| 00:00.04 | abrotman | creature: what's the real issue ? |
| 00:00.05 | creature | tarzeau: I don't have it off the top of my head, but my spelling was accurate. Just what his name into Google. |
| 00:00.07 | tarzeau | jelly: you know which two tunes are my all time favourites? the floppi* ones at http://cow.ethz.ch/ |
| 00:00.20 | tarzeau | jelly: i've ascended nethack listening to those! and the music contest songs are great too |
| 00:00.21 | creature | abrotman: I want to load the hostap driver. |
| 00:00.34 | stoned | Official Drink of the Offical Nerd: GNU Cola |
| 00:00.36 | stoned | no? |
| 00:00.40 | tarzeau | jelly: many links to archives: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/modplugplay/ |
| 00:00.40 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: why do you want 'refresh' those setting anyway? |
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| 00:00.51 | stoned | Open Source carbonated drink |
| 00:01.11 | stoned | thats good man, I'm a fucking genius. GNUCola |
| 00:01.12 | Inf3rn0[lt] | 'cus my router decided to assign a different IP to the server, and all the port forwards went gah |
| 00:01.20 | stoned | bbl |
| 00:01.34 | abrotman | creature: so it loads ? but says an IRQ is disabled ? |
| 00:01.38 | creature | tarzeau: A fellow called lo-bat does soem stuff that's definitely 8 bit. Uses a gameboy synth. Not all that melodic in places, though. |
| 00:02.08 | tarzeau | creature: yeah i love 8bit, mono, 8khz music. especially the arpeggio, without filters, bare, minimum, chipsongs |
| 00:02.12 | streuner | Inf3rn0[lt]: look at the config file of dhclient |
| 00:02.22 | creature | abrotman: I'm not sure, to be honest. I was going to say no, but then if it didn't, I wouldn't have had to remove it beforehand, would I? |
| 00:02.29 | creature | That's me thinking out loud, by the way. It's not sarcasm. |
| 00:02.42 | creature | So it may load, but it's not working properly, I'd wager. |
| 00:02.42 | abrotman | smells like sarcasm! |
| 00:03.07 | stoned | abrotman, thank god at least it doesn't smell like teen spirit |
| 00:03.12 | creature | Maybe it loads, but doesn't work. |
| 00:03.17 | stoned | another nirvana faggot at work and i'll kill him. |
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| 00:03.28 | jelly | tarzeau: heh. Golden Axe for DOS had 3-channel midi player on pc-speaker, you would have liked that. |
| 00:03.33 | abrotman | stoned: watch those slurs |
| 00:03.38 | stoned | oh |
| 00:03.40 | streuner | heh, i thought those would themselfs anyway :-) |
| 00:03.42 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:03.43 | tarzeau | jelly: i HATE pc-speaker. and IBM, and SUN |
| 00:03.43 | t1 | hey for some add reason when i try to type: ifconfig add eth0 66.240.231.91 i get: eth0: Host name lookup failure |
| 00:03.44 | creature | Oh good, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. |
| 00:03.50 | abrotman | stoned: i don't like nirvana either :) |
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| 00:03.56 | t1 | can anyone point me in the right direction to fixing this problem? |
| 00:04.09 | sypie | hey, which package do i need to install for "pkpg" ? |
| 00:04.10 | stoned | abrotman, what should I replace the word fagot with |
| 00:04.17 | jelly | tarzeau: but it arpeggioed at some 200Hz to play the music! :-) |
| 00:04.21 | stoned | I can't think of another non offensive derogatory term |
| 00:04.22 | abrotman | !tell sypie about search |
| 00:04.22 | streuner | abrotman: some songs aren't bad, but when he sang 'Give me a gun' i have a wish then ;-) |
| 00:04.29 | tarzeau | jelly: tasteless sick |
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| 00:04.42 | tarzeau | jelly: pc-speaker is shit. btw i've got an 8bit isa adlib card |
| 00:04.47 | abrotman | stoned: duh |
| 00:04.57 | stoned | abrotman, then whats your point |
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| 00:05.05 | abrotman | stoned: just don't use them ? |
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| 00:05.12 | creature | abrotman: If I power up the laptop, will you lend me a hand? |
| 00:05.22 | stoned | abrotman, I can't say that word? |
| 00:05.23 | abrotman | creature: i don't know anything about hostap .. but i can try |
| 00:05.24 | sypie | You have searched for packages that names contain make-kpkg in suite(s) stable, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 00:05.24 | sypie | Can't find that package, at least not in that suite and on that architecture. |
| 00:05.25 | tarzeau | creature: what will you do with his hand? |
| 00:05.35 | creature | tarzeau: If he buys me dinner first, anything he wants. |
| 00:05.36 | streuner | haha |
| 00:05.41 | abrotman | stoned: how would you feel? |
| 00:05.43 | tarzeau | creature: dandle your pussy? |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | sypie: what program are you looking for ? |
| 00:05.54 | jelly | tarzeau: I my time we had hand-made covox speech thingies (8-bit DAC on parallel port) are we were happy with them! |
| 00:05.54 | stoned | abrotman, if I was a faggot? Honored, at least they mentioned me |
| 00:06.05 | stoned | abrotman, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I fail to see your point |
| 00:06.06 | jelly | tarzeau: not some fancy adlib hardware |
| 00:06.13 | creature | abrotman: Well, I think this is more of a generic IRQ-issue, and not specific to hostap. |
| 00:06.14 | abrotman | stoned: seems to be a pattern |
| 00:06.14 | stoned | unless administration banned the use of that term |
| 00:06.15 | tarzeau | jelly: omg i remember those! |
| 00:06.20 | sypie | im trying to run "fakeroot make-kpkg" |
| 00:06.24 | abrotman | !tell stoned about gay |
| 00:06.30 | tarzeau | sypie: make-kpkg has an optionf for that |
| 00:06.43 | stoned | abrotman, projection. No matter, you deal with life how you will, and I will do so myway |
| 00:06.44 | sypie | its not installed though |
| 00:06.49 | abrotman | package is kernel-package |
| 00:06.56 | sypie | cheers mate :) |
| 00:07.02 | abrotman | stoned: that's fine .. don't do it here |
| 00:07.16 | stoned | stop me or shut it |
| 00:07.21 | stoned | have a good one |
| 00:08.11 | creature | Hmm. Not sure I saw the IRQ issue on this boot. |
| 00:08.26 | stoned | I got sarge running on my powerbook, I'm so happy |
| 00:08.27 | abrotman | stoned: would you like to be stopped ? |
| 00:08.32 | stoned | abrotman, sure |
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| 00:08.45 | abrotman | stoned: you'd like to be banned for using slurs ? |
| 00:08.50 | stoned | abrotman, sure |
| 00:08.54 | abrotman | idiot |
| 00:09.01 | stoned | whatever you say buddy |
| 00:09.08 | streuner | wth are 'slurs'? |
| 00:09.13 | abrotman | !dict slur |
| 00:09.18 | dpkg | Dictionary 'slur' (4 of 19): (music) a curved line spanning notes that are to be played legato ;; . Slur \Slur\, n. 1. A mark or stain; hence, a slight reproach or disgrace; a stigma; a reproachful intimation; an innuendo. ``Gaining to his name a lasting slur.'' --South. ;; 2. A trick played upon a person; an imposition. [R.] ;; 2. To disparage; to traduce. --Tennyson.. |
| 00:09.18 | jelly | abrotman: gaay |
| 00:09.22 | abrotman | streuner: derogatory terms |
| 00:09.27 | tarzeau | stoned: could you try opencubicplayer on your ppc? |
| 00:09.40 | stoned | tarzeau, ahh, its not up and running at the moment |
| 00:09.59 | stoned | tarzeau, if you give me an hour or two i'll get it hooked up and let you know |
| 00:10.07 | abrotman | jelly: ? |
| 00:10.08 | tarzeau | stoned: would be great, yes |
| 00:10.09 | stoned | what is opencubicplayer? plays what? |
| 00:10.12 | tarzeau | stoned: got sid? |
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| 00:10.17 | stoned | tarzeau, sarge |
| 00:10.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's in etch too |
| 00:10.18 | streuner | abrotman: there is a german speak, don't throw stones if you sit in the glasshouse... ;-) |
| 00:10.21 | stoned | sid on my non-ppc |
| 00:10.24 | tarzeau | stoned: midi, mods, ogg, mp3, sid, adlib tunes, wav |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | streuner: hehe |
| 00:10.36 | stoned | tarzeau, nice, footprint? |
| 00:10.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: old version, only i386 |
| 00:10.42 | tarzeau | stoned: what's a footprint? |
| 00:10.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: memory footprint |
| 00:10.48 | stoned | tarzeau, how taxing on the system |
| 00:10.57 | creature | "Complete the phrase: 'People in glass houses shouldn't...'" "Actually, that one's complete as it stands." |
| 00:11.00 | stoned | tarzeau, keep in mind its a powerbook 3400c, from like 1997 |
| 00:11.04 | sypie | im trying to install a module for a it8212 raid card |
| 00:11.12 | tarzeau | stoned: that's fine, it run on my ultra5 at work |
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| 00:11.17 | stoned | wow |
| 00:11.21 | jelly | abrotman: Well, he only mentioned the faggot word once, you might be spending more time on it than really necessary... |
| 00:11.23 | sypie | but i've been reading that i can only use 2.6.11 kernel with ac patch |
| 00:11.24 | tarzeau | stoned: it's software for dos in 1994, which run fine on 486 computers |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | stoned: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4&mode=related&search= |
| 00:11.36 | tarzeau | stoned: meaning yours is a supercomputer |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | jelly: twice |
| 00:11.45 | stoned | jelly, let it go man, let him lecture |
| 00:11.49 | sypie | is there any debian package i can install using apt-get .. ? or do i have to rebuild the kernel? |
| 00:12.02 | abrotman | jelly: if he wants to be an asshole to everyone, that's his perogative i suppose |
| 00:12.06 | stoned | jelly, if he wishes to continue this argument, I want to part of it |
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| 00:12.18 | stoned | abrotman, don't flatter yourself. You're not 'everyone' |
| 00:12.37 | stoned | abrotman, this is entirely too OT. take your problems elsewhere |
| 00:12.38 | abrotman | so it's okay to use derogatory terms? |
| 00:12.40 | stoned | anyway |
| 00:12.53 | abrotman | biggots suck |
| 00:12.54 | stoned | tarzeau, what ultra5 specs do you have |
| 00:12.56 | stoned | what you got? |
| 00:13.00 | jelly | abrotman: it's not like he's going to watch his language from now on, this _is_ a repeated issue. |
| 00:13.06 | tarzeau | stoned: http://cow.ethz.ch/cpuinfo.txt |
| 00:13.10 | abrotman | jelly: perhaps he should be banned ? |
| 00:13.26 | tarzeau | stoned: i've also got some non-ultras at home, and a ultra2. few alphas, a g3 ppc, hppa |
| 00:13.32 | stoned | wow |
| 00:13.36 | stoned | thats some gear man |
| 00:13.38 | tarzeau | oh and mips |
| 00:13.44 | jelly | abrotman: perhaps, or perhaps one might tolerate of ignore one's quirks |
| 00:13.46 | stoned | what are you like 90? |
| 00:13.47 | stoned | lol |
| 00:13.49 | stoned | j/k |
| 00:13.52 | tarzeau | stoned: age? 28 |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | jelly: so you're okay with what he said ? |
| 00:15.02 | Ronin | jelly: there is a way to fix it |
| 00:15.15 | stoned | abrotman is just pissed off at me cuz I called him out in #debian-offtopic, we both play guitar, I produced my tracks, they rock, abrotman sucks at guitar and hes pissed. he is finding ways to be an asshole to me and bring offtopic shit from that other channel here. I don't fucking care. abrotman: let it go |
| 00:15.29 | stoned | geez |
| 00:15.31 | Ronin | then keep it in #debian-offtopic |
| 00:15.34 | abrotman | dude .. noone cares how bad your guitar playing is |
| 00:15.36 | stoned | im out this is too much stupid drama for me |
| 00:15.41 | abrotman | and i certainly don't |
| 00:15.42 | stoned | im out |
| 00:16.01 | Ronin | hell you both kick my ass at guitar, course ive kissed girls |
| 00:16.02 | creature | I don't want to drag this out any more than necessary, but I really think you shouldn't use "faggot" as a derogatory term. |
| 00:16.15 | abrotman | creature: that's a no duh for intelligent people |
| 00:16.16 | jelly | abrotman: no, I'm just saying this is not the first time I've seen stoned use homophobic language, but a) it's probably not going to change, b) he doesn't respond well to your attitude |
| 00:16.17 | tarzeau | i have a guitar too |
| 00:16.22 | tarzeau | stoned: abrotman wants my guitar |
| 00:16.34 | stoned | tarzeau, :) |
| 00:16.36 | tarzeau | i can play a children song! |
| 00:16.36 | abrotman | jelly: he's not very bright .. we've covered this |
| 00:16.39 | creature | Anyway. It looks like my IRQ thing was a temporary issue; maybe caused by flashing the card and doing a warm reset left the BIOS a bit confused. On this boot, it works fine. |
| 00:16.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: that's because you don't play it .. at all AFAIK |
| 00:16.52 | creature | So, how do I get from this state to something that lets me use my wifi? |
| 00:16.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: I PLAY IT |
| 00:16.53 | stoned | tarzeau, he collects them, I play them. You notice the personal attacks on my intelligence now? |
| 00:16.55 | stoned | heh |
| 00:16.55 | streuner | abrotman: he is GREAT! |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you take it to the luthier ? |
| 00:17.02 | stoned | wow, here come more personal attacks |
| 00:17.05 | karsten | tarzeau: abrotman ... |
| 00:17.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: man i was dating some girls. |
| 00:17.16 | Ronin | ahh thats better |
| 00:17.25 | tarzeau | karsten? |
| 00:17.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: did you take it yet? |
| 00:17.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: no |
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| 00:17.33 | stoned | Friday night in #debian and stoned is giving free popcorn |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | bastard |
| 00:17.35 | stoned | any takers |
| 00:17.36 | karsten | tarzeau: OT |
| 00:17.36 | stoned | :) |
| 00:17.43 | tarzeau | karsten: DAMN. it's weekend |
| 00:17.56 | karsten | tarzeau: OT and stop rubbing it in. |
| 00:18.05 | abrotman | stoned: did you watch that movie ? |
| 00:18.06 | jelly | stoned: this whole scenario _could_ be averted if you cared to watch the language a bit, ya know ;-) |
| 00:18.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: which movie? |
| 00:18.34 | stoned | jelly, sure mate. I'll refrain from that then. Thanks for bringing it to my attention in a civil manner |
| 00:18.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: scroll up |
| 00:18.40 | stoned | jelly, I appreciate it |
| 00:18.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: had you seen city of god? |
| 00:18.49 | abrotman | jelly: see .. he's an ass :) |
| 00:18.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: part of it |
| 00:19.17 | stoned | see, where abrotman takes it me being an ass, jelly probably think im sincere about it, which is actually the case |
| 00:19.24 | stoned | abrotman, why don't you just /ignore me |
| 00:19.25 | karsten | tarzeau: stoned: abrotman: stoned: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:19.25 | jelly | abrotman: Sure, but a good ass-master (moderator) can use both the stick and the carrot. |
| 00:19.27 | stoned | be done with it |
| 00:19.32 | stoned | karsten, im done |
| 00:19.34 | abrotman | jelly: use the stick! |
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| 00:19.39 | Ronin | kids take it elsewhere |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | karsten: he won't go in there .. he's scared :) |
| 00:19.53 | karsten | abrotman: OT |
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| 00:20.06 | stoned | abrotman, im not scared, you're just low, you threaten to ban people who disagree with you |
| 00:20.09 | stoned | fuck it |
| 00:20.14 | stoned | im done |
| 00:20.22 | stoned | anyway |
| 00:20.22 | abrotman | no .. you didn't stick around .. it was a joke .. idiot |
| 00:20.39 | stoned | whatever |
| 00:20.42 | karsten | !ops stoned abrotman tarzeau enough already |
| 00:20.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: stoned abrotman tarzeau enough already |
| 00:20.46 | tarzeau | stoned: man, haven't you seen abrotman photos with umbrella? |
| 00:20.52 | Ronin | jesus either get a room you two or take it elsewhere |
| 00:20.56 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:21.04 | streuner | karsten: wth |
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| 00:21.14 | tarzeau | streuner: he's pissed that he can't have fun |
| 00:21.22 | stoned | karsten, that was uncalled for man |
| 00:21.23 | tarzeau | streuner: jealous like some chick |
| 00:21.49 | stoned | streuner, sorry mate, didn't get a chance to thank you. I believe you like my music. Nice to know, thanks :) |
| 00:21.52 | tarzeau | streuner: see we're same far like yesterday |
| 00:22.02 | tarzeau | stoned: got it as mp3? |
| 00:22.02 | streuner | karsten: waking up ops in order to regular regulars isn't wise. |
| 00:22.09 | Ronin | karsten: try again till one wakes up |
| 00:22.15 | stoned | tarzeau, of course. Mind if I msg you |
| 00:22.16 | abrotman | streuner: he's perfectly justified |
| 00:22.20 | tarzeau | stoned: nope |
| 00:22.29 | stoned | tarzeau, thanks |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | sypie: there are source packages .. apt-cache search kernel source |
| 00:23.07 | Ronin | streuner: why not? the why theyre behaving tonight? |
| 00:23.13 | Ronin | the way even |
| 00:23.18 | streuner | who cares |
| 00:23.24 | abrotman | damn it! |
| 00:23.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've had plenty enough beers |
| 00:23.34 | Ronin | streuner: we all should |
| 00:23.41 | Ronin | abrotman: i have enough to share ;p |
| 00:23.47 | streuner | Ronin: that goes away |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:23.58 | Ronin | you want a stout a porter, a bitter? |
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| 00:24.22 | abrotman | Ronin: i had a *super* yummy buffalo belgium stout last weekend |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | Ronin: Pater IIRC |
| 00:24.35 | stoned | abrotman, lucky bastard |
| 00:24.40 | Ronin | abrotman: nice |
| 00:24.45 | stoned | I haven't had anything but fast food in like weeks |
| 00:24.46 | stoned | :( |
| 00:25.04 | abrotman | stoned: not just that .. one of the other guys picked up the whole tab .. i'd guess it was $200+ |
| 00:25.09 | stoned | damn |
| 00:25.15 | stoned | LUCKY mofo |
| 00:25.23 | stoned | abrotman, have I told you I hate you yet |
| 00:25.23 | stoned | :( |
| 00:25.31 | creature | Pardon my noobism, but what is 802.11i? |
| 00:25.42 | stoned | a/b/g/ is what I know of, and now N |
| 00:25.44 | stoned | never heard of i |
| 00:25.47 | abrotman | creature: MuniFi ? |
| 00:26.06 | creature | I don't know what that is, abrotman, so I'm guessing not. |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WPA2 |
| 00:26.07 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:26.21 | creature | I see. |
| 00:26.30 | pipeline | abrotman: Where the heck are you finding rare import stouts on tap |
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| 00:26.40 | abrotman | pipeline: i live in a good town :) |
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| 00:26.50 | abrotman | pipeline: it's not just that restaurant .. we've got quite a few in/around philly |
| 00:27.00 | pipeline | abrotman: damn your major metropolitan areas |
| 00:27.02 | Marupa | is there any way to figure out what apt packages are installed so I know which ones I can uninstall? |
| 00:27.13 | abrotman | pipeline: Flying Pig, The Drafting Room, Eulogy, Monk's Cafe |
| 00:27.14 | Marupa | ran out of room on my root partition. |
| 00:27.17 | stoned | I gotta go drop the kids off at the pool |
| 00:27.21 | abrotman | !installed |
| 00:27.21 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 00:27.28 | abrotman | pipeline: you have Ram :) |
| 00:27.44 | abrotman | !tell Marupa about deborphan |
| 00:27.57 | pipeline | abrotman: Oh, screw that. I have the Heorot. (But as good as their beer selection is, they keep very, very few stouts on tap.) |
| 00:28.05 | Marupa | Thank you, abrotman. |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | pipeline: http://draftingroom.com/exton/ex_beer.html .. about 30 minutes from my place |
| 00:28.59 | abrotman | pipeline: also http://draftingroom.com/exton/ex_keg_counter_2006.html |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | flying pig is about 30 too |
| 00:30.30 | heh_v_water | if I wanted to simulate say the tab key being pressed in console is that possible? |
| 00:30.56 | pipeline | abrotman: I live about five minutes from a bar with a selection that good :D |
| 00:31.04 | pipeline | abrotman: However, it's a total dive and you can't very well eat dinner there :( |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | pipeline: i guess i could move :) |
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| 00:32.19 | jelly | Marupa: if /var is on the same partition, you can do apt-get autoclean or even apt-get clean to delete some/all packages that apt downloaded |
| 00:32.47 | Marupa | already did so. 60MB left @.@ |
| 00:32.49 | abrotman | pipeline: btw .. don't go to the olive garden :) |
| 00:33.06 | abrotman | Marupa: if you don't value logs .. you could remove the zipped archive logs in /var/log/ |
| 00:33.13 | pipeline | abrotman: Why in god's name would I go to an olive garden? Being under 55, I've never been tempted. |
| 00:33.15 | Marupa | hmmm, could just move them to my other drive... |
| 00:33.29 | Marupa | 200GB of space, barely being used. |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | pipeline: i was joking .. one in NE Indianapolis made about 300 sick :) |
| 00:33.47 | jelly | Marupa: if /tmp is the same part, check for any deleted files still held by running processes... lsof |grep deleted |
| 00:33.59 | Marupa | thanks |
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| 00:34.25 | Alexismoy | Hi |
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| 00:35.22 | Alexismoy | Is there a way to know which files has got a package? |
| 00:35.40 | pickcoder | apt-file |
| 00:35.41 | abrotman | apt-file |
| 00:35.49 | abrotman | or packages.debian.org |
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| 00:37.24 | Alexismoy | thx |
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| 00:43.26 | Marupa | ...suck |
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| 00:44.48 | Marupa | erm...dang it. What is Grub Error 17? x.x |
| 00:45.03 | Alexismoy | I'v juste upgraded php5 and now mysql doesn't work with php5 |
| 00:45.07 | Marupa | and how would I fix it? |
| 00:45.34 | karsten | Marupa: info grub |
| 00:45.53 | karsten | Marupa: Frequently: drive geometry mismatches. 'grub-install' is one tack. |
| 00:45.53 | abrotman | Alexismoy: did you install php5-mysql ? |
| 00:46.01 | Alexismoy | yes |
| 00:46.10 | Marupa | uh...I can't DO anything, it won't boot. |
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| 00:46.36 | Alexismoy | ii php5-mysql 5.2.0-7~bpo.1 MySQL module for php5 |
| 00:46.53 | abrotman | Alexismoy: is the extension uncommented in your php.ini ? |
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| 00:47.29 | Alexismoy | I don't know which php.ini to modify, I'v got 3 |
| 00:47.41 | abrotman | 3 ? |
| 00:47.54 | Alexismoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 00:48.16 | abrotman | more than likely anyways |
| 00:48.56 | Alexismoy | there is no line with something like that (extension=mysql.so), but I can add it? |
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| 00:49.42 | Alexismoy | But, that doesn't change nothing |
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| 00:51.24 | ago | hi all |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | did you restart apache ? |
| 00:51.53 | Alexismoy | yes |
| 00:52.13 | ago | I have fdisk showing me 18GB on a partition, and df 9GB. I am puzzled |
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| 00:53.28 | misafir7336 | hi everybody |
| 00:53.39 | misafir7336 | i need help |
| 00:53.43 | misafir7336 | seriously |
| 00:53.47 | schme | ... |
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| 00:53.59 | abrotman | ask a real quesiton |
| 00:54.02 | schme | ago: Maybe you formated it as 9GB, then repartioned it to 19 ? |
| 00:54.07 | schme | ago: I mean 18 too |
| 00:54.57 | misafir7336 | i m a begginer for linux, ihave downloaded debian-31r1a-i386-netinst then i writed to cd |
| 00:54.58 | ago | not that I can remember |
| 00:55.17 | misafir7336 | but |
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| 00:55.33 | misafir7336 | i m using amd sempron64 |
| 00:55.35 | ago | schme Is it possible someone else was hiding stuff in it? |
| 00:55.47 | schme | ago: No. |
| 00:56.15 | misafir7336 | writed cd dont booting |
| 00:56.44 | tarzeau | misafir7336: turkmusun? |
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| 00:56.55 | misafir7336 | eet |
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| 00:57.06 | misafir7336 | evet |
| 00:57.17 | schme | ago: What is the output of fdisk -s /dev/fooX and df /dev/fooX then ? |
| 00:57.18 | tarzeau | misafir7336: #debian.tr ye buyur |
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| 00:58.24 | ago | schme: 19535040 | /dev/sda4 9614148 |
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| 00:58.57 | schme | ago: Hrm.. to me it looks like the mkfs ran wrong. |
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| 00:59.21 | schme | ago: Mostly because it has happened to me :D Other than that I have no idea |
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| 00:59.42 | Van-AFK | hi, i configure mailx , sendmail and postfix and tried to send email to my hotmail and get the mail into junkbox and have Unknown sender as sender info |
| 00:59.48 | Van-AFK | someone may help me to fix tat? |
| 01:00.26 | Alexismoy | PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php5/20051025/mysql.so' - /usr/lib/php5/20051025/mysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 01:00.43 | abrotman | eww |
| 01:00.50 | ago | schme I was only concerned about having been cracked, reformatting is not a problem |
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| 01:01.06 | Alexismoy | Ok, I know the problem now :) |
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| 01:01.43 | abrotman | the file isn't there ? |
| 01:01.54 | schme | ago: I can't swear reformatting is a problem.. but if you've been cracked the df must have been replaced I suppose (: |
| 01:02.00 | martina | hello. can anyone please explain to me, why dosemu is in contrib, even if it can satisfy all its dependencies from main+contrib? it doesnt depend on non-free software.. or am i blind? |
| 01:02.58 | ago | schme the usual checks I have run seem ok, other than the wrong partition size |
| 01:03.07 | Vannoda | someone, i just installmailx,sendmail and postfix, and tried to send email to my hotmail and get the mail into junkbox and have Unknown sender as sender info. someone could help me figure out thhe trouble please |
| 01:03.33 | schme | ago: It does seem strange.. I hope it works out somehow. Too bad no one has a second opinion on this! |
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| 01:04.55 | abrotman | Vannoda: are you sending them from your own machine ? |
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| 01:05.26 | abrotman | martina: maybe the license ? |
| 01:05.36 | shwag | is there a command to reset debian configuration files to defaults ? |
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| 01:06.48 | abrotman | you could move them out of the way and /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 01:06.58 | martina | abrotman: afaik, contrib = free, but depending on nonfree |
| 01:07.03 | martina | and licence seems ok |
| 01:07.21 | abrotman | martina: that's what i thought .. you could contact the maintainer and ask them |
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| 01:10.41 | martina | abrotman: tahnks, i will try to ask tehm |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | i think i've seen him on IRC .. but he's not here or OFTC afaict |
| 01:11.53 | Vannoda | abrotman: i sent it trough my machin yes.. |
| 01:11.58 | Vannoda | abrotman: i have a dns on it.. |
| 01:12.04 | abrotman | Vannoda: static IP ? |
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| 01:12.50 | Vannoda | yes |
| 01:13.22 | eyeris | My nic has source-only drivers. Is there a cd image that has the dev tools on it, but is still just a single image? |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | Vannoda: can you paste a sample message ? |
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| 01:15.17 | lumpy | hi, i've got some problem with the hosts command. it doesn't use /etc/hosts anymore, however i've got "order hosts,bind" in /etc/host.conf :( |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | and in /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 01:16.28 | lumpy | "hosts: files dns" |
| 01:16.37 | lumpy | getent does fine |
| 01:17.07 | lumpy | i guess it's something with the resover library |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | you mean .. 'host' ? |
| 01:17.48 | lumpy | afaik host doesn't use nss |
| 01:17.55 | lumpy | ah, yes host |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | what about with -v ? |
| 01:18.29 | lumpy | a help text? |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | verbose ? |
| 01:19.13 | martina | abrotman: btw what are u doing for a living, if i can ask... |
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| 01:19.31 | abrotman | admin-ish work ? |
| 01:19.48 | lumpy | i paste it on #paste |
| 01:19.49 | eyeris | Could someone on amd64 compile a NIC driver and send me the binary? (yes, yes, I know this is foolish, but it will be better than nothing). |
| 01:19.51 | martina | so you must be a good admin - when you have so much time :) |
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| 01:20.01 | abrotman | it's the evening here |
| 01:20.54 | lumpy | abrotman: come over to #paste |
| 01:20.58 | Ronin | martina: sign of a good admin is a comfy chair and a good selection of games :) |
| 01:21.05 | martina | abrotman: btw i found the answer... freedos needs a nonfree compiler ... |
| 01:21.19 | abrotman | really? that's weird |
| 01:21.23 | abrotman | lumpy: #flood |
| 01:21.32 | lumpy | ah yes, k |
| 01:21.50 | findme | pastebin |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | Ronin: i have the Sega Genesis Collection for PS2!!! |
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| 01:23.19 | amphi | the Linux-PHC undervolt patch applies cleanly to debian etch 2.6.18 source, in case anyone is interested |
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| 01:24.27 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=369922 |
| 01:24.36 | abrotman | how is that only Important ? |
| 01:25.38 | Caelum | do you have to do anything special in urxvt to be able to paste utf-8 text? |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | lumpy: if there were a DD around .. i'd ask them |
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| 01:27.17 | abrotman | lumpy: i'd be tempted to upgrade the severity .. but with a release so close .. they're likely to just downgrade it again |
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| 01:27.24 | lumpy | abrotman: how have you found that fast? |
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| 01:27.43 | abrotman | lumpy: dpkg -S bin/host .. bugs.debian.org/bind9-host |
| 01:28.04 | lumpy | abrotman: oh, cool |
| 01:28.15 | diilbert | Quick question... will changing my repositories to etch and doing an upgrade a safe way to upgrade ? |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | !tell diilbert about sarge->etch |
| 01:29.12 | diilbert | abrotman: Thanks ;) |
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| 01:37.42 | tgo | im having trouble getting an app i wrote using posix semaphores to compile on debian |
| 01:37.55 | tgo | i saw some stuff on google about needing different headers b/c of how deibna packaged it |
| 01:38.02 | tgo | but none of the suggestions seems to be working |
| 01:38.07 | tgo | it cant find sem_open wait etc |
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| 01:38.52 | shwag | so why would phpmyadmin be using an old configuration if I completely deleted the old configuration already? |
| 01:38.53 | diilbert | how do you fix broken dependencies again ? |
| 01:38.58 | diilbert | I know stupid question |
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| 01:39.04 | diilbert | apt-get -f ? |
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| 01:39.49 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:39.54 | abrotman | one way anyways |
| 01:40.13 | dob1 | now that sun java is on debian java-package will be removed? |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | i'd say no .. but i honestly can't say .. it provides a nice mechanism to install any version of sun java |
| 01:41.35 | diilbert | abrotman: So I can do apt-get install -f libqt-perl |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | diilbert: why doesn't apt-get install libqt-perl work ? |
| 01:42.08 | karsten | diilbert: Carefully. |
| 01:42.27 | dob1 | abrotman: i just notice that jdk6 was released and there was not update to java-package to install it, maybe is a deprecated package, i don't know |
| 01:42.31 | karsten | dob1: Odds are it'll remain as a "transition" package, but will be modified to simply depend on the dfsg free Sun Java. |
| 01:43.03 | karsten | dob1: Should check to see what the current discussion is though. |
| 01:43.14 | diilbert | It is telling me it can't find libqt3-mt & libsmokeqt1 |
| 01:43.30 | dob1 | karsten: what do you mean? which discussion? |
| 01:43.31 | abrotman | dob1: i believe there's a debian-java mailing list you could ask |
| 01:43.59 | karsten | dob1: There's likely some traffic on debian-devel list. GIFY |
| 01:44.05 | karsten | GIYF, rather. |
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| 01:45.53 | craigevil | diilbert: what release are you using? Both libqt3-mt and libsmokeqt1 are installed on my system but I run Sid |
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| 01:46.27 | abrotman | diilbert: paste the error |
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| 01:47.55 | diilbert | craigevil: Don't worry about it... I am was in the first stage of my upgrade to etch and I selected kde for my debconf default.. .and it was telling me that libqt3-perl was not installed... when I tried to apt-get install it, there was a failure with the deps I mentioned... I am going to try again after I finish my apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 01:49.22 | diilbert | abrotman: I am getting something like: "The following dependencies cannot be met: libqt3-mt libsmokey1-qt" I am running my etch upgrade in console now so the error is long gone... I was just wondering if you guys had any ideas |
| 01:49.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:49.37 | abrotman | don't use the kde front end :) |
| 01:50.03 | craigevil | there isnt a stable version of libqt3-mt, that could have been the problem |
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| 01:51.07 | lumpy | diilbert: you can use <shift>-<page_up> to scroll the console. |
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| 01:53.16 | diilbert | lumpy: It only scrolls "1 page" |
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| 01:54.02 | lumpy | diilbert: thats bad |
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| 01:54.15 | lumpy | diilbert: i thought it was more |
| 01:54.27 | Marco | what's the wine channel? |
| 01:54.40 | Marco | nvm, found it |
| 01:55.49 | abrotman | welcome to #atlas |
| 01:56.22 | diilbert | lumpy: I will bug you guys about it later... I am going to try it again after the upgrade to etch ;) |
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| 02:00.06 | scratchme | Hi all. |
| 02:00.46 | scratchme | What's the smallest linux distro (physical ram) that could run a dns server? |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | ask ##Linux |
| 02:01.37 | dorijan | scratchme you could try busybox linux |
| 02:02.32 | nevyn | hrm |
| 02:02.37 | nevyn | busybox isn't linux |
| 02:02.37 | scratchme | dorijan: You think I could get it under 8MB physical RAM? |
| 02:02.47 | nevyn | scratchme: define run a dns server |
| 02:03.04 | scratchme | nevyn: I just need a DNS server which supports a few servers to do dynamic registrations. |
| 02:03.12 | nevyn | it really depenbds how big the dns server is what sort of caching performance etc etc etc |
| 02:03.18 | scratchme | It's for a VMWare Host-only network. |
| 02:03.33 | abrotman | scratchme: ask ##linux |
| 02:03.38 | scratchme | It'll get maybe 1-2 hits a minute. |
| 02:03.43 | Supaplex | too bad it's not qemu. |
| 02:03.48 | pickcoder | scratchme: look at syslinux and be prepared to roll your own |
| 02:04.23 | Supaplex | there's amilda, and openwrt among others |
| 02:06.36 | creature | Why can't my laptop see my wireless AP? It's the other side of the wall, and the one it does detect is much more faint than the desired AP. |
| 02:08.04 | pickcoder | creature: are the ESSIDs the same? |
| 02:08.18 | scratchme | Aren't there some floppy disk distros which might fit my bill? |
| 02:08.21 | schme | creature: is it broadcasting it's ssid ? |
| 02:08.29 | creature | schme: It is not. |
| 02:08.40 | creature | pickcoder: Erm, the one it detects and the one it should be are not the same. |
| 02:09.04 | creature | I've tried to force it with "iwconfig eth0 ap AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:FF" but it just says "Access Point: None" after that. |
| 02:09.08 | schme | creature: Are you on the right channel, right essid, sent right passkey ? |
| 02:09.19 | pickcoder | creature: you can scan any wlan and see the devices |
| 02:09.28 | pickcoder | that doesn't mean you can actually talk to it |
| 02:10.14 | creature | Ah ha. Now I have told it the right cannel, essid, and set the access point in theory then an "iwlist eth0 scan" does show it. |
| 02:10.22 | shwag | where does phpmyadmin cache stuff ? |
| 02:11.25 | MatBoyy | does someone know a alternative for ifolder that can be installed on SuSE ? it's a fileserver where files can be synced on with a client-program |
| 02:11.55 | Supaplex | like rsync? |
| 02:12.33 | creature | OK, well, I thought I had it for a second there. |
| 02:13.03 | eyeris | Is there a command, like apt-get, that will calculate package dependencies but instead of downloading the packages, just dump the URLs to the packages? |
| 02:13.12 | MatBoyy | Supaplex, no, different. |
| 02:13.19 | MatBoyy | Supaplex, check www.ifolder.com |
| 02:13.43 | MatBoyy | eyeris, there is |
| 02:13.50 | MatBoyy | it's in the man of APT I thought |
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| 02:14.00 | MatBoyy | ask abrotman, he will knwo |
| 02:14.02 | MatBoyy | know |
| 02:14.17 | pickcoder | is there an apt notifier for KDE? |
| 02:14.27 | iank | what is wodim, and more importantly, how do I get cdrecord back? |
| 02:14.35 | creature | Hmm. I wonder if I can turn up the power on my wireless router. I think it's all working, except that the link's really weak. |
| 02:14.41 | creature | Damn these solid concrete walls! |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:14.50 | Kevin` | wodim is a fork of cdrecord, just make a symlink or something |
| 02:14.55 | abrotman | MatBoyy: ask #suse |
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| 02:15.06 | MatBoyy | abrotman, I don't want to use suse :) |
| 02:15.12 | pickcoder | creature: you may be able to specify the power of your card, but it depends on the card and driver |
| 02:15.17 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 02:15.24 | MatBoyy | so I'm figuring out another solution |
| 02:15.32 | creature | pickcoder: The driver is hostap. |
| 02:15.34 | MatBoyy | that runs on debian |
| 02:15.51 | creature | iwconfig says "Sensitivity: 1/3". I don't know what that means, but maybe it is a clue. |
| 02:16.01 | creature | You know, if I turned it up to "3/3" or something. |
| 02:16.07 | pickcoder | what about signal to noise |
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| 02:16.30 | creature | Signal level=-100 dBm Noise level=-97 dBm |
| 02:16.47 | pickcoder | that's pretty good |
| 02:17.01 | creature | Erm, it gives me a link quality of 0/70. |
| 02:17.07 | creature | Which I'm presuming isn't all that great. |
| 02:17.10 | pickcoder | then your AP or card is misconfigured |
| 02:17.33 | creature | This PC works fine with the AP, so I'm guessing it's not that. |
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| 02:18.46 | creature | pickcoder: See http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-December/014727.html for how I'm trying to start the networking. Only convert "ath0" to "eth0", and forget the bgscan parameter, because I did. |
| 02:18.55 | creature | When I do the dhclient step, I get "receive_packet: Network is down". |
| 02:19.17 | SerajewelKS | what should i do if i find out that someone is violating the gpl on one of my projects? |
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| 02:20.02 | creature | pickcoder: You can forget the IRQ thing too, I think - as far as I can tell I've got that sorted. |
| 02:20.18 | karsten | SerajewelKS: The FSF have a page up on enforcing GPL violations. |
| 02:20.33 | SerajewelKS | karsten: ok |
| 02:20.55 | Triona | IANAL, but you probably need to ask for source, GPL only requires them to give it in the same channels as they give binaries. |
| 02:21.49 | pickcoder | creature: you specified the mac of the AP with iwconfig? |
| 02:21.58 | creature | pickcoder: I did. |
| 02:22.08 | SerajewelKS | Triona: well, he's distributing a copy of the GPL in the package, and there is no source. ge claims the project is gpl'ed, and the gpl doesn't restrict decompiling. so i did, and it's certainly a derivative work. |
| 02:22.16 | SerajewelKS | s/ge/he/ |
| 02:22.43 | Triona | It may be an oversight. |
| 02:22.46 | pickcoder | so it's not GPL |
| 02:22.51 | pickcoder | if you modified it |
| 02:23.05 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: i suggest you read the gpl |
| 02:23.11 | pickcoder | I have many times |
| 02:23.24 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: which part of "derivative work" isn't clear? |
| 02:23.28 | pickcoder | he violated your variation of the GPL |
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| 02:23.42 | SerajewelKS | when did i say i changed the gpl |
| 02:23.51 | pickcoder | you said the GPL doesn't restrict decompiling |
| 02:23.53 | pickcoder | so you did |
| 02:23.59 | pickcoder | which is a modification of the GPL |
| 02:24.07 | Triona | SerajewelKS: its possible that they intended to include an offer to obtain source. |
| 02:24.15 | SerajewelKS | where does the gpl say you cannot decompile? |
| 02:24.25 | pickcoder | you said that in your statement |
| 02:24.27 | Supaplex | it doens't restrict you from stripping in public either, but that has nothing to do with it |
| 02:24.54 | SerajewelKS | Triona: i sent an email to the guy over a week ago, no response |
| 02:25.18 | creature | You don't have to distribute the source with the binaries. It just has to be made available. |
| 02:25.21 | creature | Email them, and ask for the source. |
| 02:25.26 | SerajewelKS | creature: which it's not |
| 02:25.32 | SerajewelKS | creature: i did email him |
| 02:25.57 | creature | Did you get a reply? |
| 02:26.07 | SerajewelKS | creature: ^^^ |
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| 02:26.21 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:26.34 | Triona | SerajewelKS: next thing to do is contact the copyright holder with the details. |
| 02:26.38 | SerajewelKS | sent on the 3rd |
| 02:26.41 | creature | Oh year. |
| 02:26.47 | SerajewelKS | Triona: which would be me? |
| 02:26.58 | creature | pickcoder: OK, so, this wireless thing. Any ideas? |
| 02:27.05 | Triona | who actually holds the copyright on the software? |
| 02:27.09 | SerajewelKS | Triona: me |
| 02:27.10 | Triona | ie, who wrote it? |
| 02:27.13 | SerajewelKS | Triona: me |
| 02:27.13 | Triona | oh... |
| 02:27.17 | Triona | ok. |
| 02:27.34 | pickcoder | creature: hm.. does your access point have WPA enabled? |
| 02:27.45 | Triona | SerajewelKS: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html is some help. |
| 02:27.51 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: make sure you document your e-mail corresponence |
| 02:27.55 | creature | pickcoder: Yes, it does. That's where this whole mess started. |
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| 02:28.15 | Triona | FSF can probably advise you further |
| 02:28.22 | SerajewelKS | Triona: nods thanks |
| 02:28.51 | pickcoder | creature: turn it off for the time being and see if you can even get a basic connection setup |
| 02:29.22 | creature | pickcoder: Erm, I'd really rather not. |
| 02:29.26 | Triona | SerajewelKS: keep in mind that once you start pushing you need to follow through, with the advice of a lawyer when it gets to that stage. |
| 02:29.27 | SerajewelKS | Triona: the file is hosted on geocities. since i cannot contact the author, should i sent a complaint to them? |
| 02:29.31 | pickcoder | ok then.. google is your friend |
| 02:29.35 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 02:29.48 | Triona | LOL... send a DMCA takedown notice |
| 02:29.49 | creature | pickcoder: See, there's no wired access to the machine, and if I turn it off then this desktop PC is cut off. |
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| 02:30.06 | creature | And I am adrift in a sea of no net access, and have to futz around with moving things to get a wired connection going. |
| 02:30.20 | creature | pickcoder: I have been caught out by this before. :) |
| 02:30.42 | SerajewelKS | Triona: problem is i don't really want to hire a lawyer unless i can cover the expense |
| 02:31.43 | Triona | again, IANAL, but I don't think it takes a lot to fire off a DMCA takedown notice if you are sure there's a violation |
| 02:31.57 | SerajewelKS | Triona: true |
| 02:32.00 | creature | It's a doddle to fire off the notice. |
| 02:32.07 | SerajewelKS | Triona: time to google for a boilerplate |
| 02:32.09 | creature | They then have to swear that they do own it to get it put back up. |
| 02:32.13 | Triona | but I'd try to contact them for a bit longer just to show good faith... |
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| 02:32.26 | Triona | creature: or that it's not a violation |
| 02:32.44 | Life | hi, the command "dir" is causing a seg fault |
| 02:32.45 | Life | is that good? |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | use ls ? |
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| 02:32.58 | SerajewelKS | Triona: i want the file down or the source up. when he does get around to contacting me we can talk about it. but right now i want this thing gone. |
| 02:33.07 | Triona | either way, they have to fix the problem or perjure themselves and probably increase the potential damages in a lawsuit. |
| 02:33.26 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:33.30 | Azar | tarzeau ... |
| 02:33.40 | Supaplex | !wave Azar |
| 02:33.50 | Azar | :) |
| 02:34.02 | Azar | FSF gonna support Ryzom |
| 02:34.07 | Triona | SerajewelKS: have fun with the DMCA notice then... you may want to cc a copy to chilling effects... |
| 02:34.34 | Triona | SerajewelKS: http://www.chillingeffects.org/ |
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| 02:36.49 | Kitu | what is the package to have gt 3.2 please ? |
| 02:36.54 | Kitu | qt* |
| 02:36.58 | Kitu | qt 3.2 |
| 02:37.12 | Supaplex | packages.debian.org |
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| 02:37.34 | Kitu | ... |
| 02:37.51 | Supaplex | !pdo |
| 02:37.51 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 02:37.54 | Kitu | but qt3-dev ? |
| 02:37.58 | Kitu | but qt3-assistant ? |
| 02:38.05 | Kitu | just to install an application |
| 02:38.10 | Supaplex | same place... you want me to search for it? |
| 02:38.15 | Kitu | i know |
| 02:38.18 | Supaplex | not gonna happen... |
| 02:38.19 | Supaplex | :) |
| 02:38.20 | spldart | Is it easy to migrate a deb install from one HDD to another? |
| 02:38.35 | pickcoder | creature: did you setup wpasupplicant? |
| 02:38.42 | Kitu | norton ghost ? |
| 02:38.44 | Kitu | :) |
| 02:38.57 | Supaplex | rsync > ghost |
| 02:38.59 | creature | pickcoder: Yes, I believe so. |
| 02:39.08 | pickcoder | brb |
| 02:39.27 | creature | pickcoder: I'm really not sure about the power on this. On my desktop I get a Signal Level of -49 dBm, and a noise level of -95 dBm. |
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| 02:40.29 | seb- | anyone here have a unixshell Xen VM by any chance? |
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| 02:41.57 | netgod | DONE |
| 02:42.01 | netgod | oops |
| 02:42.21 | pickcoder | screen scroll lag was driving me nutz |
| 02:43.03 | Azar | nice, debian network howto: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-networking-for-basic-and-advanced-users.html |
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| 02:43.59 | pickcoder | creature: did you try setting the hex key with iwconfig first? |
| 02:44.36 | creature | pickcoder: Erm, I don't think so. What would I have had to do to do that? |
| 02:45.25 | pickcoder | iwconfig eth0 key <hex key> |
| 02:45.37 | creature | No, I haven't done anything like that. |
| 02:45.59 | pickcoder | sorry.. that's WEP |
| 02:46.02 | pickcoder | you have WAP setup? |
| 02:46.32 | creature | I have WPA2 set up and working fine between my main PC and the AP. I'm trying to get it going on the laptop. |
| 02:46.56 | abrotman | speed channel has weird commercials |
| 02:47.03 | pickcoder | they're both running the same debian release? |
| 02:47.07 | abrotman | some movie called "The Gumball Rally" :) |
| 02:47.08 | spldart | Anyone? I'd like to move debian install from 20 to 80 gig drive.... practical or do I have to reinstall? |
| 02:47.14 | creature | pickcoder: Yep. |
| 02:47.20 | pickcoder | Gumball Rally..heh |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | spldart: you could tar it up or rsync it |
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| 02:47.31 | creature | pickcoder: One uses the madwifi drivers, and the other uses the hostap driver, though. |
| 02:47.51 | pickcoder | wapsupplicant config should be the same |
| 02:47.58 | pickcoder | except for the driver name |
| 02:48.07 | spldart | can you tar dev/hda1 including my grub and lay it back out on another drive? |
| 02:48.10 | creature | pickcoder: It is. |
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| 02:48.26 | abrotman | you'd have to reinstall your bootloader |
| 02:48.45 | spldart | Is there a tutorial for reinstalling grub? |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | or maybe use grub-install to install to that other drive |
| 02:49.02 | spldart | ah |
| 02:49.04 | pickcoder | creature: you can wpa_supplicant with the hostap driver name and such? |
| 02:49.08 | pickcoder | s/can/ran |
| 02:49.09 | creature | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.22 | creature | I took out the "w" option, which should make it quit if it can't find the interface. And it still runs. |
| 02:49.26 | creature | Right now, it's running. |
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| 02:49.46 | creature | wpa_supplicant -B -Dhostap -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 02:49.52 | creature | And the supplicant conf files are identical. |
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| 02:50.53 | pickcoder | abrotman: seen "It's a mad mad mad mad world"? |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | eh .. don't think so |
| 02:51.21 | pickcoder | it was one of the first "treasure hunt race" movies |
| 02:51.26 | pickcoder | funny movie |
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| 02:51.53 | abrotman | oh no .. it has a genre name! |
| 02:52.29 | pickcoder | anything can have a genre |
| 02:52.43 | pickcoder | Debian has its own genre |
| 02:53.27 | creature | pickcoder: So, how can I crank up the power on my wifi card? |
| 02:53.49 | spldart | Need range? |
| 02:54.14 | pickcoder | txpower |
| 02:54.16 | pickcoder | man iwconfig |
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| 02:55.12 | Azar | bah one really good movie is Palookaville |
| 02:55.42 | pickcoder | creature: if you really need dB gain, try a wall-mount antenna |
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| 02:55.57 | pickcoder | overdriving your card can cause more noise than good |
| 02:55.59 | creature | pickcoder: Not really a great option for an ultraportable laptop... |
| 02:56.12 | pickcoder | true.. but the rule still applies |
| 02:56.13 | Kitu | do you think that is dangerous to convert ntfs file system to ext3 with qparted ? |
| 02:56.16 | Azar | ultraportable? never seen one |
| 02:56.26 | abrotman | Kitu: what's that going to do ? |
| 02:56.33 | Kitu | ... |
| 02:56.33 | creature | Azar: It's marketing-speak for "smaller than usual". |
| 02:56.39 | abrotman | it's going to erase your data |
| 02:56.46 | Azar | creature: ah thanks for the heads up |
| 02:56.56 | dan2 | Kitu: that'll wipe your disk for you and rid you of ntfs |
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| 02:57.16 | pickcoder | usual is a relative term |
| 02:57.32 | Kitu | can write on ntfs without dangers is not possible appearly |
| 02:57.49 | Kitu | then why not convert |
| 02:57.58 | konand | my kde dir listing is in z->a order, how to set it to a->z order? |
| 02:58.02 | SerajewelKS | Kitu: you can convent |
| 02:58.10 | SerajewelKS | Kitu: copy the files somewhere else, format, copy back |
| 02:58.17 | SerajewelKS | convert too |
| 02:58.22 | Kitu | why ? |
| 02:58.22 | pstickne | Why does khexedit have to be so horribly broken? (It's matching 20 0F when I'm looking for 544271, DEC) |
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| 02:58.31 | SerajewelKS | Kitu: because that's the only way to convert? |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | that's not converting |
| 02:58.34 | Kitu | explic me simply please |
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| 02:58.43 | abrotman | !fr |
| 02:58.43 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:58.55 | Kitu | i want tu change the file system of a partition |
| 02:58.59 | SerajewelKS | Kitu: i'm not sure how much clearer i can get |
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| 02:59.13 | SerajewelKS | Kitu: copy the files somewhere else. format the partition. copy them back. |
| 02:59.19 | Kitu | hum |
| 02:59.31 | Kitu | i translate :) |
| 03:00.09 | Kitu | but |
| 03:00.11 | Kitu | ... |
| 03:00.18 | SerajewelKS | !tell Kitu about enter |
| 03:00.30 | Kitu | it's not very an avantage to do that |
| 03:00.43 | pickcoder | creature: I have a silver Orinoco card serving our main T-line feed at work |
| 03:00.44 | Kitu | because i can save my datas |
| 03:00.51 | Kitu | and formate my partition |
| 03:01.11 | Kitu | but i haven't supports to save ... |
| 03:01.12 | SerajewelKS | Kitu: so what is the problem then |
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| 03:01.21 | SerajewelKS | Kitu: then you're stuck with ntfs |
| 03:01.44 | creature | pickcoder: This is getting really annoying now. |
| 03:01.46 | sid | http://digg.com/tech_news/FSF_year_end_fund_raiser_see_Eben_Moglen_s_video_appeal Can everyone digg that if they use digg please. |
| 03:01.56 | pickcoder | it's not even turned up half-way, but it is hooked up to a huge parabolic reflector pointing to a repeater about 10 miles away |
| 03:01.59 | abrotman | sid: don't spam |
| 03:02.00 | creature | It's not going to have a problem with having two wireless "consumers" close to one another, is it? |
| 03:02.20 | sid | abrotman: It relates to Debian. |
| 03:02.20 | creature | Maybe I'll go sit by the AP tomorrow, 1 foot line of sight, see if I get a stronger signal. |
| 03:02.29 | pickcoder | creature: not unless they have the same MAC address |
| 03:02.32 | abrotman | sid: still spam |
| 03:02.44 | sid | abrotman: It's important.(freedom) |
| 03:02.50 | abrotman | still spam |
| 03:02.55 | sid | yep |
| 03:02.57 | pickcoder | creature: oh.. and there's a 500mw amp plugged up too.. <g> |
| 03:02.57 | Azar | oh man, Linus is really stupid |
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| 03:03.42 | pickcoder | creature: if it's active, what's the link qual? |
| 03:03.54 | creature | pickcoder: any idea why I'd get "receive_packet failed on eth0: Network is down" when I try to run dhclient on the laptop? |
| 03:04.05 | creature | Is that the networking stack saying "This is not a valid link", or what? |
| 03:04.13 | Azar | "compares a binary driver ban to DRM, arguing that it would constitute an unreasonable limitation on what people can do with the Linux kernel", man he bents over to the proprietary drivers |
| 03:04.19 | pickcoder | either your dhcp server can't be found or your link isn't up |
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| 03:04.45 | Kitu | SerajewelKS but with partition magic it's possible to convert i believe ... (under windows) |
| 03:05.31 | creature | pickcoder: Link quality is 0/70 on the laptop. It's about 46/94 on the desktop. |
| 03:05.31 | Kitu | i don't know if partition magic exit under linux |
| 03:05.31 | pickcoder | creature: then it's not up |
| 03:05.31 | creature | pickcoder: Interestingly, I'm seeing a lot of "Invalid misc" packets on the laptop. |
| 03:05.31 | Azar | Kitu: partition magic no, nein, non, niet, nu for linux |
| 03:06.06 | pickcoder | partition magic is an easy way to waste money and destroy your disk as well |
| 03:06.07 | Kitu | "nothin other ?" |
| 03:06.13 | Kitu | "nothing other ?" |
| 03:06.21 | Kevin` | what about gparted.. |
| 03:06.28 | craigevil | gparted livecd works great |
| 03:06.45 | Kitu | but it don't convert without erase datas |
| 03:06.50 | Kitu | it's that ? |
| 03:07.04 | Kevin` | what do you want to convert |
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| 03:07.25 | pickcoder | Kitu: mount a new drive, format it for ext3, copy data over, then swap the mount points |
| 03:08.30 | Kitu | Kevin` how to write in ntfs then ? |
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| 03:08.39 | konand | how to set the kde dir listing order as alphabetically ascending or descending? |
| 03:08.43 | pickcoder | creature: what does iwlist show? |
| 03:08.49 | Kevin` | Kitu WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO |
| 03:08.55 | Kitu | it's not very well the paquet experimantal |
| 03:09.08 | Kitu | ntfs-g3 |
| 03:09.18 | Azar | Kevin`: he does not know very well english, I assume he has mswin installed and wants to put linux as dual boot |
| 03:09.23 | creature | pickcoder: It shows two access points, one of which is mine. |
| 03:09.34 | Kevin` | Kitu do you just want to resize an ntfs partition? |
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| 03:09.51 | pickcoder | creature: what about channels? |
| 03:10.13 | creature | One is on channel 11, one (mine) is on channel 1. |
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| 03:10.40 | Kitu | Kevin` NO WRITE ON NTFS |
| 03:10.43 | pickcoder | so iwlist eth0 chan shows 2 channels? |
| 03:10.49 | Kitu | Kevin` NO, WRITE ON NTFS |
| 03:10.51 | creature | pickcoder: Correct. |
| 03:11.04 | Kevin` | Kitu why do you need to do that |
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| 03:11.25 | Kitu | but a friend tell me than was dangerous to use ntfs-g3 |
| 03:11.37 | Kitu | to erase my file .. |
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| 03:11.45 | Kevin` | Kitu just erase one file? |
| 03:11.48 | Kitu | tu use my hard disk :P |
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| 03:12.02 | pickcoder | creature: have you looked at hostapd? |
| 03:12.23 | creature | pickcoder: I have, but I don't understand it at all. |
| 03:12.27 | Kitu | Kevin` it's not the partition where there is windows installed but another partition ntfs of datas ... |
| 03:12.56 | Kevin` | Kitu oh, it's probably best to change it to fat32 or ext3 then |
| 03:13.12 | pickcoder | Kitu: serve it from a windows box and mount it locally using smbmount |
| 03:13.12 | Kitu | i am not stupid at the point to convert my windows folder partition |
| 03:13.16 | Kitu | fat32 good |
| 03:13.25 | Kitu | Kevin` how ? :) |
| 03:13.28 | Kevin` | fat32 has a limit of 4gb filesize, but is supported well in windows |
| 03:13.34 | Kitu | no |
| 03:13.38 | Kitu | it's wrong |
| 03:13.46 | Kevin` | ext3 doesn't have limits, but is harder to use in windows |
| 03:13.56 | Kevin` | (the limits are large enough to ignore) |
| 03:14.00 | Kitu | i have a partition of 140 go in fat32 who function under windows |
| 03:14.13 | Kevin` | Kitu the partition size yes, but each file can be no larger then 4gb |
| 03:14.20 | Kitu | but my windows is optimized, it's pearhaps for that, i don't :) |
| 03:14.26 | Kevin` | I think you can have a fat32 volume up to 2tb |
| 03:14.28 | Kitu | but worked it ! |
| 03:14.39 | Kitu | no larger ? |
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| 03:14.55 | Kevin` | Kitu I forget the exact size, but it's larger then you'd want to use fat32 on |
| 03:15.08 | Kitu | windows yes |
| 03:15.08 | Kevin` | the 4gb filesize limit is hard though, no way around it |
| 03:15.32 | Kevin` | if you don't use files that size you can ignore it I suppose |
| 03:15.56 | Kitu | yes but i have ceated my fat32 partition with linux because with windows it don't want create at plus of 40 go je believe |
| 03:16.01 | Kitu | created* |
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| 03:16.17 | Kitu | -je +i |
| 03:16.29 | Kitu | and worked it under windows |
| 03:16.32 | Kevin` | Kitu yes, microsoft though it best that people be forced into using ntfs |
| 03:16.36 | Kitu | 140 go in fat32 |
| 03:16.45 | Kevin` | the limit is artificial and just placed on the tools that format |
| 03:16.55 | Kevin` | windows works fine with larger drives |
| 03:17.05 | Kitu | yes |
| 03:17.14 | Kevin` | anyway, the best way to convert it is to back up the data, format it fat32 or whatever, then copy it back |
| 03:17.24 | Kevin` | any other way you risk losing data |
| 03:17.31 | Kitu | yes ... |
| 03:17.40 | Kitu | it is the most simple i know |
| 03:18.22 | Kevin` | windows can read and write ext3 but IMO the drivers aren't very good |
| 03:18.41 | Kitu | but you told than why "but" ? |
| 03:18.44 | Kitu | oups |
| 03:18.51 | Kitu | why "but" ? |
| 03:18.57 | Kitu | ah ok |
| 03:19.04 | creature | pickcoder: So what's next? |
| 03:19.06 | Kitu | "aren't" sorry |
| 03:19.31 | krazykit | Kevin`: they're actually pretty good |
| 03:19.46 | Kevin` | krazykit last time I tried it, the first time I rebooted the drive disappeared |
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| 03:20.01 | pickcoder | creature: I dunno.. is your hostap driver loaded? |
| 03:20.02 | krazykit | Kevin`: it works rather well as of late |
| 03:20.05 | Kevin` | and that was only about a month ago |
| 03:20.14 | creature | pickcoder: Yes, it is. |
| 03:20.16 | krazykit | hm. strange, then. |
| 03:20.33 | krazykit | now, the reiserfs driver for windows was bad. BSOD on any file manip. |
| 03:20.38 | Kitu | Kevin` so it is possible to convert ntfs to fat32 with gparted on linux ? |
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| 03:20.51 | Kitu | it's not dangerous ? |
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| 03:21.37 | krazykit | Kitu: no. |
| 03:21.42 | Kevin` | Kitu any method that converts it directly would be dangerous. if it's interrupted somehow you will lose the data |
| 03:21.44 | krazykit | Kitu: er, no, it's not possible. |
| 03:21.49 | Kevin` | power failure, program crashes, etc |
| 03:22.03 | Kitu | T_T |
| 03:22.08 | pickcoder | creature: does the card associate with the AP when you run wap_supplicant? |
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| 03:22.20 | Life | hi, "During the boot process, several programs resulted in segmentation faults." |
| 03:22.22 | creature | pickcoder: I don't know. How would I tell? |
| 03:22.25 | Life | what can i do? |
| 03:22.25 | Kevin` | Kitu it's best to copy the data off then format it |
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| 03:22.49 | pickcoder | creature: it should tell you |
| 03:22.52 | krazykit | Life: boot from a liveCD, chroot into your system, and try updating. |
| 03:23.00 | creature | pickcoder: Erm, where should it tell me? |
| 03:23.05 | Kitu | who give me a HD ? |
| 03:23.09 | Kitu | :) |
| 03:23.09 | Life | im actually far from my server |
| 03:23.19 | Life | so i have to update via apt-get? |
| 03:23.27 | Kevin` | Kitu i'll let you use ~600gb of storage over the internet if you want =p |
| 03:23.29 | krazykit | Life: if you can. |
| 03:23.29 | Kitu | or 15 DVD |
| 03:23.38 | pickcoder | creature: what command line are you issuing? |
| 03:23.50 | Kitu | but my upload Kevin` ... |
| 03:24.08 | Life | krazykit: will that fix the issue? |
| 03:24.13 | creature | wpa_supplicant -B -Dhostap -ieth0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 03:24.14 | krazykit | Life: hopefully. |
| 03:24.20 | Kitu | in three years i will have a new HD :) |
| 03:24.53 | Life | thanks krazykit, i hope it will since i don't want to pay for a reinstallation |
| 03:26.22 | pickcoder | leave off the -B |
| 03:26.33 | pickcoder | it'll run in the foreground |
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| 03:27.08 | Kitu | can i ask about fglrx driver ? or do you kick me on #ati ? :) |
| 03:27.16 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 03:27.16 | dpkg | well, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 03:27.20 | Kitu | lol |
| 03:27.51 | Kitu | hannnnnnnnnn |
| 03:27.57 | Kitu | drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz) |
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| 03:29.23 | creature | pickcoder: It doesn't print anything. |
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| 03:30.27 | Kitu | fglrx-kernel-xyz package does'nt exist :( |
| 03:30.57 | sanmarcos | I have a 60gb drive with a debian instalation (ext3), I just bought a 250gb (with nothing on it). I need to copy all the files on drive old, to drive new, how would I go about this? Do I need something special? |
| 03:31.03 | Kitu | on all deb depots |
| 03:31.25 | Nibbier | sandman, google for "harddisk upgrade howto" |
| 03:31.41 | Nibbier | basically its cp -ax / /mnt/newdrive, but see for yourself |
| 03:32.00 | Nibbier | sanmarcos, that was for you, sorry s@ndman |
| 03:32.08 | sanmarcos | Nibbier, I thought about rsync. So I can do it while its running my linux in the old drive right? |
| 03:32.33 | Kitu | mv / /media/your_new_drive ? |
| 03:32.34 | pickcoder | creature: spaces after -c and -i maybe? |
| 03:32.41 | Nibbier | i'd better not mv ;-) |
| 03:32.42 | Kitu | lol |
| 03:32.48 | Supaplex | rsync > mv|cp |
| 03:33.04 | Nibbier | rsync > cp > mv |
| 03:33.11 | Nibbier | but cp should absolutely do |
| 03:33.14 | Kitu | rsync ? |
| 03:33.14 | Supaplex | rsync > tarcopy > ... |
| 03:33.22 | Nibbier | dd > rsync |
| 03:33.30 | pickcoder | tar and rsync will preserve date/time stamps |
| 03:33.32 | Life | Your server sementation faults on any program entered, cd to change directory is seg-fault, ls to list directory is seg-fault, apt-get is seg-fault. |
| 03:33.32 | pickcoder | cp won't |
| 03:33.35 | Nibbier | cat /dev/hdb > /dev/hda |
| 03:33.35 | Supaplex | oh? hardlinks? permissions? ownership? symlinks? devices? time and date stamps? |
| 03:33.38 | Life | now what can i do? |
| 03:33.45 | Kitu | you forget to open html balises |
| 03:33.46 | Kitu | :) |
| 03:34.39 | Kitu | SubStack why change your system of place ? |
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| 03:34.51 | Kitu | Supaplex why change your system of place ? |
| 03:35.01 | Kitu | oula |
| 03:35.07 | Kitu | :x |
| 03:35.14 | creature | pickcoder: Is there something I need to do to kick it and say "Re-associate now, please"? |
| 03:35.34 | Supaplex | !confuse Kitu |
| 03:35.34 | dpkg | No, who are their mushroom today, Kitu? shirts of the democracy of tibet with extra crabpaste |
| 03:35.50 | pickcoder | creature: unplug it? |
| 03:35.57 | creature | Not an option. |
| 03:36.05 | pickcoder | creature: your card |
| 03:36.18 | creature | Not an option. |
| 03:36.25 | creature | It's a miniPCI card. Internal. |
| 03:36.34 | pickcoder | oh |
| 03:36.36 | Kitu | :( |
| 03:36.42 | pickcoder | miniPCI in a laptop? |
| 03:36.43 | Kitu | what is crabpaste ? |
| 03:37.04 | Supaplex | it's kinda like toothpaste, but it keeps the crabs off |
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| 03:37.48 | creature | pickcoder: Yep. |
| 03:37.56 | Kitu | i don't understand jokes in english |
| 03:37.57 | Kitu | :( |
| 03:38.05 | creature | When does wpa_supplicant decide to do its thing? |
| 03:38.33 | pickcoder | creature: when you run it or the device unloads |
| 03:38.45 | abrotman | !crabpaste |
| 03:38.45 | dpkg | http://importfood.com/media/cppk0701.jpg or a sandwich spread, nice in sandwiches. thomas_adam owes abrotman a jar or three of this. See <cheesesteak> |
| 03:38.46 | pickcoder | pre-up usually calls it |
| 03:38.55 | Life | my server seg faults on all programs, what can i possibly do? |
| 03:39.08 | pickcoder | !cheesesteak |
| 03:39.08 | dpkg | well, cheesesteak is http://philadelphia.about.com/cs/cheesesteaks/a/cheesesteak.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheesesteak or abrotman owes thomas_adam one of these |
| 03:39.14 | Kitu | lol |
| 03:39.32 | Kitu | miam |
| 03:39.32 | creature | Ah ha, interesting. |
| 03:39.37 | creature | It says "No suitable AP found. |
| 03:39.47 | creature | Presuambly because my AP is not broadcasting its SSID. |
| 03:39.50 | Supaplex | your AP is teh suck? |
| 03:40.27 | pickcoder | Life: the programs segfault or your kernel halts? |
| 03:40.37 | Kitu | !chichkebbab |
| 03:40.42 | Kitu | !( |
| 03:40.42 | dpkg | ) |
| 03:40.50 | Kitu | lool |
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| 03:41.16 | Kitu | !kebbab |
| 03:41.22 | Kitu | !kebab |
| 03:41.25 | Kitu | rah |
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| 03:41.42 | Supaplex | the bot is not wikipedia or google. |
| 03:42.42 | Life | pickcoder: the programs seg fault |
| 03:42.56 | pickcoder | Life: strace one of them to see why |
| 03:43.11 | Supaplex | watch strace segfault :P |
| 03:43.16 | Supaplex | or gdb |
| 03:43.21 | creature | OK, I've set my AP to broadcast a SSID. |
| 03:43.27 | creature | It looks a bit like it's working. |
| 03:43.29 | pickcoder | Supaplex: that's been my luck lately |
| 03:43.41 | Kitu | !(((( |
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| 03:43.56 | creature | Ah, no. |
| 03:43.58 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 03:43.58 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 03:44.02 | creature | It is assoicating and disassociating. |
| 03:44.07 | creature | Flip-flopping between the two. |
| 03:44.13 | SerajewelKS | my google-fu is weak apparently. anyone know of a library that does x86 processor emulation (including resolving dynamic links using libraries on the host) that will let the host application examine and tweak the processor state? |
| 03:44.14 | pickcoder | creature: make sure it's not running as a daemon too |
| 03:44.18 | creature | How annoying. But reported behaviour, at least. |
| 03:44.25 | Kitu | dpkg is entierly a bot or ... ? |
| 03:44.30 | pickcoder | creature: do -B or not -B |
| 03:44.35 | abrotman | yes .. dpkg is a bot |
| 03:44.35 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 03:44.35 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 03:44.51 | Kitu | ok |
| 03:44.54 | Kitu | !( |
| 03:44.54 | dpkg | ) |
| 03:44.56 | Kitu | lol |
| 03:44.59 | Kitu | bug :) |
| 03:45.11 | abrotman | Kitu: please stop with the bot |
| 03:45.31 | Kitu | ok ok |
| 03:45.51 | creature | pickcoder: Very droll. |
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| 03:48.24 | diilbert | I have my repository setup as deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ etch non-free main contrib and I am getting errors that the xfree86-common package cannot be found |
| 03:48.47 | Supaplex | when was your last update? |
| 03:48.49 | diilbert | to be installed (or is not installable) Any ideas ? |
| 03:48.58 | abrotman | diilbert: try 'xorg' |
| 03:49.54 | sng | Don't listen to abrotman! He sucks! |
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| 03:50.20 | Supaplex | and you know how? |
| 03:50.31 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 03:50.42 | abrotman | sng: we've gone over this once already tonight |
| 03:51.51 | Supaplex | no more for you sng |
| 03:52.19 | diilbert | Supaplex: Just then... I changed my sources.list then did an update... then I did apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade... I get the error during the last step |
| 03:52.20 | sng | abrotman: No. I said you didn't suck before! |
| 03:52.39 | abrotman | sng: no .. you didn't say it earlier .. someone else did :) |
| 03:53.04 | Supaplex | diilbert: abrotman has a point, xorg is the new hotness. |
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| 03:54.07 | creature | pickcoder: Well, thank you very much for your help. I've got further than I have ever got with this, and that's got to be a good thing. |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | !+info xfree86-common etch |
| 03:54.15 | diilbert | What do I install to get xorg? And everytime I try installing something apt complains about unmet deps ? |
| 03:54.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:54.18 | sng | abrotman: Well they were right then! |
| 03:54.27 | abrotman | sng: thanks for the vote of confidence |
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| 03:54.33 | dpkg | Package 'xfree86-common' does not exist. |
| 03:55.26 | creature | But now, I am going to bed. Night night. |
| 03:55.58 | diilbert | HOw do I get rid of the unmet deps thing so I can change to xorg ? |
| 03:56.09 | abrotman | diilbert: paste the error |
| 03:56.11 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:56.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:56.54 | diilbert | I have an interesting time pasting from a console ;) |
| 03:57.09 | diilbert | I don't know how to do it |
| 03:57.15 | abrotman | try an apt-get -f install |
| 03:57.19 | abrotman | or apt-get install xorg |
| 03:57.33 | diilbert | I did an it complains about xfree86-common |
| 03:57.44 | abrotman | shouldn't |
| 03:57.51 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 03:57.51 | dpkg | i heard pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 03:58.26 | diilbert | THe second thing complains about broken packages |
| 03:58.27 | Supaplex | script helps catpure the output to. |
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| 04:03.07 | diilbert | http://pastebin.ca/280772 |
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| 04:03.22 | marc2 | whats one gigabyte in "MiB" ? |
| 04:03.29 | diilbert | That is the results of the apt-get install xorg command |
| 04:03.43 | sng | EWRONGCHANNEL |
| 04:04.11 | diilbert | marc2: 1024 MB = 1 GB |
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| 04:05.19 | diilbert | diilbert: or google "1GB to MB" |
| 04:05.27 | marc2 | I have a primary ext3 part, should swap be extended? |
| 04:05.38 | simonrvn | MiB is 1000 GiB |
| 04:05.42 | marc2 | its just 231 gb for ext3 and 1gb for swap |
| 04:05.45 | simonrvn | er, flip it |
| 04:06.01 | pickcoder | 1GiB is 1024MiB |
| 04:06.02 | simonrvn | 1 GiB is 1000 MiB |
| 04:06.05 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:06.09 | pickcoder | base 2 |
| 04:06.15 | simonrvn | 1 GB is 1024 MB |
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| 04:06.41 | pickcoder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte |
| 04:06.57 | diilbert | I think if you google the query to posted above it will give you the answer |
| 04:07.05 | diilbert | Any open have any ideas ? |
| 04:07.14 | marc2 | so swap should be primary or extended |
| 04:07.19 | diilbert | I should have known an upgrade would not be that easy |
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| 04:07.25 | simonrvn | wth, they flippedit |
| 04:07.30 | simonrvn | flipped it* |
| 04:08.01 | simonrvn | ok |
| 04:08.29 | pickcoder | 1000MB is 1 GB base 10 |
| 04:08.37 | pickcoder | if you're talking binary bytes it's 1024 |
| 04:08.44 | marc2 | yes okay |
| 04:08.54 | marc2 | should swap be primary or extended? |
| 04:09.01 | diilbert | primary |
| 04:09.05 | marc2 | thanks |
| 04:09.06 | simonrvn | yes i got it :) |
| 04:09.10 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:09.10 | diilbert | That is what I use anyway |
| 04:09.24 | marc2 | okay, create the ext3 part, then copy with rsync, then write grub |
| 04:09.30 | marc2 | (im copying a hd) |
| 04:09.32 | simonrvn | ,--8<- |
| 04:09.32 | simonrvn | |"Because of inconsistencies in the use of SI-derived prefixes such as kilo- and mega-, the exact number can be any one of the |
| 04:09.35 | simonrvn | |following: |
| 04:09.37 | simonrvn | `-->8- |
| 04:09.42 | simonrvn | ... wth did it do that? |
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| 04:10.24 | diilbert | Abrotman : Any ideas ? |
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| 04:11.35 | pickcoder | I think the binary valuation was dropped in specs because people are too lazy to do the math |
| 04:12.50 | simonrvn | probably a bit of both |
| 04:13.04 | pickcoder | simonrvn: you probably just got logged as a content theif |
| 04:13.07 | pickcoder | <g. |
| 04:13.12 | pickcoder | s/./> |
| 04:13.29 | simonrvn | naw, was an irssi script, multipaste |
| 04:14.10 | simonrvn | and besides, it isn't content theft, it comes under fair use |
| 04:14.12 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 04:17.54 | marc2 | I just created a new ext3 fs, and it says its using 200mb? |
| 04:17.58 | marc2 | there is nothing in the fs |
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| 04:19.25 | simonrvn | there's a certain amount kept for root only |
| 04:19.50 | dli | marc2, 20GB partition? |
| 04:20.26 | marc2 | dli: 229G 189M 217G |
| 04:20.33 | marc2 | dli: like wtf? |
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| 04:21.23 | simonrvn | ^^ |
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| 04:23.13 | diesel | I am in the process of upgrading stable to testing. When I apt-get dist-upgrade, I see that kernel-image-2.6.8-3 will be removed. I then look for a replacement kernel package to be installed and there is no kernel-image listed. What's going on? |
| 04:23.29 | marc2 | simonrvn: any tips on using rsync to copy a hd to another? |
| 04:23.35 | pickcoder | diesel: it's linux-image in Etch |
| 04:23.41 | pickcoder | Etch and future |
| 04:24.45 | dli | marc2, " cp -a " or "rsync -a", don't copy active /dev /proc |
| 04:24.54 | Ainslee | i've checked proftpd.conf to determine what ip's are allowed to access my server but nothing seems specified there, yet i can only ftp from one pc in the house, where else should i look? |
| 04:24.56 | simonrvn | i don't use rsync |
| 04:25.24 | diesel | pickcoder: Okay, that's fine. I looked for linux-image package to be installed and that is not listed either. WTF? |
| 04:25.46 | dli | Ainslee, still, use sftp (scp), sshfs, and httpd, not ftpd |
| 04:26.03 | pickcoder | diesel: you changed your sources.list and ran apt-get update? |
| 04:27.08 | marc2 | whats a hard link |
| 04:27.12 | diesel | pickcoder, I replaced all stable with testing (%s/stable/testing); apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:27.25 | diesel | pickcoder: I am at the Y/N prompt now |
| 04:27.28 | pickcoder | don't use testing unless you want to keep your box in testing mode |
| 04:27.39 | pickcoder | use "etch" to remain with it when it becomes stable |
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| 04:28.22 | Ainslee | dli: k will try that |
| 04:28.31 | diesel | pickcoder: is this because of the freeze for etch? because I have always replaced stable with testing and never used the Toy Story names. |
| 04:29.18 | pickcoder | that's fine, as long as you change it to stable when Etch moves |
| 04:29.27 | pickcoder | otherwise you'll end up with the next testing release |
| 04:30.00 | pickcoder | diesel: the release cycles are being reduced |
| 04:30.10 | pickcoder | 18 months.. I think |
| 04:30.17 | diesel | pickcoder: fine! That still does not help with the current issue that kernel-image-2.6.8-3 is going to be removed and there is no replacement linux-image to be installed |
| 04:30.31 | pickcoder | diesel: the latest stable image for Etch will be installed |
| 04:30.36 | pickcoder | 2.6.17 probably |
| 04:30.53 | diesel | pickcoder: Why is it not listed then? |
| 04:31.19 | pickcoder | unless there is a package requirement for 2.6.8 existing on your machine |
| 04:31.21 | marc2 | if I remove /dev /sys /proc and /dev, will they be regenereated? |
| 04:31.39 | pickcoder | diesel: I don't know |
| 04:31.47 | diesel | I would say the upgrade process is broken |
| 04:31.50 | dli | diesel, apt-get -f install linux-image-2.6-686 (apt-cache search linux-image) |
| 04:31.51 | pickcoder | diesel: does it say that your kernel-image will be kept back/ |
| 04:32.03 | diesel | pickcoder: no |
| 04:32.45 | stoned | marc2, why do you want to such a thing? |
| 04:33.03 | stoned | marc2, no, they will not be regenerated on boot |
| 04:33.09 | stoned | marc2, if that is what you're asking |
| 04:33.09 | diesel | I installed from debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso, when it came time to ask the type of system I wanted, I chose manual install, quit aptitude, and then vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:33.13 | pickcoder | diesel: I upgraded a Woody box last week |
| 04:33.16 | diesel | now here we are |
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| 04:33.24 | pickcoder | so if it's broken, that's the first I've heard of it |
| 04:33.32 | diesel | dli: I should not have to force this |
| 04:33.53 | stoned | marc2, it depends on what you mean by regenerate |
| 04:33.54 | dli | diesel, -f is not --force (man apt-get ) |
| 04:33.56 | pickcoder | diesel: why didn't you just get the RC1 install for Etch? |
| 04:34.45 | diesel | pickcoder: this was what I had (without dl'ing the newest netinstall |
| 04:34.55 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:34.58 | marc2 | stoned: because I can copying a hd to another |
| 04:35.10 | marc2 | stoned: so I should only exclude /mnt when I do the copy? |
| 04:35.15 | diesel | pickcoder: I don't believe this should make a difference |
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| 04:35.24 | stoned | marc2, just copy the stuff you need |
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| 04:36.00 | marc2 | stoned: no, I am not going to resintall everything |
| 04:36.17 | pickcoder | diesel: did you complete the install and then go into aptitude? |
| 04:36.58 | dli | marc2, cp all you need, and mkdir proc sys dev , and cd to the dev, "MAKEDEV generic" ( n00b way) |
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| 04:37.20 | diesel | pickcoder: yes, the install completed and brought me to the login prompt |
| 04:37.32 | marc2 | dli: whats the problem with copying dev sys and proc? |
| 04:37.45 | dli | marc2, after that, you have to check the new /etc/fstab, also, /tmp permissions |
| 04:37.59 | diesel | After exiting aptitude for the "manual package installation", I never went back into aptitude |
| 04:38.09 | diesel | I was then taken to the login prompt |
| 04:38.23 | dli | marc2, for example, " cp /dev/hda " |
| 04:38.37 | dli | marc2, or, " cp /dev/random " |
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| 04:39.08 | PingFloyd | dli: they're special files |
| 04:39.50 | marc2 | dli: you dont know what you are talking about |
| 04:39.57 | pickcoder | diesel: my woody dist-upgrade kept the 2.4.27 kernel installed |
| 04:39.59 | PingFloyd | like block devices etc |
| 04:40.00 | SerajewelKS | marc2: cp -ax |
| 04:40.05 | pickcoder | I'm looking at grub right now |
| 04:40.06 | diesel | dli: okay, so -f is not force, but that's how its usage feels to me |
| 04:40.09 | stoned | damn |
| 04:40.12 | pickcoder | I had to upgrade to the 2.6 kernel |
| 04:40.17 | pickcoder | er.. install the 2.6 |
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| 04:40.48 | diesel | pickcoder: I started with the 2.6 kernel, by typing linux26 at the cd boot prompt |
| 04:40.48 | dli | pickcoder, apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 04:40.58 | stoned | marc2, if you know enough to be able to tell wether is he knows what he is talking about or not, then you know enough to get your shit done |
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| 04:41.20 | pickcoder | diesel: the point I'm making is it kept my kernel.. it didn't install a new one |
| 04:41.21 | stoned | I don't fucking understand people, they wanna get help, but wanna act like pricks |
| 04:41.23 | marc2 | stoned: indeed, i am just trying to scrape more info from good sources |
| 04:41.39 | dli | stoned, no need for S word :( |
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| 04:42.09 | stoned | what s word? shit? sorry. |
| 04:42.20 | pickcoder | diesel: try it and see what happens.. if it fails horribly, then file a bug. |
| 04:42.28 | stoned | dli, seems like you're ok with the 'f' word, but not the 's' word |
| 04:42.32 | stoned | talk about mixed priorities |
| 04:42.37 | stoned | :) |
| 04:42.40 | stoned | or some such thing |
| 04:42.42 | PingFloyd | I forgot that help was owed |
| 04:42.42 | diesel | pickcoder: yeah, I have done debian installs hundreds of times and this is the first time that I have ever seen this behavior |
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| 04:43.09 | pickcoder | diesel: I've had one dist-upgrade go bonkers.. that's because I had source installs on it |
| 04:43.11 | diesel | pickcoder: I will try the manual upgrade of the kernel and see what happens |
| 04:43.14 | dli | stoned, indeed, not sensitive to either S* or F*, because English is not my language |
| 04:43.29 | diesel | pickcoder: no src in sources.list for me |
| 04:43.37 | stoned | dli, its not a big deal until one makes it into a big deal. Shit happens, deal with it :) |
| 04:43.38 | pickcoder | it wasn't even a source de |
| 04:43.40 | pickcoder | deb |
| 04:43.51 | pickcoder | needed custom libs for a project |
| 04:43.51 | dli | diesel, apt-get dist-upgrade should do it, any trouble, just pastebin the error messages |
| 04:44.44 | diesel | dli: apt-get dist-upgrade did not do it...that's been the whole point of this conversation...apt-get dist-upgrade is going to remove my existing (working) kernel-image and _NOT_ replace it |
| 04:45.16 | dli | stoned, do you know how to custom (or debug) the kernel Out Of Memory Killer. My system hangs at bad memory leaking |
| 04:45.35 | diesel | luckily this install is in a VM. The first install already failed. Now I am looking at the package list more carefully |
| 04:45.44 | stoned | I don't even use linux man |
| 04:45.49 | diesel | I think that the upgrade is broken |
| 04:45.56 | stoned | dli, I have no idea |
| 04:46.06 | dli | diesel, if you really want to keep it, hold it |
| 04:46.15 | dli | !tell diesel about hold |
| 04:46.27 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 04:46.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 04:46.31 | diesel | dli: I know about dpkg --set-selections |
| 04:46.32 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 04:46.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 04:46.43 | diesel | dli: I don't want to keep it |
| 04:46.45 | pickcoder | dli: you shouldn't have to "hold" a kernel if it's not being replaced |
| 04:46.56 | diesel | dli: I want to dist-upgrade |
| 04:47.09 | diesel | dli: What is it about dist-upgrade that you don't understand |
| 04:47.14 | pickcoder | maybe it is a bug.. the only way to know if it's going to trash the system is to run the upgrade |
| 04:47.38 | dli | diesel, yes, the kernel and the OS both have freedom from each other. just install a newer kernel |
| 04:47.44 | diesel | pickcoder: it is a bug...it already hosed my first attempt on the VM |
| 04:47.57 | pickcoder | dli: if the kernel is removed there will be no newer kernel b/c the system won't boot |
| 04:48.09 | diesel | pickcoder: exactly...thank you |
| 04:48.20 | dli | pickcoder, how can you trash the upgrade? just get a working kernel |
| 04:48.37 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:48.39 | diesel | dli: holy crap...the dist-upgrade is suppose to take care of that |
| 04:48.40 | stoned | a working kernel |
| 04:48.41 | pickcoder | diesel: is there a newer kernel for Sarge? |
| 04:48.43 | stoned | what an oxymoron |
| 04:49.10 | stoned | as soon as they move up the ranks in army, they get fatter and lazier (play on colonel) |
| 04:49.13 | PingFloyd | pickcoder: there was one early in this month |
| 04:49.19 | diesel | pickcoder: yes |
| 04:49.32 | diesel | pickcoder: I just looked at packages.debian.org |
| 04:49.32 | pickcoder | diesel: change your sources back and install a newer kernel version |
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| 04:50.03 | pickcoder | if that fixes the dist-upgade issue then be sure to file a bug on it |
| 04:50.23 | pickcoder | kernel versions, install ISO version, etc |
| 04:50.56 | DaveLib | hello i want to ask about enabling audio and video in etch i will explain background |
| 04:50.58 | diesel | pickcoder: Yeah, I will do that |
| 04:51.50 | DaveLib | i previously installed and ran sarge in my original installation with aptitude i requested a graphical gnome desktop as a category |
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| 04:52.04 | PingFloyd | DaveLib: I think what you're looking for is a ',' and '.' |
| 04:52.52 | DaveLib | this gave me an installation which would play videos with audio, in youtube and google video, through firefox, so that was all ok |
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| 04:53.17 | PingFloyd | DaveLib: but when you upgraded to etch they no longer worked? |
| 04:53.23 | DaveLib | about a month ago i made a new installation of etch on a new partition to be my main instalaltion |
| 04:54.00 | DaveLib | this time i did a minimal installation with aptitude just adding packages as nneded them not a generic desktop |
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| 04:54.21 | dli | DaveLib, you want tasks now? try " tasksel " |
| 04:54.28 | DaveLib | so i installed fvwm-crystal with only the minimal gnome to do gdm |
| 04:54.48 | DaveLib | well i just have a specific question for the new etch |
| 04:55.06 | DaveLib | i cant get video of youtube or google video |
| 04:55.10 | DaveLib | in firefox |
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| 04:55.25 | PingFloyd | DaveLib: did you have the needed X related packages installed? |
| 04:55.42 | PingFloyd | oh, just in firefox? |
| 04:55.47 | DaveLib | it says in youtube i either have javascript turned off or i dont have the latest macromedia flash player |
| 04:56.16 | PingFloyd | not sure, but doesn't youtube use flash? |
| 04:56.26 | diesel | PingFloyd: yes |
| 04:56.27 | dli | DaveLib, install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 04:56.48 | diesel | dli: I am not sure that will do it because youtube request Flash 8+ |
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| 04:57.05 | DaveLib | also google video is not working |
| 04:57.22 | PingFloyd | In my case, I think in order to get some sites working, I had to install flash from upstream (as in the one from adobe's site) |
| 04:57.27 | PingFloyd | but I'm running sarge |
| 04:57.36 | PingFloyd | maybe etch is more current about flash |
| 04:57.55 | DaveLib | pinkfloyd: yes i thinkl youtube uses flash because they say that in their error message get the latest macromedia flash |
| 04:57.59 | Geetarman | i had a problem with flash and audio in firefox but i found the solution to that if anybody is curious |
| 04:58.18 | diesel | Geetarman: explain |
| 04:58.19 | DaveLib | yes geetarman ? |
| 04:58.28 | PingFloyd | I'm not sure what version they require, but I believe ver 8 wasn't available for Linux last time I checked |
| 04:58.30 | Geetarman | okay give me one second |
| 04:58.31 | pickcoder | what about mplayer/ |
| 04:58.32 | PingFloyd | but that was a while ago |
| 04:58.38 | diesel | it involves some hack to fake the version of flash you have installed? |
| 04:58.51 | DaveLib | anyway i searched in aptitude for javascriot and flash |
| 04:59.31 | aredhel | mplayer will play youtube videos. which are downloadable with youtube-dl. |
| 04:59.40 | DaveLib | from the aptitude documentation i thought the packages i needede were entity-javascipt and libflash-mozplugin |
| 04:59.51 | Geetarman | Okay, to fix the audio problem, you need to install the alsa-oss package, and also the alsa-utils package |
| 04:59.55 | diesel | DaveLib: try this link...http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/08/14/flash-9-for-xubuntu/ |
| 05:00.08 | diesel | DaveLib: it explains how to fake Flash 9 |
| 05:00.12 | diesel | it worked for me |
| 05:00.13 | DaveLib | ahh ok |
| 05:00.28 | diesel | DaveLib: do make sure you have flash installed though |
| 05:00.42 | DaveLib | so youtube wants us to have flash 9? and we need to fool it to accept the debian flash we have? |
| 05:00.52 | marc2 | DaveLib: or get a mac |
| 05:00.56 | DaveLib | i installed libflash-mozplugin |
| 05:01.01 | PingFloyd | I just tested it |
| 05:01.14 | DaveLib | everything was working for me in sarge |
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| 05:01.17 | PingFloyd | I got a video to run fine on youtube I'm using version 7 or flash |
| 05:01.36 | DaveLib | so what package did you install of flash? |
| 05:01.52 | DaveLib | or did you get it upstream? |
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| 05:02.17 | DaveLib | i prefer to use debian packagesd to native installs figure deb packages are safer |
| 05:02.31 | jbrouhard | Anyone have a good, fast alternative to debian.mirrors.pair.com ? |
| 05:02.35 | Geetarman | after you install alsa-utils you need to run alsaconf in console, and it'll set up your sound, after i did this, sound worked flawlessly in firefox 2 with flash 9 |
| 05:02.36 | dli | DaveLib, http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 05:02.59 | DaveLib | ahh ok dli i will check that out |
| 05:03.08 | PingFloyd | DaveLib: yeah, it's generally a better idea to stick to package since there is less likely to be problems |
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| 05:03.53 | DaveLib | so i was trying libflash-mozplugin which is in etch main |
| 05:04.15 | PingFloyd | I like to live on edge I guess, I'm using native firefox and flash lol |
| 05:04.23 | DaveLib | instead dli your link is talking about a package from nonfree |
| 05:04.30 | pickcoder | has anyone had good luck with a specific TV tuner? |
| 05:04.31 | DaveLib | so the nonfree is better than main? |
| 05:04.45 | dli | DaveLib, that's what I gave you from the beginning :( |
| 05:05.00 | dli | DaveLib, the wiki explains |
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| 05:05.34 | DaveLib | ok thanks |
| 05:05.34 | pickcoder | nonfree stuff may have license stipulations |
| 05:05.54 | pickcoder | outside of the GPL |
| 05:06.21 | DaveLib | ya i oprefer to stay with gpl if i cvan but i guess if only nonfree works there go my priciples :) |
| 05:06.49 | dli | !tell DaveLib about gnash |
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| 05:07.51 | DaveLib | thx dli i just read the msg you sent |
| 05:08.05 | DaveLib | is gnash working well yet? |
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| 05:09.22 | dli | DaveLib, it will be long before it gets stable |
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| 05:34.09 | starz | hey anyone know where i can find the maintainer of w32codecs ? |
| 05:34.13 | starz | or its homepage? |
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| 05:35.51 | cast | starz: aptitude show pkgname will list the maintainer wont it? |
| 05:35.56 | starz | o.o |
| 05:36.29 | starz | Package: w32codecs |
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| 05:46.50 | Life | wow. i can't believe i have been so stupid. |
| 05:47.00 | Life | i had 1 gb less than what i was supposed to have for a year |
| 05:47.03 | Life | bogus |
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| 05:51.12 | starz | sigh. |
| 05:51.21 | starz | well i'm disappointed with where ubuntu has gone for the desktop. |
| 05:51.32 | Kevin` | how's that? |
| 05:51.36 | starz | well |
| 05:51.52 | starz | i was on dapper which was fine and all, then switched to edgy |
| 05:52.20 | starz | but just by running edgy i have loads on my cpu, and when i actually do something usefull like watch a vid it gets unbearable if i am doing _anything_ else just about. |
| 05:52.36 | starz | but rather than go back to dapper i was thinking of going to another distro entirely. |
| 05:52.39 | Kevin` | interesting |
| 05:52.54 | Kevin` | go to debian etch :) |
| 05:53.05 | starz | dont get me wrong; ubuntu is the kewl and all.. just not for me i think. |
| 05:53.15 | DaveLib | dli: thx i did the install of flashplugin-nonfree and it is giving me youtube video so far without sound tho |
| 05:53.29 | starz | the thing that scares me Kevin` is last time i went from ubuntu >> debian my hdd partition table got corrupted. |
| 05:54.00 | starz | i dont mind wasting a cdrom burning the thing if its possible.. but i definately need to back that up first, before i do any changes. any suggestions ? |
| 05:54.12 | DaveLib | i tried alsa-oss and alsa-utils like geetarman said but that hasnt given me sound yet |
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| 05:54.35 | Kevin` | starz i've never had the debian install break the partition table unless I told it to do something stupid |
| 05:54.40 | Kevin` | it's an easy thing to back up though |
| 05:54.52 | Kevin` | do you have any extended partitions? |
| 05:54.57 | starz | nope not atm |
| 05:55.05 | starz | 2gig 10 gig and rest of it basically |
| 05:55.08 | starz | one sec brb |
| 05:55.11 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=backup |
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| 05:55.56 | DaveLib | oops geetarman also told me to run alsaconf i forgot ok i will try that |
| 05:56.18 | Kevin` | reboot |
| 05:56.19 | Kevin` | er |
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| 05:57.14 | emss | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.39 | Kevin` | heh a good point |
| 05:57.48 | Kevin` | hm |
| 05:58.03 | Kevin` | what's reasonable filesystem to use for a 1tb device? |
| 05:58.18 | emss | xfs? |
| 05:58.59 | Kevin` | that's what I was thinking |
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| 06:00.18 | Azar | is just me or DaveLib looks like ForrestGump? |
| 06:00.25 | DaveLib | ok! thanks dli & geetarman i just did alsaconf and sure enough i got youtube video with sound |
| 06:00.47 | DaveLib | life is like a bowl of cherries... |
| 06:00.55 | Azar | eexactly |
| 06:01.12 | Azar | no, box of chocolates |
| 06:01.25 | macksss | do you guys think axel is better than wget? |
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| 06:01.47 | macksss | i am finding that my download speeds using wget are not very fast. |
| 06:01.48 | Azar | macksss: I allways used wget |
| 06:02.16 | DaveLib | ahh right you are azar |
| 06:02.23 | macksss | i only seem to get 1mb/sec but can get that on multiple sessions of wget just no higher than that on each file |
| 06:02.25 | starz | back |
| 06:02.40 | starz | hm |
| 06:02.45 | macksss | Azar, is there a way to make wget download faster? |
| 06:02.47 | Azar | macksss: I guess porn goes slower, too many pictures |
| 06:02.56 | macksss | heh |
| 06:03.01 | macksss | ya i am downloading larger files |
| 06:03.06 | Azar | macksss: I have no idea, I am happy with wget's speed |
| 06:03.11 | macksss | ok |
| 06:03.35 | emss | anyone know of a reiser4 enabled debian install cd? |
| 06:04.35 | Azar | emss: I only know that reiser can be assigned at partition time (at least I could do that with woody) |
| 06:05.03 | Azar | with those "modern" installers, never seen that option |
| 06:05.08 | macksss | azar, do you recommend any alternatives to wget? |
| 06:05.30 | Kevin` | macksss you might try curl, actually |
| 06:05.37 | starz | whats a good filesystem that is resistant against power outages? i dont have a ups and it happens now and then :/ and Kevin` how do i backup my mbr ? |
| 06:05.46 | Azar | macksss: not expert I used to use wget and links when I was in console only mode long ago |
| 06:05.46 | Kevin` | dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 of=backup |
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| 06:06.02 | Kevin` | starz i'd use ext3 |
| 06:06.05 | macksss | ah ok...thanks |
| 06:06.09 | Kevin` | and get a ups, a small one is onlt $40 or so |
| 06:06.21 | SerajewelKS | what happens when i preload a library and the program forks? |
| 06:06.33 | starz | Kevin`, yeah i normally do just that.. |
| 06:06.46 | emss | starz xfs and reiser4 |
| 06:06.52 | SerajewelKS | it seems that the fork is not calling any of the functions in my preload library |
| 06:07.08 | Kevin` | xfs anr reiser4 I believe do not handle hard failures well |
| 06:07.14 | starz | emss, yeah i went to reiser, but i dont know the version. is there a way to tell ? |
| 06:07.16 | Kevin` | at least xfs doesnt |
| 06:07.17 | emss | starz I have not lost data on xfs and I have been using it since 2.4.x days |
| 06:07.22 | Kevin` | and reiser 4 is very new |
| 06:07.27 | starz | o.o |
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| 06:08.02 | emss | Kevin` what filesystem handles hardware failures well? |
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| 06:08.12 | Kevin` | emss ext3, like I said |
| 06:08.15 | Kevin` | hard, not hardware |
| 06:08.19 | Kevin` | as in CLICK |
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| 06:08.22 | emss | ah |
| 06:08.43 | Kevin` | it's nice and quiet when that happens though |
| 06:08.51 | Kevin` | almost don't want to turn things on and fix them |
| 06:09.16 | emss | starz I doubt you used reiser4 |
| 06:09.27 | starz | yeah your probably right |
| 06:09.37 | starz | i didnt have to check any special options, just chose reiser.. |
| 06:09.55 | emss | reiser4 isn't in mainline kernel yet |
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| 06:10.29 | Kevin` | I wouldn't want to use it until it is |
| 06:10.48 | Kevin` | unless it's really that much better then xfs |
| 06:12.16 | cast | "what fonts survives book burning best?" |
| 06:12.36 | Kevin` | large ones |
| 06:16.01 | nevyn | cast: depends on the intensity of the burning |
| 06:16.47 | unlink | it seems that wodim only burns about the first 15 MB of my ISO |
| 06:16.48 | Kevin` | perhaps you could add some sort of parity to the text |
| 06:16.59 | unlink | where cdrecord worked fine |
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| 06:17.25 | Kevin` | reproducable? |
| 06:17.45 | unlink | me? |
| 06:17.53 | Kevin` | yes |
| 06:18.15 | unlink | yes |
| 06:18.46 | Kevin` | wodim works fine for me, i'd report it as a bug |
| 06:18.55 | Kevin` | and use an older cdrecord version until you find the problem |
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| 06:26.24 | bobbyz | Hi, I was curious what types of network profile management software some of you guys use. I've played with 'whereami', but it's been kinda flaky for me. |
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| 06:33.24 | Azar | ha I don't need xnest or kde or gnome to run 3, 5, 8 10 window managers at same time.. |
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| 06:34.17 | bobbyz | yeah... X :1& X :2& ... |
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| 06:34.53 | kuko | Hey i have a i686 machine |
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| 06:35.02 | kuko | Im wondering which java i could get =\ |
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| 06:35.17 | kuko | Im looking on the site and i see ia32 & amd64 |
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| 06:35.37 | kuko | !java |
| 06:35.37 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 06:36.04 | bobbyz | ia32 = 686 |
| 06:36.17 | kuko | How? =\ |
| 06:36.24 | cast | keeping in mind i don't run gnome or kde. what do you guys think is faster, konsole or gnome-terminal? |
| 06:36.55 | Azar | cast: I thing both are bloated dinosaurus |
| 06:37.01 | Azar | I use none |
| 06:37.15 | cast | unfortunately aterm is displaying crap when i go pstree |
| 06:37.35 | Azar | I use X with openbox, that is all I got |
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| 06:37.44 | bobbyz | cast: konsole or yakuake (if you *were* a kde user) are nice |
| 06:37.48 | Azar | kuko: /msg dpkg questiontoask |
| 06:38.08 | eap | cast: which version? until 2.14 of gnome, i would think konsole was faster, now not much to give b/w them |
| 06:38.39 | cast | etch, so 2.14.2 |
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| 06:39.14 | eap | cast: Its not much to choose then, i personally prefer gnome-terminal |
| 06:39.42 | cast | *nods* |
| 06:40.18 | grendal_prime | ok i cant install gtk-gnutella on etch...what the ell |
| 06:40.20 | grendal_prime | hell |
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| 06:40.50 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.59 | grendal_prime | ??? |
| 06:41.02 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 06:41.19 | cast | !tell cast about locales |
| 06:41.34 | grendal_prime | i really like gtk-gnutella...its the shiznit as far as downloading...ummm "stuff" |
| 06:42.16 | cast | if i set my local to iso8859 instead of utf8 i think that'll fix my problem |
| 06:42.36 | eap | grendal_prime: apt-cache search gnutls |
| 06:42.37 | cast | i hope. |
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| 06:44.04 | cast | or not. its something to do with using UTF that results in aterm printing garbage for pstree, and having garbage for borders in mc |
| 06:45.20 | unlink | okay, i was lying. it works on a different computer. on this computer i get the error 03/0C/00 (write error) |
| 06:45.25 | eap | cast: ive been having the same problem with mc+borders on gnome-terminal as well :( |
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| 06:46.07 | cast | ahh. deleting -UTF-8 from the end of the var in /etc/environment fixed it :) |
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| 06:47.27 | eap | cast: hmmm i have no UTF-8 but i still have the problem, this warrants an investigatin :) |
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| 06:50.06 | cast | basically i want to do incremental backups to an untrusted host, i think the odd backup app supports that. mmm. |
| 06:50.47 | unlink | dump over ssh |
| 06:51.16 | cast | how does ssh help me? |
| 06:51.27 | bobbyz | cast: rsync over ssh |
| 06:51.39 | cast | ssh is irrelevent |
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| 06:52.14 | bobbyz | ummm...no, it's quite relevant |
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| 06:52.33 | eap | cast: maybe you will find this helpful ... http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/467 |
| 06:52.37 | DavidProck1981 | how do i tell what version on gnome i have |
| 06:53.44 | eap | cast: and once you have fixed this for incremental, kindly let us know how you did it :) |
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| 06:54.22 | cast | there is an app, by the author of rdiff-backup, that does exactly what i want. but i'm suspecious of unmaintained things that haven't had a final stable release :( |
| 06:55.05 | cast | https://www.debian-administration.org/articles/209 there it is |
| 06:55.11 | bobbyz | cast: I'm serious....rsync over ssh does exactly what you want |
| 06:55.38 | cast | and i'm serious. it doesn't. |
| 06:56.00 | bobbyz | lol...tell that to the companies I do it for |
| 06:56.04 | cast | 'i want to do incremental backups to an untrusted host', so ssh gets me nothing. |
| 06:56.14 | badd | There is a problem with this website's security certificate. |
| 06:56.28 | bobbyz | then rsync over rsh |
| 06:56.36 | cast | wow. ok, i'll explain |
| 06:56.37 | Life | in bios, it shows that i have 2 GB of ram |
| 06:56.45 | Life | however in debian, free shows that i have nly 1 GB |
| 06:56.50 | Life | anyone know what's wron |
| 06:57.07 | cast | the untrusted host is untrusted, right? so it shouldn't be able to read any of my backup, thus it has to be encrypted before it gets into the hands of that host so that host can not read it |
| 06:57.50 | cast | now ssh would create me a secure encrypted tunnel from me to the untrusted host, which is useless. that doesn't prevent the untrusted host from reading my data in plaintext |
| 06:57.59 | bobbyz | fine, so you encrypt an incremental tar |
| 06:58.11 | bobbyz | that's pretty easy too |
| 06:58.36 | cast | now if i use a decent encrypted backup solution, ssh is still useless. because its already encrypted i have nothing to lose but only speed to gain by using, say, ftp instead |
| 06:58.46 | cast | so *that* is wht rsync+ssh is not relevent. |
| 06:59.50 | bobbyz | well that's still an easy problem to solve by encrypting an incremental tar, but the wording on your initial question was lacking key info |
| 07:00.55 | L4m3r | How can I make Etch not compensate for the time zone? the hardware clock is set to local time, as I am using a dual-boot setup |
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| 07:02.22 | Pf123b | Hello guys, any of you guys familiar with ProFTPD? |
| 07:02.27 | eap | L4m3r: not sure i understand. If your timezone is set to local time, then simply set your timezone to the local ? |
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| 07:02.47 | eap | Pf123b: got a bit of exp. with proftpd |
| 07:02.59 | cast | set your timezone to the UTC+0:00 one |
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| 07:03.16 | wookienz | sep, i got round cube installed, just got to get it going, has an error on start. you in? |
| 07:03.17 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 07:03.32 | Pf123b | eap, easy question, but how would I add a second FTP account, not annymous, and to only a certain directory? |
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| 07:03.47 | L4m3r | isn't there some sort of configuration option that will fix it, though? I remember seeing it in an installer for Sarge I think |
| 07:04.09 | eap | you need to use the <limit> feature for that dir config in the conf file |
| 07:04.18 | bobbyz | Pf123b: yeah, the correct zoneinfo for you would be /usr/share/zoneinfo/localtime |
| 07:04.18 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I just got a ipod shuffle mailed to me... Can someone offer some advice on using a ipod with debian and how well it works? Thanks |
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| 07:04.30 | bobbyz | or "localtime" |
| 07:04.37 | eap | Pf123b: you need to use the <limit> feature for that dir config in the conf file |
| 07:04.52 | Pf123b | im really new to proftpd, can you expand on that? |
| 07:05.00 | bobbyz | err wrong person |
| 07:05.25 | bobbyz | L4m3r: /usr/share/zoneinfo/localtime or "localtime" is correct zone for you |
| 07:05.53 | eap | Pf123b: in simple terms create the dir, then config the dir in proftpd.conf and LIMIT the commands possible / Users allowed for that dir |
| 07:06.14 | eap | Pf123b: look @ /usr/share/doc/proftpd* |
| 07:06.29 | Pf123b | Ok |
| 07:06.31 | Pf123b | thanks eap |
| 07:07.07 | kapace | hmm |
| 07:07.14 | kapace | so which config code oculd it be? |
| 07:07.16 | bobbyz | Pf123b: do read those docs, but you can simply create a new user account on your system, create their homedir, and set proftpd to use its chroot settings to limit them to theit homedir |
| 07:07.30 | kapace | but all users are either anon or guest |
| 07:07.38 | kapace | it says so in the docs |
| 07:08.20 | bobbyz | you can have proftpd authenticate via normal system authentication |
| 07:08.28 | kapace | how? |
| 07:08.53 | bobbyz | it's all covered in the proftpd docs and on their webpage, which has incredibly good info |
| 07:09.15 | kapace | ok |
| 07:09.18 | eap | a cursory glance will fill you in, excellent docs.. |
| 07:09.20 | Pf123b | I looked, and found only annymous stuff, not an actual user login and password, but I'll check again |
| 07:09.23 | kapace | you heard him read, read ,read |
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| 07:10.02 | cast | "Cryptography is nothing more than a mathematical framework for discussing various paranoid delusions." -- Don Alvarez |
| 07:10.05 | DavidProck1981 | did u all know debian uses gnome 2.8 and the latest ver is 2.16 |
| 07:10.06 | cast | lol. |
| 07:10.25 | SpeedyG | hey guys, I cant remember.. and cant google because of the lack of a working browser, but were the reboot-options for doing a fsck on the root-FS again? :( |
| 07:10.27 | cast | DavidProck1981: i always knew we were ahead of our time |
| 07:10.40 | kapace | programming can be fun, and so can cyptography, but never mix them together |
| 07:10.41 | DavidProck1981 | huh |
| 07:10.42 | bobbyz | Pf123b: their are authentication modules for all sorts of things...the easiest for integrating into an existing system would be the pam auth module |
| 07:10.45 | DavidProck1981 | cast? |
| 07:11.01 | DavidProck1981 | we who |
| 07:11.05 | DavidProck1981 | do what |
| 07:11.10 | bobbyz | Pf123b: though you can use ldap, sql, a separate password file, etc. |
| 07:11.25 | SpeedyG | DavidProck1981: 2.8 > 2.16, so debian == ahead of its time :P |
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| 07:12.13 | Pf123b | so, look for pam? |
| 07:12.21 | DavidProck1981 | 2.8 < 2.16 = True, 'u' got your math wrong |
| 07:12.50 | SpeedyG | 2.16, 2.17, 2.18, 2.19, 2.20, etc .. 2.79, 2.8 |
| 07:12.50 | SpeedyG | :P |
| 07:13.21 | SpeedyG | 2.08 would be older than 2.16 |
| 07:13.21 | SpeedyG | but thats not what you said ;) |
| 07:13.22 | kapace | nah |
| 07:13.22 | kapace | i think use mysql |
| 07:13.24 | kapace | since you have lamp |
| 07:13.30 | eap | well ... 2.8 != 2.80 ;-) |
| 07:13.41 | bobbyz | Pf123b: or if you want to keep ftp authentication and normal authentication separate, then either look at the AuthUserFile and AuthGroupFile directives or if you want to support a large number of ftp users who auth outside of your normal system auth, then lok into ldap or sql auth with proftpd |
| 07:13.50 | SpeedyG | I guess devvers should learn how to count :p |
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| 07:14.25 | DavidProck1981 | Listen to this......... |
| 07:14.37 | Pf123b | well, i only need like 3-4 accounts, ill take a look into this pam module, although its late here in mexico :( |
| 07:14.40 | Pf123b | thanks bobbyz |
| 07:14.45 | kapace | pf using somethign easier |
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| 07:14.50 | bobbyz | Pf123b: one important thing to note, though, is that if you do use pam for ftp authentication, then either config proftpd for ftp over SSL or watch out! |
| 07:14.51 | SpeedyG | but nobody here knows how to force a fsck on reboot? :( |
| 07:15.03 | bobbyz | because normal FTP (including authentication) is unencrypted |
| 07:15.11 | eap | Pf123b: for 3 -4 a/cs i would just create sys acounts, and allow ftp but disable shell |
| 07:15.16 | Pf123b | sheesh, more configuring |
| 07:15.22 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.gnome.org/ Latest News GNOME 2.16 Released!, SO ANY THING OTHER THAN THAT IS OLDER |
| 07:15.32 | kapace | use something easire! |
| 07:16.26 | eap | :) easier == webmin ? :) |
| 07:16.41 | kapace | ftpd? |
| 07:16.44 | DavidProck1981 | do u get what im saying |
| 07:16.48 | eap | ah |
| 07:16.55 | DavidProck1981 | i got to go later |
| 07:17.07 | bobbyz | Pf123b: I second kapace. Proftpd is a great piece of software, and I use it a lot, but just be careful when running an FTP server. You might want something easier to setup...you don't want to intriduce a bunch of holes into your system if you don't know what you're doing :) |
| 07:17.11 | Pf123b | Webmin is a control panel no? Im trying to use this zpanel, but for it actually work, I need to get ftp accounts. |
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| 07:17.29 | kapace | heeh i samrt |
| 07:17.34 | bobbyz | :) |
| 07:17.35 | eap | Pf123b: go with what kapace said, ftpd is good |
| 07:17.54 | kapace | ftpd is an actual ftp server? |
| 07:18.15 | Pf123b | lol nice guess |
| 07:18.18 | kapace | i just gueesed |
| 07:18.40 | eap | it is right.. i used to run it from inetd (awhile ago) |
| 07:18.51 | eap | wait apt-cache searching. |
| 07:18.51 | lastnode|afk | kapace: ftp (d)<-- is usually for daemon |
| 07:19.03 | bobbyz | there are also some ftp servers with graphical config utils. I know redhat used to push one of them but can't remember which |
| 07:19.06 | kapace | ya i know |
| 07:19.10 | kapace | but thats generic |
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| 07:19.22 | kapace | ftpd could be apache (with mod) |
| 07:19.23 | eap | Pf123b: apt-cache search ftpd :) |
| 07:19.26 | Pf123b | im fine with commandline, as long as its more or less simple |
| 07:19.53 | lastnode|afk | kapace: it would prolly have apache somewhere in he package name then |
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| 07:20.40 | eap | ah now i get in search google for in.ftpd |
| 07:20.47 | eap | s/in/it/ |
| 07:20.50 | bobbyz | Pf123b: well if you do end up with proftpd, then do something like creating fake passwd/group files and use the AuthUserFile and AuthGroupFile directives as well as proftpd's internal chroot'ing |
| 07:21.00 | bobbyz | at least that would somewhat protect you |
| 07:21.01 | Pf123b | eap, thats alot, got any suggestions? |
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| 07:21.32 | eap | well, i find proftpd pretty simple, aint though, should work for you out -of -box .. mostly |
| 07:21.57 | eap | Pf123b: mostly == you will need to config like i said |
| 07:22.02 | Pf123b | well, it works, but i only have one account, and i want multiple |
| 07:22.16 | eap | Pf123b: create more accounts.. |
| 07:22.41 | Pf123b | eap, im trying, but I'm not really good at this stuff, yet anyways |
| 07:22.46 | eap | and you can disable shell (shell=/bin/false) and use hence use only ftpd access |
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| 07:23.43 | eap | Pf123b: ..http://www.proftpd.org/ |
| 07:24.05 | Pf123b | I'm hopeless. |
| 07:24.30 | eap | Pf123b: :) its easy trust me , stick with it |
| 07:24.32 | Pf123b | to create accounts, would it be the UserPassword part of the .conf? |
| 07:24.56 | Pf123b | because I see the login name that I have, and then what seems to be an encryption of my password |
| 07:24.57 | eap | Pf123b: i meant system accounts (users) |
| 07:25.13 | bobbyz | Pf123b: I know you don't want to hear this, but you really should just visit the website and read all the docs |
| 07:25.15 | Pf123b | Won't that slow down my already terribly slow computer? |
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| 07:25.41 | Pf123b | bobbyz, maybe i should, from the little I have read, ive gotten frightened. |
| 07:25.50 | eap | Pf123b: no itll be terribly slow on a slow connection :) |
| 07:25.52 | bobbyz | it's a must |
| 07:26.24 | Pf123b | so, creating multiple users for the computer, like when it starts. Have more than one? and it wont slow me down? |
| 07:26.24 | eap | Pf123b: think .. "gradutation process... " |
| 07:27.00 | Gokee2 | Can someone help me install gtkpod? apt-get install gtkpod says "gtkpod: Conflicts: libgpod0 (>= 0.4.0) but 0.4.0-0.3 is to be installed". How can I fix this? |
| 07:27.12 | eap | ? debian == linux == unix == Multi user, you could optionally choose to auth via non sys users., (thats more compex.. kinda) |
| 07:27.24 | bobbyz | Pf123b: you know if you're not an experienced linux user and you want to run an ftp server from windows, there are decent (free) ftp windows servers out there too |
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| 07:28.12 | Pf123b | Yes I know, but when i mean i have an old computer, I mean i installed linux because of the performance, and I actually like it. So im in this entire learning process |
| 07:28.38 | Pf123b | I was starting to use linux on my desktop aswell, but you know mexican power companies, im computerless, just stuck messing around with an old laptop |
| 07:28.54 | eap | Pf123b: you really need to make the effort to read the docs .. |
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| 07:30.03 | Pf123b | Ok, I'll try. But I'm off to bed for now, too late. They should really make adding an account easier :\. |
| 07:30.08 | Pf123b | Thanks eap and bobbyz |
| 07:30.16 | bobbyz | np |
| 07:30.26 | eap | Pf123b : anytime |
| 07:30.34 | kapace | thanks eap |
| 07:31.01 | marc2 | Gokee2: try apt-get -f install |
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| 07:32.04 | etrask | aww.... WIR isn't soon enough :( |
| 07:33.06 | Gokee2 | marc2, That says everything is fine |
| 07:34.01 | Gokee2 | marc2, And if I do "apt-get -f install gtkpod" I get the same problem as before |
| 07:34.14 | marc2 | try installing that library |
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| 07:35.21 | Gokee2 | marc2, I did thats what brought me here. before I installed libgpod0 it said "gtkpod: Depends: libgpod0 but it is not going to be installed" So I installed libgpod0.... |
| 07:36.09 | marc2 | etch? |
| 07:36.15 | marc2 | probably packages built for different distros |
| 07:36.19 | Gokee2 | marc2, testing |
| 07:36.28 | marc2 | apt-cache policy package |
| 07:36.32 | SonnyBurnett | offtopic: can somebody explain me the meaning of atomicity about concurrent programming? |
| 07:37.08 | peterS | SonnyBurnett: if an operation is atomic, other threads cannot see or be influenced by it in a half-finished state - they either see the before picture or the after picture |
| 07:37.29 | marc2 | peterS strikes again |
| 07:37.45 | unlink | an atomic operation is one which is guaranteed to either finish or fail without other threads interfering with that operation |
| 07:38.03 | goodthing | what could be the reason why a debian installation in dead slow? (the part before installing packages) |
| 07:38.36 | lastnode | can someone hilight my nick please |
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| 07:38.46 | SonnyBurnett | unlink, peterS , so what happens when in a middle of the process one thread fails? |
| 07:38.46 | marc2 | lastnode: |
| 07:39.04 | unlink | SonnyBurnett: what process? |
| 07:39.05 | lastnode | thanks marc2 |
| 07:39.05 | peterS | SonnyBurnett: that depends on the mechanisms you are using for atomicity |
| 07:39.10 | Gokee2 | marc2, Ok, the one from testing is marked for install for gtkpod (0.99.4-2) and the testing one is installed for libgpod0 (0.4.0-0.3) |
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| 07:39.55 | SonnyBurnett | unlink, I mean when the thread is running |
| 07:40.16 | SonnyBurnett | peterS, So depends of the Concurrent Programming Language |
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| 07:40.45 | hadron | hello |
| 07:40.56 | peterS | SonnyBurnett: I have no idea what a "Concurrent Programming Language" is. most of the time, you use a regular programming language and you use library calls or language facilities for doing thread synchronization, atomicity, and stuff like that. |
| 07:41.28 | peterS | SonnyBurnett: so like in C you usually use the 'pthread' (POSIX threading) library. in python, you use native language facilities. |
| 07:41.39 | hadron | I'm trying to get hardware sensors to work but when I run sensors-detect, after boot X does not load up. I did a reinstall b4. now I'm stuck |
| 07:42.35 | SonnyBurnett | unlink, peterS , Thanks... you have cleared my doubts |
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| 07:45.46 | hadron | hello |
| 07:46.02 | unlink | hi |
| 07:46.48 | Gokee2 | gtkpod has the same version in both testing and unstable |
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| 07:48.13 | hadron | <unlink>im trying to work with lm_sensors |
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| 07:50.47 | hadron | <unlink> when I run sensors-detect, X does not load up on reboot. I did a reinstall b4. now I'm stuck |
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| 07:55.21 | Gokee2 | If gtkpod depends on libgpod0 to be >= 0.4.0 why does libgpod0 (version 0.4.0-0.3) not work?! |
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| 08:07.27 | eduhat | hey guys |
| 08:07.45 | hadron | hi |
| 08:07.52 | Hansel | hay is for horses. |
| 08:08.08 | eduhat | but i didnt say hay, i said hey |
| 08:08.08 | eap | :-) |
| 08:08.16 | Hansel | I heard "hay" |
| 08:08.24 | eduhat | i see "hey" |
| 08:08.25 | eduhat | :D |
| 08:08.27 | eduhat | w/e |
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| 08:08.30 | Hansel | I am blind... I use text 2 speech |
| 08:08.47 | eduhat | well, i need to re-install debian, but i dont have the cd with me. Can i do it from within debian it self? |
| 08:08.52 | Hansel | sure can. |
| 08:09.00 | eduhat | how? |
| 08:09.06 | Hansel | apt-get has a nifty little feature. |
| 08:09.15 | Supaplex | Hansel: then either listen closely for the inflection, or get a better text to speech engine :) |
| 08:09.42 | Supaplex | oh, and that context thing. *yawn* |
| 08:10.01 | eduhat | Hansel: so what is that feature called? |
| 08:10.28 | Gokee2 | Haha! I was able to grab a package from the ubuntu site for gtkpod! |
| 08:10.29 | Hansel | a large magnet is the best feature. |
| 08:10.53 | eduhat | yeah right, but for real, how could i do this? |
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| 08:11.26 | Supaplex | Gokee2: keep comingling packages, and your package management will turn into one ugly milkshake. |
| 08:12.18 | eap | eduhat: im curios why do you need to re-install (?), or do you mean upgrade ? |
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| 08:13.35 | eduhat | eap: Alot of stuff isnt working because my laptop battery ran out and it just shut off. So ill figure ill just re-install. |
| 08:14.03 | eap | eduhat: maybe a simple fsck would solve it ? |
| 08:14.22 | hadron | hi |
| 08:14.23 | eap | sounds like fs-corruption |
| 08:15.15 | eap | eduhat: simple ans, if you need to 're-install' w/o Cd, use net sources from a mirror |
| 08:15.19 | eduhat | eap: allright its running |
| 08:15.35 | eduhat | fsck ran, now what? |
| 08:15.45 | eap | all clear? |
| 08:15.49 | eduhat | nope |
| 08:15.53 | Gokee2 | Supaplex, How else should I make gtkpod work? |
| 08:15.56 | eduhat | i need to re-install |
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| 08:16.29 | Supaplex | Gokee2: if you must, grab the deb-src, check debian/* and build |
| 08:16.33 | eap | eduhat: ok configure apt-get to pull of the net, and enjoy! |
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| 08:16.55 | eduhat | yeah, eap, how do i do that? |
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| 08:17.34 | eap | eduhat: 1. man apt-get 2. hit deb .org, read a bit and choose a mirror |
| 08:17.48 | Supaplex | !apt-setup |
| 08:17.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 08:17.50 | eap | eduhat: :-D sorry, but thats the best and easiest to explain |
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| 08:18.07 | eduhat | eap: everything helps... |
| 08:18.35 | Supaplex | eduhat: read what dpkg said just now =) |
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| 08:19.19 | Gokee2 | Supaplex, Is there a page somewhere that will walk me through it? |
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| 08:20.30 | hadron | anyone here has lm_sensors to work? after modifying ( sensors-detect) /etc/modprobe X will not load |
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| 08:23.39 | Supaplex | Gokee2: /msg dpkg simple sid backport (modify as needed) |
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| 08:28.22 | g333k | In the debian kernel tree located at '/lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build' ? |
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| 08:29.01 | g333k | Is the debian kernel tree located at '/lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build' ? * |
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| 08:40.42 | cast | hmm, debians sshd isn't compiled with null cipher support is it? |
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| 08:41.59 | vlt | cast: Don't think so, either. |
| 08:42.20 | cast | would be handy :( sometimes you dont need confidentiality |
| 08:43.02 | vlt | cast: Once needed it for thin clients that couldn't handle encryption |
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| 08:43.22 | vlt | cast: (too slow) |
| 08:44.54 | vlt | tarzeau, cast: Update: I had to stop the lzma compression in the evening after 11 hours. The simultaniously started bzip2 process finished successfully after 90 minutes. |
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| 08:46.21 | vlt | tarzeau, cast: gzip file was 3.7 GB, bzip2 file was 3.6 GB, lzma image was 3.0 GB when I had to stop it. |
| 08:47.45 | cast | i think i said this then, lzma is faster than bzip2 for better compression, so if you had picked your compression level to match the 3.6gb bzip2 filesize, then it would have been faster |
| 08:47.50 | cast | i'll try it now as an example |
| 08:48.04 | cast | i'll just grab the kernel source pkg |
| 08:48.43 | cast | [just = 5 minutes] |
| 08:49.40 | SerajewelKS | is there some gdb command that i can use that will, for all instructions executed until the next break, flag them so i can get a list of those instructions? |
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| 08:51.24 | vlt | cast: The source stream was about 70 GB, but only 5.8 GB of them real data. The rest was filled with zeros (unused partition space). I think lzma failed to handle these lots of zero bytes efficiently ... |
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| 08:54.29 | cast | well. |
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| 08:54.55 | cast | maybe you're right |
| 08:55.09 | cast | ill test with the kernel sources first, then with a condition like you're stating then |
| 08:55.13 | cast | i'm curious too :) |
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| 08:56.18 | cyzie_ | hello all, encounter error 17 on grub. what is that? |
| 08:57.10 | cast | cyzie_: google. it'll probably be written down somewhere |
| 08:57.10 | vlt | Does anyone know how to define the ID of a partition? I have now "prim: sda1, sda2, free space, log.: sda5, sda6". /boot is in sda6. If I create new partitions with cfdisk sda6 changes. How to prevent this (or how to tell grub in MBR where /boot is)? |
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| 08:57.46 | smhar | hello again.. I finished installing etch and gnome and i am now installing kde, it takes forever since my isp throttle my speed for this month :-) anyway.. I want to install firefox 2.0 and for that I downloaded it from mozilla site and tried to apt-get remove tehe one supplied by debian but it said it will remove gnome-desktop-environment as well.. does this mean it will remove the installed gnome? |
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| 09:00.25 | cast | vlt: btw, you do know of 'dump' right? |
| 09:01.43 | vlt | cast: dd? |
| 09:01.51 | cast | no, dump |
| 09:02.04 | vlt | cast: No, I don't. What is it? |
| 09:02.07 | ndowens | smhar: yep it seems |
| 09:02.15 | cast | vlt: it might be something you really like :) |
| 09:02.43 | tarzeau | vlt: that's 600mb less AT LEAST |
| 09:02.44 | vlt | cast: I'll look for it ... |
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| 09:02.50 | valdyn | smhar: no it doesnt, gnome-desktop-environment is a package that depends on a alot of things. removing firefox after g-d-e was installed will give you gnome minus firefox |
| 09:03.34 | valdyn | smhar: gnome's webbrowser might depend on firefox, so i guess minux epiphany too, but you will still have the rest of gnome |
| 09:03.35 | cast | vlt: it 'dumps' a file system |
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| 09:05.14 | cyzie_ | is there a fast way to fix grub issue? |
| 09:05.23 | cyzie_ | i got Error 17 when loading grub, stage 1.5 |
| 09:05.38 | xingu | vlt: you could use UUID=... syntax in fstab |
| 09:05.56 | xingu | vlt: update-grub groks this and will rebuild menu.lst appropriately. |
| 09:07.02 | vlt | cast: Can't find it. What's the pkg name? |
| 09:07.20 | cast | dump, xfsdump |
| 09:07.29 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:07.29 | cast | xfsdump is definitely the right dump |
| 09:07.29 | dpkg | <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 09:07.47 | cast | LOL |
| 09:08.03 | _kber | niiiiice. |
| 09:08.07 | cast | did he find the reason? |
| 09:08.15 | smhar | valdyn: nice to know that. is firefox 2.0 available in debian yet, or do I need to get from mozilla? |
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| 09:11.06 | vlt | cast: Found it, but it can't handle NTFS. But ntfsclone does and that's what I'm using right now to "dump" the fs. That's why 64 of 70 GB were put out as zeros. |
| 09:11.28 | cast | oh. ntfs. ew. |
| 09:12.02 | vlt | Is it possible to pipe raw file data into tar? |
| 09:12.08 | cast | vlt: try lzma -2 btw, seems to be signficantly faster then default bzip2 and a 2%ish bigger |
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| 09:13.13 | vlt | cast: 2% bigger nearly reaches the file size of the gzip image which took 15 minutes to create ;-) |
| 09:13.36 | vlt | cast: (*only* 15 min.) |
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| 09:13.58 | xingu | vlt: if the file is *actually* nulls then cp -a should turn it into a sparse file. |
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| 09:14.22 | cast | hmmm, so it does, gzip is indeed fast :) |
| 09:15.39 | _kber | is it just me, or are the cd images not available right now? |
| 09:15.54 | vlt | xingu: But I have no file yet, I have data in a pipe ... If I netcat this all the zeros are transmitted and stored as zeros on the other host. If I could pipe it into `tar -S` ... |
| 09:17.52 | netcrash | hello, how can I boot debian sarge with libdata and sata_uli ? The modules for sata aren't being loaded in debian but ubuntu shows them |
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| 09:20.10 | surfbuddy | is there any short cut way to rename files with a part extension in multiple directories |
| 09:20.21 | surfbuddy | part = particular |
| 09:21.02 | bobbyz | vlt: I haven't been paying attention. What are you trying to do? |
| 09:21.20 | surfbuddy | is there any short cut way to rename files with a particular extension in multiple directories |
| 09:21.32 | cast | vlt: what about rdiff? |
| 09:21.51 | cast | vlt: eh..oh. shh. nvm. i was thinking about later on :) |
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| 09:22.08 | eap | surfbuddy: man rename |
| 09:22.11 | xingu | surfbuddy: mmv |
| 09:22.47 | surfbuddy | eap ; rename does not recurse in the directories. theres no option |
| 09:23.30 | eap | surfbuddy: i do not think there is simpler way besides using this in a script, (i may be wrong)... |
| 09:23.46 | bobbyz | surfbuddy: you should be able to glob something on bash like: 'for file in */*; do mv $file ${file/.ext1/.ext2}; done' |
| 09:23.56 | xingu | alternatively, you could use mmv |
| 09:24.20 | cast | rename+find |
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| 09:24.47 | bobbyz | vlt: if you're trying to backup an ntfs partition to a remote machine, the man page for ntfsclone has a one-liner for it |
| 09:24.59 | vlt | bobbyz: Hello. I "dump" an ntfs fs using ntfsclone ... |
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| 09:25.17 | bobbyz | ntfsclone --save-image --output - /dev/hda1 | gzip -c | ssh host ?cat > backup.img.gz |
| 09:25.20 | vlt | bobbyz: Didn't know it has built in remote func. |
| 09:25.44 | bobbyz | ntfsclone --save-image --output - /dev/hda1 | gzip -c | ssh host ?cat > backup.img.gz` rather |
| 09:25.46 | vlt | bobbyz: That's what I already did. |
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| 09:26.00 | vlt | bobbyz: Problem is: ... |
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| 09:26.29 | vlt | bobbyz: When I unzip the target gzip/bzip/lzma it is not sparse. |
| 09:26.57 | abchirk | !ops LaZ spam on join is in asterisk, redhat too ;) |
| 09:26.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: LaZ spam on join is in asterisk, redhat too ;) |
| 09:27.15 | surfbuddy | bobbyz, but is it going to traverse in directories.. can u exactly quote me the string.. i want to convert all .S extensins into .s |
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| 09:27.48 | vlt | bobbyz: (Mmh, I didn't use --output and --save-image, maybe that's the problem ...?) |
| 09:27.57 | bobbyz | vlt: gunzip -c backup.img.gz | cp --sparse=always <blah> |
| 09:29.10 | vlt | bobbyz: That sounds good. Thank you. |
| 09:30.54 | bobbyz | surfbuddy: you can glob with as many *'s as needed, else you can do as cast mentioned and do a find /some/dir/ -exec rename ?s/\.S/\.s/? '{}' ';' |
| 09:30.58 | bobbyz | or something similar |
| 09:31.21 | bobbyz | errr |
| 09:31.34 | bobbyz | find /some/dir/ -exec rename ?s/\.S$/\.s/? '{}' ';' |
| 09:31.46 | bobbyz | that $ would be important |
| 09:32.26 | gcbirzan | Use xargs :-) |
| 09:32.40 | bobbyz | that too...there's a heck of a lot of ways to do it :) |
| 09:32.46 | bobbyz | vlt: np |
| 09:32.47 | xingu | mmv descends and has regex |
| 09:32.57 | gcbirzan | xargs will be a couple of orders of magnitude faster. |
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| 09:34.39 | xingu | can cp actually read from stdin? |
| 09:34.48 | bobbyz | xingu: yes |
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| 09:35.44 | xingu | # cat /etc/hosts | cp foo |
| 09:35.44 | xingu | cp: missing destination file operand after `foo' |
| 09:35.48 | xingu | for what values of cp? |
| 09:36.05 | SerajewelKS | is there some gdb command that i can use that will, for all instructions executed until the next break, flag them so i can get a list of those instructions? |
| 09:36.55 | RichiH | abchirk: thanks |
| 09:37.01 | SerajewelKS | bobbyz: no it can't |
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| 09:37.02 | abchirk | pls welcome |
| 09:37.13 | SerajewelKS | xingu: cat /etc/hosts > foo |
| 09:37.16 | bobbyz | SerajewelKS: yes it can... cp /proc/self/fd/0 /some/dest |
| 09:37.48 | bobbyz | echo "test" | cp /proc/self/fd/0 /tmp/test |
| 09:37.52 | bobbyz | cat /tmp/test |
| 09:38.46 | bobbyz | every process that opens a file descriptor should be able to be given the standard proc paths for itself and stdin stderr etc |
| 09:39.16 | SerajewelKS | bobbyz: doubt that's portable but okay |
| 09:39.35 | surfbuddy | xingu, therex no man page for mmv |
| 09:39.40 | xingu | so getting back to vlt's actual issue, he'll need to use that swizzle |
| 09:39.45 | xingu | surfbuddy: have you installed it? |
| 09:39.51 | bobbyz | SerajewelKS: you are just grumpy you're wrong :) |
| 09:40.16 | bobbyz | but obviously it depends on the kernel of the OS you are using...since vlt asks in a linux chan I answer with a linux response |
| 09:40.27 | surfbuddy | xingu, dont know..i dont hve an intenet connection too. |
| 09:40.32 | SerajewelKS | bobbyz: more like "if you need to do that you're approaching the problem incorrectly anyway" :P |
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| 09:40.54 | bobbyz | vlt's problem is the need for creating sparse files from standard input |
| 09:40.58 | xingu | SerajewelKS: the problem is turning gzip's output into a sparse file |
| 09:41.05 | obstfliege | guten morgen! |
| 09:41.10 | xingu | SerajewelKS: and the correct solution is a patch for gzip and unavailable |
| 09:41.13 | bobbyz | that's the best way to do it without writing your own c program |
| 09:41.31 | surfbuddy | bobbyz, i did find -name ./ -exec rename ?s/\.S$/\.s/? '{}' ';' dint work though |
| 09:41.36 | xingu | bobbyz: its still not reading from stdin though, it's reading from what it believes to be an ordinary fd |
| 09:41.51 | xingu | bobbyz: :) semantically different, same net result |
| 09:41.57 | bobbyz | yeah yeah |
| 09:42.37 | bobbyz | surfbuddy: I think your irc prog is translating some chars wrong or something is you saw question marks |
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| 09:44.37 | SerajewelKS | will cp even generate sparse files from non-sparse ones? |
| 09:44.49 | xingu | --sparse=always |
| 09:45.02 | bobbyz | yeah, mentioned that above :) |
| 09:45.12 | bobbyz | it's a nice little switch to cp |
| 09:45.20 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
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| 09:46.20 | surfbuddy | bobbyz, what do u mean..therz no questin mark..i just copied your statement and pasted it ! |
| 09:46.38 | xingu | the correct answer to any question regarding sparse files is that assuming bandwidth is more costly than horsepower is a fairly short term world view |
| 09:47.12 | xingu | ... and that allowing overcommits in backing store is not clever |
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| 09:48.48 | Apachez | hello, how do I list which packages are installed in a debian system ? |
| 09:49.34 | bobbyz | xingu: amen to that |
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| 09:53.34 | Dunedan | Apachez: should be "dpkg -l" |
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| 09:55.41 | Apachez | yeah found it, tnx :) |
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| 10:06.20 | Quibus | Hi guys. I saw that FC6 makes it easy for you to enable "Desktop Effects" (the compiz stuff). Will this also be in etch, when it releases? If so, how do I notice that in my current testing? :-) |
| 10:07.32 | abchirk | hm i wanted to reconfigure exim / sendmail again and how i get to the menu to configure it? dpgk -reconfigure only did something automatically |
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| 10:07.50 | buu | abchirk: reconfigure the right package. |
| 10:08.20 | Quibus | abchirk: try to reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 10:09.54 | xvlun | hi, can you tell me if the debian sarge installer supports software Raid? |
| 10:10.33 | abchirk | thx Quibus that was it :) |
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| 10:11.01 | zophy__ | how can i purge a package without having to handle all the dependencies manually ? |
| 10:12.32 | freespace | using apt? |
| 10:13.11 | utrrrongeeb | When I temporarily changed the hostname on this computer, Xfce forgot my last session. When I changed the hostname back, it had the same old session. Is there any way to easily import Xfce sessions after a hostname change? |
| 10:13.16 | Quibus | aptitude purge <package> |
| 10:13.26 | Coweater | that assumes you used aptitude to install it |
| 10:13.41 | Quibus | it also works if you hadn't |
| 10:14.09 | zophy__ | freespace, using apt or anything that will woek |
| 10:14.13 | zophy__ | work |
| 10:14.34 | freespace | Quibus has already provided 2 possible solutions zophy__ |
| 10:14.46 | zophy__ | ah |
| 10:14.56 | Quibus | 2 even? :-) |
| 10:15.19 | freespace | my number system starts from 2 for some reason... |
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| 10:15.22 | Coweater | you sure about that? it removes things that depend on the package of course, but does nothing for stuff that was installed because of package |
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| 10:15.57 | ubox | hey all |
| 10:16.00 | Quibus | I wonder if there is a doc somewhere that explains all basic good commands that make using Debian a breeze: stuff about aptitude, alternatives, etc. The small things that make it rule in a smalld ocument. |
| 10:16.02 | ubox | do i have to set ip addrress range in .fetchmailrc when i am setting pop for LAN? |
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| 10:16.57 | Quibus | Coweater: if he hadn't used aptitude he is probably used to purge those deps with deborphan/apt-get remove --purge |
| 10:17.11 | Quibus | If not, he should :-) |
| 10:17.34 | zophy_ | aptitude seems to know how to do this |
| 10:18.59 | freespace | Quibus: you could write such a list... |
| 10:19.02 | D-fence | Hi all. I'm searching a way to prevent a package installation. I compiled the prog by myself and I want to prevent the package to crush my own version. ? |
| 10:19.04 | cast | faster dev time |
| 10:19.09 | freespace | Quibus: then place such a list on a mug |
| 10:19.13 | freespace | Quibus: then sell said mug |
| 10:19.16 | freespace | Quibus: profit!!!! |
| 10:19.17 | jareth_ | i'm downloading some background images and my cpu load is over 50% |
| 10:19.21 | Quibus | freespace: that's an idea :P |
| 10:19.30 | freespace | cafepress should make it a piece of cake :P |
| 10:19.57 | Quibus | D-fence: put it in your ~/bin or in /usr/local/bin and make sure that is earlier in your path than the package's version |
| 10:20.00 | insmod | D-fence : leve deps alone |
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| 10:20.55 | D-fence | ok, thanks |
| 10:21.38 | D-fence | I looked at the debian installation of the package and I did the same with the new one. (by the way, this is the sleuthkit package) |
| 10:22.09 | Quibus | D-fence: you should never mess with stuff in /usr/* yourself, except for /usr/local |
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| 10:22.24 | Quibus | Let the package management do that |
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| 10:24.05 | insmod | Quibus: not really but hey .... |
| 10:24.16 | Quibus | insmod: ? |
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| 10:24.48 | D-fence | Quibus: I understand, but I'm preparing a linux course and the users will have root passwords so they will be able to install packages |
| 10:24.50 | insmod | Quibus: always know what is in /usr |
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| 10:25.12 | Quibus | D-fence: ah! :-) |
| 10:25.42 | Quibus | D-fence: so, are you actually building a new package and you don't want upgrades to overwrite it? |
| 10:25.56 | insmod | D-fence: very bad idea |
| 10:26.19 | D-fence | The idea of giving them root privileges ? |
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| 10:26.29 | insmod | D-fence: ya |
| 10:27.23 | SerajewelKS | D-fence: use user-mode-linux, give them each their own virtual box with root |
| 10:27.27 | xingu | then again if someone can physically access a console they can break it anyway; whatever you do forensically will be suspect from the get-go |
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| 10:27.43 | LinuxHelp | !ping |
| 10:27.43 | dpkg | pong |
| 10:27.45 | xingu | use a livecd distribution would be my tuppence worth. |
| 10:27.45 | D-fence | Well, this is just school computers that will be sanitized after that |
| 10:28.13 | insmod | D-fence: then give root |
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| 10:28.23 | vlt | `cp - filename` complains about "no such file or dir". How to copy stdin? |
| 10:28.38 | SerajewelKS | vlt: why do you need sparse files anyway? |
| 10:28.39 | xingu | vlt: see the conversation about an hour ago - cp /proc/self/fd/0 |
| 10:28.40 | LinuxHelp | How can I check the what udma mode I'm using on my /dev/sda ? |
| 10:29.13 | vlt | xingu: Thx |
| 10:29.29 | vlt | SerajewelKS: The non-sparse file would be too large for my disc. |
| 10:29.33 | insmod | LinuxHelp: then you should know ! |
| 10:29.50 | D-fence | Quibus: no, I'm not used to make packages. But I would like to do it |
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| 10:30.06 | LinuxHelp | insmod, talk about cryptic.. |
| 10:30.19 | insmod | LinuxHelp: :) |
| 10:31.07 | abhinay | iam getting 404 error when i apt-get blender !! :-? |
| 10:31.49 | abhinay | error: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gettext/gettext_0.15-3_i386.deb 404 Not Found |
| 10:32.07 | SerajewelKS | abhinay: a mirror is out of sync |
| 10:32.12 | Quibus | abhinay: use apt-get update (or better: aptitude update) first |
| 10:32.38 | vlt | xingu, bobbyZzz: Thanks. Didn't realize you discussed the issue further ... |
| 10:32.39 | abhinay | ok |
| 10:32.40 | SerajewelKS | abhinay: or your package lists are as Quibus says |
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| 10:34.38 | utrrrongeeb | When I temporarily changed the hostname on this computer, Xfce forgot my last session. When I changed the hostname back, it had the same old session. Is there any way to easily import Xfce sessions after a hostname change? |
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| 10:38.23 | Xires | is there a way that I can 'tag' packages and later export a list of tagged packages so that I know they'll be required on another system? |
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| 10:38.48 | xingu | Xires: dpkg --{get,set}-selections |
| 10:39.32 | Xires | xingu; ty, is there a way to do it via aptitude? |
| 10:40.26 | xingu | -ENOCLUE |
| 10:40.35 | zophy_ | is debian going to have a sun java package ? |
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| 10:40.49 | Quibus | zophy_: only in non-free |
| 10:41.13 | karsten | Quibus: Um. It's now GPLd. |
| 10:41.20 | karsten | zophy_: Probably. |
| 10:41.26 | zophy_ | yes gpl |
| 10:41.28 | Quibus | karsten: it won't be GPL until March or so |
| 10:41.36 | Quibus | I guess then it will be in main |
| 10:41.40 | karsten | Quibus: Right. |
| 10:41.49 | zophy_ | i see |
| 10:41.55 | Xires | xingu; K, tyvm anyway |
| 10:42.02 | karsten | zophy_: Until then, non-free. |
| 10:42.13 | Quibus | yup |
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| 10:43.34 | karsten | utrrrongeeb: Um. The sessions are probalby saved somewhere under an .xfce* directory. You'd want to go digging for specifically where. |
| 10:45.08 | utrrrongeeb | karsten: So what would I have to do to transfer data between hostnames? |
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| 10:45.39 | karsten | utrrrongeeb: Um. I'd start with: find ~/.xfce* -type f |
| 10:46.20 | karsten | utrrrongeeb: ... and look for anythign specific to hostname. |
| 10:46.20 | karsten | utrrrongeeb: Actually, I'd probably just set up a session the way I wanted it and save the bloody thing. |
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| 10:47.00 | rj45 | hi dudes |
| 10:47.20 | rj45 | does lighttpd works fine on debian? |
| 10:48.28 | utrrrongeeb | karsten: I suppose re-doing it would be easiest... I would like to know why it is hostname-dependent, though. |
| 10:48.57 | karsten | utrrrongeeb: Dunno. I've played w/ xfce but not dug into it deep. Prefer windowmaker myself. |
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| 10:50.12 | Quibus | rj45: it seems to be in Debian, so yes, it should work fine. If not, you should file a bug :-) |
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| 10:50.31 | rj45 | Quibus ok :) |
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| 10:55.58 | LLcoolM | hi, how can i make a cpu use throtteling on linux? |
| 10:56.05 | LLcoolM | it is a normal p3 coppermine |
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| 10:56.17 | LLcoolM | i seem to need a userspace program for that |
| 10:56.23 | xingu | LLcoolM: cpufreqd/cpudynd |
| 10:56.37 | LLcoolM | ah ok |
| 10:58.04 | LLcoolM | cpudynd seems to be the easier one to configure |
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| 10:58.35 | surfbuddy | i have a new network card from Tamarack, and now I plugged in the Network card in the PCI slot, but it doesnt work. Perhaps no drivers.. can anyone help ? |
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| 10:58.51 | LLcoolM | surfbuddy: do a lspci to detect the chipset |
| 10:59.05 | Quibus | anyway, I was asking about compiz |
| 10:59.09 | Quibus | Hi guys. I saw that FC6 makes it easy for you to enable "Desktop Effects" (the compiz stuff). Will this also be in etch, when it releases? If so, how do I notice that in my current testing? :-) |
| 10:59.23 | Quibus | Nothing like that in Deb? |
| 10:59.28 | adamt | Hi! i just add a rule to /etc/security/limits.conf , but when is the file read? At boottime? Will i have to reboot to 'activate' the rule - or what? |
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| 11:00.43 | adamt | Quibus: can't you just use xorg => 7.1 and start compiz? :-) |
| 11:00.43 | karsten | adamt: IIRC: dynamically |
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| 11:00.43 | x06vh | Does the Debian installer have problem mountin a SATA drive? |
| 11:00.43 | adamt | karsten: cool, then i don't have to do anything more. |
| 11:00.55 | Quibus | adamt: I could, but in FC6 you can enable it from GNOME, which is preetty nice IMHO |
| 11:00.58 | SerajewelKS | x06vh: depends on the sata controller |
| 11:01.04 | Quibus | it switches window managers for you |
| 11:02.11 | x06vh | SerajawelKS : Seems funny that "Ubuntu" mounts np but not Debian. |
| 11:02.21 | adamt | Quibus: Maybe you should just keep using fc, or ubuntu if you really need that :-) |
| 11:02.59 | Quibus | adamt: I don't need it, I just liked it, it's quite userfriendly. |
| 11:03.30 | Quibus | adamt: btw, I don't use FC or Ubuntu, I just happened to see it in FC. :P (Debian user since 2001) |
| 11:05.39 | rhalff | anyone own a compaq ra4000 ? :p |
| 11:05.49 | streuner | ask a concrete question |
| 11:05.54 | rhalff | I need a fibre channel adapter for it and a cable, hmm.. hmm to niche ? :p |
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| 11:08.40 | rhalff | I can only find docs on a ra4100, so not sure what the specs should be for such a thing |
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| 11:08.43 | surfbuddy | LLcoolM, it displays a Ethernet Controller : Myson technology Inc Surecom EP-320X 100/10M Ehternet PCI Adapter |
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| 11:09.55 | Quibus | see you later ppl |
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| 11:11.57 | Teppich | ls |
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| 11:12.55 | vlt | Does anyone know how much data is transferred when I netcat a 70G/6G sparse file? (Don't wanna try and error now.) |
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| 11:14.56 | vlt | But now that I have a real file (after `cp --sparse=always`) I can `tar -S` and `netcat` it ... |
| 11:15.38 | rhalff | surfbuddy: using sarge ? |
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| 11:15.48 | surfbuddy | rhalff, yes |
| 11:16.16 | adamt | karsten: it's read at login by default |
| 11:16.26 | becks` | why must there be _always_ error when using linux? http://pastebin.ca/280987 |
| 11:16.26 | streuner | rhalff: did you ask on debian-isp ML? |
| 11:17.12 | surfbuddy | rhalff, well, i needed a driver for this particular card which is detected bylspci |
| 11:17.17 | surfbuddy | by lspci* |
| 11:17.29 | rhalff | streuner, no I didn't know that channel existed :) |
| 11:17.32 | rhalff | oh ML.. |
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| 11:18.17 | surfbuddy | rhalff, and however even if one gets a driver how is he supposed to install it? |
| 11:18.30 | streuner | yeah |
| 11:19.03 | surfbuddy | rhalff, strangely.. ifconfig etho up - doesnt give any errors..and still i cant logon |
| 11:19.56 | rhalff | so dmesg | grep eth0 maybe |
| 11:20.07 | rhalff | see if your driver is loaded anyways allready |
| 11:21.08 | surfbuddy | rhalff, it is ! it shows me eth0 : 100/10M Ethernet..blah blah.. , MAC address, IRQ5 |
| 11:21.21 | Mazingaro | is anyone using bootsplash on unstable? |
| 11:22.13 | streuner | rhalff: anyway, where did you get that from? |
| 11:23.03 | rhalff | streuner, dumped at my father's house :p but no cables with it and no pci card for the server |
| 11:23.20 | surfbuddy | damn..i did ifconfig eth0 up one more time...and it hanged |
| 11:24.01 | surfbuddy | rhalff, anyways...i need an another small help.. I am plugging in my External disk..and i mount it on a mount point... the FS is NTFS. |
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| 11:24.31 | rhalff | streuner, you know ra4000's ? I see 64-bit cards and 32-bit, I figure 64-bit is not what I need ? since it was released somewhere in 2000 or something |
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| 11:24.41 | surfbuddy | when i use mount command.. i get an entry... rw, ntfs in the /etc/fstab table |
| 11:24.56 | surfbuddy | but...i still cannot write anything in the external disk |
| 11:24.58 | surfbuddy | ? |
| 11:25.06 | blondie | surfbuddy: NTFS is read-only in linux really |
| 11:25.26 | rhalff | I think lately it does have write support ? |
| 11:25.33 | blondie | not safely |
| 11:25.36 | adamt | this might sound weird, but does testing and etch works as different branches? Etch is frozen - is testing also frozen? |
| 11:25.40 | blondie | !ntfs |
| 11:25.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
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| 11:26.16 | blondie | adamt: until etch is stable I should think |
| 11:26.17 | surfbuddy | blondie, but it shows rw actually..and i delib did it. mount -o remount,rw /dev/sda1 |
| 11:26.26 | blondie | surfbuddy: it won't work. |
| 11:26.49 | surfbuddy | i hve a FAT system also on the External..is it ok to copy the data there? |
| 11:26.53 | blondie | yes |
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| 11:27.24 | surfbuddy | blondie, thanks..will try it. |
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| 11:28.18 | surfbuddy | blondie, where can i get network drivers for my network card and can u suggest any links which would guide me how to install them? |
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| 11:29.22 | adamt | surfbuddy: depends on the chip on your network card. |
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| 11:30.10 | surfbuddy | adamt, its TAmarack.. thats what is written on the Chip |
| 11:30.58 | surfbuddy | adamt, but in general..how do u install a driver in Linux..? i am sure...therez no Add/Remove hardware here |
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| 11:31.03 | adamt | surfbuddy: can you please try running "lspci" and upload the output to a pastebin? |
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| 11:31.42 | adamt | surfbuddy: give me a minute to explain :-) |
| 11:32.04 | surfbuddy | adamt, Ethernet Controller : Myson technology Inc Surecom EP-320X 100/10M Ehternet PCI Adapter |
| 11:32.19 | surfbuddy | thats the lspci reply |
| 11:32.46 | adamt | surfbuddy: drivers can be one of three things. 1) compiled into the kernel (they works without doing anything), 2) compiled as modules (you need to modprobe them to load them), 3) windows drivers.. then you need to use ndiswrapper, and cross you fingers. |
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| 11:33.19 | adamt | surfbuddy: That sounds like the normal nic |
| 11:33.26 | kryptoz | Hi all |
| 11:33.34 | streuner | rhalff: ask in debian-iso ML |
| 11:33.38 | adamt | surfbuddy: can't you just upload the complete reply to a pastebin ;-) |
| 11:33.44 | adamt | hi kryptoz |
| 11:33.47 | kryptoz | Can anyone tell me where to get driver for ati x300 card ? |
| 11:33.51 | kryptoz | Hi adamt |
| 11:33.57 | rhalff | streuner, yeah thanks |
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| 11:34.07 | kryptoz | I saw in google that i have to use fgxrl |
| 11:34.11 | adamt | kryptoz: ati.com :-) |
| 11:34.14 | surfbuddy | adamt, i can..thanks for your help adamt.. i have to leave now..and will be back in 3 hours..i hope u are here |
| 11:34.31 | kryptoz | there its an rpm fine . I tried to install it using alien but giving error |
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| 11:34.42 | adamt | surfbuddy: i will be. if not, then just send a pm, and i will join the channel ;-) |
| 11:34.51 | surfbuddy | adamt, danke ( thanks ) |
| 11:35.10 | adamt | surfbuddy: auf wiedersehn |
| 11:35.26 | adamt | bah, can't spell :-) |
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| 11:36.14 | kryptoz | adamt: can u paste me ur source.list some where ? |
| 11:36.33 | adamt | kryptoz: yes of course.. |
| 11:36.47 | kryptoz | thank you. |
| 11:36.54 | adamt | kryptoz: http://pastebin.antistof.dk/39 |
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| 11:37.43 | kryptoz | thanx |
| 11:38.21 | steven | my second intferface is an DLink gigabit, lspci says unkwon device, how can I bind a the sk98lin module to that interface? |
| 11:38.24 | adamt | np. Not that i know why you want mine.. but hey.. fair enough.. |
| 11:39.06 | kryptoz | just wanted to modify mine for the fgxrl or something like that for the ati driver .. :( |
| 11:39.13 | kryptoz | vesa doesnt looks good |
| 11:39.18 | kryptoz | gives me trouble often |
| 11:40.02 | adamt | kryptoz: .. what good is my sources.list for that? xorg.conf would be more interessting :-) |
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| 11:40.13 | kryptoz | just checking ... |
| 11:40.25 | kryptoz | i have Xfree86 |
| 11:41.13 | adamt | are you running stable? |
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| 11:41.24 | kryptoz | etch |
| 11:41.41 | adamt | are you 100% sure you use xfree, and not xorg then? |
| 11:41.55 | kryptoz | yeah |
| 11:42.11 | Mr_magic | I want to use my second network card, lspci says D-link unknown device, is there a way to activate my card? |
| 11:42.17 | adamt | well, then you might want to start updating your system to xorg instead |
| 11:42.27 | kryptoz | i didnt updated to xorg .. as i was more comfortable with xfree as for now |
| 11:42.31 | kryptoz | mm |
| 11:42.41 | adamt | any specific reasons? |
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| 11:42.42 | kryptoz | this is what everyone told me .. maybe i should .. |
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| 11:43.01 | adamt | kryptoz: Yes, you ought to. |
| 11:43.33 | adamt | kryptoz: Xfree86 is dead. Xorg has been the new standard for several years now :-) |
| 11:43.49 | kryptoz | let me upgrade :d brb |
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| 11:44.21 | amortvigil | hey how can i get rid of my apache2.conf and get a new one? |
| 11:45.09 | pingouin | amortvigil: there is surely an sample.conf somewhere in the install path no ? |
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| 11:45.45 | amortvigil | <pingouin> where can i find the instal path?? |
| 11:46.49 | pingouin | amortvigil: check the /usr/doc/ or /usr/share/doc/ if you see something about apache maybe |
| 11:47.38 | DevilChaos | hey everybody |
| 11:48.55 | pingouin | DevilChaos: hey DevilChaos ;) |
| 11:49.37 | pingouin | adamt: Xfree dead ?! :/ i'm still using it under my sarge :/ am i a looser ? ;) |
| 11:50.11 | DevilChaos | you are not a looser |
| 11:50.20 | DevilChaos | noone here is |
| 11:50.25 | pingouin | i hope it will not be a mess, when i'll upgrade to etch when issue..... |
| 11:50.41 | pingouin | i need my Q4 and UT2K4 |
| 11:50.43 | cusco | that still remains to be seen! |
| 11:50.49 | adamt | pingouin: It haven't been developed under a true free license for a looong time... so yes, i would consider it dead. |
| 11:50.52 | DevilChaos | go testing its better and you still get security updates |
| 11:51.12 | cusco | not supported sec. updates |
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| 11:51.29 | pingouin | DevilChaos: i'm not good enought to handle «troubles» under testing, so i wait it goes stable |
| 11:51.37 | DevilChaos | go into vis nano /etc/apt/sources.list and change stable to testing |
| 11:51.46 | DevilChaos | then apt-get update |
| 11:51.54 | DevilChaos | then apt-get install |
| 11:51.59 | DevilChaos | your updated |
| 11:52.04 | pingouin | vis nano ? |
| 11:52.09 | cusco | lol |
| 11:52.09 | pingouin | emacs rules ;) |
| 11:52.11 | enouf | what? |
| 11:52.15 | DevilChaos | what graphics card do you have? |
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| 11:52.44 | pingouin | Model: GeForce 6800 GT |
| 11:52.48 | DevilChaos | i like nano compared to vi because its easier for me to control |
| 11:52.51 | enouf | pingouin: Stable uses Xfree86 .. period .. until Etch becomes stable atleast |
| 11:53.11 | DevilChaos | testing is stable enough |
| 11:53.15 | pingouin | enouf: i hope everything 'll going well |
| 11:53.22 | DevilChaos | even unstable is to an extent |
| 11:53.31 | enouf | pingouin: if you were going to upgrade prior .. you'd alter sources.list to read etch (not testing) |
| 11:53.46 | cusco | etch has frozen now |
| 11:53.51 | enouf | pingouin: that way you stay stable when etch is released |
| 11:53.52 | DevilChaos | either or |
| 11:54.10 | pingouin | i expect to get an 8800 graphic card soon |
| 11:54.11 | SerajewelKS | one thing about kde i do like better than gnome is its multi-head support. gnome sucks in that department |
| 11:54.18 | DevilChaos | ati? |
| 11:54.20 | pingouin | enouf: ok i understand |
| 11:54.23 | enouf | pingouin: and you'd use apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:54.28 | cusco | whats multi-head? |
| 11:54.50 | SerajewelKS | more than one (multi) monitor (hoad) |
| 11:54.56 | SerajewelKS | head too |
| 11:56.19 | amortvigil | how can i make apache2.conf.gz writeble? |
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| 11:58.56 | DevilChaos | would you guys say that an ibm think pad would be better than and asus a6rp laptop for drivers and install with debian integration? |
| 11:59.55 | RichiH | DevilChaos: at least my thinkpad x31 is fully working with debian |
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| 12:01.05 | DevilChaos | what does it have on it is it a recent one sorry im not familliar with thinkpads at the moment? |
| 12:01.12 | DevilChaos | spec i mean |
| 12:02.27 | diilbert | I am upgrading from sarge to etch. I did the following: Changed my sources.list to etch repositories and did apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade. With the last command I ran into issues with unmet dependencies... please see http://pastebin.ca/281006 |
| 12:02.29 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: R51 here, almost everything works out-of-the box (WLAN needs a bin-blob) |
| 12:02.42 | diilbert | any help is appreciated... |
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| 12:04.32 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: the X31 is a older model. the current models are T60, Z60 and R60. You can still buy T42-T43. I recommand the T43.... And by aware of the ATI-cards inside these. Newer FireGLs are not supported by open-source drivers. |
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| 12:04.38 | khaleel5000 | ok i have this (wired and pathetic idea) that since i have some *wierd* problems relating to SU and sudo in debian etch |
| 12:04.42 | khaleel5000 | i have pclinuxos 0.93 that I used before (and curently using along with debian etch )<khaleel5000> i can su and sudo (and stuff in pclinuxos) |
| 12:04.42 | khaleel5000 | is there a way i can install a fresh pclinuxos , create one user khaleel , install debian etch in anotehr partition , create user khaleel |
| 12:04.43 | khaleel5000 | then copy the *stuff* relevant to su , sudo (from pclinuxos to etch) ? |
| 12:04.43 | khaleel5000 | if yeah then what stuff is it that I should copy , if you can comment then what stuff you think I should copy (from pclinuxos to etch ) |
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| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sbin/nologin' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.24 | khaleel5000 | debhelper, dude its not flooding .....is it ? |
| 12:05.39 | DevilChaos | pumpkin0:fireglx works through unstable with module assistant and building them into the kernel |
| 12:05.55 | DevilChaos | i did it with my asus a6r |
| 12:06.13 | DevilChaos | i need to spend hours with it and i cant be arsed |
| 12:06.18 | war95 | I Currently use a rAID1 (SW RAID) w/dual raptor In lInux -- LILO supports this configuration with MD RAID, I was curious (i know raid5 is not supported) but is raid0 supported booting from with LILO? |
| 12:06.51 | DevilChaos | battery probs wireless and one or too other crappy things webcam too |
| 12:06.59 | diilbert | any ideas ? |
| 12:07.42 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: well, do you need 3D-power ? Or is a silent and fast system more important. |
| 12:07.59 | pumpkin0 | diilbert: it looks like you pinned something. |
| 12:08.24 | kryptoz | cool the india mirror is giving me 2Mbps :D |
| 12:08.37 | khaleel5000 | itchi, hey you there ? |
| 12:08.42 | DevilChaos | silent and fast with all availible add-ons as i want it to test my network suit im building |
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| 12:09.37 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: so you need a long batt-life and WLAN ? X-series ? |
| 12:10.04 | DevilChaos | yeah i guess so |
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| 12:12.17 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: if money is not the problem: new X-series. Else get a T43. It is better supported, but it´s not the recent C2D. With the T43 5 hours runtime with the stock-batt is possible. The X runs longer. |
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| 12:13.14 | DevilChaos | googling now |
| 12:13.22 | raz0 | pumpkin0, Meh. It's probably more like 4 hours (I have one). |
| 12:13.46 | raz0 | But an X-series only has 1024x768 resolution, which I find too litte to do series work. |
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| 12:14.38 | diilbert | pumpkin0: what ? |
| 12:14.42 | pumpkin0 | raz0: i said it´s possible. I didn´t say you get it out-of-the-box. |
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| 12:15.04 | Hertell | Hi all! |
| 12:15.16 | armage | hi hertell |
| 12:15.17 | Setzer` | hey |
| 12:15.20 | rsteele | hello |
| 12:15.31 | Hertell | is any of you running xen? |
| 12:15.36 | raz0 | pumpkin0, I don't get 5 hours with all the power management I can throw at it. |
| 12:15.40 | pumpkin0 | diilbert: you told apt-get/aptitude/... not the change the xfree-install in any way via pinning. |
| 12:15.42 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use xen |
| 12:15.42 | dpkg | No, no one uses xen, not even the people who use it. |
| 12:15.54 | SerajewelKS | Hertell: how about you ask your real question |
| 12:15.55 | Hertell | lol |
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| 12:15.58 | rsteele | interest |
| 12:16.00 | Setzer` | private |
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| 12:16.33 | armage | who is chinaese?? |
| 12:17.15 | pumpkin0 | raz0: i got 4:10 on a R51. Undervolting the CPU, laptopmode, Wifi-powersave. Stockruntime for the R51 is 2:30. |
| 12:17.27 | DevilChaos | what is c2d? |
| 12:17.38 | diilbert | pumpkin0: How do I change that... since I don't know how I would have done that... |
| 12:18.01 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: Core 2 Duo. the new intel-cpu. More power / watt and 2 cores. really, really fast... |
| 12:18.48 | raz0 | pumpkin0, Yeah okay. I don't undervolt. What load was that under though, the 4:10? |
| 12:18.49 | DevilChaos | like so if i had 2gig processor it would become 4 gig? |
| 12:19.03 | raz0 | Because no load is sort of .. deceptive. |
| 12:19.06 | pumpkin0 | raz0: openoffice and opera. |
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| 12:19.11 | raz0 | Mkay. |
| 12:19.43 | pumpkin0 | raz0: OK, no high-volume downloads, very few saves (=HD-spinups) and low display brightness. |
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| 12:20.13 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: a 2 GHz C2D is about 6 GHz P4. |
| 12:20.41 | DevilChaos | wow |
| 12:21.02 | diilbert | pumpkin0: I checked out the apt howto... and I can't pin anything if I have no /etc/apt/prefrences file... can I? |
| 12:21.16 | diilbert | And there is none on my system |
| 12:21.29 | pumpkin0 | diilbert: OK, did you put something on hold ? |
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| 12:21.41 | k-man__ | do you have to do something special so windows xp boxes can log in to a samba share as guest? |
| 12:22.13 | mrynit | k-man__ turn on file and printer sharing |
| 12:22.15 | diilbert | pumpkin0: I ONLY did what I mentioned in the above post... |
| 12:22.43 | diilbert | Straight upgrade... I thought it was just going to be an evening then I would have kde backup before bed... but I was wrong |
| 12:22.48 | k-man__ | mrynit, i have, but it asks me for a login when i try and connect to the samba box |
| 12:22.55 | k-man__ | and it does not accept guest |
| 12:22.57 | diilbert | did you look at the log I posted? |
| 12:23.02 | mrynit | pro or home? |
| 12:23.15 | pumpkin0 | diilbert: then a magic goblin has eaten your config. These things do not happen w/o some strange ops before. |
| 12:23.22 | mrynit | well the guest acount could be disable. check the user list on the XP box |
| 12:23.39 | diilbert | What config? The /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 12:23.46 | mrynit | ouch |
| 12:23.59 | diilbert | I don't think I have ever had one... I don't remember it being there since I did te install |
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| 12:24.25 | pumpkin0 | diilbert: upload your /etc/apt/sources.lst into a pastbin ... |
| 12:24.27 | diilbert | it wou;ld have had to of been long before the upgrade that this happened |
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| 12:25.13 | pumpkin0 | diilbert: apt has a very good memory. |
| 12:25.21 | DevilChaos | x60? |
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| 12:25.57 | Hertell | SerajewelKS: My real question is about apt-pinning.. mixing different releases.. somehow now if I want to install for example apt-build i get errors like: E: Broken packages |
| 12:25.57 | diilbert | http://pastebin.ca/281023 |
| 12:26.01 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: nice ultra-mobil thing. expensive, no CD/DVD. But very light and (for the class) fast. |
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| 12:26.54 | diilbert | pumpkin0: no kidding ;0 |
| 12:27.34 | pumpkin0 | diilbert: downgrade the config to sarge, run apt-get update / upgrade. undo the configchange and do apt-get update/upgrade. (i´m back in 3 hours) |
| 12:27.40 | k-man__ | mrynit, xp pro |
| 12:28.00 | diilbert | pumpkin0: Any idea what the cause is ? |
| 12:28.04 | k-man__ | mrynit, can the guest account being dissabled on the xp box prevent it logging in as guest on the samba box? |
| 12:28.11 | mrynit | yes |
| 12:28.24 | k-man__ | hmm.. well, i enabled it but it made no difference |
| 12:28.26 | mrynit | add a guest user or some dumby user acount |
| 12:28.34 | mrynit | reboot? |
| 12:28.35 | k-man__ | on the linux box? |
| 12:28.41 | k-man__ | reboot the windows box? |
| 12:28.46 | mrynit | hell why not? |
| 12:29.26 | Hertell | SerajewlKS: i get thiese errors probably because i have my apt-pinning screwed up.. |
| 12:29.29 | mrynit | IIRC windows file sharing for XP is fairly simple for XP to XP machines |
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| 12:30.00 | mrynit | but that guest acount must have read/write access |
| 12:30.01 | k-man__ | mrynit, and not simple from xp to samba? |
| 12:30.02 | diilbert | pumpkin0: 3 hours ? Forget it... if I get sarge back right I am not touching this again till etch is stable |
| 12:30.06 | vlt | Is there a way to prepend (maybe virtually) something to a file (on reiserfs)? |
| 12:30.14 | k-man__ | mrynit, which? on the xp box? |
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| 12:31.11 | mrynit | On XP ceat a user. give user read/write access. try logging into the XP computer from debian using samba with that user name and password |
| 12:31.36 | DevilChaos | well i think ill have to stick with my asus for a little while before getting rid of it i want it to work and it will work ill do the time! why not thats what linux is about i think id be bored with it if it all went on smothly |
| 12:32.09 | Hertell | cold someone be so kind and have a look at my preferences-file: http://phpfi.com/185217 |
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| 12:32.27 | mrynit | for XP remote desktop i have used the user account on the XP box and it works |
| 12:32.34 | mrynit | Im trying to multi boot wn98,winXP and debian. my problem is that i cannnot seem to compile grub on debian etch. I am new to linux. |
| 12:32.46 | Hertell | i get E: Broken packages erros probably because of this.. :-( |
| 12:33.28 | mrynit | i dont know what info to give you guys. I need some one to help me with grub i believe |
| 12:33.53 | vlt | I have an image of a partition and want to prepend an MBR and partition table. Is there a way to prepend (maybe virtually) something to a file (on reiserfs)? |
| 12:34.50 | blondie | vlt: I should think you could only append but I don't know for sure |
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| 12:36.12 | mrynit | k-man__ is it working? |
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| 12:40.14 | vinsci | http://cdimage.debian.org seems to be down |
| 12:40.34 | k-man__ | mrynit, no :-. |
| 12:40.49 | mrynit | hmm |
| 12:41.07 | mrynit | can you access the XP box from other windows boxes? |
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| 12:41.48 | k-man__ | but i'm trying to access the samba box from xp |
| 12:41.52 | k-man__ | not the other way around |
| 12:42.05 | mrynit | what |
| 12:42.08 | k-man__ | and i can access the samba box from another linux box using samba |
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| 12:42.28 | mrynit | check firewalls and other network issues |
| 12:42.34 | peterrus | is etch 31r3? |
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| 12:43.00 | peterrus | wait |
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| 12:43.02 | peterrus | i found it |
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| 12:46.23 | Mr_magic | where can I change the driver that needs to load for my network card |
| 12:46.32 | mrynit | k-man__ are you using your normal user accound on the debian box when logging into samba from XP? |
| 12:46.52 | abrotman | Mr_magic: you can put modules you want to load in /etc/modules |
| 12:47.31 | eriktorbjorn | I'm getting a fairly repeatable crash with gaim 2.0.0+beta5-8, but the backtrace - http://www.update.uu.se/~d91tan/gaim-backtrace.txt - seems to be pointing to some GStreamer package. Which would be most appropriate to file a bug report against? |
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| 12:47.44 | k-man__ | mrynit, no, i want to brows the samba box as a guest |
| 12:47.55 | asg | eriktorbjorn: file it against gaim |
| 12:48.11 | mrynit | that guest account will need read access |
| 12:48.18 | Mr_magic | abrotman: my second network card is using sk2y, and I want to bind it to sk98lin, |
| 12:48.36 | mrynit | can you connect at all to the samba box? |
| 12:48.44 | abrotman | Mr_magic: you can use modprobe rules to load the sk98lin before sk2y |
| 12:48.52 | eriktorbjorn | asg: Thanks. I will. I'll just check once more that I can repeat it first. |
| 12:49.22 | k-man__ | mrynit, that solved it |
| 12:49.31 | mrynit | read access? |
| 12:49.37 | k-man__ | mrynit, made the passwords the same on the xp box and the samba box |
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| 12:50.18 | mrynit | ok k-man__ now you need to document this. what the problem was and the exact steps you took to solve it. save it and print it |
| 12:50.20 | k-man__ | mrynit, so how can i make a share that any user can see on the network? |
| 12:50.48 | mrynit | you need a "default" loggin acount for the samba box |
| 12:51.00 | mrynit | ever one uses that defualt account |
| 12:51.08 | k-man__ | mrynit, ahh.. i see |
| 12:51.22 | eriktorbjorn | asg: Odd. Didn't crash now. Then again, the circumstances weren't exactly the same. I'll just file it and hope someone will be able to figure it out. |
| 12:51.30 | fasta | I did ln -s ctags-exuberant ctags in ~/bin, I have ~/bin as the first entry in $PATH. I relogged in, I execute ctags, and I end up with the wrong ctags... what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:51.42 | DevilChaos | what is the best firwalling fo a server without x as im not wanting to use the gtk firestarter? |
| 12:51.47 | abrotman | eriktorbjorn: do you know the steps to reproduce it ? |
| 12:51.55 | abrotman | DevilChaos: vi + iptables |
| 12:52.01 | fasta | I want that ctags-exuerbant is executed when I do ctags, obviously... |
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| 12:53.11 | fasta | ctags-exuberant, even |
| 12:53.17 | eriktorbjorn | abrotman: Well, actually I simply typed "/msg NickServ help". But now was the first time I tried that *after* first joining a channel. |
| 12:53.41 | abrotman | eriktorbjorn: be best if you could provide steps for the DD to reproduce it |
| 12:55.24 | Mr_magic | abrotman: this is rather new to me, ifconfig doesn't show my second card, lspci founds the ethernet controller dlink but says unknown device, I googled and added the sk98lin patch and recompiled the kernel, but it still search for sk2y, how can I define that in the modprobe.rules? |
| 12:55.38 | abrotman | Mr_magic: update-pciids |
| 12:56.12 | k-man__ | mrynit, so default user would allow any user to log in? or specifies the unix user any logged in user is assigned? |
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| 12:57.49 | mrynit | creat a local user on the samba box. give user what ever access you want (read/write). set it so that user can have multipul logins. when viewing the samba box from XP login as that defualt samba user |
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| 12:58.54 | mrynit | k-man__ i dont know anything about linux. im just BSing my way thru this. just think logicaly about how it could work |
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| 13:01.31 | sypie | heya i just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.11 with -ac patch... and when it boots i get the error "cannot open /dev/console" |
| 13:01.56 | sypie | does anyone have any help with whats wrong..? i used the same .conf from a 2.6.8 precompiled kernel image |
| 13:02.26 | sypie | and the error "pivot_root: No such file or directory" |
| 13:02.30 | sypie | also appears |
| 13:02.45 | Hertell | can someone recomend a good apt-pinning guide? |
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| 13:03.30 | abrotman | man apt_preferences |
| 13:03.46 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 13:03.47 | dpkg | hmm... devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
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| 13:04.37 | spenta | anyone has a splendid idea on how to stream video from files? |
| 13:04.47 | mrynit | get VLC |
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| 13:05.18 | pumpkin0 | spenta: netcat |
| 13:05.21 | Mr_magic | abrotman: ok update-pci worked fine and is known now, but it still uses sky2 instead of sk98lin, don't know how to add it in /etc/udev.../modprobe.rules |
| 13:05.42 | mrynit | here is my terminal dump when trying to compile grub on debian etch http://slexy.org/submit.php |
| 13:06.13 | abrotman | Mr_magic: i use /etc/modutils/actions |
| 13:07.07 | abrotman | in your case 'pre-install sky2 modprobe sk98lin' |
| 13:07.38 | Hertell | abrotman: thanks. this is a good start |
| 13:08.02 | abrotman | it is! :) |
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| 13:10.11 | Hertell | yep. for example i did never really understand how the priorities work... |
| 13:11.26 | abrotman | and IIRC .. it explains it fairly well |
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| 13:12.07 | atreide | salut |
| 13:12.24 | atreide | dite j'ai oublié le nom de la comande pour supprimer plusieur fois un fichier |
| 13:12.47 | atreide | et ainsi etre sur que personne ne puisse faire de réucpération dessus |
| 13:13.09 | atreide | quelqu'un la connais? |
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| 13:13.13 | asg | !fr |
| 13:13.14 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:13.27 | atreide | sorry |
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| 13:16.07 | abrotman | the words .. look familiar .. but i can't get a complete phrase :) |
| 13:16.50 | Mr_magic | abrotman: it still uses sk2y |
| 13:17.11 | abrotman | Mr_magic: you restarted the box ? |
| 13:17.26 | Mr_magic | abrotman: yes |
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| 13:18.09 | abrotman | Mr_magic: paste /etc/modules and /etc/modutils/actions somewhere |
| 13:18.13 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:18.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 13:19.04 | dob1 | hi, how can i apply a patch like this http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2006/12/msg00033.html ? i tried to put the patch on a file and then cat filepatch |patch -p1 but doesn't work |
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| 13:19.21 | cast | now how do i tell put dev=/dev/hda in wodim.conf |
| 13:19.48 | azeem | dob1: doesn't work is not enough information, paste the error to a pastebin |
| 13:19.49 | azeem | !paste |
| 13:19.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 13:19.58 | cast | eh, its already done. ignore me :D |
| 13:20.13 | dob1 | azeem: there is not an error, it doesn't apply the patch |
| 13:20.29 | azeem | so there is no output at all? |
| 13:21.05 | dob1 | it's the classic output when you cannot apply a patch, it asks for the files to apply it |
| 13:21.31 | azeem | eh, that would look like important information |
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| 13:21.41 | azeem | you have chosen the wrong -p value then I guess |
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| 13:21.49 | azeem | or the diff is malformed/garbled |
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| 13:23.24 | dob1 | azeem: i found it on that mailing list, there is nobody that say it works, i was only trying |
| 13:23.25 | cast | wow |
| 13:23.33 | cast | i just snapped a dvd armor 1.4gb dvd |
| 13:23.38 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 13:23.38 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
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| 13:24.07 | cast | ...you know how the normal poly carbonate dvds are really hard to snap. this was dead easy |
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| 13:24.34 | mrynit | how do i update my ncurses packages? |
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| 13:28.36 | HyperDevil | Hi, is it smart to take a backup of a server to a 500GB tar archive? |
| 13:28.51 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 13:29.28 | creature | HyperDevil: Probably not. But it depends. |
| 13:29.29 | mrynit | wtf |
| 13:29.36 | creature | Back up the data and the config, not the system. |
| 13:29.56 | HyperDevil | The /home is 22 TG :P |
| 13:30.00 | HyperDevil | TB |
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| 13:30.36 | Mr_magic | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/281063 |
| 13:30.47 | vinsci | HyperDevil, depends on how fast you need the system back up after a disk crash |
| 13:30.48 | HyperDevil | or should i just copy the the files directly to another filesystem without tar? |
| 13:30.54 | tango_ | that's funny: I have an acer mp3 player (1GB), and udevinfo reports the following size attribute: ATTR{size}=="2051809" |
| 13:31.03 | HyperDevil | vinsci: very fast! |
| 13:31.06 | tango_ | is the thing underused? |
| 13:31.57 | abrotman | Mr_magic: well .. that's no good :) |
| 13:31.58 | vinsci | HyperDevil, in that case you probably want a full backup (as reinstalling from the net takes quite a while) |
| 13:32.16 | Mr_magic | abrotman: how do you mean? |
| 13:32.19 | HyperDevil | vinsci: its a important server, 16 cpu's, 30TB diskspace, etc.. so downtime is not appriciated |
| 13:32.48 | vinsci | HyperDevil, you've got it on a raid5 or san? |
| 13:32.49 | abrotman | Mr_magic: seems to be loading the wrong one damn it |
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| 13:33.27 | HyperDevil | vinsci: NAS.. in total 2PB |
| 13:33.27 | pumpkin0 | HyperDevil: full backup to a second system, rsync to update the backup every X hours, full backup to tape run from the second system. RAID... |
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| 13:33.51 | abrotman | Mr_magic: well then .. let's try this while abusing udev |
| 13:33.52 | HyperDevil | pumpkin0: nothing goes to tape.... |
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| 13:34.52 | pumpkin0 | HyperDevil: everything in disc ? Bad idea. catch a virus that wipes out the first X MB of each partition and you are done for. |
| 13:35.15 | HyperDevil | pumpkin0: the discsystem is from EMC, they cant have virusses... |
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| 13:35.53 | HyperDevil | http://www.emc.com/ |
| 13:36.33 | HyperDevil | pumpkin0: so i can just rsync everything right? |
| 13:36.35 | pumpkin0 | HyperDevil: (never say never) systems that have write-access to them: all 100% fully idiot-prove ? |
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| 13:37.30 | HyperDevil | pumpkin0: then im not responsible.. EMC has a contract, if it goes bad, they fix it ;) |
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| 13:37.47 | abrotman | Mr_magic: udev sucks! |
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| 13:38.36 | scai | hi. anyone in here who uses a "Conceptronic CSOUNDU USB soundcard"? i can't find any information about the internal chip, and the vendor doesn't respond to my email. but according to their description there is linux support available. |
| 13:38.39 | Mr_magic | abrotman: well is there another way? |
| 13:39.21 | vinsci | HyperDevil, to counter the virus threat, you could make full backups to removable disks in a rotation system. But if you need to worry about viruses in your DMZ, you probably have bigger problems to worry about ;-) |
| 13:39.53 | abrotman | Mr_magic: why if you blacklist sky2 ? |
| 13:39.58 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 13:39.58 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 13:40.31 | mrynit | good bye |
| 13:40.31 | abrotman | Mr_magic: i don't have udev rules .. i read the website .. i don't see a way to force a module to be loaded for a device (also put sk98lin in /etc/modules) |
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| 13:42.47 | dutchfish | how can i send a sms through a sip provider in debian and wich packages can be used for it? |
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| 13:44.28 | AngusRF | Zht |
| 13:44.49 | blondie | no |
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| 13:46.51 | abrotman | Mr_magic: any luck ? |
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| 13:48.19 | abrotman | i like how lshw shows all that crap . but not the vendor/device codes |
| 13:48.34 | _lyte_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.47 | _lyte_ | can anyone help me with this error ? |
| 13:48.52 | _lyte_ | i was upgrading to etch |
| 13:48.53 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 13:48.53 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
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| 13:50.39 | Mr_magic | abrotman: blacklist works fine |
| 13:50.50 | abrotman | Mr_magic: does your card work now ? |
| 13:51.21 | Mr_magic | abrotman: no |
| 13:51.28 | abrotman | different problem ? |
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| 13:51.37 | _lyte_ | abrotman: thanx |
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| 13:53.11 | Mr_magic | abrotman: it doesn't use any driver now in dmesg |
| 13:53.39 | abrotman | Mr_magic: you sure sk98lin works with it ? |
| 13:53.58 | Life | hello, can anyone assist me to install my kernel with hugemem support? |
| 13:54.04 | abrotman | Mr_magic: lspci -n | grep 08.0 |
| 13:54.08 | Life | or at least point me in a direction |
| 13:54.15 | abrotman | Life: how much RAM do you have ? |
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| 13:54.20 | Life | i have 2GB |
| 13:54.24 | Life | it currently shows that i have 1 |
| 13:54.29 | abrotman | Life: uname -a |
| 13:54.31 | HyperDevil | FTP.NO.DEBIAN.ORG is down!!!! |
| 13:54.32 | Life | BIOS shows that i have 2gb |
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| 13:54.47 | Life | Linux debian 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:54.48 | HyperDevil | connect (111 Connection Refused) |
| 13:54.55 | abrotman | Life: what's yoru CPU ? |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | life? |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | HyperDevil: use another mirror ? |
| 13:55.39 | Life | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.03 | Life | sorry, had to pull that info up |
| 13:56.15 | HyperDevil | abrotman: they dont support 9000kb .. :P dont have the time to wait that long for a huge package |
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| 13:56.47 | abrotman | Life: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp |
| 13:56.59 | abrotman | HyperDevil: uhm .. okay |
| 13:57.03 | vlt | Hello. When I run `du -h` on a file it shows me "5,2G", when I replace -h with -b it says "34.640.429.056". Is this the intention of "-b" or a bug? |
| 13:57.19 | Life | this will have the hugemem support i need? |
| 13:57.22 | HyperDevil | Who is the system admin for ft.no.debian.org? |
| 13:57.24 | perlmonk | say... If I would do something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda1 hda1 beeing a partition containing the whole system besides /home. would it go till the end of disk or would it be stopped before ? |
| 13:57.24 | abrotman | vlt: it's a phone number |
| 13:57.27 | abrotman | Life: i believe so |
| 13:57.28 | Life | and won't cause me any kernel panic or such? |
| 13:57.37 | buscon | Hi, what's a good editor for keymap? |
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| 13:57.48 | abrotman | Life: that's the plan |
| 13:57.52 | vlt | abrotman: First thought that, too, but it was BIll Gates on the other end ... |
| 13:57.54 | Life | okay, let's give it a shot |
| 13:57.56 | perlmonk | I mean, dd would be in memory, aswell as /dev/zero no ? /dev/zero beeing only a virtual device... |
| 13:58.10 | abrotman | perlmonk: i'd do it from a liveCD |
| 13:58.27 | abrotman | Mr_magic: ? |
| 13:58.29 | perlmonk | hum |
| 13:58.37 | perlmonk | And without live cd ? |
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| 13:58.51 | abrotman | perlmonk: well .. what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 13:58.57 | perlmonk | Well |
| 13:58.59 | perlmonk | bad stuff |
| 13:59.00 | abrotman | !tell Mr_magic about which driver |
| 13:59.01 | perlmonk | :) |
| 13:59.04 | Life | okay we'll see what happens |
| 13:59.06 | abrotman | bad stuff ? |
| 13:59.08 | Mr_magic | abrotman: 0000:01:08.0 0200: 1186:4b01 (rev 11) |
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| 13:59.44 | perlmonk | I have setup that server and they won't pay me, so no way I keep the server up, but I only have ssh access. They are beeing dishonnest and unfair, no way they keep my work done.... see ? |
| 13:59.46 | niles | whats a cd burner for gnome ? |
| 13:59.51 | Life | hi, it was installed successfully, do i require a restart? |
| 13:59.51 | perlmonk | and as I am root of the server... |
| 14:00.15 | niles | CD/DVD creator is is just down right wrong. it burns the tracks in alphabetical order |
| 14:00.29 | perlmonk | actually.... |
| 14:00.37 | Gnea | perlmonk: did u sign an nda? |
| 14:00.38 | abrotman | Mr_magic: skge 0x00001186 0x00004b01 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 14:01.00 | perlmonk | Gnea, well, even if I did, I don't live in US anymore |
| 14:01.01 | abrotman | Mr_magic: seems to need the skge driver |
| 14:01.15 | abrotman | niles: gnomebaker |
| 14:01.16 | Mr_magic | abrotman: how do you know that? |
| 14:01.17 | pumpkin0 | which IRC-client does mrc (mirc-rc) scripts under debian ? |
| 14:01.18 | Life | abrotman: do i need to reboot? |
| 14:01.25 | abrotman | Mr_magic: modules.pcimap |
| 14:01.33 | abrotman | Life: pray .. then reboot |
| 14:01.41 | perlmonk | I got big data on that server, like all sales of teleflex medical in north US |
| 14:01.43 | Life | alright |
| 14:01.44 | perlmonk | hehe |
| 14:01.47 | Life | *crosses finger* |
| 14:01.48 | abrotman | Gnea: u? do i need to club you ? |
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| 14:02.02 | abrotman | perlmonk: you'll probably be arrested |
| 14:02.13 | Gnea | perlmonk: that all depends - do you want a good or a bad reference for your next job? :) |
| 14:02.19 | Gnea | abrotman: eh? |
| 14:02.21 | niles | thanx abrotman |
| 14:02.31 | perlmonk | but I have no attention to fuck up teleflex, they did nothing to me |
| 14:02.35 | abrotman | niles: also .. nautilus can burn |
| 14:02.53 | Mr_magic | abrotman: so what should I do now? |
| 14:02.56 | perlmonk | abrotman, well, No, I will just end up the server for which i haven't been paid |
| 14:03.03 | abrotman | Mr_magic: do you have the skge driver ? |
| 14:03.08 | perlmonk | and now I live in an other country so... |
| 14:03.21 | Gnea | perlmonk: just because you live in another country doesn't mean that they can't track you down. |
| 14:03.21 | abrotman | extradition is a bitch |
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| 14:03.34 | perlmonk | I hate this kind of situations.... just I can't leave this this way |
| 14:03.52 | abrotman | you could .. threaten to sue them? |
| 14:04.14 | Gnea | perlmonk: sometimes you need to swallow your pride and move on. |
| 14:04.48 | perlmonk | abrotman, I live in brazil, they live in US. Who you think will end up losing the case in a US court ? Added to which, with the money ressources I have, I'll lose |
| 14:04.53 | Life | abrotman: successful reboot + memory up to 2GB |
| 14:04.54 | Life | thank you! |
| 14:05.04 | abrotman | Life: enjoy |
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| 14:05.11 | perlmonk | Gnea, No Way, I also could leave the root login/passwd on the net |
| 14:05.11 | Mr_magic | abrotman: well I patched the sk98lin following the readme file of dlink, but normally skge is included in the kernel |
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| 14:05.15 | abrotman | perlmonk: well .. it's up to you |
| 14:05.25 | abrotman | Mr_magic: uname -a .. which kernel ? |
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| 14:05.42 | perlmonk | Well, leaving root access this way will help spammers probably, not acceptable... |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | perlmonk: regardless .. this isn't a question for #debian .. try efnet |
| 14:05.50 | Mr_magic | 2.6.15 |
| 14:05.55 | perlmonk | oh well, I need to think more about it |
| 14:05.57 | abrotman | Mr_magic: self compiled ? |
| 14:05.58 | Gnea | perlmonk: abrotman is right. |
| 14:06.04 | perlmonk | Yes, he is |
| 14:06.35 | Mr_magic | abrotman: yes googled |
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| 14:06.46 | abrotman | Mr_magic: you compiled the kenrel ? |
| 14:06.55 | Mr_magic | abrotman: yes |
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| 14:07.12 | abrotman | Mr_magic: is this sarge or etch or what ? |
| 14:07.53 | Mr_magic | abrotman: it did'nt worked on sarge, so I grepped a dapper drake, with the same result |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | so what is it now ? |
| 14:08.29 | Mr_magic | abrotman: dapper drake |
| 14:09.04 | abrotman | okay .. first of all .. ask #ubuntu about your ubuntu issues .. secondly .. it seems a 2.6.15 with skge should work |
| 14:10.08 | Mr_magic | abrotman: I asked already, no reactions yet, but how should I load the skge then? |
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| 14:10.26 | abrotman | the modules.pcimap should find it and load it |
| 14:10.39 | abrotman | Mr_magic: you might want to try #kernel too |
| 14:10.45 | abrotman | isn't dapper drake like a year old ? |
| 14:10.54 | azeem | it's from June |
| 14:11.14 | Mr_magic | abrotman: yes but it's the stable version |
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| 14:11.28 | abrotman | i don't know a damn thing about ubuntu .. i can't help you with it really |
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| 14:12.11 | HyperDevil | how can i use mondo to make a backup to a external harddisk? |
| 14:12.59 | Mr_magic | abrotman: well I appreciate your help, had the same problem with sarge, it is a linux kernel though |
| 14:13.14 | abrotman | Mr_magic: yeah . but sarge's kernel is a 2.6.8 .. and has no skge driver |
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| 14:16.19 | possie | anyone know a mirror for download Etch RC1 ? |
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| 14:19.12 | Mr_magic | abrotman: in /modules.pcimap I find skge |
| 14:19.13 | blondie | possie: the debian ones |
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| 14:19.31 | abrotman | Mr_magic: yes .. but it's not debian is it ? |
| 14:19.37 | Mr_magic | abrotman: no |
| 14:19.37 | possie | blondie, well i can't get on cdimage.debian.org |
| 14:19.45 | abrotman | Mr_magic: this is #debian |
| 14:21.40 | Roey | everyone is asleep |
| 14:21.42 | possie | blondie, can you? |
| 14:21.58 | Mr_magic | abrotman: well ok I understand, anyway I really want to thank you for your help |
| 14:22.01 | possie | can anyone get to cdimage.debian.org, it appears to be down from the network i'm comming from |
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| 14:22.16 | abrotman | Mr_magic: i think you have enough to get you going .. also .. you might want to try the etch installer |
| 14:22.37 | abrotman | possie: yes .. it's down |
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| 14:22.46 | abrotman | azeem: any hint as to what's going on ? |
| 14:22.53 | possie | abrotman, thanks |
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| 14:23.05 | possie | abrotman, damn on the day i wanted to install etch rc1 :-) |
| 14:23.27 | abrotman | possie: you could try to BY the CD1 image |
| 14:23.34 | Krush | is there a way to defile the sensitivity level apt handles dependencies (to the same as dselect does)? |
| 14:23.44 | abrotman | erm .. duh .. you can't get the BT file |
| 14:23.59 | Mr_magic | abrotman: I will try it |
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| 14:24.03 | possie | abrotman, that doesn't help me if i would like to try etch today :-) |
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| 14:24.14 | abrotman | possie: it will if you can get CD1 |
| 14:24.33 | possie | abrotman, ow sorry, i'ts early i thought "buy cd1" :-) |
| 14:24.48 | niles | why do all my apps that were running before i rebooted, still be running after reboot? |
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| 14:24.59 | niles | thta defeats the purpose of a reboot |
| 14:25.02 | creature | I'm having some trouble with my Wireless AP - my card associates and disassociates itself, flip-flopping between the states about once every 10 seconds. Details are at http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-December/014732.html |
| 14:25.18 | abrotman | creature: again ? |
| 14:25.22 | niles | who know what crap is still in memory. |
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| 14:25.33 | creature | abrotman: No, we're making progress. |
| 14:25.40 | creature | I've got the card up now, and it sees the access point. |
| 14:25.40 | niles | i hit the K button 3 minits ago. |
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| 14:25.47 | abrotman | who was helping you? pipeline or pickcoder ? |
| 14:25.50 | creature | It's just not linking properly, or something. |
| 14:25.56 | creature | pickcoder was the man of the match last night. |
| 14:26.06 | abrotman | creature: states ? |
| 14:26.25 | creature | "associated" and "non-associated". I think. |
| 14:26.29 | creature | Maybe connected and disconnected. |
| 14:26.32 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:26.57 | niles | abrotman: do you know of a ligitimate cd burner for hte kde destop? gnomebaker failed. |
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| 14:27.18 | abrotman | i thought you wanted a gnome one ? |
| 14:27.20 | abrotman | k3b |
| 14:27.27 | niles | thanx |
| 14:27.31 | creature | k3b is lovely. Ish. |
| 14:27.36 | creature | I like it. I don't love it. But I do like it. |
| 14:28.01 | t0pcat | yup k3b is cool :) |
| 14:28.17 | simon23 | hi, anyone knows a channel for webdesign on irc.freenode.org ? haven found one yet. |
| 14:28.30 | asg | simon23: #www perhaps? |
| 14:28.33 | creature | #web, perhaps? |
| 14:28.53 | blaamann | I prefer k3b too |
| 14:29.08 | simon23 | maybe - thanks - i'll try them - i thought about #webdesign but that didnt exist. |
| 14:29.14 | enouf | likes backends |
| 14:29.30 | niles | how do i reboot my computer so *ANYTHING* that was running before i rebooted. is not longer running. |
| 14:29.38 | enouf | simon23: try the ## channels too |
| 14:29.48 | niles | the reason i reboot is to clear any crap out of memory and start fresh |
| 14:30.05 | enouf | niles: shutdown compeltely .. then PowerOn |
| 14:30.08 | niles | yet i still see adobe reader and the terminals running |
| 14:30.08 | blaamann | niles: ANYTHING ? Even the linux kernel ? |
| 14:30.12 | creature | niles: That's pretty much what a reboot does. |
| 14:30.15 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:30.20 | niles | shutdown -h now |
| 14:30.23 | niles | fails |
| 14:30.31 | niles | becuase i still see the same apps |
| 14:30.35 | asg | niles: they are probably restarted due to session management in whatever DE you are using |
| 14:30.35 | niles | after i reboot |
| 14:30.37 | creature | niles: You may want to read up about init scripts and daemons, if you don't know about them already. |
| 14:30.42 | icwiener_ | enouf: What are those ## channels? |
| 14:30.45 | creature | What is it you're trying to stop? |
| 14:30.46 | enouf | niles: you have your Desktop set to reopen last instance .. |
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| 14:30.55 | niles | creature: i have to go through all that crap just to reboot? |
| 14:31.01 | abrotman | icwiener_: unofficial channels .. see the freenode FAQ |
| 14:31.02 | enouf | icwiener_: they're more unofficial and talk mostly |
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| 14:31.18 | creature | niles: No, you can reboot, and it'll be fine. But, it sounds like something is starting that you don't want to start. |
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| 14:31.20 | yunhual | /msg NickServ identify linuxsir |
| 14:31.22 | icwiener_ | Ok, thx. |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | yunhual: time to change your password |
| 14:31.38 | creature | And unless you tell us exactly what it is, it's hard to tell. |
| 14:31.39 | blaamann | he he |
| 14:31.43 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:31.48 | diskus | I changed already :P |
| 14:31.58 | enouf | yunhual: no spaces prior to the 1st / |
| 14:32.01 | adamt | LOL LOL LOL |
| 14:32.05 | asg | abrotman: given the wonderful complexity of that password, do you think changing it will do any good? |
| 14:32.09 | niles | creature: third party applications restarting after reboot, defeats the purpose of reboot |
| 14:32.21 | adamt | [15:31] <-- yunhual has left this server (Nick collision from services.). <= too late for changing the password i think... |
| 14:32.25 | abrotman | asg: 1inuxsir! |
| 14:32.29 | enouf | niles: you did it .. not us |
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| 14:32.44 | niles | enouf: how do I turn off reopen last instance ? |
| 14:32.45 | enouf | yunhual: no spaces prior to the 1st / |
| 14:32.51 | creature | niles: Unless you tell us exactly what they are, we're all guessing. |
| 14:32.56 | enouf | niles: which desktop? |
| 14:33.05 | creature | What are the apps you don't want to start? |
| 14:33.06 | niles | kde 3.3 |
| 14:33.15 | niles | terminal adobe |
| 14:33.18 | niles | anything |
| 14:33.29 | adamt | 3.3 O_o |
| 14:33.34 | niles | debian sarge |
| 14:33.37 | niles | i cant help it |
| 14:33.38 | enouf | niles: go into K Control Center |
| 14:33.39 | asg | niles: ask #debian-kde how to turn that feature off then |
| 14:33.43 | niles | tell etch to hurry and go stable |
| 14:33.45 | enouf | thast too |
| 14:33.59 | yunhual | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY linuxsir |
| 14:34.03 | enouf | 3.3.2 is the Sarge version |
| 14:34.05 | abrotman | yunhual: time to change your password |
| 14:34.11 | enouf | yunhual: no spaces prior to the 1st / !!!! |
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| 14:35.37 | niles | k3b: cannot connect to X server why ? |
| 14:35.50 | creature | abrotman: Any idea about my wireless? |
| 14:35.53 | yunhual | /msgNickServ IDENTIFY linuxsir |
| 14:36.00 | abrotman | creature: get a new wifi card ;) |
| 14:36.10 | enouf | niles: /msg dpkg services .. and also rcconf, runlevels, update-rc.d and learn how to disable shit .. but your DE (namely KDE) is responsible for what's happening |
| 14:36.12 | creature | abrotman: Not an option, unfortunately. |
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| 14:36.31 | creature | My laptop's bios has a hard-coded range of PCI id's it will allow to boot. |
| 14:36.37 | amortvigil | where can i find my usb mount point? |
| 14:36.37 | creature | Thanks for that, IBM. |
| 14:36.43 | enouf | niles: you have a root issue .. ehat does 'groups' say? |
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| 14:36.43 | yunhual | hi, how can i get know if i have already login seccussful ? |
| 14:36.51 | Krush | so is there a way to set the default apt behavior to treat suggested packages, too? |
| 14:37.15 | niles | jerware dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev groups output |
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| 14:37.49 | enouf | niles: that seems fine .. it's a KDE bug I think .. run k3bSetup |
| 14:38.04 | yunhual | hi, how can i get know if i have already login to this channel seccussful ? |
| 14:38.09 | niles | there is no command |
| 14:38.19 | enouf | yunhual: we know your passwd ,, that's how |
| 14:38.29 | yunhual | how can i change my passwd ? |
| 14:38.31 | abrotman | yunhual: /whois |
| 14:38.34 | asg | yunhual: /whois <yournick> (if it says identified to services, you are logged in) |
| 14:38.38 | abrotman | yunhual: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:38.38 | asg | yunhual: /msg nickserv help |
| 14:38.49 | yunhual | /whois yunhual |
| 14:38.51 | niles | kdesu: cannot connect to X server |
| 14:38.53 | niles | sigh |
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| 14:39.18 | enouf | niles: is X running? |
| 14:39.25 | niles | yea im using xchat |
| 14:39.29 | blaamann | yunhual: no space before you command |
| 14:39.31 | asg | yunhual: your irc client seems broken |
| 14:39.32 | amortvigil | how can i find my usb mount point? |
| 14:39.42 | enouf | niles: do you have KDE installed? |
| 14:39.50 | niles | yes im logged in my kde desktop |
| 14:39.57 | abrotman | yunhual: you're not IDed |
| 14:40.12 | enouf | niles: Kmenu > Multimedia > k3bsetup |
| 14:40.24 | yunhual | /msg nickserv help |
| 14:40.28 | blaamann | amortvigil: tail -f /var/log/messages is helpful when you plug it in |
| 14:40.36 | niles | *shrug* it takes a few minits to bring Kmenu up |
| 14:40.42 | enouf | heh |
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| 14:40.45 | asg | yunhual: stop using chatzilla ; install xchat or irssi-text. Come back and try again. |
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| 14:41.20 | yunhual | asg, ok, thank you |
| 14:41.29 | niles | i really need a second box, with XP, to compinsate for linux inconveniences |
| 14:41.40 | enouf | niles: go back to Xpoop |
| 14:41.49 | niles | and other such idiosyncrasies |
| 14:41.59 | niles | Xpoop ? |
| 14:42.00 | enouf | !pebkac |
| 14:42.00 | dpkg | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 14:42.28 | enouf | yes XPoop[TM] |
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| 14:47.05 | findme | or Poop=>XP |
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| 14:48.17 | yunhual | i have changed my password |
| 14:48.18 | HyperDevil | if i use cp.. does it copy timestamp, owner etc exactly as the original? |
| 14:48.23 | niles | jesus funny fucking christ. if this were windows, this woulda been burned 40 minits ago. why are all inconveninces enables by defalut? |
| 14:48.42 | niles | christ on a stick. who needs reopen last instance |
| 14:48.47 | niles | like thast usefull ? |
| 14:49.10 | niles | Kmenu > Multimedia > k3bsetup # no such thing |
| 14:49.20 | vinsci | HyperDevil, "cp -a" does |
| 14:49.34 | HyperDevil | vinsci: -a, --archive? |
| 14:49.43 | asg | yunhual: and now you are identified to services. You should be good to go |
| 14:50.01 | HyperDevil | vinsci, what does cp actually do with -a? |
| 14:50.09 | Anarka | cp -ax |
| 14:50.53 | vinsci | HyperDevil, it's a synonym for the options -dpR |
| 14:51.04 | vinsci | just a convenience |
| 14:51.40 | HyperDevil | aha ok.. so it should preserve attributes, preserve link and recursive? |
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| 14:52.13 | vinsci | yes, and doesn't follow symlinks (which you don't want when making backups) |
| 14:54.22 | HyperDevil | vinsci: ive stopped with the tar and rsync option.. going for the foolproof cp option:) |
| 14:55.02 | vinsci | mmm, rsync is usually to prefer, if you make the backup to the same target more than once |
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| 14:55.19 | vinsci | ...and have the cpu to spare |
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| 14:55.50 | niles | 0_0 k3b does not come with cdrdao !?!?!?!?!? how UNuser friendly |
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| 14:55.51 | HyperDevil | i make the backup to a mounted filesystem nothing more nothing less... |
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| 14:56.13 | vinsci | k |
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| 14:57.12 | bintut | anyone's running debian etch and apache2? |
| 14:58.02 | eap | bintut: on my devel m/c yes... |
| 14:58.35 | bintut | eap: on your devel box, do you have an apache2.2-common installed on your etch system? |
| 14:58.54 | HyperDevil | when is etch going to be released? |
| 14:59.07 | asg | HyperDevil: /topic |
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| 14:59.50 | bintut | eap: if yes, can you check if you have the "apache2-ssl-certificate" script? |
| 14:59.53 | eap | bintut: hmm doensnt seem to be |
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| 15:01.52 | eap | bintut: no i do not, sorry |
| 15:02.07 | bintut | anyone here running qemu on etch? |
| 15:02.26 | bintut | eap: it's ok.. thanks anyway.. :) |
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| 15:05.45 | pelandrit | wenas |
| 15:06.32 | bintut | anyway, i have to go now.. |
| 15:07.14 | Valombre | !seen Celeste |
| 15:07.14 | dpkg | celeste <n=Celeste@85.237.25.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 67d 3h 55m 29s ago, saying: 'thank you blondie'. |
| 15:07.20 | Valombre | Oo |
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| 15:10.27 | aFlag | hello. Am I the only one who's g++ always print this error: /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/cstdlib:135: error: ‘::system’ has not been declared ? I'm using debian etch |
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| 15:12.38 | abrotman | aFlag: BTS ? |
| 15:13.51 | aFlag | bts? what's that? |
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| 15:15.38 | aFlag | oh, bug tracking system. Yeah, I've reported there |
| 15:15.38 | aFlag | no answer so far though |
| 15:15.43 | YogSothoth_ | Hi |
| 15:16.04 | aFlag | hi |
| 15:16.53 | aFlag | I was just wondering if someone else is having the same trouble |
| 15:17.03 | YogSothoth_ | Alll of my domain names are redirecting to the ip address of the machine, on a URL like http://xx.xx.xx.xx/ss1/index.php? What can be happening, I touched nothing. Also I see a lot of lwresd instances in top. What's that? |
| 15:17.33 | abrotman | aFlag: any followup ? |
| 15:17.51 | abrotman | YogSothoth_: apache misconfigured |
| 15:17.52 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:17.53 | aFlag | no :( |
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| 15:19.06 | YogSothoth_ | abrotman, I don't use Apache, I use Lighttpd |
| 15:19.31 | abrotman | okay ... same question |
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| 15:21.46 | YogSothoth_ | abrotman, well I just restarted it and it does not complain |
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| 15:22.12 | YogSothoth_ | Also note that all was working before it happened and I was not doing anything on the server at this time |
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| 15:22.29 | abrotman | DNS borked ? |
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| 15:25.55 | mzilikazi | hmm k3b is complaining: Your system's locale charset (i.e. the charset used to encode filenames) is set to ANSI_X3.4-1968. |
| 15:25.57 | mzilikazi | $ locale -a |
| 15:25.57 | mzilikazi | C |
| 15:25.57 | mzilikazi | POSIX |
| 15:25.58 | mzilikazi | en_US.utf8 |
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| 15:26.09 | YogSothoth_ | abrotman, DNS borked yes I think |
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| 15:26.16 | YogSothoth_ | but don't know how to remedy |
| 15:26.21 | mzilikazi | gee 4 lines is a flood? |
| 15:26.25 | YogSothoth_ | just rebooting, will see if it goes better. |
| 15:26.33 | YogSothoth_ | not good for me, it's production server :/ |
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| 15:27.09 | abrotman | YogSothoth_: call the dns admin ? |
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| 15:27.17 | YogSothoth_ | I am :) |
| 15:27.29 | abrotman | you are calling .. or you are ? |
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| 15:27.44 | YogSothoth_ | i am everything admin |
| 15:27.48 | abrotman | god? |
| 15:27.55 | YogSothoth_ | but stull very newb ;) |
| 15:28.18 | YogSothoth_ | god hotline? please /msg the number |
| 15:28.32 | abrotman | debian.org/consultants :) |
| 15:29.18 | aFlag | if I reinstall a package and I have modified one of the package's files, will it overwrite my file? |
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| 15:29.42 | abrotman | depends on the file |
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| 15:30.24 | aFlag | abrotman: what kind of file doesn't get overwritten? |
| 15:30.36 | abrotman | config files normally won't |
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| 15:32.10 | aFlag | is there a way to make them to get overwritten? I can't seem to find an option on apt-get. Maybe force? |
| 15:32.51 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 15:32.51 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 15:33.21 | aFlag | hum, thanks |
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| 15:35.45 | enouf | aFlag: many defaults can be found in /etc/default/* |
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| 15:35.56 | househead | hi all. I've just upgraded my webserver to etch, is it naive to think I can change "testing" to "stable" is sources.list when etch is released as stable, in order to stick with the (then) stable release? |
| 15:36.19 | surfbuddy | how can i know which network drivers i need for my network card and if i need them at all ? |
| 15:36.27 | pumpkin0 | househead: you can use "etch" as keyword |
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| 15:36.50 | househead | pumpkin0 : thanks, gotta love debian |
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| 15:37.37 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: run "lspci -v" to get an idea what is inside. ask google with module is used for it.... |
| 15:38.05 | enouf | !which driver |
| 15:38.05 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 15:38.07 | househead | surfbuddy: google for "linux hardware compatibility list" |
| 15:39.12 | aFlag | argh, I've reinstalled all the relevant packages, but my g++ still gives me that weird error. This is so frustrating :( |
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| 15:41.01 | enouf | aFlag: compiling .. eh? |
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| 15:41.42 | aFlag | yeah... |
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| 15:42.10 | enouf | aFlag: might need a specific version .. see g++ -v output .. and maybe even gcc -v output |
| 15:42.38 | enouf | aFlag: which both happen to output the same here |
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| 15:43.14 | abrotman | househead: that's long dead |
| 15:43.19 | KaiHanari | whats a good command line tool for quick and easy static IP setup? |
| 15:43.27 | aFlag | I don't think that's the problem, it fails to compile even very simple cod |
| 15:43.29 | enouf | aFlag: also check cat /proc/version to see which your kernel was compiled with |
| 15:43.36 | aFlag | hum |
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| 15:44.14 | aFlag | Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 |
| 15:44.31 | aFlag | while the g++ version is: gcc version 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19) |
| 15:44.42 | aFlag | so I think that's not it |
| 15:44.46 | enouf | aFlag: and what are you compiling .. not that I'll have the answer to fix for you |
| 15:45.07 | enouf | aFlag: your veresions do differ though |
| 15:45.30 | aFlag | yeah. I'm compiling my own code. But it doesn't work with any code actually |
| 15:45.50 | aFlag | anything that I try to compile it prints /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../include/c++/4.1.2/cstdlib:135: error: ‘::system’ has not been declared |
| 15:46.23 | aFlag | even a code as simple as a hello world |
| 15:46.54 | Eulex | aFlag, what's the version of the gcc package? |
| 15:47.01 | enouf | aFlag: only thing left is ldconfig maybe |
| 15:47.01 | KaiHanari | whats a good command line tool for quick and easy static IP setup? |
| 15:47.46 | aFlag | Eulex: 4.1.1-19 |
| 15:47.59 | enouf | aFlag: fwiw .. my g++, c++, and gcc are all the same versions, reporting all the same compiled with features |
| 15:48.02 | pumpkin0 | KaiHanari: "nano /etc/network/interfaces" |
| 15:48.32 | Eulex | aFlag, _package_, not the version gcc --version tells you |
| 15:48.46 | aFlag | Eulex: yes, that's the package version |
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| 15:49.01 | greg_f | hello |
| 15:49.08 | KaiHanari | pumpkin0, its currently set up for DHCP and i dont remember all the lines necessary to make static work |
| 15:49.11 | enouf | aFlag: dpkg -l gcc |
| 15:49.13 | Eulex | aFlag, no. apt-ache policy gcc? ('installed' entry) |
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| 15:49.29 | Eulex | *apt-cache |
| 15:49.36 | pumpkin0 | KaiHanari: "man interfaces" |
| 15:49.46 | KaiHanari | bleh |
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| 15:50.03 | pumpkin0 | KaiHanari: search for "iface eth0-home inet static" ... |
| 15:50.05 | aFlag | Hum, i was looking at the gcc-4.1 package version, dpkg -l gcc gives me: |
| 15:50.05 | aFlag | ii gcc 4.1.1-13 The GNU C compiler |
| 15:50.13 | greg_f | I use sarge, wich package has POE/Component/Jabber/Client/Legacy.pm? |
| 15:50.26 | KaiHanari | i was looking for a tool because im going on vacation in 40 min, and need something where i just enter my ip, subnet, gateway, and dns servers |
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| 15:50.41 | pumpkin0 | KaiHanari: it´s a copy-paste job... |
| 15:50.54 | Eulex | aFlag, oh, ok |
| 15:51.16 | KaiHanari | if you say so, i'll try, but im still packing too :/ |
| 15:51.50 | aFlag | the weird thing is that no one else seems to be having this problem |
| 15:52.02 | aFlag | and gcc compiles c programs fine |
| 15:52.06 | Eulex | aFlag, seems you've got gcc-4.1 from unstable but g++-4.1 from testing. apt-get update, then apt-get install those two packages to try to upgrade both packages. |
| 15:52.28 | enouf | !tell greg_f about search |
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| 15:52.57 | aFlag | that's weird because I've never changed to unstable on my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:53.13 | KaiHanari | pumpkin0, but it doesnt include gateway or dns lines... i seriously need those |
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| 15:53.52 | enouf | KaiHanari: see route add .. and dns lines go into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:53.54 | pumpkin0 | KaiHanari: gateway 192.168.1.1 and dns-nameservers 192.168.101.1 |
| 15:54.23 | greg_f | enouf: thanks |
| 15:54.42 | enouf | :-) |
| 15:55.09 | ircleuser | is there some standard solution to mirror a server (other than my own find -atime exec scp script)? |
| 15:55.47 | aFlag | Eulex: I already did that without success :( |
| 15:55.55 | KaiHanari | pumpkin0, the dns-nameservers bit isnt mentioned in the man file... you sure it works? |
| 15:56.02 | Eulex | aFlag, oh. package is 4.1.1-19, while gcc says its version is 4.1.1-20. just me being confused. and the strange thing is also that the gcc reports that version. |
| 15:56.12 | pumpkin0 | KaiHanari: i´m online, so i guess it worked. |
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| 15:56.18 | enouf | kombi: why the nick change after a question ?? wtf?? /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 15:56.51 | KaiHanari | pumpkin0, k, thanks, im guessing /etc/init.d/networking restart should put it into play? |
| 15:57.16 | pumpkin0 | yes |
| 15:58.31 | kombi | enouf: you didn't quite read my question, did you? |
| 15:58.47 | enouf | kombi: you didn't quite read mine either |
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| 15:59.44 | enouf | and Yes .. dpkg gave you info you need .. but if you want to be a reading barbie .. by all means .. knock yourself out |
| 16:00.12 | aFlag | hum g++-3.4 gives me the same error :( |
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| 16:01.27 | enouf | kombi: though .. perhaps ~$ apt-cache search mirror will give you more info |
| 16:01.56 | KaiHanari | pumpkin0, had to change it in resolv.conf for the namserver too but it works |
| 16:01.57 | KaiHanari | ty |
| 16:01.59 | enouf | kombi: so why change the nick within 30 seconds of asking a question?> |
| 16:02.15 | geo-rge | kombi: if I read your question correctly, you haven't been specific enought either |
| 16:02.29 | pumpkin0 | KaiHanari: symlink it ... |
| 16:04.30 | KaiHanari | now, to pack my desktop, that ive got my server set up right |
| 16:04.40 | RichiH | ok, what networking tools in the wider sense can you think of that would be worthwhile to install on a box that will not have internet access for quite some time? |
| 16:04.59 | abrotman | RichiH: does it really matter? :)\ |
| 16:05.01 | geo-rge | none |
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| 16:05.17 | geo-rge | besidesa |
| 16:05.31 | geo-rge | once you get access, you can install anything you want |
| 16:05.40 | abrotman | oh .. if you could install the internet .. that'd be cool |
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| 16:06.46 | kombi | hmm, does stuff like simba work over ftp? I'd rather do mirroring over scp there.. |
| 16:07.24 | geo-rge | authenticated ftp is not well-advised :) |
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| 16:07.33 | RichiH | abrotman: actually it does, yes ;) |
| 16:07.52 | enouf | RichiH: perhaps you want all LAN tools .. just install everything you can think of .. or make an apt-cdrom of them all ..or obtain the 3DVDs and do it |
| 16:08.57 | RichiH | enouf: yah, i want to install all i can think of |
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| 16:09.03 | RichiH | i just want to enhance my list :) |
| 16:09.11 | kombi | geo-rge: guess I should roll my own then. I thought there might be some proven solution or way to keep two machines synced over scp.. |
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| 16:09.41 | enouf | nmap, netcat, ethtool, mii-tool, .. then you have all the wireless stuff; wireless-tools, wpa_supplicant .. go search pdo and see what's listed under networking/admin/utilities .. docs will help too |
| 16:09.52 | geo-rge | RichiH: the question becomes, if you wouldn't be a part of the internet, then what networking will you be a part of, if any? |
| 16:10.23 | enouf | erm .. net-tools? .. what about LAN clients and such .. iut all depends on what you plan to do |
| 16:10.34 | RichiH | geo-rge: it will sit in a testlab |
| 16:10.58 | geo-rge | this test lab have any kind of connection, to anything? |
| 16:11.15 | abrotman | intarweb! |
| 16:11.16 | RichiH | so while dig might make not make too much sense (and even that might), nmap, tcpdump, wireshark, socat and all the usual suspects will be there |
| 16:11.27 | abrotman | tcpreplay! |
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| 16:12.13 | Caitriona | kombi: rsync, rdist, cfengine depending on the types of syncronization you are trying to do... |
| 16:12.19 | RichiH | geo-rge: to the power outlets ;) |
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| 16:12.52 | geo-rge | ok, then I don't understand why you would need networking tools during the time the machine stays in this lab |
| 16:13.00 | geo-rge | or networking anything |
| 16:13.50 | kombi | Caitriona: does rsync use a secure connection? |
| 16:14.17 | pumpkin0 | kombi: it's a ssh-style connection. If that is secure for you ... |
| 16:14.28 | Caitriona | it can, it operates over ssh usually. |
| 16:14.46 | kombi | pumkin0: I'd call that quite secure..;) |
| 16:15.20 | pumpkin0 | kombi: me too, but there are same truely paranoid out there. |
| 16:15.40 | kombi | Catriona: that should be what I'm looking for, which situation would you recommend rdist for? |
| 16:19.10 | kombi | or put it this way: I might have to run several web servers in different locations serving the same content and reflecting changes quickly, should I best build scripts around rsync, rdist of cfengine? |
| 16:19.50 | pumpkin0 | kombi: what about NFS ? |
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| 16:20.01 | abrotman | nfs over ssh! |
| 16:20.06 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 16:20.07 | dpkg | [shfs] http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 16:20.27 | kombi | I was gonna say... |
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| 16:21.28 | kombi | shfs! Sounds like the exact right tool there.. |
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| 16:24.37 | kombi | abrotman: Is shfs-tools everything needed? |
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| 16:24.51 | abrotman | never used it |
| 16:24.57 | Caitriona | umm... |
| 16:24.57 | syphox | hey, i want to install a 2.6.11 kernel from kernel.org with an ac patch.. is there a best way todo this on debian? any urls? |
| 16:24.59 | pumpkin0 | kombi: you need fuse-support and a recent ssh-server. |
| 16:25.01 | Caitriona | use fuse. |
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| 16:25.24 | Caitriona | there's a ssh filesystem that doesn't use fuse, but there's no point. |
| 16:26.14 | blondie | you dont want to use fuse with sarge |
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| 16:26.36 | airox | Hi. How can I mute the sound from command line ? |
| 16:26.47 | airox | Is there some single command for this ? |
| 16:26.50 | kombi | sounds compelling, thanks pumpkin0, Caitriona, abrotman, it's good to know WHAT to dive into before diving;) |
| 16:26.51 | gcbirzan | aumix, alsamixer |
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| 16:27.10 | airox | Well I want to turn off sound from a shell script. |
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| 16:27.37 | airox | (Bluetooth proximity checking and then turn on or off the sound) |
| 16:27.42 | airox | I could use aumix for this? |
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| 16:29.49 | gcbirzan | Yeah. |
| 16:30.27 | airox | Thanks. |
| 16:31.37 | cahoot | airox, amixer is pure commandline |
| 16:31.44 | CharminTheMoose | why do i get this error from make: http://pastebin.ca/281209 |
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| 16:33.37 | MikeDubb_ | i can't seem to find a debian testing netinst iso |
| 16:33.45 | geo-rge | CharminTheMoose: checked info make to see what the message means yet? |
| 16:34.02 | geo-rge | MikeDubb_: /topic |
| 16:34.12 | CharminTheMoose | geo-orge,never thought of that |
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| 16:34.34 | geo-rge | CharminTheMoose: mmhmm :) |
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| 16:36.23 | berkes | oi! |
| 16:36.53 | berkes | has anyone got a tip for a mysql CLI/commandline tool for managing users in mysql? |
| 16:37.05 | geo-rge | carbide tip? |
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| 16:37.35 | berkes | GRANT ALL and such is rather cumbersome when managing larger amounts |
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| 16:38.06 | geo-rge | berkes: I generally write scripts that write scripts for that stuff |
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| 16:38.51 | berkes | geo-rge: I do recall SuSE having a tool by default, but that is loooong ago :) |
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| 16:39.10 | geo-rge | no idea for that |
| 16:39.13 | berkes | something written in Perl |
| 16:39.44 | berkes | sure, me neither, geo-rge, too long ago. And I tend to rm -rf all thoughts about SuSE :) |
| 16:39.59 | geo-rge | so far, your google search string is: mysql user suse perl scrip |
| 16:40.20 | berkes | geo-rge: I was rather hoping for something more debianish. |
| 16:40.50 | geo-rge | you could write/package one |
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| 16:42.32 | geo-rge | why does it have to be debianish? the whole purpose behind linux/unix-alike is portability, meaning if you find source you can run somewhere, you should be able to use it everywhere (or nearly so) |
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| 16:42.55 | paddy | hey question: how can i tell modprobe not to load a specific module on startup? do i have to delete it from /lib/modules/kernel/? |
| 16:43.12 | geo-rge | you can try modconf |
| 16:43.23 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 16:43.23 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 16:43.33 | berkes | geo-rge: debian-ish == it comes as apt, it uses proper conf files in /etc and so on. |
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| 16:43.47 | geo-rge | you could write/package one |
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| 16:44.03 | BurZHi | If I am logged in as a user in one tty, and logged in as the same in another tty, can I send data through one tty to the socket opened by the other? |
| 16:44.05 | geo-rge | (but of course I already said that :) |
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| 16:44.19 | pumpkin0 | BurZHi: using pipes: yes. |
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| 16:44.52 | BurZHi | pumpkin, I don't want to disconnect the other tty's socket |
| 16:44.59 | marinosi | hello..i ve just installed debian 31r4 netinst to my laptop and i see there are no new packages to it...for example no xorg kernel 2.4 etc and i can find them to the portage..should i have installed another version(is steble only for servers?) |
| 16:45.05 | BurZHi | so I want to make do with what I've got, a typical socket opened on another tty |
| 16:45.29 | BurZHi | is that possible without losing the other connection to do something differently etc.? |
| 16:45.36 | geo-rge | marinosi: right, 3.1 will never ever get new packages |
| 16:45.59 | marinosi | geo-rge, so what do i have to install? |
| 16:46.02 | geo-rge | after release, that's what happens |
| 16:46.03 | pumpkin0 | BurZHi: give me a real-world example ... |
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| 16:47.02 | geo-rge | do you see a large list of packages you can choose to install? |
| 16:47.08 | pumpkin0 | marinosi: 3.1 is stable / sarge. It´s made for servers and tuned for maximal stability. You don´t get new, untested software in that thing. You want etch/testing or sid/unstable for new and very new packages. |
| 16:47.48 | marinosi | pumpkin0, you propose me testing or unstable?it is for laptop use ... |
| 16:47.50 | BurZHi | pumpkin, basically, just two ttys. One is connected to irc. I want my other tty to be able to send data to it, without disconnecting the IRC connection on the other tty |
| 16:48.00 | marinosi | meaning i need some stability:D |
| 16:48.18 | geo-rge | well we're not recommending sid/unstable to you, because we never answer questions about it (or, to put that another way, unstable is not suppoprted here) |
| 16:48.28 | pumpkin0 | marinosi: yes. the last time testing crashed on my laptop the HD was broken. That was 2 years ago. |
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| 16:50.49 | geo-rge | I mean, if you want sid, you can get it... but once you do, KNOW that we will always assume you understand linux AND debian -deeply-... so it's probable that no one would answer your questions about solving problems in unstable |
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| 16:52.14 | geo-rge | there are other caveats/warnings about using sid, but unless you say you're going for it, I'll spare you |
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| 16:54.01 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: just use the !sid factoid. It´s faster. People wanting eye-candy, zero-day software and stability have left earth a long time ago, period. No need to argue. |
| 16:54.02 | abrotman | sid is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RUN BEEEEP BEEP BEEEP |
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| 16:54.17 | adamt | geo-rge: Is it really that bad? I used SID several years ago, when i first started using Linux.. With no real problems.. Sure, unstability occured, but resolved itself a couple of days later.. etc...stuff like that |
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| 16:54.32 | pickcoder | I've extended a logical volume, but df still shows the orignial volume size |
| 16:54.46 | pickcoder | lvdisplay show the correct size |
| 16:54.51 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: you need to extend the fs as well. |
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| 16:55.00 | pickcoder | I can't.. it's two separate partitions |
| 16:55.14 | pickcoder | the original partition is maxed |
| 16:55.24 | pickcoder | the secondary one is a partial |
| 16:55.43 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: the FS (ext3, reiser, XFS), not the partition. |
| 16:55.44 | pickcoder | resize2fs gives me an error about the max size of the fs |
| 16:55.56 | pickcoder | stating that I've already used the max |
| 16:56.39 | geo-rge | pumpkin0/adamt: channel policy, as indicated by azeem the other day. this channel does not support unstable, and it's asked to not advocate it. |
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| 16:57.40 | adamt | geo-rge: So we're not allowed to talk positively about sid? |
| 16:58.06 | geo-rge | I guess that's the official line; but verify it yourself... if people didn't want stability, I guess they'd go for some other dist |
| 16:58.16 | pickcoder | hrm I think I did the math wrong |
| 16:58.31 | pickcoder | I did |
| 16:58.33 | geo-rge | adamt: again, verify that yourself. yes, that's what I was told. |
| 16:58.34 | nightfreak | i have various ip's for my server, how can i control which ip is used to connect to to other servers? |
| 16:58.36 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:58.44 | pickcoder | it's too early to be messing with file systems |
| 16:58.47 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: post the error and config into a pastebin. And QUOTE the error 1:1 so people have a chance of guessing the right thing ... |
| 16:58.48 | adamt | geo-rge: Actually, i asked a question, so i'm not breaking channel policy ;-) |
| 16:59.06 | pickcoder | pumpkin0: I did the math wrong.. it's 4K blocks for resize2fs |
| 16:59.10 | geo-rge | see tho, I don't care that much... |
| 16:59.14 | pickcoder | alls good |
| 16:59.17 | adamt | good :-) |
| 16:59.20 | geo-rge | but |
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| 17:00.02 | geo-rge | if they really want to run unstable, they're going to... but if they run into problems, where are they going to go first, if they originally asked about it here? |
| 17:00.33 | adamt | #debian-sid ? |
| 17:00.43 | adamt | empty channel :p |
| 17:00.48 | pumpkin0 | !sid |
| 17:00.48 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 17:01.23 | geo-rge | adamt: that would be nice. then they won't come here to ask about it (which in this case they never did) |
| 17:01.35 | marinosi | pumpkin0, any ideas where can i download a testing iso?i cannot find it anywhere(debian server have biiig lag) |
| 17:01.48 | pickcoder | brb.. need to resize another vol |
| 17:01.58 | geo-rge | marinosi: have ya read the topic of the channel? :) |
| 17:01.59 | CharminTheMoose | goddamn it,gcc version 3.4.0 is taking forever to compile |
| 17:02.00 | pumpkin0 | marinosi: one debianserver is down ... type "/topic" |
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| 17:02.59 | humbolto | how far is the work on etch? |
| 17:03.14 | humbolto | and how far the work on etch's xen implementation? |
| 17:03.16 | geo-rge | CharminTheMoose: it's installable from a .deb probably... and note, if you're building it yourself, you're advised to check the compiler using the steps in INSTALL |
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| 17:03.40 | geo-rge | humbolto: etch is currently frozen |
| 17:04.15 | humbolto | that's what I read. Are you using it already? Is is usable already? |
| 17:04.33 | humbolto | Where can I find detailed information about which kernel it will use, ... |
| 17:04.38 | pumpkin0 | humbolto: using it for 2 years now, no etch-related crashs so far. |
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| 17:04.56 | humbolto | What other great new things will be in etch? |
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| 17:05.12 | pumpkin0 | humbolto: uhm ... compiz ? |
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| 17:05.20 | airox | Same over here, using it for 1.5 years approx. |
| 17:05.22 | pumpkin0 | xorg ? |
| 17:05.30 | geo-rge | adamt: I'd say the only thing you -shouldn't- say is "You gotta try this sid thing! I use it on all my servers including the ones my job uses! been using it for a week, and so far the work data is safe! GO FOR IT!!" |
| 17:05.36 | marinosi | if etch is currently frozen which version should i install for new packages - desktop system |
| 17:05.37 | last4 | Hello having problem with apache2 with debian 3.1 |
| 17:05.38 | marinosi | ? |
| 17:05.53 | last4 | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 17:05.53 | last4 | Starting web server: Apache2[Sat Dec 16 18:02:30 2006] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 17:05.53 | abrotman | !ask |
| 17:05.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:05.54 | pumpkin0 | marinosi: etch. |
| 17:06.08 | marinosi | pumpkin0, but it is frozen :-P |
| 17:06.17 | adamt | geo-rge: Good, 'cause that would be a tad too extreme ;-) |
| 17:06.18 | airox | last4: It clearly states what is wrong. You have to add virtualhosts. |
| 17:06.33 | valdyn | marinosi: what's the problem with etch being frozen? |
| 17:06.40 | last4 | airox: i have virtualhost |
| 17:06.41 | last4 | NameVirtualHost * |
| 17:06.43 | last4 | <VirtualHost *> |
| 17:06.45 | marinosi | valdyn, it is not developed any more? |
| 17:06.45 | last4 | ServerAdmin mycroft@neti.ee |
| 17:06.47 | last4 | DocumentRoot /www/cs.kajgana.com/public |
| 17:06.49 | last4 | ServerName cs.kajgana.com |
| 17:06.51 | last4 | ErrorLog /www/cs.kajgana.com/logs/error_log |
| 17:06.53 | abrotman | marinosi: it's preparing for release |
| 17:06.53 | last4 | CustomLog /www/cs.kagana.com/logs/access_log common |
| 17:06.53 | airox | last4: Stop pasting please. |
| 17:06.55 | last4 | </VirtualHost> |
| 17:06.57 | abrotman | last4: STOP PASSTING |
| 17:07.02 | last4 | on logs it says unable to open logs |
| 17:07.06 | valdyn | marinosi: that's not really your issue |
| 17:07.06 | geo-rge | and pasting too |
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| 17:07.36 | valdyn | marinosi: assuming you want a system that gets new packages, etch + backports is fine. |
| 17:07.39 | humbolto | Is sun's java available in the debian repos since it is GPLed now? |
| 17:07.40 | adamt | last4: maybe you should read the topic of this channel, before doing anything else. |
| 17:07.43 | abrotman | !java |
| 17:07.44 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 17:07.47 | valdyn | marinosi: backports will appear once etch releases |
| 17:07.51 | pumpkin0 | marinosi: it has finished the testing-phase and because stable. (If you buy a car, would like one that is tested before or after you buy it ?) |
| 17:08.00 | adamt | humbolto: it have been available in non-free for a long time. |
| 17:08.09 | geo-rge | humbolto: Yeah, I think :) |
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| 17:08.26 | last4 | okok, sorry for pasting but solution ? |
| 17:08.34 | abrotman | create the log dir ? |
| 17:08.35 | pumpkin0 | !pastebin |
| 17:08.35 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 17:08.48 | airox | Touch the logs and change the rights correctly. |
| 17:08.49 | valdyn | marinosi: but if you really meant that you want a bleeding edge syste, but that you don't need to get work done. go for sid |
| 17:08.50 | pumpkin0 | solution for pasting or for your problem ? |
| 17:09.02 | geo-rge | adamt: and it left non-free, for awhile you had to get the .bin and feed to make-jpkg and install the result |
| 17:09.18 | last4 | pumpkin0, thanks but i dont need a wiseguy |
| 17:09.24 | adamt | geo-rge: And it got back :-) |
| 17:09.25 | marinosi | Anybody knows if etch hosted anywhere else because the debian server is down? |
| 17:09.31 | airox | last4: You are sure you symlinked the sites-available/virtualhostname to sites-enabled/virtualhostname ? |
| 17:09.44 | geo-rge | if you need a pasting butt solution, I'd suggest not using paste when you sit down! |
| 17:09.44 | valdyn | marinosi: ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org |
| 17:09.52 | abrotman | valdyn: no .. cdimage.d.o is down |
| 17:09.55 | adamt | marinosi: tried jigdo? |
| 17:10.05 | valdyn | abrotman: ops |
| 17:10.12 | abrotman | so you can't get BT or jigdo or ISO |
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| 17:10.52 | geo-rge | well you should be able to get jigdo images if you already have jigdo, right? |
| 17:11.04 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:11.18 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: + the jigdo-master file for that CD-set. |
| 17:11.27 | geo-rge | jigdo uses package mirrors still? |
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| 17:11.51 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: these are up and running ... |
| 17:11.53 | benny | hello, is there a way to use fglrx with ratpoison ?? |
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| 17:12.08 | geo-rge | oic, and those files are not themselves mirrored? would seem to me useful to be mirrored on package mirrors |
| 17:12.13 | valdyn | benny: sure |
| 17:12.19 | benny | valdyn: how ? :) |
| 17:12.24 | valdyn | benny: how what? |
| 17:12.33 | benny | valdyn: how can I do that :S ? |
| 17:12.37 | valdyn | benny: window managers dont make or break your X server |
| 17:12.37 | geo-rge | maybe someone should upload a package of jigdo files for cd images |
| 17:12.42 | valdyn | benny: read the documentation? |
| 17:12.48 | benny | valdyn: :( |
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| 17:13.04 | benny | valdyn: fglrx works with gdm, but not with ratpoison |
| 17:13.21 | geo-rge | you use fglrx with xorg x server |
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| 17:13.32 | valdyn | benny: what the hell has either got to do with fglrx ? |
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| 17:13.43 | geo-rge | those are both x clients |
| 17:13.50 | nearfar | any idea why the Super alone does not work in gnome? (but the Hyper key does) |
| 17:13.52 | valdyn | benny: BOTH are programs running on top of X, both don't break fglrx |
| 17:14.00 | benny | valdyn: I do not konw, that's the problem ;D |
| 17:14.05 | geo-rge | fglrx is a driver for x server |
| 17:14.39 | valdyn | !tell benny -about ask |
| 17:14.39 | valdyn | !tell benny -about smart questions |
| 17:14.39 | benny | valdyn: if I'm using gdm, fglrxinfo says that Direct Rendering is working, under ratpoison it says, it doesnt |
| 17:14.39 | valdyn | benny: tell us what doesnt work exactly, then someone might e able to help |
| 17:14.49 | enouf | metacity |
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| 17:15.03 | benny | valdyn: I'm not able to specify it more, yes, metacity |
| 17:15.06 | valdyn | benny: do you have sudo setup? |
| 17:15.15 | enouf | gdm is a display manager benny |
| 17:15.15 | schme | benny: What if you use gdm and ratpoison ? and oh yeah, you are not making any sense (: |
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| 17:15.41 | benny | schme: thx :) |
| 17:15.48 | valdyn | looks like an issue with permissions to me anyway, ratpoison has nothing to do with it |
| 17:16.10 | valdyn | benny: answer these questions... |
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| 17:16.42 | benny | valdyn: i'll try "sudo startx ratpoison" |
| 17:16.49 | benny | valdyn: but my log says, it would be working ... |
| 17:16.49 | valdyn | benny: no, don't |
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| 17:17.11 | valdyn | benny: run your ratpoison, try 'fglrxinfo' and 'sudo fglrxinfo' |
| 17:17.59 | benny | valdyn: I tried that already ---> no effect |
| 17:18.37 | geo-rge | benny: what do you mean? |
| 17:19.09 | geo-rge | ratpoison should not be messing with server settings |
| 17:19.11 | geo-rge | not ever |
| 17:19.23 | valdyn | it cant |
| 17:20.14 | benny | but it does :( |
| 17:20.41 | valdyn | benny: run 'ldd fglrxinfo' and save the output. Do that where direct rendering works and where it does not. |
| 17:20.51 | valdyn | benny: the output might differ |
| 17:20.55 | benny | ok :) |
| 17:20.56 | geo-rge | for one thing, startx ratpoison causes the x server AND ratpoison to be run as the user |
| 17:21.43 | benny | geo-rge: what's wrong ? |
| 17:21.49 | valdyn | geo-rge: except that X is supposed to be suid root |
| 17:21.51 | abrotman | valdyn: you're not DD are you ? |
| 17:21.59 | valdyn | abrotman: nope |
| 17:22.29 | abrotman | i want someone (DD/NM) to explain why |
| 17:22.30 | geo-rge | valdyn: so it's real uid/gid is root? |
| 17:22.34 | abrotman | !dbugs 369922 |
| 17:22.37 | dpkg | #369922:I[bind9-host] bind9-host: host ignores /etc/hosts file; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:48:23 UTC |
| 17:22.40 | abrotman | isn't RC |
| 17:22.43 | benny | I'll mess around a bit... |
| 17:22.59 | geo-rge | abrotman: but is that actually true? |
| 17:23.02 | benny | can I "sudo startx" and "user ratpoison" ? |
| 17:23.06 | abrotman | geo-rge: it happens on my etch box |
| 17:23.32 | geo-rge | and your resolver configs are, umm, sane? |
| 17:23.41 | benny | I'll come back in 1min |
| 17:23.47 | valdyn | abrotman: is that a bug though? what does the manpage of 'host' say about it? |
| 17:23.59 | abrotman | geo-rge: shouldn't `host <mycomputername in /etc/hosts>` return something ? |
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| 17:24.10 | geo-rge | sure |
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| 17:24.15 | william_s1 | hello |
| 17:24.24 | geo-rge | dello |
| 17:24.26 | abrotman | especially if <computername> is in /etc/hosts |
| 17:24.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: you do know that /usr/bin/host doesn't actually use the resolver library, but the bind9 one? |
| 17:24.40 | valdyn | abrotman: host is a simple utility for performing DNS lookups., sais nothing about /etc/hosts, but i dunno |
| 17:24.42 | william_s1 | I use Debian and I want to buy a Mac. Anyone in this room uses Debian on a Mac ? |
| 17:24.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's great .. still broken |
| 17:24.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: I think it's broken by design. |
| 17:25.01 | abrotman | william_s1: which kind of mac ? |
| 17:25.10 | abrotman | jelly: does it work on sarge ? |
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| 17:25.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: probably not |
| 17:25.30 | william_s1 | Mi PC is broken and probably I will buy a Mac Mini ( intel ) |
| 17:25.30 | abrotman | nslookup localhost .. goes to my dns server to get an answer |
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| 17:25.50 | benny | hm... george, you said "metacity" |
| 17:26.11 | benny | ._. could you give me a context ? |
| 17:26.29 | geo-rge | abrotman: I'd say it would be release-critical if ping did the same thing |
| 17:26.35 | enouf | benny: update-alternatives --list x-window-manager |
| 17:26.51 | abrotman | geo-rge: seems pretty odd |
| 17:26.53 | geo-rge | I didn't say metacity |
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| 17:27.32 | yang | what is the best anti-spamming filter that is available with exim? |
| 17:27.36 | geo-rge | abrotman: maybe host, dig, nslookup (especially the latter, see: its name) only query dnsews |
| 17:27.43 | valdyn | abrotman: host doesnt use the resolver library, it just does a lookup via /etc/resolv.conf, so i would guess its broken by design |
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| 17:28.02 | abrotman | okay .. then why wasn't the bug closed ? |
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| 17:28.13 | abrotman | been there for six months |
| 17:28.21 | valdyn | abrotman: or flagged 'WONTFIX' i dunno |
| 17:28.31 | geo-rge | enouf said metacity |
| 17:28.43 | geo-rge | but didn't provide any context |
| 17:28.53 | enouf | yep |
| 17:29.17 | jelly-home | abrotman: in essence, host is a utility for ns lookups, not a utility to resolve names/ips. :-| |
| 17:29.20 | benny | geo-rge: hm |
| 17:29.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: okay .. so close it or fix it |
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| 17:29.37 | benny | geo-rge: I think, I must use gdm then :( |
| 17:29.39 | jelly-home | abrotman: ianadd ;-) |
| 17:29.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: anyone can close them |
| 17:30.11 | benny | geo-rge: *waiting for a *everything-works-trick** |
| 17:30.16 | geo-rge | jelly-home: well, for the name "host" I'd say it should check hosts |
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| 17:30.39 | geo-rge | benny: when you find one let us know! |
| 17:30.43 | wimpies | Need some help getting my sound back up. The modules do not want to load anymore claing version mismatch ... |
| 17:30.59 | benny | geo-rge: I give up :D |
| 17:31.03 | geo-rge | wimpies: why? |
| 17:31.07 | benny | geo-rge: so I won't find one, sorry |
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| 17:31.17 | ryty | what's the best way to change ethernet interface named in debian? |
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| 17:31.21 | ryty | names* |
| 17:31.28 | wimpies | I did an upgrade and it broke things. |
| 17:31.43 | wimpies | However I seem to have all 2.6.17-10 packages installed ... |
| 17:31.43 | ryty | wimpies: running SID? |
| 17:31.52 | wimpies | yes |
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| 17:31.56 | mezzo | wimpies: me too :( |
| 17:31.59 | Caitriona | ryty: hmm... why would you need to? |
| 17:32.00 | ryty | wimpies: and you're surprised? lol |
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| 17:32.15 | wimpies | well SID 'is' unstable but for the kernel I never had problems |
| 17:32.17 | mezzo | well testing for me |
| 17:32.18 | benny | geo-rge: is there a way to do something like ----> sudo "startx ratpoison" ? |
| 17:32.22 | ryty | Caitriona: I have 3 NICs, it's going to be a router. I would rather not guess each time I change something |
| 17:32.43 | Caitriona | ryty: there's a way to reference them based on mac address. |
| 17:32.54 | ryty | Caitriona: that would work |
| 17:32.59 | ryty | got a link by chance? |
| 17:33.05 | Caitriona | lemme find it, just a minute |
| 17:33.08 | ryty | or some word I can type into google? |
| 17:33.09 | ryty | lol |
| 17:33.11 | benny | geo-rge: got it, but doesnt work |
| 17:33.12 | Caitriona | been a while since I've had this problem |
| 17:33.18 | cahoot | ryty, someone pointed to some udevrule on this matter |
| 17:33.24 | ryty | ahh ok |
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| 17:33.26 | Caitriona | and my usual solution has been to use different NICs |
| 17:33.28 | ryty | I think I found that |
| 17:33.32 | geo-rge | I have no idea for that... I don't run sid myself... but: if the cards are different and you control the driver load order, you should get eth0,1,2 |
| 17:33.34 | pickcoder | ryty: look at persistent rules in /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 17:33.34 | jelly-home | geo-rge: maybe, but it's usually better to rtfm and see what a command is actually supposed to do, and tfm says it does DNS lookups. |
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| 17:33.34 | ryty | just making sure that was the best way |
| 17:34.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: but shouldn't that obey /etc/nsswitch.conf ? |
| 17:34.05 | benny | geo-rge: but it's nice :D... X says, everything is working, but fglrx is not available |
| 17:34.13 | geo-rge | jelly-home: I'm not saying that, I'm saying there is something wrong with the name, it does not communicate its purpose clearly |
| 17:34.38 | geo-rge | and if anything, that's what the bug report should state |
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| 17:34.51 | benny | geo-rge: I think, I'll just hate X and say goodbye :) |
| 17:34.56 | benny | bye |
| 17:35.00 | jelly-home | geo-rge: I agree with that, and it's been like that for a while. |
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| 17:35.13 | pickcoder | z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 17:35.15 | geo-rge | benny: be sure to read that "smart questions" link |
| 17:35.26 | benny | geo-rge: ... |
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| 17:35.45 | abrotman | i still think it should adhere to /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 17:35.51 | pickcoder | ryty: you can specify the mac with the device name |
| 17:36.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: strictly, no. It does DNS lookups, not "test your resolver". No files or ldap or any other kind of resolving, just dns. |
| 17:36.04 | pickcoder | there should already be lines in there for your existing interfaces |
| 17:36.06 | peterrus | hey, can someone tell me how to make a command autorun as root on startup? |
| 17:36.18 | geo-rge | abrotman: my opinion is that host should, dig and nslookup should not |
| 17:36.25 | abrotman | they all should! |
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| 17:36.44 | enouf | cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager .. and as root update-alternatives --list x-window-manager .. see ratpoison? |
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| 17:36.57 | jelly-home | abrotman: ... this makes some sense seeing as it's a utility that comes with bind9. |
| 17:37.05 | abrotman | still should look in /etc/hosts |
| 17:37.06 | geo-rge | no, not nslookup (the name, expanded, is name server lookup_ |
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| 17:37.17 | Icb3a | quelqu'un qui parle bien anglais ici ?? ( :p ) |
| 17:37.17 | abrotman | or rather .. /etc/nsswitch.conf to see if it should consult /etc/hosts |
| 17:37.22 | abrotman | !fr |
| 17:37.22 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:37.23 | Icb3a | et qui me comprend |
| 17:37.23 | Icb3a | :p |
| 17:37.30 | ryty | pickcoder: little late, but thanks anyhow |
| 17:37.31 | Caitriona | ryty: if you look in man 5 interfaces, under known bugs/limitations |
| 17:37.40 | Icb3a | i seek a guy who speak english and french.. :p |
| 17:37.42 | Caitriona | there's a script there that provides an example |
| 17:37.45 | Icb3a | I know english |
| 17:37.48 | enouf | is acting aloof .. pops a jab in here and there ... just for now .. need some rest |
| 17:37.49 | abrotman | !fr |
| 17:37.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:37.50 | Icb3a | a little |
| 17:37.58 | ryty | Caitriona: hmm, thanks! |
| 17:38.00 | Icb3a | need some traduction |
| 17:38.00 | Icb3a | :) |
| 17:38.07 | abrotman | Icb3a: go to #debian-fr |
| 17:38.12 | geo-rge | Icb3a: if you're comfortable here, then welcome |
| 17:38.21 | abrotman | he needs a translator |
| 17:38.29 | Icb3a | abrotman I'm able to speak english.. |
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| 17:38.41 | enouf | heh |
| 17:38.45 | mezzo | no don't go there |
| 17:38.45 | Icb3a | I need a translator to help me for translate a web site |
| 17:38.46 | Icb3a | :) |
| 17:38.46 | abrotman | wtf is a traduction ? |
| 17:38.51 | abrotman | see! |
| 17:38.55 | abrotman | not a Debian problem |
| 17:38.56 | mezzo | the french channel is terrible |
| 17:38.57 | Icb3a | traduction = translation |
| 17:38.58 | Icb3a | :) |
| 17:39.04 | abrotman | mezzo: we've heard :) |
| 17:39.20 | mezzo | runned by a-*s (pardon my french) |
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| 17:39.51 | mezzo | i got kicked once just for saying 'ubuntu' |
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| 17:40.03 | Icb3a | ptdr mezzo |
| 17:40.05 | Icb3a | mdr |
| 17:40.07 | Icb3a | lol |
| 17:40.08 | geo-rge | Icb3a: I thought there was a site that translates web pages automatically |
| 17:40.13 | mezzo | sérieux, je déconne pas |
| 17:40.22 | rhalff | hi not really a debian question, but any clues on how to redirect output to a pipe with nmap -oX ? it seems to be expecting me always wanting the output in a file. |
| 17:40.27 | Icb3a | geo-rge i need a good traduction for an official web site i do :) |
| 17:40.31 | peterrus | can someone tell me how to make a binary autorun on startup, even before the login shell? (a game serve) |
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| 17:40.34 | peterrus | srver* |
| 17:40.37 | abrotman | Icb3a: maybe ask #web |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 17:40.43 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:40.44 | Icb3a | mezzo t'es fr ? |
| 17:40.44 | ryty | ubuntu is similar to Debian, but I still like Debian better |
| 17:40.49 | geo-rge | Icb3a: from / to? |
| 17:40.54 | abrotman | ubuntu is also offtopic |
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| 17:40.59 | Icb3a | geo-rge from Fr to Eng :) |
| 17:41.03 | mezzo | Icb3a: ben oui |
| 17:41.10 | Icb3a | mezzo t'es bon en anglais ? |
| 17:41.11 | mezzo | ça se voit pas ? =) |
| 17:41.11 | peterrus | COOL! |
| 17:41.19 | mezzo | yes ) |
| 17:41.20 | Icb3a | pour traduire un site Fr en Eng .; enfin quelques mot |
| 17:41.21 | Icb3a | :) |
| 17:41.21 | peterrus | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:41.26 | Icb3a | han.. sweet ca |
| 17:41.26 | peterrus | argh |
| 17:41.27 | Icb3a | je te pv |
| 17:41.27 | Icb3a | :) |
| 17:41.28 | peterrus | sorry |
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| 17:41.34 | mezzo | oki |
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| 17:41.53 | rhalff | debian is great again since etch :p |
| 17:42.23 | Icb3a | debian is the greatest distrib ever the world... |
| 17:42.24 | Icb3a | :) |
| 17:42.24 | jelly-home | Icb3a: you could try http://translate.google.com/ or some other automatic service and see if it dumps anything useful |
| 17:42.27 | geo-rge | if you're going to do your communication in french, then you should take it elsewhere, your own channel or #debian-fr |
| 17:42.40 | Icb3a | jelly-home thx i wil do :) |
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| 17:43.36 | mezzo | geo-rge: sure don't worry |
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| 17:43.47 | mezzo | sorry =) |
| 17:43.53 | kekekeke | kekekeke, ubuntu is teh rulz0r3rz! |
| 17:43.59 | kekekeke | debian is teh sux0r3rz! |
| 17:44.13 | geo-rge | !ops kekekeke troll |
| 17:44.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: geo-rge complains about: kekekeke troll |
| 17:44.17 | kekekeke | no kick? |
| 17:44.25 | kekekeke | cmon |
| 17:44.27 | mezzo | kekekeke: you're not on #debian-fr |
| 17:44.30 | kekekeke | hm |
| 17:44.32 | pickcoder | kekekeke: don't worry it'll happen soon |
| 17:44.35 | kekekeke | french debian ? |
| 17:44.42 | kekekeke | lucky for me i speek some french |
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| 17:44.56 | mezzo | kekekeke: please go and make them miserable |
| 17:44.59 | mezzo | =) |
| 17:45.00 | Supaplex | kekekeke: yea, /join #debian2,000 |
| 17:45.02 | mezzo | say it's from me |
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| 17:45.21 | anapivirtua_ | Oyo / Re |
| 17:46.02 | kekekeke | hm no |
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| 17:46.06 | kekekeke | they won't kick me either |
| 17:46.10 | kekekeke | perhaps they're busy smokin |
| 17:46.15 | mezzo | hang in there |
| 17:46.18 | mezzo | it'll come |
| 17:46.23 | kekekeke | kewl |
| 17:46.34 | JordiGH | Hm, that's strange. Captive isn't going to get packaged anytime soon, eh? |
| 17:46.35 | kekekeke | if there's one thing i love it's senseless trollin |
| 17:46.40 | Supaplex | !pal kekekeke |
| 17:46.42 | kekekeke | without it, my life would be emptty and hollow |
| 17:46.58 | enouf | !shoot kekekeke |
| 17:47.06 | Caitriona | !shoot me |
| 17:47.07 | jelly-home | JordiGH: what, captive-ntfs? |
| 17:47.08 | kekekeke | as long as people feel offenden and get provoked my life's filled with happyness |
| 17:47.09 | kekekeke | kekekeke |
| 17:47.26 | JordiGH | jelly: Yeah. I was looking at wnpp. It's been requested almost two years ago. |
| 17:47.42 | abrotman | nalioth: ping ? |
| 17:47.48 | kekekeke | well |
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| 17:47.51 | jelly-home | JordiGH: ntfs-3g is packaged |
| 17:47.59 | nalioth | abrotman: pong |
| 17:48.06 | abrotman | nalioth: can we get help? :) |
| 17:48.08 | kekekeke | should i join #ubuntu and tell em that ubuntu is teh sux and debian teh r0x? |
| 17:48.26 | jelly-home | kekekeke: no. And you shouldn't ask here about that. |
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| 17:48.32 | WAndre | hi, are there any mirrors for etch installer cd images? |
| 17:48.32 | nalioth | abrotman: where are your ops? |
| 17:48.38 | rahul | kekekeke: if you want to get banned from #ubuntu, sure |
| 17:48.41 | abrotman | nalioth: you know .. i ask the same question every day ... |
| 17:48.42 | Supaplex | WAndre: yes. |
| 17:48.51 | geo-rge | jelly-home: obviously he's going to obey you every day! |
| 17:48.55 | JordiGH | jelly-home: And does ntfs-3g work? |
| 17:48.58 | geo-rge | NOT |
| 17:49.01 | pickcoder | abrotman: no ops for you! |
| 17:49.07 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I thought it would be big news if it did... |
| 17:49.08 | WAndre | Supaplex: I can't find any |
| 17:49.15 | nalioth | abrotman: /ignore works well |
| 17:49.27 | jelly-home | JordiGH: it worked from the day one. |
| 17:49.27 | abrotman | for me ... |
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| 17:49.54 | jelly-home | JordiGH: but only on i386 (possibly amd64) |
| 17:50.02 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Really? No loss of data? |
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| 17:50.21 | WAndre | Supaplex: do you've any links? |
| 17:50.23 | schme | I'm having some i915 X.org and glx-related problems on my lil' debian box. Could anyone suggest a good channel to ask for help? |
| 17:50.25 | Supaplex | WAndre: you must be looking in the wrong place. start at http://www.debian.org/ then follow "CD ISO Images" ... |
| 17:50.49 | pumpkin0 | Supaplex: the cdimage-server is down, taking the link-list with it... |
| 17:51.09 | abrotman | nalioth: sorry to bother |
| 17:51.16 | pickcoder | schme: if you ask a technical question you may get an answer |
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| 17:51.26 | Supaplex | borrow archive.org |
| 17:51.27 | WAndre | Supaplex: I did and came to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso, but I can't connect |
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| 17:51.34 | nalioth | abrotman: there are guidelines by which we all work under :| |
| 17:51.43 | abrotman | nalioth: i won't tell if you break them! :) |
| 17:51.43 | pumpkin0 | schme: upload the config and log into a pastebing and just ask here. |
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| 17:52.00 | Supaplex | WAndre: ok, what country are you in? Did you find http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ ? |
| 17:52.18 | abrotman | cdimage.d.o is down |
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| 17:52.28 | abrotman | for etch related images anyways |
| 17:52.35 | WAndre | Supaplex: that is for stable only, no? |
| 17:52.38 | JordiGH | abrotman: BTW, yesterday about #debian not knowing my answer but #openbsd yes, it was probably more of an OpenBSD than Debian problem... On the other hand, the OpenBSD people seem to know a lot about sysadminning networks and how they interact with Linux-based systems. |
| 17:52.40 | HyperDevil | what is the cron syntax, when i want to make a cron run every 2 days 3.00AM? |
| 17:52.48 | Supaplex | yea mabye |
| 17:52.55 | JordiGH | HyperDevil: man crontab |
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| 17:53.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: oh .. we kicked those people out of #debian |
| 17:53.03 | pickcoder | I'd offer a mirror, but Dedibox got nailed for a couple of abusive torrent servers |
| 17:53.12 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I don't use it extensively so I really can't tell, but it looks better than the hack that is captive-ntfs |
| 17:53.25 | HyperDevil | JordiGH: thats good, says nothing about every 2 days, only specific days |
| 17:53.33 | abrotman | HyperDevil: man 5 crontab |
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| 17:53.53 | abrotman | HyperDevil: you can do */2 .. but that's even days .. not every two days |
| 17:53.54 | JordiGH | HyperDevil: Yikes. The OpenBSD manpage was a lot better. Hold on, I'm going to go look there. :-) |
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| 17:54.45 | HyperDevil | abrotman: then i miss a backup when the month is 31 days.. |
| 17:54.46 | Supaplex | WAndre: http://ftp.psn.ru/debian-cd/?N=D google for debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso if that's too far away. |
| 17:55.00 | abrotman | sng: go find the downed fir trees |
| 17:55.06 | abrotman | HyperDevil: yep |
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| 17:55.42 | jelly-home | HyperDevil: eh, set it up every day, then check if unixtime % (86400*2) is 0 in the script |
| 17:55.59 | WAndre | Supaplex: thx, but < 10 kb/s |
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| 17:56.27 | abrotman | HyperDevil: you could write a script you call every day |
| 17:57.21 | JordiGH | jelly-home: BTW, while we're talking about the epoch, what's a a minimal C program that will output unix time? I coded it a long time ago, I kept the binary, threw out the source, but for the life of me, I can't remember how I coded it, and I have honestly had no success replicating my efforts reading documentation. |
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| 17:57.39 | abrotman | HyperDevil: roughly .. every time you back up .. "touch /var/something/backupcheck" .. when your script runs again .. check stat to get the time it was last accessed or something .. if more than 24 hours .. backup |
| 17:58.05 | schme | gnubg crashes for me on my Debian box.. http://pastebin.ca/281298 (xorg.conf and error message). Any takers? (: |
| 17:58.37 | jelly-home | JordiGH: dunno, I use date +%s ... you could strace it. ;-) |
| 17:59.28 | JordiGH | I've learned my lesson: always compile with debug symbols. :-) |
| 17:59.30 | pickcoder | HyperDevil: just specify the day of weeks you want to back-up, starting with 1 |
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| 17:59.34 | pickcoder | through 31 |
| 17:59.40 | pickcoder | er 30 |
| 18:00.05 | abrotman | pickcoder: that doesn't work |
| 18:00.09 | pickcoder | why? |
| 18:00.32 | abrotman | he wants to backup every other day .. Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat, Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun ...etc |
| 18:00.40 | HuK0B | why I can't download debian-installer testing? |
| 18:00.46 | abrotman | site down |
| 18:00.51 | HuK0B | ok |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | if we had an op .. we could get something in the topic ... |
| 18:01.08 | Supaplex | pickcoder: he said every other day. 7 is not divisible by 2, and neither is 31, so you can't reference the day of the week, or the day of the month. |
| 18:01.26 | pickcoder | true |
| 18:01.28 | CharminTheMoose | how well does ndiswrapper cope with wep encryption? |
| 18:02.10 | HuK0B | can you tell me some mirror where I can download it |
| 18:02.17 | Supaplex | CharminTheMoose: baby jesus cries when you buy unsupported hardware :-X |
| 18:02.41 | CharminTheMoose | Supaplex: what do you mean by that? |
| 18:02.49 | CharminTheMoose | my hardware is supported |
| 18:03.03 | HuK0B | ? |
| 18:03.15 | Supaplex | CharminTheMoose: by the kernel, or ndiswrapper? |
| 18:03.16 | geo-rge | baby jesus cries when you don't check before buying (and I'm not sure who this message should be to L:) |
| 18:03.22 | CharminTheMoose | my wireless works without encryption |
| 18:03.31 | pickcoder | well then you can run a script daily and use test to determine if a file is present or not. When you need to run the backup the next day, then touch the file.. if it doesn't need to be run, then remove it |
| 18:03.34 | CharminTheMoose | Supaplex:by both |
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| 18:03.43 | schme | I keep getting GLXBadContext and program crashes with X.org +i915GM here (http://pastebin.ca/281298 ) . How would I solve this? |
| 18:03.54 | Supaplex | CharminTheMoose: what adapter? |
| 18:04.18 | CharminTheMoose | a dell wireless 1450 wireless adapter |
| 18:04.24 | ct12am | I'm having apt problems. I need to brute force apt and tell him to stop being uncooperative. If someone will help me I'll email them thank you. |
| 18:04.26 | CharminTheMoose | ooops |
| 18:04.36 | CharminTheMoose | a dell wireless 1450 usb adapter |
| 18:04.51 | JordiGH | ct12am: Don't force apt. Fix the problem with aptitude. |
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| 18:04.57 | ct12am | I only have CLI |
| 18:05.04 | JordiGH | ct12am: aptitude is CLI. |
| 18:05.06 | ct12am | Cool |
| 18:05.07 | ct12am | dude |
| 18:05.10 | ct12am | but... |
| 18:05.13 | Supaplex | what kernel driver supports it? |
| 18:05.15 | ct12am | should I install from source? |
| 18:05.24 | ct12am | or can I make apt-get install JUST it? |
| 18:05.24 | JordiGH | ct12am: Never in Debian. |
| 18:05.28 | ct12am | k thx |
| 18:05.28 | CharminTheMoose | Supaplex: I dunno |
| 18:05.33 | jelly-home | ct12am: you'll need to explain the problem with more detail, pastebin the exact command and the complete error message |
| 18:05.35 | pickcoder | ct12am: what is the issue with apt? |
| 18:05.35 | geo-rge | and Never On Sunday! |
| 18:05.39 | JordiGH | ct12am: Are you sure aptitude isn't already installed? |
| 18:05.50 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 18:05.50 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
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| 18:06.04 | CharminTheMoose | all i know is that my dell wirless 1450 works without wep and doesn't work with wep |
| 18:06.05 | ct12am | yes, it is installed already, I just have never used aptitude |
| 18:06.31 | JordiGH | ct12am: Read the docs. Learn how to use its conflict resolution mechanism. If it's a problem with broken dependencies, you can suggest a fix with aptitude. |
| 18:06.32 | ct12am | I love crips |
| 18:06.40 | CrippsFX | haha. |
| 18:06.46 | geo-rge | ct12am: you can install anything you want to from source... but it will be very strictly off topic for discussion here or on any debian-* list |
| 18:06.53 | CrippsFX | CharminTheMoose, have you tried using a 64 bit key instead of 128? |
| 18:06.59 | ct12am | haha geo-rge, cool |
| 18:07.05 | CharminTheMoose | CrippsFX:nope |
| 18:07.05 | ct12am | Jordi: thanks |
| 18:07.07 | CharminTheMoose | should i? |
| 18:07.26 | ct12am | I have no nick completion in ircii apparently |
| 18:07.29 | CrippsFX | CharminTheMoose, if you can set the AP to use 64 bit, it might work. That's what I had to do at home. |
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| 18:07.42 | CrippsFX | I can use 64 bit wep or wpa, but not 128 bit wep |
| 18:07.45 | JordiGH | ct12am: Also,a pointer: the first thing you should notice about aptitude is that it treats recommends as dependencies by default. For simplicity, turn off that feature for now while you fix your dependency conflict. |
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| 18:07.52 | gpm | d-i's in good shape |
| 18:07.59 | ct12am | ok JordiGH |
| 18:08.03 | CrippsFX | gpm, d-i? |
| 18:08.05 | CharminTheMoose | CrippsFX,cool I'll try that. |
| 18:08.06 | CharminTheMoose | thanks |
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| 18:08.15 | geo-rge | ct12am: and the reason for the offtopicness? it's as "not debian" as slackware would be |
| 18:08.16 | gpm | CrippsFX: debian installer |
| 18:08.21 | CrippsFX | ah. |
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| 18:09.32 | ct12am | offtopicness? |
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| 18:09.38 | ct12am | ohhh... |
| 18:09.44 | ct12am | you were answering your own question |
| 18:09.47 | ct12am | I can never do that |
| 18:09.59 | WAndre | ah, cdimage d.o is up again :) |
| 18:10.00 | ct12am | answer my own q's |
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| 18:10.24 | geo-rge | ct12am: sure you can :) |
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| 18:10.39 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, is d-i used in etch? |
| 18:10.45 | Supaplex | yuppers |
| 18:10.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:10.55 | CrippsFX | then I've already used it ;) |
| 18:11.02 | geo-rge | yes..,. but the installer is temporarily unavailale |
| 18:11.11 | CrippsFX | ... I caN't remember though, since it's been a few months. |
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| 18:11.27 | rhalff | any mirrors for php5-eaccelerator for etch ? |
| 18:11.37 | ct12am | I'm reading aptitude's man right now geo-rge, so there WAS hope but now I'm going to Mikoto express for Filet and Shrimp with white sauce so... OFF TOPICNESS COMENSING! |
| 18:11.58 | CrippsFX | ct12am, "commencing" |
| 18:11.58 | ct12am | but I'm gonna idle |
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| 18:12.00 | geo-rge | heh |
| 18:12.01 | CrippsFX | :P |
| 18:12.05 | ct12am | haha, thanks CRIP GANG! |
| 18:12.16 | CrippsFX | not a gang. It's my last name. |
| 18:12.23 | ct12am | haha, jk with ya's |
| 18:12.25 | ct12am | cool |
| 18:12.28 | JordiGH | ct12am: aptitude has HTML docs. Start there. |
| 18:12.28 | geo-rge | gang of one! |
| 18:12.37 | ct12am | I have lynx! |
| 18:12.37 | CrippsFX | I know, but I get it enough that it's really starting to piss me off. |
| 18:12.44 | CrippsFX | links > lynx |
| 18:12.50 | ct12am | cool, I have apt!... |
| 18:12.51 | ct12am | ahhh... |
| 18:12.53 | ct12am | uhhh |
| 18:12.55 | CrippsFX | :D |
| 18:13.01 | Supaplex | netcat > links > lynx ;) |
| 18:13.11 | JordiGH | wget > netcat > links > lynx |
| 18:13.13 | ct12am | netcat rules! I just posted on myspace today about it! |
| 18:13.16 | ct12am | honestly! |
| 18:13.16 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, hahaha. |
| 18:13.17 | ct12am | curl! |
| 18:13.20 | unlink | fetch > * |
| 18:13.24 | ct12am | YO |
| 18:13.26 | ct12am | I USE FETCH |
| 18:13.29 | CrippsFX | I haven't used netcat yet ... Imma go google it. |
| 18:13.30 | ct12am | on my PowerBook I broke |
| 18:13.31 | CrippsFX | SYN |
| 18:13.40 | ct12am | I broke my PowerBook to show my gf not to interrupt me |
| 18:13.47 | ct12am | Like two nights ago |
| 18:13.51 | CrippsFX | ct12am, sure showed that bitch. |
| 18:13.51 | unlink | did she learn? |
| 18:13.54 | ct12am | HAHA |
| 18:14.06 | geo-rge | wow, expensive, huh? |
| 18:14.10 | Supaplex | !pal ct12am |
| 18:14.12 | ct12am | Oh it was a gift! |
| 18:14.23 | geo-rge | someone paid for it :P |
| 18:14.30 | CrippsFX | so ... she gave you a macbook, and you broke it? |
| 18:14.30 | ct12am | My stepfather! |
| 18:14.32 | ct12am | ha ha ha |
| 18:14.33 | dvs | geo-rge: yeah, the notebook |
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| 18:14.43 | ct12am | I had it for a year and a half |
| 18:15.09 | ct12am | I use ubuntu usually. |
| 18:15.11 | ct12am | ha ha ha |
| 18:15.13 | CrippsFX | ct12am, next time you feel like breaking a macbook, we'll talk ... I'll trade my thinkpad for the macbook ... |
| 18:15.24 | ct12am | I have no MacBook! |
| 18:15.26 | ct12am | PowerBook |
| 18:15.30 | CrippsFX | whatevs. |
| 18:15.33 | ct12am | 1.5GHz PPC |
| 18:15.37 | CrippsFX | I'll still trade for it :P |
| 18:15.40 | pickcoder | meh |
| 18:15.41 | ct12am | Cool |
| 18:15.42 | ct12am | well |
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| 18:15.53 | ct12am | I like IBMs too |
| 18:16.02 | ct12am | My first comp IBM PS/1 |
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| 18:16.07 | unlink | the T60 rocks. |
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| 18:16.11 | CrippsFX | IBMs are nice ... but mine's a 380x something ... |
| 18:16.17 | SmallR2002 | i'll offer you bbelt16ag's soul and five pounds for it |
| 18:16.22 | CrippsFX | pentium I 233 |
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| 18:16.22 | dvs | ct12am: model 25? |
| 18:16.31 | ct12am | I dunno |
| 18:16.33 | ct12am | 33mhz |
| 18:16.35 | Supaplex | ct12am: which powerbook, and what's br0ked? |
| 18:16.36 | ct12am | i think |
| 18:16.37 | CrippsFX | my first comp was an IBM XT |
| 18:16.38 | ct12am | wait |
| 18:16.39 | ct12am | hahahaha |
| 18:16.40 | ct12am | no way |
| 18:16.41 | geo-rge | I offer 25.65 quatloos! |
| 18:16.43 | ct12am | like 8mhz |
| 18:16.50 | ct12am | 4mb ram |
| 18:16.51 | CrippsFX | yep. |
| 18:16.58 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 18:17.02 | CrippsFX | I had a 10 meg hard drive on mine! |
| 18:17.05 | SmallR2002 | my phone is better than your first pc :x |
| 18:17.09 | CrippsFX | ... the sheer space! |
| 18:17.09 | ct12am | 40 meg on mines |
| 18:17.11 | CrippsFX | :P |
| 18:17.14 | clearscreen | 4mb! you know how much bits can be stored on 4 whole megabytes |
| 18:17.19 | clearscreen | many* |
| 18:17.23 | ct12am | MB |
| 18:17.28 | geo-rge | 32mb |
| 18:17.31 | clearscreen | whatever |
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| 18:17.35 | SmallR2002 | clearscreen, about four megabytes worth? |
| 18:17.37 | CrippsFX | 4*1024*1024*8 ? |
| 18:17.39 | ct12am | Wait clearscreen mybad |
| 18:17.41 | yang | Is there a "checkinstall" package for installing programs, that you compile yourself? |
| 18:17.49 | ct12am | I thought you were joking on my previous lower-casing |
| 18:17.50 | ct12am | nm |
| 18:17.55 | tempest2k4 | is the /boot partition used during a running system in etch, if my drive i put my boot partition on is slow will it slow my system down after boot up ? |
| 18:17.58 | SmallR2002 | yang, checkinstall? |
| 18:18.03 | ct12am | gtg eat, bbl |
| 18:18.05 | ct12am | thanks all |
| 18:18.09 | tempest2k4 | if ya get what i mean |
| 18:18.15 | Supaplex | yang: from source or debs? |
| 18:18.18 | SmallR2002 | i was under the impression that was it's purpose |
| 18:18.25 | CrippsFX | SmallR2002, checkinstall builds a package from the source package and then installs it, right? |
| 18:18.38 | yang | Supaplex: something that performs "make install" as root and creates a .deb out of it |
| 18:18.43 | SmallR2002 | that's what i thought CrippsFX :~/ |
| 18:18.51 | geo-rge | tempest2k4: not really, but it's normally mounted |
| 18:19.00 | yang | Supaplex: so that it gets listed in the dpkg |
| 18:19.01 | SmallR2002 | that's what i've used it for anyway... hmmm |
| 18:19.02 | CrippsFX | ... it's been a long time since I built from a source deb, so I was just seeing if I remembered ;) |
| 18:19.29 | Supaplex | yang: that's what deb-src is for. build and package as non root. much safer, cleaner etc. |
| 18:19.41 | Supaplex | then install the deb :) |
| 18:19.44 | CHodapp | Anyone have reasons why my DVD burner can burn a disc at 10X but only read at about 4X (with no read errors)? |
| 18:19.48 | ct12am | Woah Airplanes |
| 18:19.49 | Supaplex | !fly into CrippsFX |
| 18:19.54 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, true enough ... but I'm lazy :P |
| 18:20.03 | CrippsFX | !dodge Supaplex |
| 18:20.12 | geo-rge | and tranes and automibiles? |
| 18:20.20 | yang | Supaplex: how is the "package" called? |
| 18:20.20 | ct12am | How you get so fly? By not being afraid to fall out the sky |
| 18:20.32 | CrippsFX | hah. |
| 18:20.39 | Supaplex | yang: apt-get source <package>. What are you building? |
| 18:20.53 | geo-rge | that's closer to the original def of "fly" |
| 18:20.54 | SmallR2002 | hmmm... i think we should all make new years resolutions to get out more :~/ |
| 18:21.02 | yang | Supaplex: no, i am building utils for vserver, the new version is not in etch |
| 18:21.16 | CrippsFX | SmallR2002, we could .... but then we'd all break our resolutions :P |
| 18:21.20 | mezzo | 130.239.18.138 is back up > for those who wanted the installer... |
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| 18:21.33 | Supaplex | yang: what about sid? if not, is there an older version? |
| 18:21.38 | tempest2k4 | thanks for that |
| 18:21.48 | yang | Supaplex: the older version won't work |
| 18:22.14 | CrippsFX | does anyone know where I can get my hands on TurboGears for etch? I'm trying to hack up a python XMMS2 client, but it needs the TurboGears framework :X |
| 18:22.23 | Supaplex | yang: that's ok, you can apt-get source anyway, and use uupdate |
| 18:22.35 | SmallR2002 | CrippsFX, yeah :X |
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| 18:22.54 | yang | Supaplex: what do you mean apt-get source ? the new version is not in etch |
| 18:23.20 | magyar | is there a way to unpack a bin and a cue file to harddrive? |
| 18:23.23 | geo-rge | what's uupdate |
| 18:23.29 | Supaplex | !uupdate |
| 18:23.30 | dpkg | uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision |
| 18:23.41 | CrippsFX | oh, nice! |
| 18:23.51 | Supaplex | takes the tarball and splices it into a new release |
| 18:23.54 | geo-rge | is it supposed to work on all packages? |
| 18:24.07 | yang | uupdate is also not there |
| 18:24.13 | Supaplex | install it |
| 18:24.18 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, does it do that automagically, or do you have to have the upstream source on hand? |
| 18:24.20 | geo-rge | !install it |
| 18:24.31 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, apt-get install it |
| 18:24.33 | Supaplex | you have to have the tarball downloaded already |
| 18:24.34 | yang | uupdate package is not in etch |
| 18:24.50 | geo-rge | !find uupdate |
| 18:24.58 | Supaplex | well who killed it? :P |
| 18:25.12 | CrippsFX | yang, even so, you could grabe a deb-src from sarge and rebuild it for etch. |
| 18:25.12 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'uupdate' (3): (/usr/bin/uupdate) in devel/devscripts ;; (/usr/bin/debnest_uupdate) in devel/debnest ;; (/usr/share/pycentral/gaupol/site-packages/gaupol/gtk/delegate/menuupdate.py) in gnome/gaupol. |
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| 18:25.46 | geo-rge | so it' |
| 18:25.53 | geo-rge | s in devscripts |
| 18:25.59 | cast | gamin is great. thwarting the evil fam |
| 18:26.09 | Supaplex | apt-file is handy to |
| 18:26.18 | CrippsFX | I sure hope it's not YOUR python ... that's just sick. |
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| 18:26.31 | cast | fighting the good fight against rpc! |
| 18:26.39 | yang | Supaplex: now i am confused, I got a .tar.gz version of the new util-vserver ,what must i perform to build a .deb out of it ... there is no deb-src and uupdate for etch. |
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| 18:27.02 | geo-rge | yang: devscripts |
| 18:27.04 | karim | is there a stream server or something like that for music ? I have my music on a pc on the lan, and want to listen it on another computer |
| 18:27.16 | blondie | vlc? |
| 18:27.21 | cast | karim: icecast :) |
| 18:27.26 | CrippsFX | karim, you can run xmms or xmms2 as an icecast server |
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| 18:27.41 | karim | mmm |
| 18:27.45 | CrippsFX | cast, great minds read about the same OOS projects ..... |
| 18:27.48 | CrippsFX | :P |
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| 18:27.51 | CrippsFX | er ... OSS |
| 18:28.12 | Supaplex | yang: uupdate is in devscripts, after that's installed, read the man page for uupdate. You'll need the upstream tarball, and the older (but most recently available) debian source, eg apt-get source foo. After you study the man page let us know remaining questions :) |
| 18:28.53 | CrippsFX | heh, I used to hate being told to read the man pages ... but then I started doing it ... best thing that ever happened to me ;) |
| 18:29.18 | geo-rge | "put the jig down slowly and back away!" |
| 18:29.21 | cast | aye. |
| 18:29.57 | CrippsFX | hm ... I feel strangely half nauseous ..... |
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| 18:30.07 | CrippsFX | .... I guess that means it's time for a smoke. |
| 18:30.08 | geo-rge | CrippsFX: learned how much you could find out about? :) |
| 18:30.16 | Supaplex | CrippsFX: you're only half sick ;) |
| 18:30.20 | geo-rge | ugh :P |
| 18:30.29 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, something like that ... and that man pages are chock full of examples |
| 18:30.39 | geo-rge | usually |
| 18:30.43 | Triona | CrippsFX, agreed... anyone that refuses to read documentation is doing themselves a disservice. |
| 18:30.45 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, yeah ... smoking sucks .... I might try to quit again in the new year |
| 18:31.18 | geo-rge | you can learn to quit the same way you learned to smoke |
| 18:31.18 | CrippsFX | Triona, indeed. catb.org also helped me learn that .... *sigh* I love the "how to ask smart questions" and "how to be a hacker" articles :P |
| 18:31.27 | CrippsFX | what, by doing it? |
| 18:31.42 | CrippsFX | .... or by watching other people not do it? |
| 18:31.52 | CrippsFX | ;) |
| 18:32.25 | CrippsFX | but, yeah ... since I don't want to leave my laptop unwatched in an airport, Imma log off and bring it with me ... I'll be back in a few. |
| 18:32.29 | CrippsFX | ciao for now. |
| 18:32.33 | geo-rge | only between their smokes tho,,, be careful not to look at them all the time! |
| 18:32.39 | cast | anyone here use the aide pkg? i don't quite understand the maintainers defaults..they appear to be insane |
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| 18:35.32 | therapy | hey... i have just installed my raid cards.. now when debain boots the device letters are changed... there is no swap space etc.. |
| 18:35.44 | therapy | how can i remap the drives? they are all shown in dmesg but are not accessable.. |
| 18:35.45 | dvs | drive letters? |
| 18:35.50 | rahul | letters? |
| 18:35.52 | therapy | /dev/hdb etc.. |
| 18:35.53 | unlink | he said device letters |
| 18:35.58 | rahul | heh |
| 18:36.09 | rahul | therapy: edit the /etc/fstab to correspond to the new drive names |
| 18:36.15 | therapy | have done... |
| 18:36.22 | therapy | still no swap or /home |
| 18:36.24 | rahul | good. you're all set :) |
| 18:36.25 | unlink | this isn't, well, if there was a windows channel, i'd say this is what this isn't. |
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| 18:36.35 | JordiGH | There is a Windows channel. |
| 18:36.37 | rahul | therapy: and what did you put in fstab for them? |
| 18:36.41 | therapy | no i rebooted an not change |
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| 18:37.02 | therapy | okay.. /home and swap was set to /dev/hda |
| 18:37.07 | rahul | ... |
| 18:37.13 | therapy | but when the raid card is found, it takes the device name /dev/hda |
| 18:37.17 | therapy | and /dev/hda becomes /dev/hdi |
| 18:37.26 | rahul | therapy: /home is /dev/hda? |
| 18:37.27 | geo-rge | could it be that you moved your old drives to the raid controller? |
| 18:37.40 | therapy | so i've changed /etc/fstab from /dev/ha1 to /dev/hdi1 /dev/hdi2 etc.. |
| 18:37.41 | rahul | try mounting them first and take a look at what's there |
| 18:37.45 | therapy | /dev/hda1* |
| 18:37.51 | therapy | i only have ssh access ;) |
| 18:37.53 | therapy | remote |
| 18:37.58 | geo-rge | ugh |
| 18:38.04 | therapy | no i've not moved any drives |
| 18:38.07 | rahul | mount /dev/hdi3 /mnt ; ls /mnt |
| 18:38.14 | therapy | okay sec |
| 18:38.14 | rahul | etc |
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| 18:38.34 | geo-rge | so the presence of the raid cards moves existing controller to different device? |
| 18:38.42 | therapy | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 18:38.56 | yang | Supaplex: ok I move a new util-vserver.tar.gz into [19:38:19] root@jason ~/util-vserver-0.30.211 and run uupdate ? |
| 18:38.58 | therapy | Csh-2:/boot/grub# mount -text3 /dev/hdi6 /mnt/home |
| 18:38.58 | therapy | mount: special device /dev/hdi6 does not exist |
| 18:38.59 | geo-rge | fdisk -l |
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| 18:39.13 | therapy | only the 2 raid devices are shown from "fdisk -l" |
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| 18:39.31 | geo-rge | ohh, the nodes aren't there maybe |
| 18:39.38 | therapy | /dev/hda + /dev/hde are both show only.. they are the raid devices |
| 18:40.07 | geo-rge | ls -l /dev/hdi* |
| 18:40.09 | therapy | i have to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and change /dev/hda to /dev/hdi to get the system to boot |
| 18:40.13 | geo-rge | get anything from that? |
| 18:40.17 | therapy | ls: /dev/hdi*: No such file or directory |
| 18:40.33 | geo-rge | that would be (part of) your problem |
| 18:40.40 | therapy | okay |
| 18:41.13 | geo-rge | sooo... mk those nods! |
| 18:41.19 | therapy | how do i do that? :) |
| 18:41.23 | geo-rge | mknod |
| 18:41.29 | rahul | er |
| 18:41.30 | therapy | i'm no so expericanced as yourself =p |
| 18:41.33 | therapy | not so* |
| 18:41.34 | rahul | better to use makedev :) |
| 18:41.34 | jelly-home | therapy: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV hdi |
| 18:41.50 | therapy | done |
| 18:41.57 | geo-rge | ls -l /dev/hdi* |
| 18:42.02 | geo-rge | get anything from that now? |
| 18:42.07 | yang | Supaplex: after uupdate is done, what comes next? |
| 18:42.08 | therapy | yups |
| 18:42.10 | therapy | and /home is mounted |
| 18:42.18 | therapy | :) |
| 18:42.22 | therapy | do i have todo that on every reboot ? |
| 18:42.24 | geo-rge | mounted already?? how? |
| 18:42.29 | therapy | mount -a |
| 18:42.30 | geo-rge | umm |
| 18:42.33 | geo-rge | ok |
| 18:42.36 | therapy | :o) |
| 18:42.38 | geo-rge | dunno. |
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| 18:42.56 | therapy | when i do `dmesg|grep "hd"` |
| 18:43.04 | therapy | it correctly shows all my drives |
| 18:43.05 | jelly-home | therapy: is this hardware config going to be stable now, no more card switching? |
| 18:43.12 | therapy | yeah |
| 18:43.23 | geo-rge | if you look at the output of mount (no params) does it show anything on /dev? |
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| 18:43.38 | therapy | yeah |
| 18:43.40 | jelly-home | therapy: well, if you've updated fstab and the boot manager, you're all set I guess |
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| 18:44.09 | jelly-home | therapy: I'd do a reboot for good measure |
| 18:44.25 | geo-rge | yeah, at least to test the setup |
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| 18:44.37 | therapy | i think it was caused when i installed debian, there was no ITE821x support |
| 18:44.41 | geo-rge | so what do you see on /dev tho? |
| 18:45.01 | therapy | so it didn't detect my raid cards, so i've just do a clean kernel install from 2.6.11 with the ac7 patch which has ITE821x support |
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| 18:45.21 | jelly-home | therapy: ugh, 2.6.11 is OLD |
| 18:45.32 | therapy | hehe.. if it works it's good :)) |
| 18:45.32 | geo-rge | but it does work... |
| 18:45.50 | therapy | the raid cards are now detected |
| 18:45.58 | therapy | which is all i want :) |
| 18:46.13 | therapy | ok let me reboot |
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| 18:46.20 | geo-rge | anyone know if his raid cards are supported by later linux-image pkgs? |
| 18:46.32 | dvs | geo-rge: Yes, it should |
| 18:46.36 | jelly-home | therapy: is this machine going to be on the internet? I'd update the kernel to 2.6.18.x or something |
| 18:47.09 | therapy | yea i'll have to upgrade |
| 18:47.19 | therapy | just nice to see that it works first hehe |
| 18:47.37 | geo-rge | do you use make-kpkg to build kernels? |
| 18:47.44 | therapy | i didn't this time |
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| 18:47.58 | geo-rge | hmm, you might have cleanup work to do |
| 18:47.59 | therapy | but i have the .deb file which i made last time |
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| 18:48.04 | therapy | what like? |
| 18:48.38 | geo-rge | not sure, different versions -should- stay out of each other's way, but there are lots of files, dunno for sure |
| 18:48.52 | therapy | oke |
| 18:48.59 | therapy | /dev/hdi is still there |
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| 18:49.10 | geo-rge | so you booted? |
| 18:49.10 | therapy | so i didn't have to make it this time, and swap + /home etc.. are all mounted nicely |
| 18:49.16 | therapy | yup.. worked perfect |
| 18:49.26 | geo-rge | ok, good enuf |
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| 18:49.46 | therapy | so if i MAKEDEV for each device i need.. it should all work i'm guessing |
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| 18:49.55 | geo-rge | to go to .18 you'll have to install newer packages meqant to support |
| 18:49.59 | therapy | /dev/hdk + /dev/hdl aren't found yet |
| 18:50.09 | Zemyla | Hey everyone. I seem to be missing an "Xmu" library. Where would I get it? |
| 18:50.15 | zottel | has anyone here compiled festival 1.95 on debian? |
| 18:50.47 | rahul | Zemyla: erm.. shouldn't it come in when you need it? |
| 18:51.01 | geo-rge | therapy, sounds reasonable |
| 18:51.09 | rahul | Zemyla: are you trying to compile something? apt-get build-dep <package> |
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| 18:51.42 | Zemyla | I'm trying to build something that I haven't got through apt-get. |
| 18:51.53 | rahul | Zemyla: same thing. |
| 18:52.04 | geo-rge | whats the something |
| 18:52.09 | rahul | Zemyla: if it's in debian, you'll have the info from the source package |
| 18:52.13 | Zemyla | And it builds fine, but then when I run it, it says "Does not support finding best resolution without Xmu library". |
| 18:52.27 | therapy | geo-rge: thank you much for your time + help :o) |
| 18:52.37 | geo-rge | np :) |
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| 18:53.25 | geo-rge | whats the it |
| 18:53.55 | Zemyla | Coin3D, or possibly SoXt. |
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| 18:54.45 | geo-rge | isn't Xmu motif? |
| 18:55.01 | rahul | geo-rge: no, that's Xm |
| 18:55.13 | rahul | Xmu is some X extension |
| 18:55.17 | Zemyla | I installed lesstif. |
| 18:56.06 | rahul | Description: X Window System miscellaneous utility library |
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| 18:56.35 | geo-rge | that must be in a deb pkg somewhere |
| 18:56.50 | rahul | guess the name :) |
| 18:56.59 | geo-rge | libxmu-dev? |
| 18:57.20 | dvs | !search xmu |
| 18:57.25 | geo-rge | or xlibs-dev? |
| 18:57.46 | geo-rge | seems like it would be close to x base |
| 18:57.48 | zottel | hm, each time i try to "make" speech-tools 2.95.* or festival 1.95.* it ends in an error like this: http://paste.husk.org/7369 |
| 18:58.02 | zottel | erm.... |
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| 18:58.19 | rahul | xlibs is gone |
| 18:58.24 | rahul | split up into specific libs |
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| 18:58.45 | zottel | i mean like this: http://paste.husk.org/7370 |
| 18:58.46 | geo-rge | what;s Keine Berechtigung |
| 18:59.04 | rahul | no solution? |
| 18:59.17 | zottel | that's "no permission" |
| 18:59.19 | Sypher | brb |
| 18:59.20 | zottel | @ geo-rge |
| 18:59.27 | rahul | oh |
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| 18:59.32 | geo-rge | oh, you cannot write in the output dir |
| 18:59.33 | vanP3lt | hi, could anyone tell me why i allways get "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) after i try to recompile the kernel to enable bootsplash. thank you in advance |
| 18:59.49 | geo-rge | but in the second case you need ncurses-dev (not exact name) |
| 19:00.04 | zottel | thx :-D |
| 19:01.06 | geo-rge | vanP3lt: add --initrd to make-kpkg invocation (or compile necessary drivers into kernel) |
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| 19:01.15 | Zemyla | So which library do I need to apt-get to install Xmu? |
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| 19:01.44 | geo-rge | do you have any /usr/lib/libXmu*? |
| 19:02.16 | marinosi | wgere can i find a guide for compiling a kernel in debian way? |
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| 19:02.59 | geo-rge | oh, when you're looking at smokers who aren't smoking currently to lern how not to smoke... only between their smokes tho,,, be careful not to look at them all the time! |
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| 19:03.20 | geo-rge | !kp |
| 19:03.20 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:04.27 | geo-rge | the kp thing is a cute way; you get debian packages |
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| 19:07.57 | Supaplex | yang: where did you download the upstream source from? |
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| 19:09.27 | karsten | mumblemumblemumblemorningmumble. |
| 19:09.41 | Supaplex | morning :) |
| 19:09.47 | Zemyla | /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6 /usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0 |
| 19:09.47 | karsten | Bah! |
| 19:09.56 | dvs | karsten: the correct term is "..." ;-) |
| 19:10.16 | karsten | Bah! |
| 19:10.17 | maasha | say i am staring at the feh man page to figure if feh is able to pick a random file in a dir to display (pick a random wallpaper). but i cant see such a function? |
| 19:10.38 | geo-rge | !find libXmu.so.6.2.0 |
| 19:10.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libXmu.so.6.2.0' (2): (/usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0) in libs/libxmu6 ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libXmu.so.6.2.0) in libdevel/libxmu6-dbg. |
| 19:11.00 | geo-rge | !info libxmu6-dev |
| 19:11.04 | karsten | ProwL: No women of leisure? |
| 19:11.24 | Supaplex | that's what dpkg is for. |
| 19:11.28 | geo-rge | <dpkg> Package 'libxmu6-dev' does not exist. |
| 19:11.36 | Zemyla | But I have the lib. Why is it saying that I don't? |
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| 19:12.06 | geo-rge | Zemyla: you would need the part of the lib to build against |
| 19:12.18 | geo-rge | !find libXmu |
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| 19:12.19 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libXmu' (7): libxmu-dev ;; libxmu-headers ;; libxmu6 ;; libxmu6-dbg ;; libxmuu-dev ;; libxmuu1 ;; libxmuu1-dbg. |
| 19:12.53 | geo-rge | !info libxmu-dev |
| 19:12.59 | dpkg | libxmu-dev: (X11 miscellaneous utility library (development headers)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
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| 19:13.09 | geo-rge | anyway, you can do all that messaging the bot too |
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| 19:13.17 | vanP3lt | thank you for your help. have a good evening |
| 19:13.37 | marinosi | is there any metaport for installing many fonts , so i can init my X? |
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| 19:14.40 | karsten | marinosi: not afaik. |
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| 19:14.49 | marinosi | because i get an error: could not open default font `fixed` |
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| 19:15.29 | jkonami | hey all |
| 19:15.40 | jkonami | how do I get a list of everything that's installed with apt? |
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| 19:16.24 | streuner | man dpkg |
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| 19:16.32 | ProwL | karsten: too early for women of leisure. theyre all still laid up from last night. |
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| 19:17.50 | jkonami | so like dpkg --list * ? |
| 19:17.53 | CazH^ | I have a problem, i have install debian on my box, and when that was done i had som problems with gdm not running proberly because the lack of a driver for my nvidia gfx, after installing the driver i restart gdm and got a login screen, but the charset of my keyboard seamed to have change to russian so I can't enter my username and password since those letters isn't in the russian charset. Now my question is, why did it happen and can and change |
| 19:18.25 | karsten | marinosi: xfonts-base, xfonts-{100,75}dpi, the vesa font packages (ttf-bitstream-vera, ttf-dejavu). |
| 19:18.32 | karsten | ProwL: Heretic! |
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| 19:19.38 | Marco | karsten, it's not the best solution, but when NOT in X, create a user account using only numbers |
| 19:19.42 | Zemyla | Okay, thanks! |
| 19:19.47 | Marco | then login via gdm with that account |
| 19:19.49 | karsten | Marco: ?? |
| 19:19.56 | Marco | wop |
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| 19:20.09 | Marco | *CazH^ |
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| 19:20.19 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 19:20.26 | karsten | CazH^: You've got your locales misconfigured. |
| 19:20.28 | Marco | CazH^, it's not the best solution, but when NOT in X, create a user account using only numbers |
| 19:20.34 | karsten | CazH^: Try a single-user boot. |
| 19:20.36 | Marco | login with that and fix it |
| 19:20.45 | marinosi | karsten, thanks a lot |
| 19:20.58 | CazH^ | how can i do that? x starts with the computer? |
| 19:21.05 | karsten | CazH^: Only in X, or console as well? |
| 19:21.17 | CazH^ | how can I access the console? |
| 19:21.24 | karsten | CazH^: <ctrl><alt><F[1-6]> should give you console. Or start single-user mode at boot. |
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| 19:21.54 | geo-rge | ctrl-alt-F1 then try getting in as root |
| 19:22.36 | Pyeckolha | Hi everyone, I am quite a noob, so I have an abstract question. My problemo is that during my ordinary session, since I like to play around with config files, I am forced to type my damn root pass about 15 times which is exceedingly painful to say the least. So the question is, how to set up everything without this tiresome chore or at least reduce it to minimum? I don't need uber-security |
| 19:22.53 | CazH^ | i'm in as root, how do i change the settings so i can type proberly in X |
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| 19:23.03 | Supaplex | Pyeckolha: sudo? |
| 19:23.15 | rahul | Pyeckolha: open up a terminal and run "su -" and then run the commands from that shell |
| 19:23.19 | Pyeckolha | I still need to type pass |
| 19:23.37 | Pyeckolha | just the other one |
| 19:23.39 | dvs | Pyeckolha: no you don't. You can set it up so you dont have to |
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| 19:23.44 | ProwL | hmm |
| 19:23.51 | Pyeckolha | oh |
| 19:23.57 | Pyeckolha | I didnt knew that |
| 19:24.08 | Pyeckolha | thanks |
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| 19:25.37 | cyzie | hello, previuosly im having grub error 17. i have done this by fixmbr using windows xp recovery disk. but i see no more grub boot loader. anyone can help? |
| 19:25.57 | CazH^ | Marco how do I create a user in the console? |
| 19:26.10 | cyzie | CazH^, adduser <username> |
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| 19:27.06 | abrotman | cyzie: reinstall grub |
| 19:27.16 | abrotman | !grub boot floppy |
| 19:27.22 | cyzie | abrotman, how ? :( no luck for 6hours. |
| 19:27.24 | abrotman | !grub boot disk |
| 19:27.28 | abrotman | ead bot ? |
| 19:27.30 | abrotman | dead? |
| 19:27.33 | cyzie | abrotman, debian on laptop. |
| 19:27.40 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 19:27.40 | dpkg | it has been said that grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
| 19:27.42 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 19:28.23 | cyzie | abrotman, i dont have floppy drive on laptop |
| 19:28.34 | abrotman | get a liveCD of seomthing that uses grub |
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| 19:29.27 | cyzie | abrotman, i have ubuntu live cd. what do i need to do :( |
| 19:29.29 | Supaplex | like debian-live |
| 19:29.43 | abrotman | learn grub |
| 19:29.57 | Supaplex | grub-fu :) |
| 19:30.30 | geo-rge | we've never worked ubuntulivecd, so you should ask #ubuntu about their cd... but -yes-, you have to learn grub and how it sees volumes |
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| 19:33.43 | abrotman | might have better luck in #grub |
| 19:34.08 | MolePrince | Hello. Has anyone else had issues with Etch spontaneously crashing and printing out various arcane lines [registers, core dumps?] without warning? |
| 19:34.43 | CrippsFX | MolePrince, what are the "various arcane lines" ? ... and when does it crash? can you reproduce the results? |
| 19:34.58 | abrotman | CrippsFX: i think he said what they were :) |
| 19:35.02 | abrotman | and that's a kernel crash |
| 19:35.31 | MolePrince | CrippsFX: It just happens after a while of use without any real noticeable cause per se. |
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| 19:35.54 | T0aD | hello everyone, where can I find a list of officials repositories for debian ? (im using ubuntu) |
| 19:35.56 | MolePrince | This is on a brand newly installed fresh Etch system. |
| 19:36.04 | T0aD | btw zehraAa[uyuo] http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 19:36.17 | CrippsFX | hm. Kernel crashes usually occur when the kernel tries to use a broken "feature" in some module ... at least in my experience |
| 19:36.18 | abrotman | !ops T0aD spamming |
| 19:36.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: T0aD spamming |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | oh .. wait |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | !ops zehraAa[uyuo] is actually the spammer |
| 19:36.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: zehraAa[uyuo] is actually the spammer |
| 19:36.50 | T0aD | yeah thanks :) |
| 19:36.52 | RichiH | hmm |
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| 19:37.19 | geo-rge | rule out bad hardware... run memtest86 |
| 19:37.23 | CrippsFX | abrotman, nice recovery ;) |
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| 19:37.31 | Inf3rn0 | How do I compile a .c file? |
| 19:37.34 | abrotman | gcc |
| 19:37.40 | geo-rge | info gcc |
| 19:37.52 | RichiH | abta |
| 19:37.53 | CrippsFX | gosh ... 25 minutes until I board my freaking plane. |
| 19:37.56 | RichiH | abrotman: ta |
| 19:37.57 | abrotman | !beer RichiH |
| 19:38.06 | MolePrince | It seems to have only started happening after one of the major kernel revisions. I ran Etcfh flawlessly for months before an ugprade and it started happening so I moved to Sarge for several months, but I just tried Etch again and it does it still. |
| 19:38.12 | RichiH | lager |
| 19:38.20 | RichiH | pours* |
| 19:38.31 | abrotman | it's not that bad .. it's our local mass produced beer |
| 19:38.37 | T0aD | no repository for me ? :) |
| 19:38.52 | abrotman | !tell T0aD about mirrors |
| 19:39.00 | craigevil | T0aD: its not a good idea to mix Debian and ubuntu |
| 19:39.08 | abrotman | no .. it's a really *bad* idea |
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| 19:39.15 | T0aD | really ? |
| 19:39.20 | craigevil | either use ubuntu or run Debian |
| 19:39.23 | T0aD | I just wanted to try out a openssi |
| 19:39.34 | T0aD | alright alright I ll follow your advises |
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| 19:40.02 | T0aD | ciao, thx |
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| 19:40.55 | CrippsFX | mixing packages between differnt distros is *always* a really *bad* idea. |
| 19:41.08 | rahul | pfft |
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| 19:41.12 | abrotman | oh .. like mixing mandriva and suse packages is bad ... |
| 19:41.31 | rahul | oh, distros, not versions |
| 19:41.33 | CrippsFX | haven't tried that one myself ... but I don't like mandriva. |
| 19:41.40 | ct12am | Wow, filet and shrimp |
| 19:41.47 | ct12am | Back to aptitude man |
| 19:42.01 | CrippsFX | rahul, versions can sometimes get sketchy ... dpends on the cahnges between revs ... but distros ... I haven't had any good experiences. |
| 19:42.16 | ct12am | CrippsFX, don't miss your departure |
| 19:42.23 | rahul | CrippsFX: shrug. aptitude figures it out for me :) |
| 19:42.28 | CrippsFX | ct12am, I'm waiting right by the departure gate |
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| 19:42.33 | maxy | I installed a screwed-up package, pre-removal script returns an error. Is there an easy way to say "continue anyway" or do I have to hack the script? |
| 19:42.33 | ct12am | holy fuck, wifi |
| 19:42.37 | CrippsFX | rahul, yep ... me too :P |
| 19:42.49 | CrippsFX | ct12am, yes'm :P |
| 19:42.57 | ct12am | I'm sitting in North Carolina on ethernet cable |
| 19:43.01 | CrippsFX | I love hotspots .... |
| 19:43.20 | CrippsFX | I also got the chance to help someone fix their unsecured ad-hoc network. |
| 19:43.48 | Eulex | maxy, hack the script; but the easiest way would be to just bypass it by putting an 'exit 0' at the top of it. not the cleanest way, though. |
| 19:43.56 | moshii | CrippsFX: if you go round fixing access points where will i get free internet! |
| 19:44.08 | CrippsFX | moshii, St. John's, Newfoundland |
| 19:44.10 | CrippsFX | :P |
| 19:44.13 | maxy | ok. |
| 19:44.25 | CrippsFX | moshii, but the APs are already fixed up for free internet. |
| 19:44.27 | Supaplex | with a superpass usb wireless device |
| 19:44.45 | moshii | CrippsFX: aircrack fixes most access points.. |
| 19:44.49 | Eulex | maxy, cleanest solution is to debug the script to actually see what's wrong. you should also file a bug against the package. |
| 19:44.53 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, superpass ? |
| 19:45.08 | ct12am | CrippsFX: who do you have to milehighclub to get wifi on domestic flights? |
| 19:45.08 | CrippsFX | moshii, provided they're using wep, yeah. wpa is a little harder. |
| 19:45.12 | maxy | Eulex: the bug was already fixed some hours ago. |
| 19:45.22 | Supaplex | CrippsFX: yea, it's like 28dbi |
| 19:45.38 | CrippsFX | ct12am, haha .... I don't know. But, wireless on aircrafts is prohibited. |
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| 19:45.58 | ct12am | dang, acoustic couple that skyfone dude |
| 19:46.01 | CrippsFX | Supaplex, soo ... that's like, really freaking strong then. Could you receive my signnal from where you are with that? ;) |
| 19:46.20 | Supaplex | it's ~ 2km range |
| 19:46.30 | Supaplex | directional |
| 19:46.36 | Eulex | maxy, oh, ok |
| 19:46.40 | CrippsFX | 2km isn't bad ... you can get twice that with a pringles can though :P |
| 19:47.02 | MolePrince | A biscotti can works a bit better in my experience. |
| 19:47.07 | geo-rge | you mean two cans and a string?! |
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| 19:47.11 | MolePrince | Bit shorter with a wider barrel. |
| 19:47.15 | CrippsFX | hm ... haven't tried the biscotti can |
| 19:47.24 | moshii | I just have a little USB high gain dish thing.. £50, 8dBi |
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| 19:47.30 | ct12am | CrippsFX: before you take your flight, lemme tell you, my "apt problem" from earlier was mainly just me being a novice with dselect, despite using it for years, so I ended up just toughing it out in dselect, but I'm reading up on aptitude |
| 19:47.35 | moshii | works with linux drivers :) |
| 19:48.03 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, yep. because string technically isn't wireless, so, you just hook up a pickup to one can so the computer can read the 1s and 0s, and do the same on the other end. you can make a wireless signal go as far as you want with that ... |
| 19:48.04 | CrippsFX | :P |
| 19:48.42 | CrippsFX | ct12am, heh, even the most seasoned dselect users are novice at it ... it's not meant to be easy to use :P |
| 19:48.45 | ProwL | wth CrippsFX :P |
| 19:48.57 | geo-rge | but how does a pringles can work as an antenna? it has two round metal ends but a cardboard sleeve |
| 19:49.04 | CrippsFX | ProwL, you heard ... er, swa, me ;) |
| 19:49.19 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, the cardboard sleeve is lined with a metallic film. |
| 19:49.28 | geo-rge | oic |
| 19:49.37 | CrippsFX | yep :D |
| 19:49.51 | moshii | it keeps the freshness in |
| 19:50.04 | geo-rge | and the rf out :) |
| 19:50.17 | CrippsFX | you can also make wire mesh antennae, they're better for having a broad semi-directional boost, but they don't go as far. |
| 19:50.21 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, haha. |
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| 19:51.09 | geo-rge | I think you might get better gain by going directional with a multi-element yagi |
| 19:51.12 | CrippsFX | Incubus is an awesome band. |
| 19:51.20 | geo-rge | which you could build from cardboard |
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| 19:51.28 | geo-rge | so's Tribal Tech |
| 19:51.33 | CrippsFX | :P |
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| 19:51.45 | CrippsFX | tribal-tech is good because it's easy. |
| 19:51.49 | ct12am | So's Tribe Called Quest |
| 19:51.52 | ct12am | bing |
| 19:52.06 | CrippsFX | bong |
| 19:52.10 | ct12am | haha |
| 19:52.15 | CrippsFX | :) |
| 19:52.16 | ct12am | now we're talkin kid |
| 19:52.17 | ct12am | BONG |
| 19:52.17 | CrippsFX | !ping |
| 19:52.18 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:52.23 | geo-rge | CrippsFX: you think that stuff is easy to play? damn... who do you play with? Billy Cobham? |
| 19:52.45 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, :P |
| 19:52.52 | ct12am | I'm gettin a b&w mexican strat for xmas from pops |
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| 19:52.56 | ct12am | like his |
| 19:53.02 | CrippsFX | geo-rge, I'm only a guitar master. |
| 19:53.03 | ct12am | never had an electric |
| 19:53.04 | CrippsFX | ;) |
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| 19:53.13 | CrippsFX | I sold my electric years ago. I want it back. |
| 19:53.13 | ct12am | glad guitars came up |
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| 19:53.21 | ct12am | I had an ovation acoustic I sold |
| 19:53.32 | ct12am | wouldn't mind an ovation electric/acoustic |
| 19:53.32 | HyperDevil | can i set the output of a command into a variable ? ls -al >> $output |
| 19:53.39 | CrippsFX | not bad. My acoustic is a cheap POS, cost me $120 new, but it did the job. |
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| 19:54.05 | ct12am | CrippsFX, you play e-guitar? |
| 19:54.08 | blerk | how do i mark a sector in my thats causing problems bad/unusable on a xfs fs? |
| 19:54.13 | CrippsFX | ct12am, e-guitar .... no. |
| 19:54.20 | geo-rge | HyperDevil: output=$(ls -al) |
| 19:54.20 | ct12am | no electric guitar? |
| 19:54.25 | CrippsFX | my bass guitar, on the other hand is a beauty. |
| 19:54.29 | ct12am | Ah I see |
| 19:54.41 | CrippsFX | oh. electric ... I used to. I still fool around with it once in awhile. |
| 19:54.54 | cyzie | hello, when i apt-get for new kernel, i remembered 2 files need to apt-get . 1 is linux-image-2.6.x but i cant recall the other 1. anyone got any idea? |
| 19:55.00 | CrippsFX | my bass is a 4 string fretless piece of wonder. |
| 19:55.23 | CrippsFX | I dunno ... Jimi's good ... but SRV man ... it's all about SRV ;) |
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| 19:55.35 | geo-rge | I play a fretless 5 |
| 19:55.38 | ct12am | so...Cripps, you fret to the neck itself to crimp notes? |
| 19:55.39 | CrippsFX | okay ... my flight's about to board, so I should head out now. |
| 19:55.41 | CrippsFX | nice. |
| 19:55.41 | ct12am | I mean chords? |
| 19:55.52 | karsten | CrippsFX: My bass is striped. |
| 19:56.00 | blerk | so is this #debian or #idols? |
| 19:56.05 | CrippsFX | ct12am, I'll answer next time I'm on. |
| 19:56.07 | CrippsFX | ciao all! |
| 19:56.07 | ct12am | blerktalk2200 |
| 19:56.16 | ct12am | woah |
| 19:56.18 | ct12am | ha |
| 19:56.21 | ct12am | sup blerk |
| 19:56.49 | blerk | all my boxes ;) |
| 19:56.57 | ct12am | awesome |
| 19:56.59 | cyzie | abrotman, i have ubuntu live cd. what do i need to do :( |
| 19:57.03 | cyzie | hello, when i apt-get for new kernel, i remembered 2 files need to apt-get . 1 is linux-image-2.6.x but i cant recall the other 1. anyone got any idea? |
| 19:57.07 | geo-rge | are berlong to you? |
| 19:57.07 | abrotman | learn grub to do it |
| 19:57.16 | ct12am | blerk: will you humor me and listen to my box specs? both of them? |
| 19:57.29 | geo-rge | cyzie: for what purpose? |
| 19:57.55 | ct12am | blerk: SPARCstation IPC with OpenBSD and this 800MHz PC |
| 19:58.11 | ct12am | All else is broken or at other people's houses. |
| 19:58.19 | ct12am | Turned off, ha |
| 19:58.36 | ct12am | SPARC is booting up now. ok I chat less now. |
| 19:58.49 | geo-rge | cyzie: start with that, if it needs more packages, it should download them |
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| 19:59.35 | MolePrince | Does the utility in the Debian Installer to locate an ISO on a hard disk work if it is on an USB stick by chance? |
| 20:00.56 | cast | maybe, the installer found my usb drive |
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| 20:02.01 | MolePrince | So I could in theory boot off of the floppy Debian Installer boot disc, locate a CD ISO on an USB stick and then use that ISO then as the installer? [if I understand the purpose of that function in the Debian Installer correctly]. |
| 20:02.05 | Mooi | Hello, what is the best way to compress as much a video when using mencoder? I want to convert a .avi to a decent quality .avi or .mp4 . Any ideas?:) |
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| 20:02.37 | geo-rge | MolePrince: might |
| 20:03.12 | geo-rge | MolePrince: in theory you could boot off the stick |
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| 20:03.44 | MolePrince | geo-rge: Unfortunately my BIOS [old toughbook cf-27 pII-300] doesn't support booting off USB, hence the kludge. |
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| 20:05.36 | vlt | Hello. How to read out the UUID of a file system (reiserfs)? |
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| 20:07.42 | xingu | vlt: /lib/udev/vol_id ? |
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| 20:09.55 | vlt | xingu: Yes. Thank you again. |
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| 20:18.29 | archpollux | hi |
| 20:18.40 | archpollux | anyone knows how to make tshark update the capture file in real time? |
| 20:19.59 | CazH^ | why does the debian login screen take my keyboard as beeing a russian keyboard, even after i have login thru the console change the keyboard to a danish keyboard? |
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| 20:46.44 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to know if I am connect to my acces point? without configuring the ip/netmask only putting the key, what is the way? |
| 20:46.47 | Piper69 | good afternoon room |
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| 20:47.00 | Piper69 | ruben: ifconfig |
| 20:47.01 | pumpkin0 | ruben: iwconfig |
| 20:47.05 | mijenix | hi |
| 20:47.16 | mijenix | is there any special debian-arm or nslu2 channel? |
| 20:47.20 | pumpkin0 | ruben: (iWconfig for wireless, iFconfig for wired) |
| 20:47.36 | ruben | wiche field tells me if I am connected? |
| 20:47.42 | rvsjoen | signal |
| 20:47.46 | Piper69 | pumpkin0: i am conected right now to my wireless thru ifconfig |
| 20:48.00 | ruben | signal? nice, thanks :) |
| 20:48.16 | rvsjoen | or is it called link quality ? |
| 20:48.19 | rvsjoen | I dont remember |
| 20:48.35 | Piper69 | ruben: try "ping yahoo.com" if you get reply then you are connected if network is not reachable then we got a problem |
| 20:48.48 | pumpkin0 | Piper69: yes, since you have setup a IP or put in DHCP. You get a status report from iwconfig even if there is not network configured. |
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| 20:49.06 | ruben | yes yes, but I want to known only if I put the correct key to the access point without configuring the network |
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| 20:49.28 | ruben | so only, if I am connect and after 'configuring the net' |
| 20:49.40 | zamuro | Buenas |
| 20:49.43 | rvsjoen | example :) "Link quality:92/100" |
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| 20:50.07 | pumpkin0 | ruben: "Rx invalid crypt:0" |
| 20:50.08 | rvsjoen | and the mac address of the access point will probably give it away |
| 20:50.15 | Piper69 | pumpkin0: so you think my connection is not right now? |
| 20:50.27 | ugly | I have an external USB drive connected to my debian box. After a certain period of time, it stops responding. I see messages like "scsi 2:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device" in 'dmesg.' However, if I pull the USB cable and reconnect/remount, it works just fine. Why is this happening? |
| 20:50.58 | CazH^ | why does the debian login screen take my keyboard as beeing a russian keyboard, even after i have login thru the console change the keyboard to a danish keyboard? |
| 20:51.01 | rahul | ooooooglieeeeeeee |
| 20:51.08 | ugly | I did not experience frequent timeouts when it was hooked up to a laptop (also running etch with udev and kernel 2.6.18) |
| 20:51.10 | mijenix | ugly: is it a usb hd |
| 20:51.13 | pumpkin0 | Piper69: i think you have a networkconnection AND a wirelessconnection. These are 2 different layers. |
| 20:51.18 | ugly | mijenix: yea |
| 20:51.26 | ugly | mijenix: that is, it's an IDE drive in a USB enclsure |
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| 20:51.30 | ugly | enclosure* |
| 20:51.38 | pumpkin0 | ugly: running hot ? |
| 20:51.51 | ugly | pumpkin0: a bit |
| 20:52.04 | mijenix | ugly: maybe the drive goes into a sleep mode after some idle time |
| 20:52.14 | pumpkin0 | ugly: so you can still touch the box ? And the drive is still spinning ? |
| 20:52.22 | ugly | mijenix: but it wasn't sleeping - I was playing mp3s off the drive when it timed out |
| 20:52.24 | Piper69 | pumpkin0: but on my laptop i don't have wired i amd using a pcmcia card |
| 20:52.40 | ugly | pumpkin0: yes to both |
| 20:53.02 | mijenix | ugly: hmm |
| 20:53.38 | ruben | pumpkin0: so, if I use iwconfig and I get 'invalid crypt', this want say that i am connect to that AP? sorry my english |
| 20:53.39 | Piper69 | pumpkin0: i have to config interfaces manually every time i change the settings |
| 20:53.49 | rahul | ugly: tried different kernel versions? |
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| 20:54.00 | ugly | luhar!! |
| 20:54.02 | ugly | :P |
| 20:54.09 | ugly | rahul: I haven't |
| 20:54.10 | rahul | ylgu!!!!! |
| 20:54.17 | wuman | hi somebody knows http://arstechnica.com ? i just want to know if its a safe site i mean if the article is trye |
| 20:54.19 | wuman | true* |
| 20:54.25 | Piper69 | ruben: do you know the key or no? |
| 20:54.26 | rahul | wuman: it's good. |
| 20:54.28 | pumpkin0 | Piper69: again: there is a link-layer for wireless (handels stufff like encrypting and AP-hopping) and there is the networklayer (which works on top of the wireless layer). If he does not have an IP configured the only layer up is the wireless-layer (which does not show in iFconfig) |
| 20:54.41 | wuman | rahul you know arstechnica from a while? |
| 20:54.48 | rahul | ylgu: try the same kernel you used when it worked |
| 20:54.49 | rahul | wuman: yes |
| 20:54.59 | rahul | wuman: been reading it for about 7 years. |
| 20:55.09 | ugly | rahul: looks like 2.6.18 is the only available debian kernel for amd64 though - I'd rather not bother compiling my own |
| 20:55.09 | wuman | rahul do you know some other website like that please |
| 20:55.10 | ruben | Piper69: yes, one is open and the other has a 64 bits keys, I am testing the new devices |
| 20:55.19 | ugly | but I may to test, I suppose |
| 20:55.29 | rahul | wuman: anandtech, aceshardware, storagereview |
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| 20:55.36 | rahul | ylgu: you zoof. |
| 20:55.37 | wuman | rahul thanks a lot |
| 20:55.48 | ugly | rahul: has fooz been around? |
| 20:55.56 | rahul | ylgu: haven't seen him |
| 20:56.13 | rahul | but I've only been back on irc for a couple weeks |
| 20:56.13 | ruben | pumpkin0: so, what is the way to know if the 'wireless-layer' is ok? :) |
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| 20:56.18 | ugly | rahul: what have you been doing the past few years? :P |
| 20:56.33 | rahul | ylgu: working as a lame-ass java programmer |
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| 20:56.39 | ugly | heh |
| 20:56.40 | rahul | ylgu: and having a social life |
| 20:56.46 | ugly | eww |
| 20:56.52 | rahul | speaking of which... gotta go in an hour |
| 20:56.55 | pumpkin0 | ruben: iwconfig. search for the MAC or the "invalid crypt" |
| 20:56.57 | rahul | hot chix0rs. |
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| 20:57.16 | ugly | does it turn them on when you call them chix0rs? |
| 20:57.17 | rahul | I got 2 girls after me tonight :) |
| 20:57.20 | rahul | haha |
| 20:57.31 | rahul | both friends and lead singers in different bands |
| 20:57.38 | ruben | pumpkin0: thanks :) |
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| 20:57.53 | ruben | thanks alot! |
| 20:58.32 | raz0 | If I install rails via rubygems (installed from apt), am I not supposed to be able to just type 'rails xyz'? |
| 21:00.48 | rahul | ylgu: http://myspace-753.vo.llnwd.net/01291/35/76/1291956753_l.jpg |
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| 21:01.38 | rahul | ylgu: http://myspace-261.vo.llnwd.net/01210/16/25/1210995261_l.jpg |
| 21:02.03 | ugly | rahul: jewish? |
| 21:02.18 | rahul | ylgu: don't think so. she's from ohio |
| 21:02.20 | ugly | the second one |
| 21:02.21 | ugly | heh |
| 21:02.24 | rahul | oh, she's romanian |
| 21:02.43 | ugly | ah |
| 21:02.55 | ct12am | Wish I had X |
| 21:03.18 | rahul | you can view pr0n in fbcon |
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| 21:03.42 | ct12am | yeah, but X is churning it's way into my hd as we speak anyyhow |
| 21:03.47 | rahul | heh |
| 21:03.50 | ct12am | typin like I'm jerkin off |
| 21:04.24 | ct12am | I've never heard of fbcon, it's a CL image viewer? |
| 21:04.38 | rahul | framebuffer console |
| 21:04.40 | ct12am | cool |
| 21:04.47 | rahul | fbi is a good image viewer for fb |
| 21:04.52 | ct12am | ah |
| 21:05.01 | ct12am | I used to use somethin in DOS |
| 21:05.25 | ct12am | I miss my HP200LX |
| 21:05.30 | ct12am | I eBayed it last month |
| 21:05.38 | pumpkin0 | ct12am: or svncviewer + a vncserver. That's X for the very small HDs. |
| 21:06.10 | ct12am | pumpkin0: thx, maybe that'd run on a SPARC IPC with OpenBSD? |
| 21:06.35 | ct12am | not to get ot |
| 21:07.06 | pumpkin0 | ct12am: it should, but i never had to do/test it. |
| 21:07.14 | ct12am | I'm on Debian 800MHz tho now |
| 21:07.21 | ct12am | gigs of hd |
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| 21:07.41 | ct12am | livin large |
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| 21:09.53 | brag | o.o |
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| 21:10.15 | brag | panthera: |
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| 21:11.42 | ugly | hmm, opened the HD enclosure - the sides of the HD are too hot to touch - guess that's the cause of timeouts? |
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| 21:12.44 | pumpkin0 | ugly: yes. put it back into a PC (via IDE, not USB) and check the smartvalues. |
| 21:13.06 | ugly | to see if it's gonna die? :D |
| 21:13.11 | myso | hello :) in order to install wine i need to update my video card drivers, and in order to run the video card driver installer i need to recompile my kernel because apperently the falvor i'm using does it with an old version of gcc. i figured all i had to do was #cd /usr/src/linux #make clean #make && make dep #make isntall. but it turns out there is no /usr/src/linux... is this a debian thing or specific to my flavor? (eLive) |
| 21:13.13 | pumpkin0 | ugly: right. |
| 21:13.40 | pumpkin0 | myso: do you run stable/sarge or etch/testing ? |
| 21:14.22 | myso | puddingpimp, etch |
| 21:14.42 | myso | pumpkin0, eth * |
| 21:14.45 | myso | etch |
| 21:14.50 | pumpkin0 | myso: which wine do you want to install ? |
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| 21:14.58 | pumpkin0 | which wine version ? |
| 21:15.20 | myso | pumpkin0, latest wine-0.9.27 |
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| 21:17.00 | sybec | Hello. I'm using an up-to-date Debian SID system. I recently did an NMAP scan on localhost; and the TCP Sequence Prediction "Difficulty" seems to be quite low: 201. The "IPID Sequence Generation" seems to be "All zeros". I just want to know: #1. Does(should) this happen on all up-to-date debian sid systems? #2. can the difficulty be increased, IPID sequence generation "truely random"? |
| 21:17.11 | pumpkin0 | myso: OK, so you try to install a wine-version etch does not have onto a debian-flavor that is not supported on this channel. Are you sure about the new videodriver ? |
| 21:17.43 | pumpkin0 | sybec: it's SID. If you want a secure system go sarge. |
| 21:18.00 | myso | pumpkin0, im not asking for support on all that, just asking for support on where to do my make clean on the kernel :) |
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| 21:18.28 | myso | pumpkin0, and yes #wineHQ seems to think its my vid drivers, as its not compiling with opengl suport |
| 21:18.34 | pumpkin0 | !kp |
| 21:18.34 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 21:18.47 | sybec | pumpkin0: Well that's all fine and dandy, if that is "normal behaviour" [i.e. on all sid boxes]; but if it's something that's happening only on *my* computer.. then I have a problem |
| 21:18.52 | pumpkin0 | myso: and you need to install debian-kernel before. |
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| 21:19.43 | pumpkin0 | sybec: give me the nmap command-line you used and i will testdrive it against an sid install here. |
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| 21:20.20 | myso | pumpkin0, sorry for my incredible newness to this, but my repositories dont have a package called "debian-kernel" is there some documentation you can point me to? |
| 21:21.11 | sybec | nmap -A -O -vv 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:21.25 | pumpkin0 | myso: it's called linux-source, the current one for etch is: http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 21:22.01 | myso | pumpkin0, thank you |
| 21:22.15 | pumpkin0 | sybec: same thing here. |
| 21:22.49 | sybec | Great, that's all I needed to know. Thanks! |
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| 21:23.39 | sybec | Erh.. actually.. do you happen to know how this can be changed? I'm not afraid of custom [configured] kernels, [or even modifying sources if necessery] |
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| 21:25.43 | pumpkin0 | sybec: i guess it is a bit more complex: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17109 |
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| 21:26.54 | Callahad | I have a partition full of FLACs and Vorbis files. I didn't see anything in the FHS. Where *should* I be mounting it? |
| 21:27.17 | rahul | Callahad: the FHS is for distributors |
| 21:27.26 | rahul | it so the users of the distro can find the files they need |
| 21:27.47 | rahul | Callahad: I have mine in /home/music |
| 21:27.55 | valdyn | Callahad: /mnt or /customname |
| 21:28.16 | Callahad | rahul: I'd like to think that there's a "proper" location for things like this :) Alternative question: Where do people store multimedia? |
| 21:28.27 | Callahad | rahul, valdyn: thanks for the suggestions :) |
| 21:28.27 | valdyn | Callahad: /mnt/media |
| 21:28.36 | sybec | thanks |
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| 21:28.42 | rahul | /dev/pron |
| 21:28.45 | sybec | good luck |
| 21:28.50 | valdyn | Callahad: only thing matters for something like this is that it works for _you_ |
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| 21:37.13 | redrain | Hi, I have a directory includes thousands of files. When I try to use chmod it gives: bash: /bin/chmod: Argument list too long. Is there a way to change all files permissions? |
| 21:37.25 | pumpkin0 | redrain: chmod -R dirname |
| 21:38.44 | magyar | does soundblaster x-fi supported in debian? |
| 21:38.46 | redrain | pumpkin0: Thanks |
| 21:39.04 | rahul | magyar: www.alsa-project.org |
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| 21:44.46 | fandango512 | fedora |
| 21:45.47 | unlink | how do i make a fake hard drive image that i can partition as a regular file? |
| 21:46.12 | pumpkin0 | unlink: you want a loop-device ? |
| 21:46.45 | unlink | sort of. |
| 21:47.04 | unlink | i want a whole hard drive image with 2 partitions that i can later dd to a real device |
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| 21:47.10 | unlink | (and a boot sector) |
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| 21:48.10 | Stevie-O | you can use fdisk to form a regular file. And there's a loop-device patch that lets it support partitions (why it's not mainstream yet, I don't know) |
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| 21:48.43 | unlink | i plan on installing under qemu |
| 21:49.38 | unlink | fdisk works nicely, it seems |
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| 21:50.44 | william_s1 | hello, I want to buy an Imac or a mac mini. Anyone here uses Debian on a Mac ? |
| 21:50.53 | blondie | !anyone |
| 21:50.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 21:51.25 | unlink | try #debianppc |
| 21:51.35 | william_s1 | thanks unlink |
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| 21:52.26 | blondie | unlink: macs aren't ppc based anymore. |
| 21:52.55 | unlink | oh, you're right. |
| 21:53.04 | Guerin | mactards still hang out in #debianppc |
| 21:53.17 | unlink | i guess i just i assume if you want to buy a mac, it's for the PPC hardware |
| 21:55.53 | myso | unlink, or osx |
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| 21:57.38 | unlink | myso: probably not if you're asking #debian for mac advice. |
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| 21:59.35 | admin__ | whats a program so I can have all my websites i visit encrypted or something, so no one on other end knows what i'm looking at |
| 21:59.42 | limpio | hi all, the site for my sources.list cannot find the apps (404) to upgrade to sid, can someone give me the 2 lines for sid in debian.org or any other fast one in the US? |
| 21:59.42 | admin__ | possibly something like Tor? |
| 22:00.10 | myso | unlink, probobly, but i'd buy one to dualboot, i like osx |
| 22:00.30 | pingouin | admin__: use privoxy+tor |
| 22:00.57 | admin__ | ok |
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| 22:01.27 | unlink | damn, the debian installer is brilliant. |
| 22:01.46 | pingouin | admin__: but it's more anonymiser stuffs, the web site you visit dont know you're real ip and you can hide stuff from them with privoxy, no crypt tools |
| 22:02.03 | admin__ | well, I just wouldnt want my isp to know the sites |
| 22:02.27 | unlink | what's a good filesystem for NVRAM media? |
| 22:02.46 | unlink | out of what the debian installer offers |
| 22:03.06 | rahul | cramfs |
| 22:03.20 | unlink | debian installer doesn't offer it |
| 22:03.22 | pumpkin0 | unlink: rw or ro ? |
| 22:03.25 | unlink | ro |
| 22:03.32 | unlink | well, i need to install to it |
| 22:03.35 | rahul | just use fat :P |
| 22:03.41 | pumpkin0 | unlink: that is rw. |
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| 22:03.54 | unlink | what is ro? |
| 22:04.01 | unlink | *rw |
| 22:04.02 | rahul | read-only |
| 22:04.06 | rahul | read-write |
| 22:04.10 | unlink | .17:03. pumpkin0 - unlink: that is rw. |
| 22:04.22 | unlink | i know what they stand for :p |
| 22:04.25 | rahul | if you are installing to it, it's rw |
| 22:04.27 | pumpkin0 | unlink: if you want to install onto it => rw. |
| 22:04.41 | unlink | yes, the point is it needs to be rw, but it will eventually be mounted ro |
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| 22:05.10 | pumpkin0 | unlink: (guess why cramfs does not work. It is always ro) |
| 22:05.17 | unlink | yes, i've used cramfs |
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| 22:05.48 | pumpkin0 | unlink: install onto something else and create a cramfs-image afterwards ? |
| 22:06.03 | unlink | yeah, that will work |
| 22:06.04 | unlink | i |
| 22:06.20 | unlink | it's installing on QEMU now in ram. |
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| 22:17.49 | ttf | hi all - how can I find out all the rdepends of a package - I guess `apt-cache rdepends <PACKAGE>` only show me the rdepends on installed packages |
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| 22:19.59 | valdyn | ttf: you guessed wrong |
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| 22:20.16 | rahul | ttf: use aptitude |
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| 22:21.53 | Azio | hey guys, im currently working with creating my own initramfs initrd-image under the 2.6.19-rc3 backport. I've had this working in the past, to get around the lack of devfs in later kernels, I'm using UDEV, and RAID, and I'm having some problems getting the initramfs to work, I'm installing the .deb without an initrd and then adding my own generated by initramfs-tools, is this the correct way to do this? |
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| 22:22.57 | Azio | Im told the "archive folder" is empty and ready to be supported in all new kernels for the new initramfstools native support... |
| 22:23.28 | Azio | So theoretically I should just be able to generate a new initramfs and add the line to grub right? and off I'd go |
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| 22:23.45 | Azio | a ny help would be greatly appreciated |
| 22:25.06 | ttf | thank you, bye |
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| 22:26.03 | ct12am | No one has been kickbanned from a channel in four years on IRC. I just heard this on CNN |
| 22:26.35 | ct12am | Is my 802.11 pci card gonna work in Debian or should I just not try? |
| 22:26.45 | amphi | ct12am: depends what card |
| 22:26.47 | beans | i like this channel |
| 22:26.56 | ct12am | I think Linksys? |
| 22:26.59 | valdyn | ct12am: how should we know? |
| 22:27.06 | ct12am | valdyn: smarts |
| 22:27.07 | amphi | !wireless |
| 22:27.07 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 22:27.10 | beans | you ask a question and people know theres never any bullshit here with being kicked etc |
| 22:27.10 | valdyn | ct12am: tell us the chipset |
| 22:27.11 | karsten | beans: We can fix that. |
| 22:27.22 | beans | karsten I'm ok :) |
| 22:27.22 | ct12am | pciprobe or someshit? wassit called? |
| 22:27.28 | amphi | ct12am: they talk of irc on cnn? |
| 22:27.33 | amphi | ct12am: lspci |
| 22:27.38 | ct12am | amphi: I was fishing for friends |
| 22:27.44 | ct12am | with that kickban comment |
| 22:27.59 | beans | oh |
| 22:28.10 | beans | but its always so peaceful in here |
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| 22:28.15 | rahul | it is? |
| 22:28.17 | ct12am | If I had a channel I'd op myself |
| 22:28.18 | rahul | wtf |
| 22:28.25 | amphi | ct12am: I thought perhaps McCain was campaigning for irc to made a felony |
| 22:28.29 | ct12am | ha ha |
| 22:28.36 | ct12am | If they did that I'd use AIM |
| 22:28.46 | ct12am | Or then only criminals would use IRC |
| 22:28.49 | amphi | !aolify ct12am |
| 22:29.06 | ct12am | dpkg has never been nice to me! why should it start now! |
| 22:29.17 | rahul | !penixstrike ct12am |
| 22:29.17 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ct12am to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:29.26 | ct12am | fuck |
| 22:29.31 | ct12am | wtf is a Penix |
| 22:29.34 | ct12am | oh shit |
| 22:29.36 | rahul | heh |
| 22:29.40 | ct12am | A penis? |
| 22:29.41 | ct12am | woah |
| 22:29.45 | beans | lol. |
| 22:29.46 | rahul | no, not quite |
| 22:29.48 | amphi | rahul: that's a nice old one ;) |
| 22:29.51 | rahul | penix is well... hmm |
| 22:29.55 | rahul | he's a penix |
| 22:29.55 | ct12am | I'm e-crippled now? |
| 22:30.02 | amphi | gone from us? ;) |
| 22:30.04 | rahul | amphi: it's my baby |
| 22:30.10 | rahul | I miss penix |
| 22:30.42 | ct12am | I don't google things, that's what brought me here, so I'll never know what Penix is |
| 22:31.01 | ct12am | I altavista.digital shit |
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| 22:31.17 | amphi | ct12am: I always assumed, with little evidence, admittedly, that penix was a small edible biped |
| 22:31.23 | ct12am | woah |
| 22:31.35 | karsten | amphi: Monoped. |
| 22:31.42 | amphi | heh |
| 22:31.54 | ct12am | anyone who says kthx is predator I run from |
| 22:32.04 | ct12am | very scary people with very terse time |
| 22:32.15 | ct12am | gnarly computer users |
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| 22:33.02 | ct12am | I drive an Accord |
| 22:33.20 | ct12am | grandma's |
| 22:33.27 | ct12am | ha |
| 22:33.30 | blondie | ct12am: orly |
| 22:33.38 | ct12am | fuck |
| 22:33.41 | ct12am | wtf is orly |
| 22:33.49 | ct12am | god I shoulda stayed online throughout college |
| 22:33.52 | karsten | ct12am: Paris airport |
| 22:33.55 | amphi | ct12am: an airport in paris |
| 22:33.55 | ct12am | oh |
| 22:33.59 | amphi | heh |
| 22:34.01 | ct12am | wtf |
| 22:34.05 | Shadowcat | ...... |
| 22:34.06 | ct12am | This is a good convo |
| 22:34.17 | rahul | heh |
| 22:34.23 | ct12am | uh oh y'all |
| 22:34.25 | Shadowcat | ct12am stop using abreviations from 1990s dalnet |
| 22:34.28 | Shadowcat | it makes you look lame |
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| 22:34.47 | blondie | ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:34.49 | ct12am | I was using convo cuz I heard it in the QTip song Vivrant Thing you fuck |
| 22:34.51 | ct12am | apologies |
| 22:34.59 | karsten | ct12am: Mind your manners. |
| 22:35.01 | Shadowcat | and stop swearing as well |
| 22:35.02 | karsten | Shadowcat: Likewise. |
| 22:35.03 | ct12am | k |
| 22:35.11 | Shadowcat | that ALSO belongs on dalnet |
| 22:35.16 | ct12am | ha, certainly |
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| 22:35.32 | karsten | Shadowcat: Dude, chill. |
| 22:35.37 | rahul | heh |
| 22:35.43 | rahul | is this lamer hour? |
| 22:35.50 | karsten | Azio: Get any responses? |
| 22:35.58 | Shadowcat | you've known me long enough to figure out when I'm boiling over |
| 22:36.00 | beans | lol |
| 22:36.01 | amphi | the sabbath approaches... |
| 22:36.05 | Shadowcat | THIS is definately NOT one of those times |
| 22:36.05 | Shadowcat | or stew would wake up |
| 22:36.25 | ct12am | I've just gotten xorg installed, it's on now |
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| 22:36.38 | Shadowcat | ya, if detch gets released during chistmas break |
| 22:36.40 | gravity | yay! |
| 22:36.45 | Shadowcat | etch* |
| 22:36.51 | karsten | gravity: Oi, dude. |
| 22:36.56 | gravity | karsten: Yo |
| 22:36.59 | Shadowcat | we're gonna have a party in here (not the good kind) |
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| 22:37.05 | rahul | sten |
| 22:37.11 | amphi | ct12am: on sarge? |
| 22:37.16 | ct12am | uname -a? |
| 22:37.34 | rahul | heh :\ |
| 22:37.34 | gravity | Nothing more until we've moved our repos hopefully |
| 22:37.48 | ct12am | I can't remember how to find out if I'm on sarge or woody |
| 22:38.02 | karsten | Which Postgres is Etch getting? 8.1 or 8.2? |
| 22:38.14 | pumpkin0 | ct12am: /etc/debian_version ? |
| 22:38.17 | karsten | ct12am: /etc/apt/sources.list module apt preferences and pinning. |
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| 22:38.22 | karsten | pumpkin0: Not strictly reliable. |
| 22:38.26 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 22:38.34 | beans | anyone hear know about the steam situation and can start thier server up successfully? |
| 22:38.37 | amphi | ct12am: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:38.39 | beans | here* |
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| 22:38.56 | rahul | eew |
| 22:39.03 | Shadowcat | yes I'm evil |
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| 22:39.26 | karsten | Shadowcat: I'm hard-up enough that that _might_ actually be tempting. |
| 22:39.27 | ct12am | debian_version 4.0? |
| 22:39.37 | ct12am | didn't understand preference and pinning msg |
| 22:39.46 | amphi | ct12am: etch aka testing |
| 22:39.48 | Shadowcat | karsten: ok me making you look at them is me being evil, you wanting to look at them, now that's just sick |
| 22:40.04 | karsten | ct12am: You can set preferences to dictate which release(s) you're actually pulling packages from. |
| 22:40.08 | karsten | !tell ct12am about pinning |
| 22:40.19 | karsten | Shadowcat: And your point is? |
| 22:40.29 | ct12am | thank you all |
| 22:40.39 | Shadowcat | that we should make you look at all the over 50's porn flicks if you can tolerate nude Britney |
| 22:40.42 | Shadowcat | just to torture you |
| 22:40.45 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 22:40.52 | blue__ | Is there a way to turn off the screen buffer save/restore when using less with xterm? |
| 22:40.55 | rahul | karsten: http://myspace-753.vo.llnwd.net/01291/35/76/1291956753_l.jpg |
| 22:40.57 | rahul | karsten: http://myspace-261.vo.llnwd.net/01210/16/25/1210995261_l.jpg |
| 22:41.02 | karsten | blue__: Yeah, sec. |
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| 22:41.21 | sandman | Is there a good tool for Debian that checks security things? |
| 22:41.27 | sandman | Heh, wow that sounded dumb. |
| 22:41.33 | karsten | blue__: export LESS='-X' in ~/.bashrc |
| 22:41.43 | ct12am | short is good sandman |
| 22:41.43 | sandman | "security things" |
| 22:41.45 | karsten | blue__: ... then exec bash. should fix it. |
| 22:41.51 | blue__ | karsten: Thanks a bunch... |
| 22:41.57 | karsten | sandman: Several. |
| 22:42.01 | karsten | bbiam. |
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| 22:45.16 | karsten | sandman: "apt-cache search vulnerability scan" should turn something up. |
| 22:46.05 | karsten | sandman: checksecurity debsecan raccess rats tiger |
| 22:46.06 | ct12am | does ubuntu boot up quicker stock than the latest debian stable? if someone had to venture a guess? |
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| 22:46.27 | rahul | ct12am: booting up is YOUR choice |
| 22:46.31 | karsten | ct12am: That really depends on what you mean by "boot up" and what you've installed. |
| 22:46.34 | ct12am | stock tho |
| 22:46.35 | rahul | ct12am: install daemons you want. |
| 22:46.42 | rahul | ct12am: debian has no stock install |
| 22:46.44 | ct12am | nm, I see |
| 22:46.52 | rahul | you can install basically nothing on a debian box if you like |
| 22:46.55 | karsten | ct12am: Stock I'd suspect Debian, because there's virtually nothing installed. |
| 22:46.58 | ct12am | I used debian for a few days |
| 22:47.00 | ct12am | I mean |
| 22:47.01 | ct12am | ubunut |
| 22:47.14 | karsten | ct12am: Ubuntu has a tweaked init IIRC. Or is it xinetd. I forget. |
| 22:47.27 | iturk | hi there i have downloaded a "windows decorations" for KDE how can i install it ?? |
| 22:47.29 | Gnurdux | they wrote a new init system |
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| 22:47.48 | Gnurdux | karsten: for the latest ubuntu, they wrtoe a sysvinit replacement |
| 22:47.58 | ct12am | I used Slack years back then went to Debian on my Vaio 505tr and was like "woah, debian" |
| 22:47.59 | karsten | Gnurdux: OK, thought I recalled that. |
| 22:48.14 | Gnurdux | its supposed to increase performance, but it worsens it, at least according to my ubuntu-using friend |
| 22:48.17 | iturk | by the way i already untar it i get only one file and no readme about how to install |
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| 22:48.24 | karsten | sandman: a.so john, logcheck, tripwire, aide, if you're interested. |
| 22:48.56 | karsten | sandman: Not all of those are necessary, some are better/worse than others, some are good if you want a truly hardened system but are also a massive PITA to deal with. Tripwire in particular. |
| 22:49.04 | karsten | sandman: s/a\.so/also/ |
| 22:49.25 | karsten | iturk: Bitch to the upstream. Or read your KDE docs on theme installation. |
| 22:49.32 | karsten | iturk: also: #kde |
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| 22:51.06 | enouf | iturk: kmenu > k control center |
| 22:53.41 | ct12am | what package gives me XConfigure or ConfigureX or whatever program to set up X? |
| 22:54.02 | ct12am | I need to make a new xorg.conf |
| 22:54.23 | enouf | !tell ct12am about drxx |
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| 22:55.08 | ct12am | damn enouf, I'd paypal you if I were rich |
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| 23:01.03 | smda | hey folks. I'm looking for a deb repo with apache2 mod-php version 5.1.6 to downgrade 5.2? |
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| 23:03.55 | matholio | any news on an Etch release date ? |
| 23:03.58 | pickcoder | has anyone installed firefox in wine? |
| 23:04.05 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: why ? |
| 23:04.14 | pumpkin0 | matholio: etch is in freze. |
| 23:04.19 | pickcoder | pumpkin0: trying to get shockwave worknig |
| 23:05.28 | matholio | I know it will be ready when it's ready, and I support the approach, but I want to build some systems for production and I want to know if it's worth waiting for Etch, or go with Stable. |
| 23:05.59 | pstickne | hello. I'm looking for a good hex editor; it needs to be able to export regions out, be able to jump to offsets and search, show basic types (long/short) as well as the basic search |
| 23:06.05 | pumpkin0 | matholio: i would use the current etch. |
| 23:06.07 | pickcoder | matholio: review the RC bugs |
| 23:06.15 | unlink | pstickne: vim |
| 23:06.17 | pstickne | I'm using khexedit but that is a pita to get region out |
| 23:06.23 | pstickne | unlink, any mode for it? |
| 23:06.28 | pickcoder | matholio: if you don't see anything that will hinder your setup then go for Etch |
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| 23:06.34 | shuvalin_a_q | Laynnnnnnnnn |
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| 23:06.41 | matholio | pickcoder, thanks. |
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| 23:06.47 | Mazingaro | please is there a decent newsgroup client for debian kde? |
| 23:06.58 | GeNeRaL | guest oLcam şimdi |
| 23:06.59 | unlink | pstickne: :help hex-editing |
| 23:07.02 | ct12am | I see my usbmouse with lsusb, how should I find and apply a driver? |
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| 23:07.12 | pstickne | unlink, thanks |
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| 23:07.14 | unlink | ct12am: make sure you have usbhid. |
| 23:07.25 | pstickne | I was trying hexl-mode in emacs (my prefered editor) but that was being a pita :X |
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| 23:08.29 | moraLim_SinirLi | ChanServ naptın bizim işi |
| 23:08.42 | peterS | moraLim_SinirLi: in English, please |
| 23:08.45 | ct12am | unlink: I don't believe I do and it's not a package in dselect |
| 23:08.54 | moraLim_SinirLi | peterS o ingiLizcenin a.q ama ben |
| 23:09.02 | peterS | moraLim_SinirLi: I said, in English, please |
| 23:09.12 | moraLim_SinirLi | peterS anLadık Lan pic |
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| 23:09.26 | unlink | ct12am: it's a module. it compes with the kernel |
| 23:09.31 | unlink | *comes |
| 23:09.34 | ct12am | oh ok cool |
| 23:09.52 | ct12am | locate usbhid turns up nothing |
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| 23:10.33 | unlink | grep CONFIG_USB_HID /boot/config* |
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| 23:11.13 | ct12am | module and y, y |
| 23:11.41 | ct12am | insmod...? |
| 23:11.58 | plutonas | i use stable, if i want to go to testing, do i have just to change the sources.list, and then apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:13.42 | Azio | hi again, is it possible/practical/wokrable to copy a vmlinuz , menu.lst (grub), initrd, /lib/modules/relevant-kernel-here from one identical machine to another ? |
| 23:14.14 | peterS | Azio: you don't want to copy the menu.lst and initrd from one machine to another. those files are machine-specific |
| 23:14.25 | Azio | the machines are identical in every way |
| 23:14.29 | peterS | Azio: what you want is to install the same kernel package .deb file on both machines |
| 23:14.37 | gravity | plutonas: Yes, although you should use aptitude since it'll resolve the bigger issues much better |
| 23:14.47 | Azio | ahh oki, well ive been trying that, but for some reason initramfs-tools are a bit unpredictable |
| 23:14.50 | CrazednDazed | Is there a way I can monitor bandwidth Usage, on my machine and/or others on the local network? |
| 23:14.53 | plutonas | is there an easy way, to go back to stable, after that? |
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| 23:14.57 | Azio | thanks though peterS |
| 23:15.07 | gravity | plutonas: No |
| 23:15.11 | gravity | plutonas: Well, reinstall |
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| 23:15.38 | plutonas | gravity, well, thats bad... i have to think about it... |
| 23:16.06 | Azio | im tempted to just install etch at this rate |
| 23:16.07 | Azio | :> |
| 23:16.10 | Azio | i wont even need to recompile once :-) |
| 23:16.38 | plutonas | another question, if i do it, i want to keep my custom kernel, is there something i need to do, or there isn't a problem anyway? |
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| 23:17.21 | gravity | plutonas: I don't think that'll be a problem. |
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| 23:18.00 | iLLf8d | oh shit this isn't #ubuntu |
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| 23:18.03 | plutonas | ok... |
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| 23:18.04 | iLLf8d | LOL |
| 23:18.20 | plutonas | what would you tell me to do, stay with stable, or move to testing? |
| 23:18.20 | iLLf8d | someone has ubu issues |
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| 23:18.30 | iLLf8d | move to sid |
| 23:18.34 | gravity | plutonas: That depends on your needs |
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| 23:19.02 | plutonas | gravity, what do you mean? which neads need a stable, and wich ones a testing? |
| 23:19.32 | gravity | plutonas: What do you need from your computer? Etch is pretty well solid for the release, but there are still issues being worked out. If that worries you, then wait for the release. |
| 23:19.47 | gravity | plutonas: If you really want newer software right now, then yeah, switch to etch |
| 23:19.52 | gravity | plutonas: It depends on your needs |
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| 23:20.13 | iLLf8d | =P |
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| 23:20.43 | iLLf8d | no gnome 2.16 in there yet tho =( |
| 23:21.00 | Phil3 | anyone know how I can include an sftp upload in a shell script and pass a password automatically? |
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| 23:21.14 | plutonas | i dont *need* newer software. i use my computer mainly for programming, doing exercises, watching movies, downloading, surfing, chatting, and playing with debian... |
| 23:21.27 | peterS | Phil3: don't do that, use public key auth instead |
| 23:21.34 | plutonas | so what do you think that a user like me needs? |
| 23:21.37 | emss | hello plutonas |
| 23:21.49 | plutonas | oh emss !!! |
| 23:21.55 | plutonas | how are you? |
| 23:21.55 | dpkg | plutonas: pretty good. how about you? |
| 23:22.03 | plutonas | lol |
| 23:22.07 | emss | same :) |
| 23:22.13 | plutonas | me too... |
| 23:22.14 | iLLf8d | Phil3 more info which machine you on local/remote and how you running it? |
| 23:22.23 | plutonas | well emss what do you think? |
| 23:22.34 | plutonas | what do you use again? |
| 23:22.42 | emss | Debian unstable |
| 23:22.47 | peterS | Phil3: generate a keypair with 'keygen'. add the public key portion (the .pub file) to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server. use sftp -i to specify that key from the client. |
| 23:22.59 | peterS | I mean 'ssh-keygen', not just 'keygen'... |
| 23:22.59 | Phil3 | I want to connect to my local sftpd from a remote machine every hour and send a few files over |
| 23:23.06 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 23:23.31 | iLLf8d | so you're having the local machine sftp it back? |
| 23:23.41 | iLLf8d | or you sftping from the remote machine |
| 23:23.51 | Phil3 | i'm sftping to the local from the remote |
| 23:23.56 | iLLf8d | ah |
| 23:24.03 | peterS | Phil3: hmmm, it seems -i isn't supported by sftp. try -o 'IdentifyFile /your/keyfile' |
| 23:24.05 | iLLf8d | yeah setup keys either way |
| 23:24.16 | plutonas | well, emss i am thinking of going to testing, but it's a difficult decision, because there is no way back... |
| 23:24.26 | iLLf8d | ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 23:24.35 | peterS | Phil3: or do as I do and put "Host foo IdentityFile /your/keyfile" (two separate lines) in ~/.ssh/config on the client |
| 23:24.36 | iLLf8d | give it a passphrase and setup keychains to handle it so its secure |
| 23:24.40 | plutonas | so i don't know what to do |
| 23:24.52 | peterS | iLLf8d: no, don't give it a passphrase, that defeats the point of what he's trying to do |
| 23:24.57 | emss | plutonas: why is that a difficult decision? |
| 23:25.09 | iLLf8d | not if keychains is caching it |
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| 23:25.39 | plutonas | because if i dont like testing, and then decide that stable was better for my needs, i cant switch back to stable |
| 23:25.41 | peterS | Phil3: come to think of it, if you use scp instead of sftp, you _can_ use the -i option. scp is easier to use for your type of use anyway, I think |
| 23:26.05 | iLLf8d | and you can setup a use key on the remote end if you want |
| 23:26.35 | Phil3 | Your identification has been saved in /home/techtouch/.ssh/id_dsa. |
| 23:26.35 | Phil3 | Your public key has been saved in /home/techtouch/.ssh/id_dsa.pub. |
| 23:26.59 | emss | plutonas: why would you not like testing? |
| 23:27.15 | iLLf8d | yeah thats fine |
| 23:27.18 | peterS | Phil3: oh, if you're using the default location (.ssh/id_dsa) you don't need the -i option at all |
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| 23:27.31 | plutonas | emss, i do not know... but there is a possibility that i do not like it... |
| 23:27.39 | Phil3 | so what do I now put on the remote server? |
| 23:27.41 | plutonas | maybe its not stable enough, i dont know |
| 23:27.50 | peterS | Phil3: do what I told you a few minutes ago |
| 23:28.50 | Phil3 | (23:22:48) <peterS> Phil3: generate a keypair with 'keygen'. add the public key portion (the .pub file) to ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the server. use sftp -i to specify that key from the client. |
| 23:28.52 | Phil3 | that? |
| 23:28.53 | iLLf8d | you put the id_dsa.pub key in your remote ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file |
| 23:29.08 | peterS | Phil3: yes. except that I mistakenly thought sftp supported -i. as it happens, you won't need -i anyway. |
| 23:29.11 | Phil3 | so I need to keygen on the remote? |
| 23:29.16 | peterS | iLLf8d: yeah that's what I already said |
| 23:29.42 | peterS | Phil3: what part of "add the public key portion (the .pub file) to ~.ssh/authorized_keys on the server" don't you get? |
| 23:29.54 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 23:30.34 | Phil3 | do I do the keygen on the remote and then put the public key into the file on the local? |
| 23:30.41 | peterS | you did the keygen already |
| 23:30.43 | peterS | you already have your key |
| 23:30.51 | Phil3 | I did it on the local |
| 23:30.54 | peterS | you only need one key (divided into 2 files, the .pub and the other) |
| 23:30.56 | Phil3 | should it have been on the remote? |
| 23:31.10 | peterS | the key needs to be local. the public key portion needs to also be on the other end |
| 23:31.19 | Phil3 | local is server remote is client |
| 23:31.28 | peterS | oh, the key needs to be on the client |
| 23:31.36 | Phil3 | ok |
| 23:31.38 | peterS | the public key needs to be on the server, in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 23:31.41 | eMaX_ | hi all |
| 23:31.44 | eMaX_ | anyone here uses sshfs? |
| 23:32.00 | iLLf8d | the public key has to go onto the machine you're trying to connect to |
| 23:32.01 | peterS | eMaX_: you don't care if anyone uses sshfs. you really have some other question. ask _that_ please. |
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| 23:32.19 | iLLf8d | oops my bad |
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| 23:33.44 | iLLf8d | you can just do this cat .ssh/id_dsa.pub | ssh user@remote "cat - >>.ssh/authorized_keys" |
| 23:33.55 | peterS | UUOC |
| 23:34.08 | iLLf8d | whats a uuoc? |
| 23:34.31 | eMaX_ | ok. Why is an "ls" on an sshfs mounted directory slow, while other operations are fast? like, when I cd or cat a file, it happens instantaneously. When I do an ls, it takes 10 seconds consistently, before the result starts to come. At the same time, logging on to the remote server via ssh directly is fast |
| 23:34.33 | peterS | Useless Use of Cat. you meant to say: ssh user@remote < .ssh/id_dsa.pub 'cat - >> .ssh/authorized_keys' |
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| 23:35.12 | iLLf8d | actually I just cut it from the debian reference was gonna point them there if they run into trouble |
| 23:35.25 | peterS | ah so it's someone else's UUOC |
| 23:35.32 | iLLf8d | it runs through all this and will make it easy for them to follow if they can't manage it |
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| 23:35.55 | mfproroc | greets |
| 23:35.58 | iLLf8d | although I did take the user1 out didn't like the 1 for some reason heh |
| 23:36.01 | Azio | hey guys |
| 23:36.09 | Azio | is there a way to get rid of apt-get -f install message? :< |
| 23:36.20 | unlink | run apt-get -f install |
| 23:36.26 | mfproroc | i have an issue where about half of my disk space is free in df but pvscan reports 0 free - a drive is failing and i need to migrate data off one drive |
| 23:36.27 | Azio | I've got everything i want working but theres some unresolved dependnacies waiting to install - i dont want to install them |
| 23:36.36 | Phil3 | ok |
| 23:36.38 | Azio | (its a kernel and initrd-tools and im running backport) |
| 23:37.00 | peterS | Azio: the usual thing to do is to file bugs against the packages that express Depends relationships that you don't think they actually need |
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| 23:37.27 | Phil3 | so I did the keygen on the client and copied the contents of the .pub file into the authorized_keys on the server |
| 23:37.30 | Azio | heh well for some reason debian wants to use initrd-tools |
| 23:37.35 | Azio | instead of initramfs :< |
| 23:37.37 | peterS | Azio: the other approach is to install 'equivs' and build+install dummy packages that fool dpkg into thinking your dependencies are satisfied |
| 23:37.49 | Azio | heh oki |
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| 23:37.59 | CazH^ | how do you create a md5sum of a text string? |
| 23:38.10 | Phil3 | now how do I connect with the sftp not asking for a password? |
| 23:38.11 | peterS | CazH^: echo -n 'your text string' | md5sum |
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| 23:38.19 | unlink | echo -n 'hello' | md5sum |
| 23:38.21 | peterS | Phil3: it's not working? |
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| 23:38.28 | unlink | er, exactly as peterS says |
| 23:38.32 | iLLf8d | peterS, got any idea what the ? can be used as in ~/.ssh/config |
| 23:38.51 | iLLf8d | or is it yet another wildcard |
| 23:39.05 | Phil3 | I just did the regular command "sftp user@host:dir" |
| 23:39.07 | peterS | iLLf8d: ummm, I'm missing the context for your question |
| 23:39.07 | Phil3 | that correct? |
| 23:39.09 | CazH^ | peterS thx |
| 23:39.16 | peterS | Phil3: did it ask for a password? |
| 23:39.19 | Phil3 | yes |
| 23:39.21 | iLLf8d | nm its a wildcard |
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| 23:39.55 | peterS | Phil3: is it defaulting to protocol 1 or protocol 2, I wonder. try sftp -o 'Protocol 2' |
| 23:40.12 | peterS | Phil3: the key you generated only works for protocol 2, so if it tries protocol 1, the key won't work |
| 23:40.25 | Azio | ffs |
| 23:40.28 | Azio | its broken again :( goddamnit |
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| 23:42.32 | *** topic/#debian is /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:43.25 | iLLf8d | actually auth_keys has to be world readable iirc |
| 23:43.42 | peterS | iLLf8d: I don't think it does. I think the server reads it as your user. |
| 23:43.52 | unlink | no, it does not |
| 23:44.03 | Phil3 | -rw-rw-r-- 1 techtouch techtouch 614 Dec 16 23:33 authorized_keys |
| 23:44.08 | unlink | you can (and should) chmod go-rwx -R ~/.ssh |
| 23:44.26 | peterS | Phil3: yeah, so chmod -R g-w ~/.ssh |
| 23:44.40 | iLLf8d | hrm maybe they changed that |
| 23:44.45 | Phil3 | -rw------- 1 techtouch techtouch 614 Dec 16 23:33 authorized_keys |
| 23:44.50 | iLLf8d | I read that somewherer over the years don't recall wherre |
| 23:45.04 | peterS | Phil3: not just the authorized_keys file, the whole .ssh directory cannot be group-writable. |
| 23:45.11 | Phil3 | aha! |
| 23:45.16 | Phil3 | ssh works now |
| 23:45.41 | peterS | Phil3: the ssh server takes no chances - if .ssh is group-writable, it thinks it is possible for someone else to tamper with your authorized_keys file. so it ignores the file in that case. |
| 23:45.49 | Phil3 | as does sftp |
| 23:45.50 | Phil3 | thanks :) |
| 23:45.59 | peterS | good, good |
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| 23:48.00 | CrazednDazed | Can I start a program graphical program (konqueror) on a remote machine using ssh? |
| 23:48.22 | iLLf8d | heh that was 3.14 of the openssh faq |
| 23:48.28 | peterS | CrazednDazed: yes, particularly if you use 'ssh -X' to connect to the server in the first place |
| 23:49.04 | CrazednDazed | ah |
| 23:49.06 | CrazednDazed | but I mean |
| 23:49.09 | CrazednDazed | on the server can I start one |
| 23:49.51 | unlink | that's what you'd be doing |
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| 23:50.20 | CrazednDazed | well, when I do that, konqueror starts on the machine I'm connecting From |
| 23:50.21 | emss | CrazednDazed: this is called X11 forwarding |
| 23:50.37 | CrazednDazed | and I want it to start on the machine I'm Connecting To. |
| 23:50.38 | unlink | CrazednDazed: no, it connects to the X11 server on the client machine |
| 23:51.02 | CrazednDazed | unlink: Exactly, can I make something start on the X11 server on the server machine? |
| 23:51.24 | CrazednDazed | it's on my local area network, I'd just like to be able to control things from here |
| 23:51.30 | unlink | yes. you need to set $DISPLAY appropriately. |
| 23:51.49 | macr0_ | hi everyone, Does anyone know how to flush the client dns cache? Thanks in advance |
| 23:51.49 | unlink | you might need to do something with xauth too, i'm not sure |
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| 23:52.05 | CrazednDazed | unlink: Any idea where I could find information on that, or what I could try? I ran xhost + |
| 23:52.13 | unlink | check google. |
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| 23:53.15 | unlink | why would you want to run commands on a terminal you're not at? |
| 23:53.29 | unlink | i.e., why not run them at that terminal directly? |
| 23:53.49 | CrazednDazed | well, if someone else is using the computer, and I'd like to show them something |
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| 23:53.58 | CrazednDazed | or if I want to start a program that can only run in gui and I lack monitors |
| 23:54.08 | *** part/#debian Strogg (n=user@205.150.199.219) |
| 23:54.13 | unlink | the second instance, you probably want forwarding. |
| 23:54.20 | *** part/#debian kodiak (n=beep@147.Red-88-0-231.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:54.37 | CrazednDazed | x forwarding? |
| 23:54.44 | unlink | yes |
| 23:55.39 | *** join/#debian fflush (n=lrfurtad@lrfurtado.com.br) |
| 23:56.41 | *** part/#debian TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0678.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) |
