| 00:00.16 | amphi | mango: you're welcome - how is the hurd these days? last one I had ate its filesystem ;) |
| 00:00.58 | mango | amphi: do not know yet...I am a newbie, I want to use it to learn and stop stuffing my pc |
| 00:01.18 | amphi | mango: 'stuffing'? |
| 00:01.30 | azeem | mango: #hurd is the proper channel I guess |
| 00:01.40 | amphi | mango: BTW, the hurd-l4 list is quite interesting |
| 00:01.57 | amphi | azeem: it is debian gnu/hurd... |
| 00:02.16 | azeem | amphi: I assume so, yes |
| 00:02.25 | mango | amophi: I meant destroy it. sorry what is btw |
| 00:02.30 | azeem | still, #hurd is the proper channel |
| 00:02.37 | amphi | mango: 'by the way' |
| 00:02.43 | azeem | people can still try to get help here of course |
| 00:03.29 | mango | amphi: is hurd-l4 any different then hurd I am using... |
| 00:03.31 | ttf | hi all... a question regarding DSA's: 1184-1 and 1017-1 both mention the package kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 in the version 2.6.8-16sarge1. They have the same md5sum and so I suppose they are the same. This looks like there's actually not update available/needed for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686. Is this correct? |
| 00:03.52 | azeem | ttf: check the changelog |
| 00:03.55 | ttf | s/not update/no update |
| 00:04.03 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.12 | johnd0e | I'm about to upgrade mysql 4.0.24 to 4.1.11. the 4.0 db uses latin1, but most of the contents are UTF8. how can I import the contents into the new db (utf8)? |
| 00:04.14 | amphi | mango: it doesn't really exist AFAIK ;) but there has been (to me) interesting discussion on the list |
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| 00:04.24 | azeem | ttf: the security incidents should be described there |
| 00:05.38 | mango | amphi: do you think I am making the right choice....I want to get my LPI certi, so I am trying to learn on this version....any suggestions please |
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| 00:05.59 | azeem | mango: the Hurd doesn't have much to do with LPI |
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| 00:06.30 | mango | azeem: which version does,? a debian one ofcourse? |
| 00:07.02 | azeem | mango: I am confused at your objectives, maybe you should rephrase them |
| 00:07.16 | _flamesrock_ | hi. I'm learning how to run a server.. and my question is- if I have already have domain registered, what is the benefit in installing something like bind? What can it be used for? |
| 00:07.45 | atula | exit |
| 00:08.19 | mango | azeem: you can choose to get lpi on a debian or redhat package right?, so which version is best to learn on debian sarge etch...? |
| 00:08.31 | plugwash | _flamesrock_ originally when you registered a domain you had to provide dns servers to answer for it, bind is one app that can be used to run such a server |
| 00:08.44 | mango | azeem: may be I do not know what I am taking about |
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| 00:08.51 | plugwash | nowadays many registrars provide dns servers for you but running your own is still more flexible |
| 00:09.06 | _flamesrock_ | ah I see, I see |
| 00:09.10 | plugwash | bind can also be used as a dns resolver which can be usefull if your providers resolves suck |
| 00:09.14 | _flamesrock_ | so its better than just pointing it at the IP? |
| 00:09.23 | predder | _flamesrock_, if you had multiple servers that were subdomains of your top level you could run your own DNS |
| 00:09.33 | azeem | mango: I don't know |
| 00:09.41 | mango | azeem: thanks |
| 00:09.49 | azeem | mango: what exactly do you mean with "version" in this context, anyway? |
| 00:09.56 | predder | !tell _flamesrock_ about bind |
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| 00:10.10 | amphi | mango: I'm also not clear what you mean ;) |
| 00:10.27 | _flamesrock_ | ah thanks |
| 00:10.29 | _flamesrock_ | :) |
| 00:10.40 | mango | amphi: welll, I probably mean which distro... |
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| 00:11.30 | darkmaniac | http://www.gimmickry.org/ <-riddles |
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| 00:12.13 | amphi | mango: you ask that in here? ;) |
| 00:12.39 | Pilgrim- | im getting my first dedicated server, and im not sure what i need. I have limited experience with a linux console, but I want to learn..I figure the best way to learn is to dive right in. Do most dedicated servers come with raid and/or backup services? The one im looking at doesnt come with one, but I'm thinking I should figure out a way to get backups..I was thinking I could setup a cronjob to rsync the files to my computer at home..but I also guess this wou |
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| 00:12.59 | mango | amphi: why ? what is wrong? I know it is debian offcourse:) |
| 00:13.04 | krenin | Anyone know how to silence ipmasq messages so that they don' t get displayed on the virtual consoles? |
| 00:13.12 | Guerin | Pilgrim-: look at rsnapshot for backups |
| 00:13.18 | NickOfSleazyDoom | hi |
| 00:13.22 | NickOfSleazyDoom | hey amphi, Guerin |
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| 00:13.25 | azeem | mango: I guess you can assume that LPI is concerned with Debian GNU/Linux stable |
| 00:13.28 | NickOfSleazyDoom | eh, this is #debian, weird. |
| 00:13.43 | NickOfSleazyDoom | abrotman's not here oddly |
| 00:13.55 | Guerin | Pilgrim-: there are plenty of resources about for general consolery - /msg dpkg grounding for a few |
| 00:14.02 | Guerin | NickOfSleazyDoom: even the brotman has to sleep sometimes |
| 00:14.04 | mango | azeem:amphi: thank you ... see you next time |
| 00:14.07 | NickOfSleazyDoom | Guerin: hehe |
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| 00:14.33 | NickOfSleazyDoom | Guerin: I'm trying to debug why I can't connect my suqeezebox to tune into my streaming server on my computer. |
| 00:14.35 | NickOfSleazyDoom | yarg |
| 00:16.23 | Guerin | NickOfSleazyDoom: wtf are you on about? |
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| 00:17.27 | limesoap | compiz works fine (Etch) but the multiple desktops thingy does not display names anymore nor I can get it do so. Any pointers please? |
| 00:17.44 | NickOfSleazyDoom | Guerin: the suqeezebox, nu |
| 00:17.52 | azeem | limesoap: I think that is a fundamental problem with how compiz handles multiple desktops |
| 00:18.16 | NickOfSleazyDoom | it's a streaming appliance that tunes into your streaming server wirelessly and pipes it to a receiver |
| 00:19.05 | Pilgrim- | thanks Guerin |
| 00:19.10 | limesoap | I do have the multiple desktops and I can see them in the applet, I just can't get their names to display. Only for the first one |
| 00:19.20 | limesoap | azeem, seems like a bug |
| 00:19.25 | Pilgrim- | you dont think i need to pay more to get raid? |
| 00:19.28 | Pilgrim- | what about remote reboot? |
| 00:19.36 | azeem | limesoap: what do you mean with "names to display"? |
| 00:20.38 | Guerin | NickOfSleazyDoom: i've never heard of a suqeezebox |
| 00:21.28 | limesoap | limesoap, say I have 3 desktops, down in the right hand size I normally see | main| work1 | work2 | |
| 00:21.36 | limesoap | err...azeem I meant |
| 00:21.52 | limesoap | now I see | | | | |
| 00:21.53 | azeem | uhm, which desktop environment are you using? |
| 00:21.58 | limesoap | gnome |
| 00:22.09 | azeem | I see |
| 00:22.16 | azeem | well, file a bug I guess |
| 00:22.33 | azeem | limesoap: but as I said, GNOME has a different opinion on what is a workspace than compiz |
| 00:22.42 | Pilgrim- | is remote reboot an important thing for a dedicated server? Could I not just reboot from the command line? |
| 00:22.49 | azeem | so that is the fundamental problem I was talking about earlier |
| 00:22.56 | limesoap | as soon as I choose "show workspace names in switcher" I see "main" and they all get squeezed under it |
| 00:23.12 | limesoap | azeem, where do I access the options of compiz? |
| 00:23.20 | azeem | I don't know |
| 00:23.33 | azeem | gconf-editor I guess |
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| 00:23.48 | limesoap | I see |
| 00:23.52 | limesoap | thank you |
| 00:25.52 | NickOfSleazyDoom | Guerin: http://slimdevices.com |
| 00:25.53 | plugwash | Pilgrim- it depends, a combination of remote powerswitch and serial console is good to have, even remote powerswitch on its own can be somewhat usefull |
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| 00:26.51 | plugwash | if you don't have such things and something goes wrong then you are at the mercy of datacenter staff who may well change you a lot of money for time spent bringing your machine back up and may not be entirely competant |
| 00:27.05 | Guerin | NickOfSleazyDoom: eew, looks dangerous |
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| 00:28.10 | eyeris | I used the official method for installing Debian (testing/amd64 netinst) from a USB key. The installer boots from the key, but early in the startup processes, the computer just restarts. Is there a common reason for this? |
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| 00:28.36 | ttf | azeem: thanks - the qa page helped |
| 00:28.44 | ttf | bye all.. |
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| 00:29.30 | Pilgrim- | plugwash: Ah, thank you. I was just curious, as they want to charge me $10.00 per month for the remote reboot |
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| 00:30.14 | grendal_prime | i need to run some sort of webcam app but sftp the info to a server outside this network. |
| 00:30.50 | Guerin | grendal_prime: easy enough to do. Stills or video? |
| 00:30.56 | grendal_prime | all of the webcam apps i see do not use sftp. Is anyone else out there doing something like this |
| 00:31.00 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: has the kernel started? |
| 00:31.06 | grendal_prime | stills would work |
| 00:31.12 | grendal_prime | every couple of seconds |
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| 00:31.31 | Guerin | grendal_prime: just make it output into a dir which you sftp files out of on cron or through a while loop; or even using dnotify or such. |
| 00:31.41 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.02 | eyeris | dondelelcaro: Yes. I have seen it get to the NMI Watchdog message. |
| 00:32.10 | grendal_prime | thats a damn good idea man |
| 00:32.20 | Guerin | grendal_prime: dnotify would be the elegant way |
| 00:32.24 | eyeris | dondelelcaro: although it usually restart write after it loads the kernel |
| 00:32.42 | Guerin | grendal_prime: a new ssh connection every image is a bit wasteful, but I can';t think of a better way right now\ |
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| 00:33.45 | grendal_prime | didnt even think of that...hey ummm dnotify |
| 00:34.12 | Guerin | careful with dnotify |
| 00:34.19 | Guerin | it can get out of hand if you don't tune it right |
| 00:34.51 | eyeris | btw, does anyone know of a Windows equivilent to Linux's dd for flash drives? |
| 00:34.52 | Guerin | it's one of those lovely programs which does just what you tell it to, even if that's a really stupid thing to do |
| 00:35.28 | dasunt | Heh, error message: "Uhiui.!NMI!receiwee.!Dazed!aod!congusee,!but!tsying uo!conuioue Xot prob'bly h'vd ' hardware problem with your RAM chips" |
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| 00:36.03 | Sadneophyte | how to I find what files an executable is acessing? |
| 00:36.15 | petemc | strace |
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| 00:36.45 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to get the remote on my TV card working |
| 00:36.54 | schme | Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-Ekki-PTANG. Zoom-Boing. Z'nourrwringmm. |
| 00:36.59 | solemnwarning | It registers as a keyboard ok, and most buttons work |
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| 00:37.04 | blondie1 | schme: are you ill? |
| 00:37.27 | solemnwarning | But some buttons don't cause anything in xev even though they show in in /dev/input/event2 |
| 00:37.32 | schme | blondie1: No. Just watching Monty Python's holy grail movie (: Thanks for asking! |
| 00:37.35 | solemnwarning | Why would X not see some presses? |
| 00:38.12 | schme | eyeris: Can't you use rawrite for DOS as dd .. ? |
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| 00:39.32 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
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| 00:40.11 | schme | solemnwarning: Is you keyboard configured correct in the x config? |
| 00:40.35 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: ok; if you actually see some of the kernel stuff going, then you may try passing noacpi on the kernel line to see if that helps. |
| 00:40.35 | solemnwarning | Well most of the buttons show up in xev when pressed so I assume so |
| 00:40.50 | solemnwarning | But a few don't seem to do anything in X |
| 00:41.11 | eyeris | dondelelcaro: ok I will try that |
| 00:41.11 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: if you don't see any kernel boot messages, then it usually means that you've got the wrong architecture, the kernel is corrupted, or the bootloader isn't loading the kernel properly. |
| 00:41.27 | schme | solemnwarning: Which ones are not showing up? |
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| 00:42.25 | solemnwarning | Zoom, DVD/VCD, FM, PVR/TV, Last chan, Next, Menu/TV/Video, CH surf, OK, Chan +/-, language |
| 00:43.20 | schme | That's some funky keyboard! Perhaps you need to add some options to the X config. |
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| 00:43.37 | solemnwarning | I said it was a TV remote that registers as a keyboard..... |
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| 00:43.44 | eyeris | dondelelcaro just to be sure, you mean noacpi and not noapic, right? |
| 00:44.01 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: yes. |
| 00:44.36 | schme | solemnwarning: I had to install some extra package to get all my "special" keys working (: |
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| 00:45.04 | solemnwarning | Even if the keys aint in the keymap, they show up in xev |
| 00:45.08 | solemnwarning | So it's not that |
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| 00:45.58 | eyeris | dondelelcaro now it freezes at "Testing NMI Watchdog... OK." with or without the noacpi option. |
| 00:46.25 | schme | solemnwarning: darn |
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| 00:46.52 | solemnwarning | I don't understand why X is ignoring those buttons, Linux clearly sees them since they are in /dev/input/event2 |
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| 00:47.38 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: try nmi_watchdog=0; iirc. |
| 00:48.10 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: so you see the keys in xev? |
| 00:48.24 | solemnwarning | No, they don't seem to reach X |
| 00:48.31 | solemnwarning | Although I see them in /dev/event/input2 |
| 00:48.39 | solemnwarning | */dev/input/event2 |
| 00:49.41 | dondelelcaro | solemnwarning: do any of the events from that device reach X? |
| 00:50.11 | solemnwarning | Nope |
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| 00:50.32 | rap | anybody had problems with tomcat after last update? |
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| 00:51.59 | eyeris | dondelelcaro nmi_watchdog=0 was proper (it really didn't load the driver) but it still freezes. Do you know what is just after the NMI Watchdog? |
| 00:52.03 | john_d0e | how can I upgrade only individual packages w/ apt? |
| 00:52.23 | rap | john_d0e: just install them |
| 00:52.26 | Guerin | john_d0e: aptitude install packagename packagename |
| 00:52.56 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: I don't remember, unfortunatly, Is this etch that you're trying to install? |
| 00:53.09 | john_d0e | Guerin: thx. |
| 00:53.36 | eyeris | dondelelcaro yes |
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| 00:53.52 | olskolirc | mp3blaster rocks |
| 00:54.03 | eyeris | is the option to turn smp off nosmp or smp=0? |
| 00:54.20 | john_d0e | can I downgrade the packages later? |
| 00:54.32 | dondelelcaro | eyeris: nosmp; would do it. |
| 00:54.56 | solemnwarning | john_d0e: apt-get install package=version |
| 00:55.09 | amphi | eyeris: nosmp according to kernel-parameters.txt |
| 00:55.27 | stoned | dondelelcaro, thank you for your help the other day |
| 00:55.27 | Guerin | john_d0e: not really |
| 00:55.43 | stoned | dondelelcaro, I've got my powerbook 3400c up and running with stable sarge |
| 00:55.56 | Guerin | john_d0e: realise that packages depend on other packages, and any upgrade could make widespread changes |
| 00:56.15 | stoned | dondelelcaro, oops, wrong channel |
| 00:56.47 | john_d0e | Guerin: I know. I just need to upgrade mysql to 4.1. |
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| 00:57.01 | Guerin | john_d0e: on stable? Use backports.org. |
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| 00:57.27 | john_d0e | Guerin: yes |
| 00:57.40 | eyeris | dondelelcaro when I try with nosmp it loads the AT kbd driver and then restarts the machine |
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| 00:58.46 | threat2 | hey, what does this mean and how do I fix it? --> dpkg-architecture: warning: Unknown gcc system type i486-linux-gnu, falling back to default (native compilation) |
| 00:59.15 | solemnwarning | john_d0e: MySQL 4.1 is in stable, you don't need backports |
| 00:59.18 | Guerin | !warnings |
| 00:59.19 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 00:59.22 | solemnwarning | apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 00:59.24 | Guerin | threat2: ↑ |
| 00:59.53 | john_d0e | solemnwarning: : thx. I'm just a bit nervous if all data will survive |
| 01:00.12 | threat2 | umm but this is a warning with dpkg-architecture |
| 01:00.16 | solemnwarning | Backup everything before you do it |
| 01:00.28 | solemnwarning | Sqldump all databases, and backup the mysql data dir |
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| 01:02.11 | john_d0e | solemnwarning: : just did that |
| 01:02.24 | solemnwarning | Then you should be fine :) |
| 01:02.30 | threat2 | Guerin: surely dpkg would be supported by this channel? |
| 01:02.59 | john_d0e | backed up /etc/mysql too and will start the install now |
| 01:03.09 | threat2 | s/supported/a developer would be in here that would know how to fix that/ |
| 01:03.22 | Guerin | threat2: oh, it is. But a warning is still just that: a warning. In principle it should still work. |
| 01:03.47 | Guerin | threat2: heh, supported, but I dunno about the second bit. It's not entirely clear what (if anything) is wrong |
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| 01:03.53 | Guerin | threat2: let it run, see if it works. |
| 01:03.58 | Acid | Hi everyone |
| 01:04.26 | Guerin | Acid: the 600+ users of debian greet you |
| 01:04.30 | Guerin | #debian |
| 01:04.34 | Acid | anybody know how to work with syslog-ng? |
| 01:04.45 | Guerin | !anyone use syslog-ng? |
| 01:04.45 | dpkg | No, no one uses syslog-ng, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:04.50 | dondelelcaro | Acid: lots of people do. |
| 01:04.59 | Acid | i need it for a school |
| 01:05.03 | Guerin | !need |
| 01:05.03 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 01:05.07 | dondelelcaro | stoned: cool; glad that it's working |
| 01:05.15 | Acid | for a school homework a mean |
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| 01:05.27 | Guerin | Acid: then it would be wrong of us to help you with it. |
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| 01:05.37 | Guerin | Acid: suggest you consult the documentation. |
| 01:05.42 | Acid | i dont think so |
| 01:05.47 | threat2 | Guerin: ok |
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| 01:05.59 | Acid | becouse they dont explain nothing in school |
| 01:06.10 | stoned | dondelelcaro, its a decent enough notebook, didn't want to throw it away. 200mb hd, 80mhz, 32mb ram I think |
| 01:06.20 | Guerin | Acid: it's a good thing you have documentation, then. |
| 01:06.28 | threat2 | so true, beer is needed |
| 01:06.29 | Guerin | stoned: nice. |
| 01:06.33 | solemnwarning | 80MHz |
| 01:06.38 | stoned | Guerin, :) |
| 01:06.40 | solemnwarning | I suppose it could maybe run nethack |
| 01:06.43 | Guerin | awesome x terminal |
| 01:06.50 | solemnwarning | It might even handle the emacs operating system :) |
| 01:06.50 | Acid | i just need to log http port |
| 01:06.52 | stoned | it DOES run nethack/slashem |
| 01:06.54 | threat2 | 80MHz heh |
| 01:07.00 | stoned | it runs X fine too |
| 01:07.01 | Guerin | emacs would run on it |
| 01:07.01 | Acid | but i dont know how to |
| 01:07.07 | threat2 | it would make a great calculator :) |
| 01:07.07 | stoned | it might be 64mb ram |
| 01:07.08 | Guerin | take w while to start, but that's cool |
| 01:07.12 | Acid | to log http port |
| 01:07.14 | stoned | I dunno, its a 3400c powerbook |
| 01:07.19 | stoned | from like 1997 |
| 01:07.23 | Guerin | i used a dx2-66 as an x terminal for a while |
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| 01:07.28 | stoned | nice |
| 01:07.33 | Guerin | then it melted down due to me fucking with it |
| 01:07.34 | threat2 | calculator + paper weight, you can't go wrong with that combination |
| 01:07.40 | Acid | so you know? |
| 01:07.42 | stoned | solemnwarning, back off |
| 01:07.49 | threat2 | solemnwarning: haha |
| 01:07.51 | Guerin | i put a dx4-100 cpu in the slot :( |
| 01:07.59 | threat2 | Guerin: :( |
| 01:08.04 | Acid | how to log http port conections |
| 01:08.06 | Guerin | thought I was clever |
| 01:08.10 | Acid | with syslog |
| 01:08.13 | threat2 | I still have a DX4-66MHz chip somewhere |
| 01:08.17 | Guerin | Acid: dunno |
| 01:08.18 | stoned | solemnwarning, it computes. Whats your point? |
| 01:08.21 | threat2 | or was it DX2 |
| 01:08.27 | stoned | solemnwarning, make a point and shut it |
| 01:08.29 | Guerin | threat2: dx4 started at 75, i think |
| 01:08.30 | threat2 | *shrugs* so long ago since I have used it |
| 01:08.37 | stoned | goddamn what an asshole |
| 01:08.39 | threat2 | Guerin: ok, well dx2 it was then :) |
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| 01:08.45 | dondelelcaro | Acid: what about connections to port 80 do you want to log? |
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| 01:09.13 | stoned | welcome to ignore |
| 01:09.13 | amphi | stoned: 32MB is a lot of ram for an 80MHz machine... |
| 01:09.14 | Acid | any conections |
| 01:09.18 | dondelelcaro | Horray for rattus norvigicus |
| 01:09.20 | solemnwarning | Thankyou! |
| 01:09.23 | Guerin | solemnwarning: but why? |
| 01:09.34 | solemnwarning | Guerin: ? |
| 01:09.37 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: for killing the weak 40% of europe? |
| 01:09.44 | Guerin | solemnwarning: what's the beef? |
| 01:09.46 | threat2 | true, having a 1GB of RAM on a 80MHz machine wouldn't do that much |
| 01:09.47 | stoned | Guerin, Booyakasha! |
| 01:09.49 | stoned | :) |
| 01:09.53 | Acid | any conection from a lan client via proxy |
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| 01:10.18 | amphi | the 90MHz toshiba laptop I had, had 4MB |
| 01:10.22 | threat2 | actually was the DX4 a 16 or 32bit machine? |
| 01:10.29 | solemnwarning | My video recorder pwns stoned's laptop \o/ |
| 01:10.30 | amphi | threat2: 32 |
| 01:10.32 | stoned | Guerin, the dude is making fun of me cuz I was trying to salvage a notebook |
| 01:10.36 | solemnwarning | 850MHx duron :) |
| 01:10.44 | stoned | nothing pwns my notebook |
| 01:10.46 | threat2 | amphi: ok :) same will all x86's? (above 386 that is) |
| 01:10.53 | Guerin | solemnwarning: ooh, you're so tough ... you own a $20 computer |
| 01:10.57 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. just looking up genes here, and ran across it in rattus norvigicus as well as good old humans and mus musculus |
| 01:11.04 | solemnwarning | You're right, impenetrable brick casing |
| 01:11.12 | solemnwarning | I could never pwn that |
| 01:11.22 | threat2 | solemnwarning: ssshh |
| 01:11.23 | Acid | dondelelcaro: so you can help? |
| 01:11.30 | threat2 | solemnwarning: bricks are classy |
| 01:11.35 | solemnwarning | hehe |
| 01:11.35 | amphi | threat2: 386s were 32bit also; IIRC there was a 386sx that was 24bit, sorta |
| 01:11.37 | Guerin | solemnwarning: unlike some other things, it's not how big, it's what you do with it |
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| 01:11.45 | solemnwarning | Riight |
| 01:11.45 | threat2 | amphi: interesting |
| 01:11.46 | dondelelcaro | Acid: if you want to log connections from a lan client, use iptable's logging support and log it to syslogng |
| 01:12.06 | amphi | threat2: ie. 32 bit internally, 16bit bus IIRC |
| 01:12.06 | limesoap | is beryl a better choice than compiz? |
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| 01:12.11 | solemnwarning | Lemme know when the 80MHz laptop can do somthing more advanced then X with a text editor :) |
| 01:12.11 | stoned | CompuADD notebook from 1992, 4mb ram, 25.33 mhz proc., 60mb hdd |
| 01:12.16 | threat2 | amphi: yep |
| 01:12.18 | stoned | top that one :) |
| 01:12.22 | solemnwarning | :O |
| 01:12.27 | dondelelcaro | 80MHz is more than enough to fly a shuttle. |
| 01:12.28 | solemnwarning | * head explodes * |
| 01:12.35 | Acid | im using squid3 and syslog-ng |
| 01:12.36 | stoned | solemnwarning, you probably weren't evne born then |
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| 01:12.41 | solemnwarning | Yeah, but it can't stay in orbit over new year :P |
| 01:12.46 | Acid | in a proxy |
| 01:12.51 | solemnwarning | I was actually :\ |
| 01:12.59 | amphi | !tell Acid about enter |
| 01:13.01 | solemnwarning | As long as it was made after feb :P |
| 01:13.02 | stoned | wow, I just thought you were immature cuz you were young |
| 01:13.05 | schme | Who needs more than X and the text editor... ? |
| 01:13.05 | stoned | oh well... |
| 01:13.12 | dondelelcaro | Acid: then if you want just connections to squid, you should be able to log them out to syslogng |
| 01:13.13 | amphi | schme: X? |
| 01:13.23 | schme | amphi: Well I need X! |
| 01:13.25 | Acid | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.28 | solemnwarning | schme: me! |
| 01:13.33 | Acid | thats what i need to do |
| 01:13.38 | threat2 | solemnwarning: what else is there? |
| 01:13.40 | schme | solemnwarning: ): Me too actually. I need firefox too(: |
| 01:13.41 | solemnwarning | UT2004, KDE :) |
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| 01:13.49 | Acid | but i dont know how |
| 01:13.53 | threat2 | solemnwarning: well except for ogg play back |
| 01:13.55 | solemnwarning | And soon UT2007 |
| 01:14.01 | dondelelcaro | if your editor is emacs, you don't need firefox. |
| 01:14.05 | Acid | what you were telling about enter? |
| 01:14.07 | amphi | threat2: mplayer ;) |
| 01:14.13 | Guerin | but it sure makes the web more interesting |
| 01:14.15 | solemnwarning | Yeah, the emacs operating system has a browser |
| 01:14.16 | schme | dondelelcaro: My editor is emacs, and I need firefox. |
| 01:14.18 | dondelelcaro | (and if your editor is emacs, you know why you need 32M on a 80MHz machine) |
| 01:14.24 | Guerin | all the emacs modes are still not a patch on ff |
| 01:14.29 | schme | dondelelcaro: or Opera, I suppose. |
| 01:14.38 | threat2 | haha |
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| 01:14.46 | Guerin | opera ... who actually uses it? |
| 01:14.48 | fas3r | is it virtual clone drive under linux ? |
| 01:14.58 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I only listen to it and watch it occasionally. |
| 01:14.59 | Guerin | except people who think their cellphone is a computer |
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| 01:15.05 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: right. |
| 01:15.10 | schme | Guerin: I have a friend who swears by it... "much nicer than firefox", he says. |
| 01:15.17 | plugwash | am i the only one who finds it very very worrying that iceweasel STILL isn't in etch? |
| 01:15.25 | stoned | dondelelcaro, what is chamber music? |
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| 01:15.33 | stoned | music played in a chamber or... |
| 01:15.36 | Guerin | schme: might be, if it wasn't proprietary adware |
| 01:16.00 | Guerin | schme: music for a small orchestra, designed for performance in a smallish room, rather than a concert hall |
| 01:16.00 | dondelelcaro | stoned: classical music for smaller groups; generally not orchestreal. |
| 01:16.06 | solemnwarning | I doubt 80MHz would handle my res anyway stoned :) |
| 01:16.15 | stoned | I just found it out on wiki |
| 01:16.25 | stoned | dondelelcaro, which artists? |
| 01:16.25 | Guerin | stoned: usually shorter and different in form to orchestral music |
| 01:16.35 | schme | Guerin: From what I understood it has integrated bittorrent client, mail client, and what not. That is not what I want (: I just want a browser that let's me do the one thing I can't use w3m for.. which is my internet banking. |
| 01:16.40 | solemnwarning | 2304x864@75Hz |
| 01:16.46 | schme | Guerin: I am sure Opera has some nice functions tho. |
| 01:16.54 | stoned | like short song legnthe single concerto pieces for an instrument or equal share in ? |
| 01:16.57 | dondelelcaro | stoned: bach, rachmaninov, mozart, etc... my father is much more into opera than I am |
| 01:16.59 | Guerin | schme: no use if it ain't free. |
| 01:17.29 | schme | Guerin: Mmm mmm.. and it doesn't make up for all the crap I DON'T want (: |
| 01:17.32 | stoned | dondelelcaro, I can't stand opera. I also like the above. Have you ever heard any Classical Indian (Raag) music? |
| 01:17.34 | Guerin | stoned: most classical composers wrote chamber music. Mozard, chopin, bach are probably the most famous. |
| 01:17.39 | Guerin | stoned: f'real. |
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| 01:17.44 | solemnwarning | btw Guerin |
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| 01:18.01 | solemnwarning | My mobile IS a computer, I have a BASIC compiler on it :P |
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| 01:18.11 | dondelelcaro | stoned: probably, but not enough to recognize it or know that I have. |
| 01:18.22 | Guerin | solemnwarning: you lose. |
| 01:18.27 | solemnwarning | :( |
| 01:19.04 | solemnwarning | C compilers generally aint written in java and fit in a few 100K of space sadly |
| 01:19.28 | stoned | dondelelcaro, would you care to listen to a great raaga now? |
| 01:19.56 | dondelelcaro | if you write them in java, there's no way they'd fit. However, it's pretty trivial to fit them into 100K. |
| 01:19.56 | threat2 | ok back to something debian related |
| 01:19.56 | solemnwarning | Hey stoned |
| 01:19.57 | dondelelcaro | stoned: sure |
| 01:19.57 | threat2 | java-package |
| 01:19.57 | zinx | i have a BASIC compiler and a C compiler on my visor platinum, and it's not powerful by any stretch |
| 01:20.12 | solemnwarning | Does that laptop have an ethernet port? |
| 01:20.12 | schme | A cell phone running lisp .. that would be nice. |
| 01:20.14 | stoned | dondelelcaro, I'll msg the link to you, as my bandwidth is limited and I can't afford to have people downloading. Cable modem, but the slow kind |
| 01:20.15 | threat2 | It doesn't seem to beable to make a package from the latest java jdk (version 6) |
| 01:20.30 | com4 | Is there a way to use scp to copy some files, but not follow symlinks? |
| 01:20.40 | dondelelcaro | com4: yes, but you're better off using rsync if you want to do that. |
| 01:20.47 | Guerin | does scp even follow symlinks by default? |
| 01:21.05 | stoned | Guerin, whats a symlink? |
| 01:21.20 | Acid | dondelelcaro: I need to log http trafic of a lan client in a proxy server |
| 01:21.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: I think it may if you use -r, but I really haven't played with it in quite a while. |
| 01:21.34 | stoned | lol |
| 01:21.39 | solemnwarning | ^^ |
| 01:21.40 | dondelelcaro | Acid: so read the syslog-ng manpage, and set up squid to log to it. It's pretty simple. |
| 01:21.43 | com4 | dondelelcaro: why am i better off using rsync? |
| 01:22.09 | Guerin | threat2: nobody's gotten around to making it work |
| 01:22.27 | Guerin | threat2: feel free to make it so and submit a patch |
| 01:22.32 | dondelelcaro | com4: because rsync is much more adept at downloading selected lists of files than scp is. |
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| 01:23.17 | com4 | dondelelcaro: well, i want everything except the symlinks and i'll only do this once |
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| 01:23.34 | Acid | i will read it, but i dont get how i gonna make squid to log it |
| 01:23.36 | threat2 | Guerin: oh |
| 01:23.42 | threat2 | Guerin: sure :) how do I do that? |
| 01:23.47 | dondelelcaro | com4: so? |
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| 01:24.15 | rue_mohr | where do I get public keys? |
| 01:24.18 | rue_mohr | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 01:24.18 | rue_mohr | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 01:24.26 | Guerin | threat2: grab the existing version of java-package, look at the scripts which make it work, see why they don't work for that version of the sun java, tweak to fit, diff and submit to bugs.debian.org |
| 01:24.37 | Guerin | !topicbadger rue_mohr |
| 01:24.37 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that rue_mohr didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 01:24.43 | com4 | dondelelcaro: ok, so "no you can't ignore symlinks with scp"? |
| 01:25.03 | rue_mohr | right |
| 01:25.10 | dondelelcaro | com4: not unless you do it manually. |
| 01:25.20 | com4 | dondelelcaro: k, then i will use rsync. thanks |
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| 01:25.57 | rue_mohr | hahah |
| 01:26.09 | rue_mohr | now the freaking badger song is stuck in my head AGAIN |
| 01:26.20 | rue_mohr | WHY! |
| 01:26.30 | rue_mohr | thats so mean.... |
| 01:26.37 | Guerin | rue_mohr: see? If you'd only read the topic ... |
| 01:26.50 | rue_mohr | nobody ever reads topics |
| 01:26.57 | streuner | hm |
| 01:27.00 | streuner | true :-) |
| 01:27.05 | Guerin | this is part of a campaign to change that |
| 01:27.08 | sussudio | !dachs streuner |
| 01:27.08 | dpkg | streuner: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 01:27.40 | streuner | rue_mohr: its only a shame, somebody notice ;-) |
| 01:28.00 | Guerin | rue_mohr: this will work: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/badgerphone.php (requires evil flash) |
| 01:28.16 | Guerin | rue_mohr: this being the original: http://www.allmedia.com.au/bananana/ |
| 01:28.30 | rue_mohr | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 01:28.37 | Guerin | pwnt |
| 01:28.38 | streuner | sussudio: hi, LTNS |
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| 01:29.16 | Acid | dodelelcaro: so i need to declare a source in the conf file of the type tcp ip,port to log http messages? |
| 01:30.15 | dondelelcaro | Acid: only if the machine that is logging is not a local machine |
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| 01:31.10 | Acid | its a lan client, and the syslog/squid machine its the proxy |
| 01:31.49 | Acid | the proxy needs to log a lan clien http messages, so messages to the squid port |
| 01:32.02 | Acid | are the ones logged |
| 01:32.03 | dondelelcaro | Acid: and where should those log messages end up? |
| 01:32.14 | Acid | in the proxy server |
| 01:32.45 | dondelelcaro | Acid: if the proxy server is the same machine as the machine running suid, then you don't need a tcp port to log them. |
| 01:32.51 | dondelelcaro | Acid: just configure squid to log to syslog. |
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| 01:33.39 | Acid | ok, so its just about configuring squid |
| 01:36.03 | Acid | dondelelcaro: am i right? |
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| 01:37.18 | dondelelcaro | Acid: pretty much |
| 01:37.25 | mike-kayaker | hello troopers |
| 01:37.39 | Acid | can you tell me how? |
| 01:37.40 | Guerin | mike-kayaker: hello kayaker |
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| 01:37.57 | Acid | or an example |
| 01:37.57 | Guerin | mike-kayaker: where've ya been kayaking of late? |
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| 01:38.20 | mike-kayaker | http://www.sportzhub.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1550&Itemid=1 |
| 01:38.23 | mike-kayaker | there |
| 01:38.53 | mike-kayaker | Guerin: testing a kayak on a local lake |
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| 01:39.03 | Guerin | mike-kayaker: nifty. I'm going down the Whanganui between christmas and NY |
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| 01:39.22 | mike-kayaker | nice |
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| 01:40.02 | mike-kayaker | Guerin: I will be up Kaitaia somewhere |
| 01:40.06 | Guerin | considering buying a sea-kayak for fishing too, but am dicey about the weather |
| 01:40.16 | streuner | .nz should be one of the most beautiful countries in the world, mountaiins and see... |
| 01:40.32 | wookienz | hi, if i want to give my internal network a domain so i can use names instead of ips to get between computers can i use any name but have the DNS server only resolve it for internal use? or do i need a unique name from the rest of the net? |
| 01:40.36 | Guerin | streuner: i suppose. The thing I noticed most after coming back was the people. |
| 01:40.47 | mike-kayaker | Guerin: tasman express,3 mtr swell no prob |
| 01:41.03 | Guerin | mike-kayaker: f'real. |
| 01:41.11 | Guerin | that'd destroy most small craft |
| 01:41.29 | mike-kayaker | I would take it anywhere,Just learn to paddle steer |
| 01:42.28 | mike-kayaker | Guerin: lots of fun surfing a big swell for over 20km |
| 01:42.42 | Guerin | that sounds like a work-out |
| 01:42.56 | mike-kayaker | big time |
| 01:43.02 | Guerin | though I do see some crazies out here on the south coast in a southerly swell |
| 01:43.24 | karsten | wookienz: You would be authoritative for your nonroutable IPs. Eg: 10. net, 192.168 net, 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 |
| 01:43.45 | mike-kayaker | breaking waves are the challenge,sea swell not a prob |
| 01:44.04 | karsten | Guerin: Do any of them have "Poor Impulse Control" tattooed across their forheads? |
| 01:44.05 | Guerin | mike-kayaker: yeah, the danger looks to be the rocks, though. |
| 01:44.10 | karsten | s/for/fore/ |
| 01:44.34 | karsten | Guerin: Ranks up there with surfing coral. |
| 01:44.37 | Guerin | karsten: heh. Most of them have Taranaki Hardcore stickers on back of their Land ROvers |
| 01:44.44 | mike-kayaker | Guerin: deep water is safe |
| 01:44.52 | Guerin | mike-kayaker: yeah |
| 01:45.11 | Guerin | i never have surfed, though |
| 01:45.17 | Guerin | my bro did plenty of it, i just swim |
| 01:45.25 | Guerin | or did until my dan shoulder |
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| 01:46.02 | Guerin | that's all most people get to do here in Welli, not much surf. Kayaking is big, though. |
| 01:46.03 | mike-kayaker | Guerin: I have an injured shoulr at the mo |
| 01:46.25 | Guerin | mike-kayaker: yeah, mine is alright now, I just haven't gotten back in. Motorbike accident. |
| 01:47.11 | mike-kayaker | mine was 110km on labour weekend |
| 01:47.17 | Guerin | yikes |
| 01:47.22 | mike-kayaker | open sea |
| 01:48.18 | mike-kayaker | distance no problem but conditions where rough |
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| 01:50.17 | karsten | 110 km kayaking? Hard-core. |
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| 01:51.08 | Guerin | woop, going to get kitten #2 |
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| 02:02.44 | Pf123b | How can I uninstall apache2, sudo apt-get remove apache2, supposedly removes it, but the server lives on. |
| 02:03.42 | nod3 | sudo dpkg --purge apache2 |
| 02:03.51 | Pf123b | purge, thanks :) |
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| 02:04.56 | wookienz | karsten, cheers. ie. type "master" in the conf files? |
| 02:05.11 | Pf123b | nod3, Umm, it ignores it, because apache2 isn't installed |
| 02:05.29 | Pf123b | should i apt-get it, then purge it? |
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| 02:07.20 | nod3 | sure |
| 02:07.33 | Pf123b | ok |
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| 02:10.17 | Pf123b | Purged it, the server continues |
| 02:10.28 | nod3 | lol |
| 02:10.31 | nod3 | stop it first |
| 02:10.52 | Pf123b | im dumb...time to apt-get |
| 02:11.23 | wookienz | in my named .conf i have declared ns and mail but yet i cant ping it from within the dhcp server itself. any thoughts? |
| 02:11.37 | wookienz | ie ping ns.mydomina.net |
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| 02:28.38 | aboyz | Can someon help me with a networking issues. t1 > router (external ip 64.3.2.1)> pix (internal ip 10.0.0.1) > (10.0.0.2)lan. I am using the pix ip 10.0.0.1 as a gateway to get out ok. Now how do i make the pix gateway 10.0.0.1 to get out of the router real IP? from the pix i can ping the router IP. that mean is communicating. Somehow I need the pix IP to know how to get out from the external IP from the router. Anyone know what I n |
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| 02:36.27 | Kevin` | how do I update the time from ntp now |
| 02:36.34 | Kevin` | i'm used to using ntpdate, which I can't find |
| 02:38.10 | rahul | why would you use ntpdate? |
| 02:38.20 | rahul | use the normal ntpd? |
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| 02:38.58 | Kevin` | it doesn't update if the time is very off |
| 02:39.12 | rahul | Kevin`: if you don't tell it to |
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| 02:39.29 | Kevin` | well how do I tell it to? |
| 02:39.31 | rahul | instead of downloading 2 programs, you could instead pass one flag. |
| 02:39.37 | rahul | Kevin`: man ntpd |
| 02:39.52 | rahul | wtf. |
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| 02:42.54 | ecgw | just apt-get openntpd and you're ready to go. |
| 02:43.05 | johnd0e | how can I convert latin1 into utf-8 ? |
| 02:43.06 | ecgw | err. install :) |
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| 02:45.08 | mike_kayaker | nice day |
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| 02:46.28 | karsten | johnd0e: iconv |
| 02:47.12 | johnd0e | karsten: iconv --from=latin1//translit --to=utf-8 fails to do the job on the sqldump |
| 02:47.50 | karsten | johnd0e: Sorry. |
| 02:48.36 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am trying to configure a dual head Matrox g400/G450 card. i followed Xinerama howto guide. but i can't seem to get it work . http://channels.debian.net/paste/4808 would appreciate some help |
| 02:48.47 | johnd0e | karsten: it's not your fault ;) thx anyway |
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| 02:53.35 | sparr | I have an epson CX-5400 scanner(/printer/copier). SANE's website says its supported. sane-find-scanner sees it. but xsane and scanimage both cant see it. help? |
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| 03:00.03 | teledyn_ | sparr: permission issue? |
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| 03:01.00 | sparr | teledyn_: doubtful. i put the epson backend into debug mode and it seems to find the scanner fine. but scanimage still says i got nothing |
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| 03:02.05 | sdubois92 | can someone please help me install fluxbox and X in debian |
| 03:02.11 | sdubois92 | i just installed sarge |
| 03:02.33 | teledyn_ | sdubois92: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 03:02.44 | sdubois92 | dont i need X first? |
| 03:03.03 | teledyn_ | sdubois92: it should pull in xorg as a dependency, if not, install xorg also |
| 03:03.22 | sdubois92 | so flux should come with it |
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| 03:04.35 | teledyn_ | sdubois92: apt-cache showpkg will show its dependencies |
| 03:06.06 | sdubois92 | it might come with it, my screen resolution is screwed up so a lot of text is being cut |
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| 03:10.23 | sdubois92 | it says provides: x-window manager |
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| 03:14.01 | sdubois92 | maybe someone else can help me with this |
| 03:14.09 | t1 | maybe |
| 03:14.25 | sdubois92 | i installed debian sarge, i want to get fluxbox, does it include X? |
| 03:14.33 | t1 | no idea |
| 03:14.38 | t1 | i dont deal w/ 3rd parties :l |
| 03:14.47 | sdubois92 | 3rd parties? |
| 03:15.19 | Kevin` | I doubt fluxbox is dependent on an X server, as you could use any type of X server with it |
| 03:15.27 | Kevin` | probably you'll have to tell it to install xorg |
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| 03:16.11 | sdubois92 | i did apt-cache showpkg fluxbox and it says Provides: X-Window-manager |
| 03:16.26 | Kevin` | and? |
| 03:16.42 | Kevin` | it is indeed a window manager |
| 03:16.42 | sdubois92 | so i should be allset just doing apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 03:17.05 | Kevin` | if you do that it will install fluxbox, which you could run on an X server |
| 03:17.07 | SerajewelKS | sdubois92: is an X server installed? |
| 03:17.15 | Kevin` | if you don't have an x server anywhere you wouldn't be set |
| 03:17.16 | sdubois92 | i dont think so |
| 03:17.26 | sdubois92 | thats the whole reason why im here |
| 03:17.34 | SerajewelKS | sdubois92: aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 03:18.47 | sdubois92 | got it |
| 03:18.52 | sdubois92 | now just get flux and im good? |
| 03:19.17 | SerajewelKS | sdubois92: try it and see |
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| 03:21.02 | sdubois92 | um, aptitude install xserver-xorg doesnt exist |
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| 03:21.17 | SerajewelKS | xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:21.29 | Kevin` | sdubois92 which, aptitude or xorg |
| 03:21.45 | sdubois92 | free86 is working |
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| 03:22.26 | sdubois92 | when it asks for my x server driver what do i put? |
| 03:22.28 | sdubois92 | vga? |
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| 03:23.02 | SerajewelKS | depends on your video card |
| 03:24.01 | lindenle | Hi my etch system hangs at "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem". I am chrooted into it and can install deb's but nothing seems to make it boot again, any thoughts? |
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| 03:26.14 | eyeris | My etch-rc1/amd64/netinst installation from a USB flash drive continues to either freeze or restart my computer either right after it loads the AT keyboard driver or right after it loads the NMI Watchdog. Setting nmi_watchdog=0 does not help and specifying noacpi does not help -- although sometimes setting noacpi causes an OOOPS. Anyone have any ideas for me? |
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| 03:26.58 | sdubois92 | how do i check my video card to see what i need to put in when i install X |
| 03:27.05 | SerajewelKS | sdubois92: do you even know what kind of video card you have? |
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| 03:27.06 | eyeris | sdubois92, open your computer case? |
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| 03:27.55 | sdubois92 | no i dont |
| 03:28.02 | sdubois92 | its a Trio i think |
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| 03:29.17 | eyeris | S3 Trio? That should be an option in the xconfig script |
| 03:29.20 | eyeris | bbi10 |
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| 03:32.57 | rc-1 | my external hd isnt showing up in lsusb, it worked just yesterday any ideas why? sounds like hd is starting when i turn it on |
| 03:33.32 | t1 | make sure the cables are attached ? |
| 03:33.36 | t1 | securely |
| 03:33.42 | t1 | check cmos to see if its detecting |
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| 03:34.53 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am trying to configure a dual head Matrox g400/G450 card. i followed Xinerama howto guide. but i can't seem to get it work . http://channels.debian.net/paste/4808. i have tried using the binary drivers from maxtrox. but it ain';t working because it works for X. 7.0.0 . i have X 7.1.1 installed would appreciate some help. |
| 03:35.08 | rahul | I have X11. |
| 03:35.33 | rc-1 | yeah checked cables, not showing up in lshw either :( |
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| 03:36.08 | rahul | what's a good network monioring program. something that shows tcp and udp connections etc |
| 03:36.24 | rahul | there was a good one, I forget what it's called. a curses-based thingamabob |
| 03:36.39 | telexicon | what would you use to manage a large amount of computers? to do things like remotely install software, install images using PXE? is there already some open source software that does this? |
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| 03:37.34 | rahul | it had some ridiculous name that made no sense... grrrrrrrr |
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| 03:38.28 | rahul | holy crap |
| 03:38.31 | lindenle | So nooone knows how to solve this Waiting for root file system problem? |
| 03:38.34 | rahul | my computer exploded at me |
| 03:38.38 | rahul | that rocked. |
| 03:38.38 | lindenle | It is driving me nuts |
| 03:38.58 | rahul | I wish I could have seen nightwish live. oh well. operatika better be taking up the slack. |
| 03:39.23 | PingFloyd | lindenle: does the root fs ever end up mounting? |
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| 03:39.44 | lindenle | PingFloyd: no it drops to some busybox shell |
| 03:40.12 | PingFloyd | is your '/' entry set up right in your fstab? |
| 03:40.39 | ongeboren | what's the point of those pdiff things when doing apt-get update ? I'm now waiting 2 minutes to get 600KB of those pdiffs and the same time to get 150MB or packages ? |
| 03:40.59 | ongeboren | before it was just 2-3 seconds to get the packages list.. |
| 03:41.28 | PingFloyd | ongeboren: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 03:41.36 | ongeboren | i don't know who's the person who came up with this, but this is wrong |
| 03:41.38 | rahul | um |
| 03:41.40 | ongeboren | unstable |
| 03:41.45 | rahul | what's the deal with sources.list these days? |
| 03:41.58 | PingFloyd | that sort of things comes with the territory of unstable |
| 03:42.07 | rahul | I moved my old sources.list to the sources.list.d and it's not recognizing it |
| 03:42.18 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/279568 - any ideas? |
| 03:42.29 | ongeboren | well, i guess it's the right place to discuss this kind of things, isn't it ? |
| 03:42.41 | rahul | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 03:42.43 | PingFloyd | not really |
| 03:42.46 | rahul | is that totally bogus? |
| 03:42.55 | PingFloyd | this place isn't really going to be helpful for that sort of problem |
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| 03:43.15 | Kevin` | rahul that looks valid.. |
| 03:43.26 | ongeboren | well, then maybe this place will show me where to go, somewhere else then hell, i hope |
| 03:43.28 | rahul | photino# apt-get update |
| 03:43.28 | rahul | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:43.29 | ongeboren | :> |
| 03:43.32 | rahul | and that's it. |
| 03:43.47 | rahul | ongeboren: debian-devel@lists.d.o for sure |
| 03:43.53 | Kevin` | any ideas why ssh isn't working? |
| 03:44.00 | lindenle | PingFloyd: But I have it all the way up chrooted and I am willing to try anything at this point. Suggestions? |
| 03:44.19 | ongeboren | aha, i'll search the archives right now, thanks |
| 03:44.35 | PingFloyd | I think google or other search engines are more likely to be more helpful |
| 03:44.43 | rahul | so um... |
| 03:44.50 | rahul | does apt work for anyone? :P |
| 03:44.59 | Kevin` | rahul yes |
| 03:45.06 | rahul | it's ignoring my sources. |
| 03:45.10 | rahul | completely. |
| 03:45.25 | PingFloyd | lindenle|home: where are you getting this message? on bootup, during an install? |
| 03:45.32 | lindenle|home | bootup |
| 03:45.34 | rahul | does the filename in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ matter? I called it "local" |
| 03:45.40 | lindenle|home | PingFloyd:bootup |
| 03:45.48 | rahul | that's what I always do for my local edits |
| 03:45.52 | PingFloyd | lindenle|home: did you check your fstab? |
| 03:46.28 | lindenle|home | PingFloyd: The machine has run fine since kernel 2.4 - 2.6.12 |
| 03:46.34 | lindenle|home | only died on most recent changes |
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| 03:46.46 | lindenle|home | PingFloyd: And I mean 2.4.2 BTW |
| 03:47.03 | rahul | is there no verbose option to apt-get? |
| 03:47.14 | rahul | there's just verbose-versions that I can see |
| 03:47.16 | PingFloyd | lindenle|home: did you recently change kernels? |
| 03:47.18 | eyeris | Alright, my amd64/d-i netinst installation boot-up hangs with a message "Unknown localized field:\n Description-C.UTF-8:" Does anyone here know what this means and how to get around it? |
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| 03:47.20 | lunaphyte | where can i find syslogd source? |
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| 03:47.35 | rahul | apt-get source syslogd |
| 03:47.36 | tuv | files get corrupted when transferred over nfs. is this normal? is there a solution? |
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| 03:47.51 | tuv | should smb be any better? |
| 03:47.52 | Kevin` | no, that isn't normal |
| 03:48.09 | lunaphyte | rahul: E: Unable to find a source package for syslogd |
| 03:48.09 | tuv | i'm transferring files from x86 to arm, both running debian testing |
| 03:48.15 | rahul | lunaphyte: syslog? |
| 03:48.25 | rahul | dpkg -S =syslogd |
| 03:48.25 | dpkg | Badgers ate my =syslogd! |
| 03:48.31 | rahul | heh. |
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| 03:48.46 | Kevin` | tuv i've used nfs between x86, arm, mips (both big and little endian) without problems like that.. |
| 03:48.48 | rahul | hopefully YOUR dpkg will come back with a better answer |
| 03:48.55 | Jazbo | I do `xdpyinfo` and I see a line like "dimensions: 800x600 pixels (1129x635 millimeters)" Am I really in 800x600 resolution? In my XF86Config-4 I have 1280x720 set. |
| 03:49.11 | jeff2 | how can I permanently automatically make apt-get answer "yes" when it asks if I want to install a package? |
| 03:49.26 | PingFloyd | jazbo: most likely |
| 03:49.28 | rahul | jeff2: bad idea... |
| 03:49.35 | lunaphyte | rahul: dpkg: *=syslogd* not found. |
| 03:49.35 | rahul | jeff2: it might be UNinstalling packages, too |
| 03:49.40 | rahul | lunaphyte: use zsh |
| 03:49.47 | rahul | !zshsmite lunaphyte |
| 03:49.50 | Jazbo | Hmmm so how do I get the resolution to be 1280x720? |
| 03:50.02 | rahul | lunaphyte: dpkg -S `which syslogd` |
| 03:50.28 | tuv | Kevin`, how should i proceed then? i often get 'Error "I/O error" while copying ...' in nautilus |
| 03:50.36 | jeff2 | rahul, still, in the ordinary case the prompt is superfluous |
| 03:50.36 | Kevin` | how do you find which packges contain files you don't have installed? |
| 03:50.45 | PingFloyd | jazbo: it's probably an issue of either wrong setting in XF86Config-4, or an issue with the video driver, or wrong sync setting for your monitor. |
| 03:51.03 | craigevil | try sysklogd |
| 03:51.18 | rahul | jeff2: use -Y (or -y ..?) when you know you want it to have free reign |
| 03:51.21 | lunaphyte | rahul: ah - sysklogd :) thanks |
| 03:51.35 | jeff2 | rahul, is there any way to make apt-get default to -y but disable it on the command-line if necessary? |
| 03:51.44 | tuv | Kevin`, i don't have any problem transferring from arm to x86 |
| 03:51.50 | rahul | jeff2: kind of, but that's not easy. |
| 03:52.03 | rahul | jeff2: you'll probably have to pass a config file string to disable it. |
| 03:52.11 | Kevin` | tuv what arm device are you using? |
| 03:52.15 | Kevin` | (curious) |
| 03:52.25 | rahul | jeff2: which makes it more likely to mess that up, and accidentally start removing half the packages on your system |
| 03:52.29 | tuv | Kevin`, often this error corresponds to 'kernel: nfsd: non-standard errno: -14' on the server's (arm) syslog |
| 03:52.37 | PingFloyd | jazbo: if you take a look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log, it might help you have a better idea |
| 03:52.42 | ongeboren | ahh, Acquire::PDiffs "false"; in apt.conf gets just one big packages list file, instead of pdiffs, funny, this feature was needed in the time of dialups, not now when everybody has 10+mbps :) |
| 03:52.43 | tuv | Kevin`, nslu2, running debian testing with a debian kernel |
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| 03:53.38 | rahul | wtf |
| 03:53.40 | lindenle|home | PingFloyd: Maybe you have some knowledge about what this is and that could help me find a work around, is there scripts being run from the ramdisk now? I thought the scripts did not come until init? I have tried to get around init but no luck. |
| 03:53.51 | rahul | is there some tool that generates a sources.list that works? |
| 03:53.59 | rahul | maybe I'm doing something subtly wrong |
| 03:54.16 | rahul | since there's no such thing as a verbose mode to apt, I can't tell. |
| 03:54.32 | tuv | Kevin`, btw, <Kevin`> how do you find which packges contain files you don't have installed? -> apt-file |
| 03:55.23 | PingFloyd | lindenle|home: I don't have enough information, but I would suspect that it's either an issue with setting in fstab, perhaps your kernel doesn't have the needed filesystem support compiled in for your root filesystem (assuming it's been customized in the first place), is set as a loadable module and you don't have the necessary FS related module in the initrd |
| 03:56.12 | PingFloyd | lindenle|home: that's why I was asking if you changed your kernel recently |
| 03:56.27 | Jazbo | PingFloyd: ah... looking at that log it looks like the wacky SIS video driver I have to use doesn't support 1280x720 only up to 1024-768... |
| 03:56.52 | PingFloyd | jazbo: yeah, that's probably the issue |
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| 03:57.46 | PingFloyd | Jazbo: sometimes it's a matter of experimenting with the XF86Config-4 to get a combination of settings and monitor sync frequencies to play nice together |
| 03:57.50 | niru | hello all |
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| 03:58.16 | PingFloyd | jazbo: X tends to autodetect alot, but it doesn't always workout with all systems |
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| 03:58.31 | rahul | ARRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 03:58.45 | PingFloyd | i.e. tries to figure out a good videomode at an optimal refresh rate |
| 03:58.48 | PingFloyd | etc. |
| 03:59.22 | PingFloyd | My system is a pain like that to where I had to experiment and get it to display like it should |
| 03:59.50 | Jazbo | PingFloyd: yah I'm seeing a lot of "(hsync out of range)" |
| 03:59.56 | PingFloyd | on some versions of Xorg, I even have to revert to using more generic drivers like 'vesa' to get any video at all |
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| 04:00.15 | Kitu | who know gatos ? |
| 04:00.15 | PingFloyd | Jazbo: makes sense then, that's what I had a feeling would probably show up in there |
| 04:00.29 | Kitu | please |
| 04:00.54 | PingFloyd | Jazbo: this is where you hopefully have the needed spec info for your video card and monitor to get it to work out |
| 04:00.57 | Pf123b | anyone here knows how to kill the mysqld process? I killall it, and it keeps on runing |
| 04:01.10 | rahul | um, so how do I get a working sources.list.d? |
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| 04:01.30 | rahul | apt-spy? |
| 04:01.33 | PingFloyd | Jazbo: since it's probably going require manually putting in some extra setting into the XF86Config-4 |
| 04:01.46 | rc-1 | Dec 14 22:15:30 Andrew kernel: [17182357.556000] end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 4Dec 14 22:21:20 Andrew kernel: [17182707.776000] usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 04:01.47 | Jazbo | PingFloyd: yah trying to google some specs |
| 04:02.23 | PingFloyd | In my case, I used to have a old POS monitor where no info anywhere on the net could ever be found about it. So I was stuck with 800x600 until I got a new one |
| 04:02.26 | rc-1 | any idea what that means? (my usb drive isnt showing up) |
| 04:02.47 | Kitu | Jazbo do you search ati driver ? |
| 04:02.47 | rahul | rc-1: do you have scsi disk support in the kernel? |
| 04:02.52 | PingFloyd | To make matters worse, it was a hand me down that the original owner lost the manual for :( |
| 04:03.02 | Jazbo | Kitu: not ati |
| 04:03.07 | Kitu | ok |
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| 04:03.44 | rc-1 | rahul, sorry, dont know what that means :\ the hd worked yesterday |
| 04:03.53 | rc-1 | now not even showing up in lsusb |
| 04:04.18 | PingFloyd | lindenle|home: Do understand what I was saying about the kernel? |
| 04:04.27 | Kitu | nobody know gatos driver ? |
| 04:04.38 | rahul | rc-1: probably not the problem then |
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| 04:05.44 | rc-1 | rahul, it sounds like its running fine, but just not showing up anywhere, any ideas to fix? (thanks for help btw) |
| 04:05.48 | Jazbo | Is lspci the only way to get info on my video adapter, or is there something that will give more specific info on the exact model? |
| 04:06.03 | rahul | rc-1: dunno.... the kernel finds it ok |
| 04:06.28 | rahul | Jazbo: lspci shows everything the card tells the computer about what it has |
| 04:06.28 | PingFloyd | there's another tool that will give some other info, but I can't think of the name offhand |
| 04:06.59 | rahul | Jazbo: which is all you need to get the right driver for the X server figured out |
| 04:07.42 | PingFloyd | I remember now |
| 04:07.51 | PingFloyd | read-edid may be helpful |
| 04:07.55 | rahul | zsh: segmentation fault apt-spy -d testing -s US |
| 04:08.00 | rahul | motherfucker. it keeps doing that |
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| 04:08.13 | rahul | !lart apt-spy |
| 04:08.17 | rahul | good idea. |
| 04:08.22 | PingFloyd | jazbo: read-edid and get-edid may be somewhat helpful |
| 04:08.24 | lindenle | PingFloyd: I missed it b/c my laptop suspended, what did you say? |
| 04:08.55 | PingFloyd | lindenle: did this happen after changing or rebuilding a kernel? |
| 04:10.47 | lindenle | PingFloyd: This is a debian linux-image package, I am not exactly sure when it happened b/c I never really reboot this machine. (Mail Server, hence my panic) |
| 04:11.40 | PingFloyd | lindenle: when was the last time you ran fsck on the root fs? |
| 04:11.47 | rahul | so um |
| 04:11.54 | lindenle | PingFloyd: I can do it now if you want |
| 04:11.55 | rahul | is there anything except apt-spy that works? |
| 04:12.10 | rahul | photino# apt-spy -d testing -s US -c 2 |
| 04:12.10 | rahul | fopen: No such file or directory |
| 04:12.21 | rahul | fuck. that's an e |
| 04:12.28 | PingFloyd | lindenle: probably would be a good idea to, may fix the problem, may not, but it sounds like it may be overdo for one anyway |
| 04:12.49 | lindenle | PingFloyd: I am pretty sure it is not the problem but I can give it a go |
| 04:12.53 | rahul | WTF! |
| 04:12.56 | rahul | apt: WTF! |
| 04:12.58 | apt | who? |
| 04:13.10 | PingFloyd | lindenle: just make sure you umount the fs that you're fscking |
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| 04:13.15 | rahul | this is ridiculous |
| 04:13.27 | rahul | does anyone have a sources.list that actually is recognized by apt? |
| 04:13.32 | lindenle | PingFloyd: I am booted to DSL right now and running the system chrooted with mail and web up, sort of a hoakie situation |
| 04:13.41 | rahul | plz dcc me the juarez. |
| 04:13.50 | rahul | kthx. |
| 04:13.56 | Jazbo | PingFloyd: thanks. time to restart x a few times... |
| 04:14.02 | PingFloyd | sounds like you're covered then, probably a good idea to double-check that / is unmounted though |
| 04:14.06 | Guerin | deb http://mirror.inspire.net.nz/debian sid main |
| 04:14.12 | lindenle | rahul: ftp.debian.us.org |
| 04:14.17 | rahul | lindenle: the file |
| 04:14.25 | rahul | I have mirrors. the file is ignored by apt |
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| 04:14.36 | rahul | .nz. yikes. |
| 04:14.37 | cougar` | chmod 600 sets R/W to Group but denies Owner and Other right? |
| 04:14.39 | rc-1 | please help if u can i have my final project on that external hd :( |
| 04:14.39 | Guerin | rahul: anything in sources.list.d? |
| 04:14.43 | rahul | Guerin: yes |
| 04:14.52 | Guerin | rahul: perhaps it's taking that in preference? |
| 04:14.53 | PingFloyd | rahul: did you try looking at the mirror list on debian's site? |
| 04:14.57 | rahul | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1319 Dec 11 18:12 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/local |
| 04:15.04 | Guerin | PingFloyd: do not underestimate the reahul. |
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| 04:15.13 | rahul | you misunderestimate me |
| 04:15.14 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Well I kind of want to make sure that I have a solution that will do something before I go through all the trouble of rebooting this chroot again...getting frustrated |
| 04:15.24 | rahul | deb http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:15.33 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Have the latest kernel and udev and mkinitrd etc etc |
| 04:15.38 | PingFloyd | I don't make assumption one way or the other, never get down to the bottom of problem by making assumptions |
| 04:15.38 | rahul | am I doing something stupid there? |
| 04:15.55 | rahul | I can get rid of non-us, right? |
| 04:15.58 | lindenle | PingFloyd: but there should be a systematic way to approach the problem.... |
| 04:16.31 | Guerin | rahul: that looks normal |
| 04:16.39 | PingFloyd | lindenle: you can check before rebooting by trying to manually mount it |
| 04:16.45 | rahul | this is retarded. |
| 04:17.13 | Guerin | rahul: hang on |
| 04:17.38 | lindenle | PingFloyd: It is mounted now..I am talking to you from inside the chrooted system |
| 04:17.47 | Guerin | rahul: feayn.org/~lewis/sources/list |
| 04:17.54 | Guerin | err, change the / to a . |
| 04:18.31 | PingFloyd | lindenle: what type of filesystem is your / fs? |
| 04:18.35 | rahul | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:18.55 | Guerin | rahul: that's the one I actually use, so it PlaysForSure |
| 04:19.28 | rahul | Guerin: what filename do you have it as? |
| 04:19.40 | Guerin | rahul: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:19.52 | rahul | wtf |
| 04:20.00 | rahul | what about sources.list.d? |
| 04:20.01 | Guerin | rahul: i have no files in sources.list.d |
| 04:20.04 | lindenle | PingFloyd: ext3 |
| 04:20.12 | rahul | !penixstrike apt |
| 04:20.12 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking apt to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 04:20.17 | lindenle | PingFloyd: /boot is ext2 |
| 04:20.37 | rahul | WTF. |
| 04:20.40 | rahul | that's all it was |
| 04:20.50 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Honestly this machine probably could use a new install but I have ~500GB of data I would need to re-locate...;) |
| 04:21.12 | PingFloyd | lindenle: is the root fs also ext2? |
| 04:21.27 | lindenle | PingFloyd: no ext3 |
| 04:23.43 | Guerin | rahul: some files in .d? |
| 04:23.52 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Everything I have seen on google about this seems to point to udev or initrd, but I have the latest udev and the initrd was rebuilt when kernel package was installed |
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| 04:24.29 | lindenle | PingFloyd: I do have a pci ide controller installed...could it be causing problens all of a sudden? |
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| 04:24.43 | rahul | Guerin: files in .d are ignored |
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| 04:24.54 | Guerin | hm, so what worked? |
| 04:24.56 | rahul | Guerin: apt moved my old sources.list to sources.list.bak |
| 04:25.01 | PingFloyd | lindenle: possibly, if it doesn't have the necessary support being loaded |
| 04:25.02 | rahul | I moved it back to sources.list |
| 04:25.08 | Guerin | muh |
| 04:25.15 | Guerin | that's retarded |
| 04:25.16 | rahul | yeah. wtf. |
| 04:25.42 | PingFloyd | lindenle: did you run fsck -f yet? |
| 04:25.49 | lindenle | PingFloyd: But it is not where the root filesystem is and it sees all the disks. BTW what the heck is this script anyway..is it in the initrd? |
| 04:26.15 | lindenle | PingFloyd: will do now back in a moment |
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| 04:26.56 | Guerin | holy fuck |
| 04:27.05 | Guerin | google turns up some of the evilest pages |
| 04:27.13 | Guerin | check this out: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=20090849 |
| 04:27.15 | rahul | do no evil |
| 04:27.23 | Guerin | have you ever seen anything so fucking bad? |
| 04:27.34 | rahul | Guerin: from the url it's probably rather evil |
| 04:27.48 | Guerin | it's more evil than that |
| 04:27.50 | rahul | Guerin: mine is cooler. |
| 04:27.58 | rahul | (but that's a given) |
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| 04:28.14 | rahul | profile.myspace.com/photinodecay <- cool. |
| 04:28.25 | rahul | shit |
| 04:28.30 | rahul | is this gonna crash my browser? |
| 04:28.35 | Guerin | omgrahulpix! |
| 04:28.44 | rahul | my scrollbar has no thumb |
| 04:28.46 | Guerin | rahul: it might, if you have less than a gig of ram |
| 04:28.49 | rahul | fuck |
| 04:28.54 | rahul | !rape Guerin |
| 04:29.13 | Guerin | i warned you |
| 04:30.35 | Guerin | rahul: anyway, what you got to say about this? http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061208/od_nm/india_condoms_size_dc |
| 04:31.26 | rahul | Guerin: we've evolved to not need the length. it's a waste of energy when you're as good as us. |
| 04:31.31 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:31.33 | PingFloyd | that guy has enough crap on there |
| 04:31.42 | PingFloyd | took forever to load on mine |
| 04:31.54 | PingFloyd | didn't crash my browser though |
| 04:32.02 | rahul | I only have 256MB ram |
| 04:32.05 | Guerin | i think it blew out my monthly data cap |
| 04:32.06 | PingFloyd | only got 128MB dram |
| 04:32.11 | rahul | wtf |
| 04:32.14 | rahul | !rape PingFloyd |
| 04:32.31 | PingFloyd | my system is even more anemic than yours :) |
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| 04:33.21 | rahul | athlon xp 1700+ |
| 04:33.25 | PingFloyd | PII 300 |
| 04:33.29 | rahul | haha |
| 04:33.31 | rahul | holy shit |
| 04:33.39 | rahul | my old machine was a k6-3 450 |
| 04:33.45 | PingFloyd | and I'm running with gnome :) |
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| 04:33.58 | rahul | I used to be stupid, too, once |
| 04:34.00 | Guerin | p4-2.6 here |
| 04:34.05 | Guerin | fastest I ever owned |
| 04:34.07 | rahul | dondelelcaro: heh. |
| 04:34.15 | PingFloyd | amazingly this system hasn't crashed yet |
| 04:34.24 | sid | How can I see the originating ip with my gmail account. ie, if someone sent me an email how can I see the smtp mail server ip information etc. |
| 04:34.34 | rahul | we're using openbsd inetd these days? |
| 04:34.43 | PingFloyd | dondelelcaro: are you serious? |
| 04:34.45 | dondelelcaro | granted, the latter's entire purpose in life is to interface with an ancient D/A converter which can't handle a faster machine |
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| 04:35.13 | PingFloyd | are you on the 68020 right now? |
| 04:35.19 | Guerin | sid: if it's not in the headers, you can't |
| 04:35.34 | rahul | wtf? mp3burn is dead? |
| 04:35.35 | Guerin | sid: most MTAs keep the originating (helo) ip address, but not all |
| 04:35.38 | dondelelcaro | PingFloyd: the 68020 is an a mac portable |
| 04:35.40 | rahul | what replaces it? |
| 04:35.40 | sid | Guerin: Where do I see the headers? |
| 04:35.53 | PingFloyd | I figured it was probably a mac or amiga |
| 04:35.55 | Guerin | sid: in any good email client |
| 04:36.15 | sid | I never used email clients, I'll apt-get thunderbird quickly I guess |
| 04:36.23 | Guerin | i said a GOOD client |
| 04:36.28 | sid | pine? |
| 04:36.29 | dondelelcaro | ugh. use mutt |
| 04:36.32 | sid | k |
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| 04:36.42 | Guerin | even just read it off the spool |
| 04:36.46 | dondelelcaro | there are two good email clients. One of them is mutt, the other is GNUS. |
| 04:37.26 | rahul | heh |
| 04:37.27 | PingFloyd | I don't even run email clients locally |
| 04:37.31 | rahul | sid: you sick bastard |
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| 04:37.45 | rahul | thunderbird? pine? what next? MS outlook? |
| 04:37.55 | rahul | dondelelcaro: amen |
| 04:38.00 | grendal_prime | ok is hotplug, like a bad thing now...i mean in etch? |
| 04:38.01 | sid | I dunno, I've never used any mail clients |
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| 04:38.15 | sid | I used to use pine on an old VAX at my school. |
| 04:38.29 | pickcoder | I use pine occasionally |
| 04:38.31 | sid | since I could ssh into the wax, and the "Webmail" software(that isn't developed anymore) is non-encrypted login. |
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| 04:38.35 | rahul | the only thing good about VAX is VMS's versioned FS. |
| 04:38.36 | grendal_prime | if i try and add hotplug, aptitude wants to yank out a buch of other stuff |
| 04:38.37 | sid | So I would ssh into the vax and use pine. |
| 04:38.44 | Guerin | hell, i even use emacs as my mutt editor |
| 04:38.45 | sid | The only other client I've heard a lot about is thunderbird. |
| 04:38.48 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: if you have udev, you don't want hotplug |
| 04:38.56 | rahul | Guerin: you wierdo |
| 04:38.56 | sid | s/wax/vax |
| 04:38.57 | grendal_prime | o |
| 04:38.59 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 04:39.02 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Just had a look and i know what is happening..even though i do not know how to solve it |
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| 04:39.08 | rahul | Guerin: gnus is pretty damn rocking. |
| 04:39.10 | amphi | Guerin: heh, vim is my mutt editor |
| 04:39.18 | rahul | amphi: that would make _sense_ |
| 04:39.22 | Guerin | mm, maybe I should figure out gnus |
| 04:39.23 | PingFloyd | lindenle: what did you find? |
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| 04:39.27 | grendal_prime | I always thought i had udev before.. |
| 04:39.29 | lindenle | PingFloyd: The master disk is becoming hde and the one on the pci card is hda.... |
| 04:39.33 | Guerin | i have mutt set up just how I like, though |
| 04:39.40 | Jazbo | Is there a way to pipe data to my clipboard? |
| 04:39.42 | grendal_prime | i guess i didnt though. |
| 04:39.42 | rahul | Guerin: I have about 4 email accounts and 2 news servers going through gnus |
| 04:39.44 | Kitu | ahhhhhhh |
| 04:39.48 | Kitu | :( |
| 04:39.53 | PingFloyd | lindenle: there's a setting in the kernel that can change that |
| 04:39.58 | lindenle | PingFloyd: So of course it can't find hda3 b/c there is only one partition on the pci disk |
| 04:40.18 | Kitu | magicbox:/usr/local/lib# /usr/bin/gatos-conf | Unable to open /etc/XF86Config or /etc/X11/XF86Config/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:40.21 | lindenle | PingFloyd: You know it off the top is it one of these 0x88 etc bios address things? |
| 04:40.27 | sid | hmm, is mutt just a reader? I can't find anything about pop3 in the man page. |
| 04:40.44 | Guerin | sid: it does pop and imap but not smtp |
| 04:40.45 | Kitu | and i can't configure the path for xorg.conf in gatos.conf :( |
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| 04:40.48 | PingFloyd | lindenle: it's one of the config options in the kernel config |
| 04:40.52 | Kitu | please help me |
| 04:41.00 | rahul | SWEEEEEEET |
| 04:41.02 | lindenle | PingFloyd: ide=reverse? |
| 04:41.03 | PingFloyd | lindenle: let me check and see if I can refresh my memory |
| 04:41.05 | Kitu | DREAAAAAAAM |
| 04:41.06 | mike_kayaker | whats broken? |
| 04:41.06 | Guerin | cougar`: hit `c' and enter pop3://user@host.tld |
| 04:41.12 | rahul | my backup.tar.gz has my xkb tweaks |
| 04:41.13 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:41.14 | Guerin | sid: |
| 04:41.15 | sid | Guerin: To grab the email from gmail, all I need is mutt? |
| 04:41.19 | sid | k |
| 04:41.21 | Guerin | sid: if it has pop3 |
| 04:41.30 | sid | yes, it does |
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| 04:41.57 | rahul | criss angel is like Korn, but good. |
| 04:42.13 | pickcoder | K0rn |
| 04:42.15 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:42.16 | Guerin | korn ... gods |
| 04:42.24 | Guerin | does anyone actually listen to them? |
| 04:42.30 | pickcoder | yup |
| 04:42.34 | pickcoder | as well as Static-X |
| 04:42.39 | rahul | heh. |
| 04:42.48 | Guerin | i mean |
| 04:42.49 | rahul | I think static-x has one song I kinda like |
| 04:42.52 | criscoboy | brb |
| 04:42.53 | grendal_prime | tenatious D |
| 04:43.00 | rahul | not sure if korn has one I like |
| 04:43.03 | Guerin | if I want ugly-sounding crunge-noise I go straight for Helmet |
| 04:43.11 | pickcoder | that's mixed in with my Chic Corea and James Taylor |
| 04:43.11 | rahul | hehe yeah |
| 04:43.12 | Guerin | and tenacious d is a joke |
| 04:43.24 | grendal_prime | f$&* you softly |
| 04:43.26 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 04:43.33 | grendal_prime | of course its a joke |
| 04:43.36 | rahul | wtf is thunderstone |
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| 04:43.51 | rahul | they're like skid row doing eye of the tiger |
| 04:43.51 | grendal_prime | its jack black |
| 04:43.58 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:44.01 | SkIzZaTo | hello |
| 04:44.02 | Guerin | can't stand 'im |
| 04:44.07 | SkIzZaTo | i'am italy |
| 04:44.10 | SkIzZaTo | :°D |
| 04:44.17 | Guerin | sid: buongiorno |
| 04:44.19 | Guerin | SkIzZaTo: |
| 04:44.26 | SkIzZaTo | C'è qualke italiano ? |
| 04:44.31 | Guerin | nope |
| 04:44.32 | peterS | SkIzZaTo: #debian-it |
| 04:44.34 | SkIzZaTo | o qualkuno che mi capisce ? |
| 04:44.35 | Guerin | that's all I know |
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| 04:44.55 | peterS | SkIzZaTo: ci sono gli italiani sul canale #debian-it |
| 04:45.04 | SkIzZaTo | grazie |
| 04:45.04 | Guerin | and `chianti', `barolo', `montepulciano' and `valpolicella' |
| 04:45.05 | SkIzZaTo | :°D |
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| 04:45.41 | rahul | mozzarella! |
| 04:45.43 | SkIzZaTo | raga dove posso prendere un pasybnc = Bouncer Per questo server ? |
| 04:45.52 | Kitu | ok ... |
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| 04:46.00 | rahul | SkIzZaTo: learn how to use ssh. |
| 04:46.11 | SkIzZaTo | ? |
| 04:46.18 | Kitu | what is the kernel sources package please for 2.6.18-k7 kernel ? |
| 04:46.19 | SkIzZaTo | non capisco un TuBo :D |
| 04:46.25 | rahul | ssh server irssi |
| 04:46.32 | SkIzZaTo | rahul |
| 04:46.37 | SkIzZaTo | tu lo hai ? |
| 04:46.38 | Guerin | Kitu: linux-source-2.6.18 |
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| 04:46.44 | Kitu | thx |
| 04:46.48 | Guerin | !thx |
| 04:46.48 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 04:47.00 | Kitu | ery good sound |
| 04:47.01 | SkIzZaTo | rahul you ave ssh ? |
| 04:47.13 | rahul | SkIzZaTo: um, who doesn't? |
| 04:47.32 | SkIzZaTo | rahul i'am italy |
| 04:47.40 | rahul | no you're not a country. you are italian. |
| 04:47.41 | SkIzZaTo | no spik english |
| 04:47.42 | SkIzZaTo | me |
| 04:47.44 | Guerin | !tell SkIzZaTo about free shells |
| 04:47.55 | Guerin | !tell SkIzZaTo about free shell |
| 04:48.06 | PingFloyd | lindenle: which ide interface is the hd with your / partition on? |
| 04:48.12 | Guerin | SkIzZaTo: go there for a shell, then you can have ssh |
| 04:48.12 | SkIzZaTo | !tell ? |
| 04:48.15 | rahul | SkIzZaTo: apt-get install sshd. |
| 04:48.18 | PingFloyd | lindenle: onboard or on the pci card? |
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| 04:48.49 | lindenle | PingFloyd: on board ide0 master |
| 04:48.59 | Jazbo | is there a file where the contents of the standart X clipboard is stored? |
| 04:49.05 | rahul | Jazbo: um no |
| 04:49.14 | rahul | Jazbo: what would be the point of that? |
| 04:49.24 | rahul | Jazbo: and where would it store it on a diskless client? |
| 04:49.39 | Jazbo | rahul: Is there some way to pipe data onto the clipboard? |
| 04:50.04 | rahul | Jazbo: I think it's called xclip |
| 04:50.11 | rahul | dpkg xclip |
| 04:50.54 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Did you find it yet, im having no luck |
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| 04:52.07 | rahul | for a shit emo-punk band, tsunami bomb isn't bad |
| 04:53.12 | Guerin | rahul: seek out Gogol Bordello |
| 04:53.27 | rahul | heard of them |
| 04:53.34 | rahul | pandora hasn't played them for me... hrm |
| 04:53.37 | Guerin | they own |
| 04:54.02 | rahul | I've been listening to a lot of power metal lately |
| 04:54.05 | rahul | and goth metal |
| 04:54.44 | rahul | I leave punk to local bands |
| 04:54.52 | rahul | but that's mostly progressive punk |
| 04:54.56 | Guerin | and lots of persian/arabian music |
| 04:55.06 | rahul | (as though such a thing makes conceptual sense, but whatever) |
| 04:55.07 | Guerin | yeah, I have no time for nouveau-punk |
| 04:55.21 | rahul | this stuff is rather cool |
| 04:55.28 | rahul | pistola is good stuff |
| 04:55.45 | rahul | devola has a cute lead singer who likes to play with my nose |
| 04:55.48 | CHodapp | last few punk bands I've seen... the drummer and guitarist weren't even playing the same damn song. |
| 04:55.50 | PingFloyd | lindenle: you might try that ide=reverse. The docs are kind of ambiguous about it, but it sort of sound like that might have an effect |
| 04:56.04 | lindenle | PingFloyd: no go already tried it |
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| 04:56.42 | lindenle | Anybody know how to force my onboard drive to still be hda when i have a PCI IDE controller too? |
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| 04:57.29 | iLLf8d | lindenle, yeah in your bios |
| 04:57.36 | sid | Guerin: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/vIZlHk22.html |
| 04:58.05 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.12 | sid | Guerin: 24.184.45.236 is the originating ip? |
| 04:58.31 | iLLf8d | lindenle, theres probably more then one setting in the bios |
| 04:58.37 | pickcoder | lindenle: what is your boot preference/order |
| 04:58.39 | iLLf8d | and its usually in the bios |
| 04:59.01 | iLLf8d | lindenle, on the ancient cards there can be a jumper if its really old |
| 04:59.24 | lindenle | pickcoder: boot from master on board but once linux is in memory on board master is no longer hda and my system hangs. |
| 04:59.40 | pickcoder | lindenle: are you using grub? |
| 04:59.44 | Guerin | sid: look at the timestamps on each smtp header. Not the hour timestamp, only the minute and second |
| 04:59.46 | lindenle | iLLf8d: The problem only happens after inital bootstrap once linux is in memory |
| 04:59.52 | lindenle | pickcoder: yes |
| 04:59.58 | pickcoder | lindenle: check out "map" |
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| 05:00.24 | Guerin | sid: the earliest might be your helo, but in this case it seems unlikely, since it looks like a comcast smtpd |
| 05:01.19 | SkIzZaTo | rahul |
| 05:01.24 | SkIzZaTo | Guarda :°D |
| 05:01.25 | Guerin | bah, i'm helping some bastard with his homework |
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| 05:01.33 | lindenle | pickcoder: ok , but im not exactly sure how this applies to my problem |
| 05:01.43 | pickcoder | lindenle: you can swap the two drives |
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| 05:02.06 | lindenle | but grub is fine, it finds the kernel and boots it, the kernel is what is confused |
| 05:02.13 | rahul | !ops bot joins: n=wHt*@151.83.0.164 |
| 05:02.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: rahul complains about: bot joins: n=wHt*@151.83.0.164 |
| 05:02.31 | pickcoder | map will make hd1 be hd0 |
| 05:02.35 | pickcoder | and vice versa |
| 05:02.40 | pickcoder | if you set it up that way |
| 05:02.52 | rahul | !kawfee |
| 05:02.52 | dpkg | somebody said kawfee was KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier, or see also smartass |
| 05:02.59 | rahul | haha |
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| 05:03.06 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@151.83.0.164] by peterS |
| 05:03.07 | Guerin | long gone |
| 05:03.07 | lindenle | pickcoder: I see that but the kernel talks to bios to get drive names not grub ...right? |
| 05:03.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 05:03.12 | rahul | kawfee's a smart anything? |
| 05:03.35 | cast | hmmm. now say computer A connects to computer B, is there a way to tell it was A to B and not B to A [over tcp] with netstat or the like after the connections been established? somehow conky can tell the diff between inbound and out bound connections |
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| 05:03.52 | pickcoder | lindenle: where exactly in the boot process is it hanging |
| 05:03.53 | Guerin | sid: out of curiosity, what educational level is this? |
| 05:04.19 | lindenle | pickcoder: hda is fine at the grub stage but once I get into kernel and it tries to mount root filesystem it cannot find hda3 b/c hda -> hde now (PCI IDE card) |
| 05:04.47 | rahul | Guerin: well, I got gogol bordello's first myspace song to play |
| 05:04.53 | rahul | Guerin: can't get the second one to start |
| 05:05.00 | pickcoder | lindenle: oh.. do you have hotplug installed? |
| 05:05.07 | rahul | buttplug. |
| 05:05.19 | lindenle | pickcoder: no udev (2.6.18) |
| 05:05.19 | Guerin | rahul: tpb |
| 05:05.26 | peterS | hot plugging action |
| 05:05.39 | Guerin | whoar! |
| 05:06.11 | rahul | non-us is gone, right? |
| 05:06.17 | Guerin | rahul: 1 |
| 05:06.23 | rahul | heh |
| 05:06.27 | rahul | Guerin: are you drunk? |
| 05:06.31 | Guerin | rahul: not yet |
| 05:06.34 | rahul | nice |
| 05:08.05 | rahul | why is pj harvey's music mixed so low? |
| 05:08.16 | Guerin | rahul: it always is, eh |
| 05:08.20 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 05:08.28 | Guerin | and a bit flat, though that's a stylistic thing |
| 05:08.31 | rahul | right |
| 05:08.48 | rahul | devola's lead singer is a total pj harvey fan |
| 05:08.55 | Guerin | the peej is a goddess |
| 05:09.11 | Guerin | Long Snake Moan represents all that was good about hard rock in the 1990s |
| 05:09.14 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.34 | pickcoder | lindenle: are you loading a PCI module at boot up? |
| 05:09.38 | Guerin | lindenle: read the kernel documentation - if not, then no. |
| 05:09.43 | sid | Guerin: It's senior level college work. heh |
| 05:09.51 | Guerin | sid: fuck, seriously? |
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| 05:10.03 | Guerin | this is elementary, trivial stuff |
| 05:10.05 | sid | But my school sucks |
| 05:10.11 | streuner | Guerin: what's wrong about to get some help somewhere else? |
| 05:10.15 | sid | Guerin: I know |
| 05:10.32 | Guerin | streuner: if nothing, the prof won't care ;) |
| 05:10.59 | Guerin | streuner: this isn't compsci, though |
| 05:11.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:11.11 | rahul | in comp.lang.lisp, we use the Y combinator when people ask for answers to homework |
| 05:11.11 | Guerin | sid: this isn't compsci, though |
| 05:11.22 | sid | Guerin: "security systems" is the major. |
| 05:11.22 | rahul | dvorak1 |
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| 05:11.23 | PingFloyd | lindenle: the kernel config option that's related is BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD |
| 05:11.34 | Guerin | man, I need to do a degree like that |
| 05:11.42 | Guerin | instead of my masters in polisci |
| 05:11.44 | lindenle | PingFloyd: yes, why is it enabled by default? |
| 05:11.48 | sid | Guerin: compsci doesn't even do this at my school. it's even less. |
| 05:11.55 | lindenle | PingFloyd: In my opinion this is nuts |
| 05:11.56 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:11.59 | schme | Guerin: There is nothing wrong with polsci (: |
| 05:12.14 | sid | My school's computer related courses are crappy, the rest is average. |
| 05:12.16 | streuner | sid: so Guerin was right? |
| 05:12.18 | pickcoder | lindenle: the problem is the module load order |
| 05:12.19 | Guerin | schme: no, of course ... but compared to `what is the originating ip address of this email' it's hard fuckign work |
| 05:12.28 | pickcoder | lindenle: are you loading a module in /etc/modules for the PCI card? |
| 05:12.37 | schme | Guerin: Yes.. but so much more interesting (: |
| 05:12.44 | lindenle | pickcoder: i think it is in the kernel itself |
| 05:12.44 | PingFloyd | lindenle: look at the config for the current running kernel in your /boot directory and see if it's enabled or disabled |
| 05:12.48 | Guerin | schme: what are you studying? |
| 05:12.49 | schme | darn tech geeks with their linux! |
| 05:12.57 | schme | Guerin: polsic |
| 05:13.02 | schme | Guerin: polsci too! |
| 05:13.06 | Guerin | schme: yeah, what ideas? |
| 05:13.17 | rshakin | hello |
| 05:13.21 | Guerin | yeah, i'm way more interested in the socio-legal aspects of free software than the technical |
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| 05:13.29 | Guerin | this is why I'm a RMS fanboi |
| 05:13.31 | schme | Guerin: I am heavily into discourse analysis, foucault, gender issues, and what not. |
| 05:13.38 | PingFloyd | lindenle: something else may be causing it, but it would be good to see how it's set for the kernel that you're running with |
| 05:13.47 | sid | Guerin: same, I'm a huge rms fanboy |
| 05:13.52 | Guerin | schme: hah, I do discourse analysis, too, via film/media studies. |
| 05:13.56 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Bringing th chroot back up to check |
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| 05:14.29 | Guerin | schme: alongside indigenous self-determination and tyranny metaphors and general human rightsy stuff |
| 05:14.48 | sid | Guerin: actually the legal aspects of this course aren't bad, the course is called "Cybercrime", it's interesting to see what laws say about "cybercrimes" |
| 05:15.01 | schme | Guerin: Excellent :) The only problem I really have with it is well... You can basically make up any crackpot idea and make it sound "scientific" :D "but look at the discourse!!" |
| 05:15.03 | Guerin | sid: an awful lot of non-technical handwavery |
| 05:15.29 | ndowens | hey all |
| 05:15.33 | Guerin | sid: yes, you can. It's clear to anyone who knows the field that you're full of shit, but people can sound authoritative and say the stupidest shit. |
| 05:15.36 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:15.39 | Guerin | schme: |
| 05:15.45 | sid | Guerin: Well I never actually looked at email headers so it's interesting to me. imho(I feel like a noob) |
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| 05:16.20 | mike_kayaker | Guerin: Just say how ya feel ,,lol |
| 05:16.29 | Guerin | sid: this is part of the reason why using a minimal-force OS is useful - you knwo that there are these things called headers and that they contain useful stuff, because you see them every day |
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| 05:16.39 | sid | I've installed snort and done iptables masquerading on a box, and setup moodle/apache/mysql/php, I can work my way around Debian all I want basically..but I've just never looked at an email header. |
| 05:16.40 | schme | Guerin: Ya. That is the thing tho.. it's easy to see thru by people who know the field. But most people aren't. Which of course would be a nice thing to study. (: |
| 05:16.45 | Guerin | mike_kayaker: i do. GOod riddance to Don Brash! :) |
| 05:17.00 | lindenle | PingFloyd: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set |
| 05:17.20 | rahul | arg |
| 05:17.21 | lindenle | pickcoder: I think the offboard driver is inside kernel |
| 05:17.23 | Guerin | schme: the thing I'm running up against recently are the similarities in discourse between holocaust deniers/neo nazis and ultra-zionists |
| 05:17.26 | rahul | galeon is up to 1.7 GB |
| 05:17.51 | streuner | Guerin: you should more listen to *cool* music :-) |
| 05:17.52 | mike_kayaker | thats a fat browser |
| 05:17.57 | rahul | fucking C/C++ programmers |
| 05:17.58 | Guerin | streuner: define cool |
| 05:18.10 | rahul | Guerin: Dream Evil |
| 05:18.13 | Guerin | rahul: write a browser in lisp! |
| 05:18.24 | streuner | its surely a matter of taste, but TECHNO doesn't help to calm down :-) |
| 05:18.27 | rahul | Guerin: people are working on it. it's justa pain |
| 05:18.36 | streuner | haha |
| 05:18.38 | Guerin | techno is boring |
| 05:18.38 | rahul | streuner: techno is a really vague thing |
| 05:18.55 | rahul | 4 on the floor dance music is useless, yes |
| 05:19.05 | streuner | Guerin: you've never listen to "Digweed" |
| 05:19.16 | lindenle | pickcoder: what modules do you mean? |
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| 05:19.17 | schme | Guerin: It doesn't strike me as surprising that one would find a lot of similarities there no.. A bit ironic perhaps :) |
| 05:19.36 | sid | Guerin: So when someone sends an email from outlook it shows their originating ip? |
| 05:19.36 | schme | john digweed.. mm mmm |
| 05:19.50 | streuner | Guerin: you should know better, that would be the same if you would say, "Rock is boring" and you know HOW wide the range is... |
| 05:19.56 | Guerin | sid: the mail client doesn't define that, the mail *server* does |
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| 05:20.28 | rahul | streuner: techno is usually used to describe crappy trance |
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| 05:20.42 | rahul | good electronica is described as industrial or ambient or whatever |
| 05:21.07 | Guerin | schme: so yeah. Considering doing research on collective post-traumatic stress disorder and the IDF |
| 05:21.07 | sid | Guerin: So when I send out emails with gmail, people can see what ip I sent from? |
| 05:21.21 | Guerin | sid: if gmail faithfully reproduces headers, yes |
| 05:22.08 | streuner | rahul: you didn't adress the wrong guy, but maybe you forgot someone else too..., so thanks for confirmation :-) |
| 05:22.09 | rahul | Guerin: you should listen to criss angel or celldweller if you want hard techno |
| 05:22.26 | schme | Guerin: I am digging a bit into nationalism .. and how power is created by the classic "us and them". With a gender perspective, of course. |
| 05:22.55 | Guerin | schme: nice. My wife is into foucault a bit, she's an anthropologist. |
| 05:22.56 | sid | Guerin: wow, I had no idea. So basically most people who email each other, are able to get each others ip addresses? |
| 05:23.00 | rahul | Guerin: Frou Frou is good for the softer stuff |
| 05:23.02 | Guerin | sid: sure. |
| 05:23.12 | PingFloyd | lindenle: that's good, then you can rule that out |
| 05:23.16 | Guerin | rahul: i like music made with actual instruments |
| 05:23.19 | g333k | I'm planning to install debian sid, whats the minimum size of the partition? |
| 05:23.21 | Guerin | strange, but true |
| 05:23.22 | sid | Guerin: seems unsecure. |
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| 05:23.30 | rahul | Guerin: these are all mixtures |
| 05:23.37 | Guerin | sid: why? |
| 05:23.39 | rahul | Guerin: some sounds you can't make with a physical instrument |
| 05:23.44 | PingFloyd | lindenle: what is the make and model of your PCI ide card? |
| 05:23.45 | schme | Guerin: (: Very nice indeed... sounds like a nice thing to mix with you polsci! |
| 05:23.48 | Guerin | g333k: 1G |
| 05:23.54 | schme | Guerin: I bet she has great perspective on things |
| 05:24.02 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Yep starting to track i down.. i think pickcoder might be on to something.... abou module order |
| 05:24.11 | rahul | Guerin: I think Frou Frou is a big turn in the maturation of electronica |
| 05:24.24 | Guerin | schme: yeah, she's actually much more scholarly than me .... currently has profs at two universities wanting to sponsor her PhD |
| 05:24.30 | sid | Guerin: same reason coming on irc with your ip is unsecure. |
| 05:24.38 | Guerin | sid: why is that insecure? |
| 05:24.39 | rahul | Guerin: most electronica isn't very layered or very full. Frou Frou is both. |
| 05:24.47 | Guerin | sid: you have my ip address: now what are you going to do? |
| 05:24.50 | g333k | Guerin, ahhhhhhh? all Debian fits in just 1G ? |
| 05:24.52 | PingFloyd | lindenle: yeah, that's another possibility |
| 05:24.56 | Guerin | sid: go on. /whois me, and do your worst. |
| 05:25.01 | schme | Guerin: Nice! |
| 05:25.03 | rahul | g333k: "all" is a useless concept |
| 05:25.06 | g333k | Guerin, well not all debian .... |
| 05:25.09 | sid | Guerin: I'm not going to do anything, I'm not a child. And you're a respectable member of the free software community. |
| 05:25.18 | rahul | g333k: you can install as much as you want |
| 05:25.25 | sid | Guerin: But script kiddies are able to ddos you if they have your ip. |
| 05:25.30 | Guerin | g333k: a usable system is less, but i just picked a random number higher |
| 05:25.42 | PingFloyd | lindenle: I tend to not think it's an issue with the kernel configuration itself since you're using the stock kernel image, unless something got seriously change between the versions you upgraded between |
| 05:25.46 | Guerin | g333k: you realistically want about 2-10G unless you feel like counting beans |
| 05:25.56 | sid | Guerin: Or some annoying person could post fake DMCA take down notices to your isp, or report cybercrimes at cybercrime.gov and hassle you pretty badly if they wanted to. |
| 05:26.02 | Guerin | sid: so? ddos is nothing |
| 05:26.04 | lindenle | PingFloyd: l am also glad that the kernel config did not change |
| 05:26.08 | sid | Guerin: It's unlikely, but it's easily avoided by not giving your real ip. |
| 05:26.11 | g333k | I mean I want to install Sid... but I'm not going to use it as a main OS... it just for my tests... To test the new pkgs and somethings... so what size do I pick for thw partition? |
| 05:26.25 | streuner | sid: well, thats OT |
| 05:26.29 | sid | Guerin: This is true, you could just reset your modem and get a new ip possibly. But it's still nice to avoid these things if possible. |
| 05:26.33 | Guerin | sid: bah, that's the equivalent of saying that anyone can mug you if you walk down the street |
| 05:26.38 | Guerin | sid: don't live in fear. |
| 05:26.41 | rahul | Guerin: if you look at stuff like massive attack, it's kind of electronic, but there are also two drummers, a guitarist, and a bassist |
| 05:26.41 | sid | yea, I'll go to #debian-offtopic if you want to continue |
| 05:26.50 | Guerin | rahul: yeah, true. |
| 05:26.56 | lindenle | Anone know how to allow incoming ssh connections to a chroot |
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| 05:27.04 | pickcoder | lindenle: I'm looking at udev. there is a way to change the device naming order |
| 05:27.07 | PingFloyd | lindenle: does your pci ide card have way to access it's settings? Like when you boot up by hitting key sequence? |
| 05:27.08 | Guerin | lindenle: why into the chroot? |
| 05:27.24 | rahul | Guerin: good electronica isn't about restricting the sound, it's about using the computer as yet another tool. I've seen some really cool stuff done with live jazz and computers. |
| 05:27.30 | lindenle | Guerin: cuz I want to go plug in my laptop in my office and keep working on this |
| 05:27.31 | lindenle | ;) |
| 05:27.40 | streuner | Guerin: do you like Jazz? |
| 05:27.56 | streuner | good Jazz music is wonderful |
| 05:28.05 | sid | Guerin: eh, I've been on Rizon with the script kiddies on irc. They'll all leech off a couple developers who program exploit scripts and "rbot" like irc drones. A script kiddie can have a lot of power. It's easier just to avoid the script kiddies or irc and just come on irc with random shells/proxies/tor/bouncers etc. |
| 05:28.11 | Guerin | streuner: i like some jazz. Mostly to about the 70s. |
| 05:28.27 | sid | s/ies or/ies on/ |
| 05:28.35 | Guerin | sid: i don't find it easier. I've never been targetted. |
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| 05:29.04 | Zbyshek | do not hilight |
| 05:29.24 | PingFloyd | sid: hopefully you're using a firewall to begin with |
| 05:29.35 | Guerin | firewalls are also mostly pointless |
| 05:29.38 | g333k | So basically how much space do I need to install the system's files + gnome ? |
| 05:29.41 | sid | PingFloyd: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:29.46 | Guerin | unless they protect a network of more than one box |
| 05:30.00 | Guerin | a firewall can't protect the box it's *on* after all |
| 05:31.19 | PingFloyd | sid: what do you mean #debian-offtopic? |
| 05:31.22 | Guerin | man, my sister's ex-bf just got arrested for DUI, drunk and disorderly and breaking a cop's ribs |
| 05:31.37 | rahul | hmm, speaking of frou frou, I haven't heard them in a while |
| 05:31.50 | streuner | DUI? |
| 05:32.02 | Guerin | streuner: driving under the influence (of alcohol) |
| 05:33.02 | rahul | Guerin: hopefully she's dropping him like a rock. |
| 05:33.19 | Guerin | rahul: they split up a month or so ago, that's apparently why he's on the tiles |
| 05:33.36 | rahul | ah, ex |
| 05:33.55 | sid | PingFloyd: /join #debian-offtopic for talking about non-debian related issues |
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| 05:34.07 | PingFloyd | sid: you're the one who brought up it |
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| 05:37.21 | sid | PingFloyd: I know I brought up the subject, but the conversation is continuing in #debian-offtopic if you want to join. This way #debian won't get flooded with offtopic text, and those that need help will be the main focus of the channel. |
| 05:38.24 | Guerin | sid: you probably want to use http://www.dnsstuff.com |
| 05:38.37 | streuner | Guerin: polsci is some political degree? |
| 05:39.08 | Guerin | streuner: political science |
| 05:39.36 | streuner | hm |
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| 05:40.27 | lindenle | pickcoder: Can i use volume labels |
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| 05:40.37 | lindenle | pickcoder: as a quick hack? |
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| 05:41.07 | schme | Guerin: The EU is quite an interesting thing too (: |
| 05:41.25 | juranich | I am DESPERATELY needing some help getting my printer up. It's doing some things I've never encountered before. |
| 05:41.27 | PingFloyd | lindenle: if you want a quick hack, have you tried just changing the fstab to reflect the changed mappings? |
| 05:41.40 | Guerin | schme: yeah, i haven't looked at it at all, though. |
| 05:42.16 | PingFloyd | lindenle: might be a temporary workaround in the mean time, depending upon at what point the it's changing he drives around |
| 05:42.25 | streuner | juranich: what kind of printer do you have? |
| 05:42.46 | schme | Guerin: I am in the EU so it is kinda natural to look into it. A very strange mixture of things. oh well.. I am too off topic for #debian here (: |
| 05:43.00 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:43.22 | streuner | apt, hehstats |
| 05:43.22 | apt | total count of heh on #debian: 20228 |
| 05:43.23 | Guerin | the most interesting aspect for me is how it falsifies international realism |
| 05:43.26 | rahul | heh |
| 05:43.40 | juranich | streuner: It's a Samsung ML-1210. It's waking up from sleep mode when I send a job to the printer, but then everything gets wedged. |
| 05:43.41 | rahul | I used to be in the top 5 in that. |
| 05:43.50 | rahul | why don't we keep heh rankings any more?? |
| 05:43.52 | schme | Guerin: indeed (: |
| 05:44.15 | streuner | juranich: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:44.25 | fbhjr_ | I'll help with your printer if you rescue me from my samba nightmare |
| 05:44.36 | juranich | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 05:44.51 | juranich | streuner: I'm running testing on amd64, BTW |
| 05:46.40 | lindenle | PingFloyd: I could do the fstab change but it is a real pain, and what if it goes wacky again?? |
| 05:47.17 | PingFloyd | lindenle: you could copy the existing one first |
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| 05:47.29 | PingFloyd | to say fstab.backup |
| 05:47.50 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Yeah but I would rather understand why this started happenning ;) |
| 05:47.51 | streuner | juranich: and you are using an official kernel and CUPS? |
| 05:48.04 | juranich | streuner: Yep. |
| 05:48.07 | PingFloyd | it might be good for temporary fix if you need to get it back up soon |
| 05:48.19 | streuner | juranich: what does BTS say about? |
| 05:48.20 | PingFloyd | until you get down to bottom of what is causing it |
| 05:48.43 | lindenle | PingFloyd:True...let me try that for now...im getting pooped anyway |
| 05:48.57 | PingFloyd | lindenle: you never answered my one question though |
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| 05:49.15 | juranich | streuner: Well, mea culpa here. I haven't been able to figure out what package to blame this on, so I haven't been to eager to check out BTS. Doing it now... |
| 05:49.28 | PingFloyd | lindenle: on some pci cards they have a bios setup you can enter for changing settings, does yours have anything like that? |
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| 05:52.18 | streuner | juranich: http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-ML-1210 |
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| 05:53.13 | lindenle | PingFloyd: I does but not really any features inside...probably should look at manual. |
| 05:53.26 | lindenle | PingFloyd:Got it up finally by changinf fstab and grub boot line |
| 05:53.32 | PingFloyd | lindenle: just thought of another thing to check |
| 05:54.06 | streuner | juranich: What did you change in the meantime till that problem occurs? |
| 05:54.06 | lindenle | PingFloyd: It is not obvious to me what the bios options of the ide card are |
| 05:54.11 | PingFloyd | you might check and see if there is any parameters being passed tot he modulse for that PCI IDE card and your onboard |
| 05:54.17 | lindenle | I will look it up also there is new bios for it |
| 05:55.14 | juranich | streuner: Changes to what? |
| 05:56.13 | streuner | juranich: well, did you install new packages? |
| 05:56.22 | PingFloyd | lindenle: you said it was hard for you determine when it all changed since you hadn't rebooted in a long time, do you think it could've happen when you switched from 2.4 kernels to 2.6? |
| 05:57.05 | PingFloyd | there is some difference between them when it comes to modules |
| 05:57.21 | juranich | streuner: Ever since I've installed Debian amd64, I've been unable to make the printer work (it did work fine with FC5, however). |
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| 06:00.04 | schme | Darn. Then we can't blame it on the hardware. |
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| 06:01.32 | schme | juranich: did you install foomatics-filter-ppds ? |
| 06:01.44 | lindenle | PingFloyd: Pretty sure I have had one power outage at least since switching to 2.6, b/c that was when i realized my UPS was no longer happy ;) |
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| 06:02.11 | juranich | schme: Nope. Is that important (/me sheepishly grins) |
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| 06:02.50 | schme | juranich: Google told me it was.. it includes the ppd (whatever that is) for mostly every printer, including that one |
| 06:03.05 | PingFloyd | lindenle: of course, a new kernel that you install, won't take effect until your reboot. |
| 06:03.08 | schme | foomatics-filters-ppds it is |
| 06:03.27 | cast | anyone use shorewall here? I'm confused as to the absence of SECTION NEW in /etc/shorewall/rules, and why when i add it it claims it was already in there :\ |
| 06:03.43 | PingFloyd | lindenle: so if you installed a certain kernel version way back and hadn't reboot till recently, it may have been a surprise waiting to happen |
| 06:04.00 | juranich | schme: actually, just found it foomatic-filters-ppds. Installing it now. |
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| 06:05.36 | schme | juranich: I hope it works out (: |
| 06:06.23 | juranich | Nope. Still doing the same stuff. Saying it queues the job, then I run lpq immediately after and I get "no entries". |
| 06:06.52 | t0pcat | Hey guys...anyone here using compiz+nvidia....having trouble changing ttys? |
| 06:07.18 | juranich | schme: Trying to run the print job as root, I get "lpr: Quota limit reached." Not sure if this is security or a bug. |
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| 06:07.38 | streuner | juranich: i thought you are using CUPS? |
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| 06:08.09 | juranich | streuner: Yes. what have I said that makes you think differently? I could be totally confused here. |
| 06:08.24 | streuner | juranich: did you restart CUPS? |
| 06:08.29 | schme | juranich: I really have no idea.. I don't own a printer meself.. do you have foomatic-gui or something to configure it? |
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| 06:08.33 | juranich | streuner: Yes. |
| 06:08.36 | Marupa | Hi, I'm pretty sure I've asked this before, but I wanted to know if there's any update on the answer. Looking for possible drivers for a specific brand of tablet, since it didn't work ages ago. It's a SuperPen WP5540 USB. |
| 06:08.43 | streuner | juranich: how? |
| 06:09.00 | juranich | streuner: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart (as root, of course) |
| 06:09.13 | juranich | schme: I tried the web interface, but still no joy. |
| 06:09.32 | streuner | juranich: hm, and the webinterface doesn't show any error too? |
| 06:09.42 | juranich | streuner: Nope. Error log is empty. |
| 06:09.53 | schme | juranich: from what I understand the filters-ppds one was important to config it with the webinterface.. But I am just repeating what google told me :S |
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| 06:10.27 | streuner | juranich: and what's with the GUI itself |
| 06:10.43 | Guerin | cups has a gui? |
| 06:11.01 | juranich | streuner: There's a CUPS gui? All I knew about was the web interface. |
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| 06:11.35 | streuner | no, i meant http://localhost:631 |
| 06:12.15 | schme | there is foomatics-gui in the repositories.. a gnome gui to config cups, if Iunderstood it correctly |
| 06:12.26 | dashome | Got a puzzler -- Searching for 'erlang' shows erlang-doc-html and erlang-manpages, both of which mention the 'erlang' package which does not seem to exist. Why? |
| 06:12.34 | streuner | don't use GNOME's config tool |
| 06:12.41 | juranich | streuner: From the GUI: "Printer State: idle, accepting jobs, published. " |
| 06:13.35 | juranich | streuner: Hmm. I just hit the "print a test page" button and I got: "Error: quota limit reached." Ideas?? |
| 06:14.21 | g333k | Excuse me, how much space do I need to install the Base System + Gnome? as minimum? |
| 06:14.24 | streuner | and that's a local printer, not in network? |
| 06:15.27 | streuner | juranich: what's the line below "idle, acceting..." |
| 06:15.50 | juranich | streuner: "Device URI: parallel:/dev/lp0" |
| 06:16.15 | juranich | streuner: I have a USB cable for it, but it's given me problems in the past. So I'm sticking with parport for now. |
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| 06:17.32 | Guerin | g333k: minimum about 600MB |
| 06:17.37 | Guerin | g333k: bare minimum |
| 06:17.42 | Marupa | Any suggestions for the WP5540? |
| 06:17.53 | Guerin | you're a bit still if you go for much less than 1G |
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| 06:20.25 | g333k | Guerin, thanks |
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| 06:23.19 | juranich | streuner: Well, thanks for the help. I'm really tired and need to get to bed. I'll tackle this a little later. |
| 06:23.51 | PingFloyd | g333k: if you're real cramped on space, you may want to even investigate DSL (it's debian based, but tweaked to fit alot of packages into the space of 50 MB) |
| 06:25.18 | g333k | PingFloyd, yeah... i have tried many of those... DSL, puppy, little debian, vector linux, feather... I made an article about that |
| 06:27.15 | PingFloyd | g333k: what did you think of them? |
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| 06:29.15 | g333k | PingFloyd, They are very useful when speed & space are our limitations in one case... In the other case they are useful as OS in pen drives... so you run Linux without touching the hard disk.... |
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| 06:29.58 | g333k | PingFloyd, Most of them have many utilities... such net and system utilities.... and the common Desktop apps |
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| 06:36.01 | g333k | PingFloyd, Puppy is great! if you have more than 64Mb of Ram it loads entirely in RAM... and you dont need to read the cd-rom anymore. This is a interesting option |
| 06:36.18 | cast | that is cool |
| 06:37.22 | Guerin | knoppix has had this option for years |
| 06:37.34 | streuner | http://lists.freestandards.org/pipermail/printing-user-samsung/2006/001405.html |
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| 06:38.00 | PingFloyd | what's it's packages like? |
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| 06:40.43 | g333k | PingFloyd, Puppy has a Package manager.. it connects to a repository and you pick the pkgs you need |
| 06:40.46 | sanabriamusic | hi |
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| 06:41.13 | sanabriamusic | how does one find the local network in debian kde....samba share...or something like that |
| 06:42.22 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: ask #kde |
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| 06:46.42 | polpak | what's the command to see what process is using a particular port? |
| 06:46.49 | polpak | network port that is |
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| 06:48.11 | fbhjr_ | lsof |
| 06:48.12 | Acid | Hi |
| 06:48.22 | simonrvn | poo, /var/log going to poo-poo land :| |
| 06:48.23 | fbhjr_ | netstat -tupan |
| 06:48.44 | fbhjr_ | lsof | grep LISTEN |
| 06:48.54 | Acid | i need help with syslog-ng, i need to log the ping command into a especific file |
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| 06:49.04 | Acid | anybody know? |
| 06:49.12 | mhall | anybody else get a lot of SSH connection attempts from China and India? |
| 06:49.24 | mhall | 61.142.83.245 keeps trying to hack my ass |
| 06:49.39 | Grub_Now | are there any psyck debian package? |
| 06:49.41 | fbhjr_ | try fail2ban |
| 06:49.49 | Grub_Now | how do i find out? |
| 06:49.59 | mhall | 219.136.9.84 as well |
| 06:50.00 | simonrvn | *cough* denyhosts *cough* *cough iptables *cough* |
| 06:50.05 | mhall | simonrvn: hahaha |
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| 06:50.15 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 06:50.22 | Acid | so |
| 06:50.30 | simonrvn | WorksForMe (TM) |
| 06:50.33 | Acid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.33 | Grub_Now | could anyone help me? |
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| 06:50.45 | Grub_Now | how do i search for a certain package? |
| 06:50.47 | simonrvn | !tell Grub_Now about search |
| 06:51.17 | mhall | simonrvn: yeah i should probably only allow connection from 15.0.0.0/8 |
| 06:51.17 | eap | mhall: look @ portsentry |
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| 06:51.25 | mhall | eap: ya good point |
| 06:51.43 | t0pcat | Grun_now you can try an apt-cache search <package> |
| 06:51.44 | Acid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.50 | Grub_Now | thanks simonrvn |
| 06:51.52 | Guerin | Acid: so you said |
| 06:52.01 | Guerin | Acid: repeating yourself won't get you any more help |
| 06:52.08 | mhall | Guerin: ooh shot down lol |
| 06:52.23 | mhall | !lart Acid |
| 06:52.23 | simonrvn | mhall: drop everything you don't need |
| 06:52.25 | mhall | !base acid |
| 06:52.30 | mhall | hmm |
| 06:52.32 | mhall | didn't work... |
| 06:52.37 | simonrvn | !tell Acid about repeat |
| 06:52.49 | simonrvn | !tell Acid about ask |
| 06:52.51 | Acid | what about repeat? |
| 06:53.16 | mhall | simonrvn: only about 8 ports open |
| 06:53.19 | Acid | what about ask? |
| 06:53.24 | mhall | Acid: for the love of god don't make us repeat it |
| 06:53.25 | fbhjr_ | oh my liver |
| 06:53.28 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you |
| 06:53.35 | mhall | Acid: that defeats the purpose; bloody hell |
| 06:53.38 | Acid | ok |
| 06:53.44 | simonrvn | and no, and not making the bot tell you, ask it yourself |
| 06:54.10 | mhall | Yeah, I know, IHBT IHL HAND but seriously today was the shittiest fucking motherfucking day evar. lol! My car got towed and it cost me $300 US to get it back. |
| 06:54.19 | mhall | I got pissed off of course so now I'm getting drunk. |
| 06:54.20 | mhall | woohoo |
| 06:54.29 | Grub_Now | :) |
| 06:54.43 | mhall | Grub_Now: what about poor lilo? :-( |
| 06:54.52 | Grub_Now | we all know :) |
| 06:54.56 | Grub_Now | err |
| 06:54.59 | Grub_Now | thats was a :( |
| 06:55.03 | Grub_Now | typo |
| 06:55.25 | mhall | Grub_Now: f0ck nobody ever gets my metahumor |
| 06:55.32 | Supaplex | mhall: yay tow insurance |
| 06:55.40 | mhall | Supaplex: how do you mean |
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| 06:55.46 | mhall | Supaplex: doesn't work when you mispark |
| 06:56.05 | Supaplex | mhall: ewps :P you should know better |
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| 06:56.38 | polpak | simonrvn: how is iptables generally configured/managed. I don't need anything complicated |
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| 06:56.39 | CrazednDazed | How can I specify which interface I want to use (gnome, kde)? startx takes no arguments and I didn't see anything in the man page |
| 06:57.00 | lastnode | CrazednDazed, gdm? |
| 06:57.16 | t0pcat | mhall $300 for your car...hmmm...if you would've added another $300 you'd be able to buy a PS3 with Cell processor et al YUMMMMMMM |
| 06:57.19 | Supaplex | CrazednDazed: install just one wm |
| 06:57.25 | simonrvn | polpak: www.lartc.org www.netfilter.org - with scripts 99.9% of the time |
| 06:57.51 | mhall | t0pcat: this thought crossed my mind |
| 06:58.00 | mhall | Supaplex: easy to forget when you work from 10am-3am |
| 06:58.18 | t0pcat | mhall haha :)...great minds think alike...or drunk minds |
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| 06:58.27 | Grub_Now | i cant seem to find libsyck.a , hence am unable to install PySyck, What do i do? |
| 06:58.44 | coolsail | what's MVC ? |
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| 06:59.02 | polpak | simonrvn: I know how to write iptable rules. I just don't know what the "debian standard" way of storing them/loading them on boot etc is |
| 06:59.09 | Supaplex | if microsoft is part of the answer, it's just a dumb question |
| 06:59.17 | Supaplex | polpak: /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 06:59.20 | simonrvn | there isn't one |
| 06:59.30 | polpak | Supaplex: doesn't exist |
| 06:59.38 | PingFloyd | CrazednDazed: either just install 1 WM, or use a dm, unless you want to edit files such as .xinitrc every time you want to run a different one |
| 06:59.39 | Supaplex | it does on my boxen :) |
| 06:59.50 | polpak | simonrvn: is there a "recommended" way? |
| 06:59.58 | Supaplex | and I sure as %*@$ didn't write it |
| 07:00.03 | Guerin | polpak: the best way i can figure is to put them in you interfaces `up' statement |
| 07:00.07 | CrazednDazed | PingFloyd: What is 'dm'? |
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| 07:00.13 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:00.28 | Guerin | polpak: and put an `off' command in the `down' statement |
| 07:00.35 | polpak | Supaplex: I just installed Etch. It's not there |
| 07:00.42 | Guerin | that way whenever the interface comes up, it's on, and when it comes down, it's off |
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| 07:01.07 | Supaplex | atleast now you're specific enough to investigate :) |
| 07:01.07 | Guerin | Supaplex: iptables isn't installed by default |
| 07:01.16 | Guerin | and why should it be? |
| 07:01.21 | PingFloyd | CrazednDazed: a display manager or something, stuff like gdm, kdm, or xdm |
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| 07:01.41 | Guerin | polpak: so, yeah, up and down statements. man interfaces has the skinny. |
| 07:01.48 | ubox | i can't connect to an external smtp server |
| 07:01.57 | polpak | My point is I don't want to try and throw something together. I have other things I need to get set up. All I want is a config file I can put my rules in. |
| 07:02.03 | ubox | on evolution |
| 07:02.03 | Guerin | ubox: that's terrible, it must suck to have no internet |
| 07:02.16 | Guerin | ubox: why not? |
| 07:02.38 | ubox | i can recieve mails but when sending it gives the the following error |
| 07:02.49 | ubox | Host lookup failed: smtp.gmail.com : Name or service not known |
| 07:02.56 | Guerin | polpak: make a script called iptables.sh or firewall.sh or such, in /usr/local/bin. reference it in /etc/network/interfaces according to `man interfaces' |
| 07:03.03 | Guerin | polpak: that's all |
| 07:03.17 | mhall | Grub_Now: you can't run an app off a .a it's a static library |
| 07:03.17 | Guerin | ubox: is that the real site? (answer: no.) |
| 07:03.25 | mhall | Grub_Now: you use em to compile other apps |
| 07:03.28 | mhall | !tell Grub_Now about pdo |
| 07:03.41 | ubox | Guerin: yep :) |
| 07:03.59 | Grub_Now | mhall: i know |
| 07:04.05 | Guerin | ubox: smtp.gmail.com is an alias for gmail-smtp.l.google.com |
| 07:04.10 | Guerin | ubox: use that address |
| 07:04.12 | Grub_Now | mhall: i cant compile PySYck |
| 07:04.17 | ubox | oh ok |
| 07:04.28 | Grub_Now | mhall: Am getting the error that missing libsyck.a |
| 07:05.12 | Grub_Now | mhall: so how do i fix that? |
| 07:05.16 | polpak | Guerin: I find it hard to believe there isn't a package for this |
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| 07:06.38 | Guerin | polpak: there are various iptables packages, but most of them are bloody complicated. ipmasq, guarddog, shorewall, firehol are a few |
| 07:06.50 | Guerin | polpak: i just prefer my simple option |
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| 07:06.57 | infester | hello |
| 07:07.05 | Guerin | if you know iptables it's just more simpler |
| 07:07.07 | polpak | I could kinda understand why Ubuntu didn't have any kind of firewall by default, it doesn't have any ports open on outside networks by default either. But debian apparently does, so all I want is a way to throw 3-4 rules in a config and have it use those on boot |
| 07:07.10 | ubox | Guerin: thanks man, saved my day...but y does the alias doesn't work? |
| 07:07.17 | Guerin | ubox: dunno. |
| 07:07.39 | ubox | oh ok |
| 07:08.09 | mhall | polpak: there is one of the init scripts, something-something local something-something, which runs each time |
| 07:08.09 | mhall | polpak: just use that fucker |
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| 07:08.09 | mike_kayaker | ye haw |
| 07:08.11 | mhall | mike_kayaker: don't tip over, it's cold this time of year |
| 07:08.22 | infester | how would you install GDM on Debail netinstall *.iso |
| 07:08.25 | mike_kayaker | summer here |
| 07:08.45 | ubox | smtp.gmail.com is pinging alright |
| 07:08.58 | polpak | mhall: I know I _could_ write a script myself to do it, but I've got 7 boxes to get up and running, and I don't have time or desire atm to try to throw one together and debug it |
| 07:09.39 | infester | i tried "apt-get install xfree and the apt-get gnome" |
| 07:09.48 | infester | i couldn't find "startx" |
| 07:09.49 | mhall | polpak: ah i see what you mean |
| 07:09.50 | infester | :( |
| 07:09.53 | Guerin | infester: why are you guessing random packagenames? |
| 07:10.01 | mhall | polpak: there is a basic script in the netfilter howto |
| 07:10.04 | Guerin | infester: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:10.06 | infester | mean ? |
| 07:10.07 | mhall | polpak: or just use an appliance |
| 07:10.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:10.14 | infester | oh |
| 07:10.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:10.14 | mhall | polpak: if you have 7 boxes you can afford a UTM |
| 07:10.15 | mike_kayaker | toaster |
| 07:10.17 | mhall | polpak: ;-) |
| 07:10.19 | tarzeau | hey mhall, where's the party? |
| 07:10.34 | polpak | mhall: I cannot believe that this is the "answer" |
| 07:10.45 | mhall | polpak: it's *AN* answer |
| 07:10.48 | infester | dpkg: set up x |
| 07:10.48 | dpkg | hmm... set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 07:10.50 | Guerin | polpak: as I told you, there are iptables packages. |
| 07:10.54 | mhall | polpak: and i'm drunk and pissed so cut me some slack ;-) |
| 07:10.58 | Guerin | polpak: all are configurable |
| 07:11.07 | mhall | tarzeau: at my buddy jeff's place here pretty soon lol hehe |
| 07:11.08 | polpak | Guerin: name 3 |
| 07:11.09 | mike_kayaker | both? |
| 07:11.10 | mike_kayaker | hmmm |
| 07:11.12 | Guerin | polpak: already did |
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| 07:11.17 | tarzeau | mhall: the irc channel i mean ;) |
| 07:11.20 | Guerin | polpak: ipmasq, shorewall, firehol |
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| 07:11.37 | mhall | tarzeau: couldn't say |
| 07:11.47 | mhall | tarzeau: i'm not partying today |
| 07:12.02 | mhall | tarzeau: i'm celebrating my incompetence |
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| 07:12.29 | Guerin | mmm |
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| 07:12.33 | Guerin | i love chinese |
| 07:12.40 | Guerin | reminds me of being in china ;) |
| 07:13.13 | Grub_Now | hi anibal |
| 07:13.26 | ubox | Guerin: u should try chinese food made in india |
| 07:13.40 | anibal | Grub_Now, hola |
| 07:13.48 | Grub_Now | anibal: pm? |
| 07:15.01 | fbhjr_ | having read docs and faqs and man pages for the past 48 hours, I can't get my win XP mc 2005 to print to my debian sid Cups print server, even with the relevant /etc/cups/mime.* edits. File sharing works fine. Windows shows the print jobs spools. They don't print. Sugestions? |
| 07:15.30 | Grub_Now | anibal: I am having problems installing PySyck, could you help, if you're free? |
| 07:15.32 | fbhjr_ | cups options = "raw" also tried |
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| 07:17.03 | mhall | I wish it didn't take so much liquor to get me drunk. Fuck. |
| 07:17.03 | fbhjr_ | yeah but that never stopped a good admin |
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| 07:17.03 | mhall | Grub_Now: something tells me it costs money for him lol |
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| 07:17.07 | Grub_Now | mhall :P |
| 07:17.36 | anibal | Grub_Now, I don't use PySyck, sorry |
| 07:17.41 | fbhjr_ | mhall: you protest too much...drink enough and you would be behaving a lot worse |
| 07:17.44 | fbhjr_ | I know |
| 07:18.00 | mhall | Grub_Now: seriously though |
| 07:18.06 | mhall | Grub_Now: the deb only includes the .so |
| 07:18.13 | mhall | Grub_Now: not the .a |
| 07:18.21 | Supaplex | polpak: apparently it's in the oldstable iptables. my bad. :P |
| 07:18.24 | fbhjr_ | acting besotten |
| 07:18.26 | mhall | Grub_Now: so if you want the .a you'll have to figure another way to get the pigfucker |
| 07:18.36 | Supaplex | !beer mhall |
| 07:18.56 | mhall | fbhjr_: i'm the type of guy, it takes me 5-6 long islands for me to get comfortably drunk |
| 07:19.16 | mhall | Grub_Now: now, what are you trying to install, which depends on the damn thing |
| 07:19.19 | Grub_Now | mhall: thats what i was thinking. |
| 07:19.26 | Grub_Now | mhall: PySyck |
| 07:19.30 | Grub_Now | it needs that to compile |
| 07:19.33 | Grub_Now | libsyck.a |
| 07:19.39 | fbhjr_ | I tend to stick to straight corn whiskey, john Wayne sty;e |
| 07:19.42 | fbhjr_ | :P |
| 07:19.44 | mhall | Grub_Now: that's totally cracked out |
| 07:19.49 | Supaplex | !tell Grub_Now -about apt-file |
| 07:19.53 | mhall | fbhjr_: i do too when drinking my own stock |
| 07:19.57 | fbhjr_ | LI Iced teas ... jeeemus |
| 07:20.01 | mhall | fbhjr_: it becomes unsustainable at bars |
| 07:20.20 | fbhjr_ | ok then, the challenge is to stay on topic |
| 07:20.25 | mhall | fbhjr_: my favorites are whiskey sour with makers and a cosmopolitan with belvedere ;-) |
| 07:20.26 | fbhjr_ | ;-) |
| 07:20.37 | mhall | fbhjr_: nah the challenge is driving to my friend's place haha |
| 07:21.06 | Supaplex | fbhjr_: he has too much blood in his alcomaholic system |
| 07:21.08 | fbhjr_ | let's discuss something debian because I need it like a boat needs its keel |
| 07:21.13 | mhall | Supaplex: *too* true |
| 07:21.14 | fbhjr_ | lol |
| 07:21.16 | mhall | fbhjr_: well said |
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| 07:21.44 | mhall | Supaplex: what can i say? i live in a small drinking village with a suburban problem... |
| 07:22.03 | Grub_Now | Supaplex: no positive results |
| 07:22.06 | fbhjr_ | mhall: we can all go on drinking sekritly, but there are debian issues afoot! |
| 07:22.26 | fbhjr_ | I have many |
| 07:22.32 | Supaplex | Grub_Now: does what you're actually trying to run have a debian package? |
| 07:22.38 | mhall | fbhjr_: i'm thinking on your printing problem, but the issue is, i only ever printed to SMB from unix or to unix from unix with cups / ipp |
| 07:22.46 | Grub_Now | Supaplex: nope |
| 07:22.55 | mhall | fbhjr_: oh and since i work @hp i print to jetdirect ALL THE FUCKING TIME |
| 07:22.56 | fbhjr_ | mhall: my problem probably needs a post to a list |
| 07:22.59 | fbhjr_ | no worries |
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| 07:23.16 | mhall | fbhjr_: ya try lists.d.o there's a lot of choices there, maybe search archives |
| 07:23.29 | mhall | fbhjr_: as you by now know, un*x printing is a disaster area |
| 07:23.41 | fbhjr_ | well, I really enjoy CUPS |
| 07:23.43 | Grub_Now | Supaplex: http://pyyaml.org/wiki/PySyck |
| 07:23.52 | fbhjr_ | I think it isn't a disaster area |
| 07:24.00 | mhall | fbhjr_: like, tornadoes hurricanes mines and bitchy women, all in one place, coming toward you, surrounding you, enveloping you, all at the same time |
| 07:24.07 | mhall | fbhjr_: except worse |
| 07:24.08 | Supaplex | mhall: off the top of your head, does hp have any printers in production that accept off the shelf sdram/ddr and use postscript? |
| 07:24.31 | mhall | Supaplex: postscript is a definite yes, nonproprietary ram, that's a whole other trick |
| 07:24.45 | mhall | Supaplex: haven't you got an old box you can load up with cups as your frontend? |
| 07:25.01 | Supaplex | oh I guess |
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| 07:25.47 | mhall | Supaplex: just make that cups box a spooler, waste a thirdworld country worth of bandwidth downloading drivers and converters, and pipe the jobs into the HP on 9100 or whichever protocol |
| 07:26.01 | mhall | Supaplex: 9100 is the fastest, according to my buddy who used to work on jetdirect |
| 07:26.09 | Supaplex | Grub_Now: can't say i want to wrap my head around that critter right now. |
| 07:26.14 | mhall | Supaplex: but if you send me a mail i can ask him if he knows a way to get one to use normal ram |
| 07:26.25 | Grub_Now | Supaplex: oh, k .. |
| 07:26.35 | mhall | Supaplex: he tested the 9100 driver so well he got 100% code coverage |
| 07:26.39 | Grub_Now | Supaplex: I will keep on trying |
| 07:26.43 | mhall | Supaplex: that's mighty rare |
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| 07:27.01 | Supaplex | I'll keep an eye out. It's either that, or brother I'm thinking. |
| 07:27.08 | fbhjr_ | hardcore RAW printing |
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| 07:27.23 | fbhjr_ | frigging hard c o r e |
| 07:27.26 | mhall | fbhjr_: that's 9100 for you lol |
| 07:27.30 | fbhjr_ | lol |
| 07:27.43 | dn4 | Its like the computer was perfect until the human got ahold of it and started infect the system with files. |
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| 07:27.57 | mhall | oops, typed wrong command |
| 07:28.03 | mhall | meant to type /que and hit /qui |
| 07:28.05 | mhall | d'oh! |
| 07:28.15 | fbhjr_ | whiskey does that |
| 07:28.25 | mhall | esp when mixed with vodka |
| 07:28.35 | mhall | and beer |
| 07:28.48 | fbhjr_ | quite a cocktail |
| 07:28.56 | mhall | not all in one asshat ;-) |
| 07:29.32 | fbhjr_ | yeah I know |
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| 07:30.00 | fbhjr_ | mix me one though as i toast samba + cups printing to the aeons |
| 07:30.25 | dn4 | I wonder if the debian team changed the kernel config timer to 1000hz for the new kernels out in their latest etch release |
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| 07:31.17 | mhall | fbhjr_: i'll drink one in your honor my man |
| 07:31.28 | mhall | dn4: /proc/config.gz ? |
| 07:31.33 | fbhjr_ | hehe, excellent |
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| 07:31.43 | mhall | dn4: plus debian kernel debs include conf files, extract the pigfucker with dpkg-deb |
| 07:32.02 | Supaplex | mhall: is the 9100 an all in one? *cringe* |
| 07:32.41 | mhall | Supaplex: 9100 is the port jetdirect uses for its custom protocol |
| 07:33.04 | mhall | Supaplex: it's proprietary (frown) but real fast and reliable, and cups pretty much works right with it these days |
| 07:33.31 | mhall | Supaplex: according to my buddy who wrote jetdirect drivers for 10 years it's the fastest and most tested (100% code coverage) |
| 07:34.45 | Supaplex | ahhh, so any printer that'll accept that should be as lickety-split as possible. |
| 07:34.55 | Supaplex | I might have a few of those around here. |
| 07:35.10 | mhall | Supaplex: anything with a jetdirect card should be good |
| 07:35.22 | mhall | Supaplex: only thing to watch is having enough ram + printer cpu |
| 07:35.45 | mhall | jetdirect cards these days are pretty fancy |
| 07:36.00 | mhall | many have ipv6, ipsec, and a whole lot of other hardcore features |
| 07:36.17 | Supaplex | and run linux inside ;) |
| 07:36.21 | mhall | i suppose you could get one with gigabit, use ipv6 and jumbo gigabit frams |
| 07:36.26 | mhall | frames* |
| 07:36.31 | mhall | and really crank out the printjobs |
| 07:36.36 | mhall | Supaplex: vxworks actually |
| 07:36.39 | Supaplex | haha |
| 07:36.50 | mhall | Supaplex: linux is a little more than you'd need for a jetdirect card |
| 07:37.06 | Supaplex | ya think? =-) |
| 07:37.17 | mhall | Supaplex: no, i'm just making it up just because |
| 07:37.19 | dn4 | what is linux? |
| 07:37.46 | tralala | !confuse dn4 |
| 07:37.46 | dpkg | No, them was my weasel today, dn4? trousers of the republic of tibet with extra cheese |
| 07:37.54 | streuner | dn4: www.kernel.org |
| 07:38.05 | streuner | or troll somewhere else :-) |
| 07:38.27 | dn4 | An Idea; Perhaps? |
| 07:38.51 | Supaplex | ask gumbybrain in #perl |
| 07:39.07 | tralala | or greycat in #bash |
| 07:39.10 | mhall | hahaha |
| 07:39.11 | mhall | nice |
| 07:39.17 | mhall | f0ck |
| 07:39.37 | CrazednDazed | does anyone know how I can turn .bin and .cue files into video? |
| 07:39.56 | mhall | CrazednDazed: k3b can burn most of those i think |
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| 07:40.18 | mhall | CrazednDazed: i think k3b can do some bin/cue --> iso conversion |
| 07:40.36 | benje | hello chunk too |
| 07:40.37 | mhall | CrazednDazed: other than that your other choice is wine'ing CDRWIN since they invented bin/cue |
| 07:40.46 | mhall | benje: ? |
| 07:41.18 | CrazednDazed | mhall: K3b has the dvd video option, and it gives me a video_ts and an audio_ts. I'm not sure which go where...? I need to encode them first? |
| 07:41.33 | tralala | CrazednDazed, you need to read the docs first |
| 07:41.35 | benje | to convert bin/cue to iso bchunk |
| 07:41.46 | mhall | CrazednDazed: ah, video_ts and audio_ts are the directories you see on some DVDs |
| 07:42.00 | mhall | CrazednDazed: i think mplayer can play the BIN / CUE directly |
| 07:42.02 | CrazednDazed | tralala: What docs where do I find them? |
| 07:42.13 | mhall | CrazednDazed: maybe try pluggin em in on the commandline |
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| 07:42.19 | mhall | !tell CrazednDazed about marillat |
| 07:42.57 | mhall | CrazednDazed: but if it breaks you get to keep both pieces; i'm too drunk to hold onto them |
| 07:43.06 | tralala | CrazednDazed, a) the menu Help; b) man k3b; c) /usr/share/doc/k3b |
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| 07:43.31 | CrazednDazed | tralala: I've tried those, so far I haven't seen mention of .bin or .cue |
| 07:43.43 | tralala | CrazednDazed, try what benje suggests then |
| 07:44.00 | benje | here is a script i made http://www.cereli.org/index.php?page=fichier/script/mmiso |
| 07:44.03 | mhall | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=209547 |
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| 07:44.04 | benje | to do so |
| 07:44.11 | mhall | CrazednDazed: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=209547 |
| 07:44.40 | tralala | awww, naaawww... the U word! |
| 07:44.57 | dn4 | anyone here use pov-ray? |
| 07:44.59 | mhall | benje: assuming we speak enough französisch to understand your script right :-P |
| 07:45.25 | benje | yes :/ |
| 07:45.37 | mhall | benje: cause i mean i'm readin' the mofo and i'm all like f0ck, this shit's auf französisch and whatnot, shiyyyyt! |
| 07:45.41 | benje | butit very simple |
| 07:46.05 | mhall | tralala: hey man, those fuckers explained that shit right, cut em some slack |
| 07:46.21 | mhall | tralala: i'm drunk and even *I* can understand it lol |
| 07:46.34 | mhall | !tell dn4 about poll |
| 07:46.43 | tralala | mhall, you better go get some sleep |
| 07:46.50 | mhall | dn4: watch out for the badgers |
| 07:46.56 | mhall | tralala: i'll sleep when I'm dead |
| 07:47.26 | tralala | mhall, will you? |
| 07:47.38 | dn4 | oh snap |
| 07:47.39 | mhall | tralala: yes; quite! |
| 07:47.55 | mhall | dn4: word is bond, dogg; word... is... bond! |
| 07:48.43 | dn4 | mhall, arn't you the drunk one hehe |
| 07:49.31 | mhall | dn4: you have no idea |
| 07:49.51 | mhall | peace out |
| 07:50.03 | mhall | time to go party with my homie skillets out here in the 916 |
| 07:50.12 | dn4 | Peace Dawg |
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| 07:56.23 | DavidProck1981 | who has gnome |
| 07:57.17 | DavidProck1981 | any body alive |
| 07:57.53 | pitillo | DavidProck1981, ask your question |
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| 07:59.03 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way to make it to where i can (like in kde) press one key and open a console with it's being the same as the folder im in? |
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| 07:59.46 | DavidProck1981 | with it's Path* being |
| 08:00.04 | buu | DavidProck1981: Folder.. you're.. in? How are you in a folder if you don't have a console? |
| 08:00.07 | DavidProck1981 | is there a way to make it to where i can (like in kde) press one key and open a console with it's path being the same as the folder im in? |
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| 08:00.28 | DavidProck1981 | useing the folder wiver |
| 08:00.49 | DavidProck1981 | nautilus --no-desktop --browser %U |
| 08:01.10 | buu | Weird. |
| 08:01.19 | buu | What happens if you have uh, two folder browser thingies open? |
| 08:01.41 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 08:01.59 | DavidProck1981 | what woule happen if you open your home folder 2 limes LOL |
| 08:02.17 | Guerin | nothing? |
| 08:02.30 | tarzeau | mhall: you're so selfless, as always |
| 08:02.31 | DavidProck1981 | i was asking buu |
| 08:02.39 | DavidProck1981 | as a joke to what he ask |
| 08:02.52 | buu | DavidProck1981: Use a real window manager. |
| 08:03.07 | DavidProck1981 | in gnome, like what |
| 08:04.33 | buu | Not in gnome. |
| 08:04.36 | buu | That's the whole point. |
| 08:04.45 | DavidProck1981 | im in gnome |
| 08:04.53 | buu | I'm sorry. |
| 08:05.00 | Guerin | gnome isn't configurable enough to allow this |
| 08:05.08 | Guerin | that's what he's trying to say |
| 08:05.10 | DavidProck1981 | i know 'you' are LOL |
| 08:05.17 | Supaplex | DavidProck1981: really? that must be why I didn't install it. I don't want YOU on my box! buhahaabahahah |
| 08:05.22 | Guerin | i'm not sure, though, so you should ask #gnomr on irc.gnome.org |
| 08:06.03 | tralala | last time I checked it gnome wasn't even able to position the cursor/selection in dialogs following what you type on the keyboard |
| 08:06.18 | DavidProck1981 | the only reason im sticking with gnome is because i get better FPS on i game i like |
| 08:06.25 | DavidProck1981 | i dont see how thow |
| 08:06.36 | DavidProck1981 | but i do |
| 08:06.57 | Guerin | on the other hand, if you try evilwm you get that functionality by default, and in any of ion or open/black/fluxbox |
| 08:07.11 | Guerin | you can configure it in |
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| 08:07.48 | DavidProck1981 | how do i connect ot irc.gnome.org with game |
| 08:08.06 | DavidProck1981 | gaim |
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| 08:08.24 | pilgrim | where does stuff I apt-get get installed? |
| 08:08.26 | Supaplex | connect ot? what's that? |
| 08:08.29 | pilgrim | how do I find the directory? |
| 08:08.35 | DavidProck1981 | to |
| 08:08.46 | Supaplex | to what? huh? |
| 08:08.50 | DavidProck1981 | irc.gnome.org |
| 08:09.17 | Supaplex | pilgrim: dpkg -L <package> |
| 08:09.22 | DavidProck1981 | i barly got in this shat ofr hte first time |
| 08:09.44 | Supaplex | your error correcting modem won't fix typos :P |
| 08:09.51 | DavidProck1981 | i barly got in this chat for the first time |
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| 08:10.24 | pilgrim | Supaplex, thanks. |
| 08:11.09 | DavidProck1981 | Supaplex that was funny, i cant stop laughing |
| 08:11.19 | DavidProck1981 | Supaplex: your error correcting modem won't fix typos :P |
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| 08:14.02 | tenzing_ | hi ... when i run graphical applications like gedit from a root terminal i get an error saying : "Why does it always rain on me , Xlib: No protocol specified" .. what can the problem here? |
| 08:14.13 | tenzing_ | oppsss |
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| 08:14.15 | freespace | it has no umbrella |
| 08:14.25 | tenzing_ | lol |
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| 08:14.48 | Supaplex | echo $DISPLAY |
| 08:14.50 | tenzing_ | the error says "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 08:14.51 | tenzing_ | Xlib: No protocol specified" |
| 08:15.04 | Supaplex | !xsu |
| 08:15.09 | Supaplex | !sux |
| 08:15.09 | dpkg | sux is, like, su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 08:15.44 | Supaplex | that's the lame way.... |
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| 08:15.57 | tralala | !xauth |
| 08:15.57 | dpkg | ask me about mit-magic-cookie, or really in xbase-clients |
| 08:16.00 | Supaplex | I'd steal the XAUTHORITY env to point to your old home |
| 08:16.57 | tenzing_ | Supaplex: echo $DISPLAY says :0.0 |
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| 08:17.23 | Supaplex | tenzing_: what's echo $XAUTHORITY say as the non root user? |
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| 08:19.23 | sanabriamusic | anybody know if pclinuxos is free? |
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| 08:20.14 | karsten | sanabriamusic: The developer probably does. |
| 08:20.42 | karsten | sanabriamusic: ... and which free? |
| 08:21.02 | sanabriamusic | hey karsten |
| 08:21.18 | sanabriamusic | pclinuxos.org |
| 08:21.41 | dn4 | so if an object was 3d, what is the object that views the 3d objects dimensions? |
| 08:22.35 | karsten | dn4: 42 |
| 08:22.40 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.42 | sanabriamusic | ?? |
| 08:22.45 | RvGaTe | good morning debian |
| 08:22.53 | karsten | !friday |
| 08:22.54 | dpkg | it has been said that friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
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| 08:23.08 | sanabriamusic | 360 radius? |
| 08:23.13 | RvGaTe | karsten, wtf ? |
| 08:23.14 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 08:23.23 | karsten | sanabriamusic: There are some who might suggest that pclinuxos has relatively little relevance to #debian. |
| 08:23.25 | g333k | Hi.... I need to install v4l and v4l2, but I cant find th pkgs, arent they avaiable? |
| 08:23.35 | DavidProck1981 | who was it that tole me to goto irc.gnome.org |
| 08:23.45 | sanabriamusic | ok |
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| 08:24.36 | karsten | !tell g333k about search |
| 08:24.48 | karsten | DavidProck1981: Anyone sane. |
| 08:24.54 | g333k | karsten, I did |
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| 08:25.08 | DavidProck1981 | how do i register a nick for the first time on a server |
| 08:25.11 | bokey | itchi, hey.. =) |
| 08:25.24 | bokey | DavidProck1981, "/msg nickserv register <your_nick>" |
| 08:25.28 | karsten | g333k: Either you missed 'em or they don't exist |
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| 08:26.41 | g333k | karsten, I'm trying to compile a driver for my cam... and I got this error: /home/gonzalo/downloads/km_m560x/m560x_core.c:35:29: error: media/v4l2-dev.h:file or directory doesnt exist |
| 08:26.45 | karsten | g333k: I suppose you might convince someone here to search for you. Or you could state explicitely where you looked and how. |
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| 08:28.23 | karsten | !tell g333k about p.d.o. |
| 08:29.00 | karsten | g333k: That's your best bet. If it's not there, write the driver's author and ask where you should get the appropriate header files. |
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| 08:31.22 | Acid | anybody using squid? |
| 08:31.27 | DavidProck1981 | !u & !me |
| 08:31.31 | karsten | !tell Acid about polls |
| 08:31.35 | karsten | !tell Acid about ask |
| 08:32.07 | karsten | Acid: There's also #squid FYI. |
| 08:32.30 | Acid | FYI? |
| 08:32.33 | vlt | Hello. I just gzip'ed a file that contains many zeros. When I look at the .gz file there a large areas of AA or 55 bytes (which could be much smaller, I think). Is this a limit in the gzip algo? Can I improve compression further (data | gzip | gzip | gzip > .gz)?) |
| 08:32.34 | karsten | !FYI |
| 08:32.35 | dpkg | fyi is probably For Your Information |
| 08:32.47 | Acid | ok thanks |
| 08:32.47 | buu | vlt: bzip |
| 08:32.59 | buu | Well, bzip2 |
| 08:33.10 | buu | Also see the man page for compression time. |
| 08:33.26 | vlt | buu: Aah, ok, I'll check that. Thanks |
| 08:33.26 | tralala | vlt, you cannot compress already compressed data. You need to select a better algorithm instead |
| 08:33.45 | vlt | tralala: Like bzip2? |
| 08:33.49 | tralala | yes |
| 08:33.59 | bokey | tralala, hello =) |
| 08:34.15 | bokey | tralala, seen itchi lately ? |
| 08:34.29 | karsten | bokey: /msg dpkg seen <nick> |
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| 08:34.38 | tralala | vlt, be sure to use it on the original data, not the .gz |
| 08:34.48 | bokey | karsten, yeah. thanks. |
| 08:37.29 | vlt | tralala: I do now a `gunzip < gzipped.gz | bzip2 > bzipped.bz2`, which should do the same, right? |
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| 08:39.06 | tralala | vlt, given that you use the correct options which you actually don't |
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| 08:40.01 | Grubby | hello, i isntalled python-htmlgen using apt-get install python-htmlgen |
| 08:40.03 | vlt | tralala: Oops, what do you mean? |
| 08:40.12 | Grubby | would that mean my httpd goes down? |
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| 08:40.25 | Grubby | I was running apache |
| 08:40.37 | Grubby | also since i installed it, i am unable to ssh into it |
| 08:41.02 | tralala | vlt, by default gzip and bzip2 don't use stdout for output |
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| 08:41.30 | Grubby | But the irc connrction via that system seems ok, as i see it connected here |
| 08:41.47 | tralala | well, I might be wrong in your case though as you're using stdin for input |
| 08:41.48 | Grubby | so the connection is ok. Also i doubt that would do something with ssh |
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| 08:43.27 | lastnode | ops? |
| 08:43.32 | tralala | vlt, don't mind me - it should be okay |
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| 08:43.33 | lastnode | LoveBaby-and-Sti is a spambot |
| 08:44.03 | vlt | tralala: `bunzip2 < .bz2 | hd | head` is the same as `gunzip < .gz | hd | head` -- so it should be working ;-) |
| 08:44.09 | vlt | tralala: Thank you. |
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| 08:44.47 | tralala | !ops LoveBaby-and-Sti on-join porn spambot |
| 08:44.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tralala complains about: LoveBaby-and-Sti on-join porn spambot |
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| 08:45.46 | Slotter | Hello. Do anybody know if there exsists a driber for the 9250 ATI Radeon gfx card? |
| 08:46.19 | tralala | Slotter, debian sarge? |
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| 08:47.56 | Slotter | Uhm how do I get the version of my install and kernel? |
| 08:48.06 | Slotter | Think its sarge |
| 08:48.29 | tralala | Slotter, cat /etc/debian_version; cat /proc/version |
| 08:49.53 | Slotter | If I cat the /etc/debian_version its telling me 3.1 |
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| 08:50.18 | hallel | hello all |
| 08:50.43 | tralala | Slotter, does your X start at all? |
| 08:50.44 | hallel | can any1 help me resolve connecting to mysql server on my machine ? |
| 08:51.47 | sep | !ask |
| 08:51.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:53.01 | hallel | I am using etch and I am trying to install drupal, i cant build a new db because I don't know how to access mysql |
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| 08:53.59 | tralala | hallel, read /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
| 08:55.26 | Slotter | tralala, yes it does. My only problem is that Im trying to start up with two screens connected with to gfx cards. But I cant get it working. My primary screen runs but screen number two freezes. If I try the two gfx cards seperate it works fine with vesa drivers, but when I try to combine those two, screen number two freezes. |
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| 08:56.05 | |bb7| | hi, can you tell me a alternative to pastebin? |
| 08:56.27 | sid | http://rafb.net/paste |
| 08:56.56 | |bb7| | thx |
| 08:56.59 | sep | http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 08:57.06 | tralala | Slotter: paste the output of cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log to rafb.net/paste |
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| 08:58.48 | Slotter | tralala, ok. two seconds then |
| 08:59.02 | hallel | tralala: there are 6 different mysql folders |
| 08:59.12 | vlt | Hello again. what's the best way to `netcat` a sparse file (produced by `nftsclone`)? Does nc recognize the holes? Do I have to pipe it through `tar -S`? Does the target fs (ext3 on linux 2.6.15) handle it right? ...? |
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| 08:59.32 | DavidProck1981 | any one have an ATI Radeon 8500DV , by chance? |
| 08:59.35 | tralala | hallel, I bet they are all full of useful information |
| 08:59.44 | peterS | vlt: netcat has no concept of holes, only data. tar might be your best bet. |
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| 09:00.20 | peterS | vlt: most Unix filesystems, certainly including ext3, can handle sparse files. but only if you create them sparse, it doesn't poke holes in files automatically. |
| 09:00.24 | hallel | tralala: if i wanted to read them I wouldn'd come here :-) I have to much things to do. can you guide me or not ? |
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| 09:00.51 | tralala | hallel, not any further than I already have |
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| 09:01.39 | wickedly_cool | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.58 | DavidProck1981 | 4 here too |
| 09:02.00 | vlt | peterS: So, when netcat delivers the zero *data* the target fs doesn't write holes, I see ... Then I'll try the tar way. |
| 09:02.06 | vlt | peterS: Thanks. |
| 09:02.08 | DavidProck1981 | 4:03 |
| 09:02.30 | hallel | tralala: well, |
| 09:02.44 | peterS | DavidProck1981: ahh, so you're 4 minutes and 59 seconds behind GMT, then |
| 09:02.51 | peterS | I mean 4 hours and 59 minutes |
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| 09:02.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 09:02.58 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 09:03.04 | peterS | tarzeau: can you please STOP DOING THAT? |
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| 09:03.12 | tenzing_ | Supaplex: echo $XAUTHORITY as non root doesnt give any output ... just a new line |
| 09:03.41 | DavidProck1981 | as of now 4:03 by my cell phone, and it gets the time from the signal so HA HA HA HA |
| 09:03.59 | DavidProck1981 | my pc was just one min fast |
| 09:04.14 | DavidProck1981 | 4:04 now |
| 09:04.29 | peterS | tarzeau: advertising a project that nobody asked you about, and in fact nobody was talking to you at all, is called spam. stop spamming #debian. you have been doing it far too long and we've been lenient. |
| 09:04.51 | DavidProck1981 | peterS: so what do you mean, maby it is you that is behind? |
| 09:05.13 | peterS | DavidProck1981: if I am, then the Internet time servers that I synchronize with are also behind |
| 09:05.28 | tarzeau | peterS: i agree |
| 09:05.33 | DavidProck1981 | lol that is one big ping time LOL |
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| 09:06.31 | DavidProck1981 | why is the #ati room dead |
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| 09:06.31 | dargor__ | hey if ftp(the program) isnt installed can apt use a ftp mirror |
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| 09:07.29 | vlt | Is there a trick to distribute bzipping a pipe to several cpus? |
| 09:07.34 | wickedly_cool | windows sync? |
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| 09:07.37 | l3mr | should it be possible to debootstrap a 64bit installation from a running 32bit debian? ( cpu is 64bit, of course ) |
| 09:07.47 | tarzeau | vlt: hm |
| 09:07.53 | tarzeau | vlt: one very large file? |
| 09:07.58 | cast | vlt: when you find such tricks tell me :) |
| 09:08.07 | tarzeau | cast, vlt, you never use lzma? |
| 09:08.14 | cast | yes. |
| 09:08.18 | cast | that supports smp? |
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| 09:08.43 | tarzeau | cast: i don't know. but it compresses better and uncompresses faster than bzip2 |
| 09:08.51 | DavidProck1981 | i cant wait till bill gates is dead and the M$ goes all to hell |
| 09:09.00 | tarzeau | cast: it think you'd have to have multiple files to distribute it onto some cpus/machines |
| 09:09.03 | cast | oh. lol. yes, it does. i prefer it :) it compresses faster and better than bzip |
| 09:09.20 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: i doubt ms will go to hell if bill gates dies |
| 09:09.47 | streuner | DavidProck1981: that utter crap, most of us fight for debian and iam not care about other OS's |
| 09:09.51 | cast | tarzeau: maybe he ment literal hell, maybe bill moderates balmer! |
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| 09:10.04 | streuner | haha |
| 09:10.43 | cast | vlt: what other good-for-SMP-box tricks have you come across? :) |
| 09:10.57 | tarzeau | make -j2, 3, or 4? |
| 09:10.57 | DavidProck1981 | Q. about compression , for 3GB worth of files what is the best compression to use |
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| 09:11.17 | tarzeau | cast, vlt: know condor of wisconsin? |
| 09:11.30 | cast | Description: parallel bzip2 implementation |
| 09:11.38 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: depends if the files are compressed already, if not. lzma compresses best, lzop fastest, and gzip is good |
| 09:11.46 | cast | vlt: use that maybe^ just found it, its in apt, pbzip2 |
| 09:11.56 | cast | tarzeau: negitive |
| 09:11.59 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: run www.linuks.mine.nu/ch/ on the files and make a screenshot? |
| 09:12.31 | vlt | cast: Don't know any good-for-SMP trick by now ;-) ... |
| 09:12.48 | DavidProck1981 | The Sims 8 in 1.tar.bz2, but it takes fior ever to open |
| 09:13.48 | vlt | tarzeau: condor of wisconsin??? |
| 09:14.01 | tarzeau | !condor |
| 09:14.05 | DavidProck1981 | how to i run that on my files |
| 09:14.06 | tarzeau | dpkg condor is The Linux Kernel Archives |
| 09:14.06 | tarzeau | Welcome to the Linux Kernel Archives. This is the primary site for the Linux kernel source, but it has much more than just Linux kernels. |
| 09:14.06 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 09:14.09 | tarzeau | Protocol Location |
| 09:14.10 | tarzeau | oops sorry |
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| 09:14.31 | niru | tarzeau:hello |
| 09:14.32 | tarzeau | dpkg condor is http://www.cs.wisc.edu/condor/ and http://www.cs.wisc.edu/condor/map/ |
| 09:14.32 | dpkg | ...but condor is already something else... |
| 09:14.42 | niru | how can I talk to dpkg |
| 09:15.00 | tarzeau | niru: /msg dpkg whatever |
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| 09:15.08 | sep | niru, type /msg dpkg hello |
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| 09:16.05 | tarzeau | hey l3m |
| 09:16.31 | Slotter | tralala, rafb.net/paste/results/atGTyX96.html |
| 09:16.47 | cast | yip, pbzip2 does give me ~2x speed over bzip2 |
| 09:17.26 | niru | tarzeau:why no response from dpkg |
| 09:17.45 | vlt | cast: And better compression ratio? |
| 09:17.57 | Suprano | i get response when i hello dpkg |
| 09:18.00 | cast | didn't test that. |
| 09:18.05 | vlt | cast: never mind ... |
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| 09:18.18 | cast | i mean the compression method is the same..they're both bzip2 |
| 09:18.19 | vlt | cast: I still thought of lzma ... |
| 09:18.32 | cast | lzma will go faster and give you smaller files than bzip2 |
| 09:18.53 | DavidProck1981 | who wants "The Sims 8 in 1" its works with wine |
| 09:19.02 | vlt | cast; Is lzma faster than pbzip2 on an SMP machine? |
| 09:19.25 | cast | i doubt it for compression, maybe for decompression, bzip2 is very slow at that |
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| 09:19.36 | tralala | Slotter, how many video cards do you have? |
| 09:19.37 | cast | benchmark it. tell me ;) |
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| 09:20.18 | berkes | does anyone know a tool to show all diskpace (used and free) regardless of availability and mountability? |
| 09:20.19 | DavidProck1981 | The Sims 8 in 1.tar.bz2 = 1.9 GB |
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| 09:20.23 | umar | how can we suppress root password in general user.....as ubuntu live cd does |
| 09:20.42 | Slotter | tralala, video cards? I got two gfx cards with output |
| 09:20.58 | berkes | I have the idea something went amok and am trying to find out wether or not some hdd is partly broken. |
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| 09:21.44 | tralala | Slotter, what do you mean two cards with output? Is this two separate cards on two pci/agp/pcix slots or a single card with support for two displays (as in dual-head)? |
| 09:22.03 | DavidProck1981 | berkes: run "cat /proc/partitions" |
| 09:22.10 | berkes | DavidProck1981: thanks |
| 09:22.28 | berkes | .. thats indeed what I needed |
| 09:22.37 | Slotter | Ah. Forget about the output sentence. I got two separate cards. |
| 09:22.39 | DavidProck1981 | 'u' welcome |
| 09:23.04 | tralala | Slotter, both 9250? |
| 09:23.10 | DavidProck1981 | berkes: i just recently learn that my self |
| 09:23.19 | Slotter | tralala, yes. |
| 09:23.31 | tralala | Slotter, and why are you using the vesa driver? |
| 09:23.31 | l3m | hey tarzeau :) |
| 09:23.41 | Slotter | tralala, yes. |
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| 09:23.47 | vlt | cast, tarzeau: pbzip2 doesn't accept "-" as input file ... What did I miss? |
| 09:23.49 | tralala | Slotter, why? |
| 09:23.51 | berkes | grea :(. now I found that my two hdds are using RAID completely wrong |
| 09:24.02 | ehab | yo all how can i upgrade the fire wall |
| 09:24.07 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
| 09:24.08 | ehab | im useing serge |
| 09:24.12 | berkes | as in: the yaer one-off resulting in tiny available disks :/ |
| 09:24.25 | berkes | ~they are |
| 09:24.31 | tralala | ehab, upgrade? |
| 09:24.31 | Slotter | Why vesa? Because I dont know how to install the ATI driver |
| 09:24.42 | tralala | !drxx Slotter |
| 09:24.42 | dpkg | Slotter: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:24.48 | ehab | bye bey |
| 09:24.50 | DavidProck1981 | software raid? |
| 09:25.06 | cast | vlt: yeah...i noticed that too |
| 09:25.10 | l3m | tarzeau: whats up :) |
| 09:25.14 | berkes | DavidProck1981: yes |
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| 09:25.39 | DavidProck1981 | i have done one before, and one of the HDD die later on |
| 09:26.15 | DavidProck1981 | so i lost every thing |
| 09:26.38 | DavidProck1981 | that was a few years agao |
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| 09:26.59 | vlt | cast: Now I'll try lzma's smp behavior ... |
| 09:27.09 | cast | DavidProck1981: that happened to me 2 weeks ago :( |
| 09:27.16 | cast | vlt: it doesn't have any |
| 09:27.23 | DavidProck1981 | that really sucks |
| 09:27.45 | cast | i only lost 6 weeks worth of stuff, though :> |
| 09:27.46 | DavidProck1981 | theck this out !!!!!!!!!!!............. |
| 09:27.52 | ericP | (asked after a after a brief bit o' searching) anyone know of a bug with the nvidia driver locking up (not the mouse) when playing movies? |
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| 09:27.58 | cydork | !!! |
| 09:27.58 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 09:28.13 | CrazednDazed | I am trying to compile cairo-1.2.6 on debian. I get this error at the end; configure: error: Cairo requires at least one font backend. Please install freetype and fontconfig, then try again: http://freetype.org/ http://fontconfig.org/ I have installed the latest versions of freetype and fontconfig. I have also googled for this and not found something that fixes it, after trying: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfi |
| 09:28.13 | CrazednDazed | g and declare -x PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig |
| 09:28.23 | ericP | i switched to nv, lost xinarama, but stopped the crash from manifesting |
| 09:28.35 | DavidProck1981 | at one time i bought 2 maxtor HDDs at radir shack, the wer the same kind |
| 09:28.35 | tralala | !!!! |
| 09:28.36 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 09:28.44 | eap | ericP...which driver are you using?...whats the card? |
| 09:28.51 | berkes | well, my #1 problem is that I am re-doing my backup policy, and twice now all hdd flooded while making the backups :/ |
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| 09:29.21 | tarzeau | vlt: dunno pbzip2 |
| 09:29.34 | DavidProck1981 | cast: one week after the worenty, one went out, and one month later the other went out |
| 09:29.36 | berkes | the weird thing is that I calculated to have way more then enough space available. was wrong due to the "broken" raid setup |
| 09:29.40 | cast | DavidProck1981: i'm more for daily rsync than raid 1. that way if your OS screws you over you've still got the rsync backup on that other unmounted/usb/network drive :> |
| 09:29.42 | tarzeau | l3m: not much. ocp is portable now. and lzma is nice, did the http://livecd.gnustep.org/ version 1.0. what about you? |
| 09:29.52 | ericP | eap, was using latest (from module-assistant) nvidia driver. nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7400 (rev a1) |
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| 09:30.15 | ericP | eap, set up per http://math.umh.ac.be/an/D820/#nvidia |
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| 09:30.43 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.14 | l3m | tarzeau: well, not too much either. got a new geforce 8800 from my prof but it doesn't really want to work under 64bit linux >/ |
| 09:31.18 | DavidProck1981 | now did they plan that shit< maxtor tht is |
| 09:31.19 | berkes | ah, man, how I hate these experts-exchange.com anwsers popping up in google queries |
| 09:31.21 | Zambezi | I need help to find a repos for Debian so I can help a guy install rtorrent via apt-get. Can someone give me the repos? I can't find it. |
| 09:31.39 | tarzeau | l3m: on linux? amd64? |
| 09:31.45 | cast | DavidProck1981: mmm. i don't hold much value in warranties..i think its a bit dodgy returning a drive full of your personal information |
| 09:31.51 | tarzeau | l3m: which nvidia drvier do you use, the latest binary? |
| 09:31.59 | tarzeau | l3m: sid or not? |
| 09:32.05 | l3m | tarzeau: yep |
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| 09:32.08 | Slotter | tralala, where does dpkg-reconfigure put the file that it generates? |
| 09:32.10 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 09:32.24 | Chris-NB | can someone tell me where I can get the fuse-module package? |
| 09:32.24 | l3m | tarzeau: actually, ubu edgy (duck) |
| 09:32.26 | eap | ericP...are you using the nv driver..or nvidia's proprietary driver? |
| 09:32.32 | tarzeau | l3m: BANG! BANG! BANG! |
| 09:32.35 | DavidProck1981 | Zambezi: i just tri rtorrent and i tri qtorrent and they both SUCK compaired to ktorrent |
| 09:32.41 | berkes | can anyone tell me how I find out how many bytes one block is on my system? |
| 09:32.47 | tralala | Slotter, it modifies your config file if you haven't touched it manually |
| 09:32.52 | l3m | tarzeau: dont worry my own machines are still debian :) and will always be |
| 09:33.00 | ericP | eap, nv now. but it was nvidia that was crashing |
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| 09:33.36 | lavi | hi ALL, |
| 09:33.37 | DavidProck1981 | Zambezi: i just tri rtorrent and qtorrent the other day and they both SUCK compaired to ktorrent |
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| 09:33.45 | Zambezi | DavidProck1981, But I don't care if rtorrent sucks. He wants it probably because he doesn't use a X-server. |
| 09:33.50 | lavi | how can I pause a process which is running |
| 09:33.55 | Slotter | tralala, I have touched it manually, so I need to delete XF86Config-4 from /etc/X11 ? |
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| 09:34.08 | eap | ericP: what kernel....i use an older card the MX 400 and the latest nvidia driver (for compiz)...no issues |
| 09:34.19 | Zambezi | DavidProck1981, Did you configure rtorrent.rc properly? |
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| 09:34.30 | tralala | Slotter, no, you need to read again _carefully_ what dpkg said |
| 09:34.34 | ericP | eap, sid's 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 09:34.34 | tarzeau | l3mr: which kernel btw? |
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| 09:34.43 | DavidProck1981 | oh well aptitude install rtorrent and it worked |
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| 09:35.15 | DavidProck1981 | rtorrent just dont have any options |
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| 09:35.26 | DavidProck1981 | plane as HELL |
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| 09:35.53 | Zambezi | DavidProck1981, It didn't work. The repos isn't right. Which one should he use? |
| 09:35.57 | yassaccan | lavi: ctrl-z |
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| 09:36.08 | eap | ericP: i use 2.6.18 off kernel.org....haven't had a prob....does it crash only when playing movies?? |
| 09:36.21 | DavidProck1981 | if he has a gui use Ktorrent, it is very good |
| 09:36.21 | JQG | Debian can run with amd64?Anyone ever tried it? |
| 09:36.22 | lavi | yassaccan, this process dont background :) |
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| 09:36.45 | yassaccan | ok. to bad :/ don't know when... |
| 09:37.04 | ericP | eap, only when playing movies. vlc and some other movie starting with a t maybe |
| 09:37.37 | Slotter | tralala, read it carefully. It doesnt tell my anything about altering a file |
| 09:38.28 | eap | ericP i remember reading up on this somewhere...similar issues as yours...however i can't remember where or what.....maybe google will show it up...sorr can't be of more help |
| 09:38.42 | DavidProck1981 | ive tried like 4 of 5 torrent apps and ktorrent was the best of them |
| 09:38.54 | DavidProck1981 | 4 or* 5 |
| 09:38.58 | tarzeau | now there's a new debian gnu/kfreebsd installer based on 6.1 kernel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2006/12/msg00010.html |
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| 09:39.17 | ericP | eap, that's ok. this has been oddly theraputic |
| 09:39.18 | lavi | yassaccan, kill - 19 pid then -18, tnx anyway |
| 09:39.30 | ericP | eap, tx for the effort |
| 09:39.30 | Slotter | !drxx xmd5 |
| 09:39.30 | dpkg | xmd5: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:39.38 | eap | ericP: :) welcome |
| 09:39.48 | l3m | tarzeau: nice. the 0406 installer was broken somehow, didn't work in parallels ( the older did, though ) |
| 09:39.49 | eap | JQG: im currently using it on AMD64 turion |
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| 09:40.10 | tralala | Slotter, so it doesn't say "If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5>" |
| 09:40.30 | DavidProck1981 | later |
| 09:40.40 | JQG | eap，did u find any program cannot run on it? |
| 09:40.42 | tralala | Slotter: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 09:40.55 | yassaccan | lavi: aha, tnx |
| 09:41.14 | tarzeau | l3m: can you try the new one? |
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| 09:41.23 | eap | JQG: hmm none i can think off, anything particular? im runnon full gnome+ etch |
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| 09:41.39 | eap | JQG: and it rocks ;-) |
| 09:42.03 | l3m | tarzeau: ok. but not right now...\ |
| 09:42.28 | JQG | eap>aha，good news |
| 09:42.45 | eap | JQG: ah.. i do run skype in a 32 bit chroot |
| 09:42.54 | CrazednDazed | I am trying to compile cairo-1.2.6 on debian. I get this error at the end; configure: error: Cairo requires at least one font backend. Please install freetype and fontconfig, then try again: http://freetype.org/ http://fontconfig.org/ I have installed the latest versions of freetype and fontconfig. I have also googled for this and not found something that fixes it, after trying: export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfi |
| 09:42.54 | CrazednDazed | g and declare -x PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig any ideas anyone? |
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| 09:43.04 | eap | JQG: nothing besides that |
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| 09:43.37 | JQG | eap>so I must download an iso for Amd64,can i386 run with an64? |
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| 09:44.14 | eap | JQG: it can, but not optimally, get the ISO |
| 09:44.39 | JQG | eao,Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:44.49 | JQG | eap,thanks a lot |
| 09:44.49 | eap | JQG: advice get the net install + update |
| 09:44.55 | eap | JQG: Welcome |
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| 09:47.44 | Grub_now | Could someone help me install PySyck on debian |
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| 09:47.56 | Grub_now | apparently it wouldnt install |
| 09:47.58 | Grub_now | http://pyyaml.org/wiki/PySyck |
| 09:48.27 | Supaplex | [ smack forehead here ; rinse ; repeat ] |
| 09:48.31 | Supaplex | nite :) |
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| 09:50.26 | Grub_now | Supaplex: :P |
| 09:50.41 | RvGaTe | aaaahhh..... this is great... |
| 09:50.43 | tralala | Grub_now, apparently pysyck is already in debian - python-syck |
| 09:50.47 | Ash-Fox | Would anyone happen to know the best method for detecting in a makefile if the target platform is i386 or not (at least some documentation on this?)? (Currently I'm using a script in the middle of this to determine and execute the appropriate commands, and I don't believe that's the 'right' way todo it) |
| 09:51.04 | Grub_now | tralala: So you say PySyck and python-syck are the same? |
| 09:51.15 | tralala | yes |
| 09:51.23 | cast | hmm, compressed bt.log and got a file 45x smaller with lzma :) |
| 09:51.46 | Grub_now | tralala: But the purpose it ought to solve isnt being done |
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| 09:52.46 | tralala | Grub_now, in sarge there's no syck.dump - old version |
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| 09:53.09 | Grub_now | tralala: how do i get past that? |
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| 09:54.37 | Grub_now | tralala: |
| 09:54.39 | Grub_now | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.39 | Grub_now | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'dump' |
| 09:54.39 | Grub_now | ERROR 2006-12-15T03:45:56 supybot Exception id: 0x3d0f3 |
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| 09:54.50 | Grub_now | oops |
| 09:54.54 | Grub_now | tralala: ^^ |
| 09:54.58 | cubiq | How do I create a user manually. I mean can I edit the group file myself and add users or do I need to edit other files aswell? |
| 09:55.01 | tralala | Grub_now, the easiest way I found is to run the code on another machine having more recent version |
| 09:55.14 | cast | cubiq: group, passwd, shadow |
| 09:55.24 | Grub_now | tralala: means i cant run it on this system? |
| 09:55.25 | cubiq | cast: thanks |
| 09:55.32 | Grub_now | or could i get the older versions? |
| 09:55.34 | tralala | cubiq, don't edit files manually - man adduser |
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| 09:55.44 | tralala | Grub_now, not easily |
| 09:55.53 | Grub_now | tralala: why is that so? |
| 09:55.54 | cubiq | tralala: Can't do that. Embedded system with cramfs :) |
| 09:56.14 | Grub_now | tralala: if i get the older version then? |
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| 09:57.58 | tralala | Grub_now, because you'll have to compile it yourself and this could be a problem. I don't remember if I have attempted to do it, I just found it easier to run the code at the office using newer pysyck |
| 09:59.03 | Grub_now | tralala: ok, ill try it on another system |
| 10:00.08 | Grub_now | tralala: btw, another system != sarge? |
| 10:00.17 | tralala | yes |
| 10:00.20 | Grub_now | ok |
| 10:00.29 | Grub_now | would it work on the previous versions? |
| 10:00.42 | tralala | the loading? |
| 10:01.03 | Grub_now | syck.dump |
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| 10:01.11 | Grub_now | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'dump' |
| 10:01.24 | tralala | there's no dump in the old versions |
| 10:01.36 | tralala | you need a newer version to do dump |
| 10:01.43 | Grub_now | where do i get it from? |
| 10:01.49 | l3mr | tarzeau: the installer starts ( which the 0406 didn't ) but gets stuck somewhere in the install ( last output: /stand/sysinstall running as init on vt0 ) |
| 10:01.58 | kerkin | help, browsers, both firefox and konqueror, cannot display .png image. |
| 10:02.01 | cast | hmm. in sarge i used to use exim-config, is there an easy way to configure exim in etch too? |
| 10:02.09 | Grub_now | and tralala the newer version wont run on sarge? |
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| 10:02.29 | tralala | Grub_now, you can't get one for sarge. For etch you could probably get it using apt otherwise it would depend on the platform. |
| 10:02.40 | Grub_now | ah |
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| 10:03.07 | Grub_now | tralala: ok, Thanks for the all he help |
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| 10:03.30 | tralala | Grub_now, you're welcome |
| 10:03.38 | kerkin | have installed png2html. |
| 10:04.10 | cydork | !drec cast |
| 10:04.10 | dpkg | cast: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 10:05.14 | s0le | hi all |
| 10:05.17 | s0le | i upgraded to deb unstable. all ok, but mouse scrolling dont work. how fix that? |
| 10:05.35 | tarzeau | l3mr: can you report that in #gnu-kbsd ? |
| 10:05.45 | l3mr | tarzeau: did 30 secs ago :) |
| 10:06.46 | cast | thanks :> |
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| 10:07.00 | tralala | s0le, reconfigure X and make sure you select the relevant options for scroll mouse |
| 10:07.22 | tralala | s0le, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 10:07.29 | kerkin | kerkin: what do i need to do to so that browser can display the .png in a webpage? |
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| 10:08.16 | s0le | trajanux, oh..tnx, a thoght that problem in kde. |
| 10:08.24 | s0le | tralala, ^:) |
| 10:08.37 | tralala | kerkin, you need to install a browser that supports .png |
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| 10:09.11 | kerkin | tralala: tried with firefox and konqueror. don't they? |
| 10:09.33 | tralala | kerkin, they should. What's the webpage in question? |
| 10:09.58 | kerkin | tralala: its a webpage i created with nvu. |
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| 10:10.08 | tralala | kerkin, is it online? |
| 10:10.18 | berkes | where does debian store its soft RAID maps ? |
| 10:10.19 | kerkin | no |
| 10:10.51 | tralala | kerkin, my best guess is that your html code is wrong |
| 10:11.32 | kerkin | http://localhost/a.png is ok but http://localhost/index.html where a.png is an image is not. |
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| 10:11.35 | kerkin | nvu does not require me to code. |
| 10:12.09 | tralala | kerkin: paste the output of grep a.png index.html to rafb.net/paste |
| 10:12.27 | kerkin | hang on |
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| 10:16.54 | kerkin | tralala: i give ypu the complete line: <div style="text-align: center;"><a href="http://localhost/a.avi"><img style="border: 0px solid ; width: 256px; height: 192px;" alt="a Video" src="file:///localhost/a.png"></a><br |
| 10:18.47 | tralala | kerkin, apparently the file url should be a http url instead |
| 10:19.54 | kerkin | ok, will check it out. |
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| 10:25.44 | utrrrongeeb | Is it usual for files in a user's home directory to be world-readable? It seems some of them on this system are. |
| 10:26.00 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: for a few select files, yes. |
| 10:26.10 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: generally though, you set your umask so that they're not. |
| 10:26.39 | dondelelcaro | (generally files/directories like .forward, public_html, .plan are world readable) |
| 10:26.52 | kerkin | tralala: works ok now, that was the mistake. thks. |
| 10:27.02 | utrrrongeeb | dondelelcaro: What do I set the umask on, the directory? |
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| 10:27.06 | tralala | kerkin, you're welcome |
| 10:27.18 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: no, you set the umask in your .bashrc or similar. |
| 10:27.39 | kerkin | bye |
| 10:27.55 | dondelelcaro | cast: that's often part of the filesystem; there should be some information at the beginning before those zeros. |
| 10:28.17 | utrrrongeeb | dondelelcaro: So there's a line in .bashrc that sets the umask, or do I set the permissions of the file itself? |
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| 10:28.48 | smhar | hello again |
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| 10:29.20 | dondelelcaro | utrrrongeeb: you can do either. umask sets the default permissions of newly created files and directories; chmod sets permissions on existing files and directories. |
| 10:29.36 | cast | dondelelcaro: that was what i thought, too |
| 10:30.00 | smhar | what is better for installing kde, or any other big program for that matter, installing a metapackage or installing individual packages? |
| 10:30.01 | cast | # od -Ad -w32 -x -N1k /dev/sda1 |
| 10:30.01 | cast | 0000000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 |
| 10:30.06 | dondelelcaro | cast: but it's not always the case; a swap filesystem, FE, doesn't have that. ext2 also has a bunch of zeros before the first superblock. |
| 10:30.22 | cast | FE? |
| 10:30.22 | dondelelcaro | smhar: depends what you want |
| 10:30.24 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 10:30.24 | dpkg | Fe is Ferrum, or Iron, atomic number 26, 55.847amu. FE is dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, ie 'eg.'. FE can also mean Functional Entity or possibly Form End. |
| 10:30.27 | utrrrongeeb | dondelelcaro: Thanks, I'll look for that... |
| 10:30.49 | cast | ahh. |
| 10:31.11 | cast | see, i'm trying to establish where to backup everthing before sda1 on the disk |
| 10:31.24 | smhar | dondelelcaro: I want kde installed, what other factors should I consider? |
| 10:31.25 | dondelelcaro | cast: you mean the partition table? |
| 10:31.30 | dondelelcaro | cast: or the boot loader |
| 10:31.35 | cast | now since sda1 starts 63 sections in, and i thought the partition table was only 512 bytes, |
| 10:31.39 | cast | all of it! |
| 10:32.50 | dondelelcaro | cast: the exact size depends on the disk partitioning type. A macintosh partitioning scheme, for example, starts with the very first partition which has the partition map |
| 10:33.41 | dondelelcaro | smhar: you can just install the kde metapackage then, and later, if you don't want it all, you can deselect it, and select it's dependencies. |
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| 10:34.34 | dondelelcaro | smhar: the advantage of picking the meta package is that you automatically deal with package name transitions; the disadvantage is that it isn't as flexible. [Of course, you can always switch which way you're doing things, so it's really only a temporary loss in flexibility.[] |
| 10:34.39 | smhar_ | dondelelcaro: what if I removed the metapackage will everything be removed as well? |
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| 10:36.39 | dondelelcaro | smhar_: if you're using aptitude, it'll ask you to, but you can always tell it to keep the packages the metapackage depends on installed using unmarkauto or the curses interface. |
| 10:37.16 | Chris-NB | can I run depmod on a running system/kernel? |
| 10:37.53 | dondelelcaro | Chris-NB: yes |
| 10:37.58 | Chris-NB | ok |
| 10:38.03 | Chris-NB | so'll try it again |
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| 10:40.06 | vlt | tarzeau: I try to un-lzma a pipe on an (*duck*) Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 machine. There's no pkg "lzma" available (while on Ubuntu Edgy 6.10 actually is). There's only a "p7zip". Do you know how to handle lzma streams with that? `lzma data | 7z e -si -so` gives "Incorrect command line". |
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| 10:41.44 | last2 | How can i run fsck when box is booting ? |
| 10:43.13 | Gnea | last2: boot into single-user mode and run it manually |
| 10:43.34 | last2 | on dedicated box |
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| 10:43.37 | last2 | ... |
| 10:43.41 | Gnea | dedicated? |
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| 10:44.24 | last2 | i cant fyscicaly touch the box |
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| 10:44.52 | Gnea | is there a tech that's there that could do it for you? |
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| 10:45.14 | last2 | i guess so :D |
| 10:45.20 | Gnea | ring ring :) |
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| 10:47.27 | CrazednDazed | I just managed to install all the dependencies for MPlayer in debian, and I got through configure make and make install with no errors. but now, when I run: gmplayer I get a weird fonts error: (<unknown>:19076): Pango-WARNING **: pango_shape called with bad font, expect ugly output All the menus in gmplayer are blocks! |
| 10:48.38 | eap | last2: youd have to choose the run the script @ the run level, but remember, you WILL NOT have network access during this time (to the best of my knowledge), and if somethings wrong,... you need local assisitance |
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| 10:49.42 | petemc | last2: touch /forcefsck |
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| 10:52.39 | Chris-NB | dondek, abaout the depmod thing: when I run that I geht that error: FATAL: Could not rename /mnt/usb/lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep.temp into /mnt/usb/lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep: Operation not permitted |
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| 10:53.18 | DerJamster | Chris-NB: you are doing this as root, right? Just askin' :> |
| 10:53.22 | Chris-NB | jep |
| 10:53.25 | DerJamster | strange |
| 10:53.27 | DerJamster | hmh |
| 10:53.30 | Chris-NB | mhm : / |
| 10:53.38 | DerJamster | wait. usb? |
| 10:53.39 | Chris-NB | the modules.dep file allready exists |
| 10:53.52 | DerJamster | type mount. /mnt/usb is mounted with what options? |
| 10:53.55 | Chris-NB | should/do i have to remove that first ? |
| 10:53.59 | DerJamster | nope |
| 10:54.25 | Chris-NB | interesting options : D :sshfs#root@1xx1xx.2x.xx:/ on /mnt/usb type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,max_read=65536,allow_other) |
| 10:54.41 | DerJamster | hrm. seems good..was watching for a ro, but its rw. |
| 10:54.47 | Chris-NB | noop |
| 10:54.48 | DerJamster | it's, rather. |
| 10:54.56 | Chris-NB | and the underlaying filesystem is rw as well |
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| 10:55.20 | Chris-NB | what happens if i remove modules.dep ? |
| 10:55.22 | DerJamster | try manually creating a file in that dir. |
| 10:55.29 | Chris-NB | the system is up and running |
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| 10:56.33 | DerJamster | yes yes..but try manually creating a file in that directory :) |
| 10:56.42 | Chris-NB | I can create a file |
| 10:56.44 | DerJamster | usually, depmod and a running system shouldn't conflict. |
| 10:56.46 | Chris-NB | and write data into it |
| 10:56.49 | Chris-NB | k |
| 10:56.51 | dondelelcaro | Chris-NB: you've got some sort of filesystem permissions on the remote side; see exactly what the issue is with lsattr, or whatever else. |
| 10:56.53 | DerJamster | okay..delete the modules.dep, and try again |
| 10:56.56 | DerJamster | or actually, move it. |
| 10:56.59 | DerJamster | don't delete it. |
| 10:57.09 | Chris-NB | k |
| 10:57.30 | DerJamster | and yeah..it's some permissions that are making trouble, not the fact that the system is running or anything. |
| 10:57.35 | Chris-NB | dondelelcaro, /dev/hda1 on / type ext2 (rw) <- the underlaying file system |
| 10:58.16 | Chris-NB | DerJamster, ok. but I'm wondering why : / |
| 10:58.50 | Chris-NB | my main problem is, that the remote box is at another location and it's kind of an embedded system running on a CF Card : / |
| 10:59.27 | Chris-NB | and the runing linux is a bit ... small : ) |
| 11:00.33 | l3mr | is ext3 32/64bit safe? that is, can i mount the same data partition from a 64bit as well as 32bit deb without corruption? ( not at the same time, of course ) |
| 11:01.04 | SlayerXP | l3mr: yes. |
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| 11:01.28 | DerJamster | Chris-NB: ah..don't have experience with those, sorry :> |
| 11:01.34 | DerJamster | Did the moving and depmod work? |
| 11:01.42 | l3mr | SlayerXP: ok, thanks |
| 11:02.08 | Chris-NB | DerJamster, I'm on it, running the depmod command. that will last about 10 minits : / |
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| 11:06.19 | dpkg | '{{{eneloop}}}' is 97.460% lame, dimir |
| 11:06.24 | dimir | \o/ |
| 11:07.08 | freespace | !nickometer dimir |
| 11:07.09 | dpkg | 'dimir' is 0.000% lame, freespace |
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| 11:07.14 | freespace | it lies |
| 11:07.20 | freespace | :P |
| 11:07.24 | dimir | Seems fine to me. |
| 11:07.25 | dimir | :-P |
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| 11:09.34 | tarzeau | vlt: install it from packages.debian.org/lzma |
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| 11:11.27 | vlt | tarzeau: I'll try ... and ask if I fail ;-) |
| 11:11.43 | E-bola | Can soembody help me understand debians default config in /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/30_exim4-config_check_mail |
| 11:11.56 | E-bola | it looks like it accepts the message regardless of the criteria at the bottom? |
| 11:13.01 | war95 | E-bola: why not just switch to postfix |
| 11:13.04 | war95 | E-bola: much easier |
| 11:13.14 | war95 | E-bola: ltns btw ;) |
| 11:13.32 | E-bola | hehe indeed |
| 11:13.39 | E-bola | and why not switch? Because im running exim |
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| 11:14.09 | eap | E-bola: it accepts mail unless `HELO' is issued at the prompted |
| 11:14.27 | eap | E-bola: sorry invert that :) |
| 11:14.43 | petemc | war95: you think its useful to tell people to switch to postfix when they ask about exim? |
| 11:14.44 | eap | E-bola: s/unless/only if |
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| 11:16.00 | war95 | petemc: probably not but imo postfix is a much better mta |
| 11:16.09 | petemc | war95: how is it better? |
| 11:16.18 | petemc | in fact, how is it *much* better? |
| 11:16.34 | E-bola | eap: but then mail is accepted before any of the other checks? |
| 11:17.42 | petemc | war95: let me save you the bother of answering, its not - they're both fine MTAs in their own right, exim has greater flexibility than postfix, but as a consequence can be more complex |
| 11:17.50 | eap | E-bola: no, this runs @ the protocol level, think of this at the check that runs when you type 'helo mailserver' @ prompt ... (hope i got tat right.. kinda zzz now :) |
| 11:18.17 | E-bola | eap: ahh ok, so it just allows the smtp conversation to continue, the actual mail itself is not yet send? |
| 11:18.24 | eap | E-bola: bingo |
| 11:18.27 | E-bola | thanks |
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| 11:18.35 | eap | E-bola: welcome |
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| 11:19.30 | yassinework | hello everyone |
| 11:19.38 | E-bola | eap: i have enabled the remote receippient verification via local_rcpt_callout by using the acl in the default config |
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| 11:19.47 | yassinework | anyone of you guys have this before while trying to connect to vsftp : "cap_set_proc" "vsf_sysutil_recv_peek" ? |
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| 11:20.04 | E-bola | but i dont want to send back bounces, but just tell the sending smtp at smtp time that an error occured or similar, do you know how i can optain that behavior? |
| 11:20.05 | petemc | E-bola: exim4 -bhc 1.2.3.4 |
| 11:20.25 | petemc | E-bola: run through the smtp transaction, you'll see what its doing |
| 11:20.43 | petemc | E-bola: rejecting in the recipient acl should do that |
| 11:20.59 | tango_ | hello all. I have an interesting situation. I'm running a Debian unstable constantly kept up-to-date on a laptop (Dell Inspiron 8200). If I want to turn off the monitor, I have to options: either using 'xset dpms force off' under X, or using 'vbetool dpms off' in console. the interesting thing is that whereas the vbetool solution turns off the monitor backlight, the xset solution doesn't. I'm thinking about reporting this as an xo |
| 11:20.59 | tango_ | rg bug, but I'm not sure it's actually this ... ideas? |
| 11:21.24 | E-bola | petemc: atm sender gets a 550 user doesnt exist error back, along with a copy of the mail |
| 11:22.03 | petemc | E-bola: if you reject during the recipient acl, the mail hasnt been delivered yet, so theres nothing to "send back" |
| 11:22.12 | rosen37 | is there a solution to check the cangelog of a apcket using apt? |
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| 11:22.41 | E-bola | petemc: thats my problem, i thought that was what i was doing, but apparently it HAVE already been accepted |
| 11:22.53 | E-bola | and im having a hard time finding out where it gets accepted |
| 11:23.04 | petemc | see what i suggested above |
| 11:23.15 | E-bola | ya ile try to run it on an email instaid though |
| 11:23.24 | petemc | or /etc/init.d/exim4 stop && exim4 -d -bd |
| 11:23.30 | petemc | then send a mail |
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| 11:24.44 | yassinework | i get this error while trying to connect to my vsftp : *500 **OOPS*: *cap_set_proc* any ideas ? |
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| 11:27.45 | E-bola | ohh i see whats happening, the hubbed remote host gets the mail send before any checking |
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| 11:29.27 | E-bola | petemc: exim4 -bt user@domain is the way to debug delivery for a given mail address right? |
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| 11:32.39 | cast | man exim4 :/-b and -t |
| 11:33.14 | cast | oh, my bad, :/-bt, that's if you have less installed. can't remmeber if more searches :> |
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| 11:34.33 | kryptoz | Hi all |
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| 11:34.46 | CharminTheMoose | good mornin' all |
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| 11:34.57 | Zap-W | when a user logs in using LDAP directory does it also pick the user password from the Directory? |
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| 11:35.19 | E-bola | cast: thats for delivering though right? |
| 11:35.30 | E-bola | i need to test what happens when a mail is being received |
| 11:35.33 | infernix | argh, ipchains. what's the ipchains equivalent of 'iptables -L -t nat' again? |
| 11:35.36 | petemc | E-bola: -bt will test what exim will do with an address, yes |
| 11:35.56 | E-bola | ya it just sends it off to the remote hosts as expected |
| 11:36.03 | petemc | it wont test the acls |
| 11:36.11 | E-bola | how can i test the acl's? |
| 11:36.19 | petemc | see what i said earlier |
| 11:36.33 | E-bola | you told me how to test a sending ip? |
| 11:36.39 | petemc | yes |
| 11:36.58 | E-bola | but i want to test a specific senders email address |
| 11:37.36 | petemc | exim4 -bhc remote ip , then run through the smtp transaction - helo remote domain , mail from: foo@remotedomain |
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| 11:37.51 | E-bola | ohh ok, thought there where an automatic way of doing it |
| 11:38.06 | petemc | run exim in debug mode |
| 11:38.15 | petemc | is there any point me telling you anything, you dont listen |
| 11:38.39 | E-bola | i do, but its not practical to stop exim and rerun it in debug mode on this system unfortunately |
| 11:39.18 | E-bola | i wanted a 1 line shell command to get output what happens when a user from a specific email address sends a mail |
| 11:39.26 | E-bola | but nm, ile do it manualy with -bhc |
| 11:39.27 | petemc | i want an oompa loompa |
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| 11:41.08 | E-bola | hmm after saying helo |
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| 11:43.56 | CrazednDazed | How can I stop a process starting when the machine boots? (vsftpd) |
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| 11:44.14 | petemc | update-rc.d -f vsftpd remove |
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| 11:45.33 | lazkasome | hello |
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| 11:50.32 | DerJamster | DocTomoe: hmh. sure the module is enabled? did you use a2enmod? |
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| 11:52.56 | DocTomoe | DerJamster: I did a symlink manually |
| 11:53.04 | DocTomoe | DerJamster: And I restarted ... |
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| 11:53.49 | chuckkh | helloo, so what does "unable to lock the list directory" mean in response to apt-get update? |
| 11:54.00 | ajehals | Hi folks |
| 11:54.06 | ajehals | Im trying to identify the source of a rather terminal problem in a workstation runnning sarge. |
| 11:54.08 | chuckkh | I only have two lines uncommented in sources.list |
| 11:54.10 | ajehals | Symptoms are that memory is being used up and not freed - this continues until the system becomes unstable. |
| 11:54.16 | ajehals | ps aux indicates the X server as the culprit, however the sympptoms only started being presented after an installation of hibernate. |
| 11:54.20 | ajehals | hibernate has been removed and the issue persists. |
| 11:54.24 | ajehals | AFAIK the box is free from non official debian packages and is clean as far as rootkits are concerned. |
| 11:54.29 | ajehals | Im looking for nudge in the right direction as far as identifying / solving the issue is concerned, thanks |
| 11:54.33 | chuckkh | ajehals: sounds like you may be using MS Windows |
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| 11:54.48 | ajehals | chuckkh - Oh yeah thanks... :) |
| 11:54.58 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: memory is always used. Unused memory is wasted memory. |
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| 11:56.30 | ajehals | dondelelcaro : fair point - but as I said it appears to be locked by the X server until there is nothing available for anything else - although that doesnt seem right since its been stable for a long time andd hassnt been upgraded |
| 11:57.04 | DocTomoe | DerJamster: Jupp, module seems to be enabled (at least a2enmod says so ...). Any other ideas? |
| 11:57.05 | ajehals | The machine is oonly capable of staying up for about 8 hours, |
| 11:57.06 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: 1) what does free; output? 2) how much memory is X using? 3) what other things are you running? |
| 11:57.22 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: if it's only capable of running for 8 hours, you've got something serious going on. |
| 11:57.29 | dondelelcaro | (and it's likely not memory related.) |
| 11:57.54 | DerJamster | DocTomoe: hmh. not quite :> perhaps it's not properly entered as a mime type, or.. |
| 11:58.51 | ajehals | dondelelcaro : I didnt think so - first tthought was a rootkit or other user inspired badness, however there is no indication of this and the only software on board is from the co.ukk debian repositories |
| 11:59.09 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: it's more likely to be hardware, frankly. |
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| 11:59.28 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: but we're jumping the gun. You need to give us the output above before we can even see if it's doing something unusual. |
| 11:59.38 | ajehals | dondelelcaro : that would explain why I cant recreate the issue on other hardware... - |
| 11:59.43 | factory | Hey all. Fresh install of debian on my other box, I don't see the top and bottom pannels for gnome, though. |
| 11:59.53 | factory | Are they turned off by default? the system is quite old |
| 12:00.11 | dondelelcaro | root 11908 4.4 19.2 351124 199440 tty12 Ss+ Sep28 4921:37 \_ /usr/X11R6/bin/X <-- unless X is using way more memory than this, I wouldn't really worry. |
| 12:01.27 | ajehals | root 3129 18.9 27.0 285124 280032 tty7 S<s+ 11:38 4:15 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0 |
| 12:01.39 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's nothing. |
| 12:01.40 | ajehals | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.17 | ajehals | so thats only 24 mins into the cycle I am observing (I dont know where to start looking!!) |
| 12:02.49 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: give the output of free, and the entire ps axfu; output. use the paster bot to provide it. |
| 12:02.58 | ajehals | kk |
| 12:05.10 | chuckkh | only now it occurs to me I don't have to run apt-get update, I can just run apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 12:05.48 | ajehals | dondelelcaro : pasting that innfo into #flood now |
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| 12:06.32 | obstfliege | moin moin |
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| 12:06.59 | blondie1 | obstfliege: what about it? |
| 12:07.08 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: use one of the paste bots |
| 12:07.18 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
| 12:07.18 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 12:08.33 | dererk[work] | Morning :) |
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| 12:08.39 | beans | Hi all |
| 12:09.02 | beans | I have lost my root password I changed it the other day and for some reason its not working. Is there anyway of getting into the system? |
| 12:09.12 | dondelelcaro | beans: boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 12:09.12 | obstfliege | blondie1, moin moin means almost "hi" or "hello" |
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| 12:09.40 | beans | ok |
| 12:09.42 | blondie1 | obstfliege: no it's the name of a wiki |
| 12:09.50 | beans | so how do i go about doing that is it the boot settings? |
| 12:10.04 | obstfliege | blondie1, really? |
| 12:10.07 | ajehals | dondelelcaro : thats timing out on me - I'll try again in a little while - thanks tho |
| 12:10.12 | ajehals | ugh |
| 12:10.18 | blondie1 | http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ |
| 12:10.21 | blondie1 | yes really |
| 12:10.26 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: it works here; if it's timing out, something is wrong on your end... |
| 12:10.33 | ajehals | grand! |
| 12:10.51 | ajehals | gone through now... |
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| 12:11.16 | obstfliege | blondie, lol =) thats funny |
| 12:11.21 | beans | ah fuck |
| 12:11.23 | beans | setupid me |
| 12:11.27 | beans | stupid me |
| 12:11.33 | chuckkh | hi, got sshd installed now and running in Linux, Putty from Windows box still can't connect |
| 12:11.35 | beans | just logged into it via ssh |
| 12:11.42 | beans | iptables? |
| 12:12.09 | beans | i had already set a password on it just now :s that saves a trip down to the datacenter |
| 12:12.40 | beans | chuckkh is sshd running etc? |
| 12:13.01 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: nothing looks really unusual; just keep an eye on the free output. So long as the second line (which read -/+ buffers/cache: 425380 611292) final number doesn't go much below 100000, you're pefectly ok. |
| 12:13.11 | chuckkh | beans: yup |
| 12:13.20 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:13.20 | dpkg | well, qotd173 is <stoned> if i had big titties, I wouldn't be on irc | <stoned> i'd be playing with myself |
| 12:13.21 | beans | ok |
| 12:13.33 | dondelelcaro | ajehals: if the machine goes down or becomes unresponsive, then you've probably got some sort of hardware problem. I'd personally check your CPU temperature and/or memory temperature. |
| 12:13.34 | chuckkh | /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 12:13.37 | beans | what about pinging the box? from your windows box |
| 12:13.47 | chuckkh | that works, beans, 1 ms average |
| 12:13.54 | beans | ok |
| 12:14.08 | chuckkh | maybe sshd isn't configured? |
| 12:14.10 | beans | is it debian? |
| 12:14.15 | chuckkh | yeah |
| 12:14.22 | beans | ok |
| 12:14.30 | beans | apt-get install ssh? did you do that |
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| 12:14.44 | chuckkh | well ssh was already there, I did apt-get install openssh-server |
| 12:14.50 | beans | oh |
| 12:15.02 | chuckkh | just did apt-get ssh again |
| 12:15.11 | beans | you can just to apt-get install ssh and on the setup select sshd |
| 12:15.24 | chuckkh | setup? |
| 12:15.31 | beans | i've never installed openssh-server |
| 12:15.35 | beans | yeah it has a menu |
| 12:15.41 | chuckkh | realllllly |
| 12:15.42 | beans | when you install packages sometimes |
| 12:15.45 | chuckkh | oh |
| 12:16.04 | chuckkh | they told me to install openssh-server a little bit ago, it enabled me to use sshd |
| 12:16.40 | beans | dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 12:16.44 | chuckkh | ok |
| 12:16.57 | beans | never installed the openssh-server package |
| 12:16.59 | chuckkh | no gui, no options... |
| 12:17.12 | beans | sorry? |
| 12:17.29 | beans | dpkg-reconfigure ssh that will reconfig the package so you can select the sshd server |
| 12:17.43 | chuckkh | dpkg-reconfigure ssh just skipped to another prompt |
| 12:17.51 | beans | hm |
| 12:17.51 | beans | m |
| 12:17.53 | chuckkh | negative |
| 12:18.16 | beans | are you locally on the box? |
| 12:18.19 | chuckkh | yessir |
| 12:18.20 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 12:18.21 | beans | ofc you are :/ |
| 12:18.23 | beans | stupid me |
| 12:18.41 | beans | petemc i'm not sure thats working for him though ? |
| 12:18.59 | chuckkh | petemc: that just told me it restarted openbsd ssh server |
| 12:19.23 | petemc | lsof -i :22 |
| 12:19.36 | petemc | telnet from the windows box to port 22 of the linux box |
| 12:19.42 | beans | :/ |
| 12:19.44 | chuckkh | ok |
| 12:19.49 | beans | i'll brb driver updates |
| 12:19.51 | chuckkh | that output is interesting |
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| 12:19.56 | chuckkh | thanks beans |
| 12:20.02 | beans | heh |
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| 12:20.12 | chuckkh | think telnet will work better than putty ssh? |
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| 12:20.32 | petemc | you want to determine if you can connect to the ssh port |
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| 12:21.58 | chuckkh | could not open connection to the host, on port 22: connect failed |
| 12:22.55 | petemc | and ssh is running in the host? |
| 12:23.00 | chuckkh | sshd is |
| 12:23.09 | petemc | so something is blocking you |
| 12:23.28 | chuckkh | router |
| 12:23.28 | chuckkh | ? |
| 12:23.29 | ajehals | chuckkh : missed your earlier posts - are you on the same network as the target or are you going out over the net or other WAN? |
| 12:23.44 | chuckkh | same network, a Netgear wireless router |
| 12:23.56 | chuckkh | ping to the host works fine |
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| 12:24.08 | ajehals | what OS on the client? |
| 12:24.40 | petemc | chuckkh: are you running anything like norton firewall or some such? |
| 12:24.45 | chuckkh | WinXP, debian on host |
| 12:24.53 | ajehals | XP SP2? |
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| 12:24.59 | petemc | chuckkh: are you connecting from a wireless client to a wired host, or vice versa? |
| 12:25.07 | chuckkh | wireless client, wired host, yup |
| 12:25.12 | chuckkh | sry for not mentioning |
| 12:25.21 | chuckkh | macafee is running on the client |
| 12:25.23 | blahdeblah_ | For anyone who is interested, i finally got my G965 installed on etch. Details here: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397062 |
| 12:25.31 | petemc | chuckkh: disable mcafee |
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| 12:25.53 | beans | back |
| 12:25.59 | beans | any luck with your sshd thing? |
| 12:26.04 | chuckkh | not yet |
| 12:26.06 | petemc | some shitty access points firewall access between wireless and wired networks |
| 12:26.12 | beans | hmm |
| 12:26.28 | chuckkh | mcafee firewall disabled, same result |
| 12:26.36 | petemc | give it a minute... |
| 12:26.36 | beans | "shitty" being the choosen word lol |
| 12:26.42 | ajehals | XP built in firewall? |
| 12:27.05 | chuckkh | would not surprise me |
| 12:27.09 | ajehals | dont know if that plays with outgoing traffic or not these days |
| 12:27.17 | chuckkh | no, it's off |
| 12:27.36 | ajehals | hmm, you can ping the server? |
| 12:27.41 | chuckkh | yeah |
| 12:27.47 | ajehals | but you cannot telnet to port 22? |
| 12:27.53 | ajehals | nor ssh... |
| 12:27.55 | chuckkh | right |
| 12:28.17 | ajehals | what other services are running on thee target? web server ftp etc..? |
| 12:28.24 | chuckkh | and /usr/sbin/sshd is running |
| 12:28.27 | chuckkh | uhhh |
| 12:28.32 | tralala | chuckkh, iptables -F |
| 12:28.45 | tralala | and iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 12:29.50 | tralala | is sshd listening on the appropriate interface? Make sure it's not bound to the loopback only. |
| 12:30.27 | petemc | i would concentrate my efforts on the windows box/router , personally |
| 12:30.39 | tarzeau | why would i get these? identd: netlink_lookup: write failed: Connection refused |
| 12:30.44 | petemc | being confident that a default install of ssh on debian would do the right thing |
| 12:30.54 | ajehals | petemc - agree |
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| 12:31.53 | DerJamster | chuckkh: what Deb are you running btw.? |
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| 12:32.44 | tralala | first things first - it's easier to make sure the server is okay (firewall especially) than to struggle with windows |
| 12:33.44 | DerJamster | netstat -nlpt might be a good idea, too. |
| 12:34.15 | tralala | not to mention that the server is the only thing that's relevant here - if the problem is not there then the discussion is not for #debian |
| 12:34.18 | ajehals | can we confirm the topology as Client -> Wireless Access point (router?) -> server? |
| 12:34.42 | thegve | I've got a small "your experience" question. What are good S-ATA raid controllers with a good Debian Support? |
| 12:35.05 | tralala | my via controller is just fine - supported by sarge |
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| 12:35.34 | vlt | tarzeau: OMFG, the lzma process I started 3 hours ago is still running! That's now about 12 times longer than the gzipping took ... Don't know if bzip2 would have taken such a long time, too ... |
| 12:35.40 | thegve | tralala: Onboard? Or is it a card? |
| 12:35.59 | thegve | tralala: I know via mostly as a chipset company.. |
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| 12:36.17 | tarzeau | vlt: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/sizematters/ |
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| 12:36.31 | tralala | RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID (on board) |
| 12:36.36 | tarzeau | vlt: you need a faster machine. and you usually decompress more often than you compress. *I* wouldn't ever use bzip2 |
| 12:36.38 | iNToIT | sup? |
| 12:36.59 | tarzeau | but any idea if i can't do without CONFIG_IP_TCPDIAG in linux kernels for #305926 ? |
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| 12:38.38 | tralala | thegve, I have no idea if this controller could be found on cards but I'm happy with |
| 12:38.48 | tralala | it |
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| 12:40.00 | ajehals | dondelelcaro : Hi again - just a quick one - the output of free is showing the -/+ buffers/cache free value as half what it was when i posted initially - without any additional tasks being started, - Im going to start stopping unused services, (apache / mysql etc..) unless you think that woulld mmake it more difficult to identify any issue / misconfiguration on my part... |
| 12:40.02 | omry | I am trying to use ipmasq to make my server the network gateway. I installed it, and when I run it I get "Initializing IP Masquerading...iptables: No chain/target/match by that name", followed by a few lines like "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" , after that my connection is dead till I stop ipmasq. I built the kernel myself, could I be missing a module? |
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| 12:40.26 | DerJamster | ajehals: check top to see what's eating the mem |
| 12:40.47 | ajehals | DerJamster X apparently but it doesnt make sense |
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| 12:41.08 | ajehals | (not that it has to.. but its sarge!) |
| 12:41.24 | DerJamster | Xorg is what eats most on my system. |
| 12:41.47 | ajehals | Ive never seen it climb until a reboot is reequired - even without use.. |
| 12:41.55 | DerJamster | 54424 virt, 27m res, 1512 code, 20m data, 7552 shr |
| 12:42.23 | ajehals | and not without some sort of related change on the OS |
| 12:42.27 | tralala | ajehals, do you have big fancy backgrounds, different on every virtual desktop? |
| 12:42.34 | ajehals | tralala mope |
| 12:42.38 | ajehals | *nope |
| 12:42.43 | DerJamster | rebooting should not be required. a mere shutting down and restart of X should do it. |
| 12:43.06 | tralala | ajehals, so X is eating up memory without the computer being used at all? |
| 12:43.08 | vlt | tarzeau: :-) It's a (2x) 2GHz machine with 2GB of RAM. And the resulting .lzma file is now at 80 % of the .gz file with al its AA AA AA AA blocks. |
| 12:43.20 | ajehals | DerJamster - iit does but the box gets so unresponsive I cant even get an alternate TTY |
| 12:43.27 | DerJamster | okaaay... |
| 12:43.30 | DerJamster | chheck the CPU usage |
| 12:43.40 | DerJamster | what's on top? |
| 12:43.43 | ajehals | nil or near nil - |
| 12:43.51 | LLcoolM | btw, my mainboard seems to support only 256SDR in case it is double-sided. can i force linux to override memory detection and use the full 256MB of a single sided ram? |
| 12:44.11 | sparr | I have an epson CX-5400 scanner(/printer/copier). SANE's website says its supported. ive got all the sane packages installed. sane-find-scanner sees it. but xsane and scanimage both cant see it. help? |
| 12:44.35 | ajehals | DerJamster xorg shows anything from 1% to 9% usage |
| 12:44.39 | DerJamster | ajehals: then it shouldn't become that unresponsive. hmh. |
| 12:44.44 | DerJamster | what's the overall cpu usage? |
| 12:44.47 | ajehals | 9% on mouse wiggle :) |
| 12:45.06 | ajehals | hold on |
| 12:45.09 | DerJamster | ajehals: what kind of machine is it btw? |
| 12:45.17 | tarzeau | vlt: i wonder how much you'll save |
| 12:45.21 | tralala | ajehals, do you have a fast forking process? Once I had my machine becomming non responsive when the email key (launching kmail) was accidentaly held down on my multimedia keyboard. Yeah, I know I have to configure my launch scripts better. |
| 12:45.30 | ajehals-lappy | DerJamster - just switching to this machine |
| 12:45.38 | vlt | tarzeau: maybe I cann tell this evening ;-) |
| 12:45.43 | DerJamster | ajehals-lappy: ah. okay. what kind of machine is the Xorg running on? |
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| 12:46.03 | ajehals-lappy | its a custom built box - AMD 2600+ with 1G Ram |
| 12:46.16 | ajehals-lappy | xinerama enabled - but the issue started... |
| 12:46.26 | ajehals-lappy | after an install of hibernate - |
| 12:46.26 | vlt | tarzeau: i just started a second process that's doing the same with bzip2 to see the difference. |
| 12:46.38 | ajehals-lappy | which has since been purged after the issue became apparent |
| 12:47.05 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, anything in dmesg or syslog? |
| 12:47.05 | ajehals-lappy | box has been good for about a long while with the current config |
| 12:47.29 | tarzeau | vlt: did you look at the stats url i gave you? |
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| 12:48.07 | vlt | tarzeau: briefly |
| 12:48.09 | DerJamster | ajehals-lappy: my X jumps to..well, 1% if I really wiggle my mouse. And I'm not sure the mouse causes it :> |
| 12:48.11 | ajehals-lappy | tralala :last entry in dmesg is boot related - |
| 12:48.22 | DerJamster | ajehals-lappy: amd 2000+ |
| 12:48.25 | ajehals-lappy | IPv6 over IPv4 |
| 12:48.51 | ajehals-lappy | DerJamster - As I said this box has been running well for a long time - hence my appearance here! |
| 12:49.07 | DerJamster | hmhm. |
| 12:49.35 | ajehals-lappy | free down to 102000 |
| 12:49.37 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, syslog? Is this behaviour persistent over reboots? |
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| 12:49.43 | ubox__ | hey all |
| 12:50.11 | DerJamster | something's leaking alright. |
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| 12:50.18 | ajehals-lappy | tralala it is persistant and only present when booting sarge - swithced and booted with a Dev HDD (etch) and all is well |
| 12:50.35 | DerJamster | did you run an apt-get update recenty? |
| 12:50.40 | DerJamster | l |
| 12:50.44 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, does your pstree look alright? |
| 12:50.55 | vlt | tarzeau: Aah, the "Compr. MB/s" column. bzip2: 0.6, 7zip: 0.4. Didn't you say lzma was faster than bzip2? |
| 12:51.03 | ajehals-lappy | DerJamster : I apply patches weekly - everything from debian.co.uk... |
| 12:51.08 | solemnwarning | Can anyone help me with an Xfree issue? |
| 12:51.16 | DerJamster | solemnwarning: just ask the question. :> |
| 12:51.28 | ajehals-lappy | pstree looks about how I would expect |
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| 12:51.36 | ubox__ | hey all |
| 12:51.38 | tralala | solemnwarning, you'll never know if you dont ask the real question. |
| 12:51.38 | solemnwarning | I have a remote on my TV card which registers as a keyboard, and all buttons trigger output from /dev/input/event2 |
| 12:51.56 | solemnwarning | But X ignores some of the buttons, even though Linux is getting them |
| 12:52.04 | tarzeau | vlt: yes, uncompressing |
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| 12:52.14 | ubox__ | m tryin to setup postfix for local mail transfer |
| 12:52.17 | ajehals-lappy | tralala - the box is all official debian - and Ive looked for anything rootkit related to no avail.... |
| 12:52.22 | tarzeau | vlt: besides compared by save in bytes. lzma does 20% better than bzip2 |
| 12:52.25 | ajehals-lappy | rootkit / other code... |
| 12:52.58 | ubox__ | i configured main.cf but when tried to start postfix again its gives me the following error |
| 12:53.17 | ubox__ | postfix integrity check failed! |
| 12:53.53 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, good - no rootkit. How about a process started a million times by mistake? Does your pstree look alright? Anything in syslog? Anything in X logs? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 12:54.26 | anuragJ | dpkg, set up x |
| 12:54.26 | dpkg | methinks set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 12:54.34 | ubox__ | to be precise->postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory defer: Permission denied |
| 12:54.34 | ubox__ | postfix/postfix-script: fatal: Postfix integrity check failed! |
| 12:54.43 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 12:54.58 | ajehals-lappy | nothing in any log that looks susoicious, - I went through the lot, no processes respawning and failing, |
| 12:55.17 | ajehals-lappy | the only thing that has changed is an install and removel of hibernate |
| 12:55.26 | ajehals-lappy | *removal |
| 12:55.36 | anuragJ | I'm bit confused ..xfree or xorg |
| 12:56.14 | tralala | anuragJ, running sarge? |
| 12:56.24 | anuragJ | yeah |
| 12:56.27 | tralala | xfree |
| 12:56.30 | vlt | tarzeau: Maybe you're right with saved space. There hasn't been any output of lzma for over 30 minutes now. (I'm compressing a file system, so I think we've now reached the unused blocks that were saved as long rows of AA AA AA by gzip ...). |
| 12:56.37 | anuragJ | thanks |
| 12:57.05 | solemnwarning | Does anyone know why X might ignore some buttons? |
| 12:57.35 | anuragJ | dpkg, gnome |
| 12:57.35 | dpkg | gnome is, like, a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 12:57.43 | anuragJ | dpkg, set up gnome |
| 12:57.49 | anuragJ | umm |
| 12:58.41 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, and the X is actually eating up all the memory? |
| 12:58.53 | ajehals-lappy | apparently |
| 12:59.28 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, have you changed the video drivers? |
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| 12:59.34 | tralala | anuragJ, msg the bot |
| 12:59.35 | ajehals-lappy | no |
| 13:00.27 | ajehals-lappy | tralala : Im multimonitor, with 1x Matrox card and an ATI card - so performance has never been great, but there has been no change. |
| 13:00.33 | anuragJ | trajanux, /msg who.. |
| 13:00.46 | tralala | anuragJ, dpkg |
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| 13:01.12 | anuragJ | already I'm upto, thanks |
| 13:03.28 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, amazing. Does this happen after a suspend/resume cycle or all the time? |
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| 13:04.07 | MasterRa | anyone know what package phpsize might be in? (googling seems to show it should be in php5-dev, but.. it doesn't seem to be).. is there a phpsize for Debian? (i need it to compile eAccelerator, which.. doesn't seem to be in debian :-|) |
| 13:04.33 | ajehals-lappy | tralala : well it happens all the time, although it seems to be happening faster now - fyi cpu temp is 54degrees so that looks OK too, I dont see what the hell is going on. |
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| 13:05.32 | ajehals-lappy | Im going to drop all non used apps and services and get just start X without a UI, see what happens then...... |
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| 13:06.17 | ajehals-lappy | killing X frees up the whole lot - from 89000 to 1014244... |
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| 13:07.34 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, sounds like a nasty X memory leak I though one has to wonder what triggers it |
| 13:08.02 | ajehals-lappy | started X (xinit) no WM or DE and I am seeing roughly the same issue, memory consumpion increasing in a linear fashion about 1M every 3 minutes. |
| 13:08.05 | CrazednDazed | What can I use to see what process is using what port? (thttpd, vsftpd, etc.) |
| 13:08.12 | kdean06 | Forgive my memory lapse, but what is the purpose of contrib? |
| 13:08.26 | jelly | ajehals-lappy: sounds like a case for ... #xorg |
| 13:08.38 | ajehals-lappy | jelly : great, I'll be popular. |
| 13:08.55 | tralala | ajehals-lappy, is this xorg? Aren't you running sarge? |
| 13:09.01 | ajehals-lappy | its xfree |
| 13:09.05 | jelly | oh |
| 13:09.06 | streuner_ | ajehals-lappy: netstat |
| 13:09.18 | streuner_ | CrazednDazed: netstat |
| 13:09.25 | streuner_ | ajehals-lappy: typo, sorry |
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| 13:09.54 | jelly | !contrib |
| 13:09.54 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 13:10.15 | kdean06 | Thank you jelly |
| 13:10.45 | streuner_ | !kill tralala |
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| 13:10.57 | jelly | kdean06: you can ask the bot about all sorts of keywords using /msg dpkg something |
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| 13:11.47 | wookienz | why cant i access my webserver on www.mydomain.com/foo but i can on www.mydomain.com, the .foo has a valid web page as i can access locall on my network, just not externally |
| 13:12.17 | blondie1 | .foo != /foo |
| 13:12.28 | blondie1 | that sounds like an apache question though |
| 13:12.32 | tralala | !blondie1++ |
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| 13:12.40 | streuner_ | what those people told you about? |
| 13:12.47 | streuner_ | in #apache |
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| 13:14.51 | kryptoz | atlast i got debian on my office desk |
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| 13:15.31 | ajehals-lappy | For interest purposes - I am binning my xserver and reinstalling... |
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| 13:19.11 | kryptoz | Hey anyone faced issue with ati card and Xfree86 ? |
| 13:19.40 | gcbirzan | Yes. |
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| 13:20.14 | ajehals-lappy | kryptoz - currently :) |
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| 13:24.37 | ajehals-lappy | - Everyone who has been helpful - thanks - just replaced xfree86 with xorg, problem disappears, - not going to follow it up att. |
| 13:25.22 | ajehals-lappy | probably should when I have more time - but then I am using rather old graphics cards and a slightly obscure combo so it can wait... |
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| 13:31.51 | vlt | tarzeau: FYI After 62 minutes the bzip2 process just got ahead of the 235 minutes lzma process (input data) |
| 13:32.14 | tarzeau | vlt: and waht about the sizes? |
| 13:32.20 | tarzeau | vlt: and uncompression times? |
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| 13:33.44 | vlt | tarzeau: bzip2 image is now 112 % of .lzma. Didn't check uncompression yet ... |
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| 13:37.16 | mrec | does anyone know an application like the good old scandisk tool that shows up where about the uncorrectable errors are on a disk? |
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| 13:39.04 | sep | mrec, badblocks, but it's usualy pointless, modern disks hide errors by remapping blocks long time before the OS detects it. if eth disk have exhausted all spare blocks you start noticing it in the OS. so i'ts a strong hint that you better replace it since it's been severly degraded already |
| 13:39.25 | sep | mrec, and you usualy dont run badblocks directly, but by using the -C flag to mkfs |
| 13:40.09 | mrec | I know badblocks but I'd like to list the existing bad blocks on my notebook disk |
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| 13:41.45 | ajehals-lappy | Might be offtopic - but does anyone know if there is still active development of the intimate (debian on ipaq) project or if everything is geared toward familiar now? |
| 13:41.54 | vlt | tarzeau: FYI The .bz file's size will soon that of the .gz file. (wtf?) |
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| 13:42.10 | tarzeau | vlt: have you run www.linuks.mine.nu/ch/ on your data yet? |
| 13:42.54 | tralala | mrec, isn't it exactly what badblocks does? |
| 13:43.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what will that do to the data? |
| 13:43.31 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: read it, and plot a graph |
| 13:43.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: character histogram |
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| 13:43.44 | mrec | tralala: I think I remember having fucked up my disk with badblock a few years ago so it does something else too |
| 13:44.02 | mrec | the manpage doesn't state out that it can list badblocks only.. |
| 13:44.18 | vlt | tarzeau: What is it? (ch) |
| 13:44.40 | tarzeau | vlt: see the screenshots |
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| 13:45.30 | vlt | tarzeau: something about compressability? |
| 13:45.58 | tralala | mrec, if the disk is dying badblocks could help finalizing the process but so would any other surface testing/disk using tool. What does the manpage state it lists instead? |
| 13:47.07 | tarzeau | vlt: i can't say yes, but then i can't say no either |
| 13:47.33 | mrec | tralala: alot stuff I'm not looking for |
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| 13:48.19 | ajehals-lappy | Anyone know of any software already written / or started an no longer maintained that allows the remote management of dpkg / apt on multiple machines, preferably policy based? (or do we have to write one from scratch.. - not that thats a problem just dont like duplication ) |
| 13:49.17 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: we use dphys-admin |
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| 13:49.32 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/dphys-admin/ |
| 13:49.33 | tralala | mrec, I happend to run badblocks a couple of days ago and it listed only the bad blocks of the disk |
| 13:49.43 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: it's only useful for stable installations imho |
| 13:49.52 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: best with dphys-config |
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| 13:54.18 | ajehals-lappy | tarzeau - just looking - that looks like a good start, does about 80% of what I was thinking, will have a look at the source and see if its extendable. ta |
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| 13:55.17 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: cool, i'd be glad to hear what the other 20% would be |
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| 13:55.34 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: how many computers do we talk about? if you check the webpage and nic.phys.ethz.ch you'll find more information about it |
| 13:55.59 | silvertab | hi there! quick question...I didnt pay attention when I downloaded the debian isos and got the sarge(stable) release when I wanted the etch one...my question is...on a fresh sarge install, should I be able to upgrade to etch via apt without too many conflicts/problems? |
| 13:56.00 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: i wasn't sure if i should get dphys-admin into debian since it's only useful for stable... |
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| 13:56.27 | silvertab | thank god...it was eigter that or another 10gb+ download :) |
| 13:56.39 | tarzeau | silvertab: wait, you downloaded ALL ISOS? |
| 13:56.45 | silvertab | the 2 dvd |
| 13:56.53 | tarzeau | oh well |
| 13:56.55 | silvertab | I have a pretty fast connection so its no big deal... |
| 13:56.56 | blondie1 | silvertab: netinstall is a better way |
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| 13:57.06 | silvertab | I have a wireless usb dongle |
| 13:57.08 | Studiosus | I got direct rendering: No on etch/nvidia with all steps from http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers done. Can anyone suggest what may I have done wrong? |
| 13:57.11 | tarzeau | silvertab: THAT is a reason to not get all the crap |
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| 13:57.26 | tarzeau | silvertab: i suppose you're new to debian |
| 13:57.42 | ajehals-lappy | Im looking now - I'd be looking to provide an easy to use UI for it, (needed for most of the guys we support sadly) and then group clients by class etc, - on demand software installation and patch management |
| 13:57.43 | silvertab | hehe yeah I know but there's no way I can get a wired connection up here...and I thought netinstall wouldnt work with a wireless usb |
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| 13:58.00 | wookienz | hi, if want to have a mail server so i need a seperate smtp program or will sendmail etc do it for me? |
| 13:58.12 | ajehals-lappy | tarzeau : sorry my previous was aimed at you - possibly not that clear now that I have posted it |
| 13:58.31 | silvertab | perhaps I couldve downloaded the minimal cd, install ndiswrapper etc.. and go from there... |
| 13:58.51 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: there's also FAI and cfengine2 |
| 13:59.45 | ajehals-lappy | Ive seen FAI - but Im looking for maintainance rather than deployment - unless FAI has changed since I last looked... |
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| 14:01.32 | ajehals-lappy | tarzeau : cfengine looks like something we wrote a while back - although probably more complex - thatas what I am looking to extend, - thanks for both hints, |
| 14:01.52 | silvertab | mmm just realised the "Get debian" page mention the net install is doable via wireless...well I guess I shouldve read better |
| 14:02.27 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: also look at dphys-config |
| 14:02.41 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: i really like it, it's very flexible. i haven't looked at cfengine though |
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| 14:03.30 | eps | w00t |
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| 14:03.40 | eps | find that server! may favourite game |
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| 14:05.08 | El|V\oNKo | hello |
| 14:05.22 | ajehals-lappy | tarzeau : I'll look at the whole lot over the next week, if anything comes of it or we produce anything useful I'll let you know - were doing this for a few people so it will become public (unlike some of the other stuff we write - GPL but on the clients behalf - hence it never leaves their grasp...) |
| 14:05.24 | wookienz | whats the difference between fetchmail and exim? |
| 14:05.41 | tarzeau | ajehals-lappy: ok |
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| 14:08.12 | netgod | wookienz: exim stores and transfers mail; fetchmail forcibly pulls mail from a remote box (possibly running exim) that thinks it has already made the final delivery, and secretly reposts the mail to the local exim |
| 14:08.26 | sep | aargfhhh evolution have been infected with the most horrible outlook plauge the "work offline" crap |
| 14:08.54 | eps | sep if you say that you have yet to encounter the average business manager |
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| 14:09.40 | sep | eps, it still dosn't need to silently swap to offline mode on every pop3 glitch. |
| 14:10.33 | sep | a button where you could click "offline mode" on the send/recive window would be ok. atlest you knew you had turned it into that mode |
| 14:10.38 | wookienz | netgod, so if i want my linux box at home to pull off the mail for me from different ISps and then for me to grab it off that said box either locally or via webmail around the world will exim do that job, is exim all i need? |
| 14:11.24 | netgod | wookienz: you need both, they work as a team |
| 14:11.27 | sep | wookienz, if the isp's provide you with pop3 accounts you want fetchmail |
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| 14:11.50 | netgod | wookienz: actually any MTA would do; exim is just a typical easy default |
| 14:12.18 | bowman | heya. problem: I need to install debian stable on a server with an Intel ICH8R SATA RAID controller - the stable distribution setup cd doesn't recognize the RAID controller - what can I do? |
| 14:12.52 | wookienz | ok so i can set up exim to gret the mail and then use some thing like squirrel mail to use as a web client outside my local network, likewise inside my local network i can use a M$ product to grab the mail off the linux server??? |
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| 14:13.19 | sep | bowman, if you know what you are doing. install the testing version it will become stable soonish. if you dont know you can wait for it to release or install using the backported sarge installer with 2.6.17 kernel |
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| 14:13.44 | netgod | wookienz: short answer: yes |
| 14:13.54 | bowman | sep: waiting is not an option - I have to be finished in 3 hours :) |
| 14:14.00 | bowman | sep: where do I get the backported installer? |
| 14:14.06 | sep | wookienz, exim wont get the mail, it will recive it if your isp's relay it for you. if the mail sit at a box at your isp, youll need fetchmail. |
| 14:14.07 | sep | !sarge 2.6.17 |
| 14:14.11 | netgod | wookienz: technically theres another piece in this puzzle, the "pop3 daemon" that you have to install -- isn't modularity great? |
| 14:14.13 | sep | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 14:14.13 | dpkg | methinks sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
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| 14:16.15 | wookienz | netgod, ok thanks,.,.. so a pop3 daemon, fethcmail, exim, squirellmail. will one of those act as an smtp server? |
| 14:16.30 | sep | wookienz, exim is the smtp client/server |
| 14:16.34 | netgod | wookienz: exim is the MTA |
| 14:16.46 | wookienz | aha |
| 14:16.49 | bowman | sep: thx :) |
| 14:17.10 | sep | bowman, keep in mind you might have to load the module for the sata card manually in tty2 before the installer will detect it |
| 14:17.24 | bowman | sep: yeah, will try :) |
| 14:17.27 | war95 | bowman: good luck with that :x |
| 14:17.37 | bowman | war95: heh :) |
| 14:17.39 | sep | bowman, youll notice if it say no disks., then you can load modules and ertry that step |
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| 14:18.29 | sep | wookienz, if you want squirelmail then youll need a imap deamon for it to connect to |
| 14:18.49 | sep | wookienz, and do try out roundcube in addition to squirrelmail it's very nice. |
| 14:18.57 | netgod | im sure apt will point that out |
| 14:19.05 | yure | sep roundcube works well? |
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| 14:19.40 | sep | yure, iam running it in addition to squirrel, for testing. it looks veery smooth. |
| 14:19.55 | netgod | sep: whats it written in? |
| 14:19.56 | sep | lacks a bit in features. but it does mail well |
| 14:20.03 | yure | sep i thought it's still "beta quality" although the demo I saw looks great |
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| 14:20.33 | yure | it's a great project BTW, too bad the development doesn't seem to go quite as fast as I would like :) |
| 14:20.34 | sep | yure, it is. but it's working well. and a impressive package |
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| 14:21.07 | sep | yure, to few developers io guess. it's the do or die of OSS projects |
| 14:21.21 | yure | yep. |
| 14:21.37 | sep | netgod, php AJA(-X) style |
| 14:21.48 | yure | it's a lot better than openwebmail which i never liked |
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| 14:22.20 | sep | so i run squirrel roundcube towards the same impa server. |
| 14:22.36 | sep | imap |
| 14:22.47 | netgod | ill hafta check it out |
| 14:22.52 | netgod | whats your IMAP server of choice? |
| 14:23.00 | sep | http://www.roundcube.net/?p=demo |
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| 14:23.09 | sep | it's sometimes dead slow becouse of load tho |
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| 14:23.23 | sep | but its very speedy here on my install |
| 14:24.04 | sep | netgod, im using courier-imap, but i hear a lot of good stuff about dovecot |
| 14:25.37 | netgod | cool tnx |
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| 14:27.32 | solemnwarning | This is odd |
| 14:27.36 | bokey | sep, nice. =) |
| 14:27.49 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to get a TV remote that registers as a keyboard setup |
| 14:27.58 | solemnwarning | Most of tthe buttons work, but a few act strange |
| 14:28.31 | solemnwarning | Some of them trigger output from event2, and have a keycode according to `scancode` |
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| 14:28.41 | solemnwarning | But these strange buttons don't show up in `scancode -s` or in X11 |
| 14:28.56 | wookienz | sep looks good, grabbed it already! |
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| 14:30.04 | sep | like that you can doubleclick and drag and drop mail and the nice address grabber, but it lacks a plugin part since i usualy need some custom things too |
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| 14:30.14 | solemnwarning | How can these buttons have a keycode but not have a scancode? |
| 14:30.40 | [TeSeO] | hello there. I'm having a troble anybody here would help me? |
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| 14:31.09 | sep | !tell [TeSeO] about ask |
| 14:31.09 | lindenle | !ask |
| 14:31.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:32.00 | solemnwarning | Are there any programs I can use to get scancodes from event devices? |
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| 14:35.56 | [TeSeO] | I have a problem with my system. I'm running debian version 2.6.16.20-060620b (root@buildd-amd64) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)). By mistake i did "rm *" under root when i was in "/". Now i cant run any comand, i just get "no such file or directory" when i try them. Eg: I type "ls" and i get "-bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory". They are all -bash messages. I have my system in diferent partitions. Is an external ser |
| 14:35.56 | [TeSeO] | ver in germany. My data is kept in /home which is in different partition than /. Would i be able to get the system or those files back in a recovery mode? or just any other thing i could do? Thank you very much |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | restore from backup |
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| 14:37.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: @work? |
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| 14:38.54 | [TeSeO] | actually i think is just that i deleted the files it was in /. THe sub folders are kept. How can i know or get or restore or create them again. I cant even have ssh access. I got this "/bin/bash: No such file or directory" |
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| 14:39.08 | solemnwarning | I have a TV remote that acts like a keyboard, according to showkey it has keycodes on all buttons but not all have scancodes, how the hell does this make sense and how can I fix it? |
| 14:39.40 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: still? |
| 14:39.53 | solemnwarning | tarzeau: Still no luck, nope :( |
| 14:39.55 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: what about you get the source of whatever software processes the input? and print it before procession? |
| 14:40.09 | solemnwarning | Huh? |
| 14:40.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: uh ..y es |
| 14:40.28 | solemnwarning | I could cat /dev/input/event2 I guess, but thats not human readable |
| 14:40.28 | abrotman | [TeSeO]: echo * |
| 14:40.35 | tarzeau | solemnwarning: oh wait, it's like a keyboard but in form of a remote |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | [TeSeO]: see anything ? |
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| 14:42.26 | [TeSeO] | i have no ssh access anymore. The only way to get to the server is load a recovery system which have access to my server and mount the folders and system manually. My worries is that the websites are working fine and can do sql querys and stuff. I'm scared if i restart the server in recovery mode, not be able to make it run again and loose the data. |
| 14:42.37 | [TeSeO] | i have no ssh access anymore. The only way to get to the server is load a recovery system which have access to my server and mount the folders and system manually. My worries is that the websites are working fine and can do sql querys and stuff. I'm scared if i restart the server in recovery mode, not be able to make it run again and loose the data. |
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| 14:44.30 | sep | [TeSeO], you should backup your data then |
| 14:44.35 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 14:44.47 | solemnwarning | How can the buttons have keycodes but no scancodes? |
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| 14:47.12 | bintut | anyone here running qemu on etch? |
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| 14:49.06 | tarzeau | bintut: i run it on sid. which arch? |
| 14:49.59 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you run with kqemu? |
| 14:50.06 | abrotman | grmlast: bootloader ? |
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| 14:50.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no way! |
| 14:50.24 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: why not? |
| 14:50.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its faster |
| 14:50.35 | abrotman | it's non-free |
| 14:50.43 | jharrisonwk | yes I know |
| 14:50.45 | jharrisonwk | but its faster |
| 14:50.45 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: dpkg -l | grep "kde\|gnome" returns nothing |
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| 14:51.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ? |
| 14:51.04 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: why do i need a crap gui, when i'm faster typing qemu whatever than kqemu to start? |
| 14:51.05 | khaleel5000 | I cannot SU into my debian etch system i type SU (enter teh CORRECT password but ) it says AUthentication failure (i am the sole user and the root user of this system , i have the root password and sole rooot access too) |
| 14:51.12 | grmlast | why would that change sda1? i thought the boot loader went somewhere in the first 63 sectors? [sda1 starts at 63] |
| 14:51.18 | khaleel5000 | it happens with only those installs of debian , in whithc i first install just the BASE system , then via apt-get install kde and other stuff |
| 14:51.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: kqemu is a kernel module |
| 14:51.20 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: oh wait you don't mean kde qemu, you mean the kernel qemu? |
| 14:51.29 | khaleel5000 | those debain etch systems that I install with BASE system and Desktop , it fine (i mean can SUCCESSFULLY su ) tried reinstalling CLI based ones 4~ times , no success , googled , asked a lot about it for 2 weeks no success |
| 14:51.33 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: kqemu is a kernel module that makes qemu run almost native speed |
| 14:51.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's not in debian |
| 14:51.38 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: is it in debian? |
| 14:51.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yes |
| 14:51.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: where? |
| 14:51.52 | khaleel5000 | the root passwd that I am typing is correct (coz i am logged in tty1 as root ) |
| 14:51.52 | abrotman | !find kqemu etch |
| 14:51.54 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: apt-cache search kqemu |
| 14:51.54 | grmlast | i'm dding the first 21meg of /dev/sda back to its state previous to windows install [yay for risky things] |
| 14:51.57 | khaleel5000 | tried CHANIGN the root passwd |
| 14:52.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: returns nothing on sid |
| 14:52.08 | h3sp4wn | !find kqemu-source etch |
| 14:52.09 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i mean, MAIN |
| 14:52.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: afaik .. it's not in debian |
| 14:52.10 | dpkg | kqemu-source: (Source for the QEMU Accelerator module), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 1.3.0~pre9-3 (etch), Packaged size: 128 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
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| 14:52.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'kqemu' (1): (/usr/src/kqemu.tar.bz2, /usr/share/doc/kqemu-source/kqemu-doc.html) in non-free/misc/kqemu-source. |
| 14:52.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: i know |
| 14:52.17 | abrotman | eww .. non-free! |
| 14:52.21 | bintut | tarzeau: i'm running debian etch on amd64.. i apt-get'ed qemu and when trying to run this command: |
| 14:52.24 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: we have vmware here @work. |
| 14:52.35 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: how do you think it performs? |
| 14:52.38 | bintut | $ qemu-system-sparc -cdrom debian-testing-sparc-binary-1.iso -hda debsparc.img -boot d -k en-us -localtime |
| 14:53.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: kqemu wont work for me on 2.6.19 kernel |
| 14:53.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: sucks |
| 14:53.17 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: qemu on the fast computers we have? fast enough for me, i just need it to test the http://LIVECD.GNUSTEP.ORG/ |
| 14:53.17 | minerale | If someone adds `vim` as a locally compiled file, add it to their path, and they type vim; ps will show they are running vim, albeit not where it's running, any way to find that out ? |
| 14:53.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: tried 2.6.19.1 yet? |
| 14:53.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I need speed |
| 14:53.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no |
| 14:53.18 | abrotman | if you want to see qemu crawl .. load up elive :) |
| 14:53.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: too lazy |
| 14:53.30 | jharrisonwk | you guys heard of kvm? |
| 14:53.31 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: i need LSD |
| 14:53.35 | jharrisonwk | kvm == kernel virtual machine |
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| 14:53.43 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: thought you got LSD |
| 14:53.46 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: you need to try dopewars |
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| 14:53.56 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I have made billions already in dopewars |
| 14:53.57 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: more |
| 14:54.04 | bintut | tarzeau: were you able to read my message? |
| 14:54.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: had to create new weapons though |
| 14:54.15 | abrotman | minerale: `which vim` |
| 14:54.15 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: and customize it for where I live |
| 14:54.16 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: tried kexec? |
| 14:54.17 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 14:54.22 | tarzeau | bintut: yes, never needed the sparc part of it |
| 14:54.23 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: no |
| 14:54.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: not sure what kexec is |
| 14:54.31 | tarzeau | bintut: checked BTS? |
| 14:54.38 | abrotman | bintut: find it with apt-file |
| 14:54.40 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: kernel exec |
| 14:54.54 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ah I have heard of it but never used it |
| 14:54.58 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: what does it do? |
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| 14:55.13 | LLcoolM | can udev set permissions for a directory in /dev ? |
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| 14:55.17 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: execute a kernel? |
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| 14:55.26 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ah |
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| 14:55.52 | minerale | abrotman: that tells me where vim would run if I were to type the command, I'd like to see what binaries are being executed |
| 14:55.56 | bintut | abrotman: i don't have an apt-file command |
| 14:56.02 | bintut | tarzeau: what's bts? |
| 14:56.05 | tarzeau | !BTS |
| 14:56.05 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:56.09 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 14:56.09 | dpkg | i heard qotd78 is <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
| 14:56.13 | abrotman | minerale: the same ? |
| 14:56.27 | abrotman | bintut: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <blah> |
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| 14:56.42 | grmlast | lol @ BiZARRE |
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| 14:57.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: merry christmas |
| 14:57.38 | abrotman | hi! |
| 14:57.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you have a tree? |
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| 14:57.50 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. no tree ... |
| 14:58.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: pets? |
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| 14:59.15 | minerale | abrotman: if someone were to rename a binary, place it in their path, and then type `vim` -- I'd like to know which binary is being run, not just the name |
| 14:59.18 | abrotman | no .. i don't have pets |
| 14:59.32 | abrotman | minerale: so you want 'ps' to show you the full path ? |
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| 15:00.03 | grmlast | now that's really weird, i dd'd the first 21megs of sda back, but whatever changed in /dev/sda1 wasn't in the first 21 megs :\ |
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| 15:00.48 | minerale | abrotman: yeah |
| 15:01.02 | abrotman | nothing in the ps man page ? |
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| 15:02.13 | grmlast | oh. i found it. grml touched it -_- |
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| 15:03.17 | abrotman | mucking with options .. -wfau seems to do it .. though i'm not sure which actually triggered it |
| 15:03.17 | abrotman | yay for random letters |
| 15:03.33 | AndrewB | Can sum1 help, on debian etch. I can log in as root [in a vt] but for some reason can not su |
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| 15:04.55 | abrotman | errors are useful |
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| 15:05.49 | AndrewB | abrotman: AUthentication failure |
| 15:05.54 | grmlast | AndrewB: i blame hackers personally |
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| 15:06.28 | AndrewB | grmlast: They would remove root from the passwd file... |
| 15:06.56 | andrewtaylor_ | what tools can i use to find out what components are in my pc, type of hard-drives, quantity, size, networkcard etc ? |
| 15:07.04 | grmlast | or maybe they'd screw with pam :> |
| 15:07.26 | petemc | AndrewB: you're trying to su with the root password or your own password? |
| 15:07.30 | grmlast | andrewtaylor_: a screw driver is the most reliable and comprehensive |
| 15:07.39 | AndrewB | petemc: with root password |
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| 15:08.05 | grmlast | i think you can set pam to be verbose/print-debug-info |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 15:08.10 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 15:08.16 | abrotman | andrewtaylor_: ^^ |
| 15:08.38 | andrewtaylor_ | grmlast: yeah, no local access to the device. Thanks abrotman |
| 15:09.03 | AndrewB | grmlast: do you know how to? |
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| 15:10.11 | LLcoolM | what udev rule would i have to use in case i wanted to change mode to 750 for /dev/directory? |
| 15:10.47 | LLcoolM | KERNEL=="directory", MODE="0750" doesnt work for instance |
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| 15:12.53 | abrotman | LLcoolM: why would you do that ? |
| 15:13.25 | LLcoolM | to restrict lets say a complete subsystem to a special group? |
| 15:13.39 | LLcoolM | for example input |
| 15:14.10 | LLcoolM | or any other directory there is in dev |
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| 15:15.06 | LLcoolM | or even better: net |
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| 15:15.11 | LLcoolM | ok, not net |
| 15:15.21 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 15:15.21 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
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| 15:15.55 | LLcoolM | abrotman: afaik that file doesnt offer any help here |
| 15:16.33 | LLcoolM | because i already read that |
| 15:17.28 | andrewtaylor_ | is /dev/cciss/disc0 indicative of a RAID setup? If so, how can I query more information? |
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| 15:18.24 | abrotman | overpointe: get a better IRC client |
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| 15:21.49 | blondie1 | overpointe: yeah stop that now |
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| 15:25.50 | beans | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686-smp is that what i need for a xeon ? |
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| 15:26.18 | rutski | how do I get a listing of all installed packages? |
| 15:26.32 | rutski | With apt, of course. |
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| 15:27.18 | abrotman | !installed |
| 15:27.18 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 15:27.23 | abrotman | beans: yes |
| 15:27.29 | beans | cheers |
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| 15:30.30 | andrewtaylor_ | has anyone got a base install of sarge which is totally un-touched by human hands, that they could run the above command on ? I've searched for ages to get a package list of default packages so I can diff it against my current list. |
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| 15:31.31 | beans | server5:~# uname -r |
| 15:31.31 | beans | 2.6.8-3-686-smp |
| 15:31.34 | Fox | andrewtaylor_: even untouched some people will ask tasksel to install the desktop stuff, and some won't, for example |
| 15:31.36 | beans | yey it worked |
| 15:31.44 | beans | thanks again abrotman :) |
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| 15:34.19 | abrotman | beans: you're welcome |
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| 15:37.24 | beans | abrotman its saying i have two processers |
| 15:37.28 | beans | its an intel 3.2ghz xeon |
| 15:37.33 | abrotman | this is bad ? |
| 15:37.53 | beans | i don't know |
| 15:38.01 | beans | whether it should be two or one |
| 15:38.02 | beans | :s |
| 15:38.07 | abrotman | might be HT |
| 15:38.08 | beans | surely if it wasn't two cores |
| 15:38.10 | beans | maybe |
| 15:38.16 | Roconda | hey, if I want to change the default grub, is it just changing the new one to the top? and if it doesnt boot will it automaticly pick the grub below it? |
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| 15:41.15 | Reilithion | I'm looking for a RAM editor with which I could debug frozen programs, get a look at the internals of things as they run, and -- I'll be honest -- cheating at Breakout. ;-) Anyone have any suggestions for a program/package that might meet my needs? |
| 15:42.33 | rahul | uh |
| 15:42.45 | rahul | if you want to cheat, just edit the code of the game directly. |
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| 15:43.51 | Cataphract | hey I installed openssh (apt-get install ssh). what's the clean way to make sftp-server start automatically |
| 15:43.56 | Cataphract | it only starts sshd |
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| 15:45.06 | rahul | erm |
| 15:45.21 | rahul | Cataphract: I thought sftp connected to sshd... |
| 15:45.23 | fbhjr_ | afaik sftp is not a daemon |
| 15:45.29 | fbhjr_ | yah... |
| 15:45.46 | rahul | instead of a shell, it lets you browse and download |
| 15:46.11 | andrewtaylor_ | you need to tell it to use the sftp subsystem in sshd.conf |
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| 15:46.28 | fbhjr_ | it's nice but i think a lot of gripes are precisely that it is *not* like a traditioanl ftp service |
| 15:46.34 | Cataphract | o I was under the impression it was the sftp daemon |
| 15:46.52 | andrewtaylor_ | Subsystem sftp /usr/libexec/sftp-server in /etc/sshd_config |
| 15:46.56 | fbhjr_ | can you run sftp as a standalone server? |
| 15:47.06 | andrewtaylor_ | no |
| 15:47.09 | fireba11 | wtf ? |
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| 15:47.50 | Cataphract | yes you're right |
| 15:47.54 | Cataphract | thank you |
| 15:47.55 | bushwakko | hey, how you generally tell java apps where to look for its dependancies |
| 15:48.00 | bushwakko | stuffi n like /usr/shara/java |
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| 15:48.52 | Fox | Roconda: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Booting-once_002donly.html |
| 15:49.20 | solemnwarning | I have a TV remote that acts like a keyboard, according to showkey it has keycodes on all buttons but not all have scancodes, how the hell does this make sense and how can I fix it? |
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| 15:50.55 | frank_b | I know that there has been a "freeze". any estimations about when etch will be released? |
| 15:51.07 | Fox | wir |
| 15:51.21 | beans | "The Debian Way" |
| 15:51.23 | beans | hehe |
| 15:51.49 | jharrisonwk | Fox: when RC bugs are fixed |
| 15:51.54 | frank_b | oops, sorry, hadn't checked the topic |
| 15:52.06 | beans | abrotman if the cpu had a single core and i put the smp kernel on would it still show two cores? |
| 15:52.11 | jharrisonwk | Fox: sorry |
| 15:52.17 | jharrisonwk | frank_b: when RC bugs are fixed |
| 15:53.04 | frank_b | jharrisonwk: thanks. I was asking about a date. so that I can plan which distro to install now that I have my linux not working |
| 15:53.15 | jharrisonwk | frank_b: I dont think there is a date |
| 15:53.20 | jharrisonwk | frank_b: just whenever its ready |
| 15:53.42 | jharrisonwk | frank_b: when RC bugs are fixed the release should be very close |
| 15:53.44 | frank_b | jharrisonwk: yes, but is there an average of time between the freeze and actual release? |
| 15:54.12 | abrotman | beans: no |
| 15:54.16 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 15:54.16 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 15:54.34 | beans | ok |
| 15:54.38 | beans | thank you |
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| 15:55.30 | jharrisonwk | frank_b: last time it was about a year |
| 15:55.45 | frank_b | haha |
| 15:55.49 | frank_b | je... |
| 15:56.13 | jharrisonwk | frank_b: you can always help fix RC bugs so etch can release asap |
| 15:56.15 | frank_b | I had the idea there was a delay, didn't know it was a freeze afterall |
| 15:56.45 | frank_b | jharrisonwk, yes, but I don't have the time, I'm out of home during the week |
| 15:56.47 | Ronin | frank_b: freeze is good |
| 15:57.04 | frank_b | almost isolated in a foresr |
| 15:57.18 | frank_b | *forest |
| 15:57.38 | jelly | What's the actual state of etch, base is frozen, everything is frozen, something else? Where to read about it? |
| 15:57.45 | frank_b | only touch my computer during weekends~ |
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| 15:59.58 | abrotman | beans: unless it has HT |
| 16:00.14 | beans | how would i be able totell :S |
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| 16:03.21 | beans | the bogomips are diffrent on each processor |
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| 16:04.33 | El|V\oNKo | hello |
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| 16:05.16 | El|V\oNKo | can anyone point me to some docs for suspend to hd ? |
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| 16:07.49 | fbhjr | deixa |
| 16:08.32 | cubiq_ | I have a database start-stop script which I've put in /etc/init.d/. How do I make sure that my database is shutdown correctly when issuing a soft shutdown. |
| 16:10.23 | El|V\oNKo | make a script if (blah ) echo "your in the clear" | else echo "danger will robinson!!! |
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| 16:10.55 | El|V\oNKo | append that into the init.d script * shru |
| 16:10.56 | El|V\oNKo | gs* |
| 16:11.31 | fbhjr | yeah, if you already have the script, and know how to script, just add the safe shutdown command to the script? |
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| 16:13.23 | cubiq_ | so the poweroff / shutdown command will go through all init.d scripts and call them with stop? I thought I had to put an alias in the correct runlevvels... |
| 16:13.31 | fbhjr | cubiq_: execute the script and tail -F the db logs? |
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| 16:13.46 | cubiq_ | fbhjr: True :) |
| 16:13.56 | cubiq_ | and see what happands.. |
| 16:14.04 | snowbird | when i get etch it says 3 dvd which one do i get |
| 16:14.11 | fbhjr | well, yeah, be careful |
| 16:14.23 | fbhjr | backups |
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| 16:14.32 | cubiq_ | fbhjr: I will. I don't have anything valuable in this db..yet... |
| 16:14.43 | fbhjr | so see how it shutsdown |
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| 16:14.52 | fbhjr | probably cleanly |
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| 16:20.51 | cahoot | using zd1211rw wireless nic , very stable once it connects. But - it takes a lot of tries before i get a working wpa auth. Noticed: ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' in dmesg - is this a cause of the problem or just a result of no working connection? |
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| 16:24.57 | jessy | hello |
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| 16:25.23 | jessy | anyone know how to get an usb wifi dongle working ? |
| 16:25.26 | snowbird[1] | it etch out yet] |
| 16:25.42 | jessy | Bus 005 Device 006: ID 2001:3c00 D-Link Corp. [hex] DWL-G122 802.11g rev. B1 [ralink] |
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| 16:26.06 | snowbird[1] | jessy ralink chipset |
| 16:26.19 | snowbird[1] | if its that then direct downlaod of raillink sight |
| 16:26.23 | RichardP | Hi, whats the best way to install a usable GCC system on debian? 'apt-get install gcc' doesnt produce a usable compiler environment |
| 16:26.28 | cahoot | jessy, my impression is the rt73 driver works - but no wpa |
| 16:26.32 | jessy | snowbird[1], i install them |
| 16:26.34 | asg | RichardP: install build-essentials |
| 16:26.45 | snowbird[1] | yeah jesy |
| 16:26.50 | asg | RichardP: install build-essential (that is) |
| 16:26.50 | jessy | cahoot it seems to be rt2500 |
| 16:27.08 | RichardP | asg: cheers, doing that atm |
| 16:27.16 | snowbird[1] | jessy go raillink there is spot there for linux support |
| 16:27.23 | jessy | oki |
| 16:27.30 | RichardP | also, is there a newer imagemagick around? the one in unstable doesnt work for tifs |
| 16:27.38 | snowbird[1] | real sweet sight |
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| 16:32.03 | snowbird[1] | does any one got etch? |
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| 16:34.11 | abrotman | snowbird[1]: ask your real question |
| 16:35.05 | snowbird[1] | ok is etch released yet |
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| 16:35.16 | Ronin | snowbird[1]: no |
| 16:35.27 | Grub_now | sarge is stable? |
| 16:35.27 | snowbird[1] | kk thanks |
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| 16:35.27 | Ronin | Grub_now: yes |
| 16:35.27 | abrotman | snowbird[1]: haven't you asked every day for a week now ? |
| 16:35.32 | snowbird[1] | no |
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| 16:36.14 | mciann | Trying to get the clock to behave on Debian/Windows multiboot system - /etc/default/rcS has UTC=no, but debian still wants to adjust system time per the timezone. Is there something else I need to do? |
| 16:36.33 | karsten | mciann: What's hwclock telling you? |
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| 16:36.49 | karsten | mciann: 'hwclock --show' |
| 16:37.07 | mciann | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 16:37.16 | karsten | mciann: ?? |
| 16:37.32 | karsten | mciann: ... and I think you want UTC == yes if you don't want the hwclock tracking localtime. |
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| 16:37.48 | mciann | that's what I am getting |
| 16:37.51 | karsten | mciann: Note that the time reported by 'date' *IS* _presented_ in localtime. |
| 16:38.15 | mciann | "date" reports 6 hours in the past |
| 16:38.22 | mciann | hardware clock is set to actual local time |
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| 16:38.40 | karsten | !tell mciann about set time. |
| 16:38.49 | karsten | mciann: Best bet's to run ntp-simple or similar. |
| 16:39.14 | mciann | if I change the system time, it will be wrong in windows. |
| 16:39.22 | mciann | The system clock is set to the right local time. |
| 16:39.35 | karsten | mciann: OK. |
| 16:39.36 | mciann | Debian wants to see it 6 hours in the past, which would be appropriate if I were using UTC |
| 16:39.52 | karsten | mciann: There's a solution to that problem too ... |
| 16:40.00 | karsten | mciann: ... it involves removing windows ;-) |
| 16:40.05 | mciann | i agree |
| 16:40.10 | mciann | unfortunately, I don't have that option |
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| 16:40.30 | karsten | mciann: Seriously: set hwclock to localtime. Run ntpdate at boot. |
| 16:40.49 | karsten | mciann: check that your locale is properly configure (dpkg-reconfigure locale). |
| 16:41.23 | karsten | mciann: Various versions of Windows also allow use of NTP though the update interval is very infrequent (once daily or something). |
| 16:41.38 | Gamentine | hello... does anyone know where i can modify the eth enumerations? like eth1=>eth0? |
| 16:41.40 | pickcoder | can anyone recommend a server board? Most of Tyans new socket 940 stuff is all NV4 |
| 16:41.55 | cahoot | Gamentine, ifrename |
| 16:41.57 | karsten | mciann: ... and if not at boot (ntpdate), do it when your network starts (man 5 interfaces). |
| 16:41.59 | pickcoder | I've never heard of ServerWorks |
| 16:42.05 | Gamentine | thanks cahoot |
| 16:42.19 | karsten | pickcoder: NV4? |
| 16:42.32 | pickcoder | nforce4 |
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| 16:42.43 | Gamentine | cahoot: is this a package? |
| 16:42.45 | pickcoder | which isn't well supported |
| 16:42.59 | karsten | pickcoder: Intel? |
| 16:43.04 | pickcoder | I'm looking for Opteron |
| 16:43.07 | h3sp4wn | Gamentine: on etch or sarge ? |
| 16:43.07 | pickcoder | don't care for Xeon |
| 16:43.36 | pickcoder | I used to be able to pick up 2 or 3 different models and have no probs with Linux |
| 16:43.45 | karsten | pickcoder: IBM X series kit, HP, Dell, some Sun v20/40Z stuff |
| 16:43.47 | pickcoder | now everyone is using 1000-in-1 chipsets made by NV and ATI |
| 16:44.03 | karsten | pickcoder: Intel isn't. |
| 16:44.15 | pickcoder | I don't like Intel for servers |
| 16:44.21 | h3sp4wn | Gamentine: (if you use udev) /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 16:44.37 | karsten | I didn't say you had to like 'em. But they _do_ provide you a graphics alternative. |
| 16:44.40 | pickcoder | karsten: the northbridge and southbridge are both Nvidia for nforce4 |
| 16:44.45 | karsten | !tell pickcoder about intel graphics. |
| 16:44.50 | karsten | pickcoder: Just fyi. |
| 16:45.01 | pickcoder | it has nothing to do with grafix |
| 16:45.10 | Gamentine | h3sp4wn: that's the one i'm looking for |
| 16:45.15 | karsten | Um. Ok. Misunderstood. |
| 16:45.16 | Gamentine | h3sp4wn: thanks |
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| 16:45.22 | pickcoder | it's even getting hard to find VIA chipsets on AMD boards now |
| 16:47.01 | snowbird[1] | ati hard to get two |
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| 16:47.32 | pickcoder | I had the perfect setup ordered from Monarch, but I have a feeling they won't be coming back from Christmas break |
| 16:47.53 | karsten | pickcoder: ?? |
| 16:47.56 | pickcoder | newegg has a crappy server board selection |
| 16:47.58 | pickcoder | grr |
| 16:48.07 | karsten | pickcoder: What's with monarch? |
| 16:48.40 | pickcoder | karsten: other than the fact that my rush order has been sitting in "building" stage for 30 days, and no one has answered a phone all week.. nothing |
| 16:48.48 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:48.55 | karsten | pickcoder: Got it. |
| 16:49.09 | karsten | pickcoder: I periodically hear about issues with 'em. Seems sorta sad. |
| 16:49.11 | pickcoder | I e-mailed them today.. we'll see if a human is alive there |
| 16:49.14 | karsten | pickcoder: Talked to Penguin? |
| 16:49.23 | pickcoder | they sell stuff near or under cost |
| 16:49.29 | pickcoder | so it's a matter of time |
| 16:49.40 | rahul | monarch double-charged me for CPUs once |
| 16:49.41 | pickcoder | karsten: nope |
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| 16:49.53 | karsten | pickcoder: What's the application? |
| 16:50.00 | pickcoder | web server |
| 16:50.01 | rahul | they did double-ship, but I only ordered one, and the bill was for one, but had two on it |
| 16:50.19 | pickcoder | I want a good dual-CPU dual-core Opteron PCI-X |
| 16:50.25 | karsten | pickcoder: Penguin's pretty Intel-happy, IIRC. |
| 16:50.36 | pickcoder | rahul: heh.. that's not surprising |
| 16:50.59 | rahul | the credit card was charged for 2 chips, tho |
| 16:51.00 | pickcoder | are there dual-core Xeons? |
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| 16:51.10 | karsten | pickcoder: Yes. Up to 8-way these days. |
| 16:51.10 | rahul | and they wouldn't accept a return. wtf. |
| 16:51.33 | pickcoder | the last time I priced Xeons, they were about 60% more expensive than a better Opteron chip |
| 16:51.47 | pickcoder | and the boards were higher |
| 16:51.52 | pickcoder | I'll look again |
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| 16:52.28 | karsten | pickcoder: http://milek.blogspot.com/2006/01/8-core-xeon-vs-8-core-niagara.html |
| 16:52.34 | g333k | Hi, Ijust installed etch... now how to upgrade to Sid? |
| 16:52.50 | karsten | pickcoder: AMD *have* been spanking Intel in chip quality / spec / price for years now. |
| 16:52.55 | karsten | !upgrade |
| 16:52.56 | dpkg | somebody said upgrade was what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
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| 16:53.25 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 16:53.58 | karsten | g333k: Change 'testing' to 'unstable' (or add unstable sources) in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 16:54.05 | LLcoolM | i just noticed a new filesystem on my server: /lib/init/rw what is this about? |
| 16:54.24 | beans | yeah it is ht xsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx |
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| 16:54.32 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: the woodcrest xeon's (based on the core2 design) are apparantly better performance than any opteron currently |
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| 16:54.39 | g333k | karsten, that's it?.... I dont need apt-dist upgrade? |
| 16:54.51 | karsten | g333k: Um. Yes, you do. |
| 16:54.56 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: what about price point, though |
| 16:55.05 | buggarage | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.14 | LLcoolM | it comes with the new initscripts |
| 16:55.20 | narasim_7 | piper69: GM |
| 16:55.25 | StR | Hi there..... I want to set up another ip for the same "eth1" as "eth1:1" .... where do i write that to be configured as default while booting the system? |
| 16:55.42 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: Motherboards are more expensive - processors only slightly more expensive |
| 16:55.48 | pickcoder | I'd rather pay for 2 dual-core AMD CPUs if it's the same price as one dual-core Xeon even if it's a little faster |
| 16:55.54 | karsten | g333k: As an alternative, and this is, um, slightly recommended before, say, you go racing blindly into the wonderful world of unstable, you might actually read the damned Debian documentation: http://www.debian.org/docs/ |
| 16:56.04 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 16:56.04 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 16:56.07 | karsten | StR: man 5 interfaces |
| 16:56.13 | karsten | !win abrotman |
| 16:56.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 16:56.21 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: gah.. I guess I get to research the CPU market again |
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| 16:57.05 | piper69 | !win karsten |
| 16:57.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 16:57.12 | karsten | LLcoolM: What release are you on? |
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| 16:57.17 | piper69 | lol thats cool |
| 16:58.35 | dr_strangelove | I just made a fresh install of debian testing. when I click on quit on xfce I can only log out, but the restart and shutdown buttons are gray. how can I activate them? |
| 16:58.47 | karsten | LLcoolM: bug 393465 |
| 17:00.03 | karsten | LLcoolM: Also: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/44102 |
| 17:00.52 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: what socket is that chip series? |
| 17:01.02 | karsten | LLcoolM: Apparently it's a hack to meet FHS compliance WRT rw /lib by mounting a ramdisk / shm partition there. |
| 17:01.23 | LLcoolM | karsten: i am on testing |
| 17:01.30 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: 771 |
| 17:01.43 | pickcoder | heh tiger doesn't have any |
| 17:01.44 | karsten | LLcoolM: OK. I'm not seeing that here, FWIW |
| 17:02.09 | karsten | pickcoder: Penguin Opteron boxen: http://www.penguincomputing.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=173&Itemid=232 |
| 17:02.27 | LLcoolM | karsten: strange, it seems to be on all my boxes |
| 17:02.30 | g333k | Well so basically to use Sid I just need to change my sources.list and upgrade my pkgs |
| 17:02.46 | karsten | LLcoolM: I may have missed a config / change notice. |
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| 17:03.26 | pickcoder | hmm.. maybe it's a bad sign when _none_ of them have reviews |
| 17:03.33 | karsten | pickcoder: ? |
| 17:03.43 | pickcoder | ok.. well 1 does |
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| 17:04.15 | LLcoolM | must be new karsten because i updated my brothers router last week and it doesnt yet have it |
| 17:04.27 | karsten | LLcoolM: OK. |
| 17:04.41 | surfbuddy | my / mount point shows 100% disk usage ! |
| 17:04.48 | surfbuddy | can anyone tell me why > |
| 17:04.52 | pickcoder | and that review said the board sucked and they moved back to AMD |
| 17:04.53 | pickcoder | lol |
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| 17:05.23 | karsten | surfbuddy: Um. Stuff. |
| 17:05.32 | snowbird[1] | small hd |
| 17:05.49 | cast | surely the answer isn't "because it's full" |
| 17:05.55 | surfbuddy | i hve multiple mount points.. for home, etc, tmp etc.. but my /dev/hda1 shows 100%.. |
| 17:06.11 | karsten | surfbuddy: du -sh $( ls -A /) |
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| 17:06.41 | karsten | surfbuddy: ... or filelight if you like your use reports graphical. |
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| 17:06.57 | utab | I found an old 20 GB drive how can I connect this to my debian box |
| 17:07.11 | karsten | utab: With drive and power cables. |
| 17:07.20 | karsten | utab: Screws are occasionally useful as well. |
| 17:07.37 | craigevil | why does samhain give this error: |
| 17:07.37 | craigevil | According to uname, your nodename is craigevil, but your resolver |
| 17:07.37 | craigevil | library cannot resolve this nodename to a FQDN. |
| 17:07.39 | karsten | utab: google "new disk howto" |
| 17:08.05 | surfbuddy | karsten, well..i dont really understand..becuae i keep most of my files in /home.. which is only 27% full.. |
| 17:08.15 | utab | karsten, your sense of humour is quite developed |
| 17:08.30 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: 775 is the dual-core socket name |
| 17:08.36 | utab | karsten, yes that is true that I have not googled |
| 17:09.01 | pickcoder | from what I've seen, most of the intel server boards don't support the core2 without a BIOS update |
| 17:09.06 | karsten | surfbuddy: Then fucking use the tools given you to figure out what's taking up space in / |
| 17:09.15 | karsten | !friday |
| 17:09.15 | dpkg | well, friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 17:09.15 | pickcoder | and many people have had problems with the updating |
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| 17:09.27 | pickcoder | so I dunno if I want to go that route |
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| 17:09.34 | surfbuddy | karsten, ok ok.. chill.. try to swear less... |
| 17:09.42 | pickcoder | looks like the lesser of many evils |
| 17:09.55 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: That is for core 2 though isn't it ? xeon has a seperate socket ? |
| 17:10.19 | rahul | heh |
| 17:10.20 | pickcoder | the Xeon dual-core is regarded as 775 |
| 17:10.22 | Grub_now | hi |
| 17:10.25 | pickcoder | the single-core is 771 |
| 17:10.26 | rahul | !comfort karsten |
| 17:10.26 | Grub_now | heya rahul |
| 17:10.26 | dpkg | There, there, karsten. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:10.44 | rahul | who's Grub_now? |
| 17:10.49 | Grub_now | i am me |
| 17:10.51 | Grub_now | new in here |
| 17:10.52 | pickcoder | unless I've misread |
| 17:10.54 | rahul | interesting. |
| 17:10.58 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: Not according to tyan's website http://www.tyan.com/products/html/xeon.html |
| 17:10.58 | rahul | I am not me |
| 17:11.13 | SonnyBurnett | I have changed etch fro sid in my sources.list now when I do apt-get update I receive this error: http://security.debian.org/dists/sid/uipdates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz not found, why? |
| 17:11.16 | daedalus_ | rahul lives in paradox |
| 17:11.22 | Grub_now | But i am |
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| 17:11.23 | rahul | I am the paradox. |
| 17:11.32 | Grub_now | rahul: where you at? |
| 17:11.32 | pickcoder | Conroe is 775 |
| 17:11.36 | rahul | Grub_now: here |
| 17:11.36 | pickcoder | Woodcrest is 771 |
| 17:11.43 | Grub_now | rahul: apart fro mIRC |
| 17:11.47 | Grub_now | err IRC |
| 17:11.48 | pickcoder | Conreo is dual-core |
| 17:11.49 | rahul | Grub_now: I wrote a poem about that |
| 17:11.50 | pickcoder | woodcrest isn't |
| 17:11.51 | rahul | EEEWWWWW |
| 17:11.51 | CharminTheMoose | the debian wiki says that etch is 4.0.I thought lenny was |
| 17:11.51 | pickcoder | brb |
| 17:11.54 | rahul | mIRC!!! |
| 17:11.55 | Grub_now | rahul: about what? |
| 17:11.56 | pickcoder | Conroe |
| 17:12.07 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: lenny == etch++? |
| 17:12.10 | Grub_now | rahul: a poem about what? |
| 17:12.11 | cast | Grub_now: careful now, people lose heads with loose talk like that |
| 17:12.18 | rahul | Grub_now: where I am |
| 17:12.18 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: woodcrest is dual core |
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| 17:12.26 | Grub_now | cast: i was getting to the point |
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| 17:12.28 | Grub_now | :P |
| 17:12.30 | surfbuddy | karsten, i used package manager.. to install filelight.. where can i find it though ? |
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| 17:12.43 | Grub_now | anyway, anyone could help me install python-syck on debian sarge? |
| 17:12.47 | karsten | surfbuddy: Here's a tip. |
| 17:12.53 | karsten | surfbuddy: No more stupid questions. |
| 17:12.54 | surfbuddy | i dont wannar run it from the run command |
| 17:12.55 | Grub_now | apparently it doesnt have dump |
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| 17:13.00 | karsten | surfbuddy: *particularly* to me. |
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| 17:13.12 | CharminTheMoose | karsten:You could've just said type it into a terminal and run it |
| 17:13.35 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Yes, or several other things. |
| 17:13.40 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: and then it'll ask, "I just made a poop. Where do I find it?" |
| 17:13.53 | cast | surfbuddy: run it from the run command. :D |
| 17:14.09 | h3sp4wn | pickcoder: conroe is the desktop version of woodcrest xeon (you can only use a single conroe/allendale) |
| 17:14.09 | CharminTheMoose | for great justice take off every zig! |
| 17:14.22 | surfbuddy | karsten, CharminTheMoose, but thats what i always do ...! for all my package installed through Synaptic... |
| 17:14.36 | CharminTheMoose | surfbuddy,then why ask? |
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| 17:15.19 | CharminTheMoose | if you need help working filelight then read the man page |
| 17:15.19 | pickcoder | hm |
| 17:15.24 | pickcoder | h3sp4wn: yeah I see that now |
| 17:15.39 | SonnyBurnett | I have changed etch for sid in my sources.list now when I do apt-get update I receive this error: http://security.debian.org/dists/sid/uipdates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz not found, why? |
| 17:15.39 | surfbuddy | becuase i wanted to use it from the pop menu..( doesnt the package installation create a short cut menu in Menupop up ) |
| 17:15.56 | rahul | where am I?: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4812 |
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| 17:18.43 | snowbird[1] | sounds like waiting for stable is wise |
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| 17:19.21 | karsten | rahul: Whereever you go, there you are. |
| 17:19.24 | amphi | snowbird[1]: etch is working well for me here |
| 17:19.34 | snowbird[1] | cool as testing |
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| 17:19.58 | rahul | karsten: indeed |
| 17:20.04 | rahul | karsten: but there's more to it with me |
| 17:20.14 | Grub_now | I did apt-get install python-syck , but when i run the test for syck , i get his error |
| 17:20.18 | Grub_now | ImportError: No module named _syck |
| 17:20.25 | snowbird[1] | amphi think il net install etch |
| 17:20.27 | Grub_now | what goes wrong? |
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| 17:20.53 | karsten | The US is a truly great country. |
| 17:21.02 | karsten | 3.179 cheerleaders for every hunter. |
| 17:21.05 | snowbird[1] | got 80 gig drive for debian |
| 17:21.10 | rahul | haha |
| 17:21.10 | karsten | http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/15/MNGSBN09321.DTL |
| 17:21.16 | snowbird[1] | should be big enough |
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| 17:22.01 | amphi | The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: dbus toilet ... |
| 17:22.03 | SonnyBurnett | Can somebody tell me why do I have problems with the security pkgs when using unstable in my sources.list ? |
| 17:22.31 | cast | lmao @ amphi |
| 17:22.36 | CharminTheMoose | SonnyBurnett:Maybe it's because you aren't taking off every zig for great justice. |
| 17:22.42 | CharminTheMoose | BE MORE SPECEFIC! |
| 17:22.48 | CharminTheMoose | *specific |
| 17:23.20 | Ronin | theres are security packages in sid? |
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| 17:23.21 | SonnyBurnett | CharminTheMoose, when I do apt-get update I receive this error: http://security.debian.org/dists/sid/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz not found, why? |
| 17:23.46 | Ronin | because sid doesnt get security updates? |
| 17:23.48 | SonnyBurnett | Ronin, that's the point.... are there security pkgs in sid_ |
| 17:23.50 | CharminTheMoose | Probably because Packages.gz doesn't exist? |
| 17:23.51 | SonnyBurnett | ? |
| 17:24.10 | SonnyBurnett | CharminTheMoose, So do Ihave to comment all the security lines when using Sid? |
| 17:24.26 | Ronin | SonnyBurnett: iirc sid doesnt get security updates it gets new packages |
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| 17:24.40 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: why are you using sid if you have no idea what's going on in debian? |
| 17:24.58 | karsten | rahul: Feh. Don't ask sensible questions. |
| 17:25.03 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:25.24 | rahul | Whereever I'm not |
| 17:25.25 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.23 | adolson | heh, in sid, it is normal to have almost all of the gnome menu items disappear out of the blue, like it just did to me |
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| 17:26.48 | SimplySeth | what is the best portable media (or the most used) to substitute as a harddrive ? |
| 17:27.20 | CharminTheMoose | usb key/external harddrive |
| 17:27.22 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, I want to test the latest pkgs |
| 17:27.31 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: you're a tool. |
| 17:27.39 | Ronin | SonnyBurnett: then you should be able to fix it too when it breaks :) |
| 17:27.39 | SimplySeth | CharminTheMoose: usbkey .. brilliant ! |
| 17:27.42 | cast | a hard drive with a sata2usb2 adaptor [thinkgeek.com iirc sells a cheap one] :) |
| 17:27.55 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, a tool? |
| 17:28.00 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: you can't understand the output of apt and you want to be fixing broken packages? |
| 17:28.12 | SimplySeth | cast: I'm attempting to remove as much noice and mechanical parts from my system as possible |
| 17:28.27 | SimplySeth | s/noice/noise/g |
| 17:28.30 | rahul | what's with all these camels in here? |
| 17:28.30 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, I didnt say that... I said I just want to test the pkgs... not fixing them |
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| 17:28.44 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: oh, so when the shit breaks, what will you do? |
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| 17:29.03 | Ronin | SonnyBurnett: running sid means you will be fixing broken things as well |
| 17:29.09 | CharminTheMoose | Question:What are those usb hubs that can connect more than 1 usb to the system via a single usb?Is it called a Usb hub connector? |
| 17:29.25 | adolson | wtf |
| 17:29.29 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, I will do whatever takes to get my system keep alive... wouldnt you? |
| 17:29.29 | CharminTheMoose | or am i just being a tool |
| 17:29.36 | SimplySeth | CharminTheMoose: brilliant .. I'm on a quest to build a fanless VIA Eden 90 watt computer with a non mechanical harddrive |
| 17:29.43 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: no, you'll come here and whine like a baby |
| 17:30.28 | SimplySeth | CharminTheMoose: thank you for your input |
| 17:30.41 | CharminTheMoose | SimplySeth,yeah,no problem |
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| 17:30.44 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 17:30.50 | Ronin | CharminTheMoose: usb hubs :) |
| 17:30.55 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: it's called a usb hub |
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| 17:31.10 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, so whats your point? Make me feel as an dumb? or make conttructive comments? |
| 17:31.43 | CharminTheMoose | heh,thanks Ronin and Blondie. :) |
| 17:31.44 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: LEARN before you try to do something |
| 17:31.44 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, Have you had a bad day? |
| 17:31.44 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: did you ride a bike before you learned how to walk? |
| 17:31.51 | Ronin | SonnyBurnett: seriously man if youre going to run sid you will have broken things, sometimes minor other times holy crap what happened, best learn in baby steps |
| 17:31.54 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: no, but you'll be having lots of bad days if you do this |
| 17:32.11 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: I don't use sid. |
| 17:32.22 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: I have no interest in being a QA department |
| 17:32.29 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: wierdo. |
| 17:32.35 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, I'm i the process... I have etch in my main Desktop... I'm just installing Sid in my secondary desktop... because I want to learn... is it bad? |
| 17:32.38 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: you're a moose with a camel name |
| 17:32.39 | CharminTheMoose | i kidding |
| 17:32.49 | CharminTheMoose | camel? |
| 17:32.53 | CharminTheMoose | oh right |
| 17:32.54 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: you can learn in less ridiculous ways |
| 17:32.59 | rahul | heh |
| 17:33.14 | rahul | !tool |
| 17:33.14 | dpkg | i heard tool is a band (which is fooz's and chucker's favorite) with a lead singer named Maynard James Keenan or very cool. or an obscene term for schlong |an idiot |
| 17:33.18 | charmin_the_moos | moos |
| 17:33.18 | rahul | zoof! |
| 17:33.39 | rahul | !tool is also rahul likes tool, too! |
| 17:33.40 | dpkg | rahul: okay |
| 17:33.44 | rahul | !tool |
| 17:33.44 | dpkg | somebody said tool was a band (which is fooz's and chucker's favorite) with a lead singer named Maynard James Keenan or very cool. or an obscene term for schlong |an idiot, or rahul likes tool, too! |
| 17:33.46 | Ronin | woulldnt really say its an obscene term |
| 17:33.53 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, If you dont use Sid... I dont understand how you can critizic |
| 17:33.58 | rahul | it's actually a non-obscene term |
| 17:34.11 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: you have less understanding than I do of how to use apt |
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| 17:34.22 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: and you think you're more qualified to fix broken packages? |
| 17:34.40 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: I use packages from sid and from experimental when I need to |
| 17:35.00 | CharminTheMoose | !abuse dpkg |
| 17:35.06 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: I've also created my own debian packages. you could get into really really confusing situations if you use sid. |
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| 17:35.19 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, this is not the point.... If I tell you help me doing X, you wouldnt help me doing Z right? |
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| 17:35.40 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: huh? |
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| 17:35.47 | Ronin | SonnyBurnett: basically it comes down it folks that run sid are on thier own |
| 17:36.00 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: sid is not supported here. sid is for debian developers. |
| 17:36.08 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: this is a channel for users. |
| 17:36.36 | buggarage | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.38 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, I'm not asking question related to Fixing Sid..... |
| 17:36.39 | rahul | Ronin: no one is that crazy |
| 17:36.42 | buggarage | lol |
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| 17:36.53 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: you can't even figure out how to INSTALL sid |
| 17:37.02 | daedalus_ | giggle |
| 17:37.15 | pickcoder | so if I install Etch, I should have no issues with the Intel 5000V chipset? |
| 17:37.26 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, I did |
| 17:37.35 | rahul | 5kV on your chipset? |
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| 17:37.48 | rahul | that's a chipset Tesla would use |
| 17:37.50 | buggarage | maybe not a devloper but a feedbacker |
| 17:37.52 | pickcoder | rahul: yeah.. they'd be warm and toasty |
| 17:38.04 | daedalus_ | pickcoder: etch is aka "testing" and has the associated problems on occasion. |
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| 17:38.32 | pickcoder | daedalus_: well I have it running on many new and old machines, but they're not based on the 5000V chipset |
| 17:38.57 | pickcoder | daedalus_: my main issue is device detection |
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| 17:39.29 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: the song "Dam That River" is Sid singing to you |
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| 17:40.01 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, ok in the case I want to know how to fix broken pkgs, what list of steps should I follow? |
| 17:40.08 | daedalus_ | pickcoder: Dunno. I don't have the 5000V chipset. I'd try it and see. |
| 17:40.14 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: there are no steps |
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| 17:40.29 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: it's intuition, wisdom, experience |
| 17:40.33 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, I mean... steps to have the enough Knowledge... |
| 17:40.35 | pickcoder | hrm.. ok.. it's not a dire need situation anyway |
| 17:40.47 | craigevil | and pure luck some of the time |
| 17:40.53 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: use something less broken and figure out what the packages should do when they _work_ |
| 17:40.58 | rahul | craigevil: indeed |
| 17:41.13 | rahul | I've escaped a number of bad sid bugs by just plain dumb luck |
| 17:41.14 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, You said that I'm riding a bike before walking... so now tell me the steps between |
| 17:41.21 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: learn how to walk |
| 17:41.32 | SonnyBurnett | rahul, Ohh come on.. |
| 17:41.35 | rahul | ... |
| 17:41.36 | craigevil | took me 2 hrs last week to figure out why sound on dvds didnt work after doignd dist-upgrade |
| 17:41.38 | rgsteele | Anybody know of a nice utility for checksumming an entire drive? I'm doing some tests of data integrity on some mirrored boxes, and I want to diff the checksums of each filesystem, to see if there's any corruption and whatnot. |
| 17:41.40 | Ronin | SonnyBurnett: its called running a working distro, then a more cutting edge one, then finally something called unstable |
| 17:42.08 | rahul | SonnyBurnett: if you can't figure out how to get more familiar with debian, you'll never figure out how to use sid |
| 17:42.38 | rahul | I pushed and then you stumbled / I kicked you in the face |
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| 17:43.27 | rgsteele | SonnyBurnett: Just change your /etc/apt/sources.list to use stable and start there...don't put in unstable until you really know what you're doing. |
| 17:43.56 | buggarage | SonnyBurnett: for example one of your binary could segfault withoug obvious reason, or your apt-get install step would stop cause there are circular dependencies etc. etc. |
| 17:43.56 | SonnyBurnett | he |
| 17:44.11 | rahul | mm circular deps |
| 17:44.33 | CharminTheMoose | i've got nothing better to do i suppose..... |
| 17:44.39 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: camels who call themselves moose do strange things. |
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| 17:44.56 | Ronin | camels that call themselves moose? |
| 17:45.01 | CharminTheMoose | what? |
| 17:45.10 | rgsteele | CharminThe...Camel? |
| 17:45.11 | rahul | camels who are tools and call themselves moose. there we go. |
| 17:45.15 | rahul | GASP |
| 17:45.17 | rahul | it's a scandal! |
| 17:45.24 | rgsteele | It just doesn't have the same ring to it |
| 17:45.32 | rahul | I'm going to sell pictures to the tabloids! |
| 17:45.45 | rgsteele | Of what, a camel with moose-horns glued to its head? |
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| 17:46.37 | rgsteele | They seem real. |
| 17:46.40 | CharminTheMoose | what about |
| 17:46.42 | simonrvn | antlers |
| 17:46.42 | rgsteele | I think he's all natural |
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| 17:46.46 | CharminTheMoose | CharminTheGnu? |
| 17:46.52 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 17:46.58 | rahul | heh |
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| 17:47.26 | surfbuddy | i hvea question.. regarding the dpkg .. i am installing a debian package dpkg -i packagename. But is it possible to install it in a particular directory..the package installation defaults to / |
| 17:47.54 | buggarage | surfbuddy: yes |
| 17:48.04 | rahul | surfbuddy: um, it won't work the way you think it will |
| 17:48.47 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: does it work if you compile it and set the install directories at ./configure? |
| 17:49.02 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: that's not dpkg doing anything then |
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| 17:49.27 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:I know. |
| 17:50.02 | frank_b | is installing debian testing a good alternative to wait for stable to be released? |
| 17:50.10 | CharminTheMoose | i was asking that IF you compiled something from source and then set the directories via ./configure would it install all the libs etc to perhaps /opt? |
| 17:50.16 | d11 | Does anyone here have a PCTV card? |
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| 17:50.22 | CharminTheMoose | !anyone |
| 17:50.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:50.32 | surfbuddy | rahul, by the way, I would like to give it a try.. can you please tell me how can i install it in a particular directory |
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| 17:51.05 | rahul | surfbuddy: what do you expect to happen? the app won't run |
| 17:51.20 | rahul | surfbuddy: that's for setting up a chroot. |
| 17:51.25 | DebiaKnight | :) |
| 17:51.35 | buggarage | CharminTheMoose: do a --configure --help it will list you all the options you have |
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| 17:51.54 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: sure. you can set whatever you want in there. |
| 17:51.55 | buggarage | CharminTheMoose: ./configure --help |
| 17:52.51 | CharminTheMoose | cool,thanks guys |
| 17:53.08 | d11 | ok, Does someone now which tuner chip is on the PCTV card from pinnacle. I cant find it on the net. quite frustrating. and its not working with kdetv at the moment |
| 17:53.10 | cast | weird. why when i went aptitude install aide was i not presented with the option to configure either aide or exim4-config, i had to run dpkg-reconfigure [this is in etch] |
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| 17:54.16 | pickcoder | d11: did you try the saa713x |
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| 17:56.19 | d11 | pickcoder: not yet, ill do that now |
| 17:56.22 | g00se | How do i put a blank line above/below the current without going into insert mode in vim? |
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| 17:57.18 | d11 | pickcoder: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BTTV/modprobe.html#TUNMOD its not in this list |
| 17:57.22 | buggarage | g00se: o or O |
| 17:57.29 | surfbuddy | rahul, the problem is that I want to install a dpkg package and it cannot due to lack of space in the / mount point |
| 17:57.40 | rahul | surfbuddy: you don't fix it that way. |
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| 17:57.45 | buggarage | g00se: ^o or ^O or CTL-o or CTL-O |
| 17:57.51 | rahul | surfbuddy: you move /var off to another partition |
| 17:57.52 | g00se | That leaves it in insert mode buggarage ;-) |
| 17:58.04 | buggarage | g00se: ah |
| 17:58.14 | surfbuddy | rahul, and put a symbolic link ? |
| 17:58.15 | rahul | surfbuddy: now you see the value of asking a proper question? |
| 17:58.22 | rahul | surfbuddy: no, mount /var directly there |
| 17:59.14 | rahul | /dev/sda7 /var xfs defaults 0 0 |
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| 17:59.29 | buggarage | g00se: then do an ESC afterwards |
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| 17:59.48 | cast | anyone use the debian aide pkg? this line baffles me: 'Checksums = md5+sha1+rmd160+haval+gost+crc32+tiger+whirlpool' why use every available hash like that? |
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| 17:59.53 | pickcoder | d11: which tuner does it have? |
| 18:00.03 | buggarage | g00se: ^o ESC |
| 18:00.12 | surfbuddy | surfbuddy, /dev/hda6 on /var -- thats my mount log. |
| 18:00.20 | d11 | pickcoder thats exactly my question |
| 18:00.20 | g00se | buggarage: ESC's far too far away - i'd do Ctrl-C ;-) |
| 18:00.31 | surfbuddy | rahul, /dev/hda6 on /var -- thats my mount log. |
| 18:00.45 | buggarage | g00se: ok |
| 18:01.02 | Eulex | g00se, map ^o esc to something you find to be better? |
| 18:01.04 | rahul | surfbuddy: so what is out of room? |
| 18:01.08 | pickcoder | d11: which model is it? |
| 18:01.23 | rahul | surfbuddy: consider putting /home on the other partition |
| 18:01.28 | buggarage | g00se: yup vim is all about mapping |
| 18:01.30 | rahul | surfbuddy: I also mount /tmp with tmpfs |
| 18:01.35 | g00se | Eulex: there's probably a way without |
| 18:01.39 | rahul | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,mode=1777 0 0 |
| 18:01.53 | Eulex | g00se, might. you could ask in #vim. |
| 18:01.57 | surfbuddy | rahul, /home is already on a different mount point |
| 18:02.06 | rahul | surfbuddy: um... /usr? |
| 18:02.14 | surfbuddy | rahul, also. |
| 18:02.16 | g00se | Eulex: Didn't know there was one. Shall try |
| 18:02.19 | rahul | surfbuddy: wtf? |
| 18:02.33 | rahul | surfbuddy: and it's / that's full?? |
| 18:02.36 | wakejagr | surfbuddy: how big is your / partition? |
| 18:03.16 | surfbuddy | rahul, /home, /usr , /tmp, /var are all on different mountpoints |
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| 18:03.34 | rahul | surfbuddy: so what's full? |
| 18:03.36 | simon23 | hi, can anyone please tell me what the modul crypt_ccmp is for ? something for wlan encryption, but i dont know if i need it or not. |
| 18:03.48 | surfbuddy | rahul, / is full. |
| 18:03.51 | d11 | pickcoder : well it is a PCTV pinnacle maybe the stereo version, it doesnt have radio. im not quite sure which one it is. they dont seem to like writting something on the card |
| 18:03.59 | rahul | surfbuddy: with what? |
| 18:04.11 | rahul | surfbuddy: use du -x / | sort -n |
| 18:04.12 | surfbuddy | rahul, with /etc , / lib, |
| 18:04.31 | surfbuddy | rahul , also with /bin and /sbin |
| 18:04.40 | rahul | surfbuddy: I have 188MB used in / |
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| 18:05.29 | surfbuddy | rahul, is the size automatically increased.. before i moved out /etc to /home and created a symbolic link,, / was 74 MB |
| 18:05.38 | surfbuddy | and later it became 214 mb |
| 18:05.50 | rahul | surfbuddy: you're on crack. |
| 18:05.52 | surfbuddy | still..m not able to install my package - scratchbox |
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| 18:06.09 | surfbuddy | rahul, whats a crack |
| 18:06.12 | rahul | you must have some really messed up packages |
| 18:06.14 | rahul | heh |
| 18:06.19 | rahul | !crack |
| 18:06.19 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 18:06.25 | rahul | whaa |
| 18:06.41 | [RiNG] | !crack |
| 18:06.41 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 18:06.42 | [RiNG] | lol :) |
| 18:06.53 | surfbuddy | rahul , whats the solution..by the way |
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| 18:07.04 | rahul | surfbuddy: I don't know what you did, so I can't fix it |
| 18:07.17 | surfbuddy | rahul, most of the time i used package manager to install.. |
| 18:07.31 | rahul | surfbuddy: do you have all of sendmail installed in /etc or something? |
| 18:08.27 | surfbuddy | rahul, the best would be to somehow..extract space from /home which is 15GB ..and put in / .. is that possible ? |
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| 18:08.48 | rahul | surfbuddy: bad idea |
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| 18:08.56 | rahul | surfbuddy: moving /etc was a bad idea, too |
| 18:09.03 | multi_io | what would be the tool of choice for monitoring the number of remaining spare sectors on a hard disk? |
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| 18:09.11 | simonrvn | oh crap, WTF |
| 18:09.12 | surfbuddy | rahul, well..i created a symbolic link.so big deal |
| 18:09.14 | multi_io | smartmontools? |
| 18:09.15 | rahul | multi_io: smartmontools |
| 18:09.23 | multi_io | ok |
| 18:09.34 | rahul | surfbuddy: how do you manage to boot? |
| 18:09.36 | simonrvn | you don't EVER put /etc on its own partition |
| 18:09.45 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.51 | multi_io | I learnt only today that such a thing exists :-P |
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| 18:10.17 | surfbuddy | rahul, well i dint boot till now.. but thanks for the tip..it prolly would save my life |
| 18:10.33 | rahul | heh. |
| 18:10.34 | warnk | i am having trouble accessing one site from behind a linux box setup as a router, I did a tcpdump on the machine and there is traffic going from the site to the internal ip of the machine, shouldn't the traffic be going to the wan ip? |
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| 18:10.56 | warnk | just listening to ppp0 with tcpdump |
| 18:11.58 | surfbuddy | rahul, how would you have solved this problem |
| 18:12.34 | rahul | surfbuddy: I wouldn't be creating massive files in the / partition |
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| 18:12.45 | simonrvn | yeh, do that somewhere else ;) |
| 18:13.00 | simonrvn | This Isn't Windows (tm) ;p |
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| 18:13.35 | surfbuddy | rahul, but as u see.only /lib and other system related files are there.. all my other datas are on /home |
| 18:13.41 | pickcoder | d11: if you don't have the model you may not be able to determine which tuner it is. Is there nothing printed on the tuner shield? |
| 18:13.52 | rahul | 13:04 < rahul> surfbuddy: use du -x / | sort -n |
| 18:14.07 | rahul | the song I'm listening to right now is quite apropos to surfbuddy's problem |
| 18:14.20 | rahul | we deteriorate / it's one more day of dieing / we deteriorate / list in orbitals |
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| 18:15.12 | CharminTheMoose | !test |
| 18:15.13 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:15.18 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 18:15.44 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 18:15.44 | sparr | I have an epson CX-5400 scanner(/printer/copier). SANE's website says its supported. Ive got all the sane packages installed. sane-find-scanner sees the scanner, but xsane and scanimage both cant see it (even while the backend debug output finds it). help? |
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| 18:16.00 | Bsims | Anyone know a irssi script that will let me search a channel listing that works? |
| 18:16.07 | rahul | we wait for truth until the end / and then it's too late |
| 18:16.17 | rahul | one by one we reach the atmosphere / and then we fall |
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| 18:16.26 | simonrvn | Bsims: /msg chanserv list *foo* |
| 18:16.40 | Bsims | Oooh thanks simonrvn |
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| 18:17.02 | simonrvn | :) |
| 18:17.25 | simonrvn | would help if i re-enabled the cronjob =) |
| 18:18.13 | simonrvn | yes, AFAIK |
| 18:18.27 | rbonnin | Hey, a bit off-topic, I have a question about GPL. I want to use a GPL licensed asp script. What must I do if I made changes? |
| 18:18.28 | rahul | sheesh this space storm is MASSIVE |
| 18:18.44 | rahul | rbonnin: if you distribute compiled versions, you must distribute source with it |
| 18:19.02 | rbonnin | Well they are interpreted on my server |
| 18:19.08 | simonrvn | space storm? details? we just got fricking thunder and lightning about 10 minutes ago (YES IN DECEMBER) |
| 18:19.13 | rahul | rbonnin: as long as you give source with it, it's ok |
| 18:19.18 | simonrvn | sorry, not fricking |
| 18:19.19 | rahul | simonrvn: www.sec.noaa.gov |
| 18:19.23 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 18:19.29 | Bsims | simonrvn: massive solar flare |
| 18:19.33 | rahul | ridiculous shit |
| 18:19.36 | Bsims | Basicaly the sun puked |
| 18:19.47 | rbonnin | To the customer only or also to the site users? |
| 18:20.09 | simonrvn | there's also that big-ass triple conjunction |
| 18:20.25 | rahul | Bsims: no, it FARTED |
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| 18:20.38 | rahul | rbonnin: whoever has the asp page itself |
| 18:20.48 | rahul | rbonnin: it's a distribution thing. not a usage thing. |
| 18:20.51 | Bsims | rahul: then it was a wet fart given the particles it ejected |
| 18:21.01 | rahul | Bsims: VERY wet |
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| 18:22.27 | rahul | you know, I'm starting to like acroma more than tool |
| 18:22.32 | El|V\oNKo | well who doesnt\ |
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| 18:22.35 | rahul | scary |
| 18:23.40 | simonrvn | fuck that's big-ass |
| 18:24.02 | simonrvn | more like intestines blew up |
| 18:24.08 | rahul | pppppppppppppppplllllllbbbbppbbbbpppppppptptttttt |
| 18:24.21 | simonrvn | yeh, pretty much hehehehe |
| 18:25.00 | simonrvn | fuck check out the x-ray spikes |
| 18:25.08 | rahul | yeah |
| 18:25.16 | rahul | simonrvn: apt-get install wmspaceweather |
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| 18:25.52 | simonrvn | doing |
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| 18:26.12 | rahul | I saw the Kp go into the red and was like, WTF?? |
| 18:26.18 | rahul | it was WAY down before it spiked |
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| 18:27.27 | simonrvn | whoah |
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| 18:28.28 | PDani__ | hi |
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| 18:31.12 | rahul | looks like the storm is hitting the southern hemisphere more |
| 18:31.16 | rahul | but at this longitude |
| 18:31.17 | El|V\oNKo | hey guys, im running etch on 2.6.18 on my laptop. /etc/network/interfaces lists eth0(Wired NIC) and eth1(Wireless) as hotplugable, but dhclient keeps trying to gewt a lease for eth0. any ideas? i checked dhclient.conf, but nothing stook out |
| 18:31.41 | rahul | oh wtf. that was 2000 |
| 18:31.58 | rahul | ah, but it's similar for this event |
| 18:32.04 | El|V\oNKo | btw, no cat5 is pluged into eth0 |
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| 18:34.45 | gcbirzan | rahul: It just went to Kp 4 (http://www.sec.noaa.gov/rt_plots/kp_3d.html) |
| 18:35.04 | rahul | yeah, dropped quite a bit |
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| 18:35.30 | simonrvn | uh oh |
| 18:35.30 | rahul | my applet still hasn't gotten its update |
| 18:35.43 | simonrvn | most of the red disappeared |
| 18:35.50 | grendal_prime | ok, just tried working with my php apps and im getting this error..(after upgrading to etch from sarge) |
| 18:35.57 | grendal_prime | Internal error: pcfg_openfile() called with NULL filename |
| 18:36.58 | grendal_prime | now, it seems to have something to do with the auth_pgsql module i use for authentication? |
| 18:37.24 | grendal_prime | anyone run into this sort of problem with apache2 in etch? |
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| 18:38.31 | El|V\oNKo | grendal_prime: it sounds like you need to specify the file it need to open |
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| 18:38.51 | El|V\oNKo | that function is being called but there is no valuse |
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| 18:39.15 | El|V\oNKo | re-read the error |
| 18:39.30 | daedalus_ | grendal_prime, You probably upgraded your version of php, and now the new syntax doesn't match what you wrote in your code. |
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| 18:40.14 | abrotman | El|V\oNKo: so set it to not auto |
| 18:40.32 | grendal_prime | ya but...thing is it should not be reading any file, it uses ...welll the config file i guess..but that is specified in the apache_pg_auth config file...thats a function of the ...hold on ill reinstall that module.. |
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| 18:43.37 | Malagmyr | I'm sitting here on an old SCO OpenUnix 5 box, and trying to find out how much memory and cpu the different processes are using. Anyone with experience on such machines? I've got no meminfo, mem or top, and I've got an insanely retarded version of ps. |
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| 18:47.08 | abrotman | Malagmyr: wrong channel |
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| 18:47.28 | piper69 | why is linux so hard like this? |
| 18:47.29 | abrotman | !tell Malagmyr about rosetta |
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| 18:47.48 | simonrvn | probably want #oldCrappySCOUNIX |
| 18:48.30 | rahul | piper69: it's not |
| 18:48.34 | cast | damn linux. its too hard. |
| 18:48.44 | simonrvn | pretty soft to me |
| 18:48.46 | cast | fortunately we have kFreeBSD! |
| 18:48.56 | rahul | simonrvn: you're not rubbing it enough |
| 18:49.11 | simonrvn | why do you think it's soft? |
| 18:49.17 | rahul | heh |
| 18:49.30 | rahul | simonrvn: your linux doesn't have enough stamina |
| 18:49.31 | piper69 | rahul: it is! how am i suppouse to remember all these / &> && -a -l -r use this with that |
| 18:49.47 | simonrvn | 24/7? damn what more do you want? |
| 18:50.13 | rahul | piper69: how do you remember all these "is" "was" "were" "had" "could" to use this with that? |
| 18:50.25 | simonrvn | piper69: that's what --help an man pages are for, as reminders, and outline of what they do |
| 18:50.30 | piper69 | when ever i think that i understand something on it , i found that i don't |
| 18:50.40 | rahul | piper69: that's called wisdom |
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| 18:50.53 | piper69 | simonrvn: i agree but they are very hard to understand |
| 18:51.03 | rahul | piper69: physicists go through that constantly |
| 18:51.11 | piper69 | lol |
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| 18:51.21 | rahul | they think they understand how the weak force works and BAM, you get parity violations |
| 18:51.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:51.39 | simonrvn | damn those parity violations |
| 18:51.51 | simonrvn | damn those dumb physicists |
| 18:51.51 | piper69 | rahul: no seriuosly i really love linux and i wish i will be good at it one day |
| 18:51.52 | rahul | then you say, well, CPT must hold, right? |
| 18:51.59 | rahul | WRONG! |
| 18:52.06 | rahul | we just don't understand it. |
| 18:52.13 | simonrvn | yup. |
| 18:52.16 | sanity__ | Hi i have installed nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-amd64 nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
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| 18:52.32 | rahul | and then the sun blasts a massive wet fart at you |
| 18:52.39 | piper69 | one thing thu, trying to understand linux made me really love reading |
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| 18:52.49 | rahul | we deteriorate / lost in orbitals |
| 18:52.49 | sanity__ | when i put nvidia in xorg.conf , log say me nvidia module is not found !? |
| 18:53.05 | Malagmyr | abrotman: yeah. sorry for asking in the wrong channel. i know. it's just that there's no ##sco channel, and I knew someone in here might have an answer. I'll check out that link. thanks. |
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| 18:53.11 | rahul | sanity__: that's just the kernel modules, not the x server modules |
| 18:53.17 | futex | hello |
| 18:53.22 | abrotman | Malagmyr: it's a handy item when dealing with foreign unices |
| 18:53.24 | sanity__ | how install them please ? |
| 18:53.25 | rahul | Malagmyr: why would #debian know anything about sco? |
| 18:53.27 | runa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.28 | piper69 | but reading the man they always ref. to another one then you loose control of what you were reading at the first place |
| 18:53.39 | rahul | runa_: ssh -X user@host |
| 18:53.48 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 18:53.49 | dpkg | sshx is, like, Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 18:54.14 | piper69 | i am just disapointed right now |
| 18:54.16 | futex | can you help me? i want to shrink an reiserfs partion /, and resize_reiserfs want to umount the filesystem |
| 18:54.25 | Seven_Six_Two | If I have an older sarge box between my desktop and the router, what packages would I use on the sarge box to serve all incoming port 80 requests and forward all other requests to my desktop? |
| 18:54.41 | rahul | futex: so do it. |
| 18:54.42 | Seven_Six_Two | futex: boot with a live cd |
| 18:54.47 | rahul | oh / |
| 18:54.51 | sanity__ | nvidia-glx-legacy ? |
| 18:54.54 | futex | ok i think to do this |
| 18:55.03 | futex | if they have no over solution |
| 18:55.06 | runa_ | i want to use X server of another compiuter. i want to use a window manager |
| 18:55.06 | rahul | futex: yeah, a rescue kit is useful for this |
| 18:55.15 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: iptables |
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| 18:55.34 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: I wasn't sure if I had to do it manually or not. |
| 18:55.37 | godzirra | Heya folks. I'm using exim and I'm having some issues I hope someone can help me with... |
| 18:55.40 | rahul | runa_: you are confused. the server is what runs locally. the client is the remote application. |
| 18:55.46 | godzirra | Can anyone tell me what this means and how to fix it? 2006-12-15 14:44:48 1GvIz9-0004YB-L6 ** www-data@broadtime.com R=hub_user_smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period |
| 18:55.50 | godzirra | I get that a ton of times and then I get 2006-12-15 14:44:48 1GvIz9-0004YB-L6 Frozen (delivery error message) |
| 18:55.52 | rahul | runa_: the application connects BACK to your machine's X server |
| 18:56.09 | simonrvn | runa_: with X the usal client/server model *seems* to be reversed |
| 18:56.15 | simonrvn | usual* |
| 18:56.16 | abrotman | godzirra: ask #exim |
| 18:56.18 | rahul | damn it |
| 18:56.22 | rahul | pandora is all fooked |
| 18:56.27 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: I saw some packages that take care of masquerading etc and thought maybe I had to use one of them |
| 18:56.45 | simonrvn | i lost a partition yesterday on one of mine here |
| 18:56.47 | godzirra | abrotman: I did. People are pretty dead there. S ince its running on a debian machine I figured I'd ask here too. |
| 18:56.54 | fbhjr | a/win 2 |
| 18:56.56 | simonrvn | need to get the drive changed soon |
| 18:57.28 | runa_ | sorry for i am not clear. i want to forward a port and use that port to connect to the xserver of the other compiuter. like 2 machines and one xserver |
| 18:57.29 | simonrvn | luckily it was "only" /var/log and i could still get at the data |
| 18:57.42 | rahul | runa_: just ssh |
| 18:57.44 | rahul | sheesh |
| 18:57.52 | rahul | runa_: did you READ the thing dpkg talked about? |
| 18:57.57 | abrotman | godzirra: well .. be patient .. or see if google knows |
| 18:58.34 | runa_ | i can not make "startx" no i didnt read it |
| 18:58.36 | piper69 | ok guys a heading out , will talk to you later i wish you all a very happy and safe weekend |
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| 18:58.41 | godzirra | abrotman: I check google first. Always. :) |
| 18:58.51 | godzirra | later piper. |
| 18:58.59 | simonrvn | piper69: take care |
| 18:59.14 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: if my web server accepts requests on 192.168.0.2 and I try to ssh into it, it will ssh into my desktop if iptables is set up properly? or I can use things like amule/ftp/ssh on my desktop transparently? |
| 18:59.44 | runa_ | rahul yes i read but it does not allow me to do "startx " |
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| 19:00.01 | rahul | runa_: then you didn't read |
| 19:00.13 | rahul | runa_: you start X on the machine you're SITTING at |
| 19:00.29 | rahul | runa_: remote computers do not have access to your hardware |
| 19:00.48 | rahul | runa_: INSIDE the X session, ssh to the other machine, and run the _application_ you want to run |
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| 19:02.15 | abrotman | godzirra: ah ok |
| 19:02.27 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: i believe you can do that |
| 19:02.28 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 19:02.28 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
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| 19:03.12 | daedalus_ | not a virgin? |
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| 19:04.29 | humboldt | If I want a versatile statful firewall well integrated into debian, what would I use? |
| 19:05.40 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: thanks. I'm going to rtfm now that I know which fm to r |
| 19:05.40 | humboldt | I start to think, the best thing to do is pure iptables executed by the pre-ip-up scripts. |
| 19:06.24 | rahul | humboldt: iptables already comes like that |
| 19:06.38 | rahul | humboldt: sorry, the ipmasq package includes that kind of stuff |
| 19:07.04 | humboldt | rahul: ? |
| 19:07.07 | humboldt | tell me more |
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| 19:07.33 | rahul | humboldt: it has lots of dirs with different scripts to set up different features with whatever ip filtering system you have |
| 19:07.40 | humboldt | and this concernes which release? |
| 19:07.45 | rahul | debian. |
| 19:07.59 | rahul | humboldt: release of what? |
| 19:08.01 | humboldt | sarge, etch? |
| 19:08.07 | rahul | been there since woody |
| 19:08.16 | humboldt | ipmasq |
| 19:08.18 | rahul | well, _I_ used it since woody |
| 19:08.36 | rahul | maybe it was there in potato, for all I know |
| 19:09.28 | humboldt | ant this allows statefull filtering? does it support me in setting up statefull filtering or do I have to be the brain behind that is actually how I should ask. iptables supports statefull filtering but only if I take the time to set it up myself. |
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| 19:09.46 | rahul | humboldt: it has some stuff already set up. you can add what you want. |
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| 19:10.07 | rahul | how should some random person know what security rules you want to have on your network? |
| 19:10.45 | humboldt | rahul: After I was searching for appropriate firewall distributions (m0n0, endian, bfSense, astaro) I am a little frustrated about their abilities and thinking about going back to console config |
| 19:10.51 | humboldt | and a debian platform |
| 19:11.26 | rahul | humboldt: this is quite flexible, but YOU have to flex it |
| 19:11.30 | rahul | it will not read your mind |
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| 19:12.51 | humboldt | rahul: what I am taking about is: shorewall provides some logic to setup statefull filtering on the TCP connections I choose. I say allow port x on int y ... and it creates not just the pure filtering but the statefull (CONNTRACK) rules as well. |
| 19:13.02 | humboldt | I want to know if ipmasq does that, or not |
| 19:13.29 | rahul | humboldt: it just has a bunch of scripts that get invoked with specific env vars based on the network configuration it sees |
| 19:13.49 | rahul | it works for my masq box is all I can say. |
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| 19:13.52 | godzirra | How can I see why a message is frozen in the mailq for exim? |
| 19:14.44 | Malagmyr | rahul: hardly the channel in itself, but I assume people in here, like me, work on a number of different os'es, and with the lack of a dedicated channel for sco, i didn't want to rule out the possibility that someone who is now using debian also has experience with sco. thus i asked, and got a nice answer. :) |
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| 19:18.40 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:18.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:19.52 | cureless | good triumphs over evil once more as I get to install debian over some fedora boxes.... |
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| 19:21.04 | yang | where is mozilla is the signature setting when composing a new email? |
| 19:21.43 | rahul | yang: same place as it always has been |
| 19:21.46 | cureless | yang: are you really using mozilla? or thunderbird/icedove? |
| 19:21.51 | rahul | since the beginning of email |
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| 19:21.57 | yang | cureless: mozilla |
| 19:22.08 | rahul | makrybub zomgz. |
| 19:22.22 | markybob | rahul, wow. been a while :) |
| 19:22.27 | rahul | :) |
| 19:22.27 | yang | rahul: the signature setting, i don't see it in preferences |
| 19:22.48 | rahul | yang: where is the signature when you use mutt or pine or whatever? .signature |
| 19:22.57 | rahul | that's why it's called a .sig |
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| 19:23.06 | cureless | that's not always true |
| 19:23.08 | rahul | kids these days |
| 19:23.16 | cureless | you can specify the sig file in most apps |
| 19:23.23 | markybob | rahul, you've been gone for too long...they got out of hand. :) |
| 19:23.24 | rahul | wel,l he hasn't figured out how to |
| 19:23.27 | rahul | markybob: heh |
| 19:23.30 | yang | rahul: i thinked about .signature and it's not accepting |
| 19:23.44 | rahul | yang: hrm, worked for me back when I used such crappy clients |
| 19:24.12 | cureless | yang: in thunderbird/iceweasel it's in account settings (for a specific account) it says: "Attach this signature: __________" |
| 19:24.35 | markybob | yang, you're trying ~/Mail/.signature, right? not ~/.signature? |
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| 19:25.16 | yang | no i was trying $HOME/.signature |
| 19:25.20 | rahul | eew |
| 19:25.31 | cureless | doh! I need new glasses, I just downloaded the arm image instead of the amd64 |
| 19:25.34 | rahul | markybob: moz does that? |
| 19:26.29 | markybob | rahul, no, i apparently just came in too late in the conversation :) i still thought we were talking mutt |
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| 19:27.06 | markybob | rahul, whatever happened to that anglegirl, however her nick was spelled? |
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| 19:27.09 | rahul | markybob: ANY mailers put .sig in ~/Mail? |
| 19:27.14 | markybob | rahul, yes |
| 19:27.16 | rahul | markybob: I dunno |
| 19:27.21 | rahul | markybob: insane |
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| 19:27.37 | rahul | markybob: I haven't been here for 3 years |
| 19:27.46 | yang | cureless: Got it ! it isn't automatically added from .signature |
| 19:28.24 | cureless | yang: is it a setting or a default file? |
| 19:29.25 | yang | cureless: it was a setting |
| 19:29.54 | t1 | http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=dolox.com http://66.240.231.65/dolox.com.db |
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| 19:30.05 | t1 | dolox.com at my domain registrar, has the nameservers pointing to ns1.zoneedit.com and ns12.zoneedit.com |
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| 19:30.31 | rahul | grrr |
| 19:30.31 | t1 | can anyone help me get this working? :l |
| 19:30.31 | rahul | doing an upgrade and now I can't do DNS |
| 19:30.31 | markybob | rahul, you probably didnt know that the official debian channel moved, then. |
| 19:30.31 | abrotman | t1: ask #dns |
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| 19:30.32 | rahul | markybob: ooooficial? |
| 19:30.32 | t1 | nobodies there i did abrotman |
| 19:30.47 | pudo | hey all. whcih kernel should I use if I need software RAID (md)? do I need to regen an initrd |
| 19:30.48 | rahul | markybob: where? |
| 19:30.56 | markybob | rahul, irc.debian.org...no longer points to freenode |
| 19:31.07 | rahul | markybob: interesting? who's on there? |
| 19:31.12 | abrotman | t1: i don't see the problem ? |
| 19:31.21 | yang | rahul: it's on irc.oftc.net now |
| 19:31.33 | Ronin | been that way for some time too |
| 19:31.33 | markybob | rahul, a lot of the old guys. seems less loud than this channel |
| 19:31.45 | abrotman | markybob: want me to go greycat on your ass? :) |
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| 19:32.05 | markybob | abrotman, pass ;) |
| 19:32.07 | rahul | heh |
| 19:32.15 | ubox | hey all |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | you can still find him in #bash |
| 19:32.24 | rahul | hashbash |
| 19:32.24 | humboldt | what is the debian way to make a pptp connection come up on boot or better after the connecting interface came up? |
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| 19:32.39 | abrotman | use a post-up in the interfaces ? |
| 19:32.51 | ubox | i am configuring postfix on my machine for LAN..do i have to add lines in /etc/postfix/main.cf for pop and smtp, if yes whr and wht should i add?? |
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| 19:33.23 | sng | abrotman!!! How do you get loonix to show you the link and duplex status on a NIC? |
| 19:33.32 | abrotman | ethtool or mii-tool |
| 19:33.38 | sng | Thanks! |
| 19:33.42 | abrotman | see .. i'm useful! |
| 19:33.43 | humboldt | abrotman: that's what I thought about. |
| 19:33.57 | abrotman | MWAH! |
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| 19:34.27 | humboldt | is there another way to hangle ppp connections, I mean could I have it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 19:34.37 | humboldt | I love pon/poff by the way! |
| 19:34.43 | humboldt | I love the debian way! |
| 19:34.56 | fflush | unbuntu user detected lol |
| 19:35.22 | pudo | which kernel should I use if I need software RAID (md)? do I need to regen an initrd? |
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| 19:35.45 | groogs__ | does anyone know of a watchdog-type program that will periodically check to see if certain processes are running, and if not, start them (via /etc/init.d/) ? |
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| 19:37.38 | humboldt | fflush: so what? |
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| 19:39.41 | humboldt | fflush: Would you call a french man not european? |
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| 19:40.36 | fflush | of course |
| 19:40.39 | fflush | lol |
| 19:40.57 | fflush | so you are asking for information int he wrong place |
| 19:41.03 | fflush | #ubuntu is your friend |
| 19:41.06 | fflush | :) |
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| 19:44.17 | h3sp4wn | humboldt: try pppoeconf - if you are using pppoe |
| 19:46.20 | humboldt | h3sp4wn: no, no no, I am not using pppoe but pptp and I am quite happy with the console. by the way I would like to know, how to setup pppoe without that gui tool. |
| 19:46.50 | h3sp4wn | humboldt: that is ncurses is it not ? |
| 19:48.02 | humboldt | is it? anywho, I would like to know how to set that up without using any tools. where does it write it's config? |
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| 19:48.48 | humboldt | I guess this is just a normal pptp connection but with automatic ip subnet and pptp server discovery, right? |
| 19:48.55 | yang | cureless: Do you know if you can set font in gmail ? The original message comes nice, but is later garbled by font size |
| 19:49.22 | humboldt | h3sp4wn: I used a pppoe modem with pptp once. |
| 19:49.26 | mihelson | people, who worked with startdict? |
| 19:49.35 | mihelson | could you get normal transcription? |
| 19:49.44 | mihelson | what fonts do you use |
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| 19:50.55 | h3sp4wn | humboldt: either read how to do it - or use that tool (does it the debian way) |
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| 19:55.03 | sng | abrotman: It worked! |
| 19:55.09 | abrotman | duh |
| 19:55.11 | abrotman | like i'd lie |
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| 19:55.16 | rahul | sure you would |
| 19:55.19 | rahul | you're an evil bastard |
| 19:55.29 | rahul | heh |
| 19:55.37 | rahul | haha |
| 19:55.49 | rahul | I'll show you used |
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| 19:55.54 | rahul | !use abrotman |
| 19:55.57 | godzirra | Can anyone take a look at this paste of my exim problem abnd help me out? http://sial.org/pbot/21793 |
| 19:56.02 | rahul | bah |
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| 19:56.55 | abrotman | !hire rahul |
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| 19:57.06 | Suprano__ | eh? |
| 19:57.09 | sng | abrotman: Also. Suse is hateful. :) |
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| 19:57.17 | abrotman | godzirra: is that a real email address ? |
| 19:57.21 | abrotman | sng: they are ? |
| 19:57.38 | rahul | heh |
| 19:57.44 | rahul | dpkg: literal hire |
| 19:58.02 | sng | Have you *seen* where they put their config files? |
| 19:58.25 | rahul | /etc/sysconfig/network/eth0/SETTINGS or some nonsense |
| 19:58.27 | abrotman | sng: /opt/! |
| 19:58.31 | rahul | no way |
| 19:58.37 | rahul | abrotman: you have a sick mind |
| 19:58.38 | sng | What rahul said. :) |
| 19:58.40 | godzirra | abrotman: shawn@broadtime.com? Yes. |
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| 19:58.47 | godzirra | abrotman: but I'm sending it to my gmail account |
| 19:58.49 | abrotman | godzirra: got a firewall on the box ? |
| 19:58.51 | godzirra | FROM shawn@broadtime.com |
| 19:59.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:59.07 | rahul | everybody spam shawn@broadtime.com |
| 19:59.11 | godzirra | =p |
| 19:59.19 | abrotman | no firewall ? |
| 19:59.24 | godzirra | abrotman: Yes, but not blocking mail ports. |
| 19:59.41 | rahul | while true ; do mail -s "HOT DEBIAN PR0N" shawn@broadtime.com; done |
| 19:59.56 | godzirra | rahul: as long as its hot debian pr0n |
| 20:00.01 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:00.43 | godzirra | abrotman: If i try and telnet to localhost 25 it doesnt connect. |
| 20:00.54 | godzirra | I thoug3~ht it was because i'm running exim as a smarthost? But I'm not sure. |
| 20:01.00 | godzirra | exim is definitely runing. |
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| 20:01.30 | rahul | it only needs to keep port 25 open to run as a relay or an incoming mail host |
| 20:02.27 | godzirra | Right, so it not connecting is ok |
| 20:02.33 | godzirra | right? |
| 20:02.42 | rahul | you tell me :P |
| 20:03.09 | godzirra | I send out mail via web forms. |
| 20:03.10 | godzirra | Thats it. |
| 20:03.25 | godzirra | there's no other mail sending that should happen. mail shouldnt ever be received on this box either. |
| 20:03.44 | abrotman | godzirra: so either exim isn't running .. or the firewall is |
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| 20:04.14 | godzirra | Debian- 18792 1 0 15:00 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 20:04.17 | godzirra | exim is running. |
| 20:04.45 | godzirra | and the firewall isnt stopping mail at the moment. |
| 20:04.52 | godzirra | I cleared it out to test, and its still not working. |
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| 20:06.55 | dan2 | Does openoffice offer any utilities to convert to another word format on the shell? |
| 20:07.36 | rahul | dan2: use antiword |
| 20:07.47 | dan2 | antiword doesn't get me to tiff |
| 20:08.51 | abrotman | dan2: kind of |
| 20:08.56 | abrotman | godzirra: netstat -an |
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| 20:09.16 | godzirra | abrotman: what am I looking for? |
| 20:09.22 | abrotman | port 25 ? |
| 20:09.22 | godzirra | that generates a lot :) |
| 20:09.36 | pickcoder | godzirra: if you are sending out mail, where do bounces go? |
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| 20:09.43 | godzirra | It lists about 10 things on port 25. |
| 20:10.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 628] by debhelper |
| 20:10.26 | godzirra | LISTEN, SYN_RECV, ESTABLISHED, TIME_WAIT are the the things in the last column |
| 20:10.37 | godzirra | oops. Actually no. |
| 20:10.50 | godzirra | Just tcp 0 0 8.7.98.81:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN and tcp 0 0 8.7.98.81:25 82.13.64.24:1732 SYN_RECV |
| 20:11.04 | blondie | that's not localhost is it |
| 20:11.12 | godzirra | 8.7.98.81 is the local address. |
| 20:11.15 | abrotman | all hackers fire! |
| 20:11.27 | El|V\oNKo | hehe |
| 20:11.28 | blondie | it's not localhost |
| 20:11.29 | godzirra | hrm |
| 20:11.36 | godzirra | why does localhost not work but the ip address does? |
| 20:11.38 | El|V\oNKo | 0.0.0.0 = any Active ips |
| 20:11.43 | blondie | localhost is 1.2.2.7 |
| 20:11.43 | blondie | erm |
| 20:11.46 | El|V\oNKo | 127.0.0.1 = localhost |
| 20:11.48 | godzirra | I knwo |
| 20:11.50 | blondie | yes that. |
| 20:11.53 | El|V\oNKo | you do now |
| 20:12.07 | blondie | you've set it to listen only on your eth0 etc, not lo |
| 20:12.10 | godzirra | No, I knew that long before you said that :p |
| 20:12.16 | t1 | abrotman you here |
| 20:12.21 | t1 | my nameservers arent working for some reason |
| 20:12.24 | t1 | i can't figure out why :( |
| 20:12.32 | godzirra | blondie: where do I set that? |
| 20:12.34 | t1 | http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=dolox.com http://66.240.231.65/dolox.com.db |
| 20:12.38 | t1 | dolox.com at my domain registrar, has the nameservers pointing to ns1.zoneedit.com and ns12.zoneedit.com |
| 20:12.54 | t1 | but it says the nameservers are failing |
| 20:13.16 | El|V\oNKo | are those NSs athoritive? |
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| 20:13.23 | El|V\oNKo | authoritive |
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| 20:13.40 | blondie | in update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 20:13.56 | blondie | the "dc_local_interfaces" line |
| 20:14.03 | blondie | or run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 20:16.47 | jkenyon | Hey, I was wondering how one would disable an account in Debian so that they would get a message when they tried to log in via ssh. I know that /sbin/nologin and /etc/nologin.txt did this under older versions of Redhat, but these don't seem to be present on a vanillia install of Debian Sarge |
| 20:16.49 | abrotman | t1: do you run those DNS servers? are they the ones you want to sue ? |
| 20:16.51 | abrotman | use ? |
| 20:17.09 | abrotman | !find sbin/nologin sarge |
| 20:17.18 | rahul | iceweasel doesn't support ctrl-enter to open a site in a new tab?? |
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| 20:17.42 | godzirra | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 20:17.45 | Milardovich | hi! |
| 20:17.47 | abrotman | godzirra: fireall? |
| 20:17.51 | rahul | oh well. I can live without that |
| 20:17.53 | godzirra | No. Its not the firewall. |
| 20:17.53 | t1 | what do you mean |
| 20:17.54 | godzirra | I'm 100 |
| 20:17.55 | t1 | but authoritive |
| 20:17.56 | godzirra | % sure |
| 20:18.06 | godzirra | I turned off the firewall temporarily to check and there was no change. |
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| 20:18.27 | mijenix | hi |
| 20:18.40 | mijenix | is there who use debian on a linksys nslu2? |
| 20:19.17 | rahul | um this is retarded |
| 20:19.19 | t1 | abrotman |
| 20:19.23 | Milardovich | i have a web refer to linux, sory for my bad english |
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| 20:19.29 | t1 | i have an account with zoneedit |
| 20:19.31 | Milardovich | the url is www.milardovich.com.ar |
| 20:19.32 | rahul | "new pages should be opened in ... x a new tab" and what happens? I get a new window |
| 20:19.44 | rahul | !smite iceweasel |
| 20:19.48 | abrotman | Milardovich: and what ? |
| 20:19.48 | jkenyon | abrotman: there are no nologin files on the system, except in init.d, is there a package for that in apt? |
| 20:19.58 | abrotman | !find sbin/nologin sarge |
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| 20:20.05 | abrotman | bot died i think |
| 20:20.07 | unseensoul | hi |
| 20:20.11 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sbin/nologin' returned no results. |
| 20:20.17 | jkenyon | !find sbin/nologin sarge |
| 20:20.29 | pickcoder | godzirra: exim4 is not listening on localhost |
| 20:20.29 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sbin/nologin' returned no results. |
| 20:20.39 | godzirra | pickcoder: how do I fix that? |
| 20:20.40 | pickcoder | godzirra: otherwise you would see *:25 instead of <ip>:25 |
| 20:20.43 | mijenix | any? |
| 20:20.47 | abrotman | jkenyon: you can set their shell to false .. or lock their passwd ? |
| 20:20.47 | pickcoder | I don't know I run postfix |
| 20:20.52 | t1 | abrotman |
| 20:21.00 | abrotman | t1: what? |
| 20:21.14 | jkenyon | abrotman: I currently am setting them to /bin/false, but I want them to get a message if they try to log in |
| 20:21.15 | abrotman | t1: we can't help you if zoneedit.com can't keep dns servers running |
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| 20:21.24 | t1 | i have a 3 ips on my box 66.240.231.65 is the main up which is dolox.com then i have 66.240.231.91 and 66.240.231.92 on this same box |
| 20:21.33 | godzirra | how do I reconfigure it? |
| 20:21.35 | abrotman | jkenyon: you could write your own uhm shell-ish thing i guess ? |
| 20:21.39 | godzirra | via dpkg? |
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| 20:21.44 | abrotman | !drec |
| 20:21.45 | t1 | i wants 91 and 92 to be my nameservers, would would be ns1.dolox.com (66.240.231.91) and ns2.dolox.com 66.240.231.92 |
| 20:21.48 | pickcoder | godzirra: does ifconfig show "lo" ? |
| 20:21.55 | pickcoder | (I would hope so...) |
| 20:21.56 | t1 | but i was getting the same error when i originally had them pointed to my box |
| 20:21.57 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure exim-config or whatever it is |
| 20:22.00 | t1 | it was saying lame nameservers |
| 20:22.07 | jkenyon | abrotman: Well, its not too important, I can live with just /bin/false. I might hack a little shell... hehehe usermod -c cat |
| 20:22.15 | abrotman | t1: that's nice .. we still can't fix their nameservers |
| 20:22.24 | t1 | yeah but i mean my own nameservers |
| 20:22.27 | t1 | did you read what i said? |
| 20:22.27 | jkenyon | abrotman: thanks for the input |
| 20:22.50 | godzirra | pickcoder: yes. |
| 20:22.55 | t1 | i had dolox.com domain registrar name servers pointing to my server at the ips .91 and .92 which would be ns1.dolox.com and ns2.dolox.com |
| 20:23.03 | t1 | w/ the same error, how i can fix it if i point them back? |
| 20:23.07 | pickcoder | jkenyon: bash script with echo "go away" and then "exit"? |
| 20:23.52 | jkenyon | pickcoder: Thats what I was thinking... I've done something like that with python, I am not sure of the security ramifications though... |
| 20:24.03 | jkenyon | cool, thanks all |
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| 20:25.20 | groogs__ | does anyone know of a watchdog-type program that will periodically check to see if certain processes are running, and if not, start them (via /etc/init.d/) ? |
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| 20:25.41 | docelic | groogs__: many, such as mon or monit |
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| 20:27.13 | godzirra | ok wtf. |
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| 20:27.33 | ByRuSiTo | hi |
| 20:27.52 | godzirra | I rconfigured exim, and its now telling me this when I try and send something to my gmail account: myemail@gmail.com R=smarthost defer (-1): remote host address is the local host |
| 20:29.01 | abrotman | godzirra: are you google ? |
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| 20:29.26 | godzirra | abrotman: Not according to my pocketbook. |
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| 20:32.48 | pudo | hey all. which kernel should I use if I need software RAID (md)? do I need to regen an initrd? |
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| 20:38.12 | pickcoder | pudo: new install? |
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| 20:43.03 | pookey | hey all - for some reason my vim syntax highlighting isn't working under debian... anyone know why that mihgt be? |
| 20:43.07 | Guerin | pookey: you haven't set it up right |
| 20:43.15 | pookey | Guerin: my vimrc works fine under gentoo |
| 20:43.24 | amphi | pookey: :syn on doesn't work? |
| 20:43.37 | Guerin | but not under debian |
| 20:43.50 | blondie | if ":syn on" doesn't work, then it's probably your terminal settings |
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| 20:44.04 | Caelum | rxvt-unicode doesn't have 256 color support anymore :( |
| 20:44.05 | Guerin | for all I know gentoo builsa with -omg-fruitsalad |
| 20:44.23 | Guerin | Caelum: did it ever have more than 16? |
| 20:44.42 | pookey | blondie: thanks for the pointers, I'll see what I can find |
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| 20:45.09 | Caelum | Guerin: sure, it had 256 color mode for a while. It's 88 color now. xterm has 256 color mode support |
| 20:45.14 | Guerin | ah, worktime |
| 20:45.17 | Caelum | Guerin: makes vim look much nicer |
| 20:45.18 | Guerin | Caelum: hm, ok. |
| 20:45.36 | Guerin | i don't believe in having that many colours in a terminal |
| 20:45.47 | Guerin | but whatever wiggles your worm |
| 20:45.54 | Caelum | heh |
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| 20:46.41 | blondie | I wish irssi supported more colors |
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| 20:48.47 | abrotman | more than 256? |
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| 20:49.27 | blondie | abrotman: it only supports 16 doesn't it? |
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| 20:53.40 | abrotman | blondie: hell if i know .. i don't like colors |
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| 20:54.32 | sdubois92 | how do i check my video card to see what i need to put in when i install X |
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| 20:55.35 | amphi | sdubois92: lspci |
| 20:55.46 | pickcoder | beat me to it |
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| 20:56.12 | blondie | abrotman: well I do! :P |
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| 20:57.47 | seb- | please help! sound went out and don't know why...volume is on max |
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| 20:59.01 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
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| 20:59.04 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 20:59.04 | dpkg | alsa-checklist is, like, 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 20:59.57 | seb- | abrotman: beautiful |
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| 21:00.06 | sdubois92 | its a VGA compatable controller: s3 Trio 64 3d (rev 01) what should i choose when i install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:00.28 | Rprp | Hi, how can i update my server kernel to a SMP kernel? |
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| 21:00.45 | seb- | Rprp: not sure what you mean...just like any other kernel upgrade |
| 21:00.55 | Rprp | I want a SMP kernel. |
| 21:00.55 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 21:00.56 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
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| 21:01.01 | Rprp | But, how can i get it? :p |
| 21:01.08 | seb- | Rprp: so get it from kernel.org |
| 21:01.08 | abrotman | Rprp: which CPU which vresion of debian ? |
| 21:01.14 | abrotman | seb-: don't do that |
| 21:01.16 | seb- | Rprp: or apt-cache search linux |
| 21:01.28 | Rprp | doesnt work. |
| 21:01.32 | abrotman | Rprp: which CPU which vresion of debian ? |
| 21:01.34 | Rprp | abrotman: how can i get it? |
| 21:01.36 | Rprp | Check it* |
| 21:01.39 | Rprp | uname -a? |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | you don't know what CPU you have / |
| 21:01.44 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:01.51 | Rprp | i know |
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| 21:01.58 | Rprp | 2.8 dual core |
| 21:02.02 | Rprp | 2.8 ghz :x |
| 21:02.03 | abrotman | P4 ? |
| 21:02.08 | Rprp | err, dunno :p |
| 21:02.10 | abrotman | Opteron ? |
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| 21:02.21 | Rprp | how can i see it? :P |
| 21:02.28 | abrotman | Rprp: cat /etc/debian_version .. what does it say ? |
| 21:02.31 | bokey | itchi, yeah k-lined them. ban them. I don't have op there. |
| 21:02.41 | Rprp | dedi262:/home# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:02.41 | Rprp | 3.1 |
| 21:02.43 | hjiou | hi, i'm djalma |
| 21:02.53 | abrotman | Rprp: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
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| 21:03.07 | Rprp | are you sure? |
| 21:03.17 | abrotman | i've been doing this longer than you |
| 21:03.21 | Rprp | I tried it yesterday, but i failed, and the system is reinstalled :/ |
| 21:03.22 | hjiou | does someone want to talk to me? |
| 21:03.25 | Rprp | lol, oke :/ |
| 21:03.34 | abrotman | Rprp: then perhaps your system has other problems |
| 21:04.38 | Rprp | hmm. oke. |
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| 21:05.19 | Stevie-O | if abrotman says something, you'd best believe it |
| 21:05.26 | madclicker | how do i tell the "cp" command to exclude a directory? |
| 21:05.37 | Stevie-O | don't list that directory? |
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| 21:08.29 | seb- | abrotman: may i ask you a question?.....xmms play mp3s but google video doesn't have sound......i'm running esound but can't cat to /dev/dsp w/o getting /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy. |
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| 21:09.15 | _flamesrock_ | if I want to make the permission rw-r--r-- what permission number is that? |
| 21:10.37 | seb- | _flamesrock_: 644 |
| 21:10.49 | seb- | _flamesrock_: wanna know how it works? |
| 21:11.05 | _flamesrock_ | thanks seb-> |
| 21:11.06 | _flamesrock_ | sure |
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| 21:11.24 | seb- | _flamesrock_: think of it as 3 binary numbers....what is 110 100 100 ? :) |
| 21:11.41 | _flamesrock_ | ahhhhhh |
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| 21:11.51 | _flamesrock_ | I see I see |
| 21:12.00 | _flamesrock_ | 4-2-1 |
| 21:12.09 | phxheat | hi, i'm looking for a linux pro who knows who to setup a rails production server from scratch, if you know how to do this and have done it before, please MSG ME... thanks |
| 21:12.23 | raz0 | no.. 6 4 4 |
| 21:12.34 | Gathond | raz0: :) |
| 21:12.46 | seb- | raz0: he was saying the values of each bit |
| 21:12.48 | _flamesrock_ | lol not what I meant to say |
| 21:12.52 | _flamesrock_ | yeah haha |
| 21:13.14 | raz0 | ah |
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| 21:14.25 | heh_v_water | something a little weird happening I'm not sure how to deal with.. i have lineak running as well as lirc.. for some reason when I hit the chan+ button on my remote.. the lineak OSD comes up and increases my volume.. nothing is set in the lirc yet for the chan+ button.. |
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| 21:30.25 | Nippoo | could anyone compile the source code for this, please: http://www.promise.com/support/download/download2_eng.asp?category=driver&go=GO&os=100&productId=8 (I need to install Debian on my PC). |
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| 21:30.55 | solemnwarning | I have TV remote on a Compro DVB-T300 TV card |
| 21:31.27 | solemnwarning | When I use `showkey` all buttons trigger output, but `showkey -s` ignores some buttons |
| 21:31.34 | solemnwarning | Also, X ignores those buttons |
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| 21:31.47 | solemnwarning | How can the buttons have keycodes if they don't have scancodes? |
| 21:31.52 | pipeline | Nippoo: Promise distributes really, really old linux drivers. There is very probably a newer/better driver in the kernel. |
| 21:32.03 | Gathond | Nippoo: that is not as simple as you think, whomever compiled that source would need to do it to the exact same kernel source you are using for it to really work |
| 21:32.05 | karsten | groogs__: oinit |
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| 21:32.19 | lindenle | anyone know how to watch sendmail talk to a smarthost |
| 21:32.30 | karsten | Feh. |
| 21:32.45 | Gathond | hehe |
| 21:33.11 | Nippoo | pipeline: the problem is that it is, at heart, a software RAID card, and the Linux installer recognizes it as 2 disks. |
| 21:33.13 | Nippoo | and it won't boot as 2. |
| 21:33.36 | pipeline | Nippoo: Don't bother with the software-assisted RAID. Just use Linux software RAID. |
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| 21:34.17 | Nippoo | pipeline: yeah, but it won't boot. it just comes up with "GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB" etc, etc... and fills the screen |
| 21:34.18 | Nippoo | when I boot |
| 21:34.29 | pipeline | mm |
| 21:36.51 | sparr | I have an epson CX-5400 scanner(/printer/copier). SANE's website says its supported. Ive got all the sane packages installed. sane-find-scanner sees the scanner, but xsane and scanimage both cant see it (even while the backend debug output finds it). help? |
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| 21:43.49 | abrotman | karsten: upgrade to debian! |
| 21:44.00 | odin | hi all |
| 21:44.21 | buggarage | which is boosts pool library in debian, what's the name of it ? |
| 21:44.30 | abrotman | sparr: which version of debian ? |
| 21:44.32 | odin | how to add mod_actions in apache2 after install it ? |
| 21:44.36 | buggarage | 4.0 |
| 21:44.38 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to get my TV remote setup, it registers as a normal keyboard and most of the buttons work fine in X |
| 21:44.46 | solemnwarning | However, some of the buttons are ignored by the X server, and according to showkey they have keycodes but not scancodes, how the hell does that work? :\ |
| 21:44.56 | karsten | abrotman: Working on it. I've got an install on this box. |
| 21:46.10 | buu | Hrm. I've got a bizarre problem. Top shows me a load average of 1.0 and a CPU usage of 50%, but when I sort by 'CPU' in top, nothing shows up as using mor ethan 1% or so |
| 21:46.14 | karsten | abrotman: Very complex enterprise environment here is the main drag, getting dual-head (onboard + offboard display) going is the other. |
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| 21:46.27 | karsten | buu: You fail to understand loadavg. |
| 21:46.30 | odin | a2enmod mod_actions>>>This module does not exist! how to add it ? |
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| 21:46.34 | buu | karsten: This is possible. |
| 21:46.40 | buu | karsten: What does it mean then? |
| 21:46.47 | dondelelcaro | buu: it |
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| 21:46.54 | karsten | !load average |
| 21:46.54 | dpkg | load average is, like, the number of processes marked "runnable" (waiting for CPU), averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. |
| 21:47.02 | buggarage | is libboost providing everything what is in boost ? |
| 21:47.04 | dondelelcaro | buu: it's the number of processes that would like to run. |
| 21:47.15 | odin | please how to add mod_actins? |
| 21:47.21 | buu | dondelelcaro: But what about the CPU : 50% mesasure? |
| 21:47.21 | dondelelcaro | (includes processes in io wait too) |
| 21:47.23 | buu | *measure |
| 21:47.26 | odin | s/actins/actions/ |
| 21:47.40 | dondelelcaro | buu: that could be kernel threads; check for a process which is in D. |
| 21:47.49 | karsten | dpkg load average is also it's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for resources, eg: io, network socket responses. |
| 21:47.49 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 21:48.08 | buu | dondelelcaro: D? What is that? And how? |
| 21:48.14 | karsten | buu: You're in a much better position to determine that than we are. |
| 21:48.22 | buu | (As a note, I restarted apache2 and my load/cpu dropped back to normal) |
| 21:48.26 | karsten | buu: top, ps vmstat, iostat are your friends. |
| 21:48.37 | dondelelcaro | buu: IO Wait; for example, a slow disk, a single process blocking on some IO. |
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| 21:48.45 | dondelelcaro | buu: all of those can cause it |
| 21:48.57 | buu | dondelelcaro: They can all cause 50% cpu usage? |
| 21:49.06 | buu | Why would io blocking involve cpu usage? |
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| 21:49.19 | karsten | buu: You're in a much better position to determine that than we are (WRT 50% usage). |
| 21:49.33 | karsten | buu: You fail to understand load average (WRT blocking & CPU utilization). |
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| 21:49.47 | buu | karsten: We moved on. Not talking about load average any more. |
| 21:49.50 | karsten | buu: Stop asking stupid question and google, look through your processes. |
| 21:49.55 | dondelelcaro | karsten: relax |
| 21:49.57 | karsten | s/tion/tions/ |
| 21:49.58 | buu | karsten: Please try to keep up. |
| 21:50.27 | dondelelcaro | buu: IDE i/o FE, sometimes involves the CPU; it could also be some transient process. [Not knowing what the ps output and top output are, it's hard to say for certain.] |
| 21:51.39 | buu | dondelelcaro: I will take a screen shot if it repeats. |
| 21:51.39 | buu | dondelelcaro: I will take a screen shot if it repeWhich I'm sur eit will. |
| 21:51.54 | buu | apache2-- #Making my load average increase. |
| 21:52.13 | polpak | buu: http://www.teamquest.com/resources/gunther/display/5/index.htm |
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| 21:54.28 | rgsteele | buu: I'm pretty sure the load average is cumulative. If it's been high for a long time, and then suddenly drops to 1%, you might not see the effects of that for awhile. |
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| 21:54.48 | buu | rgsteele: It isn't instant, but it will drop somewhat quickly. |
| 21:55.01 | rgsteele | It's like if you got straight A's all the way through college, and got an F in your last semester, your GPA is still like 3.999 |
| 21:55.03 | HyperDevil | im trying to make an incremental backup on debian with tar, but no success.. does somebody have a working commando? |
| 21:55.11 | buu | polpak: Sorry, what does that have to do with CPU us ? |
| 21:55.16 | karsten | HyperDevil: He's in Iraq. |
| 21:55.27 | rgsteele | karsten: lol |
| 21:55.35 | karsten | HyperDevil: find -mtime <spec> | tar <options> |
| 21:55.54 | karsten | HyperDevil: rsync might be your friend here. |
| 21:55.58 | polpak | buu: it has to do with what load average means |
| 21:56.06 | buu | polpak: Um. Ok. |
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| 21:56.16 | rgsteele | buu: Does what I said make sense? |
| 21:56.34 | buu | rgsteele: Yes, but it goes much faster tahn you seme to think it does |
| 21:56.37 | polpak | buu: load average is a much better metric than cpu utilization for determining "load" on a system |
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| 21:56.58 | karsten | !lose po |
| 21:56.58 | dpkg | po: You Lose. |
| 21:57.02 | HyperDevil | karsten: iraq? well, im just taking a backup every night to a usb disk, and i want to do this with tar, but --newer does not work.. |
| 21:57.08 | karsten | !lose polpak |
| 21:57.08 | dpkg | polpak: You Lose. |
| 21:57.24 | karsten | HyperDevil: use 'find' to generate a file list |
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| 21:57.48 | polpak | karsten: I care.. really. |
| 21:57.49 | HyperDevil | karsten: why should i do that, i tar can do that automaticly? |
| 21:57.52 | karsten | HyperDevil: find's '-mtime' argument (modification time, in days) is your friend. |
| 21:57.57 | karsten | HyperDevil: Um. Because it works. |
| 21:58.18 | HyperDevil | karsten: and then? |
| 21:58.33 | HyperDevil | haha |
| 21:58.37 | rgsteele | !smite karsten |
| 21:59.05 | rgsteele | Hehe |
| 21:59.30 | rgsteele | Okay, well it's Friday and this week really wiped me....I'mma head home. Have a good night folks. |
| 21:59.38 | HyperDevil | karsten: ok i have the list.. what now? |
| 22:00.14 | HyperDevil | the total raid set is 55 terrabytes |
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| 22:00.36 | HyperDevil | aka the server has that disk space |
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| 22:00.44 | karsten | HyperDevil: http://www.google.com/search?q=incremental+backup+tar+find+mtime&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&num=100&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 22:00.46 | hmm | hello all |
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| 22:01.00 | emss | hi |
| 22:01.00 | karsten | HyperDevil: $0.50 for generating your Google search for you. |
| 22:01.12 | hmm | have a small problem installing the current nvidia drivers, :) |
| 22:01.18 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 22:01.18 | HyperDevil | karsten: cash or diskspace? |
| 22:01.19 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia was DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists Intell now provides spec'd accelerated GPUs. |
| 22:01.28 | karsten | HyperDevil: Eggs. |
| 22:01.33 | hmm | <- using custom compiled kernel |
| 22:01.48 | emss | hmm use debian way to build kernel and nvidia module :) |
| 22:02.07 | hmm | glxinfo name of display: :0.0 Segmentation fault |
| 22:02.12 | hmm | ??? |
| 22:02.14 | hmm | wt.. |
| 22:02.38 | emss | hi |
| 22:03.20 | emss | is there a way I can install Debian on another hard drive from another Debian installation? |
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| 22:03.53 | enyc | emss: I think taht is debootstrap ? |
| 22:03.59 | enyc | emss: bit I could be wrong |
| 22:04.04 | karsten | enyc: Appendix C4 of installation manual |
| 22:04.09 | emss | thanks |
| 22:04.23 | karsten | enyc: debootstrap or chroot. Maybe debtakeover as well. |
| 22:05.31 | hmm | strang thing i cant find any errors /var/log/Xorg.0..log does not show any errors... |
| 22:05.40 | hmm | *strange |
| 22:06.30 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 22:06.33 | enyc | karsten: hrrm idebtakeover does not seem to be a debian pkg |
| 22:06.59 | enyc | karsten: err, "debtakeover" even |
| 22:07.17 | karsten | enyc: It's an in-development project. GIYF. |
| 22:07.35 | Mazingaro | please I've got a question... Who's the man smoking the pipe in the x screensaver??? :) |
| 22:07.46 | amphi | bob? |
| 22:07.55 | Mazingaro | bob who? |
| 22:08.49 | amphi | Mazingaro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subgenius - that fellow? |
| 22:08.52 | karsten | Mazingaro: bob |
| 22:09.33 | Mazingaro | amphi: yeah almost him :) |
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| 22:10.20 | Mazingaro | karsten: but why do a screensaver with that guy? |
| 22:10.21 | enouf | microsoft bob? |
| 22:10.45 | karsten | Mazingaro: Because he is bob. |
| 22:10.53 | karsten | enouf: Microsoft Bob is not bob. |
| 22:10.56 | emss | why have libcaca? |
| 22:11.10 | karsten | enyc: AA? |
| 22:11.14 | enouf | yeah .. he's blob |
| 22:11.43 | karsten | Mazingaro: J.R. "Bob" Dobbs is bob. And this is OT. |
| 22:11.44 | enyc | karsten: "AA" not understood in this context |
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| 22:12.37 | karsten | enyc: ascii-art, the ascii video library. cacalibs IIRC is depended on by caca-utils. |
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| 22:14.02 | Mazingaro | karsten: slackware is involved? |
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| 22:14.10 | Mazingaro | karsten: is slackware involved? |
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| 22:14.49 | enyc | karsten: right... but the question make so sense in thes context |
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| 22:15.02 | karsten | Mazingaro: There is no slack. |
| 22:15.13 | enyc | karsten: "<karsten> enyc: Ascii-Arrt?" makes no sense |
| 22:15.18 | hmm | why does my xorg log stop suddenly end ? look here http://paste.uni.cc/12269 :'( |
| 22:15.23 | karsten | enyc: man aalib |
| 22:15.30 | karsten | enyc: or aptitude install bb; bb |
| 22:15.38 | numist | how do I rewrite the MBR on a drive? I just badblocked it, and had to repartition and readd to raid |
| 22:15.42 | karsten | enyc: The best explanation is a good example. |
| 22:15.44 | emss | caca-utils is nice |
| 22:15.45 | enyc | karsten: ive seem bb before ;-) |
| 22:15.52 | karsten | enyc: bb is aa |
| 22:16.00 | HyperDevil | how can i say to tar that it should be quiet? |
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| 22:16.10 | HyperDevil | its now listing folders/files |
| 22:16.19 | HyperDevil | -q does not work |
| 22:16.23 | karsten | HyperDevil: Lose the 'v' |
| 22:16.26 | enyc | karsten: i _know_ |
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| 22:16.41 | HyperDevil | woops :P /me stupid haha |
| 22:16.50 | karsten | enyc: Sorry, my mental telepathy link is down. |
| 22:16.55 | enyc | karsten: but I do _not_ understand why you say "enyc: AA?" in the furst place |
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| 22:17.02 | naitram | anyone tell me where to add redirects in the apache httpd.conf file |
| 22:17.07 | HyperDevil | Jepp there goes 30TB over the network haha |
| 22:17.07 | hmm | äHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPP! |
| 22:17.11 | hmm | http://paste.uni.cc/12269 |
| 22:17.14 | enyc | karsten: that much does not make sense |
| 22:17.15 | hmm | :p |
| 22:17.15 | karsten | enyc: cacalibs is part of the AA stuff. AA == AsciiArt |
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| 22:17.32 | enyc | karsten: I was not trying to ask you about cacalibs ;-) |
| 22:17.41 | emss | hmm I don't see antyhing bad |
| 22:17.48 | enyc | karsten: I thinxk you are muddling enyc with [Coosmebody else |
| 22:17.57 | amphi | hmm: would you give a brief description of your problem? |
| 22:18.10 | hmm | but why does my direct rendering not function? |
| 22:18.16 | karsten | enyc: Um. emss was the intended recipient of all that. |
| 22:18.30 | karsten | emss See what I've been blathering on about to enyc |
| 22:18.32 | amphi | hmm: what card and driver are you using? |
| 22:18.58 | hmm | asus ti 4400 with current nvidia drivers |
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| 22:19.02 | enyc | ;-) |
| 22:19.16 | amphi | hmm: blob drivers? |
| 22:19.22 | hmm | blob? |
| 22:19.52 | karsten | !blob |
| 22:19.52 | hmm | got the installer from nvidia.com |
| 22:19.52 | dpkg | methinks blob is a data type used in a relational database that can contain any type of binary data, including sound,video, graphics, etc. or a closed-source binary only driver that may not work properly or expose security threats that the community cannot fix. See: http://www.techspot.com/news/23217-nvidia-binary-linux-drivers-security-exploit.html |
| 22:19.56 | emss | karsten I know what libcaca aa bb are |
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| 22:20.15 | JordiGH | Okay, remember my longtime problem about being unable to see some webpages? |
| 22:20.22 | karsten | emss: I've just had that argument. Please submit a different one. |
| 22:20.24 | JordiGH | Only in Debian, but can see them in Windows? |
| 22:20.30 | hmm | amphi you know a good howto ? |
| 22:20.32 | JordiGH | Someone in #openbsd just solved it for me. |
| 22:20.44 | emss | karsten ? |
| 22:20.55 | karsten | emss: Invalid argument. |
| 22:21.02 | JordiGH | Turns out I had to turn off tcp_window_scaling by catting 0 to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling |
| 22:21.04 | emss | karsten ? |
| 22:21.04 | hmm | just tried to install the nvida drivers the easy way "nvidia installer" |
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| 22:21.15 | JordiGH | They also gave me something to read: http://lwn.net/Articles/92727/ |
| 22:21.17 | hmm | <- custom kernel xorg 7.1 |
| 22:21.18 | emss | hmm use the debian way |
| 22:21.18 | mo1991 | anyone help me get azureus up on debian etch? |
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| 22:21.29 | mo1991 | I have sun-java installed but azureus doesn't work |
| 22:21.32 | emss | JordiGH what was hte problem? |
| 22:21.41 | emss | or solution |
| 22:21.49 | JordiGH | Now, is there a way to do that permanently? Besides putting it into an init script. |
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| 22:22.03 | pipeline | JordiGH: sysctl.conf |
| 22:22.12 | karsten | JordiGH: Make that part of your network init scripts (/etc/init.d) or ifup (/etc/network/interfaces). |
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| 22:22.23 | karsten | JordiGH: ... or what pipeline said. |
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| 22:22.37 | JordiGH | emss: The problem was that a bunch of seemingly random websites I couldn't see. The solution was to turn off tcp_window_scaling. |
| 22:22.51 | hmm | please.. need a good unofficial howto nvidia custom kernel with xorg 7.1 |
| 22:22.55 | hmm | :) |
| 22:23.23 | JordiGH | pipeline: Is that a Debian-specific solution? There are a bunch of other people in this network who had the same problem in GNU/Linux. |
| 22:23.32 | amphi | hmm: no, I have an old radeon supported by xorg |
| 22:23.35 | emss | hmm aptitude install kernel-package and nvidia-kernel-source |
| 22:23.38 | karsten | JordiGH: You've been given three solutions. Pick one. |
| 22:23.54 | emss | hmm then read /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README... |
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| 22:24.20 | emss | and /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 22:24.20 | JordiGH | karsten: There's two I still need to understand. :-) |
| 22:24.20 | pipeline | JordiGH: I think Debian and Redhat both have sysctl.conf. I don't really worry about anything else. |
| 22:24.55 | karsten | pipeline: Can confirm RHEL4 |
| 22:25.07 | karsten | JordiGH: understand quietly. |
| 22:27.04 | emss | hmm it's very easy to do these two steps the Debian way, I just did them myself :) |
| 22:27.09 | emss | hmm for the first time |
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| 22:27.42 | hmm | ok ill give it a try :p |
| 22:28.15 | iturk | hi there everytime that we delete a file accidentally is there a way to recover it ?? |
| 22:28.29 | hmm | damn, just chucked my radeon for a geforce hoping it will be easier to install :)) |
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| 22:29.05 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:29.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 22:29.10 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 22:29.10 | dpkg | well, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 22:29.29 | seb- | abrotman: it appears firefox and local music player like xmms use DIFFERENT kernel modules?!?! |
| 22:29.44 | seb- | abrotman: alsa and alsa-oss iirc!???! |
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| 22:30.24 | karsten | iturk: Yes. |
| 22:30.27 | karsten | iturk: From backups. |
| 22:30.53 | abrotman | seb-: no ? |
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| 22:31.14 | abrotman | flash might use OSS .. i doubt FF cares |
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| 22:32.01 | jmd | Something keeps resetting the permissions on /dev/dsp (probably an alsa thing?) How can I keep the permissions to how I want them? |
| 22:32.06 | seb- | abrotman: ah...yea...i'm messing with flash so prolly oss.....pissing me off....how control oss module? |
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| 22:32.21 | surfbuddy | what does the error mean - devfs not mounted |
| 22:32.22 | seb- | abrotman: not sure alsamixer or kmix can do it |
| 22:32.33 | surfbuddy | error - umount:devfs: not mounted |
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| 22:33.34 | karsten | jmd: add your userid to the audio group. |
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| 22:36.01 | chuckkh | looking for help connecting to a Debian server from a WinXP wireless machine |
| 22:36.09 | chuckkh | both local, connected through a router |
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| 22:36.27 | jmd | karsten, That sucks. I have to add heaps of people to the audio group. |
| 22:36.27 | chuckkh | I can ping the server, but putty, putty -ssh, and pscp can't reach it |
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| 22:37.22 | karsten | jmd: for user in <list>; do adduser $user audio; done |
| 22:37.22 | chuckkh | connection times out on putty |
| 22:38.18 | jmd | karsten, All my users are on NIS. |
| 22:38.28 | iturk | karsten: well the file went mv to nothing and i didnt add time to backup it !! |
| 22:38.28 | abrotman | seb-: yes they do |
| 22:38.29 | jmd | (not on this machine) |
| 22:38.53 | karsten | chuckkh: echo 60 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl |
| 22:38.55 | chuckkh | windows telnet fails as well |
| 22:39.12 | karsten | iturk: You've learned a lesson. Don't forget it. |
| 22:39.22 | chuckkh | on windows client or linux server, karsten? |
| 22:39.30 | karsten | chuckkh: Local end of the connection. |
| 22:39.37 | chuckkh | both are local |
| 22:39.41 | karsten | chuckkh: This sends a keepalive ping every 60 seconds. |
| 22:39.49 | karsten | chuckkh: Then do the math. |
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| 22:40.43 | AllenJB | Hi. How do I get a list of files installed by a given package? |
| 22:40.52 | chuckkh | karsten: ok, so I'm sending a ping from the server |
| 22:40.54 | iturk | karsten: i have learn that i cannot thrust my fingers and that i should not use console to mv file from one place to another !! |
| 22:40.55 | karsten | AllenJB: man dpkg |
| 22:41.13 | karsten | iturk: Um. Wrong lesson |
| 22:41.14 | AllenJB | karsten: Thanks |
| 22:41.29 | chuckkh | karsten: because the client isn't linux |
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| 22:43.39 | karsten | chuckkh: The usual problem I've run into is firewalls which drop idle connections. The fix I gave you works for that, on Linux. I don't know the 'Doze equivalent. |
| 22:44.05 | karsten | chuckkh: It's also possible your SSH/Telnet server is dropping connections after a timeout. Refer to service docs for fix. |
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| 22:45.56 | mark_ | WHat is the start here icon for? |
| 22:46.30 | karsten | mark_: It kills kittens. |
| 22:48.06 | chuckkh | karsten: I turned off the firewall, I think, so maybe it is a timeout |
| 22:48.47 | chuckkh | karsten: the server is Debian, so maybe that would be under openssh-server docs? |
| 22:49.04 | karsten | chuckkh: An excellent inference. |
| 22:49.37 | Mazingaro | karsten: I thought it was a joke, but "bob" is a real "thing"... |
| 22:49.49 | karsten | Mazingaro: bob is not a joke. |
| 22:50.59 | Mazingaro | karsten: I see... so "bob" is a slackware screensaver and slackware is named for the real "bob"... |
| 22:51.12 | karsten | There is no slackware. |
| 22:51.24 | blondie | crackware |
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| 22:52.41 | kim0 | Hi, is there a way to make rsyncd modules for each user in /etc/passwd with adding them manually ? |
| 22:52.43 | chuckkh | can anyone tell me if there's a log showing sshd login attempts? |
| 22:52.56 | karsten | chuckkh: /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:53.32 | chuckkh | ty |
| 22:53.33 | Mazingaro | karsten: I can't believe: I mean I got these screensaver on my linuxbox for years thinking that man was someone involved in UNIX or linux scene and then today I found that he is only a clown... |
| 22:53.54 | karsten | Mazingaro: Bob has told me to terminate this discussion. |
| 22:54.08 | Mazingaro | karsten: :) |
| 22:54.45 | Mazingaro | buahha |
| 22:55.14 | t1 | can anyone help me with my nameservers issue? |
| 22:55.20 | Mazingaro | that's rich |
| 22:55.22 | karsten | t1: Just ask |
| 22:55.30 | Mazingaro | t1: bob said no! |
| 22:55.32 | t1 | http://dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=dolox.com http://66.240.231.65/dolox.com.db |
| 22:55.33 | t1 | dolox.com at my domain registrar, has the nameservers pointing to ns1.zoneedit.com and ns12.zoneedit.com |
| 22:55.40 | karsten | !tell t1 about paste |
| 22:55.47 | t1 | why do i need paste ? |
| 22:55.51 | t1 | im giving you a live url |
| 22:55.53 | Mazingaro | !tell about bob |
| 22:55.58 | t1 | http://66.240.231.65/dolox.com.db.txt |
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| 22:56.26 | karsten | t1: _I_ don't have time to dig into this. Someone might. If you flood more than 4 lines to channel you'll be kicked by a bot. Just FYI. |
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| 22:56.54 | chuckkh | apparently putty is trying to login as root |
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| 22:59.16 | t1 | chuckkh huh ? |
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| 22:59.25 | chuckkh | I see now in /var/log/messages that it did indeed log an inbound ethernet connection from the internal ip of the client to the internal ip of the server |
| 22:59.31 | seb- | abrotman: how make kmix 'switch' to alsa-oss? |
| 22:59.45 | nvz | chuckkh: putty logs in as whoever you type in the login |
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| 23:00.11 | chuckkh | nvz: well it must not be listening because I typed my userid |
| 23:00.40 | chuckkh | hmm |
| 23:01.14 | chuckkh | if that's the "auto-login username" field in the gui |
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| 23:01.53 | karsten | chuckkh: You can also run sshd in non-daemon mode, verbose. This runs a single instance, you can monitor what happens as a login is attempted. |
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| 23:03.41 | karsten | Hrm: can shebangs include environment? |
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| 23:03.48 | chuckkh | not a whole lot in the openssh-server readme |
| 23:03.54 | karsten | Eg: #!foo=bar /bin/bash |
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| 23:04.37 | karsten | Apparently not. |
| 23:04.42 | karsten | bash: bin/footest: foo=bar: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 23:04.46 | dondelelcaro | karsten: you use /bin/env to do that |
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| 23:05.36 | polpak | karsten: #!/usr/bin/env FOO="Bar" /bin/bash |
| 23:05.36 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Primer on that? |
| 23:05.36 | Stevie-O | #!/bin/env foo=bar /bin/bash |
| 23:05.37 | chuckkh | lol /usr/bin/sshd -D just hangs |
| 23:05.37 | Stevie-O | or something like that |
| 23:05.37 | chuckkh | I mean /usr/sbin/sshd -D |
| 23:05.37 | karsten | chuckkh: Now log in via ssh |
| 23:05.42 | karsten | chuckkh: It's not hanging. Its running non-daemonized. |
| 23:05.48 | chuckkh | yes I tried ssh |
| 23:05.55 | karsten | chuckkh: Until soemjthing talks to port 22, it deosn't do anything. |
| 23:06.14 | Tuttle_ | Sarge case: I don't know what changed, but my users now complain that when they run `quota', they get: "quota: Can't open quotafile /var/aquota.user: Permission denied". The trustworthy user say that `quota' command worked for him (a non-root user) months ago. Being root, I didn't change quotas IIRC. The /var/aquota.user now has -rw------- root:root permission, which is good as I see it -- no user can peek at other one's quotas. But how can I keep th |
| 23:06.14 | Tuttle_ | is permission and let users use `quota' command? |
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| 23:06.28 | chuckkh | thing is, there is no option for providing a password to putty |
| 23:06.37 | chuckkh | and it never asks for one |
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| 23:07.19 | karsten | chuckkh: PuTTY includes a commandline version. Try that, in verbose mode. |
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| 23:08.37 | chuckkh | the FAQ says: "Use the command line putty -ssh host.name" |
| 23:08.54 | chuckkh | don't no working |
| 23:09.13 | raf256 | installing -dbg only installs somewhere the debuging symbols (detached from binary?) and therefore it do NOT impact performance of using files/libs? |
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| 23:09.22 | karsten | chuckkh: When you turned off the firewall did you disable *all* traffic? |
| 23:09.26 | karsten | chuckkh: Seems like it. |
| 23:09.38 | karsten | chuckkh: I'm suggesting the putty CLI. |
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| 23:11.11 | karsten | chuckkh: Feh. maybe it doesn't. I usually use Cygwin's ssh client. |
| 23:11.11 | karsten | chuckkh: ... which is openssh. |
| 23:11.15 | chuckkh | karsten: I can access interweb from both machines |
| 23:11.29 | chuckkh | openssh is on the linux server |
| 23:11.37 | chuckkh | putty is on the windows client |
| 23:12.00 | chuckkh | I'd be using Linux for the client but none of the many drivers I've tried for the wireless card work yet |
| 23:12.29 | chuckkh | including the reverse-engineered one now in the kernel by default :( |
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| 23:13.17 | chuckkh | oh I get you sorry |
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| 23:13.37 | chuckkh | I can't find an option for turning off the putty gui |
| 23:13.44 | chuckkh | but putty should be gooey |
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| 23:13.52 | karsten | chuckkh: Yah, I didn't look hard but it's not obvious. |
| 23:13.55 | chuckkh | except I guess this time of year |
| 23:14.01 | rfrank | Has anyone here ever made debian into a live CD (using the slax scripts or other) |
| 23:14.03 | karsten | chuckkh: I think I *finally* get the pun. |
| 23:14.10 | sypie | heya. i'm trying to get a IT8212 raid controller to work with debain 3.1 |
| 23:14.23 | sypie | is there any package i can install with apt-get which has the modules needed? |
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| 23:15.08 | chuckkh | doesn't matter, putty -ssh -v chuckk@68.81.135.184 still just brings up a blank window and times out |
| 23:15.24 | sypie | insmod: error inserting 'iteraid.o': -1 Invalid module format |
| 23:15.27 | sypie | thats the error i get |
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| 23:15.36 | chuckkh | and nothing changes in the server sshd window |
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| 23:16.36 | karsten | dondelelcaro: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4819 |
| 23:16.48 | karsten | dondelelcaro: /bin/env w/ bash just hangs. |
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| 23:21.35 | chuckkh | what interval should I send keepalives if it the connection times out immediately? |
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| 23:21.50 | karsten | chuckkh: The problem isn't keepalives then. |
| 23:22.08 | karsten | chuckkh: The connection's never being established. A TCP dump should verify that. |
| 23:22.11 | chuckkh | what happens is that I run putty -ssh -pw *** chuckk@..... |
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| 23:22.25 | chuckkh | then I get a putty window with a green cursor that won't move or show anything no matter what I hit |
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| 23:23.15 | karsten | chuckkh: Try leaving it up for ~5 or ~10 minutes. Typical timeouts are 300 and 600 seconds. |
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| 23:24.02 | chuckkh | it times out after about 20 seconds |
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| 23:24.37 | jelly | chuckkh: do you have access to tcpdump or other sniffer at the server? |
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| 23:24.47 | chuckkh | ummm |
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| 23:25.30 | chuckkh | jelly: do now |
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| 23:26.07 | chuckkh | man, I have to go get royally fucked up in an hour |
| 23:26.22 | jelly | chuckkh: run tcpdump on it and verify that your packet are actually coming to the server |
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| 23:26.26 | chuckkh | well maybe "have to" is an exaggeration, "get to" is what I mean |
| 23:26.29 | karsten | chuckkh: We've all got our crosses to bear. |
| 23:26.43 | amphi | hey itchi |
| 23:26.44 | jelly | chuckkh: then do "telnet server 22" on the windows machine |
| 23:26.46 | krazykit | chuckkh: :-(, and i have to be dry for a month |
| 23:26.59 | itchi | Looks like debian won on the loto 6,979,907.00 (Six Million Nine Hundred and Seventy-nine Thousand, Nine hundred and Seven Pounds Sterling ) |
| 23:27.20 | chuckkh | jelly: Should I use -v? |
| 23:27.28 | chuckkh | oh wow it responded to that |
| 23:27.31 | chuckkh | neat |
| 23:27.44 | jelly | chuckkh: ok, so you have basic networking solved. |
| 23:28.37 | chuckkh | Hammertime is receiving stuff from UncleJesse |
| 23:29.06 | jelly | chuckkh: assuming it responded with a connection, not "Connection refused" which is also a response ;-) |
| 23:29.06 | chuckkh | so I guess the router is working fine |
| 23:29.06 | karsten | chuckkh: Confirm that you can ping servers both ways. |
| 23:29.06 | karsten | chuckkh: Could have miscoinfigured networking on either side. |
| 23:29.14 | karsten | chuckkh: ... which is why a netwrok traffic analyzer would be useful. |
| 23:29.19 | jelly | karsten: eh, if telnet works, obviously the connection works both ways |
| 23:29.38 | chuckkh | how do I know if telnet works? |
| 23:29.42 | karsten | jelly: Well, we didn't get specifics on how it worked... |
| 23:29.48 | jelly | chuckkh: did it connect? |
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| 23:29.53 | chuckkh | it says "could not open connection ..... port 22, connect failed" |
| 23:29.58 | jelly | chuckkh: hah |
| 23:29.58 | karsten | jelly: ... and it doesn't hurt to start with the basics. |
| 23:30.02 | karsten | !win me |
| 23:30.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:30.11 | rfrank | !win me |
| 23:30.14 | chuckkh | but I saw the name of the client streaming by from tcpdump |
| 23:30.20 | rfrank | Aww. |
| 23:30.26 | karsten | chuckkh: That tells you very, very little. |
| 23:30.35 | karsten | chuckkh: You want to see if the tcp connection's getting properly set up. |
| 23:30.42 | jelly | chuckkh: sure you did... did you also see a packet coming back from the server to the client? |
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| 23:30.48 | karsten | chuckkh: I don't have time to wlk you through this myself. |
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| 23:31.30 | chuckkh | karsten: understood; I don't have time to read 40 pages for one job, so hopefully someone will :) |
| 23:31.45 | chuckkh | win firewall disabled |
| 23:31.53 | karsten | chuckkh: If you'll provide the reasons, someone may provide the hours. |
| 23:31.59 | chuckkh | unless windows is...... lying to me??? |
| 23:32.11 | stoned | hi |
| 23:32.27 | karsten | chuckkh: link, net, route, resolution, port, connection, auth, traffic |
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| 23:32.40 | jelly | karsten: I'd settle for 100-150 greenish american reasons. |
| 23:32.51 | karsten | jelly: Sounds about rihgt. |
| 23:32.54 | karsten | right, even. |
| 23:33.02 | chuckkh | heh, maybe I should just use CDs to transfer the data |
| 23:33.14 | pickcoder | chuckkh: what are you trying to do? |
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| 23:33.32 | chuckkh | transfer > 9 gb |
| 23:33.34 | chuckkh | GB |
| 23:33.39 | jelly | chuckkh: do you have some sort of a firewall set up on the debian machine? |
| 23:33.51 | pickcoder | and that involves putty how? |
| 23:34.06 | amortvigil | help i just installed etchi server and i cant see my php files because it wants me to open a phtml file :S what to do? |
| 23:34.20 | chuckkh | pickcoder: putty logs into a server? |
| 23:34.32 | pickcoder | if you want to scp just download winscp |
| 23:34.39 | karsten | chuckkh: three minutes of verifying yuor network configs on both sides should resolve this for you. |
| 23:34.48 | pickcoder | unless your ssh is not configured properly |
| 23:34.54 | creature | Hi everyone. I'm having some troubles with a laptop - it's losing interrupts, I think. But I'm really not sure. http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-December/014727.html has the details. Any help? |
| 23:35.09 | karsten | pickcoder: If net is misconfigured, that won't matter. |
| 23:35.16 | chuckkh | karsten: as in, ping the client from the server |
| 23:35.23 | karsten | chuckkh: No. |
| 23:35.33 | karsten | chuckkh: As in: assess network and route configuration. |
| 23:35.52 | pickcoder | chuckkh: route |
| 23:35.52 | karsten | chuckkh: 'route -n; ifconfig -a' on the Liux side. ipconfig and route on widnows, though I forget the args. |
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| 23:36.31 | karsten | chuckkh: Also check your cabling. Crossover/straight network cable, hub/switch settings, etc. |
| 23:36.33 | jelly | ipconfig & route print (they might dump a lot of data) |
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| 23:36.56 | chuckkh | even though I can ping the server fine? |
| 23:37.04 | chuckkh | I mean none of that output told me anything new |
| 23:37.24 | pickcoder | what's old news may be wrong news |
| 23:37.37 | pickcoder | what do you have for IP, netmask, and gateway? |
| 23:37.38 | karsten | chuckkh: It's your problem. We're just trying to be methodological in helping you. |
| 23:37.44 | karsten | chuckkh: it's _not_ our problem. |
| 23:38.11 | chuckkh | (making a note that it's my problem) |
| 23:38.31 | jelly | chuckkh: ip addresses on both machines in the same network? netmask, default gateway are the same? |
| 23:38.56 | jelly | chuckkh: no funny MTA settings? |
| 23:39.11 | jelly | er, MTU |
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| 23:39.28 | chuckkh | netmask, gateway the same |
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| 23:40.17 | jelly | chuckkh: do you have any other tcp based service on the server? |
| 23:40.30 | chuckkh | internet |
| 23:40.34 | pickcoder | chuckkh: netstat -a | grep ssh |
| 23:41.03 | chuckkh | not sure how to read that |
| 23:41.11 | chuckkh | or if I should paste it |
| 23:41.20 | pickcoder | pastebin it |
| 23:42.42 | chuckkh | pastebin error lol |
| 23:42.50 | creature | Try pastie.caboo.se then. |
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| 23:43.55 | chuckkh | http://pastebin.ca/280532 |
| 23:44.10 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 23:44.18 | pickcoder | do you have IPV6 on your windows box? |
| 23:44.54 | chuckkh | not sure... |
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| 23:45.03 | chuckkh | thought that was standard |
| 23:45.08 | jelly | It isn't. |
| 23:45.11 | Inf3rn0[lt] | How can I check what IP my computer has? |
| 23:45.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:45.27 | pickcoder | you need ipv4 on your Debian box |
| 23:45.36 | streuner | infernix: ifconfig? |
| 23:45.39 | pickcoder | it should say tcp |
| 23:45.44 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: ifconfig? |
| 23:45.44 | pickcoder | instead of tcp6 |
| 23:45.59 | streuner | !nickometer Inf3rn0[lt] |
| 23:46.00 | dpkg | 'Inf3rn0[lt]' is 39.000% lame, streuner |
| 23:46.03 | pickcoder | unless you're using ipv6 on it |
| 23:46.10 | pickcoder | it = network |
| 23:46.14 | Inf3rn0[lt] | ipv4 ye |
| 23:47.19 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
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| 23:47.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd90 is <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there |
| 23:47.20 | chuckkh | I'm pretty close to some kind of threshold, and it's almost drunk time |
| 23:47.27 | chuckkh | thanks for all your assistance yall |
| 23:47.42 | chuckkh | I always find at least a few patient folks here |
| 23:48.01 | chuckkh | I think it will be quicker for me to use a 1 gig flash drive 10 times, lol |
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| 23:48.16 | tarzeau | chuckkh: people without life? |
| 23:48.23 | streuner | !wbr abrotman |
| 23:48.24 | tarzeau | hello abrotman - when speaking of them |
| 23:48.29 | chuckkh | tarzeau: that I couldn't tell you |
| 23:48.38 | streuner | heh |
| 23:48.45 | Inf3rn0[lt] | How do I "re get" info from the DHCP ? |
| 23:48.54 | chuckkh | but I do know many advanced linux users don't comprehend that most people use computers for an end that isn't computers |
| 23:49.07 | abrotman | hi |
| 23:49.11 | chuckkh | or comprehend but hold them in disdain |
| 23:49.19 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: what do you use, hardware-router? |
| 23:49.31 | chuckkh | thanks jelly and pick |
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| 23:49.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: eh? |
| 23:49.50 | streuner | abrotman: busy? |
| 23:49.53 | abrotman | why? |
| 23:49.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: are you home now, my friend? |
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| 23:50.02 | Inf3rn0[lt] | streuner: yes |
| 23:50.09 | streuner | well, i didn't see you that often lately... |
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| 23:50.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
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| 23:50.52 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: so there is no GUI where you could see the infos via browser? |
| 23:50.53 | abrotman | streuner: oh ... busy at work yeah .. xmas-related crap after work |
| 23:50.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got a great song for you |
| 23:51.01 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Nope |
| 23:51.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: okay? |
| 23:51.13 | j4cbo | how can i make alsa output to the analog and digital outputs simultaneously? |
| 23:51.21 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://cow.ethz.ch/LHS_ST.MOD but please play it with opencubicplayer |
| 23:51.30 | j4cbo | i.e. /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p and pcm2p |
| 23:51.45 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: and no telnet either, so you can use CLI ? |
| 23:51.46 | jelly | tarzeau: modplug not good enough? |
| 23:51.59 | Inf3rn0[lt] | On the router? |
| 23:52.01 | tarzeau | jelly: no |
| 23:52.03 | streuner | yes |
| 23:52.08 | tarzeau | jelly: you mean modplugplay? which i wrote? |
| 23:52.17 | jelly | tarzeau: yup |
| 23:52.19 | tarzeau | jelly: it's not a quality mixer |
| 23:52.21 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Well. I'm on my laptop. So I've got win32 running here.. |
| 23:52.27 | tarzeau | jelly: opencubicplayer has far better ones |
| 23:52.30 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: connect to the router via telnet and are able to use some commands |
| 23:52.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: wtf |
| 23:52.41 | tarzeau | jelly: and xmp/mikmod are much worse |
| 23:52.44 | streuner | oh dude |
| 23:53.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://cow.ethz.ch/LHS_HGT3.MOD is nice too |
| 23:53.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's midi or some crap |
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| 23:53.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: like midi with attached samples |
| 23:53.24 | creature | I'm having some troubles with a laptop - it's losing interrupts, I think. But I'm really not sure. http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-December/014727.html has the details. Any help? |
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| 23:53.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh and i've got ONE GREAT sid |
| 23:53.47 | abrotman | erm .. okay |
| 23:53.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://cow.ethz.ch/someday.sid |
| 23:53.57 | Inf3rn0[lt] | streuner ? |
| 23:53.59 | abrotman | wtf is a sid ? |
| 23:54.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: how do you like them? |
| 23:54.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: c-64? |
| 23:54.04 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: google for 'putty downloads' |
| 23:54.09 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:54.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: 3 channel, music! |
| 23:54.17 | Inf3rn0[lt] | I have putty. Thats what I'm using ffs |
| 23:54.28 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: and why are you here, if you don't have any debian related question? |
| 23:54.32 | jelly | tarzeau: eh, you really think a random person on irc would like C64 music? :-) |
| 23:54.51 | tarzeau | jelly: he is ABROTMAN, not a random person |
| 23:54.51 | Inf3rn0[lt] | I was asking how I could get my computer to re-register with the dhcp.. |
| 23:54.59 | Inf3rn0[lt] | The Debian computer... |
| 23:55.01 | pipeline | jelly: Dude, it's IRC. The odds are better than even. |
| 23:55.14 | streuner | omg |
| 23:55.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: i want a 5 pages essay about the music, by tomorrow |
| 23:55.50 | *** part/#debian __python__ (n=fireman@5ac1942d.bb.sky.com) |
| 23:55.51 | abrotman | ask stoned for one :) |
| 23:55.56 | tarzeau | stoned? |
| 23:56.04 | Inf3rn0[lt] | streuner, ? |
| 23:56.13 | streuner | !seem stoned |
| 23:56.21 | streuner | !seen stoned |
| 23:56.22 | dpkg | stoned is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 24m 12s, last said: 'hi'. |
| 23:56.32 | Inf3rn0[lt] | :p |
| 23:56.49 | *** join/#debian Kitu (n=aa@tga83-1-82-241-53-88.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:56.53 | jelly | tarzeau: hey, maybe _you_ might like some remixes of SIDs... http://remix.kwed.org/ |
| 23:57.03 | creature | Have you heard the stuff by Mesu Kasumai? |
| 23:57.05 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: are you trolling or what? read the manual of the router |
| 23:57.10 | tarzeau | jelly: but do you know #demoscene and www.maktone.tk ? |
| 23:57.20 | tarzeau | jelly: and i've got some adlib tune collection of several mb |
| 23:57.25 | jelly | tarzeau: I sure don't ;-) |
| 23:57.25 | creature | It's all done on an 8-bit synth, I think. May be 16 bit. But it's the same chip as comes from a SNES, IIRC. Well worth a listen. |
| 23:57.35 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Of the router? How the hell can that contain the command for getting Debian to refresh its dhcp settings? |
| 23:57.42 | tarzeau | creature: url? url! |
| 23:57.44 | tarzeau | !list |
| 23:57.44 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to tarzeau |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | creature: what makes you think IRQs are disappearing ? |
| 23:57.55 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: heh |
| 23:58.16 | *** join/#debian BabyBee (n=14116530@60.25.116.234) |
| 23:58.18 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: just /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 23:58.28 | *** join/#debian humboldt (n=elias@chello062178032026.11.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 23:58.39 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: ifdown -a ; ifup -a |
| 23:58.48 | *** part/#debian sid (n=unstable@glitchinthe.net) |
| 23:58.56 | jelly | tarzeau: try this for a laugh: http://www.c64.org/HVSC/VARIOUS/A-F/Agemixer/Freestyler.sid |
| 23:59.17 | Inf3rn0[lt] | Thank you |
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| 23:59.39 | creature | abrotman: Well, the error kernel error messages. Also, on bootup there was something on startup that said something about a problem with IRQ11. |
| 23:59.50 | creature | I can boot the laptop and look it up properly, if you want. |
