included :-/ do you think fixing this apt-get update would fix my problem? |
| 17:52.32 | Manny | there's a THE manny? |
| 17:52.36 | gnat_x | cahoot_: i'm still getting the same error |
| 17:52.43 | whadar | stew: why can't i have many webservers installed and then i just CHOOSE which of them to use by configuration... like i can do with gnome, kde, xfce... |
| 17:52.52 | CharminTheMoose | jelly:would i be able to do something about the the nasty eating of my disk cache? |
| 17:53.08 | azeem | Manny: well, "Manny" is registered with nickserv |
| 17:53.14 | gnat_x | cahoot_: i'm going to try an alsaconfig as well |
| 17:53.15 | stew | whadar: you can. i was just curious how you were planning on choosing which one would run on which port if you are choosing to install all of them for all of your workstations |
| 17:53.40 | nk | jelly: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4783 |
| 17:53.48 | whadar | stew: so i *can* install everything and just choose afterwards? |
| 17:53.55 | jelly | nk: it probably would |
| 17:54.12 | stew | whadar: no you can't lots of packages conflict, not all of the webservers conflict. but all of the MTAs conflict, for instances |
| 17:54.25 | nk | jelly: trying... |
| 17:54.28 | jelly | nk: do a s/testing/stable/ globally |
| 17:54.34 | nk | jelly: yup |
| 17:54.35 | whadar | MTA? |
| 17:54.37 | rgsteele | stew: This guy doesn't _want_ to understand why what he's doing is wildly incorrect |
| 17:55.06 | CharminTheMoose | anyone wish to answerize my question? |
| 17:55.12 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: no, that's normal |
| 17:55.12 | whadar | rgsteele: i do, i just want to understand what's the motivation behind conflicts... |
| 17:55.13 | stew | CharminTheMoose: your question is off-topic |
| 17:55.29 | blackelf__ | opening of any tcp connection takes 4 seconds is that a known error |
| 17:55.33 | CharminTheMoose | appy polly loggies stew |
| 17:55.34 | nk | jelly: thx a lot for hinting me :) installing JUST rsync now... |
| 17:55.45 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: you're probably misreading output from top or free or whatever |
| 17:56.14 | whadar | i know it is wrong to attempt to install every random shit |
| 17:56.55 | CharminTheMoose | jelly how so?I'm looking at something different or that my values being displayed are f-ed? |
| 17:57.02 | davis | hello |
| 17:57.31 | k31th | If i want my box to use /etc/hosts Before using dns what shoudl i put in resolve.conf? |
| 17:57.34 | rgsteele | whadar: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
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| 17:57.38 | rgsteele | whadar: Section 7.3 |
| 17:57.46 | jelly | CharminTheMoose: stuff that's used for buffers/cache can and will be automatically used for apps if need arise |
| 17:57.58 | davis | i am trying to use the /etc/init.d/iptables save capability. it looks like it is trying to save a file to local dir instead of to /var/lib/iptables/<filename> is this a mistake or am I using it wrong? |
| 17:58.04 | stew | k31th: notion, make sure your /etc/nsswitch.conf has "hosts: files dns" |
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| 17:58.16 | stew | k31th: err, i meant nothing, not notion |
| 17:58.54 | whadar | rgsteele: thanks |
| 17:58.59 | k31th | hosts: files dns |
| 17:59.03 | k31th | yup has it. |
| 17:59.10 | stew | k31th: you're all set then |
| 17:59.46 | Assid | err.. whats --- MARK --- for in /var/log/messages? |
| 17:59.50 | stew | whadar: for instance, all of the mailservers install a file named /usr/sbin/sendmail that needs to behave differently for whatever mail server is running on the box, so you cant install more than one mail server on a box, which is why the packages conflict |
| 17:59.56 | stew | !mark |
| 17:59.56 | dpkg | methinks mark is Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. Or give Mark a root shell and he'll stop spamming your logs. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 18:00.34 | whadar | stew: thanks! |
| 18:00.46 | Assid | stew: any benefit of having it around? |
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| 18:02.00 | stew | Assid: not often |
| 18:02.35 | whadar | stew: though technically one theoritically install a linux system with those web servers... he will just have to install each /usr/sbin/sendmail in its own dedicated directory |
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| 18:02.50 | whadar | but i understand the motivation now |
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| 18:03.07 | whadar | s/install/can install |
| 18:03.18 | k31th | Hum if i want sendmail to think this host has a different IP to another host on the network with the same hostname... how would i do that? |
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| 18:03.33 | k31th | Does sendmail allways use DNS? |
| 18:03.35 | whadar | debian keeps the system simpler though |
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| 18:03.58 | daxxar | Hi. :-) |
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| 18:04.35 | daxxar | Anyone have any suggestions as to how one should downgrade from Debian Unstable to etch? |
| 18:04.48 | steven_ | I've some issues with my dlink dge-530t, lshw knows about it, but says unclaimed. Any suggestions? |
| 18:05.15 | stew | whadar: or, for instance, hotplug and udev provide similar, conflicting functions in etch and therefore conflict. file-rc and sysvutils both provide 2 different ways of booting your system, there are different libc6 implementations which are optimized for different situations... |
| 18:05.18 | r3x | r3x>someone help me outhere.i've seen this font before* can someone tell me whats the font or how'z it applyied???????? |
| 18:05.20 | r3x | <r3x>http://rex.nonlogic.org/tmp/topo_noticias_.gif |
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| 18:05.21 | r3x | <r3x>sure u've seen it too..on w3c etc..those small icons |
| 18:05.35 | stew | daxxar: downgrading isn't supported |
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| 18:06.00 | daxxar | stew, so no advices or anything in here, then? :| |
| 18:06.08 | StupidMop | how can i install curses in debian? when i do apt-get it cant find it |
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| 18:06.29 | stew | StupidMop: what are you trying to run that requires curses? |
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| 18:06.32 | stew | daxxar: not really |
| 18:06.40 | h3sp4wn | daxxar: pin etch to 1001 man apt_preferences and apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 18:06.43 | r3x | sources.list duh? :D |
| 18:06.44 | k31th | Does sendmail allways use DNS? |
| 18:06.46 | k31th | Hum if i want sendmail to think this host has a different IP to another host on the network with the same hostname... how would i do that? |
| 18:06.53 | p3rti | hi.. how can i get information about my memory, like voltage, speed... and sometime like that |
| 18:07.13 | r3x | c'mmon |
| 18:07.21 | r3x | what the font on the image |
| 18:07.23 | r3x | r3x>someone help me outhere.i've seen this font before* can someone tell me whats the font or how'z it applyied???????? |
| 18:07.24 | h3sp4wn | daxxar: etch/sid are quite similar so it just might work |
| 18:07.25 | r3x | <r3x>http://rex.nonlogic.org/tmp/topo_noticias_.gif |
| 18:07.26 | r3x | <r3x>sure u've seen it too..on w3c etc..those small icons |
| 18:07.28 | cast | eh. i install xserver-xorg-core but got no ncurses interface to configure it. how do i get that? |
| 18:07.32 | h3sp4wn | daxxar: (at this moment in time) |
| 18:07.33 | stew | k31th: be more specific, "my server, "server A" is trying to send mail to server B with ip adress 1.2.3.4 but I want it to to foo instead of bar"... |
| 18:07.37 | cydork | r3x: stop repeating . |
| 18:07.53 | cast | i'd like X, i was thing xserver-xorg-core plus the nv pkg would be enough |
| 18:08.02 | cast | thinking* |
| 18:08.04 | stew | cast: apt-get install xorg |
| 18:08.32 | h3sp4wn | cast: you would need at least the mouse and keyboard driver also |
| 18:08.36 | StupidMop | stew: i need to use the curses module, and it needs curses to be installed |
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| 18:08.41 | p3rti | so?? |
| 18:08.49 | whadar | stew: thanks |
| 18:08.53 | cast | i presumed that would be in xserver-xorg-core, like in sarge :\ |
| 18:09.06 | StupidMop | stew: i need to use the curses module in perl, and it needs curses to be installed |
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| 18:09.09 | stew | StupidMop: what is the curses module? is there a command you are trying to run that isnt' working? |
| 18:09.13 | cast | ahh. wait. maybe i wanted x-window-system-core :) |
| 18:09.15 | stew | cast: its xorg |
| 18:09.24 | stew | !depends x-window-system-core |
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| 18:09.30 | stew | cast: it just installs xorg... |
| 18:09.31 | dpkg | x-window-system-core: depends on xorg |
| 18:09.38 | k31th | ok del1.blah.com and del1.blah.com are on the same network... however one has the IP of 192.168.1.50 and the other has the IP of 192.168.1.51, when sending mail from 192.168.1.52 it trys to send it via dell1.blah.com and i get unknown user error... |
| 18:10.11 | cast | doh. well it/xorg is installing |
| 18:10.32 | thelostbutler | Stupidmop: you are looking probably looking for libcurses-perl |
| 18:10.33 | stew | StupidMop: oh, poerl, |
| 18:10.35 | stew | perl |
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| 18:10.57 | stew | StupidMop: libcurses-perl |
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| 18:11.40 | StupidMop | thelostbutler & stew: ah! i saw that in aptitude but wasnt sure if it was exactly what i needed! |
| 18:11.41 | cast | thanks stew, h3sp4wn :> |
| 18:11.55 | StupidMop | thelostbutler & stew: many thanks! |
| 18:11.56 | p3rti | well.. |
| 18:11.59 | p3rti | nobody know's |
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| 18:12.40 | stew | k31th: so DNS is telling .52 to send mail to .50 when you want it to go to .51 |
| 18:12.46 | stew | k31th: do you control the dns server? |
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| 18:13.22 | stew | StupidMop: in general, if you want a perl module named "Foo::Bar" you should be looking for a package named "libfoo-bar-perl" |
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| 18:13.53 | stew | StupidMop: (failing that, look for libfoo-perl) |
| 18:13.54 | gnat_x | can anyone point me to a standard list of debian groups for things like audio and similar items. i think my problem with sound may just be a permissions thing since i am only in my own group. |
| 18:13.55 | stew | gnat_x: adduser username audio |
| 18:14.00 | k31th | stew: yeah but i cant change the dns of it, currently dell1.blah.com points to 192.168.1.50 /// dell2.blah.com points to *.*.*.51 |
| 18:14.46 | stew | k31th: you could redirect smtp traffic going to .50 to go to .51 with iptables and DNAT on .52, but its kinda hackish |
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| 18:15.36 | h3sp4wn | gnat_x: Or you could tail -1 /etc/adduser.conf (EXTRA_GROUPS they are listed under that the common ones) |
| 18:15.41 | k31th | stew: is there a way i can change wat hostname sendmail uses..i think this might be a clone of the other server... |
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| 18:15.52 | k31th | put on the network with a different IP |
| 18:16.23 | stew | k31th: when you say "sendmail" you mean on the .52 box? |
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| 18:17.08 | vta | does anyone know how to make ircII show own nickname when talking? |
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| 18:17.23 | rgsteele | So, I need some help in convincing my boss of something. I say that I can take the ps2 mouse and keyboard out of some server without anything happening. They run to a KVM switch, if that really matters, and the server is pretty new (< 1 year old) |
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| 18:17.41 | rgsteele | He says that he can't definitively prove that nothing will happen, so I can take 'em out. |
| 18:17.49 | rgsteele | s/can/can't/ |
| 18:18.56 | abrotman | just do it .. don't tell him :) |
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| 18:19.35 | stew | rgsteele: tell him to find a single other machine where that does something bad |
| 18:19.38 | rgsteele | Heh, I can't...he found this: http://www.answers.com/topic/ps-2-connector |
| 18:19.42 | rgsteele | Check out that last paragraph |
| 18:20.19 | Manny | Well, I switched my branch to stable but it still complains about needing to do a apt-get -f install and then complains that it needs to do another forceLoop. When I do it just starts removing stuff and then errors out with a status of 1. |
| 18:20.22 | Manny | Am I boned? |
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| 18:20.37 | stew | Manny: show us the acutal output of "apt-get -f install" |
| 18:20.39 | rgsteele | So, even though the microcontroller on this thing is pretty new and almost certaintly robust enough to handle having it yanked, that's the "reasonable doubt" he needed to overturn the conviction :) |
| 18:20.41 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:20.41 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 18:21.04 | stew | Manny: and include the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" for whatever package is giving you problems |
| 18:21.05 | Manny | stew: where should I post it? |
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| 18:21.10 | stew | Manny: paste.debian.net |
| 18:21.12 | r4663r | hello |
| 18:21.14 | Manny | thanks |
| 18:21.16 | Manny | will do. |
| 18:21.18 | r4663r | i have problem with my kernel update |
| 18:21.55 | simon23 | which one ? |
| 18:21.59 | stew | r4663r: we'd need more info |
| 18:22.01 | r4663r | i updated with backports to kernel 2.6.14 (i need at least 2.6.10) and when i try to reboot i got an error that a file "temperature.ko" is missung, what have i done wrong? |
| 18:22.20 | r4663r | i installed it per aptitude |
| 18:22.28 | stew | backports still has 2.6.14? |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | shouldn't |
| 18:22.35 | r4663r | yes it has |
| 18:22.45 | r4663r | otherwise i couldnt have found it |
| 18:22.46 | r4663r | *g* |
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| 18:22.57 | abrotman | eww .. it does |
| 18:23.01 | r4663r | i read that i cant get a newer kernel than 2.6.14 cause it make sproblems... |
| 18:23.14 | stew | hmm, i should get the aptitude bot knowing about sarge-backports |
| 18:23.14 | r4663r | so i decided to take 2.6.14 |
| 18:23.35 | Neaai | Hello all. I would want to confirm whether there was any bug regarding the Xen packages in etch, as of debian kernel 2.6.17 ? I can see that since yesterday, there's a 2.6.18 xen kernel in debian. |
| 18:23.44 | r4663r | yes i told aptitude about the backports, otherwise isnt able to isntall it |
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| 18:23.57 | abrotman | r4663r: he means the 'aptitude' bot that sometimes comes here |
| 18:24.04 | r4663r | ohh |
| 18:24.05 | r4663r | sry |
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| 18:24.23 | r4663r | is there another possibilty of getting a working kernel higher than 2.6.10 with sarge 3.1 |
| 18:24.34 | stew | r4663r: did you actually try a newer kernel than 2.6.14? 2.6.14 is a bad idea because of security vulnerabilities |
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| 18:24.39 | Nibbier | download it, build it, use it? |
| 18:24.47 | stew | r4663r: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 18:24.52 | r4663r | stew i read that newer kernels wont work without a lot of adminsitration... |
| 18:25.05 | stew | r4663r: what about them? where did you read that? |
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| 18:25.15 | stew | r4663r: what kind of adminstration? |
| 18:25.24 | r4663r | a lot of configuration |
| 18:25.28 | urv | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.33 | r4663r | yes urv |
| 18:25.34 | r4663r | i did |
| 18:25.38 | r4663r | ill try it |
| 18:25.44 | r4663r | thx for your help |
| 18:25.47 | stew | r4663r: what would have to be configured? |
| 18:26.01 | Neaai | I'm asking about the xen kernel bug, because my dom0 and domU worked nicely... as long as there were no more than one domU running. A second domU would crash the machine within seconds, and the hardware would reboot on its own. |
| 18:26.06 | r4663r | stew i dont know...i read it in a forum, so i decided not to do that |
| 18:26.09 | stew | r4663r: where did you read it? |
| 18:26.15 | r4663r | i dont know |
| 18:26.18 | r4663r | goolge -> forum |
| 18:26.21 | zrin | is there a reliable package for S/MIME message signing? I've tried openssl, but some widely used e-mail clients can't check that messages successfully, they report that the signature does not match the message... i'll be very thankful for any hint! |
| 18:27.09 | stew | r4663r: i don't know what there would possibly be to configure |
| 18:27.21 | davis | join netfilter |
| 18:27.23 | r4663r | stew |
| 18:27.30 | r4663r | a lot of compatibility problems |
| 18:27.35 | r4663r | i read there |
| 18:27.39 | r4663r | i dont know about it |
| 18:27.41 | r4663r | :) |
| 18:28.04 | stew | r4663r: i don't know of any compatibility problems that exist in 2.6.18 that don't exist in 2.6.14 |
| 18:28.10 | r4663r | it doesnt find arch 386 |
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| 18:28.23 | r4663r | stew now im having problems with 2.6.14 |
| 18:28.28 | r4663r | before i had 2.6.8... |
| 18:28.32 | stew | r4663r: yes, 386s aren't supported anymore, use 486 or 686 or k7 |
| 18:28.55 | r4663r | what shall i take for an old pentium 200mhz computer? |
| 18:29.00 | r4663r | 486 or 686 |
| 18:29.00 | r4663r | ? |
| 18:29.03 | stew | r4663r: 486 |
| 18:29.05 | r4663r | okay |
| 18:29.13 | stew | r4663r: unless its a pentium pro |
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| 18:29.34 | r4663r | i dont know, i think pentium mmx |
| 18:30.07 | stew | r4663r: 486 then |
| 18:30.16 | r4663r | okay i choosed |
| 18:31.15 | tuv | i had pcspkr module disabled, but after upgrading to 2.6.18 it's loaded again although i still have '#alias pnp:dPNP0800 pcspkr' commented out |
| 18:31.17 | r4663r | i'm going to test if its working |
| 18:31.34 | stew | r4663r: what version of udev / grub do you have installed? |
| 18:31.48 | r4663r | udev is 0.1xx |
| 18:31.51 | r4663r | a new versionb |
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| 18:31.57 | r4663r | -b |
| 18:32.01 | corrideat | Hello! |
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| 18:32.36 | tuv | how do i shut pcspkr up? |
| 18:32.44 | cydork | !bell |
| 18:32.44 | dpkg | i guess bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 18:32.45 | stew | tuv: modprobe -r pcspkr |
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| 18:33.05 | dob1 | hi, there is some way to install java 6 with java-package? |
| 18:33.18 | tuv | stew, permenantly? |
| 18:33.24 | stew | tuv: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:33.30 | stew | dob1: /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED would tell you |
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| 18:33.57 | corrideat | I'm integrating a Foundation Called "NUCF" (NoUBuntu conscience Foundation). I speak Spanish. Our manifesto (in English) is here: http://pastebin.ca/276790. |
| 18:34.07 | corrideat | Is it well-written? |
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| 18:34.14 | corrideat | Thank you for your help. |
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| 18:34.20 | stew | tuv: (or just find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name pckpkr.ko | xargs rename 's/ko/ko.HIDE/') |
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| 18:34.49 | dob1 | stew: i know it's not supported, but asking if there is some patch, i think it only needs a script in /usr/share/java-package |
| 18:35.08 | tuv | stew, that didn't used to work with pcspkr. i had to comment its alias line. is it now possible to blacklist it? |
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| 18:37.05 | stew | tuv: not sure, check the bts for udev if you are on etch, or hotplug/discover on sarge |
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| 18:37.05 | infernix | corrideat: did you use a grammac check yet? it's not rock solid; understandable but not "perfect english" |
| 18:37.05 | infernix | *grammar |
| 18:37.05 | Manny | stew: ok, I posted it under Manny. |
| 18:37.09 | Manny | That's what happened after changing it to Stable. |
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| 18:37.15 | corrideat | infernix, thank you. |
| 18:37.24 | mz_work | tuv, if you use udev look at /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 18:39.07 | atSquiGgs | hey guys |
| 18:39.07 | stew | Manny: try running "mkdir /usr/lib/python2.1/site-packages/ldap" and then try again |
| 18:39.10 | Manny | stew: I dont use that old vesion of python I just probably didnt know how to remove the old when I installed the new. |
| 18:39.28 | atSquiGgs | I'm using etch, I can't find a package for php5-pear, do you know why? |
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| 18:40.45 | n3kl | Hi |
| 18:40.50 | stew | atSquiGgs: its named php-pear |
| 18:41.00 | n3kl | Does anyone know of a way to set ntfs permissions on a samba mount? |
| 18:41.08 | Manny | ok, I didnt even have the python2.1 dir but I created the whole chain |
| 18:41.19 | atSquiGgs | thanks! |
| 18:41.21 | stew | Manny: you could try just removing the offending pacakge |
| 18:41.48 | n3kl | Or with linux, period. |
| 18:41.49 | n3kl | ? |
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| 18:42.38 | zrin | is there a reliable package for S/MIME message signing? I've tried openssl, but some widely used e-mail clients can't check that messages successfully, they report that the signature does not match the message... i'll be very thankful for any hint! |
| 18:44.24 | Manny | stew: it looks like it's removing everything... but atleast it passed the python package. It just asked me to stop KDM... still going. |
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| 18:45.09 | Manny | stew: the orrig offending package was e2fs and then clib because of my old kernel. |
| 18:45.19 | Manny | I was just trying to install apache |
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| 18:46.48 | Manny | stew: this is going to sound super newby but What does apt-get install do? |
| 18:47.06 | Manny | it's done. |
| 18:47.22 | Manny | looks like things that didnt work are working again like mc |
| 18:47.24 | Kobaz | installs packages |
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| 18:47.34 | Kobaz | apt-cache search <something> |
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| 18:47.37 | Kobaz | to find a package |
| 18:47.58 | Manny | right but what happens if you just run apt-get install ? |
| 18:48.16 | Manny | what I mean to say is apt-get install |
| 18:48.32 | Kobaz | nothing |
| 18:48.37 | Kobaz | it'll print out some info |
| 18:48.43 | n3kl | ! ntfs permissions |
| 18:49.26 | yassinework | i have a strange behanviour of apache2 on debian i have create a self signed cert and set the config to load it and is beeing loaded but apache is not listning to the 443 at all any idea what could be the reason for this ? |
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| 18:50.33 | Flimzy | Is there any way to tell from /proc or elsewhere from the command line if a box has a HT CPU or dual-core? |
| 18:50.46 | Kobaz | Flimzy: not that i know of |
| 18:50.49 | n3kl | yassinework: <VirtualHost *:443> |
| 18:50.50 | Manny | Ok, now that this process is complete, how can I tell if e2fsprogs is installed and working again? |
| 18:50.56 | Flimzy | hrmph |
| 18:51.03 | yassinework | n3kl, is already in |
| 18:51.12 | Flimzy | /proc/cpuinfo has a 'ht' flag... does that mean hyperthreading? |
| 18:51.16 | n3kl | yassinework: netstat -luntp? |
| 18:51.57 | n3kl | yassinework: is the Virtualhost in the /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ ? |
| 18:52.05 | Flimzy | apparantly not. grr |
| 18:52.13 | kewlzero3 | Flimqy, japs |
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| 18:52.23 | Flimzy | kewlzero3: japs? |
| 18:52.33 | kewlzero3 | Flimzy, yes sir ;-) |
| 18:52.47 | Flimzy | kewlzero3: what is japs? |
| 18:52.49 | yassinework | n3kl, http://rafb.net/paste/results/0n8UMI90.html |
| 18:53.05 | yassinework | n3kl, the host ins in there in the enables sites |
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| 18:53.30 | n3kl | yassinework: did you check your logs? it might tell you something about it |
| 18:53.30 | kewlzero3 | Flimzy, a word for yes in german |
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| 18:53.41 | Flimzy | kewlzero3: yes to what? |
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| 18:54.02 | Kobaz | #define X86_FEATURE_HT (0*32+28) /* Hyper-Threading */ |
| 18:54.05 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 18:54.08 | Kobaz | that would be it |
| 18:54.14 | kewlzero3 | Flimzy, yes ht means hyperthreading - your last question |
| 18:54.25 | yassinework | n3kl, the ssl-active host logs are : http://rafb.net/paste/results/bWx9d792.html |
| 18:54.30 | stew | Manny: -f is "fix broken packages" which is the key part of what you were doing |
| 18:54.31 | n3kl | yassinework: NameVirtualHost *:443 ? |
| 18:54.48 | stew | Manny: after you have fully upgraded to stable, you need to upgrade your kernel, /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 18:54.57 | stew | huh |
| 18:55.08 | stew | n3kl: you can't do named virtual hosts with ssl |
| 18:55.14 | n3kl | yassinework: any usefull output from /etc/init.d/apache restart ? |
| 18:55.31 | n3kl | stew: oh, just a thought |
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| 18:56.20 | n3kl | Does anyone know of a way to change ntfs permissions from linux? |
| 18:56.27 | Kobaz | piotr: why would you want to do that |
| 18:56.30 | Kobaz | er |
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| 18:56.54 | stew | yassinework: do you have "Listen 443" anywhere? or "Listen 1.2.3.4:443" where 1.2.3.4 is a particular ip address |
| 18:56.59 | yassinework | n3kl, im afraid there is nothing which could be usefull there |
| 18:57.12 | stew | or BindAddress... |
| 18:57.14 | yassinework | stew, let me see |
| 18:58.31 | zrin | debian desktop users - could you please send me a S/MIME signed test message to zrin@zrin.dhs.org - please let me know which client was used to sign the message; i'll let you know about the compatibility test result if you wish - thank you |
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| 18:59.12 | yassinework | and the award of the best tip of the day goes to : stew, and n3kl thanks guys you saved my day |
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| 18:59.22 | yassinework | i have forgot to add the listen 443 :) |
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| 19:01.31 | karsten | zrin: http://csrc.nist.gov/pki/documents/NSMTFInstructions.htm |
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| 19:02.31 | Manny | stew: using aptitude, right? |
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| 19:03.01 | anacronique | Hello all. |
| 19:03.08 | CrippsFX | does anyone know where I can find documentation for the xmms2-python bindings? |
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| 19:03.15 | stew | Manny: yes |
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| 19:03.23 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.46 | zrin | karsten: thank you - do you know if there is a software (available in debian) which can be used to successfully sign e-mail messages - so that commonly used e-mail clients can propery verify the signature? |
| 19:03.55 | stew | CrippsFX: /usr/share/doc/python-xmmsclient ? |
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| 19:04.21 | karsten | zrin: Several. |
| 19:04.36 | CrippsFX | stew, I'll give it a shot, thnx |
| 19:04.46 | karsten | zrin: Off the top of my head: mutt, thunderbird, Mozilla email client, and Evolution, if not others. |
| 19:04.48 | anacronique | Hi, I'm in trouble with my ADSL connection in 64studio (Debian amd64) I can start pppoe but have no traffic. Any ideas? |
| 19:05.18 | stew | CrippsFX: if not, have you tried the "help modulename" or "help functionname" from inside python? |
| 19:05.27 | CrippsFX | stew ... no such directory :/ |
| 19:05.34 | karsten | zrin: openssl's smime feature should be able to generate / test s/mime mail too, I'd think (haven't used it for same). |
| 19:05.35 | stew | CrippsFX: you ahve to install the package first |
| 19:06.01 | zrin | karsten: thank you, I'll try mutt first; I've tried openssl, but it couldn't produce a signature that would be successfully verified in common e-mail clients |
| 19:06.02 | CrippsFX | stew, does "apt-get install libxmms2-mod-python" count? |
| 19:06.03 | stew | CrippsFX: or are you talking about some other package? isn't python-xmmsclient the package name of the xmms2 python bindings? |
| 19:06.04 | karsten | zrin: 'openssl smime' for a command rundown. |
| 19:06.23 | stew | CrippsFX: if that is the package then, /usr/share/doc/libxmms2-mod-python |
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| 19:06.32 | karsten | : |
| 19:07.20 | zrin | karsten: openssl did successfully verify messages that it has created, but other software couldn't; I've found some reports that mention line ends and/or empty lines problems, but I didn't manage to get it working |
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| 19:07.49 | cydork | hey also is returning alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1248:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | !petemcsmite karsten |
| 19:07.54 | abrotman | drat! |
| 19:08.00 | karsten | zrin: PKI is highly sensitive to any payload modifications. |
| 19:08.01 | abrotman | dpkg: supposed to be a potato! |
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| 19:08.13 | cydork | but fuser /dev/snd/pcmwhaterver doesn't display anything. how can that be. |
| 19:08.17 | CrippsFX | stew, gr. Yeah ... apt-get didn't install python-xmmsclient with the rest of the xmms2 stuff I installed. It's there now. |
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| 19:08.59 | zrin | karsten: sure, but there sould be a way to send properly signed messages ... perhaps I should base64 encode everything (even plain text) before sending? |
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| 19:09.03 | |dennis| | Greetings.. i have a tyan S2882-D socket 920 amd opteron 64 bit mb. i am tryint to get the raid to work in debian. I have set up the raid in the bios however, etch sees the raid as individual disks..i booted into expert mode and trie a modprobe sata_sil and detected disks but to no avail..can someone please help me to get etch to detect my raid 1 successfully |
| 19:09.03 | pickcoder | has RC1 been updated recently? |
| 19:09.29 | pickcoder | like within the past 3 months |
| 19:09.29 | abrotman | to a daily ? :) |
| 19:09.33 | pickcoder | ok |
| 19:09.36 | abrotman | RC1 just came out like 6 weeks ago i think |
| 19:09.45 | pickcoder | my installer CD won't mount a CD-ROM on this Dell 420MT |
| 19:09.50 | abrotman | November 13th, 2006 |
| 19:09.56 | pickcoder | ok.. I must have had beta 2 |
| 19:09.57 | abrotman | a month ago |
| 19:10.24 | pickcoder | the debug console shows missing modules |
| 19:10.29 | stew | |dennis|: you have fakeraid, your motherboard doesn' really have a real raid controller. its recommended that you use linux software raid or use dmraid if your fakeraid controller is supported by it |
| 19:10.32 | pickcoder | and then the kernel freezes |
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| 19:11.55 | |dennis| | thanks stew.. will look into fakeraid and dmraid..thanks...once again... |
| 19:11.57 | abrotman | on top of the sata_sil blacklist |
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| 19:13.04 | yang | I am getting error KILLED kbd layout in the etch installation process "xkb set layout UTF-8" when it tries to autodetect hardware...? |
| 19:13.06 | pickcoder | |dennis|: I'd recommend, from personal experience with the S boards and the sata_sil driver, to either pay for a real RAID controller or use software RAID |
| 19:13.26 | pickcoder | preferably #1 if you are running a server with high disk demands |
| 19:13.57 | CrippsFX | stew, the documentation wasn't located there, but I did manage to find an API reference and a tutorial by asking on #xmms2 :) |
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| 19:14.03 | abrotman | sata_sil are pretty crappy controllers IMO |
| 19:14.21 | pickcoder | abrotman: I've even had flakey normal SATA |
| 19:14.33 | abrotman | that is normal SATA |
| 19:14.38 | abrotman | it's just a specific controller |
| 19:14.49 | |dennis| | pickcoder and stew: thanks, did not realize that the tyan's mbs did not have real raid contrllers... |
| 19:14.54 | pickcoder | I meant with the sata_sil driver |
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| 19:15.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:15.30 | pickcoder | |dennis|: the E-ATX server boards do have SCSI RAID options |
| 19:16.09 | pickcoder | but most of the RAID chipsets are either the VIA or Silicon Image |
| 19:16.39 | stew | are there any motherboards with real sata raid onboard? |
| 19:16.43 | pickcoder | the NV400 series chipsets are a totally different beast |
| 19:16.52 | pickcoder | stew: not that I'm aware of |
| 19:16.56 | rahul | stew: not for consumers |
| 19:17.02 | rahul | might be for servers |
| 19:17.05 | stew | didn't think so |
| 19:17.07 | |dennis| | pickcoder: this is what the specs say.. says supports raid.. thats what confuses me.. http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8sdpro_spec.html |
| 19:17.27 | rahul | |dennis|: linux supports raid on all motherboards |
| 19:17.29 | pickcoder | |dennis|: yes.. it supports raid.. but it uses the sata_sil driver which is quite pathetic |
| 19:17.40 | pickcoder | it will only work under AHCI |
| 19:17.45 | pickcoder | or SATA |
| 19:17.45 | stew | |dennis|: it supports raid with windows driver that do the raid in software. |
| 19:17.46 | rahul | |dennis|: software raid is software raid |
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| 19:18.21 | pickcoder | thus my suggestion to pay for a real controller or just use it in SATA mode with Linux softRAOD |
| 19:18.22 | pickcoder | RAID even |
| 19:18.46 | |dennis| | yeah...thanks everyone.. will probably go with software raid for now....due to time constraints...and availabilty...thanks.. |
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| 19:20.54 | Thaiger | When I installed debian I told it to not mount one of the disks in the machine, but now I want to format and mount it, how do I figure out what it is? I assume its hdb1, but I'd like to know for sure |
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| 19:21.49 | pickcoder | Thaiger: dmesg | less |
| 19:21.57 | stew | Thaiger: does "fdisk -l" provide clues? |
| 19:22.00 | pickcoder | look for hda/hdb/hdc detection |
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| 19:24.31 | edwardam | stupid question: How do I configure /etc/interfaces to use ' |
| 19:24.31 | edwardam | stupid question: How do I configure /etc/interfaces to use 'ip |
| 19:24.31 | edwardam | gah |
| 19:24.44 | edwardam | stupid question: How do I configure /etc/interfaces to use 'ip' instead of ifconfig for aliases? Or for odd routes, etc? |
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| 19:25.06 | pickcoder | same error with Rc1 |
| 19:25.12 | edwardam | I know how to do this stuff on gentoo, not debian. So any pointers to docs would be helpful. Thx |
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| 19:25.16 | pickcoder | missing IDE modules |
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| 19:25.41 | rahul | edwardam: you can add post-up commands. man 5 interfaces |
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| 19:26.20 | stew | edwardam: instead of configuring "eth0:1", "eth0:2" add an "up" line on eth0, like "up ip r a 192.168.0.0/16 dev eth0" or "ip a a 1.2.3.4/24 dev eth0" |
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| 19:26.34 | pickcoder | ide-detect is failing apparently |
| 19:26.41 | edwardam | rahul/stew thanks |
| 19:26.47 | edwardam | I knew it had to be simple |
| 19:27.11 | pickcoder | because it can't find modules for IDE probing |
| 19:27.57 | edwardam | stew, so 'up' would be the actual command ran to bring the interface up? |
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| 19:28.17 | stew | edwardam: man interfaces, look for up/post-up (which are synonyms) |
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| 19:28.42 | grendal_prime | anyone done a succesfull distupgrade to etch yet? |
| 19:29.00 | edwardam | stew, it actually doesn't say that on the man page. :-) |
| 19:29.01 | stew | grendal_prime: lots and lots of poeople |
| 19:29.01 | cydork | esd sucks! |
| 19:29.06 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 19:29.08 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: yes from several old versions of Sarge |
| 19:29.26 | grendal_prime | im wondering if i should try this today. |
| 19:29.30 | grendal_prime | i have some time |
| 19:30.03 | abrotman | just do it .. what's the worst that happens .. it blows up and you have no workstation |
| 19:30.20 | rahul | cydork: you just figured that out? |
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| 19:30.48 | pickcoder | cydork: the sound daemon or an electro-static event |
| 19:30.55 | cydork | rahul: na i forgot about it for a while .. :P |
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| 19:31.14 | dogmeat | when i try to 'man bash' i receive error message 'man: can't create a temporary filename: Read-only file system' how can i determine which dir is mounted as read-only? /tmp seems to be set that way, tried df --si -a, and mount |
| 19:31.23 | rahul | cydork: a terrible mistake |
| 19:31.35 | cydork | pickcoder: i was talking about the sound but the electro static doesn't sound too good either. |
| 19:31.37 | rahul | esd can be fun, yeah... zzzzzzt |
| 19:32.35 | pickcoder | btw.. wireless wriststraps are a joke |
| 19:32.48 | rahul | pickcoder: REALLY?? |
| 19:32.53 | rahul | heh. |
| 19:33.14 | cydork | rahul: i am waiting for e18 :P |
| 19:33.22 | rahul | oh god |
| 19:33.37 | pickcoder | I've read articles stating how awesome they are and how they're the future of field service |
| 19:34.16 | pickcoder | hmm.. there is no bug filed for this |
| 19:34.36 | pickcoder | I don't get it.. I have no problems with other older PCs |
| 19:34.51 | pickcoder | even older CD-ROMs and IDE bridges |
| 19:35.15 | grendal_prime | by the way abrotman you were right, i just needed to remove all the crap i had installed for ati and the default setup worked fine |
| 19:35.23 | abrotman | whee |
| 19:35.25 | grendal_prime | on my workstation that is |
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| 19:42.25 | hkais | hello |
| 19:42.26 | hkais | how can i set /sys/bus/scsi/drivers/sd/0:0:0:0/block/queue/read_ahead_kb=16384 via sysctl? |
| 19:42.54 | stew | hkais: sysctl is for setting stuff in /proc/sys not /sys afaik |
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| 19:43.21 | jcb | Hey, I have 1 physical device called 'sda' that have 1 big partition that is the only physical volume in a volume group and the whole volume group is used for a single logical volume. I want to get rid of lvm in this setup, since its pointless and will be forever in this case. I was thinking: Is it possible to use 'dd' to read the logical volume and simple overwrite the partition on the physical device? |
| 19:43.32 | cydork | yay for 2.6.18 no need for sbs patches and all that shit :P |
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| 19:44.42 | dogmeat | how can i perform fsck on my primary hdd? |
| 19:44.53 | stew | dogmeat: touch /forcefsck and reboot |
| 19:45.53 | dogmeat | stew: thanks |
| 19:46.05 | grendal_prime | reason i asked about the upgrade is last time i tried it...it chocked and i was told the net install for etch was not working? |
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| 19:50.18 | evilbulgarian | hi are there packages for debian etch and mysql-server 5.1 |
| 19:50.36 | grendal_prime | also anyone had any trouble with intel shared mem video controlers |
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| 19:52.43 | samfreed | got some ACPI problem on a newish lenovo... is here the place, or where do i go? |
| 19:52.46 | berkes | how do I operate the bot in here? I rememer the bot having someting interesting about webmin / virtualmin |
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| 19:53.32 | cydork | berkes: /msg dpkg webmin |
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| 19:54.25 | berkes | thanks cydork |
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| 19:55.38 | JacquelineG | i have an intel 64 bit. is there an advantage to use a 64bit version of a debian distro over a 32bit? |
| 19:55.59 | berkes | "... but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin." I wonder if dondelelcaro knows any better options :) |
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| 19:56.26 | stew | berkes: ssh + vim |
| 19:56.41 | n3kl | Is there a good snort log parser that someone could recomend? I would like to get mail from my snort without having to go in there and look at the logs. |
| 19:56.47 | berkes | stew: its for managing virtualhosts and stuff. |
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| 19:57.58 | JoshH | 1 hour to fix the server, 5 hours in a coffee shop |
| 19:58.31 | berkes | it made me conclude: ispconfig suxoorzz a lot more then webmin/virtualmin. I already concluded that by looking at the code. I now have real life proof. |
| 19:58.37 | berkes | JoshH: hehe :) |
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| 19:58.57 | stew | berkes: there is vhcs, but nothing i know of in debian |
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| 19:59.54 | berkes | stew: vhcs has even worse code then I can poop out on a satuday night when I come home from a pubcrawl :/ |
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| 20:00.06 | berkes | sorry If I offend anyone now.... :) |
| 20:00.30 | JoshH | i'm offended and reporting you to freenode admins |
| 20:00.55 | berkes | but yea, I looked at that, yet never tried it, so maybe in reality its great stuff. |
| 20:01.21 | stew | berkes: then ssh+vim |
| 20:01.24 | Thaiger | quit; |
| 20:02.24 | berkes | stew: I guess so. It sucks for reseller accounts, but yea. |
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| 20:02.59 | berkes | stew: so you have any good reasons for not liking webmin (virtualmin)? |
| 20:03.06 | rahul | haha |
| 20:03.12 | rahul | berkes: oh boy. |
| 20:03.17 | rahul | !webmin |
| 20:03.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 20:03.28 | Guerin | berkes: are there any reasons to like it? |
| 20:03.31 | stew | berkes: its has a history of major security flaws, as any such system would be prone to |
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| 20:03.37 | rahul | berkes: it doesn't keep up with the real config formats, for one |
| 20:03.42 | Guerin | other than `it's marginally less stupid than me' |
| 20:03.58 | stew | berkes: it also wasn't getting any good maintainence in debian, which is why it has been removed from debian and won't be in the next debian release |
| 20:04.01 | rahul | Guerin: you'd have to be quite stupid for that to be true.... |
| 20:04.06 | berkes | rahul: from all the web based virtual host admin tools it keps closest to the debian conf files. |
| 20:04.16 | rahul | berkes: which is VERY far away |
| 20:04.17 | Guerin | rahul: by definition, someone who thinks it's usable *is* |
| 20:04.25 | rahul | Guerin: aha! :) |
| 20:04.39 | nosbig | Anyone here ever try to tunnel serial traffic over ethernet? |
| 20:04.47 | Guerin | berkes: that's like saying `out of all the retarded children, you're the least retarded' |
| 20:04.54 | Eulex | berkes, just that they're not maintained anymore should turn you away from them... |
| 20:05.06 | berkes | I ask, because I did a large investigation of all the OSS virtual hosting administrators out there. and virtualmin comes out best. |
| 20:05.37 | berkes | note that I wont be using the webmin part itself, Its just for the FTP+apache+DNS admin. |
| 20:05.37 | rahul | berkes: shit still smells, even if it smells better than other shit |
| 20:05.39 | Guerin | berkes: nothing wrong with using an editor. |
| 20:05.56 | Guerin | half the time you still need to use an editor to fix *min's fuckups anyway |
| 20:06.24 | berkes | Guerin: problem is: I cant really tell Joe Schmoe to "use ssh and Vim if you need more emailaddresses" ;) |
| 20:06.49 | Guerin | berkes: there are webscripts to make more email addresses |
| 20:07.03 | nosbig | I have a developer here that wants to store all of the configuration for Asterisk in a MySQL database... What sort of success have people had with it? |
| 20:07.15 | berkes | Guerin: yea, and they smell worse then webmin 99% of the times. |
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| 20:07.16 | Guerin | berkes: and question 1 why not? and 2 `ok, I can do it for you for a small fee'. |
| 20:07.34 | grendal_prime | nosbig, if he has done it it might be good to look into. |
| 20:07.46 | Guerin | berkes: i've found that's not the case, since they get to be good at one thing, unlike webmin, which is shit at a lot of things |
| 20:08.06 | berkes | Guerin: I don't think we are going to change our whole business model around, just because Debian has no tools to let our clients do the simple work themselves =) |
| 20:08.07 | Guerin | i use postfixadmin for mail addresses, hosts, redirects etc. |
| 20:08.08 | grendal_prime | especially if you have a lot of cofigs that change alot |
| 20:08.18 | nosbig | He is developing the solution now, and AFAIK, Asterisk supports it... I am just leery of storing all of my configuration only in a MySQL db. |
| 20:08.48 | Guerin | berkes: if your business model is based on unsupportable software, then you probably should consider it. |
| 20:09.07 | Guerin | berkes: it was obsoleted by the debian maintainer because it was a nightmare to maintain. |
| 20:09.10 | berkes | Guerin: our business model is now running on plesk ..... |
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| 20:09.21 | Guerin | berkes: eew. |
| 20:09.26 | Guerin | shitty AND expensive |
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| 20:09.42 | berkes | wich as you all prolly know is FAR worse when it comes to config file standards and the stuff |
| 20:09.49 | Guerin | f'real |
| 20:10.10 | berkes | Guerin: right. so I am looking for a solution to replace that. So far no luck, hence I ask here if people know any. |
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| 20:10.32 | berkes | and no, vim + ssh is fine for me, but definately not a replacement for plesk :) |
| 20:10.39 | anacronique | comls |
| 20:10.51 | anacronique | dfsdfluxbox |
| 20:10.56 | nosbig | That's the biggest problem I have with his solution... He wants to build it and then Zend everything so nobody can look at the source code... It will authenticate to a server here for a subscription. |
| 20:10.58 | anacronique | fluxbox |
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| 20:11.06 | Ronin | what about it anacronique |
| 20:11.10 | trajan_ | i need some backup to fix my mbr please |
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| 20:11.18 | trajan_ | with grub |
| 20:11.21 | nosbig | For some reason, he refuses to use one of the OSS packages and add a security framework... |
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| 20:11.48 | Guerin | trajan_: /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 20:12.20 | berkes | stew: you mentioned vhcs, any experience with using it? |
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| 20:12.43 | stew | berkes: no |
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| 20:12.56 | trajan_ | humm Guerin no i use another way and it fails never try you're way but mine used to works |
| 20:13.07 | Guerin | trajan_: do so. |
| 20:13.23 | komposter | hello when will be made etch? now is 12th of december!!!! |
| 20:13.35 | stew | komposter: /topic |
| 20:13.38 | Guerin | komposter: /msg dpkg etch pool 1 for a sample of predictions |
| 20:13.40 | Eulex | komposter, it was delayed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111oneoneone |
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| 20:13.59 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 20:13.59 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 20:14.12 | Guerin | we need a song for etch |
| 20:14.30 | fireba11 | :-) |
| 20:14.31 | dererk[work] | does someone remember if it's possible to pass a parameter to a top to join all child process toghether ? |
| 20:14.50 | Guerin | dererk[work]: does TFM know? |
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| 20:15.00 | dererk[work] | Guerin, nothing on it |
| 20:15.05 | Guerin | mm |
| 20:15.11 | dererk[work] | but I'm almost sure I use it one |
| 20:15.14 | dererk[work] | but I'm almost sure I use it once * |
| 20:15.17 | Guerin | i'm sure there is a way to get it as a tree, but I forget how |
| 20:15.25 | CharminTheMoose | !ping |
| 20:15.25 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:15.34 | dererk[work] | no, not as a tree, for a tree you use pstree |
| 20:15.55 | dererk[work] | I'm looking to sum up all childs togheter to see them as a whole progress |
| 20:16.23 | unlink | grr, why doesn't RCSINIT understand -l? |
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| 20:17.34 | gentgeen__ | here is a shot in the dark... configuring request-tracker3.4 on a Debian Stable... the config file is a Perl file (RT_SiteConfig.pm) and I need to put our timezone... what would be a valid entry? any guesses? |
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| 20:17.52 | gentgeen__ | sorry... US-Eastern Timezone |
| 20:18.40 | naitram | trying to get inetd.conf to start the tftp server, have line configured, how do i know if its running? |
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| 20:20.23 | wondr | can i use the minimal bootable cd image to install a more recent version of debian than sarge? |
| 20:20.23 | javaJake | Is there some way to have wget spider through local pages recursively, or some other program perhaps, and then report pages that aren't found? |
| 20:20.25 | unlink | naitram: the point of inetd is so that it doesn't run |
| 20:20.40 | unlink | naitram: if you want to test to see if it works, simply try connecting |
| 20:20.40 | peterS | naitram: if you use a tftp client and it works, then it's running |
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| 20:20.55 | peterS | unlink: heh - tftp doesn't "connect" though, it's udp-based, it just sends requests |
| 20:21.18 | javaJake | Ack, forget it... |
| 20:21.23 | javaJake | bye |
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| 20:22.25 | wondr | specifically, can i use the net-install image to install etch? |
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| 20:22.39 | grendal_prime | so basically, i need to remove all stable sources when i do this (dist upgrade) other wise i just get an error |
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| 20:22.43 | heh_v_water | nmap -vvv localhost -sU << check for tftp server |
| 20:23.02 | rahul | heh_v_water: yeah, that's smart |
| 20:23.20 | rahul | heh_v_water: about as smart as putting your fingers into an electric socket |
| 20:23.30 | heh_v_water | rahul? |
| 20:23.46 | blondie | rahul: you must have tiny fingers for that to work. |
| 20:24.07 | rahul | blondie: shurg. |
| 20:24.34 | rahul | heh_v_water: why wouldn't you just LOOK for a damn tftp server package? |
| 20:24.51 | rahul | or use netstat -tupl |
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| 20:25.22 | heh_v_water | rahul: lots of ways to get the same job done.. seems "smart" is a relative thing which you grade according to the way you get your things done |
| 20:25.46 | rahul | heh_v_water: not really |
| 20:25.56 | rahul | I'm talking about the _reliable_ way |
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| 20:26.22 | n3kl | Anyone know of a good snort log parser? |
| 20:26.23 | rahul | heh_v_water: what you're doing is like using seismic analysis to find oil if drilling is easier |
| 20:26.36 | househead | hi all |
| 20:26.37 | heh_v_water | rahul, seeing the server listening would definitely be most definitive |
| 20:26.40 | peterS | yeah 'netstat -l | grep tftp' is a great deal simpler for the same approach |
| 20:26.58 | rahul | heh_v_water: wrong |
| 20:26.59 | househead | i am having serious probs with mysql postfix / courier auth |
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| 20:27.18 | househead | i've rtfm a number of times and i'm totally stuck |
| 20:27.23 | rahul | heh_v_water: you could have a wacky iptables setup |
| 20:27.28 | househead | anyone care to help me? |
| 20:27.33 | heh_v_water | you could sure |
| 20:27.36 | heh_v_water | not me ;P |
| 20:27.45 | househead | lol |
| 20:27.53 | househead | furry muff |
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| 20:28.27 | infernix | !ask |
| 20:28.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 20:30.23 | heh_v_water | rahul,btw where were you when the question was asked.. i didn't see you offering any sort of help other than to correct someone with one plausible solution so I would have to say if you had no plan of offering some sort of help to the person then stfu |
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| 20:30.40 | shwag | route add -net 192.168.1.0 192.168.6.1 |
| 20:31.28 | rahul | heh_v_water: I was in a different window. so get a clue, dipshit. |
| 20:31.33 | rahul | wtf |
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| 20:31.51 | stew | rahul: there is no need for name calling. please stop that |
| 20:31.55 | rahul | heh_v_water: am I your attendant that I have to be following you around cleaning up your messes? |
| 20:32.08 | Neaai | Hello all. Can someone please explain how to use update-alternatives? I'm struggling with a message from Xen (xend) complaining it can't find version xyz and falling to default. But it should be there for there is a link to it in /etc/alternatives |
| 20:32.12 | heh_v_water | rahul, grow up please |
| 20:32.26 | stew | heh_v_water: rahul: drop it. move on. use /ignore if you must |
| 20:32.28 | rahul | heh_v_water: yes, I'm the one that needs to grow up. right. |
| 20:32.40 | househead | k, i am trying to use debian sarge to implement a mailserver with mysql backend. postfix is my mta, courier is my imap server. myql db is working as far as vmail and maildrop etc are concerened, however i cannot auth using a number of combinations - saslauthd + pam, authmysqlrc, and authdaemon + pam. I've checked and double-checked my configs and can't find any mistakes |
| 20:32.42 | heh_v_water | stew, done |
| 20:33.06 | househead | i currently have the mailserver running fine authenticating system users |
| 20:33.06 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.21 | househead | how can i make mysql imap/smtp auth more verbose? |
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| 20:33.31 | stew | rahul: then learn to control yourself |
| 20:33.31 | househead | my logs simply report a failed attempt |
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| 20:33.47 | rahul | stew: I don't take well to random idiots insulting me because they're ignorant |
| 20:33.54 | heh_v_water | lol |
| 20:33.55 | stew | rahul: then leave |
| 20:34.02 | rahul | this channel is about that? |
| 20:34.15 | heh_v_water | seems he was the random idiot with the initial insult I just defended myself |
| 20:34.20 | peterS | rahul: you were the one who started it. deal. |
| 20:34.23 | rahul | um |
| 20:34.42 | PepperBob | hey all. my cron puts a those messages in my local mail box. is there a way to send this stuff via a remote smtp to a mail address? |
| 20:34.56 | rahul | heh_v_water: you defended yourself by randomly saying shit that doesn't make sense |
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| 20:35.03 | peterS | drop. it. |
| 20:35.04 | heh_v_water | lol |
| 20:35.07 | heh_v_water | geezus |
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| 20:35.25 | asg | PepperBob: use an alias, use procmail, put a MAILTO=<foo> in the crontab or script |
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| 20:35.41 | stew | both of you can take 10 minutes off |
| 20:35.53 | stew | househead: are you having trouble with imap or smtp or both? |
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| 20:36.52 | stew | househead: make sure that you ahve a authdaemon.mysql process (or something similarly named) running |
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| 20:40.07 | naitram | lots of usefull comments before to my question and a whole lot of chatter too, so do I or do i not need a line in my inetd.conf for tftp to run? |
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| 20:41.59 | tarzeau | !dir |
| 20:41.59 | dpkg | wrong OS, foo. CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
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| 20:43.27 | peterS | naitram: yes. please paste the line you are using now, I'll tell you if it looks reasonabl |
| 20:43.30 | peterS | +e |
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| 20:43.59 | peterS | naitram: in fact I'll paste the one _I_ am using: tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/tftpboot |
| 20:44.01 | PepperBob | asg: erm.. procmail is for incoming mail processing. actually i just want to receive mail messages not on the local system but on my email account. there is a smtp i could use so i do not want to setup another mail server. |
| 20:44.04 | wondr | im installing etch from the business card iso and it keeps saying Packages.gz is corrupt, regardless of the mirror i choose. any ideas? |
| 20:44.52 | naitram | peterS: is that in the boot section |
| 20:44.54 | peterS | naitram: it's in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 20:45.03 | asg | PepperBob: procmail can also redirect those local emails to another system. I'd suggest just putting MAILTO=me@bar in the crontab or script. |
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| 20:45.19 | peterS | naitram: the section doesn't matter, inetd reads each line independently, the section is just for looks |
| 20:45.31 | PepperBob | asg: ok. the alias should be for "mail" ? |
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| 20:46.12 | peterS | wondr: hrrrm, that should not happen. but some of the ftp.us.debian.org mirrors were having problems a few days ago, try other countries |
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| 20:46.31 | wondr | will do, thx |
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| 20:46.41 | asg | PepperBob: /etc/aliases. However, that will cause all mail to the user running the cron job to be routed somewhere else. If that's what you want, great. |
| 20:46.53 | peterS | wondr: in particular, ftp.de.debian.org seems to pretty much always be reliable and reasonably fast |
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| 20:47.36 | wondr | peters: got the same thing from ucalgary, trying germany now |
| 20:47.56 | PepperBob | asg: exactly what i want. so i wouldn't need to view those messages on the local system via ssh session... |
| 20:48.22 | asg | PepperBob: correct |
| 20:48.31 | naitram | peterS: yeah, ok. will try again |
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| 20:48.41 | PepperBob | thx. |
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| 20:49.37 | Kitu | hello |
| 20:49.41 | wondr | peters: same thing with ftp.de.debian.org. is it possible this is an indication of a local problem on the system im installing on? the ethernet interface came up fine and has a good address and default route. |
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| 20:50.09 | Kitu | can i have a good mirror to dl mplayer package please ? |
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| 20:50.26 | peterS | Kitu: ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mplayer/ |
| 20:50.37 | Kitu | thx |
| 20:50.54 | Kitu | but ... |
| 20:51.01 | Kitu | i thinked to |
| 20:51.07 | peterS | wondr: yeah, I don't know. I'm afraid I don't know how to track down TCP data corruption of that sort. look in the installer logs (alt-f3 or alt-f4 or some such) to see if it has any clues |
| 20:51.10 | Kitu | a mirror deb |
| 20:51.16 | Kitu | on this site for example |
| 20:51.17 | Kitu | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors-testing.html |
| 20:51.26 | wondr | peters: will do, thanks. |
| 20:51.34 | Kitu | but i don't know whitch choose |
| 20:51.41 | Ick | i'm getting an error that there are too many users connected to the ftp.us.debian server |
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| 20:52.25 | peterS | Ick: you probably got the IP address belonging to mirrors.kernel.org, which has been rather busy serving a new version of OpenSUSE lately |
| 20:52.25 | gizmatix | sup? |
| 20:52.25 | peterS | Ick: so just try again |
| 20:52.25 | iNToIT | sup? |
| 20:52.25 | Kitu | ok sorry i tell "nawak" |
| 20:52.34 | Kitu | i'm a stupid french |
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| 20:53.40 | Kitu | the dl is low yes |
| 20:53.52 | Kitu | very very low |
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| 20:54.16 | yassine | aptitude bokes and drops this erros guys im clueless any ideas ? . http://rafb.net/paste/results/948jYo75.html |
| 20:55.33 | Kitu | what is guys ? |
| 20:55.33 | Kitu | lol |
| 20:55.35 | gizmatix | ? |
| 20:56.37 | Kitu | type ? |
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| 20:57.11 | Kitu | i have a problem with apt too |
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| 20:57.32 | Kitu | W: GPG error: http://mirror.home-dn.net testing Release: Les signatures suivantes n'ont pas pu être vérifiées car la clé publique n'est pas disponible : NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 20:57.36 | iturk | hi there my friends i would like to know which services are active in my machine and in which port !! is there any generic command ?? |
| 20:57.43 | Kitu | on apt-get update |
| 20:57.48 | Kitu | i have this message |
| 20:57.51 | asg | iturk: netstat |
| 20:57.52 | JacquelineG | any idea when ooo 2.1 will start leaking into repositories? |
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| 20:58.36 | Kitu | itchi ps -e |
| 20:58.41 | Kitu | iturk ps -e |
| 20:58.52 | stew | iturk: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 20:59.28 | stew | JacquelineG: ask #debian-oo on irc.debian.org |
| 20:59.38 | iturk | great |
| 20:59.41 | JacquelineG | k thanks |
| 20:59.46 | Kitu | grrrrr |
| 20:59.54 | yassine | stew, do you happen to know how i could solve such dependencies conflict ending with aptitude breaking : http://rafb.net/paste/results/948jYo75.html |
| 21:00.12 | Kitu | what english for "j'en ai marre" ? |
| 21:00.14 | Kitu | :( |
| 21:00.28 | asg | !tell Kitu about fr |
| 21:00.46 | Kitu | lol |
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| 21:01.04 | stew | yassine: yikes. how would /var/lib/dpkg/info/ksirc.list have gone missing? |
| 21:01.09 | stew | yassine: filesystem corruption? |
| 21:01.29 | stew | yassine: have you fscked recently? are you running reiserfs? |
| 21:01.45 | yassine | no i have tried aptitude purge ksirc too but nothing helps |
| 21:01.50 | iturk | my question its more because my machine its very slow !! i reallize that by typing ps -e i have a lot of postmaster and apache2 !! is there any way to optimize this ?? |
| 21:02.06 | yassine | stew, no im running ext3 |
| 21:02.09 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 21:02.15 | stew | yassine: what does "ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/ksirc.list" say? |
| 21:02.24 | yassine | second |
| 21:02.33 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to configure bootsplash on 2.6.18-3? (unstable) Tx |
| 21:02.41 | yassine | stew, ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ksirc.list: No such file or directory |
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| 21:03.00 | stew | yassine: does "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ksirc*" return any .debs? |
| 21:03.07 | yassine | one sec |
| 21:04.19 | yassine | stew, this : /var/cache/apt/archives/ksirc_4%3a3.5.5-3_i386.deb |
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| 21:04.56 | stew | yassine: maybe try "aptitude reinstall ksirc" then aptitude remove ksirc ? |
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| 21:07.09 | yassine | stew, breaks too : http://rafb.net/paste/results/zNcYQw97.html |
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| 21:08.46 | stew | yassine: what about dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/ksirc_4%3a3.5.5-3_i386.deb ? |
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| 21:09.01 | yassine | let me try that |
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| 21:11.59 | yassine | stew, i was able to install it but when i run aptitude and try to make an update i get this : http://rafb.net/paste/results/XYpI2283.html |
| 21:12.07 | sohmestra | does the courier-authmysql in debian support passwords of the format {HASH METHOD}hashed_password? |
| 21:12.40 | abrotman | the docs don't say ? |
| 21:13.03 | stew | sohmestra: no |
| 21:13.27 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to configure bootsplash on 2.6.18-3? (unstable) Tx |
| 21:13.49 | stew | abrotman: doens't matter anymore |
| 21:13.55 | stew | abrotman: that dude ran out of money |
| 21:14.31 | abrotman | paid for your house eh? :) |
| 21:14.44 | stew | yassine: what version of debian is this? |
| 21:14.51 | yassine | stew, etch |
| 21:14.55 | stew | abrotman: his clients stiffed him |
| 21:15.06 | stew | yassine: what version of tex-common do you have installed? |
| 21:15.19 | abrotman | stew: was this the african company guy ? |
| 21:15.22 | yassine | stew, let me search for it |
| 21:15.29 | stew | yassine: dpkg -l tex-common" |
| 21:15.34 | stew | without that random " |
| 21:15.36 | stew | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | that stinks |
| 21:16.24 | yassine | stew, rc tex-common 0.39 Common infrastructure for using and building TeX in Debian |
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| 21:16.36 | hayduke | Do I need XGL to make Beryl run if I have a GeForce 4 Ti and can't run the 97xx BETA drivers (I have X.Org 7.1)? |
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| 21:18.40 | abrotman | there is no xgl in debian |
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| 21:20.16 | diesel | If I have a package (specifically postfix_2.1.5-9_i386.deb) and want to install this package, what is the best way to do this so that the exim packages are removed. The machine that I want to install this on does not have access to the internet |
| 21:20.22 | stew | yassine: hrm, so maybe thats a bug tetex-base, its tryingto call update-language which is in tex-common which isn't installed, you should probably file a bug about this one |
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| 21:21.11 | DrMitch | has anyone used slackware and switched to debian? i want a reason to switch |
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| 21:21.14 | yassine | stew, any logs that could be relevant for the devs ? |
| 21:22.00 | stew | yassine: the output of "apt-get remove --purge tetex-base ; apt-cache policy tetex-base tex-common" |
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| 21:23.03 | stew | diesel: you could put the deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, then run "apt-get install postfix" |
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| 21:23.22 | [GABRI] | Hi people anyone have debian with rt2500 driver? |
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| 21:24.52 | diesel | stew: nice...that is what i will do |
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| 21:25.37 | h3sp4wn | [GABRI]: I use the driver in rt2x00-source (Any version in sarge would be far too old) |
| 21:25.46 | DavidProck1981 | thank god |
| 21:26.10 | h3sp4wn | [GABRI]: Works ok - hostapd (with the devicescape driver) is semi reliable client mode works fine (better than any other driver) |
| 21:28.05 | yassine | stew, does this http://rafb.net/paste/results/YZRtZZ73.html looks meaningsfull for the devs ? |
| 21:28.05 | DavidProck1981 | i did not have the net for over a day, and because of that i learn something on my own |
| 21:28.05 | [GABRI] | mm h3sp4wn i have a problem http://rafb.net/paste/results/l4aBiI41.html |
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| 21:28.06 | h3sp4wn | [GABRI]: That is a different driver to the one I use (and I cannot understand your language) |
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| 21:28.06 | helo_ | stew: i've been messing round with this hal/ivman thing, and apparently it is completely unrelated to ivman |
| 21:28.06 | stew | yassine: yeah. you might consider fixing the apt-listchanges problem thoug |
| 21:28.06 | stew | helo_: yay for me :) |
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| 21:28.08 | MmikeDOMA | Is there a lm-sensors plugin for munin? |
| 21:28.08 | helo_ | stew: i can insert the thumb drive, mount it manually, and remove it (without umounting), and i get the same behavior with hal's lack of awareness |
| 21:28.18 | yassine | stew, any idea how i could fix it ? |
| 21:28.25 | stew | helo_: you could also ask #hal about that |
| 21:28.29 | helo_ | hmm |
| 21:28.33 | h3sp4wn | [GABRI]: Actually the driver I use needs a minimum of 2.6.17 kernel (maybe try backports) |
| 21:28.45 | SpeS | hi, I'm trying to install a kernel module for rt2500 wireless PCI card... and I get at boot: Can't find /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep But I do have that file!! what happens here? |
| 21:28.47 | h3sp4wn | [GABRI]: Otherwise try building using module-assistant |
| 21:29.42 | stew | yassine: maybe "touch /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20listchanges" if not you could debug the prerm script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/apt-listchanges.prerm |
| 21:30.05 | DavidProck1981 | Has any one ever install debian and Uncheck the Desktop Environment option, and just leave the Standard Base/System Checked, and when that is done do aptitude install kde and what ever else u need, Anyone? |
| 21:30.08 | SpeS | I can make it work loading it with insmod, but I want to load it also with modprobe, what do I need for that? |
| 21:30.34 | stew | DavidProck1981: lots of people |
| 21:30.55 | DavidProck1981 | well i did and i get this peobleb |
| 21:30.58 | stew | SpeS: "depmod -a" |
| 21:31.01 | kmu | i did a very minimal sarge installation and am trying to add my apt repositories. right now i only have deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/update main contrib. i need to get more packages (like subversion). what repos do i need to add? |
| 21:31.04 | DavidProck1981 | problem..... |
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| 21:31.18 | stew | kmu: run "apt-setup" |
| 21:31.24 | SpeS | stew: I did depmode 2.6.8, and the file IS there... |
| 21:31.40 | kmu | stew: thanks! |
| 21:31.57 | nosbig | DavidProck1981, I did that last night... |
| 21:32.03 | stew | SpeS: what does "ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep" say? |
| 21:32.10 | nosbig | Perfect for our application. |
| 21:32.49 | SpeS | stew: -rw-r--r-- 1 root r-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 229342 2006-12-12 22:18 /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/modules.dep |
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| 21:33.05 | SpeS | stew: but I'm compiling other kernel, which I can't boot |
| 21:33.05 | nosbig | DavidProck1981, what problem are you seeing? |
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| 21:33.57 | sohmestra | DrMitch: I used slackware 7.x for a while a long time ago, and I switched to debian. |
| 21:34.11 | DavidProck1981 | i go to contorl center to enable the net cause after EVERY FUCKING RESTART it cuts it's self off / disable the connection and in the control panel it will not let me cut it on and say i have to do it manuly so i figure this command out and it works "update-inetd --verbose --enable SERVICE" and it works, BUT i HAVE to do it on every restart/shutdown, any one know whay, and is in the same boat that im in? |
| 21:34.18 | DavidProck1981 | nosbig? |
| 21:34.23 | sohmestra | DrMitch: does that do the trick? ;o) |
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| 21:35.09 | stew | DavidProck1981: which service are you talking about? |
| 21:35.18 | DavidProck1981 | eth1 |
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| 21:35.35 | stew | DavidProck1981: which inetd service? |
| 21:35.36 | DavidProck1981 | is disable after every restart |
| 21:35.43 | DavidProck1981 | ya the inetd |
| 21:35.44 | MmikeDOMA | SpeS, are you using initramfs and forgot to run initramfs-update...? |
| 21:35.45 | nosbig | Check /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:35.52 | stew | DavidProck1981: which service in /etc/inetd.conf? |
| 21:36.16 | nosbig | You should have a line that reads "auto lo eth1" |
| 21:36.26 | nosbig | If it does not list eth1, add it. |
| 21:36.38 | SpeS | MmikeDOMA: I've used mkinitrd -o /boot/newImageFile to create the image, and configured grub |
| 21:36.49 | Dembug | hey guys, im using some new duo hardware, ive recently installed the 2.6.19-rc3 backport, works great btw (has all the drivers on disk). I've had no problems until ive introduced md0 into the kernel, the backport installer installs the RAID fine and it boots with initrd, when i copy config and recompile in smp and highmem etc I get a wrong magic error, would it be safe to use my backport initrd-img to mount the same thing, if s |
| 21:36.51 | stew | DavidProck1981: exactly what command to you type "update-inetd --verbose --enable SERVICE" but what is "SERVICE"? |
| 21:36.58 | stew | SpeS: did you build your kernel with make-kpkg? |
| 21:37.11 | stew | SpeS: what exact command did you use to create /lib/modules/2.6.8/modules.dep? |
| 21:37.17 | SpeS | MmikeDOMA: the problem is that at boot time it can't find the file modules.dep, but it's there! |
| 21:37.18 | DavidProck1981 | i never look ing the file i just discover that "update-inetd --verbose --enable SERVICE" will let me get back on the net |
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| 21:37.32 | SpeS | stew: no, I did it the other way |
| 21:37.34 | DavidProck1981 | that COMMAND exzactly |
| 21:37.57 | pickcoder | DavidProck1981: that's not correct |
| 21:37.57 | l3mr | i know this is not a debian problem, so please forgive me: my providers dns servers seem down, and now dns resolution (obviously) doesn't work. are there free dns servers or anything like that? is there something i can do to fix this? |
| 21:38.10 | Dembug | sure there is l3mr |
| 21:38.13 | SpeS | stew: I did make -C path/to/kernel/sources SUBDIR=$PWD |
| 21:38.23 | stew | SpeS: man depmod |
| 21:38.24 | SpeS | stew: and make modules, and modules_install, and install |
| 21:38.29 | Dembug | http://www.s5h.net/dnsproxy |
| 21:38.30 | Dembug | :) |
| 21:38.32 | stew | SpeS: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 21:38.44 | l3mr | Dembug: i can't resolve s5h.net |
| 21:38.51 | l3mr | :/ |
| 21:38.51 | stew | DavidProck1981: man interfaces ; update-inetd has nothing to do with your ethernet card |
| 21:39.10 | DavidProck1981 | then i can use the control panel to cut it on ONLY if i do "update-inetd --verbose --enable SERVICE" else it gives me a error sayng i have to manualy do it |
| 21:39.12 | Dembug | hey guys, im using some new duo hardware, ive recently installed the 2.6.19-rc3 backport, works great btw (has all the drivers on disk). I've had no problems until ive introduced md0 into the kernel, the backport installer installs the RAID fine and it boots with initrd, when i copy config and recompile in smp and highmem etc I get a wrong magic error, would it be safe to use my backport initrd-img to mount the same thing, if s |
| 21:39.18 | Dembug | ^ sorry to repeat, just tried this, doenst work :< |
| 21:39.37 | SpeS | stew: Ok, I'll read even more, and will be back, thanks :) |
| 21:39.48 | Dembug | l3mr no kidding |
| 21:39.50 | stew | DavidProck1981: inetd.conf has nothing to do with your network connection |
| 21:40.09 | stew | DavidProck1981: man interfaces ; you need to setup your ineterfaces file for eth1 |
| 21:40.38 | Dembug | check pm l3mr |
| 21:40.39 | l3mr | Dembug: obviously :/ |
| 21:40.48 | Dembug | oh ghey |
| 21:40.57 | DavidProck1981 | stew: ok then besides the fact how i get it working again, WHY would my Eth0 disable it self EVERY time the system is cut on or a restart is done |
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| 21:41.28 | l3mr | :) |
| 21:41.55 | stew | DavidProck1981: becuase you have not configured your ethernet card to automatically be brought up at boot time |
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| 21:42.32 | DavidProck1981 | i have, but it un does it's self how do i make it keep the settings |
| 21:42.49 | Dembug | hey guys im having some serious problems with debian 2.6.19-rc3 with md0 raid 1 |
| 21:42.53 | stew | DavidProck1981: which? eth1 or eth0? you have said both |
| 21:43.00 | tarzeau | Dembug: build your own kernel? |
| 21:43.03 | DavidProck1981 | eth0 |
| 21:43.05 | Dembug | i am building my own kernel mate |
| 21:43.06 | Dembug | ;/ |
| 21:43.07 | tarzeau | there's 2.6.19.1 |
| 21:43.08 | Mazingaro | please, does 2.8.18-3 need to be patched for bootsplash??? |
| 21:43.15 | Dembug | the backport default works fine |
| 21:43.17 | stew | DavidProck1981: can you put your /etc/network/interfaces into a pastebin? |
| 21:43.27 | Dembug | im using the config, and a matched vanilla |
| 21:43.29 | infernix | i've got about 30 harddisks here varying from 4 to 20GB. any creative ideas on what to do with them? anything goes :) |
| 21:43.40 | Dembug | can't see why it thinks the magic is wrong - ;\ |
| 21:43.41 | DavidProck1981 | what is the pastebin site, i dont remember it |
| 21:43.45 | pickcoder | infernix: platter party? |
| 21:43.45 | infernix | !paste |
| 21:43.46 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:43.52 | tarzeau | infernix: ide? |
| 21:43.54 | infernix | pickcoder: elaborate |
| 21:43.57 | infernix | tarzeau: all of them |
| 21:44.01 | tarzeau | infernix: sort them by loudness |
| 21:44.11 | pickcoder | infernix: glue... string... solder.. etc |
| 21:44.22 | pickcoder | drill bits and saws for added fun |
| 21:44.48 | pickcoder | make a huge drive platter mobile |
| 21:44.53 | tarzeau | infernix: remove the motors, and make something like tinguely did in small |
| 21:45.10 | SpeS | does the kernel sources dir has to be named like any special thing? |
| 21:45.10 | Dembug | :D |
| 21:45.11 | tarzeau | infernix: put some magnets onto the drives, then read/write from it |
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| 21:45.19 | stew | SpeS: no |
| 21:45.20 | tarzeau | infernix: like public shell server |
| 21:45.26 | SpeS | or, there are any special trick with names? |
| 21:45.34 | tarzeau | infernix: and show the seconds it takes until the system gets unstable on a web page |
| 21:45.35 | stew | SpeS: no. /msg dpkg kp |
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| 21:45.48 | SpeS | stew: ok |
| 21:45.55 | SpeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.00 | tarzeau | infernix: count the seconds it takes until a harddisk stops working when you put it into water |
| 21:46.02 | SpeS | emm.. ok ^_^ |
| 21:46.33 | tarzeau | infernix: remove the protective case, and write some software to steer the read/write heads |
| 21:46.48 | DavidProck1981 | ok here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/4787 |
| 21:46.48 | infernix | tarzeau: i saw that already. someone turned one into a clock |
| 21:46.55 | tarzeau | infernix: put a bell near it, and make it ring the bell |
| 21:47.01 | pickcoder | how about a gyroscopic device |
| 21:47.02 | stew | DavidProck1981: man interfaces |
| 21:47.25 | pickcoder | like a camera balancer |
| 21:47.29 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:47.37 | Dembug | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.19-rc3/2.6.19-rc3-mm1/broken-out/struct-path-convert-cramfs.patch <--- can anybody confirm if this is the magic cramfs patch? |
| 21:47.39 | pickcoder | all you have to do is carry around a 12V car batter |
| 21:47.43 | pickcoder | +y |
| 21:47.47 | SpeS | is there any advantage in compiling the kernel the "debian" way? I feel quite comfortable with the standard way, and changing that now... I could break some thing :) |
| 21:47.57 | tarzeau | SpeS: yes, do use make-kpkg |
| 21:48.11 | tarzeau | SpeS: boot laoder gets updated automatic. |
| 21:48.16 | tarzeau | SpeS: you can remove it easily |
| 21:48.22 | tarzeau | SpeS: distribute it easily too |
| 21:48.27 | SpeS | I like to configure grub manually |
| 21:48.29 | infernix | SpeS: the advantage lies mostly in that debian kernels come with extra patches to increase stability and compatibility |
| 21:48.35 | tarzeau | SpeS: like i do, http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.19.1/ |
| 21:48.40 | SpeS | I need it, I have a strange configuration... |
| 21:48.45 | pickcoder | SpeS: kpkg makes kernel management a lot easier |
| 21:48.56 | tarzeau | SpeS: nobody stops you from configuring your strange grub |
| 21:48.59 | pickcoder | took me a couple times before I felt comfortable, but it's fairly easy to learn |
| 21:48.59 | DavidProck1981 | is that file incorrect http://channels.debian.net/paste/4787 |
| 21:49.05 | stew | DavidProck1981: yes |
| 21:49.16 | stew | DavidProck1981: you've been told several times why and where to read about fixing it |
| 21:49.17 | SpeS | aham, I see, well I'll read more about it |
| 21:49.24 | stew | DavidProck1981: but you never actually listen |
| 21:49.33 | stew | i have to remember not to bother trying to help him. its painful |
| 21:49.33 | pickcoder | SpeS: the best thing is you can bundle your modules by kernel |
| 21:49.34 | DavidProck1981 | told why, when |
| 21:49.40 | infernix | too bad that IDE interfaces are pricy and so crazy incompatible. I'd stick 4x4ports IDE in an old board and run a 16x4GB raid0 |
| 21:49.42 | pickcoder | SpeS: and remove the modules as an individual package |
| 21:49.46 | pickcoder | SpeS: remove/update/etc |
| 21:49.48 | DavidProck1981 | i must not have seen the text |
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| 21:51.11 | dendrite | DavidProck1981: 16:46 < stew> DavidProck1981: man interfaces |
| 21:51.21 | SpeS | pickcoder: well, sounds complicated to start from ground now, but I'll try, thanks :) |
| 21:51.34 | stew | DavidProck1981: and someone else told you "auto eth0" and i told you "you have not configured your ethernet card to automatically be brought up at boot time" |
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| 21:51.37 | kmu | what do i need to add in my sources.list to get access to the packages listed in http://packages.debian.org/unstable/ ? |
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| 21:52.02 | dendrite | kmu: You don't want to add unstable to your sources. Really. |
| 21:52.11 | jovans | can everybody tell how can i take a fresh etch install with kde on top? |
| 21:52.13 | blondie | kmu: if you don't know, you shouldn't |
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| 21:52.28 | Karamon | Hello, I remember looking at a graph saying how many programs in unstable are actually "unstable" can anyone point me to this resource? |
| 21:52.33 | kmu | i'm running a vm. no worries. |
| 21:52.43 | Karamon | I have tried googling it but haven't found much.. |
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| 21:52.45 | kmu | i need a package from there |
| 21:53.06 | g333k_laptop | is there any app to scan all the wifi networks around here? I'm trying wifi-radar but it seems be out of date |
| 21:53.15 | blondie | g333k_laptop: kismet? |
| 21:53.24 | dendrite | kmu: man sources.list |
| 21:53.31 | jovans | nobody knows? |
| 21:53.32 | cydork | g333k_laptop: iwlist scan :P |
| 21:53.34 | stew | g333k_laptop: "iwlist scanning" |
| 21:54.23 | g333k_laptop | what about front ends? |
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| 21:54.28 | cydork | !win me |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, cydork! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 21:54.31 | shwag | I want to setup the Linked Tables feature of phpmyadmin, but the package installed with apt-get is missing the create_tables.sql file that was suppose to be in scripts/ |
| 21:54.53 | infernix | g333k_laptop: kismet is the best out there |
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| 21:55.04 | g333k_laptop | infernix, ok thanks |
| 21:55.14 | helo_ | stew: apparently something is unmounting my thumb drive before udev even gets a shot at it, so pumount -l isn't being called... which is the requisite command to keep hal happy |
| 21:55.46 | kritical | Can anyone recommend an open-source boot cd designed to test hardware? |
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| 21:56.12 | Emiml | hello |
| 21:56.26 | DavidProck1981 | ok i think i got it fixed |
| 21:56.34 | Synapsse_ | hello |
| 21:57.53 | kmu | dendrite: thanks |
| 21:58.20 | dendrite | kmu: Note that messing with unstable is likely to cause breakage. So make sure that VM is dispensible... |
| 21:58.32 | helo_ | stew: any idea what might be unmounting before udev? |
| 21:58.33 | yassine | stew, |
| 21:58.49 | kmu | dendrite: right. i backed up before installing |
| 21:59.27 | Flimzy | "ip_conntrack: table full, dropping packet." is showing up in my system logs... how can I see how many ip_conntrack entries exist? |
| 21:59.44 | helo_ | kritical: testing what kinds of hardware? memory tests? hard drive sectors? |
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| 22:01.04 | Emiml | I'm trying to build package with cddbs, but autotools are a bit broken, so after generating Makefiles I need to call sed few times. Where should I put my sed rules ? |
| 22:01.50 | jovans | can everybody tell me how to install debian etch with kde as default? |
| 22:01.51 | stew | Emiml: i'd recommend asking in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (but don't be suprised when people tell you to ditch cdbs :) ) |
| 22:01.57 | infernix | !install kde |
| 22:01.57 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:03.04 | jovans | shoud i install only debian base without x an then do a apt-get install kde kde-i18-de ? |
| 22:03.29 | infernix | it used to be netstat -M back in the masquerading days, no idea for conntrack tbh. probably somewhere under /proc |
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| 22:03.50 | infernix | yup, cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack |
| 22:04.05 | DavidProck1981 | one more question. this time i have come a lot closer to getting my video card working correctly, In fact it seams to work perfictly for about a min. But at different times i get these different errors and it will crach on them, the one i will list first happens the most and after about a minuit of game play, "could not build mipmaps" AND "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): St9bad_alloc" AND |
| 22:04.18 | kritical | helo_: cpu and motherboard mainly |
| 22:04.23 | Dembug | hey guys, im using some new duo hardware, ive recently installed the 2.6.19-rc3 backport, works great btw (has all the drivers on disk). I've had no problems until ive introduced md0 into the kernel, the backport installer installs the RAID fine and it boots with initrd, when i copy config and recompile in smp and highmem etc I get a wrong magic error, is there a way to compile without cramfs --initrd without getting a root= er |
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| 22:06.30 | piper69 | i need help with the command 'cat' i know that i can use this command to print that out put of a e.g 'ls -a' to a text file, can someone show me how please, i tried info cat and man cat but they didn't talk about this option at all |
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| 22:06.46 | infernix | kritical: http://www.stresslinux.org/ perhaps? |
| 22:06.51 | helo_ | kritical: so you want to run a cpu burning kinda test? stress testing? |
| 22:07.07 | MoDaX | piper69: ls -a > filename |
| 22:07.13 | kml | is there a debian distro for ps3? |
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| 22:07.40 | piper69 | MoDaX: can you please explain that command for me |
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| 22:08.03 | Dembug | lol pipeline |
| 22:08.03 | kritical | Well basically I just scored a new motherboard+cpu for my server.. which could be good.. or could be shit |
| 22:08.07 | Dembug | piper69 www.google.com :P |
| 22:08.08 | l3mr | !> |
| 22:08.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, > is redirection of stdout to a file. |
| 22:08.13 | piper69 | MoDaX: i don't want to come here and ask all this stupid questions |
| 22:08.20 | Dembug | lol |
| 22:08.24 | l3mr | !tell piper69 about > |
| 22:08.28 | infernix | piper69: cat /location/to/some/file will output the contents of that file on your terminal (screen) |
| 22:08.38 | Dembug | can someone help me with my 2.6.19-rc3 debian kernel? |
| 22:08.42 | MoDaX | !cat |
| 22:08.42 | dpkg | methinks cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog> |
| 22:08.48 | piper69 | Dembug: i would but what shall i ask google |
| 22:08.52 | Dembug | Im having a right wally fest with it, and initrd "wrong magic" |
| 22:08.53 | kritical | infernix: that looks like what I'm after =)\ |
| 22:09.06 | infernix | kritical: google. use it :) |
| 22:09.14 | Dembug | I know the debian maintainers have provided a magic cramfs , but im looking for the right one :< |
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| 22:09.27 | DavidProck1981 | kml all the PS3 is , Is just another comptutor |
| 22:09.59 | l3mr | Dembug: what's the exact problem? |
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| 22:10.10 | Dembug | well.. I'll start again :) |
| 22:10.15 | Dembug | I run duo boxxens |
| 22:10.19 | piper69 | Dembug: google it hahahahah |
| 22:10.19 | Dembug | (lots of them soon) |
| 22:10.26 | abrotman | there's a 2.6.19rc3 in debian ? |
| 22:10.27 | Dembug | ive been googling it for hours.. |
| 22:10.33 | Dembug | yes 2.6.19-rc3 backport |
| 22:10.33 | Dembug | :) |
| 22:10.36 | Dembug | ehehe |
| 22:10.40 | Dembug | was a pain but we got there in the end |
| 22:10.44 | l3mr | duo as in core duo? |
| 22:10.45 | stew | Dembug: which initrd creator are you using? |
| 22:10.47 | Dembug | yessir |
| 22:10.53 | Dembug | im using debian --initrd flag |
| 22:10.57 | Dembug | so that would be part of kernel-package |
| 22:10.57 | kml | sure, it's a ppc hardware. |
| 22:11.08 | infernix | !enter |
| 22:11.08 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 22:11.11 | stew | Dembug: are you using mkinitrd? yaird? initramfs-tools? |
| 22:11.16 | Dembug | mkinitrd |
| 22:11.45 | Dembug | Basically I have no problems until i start using MD |
| 22:11.47 | stew | Dembug: don't, you should use yaird or initrafms-tools from backports.org. mkinitrd is devfs based which was removed from 2.6.13 and later kernels |
| 22:11.54 | Dembug | ahhhhhhhh |
| 22:12.03 | Dembug | Thanks stew, I had no idea :) |
| 22:12.14 | infernix | kritical: of course such a distro probably doesn't test high disk IO, network load and thus PCI bus traffic. not sure though |
| 22:12.17 | stew | Dembug: are you planning on booting from grub or lilo? and are you going to boot from the MD or have a separate boot? |
| 22:12.23 | Dembug | grub :) |
| 22:12.23 | stew | separate /toot rather |
| 22:12.28 | stew | err /boot jeez |
| 22:12.32 | Dembug | well the funny thing stew, is the backport boots fine with md0 |
| 22:12.34 | Dembug | :D |
| 22:12.39 | Dembug | now i know why , aswell |
| 22:12.46 | stew | Dembug: you'll need to make sure you have grub from backports as well |
| 22:12.54 | Dembug | eek ;( |
| 22:13.01 | Dembug | I should've asked to use the backports mirror from the start eh? :) |
| 22:13.08 | stew | Dembug: (since only the newer grub can read the cpio based ramdisk images) |
| 22:13.11 | stew | yes |
| 22:13.13 | l3mr | aye |
| 22:13.22 | Dembug | you guys are so helpful :) |
| 22:14.12 | Dembug | Reinstall time me thinks, I'm going to install initramfs-tools and the grub backport. |
| 22:14.31 | Dembug | Bah im going to have to compile it manually arent I chaps? |
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| 22:15.41 | stew | Dembug: no, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version after you install the new initrd creator |
| 22:15.53 | Dembug | sweet :D |
| 22:16.05 | Dembug | Im still new , thanks stew, saves me a lot of time :) |
| 22:19.07 | DavidProck1981 | one more question. this time i have come a lot closer to getting my video card working correctly, In fact it seams to work perfictly for about a min. But at different times i get these different errors and it will crach on them, the one i will list first happens the most and after about a minuit of game play, "could not build mipmaps" AND "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): St9bad_alloc" AND |
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| 22:20.50 | l3mr | DavidProck1981: bad alloc exception is usually when you run out of memory |
| 22:21.37 | DavidProck1981 | thanks for the info |
| 22:21.46 | Dembug | mm maybe you selected wrong ram size for the card |
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| 22:22.04 | DavidProck1981 | the card has 64 mb or ram on it |
| 22:22.36 | Dembug | is it ATI? |
| 22:22.48 | DavidProck1981 | should i use the kernel framebuffering? |
| 22:23.01 | DavidProck1981 | yes it is a ATI Radeon 8500DV |
| 22:23.18 | Dembug | i think you need some sort of setting in the kernel |
| 22:23.24 | Dembug | or some video cards are just.. unusable |
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| 22:23.38 | Dembug | dont quote me on that though eh :P |
| 22:23.39 | DavidProck1981 | what setting |
| 22:23.46 | l3mr | DavidProck1981: you know about http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html ? |
| 22:24.00 | Dembug | yeah ive tried that installer, it sometimes works :) |
| 22:24.13 | DavidProck1981 | i am useing the fglrx |
| 22:24.17 | l3mr | ok |
| 22:24.17 | Dembug | DavidProck1981: I think you were on the right track when you started talking about buffering |
| 22:24.54 | DavidProck1981 | ok |
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| 22:30.52 | chadmaynard | Does debian sarge install any kind of firewall by default? |
| 22:31.41 | centrx | iptables |
| 22:31.55 | rahul | default? no |
| 22:32.03 | rahul | but who knows what "default" means |
| 22:32.08 | centrx | it installs almost nothing by "default" |
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| 22:32.43 | chadmaynard | well i can access my webserver locally, but not from other networks... and my default route is right |
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| 22:32.53 | chadmaynard | i can contact remote nets from the debian box |
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| 22:37.10 | roler | Hey guys. I have a Dell E1705 Laptop. Debian runs great! The only problem I have is that my subwoofer does not work. It uses an Intel HD Audio sound card... Anyone know of any patches to get it working? |
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| 22:38.45 | yassine | stew, may the GNU be with you!! :) thanks again |
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| 22:38.56 | giupy | hi all |
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| 22:39.23 | jazbo2188 | I'm looking to get a voice recorder that will play nice with debian and hopefully record in ogg. Any suggestions? |
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| 22:40.18 | PumpkinPie | what is the concurrency option called again when compiling the kernel? |
| 22:40.29 | PumpkinPie | it controls how many threads there are |
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| 22:42.21 | iturk | can someone tell me why after i open and close sequencially mplayer files mplayer crashes ?? |
| 22:42.44 | PumpkinPie | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL |
| 22:43.25 | iturk | PumpkinPie: and why there is no good syncronization ?? is it a bug ?? |
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| 22:44.51 | creature | Hello. Is there a way to recompile a debian stock kernel? |
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| 22:47.25 | jazbo2188 | whoa |
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| 22:47.48 | nk | hi there. I'm running kernel 2.6.8-2-386 and want to do an upgrade. but I'm not sure if I should, because apt-get wants to update this package as well. could someone have a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4788 and give me a hint? |
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| 22:48.00 | nk | though of the netsplit :) |
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| 22:51.23 | creature | You see, I have a tool that needs a certain option enabled in a module. I'd like to rebuild it so I can use the tool. |
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| 22:51.35 | iturk | nk: if you dont want to upgrade just unselect it !! but upgrades are recommended unless you are doing an upgrade from a stable to a unstable distro !! |
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| 22:53.47 | nk | iturk: ah. deselect sounds much more secure - at least due to problems concerning the kernel |
| 22:54.08 | nk | iturk: how may I deselect a package? possible per ocmmand-line or some dpkg/apt-get config files? |
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| 22:54.27 | iturk | nk: i recommend dselect |
| 22:54.39 | nk | dselect... thanks |
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| 22:55.13 | jazbo2188 | Is there any speech-to-text software for linux? |
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| 22:57.06 | jazbo2188 | apt-cache show ears |
| 22:57.13 | jazbo2188 | doh! sorry |
| 22:57.27 | rumpl | jazbo2185, http://sound.condorow.net/speech.html |
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| 22:58.01 | lukio | che, alguien leyo este articulo http://enterprise.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/05/03/1830230&from=rss ?? |
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| 22:58.14 | Ronin | !br |
| 22:58.14 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:58.17 | Ronin | or is it es? |
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| 22:58.40 | lukio | ups, excusme |
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| 22:59.47 | julianx | hello world |
| 22:59.54 | robin__sz | meep? |
| 22:59.59 | Ronin | isnt that a gentoo thing julianx? ;) |
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| 23:00.11 | Ronin | meep meep roadrunner? |
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| 23:01.26 | julianx | i don't think |
| 23:02.26 | julianx | i'm sorry but English is'nt my native langage |
| 23:02.33 | tech_ | hey everyone.. hows it going.. |
| 23:02.40 | tech_ | has anyone had any exp with hppa and debian? |
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| 23:02.59 | blondie | tech_: well... I tried it |
| 23:03.02 | tech_ | trying to conduct a netinst and keep kernel panic'n on the onboard interface... (which i ahppen to be installing from) |
| 23:03.07 | blondie | not sure if it worked, or if I used gentoo instead |
| 23:03.14 | tech_ | i got gentoo to work. |
| 23:03.20 | tech_ | but i want to run debian |
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| 23:03.34 | blinkey47 | Is it possible to run a newer nvidia-glx with nvidia-legacy-kernel? |
| 23:03.36 | tech_ | i put gentoo off in on its own drives.. got pretty decent setup.. |
| 23:03.46 | deadcat | can someone help with this... http://hashmysql.org/paste/viewentry.php?id=3200 i dont know whats up.. i blew up mydatabase and i bet the client is gonna complain in 5min. (= |
| 23:03.51 | tech_ | mirror drives on hp 9000 d380 dual pa-risc 180MHz |
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| 23:03.57 | deadcat | this is the same file i got from oscommerce backup... |
| 23:04.06 | devin_ | I want to add my /home to a seprate drive! How should I partition the 2nd drive, and what should i add to fstab? |
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| 23:04.37 | tech_ | deadcat just add ,50 |
| 23:04.42 | tech_ | \or ,anynumber to that key |
| 23:05.02 | deadcat | tech_: thanks |
| 23:05.07 | tech_ | KEY Message_Card( message_card (10) ) |
| 23:05.08 | tech_ | should do it |
| 23:05.20 | tech_ | or ,10 |
| 23:05.22 | tech_ | forget the syntac hehe |
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| 23:05.46 | tech_ | but thats all that is.. not major deal.. any reason you are resotring in this way? don't you have the *.MYI and the resT? |
| 23:06.01 | tech_ | just pop files back on server chown mysql.mysql and restart mysql and your back up. |
| 23:06.04 | tech_ | =) |
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| 23:06.24 | grendal_prime | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-server_1%3a4.3p2-7_i386.deb (--unpack): |
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| 23:07.02 | grendal_prime | its werid its like it never installed anything..still using kde 3.3.3 as well..kinda bummer |
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| 23:08.14 | deadcat | tech_: message_card text 50, ? didnt work |
| 23:09.10 | tech_ | do you have the files? |
| 23:09.14 | heatman | on which cd can i find Xorg? Ive installed a few cds last night and when i try to run: startx, it wont iniate |
| 23:09.15 | tech_ | from say /var/mysql/ |
| 23:09.26 | tech_ | This box can boot either 32 or 64-bit kernels...Both kernels available, choosing 32-bit kernel |
| 23:09.29 | tech_ | and hangs... |
| 23:09.32 | Ronin | heatman: what version of debian? |
| 23:09.34 | tech_ | hppa is really being a wh0re right now |
| 23:09.39 | Ronin | or release even |
| 23:09.51 | julianx | i'm going to the bed bye |
| 23:09.52 | heatman | Ronin: 31r4-i3 |
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| 23:10.02 | Ronin | etch iirc? |
| 23:10.14 | Ronin | im a stable man myself so im not positive |
| 23:10.39 | heatman | Ronin: ? new to debian so i wouldnt know. |
| 23:10.46 | deadcat | tech_: what do i do? panic'ing here. )= |
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| 23:13.12 | Ronin | heatman: so no gui? |
| 23:13.28 | heatman | Ronin: nah, it wont start |
| 23:13.31 | grendal_prime | now synaptic is removing ....seems like everything on the system |
| 23:13.33 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 23:13.37 | grendal_prime | should be interesting |
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| 23:14.03 | Ronin | heatman: specific errors? warning? |
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| 23:14.22 | heatman | Ronin: gimme a sec, pc is restarting |
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| 23:15.28 | piper69 | !> |
| 23:15.28 | dpkg | > is probably redirection of stdout to a file. |
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| 23:20.23 | heatman | Ronin: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory; giving up; xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server; xinit: No such process (errno 3): server error |
| 23:20.56 | yassine | how can i find out the order modules are loaded in apache2 please ? |
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| 23:21.57 | dj-death | hi all |
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| 23:22.34 | dj-death | does someone know why it takes so much time to bring gnome 2.16 to unstable ? |
| 23:22.48 | quhan | is there someone who can tell how to patch the kernel for 2.6.19? |
| 23:23.35 | dj-death | cd linux-sources ; bzip2 -dc file.patch.bz2 | patch -p1 |
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| 23:24.11 | quhan | ? |
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| 23:24.36 | quhan | dj-death: hi, are you talk to me? |
| 23:24.56 | dj-death | quhan: yes |
| 23:25.23 | quhan | but i cant find the patch file which support kernel 26.19 |
| 23:25.49 | dj-death | ? |
| 23:25.55 | quhan | at www.win4lin.com, i could found only 2.6.14 |
| 23:26.34 | dj-death | you need linux kernel patchs, go kernel.org |
| 23:26.54 | quhan | i mean if there is a method to create a win4lin patch |
| 23:27.14 | valdyn | quhan: wrong forum, ask your vendor |
| 23:27.33 | jelly-home | quhan: you'll have to ask the vendor to update the patch, or do it by yourself |
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| 23:28.53 | quhan | yes, but is there somebody teach howto? |
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| 23:29.45 | heatman | Ronin: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: line 2: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory; giving up; xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server; xinit: No such process (errno 3): server error |
| 23:30.28 | Guerin_ | heatman: install a gorram x server |
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| 23:30.52 | heatman | Guerin, is that contained on debian cdsÉ |
| 23:31.03 | penguin | What is the command to restart apache? |
| 23:31.07 | sng | Guerin_: :) |
| 23:31.17 | Guerin_ | heatman: yes. |
| 23:31.26 | Guerin_ | penguin: /etc/init.d/apache restart |
| 23:31.29 | heatman | Guerin_: ty |
| 23:31.35 | penguin | apache2? |
| 23:31.43 | Guerin | penguin: think really hard about it |
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| 23:31.57 | penguin | thinking hurts |
| 23:32.08 | Guerin | penguin: not thinking hurts more |
| 23:32.52 | creature | Hello. Is there a way to recompile a debian stock kernel? |
| 23:32.55 | creature | You see, I have a tool that needs a certain option enabled in a module. I'd like to rebuild it so I can use the tool. |
| 23:33.24 | tech_ | man i really can't believe how many people do NOT have any exp with pa-risc... hehe almost zero support |
| 23:33.41 | Guerin | creature: use the config from /boot |
| 23:33.58 | blondie | tech_: i can... they aren't that popular are they |
| 23:33.59 | Guerin | creature: make sure you build with the appropriate initrd/initramfs/yaird/etc |
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| 23:34.06 | creature | Guerin: take that one, and recompile using a kernel from kernel.org? |
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| 23:34.16 | Guerin | creature: no, use a debian kernel source. |
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| 23:34.40 | creature | Oh. |
| 23:34.40 | jazbo2188 | Is it possible to convert WMA's to wav/mp3/ogg etc..? |
| 23:34.40 | tech_ | of course they aren't but with the minds in this cahnnel you figure SOMEONE would be familiar |
| 23:34.42 | tech_ | heh |
| 23:34.50 | creature | Guerin: OK. How do I make sure I build with appropriate initrd etc? |
| 23:34.56 | Guerin | jazbo2188: not without huge lossage, but of course, if you can listen to it you can convert it. |
| 23:35.39 | Guerin | creature: depends on the kernel and kernel-package version |
| 23:35.50 | Meltir | hi ppl. while using ssh, im getting connection timeouts when the session is left for some period of time not doing anything. ive noticed this only happens when i connect to the internet using my wireless router. im pretty much out of ideas, as the router has no timeout options configurable. has anyone here tackled a problem such as this ? |
| 23:36.02 | pumpkin0 | jazbo2185: you can always go the analog way. Or, if you have non-DRM WMA use mplayer & Co... |
| 23:36.08 | creature | Guerin: 2.6.17, I believe. I've just shut the machine down so I can't tell you for sure. I'm 99% certain though. |
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| 23:36.46 | Guerin | creature: yeah, i'm not familiar with it, but you can probably find out by looking at the depends of the kernel package on packages.debian.og and by reading the doc to kernel-package |
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| 23:36.53 | Guerin | creature: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 23:37.39 | jazbo2188 | They are just voice recordings. I'd only be converting so that I could run them through some voice recognition software so I'm hoping quality would not be a huge issue here. Is there something I can apt-get to do the conversion? |
| 23:38.03 | creature | jazbo2188: I'm pretty sure you can use mencoder to do that transcoding. |
| 23:38.18 | Guerin | jazbo2188: mplayer -ao pcm will drop them to wave |
| 23:38.35 | Guerin | then you can mess with various encoding schemes to preserve quality etc. |
| 23:39.11 | jazbo2188 | Score thanks |
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| 23:40.19 | shwag | how do I list off the files that a package installed ? |
| 23:40.26 | dondelelcaro | shwag: dpkg -L foopkg |
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| 23:40.49 | Werdna | hey all, does libapache2-mod-php5 have issues with apache-common2.2 or whatever the package is for apache 2.2? |
| 23:40.52 | Werdna | I'm using the deb packages |
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| 23:43.41 | piper69 | am running debian 3.1 and i am conected to the internet right now. when i do 'ifconfing' it return 'bash: ifconfig :command not found |
| 23:44.36 | penguin | need to install that one |
| 23:44.57 | blondie | penguin: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:44.59 | Werdna | hmm.. my PHP5 doesn't work. Whenever I try to view a PHP5 page, it offers me a file of type application/x-httpd-php |
| 23:45.00 | blondie | erm |
| 23:45.03 | Werdna | this came after reinstalling it. |
| 23:45.06 | blondie | piper69: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:45.07 | piper69 | penguin: should i 'apt-get install ifconfig' |
| 23:45.38 | blondie | ifconfig is a standard thing |
| 23:45.46 | blondie | piper69: did you do it as root? |
| 23:45.56 | blondie | otherwise it's probably not in your $PATH |
| 23:46.03 | bronaugh | fun... so is Daniel Baumann around? I hear he's the netcdfg-dev maintainer... and from reading the bug, he was saying he'd integrate a fix to the f90 interface. |
| 23:46.07 | nk | Werdna: so your apache config sucks |
| 23:46.45 | blondie | also |
| 23:46.54 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 23:46.58 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to configure bootsplash on 2.6.18-3? (unstable) Tx |
| 23:46.58 | blondie | when you fix it, if you use firefox, you need to empty your cache |
| 23:47.03 | blondie | because it's rubbish like that. |
| 23:47.06 | piper69 | blondie: no as a user, when i echo$PATH i got /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 23:47.19 | blondie | piper69: that's why ifconfig didn't work. |
| 23:47.35 | blondie | piper69: type /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:47.48 | piper69 | blondie: yeah it worked |
| 23:48.01 | piper69 | blondie: wait don't show me how to add it |
| 23:48.07 | penguin | Y is it not in users path? |
| 23:48.20 | blondie | because users generally don't need to run it. |
| 23:48.55 | bbelt16ag | hello everyone |
| 23:49.07 | pickcoder | there isn't really anything in /sbin/ that any normal needs access to |
| 23:49.18 | pickcoder | normal user |
| 23:49.22 | piper69 | blondie: i want to see if i can figure this one on my own, i will ask for your advice before i do any thing |
| 23:49.23 | nk | true that is |
| 23:49.40 | nk | that's why it's called Sbin, not bin |
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| 23:49.46 | Mazingaro | please could anyone help me to configure bootsplash on 2.6.18-3? (unstable) Tx |
| 23:50.17 | blondie | Mazingaro: no need to repeat yourself. |
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| 23:51.15 | Malawar | man |
| 23:51.22 | Malawar | my system is pooched. |
| 23:51.34 | Malawar | my system lost power.. |
| 23:51.37 | Malawar | and now apt is messed up |
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| 23:51.57 | plugwash | is there any way to find out why mount thinks a device is busy? |
| 23:52.10 | blondie | lsof |
| 23:52.13 | blondie | fuser |
| 23:52.26 | pickcoder | Malawar: list corruption? |
| 23:52.27 | panthera | bronaugh: i'm here. |
| 23:52.30 | Sashi | so |
| 23:52.33 | Sashi | should i get etch/ |
| 23:52.35 | Sashi | or sarge |
| 23:52.44 | blondie | what for? |
| 23:53.00 | Malawar | i lost power in the middle of an apt-get upgrade :( |
| 23:53.02 | Sashi | no what should i get |
| 23:53.04 | Malawar | everything is gone |
| 23:53.04 | Sashi | etch? |
| 23:53.12 | blondie | what for? |
| 23:53.14 | bronaugh | panthera: ok. |
| 23:53.15 | Malawar | i think i'm going to have to reinstall everything. |
| 23:53.18 | Sashi | what for? |
| 23:53.21 | Sashi | server/desktop? |
| 23:53.22 | plugwash | Malawar everything? |
| 23:53.23 | blondie | yes |
| 23:53.25 | pickcoder | Malawar: was it installing stuff or downloading stuff |
| 23:53.25 | Malawar | well |
| 23:53.28 | Malawar | i lost most of apt |
| 23:53.48 | linux_jones | so i upgraded to etch today and now my computer is substantialy slower and my mouse it really slow too |
| 23:53.48 | plugwash | Malawar does the system still boot? |
| 23:53.52 | blondie | Sashi: if desktop, then etch. |
| 23:53.55 | bronaugh | panthera: I'm trying to compile a fortran program using netcdfg-dev; not having any luck. it fails on linking. |
| 23:53.56 | Malawar | yeah |
| 23:53.58 | Malawar | but nothing works :P |
| 23:54.06 | bronaugh | panthera: I just tried whats-his-name's packages and I get the same errors. |
| 23:54.19 | bronaugh | panthera: I'm using gfortran; it's a fortran 90 program. |
| 23:54.21 | plugwash | Malawar can you get a shell? |
| 23:54.31 | pickcoder | fortran? |
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| 23:54.43 | Malawar | yes. |
| 23:54.43 | panthera | bronaugh: we'll figure that out then, while reviewing those packages |
| 23:54.44 | pickcoder | and I thought I was wrirting in an ancient dialect |
| 23:54.53 | plugwash | Malawar what happens if you type apt-get -f install |
| 23:54.57 | blondie | fortran is still used |
| 23:55.04 | bronaugh | blondie: unfortunately. |
| 23:55.04 | blondie | by mad scientists |
| 23:55.05 | pickcoder | so is COBOL |
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| 23:55.07 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:55.10 | pickcoder | and PickBASIC |
| 23:55.13 | kelm_ | re |
| 23:55.17 | linux_jones | how can i check that my swap partition is mounted? |
| 23:55.19 | Sashi | blondie, what about server |
| 23:55.21 | FarrisG | what do you all know about the current state of affairs regarding auctions of expired domains? There's a domain that just expired, that apparantly will go to auction. But different whois servers give different info about who actually has the domain -- and they're ALL backorder/auction companies |
| 23:55.30 | blondie | Sashi: that depends how important it is |
| 23:55.43 | bronaugh | panthera: is my understanding correct, in that the fortran90 interface wasn't even there in the netcdfg-dev package? |
| 23:55.46 | Sashi | umm i ono? important? |
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| 23:55.54 | Sashi | like at least 23/7 |
| 23:55.54 | pickcoder | FarrisG: there should only be one registrar that owns the domain record |
| 23:55.57 | FarrisG | If I'm the only one bidding, I don't want to drive my own price up by bidding at multiple paces. |
| 23:55.59 | pickcoder | until it is sold |
| 23:56.01 | blondie | Sashi: you ono? huh/ |
| 23:56.02 | blondie | ? |
| 23:56.10 | Sashi | very important? |
| 23:56.35 | FarrisG | pickcoder: I know, that makes sense. But if you ask the whois at internic, it says registrar A has it... if you ask the whois at my isp, it says registrar B has it. |
| 23:56.37 | pickcoder | if it has changed hands several times, then whois info may not follow it quickly enough |
| 23:56.41 | kelm_ | et que les verges bien aiguisées pénétrent les vierges mal informées |
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| 23:57.04 | pickcoder | the whois info should be date stamped |
| 23:57.07 | FarrisG | The interesting part is that the two different ones I've seen are actually direct competitors in the domain auctioning biz. |
| 23:57.08 | blondie | !fr |
| 23:57.08 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:57.16 | panthera | bronaugh: that is right, yes. |
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| 23:57.28 | FarrisG | pickcoder: Ahhh, yes. One is newer than the other |
| 23:57.28 | Malawar | hm |
| 23:57.33 | linux_jones | what is the dpkg-reconfigure for the xserve in etch? |
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| 23:57.42 | kelm_ | i don't need help |
| 23:57.49 | blondie | kelm_: well don't speak french. |
| 23:57.49 | pickcoder | FarrisG: it's going to end up like record of deeds management... |
| 23:57.59 | Jamsi | Any exim experts around? I need exim to check a textfile for valid recipients .. so easy in postfix but in exim I have NFI. |
| 23:58.00 | Malawar | lols |
| 23:58.04 | Malawar | my /lib directory is messed up too |
| 23:58.08 | bronaugh | panthera: ok; I checked the symbol table in libnetcdf.a using nm, and it included symbols for nc_create__ in fort_<whateveritwas>.o |
| 23:58.10 | pickcoder | each entry is stamped and the first person in line gets the actual record |
| 23:58.13 | Malawar | i can't even run ls |
| 23:58.14 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:58.15 | blondie | Jamsi: #exim |
| 23:58.19 | Malawar | oh well. |
| 23:58.24 | Malawar | nothing important on that box anyway :P |
| 23:58.27 | Jamsi | blondie; no-one in there but people wanting help haha :) |
| 23:58.28 | linux_jones | anyone? |
| 23:58.29 | bronaugh | panthera: but not for the symbol that was used; what's up with that? some bizarre fortran linkage? |
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| 23:59.20 | bronaugh | panthera: also, his packages' libfortran.a doesn't include any of the fort_*.o files. |
| 23:59.42 | pickcoder | Malawar: did you try running dpkg with forced install? |
| 23:59.43 | Sashi | hmm |
| 23:59.51 | panthera | bronaugh: again, we will look at this when i'll review his packages. |
| 23:59.54 | pickcoder | Malawar: at this point, it wouldn't hurt to try |
| 23:59.59 | Sashi | the ipod shuffle, can i use it as a usb stick? |
