| 00:00.25 | streuner_ | XYZZZ: here are some people who running ppc as well, so try your luck and follow the advice of peterS |
| 00:01.40 | aboyz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.14 | PingFloyd | look at free |
| 00:02.43 | XYZZZ | According to my xorg.conf file, which was made during the installation, my AGP video card adress is PCI:240:16:0. When I do "lspci", I get,0000:f0:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AR [Radeon 9600] |
| 00:02.44 | XYZZZ | . Why? |
| 00:03.33 | Guerin | XYZZZ: because lspci shows it in hes, and xorg has it in decimal |
| 00:03.37 | PingFloyd | iirc, one is hex the other is decimal |
| 00:03.41 | k13 | Hi there! I have the following situation: I have a LDAP server with user authentication (running on a SuSE), each user has a printing quota. I have a printing server running in Windows with share enabled (so I see it as a Samba share in the client PCs). The client PCs runs Ubuntu. So this is what I want: configure the Ubuntu's (or Debian, nevermind) CUPS server to access this Windows share, BUT it _must_ use |
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| 00:04.02 | k13 | (sorry for the long explanation... but it's a bit complex) |
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| 00:04.16 | XYZZZ | Guerin, how would I convert this, 0001:01:02.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01) |
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| 00:04.22 | MatBoy | Guys I'm figuring out a VPS install. Normally I use normal space for /tmp and so on, but for VPS I really can't figure it out. a swap of 250 should be OK when I give it 256MB, /boot of 100 / of 500 /tmp of 500 /usr 250 and /var of 400 Or can it be smaller ? |
| 00:04.29 | PingFloyd | and I think they match even though I'm no wiz at conversion |
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| 00:05.31 | peterS | XYZZZ: if you are using sarge pciutils, 'lspci -X' will print the right ID format. this feature has since been removed, unfortunately |
| 00:05.36 | ehj20 | google will do conversions. "0xf0 in decimal" |
| 00:06.05 | mark_ | How to print a man page with nice formatting? |
| 00:06.11 | peterS | ehj20: that doesn't answer his question though. what's the xorg format for 0001:01:02.0? |
| 00:06.24 | peterS | mark_: groff -Tps will convert to PostScirpt |
| 00:06.40 | peterS | mark_: uh, I mean, 'groff -Tps -man' |
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| 00:06.48 | PingFloyd | yeah there's websites all over the place with conversion calculators online |
| 00:06.59 | ehj20 | peterS: I wan't trying to answer a question, it was just a random tip that I thought might not be immediately obvious :] |
| 00:07.42 | peterS | mark_: actually it seems 'man -Tps' is the right invocation so you don't have to mess with tbl and eqn and finding the right path for the manpage |
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| 00:08.53 | DaveyB | What UML software packages do you suggest for Linux? |
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| 00:09.45 | mark_ | ty |
| 00:09.51 | PingFloyd | I think the bigger question is what brings up the concern over the bus ID? |
| 00:10.22 | XYZZZ | This is impossible |
| 00:10.30 | XYZZZ | Crazy system they did on PPC debian |
| 00:10.34 | XYZZZ | Makes no sense at all |
| 00:11.04 | PingFloyd | what is the root of the problem? |
| 00:11.59 | abrotman | DaveyB: dia ? |
| 00:12.13 | XYZZZ | dual monitors aren't work, the settings are correct, i've concluded it's do to me not being able to convert my paths from lspci to xorg.conf |
| 00:12.15 | DaveyB | abrotman, thankyou |
| 00:12.20 | XYZZZ | Asked in xorg and nobody knows |
| 00:12.20 | abrotman | if it works |
| 00:12.23 | XYZZZ | It's just insane |
| 00:12.24 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 00:12.24 | dpkg | well, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 00:12.52 | LnxSlck | dpkg: is ppc that good ? |
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| 00:13.02 | TheGuit | Hello |
| 00:13.11 | abrotman | LnxSlck: dpkg is a bot |
| 00:13.11 | LnxSlck | hi |
| 00:13.18 | LnxSlck | abrotman: lol |
| 00:13.20 | TheGuit | I've got a probleme. I make a config for Apache2 which works great (two VHOST one HTTP and one HTTPS). I install PHP5 and now HTTPS doesn't work. (you can see page here : http://home.theguit.net/ and https://home.theguit.net/) Someone have an idea ? |
| 00:13.21 | abrotman | !lol |
| 00:13.22 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:13.41 | PingFloyd | a bot with an attitude at that |
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| 00:14.36 | abrotman | TheGuit: do the vhosts have the same DocumentRoot ? |
| 00:14.44 | TheGuit | no |
| 00:15.08 | abrotman | does /var/www/https/index.php actually exist ? |
| 00:15.09 | XYZZZ | What PPC is, is a big pain in the butt, with things being obtuse and near impossible |
| 00:15.13 | XYZZZ | It's really ridiculous |
| 00:15.13 | PingFloyd | what I want to know is how does he know what an AOL user is like |
| 00:15.19 | abrotman | erm .. /home/site/https/index.php |
| 00:15.22 | groogs_ | TheGuit: check read permissions on /home/site/https/index.php |
| 00:15.24 | XYZZZ | If this was X86, I could just plug it in and go |
| 00:15.27 | abrotman | XYZZZ: then don't use it .. stop whining |
| 00:15.31 | TheGuit | one is /home/site/http and other /home/site/https/ |
| 00:15.45 | TheGuit | Yes document exist |
| 00:15.48 | XYZZZ | Have YOU ever used X? I mean, come on, dude. X is horrendous. |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | TheGuit: ls -l |
| 00:16.00 | abrotman | XYZZZ: do you actually have a debian question? |
| 00:16.03 | PingFloyd | then don't use X |
| 00:16.23 | XYZZZ | Yes, nobody could answer my debian question |
| 00:16.31 | abrotman | did you provide logs of any sort? |
| 00:16.41 | XYZZZ | Yes |
| 00:16.45 | abrotman | TheGuit: what are the perms on the file ? |
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| 00:16.52 | PingFloyd | no such thing as obligatory tech support in Debian |
| 00:17.00 | amphi | debian installed like a charm on ppc the one time I did it... |
| 00:17.02 | TheGuit | I put a 77 chmod on alldrwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 2006-12-14 00:47 http |
| 00:17.03 | TheGuit | drwx------ 2 www-data www-data 4096 2006-12-14 00:48 https |
| 00:17.03 | TheGuit | -rwx------ 1 www-data www-data 14 2006-12-14 00:41 password.base |
| 00:17.03 | TheGuit | site/http: |
| 00:17.03 | TheGuit | total 4 |
| 00:17.03 | *** kick/#debian [TheGuit!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 00:17.07 | abrotman | then try the -user or -ppc mailing list |
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| 00:17.14 | abrotman | there's a good reason why |
| 00:17.19 | TheGuit | oups sorry |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:17.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | TheGuit: ^^ |
| 00:17.24 | XYZZZ | No, it installed great, I'm using it right now. The problem is the multiple monitors is not working. |
| 00:17.36 | XYZZZ | I love Debian PPC, but I hate the multiple monitors |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | then don't freaking use them |
| 00:17.49 | amphi | XYZZZ: why would that be ppc-specific? |
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| 00:18.17 | Coweater | because apple video cards are sometimes unique |
| 00:18.29 | XYZZZ | Because I have dual monitors running on my X86 Debian computer and they were plug in, config xorg, and go |
| 00:18.34 | krychu | is an upgrade from stable to testing version smooth? :) or should i avoid this? |
| 00:18.36 | PingFloyd | as in proprietary and closed |
| 00:18.41 | Coweater | not really |
| 00:18.42 | abrotman | krychu: it's supposed to be |
| 00:18.46 | amphi | Coweater: uhuh - the lne |
| 00:18.47 | abrotman | !tell krychu about sarge->etch |
| 00:18.58 | TheGuit | Oh ! that work much better with a 755 chmod |
| 00:19.03 | amphi | Coweater: er, the one I installed on was some sort of radeon IIRC |
| 00:19.08 | abrotman | TheGuit: enjoy |
| 00:19.10 | TheGuit | but php is not execute with apache user ? |
| 00:19.15 | krychu | wow, that is cool:) thanks guys |
| 00:19.39 | krychu | i mean thanks abrotman |
| 00:19.59 | Coweater | amphi: ati has produced mac specific cards in the past, the bios is different |
| 00:20.03 | abrotman | TheGuit: who actually owned the file ? |
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| 00:20.14 | TheGuit | www-data:www-data |
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| 00:21.07 | eduhat | when it asks for my cvs repository what should i put? |
| 00:21.15 | TheGuit | it's juste for a demonstration so it's not very important to put a 755 chmod but if I understand why thats could be good for me ^ |
| 00:21.21 | eduhat | > /var/lib/csv? |
| 00:21.27 | amphi | Coweater: uhuh |
| 00:21.33 | abrotman | eduhat: whereever you want it |
| 00:21.48 | eduhat | abrotman: its asking where they are |
| 00:22.07 | abrotman | oh .. /var/cvsroot/ is a common place |
| 00:22.20 | abrotman | you could look on the system and see ? |
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| 00:22.27 | eduhat | what about /var/lib/csv? |
| 00:22.40 | Morvok | anybody run dual head setup? |
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| 00:22.56 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 00:23.20 | Morvok | I am curious about will both screens be taken over if running an app in "full screen mode" |
| 00:24.04 | eduhat | should i use CVS pserver? |
| 00:24.05 | Morvok | if so. is theres docs somewhere saying how to limit it to one screen. |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | eduhat: ask your admin |
| 00:24.45 | eduhat | i am the admin |
| 00:24.49 | Morvok | hehe |
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| 00:25.13 | SubStack | svn! |
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| 00:26.34 | TheGuit | Ok thanks guys ;) it's time for me to go sleep :) |
| 00:27.49 | MatBoy | is it possible to see how much data there is been written per minute or something like it on a dev/sdX device ? |
| 00:27.57 | MatBoy | realtime |
| 00:28.33 | amphi | MatBoy: many system monitors will show that, gkrellm for one |
| 00:28.48 | abrotman | MatBoy: iostat .. roughly |
| 00:28.58 | MatBoy | amphi, ok, but I need it on the commandline like top for processes |
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| 00:29.34 | MatBoy | abrotman, let me look onto that, thanks |
| 00:29.55 | sanity__ | hi synaptic could not run ---> (synaptic:4707): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 00:29.57 | eduhat | so should i use cvs pserver |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | MatBoy: iostat isn't truly real time .. maybe it has an optnio |
| 00:30.11 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.15 | abrotman | sanity__: don't run it as root ? |
| 00:30.18 | abrotman | sphenxes: ? |
| 00:30.34 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.35 | MatBoy | abrotman, this is already kewl ! I will look for that option |
| 00:30.41 | MatBoy | thanks again ! |
| 00:31.01 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | sphenxes: no space ? |
| 00:31.09 | sphenxes | abrotman, looking for information about etch release date |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 00:31.19 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 00:34.17 | MatBoy | abrotman, #iostat -p sdX 2 |
| 00:34.21 | sphenxes | abrotman, thanks |
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| 00:34.41 | MatBoy | abchirk_, 2 is the interval, a number behind that is the count of report that you want to receive |
| 00:34.43 | abrotman | MatBoy: that does it for you ? |
| 00:34.51 | MatBoy | abrotman, yep ! |
| 00:34.53 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:36.22 | sanity__ | apache start give me (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs failed! |
| 00:36.36 | sanity__ | ?! |
| 00:36.56 | zog-vsl | is there a util that will give a "lines per second" or similar count if I pipe a tailed log into it? |
| 00:37.03 | abrotman | something else is using port 80 |
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| 00:37.23 | sanity__ | ok but i have shutdown zope instance |
| 00:37.25 | p0laris | what program reads the usenet? |
| 00:37.29 | sanity__ | perhaps iceweasel ? |
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| 00:37.33 | shwag | any used tripwire or something like that to watch for modifications to a machine ? |
| 00:37.50 | amphi | p0laris: pan is one |
| 00:38.05 | abrotman | shwag: why? |
| 00:38.06 | eduhat | guys, should i use CVS pserver? |
| 00:38.06 | p0laris | any for the console please? |
| 00:38.20 | p0laris | amphi, What others are there please? |
| 00:38.23 | kingsley | zog-vsl: cpipe. |
| 00:38.37 | amphi | p0laris: there are many |
| 00:38.40 | kingsley | zog-vsl: Try typing "apt-cache show cpipe" |
| 00:38.47 | PingFloyd | sanity__: try seeing what's going on with netstat |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | p0laris: slrn and tin |
| 00:39.13 | p0laris | amphi, could you name me some? I am sure I have some already installed, just dont know their names |
| 00:39.18 | p0laris | ahhright, tin |
| 00:39.41 | shwag | abrotman: im looking to keep a better watch over my machines. |
| 00:39.47 | p0laris | What server do we use to read news from usenet please? |
| 00:39.55 | kingsley | p0laris: "nn" is supposed to offer more functionality for so called power users. |
| 00:40.00 | p0laris | Or should I just use Google Groups? |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | p0laris: ask your ISP |
| 00:40.13 | p0laris | kingsley, thank you. |
| 00:40.27 | kingsley | p0laris: It seems to me that using google groups is a good idea. |
| 00:40.56 | p0laris | Alright |
| 00:41.04 | shwag | abrotman: someone said synaptic can keep track of changes to my files in the sameway that tripwire would. |
| 00:41.18 | sanity__ | netstat myhost |grep 80 don't report me http is in use |
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| 00:41.40 | zog-vsl | kingsley: thanks! |
| 00:42.10 | abrotman | shwag: debsums .. but not quite the same |
| 00:43.58 | shwag | abrotman: do you use tripwire ? |
| 00:44.08 | abrotman | i have |
| 00:44.15 | shwag | abrotman: is it good ? |
| 00:44.23 | shwag | abrotman: is there something better ? |
| 00:44.25 | abrotman | it's good .. can be annoying sometimes |
| 00:45.55 | abrotman | !tripwire |
| 00:45.55 | dpkg | i heard tripwire is a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cyrptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Layman's terms: It tells you if you've been haX03d and 0w3n3d.. Use AIDE instead, or for open source tripwire see http://www.tripwire.org/, and for CVS instructions see http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=3130 |
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| 00:46.31 | shwag | AIDE? |
| 00:46.33 | shwag | !AIDE |
| 00:46.33 | dpkg | i heard aide is a free (GPL'ed) replacement for almost-free (free for non-commercial use) tripwire http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html, or a File System integrity checker for "Intrusion Detection" using cryptographic checksums such as MD5 and Blowfish. Lamer's terms: It tells you if you've been h4X0r3d, cr4X0r3d, r00t3d, and 100t3d and 0wn3d. |
| 00:47.13 | stoned | hi |
| 00:47.27 | stoned | mmm |
| 00:48.00 | abrotman | lovely |
| 00:48.03 | abrotman | chronic ? |
| 00:48.10 | stoned | abrotman, thats probably what he meant |
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| 00:48.16 | abrotman | i figured :) |
| 00:48.21 | stoned | whats up with you umbrella hat |
| 00:48.22 | stoned | :) |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | i'm tired! |
| 00:48.39 | stoned | I gotta get me one of those |
| 00:48.57 | stoned | dude my back is killing me, and now I gotta code these two asp modules for a friends ju jitsu dojo website |
| 00:49.02 | stoned | no money, god I hate friend |
| 00:49.10 | amphi | heh |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | ASP ? |
| 00:49.20 | elik | asp |
| 00:49.31 | abrotman | i know what ASP is |
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| 00:49.58 | stew | thing that killed cleopatra |
| 00:50.02 | stoned | +plural |
| 00:50.16 | stoned | !asp |
| 00:50.17 | dpkg | asp is probably a program which obtains present ip-address for dynamically connected hosts. or some crap from microsoft. Bill Gate's pet snake from hell |
| 00:50.36 | elik | I prefer second definition |
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| 00:51.40 | PingFloyd | they should give more of their programs snake names |
| 00:51.58 | stoned | python, anaconda, etc.? |
| 00:52.10 | PingFloyd | microsoft I mean, it's becoming of them |
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| 00:52.27 | puddingpimp2 | Is there an easy way to install the dev packages for all the libraries I have installed? |
| 00:52.46 | stoned | puddingpimp2, no, afaik at least |
| 00:52.52 | stoned | however, for example |
| 00:52.58 | afaik | stoned, huh!? |
| 00:53.07 | gnat_x | hi folks. i have etch running on a thinkpad t20, and i can't seem to get all the acpi goodies like putting the machine to sleep working. |
| 00:53.21 | stoned | you can do something like, apt-get build-dep pkgname |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | puddingpimp2: easy way no .. with scripting .. yeah |
| 00:53.39 | stoned | that will satisfy dev depends afaik, I could be wrong |
| 00:53.49 | blahdeblah_ | Hi all. Is there a way that i can get etch installed from scratch on a machine with a G965 chipset? The sarge & etch installers i've tried don't work at all, and i don't have another 64-bit machine i can stick the hard disks in to do an install. |
| 00:53.51 | stoned | afaik, ! |
| 00:55.16 | puddingpimp2 | abrotman, well I tried apt-get install `apt-cache pkgnames | grep ^lib | grep -v '\-dev$' | perl -ne 'chomp $_; print $_ . "-dev\n";'`, but this doesn't really make sense as not all lib* have a corresponding dev package |
| 00:55.41 | puddingpimp2 | I suppose I should to the same thing and then filter the list for valid packages from apt=cache? |
| 00:55.51 | abrotman | what happens when you try to install those ? |
| 00:55.57 | gnat_x | i have acpid running, i have the kernel modules installed. the acpi events look right (though i'm not positive what they should look like). |
| 00:56.11 | puddingpimp2 | abortman some of them don't exist so it aborts |
| 00:56.23 | gnat_x | i've found things via google suggesting that it is possible, but nothing is debian pecific |
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| 00:57.29 | abrotman | puddingpimp2: then go with the apt-build route |
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| 00:57.42 | gnat_x | also, shutting the machine down doesn't acutally turn it off. |
| 00:57.48 | gnat_x | i have to do it manually |
| 00:57.53 | efaistos | for mailing lists with spamassassin should I use whitelist_from, whitelist_to or whitelist_from_rcvd ? |
| 00:58.03 | _flamesrock_ | anyone know of any good vps hosts? |
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| 00:58.40 | gnat_x | is this something i should ask about somewhere else? or does anyone else have insight/experience. i can't imagine this to be an unusual set of problems |
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| 01:00.27 | Azar | MySQL drops support for Debian |
| 01:00.45 | Azar | oh, hi honorables :) |
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| 01:01.22 | Azar | I see only "commercial" linux distros keep the support |
| 01:02.31 | Azar | damn! that was slash.'ed too! |
| 01:02.42 | efaistos | Azar: try postgresql :) |
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| 01:03.37 | Azar | efaistos: nice to see Debian has its own stuff together :) |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | Azar: read it again .. stop spreading bad gossipp |
| 01:04.02 | Azar | abrotman: sigh I will have to go to /. to see what is about |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | gnat_x: is acpid installed? |
| 01:04.27 | gnat_x | abrotman: yes, installed and running |
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| 01:04.47 | abrotman | self compiled kernel? |
| 01:05.00 | gnat_x | abrotman: nope. debian stock |
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| 01:05.18 | abrotman | poweroff doesn't work? |
| 01:05.30 | abrotman | maybe it's apm? |
| 01:05.48 | gnat_x | hrm apm is installed too. |
| 01:06.44 | gnat_x | abrotman: apm is there, but doesn't appear to be running |
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| 01:07.02 | abrotman | !thinkpad |
| 01:07.02 | dpkg | i guess thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 01:08.07 | Azar | just read an article about a guy installing Sarge on an old thinkpad: the only issue he had was with partition which he had to do it custom vs auto |
| 01:12.02 | shwag | Can anyone help me to figure out why there is a 15 second delay when I ssh to my server before it asks me for my password? |
| 01:12.31 | Bhoodha | type "ssh -v" and it will show y0ou why |
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| 01:14.36 | abrotman | rdns ? |
| 01:15.07 | Supaplex | apt-get install spare-lung |
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| 01:16.03 | Supaplex | because the 386 you're sshed into has a load of 70 and only 4mb of ram (yea, wild guess) |
| 01:16.14 | Supaplex | :p |
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| 01:17.47 | yassine | does debian support enlightment ? |
| 01:18.43 | abrotman | !info enlightenment sarge |
| 01:18.47 | dpkg | enlightenment: (The Enlightenment Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:0.16.7.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 407 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 01:19.03 | snowbird | has Liable ben around? |
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| 01:20.16 | abrotman | he's probably not awake yet |
| 01:20.33 | snowbird | tell iam Looking for him |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | just wait for him |
| 01:21.02 | abrotman | or ask the other 600 people here |
| 01:21.11 | snowbird | il come back |
| 01:21.24 | snowbird | hell be around |
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| 01:22.29 | Azar | ok snobird |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | or ask the other 600 people here |
| 01:22.29 | snowbird | thanks |
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| 01:22.34 | abrotman | snowbird: what's wrong with asking us ? |
| 01:22.40 | snowbird | nothing |
| 01:22.48 | kuto | hi all |
| 01:22.53 | snowbird | its just for him |
| 01:23.02 | snowbird | trying to find him |
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| 01:24.52 | Azar | ok Im gonna get my name debianized |
| 01:25.10 | Supaplex | !seen Liable |
| 01:25.11 | dpkg | liable <n=liable@pdpc/supporter/active/liable> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 13h 24m 43s ago, saying: '!ping'. |
| 01:25.26 | Supaplex | snowbird: ^^^ |
| 01:25.27 | Azar | xfonts-azar-pex |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | i'd say he's on vacation :) |
| 01:25.40 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:25.53 | blahdeblah_ | No takers on the 965 chipset issue? |
| 01:26.01 | snowbird | thanks |
| 01:26.24 | Azar | hehe I just found out abrotman's |
| 01:26.30 | abrotman | my what ? |
| 01:26.49 | Guerin | your secret name |
| 01:26.49 | Azar | if you were a debian package, your name would be abrotman-howto-es |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | blahdeblah_: you're not the only one to mention this |
| 01:26.56 | Guerin | by which he can make you do his bidding |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | Azar: uhm .. okay |
| 01:27.05 | abrotman | blahdeblah_: does it have a legacy mode ? |
| 01:27.44 | Azar | Guerin yours is doc-guerin-txt-eo |
| 01:27.50 | PingFloyd | blahdeblah_: what was the issue? |
| 01:28.05 | Guerin | Azar: that's not even a real debian package-like name |
| 01:28.20 | Azar | hmm |
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| 01:28.54 | blahdeblah_ | abrotman: Not that i can tell. |
| 01:28.54 | blahdeblah_ | PingFloyd: Apparently Intel dropped PATA from their south bridge and it has to be supported by another chip on the mobo (in my case Marvell). |
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| 01:29.18 | blahdeblah_ | SUSE 10.2 boots OK, i assume because it has a more recent kernel. |
| 01:29.21 | Azar | Guerin, it does not come out on any other configuration try yourself: http://pigdog.org/features/dpn.html |
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| 01:29.57 | Guerin | Azar: i get louisg-image-2.4.15-alpha |
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| 01:30.11 | Azar | :) that looks better |
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| 01:33.14 | p0laris | Hello. |
| 01:33.58 | p0laris | How do we chat through proxy? Which client should we use? |
| 01:34.10 | PingFloyd | blahdeblah_: did you try a different methods? |
| 01:34.24 | Ronin | p0laris: anyone |
| 01:34.36 | p0laris | Ronin, How to do it? |
| 01:34.42 | p0laris | Ronin, , I use IRSSI right now |
| 01:34.43 | PingFloyd | like using the floppy images, or businesscard images etc |
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| 01:35.10 | Ronin | p0laris: looked on the irssi documemtation page? |
| 01:35.58 | p0laris | Ronin, Good idea.. One second |
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| 01:37.15 | blahdeblah_ | PingFloyd: Not sure what you mean - i can't get it to boot from the netinst CD, so there's not much more i can do. |
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| 01:43.25 | PingFloyd | blahdeblah_: if you can't get the CD to boot, you could try the floppy images instead |
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| 01:45.12 | PingFloyd | however, there may be other issues for why the CD you made won't boot |
| 01:45.28 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 01:45.42 | Guerin | blahdeblah_: or find out which kernel is needed |
| 01:46.30 | PingFloyd | how far into bootup do you get with the netinst CD you made? |
| 01:48.28 | Azar | hehe a guy blogs about Etch: "I am scared of Etch...... Where are the hours of fiddling around how to properly add USB stuff to the system? Where are the evenings you needed to debug such stuff? Nowadays it just works? Where's the Debian we all knew?" :) |
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| 01:50.17 | amphi | Azar: url? |
| 01:50.19 | The_Hunter | what's debian like compared to gentoo or kubuntu? |
| 01:50.27 | Ronin | The_Hunter: better |
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| 01:50.36 | PingFloyd | The_Hunter: it's debian |
| 01:50.37 | The_Hunter | Ronin, why? |
| 01:50.46 | Ronin | because its debian |
| 01:50.51 | Azar | amphi: http://www.infodrom.org/~joey/log/?200609102259 |
| 01:50.55 | The_Hunter | I never installed it before |
| 01:50.59 | amphi | Azar: thanks |
| 01:51.14 | PingFloyd | I guess you'd like gentoo better if you like to micro-manage every little thing |
| 01:51.28 | Ronin | The_Hunter: got some free disk space? give it a go, you'll not be long blowing away the disk and making it your main distro |
| 01:51.42 | The_Hunter | cool |
| 01:51.53 | The_Hunter | I liked gentoo a lot, except for the compile times |
| 01:52.11 | The_Hunter | and ubuntu/kubuntu seem not very linux like |
| 01:52.23 | Azar | The_Hunter: to me debian is a more serious distro than gentoo (crazy distro) or ubuntu ( easy for those who love the desktop eye candy gadgets ) |
| 01:52.44 | Ronin | The_Hunter: they're certainly linux, i guess it depends on your definition/view of what linux is |
| 01:52.53 | amphi | !tell The_Hunter about why debian |
| 01:52.53 | PingFloyd | Debian is kind of a more admin oriented distro IMHO |
| 01:53.06 | The_Hunter | gentoo is nice for servers i find, since it's very customizable |
| 01:53.16 | PingFloyd | has alot of things that admins would tend to like |
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| 01:53.26 | cool_sun | dondek |
| 01:53.35 | Nibbier | gentoo is difficult to maintain |
| 01:54.01 | PingFloyd | that's because it's too blind sided |
| 01:54.02 | Azar | gentoo is like a toykit for kids who love breaking their toys |
| 01:54.09 | snowbird | lol |
| 01:54.15 | Nibbier | i had it 1.5 years on server and desktop, blocking packages during updates, changing depenecies causing a whole X to be installed suddenly |
| 01:54.23 | The_Hunter | xorg is the only thing I had trouble with |
| 01:54.38 | The_Hunter | Nibbier, yes there is that |
| 01:54.46 | Nibbier | difficult questions about if you want to remove package A or B, with weird names i ahve never heard b4 and dont know what they do... |
| 01:54.51 | The_Hunter | portage is not very nicely maintained |
| 01:54.52 | PingFloyd | the micro-management with it, is pretty ridiculous |
| 01:55.29 | Azar | hehe gentoo looks like one of Sid's toys |
| 01:55.42 | The_Hunter | can I update debian like gentoo? updating the entire system without reinstalling? |
| 01:55.44 | Nibbier | "metacity-themes is blocking metacity-designs, cannot continue update...." ftw |
| 01:55.48 | PingFloyd | gentoo is like: I need to get from TX to Canada, so I'll find the backroad that has the most stop lights |
| 01:55.48 | Ronin | The_Hunter: yes |
| 01:55.50 | The_Hunter | such as kernels, etc |
| 01:55.50 | Nibbier | sure The_Hunter |
| 01:56.14 | Azar | The_Hunter: but it only goes one way: >> up. No way to get back |
| 01:56.15 | The_Hunter | alright, i'm starting the dl :) |
| 01:56.32 | Nibbier | Azar, really? dist-downgrade should be also possible... not? |
| 01:56.41 | Azar | Nibbier: no |
| 01:56.45 | Ronin | Nibbier: not on debian no its not |
| 01:56.53 | Azar | Reinstall to the desired old version is required |
| 01:57.03 | Ronin | The_Hunter: you on a high speed connection? |
| 01:57.24 | The_Hunter | Debian for IA-64, is that amd64 |
| 01:57.26 | Nibbier | :-\ ok then.... then i didnt do it :] |
| 01:57.28 | The_Hunter | Ronin, yes |
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| 01:57.38 | Azar | Also, if you run Debian you gotta use the deb tools, the debian way, if you run the Stable version. All packages are "frozen" in stable. |
| 01:57.51 | p0laris | Ronin, can you tell me again/ |
| 01:58.05 | g333k | why do I receive this message? when apt-get updating? "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs:A70DAF536070D3A1" |
| 01:58.13 | abrotman | g333k: /topic .. again |
| 01:58.25 | asg | abrotman: topicsmite? |
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| 01:58.34 | Ronin | g333k: /topic |
| 01:58.37 | g333k | abrotman, excuse me? |
| 01:58.48 | PingFloyd | you don't have to use deb tools, and employ the debian way, but you're a fool not to :) |
| 01:58.49 | Ronin | g333k: read the topic |
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| 01:59.08 | PingFloyd | if you don't, you're just going to make life alot harder than it needs to be |
| 01:59.36 | Azar | PingFloyd: most people moving from other distros, don't know and start boinking |
| 01:59.37 | p0laris | Ronin, I recompiled irssi with-socks, now what do I do? |
| 01:59.40 | Ronin | The_Hunter: if so i was going to suggest the net install but first some reading on the different releases of debian may be in order |
| 01:59.47 | PingFloyd | Azar: yeah |
| 01:59.50 | The_Hunter | apparently there is no port for x64? |
| 01:59.50 | Ronin | p0laris: you read the irssi docs or ask in #irssi |
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| 02:00.03 | PingFloyd | Azar: alot of them are the ones that hate it -- all because they weren't willing to learn |
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| 02:01.05 | abrotman | The_Hunter: yes |
| 02:01.08 | abrotman | there is |
| 02:01.24 | DavidProck1981 | can someone tell me how to check what glibc version i have |
| 02:01.28 | Azar | The_Hunter: Debian comes in three versions: stable-Sarge with highest kernel 2.6.8 / testing-Etch with 2.6.17(18) kernel, and unstable-Sid (sky is the limit and can break anytime you wish) |
| 02:01.39 | asg | DavidProck1981: dpkg -l | grep libc6 |
| 02:01.48 | p0laris | Ronin, cannot find help from either... I will ask in this room to see if anyone knows |
| 02:02.02 | asg | DavidProck1981: or just run /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 02:02.18 | abrotman | snarf! |
| 02:02.34 | Ronin | p0laris: problem is you dont have a debian problem so they may be limited here, its definitely an irssi one though so >> :) |
| 02:02.47 | p0laris | Ronin, true :) |
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| 02:03.08 | PumpkinPie | how can I tell what I/O my processes are using? |
| 02:03.10 | Azar | p0laris, if they are not answering you... google and read the irssi documentation |
| 02:03.20 | p0laris | Azar, ok |
| 02:04.07 | DavidProck1981 | is 2.3.6 mast recent |
| 02:04.08 | Ronin | p0laris: #irssi is pretty good on freenode, i used to hang out there a lot, they will expect you to have read the docs though |
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| 02:04.23 | p0laris | Ronin, Alright |
| 02:04.27 | DavidProck1981 | most* |
| 02:04.35 | Kitu | please stand up |
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| 02:04.48 | Ronin | Kitu: 22:00 stretch time? |
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| 02:05.07 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: do not fuck with your glibc version, ever |
| 02:05.07 | Kitu | 3h04 at home ;) |
| 02:05.33 | asg | DavidProck1981: for sid and probably etch |
| 02:05.33 | Kitu | euh |
| 02:05.42 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: it's the most fundamental set of libraris on your system, upon whicheverything else relies |
| 02:05.46 | Kitu | who know well fglrx driver ? |
| 02:05.56 | Kitu | who is know well fglrx driver ? |
| 02:05.58 | Guerin | Kitu: the people in #fglrx or #ati |
| 02:05.59 | Kitu | ... |
| 02:05.59 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 02:05.59 | dpkg | from memory, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 02:06.08 | Kitu | hummmmm |
| 02:06.16 | DavidProck1981 | Kitu...... |
| 02:06.35 | Kitu | what ? |
| 02:06.46 | DavidProck1981 | im recompiling my kernel now so my fglrx driver will do better |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | futile |
| 02:07.23 | abrotman | and pointless |
| 02:08.32 | DavidProck1981 | later |
| 02:08.33 | sng | abrotman: Has he ever done anything that isn't futile and pointless? :) |
| 02:08.35 | PingFloyd | personally, I don't see much point in recompiling your kernel unless it comes down to it to get something to work |
| 02:08.48 | PingFloyd | or maybe in certain other rare cases |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | sng: that guy ... hasn't done anything useful :) |
| 02:08.58 | g333k | Hi, I remember I generated my gpg key last year an added it to a server... I have formatted my pc and reinstalled debian.. now what should I do with my key? import it ? |
| 02:09.08 | abrotman | g333k: /topic |
| 02:09.32 | g333k | again? |
| 02:09.37 | asg | yes, again |
| 02:10.05 | g333k | but now I'm talking about my key |
| 02:10.19 | abrotman | your own personal key ? |
| 02:10.25 | g333k | abrotman, yep |
| 02:10.32 | Kitu | DavidProck1981 witch options ? |
| 02:10.37 | DavidProck1981 | this is important that i do, my card is card is supported by a VERY FINE STRING that has a knife cut half way into the string |
| 02:10.57 | asg | g333k: if you don't have the private key, then you will need to create a new one and hope that you never have to decrypt anything encrypted with it. |
| 02:10.58 | DavidProck1981 | u get my point |
| 02:11.04 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about u |
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| 02:11.11 | DavidProck1981 | 'you' |
| 02:11.18 | Kitu | i don't understand :( |
| 02:11.25 | abrotman | !tell Kitu about fglrx |
| 02:11.29 | g333k | asg, I dont understand |
| 02:11.37 | Kitu | rho it's good |
| 02:11.44 | Kitu | i know search on google thx |
| 02:11.58 | g333k | asg, there is my key http://keyserver.freenet.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=gonzalo+alvarez |
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| 02:12.13 | asg | g333k: that's your public key. Do you still have the private key? |
| 02:12.13 | DavidProck1981 | well for one the kernel has to be compiled with the game version of gcc that the fglrx driver will be compiled with |
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| 02:13.18 | Kitu | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver << this script is just for a simple fglrx installation |
| 02:13.20 | DavidProck1981 | and while im setting it to fit my pc better |
| 02:13.24 | PumpkinPie | how can I tell what IO or disk usage my processes are using ? |
| 02:13.27 | Kitu | and it's not my problem |
| 02:13.41 | asg | PumpkinPie: the acct package can probably help |
| 02:13.48 | g333k | asg, I think nop... because I installed debian again... but I have a backup of my old .gnupg directory |
| 02:14.19 | Kitu | abrotman http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver << this script is just for a simple fglrx installation |
| 02:14.29 | asg | g333k: then copy your old .gnupg directory from backups to your new machine and you should be fine. |
| 02:14.36 | abrotman | Kitu: and ? |
| 02:14.50 | abrotman | Kitu: which card do you have .. and which version of debian ? |
| 02:14.51 | Kitu | and it' not my problem :) |
| 02:14.53 | DavidProck1981 | later im doing a lot of thinking |
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| 02:15.04 | abrotman | he'll be back in a second |
| 02:15.05 | Kitu | ati radeon 9000 pro |
| 02:15.06 | g333k | asg, just like that? |
| 02:15.16 | asg | g333k: yes, it's just a file in a directory |
| 02:15.28 | g333k | I really dont undesrtand well that thing about keys |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | Kitu: which version of debian ? |
| 02:15.40 | Kitu | 4.0, etch |
| 02:15.56 | abrotman | Kitu: use the radeon driver .. don't use the fglrx driver |
| 02:16.03 | Kitu | rho |
| 02:16.09 | Kitu | with atitvout ? |
| 02:16.17 | Kitu | i have tryed |
| 02:16.21 | Kitu | i had tryed |
| 02:16.26 | The_Hunter | I guessing I want this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:16.27 | Kitu | there is sometimes |
| 02:16.55 | abrotman | The_Hunter: that's one of them |
| 02:16.55 | asg | g333k: think of an uber-key that is like a cookie. You break it in half. Each half is subtly, fractally different from any other broken cookie. You give one half (the public key) to the world. You keep the other half for yourself, well guarded ... Don't eat it. |
| 02:16.56 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 02:16.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 02:17.03 | g333k | how do I check the validity of a key? |
| 02:17.15 | Guerin | asg: haha |
| 02:17.23 | Kitu | abrotman, radeon driver is installed on debian's base ? |
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| 02:17.29 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:17.35 | asg | Guerin: it's the best analogy I could construct given the amount of beer I've had today |
| 02:17.35 | Kitu | ok i tryed to see |
| 02:17.49 | g333k | asg, Ok so I keep this second half in a safe place right? |
| 02:17.58 | Guerin | asg: it's so technically wrong ... but it gives exactly the right impression. |
| 02:17.59 | asg | g333k: yes. Backups are a good idea |
| 02:18.11 | asg | Guerin: for this audience, it will suffice |
| 02:18.19 | g333k | asg, how do I check the validity of a key? |
| 02:18.21 | Guerin | lies-to-children! |
| 02:18.31 | Guerin | g333k: you use the othe rhalf of the cookie, duh |
| 02:18.33 | asg | Guerin: to help them unlearn said lies |
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| 02:20.38 | shwag | how do I change me default text editor ? |
| 02:20.49 | g333k | any clue to my question? |
| 02:20.52 | asg | shwag: export EDITOR=/path/to/what/i/want |
| 02:21.01 | dos000_ | hi ... is it possible to get dhcp3-server in sarge to giveout 2 ip addresses for one single interface ? |
| 02:21.10 | asg | shwag: put it in your dotfiles (man <your shell> ; /INVOCATION) |
| 02:21.58 | shwag | asg: for all users though |
| 02:22.08 | shwag | isnt there a debian defaults or something ? |
| 02:22.08 | asg | shwag: update-alternatives |
| 02:22.36 | shwag | asg: sudo update-alternatives --config editor |
| 02:22.49 | asg | shwag: sounds reasonable |
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| 02:25.19 | dondelelcaro | sensible-editor obeys EDITOR if it is set or /usr/bin/editor if it is not, or nano-tiny if that doesn't work. |
| 02:25.30 | dondelelcaro | (and almost everything in Debian uses sensible-editor) |
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| 02:25.37 | shwag | so how do I troubleshoot a cronjob that doesnt seem to be running? |
| 02:25.46 | unlink | read you mail. |
| 02:25.50 | sanabriamusic | hi |
| 02:25.51 | unlink | s/you/your |
| 02:25.58 | dondelelcaro | shwag: make sure mail is working on that machine, and that you've got MAILTO set appropriately. |
| 02:26.08 | sanabriamusic | where can i find the floppy files to do a network install |
| 02:26.21 | abrotman | !bf |
| 02:26.21 | dpkg | hmm... sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want etch/testing change "stable" to "etch". |
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| 02:27.19 | sanabriamusic | i write boot.img to a floppy and it will boot? |
| 02:27.30 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: only one way to be sure |
| 02:27.47 | sanabriamusic | oki thanks |
| 02:27.55 | Djuve | anyone, where can i get the /etc/init.d/apache2 back? i've lost deleting |
| 02:27.56 | PingFloyd | sanabriamusic: depends upon how you go about it |
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| 02:28.14 | sanabriamusic | i have an old laptop thta wont boot from cd |
| 02:28.21 | PingFloyd | sanabriamusic: under what os are trying to create the floppies? |
| 02:28.23 | sanabriamusic | i want to install debian |
| 02:28.24 | g333k | how do I check the validity of a key? :( |
| 02:28.31 | sanabriamusic | debian |
| 02:28.37 | sanabriamusic | under debian |
| 02:28.41 | Guerin | g333k: use the other half of the cookie! |
| 02:28.53 | PumpkinPie | how do I real a acct file? it looks like its sorta binary ? |
| 02:29.12 | sanabriamusic | is boot.img sufficient? |
| 02:29.15 | unlink | PumpkinPie: ask file. |
| 02:29.17 | asg | PumpkinPie: man sar |
| 02:29.18 | unlink | PumpkinPie: man 1 file |
| 02:29.19 | sanabriamusic | to start? |
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| 02:30.13 | sanabriamusic | how do i do the 2 floppy network install thing |
| 02:30.17 | PingFloyd | sanabriamusic: you need at least boot.img and root.img |
| 02:30.24 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 02:30.28 | PingFloyd | but you may need the other images as well depending on your hardware |
| 02:30.40 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 02:30.52 | g333k | Guerin, what do you mean? |
| 02:31.05 | Guerin | g333k: your question doesn't make sense. |
| 02:31.21 | g333k | Guerin, I want to add a key to my ring... but I dont not if this key is a good one |
| 02:31.33 | Guerin | g333k: get it from a source you trust |
| 02:31.35 | Djuve | anyone can send me the /etc/init.d/apache2 ??? i'v lost mine |
| 02:31.53 | Ronin | Djuve: lost? how could you loose it? |
| 02:32.03 | g333k | Guerin, That's why I want to know how to check if this key is valid |
| 02:32.04 | asg | Djuve: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:32.11 | asg | Ronin: s/lost/deleted/ |
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| 02:32.14 | sanabriamusic | thank you guys |
| 02:32.32 | Ronin | asg: ya i figured as much, im in a mood so i wanted them to say it |
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| 02:32.57 | Guerin | g333k: you clearly didn't get it from a source you trust |
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| 02:33.40 | g333k | Guerin, its a key that is in my repos |
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| 02:34.15 | dclarke | hello ... is there a way to force the debian installer to use serial console only ? |
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| 02:34.31 | Guerin | g333k: where did you GET IT FROM? |
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| 02:34.42 | g333k | Guerin, and in my repos I just have the official servers of debian, ftp.de and security |
| 02:34.57 | Guerin | g333k: you don't GET a fucking key from a repo |
| 02:35.14 | Guerin | g333k: you download it from a keyserver or a website or something |
| 02:35.14 | g333k | Guerin, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 02:35.20 | Guerin | ok |
| 02:35.24 | Guerin | do you trust that site? |
| 02:35.36 | Guerin | hint: it ends in `debian.org' |
| 02:35.46 | g333k | Guerin, of course... |
| 02:36.16 | g333k | Guerin, but... I really want to know how to check the validity of the key |
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| 02:36.24 | Guerin | g333k: so if you trust the source, why do you need to verify it, and how would you even verify it other than by verifying that it came from a trusted source? |
| 02:36.25 | g333k | just to know... how to |
| 02:36.29 | Djuve | hey, what command should i use to rebuild the apt dependencies? |
| 02:36.38 | dclarke | okay .. I'll leave .. this seems to be a pissing contest going on |
| 02:36.39 | Guerin | g333k: you don't know what you're saying, it doesn't actually mean anything. |
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| 02:36.57 | Guerin | dclarke: just wait, someone might know |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | dclarke: i think there is .. check the install guide |
| 02:38.10 | Guerin | Djuve: your question is unclear. |
| 02:38.42 | dclarke | am checking there now .. it says DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text |
| 02:38.50 | Azar | mannnn... been for more than 3 years on Debian and never knew about apt-get moo |
| 02:38.52 | Djuve | Guerin: i've read somewher like apt-get rebuild, something.... |
| 02:38.53 | Azar | :) |
| 02:39.11 | Guerin | !wayttd Djuve |
| 02:39.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Djuve? |
| 02:39.22 | Guerin | Djuve: use plain language the meaning of which you actually know |
| 02:39.26 | Guerin | not making up terminology |
| 02:39.35 | g333k | Guerin, really? So dpkg tells things that means anything? |
| 02:39.40 | g333k | Guerin, read... |
| 02:39.41 | Azar | Djuve: help Guerin to understand you |
| 02:39.46 | g333k | !no public key |
| 02:39.46 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 02:39.58 | g333k | Guerin, "you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity..." |
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| 02:40.10 | Guerin | g333k: that's not checking the *key* it's checking the *signatures* |
| 02:40.21 | Guerin | g333k: now I see what you're trying to do. |
| 02:40.30 | Guerin | ah well |
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| 02:40.33 | Azar | yep he was trying to run |
| 02:40.41 | Guerin | i hope he finds `man gpg' at some point |
| 02:40.58 | g333k | excuse? I lost connection |
| 02:41.11 | ryoohki | is the a command in debian like chkconfig for listing and editing services at start up? |
| 02:41.13 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 02:41.23 | Djuve | Guerin: i'm not god of debian... just i'm getting a problem to install web server profile with tasksel, but just when i was prompted with apache2-mpm-worker could't be installed. |
| 02:41.35 | asg | ryoohki: update-rc.d, rcconf |
| 02:41.38 | Azar | ryoohki: "processes" |
| 02:41.45 | ryoohki | great - thanks! |
| 02:42.04 | Djuve | Guerin: i think that rebuild the dependencies tree could be the first step to solve this problem. |
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| 02:42.28 | Guerin | g333k: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#head-9332f873587805e9c15d90508a87e03c7713dce9 |
| 02:42.51 | Azar | g333k: when done, do an apt-get moo :) |
| 02:43.13 | Guerin | Djuve: in all my years of debian, i've never heard of `rebuilding the dependency tree'. Apt does that every time you run irt. |
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| 02:43.55 | abrotman | Djuve: paste the error |
| 02:43.55 | dclarke | I am at a freaking loss as to how to boot this installer with ttya console only |
| 02:43.56 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:43.57 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:43.58 | Djuve | Guerin: i mean the dependencies for especific package.. |
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| 02:44.23 | Guerin | Djuve: yeah. They don't change unless you get a new package version which happens to be different. |
| 02:44.27 | Djuve | abrotman: its in another language, let me translate for u.. |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | LANG=C <command> |
| 02:44.42 | Guerin | Djuve: kill tasksel, paste the error and we can work it out manually |
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| 02:47.47 | Djuve | Guerin: well the first error is about of some line in apache2 init script - but i warning you, i've try to solve copying from another one, course not working.. |
| 02:47.57 | g333k | Guerin, can you send me again the link please? |
| 02:48.10 | apfel | I'd like to mount an NTFS partition and write on it. mount also tells me it's mounted rw but if I try to create a file via touch it says "Permission denied". Any ideas? |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | umask ? |
| 02:48.49 | apfel | I tried umask=000 and also played with uid and gid |
| 02:48.52 | g333k | is it possible to write in NTFS fs? |
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| 02:49.23 | apfel | It worked with another windows installation on the same harddisk |
| 02:49.36 | apfel | g333k: it is |
| 02:49.50 | g333k | apfel, without any risk? |
| 02:50.02 | apfel | g333k: well, that I can't tell :) |
| 02:50.15 | Djuve | is so hard to get extract the apache2 init script? |
| 02:50.26 | apfel | g333k: I used to store data on it and I never experienced any problems |
| 02:50.30 | g333k | I knew that it was possible just to remove files |
| 02:50.55 | Guerin | g333k: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#head-9332f873587805e9c15d90508a87e03c7713dce9 |
| 02:51.46 | apfel | I cannot even delete any files on it: Operation not permitted. (umask=000) |
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| 02:52.24 | abrotman | mount point perms ? |
| 02:52.46 | asg | abrotman: mount point perms sounds like a rather expensive spa |
| 02:52.47 | apfel | mount -t ntfs -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 02:52.48 | Guerin | apfel: NTFS isn't writable under debian without extensive modifications |
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| 02:53.12 | abrotman | asg: get your mind out of the gutter! |
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| 02:53.27 | Guerin | apfel: how is an expensive spa the gutter? |
| 02:53.29 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:53.30 | Guerin | abrotman: |
| 02:53.42 | Asmodee` | Debian 3.1: default kernel is 2.6.8. I compiled a vanila kernel earlier today 2.6.19.1 and the system rebooted, responded to ping, but does not respond to ssh. I have not setup iptables yet, so that can't be part of the problem. So I decided to use the config from my default 2.6.8 kernel and the same issue occurs. I initially thought either my ext2/3 modules werent being loaded or that unix98 wasnt being loaded, or tcp/ip, but I checked and those are al |
| 02:53.58 | apfel | Guerin: Seriously? What have I been doing then with my other XP installation? Hmmm |
| 02:54.12 | abrotman | Guerin: asg always wants to get me naked at the spa! |
| 02:54.28 | asg | abrotman: Spa Francorchamps? |
| 02:54.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:54.56 | asg | abrotman: I'd nibble dead kittens to go there |
| 02:54.57 | Guerin | apfel: it's not using ntfs? |
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| 02:55.19 | Guerin | abrotman: sounds like fun. A spa full of IPA! |
| 02:55.31 | apfel | Guerin: are there XP installations on non-NTFS filesystems? |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | Guerin: ew .. all sticky |
| 02:55.41 | Guerin | apfel: absolutely |
| 02:55.51 | findme | +-. |
| 02:55.57 | apfel | hmm |
| 02:55.58 | asg | abrotman: I think he was intimating that you would like the sticky off |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:56.10 | stoned | intimating? |
| 02:56.17 | asg | !dict intimating |
| 02:56.19 | dpkg | Dictionary 'intimating' (1 of 4): Intimate \In"ti*mate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Intimated; p. pr. & vb. n. Intimating.] [L. intimatus, p. p. of intimare to put, bring, drive, or press into, to announce, make known, from intimus the inmost. See Intimate, a.] 1. To announce; to declare; to publish; to communicate; to make known. [Obs.]. |
| 02:56.36 | Djuve | please, anyone could send me the apache init script??? |
| 02:56.44 | asg | Djuve: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 02:56.53 | stoned | I learned a new word today |
| 02:57.05 | stoned | looks like intimating with my wife takes a new meaning now |
| 02:57.09 | asg | Djuve: and /msg dpkg search (since you are probably using the factoid to look at the wrong package) |
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| 02:57.34 | abrotman | Djuve: /msg dpkg confmiss .. and apache-common |
| 02:57.59 | amphi | stoned: have another: infundibuliform ;) |
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| 02:58.10 | stoned | asgwpw |
| 02:58.12 | stoned | wow |
| 02:58.17 | findme | .+-3 765p;p'76lo |
| 02:58.23 | asg | findme: knock it off |
| 02:58.56 | asg | !tell findme about ATH0 |
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| 02:59.20 | bassinboy | anyone know a way to list all users on a nix box? |
| 02:59.27 | amphi | dubya |
| 02:59.37 | asg | bassinboy: who |
| 02:59.44 | amphi | or cat /etc/passwd |
| 03:00.00 | Djuve | abrotman: dpkg does't help me, justi with trivial... all i need is the apache2 standard debian init script.. |
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| 03:00.04 | abrotman | getent passwd ? |
| 03:00.15 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 03:00.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:00.19 | abrotman | that doesn't help you ? |
| 03:00.45 | Djuve | really nice.. |
| 03:00.51 | asg | Djuve: substitute <packagename> in the above factoide with apache-common |
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| 03:01.30 | stoned | Djuve, dpkg is a bot here as well as the dpkg program that installs shit |
| 03:01.46 | stoned | the bot is named after the thingermajig |
| 03:01.46 | asg | asg@grep:~$ dpkg -i shit |
| 03:01.47 | asg | dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 03:01.51 | bassinboy | # su vu2003 |
| 03:01.51 | bassinboy | # whoami |
| 03:01.51 | bassinboy | root |
| 03:01.55 | bassinboy | arg |
| 03:02.30 | abrotman | nice |
| 03:02.49 | bassinboy | oh that account uses /bin/false |
| 03:02.57 | bassinboy | i guess that might have something to do with it |
| 03:03.11 | Asmodee` | yeah, vhcs wasnt meant to allow it's users to use shell :P |
| 03:03.18 | bassinboy | haha |
| 03:03.23 | Asmodee` | or really do anything |
| 03:04.09 | bassinboy | well, poo, i need to extact an e107 zip but i dont want to haggle with it being under root's permissions |
| 03:04.10 | nextstate | I am trying to do a pxe boot on a dell nas. Seems like it downloads something off the dhcp server because it spits out a bunch of text in a small column of which the first line contains the Debian copyright, Then it stops. If I hit a key it reboots. If I just wait it will reboot eventually on its own. Any ideas? |
| 03:04.31 | Asmodee` | just extract and then change ownership, or change the shell temporarily, or extract it as a user and then switch to root and move the file and change owner to the other vu2003 user |
| 03:04.51 | Asmodee` | bassinboy: it is my best advice that you stop using vhcs as soon as possible... its hard to switch after you get started :P |
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| 03:05.07 | Asmodee` | at least im guessing you're using it because i remember your nick on vhcs related stuff |
| 03:05.24 | bassinboy | Asmodee`: lol, well, i'm setting this up for someone else, and i get free hosting out of it |
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| 03:05.55 | Asmodee` | ill give you free hosting if you can figure out this weird problem im having |
| 03:06.08 | bassinboy | Asmodee`: Debian ? no thanks ;) |
| 03:07.04 | Asmodee` | well im thinking this is either something from the kernel im leaving out due to some sort of change in configuration between 2.6.8 and 2.6.19.1, OR, debian is getting hung up in some init script |
| 03:07.32 | bassinboy | well, i gave the user /bin/bash but it still doesn't su |
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| 03:09.29 | Djuve | or am i too stupid, or my system really wants bugg me.... how could i retrieve the conf files from packages, arg!! nothing work, --force confmiss, reinstal, force, force, all i need is the damm apache2 init script, sorry about my stres |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 03:09.43 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 03:10.04 | abrotman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache-common |
| 03:10.08 | abrotman | is it apache 1 or 2 ? |
| 03:10.13 | Djuve | apache 2 |
| 03:10.15 | abrotman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2-common |
| 03:10.28 | bassinboy | i dont think i've ever seen an option that lets you unzip and give ownership to another user and group, have you? |
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| 03:12.07 | Djuve | abrotman: works, fine, really thanks.. |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | does it ? |
| 03:13.36 | Djuve | debian, i'm loving it! |
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| 03:14.33 | Djuve | abrotman: sorry, but somethings make no sense since you use slackware for to long... |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | no i didn't! |
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| 03:15.10 | Djuve | debian is easier, but you have to relearn basics tools.. |
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| 03:15.47 | Djuve | i'm used to compile, recompile, diffent file locations.. change and patche files by my own.. |
| 03:15.56 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 03:15.56 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 03:16.28 | Djuve | and now i have to face the apt, such a wonderfull tool, but with a lot of options.. |
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| 03:20.35 | delire | why does gksudo 'hang' on |
| 03:20.37 | delire | GNOME_SUDO_PASS |
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| 03:21.22 | findme | asg, sorry it was my 2 year old |
| 03:21.44 | delire | whereas sudo doesn't. 'sudo ls' works fine, whereas 'gksudo ls' appears to receive no kb input, nor does it provide me with a Gtk input interface. |
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| 03:26.08 | devin_ | does this look right mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 doing it all by memory |
| 03:26.26 | abrotman | man mkfs ? |
| 03:26.26 | rahul | devin_: that's right if that's what you want to do |
| 03:26.34 | devin_ | ok |
| 03:26.40 | rahul | devin_: which means you better not hope on having good performance |
| 03:26.46 | Daveman | :) |
| 03:27.00 | devin_ | rahul whys that? |
| 03:27.12 | rahul | devin_: because you're going to have two drives fighting with each other |
| 03:27.33 | devin_ | well i want the one drive to be my /home |
| 03:27.44 | rahul | even worse |
| 03:27.51 | rahul | you'll have constant contention |
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| 03:28.14 | devin_ | well how should i do it then? |
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| 03:29.21 | rahul | devin_: use separate ide channels per device |
| 03:29.56 | devin_ | hmm |
| 03:29.59 | devin_ | brb |
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| 03:30.54 | delire | please ignore earlier question regarding gksudo. i'm stupid enough to be running Unstable. the package was broken on this site. |
| 03:31.21 | abrotman | !pal delire |
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| 03:33.52 | amarjan | hi all, i have a kernel/network question that has me stumped |
| 03:34.32 | Supaplex | apt-get install --reinstall lung |
| 03:34.36 | amarjan | tried to make an existing sarge server into a firewall, threw in a via-rhine card, rebooted, it saw the card with kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 |
| 03:34.51 | amarjan | i stupidly upgraded to kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
| 03:35.10 | amarjan | now the via-rhine module is loaded, but the network interface isn't recognized |
| 03:35.18 | amarjan | also the card doesn't show up in /proc/interrupts |
| 03:35.27 | abrotman | anything in dmesg ? |
| 03:36.02 | amarjan | via-rhine.c:v1.10-LK1.1.20-2.6 May-23-2004 Written by Donald Becker |
| 03:36.02 | amarjan | PCI: Found IRQ 12 for device 0000:00:0a.0 |
| 03:36.10 | amarjan | Linux Tulip driver version 1.1.13 (May 11, 2002) |
| 03:36.10 | amarjan | PCI: Found IRQ 10 for device 0000:00:0b.0 |
| 03:36.10 | amarjan | eth0: Macronix 98715 PMAC rev 32 at 0x7000, 00:80:C6:F9:B3:B5, IRQ 10. |
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| 03:36.16 | Guerin | wtf |
| 03:36.22 | Guerin | stop with the goddamn pasting |
| 03:36.23 | rahul | thanks for the flood |
| 03:36.30 | amarjan | sorry |
| 03:36.31 | rahul | where's Noah? |
| 03:36.46 | abrotman | eww .. tulip |
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| 03:37.12 | rahul | tulip rules |
| 03:37.31 | amarjan | alas the tulip is fine, the via-rhine is no longer recognized |
| 03:37.32 | sussudio | tulip sucks ass. that's why rahul likes it. |
| 03:37.35 | rahul | direct transfers, etc |
| 03:37.39 | rahul | su su sudio |
| 03:37.47 | rahul | as long as it sucks my ass. |
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| 03:38.15 | abrotman | tulip really is bad |
| 03:38.20 | abrotman | used to be great .. not anymore |
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| 03:38.45 | delire | sad but true. |
| 03:39.52 | rahul | the driver? |
| 03:40.12 | rahul | is it bad with real tulips? |
| 03:40.20 | abrotman | it's all bad |
| 03:40.24 | Supaplex | no, they just taste funny now |
| 03:40.34 | abrotman | i have DEC cards that no longer work in linux |
| 03:40.41 | rahul | abrotman: so the chips have been retroactively changed? what are you saying? |
| 03:40.52 | rahul | if the chip wasn't bad before, why is it bad now? |
| 03:40.53 | abrotman | yes .. i soldered new chips on them |
| 03:41.15 | abrotman | rahul: NFC .. they just don't work .. go read the driver/changelog .. i don't care enough to find out .. new NICs are cheaper than my time |
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| 03:41.21 | Supaplex | core duo tulips are in |
| 03:41.28 | fokker680 | hi everyone |
| 03:41.31 | rahul | abrotman: shrug. mine works. |
| 03:41.39 | abrotman | rahul: which kernel? which device ? |
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| 03:41.48 | Supaplex | 2.0.x |
| 03:41.51 | designdream | what place would be the best place to get help on regex? |
| 03:41.52 | rahul | abrotman: 2.6.8. it's a netgear um.. what was the good one? |
| 03:42.03 | rahul | eth0: Lite-On 82c168 PNIC rev 32 |
| 03:42.07 | Supaplex | designdream: swhich flavor? |
| 03:42.09 | m4lu6 | heh. uh. just wanted to update firefox, instead i get iceweasel? haha. wtf. |
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| 03:42.24 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 03:42.24 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 03:42.26 | rahul | m4lu6: it's not legal for debian to call it firefox |
| 03:42.35 | designdream | Supaplex: php ? |
| 03:42.41 | m4lu6 | Ah. I had a feeling... |
| 03:42.42 | abrotman | ##php ? |
| 03:42.45 | m4lu6 | funny. |
| 03:42.50 | designdream | haha |
| 03:42.52 | designdream | alright... |
| 03:42.59 | rahul | mozilla got all trademark on debian's ass |
| 03:43.06 | Supaplex | fire != ice ; fox != weasel (slap in their face it is!) |
| 03:43.12 | m4lu6 | heheh. yeah. |
| 03:43.22 | rahul | I'd rather have a slap on my ass. |
| 03:43.25 | m4lu6 | i wonder what they'll do to Mysql |
| 03:43.30 | rahul | sussudio knows about that |
| 03:43.37 | Supaplex | !slap rahul's butt |
| 03:43.42 | rahul | haha |
| 03:43.45 | Guerin | m4lu6: are mysql going to make a stupid trademark rule too? |
| 03:43.50 | Roey | hi |
| 03:43.56 | Guerin | i mean, they already have teir retarded licensing scheme |
| 03:43.57 | zinx | mysql already has stupid documentation rules |
| 03:43.57 | rahul | dpkg: my butt has a face? |
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| 03:44.14 | Guerin | rahul: it's a fass |
| 03:44.16 | rahul | hmm, that made it think |
| 03:44.23 | rahul | heh right. |
| 03:44.32 | rahul | I'm waiting for dpkg's answer :P |
| 03:44.48 | bobby | I have a cron daily set to run at m 45 h 6 and yet it runs at 9:45 ... have I misunderstood the usage of cron? when it |
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| 03:44.51 | rahul | better be good with all this thinking. |
| 03:44.52 | bobby | 's it's daily 0 |
| 03:44.57 | Roey | I'm testing out this streamer plugin for Amarok called "Shouter.py". OK, so I set it to stream to localhost:23000. I put some music on through Amarok. I open Audacity and point it at the localhost:23000, but I get: Couldn't connect to host 192.168.10.102 |
| 03:44.58 | Roey | Server reported: 301 Moved Permanently. what does that mean?!?! |
| 03:45.00 | Supaplex | Guerin: did't you hear? it's PostgreSQL now. ;) |
| 03:45.08 | rahul | bobby: run "date" to see what your box thinks the time is now |
| 03:45.15 | abrotman | Roey: it means it moved .. permanently |
| 03:45.21 | Roey | well yes thanky ou |
| 03:45.35 | bobby | rahul, it thinks it is the current time; my mobile and other computer concur |
| 03:45.38 | designdream | [^(word)] definately isnt right |
| 03:46.02 | Roey | rahul: heya.. heh, wow, could there be a more cultural gujarati last name hehe |
| 03:46.25 | bobby | the only logs I care about are the squid logs as the time change has killed our sarg reporting on them |
| 03:46.43 | rahul | Roey: except that I'm punjabi :P |
| 03:47.10 | bobby | cron.daily is set to run logrotate at 6:45 which then gets to squid some time around 7:36 each moring...then later in the day sarg does a report on the .1 logfile |
| 03:47.16 | rahul | and I'm totally METALL!!! \m/ |
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| 03:47.39 | Roey | rahul: that was my second guess, really :) |
| 03:47.40 | bobby | but for some reason one of them isn't timing right and the log file isn't changing till 9:36 |
| 03:47.40 | rahul | whoa. what is this song? |
| 03:47.42 | bobby | lol :P |
| 03:47.56 | Roey | rahul: allt he friends I have who are Jain are from Gujarat |
| 03:47.57 | Roey | -but- |
| 03:48.08 | rahul | yeah, most are gujarati |
| 03:48.10 | Roey | punjab... hmm... oh, right, that's Sikh land |
| 03:48.16 | rahul | yeah |
| 03:48.19 | Roey | atcha |
| 03:48.22 | Roey | cool |
| 03:48.33 | Roey | rahul: so you are jain? |
| 03:48.37 | rahul | Roey: yep |
| 03:48.44 | Roey | rahul: jain is dharmic right? |
| 03:48.54 | rahul | Roey: yeah |
| 03:48.59 | Roey | ah ok |
| 03:49.05 | Roey | and older than hinduism yes? |
| 03:49.11 | rahul | eh, there's debate |
| 03:49.17 | Roey | that's what I hear. |
| 03:49.27 | rahul | jains are mentioned in the vedas, I think |
| 03:49.44 | Roey | of the three major dharmic religions -- buddhism, jainism and hinduism -- I heard that jainism is the oldest somehow |
| 03:49.48 | Roey | ahhh |
| 03:50.01 | rahul | but the vedas aren't necessarily the beginning of hinduism |
| 03:50.13 | rahul | it's all so long ago it's hard to tell |
| 03:50.56 | Roey | oh, ok |
| 03:51.05 | Roey | hmm I wonder what is before hinduism? |
| 03:51.24 | sussudio | badgerism |
| 03:51.26 | rahul | probably something common between that and nordic religions |
| 03:51.29 | Roey | I thought that the vedas were transcribed well into the establishment of the religion |
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| 03:51.38 | Roey | rahul: you mean indo-european? |
| 03:51.41 | rahul | Roey: yeah |
| 03:51.57 | rahul | sussudio: keep the badgers in your butt, you crazy freak! |
| 03:52.04 | Roey | ah |
| 03:52.32 | rahul | norse and hindu mythologies are strangely similar |
| 03:52.48 | sussudio | !dachs rahul |
| 03:52.48 | dpkg | rahul: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 03:53.01 | Roey | rahul: google for this sometime... Avestan (the ancient predecessor to Farsi) and Sanskrit (the ancient predecessor to Hindi and other Indic languages)--if you look at Old Avestan and Old Sanskrit, they look almost the same |
| 03:53.11 | rahul | Roey: yeah |
| 03:53.21 | findme | hinduism -> jainism -> buddhism |
| 03:53.28 | Roey | I mean I saw the sample texts, they are soooo alike |
| 03:53.30 | Roey | findme: ahh |
| 03:53.50 | findme | hinduism is very old |
| 03:53.59 | Roey | findme: so I thought jainism -> hinduism -> /(prince brings buddhism, sidesteps other dharmic religions)/ -> buddhism |
| 03:54.00 | rahul | findme: there's no evidence that it's older than jainism |
| 03:54.09 | Roey | woohoo I have started a fight. |
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| 03:54.18 | rahul | findme: we just don't know. |
| 03:54.40 | Roey | Piggy: :> |
| 03:54.41 | rahul | you've been eaten by a pig... |
| 03:54.55 | CHodapp | it's a good thing my imaginary magician-in-the-sky who talks to me (though only I can hear it) was around before all those guys. |
| 03:54.59 | findme | Teachings of jainism are from hinduism. Core is from hindusim. |
| 03:55.00 | Roey | there is a match stick on the floor... |
| 03:55.03 | predder | *sigh* it looks like the ntp package requires libreadline4 and mysql5 uses libreadline5 therefore I can't have my sql server running ntp |
| 03:55.04 | rahul | findme: not really |
| 03:55.15 | rahul | findme: the teachings are distinctly different. |
| 03:55.16 | findme | There is also a story of how it came into being |
| 03:55.31 | findme | Peace-ism |
| 03:55.33 | rahul | findme: jainism has more in common with buddhism |
| 03:55.33 | findme | :-) |
| 03:55.34 | Roey | findme: do you have experience with hinduism and jainism? |
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| 03:56.17 | rahul | findme: jains don't believe in absolute gods |
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| 03:56.30 | findme | what is the name of the founder? |
| 03:56.33 | rahul | findme: shiva, vishnu, brahma. none of them exist |
| 03:56.36 | sussudio | fluffy |
| 03:56.36 | Guerin | jain! |
| 03:56.42 | findme | ha ha |
| 03:56.51 | rahul | findme: rishabhdev |
| 03:57.00 | findme | http://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/mahavira.html |
| 03:57.05 | findme | sorry guys if i should just keep quiet |
| 03:57.06 | abrotman | noone cares? |
| 03:57.16 | rahul | findme: no, he was the most recent prophet |
| 03:57.20 | Roey | hmm |
| 03:57.22 | Roey | intersting |
| 03:57.33 | Roey | to be honest I'd love to hear more about hidnuism and jainism from people who knows about them |
| 03:57.39 | abrotman | Roey: not in here |
| 03:57.48 | Roey | abrotman: well in a different channel of course. |
| 03:57.51 | abrotman | try #religionisforthestupid |
| 03:57.57 | Roey | abrotman: #linguistics prolly |
| 03:58.03 | Roey | abrotman: you're welcome there too btw |
| 03:58.11 | abrotman | eh .. no thanks :) |
| 03:58.17 | Roey | we try and convert people to polyglotism :) |
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| 03:58.43 | CHodapp | I live in the US and I came from a conservative school where the attitude of half my religion teachers was "silly foreign people... it's sad that their religions are so delusional compared to Christianity. But we should let them do what they want." |
| 03:59.03 | Roey | how refreshing. |
| 03:59.07 | rahul | CHodapp: heh |
| 03:59.08 | Guerin | CHodapp: terribly tolerant of them |
| 03:59.17 | rahul | CHodapp: yeah, too tolerant to be texas |
| 03:59.21 | Roey | other cultures would simply leave it at "we have to get them to submit by the sword" |
| 03:59.31 | abrotman | tried #religion ? |
| 03:59.33 | Guerin | Roey: not really; only christianity. |
| 03:59.41 | Jamsi | Hi guys. Anyone got a quick script that can expert a list of emails hosted on my linux box? Needs to like parse the passwd file somehow and generate user@domain, user2@domain |
| 03:59.46 | Roey | Guerin: islam I was thinking. |
| 03:59.52 | abrotman | Roey: stop already |
| 04:00.12 | Guerin | Roey: they weren't bothering to spread their religion, only their empire |
| 04:00.13 | Roey | fine. |
| 04:00.17 | Roey | abrotman: fine. |
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| 04:00.19 | Roey | Guerin: #linguistics |
| 04:00.21 | Guerin | Roey: as opposed to the crusaders |
| 04:00.38 | Guerin | Roey: yeah, because this has as much to do with linguistics as with debian |
| 04:00.43 | findme | Jamsi, nawk -F ":" '{print $4 }' /etc/passwd |
| 04:00.48 | Roey | it's fine |
| 04:01.04 | Roey | #linguistic's about cultures and languages alike. |
| 04:01.09 | abrotman | jeez |
| 04:01.20 | Roey | what, I'm trying to move it off here. |
| 04:01.27 | abrotman | then just stop talking about it ... |
| 04:01.37 | Roey | ok |
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| 04:02.17 | CHodapp | #politics |
| 04:02.22 | Guerin | nah |
| 04:02.22 | CHodapp | but watch out for the racist pigs |
| 04:02.32 | Guerin | CHodapp: that leaves nobody |
| 04:02.47 | CHodapp | nah, there are a few non-racist pigs |
| 04:03.07 | Supaplex | CHodapp: why, do they taste different? |
| 04:03.16 | Guerin | #politics is great for getting up to date on the latest conspiracy theories, debating whether the zionists or the muslim fundamentalists control the world |
| 04:03.23 | magyar | does linux kernel support 3.0Gbs sata? |
| 04:03.24 | Roey | #politics is damned toxic. |
| 04:03.37 | abrotman | you could talk about #politics .. in #politics ? |
| 04:03.52 | Supaplex | what a novel idea |
| 04:03.59 | Roey | abrotman: so gtk-gnutella is out of debian. |
| 04:04.04 | abrotman | no |
| 04:04.06 | Roey | over a STUPID issue. |
| 04:04.07 | Roey | yes. |
| 04:04.13 | abrotman | it works perfectly fine |
| 04:04.18 | Roey | it's because gtk-gnutella forces an update every year or so |
| 04:04.23 | Roey | or 90 days or something small like that |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | so what? |
| 04:04.32 | Roey | and that's too often for Stable releases, |
| 04:04.39 | abrotman | it's in etch now |
| 04:04.44 | Roey | well it's not in sid. |
| 04:04.53 | Roey | or it is, but it's not working. |
| 04:04.53 | abrotman | why was it removed ? |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | why isn't it working ? |
| 04:05.35 | Roey | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel.release/browse_thread/thread/9ce0d28f03abede7/ |
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| 04:06.40 | abrotman | Roey: oh well .. guess you'll have to find another way to steal stuff ;) |
| 04:06.51 | Roey | well porn and anime meusic. |
| 04:06.52 | Roey | music. |
| 04:06.55 | Roey | for the time being, anyway. |
| 04:07.05 | abrotman | or use it from backports.org |
| 04:07.16 | magyar | how can i see the speed of my sata channel? |
| 04:07.25 | Supaplex | look real fast |
| 04:07.39 | Supaplex | hdparm might say (install, read) |
| 04:07.53 | magyar | k |
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| 04:09.30 | ZenBSDi | oh my |
| 04:09.32 | ZenBSDi | =D |
| 04:10.10 | ZenBSDi | Debian Version: 4.0 |
| 04:10.11 | ZenBSDi | 2.6.17-2-sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 04:10.28 | rahul | oh your |
| 04:11.52 | ZenBSDi | TI UltraSparc IIi 440 Mhz |
| 04:12.05 | ZenBSDi | I love debian on an ultrasparc 5 |
| 04:12.09 | ZenBSDi | works super |
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| 04:15.12 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 04:15.19 | ZenBSDi | sup |
| 04:15.57 | Neeesat25 | I am trying to mount a usb stick and from the dmesg I cant see on what device is ie /dev/sda /dev/sdb etc |
| 04:16.41 | Neeesat25 | I can see that it recognise that usb-storage have been pluged in but doesn't give me on what device is |
| 04:17.01 | ZenBSDi | yeah, you'll have to guess at it |
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| 04:17.27 | ZenBSDi | just mount /dev/sd[a-d] /mnt/test till you get it |
| 04:17.46 | Neeesat25 | I will try |
| 04:17.54 | PingFloyd | or use some means to mount it automatically |
| 04:18.09 | ZenBSDi | usb-probe app? |
| 04:18.13 | Neeesat25 | how you set that? |
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| 04:18.28 | rcorsaro | I have a horrible buzzing sound coming from my sound card whenever it is idle. Any ideas? Do you think it could be an IRQ problem? BTW I am running Debian testing and have an nForce2 chipset |
| 04:18.55 | ZenBSDi | neeesat, try usbview |
| 04:18.59 | PingFloyd | there's a number of ways, but gnome-volume-manager is one way that I know of |
| 04:19.13 | ZenBSDi | if you do apt-cache search all | grep usbview |
| 04:19.14 | rahul | oh, no / here it is again / I need to know / when will I fall into decay |
| 04:19.26 | rahul | search all? wtf? |
| 04:19.59 | ZenBSDi | or just apt-cache search usbview =p |
| 04:20.21 | PingFloyd | or apt-cache search 'usb*' |
| 04:20.53 | rahul | lsusb works for me |
| 04:21.11 | PingFloyd | or hit 'l' key in aptitude, or search with synaptic ... |
| 04:21.12 | ZenBSDi | that too |
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| 04:21.16 | rcorsaro | I've googled alot and can't find an answer. It is fine when there is sound playing. |
| 04:21.23 | rahul | none of this is going to help Neeesat25 |
| 04:21.47 | rahul | rcorsaro: bad 1/8" plug |
| 04:22.13 | Neeesat25 | usbview doesn't find anything |
| 04:22.14 | rahul | rcorsaro: probably a gap between some of the contacts |
| 04:22.21 | ZenBSDi | yeah rahul, I had a buddy with a problem.. where dmesg would say a usb device was plugged in.. but we couldn't find it.. updated from 2.6.17 kernel to 2.6.18 and problem solved |
| 04:22.34 | rcorsaro | rahul: so if I move it around it should go away, right? |
| 04:22.41 | ZenBSDi | Neeesat25, what kernel? |
| 04:22.43 | rahul | rcorsaro: sometimes |
| 04:22.53 | rahul | rcorsaro: it might not fit at all right |
| 04:22.56 | PingFloyd | your connections would be the first and easiest thing to check |
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| 04:23.32 | rcorsaro | Do you think it could be the jack, I've tried different speakers. Also, the buzzing doesn't start until about half way through bootup |
| 04:23.34 | PingFloyd | a loose contact in the connections can cause all sorts of irritating sounds |
| 04:23.56 | rahul | rcorsaro: that's probably when volume is turned up |
| 04:24.04 | PingFloyd | are any of the levels set real high on either the software side or the device itself? |
| 04:24.07 | Neeesat25 | I get: Can not open file /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 04:24.24 | rahul | Neeesat25: did you enable usbdevfs? |
| 04:24.30 | rcorsaro | no, nothing above 75 in alsa mixer and the device is about 25% right now |
| 04:24.33 | rahul | er whatever that became |
| 04:24.40 | PingFloyd | a certain amount of noise is normal and can vary depending upon the quality of all of the components involved |
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| 04:24.51 | Neeesat25 | I just did modprobe usbdevfs |
| 04:25.00 | PingFloyd | maybe try reseating the sound card |
| 04:25.05 | rcorsaro | hmm. I'll do some more experimenting |
| 04:25.05 | PingFloyd | couldn't hurt |
| 04:25.09 | Neeesat25 | My kernel 2.6.18-2 |
| 04:25.10 | rcorsaro | it's on board |
| 04:25.22 | ZenBSDi | yer good =p |
| 04:25.24 | PingFloyd | is the PSU worth a crap that's in the system |
| 04:25.49 | rcorsaro | it's a new Duron, but I have replaced the processor recently and still the same |
| 04:26.08 | PingFloyd | PSU, not CPU |
| 04:26.13 | PingFloyd | as in Power supply |
| 04:26.16 | rcorsaro | it was a very overclocked athlon xp |
| 04:26.22 | rcorsaro | oh, sorry |
| 04:26.28 | rcorsaro | its a Ante c |
| 04:26.33 | rcorsaro | that's okay, no? |
| 04:26.36 | PingFloyd | those tend to be fairly good |
| 04:27.00 | PingFloyd | sounds like some sort of interference |
| 04:27.03 | Azar | rcorsaro: are you sure the horrible sound is coming from the sound card? |
| 04:27.11 | PingFloyd | I think you'll just have to experiment with connections |
| 04:27.22 | PingFloyd | and see if you can figure out what's causing the interference |
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| 04:27.23 | rcorsaro | yeah, I'm using a KVM and the other system has no probs |
| 04:27.45 | PingFloyd | may also be that the onboard just isn't that good |
| 04:27.46 | hooya | what's a good way to replace the kernel on the installer so that the installer can see my drive array (need qla2xxx module available in 2.6.18 and aacraid) |
| 04:28.01 | Azar | rcorsaro: two months ago my speakers started a horrible sound when idle. I replaced the speakers and problem solved. |
| 04:28.08 | Ash-Fox | !backports |
| 04:28.08 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 04:28.22 | Neeesat25 | here what I see in dmesg: usb-storage: device found at 6 |
| 04:28.27 | PingFloyd | generally speaking, onboard sound tends to be susceptable to noise interference from the electronics of the MB |
| 04:28.45 | PingFloyd | can vary from motherboard to motherboard though |
| 04:28.49 | rcorsaro | Azar: my other system is a mac and hooked up to the same speakers via KVM. |
| 04:29.10 | rcorsaro | the noise doesn't start until the sound device is initialized |
| 04:29.18 | ZenBSDi | Neeesat25, and lsusb says? |
| 04:29.38 | Neeesat25 | Bus 004 Device 006: ID 13fe:1a00 |
| 04:29.39 | Neeesat25 | Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 04:29.39 | Neeesat25 | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:c219 Logitech, Inc. |
| 04:29.39 | Neeesat25 | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 04:29.39 | Neeesat25 | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 04:29.39 | Neeesat25 | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 04:29.46 | rcorsaro | I'm thinking that PingFloyd is right, i'm gonna try putting in another sound card |
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| 04:29.54 | rcorsaro | thanks ping |
| 04:29.56 | PingFloyd | np |
| 04:29.59 | PingFloyd | good luck |
| 04:30.08 | ZenBSDi | ouch |
| 04:30.25 | PingFloyd | what I suspect is.. |
| 04:30.26 | Neeesat25 | That was a mistake |
| 04:30.35 | ZenBSDi | yeah.. careful about flooding |
| 04:30.40 | PingFloyd | that it's like a feedback from power |
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| 04:30.51 | PingFloyd | and the board just wasn't designed very good to filter that out |
| 04:31.03 | Neeesat25 | I can see a list of Bus |
| 04:31.08 | rahul | karsten: psychedelia made using only xylophones |
| 04:31.16 | PingFloyd | in other words, the engineers probably just slapped the extra onboard sound into the design |
| 04:31.27 | Neeesat25 | like: Bus 004 Device 006: ID 13fe:1a00 |
| 04:31.29 | PingFloyd | just for the sake of having an extra 'feature' |
| 04:31.42 | karsten | Who's having the sound issues? |
| 04:32.00 | karsten | rcorsaro: ? |
| 04:32.00 | rahul | I'm having unsound issues |
| 04:32.11 | Azar | karsten: yes |
| 04:32.24 | rcorsaro | yes |
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| 04:32.41 | rcorsaro | it's not a bad mobo |
| 04:32.46 | Neeesat25 | What I want is to have it auto mount when I insert it |
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| 04:32.55 | rcorsaro | it's an asus A7.. blah blah with nForce2 |
| 04:32.59 | rcorsaro | old, but good |
| 04:33.08 | karsten | rcorsaro: Pretty much what the other folks suggest. Crosstalk among devices is pretty common. Frequently you can pick up disk activity, mouse, keyboard, etc. |
| 04:33.10 | PingFloyd | if you got a spare sound card, maybe give it a shot and see what happens |
| 04:33.12 | rahul | dude, I am become the METTTTAAAAALLLLL!!!!!! |
| 04:33.30 | PingFloyd | karsten: that's the term I was looking for |
| 04:33.34 | predder | I have a package under sarge which requires libreadline4 and another package that requires libreadline5 but these two versions are incompatible with each other so I cant install package A without removing package B. Should I report this as a bug...? |
| 04:33.35 | rcorsaro | that's the thing, where did I leave that f'in soundcard!!?? |
| 04:33.45 | PingFloyd | crosstalk!! |
| 04:33.52 | PingFloyd | from power, or other devices |
| 04:34.03 | karsten | rcorsaro: If you've got space to move things around, sometimes repositioning components may help. I really haven't had any experience trying to shield stuff. |
| 04:34.06 | karsten | PingFloyd: Right. |
| 04:34.09 | rahul | (except now it's a tale of two albatrosses) |
| 04:34.11 | hooya | rahul: iron maiden fan? |
| 04:34.18 | Azar | predder: using "aptitude" command usually brings the relatives with the said package |
| 04:34.22 | rahul | hooya: actually I like edguy more |
| 04:34.22 | karsten | PingFloyd: Basically you've got a lot of radio sources inside a 'puter. |
| 04:34.26 | Jamsi | findme ... cheers for that .. but how can I get it to echo @domain.com after each entry?!? |
| 04:34.28 | PingFloyd | it's a real PITA troubleshooting crosstalk issues too |
| 04:34.39 | PingFloyd | alot of experimenting is what it usually seems to come down to |
| 04:34.45 | rahul | hooya: but they don't sing about birds much |
| 04:34.46 | Guerin | bah, I can't find which kernel module I need to build in for my ICH4 |
| 04:34.46 | hooya | rahul: edguy? |
| 04:34.47 | rcorsaro | I have nothing in the box but an agp, but anyway, if another soundcard works, I will be satisfied |
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| 04:34.52 | rahul | hooya: edguy., |
| 04:34.53 | findme | Jamsi, nawk -F ":" '{print $4"@domain.com" }' /etc/passwd |
| 04:34.55 | PingFloyd | not to mention, other terrestrial interference |
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| 04:35.02 | Guerin | i know it's tere, just can't figure out which it is |
| 04:35.12 | rahul | Guerin: same as for any intel controller |
| 04:35.17 | rahul | Guerin: intel piix |
| 04:35.24 | PingFloyd | like with me, I tend to get interference on alot of devices around the house, from truck CBs |
| 04:35.32 | Kitu | éloo |
| 04:35.35 | PingFloyd | alot of trucks come through here |
| 04:35.36 | karsten | rcorsaro: If it makes you feel any better, first box I noticed it on was a SPARC 10. |
| 04:35.40 | PingFloyd | and some nights it gets bad |
| 04:35.41 | Kitu | magicbox:/home/kitu# atitvout tvout | VBE call failed. | Maybe this command is not supported by your graphics adapter? | Did your parameters (if you specified some) really make sense? |
| 04:35.42 | karsten | (or was it a 20?) |
| 04:35.45 | Kitu | :( |
| 04:36.01 | Jamsi | findme: I use $1 instead (which echos the username) but it works perfect. CHAMP! Thanks |
| 04:36.09 | Kitu | with radeon and ati driver i have that |
| 04:36.12 | Guerin | oh, it's piix as well |
| 04:36.14 | rcorsaro | I know it's localized because I have 6 boxes on this desk and this is the only one with issues |
| 04:36.15 | Neeesat25 | Is there something I have enable in the kernel to see the proper /dev/sda... etc? |
| 04:36.17 | Guerin | duh |
| 04:36.22 | Kitu | i'm condamned to use fglrx ? |
| 04:36.27 | rahul | Guerin: exactly |
| 04:36.30 | hooya | rahul: edguy not in rhapsody.. bummer.. |
| 04:36.37 | karsten | Kitu: condblessed. |
| 04:36.39 | rahul | hooya: they're in pandora |
| 04:36.45 | stew | Neeesat25: do you have sd_mod loaded? |
| 04:36.49 | Kitu | condblessed ? |
| 04:37.07 | karsten | Kitu: Need I repeat myself? |
| 04:37.07 | Neeesat25 | FATAL: Module sd_mod not found |
| 04:37.18 | PingFloyd | rcorsaro: unfortunately, in your case, you can't really move a sound card around to see if you get a cleaner signal |
| 04:37.21 | karsten | Neeesat25: Custom or stock kernel? |
| 04:37.27 | Neeesat25 | custom |
| 04:37.32 | stew | Neeesat25: did you include scsi disk support when you compiled your kernel? |
| 04:37.35 | Kitu | no but me i need to understand yourself :) ( i'm frenc ) |
| 04:37.35 | PingFloyd | you're probably getting crosstalk from the MB itself |
| 04:37.44 | Neeesat25 | cant remember let me see |
| 04:37.47 | karsten | PingFloyd: Well, you can, modulo functionality, or with sufficient soldering / unsoldering skillz. |
| 04:37.52 | karsten | Neeesat25: Compiled in? |
| 04:38.06 | ZenBSDi | depends: scsi_mod |
| 04:38.17 | PingFloyd | karsten: well yeah, but how practical is that for most :) |
| 04:38.19 | Neeesat25 | as Module |
| 04:38.19 | karsten | Neeesat25: If you built it the Debian Way you'll have a configure file under /boot. |
| 04:38.22 | ZenBSDi | modinfo on usb-storage only says scsi_mod |
| 04:38.22 | rcorsaro | I'm in the process of stealing one of the others |
| 04:38.24 | karsten | PingFloyd: ;-) |
| 04:38.40 | findme | Jamsi, bless nawk. I am glad it worked out. thanks. |
| 04:38.43 | Kitu | google don't translate "condblessed" karsten :( |
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| 04:39.39 | hooya | anyone know of a good way to replace the kernel on the installer so that the installer can see my drive array (need qla2xxx module available in 2.6.18 and aacraid) |
| 04:39.56 | karsten | Kitu: You'd written "condamned". I modulated it. |
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| 04:40.08 | Afterjew | AFTERJEW TOUCHED MY JUNK LIBERALLY AFTER GETTING OFF THE SHOOT OF THE LATEST WAL-MART COMMERCIAL. YOU SEE AFTERJEW OF WIKIPEDO FAME IS THE STAR IN MOST EVERY WAL-MART COMMERCIAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE HAS DOWN SYNDROME. AFTERJEW TRIED TO USE THE FACT THAT HE HAS DOWN SYNDROME TO TOUCH MY JUNK LIBERALLY. HE SAID TO ME THAT RETARDED KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO COMMIT RED FLAG TOUCHES ON SUCH INTERNET SUPER STARS AS MY SELF. FUCK AFTERJEW |
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| 04:40.18 | Afterjew | AFTERJEW TOUCHED MY JUNK LIBERALLY AFTER GETTING OFF THE SHOOT OF THE LATEST WAL-MART COMMERCIAL. YOU SEE AFTERJEW OF WIKIPEDO FAME IS THE STAR IN MOST EVERY WAL-MART COMMERCIAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE HAS DOWN SYNDROME. AFTERJEW TRIED TO USE THE FACT THAT HE HAS DOWN SYNDROME TO TOUCH MY JUNK LIBERALLY. HE SAID TO ME THAT RETARDED KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO COMMIT RED FLAG TOUCHES ON SUCH INTERNET SUPER STARS AS MY SELF. FUCK AFTERJEW |
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| 04:40.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@modemcable042.175-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] by stew |
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| 04:40.28 | Azar | karsten, if your nick was a debian package, its name would be libsdlkarsten0g |
| 04:40.28 | karsten | !beer stew |
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| 04:40.30 | Kitu | hu |
| 04:40.37 | Kitu | karsten ok ... |
| 04:40.40 | karsten | Azar: ?? |
| 04:40.51 | Azar | karsten: just a joke |
| 04:40.57 | rfrank | mm Guiness |
| 04:41.36 | rahul | whoa |
| 04:41.47 | rahul | Nocturne makes some scary music |
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| 04:42.03 | rahul | but the singer has a sexy voice |
| 04:42.05 | Neeesat25 | I have usbcore, usbhid,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd loaded |
| 04:42.10 | Kitu | karsten i wanted to tell : condemned |
| 04:42.12 | stew | Neeesat25: you need sd_mod |
| 04:42.22 | stew | !tell Ers_Dokutn about root |
| 04:42.30 | Guerin | for more sexy voicedness and fearsome riffery |
| 04:42.32 | Neeesat25 | hmm how I found that in kernel list? |
| 04:42.42 | Azar | hahaha Guerin |
| 04:42.47 | Neeesat25 | Is it in device drivers? |
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| 04:42.54 | karsten | Kitu: Yeah, I know. |
| 04:42.59 | PingFloyd | If in doubt look at the .config |
| 04:43.08 | karsten | Kitu: I should be a little less keen on punning with non-native english speakers. |
| 04:43.15 | karsten | Kitu: Pardonnez moi. |
| 04:43.15 | PingFloyd | it will give you somewhat of indication under what category |
| 04:43.22 | PingFloyd | with it's comments |
| 04:43.25 | Kitu | and i hate english ! |
| 04:43.27 | Kitu | lol |
| 04:43.45 | karsten | Kitu: s'ok, we hate french ;-) |
| 04:43.46 | Neeesat25 | Found it |
| 04:44.31 | Kitu | that not resolve my problem :( |
| 04:44.40 | Neeesat25 | So with sd_mod I will be able to see where it will be ie /dev/sda? |
| 04:45.03 | rahul | Guerin: acutally, I get plnety of sexy girls with awesome riffage on a weekly basis :) |
| 04:45.33 | karsten | Kitu: Sorry, not familiar with that specific radeon variant. |
| 04:45.50 | Azar | rahul: as in the Weekly Debian News? |
| 04:45.51 | rahul | Guerin: this weekend should keep the streak going for 3 weeks |
| 04:45.54 | rahul | heh |
| 04:46.04 | rahul | Azar: um... kinda.... |
| 04:46.19 | Azar | rahul: that is once a month if lucly |
| 04:46.21 | Neeesat25 | stew: with sd_mod I will be able to see where it will be ie /dev/sda? |
| 04:46.23 | Azar | *lucky |
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| 04:46.26 | rahul | Azar: oh heh |
| 04:46.37 | rahul | Azar: I'm too busy with those girls to know :P |
| 04:46.41 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:46.45 | rahul | and sussudio |
| 04:46.57 | Guerin | goes without saying |
| 04:47.04 | rahul | hehe |
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| 04:47.42 | rahul | she's the one who should have her hands full |
| 04:47.46 | Guerin | even if she is at work earning me money all day |
| 04:47.52 | rahul | heh |
| 04:47.52 | Azar | ah I forgot about miss Guerin |
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| 04:48.04 | zenason | AFTERJEW TOUCHED MY JUNK LIBERALLY AFTER GETTING OFF THE SHOOT OF THE LATEST WAL-MART COMMERCIAL. YOU SEE AFTERJEW OF WIKIPEDO FAME IS THE STAR IN MOST EVERY WAL-MART COMMERCIAL DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE HAS DOWN SYNDROME. AFTERJEW TRIED TO USE THE FACT THAT HE HAS DOWN SYNDROME TO TOUCH MY JUNK LIBERALLY. HE SAID TO ME THAT RETARDED KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO COMMIT RED FLAG TOUCHES ON SUCH INTERNET SUPER STARS AS MY SELF. FUCK AFTERJEW AND WIKIP |
| 04:48.14 | karsten | !ops zenason |
| 04:48.15 | Azar | you go baby |
| 04:48.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: zenason |
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| 04:48.35 | predder | !ops zenason |
| 04:48.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: predder complains about: zenason |
| 04:48.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 04:48.44 | *** mode/#debian [+b zenason!*@*] by mentor |
| 04:48.44 | rahul | heh |
| 04:48.56 | rahul | what a tool. |
| 04:49.04 | solid_liq | rahul: you're a tool |
| 04:49.10 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ool-18bca5df.dyn.optonline.net] by mentor |
| 04:49.11 | solid_liq | ;) j/k |
| 04:49.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 04:49.23 | Azar | thanks mentor, but I guess he will be back with another b |
| 04:49.25 | rahul | I just listen to tool :P |
| 04:49.27 | mentor | A K-Tel Series 9000 Nosehair trimmer |
| 04:49.38 | rahul | and follow a band that is like tool with a hot chick singing |
| 04:49.54 | mentor | That's the life of a model, baby |
| 04:49.58 | solid_liq | rahul: oh heheh, I first read what you wrote as whats a tool heheh |
| 04:50.17 | rahul | solid_liq: hmmm.. would that make you the tool? :P |
| 04:50.28 | solid_liq | rahul: perhaps :P |
| 04:51.03 | rahul | welcome / to the soldier side / when there's no one here but me |
| 04:52.00 | predder | I have a dependancy problem whereby I can't install package A without uninstalling package B because they both depend on different, conflicting versions of library C. Apt tells me to report this as a bug.. any suggestions? |
| 04:52.42 | rahul | predder: which release? |
| 04:53.00 | Guerin | predder: that should never happen in debian |
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| 04:53.23 | predder | rahul, sarge |
| 04:53.28 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:53.33 | Guerin | that doesn't happen in sarge |
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| 04:53.45 | Guerin | that only happens when you mix distros or other equally stupid stuff |
| 04:53.45 | rahul | predder: are you ONLY using sarge? |
| 04:53.54 | rahul | hey, I mix distros |
| 04:54.01 | rahul | oh wait. |
| 04:54.15 | Guerin | rahul: but you're stupid |
| 04:54.18 | predder | rahul yes it's pure sarge |
| 04:54.21 | rahul | Guerin: :P |
| 04:54.23 | Guerin | it's ok, i'm stupid too |
| 04:54.36 | Guerin | stupid enough to be able to fix mah shit when it breaks |
| 04:54.51 | rahul | aptitude is smart for me |
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| 04:55.01 | linux_jones | how do i get the kernel build files? |
| 04:55.14 | Guerin | linux_jones: your question makes no sense |
| 04:55.18 | rahul | Azar: I think current works last 50 with an extension for 50 or something |
| 04:55.19 | predder | <Guerin> predder: that should never happen in debian <-- does that mean i should report it as a bug? |
| 04:55.21 | peterS | Azar: who cares? we want to play and hear Mozart, who will want to play or hear rap 250 years from now? |
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| 04:55.25 | Guerin | wtf is a build fil? |
| 04:55.29 | stew | linux_jones: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:55.38 | linux_jones | get ndiswrapper to work |
| 04:55.44 | Guerin | predder: no, it means you should make sure you're actually only using sarge. Which packages? I can test. |
| 04:55.45 | stew | linux_jones: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 04:55.46 | atrus | predder: what packages, and what versions? |
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| 04:55.55 | Azar | peterS, who knows, in fact besides few who want to get Mozart free now? |
| 04:55.59 | Guerin | peterS: the descendents of rappers? |
| 04:56.00 | stew | linux_jones: run "m-a prepare" |
| 04:56.05 | toraton | Anyone know a good howto on writing good/clean patches? I'd like to patch java-package to use Java 1.6 |
| 04:56.06 | stew | linux_jones: /msg dpkg ndiswapper |
| 04:56.25 | predder | system has mysql-server5.0 installed which requires libreadline5 which requires readline-common |
| 04:56.26 | peterS | ndiswapper? ha |
| 04:56.28 | Guerin | toraton: you don't write a patch, you modify a file and then use `diff' to make a patch |
| 04:56.40 | toraton | Guerin, I'm aware of that |
| 04:56.44 | Guerin | predder: that's not in fucking sarge, piss off. |
| 04:56.47 | predder | if i try install ntp it trys to pull down libreadline4 which conflicts with readline common |
| 04:56.56 | Guerin | toraton: so ask the question you want answered |
| 04:57.21 | toraton | Guerin, How do I make a patch create new files? |
| 04:57.22 | dondelelcaro | predder: you should only have packaes built against proper versions of libreadline. |
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| 04:57.28 | dondelelcaro | toraton: with diff -N |
| 04:57.34 | toraton | Thanks. |
| 04:57.39 | dondelelcaro | predder: there are extant backports of mysql to sarge; you want to use them. |
| 04:57.54 | dondelelcaro | (deleting files with patches is a little wierd, though. |
| 04:57.59 | toraton | I was asking if it was documented so I wouldn't have to ask questions on a case by case basis, but I'm assuming only the manpages are so complete. |
| 04:58.19 | dondelelcaro | toraton: the manpages are pretty complete in this regards |
| 04:58.29 | toraton | Right. |
| 04:58.36 | toraton | Thanks again. |
| 04:58.40 | linux_jones | m-a prepare command not found and uname -r is 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 04:58.58 | Guerin | linux_jones: install module-assistant |
| 04:58.59 | dondelelcaro | linux_jones: you don't have module-assistant installed. |
| 04:59.24 | stew | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 04:59.25 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 05:00.14 | linux_jones | so i install module-assistant and run that apt-get command and it will install everything? |
| 05:00.56 | PumpkinPie | I need a pastebin replacement because it sucks |
| 05:01.09 | dondelelcaro | PumpkinPie: like channels.debian.net/paste? |
| 05:01.16 | PumpkinPie | yes |
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| 05:01.36 | Azar | is this a gossip, a joke, or true? http://www.kroah.com/log/2006/12/13/#2006_12_13 |
| 05:01.48 | Supaplex | it's a url |
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| 05:02.16 | Azar | I am serious.. it sounds like a joke to me |
| 05:02.19 | linux_jones | is that how it works? |
| 05:02.59 | Azar | non-GPL linux kernel modules banned after Jan 2008? |
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| 05:03.13 | rahul | Azar: why not? |
| 05:03.19 | rahul | they don't fucking work anyway |
| 05:04.04 | Azar | oookk, what about the drivers? I know they are bad but still... what about the video drivers? |
| 05:04.20 | rahul | Azar: yes, they don't work |
| 05:04.28 | Guerin | Azar: fuck 'em, and feed 'em, we won't join 'em if we can beat 'em |
| 05:04.30 | stew | linux_jones: yes |
| 05:04.36 | Azar | unfortunately we run hardware made by companies that are non-free |
| 05:04.38 | Guerin | in the immortal words of cypress hill |
| 05:04.45 | Guerin | Azar: hardware ca't be free |
| 05:05.03 | Guerin | Azar: duplication is non-trivial and non-zero-cost |
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| 05:05.11 | Azar | Guerin, you know I can live with command line no biggie |
| 05:05.35 | Guerin | Azar: who sad anything about command line, i still have X on my free system |
| 05:05.44 | rahul | fighting a war that rages inside / the world can't see the hate that burns in there / how can we face what lies beneath / if we just fear and don't fight back? |
| 05:05.45 | Guerin | man, this laptop keyboard is retarding me |
| 05:06.01 | Supaplex | it just brings it out huh? |
| 05:06.06 | Azar | Guerin: we all have been using so far proprietary hardware drivers.. |
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| 05:06.21 | rahul | Azar: none of them have worked for me |
| 05:06.26 | rahul | might as well not have them |
| 05:06.32 | Guerin | Azar: in the words of mel brooks: what you mean, `we' whit men? |
| 05:06.35 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:06.38 | Guerin | white man |
| 05:06.56 | Azar | rahul: ok maybe I am thick.. I use the nvidia driver.. |
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| 05:07.04 | Guerin | Azar: that makes you thick, f'real. |
| 05:07.31 | Azar | ok so I could remove the nvidia drivers, X still will work? |
| 05:07.37 | Guerin | fuck yeah |
| 05:07.41 | Supaplex | !nv |
| 05:07.42 | dpkg | somebody said nv was the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
| 05:07.46 | Guerin | works better, even - just no glx |
| 05:08.03 | Azar | well hell I am using the "nv" |
| 05:08.13 | Guerin | then you're all peachy |
| 05:08.13 | Supaplex | !win Azar |
| 05:08.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, Azar! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 05:08.20 | Guerin | have a chocolate penguin |
| 05:08.41 | Guerin | my cat has figured out that under the laptop is a warm place |
| 05:09.35 | Azar | Guerin: is a boy or a girl? |
| 05:09.45 | Supaplex | "it" |
| 05:09.46 | Guerin | Azar: a very sharp boy |
| 05:09.54 | Guerin | his name is Danger |
| 05:10.00 | Azar | good, can we become in-laws, I have a girl |
| 05:10.05 | Guerin | aww |
| 05:10.08 | Azar | Lexi |
| 05:10.12 | Guerin | an arranged marriage |
| 05:10.14 | Azar | as in sexy |
| 05:10.42 | Azar | well good night honorables.. it was a pleasure |
| 05:10.43 | Guerin | one of my dearest friends is Alexis, which gets variously shoretened to Alex, Lex, Lexi, and Lekki |
| 05:11.01 | rahul | lekki? |
| 05:11.09 | Guerin | never figured out how a two-syllable name can get shortened into so many other two-syllable names |
| 05:11.10 | Supaplex | :-? |
| 05:11.23 | rahul | alexis is 3 syllables |
| 05:11.31 | Guerin | she's from middlesbrough and grew up in glasgow, what can I say |
| 05:11.33 | rahul | and lex is 1 |
| 05:11.43 | Guerin | rahul: you and your logic |
| 05:11.47 | rahul | heh |
| 05:11.48 | Supaplex | syllables are hard work |
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| 05:11.59 | rahul | shitting is hard work. |
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| 05:12.46 | Supaplex | must be eaiser then eatting fiber :P |
| 05:12.48 | rahul | you guys are slow |
| 05:13.13 | rahul | a minute late, an inch short |
| 05:13.26 | Supaplex | net lag ;) |
| 05:13.31 | rahul | right. |
| 05:13.32 | Guerin | rahul: better than a minute early and an inch short ;) |
| 05:13.39 | rahul | heh. doh. |
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| 05:14.14 | rcorsaro | much better, thanks guys |
| 05:14.51 | PingFloyd | rcorsaro: what is? |
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| 05:15.26 | nvz | so I aquired an old power macintosh the other day but I am not sure how to even turn it on |
| 05:15.36 | rahul | um |
| 05:15.41 | rcorsaro | the noise is gone |
| 05:15.42 | rahul | press the key with the triangle on it |
| 05:15.51 | nvz | yeah thats why cause I have no keyboard |
| 05:15.52 | rcorsaro | remember the hum |
| 05:15.58 | nvz | I figured thats how it worked |
| 05:16.09 | rahul | nvz: what do you expect to do with it then? |
| 05:16.16 | rcorsaro | I'm using a PCI sound card now |
| 05:16.16 | nvz | *shrug* |
| 05:16.19 | rahul | nvz: which model? |
| 05:16.22 | nvz | I was hoping to know if it worked |
| 05:16.45 | nvz | 5200/75 LC its probably like a 75mhz with 64mb ram |
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| 05:16.48 | rahul | oh god |
| 05:17.16 | rahul | nvz: those slashed models were all shit afaik |
| 05:17.28 | rahul | at least it's divisible by 100 |
| 05:17.28 | nvz | they have the monitor built in |
| 05:17.47 | rahul | yeah |
| 05:17.53 | rahul | they were junk. |
| 05:17.55 | nvz | little computer on a board deal |
| 05:18.13 | rahul | no, they had an expansion slot I think |
| 05:18.16 | nvz | I was hoping it would at least work and run debian |
| 05:18.19 | rahul | heh |
| 05:18.29 | nvz | I would get a network card and keyboard/mouse for it |
| 05:18.36 | rahul | nvz: not easy to make them run debian |
| 05:19.03 | nvz | the 601 is not supported? |
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| 05:19.17 | rahul | nvz: they have funky booting requirements |
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| 05:19.58 | Guerin | nvz doesn't like things to be easy |
| 05:20.05 | nvz | heh |
| 05:20.07 | com4 | I've installed etch on a dual opteron system. I was wondering which kernel should i install? |
| 05:20.10 | nvz | nope I like chaos in my life |
| 05:20.11 | rahul | don't go to a strip club, then |
| 05:20.11 | jugglinx | !nvidia-one-liner |
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| 05:20.35 | jugglinx | !nvidia-installer |
| 05:21.15 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is probably a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 05:21.15 | Guerin | com4: amd64-SMP |
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| 05:21.16 | com4 | Guerin: will that run 32bit apps though? |
| 05:21.16 | com4 | Guerin: i assumed the amd64 ment it was a 64bit kernel |
| 05:21.16 | nvz | I dunno I never tried using a ppc before |
| 05:21.16 | jugglinx | !nvidia one-liner |
| 05:21.16 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 05:21.19 | Guerin | com4: the kernel, sure. If the system is 64-bit you'll need a chroot |
| 05:21.31 | Guerin | com4: debian will only install the right kernel for your arch |
| 05:21.36 | com4 | Guerin: alright thanks |
| 05:22.32 | com4 | Guerin: are they not in the main apt repositories? |
| 05:22.54 | wookienz | hi, im instaling a program that requires a jpeg library file. How can i tell if i have it installed alreayd? |
| 05:23.09 | nvz | wookienz: dpkg -l |
| 05:23.18 | wookienz | nvz, thanks |
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| 05:24.35 | wookienz | how can i tell if apache has been installed with "mod_rewrite" option?? |
| 05:26.20 | Supaplex | wookienz: check the config? |
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| 05:27.14 | maher | what permissions should ~/.kde have? |
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| 05:27.50 | Big_BadAss_Biker | Access: (0700/drwx------) |
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| 05:29.01 | maher | enouf: I seem to have the group sticky bit set - is that normal? |
| 05:29.29 | enouf | dunno .. I never altered mine |
| 05:29.34 | rahul | maher: rwx--S---? |
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| 05:30.00 | maher | rahul: yes |
| 05:30.11 | rahul | uh, that doesn't make any sense |
| 05:30.33 | maher | rahul: indeed - i was wondering why that was the case |
| 05:30.48 | Guerin | fucking menuconfig |
| 05:30.57 | rahul | menu fuckingconfig |
| 05:31.15 | Guerin | this particular module which is failing to build which I don't need is not to be found |
| 05:31.32 | karsten | ... under wine. |
| 05:31.42 | rahul | karsten: wtf... |
| 05:31.43 | nvz | o.O |
| 05:31.46 | Guerin | it seems to be a usb atm device, which is a bastardisation right from the word go, but i've disabled them all and it's still m |
| 05:31.49 | pipeline | I didn't know it worked. |
| 05:31.52 | Guerin | karsten: you lose |
| 05:32.07 | karsten | rahul: Hypothetically, installs aren't permitted under a 'Doze machine I have access to. |
| 05:32.15 | karsten | rahul: ... which also lacks cygwin |
| 05:32.18 | maher | Guerin: grep / edit .config by hand |
| 05:32.29 | enouf | is watching some Victor Borge ;-) |
| 05:32.33 | karsten | rahul: So, a possible workaround would be to get a cygwin install tree... |
| 05:32.38 | rahul | heh |
| 05:32.45 | rahul | karsten: you sick bastard |
| 05:32.58 | rahul | remember to get the DLLs and shit |
| 05:33.00 | karsten | rahul: I *love* it when you call me that. |
| 05:33.12 | rahul | !spank karsten |
| 05:33.12 | Guerin | maher: yeah ... turns out to be a dsl modem |
| 05:33.16 | Guerin | which I don't need either |
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| 05:33.58 | com4 | Guerin: where do i get the amd64 kernel for 32bit debian? it seems that it's in the unofficial 64bit debian repositories. |
| 05:34.22 | tuv | any solution for the 'aptitude update' segfault? it segfaults even with an empty sources.list |
| 05:34.36 | Guerin | com4: amd64 is the arcitecture |
| 05:34.42 | Guerin | architecture |
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| 05:34.47 | karsten | tuv: apt-get update? |
| 05:34.51 | tuv | cydork, aptitude update segfaults with an empty sources.list, so i guess it can't be the mirror |
| 05:34.56 | Guerin | com4: if you're not running the amd64 arch, you'll get 686 probably |
| 05:34.58 | tuv | karsten, same |
| 05:35.01 | enouf | tuv DynamicMmap errors? |
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| 05:35.04 | Guerin | i think opterons are 686 compatible |
| 05:35.09 | karsten | tuv: Try clearing your archives and lists. |
| 05:35.10 | com4 | Guerin: k, i'll try that |
| 05:35.13 | com4 | thank |
| 05:35.13 | com4 | s |
| 05:35.15 | karsten | tuv: Start with lists. |
| 05:35.34 | tuv | enouf, all it prints with an empty sources is: Segmentation faultsts... 0% |
| 05:35.48 | karsten | tuv: Try also 'strace' to see where it's segfaulting. |
| 05:35.51 | tuv | karsten, with rm? |
| 05:36.03 | karsten | tuv: Sure. |
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| 05:36.16 | karsten | tuv: Ideally, you'll just re-fetch them when you get this sorted. |
| 05:36.24 | karsten | tuv: You could also 'mv' them elsewhere. |
| 05:36.30 | Vyrus001 | ok so problem... i had apache 1 and php4 in... i upgrade them to apache2 and php5... apache2 works... php dosent |
| 05:36.40 | enouf | tuv /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 05:37.10 | tuv | karsten, strace last few lines: fstat64(6, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=8834072, ...}) = 0 |
| 05:37.11 | tuv | mmap2(NULL, 8834072, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, 6, 0) = 0xb7267000 |
| 05:37.11 | tuv | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 05:37.21 | tuv | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
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| 05:37.28 | karsten | tuv: Could be bad memory. |
| 05:37.40 | enouf | Shared mem .. bad |
| 05:37.59 | karsten | tuv: Mostly talking out of /dev/ass |
| 05:38.20 | enouf | tuv : just for the heck .. try the dynamicmmap fix .. /msg dpkg mmap |
| 05:39.09 | karsten | enouf: Is that a segfault or just "dynamic mmap out of space" error? |
| 05:39.15 | tuv | karsten, lists: rm -fr /var/lib/apt/lists ? |
| 05:39.24 | tuv | karsten, or a subdir.? |
| 05:39.33 | karsten | tuv: Contents. Not the directory itself. |
| 05:39.37 | enouf | is mostly wroking from /dev/null :-) |
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| 05:39.43 | karsten | tuv: Stuff *will* bitch if you do that. |
| 05:39.59 | dbw | hi, simple question: how do i flush the DNS cache? |
| 05:40.02 | karsten | enouf: Debian: It Just Wroks[tm] |
| 05:40.03 | com4 | Guerin: the 686 kernel doesn't work... another idea? |
| 05:40.13 | dbw | i'm not running bind or nscd or named.... |
| 05:40.15 | karsten | dbw: Log off Windows and boot into Linux. |
| 05:40.23 | Guerin | com4: offer it better health coverage |
| 05:40.31 | karsten | dbw: You don't have one. Some apps cache lookups. Restart your browser. |
| 05:40.40 | enouf | tuv: I've moved that listing there to an lists.old file .. when I had some issues once .. can't recall the error though |
| 05:40.44 | com4 | Guerin: :) |
| 05:40.54 | dbw | karsten: i'm thinking of programs like host and ping... |
| 05:41.05 | enouf | karsten: no porb :-P |
| 05:41.09 | Guerin | heh, my wife got in trouble today for authorising a EUR$1000 payment from iran to NZ via deutschebank |
| 05:41.09 | dbw | you can't really 'restart' them |
| 05:41.12 | karsten | dbw: They don't cache lookups. The server they're querying does. |
| 05:41.19 | Guerin | because of `international terrorism' |
| 05:41.29 | dbw | ah, so i'm boned until the server updates. |
| 05:41.33 | karsten | dbw: If you control that server... |
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| 05:41.35 | dbw | okay, thanks karsten o.O |
| 05:41.40 | com4 | Guerin: so debian is just telling users "if you have an amd64 kernel, you should install this unofficial release.... don't worry about the 10 year stability track record with our 32-bit stuff... we'll probably get the 64bit stuff right"? |
| 05:41.41 | karsten | dbw: Right. TTL governs that IIRC. |
| 05:41.43 | wookienz | noob question, i just downloaded source code, it connatins makefile.gcc as well as others, how do i run it, install it or what ever? |
| 05:41.45 | dbw | karsten: yes, but my ISP does |
| 05:41.47 | tuv | karsten, moved /var/lib/apt/lists/* (and created an empty partial as it was needed) away, still segfaults |
| 05:42.04 | Guerin | com4: amd64 isn't supported officially in debian, not until etch. |
| 05:42.11 | dbw | karsten: thanks mate :) |
| 05:42.24 | Guerin | com4: but since I still don't know what branch exactly you're running, well .. |
| 05:42.26 | karsten | tuv: Sounds like it's not the lists then. |
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| 05:43.01 | com4 | Guerin: i have the 32 bit etch installed now simply because i didn't want to fight a 3ware raid controller with sarge. |
| 05:44.11 | com4 | Guerin: the amd64 faq page mentions that if you're running a server and you wanted the 10-year time tested stability of 32bit with some of the perks of 64bit then do this, but i don't care about any of the 64bit perks. Since this is a server i would like to stick with that self proclaimed time tested stability track record of 32 bit |
| 05:44.46 | Guerin | com4: yeah, 64-bit is overkill for most people |
| 05:44.56 | com4 | Guerin: "Running 32bit userland with a 64bit kernel is recommended only for servers needing the absolute stability of 10 years of 32bit debian..." implying that 64bit debian isn't as stable as 32bit debian |
| 05:45.00 | Guerin | com4: but the 686 kernel should work; if not the 386 will. |
| 05:45.02 | Supaplex | 640k should be enough for anyone |
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| 05:45.24 | Guerin | com4: you should probably be asking #debian-amd64 |
| 05:45.30 | com4 | Guerin: the 386 kernel does work but i'd like to use the 2nd cpu :) |
| 05:45.38 | com4 | Guerin: k, i'll head over there. thanks |
| 05:45.52 | Guerin | are there no 386-SMP kernels? |
| 05:46.03 | Guerin | i suppose it's a stupid question, since there were no 386-smps |
| 05:46.07 | enouf | karsten: I recall there were a group of errors that occur right when hitting that mmap one.. the mmap one being close to the last one in that group .. can't recall the othwers that come prior though |
| 05:46.16 | karsten | enouf: Anything in kernel log? |
| 05:46.34 | karsten | Guerin: .. and they call *me* a sick puppy. |
| 05:46.40 | tuv | karsten, enouf, the mmap fix didn't work either. anymore suggestions? |
| 05:46.52 | karsten | tuv: memtest86+ |
| 05:46.56 | enouf | karsten: wasn;'t me that had that issue .. was helping anpther person some weekjs ago |
| 05:46.58 | karsten | tuv: That's a boot option. |
| 05:47.06 | karsten | enouf: OK. |
| 05:47.23 | tuv | karsten, does it become available after installing something? |
| 05:47.34 | enouf | tuv: yes .. Grub can boot directly into mamtest86+ if needed |
| 05:47.48 | enouf | er memtest86 |
| 05:47.50 | karsten | tuv: Or run it off of Knoppix, etc. |
| 05:47.52 | enouf | + |
| 05:47.54 | tuv | enouf, well i don't think i can install anything right now :) |
| 05:48.04 | enouf | tuv: LiveCD boot too |
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| 05:50.17 | tuv | karsten, enouf: ok.. sounds scary, but will try it to (hopefully) rule it out |
| 05:50.22 | enouf | tuv: run tests 9 and 10 |
| 05:51.41 | enouf | tuv: follow up http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 05:52.44 | BhaalWK | Hey guys, Im using quanta-plus with kde, and for some reason the menubar and other texts have gone really small, no amount of fiddling with the kde fonts changes it... Anyone else know how to fix this? |
| 05:53.04 | BhaalWK | The only font space I can change is the actual editor window |
| 05:53.10 | karsten | tuv: Downside: memtest86+ is best run for a long time. |
| 05:53.15 | karsten | tuv: Typically overnight. |
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| 05:53.42 | h00t | hi ... can someone pls tell me how can i install w32 & other non free codecs |
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| 05:53.51 | toraton | I have a few questions regarding patches: What is the best way to submit a patch to the maintainers of a project? |
| 05:53.52 | karsten | tuv: There's a persistant rumor that it was created to give IRC BOFHs a mechanism to get rid of pesky questioners for 8 hours. |
| 05:53.59 | karsten | !tell h00t about marillat |
| 05:54.03 | peterS | toraton: depends on the project |
| 05:54.20 | toraton | peterS, I just wrote a patch that allows java-package to install jdk/jre 1.6 |
| 05:54.27 | toraton | How do I submit that? :) |
| 05:54.45 | tuv | karsten, :).. looks like a rumor with some truth into it |
| 05:54.55 | maher | toraton: email the maintainer - but I'm not sure there's a need for that now that java is packaged directly |
| 05:54.57 | peterS | toraton: I would email debian-java@lists.debian.org |
| 05:55.16 | h00t | karsten, thanx |
| 05:55.30 | Supaplex | !pal SCOX |
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| 05:55.35 | karsten | tuv: ;-) |
| 05:55.39 | rahul | I live for yooour pain / I'm dieing |
| 05:55.41 | karsten | h00t: NP |
| 05:55.54 | toraton | Java is packaged directly? Since when? Hrm |
| 05:55.57 | tuv | enouf, that is a long page. which part should i consider? |
| 05:56.03 | toraton | Interesting. |
| 05:56.11 | peterS | toraton: in general you can reach the maintainers of any debian package as {packagename}@packages.debian.org if you don't know a better place |
| 05:56.13 | PingFloyd | it's under GPL nowadays |
| 05:56.15 | enouf | tuv: I'm reading it myself :-) |
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| 05:56.17 | toraton | maher, peterS, thanks for your help |
| 05:56.26 | toraton | Oh yeah, I forgot it just got GPL'd |
| 05:56.26 | Guerin | PingFloyd: show me the code |
| 05:56.29 | Supaplex | toraton: hell froze over again |
| 05:56.29 | peterS | toraton: yes, 'sun-java5-jdk' and friends are in non-free now, for etch |
| 05:56.38 | rahul | helloween has a couple songs that actually aren't ridiculous |
| 05:56.41 | tuv | enouf, good for me :) i hope |
| 05:56.53 | rahul | ridiculous being Mr. Torture at the least ridiculous |
| 05:56.59 | peterS | toraton: Sun java is not GPL yet, only certain bits of it, but when they _do_ change the license, the non-free package will probably move to main |
| 05:57.08 | rahul | Mr. Torture sells pain! |
| 05:57.25 | toraton | peterS, Well, talk about a waste of time. Maybe I should submit it anyway, for the time being. |
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| 05:57.56 | rahul | Mr. Torture gives pain / with his whips and his chains / he knows just what you crave / Mr. Torture |
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| 05:58.09 | Guerin | do we have to call him mr? |
| 05:58.13 | rahul | yes |
| 05:58.21 | maher | toraton: there's no harm emailling the maintainer - at worst he will just ignore it |
| 05:58.24 | Guerin | i'd rather call him madam |
| 05:58.36 | rahul | Mr. Torture sells pain / to the housewives in Spain / he knows just what they crave / Mr. Torture |
| 05:58.37 | Guerin | and if I'm paying, i reckon i should get to choose |
| 05:58.37 | toraton | maher and peterS, thanks again :) |
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| 05:58.40 | rahul | heh |
| 05:59.09 | rahul | If you're feeling alone / then just pick up the phone / dial 1 8 double 0 / Mr. Torture |
| 05:59.27 | Guerin | i thought you said it was't ridiculous? |
| 05:59.38 | rahul | Guerin: no, that's the least of the ridiculous ones |
| 05:59.57 | rahul | heavy metal hamsters is one of the more ridiculous ones |
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| 06:01.10 | hooya | what is udeb? |
| 06:01.22 | zinx | hooya: minimal deb for embedded systems/etc |
| 06:01.22 | rahul | microdebs. used for the installer. |
| 06:01.23 | karsten | hooya: Micro-deb. |
| 06:01.40 | karsten | !udeb |
| 06:01.40 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 06:01.51 | zinx | well ignore me then |
| 06:01.55 | rahul | heh |
| 06:02.19 | rahul | Guerin: Mr. Torture is a good song, tho |
| 06:02.21 | karsten | zinx: They're also used on some embedded stuff. HP's iPaq used 'em. |
| 06:02.35 | hooya | i'm trying to create a custom installer so that i can install the a raid array that needs qla2xxx. ideas? |
| 06:02.59 | rahul | you just need a custom kernel |
| 06:03.03 | hooya | s/the a/the system on a/ |
| 06:03.06 | Guerin | hooya: /msg dpkgcustom d-i |
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| 06:03.36 | hooya | Guerin: eh? |
| 06:03.41 | Guerin | but yeah, if you can install on a normal ide/sata/scsi or even on a pendrive or something, creating a d-i is a pain |
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| 06:04.21 | krenin | n rules. |
| 06:04.24 | krenin | oops |
| 06:04.28 | krenin | Hey dudes; Debian rules. |
| 06:04.35 | Guerin | debian/rules |
| 06:04.38 | Guerin | note case |
| 06:04.40 | Guerin | ad / |
| 06:04.56 | CHodapp | WHAT? |
| 06:04.57 | krenin | The other distros drool because Debian rules. |
| 06:04.59 | krenin | :) |
| 06:05.02 | krenin | Anyway... |
| 06:05.08 | CHodapp | we will not do your homework for you. |
| 06:05.15 | Guerin | heh |
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| 06:05.28 | Guerin | can't promise I'll get it right |
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| 06:05.50 | Guerin | especially since I've never studied maths, computer science or programing |
| 06:05.52 | hooya | Guerin: the first time i install on a similar box (that one needed aacraid) what i did was hook up an ide drive to where the cd was. then installed to that ide drive. then, using that ide drive (with an up to date kernel), did a cross-install onto the aacraid drives.. i still have the hdd i did the cross install from. i spent all day today trying to figure out how to cut my own d-i with custom kernel. no dice. |
| 06:06.24 | Guerin | hooya: yeah, can't you just do the same install scheme? |
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| 06:07.06 | streuner_ | You didn't miss much, they make usually 90 percent maths... |
| 06:07.35 | hooya | Guerin: yeah i can. but it would be more debianistic to be able to 'make -f debian/rules my_custom_installer_cd' and have the iso. but i guess that's not to be. |
| 06:07.47 | Guerin | hooya: wouldn't it just. |
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| 06:10.58 | krenin | I am having fun with Debian here; got it installed on my upstairs P.C. |
| 06:11.14 | hooya | Guerin: i don't know if i'm in over my head. but i might work on it. all the servers we've bought recently can't be installed straight from the d-i. (i've kept a 'hacked via a loop mount' iso that needs modprobage from the console midway thru install). it's starting to look bad that i'm installing debian (since it doesn't even install! - in the eyes of the PHB). |
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| 06:13.51 | hooya | Guerin: do you know where i can get more info on d-i? |
| 06:14.03 | Supaplex | #debian-boot |
| 06:14.15 | hooya | thanks |
| 06:14.38 | Grub_Now | is there any debian package for pysqlite? |
| 06:14.58 | Grub_Now | ok i see it |
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| 06:18.16 | goslang | which wlan card in the market has the most sensitive receiver? |
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| 06:18.48 | dondelelcaro | goslang: that's a function of the antenna, not really the card. |
| 06:18.54 | Supaplex | I like the atheros |
| 06:19.24 | goslang | there is one by the name of Senyol or Senvol in the market? |
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| 06:19.48 | Supaplex | check for compatibility to |
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| 06:20.11 | goslang | ? |
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| 06:24.02 | krenin | I've got my AM/FM/Shortwave hooked up to my P.C.'s soundcard... |
| 06:24.12 | krenin | I can record from radio :). |
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| 06:25.59 | PingFloyd | wow! |
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| 06:28.03 | amphi | krenin: thief ;) |
| 06:28.41 | hooya | amphi: the correct term is "pirate". arrrrrrrr |
| 06:29.02 | hooya | now bust out the eye-patch and the parrot and you're all set |
| 06:30.05 | hooya | i guess you'd need a sword and a ship and a hook for a hand as well.. |
| 06:30.06 | amphi | o/~ yo ho ho and a bottle of rum o/~ |
| 06:30.26 | CHodapp | amphi is crunk |
| 06:30.51 | hooya | crunk as a skunk? |
| 06:31.14 | peterS | hey now, this channel is _not_ about piracy |
| 06:32.07 | Supaplex | so many tempting replies to that :) |
| 06:33.06 | rahul | http://www.arrrrrr.com/ |
| 06:33.41 | hooya | but would satire on the subversion of the word piracy be ok? |
| 06:33.46 | hooya | www.arrrrr.com.ar |
| 06:34.19 | peterS | hooya: rahul wins. his url actually exists. |
| 06:34.25 | rahul | :) |
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| 06:34.28 | krazykit | arrrrrr.com is real!? |
| 06:34.30 | krazykit | crazy. |
| 06:35.04 | Supaplex | you mean there are unclaimed domain names out there? nooohway man |
| 06:35.10 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:35.51 | peterS | apparently there are a few still, down in arrrrgentina |
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| 06:38.49 | rahul | interestingly enough, I'm running ARS regression tests |
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| 06:39.08 | hooya | ARS regression tests? |
| 06:39.15 | rahul | yep |
| 06:39.18 | rahul | ARRRRRRRRS |
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| 06:39.25 | hooya | heh |
| 06:39.43 | rahul | seriously, tho. I am :) |
| 06:39.46 | hooya | i'm trying them out one at a time for .com.ar to finally beat you |
| 06:39.59 | g333k | how to decompress ace files? |
| 06:39.59 | rahul | heh |
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| 06:40.02 | hooya | arr.com.ar |
| 06:40.03 | hooya | there |
| 06:40.09 | krenin | The amount of beers you drink is inversely proportional to your ability to think. |
| 06:40.24 | rahul | krenin: good thing I drink whiskey |
| 06:40.26 | hooya | peterS: that counts right? |
| 06:40.35 | rahul | hooya: you loser. |
| 06:40.39 | hooya | heh |
| 06:40.42 | krenin | Whiskey! WOOOO! |
| 06:41.02 | rahul | hooya: now you followed me, tripped, and fell flat on your face |
| 06:41.16 | peterS | hooya: I can't believe you have nothing better to do |
| 06:41.21 | rahul | heh |
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| 06:42.16 | hooya | yeah. strangely enough, looking for arrs are turning up more hits than looking for info on d-i |
| 06:42.26 | rahul | heh |
| 06:42.37 | rahul | it used to be the bootfloppies package |
| 06:42.55 | krenin | Boot those floppies across th' room! |
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| 06:43.11 | krenin | Just kiddin'. |
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| 06:43.28 | krenin | (we don't use boot floppies much anymore.) |
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| 06:44.37 | Supaplex | install the good old stuph and dist-upgrade |
| 06:44.53 | hooya | krenin: would be nice if i could find documentation on how to use a custom kernel on the shiny (pun intended) cd installers.. - apart for the wiki article which is sparse |
| 06:45.41 | krenin | Ooh. |
| 06:46.11 | krenin | I tried to burn a CD by throwing it on the campfire; it wouldn't boot; in fact, it burned up entirely! Mwahahaha! |
| 06:47.11 | rahul | LLLLLLLLLLLLLllllooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooollllllllllLLLLLLLLLLLLllllllll!!!!!!!@@@!@#$%##!@!~~~!!1111 |
| 06:47.56 | krenin | heh. |
| 06:48.11 | pstickne | what's the difference between linux-tree-2.6.x and linux-source-2.6.x; tree makes it sounds similar but... |
| 06:49.43 | pstickne | ah, whatever, I'm getting "source" |
| 06:49.53 | xsdg | pstickne: linux-tree is a virtual package that depends on -source (as well as other stuff) |
| 06:50.06 | rahul | 146 UNKNOWN FAILURES |
| 06:50.08 | rahul | WTF. |
| 06:50.30 | pstickne | xsdg, thanks. I guess I should get that too :) |
| 06:50.59 | pstickne | hmm. only 1.3M of extras. |
| 06:52.02 | hooya | has anyone tried installing from the debianLive CD? does that work? |
| 06:53.57 | rahul | the windows route command keeps ignoring me |
| 06:54.07 | rahul | I can't frigging add a host route |
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| 06:58.50 | rahul | oh thank goodness. the failures were in gds, which we don't care about :) |
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| 07:02.06 | pstickne | debian makes me lazy. copy config. make kernel skeleton, etc. |
| 07:02.34 | pstickne | actually, I suppose I could have stopped after the config part... |
| 07:03.00 | com4 | yeah, but i like that about debian |
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| 07:03.22 | DiamonD | morning fellows |
| 07:04.12 | DiamonD | does anyone knows the command to remove exim from my debian server ? |
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| 07:04.25 | pstickne | craptastic. this automated compiler is bitching between 2.6.18 and 2.6.18-3-686. blasted thing. |
| 07:04.33 | pstickne | time to apply a "fix" |
| 07:04.34 | com4 | DiamonD: i looked that up just today, you can't technically remove it because you apperently need an MTA for some reason |
| 07:04.47 | com4 | DiamonD: instead of removing it, you have to replace it. may i suggest nullmailer |
| 07:04.50 | DiamonD | yes but there is a way |
| 07:04.56 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason not to have an MTA. |
| 07:04.58 | DiamonD | i have uninstalled it before |
| 07:05.22 | com4 | dondelelcaro: how about because it's not a mail server, and you can use your mail server to send mail |
| 07:05.23 | DiamonD | ok.. |
| 07:05.28 | dondelelcaro | DiamonD: you can remove it, but you either have to replace it with something that provides mail-transport-agent, or remove all of the things that depend upon mail-transport-agent. |
| 07:05.39 | dondelelcaro | com4: you still need something to get the mail off of that machine. |
| 07:05.52 | com4 | why would you want a mail server, just one more daemon running as probably root waiting to be exploited on a database serveR? |
| 07:05.53 | dondelelcaro | com4: either nullmailer or ssmtp are perfectly fine MTAs. |
| 07:06.01 | PingFloyd | I could have sworn I've removed it before |
| 07:06.10 | rahul | com4: it doesn't have to listen on any ports |
| 07:06.18 | rahul | com4: it can just handle outgoing mail |
| 07:06.21 | dondelelcaro | com4: they definetly do not have to run as root, nor does it have to be a daemon. |
| 07:06.31 | com4 | heh right |
| 07:06.38 | com4 | but default installing exim... :) |
| 07:06.56 | rahul | the default exim config is to not listen, I thought |
| 07:07.03 | DiamonD | i want to install postfix should i remove exim4 for good ? |
| 07:07.04 | dondelelcaro | com4: that's the default because exim can be configured to do almost anything, from local only delivery to a full fledged MTA. |
| 07:07.12 | dondelelcaro | DiamonD: then just aptitude install postfix; |
| 07:07.18 | Guerin | !why exim4 |
| 07:07.18 | dpkg | http://resiak.dyndns.org/~will/logloglog/?m=single&qid=31 |
| 07:07.20 | dondelelcaro | DiamonD: it'll cause exim to be removed. |
| 07:07.25 | Guerin | com4: read that ↑ |
| 07:07.26 | Chandu | is there any way to add additional langauags (locales) without doing "dpkg-reconfigure locales" , thru any other command or scrip |
| 07:07.39 | com4 | Usually what i like to do for an MTA is use a script to act like a sendmail binary but forward the mail to my real SMTP server |
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| 07:07.42 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: locale-gen |
| 07:07.53 | dondelelcaro | com4: what do you think ssmtp is? |
| 07:07.57 | Guerin | com4: there are several mtas like that in debian |
| 07:08.07 | Guerin | nullmailer, ssmtp both do |
| 07:08.12 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, that will generate the locales already se t .. |
| 07:08.42 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: yes, and you can set them with /etc/locale.gen, which you would have figured out if you read the manpage. |
| 07:08.50 | pstickne | I really love sh scripts. I just fixed my problem by fixing an undersight :)) |
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| 07:09.02 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, ok I will check it . . |
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| 07:09.36 | com4 | Guerin/dondelelcaro: Gotcha :) then i stand corrected |
| 07:09.43 | dondelelcaro | hell, nullmailer's can even be configured to run a script as the delivery agent to do complex things, like ssh'ing into a remote host and running sendmail there. |
| 07:09.52 | DiamonD | ok so whats the command for it to remove exim4 for good ? |
| 07:10.00 | dondelelcaro | DiamonD: install whatever MTA you want |
| 07:10.03 | DiamonD | i just want the thing off my machine |
| 07:10.05 | DiamonD | :) |
| 07:10.28 | dondelelcaro | DiamonD: MTAs conflict with eachother, so only one can be installed at a time. Pick the one you want, and install it. |
| 07:10.40 | com4 | DiamonD: many other debian packages depend on an MTA, you have to replace it not uninstall it |
| 07:10.40 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, If I set in /etc/locale.gen and generate using locale.gen command .. can I login with other language support |
| 07:10.53 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: you can just set LANG and use it directly. |
| 07:11.16 | dondelelcaro | (or LANGUAGE or LC_ or whatever you want) |
| 07:11.17 | DiamonD | ok |
| 07:11.21 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, No I want to have different languages in my display manager .. |
| 07:11.41 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: you mean after you've logged into your session? or in the DM itself? |
| 07:11.58 | Chandu | dondelelcaro,in display manager .. langauge selection window |
| 07:12.13 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: that's a function of the DM. Not all DMs support all languages or display them. |
| 07:12.19 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, So If I select English .. should login in English ..If I select Hindi should login with hindi .. |
| 07:12.37 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: what language it logs in is purely a function of who and what sets LANG. |
| 07:12.54 | dondelelcaro | session files can trivially override the DM's pathetic attempts at setting a locale. |
| 07:14.36 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, No during installation .. Iam installing with only English .. If I select there additional languages too .. Those are displaying in DM .. ight |
| 07:14.46 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: you're not making any sense. |
| 07:15.41 | dondelelcaro | the locales that the installer offers have nothing to do with the locales that a DM displays or you can cause to be built with locale-gen. |
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| 07:16.23 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, Iam building a custom cd .. |
| 07:16.47 | dondelelcaro | and? |
| 07:16.48 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, I want some languages locales should get instaleld by default regardless of the selection |
| 07:17.10 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: you can't do things that way. You can specify a set of defaults that should be built, but if people deselect them, they won't be. |
| 07:17.23 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, So I thought of putting in a script if any way isthere to add additional languages |
| 07:17.24 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: changing the default is as simple as preseeding the debconf database. |
| 07:17.46 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, it's stupid to do things that way when there are far saner methods) |
| 07:17.55 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, But default is not only one locale ..more that that |
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| 07:18.36 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: who said anything about the default only being one locale? |
| 07:18.57 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, No I thought .. |
| 07:19.07 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, I checked in the isntaller source .. |
| 07:19.18 | dondelelcaro | the installer source has nothing to do with building locales. |
| 07:19.19 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, By default only en_US is there .. |
| 07:19.33 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, Then where do I need to do .. |
| 07:19.34 | dondelelcaro | and no, there are far more languages included than en_US |
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| 07:19.55 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, yup languages list is there .. but by defualt en_US |
| 07:19.59 | dondelelcaro | but you're conflating different things here. There are the locales which are part of the strings for the installer, and there are the locales which are built on the installed disk. |
| 07:20.19 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: sure, because that's what the default preseeded value for the installer is. |
| 07:20.24 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: it's trivial to change it. |
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| 07:20.33 | Guerin | to as many defaults as you want |
| 07:20.40 | Guerin | which users can then deselect |
| 07:21.02 | dondelelcaro | if we're talking about the *installer's* locale, there can be only one. |
| 07:21.22 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, yup |
| 07:21.23 | dondelelcaro | If you're talking about the locales that are built and installed onto the machine that you're installing to, you can select as many as you want. |
| 07:21.27 | fallingdutch | anyone an idea why i can't connect to my svn-server using its hostname but can if using its ip althought dig hostname returns the ip? |
| 07:21.49 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: does ping hostname; work? |
| 07:22.01 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 07:22.11 | fallingdutch | and http hostname works |
| 07:22.13 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: does your apache configuration have a virtualhost for your named svn server? |
| 07:22.43 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, running it as svn not as http - so direct connection to port 3690 |
| 07:23.17 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: eh? why aren't you using dav-svn? |
| 07:23.40 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, Selection I know .. I want to make my installer such a way that .. Regardless of the seelction soem lcoales should get installed by default |
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| 07:24.03 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: doing that is idiotic. Users should always be able to override your selection. |
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| 07:24.12 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, just not using it right now |
| 07:24.14 | rahul | !penixstrike atdt |
| 07:24.15 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking atdt to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:24.19 | rahul | like that :) |
| 07:24.24 | vyrus | ok so, ive got apache2 installed and php5 installed apache2 works and refrances.php files.... but phpinfo dosent work? |
| 07:24.27 | vyrus | help ? |
| 07:24.33 | rahul | hrm |
| 07:24.39 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, telnet hostname 3690 works, too |
| 07:24.41 | rahul | bah, he's not even here |
| 07:24.46 | vyrus | ok so, ive got apache2 installed and php5 installed apache2 works and refrances.php files.... but phpinfo dosent work? |
| 07:24.49 | vyrus | help ? |
| 07:24.55 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, No .. Iam customizing it to only Indian languages .. So I wnat all Indian lnalgauges locales should get installed by default .. |
| 07:25.04 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: if you want to pick a default for the set of locales to be built and/or installed, seed the debconf file. Doing anything else is stupid, and I'm not particularly interested in helping you do that. |
| 07:25.06 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, Other lanagues Iam removing |
| 07:25.28 | diskus | hey does anyone know is it possible to make desktop size bigger than physical display? |
| 07:25.32 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, How do I preseed then |
| 07:25.33 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: you can't remove the other languages without modifying the locales package. Doing that is rather stupid. |
| 07:25.41 | diskus | at least it was possible in the old times |
| 07:25.41 | vyrus | diskus yes |
| 07:25.49 | diskus | can't seem to find any info about this |
| 07:25.50 | sep | Chandu, http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/example-preseed.txt |
| 07:25.57 | dondelelcaro | Chandu: by running debconf-set-selections or similar. |
| 07:25.58 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, no removing in the sense ..jsut display list .. that I have done .. |
| 07:26.35 | Chandu | sep, thank u |
| 07:26.49 | Chandu | dondelelcaro, I wil ltry preseeding .. and get back to u |
| 07:27.15 | dondelelcaro | you'd probably also have better luck first working on improving the locale support for hindi and the few hundred other indian languages in Debian than bothering with a custom installer... but it's your time, not mine. |
| 07:27.15 | sep | Chandu, keep in mind the begining of the file. you can not preseed the installers language using that file. but you can preseed what gets installed. |
| 07:27.29 | sep | to preseed the installers language and locale you can use boot arguments. |
| 07:27.31 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, any ideas left? |
| 07:27.45 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: and what exactly is running on 3690? |
| 07:27.56 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: and furthermore, how do you expect to connect to it using svn? |
| 07:28.04 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, OpenBSD svnserve |
| 07:28.04 | Chandu | sep, yup I want that only .. only I want to get few languages get installed |
| 07:28.12 | dondelelcaro | oh dear lord. |
| 07:28.29 | sep | :( |
| 07:30.45 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, i don't think that svnserve is the problem, because when connecting to the host with ip it works without any problems |
| 07:31.11 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, but when using hostname svn returns an error "cannot connect to host hostname" |
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| 07:31.25 | triplc | hi all |
| 07:31.31 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, but dig hostname returns the ip |
| 07:31.37 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: it's clearly resolving the hostname, it's not able to connect to it. |
| 07:31.47 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: most likely you're not specifying the URL correctly. |
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| 07:32.09 | dondelelcaro | fallingdutch: if you doubt that that's the problem, strace svn and you'll see exactly what is going on. |
| 07:32.25 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, ill give it a try thanks for you help |
| 07:32.55 | dondelelcaro | np; good luck. |
| 07:34.03 | triplc | i've been using etch, and today, after upgrading from 2.6.17-2 to 2.6.18-3, the command dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source is not working |
| 07:34.25 | triplc | anyone please tell me how to get it work? |
| 07:34.26 | Guerin | triplc: what does it ordinarily do? |
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| 07:34.40 | com4 | I'm getting an MCE while trying to install the amd64 debian etch. I would like to start figureing out the problem with it, but i need to run the mcelog util. does mce log parse something that's displayed to me (just a few random hex values) or does it parse something much more hairy that i won't be able to get access to? |
| 07:35.03 | Guerin | com4: man, you're having real trouble with this thing. |
| 07:35.13 | com4 | Guerin: yeah :) |
| 07:35.17 | triplc | i have wacom tablet and the drive must be install via running "dpkg-reconfigure wacom-kernel-source" and then "dpkg -i ....deb" |
| 07:35.38 | triplc | and each time the kernel change version, i have to rebuild that driver (i think) |
| 07:36.09 | com4 | Guerin: at this point i'm downloading a ubuntu edgy server cd (blech) just to see if it's the debian's selection of kernels, or if ubuntu actually did something differently and nicer to this setup |
| 07:37.09 | prometheus | anyone know the recommended method for installing java on debian? Every account I read says to use the java-package, however from what I can tell that package is no longer maintained in the distro or on any of the apt repositories... |
| 07:37.53 | com4 | prometheus: i usually just install the sun package in /opt and edit my .bash_profile |
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| 07:38.02 | Guerin | triplc: you probably need to go back to the old kernel |
| 07:38.16 | Guerin | triplc: if it builds a kernel module or such, it needs a match |
| 07:38.51 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, where should be the port number? on connect or on getsockname? |
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| 07:39.01 | Guerin | prometheus: java-package is going to be obsolete soon with the GPLing of sun java, but it does still work for 1.5 |
| 07:39.15 | Guerin | though not for 1.56 |
| 07:39.20 | Guerin | 1.6, like |
| 07:39.40 | prometheus | So if I wanted to do 1.6, I'd just be better off to do the stock Sun install? |
| 07:40.29 | Guerin | suppose so |
| 07:41.00 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(0), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.1.1")}, 16) = 0, shouldn't sin_port be htons(3690)? |
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| 07:41.28 | prometheus | thanks guys |
| 07:42.01 | fallingdutch | dondelelcaro, when using ip instead of hostname: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(3690), sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.1.1")}, 16) = 0 |
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| 07:42.24 | mike | hello my usb mouse locks up after approx 10 min on my new laptop? |
| 07:42.37 | rahul | mike: is that a question? |
| 07:42.55 | mike | sorry its a problem |
| 07:42.56 | rahul | because it's not one in english |
| 07:42.58 | fallingdutch | rahul, i guess the answer is "yes" :) |
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| 07:43.07 | mike | =yes |
| 07:44.54 | mike | rahul: Is that an answer? |
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| 07:45.27 | rahul | eh? |
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| 07:59.22 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 08:02.50 | thyko | what happened to debian 4.0? |
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| 08:07.31 | com4 | For those of you following at home Edgy 64Bit also breaks while installing... Now for everyone's favorite task of trying to figure out which hardware component is broken!! |
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| 08:12.12 | tarzeau | how to regenerate E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 08:12.24 | tarzeau | com4: edgy? this is not #ubuntu here |
| 08:12.52 | Guerin | tarzeau: yeah, his etch install is freaking and he's using ubuntu to triangulate what's broken |
| 08:13.11 | Guerin | com4: does that necessarily mean it's hardware? |
| 08:13.23 | tarzeau | Guerin: ah, i missed that |
| 08:13.41 | tarzeau | i've also seen ubuntu fail on new 64bit intel hw here |
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| 08:23.29 | Guerin | heh, so the norkies are feeling the bits |
| 08:23.39 | Guerin | the bite, even. Of winter. |
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| 08:25.47 | foxure | Hello. I am searching for a application that can boot thin client securley over wan. |
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| 08:27.33 | Malagmyr | foxure: that's gonna take time to do... |
| 08:28.32 | foxure | Malagmyr, exactly what i guessed.:) i already have a thin client system. but its only working in a unsecure way, NFS and pxeboot |
| 08:28.39 | foxure | and tftp |
| 08:28.54 | foxure | ofcourse its out of question to do that over wan |
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| 08:32.18 | Mike-kayaker | Where in this polluted planet is 4.0? |
| 08:32.22 | StuckMojo | hi. there's no firefox 2.0 packages around, even on experimental? |
| 08:32.43 | cydork | StuckMojo: there is iceweasel |
| 08:32.45 | Mike-kayaker | StuckMojo: iceweasel |
| 08:32.49 | cydork | !iceweasel |
| 08:32.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 08:33.13 | StuckMojo | thanks |
| 08:33.19 | cydork | StuckMojo: it's not in etch but in sid. |
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| 08:33.26 | StuckMojo | im on sid |
| 08:33.32 | foxure | Is citrix something that i maybe like? |
| 08:33.33 | StuckMojo | i've got icedove |
| 08:33.52 | StuckMojo | thanks |
| 08:34.37 | Mike-kayaker | StuckMojo: works well with mplayer plugin and flash beta 9.0 |
| 08:35.58 | Mike-kayaker | Any firm release date for 4.0? |
| 08:36.04 | Coweater | no |
| 08:36.09 | Mike-kayaker | mm |
| 08:36.43 | nvz | Dec 2 I believe |
| 08:40.34 | Mike-kayaker | Oh well etch has been stable |
| 08:40.52 | Mike-kayaker | Dec 2nd err mm |
| 08:41.09 | nvz | yeah you cant win em all |
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| 08:41.59 | StuckMojo | this is rediculous |
| 08:42.09 | Mike-kayaker | it is mojo |
| 08:42.22 | Mike-kayaker | insane |
| 08:42.26 | StuckMojo | honestly i can see both sides of it |
| 08:42.42 | StuckMojo | but IMO Eric should have just relaxed the debian restriction |
| 08:43.10 | cydork | !opinions |
| 08:43.10 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
| 08:43.30 | Mike-kayaker | lol |
| 08:43.52 | StuckMojo | it just seems like an aweful lot of package churn and work .... meh |
| 08:44.07 | StuckMojo | does the FF package now point to iceweasel? |
| 08:44.14 | StuckMojo | at least? |
| 08:44.20 | Mike-kayaker | yep and then hello;a late release |
| 08:44.31 | karsten | StuckMojo: apt-cache show firefox |
| 08:44.35 | Mike-kayaker | no |
| 08:44.55 | nvz | its never really late cause its always released when its ready |
| 08:45.08 | StuckMojo | karsten: it doesn't mention it |
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| 08:45.19 | cydork | !info firefox sid |
| 08:45.20 | karsten | StuckMojo: It does in testing/unstable |
| 08:45.22 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 08:45.24 | StuckMojo | however, apt-get upgrade moved me off thunderbird and onto icedove |
| 08:45.38 | karsten | Heh. |
| 08:45.44 | Mike-kayaker | iceweasel is manuel |
| 08:46.55 | StuckMojo | ah, eterm scrolling bit me |
| 08:47.04 | StuckMojo | i didn't see 2 packages were returned |
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| 08:47.23 | Mike-kayaker | Whats with the codecs,Pre-install them all |
| 08:47.30 | StuckMojo | i wish it scrolled half page rather than full page with the mouse wheel |
| 08:48.52 | niru | hello all |
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| 08:49.18 | StuckMojo | i do get mozilla's point about sis of the fathers... |
| 08:49.19 | StuckMojo | heh |
| 08:49.26 | StuckMojo | s/sis/sins/ |
| 08:49.27 | sf | hello all :) |
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| 08:50.22 | niru | hi sf |
| 08:51.35 | sf | I have a 64bit etch installed. Now Iwant to install egroupware but it end in broken dependencies: |
| 08:52.03 | sf | http://paste.axpr.net/?show=144812 |
| 08:52.03 | sf | can someone help? |
| 08:53.30 | sf | Im also not able to use apache-php4 and php5 at same time |
| 08:54.01 | niru | sf:which language is tthat |
| 08:54.07 | sf | german |
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| 08:54.34 | StuckMojo | karsten: lol |
| 08:54.55 | cydork | karsten: that's the T-spot :P |
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| 08:56.25 | sf | maybe you see it better when I do : apt-get install egroupware-core: |
| 08:56.28 | karsten | cydork: Bingo. |
| 08:56.29 | sf | http://paste.axpr.net/?show=144821 |
| 08:56.43 | malebria | Hello, aren't there anymore the smp pre-compiled kernels? |
| 08:57.23 | karsten | malebria: Um. Yes. |
| 08:57.23 | sf | egroupware wants php smaller then 5.2, correct? |
| 08:57.37 | karsten | malebria: 'linux-image' not 'kernel-image' FYI. |
| 08:57.48 | cydork | malebria: you mean >=2.6.17? |
| 08:57.50 | malebria | karsten: I'm using etch, and it sais that it's a transitory package. |
| 08:57.59 | malebria | cydork: yes. |
| 08:58.12 | cydork | malebria: smp support is in-built |
| 08:58.22 | malebria | cydork: hum, nice. |
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| 08:58.32 | karsten | sf: es ist leichter fur uns seiner problem zu erklaren weil sie hat "LANG=C" gesetzt. |
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| 08:58.50 | karsten | sf: export LANG=C should force output to English. |
| 08:59.20 | malebria | The description of linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 is the same. |
| 08:59.23 | karsten | sf: egroupware wants PHP strictly less than 5.2 |
| 08:59.41 | malebria | And linux-image-2.6-xen-686 |
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| 09:00.09 | karsten | Heh: "Kaputte Pakete" |
| 09:00.30 | sf | okay , thanks! |
| 09:00.31 | nvz | doh |
| 09:00.34 | sf | http://paste.axpr.net/?show=144824 |
| 09:00.43 | nvz | somehow I am typing backwords in abiword now |
| 09:00.46 | cydork | malebria: they are all metapackages |
| 09:01.04 | karsten | nvz: You've got hebrew or arabic language support turned on, I'll bet. |
| 09:01.06 | cydork | nvz: change dial to normal in your timemachine? |
| 09:01.39 | malebria | cydork: linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-3-vserver-686 aren't, but they description is the same. |
| 09:01.40 | karsten | nvz: abiword has r-l language support, as I recall. Not sure how it's set. |
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| 09:02.00 | karsten | sf: Zehr besser! |
| 09:02.01 | nvz | the letters come out on the wrong side of the cursor and tihs gnieb dellps sdrawkcab |
| 09:02.15 | sf | :) |
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| 09:03.02 | karsten | sf: You can specify specific versions of packages w/ apt-get or aptitude. "-t" option. |
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| 09:03.24 | cydork | malebria: hmm that's true. |
| 09:03.25 | karsten | sf: Um. Nevermind, wrong feature. |
| 09:03.56 | ndowens | hey |
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| 09:04.34 | karsten | sf: Hrm. You'll have to see if there *are* < 5.2 versions of PHP5. |
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| 09:05.15 | Zap-W | so what's the difference between using @ IN NS blah.... and <empty space> IN NS blah... |
| 09:05.39 | cydork | ndowens: hey |
| 09:05.52 | sf | no, there should be another solution, cause it is installable via apt and apt should solve the problem |
| 09:05.54 | karsten | sf: May be a temporary packaging glitch as stuff's being upgraded. Or not. |
| 09:05.59 | ndowens | cydork what up? |
| 09:06.08 | karsten | sf: Not if there isn't an available package. |
| 09:06.22 | karsten | sf: ... in which case apt is solving the problem by not installing egroupware ;-) |
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| 09:07.48 | ndowens | cydork right now i am on ubuntu sigh, atleast it is debian based, still waiting for the dvds, surely they will be in today when i get off work |
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| 09:08.17 | Mahmoud | hello |
| 09:08.19 | ndowens | cydork brb |
| 09:08.23 | Mahmoud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:08.36 | Mahmoud | Oh, I mean Debiann |
| 09:08.38 | cydork | Mahmoud: ask #ubuntu |
| 09:08.40 | Mike-kayaker | hello Mahmoud |
| 09:08.42 | cast | ssh, public keys, a script |
| 09:08.45 | Mahmoud | i was mistaken.. typo |
| 09:08.54 | Mahmoud | craigevil, Miesco, I meant debian.. |
| 09:09.30 | Mike-kayaker | is it ok to say "linux mint"? |
| 09:09.40 | karsten | Mike-kayaker: ?? |
| 09:09.47 | Mahmoud | guys.... any way? |
| 09:09.51 | Mike-kayaker | when is debian not debian? |
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| 09:10.08 | Mahmoud | windows came with SMS to distribute software one go on all clients |
| 09:10.12 | cast | Mike-kayaker: hey bro, a fellow paddler :), and new zealander |
| 09:10.13 | karsten | Mike-kayaker: When it's something else. |
| 09:10.21 | Mahmoud | what does debian have? |
| 09:10.27 | karsten | Mahmoud: cron-apt. ssh push scripts. |
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| 09:10.33 | Mahmoud | oh |
| 09:10.44 | Mike-kayaker | cast: yep multisport |
| 09:10.47 | ndowens | ok back |
| 09:10.47 | karsten | Mahmoud: set msglevel to low or noninteractive. |
| 09:10.53 | ndowens | cydork |
| 09:11.06 | cast | Mike-kayaker: what grade can you paddle? |
| 09:11.48 | Mike-kayaker | cast: not really into d/river |
| 09:11.52 | ndowens | cydork there ya are. had to change my cell phone battery so i could stay on the net heh |
| 09:11.58 | Mahmoud | karsten, that's for updating, what about pushing new package installations? |
| 09:12.05 | karsten | Mahmoud: ssh |
| 09:12.08 | karsten | Mahmoud: Third time. |
| 09:12.17 | Mike-kayaker | cast: have a ruahine gladiator |
| 09:12.18 | Mahmoud | karsten, users sshh to servers? and then? |
| 09:12.19 | ndowens | cydork but yea i am still waiting on my dvds, then ubuntu will be off and etch will be in |
| 09:12.24 | karsten | Mahmoud: or dpkg --set-selections, lots of options. |
| 09:12.30 | cydork | ndowens: good :) |
| 09:12.37 | Mahmoud | end users are dump.. |
| 09:12.41 | karsten | Mahmoud: Um. I don't know. Maybe, um, run some installation commands. |
| 09:12.53 | karsten | Mahmoud: How many systems? |
| 09:12.54 | ndowens | cydork yea i want to atleast install something close to it as i could get atm |
| 09:13.00 | cast | hmmm, once etch is stable...would you guys advice against using cron-apt to autoupgrade? |
| 09:13.02 | Mahmoud | karsten, hundreds |
| 09:13.17 | karsten | Mahmoud: What's your upgrade schedule look like? |
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| 09:13.35 | Mahmoud | i'm just planning about how it will go if i moved to debian |
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| 09:13.41 | cast | Mahmoud: maybe hire a debian admin too :> |
| 09:13.50 | Mike-kayaker | du every day ,,go hard troops |
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| 09:13.55 | lsmith | hi .. i am not experienced with debian stable policies and packaging .. |
| 09:14.16 | Mike-kayaker | me either |
| 09:14.18 | ndowens | cydork trying to get cable internet, be much faster to apt-get stuff heh |
| 09:14.18 | karsten | Mahmoud: If you have a set of packages to add to a bunch of systems, I'd park that list somewhere commonly accessible, run an apt-proxy server, and have something on each host (cronjob) which does something like: |
| 09:14.20 | Mahmoud | karsten.. let's say that I want to push a flash player reader on all systems. |
| 09:14.21 | lsmith | i have a customer that runs debian stable .. if i see this correctly there is a mysql 4.1 package called "mysql-common-4.1" |
| 09:14.39 | cydork | ndowens: heh |
| 09:14.41 | karsten | Mahmoud: dpkg --set-selections $( cat file ); aptitude update; aptitude dselect-upgrade |
| 09:14.46 | lsmith | the exact version seems to be 4.1.11a while mysql is already available in version 4.1.22 |
| 09:14.47 | cast | Mike-kayaker: hmm, bliss-stick RAD180 here :> |
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| 09:14.58 | Mahmoud | karsten, I see |
| 09:15.00 | karsten | Mahmoud: Um. Flash player reader isn't packaged for Debian AFAIK. |
| 09:15.03 | lsmith | does that mean that debian stable is missing all the security fixes since then? |
| 09:15.04 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Where is sources.list ? |
| 09:15.18 | karsten | Mahmoud: If that's just a directory tree, I'd tar it and push it. |
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| 09:15.35 | ndowens | cydork at first they told me i could get it then they started to run a credit check and a message poped up saying it isn't in my area or osmething, so they are gonna send someone out to see if i could get it |
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| 09:15.49 | karsten | Mahmoud: ssh, authorized keys, and ssh-proxy are your friends. |
| 09:16.01 | Mahmoud | thanks |
| 09:16.22 | karsten | Mahmoud: These are desktops then? |
| 09:16.31 | cast | karsten: karsten hmm, what be the pkg name of this ssh-proxy thing? |
| 09:16.44 | karsten | cast: It's part of ssh. |
| 09:16.46 | Mike-kayaker | cast: What do you paddle? |
| 09:17.05 | karsten | cast: If you're running X via [gkwx]dm, do: set | grep SSH |
| 09:17.19 | ndowens | cydork o. i have gmail as well, and aim/icq/yahoo/msn lol |
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| 09:17.56 | Mahmoud | Kerr, yes |
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| 09:18.07 | karsten | cast: If that shows something like: SSH_AGENT_PID=4690, you can run "ssh-add". If you've got keys, you'll be prompted for the passphrase. For any remote host with that key as an authorized key, you can now log in w/o issuing an additional password. |
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| 09:19.09 | cast | Mike-kayaker: i'm a beginner, grade 3 so far :>. WW is my interest |
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| 09:19.46 | Mike-kayaker | cast: adventure racing here |
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| 09:20.28 | cast | karsten: ahh, roger, so it caches passwds |
| 09:20.34 | karsten | cast: Yes. |
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| 09:20.55 | karsten | cast: In memory, with socket access through a file. Nothing's actually stored on disk. |
| 09:20.58 | Mike-kayaker | cast: My friend Sam from canoe&kayak is into w/w in a big way |
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| 09:22.35 | yunhual | hi, i want to build a bootable iso linux which can instruct user to install the image to hardisk like the debian setup program, is there any useful material for me? |
| 09:23.17 | karsten | yunhual: Um. Knoppix. DSL. |
| 09:23.57 | yunhual | to see source code of Knoppix ? |
| 09:24.25 | yunhual | karsten do you means that ? |
| 09:24.27 | karsten | yunhual: http://www.knoppix.org |
| 09:25.12 | karsten | yunhual: bu shi |
| 09:25.13 | cast | grml is a really good debian based livecd, too :). it removes the waste of space of KDE|GNOME and replaces it with a huge array of useful CLI apps :> |
| 09:25.13 | yunhual | haha |
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| 09:25.40 | yunhual | ni yikan jiu zhidao wo shi zhongguo de le ? |
| 09:25.54 | karsten | Sorry. |
| 09:26.10 | karsten | ... and "I". |
| 09:26.16 | yunhual | ? |
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| 09:26.30 | karsten | "ni" "wo" == you & I |
| 09:26.42 | karsten | yunhual: *Very* basic mandarin here. |
| 09:27.00 | yunhual | karsten, where are you. |
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| 09:27.13 | karsten | yunhual: At home. |
| 09:27.16 | karsten | yunhual: California. |
| 09:27.30 | yunhual | en, what nationality are you. |
| 09:27.35 | karsten | US |
| 09:28.06 | yunhual | can you speek chinese ? |
| 09:28.14 | karsten | yunhual: bu shi ;-) |
| 09:28.19 | yunhual | ahh. |
| 09:28.26 | yunhual | :) |
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| 09:28.53 | karsten | Just a very little. And most of that spoken, not written. |
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| 09:29.06 | yunhual | karsten, are you a overseas Chinese man ? |
| 09:29.17 | karsten | yunhual: Nope. American. |
| 09:29.20 | smhar | hello friends |
| 09:29.39 | karsten | yunhual: I'm an american studying chinese in my spare time. |
| 09:29.43 | karsten | smhar: Greets. |
| 09:30.08 | yunhual | ahh, karsten, i am an chinese studying english |
| 09:30.24 | karsten | yunhual: hung how! |
| 09:30.33 | yunhual | maybe, we can help each other, do you think so ? |
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| 09:30.52 | smhar | I have an old athon 1000 pc that was giving me problems and I think it is hardware related, but I decided to try again to install a fresh install of etch into it, as my other pc went limp after the upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 09:30.54 | yunhual | ok |
| 09:30.56 | karsten | yunhual: Could be. Probably not on channel much longer, we'll start to annoy folks. |
| 09:31.30 | yunhual | karsten, ok |
| 09:31.36 | karsten | smhar: HW issues: isolate memory, CPU, disk, mobo. Bad mobo is bad, bad CPU is bad, most of the rest you can work with. |
| 09:31.39 | karsten | yunhual: /msg |
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| 09:32.43 | yunhual | karsten, i am unregistered users in freenode |
| 09:33.10 | karsten | yunhual: Register. |
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| 09:34.19 | karsten | Feh, how do I allow unregistered users to /msg me? |
| 09:34.32 | Achilles14 | I want to view picture in the console, which software shall I choose? |
| 09:34.41 | yunhual | karsten i am sorry, how can i register. |
| 09:34.52 | karsten | yunhual: /msg nickserv help |
| 09:34.52 | Gnea | karsten: by getting them to register :) |
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| 09:34.58 | karsten | Gnea: Yeah, yeah. |
| 09:35.20 | dimir | Achilles14: if you use KDE, kuickshow |
| 09:35.48 | dimir | Achilles14: or you mean console as in no X? |
| 09:35.52 | karsten | yunhual: /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 09:35.54 | yunhual | i have registed |
| 09:36.05 | Achilles14 | dimir: I don't use KDE, I just use text mode. |
| 09:36.20 | Gnea | yunhual: no you haven't |
| 09:36.31 | karsten | Achilles14: Non-graphical: if you're using framebuffer, there's some framebuffer viewers. |
| 09:36.53 | yunhual | \/msg nickserv register <password> |
| 09:36.55 | Gnea | Achilles14: zgv |
| 09:37.06 | yunhual | nickserv stand for what . |
| 09:37.08 | Achilles14 | karsten: please recommand some to me. |
| 09:37.08 | Gnea | yunhual: <password> is not to be taken literally |
| 09:37.17 | karsten | Achilles14: The 'aa' library has some related tools. |
| 09:37.30 | yunhual | en, i known password is my password |
| 09:37.37 | karsten | Achilles14: aaview IIRC. caca-utils |
| 09:37.41 | Achilles14 | gnea: thanks |
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| 09:37.58 | Achilles14 | karsten:thanks |
| 09:38.31 | karsten | Achilles14: You'll be a lot happier running framebuffer in console if you aren't already. See the framebuffer howto. |
| 09:38.50 | Gnea | yunhual: nickserv is part of the freenode services - the only way to communicate privately is to register with it. changing your nick won't change anything |
| 09:38.57 | smhar | now, I installed using a netinstall cd of etch RC1, and still I have few problems: first, apt-get install application always tells that time stamp is in the future ! |
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| 09:39.29 | Gnea | smhar: etch is not stable yet - you should use stable if the hardware is questionable |
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| 09:40.00 | smhar | karsten: well the computer sometimes doesn't boot and sometimes just reboots, I need to isolate the problem, that is for sure |
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| 09:40.41 | Gnea | smhar: have you tried a live-cd? |
| 09:40.54 | smhar | Gnea: I've been using sarge for several months until I had enough, :-) |
| 09:41.09 | Gnea | smhar: you should check out kanotix |
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| 09:41.53 | streuner_ | karsten: is there a single main page which you could report SPAM or open relays? |
| 09:42.30 | karsten | streuner_: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/SpamTools.tar.gz |
| 09:42.30 | t2ktemp | smhar:i had same problem on supermicro 5000v xeon board , the problem turned out to be the system clock , it also hung when updating that ? |
| 09:42.32 | smhar | Gnea: I know, knoppix works fine on both computers too, but for a strange reson I can't understand, I like plain debian :-) |
| 09:42.44 | karsten | streuner: ... is everything I know on the subject. Several spots you can send it. |
| 09:42.51 | Gnea | smhar: i said kanotix, not knoppix :) |
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| 09:43.03 | saintiss | hi |
| 09:43.07 | streuner | karsten: thanks |
| 09:43.19 | saintiss | does anyone know software capable of filling in PDF's? |
| 09:43.35 | t2ktemp | smhar what board do you have ? |
| 09:43.35 | Gnea | saintiss: abiword |
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| 09:43.38 | karsten | saintiss: cat /dev/null > foo.pdf :-) |
| 09:43.43 | streuner | saintiss: gimp |
| 09:43.50 | smhar | Gnea: I know. I am just saying that many other distros, live or ... do work on the computer, and I did try knoppix, but I want vanilla debian |
| 09:44.01 | Gnea | saintiss: wait - do you mean creating PDF's from scratch, or editting a previously created PDF? |
| 09:44.11 | t2ktemp | smhar :download latest daily build, it worked for me |
| 09:44.11 | cydork | stew: ping |
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| 09:44.21 | Gnea | smhar: could be the hard drive |
| 09:44.24 | saintiss | Gnea, you know, these PDF's which have a number of fields that need to be filled in |
| 09:44.30 | smhar | t2ktemp: it is an old gigabyte double bios AMD athlon 1000MHz |
| 09:44.31 | Guerin | saintiss: only acrobat can do that |
| 09:44.44 | streuner | gimp can handle pdf's |
| 09:44.46 | saintiss | Guerin, hmm... no alternative at all? I thought PDF was an open format |
| 09:44.51 | Guerin | saintiss: it's not actually part of the pdf spec, it's a proprietary extension mostly used by complete fuckwiths |
| 09:44.59 | Guerin | !adobe |
| 09:44.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, adobe is now the company distributing the flash plugin, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer for installing that flash plugin on debian systems, or http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 09:45.02 | Gnea | streuner: if they're converted to PNG format first, yes |
| 09:45.03 | Guerin | see that last link |
| 09:45.14 | streuner | Gnea: no |
| 09:45.22 | Gnea | streuner: i've done it. |
| 09:45.40 | streuner | you could 'alter' pdf's via gimp, no matter if they are jpg's or png's |
| 09:45.41 | Guerin | streuner: gimp can edit pdf fields? |
| 09:45.47 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:45.55 | Guerin | you mean as images |
| 09:45.58 | Guerin | which is a WOFT |
| 09:46.07 | Gnea | no, i printed the PDF out on my printer, then scanned it on the scanner |
| 09:46.13 | streuner | yes the WHOLE image and create the pdf via cups-pdf |
| 09:46.18 | Guerin | Gnea: rube goldberg pdf |
| 09:46.24 | streuner | haha |
| 09:46.27 | Gnea | who? |
| 09:46.38 | Guerin | !fgi Gnea rube+goldberg |
| 09:46.38 | dpkg | Gnea: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=rube+goldberg |
| 09:46.39 | streuner | !listkeys goldberg |
| 09:46.40 | cydork | heh |
| 09:46.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'goldberg' by key (6): _default rube goldberg install ;; #debian rube goldberg ;; rube goldberg install ;; rube goldberg ;; rube goldberg network ;; #debian rube goldberg install. |
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| 09:47.12 | Gnea | yeah, i'm reading the wiki now |
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| 09:48.14 | Berteun | Will Debian etch eventually include a Linux 2.6.18 kernel? Because we're trying to install on new hardware, and it fails to recognize the network card & cd-rom drive. OpenSuSE (with 2.6.18) works however. |
| 09:48.42 | Gnea | oooh ok..heh |
| 09:48.52 | streuner | due to several people, debian ships a newer kernel with etch |
| 09:48.57 | Guerin | Gnea: did you ever see the honda commercial? |
| 09:49.03 | cydork | Berteun: yes. |
| 09:49.04 | eap | im on etch(testing), 2.6.18-3 is in |
| 09:49.07 | Gnea | Guerin: i don't watch tv |
| 09:49.10 | t2ktemp | anybody here no how to get xgl working on duel monitors ? |
| 09:49.17 | streuner | eap: d-i |
| 09:49.21 | Gnea | Berteun: it's already there, apparantly |
| 09:49.26 | Guerin | Gnea: it was all over the internet |
| 09:49.30 | Gnea | !xgl |
| 09:49.30 | dpkg | somebody said xgl was the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 09:49.36 | streuner | t2ktemp: xgl isn't in debian (yet) |
| 09:49.36 | Guerin | it was only played once on TV anyhow |
| 09:49.37 | Berteun | Would that also mean the netinst cd-image would include it? |
| 09:49.39 | Gnea | Guerin: sorry, i must have been wanking off |
| 09:49.42 | eap | streuner: d-i ? sorry, im new here |
| 09:49.43 | Guerin | Gnea: likely. |
| 09:49.48 | Gnea | :) |
| 09:49.55 | Guerin | Gnea: you should watch it, it's worth wanking off to. |
| 09:49.58 | streuner | eap: he surely talking about d-i (debian-installer) |
| 09:50.02 | streuner | !d-i |
| 09:50.02 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 09:50.04 | eap | oh :) |
| 09:50.07 | t2ktemp | eek sorry ,anybody here no how to get aiglx and compiz working on duel monitors ? |
| 09:50.09 | Gnea | Guerin: url? |
| 09:50.29 | Guerin | Gnea: dunno. Google rube goldberg honda commercial or something |
| 09:50.35 | Gnea | ok |
| 09:50.42 | Guerin | i think it was the most expensive ad ever made, in 2003 or so |
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| 09:51.47 | Sano | \_o< ~ coin ! |
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| 09:52.28 | streuner | Berteun: so only 2.6.18 supports your hardware? |
| 09:52.51 | Berteun | streuner: Hopefully, although it's a bit unclear to me what patch-sets OpenSuSE includes. |
| 09:52.58 | Berteun | But at least it's certain 2.6.17 doesn't work. |
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| 09:53.08 | Ra1 | Hi, anyone know where to change the modules that load at boot. thank you. |
| 09:53.27 | streuner | Berteun: which part of the hardware is critical? |
| 09:53.32 | Berteun | The network card. :) |
| 09:53.35 | Gnea | Guerin: that's tight. |
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| 09:53.39 | Guerin | Ra1: echo modulename >> /etc/modules |
| 09:53.44 | Guerin | Gnea: innit. |
| 09:53.48 | streuner | Berteun: why not just use another one to install? |
| 09:53.50 | Ra1 | I recompile the kernel, but when boot, debian still try to load unexist modules |
| 09:53.57 | OZ8AAZ | morning |
| 09:54.00 | streuner | Berteun: NIC's are very cheap |
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| 09:54.05 | Gnea | Ra1: so take them out of /etc/modules |
| 09:54.11 | Guerin | Ra1: so? It doesn't hurt, let it be. |
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| 09:54.36 | Berteun | streuner: Yeah, but it's requires disassembly of the case. :) |
| 09:54.45 | Berteun | And we're not looking forward to that. :P |
| 09:55.09 | Ra1 | Gnea, it don't exists in /etc/modules |
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| 09:55.20 | OZ8AAZ | having quite some problem with sshd on testing - suddenly the server won't let me connect ... well, I can connect but it cuts the connection straight away! |
| 09:55.24 | OZ8AAZ | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
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| 09:55.27 | Ra1 | Guerin, I want to change it. |
| 09:55.35 | Guerin | Ra1: you've been told how. |
| 09:55.41 | jerom1 | Hi All |
| 09:55.44 | jerom1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.15 | streuner | Berteun: well, 2.6.18 would be in d-i (debian-installer) |
| 09:56.43 | Berteun | Okay. |
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| 09:57.03 | OZ8AAZ | anyone? |
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| 09:57.33 | Guerin | jerom1: #bash probably knows |
| 09:57.43 | eap | OZ8AAZ: seems like a connection problem? ssh down? auth? |
| 09:58.00 | Achilles14 | zgv give all my ttys mess srceen, why? |
| 09:58.11 | eap | OZ8AAZ: or have you got port blocked somehow? |
| 09:58.17 | jerom1 | Gurein: thanks |
| 09:59.01 | OZ8AAZ | eap: It just came out of nowhere - one minute it's fine and all of a sudden it won't let me in! |
| 09:59.28 | eap | OZ8AAZ: have you got portsentry on? |
| 09:59.30 | aidehua | I'm watching cricket on the BBC website. |
| 09:59.31 | OZ8AAZ | eap: ...and I can't get to the server physically :( |
| 09:59.54 | OZ8AAZ | eap: hmm, embarrasing - cant' remember - possibly? :) |
| 09:59.57 | aidehua | "TZ=Australia/Perth date" is an hour different, saying it is nearly 6pm in Australia. BBC say it is nearly 7pm. |
| 10:00.11 | jmd | I've had to reinstall my machine with etch. Can someone remind me how to get sound working. I can't remember how I did it last time, except that it took about 10 hours of frustration. |
| 10:00.13 | eap | OZ8AAZ: Ive had this prob, before, but my cause was port sentry had blocked my IP, |
| 10:00.40 | Guerin | man |
| 10:00.42 | Guerin | scary |
| 10:00.45 | eap | OZ8AAZ: can you contact support and check iptables? |
| 10:00.48 | jmd | aidehua, Perth recently introduced daylight saving. |
| 10:00.53 | Guerin | the Ashes on three different irc channels |
| 10:01.08 | cydork | jmd: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 10:01.14 | OZ8AAZ | eap: wow - well, there's no support for it - I can restore a backup from earlier :( |
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| 10:01.31 | OZ8AAZ | but portsentry has been running for ages! |
| 10:01.31 | cydork | cricket sucks! |
| 10:01.35 | aidehua | jmd: aha. I guess this is fixed in a newer version of libc6 (I am using sarge). |
| 10:01.40 | jmd | The parliament inflicted it upon us, depite 3 referenda which overwhelmingly decided that it wasn't wanted. |
| 10:02.07 | eap | OZ8AAZ: portsentry has two modes.. chances are you are temp. blocked, check after 1/2 hr |
| 10:02.13 | jmd | aidehua, you have to install the latest version of tzdata. |
| 10:02.22 | eap | OZ8AAZ: all the best! :) |
| 10:02.35 | aidehua | jmd: thanks :) |
| 10:02.36 | jmd | aidehua, That should backport to sarge OK. |
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| 10:03.24 | jmd | aidehua, See http://wa.gov.au/daylightsaving/ |
| 10:03.25 | Guerin | jmd: yeah, you guys aren't far enough south to warrant it |
| 10:03.44 | Guerin | what was the rationale? Farmers wanted it, or something? |
| 10:04.07 | jmd | Guerin, more than half this state is above the tropic of capricorn, where DST makes absolutely no sense. |
| 10:04.16 | OZ8AAZ | eap: thanks! :) |
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| 10:05.09 | eap | OZ8AAZ: anytime, hope you get it sorted out |
| 10:05.34 | Guerin | jmd: yes, i know. |
| 10:06.45 | OZ8AAZ | eap: the funny thing is that there is absolutely nothing in the syslog (which I get mailed with logcheck) |
| 10:07.01 | OZ8AAZ | eap: pretty strange that it would block an IP and not log it?! |
| 10:07.13 | smhar | t2ktemp, Gnea, karsten, 'time stamp in the future' problem solved with simple date command :-) |
| 10:07.17 | eap | OZ8AAZ: perhaps it has logged it to another file in the config? |
| 10:07.30 | eap | OZ8AAZ: but yes you are right, it Always logs |
| 10:07.33 | jmd | Guerin, According to the govt it will "daylight saving will enhance our lifestyle and make WA an even more attractive place to live, work and invest" |
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| 10:07.54 | smhar | so far I apt-get installed few packages from our time :-) |
| 10:08.20 | OZ8AAZ | eap: anyway - much abliged... |
| 10:08.20 | eap | OZ8AAZ: check daemon.log |
| 10:08.31 | OZ8AAZ | eap: wish I could :) |
| 10:08.48 | streuner | !tell ryoohki about root |
| 10:08.51 | eap | OZ8AAZ: :), my servers on sarge default log to daemon.log |
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| 10:09.36 | jmd | cydork, After I've done the one-liner bit, what happens when I get "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" ? |
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| 10:10.03 | cydork | jmd: hmm which kernel are you using? |
| 10:10.05 | Guerin | jmd: riiiight. |
| 10:10.18 | cydork | jmd: which sound card? |
| 10:10.27 | eap | OZ8AAZ: try going thru a proxy if you can (change of IP) |
| 10:10.39 | jmd | cydork, How would I know that ? |
| 10:10.41 | Guerin | jmd: i mean, DST is awesome in regions of high latitude, even in NZ it makes a huge difference. But not about the tropics, that's daft. |
| 10:10.46 | jmd | 2.6 |
| 10:10.51 | ryoohki | is modules.conf still in use in sid rc1? dpkg-query -S /etc/modules.conf returns nothing and my sound card is not being loaded( alsa) |
| 10:10.55 | cydork | jmd: /msg dpkg whats my hardware |
| 10:10.56 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:12.36 | jmd | cydork, Hmm the only thing that looks sound related is "Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller" |
| 10:12.44 | smhar | another problem I have is aptitude. when I run it it shows that there are still packages selected 'from the setup period' and not yet installed, but when I ask to install them it warns that 'untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed. some of the packages re openoffice and gnome-desktop-environment. I am using http://ftp.monash.edu.au and security.debian.org and I added non-free during the setup |
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| 10:14.21 | cydork | jmd: hmm that's strange |
| 10:14.21 | jmd | Guerin, and my girlfriend works in a travel agents. and she has to phone up all the clients who have booked flights, and tell them that their flight times have changed, except they haven't really, only the clocks have changed. |
| 10:14.40 | Guerin | argh |
| 10:15.00 | dondelelcaro | smhar: you need to add the keys using apt-key and rerun aptitude update; |
| 10:15.10 | Trewas | Guerin: shouldn't that be the other way round? in tropics the day is always so short that it is sensible to shift the daylight with DST to most useful time... I know that here in the far north DST is completely useless, it's of no use because all 24 hours have daylight anyway during summer |
| 10:15.22 | dondelelcaro | smhar: then those packages will come from trusted repositories. (Or you could bypass the security check; it's your call) |
| 10:16.04 | jmd | Obviously a module needs to be installed. But which one? |
| 10:16.28 | Guerin | Trewas: more correctly in the moderate latitudes, I suppose. It takes advantage of longer daylight hours in summer by starting the `useful' work-day at roughly dawn, giving you an extra hour daylight in the evening |
| 10:16.51 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: the tropics barely change their day length; they're close to 12 hours of daylight throughout much of the year. |
| 10:16.54 | smhar | dondelelcaro: I prefer adding the key :-) but how to do this? |
| 10:16.59 | Guerin | Trewas: but in the tropics, a day is of a static length - DST would be pointless because there's no seasonal variation, just move the clock permanently |
| 10:17.02 | dondelelcaro | smhar: see the topic |
| 10:17.03 | cydork | jmd: alsaconf should have done that. check lsmod if you see any modules .. |
| 10:17.16 | jmd | cydork, heaps of them. |
| 10:17.39 | Trewas | dondelelcaro, Guerin: ok, so DST should be used the whole year in the tropics if it is used at all :) |
| 10:18.02 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: no, they should just stop bothering with assuming that a particular time of day has any meaning if they care. |
| 10:18.04 | jmd | cydork, maybe I should run alsaconf again. |
| 10:18.18 | jmd | So far as I know it's not been run yet. |
| 10:18.38 | dondelelcaro | it's not like there's some law that says that you have to go to work at 9 and leave at 5. |
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| 10:19.21 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: true |
| 10:19.31 | somiaj | any suggestions for a basic wireless network command line manager that can 'save' network info such as keys, and easilly connect/disconnect from networks with a single command. |
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| 10:19.47 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: ifupdown |
| 10:19.55 | jmd | Aha. alsaconf tells me that 3 sound cards are found on my system. It then gives me a menu. Presumably it expects me to select one or more of them. It doesn't tell me what will happen when I choose one. |
| 10:20.15 | jmd | Whoever wrote that gui obviously came from the Redmond school. |
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| 10:21.05 | smhar | what is the name of the package that checks what is the fastest source for you? |
| 10:21.15 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: can I write different profiles in /etc/network/interfaces, for now I have to modify that file each time I change networks. |
| 10:21.28 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: yes, you can have as many as you want. |
| 10:21.35 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: you then just go ifup wireless=homewlan; FE. |
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| 10:21.53 | b00^wk | hello |
| 10:22.13 | smhar | dondelelcaro: I did apt-get install debian-archive-keyring and it was already there. could be the server itself? |
| 10:22.13 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll go try to find the syntax for that, thanks, (: |
| 10:22.40 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: man wireless-tools; and the mapping section will give it to you |
| 10:22.46 | jmd | Ah well, I tried all combinations from alsaconf, but alsamixer still says no such device. |
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| 10:23.10 | dondelelcaro | smhar: adding the archive keyring is only part of it. You have to add the proper keys too. |
| 10:23.32 | toxygen | hello, any url where could i find some words about progress&release of debian 4? I mean the recent ones, not 2 months old |
| 10:24.34 | pngwn | toxygen, /msg dpkg wwer |
| 10:24.45 | toxygen | pngwn: yop, thx |
| 10:24.53 | jmd | It's trying to open a thing called /dev/snd/controlC0 but there is no such file. |
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| 10:25.00 | Guerin | toxygen: planet.debian.net |
| 10:25.08 | jmd | which package is supposed to provide it? |
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| 10:26.45 | dondelelcaro | jmd: it's a device; no packages provide it |
| 10:27.02 | smhar | dondelelcaro: ok I added 'key 2006' as bot suggested and apt-get update but got the same 'gpg error .... the following signatures were invalid' |
| 10:27.03 | jmd | dondelelcaro, One should create it. |
| 10:27.25 | dondelelcaro | smhar: and what key did it say they were signed by? |
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| 10:28.03 | dondelelcaro | jmd: it should have been created by udev if you're using udev; if not, use MAKDEDEV to do it |
| 10:29.03 | smhar | dondelelcaro: 'GPG error: http://ftp.monash.edu.au etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org>' |
| 10:29.04 | jmd | dondelelcaro, MAKEDEV says ".udevdb or .udev presence implies active udev" |
| 10:29.45 | dondelelcaro | jmd: so you're using udev. If that device is provided by a driver, udev will create it |
| 10:29.56 | dondelelcaro | smhar: that sounds like the mirror has issues. |
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| 10:30.48 | jmd | dondelelcaro, So the question is, which driver provides it? |
| 10:30.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:30.53 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:31.10 | dondelelcaro | jmd: if it's in snd, your soundcard driver should. What is tyring to open it? |
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| 10:31.25 | jmd | dondelelcaro, alsamixer |
| 10:31.39 | smhar | dondelelcaro: I remember someone telling me a program that will check the mirrors and tells which one is faster to your location, do you know which program is this? |
| 10:31.54 | dondelelcaro | smhar: apt-spy or netselect should iirc. |
| 10:31.55 | freespace | apt-sp |
| 10:31.58 | freespace | y |
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| 10:32.59 | smhar | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 10:33.40 | dondelelcaro | jmd: and you've got the appropriate snd_... module loaded? |
| 10:33.47 | b00^wk | hello, anyone knows whats this interface : |
| 10:33.49 | b00^wk | ntbrx25b1 Link encap:UNSPEC |
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| 10:33.55 | PumpkinPie | Hello |
| 10:34.13 | jmd | dondelelcaro, Well this is the problem. Exactly *which* module is the "appropriate" one? |
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| 10:34.43 | dondelelcaro | jmd: check lspci; |
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| 10:35.27 | jmd | dondelelcaro, " Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50)" is the only thing which seems to be sound related. |
| 10:35.50 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: I cannot find a man page for wireless-tools, do you mean man interfaces(5)? |
| 10:36.27 | dondelelcaro | smhar: there should be a manpage for wireless-tools too (may have the wrong name) that talks about the extensions to interfaces that it provides. |
| 10:36.33 | dondelelcaro | s/smhar/somiaj/ |
| 10:36.41 | cydork | smhar: thereis /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 10:36.42 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: but interfaces(5) has all the information about mapping |
| 10:38.07 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ok, I wasn't able to find a man page for it and /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian only contain basic info, but I think I found the info I need, thanks again. (: |
| 10:38.40 | somiaj | I was mainly just courious if I *should* have a wirless-tools man page |
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| 10:40.14 | Teejay__ | on a pentium 3 500 mhz system, with 128-256mb, would a basic gnome desktop system run okay on debian etch? |
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| 10:40.34 | petemc | Teejay__: it wouldnt fly, but it should work |
| 10:41.06 | Teejay__ | I would running a not too too fancy, with low end apps like abiword and gnumeric |
| 10:41.16 | Teejay__ | I would like to find a low end version of open office impress |
| 10:41.19 | Guerin | Teejay__: neither of those are low-end |
| 10:41.28 | Guerin | but it'll run prefectly tolerably |
| 10:41.33 | cydork | Teejay__: then why to use gnome ? try xfce or fluxbox :P |
| 10:41.35 | Guerin | just don't expect miracles |
| 10:41.57 | Guerin | i used a p2-233 with 256MB as my main box from 2003-2006 |
| 10:42.00 | Teejay__ | just that I want to use totem-xine as my media player |
| 10:42.18 | Guerin | why? |
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| 10:42.30 | Guerin | it's the worst media player there is, except gstreamer |
| 10:42.55 | Teejay__ | I have a problem with the gxine firefox plugin |
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| 10:43.08 | jatt | Guerin: I doubt totem-xine is worst than totem-gstreamer |
| 10:43.20 | Guerin | jatt: that's what I said. |
| 10:44.27 | jatt | Guerin: ok |
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| 10:46.59 | Teejay__ | what would be the best all round media player and cd player/s for a debian system running xfce? |
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| 10:48.21 | eSa| | hi, i've installed cups following the instructions at http://www.andreas-janssen.de/debian-tipps-sarge.html#a18, but I'm not able to access the web management interface. What can I try? |
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| 10:48.30 | eap | Teejay__: you could try vlc |
| 10:48.36 | eSa| | I'ts on a debian sarge machine |
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| 10:48.46 | Smooph | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:49.19 | wookienz | hi, need some DNS help. when i resolve an address inside my network www.mydomain.com/foo/ it gives me the correct page but outside only www.mydomain.com works, doesnt allow the /foo/ part. Any ideas? |
| 10:49.40 | Sypher | guys, someone remembers how to send a file trough "mail" from the command line? |
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| 10:50.43 | Guerin | Sypher: as an attachment or inline? |
| 10:50.50 | Sypher | attachment |
| 10:51.00 | jmd | Hmm. So how exactly am I supposed to create /dev/snd/controlC0 ? |
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| 10:51.50 | Berteun | Sypher: You probably have to do it with uuencode and piping it into mail. |
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| 10:52.05 | Guerin | yeah, don't think mail does attachments |
| 10:52.09 | Berteun | I'd rather install mutt or something like that, which does allow to specify files as arguments. |
| 10:52.12 | Guerin | though i haven't rtfm lately |
| 10:52.18 | somiaj | wookienz: www.mydomain.com resolves the same ip in and outsdie your domian it sounds like, so its not a DNS issue |
| 10:52.25 | avds | suppose I have a lvm setup of linear union of 2 disks and the first disk dies, how can I restore the files without filesystem superblock in the second drive? |
| 10:52.29 | Guerin | put your file on a webserver and send a url |
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| 10:52.42 | somiaj | wookienz: is it just outside your domain you can't connect to paticular folders /foo/ on your webserver? |
| 10:52.46 | OZ8AAZ | eap: ?? u there? |
| 10:52.59 | Sypher | Guerin, thats what i cant do |
| 10:52.59 | eap | OZ8AAZ: yes |
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| 10:53.21 | Sypher | as soon as i put the webserver up the line goes raped. donno why, im checkin with ethereal to try to solve this lols :D |
| 10:53.44 | Guerin | Sypher: running your httpd on a port other than 80 might buy you some time |
| 10:53.58 | Sypher | hum .... true. |
| 10:54.06 | Sypher | thanks for the suggestion, didnt think about that ... brb |
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| 10:54.28 | DavidProck1981 | well im on kernel version 2.6.19.1 as of now, but it still was a no go on the fglrx driver, oh ya it installed and every thing, bit it did what it usualy does |
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| 10:54.46 | avds | suppose I have a lvm setup of a linear union of 2 disks and the first disk dies, is it possible to restore the filesystem on the second disk? |
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| 10:56.21 | DavidProck1981 | so fuck this $300.00 video card |
| 10:56.30 | somiaj | DavidProck1981: I noticed a problem with the nvidia drivers on the newer 2.6.19 kernels as well, I belive there is a change there, I just used a 2.6.18.2 kernel instead. |
| 10:56.42 | jmd | Where's the dummies guide to setting up sound. |
| 10:57.00 | wookienz | somiaj, yes |
| 10:57.03 | jmd | not apt-get install alsa --- that doesn't work. |
| 10:57.04 | DavidProck1981 | i have an ati card |
| 10:57.22 | wireddd | jmd what kind of sound card do you have? |
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| 10:57.32 | DavidProck1981 | they just suck on supporting it |
| 10:57.41 | jmd | Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 50) |
| 10:57.59 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: send it back to ATI in a bag with a steaming turd |
| 10:58.20 | eap | jmd: that looks familiar : Ive used that card, |
| 10:58.33 | somiaj | wookienz: It sounds like its a webserver configuration issue not allowing access to pages outside your domain |
| 10:58.52 | jmd | eap, So have I. But yesterday I had to reinstall this machine and now it doesn't work |
| 10:58.55 | DavidProck1981 | ATI Sucks, hell even my favorite game warns about ati video cards |
| 10:59.28 | Sypher | Guerin, setting it up on another port does not rape the connection ... |
| 10:59.45 | b00^wk | DavidProck1981, whats your favourite game ? Packman ? |
| 10:59.46 | Guerin | Sypher: this is probably temporary |
| 10:59.52 | Sypher | Guerin, then im at a loss, when i put it to 80 my ping goes up to 1200 ... |
| 11:00.10 | Sypher | seems like he starts to receive big amounts of data as soon as the server goes up there... |
| 11:00.26 | DavidProck1981 | does any one have why xawtv is the only tv viwer that will work with out any thing needing to be done |
| 11:00.33 | somiaj | DavidProck1981: yes, I know, i was just mentiong the nvidia drivers had trouble compiling vs the 2.6.19 kernel, but worked fine with the 2.6.18.2 kernel, you may just need to downgrade your kernel until the flxglx drivers are compadiable with the newer kernels. |
| 11:00.35 | Guerin | Sypher: read your access logs |
| 11:00.56 | DavidProck1981 | Cube2 is my favorite native to linux game that i have found |
| 11:01.47 | DavidProck1981 | well i did have 2.6.17-2 and it did not work on that SO? |
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| 11:02.25 | eap | jmd: from what i remember there is some additional changes needed (soundcore modules which do not get autoloaded..,) |
| 11:02.48 | jmd | eap, That sounds plausible. |
| 11:02.54 | jmd | which modules are they? |
| 11:03.20 | eap | jmd: trying to think, something to do with the soundcore... |
| 11:03.55 | eap | jmd: asking uncle google to trigger my grey cells |
| 11:05.06 | eap | jmd: via82cxxx_audio is loaded ? |
| 11:05.17 | eap | jmd: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/27192-getting-no-sound-out-my-onboard-via-vt8237-sound-card.html |
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| 11:05.41 | jmd | via82cxxx is loaded. |
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| 11:05.52 | socketERR | hi, in witch packages are the kernel sources, for builing the vmware modules? |
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| 11:06.55 | jmd | eap, I've loaded that one, but still no joy |
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| 11:07.21 | peterS | jmd: via82cxxx is an IDE interface module, not a sound module. the sound module is named via82cxxx_audio. |
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| 11:09.32 | jmd | peterS: So alsaconf gets it wrong ? |
| 11:09.57 | peterS | jmd: alsaconf doesn't use via82cxxx_audio anyway, that's a non-ALSA module. the corresponding ALSA module is named snd-via82xx. |
| 11:10.43 | wookienz | somiaj, ok thanks |
| 11:10.52 | jmd | and there's a snd-via82xx_audio |
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| 11:11.28 | jmd | Anyway, when I change /etc/modprobe.d/sound now alsamixer works, but still no sound applications. |
| 11:11.52 | jmd | I'm now getting warnings about /dev/dsp not existing. |
| 11:12.01 | peterS | jmd: maybe you mean snd-via82xx-modem, which is a winmodem driver that treats an onboard winmodem as a speaker and microphone |
| 11:12.12 | peterS | jmd: as for /dev/dsp, just load the module 'snd-pcm-oss' |
| 11:13.55 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:14.00 | jmd | peterS: Thanks |
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| 11:14.12 | Pippo | hello |
| 11:14.15 | Mazingaro | is anyone using iceape: I got segmentation faults at start :( |
| 11:14.16 | Pippo | i need gelpo |
| 11:14.18 | Pippo | help |
| 11:15.06 | Pippo | who can help me? |
| 11:15.20 | somiaj | Mazingaro: works fine here, though you may want to refine your question, how did you install iceape, what version of debian are you running? |
| 11:15.58 | somiaj | Pippo: you don't ask to ask, you just ask a well formed question, you might want to check /topic and do some reading before you ask your well formulated question |
| 11:16.17 | Pippo | my ethernet card don't run |
| 11:17.04 | somiaj | Pippo: unforntally my /dev/psychic isn't working correctlly, can you provide us with more info as to what your eather net card is, what set up your using, etc? |
| 11:17.40 | Mazingaro | somiaj: unstable |
| 11:17.45 | Pippo | marvell yukon |
| 11:17.54 | Pippo | this is my ethernet card |
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| 11:17.56 | Mazingaro | I'll paste on pastebin the error from console |
| 11:18.34 | jmd | eap: That seems to be it. alsaconf get's it wrong and messes up /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 11:18.57 | jmd | I have to replace snd-via82xx with snd-via82xx_audio |
| 11:18.59 | eap | jmd: great, so it works now? |
| 11:19.00 | Pippo | somiaj? |
| 11:19.15 | jmd | eap, Yes. I think so. Thanks. |
| 11:19.21 | eap | jmd: great, welcome |
| 11:19.33 | Mazingaro | somiaj: pastebin won't work... |
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| 11:20.09 | somiaj | Pippo: you have still failed to provide people here with enough info to see what the problem is. Have you loaded the correct moduule for your nic, have you set up /etc/networking/interfaces correctlly, etc. My suggestion is to find a basic HOWTO on google and start reading |
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| 11:20.35 | Mazingaro | may I paste in the channel? |
| 11:21.01 | somiaj | Mazingaro: It works fine on my system, I'm running debian-amd64. You may want to check the bug reports on the iceape package and see if you can find anything there. |
| 11:21.10 | Mazingaro | somiaj: Starting calendar alarm service |
| 11:21.10 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars -- probably already exists |
| 11:21.10 | Mazingaro | error creating table cal_calendars_prefs -- probably already exists |
| 11:21.10 | Mazingaro | observer added |
| 11:21.10 | Mazingaro | Segmentation fault |
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| 11:21.13 | somiaj | Mazingaro: no you may NOT paste in the chanell, that is what a paste bin is for |
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| 11:21.24 | somiaj | Mazingaro: no you may NOT paste in the chanell, that is what a paste bin is for |
| 11:21.38 | Mazingaro | somiaj: pastebin don't work in my firefox browser |
| 11:22.10 | Mazingaro | somiaj: shall I wipe off .mozilla directory? |
| 11:22.11 | Gnea | !paster |
| 11:22.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 11:22.18 | Gnea | Mazingaro: try that url ^^ |
| 11:22.41 | somiaj | Mazingaro: I don't know enough about iceape to be able to see why it isn't running, but the first place I would look at bugs.debian.org/iceape-browser to start with |
| 11:23.19 | Mazingaro | ok |
| 11:23.23 | Mazingaro | Gnea: it worked |
| 11:23.26 | Mazingaro | Gnea: thanks |
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| 11:23.41 | Gnea | Mazingaro: :) |
| 11:23.43 | Mazingaro | somiaj: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4799 |
| 11:24.11 | Wink|Work | hey debian dudes, any of you have any in depth oracle experience or know anyone who does? :) |
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| 11:25.54 | Gnea | Wink|Work: #oracle |
| 11:26.04 | Wink|Work | Gnea: i've already asked in there :) |
| 11:26.19 | blondie | Wink|Work: well it's offtopic here. |
| 11:26.20 | Gnea | Wink|Work: then be patient :) |
| 11:26.41 | Wink|Work | Gnea: unfortunately this is a rather urgent issue, besides it's quiet in here today |
| 11:27.28 | eap | ..firefox (etch), goes to ualberta.ca on start, anyone knows why? its not entered anywhere, infact, its supposed to goto google... anyone seeing this too? |
| 11:27.45 | blondie | eap: roflcopters. |
| 11:27.57 | blondie | sorry, that's all I can say |
| 11:27.58 | eap | eap: me too :) |
| 11:28.07 | xored | Hello guys |
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| 11:28.17 | eap | and i cant firgure out why :) |
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| 11:28.22 | xored | does that mean, that one HDD is damaged ? ( raid 1 : http://pastebin.ca/278747 |
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| 11:29.23 | sep | eap, type in the address about:config in firefox, and use the filter to lookup "start" and "homepage", you can also filter for ualberta.ca |
| 11:30.09 | eap | sep: good idea, about:config also goes to the same, infact nothing does that, but i will try a filter |
| 11:30.12 | Wink|Work | xored: you'll want to run something like mdadm -D /dev/md0, i forget what command it is so check it out first |
| 11:30.13 | sep | xored, it means that the raidset is missing one device. it does not say if it's becouse it's damageD/removed intentioally/removed becouse of a temporar situation |
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| 11:30.35 | xored | oh s*** |
| 11:30.50 | xored | it`s damaged then |
| 11:30.52 | sep | xored, but it does mean "backup your shit now" |
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| 11:31.02 | xored | oh yes thats the point |
| 11:31.32 | xored | how to test the drives ? |
| 11:31.46 | sep | xored, check your logs first of all |
| 11:31.52 | xored | dmesg ? |
| 11:31.57 | sep | forinstance |
| 11:31.58 | Mazingaro | somiaj: there's no such a bug in the bug list |
| 11:32.04 | xored | nothing interesting in it.. |
| 11:32.35 | sep | and try to look at the partition table of the missing disk, if that works try badblocks or something on the missing parition. |
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| 11:32.58 | xored | the question is, WHICH is the missing disk/partition |
| 11:33.19 | xored | raid-specs : 2 disk, 2 single partitions |
| 11:33.34 | Wink|Work | xored: please run `mdadm -D /dev/md0` |
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| 11:34.07 | Wink|Work | that should give you an idea of which disk is dead anyway |
| 11:34.19 | xored | http://pastebin.ca/278753 |
| 11:34.24 | xored | wt..removed ? |
| 11:34.54 | xored | i guess, this is done manually...and iam a bit suprised, this is my machine..no other users have access |
| 11:34.56 | sep | xored, as i said. removed don't state why it was removed |
| 11:35.10 | xored | sep: yes, but there is no "failed" drive |
| 11:35.18 | Wink|Work | xored: most likely because the drive is not responding anymore |
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| 11:35.55 | xored | so this should be hdg5 then |
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| 11:36.32 | xored | i cant remember wheather is ext3 or ext2, how can i check this |
| 11:37.07 | eap | sep: ualterta.ca is not listed about:config, |
| 11:37.12 | sep | mount should tell you (if /dev/md0 is mounted that is) |
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| 11:37.31 | somiaj | Mazingaro: it looks like the bug might be in iceape-calendar, the only iceape package I have installed is the iceape-browser |
| 11:37.34 | xored | ok , ex2 |
| 11:37.44 | Wink|Work | xored: ext2 and ext3 are almost identical |
| 11:37.50 | xored | sep: how to check the FS now on failurs |
| 11:37.52 | Wink|Work | and you should NEVER run a pure ext2 filesystem unless you know what you're doing |
| 11:37.54 | Mazingaro | somiaj: but I haven't installed iceape-calendar at all |
| 11:38.12 | xored | Wink|Work: ext2 is MUCH better for restoring then ext3.. |
| 11:38.24 | Sjord | Where can I enable TCP listening for the X server? |
| 11:38.37 | Sjord | I think there is a --notcp option somewhere. |
| 11:38.43 | xored | Wink|Work: just think about the inode-names..all names are lost on delete on a ext3 part |
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| 11:39.06 | eap | Sjord, yes on the command line, gdm can do this in the config screen |
| 11:39.27 | xored | Wink|Work: beside, that i would better have used raiserfs.. |
| 11:39.35 | Mazingaro | somiaj: I'm trying to remove iceape-calendar |
| 11:39.48 | Wink|Work | xored: like i said, as long as you know what you're doing :) |
| 11:39.57 | Neeesat25 | I have this line in my fdtab for usb stick: /dev/sda1 /mnt/pictures auto user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 11:40.44 | xored | Wink|Work: is its all sensible data, i dont care about performance or storage-space-inef. . I just want to keep the data as safe as possible..but yes your right |
| 11:40.50 | Neeesat25 | If I change the user,noauto to user,auto I am going to have automount when I insert my usb stick? |
| 11:40.56 | xored | s/is// |
| 11:41.06 | Wink|Work | xored: well if you want to keep data safe you better have a journal of some kind :) |
| 11:41.37 | xored | how to check the ext2 fs.. |
| 11:41.43 | somiaj | Mazingaro: well that looks like where your problem is, I would look for bugreports on the iceape-calendar package |
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| 11:42.59 | xored | Wink|Work: which tools should i use to check the hdg5 partition for errors ( or even the drive ). The drive is IDE ( PATA) |
| 11:43.43 | Mazingaro | somiaj: ok |
| 11:44.15 | Mazingaro | somiaj: segmentation faults even without iceape-calendar |
| 11:44.47 | Mazingaro | somiaj: it'a an iceape-browser problem |
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| 11:44.56 | somiaj | Mazingaro: welcome to the joys of 'unstable' |
| 11:45.05 | Wink|Work | xored: oh sorry, something wrong with fsck? |
| 11:45.10 | Mazingaro | exec /usr/lib/iceape/iceape-bin -a iceape |
| 11:45.20 | Wink|Work | (i'm posting a huge post on dbasupport so i'm half afk) |
| 11:46.00 | Mazingaro | somiaj: it works on another debian unstable |
| 11:46.02 | Neeesat25 | If I set auto in my fstab for usb stick is it going to automount when I connect my usb stick? |
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| 11:47.05 | petemc | Neeesat25: no, use usbmount |
| 11:47.34 | somiaj | Mazingaro: as I said I won't be able to just figure it out, I was just pointing you places I would look for info |
| 11:47.41 | xored | Wink|Work: just checking with fsck..have to wait now |
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| 11:48.02 | Neeesat25 | so it is going to be:/dev/sda1 /mnt/pictures auto user,noauto,usbmount 0 0? |
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| 11:48.19 | xored | Neeesat25: its not alway called sda1... |
| 11:48.47 | xored | Neeesat25: iam not using debian as desktop, but under gentoo you have to work with udev to get such thinks working correctly |
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| 11:49.54 | somiaj | Neeesat25: the problem with that is if you use multiple usb devices the usb drive may not associate itself with /dev/sda1, so setting up info in fstab won't always work. Better to look for an alternative as petemc mentioned |
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| 11:50.36 | xored | Wink|Work: http://pastebin.ca/278765 nothing THAT bad, or ? |
| 11:50.48 | Neeesat25 | petemc: what do you mean usbmount? |
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| 11:51.20 | Wink|Work | xored: it's odd that it shows as removed, if i were you i'd probably badblocks scan it to be sure, i'm sorry i'm not more help |
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| 11:51.39 | xored | Wink|Work: how to scan for badblocks ? |
| 11:52.02 | Neeesat25 | I can see it's a package |
| 11:52.14 | somiaj | Neeesat25: apt-cache show usbmount will give you more info |
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| 11:52.57 | somiaj | Neeesat25: looks like an automatic mounter for usb storage devices..... |
| 11:53.04 | Wink|Work | xored: something like fsck -cc or something? Honestly i can't remember |
| 11:53.10 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi - Is there anyway I can find a list of packages that get installed as default in a base install of Sarge? I want to compare it to the list of currently installed packages. |
| 11:53.13 | Neeesat25 | I have just install it with apt-get |
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| 11:58.56 | lunitik | Hey, what does /etc/modules actually do behind the scenes? something with /etc/modprobe.d/ perhaps? |
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| 12:02.03 | Gnea | lunitik: werd |
| 12:02.18 | lunitik | Gnea: any idea? |
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| 12:02.55 | Gnea | lunitik: /etc/modules is just a manual file that tells the system what modules to load - modprobe.d/ is for the actual program that loads the modules, so it's independent of /etc/modules, hotplug and udev |
| 12:03.05 | Neeesat25 | cool |
| 12:03.26 | Neeesat25 | usbmount auto mount my usb stick to /media/usb |
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| 12:04.15 | ubox | anyone for fetchmailrc ? |
| 12:04.38 | eap | eap: shoot away |
| 12:04.40 | Gnea | !fetchmailrc |
| 12:04.41 | dpkg | methinks fetchmailrc is poll "<pop-server>" protocol "<prot>" user "<pop-user>" with password "<pop-pass>" is "<local-user>" here |
| 12:04.49 | ubox | i know |
| 12:04.59 | eap | ubox: sorry, fetchmailrc shoot away |
| 12:05.09 | Gnea | heh |
| 12:05.16 | lunitik | Gnea: ok, well thank you anyways |
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| 12:05.47 | ubox | what does no dns, <some server> line mean? |
| 12:05.56 | ubox | in fetchmailrc |
| 12:06.06 | ubox | wht should i put thr? |
| 12:06.23 | lunitik | ubox: if you have DNS, you probably don't need that statement |
| 12:06.30 | eap | ubox: no need for no dns really |
| 12:06.46 | ubox | oh ok but wht does it do anyways? |
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| 12:07.08 | lunitik | ubox: likely allows you to use an IP address... as thats DNS's job :/ |
| 12:07.10 | eap | ubox: checks against dns kinda (reverse IP) |
| 12:07.26 | ubox | oh ok |
| 12:07.28 | ubox | ty |
| 12:07.30 | Gnea | ubox: man fetchmailrc |
| 12:07.57 | lunitik | Gnea: $50 says he looks at it... and closes it within 10 seconds :P |
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| 12:08.14 | Gnea | lunitik: heh |
| 12:08.28 | Gnea | so simple... /no dns |
| 12:08.32 | Gnea | takes you right to it |
| 12:08.50 | Gnea | along with every other option available |
| 12:09.22 | lunitik | Gnea: it took me something like 3 years to figure that out... and 2 years of pain slapping - myself for not looking it up earlier! |
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| 12:09.51 | Gnea | lunitik: better late than never :) |
| 12:10.29 | Gnea | it'll look for an info file first - if it doesn't find one, it falls back onto the manpage |
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| 12:11.38 | lunitik | Gnea: ahh... I find info files useful for GNU things... for others, rarely as informative as man pages... can pinfo view both? |
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| 12:11.55 | lunitik | Gnea: ahh... you answered me before I asked... thank you :) |
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| 12:12.18 | lunitik | Gnea: I'll look into it, sounds interesting :) |
| 12:13.35 | Coke | I've been googling for a reason as to why Panda3D is not part of Debian, but I can't find anything on that subject. Is it because of some licensing issue? |
| 12:14.43 | lunitik | Coke: could be simply no one has packaged it... have you looked at the licensing terms? you can ask debian-legal whether it would be ok to package, and the project itself if you're not sure... |
| 12:15.07 | Coke | lunitik: they provide packages for sarge on their website. |
| 12:15.30 | Coke | lunitik: seems to me that a lot of the Panda3D developers are already involved in Debian, at least as users. |
| 12:15.39 | somiaj | Coke: providing a debian package is far different than something being allowed in debian |
| 12:16.30 | somiaj | it could be a licensing issue, it could also be an issue with getting the program to work on all the archs that debian supports, or just getting an offical matianer to admin the package |
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| 12:17.37 | Coke | Hm. Probably. I'll have to ask them. |
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| 12:17.59 | gui | hi |
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| 12:18.22 | lunitik | Coke: Read through http://panda3d.org/license.php and see if anything seems to conflict with the Debian Free Software Guidelines http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
| 12:18.33 | berzerka | what happened to my 'emacs' info node? do i need to update the info directory index? how would i do that? |
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| 12:19.30 | lunitik | Coke: ahh, yes, what somiaj stated is pretty important, if something doesn't work on all arch's, and no one is willing to port... you simply can't have it included in Debian... |
| 12:19.39 | gui | Sometimes my numerical pad seems to be unusable under xorg. And I need to restart the computer to recover it again. Is it a known problem? What can I do to fix that ? |
| 12:20.19 | lunitik | Coke: Kind of a pain for the X, Gnome, KDE etc etc folks, because they are large projects, and not all arch's are available upstream |
| 12:20.58 | Coke | lunitik: but they are still in debian |
| 12:21.07 | lunitik | gui: you should NEVER have to restart computer... couldn't just restart X? |
| 12:21.21 | Coke | Anyway, I checked it up, seems like a licensing issue. |
| 12:21.25 | blondie | I had the same problem with my PC |
| 12:21.27 | lunitik | Coke: because someone ported them, because they cared enough to do so |
| 12:21.38 | blondie | the keyboard went weird and required a reboot |
| 12:21.46 | blondie | my KVM switch is possibly to blame |
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| 12:22.39 | Coke | How come corporations that want to release "free" software always have to invent their own licenses? DOH! |
| 12:22.41 | gui | I don't know why but actually for example if I set ver num to on/off I can't use the numerical keys... |
| 12:22.53 | blondie | ver num? |
| 12:23.03 | somiaj | yea, lots of time the reason it takes so long for a new X/gnome/kde etc to make it into debian unstable is due to the time debian takes to port it. |
| 12:23.34 | gui | vernum is the button for setting the lock or not on the numerical pad. |
| 12:23.55 | gui | ver num is the french call of this key sorry :) |
| 12:24.06 | blondie | Num Lock |
| 12:24.08 | gui | yes :) |
| 12:24.10 | gui | exact |
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| 12:25.10 | somiaj | Coke: it all depends on what they mean by 'free'. But just because something is not in the debian archive doesn't mean it can't be used well in debian, you just have to accept that its not supported by debian and what ever license conditions come with the software. |
| 12:25.32 | Coke | somiaj: I'm not really talking about being compatible with Debian policy |
| 12:25.33 | gui | so, if I switch between on/off the led on the keyboard is ok but it is impossible to write 0 to 9 ... |
| 12:25.51 | gui | can't use + - . too |
| 12:26.02 | Coke | somiaj: everybody knows that gnu, bsd and creative commons have proven _free_ licenses already, why start inventing the wheel again? |
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| 12:26.51 | Coke | somiaj: they always end up making mistakes which makes the software uncompatible with other fsf and oss certified licenses and have to change or accept that people who desire freedom will be reluctant to use their software. |
| 12:26.51 | gui | the keyboard run well and the bug appears after few day of use ... |
| 12:26.56 | gui | it's curious |
| 12:27.32 | berzerka | i miss my emacs info documentation. only the faq is left. where is it gone? |
| 12:27.33 | eneloop | oh, interesting |
| 12:27.37 | Coke | somiaj: I guess they have to make good use for all those lawyers they employ. :) |
| 12:28.10 | eneloop | lawyers? |
| 12:28.30 | eneloop | lawyers = suck blood from the rock |
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| 12:29.18 | Mazingaro | somiaj: even my firefox is acting strange... |
| 12:29.48 | somiaj | Mazingaro: firefox always acts strange, I think its a mirical it works as well as it does, (: |
| 12:30.21 | Coke | eneloop: no, lawyers are just like politicians; the first to become fertilizer when the revolution comes. ;) |
| 12:30.31 | somiaj | Mazingaro: though my guess is you have some 'hidden' issue causing the problems, but have no clue what it is, time to put some problemsolving skills |
| 12:30.50 | Mazingaro | somiaj: no time at all to do that |
| 12:31.12 | somiaj | Mazingaro: well you should really ask yourself "why am I running unstable" then, :P |
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| 12:31.33 | petemc | "because i want the latest software" is the usual answer |
| 12:31.48 | Mazingaro | somiaj: because I need some progs |
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| 12:33.15 | craigevil | Mazingaro: how is firefox/iceweasel acting strange? |
| 12:33.32 | eneloop | Coke, can swines make a revolution? |
| 12:33.36 | Mazingaro | craigevil: java buttons sometimes don't work |
| 12:33.55 | somiaj | petemc: yup, but they forgot to append, "I want the latest software but expect it to work as well as a stable system", (: |
| 12:33.59 | Mazingaro | craigevil: url edit sometimes won't work |
| 12:34.00 | craigevil | are you using adblock or any extensions that might be blocking java? |
| 12:34.00 | eneloop | Coke, is so, they were not swines... |
| 12:34.06 | eneloop | s/is/if |
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| 12:34.16 | Coke | eneloop: you've lost me. |
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| 12:34.24 | Mazingaro | craigevil: exit without error on particular pages/sites |
| 12:34.25 | eneloop | so serious? |
| 12:34.37 | Mazingaro | craigevil: mmmh |
| 12:34.42 | Mazingaro | craigevil: adblock? |
| 12:35.10 | eneloop | adblock? |
| 12:35.17 | craigevil | Mazingaro: from the lq.org forum and a couple other forums some sites with flash and/or java have been causing problems |
| 12:35.19 | eneloop | a FF plug-ins? |
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| 12:35.23 | Mazingaro | craigevil: I got only tabextension and context menues |
| 12:35.53 | craigevil | no idea why, firefox/iceweasel hasnt crashed on me since 1.0 |
| 12:36.06 | Mazingaro | craigevil: the previous release worked fine |
| 12:36.12 | craigevil | eneloop: adblock is a firefox extension |
| 12:36.14 | Mazingaro | craigevil: with the same sites |
| 12:36.22 | craigevil | Mazingaro: have you tried a new profile? |
| 12:36.38 | Mazingaro | craigevil: yes, wiped off .mozilla* in my home |
| 12:36.46 | craigevil | updating from 1.5 to 2.0 has caused problems for many people |
| 12:36.48 | somiaj | iceweasle the new code name for the next version of firefox? |
| 12:36.57 | Mazingaro | somiaj: yes |
| 12:37.01 | cydork | !iceweasel |
| 12:37.01 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 12:37.31 | eneloop | craigevil, is it possible that adblock is just another adware? |
| 12:37.32 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061024 Iceweasel/2.0 (Debian-2.0+dfsg-1) |
| 12:37.49 | eneloop | lol |
| 12:37.54 | craigevil | never used adblock myself I use Stylish to block most ads |
| 12:38.10 | somiaj | hmm, is iceape in the same catagory then, debians fork of the mozilla project? |
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| 12:38.21 | craigevil | not really a fork just a rename |
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| 12:38.29 | eneloop | craigevil, do you really trust them? |
| 12:38.37 | Mazingaro | craigevil: I got segmentation fault on iceape at start |
| 12:39.53 | craigevil | eneloop: its easy enough to look at the code of extensions |
| 12:40.11 | eneloop | craigevil, can you? |
| 12:41.15 | eneloop | craigevil, afaik, the ff plug-ins is not compiled from the source |
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| 12:41.35 | craigevil | iceape works for me, although I rarely use it |
| 12:41.56 | somiaj | Mazingaro: have you read though /usr/share/doc/iceape-browser/README.Debian, they have some suggestions if iceape won't start (don't mention segfautls though) |
| 12:41.56 | DerJamster | eneloop: eh? just another adware? |
| 12:42.18 | DerJamster | eneloop: adblock is very nice. actually, adblock plus is better. |
| 12:42.28 | eneloop | DerJamster, hahah, just my crazy thought |
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| 12:42.51 | DerJamster | :> |
| 12:42.53 | Mazingaro | somiaj: yes |
| 12:42.59 | schme | Extensions in FF can be a problem. It can be hard to verify what they actually do, and they can hide 'emselfs once they are installed. |
| 12:43.04 | Mazingaro | craigevil: even pastebin won't work |
| 12:43.33 | somiaj | Mazingaro: well good luck, I'm passing out, (: |
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| 12:43.43 | Mazingaro | somiaj: thanks |
| 12:44.01 | eneloop | (I wish I had a bookmark-stealing ff extension...) |
| 12:44.12 | eneloop | (hehehe...) |
| 12:44.18 | craigevil | guess im one of the lucky ones I have a ton of extensions and never had problems |
| 12:44.22 | Mazingaro | maybe a prelink issue |
| 12:46.01 | craigevil | prelink never seems to find firefox, always says unable to find dependencies |
| 12:46.11 | eap | quit "leaving" |
| 12:46.27 | Mazingaro | craigevil: were you to tell me the working pastebin site? |
| 12:46.38 | craigevil | !paste |
| 12:46.38 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 12:46.45 | Mazingaro | thanks |
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| 12:47.12 | DerJamster | craigevil: run ldd on the ff binary ;) |
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| 12:47.35 | craigevil | sorry ldd? |
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| 12:48.04 | craigevil | nevermind got it duh |
| 12:48.12 | DerJamster | shows the libraries it has linked to it. You'll find that some are 'not found' as they are not in a global directory, but in some ff specific ones..and hence, prelink won't work. |
| 12:48.21 | DerJamster | same with Openoffice I think |
| 12:48.22 | Mazingaro | craigevil: take a look http://channels.debian.net/paste/4800, an strace session :) |
| 12:48.29 | PumpkinPie | all I do to install apache and php are apt-get apache php4.. then I can run php files right? |
| 12:48.54 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: may I disable then? |
| 12:48.58 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: may I disable it then? |
| 12:48.59 | DerJamster | apt-get install libapache2_mod_php4 (or libapache, depending if you want apache or apache2) |
| 12:49.04 | DerJamster | Mazingaro: disable what? |
| 12:49.10 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: prelinking |
| 12:49.24 | DerJamster | eh? why, it works for the other apps. |
| 12:49.40 | PumpkinPie | DerJamster: wont it install libapache_mod_php4 if I install "php4" ? |
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| 12:49.59 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: ah ok, I thought that it was dangerous for system stability and reliability |
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| 12:50.17 | DerJamster | PumpkinPie: no. php4 has nothing to do with apache. |
| 12:50.21 | DerJamster | and vice versa. |
| 12:50.31 | DerJamster | you can use php4 with apache, etc. |
| 12:50.38 | DerJamster | hence that library/Module |
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| 12:50.45 | Mazingaro | please, then could anyone told me why fwbuilder won't work with ssh sessions? |
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| 12:51.20 | DerJamster | Because it uses a GUI, and ssh is text-based? |
| 12:51.22 | DerJamster | (usually) |
| 12:51.37 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: mmmh no... |
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| 12:51.53 | DerJamster | Tag: interface::x11, protocol::ssl, role::program, scope::utility, security::firewall, uitoolkit::gtk, uitoolkit::qt, use::configuring, x11::application |
| 12:51.57 | DerJamster | sure looks like it to me. |
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| 12:52.43 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: but it has got a feature to connect to the remote machine with ssh to install firewall policy |
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| 12:52.48 | one | hi! |
| 12:52.50 | DerJamster | ahhh |
| 12:53.02 | qwertz | Hi, is there any way to prevent the install cd to start in framebuffer mode without being present at the server (cause the hp proliant remote console doesn't support vga modes)? |
| 12:53.17 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: it told an error about failed authentication |
| 12:53.25 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: but password are ok |
| 12:53.25 | DerJamster | Mazingaro: okay. hmh..no idea. do you use ssh keys? |
| 12:53.32 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: yes |
| 12:53.34 | one | I need to build gnupg statically, is possible make it in debian or do I need gentoo for this? |
| 12:53.41 | Mazingaro | DerJamster: ssh works great on that machine |
| 12:53.42 | DerJamster | one: ..er? |
| 12:54.01 | DerJamster | one: you can compile anything in debian that you can compile in gentoo, pretty much. get the gnupg sources, check the options, compile statically. |
| 12:54.08 | _webi_ | Mazingaro: are you using pubkey auth ? |
| 12:54.26 | DerJamster | seems like it. |
| 12:54.32 | Mazingaro | _webi_: please explain, what do you mean? The keys that are generated first time running sshd? |
| 12:54.38 | DerJamster | no. |
| 12:54.38 | _webi_ | no |
| 12:54.52 | _webi_ | the keys generated to authenticate without password |
| 12:54.57 | one | DerJamster: ok, I thinked that could have a command for this |
| 12:55.12 | Mazingaro | _webi_: but fwbuilder ask me the password |
| 12:55.12 | PumpkinPie | if I install libapache-mod-php4 will it install apache? |
| 12:55.25 | DerJamster | one: there is a command to apt-get the debian sources of it. |
| 12:55.33 | _webi_ | Mazingaro: the latest version of fwbuilder ? |
| 12:55.37 | DerJamster | PumpkinPie: yes |
| 12:55.50 | Mazingaro | _webi_: wait, please... |
| 12:55.54 | PumpkinPie | ok thats what I did, apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 12:56.04 | PumpkinPie | so I should be able to run php plain and simple now |
| 12:56.09 | DerJamster | one: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html |
| 12:56.09 | one | DerJamster: ok, then I was confused with that |
| 12:56.13 | Mazingaro | _webi_: v2.0.9 |
| 12:56.14 | one | thanks |
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| 12:57.35 | _webi_ | Mazingaro: did you read http://www.fwbuilder.org/archives/cat_remote_mgmt.html ? |
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| 12:58.00 | Mazingaro | _webi_: no |
| 12:58.02 | mithrond | hello, I install sudo by apt-get install, but it needn't a password for me , why? |
| 12:58.45 | mithrond | just these 2 lines: User_Alias>-----PARTTIMERS = mithrond | PARTTIMERS ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 12:59.00 | PumpkinPie | DerJamster: -bash: cd: /var/www: No such file or directory ? |
| 12:59.10 | PumpkinPie | something im missing? |
| 12:59.40 | PumpkinPie | it didn't install apache! |
| 13:00.05 | PumpkinPie | /etc/apache/conf.d# ls |
| 13:00.05 | PumpkinPie | php4.conf |
| 13:00.12 | PumpkinPie | you said it would install apache |
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| 13:00.36 | PumpkinPie | now look at the mess im in |
| 13:00.52 | Mazingaro | _webi_: ok, I try the command in that article: ssh -l root PIII-800, server won't accept the root password I gave it |
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| 13:01.11 | _webi_ | did the server accept root logins ? |
| 13:01.11 | _webi_ | sry for my bad english.. |
| 13:01.11 | _webi_ | i know |
| 13:01.36 | Mazingaro | _webi_: mmmh, maybe not, let me see |
| 13:01.49 | _webi_ | check /etc/ssh/sshd_config or like |
| 13:01.58 | DerJamster | PumpkinPie: Oh, yes. A horrible mess that certainly won't be solved by apt-get install apache ;P |
| 13:01.59 | _webi_ | permit root login |
| 13:02.14 | petemc | the default is yes |
| 13:02.45 | Mazingaro | _webi_: PermitRootLogin no it's commented out |
| 13:03.28 | _webi_ | Mazingaro: if you ssh root@yourserver, login works ? |
| 13:03.37 | Mazingaro | _webi_: it didn't work |
| 13:03.58 | Mazingaro | _webi_: ok, enabled |
| 13:03.58 | _webi_ | uncomment permitrootlogin and set it to yes |
| 13:04.07 | Mazingaro | _webi_: ok, enabler |
| 13:04.08 | Mazingaro | _webi_: ok, enabled |
| 13:04.25 | Mazingaro | _webi_: now I'm gonna: ssh -l root server |
| 13:04.41 | _webi_ | to try, but don't shoot me if somebody break into your server :) |
| 13:04.47 | Mazingaro | _webi_: worked! Now let's try with fwbuilder |
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| 13:06.11 | PumpkinPie | when I try to access http://(ip)/index.php it asks me to download a file... ? |
| 13:06.20 | overpointe | Does anyone here know where the video drivers are located in debian? |
| 13:06.34 | Mazingaro | _webi_: eheheh no, thanks |
| 13:06.41 | _webi_ | PumpkinPie: edit the apache config and uncomment the php things, then restart apache |
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| 13:06.52 | _webi_ | and clear your browser's cache |
| 13:06.57 | _webi_ | Mazingaro: still dont work?? |
| 13:07.06 | xored | Wink|Work: still there |
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| 13:07.10 | Mazingaro | _webi_: now I'm testing it |
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| 13:07.18 | _webi_ | gl hf :) |
| 13:07.30 | eXiSt | what is the best nerwork monitoring tool for debian? |
| 13:07.57 | Wink|Work | xored: i'm still around |
| 13:08.08 | _webi_ | eXiSt: it depends what do you want to monitor |
| 13:08.11 | Wink|Work | eXiSt: what sort of 'network monitoring tool'? |
| 13:08.15 | tralala | eXiSt, define "best" |
| 13:08.31 | Wink|Work | eXiSt: define 'for' |
| 13:08.32 | Wink|Work | ;) |
| 13:08.39 | Mazingaro | _webi_: all ok |
| 13:08.45 | Mazingaro | _webi_: it worked :) |
| 13:08.48 | Mazingaro | _webi_: thanks |
| 13:08.55 | _webi_ | nice! :) |
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| 13:09.46 | PumpkinPie | why is it that php5 isn't in my apt cache? its been only how long now? |
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| 13:09.50 | PumpkinPie | years |
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| 13:10.09 | petemc | PumpkinPie: why is it that you dont know the first thing about how debian releases work? |
| 13:10.16 | petemc | you've been using it now how long? |
| 13:10.37 | PumpkinPie | I only know the releases work maybe too slowly |
| 13:11.06 | petemc | you dont know anything if you ask why something doesnt get into stable |
| 13:11.13 | tralala | !sns syndrome |
| 13:11.13 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 13:11.54 | xored | Wink|Work: http://pastebin.ca/278834 |
| 13:12.04 | xored | Wink|Work: i cant see any damage on the HDD here |
| 13:12.11 | schme | eXiSt: http://wiki.debian.org/Network_Monitoring might be good |
| 13:12.13 | PumpkinPie | petemc: where does it explain such? |
| 13:12.23 | petemc | PumpkinPie: debian.org would be a start |
| 13:12.27 | Wink|Work | xored: i don't like the 'invalid argument during seek' |
| 13:12.32 | Wink|Work | xored: how big is the drive? |
| 13:12.39 | vano | I have done a debootstrap / chroot installation of debian. I am having problems with locale (I do not have locale installed, but I do have deb-conf) Can someone tell me how to fix this? I want standard US English. Thanks |
| 13:12.50 | xored | Wink|Work: you mean the drive or the partition which is in raid |
| 13:12.57 | Wink|Work | xored: the drive, because if i were you i'd replace it :) |
| 13:12.58 | petemc | vano: tried dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 13:13.24 | xored | Wink|Work: the smart ctrl says, drive passed the test |
| 13:13.30 | vano | petemc yes.. says locales isnt installed... while trying to install locales, it says it is in conflict with deb-conf. This is a brand new installation btw |
| 13:13.49 | xored | So i guess, i configured smth wrong.. |
| 13:14.02 | Wink|Work | huh? It sounds like your disk is just beginning to fail to me |
| 13:14.04 | xored | Wink|Work: how to add the partition to the raid again |
| 13:14.06 | Wink|Work | but i couldn't be 100% sure |
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| 13:14.19 | Wink|Work | xored: mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/hdgwhatever i think? i forget my mdadm syntax |
| 13:14.23 | petemc | vano: did you debootstrap sarge or etch? i use debootstrap almost daily for xen images and have no such issues |
| 13:14.28 | xored | Wink|Work: i mean, when it fails, i can still replace it, its a raid1 no data loss |
| 13:14.46 | Wink|Work | yeah totally |
| 13:15.08 | eXiSt | Wink|Work tralala _webi_ I want to see which client use bandwitdh what is he doing now where is he connecting to etc etc. |
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| 13:15.16 | petemc | eXiSt: iptraf |
| 13:15.23 | xored | Wink|Work: its added as spared somhow |
| 13:16.01 | xored | Wink|Work: http://pastebin.ca/278836 |
| 13:16.05 | _webi_ | eXiSt: if only you want to check the network traffic, you should try ntop |
| 13:16.07 | Wink|Work | xored: you'll need to do something like --raid-devices=2 but i'm not 010% :) |
| 13:16.21 | Wink|Work | yeah i'm with _webi_ on this, ntop is concise, small and easy to use |
| 13:16.26 | vano | petemc: cdebootstrap testing .. I really cannot tell which version it fetched. How can i find out? |
| 13:16.30 | Wink|Work | xored: ah right it's already rebuilding that |
| 13:16.35 | Wink|Work | xored: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 13:16.51 | xored | its workin |
| 13:17.02 | Wink|Work | how long left? :) |
| 13:17.16 | xored | long time :) |
| 13:17.22 | xored | 23 min |
| 13:17.26 | xored | a lot of small files |
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| 13:18.09 | PDani | hi |
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| 13:18.20 | Wink|Work | xored: you can speed it up by altering a sysctl, i forget which |
| 13:18.37 | Wink|Work | dev.raid.speed_limit_max = 200000 |
| 13:18.37 | Wink|Work | dev.raid.speed_limit_min = 1000 |
| 13:18.40 | Wink|Work | those two i think :) |
| 13:18.44 | Wink|Work | up min to 25000 or something? |
| 13:18.50 | PDani | how can i install a a given version of a package with apt? |
| 13:19.07 | PDani | i should "downgrade" my php5 to 5.1.6 from 5.2.0 |
| 13:19.11 | PDani | is it possible with apt? |
| 13:19.41 | vano | petemc I am doing everything within chroot still. I guess this is not the problem.. any ideas? |
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| 13:20.39 | RichiH | PDani: no, but you can use dpkg -i |
| 13:20.59 | RichiH | pdani: or, if you really want to downgrade using apt, remove the package, pin it and reinstall |
| 13:21.03 | RichiH | !pinning |
| 13:21.04 | dpkg | [apt-pinning] read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
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| 13:21.28 | xored | Wink|Work: i have no clue how to do this |
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| 13:21.49 | vano | can someone tell me whether base-config is important or not? it is in conflict with locales... and I need to fix the locales. |
| 13:22.03 | PDani | RichiH: and where can i find the older packages? |
| 13:22.07 | Jazbo | Hey folks, when I start up fluxbox all of the fonts are so tiny as to be unrecognizable. What do I need to do? |
| 13:22.08 | Wink|Work | xored: haha just leave it then |
| 13:22.11 | Wink|Work | it will rebuild itself |
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| 13:22.32 | petemc | vano: if you installed etch (testing) you shouldnt have base-config |
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| 13:23.04 | petemc | vano: check /etc/apt/sources.list , run apt-get update |
| 13:23.34 | vano | petemc: I suppose one of the packages brought base-config ... (I have installed several things already) ... is there any possibility to see who brought this package? |
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| 13:23.51 | vano | petemc sources are ok and uptodate |
| 13:23.56 | petemc | vano: one of what packages? |
| 13:24.05 | petemc | vano: are you using testing or not? |
| 13:24.09 | JoelR | when i do echo $PATH it only appears /bin:/usr/bin where can i set it? |
| 13:24.21 | tarzeau | yay opencubicplayer now builds on all arches! |
| 13:24.23 | stew | cydork: pong |
| 13:24.24 | vano | petemc: yes. Using testing. I have installed postgres, subversion, etc... apache, samba.. |
| 13:24.31 | JoelR | in /etc/profile it appears right :s |
| 13:24.49 | vano | petemc: wondering whether one of those packages brought base-config |
| 13:25.09 | petemc | vano: i have no idea what your problem is im afraid, i can only say that i have no such issues with systems ive installed with debootstrap |
| 13:25.46 | vano | petemc ok just one thing.. you do have locales insalled but not base-config correct ? I am trying to see what the problem might be |
| 13:26.43 | petemc | vano: yes, on etch systems i have locales installed but not base-config |
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| 13:28.04 | vano | petemc ok thanks... I am installing locales and purging base-config, so far no problems. |
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| 13:29.16 | RichiH | PDani: there is a site.. |
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| 13:29.28 | RichiH | what is the name of the site where this guy keeps all the old packages again> |
| 13:29.32 | RichiH | guys? |
| 13:29.39 | Wink|Work | backports.org? |
| 13:29.43 | Wink|Work | oh wait that's not it :) |
| 13:29.44 | Wink|Work | is it? |
| 13:29.55 | Ronin | Wink|Work: no those are newer packages at backports |
| 13:31.57 | Wink|Work | Ronin: i forget which sites are which :( |
| 13:31.57 | RichiH | Wink|Work: no, but thanks :) |
| 13:31.58 | stew | !sdn |
| 13:31.58 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 13:34.45 | _webi_ | hmm |
| 13:35.22 | Jazbo | How do I make xwindows use 100 dpi fonts instead of 75? Also how would I check what font size is being used? |
| 13:36.02 | _webi_ | why debian work better on my new pc (all hw, soundcard: Vidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2)) while the windows driver sucks ? :) |
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| 13:36.44 | tarzeau | in what order are init scripts started if they are all S20something? alphabetically? |
| 13:37.22 | cahoot | check bootlog? |
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| 13:37.51 | tarzeau | cahoot: where is the bootlog? |
| 13:37.59 | stew | Jazbo: xdpyinfi will tell you the current setting under resolution, /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc is where you can change it |
| 13:38.13 | cahoot | in /var/log (if bootlogd enabled) |
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| 13:40.00 | usr_rob | Which one gives best result: cdparanoia or cdda2wav ? |
| 13:40.26 | somiaj | you have to define what you mean by best |
| 13:40.38 | jareth_ | I'm happy with cdparanoia :) |
| 13:41.07 | usr_rob | more safe ripping |
| 13:41.21 | somiaj | cdda2wav is quicker in lots of cases, while cdparanoia will be able to get a cleaner wav from a 'scratched' disc |
| 13:41.44 | usr_rob | somiaj: Okey, thx alot mate! |
| 13:41.54 | cahoot | usr_rob: with cdaparnoia you can set the level of 'error correction' - don't know about the other |
| 13:41.55 | somiaj | I don't notice any difference for a good quality disc on a good quality drive |
| 13:42.17 | eXiSt | Thu Dec 14 15:41:54 2006 Now running as requested user 'nobody' (65534:65534) |
| 13:42.17 | eXiSt | Thu Dec 14 15:41:54 2006 **FATAL_ERROR** ....open of /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db failed: File open error |
| 13:42.31 | somiaj | cdparanoia tries to 'fix' inconsitent reads, while cdda2wav just reads over them and takes the data as its read. |
| 13:42.33 | cast | it is digital, so unless your disk is scratched surely there's zero quality difference |
| 13:43.16 | usr_rob | cahoot: Yeah, but it will be slower ripping if i have extra paranoia right ? |
| 13:43.23 | cahoot | right |
| 13:43.27 | tuv | i'm still getting this apt-get segfault. 'update' seems to work until it's about to finish then it segfaults. 'dist-upgrade' segfaults immediately though |
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| 13:43.35 | usr_rob | okey, thx! i'll try! |
| 13:43.45 | tuv | i did memtest and got no errors |
| 13:44.08 | somiaj | usr_rob: also on discs in bad condition, cdparanoia will take a long time (I think it spent 2 days on one of my old car discs) |
| 13:44.12 | abeot | is there any good hdd recovery applications around? |
| 13:44.30 | cahoot | somiaj: but it succeeded in the end? |
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| 13:44.41 | somiaj | cahoot: on some yes, on others no |
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| 13:44.58 | usr_rob | somiaj: haha, okey :) thx |
| 13:45.00 | somiaj | cahoot: its kinda hit and miss which tracks it will fix the skips on really bad discs in my experience |
| 13:45.23 | somiaj | abeot: what are you trying to recover off the hdd? |
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| 13:45.54 | abeot | somiaj: some documents, hdd has ntfs partitions |
| 13:46.33 | somiaj | abeot: for ntfs I have only ever used the tool 'getdataback' for windows |
| 13:46.49 | usr_rob | this "-h -V 2 %w %m" will set ---alt preset standard on lame, right ? (found an old conf backup) |
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| 13:46.50 | somiaj | abeot: I unforntally don't know of many other tools or *nix alternatives in this case. |
| 13:47.09 | cahoot | usr_rob: just use abcde |
| 13:47.10 | somiaj | usr_rob: man lame, it will tell you what the flags mean |
| 13:47.31 | usr_rob | somiaj: Okey! ;) |
| 13:47.52 | abeot | somiaj: well it's my mate comp(using xp..) but wondering if i add that hdd to my comp and try to fix it... |
| 13:47.54 | somiaj | usr_rob: trying to set up a rip script for cds? |
| 13:47.55 | usr_rob | cahoot: Thx! |
| 13:48.24 | usr_rob | somiaj: no, im a lamer, i use grip, hehe |
| 13:48.45 | xored | Wink|Work: it worked, thank xou |
| 13:48.49 | somiaj | usr_rob: ahh, yea I wrote my own script years ago cause I was never impressed with how default scrips worked, (: |
| 13:49.02 | jareth_ | usr_rob: abcde does use lame too |
| 13:49.11 | somiaj | abeot: hmm, is the error on the hdd just a filesystem error or an acual problem with the hd? |
| 13:49.12 | usr_rob | somiaj: Nice! |
| 13:49.32 | usr_rob | jareth_: Okey |
| 13:49.57 | usr_rob | somiaj: Please send me your script :P |
| 13:49.57 | cahoot | usr_rob: it does all you want with minimal configuration |
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| 13:50.13 | jareth_ | usr_rob: try abcde -o mp3 , then you will use lame as backend |
| 13:50.27 | usr_rob | cahoot: sounds nice |
| 13:50.45 | usr_rob | jareth_: thx alot! |
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| 13:50.58 | jareth_ | usr_rob: no prob :) |
| 13:51.00 | abeot | somiaj: windows showed bluescreenofdeath and corructed whole hdd etc |
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| 13:51.19 | cahoot | purist |
| 13:52.07 | somiaj | abeot: well my first try would be to just mount the hd with ntfs readonly, and see if you can recover his personal data that way |
| 13:52.10 | jareth_ | cast: won't mind using ogg, but got no mp3player which supports ogg |
| 13:52.33 | jareth_ | i know oggenc en oggdec are superior :) |
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| 13:52.50 | cast | ahh :( well next mp3 player! |
| 13:53.06 | jareth_ | cast: any recommendations? |
| 13:53.21 | tuv | here is my 'apt-get dist-upgrade' strace (segfaults): http://paste.debian.net/18386 |
| 13:53.27 | somiaj | abeot: you may not need to acually 'recover' any files in your case. The file system might still be intact (despite windows is totally corrupt on the hdd) |
| 13:53.39 | cast | i have an iriver, it goes good. ive dropped it half a dozen times [flash] |
| 13:54.05 | tuv | i'm still getting this apt-get segfault. 'update' seems to work until it's about to finish then it segfaults. 'dist-upgrade' segfaults immediately though |
| 13:54.23 | cast | i lean towards AA batteries instead of built in liion too, IMO AA is cheaper/better/more versatile |
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| 13:54.34 | jareth_ | cast: well f*cked my ipod up one time, after a year i got it working again but battery died ;( |
| 13:54.35 | cast | http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers |
| 13:54.56 | jareth_ | cast: thanks, i will take a look at it |
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| 13:55.00 | cast | well, liions are never good for more than a few hundred cycles [where few = <9] |
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| 13:56.06 | somiaj | jareth_: haha, you have the same stance I do, :P |
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| 13:57.05 | jareth_ | me has an ibook lying in a corner with a broken hd and broken lcd dcreen... anyone interested?? |
| 13:57.46 | cydork | jareth_: for free? :P |
| 13:58.00 | jareth_ | you have to pick it up... for free ;) |
| 13:58.05 | rbonnin | jareth_:where? |
| 13:58.18 | jareth_ | netherlands, wormerveer |
| 13:58.25 | cast | oh. and any mp3 player that can't have songs dumped onto it via just dropping it into the partition sucks |
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| 13:58.35 | jareth_ | ibook G3 800mhz |
| 13:58.48 | cast | jareth_: might make a good gw? |
| 13:59.04 | jareth_ | cast: a good what? |
| 13:59.16 | cydork | tuv: hmm i still the file is screwed :P |
| 13:59.21 | cast | jareth_: or server, i was thinking of getting a partly smashed lcd notebook off ebay and using that in a headless situation, since the sell for nothing |
| 13:59.34 | cast | jareth_: gw=gateway, |
| 13:59.44 | jareth_ | cast: i see |
| 14:00.02 | cydork | jareth_: bah netherlands is far for me .. |
| 14:00.06 | jareth_ | it boots perfect from external disk. that's no prob at all... |
| 14:00.37 | jareth_ | cydork: sorry for you... |
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| 14:00.59 | jlhenry | Hello |
| 14:01.23 | jareth_ | all and all... no macs nor ipods for me |
| 14:01.35 | jlhenry | I got the message "files list file for package `proftpd-mysql' contains empty filename" while trying to do "apt-get remove --purge proftpd-mysql" |
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| 14:02.17 | cydork | jlhenry: pastebin the error.. |
| 14:02.34 | tuv | cydork, yay.. apt works again. fix: rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
| 14:02.56 | cydork | tuv: great :) |
| 14:03.35 | jlhenry | cydork, here it is: http://ace.pastebin.ca/278869 |
| 14:04.14 | eXiSt | can u help me about ntop? when i try to run ntop Thu Dec 14 16:21:52 2006 **FATAL_ERROR** ....open of /var/lib/ntop/prefsCache.db failed: File open error |
| 14:04.49 | tuv | cydork, yeah, but i can reproduce the problem. after that rm, aptitude update works, but running 'apt-get update' and then 'aptitude update', the last aptitude segfaults! |
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| 14:05.23 | petemc | eXiSt: is ntop already running? |
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| 14:05.40 | petemc | eXiSt: have you been anywhere near /usr/share/doc/ntop/ ? |
| 14:05.56 | cydork | tuv: hmm well something else is the cause then i guess |
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| 14:06.11 | cydork | jlhenry: does /var/lib/dpkg/info/proftpd-mysql.list exist? |
| 14:06.13 | tuv | cydork, but the fix always gets it running |
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| 14:06.55 | jlhenry | cydork, yes and I just see that there is rubish in it... |
| 14:07.01 | jlhenry | cydork, thanks! :) |
| 14:07.25 | tuv | cydork, actually, after the fix, two subsequent 'aptitude update' cause the problem to come back |
| 14:08.15 | berzerka | for those interested, regarding my question about the emacs manual: since parts of it are not DFSG-compliant, it has moved to an extra package named 'emacs21-common-non-dfsg' |
| 14:08.24 | berzerka | it is in non-free of course.. |
| 14:08.42 | cydork | tuv: hmm bad package lists? |
| 14:09.02 | tuv | cydork, not the lists. i rm'ed /var/lib/apt/lists and it did nothing |
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| 14:11.14 | cydork | tuv: bad status file? there is a backup in /var/backups but cant say for sure if that's the prob. |
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| 14:12.53 | MatBoy | a simple DNS-server with 64MB... do or don't ? Just for some simple DNS-queries to the outside world |
| 14:13.27 | MatBoy | cydork, damn, go and drink beer !! |
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| 14:14.35 | stew | berzerka: yes, the emacs documentation is gfdl with cover texts. in fact the gfdl with invariant sections / cover texts was pretty much created so that the emacs manual could carry the gnu manifesto in an invariant cover text |
| 14:14.45 | cydork | MatBoy: will do after 8pm :) |
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| 14:14.59 | MatBoy | cydork, you are always drunk... I spoke to your boss |
| 14:15.30 | tuv | i can always fix the problem with 'rm /var/lib/apt/*.bin'. afterwards, any two subsequent 'updates' segfault again. i see a new apt in the upgradable packages. upgrading now. maybe it gets fixed |
| 14:16.15 | cydork | MatBoy: no one speaks to him. he always seems more drunk than me :P |
| 14:17.02 | MatBoy | cydork, yes, I was with him in a bar... doing a game on who could get more drunk :P |
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| 14:23.09 | tuv | cydork, it seems the upgrade fixed it.. will see in a few days |
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| 14:23.55 | MatBoy | tuv, cudork is not capable of answering anymore... he is too drunk now |
| 14:24.26 | cydork | tuv: great.. |
| 14:26.07 | eap | anyone here using compiz + nvidia and having problems switching ttys? |
| 14:26.48 | DimmuR | eap: i use beryl with nvidia but have the same problems |
| 14:27.29 | eap | DimmuR: I dont supppose you know a work around ? :) |
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| 14:31.07 | humbolt | what do I have to configure on the server to log from my firewall to a debian linux server (firewall offers to enter a syslog ip)? |
| 14:31.23 | DimmuR | ead: i just switch to metacity before i go to tty and when i back i run compiz again - it mostly works |
| 14:32.44 | stew | humbolt: you need -u, read /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 14:32.48 | eap | DimmuR: thanks, will try that, annoying, but at least its something |
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| 14:34.02 | humbolt | stew: I somehow have to get it to listen to external input on port 514 as far as I know. |
| 14:34.14 | humbolt | I guess, I would do that in syslog.conf |
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| 14:35.11 | RvGaTe | hmmm... chocolate |
| 14:36.06 | DimmuR | eap: if it works for compiz you can define shortcuts for ctrl + alt + f1 to run script that disable compiz and switch to console |
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| 14:37.29 | eap | DimmuR: hmm, did not think of that, good will try that too, thanks |
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| 14:38.59 | humbolt | stew: -r I understand |
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| 14:39.21 | stew | oops, maybe |
| 14:39.26 | humbolt | and how to make iptables persistant after reboot? |
| 14:39.36 | sanabriamusic | hi |
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| 14:40.21 | rgsteele | So, I have a question that's half Debian and half DRBD. I have backported a copy of DRBD, and built the necessary .deb's for the module source and the utils packages. To build the kernel module, you need to use those two packages to build the module (against your current kernel). To do this, I obtained the kernel source for my kernel from kernel.org, and gave the module-assistant the... |
| 14:40.23 | rgsteele | ...--kernel-dir=/path/ to/downloaded/source. However, the build fails unless I do a "make" inside the source directory. The man page for m-a seems to indicate that I should only need to execute a "m-a prepare"...but that doesn't seem to quite cut it. Has anybody had similar problems, or know what artifacts the "make" produces that the "m-a prepare" doesn't? |
| 14:40.23 | sanabriamusic | i am trying to do a debian net install in a laptop that wont boot of a cd rom....i made 1 boot floppy and 1 ramdisk floppy |
| 14:40.34 | stew | humbolt: put the rules into a script and run the script from a "pre-up" line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:40.46 | sanabriamusic | i start with the boot and it initializes the memory test but just stays there |
| 14:41.20 | sanabriamusic | memory initialized |
| 14:41.24 | sanabriamusic | and thats all |
| 14:41.58 | stew | rgsteele: did you build your own kernel? |
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| 14:42.14 | rgsteele | Yes. |
| 14:42.31 | sanabriamusic | what am i doing wrong |
| 14:42.33 | rosen37 | please is it possible to see the difference between 2 version using apt? |
| 14:42.45 | humbolt | stew: where does sysklogd write to? |
| 14:42.49 | stew | rgsteele: then you should be using either the source directory you built it from, or a -headers.deb created by make-kpkg, not sources from kernel.org |
| 14:43.00 | stew | humbolt: wherever /etc/syslog.conf tells it to |
| 14:43.58 | dooglus | can someone help me with getting a bluetooth mouse working with debian please? |
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| 14:44.13 | tralala | rosen37, yes - download the latest version with apt and check the changelog that comes with it |
| 14:44.39 | dooglus | I try connecting using 'hidd' but see Can't get device information: Host is down |
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| 14:44.47 | sanabriamusic | can someone help me do a net install in laptop that wont boot from cd? |
| 14:44.52 | tralala | rosen37, you'll need to see man apt-get and ls /usr/share/doc/<package-name>/ |
| 14:44.56 | humbolt | stew: for messages not configured, what is the default? |
| 14:44.59 | daviey | Hi, i want to play a video as a screensaver. How could i do it? |
| 14:45.09 | humbolt | I don't know how the messages from the firewall will be tagged. |
| 14:46.40 | stew | humbolt: by default they go nowhere, afaik |
| 14:47.09 | eap | dooglus: "vi /usr/share/doc/bluez-utils/README.Debian.gz" |
| 14:47.57 | humbolt | stew: I understand. But how would I select messages from a certain outside host? |
| 14:48.04 | dooglus | eap: thanks. |
| 14:48.22 | stew | humbolt: i don't know of a way, check "man syslog.conf" |
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| 14:48.39 | eap | dooglus: hint: "/etc/default/bluetooth" and look for HIDD |
| 14:49.05 | dooglus | eap: I enabled it there already |
| 14:51.28 | rgsteele | stew: sorry, my boss came in and took over my keyboard |
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| 14:51.55 | rgsteele | stew: I copied the /boot/config-<ver> into the kernel source dir as .config |
| 14:52.22 | stew | rgsteele: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 14:52.59 | rgsteele | When I initially built the kernel for the box? Yeah |
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| 14:53.00 | stew | rgsteele: did you have it build a -headers package (this is what you really need) |
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| 14:53.07 | stew | rgsteele: or is that source directory still available? |
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| 14:53.41 | pif | hi, what is the default directory for hotplug firmware loading in etch? |
| 14:53.51 | stew | pif: /lib/firmware is the recommended one |
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| 14:54.26 | pif | if there a known bug with udev preventing firmware loading? |
| 14:54.39 | Inf3rn0 | How can I get a list of current running procceses and their pids? |
| 14:54.51 | stew | pif: i doubt it, but check the bts |
| 14:54.58 | stew | Inf3rn0: man ps |
| 14:55.10 | pif | stew: thanks |
| 14:55.17 | Inf3rn0 | Ah. I remembered P and something.. P: |
| 14:55.19 | Inf3rn0 | Thanks |
| 14:55.36 | rgsteele | stew: The source dire wasn't still available, so I downloaded the proper source from kernel.org |
| 14:55.41 | rgsteele | s/dire/dir/ |
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| 14:55.59 | rgsteele | Is that what the 'make' gets you that the 'm-a prepare' doesn't? |
| 14:56.19 | rgsteele | I thought the headers sort of came with the kernel source? |
| 14:56.26 | rgsteele | I'm not quite sure why a make is required. |
| 14:56.36 | stew | rgsteele: m-a prepare tries to install a -headers package, which i guess it coulndn't find |
| 14:56.49 | stew | rgsteele: no, headers come from compiled source, not uncompiled source |
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| 14:57.08 | rgsteele | Ooh, okay. Maybe that's the missing link in my brain. |
| 14:57.14 | rgsteele | (my sanity aside :) ) |
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| 14:57.55 | stew | rgsteele: -headers include the .config that was used to compile them and preprocessed header files |
| 14:58.31 | stew | rgsteele: in the future you should make-kpkg binary or binary-arch will creates the -headers package as well as the -image package and use that in this situation |
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| 14:59.44 | rgsteele | stew: But, if I already had a config that I plopped into the directory and renamed .config |
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| 15:00.01 | rgsteele | That wouldn't be enough because the header artifacts aren't there, correct? |
| 15:00.57 | rgsteele | stew: Yeah, But I just needed to make one module for a whole cluster of boxes running the same kernel, and I just happened to not have the source tree I built the original kernel for. |
| 15:01.03 | rgsteele | So, I was sort of stuck in this situation. |
| 15:01.09 | rgsteele | But, your advice is well taken. |
| 15:01.16 | stew | rgsteele: and the version might not be set right, depending on what you passed to make-kpkg in the --revision and --apend-to-version arguments |
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| 15:02.38 | rgsteele | The version was right...whoever compiled this custom kernel dubiously named it "2.6.17.8", which no custom append to the version string. |
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| 15:02.55 | rgsteele | (Whoever being my boss, but I'm not allowed to criticize him, he signs my checks :P ) |
| 15:03.22 | rgsteele | stew: But I really appreciate your insight. |
| 15:03.22 | rgsteele | Thanks |
| 15:03.22 | GillaGal | How can I monitor what programs are making connections? I want to see what program is making DNS requests to a specific IP. |
| 15:03.24 | littleball | hello, i am looking for virtual zone technology. who can recommend one for me on linux? |
| 15:03.40 | rgsteele | GillaGal: For that, you can just use "arp" |
| 15:03.59 | rgsteele | Also, there's a nice package called "arpwatch" |
| 15:04.07 | rgsteele | If you want more real-time monitoring |
| 15:04.08 | stew | littleball: what is "virtual zone technology" |
| 15:04.11 | littleball | I am using solaris zone for partition different application instance |
| 15:04.25 | GillaGal | can you suggest the syntax? |
| 15:04.31 | petemc | GillaGal: iptraf |
| 15:04.37 | rgsteele | GillaGal: Um, install the arpwatch package |
| 15:04.37 | stew | ? |
| 15:04.55 | rgsteele | GillaGal: But the arp command is just that... 'arp' |
| 15:05.05 | stew | what does arp know about what program is doing what? |
| 15:05.06 | rgsteele | On any given box, it'll tell you what arp requests it's seen |
| 15:05.12 | petemc | rgsteele: how would that help to see who is doing dns resquests? |
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| 15:05.33 | stew | petemc: iptraf would? |
| 15:05.37 | petemc | sure |
| 15:05.40 | stew | petemc: how? |
| 15:05.43 | rgsteele | petemc: Oh, oops. I my mind, I substituted DNS for DHCP |
| 15:05.45 | rgsteele | :) |
| 15:05.54 | petemc | stew: you can see the source and destination of ips |
| 15:05.58 | littleball | stew, i am looking for similar technology on linux |
| 15:05.59 | petemc | and port number |
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| 15:06.47 | petemc | stew: you dont agree? |
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| 15:07.56 | stew | petemc: so he wants to know which program is making a dns request on his box, so he runs iptraf, waits for the interesting dns request comes, looks for the source port number and from that tries to figure out what program used that sourceport? using netstat? or what? |
| 15:08.01 | littleball | how about openvz.org? |
| 15:08.08 | petemc | stew: oh, program - right |
| 15:08.09 | stew | or maybe i'm not understanding. or maybe i should get back to real work |
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| 15:08.36 | petemc | i read program as person, and assume person meant internal ip |
| 15:08.46 | cast | littleball: never used it. similar to vserver from what i gather |
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| 15:09.07 | neoalex | hi guys... does anyone know how to get alsa working on an arm device running debian, for usb sound only as the device does not have anything else like PCI ISA SBUS PCMCIA |
| 15:09.12 | littleball | ok. thanks |
| 15:09.13 | littleball | bye |
| 15:09.20 | stew | petemc: am i just a program to you? ;) |
| 15:09.25 | petemc | :) |
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| 15:10.47 | neoalex | it's running 2.4.26-ts11 kernel |
| 15:11.15 | cydork | stew: http://krow.livejournal.com/466437.html |
| 15:11.25 | cydork | stew: just read on /. |
| 15:11.45 | iturk | hi there i would like my openoffice (word) to do spellcheck but it doesnt do nothing !! this means that i dont have any dictionary installed ?? i already installed myspell dictionaries !! what else can i do ?? |
| 15:12.00 | abrotman | ispell? aspell ? |
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| 15:12.38 | iturk | abrotman: myspell |
| 15:12.41 | stew | cydork: good news |
| 15:12.43 | tralala | erm irrc openoffice has its own dicts |
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| 15:13.39 | iturk | tralala: i have a lot of errors in my text and it doenst correct me nothing |
| 15:13.57 | iturk | tralala: by the way i just want the english one |
| 15:14.03 | cydork | stew: yep. :) |
| 15:14.12 | CrippsFX | how would I add an apt repo from http://people.debian.org ... i.e. there is http://people.debian.org/~kov/ , and I'd like to install some packages that he has there ... |
| 15:14.23 | iturk | abrotman: i have aspell also installed |
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| 15:15.08 | stew | CrippsFX: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:15.21 | stew | CrippsFX: that isnt' a apt repo |
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| 15:15.49 | iturk | abrotman: now i am installing ispell !! |
| 15:15.54 | CrippsFX | damn. stew I'm running etch, and I want/need to install turbogears |
| 15:15.58 | stew | CrippsFX: there are no Release/Release.gz/Packages/Packages.gz/Sources files |
| 15:16.02 | CrippsFX | dang. |
| 15:16.03 | CharminTheMoose | stew:That isn't AN apt repo |
| 15:16.09 | stew | CrippsFX: download it and dpkg -i |
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| 15:16.19 | CharminTheMoose | sorry i'm a bugger for grammar |
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| 15:16.43 | CrippsFX | stew, it gives me a whole bunch of dependency errors, of dependencies that aren't in the official debian repos. |
| 15:16.58 | CrippsFX | CharminTheMoose, yeah, that's what he was telling mwe. |
| 15:17.02 | CrippsFX | *me |
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| 15:17.20 | stew | CrippsFX: are the dependencies on his site? |
| 15:17.24 | tralala | iturk, do you have myspell-en? |
| 15:17.43 | iturk | tralala: yes |
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| 15:17.55 | tralala | iturk, which one? |
| 15:18.05 | CrippsFX | stew, yep ... guess I'll have to stop being lazy and download/install it all manually :P |
| 15:18.12 | cast | is http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.html run by a dd? |
| 15:18.25 | GillaGal | Mmmm I don't see how arp can tell me which program is making the request. |
| 15:18.34 | iturk | tralala: 2.0.2 |
| 15:18.34 | cast | eh, the repo i mean, not tha faq |
| 15:18.44 | GillaGal | I want something like netstat -plunt, but in real time... |
| 15:18.48 | tralala | iturk, aptitude search ~imyspell |
| 15:19.17 | iturk | i myspell-en-gb - English_british dictionary for myspell |
| 15:19.17 | iturk | i myspell-en-us - English_american dictionary for myspell |
| 15:19.17 | iturk | i myspell-pt-br - The Brazilian Portuguese dictionary for mys |
| 15:19.21 | Inf3rn0 | make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile.inc'. Stop. |
| 15:19.23 | Inf3rn0 | Help |
| 15:19.44 | cast | GillaGal: watch netstat -plunt :) |
| 15:19.45 | stew | GillaGal: forget arp, he was confused |
| 15:19.46 | sts | Does anybody know a gpg server that doesn't use port 11371 for it's webinterface? |
| 15:19.47 | tralala | iturk, have you restarted the openoffice and configured it to do spell checking? |
| 15:20.22 | iturk | tralala: well i have restart it !! but configur it to use spell checking i dont know !! |
| 15:20.40 | GillaGal | Mmm ok.. I'll try that. |
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| 15:20.44 | abrotman | iturk: i see the problem .. you're french |
| 15:21.05 | iturk | abrotman: no portuguese |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | french! |
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| 15:22.10 | iturk | abrotman: how can i configure openoffice to use spellcheck ?? |
| 15:22.19 | tralala | iturk, check out the openoffice help how to use spell checking - if it's still not working then probably you've run across a testing/unstable bug |
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| 15:22.28 | abrotman | iturk: might want to ask #debian-oo |
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| 15:22.32 | stew | GillaGal: if you are willing to write some C you could write a ld.preload wrapper for gethostbyname that logs pid perhaps |
| 15:22.41 | teledyn | so after fetching all my mail this morning, i'm taking it that spam filtering is for all intents and purposes completely useless now. it was nice to have for the past few years. |
| 15:23.08 | GillaGal | too advanced |
| 15:23.26 | CharminTheMoose | how do i compile a kernel the debian way again? |
| 15:23.31 | iturk | abrotman: look but i am writing in english the french or portuguese that you were saying doesnt mean nothing to me now |
| 15:24.01 | teledyn | CharminTheMoose: with make-kpkg |
| 15:24.04 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
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| 15:26.11 | iturk | abrotman: i am also installing help for openoffice seems that comes very minimal when we first install it !! |
| 15:28.11 | abrotman | iturk: i still think you're french :) |
| 15:28.22 | abrotman | iturk: i'd ask #debian-oo .. might be on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:28.25 | iturk | abrotman: you are crazy |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | iturk: no argument there :) |
| 15:29.03 | iturk | abrotman: if they are french in debian-oo i cannot speak it |
| 15:29.06 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 15:29.09 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:29.16 | abrotman | iturk: i think they can communicate in english |
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| 15:29.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: hi |
| 15:29.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: what do you do on christmas? bake stuff? |
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| 15:30.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: eat chinese ? |
| 15:30.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm going to denver this year .. with any luck my brother will have scheduled some horseback riding or something for xmas day |
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| 15:32.06 | iturk | abrotman: there is no one there |
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| 15:32.39 | abrotman | iturk: on OFTC ? |
| 15:33.55 | yassinework | any idea how i could find out if my board supports wol ? |
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| 15:34.24 | moshii | I'm trying to get a nis master server setup, when I setup the securenets to restrict access ypbind hangs on restarting nis :/ |
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| 15:35.17 | iturk | abrotman: well doenst matter i find i way using openoffice help its activated now !! its strange i have to change the local settings and it was portuguese and they dont have portuguese dictionary instead they have brasilian now i have switch it to engish so it does spellcheck in english now !! |
| 15:35.35 | abrotman | iturk: they speak portuguese in brasil |
| 15:35.47 | iturk | abrotman: yes |
| 15:35.56 | iturk | abrotman: but a bit different |
| 15:36.38 | abrotman | Is that like Canadian ? |
| 15:36.56 | iturk | abrotman: they have different pronunciation and they use some words that we dont use but we also know them. its like we can share the dictionary but we use it in different ways !! |
| 15:37.16 | iturk | abrotman: yes |
| 15:37.41 | spanglesontoast | mysql still supported ? |
| 15:37.44 | rahul | it's a lot like canadian, eh |
| 15:38.34 | sphenxes | i would like to write a simple script. su password, then shutdown. my problem is : su works fine but i can't give the password with read command, because it directly asked from the bash prompt, then my script is stopped. How can i write a simple script that I can enter password to bash and don't interrupt my script |
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| 15:39.02 | moshii | sphenxes: use suid on the script |
| 15:39.03 | stew | sphenxes: setup sudo, then just "sudo shutdown" |
| 15:39.19 | CharminTheMoose | could someone give me a simple make-kpkg command to make a .deb of the bzimage+initrd of the kernel sources? |
| 15:40.00 | abrotman | spanglesontoast: here to troll ? |
| 15:40.09 | abrotman | !tell CharminTheMoose about kp mantra |
| 15:40.20 | sphenxes | thanks |
| 15:40.20 | spanglesontoast | no just trying to straight things out |
| 15:40.33 | stew | CharminTheMoose: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/ |
| 15:40.37 | spanglesontoast | dw a nice bloke from mysql told me :) |
| 15:40.43 | enouf | yassinework: dmidecode .. or perhaps ethtool also |
| 15:41.08 | yassinework | enouf, ethtool told me this : Supports Wake-on: g |
| 15:41.08 | yassinework | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:41.51 | yassinework | enouf, any idea what that means ? |
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| 15:43.12 | enouf | yassinework: not really .. mine says Supports Wake-on: pumbags -- and I know the mobo does and card does .. did you give ethtool an interface? 'ethtool eth0'? |
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| 15:43.49 | enouf | yassinework: hehe .. also says Wake-on: ubg |
| 15:43.51 | codingheaven | hey |
| 15:43.53 | yassinework | enouf, yes i did |
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| 15:45.33 | codingheaven | someone can help on a lvs issue ? |
| 15:45.48 | yassinework | enouf, i found out what the g mean : WakeOnLan support is available and active |
| 15:45.57 | Drizzt321 | I'm trying to install libqt3-dev on testing, and for some reason there is no testing version of that package, but the deps it has has testing targets. any help? |
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| 15:46.53 | codingheaven | Drizzt321, apt-cache search libqt3 |
| 15:47.06 | enouf | yassinework: must be forms of it .. apt-get install dmidecode .. then try dmidecode | grep -i WOL mine shows the mobo jumper/connector number .. "Internal Reference Designator: J2C1 WOL, Wake on LAN" ..ok cool yassinework |
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| 15:48.17 | Drizzt321 | codingheaven: interesting. there is no libqt3, but there is libqt3-mt that I have installed |
| 15:48.34 | Drizzt321 | codingheaven: let me try that -dev package |
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| 15:49.07 | codingheaven | Drizzt321, if dev was there it would appear |
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| 15:49.31 | codingheaven | Drizzt321, there is something wrong with your repos |
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| 15:49.50 | codingheaven | Drizzt321, try apt-get update |
| 15:49.54 | Drizzt321 | codingheaven: I _do_ have a libqt3-dev, the problem is for some reason there is no testing version of it, it is specifically labeled at sarge |
| 15:50.00 | Drizzt321 | codingheaven: and yes, I have the latest package lists |
| 15:50.09 | codingheaven | hm |
| 15:50.12 | cj | anyone got an ISO of the etch release I can start seeding? |
| 15:50.28 | Drizzt321 | codingheaven: weird. but, now xconfig is working with the libqt3-mt-dev package |
| 15:50.30 | stew | Drizzt321: there is libqt3-mt-dev |
| 15:50.43 | Eulex | cj, eh? etch isn't released. |
| 15:50.46 | codingheaven | Drizzt321, lol..there you go |
| 15:51.00 | Ronin | etch has been released? since when |
| 15:51.00 | cj | Eulex: s/release/release candidate/ then |
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| 15:51.06 | Ronin | ahh |
| 15:51.12 | Eulex | cj, of the etch installer; yes. |
| 15:51.19 | stew | Drizzt321: and if you run "apt-cache show linux-source-$version" you'll see libqt3-mt-dev in the Suggests: |
| 15:51.22 | cj | Eulex: great. url? |
| 15:51.40 | Eulex | cj, should be in the topic. |
| 15:51.43 | cj | Eulex: danke |
| 15:51.44 | stew | cj: /msg dpkg di |
| 15:51.57 | tarzeau | has someone got scanned text images? |
| 15:53.25 | codingheaven | someone could help me..please?? =) |
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| 15:53.55 | stew | codingheaven: not until you ask a question |
| 15:54.05 | codingheaven | on LVS: direct routing..is working but not with internet clients |
| 15:54.19 | codingheaven | i dont know why |
| 15:54.50 | stew | codingheaven: be more specific. what do you know? what have you tried? |
| 15:55.37 | naitram | anyone suggest a good notes application other than knotes, would like one that will allow classification of notes into categories for easy orginization, also print, email etc |
| 15:55.51 | codingheaven | stew, what i know??? |
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| 15:56.02 | stew | codingheaven: we need more details |
| 15:56.17 | stew | codingheaven: what have you done to debug this so far |
| 15:56.52 | naitram | anyone know if goats is any good |
| 15:57.43 | codingheaven | stew, i know that the thing is working on private lan..but if i put the internet ip..the router is suppose to redirect to VIP address ..but the request response never appens |
| 15:57.45 | unit3 | I'm trying to build a xen-686 kernel from the 2.6.18 packages in testing, but I can't figure out how to get it to build a PAE enabled one (as my dom0 is running PAE enabled). |
| 15:57.57 | unit3 | Can anyone point out what I'm missing? |
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| 15:58.18 | rgsteele | !ask unit3 |
| 15:58.35 | rgsteele | unit3: It would be helpful to know what you've tried, and what you're seeing. |
| 15:58.41 | nunu | hi, I have a very anoying problem with my pc. It's pretty new, but since yesterday it's very slow when I'm starting a programm. if the programm is running, there is no reduce in speed, but even a small dialog is very slow ... |
| 15:58.43 | unit3 | Right, just getting to that. |
| 15:58.57 | rgsteele | :) |
| 15:58.58 | stew | codingheaven: does the ldirector get the request and just not the virtual servers? or does the director never get the request? |
| 15:59.06 | unit3 | rgsteele: I built it using the "make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch-i386-xen-686" in the kernel source tree from the debian kernel guide. |
| 15:59.12 | unit3 | Which gives me a nice non-PAE kernel. |
| 15:59.22 | nunu | the only thing I could imagine as a reason would be that my grafic card is having difficultys with my twin view |
| 15:59.25 | unit3 | I'm wondering how I tell it to make a PAE kernel the "Debian Way". :) |
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| 15:59.48 | rgsteele | Eh, I'm not sure about PAE, but the Debian way of building a kernel is to use make-kpkg and build a deb out of it |
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| 15:59.59 | codingheaven | stew, i m using only linux virtual server loadbalancing..for now |
| 16:00.17 | HyperDevil | is there a project somewhere with a usb key with the debian os on it? aka Debian Live on a USB Key |
| 16:00.19 | HyperDevil | ? |
| 16:00.22 | unit3 | rgsteele: that make thing does call make-kpkg and generates a deb, just for a single architecture only, since I didn't want to be building all week. ;) |
| 16:00.23 | stew | codingheaven: if you are talking about direct routing, then there must be a director node and multiple real servers, right? |
| 16:00.56 | codingheaven | stew, ya |
| 16:01.00 | cj | HyperDevil: good idea. please implement |
| 16:01.03 | codingheaven | stew, but not using ldirector |
| 16:01.13 | codingheaven | stew, only ipvsadm |
| 16:01.17 | stew | codingheaven: your topology looks somewhat like this, right: http://www.ultramonkey.org/3/topologies/lb-eg.html |
| 16:01.23 | HyperDevil | cj: i know debian, but not enought to make that work l0l! |
| 16:01.28 | stew | codingheaven: sorry, i shouldn't have said ldirector, just director |
| 16:01.45 | cj | HyperDevil: so learn. is it worth implementing? |
| 16:01.46 | stew | codingheaven: so do you know if packets get to the director? or do they stop at the router? |
| 16:02.20 | stew | codingheaven: or does your topology look like this: http://www.ultramonkey.org/3/topologies/sl-ha-lb-eg.html ? |
| 16:02.26 | codingheaven | stew, can we talk in private? |
| 16:02.32 | HyperDevil | cj: i want it, but i cant find anything... Etch will have a live-usb image.. but not sarge :( |
| 16:02.39 | stew | codingheaven: its best to keep it here, or ask in #linux-ha |
| 16:02.45 | codingheaven | stew, to not flood the channel |
| 16:03.02 | stew | !paste |
| 16:03.03 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:03.32 | HyperDevil | !list |
| 16:03.33 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to hyperdevil |
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| 16:04.43 | unit3 | well, maybe I'll go ask the Xen guys, they might know what's going on... |
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| 16:04.48 | rgsteele | unit3: I'm not very familiar with Xen, sorry |
| 16:05.20 | rgsteele | unit3: this might help you out a little bit: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-xen-devel/2006-June/000549.html |
| 16:05.24 | codingheaven | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4804 |
| 16:06.17 | codingheaven | stew, as i said ..this is working..but only from lan clients |
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| 16:09.06 | cj | how do I get the chevron favico from here? |
| 16:09.16 | cj | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ |
| 16:09.33 | stew | codingheaven: does the .1.1 machine see the incoming traffic? or is it being stopped at the router before .1.1 sees it? |
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| 16:09.54 | GillaGal | still no luck using watch netstat -plunt |
| 16:10.45 | cast | why is that? |
| 16:10.45 | cast | doesn't work? |
| 16:10.45 | jonek | hi, how is a pin provided in debian unstable when pairing with a bluetooth device |
| 16:10.46 | cj | GillaGal: what are you watching for? |
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| 16:11.11 | cj | jonek: have you run apt-cache search bluetooth? |
| 16:11.14 | GillaGal | cj trying to monitor dns requests to a specific IP |
| 16:11.24 | stew | GillaGal: writing a ld.preload might be easier than you think, have a look at the source for snoopy (apt-get source snoopy) which is a execve preload, if you modified this to preload gethostbyname you might find out what you are looking for |
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| 16:11.45 | jonek | cj: yes i can scan for the device with hcitool and find it |
| 16:11.53 | cj | GillaGal: do you have an X iterface? |
| 16:12.03 | cj | GillaGal: interface |
| 16:12.12 | cj | jonek: do you have an X interface? :) |
| 16:12.18 | jonek | cj: but when I try to access it, I am allways rejected and there is never asked for a pin |
| 16:12.26 | GillaGal | cj nope... no GUI's |
| 16:12.44 | jonek | cj: yes i run gnome but do the bluetooth stuff in a xterm |
| 16:12.46 | cj | GillaGal: try tcpdump |
| 16:12.56 | cj | GillaGal: or tethereal |
| 16:12.59 | codingheaven | stew, seems not appearing ..but ip shoul be resolved by the NAT of the router..i suppose..but..something wrong |
| 16:13.01 | stew | cj: how would he get a pid from tcpdump? |
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| 16:13.15 | stew | codingheaven: so its a routing problem, not a LVS problem, right? |
| 16:13.18 | cj | jonek: check on #gnome/irc.gnome.org for some help with that. |
| 16:13.27 | cj | jonek: I don't have a bluetooth device anymore so I'm a little rusty |
| 16:13.51 | codingheaven | stew, no no..all machines use NAT through the router |
| 16:13.58 | jonek | cj: I would like to know how to enter a pin without any x client |
| 16:14.23 | codingheaven | stew, this only appens using VIP address |
| 16:14.27 | cj | gillagal: I thought you wanted to search network traffic for a certain IP address... |
| 16:14.44 | stew | cj: no, he wants to know which pid is making a certain dns request |
| 16:14.46 | cj | jonek: well, you may be able to find out how to do that if you take some time and learn how to do it /with/ an X client |
| 16:14.46 | rahul | holy shit. space storm |
| 16:14.46 | eap | jonek: /etc/bluetooth/pin |
| 16:14.55 | cj | jonek: and then you can come back and tell us :) |
| 16:15.20 | cj | stew: ah. well, you can get the port information with tcpdump and you can get the pid <-> port mapping with netstat -i |
| 16:15.20 | stew | codingheaven: can you tcpdump on the director to see if the traffic ever arrives on the VIP? |
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| 16:15.23 | jonek | cj: on websites I read about a pin-provider but debian doesn't seem to know this concept |
| 16:15.27 | cj | make that netstat -pi |
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| 16:15.36 | stew | cj: yeah, this is exactly what he said isn't working |
| 16:15.44 | codingheaven | stew, ya i just did that |
| 16:15.53 | stew | codingheaven: and it does arrive or it doesn't arrive |
| 16:15.53 | codingheaven | stew, it never appear |
| 16:16.01 | GillaGal | cj I need something like netstat -plunt with history. |
| 16:16.06 | stew | codingheaven: then it is a routing problem, it has nothing to do with LVS |
| 16:16.09 | cj | GillaGal: dump the tcpdump output to http://rafb.net/paste |
| 16:16.16 | jonek | eap: in that file there is the standard pin "1234" but I think it s only used for incoming connections but I need a pin when I try to pair with a remote BT device |
| 16:16.20 | stew | cj: what good would it do? |
| 16:16.40 | codingheaven | stew, no ..it only does that when using the virtual service |
| 16:16.43 | cj | stew: maybe GillaGal doesn't know something that the larget group knows. |
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| 16:17.14 | cj | stew: more data means more data to analyse |
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| 16:18.17 | eap | jonek: /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
| 16:18.37 | stew | cj: ok, so lets say that i see that a packet is leaving from the local port 1025 and making a dns request and i want to find out what pid is making the request, what do you suggest i would do? |
| 16:18.38 | eap | jonek: look for passkey |
| 16:18.50 | jonek | eap: it is set to user |
| 16:18.58 | rahul | wow. big space storms are hitting us |
| 16:19.05 | stew | codingheaven: if the packet never arrives on the director, you cannot blame the director for not routing it |
| 16:19.19 | rahul | higher probability for severe storms than minor storms |
| 16:19.20 | cj | stew: well, you'll need to synchronise the netstat query with the program making that query |
| 16:19.24 | GillaGal | my machine is making a request every 5 mins, just wanted to know what it is... |
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| 16:19.32 | cj | stew: so if the query happens on a regular basis (does it?), you can do that |
| 16:19.33 | rahul | be ready for exploding transformers :) |
| 16:19.33 | eap | jonek: there is an option passkey |
| 16:19.36 | stew | cj: ok, what arguments would i type to netstat? |
| 16:19.36 | impic | hi |
| 16:19.51 | jonek | eap: sorry - passkey is set to "1234" but the comment says it is only for incoming connections |
| 16:20.18 | eap | jonek: oh damn, sorry, my mistake not reading... |
| 16:20.24 | jonek | eap: I need a way to provide the pin for an outgoing connection |
| 16:20.31 | jonek | eap: np |
| 16:20.49 | E-bola | Can anybody tell me how i can run apache2 on my debian etch instaid of 2.2 since 2.2 misses the ssl cert config tool |
| 16:20.50 | eap | jonek: i currently use bluetooth, wait let me find the file.. |
| 16:21.00 | jonek | eap: thx |
| 16:21.07 | stew | cj: right now i'm running "host google.com" once a second in a loop |
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| 16:22.52 | eap | jonek: /etc/bluetooth/default/passkeys ... (i think pin is now deprecated) |
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| 16:24.08 | impic | ok guys, i know you are busy, but maybe you have an idea for me... i just tried to use a ramdisk but after i successfully mkfs'ed, dmesg keeps telling me something about a "magic missmatch, very weid" :) |
| 16:24.27 | impic | and i can't mount it - wrong filesystem and so on |
| 16:24.31 | impic | of course |
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| 16:24.39 | impic | :/ |
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| 16:25.17 | jonek | eap: I don't hav the dir /etc/bluetooth/default/. |
| 16:25.26 | jonek | eap: using unstable |
| 16:26.48 | eap | then check /var/lib/bluetooth/<deviceid>/pincodes |
| 16:27.11 | eap | docs in: /usr/share/doc/blues-utils/README.Debian.gz |
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| 16:29.23 | utab | I have a pdf file which is indexed through some pdx files. I have never used this feature of acrobat. When I open a pdf document it gives me an error on that the reuired plugins for pdx files are not found, Have you done sth like this before |
| 16:30.26 | Supaplex | are you opening it in acrobat, or something else? |
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| 16:32.19 | utab | Supaplex, what I do is "acroread document.pdf" |
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| 16:32.32 | peterrus | hmm |
| 16:32.33 | peterrus | trouble |
| 16:32.36 | utab | Supaplex, and then I get these error messages |
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| 16:33.29 | peterrus | i have the latest debian etch, at least, quite current and i installed it on my desktop, no problems, then i installed it a week or two later on my server, and now when i do apt-get update i get some error about an unknown error while executing gpgv |
| 16:34.37 | Supaplex | utab: try something else, or research on the adobe website |
| 16:34.42 | E-bola | Can anybody explain how you get apache2.2 working with https/ssl on debian etch? |
| 16:34.48 | E-bola | since the ssl cert script was removed |
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| 16:35.40 | utab | Supaplex, I have searched the web site |
| 16:35.52 | peterrus | i can install the packages, but they can not be validated |
| 16:35.56 | peterrus | whats wrong? |
| 16:35.57 | Ronin | peterrus: /topic |
| 16:36.21 | peterrus | yeah, i searched that, but what is to look for, i mean, it doesnt say me anything |
| 16:36.27 | peterrus | about the public key? |
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| 16:37.08 | Ronin | lets start with the exact message you get |
| 16:37.32 | peterrus | i will try that key first. then i will dump that stuff |
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| 16:37.57 | stew | peterrus: /msg dpkg etch key ; then apt-get update |
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| 16:39.10 | peterrus | okidee stew |
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| 16:40.23 | edimilson | hello, I am an industrial engineer and I am a volunteer in a school and i rescued a old PC with sarge, everything is fine, but I can get the xmms play mp3, can you help me please |
| 16:40.46 | peterrus | lol it looks like some kind of date problem stew |
| 16:40.48 | amphi | edimilson: does sound work at all? |
| 16:40.53 | peterrus | indeed |
| 16:41.02 | jonek | eap: /usr/share/doc/blues-utils/README.Debian.gz states to use bluez-passkey-gnome, but apparently that is outdated as bluez-passkey-gnome was renamed/merged to bluez-gnome |
| 16:41.18 | stew | peterrus: show us the exact error message |
| 16:41.34 | edimilson | amphi: I am not sure, how can I see that |
| 16:41.40 | peterrus | please wait, i gotta try the date stuff, as my clock is set to 1999 |
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| 16:41.49 | E-bola | Anybody? |
| 16:41.51 | peterrus | i think that causes the trouble |
| 16:41.52 | Ronin | heh part of the probem i bet peterrus |
| 16:42.10 | peterrus | key is signed <alotofseconds> in the future :p |
| 16:42.30 | amphi | edimilson: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio |
| 16:42.39 | amphi | edimilson: turn the volume down ;) |
| 16:42.46 | eap | jonek: yes, but there is a line on /var/lib/bluetooth/<dev>/pincodes, /tech |
| 16:43.12 | jareth_ | edimilson: as root do: apt-get install mpg123 |
| 16:43.25 | eap | jonek: regarding.. command line usuage |
| 16:43.29 | utab | I am experiencing problems with my acroread, I guess I am missing some plugins, I have some indexed files(.pdx) and normal files .pdf.But when I try to open a pdf file I get and error message with the related PDX file. I have never used these two together so has anyone experienced with these before |
| 16:43.45 | peterrus | -what about another reader? |
| 16:43.47 | amphi | edimilson: you could also do 'groups' and make sure your user is in the audio group |
| 16:43.47 | jonek | eap: yes, it says: do not touch - is NOT supported ;-) doesn't it? |
| 16:44.01 | eap | jonek: not really supported, but ive used it.. |
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| 16:44.05 | edimilson | amphi ok I am installing mpg123 |
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| 16:44.28 | utab | peterrus: I could not understand what you meant\ |
| 16:44.30 | jareth_ | edimilson: tell me if it worls plz :) |
| 16:44.31 | peterrus | rebooting server |
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| 16:44.35 | amphi | edimilson: it was not me that suggested that |
| 16:44.42 | peterrus | utab, what about another pdf reader? |
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| 16:44.50 | eap | jonek: in case it gives trouble, what i do is delete the dir <devid> and all below...inside /var/lib/bluetooth |
| 16:45.03 | utab | peterrus, a different version you mean |
| 16:45.19 | jonek | eap: :-) brute force |
| 16:45.19 | eap | jonek: the other way, ive read - you will have to check google, is to echo the pin id to the device |
| 16:45.26 | eap | jonek: YEAH |
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| 16:46.00 | eap | jonek: search for using minicom + bluetooth, echo the id to the device is listed somewhere, cant remember where |
| 16:46.33 | utab | peterrus, 7.0.8 is the last version I gues |
| 16:46.48 | peterrus | another program i mean |
| 16:47.02 | peterrus | xpdf is one, but that was just a bad example |
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| 16:47.11 | edimilson | amphi: I am installing kmix, you know, the Pc must have as few as possible packages , is an old one |
| 16:47.28 | peterrus | stew, fixed it, Ronin thanks to you too, though it didnt help :p |
| 16:47.59 | amphi | edimilson: you don't have alsamixer or aumix installed already? did you do either of the things I suggested? |
| 16:48.18 | Ronin | would have if id known you were so far in the past ;p |
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| 16:49.27 | edimilson | amphi: yes it sounds when I used the random |
| 16:49.28 | utab | peterrus, yes xpdf opens it but only shows the index page none of the links can be viewed from the index page |
| 16:49.36 | utab | peterrus, the only difference it does not give any error messages |
| 16:49.43 | peterrus | i see |
| 16:49.52 | peterrus | well i know nothing of acroread , sorry |
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| 16:50.12 | igor_ | hi.. there is any way to use install to copy a direcoty structrue to a destionation? I have tried: install -vdD fakeroot/boot fakeroot/etc fakeroot/usr /tmp/ but didn't copy anything. |
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| 16:50.43 | edimilson | amphi: but I install yes as few packages as possible and I didnt install alsamixer,you want me to do that |
| 16:51.57 | amphi | edimilson: up to you what mixer you want to use; if sound is working, then the problem is with xmms, which I don't use, so I can't help with that |
| 16:52.43 | edimilson | amphi: thanks a lot anywyas |
| 16:52.58 | edimilson | amphi: do you know a debian channel in portuguese |
| 16:53.28 | Ronin | !br |
| 16:53.28 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:53.36 | darkvirus | debian-br |
| 16:53.44 | cusco | portugguese is not the same as brasilian |
| 16:53.53 | cusco | !pt |
| 16:53.53 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:53.54 | darkvirus | !br |
| 16:53.54 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:54.06 | nvz | edimilson: do you get an error? |
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| 16:55.11 | nvz | edimilson: make sure you are using the ALSA output plugin, and.or modprobe snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss |
| 16:55.18 | enouf | utab: after listing the marrillat repos to obtain acroread .. my apt-cache search acroread shows 4 pkgs available .. 3 are plugin/javashit related which I don't use .. |
| 16:55.45 | enouf | !customer |
| 16:55.45 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 16:57.42 | edimilson | nvz yes, I can hear nothing |
| 16:57.50 | edimilson | nvz in xmms |
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| 16:58.36 | amphi | edimilson: I just use mplayer for everything, and it works ;) |
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| 16:59.40 | MatBoy | is it possible to read out a finger-print that a machine will give to a connecting client for SSH ? |
| 16:59.46 | edimilson | amphi: do you have the deb, 'cos is not in my sources |
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| 17:00.36 | amphi | !tell edimilson about debian-multimedia |
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| 17:01.03 | amphi | edimilson: you're running sarge? |
| 17:01.08 | edimilson | amphi: yes |
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| 17:01.20 | edimilson | amphi: yes sarge in an old pc |
| 17:01.27 | amphi | !tell edimilson about marillat.sarge |
| 17:01.49 | Drizzt321 | how would I go about manually telling my hardware to have the LCD on my laptop turn off (aka blank and turn off the backlight) |
| 17:01.55 | amphi | edimilson: or just get mpg123 if you only want to play mp3 files |
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| 17:02.31 | edimilson | amphi: this is my audio card http://paste.debian.net/18392 |
| 17:02.44 | amphi | Drizzt321: depends on the card - I use radeontool here |
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| 17:03.16 | edimilson | amphi: I already install mpg123, it's that a player |
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| 17:03.31 | Drizzt321 | amphi: hrm. well, I'm talking basically about the way xscreensaver does it...except instead of having a timeout, have it done in a script |
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| 17:03.50 | amphi | edimilson: does it work? |
| 17:04.51 | edimilson | amphi: whats the command |
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| 17:05.42 | jareth_ | edimilson: mpg123 file.mp3 |
| 17:06.16 | edimilson | amphi: ok one second |
| 17:07.59 | edimilson | amphi: doens't workk :( |
| 17:08.20 | amphi | !doesn't work |
| 17:08.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 17:09.09 | edimilson | Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 17:09.13 | edimilson | amphi: i got this : "Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?)" |
| 17:09.45 | naitram | how do you create a launcher with an icon for a program that doesnt have one, where would a launcher be located if one was created during package install |
| 17:09.45 | naitram | gnome desktop |
| 17:09.51 | Drizzt321 | amphi: ah, I found it. xset dpms force off or other similar options |
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| 17:11.33 | amphi | Drizzt321: ah, of course, xset |
| 17:12.04 | amphi | edimilson: is the device in use? are you running some sound daemon? |
| 17:12.24 | edimilson | amphi: not at all |
| 17:13.12 | domul | hi ! could somebody tell me a way to check dependency-problems ?? i tried to install software and get upon compilation some error messages from python - the second time in a row. It appears that my python has dependency-issues... How can I find out what it's missing ? |
| 17:13.39 | poseidon | why noone will register r.us? you could be lamers.r.us |
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| 17:14.28 | naitram | found it |
| 17:14.33 | Drizzt321 | amphi: is there a way to get a value that xset has set? |
| 17:14.49 | Drizzt321 | amphi: I'm not all that familiar with the various lower level X tools |
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| 17:14.58 | amphi | edimilson: did you modprobe snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 17:15.04 | abrotman | Drizzt321: xset -q ? something like that |
| 17:15.24 | Drizzt321 | abrotman: hmm...nifty. let me check on that in the manpage |
| 17:15.26 | edimilson | amphi: don't get you |
| 17:16.18 | amphi | edimilson: as root, do 'modprobe snd_pcm_oss' and try again - jareth_ suggested that to you some time back |
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| 17:16.24 | Codester | hi guys, is there a way to change irq for certain devices ? say for instance cat /proc/interupt is showing me this 16: 299062 0 IO-APIC-fasteoi libata, uhci_hcd:usb4, eth0 |
| 17:16.44 | Drizzt321 | abrotman: ah, its just q, not -q. and now I'll have to parse through it for a script |
| 17:16.46 | Drizzt321 | how annoying |
| 17:16.51 | edimilson | amphi: I get this "modprobe: Can't locate module snd_pcm_oss" |
| 17:17.07 | amphi | great |
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| 17:18.22 | abrotman | Drizzt321: i was close!!!!! |
| 17:18.30 | Drizzt321 | abrotman: yup, very close, thank you. |
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| 17:20.12 | edimilson | amphi: do you think that is a good idea if I reboot, maybe something is using the sound card |
| 17:20.20 | jfletcher | i'm getting the "NO PUBLIC KEY" error, but I ran the line that dpkg gives, it says "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key 2006" not changed. so I try to do apt-get update again, but I get the same pubkey error |
| 17:20.27 | jfletcher | I also tried the etch key |
| 17:20.53 | stew | jfletcher: what is the key it is complaining about? |
| 17:21.21 | jfletcher | 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 17:21.28 | jfletcher | debian multimedia |
| 17:21.33 | stew | jfletcher: /msg dpkg marillat key |
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| 17:23.24 | jfletcher | stew: cheers pal. |
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| 17:39.07 | cast | reminds me. /me installs tzwatch |
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| 17:40.00 | me_here | t'was a 10% schub schub ya no |
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| 17:44.52 | edimilson | Hi everbody, I can see the song running but doensn't have any sound, I have a sarge, even though I installed kmix and other mixers they are ampty. what can I do |
| 17:45.07 | rahul | empty? |
| 17:45.23 | rahul | wuzzat mean? |
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| 17:46.12 | rahul | did you load the driver for your sound card? |
| 17:46.38 | edimilson | rahul you mean with alsaconf? |
| 17:46.53 | edimilson | rahul i did but doesn't detect anything |
| 17:46.54 | stew | edimilson: try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and restart your sound app |
| 17:46.56 | rahul | alsaconf? |
| 17:47.00 | stew | oh |
| 17:47.04 | rahul | edimilson: what sound card do you have? |
| 17:47.14 | stew | edimilson: nm about snd-pcm-oss then, what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:48.27 | edimilson | stew when i do that i get modprobe: Can't locate module snd-pcm-oss" |
| 17:48.42 | stew | edimilson: and uname -r says something like "2.4.27-2-386"? |
| 17:50.13 | edimilson | stew this 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 17:50.15 | stew | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 17:50.15 | dpkg | from memory, 2.4 alsa one-liner is to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 17:50.30 | stew | edimilson: you need the alsa-modules-$(uname -r) package |
| 17:51.05 | edimilson | stew how to install it , just apt-get install alsa-modules-$?? |
| 17:51.24 | stew | edimilson: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 17:51.32 | edimilson | rahul what's teh command to see my sound car |
| 17:51.47 | rahul | edimilson: erm... a screwdriver |
| 17:51.57 | rahul | edimilson: what did you buy? |
| 17:52.04 | rahul | look at the box... |
| 17:52.35 | stew | edimilson: "lspci | grep Audio" or "lspci -n | grep "040.:" |
| 17:52.39 | edimilson | rahul this is an old PC that I am rescuing for a elementary school |
| 17:52.50 | amphi | maybe isa... |
| 17:53.04 | rahul | the first thing you do is take a look under the hood |
| 17:53.07 | stew | edimilson: alsaconf will likely find it after you have installed the alsa-modules-foo package |
| 17:53.10 | rahul | same as when buying a used car |
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| 17:55.24 | edimilson | rahul yeah something like that, but here in Peru that's something |
| 17:56.05 | rahul | at least you should look at it to know what you have |
| 17:56.49 | edimilson | rahul you are rigth friend |
| 17:56.57 | rahul | heh, my work computer has 26 entries in lspci |
| 17:57.05 | emss | how do you compile a kernel properly for debian? there is kernel-package which I installed and am now reading /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz but have also noticed in 2.6.19 that was patched with -beyond there is a make deb-pkg option |
| 17:57.53 | rahul | wow. 5 different pci busses |
| 17:58.13 | rahul | oh, no, there's some gaps there... only 4 :P |
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| 17:58.53 | edimilson | stew, you are a genius , thanks a lot |
| 17:59.01 | edimilson | stew muito obrigado |
| 18:00.15 | trajanux | emss, apt-get install kernel-sourceyouwant go in /us/src, extract it, makemenuconfig, after choosing options make-kpkg -rev custom.1 kernel_image go in /usr/src and dpkg--install thenewkernelimage |
| 18:00.26 | Triona | are there any tutorials for "compartment" ? |
| 18:00.40 | stew | rahul: yeah, i'm working on one here with 37 |
| 18:00.59 | rahul | stew: crazy. 8 procs? 16? |
| 18:01.02 | stew | rahul: 2 |
| 18:01.12 | rahul | oh pci devs |
| 18:01.15 | stew | yeah |
| 18:01.18 | stew | not busses :) |
| 18:01.22 | rahul | heh, right :) |
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| 18:05.19 | emss | trajanux thanks, any idea why there is a make deb,tgz,rpm-pkg if they do not produce proper packages for distributions? |
| 18:06.27 | trajanux | emss choose .deb or tgz for your debian |
| 18:07.12 | trajanux | .deb is auto |
| 18:07.16 | me_here | immer muss ich die kinder bei hand nehmen |
| 18:07.26 | me_here | grrr |
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| 18:07.43 | piper69 | good morning all |
| 18:07.58 | me_here | nighty |
| 18:08.23 | amphi | me_here: heh |
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| 18:08.39 | me_here | amphi: it's written err? |
| 18:08.50 | me_here | !en |
| 18:08.50 | dpkg | english |
| 18:08.53 | me_here | nah |
| 18:08.56 | me_here | good lord |
| 18:08.58 | amphi | me_here: huh? |
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| 18:09.03 | rahul | hmm |
| 18:09.09 | rahul | I don't get it. |
| 18:09.13 | me_here | that was exhaustive description of that language |
| 18:09.21 | me_here | lol |
| 18:09.22 | rahul | !english |
| 18:09.22 | dpkg | it has been said that english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 18:09.44 | me_here | lol |
| 18:09.46 | me_here | better |
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| 18:10.22 | me_here | mobo shakers do you read ? |
| 18:10.25 | me_here | lol |
| 18:11.20 | piper69 | me_here: what time do you have now at your end? |
| 18:11.44 | me_here | it's 19 pm |
| 18:11.50 | me_here | ups |
| 18:11.52 | me_here | 7 |
| 18:12.09 | me_here | piper69: why do you ask ? |
| 18:12.22 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am using a cable that connect's serial port A to usb port of system B to get serial console going. which usb module would i need in system B for the serial console to work ? |
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| 18:12.51 | piper69 | me_here: first of all there is nothing called 19 pm , either 7pm or just 19 |
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| 18:13.20 | me_here | piper69: correct, and now read :) please |
| 18:13.48 | me_here | piper69: it's corrected long before you send me that message :) |
| 18:14.03 | me_here | piper69: and that's en extra smiley for you :) |
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| 18:14.11 | Mooi | is there a way to simply list all the commands that have been executed in a shell session? |
| 18:14.15 | piper69 | me_here: so when i say good morning to everyone in this room , ignorant like you should be quite |
| 18:14.40 | me_here | piper69: that makes no sense if i'm gonna be ignorant :) |
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| 18:15.54 | piper69 | me_here: unless you right a script and see when ever i login , that script will send me you current time so i can tell you either good morning or nighty |
| 18:15.59 | piper69 | :) |
| 18:16.31 | me_here | hrmm as you like it, i won't mind you bugging me :) |
| 18:16.40 | piper69 | lol |
| 18:16.43 | me_here | lol |
| 18:16.58 | humbolt | how can I grep the first word of each line in a file? |
| 18:17.23 | piper69 | humbolt: i am sure you will use the grep command |
| 18:17.25 | emss | ^word |
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| 18:17.59 | ugly | so debian doesn't have any sort of "multilib" support in which you can run 32-bit apps outside of a chroot on a 64-bit system, right? |
| 18:18.04 | humbolt | piper69: no, there is some command line editor I used to use for that. forgot the name. |
| 18:18.35 | emss | humbolt awk? |
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| 18:18.44 | piper69 | humbolt: pico you mean |
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| 18:19.51 | humbolt | awk '{print $1}' filename I mean. Is there a simpler way to write that? |
| 18:20.03 | petemc | that isnt simple? |
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| 18:21.14 | humbolt | petemc: I remember something that was just like: command $1 |
| 18:21.26 | humbolt | how do I count lines? |
| 18:21.35 | petemc | wc -l |
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| 18:22.53 | humbolt | petemc: tnx |
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| 18:23.09 | giggsey | I've got a new VHCS server with Debian, but how do I add IPs to it and setup my nameservers (eg. ns1.domain.com and ns2.domain.com) |
| 18:23.17 | humbolt | and now I would like to sort the lines in the file. how would I do that? |
| 18:23.29 | rahul | humbolt: exactly |
| 18:23.32 | daxxar | I was wondering if anyone could offer me some help in getting my projector to work with 1280x720 (16:9). I've tried setting it in xorg.conf, and later set a custom modeline, but it still falls back to e.g. 1024x768. Could someone take a look at my xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log? They're here: http://daxxar.com/~daxxar/Xorg.0.log http://daxxar.com/~daxxar/xorg.conf |
| 18:24.00 | petemc | giggsey: vhcs uses its own specific method of doing things, you would need to ask them |
| 18:24.30 | daxxar | humbolt, sort filename >filename_tmp && mv filename_tmp filename |
| 18:24.46 | giggsey | VHCS has a bit in the CP for adding an IP, but I've been told that I need to do it manually on the server as well |
| 18:24.53 | petemc | man interfaces |
| 18:25.03 | humbolt | daxxar: tnx |
| 18:25.17 | giggsey | Any ideas about the nameservers? |
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| 18:26.47 | rivanvx | daxxar: are you sure that your projector supports 16:9? |
| 18:27.13 | daxxar | rivanvx, yes. :-) |
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| 18:27.26 | daxxar | rivanvx, the 'native resolution' is 1280x720, everything else is (afaik) scaled to that. |
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| 18:28.05 | humbolt | I do uniq on the lines before sorting, but still have duplicated entries. |
| 18:28.08 | daxxar | rivanvx, if you search the log for Supported additional Video Mode:, you'll see the part I took the values for my modeline from. |
| 18:28.17 | daxxar | humbolt, you need to do uniq *after* sorting. :-) |
| 18:28.38 | daxxar | humbolt, uniq only filters duplicates that are consecutive (is that the right word?). |
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| 18:29.00 | daxxar | A common idiom is sort file|uniq >file2 && mv file2 file |
| 18:29.15 | daxxar | That sorts and filters duplicates from 'file'. |
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| 18:29.30 | humbolt | consecutive means which follow each other? |
| 18:30.15 | daxxar | That's at least the meaning of the word I'm looking for. ;-) |
| 18:30.41 | daxxar | Hm, yeah, it seems it's the right word. |
| 18:30.44 | daxxar | <3 google define. |
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| 18:32.03 | humbolt | got it, great! and there still is nothing shorter than the awk command to extract all first words of the line in a file? |
| 18:33.29 | abrotman | awk is pretty easy |
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| 18:34.25 | grendal_prime | hey got a frind here created a file named --filename, how would we go about removing that cause we tried rm \-\-filename and no dice |
| 18:34.44 | stew | grendal_prime: rm -- --filename |
| 18:35.19 | stew | grendal_prime: -- tells getopt(3) to stop looking for command line options |
| 18:36.04 | Niklas-_ | Hey - i was wondering how i could replace a word 10 times in a file. Right now i'm using sed with `sed s/word/new word/ <file> > newfile`, but it only replaces the word once |
| 18:36.28 | Supaplex | use the /g modifier |
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| 18:36.40 | stew | Niklas-_: that should replace the word once per line, "s/from/to/g" instead of "s/from/to/" would replace all instances on a line |
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| 18:37.04 | Niklas-_ | Got it working, thanks all :) |
| 18:37.17 | Supaplex | man page has other goodies to |
| 18:37.34 | RvGaTe | What is the gpg key for http://people.debian.org/ (for the unstable nvidia drivers) |
| 18:38.52 | abrotman | RvGaTe: i think he has it on his page |
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| 18:39.03 | evilbulgarian | anyone know if there is an adaptor for a laptop to be able to use its keyboard + mouse + monitor? |
| 18:39.25 | Supaplex | evilbulgarian: like synergy? |
| 18:39.40 | Supaplex | evilbulgarian: kvm? or what? |
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| 18:40.20 | evilbulgarian | Supaplex: well to plug into servers and be able to use ur laptop's hardware to control the servers |
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| 18:40.36 | evilbulgarian | Supaplex: like ur laptop is the kvm |
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| 18:41.02 | Supaplex | evilbulgarian: don't think so :) that'd be great for older laptops. |
| 18:41.03 | aventis | hello |
| 18:41.11 | Supaplex | !wave aventis |
| 18:41.35 | evilbulgarian | Supaplex: yeah i would love to have that |
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| 18:42.48 | aventis | i have a question about debian repositories for dreamlinux ( debian based xfce distro ), im residing in pakistan and i need to set dreamlinux repositroies to a server which is closest to me, how can i do it ? |
| 18:43.10 | rahul | aventis: are you asking for debian mirrors? |
| 18:43.23 | aventis | and sorry ,im asking this question here but dreamlinux has a dead irc room |
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| 18:43.26 | plutonas | aventis: you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:43.44 | rahul | aventis: debian has xfce. what is the issue with it? |
| 18:43.48 | aventis | rahul: yes , the repositories for synaptic |
| 18:43.54 | rahul | just use debian and install xfce |
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| 18:44.22 | aventis | rahul: i dont have debian cds |
| 18:44.24 | Supaplex | aventis: be advised, you don't want to mix and match distro repos, or you get a system milkshake :) |
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| 18:44.34 | rahul | aventis: all the better |
| 18:44.42 | rahul | aventis: you don't need CDs. |
| 18:44.58 | Supaplex | net install image, or debootstrap trickery |
| 18:44.59 | emss | bandwidth is easy to come by in pakistan? |
| 18:45.00 | plutonas | aventis: download them, or buy them... |
| 18:45.11 | rahul | don't download CDs |
| 18:45.19 | Supaplex | !netinst |
| 18:45.19 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 18:45.21 | rahul | just install what you want |
| 18:45.22 | aventis | dreamlinux uses debian repositores for updates & packages |
| 18:45.36 | rahul | aventis: then just install debian |
| 18:45.45 | rahul | is there any difference at all? |
| 18:45.45 | aventis | im on dial up ,download is out of question |
| 18:45.47 | Ronin | rahul: no kidding :) |
| 18:45.49 | plutonas | you have a fast net connection, download them, else, take a look at cd vendors, they are relatively cheap |
| 18:46.07 | Ronin | ouch dial up, ya i remember doing network installs on that, not fun at all |
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| 18:46.14 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:46.17 | rahul | I did one once |
| 18:46.20 | rahul | took 2 days :P |
| 18:46.33 | rahul | I think I chose too many packages to start with |
| 18:46.39 | ubox | anyone knows about -> fetchmail: socket error while fetching from ... |
| 18:46.52 | ubox | setting fetchmail for the first time |
| 18:46.56 | RvGaTe | abrotman, i must be blind... http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
| 18:47.08 | rahul | ubox: you might want to use strace to see the exact error the kernel reports |
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| 18:47.33 | aventis | im waiting for etch, once it is out i will purchase it from www.linuxpakistan.net |
| 18:47.38 | ubox | fetchmail: Query status=2 (SOCKET) Does tht do any good? |
| 18:47.45 | abrotman | RvGaTe: what's the key ? |
| 18:48.14 | plutonas | aventis: purchase it now, then you can upgrade, upgrade shouuld work on dial-up... |
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| 18:48.34 | RvGaTe | abrotman, NO_PUBKEY 212253A4F641D1A6 |
| 18:48.45 | ubox | do i have to set a SMTP server on MY machine? |
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| 18:49.53 | rahul | ubox: if that's how you configured it |
| 18:50.02 | rahul | ubox: you'll need one for outgoing mail anyway. |
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| 18:50.20 | aventis | thanks for helps, time for crashing |
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| 18:50.34 | ubox | rahul: so i have to configure it anyhow? |
| 18:50.45 | rahul | ubox: yeah. just install nullmailer. |
| 18:50.46 | DanO | Does having the kernel set on 386 compared with the proper one for a xeon processor have a performance increase? |
| 18:51.01 | rahul | DanO: 386 would probably decrease performance... |
| 18:51.02 | ubox | rahul :ok, ty |
| 18:51.10 | blondie1 | DanO: you mean a decrease |
| 18:51.12 | DanO | ok |
| 18:51.16 | rahul | DanO: it won't use the advanced features of the xeon |
| 18:51.16 | DanO | yeah |
| 18:51.18 | DanO | lol |
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| 18:51.24 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:54.57 | shwag | how do I troubleshoot a VHOST that is not being recognized? |
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| 18:57.23 | abrotman | !apt-key F641D1A6 |
| 18:57.23 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys F641D1A6 ; gpg --export F641D1A6 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 19:00.42 | Flimzy | What options exist for running a load-balancing frontend server on Debian for various services? |
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| 19:07.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | The Phosphor screensaver seems to grab debian-related feeds or stuff from mailing lists or whatever... where does it grab the stuff from? |
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| 19:11.06 | evilbulgarian | hi, anyone have any good cool names for a company fileserver? |
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| 19:11.24 | ApEtc | evilbulgarian: Compuglobalhypermeganet |
| 19:11.26 | avtobiff | stupidasscompany |
| 19:11.41 | avtobiff | evilbulgarian, devnull |
| 19:11.43 | avtobiff | hehe |
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| 19:12.27 | evilbulgarian | avtobiff: thats not bad |
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| 19:12.35 | l3mr | evilbulgarian: msiss |
| 19:12.39 | l3mr | err msiis |
| 19:12.52 | evilbulgarian | l3mr: what's that |
| 19:12.57 | avtobiff | ms iis |
| 19:13.01 | avtobiff | microsoft iis |
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| 19:13.06 | avtobiff | internet information service |
| 19:13.06 | deadcat | does mambo comes with a forum or i should get phpbb? |
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| 19:13.20 | l3mr | evilbulgarian: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IIS |
| 19:13.48 | beardy | deadcat: Checking it |
| 19:13.48 | beardy | 's site is adviced |
| 19:13.52 | deadcat | k |
| 19:13.54 | putridp | I need to merge several logical partitions. They are all contiguous and are mounted as '/', '/tmp', '/var' and '/usr'. Should this be easily possible with qparted and some appropriate changes in /etc/fstab? |
| 19:14.19 | eilker | could someone pls tell me how can i damage my mbr with dd... |
| 19:14.41 | eap | eilker: and you want to know that because... :) |
| 19:14.47 | beardy | eilker: Why would you want that? |
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| 19:15.12 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: check the readme |
| 19:15.17 | eilker | it is my nightmare, i wanna try to repair it, |
| 19:15.24 | slept | i have problems with my sound, i use intel hda, very often i get axy_respose timed out switching to single command mode, but sometimes i works fine on boot up - i want to find out what is different when it works are there things i can check for ... this error seem to be very common but i can't find a fix with google |
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| 19:15.58 | beardy | !rs |
| 19:15.58 | dpkg | A real soundcard (or a good soundcard, or better than bad) does hardware mixing, that means, play more audio streams at once, without any sounddaemons and similar.. things. They are not expensive (depends on your demands of quality, but in general) get one and be happy. |
| 19:16.12 | deadcat | beardy: do they have a channel? i tried #mambo and #jumba, none |
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| 19:16.33 | eilker | so eap , beardy ,could u help me ? |
| 19:16.33 | deadcat | found it |
| 19:16.49 | putridp | Any paritioning help available? |
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| 19:17.00 | eap | eilker: yes i could.. but at your own risk.. :) |
| 19:17.16 | eilker | eap: no problem on vmware server :) |
| 19:17.16 | putridp | whoops, 'partitioning' i mean... |
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| 19:17.40 | eap | eilker: this is Very Dangerous.. 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<dev> bs=512' |
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| 19:18.36 | cast | eh. i'm new to pam, inside /etc/pam.d/common-password is a single line, 'password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5' is this line actually enforced? a max passwd len of 8 seems wrong to me |
| 19:18.39 | eap | eilker: actually use count instead of bs |
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| 19:18.56 | slept | beardy, in a laptop its a bit difficult to change ... |
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| 19:19.10 | eap | eilker: the mbr usually resides in the first 512 sectores... |
| 19:19.19 | rahul | erm |
| 19:19.31 | rahul | eap: 512 bytes, which is the first sector. |
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| 19:19.55 | eilker | 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda' is this less dangerous ? |
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| 19:20.01 | eap | rahul: well caught, tells me i should get to zzz now :) |
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| 19:20.34 | eap | eilker: no as bad, will kinda write all your data away either way |
| 19:21.09 | eap | eilker: dangerous b/c rather remote chances (if any of recovery) |
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| 19:21.26 | rahul | note that the mbr contains the partition table |
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| 19:22.02 | eilker | rahul: i am on vmware server, fresh install |
| 19:22.05 | eap | rahul: from his note, im thinking its kinda too late now :( :) |
| 19:22.13 | rahul | eilker: and? |
| 19:22.51 | eilker | rahul: so nothing to lose.. if i cant repair mbr, format and reinstall again, am i wrong ? |
| 19:23.32 | rahul | eilker: I suppose so |
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| 19:24.41 | bhundven | I was just wondering... ppc is still supported on unstable right? when trying to update from ftp.debian.org I get the following: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-powerpc/Packages.gz 404 Not Found -- checking http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/ I don't see binary-powerpc just i386 and amd64 |
| 19:25.05 | mikefoo1 | How can I tell what chipset my motherboard has, anything in /proc that might tell me? |
| 19:25.12 | Renfield | When I run apt-get update it hangs indefinitely on some site. Two questions. How do I determine which site it is hanging on? How do I make it stop hanging? |
| 19:25.37 | cast | mikefoo1: its probably written on it |
| 19:26.26 | mikefoo1 | cast: it is a remote server |
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| 19:27.00 | stew | mikefoo1: dmidecode is your best bet |
| 19:27.20 | rahul | mikefoo1: what do you need to know it for? |
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| 19:27.37 | plugwash | is the source code for packages.debian.org availible anywhere? |
| 19:28.04 | rahul | for the webapp? |
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| 19:28.52 | mikefoo1 | Need to know what server has which chipset, and they are all remote. |
| 19:29.01 | Supaplex | plugwash: why for? |
| 19:29.03 | cj | mikefoo1: lspci? |
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| 19:29.13 | plugwash | for whatever is nessacery to provide a clone of packages.debian.org for a repository of my choosing |
| 19:29.20 | stew | mikefoo1: dmidecode might tell you chipset, if not it might tell you motherboard model which you can use to look up chipset |
| 19:29.28 | rahul | plugwash: ok, lemme see if I can find someone |
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| 19:30.13 | mikefoo1 | ok what works on debain, anything equiv on fedora/rh that anyone knows? dmidecode, that is |
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| 19:30.30 | rahul | mikefoo1: yes, it works on debian |
| 19:30.42 | stew | mikefoo1: ask #fedora / #redhat |
| 19:30.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://80.219.77.35/gnustepcdandcover.jpg |
| 19:31.08 | TheGuit | Hello guys |
| 19:31.13 | abrotman | well .. that looks like ass :) |
| 19:31.17 | bhundven | haha |
| 19:31.21 | TheGuit | Houston i've got a probleme :p |
| 19:31.40 | abrotman | heat shield gone ? |
| 19:31.41 | bhundven | can't spell? |
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| 19:32.08 | rahul | a probleme is a problem that gets remembered down the generations |
| 19:32.52 | rahul | or maybe it's an archetype for a set of problems |
| 19:32.52 | TheGuit | How can I configure WPA for my debian Etch ? |
| 19:33.00 | bhundven | wpasupplicant |
| 19:33.10 | bhundven | it \m/ |
| 19:33.11 | eap | apt-cache search wpa |
| 19:33.25 | TheGuit | How To i found on google use wpa_suplicant :/ but it not appear on /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:33.33 | TheGuit | and conf file are empty |
| 19:34.06 | TheGuit | apt-get say that wpa_supplicant is already install |
| 19:34.28 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one please point to docs which talk about spanning desktops using laptop and a crt monitor . would appreciate some help |
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| 19:35.01 | eap | TheGuit: a bit old, but see if this help http://erlepereira.com/node/10 |
| 19:36.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's not nice from you |
| 19:36.06 | RvGaTe | OMFG !!!.... i created a backup 3 days ago with knoppix... now i need something with the backup... so i checked, something wierd happened, it only copied the folder structure... not the files... now i lost everything ! :S :( i hate knoppix |
| 19:36.27 | Studiosus | hi, all! after upgrade from 2.6.17 to 2.6.18 i got impression that my hdd is working louder. Anyone experienced something like that? How to fix it? |
| 19:36.28 | RvGaTe | *note to self* double check... before you ... format... |
| 19:36.30 | rahul | plugwash: I've been told that cvs.debian.org probably has the code on it |
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| 19:39.43 | mick_linux | hey everyone, what is the easiest way to test out a microphone? I set everything up in kmix (so input works). Now what is the easiest way to test this lil sucker out :) |
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| 19:39.58 | tarzeau | mick_linux: audacity? |
| 19:40.15 | mick_linux | ya, i guess |
| 19:40.52 | mick_linux | seems a bit bulky just to test though, i guess i'll go w/ that |
| 19:40.53 | RvGaTe | What is a good wma/media player plugin for firefox ? |
| 19:41.10 | mick_linux | mplayer |
| 19:41.25 | eap | mick_linux: why dont you simply, enable the mick and fire up the speakers? |
| 19:41.28 | cahoot_ | mick_linux, ecasound if cli is enough |
| 19:41.28 | mick_linux | RvGaTe: apt-cache search mplayer | grep plugin |
| 19:41.44 | mick_linux | cahoot_: i'll try that |
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| 19:42.17 | blaamann | mick_linux: Isnt 'rec' a small utility for recording ? |
| 19:42.28 | cahoot_ | arecord |
| 19:42.58 | slept | mick_linux, knock on the mic and turn you speakers up as loud as possible :) |
| 19:42.58 | RvGaTe | mick_linux, dont see anything for firefox |
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| 19:43.19 | mick_linux | slept: in that case it isn't working :) |
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| 19:43.31 | slept | mick_linux, is it muted ? |
| 19:43.34 | blaamann | RvGaTe: mplayerplug-in |
| 19:43.40 | franki | hello, i have adjusted the screen with xvidtune, now i do get modlines when i say show, can i use these information in xorg.conf as it was before with xf86config? |
| 19:45.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: sorry |
| 19:45.35 | RvGaTe | blaamann, only kmplayer stuff... |
| 19:46.06 | RvGaTe | blaamann, debian etch |
| 19:46.34 | blaamann | RvGaTe: I install mplayerplug-in from their cvs servers because the packages seems to be old. |
| 19:48.02 | rahul | plugwash: Frank Lichtenheld is supposedly the guy who writes it. the version in cvs may be out of date |
| 19:48.06 | RvGaTe | blaamann, you got a sources line for me ? |
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| 19:49.45 | blaamann | RvGaTe: I do not use an apt repository, but cvs. You need a working mplayer as well. |
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| 19:50.35 | TheGuit | What i must enter in /etc/network/interface to use ad-hoc ? |
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| 19:54.57 | eap | TheGuit: wireless-mode ad-hoc |
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| 19:56.01 | piper69 | how can i run a script please |
| 19:57.24 | bhundven | what kind of script |
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| 19:58.22 | piper69 | bhundven: a very simple one that will print Hello world |
| 19:58.27 | bhundven | bash |
| 19:58.29 | bhundven | ruby |
| 19:58.31 | bhundven | python |
| 19:58.34 | bhundven | perl |
| 19:58.36 | bhundven | ? |
| 19:58.38 | piper69 | bash |
| 19:58.40 | piper69 | sorry |
| 19:58.49 | bhundven | sh /home/bryan/myscript.sh |
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| 19:59.18 | bhundven | or just cd /home/bryan && chmod +x myscript.sh && ./myscript.sh |
| 19:59.18 | piper69 | bhundven: even id i saved it as .bash |
| 19:59.23 | bhundven | lol |
| 19:59.30 | bhundven | it doesn't matter |
| 20:00.06 | piper69 | ok got it to worl |
| 20:00.10 | piper69 | *work |
| 20:00.13 | piper69 | thank you |
| 20:00.18 | Supaplex | it works a little different in this galaxy+dimention |
| 20:00.21 | dmacks | Is http://cvs.debian.org still where development of 'dpkg' takes place? |
| 20:01.00 | bhundven | piper69: it's probably best to follow convention and call it hello.sh rather then .bash, but in unix filename extensions don't really matter. |
| 20:01.51 | dmacks | nevermind, found svn.debian.org |
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| 20:03.03 | humbolt | I know how to LOG with iptables. But I am still unaware on how to filter these messages into a certain file with sysklogd. |
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| 20:03.37 | humbolt | I set the log-prefix firewall with iptables and the LOG messages shows up in dmsg |
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| 20:04.43 | humbolt | But simply putting "firewall.* /var/log/firewall.log" in syslog.conf does not work the way, I would expect. |
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| 20:05.20 | bhundven | humbolt: right. I would check out using syslog-ng. |
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| 20:07.01 | humbolt | bhundven: It must work with syslog either, but how? |
| 20:07.22 | bhundven | humbolt: you can also run it through a pipe, so what you'd want to do is: kern.* |/usr/bin/myscript_to_filter_firewall_logs |
| 20:07.41 | bhundven | man sysklogd |
| 20:07.48 | humbolt | Don't want to switch logging facilities, unless debian would do this officially in the next release |
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| 20:09.41 | humbolt | man syslog.conf did not help me so far |
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| 20:11.52 | bhundven | humbolt: search sysklogd for pipe |
| 20:12.12 | dragonthunder | hello everyone.. I am having a problem with my repositories in debian.. Anyone that I put in it won't allow me download or the list it self can't update.. Keeps erroring out. |
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| 20:12.57 | dragonthunder | Err http://mirror.pacific.net.au sarge-backports/main Packages Temporary failure resolving 'mirror.pacific.net.au' |
| 20:12.57 | EruditeHermit | hey, is there a way to convert a system that is software raided into a non raided system? |
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| 20:13.14 | dragonthunder | my entire list of in source.list does that. |
| 20:13.15 | rahul | EruditeHermit: remove the software raid config, repartition, reformat |
| 20:13.29 | EruditeHermit | rahul: can it be done without reformatting? |
| 20:13.30 | rahul | dragonthunder: looks like your dns server is hosed |
| 20:13.34 | rahul | EruditeHermit: no |
| 20:13.49 | rahul | EruditeHermit: well.. not easilt |
| 20:13.54 | rahul | EruditeHermit: what kind of raid? |
| 20:13.58 | dragonthunder | you mean the resolv.conf |
| 20:13.58 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: perhaps one could change partition sizes manually to fit |
| 20:14.14 | EruditeHermit | rahul: complete mirror on both disks |
| 20:14.18 | dragonthunder | wonder how the hell that happened |
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| 20:14.32 | EruditeHermit | rahul: raid 0 |
| 20:14.41 | rahul | EruditeHermit: maybe you can just deconfigure raid and just use it |
| 20:14.42 | rahul | um |
| 20:14.51 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: mirror is raid 1 |
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| 20:15.01 | EruditeHermit | oh raid 1 then |
| 20:15.09 | EruditeHermit | rahul: how would I deconfigure it? |
| 20:15.25 | rahul | EruditeHermit: how did you configure it? |
| 20:15.29 | noshadow | rahul: doesn't it still have the raid block in front of the file system data? |
| 20:15.35 | rahul | noshadow: hrm. |
| 20:15.49 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: do you want to keep the data on those partitions? |
| 20:15.53 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: yes |
| 20:16.04 | dragonthunder | rahul: how would I fix this .. |
| 20:16.12 | noshadow | Erudite: and you do not have the space to copy it somewhere else temporarily? |
| 20:16.14 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: well it doesn't have to be kept on both, only one |
| 20:16.23 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: nope I don't |
| 20:16.28 | rahul | dragonthunder: call your ISP or whoever's dns server you're pointing at and tell them to fix it |
| 20:16.45 | dragonthunder | Thats great |
| 20:16.50 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: I could format one of the disks, reinstall on that disk and copy over |
| 20:17.01 | dragonthunder | I was wondering why my connection was acting a bit funny.. |
| 20:17.01 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: I don't think that this works without manual calculating of indexes. |
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| 20:17.30 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: when I run from knoppix, I can see all my files on both disks |
| 20:17.36 | mick_linux | i tripped over my powercord :-/ |
| 20:17.42 | dragonthunder | rahul: wouldn't other package management systems be affected by this?? |
| 20:17.42 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: perhaps loop devices can be used relatively easily to skip the raid block in fron of the data. |
| 20:17.45 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: so I was thinking maybe there is a way just to have it boot fro one of the disks |
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| 20:17.57 | rahul | dragonthunder: sure |
| 20:18.05 | rahul | dragonthunder: every app would be affected |
| 20:18.15 | dragonthunder | cause I use fedora.. before I was using gentoo and I was getting packages |
| 20:18.18 | dragonthunder | and still am. |
| 20:18.22 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: that could mean that something is able to skip that raid block itself, that would make it much easier. |
| 20:18.30 | rahul | dragonthunder: then you set up your resolv.conf badly |
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| 20:18.42 | dragonthunder | It did it on its own. |
| 20:18.51 | dragonthunder | I didn't mess with resolv. |
| 20:18.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:18.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:18.56 | rahul | "it"? |
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| 20:19.10 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: oh, sorry, I missed the most easy solution: remove one disk from the raid, reformat it, copy |
| 20:19.12 | rahul | dragonthunder: tell "it" to undo "it" |
| 20:19.25 | stew | dragonthunder: can you ping your nameserver? |
| 20:19.41 | rahul | er |
| 20:19.41 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: after all, a raid is supposed to still work when one part fails. |
| 20:19.51 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: yeah thats what I was thinking. But I also thought since I can mount both disks in knoppix, shouldn't I be able to just boot from one? |
| 20:19.55 | rahul | JordiGH: that's a boggling statement, taken in this context |
| 20:20.08 | dragonthunder | yes stew |
| 20:20.19 | JordiGH | rahul: So I can't be an it-girl? :-( |
| 20:20.21 | dragonthunder | ping is going great |
| 20:20.30 | stew | dragonthunder: and does "host mirror.pacific.net.au" return an answer or not? |
| 20:20.36 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: say I changed all the boot configs to pretend its like a normal system? |
| 20:20.48 | rahul | JordiGH: I guess you could be... a resolv.conf-mangling-girl |
| 20:20.53 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: acutally, the first booting stuff is only from one disk. |
| 20:20.54 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: I just don't know where all the configs are. I assume grub, /etc/fstab need to be changed |
| 20:20.57 | JordiGH | On second thought, the devilette horns in that red Debian lady remind me too much of BSD... Not a bad thing, but I want something more Debiany... |
| 20:21.14 | rgsteele | JordiGH: Maybe a Tux version of the Devil-Ducky? |
| 20:21.15 | rahul | debian lady? |
| 20:21.44 | JordiGH | rahul: http://www.kde-look.org/content/files/10584-dressel.jpg |
| 20:21.46 | dragonthunder | one sec stew checking |
| 20:21.47 | rgsteele | JordiGH: The alternative "red-swirl" doesn't quite lend itself to a mascot |
| 20:21.51 | jelly | JordiGH: Maybe it's a Debian/kFreeBSD lady. |
| 20:21.58 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: say I made them /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/md0 |
| 20:22.00 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: raid is not in grub or fstab normaly, but in the raid config |
| 20:22.02 | rahul | JordiGH: yeah, not very debian |
| 20:22.09 | rahul | jelly: exactly |
| 20:22.16 | JordiGH | rahul: They don't even mention GNU. :-( |
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| 20:22.19 | Guerin | debian is too iconoclastic for cute mascots |
| 20:22.22 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: where is the raid config? Is it something that can be edited? |
| 20:22.27 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: that could severly confuse linux, when it still wants to see hda1 as part of md0 |
| 20:22.32 | rahul | debian users are all ugly? :) |
| 20:22.38 | dragonthunder | yeah stew. |
| 20:22.43 | bhundven | haha |
| 20:22.57 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: that changes all the time, and there are different possibilities, especially multiple ways of autodetection. |
| 20:23.19 | dragonthunder | my dns seems to work, cause if that was the problem I wouldn't be able to use my browser .. |
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| 20:23.29 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: so my theory is out of the question? |
| 20:23.46 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: its just easier to format one disk and copy over |
| 20:23.59 | stew | dragonthunder: is the problem with apt consistent or intermittent? |
| 20:24.08 | JordiGH | Heh. These are cute: http://www.paul.sladen.org/expo/lrlive-2005/T-shirt-logos.html |
| 20:24.10 | dragonthunder | OOOO.. I think I know what the problem is.. I switched interfaces and didn't bring down the original interface. Shit that was smart.. |
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| 20:24.24 | JordiGH | !prize dragonthunder |
| 20:24.30 | rgsteele | Guerin: Haha, JordiGH could be the "breaker or destroyer of images" woman |
| 20:24.36 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: before formating, tell it to remove one disk. that you have to do anyway. Otherwise he will find that the discs are out of sync and resync and destory you everything. |
| 20:24.41 | rgsteele | At least, that's what Dictionary.com calls iconoclastic :) |
| 20:24.59 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: how do I do that? |
| 20:25.04 | rahul | the woman who breaks the camera? |
| 20:25.06 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: so anyway you have to find first how the kernel learns what you raid disks are. |
| 20:25.17 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: try to look what is in /etc/mdadm/ |
| 20:25.22 | EruditeHermit | ok |
| 20:25.23 | dragonthunder | I forgot I switched the my nic to wireless and didn't bring eth0 down. It was still looking from that device.. |
| 20:25.29 | noshadow | what the partition types are and so on |
| 20:25.30 | dragonthunder | Thanks any guys.. |
| 20:25.46 | dragonthunder | anyway ** |
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| 20:26.22 | mick_linux | ok, alsamixer has everything unmuted and set to 100% |
| 20:26.34 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: so it defines the array in mdadm.conf |
| 20:26.38 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:26.39 | dpkg | qotd138 is probably <PerfDave> tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON! |
| 20:26.39 | Guerin | remember the flamewar about the stripping cpu meter ... |
| 20:27.01 | mick_linux | amixer shows that some things aren't capturing :( |
| 20:27.16 | mick_linux | Guerin: haha, ya hot...something |
| 20:27.22 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: should I just delete that? |
| 20:27.28 | Guerin | mick_linux: alsamixer has several tabs, including a capture tab |
| 20:27.30 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: to make things more comples mdadm.conf most of the time does not define the setting, but has a default setting, the actual raid blocks might tell different things. |
| 20:27.33 | rahul | heh |
| 20:27.37 | rahul | nice. |
| 20:27.43 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: lol |
| 20:27.45 | mick_linux | Guerin: oh ya, they are all up there |
| 20:28.15 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: I guess first telling mdadm to remove to partition, then deleting the partion from mdadm.conf, then changing its type to not be auto-raid, then rebooting and looking if it worked should be relatively save. |
| 20:28.24 | mick_linux | no "cature" tab btw ;) |
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| 20:29.03 | noshadow | EruditeHermit: after that you should have still software raid, but only on one disk |
| 20:29.05 | Sypher | guys, one question ... i have a firewall / natter, set up with dnat (not masquerading) that ... well ... works ... but slowly. sometimes it just "freezes", stop doing anything. for example, i could get no natting for some seconds, or i could get no output when i try to connect (like 10 or more seconds waitihg for the password question to come up) ... any things i might check to try to solve (or identify) this? |
| 20:29.06 | Guerin | mick_linux: there sure is. Might be on f4 or somethine |
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| 20:31.20 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: brb, my comp is acting weird |
| 20:31.31 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: thank you so much for the advice so far |
| 20:31.39 | EruditeHermit | noshadow: I really appreciate it |
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| 20:32.15 | raf256 | are krusader debian devels challanged? |
| 20:32.19 | mick_linux | it is also at 100% |
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| 20:32.32 | raf256 | EACH krusader version, for over a 1.5 year, was horrible unstable :[ |
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| 20:32.58 | tarzeau | raf256: :) |
| 20:33.00 | sid | How canIjhjh |
| 20:33.03 | stew | raf256: don't file another report |
| 20:33.08 | stew | raf256: did you check bugs.kde.org? |
| 20:33.10 | mick_linux | i tested the mic on another computer - it works |
| 20:33.11 | mick_linux | the soundcard plays music, so that seems to be alright |
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| 20:33.14 | tarzeau | yesterday it was just ONE year |
| 20:33.19 | mick_linux | i'm kind of stumped |
| 20:33.20 | tarzeau | a day after it's one and a half? |
| 20:33.21 | stew | raf256: its not helpfule to file multiple reports for the same bug |
| 20:33.37 | raf256 | stew: I send shitload of bug reports to kde bugs, debian bugs, and directly to devels |
| 20:33.51 | raf256 | I file report for each new version, today for 1.70-1 |
| 20:33.51 | stew | raf256: please don't file multiple copies of the same bug |
| 20:33.54 | tarzeau | raf256: the problem is you don't attach patches that fix the bugs |
| 20:34.02 | stew | raf256: please don't do that |
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| 20:34.08 | raf256 | tarzeau: I have no knowalge of kde |
| 20:34.09 | sid | How can I tell if a windows game uses opengl or directx9 from my Debian machine? the website doesn't say, it only has some .exe trial. http://www.ryzom.org is the game. |
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| 20:34.19 | tarzeau | raf256: challange and knowalge :) |
| 20:34.20 | raf256 | stew: I attach usable info like backgraces |
| 20:34.20 | stew | raf256: you searched bugs.kde.org for this particular bug? |
| 20:34.36 | tarzeau | raf256: whitch cantry yo ar frum? |
| 20:34.47 | tarzeau | backgraces, yeh :) |
| 20:34.48 | stew | raf256: attach them to the original bug with an additional pseudo-header with the new version |
| 20:34.59 | noshadow | there are commands to merge bugs, but no commands to seperate bugs reports easily. (well, one can clone, but not mark which part is for what) |
| 20:35.02 | hid3 | Evening everyone. What is the right syntax for `tar` to exclude certain directory from being included into the archive? --exclude=directory/ seems not to work... |
| 20:35.39 | tarzeau | raf256: hahaha i will piss in my pants if you don't fucking stop |
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| 20:35.40 | asg | hid3: info tar (there are plenty of examples) |
| 20:35.40 | raf256 | tarzeau: well if you insist |
| 20:35.40 | CharminTheMoose | question:why when i cat /dev/urandom it spits out about a screen of garbage and then sends the rest to my printer? |
| 20:35.49 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: not on purpose |
| 20:35.49 | raf256 | stew: ok |
| 20:35.50 | stew | raf256: did you search for this particular issue on bugs.kde.org? |
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| 20:35.59 | stew | raf256: are you here for help or just to complain? |
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| 20:36.16 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: but randomly it sends some code, man console_codes for example |
| 20:36.26 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: to switch to the printer. yes it's possible, i've seen that too |
| 20:36.41 | Guerin | raf256: of all people, you're not one who has standing to call developers incompetent |
| 20:36.45 | Guerin | even KDE developers |
| 20:36.46 | raf256 | stew: to have it fixed |
| 20:36.51 | mick_linux | Guerin: you mentioned hotbabe before, remanissing? or did you want a package name? |
| 20:36.59 | raf256 | Guerin: seen any of my programs? |
| 20:36.59 | Guerin | mick_linux: mm, that was the name |
| 20:37.08 | stew | raf256: did you search for this particular bug on bugs.kde.org |
| 20:37.18 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau: cat-ing /dev/urandom randomly excutes some code? |
| 20:37.27 | Guerin | raf256: no, i've seen your attitude to actually doing any work for yourself |
| 20:37.28 | raf256 | Guerin: I dont had any bug of this magnitude (crash + lost of data) unfixed for a year. |
| 20:37.35 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: no |
| 20:37.42 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: but it sends random characters to your terminal |
| 20:37.54 | asg | hid3: that'll work on sarge; won't work on etch/sid though (removed due to GFDL issues) |
| 20:37.55 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: and your terminal can understand some codes to switch to printer |
| 20:37.56 | raf256 | Guerin: I would gladly help, but I would had to spend months learning KDE internals and source code of Krusader/. |
| 20:38.10 | stew | raf256: you can send the "found bugnumber version" to control@bugs.debian.org to specify that a bug was found in a new version instead of filing a new bug |
| 20:38.21 | hid3 | asg: thanks, it works on sarge. |
| 20:38.55 | mick_linux | i think that was sad |
| 20:38.58 | raf256 | stew: how to install all *-dbg for all libs that I have installed, to get rid of unresolved symbol in backtrace |
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| 20:39.14 | mick_linux | now it is in some unofficial repository |
| 20:39.21 | sid | raf256: So switch to gnome. |
| 20:39.33 | sid | !start a desktop enviroment war |
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| 20:39.44 | raf256 | sid: and how that would help? krusader is best tool I saw, besides the messed up network connections |
| 20:39.55 | stew | raf256: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 20:39.58 | sid | raf256: Put up money for a bounty. |
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| 20:40.12 | fredforfaen | hey stew , i was talking with mz_work about ivman and he mentioned that you could have a idea of whats wrong with my box.Here goes:Im using e17/ion3 and fluxbox for windowmanagers.....this is a amd 64 sid box..Ivman seems to work ok once after boot for each device but after that one mount the device doesent mount anymore unless i mount it manually...mounting didnt work under xfce with hal either...an |
| 20:40.12 | fredforfaen | y ideas? |
| 20:40.22 | raf256 | sid: good idea, how much do bounty hunter need? if I provide the gun |
| 20:40.31 | sid | raf256: I bet if you showed a backtrace and put up $50 USD someone would fix it |
| 20:40.41 | tarzeau | raf256: tried GWorkspace.app yet? |
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| 20:41.01 | tarzeau | sid: there's another rule that applies to software |
| 20:41.02 | bhundven | mmmm.... gnustep |
| 20:41.10 | tarzeau | something broken far beyond won't ever get fixed properly |
| 20:41.14 | raf256 | tarzeau: is there other twin-table mc-style file manager that supports sftp connections, storing passwords, and prefferably uses KwalletManager? |
| 20:41.31 | Guerin | raf256: you don't need that |
| 20:41.32 | tarzeau | raf256: no idea i can't spell KED |
| 20:41.37 | stew | fredforfaen: yes, this seems to be a known bug in hal. does "/etc/init.d/dbus restart" fix the problem (temporarily)? |
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| 20:41.54 | Guerin | see, if you build your operating procedures on shaky ground, you gets the pain |
| 20:41.57 | stew | !dbugs 400773 |
| 20:41.58 | raf256 | Guerin: gftp also was horribly unstable last time I checked |
| 20:41.59 | fredforfaen | let me check stew... |
| 20:42.02 | dpkg | #400773:N[hal] hal: HAL gets stuck when unplugging USB storage without unmount; Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:55:01 UTC |
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| 20:42.23 | raf256 | Guerin: you are refering to quality of KDE libs? |
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| 20:42.41 | Guerin | not the libs ... the programs in general |
| 20:42.58 | NicoB | 'evening. I have a problem with ipw3945 under debian sid : iwconfig eth1 essid "foo" adds a random char in the end of the essid. Anybody seen this ? |
| 20:43.03 | Guerin | not that they're bad programs, just based on byzantine subsystems which are fragile |
| 20:43.08 | raf256 | krusader is low quality? or all programs in KDE O_o? why? |
| 20:43.19 | raf256 | what subsystems? |
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| 20:43.26 | Mark_Iron | !customizing debian |
| 20:43.27 | raf256 | ideas like kwalletmanger are cool, I miss them in gnome |
| 20:43.52 | rahul | gnome and kde are both low quality |
| 20:43.53 | Guerin | raf256: kde's are getter than gnome's subsystems which are all named after animals |
| 20:44.03 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:44.07 | stew | raf256: did you check bugs.kde.org for your issue with krusader? |
| 20:44.10 | Guerin | raf256: but the point is that more code made faster means more bugs and more breakage |
| 20:44.21 | jlmb | I need to set up a RAID1. Is it possible to configure it without having to reinstall? |
| 20:44.23 | Guerin | raf256: and kde and gnome both suffer from massive overfeaturisation |
| 20:44.35 | raf256 | stew: well I found bunch of my own reports |
| 20:44.38 | NicoB | jlmb yes it's possible |
| 20:44.39 | bhundven | I personally think it's because kde uses c++ |
| 20:44.39 | asg | jlmb: generally, yes |
| 20:44.46 | stew | raf256: can you update the bug you filed against the debian package then? |
| 20:44.49 | Guerin | bhundven: then what's gnome's excuse? |
| 20:44.56 | rahul | Guerin: heh, exactly |
| 20:44.56 | raf256 | Guerin: I like progams with meany features |
| 20:44.59 | noshadow | and both suffer from trying to emulate windows without knowing what system they are on. |
| 20:45.09 | Guerin | raf256: i like programs with many features WHEN THEY WORK |
| 20:45.10 | bhundven | they were smart and stuck with c |
| 20:45.12 | bhundven | ;) |
| 20:45.20 | Guerin | bhundven: but it hasn't helped their quality |
| 20:45.21 | jlmb | NicoB, asg: Any pointers? I've been googling without much success |
| 20:45.23 | raf256 | Guerin: so put more work in fixing first? |
| 20:45.24 | rahul | so gnome sucks because the programmers are smart |
| 20:45.34 | bhundven | lol |
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| 20:45.37 | rahul | raf256: implement the basics first |
| 20:45.43 | bhundven | that's not what I'm saying |
| 20:45.45 | rahul | raf256: then add wacky extras |
| 20:45.46 | raf256 | Guerin: I agree, thats will I send trillon bug reports on krusader ass and nothging. I think I will again email krusader upstream |
| 20:45.53 | Guerin | raf256: stick to what works. Develop conservatively. |
| 20:46.07 | Guerin | rahul: right. |
| 20:46.11 | jking2100 | what is krusader |
| 20:46.20 | Guerin | fuck, I'm not even a programmer and I can see the sanity of that |
| 20:46.24 | Guerin | jking2100: something you can google |
| 20:46.30 | raf256 | jking2100: very good twin panel mc style file manger, with horrible broken remote connections |
| 20:46.31 | creature | Quick noob question: I have just installed linux-tree-2.6.18. Where will it have installed the source? |
| 20:46.31 | jking2100 | funny |
| 20:46.43 | bhundven | creature, /usr/src |
| 20:46.52 | jking2100 | thanks raf |
| 20:46.55 | asg | jlmb: I've only ever done it with OpenBSD though the concepts are the same. Build a degraded array. Transfer your data. Start using the degraded array and have it build cleanly on the old disk. |
| 20:47.01 | creature | bhundven: Great, thanks. |
| 20:47.10 | Guerin | raf256: a case in point would be emacs. It's huge, and potentially bloated. It's byzantine. But because it has a very conservative development cycle it's almost never broken. |
| 20:47.24 | raf256 | neat |
| 20:47.27 | Guerin | ignoring the vidiots who claim it's broken from the start |
| 20:47.36 | raf256 | vidiots heh |
| 20:47.51 | CharminTheMoose | to me emacs is just another editor. |
| 20:47.55 | noshadow | Guerin: I mostly hear emacs users complain about emacs. ;-> |
| 20:48.05 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose, lol |
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| 20:48.17 | Guerin | noshadow: oh, they do. But it's about little quirks, not about catastrophic crashes and data loss. |
| 20:48.23 | CharminTheMoose | like vi/vim,xedit etc etc |
| 20:48.23 | jlmb | asg: ok, let me check. |
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| 20:48.44 | fredforfaen | yes stew , thunar shows both cdrom and usb-drive but dont mount them before i click them...but thats acceptable but it only works once :\ |
| 20:48.59 | tempest2k4 | whats best media player for debian ? |
| 20:49.04 | Guerin | tempest2k4: mplayer |
| 20:49.05 | tempest2k4 | gnome |
| 20:49.12 | raf256 | tempest2k4: totem |
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| 20:49.24 | tempest2k4 | is mplayer in gnome ? |
| 20:49.32 | raf256 | mplayer is X isnt it |
| 20:49.43 | Guerin | mplayer is x or not as you require |
| 20:49.44 | tempest2k4 | x ? |
| 20:49.49 | bhundven | ghey |
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| 20:50.14 | Guerin | this and the fact that it supports an arguably wider range of formats than anything else are the primary factors which makes it the best |
| 20:50.34 | stew | mplayer -vo aa ! |
| 20:50.34 | Guerin | tempest2k4: i recommend vlc over totem, though |
| 20:50.43 | yassine | when i try to start proftpd i get this error : Failed binding to ::, port 21: Address already in use and netstat -lnp | grep 21 gives --> tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3682/inetd |
| 20:50.43 | asg | stew: is that the ascii output? |
| 20:50.45 | Guerin | it's almost as good as mplayer and not as broken as totem |
| 20:50.48 | stew | asg: yes |
| 20:51.01 | asg | stew: almost usable from a distance ;) |
| 20:51.08 | jking2100 | what about kaffine |
| 20:51.11 | rahul | stew: ! |
| 20:51.11 | Guerin | yassine: kill whatever's listening. Probably ftpd running out of inetd |
| 20:51.21 | fredforfaen | any ideas stew? |
| 20:51.27 | Guerin | jking2100: kaffeine is just xine with a kde gui. |
| 20:51.35 | tempest2k4 | i cant seem to install mplayer on etch |
| 20:51.39 | stew | fredforfaen: wait, whatever you have that is making then mount when you click on them is sometihng e17 related, nothing to do with ivman. see if restarting hal fixes it, and if not, see if restarting hal and your desktop environment fixes it |
| 20:51.42 | Guerin | tempest2k4: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 20:52.02 | yassine | Guerin, how can see what is running behind a process id ? |
| 20:52.04 | fredforfaen | ok stew |
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| 20:52.15 | CharminTheMoose | i'm annoyed |
| 20:52.19 | noshadow | yassine: that a look at /proc/<id> |
| 20:52.24 | stew | yassine: what do you mean by "behind"? |
| 20:52.36 | jking2100 | its parent process? |
| 20:52.54 | rahul | animatrix looks funny in aa |
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| 20:52.56 | Guerin | yassine: use netstat -plaunt to see what's actually running |
| 20:53.02 | rahul | it's like... meta. |
| 20:53.03 | yassine | hi stew i mean i wanted to know which programm is running with that process id |
| 20:53.09 | jking2100 | ps "%p %P %c" |
| 20:53.19 | CharminTheMoose | I'm worried that my homebaked kernel is somewhat broken some how that it won't be as functional than the .deb because of something i've forgotten to compile in... |
| 20:53.19 | stew | yassine: "ps $pid" |
| 20:53.26 | rahul | you're watching the matrix through the matrix |
| 20:53.36 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: that's usually the case |
| 20:53.51 | rahul | doesn't seem to support color, tho :\ |
| 20:54.01 | CharminTheMoose | guess i should use it and see.... |
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| 20:55.18 | stew | CharminTheMoose: since you corrected my grammer earlier and said that you are a stickler, I feel like you should know that its "somehow" not "some how", and you shouldn't end the sentence in the proposition. |
| 20:55.28 | stew | ^its^it's |
| 20:55.33 | blondie1 | stew: "grammar" ;) |
| 20:55.46 | asg | blondie1: he said nothing about spelling |
| 20:55.50 | stew | :) |
| 20:56.02 | CharminTheMoose | hurrah for overly pedanticness |
| 20:56.10 | tarzeau | !grammar nazi |
| 20:56.42 | ZenBSDi | grammatical correctness is what seperates us from the chimps =p |
| 20:56.51 | yassine | when i try to run - /usr/sbin/in.proftpd i get IPv6 getaddrinfo 'wunder-oase.de' error: Name or service not known |
| 20:56.52 | sid | http://lwn.net/Articles/213947/ |
| 20:56.59 | tarzeau | !eat ZenBSDi CharminTheMoose stew rahul |
| 20:57.01 | stew | i'm used to bad grammar, he said he isn't. |
| 20:57.15 | ZenBSDi | but wut the .. i ain't need good grammer since hi skool =p |
| 20:57.29 | CharminTheMoose | j00 ar3 t3h grammzor nazi! also when does the linux kernel rollover to 2.8? |
| 20:57.33 | raf256 | dude, that is so cool dude |
| 20:57.41 | CharminTheMoose | is it when the kernel changes to a large extent? |
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| 20:57.47 | tarzeau | when comes Lenny? |
| 20:57.51 | blondie1 | I have linux 4.8 |
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| 20:57.55 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: it's when morton and torvalds think they've had enough |
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| 20:58.15 | rahul | strnage |
| 20:58.17 | CharminTheMoose | Guerin:What do you mean by that? |
| 20:58.23 | tarzeau | blondie1: % alcohol? |
| 20:58.23 | stew | i wonder if the next stable branch will be 2.7 or 2.8 |
| 20:58.23 | ZenBSDi | w00 kn0\|/5 \|/h3n 2.8 \|/|11 83 0u7 =p |
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| 20:58.37 | ZenBSDi | stew, odds = devel, evens=stable |
| 20:58.38 | jking2100 | 2 major 7 minor |
| 20:58.39 | ZenBSDi | so it's 2.8 |
| 20:58.43 | stew | ZenBSDi: not anymore |
| 20:58.43 | jking2100 | odd == development |
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| 20:58.48 | jking2100 | even == production |
| 20:58.49 | stew | !kernel of instability |
| 20:58.49 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: it's discretionary, is what I mean. Historically it's tended to happen in the twenties |
| 20:58.49 | dpkg | Linux 2.6. "Andrew's vision, as expressed at the summit, is that the mainline kernel will be the fastest and most feature-rich kernel around, but not, necessarily, the most stable. Final stabilization is to be done by distributors (as happens now, really)..." <http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/3513>, or http://kerneltrap.org/node/4793 (new 2.6 numbering scheme - proposal) |
| 20:59.03 | docelic | HI folks.. Did you install Debian on a Gigabyte motherboard, model GA-K8N51GMF-9-RH ? What Debian installer type/version was it and how did it detect the SATA drives ? |
| 20:59.07 | noshadow | that was only until 2.2, after 2.2 odd was devel, even was broken |
| 20:59.25 | jking2100 | lol |
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| 20:59.29 | rahul | heh |
| 20:59.36 | cydork | hhehe i just got spammed in chinise :P |
| 20:59.48 | rahul | hmm I need food |
| 20:59.59 | Guerin | docelic: google is your best bet for this. Or look at the specific chipsets you're worried about and google their support. |
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| 21:00.30 | stew | now they are putting new features into the 2.6 kernel instead of putting them into a 2.7, so its not clear that there is a need for a 2.7 development kernel anymore |
| 21:00.47 | stew | its weekend time for me. time to start making cookies |
| 21:00.47 | Supaplex | 2.7 a miss? |
| 21:00.48 | docelic | Guerin: yes I did look there first and I wasn't satisfied with the results I got |
| 21:01.35 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 21:01.35 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 21:01.42 | Guerin | docelic: ↑ try that |
| 21:01.47 | tosh| | should I go for amavis or clamav? any experiences from you guys? im using postfix |
| 21:02.12 | rahul | hmm |
| 21:02.17 | Guerin | tosh|: they're quite different. Amavis ties several different things together, clamav just does viruses. |
| 21:02.22 | rahul | sido... veg platter with lentil soup |
| 21:02.22 | tarzeau | tosh|: i like renattach |
| 21:02.34 | tosh| | tarzeau renattach? never heard of it |
| 21:02.34 | Supaplex | cydork: chinese spam? does it go well with fried rice? |
| 21:02.41 | Guerin | tosh|: in general, if you have *shitloads* of ram, use amavis. If not, use clamav. Consider using neither. |
| 21:02.42 | NicoB | anyone know why iwconfig would add a random char to my essid on an ipw3945 ? |
| 21:02.47 | tosh| | Guerin other things than AV? |
| 21:02.49 | rahul | hey! I even took a shower so I can go down there and get the food myself |
| 21:02.58 | rahul | I rule |
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| 21:03.02 | tosh| | Guerin neither. uhuh :) |
| 21:03.04 | Guerin | tosh|: yeah, amavis can do spam and other such. |
| 21:03.12 | tosh| | gonna use spamassasin for that |
| 21:03.28 | Supaplex | !spammerassassin |
| 21:03.33 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 21:03.35 | Guerin | tosh|: that's the point: amavis provides glue for spamassassin, clamav and some other things, but takes lots of ram. |
| 21:03.42 | shwag | anyone use the debian phpmyadmin setup scripts? |
| 21:03.49 | cydork | Supaplex: dont know.. but i always feel hungry after fried rice :P |
| 21:03.53 | Guerin | !anyone use the debian phpmyadmin setup scripts? |
| 21:03.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses the debian phpmyadmin setup scripts, not even the people who use it. |
| 21:04.09 | jking2100 | lol |
| 21:04.12 | netgod | heh |
| 21:04.31 | DavidProck1981 | Question , what would it mean if 'you' 'are' playing a game that is giveing you 100 some FPS, and you minimize the game and start to copy around 3GB's of files from one hard drive to another, And when the copy is in progress and when you go back to the game you get 7 FPS and as soon as the copying of the files is over, the FPS goes back up to 100 some, What would be the reason for that? |
| 21:04.52 | Guerin | tosh|: anyway, checking for viruses is futile. Let your users do it locally, where they have computational resources to burn. |
| 21:05.04 | rumpl | DavidProck1981, swap |
| 21:05.08 | tosh| | Guerin maybe so |
| 21:05.18 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: that would be the fact that disk i/o uses cpu |
| 21:05.21 | Supaplex | DavidProck1981: disk i/o is system intensive |
| 21:05.24 | Guerin | and ram |
| 21:05.26 | Guerin | and stuff |
| 21:05.32 | DavidProck1981 | i have a 3gb swap |
| 21:05.43 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: solution: don't do things while doing things. |
| 21:05.51 | jking2100 | ha |
| 21:05.56 | Mark_Iron | DavidProck1981: I have 4GB swap ;-) |
| 21:05.58 | tosh| | DavidProck1981 rendering toy story are we? |
| 21:05.58 | DavidProck1981 | Supaplex, how would i fix it |
| 21:06.04 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: solution: don't do things while doing things. |
| 21:06.11 | Guerin | honestly |
| 21:06.15 | Supaplex | DavidProck1981: doctor my arm hurts when ... |
| 21:06.20 | jking2100 | I have a 5.25" big "foot" |
| 21:06.22 | rahul | you guys are full of shit :) |
| 21:06.24 | Guerin | do you try to do long division while wanking and talking to your mother on the phone? |
| 21:06.29 | rahul | disk i/o doesn't use CPU |
| 21:06.33 | Guerin | some things need full attention |
| 21:06.41 | rahul | _IDE_ disk I/O uses CPU |
| 21:06.42 | Guerin | rahul: sure does. |
| 21:06.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:06.48 | rahul | losers |
| 21:06.54 | asg | Guerin: I can do that but often fail by telling her "I love you honey" at the end |
| 21:07.07 | Guerin | asg: you're a bad, bad man. |
| 21:07.14 | Guerin | and do you get the division right? |
| 21:07.15 | yassine | any ideas what does this mean : - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'localhost' error: Name or service not known |
| 21:07.18 | DavidProck1981 | any one have an educated guess as to what would be going on |
| 21:07.25 | asg | Guerin: close enough for govmint work |
| 21:07.36 | Supaplex | DavidProck1981: man top |
| 21:07.38 | Guerin | yassine: it means that name doesn't have a dns record |
| 21:07.54 | DavidProck1981 | why do that |
| 21:07.55 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: why is the simple answer not simple enough for you? |
| 21:07.57 | shwag | how do I clear out extra files that I no longer need...which apt saves. |
| 21:08.06 | rahul | http://xach.com/tmp/rahul.gif |
| 21:08.08 | asg | shwag: apt-get clean |
| 21:08.09 | Guerin | shwag: aptitude clean |
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| 21:08.13 | yassine | Guerin, i have no clue how to solve this do you have to have a clue for ? |
| 21:08.25 | Supaplex | DavidProck1981: why do you copy files when playing games anyway? |
| 21:08.30 | yassine | s/have to/ happen to/ |
| 21:08.33 | Guerin | yassine: do you know the server exists with that name? |
| 21:08.44 | DavidProck1981 | i just remember something i hade to do |
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| 21:08.53 | rumpl | DavidProck1981, you had 3 guys answering you, and you want more! you can't play a game and copy 3Gb. There is the swap (very very slow). there is the thing that Guerin said... |
| 21:08.56 | alecjw | hi. i'm making a repository, but having a little trouble. how to i make the Packages.gz file? |
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| 21:09.02 | ByRuSiTo | hi / hola |
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| 21:09.36 | yassine | Guerin, even if i set my fqdn there i get the same error for my fqdn |
| 21:09.39 | netgod | alecjw: dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 21:09.49 | creature | OK, so I've downloaded the linux-tree-2.6.18 package and unpacked the tarball in /usr/src . Do I have to do anything special to apply the Debian patches to it, or are they already applied? |
| 21:09.50 | Guerin | yassine: mm, dunno, then. |
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| 21:10.03 | alecjw | netgod: do i have to cd into the dir where the packges are then do that? |
| 21:10.05 | Guerin | creature: the debian patches are already applied |
| 21:10.17 | Guerin | creature: if you need to apply others consult the documentation for make-kpkg |
| 21:10.25 | Guerin | creature: and to build a kernel, /msg dpkg kp |
| 21:10.31 | evilbulgarian | hi what do i need to get to play m4a music files? |
| 21:10.41 | creature | OK. So I can copy the config from /boot into my directory and do "make oldconfig" to build a copy of the existing kernel? |
| 21:10.48 | alecjw | evilbulgarian: with xine or gstreamer? |
| 21:10.53 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: various libs and such. Mplayer can play them. |
| 21:11.03 | netgod | alecjw: basically yes; but see the manpage because its invocation can be a bit hairy |
| 21:11.13 | DavidProck1981 | evilbulgarian: google linux m4a file support |
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| 21:11.32 | DavidProck1981 | and u might get an idea for stuff later on |
| 21:11.34 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: you're a fine one to point others to google. |
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| 21:11.40 | Supaplex | !u DavidProck1981 |
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| 21:11.50 | zzz | Hi! How can i set the resolution of X from commandline under debian? |
| 21:12.11 | DavidProck1981 | now if it is some thing like file suffort ill google it my self |
| 21:12.14 | Guerin | zzz: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 21:12.29 | alecjw | evilbulgarian: for xine, sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs, for gstramer, sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.10-plugins-[bad|ugly](-multiverse) |
| 21:12.52 | fredforfaen | stew , i did what you said ...now ivman worked ... but only once per device :\ |
| 21:12.54 | Guerin | well, at least gstreamer is honest about being bad and ugly |
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| 21:13.07 | zzz | Guerin: no, no, i mean when i want to switch between the resolutions like with ctrl+alt+(+/-) |
| 21:13.25 | yassine | stew, do you happen to have an idea why my fqdn is not reconized by my own box : - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'wunder-oase.de' error: Name or service not known |
| 21:13.33 | Supaplex | zzz: like xvidtune? I think... |
| 21:13.44 | Guerin | zzz: you want to do the same in text mode? I think svgatextmode is the package you want. |
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| 21:13.55 | creature | Guerin: Is my deduction about my old config correct? |
| 21:14.05 | zzz | Guerin: No, i want to make it for X.. . |
| 21:14.31 | fatsheep | it looks like I mistyped the root password when I was setting up debian, is there any way to reset the root password? |
| 21:14.47 | asg | fatsheep: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 21:14.53 | Guerin | zzz: xrandr? |
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| 21:15.06 | zzz | Supaplex: xvidtune works fine, thanks. |
| 21:15.29 | zzz | Guerin: xrandr too, thanks. |
| 21:15.49 | Supaplex | the sql database that is #debian :) |
| 21:16.16 | fatsheep | asg: is there a way to do that in grub? |
| 21:16.21 | Guerin | creature: yes. But if you're building a stock debian kernel you also want to use --initrd or such in the kp mantra |
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| 21:16.34 | cydork | fatsheep: read the factoid again |
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| 21:16.53 | creature | Guerin: I looked at the kp mantra, and it went right over my head. |
| 21:17.07 | Guerin | creature: just c&p it |
| 21:17.10 | Guerin | good and simple |
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| 21:17.14 | fatsheep | oooh oops |
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| 21:17.16 | fatsheep | missed that |
| 21:17.16 | Guerin | works every time |
| 21:17.28 | fatsheep | thx |
| 21:18.38 | jlmb | asg: What I don't seem to find is a way to set up the RAID independly to its partitions. |
| 21:18.42 | abrotman | fatsheep: roughly the same directions .. you can edit grub boot lines |
| 21:19.44 | asg | jlmb: hmmm, maybe someone else her knows of a FAQ or HOWTO |
| 21:19.48 | asg | *here |
| 21:20.19 | yassine | Guerin, thanks i found that i need to add ::myip myfqdn myalias |
| 21:20.25 | robin__sz | what package do I need to open .rar archives on Debian? |
| 21:20.35 | asg | robin__sz: rar and unrar (from non-free) |
| 21:20.55 | jlmb | asg: ok, thanks |
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| 21:21.32 | robin__sz | asg: ahh, non-free .. thats why I failed to find em. ta. |
| 21:22.18 | creature | OK, so consider dpkg's kp mantra. It says to add an initrd if I need one. Do I need one? And do I add it to both make-kpkg commands or just one of them? |
| 21:22.45 | asg | creature: that depends of if you configured your kernel with initrd support |
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| 21:23.59 | creature | asg - I don't know. I'm rebuilding a stock kernel. Does it need initrd support or not? |
| 21:24.19 | asg | creature: stock debian kernel with patches or one from kernel.org? |
| 21:24.39 | creature | asg: Stock debian kernel. It's from linux-tree-2.6.18. |
| 21:25.19 | asg | creature: then you will need --initrd |
| 21:25.37 | solemnwarning | Are there any command line programs that I can use to get the scancodes that are being entered from keyboards? |
| 21:26.00 | creature | asg - on which make-kpkg commands? |
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| 21:26.40 | asg | creature: the 'Add --initrd ...' bit in the factoid |
| 21:27.10 | creature | Oh yes. I wasn't reading properly. Apologies. |
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| 21:30.09 | humbolt | why is syslog-ng not standard in debian yet? |
| 21:30.28 | solemnwarning | humbolt: How old is it? |
| 21:30.29 | Guerin | humbolt: ask debian-devel mailing list |
| 21:30.36 | tarzeau | humbolt: because it's not using UDP |
| 21:30.38 | asg | humbolt: because it is slower and less efficient for most syslog tasks |
| 21:30.49 | alecjw | hi. when making an apt repository, it tells me to make binary-alpha, binary - amd64 etc folders. my packages are for all archs, so can i make a folder called bi9nary-all instead? |
| 21:30.50 | tarzeau | humbolt: feel free to use syslog-ng |
| 21:30.56 | alecjw | *binary-all |
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| 21:31.57 | kuko | hello |
| 21:32.07 | kuko | Just curious, Does anyone here know how i could get beryl? |
| 21:32.12 | tarzeau | kuko: no |
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| 21:32.44 | solemnwarning | Is there a program I can use to get the scancodes from all keyboards, including ones not attached to my SSH shell? |
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| 21:33.01 | shwag | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.10 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: yes uberkey |
| 21:33.32 | tarzeau | kuko: well from here maybe: http://www.beryl-project.org/ ? |
| 21:33.48 | tarzeau | or from deep inside a mountain |
| 21:33.51 | solemnwarning | Only 14 CDs *mutter*.... |
| 21:34.02 | tarzeau | it's a beautiful crystal |
| 21:34.27 | Caelum | every hour or so, my xorg freezes. I can't click on anything, ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't work, keyboard doesn't work, but the mouse pointer still moves. What could cause that? |
| 21:34.31 | simonrvn | beryls: ruby, sapphire, emerald |
| 21:34.37 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: it's not in debian i think |
| 21:34.44 | simonrvn | the most known ones |
| 21:35.05 | solemnwarning | Yeah, I downloaded it |
| 21:35.12 | solemnwarning | Can it show scancodes? |
| 21:35.16 | simonrvn | FYI, as if anyone cares |
| 21:35.17 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: yes |
| 21:35.23 | solemnwarning | How? |
| 21:35.26 | solemnwarning | --help was ignored |
| 21:35.28 | tarzeau | simonrvn: they are worth nothing in nethack |
| 21:35.35 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: UTSL |
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| 21:35.58 | solemnwarning | UTSL? |
| 21:36.01 | tarzeau | !UTSL |
| 21:36.01 | dpkg | methinks utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 21:36.17 | solemnwarning | hehe |
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| 21:37.30 | tarzeau | simonrvn: nothing like a few kilograms of pure gold, right? |
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| 21:38.12 | k-man__ | is reading from /dev/random usually very slow? |
| 21:38.20 | tarzeau | k-man__: yes |
| 21:38.21 | simonrvn | *shrug*, just another metal to me, that happens to be prettier than some. i like silver better though, not so hard on the eye |
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| 21:38.35 | tarzeau | k-man__: if you need random numbers use some random number generator, the one from GNU GSL is pretty good |
| 21:38.39 | k-man__ | tarzeau, is there a quick way to make a 500 meg file of random numbers? |
| 21:38.39 | tarzeau | k-man__: and fast too |
| 21:38.44 | tarzeau | k-man__: sure |
| 21:38.53 | ljkwef | read from /dev/urandom |
| 21:39.01 | tarzeau | ljkwef: that'll be VERY slow |
| 21:39.01 | plugwash | k-man_ depends how random they need to be ;) |
| 21:39.18 | ljkwef | urandom is faster than random, at least |
| 21:39.31 | k-man__ | ah, /dev/urandom is much faster |
| 21:39.32 | tarzeau | ljkwef: both are much slower than using some random number generator function |
| 21:39.33 | Caelum | k-man__: read from /dev/random while masturbating furiously with the mouse |
| 21:40.02 | streuner | haha |
| 21:40.09 | simonrvn | for 500 MB? for 2 hours straight |
| 21:40.09 | ljkwef | but a RNG function is very predictable. Its not suitable for cryptographic applications, if that is a requirement. |
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| 21:40.30 | k-man__ | Caelum, it's not much faster but it makes the wait so much more enjoyable |
| 21:40.32 | tarzeau | ljkwef: you didn't say for what you'll need it |
| 21:40.53 | k-man__ | ljkwef, so what should one use? |
| 21:41.02 | rahul | ljkwef: excuse me? |
| 21:41.06 | DaeJeon-Newbie | Hello guys, I want share a internet connection between linux and windowsxp. Here is the scenario.I have two lan-cards installed in my linux box .one card is connected with ISP's modem, and the 2nd card I want to connect with my pc (running windowsXP).do I need cross cable to connect ? If run dhcp server on linux box. will it help in order to share the internet connection? anyone knows how to do? |
| 21:41.10 | k-man__ | yeah, i want to make a container file for an encrypted file system |
| 21:41.13 | rahul | ljkwef: RC* are all RNGs. |
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| 21:41.32 | rahul | ljkwef: you must not trust ssl, then |
| 21:41.34 | ljkwef | rahul: you are correct of course. bad terminology |
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| 21:41.52 | tarzeau | DaeJeon-Newbie: you'll want to install iptables |
| 21:41.57 | ljkwef | I meant the type of RNGs you find in math libs |
| 21:41.58 | plugwash | generally for that you would use a cryptograpically strong rng, real random is generally unfeasible |
| 21:41.59 | simonrvn | rahul: not 100% no ;) |
| 21:42.09 | rahul | simonrvn: well... :) |
| 21:42.14 | solemnwarning | uberkey is getting input from the PS/2 keyboard but not the remote on my TV card :| |
| 21:42.22 | simonrvn | *sniff* *sniff* |
| 21:42.28 | alecjw | hi. when making an apt repository, it tells me to make binary-alpha, binary - amd64 etc folders. my packages are for all archs, so can i make a folder called binary-all instead? |
| 21:42.28 | solemnwarning | Even though the remote is working as a keyboard, but with weird scancodes |
| 21:42.29 | rahul | ljkwef: shrug... what do you think of the mersenne twister? |
| 21:42.35 | plugwash | urandom is i belive driven by a cryptorgraphically strong rng |
| 21:42.37 | k-man__ | DaeJeon-Newbie, you may or name not need a cross over cable, it depends if your network cards support automatic reverse connection detection |
| 21:42.46 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: remote on your tv card? |
| 21:42.54 | solemnwarning | Yeah |
| 21:42.57 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: tried xev? |
| 21:43.05 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: is that irda? |
| 21:43.11 | k-man__ | why is ther two random number generators? |
| 21:43.11 | solemnwarning | I don't want to use that, it would be a pain in the ass |
| 21:43.16 | plugwash | k-man_ its a few years since i've tried but i was under the impression that network cards generally didn't support auto mdi-x |
| 21:43.21 | simonrvn | DaeJeon-Newbie: if they're older cards, you'll need a x-over |
| 21:43.25 | k-man__ | or whats the difference between /dev/random and /dev/urandom? |
| 21:43.37 | tarzeau | k-man__: the kernel documentation tells |
| 21:43.40 | solemnwarning | This is a DVR hooked up to my TV, so I would need to mess with init-ng to make it stop starting it, then look at xev output on a TV |
| 21:43.45 | k-man__ | plugwash, oh, you may be correct, i'm not that sure either |
| 21:43.49 | ljkwef | rahul: I'm not qualified to comment on random number generation (aside from general knowledge). |
| 21:43.52 | plugwash | /dev/random is supposed to be real random data collected by the kernel from various sources |
| 21:43.57 | simonrvn | random use real entropy, urandom not |
| 21:44.00 | solemnwarning | Thats why I want some program I can run on my SSH connection to the box |
| 21:44.07 | rahul | well, then |
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| 21:44.17 | k-man__ | simonrvn, plugwash, thanks |
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| 21:44.51 | k-man__ | so i should use /dev/random for really random randomness |
| 21:44.59 | simonrvn | i keep forgetting to fix this fucking initrd |
| 21:45.04 | ljkwef | k_man: yes, if you can wait. |
| 21:45.27 | k-man__ | ljkwef, yeah, i can wait |
| 21:45.28 | k-man__ | thanks |
| 21:45.30 | solemnwarning | tarzeau: This is my /proc/bus/input/devices > http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/VfIsUA15.html |
| 21:45.32 | simonrvn | yes, and be prepared to run find or shake you mouse |
| 21:45.33 | k-man__ | gtg, thanks for your help guys. |
| 21:45.35 | k-man__ | byw |
| 21:45.36 | simonrvn | your* |
| 21:45.37 | k-man__ | bye |
| 21:45.55 | rahul | shake yo booty |
| 21:46.05 | simonrvn | !dance |
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| 21:46.27 | k-man__ | hmm... i wonder if you could use the irc connection as a source of random data? |
| 21:46.29 | ljkwef | say, does anyone know what is preventing debian live from using the ubuntu d-i stuff directly? |
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| 21:47.03 | ljkwef | k-man: using a public channel as a source of random data would be a bad idea. |
| 21:47.11 | Guerin | the ubuntu livecd is the worst one there is |
| 21:47.15 | simonrvn | k-man__: there's patches - that don't apply very well anymore - for network sourced entropy, but there risks involved with that |
| 21:47.26 | ljkwef | Guerin: why do you say that? |
| 21:47.47 | jelly | Can I have 802.1q (vlan) support in Linux if the card doesn't support it? |
| 21:47.47 | Guerin | but since it's developed directly from d-i, there's no reason why debian live couldn't use it if they chose |
| 21:47.51 | solemnwarning | A better source might be hashed entropy generated from somthing like a game server |
| 21:48.04 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 21:48.07 | Guerin | ljkwef: it takes about five times as long as all other livecds, and doesn't run unattended |
| 21:48.24 | ljkwef | Gaurin: what do you mean by running unattended? |
| 21:48.24 | Guerin | meaning you can't just stick it in the drive and go and make a cup of tea - you need to handhold it all the way |
| 21:48.27 | abrotman | solemnwarning: no it wouldn't |
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| 21:48.33 | sanity__ | hi |
| 21:48.38 | simonrvn | abrotman: why not? |
| 21:48.40 | solemnwarning | Why not? |
| 21:48.42 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: no idea |
| 21:48.42 | ljkwef | Guerin: when did you last try the ubuntu live cd? |
| 21:48.51 | solemnwarning | You could get a LOT of entropy from an UT 2004 server |
| 21:48.56 | simonrvn | Guerin: WorksHere. i just rebooted from it |
| 21:49.06 | tarzeau | ljkwef: i'm using make-live |
| 21:49.08 | sanity__ | what is the easiest way to migrate toward z debian 64 bit compiled ? |
| 21:49.09 | simonrvn | recent one... uh |
| 21:49.15 | simonrvn | 6.06 |
| 21:49.16 | Guerin | ljkwef: 6.04 or whenever the mid-year release was |
| 21:49.17 | abrotman | simonrvn: how would data from a game server be better than random network data ? |
| 21:49.17 | tarzeau | ljkwef: there's #debian-live on oftc, and i do livecd.gnustep.org using it |
| 21:49.20 | solemnwarning | Hash data from 2-3 servers together if you are that paranoid |
| 21:49.22 | Guerin | hm |
| 21:49.28 | sanity__ | i have a x686 install and my proc is amdK8 |
| 21:49.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: it wouldn't |
| 21:49.33 | simonrvn | abrotman: predicability |
| 21:49.33 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 21:49.35 | Caelum | new nics can sense crossover automatically? wow |
| 21:49.42 | Guerin | simonrvn: you say it boots without you having to select a locale and all that other shit? |
| 21:49.42 | sanity__ | easy and safe way to do this job |
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| 21:49.44 | abrotman | simonrvn: you can predict data from a game server ? |
| 21:49.46 | ljkwef | guerin: 6.04 was breezy, they have made substantial improvements since |
| 21:49.57 | simonrvn | Guerin: only thing i do is choose what type of boot |
| 21:50.02 | jelly | Guerin: that would be 6.06 ... there's 6.06.1 LTS and 6.10 now. |
| 21:50.06 | sanity__ | somebody use a 64 bit debian ? |
| 21:50.09 | Guerin | hm, maybe it's mislabelled then |
| 21:50.23 | sanity__ | to improve better calculation rate |
| 21:50.24 | solemnwarning | I guess I'll have to use xev on a TV >.< |
| 21:50.26 | Guerin | yeah, it's 6.0something, i don't have it to hand |
| 21:50.40 | simonrvn | abrotman: no, network. i'm saying it would be easier to manipulate data off the network than it would be from random people playing on a random game server |
| 21:50.44 | Guerin | but I was appalled |
| 21:50.45 | sanity__ | an idea ? |
| 21:50.54 | sanity__ | synaptic can help me ? |
| 21:50.58 | Guerin | simonrvn: no, you're breaking virgin territory. |
| 21:50.59 | ljkwef | tarzeau: but is the hardware support for something you produce with make-live comparable with ubuntu's live cd? |
| 21:51.01 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:51.07 | Guerin | sanity__: no, you're breaking virgin territory. |
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| 21:51.23 | simonrvn | Guerin: eh? |
| 21:51.26 | Guerin | ljkwef: don't see why not, hardware support is all in kernel. |
| 21:51.36 | Guerin | simonrvn: you're not sanity__ |
| 21:51.48 | simonrvn | you said the same thing to him/her |
| 21:51.48 | tarzeau | ljkwef: i'd say so, yes |
| 21:51.56 | simonrvn | oh, nm |
| 21:51.56 | jelly | ljkwef: there can't be comparable live support since ubuntu has even non-free drivers like ltmodem on the cd. |
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| 21:52.08 | tarzeau | Guerin: he means the automatic crap done by gnome (at the wrong place) |
| 21:52.08 | Guerin | simonrvn: because he likely didn't see that it was meant for him when it was said to you |
| 21:52.29 | simonrvn | i got it now |
| 21:53.24 | ljkwef | I think the real reason make-live couldn't be as good in the hardware support department as ubuntu live cd is that it hasn't gone through the testing that ubuntu has gone through. |
| 21:53.34 | Guerin | well |
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| 21:53.47 | Guerin | have you actually tested it? |
| 21:53.54 | Guerin | that seems likely, though, debian live is very new. |
| 21:54.09 | ljkwef | The ubuntu live cd has millions of users... |
| 21:54.15 | jelly | !debian live |
| 21:54.22 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's there for some time now |
| 21:54.23 | jelly | What is debian live? |
| 21:54.25 | streuner | ljkwef: OT |
| 21:54.27 | tarzeau | ljkwef: bullshit |
| 21:54.33 | Ronin | jelly: live debian cd of course |
| 21:54.37 | tarzeau | jelly: apt-cache show live-package |
| 21:54.41 | sanity__ | sorry my insistance but do a way to execute a linux 64 bit exist ? |
| 21:54.44 | simonrvn | millions? wtf? |
| 21:54.52 | tarzeau | ljkwef: popcon.ubuntu.com much less than popcon.debian.org |
| 21:54.54 | Guerin | simonrvn: #debian-amd64 for amd64 |
| 21:54.58 | Guerin | FUCK |
| 21:55.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 21:55.01 | cydork | jelly: also live.debian.net |
| 21:55.01 | tarzeau | simonrvn: he's a drugged junkie |
| 21:55.02 | ljkwef | simonrvn: its the default installer for ubuntu. There is no separation any more |
| 21:55.04 | Guerin | sanity__: #debian-amd64 for amd64 |
| 21:55.18 | tarzeau | ljkwef: STOP TALKING SUCH FUCKING BULLSHIT |
| 21:55.19 | Guerin | sanity__: but other 64-bit arches have been around since the year dot |
| 21:55.25 | tarzeau | ljkwef: ubuntu crap hasn't gone any fucking testing |
| 21:55.33 | tarzeau | ljkwef: it's full of creeping bugs |
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| 21:55.42 | tarzeau | ljkwef: that don't fucking get fixed. #UBUNTU |
| 21:55.43 | Ronin | tarzeau: sure they do, its called debian |
| 21:55.55 | multi_io | how do I do DNS reverse lookups from the command line again? |
| 21:56.01 | tarzeau | multi_io: using host |
| 21:56.02 | ljkwef | tarzeau: testing by its users I mean. not a formal QA process. |
| 21:56.03 | multi_io | host -t PTR ip ? |
| 21:56.15 | tarzeau | ljkwef: LIES. ALL. LIES. |
| 21:56.24 | jelly | Like Debian has a formal QA process? |
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| 21:56.33 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:56.39 | simonrvn | indeed hehehe |
| 21:56.44 | Ronin | least we do our own leg work :) |
| 21:56.46 | ljkwef | At least it has some QA policies... |
| 21:56.54 | Guerin | `it'? |
| 21:56.58 | jelly | ljkwef: hey, i can write policies too! |
| 21:57.01 | ljkwef | debian. |
| 21:57.03 | multi_io | tarzeau: ok |
| 21:57.05 | tarzeau | ljkwef: ubuntu has way less software, and it's way less tested |
| 21:57.14 | tarzeau | ljkwef: so what shit are you claiming? |
| 21:57.23 | cydork | ljkwef: ubuntu is off-topic.. |
| 21:57.39 | streuner | Ronin: some people think its a good idea to feed a troll |
| 21:57.57 | simonrvn | feeding trolls breeds more, then it gets stinkier |
| 21:58.11 | Guerin | the issue is not number of users - if it were, windows would be the most bestest OS ever. The issue is *type* of users, and the fact is that ubuntu, marketed as it is to new users, isn't plumbing a very deep QA pool. |
| 21:58.17 | streuner | the troll wins at the end.. |
| 21:58.17 | sanity__ | #debian-amd64 is leer |
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| 21:58.36 | ljkwef | Alright, I'll wrap it up then. I see Ubuntu is rather a touchy subject in #debian. Ubuntu syncs with debian unstable every release, so by definition it includes debian and then some. Its just not supportd. |
| 21:58.36 | simonrvn | streuner: if people actually actually bit |
| 21:58.41 | Caelum | hrm, I had driver "ati" instead of driver "radeon" in xorg.conf, does that make a difference? |
| 21:58.43 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 21:58.43 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.46 | Guerin | `and then some'? |
| 21:59.00 | blondie1 | nutzer? thema? |
| 21:59.00 | Guerin | ljkwef: it has less than a tenth of the packages... |
| 21:59.09 | tarzeau | ljkwef: ubuntu ships an x server which leaks horribly. unusable after one day |
| 21:59.14 | sanity__ | #debian-amd64 is empty, sorry (thanks www.wordreference, i am a french ;p) |
| 21:59.29 | simonrvn | try on irc.freenode.net? |
| 21:59.31 | ljkwef | Guerin: thats *supported* packages. If you include universe and multiverse, the latest edgy release is larger than etch. |
| 21:59.37 | simonrvn | er, nm |
| 21:59.37 | tarzeau | ljkwef: that means bugs fixed in sid, take half a year to get fix synchronized in ubutnu. |
| 21:59.39 | simonrvn | :) |
| 21:59.39 | streuner | sanity__: ah, you mean most people idle? well, have some patient. |
| 21:59.50 | Guerin | ljkwef: yes. |
| 21:59.55 | karsten | simonrvn: *Mine*! |
| 21:59.58 | concept10 | IMO, all distros suck in one way or another |
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| 22:00.02 | tarzeau | ljkwef: and the quality of that univers, multiverse, penisverse IS UTTER SHIT |
| 22:00.04 | simonrvn | karsten: no, really?! :P |
| 22:00.17 | simonrvn | "penisverse"? |
| 22:00.19 | ljkwef | tarzeau: why do you say that? |
| 22:00.19 | jelly | Will installing initng destroy my sanity and my testing installation? |
| 22:00.21 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 22:00.21 | dpkg | RHEL 0wnz! |
| 22:00.24 | tarzeau | ljkwef: because it's true |
| 22:00.25 | ljkwef | isn't that a bit extreme? |
| 22:00.30 | Guerin | ljkwef: if you include unsupported packages, then debian has all of marillat, rarewares and god knows how many upstream binaries |
| 22:00.30 | teledyn | concept10: i agree, its just finding the one that sucks the least :-) |
| 22:00.35 | tarzeau | ljkwef: no, it's objective |
| 22:00.37 | schme | concept10: You could just skip using 'em all. |
| 22:00.57 | ljkwef | tarzeau: could you elaborate perhaps? |
| 22:00.57 | karsten | tarzeau: What? No yoniverse? |
| 22:00.58 | concept10 | I agree that Ubuntu isn't tested enough, but Debian doesn't release fast enough. Where do you go? I have no clue. |
| 22:01.07 | karsten | concept10: Testing. |
| 22:01.15 | simonrvn | karsten: missing half the genitaliaverse |
| 22:01.16 | tarzeau | ljkwef: MAN ARE YOU NUTS? i explained to you in all detail |
| 22:01.27 | tarzeau | ljkwef: here i elobarte for you my friend; FUCK OFF |
| 22:01.29 | teledyn | concept10: i used sid for a long time, got worn out on the instability, tried ubuntu, and am not back using testing |
| 22:01.30 | concept10 | karsten, maybe thats where I need to go. |
| 22:01.32 | jelly | karsten: it would have to have had lingamverse then, not penisverse... |
| 22:01.32 | tarzeau | karsten: no pussyverse |
| 22:01.33 | schme | concept10: Debian releases fast enough for me, atleast. I have no problem running Stable on mostly all servers. |
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| 22:01.54 | Guerin | yeah, stable still does all it needs to for me |
| 22:01.54 | streuner | tarzeau: calm down. do you want feed the troll more? |
| 22:01.59 | concept10 | schme, I agree. Stable is the only choice for servers. |
| 22:02.01 | simonrvn | here we go, talking about sez again |
| 22:02.06 | simonrvn | fucking apes hehehe |
| 22:02.09 | ljkwef | concept10: I think saying that Debian doesn't release quickly enough is simplistic. There is a trade off to negotiate. |
| 22:02.10 | simonrvn | sex* |
| 22:02.18 | Guerin | I needed backports toward the end of woody, but nowadays it's rosy. |
| 22:02.21 | teledyn | schme: well i do on servers, especially when i need updated php/mysql/whatever and have to use backports |
| 22:02.22 | ljkwef | streuner: am I the troll? |
| 22:02.27 | streuner | sure |
| 22:02.34 | streuner | go away |
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| 22:02.43 | karsten | ljkwef: Yep. |
| 22:03.07 | ljkwef | well, sorry, I didn't mean to be. |
| 22:03.07 | schme | teledyn: Oh well... I never really had that problem, but I can see it if you really need bleeding edge technology (: |
| 22:03.13 | Ronin | simonrvn: one of my fav key combinations the other being /kbi |
| 22:03.24 | schme | concept10: Well.. I can think of a few other choices for some of my machines.. but mostly I'd agree :) |
| 22:03.26 | simonrvn | kbi? |
| 22:03.28 | karsten | Ronin: ? |
| 22:03.29 | ljkwef | I see debian's somewhat acidic disposition is not totally without merit. |
| 22:03.30 | teledyn | schme: there are other issues to - like serious lack of enterprise support/compatibility - for example with oracle |
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| 22:03.32 | Ronin | kick ban ignore |
| 22:03.40 | karsten | Ronin: Must be a macro. |
| 22:03.44 | Ronin | karsten: yep |
| 22:03.44 | cydork | heh |
| 22:03.46 | karsten | /kbi Ronin |
| 22:03.48 | karsten | Hrm. |
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| 22:03.51 | Ronin | heh |
| 22:03.54 | jelly | schme: hey, 2 year old versions are _not_ bleeding edge, but they still aren't there in stable. :-| |
| 22:03.54 | ljkwef | thank you all for the discussion. |
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| 22:04.27 | schme | jelly: No but they most likely are there in unstable. I just don't need anything newer than what I find in stable. |
| 22:04.30 | Guerin | tarzeau: i think you were too hard on him |
| 22:04.33 | teledyn | schme: for example vendors such as HP make their monitoring agents/utilities available for RPM distros but not debian, which can be a pain |
| 22:04.34 | schme | ok. back to tv |
| 22:04.40 | tarzeau | Guerin: did you read what he claimed? |
| 22:04.44 | concept10 | I used to like Ubuntu for desktop, and Sarge on server but Ubuntu just doesn't perform enough QA. The last release they blamed users for upgrading the wrong way. They want people to use update manager instead of dist-upgrade. WTF is this? Are they straying away from pure APT? Big mistake in my book., |
| 22:04.47 | tarzeau | Guerin: he can say anything but not lies |
| 22:04.49 | Guerin | yeah, it was bullshit |
| 22:04.55 | schme | teledyn: That coulde be a problem, I am sure. It is not for me. (: |
| 22:05.00 | tarzeau | Guerin: there's so many people in here, and if they all learn the wrong thing, and then tell their friends |
| 22:05.08 | tarzeau | Guerin: there's alread 1500 people with misinformation |
| 22:05.22 | tarzeau | Guerin: you know, i know. what about the rest? |
| 22:05.27 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:05.28 | tarzeau | Guerin: they'll all blindly trust him |
| 22:06.08 | jelly | concept10: well, upgrading from an arbitrary snapshot of sid to an arbitrary snapshot of sid 6 months later can be painful. |
| 22:06.28 | teledyn | concept10: i don't know what you're talking about wrt to ubuntu though. that doesn't sound right |
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| 22:07.04 | plugwash | concept10 note that debian themselves tell you to use aptitude rather than apt-get nowadays |
| 22:07.14 | plugwash | and to do some stuff before dist-upgrading |
| 22:07.22 | plugwash | at least they did for woody-sarge upgrades |
| 22:07.28 | streuner | that's up to every user here |
| 22:07.28 | jelly | It's called Teh Release Notes |
| 22:07.29 | teledyn | when you use apt in ubuntu it actually behaves like aptitude |
| 22:07.47 | streuner | teledyn: /msg dpkg topic |
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| 22:08.07 | tarzeau | has someone got OCR software that can do http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocr/tmp/X10006 |
| 22:08.35 | jelly | tarzeau: FuzzyOCR no workie? |
| 22:08.41 | concept10 | teledyn, check the developers blawgs and you shall see they blamed users. There was a script that migrated users /etc/fstab that didn't mount swap. That script should work no matter what way you upgrade. It just didnt work period. |
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| 22:08.49 | tarzeau | jelly: haven't tried. only tried with gocr/tesseract-ocr |
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| 22:09.21 | tarzeau | jelly: there's a deb package yet? |
| 22:09.26 | solemnwarning | Ok, after the torture of using xev on a PAL TV I have the scancodes for my remote! |
| 22:09.27 | solemnwarning | yay |
| 22:09.32 | jelly | tarzeau: they have patches for gocr that may or may not have found their way to upstream |
| 22:09.35 | Guerin | concept10: this depends on notification |
| 22:09.39 | cydork | tarzeau: how did the gocr do? |
| 22:09.40 | solemnwarning | Now what program should I use to remap the keycodes in X? |
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| 22:09.46 | jelly | tarzeau: no, there's no deb yet afaik |
| 22:09.51 | Guerin | concept10: there should have been something in the script which went `oy, this isn't going to work unless' |
| 22:09.52 | tarzeau | cydork: pretty bad |
| 22:10.09 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: xmodmap? |
| 22:10.15 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 22:10.16 | Guerin | concept10: it's legitimate to want to move from one upgrade mechanism to another, even if it is unwise in this case |
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| 22:10.28 | jelly | tarzeau: We have some custom spamassassin packages here and will possibly make one |
| 22:10.37 | teledyn | wow some people here are pretty bitter about ubuntu. what's up with that? can't use the word in this channel without people going ballistic. |
| 22:10.40 | timmy06 | how can i make it so that when i try to ssh or scp, i am automatically granted access without having to type a password? anyone know a website that explains how this is done? |
| 22:10.46 | concept10 | Guerin, I forgot the name of the new interface, but the script migrated regular fstab to mounting drives using UUIDs. (I think it is called PATA?) |
| 22:10.46 | tarzeau | jelly: also for debian? |
| 22:10.49 | cydork | tarzeau: oh ok |
| 22:10.57 | tarzeau | teledyn: you can, just don't tell lies |
| 22:11.30 | Guerin | teledyn: yeah, we don't get so many ubuntu users in here now, but it still pisses people off. |
| 22:11.43 | streuner | well, that reminds me to 'fable' |
| 22:11.43 | Ronin | teledyn: we get tired of ubuntu users not being able to read and come here for support when theres a perfectly good #ubuntu |
| 22:11.47 | jelly | tarzeau: yep, we use stable as base. |
| 22:11.57 | Guerin | timmy06: google ssh unattended |
| 22:11.57 | streuner | read, what 'greycat' tell us, and you unterstand what's going on.. |
| 22:12.03 | teledyn | tarzeau: you mean people's claims about ubuntu - or they're lying that their using debian in order to get support here? |
| 22:12.07 | tarzeau | jelly: so do we, @werk |
| 22:12.07 | timmy06 | Guerin: thanks! |
| 22:12.15 | tarzeau | teledyn: first |
| 22:12.22 | streuner | tarzeau: re-read fable |
| 22:12.30 | Ronin | teledyn: both actually i swear |
| 22:12.35 | tarzeau | streuner: you mean the story from greycat? |
| 22:12.36 | Guerin | timmy06: it's quite insecure; would suggest not using it unless you utterly strust the physical security of all hosts involved. |
| 22:12.39 | karsten | teledyn: By the time the discussion gets sorted it's well off-topic for #debian. There's #debian-offtopic (or #ubuntu FWIW) if you really insist. |
| 22:12.40 | streuner | tarzeau: sure |
| 22:12.41 | teledyn | Ronin: i agree. too bad also that the #ubuntu channels are often full of inane banter |
| 22:12.48 | tarzeau | streuner: i've read it |
| 22:12.56 | Ronin | teledyn: you mean like what we have here now? ;) |
| 22:12.57 | tarzeau | streuner: what do you want to tell me? |
| 22:13.00 | streuner | tarzeau: well, it seems to me you forgot it |
| 22:13.05 | tarzeau | streuner: no i don't |
| 22:13.11 | karsten | teledyn: ... because they're not aggressively and ruthlessly policed. |
| 22:13.15 | teledyn | Ronin: no. unimaginabley worse :-( |
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| 22:14.20 | plugwash | ubuntu universe is particularlly bad, it imports from sid without any rc bug checking at all |
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| 22:14.44 | jazbo2188 | Hey folks I'm thinking about buying a voice recorder that has a USB connector. The product info claims that the product is "in the USB mass storage class" and the technical specification says "Card Format SSFDC forum- SmartMedia format". Anyone care to guess if this will work with debian or not? |
| 22:14.45 | plugwash | though i belive they are considering changing that |
| 22:14.51 | jelly | plugwash: they would be a lot better if they took packages from testing. |
| 22:15.00 | tarzeau | jelly: i don't think so |
| 22:15.12 | tarzeau | jelly: but syncing the sid packages more often with manual checking would be great |
| 22:15.17 | teledyn | i am curious though about how apt in ubuntu behaves like apt - is that just a matter of symlinking apt to aptitude? does anyone know? |
| 22:15.20 | tarzeau | but then they don't have the resources for that manual work |
| 22:15.28 | plugwash | jelly i belive they are planning to run thier own copy of britney |
| 22:15.36 | teledyn | s/behaves like apt/behaves like aptitude/ |
| 22:15.41 | jazbo2188 | I just want to be able to grab files of the voice recorder as I would for ex. a usb thumb drive |
| 22:16.02 | jelly | plugwash: ah, and have their own testing. |
| 22:16.11 | netgod | jazbo2188: my bet is it will work; everything pretends to be a disk drive these days, and linux loves it |
| 22:16.56 | plugwash | teledyn ubuntus apt-get does not seem to be a symlink to anything, and besides i'm not convinced it behaves entirely like aptitude though it does seem to have borrowed some features from it |
| 22:16.59 | solemnwarning | How can I use xmodmap to set a scancode to another scancode instead of a scancode to a keyname? |
| 22:17.21 | plugwash | if you really wan't to know how they patched it grab thier source and take a look |
| 22:17.27 | karsten | jazbo2188: First step is to Just Try It[tm]. If it works, great. If it doesn't, sort through any output as to why. |
| 22:17.33 | teledyn | plugwash: the main one being that it tracks what gets installed as a dependency and asks to remove them later when it gets uninstalled |
| 22:17.35 | streuner | tarzeau: Debian began to prosper and to spread its ideas far and wide, and the population of Debianland grew, as populations of the breathing-and-eating kinds of people are wont to do. When new people suddenly come into existence, they are quite ignorant, for they lack the rich heritage and experience of the people who have been around for a while. The new people demanded care and attention, and they had neither manners nor respect for rules |
| 22:17.35 | streuner | . They did not read the instructions that the elders laid before them, nor did they put thought or time into their questions. They were incapable of caring for themselves, and had to be diapered and fed and burped. Those that could not grow beyond the infant stage were cast out of the Channel. |
| 22:18.09 | Ronin | streuner: heh i love that one |
| 22:18.18 | pickcoder | how do you code regex for a substring match.. I've tried (.*) and (.*?) as start/end wildcards |
| 22:18.19 | Guerin | wtf did you paste it for |
| 22:18.24 | Guerin | can't people follow urls any more? |
| 22:18.27 | tarzeau | streuner: yes that's great |
| 22:18.35 | tarzeau | streuner: and who's here to cast them out now? |
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| 22:18.45 | tarzeau | streuner: nobody. how's that my problem? why do you ask me to read it again? |
| 22:18.52 | streuner | Guerin: tarzeau asked for a special part of it..., sorry. |
| 22:18.58 | Guerin | jelly: peterS make a script to do build-dep or something |
| 22:19.03 | tarzeau | Guerin, streuneri knew that part already |
| 22:19.14 | tarzeau | streuner: i don't know why you think i asked for that part. i know the fable very well |
| 22:19.16 | streuner | tarzeau: because, it seems to me, you forgot that part :-) |
| 22:19.23 | tarzeau | streuner: and i whole heartedly agree to it |
| 22:19.31 | tarzeau | streuner: i think you don't understand the story |
| 22:19.37 | streuner | ok, you't don't care then, today :-) |
| 22:19.38 | tarzeau | streuner: was genau willst du mir sagen? |
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| 22:19.43 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me an rtf viewer for the console? i know i can use ted and abiword on x |
| 22:19.45 | jelly | Guerin: really? can you point to url or google keywords? |
| 22:19.47 | teledyn | streuner: i agree that a kind of insolence and impatience lies behind much of recent phenomena |
| 22:19.49 | tarzeau | streuner: i am not an op to kick people out without manners |
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| 22:20.01 | tarzeau | gnudo: unrtf? |
| 22:20.07 | Guerin | gnudo: dunno if there is one for console ... i think there might be an rtftopdf or something |
| 22:20.14 | penguin | Is it possible to have GNOME browse a windows network? |
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| 22:20.32 | Guerin | penguin: yes, using samba. |
| 22:20.35 | plugwash | rahul do you know if there is a cvsweb or similar for cvs.debian.org |
| 22:20.46 | rahul | plugwash: just that |
| 22:20.47 | penguin | I have Samba set up and GNome is not browsing |
| 22:21.00 | rahul | plugwash: there's some sort of exploit for the code, tho |
| 22:21.00 | tarzeau | streuner: i really, still, don't get your point. |
| 22:21.04 | Guerin | jelly: p12n.org/hacks from memory |
| 22:21.09 | penguin | smbclient -L LInuxcomputer lists all the computers on the network. |
| 22:21.09 | teledyn | penguin: there are apps like xsmbbrowser and the like which give you a gui |
| 22:21.18 | rahul | plugwash: a cross-site-scripting attack |
| 22:21.32 | gnudo | i am not asking for a converter but just a viewer |
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| 22:22.54 | plugwash | rahul do you have any clue where it would be on there? |
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| 22:23.07 | rahul | plugwash: nope :\ |
| 22:23.20 | rahul | plugwash: email that fellow I told you about. |
| 22:23.26 | jelly | Guerin: Thanks, that's it. ianadd, and I mostly can't map irc nicks to actual names |
| 22:23.37 | teledyn | gnudo: unrtf |
| 22:24.00 | abrotman | HI |
| 22:24.21 | Guerin | gnudo: unrtf |less? |
| 22:24.21 | cydork | !blame abrotman |
| 22:24.30 | abrotman | !hire cydork |
| 22:24.41 | cydork | yay i got a job! :P |
| 22:25.02 | Guerin | now you can move out of your parents' basement |
| 22:25.22 | tarzeau | cydork: congrats |
| 22:25.47 | cydork | tarzeau: Guerin: thanks :P |
| 22:25.51 | teledyn | unrtf outputs to STDOUT by default |
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| 22:26.02 | Guerin | mm, never used it |
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| 22:27.04 | gnudo | Guerin: have you tried your own suggestion? no it does not work nor do what i want |
| 22:27.11 | Guerin | gnudo: no, i haven't |
| 22:27.20 | gnudo | there you are! |
| 22:27.22 | Guerin | gnudo: but since I don't know what you want ... well. |
| 22:27.28 | plugwash | btw the reason i'm interested in the packages.debian.org code is because woody will presumablly dissapear from packages.debian.org when etch releases |
| 22:27.42 | abrotman | Guerin: RTF is an open format |
| 22:27.43 | Guerin | plugwash: i think it gets another 6 months or so |
| 22:27.51 | Guerin | abrotman: yes, I know this. |
| 22:27.57 | Guerin | though not well-supported |
| 22:27.59 | abrotman | so why antiword it ? |
| 22:28.07 | abrotman | sure it is .. even wordpad supports it :) |
| 22:28.13 | Guerin | abrotman: i didn't say my thinking was *rational* |
| 22:29.06 | gnudo | can anyone recommend me an rtf viewer for the *console*? Not a converter! i but a console rtf editor would be nice... |
| 22:29.27 | tarzeau | oh well |
| 22:29.32 | tarzeau | i like mcedit |
| 22:29.33 | Guerin | gnudo: how would a console display the various font, image and formatting requirements? |
| 22:29.38 | tarzeau | some prefer emacs |
| 22:29.43 | blondie1 | Guerin: there's one for word docs :P |
| 22:29.44 | tarzeau | Guerin: it woudln't |
| 22:29.53 | jelly | Guerin: Like Wordperfect 5.1 for DOS did. :-P |
| 22:30.39 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to set keycode 160 to F3 using xmodmap, but "keycode 160 = F3" isn't working, what should I use? |
| 22:30.51 | Guerin | blondie1: For console? |
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| 22:31.01 | Guerin | mostly they just convert to POT and let you read that |
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| 22:31.07 | HP_ | hello all |
| 22:31.17 | abrotman | gnudo: what size fonts does your console use ? |
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| 22:32.05 | blondie1 | Guerin: yes |
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| 22:32.32 | gnudo | abrotman: how can i find that out? |
| 22:32.43 | abrotman | gnudo: it was a joke |
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| 22:34.06 | atula | how do I enable hyperthreading in a dual processor computer? is it simply a few commands on the terminal or is it something more complex in concept? |
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| 22:34.15 | Guerin | blondie1: which? |
| 22:34.20 | gnudo | Guerin: most rtf files i have encountered had no images and were basically text in a nioce format |
| 22:34.20 | De_Mon | blink blink |
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| 22:34.31 | blondie1 | Guerin: POT? |
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| 22:34.36 | abrotman | atula: did you compile your own ? |
| 22:34.41 | streuner | !POT |
| 22:34.41 | dpkg | somebody said pot was what dd's smoke and eat, or the primary reason for weird commits from the Dutch developers Yummmmmm.... |
| 22:34.42 | Guerin | blondie1: Plain Old Text |
| 22:34.49 | Guerin | !pot is also Plain Old Text |
| 22:34.49 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 22:34.51 | atula | no |
| 22:35.05 | atula | abrotman, no. I didn't compile my own kernel. |
| 22:35.07 | HP_ | does anyone in here not have root? |
| 22:35.11 | Guerin | gnudo: yeah ... unrtf does that, but outputs in html |
| 22:35.12 | atula | abrotman, should I have done that? |
| 22:35.15 | abrotman | atula: no |
| 22:35.22 | Guerin | gnudo: ugly html, but html nonetheless |
| 22:35.25 | abrotman | atula: cat /proc/version .. what does it say ? |
| 22:35.27 | streuner | HP_: Most of us, why? |
| 22:35.38 | krenin | Hi folks. |
| 22:35.48 | streuner | HP_: (most have root) |
| 22:35.51 | HP_ | was gonna try somthin |
| 22:35.53 | overpointe | What's the difference between an .o and .so file? |
| 22:35.53 | atula | abrotman, Linux version 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 22:36.14 | tarzeau | overpointe: what says file on the files? |
| 22:36.20 | Guerin | overpointe: one is an object, the other is a shared object ;) |
| 22:36.25 | abrotman | atula: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 22:36.25 | tarzeau | overpointe: one is an object file, the other a shared object file? |
| 22:36.31 | Guerin | tarzeau: pwnt |
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| 22:36.37 | abrotman | atula: that should get you set |
| 22:36.37 | benoitc_ | hi all |
| 22:36.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: BANG! BANG! BANG! |
| 22:36.45 | abrotman | ack .. frenchie! |
| 22:36.46 | atula | abrotman, so smp is the thing that make hyperthreading work? |
| 22:36.48 | tarzeau | Guerin: and .ko files are kernel object files |
| 22:36.50 | abrotman | !ht |
| 22:36.51 | dpkg | [ht] Haiti. HyperThreading, a technology from intel included in processors from the P4 3.05 GHz, that emulates two processors in a single cpu machine You must enable CONFIG_ACPI_HT, CONFIG_SMP and CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY in your kernel to use it.. Or install a -2.6-686-smp kernel |
| 22:36.55 | Guerin | tarzeau: only in 2.6 |
| 22:36.56 | abrotman | atula: see :) |
| 22:36.59 | benoitc_ | i'm trying to install aptitude and have this error : The following packages have unmet dependencies: aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.2-3-2-3.2 |
| 22:37.06 | abrotman | apt-get update ? |
| 22:37.06 | benoitc_ | any idee what's going on ? |
| 22:37.08 | tarzeau | Guerin: true, nothing beats .m files which are objective-c files |
| 22:37.13 | Guerin | blondie1: mixing distributions is unwise |
| 22:37.14 | atula | I see. okay |
| 22:37.16 | overpointe | Thanks, tarzeau. I'm trying to get my GeForce FX 5200 card to display graphics in test mode. |
| 22:37.18 | atula | abrotman, thanks. |
| 22:37.20 | plugwash | is there really a config called CONFIG_CPU_LOBOTOMY?! |
| 22:37.31 | krenin | Is hyperthreading significantly faster than regular CPU use? |
| 22:37.40 | abrotman | plugwash: i don't think it's there anymore |
| 22:37.47 | tarzeau | overpointe: did you dandle with nvidia-driver yet? |
| 22:37.47 | abrotman | krenin: no .. sometimes it's even slower |
| 22:37.52 | krenin | Whoa. |
| 22:37.54 | Guerin | plugwash: not in my configs |
| 22:38.07 | overpointe | And I see were some of the drivers are that run the card in X mode, so I was figuring that they would work in mplayer, but NOPE!!! |
| 22:38.09 | plugwash | abrotman what did it used to do (if it ever existed)? |
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| 22:38.25 | abrotman | i think it did anyways |
| 22:38.34 | HP_ | in the debian install, if i dont select any kind of software to install, (desktop, wenserver, ect...) and just hit ok... is it downloading just the main ystem? |
| 22:38.36 | abrotman | plugwash: does'nt matter .. HT isn't useful |
| 22:38.37 | HP_ | system*** |
| 22:38.39 | overpointe | tarzeau, I see some drive that came with vidix, but I didn't look inside of it. |
| 22:38.41 | abrotman | HP_: yes |
| 22:38.44 | HP_ | awsome |
| 22:38.48 | benoitc_ | abrotman: it change nothing ... |
| 22:39.01 | HP_ | thank u abrotman |
| 22:39.31 | blondie1 | Guerin: what? |
| 22:39.42 | abrotman | benoitc_: paste the whole error |
| 22:39.43 | abrotman | !paster |
| 22:39.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:39.46 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:39.46 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:39.50 | simonrvn | there, that initrd at least has an fsck in it... |
| 22:39.52 | Guerin | blondie1: i'm retarded, don't mind me |
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| 22:40.01 | blondie1 | ! |
| 22:40.16 | Guerin | i blame the fact that there aren't enough letters for everyone's nick to start with a different one |
| 22:40.26 | Guerin | now, if we were chinese ... I'd be sweet |
| 22:40.27 | krenin | I'm running the default Debian kernel, except I recompiled it for K6/K6-2/K6-III. Would it be much faster if I took out the unnecessary kernel options, etc? |
| 22:40.37 | benoitc_ | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/3728/ |
| 22:40.41 | Guerin | krenin: not really. |
| 22:40.44 | tarzeau | streuner: can you check something for me? |
| 22:40.58 | streuner | tarzeau: hm? |
| 22:40.58 | simonrvn | 2000 characters in common usage, plus another 2000-3000 for literary use... yeh i think so =) |
| 22:41.07 | tarzeau | streuner: was kostn 500 g weizenkeime bei euch? |
| 22:41.09 | Guerin | krenin: mind benchmarking the two kernels just for s&g? |
| 22:41.15 | rahul | all I want is a browser where I can drag tabs around |
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| 22:41.16 | krenin | Guerin: Ah. Well I did see some improvement going from i486 to K6... |
| 22:41.25 | abrotman | benoitc_: is that ubuntu ? |
| 22:41.25 | simonrvn | rahul: all of them do that |
| 22:41.29 | rahul | does that require more than 256MB RAM?!? |
| 22:41.31 | benoitc_ | abrotman: no debian |
| 22:41.33 | krenin | Guerin: Got some processes going now; I can do it later; will you be on the channel later? |
| 22:41.38 | rahul | simonrvn: I haven't seen one that does |
| 22:41.39 | abrotman | benoitc_: sid ? |
| 22:41.44 | rahul | simonrvn: other than galeon |
| 22:41.51 | simonrvn | rahul: O_O what have you been using? |
| 22:41.54 | benoitc_ | woody normally but was in testing |
| 22:41.56 | abrotman | benoitc_: apt-cache policy aptitude .. paste that |
| 22:41.57 | rahul | simonrvn: firefox |
| 22:41.57 | Guerin | krenin: probably not, just stick 'em on a webpage with a url in dpkg or something |
| 22:42.02 | rahul | simonrvn: mozilla |
| 22:42.07 | krenin | Guerin: What should I use to benchmark the kernels? |
| 22:42.08 | simonrvn | try using the middle mouse. yes, that works, just gotta wait |
| 22:42.14 | rahul | simonrvn: and, keep it a secret, IE |
| 22:42.21 | simonrvn | middle mouse for konq, leftr for the rest |
| 22:42.22 | Guerin | krenin: cpuburn or soemthign I suppose |
| 22:42.23 | fas3r | hi all |
| 22:42.23 | rahul | simonrvn: middle mouse to drag a tab? |
| 22:42.29 | benoitc_ | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/3729/ |
| 22:42.39 | simonrvn | in knoqueror yeh... odd, but whateva |
| 22:42.56 | abrotman | benoitc_: uhm .. you realize woody doesn't get security updates anymore .. right ? |
| 22:43.04 | simonrvn | they all do it now |
| 22:43.10 | rahul | simonrvn: and you can drag from one window to another? |
| 22:43.12 | abrotman | benoitc_: paste your sources .. /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:43.16 | simonrvn | well, i haven't use IE in years |
| 22:43.18 | rahul | simonrvn: detach a tab into a separate window? |
| 22:43.27 | simonrvn | not sure, haven't tried that |
| 22:43.31 | rahul | simonrvn: I don't care what IE can or cannot do :) |
| 22:43.32 | simonrvn | some do |
| 22:43.33 | streuner | tarzeau: http://www.achaldan-biomarkt-onlineshop.de/?open=25&showgroup=75&set=&product=8822 |
| 22:43.35 | krenin | Guerin: OK I might put the results on the dpkg bot... |
| 22:43.37 | benoitc_ | abrotman: yes i had security |
| 22:43.50 | craigevil | middle mouse button works to drag tabs in Konqueror, firefox/iceweasel left button works |
| 22:43.52 | simonrvn | tab implementation varies still :) |
| 22:44.05 | simonrvn | craigevil: i think i said that already |
| 22:44.16 | tarzeau | streuner: gleich wie bei uns. danke |
| 22:44.24 | rahul | simonrvn: I don't care _how_ to do it. I just want a browser with a small footprint that _can_ do these things |
| 22:44.26 | benoitc_ | abrotman: http://dpaste.com/3730/ |
| 22:45.26 | Guerin | ah, linus again misses the boat |
| 22:45.48 | abrotman | benoitc_: x86 ? |
| 22:45.59 | simonrvn | FF you need v 2,x to do it by default, detaching tabs (i *think*), or an extension; mozilla i believe you can't detach at all; konq does by default, but middle mouse drag; galeon, you know |
| 22:46.08 | diskus | Guerin: linus or Linus?-) |
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| 22:46.16 | benoitc_ | abrotman: yes |
| 22:46.17 | simonrvn | w3m you can't do any of those :P |
| 22:46.22 | Guerin | diskus: [Ll]inus |
| 22:46.26 | simonrvn | except have tabs open ;p |
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| 22:46.59 | simonrvn | small footprint is another matter ;) |
| 22:47.52 | abrotman | benoitc_: that package it's looking for is a virtual package |
| 22:48.06 | abrotman | benoitc_: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 .. waht does it say ? |
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| 22:48.19 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 22:48.22 | Seb | i have a wifi interface that's named wlan0_rename |
| 22:48.36 | Seb | this is a bit long to type, why is it not simply wlan0 ? |
| 22:48.43 | benoitc_ | abrotman: ii apt 0.6.46.2~bpo.1 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 22:48.44 | simonrvn | yo |
| 22:48.50 | abrotman | benoitc_: uhm ... |
| 22:49.05 | abrotman | benoitc_: that's really bad |
| 22:49.35 | benoitc_ | abrotman: ? what's the problem exactly ? |
| 22:49.36 | abrotman | benoitc_: you're using backports intended for sarge on woody |
| 22:49.57 | benoitc_ | mmmmm |
| 22:50.00 | abrotman | and if that's the case .. backports.org also has aptitude |
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| 22:50.29 | benoitc_ | hum |
| 22:51.13 | abrotman | as would i |
| 22:51.19 | abrotman | benoitc_: what does this system do ? |
| 22:52.07 | simonrvn | pick boogers from your friend's nose |
| 22:52.08 | benoitc_ | server |
| 22:52.20 | benoitc_ | webserver & mail |
| 22:52.23 | simonrvn | see? |
| 22:52.51 | krenin | You can pick your friends; you can pick your nose; but you can't pick your friends' noses. |
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| 22:53.15 | abrotman | you can |
| 22:53.21 | simonrvn | krenin: see, that's why you have a server do it |
| 22:53.34 | krenin | abrotman: Yes, but you'd be likely to get slapped shortly thereafter. |
| 22:53.35 | benoitc_ | well is there any possibility to force use aof aptitude in woody ? |
| 22:53.42 | krenin | Heh heh. |
| 22:53.51 | abrotman | benoitc_: okay .. your machine is using backports for sarge, it hasn't had security support in six months, and etch is about to be released |
| 22:53.51 | simonrvn | dude |
| 22:54.01 | abrotman | dudette ? |
| 22:54.01 | simonrvn | think about this |
| 22:54.04 | plugwash | benoitc_ it sounds like you already have a mixed woody/sarge system |
| 22:54.13 | abrotman | simonrvn: pigs in a blanket ? |
| 22:54.19 | solemnwarning | Whats the bash equiv of while(1) { ? } |
| 22:54.21 | simonrvn | naw |
| 22:54.27 | abrotman | solemnwarning: ask #bash |
| 22:54.28 | simonrvn | i already ate |
| 22:54.31 | benoitc_ | yes but will miss some packages i think |
| 22:54.41 | plugwash | benoitc_ i'd change the main lines in your sources.list to sarge and reenable the sarge-backports line |
| 22:54.48 | abrotman | okay .. then use a system from 2001 .. what do we care |
| 22:54.53 | plugwash | then apt-get update |
| 22:54.59 | plugwash | then apt-get -t sarge-backports install aptitude |
| 22:55.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: better to use one from 1997 (OPENSTEP 4.2) |
| 22:55.03 | plugwash | then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:55.09 | abrotman | yeah |
| 22:55.14 | simonrvn | i do. i don't feel like having another linux system attacking my hosts |
| 22:55.14 | abrotman | !woody->sarge |
| 22:55.14 | dpkg | First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes>, or serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html |
| 22:55.19 | plugwash | then you should have a sane unmixed system |
| 22:55.28 | penguin | xsmbrowser does not quite work right |
| 22:55.40 | abrotman | neither does SMB :) |
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| 22:55.59 | simonrvn | neither does win* |
| 22:56.03 | plugwash | abrotman i basically gave the standard woody-sarge upgrade instructions but reccomended using a sarge-backports aptitude as he already seems to have a sarge-backports apt |
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| 22:56.22 | benoitc_ | mmm ok |
| 22:56.27 | benoitc_ | let's go for sarge so |
| 22:56.33 | plugwash | sorry last line should be aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:56.42 | simonrvn | yay, join the 21st century :P |
| 22:56.55 | abrotman | hey .. woody was released in 2001 |
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| 22:56.58 | abrotman | !woody |
| 22:56.58 | dpkg | well, woody is the previous stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 22:57.03 | abrotman | whoa .. 2002 |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | !potato |
| 22:57.07 | dpkg | i heard potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 22:57.10 | abrotman | oh jeez .. |
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| 22:57.15 | benoitc_ | hum there server has this age |
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| 23:00.00 | benoitc_ | ahaha that's going fun : http://dpaste.com/3731/ |
| 23:00.38 | streuner | benoitc_: show us your sources.list |
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| 23:02.20 | benoitc_ | streuner: http://dpaste.com/3732/ |
| 23:02.40 | simonrvn | blah blah blah :P |
| 23:02.51 | benoitc_ | mmm? |
| 23:02.57 | plugwash | try apt-get -t sarge-backports install aptitude |
| 23:04.07 | benoitc_ | plugwash: i did |
| 23:04.10 | benoitc_ | no success |
| 23:04.23 | plugwash | paste the output of trying it then |
| 23:05.10 | benoitc_ | plugwash: http://dpaste.com/3733/ |
| 23:05.10 | HP_ | wow |
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| 23:05.19 | plugwash | i said -t sarge-backports |
| 23:05.37 | benoitc_ | the same sory |
| 23:05.56 | benoitc_ | http://dpaste.com/3734/ |
| 23:06.49 | plugwash | try apt-get -t sarge-backports install aptitude libapt-pkg-libc6.3 |
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| 23:08.35 | streuner | benoitc_: apt-cache policy aptitude |
| 23:08.35 | benoitc_ | E: Couldn't find package libapt-pkg-libc6.3 |
| 23:09.07 | benoitc_ | streuner: now this is : http://dpaste.com/3735/ |
| 23:09.42 | pickcoder | is anyone here good with apache redirect scripting? |
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| 23:10.03 | plugwash | benoitc_ sorry i cut off the end of my last reccomendation it should be |
| 23:10.08 | plugwash | apt-get -t sarge-backports install aptitude libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.3 |
| 23:10.26 | benoitc_ | ahhh yest it works |
| 23:10.28 | Jassossovinik | I'm looking for an irc bouncer that can: allow multiple users on multiple servers and doesn't require ident for auth purposes. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 23:10.32 | benoitc_ | thanks |
| 23:10.37 | octobre | hi everybody, does anyone know if mdadm grow mode is yet capable of adding extra devices ? |
| 23:10.46 | plugwash | remember to check what it plans to do before saying yes |
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| 23:11.05 | benoitc_ | just install aptitude |
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| 23:11.38 | plugwash | good good |
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| 23:11.54 | benoitc_ | thanks :) |
| 23:13.11 | plugwash | once aptitude is installed you should be able to use it to dist-upgrade but do always check what it plans to do before saying yes, i've had systems where aptitude dist-upgrade wanted to remove stuff that i didn't want removing |
| 23:13.33 | octobre | does anyone had an experience with mdadm --grow ? i would really be thankfull if someone has some information to share |
| 23:14.56 | Guerin | the main thing with dist-upgrade is that you must be prepared to uninstall non-creticial things, on the basis that you'll be able to reinstall them later |
| 23:15.13 | Guerin | someties they won't upgrade clean, but if you remove them, upgrade and reinstall later all will be roses |
| 23:15.26 | tosh| | whats the name of the debian unstable package for rndc and rndc-confgen? (for use with bind9) |
| 23:15.46 | benoitc_ | plugwash: k and thanks :) |
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| 23:18.14 | plugwash | Guerin the biggest problem i had with dist-upgrade was it wanted to remove sendmail and install exim4 |
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| 23:18.29 | Guerin | plugwash: perfectly sensible. |
| 23:18.34 | plugwash | the last thing i wan't is a mta i haven't configured running on my server and accepting mail |
| 23:18.41 | Guerin | :) |
| 23:19.15 | plugwash | and it persisted in trying to do this even after i pre-upgraded sendmail |
| 23:19.50 | plugwash | in the end i had to use apt-get upgrade, do a load manually and that finally made apt-get dist-upgrade behave sensiblly (aptitude dist-upgrade still wanted to remove sendmail) |
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| 23:20.03 | jugglinx | which package i need for run glx-gears? |
| 23:20.14 | limesoap | I am on Etch running X.org 7.1 and I have a Radeon ATI X600 on my laptop. Does anyone know what I need to run these composite window managers? |
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| 23:27.29 | streuner | limesoap: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 23:27.44 | streuner | jugglinx: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:27.50 | creature | With wifi, what's a good value for the "quality" parameter in the output of iwconfig? |
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| 23:29.44 | cahoot | 100/100 seems acceptable |
| 23:30.50 | creature | Mine is out of 70 on one of these machines, and out of 94 on the other. |
| 23:30.53 | creature | What's that all about? |
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| 23:31.29 | plugwash | different drivers i guess |
| 23:31.45 | plugwash | i'd imagine quality figures are only comparable between machines using the same card |
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| 23:32.37 | plugwash | and the same drivers for that card |
| 23:32.49 | streuner | limesoap: another way would be 'beryl' |
| 23:33.06 | limesoap | streuner, thank you :-) |
| 23:33.28 | g3brown | streuner: what easiest way to get beryl going (that is the xgl stuff right?)? |
| 23:33.53 | magyar | looking for etch installer with 2.6.18 |
| 23:33.55 | streuner | g3brown: beryl is just a window-manager |
| 23:34.02 | benoitc_ | night all |
| 23:34.07 | streuner | magyar: get the latest... |
| 23:34.20 | Coweater | i'm trying to install gtkpod on etch, and it's giving me "gtkpod: Conflicts: libgpod0 (>= 0.4.0) but 0.4.0-0.3 is to be installed", am i missing something here? |
| 23:34.28 | plugwash | benoitc_ hows the dist-upgrade going? |
| 23:34.31 | streuner | magyar: d-i (debian-installer) etch will ship with 2.6.18 |
| 23:34.49 | magyar | streuner: in "daily-builds" ? |
| 23:34.54 | g3brown | streuner: it an opengl wm though right? |
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| 23:35.25 | Coweater | humm, seems to be an apt-get thing, aptitude didn't bind |
| 23:35.27 | magyar | streuner: stable for etch is NA |
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| 23:35.42 | streuner | magyar: most likely |
| 23:35.44 | amphi | g3brown: on etch? |
| 23:35.56 | plugwash | magyar i think 2.6.18 should now be in the daily builds of the etch installer, it should also be in rc2 and the final release it is not in rc1 |
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| 23:36.52 | g3brown | amphi: I have no idea. I was playing with some other distros the other day and I liked the 3d stuff. I say streuner mention beryl, and I thought that was part of the 3d stuff I was playing with. I like debian, so I was wondering if there was an easy way to install it on it. That's all |
| 23:36.54 | streuner | g3brown: /msg dpkg beryl |
| 23:36.58 | plugwash | Coweater have you installed anything from sid? |
| 23:37.30 | Coweater | plugwash: no, i think it was just apt-get being retarded, since 0.4.0-0.3 is obviously >= 0.4.0 |
| 23:37.32 | magyar | plugwash: what about weekly, it is dated Dec-11-2006 ? |
| 23:37.33 | amphi | g3brown: I got beryl going on etch yestere'en |
| 23:37.37 | Coweater | aptitude didn't mind installing it |
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| 23:37.45 | magyar | plugwash: where do i find rc2 ? |
| 23:37.58 | streuner | rc2 is old |
| 23:37.59 | amphi | g3brown: not hard - ask dpkg about beryl & follow the destructions on that page |
| 23:38.08 | magyar | ahh |
| 23:38.17 | g3brown | amphi: yeah, just did that, thanks. |
| 23:38.19 | plugwash | streuner last i checked it wasn't released yet but i'm not sure |
| 23:38.42 | streuner | oh, mis-read that - sarge vs. etch... |
| 23:38.52 | plugwash | Coweater you missed that the line said conflicts |
| 23:38.56 | amphi | g3brown: I have returned to the safety and sanity of openbox, but I was impressed by how beryl ran on this old and feeble card |
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| 23:39.25 | plugwash | coweater try apt-get install gtkpod libgpod0=0.3.2-1.1 |
| 23:39.39 | plugwash | it sounds like you somehow ended up with a version of libgpod0 from sid installed |
| 23:40.26 | plugwash | the command i gave should download libgpod0 to etch's version allowing you to install gtkpod |
| 23:40.35 | bigo72 | hi everybody |
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| 23:40.51 | bigo72 | I've to install a sarge on a old laptop |
| 23:40.52 | g3brown | amphi: mostly used debian as server in the past. I would like to play with it as a desktop now. OpenBox and beryl I will now look at. ANything else you like? Is openbox kde/gnome replacement or addition? |
| 23:41.08 | bigo72 | just floppy and pcmcia |
| 23:41.10 | amphi | g3brown: openbox is a simple light wm |
| 23:41.42 | bigo72 | ibm thinkpad 340, HD 120M, 11Mb RAM :-) |
| 23:42.01 | bigo72 | I've a serious problem with the second floppy |
| 23:42.04 | amphi | g3brown: I like it, I have keybindings for what I want, and it keeps out of the way (a keystroke to remove window decorations is important to me ;) |
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| 23:42.31 | g3brown | amphi: is kde a wm? |
| 23:42.40 | jugglinx | streuner, thanks i find it :-) |
| 23:42.52 | bigo72 | I give linux ramdisk floppy=thinkpad at boot time, but nothing |
| 23:43.12 | streuner | jugglinx: np |
| 23:43.16 | amphi | g3brown: kde is a de (desktop environment) |
| 23:43.18 | plugwash | magyar well it seems 2.6.18 migrated on the 9th |
| 23:43.21 | bigo72 | please somebody help me |
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| 23:43.27 | plugwash | so its touch and go if that weekly image is new enough |
| 23:43.35 | g3brown | amphi: so you use openbox ontop of ? |
| 23:43.52 | amphi | g3brown: just openbox, no de at all |
| 23:44.01 | streuner | i doubt that openbox is able to use aiglx |
| 23:44.25 | amphi | streuner: nope; beryl is a wm itself, AFAIUI |
| 23:44.30 | g3brown | amphi: guess I need to do some reading... don't understand gui lingo |
| 23:44.51 | magyar | plugwash: there is no info on the changes made to a weekly buid? |
| 23:44.55 | magyar | build |
| 23:45.08 | amphi | g3brown: I've never used one of the DEs myself, so I know little about it |
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| 23:45.38 | plugwash | magyar if i were you i'd just use a daily built image |
| 23:45.58 | plugwash | wost thats likely to happen is it fails to install |
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| 23:46.37 | magyar | plugwash: in the daily I don't see a full 1-st CD image, only net install |
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| 23:47.00 | amphi | g3brown: you can run X without even a wm, with xinit, but it's not much fun |
| 23:47.02 | plugwash | sure but you'r only likely to use it once aren't you? |
| 23:48.18 | magyar | plugwash: true, but if it works i'll use it all the time |
| 23:48.52 | amphi | g3brown: I expect you could run openbox on top of kde or gnome, but I'm not sure |
| 23:48.55 | mango | I am trying to use debian hurd on qemu, I was in qemu chanel but they sent me to you ....hope you help....I just want to know what does is it mean = => Reboot with "-s" kernel option |
| 23:49.06 | g3brown | amphi: reading now... understanding difference |
| 23:49.46 | plugwash | magyar it probablly won't be long before there is a rc2 of etch anyway |
| 23:50.00 | amphi | mango: boot in single user mode IIRC |
| 23:50.01 | plugwash | and you can always put a proxy on your lan to ease the network strain of installing stuff |
| 23:50.29 | amphi | mango: hurd used to run ok under qemu, I think I had to use some isa option, it's been a while |
| 23:51.19 | mango | amphi: sorry, how do I do that,...do I go to grub cmd? |
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| 23:53.01 | amphi | mango: edit the line with 'gnumach' in it AFAIR |
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| 23:53.55 | Teejay__ | is this the correct command apt-get autoremove |
| 23:54.03 | Teejay__ | I tried it and it did not work |
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| 23:54.31 | Guerin | Teejay__: man apt-get |
| 23:54.32 | amphi | mango: select hurd in the grub menu, e to edit, select the line with 'gnumach', e to edit and append '-s' after gnumach, enter, and b to boot, I think |
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| 23:56.17 | Teejay__ | ty guerin |
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| 23:58.15 | olskolirc | ? |
| 23:58.32 | olskolirc | ? |
| 23:58.39 | olskolirc | see? |
| 23:58.52 | olskolirc | my nick always types a ? when i log in |
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| 23:59.28 | johnd0e | hi everyone |
| 23:59.34 | mango | amphi: thanks that worked, thank you very much |
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