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| 00:01.57 | jonathan_ | hi |
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| 00:02.10 | garotosopa | any change to get flash player (konqueror) playing sound along with amarok (xine) ? |
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| 00:12.22 | ellobo | hi |
| 00:12.47 | ellobo | is it possible to use vesafb with non-standard modes ? like 1280x800 |
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| 00:12.58 | emss | garotosopa: ? |
| 00:13.27 | Phil3 | is >> append or overwrite? |
| 00:13.27 | amphi | ellobo: I believe so, but I've not tried it |
| 00:13.37 | amphi | Phil3: the former |
| 00:13.41 | Phil3 | ty |
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| 00:14.04 | ellobo | amphi: the only modes in the kernel fb text are for standar modes... |
| 00:14.12 | garotosopa | emss, when I'm using amarok with xine lib and plays something with flash (such as youtube) it's mute. is it possible to mix them? should I ask somewhere else? |
| 00:15.10 | emss | garotosopa: maybe in #amarok |
| 00:15.15 | matholio | Dear #debin, how can I move a system from an old ide to a shiny new , bugger, ide drive ? |
| 00:15.18 | amphi | ellobo: yes |
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| 00:16.20 | ellobo | another question (probably not the right place to ask... but...) is it possible to user bootsplash with radeonfb ? |
| 00:17.01 | emss | garotosopa: but I think it's because you are not using a sound server and then amarok/xine take over your soundcard and nothing else can access it |
| 00:19.37 | garotosopa | emss, I tried Arts once but it's slow... I get delay, do you recommend something? |
| 00:19.51 | ellobo | garotosopa: boy soup :) ? |
| 00:20.19 | garotosopa | ellobo, yeah! where are you from? |
| 00:20.25 | ellobo | pt |
| 00:20.29 | garotosopa | br |
| 00:20.36 | ellobo | bem me pareceu :) |
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| 00:21.18 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 00:21.24 | dazjorz | I'd like to disable Postfix without having to uninstall it |
| 00:21.49 | dazjorz | is there a file I can create in /etc/default or something? |
| 00:21.52 | emss | garotosopa: there is esd and gstreamer |
| 00:21.56 | dazjorz | or do I have to start messing with update-rc.d ? |
| 00:21.57 | iLLf8d | hey all anyone know how to effectively startx from an ssh connection? |
| 00:22.04 | emss | garotosopa: I do not know much about sound servers |
| 00:23.17 | peterS | iLLf8d: well, startx starts an X server which is not what you want. it's hard to imagine what you _do_ want so please be more specific |
| 00:24.17 | iLLf8d | hrm I think I want allowed_users=anybody in my Xwrapper.config |
| 00:24.18 | iLLf8d | gotta check |
| 00:24.34 | emss | iLLf8d: maybe you want something like Xnest |
| 00:24.59 | peterS | oh so you _do_ want to start a local X session from a remote connection? weird. |
| 00:25.12 | iLLf8d | yeah |
| 00:25.37 | Phil3 | hmmm |
| 00:25.59 | Phil3 | I'm trying to get a bash script to upload multiple files via sftp |
| 00:26.20 | emss | Xnest -ac :1 & xterm -display :1 & |
| 00:26.24 | emss | try that |
| 00:26.27 | Phil3 | if I stick all the puts under the connection line it does them as regular commands once I close the connection to the sftp server |
| 00:26.29 | peterS | Phil3: I'd suggest using scp instead. scp file1 file2 file3 file4 user@server:dir/ |
| 00:26.42 | Phil3 | ok |
| 00:27.01 | peterS | Phil3: if the files have spaces in the names, scp may not handle that very well, it's a design flaw of scp. but otherwise it works great. |
| 00:27.12 | Phil3 | they don't |
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| 00:27.44 | emss | peterS: how is that a design flaw? |
| 00:28.03 | emss | since when did unix anything handle spaces in filenames well? |
| 00:28.03 | peterS | emss: the scp protocol makes filename quoting awkward or impossible in some cases |
| 00:28.10 | emss | ah |
| 00:28.19 | dazjorz | so what's the best way to disable postfix, to prevent it from starting ? while keeping all files etc ? |
| 00:28.25 | peterS | emss: unix handles spaces in filenames just fine. you have to be a bit careful with quoting in shells, that's all. |
| 00:29.35 | peterS | dazjorz: honestly, in debian, if you just remove a package and install it again later, your config should be perfectly preserved. debian packages try very hard to make sure this is true. this is why 'remove' and 'purge' are two separate steps, purge removes your configuration. so disabling a service by just _removing_ the package actually makes a lot of sense |
| 00:30.02 | peterS | dazjorz: but if you want to just keep it from starting, you can 'update-rc.d postfix remove' |
| 00:30.29 | dazjorz | peterS: actually, yeah, but I compiled my own deb of postfix because I applied a quota patch |
| 00:30.33 | dazjorz | peterS: Ok |
| 00:31.02 | dazjorz | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/postfix exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
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| 00:31.52 | peterS | dazjorz: oh, hmm. it might be simpler just to use 'chmod -x /etc/init.d/postfix' in any case |
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| 00:32.03 | peterS | dazjorz: easier to reverse, etc. (just chmod +x it again) |
| 00:32.20 | dazjorz | peterS: Yeah, good idea :) Thanks! |
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| 00:47.38 | didas | hi. any suggestions on where to post about a soundcard problem I have ? I am using debian sarge. http://forums.debian.net did not really help. thx |
| 00:48.04 | amphi | why not ask in here? |
| 00:48.13 | didas | well.. ok |
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| 00:48.32 | blondie | ha |
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| 00:56.36 | Gnurdux | and use pastebin in the future |
| 00:56.51 | didas | and sorry. it was just 4 lines... |
| 00:57.00 | Gnurdux | still |
| 00:57.11 | didas | ok sorry falks |
| 00:57.14 | didas | folks |
| 00:57.16 | Gnurdux | ahhh yes i see what it meants i think |
| 00:57.29 | Gnurdux | it means those modules depend on some other modules which you dont have |
| 00:57.34 | Gnurdux | where did you get those? |
| 00:57.38 | cunzhang | !paste |
| 00:57.38 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 00:57.43 | didas | when runing alsaconf |
| 00:57.47 | Gnurdux | i know |
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| 00:57.58 | Gnurdux | i mean where you got the files snd-vxpocket.o etc |
| 00:58.04 | creature | blondie: Intel what? |
| 00:58.12 | creature | blondie: I don't think any of the gear is intel-based. |
| 00:58.15 | blondie | creature: oh, wireless cards. |
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| 00:58.27 | creature | Anyway, I don't want to know what else does it. I want to stop it doing it. |
| 00:58.31 | blondie | specifically the 3945ABG |
| 00:58.37 | Gnurdux | wait 1 thing |
| 00:58.45 | didas | Gnurdux.. well . I installed everything from the debian distribution |
| 00:58.46 | Gnurdux | didas: does the sound work ok? |
| 00:59.05 | Gnurdux | if you just ignore the errors, does everything work? |
| 00:59.07 | didas | yes . sound works fine. good quality |
| 00:59.15 | Gnurdux | using the sound blaster? |
| 00:59.19 | Gnurdux | then ignore the errors |
| 00:59.39 | Gnurdux | incidentally, you on stable or testing? |
| 00:59.47 | didas | it is just that when rebooting I have to run alsaconf again for soundblaster as the on-board soundcard cames back as default |
| 00:59.54 | blondie | didas: do what I said. |
| 00:59.57 | blondie | disable it |
| 01:00.01 | didas | stable |
| 01:00.27 | Gnurdux | yea didas why don't you just disable the onboard sound in your BIOS? |
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| 01:00.41 | didas | one thing i will try is disabling soundcard from biaos if I can |
| 01:00.47 | Gnurdux | another thing |
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| 01:01.15 | Seven_Six_Two | is there a specific modifiable file that route acts on? |
| 01:01.37 | cunzhang | when I use `man command`,so many sentences of no use before typing the man of command |
| 01:01.45 | cunzhang | . |
| 01:01.52 | cunzhang | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4826 |
| 01:01.55 | blondie | Seven_Six_Two: /etc/network/interfaces for your gateway |
| 01:02.03 | blondie | silly creature |
| 01:02.08 | cunzhang | I use Debian Sid |
| 01:02.51 | Seven_Six_Two | blondie: doesn't route get called from /etc/network/interfaces to set the routing table? |
| 01:02.57 | didas | is there any place I can go and read about thing like the pastebin etc? I mean rules about debian on freenode |
| 01:03.08 | blondie | Seven_Six_Two: maybe I don't know. |
| 01:03.21 | blondie | didas: in the topic |
| 01:03.30 | blondie | or ask dpkg |
| 01:03.41 | Seven_Six_Two | I'm looking for the file that the routing table is stored in, if there is one |
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| 01:03.54 | blondie | I doubt it's stored in a file |
| 01:04.00 | Gnurdux | didas: can you try typing: update-rc.d alsa defaults |
| 01:04.03 | Gnurdux | as root in a terminal |
| 01:04.05 | blondie | as it's lost on reboot |
| 01:04.06 | camh | what do I choose for "Processor Family" when configuring the kernel for a Core 2 Duo (E6600) ? |
| 01:04.09 | creature | I'd imagine you can find it in /proc somewhere. |
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| 01:04.29 | Gnurdux | camh, you are on AMD64 debian? |
| 01:04.32 | creature | camh: I don't know for sure, but I'd say a Pentium 4 with SMP support would do it. But that's entirely guesswork. |
| 01:04.42 | creature | Core 2 Duo is Intel, Gnurdux. |
| 01:04.46 | Seven_Six_Two | oh ok. I see. I'll just have to do in in interfaces then. ok. |
| 01:04.54 | didas | Gnurdux: you mean in aptitude or just the command line? What will this do? |
| 01:05.05 | blondie | creature: but... |
| 01:05.06 | jjones_ | i need to add a line to multiple files with different names (but are in the same dir) - how can do that? |
| 01:05.07 | mrynit | hey Z_Man |
| 01:05.12 | camh | i'm unsure because I though the core processors branched from the pentium M, while P4 is a dead end. |
| 01:05.20 | blondie | creature: amd64 works on core 2 duos or something |
| 01:05.53 | creature | Really? Interesting. |
| 01:05.59 | creature | Well, I said I was on guesswork. |
| 01:06.13 | Z_Man | hey |
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| 01:07.16 | didas | ok.. I 'll try your advice people. Talk to you soon. |
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| 01:15.30 | Gnurdux | camh, well i suggest you should upgrade it first |
| 01:15.33 | Gnurdux | then reinstlall userland |
| 01:15.38 | Gnurdux | then build your kernel |
| 01:15.41 | anuragJ | DaeJeon-novice, what you use is CLI (Command line Interface) :) |
| 01:15.41 | camh | Gnurdux: but I always use custom kernels built for the hardware - hence my need to reconfigure the kernel. |
| 01:15.53 | redrain | Hi, I want to install mysql 5.0 from backports. But I get unmet dependencies error. I've adde backports to /etc/apt/sources.list and I'm using: apt-get install -t sarge-backports install mysql-server. What could be the problem? |
| 01:16.02 | camh | Gnurdux: shouldn't a 32-bit useland work on these processors? |
| 01:16.31 | Gnurdux | camh: it will, but a 32-bit compiler can't build a 64 bit kernel |
| 01:16.53 | mrynit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.56 | Gnurdux | so it wont be very custom-compiled.... |
| 01:17.17 | anuragJ | I need to mount linux fileshare under windows, any suggestion |
| 01:17.24 | DaeJeon-novice | mrynit: i couldt not see any |
| 01:17.33 | anuragJ | other than smb:// |
| 01:17.35 | krazykit | anuragJ: fileshare or file system? |
| 01:17.43 | anuragJ | fileshare |
| 01:17.49 | krazykit | what kind of fileshare? |
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| 01:18.03 | krazykit | samba's really the easiest to get going... |
| 01:18.10 | DaeJeon-novice | yum list available - cent os |
| 01:18.11 | anuragJ | i mean share folders |
| 01:18.19 | mrynit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.22 | DaeJeon-novice | something like in debian? |
| 01:18.26 | mrynit | doesnt that give you a list? |
| 01:18.42 | Pryon | DaeJeon-novice: aptitude |
| 01:18.45 | krazykit | anuragJ: yeah. samba's the simplest way to get it going |
| 01:18.54 | blondie | DaeJeon-novice: apt-cache search |
| 01:18.59 | anuragJ | mm ok thanks |
| 01:19.03 | blondie | DaeJeon-novice: or go to packages.debian.org |
| 01:19.06 | camh | Gnurdux: thanks. looks like a re-install then. Debian makes it so easy to avoid them, I had hoped not to do it this time. |
| 01:19.06 | Xires | I'm having trouble removing exim from a remote Debian box..I select the packages for removal yet it seems to not permit me to remove it(claiming nothing selected for removal)..I've already installed courier-mta(and several other utils from the suite) as a replacement |
| 01:19.33 | Gnurdux | camh, yes |
| 01:19.35 | Xires | can anyone point me to a solution? |
| 01:20.00 | DaeJeon-novice | mrynit: no |
| 01:20.05 | DaeJeon-novice | no lsit |
| 01:20.12 | Gnurdux | camh: just curious: if you are experienced enough to know how to customize a kernel, why don't you even know what type of processor a core 2 duo is? |
| 01:20.49 | Gnurdux | also, you CAN build a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit userland, youll just need to build a cross-compiler |
| 01:21.09 | camh | Gnurdux: been using linux since 93, so I know kernels. But I know the Core 2 duo is part P4, part Pentium M, part K8. So which to choose? |
| 01:21.14 | Pryon | DaeJeon-novice: you can use apt-cache search to search for packages or use aptitude if you must browse |
| 01:21.41 | Gnurdux | camh: its none of the above |
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| 01:21.55 | Gnurdux | im sure pentium m would work |
| 01:21.57 | DaeJeon-novice | mrynit:http://pastebin.ca/281776 |
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| 01:22.05 | camh | Gnurdux: well then, what to choose for "Processor Family" when configuring the kernel? |
| 01:22.11 | Gnurdux | but you want a 64-bit kernel |
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| 01:22.28 | Gnurdux | camh: change your architecture to x86-64 |
| 01:22.38 | DaeJeon-novice | Pryon:apt-cache search si it local? |
| 01:22.51 | mrynit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.03 | DaeJeon-novice | no no |
| 01:23.13 | DaeJeon-novice | I have to isntall 100 packages |
| 01:23.28 | DaeJeon-novice | nothing in my system yet |
| 01:23.41 | camh | Gnurdux: I think I'm not explaininy myself properly. Under "make menuconfig" for "Processor type and features", then "Processor Family", there is no "x86-64" option. |
| 01:23.48 | mrynit | it shows 0 and says nothing about needing to install pkgs |
| 01:24.02 | Gnurdux | camh: right |
| 01:24.14 | Gnurdux | architecture, not processor family camh |
| 01:24.19 | Gnurdux | its a whole different arch |
| 01:24.40 | DaeJeon-novice | ncurses-dev |
| 01:24.45 | DaeJeon-novice | i need |
| 01:24.58 | Pryon | DaeJeon-novice: If you do 'apt-get update' first it will reflect the state of whatever mirrors you've chosen |
| 01:25.02 | clearscreen | then apt-get install ncurses-dev :P |
| 01:25.07 | Pryon | BUt it is local |
| 01:25.13 | camh | Gnurdux: so the question is, what do you choose for that option? It needs an answer and is currently "Athlon/Duron/K7" for my current box. |
| 01:25.16 | mrynit | i need ncurses aswell! |
| 01:25.19 | Gnurdux | you want architecture x86-64, processor family Intel EM64T, and you want to enable em64t |
| 01:25.27 | DaeJeon-novice | I think i should switch back to centos |
| 01:25.27 | Gnurdux | camh: waitm you dont use menuconfig? |
| 01:25.40 | DaeJeon-novice | it does not work well |
| 01:25.51 | camh | Gnurdux: I run "make menuconfig" |
| 01:25.52 | mrynit | DaeJeon-novice: what are you using ncurses for? i need it to compile grub |
| 01:25.54 | DaeJeon-novice | maybe I don'tknow how to use apt-get tool |
| 01:26.07 | DaeJeon-novice | asterisk |
| 01:26.07 | mrynit | apt-get install package |
| 01:26.07 | clearscreen | apt-get update && apt-get install ncurses-dev.. if it 'doesn't work well' tell us a specific error(code) please ;) |
| 01:26.10 | Gnurdux | camh, right |
| 01:26.18 | Gnurdux | so then quit out of processor familty |
| 01:26.30 | Gnurdux | go to Architecture |
| 01:26.36 | Gnurdux | choose x86-64 |
| 01:26.48 | emss | DaeJeon-novice: there is also aptitude |
| 01:26.50 | Gnurdux | if there isnt an architecture, then you have a few options |
| 01:26.58 | Gnurdux | #1: install amd64 debian first |
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| 01:27.36 | plugwash_ | is there any way to stop the console beeping when i'm using tab completion? |
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| 01:27.56 | emss | dislike the new 2.6.x kernels compared to 2.4.x there are just too many options to choose :'( |
| 01:28.07 | blondie | options for what? |
| 01:28.37 | camh | Gnurdux: I think I must be going blind. I dont see an "Architecture" to go to (kernel 2.6.18.5) - there is a "Subarchitecture type" which has "PC-Compatible" as its value (no x86-64 choice) |
| 01:28.52 | Gnurdux | camh, what are the other choices? |
| 01:29.06 | DaeJeon-novice | clearscreen: is there any way to see the list available packages? |
| 01:29.21 | Gnurdux | it probably isnt there, because it assumes that your building a 32-bit kernel since your on a 32-bit OS |
| 01:29.22 | DaeJeon-novice | clearscreen: is there any way to see the list of available packages? |
| 01:29.29 | clearscreen | why would you need a list DaeJeon-novice? |
| 01:29.29 | camh | Gnurdux: It must go back to what you said before - you cannot use a 32-bit compiler to build a 64-bit kernel, so it is not an option |
| 01:29.32 | Gnurdux | DaeJeon-novice, you could use apt-cache |
| 01:29.37 | DaeJeon-novice | because |
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| 01:29.41 | emss | DaeJeon-novice: you can use aptitude |
| 01:29.49 | Gnurdux | camh: it wouldnt show up even if you had a cross-compiler |
| 01:29.58 | DaeJeon-novice | I want to see |
| 01:29.58 | Gnurdux | i think its a command line option to make |
| 01:30.07 | DaeJeon-novice | I can see in centos |
| 01:30.07 | emss | DaeJeon-novice: aptitude |
| 01:30.12 | mrynit | DaeJeon-novice: does this help you http://slexy.org/paste/619 ? |
| 01:30.18 | camh | Gnurdux: thanks. I'll do some research now I know where to look. |
| 01:30.19 | Gnurdux | camh: you can build a cross-compiler to compile your kernel you know |
| 01:30.34 | Gnurdux | but i dont see why you dont want a 64 bit oS? |
| 01:30.35 | camh | Gnurdux: that was going to be my next option (cross-compiler) |
| 01:30.52 | DaeJeon-novice | emss: how can I use aptitude? |
| 01:30.55 | Gnurdux | if you just install amd64 debian first, no need for that |
| 01:31.00 | camh | Gnurdux: I want to do it step by step. I only have time for a MB swapover right now, not a re-install. |
| 01:31.02 | emss | type aptitude on the command line |
| 01:31.22 | Gnurdux | camh: maybe theres a way to switch architectures, though i doubt it |
| 01:31.26 | camh | Gnurdux: (and I hate reinstalling. I've got everything configured just the way I like it) |
| 01:31.32 | Gnurdux | is there a way to switch architectures using APT? |
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| 01:32.11 | mrynit | DaeJeon-novice: enter aptitiude into the terminal |
| 01:32.41 | DaeJeon-novice | mrynit: I got the GUI |
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| 01:32.53 | mrynit | play around with it |
| 01:33.15 | Gnurdux | camh: why did you get a 64 bit CPU if you were not planning on using it as such? |
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| 01:33.42 | mrynit | DaeJeon-novice: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/doc/aptitude-doc-en |
| 01:33.43 | DaeJeon-novice | mrynit: but I still I could not find the way to see the list of packages available |
| 01:33.47 | kokoboi | is it possible to run debian on sgi o2 ? |
| 01:33.58 | camh | Gnurdux: I will ultimately re-install, but for now I'll just build a 32-bit kernel - I assume that 586 will work and go with that. |
| 01:33.59 | mrynit | DaeJeon-novice you could check the debian homepage |
| 01:34.09 | Gnurdux | camh, 586?? |
| 01:34.10 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:34.23 | Gnurdux | go with pentium 3 |
| 01:34.28 | camh | Gnurdux: I do plan to use it as a 64-bit CPU. Not today though, maybe next week. |
| 01:34.29 | Gnurdux | thats definitely safe |
| 01:34.52 | Gnurdux | actually go with pentium M |
| 01:35.06 | Gnurdux | camh: have you already swapped the motherboard? |
| 01:35.14 | camh | Gnurdux: Pentium M was my first choice, and what I originally came here to verify. |
| 01:35.19 | kokoboi | hello ? |
| 01:35.24 | camh | Gnurdux: MB not swapped yet. Still on the MP2000 |
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| 01:35.50 | kokoboi | is it possible to run debian on sgi o2 ? |
| 01:36.12 | Gnurdux | camh: you know, installing 64-bit debian, even with default kernel, will improve performance MUCH more than a custom 32-bit kernel |
| 01:36.21 | Gnurdux | but camh anyways remember to enable SMP |
| 01:36.51 | emss | plugwash_: stty --help |
| 01:37.12 | camh | Gnurdux: just putting in the new processor will improve performance :-). This way I get two speed boosts :-) |
| 01:37.13 | plugwash_ | gnurdux from etch onwards aren't the standard kernels smp? |
| 01:37.22 | Gnurdux | plugwash_, hes compiling a kernel |
| 01:37.39 | plugwash_ | ahh true |
| 01:37.43 | plugwash_ | emss: thanks |
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| 01:37.53 | Gnurdux | SMP is probably on by default but i dont know |
| 01:38.22 | camh | Gnurdux: I have SMP on already - a dual MP2000 system right now. |
| 01:38.32 | Gnurdux | ah k |
| 01:38.32 | emss | plugwash_: no not thanks it's: 'man setterm' |
| 01:38.34 | emss | plugwash_: sorry :\ |
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| 01:38.48 | mrynit | how can i apt-get libs? |
| 01:39.03 | Gnurdux | mrynit, what libs do you need? what do you even mean? |
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| 01:39.29 | mrynit | lzo and ncurses |
| 01:39.47 | mrynit | i tried compiling grub and it said i was missing some lzo and nucruse .h files |
| 01:39.48 | Gnurdux | you need these for? |
| 01:39.59 | Gnurdux | why compiel grub? just apt-get install grub |
| 01:40.20 | mrynit | i need to get grub on a floppy. all the tuts i have seen say to compile grub to floppy |
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| 01:40.34 | mrynit | the big picture is im trying to multiboot OSes |
| 01:40.36 | Gnurdux | how old are these tutorials? |
| 01:40.40 | mrynit | 2001 |
| 01:40.42 | mrynit | :( |
| 01:40.44 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 01:40.49 | Gnurdux | and why do you need it on a floppy? |
| 01:40.55 | mrynit | they say so |
| 01:41.00 | clearscreen | yeah, you can multiboot OSes without a floppy |
| 01:41.05 | Gnurdux | and without compiling |
| 01:41.10 | Gnurdux | and i bet you already have grub |
| 01:41.11 | clearscreen | apt-get install grub, then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst appropriately |
| 01:41.12 | emss | grub is a pain |
| 01:41.13 | mrynit | im trying to get win98,winXP and debian all on the same hardrive and its a pian |
| 01:41.14 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 01:41.22 | clearscreen | apt-get install grub, then edit /boot/grub/menu.lst appropriately |
| 01:41.23 | Gnurdux | mrynit, type: ls /boot |
| 01:41.23 | clearscreen | :P |
| 01:41.26 | Gnurdux | and pastebin it |
| 01:41.36 | Gnurdux | clearscreen, first lets make sure he doesnt already have grub |
| 01:41.38 | mrynit | i have grub in /boot |
| 01:41.45 | clearscreen | Gnurdux, if he does, apt will say so |
| 01:41.47 | Gnurdux | mrynit, no need to compile or apt-get anything then |
| 01:41.59 | Gnurdux | all you need to do is edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 01:42.04 | mrynit | so i have been going around in cirdcles for the past 47 hrs? |
| 01:42.08 | Gnurdux | and add the OSes you need |
| 01:42.10 | clearscreen | probably yep mrew |
| 01:42.11 | mrynit | n o no |
| 01:42.12 | clearscreen | mrynit* |
| 01:42.24 | emss | mrynit: get used to it :) |
| 01:42.27 | Gnurdux | you should be happy |
| 01:42.33 | Gnurdux | its makes things much easier for you now |
| 01:42.35 | mrynit | installing any windows operating system over writes grub on the MBR |
| 01:42.39 | Gnurdux | but something to remember |
| 01:42.42 | Gnurdux | mrynit, right |
| 01:42.49 | Gnurdux | you have to reinstall grub when your done |
| 01:42.59 | mrynit | so i need the grub floppy? |
| 01:43.05 | Gnurdux | nope |
| 01:43.19 | mrynit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.23 | Gnurdux | you could use knoppix, chroot into your system, and install grub that way |
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| 01:43.35 | Gnurdux | never use a tutorial more than a year old for somehting liek this |
| 01:43.40 | mrynit | ok |
| 01:43.43 | emss | mrynit: debian install cd is also a rescue one |
| 01:43.53 | thingfish | !tell mrynit about fixmbr |
| 01:43.54 | mrynit | i have etch netinstall |
| 01:44.01 | Gnurdux | mrynit, do oyu have a knoppix (or damnsmalllinux)? |
| 01:44.05 | plugwash_ | emss i tried setterm blength 0 but at least in an xterm it doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 01:44.09 | clearscreen | what I always do is install windows first and THEN linux, grub sets it up automatically perfectly.. but in your case; doesn't the debian CD have a failsafe option? |
| 01:44.10 | karsten | aptitude update seems to hange at Hit http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages |
| 01:44.13 | beans | steam finally got thier auth server working for linux |
| 01:44.20 | Gnurdux | mrynit, linux livecds are the easiest way |
| 01:44.22 | karsten | ... both interactive and noninteractive. |
| 01:44.23 | mrynit | knoppix 4.2 |
| 01:44.26 | Gnurdux | good |
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| 01:44.33 | emss | mrynit: also I like this one a lot http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 01:44.38 | Gnurdux | why do you want win98? |
| 01:44.39 | dn4 | how do I extract a .gz file? |
| 01:44.47 | clearscreen | tar -xzf file.gz |
| 01:44.50 | karsten | dn4: Forceps |
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| 01:44.51 | plugwash_ | i remember with a woody cd you could boot your existing system with rescue root=whatever at the cds boot prompt |
| 01:44.58 | amphi | emss: yeah, I like that one - zsh FTW ;) |
| 01:44.59 | plugwash_ | dunno if that still works with more recent cds or not |
| 01:45.13 | Gnurdux | mrynit, whats the use of win98? |
| 01:45.15 | plugwash_ | replace whatever with your root partition |
| 01:45.25 | mrynit | Gnurdux im working with embeded devices that have flashing software that uses DOS. i want to use win98 for the GUI |
| 01:45.28 | Gnurdux | and how do you prevent windows installer from deleting linux |
| 01:45.31 | emss | amphi: what is so great about zsh? |
| 01:45.54 | karsten | ... and apt-get update. |
| 01:45.54 | Gnurdux | mrynit, ? |
| 01:45.54 | plugwash_ | gnurdux running old dos games well with modern network adaptors functional |
| 01:45.54 | karsten | emss: Collates last. |
| 01:45.54 | Gnurdux | use win98 for the gui? |
| 01:46.00 | mrynit | file managment |
| 01:46.05 | Gnurdux | why not use winxp? |
| 01:46.24 | plugwash_ | gnurdux old dos games don't run nearly as well under XP despite microsofts efforts |
| 01:46.26 | mrynit | well i will have XP |
| 01:46.38 | plugwash_ | and i belive setting up networking in pure dos can be a huge pita |
| 01:46.42 | mrynit | then i would just install DOS 6.22 |
| 01:46.43 | karsten | plugwash_: Tried dosemu? |
| 01:46.58 | karsten | plugwash_: It works for a lot of stuff, though direct video graphics might not cut it. |
| 01:47.00 | dn4 | karsten, THAT DID NOT WORK |
| 01:47.03 | dn4 | whoops |
| 01:47.06 | Gnurdux | wait mrynit why do YOU want win98 over XP? |
| 01:47.14 | plugwash_ | last time i tried it it sucked but its a while since i've tried it |
| 01:47.36 | mrynit | win98 flashing to chips, XP for games, debian for sotware dev |
| 01:47.50 | mrynit | win98 DOS really |
| 01:48.02 | camh | Gnurdux: thanks for your help. |
| 01:48.04 | karsten | mrynit: There's also FreeDOS. |
| 01:48.22 | karsten | dn4: Um. Maybe, just maybe, that's the sort of question you might submit to Google. |
| 01:48.25 | mrynit | is FreeDOS a bitch to install on a partioned harddrive? |
| 01:48.29 | emss | plugwash_: for xterm +vb |
| 01:48.35 | karsten | mrynit: It is? |
| 01:48.44 | Gnurdux | mrynit, why do you need win98 installed? |
| 01:48.46 | karsten | mrynit: Isn't Win98 just as much of a bitch? |
| 01:48.47 | mrynit | i was asking |
| 01:48.54 | karsten | mrynit: No, it's bog easy. |
| 01:48.59 | plugwash_ | emss +vb when launching xterm? |
| 01:49.02 | emss | yes |
| 01:49.05 | emss | plugwash_: man xterm |
| 01:49.17 | emss | plugwash_: type /\+vb or read xterm -help |
| 01:49.25 | mrynit | win98 has a gui and comes with a version of DOS that the flashing software supports |
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| 01:49.47 | Gnurdux | and the flashing software doesnt work on XP mrynit ? |
| 01:49.52 | Gnurdux | or linux? |
| 01:50.01 | mrynit | it must run in DOS |
| 01:50.13 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:50.13 | mrynit | no other OS |
| 01:50.15 | karsten | Gnurdux: Many BIOS flash utilities require DOS. |
| 01:50.16 | pzn | sorry for the off-topic. does anyone have siemens mc35i modem at commands manual? I need to connect one with a debian machine and it is not working... the ATA command is not as standard modems... |
| 01:50.19 | Gnurdux | right |
| 01:50.28 | mrynit | some one should port it |
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| 01:50.34 | mrynit | i dont have the time or knowledge |
| 01:50.39 | Gnurdux | im not sure if its possible |
| 01:50.45 | mrynit | it is |
| 01:50.50 | Gnurdux | what is this software for? |
| 01:50.55 | karsten | mrynit: FreeDOS should also work, so long as there's no Win32 API up. |
| 01:50.57 | mrynit | commoder 64 |
| 01:50.58 | Gnurdux | and is it opensource? |
| 01:51.01 | mrynit | no |
| 01:51.07 | Gnurdux | then you cant port it :P |
| 01:51.15 | karsten | pzn: Most modems should respect hte Hayes command set, which is readily googleable. |
| 01:51.22 | mrynit | maybe if i asked the guy nicely |
| 01:51.33 | karsten | pzn: When was your particular modem manufactured? |
| 01:51.40 | karsten | pzn: s/hte/the/ |
| 01:51.51 | emss | plugwash_: did that work? |
| 01:51.53 | mrynit | i just want to get those three OS working and use grub to boot them |
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| 01:52.12 | dn4 | gunzip worked |
| 01:53.45 | emss | is there a utility for GNU/Linux like OpenBSD's systat, that will continually poll the interfaces kinda like top does for processes? |
| 01:54.47 | pzn | karsten, it is an GSM/GPRS modem. ATA is doing "manual answer audio call", it should do "manual answer data call". I need to discover how to anwer in data mode (like analog modems do) |
| 01:55.28 | mrynit | well grub compiled now that i got ncurses and lzo |
| 01:55.38 | emss | why compile grub? |
| 01:55.47 | mrynit | the really old tuts said to |
| 01:56.04 | emss | Debian comes will all the documentation you need |
| 01:56.20 | mrynit | to multi boot win98 XP and debian? |
| 01:56.22 | emss | aptitude install grub, then read /usr/share/doc/grub/html/? |
| 01:56.28 | DaeJeon-novice | is it possible to share internet connection on two bebian boxes? |
| 01:56.56 | emss | mrynit: this is probably covered in the Debian installation manual as well on www.debian.org |
| 01:57.08 | DaeJeon-novice | is it possible to share internet connection on two debian boxes? |
| 01:57.11 | mrynit | goog didnt really come up with much |
| 01:57.58 | pzn | DaeJeon-novice, sure, it is possible; first configure them with an internal network IP (192.168.x.x) and test the network with ping. |
| 01:58.12 | emss | DaeJeon-novice: was it possible on CentOS? |
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| 01:58.37 | DaeJeon-novice | I did not try |
| 01:58.42 | emss | ok |
| 01:58.53 | DaeJeon-novice | I want to try on debian |
| 01:59.05 | pzn | DaeJeon-novice, then use IPTABLES, FORWARD, DNAT in the machine with connection, and use default gateway on other machine. you should find some howto in google |
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| 01:59.32 | pzn | DaeJeon-novice, it is the same way (or very similar) as any linux distribution. |
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| 02:00.00 | Mike_B_D | anyone assist me with connecting my new lapy with wireless,,NdisWrapper? |
| 02:00.04 | DaeJeon-novice | do I need cross cable to connect? |
| 02:00.16 | emss | DaeJeon-novice: you might want to check out the shorewall debian package, though I have never used it |
| 02:00.26 | pzn | karsten, any hint about the modem? |
| 02:00.28 | ajehuk | Mike_B_D Whats the card? |
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| 02:00.43 | clearscreen | Mike_B_D check lspci which chipset it is. good chance there's already a native driver for your chipset made/in dev |
| 02:00.43 | karsten | pzn: Nope. |
| 02:00.44 | claudioruiz | hi guys |
| 02:00.54 | pzn | DaeJeon-novice, one cross ethernet cable, or two cables and one hub |
| 02:01.00 | pzn | karsten, thanks! :) |
| 02:01.07 | Mike_B_D | ajehuk: damn I new that Q was coming,not 100% sure |
| 02:01.08 | karsten | pzn: NP ;-) |
| 02:01.28 | clearscreen | Mike_B_D: lspci |
| 02:01.36 | ajehuk | Mike_B_D : check clearscreen above - that was about to be my advice. sry :) |
| 02:01.44 | claudioruiz | im noob at debian and I have a problem, can someone help me_ |
| 02:01.52 | DaeJeon-novice | pzn: any ducumentation? |
| 02:01.52 | karsten | claudioruiz: Just ask |
| 02:01.55 | karsten | !tell claudioruiz about ask |
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| 02:02.26 | Mike_B_D | clearscreen: toshiba satellite a100 |
| 02:02.32 | Mike_B_D | is the lapy |
| 02:02.45 | claudioruiz | i have a problem with my x |
| 02:02.54 | clearscreen | type in lspci and put the output on pastebin |
| 02:03.24 | claudioruiz | i have a problem with my x server, i just cant enter to gnome |
| 02:03.51 | claudioruiz | appears as a xserver problem |
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| 02:04.23 | karsten | claudioruiz: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:04.25 | claudioruiz | now im on ubuntu live to get some help about my trouble |
| 02:04.36 | karsten | claudioruiz: ... and ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 02:05.21 | ajehuk | claudioruiz /join #flood |
| 02:05.25 | ajehuk | sorry |
| 02:05.43 | claudioruiz | the point is that as i cannot enter to gnome, im now on ubuntu live |
| 02:05.44 | pzn | DaeJeon-novice, http://focalinux.cipsga.org.br/guia/avancado/ch-fw-iptables.htm#s-fw-iptables-nat-fastmasquerade |
| 02:06.02 | pzn | DaeJeon-novice, that is what I have, but it is not in english... |
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| 02:06.26 | pzn | DaeJeon-novice, only section 10.4.2 will do what you need |
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| 02:06.35 | Mike_B_D | clearscreen: hmm ,,no such command? |
| 02:07.11 | clearscreen | lspci not Ispci btw :P |
| 02:07.37 | Mike_B_D | mikess |
| 02:07.57 | Mike_B_D | opps hell |
| 02:09.36 | Mike_B_D | clearscreen: will hardwire to connect,poste,brb |
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| 02:11.21 | claudioruiz | thanks for your help |
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| 02:11.52 | karsten | @wb phated |
| 02:11.54 | ravenbird | Welcome back phated, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of cheese. |
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| 02:15.29 | ice_cream | hi, i'm trying to use aptitude to upgrade all my packages except mplayer... aptitude keep mplayer doesnt seem to work, and aptitude dist-upgrade continues to put it on the list of files to upgrade |
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| 02:15.49 | emss | ice_cream: check out pinning |
| 02:15.55 | mrynit | i found this tut and its old like ther rest but it does talk about multiboot. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Multiboot-with-GRUB-2.html is there an easerir way than that? |
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| 02:16.08 | emss | mrynit: |
| 02:16.26 | ice_cream | "pin" is not in aptitude's man pages.. |
| 02:16.34 | mrynit | yes emss? |
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| 02:16.48 | emss | mrynit: install grub apt-get install grub and read the docs that come with it ;) |
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| 02:17.13 | mrynit | im getting a bit pissed at reading stuff then finding out how it wont help me |
| 02:17.22 | mrynit | but i guess i can try |
| 02:17.59 | ice_cream | it should be pretty easy once you have grub installed |
| 02:18.05 | DaeJeon-novice | how can I install gnom destop? |
| 02:18.21 | ajehuk | ice_cream : I think what you are after is a an /etc/apt/preferecnes file (someone correct me if not) if you search on that path in a searchengine you should get a decent tutoral somewhhere in the top 5 (been a while since I played with it and that was for downgrading so I'm probably not much help) |
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| 02:18.24 | DaeJeon-novice | what package do I need? |
| 02:18.25 | El_Guillermo | j bb4win |
| 02:18.29 | El_Guillermo | oops |
| 02:18.32 | El_Guillermo | sorry bout that |
| 02:18.36 | emss | ice_cream: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 02:18.37 | mrynit | DaeJeon-novic get a full debian CD |
| 02:18.45 | DaeJeon-novice | no no |
| 02:18.46 | emss | search for pin |
| 02:18.51 | DaeJeon-novice | I want to isntall from net |
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| 02:19.26 | mrynit | debian netistall distro |
| 02:19.29 | mrynit | its what i used |
| 02:19.32 | mrynit | no problems |
| 02:19.48 | emss | DaeJeon-novice: aptitude install gnome |
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| 02:20.08 | ice_cream | thx emss |
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| 02:22.14 | ice_cream | btw, ajehuk i just realized that googling that preferences file brings up that howto (#1 on my search) |
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| 02:22.23 | ice_cream | so ty as well =) |
| 02:22.40 | ajehuk | ice_cream - depends on the engine :) |
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| 02:24.08 | ice_cream | ajehuk, heh, what...do you mean the different google.<country code> ? |
| 02:24.27 | Mike-B_D | ok back |
| 02:24.33 | clearscreen | welcome back |
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| 02:25.03 | Mike-B_D | forgot the paste link clearscreen |
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| 02:25.26 | clearscreen | pastebin.com |
| 02:25.46 | ajehuk | ice_cream : I use MSN search - doesnt everyone? :) |
| 02:26.35 | ice_cream | oh, well i mentioned the word 'googling' above, so =P |
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| 02:26.59 | Mike-B_D | clearscreen: http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php |
| 02:27.20 | clearscreen | yea, submit it there :P |
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| 02:27.33 | ajehuk | ice_cream - the question is - was the tutoroial any use? |
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| 02:28.14 | Perdignus | Hallo |
| 02:28.24 | clearscreen | hi |
| 02:28.42 | ice_cream | ajehuk, we'll see... it requires several lines and perhaps some thinking... i'll get to the thinking part in a bit and get back to you =P |
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| 02:28.54 | ajehuk | lol |
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| 02:29.11 | Perdignus | I'd like to remove all X-related stuff from my sloooooww laptop, is there an easy way to do this? |
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| 02:30.02 | ice_cream | hmm it didnt seeme to work |
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| 02:30.13 | ice_cream | it still wants to upgrade mplayer =/ |
| 02:30.23 | ajehuk | ice_cream What have you put into your preference file? |
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| 02:30.38 | ajehuk | can you drop it into the paste bin? |
| 02:30.49 | ice_cream | just Package: <name> and then afterwards Version: <vers> |
| 02:31.05 | ice_cream | i mean Pin: version <version> |
| 02:31.21 | ajehuk | hold on let me look at mine :) |
| 02:32.00 | Mike-B_D | clearscreen: I keep getting an error |
| 02:32.11 | Mike-B_D | must be doing it wrong |
| 02:32.18 | clearscreen | error doing what? :) |
| 02:32.37 | Mike-B_D | pastebin when I send |
| 02:33.07 | Mike-B_D | 02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC |
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| 02:34.16 | ice_cream | ajehuk, i added Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 02:34.18 | ajehuk | lookss like the format is Package: <$package>. \r Pin: release a=</stable/tesing etc..> \r Pin-Priority: - <$ high number> | and then the same again with "Package" as * and "Pin-Ppiorty" lower, |
| 02:34.20 | clearscreen | your card is supported by the madwifi driver Mike-B_D |
| 02:34.20 | ice_cream | still doesnt work |
| 02:34.28 | clearscreen | you dont need to use ndiswrapper, it's supported natively |
| 02:34.35 | clearscreen | http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/GettingMadwifi |
| 02:34.42 | Mike-B_D | ok cheers |
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| 02:37.22 | Perdignus | Is there something like the choice during the Debian installer, but the oposite to remove X? |
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| 02:37.56 | ajehuk | Perdignus : what is it you wwant to remove - just the X server and related bits or a WM / DE as well? |
| 02:38.15 | ajehuk | (I know that one goes with the other but still..) |
| 02:38.30 | Perdignus | ajehuk: I'd like to remove X and all X-related managers and apps to recover disk space |
| 02:38.35 | ajehuk | ice_cream : im going to try and simulate what you want to do |
| 02:39.50 | DrWut | what's a good .pdf viewer? |
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| 02:39.55 | ajehuk | Perdignus in that case I would start with - as root, "apt-get remove kde xserver-xorg* "(or gnome and xfree) |
| 02:40.54 | Perdignus | ajehuk: cool, thanks man! I had no idea that was available as a command |
| 02:42.03 | thingfish | !apt-get remove x |
| 02:42.14 | thingfish | !remove x |
| 02:42.15 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 02:42.15 | ajehuk | DrWut : gpdf for a free app, or acoread for acrobat reader itself |
| 02:42.23 | ajehuk | thingfish : x* |
| 02:42.48 | ice_cream | ajehuk, well technically i'm running ubuntu at the moment, but since it was an aptitude question...but perhaps my distro doesnt use the preferences file |
| 02:42.57 | ajehuk | dpkg - thanks thats neater |
| 02:43.27 | ajehuk | ice_cream it should - apt is apt - can yyou ppaste your preferences file into the pastebin - as its working here for me |
| 02:43.45 | thingfish | ajehuk: dpkg is a bot. It knows lots of stuff. Feel free to /msg it. |
| 02:43.59 | ajehuk | thingfish : thanks :) |
| 02:44.04 | thingfish | np ;) |
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| 02:44.46 | DaeJeon-novice | how can i start gnome desktop from command line? |
| 02:45.48 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: you don't have gdm installed? |
| 02:45.57 | ajehuk | DaeJeon-novice - have you installed gdm xdm or kdm? |
| 02:46.21 | DaeJeon-novice | i am installing gnome now |
| 02:46.33 | DaeJeon-novice | do i need to intall? |
| 02:46.38 | thingfish | gdm installs separately |
| 02:46.46 | DaeJeon-novice | ok |
| 02:46.49 | thingfish | so yes, you'll need to tack it on there |
| 02:46.57 | DaeJeon-novice | what is the command to trigger |
| 02:47.11 | Mike-B_D | clearscreen: ok downloaded,Where to from here hhmmm |
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| 02:48.08 | clearscreen | I've never dealt with madwifi, but try if it's available on apt first |
| 02:48.11 | clearscreen | apt-get install madwifi |
| 02:48.24 | clearscreen | not sure though, don't have an atheros based card myself |
| 02:48.47 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: to trigger? what do you mean? |
| 02:49.10 | ajehuk | ice_cream : hows it going? |
| 02:49.17 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: if you mean what do you need to do to get gdm installed, just do apt-get install gdm |
| 02:49.41 | ice_cream | oh, got distracted for a bit |
| 02:49.56 | DaeJeon-novice | well I am in command prompt now |
| 02:50.10 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: how did you get gnome? |
| 02:50.22 | ajehuk | ice_cream - definatley works as advertised - just tested it, will eveen regress specific packages. |
| 02:50.23 | ice_cream | ajehuk, trying a variety of things for Pin: ; even * doesnt work |
| 02:50.33 | DaeJeon-novice | aptitude install gnome |
| 02:50.59 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: ok, if it's done, do apt-get (or aptitude) install gdm |
| 02:51.01 | ajehuk | ice_cream can you dump your /etc/apt/preferences into #flood? |
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| 02:51.25 | DaeJeon-novice | gnome done |
| 02:51.35 | ice_cream | ajehuk, just http://pastebin.ca/281836 |
| 02:51.42 | ice_cream | there's really nothing in there so far |
| 02:51.51 | ice_cream | i've tried putting the exact version |
| 02:51.53 | clearscreen | Mike-B_D, easiest way is to edit /etc/apt/sources.lst .. add the word "non-free" after each of the deb lines (not the security lines though), then do as su: apt-get update - apt-get install-madwifi-source - apt-get install madwifi-tools - m-a prepare - m-a a-i madwifi |
| 02:52.13 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: then all you have to do is install gdm and you're set. |
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| 02:52.33 | DaeJeon-novice | both done |
| 02:52.33 | thingfish | well, providing of course that you have x installed. |
| 02:53.11 | DaeJeon-novice | startx? |
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| 02:53.12 | DaeJeon-novice | reboot? |
| 02:53.24 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: have you installed x? which version of debian have you installed? |
| 02:53.49 | unseensoul | is it possible to mount a sata disk to my filesystem(which is stored in a ide disk)= |
| 02:53.52 | unseensoul | ? |
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| 02:55.11 | DaeJeon-novice | how can I check the version? |
| 02:55.16 | diilbert | I am getting a "cannot start kstartupconfig" error when running startx. |
| 02:55.19 | diilbert | Any ideas ? |
| 02:55.32 | DaeJeon-novice | command? |
| 02:55.34 | ajehuk | ice_cream : http://pastebin.ca/281842 |
| 02:56.27 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: does "sarge" ring a bell? or maybe "etch"? |
| 02:56.37 | ajehuk | ice_cream : FYI it also works in reverse... -> havent had this much fun since accidentally ddoing a dist upgrade to experimental... |
| 02:56.42 | ice_cream | why do i need the second pin? |
| 02:56.47 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: do cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:57.04 | ice_cream | isnt that to hold back all packages to testing? |
| 02:57.08 | ajehuk | ice_cream : onee to tell it what to do with mplayer and one for your other packages I think |
| 02:57.22 | ajehuk | pick whatever you want for your other packages |
| 02:57.31 | DaeJeon-novice | 3.1 |
| 02:57.46 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: ok well I believe that would be sarge. |
| 02:57.54 | ajehuk | ice_cream: what release are you using? |
| 02:58.07 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: did you install x? |
| 02:58.14 | DaeJeon-novice | but I installed from net |
| 02:58.32 | DaeJeon-novice | no |
| 02:58.37 | DaeJeon-novice | command? |
| 02:58.43 | ajehuk | DaeJeon-novice : does xinit do aything? |
| 02:58.46 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: just do this: apt-get install x-window-system |
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| 02:58.58 | DaeJeon-novice | ok |
| 02:59.15 | DaeJeon-novice | installing |
| 03:00.19 | thingfish | actually I should have just had you do tasksel at the command prompt and choose "Desktop Environment". |
| 03:00.40 | thingfish | that will get you both gnome and kde |
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| 03:00.56 | thingfish | and x, and everything else nifty for a desktop workstation. |
| 03:01.01 | frank_b | I've just installed debian and want to start using a modem/router I've just buyed. the instructions say to just plug the modem and access a web page number. I get an error message saying that either the servr is busy or the network connection has a problem. all the lights that should be on are on. do I have to configure anything in my fresh install to start using the modem/router? |
| 03:01.48 | ajehuk | ice_cream - you cann also use "Pin: version X.X.XXX" to hold mplayer and then use whatever your normal release is for * |
| 03:02.59 | ice_cream | it just doesnt seem to listen to my wildcards |
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| 03:03.44 | ajehuk | ice_cream : can you paste your new preferences file again? |
| 03:04.34 | DaeJeon-novice | thingfish: it is asking abt keyboard model |
| 03:04.42 | miraterre | can some kind soul help me with a kernel recompile? I did a menuconfig and then "make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-2.6.17-2-686 kernel_image" - it compiled, but made references to my former version: "make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16' |
| 03:04.43 | miraterre | ====== making target debian/linux-image-2.6.16-2.6.17-2-686 [new prereqs: ]======" |
| 03:04.43 | miraterre | What should I do? |
| 03:05.10 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: what kind of keyboard are you using? normally, the defaults are good to go with. |
| 03:06.13 | DaeJeon-novice | sumsang |
| 03:06.20 | ice_cream | ajehuk, i dont think it will work... when i do an aptitude show on a package, there is no Pin: line anyway.. |
| 03:06.48 | frank_b | what do I have to do to start using an ADSL modem/router in debian? |
| 03:06.57 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: what I mean is that a pc104 type keyboard? us english standard keyboard? |
| 03:07.16 | ajehuk | frank_b - how are you connnecting the router to the PC? |
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| 03:07.37 | frank_b | ajehuk: through an ethernet cable~ |
| 03:07.37 | DaeJeon-novice | yes |
| 03:08.13 | ajehuk | ice_cream : woorks here in debian and the code base is the same - Im testing using apt rather than aptitude - but that shouldnt matter (I Think) can you report your preferencces file? |
| 03:08.18 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: then pretty much just keep hitting Enter and OK |
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| 03:08.35 | ice_cream | i changed it back |
| 03:08.39 | ice_cream | looking for another solution |
| 03:08.51 | ice_cream | i expected just an -ignore switch or something |
| 03:09.04 | diilbert | What is the dcopserver ? I cannot seem to find the service/app to install... kde instal complaining that it is not running |
| 03:09.28 | ajehuk | ice_cream : OK - but thats worrking - under debian and under ubuntu 5.10 (live cd but still) |
| 03:09.52 | ice_cream | finally i think it came back to me |
| 03:09.56 | ajehuk | frank_b can you do a ifconfig as root and look for eth0 |
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| 03:10.03 | ice_cream | aptitude hold mplayer .... |
| 03:10.22 | ajehuk | ice_cream : - lol nice and easy - sorry i dont use aptitude :) |
| 03:10.39 | ice_cream | heh, thx anyway, but stop using msn search! |
| 03:10.51 | frank_b | ajehuk: I don't what that is, can you give me a link about it? |
| 03:10.56 | ajehuk | ice_cream : that may have been a little white lie |
| 03:11.10 | ice_cream | ok, wasnt sure if you were sarcastic or not |
| 03:11.15 | DaeJeon-novice | thingfish: done |
| 03:11.19 | frank_b | ajehuk: * don't know/ don't know what you mean~ |
| 03:11.23 | DaeJeon-novice | now do i need to reboot? |
| 03:11.29 | ajehuk | frank_b : Right OK hold on- |
| 03:11.38 | frank_b | ajehuk: ok, thanks |
| 03:11.47 | ajehuk | frank_b : could you open a terminal window? |
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| 03:12.08 | thingfish | DaeJeon-novice: no, not really. just do /etc/init.d/gdm start |
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| 03:12.16 | frank_b | ajehuk: I'm in my windows partition right now |
| 03:12.50 | frank_b | ajehuk: using my old ADSL modem. not sure if I can make it work in debian |
| 03:12.56 | ice_cream | random q.... gentoo or debian? |
| 03:13.01 | ajehuk | Oh ok - I cant help you with that Its been a long while since I used windows - |
| 03:13.16 | ajehuk | frank_b : do you have debian installed? |
| 03:13.47 | frank_b | ajehuk: that's ok then. I think I have an alternative |
| 03:13.51 | frank_b | ajehuk: yes |
| 03:13.52 | DaeJeon-novice | coult not start |
| 03:13.52 | ajehuk | ice_cream : computers are for work not games.... |
| 03:13.57 | thingfish | hah |
| 03:14.11 | thingfish | computers are a toy in and of themselves |
| 03:14.12 | ice_cream | every moment is fun for me |
| 03:14.56 | ice_cream | after that comment, ajehuk, i guess you haven't realized the full potential of computers =P |
| 03:15.03 | ajehuk | frank_b : if its a connection via ethernet you should have no problems with debian - if you boot into debian I could walk you through any issues you run into - if there are any |
| 03:15.26 | ajehuk | frank_b : thats assuming there is nothing wrong with the router of ccourrse... |
| 03:16.00 | frank_b | ajehuk: the problem is that I seem to not have a connection in debian |
| 03:16.31 | diilbert | any ideas? |
| 03:16.31 | ajehuk | frank_b : if you boot into debian we could have a look at that for you |
| 03:16.38 | ajehuk | ice_cream : pah - the only games I play involve snes9x |
| 03:16.59 | ajehuk | ice_cream : and thats on my multimedia box... - doesnt count as a computer... |
| 03:17.39 | miraterre | does anyone have a suggestion for my make-kpkg referencing an old version during a kernel recompile? |
| 03:17.43 | emss | best games in debian are wesnoth and tremulous :) |
| 03:18.13 | frank_b | ajehuk: it's in this computer also, but in another partition, and I'm not sure if I can make this old ADSL modem work in debian |
| 03:18.31 | frank_b | ajehuk: thanks for your help, but I think I have a better alternative |
| 03:18.42 | ajehuk | frank_b : OK - no probs. |
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| 03:18.55 | frank_b | ajehuk: which is simpler than to try to make this old adsl modem work in debian |
| 03:19.19 | frank_b | ajehuk: yes, sorry for your time and thanks very much for your help :) |
| 03:19.53 | ice_cream | ajehuk, zsnes, man |
| 03:19.58 | ajehuk | frank_b : s' OK |
| 03:20.01 | ice_cream | ajehuk, what is this snes9x crap =P |
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| 03:20.20 | ajehuk | ice_cream : works wonderfully on a rather old box |
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| 03:21.27 | ice_cream | i guess |
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| 03:21.38 | ajehuk | ice_cream: think unisis aquanta - but it has a reediculously low form factor so nice for the purpose |
| 03:22.42 | ice_cream | lol |
| 03:22.55 | ajehuk | ice_cream - sorry not snes9x thats what Ive been trying to get running on my ipaq I meantt ddgen |
| 03:22.59 | ajehuk | *dgen |
| 03:23.15 | ice_cream | oh, genesis...good stuff |
| 03:23.23 | ajehuk | which I cannot get running on my palm, |
| 03:23.25 | ajehuk | sadly |
| 03:23.48 | ajehuk | palm == ipaq in my heead for som reason - force of habit probably |
| 03:25.09 | ice_cream | supersensitive 't' and 'e' already? |
| 03:25.44 | ajehuk | the damn thing is unresponsive yet over sensitive - kills my touch typing |
| 03:26.19 | ajehuk | my code quality has diminished somewhat |
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| 03:27.44 | ajehuk | back in a mo |
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| 03:35.00 | emss | so |
| 03:36.07 | emss | I am trying to use module-assistant to install the nvidia driver but, I want to modify the nvidia driver Makefile, but after doing so module-assistant re-extracts the archive which then overwrites the modified Makefile, is there anyway to bypass extracting just begin compile? |
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| 03:37.55 | ajehals-lappy | emss : no real idea but - can you drop your changes back into the archive thats being extracted by module_-assistant? |
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| 03:49.20 | ajehals-lappy | Question - Ive just downgraded sysvinit from testing to stable - and upgraded again after some issues with other packages that it turns out I want - and now I am seeing errors that indicate that "pidof" and "mktemp" do not exist (which they dont), pidof should be part of the sysvinit package I believe - not sure about mktemp, any ideas? |
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| 03:49.55 | eduhat | hey guys |
| 03:50.03 | ajehals-lappy | hey eduhat |
| 03:50.38 | eduhat | wats up? |
| 03:50.44 | emss | ajehals-lappy: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search mktemp |
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| 03:51.26 | ajehals-lappy | thanks emss - Ill have a look - how did your module issue go? |
| 03:51.34 | emss | haven't tried that yet |
| 03:51.38 | emss | wanted to avoid that |
| 03:52.00 | hodgman | anyone know of a good and fairly easy to follow "how-to" to config exim4, spam filtering, pop/imap with ssl support? |
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| 03:56.08 | eduhat | exit |
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| 03:58.48 | ajehals-lappy | emss : thanks - looks like I was missing debianutils - which is strange but hey, - didnt know about apt-file so thanks for that too. |
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| 04:01.57 | ajehals-lappy | emss: cancel that - something strange going on.. |
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| 04:02.23 | emss | ? |
| 04:03.07 | ajehals-lappy | \/bin/mktemp is part of the package mktemp, which is installed but there is no /bin/mktemp... |
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| 04:03.53 | krazykit | ok, so i've got this usb drive that refuses to partition. i can't fdisk it, i can't use parted on it. is there any way to get around this problem? dmesg and /var/log/messages are not showing anything that could be problematic |
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| 04:04.32 | ajehals-lappy | and /bin/pidof is part of the package pidof, which is also installed but there is no /bin/pidof... |
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| 04:05.01 | ajehals-lappy | emss : ^^ so Im stumped... |
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| 04:09.41 | displaced | i've got a problem and i'm not sure how to solve it |
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| 04:10.08 | displaced | when i install a package using apt-get install, it goes to /etc/package-name |
| 04:10.22 | ajehals-lappy | emss - Found the issue I have some dependency issues after the downgrade that I apparently didnt solve - thanks for your help. |
| 04:10.40 | displaced | when i install it using make install it goes to /usr/local/package-name |
| 04:10.51 | pzn | displaced, use "dpkg -L packagename" to know where the package goes to... |
| 04:10.51 | ajehals-lappy | displaced - does it do that all the time or only when you use a wildcard? |
| 04:10.58 | displaced | how come and how do i fix this? |
| 04:11.23 | displaced | it does it all the time, i'm using kernel 2.6.18 and debian unstable |
| 04:11.41 | ajehals-lappy | - its alright mis read your question I think - sorry |
| 04:12.13 | pzn | displaced, this is OK. all software compiled by the user (with make install) goes to /usr/local or /var/local, ... |
| 04:12.42 | displaced | i understand that, but i need the package to be in /etc/package-name |
| 04:12.52 | pzn | is there an freenode chanel for modem questions? |
| 04:13.45 | displaced | is there anyway to have it install correctly? |
| 04:14.03 | pzn | displaced, you can try this: mkdir /tmp/mydir; make install DESTDIR=/tmp/mydir |
| 04:14.23 | pzn | displaced, the package will be installed in /tmp/mydir, then you move the files to the place you want to... |
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| 04:15.18 | displaced | ok, that makes sense but there should be a way to just have it install the correct way. i'm trying to set up squid 2.5 instead of 2.6 |
| 04:15.42 | cusco | make love not war |
| 04:16.05 | displaced | 2.6 has altered the options so that using webmin to administer it, causes it to crash |
| 04:16.50 | displaced | i personally would rather use 2.6, but this is for a local theater and digging through that long options file is beyond their IT person |
| 04:17.07 | DaeJeon-novice | #/sbin/chkconfig --add openvxi |
| 04:17.33 | DaeJeon-novice | what does it mean? |
| 04:18.13 | displaced | any ideas? |
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| 04:19.21 | krazykit | i can't do /anything/ to this media card. i can't fdisk -l (dmesg says it can't read a partition table), i can't cat or dd to or from the card. is there any way to fix this? i just need a filesystem on there. |
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| 04:23.19 | ajehals-lappy | krazykit : fdisk should let you re-write the partition table |
| 04:23.41 | krazykit_ | ehm... |
| 04:23.55 | krazykit_ | trying to write to the card just hard-locked my system |
| 04:24.09 | ajehals-lappy | hmm |
| 04:24.23 | ajehals-lappy | dont bother with an fsck then.... |
| 04:24.37 | krazykit | let's try NOT running fsck this time. |
| 04:24.41 | emss | woot |
| 04:24.44 | emss | give it up for linux |
| 04:24.52 | emss | another bug |
| 04:24.54 | emss | :) |
| 04:24.57 | ajehals-lappy | goody |
| 04:25.22 | ajehals-lappy | emss - by the way - still no pidof or mktemp and I just hosed my init... |
| 04:25.39 | krazykit | bleh, windows was failing even worse earlier. the camera gave up too. |
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| 04:25.53 | emss | ajehals-lappy: aptitude reinstall init |
| 04:25.58 | emss | or whatever package has init |
| 04:26.30 | ajehals-lappy | emss - cant - depends on mktemp - as does quite a lot else I think - everything fails on "cannot find /bin/mktemp" ... |
| 04:27.04 | ajehals-lappy | krazykit : anything in dmesg or syslog when you insert the card? |
| 04:27.14 | krazykit | ajehals-lappy: there was, lemme grab it |
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| 04:28.17 | emss | ajehals-lappy: dpkg |
| 04:28.19 | krazykit | ajehals-lappy: uh, it's gone, now, the error. |
| 04:28.38 | ajehals-lappy | emss - I think there is a reference to mktemp in the config script... |
| 04:28.47 | krazykit | oh nice. it has a partition table. |
| 04:29.06 | ajehals-lappy | krazykit : thats what I like to see on a media card! :) |
| 04:29.26 | ajehals-lappy | emss : Im probably just doing something stupid - but I cant figure out what |
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| 04:30.59 | emss | ajehals-lappy: install mktemp pkg |
| 04:31.04 | emss | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mktemp&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
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| 04:32.17 | ajehals-lappy | emss : yeah I spotted that - its installed - i.e. mktemp is already the newest version, dpkg-reconfigure mktemp does nothing - how do I reinstall the same version again? |
| 04:32.31 | emss | why reinstall? |
| 04:32.37 | emss | if it's already installed |
| 04:32.50 | emss | show some errors |
| 04:32.55 | ajehals-lappy | because /bin/mktemp that its supposed to supply isnt there |
| 04:33.08 | emss | haha |
| 04:33.12 | emss | yeh reinstall then |
| 04:33.19 | emss | use dpkg |
| 04:33.30 | emss | the archives are in /var/cache/apt/ I think |
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| 04:35.26 | ajehals-lappy | they are but I autoclean regularily... so mktemp isnt... and if I try and remove it I need to remove pretty much *everything* a reinstall in place would be god but I cant remember how to do that - as for errors : http://pastebin.ca/281943 |
| 04:35.45 | ajehals-lappy | emss: sorry ^^ |
| 04:36.15 | ajehals-lappy | any thoughts? |
| 04:36.44 | krazykit | ajehals-lappy: aptitude reinstall |
| 04:36.58 | ajehals-lappy | aaah - I really should start using aptitude |
| 04:37.38 | ajehals-lappy | thank you very very very much krazykit - thatas done it! |
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| 04:38.11 | ajehals-lappy | now all I need to do is find out what else I broke downgrading and upgrading - thanks emss too - apt-file is rather handy too |
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| 04:39.08 | ajehals-lappy | mrTr0ut : generally yeah |
| 04:39.59 | jmd | Can somebody remind me of the correct way to alter the /usr/bin/sensible-* links |
| 04:40.55 | MikeDubb_ | part |
| 04:40.58 | MikeDubb_ | part/part |
| 04:41.01 | MikeDubb_ | jesus. |
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| 04:41.07 | ajehals-lappy | lol # |
| 04:42.20 | krazykit | oh ffs. i can't do /anything/ to this card. i'm not getting i/o errors. i think it's time to just buy a new one |
| 04:42.40 | krazykit | er, i am getting i/o errors. |
| 04:43.07 | ajehals-lappy | krazykit : if its sd - then Ive had similar after not unmounting it - cf then Ive never seen one go that bad but I guess its possible |
| 04:43.55 | ajehals-lappy | but hey dd makes the whole backup - restore thing painless at least. - assuming you need to / have backed stuff up |
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| 04:44.11 | krazykit | ajehals-lappy: it's xD |
| 04:44.30 | ajehals-lappy | whoa - dont get all modern on me! |
| 04:44.31 | krazykit | ajehals-lappy: nah, i got everything important from it already, so i'm not losing data. just forty bucks |
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| 04:44.58 | ajehals-lappy | just think of the benefits - you can get a bigger one! |
| 04:45.09 | krazykit | no, i think i had the biggest |
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| 04:49.21 | ajehals-lappy | ewl : your not a dev on this project by any chance are you? |
| 04:49.26 | ajehals-lappy | sorry X-post |
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| 04:51.17 | |Ads| | Hello, Im new with debian, and I've already did some finds at google, but im still dont know how to load in the grub.conf my bzimage and system map >< |
| 04:51.49 | ajehals-lappy | krazykit : thanks again - thats all my problems solved with aptitude - and a fully working desktop again! ta |
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| 04:53.57 | displaced | ok that didn't work |
| 04:54.11 | displaced | it still points to user/local/squid |
| 04:54.19 | krazykit | ajehals-lappy: aptitude is awesome :-D |
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| 04:57.05 | |Ads| | can grub boot a bzimage kernel? |
| 04:58.16 | displaced | |Ads|: why are trying to install it this way? |
| 04:58.28 | displaced | are building a new kernel? |
| 04:58.30 | |Ads| | nope |
| 04:58.36 | displaced | are you building |
| 04:58.37 | |Ads| | I have an old bzimage kernel that I used with lilo |
| 04:58.45 | displaced | ok |
| 04:58.51 | |Ads| | and the system.map file |
| 04:58.59 | displaced | not sure that will work |
| 04:59.23 | |Ads| | should I compile a new one? |
| 04:59.24 | displaced | how did you end up with grub? |
| 04:59.37 | |Ads| | well, Ive done apt-get remove lilo and apt-get install grub |
| 04:59.38 | displaced | did you switch to unstable? |
| 04:59.44 | |Ads| | nope, it is grub from stable |
| 04:59.50 | displaced | wow |
| 05:00.32 | displaced | ok, you should be able to go into /boot/grub and edit the menu.list file to add the bzimage file |
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| 05:00.54 | |Ads| | yes, the thing while rebooting, im not sure if my config is right |
| 05:01.15 | displaced | you rebooted before fixing this? |
| 05:01.19 | displaced | whoops |
| 05:01.29 | ajehals-lappy | not fair.. !! |
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| 05:01.51 | displaced | i've done that a couple of times. not fun |
| 05:01.58 | |Ads| | yes, but I can take it on back :p |
| 05:02.02 | |Ads| | from network bootup |
| 05:02.20 | mrynit | my question is so big i had to put it here http://pastebin.ca/281953 please read it and give it a try |
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| 05:03.03 | |Ads| | this is my config: I have the grub-install /dev/hda, and a /boot at /dev/hda3 - http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/6QcEJy27.html |
| 05:03.19 | displaced | ok, the easiest way i have found to do what you are trying to do is to switch from stable to unstable, it automatically installs grub |
| 05:03.53 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : just an aside - have you looked at the C64 emulation packages available for debian? |
| 05:04.22 | displaced | oh my god ajehals-lappy that takes me so far back it ain't funny! |
| 05:04.29 | |Ads| | displaced, i prefer to have stable, since it will be a production server |
| 05:04.50 | mrynit | no i use 64HDD which make the PC harddrive look like a C64 haddrive |
| 05:04.51 | displaced | good point there |Ads| |
| 05:05.01 | mrynit | so you can send file between PC and C64 |
| 05:05.49 | |Ads| | grub-install /dev/hda should be pointed to the mbr? |
| 05:06.11 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : fair enough - cant see why your boot loader was over written - is the system still in the state that is implied by the question? i.e. with debian still installed but not bootable through grub (as its gone?) |
| 05:06.34 | mrynit | no i formated it and put debian on the whole thing |
| 05:07.08 | mrynit | win98 is a pian to install on a partioned harddrive. I dont think you can even do it |
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| 05:07.22 | mrynit | and im not sure is installing DOS would be any easier |
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| 05:10.00 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : I've never dual booted with 98 - but if you look at http://aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm - there is a win9x specific section right at the bottom - looks like there may be some hoops to jump through.. |
| 05:10.16 | mrynit | fuck windows |
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| 05:10.40 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : you could always use qemu and emulate. |
| 05:10.49 | mfrisch | mrynit: here's to that |
| 05:11.03 | mrynit | emulate debian? |
| 05:11.12 | karsten | mrynit: If you must (and there's a multi-boot howto which gives the process), you generally first install win98, then anything else. |
| 05:11.14 | mrynit | i could just give up on debian and go windows |
| 05:11.23 | karsten | mrynit: Emulate win98 |
| 05:11.49 | ajehals-lappy | emulate windows on debian so that you can emulate your C64 stuff |
| 05:11.58 | ajehals-lappy | on windows - |
| 05:12.12 | karsten | ajehals-lappy: Isn't there a c64 emulo for Linux? |
| 05:12.16 | ajehals-lappy | hmm - thatl probably break something - but at least it'll be interesting |
| 05:12.36 | mfrisch | What's a legal way to get back at someone for spaming you all day? you no 200+ email from an friend of a friend |
| 05:12.41 | ajehals-lappy | karsten : I suggested it but it may not be feature complete for what is required in this instance... |
| 05:12.52 | mrynit | i did say i can use emu cause i need hardware ports |
| 05:12.57 | |Ads| | mfrisch, fbi maybe |
| 05:13.00 | karsten | adamt: xmess |
| 05:13.31 | |Ads| | if you want send me the mail headers with ip, and I will report to a lot of rbls |
| 05:14.04 | mfrisch | |Ads|: then they would see my file...eewh |
| 05:14.12 | |Ads| | hide it |
| 05:14.27 | |Ads| | you need only to send text to them |
| 05:15.00 | mfrisch | |Ads|: give me a sec... |
| 05:15.27 | |Ads| | but it is only spamming you or is ube? |
| 05:16.08 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : did any of that help? |
| 05:16.10 | |Ads| | a better way can be sending a mail to abuse |
| 05:16.17 | mrynit | i cant use emu |
| 05:16.23 | mrynit | i havent read the artical yet |
| 05:16.54 | ajehals-lappy | what hardware do you need access to for the C64 emulation?? |
| 05:17.25 | mrynit | printer port SPP mode |
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| 05:20.32 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit: looking at QEMU - you can use the paralell port direcly in the emulated OS, that should work - if you have debian running now it may be worth your while to have a look - QEMU is well documented, the switch you want is " -serial $dev" where $dev is your paralell port |
| 05:20.36 | |Ads| | grgr I will go crazy with grub |
| 05:21.31 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : documentation states that only SPP is supported but that meets your requirementds from what I can see |
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| 05:22.00 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| - you getting anywhere with your bootloader? |
| 05:22.03 | mrynit | yeah im not to sure about the C64 emu software im using. i thought it was only for 8 bit printer ports |
| 05:22.19 | mrynit | i thought i used it on a non 8 bit one |
| 05:22.53 | emss | mrynit: I don't like grub and use lilo instead :) |
| 05:22.58 | |Ads| | nope, just wait again for a reboot from network, 30 min >< |
| 05:23.00 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : if you run win98 in QEMU and your C64 emulator on top of that it should be transparrent |
| 05:23.26 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : I know it a bit round-about but it does have some advantages. |
| 05:24.01 | ajehals-lappy | at least XP and Debian will play nice on the dual-boot side. |
| 05:24.04 | mfrisch | |Ads|: he's spamming me he thinks Im interested in his course and wants me to do alot of work in trade so I don't even answer any more than some bull about something else all day long today. He just went online with their .com |
| 05:24.15 | mrynit | the emu cant run in GUI must be run from DOS. |
| 05:24.26 | mrynit | would that be possible? |
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| 05:24.57 | |Ads| | mfrisch, from what domain he is sending the mails? |
| 05:25.02 | |Ads| | it is a generic domain like hotmail? |
| 05:25.18 | |Ads| | ahh |
| 05:25.20 | |Ads| | .com |
| 05:25.34 | |Ads| | well, you can report it to the ip network owner |
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| 05:25.40 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : if you are emulating Win98 in QEMU it should be, as QEMU will appear to 98 as if it were installed on its own - so if you can do it with 98 on a standalone PC then you *should* be able to do it in QEMU with the paralell port redirected as per what I said above. |
| 05:26.16 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : its certainly worth a try - I use QEMU quite a lot and it tends to work just fine |
| 05:26.23 | mrynit | normalying I would reboot in DOS mode in win98 |
| 05:26.30 | mfrisch | |Ads|: he is part of black belt training (six sigma whatever) he is his own domain. Well I don't know who hosts it. give me a sec |
| 05:27.07 | mfrisch | |Ads|: daymond.cox@isssc3.com |
| 05:27.25 | mrynit | in the meen time im going to try this all over agina with a different computer |
| 05:27.51 | |Ads| | servermatrix |
| 05:28.03 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : you should be able to reboot into dos mode within QEMU with 98 installed - |
| 05:28.13 | |Ads| | owner of the network is http://www.rr.com/index.cfm |
| 05:28.49 | mfrisch | |Ads|: throught rr business? |
| 05:28.55 | |Ads| | yep |
| 05:29.06 | |Ads| | anyway |
| 05:29.11 | |Ads| | you should check the IP of the mailserver |
| 05:29.17 | |Ads| | maybe the domain is www pointed to rr.com |
| 05:29.18 | mfrisch | |Ads|: thanks |
| 05:29.24 | |Ads| | but the mailserver is in another isp/provider |
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| 05:30.22 | ajehals-lappy | mrynit : or you could ignore 98 and just install DOS 6.22 within QEMU and do it that way - gets rid of some of the overhead, - you could even go so far as to use a real drive partition within QEMU for DOS so you have full access to the DOS/98 Partition from Debian and XP |
| 05:30.41 | mfrisch | |Ads|: well. nessus is not an option ;+) |
| 05:30.44 | ajehals-lappy | - even when the DOS box is off |
| 05:31.21 | |Ads| | mail server is hosted in another server |
| 05:31.28 | |Ads| | it is at the planet |
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| 05:32.30 | mfrisch | |Ads|: I can't beleive they let this many through it was every two min from 8:30-4:00 |
| 05:32.32 | |Ads| | abuse@theplanet.com ip: 67.19.45.249 rdns=hamilton-ohio.com |
| 05:32.45 | |Ads| | you still getting emails now? |
| 05:32.49 | mfrisch | no |
| 05:32.54 | Mike_B_D | Where do I find the .inf file for ndiswrapper? |
| 05:33.08 | Mike_B_D | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.17 | ajehals-lappy | Mike_B_D - no luck with madwifi? |
| 05:33.25 | Mike_B_D | no |
| 05:33.38 | Mike_B_D | but i do want to try ndis... |
| 05:33.41 | ajehals-lappy | sorry to hear that Im about to look at that too... |
| 05:33.59 | mfrisch | Mike_B_D: what didn't work? |
| 05:34.25 | Mike_B_D | mfrisch: probably me! |
| 05:34.48 | mfrisch | Mike_B_D: what didn't work for you? |
| 05:35.23 | Mike_B_D | I had probs installing |
| 05:35.37 | Mike_B_D | could not find it in synaptic |
| 05:35.55 | mfrisch | synaptic? |
| 05:36.07 | jnguy | apt front end |
| 05:36.15 | mfrisch | oh |
| 05:36.27 | jnguy | and you definitely won't find it in apt |
| 05:36.35 | |Ads| | please, anybody shot me xD |
| 05:36.37 | jnguy | well, any debian repository anyways. |
| 05:36.40 | mfrisch | madwifi non-free?? |
| 05:36.51 | jnguy | I don't think so. |
| 05:37.01 | jnguy | I remember tinkering with this a while ago... |
| 05:37.05 | jnguy | look for ndiswrapper |
| 05:37.31 | mfrisch | I got it on my router at home. for a pci card |
| 05:37.44 | jnguy | errr. |
| 05:37.46 | jnguy | Sorry |
| 05:37.50 | jnguy | madwifi is free. |
| 05:37.55 | jnguy | I was confusing it with something else. |
| 05:38.32 | mfrisch | maybe no src line in sources? |
| 05:38.33 | jnguy | err.. I should've read more of the back log. |
| 05:38.34 | |Ads| | umm, anybody know if Grub can start bzimages? |
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| 05:39.43 | mfrisch | jnguy: someone was saying they couldn't find madwifi |
| 05:39.47 | sjr | Upon installing mysql-server-5 I am being asked told that applications running on debian cannot connect to the mysql server securly |
| 05:39.49 | sjr | is this true? |
| 05:40.17 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| - I think so - at least Im fairly certain it can - seen it on a fedora box possibly |
| 05:40.46 | jnguy | madwifi-tools |
| 05:41.11 | Mike_B_D | and "common? |
| 05:41.19 | Mike_B_D | ok installed |
| 05:41.40 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| - yeah it can |
| 05:41.55 | mfrisch | Mike_B_D: you need the kernel mod as well or build one or whatever |
| 05:42.01 | |Ads| | well, anybody shot me, I cant start it >< |
| 05:42.25 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| - do you get an error? |
| 05:42.35 | |Ads| | yep, but I cant see it, it is a dedicated server |
| 05:42.57 | ajehals-lappy | ah - because that would be really useful... |
| 05:43.10 | |Ads| | im sure it is since config is really wrong |
| 05:43.16 | |Ads| | wrong /dev/hdaXX |
| 05:43.22 | Mike_B_D | run ndis from terminal? |
| 05:44.19 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| - what can you do with the problem machine as far as access is concerned? I mean is a boot from a live CD possible? - cause that would make it an easy fix.... |
| 05:44.32 | |Ads| | I can boot the machine from network |
| 05:45.17 | ajehals-lappy | so you can get onto a running machine? |
| 05:45.18 | |Ads| | yes |
| 05:45.18 | ajehals-lappy | running linux? stupid question but still... |
| 05:45.38 | |Ads| | booting the system, sec :p |
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| 05:47.08 | |Ads| | ok, linux back |
| 05:47.38 | ajehals-lappy | what does fdisk -l tell you about the machines disk configuration of anything? |
| 05:49.13 | displaced | |Ads|: I'm sorry, i'm dealing with something stupid too |
| 05:49.30 | displaced | have you checked you syslog to see what it says about the error? |
| 05:49.46 | |Ads| | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YToq0b76.html |
| 05:49.51 | ajehals-lappy | is syslog written too that early? |
| 05:51.08 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| whats the contents of /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:51.15 | |Ads| | i cant see anything strange in syslog |
| 05:51.44 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| - if its falling down at the Grub stage - will it even start to write to the syslog? |
| 05:52.21 | |Ads| | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/f8iAHw56.html |
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| 05:54.14 | |Ads| | Dec 17 06:45:51 servidor2 kernel: Cannot find map file. |
| 05:54.14 | |Ads| | Dec 17 06:45:51 servidor2 kernel: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. |
| 05:54.26 | ajehals-lappy | Ah |
| 05:54.58 | ajehals-lappy | menu.lst looks ok - I take it that bzimage is in / not /boot |
| 05:55.00 | ajehals-lappy | ?? |
| 05:55.15 | |Ads| | I have bzimage in /boot/ |
| 05:55.37 | |Ads| | /dev/hda3 92M 6,3M 81M 8% /boot |
| 05:57.15 | ajehals-lappy | change the path in the menu.lst to reflect the position of the kernel image relative to / then I think - mine is at least - kernel /boot/vmlinu..... |
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| 05:57.37 | ajehals-lappy | the map file ... |
| 05:57.47 | |Ads| | ok, changed |
| 05:58.04 | ajehals-lappy | is there a device.map in /boot/grub? |
| 05:58.22 | |Ads| | System.map |
| 05:58.40 | ajehals-lappy | can you paste the contents? |
| 05:58.55 | |Ads| | c01e8d50 t nlm4clt_encode_void |
| 05:58.55 | |Ads| | c01e8d70 t nlm4clt_decode_void |
| 05:58.59 | |Ads| | a lot of things |
| 05:59.03 | ajehals-lappy | hmmm |
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| 05:59.58 | LowStream | Anyone here and know alot about the 3.1r4 release ? |
| 06:00.03 | displaced | so you do not have a initrd.img file at all? |
| 06:00.09 | |Ads| | nope |
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| 06:00.16 | |Ads| | bzimage and System.map :p |
| 06:00.18 | ajehals-lappy | displaced : is one required? |
| 06:00.50 | displaced | i don't think so if he has a bzimage, but it's been a long time since i used that format |
| 06:01.01 | ajehals-lappy | if you are not using a ramdisk I dont think one is needed |
| 06:01.19 | ajehals-lappy | the system.map - looks like its referencing either scsi or iscsi nodes... |
| 06:01.20 | displaced | the forth line in my menu.lst is a reference to that file |
| 06:01.23 | ajehals-lappy | possibly |
| 06:01.45 | LowStream | Anyone here installed 3.1r4 from the CDs not dvds ? |
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| 06:02.14 | displaced | LowStream: why are you doing it from cds? do you have a network card in that machine? |
| 06:02.17 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| you dont have any initrd.img* files in /boot though? |
| 06:02.29 | |Ads| | nope ajehals-lappy |
| 06:02.42 | LowStream | nope no network card only a modem its a laptop |
| 06:02.47 | LowStream | an older laptop |
| 06:02.50 | displaced | hmmm, |Ads| how much ram does this machine have? |
| 06:02.55 | ajehals-lappy | hmm, Does the system.map reference (hd0) anywhere? |
| 06:02.56 | |Ads| | 256MB |
| 06:02.59 | displaced | hmmm |
| 06:03.11 | |Ads| | nope ajehals-lappy |
| 06:03.38 | displaced | using grub, i've run into an issue if i don't have an initrd installed |
| 06:03.44 | displaced | system freezes |
| 06:03.56 | displaced | but it shouldn't be that hard to create one |
| 06:04.08 | LowStream | Im running into issues of getting X to run hehe |
| 06:04.17 | |Ads| | should I compile a new kernel? |
| 06:04.18 | displaced | LowStream: how old is this machine? |
| 06:04.30 | ajehals-lappy | displaced : should be able to boot to stage 1 without initrd though |
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| 06:04.41 | ajehals-lappy | then freeze.. if at all |
| 06:04.42 | displaced | shouldn't have to compile a new kernel, if you have the headers, you should be able to mkintrd with them |
| 06:04.45 | LowStream | ummm old 266MHz 64mb ram :) ol dlaptop old NEC Versa |
| 06:04.57 | LowStream | Its my learning box :) |
| 06:04.59 | displaced | nope, kernel panic |
| 06:05.18 | displaced | LowStream: you won't be able to gnome or kde to run on that |
| 06:05.32 | displaced | won't be able to get gnome or kde to run |
| 06:05.40 | rkt | hi i would like to know if anyone have knowledge with QoS? im currently using a shellaccount on a very busy line and would like to fix so ssh is prioritized |
| 06:05.42 | LowStream | :( |
| 06:05.47 | displaced | requires a 350 |
| 06:05.59 | LowStream | Damn and I painted it all cool looking :( |
| 06:06.00 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| for that matter can you not run update-grub? |
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| 06:06.08 | displaced | i buy systems that fast for about $35 all the time |
| 06:06.08 | LowStream | blew 3 hours on my laptops paint job hehe |
| 06:07.02 | ajehals-lappy | LowStream - you Can run fluxbox though.... |
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| 06:07.15 | LowStream | whats fluxbox ? |
| 06:07.22 | |Ads| | ajehals-lappy it goes well |
| 06:07.25 | ajehals-lappy | a different WM |
| 06:07.26 | |Ads| | is what I've done |
| 06:07.28 | |Ads| | after rename the file |
| 06:07.29 | displaced | some of the other desktop managers should run on it |
| 06:07.36 | deconvolution | hello, i am trying to configure my madwifi wireless card, the wpa_gui & iwconfig said the connection is fine, but I still cannot ping the ap router, someone can help me on this? |
| 06:07.55 | ajehals-lappy | displaced - hey its great on its own!! |
| 06:07.58 | displaced | is the router set to respond to ping? |
| 06:08.30 | LowStream | ajehals you got a good website on how to install the fluxbox and where to download it ? |
| 06:08.46 | ajehals-lappy | LowStream - are you running debian now? |
| 06:08.53 | LowStream | or should i just startnow.com it ? |
| 06:08.57 | LowStream | on the laptop yes |
| 06:09.01 | displaced | he's trying to install debian with a modem |
| 06:09.05 | ajehals-lappy | ah |
| 06:09.12 | LowStream | na na i got 15 CDs i burned :) |
| 06:09.18 | displaced | or i should say from the cd set |
| 06:09.24 | ajehals-lappy | LowStream - apt-get install fluxbox - its on the debian CD set |
| 06:09.37 | displaced | jesus christ! 15 cds? |
| 06:09.51 | LowStream | Yea was 15CDs |
| 06:09.51 | ajehals-lappy | you will also need to install "xdm x-windows-system" |
| 06:09.56 | LowStream | 2 DVDs 15CDs |
| 06:10.03 | displaced | i use the netinstall and plug in a network card |
| 06:10.12 | ajehals-lappy | displaced : ditto |
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| 06:14.14 | LowStream | Yea I would if it had a nic |
| 06:14.14 | displaced | what city are you in LowStream |
| 06:14.14 | LowStream | Alittle town south of houston |
| 06:14.14 | displaced | hmmm |
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| 06:14.14 | displaced | is there a fry's close by? or maybe a bestbuy? |
| 06:14.15 | LowStream | yea there are bestbuy and a frys |
| 06:14.15 | LowStream | im ban from frys :) |
| 06:14.15 | |Ads| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.15 | displaced | you can pick up a cheap pcmci network card for about $30 |
| 06:14.15 | displaced | you are banned from frys? |
| 06:14.15 | LowStream | Yea |
| 06:14.15 | displaced | jeez he sounds like hawk from applegeeeks |
| 06:14.15 | displaced | applegeeks |
| 06:14.16 | displaced | what did you do to get banned from a store? |
| 06:14.16 | LowStream | they said I could build my PC so I started opening boxes and building one |
| 06:14.16 | |Ads| | ROFL |
| 06:14.35 | LowStream | yea they did not like it |
| 06:14.36 | displaced | i bet they didn't |
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| 06:14.36 | LowStream | net split |
| 06:14.37 | h3xis | holy god my eyes |
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| 06:14.37 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| Im back |
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| 06:14.49 | |Ads| | ajehals-lappy, I think I should install back lilo |
| 06:14.57 | ajehals-lappy | |Ads| - I agree |
| 06:14.59 | |Ads| | or try with a recompiled kernel :p |
| 06:15.01 | displaced | won't boot without an initrd |
| 06:15.02 | ajehals-lappy | for what its worth |
| 06:15.19 | ajehals-lappy | did you try the update-initramfs? |
| 06:15.31 | LowStream | ummm its telling me it cant find package fluxbox |
| 06:15.44 | |Ads| | nope |
| 06:16.03 | displaced | |Ads|: do you have physical access to this machine? |
| 06:16.08 | |Ads| | nope |
| 06:16.09 | |Ads| | :p |
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| 06:16.18 | |Ads| | only ssh |
| 06:16.25 | displaced | didn't think so, if you hose it, how do you reboot it? |
| 06:16.26 | LowStream | ummmm |
| 06:16.32 | |Ads| | remote reboot |
| 06:16.52 | displaced | you can reinstall the operating system without touching the machine? |
| 06:16.57 | |Ads| | yes |
| 06:16.59 | displaced | wow |
| 06:17.07 | ajehals-lappy | displaced - does update-initramfs create an image for initrd? or just update whats there? |
| 06:17.09 | displaced | i like that setup |
| 06:17.15 | LowStream | im about to take this laptop and see if I can hook an IDE control hehe |
| 06:17.16 | |Ads| | i got the guiness record of that... around 27 reinstalls and more than 50 reboots in only 2 days :p |
| 06:17.19 | displaced | just updates what's there |
| 06:17.32 | Mike_B_D | .inf is a styem information file? |
| 06:17.34 | displaced | he would have to mkinitrd |
| 06:17.41 | displaced | in windows it is |
| 06:17.52 | Mike_B_D | cheers |
| 06:17.54 | displaced | in linux, it's a text file |
| 06:18.06 | Mike_B_D | needed for ndis,, |
| 06:18.09 | displaced | standard text file |
| 06:18.14 | Sepero | Question: Anybody using the "-xen" kernels yet? Any comments on it's usage? |
| 06:18.24 | displaced | yeah, it tells ndis how to use the windows drivers |
| 06:18.37 | Mike_B_D | displaced: cheers |
| 06:18.40 | displaced | anyone got a system that can do xen? |
| 06:19.06 | LowStream | okay im about to format this other box I got its a desktop but its got a network card and stuff |
| 06:19.18 | LowStream | then ill learn this nix stuff :) |
| 06:19.39 | ajehals-lappy | * - Im ggoing - * bit early in the morning here and I have some work to do - thanks all |
| 06:19.48 | Mike_B_D | displaced: ndisgtk in debian? |
| 06:20.09 | displaced | i think so |
| 06:20.20 | displaced | i seem to remember seeing it |
| 06:20.21 | Mike_B_D | in Ubuntu |
| 06:20.28 | Mike_B_D | hmm |
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| 06:23.13 | displaced | i just did a mimo wireless card for someone, custom kernel and custom ndis |
| 06:24.01 | LowStream | So do you think Debian would be a good first flavor ? |
| 06:24.15 | Operador^Away | -±¤•fuck •¤±- |
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| 06:24.27 | displaced | that was interesting |
| 06:24.29 | h3xis | ... |
| 06:24.36 | Mike_B_D | huh |
| 06:24.37 | Operador^Away | -±¤•fuck •¤±- |
| 06:24.41 | Operador^Away | -±¤•fuck •¤±- |
| 06:24.45 | h3xis | secret word |
| 06:24.52 | Operador^Away | se la comen HAYSSS ! COÑOS! |
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| 06:25.15 | Sepero | Somebody's bot is on the fritz. |
| 06:25.30 | displaced | some body speak spanish? |
| 06:26.14 | Sepero | Question: Anybody using the "-xen" kernels yet? Any comments on it's usage? |
| 06:26.36 | displaced | so you have a system that will run the xen kernels? |
| 06:26.50 | displaced | multipath motherboard and processor |
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| 06:27.04 | Sepero | I guess not? |
| 06:27.19 | Sepero | I need special hardware to run xen? |
| 06:27.19 | displaced | this requires the latest motherboard to run |
| 06:27.24 | displaced | yup |
| 06:27.31 | cast | i have an X2 with virtualization extensions (: |
| 06:27.46 | cast | you don't need special hardware to run xen |
| 06:28.04 | Sepero | Can I run Xen on a 750Mhz AMD? |
| 06:28.11 | cast | sure |
| 06:28.27 | Sepero | thx |
| 06:28.31 | LowStream | So does anyone think Debian would be a good first flavor for a new user ? |
| 06:28.39 | cast | LowStream: yes. |
| 06:28.45 | displaced | it's what i started on LowStream |
| 06:28.46 | Sepero | I'm looking for a Howto for Debian Xen right now. |
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| 06:29.06 | cast | LowStream: having to read documentation is alot easier than trying to fix bugs, and imo debian has the least bugs |
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| 06:29.27 | Sepero | LowStream: I say no, but this isn't exactly the right room to get an unbiased opinion |
| 06:30.05 | LowStream | Cool, well its not my first. In 1985 I had a AT&T Unix system, but I was 6yo hehe |
| 06:30.16 | cast | at the end of the day i think pkg management is the most important part to a user friendly system, and apt is the best :) |
| 06:30.58 | Sepero | Hey #macintosh, do you think I should use linux? |
| 06:31.11 | cast | debian != linux! |
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| 06:32.01 | Sepero | I'm just making a comparison |
| 06:32.02 | LowStream | ummm maybe I should try mac os hehe i hear its good now hehe |
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| 06:32.41 | cast | i suppose my view is slightly different |
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| 06:32.51 | Sepero | To get a less biased answer, you'd be better off asking which distro in #linux. |
| 06:32.51 | grendal_prime | is it crazy to say that udev is the coolest thing like ever? |
| 06:33.15 | grendal_prime | i swear...i get wet when i plug stuff in and it just works... |
| 06:33.48 | Sepero | wet? |
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| 06:34.01 | cast | a new user is, yes, new, but that doesn't make them at all slow. imo openbsd/freebsd/netbsd/debian/slackware are all easy enough for any intelligent individual to install |
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| 06:34.32 | cast | you may have to print out a manual, or buy a book, depending on prior computer experience though :) |
| 06:34.41 | grendal_prime | ya....you know...well maby you dont..but well just excited. |
| 06:35.04 | cast | grendal_prime: you use the usbmount pkg? |
| 06:35.05 | LowStream | my first pick would have been redhat but they are not free anymore and that is ate up and not what the nix systems are about |
| 06:35.07 | displaced | hey LowStream , since they can now run windows or the mac operating system on the same hardware. i hate to say it but windows is faster |
| 06:35.22 | displaced | LowStream: fedoracore is redhat free |
| 06:35.24 | grendal_prime | ive been using sarge since a week ago |
| 06:35.34 | grendal_prime | untell a week ago that is |
| 06:35.59 | cast | displaced: faster than vista? |
| 06:36.15 | cast | displaced: eh, faster with vista** |
| 06:36.16 | LowStream | Vista haha |
| 06:36.22 | displaced | has anyone actually seen vista load on anything less than 2 gigs of ram? |
| 06:36.23 | LowStream | oh man vista |
| 06:36.33 | freespace | windows is faster than os x on mac hardware? |
| 06:36.39 | displaced | talk about hardware requirements!!! |
| 06:36.42 | LowStream | there are so many holes in Vista |
| 06:36.45 | cast | i mean macosx is a very recent OS, whereas windows XP is what..half a decade old? |
| 06:37.01 | freespace | os x is abotu as old i think |
| 06:37.03 | displaced | yup xp is faster than mac os x |
| 06:37.10 | displaced | on mac hardware |
| 06:37.19 | LowStream | I would install everything that comes with debian before I install Vista |
| 06:37.20 | displaced | side by side testing |
| 06:37.22 | cast | but OSX vs vista is more reasonable, since they are of closer age |
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| 06:37.49 | displaced | no cast, they are not. os x has been out for over 2 years |
| 06:37.53 | freespace | displaced: with bench marks or "it just feels faster" ? |
| 06:38.18 | displaced | with bench marks, i don't remember which magazine i saw it in but there are benchmarks |
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| 06:38.36 | cast | displaced: i suppose you're right, i wonder what has the older code base though, vista has been in development forever |
| 06:38.42 | displaced | happened right after apple released bootcamp |
| 06:38.44 | cast | least it seems that way. |
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| 06:38.59 | displaced | vista is still not longhorn |
| 06:39.06 | LowStream | hey displaced or ajehals might i msg one of you |
| 06:39.27 | displaced | longhorn has been in developement for 6 years and they still haven't gotten it right |
| 06:39.34 | displaced | sure LowStream |
| 06:39.54 | displaced | has anyone tried loading antivirus on vista yet? |
| 06:40.08 | displaced | norton would love to hear about it |
| 06:40.13 | displaced | so would mcaffee |
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| 06:40.23 | displaced | from what i hear so would the EU |
| 06:41.14 | LowStream | I am about to put debian on my xbox haha |
| 06:41.15 | cast | hmm, i don'tknow much of windows. to me vista == 'the desktop OS after XP' |
| 06:41.26 | displaced | microsoft is trying to create a system as stable as linux and still maintain "user-friendly" |
| 06:41.38 | cast | whats longhorn? was that suppsoed to be the desktop OS after XP? |
| 06:41.49 | freespace | apple beat them to ti |
| 06:41.50 | freespace | *it |
| 06:41.51 | freespace | :D |
| 06:42.04 | displaced | i actually had someone tell me that as soon as linux became as complex as windows, we owuld have the same issues |
| 06:42.09 | displaced | would |
| 06:42.14 | displaced | i started laughing |
| 06:42.29 | displaced | let's see what can windows do that linux can't do? |
| 06:42.36 | cast | WGA |
| 06:42.40 | freespace | own 90% of the desktop market? |
| 06:42.40 | displaced | play directx games |
| 06:42.52 | |Ads| | best os was msdos imo :p |
| 06:43.13 | centrx | ... |
| 06:43.15 | displaced | that's WHY it own the market, how many "users" do you know that do anything other than play games? |
| 06:43.20 | freespace | cedgar can do dx |
| 06:43.35 | freespace | loaded question displaced, considering your audience |
| 06:43.38 | |Ads| | <displaced> let's see what can windows do that linux can't do? <-- crash and fail a lot of times, and also get a lot of virii and trojan |
| 06:44.09 | LowStream | has anyone used their wii remote on their PC to play first person shooters ? |
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| 06:44.16 | cast | get infected within 15min of connecting to the internet |
| 06:44.34 | |Ads| | less I think |
| 06:44.52 | displaced | actually cast, at one point i was working at an isp and helped someone connect to the internet, in under 15 secs they had a virus |
| 06:44.57 | |Ads| | I've conected one time with my laptop via mode, after 2 secs I got a firewall alert to the RPC port |
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| 06:45.48 | displaced | they hadn't even set their homepage yet |
| 06:46.23 | displaced | remember sql-slammer? |
| 06:46.23 | cast | what do they use rpc for? file sharing? |
| 06:46.34 | LowStream | umm I dont think my pvt msg are going |
| 06:47.22 | displaced | LowStream: ARE YOU REGISTERED? |
| 06:47.26 | displaced | woops |
| 06:47.34 | LowStream | aye |
| 06:47.34 | displaced | sorry, hit the caps lock |
| 06:47.38 | displaced | same here |
| 06:47.47 | LowStream | * services. sets mode: +e |
| 06:48.07 | cast | this stuff all seems academic to me. the reason i pay no attention to windows and osx is because they're non-free, and thus less worth my time than free things :> |
| 06:48.45 | displaced | LowStream: it's telling me to register? |
| 06:48.51 | teledyn | there are games on linux similar to directx |
| 06:48.54 | displaced | hmmm and i logged in too |
| 06:48.56 | teledyn | opengl |
| 06:49.18 | LowStream | Nope its acting like it sent but i guess youre not getting it |
| 06:49.30 | displaced | when i started with linux, opengl was the bomb, but neverwinter nights 2 is not opengl |
| 06:49.54 | displaced | and i've talked to the developers and they don't plan on making it opengl |
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| 06:51.42 | |Ads| | now lilo doesnt boot >< what can be wrong? |
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| 06:52.07 | LowStream | So whats the best way to accss the archive for apt ? |
| 06:52.10 | LowStream | from a new install |
| 06:52.40 | LowStream | ftp or http |
| 06:52.51 | displaced | ftp is faster |
| 06:53.36 | Seven_Six_Two | I asked someone earlier what I should use to pass an internet connection through a server and I was told iptables. I found an easier way after trying for hours to get the routing information correct. All I had to do was install ipmasq |
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| 06:54.02 | displaced | that's iptables |
| 06:54.24 | displaced | ipmasq is using iptables to do what you are trying to do |
| 06:55.00 | cast | hmm, how do i search via the Description field rather than Name? |
| 06:55.10 | cast | [in aptitude, or apt-cache] |
| 06:55.24 | Seven_Six_Two | displaced: I get it. I don't know how to use iptables, so I was trying to use route to just get a connection to my server |
| 06:55.30 | cast | oh, apt-cache already does it. |
| 06:56.44 | Seven_Six_Two | once I got that I installed ipmasq and it all worked. Do you know how I set a special rule? I want the server/gw to reply to all port 80 reqests. I am not sure if I have to set an ipmasq rule or an iptables rule now. |
| 06:57.49 | displaced | did anyone else see that? |
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| 06:58.04 | LowStream | So whats the best emu that will run on debian that I can play windows based games ? |
| 06:58.14 | cast | LowStream: 3D games? |
| 06:58.18 | Seven_Six_Two | I guess I still can't accept uninvited connections without some manual rules |
| 06:58.18 | displaced | wine? |
| 06:58.19 | LowStream | yea |
| 06:58.27 | Seven_Six_Two | LowStream: cedega |
| 06:58.33 | cast | cedega is the only chance for 3D |
| 06:58.37 | LowStream | i was reading wine was not stable |
| 06:58.41 | displaced | hmmm |
| 06:58.46 | cast | for 2D vmware might be alright, |
| 06:58.48 | displaced | haven't tried that one |
| 06:59.00 | cahoot | why not simply use win? |
| 06:59.04 | Seven_Six_Two | LowStream: but wine is not an emulator |
| 06:59.06 | displaced | no kidding |
| 06:59.08 | cast | cahoot: how dare you! |
| 06:59.24 | displaced | if he's playing win games, run windows? |
| 06:59.28 | LowStream | hehe he said win :( im trying to get away from windows |
| 06:59.29 | cast | cahoot: having to reboot to game for a few minutes is annoying as hell though :\ |
| 06:59.56 | LowStream | I find that windows is holding me back on learning perl and other things |
| 07:00.01 | displaced | use two machines? one for gmaes only |
| 07:00.04 | displaced | games |
| 07:00.12 | cast | displaced: good, but expensive |
| 07:00.18 | displaced | that's what i do, i own like 5 of them |
| 07:00.33 | LowStream | I have 3 systems right here with in chair rollrange |
| 07:00.47 | LowStream | this is a winbox right here |
| 07:00.52 | displaced | don't even have to roll, use kvm switch |
| 07:01.20 | displaced | click, windows,click, linux |
| 07:01.20 | LowStream | I have a 2box switch but I dont use it hehe |
| 07:01.34 | LowStream | I like looking at multi screens |
| 07:01.44 | displaced | like i said though, i have 5 machines, 4 run linux |
| 07:02.13 | LowStream | im installing debian right no won two boxes |
| 07:02.17 | displaced | one is running my windows apps for 3D design and graphics. most of the time, i use linux |
| 07:02.22 | LowStream | one is an xbox one is a PC |
| 07:02.29 | LowStream | I think the xbox just craped itself |
| 07:02.34 | displaced | lol |
| 07:03.20 | LowStream | you know the Wii control uses bluetooth tech ? |
| 07:03.33 | LowStream | youre PC will pick it up right off the bat |
| 07:03.44 | displaced | experimented with a bluetooth wireless headset. got about 30 ft |
| 07:03.46 | LowStream | with some moded drivers you can use it as a mouse ? |
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| 07:04.55 | displaced | not sure how that would work |
| 07:05.06 | displaced | but you should be able to do something like that |
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| 07:05.35 | LowStream | check slashdot.org nice paper on it |
| 07:05.47 | LowStream | i was reading it ummm 2 days ago and did it |
| 07:05.54 | LowStream | hee I went and got it just to do that to |
| 07:05.56 | displaced | hmmm |
| 07:06.13 | LowStream | I think their system is crap but I wanted the control hehe |
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| 07:06.49 | LowStream | dang hehe Get:434 ftp blah blah blah and still going |
| 07:07.05 | LowStream | and installing the basic desktop things only right now |
| 07:07.14 | LowStream | I did not even edit the packages yet |
| 07:07.51 | displaced | did you download the netinstall? or use the first disk? |
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| 07:08.13 | LowStream | first disk |
| 07:08.20 | pickcoder | hrm.. I can't perform cvs login to a sf project |
| 07:08.24 | displaced | yep lots of downloads then |
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| 07:08.48 | LowStream | atleast kernel.org is a fast server ehhe |
| 07:08.56 | displaced | true |
| 07:09.41 | LowStream | would be faster if I did not have 10 other things downloadin on this PC |
| 07:10.01 | displaced | lol |
| 07:10.03 | displaced | brb |
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| 07:12.12 | LowStream | Sorry displaced was not slashdot was wired that had the wii remote info on it |
| 07:12.25 | LowStream | http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72307-0.html?tw=rss.index |
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| 07:12.43 | LowStream | slashdot was the one that was talking about the recall of the bands on the remotes |
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| 07:15.56 | Seven_Six_Two | i just don't play win only games, and I write to companies if I want them to port |
| 07:16.36 | Seven_Six_Two | oops sry. I'm a little behind |
| 07:16.50 | LowStream | hehe thats not alittle :) |
| 07:16.57 | LowStream | that was lastweek :) |
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| 07:17.36 | deconvolution | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.40 | LowStream | Get:735 and going |
| 07:17.58 | deconvolution | sorry for re-typing this problem, my router was down |
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| 07:20.49 | displaced | Seven_Six_Two: have you written to the developers of neverwinter nights yet? i talked to them face to face at dragoncon, they said "sorry, ain't happening" |
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| 07:21.26 | displaced | LowStream: that was a wild video |
| 07:21.35 | LowStream | yea I know right |
| 07:21.43 | LowStream | it works i did it hehe |
| 07:22.36 | displaced | but because it's inertial, it's going ot be hard to use it realistically. had the same issue with a joystick i had a while back, couldn't point at an object accurately |
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| 07:23.00 | displaced | almost as much fun as the touchpad on my keyboard |
| 07:23.42 | displaced | i've got an old ergo keyboard i use, it's got a touchpad on it. it's disabled, i can't type with it on and it sucks as a pointer |
| 07:24.08 | displaced | i use my wacom instead |
| 07:24.56 | LowStream | eek damn it on my V Freq i typed 43-130 and its 47-130 Hz does that hurt anything ? |
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| 07:25.50 | displaced | LowStream: don't panic, once you get to the login screen, you can do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 or xserver-xorg and fix it |
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| 07:26.29 | LowStream | cool cool ehe yea not panicing yet it did not beep and tell me to F off yet |
| 07:26.36 | displaced | lol |
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| 07:26.59 | displaced | i normally have the system autodetect, it does a pretty good job of it |
| 07:27.01 | LowStream | the xbox stoped so I unpluged it |
| 07:27.04 | displaced | lol |
| 07:27.20 | displaced | microsoft does hardware? does it work? |
| 07:27.24 | displaced | lol |
| 07:27.38 | LowStream | ummm no I get alot of blue screens with my xbox hehe |
| 07:27.45 | cast | really? |
| 07:27.49 | LowStream | yea |
| 07:27.57 | cast | wow. my ps1 was rock solid :\ |
| 07:28.05 | LowStream | Yea as mine was |
| 07:28.07 | LowStream | and PS2 |
| 07:28.08 | LowStream | and my ps3 |
| 07:28.13 | CHodapp | I want to get a cheap PS2 |
| 07:28.17 | LowStream | my first 360 burnt up in a week |
| 07:28.22 | displaced | cast, he's loading linux on it. means he's modded it |
| 07:28.24 | CHodapp | maybe even one with a disc read error, then repair it |
| 07:28.56 | LowStream | yea I cant keep anything unmodded |
| 07:28.59 | displaced | am i right LowStream ? |
| 07:28.59 | cast | you can install linux on an xbox1 without modding it i thought |
| 07:29.17 | displaced | nope, chip inside to keep you from altering the hardware |
| 07:29.27 | LowStream | like I went and got this digital cam from CVS a onetime use thing and you have to take it to them to get the photos off |
| 07:29.34 | displaced | xbox live checks the config of your system |
| 07:30.09 | displaced | did you wire in a usb port? |
| 07:30.18 | displaced | or serial port |
| 07:30.30 | |Ads| | apt-get install php should install and autoconfig php, right? |
| 07:30.35 | CHodapp | pffft, just buy a real camera, they're not that expensive |
| 07:30.52 | displaced | but what's the fun in that? |
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| 07:30.58 | cast | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-994794.html |
| 07:31.12 | cast | 'An anonymous hacker has succeeded in running Linux on an unmodified Xbox, apparently satisfying a $100,000 challenge funded by Lindows founder Michael Robertson.' |
| 07:31.15 | LowStream | Im like hehe screw that and took it apart and mounted a usb |
| 07:31.17 | LowStream | yea |
| 07:31.44 | CHodapp | displaced: well, the fun for me is that I can take fricking awesome pictures that are good quality... |
| 07:31.52 | displaced | true |
| 07:31.59 | |Ads| | 'An anonymous hacker has succeeded in running Linux on an unmodified Xbox, apparently satisfying a $100,000 challenge funded by Lindows founder Michael Robertson.' |
| 07:32.00 | displaced | i see that cast |
| 07:32.00 | |Ads| | WTF |
| 07:32.05 | |Ads| | I have a manual in some magazine |
| 07:32.10 | LowStream | CH you did the CVS cam also? |
| 07:32.10 | |Ads| | about how to install linux in xbox |
| 07:32.19 | displaced | he used a buffer over-run to make it work |
| 07:32.26 | |Ads| | xbox or xbox 360? |
| 07:32.32 | LowStream | I paid $30 for the cam and hit it up |
| 07:32.47 | cast | http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Main_Page 'YES - You can do it without a modchip YES - You can do it without opening your Xbox!' :> |
| 07:33.17 | CHodapp | LowStream: no, I have an older Kodak Easyshare that's just point-and-shoot, and a Canon Powershot G2 that I got later for about $150... old but high-end so it has many manual features |
| 07:33.20 | LowStream | my xbox was moded before i just tried to put debian on it hehe |
| 07:33.55 | displaced | because the hack involves an x-box piece of software, i can only assume it's for the original |
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| 07:34.33 | LowStream | ummmmmmm anyone know anything about Exim v4 ? |
| 07:34.51 | |Ads| | LowStream, I know a bit |
| 07:35.00 | |Ads| | umm weird, apache doesnt install modules.conf from appt :s |
| 07:35.04 | displaced | i'm waiting just a little longer to buy one of the olympus E-20s |
| 07:35.25 | LowStream | okay ummmm nm ill just say directly using SMTP nm hehe |
| 07:35.44 | CHodapp | I went with the G2 because its RAW format was totally supported, and some add-on lenses could be used though it's not an SLR |
| 07:36.30 | LowStream | ummmm that was ugly |
| 07:36.39 | CHodapp | the "size of a brick" feature is annoying though |
| 07:36.39 | LowStream | it booted and it was like OMG its ugly hehe |
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| 07:37.43 | cast | did you try putting linux on your ps3? |
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| 07:37.51 | LowStream | Gnome or KDW |
| 07:38.00 | LowStream | Not yet hehe I dont want to break it |
| 07:38.03 | LowStream | KDE |
| 07:38.33 | LowStream | to many things to pick from in linux haha |
| 07:38.36 | cast | LowStream: enlightenment! |
| 07:38.48 | LowStream | ummm I dont have that yet |
| 07:38.55 | cast | its small. |
| 07:39.19 | |Ads| | why can be, if apt-get doesnt install the config files of apache? |
| 07:39.54 | LowStream | okay i dont like that it told me i cant log in as root from their thats kind of Nazi some crap windows and bill gates would pull hehe |
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| 07:40.17 | olskolirc | ? |
| 07:40.36 | olskolirc | ? |
| 07:40.40 | olskolirc | hello |
| 07:40.45 | |Ads| | hi |
| 07:40.58 | olskolirc | can someone help me turn this into an ip address? 3276d35c.bbb3ba1.dhcp.embarqhsd.net |
| 07:41.08 | |Ads| | you cant |
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| 07:41.14 | olskolirc | why is that |
| 07:41.19 | |Ads| | thats a encrypted ip |
| 07:41.27 | |Ads| | not really encrypted |
| 07:41.28 | LowStream | because its crypt |
| 07:41.36 | |Ads| | just a weird random number :p |
| 07:41.44 | olskolirc | what kinda service is that damn |
| 07:41.46 | |Ads| | or it is really encrypted? |
| 07:42.09 | LowStream | Might be ummmm |
| 07:42.25 | LowStream | its the way IPs show on IRC servers |
| 07:42.32 | olskolirc | ohhhhh |
| 07:42.37 | olskolirc | mine shows normal |
| 07:43.06 | LowStream | not all but some irc servres |
| 07:43.23 | LowStream | like ummm i think efnet does it |
| 07:43.38 | olskolirc | oh |
| 07:43.38 | |Ads| | I think is time to sleep, good nite all |
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| 07:44.04 | LowStream | so what all should i now download for my new debian system hehe |
| 07:44.19 | olskolirc | etch went stable? |
| 07:44.32 | parsonsd | hey all. not sure if this is debian or gnome -- when i drop a usb key onto the system, gnome is happy to let me double click on the gnome icon )under computer( and it opens; but i can't get it to let me mount it on the cmd line. the defaults under /etc/fstab say it should be user,nosuid,nodev -- but to mount the usb device requires sudo access |
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| 07:44.47 | parsonsd | what handles it under gnome that would be dfferent |
| 07:44.48 | parsonsd | ? |
| 07:45.52 | parsonsd | olskolirc : not according to debian.org/news/ |
| 07:46.17 | parsonsd | olskolirc : mostrecent entry is 3.1 update 4 |
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| 07:47.04 | olskolirc | for the whole system parsonsd? |
| 07:47.16 | olskolirc | oh ok |
| 07:47.24 | parsonsd | http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20061106 |
| 07:47.42 | parsonsd | but itwould appear that etch is frozen |
| 07:48.03 | cast | LowStream: enlightenment :x |
| 07:48.04 | olskolirc | isn't that the stage before stable? |
| 07:48.09 | parsonsd | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/474 -- i guess soon |
| 07:48.18 | cast | parsonsd: :> |
| 07:48.42 | parsonsd | olskolirc - yeh, but from whati read, there can still be updates. |
| 07:48.53 | parsonsd | cast ? |
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| 07:49.27 | olskolirc | ok |
| 07:50.37 | Piper69 | am back |
| 07:51.08 | LowStream | okay i dont like four in a row hehe |
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| 07:52.53 | parsonsd | okay, in addition to my mount question, which setup file does one change to have startx/gnome change wm -- i bothered to d/l e to see what the fuss is about and i cannot track down the file that actually loads the wm! it's a chain that tromps back over itself! |
| 07:53.19 | cast | .xinitrc |
| 07:53.56 | parsonsd | cast : no such file... |
| 07:53.58 | cast | echo /usr/bin/enlightenment > ~/.xinitrc, then startx and its away |
| 07:54.09 | cast | no, because you haven't created it yet ;) |
| 07:54.51 | cast | man startx, 3rd paragraph talks about .xinitrc |
| 07:55.30 | parsonsd | cast : i'd gotten used to fvwm2 under a couple of differnt system's installations on solaris ... i presume that ...well, i'll look at e's version of .xinitrc... ;) |
| 07:56.04 | parsonsd | oh crap. i see what you're having me echo in... duh |
| 07:57.07 | cast | i think when you start e you have to go through a short tutorial, or should go through rather |
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| 07:57.39 | Seven_Six_Two | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.22 | LowStream | hehe i think its funny linux.org bitches when you leave off the www hehe |
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| 07:58.54 | Piper69 | anyone here uses kismet please |
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| 07:59.39 | Piper69 | i need help with it, i tried #kismet but no answer i think they are sleeping now or something |
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| 08:00.20 | parsonsd | this IS silly -- /usr/bin/fvwm -> /etc/alternatives/fvwm -> /usr/bin/fvwm2 |
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| 08:02.21 | Piper69 | !kismet |
| 08:02.21 | dpkg | kismet is, like, a wireless sniffer, http://www.kismetwireless.net. kismet will not work with ndiswrapper and configuring it is somewhat painful, the kismet docs are very good and should be read before going to #kismet asking questions |
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| 08:03.03 | schme | Piper69: What is up with kismet? |
| 08:03.36 | Piper69 | schme: i just downloaded it and when i try to run it i get FATAL error |
| 08:03.51 | LowStream | Do you have a wireless network card ? |
| 08:04.42 | Piper69 | yes |
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| 08:06.15 | schme | is it one of the supported cards? What is the error? |
| 08:06.58 | Piper69 | schme: i will paste it in the #flood , ok |
| 08:07.33 | hodgman | anyone know of a good and fairly easy to follow "how-to" to config exim4, spam filtering, pop/imap with ssl support? |
| 08:09.29 | cast | nc -l -p 666 > /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:09.34 | cast | i was sooo sure that was a bad idea :) |
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| 08:10.15 | schme | Piper69: it says you haven't configured a packet source. You need to change /etc/kismet/kismet.conf and add one |
| 08:11.16 | Piper69 | schme: add what |
| 08:11.36 | LowStream | cast you running enlightenment ? |
| 08:12.26 | cast | LowStream: ja |
| 08:12.31 | schme | Piper69: Well first you need to read the what kismetwireless.net says, and read the config file where it says: Source types and required drivers are listed in the README under the CAPTURE SOURCES section. [..] YOU MUST CHANGE THIS TO BE THE SOURCE YOU WANT TO USE |
| 08:12.37 | parsonsd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.38 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 08:12.39 | schme | -the |
| 08:13.11 | schme | Piper69: I use source=ipw2200,eth2,wifi |
| 08:13.21 | schme | Piper69: But it depends on your hardware |
| 08:13.21 | LowStream | I can install it by apt-get right ? |
| 08:15.15 | Piper69 | schme: how to know mine? |
| 08:15.25 | Piper69 | i have a dlink card |
| 08:15.55 | schme | Piper69: You need to know what card you have, what device it is on, and oh yeah. You need to read the README and the documentation at kismetwireless.net |
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| 08:18.19 | displaced | Piper69: do you know what chipset it uses? |
| 08:18.30 | LowStream | nm im RTFM |
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| 08:19.29 | displaced | he's telling you the truth, you will have to install the card using linux drivers for that chipset and then tell kismet where that card is |
| 08:20.29 | displaced | aircrack is the same way, you have to install the linux drivers, these applications will not use ndiswrapper |
| 08:20.35 | cast | LowStream: yes, its called enlightenment...and use aptitude instead of apt-get :) |
| 08:21.29 | LowStream | LICQ or cicq ? |
| 08:22.06 | cast | xmpp ^_^ |
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| 08:23.48 | LowStream | any other programs I might find of use cast ? |
| 08:24.04 | cast | lots. |
| 08:24.06 | LowStream | like i said im new to the nix |
| 08:24.07 | LowStream | hehe |
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| 08:24.22 | LowStream | i installed xchat xmpp and enlightenment |
| 08:24.27 | cast | screen and irssi are worth knowing |
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| 08:24.39 | cast | xmpp is a protocol. sometimes you use it instead of saying jabber :) |
| 08:25.01 | cast | icq is the old! jabber is the new! jabber will talk to icq at any rate |
| 08:25.42 | LowStream | so do I need to install jabber also or is xmpp what I want ? |
| 08:26.17 | cast | keep in mind its a protocol bro, like irc or http, you don't install 'http' you grab a http client |
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| 08:26.39 | cast | investigate jabber later though. in the mean time work out screen |
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| 08:27.12 | cast | and install a decent terminal, i'm using gnome-terminal at the moment, that's nice and easy to configure. slow though |
| 08:28.06 | LowStream | what you say terminal you talking about shell or what ? |
| 08:28.51 | cast | i mean like xterm,aterm,konsole. a window that comes up in xwindows where you get access to the command line |
| 08:29.16 | rkt | <3 |
| 08:29.19 | cast | i know, terminal is a bit ambigious :( |
| 08:29.23 | ice_cream | lo, is there a certain kind of proxy I need for IRC? |
| 08:29.44 | rkt | just use bitlebee :> |
| 08:29.48 | ice_cream | i have one that works with firefox, for example, but...fails in irc |
| 08:29.49 | rkt | cast(); |
| 08:29.51 | cast | ice_cream: nope. you connect directly to the server. or are you asking 'what is a proxy i could use for IRC?' |
| 08:30.03 | rkt | ice_cream: try redir :) |
| 08:30.06 | insmod | what was hitlers book of crap man conf ? |
| 08:30.27 | cast | rkt: bitlbee is nice, but like gaim doesn't support any cool jabber features :( |
| 08:30.39 | ice_cream | rkt redir..? |
| 08:30.39 | rkt | :) |
| 08:30.43 | schme | what are these cool jabber features? |
| 08:30.48 | rkt | ice_cream: apt-get install redir :>? |
| 08:30.49 | cast | transports |
| 08:30.59 | schme | Why would I need transports ... ? |
| 08:31.02 | LowStream | mein kampf |
| 08:31.12 | cast | so you can consolidate all your IM accounts! |
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| 08:31.20 | cast | and there's also gpg encryption |
| 08:31.25 | cast | or, OpenPGP really |
| 08:31.39 | schme | bitlbee lets me sign on to my msn accounts, my aim accounts, and what not directly.. why would I need transports? |
| 08:31.58 | cast | schme: there are many ways to skin a cat. |
| 08:32.35 | schme | mmm.. it just seems.. not so much a feature that bitlbee needs (: |
| 08:32.36 | Piper69 | schme: can you help me find what card i have and if its supported with kismet (if you have time) thank you |
| 08:32.37 | cast | schme: for me, someone who uses transports and finds them useful [i only have to remember a single username/login for all the IM networks], the lack of support in gaim is annoying |
| 08:32.45 | schme | Aha. |
| 08:32.53 | ice_cream | rkt, but how would i get redir to work w/ my irc client? |
| 08:32.57 | schme | Never used gaim, I wouldn't know. |
| 08:33.00 | insmod | Mein Kampf |
| 08:33.22 | schme | cast: I auto login to all my accounts with my irc client. It is no big deal for me (: |
| 08:33.32 | schme | Piper69: I.. have no idea what card you have (: |
| 08:33.54 | Piper69 | schme: D-link DWL-650 |
| 08:34.20 | cast | schme: i'll login using multiple clients, sometimes i'm not at home. i might use a http client, then i can just log into my jabber account and be on msn/icq too :), and the transports deal sanely with logging in from multiple locations properly [so i can be on msn from 'two' different places]. i say gaim because bitlbee because bitlbee is [or was] based off gaim so inherits its limitations |
| 08:34.20 | LowStream | ummm is there a way to change to enlightenment with out a reboot ? |
| 08:34.31 | centrx | just close X |
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| 08:34.49 | centrx | you shouldn't need to reboot for years if you don't want |
| 08:35.04 | ndowens | Piper69: what do u need to know, which driver dlink uses? |
| 08:35.34 | schme | cast: That is very nice ya! |
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| 08:35.49 | LowStream | okay from my terminal i typed enlightentment to see what it would do hehe it told me to exit x but it can edit my start up do i want it to do that ? |
| 08:35.50 | ndowens | i have a dlink card, mine uses the 8139too driver, don't remember what model it is, but it would be a shot |
| 08:35.52 | schme | Piper69: Ok. Ihave no idea what source line you need for that (: |
| 08:36.52 | cast | schme: i'm not saying jabber is better than bitlbee, as that doesn't make any sense. but it is better than icq/msn/aim :) |
| 08:36.53 | Piper69 | ndowens: i want to know the specs, if its supported or not |
| 08:37.22 | Piper69 | i am using it right now to talk to you |
| 08:37.22 | schme | Piper69: I am guessing you want acx100 ... is it a 22mbit card? you also need to know what device it is |
| 08:37.48 | Piper69 | schme: how would i know , can you please tell me ? |
| 08:38.10 | ndowens | Piper69: i found a page that might help http://stef.tvk.rwth-aachen.de/~nazgul/debian/DWL-650+_Howto.html |
| 08:38.18 | schme | Piper69: Try ifconfig |
| 08:38.29 | schme | ndowens: He is trying to configure kismet |
| 08:38.37 | ndowens | o sorry |
| 08:38.39 | schme | Piper69: iwconfig maybe! |
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| 08:39.22 | ndowens | just thought i was helping |
| 08:39.37 | schme | Piper69: run iwconfig and see what device you need to use.. (: |
| 08:40.21 | Piper69 | schme: do you mean interface when you say device? |
| 08:40.25 | schme | Piper69: yes |
| 08:40.48 | Piper69 | schme: oh yeah it's eth0 |
| 08:41.09 | schme | ok.. |
| 08:42.06 | schme | Piper69: try adding source=acx100,eth0,wifi to /etc/kismet/kismet.conf |
| 08:44.12 | schme | Piper69: or maybe that is only for dwl-650+ |
| 08:45.23 | Piper69 | schme: FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'source=acx100' in source 'source=acx100,eth0,wifi' |
| 08:45.55 | Piper69 | schme: when they say source do they mean the driver "like prism or orinico"? |
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| 08:47.21 | cast | 'One of the design goals for NFSv4 is that it will work well on the Internet. ' hmm, so is running NFS over the internet not insane anymore? |
| 08:47.33 | schme | Piper69: orinoco ! that's what you want. |
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| 08:47.51 | Kevin` | cast it has some new authentication features, so I suppose not :o |
| 08:47.53 | schme | Piper69: source=orinoco,eth0,wifi that ought to do it |
| 08:48.03 | schme | Piper69: the acx100 is for 650+ sorry :D |
| 08:48.34 | cast | would be nice if we had network fs that we could use over the internet |
| 08:48.58 | Kevin` | shfs, but performance of that isn't very good |
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| 08:49.31 | Piper69 | schme: nope same problem |
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| 08:50.05 | cast | Kevin`: mmm, almost. then one has to setup scponly [i presume that works with shfs] |
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| 08:50.23 | cast | until openssh has an sftp/scp only option anyway |
| 08:50.46 | schme | Piper69: Hrm. ok. Then I have no idea really :S Now is the time to go wake the #kismet people up :D |
| 08:50.51 | Kevin` | an scp only option is hard because scp uses shell commands |
| 08:51.55 | Piper69 | schme: lol i guess so |
| 08:52.49 | schme | Piper69: well.. gl with that :D |
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| 08:54.44 | LowStream | ummm cast how can I start enlightenment its not on my session list |
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| 08:56.07 | Guerin | LowStream: startx /usr/bin/enlightenment |
| 08:56.37 | Guerin | LowStream: if you want to add it to your sessions, ask the people who made your session manager - gnome or kde |
| 08:57.04 | LowStream | im at this GNOME desktop manager not at the shell |
| 08:57.42 | Guerin | LowStream: then ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org, or read the GDM doc to find out how to configure it |
| 08:57.44 | schme | window managers tend to be added automagically to the session list if you install via apt |
| 08:57.56 | Piper69 | schme: thank you buddy |
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| 08:58.18 | Guerin | yeah, some do |
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| 08:59.52 | LowStream | yep |
| 09:00.08 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: doubtful. I lived in Korea for 3 years, being able to sight-read korean, and picked up bugger-all watching korean tv |
| 09:00.09 | LowStream | if you watch the movie you love the most in german you will learn some |
| 09:00.17 | Guerin | it's good for recognising things you already know |
| 09:00.38 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: a pox on your c-nick |
| 09:00.48 | parsonsd | fairly common for non-english speaking for english tv inthe us |
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| 09:01.03 | cast | mum seems to have remembered a language she had forgotten via watching movies in that language with subtitles [doesn't need them now] |
| 09:01.21 | Guerin | parsonsd: yeah, good for practice, not so for uptake |
| 09:01.29 | parsonsd | probably to ensure comprehension |
| 09:01.34 | Guerin | cast: which? |
| 09:01.56 | CharminTheMoose | what Guerin? |
| 09:01.59 | Guerin | parsonsd: we used to use simpsons, friends, etc to teach conversation and pronunciation. |
| 09:02.11 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: change your nick, lest I choose you instead of cast again |
| 09:02.16 | LowStream | ummmm hehe im slow but how does one exit X with out going back to the manager |
| 09:02.32 | schme | LowStream: You need to kill the manager (: |
| 09:02.32 | Guerin | LowStream: /etc/init.d/?dm stop ;) |
| 09:02.39 | Guerin | LowStream: once you get a shell, that is |
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| 09:03.05 | LowStream | thats gdm right ? |
| 09:03.07 | CharminTheMoose | my nick rocks and i shall not change it |
| 09:03.15 | Guerin | LowStream: yeah. |
| 09:03.19 | LowStream | k |
| 09:03.20 | CharminTheMoose | hurrah for camel text! |
| 09:03.33 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: /nick CharminTheMøøse |
| 09:03.47 | CharminTheMoose | Guerin: Why? |
| 09:04.19 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: because møøsen are a singularly interesting animal |
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| 09:04.25 | Guerin | whereas moosen are just moosen |
| 09:04.40 | cast | Guerin: hindi |
| 09:04.45 | CharminTheMoose | mooses rock |
| 09:04.51 | Guerin | cast: ah, interesting. |
| 09:04.58 | Guerin | my mum is a bit that way with dutch |
| 09:05.03 | parsonsd | Guerin : come now, there's always the Room With A Moose |
| 09:05.12 | LowStream | ummm hehe |
| 09:05.20 | parsonsd | there's always room for a Room With A Moose |
| 09:05.28 | Guerin | parsonsd: møøse! |
| 09:06.36 | marc2 | ok, so I am in my system working, but mount doesnt show / mounted, how can that be? |
| 09:06.38 | parsonsd | Guerin I'm unfamiliar with this spelling. |
| 09:06.49 | Guerin | parsonsd: Holy Grail. |
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| 09:07.07 | Guerin | parsonsd: if you're american, that'll explain it |
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| 09:07.11 | yzrider088 | The Debian project confirms December 2006 as the date for the next release of its distribution which will be named Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 alias 'etch'. |
| 09:07.14 | yzrider088 | how long then?? |
| 09:07.26 | parsonsd | Guerin : eh? truly? |
| 09:07.29 | Guerin | marc2: output of /mount |
| 09:07.31 | parsonsd | don't remember it |
| 09:07.38 | yzrider088 | must be released in next 2 weeks huh? |
| 09:07.39 | Guerin | parsonsd: at the start. The opening credits. |
| 09:07.50 | parsonsd | yzrider088 about 2 weeks then |
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| 09:07.57 | marc2 | Guerin: http://en.pastebin.ca/282104 ? |
| 09:08.07 | yzrider088 | any information on release date other than that? |
| 09:08.08 | parsonsd | Guerin, my my, it HAS been a long time since I've seen that flick. |
| 09:08.09 | Guerin | yzrider088: nobody really knows. |
| 09:08.13 | yzrider088 | :( |
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| 09:08.49 | Guerin | yzrider088: for a survey of opinions check /msg dpkg etch poll 1 |
| 09:08.49 | Guerin | err, |
| 09:08.49 | Guerin | yzrider088: for a survey of opinions check /msg dpkg etch pool 1 |
| 09:08.58 | parsonsd | Guerin: saw it twice and gave up on it for Life of Brian. |
| 09:09.03 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.04 | yzrider088 | :( |
| 09:09.08 | yzrider088 | why doesn't anyone know :( |
| 09:09.15 | cast | i vote 2nd month of 07 |
| 09:09.16 | yzrider088 | someone has to work in debian project |
| 09:09.16 | centrx | because it gets released when it is ready |
| 09:09.29 | cast | yzrider088: because no one can predict the future |
| 09:09.36 | parsonsd | I still say that there's always room for the Room With A Moose. |
| 09:09.40 | yzrider088 | um companies/organizations set release dates though |
| 09:09.46 | yzrider088 | like they set december 2006 :D |
| 09:09.48 | centrx | they are paying people to work |
| 09:09.50 | cast | yzrider088: and...then get them completely wrong |
| 09:09.51 | centrx | and they release shoddy products |
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| 09:10.30 | yzrider088 | what do these people get for working on all these linux distros anyways |
| 09:10.35 | yzrider088 | if they don't charge $, what's in it for them |
| 09:10.37 | cast | yzrider088: extending dead line after dead line, or sometimes they just conceed crappyness and ship a halfassed product. its hard to debug things |
| 09:10.38 | marc2 | debian isnt adopting uuid? |
| 09:10.48 | centrx | yzrider088, some distributions do charge money for support contracts |
| 09:11.03 | yzrider088 | yes, some, talking about ones that don't though |
| 09:11.22 | centrx | because they want to |
| 09:11.32 | centrx | they are going to be coding anyway to make something work for themselves |
| 09:11.42 | centrx | why not release it for everyone to use, rather than having everyone duplicate work |
| 09:12.00 | centrx | and then they are also using the same free software that other people created under the same principles |
| 09:12.20 | parsonsd | yzrider088, erm, Microsoft set a date for Longhorn / Vista for 2004. Apple set it's dates for Copeland sometime in mid 90's. Amazon just shipped to us some game (zelda?) that Nintendo said would come out 2 years ago, but now won't be out for another 2 months for its older platform |
| 09:12.37 | yzrider088 | yeah |
| 09:12.42 | yzrider088 | companies suck |
| 09:12.56 | yzrider088 | thats why i like duke nukem they have never set a release date for their next game |
| 09:13.06 | centrx | because it is never going to be released? |
| 09:13.13 | yzrider088 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.13 | yzrider088 | :D |
| 09:13.16 | yzrider088 | maybe :P |
| 09:13.34 | yzrider088 | might be a DX8.0 game when its done :P |
| 09:13.37 | parsonsd | yzrider088 I think Debian says etch release is WIR. but that's only cos I mesg'd dpkg |
| 09:14.33 | centrx | the estimates are december, then january |
| 09:14.38 | centrx | but soon |
| 09:14.40 | centrx | real soon now |
| 09:14.57 | yzrider088 | i cant wait |
| 09:14.58 | centrx | anyway, you can use it right now just by switching to testing |
| 09:14.58 | yzrider088 | :) |
| 09:15.08 | centrx | i've been using testing for years |
| 09:15.12 | yzrider088 | haha |
| 09:15.27 | centrx | no problems with it |
| 09:15.29 | yzrider088 | i run debian on a production machine, so no thanks for that :D |
| 09:15.44 | yzrider088 | but that's how highly i like the OS to run it on a production machine that makes $$ :D |
| 09:15.45 | centrx | well...my personal computer is very important too :P |
| 09:15.55 | yzrider088 | heh |
| 09:16.04 | yzrider088 | i could never run linux as a desktop, but that's just me |
| 09:16.12 | yzrider088 | i would be crippled and bored |
| 09:16.46 | parsonsd | yzrider088, you might have a point. undeadly.org people usually say that obsd is about the only thing worth running as a desktop |
| 09:17.24 | cast | yzrider088: what do you run as a desktop? |
| 09:17.32 | yzrider088 | windows vista / windows xp x64 |
| 09:17.51 | yzrider088 | well 95% of my applications won't work on linux, so i don't have a choice |
| 09:17.58 | cast | parsonsd: openbsd needs some work on upgrading it imo |
| 09:18.05 | yzrider088 | the OS itself is fine, i like KDE/Gnome, but whne it comes to support....there's none |
| 09:18.29 | yzrider088 | support as in other applications supporting linux |
| 09:18.30 | valdyn | !fud |
| 09:18.30 | dpkg | it has been said that fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 09:19.07 | yzrider088 | like some games will run on cedega/wine, but none of them really run that great, and some have serious problems |
| 09:19.12 | cast | parsonsd: with six monthly releases, you do upgrade releases alot. that's my persomal gripe. i could add the performance sucks, and the pkg management doesn't compare to apt in sophistication or scale, too. but pf and systrace are really cool! |
| 09:19.15 | schme | yzrider088: Funny I have found quite the opposite. most applications I want to run are troublesome on microsoft OS :) |
| 09:19.16 | yzrider088 | applications are same way... |
| 09:19.23 | yzrider088 | hehe |
| 09:19.31 | schme | xemacs on windows is a bitch. |
| 09:19.44 | cast | i really like openbsd mentaility with reference to kernel compiles, that is "don't do it. you don't have to. if you do and you break it it's your problem" |
| 09:19.46 | yzrider088 | well it's sad because microsoft took over the world :P more applications run on their operating systems unfortunately |
| 09:20.00 | schme | cast: I hear you there! |
| 09:20.05 | yzrider088 | but the applications i build in .NET are 100% compatible with mono |
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| 09:20.30 | yzrider088 | so i like linux compatability, for the one or two users out of 99.9% windows users that run linux |
| 09:20.34 | yzrider088 | atleast they can run the app :D |
| 09:20.36 | tomhet_ | sorry, how's the site called where I can put text/sourcecode online temporarily? |
| 09:20.45 | yzrider088 | rafb.net/paste/ pastebin.com etc |
| 09:20.47 | CharminTheMoose | pastebin.com |
| 09:20.52 | yzrider088 | rafb.net/paste i like better |
| 09:20.56 | yzrider088 | faster servers than pastebin |
| 09:21.36 | cast | i find myself restricted in windows tbh. never used vista, but in xp...only one desktop :(. [sure, you can turn on more but i was under the impression that didn't work smoothly, apps expecting there to be only one] |
| 09:21.48 | yzrider088 | also http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 09:21.50 | parsonsd | cast : pf does rock. adding a package is usually just d/l it and gunzip. |
| 09:22.07 | yzrider088 | what apps dont work in windows? |
| 09:22.17 | [[762]] | has anybody here used synergy? |
| 09:22.23 | tomhet_ | thx! |
| 09:22.24 | parsonsd | yzrider088 : zsh for one |
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| 09:22.34 | schme | yzrider088: xemacs is very sad to run in a windows enivornment. |
| 09:22.40 | yzrider088 | um you don't need it haha |
| 09:22.44 | yzrider088 | zsh that is |
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| 09:22.46 | yzrider088 | if you are IN windows |
| 09:22.50 | cast | the xterm thingy in windows was a joke, too! |
| 09:22.59 | cast | no transparency, my god. and that horrible font |
| 09:23.02 | parsonsd | yzrider088 : vim,too |
| 09:23.05 | yzrider088 | vim works |
| 09:23.10 | yzrider088 | windows port :P |
| 09:23.10 | schme | vim works fine, yes |
| 09:23.17 | [[762]] | I just got it working. I can now share 1 mouse and 1 keyboard with 2 computers. like kvm but you don't have to switch anything |
| 09:23.20 | CharminTheMoose | there's a user here that doesn't know windows? |
| 09:23.23 | parsonsd | i must have not had the right port |
| 09:23.25 | schme | cygwin is an idea of course. |
| 09:23.38 | schme | CharminTheMoose: I know off it, I don't know it. |
| 09:23.47 | parsonsd | but no zsh was a problem. cygwin made it easier, but there were still issues. |
| 09:23.59 | yzrider088 | why would you NEED zsh on windows |
| 09:24.00 | yzrider088 | that makes no sense |
| 09:24.13 | schme | from what I have seen with trying to do stuff with the wife's win xp it is very different from the windows 2.0 I had installed last time I used it. |
| 09:24.17 | yzrider088 | i dunno why you would run linux as a desktop anyways, other than cost perspective, thats a big one, plus linux runs on way shittier hardware :D |
| 09:24.32 | parsonsd | anyway -- |
| 09:24.35 | schme | yzrider088: because it Just Works (tm) |
| 09:24.40 | yzrider088 | now as a server....you better have a DAMN good reason to run windows :P |
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| 09:24.41 | cast | yzrider088: well for a start there's no WGA or product activation |
| 09:24.57 | yzrider088 | well none of that matters if you have a 100% legal key :D |
| 09:25.13 | parsonsd | hey all. not sure if this is debian or gnome -- when i drop a usb key onto the system, gnome is happy to let me double click on the gnome icon )under computer( and it opens; but i can't get it to let me mount it on the cmd line. the defaults under /etc/fstab say it should be user,nosuid,nodev -- but to mount the usb device requires sudo access |
| 09:25.28 | cast | heh. eh. lots of people have WGA issues with 100% legal keys :< |
| 09:25.29 | yzrider088 | hahaa |
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| 09:25.35 | parsonsd | yzrider088 command line completion under cmd stinks |
| 09:25.40 | yzrider088 | rofl |
| 09:25.41 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 09:25.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:25.44 | dpkg | i heard qotd90 is <rituraj> which disks have probs? sata? <directhex|work> rituraj, whatever's in my laptop, and i've heard people with i915 desktops failing installation <jim> then buy a controller put it in the pci slot and be done with it <directhex|work> jim, what a fucking useless waste of time and money for all concerned <directhex|work> jim, and handily, there are hundreds of pci disk controllers for laptops, aren't there |
| 09:25.47 | yzrider088 | there aren't even that many commands in cmd |
| 09:25.58 | valdyn | parsonsd: doesnt need sudo when one of the options is 'user' |
| 09:26.11 | CharminTheMoose | cmd is just a dos terminal |
| 09:26.15 | cast | oh. and sp2 deliberately broke the likes of nmap :( |
| 09:26.32 | yzrider088 | i always thought windows was superior as far as features but now looking at very new linux distros like suse and others, they have come a long way, and some stuff is even better in linux :P |
| 09:26.47 | yzrider088 | linux is really good with plug n play now |
| 09:26.47 | CharminTheMoose | and considering that dos is hardly used today,there wouldn't be many commands for it |
| 09:26.48 | yzrider088 | i like it :D |
| 09:26.49 | valdyn | parsonsd: what exactly is the line in /etc/fstab and what exactly are you typing to mount it |
| 09:26.50 | cast | what features does windows have that we don't? |
| 09:26.53 | parsonsd | valdyn : that's what I thought, but I have it in there: /dev/sdb1 /media/camera auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 09:26.55 | schme | suse.. as in microsoft linux ? |
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| 09:27.01 | yzrider088 | nothing now :) |
| 09:27.04 | yzrider088 | linux caught up... |
| 09:27.10 | yzrider088 | and passed windows maybe |
| 09:27.23 | yzrider088 | schme: what do you mean? |
| 09:27.31 | emss | yzrider088: have you seen xgl/beryl/aiglx/emerald yet? |
| 09:27.35 | schme | I find it pathetic that people are trying to get GNU/Linux systems to 1) compete with microsoft OS, and 2) try to look and work the same way. |
| 09:27.38 | emss | yzrider088: and enlightenment 0.17 |
| 09:27.48 | yzrider088 | no |
| 09:27.52 | yzrider088 | never heard of any of that |
| 09:27.56 | cast | i feel the other way. windows caught up. first single user, no permissions [windows 98], then multiuser, permissions [xp], now having a real command line [vista, from what i hear] |
| 09:28.08 | Orion78 | Hello, I am looking for sid+fluxbox users, I have recently notified segvfaults from fluxbox started from gdm, any one here can confirm existance of this problem. |
| 09:28.09 | valdyn | cast: it doesnt yet |
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| 09:28.17 | CharminTheMoose | schme:so that's it's easier for a persion coming from windows to go to linux |
| 09:28.31 | parsonsd | valdyn : i pumped out a script to dump photos off of my little digital cmera into a temp bin, but so far mount is fussing about needing sudo privelages |
| 09:28.34 | yzrider088 | schme: for basic web browsing / documents its STUPID to use windows |
| 09:28.35 | cast | valdyn: well, its an attempt @ a decent command line. or were you refering to the multiuser part? |
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| 09:28.38 | yzrider088 | linux is way better cuz its free ;D |
| 09:28.39 | Zap-W | !resolv |
| 09:28.43 | schme | cast: Still no way around changing the horrible GUI! and installing software is hell 'cause of the lack of a decent package management system :S |
| 09:28.51 | Zap-W | can someone resolv www.zytrax.com. ? |
| 09:28.53 | valdyn | cast: to the new shell, its not there yet |
| 09:28.59 | cast | aye. someone needs to make a pkg management system for windows |
| 09:29.06 | valdyn | cast: ...new command line.. i dont recall the name |
| 09:29.08 | yzrider088 | lol why |
| 09:29.14 | yzrider088 | nothing in windows is free anyways |
| 09:29.15 | cast | that would solve spyware/adware/trojan issues :> |
| 09:29.16 | CharminTheMoose | cast: uh, no |
| 09:29.18 | yzrider088 | it wouldn't benefit |
| 09:29.26 | yzrider088 | it all costs $$ |
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| 09:29.33 | yzrider088 | so you would need credit card # on hand :D |
| 09:29.37 | cast | CharminTheMoose: why no? |
| 09:29.42 | yzrider088 | nothing in windows is free |
| 09:29.53 | parsonsd | yzrider088 zsh also because i don't care much for the scripting options in batch files and there are simply no good help pages for wsh |
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| 09:30.03 | CharminTheMoose | cast: nevermind |
| 09:30.06 | valdyn | cast: ah, 'monad' |
| 09:30.09 | tigris | anyone running bcm43xx with ndiswrapper? |
| 09:30.12 | tigris | im looking for a howto |
| 09:30.22 | LowStream | ummm cast hehe im in enlightenment now hehe |
| 09:30.25 | cast | valdyn: hmm, shall look |
| 09:30.31 | yzrider088 | cast: what would you like to see on a repository?? if it was for windows |
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| 09:30.36 | Kevin` | tigris there's an opensource broadcom driver now, you might want to try |
| 09:30.36 | yzrider088 | i cant even think of an application that is free |
| 09:30.41 | yzrider088 | that i use except firefox :P |
| 09:30.44 | yzrider088 | and thunderbird |
| 09:30.52 | valdyn | parsonsd: which mount line exactly |
| 09:30.53 | cast | LowStream: i can't remember the default settings, but like the desktop switching via moving mouse beyond edge of screen :) |
| 09:31.04 | parsonsd | yzrider088 mount blows on windows too, but as it seems, i'm having issues with it here too. |
| 09:31.19 | yzrider088 | thing is |
| 09:31.22 | tigris | !bcm4318 |
| 09:31.23 | yzrider088 | linux != windows |
| 09:31.27 | yzrider088 | dont try to run linux shit on windows |
| 09:31.27 | cast | yzrider088: everything they could put in it |
| 09:31.34 | yzrider088 | dont try to put windows shit on linux ;P |
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| 09:31.56 | yzrider088 | except for firefox, because internet explorer has no hope, ever |
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| 09:32.08 | yzrider088 | or opera, whatever you choose |
| 09:32.14 | parsonsd | valdyn real simple one, really: mount /dev/sdb1 /media/camera ... |
| 09:32.18 | Zap-W | can someone resolv www.zytrax.com. ? |
| 09:32.22 | Kevin` | tigris why not just follow the ndiswrapper docs |
| 09:32.22 | valdyn | parsonsd: simple and wrong |
| 09:32.30 | parsonsd | valdyn : eh? |
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| 09:32.33 | Kevin` | ndiswrapper is simple to use |
| 09:32.37 | CharminTheMoose | i think it's stupid that microsoft get around to adding new features to IE 7 such as tabbing,they might as well just package firefox in with windows |
| 09:32.43 | valdyn | parsonsd: 'mount /dev/sdb1' OR 'mount /media/camera' |
| 09:32.44 | yzrider088 | nah |
| 09:32.46 | yzrider088 | then firefox would suck |
| 09:32.47 | yzrider088 | :D |
| 09:32.55 | parsonsd | valdyn : oh boy. thanks. |
| 09:32.57 | valdyn | parsonsd: your line won't work for a user |
| 09:33.06 | tigris | Kevin`: im running bcm43xx atm, i need to blacklist or something, right? |
| 09:33.15 | parsonsd | valdyn : lemme guess, it wants to do too much? |
| 09:33.31 | yzrider088 | if (ie7 < firefox) { } that will always be true :D |
| 09:33.39 | parsonsd | valdyn : story of my life...... |
| 09:33.40 | Kevin` | tigris unless you have more then one broadcom card (why would anyone want even one?) just remove the driver |
| 09:33.55 | parsonsd | valdyn : thanks. |
| 09:34.04 | yzrider088 | only thing is, linux is ugly compared to windows :D |
| 09:34.08 | cast | at the end of the day the real reason i like debian/gnu/linux/*bsd over windows is because it's Free. i can do what i want, legally :) |
| 09:34.10 | Kevin` | 'ugly'? |
| 09:34.11 | yzrider088 | they dont have a window manager as perty as vista |
| 09:34.17 | Kevin` | yes, they do |
| 09:34.21 | yzrider088 | nah |
| 09:34.21 | Kevin` | you just haven't used it |
| 09:34.22 | centrx | I'm using one right now |
| 09:34.24 | cast | i'll upload a screenshot |
| 09:34.26 | yzrider088 | k |
| 09:34.32 | yzrider088 | what's it called? |
| 09:34.32 | tigris | Kevin`: rmmod? or do i have to remove it from restricted modules? i have 4318 and the driver is flaky at best, that's why im thinking of going back to ndis |
| 09:34.32 | parsonsd | yzrider088 : why does everyone need a windowmanager? |
| 09:34.33 | tigris | :\ |
| 09:34.47 | yzrider088 | because commandline is stupid for certain stuff |
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| 09:34.57 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: if msft doesn't own the source to their platform's "thin" client, they don't get to move to the old mainframe software-as-a-renewably-billed-service model |
| 09:34.57 | emss | yzrider088: for what? |
| 09:34.57 | Kevin` | tigris rmmod and unstall it, if I were you and you don't need it |
| 09:35.02 | CharminTheMoose | anyone here noticed that checkinstall 1.5.3 complains about not being able to create /doc-pak? |
| 09:35.03 | yzrider088 | i mean, on any of my *nix server boxes, i have no GUI at all, but for a desktop, yeah GUI is nice |
| 09:35.08 | valdyn | yzrider088: you just said you knew nothing about the (new) linux composite desktop, so you're hardly qualified to compare it to vista :) |
| 09:35.20 | parsonsd | yzrider088 : pointing and clicking on firewall settings, yeh, but that's why you write the config file for it and be done. |
| 09:35.21 | Kevin` | tigris well, truely, if I were you, I would spend $30 on a good quality card :) |
| 09:35.22 | yzrider088 | i can just know...show me screenshots/links to it then |
| 09:35.26 | CharminTheMoose | i thought it was supposed to be ./doc-pak |
| 09:35.35 | yzrider088 | valdyn: show me a link :D |
| 09:35.46 | tigris | Kevin`: i just spent my summer's savings on this one :\ i have no choice |
| 09:35.57 | Kevin` | you just bought a broadcom card why? :O |
| 09:36.10 | tigris | Kevin`: ndiswrapper.sf.net should have the docs right? |
| 09:36.14 | valdyn | yzrider088: mac os ox expose feature works visually identical in linux |
| 09:36.22 | Kevin` | tigris yes |
| 09:36.25 | yzrider088 | ok that's apple's creation |
| 09:36.29 | yzrider088 | let's talk about linux's ;P |
| 09:36.37 | Kevin` | why did you knowingly buy a broadcom based card if you use linux |
| 09:36.43 | yzrider088 | i like mac osx yes, im not talking about mac here |
| 09:36.47 | yzrider088 | something only for linux :D |
| 09:36.52 | valdyn | yzrider088: its the SAME in linux |
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| 09:37.01 | yzrider088 | thats fine, but its not linux's creation |
| 09:37.07 | valdyn | yzrider088: so? |
| 09:37.19 | valdyn | yzrider088: and vista 'invented' the same? |
| 09:37.20 | Kevin` | there is a window manager that IS linux's creation that beats windows, but I forget the name |
| 09:37.27 | Kevin` | i'm not into all that pretty crap |
| 09:37.28 | cast | http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5434/e17uq9.png e17, watching an eve trailer in mplayer :) |
| 09:37.29 | yzrider088 | Kevin`: thats what i want to see |
| 09:37.39 | centrx | Kevin`, Enlightenment 17? |
| 09:37.40 | freespace | linux the kernel is self-aware and creating window managers now? |
| 09:37.47 | Zap-W | say , what's the difference between , should've had , and should've |
| 09:37.48 | Kevin` | centrx that's not the one i'm thinking of |
| 09:38.06 | chorakm | Beryl? |
| 09:38.08 | centrx | cast, you have to get an image with doo-dads |
| 09:38.17 | Kevin` | chorakm ya that might be it |
| 09:38.23 | yzrider088 | my main problem with linux is simply games, thats pretty much it :P |
| 09:38.29 | chorakm | i use Beryl, it's pretty sweet |
| 09:38.45 | yzrider088 | get battlefield 2 / 2142 running on linux with fps >= windows and ill be forever amazed |
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| 09:39.03 | yzrider088 | till then, linux as a desktop is worthless to me |
| 09:39.11 | Kevin` | s/desktop/gaming pc |
| 09:39.13 | yzrider088 | gaming industry = huge...... |
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| 09:39.18 | fredl | How do I reset the debian-sys-maint password? |
| 09:39.20 | cast | so basically you don't want a desktop. you want a xbox, or something ;) |
| 09:39.24 | yzrider088 | no |
| 09:39.29 | yzrider088 | xbox < pc |
| 09:39.29 | fredl | can that be cleartext in debian.cnf? |
| 09:39.31 | emss | yzrider088: there are some fun opensource games :) |
| 09:39.40 | parsonsd | hehe. he wants a dreamcast.... |
| 09:39.46 | emss | yzrider088: tremulous warsow wesnoth etc. |
| 09:39.50 | chorakm | emss, name a few, out of curiousity |
| 09:39.52 | emss | bzflag |
| 09:39.57 | chorakm | thank you |
| 09:39.59 | Slaughter | hi gents |
| 09:40.11 | yzrider088 | heres my wish: *nix to take over corporate world for servers, mac osx to take over desktop os, microsoft to DIE |
| 09:40.13 | yzrider088 | that would be the best |
| 09:40.19 | yzrider088 | if games would work on mac osx 100% :D |
| 09:40.20 | Slaughter | how is it to deny all access with IPTABLES for 5 minutes? |
| 09:40.21 | emss | chorakm: www.tremulous.net and www.warsow.net |
| 09:40.36 | Kevin` | Slaughter quiet |
| 09:40.38 | chorakm | emss-thank you |
| 09:40.41 | parsonsd | geez. i usually wish just for world peace, but i'm just old i guess. |
| 09:40.48 | emss | there are also big games like UT and Quake which run on Linux and they have lots of community mods |
| 09:40.53 | yzrider088 | well |
| 09:41.09 | yzrider088 | UT/Quake used to be HUGE games, and still have tons of popularity, so yeah they have some pull |
| 09:41.14 | Kevin` | he wants the windows only games he's used to as a windows consumer :) |
| 09:41.15 | emss | there is also AAO |
| 09:41.17 | yzrider088 | they work sweet on linux |
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| 09:41.30 | yzrider088 | Kevin`: yes because they are superior to the ones on any other OS |
| 09:41.30 | yzrider088 | :D |
| 09:41.35 | Kevin` | nay. |
| 09:41.40 | Slaughter | I'm so so quiet |
| 09:41.46 | Kevin` | expensive does not a fun game make |
| 09:41.48 | xingu | Kevin`: ... but he wants them free |
| 09:41.53 | emss | also there is enemy-territory which has some mods like truecombat:elite |
| 09:42.06 | Kevin` | even 3d does not a fun game make |
| 09:42.19 | yzrider088 | i think mac osx is a superior OS to windows, but thats me personally :P |
| 09:42.25 | yzrider088 | can't you run mac on pc now too? |
| 09:42.38 | parsonsd | Slaughter i'd guess that it'd be easiest to have a default deny config and run it, then have at re run the old config |
| 09:42.39 | emss | my favorite game is arithmetic |
| 09:42.42 | yzrider088 | i know you can do windows on mac, but i thought you could do mac on pc :D |
| 09:42.42 | Kevin` | I wouldn't want to, the mac hardware is nice |
| 09:42.50 | fredl | grrr |
| 09:42.52 | valdyn | yzrider088: theoretically, hardware support os OSX surely is bad though |
| 09:42.54 | Kevin` | runs linux nicely :) |
| 09:42.54 | emss | it's part of the bsd games package |
| 09:43.11 | fredl | I try to install bugzilla, but the post script apparently cant connect to mysql |
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| 09:43.48 | yzrider088 | well fortunately Windows is only going to have one more operating system supposedly |
| 09:43.50 | yzrider088 | so that will be nice |
| 09:43.51 | parsonsd | cast : yeh, the conversation's old, but the obsd people do recommend compilation for the patches. |
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| 09:44.14 | yzrider088 | hopefully linus torvald will still be alive |
| 09:44.37 | Slaughter | i had a mistake, it's for one ip |
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| 09:45.03 | fredl | this is shitty that this is documented so poorly :/ |
| 09:45.24 | emss | castt nice e17 shot |
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| 09:45.40 | emss | cast: that is |
| 09:45.42 | emss | :) |
| 09:46.31 | yzrider088 | i wrote 99% of the linux kernel |
| 09:46.34 | yzrider088 | i am ubetr |
| 09:46.34 | yzrider088 | uber |
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| 09:51.52 | cast | is netcat in the default etch install? |
| 09:52.41 | schme | cast: it is not installed by default, no |
| 09:53.20 | geetarman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:53.24 | fredl | doesn't mysql --defaults-extra-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf give any user all rights on mysql? |
| 09:54.04 | fredl | hmm I guess that's why it's 666 |
| 09:54.07 | fredl | ehr 600 |
| 09:55.47 | freespace | you know, i am surprised no religious group has ever made a fuss about file permission 666 |
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| 09:56.11 | geetarman | lol |
| 09:56.25 | M3N | Hi, is it possible to have beryl in debian? how? i think i haave etch :P |
| 09:56.39 | geetarman | M3N - i have beryl running in debian |
| 09:56.40 | M3N | btw, i cant downoad kde :S |
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| 09:56.43 | M3N | how? |
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| 09:56.55 | M3N | apt-get install beryl doesnt work :P |
| 09:57.08 | geetarman | you need to add the correct repo to your sources.list |
| 09:57.12 | M3N | ok |
| 09:57.17 | M3N | any link? |
| 09:57.25 | M3N | i have fixed my sources on ubuntu before |
| 09:57.39 | M3N | so, just tell me what to do and i think i can do it :P |
| 09:58.19 | geetarman | sorry m3n i don't have a link right now, i am sure you can google something like install beryl debian etch |
| 09:58.24 | geetarman | and it will show you a repo you can use |
| 09:58.37 | geetarman | you got your graphics drivers installed right? |
| 09:58.43 | M3N | i hope so :P |
| 09:58.48 | M3N | i have gnome now |
| 09:58.55 | geetarman | yeah i got it running with gnome |
| 09:59.05 | M3N | but, what to change in sources.list? |
| 09:59.10 | M3N | onky ermove "#"? |
| 09:59.14 | geetarman | well |
| 09:59.17 | geetarman | gimme 1 sec |
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| 09:59.49 | CharminTheMoose | isn't there supposed to be some danger reading and writing to a file at the same time? |
| 10:00.07 | geetarman | deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/beryl/etch/ ./ |
| 10:00.10 | schme | CharminTheMoose: ... no ? |
| 10:00.19 | M3N | wtf? |
| 10:00.21 | M3N | add that? |
| 10:00.24 | M3N | looks scary :P |
| 10:00.26 | CharminTheMoose | i just read it somewhere |
| 10:00.33 | geetarman | haha, that is what i added |
| 10:00.45 | M3N | ok, i trust you :P |
| 10:00.46 | geetarman | but you don't just do apt-get install beryl, there are quite a few other packages you need |
| 10:00.53 | nvz | freespace: you could just tell them its actually 444 in decimal |
| 10:00.54 | M3N | but i hope it isnot virus or something like that :P |
| 10:01.02 | schme | CharminTheMoose: well you really can't read and write at the same time on your regular hard drive to start off with. |
| 10:01.02 | nvz | if my calculations are correcty |
| 10:01.06 | cast | we don't have viruses, we have root kits |
| 10:01.07 | geetarman | well m3n use at your own discretion |
| 10:01.18 | geetarman | but i haven't had any problems |
| 10:01.23 | M3N | yes, but, u know are it safe? |
| 10:01.30 | schme | M3N: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian |
| 10:01.34 | CharminTheMoose | cast:really? |
| 10:01.36 | freespace | nvz: nah, more fun to say its our way of marking files as evil |
| 10:01.39 | M3N | thx |
| 10:01.42 | freespace | like the evil bit on packets ;) |
| 10:01.44 | geetarman | M3N: no i can't guarantee it is safe |
| 10:01.53 | geetarman | and schme gives good links :) |
| 10:01.55 | cast | CharminTheMoose: well, *we* might not have root kits. but thats more what you have to be worried about |
| 10:02.28 | schme | geetarman: actually I asked google about "install beryl debian" and it was the one at the top (: |
| 10:02.52 | geetarman | hah! good work |
| 10:03.00 | geetarman | google works wonders |
| 10:03.13 | schme | yes. |
| 10:03.18 | geetarman | i'm not running x right now so i couldnt do google |
| 10:03.26 | M3N | but, when i have added tht to my sources.list, i just do a apt-get update and then apt-get isntall beryl? |
| 10:03.30 | freespace | what a sucky excuse :P |
| 10:03.41 | geetarman | m3n, right about the first part, but you have to apt-get install more packages than just beryl |
| 10:03.47 | schme | That is what the debian community is lacking. We are too nice. We should be more RTFM, bugger off (: |
| 10:03.48 | geetarman | ie...beryl-manager |
| 10:03.51 | M3N | ok, |
| 10:03.58 | M3N | can i write the exatly text? |
| 10:04.00 | schme | M3N: read the wiki page |
| 10:04.02 | M3N | im swedish :P |
| 10:04.05 | M3N | ok |
| 10:04.12 | schme | M3N: läs wikisidan jag länkade till (; |
| 10:04.28 | cast | schme: so what you're saying is we need a Debian GNU/kOpenBSD port :D |
| 10:04.40 | M3N | schme :P |
| 10:04.49 | M3N | det är svårt :P jag är lixxom lite newbie :P |
| 10:05.06 | schme | cast: Naah.. OpenBSD wouldn't be the same with GNU userland. for kFreeBSD it kinda makes sense |
| 10:05.21 | CharminTheMoose | shouldn't there be an option to remove a particular package and it's dependancies? |
| 10:05.26 | CharminTheMoose | with apt-get |
| 10:05.27 | schme | M3N: you need to add deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free to sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get install (some packages) |
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| 10:06.28 | schme | M3N: maybe a dist-upgrade too! woho! |
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| 10:06.35 | schme | CharminTheMoose: I think aptitude does that |
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| 10:06.56 | schme | oh oh |
| 10:07.06 | schme | M3N: no you need the line geetarman said too |
| 10:07.07 | schme | hah |
| 10:07.33 | cast | aptitude indeed does that, one of the reasons you should be using aptitude :) |
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| 10:08.03 | schme | hrm.. |
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| 10:08.33 | schme | M3N: From what I understand you might have to d/l the debs from the ubuntu repository and install with dpkg -i |
| 10:08.51 | M3N | never mind, i try to download kde :P |
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| 10:09.46 | schme | gl |
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| 10:10.20 | schme | cast: and official Debian/SunOS would be nice tho (: |
| 10:10.40 | cast | sunos -> solaris? |
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| 10:11.31 | parsonsd | cast : after you add the gui, yeh, sunos becomes solaris |
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| 10:11.35 | Mark_Iron | monrning |
| 10:11.55 | cast | i hope opensolaris comes out under the gpl :( |
| 10:12.01 | CharminTheMoose | good morning |
| 10:12.02 | csharpie | anyone see the movie? (solaris) |
| 10:12.06 | bobbyz | not gonna happen |
| 10:12.23 | cast | bobbyz: happened with java, though |
| 10:12.39 | Mark_Iron | yes csharpie .. I it not particular good :/ .. the movie |
| 10:12.43 | parsonsd | come to think of it, are there any wm now that have window widgets in locations like openlook hadthem? such as close window in the upper left instead of upper right? |
| 10:12.52 | bobbyz | yes, but there are no plans nor will there (ever?) be plans to release opensolaris under the gpl |
| 10:12.57 | Mark_Iron | +is @ csharpie |
| 10:13.04 | csharpie | really...crap i was thinkin about seein it |
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| 10:14.01 | schme | cast: ja.. solaris |
| 10:14.11 | cast | bobbyz: last i heard they were thinking about it, so they decided against it? http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/13/2210248 |
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| 10:14.16 | schme | cast: there is nexenta I suppose, but it is unofficial and all. |
| 10:14.27 | cast | ''We will take a close look at it,' Green said, adding that it was possible that the familiarity and comfort level many developers have with the GPL may result in Sun adopting it for OpenSolaris."' |
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| 10:15.41 | bobbyz | mmm...the sun people I've talked to (I sit in #opensolaris and #solaris a lot) are pretty confident, but who knows |
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| 10:16.48 | bobbyz | perhaps parts of their code, as you've seen with java, but the general concensus is that they would lose part of their competitive edge by making all of solaris license compatible with linux |
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| 10:17.20 | bobbyz | things like zfs and zones, as they are, can't be ported properly to linux |
| 10:17.37 | cast | perhaps not |
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| 10:17.49 | cast | but could linux drivers be ported to solaris? |
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| 10:18.04 | bobbyz | things such as java have already been reincarnated time and again, so they aren't losing much there |
| 10:18.16 | bobbyz | the solaris developers generally tend to think linux kernel code is garbage |
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| 10:18.20 | bobbyz | their words, not mine |
| 10:19.17 | cast | fair enough. i don't much like linux, so many local roots. i'll use kfreebsd port when it reaches testing :) |
| 10:19.32 | bobbyz | heh |
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| 10:20.01 | emss | cast openbsd |
| 10:20.15 | cast | 's performance kinda sucks |
| 10:20.16 | emss | cast you know about SELinux? |
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| 10:20.27 | emss | cast I run it on my desktop with no problems |
| 10:20.29 | schme | bobbyz: ZFS is nice indeed (: |
| 10:20.43 | emss | schme: what is nice about ZFS? |
| 10:20.51 | cast | yes, oh, was setting up SELinux a bitch? i didn't try since i figured it was going to be :\ |
| 10:21.07 | bobbyz | I like linux well enough, but then again I like a lot of different OSes and feel they all have their proper place...in the server world, I much prefer Solaris, especially now that I can use it for free for my own servers, but linux is a nice-enough OS for desktop use if you like unix |
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| 10:21.25 | emss | cast I have never used it |
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| 10:21.37 | emss | cast though I don't think it's that hard |
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| 10:21.57 | cast | emss: oh, you ran openbsd on your desktop? so did i, for a time |
| 10:22.10 | cast | emss: sadly i love apt. and have yet to find anything better :) |
| 10:22.11 | emss | cast I run it currently on my desktop |
| 10:22.19 | bobbyz | emss: ZFS is phenomenal. It fixes the write hole of raid5/6, is incredibly easy to administer, supports snapshots, compression, has checksumming, tons of stuff |
| 10:22.40 | emss | bobbyz: sounds nice |
| 10:22.54 | emss | I just setup reiserfs4 |
| 10:23.07 | cast | emss: i also like the gnu userland more, so Debian GNU/kFreeBSD seems a good idea to me :) |
| 10:23.13 | emss | bobbyz: would be nice if Linux or the BSD's gained ZFS support :) |
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| 10:23.36 | bobbyz | emss: the bsds can because of their licensing, but linux can't |
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| 10:23.55 | mo1991 | anyone have azureus working on debian etch? |
| 10:24.00 | bobbyz | the closest linux can come is through the userland with fuse (a project is in progress), but that's a pretty bad solution |
| 10:24.01 | emss | lots of new filesystems lately |
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| 10:24.20 | mo1991 | please help me I guess there is some java problem or something with azureus on etch - I do have suns' jre java installed? |
| 10:24.21 | bobbyz | emss: There are a lot of things to improve with current filesystems :) |
| 10:24.23 | emss | ZFS, reiserfs4, ufs2 etc. |
| 10:24.51 | emss | cast I love openbsd because it's simple |
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| 10:26.09 | tarzeau | cast: tried it yet? GNU/kFreeBSD, #gnu-kbsd ? |
| 10:26.11 | mo1991 | or is azureus just totally broken in debian etch - seems that way |
| 10:26.25 | tarzeau | emss: there's ufs tools for debian gnu/linux in experimental |
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| 10:26.34 | mo1991 | debian does seem to be lacking on anywahere near rercent version of bittorrent clients |
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| 10:26.49 | tarzeau | cast: you should try the new kfreebsd 6.1 based installer |
| 10:27.03 | tarzeau | cast: it'll take until lenny (if at all) it reaches testing |
| 10:27.30 | csharpie | mo1991 - no, i'm running azureus right now in debian etch |
| 10:27.32 | D-fence | Hi all |
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| 10:27.54 | mo1991 | csharpie - can u help me? fresh etch install |
| 10:28.11 | biz | hi, i'm trying to mount an iso cd image, file says ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data (bootable), i've used this command: mount image.iso /mnt/loop -o loop=/dev/loop0,blocksize=1024, it says mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or other error. /dev/loop0 is there, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y is from the actual kernel config. so is it due to the codepage? i don't know, dmesg is quiet |
| 10:28.15 | csharpie | mo1991 - do you have suns jre instaled |
| 10:28.26 | mo1991 | how do I get azurues graphical interface up? should just have to type azureus at the promt correct |
| 10:28.28 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 10:28.34 | mo1991 | yes do have etch's jre installed |
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| 10:28.44 | Kevin` | why did you give the block size |
| 10:28.49 | cast | tarzeau: i have tried it, :) |
| 10:28.52 | D-fence | I recently installed a Debian Unstable 64 bits and the root password is "cached" under gnome. When I'm logged in, it never ask the root password again. I would like to change that but I don't know where to start searching. |
| 10:28.52 | csharpie | yes, or it should be in your applications>internet menu if you have gnome... |
| 10:28.54 | csharpie | or what have you |
| 10:28.56 | mo1991 | csharpie - I do have amd64 version though |
| 10:29.02 | csharpie | ahhhh.... |
| 10:29.10 | csharpie | i am uncertain of the compatibility with that arch |
| 10:29.11 | cast | tarzeau: how far away is lenny, in sarge+X syntax? |
| 10:29.21 | biz | Kevin`: thanks, works without it! bah.. |
| 10:29.24 | tarzeau | cast: +1, 1-2 years |
| 10:29.33 | csharpie | i have 64 bit but i installed regular 386 |
| 10:29.37 | bobbyz | biz: a simple 'mount image.iso /mnt/iso -t iso9660 -o loop' should do fine for you |
| 10:29.44 | tarzeau | cast: but package like, it's fairly complete |
| 10:29.58 | tarzeau | cast: sound, x, networking all works great |
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| 10:30.45 | mo1991 | csharpie - when u type azureus a gui pops up though correct? |
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| 10:31.02 | csharpie | correct |
| 10:31.08 | emss | what is whiptail? |
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| 10:31.30 | mo1991 | can you see my privat message to u? That is what comes up at the command prompt for me |
| 10:31.39 | csharpie | sure |
| 10:31.44 | mo1991 | which java package do u have installed? |
| 10:31.57 | csharpie | i have sun 1.5.0_10 |
| 10:31.59 | mo1991 | I don't need to remove free-java or anything do I |
| 10:32.05 | D-fence | Does someone have an idea about my password caching "problem/feature" |
| 10:32.07 | mo1991 | installed from the etch repository? |
| 10:32.12 | csharpie | yes |
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| 10:32.17 | csharpie | installed from etch repo |
| 10:32.18 | cast | tarzeau: i'll have alook at it :), i probably wont use it as a desktop till it reaches testing though. :> |
| 10:32.46 | csharpie | sun-java5-bin |
| 10:32.53 | mo1991 | csharpie - sun-java5-bin ??? |
| 10:33.06 | csharpie | sorry, sun-java5-jre |
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| 10:33.49 | mo1991 | csharpie - all u had to do waas install azureus and sun-java5-jre and it worked?? I have both installed |
| 10:33.59 | csharpie | mo1991 - yes sir |
| 10:34.08 | csharpie | but i also am running i686 |
| 10:34.08 | mo1991 | hmm - mabe a amd64 thing |
| 10:34.12 | csharpie | not 64 |
| 10:34.15 | csharpie | could be |
| 10:34.17 | mo1991 | ya |
| 10:34.22 | bobbyz | mo1991: make sure to "update-alternatives' for your java |
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| 10:34.34 | mo1991 | bobbyz how do I do this? |
| 10:34.54 | mo1991 | bobbyz cause your saying azureus could be looking at the free-java pakcage? |
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| 10:35.16 | bobbyz | mo1991: update-alternatives --list java and then the corresponding set command |
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| 10:35.44 | mo1991 | bobbyz - is that why tho - cause your saying azureus could be looking at the free-java pakcage? |
| 10:35.50 | mo1991 | rather than the sun version? |
| 10:35.55 | diilbert | What is the dcopserver server service ? I get an error that it is not running when I try starting kde |
| 10:35.59 | bobbyz | yes or gcj or any number of others |
| 10:36.26 | bobbyz | diilbert: that's kde's interprocess messaging system |
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| 10:36.59 | bobbyz | diilbert: you need it |
| 10:37.14 | diilbert | boddyz: I got that... but how do I start it... or what do I install to get it running |
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| 10:37.21 | Spliffster | hi. is there a reliable way to detect a debian distribionand it's version ? i am running a couple of debian servers as well as debian derived desktops. i want to script some maintenance work but need to know the distribution. `uname -a` will give me the same info on all machines (except the kernel version which isn't a reliable info) |
| 10:37.22 | csharpie | bobbyz, i recall an easy way of using update-alternatives where you basically have a list of all alternatives and you just select which one you prefer, instead of using set, do you know of this? |
| 10:37.34 | diilbert | if I apt-cache search dcop I get nothing that seems useful |
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| 10:38.00 | cast | http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-badunixhabits.html?ca=lnxw01GoodUnixHabits hmm, i've learnt 4 things already :) |
| 10:38.31 | Spliffster | cast: altough their examples have errors :) |
| 10:38.38 | bobbyz | csharpie: no, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The only 'alternative' I mess with much is java and update-alternatives works fine for me |
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| 10:39.04 | anapivirtua | hi all |
| 10:39.31 | mo1991 | bobbyz - update alternatives shows |
| 10:39.38 | mo1991 | /usr/bin/gij-wrapper-4.1 |
| 10:39.38 | mo1991 | /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java |
| 10:39.48 | mo1991 | how do I set it to use the sun version |
| 10:40.30 | tarzeau | anyone needs a backport? |
| 10:40.39 | mo1991 | guess I'm not sure how to use a corresponding set command |
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| 10:40.42 | blaamann | Spliffster: Under /etc/apt you should find a couple of files containg the name of the realese |
| 10:40.51 | bobbyz | mo1991: update-alternatives --set java /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java |
| 10:41.20 | Spliffster | when usb block devices are conencted to my machine, this will change the device names of my internal drives. can i till the linux kernel not to look at usb block devices at boot time ? |
| 10:41.23 | bobbyz | mo1991: the alternatives system is just a bunch of symlinks to packages |
| 10:41.53 | mo1991 | bobbyz - unfortunately azurues doesn't work still |
| 10:41.58 | diilbert | Any advice on how to get the dcopserver service running ?? |
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| 10:42.29 | bobbyz | mo1991: you might want to rename your ~/.azureus to ~/.azuresus.old or something as well |
| 10:42.54 | Spliffster | diilbert: is it installed ? i am not a kde user but have been. sometimes dcop messes up with the files in your home directory (and or /tmp) ... you may want to clean them up |
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| 10:43.25 | mo1991 | bobbyz - thx but no luck |
| 10:44.10 | bobbyz | mo1991: dunno then. You installed it with apt and all of the dependencies were met, etc. correct? |
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| 10:44.49 | mo1991 | ya, do u see my pm showing what the command azurues gives? |
| 10:44.51 | mo1991 | make any sense? |
| 10:44.53 | mo1991 | fresh etch install only amd64 so maybe it's broken there |
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| 10:45.36 | mo1991 | bobbyz yes |
| 10:45.39 | bobbyz | mo1991: oh I didn't see the amd64 part. It's possible you'll have to use a 32bit version of java for azureus to work |
| 10:46.02 | bobbyz | but honestly I don't run an amd64 linux box so I wouldn't know |
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| 10:47.09 | diilbert | Spliffster: If I do something like "apt-cache search dcop" I get nothing that looking like "dcopserver" just some bindings... so I don't even know what I am looking for... |
| 10:47.31 | freespace | dcopserver is part of kde? |
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| 10:48.33 | diilbert | freespace: It requires it for interprocess comm |
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| 10:48.43 | freespace | right |
| 10:49.10 | bobbyz | diilbert: that should be part of one of the kdelibs packages |
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| 10:49.58 | freespace | normally jsut running any kde apps starts up the dcop server if it is not already running |
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| 10:50.15 | freespace | for me |
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| 10:51.18 | Zap-W | anyway i can tell firefox to load a website from cache? i don't understand it says to keep 50MB of cache i have reached only 6MB , and yet some sites i just browsed yesterday are not available when working offline |
| 10:52.31 | lowstream | How is everyone today |
| 10:54.25 | emss | lowstream: good |
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| 10:57.31 | HyperDevil | how can i run a command in quiet mode? only reporting errors nothing more? |
| 10:57.47 | HyperDevil | -quiet for that command does not excist |
| 10:58.02 | aidehua | How do I type a registered trademark symbol into my xterm? |
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| 10:59.09 | bobbyz | HyperDevil: redirect the command's output to /dev/null. Example: ls -al > /dev/null |
| 10:59.29 | bobbyz | doing that will only redirect stdout and not stderr, so you will still see errors |
| 10:59.32 | HyperDevil | bobbyz: i tryed that, the program still pops up |
| 10:59.47 | mickael__ | i'm trying to install debian etch, but : "Could not find kernel image: linux26" |
| 10:59.52 | diilbert | It prolly has something to do with using the same home dir as my sarge install.... I just reused the /home part and formatted the / part and installed etch |
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| 11:00.03 | mickael__ | any idea? please |
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| 11:00.14 | bobbyz | HyperDevil: when you say "pops up" do you mean it is a GUI program? |
| 11:00.26 | azeem | mickael__: etch is 2.6 by default |
| 11:00.54 | mickael__ | so, boot:<Enter> ? |
| 11:01.04 | azeem | yes, I guess |
| 11:01.10 | mickael__ | thanks |
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| 11:02.17 | diilbert | That is what it is ... any ideas what files in your home dir are related to dcopserver ? So I can remove them ? |
| 11:03.03 | HyperDevil | bobbyz: no its commando... |
| 11:03.14 | bobbyz | diilbert: check the permissions on the home directory...it's entirely possible that the user id from your other install doesn't match the user id from your new install |
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| 11:04.54 | HyperDevil | command > /dev/null and program still reports whats going on |
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| 11:05.34 | bobbyz | HyperDevil: some poorly written programs print everything to stderr...if that's the case, you could try piping stderr instead, but then you'd miss out on any error messages, so instead you'd have to pipe to grep or some other command and match error messages... |
| 11:05.38 | dondelelcaro | HyperDevil: because that only redirects the stdout, not the stderr. |
| 11:05.41 | bobbyz | but it depends entirely on the program you're running |
| 11:06.00 | HyperDevil | im running dvd+rw-format |
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| 11:06.52 | bobbyz | HyperDevil: well you can see if that's what is happening by trying 'command 2>/dev/null' |
| 11:07.12 | diilbert | boddyz: I already did that... what I did was delete the files/dirs that were created in the temp account home dir from my account home dir and tried again and it worked... I think I remember doing this last time... know... I should write that down for next time ;) |
| 11:07.16 | HyperDevil | now its empty... |
| 11:07.19 | HyperDevil | :d jeej |
| 11:08.11 | bobbyz | HyperDevil: yeah, so it's printing everything to stderr. Now you'll have to match whatever error messages you're looking for |
| 11:08.30 | bobbyz | unless of course it's printing errors to stdout...that would be kinda funky |
| 11:08.40 | Gnea | HyperDevil: command > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 11:08.46 | HyperDevil | lemme see |
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| 11:09.18 | HyperDevil | Gnea: its still empty |
| 11:09.32 | Gnea | HyperDevil: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 11:10.12 | HyperDevil | i want to quiet my dvd+rw-format bash script.. so that it only spits out errors nothing more.. |
| 11:10.45 | emss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:11.03 | emss | well rather just >/dev/null the output |
| 11:11.04 | emss | :\ |
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| 11:11.18 | HyperDevil | emss: that does not work i tryed that |
| 11:11.26 | Gnea | HyperDevil: what bash script? |
| 11:11.35 | HyperDevil | im writing my own backup scripts |
| 11:11.38 | bobbyZzz | emss: Gnea: his dvd+rw-format is writing standard messages to stderr |
| 11:11.52 | HyperDevil | jepp |
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| 11:11.59 | emss | 2>/dev/null ? |
| 11:12.04 | bobbyZzz | that's why I was telling him to pipe stderr to grep and match for whatever error messages he wants |
| 11:12.07 | Gnea | i beleive that's already been established. |
| 11:12.08 | war95 | !dpkg etch |
| 11:12.17 | Gnea | !etch |
| 11:12.17 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 11:12.20 | HyperDevil | also 2>&1 is empty |
| 11:12.31 | Gnea | it's supposed to be empty |
| 11:12.38 | HyperDevil | ok |
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| 11:12.42 | Gnea | i just didn't understand what you wanted to do originally |
| 11:12.54 | Gnea | HyperDevil: can you paste the script someplace? |
| 11:13.02 | HyperDevil | i can do that here |
| 11:13.06 | Gnea | no.. |
| 11:13.09 | Gnea | !paster |
| 11:13.09 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 11:13.18 | HyperDevil | dvd+rw-format -force $dvddrive |
| 11:13.55 | Gnea | that's the contents of the whole script? |
| 11:14.40 | HyperDevil | no... but i dont want to paste the whole script.. its about 900 lines and has a lott og password etc :P |
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| 11:15.05 | Gnea | so edit the juicy parts and paste it :P |
| 11:15.18 | HyperDevil | i can paste the first part :) |
| 11:15.27 | Gnea | that's no good :) |
| 11:15.28 | bobbyZzz | HyperDevil: anyway, I'm going to bed, but you're going to want to do the following: "dvd+rw-format -force $dvddrive 2>&1 | grep <patterns>" |
| 11:15.37 | HyperDevil | ;) thanks |
| 11:15.49 | HyperDevil | Gnea: you really want the script LOL |
| 11:15.51 | bobbyZzz | that redirects stderr to stdout and pipes that to grep |
| 11:15.54 | bobbyZzz | so you can grep your errors |
| 11:15.58 | HyperDevil | thanks dude |
| 11:15.58 | Gnea | HyperDevil: didn't say i didn't |
| 11:16.16 | bobbyZzz | np |
| 11:16.23 | Gnea | cool |
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| 11:17.31 | HyperDevil | Gnea, tar has the same problem everytime i tar something i get this: tar: Removing leading `/' from member names how can i remove that? |
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| 11:18.06 | Gnea | HyperDevil: i've got my own backup script too, figured we might learn a few things from one another :) |
| 11:18.17 | HyperDevil | :) aha ok |
| 11:18.18 | Gnea | sec, i'll post mine |
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| 11:20.05 | HyperDevil | ok thats no prob.. i have scripts for, ftp, disc, dvd etc with encryption :) |
| 11:20.14 | HyperDevil | blowfish |
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| 11:21.02 | adamt | which package provides the simplemargins latex style in debian? |
| 11:21.15 | HyperDevil | gnea: i have to register my nickname 1 sec |
| 11:21.18 | Slaughter | how is it to deny all access by one ip with IPTABLES during 5 minutes? |
| 11:21.19 | azeem | adamt: it's not in the default ones? |
| 11:21.20 | Gnea | HyperDevil: ok |
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| 11:22.25 | adamt | azeem: latex can't find it at least |
| 11:22.53 | schme | adamt: I did a search .. http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=simplemargins&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 it is in no package it seems |
| 11:23.16 | adamt | =/ |
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| 11:24.08 | schme | adamt: Can't you just grab it from some latex site and put it wherever debian puts it's styles ... ? |
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| 11:26.15 | adamt | schme: seems like it's not that easy to find it, but thank you for the idea, i'll look into it |
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| 11:33.41 | schme | adamt: Is it this one http://www.control.aau.dk/~bvso01/all_projects/p5/report/latex/sty/simplemargins.sty ? |
| 11:34.10 | adamt | might be - any idea where i should place it? |
| 11:34.21 | schme | Hrm.. |
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| 11:34.25 | schme | not the slightest :D |
| 11:35.24 | schme | adamt: I would imagine there is some place where latex looks for styles ... the best would be if you could configure it to look in ~/styles or wherever .. putting random files in /usr/share/somethingsomething just seems naughty |
| 11:35.38 | adamt | yup |
| 11:35.40 | schme | adamt: I'll browse around a bit here.. and you're right. simplemargins.sty was heck to find :D |
| 11:37.25 | dli | adamt, put it where you keep your .tex file |
| 11:37.43 | schme | adamt: http://www.ctan.org/installationadvice/ seems a very good read |
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| 11:38.12 | cast | curious how tasksel Desktop Environment installs gnome but not fam |
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| 11:38.28 | cast | [good, though. i hate portmap |
| 11:38.43 | adamt | dli: yes, that works for now, but it sucks to have to copy the files everytime i start something in another folder |
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| 11:40.55 | Sypher | hey guys, quick question ... i'd like openvpn to connect to a remote server via a particoular route, but the default route of the system for that host should stay the same ... (i've got 2 lines, i want openvpn to connect trough eth2 and not eth1, but normal connections betwewn those 2 computers are to be made trough eth1) ... any help? |
| 11:44.02 | schme | adamt: You can configure tex to look for styles in ~/latex/sty or wherever ... |
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| 11:46.00 | bobbyZzz | Sypher: I won't go into depth on this since I really do need to go to sleep, but what you'll want to do is do advanced policy routing based on fwmarks made by iptables. Mark openvpn packets in iptables and then route them based on their mark status |
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| 11:46.42 | Sypher | bobbyZzz, just a thing, so you confirm that in no way i can do this within openvpn? |
| 11:46.49 | sam_uk | hi could anyone please help me to work out why my network info applet says it has no network connections, when it in fact does? it says nma_dbus_init could not aquire due to security policy. |
| 11:47.20 | bobbyZzz | Sypher: I've only used openvpn on occasion, but no, I don't think it supports such a thing internally |
| 11:47.38 | Sypher | bobbyZzz, ok, thanks for the help i will look into that direction, have a nice sleep ! |
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| 11:47.51 | bobbyZzz | Sypher: thank you and good luck |
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| 11:54.31 | sam_uk | does anyone know where the network info GUI gets it's info from? |
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| 12:03.14 | iLL_L0gic | hate to ask, but I apparently can't access anything through port 80 (IE: no browsers).....can anybody give me a link for the latest Firefox to download? |
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| 12:05.43 | phated | Er... wget would use port 80 -too-. |
| 12:07.07 | cast | he might want ftp |
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| 12:07.18 | cast | Unknown host "ftp.firefox.org". |
| 12:07.19 | cast | :( |
| 12:07.37 | cast | ftp.mozilla.org yay |
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| 12:08.13 | cast | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/2.0/ |
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| 12:11.02 | MatBoy | wow installing Debian on a single 500 Xeon is not that fast :) |
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| 12:12.35 | CAiRO | how can i change the "backspace" keybinding in nautilus? so it won't do anything when i press backspace (instead of permanently deleting a file) |
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| 12:17.14 | s0le | can smbd say what i should type in apt sources.list to upgrade to unstable dist? |
| 12:17.28 | s0le | only change word stable to unstable? |
| 12:17.32 | asg | s0le: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:17.45 | s0le | thx |
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| 12:18.06 | cast | oh. smbd = somebody...i thought he was asking if the sambe daemon could tell him :\ |
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| 12:18.16 | cast | samba* |
| 12:18.18 | s0le | :) |
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| 12:18.47 | sredna | Why do I have a process /usr/sbin/apt-index-watcher eating my CPU cycles all the time? |
| 12:18.58 | sredna | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:19.38 | Trewas | CAiRO: eh, backspace in nautilus goes one directory level up here, and there doesn't seem to be any obvious way to change keyboard shortcuts |
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| 12:20.48 | CAiRO | Trewas: usually you move your mouse pointer above some menu entry and then press the key-combination you want for that action.. but as i can't find the one for backspace, i can't change it.. and in addition, backspace suggests to delete the file even when i press it while renaming the file which is really nasty |
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| 12:23.37 | Trewas | CAiRO: I wasn't aware of that... at least there is option to show option for permanently deleting a file in nautilus configs, though with earlier versions of gnome that had to be enabled by fumbling with gconf |
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| 12:26.29 | CAiRO | Trewas: ok, thanks for the hint, i'll try to look in gconf |
| 12:27.29 | cast | !debian-multimedia |
| 12:27.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 12:29.40 | samo | hi, can someone help me through resizing a partition without loosing data ? |
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| 12:31.46 | l3mr | i'm having some problems fully understanding shorewall traffic shaping. i have a setup: isp->firewall(eth1)->firewall.local(eth2)->local machines... now, if i want to guarantee certain local machines a ping of 50 or less, where to i have to do the shaping, on eth2 or eth1? |
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| 12:35.04 | s0le | i change stable to sid in sources.list and it say |
| 12:35.10 | s0le | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4828 |
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| 12:36.38 | buscon | Hi, I need to remap a key of my laptop: what can I use? |
| 12:36.51 | asg | s0le: you didn't read the sid faq |
| 12:37.31 | s0le | i really read |
| 12:37.37 | s0le | ok, go ready 2nd time |
| 12:37.42 | s0le | read^ |
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| 12:40.35 | Eulex | buscon, xmodmap |
| 12:41.12 | Suprano_ | hmmm my UT2004 crashes if it got access to the sound device. if e.g. music plays and i don't use aoss for ut2004 then it can'T access the snd dev and starts without sound.. then it works. else it crashes. That all start after i compiled lamip, installed it, and then suddendly the overall sound was gone, but the palyers didn't notice it. after a restart that problem was gone. I tried now to recompile alsa, to reinstall alsa-oss and i reinstall libc6 |
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| 12:42.27 | buscon | Eulex, ok but I've got some problems... so I wanted to try smt graphical like xkeycaps |
| 12:42.45 | geo-rge | s0le: first... you can run sid if you want to... it will give you lates -packages- that maintainers have uploaded (other than experimental) |
| 12:42.46 | kala | up-to-date debian unstable, installing lyx with tetex-bin or texlive and the lyx cannot find the article class. is there a some package I'm missing or is it something to do with /usr/share/texmf-tetex and /usr/share/texmf-texlive directories not being recognized? |
| 12:43.11 | vlt | Hello. I'm facing a runlevel problem, I think. When I boot the script /etc/init.d/cryptdisks finishes with an error "wrong passphrase" but it doesn't ask me. When I later do the same manually it works. Any idea? |
| 12:43.15 | asg | kala: first, check the bts to see if it's a known issue |
| 12:44.10 | kala | asg: bts stands for bug tracking system? |
| 12:44.19 | asg | kala: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:45.11 | geo-rge | s0le: but sid is known and allowed to break. if you accept responsibility for that and know that sid is -not- supported here (we can /msg dpkg pal when you complain about problems), go for it |
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| 12:46.05 | s0le | geo-rge, ok, i just thing about it |
| 12:46.25 | geo-rge | s0le: got a spare machine? |
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| 12:47.02 | s0le | geo-rge, yes |
| 12:47.13 | geo-rge | howbout put sid on that? |
| 12:47.23 | geo-rge | if you want to see it |
| 12:47.36 | s0le | a bit later:) |
| 12:48.25 | geo-rge | the problem is that it's unknown on a daily basis whether sid's -base- can even be upgraded to (it's where the action is) |
| 12:48.38 | abchirk | hi all, I got /blabla/myOtherDIR ..in blabla is one .htaccess which requieres one user with passwd, but i dont want that OtherDIR requires a user...how i can do that? with another .htaccess in OtherDIR? |
| 12:49.23 | geo-rge | probably that would work... try and see |
| 12:49.43 | abchirk | hm but how? |
| 12:49.44 | blondie | #apache |
| 12:49.52 | abchirk | hm rgr |
| 12:49.57 | geo-rge | you don't know how to edit files? |
| 12:50.25 | abchirk | i know...i tried with "AuthType None" but didnt work |
| 12:50.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know what command to pass to hdparm to have it spin down a drive after five minutes? |
| 12:50.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | the man page is rather useless |
| 12:51.28 | geo-rge | Dark_Apostrophe: what have you tried? what result did you expect? what result did you get? |
| 12:52.07 | CAiRO | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.07 | CAiRO | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:52.07 | CAiRO | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.11 | CAiRO | from the man page :) |
| 12:52.38 | asg | CAiRO: apparently that's useless information |
| 12:52.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | CAiRO: Yeah, but how does one set the time? The numbers are strange. I don't think it uses seconds or minutes, but some other weird thing. |
| 12:53.16 | azeem | Dark_Apostrophe: it might use multiples of 5 seconds |
| 12:53.19 | azeem | but I am not sure |
| 12:53.21 | geo-rge | Dark_Apostrophe: is the wered thing it uses in the man pages? |
| 12:53.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | That could be a possibility. |
| 12:53.28 | CAiRO | asg: why's that useless? it tells him the command (-S) to use |
| 12:53.34 | asg | "The encoding of the timeout value is somewhat peculiar." <-- from the sid manpage |
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| 12:53.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | geo-rge: I can't see it, but the man page is quite large. I didn't read the whole thing. |
| 12:53.58 | geo-rge | Dark_Apostrophe: oh :) the plot thickens :) |
| 12:54.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Smartarse. :) |
| 12:55.04 | geo-rge | while I do congratulate you for starting to read the man page, it just would have been nice if you put stuff in your question that showed what you were thinking about |
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| 12:55.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think I found it |
| 12:55.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | take as long as 30 seconds to respond to a subsequent disk access, though most drives are |
| 12:55.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:55.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh shit |
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| 12:55.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry about that |
| 12:55.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | It was two lines |
| 12:55.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | I didn't think it would paste it as four |
| 12:56.20 | geo-rge | I usually put multiline stuff into an editor and reformat it myself |
| 12:56.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | I should have done it. |
| 12:56.47 | bonez41 | I am putting a new system together for my son...for Christmas...it's running and has win xp pro installed...it has a 250 gb drive...but xp pro only 'see's 131 gb of that drive.....why would xp pro not see the entire drive, despite it showing in BIOS.... |
| 12:56.52 | geo-rge | no worries for now, but a present for the future |
| 12:57.33 | geo-rge | bonez41: maybe you need the specific driver for the controller |
| 12:57.38 | Feax | how to upgrade sarge to etch ? |
| 12:57.53 | SmallR2002 | someone up there has a weird sense of humour |
| 12:58.00 | bonez41 | geo-rge, hmmm perhaps.... |
| 12:58.02 | geo-rge | !sarge -> etch |
| 12:58.13 | blondie | Feax: replace all instances of "sarge" with "etch" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:58.17 | blondie | then run apt-get update |
| 12:58.20 | SmallR2002 | the first time in my life that i actually want to open a word document i don't have oo.o installed |
| 12:58.22 | blondie | and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:58.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | hdparm -S 60 /dev/hdb |
| 12:58.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | setting standby to 60 (5 minutes) |
| 12:58.32 | bonez41 | geo-rge, I'd like to now install debian...on this system...for dual boot....should just booting with a debian cd work? |
| 12:58.34 | geo-rge | Feax: and before you do that |
| 12:58.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Woohoo! :) |
| 12:59.12 | geo-rge | Dark_Apostrophe: I jest new yew cud do it! |
| 12:59.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | geo-rge: lol |
| 12:59.33 | kala | asg: checked the bts for lyx and tetex-base packages but I din't found anythign useful. The 'kpsewhich -var-value=TEXMFDIST' command gives /usr/share/texmf-{texlive,tetex}, I wonder why pdflatex or any other command doesn't use it. |
| 12:59.41 | viashino | bonez41: Yes, If you crated the partitions properly |
| 12:59.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: You're not the first one to make a joke of my nickname. |
| 12:59.59 | blondie | and I won't be the last ;) |
| 13:00.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: There's a guy in #xmule who now goes by the name of Nefarious Comma :) |
| 13:00.22 | viashino | bonez41: and it will find your XP, and auotmagically add a line in your grub conf |
| 13:00.32 | geo-rge | one could guess he's usually commatose |
| 13:00.42 | Feax | blondie: I replace sarge or stable ? |
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| 13:00.52 | geo-rge | Feax: yes |
| 13:01.01 | geo-rge | and comment out the security line for now |
| 13:01.04 | Feax | sarge and stable to etch ? |
| 13:01.06 | asg | kala: not sure; maybe ##latex or #latex knows |
| 13:01.09 | geo-rge | yes |
| 13:01.16 | kala | asg: m'kay |
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| 13:01.31 | viashino | Feax: Please, pay attention to your dist-upgrade sequence |
| 13:01.42 | viashino | Feax: you should (in order) |
| 13:01.43 | bonez41 | viashino, well, I haven't partitioned the drive yet..... |
| 13:01.57 | viashino | Feax: install a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:02.05 | viashino | Feax: upgrade aptitude |
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| 13:02.13 | viashino | Feax: run dist-upgrade |
| 13:02.22 | blondie | aptitude? |
| 13:02.27 | blondie | rubbish program |
| 13:02.33 | bonez41 | viashino, I am thinking that debian will be a lot more intelligent about the drive..and see it all....and then allow me to carve it up into the partitions I need for swap, linux and fat32 for shared data |
| 13:02.38 | Feax | so I do what ? |
| 13:02.49 | Feax | I have 2.6 kernel |
| 13:02.55 | geo-rge | edit sources.list |
| 13:03.06 | geo-rge | change all stable to etch |
| 13:03.06 | Feax | okai |
| 13:03.12 | geo-rge | change all sarge to etch |
| 13:03.20 | geo-rge | comment out security line |
| 13:03.30 | geo-rge | then save the file |
| 13:03.30 | blondie | !etch |
| 13:03.30 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 13:03.57 | viashino | bonez41: well, if you left free space (so you have 1 winXP partition and the rest is not partitioned), it will do all automatic |
| 13:03.58 | abrotman | leave the security line .. it exists |
| 13:04.06 | Feax | geo-rge: and for backports I do what ? I comment ? |
| 13:04.10 | bonez41 | viashino, ok, I'll give it a try |
| 13:04.24 | geo-rge | yeah, I dont believe there are etch backports yet |
| 13:04.46 | geo-rge | abrotman: what was the problem the other day? were you here? |
| 13:05.09 | abrotman | which other day ? |
| 13:05.12 | Feax | ?past |
| 13:05.13 | bonez41 | geo-rge, if one were to alter ones sources.list file to all etch...might one break the current installation, in moving to testing/etch? |
| 13:05.39 | viashino | blondie: I always use apt-get, but since the upgrade problem, I followed letterally the Upgrade Release Notes... :D |
| 13:06.00 | geo-rge | I dunno :) someone was having problems with security. when upgrading to etch, we had him comment it out, update, dist-upgrade, no problems |
| 13:06.10 | blondie | I tried aptitude once... it seemed to want to remove half my system so I left it alone |
| 13:06.16 | abrotman | maybe there's no alias for etch .. which would be stupid IMO |
| 13:06.45 | geo-rge | abrotman: hmm... on security... how can we check |
| 13:07.05 | abrotman | try it :) |
| 13:07.27 | geo-rge | what is the security line for etch? |
| 13:07.34 | Feax | geo-rge: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4829 is that good ? |
| 13:08.01 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | if you use contrib/non-free |
| 13:08.13 | viashino | Feax: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faq |
| 13:08.25 | Feax | abrotman: I add it for upgrade sarge to etch ? |
| 13:08.45 | abrotman | sure why not! |
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| 13:09.48 | viashino | Feax: Before running your upgrade, make a backup copy of your data :D |
| 13:09.58 | Feax | lol viashino :> |
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| 13:11.14 | geo-rge | Feax: it's good to start with |
| 13:11.20 | Feax | viashino: what is the command for set the pin priority to 1001 ? |
| 13:11.24 | Feax | geo-rge: so I add the security line ? |
| 13:12.16 | viashino | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 13:12.21 | geo-rge | yes, and change stable/updates to etch/updates |
| 13:12.30 | Feax | okay |
| 13:12.52 | geo-rge | try an apt-get update |
| 13:13.00 | geo-rge | see if that works |
| 13:13.09 | kala | asg: fount the stale TEXINPUTS variable from my environment. After unseting everything works :) |
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| 13:13.20 | asg | kala: ah, cool |
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| 13:14.58 | kike | somebody know any blog of linux games? |
| 13:15.22 | Feax | geo-rge: now apt-get update and dist-upgrade ? |
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| 13:16.16 | abrotman | happypenguin.org |
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| 13:16.33 | geo-rge | Feax: just update |
| 13:16.51 | Feax | why not upgrade ? |
| 13:17.00 | geo-rge | to test |
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| 13:17.10 | Feax | test what ? |
| 13:17.28 | geo-rge | to see if errors are produced |
| 13:17.37 | Feax | geo-rge: no |
| 13:17.44 | Feax | there is no error |
| 13:17.48 | geo-rge | so update worked? |
| 13:18.13 | geo-rge | ok, try this... apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
| 13:18.29 | geo-rge | and watch the output for errors |
| 13:19.29 | Feax | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade is better no ? |
| 13:19.32 | geo-rge | no. |
| 13:19.55 | geo-rge | apt-get -d dist-upgrade |
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| 13:20.02 | Feax | ok it is run |
| 13:20.11 | geo-rge | watch as it runs |
| 13:20.23 | Feax | that downloads |
| 13:21.13 | geo-rge | if it completes without error, do it again without -d |
| 13:21.17 | Feax | 19 minuts :( |
| 13:21.21 | Feax | okay |
| 13:21.47 | Feax | after I install xgl if it worked :D |
| 13:21.49 | viashino | geo-rge: you think he won't run into the Kernel Removal bug? |
| 13:22.05 | geo-rge | what bug is that? |
| 13:22.24 | geo-rge | why does he need to remove a kernel? |
| 13:22.30 | viashino | geo-rge: I upgraded two machines today and had this problem, at the end of the dist-upgrade, apt will thell you he wants to remove your kernel |
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| 13:23.18 | viashino | geo-rge: I didn't understood very well, but it seems that if you upgrade your tools (like aptitude) and then you do dist-upgrade, it doesn't happens at all |
| 13:23.28 | viashino | (just done on and worked) |
| 13:23.30 | geo-rge | Feax: ok, before you run that without the -d, you might want to upgrade your kernel |
| 13:23.45 | viashino | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=41763&sid=68c3df7ef9e25fa4f76103af90e0740e |
| 13:23.57 | geo-rge | maybe the problem is in libapt? |
| 13:24.33 | Feax | geo-rge: why ? I am on 2.6 |
| 13:24.49 | geo-rge | cat /proc/version |
| 13:25.29 | viashino | geo-rge: Yes, I think its about some library that is needed, but doing in order |
| 13:25.35 | viashino | 1-Kernel Upgrade |
| 13:25.40 | viashino | 2-Aptitude Upgrade |
| 13:25.45 | viashino | 3-Dist-Upgrade |
| 13:25.50 | viashino | seems to work |
| 13:25.59 | geo-rge | is aptitude compiled static? |
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| 13:26.08 | viashino | dunno |
| 13:26.18 | Feax | geo-rge: Linux version 2.6.18-1-686 (Debian 2.6.18-2~bpo.1) (kmuto@debian.org) (gcc ãã¼ã¸ã§ã³ 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Sun Oct 8 04:02:31 UTC 2006 |
| 13:26.37 | viashino | 2.6.18-3 should be current |
| 13:26.38 | geo-rge | Feax: that should be alright |
| 13:26.47 | Feax | okay geo-rge :) |
| 13:27.24 | rastilin | viashino, Don't the sources only exist for 2.6.18-2? |
| 13:27.31 | blondie | who broke this window? |
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| 13:28.24 | viashino | geo-rge: I don't know if it is static, how can I find if it is |
| 13:28.57 | viashino | rastilin:don't know about sources but there is a linux-image-2.6.18-3 |
| 13:29.16 | geo-rge | well it would be nice if it could run in a sarge env... otherwise, upgrading would cause problems |
| 13:29.53 | viashino | geo-rge: if you run the upgrade of aptitude in sarge, the new aptitude will work without problems |
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| 13:30.40 | geo-rge | viashino: in this case we're not using aptitude at all... but if the problem is in the lib, we'll run into it |
| 13:30.45 | dorel__ | ummm, odd thing is when I boot grub with video settings like vga=791 and xorg starts my console (ctrl+alt+f1) is all messed up |
| 13:30.56 | dorel__ | this could be because of my tv-out settings but i'm not sure... does anyone have a clue? |
| 13:31.29 | viashino | geo-rge: yes I know, but i was using apt-get (and had this problem), then decidedo to follow the release notes |
| 13:31.39 | viashino | geo-rge: where they use aptitude |
| 13:32.10 | rastilin | ciashino, Yeah, but what happens when you need to compile a module for that image? |
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| 13:33.57 | blondie | FFS |
| 13:33.59 | viashino | rastlin: I just checked, there is the headers package available (2.6.18-3) |
| 13:34.17 | HyperDevil | does somebody know when i run uptime, that i only see the uptime, nothing more? |
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| 13:34.44 | nikolavp_ | ls |
| 13:35.47 | sussudio | !sing sunday |
| 13:35.47 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 13:36.37 | rastilin | viashino, Cool, glad to know that. |
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| 13:37.06 | n0mad | hi. just dist-upgraded to 2.6.18-3 (etch) . the kernel seems to dislike my usb mouse. jerky response. nothing obvious in the messages. any suggestions ? |
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| 13:38.10 | viashino | n0mad: before you had a 2.4 kernel? |
| 13:38.44 | HyperDevil | uptime | awk '{print $2 " " $3 " " $4 " " $5}' | sed -e 's/,//g' |
| 13:39.30 | n0mad | viashino: nope. 2.6.17 works well |
| 13:39.42 | viashino | n0mad: mmm, have you seen http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html |
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| 13:42.59 | jeremyM | hello everybody, im trying to download debian 3.1_r0a iso's, my question is how many iso's do i have to download because there are 14 of them? |
| 13:43.07 | sam_uk | hi is it possible to get a DRI module working on 64bit using testing repos? |
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| 13:44.06 | asg | jeremyM: do you have a supported network card? if so, get either the first iso or even a smaller netinstall iso. |
| 13:44.10 | sam_uk | when i run module-assist it does not show a module DRI |
| 13:44.15 | asg | jeremyM: the rest you can install via the net |
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| 13:44.48 | jeremyM | asg but what if i want full install? |
| 13:45.08 | cusco | sam_uk: is it loaded on xorg.conf? |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | you'll get it from the intarweb |
| 13:45.08 | dvs | jeremyM: the rest you can install via the net |
| 13:45.16 | dvs | no, the internets |
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| 13:45.41 | asg | jeremyM: the term 'full install' makes no sense in Debian |
| 13:45.52 | pumpkin0 | jeremyM: if you go "full install" download all the 14-15 iso for a offline install. |
| 13:45.58 | n0mad | viashino: its a brand new install and 2.6.17-2 worked without flaws and none of the probs from the your link showed up. |
| 13:46.07 | geo-rge | you can get full install (but what does that mean to you?) |
| 13:46.18 | sam_uk | will i have to build from source if dmesg | grep drm. returns no results? or is there a package for this stuff? |
| 13:46.33 | jeremyM | ok so i only need to d/l iso1 then the netinstall iso ok |
| 13:46.46 | geo-rge | you don't need any cds |
| 13:46.48 | pumpkin0 | jeremyM: only the netinstall iso. |
| 13:46.56 | CharminTheMoose | if iwconfig eth1 displays something along the lines of essid:off/any and the access point is set as:not associated. how can i fill in those fields? |
| 13:47.12 | geo-rge | you can start from 2-5 floppies |
| 13:47.27 | viashino | n0mad: no idea (never used a usb mouse). Sorry |
| 13:47.31 | asg | CharminTheMoose: iwconfig eth1 essid <SSID> |
| 13:47.31 | jeremyM | ok ok im sorry im new at this lol |
| 13:47.50 | geo-rge | all I'm saying is you have more choices |
| 13:48.30 | jeremyM | so ill only d/l the netinstall iso |
| 13:48.38 | CharminTheMoose | asg:despite that,it still doesn't work. any other tips? |
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| 13:48.58 | pumpkin0 | jeremyM: right. And you will need internet-acc during the whole install. That will download the rest. |
| 13:49.00 | geo-rge | tip: determine the problem :) |
| 13:49.04 | asg | CharminTheMoose: you might make sure you do iwconfig eth1 mode managed. |
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| 13:49.07 | n0mad | viashino: thx anyway ;) |
| 13:49.11 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
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| 13:49.19 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:49.20 | jeremyM | ok thanks alot pumpkin0 |
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| 13:49.27 | asg | CharminTheMoose: you still need to attach to the AP. Either using dhcp (dhclient) or static (ifup <foo>) |
| 13:49.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: you have no idea what happened |
| 13:49.37 | Wyzard | CharminTheMoose: "iwlist scan" -- does your wireless network show up there? |
| 13:49.38 | jeremyM | and geo-rge thanks too ;) |
| 13:49.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: WRT what ? |
| 13:49.46 | CharminTheMoose | brb |
| 13:49.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh wait, it's got nothing to do with Debian |
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| 13:50.03 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:50.11 | sam_uk | could anyone help me to get a dri kernel module working pls? |
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| 13:50.47 | abrotman | sam_uk: what's wrong with yours ? |
| 13:52.08 | CharminTheMoose | back |
| 13:52.16 | CharminTheMoose | my wireless does show up |
| 13:52.20 | CharminTheMoose | as eth1 |
| 13:52.38 | CharminTheMoose | cell 1 is another wireless network and cell 2 is my network. |
| 13:52.44 | CharminTheMoose | both are in mode managed |
| 13:53.04 | CharminTheMoose | is it that my wireless is trying to get into the cell 1 network? |
| 13:53.05 | DJ_VLADI | !hack CharminTheMoose |
| 13:53.13 | DJ_VLADI | !delete wina na CharminTheMoose |
| 13:53.27 | asg | CharminTheMoose: it shouldn't if you set the correct SSID for the AP to which you wish to attach. |
| 13:53.28 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: there are 2 layers to setup: iwconfig and ifconfig. Don't try to setup the iwconfig-options in ifconfig and vis-versa. |
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| 13:54.27 | CharminTheMoose | asg, so i gotta manually go sudo iwconfig eth1 ap myaccesspoint |
| 13:54.42 | CharminTheMoose | and somehow change it to cell 1? |
| 13:54.51 | asg | CharminTheMoose: do both have the same SSID? |
| 13:55.02 | geo-rge | or just use cell2 |
| 13:55.25 | CharminTheMoose | nope,one is called eircom1124 11023 which is the other network and i've set my essid to ohtehnoes |
| 13:55.37 | CharminTheMoose | the eircom one is in cell 1 |
| 13:56.18 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: OK, so why didn´t you set the essid to "eircom1124 11023" |
| 13:56.52 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0,uh 'cos it's not my router |
| 13:56.55 | geo-rge | that's not his net I thought |
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| 13:57.18 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 13:57.41 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: but it is your WLAN-NIC inside your PC, right ? Why didn´t you set that essid to eir...something ? |
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| 13:58.49 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0, i'm some what confused now. |
| 13:59.04 | Fox_1_ | i'm a little ( :) )ISP. I want to limit traffic for clients. I know how to limit it by squid, but. I need limit when client download/upload big file( for example 5MB). |
| 13:59.11 | Fox_1_ | is it real to do? |
| 13:59.36 | asg | Fox_1_: check lartc.org |
| 13:59.36 | pumpkin0 | !confuse CharminTheMoose |
| 13:59.36 | dpkg | No, where was my weasel today, CharminTheMoose? wellies of the monarchy of belarus with extra ham |
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| 13:59.57 | CharminTheMoose | i'm guessing that wlan-nic is what i've set my wireless id is?~ |
| 14:00.16 | CharminTheMoose | which i set to 'ohtehnoes' |
| 14:00.28 | CharminTheMoose | for humour purposes |
| 14:00.57 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: you have a WLAN-NIC (the thing inside your PC) and a AP (the thing that gets you online). Both have to have the SAME essid. |
| 14:01.28 | blondie | is there a linux program that'll extract icons from a windows .exe file? :| |
| 14:01.42 | geo-rge | so he scans for existing essids and picks the one corresponding to his wap... right? |
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| 14:01.54 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0,ah now i understand |
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| 14:02.03 | CharminTheMoose | so how do i select which one? |
| 14:02.04 | blondie | geo-rge: who does? |
| 14:02.19 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: i think he set 2 different essid and now tries to connect them ... |
| 14:02.21 | Ra1 | firefox in debian sid failed to start, anyone meet this problem? |
| 14:02.34 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: use the one that is setup in your AP. |
| 14:02.35 | blondie | objects don't have gender! |
| 14:02.36 | asg | Ra1: failed to start how? What error? |
| 14:02.50 | geo-rge | pumpkin0: one of which represents someone else's wireless net? |
| 14:02.57 | Ra1 | no error, I press firefox, it don't show anything |
| 14:03.03 | CharminTheMoose | geo-rge: yes |
| 14:03.05 | asg | Ra1: open an xterm, type 'firefox' |
| 14:03.05 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: yep, just like i did. |
| 14:03.11 | Ra1 | yes, I do so |
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| 14:03.32 | Ra1 | and it can't startup, if nobody meet this problem, I think it should caused by my locale |
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| 14:04.03 | pumpkin0 | Ra1: make a screenshot that shows the error. (or quote it here, char-by-char) |
| 14:04.04 | asg | Ra1: did you type firefox in an xterm or not? |
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| 14:04.20 | CharminTheMoose | so is it possible for me to select which cell it connects to or something?? |
| 14:04.27 | CharminTheMoose | sorry for being such a tool |
| 14:04.43 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: Yes. iwconfig eth1 essid <essid-you-want> |
| 14:05.16 | Kim^J | Hi there. Sarge is 3.1 "Stable", Etch is 4.0 "Testing" but what is Sid "Unstable" ? |
| 14:05.23 | dvs | !sid |
| 14:05.23 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 14:05.24 | asg | Kim^J: yes |
| 14:05.32 | CharminTheMoose | and then dhclient eth1? |
| 14:05.32 | Ra1 | OK, I press in xterm |
| 14:05.32 | Ra1 | firefox |
| 14:05.47 | Ra1 | in several seconds, it don't show anything |
| 14:05.49 | blondie | Kim^J: 999999999999999999999999999.99999999999999 |
| 14:05.58 | Kim^J | Ah ok. So no version number on Sid then. |
| 14:06.06 | dvs | Kim^J: never. |
| 14:06.07 | asg | Kim^J: nope, and it will never have one |
| 14:06.11 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: first check if the WLAN-NIC is now connected to the AP. rerun "iwconfig". Does it show a MAC-adresse ? |
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| 14:06.25 | asg | Ra1: open another xterm and type 'ps aux | grep firefox' |
| 14:06.30 | asg | Ra1: does that show anything? |
| 14:06.46 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:Am i looking for AP or Mac? |
| 14:07.04 | blondie | !mac |
| 14:07.04 | dpkg | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers. MAC, Media Access Control |
| 14:07.22 | blondie | m68k... rofl |
| 14:07.32 | Kim^J | !MAC |
| 14:07.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mac is see also nameififrename |
| 14:07.37 | Ra1 | asg: no process except 'grep firefox' |
| 14:08.00 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: MAC = http://compnetworking.about.com/od/networkprotocolsip/l/aa062202a.htm . The AP has one, the WLAN-NIC has one too. iwconfig should show the AP-MAC. |
| 14:08.09 | Kim^J | Ra1: ps ux and look for firefox. |
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| 14:08.25 | Fox_1_ | any other idea? |
| 14:08.30 | Ra1 | yes, ps aux|grep firefox |
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| 14:09.31 | Ra1 | I always keep my debian sid in latest verion. I don't know if now firefox become unstable |
| 14:10.07 | blondie | hasn't firefox been replaced with iceweasel by now? |
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| 14:10.09 | pumpkin0 | Ra1: mybe it became iceweael at the last update ? |
| 14:10.36 | asg | blondie: yes but it's still a symlink firefox -> iceweasel |
| 14:11.19 | asg | Ra1: well, check the bts. If nothing is reported, try moving the .firefox directory to .firefox.old and try restarting firefox. |
| 14:11.22 | CharminTheMoose | eh,nope,still no luck |
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| 14:11.38 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: did you encrypt your WLAN ? |
| 14:11.53 | CharminTheMoose | yup with wep |
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| 14:12.18 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: did you setup the WEP-key for your WLAN-NIC too ? |
| 14:12.33 | CharminTheMoose | yup |
| 14:12.45 | blondie | wireless is a pain in the arse |
| 14:12.46 | CharminTheMoose | i don't know weather to put it as hex or ascii |
| 14:12.52 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone tell me a good tool do conf iptables using a web interface? |
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| 14:12.59 | asg | CharminTheMoose: it would be easier for you if you would disable wep for now until you can verify connectivity |
| 14:13.02 | Ra1 | asg, OK, I will recheck, now I will install other iceweeasel package, I think it maybe becaused I miss some package |
| 14:13.11 | asg | could be |
| 14:13.13 | blondie | !wpa |
| 14:13.16 | blondie | dpkg fail |
| 14:13.20 | blondie | !wpasupplicant |
| 14:13.25 | blondie | dpkg: FLAIL |
| 14:13.34 | CharminTheMoose | asg:yes connectivity works without wep |
| 14:13.34 | dvs | @wpasupplicant |
| 14:13.45 | dvs | no bot awake? |
| 14:13.51 | asg | CharminTheMoose: then the problem would seem to be that you have not configured wep correctly. |
| 14:13.54 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: guess what you should change.... |
| 14:13.55 | asg | !test |
| 14:13.56 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | !wep -key |
| 14:14.11 | dpkg | i heard wep -key is used in all networks which has WEP-WPA? |
| 14:14.17 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:14.21 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0 change what? |
| 14:14.30 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 14:14.31 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a mepis user |
| 14:14.35 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: the WEP-key (from hex to ascii ?) |
| 14:14.36 | dvs | yay! |
| 14:14.47 | CharminTheMoose | ok i'll try that |
| 14:14.52 | asg | since wep is trivially crackable, why even bother? |
| 14:14.52 | CharminTheMoose | thanks pumpkin0 |
| 14:14.54 | pumpkin0 | time to create useless factoids... |
| 14:15.09 | blondie | asg: cos WPA is "hard" |
| 14:15.30 | CharminTheMoose | how do i enter my wep key via the CLI? |
| 14:15.32 | asg | !be crypto barbie |
| 14:15.32 | dpkg | crypto is hard! |
| 14:15.37 | geo-rge | barboe? |
| 14:15.40 | asg | well, that's fucking useless |
| 14:15.49 | dvs | !be a WPA barbie |
| 14:15.49 | dpkg | Aww, WPA is HARD! Let's go shopping, dvs |
| 14:15.50 | asg | CharminTheMoose: man 7 wireless |
| 14:15.54 | geo-rge | !start a barbie war |
| 14:15.55 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 14:15.56 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: iwconfig eth1 key YOUR_KEY_HERE |
| 14:16.21 | CharminTheMoose | kk |
| 14:16.22 | CharminTheMoose | brb |
| 14:16.57 | petemc | !be cock barbie |
| 14:16.57 | dpkg | cock is hard! |
| 14:17.13 | asg | !petemc++ |
| 14:17.17 | petemc | :) |
| 14:17.43 | blondie | mmm hard cock. |
| 14:18.05 | asg | blondie: we know you aren't into meat |
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| 14:19.37 | christiane | Hello, I want install a program from a different repository and added the line "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to sources.list. aptitude first couldn't find anyzhing there, so I changed it to "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian/ unstable main" and now it throws errors: "E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian_dists_unstable_main_i18n_Translation-de". Does anyone know how to fix |
| 14:19.37 | christiane | that? |
| 14:20.04 | dvs | !marillat |
| 14:20.04 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 14:20.04 | abrotman | !debian-multimedia |
| 14:20.05 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 14:20.15 | geo-rge | christiane: man 5 sources.list |
| 14:20.38 | christiane | geo-rge: Thanks. |
| 14:20.44 | dvs | ... |
| 14:21.33 | CharminTheMoose | ok |
| 14:21.42 | CharminTheMoose | my wep key is set |
| 14:21.53 | dvs | ...and? |
| 14:22.04 | CharminTheMoose | but essid and ap are still 'off/any' and 'not associated' respectively |
| 14:22.21 | CharminTheMoose | despite me trying sudo iwconfig eth1 essid ohtehnoes |
| 14:22.43 | CharminTheMoose | and sudo iwconfig eth1 ap <myaccesspoint> |
| 14:22.44 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: disable WEP in the AP. WEP does not protect you anyway. |
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| 14:23.46 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:then what's the point of me trying to get my wireless to connect to my wep-enabled router? |
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| 14:24.31 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: "use wpa instead" |
| 14:24.49 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: in most cases it is faster to crack the WEP then to set it up correctly. And i want to know if the WLAN works w/o encryption. |
| 14:24.51 | blondie | wep does protect... just not very much |
| 14:24.55 | asg | CharminTheMoose: wep is useless, use ipsec or some other vpn setup instead. |
| 14:24.58 | CharminTheMoose | is wpa supported by iwconfig 1.8? |
| 14:25.17 | asg | pumpkin0: he said it worked without wep earlier |
| 14:25.29 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: bad idea: post the output of iwconfig somewhere |
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| 14:25.38 | HighFive | why does this error message show: passwd: Authentication token manipulation error ?? |
| 14:25.47 | pumpkin0 | asg: ois. So it is just about the WEP ? |
| 14:25.53 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0: you want me to? |
| 14:25.54 | asg | pumpkin0: seems to be |
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| 14:26.21 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 14:26.21 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 14:26.25 | christiane | geo-rge: Mmh, can't find my error here. First thought it was the "/" at the end but removing it didn't change aptitude's behavior. Can you give another hint? :) |
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| 14:26.50 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: run "iwconfig" (no parameters). Go to a pastebin and paste the output there. Tell us the link to your post. |
| 14:27.11 | CharminTheMoose | ok pumpkin0 gimme about 5 mins. |
| 14:27.18 | pumpkin0 | christiane: upload your soures.lst into a pastebin. |
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| 14:28.02 | pumpkin0 | asg: are we sure the AP and the WLAN-NIC are in the same country ? |
| 14:28.08 | christiane | pumpkin0: This is the line causing trouble: "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian unstable main" |
| 14:28.29 | geo-rge | why are you running unstable? |
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| 14:28.40 | christiane | pumpkin0: When I comment it no errors appear |
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| 14:28.46 | pumpkin0 | christiane: yes, but i want to see the wohle thing. There may be other stuff triggering the error. |
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| 14:29.25 | pumpkin0 | christiane: and (like 2 people told you already): the archive has moved to another server. |
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| 14:32.07 | CharminTheMoose | brb |
| 14:32.19 | dvs | You're fired! |
| 14:32.50 | asg | pumpkin0: when Charmin is involved, it's anyone's guess |
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| 14:37.10 | asg | !tell clearscreen about ask |
| 14:37.14 | clearscreen | Im running a 2.6.18-3 kernel, and I wanted to install fglrx drivers.. so downloaded fglrx packages and my 2.6.18-3 kernel headers; but each time I try to install them through module-assistant it gives me errors about Make in the kernel headers (cant compile) |
| 14:37.20 | clearscreen | yeah yeah I was writing my question :P |
| 14:37.35 | asg | clearscreen: did you run m-a prepare? |
| 14:37.40 | clearscreen | yes |
| 14:37.44 | pif | clearscreen : latest xorg packs give you ati 3D support |
| 14:38.04 | clearscreen | but fglrxinfo tells me Im still using mesa |
| 14:38.07 | pif | yes |
| 14:38.38 | clearscreen | I've read that that means no good :P |
| 14:38.48 | pif | I don't have any ati drivers here and rune opengl games |
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| 14:38.51 | pumpkin0 | pif: ATI 3D suppotr for OLDER ati cards. The new ones still need the fglrx-driver. |
| 14:39.05 | pif | maybe |
| 14:39.12 | clearscreen | I have a x700 mobile |
| 14:39.38 | pif | I have a mobility M30 |
| 14:39.46 | pumpkin0 | clearscreen: that is a M26. 2D-only. |
| 14:40.00 | clearscreen | so anyway back to my problem; what's up with it giving me make errors on the kernel headers when I try to install it through m-a? |
| 14:41.01 | MatBoy | Is SSH not installed by default on a Sarge Netinstall anymore ? |
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| 14:42.00 | blondie | MatBoy: well sarge hasn't changed recently |
| 14:42.20 | CharminTheMoose | back |
| 14:42.24 | MatBoy | blondie, I had to install it manually, never had to do that before I thought |
| 14:42.31 | MatBoy | forward |
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| 14:43.18 | blondie | MatBoy: I think it's not there by default in etch at least, dunno about sarge |
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| 14:43.38 | MatBoy | blondie, ok :) |
| 14:43.45 | clearscreen | btw pumpkin0, I don't care that it's 2D only; I want fglrx because mesa is still software rendering, right? |
| 14:43.59 | blondie | I guess it could depend on what installation options you choose |
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| 14:44.25 | CharminTheMoose | my edited iwconfig http://pastebin.ca/282353 |
| 14:44.38 | CharminTheMoose | I think that that's all the important info |
| 14:44.59 | pumpkin0 | clearscreen: You only need fglrx if you want 3D. Everything else can be done with the opensource radeon driver. But the 2D-only driver has to use software-mesa for rendering 3D-stuff like openGL. |
| 14:46.01 | CharminTheMoose | !test |
| 14:46.02 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:46.04 | pumpkin0 | clearscreen: or put the other way round: fglrx = 3D in hardware, opensoucre radeon = 3D in software |
| 14:46.22 | clearscreen | ah ok thanks |
| 14:46.24 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: did you triple-check the WEP-key ? |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | quadrulple! |
| 14:46.43 | dvs | quintuple! |
| 14:46.45 | CharminTheMoose | fifthruple |
| 14:46.51 | CharminTheMoose | dvs got there before me |
| 14:46.57 | CharminTheMoose | but,yes i'm sure |
| 14:48.42 | CharminTheMoose | 0H T3|-| |/|0E8!1 goddamn it i'm a complete fucking tool.it's the wrong damn key! |
| 14:48.55 | dvs | !lart CharminTheMoose |
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| 14:49.25 | CharminTheMoose | !lart me |
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| 14:50.59 | cast | hmm, so how do you activate the graphical installer? |
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| 14:51.09 | blondie | cast: it asks you. |
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| 14:51.17 | blondie | "type blah for the graphical installer" |
| 14:51.28 | cast | oh, i always just hit enter :\ |
| 14:51.43 | JB[away] | Hi, i am trying to upgrade sarge to etch, but apt don´t install ssh :( |
| 14:51.47 | blondie | the graphical installer is the same as the text oen really |
| 14:51.49 | blondie | *one |
| 14:52.00 | dvs | blondie: but GUI is prettier! |
| 14:52.03 | cast | JB[away]: its called...openssh-client now |
| 14:52.08 | blondie | JB[away]: orly? |
| 14:52.16 | JB[away] | cast: what must i do? |
| 14:52.30 | cast | i'd try installing openssh-client, personally |
| 14:52.39 | blondie | why did that get renamed... |
| 14:53.05 | cast | blondie: because there's more than one ssh implementation might be a reason, dunno though |
| 14:53.16 | JB[away] | The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: |
| 14:53.17 | JB[away] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.17 | JB[away] | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 14:53.17 | JB[away] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:53.56 | pumpkin0 | JB[away]: your point is ? |
| 14:54.07 | JB[away] | apt get a error |
| 14:54.14 | JB[away] | wait |
| 14:54.15 | blondie | !paste |
| 14:54.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 14:54.24 | cast | !sex |
| 14:54.24 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 14:54.34 | azeem | cast: please /msg the bot |
| 14:54.37 | cast | heh, i knew it had to be something |
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| 14:54.48 | JB[away] | http://de.pastebin.ca/282369 |
| 14:55.01 | asg | blondie: the doc/openssh-client/README.Debian.gz covers it |
| 14:55.26 | azeem | JB[away]: which command did you run that produced this outputß |
| 14:55.29 | azeem | ß? |
| 14:55.43 | JB[away] | aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 14:55.50 | azeem | hrm. |
| 14:55.59 | azeem | JB[away]: from where to where did you upgrade? |
| 14:56.01 | JB[away] | upgrade sarge -> etch |
| 14:56.27 | JB[away] | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 14:56.49 | blondie | asg: erm... |
| 14:57.10 | azeem | JB[away]: it seems to be a known bug, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403174 |
| 14:57.15 | blondie | asg: "It has been decided that this version should have the privilege of carrying the ``ssh'' name in Debian, since it is the only version of ssh that is going to make it into Debian proper" |
| 14:57.24 | blondie | asg: so I don't see why it's renamed. |
| 14:57.57 | JB[away] | workaround |
| 14:57.57 | azeem | to allow for client installation independently of the server |
| 14:57.57 | JB[away] | aptitude remove ssh openssh-server+ openssh-client+ |
| 14:58.18 | JB[away] | if i remove that, close the ssh session? |
| 14:58.20 | asg | azeem: that's why it was split, not why it was renamed from ssh to openssh- |
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| 14:58.29 | azeem | asg: because that's the name |
| 14:58.31 | azeem | I guess. |
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| 14:58.42 | asg | azeem: makes sense to me |
| 14:58.50 | azeem | as long as there is still the ssh meta-package, I don't see the problem |
| 14:59.45 | blondie | my "ssh" package is up-to-date, but the openssh-client and openssh-server ones are not, what's the difference? |
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| 15:00.38 | azeem | blondie: you're asking what the difference between an empty meta-package and two real binary package is? |
| 15:00.43 | CharminTheMoose | ok,still i'm having the same problem despite the fact that i put in the correct wep key |
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| 15:00.54 | fas3r | i use outlook express and if i export my mail in thunderbird on windows and after i copy it ( thunderbird windows mail ) on my linux thunderbird , it work ? |
| 15:01.10 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: i said: triple-check. Now go back a check again. |
| 15:01.12 | Wyzard | blondie: Presumably OpenSSH got upgraded, so you need to upgrade your openssh-* packages... but the "ssh" package doesn't contain OpenSSH so there's no need for it to change when OpenSSH releases a new version |
| 15:01.16 | azeem | the source package has always been caleld "openssh" btw |
| 15:01.24 | blondie | azeem: so why did apt need to download the openssh-* packages if the latest ssh package was installed? |
| 15:01.55 | azeem | blondie: because it depends on it |
| 15:01.59 | azeem | s/it/them/ |
| 15:02.05 | blondie | what does? |
| 15:02.08 | azeem | ssh |
| 15:02.09 | Wyzard | blondie: because "ssh" doesn't contain any software; it just serves to make sure openssh is installed |
| 15:02.11 | blondie | nope |
| 15:02.12 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/ssh |
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| 15:02.23 | azeem | blondie: are you talking about stable, or what? |
| 15:02.26 | blondie | etch |
| 15:02.33 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/ssh |
| 15:02.37 | geo-rge | what |
| 15:02.38 | JB[away] | oh, it seems that me system ist broken, why i could not install ssh |
| 15:02.39 | JB[away] | :( |
| 15:03.07 | blondie | azeem: I don't see why updating "ssh" doesn't update "openssh-*" |
| 15:03.17 | azeem | blondie: why should it? |
| 15:03.27 | azeem | you already have them installed, so the Depends is satisfied |
| 15:03.34 | azeem | there is no strict versioned depends |
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| 15:03.46 | azeem | so apt-get install ssh won't update openssh-* |
| 15:03.57 | blondie | ssh can't be very up-to-date then |
| 15:04.02 | azeem | uh? |
| 15:04.06 | azeem | it's an empty meta package |
| 15:04.17 | jelly-home | blondie: why not just do an upgrade? |
| 15:04.19 | azeem | it cannot be much by definition |
| 15:04.21 | blondie | it should depend on newer versions |
| 15:04.22 | JB[away] | azeem: any idea what i can do? |
| 15:04.34 | azeem | JB[away]: wait till the bug is fixed |
| 15:04.48 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:i've checked and re checked and i am 100% positive that that 0 is not an O |
| 15:04.58 | JB[away] | i could´t :) i have a session open if it close i could not do anything :( |
| 15:05.05 | azeem | blondie: the openssh maintainer is highly clueful, as indicated by the fact that he works on Ubuntu for Canonical |
| 15:05.26 | JB[away] | can i downgrade to sarge again? |
| 15:05.32 | jelly-home | azeem: is that irony I detect? |
| 15:05.42 | azeem | jelly-home: no, why? |
| 15:05.54 | Wyzard | blondie: It doesn't need to depend on newer versions... ssh pulls in openssh, and apt takes care of upgrading openssh as necessary |
| 15:06.00 | azeem | why should Canonical hire non-clueful people? |
| 15:06.11 | blondie | it's ubuntu! |
| 15:06.11 | Wyzard | blondie: There's no need to update the empty ssh package to tell apt that it should upgrade openssh; apt already knows that |
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| 15:06.43 | jelly-home | azeem: I don't know anything about their employment policies. |
| 15:06.58 | azeem | jelly-home: well, they employ the clueful and non-moron Debian people. |
| 15:07.11 | azeem | or some of them |
| 15:07.14 | azeem | anyway, this is off-topic |
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| 15:09.17 | utab | hi there I can not connect debian to kubuntu |
| 15:09.48 | utab | on debian I may connect to our local server |
| 15:10.00 | utab | but I can not connect to my kubuntu box |
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| 15:10.12 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.13 | pif | connect? |
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| 15:10.28 | Grubby | hi tralala |
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| 15:10.39 | utab | pif, ssh I mean sory |
| 15:10.40 | Grubby | how do i find out if i running sarge or etch? |
| 15:10.41 | tralala | hi Grubby |
| 15:10.48 | pif | utab, you need debian Extreme edition to connect |
| 15:10.50 | tralala | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:11.04 | azeem | pif: stop giving misleading advice |
| 15:11.06 | Grubby | tralala: it says 4..0 |
| 15:11.10 | Grubby | err 4.0 |
| 15:11.14 | blondie | etch then |
| 15:11.14 | azeem | Grubby: that's etch |
| 15:11.20 | Grubby | ok |
| 15:11.22 | Grubby | thanks |
| 15:11.22 | utab | pif, before I could connect without problems but today sth strange happened and I may not connect |
| 15:11.34 | Grubby | tralala: you remember the python-syck problem? |
| 15:11.38 | pif | azeem: sorry I meant Ultimate Extreme |
| 15:11.40 | Grubby | i think i was trying it on etch only |
| 15:11.57 | azeem | pif: uhm, I was serious about it. |
| 15:12.03 | azeem | utab: can you connect in the other direction? |
| 15:12.04 | displaced | utab: what is the error you get? |
| 15:12.10 | Grubby | tralala: and it doesnt work , with that error i gave that day. But as you said, it should work, it wouldnt work only in sarge |
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| 15:12.25 | tralala | Grubby: is it working with etch? Which version does etch have? |
| 15:12.29 | utab | azeem: yes from kubuntu I can ssh debian |
| 15:12.39 | Grubby | tralala: actually, xen |
| 15:12.41 | azeem | utab: looks like a kubuntu problem then |
| 15:12.52 | displaced | ok, then have you checked the syslog on your kabuntu machine |
| 15:13.03 | azeem | utab: do you have other machines (your server e.g.) from where you could try to connect to the kubuntu box? |
| 15:13.09 | HyperDevil | what is the bash conditional for: 10 "is more then" 9 |
| 15:13.11 | HyperDevil | ? |
| 15:13.16 | Grubby | tralala: how would i check it though? |
| 15:13.31 | pif | HyperDevil [ 10 -gt 9 ] |
| 15:13.42 | utab | azeem, yes I may connect to a linux server from both kubuntu and debian |
| 15:13.46 | displaced | the command is less /var/log/syslog or tail /var/log/syslog |
| 15:13.54 | azeem | utab: no, the other way round |
| 15:14.14 | utab | azeem, from debian to kubuntu or the other |
| 15:14.21 | azeem | utab: forget it |
| 15:14.22 | tralala | Grubby: I found out already. So you're running etch and pysyck still doesn't have dump? |
| 15:14.30 | azeem | utab: you have a kubuntu problem, ask #kubuntu |
| 15:14.32 | Grubby | tralala: I think |
| 15:14.33 | displaced | you are saying that you can connect from the kubuntu machine can you connect TO it from anywhere? |
| 15:14.48 | tralala | Grubby: dpkg -l python-syck |
| 15:14.50 | utab | azeem, but from debian I can not connect |
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| 15:15.02 | azeem | utab: yes, because you have a kubuntu problem |
| 15:15.11 | azeem | utab: can you ping the kubuntu box? |
| 15:15.12 | minerale | what does this mean: zsh: segmentation fault apt-get install svn ;; apt-cache is giving me seg faults too |
| 15:15.24 | utab | azeem, yes with the ip |
| 15:15.29 | pif | most probably sshd is not running |
| 15:15.29 | Grubby | tralala: ii python-syck 0.55-3.3+b1 YAML parser kit -- python bindings (default package) |
| 15:15.46 | utab | pif, that is it, I found the problem |
| 15:15.50 | utab | pif, of course |
| 15:16.01 | tralala | Grubby: and if you do help (syck) from a python session is there anything about dump? |
| 15:16.46 | azeem | utab: now, it was a kubuntu problem after all, right? |
| 15:16.53 | SmallR2002 | has anyone got an igneous idea how i can get all the words i use a lot into a file? (separated by line-breaks) |
| 15:17.15 | blondie | huh? |
| 15:17.18 | Grubby | tralala: I am getting syck not defined |
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| 15:18.45 | tralala | Grubby: import it |
| 15:20.12 | HyperDevil | how can i grep the masterprocess of mysql? |
| 15:20.20 | asg | SmallR2002: use where? |
| 15:20.35 | asg | HyperDevil: see if /var/run/*/mysql*.pid exists |
| 15:20.43 | SmallR2002 | mmmn, that's an idea |
| 15:20.56 | HyperDevil | asg: i know.. but i want to get it out of ps aux |
| 15:21.14 | asg | HyperDevil: ps aux | grep $(cat /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid) |
| 15:21.35 | Grubby | tralala: nope, no dump. only node and load |
| 15:22.07 | Grubby | tralala: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/syck.so |
| 15:22.09 | HyperDevil | asg i am making an if else statement: i pid file = ps aux mysql.. echo balbal |
| 15:22.19 | Grubby | tralala: load () and Node() |
| 15:22.45 | SmallR2002 | i blame my misspelling of ingenious on some feisty pictures i was sent, and the fact i'm not awake yet |
| 15:22.48 | tralala | Grubby: apparently even the etch version is too old. Let me check the pysyck homepage. |
| 15:23.38 | blondie | ooh, 2.6.18 is in etch. |
| 15:24.15 | HyperDevil | asg: i am making an if else statement: i pid file = ps aux mysql.. echo balbal |
| 15:24.24 | Grubby | tralala: ah, ok |
| 15:25.06 | tralala | Grubby: is there anything in the changelog about dump? |
| 15:25.22 | asg | HyperDevil: what are you hoping to accomplish? |
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| 15:25.45 | HyperDevil | asg: if the pid file is the same as the running process, the process is running |
| 15:26.13 | Grubby | tralala: I dont see it, http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/syck/syck_0.55-3.3/changelog |
| 15:26.21 | HyperDevil | asg: so i need to get the running master pid out of ps aux |
| 15:26.30 | tralala | Grubby: try /usr/share/doc/python-syck |
| 15:26.39 | asg | HyperDevil: well, I'd store the pid from /var/run in a variable. Then test to see if it exists in the output of 'pidof mysqld' |
| 15:27.24 | HyperDevil | how does pidof know what the master process id is? |
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| 15:27.49 | tralala | Grubby: can you try to import ydump? |
| 15:27.49 | asg | HyperDevil: it doesn't, that's why you have to test the if the PID in /var/run/* is in the list of ids returned by 'pidof mysqld' |
| 15:28.18 | Grubby | tralala: in that changelog too, samw thing as the website |
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| 15:28.42 | HyperDevil | because mysql has several pid's.. so mysql could be running, while the script says its not because pidof sees the oldest one? |
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| 15:29.30 | Grubby | tralala: i did, and in help (ydump) , it has dump(self, *data) , etc |
| 15:29.31 | tralala | Grubby: apparently the dump is supported even under sarge, but somebody has decided to put it into a different module - ydump! |
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| 15:30.11 | asg | HyperDevil: no, pidof returns all pids that match 'mysqld'. You then use a loop to see if the pid in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid is in the list |
| 15:30.22 | HyperDevil | ok |
| 15:30.49 | Grubby | tralala: so, i just replace all "syck.dump" with "syck.ydump" ? |
| 15:31.26 | asg | HyperDevil: grep -q $(cat /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid) <<< $(pidof mysqld) && echo foo # the very hideous non-portable bash version |
| 15:31.31 | tralala | Grubby: no, you will replace syck.dump with ydump.dump breaking the portability of the code... |
| 15:32.17 | tralala | I'd be really pleased to learn why was it needed to take dump out of syck. |
| 15:32.40 | Grubby | yeah, me too |
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| 15:32.59 | asteroid | hi |
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| 15:34.09 | HyperDevil | asg: LOL |
| 15:34.13 | HyperDevil | thanks ASG! |
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| 15:34.32 | [DHX] | hello |
| 15:34.34 | asg | HyperDevil: I'd definitely do it differently for a production script but it gives you the idea of what you need to do. |
| 15:34.48 | [DHX] | does anybody has upgraded from mysql4 to mysql5 recently ? |
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| 15:36.15 | tempest2k4 | when setting up xen base images in debian etch there is no base-config or localconf packages like in sarge , anybody no what you do instead ? |
| 15:36.32 | JB[away] | in wich channel are the debian dev´s ? |
| 15:36.44 | tralala | Grubby: if you want to keep it platform independand you'd have to do something like http://rafb.net/paste/results/MHooSb97.html |
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| 15:40.14 | asg | tempest2k4: /msg dpkg base-config |
| 15:40.21 | Grubby | tralala: ok , ill see, ill be back in a few mions though |
| 15:40.23 | Grubby | *mins |
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| 15:41.19 | tralala | Grubby: take your time |
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| 15:44.20 | Rprp | Where can i find my cron log? |
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| 15:46.14 | tralala | Rprp: try /var/log |
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| 15:48.55 | Rprp | its not in it |
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| 15:50.05 | asg | Rprp: cron's log will be in /var/log/syslog unless you uncomment the #cron ... bit in /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 15:52.07 | artichoke | what are "channels" in synaptic (etch)? it used to ask for servers, now it asks for channels. |
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| 15:54.40 | Rprp | oke |
| 15:56.05 | pokepoke | I need help trouble shooting my mouse pointer in Etch with Gnome. For some reason the pointer icon will get stuck on, like on the waiting circle icon, but not go back when it should. That circle, or the the window expanding icon, will become the pointer. Has anyone seen this before? |
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| 15:57.13 | fas3r | hi all |
| 15:57.23 | Piper69 | good morning all |
| 15:58.01 | fas3r | what's the command for see all otpion i have export with command .. export :s |
| 15:58.31 | perlmonk | What would be an advantage and a disadvantage having the swap in a file instead of a partition ? |
| 15:58.42 | asg | fas3r: help export |
| 15:59.27 | fas3r | asg : thank ;) |
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| 15:59.34 | fas3r | export -p .. :) |
| 15:59.36 | Rprp | Hmm, how can i see the output of the cron in a log? |
| 15:59.38 | Rprp | in wich log* |
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| 15:59.58 | Piper69 | i need someone to help me with my wireless network |
| 16:00.00 | asg | Rprp: the output of a job run by cron will be mailed to root |
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| 16:00.12 | HyperDevil | is there a way to get the crons out of the auth.log? |
| 16:00.37 | blondie | what do you mean by "get them out"? |
| 16:00.37 | fas3r | Rprp, maybe look if it's possible to active it in cron conf file ;) |
| 16:00.47 | asg | HyperDevil: grep -v |
| 16:01.16 | HyperDevil | i dont want cron reporting which user it is using to start the cron: that is repoted in auth.log.. i want everything to do in the cron.log |
| 16:01.42 | asg | HyperDevil: that's a function of PAM reporting |
| 16:01.55 | HyperDevil | where can i edit it? |
| 16:02.04 | Rprp | How can i read 'root''s mail? :P\ |
| 16:02.43 | blondie | Rprp: it's best to have it delivered to another user and read it that way. |
| 16:02.44 | asg | Rprp: better to have root's mail aliases to your user. Also, you can put a MAILTO=me environment variable in your crontab to have the output mailed to 'me' |
| 16:03.42 | asg | HyperDevil: /etc/pam.d/*. However, you'll have to find out if pam_unix can be silenced. If not, you'll have to hack the pam module (not recommended) or use a different syslog that allows you to selectivly filter (i.e. syslog-ng) |
| 16:06.26 | MatBoy | I still get make: g++: Command not found when I have installed the g++3.x or 2.x version of this compiler. What do I miss ? |
| 16:06.26 | asg | MatBoy: install build-essential |
| 16:06.48 | MatBoy | asg, that is a package build-essential ? |
| 16:07.06 | asg | MatBoy: well, a meta-package but it will force the installation of the required bits and pieces. |
| 16:07.11 | CharminTheMoose | if i want to do a simple sid backport do i change sarge to sid in my sources.list? |
| 16:07.22 | asg | CharminTheMoose: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:07.34 | MatBoy | asg, ok, just install the g++-3x version or the 2.x ? |
| 16:07.57 | asg | MatBoy: no, just install build-essential and it will pull in a recommended g++ version |
| 16:08.11 | MatBoy | asg, ok, thanks ! I will write it down :) |
| 16:08.23 | Piper69 | i have i (D-Link Air "DWL-650") wifi card i need to know what chipset it is and which driver to use and if it support rfmon please, thanks in advanced |
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| 16:09.15 | asg | Piper69: see if dmesg outputs the chipset when you insert the card |
| 16:09.27 | MatBoy | asg, work better this way ;) |
| 16:09.30 | HyperDevil | is it possible to send html mail via mail command? |
| 16:09.37 | geo-rge | MatBoy: just do it... apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:09.45 | asg | HyperDevil: yes |
| 16:09.49 | MatBoy | geo-rge, I'm already compiling :) |
| 16:09.59 | asg | HyperDevil: mail -s foo me@foo < /path/to/htmllyemail |
| 16:10.11 | Piper69 | asg: the card is inserted in my laptop right now and its working fine, should i just type dmesg |
| 16:10.45 | geo-rge | if it's working fine, why do you need the driver? :) |
| 16:10.49 | asg | Piper69: yes |
| 16:10.52 | geo-rge | just curious... |
| 16:11.35 | Piper69 | asg: can i paste the out put in #flood |
| 16:11.39 | CharminTheMoose | should i dare to do a simple sid backport of the gcc? |
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| 16:11.44 | asg | Piper69: use a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 16:12.00 | asg | CharminTheMoose: the term 'simple' and 'gcc' do not belong in the same sentance |
| 16:12.08 | asg | *ence |
| 16:12.13 | CharminTheMoose | oh |
| 16:12.14 | geo-rge | or in the same universe really :) |
| 16:12.16 | CharminTheMoose | really? |
| 16:12.19 | CharminTheMoose | why not? |
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| 16:12.41 | geo-rge | gcc is not simple, and the packaging is not simple |
| 16:12.58 | geo-rge | what are you looking to do exactly? |
| 16:13.08 | asg | CharminTheMoose: because gcc is not simple; it's very complex and will probably not be compatible with the libc6 on sarge. |
| 16:13.20 | CharminTheMoose | get a version of gcc that isn't 3.3.5 |
| 16:13.37 | geo-rge | for what, sarge |
| 16:13.38 | geo-rge | ? |
| 16:13.42 | CharminTheMoose | yup |
| 16:13.50 | geo-rge | why? |
| 16:13.53 | DimmuR | how can i simply convert vob to divx? i tried avidemux but got green lines all over the movie |
| 16:13.57 | geo-rge | what are you looking to do exactly? |
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| 16:14.04 | HyperDevil | asg: so i just build a regual html file and mail it? |
| 16:14.04 | asg | CharminTheMoose: apt-cache search gcc | grep ^gcc |
| 16:14.34 | asg | HyperDevil: well, generally, the content is mime encoded as html and inserted after the standard mail headers in the body. |
| 16:14.36 | CharminTheMoose | 'cos gcc 3.3.5 sometimes gets killed with a very annoying line involving i686_pc_thunk.bx or something |
| 16:14.41 | pumpkin0 | DimmuR: mplayer/mencoder is possible, but not easy. |
| 16:15.05 | DimmuR | i have no even mencoder |
| 16:15.22 | Piper69 | asg: i know how to direct the output to a text file , but then how i can put that text file in the pastebin |
| 16:15.22 | pumpkin0 | DimmuR: get it from the multimedia-archive |
| 16:15.29 | asg | CharminTheMoose: sarge has gcc 2.95, gcc 3.3 and gcc 3.4. Install one of the non 3.3 versions and try again. |
| 16:15.32 | geo-rge | soo... what are you looking to do exactly? |
| 16:15.37 | asg | Piper69: are you running X? |
| 16:15.51 | pumpkin0 | !tell DimmuR about debian-multimedia |
| 16:16.08 | DimmuR | pumpkin0, thanks |
| 16:16.13 | asg | Piper69: if so, cat file | xclip; click left+right mouse buttons in the textarea. |
| 16:16.15 | HyperDevil | asg: can i make non html mail, with colors? |
| 16:16.42 | geo-rge | what is it that you expect to render the colors |
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| 16:16.58 | asg | HyperDevil: it's really more along the lines of what the client supports. If you are mailing to a client that renders ansi escape sequences in mail, then yes. |
| 16:17.41 | geo-rge | or send images |
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| 16:18.09 | asg | HyperDevil: you might experiment with mutt, it's -a option, and an html message to see if that works right. |
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| 16:18.24 | Piper69 | asg: bash: xclip: command not found |
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| 16:18.34 | asg | Piper69: apt-get install xclip |
| 16:18.47 | CharminTheMoose | http://pastebin.ca/282444 is the error gcc spews |
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| 16:21.23 | CharminTheMoose | some recommendations for it is to upgrade to 3.4 |
| 16:21.28 | CharminTheMoose | but that didn't work. |
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| 16:22.08 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: what does /usr/bin/gcc point to? |
| 16:22.44 | CharminTheMoose | how can i find out? |
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| 16:23.00 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 16:23.04 | miraterre | does anyone have a suggestion for my make-kpkg referencing an old version during a kernel recompile? |
| 16:23.06 | CharminTheMoose | it points to gcc-.3 |
| 16:23.09 | CharminTheMoose | *3.3 |
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| 16:23.56 | Daveman | MOO |
| 16:24.28 | Piper69 | asg: i installed xclip , now when i go to paste it nothing is there |
| 16:24.41 | CharminTheMoose | anyone got any info to help me? |
| 16:24.49 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: you could adjust it, or I think you can do 'GCC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 make' or whatever |
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| 16:26.25 | CharminTheMoose | amphi:i type that after i've ./configured? |
| 16:26.36 | geo-rge | no before |
| 16:27.10 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: or do 'export GCC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4' and then do your stuff |
| 16:27.12 | geo-rge | then the makefile will use whatever GCC is |
| 16:27.34 | amphi | CharminTheMoose: ./configure also has an option to set GCC I think |
| 16:28.01 | geo-rge | gcc also has an option to pick among the installed gccs |
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| 16:29.01 | amphi | TMTOWTDI ;) |
| 16:29.23 | Piper69 | asg: the Xclip command is not copying anything from my terminal to my x |
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| 16:30.40 | geo-rge | Piper69: got emacs? |
| 16:31.01 | Piper69 | geo-rge: no i don't |
| 16:31.26 | geo-rge | got a text editor that has "select all"? |
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| 16:32.21 | Piper69 | geo-rge: i have abiword |
| 16:32.36 | geo-rge | that might be a text editor |
| 16:32.46 | geo-rge | try opening the file in that |
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| 16:35.05 | Piper69 | asg: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4830. |
| 16:35.24 | Piper69 | geo-rge: yep that did work thanks |
| 16:35.49 | geo-rge | np |
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| 16:36.42 | Piper69 | now offcouse the person was going to help me left the channel |
| 16:36.44 | Piper69 | lol |
| 16:36.50 | Piper69 | oh lord |
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| 16:37.06 | clearscreen | I just did apt-get remove gnome* --purge ... how do I set fluxbox (which Ive installed) to start up when I startx? |
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| 16:37.26 | schme | clearscreen: add it to your xinitrc |
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| 16:37.43 | T2S | any good text to speech software for linux? |
| 16:38.18 | clearscreen | schme what was the hotkey to switch back to 'console mode' again |
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| 16:38.42 | geo-rge | you mean for text "vote for me" it writes "my fellow americans, lend me your vote" |
| 16:39.17 | Piper69 | schme: can you tell me what chipset my card have from dmesg |
| 16:39.29 | geo-rge | might be prism 1 |
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| 16:40.25 | Piper69 | geo-rge: yeah because i am trying to use it with kismet and it doesn't work at all |
| 16:40.37 | amphi | clearscreen: alt-ctrl-f1 ? |
| 16:40.49 | clearscreen | already got it :P |
| 16:41.24 | amphi | T2S: festival is the only one I've played with |
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| 16:43.58 | schme | Piper69: perhaps :) |
| 16:44.10 | christopherl | installing Activetcl with GUI in root directory while not in terminal, how can get permission to install without using sudo? |
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| 16:45.43 | Piper69 | schme: even that it didn't work and those guys in #kismet are realy sleeping |
| 16:46.12 | miraterre | anyone have time to help a noob with a 2.6.17-2 kernel recompile? |
| 16:46.23 | schme | Piper69: Well gimme the dmesg, and I'll have a looksie |
| 16:46.31 | krazykit | miraterre: i suppose. compiling kernels is easy |
| 16:46.40 | miraterre | I ran menuconfig and am on this step: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-mykernelname kernel_image |
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| 16:46.45 | geo-rge | http://fins.actwin.com/fish/marine-pics/daveo/damaged_brain.gif |
| 16:46.55 | Piper69 | schme: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4830 |
| 16:46.55 | miraterre | what do I "actually" type? |
| 16:47.09 | miraterre | I don't know which of those are variables :) |
| 16:47.23 | krazykit | miraterre: make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=miraterre kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 16:47.34 | krazykit | i add kernel headers because then i can use module-assisstant |
| 16:47.51 | krazykit | the only thing you need to change is on "append to version" |
| 16:47.54 | krazykit | to whatever you like |
| 16:48.19 | _overpointe_ | How do I search for a package using apt-get? |
| 16:48.23 | miraterre | The changelog says we are creating 2.6.16-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 16:48.23 | miraterre | However, I thought the version is 2.6.16miraterre |
| 16:48.49 | Piper69 | _overpointe_: apt-cache search <pakage> |
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| 16:49.04 | _overpointe_ | Thanks Piper69. |
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| 16:49.11 | schme | Piper69: well it's orinoco and eth0, that's for sure. But from what I can understand kismet has a whole different set of orinoco drivers. Check http://www.kismetwireless.net/HOWTO-orinoco-drivers.txt |
| 16:49.16 | krazykit | miraterre: i don't use append-to-version, since my version is always ahead of debians. lemme look at the --help real fast |
| 16:49.26 | Sneg | is there any way to mount a remote filesystem over ssh? |
| 16:49.36 | amphi | Sneg: sshfs |
| 16:49.48 | miraterre | I don't even know what that append stuff is - just trying random crap |
| 16:49.55 | Sneg | amphi, thanks, ill try that |
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| 16:50.11 | schme | Piper69: w/o the patches and what not you can't do raw mode sniffing. If you don't need that source=orinoco,eth0,wifi ought to work :S |
| 16:50.22 | krazykit | miraterre: well, it's supposed to be a way for debian to differentiate your kernel from others. |
| 16:50.38 | Grubby | tralala: around? if you find out why they needed to do that, let me knwo too :) |
| 16:50.47 | _overpointe_ | Piper69, does that search my box, or the source lists? |
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| 16:51.36 | Piper69 | _overpointe_: it search the list, if you want to search your box for a file you can type "<locate filename>" |
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| 16:51.51 | _overpointe_ | Thanks Piper69. |
| 16:52.14 | krazykit | miraterre: well, ignore the append-to-version bit and just edit the makefile. the bit you want to edit is right on top. then run the make-kpkg command WITHOUT append-to-version |
| 16:52.15 | Piper69 | schme: i will read on that link you gave me and will come back,thanks |
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| 16:53.13 | miraterre | krazykit In usr/src/linux? version...? |
| 16:53.48 | miraterre | change the sublevel=16 to 17? |
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| 16:54.06 | miraterre | what about extraversion=? |
| 16:54.11 | krazykit | miraterre: uh, there's a variable you can add called EXTRAVERSION |
| 16:54.22 | krazykit | yeah, change that one to, say, -miraterre1 |
| 16:54.30 | krazykit | or whatever you'd like |
| 16:54.32 | Piper69 | schme: just so i can learn for future how did you pin point to the drive in the dmesg and there was alot of pprisim 1 and orinco |
| 16:54.34 | miraterre | with the "-" |
| 16:54.38 | krazykit | yes. |
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| 16:55.07 | miraterre | ok, and what about the sublevel=16? that's my old version - I now have -17 |
| 16:55.14 | rutski | tar often gives me "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors" as the last line of output when I'm doing a tar cvzf. What does that mean? Should I be worried? |
| 16:55.16 | ejot | if im installing software from source, such as php5, what would be the best configure parameters be in order to support and secure a multiuser environment be? go by the default? |
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| 16:55.42 | rutski | There are symlinks in the folder that I'm taring, could that be the cause of that message? |
| 16:55.43 | pumpkin0 | ejot: why do you compile ? |
| 16:56.13 | ejot | pumpkin0, cause php5 is in unstable and.. well.. sometimes i just prefer to compile from source :) |
| 16:56.14 | krazykit | miraterre: you can change that. nothing should break. |
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| 16:56.33 | pumpkin0 | ejot: you know about the simple backport ? |
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| 16:56.57 | ejot | backport? ... coming from FreeBSD, very new to debian :) |
| 16:57.05 | Piper69 | schme: please i need to know what version of orinco |
| 16:57.37 | spldart | I have a samba config issue that's flat frustrating the P out of me :( I put a bunch of relevant info and my problem on a quick text doc on my server so as to not flood this channel... Can anyone help pweeeese? http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/samba_problem.help |
| 16:58.28 | pumpkin0 | ejot: ask dpkg about "simple sid backport" and check http://www.backports.org. compiling and installing outside apt-get is number 1 cause for instable systems. |
| 16:59.11 | Gnea | spldart: do you have swat installed? |
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| 16:59.21 | spldart | swat? |
| 16:59.24 | spldart | Not sure |
| 16:59.25 | Gnea | !swat |
| 16:59.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, swat is Special Weapons And Tactics or A Web based administrative tool for SAMBA or what dbn.net needs; right upside the head with a clue-by-four. a device for killing flies with, or apt-get install swat, enable it in /etc/inetd.conf if necessary, '/etc/init.d/inetd reload', then point your web browser to http://localhost:901/ |
| 16:59.27 | miraterre | ok krazykit, running "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_headers" so far so good, what next? |
| 16:59.57 | krazykit | miraterre: er, kernel_headers kernel_package |
| 17:00.04 | krazykit | miraterre: you need both |
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| 17:00.18 | miraterre | ok, will cancel and rerun |
| 17:00.32 | spldart | I doubt I have it.. samba was running for 11 months before I added the 3rd user yesterday and it quit... Will swat help me troubleshoot? |
| 17:00.40 | miraterre | actually it errored anyway |
| 17:00.45 | Gnea | yeah |
| 17:00.59 | spldart | ic.... lemme apt-get that n'stuff |
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| 17:01.52 | Piper69 | if i know the path/location of a file in the internet and i want to install it from bash which command should i use please |
| 17:02.03 | miraterre | krazykit do you mean kernel_image? |
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| 17:02.09 | pumpkin0 | Piper69: wget ? |
| 17:02.14 | Feax | when I try to boot on a ETCH cd that say: hde: lost interrupt, what is that ? |
| 17:02.40 | geo-rge | Piper69: some files are "installable" I guess... most are just files |
| 17:03.03 | geo-rge | aside from which, we can help you where it comes to debian packages |
| 17:03.34 | krazykit | miraterre: yes, yes i do. |
| 17:03.45 | schme | Piper69: Oh, actually it seems like dwl-650 comes with a bunch of different chipsets . That is troublesome .You might actually want to prevent linux from loading the orinoco driver and try some other ones |
| 17:03.49 | Feax | geo-rge ! I upgraded but when I reboot that say hde: lost interrupt and when I try to launch a etch CD too... I tryed with acpi off and on but it is the same :( |
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| 17:03.55 | miraterre | ran: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers - got this error: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.16-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 17:03.55 | miraterre | However, I thought the version is 2.6.17-miraterre |
| 17:03.55 | miraterre | exit 4 |
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| 17:04.08 | geo-rge | what is your hde? |
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| 17:04.13 | Piper69 | pumpkin0: geo-rge: thank you , i need to install this driver http://ozlabs.org/people/dgibson/dldwd/orinoco-0.13e.tar.gz |
| 17:04.14 | Feax | geo-rge dunno ? |
| 17:04.24 | Feax | I don't know :( |
| 17:04.29 | Piper69 | schme: lol will you help me please |
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| 17:04.59 | schme | Piper69: You know.. all the help I give you is just stuff I pull off of google... |
| 17:05.13 | krazykit | miraterre: aww, hell. i remember this problem. uh, i guess undo your changes to the makefile and use --append-to-version=-miraterre again. |
| 17:05.21 | geo-rge | googleman! |
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| 17:05.32 | miraterre | ok, will do |
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| 17:05.40 | schme | Piper69: But I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=296179 which claims some dwl-650 should be using the hostap driver instead of orinoco - even tho orinoco tends to work |
| 17:05.57 | schme | Piper69: You might want to check into that.. it all comes down to what chipset is on your card |
| 17:06.09 | robin__sz | to set the default editor from nano to vim (eg invoked from less) I should do what exactly? |
| 17:06.44 | sam_uk | does anyone know of a how to for XGL on debian amd64? googling has not helped |
| 17:06.55 | miraterre | it still complains about 2.6.17 not matching expectations of 2.6.16 |
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| 17:07.08 | Piper69 | schme: so schme but will that work, aren't they talking about ubuntu |
| 17:07.09 | krazykit | miraterre: meh, just call it 2.6.16 then |
| 17:07.31 | krazykit | Piper69: no, hardware is hardware and kernels are kernels. |
| 17:07.47 | miraterre | call it 2.6.16 instead of -miraterre? |
| 17:07.52 | Piper69 | krazykit: cool thanks |
| 17:08.00 | krazykit | miraterre: no, in the makefile |
| 17:08.10 | miraterre | it is |
| 17:08.49 | schme | Piper69: Yes.. that will work. Some aspects of ubuntu are quite like debian |
| 17:08.49 | krazykit | miraterre: it's 2.6.16 in the makefile? |
| 17:08.49 | miraterre | I think maybe my only sources are 2.6.16 but I am running 2.6.17 |
| 17:08.52 | miraterre | yes |
| 17:09.03 | krazykit | miraterre: oooooh. that could be a problem. |
| 17:09.08 | miraterre | VERSION = 2 |
| 17:09.08 | miraterre | PATCHLEVEL = 6 |
| 17:09.08 | miraterre | SUBLEVEL = 16 |
| 17:09.18 | krazykit | i think your sources are .16 then. |
| 17:09.28 | Piper69 | what is the sudo apt-get mean |
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| 17:09.35 | miraterre | yeah, I believe .17 was a binary install |
| 17:10.03 | Grubby | Piper69: do man sudo |
| 17:10.48 | Piper69 | Grubby: no i want to do info sudo |
| 17:10.50 | Piper69 | lol |
| 17:10.55 | Piper69 | will do |
| 17:11.07 | Grubby | :P |
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| 17:13.19 | Piper69 | schme: sorry man but it say i have to change the "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-hostap-utils" i don't have that file |
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| 17:15.22 | Piper69 | i think i have to creat that fiel |
| 17:15.26 | Piper69 | *file |
| 17:15.39 | miraterre | krazykit: can you tell me how to d/l the 2.6.17 sources? |
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| 17:21.12 | Piper69 | brb |
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| 17:29.50 | darek | how can i check my ip? |
| 17:30.01 | pumpkin0 | darek: "ifconfig" |
| 17:30.14 | darek | pumpkin0, i have 'command not found' |
| 17:30.19 | darek | pumpkin0, i have to be root? |
| 17:30.57 | pumpkin0 | darek: yes |
| 17:30.57 | tonyb2006 | darek: need to be root for ifconfig |
| 17:31.06 | darek | ah ok thx |
| 17:31.10 | tonyb2006 | or /sbin/ifconfig to view stuff ususally |
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| 17:34.40 | darek | now if i want to add usr i have to type this: addusr name password ? |
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| 17:37.01 | Grubby | darek: man adduser |
| 17:37.16 | darek | ok |
| 17:37.50 | iturk | hi there is it possible to convert a odf document in a pdf file ?? |
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| 17:38.45 | abrotman | ODF ? |
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| 17:39.13 | iturk | abrotman: odt sorry |
| 17:39.19 | abrotman | ODT ? |
| 17:39.31 | iturk | abrotman: yes OpenDocument |
| 17:39.35 | cast | wont oo.o do it? |
| 17:39.42 | abrotman | should |
| 17:39.42 | miraterre | allright guys - really stupid question: how do I tell what version of debian I have? My sources.list has sid/etch/sarge, uname says 2.6.17-2, and debian.org lists versions like "3.1" and stuff. Is there a table somewhere that converts all these numbers? |
| 17:39.59 | abrotman | if not .. print to PS and cponvert topdf |
| 17:40.02 | cast | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 17:40.19 | abrotman | miraterre: yeah .. "borked" :) |
| 17:40.23 | cast | uname just lists the linux version |
| 17:40.30 | pumpkin0 | miraterre: if you have sid, sarge and etch in your sources.lst every bet is off. |
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| 17:40.51 | iturk | abrotman: ok thanks i ifind an export to pdf there !! |
| 17:40.54 | miraterre | thanks cast - another nomenclature to add to the table "testing/unstable" |
| 17:41.07 | abrotman | !version |
| 17:41.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 17:41.09 | cast | lol...how ever did you end up with sid/etch/sarge in sources? |
| 17:41.40 | miraterre | probably because I don't know the difference between 3.1 and woody |
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| 17:42.06 | miraterre | what do all these things mean? are they all referring to the same thing? |
| 17:42.14 | spldart | Is there a man for swat? |
| 17:42.32 | miraterre | lol, thanks spldart |
| 17:42.37 | cast | miraterre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_releases |
| 17:42.58 | pumpkin0 | miraterre: mixing etch, sarge and sid is like asking for trouble. It is like standing for a copper rod on the top of hill in a heavy thunderstrom |
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| 17:43.41 | scenestar | yo |
| 17:43.43 | cast | well, maybe if you were sitting on top of the copper rod wearing thing trowsers |
| 17:43.46 | miraterre | what does it mean when uname says 2.6.17? how can I convert those numbers into 3.X or such? |
| 17:43.50 | cast | s/thing/thin |
| 17:43.57 | krazykit | pumpkin0: i was thinking subsituting salt for sugar in your cookies |
| 17:44.01 | scenestar | can someone explain to me why the hell mysql keeps dropping all remote connections |
| 17:44.10 | scenestar | even though i can telnet into it remotely? |
| 17:44.21 | abrotman | miraterre: you can't .. that kernel version isn't currently available in debian |
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| 17:44.24 | cahoot | dysconfig? |
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| 17:44.37 | krazykit | miraterre: you don't. try cat /proc/version |
| 17:44.56 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 17:45.08 | cast | miraterre: how did you install debian? |
| 17:45.41 | cahoot | kanotix? |
| 17:45.57 | azeem | "My sources.list has sid/etch/sarge" |
| 17:45.58 | scenestar | hahaha |
| 17:46.01 | scenestar | ew |
| 17:46.11 | miraterre | friend installed it and recently upgraded from 2.6.16 to 2.6.17 |
| 17:46.18 | scenestar | abrotman , how on earth do you find the aptience to stay here day and noght |
| 17:46.31 | Rug | When upgrading the kernel would a dual-cpu + dual-core Opteron be considered "k7" or "big iron/server" |
| 17:46.38 | miraterre | now I'm trying to recompile the kernel but I don't seem to have the 2.6.17 sources, only the old |
| 17:46.47 | abrotman | scenestar: i have a gentoo user caged .. flog him often |
| 17:46.56 | krazykit | miraterre: why not get the latest and greatest? |
| 17:47.07 | pumpkin0 | Rug: big iron (it will have more then 4 GB RAM, right ?) |
| 17:47.11 | azeem | krazykit: why should you? |
| 17:47.14 | abrotman | krazykit: try not to mess him up more than he already is |
| 17:47.20 | azeem | miraterre: why do you want to recompile the kernel? |
| 17:47.21 | Rug | pumpkin0: actually no, just 2Gig |
| 17:47.23 | miraterre | I thought it was? I really don't care as long as I can recompile the kernel |
| 17:47.34 | scenestar | abrotman: you damn well know he enjoys that, only a pure massochist compiles everything from source |
| 17:47.49 | cast | miraterre: i'd sort out your version problems first, your system might be slightly hosed...would be a shame to do any more work on it if you had to wipe it all and start again later |
| 17:47.51 | pumpkin0 | Rug: any K7-SMP-kernel will do. Since the 2.6.17 all debian-kernels are SMP. |
| 17:48.03 | Rug | pumpkin0: ok thanks |
| 17:48.06 | miraterre | I have a laptop and need to get lots of stuff working - acpi, touchpad, external monitor, etc |
| 17:48.38 | krazykit | if it's a laptop, half the acpi stuff is likely broken, since The Big Guys are useless bags of crap |
| 17:48.39 | Rug | pumpkin0: this is the beefy'ist box I have ever built, so I just wanted to make sure. Thanks again |
| 17:48.48 | miraterre | I agree cast, I think it's installed correctly, I just don't have the sources and don't know how to get them |
| 17:48.53 | pumpkin0 | miraterre: upgrade to etch and most things will work. |
| 17:48.54 | azeem | krazykit: if you don't have anything productive to say, please stay quiet |
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| 17:49.22 | cast | Rug: there's linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 too, if you want to go the AMD64 route |
| 17:49.32 | Rug | cast: no 64 love for me. |
| 17:49.38 | pumpkin0 | Rug: why did you use 4 cores but only 2 GB RAM ... ? |
| 17:49.47 | Rug | cast: I don't need it & don't want the pain |
| 17:49.59 | cast | no pain! it feels gooood |
| 17:50.12 | cast | my ifconfig tx/rx counters don't damned loop over every 4gb |
| 17:50.13 | Rug | pumpkin0: a hell of a geat deal.. I'll get the other 2 gigs later |
| 17:50.16 | miraterre | proc/version says 2.6.17-2-686 and dpkg -l libc6 | tail -l says ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 17:50.42 | abrotman | !paster |
| 17:50.42 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:50.47 | abrotman | miraterre: show us your sources.list ^^^ |
| 17:50.52 | pumpkin0 | Rug: if you upgrade anyway: install 64 Bit right now. chancing latter is the bigger pain. |
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| 17:51.06 | miraterre | deb http://www.bootsplash.de/files/debian unstable main |
| 17:51.06 | miraterre | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 17:51.06 | miraterre | deb http://www.recherche.enac.fr/paparazzi/debian sarge main |
| 17:51.06 | miraterre | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 17:51.06 | miraterre | deb http://www.recherche.enac.fr/paparazzi/debian etch main |
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| 17:51.31 | Rug | Tyan Thunder mobo + 2 Opteron 270's + 2 GB ram = $1600 CDN. |
| 17:51.40 | pumpkin0 | !tell miraterre about paste |
| 17:51.51 | miraterre | sorry, thought 5 lines would be ok |
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| 17:52.21 | Rug | pumpkin0: really? (64bit???) So the rumours of buggy-ness are false? |
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| 17:52.28 | pumpkin0 | these 5 lines already make the system FUBAR, but just for fun ... |
| 17:53.13 | pumpkin0 | Rug: 64Bit works very fine for linux. It's windows having troubles no-end. Just stay clear of old closed-source stuff. |
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| 17:54.09 | Rug | pumpkin0: ok perhaps I will. (format and reinstall are fun anyway!) |
| 17:54.41 | pumpkin0 | Rug: partition and install one 32, one 64 Bit at the same time. |
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| 17:55.20 | Rug | ack, that would mean I need to reboot! |
| 17:55.26 | Rug | =) |
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| 17:55.59 | pumpkin0 | Rug: but 64Bit is only really interesting for large RAM. smaller RAM setups with <= 2 GB get a tiny little bit more performance, but not enough to worry about it... |
| 17:56.24 | ninja_ | um, 'wc -l *badblocks': 183 sda, 1817 sdb...both sata WDCs need replacing. anyone hazard a guess *why* they are so fubar when the IDE drives aren't? fubared sata controller? |
| 17:56.27 | abrotman | no more PAE!!! |
| 17:56.33 | miraterre | so any verdicts on my sources? I think they were correct for 2.6.16 and then 2.6.17 was installed as a binary package |
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| 17:56.49 | abrotman | miraterre: paste all your sources at paste.debian.net |
| 17:57.05 | pumpkin0 | miraterre: your system is dead. It is just booting out of habit... |
| 17:57.15 | azeem | pumpkin0: hrm? |
| 17:57.22 | miraterre | I pasted them here - did the 5 lines not appear? |
| 17:57.28 | cast | eh, i'm running debian amd64. no bugs. |
| 17:57.31 | pumpkin0 | ninja_: check the smart-status. |
| 17:57.34 | azeem | miraterre: was that all? |
| 17:57.35 | abrotman | miraterre: there are only five? |
| 17:57.53 | miraterre | yep |
| 17:57.54 | cast | the only things i'm lacking are closed source crap like flash, win32codecs for mplayer, and there's also no john the ripper in the repo |
| 17:58.05 | pumpkin0 | azeem: he has unstable, etch, sid and sarge. No pinning. i guess ... |
| 17:58.12 | azeem | pumpkin0: eh, no |
| 17:58.15 | azeem | it's etch |
| 17:58.30 | azeem | the rest are 3rd party repos AFAICT |
| 17:58.43 | abrotman | agreed! |
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| 17:59.08 | azeem | miraterre: run apt-cache search linux-source, maybe |
| 17:59.25 | miraterre | ok, so I think I need to put a deb-src line in so I can get the 2.6.17 sources, right? |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | no |
| 17:59.37 | azeem | mno |
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| 18:00.13 | azeem | miraterre: the kernel source is special, it does not need deb-src |
| 18:00.23 | azeem | miraterre: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.17 |
| 18:00.25 | miraterre | ok the apt-cache source thing gave me listings of 2.6.16 and 2.6.18 but not 2.6.17 |
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| 18:00.51 | azeem | miraterre: so upgrade to 2.6.18 |
| 18:00.55 | azeem | that's what etch uses |
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| 18:01.05 | miraterre | ok, how? |
| 18:01.14 | Rug | pumpkin0: is it possible to have certain apps/deamons run on specific cpu/cores? (ie. mysql on CPU #2, Apache on CPU #3) |
| 18:01.14 | azeem | aptitude upgade |
| 18:01.17 | azeem | or so |
| 18:01.27 | miraterre | my sources.list is ok? |
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| 18:01.32 | azeem | should be |
| 18:01.36 | abrotman | cpu affinity |
| 18:01.41 | azeem | did you run aptitude/apt-get update recently? |
| 18:01.46 | Rug | abrotman: yes |
| 18:01.53 | miraterre | yeah, ran apt-get update |
| 18:02.22 | Rug | in (windows) I know how to do it, just not in Linux |
| 18:03.09 | azeem | miraterre: what cpu do you have? |
| 18:03.16 | miraterre | p4 |
| 18:03.50 | scenestar | remind me to fucking stab whoever packages libpam-mysql |
| 18:03.54 | miraterre | I'm not familiar with aptitude, ok to run it from usr/src as root? |
| 18:04.03 | scenestar | miraterre depends |
| 18:04.08 | azeem | miraterre: you can run aptitude just like apt-get |
| 18:04.13 | azeem | it has the same syntax |
| 18:04.20 | scenestar | you can add yourself to the src group |
| 18:04.20 | azeem | but if you're familiar with apt-get, stick with it |
| 18:04.30 | azeem | scenestar: what does that have to do with aptitude? |
| 18:04.36 | azeem | miraterre: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 18:04.37 | scenestar | nvm |
| 18:04.55 | abrotman | miraterre: wwhy are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 18:05.06 | miraterre | acpi, etc |
| 18:05.17 | azeem | 18:37 < miraterre> I have a laptop and need to get lots of stuff working - acpi, touchpad, external monitor, etc |
| 18:05.54 | miraterre | every fix for every problem I have says "do this, that, and that, then simply recompile your kernel" as if it's easy :) |
| 18:06.35 | pumpkin0 | miraterre: Are you really sure the fixes are not already in the stock-kernel ? There is nothing unsupported on my PM laptop with 2.6.18. |
| 18:06.38 | miraterre | running the install image: Get: 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 2.6.18-7 [16.7MB] |
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| 18:07.27 | miraterre | I don't know how to do anything *without* recompiling the kernel - maybe that's my problem? |
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| 18:08.00 | miraterre | like, how do I configure acpi or any of the other stuff in menuconfig without needing to recompile? |
| 18:08.03 | pumpkin0 | miraterre: OK, one problem at a time. Pick the most important for you. |
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| 18:08.12 | miraterre | lol, ok |
| 18:08.48 | miraterre | the image download is almost done, will it extract to a folder in usr/src? |
| 18:09.09 | abrotman | no .. it will install |
| 18:09.44 | miraterre | I have folders in usr/src like ./linux-source-2.6.16-2/ |
| 18:09.58 | ninja_ | pumpkin0: 'device does not support SMART' accoring to smartctl -a |
| 18:10.03 | miraterre | I won't get one for .18? |
| 18:10.21 | pumpkin0 | ninja_: enable smart in the BIOS. |
| 18:10.44 | ninja_ | hmm, okay, i'll have to wait for badblocks to finish first |
| 18:10.47 | abrotman | miraterre: try to run this kernel first |
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| 18:11.09 | miraterre | says "Selecting previously deselected package linux-image-2.6.18-3-686. |
| 18:11.09 | miraterre | " is this ok? |
| 18:11.31 | Toast | I've just been updating my system and aptitude is asking question about mdadm. As I boot of a standard partition, would it be better to tell mdadm that I don't need any arrays for the root filesystem, or should it leave it on its default of all? |
| 18:11.41 | spldart | I'm afraid swat fixes nothing... I cannot get users to work properly... they either don't work at all or they all have access to all the other shares |
| 18:12.39 | miraterre | ok finished with one error: Hmm. The package shipped with a symbolic link /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/source However, I can not read the target: No such file or directory Therefore, I am deleting /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/source |
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| 18:12.53 | miraterre | what next? |
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| 18:16.46 | wjohn | hi |
| 18:17.02 | dino4k | Hi, since some days I have some trouble with my 3d acc. If I start for example 'glxinfo' x restarts. [nvidea, sid] |
| 18:17.02 | miraterre | do I need to build the new kernel now? |
| 18:17.22 | wjohn | ive got a problem with iptraf, found on google this error description: IPTraf cannot open the filter file. Could be caused by a shortage of file descriptors ... |
| 18:17.46 | wjohn | but cant find a solution for shortage of file descriptor |
| 18:17.47 | wjohn | s |
| 18:17.56 | Toast | Ok... I just left things with the default. |
| 18:18.36 | Toast | Now it's just trying to frighten me! |
| 18:19.00 | miraterre | looks like it may be ready to go without a recompile? I have a new initrd and updated menu.lst, should I reboot and check this kernel first or go back through the menuconfig? |
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| 18:19.08 | wjohn | does anybody know how to solve a shortage of file descriptors ? |
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| 18:19.26 | Toast | Have you ever done an update and had package configuration ask you if you want to remove the kernal you are using? |
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| 18:20.16 | unlink | how do i make 32-bit compatible code on em64t? |
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| 18:20.21 | unlink | like, with gcc |
| 18:20.39 | pumpkin0 | unlink: (why ?) google about cross-compiling. |
| 18:21.12 | louben | is grub for dos stable or i'll have problems? |
| 18:21.30 | unlink | i want to link something i made with nasm -f elf with something written in C, on 64 bit |
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| 18:22.27 | louben | or I should better use loadlin? |
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| 18:25.34 | miraterre | so it seems the 2.6.18 binary is installed but I still don't have the sources? how can I get the sources? |
| 18:25.44 | Zap-W | need help with cups, i configured cups.conf with Browsing On , BrowseAddress @LOCAL , BrowseAllow from @LOCAL , and Listen *:631 , in the client cups.conf i configured Browsing On , BrowsePoll server:631 , now i can see IPP packets going from the server to the client and from the client to the server , yet printers.conf in the client isn't automaticlly updated with the new printers like the document says |
| 18:25.52 | miraterre | my /linux/makefille still says 2.6.16 |
| 18:27.28 | |Ads| | umm |
| 18:27.30 | miraterre | when I run "apt-get source 2.6.18-3-686" it says I need URI in my sources.list - what should I put in there? |
| 18:27.46 | |Ads| | the file /etc/hosts can be removed if I've installed bind9-host and uninstalled hosts? |
| 18:28.07 | cahoot | miraterre, didn't you just install a compiled version of that kernel? |
| 18:28.09 | Zap-W | uninstalled hosts?? |
| 18:28.15 | Zap-W | what is that |
| 18:28.30 | miraterre | pumpkin0 - you still around? |
| 18:28.31 | |Ads| | do /cat/hosts |
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| 18:29.00 | miraterre | yes, cahoot, but the whole point was to be able to run menuconfig |
| 18:29.15 | cahoot | why? |
| 18:29.32 | cahoot | disregard |
| 18:29.34 | miraterre | lol, why does everyone ask me this? |
| 18:29.48 | abrotman | linux-source |
| 18:30.01 | miraterre | ? |
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| 18:30.28 | cahoot | miraterre, considering the problems you display one wonders if a precompiled kernel isn't you best bet |
| 18:30.52 | miraterre | fair enough, but I need to get some things working on this machine |
| 18:31.02 | geo-rge | miraterre: what are they? |
| 18:31.20 | miraterre | touchpad, external monitor, suspend, etc. |
| 18:31.34 | geo-rge | so this is a laptop |
| 18:31.39 | miraterre | yep |
| 18:32.01 | miraterre | so first I need acpi, because now if I close the lid the system crashes |
| 18:32.11 | geo-rge | touchpad shouldn't be a problem... isn't it just a ps/2 mouse? |
| 18:32.27 | miraterre | no, there's a touchscreen too, so it's really rough |
| 18:32.58 | miraterre | I found lots of solutions online to all my problems but they all end with "run make menuconfig" |
| 18:33.18 | geo-rge | err, that's begin :) |
| 18:33.31 | azeem | miraterre: as I said before, linux-source is different |
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| 18:33.42 | azeem | miraterre: run apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 18:34.18 | geo-rge | are late kernels debian supplies not including acpi? |
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| 18:35.10 | Azoff | hello |
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| 18:35.20 | miraterre | thanks azeem: Get: 1 http://ftp.de.debian.org etch/main linux-source-2.6.18 2.6.18-7 |
| 18:35.22 | xoz | acpi is a module |
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| 18:36.14 | Azoff | I am looking for a motherboard with AM2 socket that has good support in Debian sarge, do you know any chipset that I should look for or any that I should look out for? |
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| 18:36.21 | miraterre | so will that extract to a folder in my /usr/src? |
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| 18:36.50 | geo-rge | wha's am2 socket |
| 18:37.27 | Azoff | geo-rge: it's the socket AMD uses after 939 |
| 18:37.36 | HyperDevil | how can i make mysql queries on the command line? |
| 18:38.10 | geo-rge | right now it's 10:37 am, so it's after 9:39 |
| 18:38.30 | geo-rge | HyperDevil: using its text client |
| 18:38.45 | HyperDevil | geo-rge: what is that? |
| 18:38.58 | geo-rge | no idea... I don't use mysql |
| 18:38.59 | HyperDevil | mysql? |
| 18:39.36 | marculix | mysql -hlocalhost -ugloor -ppegasus joglog << EOF |
| 18:39.38 | geo-rge | I use databases that have features that protect data |
| 18:39.39 | marculix | SELECT bla bla |
| 18:39.42 | marculix | EOF |
| 18:39.51 | Azoff | geo-rge: I guess you do not know what to awnser me as you apperently doesn't know what AMD 939 is about anyway |
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| 18:40.27 | cast | Azoff: now i can help you there :) |
| 18:40.39 | cast | Azoff: i just bought a new AM2 X2 box |
| 18:40.54 | Azoff | cast: ok, what's your motherboard? |
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| 18:41.37 | geo-rge | Azoff: me answering you? no, I was asking you a question (note the difference, it's easy: if there is a "?" sign after, it's a "question") |
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| 18:41.53 | cast | Azoff: i've got a ASUS M2N-E, with corsair 800mhz ram [this mobo doesn't run any old ram, doesn't support the higher voltages some other ram needs |
| 18:42.22 | Azoff | cast: oki, I'll have a look at it. thanks |
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| 18:42.33 | drcode | hi all |
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| 18:42.52 | cast | i use etch, amd64. haven't tried sarge so can't comment there |
| 18:42.54 | drcode | I jhave nvidia with TV Out , how I can switch to TV out ? |
| 18:43.37 | Azoff | cast: ok. is it correct that it only supports 2 ide disks? |
| 18:44.14 | cast | yes, but 5[i think] sataa |
| 18:44.55 | cast | you only need ide for the optical drives imo, kb repeat rate goes go hell at high load, anyone know how to fix that? :\ |
| 18:45.15 | Azoff | cast: hmm.. the motherboad will be placed in a small ftp server for a UG that I am part of, and currently, it only has IDE disks |
| 18:45.20 | geo-rge | gogo hell? |
| 18:45.22 | cast | well, not just any high load, at high disk io, it's rather annoying. i wonder if its a bug in something |
| 18:45.42 | erore | I have a linux box as a router basically providing access to internet for several machines and a firewall. It also runs apache to serve some web pages in pgp/postgresql. It works fine until I unplug the cable from eth0 (connection to internet). All computers connected to eth1 (internall net) experience very slow access (response time) from the www server. Why is it so? |
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| 18:46.15 | geo-rge | erore: probably lack of dns |
| 18:46.25 | cast | Azoff: pci card? i think having only having two ide drives maxx is pretty standard for new am2 mobos |
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| 18:46.43 | Azoff | cast: yes, there is one pci card |
| 18:46.44 | erore | geo-rge, no I access the www pages by IP not name |
| 18:46.57 | Azoff | cast: but still, I need 4 devs on the motherboard |
| 18:46.58 | pickcoder | drcode: just google for it. there's plenty of how-tos |
| 18:47.02 | moshii | erore: maybe your routing table is fudged |
| 18:47.15 | drcode | k |
| 18:47.17 | drcode | thanx] |
| 18:47.31 | Azoff | but I guess that we could get two new satas and ditch the oldest IDE's ;-) |
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| 18:47.51 | moshii | or get something decent like scsi instead :P |
| 18:47.56 | geo-rge | erore: I'd install a caching-only dns in the router machine |
| 18:48.01 | Azoff | anyway, nice to hear that the chipset works.. will look for a mb with 2 IDE channels with that chipset |
| 18:48.18 | geo-rge | sata is still ide, and it blocks your processes |
| 18:48.22 | erore | moshii: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 18:48.22 | erore | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 18:48.22 | erore | 172.17.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 18:48.22 | erore | default 172.17.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 18:50.08 | moshii | for the most part sata is about penis compo marketing numbers opposed to benefits ;) |
| 18:50.28 | abrotman | there are speed benefits for SATA |
| 18:50.47 | geo-rge | abrotman: but not while it's blocking your processes |
| 18:50.57 | geo-rge | there's no benefit to that |
| 18:51.23 | geo-rge | the benefit is: less money |
| 18:51.44 | HyperDevil | ok i have made a command line query via the mysql commando.. i only want the value.. not the idiotic box around it.. how do i do that? |
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| 18:52.02 | displaced | i've got a system running 4 sata in raid on debian. what's the issue with sata? |
| 18:52.03 | geo-rge | man mysql |
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| 18:52.47 | geo-rge | sata is still ide, therefore your main cpu is used in the reading and writing of the data on the drive... |
| 18:52.50 | moshii | I'd pay twice as much for a disk half the speed that didn't die after 3 weeks |
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| 18:53.05 | HyperDevil | geo-rge: its not in the man |
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| 18:53.13 | moshii | geo-rge: even with dma transfers? |
| 18:53.28 | abrotman | it's not ide |
| 18:53.55 | geo-rge | it's ata, which is some newer flavor of ide |
| 18:54.10 | ragnul | white is the new black |
| 18:54.42 | HyperDevil | -N |
| 18:54.55 | geo-rge | so it's in the man :) |
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| 18:55.27 | moshii | geo-rge: even ide does dma based transfer,... unless you're using pio |
| 18:56.06 | axept | hi ,anyone knows how to fix/setup xorg ? |
| 18:56.19 | moshii | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:56.29 | geo-rge | axept: there might be an #xorg |
| 18:56.36 | rahul | moshii: the cpu still needs to do lots of fiddly work to do the transfer |
| 18:56.45 | abrotman | axept: what's borken about it ? |
| 18:56.50 | axept | i could not get into X after install |
| 18:56.57 | miraterre | So I ran apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 but I still see a symlink in usr/src: "linux -> linux-source-2.6.16" what should I do? |
| 18:57.00 | abrotman | what did you try ? |
| 18:57.05 | MatBoy | has someone here ever done raid5 over USB-drives ? |
| 18:57.06 | moshii | rahul: true, but it's hardly moving the whole tranfer through the cpu |
| 18:57.08 | geo-rge | axept: why? |
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| 18:57.09 | abrotman | checked the logs ? |
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| 18:57.34 | rahul | moshii: still, it's at least 50% more cpu |
| 18:57.52 | axept | Xorg is incomplete! |
| 18:57.54 | cast | hmm. this keyboard repeating issue only happens under x. doh :( |
| 18:58.02 | geo-rge | axept: ok |
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| 18:58.19 | abrotman | axept: did you check the logs? |
| 18:58.20 | cast | [guess that's better than a biosssssssss bug or somesuch, but still...a bug all the same] |
| 18:58.24 | moshii | rahul: ide opposed to .... |
| 18:58.31 | rahul | moshii: what else is there? scsi |
| 18:58.32 | miraterre | should I just manually unzip the source file and make a new symlink? |
| 18:58.32 | geo-rge | axept: but having said "ok", it does work for me :) |
| 18:59.01 | geo-rge | miraterre: when you installed linux-source, did it provide a tarball? |
| 18:59.10 | miraterre | yeah, have the file |
| 18:59.19 | geo-rge | you don't need a symlink |
| 18:59.20 | moshii | rahul: mmm I think you'll find the UDMA modes require little cpu intervention |
| 18:59.34 | rahul | moshii: I've found otherwise |
| 18:59.37 | axept | i only checked xorg because it gives a beep and goes black after gdm start |
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| 18:59.52 | axept | so i checked xorg |
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| 19:00.03 | geo-rge | axept: have you checked the logs? |
| 19:00.04 | miraterre | I have file:///usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2, but my usr/src/linux folder is old |
| 19:00.14 | rahul | heh |
| 19:00.17 | moshii | rahul: from coding them in assebler or using them os level? |
| 19:00.17 | rahul | file:/// |
| 19:00.17 | miraterre | so the makefile still says 2.6.16 |
| 19:00.23 | rahul | moshii: using them |
| 19:00.28 | geo-rge | miraterre: don't unpack it into there |
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| 19:00.57 | geo-rge | it "just won't work"[TM] if you do |
| 19:01.01 | axept | it happened with damn small and now with debian |
| 19:01.13 | miraterre | what do I do? am I already set to run menuconfig? seems like I need to tell it where the new sources are? |
| 19:01.13 | geo-rge | axept: have you checked the logs? |
| 19:01.24 | moshii | rahul: you're os will be doing alsorts of prep to get the data in the best possible layout to push to disk, which may or may not be needed in scsi |
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| 19:01.26 | geo-rge | miraterre: probably |
| 19:01.28 | aswp` | hey |
| 19:01.29 | unixslut` | Hi |
| 19:01.31 | Setzer` | Hi |
| 19:01.36 | miraterre | how do I do that? |
| 19:01.39 | moshii | rahul: from a hardware level you setup a few regs and push go |
| 19:01.40 | Setzer` | fun |
| 19:01.42 | azeem | miraterre: where is your makefile? |
| 19:01.42 | abrotman | hey |
| 19:01.44 | aswp` | secret |
| 19:01.44 | unixslut` | secret |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | hey |
| 19:01.55 | rahul | moshii: shrug. I think this was before the elevator, actually. |
| 19:01.59 | axept | i have a CTR monitor.How can i check the logs through console? |
| 19:02.02 | geo-rge | hi |
| 19:02.10 | geo-rge | hey |
| 19:02.14 | miraterre | it's in usr/src/linux which is a symlink to the old version folder |
| 19:02.42 | geo-rge | miraterre: unpacking should not disturb any of that |
| 19:02.52 | geo-rge | have you unpacked yet? |
| 19:02.54 | moshii | rahul: the worse thing about sata isn't that it's slow, it's that there's no disk that are capable of those speeds |
| 19:02.58 | miraterre | symlink is "linux -> linux-source-2.6.16" |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | hey |
| 19:03.05 | axept | i think the only way is to setup xorg manually |
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| 19:03.08 | abrotman | oh well |
| 19:03.09 | geo-rge | what version did you download? |
| 19:03.13 | rahul | moshii: the bus better be faster than the devices on it |
| 19:03.15 | miraterre | .18 |
| 19:03.17 | geo-rge | abrotman: weird bots? |
| 19:03.19 | mcquaid | not necessarily deb related, but I have a voip router that I'm trying to unlock, one of the first steps is to set up a web server. some use apache, but on the win side some have used tinyweb server just for ease of use and the limited scope with which it'll be used |
| 19:03.23 | abrotman | geo-rge: perhaps .. |
| 19:03.36 | mcquaid | can anyone recommend something simple for this task? boa? |
| 19:03.37 | rahul | moshii: especially with scsi cause you can have 15 devices on it |
| 19:03.46 | geo-rge | miraterre: so did you see linux-source-* dir in /usr/src? |
| 19:03.52 | moshii | rahul: SATA is one to one still isn't it? |
| 19:03.59 | rahul | moshii: no idea |
| 19:04.01 | abrotman | mcquaid: we don't know anything about windows |
| 19:04.07 | miraterre | yeah, several of them geo-rge |
| 19:04.21 | miraterre | but no folder for .18, only a tar |
| 19:04.31 | axept | cos xorg is incomplete ..no horiz / vert rates and comes with unsuported rates for my monitor |
| 19:04.37 | geo-rge | so, you didn't unpack that tar yet? |
| 19:04.43 | mcquaid | not asking for windows info, just saying that apache is probably overkill for what i need, asking for a recommendation of a small web server thats easy to use |
| 19:04.49 | geo-rge | circular :/ |
| 19:04.58 | moshii | mcquaid: lighttpd |
| 19:05.02 | mcquaid | even if it's limited in functionality. as I'll just be using it for this |
| 19:05.13 | miraterre | no, I don't know what to do with it. I thought the apt-get install was going to do something |
| 19:05.23 | moshii | mcquaid: if you don't need php etc tighttpd |
| 19:05.28 | geo-rge | miraterre: it did, it gave you that tarball |
| 19:05.28 | rahul | miraterre: it did something. it put the tarball there. |
| 19:05.40 | mcquaid | thx moshii one of those should do |
| 19:05.51 | miraterre | so should I unpack it into a folder like usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 ? |
| 19:05.59 | geo-rge | miraterre: what is the name of that tarball? |
| 19:06.07 | azeem | miraterre: just unpack it |
| 19:06.08 | azeem | !tar |
| 19:06.08 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 19:06.26 | rahul | apt-get install unF |
| 19:06.36 | geo-rge | how much room you got in /usr/src |
| 19:06.38 | miraterre | file is linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
| 19:06.40 | mcquaid | one more thing, it says i need to set up dns and create primary zones (on the win side they recommend simpledns) what would be suitable in linux for this? |
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| 19:07.09 | mcquaid | i hate to mention windows, just everyguide i see is a windows guide, and i'd rather do it in linux |
| 19:07.17 | Cataphract | bind |
| 19:07.20 | geo-rge | ok, so the outer layer is bz2 which is a compression... inside that layer is a tar, inside that is representative of files |
| 19:07.27 | moshii | mcquaid: I use maradns |
| 19:07.41 | geo-rge | miraterre: see how I got most of that from the name? |
| 19:07.44 | moshii | mcquaid: bind is a bit too much for most people in my opinion |
| 19:07.56 | mcquaid | moshii, looks good, thx again |
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| 19:08.09 | moshii | geo-rge: tar globs all the files together into one whole |
| 19:08.26 | geo-rge | bind by (debian package) default is a caching-only dns |
| 19:08.53 | Sneg | would debian recognize a full 300GB drive on a pentium2-350 as long as i use a /boot partition on the front of the drive? |
| 19:09.10 | moshii | Sneg: maybe, depends on your hardware |
| 19:09.48 | miraterre | geo-rge can you tell me the command to unpack this so that I can get it right the first time? |
| 19:09.56 | moshii | Sneg: you should have a jumper to fake the drive as 30gb or so to the bios so that you can boot it, after tha it's up to your chipset |
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| 19:10.07 | riot | hi. |
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| 19:10.48 | riot | does debian testing linux-image-2.6.18-3 do software suspend correctly on older notebooks (Fujitsu lifebook S with P3 750)? |
| 19:10.49 | Sneg | do most older chipsets have a limit around 137GB? or is that the bios? |
| 19:10.58 | moshii | miraterre: tar xjf file.tar.bz |
| 19:11.21 | moshii | miraterre: x - extract, j - bizipped, f - file |
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| 19:11.50 | moshii | Sneg: that's going to be one of those LBA things |
| 19:11.58 | geo-rge | Sneg: using a /boot partition on the front of the drive (I usually use ext2) for doing the initial boot... once the bootloader loads, it can usually see the whole drive |
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| 19:12.43 | abrotman | Sneg: BIOS |
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| 19:13.46 | displaced | want to hear a strange one? |
| 19:14.03 | geo-rge | wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnn! |
| 19:14.10 | geo-rge | that was a strange one |
| 19:14.18 | displaced | i'm building a firewall for a local theater |
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| 19:14.54 | geo-rge | miraterre: show the command you think will do it |
| 19:15.03 | displaced | and when i installed the second network card in this old compaq i'm going to use (550) the system wouldn't boot |
| 19:15.15 | displaced | removed it and it boots |
| 19:15.26 | geo-rge | displaced: irq conflict? isa bus? |
| 19:15.34 | displaced | go into bios and disable it and it still boots and the card works! |
| 19:15.46 | geo-rge | that is weird |
| 19:16.00 | displaced | install the second card and it now boots and both cards now work! |
| 19:16.02 | moshii | bios is waiting on an option rom or something |
| 19:16.32 | miraterre | geo-rge - I cheated with moshii's command |
| 19:16.39 | displaced | go back into bios and disable the second card as well, system still boots and both cards still work |
| 19:16.50 | displaced | hows that for strange? |
| 19:16.51 | miraterre | ok, so now I have the proper folder, how do I set it up? |
| 19:16.56 | geo-rge | good :) ok, what do you see in /usr/src that looks like it got created? |
| 19:17.06 | geo-rge | what;s the name of that folder |
| 19:17.09 | moshii | displaced: sounds like a broken bios ;) |
| 19:17.11 | miraterre | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 19:17.18 | geo-rge | ok, good |
| 19:17.20 | geo-rge | cd in there |
| 19:17.30 | geo-rge | are you in x? |
| 19:17.39 | displaced | that's what i thought too, and since linux doesn't read bios anyway, i could care less!!! |
| 19:17.46 | miraterre | but I don't have a folder like "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2" |
| 19:17.53 | displaced | it works, but that is such a strange error |
| 19:17.55 | geo-rge | you don't need that |
| 19:18.12 | miraterre | ok, so all the normal stuff seems to be in there |
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| 19:18.57 | miraterre | do I just change the symlink or is it moe complicated? |
| 19:19.11 | geo-rge | do you want to build a kernel almost like the debian kernels except for your changes? |
| 19:19.18 | geo-rge | you don't need a symlink |
| 19:19.36 | geo-rge | you mean /usr/src/linux -> this dir |
| 19:19.40 | geo-rge | right? |
| 19:19.44 | miraterre | yep, just want to be able to check boxes in menuconfig :) |
| 19:19.58 | miraterre | yes, src/linux is the old stuff |
| 19:20.01 | geo-rge | ok, are you in x? |
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| 19:20.23 | displaced | took me 4 hours to figure this out, 5 different network cards and it always did the same thing, would boot with any single card in the system but no combination of cards would work |
| 19:20.58 | miraterre | well, I'm in a shell from kde |
| 19:21.00 | displaced | until i disabled the irq for the card in bios |
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| 19:21.27 | geo-rge | miraterre: and did you use su to gain write perm on /usr/src? |
| 19:21.33 | miraterre | yes |
| 19:21.42 | miraterre | su - |
| 19:21.55 | geo-rge | ok... are you in the linux-source dir now? |
| 19:22.05 | miraterre | yes, the new one |
| 19:22.12 | geo-rge | do you want to build a kernel almost like the debian kernels except for your changes? |
| 19:22.18 | miraterre | yes |
| 19:22.25 | geo-rge | ok, so you need the .config |
| 19:22.51 | geo-rge | first thing: make mrproper |
| 19:23.17 | miraterre | ok done |
| 19:23.50 | geo-rge | could you do the following... |
| 19:23.59 | geo-rge | cd /var/cache/apt/archives ; |
| 19:24.17 | miraterre | ok |
| 19:24.18 | geo-rge | ls linux-image*.deb |
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| 19:24.33 | geo-rge | and tell how many of those there are |
| 19:24.39 | miraterre | maybe 20 |
| 19:24.43 | geo-rge | wow |
| 19:24.48 | geo-rge | 20?? |
| 19:24.56 | geo-rge | you' |
| 19:24.57 | miraterre | 14 |
| 19:25.07 | geo-rge | ve gone thru a lot of kernels :) |
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| 19:25.27 | HyperDevil | how can i subtract a 1 from a value? |
| 19:25.36 | geo-rge | man expr |
| 19:25.40 | blondie | HyperDevil: huh? |
| 19:25.46 | miraterre | I have 2 interesing ones: linux-image-2.6.16-2-686_2.6.16-18_i386.deb and linux-image-2.6.18-3-686_2.6.18-7_i386.deb |
| 19:25.49 | HyperDevil | i want to know the date of yesterday for example |
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| 19:26.07 | axept | thanks for your help i am on debian etch now :-) |
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| 19:26.16 | emss | axept: no problem |
| 19:26.39 | andy___ | when i run chkrootkit -q on my system i get the following file marked a suspicious "/lib/init/rw/.ramfs" -- does anyone have any idea whats going on with that file |
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| 19:27.14 | geo-rge | miraterre: ok, in another shell cd'ed to your home dir... |
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| 19:27.26 | miraterre | ok, not as root? |
| 19:27.35 | geo-rge | right |
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| 19:27.40 | miraterre | ok |
| 19:27.52 | geo-rge | mkdir linux-2618-work |
| 19:27.55 | displaced | anyone here use squid? |
| 19:27.57 | Orion78 | Hello, can anyone confirm that fluxbox fails to start on freash sid? |
| 19:28.10 | miraterre | ok |
| 19:28.13 | JoelR | one question, if i'm doing a process that is giving me too many information via STDOUT and i want to redirect it to a file i use the redirection symbol ">" but, to use this "process" i need to suplly a password, but if i write process > log.txt i don't see the prompt asking me for a pass how do i do? |
| 19:29.18 | pickcoder | JoelR: 1> |
| 19:29.19 | blondie | you don't |
| 19:29.37 | blondie | but you can still type the password :) |
| 19:29.47 | geo-rge | cp /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-3-686_2.6.18-7_i386.deb ~/linux-2618-work/ |
| 19:30.11 | RvGaTe | With Evolution mail, is it possible that whenever i switch back to windows, to import the emails into thunderbird? |
| 19:30.15 | miraterre | ok |
| 19:30.24 | JoelR | pickcoder, if i do "2>1" what does that mean? |
| 19:30.34 | miraterre | the deb file is there now |
| 19:30.38 | pickcoder | 2 is stderr |
| 19:30.40 | geo-rge | ok, cd linux-2618-work and then... |
| 19:30.43 | blondie | pickcoder: erm! |
| 19:30.49 | pickcoder | you can't see stdout if you're capturing it |
| 19:30.58 | geo-rge | ar -x (hit tab) (hit enter) |
| 19:30.58 | pickcoder | so you'll have to type blindly |
| 19:31.07 | blondie | yes |
| 19:31.21 | geo-rge | did that work? |
| 19:31.36 | miraterre | no, gave help file |
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| 19:31.58 | geo-rge | ok, ar -x linux-image-2.6.18-3-686_2.6.18-7_i386.deb |
| 19:32.01 | pickcoder | JoelR: 2>1 is redirect stderr to stdout |
| 19:32.15 | geo-rge | isn't it 2>&1? |
| 19:32.19 | miraterre | ok, have more files now |
| 19:32.36 | JoelR | and 1 is stdin? |
| 19:32.48 | pickcoder | geo-rge: maybe... I can't remember |
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| 19:32.57 | geo-rge | miraterre: you should have what a debian package consists of... two tarballs and a text file |
| 19:33.09 | miraterre | yep |
| 19:33.27 | geo-rge | tar xfz data.tar.gz |
| 19:33.30 | teledyn | 1 is stdout |
| 19:33.42 | pickcoder | 0 is stdin |
| 19:33.42 | geo-rge | now you should have some dirs, like usr and boot |
| 19:33.46 | teledyn | it sends error output to wherever regular output goes |
| 19:33.57 | geo-rge | 938475893475 is stdcrazy |
| 19:33.58 | miraterre | yep |
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| 19:34.17 | geo-rge | miraterre: look in boot |
| 19:34.25 | geo-rge | (not /boot) |
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| 19:34.42 | miraterre | 3 files |
| 19:34.49 | geo-rge | what are they? |
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| 19:35.22 | miraterre | config-2.6.18-3-686 System.map-2.6.18-3-686 vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 19:35.27 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 19:36.02 | geo-rge | config-2.6.18-3-686 is the source config file which is exactly like the image .deb |
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| 19:36.18 | geo-rge | (they probably made it with make menuconfig) |
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| 19:36.56 | geo-rge | if you -just- use this, you will get exactly the .deb you already have |
| 19:37.07 | miraterre | ok |
| 19:37.11 | rhalff | hi what provides /etc/environment on etch ? it doesn't seem to be available |
| 19:37.20 | geo-rge | but what we're going to do is have you copy this into the source dir, and then run make menuconfig |
| 19:37.25 | RvGaTe | Who uses Evolution... i started it up first time, looks good... any tricks/stuff i should know ? |
| 19:37.36 | axept_ | hi again i need one more.. how can i exit X tried init 3 telinit 3 with no success |
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| 19:37.51 | geo-rge | so: you'll have the same defaults as the linux that came with the package |
| 19:37.57 | miraterre | ok |
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| 19:38.14 | geo-rge | in you su shell... |
| 19:38.16 | abrotman | telinit 3 doesn't do it |
| 19:38.27 | axept_ | and? |
| 19:38.44 | geo-rge | which should be cd-ed into the source dir (yes?) |
| 19:38.56 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
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| 19:39.15 | axept_ | ok i'll try thanks |
| 19:39.42 | miraterre | yep |
| 19:39.46 | geo-rge | that should do it unless he has more than one ?dms :) |
| 19:40.10 | geo-rge | ok, you're going to copy that config file to .config |
| 19:40.35 | geo-rge | go to the other shell and do whoami |
| 19:40.40 | miraterre | ok |
| 19:40.52 | geo-rge | and then tell me whoamu |
| 19:41.20 | Ronin | whoamu geo-rge :) |
| 19:41.27 | miraterre | root |
| 19:41.37 | geo-rge | nono, the other shell :) |
| 19:41.56 | miraterre | miraterre |
| 19:42.00 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 19:42.46 | |Ads| | what weird thing |
| 19:42.55 | miraterre | is this a workaround so that I don't need to update the usr/src/linux link? |
| 19:42.56 | |Ads| | I have 3 guys connected to my server but I cant see their ips :s |
| 19:43.14 | blondie | ? |
| 19:43.34 | pumpkin0 | |Ads|: ethereat/wireshark and you see everything you want ... |
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| 19:44.30 | geo-rge | cp ~miraterre/linux-2618-work/boot/config-2.6.18-3-686 .. |
| 19:44.52 | geo-rge | that will give you the original .config as a backup |
| 19:45.01 | cast | |Ads|: netstat -ant |
| 19:45.05 | geo-rge | (I think it ended up in /usr/src) |
| 19:45.11 | geo-rge | now, |
| 19:45.20 | geo-rge | cp ~miraterre/linux-2618-work/boot/config-2.6.18-3-686 .config |
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| 19:46.03 | miraterre | wait, from which folder am i doing these? |
| 19:46.12 | geo-rge | and that ends our need to have ~miraterre/linux-2618-work/ around; clean at your leisure |
| 19:46.19 | geo-rge | in the linux source dir |
| 19:46.51 | miraterre | real linux source, or linux-source-2.6.18? |
| 19:47.04 | geo-rge | latter |
| 19:47.17 | geo-rge | you told me you were there :) maybe I forgot something |
| 19:47.44 | geo-rge | btw... it's just as real :) |
| 19:47.45 | miraterre | ok, done |
| 19:47.57 | miraterre | actually, its more real :) |
| 19:48.02 | geo-rge | ok, make menuconfig |
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| 19:48.28 | geo-rge | to review... |
| 19:48.36 | miraterre | so, I'll always have to do the menuconfig from here instead of linux-source? |
| 19:48.47 | miraterre | mmmm... beer |
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| 19:49.12 | displaced | does anyone here use squid? |
| 19:49.20 | HyperDevil | how can i release my own programs / scripts under GPL? |
| 19:49.24 | geo-rge | we got a new linux source, unpacked it somewhere, ran make mrproper, copied in some .config which consists of interesting defaults, then ran make menuconfig |
| 19:49.54 | displaced | i've tried there channel and no one is answering |
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| 19:50.04 | geo-rge | #there? |
| 19:50.12 | displaced | thier |
| 19:50.15 | miraterre | yep |
| 19:50.15 | displaced | their |
| 19:50.16 | geo-rge | oh :) |
| 19:50.20 | displaced | jeez guys |
| 19:50.23 | displaced | lol |
| 19:50.42 | displaced | i'm trying to do several things at once including install squid for like the 8th time |
| 19:50.53 | HyperDevil | how can i release my own programs / scripts under GPL? |
| 19:51.02 | geo-rge | read the GPL first |
| 19:51.10 | yeager | HyperDevil: just include a copy of the license |
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| 19:51.50 | geo-rge | miraterre: so what dir is your root login CDed to |
| 19:52.09 | geo-rge | did the make menuconfig work? |
| 19:52.15 | miraterre | usr/src/linux-source-2.16-8 |
| 19:52.43 | miraterre | yeah, selected a few things and ready to try, will likely do this a hundred times |
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| 19:53.06 | geo-rge | miraterre: ok, you're done with the make menuconfig? |
| 19:53.09 | miraterre | so I abandon the linux-source folder? |
| 19:53.25 | miraterre | yep |
| 19:53.31 | geo-rge | no, stay in there |
| 19:53.35 | geo-rge | run this: |
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| 19:53.55 | geo-rge | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 19:54.04 | miraterre | should I remove that symlink and the old sources folders? |
| 19:54.16 | geo-rge | no, not necessary |
| 19:54.23 | geo-rge | but you can if you want more space |
| 19:54.34 | miraterre | ok, it's running |
| 19:55.11 | miraterre | is that linux-source symlink just for simple conveinience so that you remember which source is current? or do other programs refer to it? |
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| 19:56.16 | geo-rge | yeah, probably so... it's just sortof the canonical place at one time, when all kernel source tarballs dumpped their stuff into dir linux and usually untarred in /usr/src |
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| 19:56.52 | geo-rge | we sorta forgot a step, but it should be ok... |
| 19:57.03 | miraterre | lol, that's what I like to hear |
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| 19:57.28 | miraterre | so what next? I make my initrd and install it? |
| 19:57.36 | geo-rge | I always run make oldconfig on the .config before running make menuconfig to make sure there's no unanswered questions |
| 19:57.43 | geo-rge | it will make that for you |
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| 19:57.52 | geo-rge | what, it's done?? |
| 19:57.58 | miraterre | lol, no way |
| 19:58.10 | netsurfer | oh yeah, i've really managed to get myself in a pickle now... deleted /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf and even after a reinstall I cant get it back |
| 19:58.13 | miraterre | just want to be prepared :) |
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| 19:58.21 | netsurfer | usin deb. stable |
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| 19:58.35 | geo-rge | someone deleted a pickle |
| 19:58.51 | netsurfer | not quite :-P |
| 19:58.51 | miraterre | so that's it? just check that the menu.list is ok and reboot? |
| 19:59.15 | geo-rge | after installing, run grub-update |
| 19:59.28 | geo-rge | then look at your menu.lst |
| 19:59.30 | pumpkin0 | netgod: man dpkg => search for "confmiss" |
| 19:59.45 | miraterre | ok, run grub update from this sources folder? |
| 19:59.50 | pumpkin0 | netsurfer: ^^^ |
| 20:00.05 | netsurfer | ok pumpkin0 cheers |
| 20:00.34 | geo-rge | miraterre: after installing the package, which you will find in .. |
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| 20:02.00 | geo-rge | in order for grub-update^Wupdate-grub to do its work, the image needs to be installed |
| 20:02.31 | geo-rge | and note I screwed up the name, it's update-grub |
| 20:02.40 | miraterre | ok |
| 20:02.59 | miraterre | and "installed" is what i'm doing now? :) |
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| 20:06.34 | miraterre | so geo-rge when I go back and try something in menuconfig, do I do the mrproper and oldconfig every time? |
| 20:07.12 | geo-rge | miraterre: no, only when you either change the source (you editing it or patching) or new version |
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| 20:08.00 | geo-rge | once you install that package you will have a config for -your- version in /boot |
| 20:08.03 | geo-rge | take a look |
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| 20:08.39 | geo-rge | a little bonus feature of make-kpkg, and it's why we found the config in that package |
| 20:08.43 | miraterre | ok, so for menu changes I just do these last 2 steps: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers, and update-grub? |
| 20:09.07 | geo-rge | well, run make menuconfig first :) |
| 20:09.12 | abrotman | you didn't install anything |
| 20:09.15 | miraterre | :) |
| 20:09.29 | geo-rge | oh, right |
| 20:09.29 | displaced | miraterre: take a look here http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Compiling_a_kernel#Special_notes_for_Debian_Users |
| 20:09.30 | geo-rge | thanks |
| 20:09.52 | geo-rge | you have to install the package after doing make-kpkg and berfore doing update-grub |
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| 20:10.05 | miraterre | thanks displaced, will read |
| 20:10.07 | geo-rge | which will be in .. |
| 20:10.14 | JB[away] | Hi, any debian developer online? |
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| 20:10.56 | geo-rge | if it's a packaging question there's both debian-mentors@l.d.o and #debian-mentors |
| 20:11.06 | displaced | miraterre: if you scroll up on the page, they give you the syntax for mkintrd too |
| 20:11.13 | streuner | !nickometer JB[away] |
| 20:11.15 | dpkg | 'JB[away]' is 15.000% lame, streuner |
| 20:11.21 | geo-rge | but you don't need the mkinitrd |
| 20:11.31 | geo-rge | because the installing of the package does that for you |
| 20:11.44 | geo-rge | (not the creating of the package btw) |
| 20:11.47 | abrotman | JB[away]: why? |
| 20:12.05 | geo-rge | ONLY 15%!! burn! |
| 20:12.24 | displaced | reboot the system, or better yet, check menu.list see if it references an initrd |
| 20:12.35 | displaced | before you reboot and it doesn't |
| 20:12.45 | geo-rge | yeah, that too |
| 20:12.50 | geo-rge | it should |
| 20:12.50 | JB[away] | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403174 <- abrotman: i want to know that i must to reinstall the box or can i wait on any update that fix this problem? |
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| 20:13.05 | streuner | !dbugs 403174 |
| 20:13.07 | abrotman | and you need a DD for that ? |
| 20:13.09 | dpkg | #403174:S[ssh] transition from ssh-package to openssh-packages breaks upgrade; Fri, 15 Dec 2006 06:48:02 UTC |
| 20:13.16 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 20:13.16 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 20:13.26 | streuner | JB[away]: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:13.52 | abrotman | it's an overwrite issue |
| 20:14.04 | abrotman | nice |
| 20:14.21 | JB[away] | -bash: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1: command not found |
| 20:14.23 | miraterre | ok, so it looks like I need to run "dpkg -i ....?" next, right? |
| 20:14.34 | miraterre | what is the name of my deb package? |
| 20:14.38 | JB[away] | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:14.40 | JB[away] | :) |
| 20:14.46 | streuner | oh, etch |
| 20:14.49 | geo-rge | miraterre: look in .. and see :) |
| 20:14.55 | streuner | and why do you want upgrade to unstable? |
| 20:14.58 | JB[away] | yes, upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 20:15.12 | JB[away] | testing and not unstable |
| 20:15.13 | JB[away] | :) |
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| 20:15.34 | geo-rge | booka-foo-2.6.18-blahblah_*.deb :) |
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| 20:15.47 | JB[away] | streuner, i thought that etch is stable for using |
| 20:15.53 | geo-rge | no, it's not called that :) |
| 20:16.01 | cast | if i was tarballing ~/ and got this error: "file changed as we read it" "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors", aside from the files that changed that maybe in some random state in the tarball, the rest of the tarball is fine right? the tarball the same size as ~/ [i don't want to rerun tar, it took 1.5 hours. :(] |
| 20:16.10 | RvGaTe | How can i enable the writing of the é with a shortcut... something like right-alt+e, or left-alt+numpad-130 |
| 20:16.11 | streuner | JB[away]: etch = testing NOT stable |
| 20:16.20 | RvGaTe | ? |
| 20:16.25 | geo-rge | JB[away]: getting more so... it's frozen at the moment |
| 20:16.38 | cast | etch, stable in use, not stable in name, imho |
| 20:16.40 | JB[away] | sure, but many poeple said that is running stable |
| 20:16.50 | JB[away] | cast: that is what i mean :) |
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| 20:17.04 | streuner | JB[away]: that's still a bug |
| 20:17.28 | streuner | but nevermind, abrotman gave you a hint |
| 20:17.36 | JB[away] | have i a chance that any update can fix it, or i must to reinstall my box? |
| 20:17.42 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 20:17.42 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 20:17.55 | JB[away] | streuner, mein deutscher freund, can i pm you? |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | streuner has a girlfriend! |
| 20:18.21 | rahul | oooo he wants teh sexxx0rs |
| 20:18.23 | JB[away] | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install ssh or was? |
| 20:18.45 | streuner | JB[away]: keep the convo in channel, please, there are serveral reasons for (abortman knew alread about the bug, i don't...) |
| 20:18.55 | streuner | s/alread/already/ |
| 20:18.56 | miraterre | geo-rge I'm guessing it will make a file in usr/src called "linux-image-2.6.18.deb" right? |
| 20:19.11 | JB[away] | abrotman, can i pm you? |
| 20:19.20 | abrotman | no .. keep it in the channel please |
| 20:19.28 | JB[away] | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install ssh or what? |
| 20:19.31 | JB[away] | that :) |
| 20:19.31 | miraterre | and if I do it again I can append a revision to the kpkg line? |
| 20:19.48 | JB[away] | ssh or openssh-server ? |
| 20:20.40 | abrotman | JB[away]: yes .. try it |
| 20:20.50 | geo-rge | miraterre: yeah, something like that |
| 20:21.01 | streuner | JB[away]: or remove those packages and re-install them new |
| 20:21.12 | RvGaTe | Any guides on how to setup a vnc server on a debian workstation (etch with xfce)... so that i can startup my pc in the morning, and then without loggin in, can go to my work, and login from there... ? |
| 20:21.16 | JB[away] | i can´t remove it |
| 20:22.00 | pumpkin0 | RvGaTe: create a script in /etc/init.d (ln'ed to rc2) that starts the vncserver. |
| 20:22.03 | miraterre | cool thanks for all your help geo-rge! is there any faster way to recompile for minor menuconfig changes? |
| 20:22.04 | geo-rge | one thing nice about having .debs of kernel images is you have one file that has it all, and you can organize by putting it in a directory named for part of your organization of it |
| 20:22.12 | JB[away] | abrotman: error -> http://pastebin.ca/282692 |
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| 20:22.37 | geo-rge | miraterre: it's the fastest way I know... |
| 20:22.45 | abrotman | then instaed of 'ssh' use 'openssh-server' |
| 20:22.57 | geo-rge | keeping old .o files around doesn't help for the kernel |
| 20:23.16 | JB[away] | same error @ abrotman |
| 20:23.29 | miraterre | ok, thanks - will flag you down again in 10 minutes if things don't work :) |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install ssh openssh-server |
| 20:23.51 | abrotman | if that doesn't work .. paste the error again (with the command at the top) |
| 20:23.52 | geo-rge | miraterre: come back after reboot and tell us how it went |
| 20:23.56 | geo-rge | either way |
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| 20:24.28 | displaced | yeah i want to see this one |
| 20:24.48 | miraterre | lol, will do |
| 20:25.01 | RvGaTe | How can i enable the writing of the é with a shortcut... something like right-alt+e, or left-alt+numpad-130... i cant even write my own name without going ot the character map :P |
| 20:25.18 | JB[away] | abrotman -> http://pastebin.ca/282699 |
| 20:25.21 | blahdeblah_ | Does bind9 on etch have built-in chroot support? |
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| 20:26.21 | tempest2k4 | whats best way to backup raid 0 filesystems in debian ? |
| 20:26.24 | abrotman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite --force-confmiss" install ssh openssh-server |
| 20:26.38 | blahdeblah_ | tempest2k4: Depends what data is on them and where you want to back it up to... |
| 20:26.40 | abrotman | have you modified your sshd_config specially ? |
| 20:26.43 | abrotman | JB[away]: ? |
| 20:26.46 | rahul | tempest2k4: same as any other FS. dump/restore is often good. |
| 20:27.06 | blahdeblah_ | tempest2k4: or rsync if you want it on another machine |
| 20:27.07 | JB[away] | sshd_config? no it is a nacked sarge install |
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| 20:27.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:27.22 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 20:27.35 | JB[away] | http://pastebin.ca/282701 -> new error @ abrotman |
| 20:27.35 | abrotman | JB[away]: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite --force-confmiss" install ssh openssh-server ... try that |
| 20:27.36 | geo-rge | tempest2k4: by starting with a solid backup -plan- |
| 20:27.49 | blahdeblah_ | tempest2k4: geo-rge is right. |
| 20:27.57 | JB[away] | abrotman see paste |
| 20:28.01 | abrotman | JB[away]: i see |
| 20:28.13 | abrotman | JB[away]: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite --force-confmiss" --reinstall install ssh openssh-server ... try that |
| 20:28.44 | geo-rge | the plan will tell you the way |
| 20:28.52 | JB[away] | http://pastebin.ca/282704 |
| 20:28.57 | tempest2k4 | thats what im trying to come up with :) |
| 20:29.12 | geo-rge | you might acutally have to -gazp- buy hardware! |
| 20:29.18 | blahdeblah_ | Maybe i should ask my bind question differently: what is the "approved", "official", or "easy to administer" way to chroot bind9 on etch? |
| 20:29.49 | JB[away] | abrotman have see the paste? |
| 20:29.51 | RvGaTe | What package do i need to get a Dutch spell checker for Evolution Mail |
| 20:29.57 | hanger | i am having trouble getting my broadcom netxtreme card working |
| 20:29.59 | abrotman | JB[away]: take out the --force-overwrite .. leave the other in |
| 20:30.32 | hanger | i am unable to get an ip address using dhcp. I am using the tg3 driver that comes with the kernel |
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| 20:30.48 | JB[away] | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install ssh openssh-server |
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| 20:30.52 | JB[away] | so @ abrotman ? |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | sure |
| 20:31.16 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: which kernel version? |
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| 20:31.30 | hanger | 2.6.17 |
| 20:31.33 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: and what is your hardware (be as exact as possible)? |
| 20:31.39 | JB[away] | http://pastebin.ca/282707 @ abrotman |
| 20:32.06 | hanger | in windows it shows as broadcom netxtreme 57xx controller |
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| 20:32.16 | blahdeblah_ | No, not your driver, your hardware. |
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| 20:32.30 | bkw | are there any image/thumbnail viewer that is suitable on a kde desktop, something like acdsee that exists in the apt-get pkg db? |
| 20:32.36 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: i.e. Which physical NIC or mobo is it on? |
| 20:32.48 | abrotman | JB[away]: moment |
| 20:32.57 | JB[away] | ok abrotman |
| 20:33.26 | hanger | i know its an onboard gigabit card |
| 20:33.34 | hanger | how do i check it? |
| 20:33.40 | blahdeblah_ | lspci -v |
| 20:33.40 | JordiGH | When a readme.txt (yes, .txt) says: "This program is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License" and later on says "IT MAY NOT BE REPRODUCED OR MODIFIED WITHOUT EXPLICIT CREDIT GIVEN TO THE AUTHOR," wtf does that mean? Which author? |
| 20:33.59 | rahul | JordiGH: THE author |
| 20:34.06 | hanger | i used the netinstall debian and it doesn't come with lspci |
| 20:34.08 | rahul | like THE Ohio State University |
| 20:34.15 | JordiGH | rahul: So if I grab it and modify it myself, I need to attach my name all over the place too? |
| 20:34.20 | rahul | heh |
| 20:34.24 | rahul | JordiGH: beats me :P |
| 20:34.29 | geo-rge | JordiGH: the GPL says such a software is not distributable |
| 20:34.57 | abrotman | JB[away]: touch /etc/default/ssh .. try it again |
| 20:34.58 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: aptitude install pciutils |
| 20:35.12 | geo-rge | but it also says that the GPL can't have additional restrictions |
| 20:35.35 | blahdeblah_ | geo-rge: No, what JordiGH quoted is an attribution clause, which is required by the GPL. |
| 20:35.38 | geo-rge | so it's a conflict, which probably means it's not distributable |
| 20:35.45 | JB[away] | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install ssh openssh-server |
| 20:35.47 | JB[away] | this ? |
| 20:36.06 | geo-rge | blahdeblah_: oh, ok |
| 20:36.10 | JB[away] | abrotman: ? |
| 20:36.15 | blahdeblah_ | that text is just stating in another way the requirements of the GPL |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | JB[away]: did you touch the file ? |
| 20:36.33 | JB[away] | yes |
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| 20:36.46 | JordiGH | Yikes. Maybe I should ask debian-legal. :-/ |
| 20:36.47 | abrotman | yes .. try the command again |
| 20:36.48 | geo-rge | !fr |
| 20:36.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:36.57 | bouriquet | ^^ JordiGH |
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| 20:37.22 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 20:37.29 | olskolirc | ? |
| 20:37.33 | JB[away] | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/282716 :) |
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| 20:37.42 | geo-rge | # |
| 20:37.52 | blahdeblah_ | JordiGH: Some people decide on whether to add their name to the authors list by how much creativity they use in changing the code - i.e. if it's just simple little patches they don't bother, but if it's important new features they do. |
| 20:38.00 | abrotman | JB[away]: cat /etc/default/ssh .. does anything come out ? |
| 20:38.32 | JB[away] | abrotman: no |
| 20:38.51 | abrotman | JB[away]: apt-get --reinstall install openssh-server .. then check that file again |
| 20:39.04 | JordiGH | blahdeblah_: Does the GPL require that every source file says it's GPLed? These source files say "refer to the readme[.txt] file" and the readme.txt file says "this is GPLed" with no version specified, so that means you can apply any version. I really think I should be asking the experts, though. :-/ |
| 20:39.30 | JB[away] | abrotman: reinstall but file is empty |
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| 20:39.36 | Inf3rn0 | How do I create a new user? |
| 20:39.46 | geo-rge | debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 20:39.59 | geo-rge | Inf3rn0: man adduser |
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| 20:40.09 | abrotman | JB[away]: try .. apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install openssh-server |
| 20:40.11 | JordiGH | Inf3rn0: adduser. I also use kuser. :-) |
| 20:40.13 | olskolirc | i looked everywhere and can't find a copy of macintosh os x or leapord |
| 20:40.16 | olskolirc | isn't it free? |
| 20:40.19 | olskolirc | like linux? |
| 20:40.27 | abrotman | oldsparky: wrong channel |
| 20:40.29 | geo-rge | nope |
| 20:40.32 | JordiGH | olskolirc: Its kernel, Darwin, is free. The OS isn't. |
| 20:40.33 | pumpkin0 | olskolirc: big suprise: no. |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:40.41 | abrotman | olskolirc: don't ask us |
| 20:40.49 | olskolirc | ohhh ok |
| 20:40.56 | JB[away] | abrotman: empty |
| 20:41.05 | JordiGH | I guess you could run Debian with a Darwin kernel... that would be odd, though. |
| 20:41.08 | olskolirc | it runs on a freebsd terminal right? |
| 20:41.10 | blahdeblah_ | JordiGH: In my understanding, the GPL requires every source file to have a notice. |
| 20:41.13 | olskolirc | do i have that much right |
| 20:41.27 | olskolirc | if it does, then i can just download freebsd and check that out |
| 20:41.27 | abrotman | JB[away]: mv /etc/default/ssh /etc/default/ssh.mv && apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install openssh-server && cat /etc/default/ssh |
| 20:41.31 | JB[away] | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/282722 |
| 20:41.36 | magyar | is there a grafical interface to "fortune"? |
| 20:41.43 | blahdeblah_ | JordiGH: But you should ask an expert. (Or just add it to every file anyway.) |
| 20:42.06 | abrotman | graphical |
| 20:42.06 | pumpkin0 | olskolirc: it is a BSD-based thing. But it is miles from freebsd. and now hop over to #freebsd |
| 20:42.07 | Inf3rn0 | Do I have to give the user acces to SSH or is that default? |
| 20:42.07 | JordiGH | olskolirc: We're being offtopic. MacOS is based on BSD code, but which one specifically if any at all, I don't know. |
| 20:42.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: so why would you do that ? |
| 20:42.26 | JordiGH | magyar: There is Wanda the GNOMEfish.. |
| 20:42.29 | JB[away] | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/282723 |
| 20:42.30 | JordiGH | abrotman: Because we can? |
| 20:42.35 | olskolirc | ok JordiGH |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: you should know better |
| 20:43.04 | abrotman | JB[away]: seems all good now |
| 20:43.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: Maybe on a PPC architecture the Darwin kernel makes sense? |
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| 20:43.18 | JB[away] | now it is update to etch? |
| 20:43.20 | magyar | JordiGH: what about kde? |
| 20:43.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: this is #debian .. |
| 20:43.35 | slept | i want to find out how my whole system works togther, i mean all the samll peaces , kernel image, libs and so on but i dont really know what to google for... I mean i want get a better understanding how all the things fit together |
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| 20:43.39 | chantra | hi, i'm having something weird going on with my apache server |
| 20:43.54 | lindenl1 | i have funny fonts interminal |
| 20:44.13 | chantra | some client, connecting from a dial-up connection (at least it seems) are taking about 50 connections at the same time |
| 20:44.25 | JordiGH | slept: How about reading How Linux Works? |
| 20:44.30 | chantra | those connections simply keep opened |
| 20:44.30 | JordiGH | slept: It's treeware. |
| 20:44.52 | hanger | blahdeblah_: lscpci -v shows the Ethernet controller as: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5754 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express |
| 20:44.59 | abrotman | !tell slept about grounding |
| 20:45.02 | chantra | stracing one of those pid, it keep on a lock |
| 20:45.09 | chantra | flock(32, LOCK_EX |
| 20:45.11 | hanger | blahdeblah_: there is also an IEEE 1394 Firewire |
| 20:45.23 | lindenl1 | nevermind might be locale problem |
| 20:45.27 | JordiGH | magyar: I don't think there is something for KDE, unfortunately... I'm looking at the KDE applets, but I don't see one for getting fortune cookies. |
| 20:45.52 | abrotman | JB[away]: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 20:46.20 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: How new is your mobo? |
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| 20:46.39 | slept | what is treeware ? |
| 20:46.46 | JordiGH | slept: Books. |
| 20:46.50 | hanger | its a dell precision 390 .. .just got it |
| 20:46.51 | JordiGH | slept: print-only |
| 20:46.55 | JB[away] | abrotman i have do, i think only ssh was broken |
| 20:47.01 | blahdeblah_ | I've seen some onboard gigabit cards that don't like particular versions of the broadcom driver, e.g. the BCM5703X on an Acer R300. |
| 20:47.03 | cr3 | what's the proper way of restarting services under /etc/init.d? on redhat, I would use the service command. is there a similar command I should be running on debian? |
| 20:47.10 | slept | ah ok thanks |
| 20:47.14 | geo-rge | slept: boats... speaker cabs... yaknow, wood stuff |
| 20:47.23 | abrotman | JB[away]: okay |
| 20:47.25 | pumpkin0 | cr3: "/etc/init.d/service restart" |
| 20:47.35 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: The first thing i would do is see if there are any upgrades to the b57 driver in newer kernels. |
| 20:47.42 | slept | geo-rge, what ? |
| 20:47.43 | hanger | i tried installing the broadcom driver: bcm5700 ... but that doesn't even seem to show my eth devices |
| 20:48.03 | hanger | ok |
| 20:48.09 | cr3 | pumpkin0: ok, I thought I should perhaps use update-rc.d, but that's only for symlinks and stuff |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | my 59xx works with tg3 |
| 20:48.20 | kombi | to re-assemble a raid partition when devices are properly listed in mdadm.conf, do I just mdadm --assemble? |
| 20:48.23 | Inf3rn0 | How do I give a user root priviliges? |
| 20:48.33 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: you don't. |
| 20:48.40 | Inf3rn0 | I must! |
| 20:48.41 | Inf3rn0 | -.- |
| 20:48.42 | hanger | i am able to get the interface up ... but when i run dhclient ... it doesn't seem to get the ip |
| 20:48.45 | lindenl1 | how does one change default locale |
| 20:48.45 | kombi | Inf3rn0: modconf -g root user |
| 20:48.52 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:48.57 | JordiGH | Inf3rn0: What are you trying to do? You could use sudo. |
| 20:49.09 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: you don't want that driver - everything that Broadcom do has been merged into standard kernel sources. Just look for a kernel upgrade. |
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| 20:49.31 | kombi | anyone on mdadm use in combat? |
| 20:49.36 | pumpkin0 | hanger: can you upload the output of "ifconfig" and "mii-tool" into a pastebin ? |
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| 20:49.59 | kombi | what's mii-tool? |
| 20:50.06 | blahdeblah_ | kombi: I haven't found mdadm useful for killing anything :-) |
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| 20:50.16 | kombi | blahdeblah: lol |
| 20:50.36 | kombi | ..the ak47 of raid mingling..;) |
| 20:50.47 | blahdeblah_ | kombi: Please state the nature of the RAID emergency. ;-) |
| 20:50.48 | JordiGH | Ooh, neato. debian-el colourises my sources.list file. :-) |
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| 20:50.54 | JordiGH | I wish I had known about it earlier. |
| 20:50.55 | pumpkin0 | kombi: tool for checking network-cons on the low-level (link, no-link, linkspeed...) |
| 20:50.59 | portclyde | I'm having trouble getting an lvm2 volume group recognized from within an initrd; can anyone help? |
| 20:51.04 | hanger | ifconfig output looks normal ... infact i even see my interface receiving/transmitting packets |
| 20:51.26 | jovans | what is linux_sound-base_noOSS ? |
| 20:51.36 | jovans | andy they all blacklisted? |
| 20:51.38 | kombi | blahdeblah: two disks, 5 partitions, 1 ok, rest faulty. I guess it just takes re-assembling but it scares the shit out of me.. |
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| 20:51.47 | kombi | pumpkin0: thanks! |
| 20:51.50 | pumpkin0 | hanger: set the IP by hand: "ifconfig ethX IP X.X.X.X" |
| 20:51.54 | lindenl1 | abrotman: thanks fixed |
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| 20:51.58 | zerve_the_death | I got WinTV NOVA-T-USB2. Any idea how to configure it? (using 2.6.18-3 unstable) |
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| 20:52.26 | blahdeblah_ | kombi: mdadm --manage --add /dev/mdX /dev/partition_of_hard_disk_you_want_to_add |
| 20:52.33 | kombi | pumpkin0: don't forget the 'up'.. |
| 20:52.55 | blahdeblah_ | pumpkin0: And adding the correct netmask is usually a good idea, too. |
| 20:52.57 | geo-rge | slept: treeware |
| 20:52.57 | pumpkin0 | kombi: if it is already transmiting data ?? |
| 20:53.01 | zinx | !ops Miss-tURk[off]!n=_TugChe_@85.107.171.252 <- free porno video spammer |
| 20:53.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: Miss-tURk[off]!n=_TugChe_@85.107.171.252 <- free porno video spammer |
| 20:53.02 | shaman47 | irgjfgiodsfgjisdogijsdfgsodfgijsdfigosdfgijsdfgiosdfgijsdofgsijdfgsidfogsidfgjsidfogsfidgjsidfgodsgfijsdfgisdofisdfgjsidfogsdjgsodgijsdgfosdfigjsdfigosdfigjsdfigosdifgjsidfgosdfigjsidfogsdfigsjfdgsidfogsdfigjsdifgosdifgjsdfigosdfgijsdfigosfdgijsdifgosdfigjsidfogsfdigjsdfigodsfgisjdfigosdfigjsdfigodsfigjsifdogsdfigjsfidgosdfgijsdfigosdfigjsdfigosdfgijsdfgisodfgisdfjgsidfgosdfigjsdfigosdfgijsdfigosdfigjsidfogsdfigjsidfogsdfigjsidfogisdjfgisodfigjsidfogsjdf |
| 20:53.04 | kombi | blahdeblah: is that (shudder) save to do? |
| 20:53.07 | shaman47 | ';,.;/',;//;,./',./;,'/;,'./;,.'/;,./ |
| 20:53.12 | shaman47 | uigfdsuhg uigpeyt3847yt4ty 87oyo8gtregreire |
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| 20:53.19 | shaman47 | io fjdgosddfs90u48435u78954 453 453 458349537485 345uigjgfsfdgffgs |
| 20:53.19 | kombi | ban him, quick.. |
| 20:53.27 | shaman47 | nmnmnmnmnmikfht odftphokdghpd gfhokdfgh dfgkhdfg hkdfghpkdfghkod |
| 20:53.34 | shaman47 | [;]'[;'][;'];['];'[;'];['];'[;]'[;'];'[;]'[;'];['];'[;]';['];'[;]';[']; |
| 20:53.38 | pumpkin0 | kombi: /ignore is a blissful thing. |
| 20:53.39 | hanger | wtf |
| 20:53.40 | shaman47 | GET UBUNTU |
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| 20:53.51 | zinx | now the other one :( |
| 20:53.56 | zinx | ah, nevermind |
| 20:54.00 | RichiH | arr! |
| 20:54.01 | tarzeau | i feel the weekend |
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| 20:54.19 | blahdeblah_ | kombi: It's usually safe - as long as you understand your disk layout |
| 20:54.24 | blahdeblah_ | RichiH: thanks. |
| 20:54.27 | Inf3rn0 | Everything in one certain folder I have is chmoded to 777. A program still gets permission denied when trying to read them... |
| 20:54.41 | RichiH | np |
| 20:54.53 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 20:54.53 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:54.54 | hanger | it gives a Host name lookup failure |
| 20:54.56 | kombi | thanks RichiH |
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| 20:55.18 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: can root read it ? |
| 20:55.23 | Inf3rn0 | Yes |
| 20:55.23 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: what does? |
| 20:55.27 | kombi | blahdeblah: I should be ok then, still scary.. |
| 20:55.28 | pumpkin0 | hanger: set the dns-server too. |
| 20:55.42 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: is the file opened by somebody else ? |
| 20:55.45 | Inf3rn0 | No |
| 20:56.30 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: anything very special in "mount" ? |
| 20:56.37 | Inf3rn0 | Nope |
| 20:56.47 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: can you cp it ? |
| 20:56.54 | Inf3rn0 | I'll check |
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| 20:57.03 | zerve_the_death | Inf3rn0, is it fat32 or NTFS? |
| 20:57.20 | Inf3rn0 | Neither |
| 20:57.29 | Bracki | where can i find some info on how to setting up wlan/pcmcia with sarge? |
| 20:57.43 | Inf3rn0 | Ues, I can cp it |
| 20:57.53 | Inf3rn0 | *Yes |
| 20:58.01 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: can you open the copy ? |
| 20:58.14 | Inf3rn0 | Yep |
| 20:58.17 | blahdeblah_ | kombi: As long as you've got a good mental (or physical!) picture of your disk layout, you shouldn't have anything to fear. mdadm will stop a lot of basic problems. |
| 20:58.34 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: check "lsof | grep filename". anything ? |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | Bracki: stick the card in .. does it get recognized ? |
| 20:58.58 | Inf3rn0 | services 8199 root mem REG 3,65 131448 7766029 /root/services_1.7.17/modules/runtime/unreal32.so.9D9foq |
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| 20:59.17 | hanger | i can set ip using: ifconfig eth1 <ip_addr> |
| 20:59.21 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: see ? something is using the file. |
| 20:59.29 | Inf3rn0 | -.- |
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| 21:00.13 | blahdeblah_ | hanger: And does it actually work? i.e. can you ping another host on the LAN by IP? |
| 21:00.30 | Inf3rn0 | Thats not the correct file. Justo ne with the same filename in a different directory... |
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| 21:00.47 | geo-rge | <>.<> |
| 21:00.52 | miraterre | works! |
| 21:00.58 | hanger | nope :( |
| 21:01.05 | miraterre | thanks guys! |
| 21:01.06 | JordiGH | miraterre: Woohoo! What does? |
| 21:01.16 | geo-rge | miraterre: first time, huh? |
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| 21:01.48 | miraterre | yeah, first time with a kernel upgrade, and surely the first time I've done the recompile properly :) |
| 21:02.15 | geo-rge | there must be a way to shorten the part where we obtained the config file |
| 21:02.22 | Bracki | hm |
| 21:02.26 | miraterre | jordiGH the new kernel is running and so far there's some improvement (closing the lid does not crash the system) |
| 21:02.39 | Bracki | abrotman: no "negative" beep |
| 21:02.45 | abrotman | positive beep ? |
| 21:02.49 | JordiGH | miraterre: Yes! |
| 21:02.51 | Inf3rn0 | pumpkin0: Did you see? |
| 21:02.58 | abrotman | Bracki: dmesg say anything ? |
| 21:03.00 | pumpkin0 | Inf3rn0: yes... |
| 21:03.08 | geo-rge | very good... now what else did you want? |
| 21:03.09 | Guerin | miraterre: suspend2? |
| 21:03.17 | Inf3rn0 | And every file created by the program becomes inaccessible too |
| 21:03.33 | Bracki | oh i thought at runtime.. |
| 21:03.35 | Guerin | miraterre: you're wasting your time if you rebuilt a kernel for a laptop without using suspend2 |
| 21:03.38 | JordiGH | That reminds me that a kernel switch from 2.4 to 2.6 had, as far as I can tell, the net effect that my box wouldn't turn power off anymore with a halt. |
| 21:03.57 | geo-rge | Guerin: whats that |
| 21:04.13 | Guerin | !suspend2 |
| 21:04.13 | dpkg | methinks suspend2 is known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
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| 21:04.31 | JordiGH | piece! |
| 21:04.37 | geo-rge | peace! |
| 21:04.42 | Guerin | pees |
| 21:04.43 | JordiGH | Although I suppose working software promotes world peace... |
| 21:04.45 | RichiH | peas |
| 21:04.50 | geo-rge | bees |
| 21:04.52 | robin_sz | mmm pie! |
| 21:04.58 | kombi | blahdeblah: It's a bit of mental strength required there too..;) so far it looks good though, the partition is nicely recovering (watch cat /proc/mdstat) |
| 21:05.07 | geo-rge | peapeebeepie? |
| 21:05.09 | JordiGH | pees and peas aren't synonyms for me. The final s is voiced in my accent. |
| 21:05.31 | miraterre | the regular suspend seems ok, but is unbelievably slow to resume - 2 minutes |
| 21:05.31 | Guerin | JordiGH: you mean homophones. |
| 21:05.54 | pipeline | so peas and peace sound the same? I think that's a lisp, not an accent :D |
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| 21:06.02 | JordiGH | Guerin: Yeah, I did. I write A, I say B, I think C, but it should be D. |
| 21:06.04 | miraterre | so I should try suspend2? or is this a hibernate? I guess at 2 minutes it doesn't matter :) |
| 21:06.04 | robin_sz | ok, so every time I start gnome, I get 3 xterms, 2 folders and a copy of Openoffice starting up that I dont need ... where oh where are these thins sent to annoy me? |
| 21:06.11 | blondie | peas and peace certainly do not sound the same |
| 21:06.11 | Guerin | miraterre: yes. Suspend2 is the win. The 2.2.9 patch for 2.6.19-rc6 applies cleanly to kernel.org 2.6.19.1 kernel and works fabulously |
| 21:06.21 | blondie | piece is the same as peace |
| 21:06.25 | RvGaTe | Whats that editor called: "nice" " nite" something like that... really simple collored eitor |
| 21:06.26 | abrotman | blondie: i think it depends on where you're from ? |
| 21:06.27 | blondie | and peas is like peez |
| 21:06.33 | miraterre | 2.6.19? lol, I just upgraded to .18 :( |
| 21:06.42 | blondie | abrotman: well I'm from england so know how english should sound :P |
| 21:06.46 | JordiGH | blondie: My accent matches yours on this. |
| 21:06.57 | abrotman | blondie: sure .. if you say so |
| 21:06.58 | Inf3rn0 | How can I give a user full access to the harddrive then? Nomatter what.. Same access as root |
| 21:07.02 | geo-rge | miraterre: well you can look into suspend2, yes? :) |
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| 21:07.11 | Guerin | miraterre: well, there's no debian package or patch, so you need to build your own, and when you build your own you might as well build something recent. |
| 21:07.12 | blondie | Inf3rn0: you don't |
| 21:07.14 | JordiGH | Inf3rn0: No, there's no reason why you should do that. |
| 21:07.17 | blondie | Inf3rn0: unless they are root. |
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| 21:07.24 | Guerin | hell, it might even work with a debian kernel source, I just didn't try. |
| 21:07.30 | blondie | same access as root = root |
| 21:07.32 | Inf3rn0 | To a certain directory then? |
| 21:07.40 | JordiGH | Inf3rn0: Debian isn't Windows... Give us the full story on why you're getting access troubles. |
| 21:07.42 | Guerin | !wayttd Inf3rn0 |
| 21:07.42 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Inf3rn0? |
| 21:07.59 | miraterre | anyway, what I really want is the buttons to work so I can use an external monitor and change brightness, I found a hotkeys program but could never get it working - will try again soon |
| 21:08.02 | Inf3rn0 | Get rid of "permission denied" |
| 21:08.10 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: you can't. |
| 21:08.12 | JordiGH | Inf3rn0: That's not the full story. |
| 21:08.19 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0, just ive them root |
| 21:08.19 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: now, state a more modest goal./ |
| 21:08.21 | hanger | i booted in windows to check what ip i was getting and i set the same in linux and i can now ping the gateway |
| 21:09.02 | Inf3rn0 | Can I make a user (other than root) root? |
| 21:09.02 | kombi | weired, I'm using ircle for the first time and it takes a real long time until stuff appears.. should I switch back to epic..? |
| 21:09.02 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: NO. |
| 21:09.03 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0, let them installthe box themselves and set it up, then thye will be root anyway |
| 21:09.03 | JordiGH | Inf3rn0: No. Now tell us what you're trying to do. |
| 21:09.08 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: if you want them ti be roiot, just give them the fucking root passwrd. |
| 21:09.12 | Inf3rn0 | Set up Denora |
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| 21:09.17 | Inf3rn0 | Wich won't run as root |
| 21:09.17 | Guerin | !denora |
| 21:09.26 | Guerin | wtf is denora? |
| 21:09.29 | Inf3rn0 | xD |
| 21:09.31 | Inf3rn0 | 'IRC servie |
| 21:09.34 | Inf3rn0 | *service |
| 21:09.38 | JordiGH | It's not in Debian. |
| 21:09.50 | JordiGH | Is it free? |
| 21:09.53 | Guerin | god ... why is it the most fucktarded people always want to run dangerous software like ircds |
| 21:09.54 | Inf3rn0 | Its based of Anope |
| 21:10.14 | Inf3rn0 | Good day to you too, Guerin |
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| 21:10.45 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: ok, you need to learn about privilege separation. |
| 21:10.59 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: what specific actions are giving your permission denied? |
| 21:11.07 | Inf3rn0 | Read |
| 21:11.22 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: that is not a complete answer |
| 21:11.30 | Guerin | i exhort you to reply in actual sentences |
| 21:11.30 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0, why do you think it wont tun as root? I'll tell you why, its to save you from doin somehting stupid .. ircd's do not ever need access to the entire fs. ever. |
| 21:11.43 | geo-rge | it's starting to look to me like files dropped into that folder get opened by somethinb |
| 21:12.03 | Inf3rn0 | I start Denora, it tries to read some files, "Permission denied" |
| 21:12.08 | JordiGH | Guerin: I'm annoyed too, but let's be patient. |
| 21:12.16 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: but does it work? |
| 21:12.20 | Inf3rn0 | No |
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| 21:12.22 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: and WHICH files ffs? |
| 21:12.30 | Inf3rn0 | I wouldn't be here if it worked |
| 21:12.31 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0, but which files does it try to read |
| 21:12.46 | miraterre | anyway thanks again guys! gotta run |
| 21:12.53 | Inf3rn0 | /root/stats/denora/something/unrealsomething.so |
| 21:12.57 | geo-rge | miraterre: later |
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| 21:13.15 | robin_sz | why are you runing it from roots home dir? |
| 21:13.28 | Inf3rn0 | So I should move it ? :P |
| 21:13.31 | robin_sz | YES |
| 21:13.38 | displaced | gets better by the sec |
| 21:13.47 | Guerin | and why the fuck are .so files in there |
| 21:13.58 | displaced | he downloaded it and installed it as root |
| 21:13.58 | Inf3rn0 | Cus I put them there? |
| 21:14.03 | Inf3rn0 | Yes I did |
| 21:14.04 | Inf3rn0 | :p |
| 21:14.05 | robin_sz | tee he |
| 21:14.12 | robin_sz | you compiled it as root? |
| 21:14.16 | Inf3rn0 | Yes |
| 21:14.18 | displaced | brilliant |
| 21:14.21 | robin_sz | amazing |
| 21:14.32 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: i recommend you uninstall, and use one of the several excellent ircds in debian |
| 21:14.39 | pumpkin0 | and the box is still alive ... |
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| 21:14.49 | Inf3rn0 | I run Unreal |
| 21:14.58 | Inf3rn0 | And this is the statserv |
| 21:15.15 | Guerin | oh, ffs |
| 21:15.19 | Inf3rn0 | I tried Hybrid, but I didn't like it |
| 21:15.20 | displaced | in the root folder |
| 21:15.42 | Guerin | Inf3rn0: make a user called `ircd', and install and run the server as that user |
| 21:15.47 | displaced | i bet he's got /var/logs there too |
| 21:15.48 | robin_sz | well, at least its only a "fun" box, not anything important |
| 21:16.04 | geo-rge | the issue of which folder it's in doesn't matter as much if he has just a / partition... but that should be fixed too if so\ |
| 21:16.07 | Inf3rn0 | Got /var/log wherr? |
| 21:16.09 | Inf3rn0 | *where |
| 21:16.14 | Guerin | or better yet, get someone competent to set it up for you |
| 21:16.23 | robin_sz | in /root/var/logs ... ?? |
| 21:16.23 | Inf3rn0 | fu |
| 21:16.26 | Inf3rn0 | No |
| 21:16.33 | Bracki | abrotman: can i do the sticking in at runtime? which logfile do i need to look at? |
| 21:16.40 | displaced | where does you stat server store it's logs? |
| 21:16.55 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 21:16.58 | Bracki | !pcmcia |
| 21:16.59 | dpkg | PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
| 21:17.01 | Inf3rn0 | In /statsfolder/logs |
| 21:17.10 | Bracki | !orinoco |
| 21:17.10 | dpkg | i heard orinoco is a linux-supported wireless device |
| 21:17.12 | Guerin | wtf |
| 21:17.32 | Inf3rn0 | Yes.. óne device |
| 21:17.35 | Inf3rn0 | :p |
| 21:17.37 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0, you have a /stats directory? |
| 21:17.38 | abrotman | Bracki: /msg the bot .. and don't forget to load those drivers before you stick the card in |
| 21:17.51 | Inf3rn0 | Wherein I have the stats service program maby? |
| 21:18.05 | |Ads| | anyone can suggest me a good firewall interface for debian? |
| 21:18.10 | robin_sz | ummm ... in / ... the bottom of the file system? |
| 21:18.17 | Inf3rn0 | Yes. |
| 21:18.20 | robin_sz | OK, |
| 21:18.26 | robin_sz | now .. heres what you need to do |
| 21:18.26 | Guerin | |Ads|: firehol, shorewall |
| 21:18.28 | displaced | bang, no space |
| 21:18.44 | robin_sz | reinstall debian and try again |
| 21:19.06 | |Ads| | thanks Guerin, i will try shorewall :d |
| 21:19.12 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0, never, ever create new dirs in / |
| 21:19.32 | |Ads| | robin_sz why? I have al my server files at / |
| 21:19.42 | Guerin | |Ads|: why would you? |
| 21:19.50 | |Ads| | I have it more "at hand" |
| 21:19.56 | JordiGH | robin_sz: I guess Inf3rn0 could backtrace the Makefiles and see what got installed where... |
| 21:19.58 | |Ads| | simply cd /serverfile |
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| 21:20.10 | Guerin | go and read about the reasoning behind the filesystem hierarchy |
| 21:20.14 | robin_sz | fuck me sideways ... theyre breeding! |
| 21:20.18 | Guerin | it's simple, but fragile |
| 21:20.49 | JordiGH | Guerin: I have /usb, where my pendrive gets mounted. I'm too lazy to type /media/proc/usb/partition1 or whatever. :-) |
| 21:20.50 | robin_sz | JohnDoh, /mnt/pen |
| 21:21.02 | JordiGH | robin_sz: That's two more tab completions than I'm willing to type. |
| 21:21.19 | geo-rge | |Ads|: so now you want a second thing "at hand", so where do you put that? |
| 21:21.39 | geo-rge | |Ads|: so now you want about fifteen things "at hand", so where do you put that? |
| 21:21.39 | |Ads| | at /seconthing :p |
| 21:21.40 | Guerin | geo-rge: in /omg |
| 21:21.44 | Guerin | or /lol |
| 21:22.00 | robin_sz | I swear they are breeding! |
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| 21:22.20 | |Ads| | O_o |
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| 21:22.25 | geo-rge | |Ads|: reason I bring this up... is to suggest you might read the FHS document |
| 21:22.29 | robin_sz | Guerin, I have a theory .... you know how they say "there is one born every minute" ? |
| 21:22.44 | Guerin | robin_sz: it's been accelerating ever since they said that |
| 21:22.51 | Guerin | i think it's up to one every 45 seconds now |
| 21:23.13 | unlink | i'm getting a 404 on Packages on unstable for ftp.us.debian.org / ftp.debian.org on powerpc |
| 21:23.21 | robin_sz | Guerin, well, I reckon that sometimes, there is a gap, and there isn't one born for liek 20 minutes or so, and they have to send along a really special one to keep the avergaes right |
| 21:23.23 | Guerin | unlink: aptitude update |
| 21:23.29 | Guerin | robin_sz: haha |
| 21:23.42 | unlink | Guerin: that's what happens when i type apt-get update. |
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| 21:23.58 | Guerin | unlink: change mirrors - /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 21:25.43 | robin_sz | perhaps we should create "twat proof debian" ... when it installs it doesnt give you a chance to set root password, and only gives you sudo for apt-get and aptitude? |
| 21:26.36 | JordiGH | robin_sz: Shut up. :P |
| 21:26.42 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: i think that one is called knoppix. |
| 21:26.50 | blondie | ubuntu |
| 21:28.08 | unlink | ah, it's my own damn fault. ftp.us.debian.org doesn't even have powerpc. |
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| 21:28.24 | geo-rge | Debian... no twats allowed! |
| 21:28.28 | geo-rge | wow!! |
| 21:28.31 | unlink | i was just confused, because i thought primary mirrors had all arch's |
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| 21:29.36 | geo-rge | if that's not the case, are there separate mirror lists per arch? |
| 21:29.53 | PerfDave | I'm trying to dist-upgrade a Sarge box to Etch, following http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html but "aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade" ends up with conflicts that it can't resolve. How can I find out what the offending packages are? |
| 21:29.54 | JordiGH | Wow. debian.osuosl.org seems to have no non-free and contrib directories for unstable. Is that right, or is something wonky on my side of teh interewebs? |
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| 21:30.00 | Wamty | i need command that make me know what folders in my server have 777 Permission |
| 21:30.06 | PerfDave | Wamty: find |
| 21:30.13 | abrotman | JordiGH: they're allowed .. check debian.org/mirrors .. it'll say |
| 21:30.16 | JordiGH | PerfDave: From the ncurses interface? |
| 21:30.38 | PerfDave | JordiGH: no, the command-line interface |
| 21:30.51 | Wamty | perfDave: ? |
| 21:31.09 | PerfDave | Wamty: The command "find" can be used to find folders with 777 permission. |
| 21:31.11 | geo-rge | Wamty: man find |
| 21:31.15 | JordiGH | PerfDave: No, I'm suggesting a tentative solution. Go to the ncurses interface. Mark all upgradables and then upgrade. It'll bring up the conflict resolution system. Use it. |
| 21:31.28 | geo-rge | or better, info find |
| 21:31.38 | PerfDave | JordiGH: How do I do that? I've not used aptitude before, I'm just running the command listed in the upgrade procedure. |
| 21:32.10 | JordiGH | PerfDave: There are some good HTML docs. It's rather intuitive for the most part except for a few key combos. |
| 21:33.07 | JordiGH | PerfDave: One thing you might want to do is to use shift-s and/or shift-g for changing how it displays and sort packages. That one took a while for me to find. |
| 21:33.11 | PerfDave | JordiGH: Where are these HTML docs? They're not in /usr/share/doc/aptitude/ |
| 21:33.17 | JordiGH | aptitude-doc |
| 21:33.41 | JordiGH | aptitude-doc-en, rather |
| 21:34.35 | PerfDave | JordiGH: I'll fire up w3m, cheers |
| 21:35.00 | RvGaTe | How would i mount a smb share to /mnt/computer1/share1/ ? |
| 21:35.05 | JordiGH | You can suggest fixes instead of the ones that aptitude generates. It's mostly stuff like "yeah, definitely install that, no, don't upgrade that, yes, remove that one." |
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| 21:35.57 | PerfDave | JordiGH: I must say I'm not impressed by it removing my only kernel |
| 21:36.13 | JordiGH | PerfDave: No kernel on your hard drive right now? |
| 21:36.32 | PerfDave | JordiGH: No Debian-packaged one. Fortunately I had a non-Debian-packaged one lying around. |
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| 21:37.19 | [[762]] | hello |
| 21:37.22 | RvGaTe | How would i mount a smb share to /mnt/computer1/share1/ ? |
| 21:37.23 | [[762]] | oops |
| 21:37.27 | JordiGH | PerfDave: That is rather unfortunate. :-/ |
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| 21:39.55 | rvsjoen | RvGaTe: did you try ? |
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| 21:40.34 | RvGaTe | rvsjoen, im sorry im really in a hurry |
| 21:41.09 | PerfDave | JordiGH: It's a bit unfortunate that a text-mode application requires a GUI browser to read its documentation. |
| 21:41.45 | rvsjoen | mount -t smbfs -o username=foo,password=bar //remotehost/share /mnt/mountpoint |
| 21:42.18 | Bracki | how can i bind pcmcia network cards to eth0,eth1 etc.? |
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| 21:42.28 | PerfDave | Bracki: ifrename |
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| 21:42.50 | kozlowm4 | heloo |
| 21:42.59 | kozlowm4 | here itis my first time |
| 21:43.07 | kozlowm4 | helo |
| 21:43.15 | kozlowm4 | help me |
| 21:43.23 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Well... the images in the aptitude html docs aren't essential. :-/ |
| 21:43.24 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 21:43.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:43.40 | PerfDave | kozlowm4: Please tell us what problem you're having, in one line. |
| 21:43.46 | kozlowm4 | oki thx |
| 21:44.31 | kozlowm4 | i come from poland my english its not good |
| 21:44.33 | kozlowm4 | oki |
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| 21:44.56 | kozlowm4 | today im first time install debian on my computer |
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| 21:46.08 | Guerin | kozlowm4: what's the problem? |
| 21:46.20 | pumpkin0 | !pl |
| 21:46.20 | dpkg | it has been said that pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 21:46.36 | pumpkin0 | if the english because to much of a problem ^^^ |
| 21:46.43 | JordiGH | Tomek is also from Poland: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/anavabi/mp3/MC%20Plus+%20-%20Algorhythms%20-%20T.O.M.E.K.mp3 |
| 21:46.46 | pumpkin0 | s/because/becomes |
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| 21:47.36 | lowstream | so anyone know of some scripts for irssi? |
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| 21:47.38 | blondie | pumpkin0: "too" |
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| 21:47.59 | herfer | what version of xorg is stable/recommended for Sarge ? |
| 21:48.02 | blondie | lowstream: #irssi, www.irssi.org |
| 21:48.02 | abrotman | #irssi maybe ? |
| 21:48.14 | blondie | herfer: none |
| 21:48.16 | lowstream | cool |
| 21:48.16 | pumpkin0 | herfer: no one. sarge is on xfree. |
| 21:48.23 | herfer | oh really |
| 21:48.25 | herfer | cool. |
| 21:48.30 | JordiGH | herfer: None. But RSN, you'l get etch and Xorg! |
| 21:48.32 | pumpkin0 | herfer: etch = xorg |
| 21:48.33 | herfer | so just apt-get install x-window-system ? |
| 21:48.40 | Bracki | PerfDave: is ifrename run automatically? |
| 21:48.48 | pumpkin0 | herfer: yes |
| 21:48.50 | geo-rge | you can get xorg for sarge from backports.org |
| 21:49.01 | herfer | i have no preference - xfree is fine. |
| 21:49.03 | PerfDave | geo-rge: I wouldn't recommend it though :) |
| 21:49.07 | PerfDave | Bracki: It should run automatically at boot, yes |
| 21:49.15 | geo-rge | why? |
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| 21:49.20 | geo-rge | worked for me :) |
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| 21:50.08 | PerfDave | geo-rge: Because I wouldn't advise installing any nonstandard packages if you can avoid doing so. |
| 21:50.22 | geo-rge | oh, hardliner :) |
| 21:50.26 | lowstream | Well my first night of linux was nice |
| 21:50.39 | geo-rge | then why bother having gcc? |
| 21:50.46 | PerfDave | geo-rge: What's hardline about trying to keep your system as simple and maintainable as possible? |
| 21:51.20 | CHodapp | lowstream hasn't fought the first boss yet |
| 21:51.31 | JordiGH | lowstream: You're lucky. The first night is painful for many. ;-) |
| 21:51.49 | lowstream | I learned all kind of things hehe |
| 21:51.51 | geo-rge | I can understand that it's easier to help people if they only have deb pkgs installed |
| 21:52.00 | lowstream | Cast helped alot |
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| 21:52.37 | bakfupai_ | hmm, which package provides mkinitrd? |
| 21:52.49 | geo-rge | initrd-tools? |
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| 21:53.07 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: http://packages.debian.org/ or apt-file will allow you to search package contents. |
| 21:53.10 | geo-rge | probably it's depended upon by kernel-package |
| 21:53.39 | unlink | is there any way to get the (Reading database... part of updating/installing/removing/etc to go faster? |
| 21:53.59 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Nice. Thanks. |
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| 21:54.04 | abrotman | faster machine! faster disks! |
| 21:54.07 | geo-rge | rewrite the data model?? :) |
| 21:54.19 | geo-rge | faster data representation |
| 21:54.22 | unlink | disk is fast, but it's an emulated machine |
| 21:54.29 | bakfupai_ | Okay, I have the 2.6.19.1 kernel? Is there a package for that? |
| 21:54.30 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Ack, ever tried reading the apt sources? I've never been able to understand it. :-( |
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| 21:55.10 | geo-rge | bakfupai_: maybe not |
| 21:55.34 | geo-rge | and maybe not coming so soon... first, etch tested and possibly released |
| 21:55.41 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Which version of Debian have you installed? |
| 21:55.52 | bakfupai_ | 3.1r4 (sarge) |
| 21:56.02 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Then you don't have 2.6.19.1, you have 2.6.8 |
| 21:56.07 | lowstream | So anyone know some other cool tools i should download |
| 21:56.18 | JordiGH | aptitude is testament that apt needs work. E.g. how aptitude completely threw out apt's conflict resolution algorithms and rewrote them from scratch... |
| 21:56.22 | geo-rge | depending on what he's done to this point |
| 21:56.27 | bakfupai_ | Compiled a custom kernel... Couldn't find any recent kernels through apt... |
| 21:56.37 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: How did you compile the kernel? |
| 21:56.43 | TheBlueWizard | JordiGH: you aren't the only one....I did take a look at apt, and I'm astounded by the complexity...I do wonder whether it would be maintainable :) |
| 21:56.54 | JordiGH | lowstream: I wouldn't call it a tool, but tfdsb seems to make xcruise obsolete! |
| 21:57.01 | JordiGH | !info tdfsb |
| 21:57.02 | geo-rge | probably with make and gcc +toolchain |
| 21:57.04 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: That's because you're running the stable version of Debian. It doesn't get any newer software, generally. |
| 21:57.09 | dpkg | tdfsb: (3D filesystem browser), section games, is optional. Version: 0.0.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 21:57.25 | lowstream | I love the .bashrc file hehe |
| 21:57.56 | lowstream | !info tdfsb |
| 21:57.59 | bakfupai_ | cd /usr/src/linux-VERSION ; make menuconfig ; make ; make modules ; make modules_install ; cp /path/to/bzImage /path/to/System.map /boot |
| 21:58.04 | dpkg | tdfsb: (3D filesystem browser), section games, is optional. Version: 0.0.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 21:58.15 | bkw | is via epia C7 supported in linux? |
| 21:58.26 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: OK, that's generally not a good idea on a Debian system. You can use make-kpkg to compile your kernel into a .deb which will sort out dependencies etc. for you. |
| 21:58.27 | bakfupai_ | except I renamed bzImage and System.map to *-VERSION |
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| 21:58.48 | geo-rge | lowstream: one tip I can offer... the more you know about bash, the more things you'll be able to do (the windowy stuff doesn't even scratch the surface) |
| 21:58.50 | tempest2k4 | can you change the nuimber of ramdisks the ramdisk driver makes , i dont need 16 and they would have to be tiny ? |
| 21:58.59 | tempest2k4 | number |
| 21:59.09 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: oh, okay. maybe i should follow some howto instead... |
| 21:59.21 | bakfupai_ | You have a link to a howto that is recent. |
| 21:59.26 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Install kernel-package and read the documentation? |
| 21:59.28 | geo-rge | tempest2k4: how much ram do you have? |
| 21:59.44 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Why are you compiling this kernel anyway? |
| 21:59.53 | |Ads| | Since the ip_tables, ipt_state, and/or ipt_multiport modules do not exist, KISS can not function. Firewall script aborted! < --- thats is kernel side? |
| 21:59.57 | lowstream | I used it to make long commands short like my aptitude install i made AI |
| 22:00.02 | bakfupai_ | We didn't get SATA hardware working correctly. |
| 22:00.03 | tempest2k4 | 4 GB |
| 22:00.24 | JordiGH | Saying that aptitude is AI is much too generous. :-) |
| 22:00.30 | geo-rge | tempest2k4: dude... you have plenty of ram :P |
| 22:00.35 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: OK. You might want to look at Etch, which will soon be the new stable release, which has a 2.6.18 kernel. Or there are unofficial Sarge installers with more recent kernels, I believe. |
| 22:00.38 | tempest2k4 | i want to make 1 2gb ram drive |
| 22:01.07 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: There are also probably backported kernel/linux-image packages for Sarge which would save you compiling your own. |
| 22:01.20 | geo-rge | I thought the ramdisks used for the initrd were removed during boot process |
| 22:01.42 | geo-rge | and after they had served their purpose |
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| 22:02.01 | lowstream | i also like how just about everything in linux has a shortcut hehe |
| 22:02.05 | bakfupai_ | That'd be great. How do I get access to those backports? Is it done by editing the sources.list? |
| 22:02.11 | tapple | dpkg: downgrade x.org |
| 22:02.16 | lowstream | ctrl r tab middle click i love it all |
| 22:02.22 | tempest2k4 | im getting "RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 256000K size 1024 blocksize2 at boot |
| 22:02.24 | geo-rge | bakfupai_: yes |
| 22:02.31 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: backports.org |
| 22:02.42 | JordiGH | lowstream: You sound like a potential Emacs customer. Step into the light, brother! |
| 22:02.42 | geo-rge | read that page, go from there |
| 22:02.48 | JordiGH | !info emacs |
| 22:02.50 | dpkg | emacs: (The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage)), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a+1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 22:02.51 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: But I'd consider Etch if I were you, it might be a better idea if you can live without security support for a few weeks. |
| 22:02.56 | JordiGH | !emacs |
| 22:02.57 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 22:03.03 | tempest2k4 | comfusing cause if it had created that many i would be out of ram for system but im not ? |
| 22:03.13 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: And you wouldn't get security support with packages from backports.org anyway... |
| 22:03.34 | lowstream | What do i sound like ? |
| 22:03.48 | geo-rge | tic-tic-tic-tic-tic |
| 22:03.52 | lowstream | Nothing usefull |
| 22:04.13 | JordiGH | lowstream: You will like Emacs. Here, let me send you my .emacs file to get you started. >:) |
| 22:04.21 | PerfDave | vim! |
| 22:04.26 | lowstream | I use vim |
| 22:04.33 | JordiGH | Oh, drat. |
| 22:04.40 | JordiGH | I thought I had an editor virgin. :-( |
| 22:04.41 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 22:04.41 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 22:04.52 | lowstream | I am but I learn fast |
| 22:05.01 | robin_sz | Guerin, have they gone now? is it safe to come out? |
| 22:05.09 | lowstream | lastnight was my first night in and nix based os |
| 22:05.19 | PerfDave | I quite like Kate for GUI-based editing. |
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| 22:05.37 | tapple | I accidently upgraded to xorg 7.1.1, and I use nvidia. How do I downgrade back to 7.0? |
| 22:05.39 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Kate is nice, but it requires me to move my wrists away from the homerow keys! |
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| 22:05.45 | JordiGH | !downgrade |
| 22:05.45 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 22:05.54 | lowstream | andif i am going with a gui based ill use openoffice hehe |
| 22:06.07 | geo-rge | they're never going to add downgrading |
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| 22:06.13 | geo-rge | it's just too much work |
| 22:06.14 | abrotman | tapple: just reinstall the nvidia binary crap |
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| 22:06.50 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Nice. I'll go looking for some Documentation on upgrading to etch then. |
| 22:06.54 | PerfDave | tapple: How did you "accidentally upgrade" to xorg 7.1.1? |
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| 22:07.04 | abrotman | PerfDave: you know .. that dist-upgrade button |
| 22:07.07 | tapple | abrotman: xorg 7.1 and binary drivers don't mix. I will uninstall xserver-xorg and re-install xserver-xorg |
| 22:07.11 | robin_sz | yikes! 75mb, I think not! |
| 22:07.18 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 22:07.18 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 22:07.18 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 22:07.21 | lowstream | one question about screen I must runscreen then irssi or can i run screen now and it will hold my irssi ? |
| 22:07.50 | abrotman | tapple: i believe it does work .. ask #nvidia |
| 22:07.52 | tapple | lowstream: run irssi inside screen |
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| 22:07.53 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Thanks. |
| 22:08.11 | geo-rge | lowstream: you have to run a new screen, then run a new irssi in it |
| 22:08.13 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Though you might want to look at just doing a fresh install; I'm having a few issues dist-upgrading a Sarge box to Etch right now, but the fresh Etch installs I've done have been great, barring the existence of the unholy pestilence which is udev. |
| 22:08.23 | lowstream | k so i must kill this terminal heh |
| 22:08.45 | lowstream | I liked how i stayed online allnight in IRC nothing like winblows based IRC |
| 22:08.53 | lowstream | when i leave for an hour and im offline |
| 22:08.56 | JordiGH | robin_sz: How much of KDE do you have installed? |
| 22:09.17 | geo-rge | windows does such nice things for people! :) |
| 22:09.22 | robin_sz | JordiGH, none luckily, I managed to hit control-c before too much damage was done |
| 22:09.42 | PerfDave | *heart* KDE |
| 22:09.53 | robin_sz | ick. |
| 22:09.56 | robin_sz | its french |
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| 22:10.13 | PerfDave | KDE isn't French, it's Norwegian. |
| 22:10.34 | PerfDave | Anyway, what's wrong with the French, you racist? |
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| 22:10.43 | lowstream | i would uninstall KDE if it was french :) |
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| 22:10.54 | robin_sz | we are still at war with them I think |
| 22:10.55 | JordiGH | Norwegian? I thought it was German. |
| 22:11.00 | sandman | Is there a key-combination I can hit to bypass X and everything else? |
| 22:11.08 | sandman | X froze on me before, and I couldn't drop into a console or anything. |
| 22:11.11 | JordiGH | sandman: "Bypass"? |
| 22:11.18 | PerfDave | sandman: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace? |
| 22:11.30 | sandman | I think perhaps if I had ssh'd in or some such, I could have fixed it. But nothing locally was responding |
| 22:11.33 | robin_sz | Mandrake and KDE sleep together, close wnough to french for my liking. |
| 22:11.36 | JordiGH | sandman: Did you try to boot into single user mode from grub? |
| 22:11.36 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Oh, that's gonna be hard. I'm only logged into the server via ssh |
| 22:11.50 | sandman | PerfDave: I tried that, but it didn't work. |
| 22:11.51 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Fair enough |
| 22:12.05 | JordiGH | robin_sz: KDE is nice.. and so is Kate. You should try it out after you're down with Emacs. ;-) |
| 22:12.06 | lowstream | okay im going to restart irssi |
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| 22:12.11 | sandman | JordiGH: Well, that's not the problem. I ran wine Steam.exe, and when I tried to minimize the window, it locked up X and the keyboard. It's a documented problem. |
| 22:12.12 | bakfupai_ | Dare I upgrade to etch? |
| 22:12.18 | robin_sz | JordiGH, VIM and gedit for me |
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| 22:12.47 | robin_sz | JordiGH, or PFE on windows ... should the need arise |
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| 22:13.11 | JordiGH | sandman: Wait, so what do you want to happen? You know that something freezes your X server, so don't do it. And then? |
| 22:13.15 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: If your Sarge instlal is fairly simple, it shouldn't be much of a problem. |
| 22:13.17 | sandman | I have deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free in my source.list, although in aptitude, I haven't seen anything catagorized under "Security Update" for about three months now. Has the testing-security team fallen apart, or did they just stop labeling updates as being security updates? |
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| 22:13.44 | sandman | JordiGH: Well, I just wanted to make sure it didn't happen in the future. I'd like to play with unstable software sometimes, and bugtest |
| 22:14.02 | sandman | JordiGH: I wanted to find a way around it other than just hitting the reset button on my computer |
| 22:14.06 | geo-rge | sandman: testing is frozen |
| 22:14.18 | lowstream | wtf its telling me nickserv is not on this net hehe |
| 22:14.22 | PerfDave | sandman: Magic SysRq might be your best option. |
| 22:14.34 | JordiGH | sandman: If you can't zap the x-server, all hope is lost, I'm afraid. |
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| 22:14.55 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Don't really know what you mean. There's no packages from unofficial mirrors. But it has a full graphical environment... |
| 22:14.55 | tapple | sandman: I have sshd running. I can log on from another computer and do sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 22:15.03 | JordiGH | sandman: Are you sure your system wasn't thrashing? |
| 22:15.43 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Well, I'd always recommend backing up first... |
| 22:16.21 | sandman | tapple: I'm aware of that feature as well. I've done that in hte past, although I dislike doing it. |
| 22:16.26 | sandman | JordiGH: What do you mean Thrashing? |
| 22:16.49 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Nothing to back up. Fresh installation today. Only problem is that if it doesn't work I need to go out there again and do it all over... |
| 22:16.57 | JordiGH | !thrash |
| 22:16.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, thrash is - To move wildly or violently, without accomplishing anything useful. Also: => Paging or swapping systems that are overloaded waste most of their time moving data into and out of core (rather than performing useful computation) and are therefore said to thrash. Thrashing can also occur in a cache due to cache conflict in a multiprocessor system. => Someone who keeps changing his mind (especially about what to work on next) is ... |
| 22:17.26 | JordiGH | sandman: Your system could be thrashing, say, due to a rampant memory leak. |
| 22:17.47 | sandman | JordiGH: It wasn't thrashing. I have a load applet in GNOME up, wasn't in the red. Also: X was still working |
| 22:17.53 | sandman | Just locked me out |
| 22:18.09 | sandman | Sorry if I explained this wrong... |
| 22:19.04 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Where's "out there"? |
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| 22:20.10 | rahul | you're the one being thrashed, not me :P |
| 22:20.16 | miraterre | geo-rge you still here? |
| 22:20.22 | rahul | but last night, I got trashed(tm) |
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| 22:20.31 | bakfupai_ | Not in another country exactly but still a hassle. Anyway, is there no other way to get a fairly recent kernel? We're otherwise very happy with the system. |
| 22:20.37 | rahul | open bar at Trash Bar and 3 awesome bands |
| 22:20.49 | rahul | I'm in pain |
| 22:21.19 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Your options are compiling your own (preferably using make-kpkg), installing from backports.org, or upgrading to Etch. The last option may be the least hassle in the long run. |
| 22:22.49 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: I should note at this point that it's generally sensible to check that your hardware is compatiable with your chosen OS *before* moving it to colo ;) |
| 22:22.57 | linux_jones | ok i upgraded to etch-686 kernel and now my laptop runs way slower than i did in sarge-386 kernel, anyone have any ideas as to why? |
| 22:23.20 | PerfDave | linux_jones: You've just upgraded the kernel, not the system? |
| 22:23.20 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Not my system. I'm just the consultant or whatever ^^ |
| 22:23.21 | abrotman | define 'way slower' |
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| 22:23.54 | geo-rge | miraterre: hi |
| 22:23.54 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Well, tell your customers ;) |
| 22:23.55 | rahul | abrotman: like way out, but slow instead of out :P |
| 22:23.55 | linux_jones | no i upgraded the system |
| 22:23.58 | PerfDave | Whoa, aptitude will continue to download a package if you Ctrl-C'd out of it. |
| 22:23.59 | bakfupai_ | And we didn't have a choice really ^^ It was debian or nothing ^^ |
| 22:24.14 | geo-rge | why that? |
| 22:24.17 | tapple | I uninstalled xserver-xorg, but where can I get a deb of xserver-xorg 7.0? |
| 22:24.19 | miraterre | quick question (I hope) I installed the panasonic hotkey drivers and ran "modprobe pcc_acpi" as they suggested and it works |
| 22:24.21 | geo-rge | you always have choices |
| 22:24.22 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Well, there's really no choice anyway. If you want to run a machine, it *is* Debian or nothing ;) |
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| 22:24.45 | miraterre | but every time I reboot I have to run that command again as root |
| 22:24.50 | linux_jones | PerfDave, the system |
| 22:24.54 | geo-rge | what command? |
| 22:25.00 | miraterre | modprobe pcc_acpi |
| 22:25.07 | PerfDave | linux_jones: OK, what do you mean "way slower"? |
| 22:25.10 | dvs | miraterre: put it in /etc/modules |
| 22:25.12 | geo-rge | oh, apt-get install modconf |
| 22:25.14 | geo-rge | run that |
| 22:25.18 | geo-rge | find the module |
| 22:25.18 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Hah, FreeBSD FTW. But I still like debian. Just don't know much about it... |
| 22:25.20 | geo-rge | install |
| 22:25.25 | geo-rge | try rebooting |
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| 22:25.30 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: I used to run and admin FreeBSD, then I discovered Debian. |
| 22:25.40 | geo-rge | or you can just edit /etc/modules |
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| 22:25.54 | linux_jones | PerfDave, it takes a good min/min and a half to open epiphany web browser, before it was at least a tolerable slow |
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| 22:26.37 | geo-rge | linux_jones: your disk accessing like crazy? |
| 22:26.39 | PerfDave | linux_jones: OK, what processor do you have? How much RAM? Are you swapping? What about your disks? |
| 22:26.42 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: So anyway, you think I should go for etch now and if something goes wrong it'll still be the most hassle-free way? |
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| 22:27.07 | geo-rge | bakfupai_: this is for a customer? |
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| 22:27.17 | miraterre | thanks dvs - like this: modprobe pcc_acpi |
| 22:27.17 | miraterre | ide-detect |
| 22:27.17 | miraterre | ide-disk |
| 22:27.17 | miraterre | ? |
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| 22:27.40 | dvs | miraterre: no |
| 22:27.43 | miraterre | wow, touchy bot |
| 22:27.45 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Well, etch will be the new stable release in a few weeks, and has a 2.6.18 kernel which should support your hardware |
| 22:28.01 | miraterre | w/o the modprobe? |
| 22:28.02 | dvs | miraterre: just add a "pcc_acpi" line to the /etc/modules |
| 22:28.02 | PerfDave | miraterre: There are 600-odd people in this channel, if everyone spammed... |
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| 22:28.36 | miraterre | I guess the limit is 3 lines? |
| 22:28.46 | geo-rge | then there'd be one less odd person in the channel :) |
| 22:28.51 | miraterre | lol |
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| 22:29.20 | miraterre | hey, while I'm in there, those other things give fatal boot errors - should I remove them? ide_disk, etc |
| 22:29.23 | bakfupai_ | geo-rge: nah, a friend. he doesn't know much about linux... |
| 22:29.32 | geo-rge | yeah, pastebot is more useful |
| 22:29.37 | PerfDave | miraterre: Fatal boot errors? You can't boot your system? |
| 22:29.40 | linux_jones | PerfDave, 1 gig cpu 215 ram yes swap 378m, and what about my disks? |
| 22:29.41 | geo-rge | or pastethingy |
| 22:29.57 | PerfDave | linux_jones: OK, how much RAM and swap are you using? |
| 22:30.00 | miraterre | no, boots fine, just complains about ide-detect and ide-disk |
| 22:30.04 | bakfupai_ | Ok, I'm gonna try etch. Let's hope it works... |
| 22:30.06 | PerfDave | linux_jones: Are your disks thrashing? Are you using DMA? |
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| 22:30.19 | geo-rge | what does it say about them? |
| 22:30.19 | linux_jones | 215 ram and 378 swap |
| 22:30.27 | miraterre | fatal something |
| 22:30.44 | PerfDave | linux_jones: How much ram / swap do you have? |
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| 22:31.02 | linux_jones | PerfDave, 215/378 |
| 22:31.06 | geo-rge | allrightey then :) I know exactly what it is... it's that fatal something bug!! |
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| 22:31.29 | linux_jones | PerfDave, i dont know about disk thrashing ot dma |
| 22:31.38 | PerfDave | linux_jones: How much ram/swap are you using? |
| 22:32.31 | linux_jones | PerfDave: 215/378 |
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| 22:32.42 | |Ads| | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/shorewall not found |
| 22:32.49 | geo-rge | 215? is that an amount of ram? |
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| 22:33.12 | PerfDave | linux_jones: Please paste the output of "free -m" to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 22:33.12 | linux_jones | no, how do i find out? |
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| 22:33.53 | |Ads| | im unable to install shorewall after remove it with apt-get, what can be wrong? invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, / |
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| 22:34.28 | geo-rge | |Ads|: you're unable to install? |
| 22:34.34 | geo-rge | what error? |
| 22:34.44 | |Ads| | im enable to reinstall |
| 22:34.47 | |Ads| | unable* |
| 22:34.56 | geo-rge | ok, what happens when you reinstall? |
| 22:35.06 | |Ads| | this error at uninstall invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/shorewall not found. |
| 22:35.06 | |Ads| | dpkg: error al procesar shorewall (--remove): |
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| 22:35.24 | abrotman | !missconf |
| 22:35.27 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 22:35.27 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 22:36.04 | linux_jones | Mem: 122 120 2 0 0 15 |
| 22:36.04 | linux_jones | -/+ buffers/cache: 104 17 |
| 22:36.04 | linux_jones | Swap: 360 82 278 |
| 22:36.18 | abrotman | get more RAM ? |
| 22:36.19 | PerfDave | linux_jones: No, that wasn't http://channels.debian.net/paste was it? |
| 22:36.31 | |Ads| | thanks a lot dpkg :p |
| 22:36.31 | dpkg | no worries, |Ads| |
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| 22:36.47 | linux_jones | PerfDave, no, but my browser is crazy slow |
| 22:36.59 | PerfDave | linux_jones: That's no excuse. |
| 22:37.16 | PerfDave | linux_jones: Try using a browser like w3m or links |
| 22:37.17 | geo-rge | linux_jones: how much crap are you running? |
| 22:37.36 | geo-rge | are you trying to run kde or gnome?? |
| 22:37.44 | linux_jones | gnome |
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| 22:38.01 | geo-rge | ok, that would explain why it's slow |
| 22:38.13 | linux_jones | but in sarge it worked fine |
| 22:38.17 | |Ads| | is normal when I uninstall packages, it leave a lot of junk at /etc7init.d and rc? |
| 22:38.18 | geo-rge | try running fvwm2 and get rid of gnome |
| 22:38.23 | PerfDave | linux_jones: How much RAM are you suppoesd to have in your system? |
| 22:38.35 | geo-rge | |Ads|: config files, yes. |
| 22:38.49 | linux_jones | PerfDave, i have no idea |
| 22:39.02 | geo-rge | looks like you have 122 mb |
| 22:39.05 | PerfDave | linux_jones: What does it say when you boot it up? |
| 22:39.13 | |Ads| | is there any way to remove them all safely? If I install and uninstall I can fill the HD of junk >< |
| 22:39.41 | PerfDave | linux_jones: Basically, Linux thinks you have 128Mb RAM. This is not enough RAM for everything you're trying to run. This is why your system is running slowly. |
| 22:39.45 | geo-rge | |Ads|: if you want to get rid of the config files too, purge. |
| 22:39.58 | PerfDave | linux_jones: It may have been faster in Sarge because you were using an older, less bloated version of Gnome. |
| 22:40.30 | linux_jones | can i scale it down? |
| 22:40.40 | PerfDave | linux_jones: I don't know. I don't use Gnome. |
| 22:40.45 | geo-rge | yeah... get rid of gnome :) |
| 22:40.58 | geo-rge | that'll scale it down but good :) |
| 22:41.05 | PerfDave | I use KDE, which can be scaled to run on low-spec systems. I haven't tried running Etch's KDE on a machine with 128Mb RAM, but Sarge's was just dandy. |
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| 22:45.42 | karsten | WindowMaker is the One True wm. |
| 22:46.14 | bakfupai_ | e is teh shit! ^^ |
| 22:46.21 | JordiGH | I knew y'all couldn't let it drop. :-) |
| 22:46.27 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 22:46.27 | dpkg | Why even install X? |
| 22:46.35 | bakfupai_ | (enlightenment dr17 that is) |
| 22:46.35 | JordiGH | We all lose. :-( |
| 22:46.40 | karsten | Heh. |
| 22:46.43 | bakfupai_ | probs ^^ |
| 22:47.26 | PerfDave | X is useful for porn and Konsole! |
| 22:48.13 | lowstream | X is for porn I love it |
| 22:48.44 | bakfupai_ | why, you can view images in console, right? ^^ |
| 22:48.48 | lowstream | YeaI don't think I would like porn in a full texted based os hehe |
| 22:48.56 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Who needs X for porn? http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/pinups/pinup00.txt |
| 22:49.15 | PerfDave | JordiGH: Console-mode never gets the colours right. |
| 22:49.30 | JordiGH | PerfDave: Who needs colours! |
| 22:49.50 | PerfDave | JordiGH: Me! |
| 22:49.51 | karsten | JordiGH: Oh, the memories.... |
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| 22:50.00 | BarryAllen | hi all ... |
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| 22:50.07 | robin_sz | and dont forget, xine has the aatv plugin :) |
| 22:50.08 | BarryAllen | anyone using sarge, and postfix there ? |
| 22:50.26 | BarryAllen | is a know bug, problems with result_format with postfix/sarge ? |
| 22:50.32 | JordiGH | karsten: Whoa, check out the text on this one: http://www.spacebarcowboy.com/ascii/a-z/asciipornb.html |
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| 22:51.07 | karsten | JordiGH: That's some text. |
| 22:51.12 | PerfDave | BarryAllen: If it's a known bug, it may be on the BTS |
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| 22:51.21 | karsten | JordiGH: ... or to quote Shakespeare... |
| 22:51.23 | sanmarcos | how can I found out which process is listening on 995/tcp |
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| 22:51.27 | karsten | JordiGH: Words, words, words. |
| 22:51.38 | valdyn | sanmarcos: netstat -plunt |
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| 22:52.49 | sanmarcos | valdyn: thanks ! |
| 22:53.01 | BarryAllen | sandman fuser 995/tcp |
| 22:53.16 | sanmarcos | hah! nice |
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| 22:53.48 | BarryAllen | ops, sanmarcos <BarryAllen> sandman fuser 995/tcp |
| 22:55.48 | robin_sz | !towel |
| 22:55.48 | dpkg | towel is probably very useful |
| 22:56.15 | robin_sz | dpkg, towel is also telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 22:56.15 | dpkg | okay, robin_sz |
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| 22:57.59 | sandman | How do I manually remove something from the notification area? In particular, I ran wine Steam.exe, and it of course places its icon in the notification area |
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| 22:58.01 | olskolirc | ? |
| 22:58.32 | magyar | if revers (PTR) is lost for a subnet, how long will it take for the forward routing to disapear? |
| 22:58.37 | olskolirc | ? |
| 22:58.37 | sandman | I killed the process, and now the icon still sits. |
| 22:58.40 | olskolirc | j #flood |
| 22:58.46 | DaeJeon-Newbie | is it possible to use one boot partition for two OSs? |
| 22:59.04 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: You mean /boot, or the boot sector? |
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| 22:59.09 | DaeJeon-Newbie | yes |
| 22:59.21 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: It's not a yes or no question, it's an either/or |
| 22:59.50 | DaeJeon-Newbie | '/booy' |
| 22:59.56 | valdyn | DaeJeon-Newbie: both is possible |
| 22:59.57 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: I wouldn't advise it. |
| 23:00.09 | DaeJeon-Newbie | any rouble? |
| 23:00.39 | valdyn | DaeJeon-Newbie: dont do it, if the 'newbie' in your name means anything |
| 23:00.40 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: Well, you'll have two OSes writing their files to one partition, they may overwrite each other's kernels and configs. |
| 23:00.47 | magyar | anyone deals with DNS on root level? |
| 23:00.58 | DaeJeon-Newbie | no no |
| 23:01.07 | DaeJeon-Newbie | I will keep the record |
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| 23:01.14 | DaeJeon-Newbie | will fix it manually |
| 23:01.20 | BarryAllen | please, some one using sarge + postfix + virtuals ? i found some in a forum about problems syntax "result_format" related to sarge.... |
| 23:01.24 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 23:01.29 | PerfDave | BarryAllen: Did you check the BTS yet? |
| 23:01.32 | BarryAllen | i would like to confirm (or not) that... |
| 23:02.19 | DaeJeon-Newbie | want to install 5 OSs on one disk |
| 23:02.29 | DaeJeon-Newbie | all linux |
| 23:03.06 | valdyn | oh my god |
| 23:03.09 | valdyn | DaeJeon-Newbie: why? |
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| 23:03.26 | DaeJeon-Newbie | I am playing with asterisk server |
| 23:03.49 | DaeJeon-Newbie | so I need to switch |
| 23:03.50 | robin_sz | and why does that need 5 oses? |
| 23:03.58 | tapple | what is the command to check my kernel version? |
| 23:04.00 | DaeJeon-Newbie | no just need one |
| 23:04.05 | robin_sz | quite |
| 23:04.06 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: You might want to consider a virtualisation solution such as Xen |
| 23:04.19 | DaeJeon-Newbie | <tapple>:UNAME -A |
| 23:04.31 | dvs | tapple: uname -r |
| 23:04.39 | robin_sz | mmm, no.not really, asterisk is hard realtime, it hates virtualisation |
| 23:04.52 | tapple | dvs: DaeJeon-Newbie: thanks |
| 23:05.12 | robin_sz | it usually uses either a zaptel card or in a pinch, a hfc USB adaptor as a timing source |
| 23:05.15 | PerfDave | robin_sz: If DaeJeon-Newbie's trying out which distribution integrates best with Asterisk, it might be useful. |
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| 23:05.49 | robin_sz | PerfDave, asterisk runs fine on debian, what more is there to know? |
| 23:05.52 | DaeJeon-Newbie | well asterisk works fine with all linux flavors |
| 23:06.32 | PerfDave | In that case, I am confused as to why DaeJeon-Newbie wants five distributions :) |
| 23:06.38 | robin_sz | likewise |
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| 23:06.45 | DaeJeon-Newbie | well I am going to integrate more stiff with asterisk server, such as vxml gateway |
| 23:07.08 | robin_sz | and that needs 5 oses because the package name begins with V? |
| 23:07.26 | DaeJeon-Newbie | becase I want to check my applications on all the oss |
| 23:07.43 | rahul | robin_sz: no, because it ends in l |
| 23:07.48 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie could always run a Debian Xen host, and run Asterisk in the host, and try out other distros in Xen guests. |
| 23:07.48 | rahul | duh |
| 23:07.52 | robin_sz | rahul, ah, point. |
| 23:08.50 | robin_sz | PerfDave, and when it doesnt work because the thing is timesliced to buggery and back, he'll be able to draw what conclusion exactly? |
| 23:09.06 | PerfDave | robin_sz: That he should just stick to Debian, natch ;) |
| 23:09.16 | robin_sz | well, yes, :) |
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| 23:09.33 | rahul | Cooking Salmon in a Dishwasher - http://www.thesalmons.org/lynn/dishwasher.html heh |
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| 23:09.54 | adamt | eternal lands isn't in the official debian repositories? |
| 23:10.03 | DaeJeon-Newbie | one more trouble: yesterday I installed debian after installing centos. debian write the new boot sector , and I was unbale to boot from cent os |
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| 23:11.20 | abrotman | so get grub to boot it |
| 23:11.46 | robin_sz | or better still ... don;t |
| 23:11.47 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: Did you install Debian on top of or alongside CentOS? |
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| 23:12.04 | DaeJeon-Newbie | but I don't know how to fix |
| 23:12.10 | magyar | I have a question to someone who has dealt with ROOT servers or has/owns a subnet. SOS |
| 23:12.35 | dvs | heh |
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| 23:12.54 | robin_sz | some twit gave me a signing key .... |
| 23:12.57 | DaeJeon-Newbie | PerfDave: centos- pri-master-disk 1 and debian pri-s disk 2 |
| 23:13.04 | linux_jones | is there a way to make twm prettier? |
| 23:13.05 | zinx | PerfDave: I own 127/8, and the entire address space is routed! |
| 23:13.21 | DaeJeon-Newbie | PerfDave: both were on different disk |
| 23:13.23 | rahul | linux_jones: are you insane? |
| 23:13.32 | zinx | linux_jones: replace it with a different window manager |
| 23:13.34 | linux_jones | rahul, prolly |
| 23:13.41 | rahul | heh. |
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| 23:13.57 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: primary master disk 1? Do you mean primary master partition 1 or osmething? |
| 23:14.01 | magyar | PerfDave: if revers (PTR) is lost for a subnet, how long will it take for the forward routing to disapear? |
| 23:14.12 | linux_jones | but...but...but... my computer is so old and slow, its the only way its tolerable |
| 23:14.14 | magyar | PerfDave: shiat :) |
| 23:14.20 | magyar | 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 23:14.20 | DaeJeon-Newbie | let me talk in linux lang |
| 23:14.24 | magyar | bastages |
| 23:14.24 | DaeJeon-Newbie | hda |
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| 23:14.57 | DaeJeon-Newbie | hda-centos, hdb debain |
| 23:15.01 | PerfDave | magyar: You mean DNS? PTR and A addresses are unrelated. |
| 23:15.04 | PerfDave | !debain |
| 23:15.04 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 23:15.15 | rahul | heh |
| 23:15.18 | DaeJeon-Newbie | debian |
| 23:15.30 | DaeJeon-Newbie | sorry man |
| 23:15.33 | rahul | PerfDave: but then what did Ain do? |
| 23:15.33 | DaeJeon-Newbie | typo |
| 23:15.36 | |Ads| | can be a grsec kernel stopping a cs server to accept connections? |
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| 23:16.00 | robin_sz | im still trying to work out how a PTR (which is a DNS thing) is related to routing ... which is not |
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| 23:16.13 | rahul | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain |
| 23:16.25 | magyar | PerfDave: so if some owner of a subnet looses his or hers registration with ARIN, than who cares, all that could happen is you lose PTR? |
| 23:16.34 | DaeJeon-Newbie | what is the simple to boot at least two OSs ? |
| 23:16.38 | abrotman | grub |
| 23:16.48 | DaeJeon-Newbie | parition? |
| 23:16.50 | dvs | grub |
| 23:16.59 | DaeJeon-Newbie | how do I do? |
| 23:17.07 | rahul | grub |
| 23:17.11 | robin_sz | magyar, no. their host lookups will diappear. touting to the host wont go, but you wont be able to look up the host by name |
| 23:17.19 | rahul | we should make a song like that |
| 23:17.23 | robin_sz | s/touting/routing/ |
| 23:17.42 | DaeJeon-Newbie | grub- menu.lst? |
| 23:17.48 | DaeJeon-Newbie | can I edit manually? |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:18.03 | PerfDave | DaeJeon-Newbie: Yes, but some changes may be overwritten, read the comments carefully. |
| 23:18.03 | DaeJeon-Newbie | what should I know if I want to edit |
| 23:18.09 | abrotman | there's a part for non-auto-gen'ed OSes |
| 23:18.31 | robin_sz | magyar, as a rule, the domain will get removed from the whois server about 12 hours before it is removed from the root server. |
| 23:19.04 | DaeJeon-Newbie | is it good to use LVM parition thing? |
| 23:19.09 | robin_sz | magyar, at that point, host with it in their DNS cache will have until the TTL expires, then its gone |
| 23:19.12 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: I think so |
| 23:19.22 | magyar | robin_sz: i still can lookup the hostnames after third week of no PTR for the subnet |
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| 23:19.28 | DaeJeon-Newbie | what is the advantage ? |
| 23:19.47 | DaeJeon-Newbie | tapple:what is the advantage ? |
| 23:19.52 | PerfDave | LVM gives you flexibility, at the expense of some boot issues with older versions of GRUB |
| 23:19.54 | magyar | robin_sz: i mean three weeks of broken PTR |
| 23:20.00 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: no need to repartition, ever. |
| 23:20.16 | bakfupai_ | magyar = hungarian right? ^^ |
| 23:20.28 | DaeJeon-Newbie | can we add extra disk to existing disk? |
| 23:20.40 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: it also gives you resizable partitions (reiserfs at least can grow online |
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| 23:20.42 | robin_sz | magyar, depends where the PTR is in the sequence .. is it a reverse dns? |
| 23:20.43 | magyar | bakfupai_: no, magyar, just plain old magyar |
| 23:20.55 | robin_sz | well, half |
| 23:21.32 | bakfupai_ | imagined so with the sz ^^ magyar hirlap = a hungarian newspaper?! ^^ |
| 23:21.34 | magyar | robin_sz: yeap, the revers started failing at end of november |
| 23:21.35 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: there is an excellent lvm howto at tldp.org |
| 23:21.39 | bakfupai_ | or has somebody fooled me? ;) |
| 23:22.13 | magyar | bakfupai_: anyone can be hungarian, but only a few can be magyars :) |
| 23:22.34 | robin_sz | magyar, if the PTR record is only used int he reverse DNS, then the only place you might have trouble is if the host is a mailserver |
| 23:22.45 | bakfupai_ | magyar: that didn't exactly make me wiser ^^ |
| 23:22.50 | tapple | make-kpkg modules cannot build nvidia: gpg: skipped "Unknown Kernel Package Maintainer <unknown@unconfigured.in.etc.kernel-pkg.conf>": secret key not available |
| 23:22.58 | robin_sz | magyar, some people reject mail from host with no reverse DNS |
| 23:23.08 | DaeJeon-Newbie | i saw sometimes people choose /home on ext3 why we need home dir? |
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| 23:23.26 | tapple | it needs to sign something, and fails |
| 23:23.36 | robin_sz | magyar, you can try www.dnsreport.com for analysis, its pretty comprehenmsive |
| 23:23.40 | magyar | robin_sz: well, that is how I found out that the fellow who owns the subnet lost registration with ARIN |
| 23:23.48 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 23:23.48 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 23:24.25 | DaeJeon-Newbie | tapple: how abt if I just go with /root, /swap and /root? |
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| 23:24.34 | robin_sz | magyar, yeah, but its only reverse DNS, nothing too bad will happen DNS is totally seperate from routing |
| 23:24.38 | DaeJeon-Newbie | sorry /boot |
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| 23:25.06 | robin_sz | magyar, do the sensiblke thing and register his old domain name :) |
| 23:25.08 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: wouldn't you need a root for each of your 5 os's? |
| 23:25.16 | magyar | robin_sz: so will he also loose routing in due course |
| 23:25.17 | magyar | ? |
| 23:25.22 | robin_sz | no |
| 23:25.25 | robin_sz | no no |
| 23:25.28 | abrotman | DaeJeon-Newbie: no / ? |
| 23:25.34 | DaeJeon-Newbie | tapple: of course I need root for every os |
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| 23:25.37 | robin_sz | routing and DNS are not connected |
| 23:25.58 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: I would also put /home on a partition |
| 23:26.02 | robin_sz | and its lose not loose |
| 23:26.05 | Vins | I have to install particular pkg to make Mod_rewrite apache1.3 working? |
| 23:26.22 | magyar | robin_sz: i can't (evil laugh) he still owns his domains, but I wouldn't mind grubing a /19 network :) |
| 23:26.29 | DaeJeon-Newbie | max size for /home? |
| 23:26.33 | robin_sz | heh |
| 23:26.48 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: that depends on how much music you have |
| 23:26.48 | jelly-home | Vins: nope, mod_rewrite is available by default. |
| 23:27.22 | tapple | DaeJeon-Newbie: oh; these are servers? nevermind then :-D |
| 23:27.25 | Vins | jelly-home, thanks... but it seems it want not to start |
| 23:27.39 | DaeJeon-Newbie | tapple>: all servers |
| 23:27.45 | robin_sz | magyar, so, dotn panic, mail will be screwy until you can get a reverse DNS put back in place, but the webshites will stay up for as long as forwards DNS is in place |
| 23:27.48 | DaeJeon-Newbie | no desktop things |
| 23:27.50 | abrotman | !ig |
| 23:27.51 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 23:28.17 | robin_sz | now ... who has a nice copy of the firmware for this poxy robot of mine huh? |
| 23:28.23 | Vins | i've tried with apache-modconf apache but nothing .( |
| 23:28.35 | magyar | robin_sz: kool, i got my mailserver to "relayhost" to a different subnet. |
| 23:28.44 | DaeJeon-Newbie | dpkg: thank you |
| 23:28.44 | dpkg | no problem, DaeJeon-Newbie |
| 23:28.48 | robin_sz | magyar, that should do it |
| 23:28.48 | magyar | robin_sz: thanks for your input |
| 23:28.53 | robin_sz | np |
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| 23:29.13 | DaeJeon-Newbie | tapple: thank you for ur valuable time |
| 23:29.26 | robin_sz | magyar, you dont by chance happen to have the bootlaoder for a Comau 6 axis industrial robot to hand do you? |
| 23:29.51 | abrotman | robin_sz: 42 |
| 23:30.12 | magyar | robin_sz: what does one do with that?....smoke it drink it snore it? |
| 23:30.40 | robin_sz | mmm ... dunno yet. can;t get it to boot :( |
| 23:30.55 | iturk | hi guys !! any game like civilization for linux ?? |
| 23:31.17 | robin_sz | never leave devices which rely on a battery backed ramdisk turned off in a shed for a year. gooad advice that, |
| 23:31.19 | abrotman | iturk: civilization .. and freeciv |
| 23:31.45 | jelly-home | Vins: have you enabled that module when installing apache? You might want to run dpkg-reconfigure apache to verify and enable it. |
| 23:31.46 | abrotman | civ:CTP exists for linux .. or AC .. whichever it was .. ask Loki Games |
| 23:31.50 | PerfDave | iturk: freeciv, civilisation: Call to Power, Alpha Centauri... |
| 23:31.52 | satHan | hey I'm having some really weird samba and smbfs behavior, anyone up for helping me troubleshoot? |
| 23:32.18 | iturk | thanks guys i will check them |
| 23:32.22 | jelly-home | Vins: also, what does "not start", the whole apache server? Only that module? |
| 23:32.24 | robin_sz | try #samba ... they are pretty hot on that |
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| 23:32.35 | nsx | why are there no longer -smp and non-smp versions of linux-image packages? |
| 23:32.38 | jelly-home | Vins: do you get any error messages? |
| 23:32.54 | magyar | robin_sz: so if i have couple of hosts registered on that network with some resistrar, i will not loose the forwards? Am I right? |
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| 23:33.00 | Vins | yes, it checked |
| 23:33.11 | abrotman | nsx: all in one! |
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| 23:33.41 | nsx | abrotman: what? |
| 23:33.42 | satHan | /leave |
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| 23:33.55 | abrotman | nsx: they're all SMP now |
| 23:34.17 | nsx | yes, I see that |
| 23:34.20 | nsx | my question is why? |
| 23:34.39 | blondie | why not! |
| 23:34.41 | robin_sz | magyar, probably not ... so long as the DNS lookups dont involve one of the domains thats fallen off. note I said domains, which are a DNS thing, not subnets, which are a routing thing. ie so long as the host records for the domains have A records or CNAMES that DONT point ot the missing domain, you are fine |
| 23:34.58 | nsx | I assume that because an smp kernel incurs a penalty performance on a uniprocessor system |
| 23:35.00 | nsx | I assume that's why |
| 23:35.08 | robin_sz | magyar, and its lose, not loose. |
| 23:35.11 | nsx | I assume that's why they've always separated the two before |
| 23:35.29 | tapple | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4833. |
| 23:35.39 | blondie | you mean "performance penalty" |
| 23:35.49 | tapple | I cannot build nvidia |
| 23:36.14 | abrotman | nsx: yes .. but it's minor |
| 23:36.16 | robin_sz | magyar, so www.mydomain.com A 191.192.193.194 is good |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | nsx: they also have 4GB support |
| 23:36.40 | robin_sz | magyar, so www.mydomain.com CNAME www.somehostonagooddomain.com is also good |
| 23:36.57 | robin_sz | magyar, so www.mydomain.com CNAME www.thedomainthatsgonebaaaaaaad.com is bad |
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| 23:37.35 | nsx | abrotman: right, but what changed? what made them decide to suddenly stop making the two separate versions? |
| 23:37.40 | magyar | robin_sz: got it, as long as the routers are running, ARIN is not of bing importance |
| 23:37.58 | robin_sz | magyar, so www.mydomain.com CNAME www.somehostonagooddomain.com is only good if their DNS does not involve the baddomain.com either |
| 23:37.59 | abrotman | nsx: lots of newer machines in the years to come will be SMP |
| 23:38.18 | robin_sz | magyar, exactly ARIN is just lookups |
| 23:38.25 | magyar | roger |
| 23:38.46 | robin_sz | no, im robin. |
| 23:38.59 | magyar | -_- |
| 23:39.00 | abrotman | wright penn ? |
| 23:39.03 | robin_sz | heh |
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| 23:40.19 | lowstream | hehe WTF im looking at themes and i found one that makes gnome look likewindows xp wtf why would you want to do that |
| 23:40.35 | jelly-home | abrotman: in fact, are there any current x86 CPUs that are not SMP? |
| 23:40.36 | robin_sz | no eyed dear |
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| 23:40.50 | abrotman | jelly: you can get lowend stuff that isn't |
| 23:41.01 | abrotman | and i believe oyu can still get single core opterons |
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| 23:41.16 | PerfDave | nsx: Maybe the performance penalty has lessened with more recent kernels? |
| 23:41.25 | PerfDave | lowstream: Yeah, why would you want to run Gnome? |
| 23:41.26 | abrotman | the penalty was always minor |
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| 23:41.38 | abrotman | PerfDave: KDE has one too |
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| 23:42.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: Exactly! |
| 23:42.27 | PerfDave | Man, I should remember just to download DVD ISOs of Debian - 5 hours to dist-upgrade my Sarge box to Etch |
| 23:42.35 | abrotman | of course .. you don't need a theme for KDE to look like total crap :) |
| 23:42.54 | jelly-home | PerfDave: judging by your nick you know a lot about performance ;-) |
| 23:44.20 | raf256 | hi jelly-home |
| 23:44.33 | PerfDave | jelly-home: My dayjob involves lots of benchmarking |
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| 23:46.24 | Trewas | nsx: at least when ubuntu kernels made most of the kernel-variants SMP enabled by default, there is a comment in the changelog, "The 686 and k7 packages are SMP enabled. In fact, they are also UP enabled "WHAT!?!? HUH!?!". Yes, SMP on i386 now has the added benefit of killing lock ops dynamically on boot." |
| 23:46.44 | Trewas | nsx: so there should be no performance hit at all |
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| 23:47.18 | karsten | lowstream: Hell, there's a whole window manager devoted to WinXP. |
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| 23:47.23 | karsten | lowstream: XPde |
| 23:47.26 | abrotman | !xpde |
| 23:47.27 | dpkg | i heard xpde is a desktop environment attempting to make it easier for the newbie. stands for "XP Desktop Environment.", or at http://www.xpde.com/ for more info. |
| 23:47.31 | emss | lol |
| 23:48.23 | karsten | Trewas: AIU, recent Debian kernels are also SMP by default. |
| 23:48.45 | lowstream | is GTK any good ? |
| 23:48.49 | PerfDave | lowstream: No :) |
| 23:49.01 | abrotman | GTK is perfectly fine |
| 23:49.11 | abrotman | you'll have to excuse PerfDave .. he's angry because he's british |
| 23:49.17 | lowstream | ohhh |
| 23:49.22 | karsten | lowstream: For what? It's the standard GNOME widget toolkit. Originally "the GIMP toolkit". |
| 23:49.23 | PerfDave | GTK makes xmms work, so it's just about tolerable. |
| 23:49.27 | RvGaTe | Suggestion: on the package manager, add an option like "grab from testing/unstable" |
| 23:49.27 | lowstream | Im sorry perf one day you might get over that and fix it |
| 23:49.27 | karsten | lowstream: One of the better parts of gtk. |
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| 23:49.39 | karsten | lowstream: s/of gtk/of GNOME/ |
| 23:49.40 | TGPO | karsten: that depends on the kernel you start with, I did an install 3 days ago that required me to install a different kernel, and that was using the daily build |
| 23:49.52 | lowstream | you should add ig on that |
| 23:50.24 | lowstream | nm hehe |
| 23:50.36 | lowstream | My head hurts |
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| 23:53.51 | Knorrie | why |
| 23:53.57 | abrotman | bud dry |
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| 23:54.15 | sbk | Looking for a reasonably reliable, simple solution for backups like what dump/restore provides, on a live file-system, but without the possibility of meta-data failure. I'm going towards gnu tar -- any other options? I've looked at rsnapshot, but don't like that it doesn't compress increments. Also, it seems to take a very long time to do its thing. |
| 23:54.38 | Knorrie | ;) |
| 23:54.45 | lowstream | anyone know about installing themes? |
| 23:55.09 | jelly-home | sbk: are you dumping to disk or to tape? |
| 23:55.20 | sbk | jelly-home: disk on a remote box. |
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| 23:55.38 | Knorrie | sbk: rsync.. dirvish |
| 23:55.43 | PerfDave | sbk: What do you mean by "metadata failure"? |
| 23:55.56 | abrotman | lowlevel: which kind of theme ? |
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| 23:56.31 | sbk | PerfDave: per my understanding of how dump works on a live filesystem, if the os has partially written out (say) the contents of a directory inode, dump may push out garbled content for it, and then lose the files under that inode |
| 23:56.34 | jelly-home | sbk: one feature that rsync based scripts like rsnapshot, dirvish etc. offer is to keep the unchanged files hardlinked. |
| 23:57.06 | sbk | jelly-home: ok -- thanks for that pointer, I'll check out dirvish |
| 23:57.09 | PerfDave | sbk: You might want to look at filesystem snapshots with lvm or xfs |
| 23:57.17 | karsten | sbk: tar's an old reliable. rsync is popular for disk replication / fast incremental updates. |
| 23:57.37 | sbk | PerfDave: right -- ok |
| 23:57.48 | lowstream | GTK |
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| 23:59.09 | sbk | jelly-home: right. The thing I did not like about rsync-based scripts (specifically rsnapshot) is that (a) it doesn't compress changed files, and (b) it took a very long time to complete an incremental job, compared to dump |
