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| 00:02.58 | lowstream | any other cool programs i should know about when learning nix |
| 00:04.04 | jelly-home | Is it possible to convert a plain ext3 partition to lvm in-place? |
| 00:04.22 | emss | lowstream: man, and a shell |
| 00:04.37 | PerfDave | jelly-home: ext3 is a filesystem, not a partition type |
| 00:05.01 | lowstream | i know about man and cat |
| 00:05.12 | lowstream | also know about shell |
| 00:05.19 | lowstream | and i RTFM |
| 00:05.25 | jelly-home | PerfDave: ok then, is it possible to convert a plain partition _regardless of the data on it_ to a lvm volume? :-) |
| 00:05.37 | emss | lowstream: http://ratpoison.nongnu.org/ |
| 00:05.39 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Not that I know of |
| 00:05.53 | emss | lowstream: and also screen |
| 00:06.05 | lowstream | I got screen |
| 00:06.15 | lowstream | running it now with irssi hehe |
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| 00:07.05 | lowstream | i also learned alot about vim |
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| 00:08.16 | lowstream | ummm is ther a way to use a network printer thats hooked to a windows box ? |
| 00:08.28 | schippes | samba |
| 00:08.29 | blondie | yes, cups |
| 00:08.43 | sbk | PerfDave: perplexed about lvm snapshots, and how it interacts with the filesystem. I take it that lvm itself is oblivious to the underlying filesystem, it just behaves like a block device and that's about it |
| 00:08.49 | blondie | it'll let you connect to a windows printer |
| 00:08.51 | blondie | !cups |
| 00:08.51 | dpkg | i guess cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 00:08.58 | emss | lowstream: I suggest you just use aptitude search <keyword> and just explore |
| 00:09.09 | emss | lowstream: install something try it out whatever and read |
| 00:09.19 | PerfDave | sbk: Pretty much, yes. I don't think it's entirely oblivious though, it seems to "know" when the underlying filesystem is in a "good" state |
| 00:09.29 | karsten | jelly-home: Destructively. |
| 00:09.49 | Nibbier | cups is nice, stop moaning dpkg |
| 00:09.52 | sbk | PerfDave: ah, interesting. Ok, that was what I was going to ask -- how does that ensure file-systmem consistency. interesting. |
| 00:09.53 | emss | lowstream: like you may use irssi but there are many other irc clients for unix, xchat gaim kopete konversation bitchx epic rcirc erc etc. |
| 00:09.54 | lowstream | okay a new command to play with hehe |
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| 00:10.16 | karsten | lowstream: screen + irssi rawks |
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| 00:10.24 | lowstream | I kind if like the text based |
| 00:10.43 | emss | lowstream: there is also weechat, and there are many window managers though imho ratpoison is the best and stumpwm is very nice too :) |
| 00:11.20 | PerfDave | sbk: Note that I say "seems to", I could just have been lucky ;) |
| 00:11.22 | schippes | my debian box tend to freeze regularly when i access it from another computer connected to the local home network via wifi, if i plug the network cable the debian box never crashes.. where should i start looking at ? by crash i mean te box freezes completely... |
| 00:11.30 | sbk | PerfDave: :-) ok |
| 00:11.30 | PerfDave | The only IRC clients worth looking at are irssi and Konversation |
| 00:11.42 | karsten | PerfDave: ... | head -1 |
| 00:11.43 | emss | epic5 is very nice |
| 00:12.14 | schme | erc is sweet |
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| 00:12.20 | emss | epic and bitchx are nice if you want shell eyecandy all those ascii/ansi graphics :) |
| 00:12.21 | karsten | lowstream: If you need a multi-protocol client (eg: aim, yim, jabber, etc.), Konversation is good. Or you can somewhat emulo by running text-mode single-protocol clients in screen. |
| 00:12.58 | PerfDave | If you want multi-protocol, bitlbee is an IRC gateway for Jabber, MSN etc. |
| 00:13.09 | karsten | PerfDave: No shit. |
| 00:13.25 | emss | PerfDave: thanks |
| 00:13.26 | karsten | PerfDave: s/\./?/ |
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| 00:13.35 | usr_rob | Hi! I have a question if you know how to manage to have multiple user accounts and not have to be prompt for the keyring password that /usr/bin/nm-applet (Gnome Network Manager) is asking for. |
| 00:13.38 | usr_rob | to add this: "auth optional pam_keyring.so try_first_pass session optional pam_keyring.so" in "/etc/pam.d/gdm" will use my account password. |
| 00:13.43 | PerfDave | karsten: No shit. I use it with irssi for Jabber |
| 00:13.47 | usr_rob | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.56 | usr_rob | i'm not sure how to fix this, so that the keyring password will be unlocked no matter of which user that will login. |
| 00:13.59 | karsten | PerfDave: This is a client or what? |
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| 00:14.15 | karsten | PerfDave: Hrm. Server. So you set it up on localhost? |
| 00:14.18 | PerfDave | karsten: No, it's a gateway |
| 00:14.49 | emss | anyone know of enlightenment 0.17cvs packages for debian? |
| 00:15.02 | PerfDave | karsten: Yeah, /connect -ircnet bitlbee localhost 7000 |
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| 00:16.43 | sbk | bitlbee is indeed quite nice for irc protocol bigots -- I use it to connect to yahoo IM through emacs |
| 00:17.28 | jelly-home | emss: is "/msg dpkg dr17" of any help? |
| 00:18.40 | emss | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 00:19.27 | unlink | could someone who has ssh set up tell me what the symlinks are by default? |
| 00:19.43 | unlink | i mean, the sysv init symlinks. |
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| 00:21.23 | Necrogami | hey |
| 00:21.56 | Necrogami | Hello? |
| 00:22.03 | freespace | Hello? |
| 00:22.28 | goldfish654 | Hello? |
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| 00:22.47 | peterrooney | foo? |
| 00:22.48 | Nibbier | hello? |
| 00:22.55 | Necrogami | Is it possiable to install Lilo/grub on a Raid 0 |
| 00:22.55 | jelly-home | !hello |
| 00:22.55 | dpkg | Hi, jelly-home! |
| 00:23.43 | mutante_ | can i use apt-get to install the manpages for many/all/some packages, without installing all those packages themselves? i want to use man2html and have them all available to display, but not all those packages actually on the server |
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| 00:24.50 | jelly-home | Necrogami: gut feeling says "no" |
| 00:25.24 | robin_sz | sigh .. whats that nntp client called that I can never remeber the name of? |
| 00:25.25 | unlink | well, there's apt-get source... :p |
| 00:25.31 | unlink | ntpdate? |
| 00:25.34 | Necrogami | hmmm |
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| 00:25.52 | mutante_ | i want apt-get man :p |
| 00:25.56 | robin_sz | no, nntp not ntp |
| 00:26.00 | unlink | woh |
| 00:26.01 | unlink | *oh |
| 00:26.08 | abrotman | robin_sz: slrn? tin? pan? |
| 00:26.09 | jelly-home | robin_sz: slrn? |
| 00:26.14 | robin_sz | pan! |
| 00:26.17 | robin_sz | thnaks |
| 00:26.25 | unlink | rn! |
| 00:26.32 | mutante_ | can i then download all manpages as a tar.gz manually and just unpack in the right place? |
| 00:26.39 | jelly-home | Thunder... err, Icedove? |
| 00:26.53 | robin_sz | icedove does news? |
| 00:27.00 | unlink | that it does. |
| 00:27.03 | jelly-home | robin_sz: doesn't it? |
| 00:27.04 | robin_sz | coo |
| 00:27.04 | unlink | But not as well as rn(1) |
| 00:27.16 | jelly-home | wine Agent.exe |
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| 00:28.15 | jelly-home | Necrogami: is it a soft raid0 or hardware? |
| 00:28.16 | displaced | how do you reinstall a package after hosing the config? |
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| 00:29.05 | unlink | i have a headless box that i have running under a rescue system (basically like a rescue floppy). the problem is, sshd doesn't start when the box turns on, and the machine doesn't respond to pings. i haven't touched /etc/network/* since it last worked; what might be wrong? |
| 00:29.12 | amphi | !tell displaced about confmiss |
| 00:29.13 | schme | displaced: try -reinstall with apt-get |
| 00:29.17 | jelly-home | displaced: "apt-get --purge remove thingy; apt-get install thingy" or "aptitude purge thingy; aptitude install thingy" |
| 00:29.26 | schme | !tell schme about confmiss |
| 00:29.51 | abrotman | !tell schme about selftell |
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| 00:30.15 | schme | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 00:30.52 | jelly-home | !tell me a fable |
| 00:31.14 | jonathan_ | hello |
| 00:31.27 | abrotman | !fable |
| 00:31.28 | dpkg | i guess fable is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/TheFable |
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| 00:32.16 | displaced | thank you amphi |
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| 00:33.41 | displaced | i'm still getting a file missing |
| 00:34.37 | displaced | any ideas? |
| 00:34.57 | amphi | displaced: did you try purge 'n install? |
| 00:35.05 | displaced | yup, 3 times |
| 00:35.31 | displaced | file was deleted by me trying to delete a previous install, now debian won't reinstall it |
| 00:35.49 | displaced | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do it |
| 00:35.59 | displaced | dpkg -p and install didn't do it |
| 00:36.15 | displaced | ideas? |
| 00:36.38 | displaced | only thing i haven't tried is a make install |
| 00:36.51 | displaced | and that's what started this mess to begin with |
| 00:37.01 | schme | Why not grab the config file from the .deb and put it there by hand? |
| 00:37.17 | displaced | how? |
| 00:37.24 | schme | ar x foo.deb |
| 00:37.24 | chowmeined | do you know of any open-source libraries that can write to the dell BIOS settings? or any libraries that utilize dell's omca? |
| 00:37.39 | schme | and it ought to be in one of the tarballs |
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| 00:37.44 | displaced | ar x squid.deb? |
| 00:37.57 | schme | if squid.deb is indeed the name of the .deb |
| 00:38.02 | displaced | hmmm |
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| 00:38.38 | displaced | dpkg says it doesn't exist? |
| 00:38.50 | schme | Do you have the .deb on your harddrive? |
| 00:39.02 | displaced | no |
| 00:39.08 | displaced | but i can get it in a few secs |
| 00:39.15 | schme | Ya. you need that to extract it with ar :) |
| 00:39.25 | schme | apt-get -d ought to do it.. |
| 00:39.34 | usr_rob | Anyone who knows if it's possible to replace the ati videocard (x1400) with a nvidia on Thinkpad R60 ? |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | doubtful .. probably soldered on |
| 00:40.18 | schme | one of them onboard ones, ya. |
| 00:40.31 | usr_rob | no it's not |
| 00:40.36 | displaced | soldered onto the board if i remember correctly |
| 00:40.52 | schme | oh. |
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| 00:41.00 | displaced | if it's not then you should be able to replace it with a mini pci if you can find one |
| 00:41.19 | abrotman | do they even make minipci video cards ? |
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| 00:41.30 | usr_rob | displaced: Okey, i will open my laptop and have a look |
| 00:41.47 | displaced | yeah they do, but finding one is a real blast |
| 00:42.00 | usr_rob | nice to know ;) thx |
| 00:42.34 | displaced | how many people do you know that have actually tried to "upgrade" a laptop? |
| 00:43.04 | castoff | lots...upgrade to a new one ;-) |
| 00:43.13 | Nibbier | memupgrade? |
| 00:43.29 | displaced | i don't like laptops because they become frozen. you can only upgrade so far and then you are stuck |
| 00:43.31 | Nibbier | or talking of those old ones with ISA slot... |
| 00:43.48 | displaced | you can install ram, harddrive and that's about it |
| 00:44.13 | displaced | try talking your oem into selling you a motherboard that will fit that case |
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| 00:44.52 | displaced | in fact, most oems won't even sell you an upgraded motherboard for one of their desktop! |
| 00:45.10 | castoff | didn't dell use to sell a plan like that to corporations? wonder how many used the plan |
| 00:45.10 | usr_rob | hehe |
| 00:45.22 | unlink | i don't have any way of monitoring this system's startup. all i know is that it does boot, the link goes up, but sshd does not. i can telnet in under rescue mode to fix it, but i don't know why it's not starting up |
| 00:45.29 | displaced | dell goes to the extent of having the board custom made so you can't install a new one unless you buy it from them |
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| 00:45.58 | displaced | unlink, have you looked at syslog? |
| 00:46.07 | schme | I am quite sure it is one of these http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonx1400/gallery.html |
| 00:46.10 | unlink | yes |
| 00:46.14 | schme | You would have a hard time changing it. |
| 00:46.40 | usr_rob | i just wish ati would be more openminded, so i could run obsd on this one |
| 00:46.55 | schme | Why can't ya? |
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| 00:47.01 | unlink | displaced: as a matter of fact, it doesn't seem to even start up. |
| 00:47.02 | usr_rob | ati videocard |
| 00:47.04 | schme | OpenBSD runs fine on my thinkpad. |
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| 00:47.16 | schme | usr_rob: vesa driver! |
| 00:47.18 | displaced | i've actually tried the radeon drivers on one of my systems, they can keep them, i went back to the open source drivers |
| 00:47.19 | usr_rob | Do you have a x1400 ati card ;) |
| 00:47.21 | unlink | why would you run openbsd on a thinkpad?! |
| 00:47.41 | usr_rob | schme: It do not support OpenGL ? |
| 00:47.52 | schme | usr_rob: No, it does not support opengl. |
| 00:48.02 | displaced | so it's failing on boot? |
| 00:48.05 | unlink | yes |
| 00:48.07 | usr_rob | schm: Okey. |
| 00:48.13 | krazykit | well, it supports opengl, just not hardware acceleration. |
| 00:48.37 | displaced | hmmm, what's the setup look like? |
| 00:48.39 | schme | really tho.. you are planning to run openbsd on it, and you are worried about 3d acceleration.. ? openbsd has dead slow performance anyway (; |
| 00:48.43 | unlink | displaced: what setup? |
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| 00:49.02 | displaced | kernel version-distro? |
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| 00:49.17 | usr_rob | unlink: It's more fun. Had it alot on my servers, and on a dell inspiron laptop. Now i want it on this one but i stick with the OpenGL support i got. |
| 00:49.17 | unlink | 2.4.17/unstable |
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| 00:49.22 | unseensoul | hi |
| 00:49.36 | displaced | so you are running grub? |
| 00:49.39 | unlink | usr_rob: freebsd is essentially superior in every way except security. :[ |
| 00:49.43 | unlink | :p |
| 00:49.52 | usr_rob | unlink: hehe |
| 00:50.11 | unlink | seriously, where openbsd is O(n), freebsd is O(1) |
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| 00:50.43 | displaced | unlink: you are using grub? |
| 00:50.48 | unlink | displaced: no |
| 00:50.52 | unlink | displaced: it's a powerpc machine. |
| 00:50.55 | displaced | ok, hmmm |
| 00:51.02 | displaced | oh! |
| 00:51.21 | displaced | so is it actually loading the kernel image? |
| 00:51.30 | unlink | yes |
| 00:51.46 | displaced | ok, so it's failing in the startup sequence? |
| 00:51.49 | unlink | yes |
| 00:52.06 | displaced | but you can't see it while it's booting |
| 00:52.08 | unlink | nope |
| 00:52.17 | displaced | talking about leading the blind!!! |
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| 00:52.50 | usr_rob | i'm not a gamer so maybe i could manage to not have OpenGL support. I should think about it. ;) |
| 00:52.50 | displaced | ok, so it's not getting to a running kernel at all |
| 00:52.56 | unlink | no, it is. |
| 00:53.03 | unlink | the kernel is burned into ROM |
| 00:53.28 | displaced | you can telnet in? |
| 00:53.31 | unlink | yes |
| 00:53.45 | displaced | can you run less on the syslog? |
| 00:53.49 | unlink | in rescue mode. |
| 00:53.51 | displaced | see where it stops? |
| 00:53.53 | unlink | well, vi, but yes. |
| 00:54.07 | displaced | what's the last entry? |
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| 00:54.19 | unlink | Dec 17 03:28:01 kappa exiting on signal 15 |
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| 00:54.34 | displaced | huh? |
| 00:54.52 | unlink | that's syslog exiting |
| 00:54.57 | displaced | ok, so where does it start the shutdown? |
| 00:55.10 | unlink | Dec 17 03:27:56 kappa shutdown[7517]: shutting down for system halt |
| 00:55.38 | displaced | so something is issuing a shutdown? |
| 00:55.39 | raf256 | hello, how to use IRDA? |
| 00:55.42 | scanwinder | can someone direct me to some software which will allow me to meter downloads for my house |
| 00:55.49 | unlink | displaced: i did. |
| 00:55.52 | raf256 | Bus 003 Device 005: ID 066f:4200 SigmaTel, Inc. STIr4200 IrDA Bridge whats next? |
| 00:55.58 | unlink | displaced: i rebooted it to service the hardware. |
| 00:56.01 | raf256 | I want to download data from my cellphone.. |
| 00:56.05 | unlink | (well, halted it) |
| 00:56.20 | displaced | and that's the last entry is where you serviced it? |
| 00:56.33 | unlink | yes |
| 00:56.42 | displaced | but it's running? |
| 00:56.55 | unlink | it's not running debian right now |
| 00:57.09 | displaced | how does it boot at all without making entries into syslog? |
| 00:57.21 | unlink | there's a very small linux image burned into ROM |
| 00:57.34 | displaced | is something redirecting standout? |
| 00:57.42 | unlink | what? |
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| 00:58.04 | displaced | even with a small image, it should write an error log of some type |
| 00:58.13 | displaced | where is it storing it? |
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| 00:58.20 | displaced | and can you check it? |
| 00:58.42 | unlink | ohh |
| 00:58.53 | unlink | sorry, the thing i'm debugging is on a hard disk. |
| 00:59.02 | unlink | the thing i'm telnet'd into is in ROM. |
| 00:59.05 | displaced | if it's running straight in ram, i bet it storing everything in ram and you have no record of what's going on when you reboot |
| 00:59.07 | unlink | the kernel for both is in ROM. |
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| 00:59.42 | displaced | hmmm |
| 00:59.42 | unlink | the regular system (running debian) is on the hard disk |
| 00:59.42 | displaced | brb |
| 01:00.03 | jovans | i have the impression that my debian etc works too slowly because the reaction time |
| 01:00.17 | jovans | i not ok |
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| 01:02.02 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 01:02.26 | rahul | erm |
| 01:02.29 | rahul | jovans |
| 01:02.36 | jojogohome | ?? |
| 01:02.40 | rahul | misfire :P |
| 01:02.53 | jojogohome | :) |
| 01:02.55 | rahul | hope it didn't hit your heart :) |
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| 01:03.06 | jojogohome | `````` |
| 01:03.07 | rahul | jovans: how are your reaction times? |
| 01:03.19 | jovans | ;) |
| 01:03.40 | raf256 | how to use IRDA? |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | apt-cache search irda |
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| 01:03.58 | artichoke | what do i have to install to be able to telnet / ftp from one box on my home network to another? or what should i read to know the best debian solution? |
| 01:04.11 | rahul | artichoke: why telnet / ftp? |
| 01:04.14 | raf256 | abrotman: no shit. I ment more like a howto, the google was not too helpfull. |
| 01:04.21 | ApEtc | artichoke: Good solution is ssh and scp/sftp. |
| 01:04.22 | jovans | ok when i am loggin in in gnome it takes 45 minutes one....when i am opening nautilus it takes 15 minutes and so on.... |
| 01:04.22 | rahul | artichoke: rlogin and rcp are often better |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | i think there's a howto at tldp |
| 01:04.37 | raf256 | more exacly, I have a IRDA on USB. after connectiong it and modprobe irda-usb should I see it in ifconfig -a? because I dont |
| 01:04.45 | rahul | jovans: that's what happens when you use bloatware |
| 01:04.46 | jovans | that is not normal |
| 01:04.59 | jovans | bloatware? |
| 01:05.00 | artichoke | ok i'll read up on those apps ... |
| 01:05.11 | raf256 | jovans: perhaps you blocked localhost -> localhost connections on firewall. |
| 01:05.19 | muhoo | i vaguely remember a good quick guide to building a foo chroot with fakeroot |
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| 01:05.19 | olskolirc | ? |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/index.html |
| 01:05.23 | olskolirc | i |
| 01:05.25 | olskolirc | ? |
| 01:05.27 | olskolirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.36 | PerfDave | artichoke: Use SSH and SFTP. Much more secure and better than FTP and Telnet |
| 01:05.47 | olskolirc | i downloaded bash3 and when i do bash -version it says 2.05 |
| 01:05.47 | muhoo | i.e. i'm on a woody box and i have a need to build a complete chroot enviornment to build etch packages, but without using su |
| 01:05.50 | jovans | oh |
| 01:05.54 | olskolirc | help me please get bash3 |
| 01:05.54 | rahul | PerfDave: he's on his LOCAL network |
| 01:06.00 | PerfDave | rahul: And? |
| 01:06.13 | abrotman | it's good practice! |
| 01:06.15 | olskolirc | it says bash3 is in /bin/bash3 |
| 01:06.20 | rahul | PerfDave: why do you need to encrypt your own data from yourself? |
| 01:06.37 | muhoo | correction, i'm on a sarge box and i need to set up an etch build platform in a chroot with fakeroot |
| 01:06.37 | PerfDave | rahul: Or from anything else on your home network |
| 01:06.51 | rahul | PerfDave: like what? it's his network |
| 01:06.53 | muhoo | i did it years ago on woody to build sarge packages, but i didn't write down how and i've since forgotten |
| 01:06.54 | jovans | it is tru that dash has perofrmance benefits eg bash? |
| 01:06.57 | PerfDave | rahul: For now |
| 01:07.01 | raf256 | abrotman: that howto sucks. |
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| 01:07.10 | PerfDave | rahul: There's also the convenience benefits of key authentication etc. |
| 01:07.23 | olskolirc | i can't /msg dpkg? |
| 01:07.27 | rahul | PerfDave: well, you can use kerberos with rlogin :) |
| 01:07.43 | abrotman | raf256: then find a better one .. you know how to use google .. get going |
| 01:07.49 | artichoke | well i need to know how to set up the network so the computers can see each other. do i just put entries for local ip addresses in /etc/network/interfaces on both linux boxes? |
| 01:08.02 | PerfDave | artichoke: Or set up DHCP on your network |
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| 01:08.10 | PerfDave | rahul: And that's easier than just installing SSH, right? |
| 01:08.11 | raf256 | ok I do not see the IRDA in ifconfig -a even though I see it in lsusb... why> |
| 01:08.21 | rahul | PerfDave: shurg, heh |
| 01:08.22 | abrotman | is it a network device ? |
| 01:08.37 | rahul | PerfDave: but there's always .rhosts :) |
| 01:08.41 | PerfDave | raf256: lsusb just shows devices connected to your USB bus. ifconfig shows interfaces recognised by your kernel. |
| 01:09.08 | rahul | raf256: irda is not a networking protocol |
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| 01:09.17 | raf256 | PerfDave: so that device is not recognised? Bus 003 Device 005: ID 066f:4200 SigmaTel, Inc. STIr4200 IrDA Bridge |
| 01:09.22 | raf256 | rahul: it is |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | no |
| 01:09.31 | rahul | raf256: no, it's not |
| 01:09.32 | raf256 | rahul: at least thats what modprobe stated. |
| 01:09.44 | raf256 | adding new net protocol number something |
| 01:09.46 | rahul | raf256: where does it state that? |
| 01:09.52 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:09.54 | rahul | eh? |
| 01:10.00 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 01:10.02 | Guerin | irda is a netwoprk protocol in the same way usb is |
| 01:10.05 | raf256 | hmm I will check again after reboot; yes dmesg |
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| 01:10.20 | Guerin | it can be USED for networking if you try REALLY hard |
| 01:10.26 | muhoo | hmm, sbuild looks like it *might* do what i want... |
| 01:10.40 | Guerin | not hard enough, though |
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| 01:11.21 | raf256 | anyway... |
| 01:11.22 | muhoo | aha! debootstrap.... i think |
| 01:11.42 | raf256 | if I see usb name "ID 066f:4200 SigmaTel, Inc. STIr4200 IrDA Bridge" but I do not see it in ifconfig it means that this device is useless? |
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| 01:12.12 | PerfDave | raf256: It might make a good paperweight |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | ifconfig will only show it if it has been assigned a network interface |
| 01:12.23 | raf256 | grr |
| 01:12.26 | raf256 | ifconfig -a |
| 01:12.43 | displaced | well? |
| 01:12.44 | raf256 | abrotman: so is there a command I should call to "make ifconfig see it"? |
| 01:12.53 | olskolirc | what is the best terminal to use |
| 01:12.59 | olskolirc | im using konsole |
| 01:13.03 | rahul | eew |
| 01:13.03 | olskolirc | is there better? |
| 01:13.05 | raf256 | airport terminal. |
| 01:13.08 | rahul | olskolirc: aterm is decent |
| 01:13.17 | olskolirc | ok |
| 01:13.17 | rahul | no, airport terminals aren't good yet |
| 01:13.19 | mutante_ | i am looking for an FTP or HTTP link that lets me navigate a complete unpacked /usr/share/man directory with all the .gz files of (all) debian stable packages |
| 01:13.19 | raf256 | Konsole is very fine X-term. go aterm for simplicity, |
| 01:13.20 | olskolirc | anything else |
| 01:13.26 | mutante_ | but it seems to be pretty hard |
| 01:13.29 | rahul | I'm not done rewriting their software |
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| 01:13.40 | abrotman | olskolirc: is there anything wrong with konsole ? |
| 01:13.42 | rahul | konsole isn't fine. it's wacky. |
| 01:13.51 | PerfDave | Konsole's awesome |
| 01:13.58 | rahul | wtf. |
| 01:14.00 | raf256 | so, after attaching IRDA to USB and doing modprobe irda-usb should I do something more to see it in ifconfig -a ? |
| 01:14.04 | olskolirc | i installed bash3 abrotman and it still says bash 2.05 |
| 01:14.05 | abrotman | apologist! |
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| 01:14.12 | abrotman | olskolirc: did you run bash3 ? |
| 01:14.19 | olskolirc | yes |
| 01:14.31 | olskolirc | at that prompt i just typed: bash3 |
| 01:14.33 | olskolirc | is that it |
| 01:14.45 | rahul | raf256: why do you get the impression it should be in ifconfig? |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | nothing happened ? |
| 01:14.45 | olskolirc | nope |
| 01:14.56 | abrotman | maybe it crashed ? |
| 01:14.56 | olskolirc | then i typed: bash -version and it says bash 2.05 |
| 01:14.58 | raf256 | rahul: its what the docs pointed to me by abrotman stated |
| 01:15.10 | olskolirc | ionno |
| 01:15.14 | raf256 | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/infrared-howto-s-irda-usb.html "In this example the device is irda1. You may check this with ifconfig, too:" |
| 01:15.21 | olskolirc | i'll uninstall and reinstall it |
| 01:15.27 | olskolirc | and check out that aterm |
| 01:15.34 | muhoo | ok, i'm trying to run debootstrap under fakeroot... let's see how it goes |
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| 01:15.45 | rahul | raf256: did you load all the modules it indicates there? |
| 01:16.00 | raf256 | well which modules I should go for? I did modprobe usb-irda so far |
| 01:16.01 | rahul | muhoo: "under fakeroot"? |
| 01:16.17 | rahul | raf256: I dunno. it says nothing else? |
| 01:16.31 | rahul | muhoo: it might get confused when you get out of fakeroot |
| 01:16.43 | artichoke | perfdave ok i've installed the dhcp .deb, now what do i read to know how to use it? |
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| 01:16.59 | PerfDave | artichoke: "the dhcp .deb"? |
| 01:17.05 | muhoo | rahul: i.e. "/usr/bin/fakeroot debootstrap sarge /usr/scratch/etch-eventually" |
| 01:17.20 | rahul | muhoo: yeah, that's kinda strange... |
| 01:17.28 | artichoke | perfdave yes synaptic found a .deb for dhcp server. |
| 01:17.35 | rahul | muhoo: hey.. maybe it'll work |
| 01:17.42 | muhoo | we'll soon find out :-) |
| 01:17.46 | raf256 | rahul: no |
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| 01:18.37 | PerfDave | artichoke: You're installing .debs by hand? |
| 01:18.46 | abrotman | it's the RPM way! |
| 01:19.14 | artichoke | perfdave i told synaptic to do it. doesn't feel like "by hand" to me! |
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| 01:19.55 | artichoke | did i install the wrong thing? is there an easier way? |
| 01:20.16 | CLucas_ | i installed xorg but xorgconfig didnt get installed on my computer |
| 01:20.18 | rahul | artichoke: you're just using a strange way of describing it |
| 01:20.22 | CLucas_ | im running on the unstable branch |
| 01:20.30 | abrotman | artichoke: you did fine |
| 01:20.37 | rahul | CLucas_: what made you think it would be instaled? |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | CLucas_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 01:20.42 | Dewi | artichoke: I think you're just confusing people by calling pacakges '.debs' even though you're not actually interacting with .deb files |
| 01:20.49 | Dewi | :) |
| 01:20.56 | artichoke | ok i remember when i did ... |
| 01:21.06 | CLucas_ | rahul: because it should be? |
| 01:21.34 | rahul | CLucas_: nope. |
| 01:21.35 | CLucas_ | abrotman: ah thank you |
| 01:21.40 | CLucas_ | rahul: really? |
| 01:21.44 | rahul | CLucas_: really |
| 01:21.54 | CLucas_ | the only way i can do it is through what abrotman said? |
| 01:22.00 | abrotman | it's the recommended way |
| 01:22.04 | CLucas_ | i see |
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| 01:22.07 | CLucas_ | alright |
| 01:22.07 | Guerin | don't use xorgconfig |
| 01:22.08 | rahul | CLucas_: that's the only way you installed, and it's the debian way (tm) |
| 01:22.11 | Dewi | CLucas_: it's the debian way |
| 01:22.19 | CLucas_ | alright alright |
| 01:22.35 | rahul | CLucas_: if you bypass the debian stuff, debian won't know what you did. |
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| 01:22.49 | CLucas_ | rahul: i see |
| 01:22.54 | artichoke | so ok it's installed, so now how do i see the other box now? by the way it's running windows XP at the moment. |
| 01:23.05 | Dewi | CLucas_: and then you upgrade a package and it gets confused, or whatever |
| 01:23.18 | CLucas_ | makes sense |
| 01:23.22 | Dewi | CLucas_: you are always free to do things the non-debian-way but it might get confused later |
| 01:23.44 | rahul | cats? |
| 01:24.01 | Dewi | karsten: a new widget set featuring a lot of cats? |
| 01:24.40 | krazykit | it'd be CTK, the Cat ToolKit |
| 01:24.47 | jgalt | how does debian load the iptables firewall rules from init? |
| 01:25.03 | Dewi | krazykit: easier to just retroactively change "tk" to mean "toolkitten" |
| 01:25.28 | rahul | jgalt: it doesn't. unless you install ipmasq |
| 01:25.35 | Dewi | and rename "qt" to be "Q.T. McWhiskers." |
| 01:25.55 | karsten | Dewi: I'm just trying to figure out whether or not this qualifies for the UUOC award: http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/index.html?view=1161154607937.jpg |
| 01:25.59 | karsten | Dewi: cat in a pipe |
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| 01:26.36 | jgalt | rahul: so I must load the tables manually? |
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| 01:26.38 | TGPO | LMAO @ de cats |
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| 01:26.56 | Dewi | karsten: I think you killed my workplace's internet connection. we only have 512 down here |
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| 01:27.12 | Dewi | karsten: and I was streaming 192kbps mp3s from home |
| 01:27.21 | Dewi | ... over samba. |
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| 01:29.00 | abrotman | Dewi: why are you at work ? |
| 01:29.53 | Dewi | abrotman: because it's 11:29 AM |
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| 01:30.05 | abrotman | gah ... foreigners! |
| 01:30.17 | Dewi | :P |
| 01:30.25 | Dewi | abrotman: what a horrific prospect |
| 01:30.26 | rahul | heh |
| 01:30.26 | karsten | Dewi: Heh. |
| 01:30.38 | Dewi | abrotman: I'm Australian. |
| 01:30.46 | abrotman | Dewi: i see that now |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | Dewi: do you collect sheep too ? |
| 01:31.05 | Dewi | that's Guerin's dept |
| 01:31.13 | karsten | abrotman: It's a vicious rumor that Aussies collect sheep. |
| 01:31.18 | karsten | abrotman: They're allocated them at birth. |
| 01:31.19 | Guerin | abrotman: they're selling theirs off right now because they can't afford them |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:31.54 | Dewi | speaking of working, too much coffee is never enough. bbl. |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | has anyone actually freaking tried a dist-upgrade from sarge ? |
| 01:32.17 | Guerin | abrotman: i have anecdotal accoutns which say it worked |
| 01:32.17 | Dewi | abrotman: not for 9 months or so |
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| 01:32.27 | abrotman | Guerin: bullshit |
| 01:32.28 | Guerin | but i think perf failed to do it without breakage |
| 01:32.30 | Dewi | abrotman: it wasn't flawless then, and I doubt it will be now |
| 01:32.35 | Dewi | abrotman: until release day :) |
| 01:32.50 | abrotman | oh ffs .. at least X should upgrade :) |
| 01:32.53 | Dewi | there were issues with xorg and hotplug/udev type stuff |
| 01:32.55 | abrotman | or xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:33.10 | Dewi | abrotman: I think you should be able to get around with apt-fu |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | Dewi: no kidding .. you think ? |
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| 01:34.25 | limpio | hi all, does anybody know how to eliminate the title bar in blackbox? |
| 01:34.35 | karsten | !sunday |
| 01:34.36 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 01:34.43 | Dewi | I'm just assuming (hoping?) that there is somebody in the project assigned to smoothing out upgrade issues before etch ships |
| 01:34.56 | abrotman | limpio: there's a #blackbox |
| 01:35.01 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: consider yourself assigned. |
| 01:35.24 | limpio | abrotman, i just came from there, as usual, complete silence! |
| 01:35.26 | abrotman | well .. the bug i hit has already been filed |
| 01:35.30 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I'd love to think I'd be good at such a job, but I'd probably suck |
| 01:35.50 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: doesn't really matter; you do installs, you test the upgrade paths, and file bugs when they fail. |
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| 01:36.16 | dondelelcaro | in fact, the primarily requirement is time. |
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| 01:36.36 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I don't work at a university |
| 01:36.56 | Dewi | :) |
| 01:36.57 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: so? |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | Dewi: neither do i .. i'm testing it :) |
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| 01:37.19 | abrotman | that's right .. i'm trying to help .. someone write this down somewhere |
| 01:37.20 | Guerin | i would if I had a box to test |
| 01:37.28 | Dewi | abrotman: pfft. you're testing testing? |
| 01:37.29 | abrotman | qemu ? |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | Dewi: i'm testing upgrades from sarge to etch |
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| 01:37.43 | Dewi | abrotman: what you're meant to do is run it in production and then come in here and wail about bugs |
| 01:37.52 | Dewi | ... like I do :) |
| 01:38.10 | linux_jones | why is there no place to download kernel headers-2.6.17 |
| 01:38.16 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 01:38.16 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 01:38.43 | abrotman | linux_jones: that kernel isn't currently available .. sarge has 2.6.8 and etch/sid have 2.6.18 |
| 01:39.07 | linux_jones | abrotman, then how did i end up with it? |
| 01:39.10 | olskolirc | i uninstalled bash3, updatedb, reinstalled bash3 with dpkg this time and it still says: GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu) |
| 01:39.22 | abrotman | linux_jones: you used old install media ? |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | or RC1 netinst |
| 01:40.00 | linux_jones | ya, netinstall, ndiswrapper only works in 386? |
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| 01:40.40 | abrotman | afaik .. ndiswrapper is for windows drivers |
| 01:41.58 | CLucas_ | im having trouble running iceweasel |
| 01:42.01 | CLucas_ | :-/ |
| 01:42.08 | linux_jones | is that true? |
| 01:42.08 | abrotman | why is that ? |
| 01:42.16 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper |
| 01:42.16 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is, like, a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 01:42.47 | CLucas_ | can someone tell me what i should do if iceweasel wont start? |
| 01:42.57 | abrotman | checked the bts ? |
| 01:43.03 | CLucas_ | bts? |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | !btssmite CLucas_ |
| 01:43.20 | CLucas_ | ah |
| 01:43.38 | CLucas_ | oh ok its all good now |
| 01:43.53 | CLucas_ | i just did apt-get install iceweasel instead of apt-get install firefox |
| 01:43.55 | Dewi | it's amazing how fast they get things working once abrotman pulls out the chainsaw |
| 01:44.03 | CLucas_ | :P |
| 01:44.25 | edju | Running etch, and all of a sudden, I cannot mount or play dvds. CDs are fine, though. I fear a hardware failure, but thought I'd check if anyone can suggest some software solution I might try. |
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| 01:44.41 | abrotman | you don't mount them IIRC |
| 01:44.58 | Nibbier | edju, i doubt its hw failiure |
| 01:45.09 | linux_jones | so am i correct in thinking that ndiswrapper only works with 386? |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:45.33 | linux_jones | damn |
| 01:45.46 | abrotman | why? |
| 01:46.24 | hatezilla | hey guys, i majorly fucked my box when trying to upgrade from sarge to etch. i was getting locale errors and SSH packages were failing, which i've seemed to fix. problem is now - i'm getting another error for ssh. can anyone help? |
| 01:46.33 | linux_jones | mine is 686 |
| 01:46.37 | edju | Nibbier, Really? Good. Where do I go from here? /dev symlinks are good, perms are good, etc. I'm out of ideas. |
| 01:46.58 | hatezilla | i'm getting ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openssh-client_1%3a4.3p2-7_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 01:47.02 | hatezilla | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.02 | Nibbier | whats the errormsg? |
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| 01:47.18 | hatezilla | it does that for both the ssh packages |
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| 01:47.56 | abrotman | !tell hatezilla about overwrite |
| 01:48.32 | hatezilla | hrm |
| 01:48.39 | edju | Nibbier, "no medium found" |
| 01:48.39 | hatezilla | thank you i will try that |
| 01:48.41 | sng | Dear abrotman. Suck less. PLSKTHX. Love, sng. |
| 01:48.53 | abrotman | sng: some people like me! |
| 01:49.04 | sng | abrotman: People who don't know you? |
| 01:49.19 | abrotman | well .. yes/no |
| 01:49.23 | hatezilla | http://rafb.net/paste/results/1faiHS65.html <--- there's the full stack |
| 01:49.24 | sng | Yay! |
| 01:49.26 | hatezilla | if anyone cares |
| 01:49.33 | magyar | etch is frozen seince 11-th, meaning only security patches and critical stuff ? |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | !tell hatezilla about overwrite |
| 01:49.51 | abrotman | magyar: fixes |
| 01:49.56 | magyar | ahh |
| 01:50.11 | hatezilla | thax abrotman im trying that right now |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | hatezilla: also might be a solution in bugs.debian.org somewhere |
| 01:50.54 | hatezilla | all this because i want to run ruby 1.8.4 and mongrel :/ |
| 01:51.01 | hatezilla | at least its sunday |
| 01:51.02 | hatezilla | heh |
| 01:51.11 | sussudio | !permasunday |
| 01:51.12 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 01:51.18 | hatezilla | :) |
| 01:51.37 | hatezilla | and i only have one paying client hosted on my box right now |
| 01:51.42 | hatezilla | that i told i'm upgrading the server |
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| 01:54.06 | abrotman | Dewi: just because you went to work early! |
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| 01:54.23 | abrotman | my sarge->etch upgrade went so poorly that i no longer have X :) |
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| 01:54.58 | unlink | my sarge->etch upgrade went so poorly that my system no longer boots |
| 01:55.01 | hatezilla | :/ |
| 01:55.05 | hatezilla | oh great |
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| 01:55.38 | amphi | unlink: strange - mine went fine - what is the problem? |
| 01:55.47 | unlink | i have no idea. |
| 01:56.01 | unlink | my system has no console |
| 01:56.21 | abrotman | /dev/console ? |
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| 01:56.36 | unlink | no console, terminal, serial ports or anything else |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | does it blink ? |
| 01:56.51 | unlink | in short, i have to cross my fingers and hope i can log in |
| 01:57.03 | PerfDave | Sounds like a udev problem |
| 01:57.06 | unlink | well, it shows every sign of a running system in terms of LEDs |
| 01:57.07 | Supaplex | is the system nearby? |
| 01:57.25 | unlink | but there are no log messages generated or anything |
| 01:57.30 | unlink | udev is not installed |
| 01:57.52 | PerfDave | Debian is clearly turning into Ubuntu :( |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | i think mine was because of the already-filed-bug |
| 01:58.12 | Supaplex | lots of churn in etch |
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| 01:59.12 | unlink | Supaplex: yes |
| 01:59.18 | hatezilla | ugh |
| 01:59.26 | hatezilla | why is it installing mysql 5 when i had 4.1 previously? |
| 01:59.36 | artichoke | which file governs whether a box is accepting connections and on which port? |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | i think mysql4 is out of etch now |
| 02:00.01 | hatezilla | at least you guys know whats going on :) |
| 02:00.04 | PerfDave | artichoke: There's no one file |
| 02:00.06 | hatezilla | i'd be lost without the help, thanks a lot |
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| 02:00.15 | abrotman | i see only 5.0 |
| 02:01.30 | hatezilla | greaaat |
| 02:01.35 | hatezilla | now its fucking up again |
| 02:01.43 | abrotman | doing the robot ? |
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| 02:02.05 | Supaplex | unlink: have another system you can install the drive into? I take it you cannot see any post messages because there's no video card? |
| 02:02.15 | hatezilla | abrotman: got any info on this message: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jED9fk18.html |
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| 02:02.46 | abrotman | it's a dovecot issue :) |
| 02:02.59 | hatezilla | yeah i figured as much :) |
| 02:03.05 | hatezilla | ideas? |
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| 02:04.29 | abrotman | what is the Userdb line do ? |
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| 02:06.41 | hatezilla | ? |
| 02:06.56 | hatezilla | no idea unfortunately |
| 02:07.17 | abrotman | do you actually use dovecot ? |
| 02:07.20 | hatezilla | yes |
| 02:07.24 | hatezilla | although i didn't set it up |
| 02:07.29 | hatezilla | my host did when they prepped the box |
| 02:07.56 | idealm | Hi there. Has the latest Debian supported Nvidia 7700? |
| 02:09.17 | PerfDave | idealm: Debian will work with any video card, just about |
| 02:10.07 | idealm | PerfDave: I'm going to set it up. |
| 02:10.29 | centrx | Debian will work with any VGA video card, may not support advanced 3D super-charge quadrilinear anisotropic 64x anti-aliasing or something |
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| 02:12.23 | Supaplex | humm, I see that as ... a buzzword, a buzzword, another buzzword, and yup, it's a buzzword. |
| 02:12.35 | Orfeous | i am trying to install php5 with "apt-get install php5" but "apache2" wanted to be installed but i dont want to use it! i allready have apache 1.3 and it works great. how can i get rid of this apache2?? it seems that i cant continue installation of php5 if i dont install apache2.. |
| 02:12.40 | Orfeous | confused |
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| 02:13.08 | idealm | centrx: Any experience on Nvidia 7700 to share? |
| 02:14.00 | centrx | no |
| 02:14.12 | centrx | there are nvidia drivers you can use though |
| 02:14.21 | abrotman | Orfeous: which apache2 ? |
| 02:14.54 | centrx | "Open source drivers for NVIDIA nForce hardware are included in the standard Linux kernel and leading Linux distributions." |
| 02:15.14 | abrotman | the ones shipped with sarge might be too old |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 02:15.18 | dpkg | methinks sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 02:15.18 | k-man | is there a way to add a custom version number using debuild? |
| 02:15.35 | PerfDave | centrx: That's nforce, not nvidia |
| 02:15.36 | centrx | idealm, the debian package is called nvidia- something |
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| 02:16.01 | centrx | PerfDave, nforce is the name of some nvidia technology...? |
| 02:16.19 | PerfDave | centrx: nforce is a motherboard chipset made by nvidia, not the graphics chipsets |
| 02:16.24 | Orfeous | abrotman: 2.2 |
| 02:16.43 | abrotman | Orfeous: i meant .. -common or what ? |
| 02:16.47 | Orfeous | yes |
| 02:16.58 | abrotman | -common isn't anything to worry about ... |
| 02:17.02 | centrx | oh I see, it's just listed under their graphics drivers |
| 02:17.05 | abrotman | the httpd won't actually run like that |
| 02:17.11 | idealm | centrx: anyway, thanks. |
| 02:17.40 | centrx | idealm, just find nvidia-kernel-etc package |
| 02:17.49 | centrx | it's in the debian non-free or possibly contrib repository |
| 02:17.57 | Orfeous | am i kicked if i paste 4 lines? |
| 02:18.03 | PerfDave | Orfeous: Probably |
| 02:18.10 | Orfeous | ok.. |
| 02:18.17 | PerfDave | Of course, if you're going to use the nVidia binary drivers, make sure you don't have a remote-exploitable root hole or anything! |
| 02:18.19 | Eisbar | Hi, I upgraded last week from sarge to etch, everything sems to be fine except for my windowmaker, the key binding no longer work, any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 02:18.20 | PerfDave | !paste |
| 02:18.20 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 02:18.40 | Orfeous | http://paste.biz/paste-200.html |
| 02:18.42 | PerfDave | Eisbar: How did it work before? |
| 02:18.43 | abrotman | !perfdave |
| 02:18.53 | PerfDave | !afo |
| 02:18.53 | dpkg | abrotman for ops! |
| 02:18.56 | Eisbar | yeap |
| 02:19.05 | Orfeous | abrotman: check that.. |
| 02:19.09 | Eisbar | I don't know it was automatic |
| 02:19.17 | Eisbar | I never had to do anything for it to work |
| 02:19.20 | PerfDave | Eisbar: What do you mean? |
| 02:19.25 | Orfeous | that is what i get if i type "apt-get install php5" |
| 02:19.31 | abrotman | Orfeous: that's installing an apache module |
| 02:19.38 | idealm | centrx: let me try to find it out. |
| 02:19.42 | abrotman | Orfeous: what do you actually want? php5-cgi ? |
| 02:19.48 | Orfeous | abrotman: i just wanna install php5 not apache2 :D |
| 02:19.50 | abrotman | Orfeous: you want a /usr/bin/php5 ? |
| 02:20.07 | abrotman | erm .. php5-cli |
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| 02:20.24 | Orfeous | want to use php5 instead of php4 |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | Orfeous: what do youw ant to do with php5 ? |
| 02:20.31 | abrotman | with what? apache or what ? |
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| 02:20.40 | Orfeous | apache 1.3 |
| 02:20.47 | Eisbar | PerfDave, I used to be able to switch workspaces (alt + number) or windows, (alt + tab), now it does nothing |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | apt-get install libapache-mod-php5 |
| 02:21.04 | PerfDave | Eisbar: Maybe the default keybindings have changed with the newer version of windowmaker? |
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| 02:21.44 | Eisbar | not likely |
| 02:21.50 | Orfeous | abrotman: thanks.. but what packages is requried for php5 to be used? |
| 02:21.57 | abrotman | Orfeous: i just told you :) |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | Orfeous: that will install the apache1.3 module for php5 |
| 02:22.12 | Orfeous | abrotman: is that the only one? |
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| 02:22.20 | abrotman | try it and see! |
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| 02:22.34 | rgsteele_home | Hm. I'm using ntpdate in a cronjob, but it keeps setting the hardware clock to GMT...I'm actually GMT -5....any suggestions as to how I can tweak it? |
| 02:22.46 | PerfDave | Eisbar: Try asking #windowmaker or something |
| 02:22.53 | keram | hey |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:22.59 | keram | i'm getting this error on apt-get update |
| 02:23.00 | keram | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:23.00 | keram | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 02:23.19 | Orfeous | abrotman: thank you!!! |
| 02:23.24 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: UTC=no |
| 02:23.28 | Orfeous | abrotman: now my infopage says "PHP Version 5.2.0-7" |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | keram: /topic |
| 02:23.32 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:23.34 | frex | I need help: root terminal was started without authentication error |
| 02:23.37 | PerfDave | Hmm, a Sarge->Etch dist-upgrade in screen is entertaining when it removes screen... |
| 02:23.41 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: hwclock says ? |
| 02:23.44 | keram | oh hey |
| 02:23.45 | frex | what does this mean and how do I fix it? |
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| 02:24.16 | Eisbar | thanks PerfDave |
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| 02:24.57 | frex | does anyone know this? |
| 02:25.10 | kaudio | how can i see whois download something heavy in my LAN ? |
| 02:25.33 | frex | I need help: root terminal was started without authentication error |
| 02:25.34 | pingu | kaudio: ntop on your router maybe? |
| 02:26.37 | frex | does anyone know? |
| 02:26.39 | keram | when i do /dpkg 2006 key |
| 02:26.46 | abrotman | Orfeous: you're welcome |
| 02:26.47 | keram | it gives me a command to enter to update the etch keys |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | keram: yes |
| 02:26.57 | keram | but when i run it, apt-get update still gives me the warning |
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| 02:27.56 | abrotman | did you isntall debian-keyring-package ? |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | erm .. debian-archive-keyring :) |
| 02:28.23 | keram | no but i am installing it right now |
| 02:28.33 | frex | I need help: root terminal was started without authentication error |
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| 02:28.49 | keram | woho it works now |
| 02:28.52 | keram | many thanks |
| 02:28.58 | Hertell | hello all! |
| 02:30.01 | abrotman | Danamania: what's your PCU ? |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | CPU also |
| 02:30.04 | Hertell | does debian have a startup-script where i could add stuff that i want to start during boot? |
| 02:30.12 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 02:30.12 | dpkg | [rc.local] the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 02:30.27 | Danamania | abrotman: it's powerpc - on a PPC603e |
| 02:30.58 | Hertell | I want to run this after a boot: grub-set-default 0 |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | Danamania: linux-image-2.6-powerpc |
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| 02:32.41 | Hertell | anyone...? |
| 02:33.12 | abrotman | you can just set that in the menu.lst ? |
| 02:33.14 | Supaplex | Hertell: what'd dpkg just say? |
| 02:33.18 | Hertell | dpkg: sorry.. did not notice.. |
| 02:33.39 | Hertell | darn.. too tired ;-) it's 4:30 am :-) |
| 02:34.12 | abrotman | see .. more aussies! |
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| 02:34.58 | Danamania | abrotman: out of curiosity, do you know if this is this an issue with upgrading that shouldn't have happened, or just a bit of a quirk in going sarge->etch atm? |
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| 02:35.40 | Hertell | dpkg: thanks! that sorted it out. bootmisc.sh was the correct answer! :-) |
| 02:35.40 | dpkg | Hertell: gern geschehen |
| 02:35.49 | abrotman | Danamania: i'm having all kinds of issues dist-upgrading |
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| 02:36.36 | frex | I need help: root terminal was started without authentication error |
| 02:36.48 | Danamania | ahh. good to know. issues I can handle, but issues when I'm the only one having problems are worse :) |
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| 02:38.03 | Hertell | does anyone have any clue when etch will be released as stable? |
| 02:38.15 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 02:38.15 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 02:40.14 | Dewi | Hertell: <rumour> could still be a month away, but sooner is possible</rumour> |
| 02:40.23 | Hertell | Yess! A freeze! :-) |
| 02:40.43 | Hertell | that says that it's on it's way .-) |
| 02:41.09 | Dewi | Hertell: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 02:42.00 | Dewi | Hertell: that green thing has to get "close to zero" |
| 02:42.16 | Hertell | yup.. |
| 02:42.23 | Supaplex | they look great in lynx! |
| 02:42.31 | Dewi | Supaplex: bah :) |
| 02:42.42 | Dewi | Supaplex: ye've still got the numbers |
| 02:42.50 | Dewi | Supaplex: for today anyway |
| 02:42.59 | Supaplex | *nod* |
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| 02:44.43 | frex | why does no one answer my question??? |
| 02:44.59 | abrotman | you asked a question ? |
| 02:45.02 | ajehuk | frex - what was your question? |
| 02:45.04 | frex | yep |
| 02:45.06 | frex | I need help: root terminal was started without authentication error |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | does it work ? |
| 02:45.32 | frex | terminal starts if that's what you mean |
| 02:45.38 | frex | but without asking for password |
| 02:46.09 | Supaplex | xterm? |
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| 02:46.28 | frex | yes xterm |
| 02:46.30 | ajehuk | frex - are you actually seeing an errormessage? |
| 02:46.42 | Dewi | frex: who are you running it as? |
| 02:47.27 | frex | ajehuk: yes, it was something like "root terminal was started without authentication..." |
| 02:47.43 | frex | Dewi: running as a normal user |
| 02:47.48 | Supaplex | what did you do before that happened? |
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| 02:48.04 | Dewi | frex: how are you starting it to make it log in as root? |
| 02:48.26 | frex | Dewi: error came when starting the "Root Terminal" under Gnome |
| 02:48.29 | ajehuk | frex - is it a persistant problem i.e. does it still occur after you loog oout and back in / reboot? |
| 02:48.53 | frex | ajehuk: no, it's not persistant, but it has happened once before |
| 02:49.33 | ajehuk | are you caching credentials when you are running a gksu (Im not too up on gksu - Im not a Gnome user) |
| 02:49.35 | frex | strange, is this a vulnerability?? |
| 02:49.40 | ajehuk | frex ^^ |
| 02:49.45 | frex | ??? |
| 02:49.48 | ajehuk | sorry |
| 02:50.09 | abrotman | freespace: which versnio of debian ? |
| 02:50.20 | frex | ajehuk: caching credentials? I don't know what you mean. How to check? How to adjust? |
| 02:50.31 | freespace | abrotman: huh? |
| 02:50.36 | frex | ajehuk: what means ^^?? |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | did something else recently ask you for root password ? |
| 02:50.58 | frex | abrotman: no, nothing recently asked for root password |
| 02:51.08 | abrotman | recently could be an hour ago |
| 02:51.26 | ajehuk | frex - could you log out and back in for a mooment? |
| 02:51.38 | frex | abrotman: not even two hours ago, nothing |
| 02:51.45 | frex | ajehuk: okay, will do that |
| 02:51.47 | Supaplex | !de |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | i heard de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 02:52.55 | abrotman | god .. what a mess |
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| 02:53.27 | ajehuk | frex - welcome back - could you now run the following (alt+F2 gets you a prompt) gksu xterm - and then just tell me if the "Save for this session " radio button is ticked, when the GKSUU form appears. |
| 02:53.32 | frex | Hi, I'm back |
| 02:54.03 | ajehuk | frex -In case you missed it - welcome back - could you now run the following (alt+F2 gets you a prompt) gksu xterm - and then just tell me if the "Save for this session " radio button is ticked, when the GKSUU form appears. |
| 02:54.03 | Seven_Six_Two | abrotman: wouldn't it be better to only have one #debian..... |
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| 02:54.23 | frex | yes: SAVE for this session is ticked |
| 02:54.35 | ajehuk | ok can you just for now untick it |
| 02:54.51 | ajehuk | and enter the password to launch xterm as root |
| 02:55.04 | frex | ajehuk: I can't untick it, it's |
| 02:55.08 | frex | "greyed out" |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: no |
| 02:55.22 | ajehuk | can you uncheck the remember password box? |
| 02:55.32 | Seven_Six_Two | why is that? |
| 02:55.38 | frex | ajehuk: that box is unchecked |
| 02:56.05 | ajehuk | hmm - hold on for a second |
| 02:56.20 | frex | does that mean the password is being cached? |
| 02:56.28 | frex | and is that a vulnerability of some kind? |
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| 02:57.06 | ajehuk | frex - the password can be cached - that is a feature rather than a vulnerability - I have no Idea how secure that is |
| 02:57.39 | Supaplex | abrotman: having fun? :) |
| 02:57.55 | frex | ajehuk: how to stop the caching |
| 02:58.00 | Farris1 | I just migrated a client's website from one debian/apache box to another, and now a bunch of characters are showing up as "?" instead of the correct char. Any idea where I should start in figuring out how to fix it? |
| 02:58.04 | frex | ajehuk: it seems unsafe |
| 02:58.24 | frex | ? |
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| 02:58.39 | abrotman | Seven_Six_Two: more coverage ? |
| 02:58.46 | ajehuk | not sure - Im not a Gnome user - I wwas hoping someone else might have dropped in a suggestion, - I tthinnk its implemented within gnome rather than as a part of the OS in general (less gnome...) |
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| 02:58.56 | abrotman | my dist-upgrade totally failed |
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| 02:59.07 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Still around? |
| 02:59.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:59.22 | ajehuk | frex - sorry I cant be of more help, but I would suggest that the problem lies somewhere down this line of enquiery |
| 02:59.25 | frex | can anyone please help |
| 02:59.40 | frex | ajehuk: I would agree with you, makes sense |
| 02:59.47 | abrotman | frex: ask the maintainer if ti's normal |
| 02:59.47 | frex | but I need a fix |
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| 02:59.54 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Sorry, my Windoze laptop crashed. Anyways, my hwclock output still says it's UTC |
| 02:59.58 | frex | abrotman: who is the maintainer? |
| 02:59.58 | ajehuk | frex, #gnome might be more help - or aaddiitoinal help |
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| 03:00.06 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: that's wrong |
| 03:00.11 | abrotman | frex: of gnome-terminal |
| 03:00.16 | keram | i have a unstable system and "aptitude update" is hanging on bzip2 |
| 03:00.21 | keram | its at 99% |
| 03:00.26 | keram | and its been like that for like an hour |
| 03:00.29 | frex | you guys don't use gnome? |
| 03:00.31 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c .. do it again |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | !maint gnome-terminal |
| 03:00.42 | keram | abrotman, no change |
| 03:00.44 | dpkg | gnome-terminal: Guilherme de S. Pastore <gpastore@debian.org> |
| 03:00.49 | ajehuk | frex - I dont - others may |
| 03:00.50 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Mon 18 Dec 2006 03:00:38 AM UTC -0.154890 seconds |
| 03:00.51 | keram | abrotman, nvm, |
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| 03:00.57 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: that's wrong |
| 03:01.21 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Oh? |
| 03:01.28 | abrotman | don't yout hnik ? |
| 03:01.43 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Yep, but a "date" confirms that's what the hwclock thinks it's set to |
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| 03:02.21 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: I'm up for suggestions |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | from the DC ? |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: fix your time ? |
| 03:02.37 | MatBoy | DataCenter |
| 03:02.40 | dancingfish | is any one aware of a good site that will list issues with mailserver setup? |
| 03:02.48 | dancingfish | I cannot seem to find the one I used last time via google |
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| 03:02.52 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: I'm using an ntpdate server that's not set to utc |
| 03:03.02 | abrotman | use pool.ntp.org |
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| 03:03.31 | MatBoy | it's an industrial area there and there is happening a lot... when I came out of the building a car was driving away really fast... so the Police thought I was that guy :) |
| 03:03.59 | abrotman | it was itchi |
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| 03:04.08 | MatBoy | there was broken in somewhere, but when you want to visit that DC, bring a tank with you :) |
| 03:04.12 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 03:04.14 | rgsteele_home | 18 Dec 03:03:56 ntpdate[21848]: step time server 217.116.227.3 offset 0.512572 sec |
| 03:04.19 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 03:04.22 | abrotman | fix your clock |
| 03:04.22 | MatBoy | was it ? damn ! nice car do you have man :D |
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| 03:05.20 | MatBoy | abrotman, did ichi bring something nice for you ? |
| 03:05.29 | abrotman | no |
| 03:05.54 | MatBoy | mhh, I think he had the wrong place... it was a food-company... or he was hungry :D |
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| 03:07.31 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: I guess I'll just have to use the --adjust option and figure out how to subtract 5 hours |
| 03:08.03 | Supaplex | I'm running etch from a bare metal install, and my mouse (trackpad) isn't doing a thing. |
| 03:08.12 | Supaplex | under X |
| 03:08.13 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: are you sitting at the box ? |
| 03:08.17 | rgsteele_home | Yup |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | rgsteele_home: go into the bios .. see what the time is |
| 03:09.04 | rgsteele_home | Oh, well the box is actually downstairs...I'm just terminaled in from upstairs, so I guess my answer is no to the previous question |
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| 03:09.34 | abrotman | it would be no :) |
| 03:09.41 | rgsteele_home | heh |
| 03:09.51 | mrynit | anyone familar with FreeDOS? |
| 03:09.58 | abrotman | you can adjust the hwclock from linux |
| 03:09.59 | MatBoy | I like those BFD-mails... I can think about some nice and good names for my childeren when I have them :P |
| 03:10.02 | abrotman | mrynit: this is #debian |
| 03:10.14 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Yeah, I'm trying to take a look at those options now... |
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| 03:10.31 | mrynit | yes some one in hear suggested it too me and i was wondering if he was here. i dont remember his name |
| 03:10.42 | abrotman | how long ago ? |
| 03:10.47 | mrynit | yesterday |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | oh |
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| 03:12.07 | plundra | So, aren't you supposed to be able to install etch (current) via ftp? |
| 03:12.10 | MatBoy | FreeDos is used on UBCD :) |
| 03:12.19 | MatBoy | a lot btw |
| 03:12.19 | plundra | At no point am I asked which type of mirror I specify. |
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| 03:12.57 | TGPO | plundra start again |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | plundra: yes |
| 03:13.15 | plundra | TGPO: With what? :) |
| 03:13.17 | TGPO | plundra: what exactly is happeing |
| 03:13.42 | plundra | I am at the stage were you select a debian mirror |
| 03:13.44 | ajehuk | mrynit - Thhis for your C64 emulator? |
| 03:13.50 | mrynit | yes sir |
| 03:14.05 | TGPO | plundra: which install CD are you using ? |
| 03:14.12 | plundra | So I go to the top and selects enter information manually, but then it just askes for host:port, path and http-proxy |
| 03:14.18 | mrynit | i installed FreeDOs but the docs are really not helpful. |
| 03:14.45 | ajehuk | - wasnt me who reccomeneded it - how are you going about the install - 3 OS multiboot or are you emulating? |
| 03:14.46 | plundra | TGPO: The netboot-thingys for etch (latest on the mirror) |
| 03:15.02 | TGPO | plundra in that case your installing etch |
| 03:15.05 | plundra | TGPO: /dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ <stuff> |
| 03:15.18 | plundra | TGPO: Uhm, yeah? :) |
| 03:15.35 | TGPO | plundra: no choice needs to be made |
| 03:15.39 | mrynit | ajehuk: for some reason win98 wont install on my computer so im trying freeDOS, but freeDOS software is not working. lynx wont run |
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| 03:15.48 | plundra | TGPO: Say what? :) |
| 03:15.49 | Supaplex | how is an ibook suppose to get its mouse/trackpad working in X11? |
| 03:15.58 | MatBoy | WIll Xen be standard in Debian and fully supported from the next release ? |
| 03:16.07 | ajehuk | mrynit - did you give 98 in QEMU a try in the end? |
| 03:16.08 | plundra | TGPO: Ofcourse I need to make a choice? :D I want the local ftp-only debian-mirror to be used. |
| 03:16.37 | mrynit | not yet, how easy is it too use? |
| 03:16.39 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 03:16.39 | dpkg | it has been said that ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 03:16.55 | ajehuk | mrynit - Oh and you actually managed to monitvate me into going into my cellar and dragging the to C644's I have out to see if they still work ! - |
| 03:17.04 | plundra | TGPO: I'll just go with a regular mirror for the installation, but it hurts :-P |
| 03:17.11 | TGPO | ah you want a local mirror, not one of the current ones on the net |
| 03:17.14 | ajehuk | mrynit - QEMU is fairly easy to use |
| 03:17.20 | rgsteele_home | So, I'm still a bit confused. I can set the hwclock using `hwclock --set --date="22:14:00"` (for example), but an ntpdate wants to set it back to UTC |
| 03:17.22 | mrynit|winXP | ajehuk: lol yeah, i have a 1541 drive if you need one |
| 03:17.32 | rgsteele_home | I've check that /etc/default/ntpdate doesn't specify the -u option |
| 03:17.37 | ajehuk | mrynit|winXP : powe supplies are what I seem to be missing... |
| 03:17.45 | ajehuk | more boxes to look through |
| 03:18.03 | ajehuk | *power |
| 03:18.03 | mrynit|winXP | :( |
| 03:18.08 | TGPO | plundra: never done a local mirror, always have used either CD's or net mirror |
| 03:18.09 | mrynit|winXP | ajehuk are you in america? |
| 03:18.17 | ajehuk | mrynit|winXP - no UK |
| 03:18.37 | plundra | TGPO: Well, you should be able to pick ftp or http either way :) |
| 03:18.38 | mrynit|winXP | ajehuk http://petscii.c64dtv.co.uk/ |
| 03:18.41 | plundra | TGPO: Like before |
| 03:18.57 | mrynit|winXP | ajehuk you can hack those into fully working C64 |
| 03:19.11 | mrynit|winXP | that what im doing but with the NTSC american version |
| 03:19.20 | TGPO | plundra: I seem to remember doing that from my last install 3 days ago |
| 03:20.13 | ajehuk | mrynit|winXP - I'll stick to x86 and spark for now - If I add another pet project I'll have negative time tto ddo stuff in... :) |
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| 03:22.01 | PumpkinPie | you bought one of those retarded keyboards didn't you |
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| 03:22.36 | rgsteele_home | Anybody else have issues with ntpdate always setting to UTC and not to your timezone? |
| 03:23.00 | ajehuk | PumpkinPie : Half the time I press a key and it does nothing, the other half I manage to get two chars for one keypress, - going to have to get used to it... |
| 03:23.22 | ajehuk | shame I cant blame it for grammar too.... |
| 03:23.35 | DaeJeon-Newbie | anyone can tell me, whenever i reboot my system. i always see irqbalance -fail why? |
| 03:24.29 | ajehuk | DaeJeon-Newbie - are you running a PC with multiple CPU's? |
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| 03:24.59 | DaeJeon-Newbie | well it is a pc |
| 03:25.09 | DaeJeon-Newbie | but only one cpu |
| 03:25.31 | ajehuk | DaeJeon-Newbie : Multicore? like the new intel duo's? |
| 03:25.54 | DaeJeon-Newbie | ajehuk: p 3 |
| 03:26.14 | DaeJeon-Newbie | 900mhz |
| 03:26.32 | ajehuk | irqbalance is a daemon to balance irq's across multiple CPUs on systems - I think - and I think thats all its for so I doubt you need it installed |
| 03:28.04 | Supaplex | rgsteele_home: compare date vs date -u |
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| 03:28.19 | rgsteele_home | They're identical |
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| 03:28.38 | rgsteele_home | Ideally, I'd like to use ntpdate to keep the machine correct. |
| 03:28.42 | Supaplex | then reconfigure your timezone |
| 03:29.26 | abrotman | tzconfig |
| 03:29.30 | rgsteele_home | Yup, just did that |
| 03:29.32 | rgsteele_home | Thanks |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | any change ? |
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| 03:29.46 | Supaplex | what's /etc/timezone link to? |
| 03:29.53 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Yes |
| 03:29.56 | rgsteele_home | That fixed things |
| 03:30.04 | rgsteele_home | I guess my tz just wasn't set properly |
| 03:30.08 | Supaplex | I mean /etc/localtime |
| 03:30.16 | Supaplex | ahh cool. |
| 03:30.32 | Supaplex | but you're still in the same time here. ;) |
| 03:30.37 | rgsteele_home | abrotman: Yeah, I should have too. It's been a long weekend. :) |
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| 03:31.00 | rgsteele_home | Thanks though |
| 03:31.12 | Supaplex | yea np |
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| 03:34.10 | rgsteele_home | Ok, time for bed...one more week and then a four day weekend, woohoo. |
| 03:34.12 | rgsteele_home | Later folks |
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| 03:34.52 | muhoo | pah, no dice. fakeroot does *not* work with debootstrap |
| 03:35.09 | muhoo | chroot: cannot change root directory to /usr/scratch/etch-env: Operation not permitted |
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| 03:36.26 | muhoo | hmm, maybe i can fake it... |
| 03:36.35 | abrotman | aren't you on woody? |
| 03:36.42 | muhoo | no, sarge. |
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| 03:37.04 | muhoo | i'm building a chroot, for sarge, which i'll apt-get upgrade to etch, which is what i need in that chroot |
| 03:37.15 | muhoo | so i can build packages for an etch box |
| 03:37.42 | Supaplex | you'll have to debootstrap as real root |
| 03:37.54 | Supaplex | chroot requires real root |
| 03:38.17 | muhoo | that's what i discovered. but, i'm still looking for a way around that |
| 03:39.48 | Supaplex | why? |
| 03:40.30 | abrotman | fun? profit? |
| 03:40.48 | muhoo | the machine i'm building on is Very Important. i don't want to risk losing track of whether or not i'm chrooted and accidentally doing Bad Things to it |
| 03:41.36 | muhoo | and the target box has its disk space dedicated to other tasks. |
| 03:41.58 | Supaplex | I touch a file in / so I can check which is which. You could try user space linux (or whatever it's called) |
| 03:42.11 | muhoo | but there are some other ways around, most of which involve external USB drives or NFS roots |
| 03:42.25 | muhoo | s/NFS roots/NFS as root/ |
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| 03:44.18 | muhoo | i've botched boxes before by losing track of whether i'm editing the /etc/ files are /chroot/etc or /etc.... it was bad. |
| 03:45.23 | PumpkinPie | anyone do freelanced admin work |
| 03:45.26 | PumpkinPie | how about you muhoo? |
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| 03:46.19 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: debian.org/consultants |
| 03:46.42 | aredhel | muhoo, I set up my bash prompt to tell me which chroot I am in. |
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| 03:48.42 | ajehuk | abrotman : that should have more visability... -> debian.org/consultants |
| 03:48.51 | abrotman | perhaps |
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| 03:51.19 | LordBrain | is there a way to search my apt cache for packages with a specified tag? |
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| 03:51.53 | LordBrain | i notice when i "apt-cache show" a package it lists tags such as use::monitor |
| 03:52.14 | abrotman | LordBrain: man debtags ? |
| 03:52.24 | LordBrain | like "apt-cache show watchdog" has tags interface::daemon and use::monitor |
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| 03:53.30 | LordBrain | well, i would need to install the debtags package then i guess |
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| 03:55.17 | abrotman | probably :) |
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| 03:56.31 | jayeola | what's the name of that app that lets's you "fly thru space" in your filesystem again? |
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| 03:57.18 | Supaplex | jayeola: sounds like fun, unless you get trapped in a tar ball :P |
| 03:58.08 | jayeola | heh - i'll have to find it. good way to pass the time |
| 03:58.08 | abrotman | circular softlinks! |
| 03:58.11 | nevyn | fsviewer? |
| 03:58.18 | ajehuk | xcruise? |
| 03:58.23 | nevyn | that's the next one whcih I think is 3dish |
| 03:58.58 | nevyn | xcruise looks neat |
| 03:59.01 | jayeola | yup! xcruise :) |
| 04:02.25 | dutchfish | is there a command to watch disk i/o in realtime on the prompt? |
| 04:02.36 | abrotman | iostat |
| 04:02.46 | abrotman | you'll have to read the man page about it |
| 04:02.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx |
| 04:02.56 | dutchfish | abrotman, got that thx |
| 04:05.36 | abrotman | !moo |
| 04:05.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 04:06.27 | ajehuk | abrotman - bored?? |
| 04:06.36 | abrotman | nah |
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| 04:08.20 | LordBrain | hey, i'm looking at a bandwidth monitor program, and I see a column for TX and a column for RX, what do those stand for? |
| 04:08.38 | LordBrain | I've been googling trying to figure it out... |
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| 04:09.02 | ajehuk | TX transmitted and RX recieved |
| 04:09.37 | LordBrain | ah |
| 04:09.54 | LordBrain | upstream and downstream would have been easier |
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| 04:10.49 | ajehuk | TX and RX are pretty standard - Even when I was dealing with radio (HF not Wifi) |
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| 04:11.35 | Spork_Boy | I finally got GNUsTicker to compile and appear in my add to panel menu, but it just gives me an error. Is there something special I have to do for debian? |
| 04:12.19 | ajehuk | Spork_Boy - whats the error? |
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| 04:14.42 | RobNC | can anyone tell me how to do jidgo with cygwin on windows? |
| 04:15.25 | Spork_Boy | ajehuk: well, I kinda removed it and I'm not sure where it went (got impatient), but it was saying it couldn't parse or expand something like /apps/panel/applet_6/prefs;background=none,size=small-x |
| 04:16.02 | ajehuk | Spork_Boy - did you have any problems compiling it? |
| 04:16.09 | Spork_Boy | ajehuk: there we go: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_GNUsTicker". |
| 04:16.09 | Spork_Boy | Details: Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/profiles/default/applets/applet_11/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false |
| 04:16.40 | Spork_Boy | ajehuk: yes. many.. but they were all due to not having packages. after installing about 20 dev packages, it compiled just fine. |
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| 04:17.24 | LordBrain | yeah well... It's no big deal, but you know... car and cdr are standard lisp.. but i think even lispers recognize they're cryptic.. so it is a matter of preference, generally, progress often means deviating from standards anyway. |
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| 04:20.36 | ajehuk | looks like a mising file or value within a file - and I assume the file its expecting is the path listed in the error relative to your working directory or .gnome .kde directory... if that helps at all - I could be completley wrong but thats were I'd start looking |
| 04:22.05 | ajehuk | LordBrain : true, but upstream and downstream are pretty vague too - if taken out of context, although I guess RX and TX probably arent any clearer |
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| 04:23.23 | unlink | Supaplex: it's a different architecture from all my other machines |
| 04:26.07 | Supaplex | oh :-/ |
| 04:26.44 | unlink | if i'm connected to a directly, interface-to-interface, how do i probe it for open ports, without knowing what IP address it wants? |
| 04:27.05 | unlink | i.e., without scanning ffffffff different addresses |
| 04:27.47 | Supaplex | arping supports broadcasts. does it configure via dhcp? |
| 04:28.18 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - your going to need an address to probe - so either manually set one or see if you can get one via DHCP |
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| 04:29.26 | unlink | Supaplex: yes |
| 04:29.38 | nevyn | unlink: sniff the network and do arp probes. |
| 04:29.48 | unlink | aha |
| 04:29.49 | unlink | good idea |
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| 04:32.18 | unlink | grr, nothing |
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| 04:35.21 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - what are the two devices? |
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| 04:40.04 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: a thinkpad t60 and a kuro hg |
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| 04:44.17 | eyeris | I have an amd64 install of debian/unstable. I'm trying to get a ia32 game (Savage) running, but it cannot find libcom_err.so.2. This is obviously because there is no such library under /emul/ia32-linux. My question is, how do I install ia32 packages under /emul/ia32-linux? |
| 04:44.44 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - how are you connecting the two? crossover cable? |
| 04:44.52 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: yes (sort of) |
| 04:44.58 | ajehals-lappy | sort of? |
| 04:45.14 | unlink | it's not a crossover cable, but the NICs are smart enough to switch |
| 04:45.20 | ajehals-lappy | fair enough |
| 04:46.00 | ajehals-lappy | might be easiest to dhcpd on the laptop and see what lease is taken when you reboot the HG |
| 04:46.13 | ajehals-lappy | *to install dhcpd |
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| 04:46.31 | unlink | it didn't get any lease from my dhcp server earlier |
| 04:46.49 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - I assume the DHCP server is running on the laptop? |
| 04:46.56 | ajehals-lappy | (stupid question..) |
| 04:46.59 | unlink | no, different machine |
| 04:47.05 | unlink | (linksys wrt54gs) |
| 04:47.44 | ajehals-lappy | nice router.. I take it the HG was hooked up to that direct - or are you doing some clever bridging / forwarding? |
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| 04:48.29 | unlink | right, directly |
| 04:49.01 | ajehals-lappy | so its probably not looking for a lease or there is some other issue... |
| 04:49.33 | unlink | i think that the kuro is crashing in bootup |
| 04:49.36 | unlink | but it keeps its link on |
| 04:50.05 | buu | Ok, I've got an apache(1) process using 100% of the cpu, constantly |
| 04:50.12 | buu | Anyone have the vaugest idea how to find out why? |
| 04:50.21 | unlink | attach it to a debugger? |
| 04:50.48 | buu | I suppose. |
| 04:51.07 | ajehals-lappy | not being familiar with the kuro, can you do anything with the serial port on the thing? ie minicom and see boot messages etc? |
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| 04:51.17 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: it doesn't have one :9 |
| 04:51.28 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: that would have been my first instinct if it did, though |
| 04:51.37 | ajehals-lappy | must be looking at the wrong spec then... :) |
| 04:51.42 | ajehals-lappy | always good... |
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| 04:52.05 | buu | unlink: I used gdb to attach to it, I got the prompt, hit 'c' |
| 04:52.07 | ajehals-lappy | A ping sweep through 192.168.0.x might be one way forward |
| 04:52.08 | buu | Nothing happens. |
| 04:52.40 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: nope. |
| 04:53.10 | ajehals-lappy | ouch, well theres always a ping sweep through xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx <- kidding |
| 04:53.41 | ajehals-lappy | ahem |
| 04:53.56 | ajehals-lappy | apparently the default IP is 192.168.11.150... |
| 04:54.06 | unlink | buu: c just continues execution |
| 04:54.44 | ajehals-lappy | thats for the hg ws but it might be worth a try - thatas the dhcp failover address apparently |
| 04:54.47 | unlink | buu: look at the bt |
| 04:55.18 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: if i ping i don't even get a whohas response |
| 04:55.28 | buu | unlink: Er, how? |
| 04:55.40 | unlink | buu: (gdb) attach 1234 |
| 04:55.42 | unlink | (gdb) bt |
| 04:55.46 | buu | heh |
| 04:55.55 | buu | Now how do I make gdb unattach.. |
| 04:55.57 | ajehals-lappy | have you got ethereal / equivalent running all the time? |
| 04:56.13 | ajehals-lappy | and if so are you seeing any traffic? |
| 04:56.15 | unlink | buu: hit ctrl-d |
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| 04:56.26 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: tcpdump, and no. |
| 04:56.33 | buu | unlink: Well, no. |
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| 04:56.42 | ajehals-lappy | I assume you are seeing the traffic from the laptop though? |
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| 04:56.47 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: yes |
| 04:56.48 | buu | unlink: But the bt just shows main() as the last call. |
| 04:56.55 | unlink | eek. |
| 04:57.05 | unlink | i'm guessing this is the listener? |
| 04:57.20 | buu | I would guess so. |
| 04:57.56 | unlink | was it compiled with -O3 or -finline-functions? |
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| 04:58.42 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - another stupid question given the channel but what are you running on the HG? |
| 04:58.59 | unlink | buu: what does top(1) say the state of the process is? |
| 04:59.06 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: both are running debian-sid |
| 04:59.11 | buu | unlink: R |
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| 04:59.20 | buu | 19360 www-data 25 0 23328 15m 11m R 100 0.8 11:30.74 apache |
| 04:59.23 | buu | Specifically. |
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| 05:00.16 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - is that what was on the HG or is it something that you have thrown on? |
| 05:00.25 | mynullvoid | how can I have an entry for my bind to forward to a dynamic dns site? could I have the line to be: camone 86400 IN A mycam.ath.cx? |
| 05:00.33 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: it was working with sarge, then i "upgraded" to sid. |
| 05:01.11 | unlink | buu: is it in a deadlock, or does it accept connections? |
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| 05:02.03 | hatezilla | anyone running dovecot on testing/etch right now? |
| 05:02.15 | buu | unlink: Well, other apache's are accepting connections.. |
| 05:02.27 | ajehals-lappy | unlink :) thats close to how I bricked a wrt54g and turned my ipaq into something less than functional (for a while) - I have no furthere ideas, unless you can force a tftp server to start on the thing and reflash with a known good image of some sort.. sry |
| 05:02.49 | unlink | buu: ahh. would it be a bad idea to kill that process? |
| 05:03.05 | buu | unlink: Not really. |
| 05:03.06 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: you can't brick WRTs. you can always put them into tftpd mode and send them a fresh image |
| 05:03.19 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - thats why I said for a while |
| 05:03.22 | buu | unlink: If I kill it, it goes away and so forth, but I'd like to figure out what is causing it |
| 05:03.22 | unlink | ohh |
| 05:04.04 | unlink | buu: i'd guess some poorly tested code path in apache |
| 05:04.23 | unlink | i couldn't tell you much more than google at this point |
| 05:04.30 | buu | =/ |
| 05:04.32 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - is the OS on the thing in flash or hdd? (Sorry Im looking at a spec for what I think is the right thing but I may be well off) if its on a removable drive you may want to look at the file system / logs / config and go from there... |
| 05:04.44 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: the kernel is burned into rom |
| 05:04.44 | lowstream | Whats the best torrent program for linux ? |
| 05:05.12 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: the OS is on a hard disk. there are no logs since i've rebooted after upgrading to sid |
| 05:05.47 | ajehals-lappy | thats me outa ideas then - unless you can reflash with something that you know works and go from there, sorry. |
| 05:06.20 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - these look like rather nice little boxes though |
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| 05:06.36 | lowstream | bittorrent or qtorrent ? |
| 05:06.51 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: yeah i can try |
| 05:07.01 | unlink | i've just been trying to avoid that after configuring the box |
| 05:07.39 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - yeah I can see where your coming from - at least you should be able to keep the config elements held on the hdd, - not that that helps that much... |
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| 05:08.17 | ajehals-lappy | lowstream - I dont think there is a lot of difference to choose from - I use ktorrent, and it works.. so hey pick one |
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| 05:10.01 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - as it seems your into this kind of thing - I dont suppose you know if intimate (debnian for ipaq (arm)) is still in development? their wiki has no activity but you never know... |
| 05:13.09 | unlink | ajehals-lappy: i don't know about that. you heard of the NSLU2? |
| 05:13.58 | Rusty1 | buu: apachetop? |
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| 05:14.21 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - no I hadnt - looking at it now though |
| 05:14.53 | NodoNogard | gente |
| 05:14.53 | buu | Rusty1: Er, interesting, I guess. |
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| 05:21.11 | ajehals-lappy | unlink - I havent kept up with the development of these little NAS boxes, but they look pretty decent, - I tend to get by with older PC Hardware and spare drives, I guess the performance is probably better on a device designed to do it though - rather than an nfs server on underpowered hardware.... |
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| 05:43.19 | Miesco | WHere is kdm's config file? |
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| 05:57.27 | kritical | I considering using debian etch (mainly for vservers) I see it's currently in testing.. once etch is officially released will I have to do anything major to debian? |
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| 06:04.19 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 06:05.41 | Azar | ok whomever thinks that a "bootloader primer" gonna be fun to read: http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=674698&seqNum=1&rl=1 |
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| 06:09.34 | Farris1 | I have postfix setup on a server that is shared with over 100 domains... One of these domains has an MX record that goes to an external server. However, if I send email to that domain, postfix gives a "User unknown in local recipient table" error. |
| 06:09.46 | Farris1 | Why isn't postfix honoring the mx of that domain? |
| 06:09.59 | jair | Hey guys, if I have a dual core IBM t60p, that specs said support 64Bit OS, what options I have with Debian to test if will run the 64bit or 32bit version of sarge or etch? |
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| 06:10.53 | jair | Farris1: I will recomend you to ask at #postfix, those guys rock on mail server postfix :) |
| 06:11.16 | jair | Farris1: I use postfix but very basic stuff, still a newbie |
| 06:11.32 | Azar | jair: if it is not a full 64bit system, go for 32bit (64bit-ready is NOT a 64bit system) |
| 06:11.34 | Farris1 | jair: Yup, asking in there. It's kinda dead tonight :) |
| 06:11.39 | jair | there is a 64bit version of sarge? or etch? |
| 06:11.57 | jair | Azar: ohh ok |
| 06:12.20 | jair | Azar: have you heard the dual core processor from intel? |
| 06:12.26 | ajehals-lappy | Im back... |
| 06:12.26 | Azar | ...means that one day you can upgrade to 64bit. |
| 06:12.38 | Azar | jair, I never used intel: AMD-only |
| 06:12.39 | jair | they talk a lot about 64 bit Vista OS and other Oses |
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| 06:13.00 | Azar | jair: I could care less about Vista. I am happy with Debian |
| 06:13.04 | jair | I like AMD as well that is why I am asking around and searching about the intel one |
| 06:13.10 | jair | me too |
| 06:13.26 | jair | but the thing is this, I burn the 64bit cd of debian netinst |
| 06:13.59 | jair | Azar: and the cd does not even boot, i try like three cds, three different burners, k3b, nero, record now |
| 06:14.02 | jair | nothing |
| 06:14.15 | jair | there is anything wrong with the 64bit netinst? |
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| 06:14.32 | jair | or it will not boot if does not find a 64bit processor? |
| 06:14.42 | Azar | jair: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 06:15.01 | jair | in the machine I am talking about I installed the version 32bit and it works just fine |
| 06:15.13 | Azar | like I said: no idea about Intel dual |
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| 06:15.25 | jair | Azar: I wanted to install the version 64bit to see how it behave but it is like dead |
| 06:15.38 | jair | is that link just for AMD? |
| 06:15.52 | Azar | jair: most likely your machine does not respond to 64bit-ways |
| 06:16.00 | Azar | jair: yes |
| 06:16.19 | jair | ha! |
| 06:16.21 | jair | right |
| 06:16.26 | jair | then is not 64 bit |
| 06:16.31 | jair | hmm weird |
| 06:16.43 | jair | I was trying with live cd |
| 06:17.00 | jair | but i will have to find a live cd 64bit distro |
| 06:17.06 | jair | to see if boots |
| 06:18.01 | Zbyshek | jair: I will recieve next week IBM x60s with dualcore... so say what your experience are... |
| 06:18.05 | peterrooney | !enter |
| 06:18.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 06:18.42 | Azar | jair: I googled for you, in case you can't use a browser: http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
| 06:19.02 | Zbyshek | jair: also use http://www.thinkwiki.org |
| 06:19.09 | jair | nice |
| 06:19.10 | Zbyshek | that's the best what you can get |
| 06:19.44 | Azar | dualcore is a scam to make ya'll pay more |
| 06:19.59 | Zbyshek | indeed |
| 06:20.05 | jair | Zbyshek: I can not really talk about the machine yet, I was just trying to find out if was 64 or 32 bit processor. |
| 06:20.07 | Zbyshek | but nevertheless I wans new laptop |
| 06:20.14 | Zbyshek | which x60s now is |
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| 06:20.35 | Zbyshek | jair: than look at the wiki page.. there are all the informations |
| 06:20.45 | jair | but I will be checking does liks you guys gave me and then maybe if you guys are here remember my nick and ask me i will be happy to tell you my experience. |
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| 06:21.05 | Azar | jair: I bout back in January a PC that was advertised as 64bit ready. I could care less about 64bit, I was happy I was able to use it in 32 |
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| 06:21.15 | jair | all right I will do that, time to go sleep, it is 12:20 here have to wake up early tomorrow |
| 06:21.19 | State-Prison | Hi all |
| 06:21.29 | State-Prison | How i can create an .tar.gz with a folder? |
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| 06:22.33 | jair | all right Azar thank you very much for your help |
| 06:22.41 | jair | Zbyshek: thanks |
| 06:22.58 | jair | good night guys, Debian is what is is because of people like you :) |
| 06:23.46 | Azar | me too.. good night honorables |
| 06:24.06 | Zbyshek | :)) |
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| 06:30.42 | karma | Is Iceweasel not going to make it into Etch before it becomes stable? |
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| 06:31.36 | Zbyshek | karma: you're using etch? |
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| 06:33.59 | Zbyshek | it's already frozen... and there is iceweasel instead of ffox |
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| 06:43.15 | DimmuR | Hi how can i configure gdm to auto-login myself without checking for passowrd? |
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| 06:44.25 | nsx | is there any way to purge a packet and all of its reverse dependencies? |
| 06:44.28 | nsx | *package |
| 06:47.10 | DimmuR | nsx: you can combine with debfoster |
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| 06:47.38 | State-Prison | How i can create an .tar.gz with a folder? |
| 06:48.00 | concept10 | DimmuR, do you have the package gdmsetup? |
| 06:49.14 | State-Prison | tar czf /path/to/output/folder/filename.tar.gz /path/to/folder dont work for me |
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| 06:51.27 | DimmuR | concept10: i have gdmsetup (it's not package but command) i have configured it to autologin myself in 15seconds but after timeout it show password box |
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| 06:54.53 | concept10 | DimmuR, gdmsetup should be a gui tool |
| 06:57.51 | karma | Is Etch really going to be frozen with Firefox 1.5.0.7? |
| 06:58.06 | centrx | looks like it |
| 06:58.31 | karma | Darn... I wanted Iceweasel to make it in |
| 06:58.57 | centrx | maybe the trademark/licensing issue will be resolved by next time |
| 06:58.59 | centrx | and then it will never happen |
| 06:59.56 | karma | centrx: I doubt it,I don't see either the Mozilla Corporation nor Debian backing down from their positions (I think that both have extremely valid positions for what it's worth) |
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| 07:00.29 | centrx | it could just be called firefox-mod |
| 07:00.37 | DimmuR | concept10: i already tried that way (in gdm) i configured "Enable Timed Login" and selected myself and after restart it's asking about password |
| 07:00.51 | karma | centrx: I doubt that MozCorp would accept that. |
| 07:01.25 | centrx | it is a name |
| 07:01.31 | centrx | it is a modification of firefox |
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| 07:01.56 | eyeris | apt-get repeatedly segfaults, preventing me from updating any software (sid/amd64). Any ideas why? |
| 07:02.16 | centrx | eye69, is there an update for it |
| 07:03.20 | eyeris | centrx no, I have the newest version (0.6.46.4) |
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| 07:08.38 | eyeris | deleting /var/cache/apt{src,pkg}cache.bin fixed it |
| 07:09.02 | Xorm | O_o |
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| 07:14.16 | aliasd | heyas |
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| 07:15.16 | aliasd | i want to add a new control file into a .deb, is there an easy way of doing this? |
| 07:15.40 | Eclipser | *new* control file? |
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| 07:16.11 | Eclipser | aliasd, fetch the source, modify control and build the package? |
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| 07:16.31 | aliasd | not really too possible, dont have the source.. dont know where to get it |
| 07:16.57 | aliasd | there is simply a bad dep in control, and i want to change it |
| 07:17.35 | aliasd | i can force install the package, and it works fine, but apt keeps on trying to remove it |
| 07:18.28 | aliasd | so i simply want to modify the offending dep in the control file, and repackage it |
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| 07:28.01 | aliasd | ar |
| 07:28.12 | aliasd | got it |
| 07:28.39 | aliasd | :) |
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| 07:44.12 | warezDUDE | MICROSOFT RULES PLANET EARTH AND LINUX IS FOR ARTSY LIBERAL FASCIST COMMUNIST TERRORISTS |
| 07:44.42 | amphi | ouf |
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| 07:45.45 | warezDUDE | MICROSOFT RULES PLANET EARTH AND LINUX IS FOR ARTSY LIBERAL FASCIST COMMUNIST TERRORISTS |
| 07:46.19 | amphi | !ops warezDUDE is spamming somewhat |
| 07:46.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: amphi complains about: warezDUDE is spamming somewhat |
| 07:46.27 | warezDUDE | MICROSOFT RULES PLANET EARTH AND LINUX IS FOR ARTSY LIBERAL FASCIST COMMUNIST TERRORISTS |
| 07:46.51 | warezDUDE | MICROSOFT RULES PLANET EARTH AND LINUX IS FOR ARTSY LIBERAL FASCIST COMMUNIST TERRORISTS |
| 08:14.00 | warezDUDE | MICROSOFT RULES PLANET EARTH AND LINUX IS FOR ARTSY LIBERAL FASCIST COMMUNIST TERRORISTS |
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| 08:14.01 | peterS | wow, that was intelligent |
| 08:14.01 | amphi | thanks peterS |
| 08:14.02 | teledyn | hehe |
| 08:14.02 | sussudio | internets lol |
| 08:14.02 | enyc | hrrm irc spam! |
| 08:14.02 | RichiH | removed from network |
| 08:14.02 | teledyn | "artsy liberal facist" that's an interesting juxataposition of terms |
| 08:14.02 | ajehals-lappy | question - can anyone think of anything configuration wise that would cause Xorg to utilise 65% system Ram + 800+Mb (and rising) of pagefile (on a box that has 1G ram? |
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| 08:14.04 | aliasd | a memory leak? |
| 08:14.05 | aliasd | :P |
| 08:14.05 | sussudio | bunnies. |
| 08:14.05 | aliasd | oh yea.... and bunnies |
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| 08:14.06 | ajehals-lappy | aliasd - figured that m ay be the case :) but thats hard work to solve. (What kind of bunnies?) |
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| 08:14.08 | mne | hi. On my laptop, I've an old ATI mach64 card with 8MB. I would like to try out whether compitz works, however I cannot find the mach64 DRI kernel module inside the debian repositories. any help ? Are there any inofficial debian packages for mach64 with kernel 2.6.18 ? |
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| 08:14.08 | teledyn | ah mach64 |
| 08:14.09 | mne | teledyn, a PITA, i know |
| 08:14.09 | teledyn | that's ancient hardware now |
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| 08:14.10 | teledyn | used to be someone who did have a repository for mach64 |
| 08:14.14 | paradoxial | hi all having a problom with debian i installed it its all working except when i boot into the login/gui's the login stuff is huge cant fit anything on it i tryed to adjust the XF86Config-4 but nothing seems to be working |
| 08:14.40 | mne | well, it's in my laptop. there's no way to change the card inside :P hmm, do you have a link. I can remember once building the mach64 modules from source. however, I have no idea where to obtain the source |
| 08:15.24 | teledyn | mne: xorg or xfree86? |
| 08:15.34 | ajehals-lappy | paradoxial : hi - can you paste your XF86config-4 into #Flood via your preferred method? |
| 08:15.45 | mne | teledyn, xorg on debian/unstable |
| 08:15.45 | ajehals-lappy | paradoxial : or use pastebin.ca if you prefer |
| 08:15.57 | teledyn | mne: isn't mach64 support included in ati? |
| 08:16.01 | paradoxial | ajehals-lappy, im not at home at work so cant boot my my laptop online here |
| 08:16.02 | ajehals-lappy | ah fair enough... |
| 08:16.12 | lowstream | hehe now if only i could play WOW in nix |
| 08:16.12 | paradoxial | right now i think its using 50-70 vga driver tryed 800x600 tryed 1024 etc |
| 08:16.22 | mne | teledyn, yep, seems to be included. but it needs the mach64 kernel module for DRI to work |
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| 08:16.43 | shishi | hello all |
| 08:16.44 | teledyn | mne: try searching google for mach64 dri debian a lot of hits |
| 08:16.44 | ajehals-lappy | paradoxial : not a lot I can say other than check your config file, and if you think its OK get someone here to look at it - kinda hard to offere solutions without being able to see the (potential) cause of the problem :) |
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| 08:16.45 | teledyn | mne: maybe the ubuntu solution would be applicable |
| 08:16.46 | paradoxial | kk thanks ajehals-lappy will try and get it online so i can post it |
| 08:16.47 | ajehals-lappy | paradoxial : sure - no probs |
| 08:16.47 | RichiH | what would you guys show some people who do not know anything about linux? |
| 08:16.47 | paradoxial | RichiH ho to do rm * / |
| 08:16.47 | ajehals-lappy | RichiH : In what sense? |
| 08:16.47 | paradoxial | :) |
| 08:16.48 | mne | teledyn, hmm. i just found a link on people.debian.org. however, the files are from 2002 |
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| 08:16.49 | RichiH | ajehals-lappy: unix tools they are likely to find useful |
| 08:16.50 | paradoxial | RichiH, best place for linux/unix tools is sourceforge in my opinion |
| 08:16.50 | teledyn | mne: check out the freedesktop.org wiki on building the module mentioned in the ubuntu thread |
| 08:16.50 | ajehals-lappy | RichiH - what kind of users? technical / non tech / profesionals etc? |
| 08:19.15 | mne | teledyn, hmm. ok, thanks for the tip, I'll try it |
| 08:19.15 | mne | teledyn, sorry ... |
| 08:19.16 | RichiH | ajehals-lappy: technical, but windows only |
| 08:19.16 | ajehals-lappy | teledyn - sorry I missed what you were after - mach64 source? |
| 08:19.16 | teledyn | mne: check the PM window i pasted info |
| 08:19.16 | ajehals-lappy | RichiH - and are you doing a demo or are you just pointing them in the "right" direction.... |
| 08:19.16 | mne | teledyn, yep, I just saw it ;) |
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| 08:19.18 | RichiH | ajehals-lappy: more or less a demo thing |
| 08:19.19 | teledyn | mne: did you get all that? |
| 08:19.19 | mne | teledyn, yep, thank you. I hope it will also work with the debian kernel headers. I don't want to recompile the whole kernel |
| 08:19.19 | teledyn | mne: yes it will |
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| 08:19.20 | mne | teledyn, nice ;) thank you, I think that should work then .. |
| 08:19.20 | teledyn | mne: but still i don't know if a mach64 has enough uumph to handle compiz |
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| 08:19.20 | teledyn | you might get away with playing a really choppy version of gltron with many of the features turned off |
| 08:19.21 | mne | teledyn, well, it has just 8mb and a miserable 3D chip :P I'll give it a try |
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| 08:19.21 | DimmuR | i've configured gdm to autologin but after restart it shows "reenter password" box - i can hit enter and then it logins me but what should i do to disable this box? |
| 08:19.21 | ajehals-lappy | RichiH - In that case what I tend to do is do a nice multimedia presentation on a laptop / desktop running whatevere distribution you like - and touch on the more major projects that are out there - I tend to do apache, mysql, cyrus imap, postfix,apt (synaptic can be handy here) KDE, openoffice, konqueror and gimp. but it really depends on what your audience is using - try and point out that there are better alternatives for mo |
| 08:19.22 | mne | teledyn, I know, once I tried tuxracer. I had something like 8fps |
| 08:19.22 | teledyn | DimmuR: run gdmconfig? |
| 08:19.22 | DimmuR | teledyn: i configured it via gdmconfig - i can't see option like "don't ask for password" |
| 08:19.22 | nayyares | i got IBM 1U kvm console, but i d'nt get any information about how to switch between machine consoles, i mean the key combination required to shift between consoles, if any body using it, please let me know? |
| 08:19.22 | RichiH | ajehals-lappy: OOo and gimp, now those are ideas |
| 08:19.22 | ajehals-lappy | RichiH (I cant replace visio) then point out tools like wine and cxoffice for conversion. That should be a good place to start. |
| 08:19.22 | DimmuR | teledyn: it just show box - i dont have fill it to login but i have to press enter |
| 08:19.23 | teledyn | DimmuR: maybe in /etc/gdm/.... then? i don't know |
| 08:19.28 | RichiH | ajehals-lappy: generally, i am tending more towards the tech side, but 'oh, shiny!' is definately a plus, too |
| 08:19.30 | teledyn | DimmuR: but kdm will autologin like you want |
| 08:19.31 | RichiH | you got cut off at 'alternatives for mo' btw |
| 08:19.31 | ajehals-lappy | RichiH - I tend to find windows admins and technical types are more impressed with Bash, postfix, and upgrades without rebooting.... plus the security stability, scalability, portability and general lovability of debian |
| 08:19.31 | DimmuR | teledyn: maybye it's because i joined this computer into domain |
| 08:19.31 | DimmuR | i check kdm |
| 08:19.32 | ajehals-lappy | RichiH - could be your client - I went on to say ..most if the stuff they use - and where there arent - (visio in my case) wine and cxoffice are usefulk |
| 08:19.32 | ea1 | DimmuR: in gdm look for 'automatic login' and 'timed login' |
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| 08:19.33 | DimmuR | ea1: it's configured and after time has come it don't login just show "reenter password" box |
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| 08:19.33 | ajehals-lappy | nayyares - ctrl+shift+m? - if not I cannot remember... |
| 08:19.33 | ajehals-lappy | might have ben ctrl+alt+m... |
| 08:19.33 | Kitu | élo |
| 08:19.35 | ea1 | DimmuR: sounds like you have some problem, b/c ive used those options w/o any problem.. |
| 08:19.35 | Kitu | is it possible to install an other language environnement for firefox 2.0 ? |
| 08:19.36 | DimmuR | ea1: i use it at home without problems but here i have computer joined into domain maybye it causes problems |
| 08:19.36 | ea1 | DimmuR: .. to the best of my knowledge, it shouldnt,. but ive never used it like that, so might have something there... |
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| 08:19.37 | ajehals-lappy | DimmuR - What environment - i.e. is it a windows domain? |
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| 08:19.38 | DimmuR | ajehals-lappy: its on win2k3 based domain with ActiveDirectory |
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| 08:19.39 | aronofsky | hi , simple question about aptitude, I got some packages marked for deletions and when I dist-upgrade it doesn't try to delete them , can anyone tell me why ? |
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| 08:20.16 | DimmuR | i check kdm |
| 08:20.17 | ajehals-lappy | DimmuR - how have you configured your user authentication on that box - are you just logging in locally or are you using a domain account? - the 2k3 server cannot (AFAIK) force policy on a non windows box so thata shouldnt do anything - but if you have played with your authentication mechanisms there may be some interaction that maybe could cause this kind of issue - posibly |
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| 08:20.28 | Mitja | I formatted IDE disk to ext3 and it's already 188MB used, is this correct? |
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| 08:20.30 | cast | its not wrong, so yes, its correct |
| 08:20.37 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:20.37 | dpkg | i guess qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
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| 08:20.40 | kamyk | elo all :) |
| 08:20.40 | centrx | cast, the future? |
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| 08:20.41 | Mitja | cast does ext3 really need that much? |
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| 08:20.42 | ajehals-lappy | Mitja - what size is the drive? |
| 08:20.44 | jovans | i am using here debian/testing with firefox 1.5.0.7 gxine plugin i have try to play a .mov video with the plugin but don't works no demuxer or so is the message but when i play this file directly in gxine it works is it a problem with plugin or the configuration? |
| 08:20.44 | Mitja | ajehals-lappy advertised 250GB, shown by df 230GB |
| 08:20.44 | ajehals-lappy | jovans - is the plugin configured to handle .mov's? I would check thata in the plugin conf |
| 08:20.46 | jovans | hm i check it |
| 08:20.46 | Mitja | but I know it's because of the unit difference |
| 08:20.46 | cast | Mitja: i don't know to be honest, i hear ext2 reserves 5% by default for root - dunno if that manifests itself as used or just limits you to only 95% as nonroot, on my reiserfs's sometimes 40megs is used without any files. but most of all i believe it to be correct because ext2/3 mkfs is going to be very much bug free, so unless you gave it some funky options, which it appears you wouldn't, then there's not going to be a a problem :x |
| 08:20.47 | Mitja | Not root as in the meaning of linux OS root? |
| 08:20.47 | Mitja | I'm not using the disk as bootable or something, just storage |
| 08:20.51 | Kitu | is it right that use ntfs-3g is dangerous ? :) |
| 08:20.52 | cast | linux OS doesn't make sense, :x, and root as in root user |
| 08:21.15 | Kitu | linux is not an OS entierly :) |
| 08:21.24 | Kitu | oh ... |
| 08:21.27 | Kitu | ok |
| 08:21.40 | Kitu | i am understand bad |
| 08:21.43 | Kitu | lol |
| 08:21.45 | Kitu | -am |
| 08:21.51 | Kitu | -_- |
| 08:22.08 | jovans | i have another prob my system itself works good with debain/testing but gnome and the x env. is very slow opening windows installing software....my hda first is running in udma6 i don't know why it's so slow |
| 08:22.32 | cast | Mitja: if you really want i can mkfs.ext3 on this 250gb drive and see if i get the same |
| 08:22.33 | jovans | i had to many otptimizion but not reallyeffectly |
| 08:22.55 | ajehals-lappy | Allright - I cant figure out how to calculate the overhead required by the journal within ext3 - but if my 80Gb drive requires 33Mb on a fress format then 188Mb for a 250Gb drive doesnt seem all that excessive |
| 08:23.16 | Mitja | cast your drive? |
| 08:23.17 | cast | jovans: slow as in unaccelerated video driver slow? |
| 08:23.28 | jovans | hm |
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| 08:23.39 | jovans | i had install the nvidia driver |
| 08:23.47 | jovans | i had 1900 fps per second |
| 08:23.52 | jovans | in glgygers |
| 08:23.59 | cast | Mitja: aye, ill try XFS, reiserfs, ext3, see what the differences are |
| 08:23.59 | jovans | now is it 1550 fps |
| 08:24.23 | cast | jovans: so there is a nvidia driver line in xorg? |
| 08:24.31 | ajehals-lappy | cast - the journal on a fresh ext formatted 80Gb drive is 33 Mb - not sure how that scales though |
| 08:24.34 | jovans | without that i have changed everything |
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| 08:24.57 | cast | ajehals-lappy: the journal? does that get bigger with fs size? |
| 08:25.19 | ajehals-lappy | cast - as I said - dont know how that scales... :) |
| 08:25.19 | Mitja | ajehals-lappy 188MB happens to 1% of 250G, as indicated by df |
| 08:25.28 | jovans | all is configured correctly hdparm etc. works and so on i dpn't know it was never so slowly in speed at all |
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| 08:26.33 | jovans | you mean it is the nvidia driver that push the speed down of my system? cast |
| 08:26.48 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.01 | jovans | hm |
| 08:29.12 | dondelelcaro | aronofsky: it won't remove them if there are other packages which depend upon them. |
| 08:29.23 | jovans | nobody an idea? |
| 08:30.15 | aronofsky | dondelelcaro, actuallly it doesnt seem to be beacause in aptiitude when I do 'g' it wants to delete them |
| 08:30.53 | cast | shit i'm a retard. i just backed up the copy of my gpg private key via encrypting it with my public key... |
| 08:31.11 | dondelelcaro | aronofsky: g in the curses interface is quite a bit different from dist-upgrade; it may be that dist-upgrade doesn't actually deal with pending actions. |
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| 08:31.43 | dondelelcaro | (you really shouldn't be using dist-upgrade anyway) |
| 08:32.28 | aronofsky | dondelelcaro, why is that ? |
| 08:32.35 | Sepero | dist-upgrade still exists? |
| 08:32.46 | jovans | where have gxineplugin his config file? |
| 08:34.52 | cast | Sepero: yes. |
| 08:35.32 | Sepero | nooooooo |
| 08:35.37 | Sepero | oh ok |
| 08:37.08 | Sepero | I think jovans is asking where the conf file for gxineplugin is at. |
| 08:37.11 | cast | whats wrong with dist-upgrade anyway? |
| 08:37.31 | cast | [in aptitude, at least. i haven't used apt-get since woody] |
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| 08:37.34 | jovans | so it is |
| 08:37.37 | kamyk | i have one qustion: do somebody know how resolve dynamic limits in limits.conf ? |
| 08:38.20 | ajehals-lappy | Mitja - 188Mb / @235500Mb (@230Gb) is less than 0.04% - but I have been up all night so that calculation may be an order of magnitude off - although I cant see it... |
| 08:38.57 | bonez41 | what's required to install on a windows system? Ihave a 250 gig drive...which has 117 gig dedicated to Win xp pro....which I just installed..I want to now install Debian 3.1 to same drive...I ahve 85 gig space reserved for linux... |
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| 08:39.43 | cast | Mitja: for 113GB drive: ext3: 188M used, ext2: 60M |
| 08:39.45 | bonez41 | when I boot up with my woody cd... it only shows /dev/hde (my SATA drive) and says it will wipe it...I want to install to /dev/hde3 |
| 08:40.53 | Sepero | bonez41: I know it's blasphemy to say in this channel, but use Mepis or Ubuntu. |
| 08:41.02 | Mitja | This is still strange: when I formatted it using mkfs.ext3 df said Size 230G, Used 188M, Available 218G |
| 08:41.25 | Mitja | Where's the other 11GB? |
| 08:41.31 | zoggy | hi guys, is it possible to have 2 network cards share the load on one server? if so, is there anything to specify differently in the /etc/network/interfaces? even if one card handles the inbound traffic and one the outbound... thanks a *lot* i have tried googling, but couldn't find anything |
| 08:41.35 | Sepero | kamyk: What is limits.conf? |
| 08:41.39 | bonez41 | Sepero, debian has served me well, since I abandoned caldera linux...... |
| 08:41.45 | ajehals-lappy | zoggy - it is |
| 08:41.53 | sep | zoggy, yes you need to make a bonding interface, and you need a switch that support bonding |
| 08:42.20 | bonez41 | Sepero, whether ubuntu, debian or mepis...why would it say I can't install to /dev/hde3? is it about 1023 cylinder boundaries? |
| 08:42.27 | tarzeau | how can i tell apt-src to really use /etc/apt/sources.list and sid |
| 08:42.35 | Sepero | bonez41: How come you're using Woody instead of Sarge? |
| 08:42.58 | cast | Mitja: reiserfs: 33M, XFS: 544K |
| 08:43.04 | bonez41 | Sepero, it's the disc I have at hand..once installed, I'll apt-get update it to sage......and with 2. 6.x kernel |
| 08:43.12 | zoggy | ajehals-lappy: brilliant thanks, i'll search for some stuff re: bonding, thanks a lot |
| 08:43.30 | bonez41 | Sepero, I run debian 3.1 on my other systems....with ext3 fs |
| 08:43.37 | Sepero | tarzeau: comment out other repositories besides sid, then try again. |
| 08:43.44 | ajehals-lappy | zoggy - one more thing - are you using intel cards? |
| 08:44.11 | sep | zoggy, http://www.howtoforge.com/nic_bonding is start |
| 08:44.13 | zoggy | ajehals-lappy: no, i'm using one on-board card and one 3com |
| 08:44.25 | zoggy | wow you guys rule, thanks |
| 08:44.28 | cast | tarzeau: could you have etch binary sources, but for the deb-src lines have sid? |
| 08:44.30 | ajehals-lappy | zoggy - fair enough - :) |
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| 08:44.47 | Sepero | bonez41: I'm not familiar with a Woody install. I can only recommend that you get Sarge. |
| 08:44.51 | kamyk | Sepero: you can set limits to cpu, memory etc. for any proces, uid, user etc |
| 08:44.56 | iacopop | i have a problem installing opengroupware.org |
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| 08:45.23 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:45.31 | iacopop | in official repository opengroupware.org doesn't exist |
| 08:45.46 | iacopop | is there an unofficial repo? |
| 08:46.19 | Sepero | kamyk: What package is it? |
| 08:46.47 | Sepero | kamyk: nm |
| 08:46.58 | geetarman | mii-tool |
| 08:47.01 | Sepero | kamyk: My expertiece doesn't extend into that area. |
| 08:47.14 | tarzeau | Sepero: i noticed what the problem was |
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| 08:47.21 | tarzeau | cast: no, it was a permission problem |
| 08:47.34 | sanmarcos | I need help deciding between this two monitors? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCompare.asp?SrchInDesc=dell&Category=19&N=2010190020+4018+1309821317&Submit=ENE&Nty=1&SubCategory=20&CompareItemList=N82E16824001088%2CN82E16824116373 should they pose any problem working with the nvidia drivers on debian? |
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| 08:49.01 | Zbyshek | SHIT! |
| 08:49.01 | Zbyshek | tinyurl! |
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| 08:49.46 | Sepero | tinyurl.com |
| 08:49.47 | RvGaTe | do i need to run the vncserver as root? or can any user run it ? |
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| 08:50.32 | bonez41 | Sepero, ok, with sarge..on similar but different note..is this the right way to install...on a new system..windows first and then linux..... |
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| 08:51.48 | Sepero | bonez41: yes |
| 08:51.51 | peterrooney | RvGaTe: i've had no problems running it as normal user |
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| 08:52.07 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, ok... |
| 08:52.10 | peterrooney | though i've had problems remembering the syntax |
| 08:52.18 | Sepero | bonez41: Technically it doesn't matter, but that way tends to be easier. |
| 08:52.22 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, do you know the command to change the listening port? |
| 08:53.15 | cast | go windows first then debian, saves fixing the bootloader after windows rapes it |
| 08:53.18 | peterrooney | RvGaTe: no, but man x0vncserver (or apropos vnc) should guide you |
| 08:53.53 | cast | but make sure its partitioned correctly when when/before windows installs so you don't have to resize anything |
| 08:54.03 | peterrooney | i can never remember which of the half dozen programs are pointers to or wrappers to the other ones |
| 08:54.20 | Sepero | bonez41: cast directed that to you |
| 08:54.36 | peterrooney | RvGaTe: -httpport or -rfbport seem to be the command line switches |
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| 08:55.33 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, im trying that now, no success on the httpport |
| 08:57.20 | peterrooney | RvGaTe: are you using vnc, Xvnc, x0vnc? |
| 08:57.29 | DimmuR | hanks all for help with gdm - problem was with joining a domain (/etc/pam.d/common* files) |
| 08:57.39 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, "vncserver" |
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| 08:58.07 | bonez41 | cast, that's "the rub" as it were...I already loaded win xp ... got it all set up.. (my son will likely be in windows for now, more than linux, to play games)....the machine is brand new and has LBA set on...and all that in BIOS |
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| 08:58.50 | pookey | hey all - what's the name of the package that pulls in compiler and all useful dev tools ? |
| 08:59.18 | cast | build-essential |
| 09:00.37 | SlayerXP | pookey: build-essential |
| 09:00.54 | pookey | thanks :) |
| 09:26.11 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, it keeps listening on 5900, probably becouse of the screen 1... 5900 +screen number |
| 09:26.11 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, it keeps listening on 5901, probably becouse of the screen 1... 5900 +screen number |
| 09:26.11 | RvGaTe | :P |
| 09:26.11 | RvGaTe | typo |
| 09:26.11 | seldon | Hi guys. I'm getting BADSIG errors from apt, is there something wrong on the servers? |
| 09:26.12 | eggleston | hello all, looking for a player to play '.flv' files of video's i've downloaded off youtube, typed 'apt-cache search flv'. no results. anyone know of a player that will play flv files? or something to convert them?? |
| 09:26.12 | peterrooney | RvGaTe: typos are anathaema to good diagnosis |
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| 09:26.26 | seldon | eggleston: mplayer can do that, you can get that from debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:26.34 | peterrooney | RvGaTe: i use (according to my history logs) vncserver -httpport 9012 :4 |
| 09:27.00 | cast | aye, mplayer and ffplay [from ffmpeg pkg] will play flv |
| 09:27.09 | peterrooney | thank goodness i have my $HISTFILESIZE set to 20000 |
| 09:27.18 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, and on what port is it listening ? |
| 09:27.18 | peterrooney | whichever one you specify |
| 09:27.27 | peterrooney | RvGaTe: whichever one you specify on the command line |
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| 09:28.28 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, doesn't seem to work... |
| 09:28.33 | eggleston | seldon, thanks, for some reason just right clicking run in mplayer didn't work but running command mplayer vid.flv did |
| 09:28.57 | eggleston | does anyone know why the sound in mplayer get's choppy every now and then and i have to pause it and unpause it? is it using the wrong sound demon or what? |
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| 09:29.47 | RvGaTe | peterrooney, vncserver -httpport 3000 :1, listening on port 5901 |
| 09:29.57 | SlayerXP | eggleston: mplayer isn't in debian, go talk to however you got the package from. |
| 09:30.25 | SlayerXP | whoever |
| 09:30.25 | eggleston | mplayer, i'll try downloaded the newest version |
| 09:30.35 | pookey | SlayerXP: ahh.. I knew I recognised your screenanme from somewhere - hi :) |
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| 09:30.35 | SlayerXP | pookey: lo :) |
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| 09:30.39 | seldon | Hmm. the badsig error seems to be connected to approx |
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| 09:30.39 | pookey | seldon: ngrep the connection ? |
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| 09:30.59 | seldon | Hm. I had to clean up the lists in the approx cache, now it works |
| 09:32.01 | niru | hello seldon |
| 09:32.07 | seldon | um...hi |
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| 09:32.20 | seldon | Anyway, I wonder how those got corrupted. *goes to investigate* |
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| 09:32.34 | Arafangion | Ok, here goes... *Upgrades to etch* :) |
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| 09:33.35 | bonez41 | how soon will etch be 'released'......to become the current standard for debian? |
| 09:33.45 | bonez41 | anyone know |
| 09:33.45 | azeem | bonez41: read the release updates on the debian-devel-announce list |
| 09:33.53 | Arafangion | bonez41: /topic is quite descriptive. |
| 09:34.22 | alfadir | hi, did a unstable update.. ls -l results in "/lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference" |
| 09:34.31 | alfadir | a known problem with libacl1 ? |
| 09:34.47 | alfadir | there is no bug filed.. |
| 09:34.54 | Arafangion | alfadir: Doesn't mean there's no bug. |
| 09:35.04 | Arafangion | alfadir: unstable is known to break, quite often I might add. |
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| 09:37.30 | alfadir | Arafangion: hehe, i know. I can live with it.. just wanted to check if it was a known common issue.. |
| 09:37.55 | alfadir | strings on the lib shows that the symbol getxattr is missing.. |
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| 10:46.07 | spo0nman | can gimp open photoshop templates? |
| 10:46.08 | azeem | alfadir: new acl/attr versions got uploaded yesterday |
| 10:46.08 | azeem | alfadir: a bug is being filed by somebody right now |
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| 10:46.09 | eggleston | i FINALLY worked out how to encode movies into VCD from AVI with mencoder jsut now |
| 10:46.09 | eggleston | bu ti's gonna take like 100 minutes at full CPU |
| 10:46.10 | Arafangion | How do I "cancel a removal"? |
| 10:46.11 | Arafangion | I can NEVER understand why debian always tries to upgrade the running kernel. |
| 10:46.11 | nvz | HAHAHAHA! finally I can use my pc again! use the force.. Ctrl+Sysrq+K!! |
| 10:46.11 | eggleston | nvz, what's that do? |
| 10:46.11 | nvz | I had this maching swapping and throwing inturrupts so hard it wouldnt even let me switch consoles |
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| 10:46.12 | nvz | it was completly irresponsive |
| 10:46.12 | eggleston | nvz, so that key miracle fixed it how? |
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| 10:46.12 | Danamania | I realise this may be a PPC issue, but debianPPC land is pretty quiet at the moment :). I'm having problems with a sarge->etch upgrade, the new kernel isn't getting past this point: http://www.danamania.com/temp/performafail.jpg - does it look like it's actually mounted the root filesystem and failed soon after, or hasn't yet mounted it? |
| 10:46.13 | alfadir | azeem: yep, saw that it was uploaded the 17:th.. just wanted to check here if others had seen problems with it.. |
| 10:46.13 | nvz | eggleston: sysrq key is used in linux to send requests to the kernel in emergency situations can cause a killing spree, core dump...etc |
| 10:46.13 | azeem | alfadir: downgrade it |
| 10:46.14 | nvz | I didnt want to stop my torrents, but oh well.. thats what I get for running too many of them without throttling when I have less than half a gb of ram |
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| 10:46.14 | eggleston | nvz, so pressing this may help in emergency or cause emergency? |
| 10:46.15 | alfadir | azeem: yup, will do that |
| 10:46.15 | nvz | eggleston: usually a little of both |
| 10:46.15 | eggleston | nvz, lol |
| 10:46.15 | eggleston | nvz, yesterday i convinced someone my town was run by wild dogs |
| 10:46.16 | eggleston | nvz, :D |
| 10:46.16 | nvz | eggleston: generally when you are going to sysrq you have absolutly no other choice.. system is thrashing so hard a normal keyboard/mouse inturrupt is being told to take a fucking number and get in line |
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| 10:46.19 | gaijin_ | What is the command to force upgrade kernel revision, I am stuck on 2.6.8.1 have tried apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, and dselect-update, still no luck |
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| 10:46.19 | eggleston | nvz, i heard the key was created for a version of dos that never got released, but they just kept it |
| 10:46.19 | nvz | eggleston: in my case a Ctrl+Sysrq+K killed Xorg and all its children allowing me to regain control of my system |
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| 10:46.20 | eggleston | nvz, cool |
| 10:46.21 | Arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.21 | marcreichelt | hiho :) |
| 10:46.21 | marcreichelt | I want to upgrade to Etch |
| 10:46.21 | marcreichelt | ;) |
| 10:46.22 | jatt | it isn't? |
| 10:46.22 | nvz | eggleston: stuff was still working.. new windows poping up and data being sent/recieved on the network.. but the screen was WAYY lagged so much so the pointer would dissapear at times and wouldnt update (i.e. wouldnt change from pointer to finger, to resize, to text cursor..) and wasnt responding to any clicks or button presses for over 30min |
| 10:46.22 | marcreichelt | if I want to upgrade to Etch, how should I replace the following line: "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 10:46.22 | chemaja | is there a sane reason as to why Etch's xorg can't detect my riva TNT + oldschool 15" TPG monitor? XP and Fedora can, openSUSE and Debian can't. Weird. |
| 10:46.22 | nvz | eggleston: I got tired of waiting thats when I remembered sysrq |
| 10:46.23 | Arafangion | jatt: Nope. |
| 10:46.23 | chemaja | this was about 5weeks ago |
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| 10:46.25 | jatt | Arafangion: care to explain why? etch is frozen now and should be pretty stable. Furthermore I don't see how changing the sources.list and upgrading is not trivial. |
| 10:46.25 | nvz | eggleston: if your system has it, you should be able to goto a console like tty1 type root, and when it asks you for the passwd just type Ctrl+Sysrq+k it should kill the login, and getty and they should respawn |
| 10:46.25 | nvz | eggleston: safe way to find out if its compiled in your kernel |
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| 10:46.26 | Arafangion | jatt: Well, consider that etch uses udev, and pretty well most things want to at the minimum switch to udev, and update the kernel. |
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| 10:46.26 | dimitri | I can I get an IP when feeding the console with a DN ? |
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| 10:46.27 | g333k | how do I apt-get update even if I have a current list of pkgs? I mean to force apt to do it again? |
| 10:46.27 | dimitri | g333k: apt-get -f |
| 10:48.13 | jatt | Arafangion: are you saying that there are serious bugs which will break packages when switching to udev? |
| 10:48.13 | Arafangion | jatt: Bugs? No. |
| 10:48.13 | simmerz | I've been using backup2l for a while and today I got an error through saying that it didn't work, and it is trying to dump to TMP.all.somefileext - and its getting an input/output error. any ideas? |
| 10:48.14 | g333k | dimitri, nup |
| 10:48.14 | jatt | that's ok. |
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| 10:48.14 | marcreichelt | if I want to upgrade to Etch right now, should I replace the line "deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib" with "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib"? |
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| 10:48.15 | marcreichelt | or should I replace "stable" with "testing"? |
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| 10:48.15 | cast | replace stable with etch |
| 10:48.15 | marcreichelt | k |
| 10:48.16 | marcreichelt | great :) |
| 10:48.16 | cast | but you need to do it for more than the security.debian.org line |
| 10:48.16 | jatt | marcreichelt: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/quick-reference/ch-woody.en.html#s-testing-transition |
| 10:48.16 | jatt | marcreichelt: wait! that link was crap |
| 10:48.17 | marcreichelt | *g* |
| 10:48.18 | jatt | marcreichelt: stupid google :). Well the debian reference explains pretty good the upgrade procedure, take a look at it, is a great document. |
| 10:48.22 | g333k | where can I get monodevelop? |
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| 10:48.37 | jatt | g333k: in the archives? |
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| 10:48.39 | g333k | is monodevelop avaiable for etch? |
| 10:48.39 | dimitri | hi how can I get the IP of a machine with the domaine name, I know this is simple but this is the first time I am doing it and I am not sure to know what cmd to use |
| 10:48.39 | cast | geo-rge: packages.debian.org |
| 10:48.40 | cast | dimitri: i just go host google.com |
| 10:48.41 | jatt | g333k: no, it has RC bugs, see http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=monodevelop |
| 10:48.41 | dimitri | cast: should I type 'host dname' ? |
| 10:48.41 | marcreichelt | jatt, do you think that the following sources.list works good: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37722/ ? |
| 10:48.41 | jatt | g333k: some of its dependencies have rc bugs |
| 10:48.41 | jatt | marcreichelt: looks fine. Please note you can simulate an upgrade. |
| 10:48.42 | g333k | jaok |
| 10:48.42 | g333k | jatt, ok thanks |
| 10:48.42 | jatt | marcreichelt: you can do apt-get update and then |
| 10:48.42 | jatt | apt-get -us dist-upgrade |
| 10:48.47 | marcreichelt | I know :) |
| 10:48.48 | marcreichelt | let's have a try... |
| 10:48.48 | marcreichelt | btw, what is the meaning of "This APT has Super Cow Powers."? ;-) |
| 10:48.48 | jatt | marcreichelt: your sources.list is not right I think |
| 10:48.49 | marcreichelt | ? |
| 10:48.49 | jatt | marcreichelt: you have a duplicated entry (3. and 4.) do you want to use two different mirrors? |
| 10:48.49 | jatt | marcreichelt: in that case is fine |
| 10:48.50 | marcreichelt | I thought one can add more than one line for a repository - in case that one server fails |
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| 10:48.50 | jatt | marcreichelt: you are right, your sources.list is fine |
| 10:48.50 | marcreichelt | k |
| 10:48.50 | Jordan_U | marcreichelt: run "apt-get moo" :) |
| 10:48.50 | Arafangion | jatt: Upgrading to Etch tries to remove my running kernel, which is a problem. |
| 10:48.51 | cast | Arafangion: could just let it. then install a new one after |
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| 10:48.51 | jatt | Arafangion: ? how can that be a problem? |
| 10:48.51 | Arafangion | cast: I'd rather boot the new kernel without removing it. |
| 10:48.51 | Arafangion | jatt: What if the new kernel doesn't boot? |
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| 10:48.52 | marcreichelt | *g* |
| 10:48.52 | marcreichelt | kewl |
| 10:48.52 | cast | Arafangion: can you set it to hold? |
| 10:48.52 | jatt | Arafangion: I use only vanilla kernels. But with the debian way it *must* be a way, to leave the old kernel in case of problems. |
| 10:48.52 | marcreichelt | hmm, Etch wants to remove the package "postfix-tls" |
| 10:48.52 | jatt | like setting it on hold, right (pinning it?) |
| 10:48.52 | Arafangion | cast: No, because it conflicts with udev. |
| 10:48.52 | marcreichelt | but I need that one |
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| 10:48.52 | marcreichelt | or is there a replacement for postfix-tls? |
| 10:48.52 | jatt | marcreichelt: could you check if it was replaced by another package? Or its functionality moved to another package? |
| 10:48.53 | jatt | marcreichelt: see http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=postfix-tls |
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| 10:48.53 | marcreichelt | ah |
| 10:48.53 | marcreichelt | ok |
| 10:49.48 | jatt | marcreichelt: there is a version in experimental (I would not install it, but if absolutely need it, you need to use it. Or not upgrade). |
| 10:49.51 | Arafangion | *sigh*. |
| 10:49.51 | marcreichelt | so that means postfix-tls is part of postfix in Etch |
| 10:49.53 | cast | Arafangion: it'll boot. ;). and if it doesnt throw the old one back on with dpkg -i |
| 10:49.58 | Arafangion | How do I KEEP the running kernel? |
| 10:49.58 | Arafangion | The following packages will be REMOVED: kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 |
| 10:49.58 | jatt | marcreichelt: yes |
| 10:49.58 | jatt | Replaces: postfix-doc (<< 1.1.7-0), postfix-tls, mail-transport-agent |
| 10:49.59 | Arafangion | I want to KEEP it, but it's insisting on removing it before doing ANY other operation. |
| 10:49.59 | marcreichelt | jatt, do you really think that postfix-tls is not available in Etch? |
| 10:49.59 | marcreichelt | ah |
| 10:49.59 | marcreichelt | ok |
| 10:49.59 | Arafangion | cast: How do I put the old one back on with dpkg -i if it doesn't boot? |
| 10:49.59 | marcreichelt | so it _is_ available, it's just a part of "postfix" |
| 10:49.59 | marcreichelt | so that would be no problem |
| 10:50.00 | jatt | marcreichelt: yes, so it's ok if the upgrade removes it |
| 10:50.00 | jatt | marcreichelt: right |
| 10:50.07 | cast | Arafangion: livecd, chroot |
| 10:50.07 | marcreichelt | hehe, Etch wants to install "laptop-detect" on my server |
| 10:50.07 | marcreichelt | :D |
| 10:50.07 | Arafangion | cast: I'm 300 km away. |
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| 10:50.08 | marcreichelt | k |
| 10:50.08 | cast | Arafangion: ahh. i see :( |
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| 10:50.12 | sep | Arafangion, http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ this is the work in progress realease notes for etch might be handy to look at. and suggest improvements too |
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| 10:50.21 | kamyk | Do somebody set dynamic limits for users,group on debian? |
| 10:50.21 | kamyk | limits on cpu and memory ? |
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| 10:50.24 | marcreichelt | so let's upgrade |
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| 10:50.28 | Arafangion | Thanks sep |
| 10:50.28 | Arafangion | sep: I guess I should use aptitude :) |
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| 10:51.05 | nunu | It's so quiet in here ^^ |
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| 10:51.10 | iostream | Anyone experience problems with ncftp(put) handling large files (1GB+) over LAN? |
| 10:51.10 | Arafangion | sep: Aptitude is indeed significantly better than apt-get |
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| 10:51.14 | sep | Arafangion, better is such a bad word. depends on your needs. :) |
| 10:51.14 | ^Sprint^ | need a sponsor for a big website (40K unique / day). if some host admin can help me. pm please!! |
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| 10:51.18 | Sepero | hi |
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| 10:51.53 | Sepero | I was given 7 pc's. Each is 800Mhz. What should I do with them? |
| 10:51.53 | cast | learn about networking? |
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| 10:51.55 | sep | Sepero, see how high you can stack them ? |
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| 10:51.55 | Sepero | Set up a beowolf cluster to play chess against? |
| 10:51.56 | mcreichelt | hmm |
| 10:51.56 | mcreichelt | I'm updating to Etch right now |
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| 10:51.56 | mcreichelt | and apt-get says: "" |
| 10:51.56 | mcreichelt | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 10:51.57 | mcreichelt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.57 | cast | i'd put 4 on ebay personally |
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| 10:51.58 | Sepero | cast: How much do you think they're worth? They have no harddrives or ram. |
| 10:51.58 | mcreichelt | now it asks me if I want to install these packages without verification [y/N] |
| 10:51.58 | cast | Sepero: well that presents a slight problem. |
| 10:51.59 | javiolo | anyone has a kurobox ? |
| 10:51.59 | mcreichelt | if I choose N, the installation is cancelled |
| 10:51.59 | xingu | Sepero: if you put 'em inside a Wii box and are willing to commit a little postal fraud, a fair bit. |
| 10:52.12 | sail | any chinese here ? |
| 10:52.15 | Sepero | xingu: heh |
| 10:52.21 | mcreichelt | if I choose y, I get the following errors: |
| 10:52.24 | mcreichelt | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:52.24 | mcreichelt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.24 | mcreichelt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.25 | mcreichelt | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:52.25 | Sepero | welcome back :) |
| 10:52.26 | mcreichelt | :-/ |
| 10:52.26 | cast | mcreichelt: looks like you'll have to pick y then eh ;\ |
| 10:52.26 | sep | Sepero, run them with lessdisk or ltsp as diskless workstations |
| 10:52.28 | Sepero | mcreichelt: What happens if you run: "apt-get install" |
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| 10:52.36 | mcreichelt | ssh: Depends: openssh-client but it is not installed |
| 10:52.36 | Sepero | sep: Good idea, unfortunately I have noone to set them up for. |
| 10:52.36 | mcreichelt | Depends: openssh-server but it is not installed |
| 10:52.37 | mcreichelt | E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. |
| 10:52.37 | sep | Sepero, donate them to a local school then |
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| 10:52.38 | Sepero | sep: Nah, because then they'll just put illegal copies of MS on them. |
| 10:52.38 | cast | sep: probably not worth it imo, they'd have to buy ram and drives. then install windows something on there |
| 10:52.38 | sep | Sepero, without harddrives :)) |
| 10:52.39 | Sepero | I'll probably just try to sell them locally for about $30 each. |
| 10:52.39 | sep | Sepero, thats why you run them diskless |
| 10:52.39 | sep | cast, they would need ram obviously |
| 10:52.39 | Sepero | no ram or harddrives. |
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| 10:52.40 | Sepero | (yes, they would need ram for diskless) |
| 10:52.41 | sep | they would need ram for (anything) |
| 10:52.42 | Sepero | Think $30 is fair? |
| 10:52.45 | cast | except the stack |
| 10:52.45 | sep | yes except that :) |
| 10:52.46 | cast | [eh, stack of computers prosposed above^ i mean] |
| 10:52.47 | cast | i know. |
| 10:52.47 | Sepero | Yeah, I tried booting one up with a LiveCD and just heard beeping. no ram |
| 10:52.47 | cast | make a piece of artwork, then sell it to some homose^H^H^H^H^H^Hart collector |
| 10:52.48 | sep | Sepero, if you have a high shelf you can make a staircase out of them |
| 10:52.49 | Sepero | mcreichelt: apt-get remove ssh |
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| 10:55.07 | mcreichelt | Sepero: and how can I connect to my server then? |
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| 10:55.15 | cast | mcreichelt: install lsh? :D |
| 10:55.22 | cast | mcreichelt: [its a gnu version of ssh] |
| 10:55.36 | mcreichelt | hmm... |
| 10:56.00 | Sepero | mcreichelt: You have to uninstall it. It won't stop giving you errors until you do. You can try reinstalling it later. |
| 10:56.08 | cast | he can uninstall sshd and not get logged out, as long as he doesn't lose the connection, right? |
| 10:56.09 | mcreichelt | hmm |
| 10:56.09 | mcreichelt | I have 1 try |
| 10:56.09 | mcreichelt | ok lets try |
| 10:56.09 | Sepero | cast: I have no idea. Is this all remote? |
| 10:56.10 | Sepero | mcreichelt: Don't do it |
| 10:56.10 | Sepero | mcreichelt: If you're doing this remotely, then don't |
| 10:56.11 | mcreichelt | ? |
| 10:56.11 | mcreichelt | I have no other option |
| 10:56.11 | cast | Gnea: where's your sense of adventure! |
| 10:56.12 | Gnea | heh |
| 10:56.12 | mcreichelt | or do I have one? |
| 10:56.12 | Gnea | mcreichelt: do you run debian locally? |
| 10:56.13 | Sepero | mcreichelt: It will most likely kick your session. |
| 10:56.13 | mcreichelt | yes |
| 10:56.13 | mcreichelt | I expected that |
| 10:56.13 | cast | i'll try it on my server |
| 10:56.13 | mcreichelt | hmm |
| 10:56.13 | cast | [removing ssh that is |
| 10:56.13 | mcreichelt | hmm |
| 10:56.13 | Sepero | mcreichelt: Debian should shut down any network program before removing it. |
| 10:56.35 | xingu | just log in via telnet instead |
| 10:56.35 | mcreichelt | just well that I made a complete backup before :) |
| 10:56.35 | mcreichelt | hmm |
| 10:56.36 | Sepero | mcreichelt: Will you have any way of accessing the box later, if ssh kicks you. |
| 10:56.38 | cast | xingu: better to use lsh-server instead of telnetd imo |
| 10:56.39 | mcreichelt | I think that I should set up a new system - with debian Etch right away |
| 10:56.39 | Sepero | mcreichelt: xingu is right, you could use telnet |
| 10:56.39 | Gnea | mcreichelt: good idea :) |
| 10:56.41 | Sepero | mcreichelt: Etch is not stable yet |
| 10:56.44 | mcreichelt | I know |
| 10:56.44 | mcreichelt | but I wanted PHP5 to work |
| 10:56.46 | Sepero | mcreichelt: Did you try backports? |
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| 10:56.46 | mcreichelt | I just need it for a project called "Linux Drivers" |
| 10:56.46 | Gnea | php5 works in sarge |
| 10:56.47 | Gnea | !backports |
| 10:56.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 10:56.47 | pstickne | shoot. what's the name of screen capture program? (I always forget) |
| 10:56.47 | cast | well, i removed sshd. can still use the shell fine. i just can't login again, but as long as i don't loose the current session :) |
| 10:56.48 | mcreichelt | Sepero: no, I wanted to use the official repositories :-/ |
| 10:56.48 | Gnea | pstickne: there are many, but scrot is one |
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| 10:56.49 | Sepero | mcreichelt: Do you know about pinning? |
| 10:56.49 | pstickne | Gnea, thanks, that's actually the one I was using :) |
| 10:56.49 | mcreichelt | pinning? |
| 10:56.52 | cast | pstickne: import -window root pic.png if you have imagemagick |
| 10:56.52 | Gnea | mcreichelt: backports *are* official |
| 10:56.53 | mcreichelt | oh |
| 10:56.53 | mcreichelt | k :-/ |
| 10:56.53 | pstickne | cast, ooh, cool |
| 10:56.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:56.53 | mcreichelt | it's just too late know to use them |
| 10:56.54 | mcreichelt | well |
| 10:56.54 | cast | Gnea: only backports.org? or are there other backport repos? |
| 10:56.54 | Sepero | mcreichelt: You can find out about pinning with: man apt_preferences |
| 10:56.55 | Gnea | cast: there are many mirrors listed on the site |
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| 10:56.55 | mcreichelt | before I restart my server and start a rescue system, I may try removing ssh and installing lsh-server |
| 10:57.14 | mcreichelt | apt-get -f remove ssh && apt-get install lsh-server ? |
| 10:57.14 | Sepero | mcreichelt: Pinning gives certain repositories priority over others. Otherwise apt-get just tries to upgrade everything to the newest version. |
| 10:57.15 | mcreichelt | hmm |
| 10:57.15 | Sepero | apt-get install lsh-server -> apt-get install lsh-server -y |
| 10:57.16 | cast | he wont lose the terminal on removing ssh anyway, so it'll be fine :), |
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| 10:57.29 | xingu | still bloody dangerous to only have one method of remote access, and, to replumb it inband |
| 10:57.32 | xingu | that's just hankering for a spankering |
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| 10:57.32 | Sepero | mcreichelt: You should always use the program 'screen'. It will allow you to resume anytime you lose a ssh connection. |
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| 10:57.33 | cast | xingu: 'before I restart my server and start a rescue system,' doesn't sound so dangerous :) |
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| 10:57.33 | Sepero | Anyone else in here agree that 'screen' rocks? I love that program. |
| 10:57.35 | schme | Sepero: Maybe you would want to look into ratpoison then. |
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| 10:57.38 | marcreichelt | well |
| 10:57.39 | marcreichelt | I loosed my network connection here in university |
| 10:57.39 | marcreichelt | and was not able to reconnect |
| 10:57.39 | marcreichelt | that means that I _have_ to boot the rescue system :-/ |
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| 10:57.40 | cast | that's what i mean, if you break something you can fix it |
| 10:57.40 | marcreichelt | just had a cow running and messing through my system |
| 10:57.40 | marcreichelt | :-/ |
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| 10:57.42 | xingu | ... and if you'd been using telnet, that wouldn't have happened; but hey, it's all learning, right? |
| 10:57.42 | Sepero | heh |
| 10:57.42 | cast | xingu: well, hes opted for lsh-server instead of telnetd |
| 10:57.42 | g333k | hi, how do I umount a directory that was mounted with sshfs? |
| 10:57.42 | Sepero | Was telnet even installed? |
| 10:57.43 | cast | xingu: so what's the difference? except lsh is going to over security, whereas telnetd wont |
| 10:57.43 | xingu | cast: unless the default allows you to run it on a different port to his openssh, that's functionally equivalent to just upgrading openssh |
| 10:57.43 | sep | marcreichelt, morale: keep live stock out of the university computer lab's |
| 10:57.44 | marcreichelt | yes |
| 10:57.44 | marcreichelt | that _really_ is the morale here *g* |
| 10:57.44 | cast | xingu: oh, you're advocating always having two methods to login? |
| 10:57.45 | xingu | cast: yes |
| 10:57.48 | marcreichelt | our network connection here is _very_ bad |
| 10:57.52 | cast | xingu: isn't that 2x more obvious ways to get remote root? |
| 10:57.54 | marcreichelt | but if it's working, it's pretty fast |
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| 10:57.56 | xingu | cast: they certainly both need to be thought through from that angle, yes |
| 10:57.57 | xingu | cast: particularly if your alternate access is remote console access |
| 10:57.57 | Sepero | schme: I'm not a ratpoison fan. I don't hate using the mouse, but in a terminal, it's pretty much useless. |
| 10:57.59 | Sepero | Fatal server error: |
| 10:58.00 | Sepero | could not open default font 'fixed'; |
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| 10:58.05 | Sepero | That need to be installed? |
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| 10:58.21 | Phukked | Hey all, is there a way to disable ssh for a single account but still have a default shell set for that account? |
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| 10:58.23 | Sepero | Phukked: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:58.23 | MoDaX | Phukked: you will need to play with pam a bit, I guess |
| 10:58.25 | MoDaX | ah yes, or AllowUsers/AllowGroups in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:58.25 | MoDaX | and DenyGroups/DenyUsers |
| 10:58.26 | Sepero | MoDaX: Seems like the more sensible way to me. ;) |
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| 11:04.03 | Phukked | Awesome thnx guys |
| 11:05.31 | DGnome | hi! I'm installing lirc-modules .. last step i was able to complete was dpkg -i lirc-modules*.deb which installed some .o -files in /lib/modules/usr/src/linux/2.6.18.2/* ... can anyone instruct me how to build modules out of theese and install them? |
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| 11:10.39 | pravs | anybody knows when stable etch is going to be released? heard it got postponed from dec 4th |
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| 11:17.22 | marcreichelt | hmm |
| 11:17.28 | marcreichelt | I'm in my rescue system |
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| 11:17.51 | marcreichelt | and I have chrooted my installed system - now I want to run lilo |
| 11:18.07 | marcreichelt | but if I run /sbin/lilo, I get the following error: |
| 11:18.07 | marcreichelt | Fatal: Illegal 'root=' specification: /dev/hda6 |
| 11:18.10 | surfbuddy | can anyone help me with this problem : /etc/sudoers is owned by gid 50 |
| 11:18.20 | marcreichelt | but /dev/hda6 is my correct root partition |
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| 11:22.27 | mcreichelt | argh |
| 11:22.45 | mcreichelt | this network connection is really bad |
| 11:22.56 | surfbuddy | ide |
| 11:23.23 | mcreichelt | well |
| 11:23.52 | zoggy | ajehals-lappy: just wanted to let you guys know that i've successfully got that bonding working and life's great! thanks a million! have a brilliant christmas guys |
| 11:23.54 | mcreichelt | I gave lilo the correct root partition |
| 11:23.54 | Grubby | which network? |
| 11:23.57 | surfbuddy | can anyone help me with this problem : /etc/sudoers is owned by gid 50 |
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| 11:26.04 | k-man__ | does the ssh server log error messages anywhere by default/ |
| 11:26.05 | k-man__ | ? |
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| 11:29.13 | PerfDave | k-man__: What sort of error messages? It logs a lot of stuff to /var/log/auth.log |
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| 11:30.49 | k-man__ | PerfDave, when i ssh to my box, it just says connection closed |
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| 11:30.59 | k-man__ | and client side verbose messages reveal nothing of use |
| 11:31.39 | PerfDave | k-man__: Did you check /var/log/auth.log for anything useful yet? |
| 11:31.42 | k-man__ | oh, i get this error |
| 11:31.47 | k-man__ | yes, looking now |
| 11:31.49 | k-man__ | Dec 18 21:27:22 blue pam_limits[11003]: setrlimit limit #7 to soft=-1, hard=-1 failed: Operation not permitted; uid=0 euid=0 |
| 11:32.01 | k-man__ | Dec 18 21:27:22 blue sshd[11003]: fatal: PAM: pam_setcred(): Permission denied |
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| 11:32.32 | k-man__ | any ideas? |
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| 11:37.51 | ghatak | Hi, |
| 11:38.49 | ghatak | just started Debian, X cant start, installed gnome. help!!! |
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| 11:48.02 | fireba11 | ghatak noone will be able to help you if you "describe" your problem like that |
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| 11:48.07 | ghatak | fireba11: Right, Well i am using sarge, installed base system. then did 'apt-get install gnome'. That should have installed X too. When i do startx, i get the error that X cant start. Do i need to do any configuration for X. if so how ? |
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| 11:48.07 | JohnnyST | hi |
| 11:48.07 | blondie | ghatak: no |
| 11:48.07 | blondie | ghatak: installing gnome shouldn't have installed X too |
| 11:48.07 | blondie | but anyway, pastebin the error message(s) |
| 11:48.08 | blondie | but yes you need to configure X |
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| 11:48.38 | JohnnyST | I would like to add an remote control to the USB HID driver since it should be an normal hid device, where should I add the usb id? in linux-2.6.19.1/drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c or? |
| 11:49.34 | ghatak | blondie: here is the error ' X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory, aborting) |
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| 11:49.45 | JohnnyST | Or perhaps I need to do some usbsnooping in win32 first? |
| 11:49.54 | blondie | ghatak: guess X isn't installed then |
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| 11:52.44 | ghatak | blondie: so i should install X i guess, 'apt-get install ??' |
| 11:52.44 | blondie | xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:52.44 | ghatak | thanks |
| 11:52.44 | surfbuddy | i am trying to connect a board through minicom..but it doesnt show any results... whereas the same in hypertermnal works |
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| 11:52.51 | blondie | surfbuddy: what does "connect a board" mean? |
| 11:53.02 | tarzeau | wow people still use sarge |
| 11:53.18 | blondie | tarzeau: yes, it's stable. |
| 11:53.41 | surfbuddy | i did atp-get install minicom.. blondie ... board is a atmel ARM9 microcontroller |
| 11:53.46 | surfbuddy | with a debug port |
| 11:53.57 | blondie | I see |
| 11:54.15 | iacopop | somebody has never installed opengroupware.org? |
| 11:54.18 | ghatak | blondie: i installed that, how do i configure it ? |
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| 11:55.00 | surfbuddy | so...when iconnect it via the hyperterminal in windows..it shows me what the microcontroller sends onto the debug port |
| 11:55.25 | surfbuddy | how do i get it going in minicom.. ? i use 8N1 and xmodem as the protocol |
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| 11:56.58 | blondie | ghatak: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 I think. |
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| 11:57.35 | surfbuddy | blondie, have u ever worked with minicom.. |
| 11:57.49 | blondie | sorry I don't understand |
| 11:57.56 | surfbuddy | blondie, whats the /dev file for a monitor ? |
| 11:58.12 | blondie | a monitor? there isn't one |
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| 11:59.49 | iacopop | have you ever installed opengroupware.org? |
| 12:00.03 | surfbuddy | blondie, i mean a bildschirm.. the screen where u ..see the computer actvities |
| 12:00.13 | surfbuddy | i dont know..how is it called in English |
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| 12:01.50 | blondie | surfbuddy: "you"... |
| 12:01.50 | blondie | and the monitor has no entry in /dev |
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| 12:01.55 | surfbuddy | what about the serial port ? |
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| 12:02.18 | blondie | /dev/ttyS{0,1} |
| 12:02.24 | blondie | etc |
| 12:02.43 | ghatak | blondie: when i do startx i get this error now 'Fatal Server Error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 12:05.46 | DerJamster | ghatak: fonts are installed and in the xorg.conf/xfree86.conf? |
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| 12:07.28 | ghatak | DerJamster: i can see xorg.conf under /etc/X11/ |
| 12:07.34 | ghatak | DerJamster: so it must be the one |
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| 12:07.58 | blondie | ghatak: what? there is no xorg on sarge |
| 12:07.59 | Sepero | How can I tell what software a website is using? |
| 12:08.08 | blondie | Sepero: netcraft.com? |
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| 12:08.51 | Sepero | I already tried netcraft. It didn't show. |
| 12:09.08 | blondie | ask the webmaster |
| 12:09.22 | ghatak | blondie: i did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and i got this file automatically created in /etc/X11 , there is no xfree86 |
| 12:09.31 | blondie | that's impossible |
| 12:09.50 | blondie | unless you're not using sarge. |
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| 12:12.11 | ghatak | how do i check if it is sarge or not ? |
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| 12:12.11 | ghatak | uname -r ? |
| 12:12.11 | blondie | no |
| 12:12.12 | blondie | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:12.13 | blondie | it'll say either "sarge" or "stable" for sarge; "etch" or "testing" for etch |
| 12:12.13 | blondie | or unstable/sid for that |
| 12:14.37 | ghatak | Etch , my appologies. What does this mean anyway ? |
| 12:14.51 | ghatak | blondie: do i have to reinstall, or can i get this working, What i mean is it, it is going to take lot of time to get this going ? |
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| 12:16.39 | blondie | umm I dunno |
| 12:17.05 | bakfupai_ | Hmm, I upgraded to etch (over ssh, not my comp) and my computer died at the totally wrong time and now I can't ssh to it. I get this: Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer <- what does that mean? Could it be something to do with the /etc/hosts.deny? |
| 12:17.49 | DerJamster | ghatak: you should be able to get it working. |
| 12:17.55 | DerJamster | ghatak: does /etc/apt/sources.list say stable/sarge, testing/etch or unstable/sid in it somewhere? |
| 12:18.11 | bakfupai_ | Or do you know what is wrong? We've upgraded the openssh-server package and restartet the ssh daemon. |
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| 12:18.46 | bakfupai_ | *restarted |
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| 12:23.09 | davidovic1 | hey, i want to install debian for the first time, i downloaded and burned the netinstall iso, everything goes fine, but on the point of hardware detection, no network interface is found, and i am asked to select manually a module from a given list, i tried some possibilities, but no one works for me, and without my internet connection its impossible to install, anyone an idee, i have 2 LAN ports on the motherboard, that works fine unde |
| 12:24.21 | tarzeau | davidovic1: what network card do you have? |
| 12:24.39 | davidovic1 | 2 onboard interfaces |
| 12:24.47 | tarzeau | davidovic1: yeah but who produced them? |
| 12:24.57 | davidovic1 | MSI K9N platinum |
| 12:24.58 | tarzeau | davidovic1: and what netinst did you take? stable? testing? |
| 12:25.05 | davidovic1 | stable |
| 12:25.07 | tarzeau | davidovic1: which kernel do you use at install time? |
| 12:25.09 | tarzeau | oh forget it |
| 12:25.13 | tarzeau | try testing/etch |
| 12:25.38 | davidovic1 | that would fix the problem? |
| 12:26.36 | davidovic1 | how can i see the kernel version in install process? |
| 12:26.59 | davidovic1 | i used this one: debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 12:27.23 | tarzeau | davidovic1: alt-f2, enter, uname -a |
| 12:27.31 | tarzeau | davidovic1: it MIGHT fix the problem, try |
| 12:27.36 | tarzeau | yes this one is very old |
| 12:27.45 | tarzeau | www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 12:27.49 | blondie | I'd maybe use etch instead c.c |
| 12:27.52 | schme | vitesse VSC8601 is the integrated ethernet on msi k9n platinum |
| 12:28.01 | blondie | it has much newer kernels |
| 12:28.11 | blondie | (and other software) |
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| 12:29.31 | schme | hrmm.. |
| 12:29.35 | davidovic1 | ok, i ll try again with newer version. |
| 12:29.59 | schme | davidovic1: google has led me to believe you want a driver named forcedeth |
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| 12:31.21 | uws | ls -l |
| 12:31.21 | uws | ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 12:31.21 | uws | Is that normal? |
| 12:31.23 | uws | ;) |
| 12:31.35 | blondie | no |
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| 12:32.00 | davidovic1 | owkey, thanx for the answers |
| 12:32.34 | surfbuddy | damn .i am having a tough time renaming a bunch of files.. doesnt mmv recurse into direcotries and renames the file.. ? |
| 12:32.49 | mrstocks | Hi, to add a comment in a bind9 /var/cache/bind/file do we use a // or /* or - string... |
| 12:33.19 | castoff | use find with --exec |
| 12:33.28 | uws | hmmm downgrading libattr1 (2.4.35-1 => 2.4.32-1) seems to fix it |
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| 12:34.13 | surfbuddy | castoff, i wanted to rename all .S files to .s but also wanted to recurse into the directory... can u help please ? |
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| 12:35.10 | blahdeblah_ | Why would postfix pull in dependencies like emacsen-common and xpdf-utils? http://rafb.net/paste/results/y04iAN51.html |
| 12:35.10 | blahdeblah_ | Actually, that's postfix-ldap - here's postfix: http://rafb.net/paste/results/9NakqN83.html |
| 12:35.32 | blahdeblah_ | (Should i be asking this in #debian-devel?) |
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| 12:39.48 | Groundy | hrm, exim4's virtual hosting is broken since apt upgrade :-( |
| 12:39.56 | Groundy | "lowest numbered MX record points to local host" |
| 12:40.07 | Groundy | any tips besides exim -bt |
| 12:40.08 | Groundy | ? |
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| 12:41.30 | mne | can anyone suggest a FAT undelete program ? I accidently deleted the files on my digital camera |
| 12:41.47 | Groundy | mne: there's always GetDataBack, but it only runs under win32, |
| 12:42.01 | _Brandon_ | hi, i'm using debian unstable, after updating today i'm getting some errors like ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
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| 12:42.56 | mne | Groundy, hmm, I don't have any windows boxes .. |
| 12:43.13 | Groundy | mne: it might run under winPE |
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| 12:44.21 | santibiotico | hi |
| 12:44.38 | santibiotico | can anyone recommend me a wiki server? |
| 12:44.44 | mne | Groundy, hmm, i'll have a look at it. thanks |
| 12:44.55 | rvalles | santibiotico: apache2 + mediawiki + mysql |
| 12:45.02 | santibiotico | thanks rvalles |
| 12:45.10 | rvalles | santibiotico: is what I use, and it's the same software wikipedia uses. |
| 12:45.20 | rvalles | santibiotico: pretty, well-mantained. |
| 12:45.22 | Groundy | mne: yea, there are instructions on the runtime.org site, on how to add GDB to a PE cdrom |
| 12:46.05 | bakfupai_ | what is the init script called for ssh server in debian etch? isn't it /etc/init.d/sshd ? |
| 12:46.42 | Groundy | bakfupai_: yep, sounds right |
| 12:46.43 | mne | Groundy, I'll see if I can install winPE in a vmware/qemu environment. |
| 12:46.43 | Groundy | bakfupai_: actually it's just /etc/init.d/ssh |
| 12:46.44 | Groundy | mne: cool, |
| 12:46.46 | Groundy | mne: probably easier to get to the usb device that way anyways |
| 12:46.59 | Groundy | mne: have you taken a disk image of the drive in the mean time? |
| 12:47.06 | bakfupai_ | Groundy: Ah, okay. |
| 12:47.23 | mne | Groundy, yes. just in case something goes wrong ;) |
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| 12:48.20 | tarzeau | does someone have a pbuilder where he could build something for me please? |
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| 12:48.58 | bakfupai_ | Groundy: do you know what it means when I get Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer when sshing to a comp? |
| 12:49.27 | Groundy | bakfupai_: "Connection reset by peer" means that the connection was closed by the remote host, |
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| 12:49.34 | mne | Groundy, hah, cool. i just found PhotoRec (it's included in the newest testdisk distribution). it seems to work |
| 12:49.35 | Groundy | so maybe you're not in the allowed list? |
| 12:49.41 | Groundy | mne: cool |
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| 12:49.58 | Groundy | mne: looks tailor made :-) |
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| 12:50.13 | bakfupai_ | Hmm, that would maybe mean I'm not in the /etc/hosts.allow? |
| 12:50.29 | mne | Groundy, yep. seems like I'm not the only one who accidently deleted some pictures ;) |
| 12:50.48 | bakfupai_ | is that where it's located in debian |
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| 12:51.15 | bakfupai_ | ? |
| 12:51.19 | Groundy | bakfupai_: could be, |
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| 12:51.36 | Groundy | bakfupai_: I didn't know that ssh used hosts.allow, but maybe it does |
| 12:52.03 | bakfupai_ | it can, but it shouldn't by default i think. |
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| 12:52.17 | bakfupai_ | what version is the debian etch sshd? |
| 12:52.42 | bakfupai_ | Because I see: OpenSSH 3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.6 (protocol 2.0) when scanning port 22. |
| 12:55.16 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: That looks like the Debian Sarge SSH server, the clue's in the name ; |
| 12:55.17 | PerfDave | ) |
| 12:56.11 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: My Etch sshd says: OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-7, OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006 |
| 12:57.25 | bakfupai_ | Yeah, but why is that one running? We've done /etc/init.d/restart several times and did apt-get install openssh-server - I don't understand |
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| 12:57.26 | PerfDave | /etc/init.d/restart ? |
| 12:57.26 | Groundy | bakfupai_: try stopping the server and see if you can still connect |
| 12:57.26 | bakfupai_ | sorry, /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 12:57.41 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Anything in /var/log/auth.log ? |
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| 12:59.19 | _Brandon_ | pls someone could help me? i can't do anything with this problem: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol fsetxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 12:59.52 | PerfDave | _Brandon_: Which version of Debian are you using, what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:00.47 | _Brandon_ | PerfDave: debian unstable, after an update this morning i get this error |
| 13:00.56 | _Brandon_ | PerfDave: for example with ls -l |
| 13:01.16 | PerfDave | _Brandon_: Welcome to unstable ;) |
| 13:01.17 | _Brandon_ | PerfDave: or make install and kde doesn't start anymore |
| 13:01.21 | PerfDave | _Brandon_: Did you check the BTS? |
| 13:01.38 | _Brandon_ | PerfDave: yes |
| 13:01.43 | _Brandon_ | i've also downgraded libacl1 |
| 13:02.04 | PerfDave | What about whatever package contains libattr? |
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| 13:02.42 | xingu | ... libattr1 |
| 13:02.43 | Cald | hello |
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| 13:02.50 | asg | PerfDave: it's in the bts, downgrade to libattr1_2.4.32-1_i386.deb is recommended |
| 13:03.03 | _Brandon_ | lol i'm so stupid :D |
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| 13:03.06 | asg | someone should also put it in the topic |
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| 13:03.15 | bigwig | hi |
| 13:03.28 | bigwig | i have debian sarge |
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| 13:03.36 | _Brandon_ | thanks for your help :) |
| 13:03.45 | PerfDave | asg: Is "unstable has broken packages" particularly topicworthy? It's not like anyone reads the /topic anyway ;) |
| 13:03.57 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: hmm, what should we be looking for in /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 13:04.07 | Cald | how can i start a prog with a specific priority plz ? |
| 13:04.14 | _Brandon_ | Cald: nice |
| 13:04.19 | Cald | to not have to use renice just after |
| 13:04.19 | asg | PerfDave: it's easier to point them at the /topic than explain the issue every time someone shows up |
| 13:04.27 | bigwig | if networking is on (/etc/init.d/networking start) then entering 'mc' does not start the commander, it waits for eternety |
| 13:04.46 | bigwig | if networking is off (/etc/init.d/networking stop) then 'mc' works perfectly |
| 13:04.54 | bigwig | why, please help me |
| 13:04.55 | asg | PerfDave: maybe some form of smite to reinforce this |
| 13:04.56 | PerfDave | asg: Bot factoid! |
| 13:05.18 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Anything unusual? |
| 13:06.25 | xingu | asg: there's a relatively high congruency between the set of folk who can't use bts and the set of folk who can't read /topic |
| 13:06.30 | asg | !libattr1 issue is <reply>downgrade to 'libattr1_2.4.32-1_i386.deb' on sid. |
| 13:06.31 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 13:06.43 | vlt | Hello. What is the safest way to print a pdf file from shell? |
| 13:06.53 | PerfDave | "safest"? |
| 13:06.59 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Yeah, thing is my friend who actually can access the computer doesn't know what's unusual... |
| 13:07.02 | Groundy | bigwig: probably DISPLAY set to an unreachable host |
| 13:07.14 | asg | xingu: sadly |
| 13:07.14 | Groundy | bigwig: try unset DISPLAY;mc |
| 13:07.16 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: But you do, right? |
| 13:07.32 | Groundy | Cald: start it with 'nice' |
| 13:07.55 | Groundy | Cald: eg: nice -n 5 cmd |
| 13:08.14 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Yeah, probably. |
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| 13:08.47 | vlt | PerfDave: The printer is 300 miles away and i don't want to cause trouble there ;-) |
| 13:09.02 | bigwig | Groundy: DISPLAY is empty |
| 13:09.07 | vlt | The printer is concected on USB and availbale in CUPS, too. |
| 13:09.25 | vlt | s/concected/connected/ |
| 13:09.39 | PerfDave | vlt: So don't print out al Qua'ida training manuals and phone the FBI |
| 13:09.48 | Groundy | bigwig: maybe run tcpdump to see what mc is trying to doi |
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| 13:10.13 | vlt | PerfDave: ROFL |
| 13:10.46 | Cald | ok thx _Brandon_ Groundy |
| 13:11.34 | PerfDave | Groundy sounds like a Noobuntu release :) |
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| 13:14.26 | cr3 | how can I split files across multiple packages in a single project directory? I have the two packages listed in debian/control and I'm using cdbs |
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| 13:16.00 | bakfupai_ | where is sshd located in debian? isn't it supposed to be located in /usr/sbin/sshd? |
| 13:16.14 | Groundy | bakfupai_: it is |
| 13:16.23 | PerfDave | dpkg -L openssh-server |
| 13:16.24 | dpkg | ii openssh-server 1.2-3.2 perfdave's private stamp collection |
| 13:16.42 | DimmuR | bakfupai_: whereis sshd shoud tell you |
| 13:16.43 | Groundy | bakfupai_: use `netstat -lnp | grep 22` to find the pid, |
| 13:16.58 | Groundy | bakfupai_: if it's currently running, |
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| 13:17.04 | bakfupai_ | we killed the sshd process like you said. |
| 13:17.19 | poncha | is it possible to write into a file character that would (1) linefeed when i cat/tail/head and (2) yet stay on the same line so i could use grep successfully on any part of the line (before or after this character) ? |
| 13:17.22 | Groundy | bakfupai_: but there's still something listening? |
| 13:17.43 | bakfupai_ | no, but my friend couldn't start /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 13:17.49 | poncha | i know i want too much:) asking just in case the "too much" is actually possible :) |
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| 13:18.10 | PerfDave | poncha: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 13:18.43 | bakfupai_ | So maybe the openssh-server package isn't installed... or it's located somewhere else |
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| 13:18.58 | Groundy | poncha: treat the file as binary? |
| 13:19.19 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: dpkg -l openssh-server will tell you whether it's installed, dpkg -L openssh-server will tell you what it contains. |
| 13:19.40 | poncha | PerfDave, i have an application that writes logs.. and besides log message itself it writes a lot of extra information... right now the "extra" takes up 2/3 of the line... and if i had linefeed before the real message, it would be more human readable... but i dont want to lose ability to grep it :) |
| 13:19.57 | poncha | Groundy, what do you mean ? |
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| 13:20.20 | Groundy | poncha: depends if you want to filter the file, or find all files containing strings, |
| 13:20.24 | PerfDave | poncha: Why not use cut or something to read it? |
| 13:20.32 | poncha | Groundy, filter, normally |
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| 13:20.41 | Groundy | poncha: why not log using one line, and post-grep format it with sed or perl or something? |
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| 13:20.44 | poncha | PerfDave, tail -f logfile | grep smth |
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| 13:20.59 | PerfDave | poncha: Yes? |
| 13:21.10 | PerfDave | Groundy: Or cut :) |
| 13:21.12 | poncha | i can sed that, but it doesnt work with tail -f :( |
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| 13:21.52 | PerfDave | poncha: Why not? |
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| 13:22.19 | Groundy | maybe the logfile isn't being flushed |
| 13:22.19 | Zvpun | how can I reinstall all packages. some files are corrupt |
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| 13:23.04 | PerfDave | Groundy: By tail, by sed or by the upstream application? |
| 13:23.20 | Groundy | PerfDave: probably the upstream, |
| 13:23.43 | PerfDave | Groundy: poncha hasn't mentioned a problem just using tail | grep |
| 13:23.47 | poncha | PerfDave, thats logfile of my company application :) its custom format more or less, but plaintext... line looks like that : timestamp [PID] [remote addr ip] [LOGLEVEL] caller:line: message |
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| 13:23.59 | Groundy | PerfDave: I guess, |
| 13:24.29 | Groundy | poncha: are you trying tail -f file | grep smth, or grep smth file | tail -f ? |
| 13:24.44 | poncha | Groundy, tail -f file | grep smth |
| 13:25.20 | poncha | that works ok, but still, i need to start reading the *message* itself on the second half of the line :) |
| 13:25.48 | poncha | caller is filename, and sometimes contains path to the file :) |
| 13:26.16 | poncha | and timestamp contains iso date-time + milliseconds |
| 13:26.29 | poncha | so imagine the length :) |
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| 13:26.49 | Groundy | so are you trying tail -f file | grep smth | awk ? |
| 13:26.58 | Groundy | ugh tail -f file | grep smth | sed |
| 13:27.36 | anapivirtua_ | Hello` all. |
| 13:27.41 | bakfupai_ | desired=unknown/install/remove/purge/hold |
| 13:27.41 | bakfupai_ | status=not/installed/config-files/unpacked/failed-config/half-installed |
| 13:27.54 | PerfDave | !paste |
| 13:27.55 | bakfupai_ | does that tell wether sshd is installed? |
| 13:27.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 13:27.55 | Groundy | poncha: you could always use perl :-) |
| 13:28.11 | bigwig | Groundy: running tcpdump -i lo gives me "icmp 56: host 192.168.xxx.yyy unreachable" (mc not running when network is on, sorry for the delay) |
| 13:28.15 | bakfupai_ | sorry. |
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| 13:29.04 | poncha | Groundy, yeah, sure ;)) |
| 13:29.22 | dorel__ | does anyone know if there's a driver for a nic of type NetXtreme 1000 T+ Dual-Port PCI-X 1GbE? |
| 13:29.35 | poncha | when trying to sed it to linebreak after some pattern, i have sed "freeze" and wait for smth and actually dont see any output |
| 13:29.43 | poncha | although grep brings results |
| 13:29.50 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: So, when running dpkg -l openssh-server, what should we be looking for? |
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| 13:30.22 | bigwig | Groundy: 192.168.xxx.yyy was a _very_ slow dns server. commenting it out from resolv.conf solved the problem, thank you very much |
| 13:30.24 | poncha | i mean, it does not really "-f" |
| 13:30.28 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Whether it's installed or not :) |
| 13:31.05 | PerfDave | poncha: What happens if you just cat the file into sed, rather than tail it? |
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| 13:31.34 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: Yeah, but I don't know how to explain that to my friend. And he can't paste anything, so... |
| 13:31.34 | Groundy | bigwig: tcpdump seems to think that 192.168.x.x _isn't_ a machine that is on the network at the moment |
| 13:31.42 | poncha | PerfDave, oh, i found the problem in the pattern.. silly me ;) |
| 13:31.45 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Why can't he paste anything? |
| 13:31.51 | PerfDave | poncha: I thought that might be it ;p |
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| 13:31.57 | poncha | but it didnt even produce empty lines... hm |
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| 13:32.34 | bakfupai_ | PerfDave: He's in the console and I don't feel like explaining gpm to him...and sshing and pasting obviously doesn't work. |
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| 13:32.52 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Why not? |
| 13:33.06 | trash_ | Hello everybody, I'v updated mt |
| 13:33.10 | bakfupai_ | Because the ssh server isn't working. |
| 13:33.23 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: I thought you were just running an old version of the ssh server |
| 13:33.26 | trash_ | my debian desktop this morning and kde doesn't work anymore |
| 13:33.37 | Groundy | hrm, tail -f | sed - doesn't flush right |
| 13:33.45 | poncha | thanks PerfDave |
| 13:33.46 | trash_ | is there a bug in kdm update ? |
| 13:33.57 | bakfupai_ | We were, it didn't work, so we shut it down and am now trying to find how to run it again... |
| 13:33.57 | trash_ | I can't start kdm anymore ... |
| 13:34.39 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: OK, have you got openssh-server installed? |
| 13:35.06 | Groundy | bakfupai_: /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
| 13:35.45 | bakfupai_ | Yeah, I would think so. But since I can't see any output and my friend can't paste, I'm kinda in the dark... |
| 13:36.03 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Why can't this "friend" of yours paste anything? |
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| 13:37.51 | moshii | trash_: does X start at all? |
| 13:39.42 | PerfDave | trash_: Which version of Debian have you installed? Is there anything in your X log? Have you checked the BTS? :) |
| 13:39.42 | bakfupai_ | Maybe apt-get -f install openssh-server will fix it, mm?! |
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| 13:39.42 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: I wouldn't use -f unless you're entirely sure what you're doing. |
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| 13:39.42 | bakfupai_ | Okay. it's a no then. |
| 13:39.42 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Now, why can't this friend of yours paste anything, and why can't he tell you whether you've got openssh-server installed? |
| 13:40.40 | bakfupai_ | I don't know how to explain how he is supposed to paste when in the console. And he can't tell me because he hasn't used linux like at all. |
| 13:41.04 | Groundy | right click, middle click, gpm's pretty easy |
| 13:41.26 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: So tell him what to look for. |
| 13:41.41 | PerfDave | Groundy: screen's easier, IMHO |
| 13:41.50 | bakfupai_ | That's kinda hard since I don't use debian normally. |
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| 13:42.04 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: And yet you're some kind of consultant on this installation? |
| 13:42.19 | trash_ | ParfDave > I'm in unstable |
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| 13:42.39 | PerfDave | trash_: Is there anything in your X log? Have you checked the BTS? |
| 13:42.42 | trash_ | moshii > yes X starts |
| 13:43.01 | bakfupai_ | unpayed, did a favour for a friend, that's it. I wouldn't have picked debian if I had a choice, i'll tell you that much. |
| 13:43.01 | trash_ | PerfDave > What's "BTS" ? |
| 13:43.04 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 13:43.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:43.14 | Groundy | PerfDave: you need ssh to use screen :-) |
| 13:43.20 | PerfDave | Groundy: Sorry? |
| 13:43.39 | Groundy | PerfDave: oh, right, nm, -- I don't use console's much |
| 13:43.48 | Groundy | PerfDave: I only ever use screen via ssh |
| 13:43.51 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: You pasted some output from dpkg -l earlier, how did you manage that? |
| 13:44.00 | streuner | hi PerfDave |
| 13:44.04 | Groundy | PerfDave: still gpm is much easier to explain to a nuub than screen |
| 13:44.15 | moshii | trash_: you need to check the logs for kdm then |
| 13:44.17 | PerfDave | Groundy: I disagree |
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| 13:44.58 | Dunedan | hm, seems to be serious problems with libacl und libattr in sid atm. |
| 13:45.05 | Groundy | PerfDave: Ctrl-A, Esc, cursor keys, Enter, cursor keys, Enter, Ctrl-A, Next, umm, what's paste? |
| 13:45.21 | PerfDave | Groundy: [ and ] |
| 13:45.26 | Groundy | PerfDave: Ctrl-A, > write to a temp file right? |
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| 13:46.15 | PerfDave | bakfupai_: Sorry, from the fact that you said you were a consultant on an installation, I was assuming a prior level of knowledge for the OS you're installing. |
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| 13:47.14 | Groundy | PerfDave: rofl, i used ctrl-a, esc,,, but that's the same as ctrl-a,[ |
| 13:48.00 | PerfDave | Groundy: There's also the consideration that screen will work when you don't have a mouse, or if your mouse is badly configured :) |
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| 13:48.10 | Groundy | PerfDave: yea, true |
| 13:49.02 | Groundy | wierd, ctrl-a, esc doesn't copy correctly, |
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| 13:49.06 | Groundy | but ctrl-a,[ does |
| 13:49.24 | mc__ | hello guys! im migrating back do debian today! woot! |
| 13:49.26 | trash_ | I found no problem in kdm/xorg log :| |
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| 13:49.41 | Neeesat25 | hello to all |
| 13:50.09 | Neeesat25 | Is it possible to have an image wile loading debian instead of black screen? |
| 13:50.27 | mc__ | Neeesat25: of course,google for linux boot splash |
| 13:50.37 | trash_ | I just have the message "Could not start kdeinit. Check your installation. " when KDE starts :s |
| 13:51.42 | Dunedan | trash_: The problem are actual versions of libacl und libattr in sid. |
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| 13:52.27 | Hadaka | where could I get some pre-release versions of linux-source-2.6.19 packages for debian? |
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| 13:52.51 | mc__ | Hadaka: isn't it already in unstable? |
| 13:52.52 | Dunedan | trash_: Have a look at ~/.xsession-errors . There should be an expressive error message. |
| 13:53.04 | Hadaka | mc__: hmmh, sorry, will check |
| 13:53.50 | Hadaka | mc__: nope, not recognized by any package listing |
| 13:54.24 | trash_ | Dunedan > yes the problem is libacl1, thx |
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| 14:03.41 | trash_ | Dunedan > thx, downgrading libattr1 + libacl1 has solve the problem |
| 14:04.19 | Dunedan | I'll wait for new packages. I think they'll be there today or tomorrow. |
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| 14:05.20 | Red_muzA | hi! cups (2.2.7) doesnt recognise my usb printer... and i can see it on lsusb. |
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| 14:05.37 | Red_muzA | anyone knows how to solve that? |
| 14:06.51 | Red_muzA | 1.2.7 sorry |
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| 14:09.30 | Neeesat25 | Do I have to enable something in the kernel for bootsplash to work? |
| 14:09.43 | mc__ | Neeesat25: you need an inital root disk |
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| 14:09.58 | mc__ | Neeesat25: it's not that easy and probably not worth it |
| 14:10.10 | Neeesat25 | inital root disk? |
| 14:10.17 | reso | Hey! Does Vixie-cron (comes with Debian) have an option to turn off logging of every action to syslog? |
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| 14:11.48 | mne | does anyone know if it is still possible to mount complete (unshared) windows drives ? some time ago something like "mount -t smbfs -o username=administrator //server/c$ /mnt/smb" was possible. however, if I do that now I get a NOSUCHSHARE error |
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| 14:12.14 | capiira | hi |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | mne: the windows admin can turn that off IIRC |
| 14:12.26 | abrotman | mne: maybe ask #samba |
| 14:12.39 | mne | abrotman, hmm, ok. thanks |
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| 14:12.44 | capiira | any have probs to boot testing 3 iso dvd? |
| 14:13.08 | capiira | *anyone |
| 14:13.26 | reso | mne, make sure your shell leaves that $ in-tact, escape it to be certain. |
| 14:14.04 | zumbi | capiira: i installed ubuntu DVD and now i'm looking for How to migrate from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 14:14.51 | PerfDave | zumbi: You can't migrate from Ubuntu to Debian, you have to do a fresh install with Debian. |
| 14:15.00 | mne | reso, ok, I will try that. I thing that $IPC is not turned off since printer sharing is turned on (which uses $IPC). do you know if smbmount has problems with empty passwords ? do I have to supply something like -opassword='' ? |
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| 14:15.28 | niru | hello all |
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| 14:15.37 | niru | I am creating installable cd |
| 14:15.44 | niru | I use the preseed file |
| 14:15.58 | capiira | im not a fan of such distros |
| 14:16.01 | niru | how can I stop using it ?is there any other process |
| 14:16.12 | capiira | distros based on others |
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| 14:16.13 | reso | mne, don't know about empty passwords.. might want to 'man' that.. I think there was a 'no-password' option as well. |
| 14:16.35 | mne | reso, yp, i'll look at the manpage ;) |
| 14:17.22 | moshii | capiira: I think he's creating an unattended install |
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| 14:17.46 | zumbi | PerfDave: i did not have internet acces, that is why i used what i had more handy, a Ubuntu LiveDVD. But i have realize that i has support for my rt2500 wifi card, but in Debian i need to install everything, then get kernel sources and compile rt2500 wireless drivers to be able to get internet, so i'm not sure if leaving it like this, but i'd like to have Debian installed |
| 14:18.17 | PerfDave | zumbi: You can't migrate from Ubuntu to Debian, you have to do a fresh install with Debian. |
| 14:18.24 | mne | reso, hmm, the man page is rather short. there is nothing like no-password mentioned ... |
| 14:18.37 | niru | could anybody answer me |
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| 14:19.13 | reso | mne, try other smb* utils, smbclient most likely has more info. |
| 14:19.23 | zumbi | !livecd |
| 14:19.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 14:19.32 | PerfDave | zumbi: You can install rt2500 drivers with the rt2500-source package and module-assistant |
| 14:20.07 | zumbi | PerfDave: but i'd need kernel sources for that, at least some headers? |
| 14:20.23 | mne | reso, thanks |
| 14:21.10 | cast | hmm, say my mum just installed pysol in synaptic inside gnome, what does it take to refresh the gnome menus so it includes it? seems to me there should be a better way than logging in and out again |
| 14:21.30 | PerfDave | zumbi: Yes, you'll need whatever package rt2500-source depends on |
| 14:22.18 | zumbi | PerfDave: i see, well, thanks |
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| 14:25.07 | capiira | so anyone got the etch dvd testing 3 dvd iso to boot ? |
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| 14:25.23 | pmo | hi.. i have a laptop.. and its screen goes off.. after a moment.. is it possible to let it ON.. all the time ? i couldn't find this on the setup... maybe as i boot linux.. something does just this,and shut it off, after a while but i don't know what it is.. only apm is activated.. but i booted with apm=off, and still screen goes off .. any idea ? |
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| 14:27.57 | zumbi | pmo: do you have vga kernel option activated? |
| 14:28.04 | zumbi | pmo: vga=771? |
| 14:28.11 | pmo | maybe |
| 14:28.27 | zumbi | if so, try to remove it |
| 14:28.45 | pmo | zumbi, no i don't have.. only vga = normal |
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| 14:29.15 | zumbi | pmo: try to boot without vga option, and play with it a little if it does not work |
| 14:29.23 | mark```` | why is tomcat4 not available with the stable release of debian? |
| 14:29.24 | capiira | ahhh testing 3 is just nr#3 of 3 dvds = no boot? |
| 14:29.54 | zumbi | capiira: yes - you are right |
| 14:30.00 | capiira | i was thinking its the newest testing version |
| 14:30.03 | capiira | lol |
| 14:30.12 | capiira | and wonder why no boot |
| 14:30.15 | capiira | heeh |
| 14:30.18 | schme | I am using m-a to install the thinkpad module (from thinkpad-source) but m-a tells me -- Binary package(s) for kernel(s): + (2.6.18-2-686): not found How do I fix this? |
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| 14:30.41 | pmo | zumbi, i'll have a look.. but sounds curious to me as this.. is related to boot time.. not really power managment.. related |
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| 14:31.09 | schme | oh |
| 14:31.30 | schme | and when I hit build I get a butload of make errors |
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| 14:32.09 | castoff | merlyn you around? |
| 14:34.24 | pmo | what triggers the switch off screen after a certain delay, i wonder ??? |
| 14:35.21 | pmo | i mean on console.. not even on X.. otherwise i would know better |
| 14:35.27 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 14:35.36 | Chris-NB | anyone got a broadcom bcm5755 chip? |
| 14:35.53 | abrotman | why?! |
| 14:36.10 | Chris-NB | cause I can't get it to work : / |
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| 14:37.09 | abrotman | tg3 |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | i think |
| 14:37.09 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 14:37.09 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 14:37.09 | Chris-NB | are you sure? |
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| 14:38.25 | pmo | the name is xset |
| 14:39.41 | pmo | zumbi, thank you.. yes i think xset is what i am looking for.. bye ;-) |
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| 14:40.12 | capiira | ohh testing dvd1+2 is offline |
| 14:40.17 | capiira | :/ |
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| 14:41.45 | capiira | or just not working for, anyone can try ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 14:42.15 | astronaute | hello |
| 14:42.27 | astronaute | is there any debian 64 for core 2 duo intel plz ? |
| 14:42.45 | sussudio | !plz |
| 14:42.45 | dpkg | from memory, plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 14:43.23 | schme | Ok so I do m-a a-i thinkpad and I get this buildlog http://pastebin.ca/283669 . Anyone have any idea what the problem is, and how to fix it? |
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| 14:44.35 | abrotman | astronaute: yes ... |
| 14:45.56 | astronaute | abrotman ia64 ? |
| 14:46.16 | astronaute | ftp://ftp.proxad.net/mirrors/cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ia64/iso-cd |
| 14:46.20 | astronaute | this one ? |
| 14:47.03 | abrotman | no .. what in the world makes you think you have IA64 hardware? |
| 14:47.11 | abrotman | !ia64 |
| 14:47.11 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 14:47.17 | astronaute | abrotman can you tell me which one then =) |
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| 14:47.36 | abrotman | i386 or amd64 |
| 14:47.46 | astronaute | amd64 for intel core 2 duo it works ? |
| 14:47.54 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 14:48.01 | astronaute | i386 is not 64 right ? |
| 14:48.21 | abrotman | !x86_64 |
| 14:48.24 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:48.25 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 14:48.25 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 14:49.12 | astronaute | abrotman thank you i will test |
| 14:49.34 | capiira | any other mirrows for testing dvds? |
| 14:50.16 | l3mr | how can i backup my mbr and partition table? ( i have to install windows on the second harddisk, but i know from experience it likes to touch the first one :( ) |
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| 14:52.09 | Ryushin | Is there a way to list the files in a package without having to install it? I'm looking for something like dpkg -L "packagename" for a package I haven't installed yet. |
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| 15:00.06 | earthian | hello, i get an error while starting openoffice.org writer: Dec 18 16:57:47 fostral kernel: soffice.bin[13622] trap divide error rip:2ae3296a22e2 rsp:7fff8c27e410 error:0 |
| 15:00.26 | earthian | i did not get this error earlier and there were no ooo updates |
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| 15:00.49 | abrotman | Ryushin: apt-file |
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| 15:05.33 | Ryushin | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 15:13.50 | Chris-NB | abrotman, tg3 is the right driver, but only in a new kernel : / -> building a new one |
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| 15:20.34 | abrotman | Chris-NB: why? |
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| 15:23.00 | Chris-NB | cause this chip is only supported in a new kernel version |
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| 15:24.34 | marinosi | i have installed a source package ( ipw3945-source) ...in which path is it downloaded?how can i find out? |
| 15:25.11 | LightKnight | marinosi: try looking at /usr/src |
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| 15:25.32 | marinosi | :D thnx LightKnight |
| 15:25.34 | LightKnight | marinosi: otherwise, "dpkg -L ipw3945-source" |
| 15:25.36 | LightKnight | :-) |
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| 15:26.49 | Bklyn | ruh roh: ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 15:27.20 | abrotman | Chris-NB: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 15:27.58 | Chris-NB | abrotman, whats that? |
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| 15:29.25 | abrotman | a 2.6.18 kernel for sarge |
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| 15:29.36 | capiira | hmm i still couldnt find a working etch testing mirror :/ |
| 15:29.56 | capiira | with dvd isos |
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| 15:31.39 | fireba11 | capiira why you want dvds anyway ? :-) |
| 15:31.42 | Bklyn | anyone else updated to latest unstable here? |
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| 15:31.59 | abrotman | capiira: wait for cdimage.d.o to come back |
| 15:32.03 | asg | !tell Bklyn about libattr1 issue |
| 15:32.04 | Bklyn | there is a bug already filed, I see it now |
| 15:32.06 | abrotman | capiira: and those DVDs will be out of date tomorrow |
| 15:32.10 | capiira | to burn and isntall |
| 15:32.18 | Bklyn | asg: thanks |
| 15:32.23 | Ronin | capiira: then do so, you dont need the dvds to do that |
| 15:32.54 | capiira | just better to have it offline |
| 15:33.25 | capiira | my connection gets resetet from time to time |
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| 15:36.43 | abrotman | probably because you're downloading DVDs |
| 15:37.06 | blondie | how can you download a physical object? |
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| 15:37.23 | capiira | nah |
| 15:37.44 | capiira | its configured so by my provider |
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| 15:38.16 | Ronin | would take less time to do a net install i bet then to get the dvds |
| 15:38.39 | blondie | capiira: change ISP! |
| 15:38.54 | capiira | nah its ok 2h for a dvd |
| 15:39.36 | CHodapp | combine a minimum wage job with my friend at the record store who can get me a DVD for about $3, and you can trade an hour of tolerating shitty customers for one DVD |
| 15:39.48 | CHodapp | so, is the physical copy worth that much? |
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| 15:41.39 | blondie | $3 minimum wage? ouch |
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| 15:42.04 | CHodapp | you've got a buck or two left over to buy some chocolate which might make you feel better about dealing with shitty customers |
| 15:42.34 | hans0lo | What is it called where you generate a list of installed packages on one debian box, to install another? |
| 15:42.43 | CHodapp | kickstart? |
| 15:42.49 | hans0lo | yeahhhh |
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| 15:42.50 | hans0lo | thank |
| 15:42.52 | hans0lo | s |
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| 15:48.01 | dirker | Hello :) Could anyone tell me in what package man7/pthreads.7.gz is included in? |
| 15:48.25 | asg | dirker: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:50.47 | streuner | !find pthreads.7.gz |
| 15:50.50 | dorel__ | check |
| 15:50.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pthreads.7.gz' (3): (/usr/share/man/man7/pthreads.7.gz) in doc/manpages ;; (/usr/share/man/ja/man7/pthreads.7.gz) in doc/manpages-ja ;; (/usr/share/man/fr/man7/pthreads.7.gz) in doc/manpages-fr. |
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| 15:51.16 | yure | hi. what's the right way to list all users. |
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| 15:55.37 | dirker | thanks :) |
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| 15:57.52 | tosh| | can pureftpd hide files/dirs from someone unless the user knows the exact path? |
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| 15:59.18 | dirker | my manpages do not seem to include pthreads.7.gz |
| 15:59.24 | dirker | stable that is |
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| 16:04.54 | jeremiah_ | hello everybody, i just finished installing debian over netinstall, my question is how do you start xserver? i tried startx but it wont load |
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| 16:05.42 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 16:11.43 | grendal_prime | where do i get that package? |
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| 16:24.48 | grendal_prime | libgnutls11 |
| 16:24.50 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 16:26.13 | roe_ | can someone give me a hand I keep getting a permission denied error when trying to mount an nfs share |
| 16:26.24 | streuner | man exports |
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| 16:26.53 | roe_ | did that, and I have a valid entry in the exports file |
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| 16:27.25 | jeremiah_ | hello, i just installed debian via netinstall, my question is how do you install a desktop manager? |
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| 16:27.42 | roe_ | streuner: /home 192.168.0.0/16(rw,sync) |
| 16:27.53 | tosh| | jeremiah_ by selecting one from the distribution and installing it using apt-get? |
| 16:29.01 | jeremiah_ | well i think it already downloaded kde during netinstall so how do i install that |
| 16:30.21 | streuner | roe_: did you give the client-user the same permissions on the server? |
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| 16:30.52 | roe_ | how does one do that? |
| 16:31.18 | streuner | well, /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 16:31.35 | streuner | and read 'Greg's' wonderful FAQ about :-) |
| 16:31.38 | jeward | So, pine is a virtual package. How do I install pine? |
| 16:31.48 | streuner | !pine |
| 16:31.48 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 16:31.48 | roe_ | if I am trying to mount /home as root from the client shouldn't I have permissions? |
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| 16:32.26 | jeward | Danke. |
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| 16:32.59 | Groundy | !exim4 |
| 16:32.59 | dpkg | well, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:34.02 | streuner | roe_: show us the whole error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 16:38.11 | Groundy | can anyone help with updating my exim4 virtual host config? |
| 16:38.18 | Groundy | the latest exim4 updates have 'disabled' it |
| 16:38.45 | streuner | what does changelog say about? |
| 16:38.46 | Groundy | something about dsearch not working any more |
| 16:39.07 | Groundy | lemme see if I can find a web link |
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| 16:40.14 | Groundy | well, it's in /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 16:40.24 | Groundy | as part of 4.62-7 |
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| 16:41.23 | Groundy | actually it was dropped in 4.63-7 |
| 16:41.40 | Groundy | Special-case "dsearch;" constructs in dc_other_hostnames, no longer supported |
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| 16:41.54 | Groundy | http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/exim4/news/20061015T103217Z.html |
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| 16:42.54 | Con-fuze-ed | Can anyone help me determine the cause of a hung server... it completely hung over the weekend. I was able to ping it, but could not do anything on the box... couldn't even log into the console. no SSH, no Webmin, no Apache, no nothing! |
| 16:43.15 | Groundy | Con-fuze-ed: is it still hung? |
| 16:43.19 | Con-fuze-ed | I have since rebooted, and all is back to normal. |
| 16:43.34 | cast_ | kernel panic? |
| 16:43.51 | Con-fuze-ed | I didn't see anything on the console, or in the logs |
| 16:44.06 | Con-fuze-ed | That's why I am here... hoping someone knows something I don't |
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| 16:44.18 | Groundy | do you have any monitoring apps like mrtg or cacti or munin? |
| 16:44.35 | Con-fuze-ed | No... I think I'm gonna set up a syslog server today though |
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| 16:44.49 | Groundy | could have been out-of-memory too |
| 16:45.10 | Con-fuze-ed | makes sense... would that show in the logs anywhere? |
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| 16:45.34 | Groundy | Con-fuze-ed: perhaps, mostly as target kill candidates, |
| 16:45.40 | Groundy | what kernel are you running? |
| 16:46.08 | Gge | Hello - I have a proble installing debian ( netinstall 3.1 rc4 ) in Acer 1650 laptop. Boot failure with "I810 audio can't be loaded" missing .. driver i810_audio . any idea ? |
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| 16:46.18 | Con-fuze-ed | Groundy: Linux version 2.6.17-2-amd64 (Debian 2.6.17-9) |
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| 16:49.58 | DGnome | hi! I'm installing lirc-modules .. last step i was able to complete was dpkg -i lirc-modules*.deb which installed some .o -files in /lib/modules/usr/src/linux/2.6.18.2/* ... can anyone instruct me how to build modules out of theese and install them? |
| 16:50.52 | Con-fuze-ed | Groundy: When I look through /var/log/syslog... I just see a bunch of CRON jobs running every so often, then nothing for 7hrs then the restart. I even had to do a hard shutdown... (md didn't like that) |
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| 16:51.15 | Groundy | Con-fuze-ed: well then it's pretty easy to guess when it died |
| 16:51.43 | Con-fuze-ed | yeah... now I just want to know why it died |
| 16:52.13 | Groundy | Con-fuze-ed: check the rest of the log files :-) |
| 16:52.25 | Groundy | Con-fuze-ed: it could also have been a hardware issue, |
| 16:53.06 | Con-fuze-ed | Groundy: been doing that... but haven't found any clues... that's why I came here... just hoping someone knew something I didn't |
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| 16:55.19 | DGnome | about the lirc-modules package, I've sortof run into an end of documentation without learning what to do next :/ |
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| 16:57.05 | Neoteric | the heck is the purpose of rpcbind and why is it always in the default install? |
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| 16:58.02 | Neoteric | err... s/rpcbind/portmap |
| 16:58.02 | naitram | anyone know of pdf viewer that will allow selection and copying of text from the pdf file |
| 16:58.07 | xingu | Neoteric: because the world can never have too many implementations of naming services |
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| 16:59.49 | raf256 | abrotman: spank my ass and call me grandpa - it works \o/ |
| 17:00.14 | raf256 | the IRDA do show in ifconfig after all, the problem was simply that I used a HUB and therefore there was problem with mA power limit |
| 17:00.14 | abrotman | raf256: good job |
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| 17:00.15 | jair | guys, how do I check a file creating a checksum and then running checksum to compare? |
| 17:00.45 | jair | I am doing some backups and I want to make sure they are good copies with not changes and corruptions |
| 17:00.49 | raf256 | actually dmesg did printed about rejecting config 0 - power limit something, I ignored it because I thought other devices printed that too and worked anyway |
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| 17:01.07 | Con-fuze-ed | jair, you want a md5 |
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| 17:01.31 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: md5? |
| 17:01.43 | raf256 | md5sum or sha1sum |
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| 17:01.52 | Con-fuze-ed | jair: md5 hash |
| 17:01.58 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: there is a place on the Internet where they explain something about how to use it? |
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| 17:02.01 | Con-fuze-ed | just giving you a keyword for google |
| 17:02.05 | nightfreak__ | hi, my server is associated with multiple i adresses. i'm looking for a way to control which one is used to connect to another host |
| 17:02.07 | Con-fuze-ed | sure... google |
| 17:02.14 | cast_ | sha1sum > md5sum |
| 17:02.17 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: all right thanks I will check |
| 17:02.18 | Con-fuze-ed | google: generate md5 had |
| 17:02.20 | Con-fuze-ed | has |
| 17:02.22 | raf256 | since java gone GNU it will be normally available in apt-get install java at some point? weeks? months? for tesitng |
| 17:02.22 | Con-fuze-ed | hash |
| 17:02.31 | Con-fuze-ed | I can't type today |
| 17:02.39 | raf256 | perhaps you are too confused |
| 17:02.44 | Con-fuze-ed | yep |
| 17:02.48 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: and i will be able of generate one of the original file then make a copy of the other one? |
| 17:02.56 | jair | hahhaa |
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| 17:03.21 | DGnome | raf256: atleast i found sun java in apt (testing) a while ago |
| 17:03.30 | Con-fuze-ed | jair: an MD5 hash can be used to check if a copy is the same as an origional... commonly used when downloading software to ensure that the download was clean |
| 17:03.41 | raf256 | DGnome: but it was java-sun thingy and I think it just wget and untarr sun package |
| 17:03.45 | jair | I will be checking on that then guys and thanks. |
| 17:03.52 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: that is what i need then |
| 17:04.02 | DGnome | raf256: let me check ^^ |
| 17:04.06 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: you are not too confuse then ;) |
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| 17:04.26 | Con-fuze-ed | jair: nah... just my fingers. |
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| 17:04.34 | roe_ | here is my pastebin |
| 17:04.34 | roe_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4840 |
| 17:04.37 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: Thank you very much |
| 17:04.54 | raf256 | zomg zomg irdadump verifies that the communication occures \o/ |
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| 17:05.08 | raf256 | now how to use that irda0 to get files? (like - from my cellphone) |
| 17:05.15 | whadar | is there a way to view (grphical tree) the dependency tree of packages ? |
| 17:05.17 | raf256 | (and prefferably send as well) |
| 17:05.56 | jair | roe_: are you using Linux NFS to client Linux ? |
| 17:05.59 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.59 | raf256 | wtf? |
| 17:06.07 | roe_ | jair: yup |
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| 17:06.55 | Con-fuze-ed | jair: to save you some time... though I always suggest you read and understand what your doing before you do it.... you can just simply type "man md5sum" to figure out how to generate and compare md5 hashes. |
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| 17:11.01 | adir-b-y | ×”×™×™ |
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| 17:12.21 | naitram | evince |
| 17:12.46 | dimir | adir-b-y: ã˜ã‚ƒãªã„ |
| 17:13.05 | jair | roe_: all right try this please: on the server add: /mount-export 192.168.0.0/16(rw,sync,insecure) |
| 17:13.26 | jair | roe_: then restart the nfs server and check what it tells you? |
| 17:13.40 | roe_ | jair: do you want me to acutally write "mount-export" or should I keep my dir |
| 17:13.56 | whadar | adir-b-y: shalom |
| 17:14.03 | jair | roe_: are you trying to mount that export using "root" on the client side? |
| 17:14.12 | jair | keep your own directory |
| 17:14.23 | Grubby | ok |
| 17:14.25 | roe_ | yes, I am tring to get it working as root first |
| 17:14.27 | jair | Con-fuze-ed: thank you very much |
| 17:14.55 | jair | roe_: do what i told you then replace the "mount-directory" with your own directory |
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| 17:15.29 | dimir | raf256: apt-cache search infrared | grep -i kde | wc -l 1 |
| 17:15.30 | dimir | :-P |
| 17:15.56 | roe_ | same error |
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| 17:16.25 | Mooi | some library dependencies are not met properly in one's system. How does one solve them? |
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| 17:16.57 | jair | roe_: hmm paste again the client and server configuration for me |
| 17:16.58 | Groundy | argh, my exim4 config was failing, because i was testing with the wrong data *sigh* |
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| 17:17.13 | mikefoo1 | I have software raid (raid5) across 6 drives, one drive failed. Can I remove the drive from the array and have the raid5 work on the 5 drives and still be fault tolerant? Will be data be fine also? |
| 17:17.48 | jair | roe_: then send me the error, i will send you the whole command send me also the name of your mount directory, i will help you type what you need |
| 17:17.54 | cast | i was under the impression raid5 only has 1 redundant drive, so if that ones dead...there's zero redundant drives left? |
| 17:18.12 | jair | roe_: make sure to restart nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:18.35 | zimnyx | I want to store my ical files remotely using webcal protocol. Does debian provide some server side app whocjh will handle storing ical files on server? |
| 17:18.41 | mikefoo1 | cast: yes thats why I am saying if I had 6 drives in the array, then removed obe drive, so I have five total in the array. can another one die and still no data loss? |
| 17:19.05 | jair | roe_: try this one as well, I am assuming that the only one that will access this nfs export is you? (rw,sync,no_root_squash,insecure) |
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| 17:21.10 | roe_ | jair: I am using nfs-user-server is that part of the problem? |
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| 17:22.30 | whadar | is there any way i can actually see the dependency tree? |
| 17:22.34 | Eclipser | is there a generic lirc program to test a remote control? |
| 17:22.39 | cast | mikefoo1: i'm poor so don't have experience with raid, but it seems to me you'd have to reconfigure the array for raid over 5 drives, dunno if there's a quick way to do that though. if another one dies then yes, you'll have dataloss unless you change the situation now |
| 17:23.03 | cast | raid5 over 5 drives* |
| 17:23.47 | abrotman | Eclipser: isn't there a daemon ? |
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| 17:24.21 | Eclipser | abrotman, so it seems but I wanted something I could use to see if my remote control sends signals properly and lirc receives them |
| 17:24.22 | abrotman | whadar: there's dotty output |
| 17:24.26 | cast | abrotman: RAID6 would have protected you against 2 disk failures, though |
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| 17:24.31 | abrotman | Eclipser: send a ctrl-alt-del :) |
| 17:24.33 | cast | eh, mikefoo1^ |
| 17:24.38 | abrotman | CAst: no it wouldn't ahve! |
| 17:24.45 | helo | whenever i shut down my machine with "shutdown -h now", just after it says "System halted.", instead of powering off the screen just fills up with gibberish... a bunch of weird ascii characters |
| 17:24.46 | Eclipser | abrotman, now howwould I do that with a tv remote control :> |
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| 17:24.58 | abrotman | Eclipser: you can map the buttons to anything you like |
| 17:24.58 | roe_ | jair: got it working, thanx a bunch :) |
| 17:25.04 | helo | any clue what could cause this? |
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| 17:25.06 | Eclipser | abrotman, with the daemon? |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | Eclipser: you could certainly map it to init |
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| 17:25.55 | teledyn | helo: there are workarounds in the kernel for shutdown issues with buggy BIOSes |
| 17:26.10 | Flimzy | I need a quick way to revert my entire / filesystem to a previous state... Is there a quick way to do this with LVM perhaps? |
| 17:26.33 | Flimzy | I see how to create a snapshot... but I guess I'm unsure as to how I would revert to a previous snapshot on the root filesystem |
| 17:26.43 | whadar | abrotman: what's that? |
| 17:26.44 | teledyn | helo: i don't know if they require a kernel recompile of if they can be altered via sysctls |
| 17:26.49 | whadar | dooty output? |
| 17:28.10 | abrotman | whadar: man apt-cache |
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| 17:29.51 | whadar | http://www.students.ncl.ac.uk/a.j.mee/blog/index.php/software/pencil-code/dependency-diagrams/ |
| 17:29.55 | whadar | cool thing! |
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| 17:33.22 | FelipeAbella | When using the internet installation, can pause the installation download to continue later? |
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| 17:34.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it possible to reinstall a package without using dpkg -r followed by apt-get install? |
| 17:35.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | In order to prevent having to remove and reinstall all of the packages that depend on that package |
| 17:35.25 | helo | teledyn: this is a kernel i compiled myself, so recompiling isn't a problem |
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| 17:37.35 | geo-rge | Dark_Apostrophe: well one way is to force the depends... BUT I don't recommend this unless you get the -exact- same version of .deb that you already have (note, this .deb may already be in /var/cache/apt/archives/) |
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| 17:37.59 | geo-rge | there are other, more recommended ways |
| 17:38.02 | mz_work | Dark_Apostrophe, apt-get install --reinstall |
| 17:38.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | --reinstall...that's what I needed |
| 17:38.25 | geo-rge | it depends on why you need to reinstall |
| 17:38.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, I compiled my own version of it, it had a bug and I wanted to revert to the previously installed deb version |
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| 17:39.22 | humbolto | is debian etch's gnome faster than ubuntu dapper's? |
| 17:39.29 | geo-rge | ok, did you build a package of the version you built then installed that? |
| 17:39.31 | rutski | The docs about the -G option for usermod say "If the user is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user will be removed from the group" |
| 17:39.36 | humbolto | dapper is so increadibly slow! |
| 17:39.37 | rutski | is there anyway to get around that annoyance? |
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| 17:39.50 | mz_work | humbolto, depends on if the gnome had alot to drink the night before or not |
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| 17:40.02 | geo-rge | humbolto: it's a linux much like any other (dapper is, etch is) |
| 17:40.12 | geo-rge | so the problem might be something else |
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| 17:40.39 | blondie | humbolto: etch's gnome is fine for me. |
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| 17:41.08 | geo-rge | in fact even if it was something like freebsd or something, it's possible you'd experience the same |
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| 17:41.42 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible to get windowmaker having a selection bar at the bottom like in this small screenshot? http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/debian-brushed-metal/ |
| 17:41.42 | geo-rge | so... bottom line: we need more information :P (as usual) |
| 17:41.46 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't understand how people can prefer KDE over GNOME (or over anything) |
| 17:42.01 | CharminTheMoose | windowmaker ftw! |
| 17:42.08 | blondie | KDE is bloody awful :P |
| 17:42.19 | geo-rge | blondie: I prefer kde over liver and onions... |
| 17:42.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I guess so, if you don't have eyes. |
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| 17:42.41 | humbolto | Dark_Apostrophe: Neither do I |
| 17:42.47 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: weirdo |
| 17:42.50 | blondie | geo-rge: well ok |
| 17:43.03 | blondie | KDE looks fugly |
| 17:43.05 | xingu | rutski: --append seems relevant |
| 17:43.09 | blondie | and has annoying sounds |
| 17:43.11 | humbolto | Dark_Apostrophe: It is just that kubuntu cutted KDEs balls in their distro. |
| 17:43.17 | blondie | it's designed for 5 year olds |
| 17:43.28 | geo-rge | actually after all the licensing stuff had gone by, I decided to try kde |
| 17:43.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | humbolto: This is #debian, not #somethinbuntu |
| 17:43.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | humbolto: I use Etch's KDE package. |
| 17:43.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Works like a charm. |
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| 17:44.07 | humbolto | Dark_Apostrophe: Thinking about switching to edgy, that's the reason I am in this channel. |
| 17:44.13 | geo-rge | humbolto, so... bottom line: we need more information :P (as usual) |
| 17:44.16 | Ronin | edgy? |
| 17:44.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | humbolto: Etch, you mean |
| 17:44.23 | geo-rge | sledgy! |
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| 17:44.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | humbolto: Edgy is *buntu |
| 17:44.29 | geo-rge | sletch |
| 17:44.47 | humbolto | right |
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| 17:45.09 | geo-rge | so, I really don't see you responding here. |
| 17:45.13 | Ronin | humbolto: if your thinking of trying edgy maybe you should start with the proper channel? ;) |
| 17:45.33 | geo-rge | agreed... he's nonresponsive |
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| 17:47.17 | humbolto | Ronin: typo |
| 17:47.24 | humbolto | Ronin: Etch I meant |
| 17:47.48 | geo-rge | humbolto: one more try: WE NEED MORE INFORMATION, about your machine, what's in it, what you're running, how much ram, how much swap, what kernel version, what version OF GNOME (-not- your dist), what you have tried and looked at to try seeing what the problem is, what you expected, what actually happened |
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| 17:48.59 | helo | is there an easier way to get your ip in bash than to awk/sed ifconfig? |
| 17:49.06 | geo-rge | humbolto: are you awake yet? |
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| 17:49.55 | humbolto | geo-rge: well, this is certainly the wrong channel to discuss the problems I am having with gnome on dapper. But I want to find out, how good etch is performing, so I can reason about switching. |
| 17:50.04 | humbolto | geo-rge: still awake. |
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| 17:50.28 | humbolto | geo-rge: maybe it is just my stupid vaio. |
| 17:50.35 | geo-rge | humbolto: so... start providing the requested information. I cannot comment without knowing what you have |
| 17:50.40 | humbolto | geo-rge: nothing seems to work on the damn thing. |
| 17:50.47 | jair | roe_: did it works? |
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| 17:50.53 | geo-rge | what cpu too |
| 17:50.58 | roe_ | jair: I am up and running :) |
| 17:51.00 | roe_ | thank you |
| 17:51.15 | geo-rge | humbolto: does it crash? |
| 17:51.35 | geo-rge | having trouble understanding what you mean by "doesn't work" |
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| 17:51.36 | jair | roe_: what did you change? did you restart the "/etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart" |
| 17:51.50 | humbolto | ubuntu dapper, kernel 2.6.15, gnome 2.14.3 |
| 17:51.51 | jair | roe_: what did you have to do then? |
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| 17:52.09 | geo-rge | ok, and your machine stats? |
| 17:52.11 | roe_ | jair: I removed the nfs-user-server and installed the nfs-kernel-server |
| 17:52.44 | geo-rge | so far, what you have sounds relatively modern |
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| 17:53.06 | humbolto | geo-rge: I can't boot the ubuntu 2.6.15-i686 kernel. Hibernations sometimes works, sometimes it does not. In edgy 2.6.18 the damn thing does not power off on shut down, ... |
| 17:53.16 | humbolto | gnome is slow slow slow |
| 17:53.24 | humbolto | firefox is even slower |
| 17:53.29 | fflush | sweet |
| 17:53.30 | Ronin | im betting you never get an answer geo-rge |
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| 17:53.34 | humbolto | but this is all ubuntu related |
| 17:53.56 | geo-rge | Ronin: actgually he's starting to come around... still need info about the machine |
| 17:54.33 | jair | roe_: good job |
| 17:54.47 | humbolto | 1.5 gb ram, Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.86GHz |
| 17:54.48 | cast | you guys think i should pay special attention to get a gigeth switch with jumboframe support? |
| 17:55.34 | geo-rge | humbolto: wow, that's a hell of a machine... |
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| 17:56.18 | geo-rge | your machine also sounds fairly modern, over 1ghz cpu, over 1g ram |
| 17:56.22 | humbolto | geo-rge: yes, but it feels like a 800mhz machine |
| 17:56.34 | humbolto | 1,2 years |
| 17:56.49 | geo-rge | do you have swap space? |
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| 17:57.02 | geo-rge | how much disk space? |
| 17:57.09 | humbolto | it is a damn sony vaio with nvidia go 6250 grafic chip |
| 17:57.44 | humbolto | 2gb swap |
| 17:57.55 | geo-rge | wow, that's quite a bit |
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| 17:58.23 | geo-rge | does the output of free suggest you're in your swap? |
| 17:58.34 | humbolto | running low on disk space on home and root, but that should not effect performance |
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| 17:58.59 | geo-rge | so do you have separate partitions? |
| 17:59.12 | humbolto | PumpkinPie: fsck the video card! It is garbage! I would never by anything other than an intel anymore! |
| 17:59.16 | cat | anyone here knows the tcl lib that eggdrop uses? |
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| 17:59.41 | geo-rge | cat: tcllib is pretty standard |
| 17:59.42 | humbolto | AIGLX does not work, because the damn drivers (latest) can't handle shared memory correctly. |
| 17:59.58 | PumpkinPie | you would figure those ATI/AMD video cards are in for some serious milestones? |
| 18:00.02 | PumpkinPie | or else thats lame |
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| 18:00.11 | cat | geo-rge: i did |
| 18:00.16 | cat | but in the config is not working |
| 18:00.18 | humbolto | The first two wins are ok, the rest is just black rectangles. |
| 18:00.53 | cat | ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and --with-tclinc='/path/to/tcl.h' options. |
| 18:00.56 | cat | See doc/COMPILE-GUIDE's 'Tcl Detection and Installation' section for more information. |
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| 18:01.12 | humbolto | PumpkinPie: what do you mean? are the drivers in heavy development at the moment? |
| 18:01.37 | PumpkinPie | well AMD bought them |
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| 18:01.49 | PumpkinPie | figure something interesting should happen for the sake of saying "we bought ATI" |
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| 18:02.07 | PumpkinPie | "now we did this" |
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| 18:02.10 | humbolto | Speaking of HW. What I am missing most for Linux are recommendations from the Kernel Hackers which hardware to use!!!!!! |
| 18:02.13 | mc__ | good evening,i've installed debian using the expert gui |
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| 18:02.23 | mc__ | and the installer did not prompt for a root passwort |
| 18:02.24 | geo-rge | cat: I think you can do --with-tcl=$(dirname /path/to/tclConfig.sh) |
| 18:02.35 | mc__ | how can i boot into single user mode so that i can set one? |
| 18:02.36 | humbolto | This would be very important and put lots of preasure on HW developers to work closely with kernel devs. |
| 18:02.41 | mc__ | i'be installed lilo |
| 18:02.42 | cat | geo-rge: alredy fixed it |
| 18:02.47 | cat | and the tcllib is too old |
| 18:02.49 | humbolto | This is the one thing long overdue! |
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| 18:02.55 | geo-rge | oh, that's easy :) |
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| 18:03.07 | geo-rge | btw, do you like tcl? |
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| 18:03.20 | Feax | When I boot on a etch CD with my core 2 duo and P5W Dh Deluxe, that say me HDE: lost interrupt, how to do ? |
| 18:03.27 | geo-rge | if so... you might also like aolserver |
| 18:03.58 | mc__ | may someone help me? |
| 18:03.59 | humbolto | Official recommendations from the kernel hackers on what is fully supported in Linux, which companies actively contribute at least with proper documentation and which systems (laptops, mainboards) will work perfectly with Linux. |
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| 18:04.51 | HardDisk_WP | hello |
| 18:04.52 | humbolto | If anybody has any say in this, make the Linus and the OSDL realize that and put up a website for that! |
| 18:04.58 | mc__ | how to boot into single user mode with lilo? |
| 18:04.59 | HardDisk_WP | http://paste.debian.net/18608 |
| 18:05.07 | HardDisk_WP | i cant open any new ssh connection |
| 18:05.21 | Feax | When I boot on a etch CD with my core 2 duo and P5W Dh Deluxe, that say me HDE: lost interrupt, how to do ? |
| 18:05.41 | geo-rge | humbolto: "... official ... hackers ..." is somewhat problematic to clueless companies |
| 18:06.03 | geo-rge | but that's just a matter of rewording |
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| 18:07.06 | geo-rge | humbolto: the thing is linux users are still a drop in the bucket, they're making a LOT of money supporting win and -failing- to support linux |
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| 18:07.28 | geo-rge | "they" referring to hardware mfgrs |
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| 18:08.03 | geo-rge | but, yes, make some noise... I guess it can't hurt... |
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| 18:09.15 | idealm | Hi there. I have a problem about Ethernet, Realtek 8168B, which can not be recognized. Who may help, please? |
| 18:09.25 | mc__ | how to boot into singlo user mode when using lilo? help please |
| 18:09.44 | humbolto | geo-rge: There are more Linux systems out there than MAC OSX systems my friend! |
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| 18:10.04 | blondie | humbolto: MAC doesn't mean Mac. |
| 18:10.14 | geo-rge | humbolto: but having said all that, unless your machine is having some specific -hardware- problem, I don't believe the slowdown you're experiencing is related to your machine... so, I dunno, try etch (but, of COURSE, back up your hd first) |
| 18:10.45 | geo-rge | blondie: but, his meaning is understood |
| 18:11.17 | humbolto | geo-rge: Well I am the wrong person to make noise. Only the kernel hackers would know what is supported and what is not. |
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| 18:11.50 | xingu | humbolto: and how would they know that, having far better things to do than track the ludicrously short product lifecycles in pc-land? |
| 18:12.12 | xingu | humbolto: or are you asking programmers to take on your burden of integration testing too? |
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| 18:12.38 | humbolto | Would anybody donate money to an entity who's sole purpose is to give recommendations on which systems support linux and which don't? |
| 18:12.55 | blondie | no |
| 18:12.57 | geo-rge | one thing, install the base onto your / partition, don't let it create a user, then mount /home after the reboot, see what users you have (look in /home) and NOTE the user id number, then use useradd to create users WITHOUT altering their home dir |
| 18:13.13 | blondie | well, I wouldn't. |
| 18:13.28 | geo-rge | (this is assuming you're using separate /home, which you implied but didn't confirm) |
| 18:13.38 | humbolto | blondie: But you would at least read the website before you buy a laptop, would you? |
| 18:13.41 | teledyn | humbolto: hardware vendors might pay a lab to "certify" them |
| 18:13.45 | blondie | humbolto: no |
| 18:13.54 | blondie | well, it's unlikley |
| 18:14.04 | humbolto | blondie: Why not? |
| 18:14.08 | blondie | such sites tend to be outdated too quickly |
| 18:14.09 | geo-rge | humbolto: yes, I would always do research before buying hardware |
| 18:14.10 | xingu | the rate of change in both the hardware and software world would make a mockery of the effort before you got started |
| 18:14.44 | blondie | what xingu said |
| 18:14.46 | teledyn | xingu: not necessarily. there are many, many products which have a long history of good support |
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| 18:14.59 | geo-rge | what about the rate of increase of linux acceptance? |
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| 18:15.07 | teledyn | xingu: and hardware vendors have incentive to say that their products are compatible |
| 18:15.10 | geo-rge | would that be negative? |
| 18:15.24 | xingu | teledyn: do they? is anyone going to pay more for this? |
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| 18:15.51 | xingu | some segments will pay for systems that ship with linux |
| 18:16.00 | xingu | and guess what - where that segment is profitable - they do |
| 18:16.02 | teledyn | xingu: it increases market share. for many products - say for example ATA RAID cards that a company might want for its linux servers - there's a definite benefit |
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| 18:16.11 | geo-rge | it's going to take awhile for corporate end users to conclude windows is crap for servers |
| 18:16.14 | humbolto | xingu: I would say it very much depends on the certifying entities importance. |
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| 18:16.28 | teledyn | xingu: they may not pay *more* for it, but they will pay for it |
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| 18:16.32 | blondie | geo-rge: windows isn't crap for file servers |
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| 18:16.47 | edison | Help, what is the best way to test if my burner work great without error of data ? |
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| 18:16.57 | xingu | the "certifying entity" is an alias for a gigantic, unworkable interlock trying to reach a synchronisation point between kernel and userland and hardware release cycles |
| 18:16.57 | blondie | edison: try burning something? |
| 18:17.10 | teledyn | blondie: no, other than the SMB filesystem, it might not be |
| 18:17.30 | geo-rge | humbolto: to summarize, if you wish to try to install etch from scratch, there is an installer whose download url is in the /topic |
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| 18:17.43 | PaSurf | I have a machine that when the power goes out, the raid essentialy dies and will not allow me to get back into the system. Aside from UPS, is there something I can run in Debian that will prevent this from happening (shutdown scripts, etc?) |
| 18:17.46 | teledyn | blondie: but wait, MS just got the crap sued out of it by the EU because of SMB BS games MS played |
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| 18:17.53 | geo-rge | I'd suggest you would follow the installation docs |
| 18:17.54 | xingu | the real answer is to buy hardware that ships with a distribution; but in that universe you also get to accept that the shipping distribution will not necessarily be bleeding edge |
| 18:17.56 | blondie | PaSurf: no |
| 18:18.13 | blondie | PaSurf: if the power goes, the machine switches off instantly... you can only fix that with a UPS |
| 18:18.22 | xingu | or, do your own integration testing and deal with it. |
| 18:18.26 | humbolto | xingu: This is another issue with Linux distros! |
| 18:18.31 | teledyn | blondie: so, other than the implementation of the network file system used to share the files, it might be good as a fileserver |
| 18:18.38 | humbolto | xingu: They are somewhat monolithic. |
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| 18:18.43 | blondie | teledyn: I don't see what's wrong with SMB/CIFS |
| 18:18.54 | geo-rge | blondie: howbout when you compare it along performance lines with linux offerings? |
| 18:19.05 | PaSurf | blondie: so do all software raids die when power cuts off like in a power outtage |
| 18:19.05 | PaSurf | ? |
| 18:19.13 | teledyn | blondie: ask the people trying to develop open source interoperability with it, and the EU |
| 18:19.15 | humbolto | When you want to update one piece of software in it, you often have to update the whole distro. |
| 18:19.15 | blondie | PaSurf: what do you mean by "die" anyway? |
| 18:19.22 | blondie | teledyn: samba seems to work just fine with it. |
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| 18:19.47 | blondie | anyway this is offtopic :P |
| 18:19.58 | geo-rge | humbolto: what, that they don't ship newest software?? ok, fine. so you build and test EVERYTHING yourself then :) seeya in 10 months :) (or install a dist in a half hour) |
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| 18:20.15 | PaSurf | blondie: like power shuts off instantly, and ups only works for hour or so |
| 18:20.18 | deadcat | hmm. this is weird: when i ls -l: ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 18:20.44 | geo-rge | (hint tho: the various dists do some of that testing already) |
| 18:20.48 | blondie | PaSurf: well that's why UPSes have serial/UPS connections to tell the machine power has been lost, so it can shut down properly |
| 18:22.03 | geo-rge | humbolto: so other than that... nice discussion... but it's about 70% offtopic here, I guess |
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| 18:22.49 | geo-rge | once more... |
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| 18:23.01 | xingu | the only interlock-free system is one where the integration reports are done at the edge and contributed; and guess what, there's already a couple of those - like linux-laptop.net and tuxmobile.org |
| 18:23.18 | geo-rge | no onjoin spam so far |
| 18:23.43 | edison | blondie, http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/coasterless.htm |
| 18:24.13 | humbolto | geo-rge: What I mean is, it would be nice if I was not bound to the apps delivered at the release date. |
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| 18:24.23 | humbolto | There should be more backports |
| 18:24.35 | geo-rge | humbolto: you can always use gcc |
| 18:24.35 | rutski | The docs about the -G option for usermod say "If the user is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user will be removed from the group. |
| 18:24.38 | xingu | the best you can expect from a rebadger is to ship with a given distribution; which will age as the hardware does; as for the component oem's, they're not in the software business at all |
| 18:24.53 | rutski | Is there anyway to get around that annoyance? |
| 18:24.53 | humbolto | So I can upgrade firefox without upgrading the whole distro |
| 18:24.54 | geo-rge | that's pretty much orthogonal |
| 18:25.07 | humbolto | geo-rge: not really what corporate admins would want to do! |
| 18:25.16 | geo-rge | rutski: no. list the groups they're already in. |
| 18:25.23 | humbolto | even less what the private user want's to do |
| 18:25.40 | xingu | rutski: as I said the first time you asked that, --append seems relevant |
| 18:25.41 | geo-rge | humbolto: it's the nature of the beast in all operating systems |
| 18:26.09 | humbolto | See, if I want a stable system I would be still on sarge, wouldn't I. And I would be trapped there until etch is stable, |
| 18:26.14 | geo-rge | humbolto: I tend to disagree with that, many private users actually know C |
| 18:26.42 | geo-rge | (and therefore understand how to build things, and in fact that's why they choose a unix-alike in the first place) |
| 18:26.44 | xingu | humbolto: just out of interest, do any of your mad ideas involve you contributing something, rather than wanting it to be done by others for free for you? |
| 18:26.49 | humbolto | geo-rge: Well, it is not the best user experience possible, is it? |
| 18:26.58 | humbolto | We could do better. |
| 18:27.18 | geo-rge | actually linux/unix was created for developers |
| 18:27.44 | humbolto | xingu: First there needs to be a plan on how this could be done. |
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| 18:27.52 | geo-rge | look at where most of the power is concentrated: in the SHELL |
| 18:27.55 | xingu | oh, more syncronisation points, brilliant |
| 18:28.08 | xingu | so now we have to create and debate and agree a plan too |
| 18:28.13 | xingu | marvellous |
| 18:28.17 | geo-rge | no thanks |
| 18:28.18 | humbolto | xingu: Seems like a whole lot of work to keep a distro in sync with the latest apps. |
| 18:28.30 | xingu | seems like the debian model works to me |
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| 18:28.45 | humbolto | xingu: maybe there is an error in the concept |
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| 18:29.01 | geo-rge | here's my opinion: X is great, for the purpose of putting many shell and text editor windows on the screen simultaneously. |
| 18:29.12 | humbolto | xingu: That's what I would like to find out first and how to ship around it. |
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| 18:29.27 | geo-rge | other than that, it's a wholly side point. X is -not- needed. period. |
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| 18:30.10 | rutski | xingu: ahh, sorry; didn't notice the response the first time |
| 18:30.18 | grendal_prime | ok when i add sarge repos to my sources list i get a segfault |
| 18:30.18 | obstfliege | nabend! |
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| 18:30.55 | geo-rge | humbolto: if you can come up with a user-friendly app having a graphical user interface that has -all- the power of the shell, then my opinion will change... until that time, I continue to code on what I want to |
| 18:31.03 | rutski | xingu: I don't see an --append option |
| 18:31.08 | rahul | grendal_prime: APT::Cache-Limit 16777216; |
| 18:31.13 | jeremiah_ | hello, im trying to get kde to start with kdestart but it wont start, i already did apt-get install x-window-system-core kde and apt-get install kdm |
| 18:31.16 | rahul | grendal_prime: put that in the apt.conf |
| 18:31.23 | enveezee | jeremiah_: its startkde for one thing. |
| 18:31.28 | humbolto | maybe it would already help, if LSB would define a certain libc version so the apps could be available for download for this stable LSB version instead of for a certain distro?! |
| 18:31.42 | geo-rge | jeremiah_: so, kdm will start kde for you |
| 18:32.07 | jeremiah_ | oh right sorry, typo it was startkde |
| 18:32.08 | xingu | rutski: hmm, passwd 4.0.18.1-6 has it, not sure about etch/woody |
| 18:32.08 | humbolto | geo-rge: who is talking about X? |
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| 18:32.22 | jeremiah_ | i did type startkde but it said "command not found" |
| 18:32.32 | xingu | rutski: failing that - usermod -G `id -G uid | tr ' ' ','`,newgroup |
| 18:32.44 | geo-rge | humbolto: if you ask that question, then I respond with this one: do you think linux can gain popularity without it? |
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| 18:33.34 | xingu | ... but if lsb froze libc, then we wouldn't have sysenter and we wouldn't see multiarch this side of 2038 |
| 18:33.35 | geo-rge | maybe as embedded apps... linux-on-your-washing-machine |
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| 18:33.55 | humbolto | geo-rge: certainly not. |
| 18:34.09 | humbolto | geo-rge: but why do you want to discuss that? |
| 18:34.17 | xingu | no reason to cripple every system for the least-common case of folk who can't manage their own integration and who also don't want to use released distribution |
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| 18:34.32 | xingu | particularly not when there's no money involved |
| 18:34.39 | geo-rge | humbolto: then, any of this discussion requires at least reference to graphical user interface |
| 18:35.26 | humbolto | geo-rge: so? |
| 18:35.26 | helo | anyone know, in awk, how to do an action if a pattern doesn't match a line? |
| 18:35.26 | geo-rge | so, if you fail on that point, you're not being realistic in any way, shape or form. |
| 18:35.58 | xingu | helo: awk '! /somepattern/ { someaction }' |
| 18:35.59 | geo-rge | helo: info awk |
| 18:36.07 | helo | thanks |
| 18:37.13 | geo-rge | humbolto: a point which you already stated you agree with |
| 18:38.46 | geo-rge | why do I -want- to... ok, let's clarify: really, I don't |
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| 18:39.58 | geo-rge | primarily because you're failing to include very important structures without which your (well, no, many have come before you) point is irrelevent |
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| 18:41.08 | humbolto | geo-rge: but why is it important that gui is not as powerfull as the shell. that is obvious. |
| 18:41.22 | geo-rge | stated positively: your plan -must- include total coverage of all existing hardware... and without a LOT of help including money, that will NOT be easy |
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| 18:42.04 | geo-rge | humbolto: why run linux if there's so much power? might as well run windows, and now we've come full circle. |
| 18:42.12 | eucalre | ? |
| 18:42.24 | grendal_prime | hey aaaaa rahul ...i cant find an apt.conf |
| 18:42.26 | humbolto | ah, we are back to the HW DB. |
| 18:42.30 | grendal_prime | thats whats werid |
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| 18:42.38 | abrotman | so make one |
| 18:42.38 | rahul | grendal_prime: oh, I think it's split up into an apt.conf.d |
| 18:42.39 | humbolto | if there is so much power? |
| 18:42.50 | rahul | grendal_prime: put the setting in a "99local" file in there |
| 18:43.04 | humbolto | geo-rge: if there is so much power? |
| 18:43.07 | geo-rge | no, because I'm going to close the loop right now, and stop right here because this whole thing is at least 70% off topic here |
| 18:43.18 | grendal_prime | ?? |
| 18:43.46 | raf256 | hello my homies |
| 18:43.47 | grendal_prime | there is a ...hmm 70debconf |
| 18:43.49 | rahul | grendal_prime: /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local <= put that line in there |
| 18:43.57 | grendal_prime | ya thanks |
| 18:44.11 | raf256 | I want to help the challanged upstream in debugging their inferior software by pinning down bugs, how to? Im c++ devel |
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| 18:44.15 | rahul | that way packages can add their settings and you have your settings, too |
| 18:44.21 | raf256 | apt-get source foo and then what? to have -g3 and such |
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| 18:44.27 | humbolto | geo-rge: so where would you refere me to talk about general ideas about linux distributions, packaging, LSB, ...? |
| 18:44.47 | xingu | the nearest crackhouse |
| 18:44.50 | Ronin | humbolto: ##linux, debian-offtopic |
| 18:44.55 | humbolto | geo-rge: You think this is not important for debian? |
| 18:44.59 | geo-rge | humbolto: the question can be reworded as "if you don't need the power of linux, why install it?" and the answer differs across the population |
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| 18:45.29 | humbolto | geo-rge: Because you need the power of Linux. |
| 18:45.33 | geo-rge | humbolto: doesn't belong here, no... this is a debian support channel, not a hardware support rant channel |
| 18:45.34 | grendal_prime | hahaha dude...i get an error stating there is extra junk at the end of file |
| 18:45.38 | grendal_prime | rahul: |
| 18:45.42 | cast_ | the power is freedom, everyone needs that :) |
| 18:45.51 | xingu | my bowels need it |
| 18:46.08 | geo-rge | xingu: get to a gym! |
| 18:46.15 | rahul | cast_: freedom is also the freedom to choose what you want, not what someone else tells you to use |
| 18:46.17 | geo-rge | -soon-! |
| 18:46.23 | rahul | cast_: whether that's linux, debian, or windows |
| 18:46.38 | rahul | grendal_prime: hrm, you sure you didn't put some extra crap in there? |
| 18:46.39 | jeremiah__ | hello guys it seem i got kde going but when i try logging in it gives this message "Xsession: unable to startX sessions...no "/home/jeremiah.xsession file, no "/home/jeremiah.Xsession file, no session managers, no window managers, no terminal emulators found; aborting." |
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| 18:47.04 | grendal_prime | i used nano to edit it |
| 18:47.14 | raf256 | I found a bug (crash) in application foo, how to rebuild it with -g3 and pin down the problem? |
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| 18:48.04 | neutral | Is anyone else (except me) getting errors when issuing `ls -l`? Debian SID |
| 18:48.12 | cast_ | rahul: oh i agree. however i don't agree in letting people make ill educated decisions, and i think 99% of windows users have never sat down and thought "well these are the options, let me consider the merits of each", no, they've just went and bought a pc at some department store. which comes with windows as a rule [recently there has been increasing exceptions] |
| 18:48.14 | geo-rge | jeremiah__: this message you just posted... think about what it means for a moment |
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| 18:48.26 | xingu | raf256: hack debian/rules or try CXXFLAGS or whatever? |
| 18:48.30 | rahul | cast_: yes, agreed :) |
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| 18:48.53 | neutral | ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 18:48.58 | xingu | raf256: never got my head around the build system but the former has always been an elegance-free bludgeon for me |
| 18:49.00 | rahul | cast_: but most people who _wouldn't_ evaluate the options wouldn't be able to get any more power out of linux than they get out of windws |
| 18:49.06 | jeremiah__ | geo-rge, do i need to make those files lol ? |
| 18:49.10 | abrotman | !libattr1 |
| 18:49.16 | rahul | cast_: they'd be using crap like kde for everything |
| 18:49.21 | cast_ | rahul: its not about power to me, its about things like DRM and vendor lockin and monopolies |
| 18:49.28 | rahul | cast_: same here |
| 18:49.28 | abrotman | !tell neutral about libattr1 issue |
| 18:49.40 | rahul | cast_: well, actually, I need the power, too |
| 18:49.46 | neutral | danke schon |
| 18:49.48 | cast_ | its just a bonus that we ended up imo with a better system :) |
| 18:49.49 | geo-rge | jeremiah__: it says what? that you're missing something... what do you suppose could potentially provide what's missing? |
| 18:49.55 | rahul | cast_: any time I use windows, I can't stand it |
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| 18:50.07 | rahul | cast_: I'm happier on solaris than on windows. |
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| 18:50.14 | jeremiah__ | lol ok got ya geo-rge |
| 18:50.17 | geo-rge | jeremiah__: see, I have to slow you down so you have time to think |
| 18:50.30 | jeremiah__ | lmfao thanks dude dayuuumm |
| 18:51.21 | xingu | straw poll; anyone using 2.6.19.1 kernel and running ntpd ? |
| 18:51.30 | cast_ | i do think that if people are going to use something without considering the alternatives properly, they would be well served to take the option that doesn't lock them into anything in the long term |
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| 18:51.57 | humbolto | Anyhow, got to go! |
| 18:52.05 | xingu | system clock is running slow (about .3s lost every 25min or so); wondering if it's just me. |
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| 18:52.54 | geo-rge | oh, ok... so he starts the flamewar, someone ends it, then he leaves without getting his original question answered... ok :) |
| 18:52.55 | abrotman | xingu: OMG .. You hacked my clock! |
| 18:53.03 | lindenle | Hi guys, is there anyway to add an nfs mount into an lvm group? I guess this might be a dumb question, but I was curious if there was any way to exploit my nfs disk a bit more. |
| 18:53.25 | cast_ | xingu: maybe you're going to fast |
| 18:53.35 | geo-rge | lindenle: to an lvm logical volume that must be mounted. that's the way. |
| 18:53.54 | xingu | cast_: that's what the wife always says |
| 18:54.12 | lindenle | geo-rge: so if I have the nfs disk mounted it can beadded to a lvm? |
| 18:54.17 | cast_ | xingu: well, has your ruler gotten any shorter? |
| 18:55.34 | geo-rge | lindenle: to an lv IF that lv is mounted. |
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| 18:56.22 | geo-rge | so if the logical volume is mounted, then you can nfs export it |
| 18:56.25 | lindenle | geo-rge: still not following...can you flesh that out a bit |
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| 18:56.43 | geo-rge | anything that is not part of your filesystem cannot be exported. |
| 18:57.00 | lindenle | right I know that but I want to use the nfs mounted disk as part of the lv on the client ;) |
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| 18:57.15 | lindenle | I dont think it is possible but I just thought i would ask |
| 18:57.24 | xingu | lindenle: unionfs |
| 18:57.38 | lindenle | xingu: yes I think that might be a good idea |
| 18:58.01 | xingu | lindenle: layering problem; lvm is block layer, nfs is filsystem; if you want to combine a filesystem built on a lvm block device with one imported from nfs you need a stackable filesystem |
| 18:58.07 | enveezee | when linux finds errors on a hard drive like the status=0x51 followed by nasty errors, is it marking those sections as bad to not be used again automagically? |
| 18:58.13 | geo-rge | not sure exactly what you're saying... you want to add storage and have it be a networkable volume group? |
| 18:58.23 | lindenle|work | xingu:ok that is what I was getting after |
| 18:58.30 | lindenle|work | xingu: but unionfs will do it? |
| 18:58.39 | xingu | lindenle|work: in theory. :) |
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| 18:59.03 | lindenle|work | xingu: ok, Ill have a look, was really just a curiosity.... |
| 18:59.17 | geo-rge | xingu: what do stackable fses allow you to do? I'm not following |
| 18:59.30 | usr_rob | which xorg version är in the testing branch ? |
| 18:59.32 | aredhel | lindenle|work, are you trying to add a block dev on a remote computer to your local lvm volume group? |
| 18:59.44 | lindenle|work | aredhel: in theory yes |
| 18:59.46 | geo-rge | usr_rob: r? |
| 18:59.55 | lindenle|work | aredhel: that is what I was considering |
| 19:00.11 | lindenle|work | aredhel: is that possible? |
| 19:00.14 | usr_rob | hehe, which xorg version are in the stable branch ? haha! i did write some in swedish |
| 19:00.18 | geo-rge | usr_rob: packages.debian.org |
| 19:00.22 | xingu | geo-rge: as the name implies; you can mount filesystems over the top of existing mounted filesystem and control which pieces "show through" |
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| 19:00.36 | usr_rob | geo-rge: thx! |
| 19:00.58 | geo-rge | xingu: so it;s a dir which is a common mount point |
| 19:01.29 | geo-rge | (and more than that if you can exert that kind of control) |
| 19:01.34 | xingu | geo-rge: that's part of it, controlling which pieces of each underlying fs are visible and which are updated on change is another |
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| 19:01.50 | xingu | geo-rge: wikipedia entry for unionfs |
| 19:02.02 | geo-rge | ok, thanks, I'll check it out |
| 19:02.11 | sparr | I have an Epson Stylus CX5400 scanner. It is officially supported by sane. I have the latest sane backends installed. SANE_DEBUG_EPSON produces info showing my scanner found, immediately followed by whatever sane frontend im using reporting no scanners found. Help? http://rafb.net/paste/results/7o5nGz95.html |
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| 19:03.23 | usr_rob | nice, xorg 7.1 in testing. the ati video drivers support only up to 7.1 :) |
| 19:04.13 | aredhel | lindenle|work, maybe, you can try to make a normal file on the nfs export and use a loop-dev on that on the client and put the loop-dev in the lvg, but there are so many things that can go wrong with the nfs to loop-dev interface that I would not trust it with any thing more importaint then cached data. |
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| 19:06.41 | lindenle|work | aredhel: ok, mostly I was thinking outloud |
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| 19:06.50 | toad_ | what package do i need to translate a dbase 3 file to something more readily usable like CSV? |
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| 19:07.58 | toad_ | hmmm dbview maybe... |
| 19:08.00 | aredhel | lindenle|work, it may work it's just that most people who want to do some thing like this go to Fibre Channel or the like. |
| 19:08.09 | toad_ | MS Access can't even read it so i'll be interesting to see if this does... |
| 19:08.21 | abrotman | toad_: dBase and CVS aren't nearly the same |
| 19:08.28 | lindenle|work | aredhel: I would be over 802.11B...;) but it is just toy setup |
| 19:08.34 | toad_ | CSV = comma separated values |
| 19:08.36 | abrotman | one is revision control system .. one is a crap "database" |
| 19:08.39 | abrotman | oh .. CSV .. |
| 19:08.51 | abrotman | toad_: i think you're going to need dbase III :) |
| 19:09.05 | toad_ | :| |
| 19:09.07 | xingu | dbase iii sucks, foxpro fules |
| 19:09.09 | toad_ | it's a .olf file |
| 19:09.10 | abrotman | didn't they have dBase IV ? |
| 19:09.13 | xingu | s/fules/rules/ |
| 19:09.14 | toad_ | access can't read it |
| 19:09.14 | xingu | yep |
| 19:09.22 | abrotman | toad_: excel ? |
| 19:09.25 | toad_ | dbview doesn't seem to be able to read it either... |
| 19:09.35 | geo-rge | toad_: you should export it in your dbase 3 app, probably as csv |
| 19:09.42 | toad_ | i don't have dbase 3 |
| 19:09.45 | toad_ | i just have the file |
| 19:09.53 | geo-rge | how did that happen? |
| 19:10.09 | toad_ | it got sent to a friend, friend asked me to translate it to something she can use |
| 19:10.11 | geo-rge | someone must have made it in dbase3 |
| 19:10.30 | geo-rge | ok, contact the sender? |
| 19:10.59 | geo-rge | I guess you could try excel too |
| 19:10.59 | xingu | toad_: giyf - http://freshmeat.net/projects/dbf/?branch_id=32890&release_id=157869 |
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| 19:11.22 | aredhel | lindenle|work, for that kind of stuf I just use sshfs as I want to know if I am working on the remote disk, but so long as you can deal with the posability of data lose you can try the loop dev thing, it should work in therory. |
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| 19:13.21 | toad_ | checking for dbf_Open in -ldbf... no |
| 19:13.21 | toad_ | configure: error: libdbf not found. You will need at least libdbf 0.3.0 |
| 19:13.22 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 19:13.38 | abrotman | libdbf-dev ? |
| 19:15.24 | xingu | toad_: aah, its moved... http://developer.berlios.de/forum/forum.php?forum_id=3917, http://dbf.berlios.de/cvs.html |
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| 19:16.11 | aredhel | lindenle|work, also check out the vblade pkg for AoE which should be a bit sanner then puting a nfs in the middle. |
| 19:16.18 | toad_ | xingu: you need both libdbf and dbf-core |
| 19:16.27 | xingu | toad_: yep, seems that way |
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| 19:17.43 | toad_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.48 | toad_ | but it's in /usr/local/lib |
| 19:17.53 | toad_ | and ... oh i need to run ldconfig |
| 19:17.54 | toad_ | doh |
| 19:18.09 | lindenle|work | aredhel: will do |
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| 19:19.33 | toad_ | hmmm |
| 19:19.42 | toad_ | not a lot of data, but a lot of embedded functions... |
| 19:19.52 | toad_ | and font descriptions |
| 19:19.53 | xingu | good luck with that. |
| 19:20.17 | toad_ | i think some of the embedded functions are the same too... |
| 19:20.45 | xingu | if it's not just a straight tablespace extract then you're pretty hosed, you'll need to reimplement; if you can find a copy of dbase3 and run it under dosbox this will be easier |
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| 19:20.57 | toad_ | hmmm i wonder... |
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| 19:21.07 | toad_ | OyezForms Legal Documents (UK) |
| 19:21.12 | toad_ | uses OLF |
| 19:21.15 | xingu | there's companies out there which will quote for that... but that's how it's done. :) |
| 19:21.16 | toad_ | however, file detected it as dbase 3 |
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| 19:21.27 | toad_ | perhaps OLF is a subtype of dbase 3? |
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| 19:21.40 | toad_ | i mean perhaps it's derived from it? |
| 19:21.43 | xingu | I thought dbase used dbf... |
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| 19:22.00 | toad_ | it does |
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| 19:22.08 | toad_ | this is .olf, but file detects it as dbase 3 |
| 19:22.28 | xingu | file gets confused :) |
| 19:22.30 | toad_ | come to think of it... |
| 19:22.36 | toad_ | 1299137.dat: DBase 3 data file (909521164 records) |
| 19:22.38 | toad_ | no way |
| 19:22.43 | toad_ | 900 million records? |
| 19:22.45 | toad_ | impossible |
| 19:22.48 | xingu | that's some compression |
| 19:23.19 | xingu | toad_: http://www.oyezforms.co.uk/oyezview.asp |
| 19:23.35 | toad_ | .OLF requires the full program but a version of the file can be saved as an .OLV file for viewing with the downloadable viewer. |
| 19:23.38 | toad_ | according to filext.com |
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| 19:24.34 | toad_ | i'll try though, with wine... |
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| 19:24.57 | SJr|Work | When I dial up to the internet the resolv.conf file is not updated with the dns servers automatically. If I look in pppd's log the DNS servers are sent by my ISP. |
| 19:25.20 | cast_ | SJr|Work: set them yourself then, unless they change often? |
| 19:25.34 | SJr|Work | for all intents and purposes they change often |
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| 19:28.19 | xingu | SJr|Work: from memory you need usepeerdns or something in pppd opts |
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| 19:28.24 | toad_ | xingu: expects .OFV's |
| 19:28.31 | SJr|Work | Yeah that is in there |
| 19:28.31 | toad_ | and when i try to open the file it says it's damaged... |
| 19:28.38 | SJr|Work | I think I broke something |
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| 19:31.04 | warex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:32.02 | cast | the question begs, misconfigured how? |
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| 19:35.06 | warex | I try to do a ifup eth0 but it returns SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable, Failed to bring up eth0. I have tried the same configuration as /etc/network/interfaces in another computer and works fine, also the UTP cable |
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| 19:37.06 | cbr | hey |
| 19:37.11 | cbr | why does kdeinit fail in sid? |
| 19:37.16 | cbr | can't start kde |
| 19:37.29 | blondie | kde is made of fail |
| 19:37.46 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 19:37.47 | cbr | no seriously |
| 19:37.52 | cbr | that's really bad |
| 19:38.12 | fireba11 | cbr did you fresh isntall it ? did you upgrade ? did you update ? way too little info |
| 19:38.29 | cbr | i dont remember :p imo i did nothing |
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| 19:38.53 | abrotman | warex: ifconfig -a .. do you see an eth0 ? |
| 19:39.23 | spammer | hahah |
| 19:39.43 | spammer | i come back |
| 19:39.43 | spammer | iu am a spamer+ |
| 19:39.43 | geo-rge | spammer: why? |
| 19:39.48 | geo-rge | spaymer? |
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| 19:40.19 | blondie | I think he meant "I am a troll" or something |
| 19:40.55 | geo-rge | spammer: oh, troll? ok, gandalf is that way --> |
| 19:41.09 | iturk | warex: what is your ip now ?! |
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| 19:41.29 | abrotman | eh? |
| 19:41.36 | warex | 10.253.23.21 |
| 19:41.42 | spammer | because |
| 19:41.44 | spammer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.45 | geo-rge | unroutable :) |
| 19:41.46 | spammer | no se |
| 19:41.48 | spammer | por uwe soy argentino |
| 19:41.50 | spammer | and you are a stupid racist |
| 19:41.52 | spammer | i ma a spanish |
| 19:41.54 | spammer | i cant speak to much |
| 19:41.59 | geo-rge | I am? :) |
| 19:42.01 | abrotman | spammer: stop please |
| 19:42.08 | abrotman | spammer: do you have a debian related question ? |
| 19:42.09 | geo-rge | remember I haven't talked to you before :P |
| 19:42.14 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:42.15 | iturk | spammer: calla-te |
| 19:42.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:42.34 | geo-rge | !ar |
| 19:42.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ar is argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
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| 19:43.01 | iturk | warex: what is your gateway ip ?! |
| 19:43.15 | abrotman | iturk: what are you doing ? |
| 19:43.16 | spammer | jejej |
| 19:43.18 | spammer | you can speak spanish |
| 19:43.18 | warex | iturk: 192.168.254.254 |
| 19:43.20 | spammer | speak spanish |
| 19:43.22 | spammer | for my |
| 19:43.30 | iturk | warex: can you ping it ?! |
| 19:43.34 | abrotman | spammer: va a #debian-es .. no habla espanol aqui |
| 19:43.34 | spammer | iturk |
| 19:43.43 | abrotman | my spanish sucks :) |
| 19:43.55 | spammer | sucksocker |
| 19:43.57 | geo-rge | my spanish no exist |
| 19:44.01 | warex | iturk: from windows, yes; but not from linux |
| 19:44.02 | iturk | ok enhough spannish |
| 19:44.04 | spammer | i dont have the chat m spanish |
| 19:44.18 | spammer | iturk |
| 19:44.34 | spammer | iturkiturkiturkiturkiturkiturk |
| 19:44.36 | warex | maybe I am wrong with the broadcast and/or netmask or network config? |
| 19:44.40 | abrotman | spammer: do you have a debian question ? |
| 19:44.50 | abrotman | warex: dmesg | grep eth .. see anything ? |
| 19:44.51 | iturk | warex: so you are saying that you can ping when in windows and not when you are in linux |
| 19:44.53 | warex | spammer: stop pissing |
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| 19:45.05 | spammer | nececito |
| 19:45.09 | spammer | chat espñaol |
| 19:45.12 | HawkERB | hi all |
| 19:45.15 | spammer | mierda carajo |
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| 19:45.18 | spammer | ijos de puta |
| 19:45.21 | spammer | apurense |
| 19:45.43 | iturk | spammer: you really dont want me to translate that !! |
| 19:45.49 | HawkERB | did anyone install mod cband for apache under stable? is it on backports ? |
| 19:46.02 | warex | tg3:eth0: Link is up ath 100 mbps, full duplex |
| 19:46.10 | warex | after that, some lines and after... |
| 19:46.10 | abrotman | !ops spammer is having problems finding #debian-es |
| 19:46.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: spammer is having problems finding #debian-es |
| 19:46.13 | geo-rge | iturk: he probably does, which is why if I had a vote, I'd vote him out |
| 19:46.20 | warex | tg3: eth0: link is down. |
| 19:46.40 | abrotman | it should still be able to take an IP even if the link is down .. |
| 19:47.02 | spammer | mierda |
| 19:47.05 | spammer | diganme |
| 19:47.07 | warex | nope, no IP is shown |
| 19:47.09 | spammer | o hago spam |
| 19:47.14 | blondie | how about a nice mug of STFU? |
| 19:47.35 | iturk | warex: do ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.3 netmask 255.255.254.0 gateway 192.168.254.254 |
| 19:47.40 | geo-rge | spammer: yaknow, you should try moving to russia and setting up a spam operation there |
| 19:47.44 | iturk | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.01 | spammer | k |
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| 19:48.02 | iturk | warex: after you will be able to ping the ip of your gateway !! |
| 19:48.05 | blondie | haha |
| 19:48.25 | geo-rge | ka boom :) |
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| 19:48.55 | geo-rge | mentor: spammer |
| 19:49.09 | mentor | ummm? |
| 19:49.10 | blondie | "it does exactly what it says on the tin" |
| 19:49.16 | amphi | heh |
| 19:49.22 | abrotman | mentor: just kickban --> spammer (n=dp@190.48.139.32) has joined #debian |
| 19:49.30 | abrotman | i'll give you beer! |
| 19:49.32 | spammer | j |
| 19:49.34 | spammer | ji ome backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk |
| 19:49.36 | spammer | k |
| 19:49.37 | abrotman | see |
| 19:49.38 | spammer | k |
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| 19:49.40 | spammer | k |
| 19:49.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b spammer!*@*] by mentor |
| 19:49.47 | blondie | aww |
| 19:49.52 | mentor | arse |
| 19:50.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@190.48.139.32] by mentor |
| 19:50.11 | mentor | What's he been joining as? |
| 19:50.26 | geo-rge | dunno myself |
| 19:50.35 | warex | ok iturk, gonna have to disconnect to test that, brb |
| 19:50.36 | abrotman | just that apparently |
| 19:50.53 | geo-rge | when I saw him he said something like "I'm back now" |
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| 19:52.04 | deadcat | hmm. this is weird: when i ls -l: ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 19:52.21 | asg | deadcat: /msg dpkg libattr1 issue |
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| 19:52.33 | geo-rge | what dist that in? |
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| 19:53.14 | abrotman | geo-rge: sid |
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| 19:53.28 | snowbird | deb is installed no gui |
| 19:53.32 | snowbird | what do i do |
| 19:53.40 | geo-rge | learn shell |
| 19:53.56 | geo-rge | who needs a gui? |
| 19:53.59 | snowbird | i am in shell what do i type |
| 19:54.01 | Ronin | geo-rge play nice |
| 19:54.04 | snowbird | i need gui |
| 19:54.05 | blondie | "help" |
| 19:54.16 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: "startx". anything ? |
| 19:54.16 | geo-rge | Ronin: I am :P |
| 19:54.31 | snowbird | nope start x nothing |
| 19:54.31 | geo-rge | snowbird: info bash |
| 19:54.33 | amphi | 'help' in bash is so rewarding for the newbie... |
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| 19:54.44 | snowbird | iam past that |
| 19:54.45 | Ronin | snowbird: what errors on startx |
| 19:54.52 | asg | snowbird: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 19:54.53 | geo-rge | past what? |
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| 19:55.36 | snowbird | no comand startx |
| 19:55.38 | iturk | snowbird: which gui have you install already ?! |
| 19:55.40 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: what happens if you type "startx" ? command not found style error msg or lots of text ? |
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| 19:55.53 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: ah, better. |
| 19:55.55 | dafe | hi al |
| 19:56.05 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: which debian ? etch, sarge, sid ? |
| 19:56.13 | snowbird | sarge |
| 19:56.15 | dafe | how can i make root to load the env variables from /etc/profileç |
| 19:56.20 | geo-rge | snowbird: try apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:56.30 | dafe | instead of /root/.basrc |
| 19:56.34 | dafe | instead of /root/.bashrc |
| 19:56.39 | pumpkin0 | !tell snowbird about set up x |
| 19:56.40 | dafe | i already delted bashrc |
| 19:56.46 | asg | dafe: man bash ; /INVOCATION |
| 19:56.54 | geo-rge | dafe: man bash, FILES section |
| 19:56.59 | dafe | what? |
| 19:57.02 | iturk | dafe: /etc/profiles its set to everybody |
| 19:57.13 | geo-rge | dafe: man bash, FILES section |
| 19:57.15 | dafe | if i ran source /etc/profile eberything is fixed |
| 19:57.34 | asg | iturk: only on a login shell, not for an interactive shell |
| 19:57.44 | geo-rge | dafe: read that first, then ask more |
| 19:58.17 | geo-rge | and read asg's too |
| 19:58.42 | geo-rge | you will then know what file bash reads when |
| 19:58.53 | geo-rge | and under what conditions |
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| 19:59.40 | dafe | oks |
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| 19:59.49 | knightsilver | it says that there are too many levels of symbolic links rickest |
| 20:00.05 | iturk | dafe: for all the system i use instead /etc/environment |
| 20:00.09 | geo-rge | dafe: and stay. while you read, we can answer about what you're reading |
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| 20:00.44 | mentor | oh |
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| 20:00.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 20:00.55 | geo-rge | knightsilver: perhaps a syumlink is pointing at itself |
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| 20:01.33 | geo-rge | I saw that guy an hour or so ago... what was he doing |
| 20:01.55 | geo-rge | I /cycle then, nothing. |
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| 20:02.07 | blondie | hi Daveman ;) |
| 20:02.20 | knightsilver | rickest i think i need a new timezone file to replace the one i messed up with ln, maybe? |
| 20:02.20 | snowbird | stil no gui |
| 20:02.21 | knightsilver | marty-mcfly what did your uncle george get arrested for, anyways? |
| 20:02.21 | iturk | snowbird: which gui are you expecting to have ?! |
| 20:02.36 | knightsilver | geo-rge it probably is, but how do you undo that?? |
| 20:02.40 | geo-rge | snowbird: what did you do? |
| 20:02.51 | geo-rge | knightsilver: what link is it? |
| 20:02.54 | geo-rge | or what' |
| 20:03.03 | geo-rge | is the pathname? |
| 20:03.06 | knightsilver | geo-rge it's /etc/localtime and /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Phoenix |
| 20:03.21 | geo-rge | ls -l /etc/localtime |
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| 20:03.37 | knightsilver | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 35 Dec 18 20:00 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Phoenix |
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| 20:04.17 | geo-rge | snowbird[1]: "stil no gui" so, what did you do so far? (only you are actually seeing your screen, mind) |
| 20:04.39 | blondie | geo-rge: aren't you psychic?! |
| 20:04.49 | snowbird[1] | i didd apt get istall x system |
| 20:04.56 | snowbird[1] | apt get x server |
| 20:04.58 | geo-rge | blondie: ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I dunno |
| 20:05.06 | snowbird[1] | stil noting |
| 20:05.18 | blondie | if you typed it like that, I'm not surprised it didn't work |
| 20:05.20 | geo-rge | snowbird[1]: show exact command please |
| 20:05.23 | snowbird[1] | should i try apt get install nvida |
| 20:05.24 | knightsilver | i guess i'll just reinstall.. i can fix it from the guided install menu |
| 20:05.27 | dafe | ok i got it by my own thanks anyway |
| 20:05.32 | dafe | bye all |
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| 20:05.38 | snowbird[1] | apt-get install x-window-system |
| 20:05.41 | blondie | ABANDONANDO! |
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| 20:05.58 | blondie | snowbird[1]: you'll want to install something like gnome or kde probably |
| 20:06.00 | geo-rge | blondie: ommmmmmmmmmmm... you're blonde! |
| 20:06.06 | iturk | blondie: dont be lonely |
| 20:06.09 | blondie | geo-rge: fraid not. |
| 20:06.16 | blondie | iturk: pardon? |
| 20:06.33 | iturk | blondie: its a portuguese word for lonely |
| 20:06.43 | geo-rge | blondie: aHA! answered your own question, did you? :) |
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| 20:08.08 | geo-rge | iturk: "abandoned", left, exited... as in, quit a program |
| 20:08.20 | Daveman | Hello :) |
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| 20:08.46 | iturk | snowbird[1]: which windows manager did you have ?! |
| 20:08.48 | blondie | iturk: I was taking the piss out of someone's quit message :( |
| 20:08.51 | geo-rge | Mello! Sello! |
| 20:08.57 | geo-rge | get money for my Jello! |
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| 20:09.12 | iturk | blondie: yes i just saw it now |
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| 20:09.49 | iturk | geo-rge: its more depth than that its when you left someone like a puppy for ever |
| 20:10.06 | geo-rge | iturk: I can see that |
| 20:10.24 | geo-rge | "snif! my puppy left me!" |
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| 20:10.43 | iturk | geo-rge: that right thats the spirit |
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| 20:11.13 | zmotok | yo, waddup with libattr1 and libacl1? fuxored up my sid today |
| 20:11.13 | geo-rge | well but that's not the context the word is used here :) |
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| 20:11.31 | geo-rge | zmotok: and you're using sid why? :) |
| 20:11.44 | zmotok | geo-rge: because testing is broken More than sid |
| 20:11.46 | geo-rge | !libattr1 issue |
| 20:11.46 | dpkg | downgrade to 'libattr1_2.4.32-1_i386.deb' on sid. |
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| 20:11.54 | PPPPP | HI |
| 20:11.56 | Daveman | :p |
| 20:12.07 | geo-rge | zmotok: testing is currently frozen |
| 20:12.11 | iturk | zmotok: go back to sarge |
| 20:12.12 | PPPPP | somebody know where find the cowpatty package ? |
| 20:12.21 | zmotok | :D sarge yup okok |
| 20:12.27 | geo-rge | gotta go back to the little grass shak |
| 20:12.47 | geo-rge | !info cowpatty |
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| 20:13.11 | geo-rge | Package 'cowpatty' does not exist. |
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| 20:13.32 | amphi | zmotok: how is etch broken? |
| 20:13.51 | iturk | PPPPP: try apt-cache search cowpatty |
| 20:13.54 | geo-rge | PPPPP: not definitive result. but you do have the choice to build it yourself if you can get source |
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| 20:14.08 | PPPPP | iturk, doesnt exist |
| 20:14.08 | zmotok | i didn't say specifically about etch, i jumped ship to sid when testing had half of kde missing, xorg problems and such |
| 20:14.21 | zmotok | i couldn't live without kmail and.. all of kdepim actually |
| 20:14.24 | iturk | PPPPP: like geo-rge you have to get the source |
| 20:14.27 | zmotok | evolution doesn't rock my boat |
| 20:14.33 | zmotok | so sid was the way to go |
| 20:14.38 | zmotok | and stable back then was Way too old |
| 20:14.39 | PPPPP | geo i am a piece of cake |
| 20:14.41 | geo-rge | zmotok: by reference, you did... testing is etch, currently |
| 20:14.44 | Ronin | zmotok: odd logic |
| 20:14.56 | geo-rge | odjick |
| 20:14.58 | geo-rge | lodjick |
| 20:15.00 | zmotok | Ronin: how so |
| 20:15.50 | zmotok | geo-rge: true, i should have specified, when sarge was undergoing freezes after a few long years of woody as stable, i jumped to sid |
| 20:15.58 | amphi | zmotok: the kde user has a high and lonely destiny ;) |
| 20:16.01 | geo-rge | zmotok: cool... btw, backing up your hard drives pretty often? |
| 20:16.15 | PDani__ | how cani i get the result in seconds in this case: result = futuredate - datetime.datetime.now() |
| 20:16.16 | PDani__ | ? |
| 20:16.22 | PPPPP | iturk, i have the source |
| 20:16.31 | PPPPP | but a lot of error in compiling |
| 20:16.42 | zmotok | geo-rge: weekly, yup, and a good thing too, saved me quite a few times |
| 20:16.43 | iturk | PPPPP: ./configure; make; make install |
| 20:17.03 | iturk | PPPPP: before dont forget to unpack |
| 20:17.04 | geo-rge | zmotok: I bet it did with you using sid and all :P |
| 20:17.06 | zmotok | amphi: wouldn't trade kde for any other DE, but xfce is nice on occasion |
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| 20:17.23 | PDani__ | oh sorry |
| 20:17.26 | PDani__ | not to here :) |
| 20:17.29 | amphi | zmotok: personally I'm not a fan of DEs |
| 20:17.30 | geo-rge | zmotok: you wouldn't trade kde for germany?? |
| 20:17.34 | HardDisk_WP | how do i purge all removed packages?? |
| 20:17.37 | zmotok | amphi: fluxbox user? ;) |
| 20:17.45 | amphi | zmotok: openbox ;) |
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| 20:17.57 | geo-rge | or you wouldn't trade kde for a differential equation?? |
| 20:17.59 | zmotok | geo-rge: haa :D for germany i would, europe's engine.. |
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| 20:18.09 | PPPPP | ./configure dont work on my computer iturk |
| 20:18.14 | iturk | geo-rge: hey i also use kde and its not negociable :D |
| 20:18.25 | zmotok | the latter definitely no, hated my differential ecuations classes |
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| 20:18.29 | geo-rge | PPPPP: why? |
| 20:18.30 | iturk | PPPPP: hmm thats strange |
| 20:18.34 | amphi | zmotok: I kinda liked wmii, but it was too slow and buggy last time I tried it |
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| 20:18.58 | PPPPP | make work, but no ./configure |
| 20:18.59 | zmotok | wmii? hmm.. okay, i'll have to look it up |
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| 20:19.06 | geo-rge | zmotok: you did say "any de" :) |
| 20:19.09 | PPPPP | what i have to install to have ./configure ? |
| 20:19.15 | geo-rge | PPPPP: why? |
| 20:19.20 | iturk | PPPPP: did you see any README file after unpacking ?? |
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| 20:19.34 | PPPPP | ./configure have never worked |
| 20:19.39 | geo-rge | PPPPP: why? |
| 20:19.44 | PPPPP | dont know |
| 20:19.46 | amphi | zmotok: it was wmii.de but the domain was lost |
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| 20:19.53 | geo-rge | ok, that's the first thing to find out |
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| 20:20.07 | PPPPP | iturk, in the readme, thats writed to do make |
| 20:20.19 | iturk | PPPPP: its just a scripth that you will see if you do ls inside the install directory |
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| 20:20.25 | geo-rge | hint: maybe it tells you why when you try to run ./configure :) |
| 20:20.45 | iturk | PPPPP: so just do make !!! follow the readme file |
| 20:20.56 | iturk | PPPPP: like if you are doing a cake |
| 20:21.07 | zmotok | looks a bit like ion2.. |
| 20:21.09 | geo-rge | just don't open the oven and let it fall |
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| 20:21.19 | zmotok | interesting, i might give it a try |
| 20:21.37 | zmotok | nice talking to ya'll, cya round :) |
| 20:22.05 | PPPPP | but make make shit |
| 20:22.06 | geo-rge | and so he went back to his little grass shack... |
| 20:22.13 | geo-rge | PPPPP: why? |
| 20:22.21 | PPPPP | they say that the alone dependance needed is openssl |
| 20:22.27 | PPPPP | but seem not |
| 20:22.36 | geo-rge | aha, needs openssl? |
| 20:22.57 | iturk | PPPPP: well if it need some dependency you will have to install it also |
| 20:22.58 | PPPPP | i go to make make bakershop's trashes |
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| 20:23.07 | geo-rge | Ronin: pppd? |
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| 20:23.14 | Ronin | geo-rge: distro actually |
| 20:23.23 | geo-rge | oh :) |
| 20:23.27 | PPPPP | ubuntu |
| 20:23.38 | PPPPP | i come bak |
| 20:23.50 | ssvb | hello, I need an urgent help with some trivial issue in debian based distro, is it generally possible to make changes of 'usermod' (addition of user to a new group) to take effect immediately without reboot or relogin? |
| 20:23.56 | Ronin | Away-trash: try #ubuntu then |
| 20:24.10 | geo-rge | you would have to install ubuntu's openssl and openssl for dev packages |
| 20:24.16 | Away-trash | i have done |
| 20:24.23 | geo-rge | both?? |
| 20:24.32 | Away-trash | mmmh not sure |
| 20:24.41 | Away-trash | i do it after comebacking |
| 20:24.45 | iturk | ssvb: i ussially i edit /etc/groups by hand by then i think that i need to reboot |
| 20:24.46 | Away-trash | thx |
| 20:24.51 | geo-rge | ok, so check with #ubuntu how to find those |
| 20:24.53 | Ronin | !tell Away-trash about ubuntu |
| 20:25.06 | Ronin | hey cool its quitting time |
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| 20:25.32 | iturk | ssvb: check addgroup command !! |
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| 20:25.44 | geo-rge | or groupadd |
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| 20:26.09 | geo-rge | depending on your purpose and whether you want to type at shell or write shell script |
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| 20:27.00 | davidovich | hey, can i ask here a network question? |
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| 20:27.13 | iturk | davidovich: shore |
| 20:27.30 | geo-rge | wow, even to this day the shadow password suite never got around to getting rid of newusers... very useful command |
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| 20:28.03 | abrotman | davidovich: for debian ? |
| 20:28.10 | davidovich | yep |
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| 20:29.02 | iturk | davidovich: question(whatever) | grep debian |
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| 20:29.16 | Daveman | hey abrotman |
| 20:29.28 | davidovich | i just started with debian, and this computer has 2 lan ports, i wonder how to configure debian that i can get on internet with a windows pc that is connected on the second lan port |
| 20:29.34 | abrotman | hi Daveman |
| 20:29.41 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 20:29.42 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 20:29.43 | Daveman | Howdy |
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| 20:29.55 | lunaphyte_ | how do i figure out the integer that corresponds to a particular syslog facility/priority? |
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| 20:30.46 | pstickne | how can I open/mount nero (.nrg) image files? (converting them to ISO is okay) |
| 20:31.38 | amphi | pstickne: convert to iso and loopback mount them? |
| 20:31.41 | aredhel | pstickne, try nrg2iso |
| 20:31.54 | pstickne | thanks amphi and aredhel |
| 20:32.07 | ssvb | geo-rge: well, i need to add some existing user to existing group 'video', i solved it by running 'gpasswd -a user video', but unfortunately the change takes effect after reboot, i'm looking for a way to make this change take effect in the same session |
| 20:32.32 | aredhel | pstickne, in some cases this does not work and you will have to get nero to do it. |
| 20:32.46 | pstickne | aredhel, it's just a PITA getting VMWare access :( |
| 20:32.56 | ssvb | geo-rge: it would not be fun for linux to require reboot for such a minor issue :) |
| 20:32.59 | pstickne | (I really should setup samba or a http server or something :) |
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| 20:33.13 | iturk | ssvb: try addgroup user video |
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| 20:33.59 | dubbyah | mark of teh beast. |
| 20:34.00 | tango_ | hello all. I'm suddenly getting this error: "/usr/bin/install: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol setxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference" at link time when compiling a program that compiled just smoothly yesterday. I've done a dist-upgrade in between, what could have I broken? |
| 20:34.02 | amphi | ssvb: no need to reboot for a group change, just log out and in |
| 20:34.15 | pstickne | "It seems that xyz.nrg is already an ISO 9660 image". Hmm :p |
| 20:34.24 | amphi | pstickne: run file on it |
| 20:34.46 | pstickne | yup, ISO 9660. Damn lying file extensions. |
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| 20:34.56 | Zta | I need to copy quite alot of mail from one imap server to another. The mail is organised in miscelaneous folders. Is there a particularly good tool for this? I basically need a "cp -a"'ish thing. I'm trying with Thunderbird, but its rather unreliable. |
| 20:35.32 | iturk | tango_: i think that the version of that lib has change after the dist-upgrade !! |
| 20:35.35 | aredhel | pstickne, if it's a one track iso then you can just mount it, if it's more then that, or a diffrent sector size it gets wierd. |
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| 20:36.18 | Zta | imapcopy! =) |
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| 20:37.11 | pstickne | it comes up fine. now the absolutely shitty part... seeing if I can decode any of these files :-/ |
| 20:38.06 | pumpkin0 | pstickne: "vim" and "file" are the best friends... |
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| 20:38.51 | tango_ | iturk, is there a way to tell what was dist-upgraded in the latest dist-upgrade? the lib is part of libacl1, a core package, any way to tell if it was actually upgraded with the last update? |
| 20:38.52 | neoalex | hi guys, how can I make ifconfign output only the value of the HWAddress |
| 20:39.07 | neoalex | ifconfig*, sorry |
| 20:39.21 | sparr | how can i build/install a package that i downloaded with 'apt-get source'? |
| 20:39.31 | helo | anyone know of a way to generate a mouse click from a bash script? |
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| 20:39.52 | iturk | tango_: hmmm i am not shore !! can you reconfigure the installation like doing a ./configure ?! |
| 20:40.00 | Eulex | helo, xautomation I believe |
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| 20:40.54 | aredhel | sparr, I cd in to the dir and run debuild; debc; then think and maybe do sudo debi. |
| 20:41.22 | deadcat | asg: thanks for the help on the libattr1 issue in sid (= |
| 20:41.30 | ssvb | amphi: that's too bad, relogin is also unacceptable, it is effectively equivalent of reboot here :( well, nevermind |
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| 20:41.52 | sparr | aredhel: sounds plausible |
| 20:41.58 | amphi | ssvb: yeah, it's a PITA |
| 20:42.27 | aredhel | sparr, debuild is a little over kill and take some config work before runing but it works in more cases then other solutions. |
| 20:42.33 | sparr | ftp.debian.org not responding? |
| 20:42.35 | Federico2 | bye |
| 20:42.42 | neoalex | or where else can I find the MAC address of eth0, so I can just get the value |
| 20:42.58 | blondie | neoalex: ifconfig |
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| 20:43.17 | blondie | you want just the mac address? |
| 20:43.18 | neoalex | I know, but I need just the value of the HWaddr to use in a script |
| 20:43.25 | neoalex | yes |
| 20:43.41 | blondie | make the script get it from there |
| 20:43.48 | neoalex | ifconfig | grep HW shows me the whole first line |
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| 20:44.13 | neoalex | it's not anywhere else? |
| 20:44.16 | blondie | dunno |
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| 20:44.33 | neoalex | k thanks |
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| 20:45.30 | pumpkin0 | neoalex: /sys/class/net/eth0/address |
| 20:46.29 | neoalex | I don't seem to have that folder |
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| 20:46.56 | pumpkin0 | neoalex: that is a file. Nothing under /sys at all ? |
| 20:47.17 | neoalex | no |
| 20:49.00 | pumpkin0 | neoalex: sarge ? |
| 20:49.28 | Mark_Iron | !seen kano |
| 20:49.29 | dpkg | kano <n=kano@ACB1A2D4.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 241d 20h 41m 17s ago, saying: 'usually apt-cache show policy, or'. |
| 20:49.45 | blondie | "sysfs" needs to be mounting... dunno how you do that |
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| 20:51.37 | pumpkin0 | blondie: "mount -t sysfs none /sys" |
| 20:51.43 | pumpkin0 | neoalex: ^^^ |
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| 20:52.10 | neoalex | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.12 | neoalex | is fine |
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| 20:55.12 | deego | There's a /etc/.pwd.lock on my machine dated 4 years ago. Could this have been left behind by an unclean "adduser"? And if so, howcome I have been able to add tons of users over the last 4 years? |
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| 20:57.36 | CHodapp | Anyone here on Radeon (with open source DRI)? I'm getting a pink bar on the right of the screen anytime I try to play an HD video and I don't know why it's doing that |
| 20:57.48 | CHodapp | it seems to be an acknowledged bug but I'm having a very hard time finding anything else about it |
| 20:58.00 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: which card is it ? |
| 20:58.03 | CHodapp | 9250 |
| 20:58.26 | CHodapp | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg-bugzilla-noise/2004-September/003331.html seems the same issue |
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| 20:58.52 | threw | hi all ! |
| 20:59.12 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: how old is your driver ? |
| 20:59.37 | CHodapp | I don't know, I'm on Xorg 7.1 |
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| 21:00.07 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: that is newer then the 2004'er driver that had the issue. |
| 21:00.08 | threw | i have a simple command line question: i have a file who contain this line: <a="html://www.rm.com/a.rm">, i want in only one command line line get the value between " & ": how to do please ? |
| 21:00.13 | cast | hmmm. so, cat6 is fine for gig eth. and cat5 isn't, but cat5e is? |
| 21:00.34 | pumpkin0 | cast: right. |
| 21:00.35 | CHodapp | pumpkin0: but the symptoms are identical. |
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| 21:00.51 | cast | confusing. i'm sure when i bought all my cat6 cables there was no cat5e instore |
| 21:00.55 | bobbyz | threw: pipe the line into 'cut -d '"' -f2' |
| 21:01.11 | blondie | 21:00:16 < cast> hmmm. so, cat6 is fine for gig eth. and cat5 isn't, but cat5e is? |
| 21:01.15 | blondie | that surprises you? |
| 21:01.15 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: the driver supporting the 9200 got rewriten in 2005 (to get 3D). |
| 21:01.19 | Away-trash | re |
| 21:01.26 | blondie | cat5e is newer than cat5 |
| 21:01.37 | bobbyz | threw: it means to print the second field of the line when using " as a delimiter |
| 21:01.41 | pumpkin0 | cast: it gets worse: look at the maximal runlength ... |
| 21:01.50 | Away-trash | what prg give ‘pcap_next_ex’ ? |
| 21:01.52 | cast | but is cat6 newer than cat5e? and why have cat5e when you have cat6? |
| 21:01.55 | Away-trash | i need this function |
| 21:02.00 | CHodapp | pumpkin0: so? |
| 21:02.00 | blondie | of course it is |
| 21:02.12 | blondie | cat5e is cheaper |
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| 21:02.20 | Supaplex | because cat-o-9-tails is funner |
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| 21:02.46 | threw | bobbyz: ok, it works perfectly thanks :) |
| 21:02.47 | loopdee | is there a command to update the gnome menu ? |
| 21:02.52 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: i don't think the guys made the same error twice. |
| 21:02.52 | bobbyz | threw: np |
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| 21:02.52 | dpack | hi. does anyone know of a debian package I can use to keep track of time on assignments? (I'm a freelance consultant) |
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| 21:03.12 | CHodapp | pumpkin0: so I'm inventing my problems? |
| 21:03.20 | blondie | dpack: "date"? |
| 21:03.33 | bobbyz | threw: enjoy your new leech script ;) |
| 21:03.43 | dpack | blondie: I'm looking for something a bit more featureful. |
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| 21:03.47 | cast | hmm, max len for cat5e and cat6 are is both 90m, eh...store atm is only selling cat5e..*buys that* |
| 21:04.19 | dpack | I can keep tabs on time spent manually, but its a bit of a pain... |
| 21:04.30 | CHodapp | pumpkin0: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-November/019850.html is from a month ago and shows the same symptoms |
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| 21:05.09 | CHodapp | oh, hmm, workaround from that link |
| 21:05.20 | sparr | where can i get old debian packages? |
| 21:05.29 | blondie | sparr: a mirror |
| 21:05.31 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 21:05.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 21:05.43 | sparr | thanks |
| 21:05.51 | sparr | gonna be a bitch to downgrade |
| 21:06.15 | CHodapp | gah... I'm going to have to build Xorg from source to make this work, won't I |
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| 21:06.27 | unlink_ | how do i access the system's node name in a shell script? |
| 21:06.42 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: yepp, that: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1462 is the main error-report with 2 radeon-devs talking ... |
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| 21:08.49 | unlink_ | oops |
| 21:08.52 | unlink_ | wrong channel |
| 21:08.55 | Supaplex | now ya done it |
| 21:09.08 | CHodapp | Supaplex: does your name came from the old DOS game? |
| 21:09.14 | Supaplex | yup :) |
| 21:09.28 | unlink | my boss always talks about supaplex |
| 21:09.43 | CHodapp | my sister (who is 24) loved that game to death |
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| 21:09.55 | arpjp | how to uninstall one programa TAR ? |
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| 21:10.33 | Supaplex | I have a trusty 386sx16 just for that game :) |
| 21:10.38 | CHodapp | pumpkin0: bleah, it seems that the only fix basically just scales 960x1080 content |
| 21:10.57 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: hmm... ask ATI for a spec-update. |
| 21:11.06 | CHodapp | spec-update? |
| 21:11.10 | Spec | yeap |
| 21:11.15 | Spec | CHodapp: i'm doing good :) |
| 21:11.33 | bakfupai | chmod: cannot access `/etc/default/ssh': No such file or directory <- I get this when doing apt-get install openssh-server. is that something to worry about or should I just ignore it. sshd works fine. |
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| 21:12.14 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: specifications. They do not tell the world/devs how the chips work. And they do not support them in the closed-source drivers. No more ATIs for me... |
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| 21:12.43 | abrotman | Supaplex: you gave my state money! |
| 21:12.55 | Supaplex | how? :) |
| 21:13.04 | CHodapp | pumpkin0: I got a 9250 because of good open source support, how annoying... but I knew my next card would definitely not be an ATI |
| 21:13.06 | peteweez | I need to force an ext3 filesystem to write from the beginning, everything in order, so that it always writes to the very first available block. How do I do this? |
| 21:13.07 | loopdee | ugh i get segfault with synaptic and apt |
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| 21:13.16 | bakfupai | ATI + Linux usually spells trouble |
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| 21:13.32 | abrotman | Linux + binary anything usually spells trouble |
| 21:13.40 | CHodapp | Nvidia works a bit better |
| 21:13.47 | peteweez | abrotman: Binary NVidia drivers are OK |
| 21:13.47 | bakfupai | Unless you have an old card like 8500 because then you can use the Open Source drivers. |
| 21:13.50 | abrotman | FSVO a bit :) |
| 21:13.55 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:that's not true, |
| 21:13.57 | abrotman | peteweez: and some say the ATI are ok |
| 21:13.58 | CHodapp | bakfupai: yeah, 9250 here, works great for 3D |
| 21:14.01 | CharminTheMoose | take a look at google earth |
| 21:14.06 | peteweez | abrotman: I suppose yes |
| 21:14.06 | CharminTheMoose | that's binary and it works |
| 21:14.15 | Supaplex | but that's an application, not a driver |
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| 21:14.34 | CHodapp | yes, working binary is generally better that slightly working binary or barely working binary |
| 21:14.39 | pingouin | are the intel Quad core and mobo that fit with supported by linux kernel ? |
| 21:14.40 | CHodapp | but working open source usually trumps them all. |
| 21:15.00 | bakfupai | CHodapp: Except for the card being hopelessly slow :P |
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| 21:15.59 | CHodapp | I'm running Google Earth right now and either it is buggy or my GL driver has bugs... |
| 21:16.16 | peteweez | Anybody know how to force an ext3 filesystem to always write in a linear fashion (writing the first available block and packing it in as tight as possible)? |
| 21:16.43 | loopdee | i have 9500 , wow in cedega worked fine, but theres a little problem i have with logout of gnome or switch to console |
| 21:16.47 | CHodapp | that really runs against the way it works |
| 21:16.51 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: use another fs. |
| 21:17.00 | geekboi | Any ideas what I can do to resolve this? ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined in file libattr.so.1 with link time reference |
| 21:17.03 | peteweez | pumpkin0: &^%^%*( !!!!! |
| 21:17.12 | superlinux | how can i install emule/xmule on my debian sarge? |
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| 21:17.18 | peteweez | pumpkin0: such as...? |
| 21:17.34 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: is it a tape or a flash-thing ? |
| 21:17.39 | superlinux | there was a site for that? |
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| 21:17.50 | geekboi | Unstable 2.6.15, libacl version 2.2.42-1, libattr version 2.4.35-1 |
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| 21:17.58 | peteweez | pumpkin0: It's a steganographic filesystem that must be protected on a regular hard drive |
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| 21:18.38 | geekboi | Output of strace ls -al is at http://pastebin.ca/284080 |
| 21:19.09 | peteweez | pumpkin0: brb, I'll explain in a minute |
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| 21:19.34 | CHodapp | are all of Intel's new graphics chipsets supported particularly well? |
| 21:20.05 | Supaplex | serial consoles are supported :) |
| 21:20.16 | CHodapp | I've got an old laptop for that |
| 21:20.50 | CHodapp | but I can't edit my photos in ASCII art |
| 21:22.12 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: uhm ... UDF comes to mind. And several special flashfs things like JFFS/JFFS2 |
| 21:22.34 | peteweez | pumpkin0: OK there's one ext3 filesytem on a block device starting at the beginning. Then another starting at the end, which is hidden (device mapper makes it go backwards). The hidden one knows it doesn't have the whole device, but the normal fs thinks it has the entire device, including the space occupied by the hidden device. My device mapper will remount readonly if an attempt is made to write to the hidden volume's space |
| 21:23.06 | peteweez | pumpkin0: I need to prevent it from even trying to write to the hidden fs |
| 21:23.10 | peteweez | cast: huh |
| 21:23.12 | peteweez | ? |
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| 21:23.35 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: that will fail in a really stupid way ... |
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| 21:24.19 | peteweez | pumpkin0: OK how did I goof this time? |
| 21:24.38 | CHodapp | that's not really steganographic. |
| 21:24.41 | superlinux | hello anybody?? |
| 21:24.55 | bobbyz | peteweez: I understand that you wish to be very covert in hiding your data, but a forensics expert could still determine that there's a hidden filesystem on your disk |
| 21:25.21 | cast | CHodapp: well, it is. just not to a very great degree. i mean if you went df -h and it listed 20gb/200gb on a 200gb drive you wouldn't think anything was amiss |
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| 21:25.45 | superlinux | there was a site for pakgs like xmule built to be runing over sarge, who knows it? |
| 21:25.48 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: you tell 2 different fs: "hey this belongs to you". That is stupid. |
| 21:26.25 | peteweez | pumpkin0: You mean lying to fs is stupid? It was recommended by #crypto |
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| 21:26.57 | peteweez | bobbyz: I need forensics, subpoena proof data...I'm trying to immunize against the *AA |
| 21:27.11 | CHodapp | just use TrueCrypt or something. |
| 21:27.20 | peteweez | CHodapp: What do you think I'm using? |
| 21:27.29 | peteweez | CHodapp: That's exactly what I'm using |
| 21:27.34 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: OK, then put it in another place: encrytped FS in the middle of swap-partition. |
| 21:28.02 | Ronin | or stop being over paranoid ;) |
| 21:28.02 | peteweez | pumpkin0: Won't that get run over when my system decides to use the swap? Which it never does anyway. |
| 21:28.11 | peteweez | Ronin: True |
| 21:28.22 | peteweez | Ronin: But it's not paranoia...the RIAA really is suing people |
| 21:28.34 | Ronin | peteweez: then stop dling music |
| 21:28.37 | CHodapp | suing != search and seizure |
| 21:28.43 | peteweez | Ronin: That's giving in |
| 21:28.46 | CHodapp | Ronin: they sue whether you download or not, illegally or legally |
| 21:28.52 | Ronin | or move to a country where its still legal |
| 21:28.54 | peteweez | CHodapp: so very true |
| 21:28.55 | bobbyz | peteweez: a forensics expert would simply analyze your disk at the physical level and find that you're reading from and writing to the end of your disk a lot |
| 21:29.00 | CHodapp | Ronin: they'll sue you for exercising fair use rights |
| 21:29.19 | Ronin | CHodapp: its still stealing, even if i do it its still stealing |
| 21:29.19 | peteweez | CHodapp: if they sue, can they subpoena my encryption keys? |
| 21:29.38 | CHodapp | Ronin: fair use isn't stealing, downloading legally isn't stealing |
| 21:29.39 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: you don't have to use / mount the swap-partition. btw., the standard-procedure around here is to pack the HD into a big ball of termite. If sb is knocking, just light it ... |
| 21:29.55 | CHodapp | Ronin: and not downloading at all certainly isn't stealing, but they'll sue for that too. |
| 21:29.56 | peteweez | bobbyz: So how do I make forensics proof data? |
| 21:30.01 | Trewas | peteweez: but aren't they mainly noticing who is warezing from the network traffic? encryption/steganography won't hide that |
| 21:30.04 | peteweez | pumpkin0: 2 problems |
| 21:30.20 | CHodapp | thermite, not termite. |
| 21:30.22 | peteweez | Trewas: network logs alone can't convict, only indict...they need HD evidence |
| 21:30.26 | Trewas | peteweez: besides, owning music/movies in commonly-warezed formats is not illegal |
| 21:30.31 | L4m3r | supoena-proofing your data? all that takes is a sledgehammer. :) |
| 21:30.33 | CHodapp | unless your drive is wooden. |
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| 21:30.45 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: and in most RIAA-cases they showscreenshots of the IP. Nothing more. No HD forensic at all. |
| 21:30.58 | peteweez | pumpkin0: #1. if I destroy it, it's default judgment against me...#2 thermite is illegal in the U.S.A. |
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| 21:31.11 | malex | !libattr |
| 21:31.14 | peteweez | pumpkin0: the screenshots are only to be able to subpoena the hard drive |
| 21:31.21 | CHodapp | my brother's made thermite in the USA as part of a lab for his ChemE degree... |
| 21:31.28 | L4m3r | booby-trap the hard drive and then sue them for destroying your data when they take it |
| 21:31.37 | peteweez | pumpkin0: screenshots alone can't convict AFAIK...they could've been photoshopped |
| 21:31.59 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: read slashdot and be very, very scared. |
| 21:32.06 | L4m3r | it's not like the RIAA can't get away with stretching the evidence... |
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| 21:32.32 | peteweez | pumpkin0: I am scared |
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| 21:32.34 | bobbyz | peteweez: L4m3r's solution is about the closest you can come to "forensics-proof". Expose a hard drive to extreme heat is a way to make things irrecoverable |
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| 21:32.48 | peteweez | bobbyz: but that gets me convicted by default |
| 21:32.51 | Arafangio1 | How do I install the latest kernel, AND keep my current kernel? |
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| 21:32.55 | Ronin | heh |
| 21:32.59 | peteweez | bobbyz: some idiot wiped his HD and got convicted |
| 21:33.00 | Arafangio1 | WHile upgrading from Sarge to Etch |
| 21:33.08 | Ronin | i love you land of the free home of the brave folks lately |
| 21:33.26 | peteweez | Ronin: I wanna emigrate!!! |
| 21:33.31 | blondie | Arafangio1: if you install it using apt-get, it'll keep the old one too |
| 21:33.38 | peteweez | Ronin: Everyone here's nuts |
| 21:33.49 | L4m3r | probably the best way is to cover your ass and fight the subpoena |
| 21:33.54 | Ronin | peteweez: they are everyelse too though |
| 21:33.56 | Arafangio1 | blondie: You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.18-3-k7) on a machine currently running kernel version 2.6.8-2-386. |
| 21:34.03 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: no, dead HDs prove nothing. You just have to have a lawyer saying: "screenshots do not prove anything. Here is one showing the white house download kiddy-porn" |
| 21:34.03 | bobbyz | peteweez: Honestly, you're better off destroying anything you have that is illegal and just abiding by the law |
| 21:34.16 | peteweez | L4m3r: Yeah and how do I do that? |
| 21:34.16 | L4m3r | claim that the evidence used to obtain the subpoena was gathered illegally |
| 21:34.22 | Ronin | peteweez: go buy the darn cds :) its so much easier |
| 21:34.29 | L4m3r | or that too |
| 21:34.30 | peteweez | Ronin: I'm too cheap |
| 21:34.32 | Ronin | or stick to porn where they dont care |
| 21:34.33 | bobbyz | I second Ronin |
| 21:34.44 | peteweez | pumpkin0: I wouldn't need photoshop to get Bush downloading kiddieporn...he does that anyway |
| 21:34.50 | bobbyz | umm...on the first statement, not the porn one |
| 21:34.52 | bobbyz | :) |
| 21:35.04 | peteweez | CDs are expensivew |
| 21:35.08 | L4m3r | well if you're that paranoid, think of how many CDs you could buy with the obscene amount of money you'll get sued for |
| 21:35.10 | peteweez | *xpensive |
| 21:35.12 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: prove it. (and google about TOR and eff) |
| 21:35.18 | snowbird[1] | how much heat to hot for hd |
| 21:35.19 | peteweez | I know about tor & eff |
| 21:35.26 | snowbird[1] | mine is next to my heater |
| 21:35.28 | peteweez | snowbird: 1500 C IIRC |
| 21:36.04 | snowbird[1] | wow |
| 21:36.05 | pumpkin0 | snowbird[1]: normal operation or killing-the-data way ? |
| 21:36.05 | blondie | snowbird[1]: that's rubbish |
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| 21:36.05 | snowbird[1] | kill data |
| 21:36.05 | snowbird[1] | 80 deg |
| 21:36.07 | peteweez | pumpkin0: CDs cost like $15-20 |
| 21:36.08 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.15 | Ronin | snowbird[1]: lets just say at work when we destroy drives, we degauze them then they get shredded then they get melted down, then we fell its safe |
| 21:36.22 | pumpkin0 | snowbird[1]: > 800 °C for 10 mins. |
| 21:36.36 | Ronin | s/feel/fell |
| 21:37.17 | L4m3r | hm... what about those "13 CDs for the price of one" deals? anyone try those? I hear they work |
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| 21:37.32 | peteweez | Wait a minute...does the RIAA sue for just downloading anyway...I only leech, never share (except on BT) |
| 21:37.36 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: CD or CD-R ? |
| 21:37.38 | L4m3r | you just have to stay on top of things and cancel at the right time |
| 21:37.43 | peteweez | pumpkin0: CD |
| 21:37.58 | peteweez | L4m3r: cancel at what time? |
| 21:38.20 | L4m3r | it's sort of a beginning deal for a subscription service to get CDs |
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| 21:38.34 | pstickne | what's the simplest way to configure a local caching ns? |
| 21:38.35 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: so far only uploaders have been nailed. (did you find eff's TOR-site ) |
| 21:38.37 | L4m3r | so once you get all the free ones, you have to cancel before the bill you for a month :D |
| 21:39.09 | RobNC | Redhat has chkconfig - is there an analogous program or method for debian? |
| 21:39.15 | cast | pumpkin0: just use encryption, don't worry about steg [i can never spell it...]. when they come for you you'll get too stressed and forget they passwd anyway |
| 21:39.23 | pstickne | L4m3r, what is monthly billing? ;) |
| 21:39.26 | peteweez | pumpkin0: I've only looked there about 1,000 times |
| 21:39.34 | peteweez | pumpkin0: That's one of my favorite sites |
| 21:39.35 | cast | pumpkin0: besides, telling them the passwd is self incrimination isn't it? |
| 21:39.44 | pumpkin0 | cast: yupp |
| 21:39.45 | cast | eh, am i talking to the wrong person... |
| 21:39.53 | peteweez | cast: you sure are |
| 21:40.01 | cast | i demand there be only 26 people in this room. each with a different first letter. |
| 21:40.03 | abrotman | can you torify a server? ... /me should just ask arma |
| 21:40.22 | peteweez | cast: but if truecrypt has no headers or signatures (as opposed to LUKS, which does), can they even subpoena it? |
| 21:40.51 | RobNC | got my own answer: http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/debnotes.html |
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| 21:40.51 | cast | abrotman: you can host on tor, but i think that's only accessable from the tor network |
| 21:40.51 | peteweez | cast: and can I wipe the part of the partition table that tells about the existence of the partition? |
| 21:40.54 | mtomczak | I keep all my downloaded music on my server, accessible via the internet behind a standard HTTP password. |
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| 21:41.08 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: if you got a bad lawyer your HD is not even going to be read ... |
| 21:41.20 | abrotman | cast: my question is .. If i wanted to run my HTTPD through tor .. how do people find it ? |
| 21:41.22 | peteweez | pumpkin0: Uh what about pro se>? |
| 21:41.23 | abrotman | is it even possible ? |
| 21:41.24 | peteweez | *? |
| 21:41.39 | mtomczak | The way I see it, if the RIAA chooses to sue me, they have no legal way to be aware that I had these songs, since there's a password lock on the whole system. |
| 21:41.42 | peteweez | pumpkin0: or public defender? |
| 21:41.47 | abrotman | i guess my ISP would still see it |
| 21:41.49 | cast | peteweez: they'll know. everyone will know...and if you don't want luks headers then use dm-crypt straight. fuck truecrypt. :) |
| 21:41.52 | mtomczak | I immediately turn around and counter-sue under the DMCA for cracking my system. |
| 21:42.12 | blondie | DMCA has nothing to do with "cracking your system" |
| 21:42.14 | peteweez | mtomczak: rotflmao |
| 21:42.29 | peteweez | That'd be funny if it actually worked (does it) |
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| 21:42.51 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have a nis server and couple of clients that access it. i had changed the shell of the user from tsch to bash on the nis server. and ran the usual make -C /var/yp. however the client machines still see tcch as the shell and not bash, would appreciate some help on this |
| 21:43.00 | pumpkin0 | mtomczak: there are cases and rulings based on screenshots only. No HD was ever confiscated ... because the person did not have a PC. |
| 21:43.02 | abrotman | blondie: yay patriot act :) |
| 21:43.05 | peteweez | mtomczak: That's not DMCA, that's just trespassing on your system |
| 21:43.20 | peteweez | abrotman: FUCK the PATRIOT act. |
| 21:43.20 | cast | abrotman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_%28anonymity_network%29#Anonymous_hidden_services like i said, seems to be only accessable via tor for the client. i know what you mean though, that would be neat...i suppose someone could setup a gateway to do that |
| 21:43.28 | Ronin | peteweez: patriot act, no such thing anymore as govt trepassing |
| 21:43.38 | peteweez | Ronin: $#^%&$$%&% !!!!!! |
| 21:43.39 | Ronin | wow talk about way way way off topic |
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| 21:44.08 | L4m3r | RIAA != gov't |
| 21:44.19 | cast | L4m3r: are you sureeeeeeeeee? |
| 21:44.25 | Ronin | L4m3r: uh huh, but who knocks down the door? |
| 21:44.26 | L4m3r | not yet anyway |
| 21:44.27 | peteweez | L4m3r: given the lobbyists, it might |
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| 21:44.46 | L4m3r | but not to the extent that they're covered by the patriot act |
| 21:44.54 | Trewas | mtomczak: with any p2p system the other peers will see what you are sharing at the time and your IP completely legally, unless you are using something like tor/freenet |
| 21:45.00 | peteweez | L4m3r: for now...:-/ |
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| 21:45.08 | mtomczak | peteweez: My system contains copyrighted material that I own the copyright on. By tresspassing on my system, they are using a circumvention device to access my material without permission. |
| 21:45.14 | L4m3r | Billy's pirated 50 Cent album is not yet an issue of national security |
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| 21:45.28 | peteweez | Why doesn't anybody use GNUNet? |
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| 21:45.41 | amphi | L4m3r: catch 22 says they can do anything to you that you can't stop them doing ;) |
| 21:45.53 | L4m3r | at least, not until they RIAA jumps on the War on Drugs bandwagon and declares "Music piracy funds TERRORISM!" |
| 21:46.09 | cast | peteweez: i think you could just say "oh, i was going to start using that partition when i needed more space." then "why does it look like encrypted? Oh..that, I securely deleted the partition after i stopped saving banking details on it" |
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| 21:46.24 | peteweez | cast: I like it |
| 21:46.35 | peteweez | cast: although any use of srm or wipe is met with suspicion |
| 21:46.55 | cast | but you have to worry about /var, too. i don't know how you're going to explain away the apparent lack of a /var on your system |
| 21:47.12 | peteweez | cast: What's huh? |
| 21:47.21 | peteweez | cast: why wouldn't I have /var? |
| 21:47.33 | cast | /var is going to be logging every FS mount etc... |
| 21:47.44 | peteweez | cast: Oh @$%^#$ !!! |
| 21:47.51 | amphi | L4m3r: that has already been articulated |
| 21:47.53 | L4m3r | you could probably doctor that though |
| 21:47.57 | peteweez | cast: and whatever happened to your bash history? |
| 21:48.01 | cast | its easier imho to encrypt it then try to patch everything so it didn't log anything sensitive |
| 21:48.04 | chrysn | hi! is there anything odd going on about libacl in testing, by any chance? |
| 21:48.14 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: running debian of a ramfs is nice. 1 reboot and everything is gone ... |
| 21:48.40 | peteweez | pumpkin0: 512 MB RAM + too cheap to buy anything = NO GO |
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| 21:49.04 | cast | peteweez: my roots bash history is in plaintext, i think its too hard to try to hide data tbh |
| 21:49.07 | L4m3r | heh, peteweez, good idea |
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| 21:49.25 | Arafangio1 | rm ~/.bash_history |
| 21:49.37 | L4m3r | I just got a Core 2 Duo/2GB ram laptop and it doesn't feel any faster than my AMD64 3200+/512 ram desktop |
| 21:49.47 | peteweez | Arafangio1: no offence, but are you drunk? |
| 21:49.48 | cast | Arafangio1: shred or wipe is better, rm it and it's still there... |
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| 21:50.03 | peteweez | Arafangio1: wipe ~/.bash_history |
| 21:50.07 | pumpkin0 | L4m3r: what are you doing ? most prog-starts depend on the HD (laptop = slower HD) |
| 21:50.08 | Arafangio1 | cast: It's all academic. |
| 21:50.18 | Trewas | isn't encryption/steganography or other elaborate schemes a bit too paranoid for storing your stolen music? are you going to lock up in the basement when listening? otherwise the partition will likely be mounted when the cops come knocking and then all the hiding schemes are wasted |
| 21:50.18 | cast | Arafangio1: is it? |
| 21:50.21 | L4m3r | pumpkin0: this is true. |
| 21:50.35 | L4m3r | desktop has 2 HDDs with separate swaps too |
| 21:50.44 | peteweez | Trewas: cops don't come knocking...I just have to produce a HD in court |
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| 21:50.55 | pumpkin0 | L4m3r: 2GB RAM => no swap. |
| 21:51.05 | Arafangio1 | cast: If you have sufficient access to the raw HDD, you basically have full access to the machine, and for most people, ensuring that nobody takes the HDD itself isn't that hard, unless you are like, running the Dept of Defense. |
| 21:51.29 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: do you know about the IDE-securty commands ? |
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| 21:51.34 | Trewas | peteweez: well, here they do... there's of course no point asking anyone to send HD to court, even cops are not that stupid |
| 21:51.39 | L4m3r | seems like the best approach is to run storage on an HTPC that's not online, or something |
| 21:51.41 | peteweez | Arafangio1: HD can be subpoened |
| 21:51.43 | cast | Arafangio1: you mean full access to the data stored? |
| 21:51.48 | peteweez | pumpkin0: nope |
| 21:52.03 | peteweez | Trewas: What country are you in? I'm American. |
| 21:52.05 | Ronin | peteweez: you see black helecopters as well? ;) |
| 21:52.09 | Arafangio1 | peteweez: Well, even then a wipe isn't sufficent sometimes :) |
| 21:52.14 | peteweez | Ronin: I'm not that paranoid |
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| 21:52.18 | Trewas | peteweez: finland |
| 21:52.22 | Ronin | just checking |
| 21:52.27 | cast | imo secure deletion is a waste of time. encrypt it first time. |
| 21:52.30 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: man hdparm => ATA Security Feature Set. |
| 21:52.36 | peteweez | Trewas: I thought the Scandanavian judicial systems were leniant |
| 21:52.54 | peteweez | pumpkin0: sorry...I really should RTFM more often |
| 21:53.13 | peteweez | ATA Security Feature Set |
| 21:53.13 | peteweez | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.13 | peteweez | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.26 | peteweez | That's BAD. |
| 21:53.27 | cast | i'm curious, does anyone use those security features? |
| 21:54.02 | Trewas | peteweez: usually yes... but when someone is suspected of computer related crime, I can see why they come and get your computers instead of asking you to send them somewhere |
| 21:54.04 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: it looks the HD very hard in 50-100 ms. OK, it is creakable... |
| 21:54.22 | pumpkin0 | looks/locks/ |
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| 21:54.37 | AcuraX | Howe do i install the nvidia drivers for debian etch? |
| 21:54.56 | Arafangio1 | WEll, best solution is probably to purchase an offshore colo elsewhere where the USA can't easily touch, and do not even use a HDD in your local machine - doing all your work via ssh. |
| 21:55.02 | peteweez | pumpkin0: you mean it destroys it |
| 21:55.15 | peteweez | pumpkin0: And it warns that that's dangerous...rotflmao!!! |
| 21:55.45 | peteweez | Arafangio1: colo? What's that? |
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| 21:55.54 | flux | hello :) |
| 21:55.59 | Arafangio1 | Co-Located. |
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| 21:56.15 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: no, it writes a encrypted code to the start of the HD. At the next restart you have to have that code. It you do not have it the HD will not work. |
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| 21:56.23 | abrotman | cast: that's just freaky :) |
| 21:56.40 | Away-trash | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6299 |
| 21:56.47 | abrotman | cast: i'm surprised it doesn't link to any papers by roger |
| 21:56.48 | peteweez | pumpkin0: OK...and then my pw gets subpoened. I owe ~$3500 |
| 21:56.49 | pumpkin0 | cast: it is enabled and used in some thinkpads. |
| 21:56.53 | flux | my computer = 192.168.0.100 ; the printer, behind a switch-router as ip 192.168.0.198 ; i can ping it |
| 21:56.56 | flux | in cups : |
| 21:57.02 | flux | Device URI: ipp://192.168.0.198/ipp/ |
| 21:57.08 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: hdparm -options ... < /dev/urandom |
| 21:57.16 | flux | but it respond : "Network host '192.168.0.198' is busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 21:57.21 | Arafangio1 | Just make sure you apply that encryption from day one. |
| 21:57.28 | L4m3r | AcuraX: /msg dpkg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 21:57.30 | flux | and if i "lp try.txt" ... |
| 21:57.42 | flux | lp: Error - scheduler not responding! |
| 21:57.54 | peteweez | pumpkin0: If they know I've used encryption, I'll just have to give the key |
| 21:57.55 | AcuraX | I just did, but it says it doesn't support etch.. |
| 21:57.56 | flux | does anyone know what i did wrong please ? |
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| 21:58.14 | L4m3r | o_O |
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| 21:58.25 | L4m3r | hm... well, I didn't have issues under etch |
| 21:58.25 | flux | printer = HP photosmart 2575 ; me on debian/sid |
| 21:58.38 | pumpkin0 | peteweez: you don't have the key ... urandom is more or less random ... Or it was a virus: http://www.heise.de/ct/english/05/08/172/ |
| 21:58.44 | L4m3r | you may have to enable nonfree repos though, or sid repos, or something |
| 21:58.44 | AcuraX | How did you doit.. |
| 21:58.48 | cast | night all, it be 0730 :\ |
| 21:58.51 | Ronin | yes mtomczak ? |
| 21:58.59 | AcuraX | it says sid repo's but i have no idea how to use that.. |
| 21:59.04 | L4m3r | but I suppose that once you add sid repos, you're using sid ;) |
| 21:59.13 | AcuraX | yeah.. |
| 21:59.19 | L4m3r | are you using synaptic or adept? |
| 21:59.33 | AcuraX | synaptic |
| 21:59.40 | peteweez | pumpkin0: OK then I destroyed evidence...default judgement...I'm really not trying to be flip, I'm just saying it won't work...thanks for the idea tho |
| 21:59.41 | mtomczak | Ronin: Curious where you were. Was wondering if you were bashing on my home nation as a citizen or non-citizen. |
| 21:59.42 | chrysn | any idea what "ls: relocation error: /lib/libacl.so.1: symbol getxattr, version ATTR_1.0 not defined..." could mean? it breaks several critical tools (parts of `ls`!) and occurred after the last dist-upgrade in sid. |
| 21:59.53 | mtomczak | Not that it really matters; it's equally bashable in either case. ;) |
| 21:59.54 | L4m3r | ok, the option to manage repositories in synaptic should be able to add sid for you |
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| 22:00.04 | AcuraX | Well i kinda can't use it atm |
| 22:00.06 | AcuraX | I have no X |
| 22:00.10 | L4m3r | oh |
| 22:00.12 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:00.22 | Ronin | mtomczak: non, i try not to bash but some of the things done lately just boggle my old mind |
| 22:00.28 | L4m3r | ok then, you'll have to edit /etc/X11/menu.list |
| 22:00.32 | AcuraX | Mind putting your apt config on a site and i could wget it? |
| 22:00.33 | h3sp4wn | chrysn: aptitude install libacl1/testing |
| 22:00.34 | L4m3r | er wait |
| 22:00.41 | L4m3r | that was /etc/apt/menu.list |
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| 22:01.05 | mtomczak | Expressed intelligence is inversely proportional to current fear. Somewhere along the line, Americans have largely forgotten that lesson. |
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| 22:01.26 | chrysn | h3sp4wn: thanks. that precisely does not work, have to fetch the package manually... |
| 22:01.43 | grendal_prime | hey |
| 22:01.45 | grendal_prime | wait a min.. |
| 22:01.51 | CHodapp | People always love to make blanket statements about people in a particular country, like they've actually got some clue. |
| 22:01.59 | cnet2 | hi.., I have a small network of Virtual Servers, And i wanted to do some routing. I have my Debian with 3 network cards (different networks). How can I do routing? iptables will do it? |
| 22:02.04 | grendal_prime | doesnt...etch have true transparent window capabilities? |
| 22:02.07 | Ronin | bit of a blanket statement dont you think CHodapp |
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| 22:02.16 | pumpkin0 | grendal_prime: it has if you enable them. |
| 22:02.17 | CHodapp | Ronin: I didn't specify which people. |
| 22:02.22 | L4m3r | CHodapp: we're all a bunch of fat bastards, get over it. l/k. ;) |
| 22:02.30 | Ronin | L4m3r: hey im not fat |
| 22:02.30 | L4m3r | er, jk |
| 22:02.31 | grendal_prime | cnet2: ya.iptables, and |
| 22:02.35 | chrysn | h3sp4wn: did that; ls -l still not working. anything i have to refresh or reload? |
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| 22:02.50 | grendal_prime | not sure about etch but in sarge you need to enable ip forwarding |
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| 22:03.19 | mtomczak | Aaaand, gonna put my politics back in their box now. Back on topic. |
| 22:03.22 | cnet2 | grendal_prime: and...? |
| 22:03.22 | CHodapp | mtomczak: oh, so you want the TERRISTS to WIN? |
| 22:03.29 | CHodapp | yeah... I went there. |
| 22:03.31 | cnet2 | ok |
| 22:03.34 | cnet2 | ip fowarding |
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| 22:03.35 | cnet2 | easy |
| 22:03.38 | cnet2 | iĺl try it |
| 22:03.54 | Ronin | oops one to many p there |
| 22:04.08 | Trewas | peteweez: btw if one gets "early warning" before having to give the HD to cops/court, is there really anything preventing just shred(1)ing the files? not a lot of evidence left, or even signs of deleting the evidence |
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| 22:04.24 | L4m3r | nobody seems to realize that you can't beat terrorists. it's the most futile thing since the war on drugs. |
| 22:04.39 | peteweez | Trewas: I thought so too...apparently forensics can detect wiping |
| 22:04.40 | h3sp4wn | chrysn: sorry its libattr1/testing |
| 22:04.41 | abrotman | Trewas: doesn't work on a journaling FS .. maybe DBAN ? |
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| 22:04.48 | mtomczak | Ronin: The #d language channel? |
| 22:04.56 | shingouz | just a quick one here: on xorg, how the hell do i get from thai keys to us keys? has to be a shortcut but i have not had luck in finding it on google |
| 22:05.05 | h3sp4wn | chrysn: (presuming you have testing and unstable in sources.list) |
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| 22:05.17 | Ronin | mtomczak: meant #debian-offtopic actually |
| 22:05.26 | chrysn | h3sp4wn: i don't, but i find my way around |
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| 22:05.30 | mtomczak | Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 22:05.32 | L4m3r | you can deal with it, or you can serve their purposes by waging TWAT and scaring everyone and taking freedom away. yay! |
| 22:05.55 | Trewas | peteweez: if they are that keen on getting to your data they'll notice any hidden data anyway... |
| 22:05.59 | CHodapp | so THAT'S why they use "Global War On Terrorism" instead of that acronym. |
| 22:06.09 | chrysn | h3sp4wn: a thousand thank yous -- you saved my night :-D |
| 22:06.11 | Trewas | abrotman: so keep a spare HD and send them that :P |
| 22:06.13 | peteweez | Trewas: That's what I'm afraid of |
| 22:06.13 | chrysn | how did you know? |
| 22:06.26 | peteweez | Trewas: they'd notice that too...these guys are relentless |
| 22:06.39 | mg | I'm trying to satisfy a java dependency for Limewire by using equivs-build. It produced .dsc, .build and .change files in the working directory at /usr/share/doc/java-common. |
| 22:06.41 | abrotman | Trewas: they might know ... they're kind of smarter than you |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | !install java |
| 22:06.48 | dpkg | methinks install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 22:06.53 | Trewas | peteweez: yes! so best just to ignore them and use some common sense |
| 22:06.56 | peteweez | Trewas: yet the RIAA CEO (or something to that effect)'s kids downloaded illegal music and only got told off for tht |
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| 22:06.58 | peteweez | *that |
| 22:06.58 | mg | If I saw a .deb, I'd know what to do next. Can anyone here please advise? |
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| 22:07.02 | craigevil | There are 2 broken packagesi when doing a dist-upgrade in Sid today: libacl1 & libattr1. Dist-Upgrade might hang, or KDE will not start. |
| 22:07.22 | pumpkin0 | !tell mg about install java |
| 22:07.25 | abrotman | bet there are a lot more than two |
| 22:07.28 | Ronin | craigevil: downgrade one of them, but i cant recall which |
| 22:07.30 | abrotman | !tell pumpkin0 about selftell |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | !libattr issue |
| 22:07.36 | abrotman | !libattr1issue |
| 22:07.41 | abrotman | !libattr1 issue |
| 22:07.41 | dpkg | downgrade to 'libattr1_2.4.32-1_i386.deb' on sid. |
| 22:07.51 | craigevil | apt-get install libacl1/testing libattr1/testing works for now |
| 22:08.13 | Ronin | thats the one |
| 22:08.25 | shingouz | heh.. i guess i am asking too difficult questions and i really should go sleep or i will get my head ripped off. something about a wedding tomorrow.... :p |
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| 22:08.45 | mg | abrotman: thanks for that. That ought to keep me busy for a while. |
| 22:09.00 | linux_jones | how do i start the ssh server? |
| 22:09.19 | Ronin | linux_jones: install it, starts automagically |
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| 22:09.27 | teledyn | shingouz: congratulations! |
| 22:09.39 | linux_jones | Ronin, so apt-get sshd? |
| 22:09.40 | shingouz | thanks :$ |
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| 22:12.47 | Toman- | Hi, anyone know if http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390681 has a solution? |
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| 22:13.08 | piper69 | hello all |
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| 22:13.31 | pumpkin0 | Toman-: yes. |
| 22:13.37 | CHodapp | pstickne: art thou a Pitstick? |
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| 22:14.17 | miraterre | can some kind soul tell me how to "modify your distro's initrd/ramfs generation routines or edit your linuxrc (or init) script" |
| 22:14.23 | Toman- | pumpkin0: good to hear. DO you know what it is? :) |
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| 22:14.44 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 22:14.48 | valdyn | Toman-: fix your font lines in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:15.01 | pumpkin0 | Toman-: the update (re)moves some older font-dirs. Fix them. |
| 22:15.04 | miraterre | hi pumpkin0 - thx for your help yesterday |
| 22:15.12 | pumpkin0 | miraterre: np. |
| 22:15.34 | miraterre | can you point me to the linuxrc? |
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| 22:15.48 | Toman- | valdyn: pumpkin0 I'm not sure what the fix would be. |
| 22:16.06 | pumpkin0 | Toman-: a symlink or change the config-file. |
| 22:16.23 | Toman- | right |
| 22:16.26 | rysiek|pl | I'm having wee problem with Debian 3.1r2 - iptables logs dropped packets to the tty's. that's *very* annoying and sometimes actually renders working with tty's on this machine impossible. any ideas how to change that, and yet have iptables still log to syslog? |
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| 22:18.04 | Taa5i | Hello. Has anyone else encountered the bug where if you are using the debian installer boot floppies [31r4 currently, but it's been around a long time], and try to install a 2.6 kernel, afterwards it will try to uninstall the kernel again? |
| 22:18.25 | thelostbutler | hello folks, what would be the best way to change localtime settings from ETC to GMT in an non-interactive way ? |
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| 22:18.38 | MasterYoda | how can I force a debian kernel to boot in non-smp mode |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | don't worry about it .. if there's only one .. it disables the SMP stuff |
| 22:18.53 | valdyn | thelostbutler: non-interactive? |
| 22:18.55 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
| 22:18.59 | Toman- | doesn't nosmp work? |
| 22:19.27 | MasterYoda | Toman-: we will try it, thanks |
| 22:19.51 | Toman- | np |
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| 22:19.51 | MasterYoda | abrotman: we have two cpu's we need non smp |
| 22:19.53 | pumpkin0 | MasterYoda: and you can disable any CPU/core after startup in /sys |
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| 22:20.09 | MasterYoda | pumpkin0: interesting, I didn't know that |
| 22:20.09 | miraterre | can anyone tell me where the linuxrc script is? |
| 22:20.13 | MasterYoda | thanks guys |
| 22:20.19 | abrotman | MasterYoda: you have two ? and don't want SMP ? |
| 22:20.22 | rysiek|pl | anybody any ideas with the iptables loggin to tty's problem? |
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| 22:20.34 | abrotman | isn't that like taking one of the tires off your car ? |
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| 22:20.39 | amphi | rysiek|pl: dmesg -n 1 |
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| 22:20.46 | rysiek|pl | amphi: thx |
| 22:20.52 | thelostbutler | valdyn: well one way seems to be using tzconfig which prompts for answer the other way seems to be to just to change sym links and restart ntpdate daemon, i don't know if it can be done using. dpkg-reconfigure , so looking for a clean way to do it |
| 22:20.55 | amphi | rysiek|pl: or tell iptables not to log |
| 22:21.13 | rysiek|pl | amphi: I want it to log, but not to tty's ;) |
| 22:21.35 | amphi | rysiek|pl: uhuh |
| 22:21.48 | amphi | rysiek|pl: dmesg then |
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| 22:22.05 | rysiek|pl | amphi: yeah, man dmesg told me everything, thanks |
| 22:22.13 | rysiek|pl | amphi: I just needed a starting point |
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| 22:22.53 | Toman- | valdyn, pumpkin0: you wouldn't know which font-dirs these are? |
| 22:23.13 | Toman- | I'm sort of newb when it comes to x-config and fonts |
| 22:23.34 | pumpkin0 | Toman-: the current ones are all under "/usr/share/fonts/X11", the old ones were all over the place ... |
| 22:23.37 | Taa5i | Is it possible to install a 2.6 kernel from the debian installer floppies? Every time I try to in the next step it immediately tries to remove the just-installed kernel again. |
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| 22:23.43 | Toman- | pumpkin0: okay, thanks :) |
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| 22:24.03 | RobNC | can anyone give me a pointer as to info, etc. regarding linux firewalls with etch? |
| 22:24.35 | amphi | man iptables, netfilter.org |
| 22:24.35 | teledyn | RobNC: man iptables |
| 22:24.40 | GreenCult | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.42 | rysiek|pl | RobNC: man iptables |
| 22:24.45 | rysiek|pl | argh |
| 22:24.47 | rysiek|pl | too slow |
| 22:25.03 | RobNC | thanks guys - any GUI version of iptables available? |
| 22:25.16 | rysiek|pl | RobNC: Firestarter |
| 22:25.16 | valdyn | RobNC: to do what? |
| 22:25.19 | teledyn | RobNC: there are gui apps that will create iptables rules |
| 22:25.24 | teledyn | guarddog, etc. |
| 22:25.28 | rysiek|pl | RobNC: or shorewall |
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| 22:25.44 | teledyn | its still good to know basics of iptables |
| 22:25.48 | rysiek|pl | RobNC: although I always prefer the edit yourself way |
| 22:25.50 | valdyn | Toman-: except for truetype fonts which seem to be at /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
| 22:26.15 | teledyn | there are also many good example scripts you can find to download |
| 22:26.24 | miraterre | where can I find info on linuxrc? is this a file somewhere? |
| 22:26.29 | pstickne | CHodapp, what Pit Stick ye speaks of? |
| 22:26.44 | RobNC | teledyn: thanks. I was thinking either iptables or shorewall |
| 22:27.22 | Taa5i | Is it possible to use a more recent kernel than 2.6.8 with Sarge? |
| 22:27.23 | Ronin | RobNC: shorewall is a frontend to iptables |
| 22:27.28 | Toman- | valdyn: yay it worked :) I replaced all X11R6 paths with /usr/share/fonts/X11 |
| 22:27.55 | amphi | Taa5i: there's a backport of 2.6.17 IIRC; or build your own |
| 22:27.59 | RobNC | ronin thanks didn't know that. teledyn I did see that from synaptic. Just kinda information overload :-) |
| 22:28.04 | Toman- | (and I kept the truetype paths as was) |
| 22:28.17 | Taa5i | amphi, what is a backport please? |
| 22:28.33 | Ronin | !tell Taa5i about backports |
| 22:29.13 | Taa5i | Thank you. |
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| 22:29.48 | RobNC | thanks aosl teledyn. |
| 22:29.57 | RobNC | s/aosl/also |
| 22:30.13 | loopdee | how much different is ubuntu and debian ? |
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| 22:30.42 | Ronin | loopdee: have you looked at the respective websites and compared? |
| 22:30.52 | amphi | heh |
| 22:30.59 | Ronin | debian users can spell debian too ;) |
| 22:31.01 | loopdee | im looking, guess i have to try it to see for myself |
| 22:31.13 | teledyn | RobNC: apt-cache search firewall |less |
| 22:31.27 | loopdee | nah, dont want to bother |
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| 22:32.29 | RobNC | teledyn thks did equivalent with synaptic |
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| 22:32.58 | Ronin | loopdee: cant be bothered to read the respective websites and make your own decision? |
| 22:33.09 | LunarCrisis | is there a way to tell sort to sort '-' before letters and numbers rather than after? |
| 22:33.32 | Nibbier | did you try -n |
| 22:33.40 | Nibbier | as numeric would make those negative |
| 22:34.13 | Nibbier | you also could do grep -v ^- | sort; grep ^- |sort |
| 22:34.16 | Nibbier | oh, other way around |
| 22:35.31 | loopdee | Ronin: funny guy, no at this time, sorry to dissappoint you, maybe tomorrow |
| 22:35.32 | NewSense | "vote now. vote for Natalie Mayer-Hutchings as debian representative of the year 2006" |
| 22:35.32 | Ronin | loopdee: ahh so we do your legwork do we? :) |
| 22:35.44 | craigevil | simple *buntu isn't Debian, if you want Debian use Debian |
| 22:35.54 | loopdee | i guess asking opinions is kinda like not really a good thing to do |
| 22:35.57 | barefoot | which driver should I use for a 'ATI Rage 128' video card? |
| 22:36.03 | amphi | !polls |
| 22:36.04 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
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| 22:36.10 | Ronin | loopdee: no, both channels will give you slighty biased opinions |
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| 22:37.06 | loopdee | i'm not going to put anyone down for anything, or their opinion, just thought i might ask... but i think ill stick with debian |
| 22:37.16 | Ronin | good decision |
| 22:37.25 | sam_uk | i am trying to set up XGL on Amd64 machine does anyone know of a good how to and/or repos? |
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| 22:38.39 | usr_rob | How do i change my bash color ? I want all the text green. |
| 22:38.55 | dondelelcaro | usr_rob: you mean in an xterm? |
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| 22:39.23 | usr_rob | dondelelcaro: No, the bash system color |
| 22:40.07 | dondelelcaro | usr_rob: you can set PS1 to do that, but it's generally a bad idea. Use your term to pick the foreground and background colors. |
| 22:40.25 | Ronin | dondelelcaro: why a bad idea? just curious |
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| 22:40.47 | marculix | usr_rob: xterm -bc -bcn 300 -fg green -bg black (in xterm) |
| 22:40.47 | usr_rob | dondelelcaro: If i don't use x window i want bash color green :) |
| 22:41.16 | usr_rob | marculix: Okey, thx! |
| 22:41.22 | usr_rob | dondelelcaro: Okey, thx! |
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| 22:41.35 | dondelelcaro | usr_rob: then you use setterm. |
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| 22:42.22 | Flimzy | Is there any convenient way to use make-kpkg with distcc? |
| 22:42.44 | usr_rob | dondelelcaro: Thx, alot! |
| 22:43.03 | blondie | engrish |
| 22:44.38 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: assuming you can call distcc like it was gcc, then MAKEFLAGS="CC=distcc" will do it |
| 22:45.10 | dondelelcaro | (possibly with HOSTCC=... was well) |
| 22:45.12 | dondelelcaro | s/was/as/ |
| 22:46.08 | anapivirtua | Night. |
| 22:46.39 | LunarCrisis | Nibbier, the - are in the middle of the strings |
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| 22:46.52 | Nibbier | then grep without the ^ |
| 22:46.59 | Nibbier | LunarCrisis, |
| 22:47.08 | NewSense | "vote now. vote for Natalie Mayer-Hutchings as debian representative of the year 2006" - "and dondelelcaro for the boy with the smallest penis within the debian project" |
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| 22:47.38 | Ronin | now thats sad |
| 22:47.46 | ugly | I'm trying to run firefox^Wiceweasel in a 32-bit chroot using schroot, but when I run 'schroot -p iceweasel,' nothing launches - other apps, such as 'irssi' launch in schroot successfully |
| 22:47.49 | Ronin | predictable though |
| 22:48.09 | Flimzy | hrmph |
| 22:48.20 | Flimzy | I don't suppose it's easy to use both ccache and distcc together then, is it? |
| 22:48.27 | LunarCrisis | the reason is that I'm sorting files, and I want related files to be near each other, for example foo.c, foo-serialization.c, foobar.c |
| 22:48.37 | LunarCrisis | sorting filenames that is |
| 22:48.38 | ugly | only "error" that I see is "Using the fallback 'C' locale." |
| 22:48.43 | dondelelcaro | indeed. I accept donations of sildenafil citrate. |
| 22:49.30 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: I don't know; if you can get ccache to call distcc, then it should work. |
| 22:49.36 | LunarCrisis | Nibbier, won't that make all names with - in them sort before all names without? |
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| 22:50.17 | Nibbier | LunarCrisis, thought thats what you wanted |
| 22:50.18 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: setting CCACHE_CC="distcc" probably will do it |
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| 22:51.20 | LunarCrisis | Nibbier, I wanted things to sort regularly, but the char '-' be counted as less-than letters and numbers |
| 22:51.33 | Nibbier | ahhhh ok |
| 22:51.38 | Nibbier | sorry then |
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| 22:51.44 | LunarCrisis | so a-a would come after a, but before aa |
| 22:51.47 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Wow. That starts a nice recursive loop. |
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| 22:53.26 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 22:53.53 | Flimzy | I think I give up on distcc |
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| 22:55.28 | rhawk1 | hello there |
| 22:55.36 | Grund | hello |
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| 22:55.41 | rhawk1 | I'm running Debian Sarge 3.1 |
| 22:56.10 | Nibbier | LunarCrisis, i guess you should write a perl script for that |
| 22:56.14 | rhawk1 | samba 3.0.23d and openldap 2.2.23-8 |
| 22:56.24 | LunarCrisis | yeh, thanks anyways Nibbier |
| 22:57.12 | rhawk1 | I've discovered that restarting ldap service it recovers... |
| 22:57.12 | rhawk1 | I've enabled logging to 256 level and there are some index errors that I can't find information about |
| 22:57.12 | rhawk1 | I receive "<= bdb_equality_candidates: (uniqueMember) index_param failed (18)" |
| 22:57.12 | rhawk1 | "sambaSIDList" and "sambaGroupType" indexes fail too... |
| 22:57.13 | rhawk1 | the last two ones can be fixed adding index in slapd.cond: index sambaGroupType eq and index sambaSIDList eq |
| 22:57.13 | rhawk1 | but i'm not able to get rid of the uniqueMember index error |
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| 22:57.37 | rhawk1 | I've discovered that restarting ldap service it recovers... |
| 22:57.50 | rhawk1 | from a freeze |
| 22:57.59 | rhawk1 | I've enabled logging to 256 level and there are some index errors that I can't find information about |
| 22:58.05 | rhawk1 | I receive "<= bdb_equality_candidates: (uniqueMember) index_param failed (18)" |
| 22:58.12 | rhawk1 | "sambaSIDList" and "sambaGroupType" indexes fail too... |
| 22:58.19 | rhawk1 | the last two ones can be fixed adding index in slapd.cond: index sambaGroupType eq and index sambaSIDList eq |
| 22:58.24 | rhawk1 | but i'm not able to get rid of the uniqueMember index error |
| 22:58.27 | Grund | tell me anybody when Etch-stable will be avaialable ? |
| 22:58.53 | rhawk1 | can anybody tell me how can I install openldap 2.3 version in Debian 3.1? |
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| 23:02.47 | usr_rob | echo -e " \033[40m\033[32m Green \033[0m" shows me green on black, ho do i set it permanently ? |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | !yinzersmite mtomczak |
| 23:03.10 | usr_rob | wan't green on black on my server |
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| 23:06.50 | usr_rob | write that line in .bashrc ? |
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| 23:20.18 | RvGaTe | Within Evolution Mail, i want to add an account for microsoft exchange (2003)... but i cant fill in a server address anywhere... only a username |
| 23:20.47 | craigevil | silly question is is ok to let deborphan remove these packages: http://paste.debian.net/18621 |
| 23:21.47 | jatt | craigevil: usually deborphan is right, if those packages aren't used by software you installed by yourself (not with the package system) it should be ok |
| 23:21.56 | creature | Hello. I'm still having trouble with my wifi connection. wpa_supplicant flip-flops between associated and unassociated. I'd really appreciate some help - details like logs and config are at http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-December/014732.html |
| 23:22.34 | craigevil | i only use apt- to install things no packages from source, so it should be ok ty |
| 23:22.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: :) |
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| 23:23.44 | craigevil | so this would be the correct way to do it: deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge |
| 23:25.02 | jatt | craigevil: yes |
| 23:25.11 | craigevil | ok thanks |
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| 23:27.59 | J-B[away] | anyone a idea about this bug -> http://pastebin.ca/284237 ? |
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| 23:30.32 | jatt | J-B[away]: looks like a packaging bug (wrong dependency), have you checked the bug reports for amavisd-new in the BTS? |
| 23:30.35 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: thats #348439 |
| 23:30.38 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 348439 |
| 23:30.44 | dpkg | DONE:#348439:M[amavisd-new] amavisd-new: wrong libcompress-zlib-perl dependency version; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:18:02 UTC |
| 23:30.50 | jatt | ah, nice |
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| 23:31.13 | J-B[away] | any workaround? |
| 23:31.17 | helo | what do i need to install for printing in gnome to work? cupsys? |
| 23:31.36 | blondie | !cups |
| 23:31.37 | dpkg | well, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 23:31.38 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: it's been fixed, so either install the right version of libcompress-zlib-perl, or upgrade. |
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| 23:32.01 | J-B[away] | ii libcompress-zlib-perl 1.42-2 |
| 23:32.02 | helo | making loads of trouble if i try to use it? is there an alternative to use with gnome? |
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| 23:32.13 | helo | that makes loads of something better? |
| 23:32.30 | J-B[away] | dondelelcaro: i have a newer version or not? |
| 23:33.12 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: that's a newer version of the package, but I don't know what the Compress::Zlib module's version is. |
| 23:33.54 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: if you're still seeing the error, then you probably have an old version in /usr/local/ or similar. |
| 23:34.25 | J-B[away] | i have do a reinstall |
| 23:34.26 | J-B[away] | same error |
| 23:36.00 | jatt | J-B[away]: ? reinstall because that error? |
| 23:36.24 | J-B[away] | reinstall of this package |
| 23:36.30 | jatt | ah reinstall the package, sorry |
| 23:36.51 | J-B[away] | no idea more :( |
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| 23:38.01 | helo | !lart |
| 23:38.02 | amphi | Galga: thanks - why, may I ask? |
| 23:38.17 | Galga | oh sorry, i thought you are someone else |
| 23:38.41 | Galga | :P |
| 23:38.58 | amphi | not at the moment |
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| 23:39.18 | Ronin | multiple personality disorder amphi ? |
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| 23:40.51 | amphi | not really, just my regression externalises from time to time... |
| 23:40.55 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: find $(perl -e 'print join(qq(\n),@INC)') -type f -iname Zlib.pm; may enlighten you. |
| 23:41.16 | amphi | Ronin: anyway, what do you mean, 'disorder'? ;) |
| 23:41.48 | J-B[away] | wait i try to install it via cpan |
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| 23:42.08 | Ronin | heh point taken |
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| 23:43.04 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: the problem is that you have previously installed it via CPAN. |
| 23:43.46 | dondelelcaro | (and that version is being loaded first, because it's in /usr/local/lib/perl/ |
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| 23:44.22 | J-B[away] | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/284252 |
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| 23:46.05 | Epilog | if i have a ssh host that is always changing their key, how can I tell ssh to auto update? |
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| 23:46.59 | J-B[away] | Epilog: delete the known_hosts :) |
| 23:47.29 | Epilog | J-B[away]: yes, I also have other hosts there |
| 23:47.34 | J-B[away] | dondelelcaro: any idea ? |
| 23:48.02 | Epilog | J-B[away]: I tried some ssh_config options but didn't found any to auto update, only to don't complain |
| 23:48.29 | J-B[away] | i dont know, i delete it always |
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| 23:49.09 | creature | Hello. I'm still having trouble with my wifi connection. wpa_supplicant flip-flops between associated and unassociated. I'd really appreciate some help - details like logs and config are at http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-December/014732.html |
| 23:49.18 | linux_jones | what does m-a stand for again? |
| 23:49.18 | prolific- | Anybody use a bluetooth 3.5mm headphone adapter to transmit from an mp3 player to a bluetooth enable car stereo system? |
| 23:51.05 | azeem | prolific-: try to describe your problem, if you have any |
| 23:51.18 | azeem | linux_jones: module-assisstant |
| 23:51.39 | azeem | modulo the typo |
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| 23:53.00 | prolific- | azeem, I have no problem. I'm just wondering whether or not I should get the adapter; wanted some feedback as to the possibility and the quality |
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| 23:54.48 | amphi | prolific-: no, but I know a couple of people that have fm transmitters for the same purpose |
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| 23:55.48 | prolific- | amphi, Yeah. I have a couple of those things, but they work terribly in my area |
| 23:56.20 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: none of those first three Zlibs should be there. Delete them. |
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| 23:56.51 | prolific- | Also, bluetooth has around 25-foot transmission distance |
| 23:57.06 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: and in the future, just install the Debian packages, not the cpan ones. If you have to use cpan, use dh-make-perl --build --install --cpan. |
| 23:57.28 | J-B[away] | dondelelcaro: can you paste me what i must delete? pastebin.ca ? |
| 23:57.54 | DualCortex | can someone please help me with ndiswrapper? ndiswrapper -m gives me the folloing output: "modprobe config already contains alias directive" so as expected after booting my PC my net adapter is not recognized. |
| 23:58.18 | dondelelcaro | J-B[away]: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4844 |
| 23:58.55 | J-B[away] | can delete yes? |
| 23:58.59 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
