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| 00:07.41 | Muisje | lol |
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| 00:07.42 | Shadowcat | ok damnit who broke freenode? |
| 00:08.24 | bc | x.X |
| 00:08.25 | Shadowcat | fix it NOW, or we'll make you use windows! |
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| 00:34.05 | teksimian | yay, i know this, so who coded an app to do this with gtk point and click? |
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| 00:34.22 | geo-rge | that would be the question |
| 00:34.32 | teksimian | yeah, thats what i asked. |
| 00:34.52 | geo-rge | if the answer is nil, prepare to do some coding :) |
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| 00:35.13 | teksimian | while i can take the time to convert mp3s, to waves, to iso, and burn it, theres apps that can do it kthxbye. |
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| 00:37.09 | dererk | lol |
| 00:37.09 | CHodapp | I don't think you use ISOs for audio |
| 00:37.09 | dererk | nice split |
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| 00:37.14 | itchi | teksimian: k3b for example does it |
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| 00:37.15 | geo-rge | an understanding of the process will show you the proper requirements... |
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| 00:37.22 | teksimian | shutup. fucking idiot. i know the process. |
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| 00:37.33 | karsten | teksimian: Mind your manners. |
| 00:37.39 | CHodapp | BS. You don't use ISOs when you burn audio. |
| 00:37.41 | teksimian | so far itchi has come with a decent answer, k3b. |
| 00:37.47 | CHodapp | well, k3b isn't GTK |
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| 00:37.49 | teksimian | thats not the point. |
| 00:37.55 | itchi | teksimian: gnombaker too |
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| 00:38.00 | karsten | teksimian: Yes, that's among the best gui burner tools. |
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| 00:38.05 | teksimian | :) |
| 00:38.08 | karsten | teksimian: Personally I prefer cdrecord. |
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| 00:38.14 | itchi | teksimian: There are many :-) |
| 00:38.14 | Yusuke_Urameshi | Brasero (ex-bonfire) |
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| 00:38.32 | teksimian | karsten, isnt that freebsd proprietary? |
| 00:38.37 | karsten | teksimian: Not AFAIK |
| 00:38.47 | karsten | teksimian: And that's an oxymoron. |
| 00:38.50 | itchi | teksimian: It's gnomebaker, did an typo ^ |
| 00:38.51 | geo-rge | cdrecord has been used for years |
| 00:38.59 | teksimian | hrm. i see. |
| 00:39.12 | karsten | teksimian: There were some issues with licensing, yes, I believe the traditional fork fix has been applied. |
| 00:39.25 | karsten | teksimian: ... eg: a free version was forked. |
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| 00:39.34 | karsten | teksimian: cdutils IIRC. Fuzzy on details. |
| 00:39.36 | itchi | teksimian: arson too |
| 00:39.48 | jelly | karsten: s/licensing/heavy upstream author/ |
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| 00:40.08 | teksimian | how can you have freer licencing than bsd... confused. |
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| 00:40.15 | jelly | !cdrkit |
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| 00:40.21 | jelly | !info cdrkit |
| 00:40.24 | jelly | meh |
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| 00:40.28 | itchi | teksimian: brasero euhm, there are some ones ... :-) |
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| 00:40.34 | karsten | jelly: ? |
| 00:40.36 | dpkg | wodim: (command line CD/DVD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 392 kB, Installed size: 904 kB |
| 00:40.36 | Shadowcat | !tell jelly about msg |
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| 00:40.48 | jelly | Shadowcat: tell me about no dpkg bot, even |
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| 00:41.02 | geo-rge | teksimian: that would be troll bait |
| 00:41.09 | jelly | oh, he's here. |
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| 00:41.12 | karsten | teksimian: Well, not all *BSD tools are BSD/MIT licensed. See eg: qmail and the orginal pf OpenBSD packet filter. Both ended up getting ditched. |
| 00:41.22 | teksimian | hrm, didnt know that. |
| 00:42.06 | teksimian | pf is great tho ;p. |
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| 00:42.11 | beardy | Many say that. How come there isn't pf for linux, or a pf2iptables then? |
| 00:42.17 | karsten | teksimian: It's been fully rewritten from scratch. |
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| 00:42.33 | jelly | beardy: why, should there be? |
| 00:42.43 | beardy | jelly: If it's great, why not? |
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| 00:42.51 | karsten | beardy: pf uses a static file format, which is parsed by the pf tool. iptables uses a command that's re-invoked for each rule to be issued. |
| 00:42.54 | cast | beardy: you can use pf in debian if you switch kernels ;) |
| 00:42.58 | jelly | beardy: noone has written it? |
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| 00:43.13 | teksimian | i gues i end up doing cdrecord *.wav. great. |
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| 00:43.38 | karsten | beardy: In theory, the Linux version gives you more flexibility. In practice, it's so obscure practically nobody understands it at all, and most "firewall" tools are wrappers to make it more pf-like, in practice if not in actual explcit goal. |
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| 00:43.55 | geo-rge | teksimian: try the other suggestions afterward... in so doing, you separate your immediate need from your desire to have some fancy gui thing |
| 00:44.16 | teksimian | lol, youre not getting the point. its usability. |
| 00:44.16 | beardy | karsten: Yeah. Thanks. |
| 00:44.24 | beardy | !lol |
| 00:44.24 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:44.31 | geo-rge | so you' |
| 00:44.39 | centrx | rofl |
| 00:44.40 | itchi | teksimian: What you some one's in cli ? |
| 00:44.43 | geo-rge | re saying you can't use unix? |
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| 00:45.02 | teksimian | thanks, i can use cli, its gui usability vs cli. |
| 00:45.02 | geo-rge | ok... whatever... each person grows the way they want to (usually) |
| 00:45.03 | itchi | oeps s/What/Want/ |
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| 00:45.17 | geo-rge | you're looking to release a product? |
| 00:45.30 | cast | if you want a config file like pfs then use firehol or shorewall, sure no ones written pf2iptables but why should they when equivilent tools, only with slightly different syntax, already exist |
| 00:45.41 | teksimian | i can use cli, i get it i know how. i dont need to grow to use cli. after i understand it, theres convenient ways of doing things. |
| 00:45.44 | sng | karsten: As illustrated very nicely by this slide. http://www.openbsd.org/papers/auug2006/pf_evolution/mgp00017.html |
| 00:45.44 | teksimian | you guys are great. |
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| 00:46.02 | beardy | I do, already use firehol. |
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| 00:46.06 | CrazednDazed | how can I tell ftp (the command line client) to get all the files ina directory? Or can I....? Or is there antoher better client? |
| 00:46.18 | cast | CrazednDazed: get -r in ncftp works for me |
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| 00:46.33 | cast | -R, i mean |
| 00:46.34 | beardy | It's not like pf, what little I've seen of it though. But I find firehol nice yes. |
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| 00:46.39 | geo-rge | CrazednDazed: (1) there are lots of clients... (2) ftp itself is not the best protocol |
| 00:46.41 | jelly | CrazednDazed: lftp is nice, use mget * in it. |
| 00:46.51 | beardy | Many people say that "pf is so good" though. |
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| 00:47.06 | bobesponja | hey all |
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| 00:47.18 | geo-rge | beardy: said people may or may not believe the same about iptables |
| 00:47.28 | beardy | cast: Yeah well, writing yet another of everything never stops anyone in every other context. |
| 00:47.46 | geo-rge | if they don't, they might not be motivated to write a conversion util |
| 00:47.59 | beardy | geo-rge: Obviously they don't like iptables. |
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| 00:48.06 | cast | beardy: well get to ;) i don't mind knowing two different syntaxes personally |
| 00:48.24 | bobesponja | my swap is always at 0 Used, is there something wrong with my swap? |
| 00:48.33 | cast | bobesponja: yeah, its not needed? |
| 00:48.41 | geo-rge | bobesponja: no. there's something right with your ram. |
| 00:48.59 | beardy | cast: Standards is not something you like? |
| 00:49.02 | karsten | bobesponja: 'vmstat 4' |
| 00:49.08 | karsten | bobesponja: Try running that for a while. |
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| 00:49.57 | beardy | s/standards/good, open, and reasonable standards/ |
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| 00:50.00 | freeone3000 | Should/can I use the java-package trick for Java 1.6? |
| 00:50.00 | bobesponja | karsten: still 0 |
| 00:50.03 | eduhat | how can i get OpenSSL headers on my system? i have OpenSSL installed. im just trying to install nessus client and it stops saying that i dont have them |
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| 00:50.33 | bobesponja | it's just that I get a panic every once in a while and I don't know why cause there's nothing in the log :/ |
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| 00:51.12 | freeone3000 | eduhat: Search for 'openssl dev'. |
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| 00:52.02 | eduhat | freeone3000: locate openssl dev? |
| 00:52.06 | dezent | libopenssl-dev ? |
| 00:52.08 | cast | beardy: i don't see much worth in standardising firewall config files for different operating systems. considering how hugely different they are, having identical packet filter syntax seems a inconsequencial thing |
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| 00:52.14 | sng | beardy: Do you also think that all apps should be written with the same language? Also keep in mind that the differences between iptables and pf goes *far* beyond syntax. Go read that presentation I dropped a link for in order to learn more. |
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| 00:52.32 | freeone3000 | eduhat: No, apt-cache search openssl dev |
| 00:52.53 | geo-rge | sng: so the two are not compatible with each other? |
| 00:52.56 | beardy | sng: No, it was just a comment on the "I like too use two different syntaxes" (just for the sake of it?). |
| 00:53.02 | sng | geo-rge: Of course not. |
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| 00:53.23 | cast | beardy: well done with the quote accuracy ;) |
| 00:53.33 | sng | beardy: Becuase one is a reasonable configuration sysntax and the other is a tool meant to plunge all of humanity into madness and a 5000 year long dark age. |
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| 00:53.50 | beardy | I didn't put a name in front of it. |
| 00:53.56 | eduhat | freeone3000: thank you |
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| 00:54.04 | mith | sng: i don't know, both pf and iptables have pretty shitty syntax when it comes right down to it |
| 00:54.05 | faust_ | Isn't apt-get and apt-cache deprecated in the next release anyway? |
| 00:54.18 | beardy | sng: I guess we don't want to stop that from happening no.. |
| 00:54.22 | sng | mith: You're wrong. Simple as that. |
| 00:54.23 | mith | faust_: what |
| 00:54.30 | mith | sng: how is that? |
| 00:54.32 | geo-rge | sng: so there is no conversion possible that would take any possible group of pf lines and turn them into iptables lines? |
| 00:54.39 | cast | faust_: since sarge aptitude has been prefered over apt-get |
| 00:54.43 | jelly | faust_: hm, how do I do "apt-cache policy foo" then? |
| 00:54.51 | clearscreen | apt-get > all |
| 00:54.51 | faust_ | mith, I read the preliminary release notes for Etch a while back. |
| 00:54.58 | faust_ | apt-get and apt-cache is being replaced by aptitude |
| 00:55.12 | mith | can aptitude be used like apt-get/apt-cache? |
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| 00:55.15 | mith | because I hate that curses shit |
| 00:55.16 | dondelelcaro | muh2000: yes. |
| 00:55.18 | faust_ | contains the same commands, yes. |
| 00:55.19 | cast | mith: yes. |
| 00:55.20 | sng | geo-rge: mith Go look at that and see for yourself. http://www.openbsd.org/papers/auug2006/pf_evolution/mgp00017.html |
| 00:55.22 | dondelelcaro | s/muh200/mith/ |
| 00:55.27 | mith | cast: how? |
| 00:55.29 | cast | mith: aptitude search pkg, aptitude install pkg, |
| 00:55.39 | mith | ah, then I don't really care |
| 00:56.00 | eduhat | freeone3000: what about libz? |
| 00:56.06 | beardy | mith: Then don't use it if you think it's shit. FYI it has the same uninteractive functions of apt-get. |
| 00:56.09 | faust_ | saves me a lot of grumbling every time I go apt-get search :) |
| 00:56.13 | geo-rge | sng: I don't actually have any interest other than to determine compatibility |
| 00:56.15 | itchi | mith: Look on the debian's wiki |
| 00:56.16 | mith | beardy: you read gud |
| 00:56.32 | beardy | mith: You spell bad. |
| 00:56.43 | jelly | mith: aptitude has the most common command line stuff, but not all. No direct equivalent for "apt-get build-dep foo", "apt-cache policy foo" afaik. |
| 00:56.44 | faust_ | pot, kettle, do the math. |
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| 00:57.04 | craigevil | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 00:57.17 | mith | jelly: no build-dep? is there a replacement planned before the release? |
| 00:57.19 | geo-rge | sng: also, you can't be "simply wrong" for something that is subjective and dependent on opinion |
| 00:57.22 | faust_ | Still helluva lot better than yum or yast. |
| 00:57.24 | dondelelcaro | mith: no |
| 00:57.25 | cast | craigevil: till you add a few -v's |
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| 00:57.39 | dondelelcaro | mith: apt-get will still be around after the release, but for installing packages, you should be using aptitude in general. |
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| 00:57.59 | eduhat | what package is libz? nessus says i need it |
| 00:58.05 | karsten | bobesponja: Questions are: how much RAM do you have, how much memory are you demanding, do you have swap configured (and activated), and what's vmstat tell you about general system memory utilization. You're in a much better position to sort this than I am. |
| 00:58.13 | dondelelcaro | (and in reality, if you care about builddeps, you should be using pbuilder, not apt-get build-dep) |
| 00:58.14 | beardy | craigevil: If you have the powers, it does. |
| 00:58.15 | CrazednDazed | How can I set passive mode with ncftp? |
| 00:58.16 | geo-rge | beardy: so do you, if you're telling him he needs a shower :) |
| 00:58.20 | karsten | eduhat: Basic compression lbirary. |
| 00:58.24 | karsten | !tell eduhat about search |
| 00:58.32 | geo-rge | or maybe your typing has a cold :) |
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| 00:58.42 | beardy | geo-rge: I didn't. |
| 00:58.45 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: you probably can also just use the Debian nessus packages. |
| 00:58.53 | craigevil | aptitude is evil, the last big kde update it wanted to remove most of my system, apt was smart enough to hold the pakcgaes back |
| 00:59.00 | jelly | dondelelcaro: I don't really want a separate chroot for each backport... |
| 00:59.10 | dondelelcaro | jelly: eh? |
| 00:59.19 | beardy | craigevil: Yeah well, have the thought ever occured to you that it is KDE that is evil? |
| 00:59.25 | craigevil | nope |
| 00:59.25 | jelly | dondelelcaro: pbuilder's description says it builds a chroot |
| 00:59.46 | dondelelcaro | jelly: it builds in a chroot; it doesn't need a new one each time. |
| 00:59.49 | beardy | craigevil: If you had used aptitude only, and not mixed apt-get and aptitude, it wouldn't had. |
| 00:59.56 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? i did download the .deb on the nessus website. i was also told that i should get nessus off the website anyways |
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| 01:00.12 | mith | beardy: that doesn't make sense, they use the same database? |
| 01:00.13 | sng | geo-rge: I'm an arrogant elitist asshole. And fucking proud of it. So yeah when somebody has an opinion that is laughable they can be simply wrong. :D |
| 01:00.18 | beardy | mith: No. |
| 01:00.19 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: I mean that you should just aptitude install nessus |
| 01:00.38 | dondelelcaro | craigevil: and let me guess, you were using aptitude dist-upgrade; instead of aptitude upgrade;? |
| 01:00.40 | sng | Also. "snob". |
| 01:00.42 | geo-rge | sng: then it is you who are simply and continuously wrong |
| 01:00.48 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: oh. well i was told that i should get it off the website. that way i could get a key and all that |
| 01:00.50 | beardy | mith: aptitude uses it's own too. |
| 01:01.03 | dondelelcaro | (and even when aptitude gets it wrong, you can easily correct it using the curses interface) |
| 01:01.18 | craigevil | aptitude dist-upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade, |
| 01:01.18 | beardy | But that's crap, so we can't use that. |
| 01:01.18 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: nessus is already installed and all that. its just that i need the nessus client |
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| 01:01.54 | cast | mith: aptitude understands what was installed automatically and what was wasn't, if A was installed because B depended on it, removing B will remove A in aptitude. not so in apt-get |
| 01:01.54 | faust_ | What I like about aptitude vs. apt-get is that when you ditch a large package like KDE, it checks if any of the packages that came with kde are still required by non-kde packages, and then ditches everything that's not required. |
| 01:01.55 | faust_ | Back in the day, had you installed gnome or KDE, getting rid of it was painful. |
| 01:01.55 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: that's the nessus package; the server is in nessusd |
| 01:02.02 | freeone3000 | Should/can I use the java-package trick for Java 1.6? |
| 01:02.07 | mith | cast: well, you'll probably yell at me, but it sounds like aptitude is broken in that respect then, honestly |
| 01:02.10 | cast | mith: now if you mix apt-get and aptitude, aptitude can't tell what was installed as a result of what |
| 01:02.13 | krazykit | aren't they integrating that feature into apt-get, though? |
| 01:02.21 | geo-rge | freeone3000: what debian are you using |
| 01:02.33 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: so if i apt-get install nessus. what would it download and install? |
| 01:02.42 | beardy | jelly: People hating without a reason, or because of how something looks is often.. less unstupid. |
| 01:02.44 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: the nessus client and everything that it depends upon |
| 01:02.45 | jelly | mith: aptitude's broken in serveral respects, but it still usually does a better job than apt-get. :-| |
| 01:03.06 | geo-rge | krazykit: why should they? apt-get was originally intended as a test of the apt libs |
| 01:03.07 | beardy | Lets hate it anyway. |
| 01:03.13 | cast | mith: nah, the people who keep using apt-get are the broken ones ;) |
| 01:03.13 | dondelelcaro | jelly: until you've been involved in resolving extreemly complex dependencies you may think that... but then once you learn the interface, you'll almost definetly not go back |
| 01:03.15 | mith | jelly: I've never had an issue with apt-* (well, some issues with apt-file, but whatever) not related to broken sources |
| 01:03.16 | freeone3000 | geo-rge: Unstable. |
| 01:03.24 | faust_ | Helps ditch unneccessary packages from the system. |
| 01:03.32 | jelly | beardy: eh, it's not based on the looks. ;-) |
| 01:03.37 | dondelelcaro | mith: then continue using apt-get. We're not going to stop you. |
| 01:03.40 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: when i do it. it says that nessus is allready the newest version |
| 01:03.47 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: then you've got the nessus client already |
| 01:03.50 | faust_ | If I had used apt, I would currently have about 520 megs of unwanted packages to be removed manually. |
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| 01:03.55 | mith | dondelelcaro: i was commenting on his "apt-get is more broken" comment |
| 01:03.57 | geo-rge | freeone3000: look in non-free (use your ability to search) |
| 01:04.03 | faust_ | consistent use of aptitude saves me from having to do that. |
| 01:04.08 | dondelelcaro | mith: well, it is in many aspects, actually. |
| 01:04.13 | beardy | jelly: Can't be the functionality, because that is good. And, I also like the looks. |
| 01:04.15 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: how do i start it? |
| 01:04.36 | dondelelcaro | mith: apt-get is merely a fronted used to demonstrate the power of libapt. That it has worked for so long is merely a testament to the library. |
| 01:04.36 | jelly | dondelelcaro: still, I prefer forcing bits and pieces (when it comes to that) on the command line. |
| 01:04.39 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: dpkg -L nessus; will tell you the name of the binary |
| 01:04.50 | CrazednDazed | how do you choose to get all the files in a directory? |
| 01:05.04 | beardy | CrazednDazed: ./* |
| 01:05.04 | mith | faust_: having used debian since slink I have a habit of installing things by installing whatever I know will pull in the most deps that I need at once, so removing those deps automagically is actually harmful since I might have something built against libs that were in those dependencies, for instance |
| 01:05.10 | dondelelcaro | jelly: yes, but if it's complex, you'll spend an hour figuring out the precise set of versions which has to be installed to unwedge it. The exact same situtation will take me minutes to resolve. |
| 01:05.32 | CrazednDazed | beardy: When I'm in the directory I type: get * << right? Doesn't do it, for me |
| 01:05.34 | dondelelcaro | jelly: the more complex the set of versions, the longer it will take you |
| 01:05.40 | jelly | dondelelcaro: Ugh, that's why I don't use sid. ;-) |
| 01:05.40 | zood_ | When I plug my Powershot A75 camera in via usb and `dmesg | tail` all I see is http://paste.debian.net/18877: . What do I need to do to mount this thing and get the photos off? |
| 01:05.45 | dondelelcaro | jelly: has nothing to do with sid... |
| 01:05.45 | geo-rge | mith: look into the equivs packager |
| 01:05.48 | geo-rge | -r |
| 01:05.51 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: it says that in order for me to have gui support i need NessusClient |
| 01:05.56 | beardy | CrazednDazed: You seem to use a specific ftp client? Ask the question better then. |
| 01:06.15 | CrazednDazed | beardy: Sorry, using lftp |
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| 01:06.23 | Alakazamz0r | i am g0dz0rl33t |
| 01:06.25 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: nessus (at least in unstable) contains that client. |
| 01:06.34 | CrazednDazed | or ftp |
| 01:06.36 | beardy | CrazednDazed: Try *.*, IIRC lftp is special. |
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| 01:06.42 | mith | geo-rge: heh, I use equivs,but not everything I'm talking about is system-wide |
| 01:06.59 | dondelelcaro | CrazednDazed: it's mget; mirror may also be what you're looking for. |
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| 01:07.03 | CrazednDazed | beardy: Failed to open file |
| 01:07.04 | geo-rge | mith: then build/install requirements likewise |
| 01:07.07 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: well it's not on my system |
| 01:07.32 | beardy | CrazednDazed: Either reading the lftp docs, or trying what dondelelcaro said. |
| 01:07.34 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: just run /usr/bin/nessus |
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| 01:07.55 | beardy | CrazednDazed: ?* then? |
| 01:07.56 | jelly | dondelelcaro: well, in 8 years of using Debian, I've never spent an entire hour only resolving dependencies... when stuff got broken iterative upgrade/remove/upgrade/reinstall mostly worked |
| 01:08.00 | eduhat | dondelelcaro: no such file or dir |
| 01:08.05 | CrazednDazed | dondelelcaro: Thanks mget * worked great |
| 01:08.10 | dondelelcaro | eduhat: then you don't have the Debian nessus package installed |
| 01:08.12 | unlink | how do i make sudo not ask me for a password? |
| 01:08.15 | faust_ | mith: That's why aptitude checks if the libs are needed by other packages before removing them. |
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| 01:08.18 | CrazednDazed | beardy: Thanks as well, mget * works with lftp. |
| 01:08.20 | mith | jelly: it gets fun when perl is what brokes |
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| 01:08.21 | dondelelcaro | unlink: use NOPASSWD: in your sudoers file. |
| 01:08.23 | geo-rge | mith: or whatever... I'm just suggesting to you, that there are available methods that would help to keep your stuff running |
| 01:08.29 | dondelelcaro | unlink: man sudoers; for more detail. |
| 01:08.30 | beardy | CrazednDazed: Ah. Good. |
| 01:08.31 | mith | faust_: I'm saying they may be needed by non-packages |
| 01:08.32 | unlink | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
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| 01:08.44 | mith | faust_: so uninstalling them because aptitude 'thinks' it should is annoying to me |
| 01:08.45 | unlink | dondelelcaro: i knew there was another man page i wasn't looking at... |
| 01:08.59 | geo-rge | mith: so build the requirements as non-packages as well |
| 01:09.05 | faust_ | mith: You're thinking about when you build from source? |
| 01:09.12 | dondelelcaro | unlink: yeah; you want to look at either apropos; or the "SEE ALSO" section of the manpage; that'll help you find it in the future. |
| 01:09.24 | faust_ | Then you should have built a package instead of directly installing, and then installed the package with aptitude :) |
| 01:09.44 | faust_ | It's a cleaner approach anyway, since you don't need to keep the source around for an eventual uninstall. |
| 01:09.54 | geo-rge | when he (a) builds from source, (b) uses a lib that could be removed by something like deborphan and (c) installs into somewhere like his home dir |
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| 01:10.15 | mith | geo-rge: at least someone is paying attention instead of just raging against me :P |
| 01:10.16 | dondelelcaro | mith: then you can just aptitude unmarkauto foopackage; which will mark the package as manually installed instead of automatically installed. |
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| 01:10.40 | mith | dondelelcaro: oh cool, see, that's helpful instead of 3 people yelling at me not to install stuff into ~/ :P |
| 01:10.54 | geo-rge | faust_: with aptitude? no, if you build a package, supposedly you have it local, apt* doesn't handle local .debs, dpkg does |
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| 01:11.25 | riot | hello |
| 01:11.29 | mith | apt can handle local .deb with a file:// source |
| 01:11.34 | jelly | geo-rge: local repository ftw |
| 01:11.35 | dondelelcaro | mith: so can aptitude |
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| 01:11.40 | vyrus | problem... im installing a new system and when i type in console my kebord repeats SUPER fast... i.e. a = aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:11.46 | mith | dondelelcaro: i know |
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| 01:11.53 | geo-rge | jelly: but why do you need a local repos for one package? |
| 01:12.06 | faust_ | geo-rge: In case you need to reinstall. |
| 01:12.08 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: you don't, but if you've got a bunch, it starts to make sense. |
| 01:12.10 | mith | you don't for one, anything over one and it might be worth it |
| 01:12.12 | riot | vyrus: try changing the repeat-rates in your bios |
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| 01:12.18 | faust_ | I have a repo with every package I built on the fileserver in the basement. |
| 01:12.21 | faust_ | so there |
| 01:12.31 | vyrus | riot o.0? i didnt know there was an option for that in bios |
| 01:12.32 | geo-rge | then you reinstall from the dir where you stored the deb |
| 01:12.38 | faust_ | 's not a lot of recompiling going on if I need to install on another machine for instance. |
| 01:12.54 | geo-rge | (not the only way) |
| 01:13.00 | itchi | geo-rge: Maybe look to apt-proxy |
| 01:13.01 | riot | whats the best way to have many applications output sound on one sound-card? ie what sound daemon would you suggest? |
| 01:13.13 | dvs | riot: alsa |
| 01:13.16 | Ankman | riot: alsa |
| 01:13.19 | faust_ | riot: alsa has never given me any worries. |
| 01:13.20 | Ankman | haha |
| 01:13.20 | dvs | I don't believe in sound servers |
| 01:13.26 | geo-rge | itchi: assuming the many-packages case.... ok :) |
| 01:13.32 | Ankman | had esd, sucks balls |
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| 01:13.41 | geo-rge | you believe in unsound servers??! |
| 01:13.42 | riot | oi, i'm running alsa. But i already need jackd for some apps. Very complicated, imho |
| 01:14.02 | mith | riot: the 'best' is windows or os x |
| 01:14.03 | mith | heh |
| 01:14.08 | Ankman | oO |
| 01:14.13 | dvs | !lart mith |
| 01:14.19 | jelly | dvs: how do you handle changing volume from a random app (which doesn't have its own volume control)? |
| 01:14.28 | geo-rge | windows and best have nothing to do with each other |
| 01:14.30 | mith | riot: just try arts/esd and see which works better for you or if either work better than alsa by itself |
| 01:14.41 | riot | mith: ok, for some particular pretty good apps, i agree. But somehow, linux does ALL i need, just sometimes somewhat complicated. |
| 01:14.49 | dvs | jelly: I never had to bother. The volume is usually right. |
| 01:14.57 | mith | riot: I'm just refferring to sound in particular |
| 01:15.12 | centrx | !lart ChanServ |
| 01:15.14 | geo-rge | I'd like to see jack as common audio pipeline for all apps in debian |
| 01:15.27 | riot | mith: me, too :) I'm missing Ableton Live, for example. |
| 01:15.39 | mith | ya well I'd like to see all gui applications completely removed from debian |
| 01:15.42 | mith | and neither is going to happn |
| 01:15.43 | geo-rge | what;s abelton |
| 01:15.50 | vyrus | riot u knowwhat, that did it.. thanx a lot :D |
| 01:16.00 | riot | vyrus: np :) |
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| 01:16.45 | mith | riot: I've been playing with lilypond today (speaking of ableton/finale/sibelius/etc) interesting little app |
| 01:16.49 | riot | geo-rge: VERY nice audio-software. To produce, livemix, record, edit.. developed largely by monolake. _very_ nice software, imho. |
| 01:16.50 | dvs | azeem: it's two in the morning! |
| 01:17.08 | riot | mith: ah, had that installed some years ago. Maybe i should try it again. |
| 01:17.26 | mith | riot: it's a pain in the ass, but the *concep* is nice, heh |
| 01:17.29 | mith | concept |
| 01:17.36 | geo-rge | mith: however under linux you yourself can choose to not install x |
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| 01:17.47 | Ankman | fucking opera eats up 51% of my memory |
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| 01:17.55 | Guerin | a pox on flakey hardware! |
| 01:17.57 | Ankman | alsways thought firefox is the memory leaker here |
| 01:17.59 | jelly | Ankman: how many tabs? |
| 01:18.05 | Ankman | 4 |
| 01:18.06 | riot | mith: problem is: most of the goodness of a audio-app is GUI and good hardware-support |
| 01:18.12 | mith | geo-rge: doesn't stop a bunch of random shit being linked against xlib that don't need to be :) |
| 01:18.32 | mith | (I'm looking at you mr mtr package maintainer, what the christ) |
| 01:18.44 | zood_ | I can mount usb thumbdrives no problem but I'm unable to make any progress mounting my Canon Powershot A75 camera. What things should I be trying to get this mounted? |
| 01:18.45 | geo-rge | how do you know it doesn't need to be? |
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| 01:18.52 | riot | Ankman: wow. Impressive. I have mozilla doing that very often, but its got bazillions of open tabs then.. |
| 01:18.59 | mith | geo-rge: because I've installed it on other systems from source? |
| 01:19.03 | jelly | mith: sent any patches to them lately? |
| 01:19.18 | efaistos | I dont know why spamassassin is still considering some emails as spam ... I put some addresses in my white list but they're still moved to my "spam" diretory |
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| 01:19.28 | jelly | Ankman: my 50-tabs Opera doesn't leak memory that much, but it leaks file descriptors. :-| |
| 01:19.30 | krazykit | zood_: are you sure the powershot does MSC (like a flash drive) mode? i know my powershot a400 only does PTP |
| 01:19.30 | geo-rge | mith: for each, why is there the possibility of linking against the x libs? |
| 01:19.30 | efaistos | does someone have an idea ? |
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| 01:19.42 | geo-rge | I have an idea! |
| 01:19.46 | mith | jelly: I somehow doubt he'd accept a package that removed the gtk support in the app (even though it's primarily commandline, it does have a gtk interface which can optionally be built) |
| 01:19.48 | Ankman | well i visit spammer pages to see if i find something i can bomb them with. those pages are loaded with flash and graphics, so... |
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| 01:19.53 | mith | err accept a patch, that is |
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| 01:20.00 | jelly | mith: split it? |
| 01:20.02 | riot | geo-rge: nice :) |
| 01:20.15 | mith | it was just an example. |
| 01:20.29 | jelly | mith: there's mtr-tiny |
| 01:20.41 | mith | oh, apparently a bady example even, then |
| 01:20.47 | mith | s/bady/bad/ |
| 01:20.52 | jelly | mith: you lose :-) |
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| 01:21.13 | mith | I'd have to dig through the packages I have installed to find the 5 or 6 I've run across that need X that shouldn't |
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| 01:21.39 | jelly | mith: so do unto them what mtr maint. has done with mtr and mtr-tiny... |
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| 01:22.36 | mith | jelly: only if I get to kill the guy that added that patch to sudo to strip ENV variables in debian when the functionality already existed in sudo and could have been turned on sudoers by default. :P |
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| 01:23.08 | jelly | mith: bts is that way --> |
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| 01:23.40 | azeem | mith: I think it was an upstream change |
| 01:23.43 | mith | jelly: it was reported (i think I added a comment to the report, in fact), iirc it was ignored |
| 01:23.51 | mith | azeem: no, it wasn't |
| 01:24.05 | mith | azeem: apt-get source sudo will give you the patch in question as a seperate file meaning it's not upstream |
| 01:24.29 | azeem | well, I trust the sudo maintainer to do the right thing |
| 01:24.37 | mith | I did until that |
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| 01:25.29 | jelly | mith: eh, my pet peeve is not having glibc documentation in Debian. there's also the missing dependency on cdrdao in k3b (like, you didn't install k3b to burn cds, right?) |
| 01:26.01 | azeem | mith: if you continue talking about killing random (or not so random) people, I get the feeling you're in the wrong channel |
| 01:26.04 | jelly | mith: but thankfully most maintainers do their work |
| 01:26.09 | karsten | mith: Um. glibc-doc? |
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| 01:26.24 | azeem | karsten: jelly complained |
| 01:26.26 | jelly | karsten: is not in the distro. |
| 01:27.19 | mike | c'mon etch/4.0,,(*_*) |
| 01:27.39 | dvs | mike: yeah, right |
| 01:27.54 | dooglus | I'm running a new unstable install. clicking the iceweasel icon doesn't do anything, and I don't see any *ice* or *fire* processes running. what gives? |
| 01:28.04 | geo-rge | karsten: which is what, non-free these days? |
| 01:28.12 | Cyis | 'cmon etch+1 with gnome-volume-manager supporting gnome-mount instead of pmount |
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| 01:28.27 | karsten | jelly: gcc-4.1-doc ... |
| 01:28.30 | Ankman | what happens if you type "ice" and then TAB TAB? |
| 01:28.43 | Ankman | or "fire" and TAB TAB (without quotes) |
| 01:28.46 | karsten | jelly: Yes, non-free. Probably GFDL issues. |
| 01:28.53 | dooglus | Ankman: a small line appears saying "iceauth icedax iceweasel" |
| 01:29.05 | Ankman | icewease is firefox |
| 01:29.09 | Ankman | after rebranding |
| 01:29.22 | dooglus | Ankman: if I type fire<TAB>, it completes to 'firefox'. if I hit return, I get a prompt back instantly, but nothing else |
| 01:29.22 | karsten | jelly: ... and gcc-doc in devel, priority optional. |
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| 01:29.55 | Ankman | yes, rebranding |
| 01:29.56 | karsten | jelly: gcc-2*-doc and gcc-3*-doc as well. What am I missing? |
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| 01:30.03 | Ankman | it's called iceweasel now |
| 01:30.05 | dooglus | Ankman: if I run "bash -x firefox" then the last line I see is "+ exec /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin", which looks good |
| 01:30.12 | vyrus | when i run startx i get a "backtrace" message that lists 12 steps, then a msg that sais "caught signal 11. Server aborting". but there is no other error mesage, whats broken? |
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| 01:30.32 | Guerin | vyrus: /msg dpkg sig11 |
| 01:30.35 | Ankman | dooglus: just try to launch iceweasel |
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| 01:30.47 | dooglus | Ankman: I did. the same (ie. nothing much) happens |
| 01:30.51 | Ankman | oh |
| 01:31.04 | dooglus | Ankman: in fact, /usr/bin/firefox -> ../lib/iceweasel/iceweasel |
| 01:31.09 | Ankman | sure all firefoxes are terminated? |
| 01:31.14 | vyrus | Guerin ... i cant, there is no gui on the system, i cant copy or paste |
| 01:31.24 | dooglus | Ankman: I have no *ice* or *fire* processes running at all |
| 01:31.34 | Guerin | vyrus: how does that prevent you from doing anything? |
| 01:31.42 | Ankman | or moz*? |
| 01:31.45 | dooglus | Ankman: I guess I'll try rebooting... |
| 01:31.54 | Ankman | nah, that's not windows here |
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| 01:31.57 | vyrus | Guerin well i can type the whole msg if u want :D |
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| 01:32.21 | dooglus | Ankman: ps -ef | grep -Ei '(moz|fire|ice)' shows nothing but the grep itself |
| 01:32.27 | Ankman | ok |
| 01:32.31 | Guerin | vyrus: i just told you to ask dpkg about sig11 so you know what it is and what causes it |
| 01:32.38 | Ankman | hmm.... |
| 01:32.43 | dooglus | strange, isn't it... |
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| 01:32.50 | Ankman | yes |
| 01:32.51 | refa33s | anyone know anything about the slow firefox scroll problem when using compiz |
| 01:33.00 | vyrus | Guerin ahh |
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| 01:33.10 | dooglus | it could well be that I've missed installing some crucial package - I installed this unstable using debootstrap in ubuntu |
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| 01:33.37 | dooglus | I used 'tasksel' to install the desktop/workstation task, but it missed some things - like vim, less, cvs, kbd, etc. |
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| 01:34.27 | geo-rge | refa33s: /msg dpkg bts |
| 01:34.52 | refa33s | i checked bts :( thanks |
| 01:35.08 | dooglus | Ankman: could this be a clue? "/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" - when I try running /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin |
| 01:35.26 | geo-rge | then you should have said so, and referenced relevent reports |
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| 01:36.37 | dooglus | I noticed firefox was very slow scrolling yesterday (in ubuntu) when I wasn't using the monitor's native resolution. I switched to the native (much higher) resolution, and the scroll sped up enormously |
| 01:37.04 | Ankman | oh |
| 01:37.17 | Ankman | yes |
| 01:37.28 | mike | iceweasel has been great,"sid" |
| 01:37.47 | mike | mplayer plugin included |
| 01:37.52 | Guerin | yeh, the weasel is giving me no grief |
| 01:38.00 | Guerin | the mplayer plugin is a bit shit |
| 01:38.05 | dooglus | Guerin: it is |
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| 01:38.16 | Ankman | do you have a libmozjs.so? |
| 01:38.19 | gravity | word to the weasel |
| 01:38.22 | Ankman | may be it cannot find it |
| 01:38.24 | Guerin | but then, it's retarded to want to view media in a browser |
| 01:38.35 | dooglus | Ankman: I do. the 'iceweasel' script sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH to include the directory it's in. |
| 01:38.43 | Ankman | hmm |
| 01:38.54 | dooglus | Ankman: so that last error was a red herring. if I set the LD_LIB_PATH appropriately, the error goes away |
| 01:39.00 | streuner_ | Guerin: well, how do you see something about youtube.com then? |
| 01:39.10 | Ankman | does it start then> |
| 01:39.15 | dooglus | running: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/iceweasel:/usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins:/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin; echo $? shows me "1" |
| 01:39.21 | mike | I save those streams |
| 01:39.27 | streuner_ | hm |
| 01:39.28 | Anon58488 | hi, i've booted debian, however i need to reinstall it, how can i reinstall it? |
| 01:39.31 | dooglus | it doesn't start, no, I'm back to a silent failure. see the exit status is 1... |
| 01:39.39 | Ankman | :-( |
| 01:39.58 | dooglus | there's nothing being written to stdout or stderr, or to /var/log/* |
| 01:40.04 | Ankman | this happended after the update? |
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| 01:40.14 | Guerin | streuner_: that's even worse, requires flash |
| 01:40.19 | Guerin | streuner_: twoce the retardation |
| 01:40.20 | airtest | anyone know the diffrent bettween bssid dmac and smac I think its the same Mac address? |
| 01:40.21 | streuner_ | sure |
| 01:40.22 | Ankman | try "strace icewaesel" |
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| 01:40.29 | Ankman | if this says something |
| 01:40.31 | dooglus | strace: command not found. grrr. |
| 01:40.44 | Ankman | oh |
| 01:40.47 | dooglus | is there some package / task I should install that will get me strace, less, vim, and such like? |
| 01:40.54 | Ankman | should install it, helped mea lot |
| 01:40.54 | streuner_ | no |
| 01:41.03 | dvs | !find strance sarge |
| 01:41.09 | streuner_ | dooglus: just apt-get install <package> |
| 01:41.11 | dooglus | I guess the problem is that I'm missing some basic package that should be, but isn't, a dependency |
| 01:41.15 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'strance' returned no results. |
| 01:41.23 | Guerin | dooglus: what is similar about those things that they'd be in the same package? |
| 01:41.23 | dvs | oops |
| 01:41.27 | dvs | !find strace sarge |
| 01:41.30 | dooglus | streuner_: that's OK, but I don't know which other packages I don't have. isn't there a 'base' install of some kind? |
| 01:41.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'strace' (3): (/usr/bin/strace) in utils/strace ;; (/usr/bin/dnstracer) in net/dnstracer ;; (/usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/strace.vim) in editors/vim-common. |
| 01:41.47 | streuner_ | less and strace aren't basic packages, they are optional |
| 01:41.49 | dvs | dooglus: strace it is |
| 01:41.59 | Ankman | apt-get install strace |
| 01:42.01 | dooglus | Guerin: what's similar about them is that I would expect them to be available in any linux install I guess |
| 01:42.09 | dooglus | oh, ok |
| 01:42.22 | Guerin | dooglus: they are available, if you install them. |
| 01:42.30 | streuner_ | dooglus: no, the d-i decides what kind of basic packages you have installed, after installing process |
| 01:42.30 | Guerin | debian doesn't make decisions for you. |
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| 01:42.52 | Ankman | brb, need to play some galaga |
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| 01:44.16 | dooglus | streuner_: I didn't run the d-i |
| 01:44.23 | vyrus | anybody else haveing issues with x segfaulting ? |
| 01:44.52 | dooglus | streuner_: I used debootstrap. is there some way I can run the part of the d-i which installs basic packages for me? |
| 01:45.00 | streuner_ | !tell vyrus about bts |
| 01:45.07 | streuner_ | ic |
| 01:45.39 | streuner_ | no idea, i didn't use debootstrap |
| 01:46.01 | streuner_ | just follow the advice of Guerin |
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| 01:46.41 | Azar | wow, we can make a custom 2.6.18 kernel on Sarge? woooooww! |
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| 01:46.49 | Guerin | dooglus: tasksel might do it |
| 01:46.58 | Guerin | dooglus: but why not just install shit as you want it? |
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| 01:47.42 | streuner_ | Azar: it wasn't easy in woody (2.6.x kernel), but its easier in sarge |
| 01:48.44 | dooglus | Guerin: iceweasel won't run. I'm thinking I might be missing some package it depends on. |
| 01:48.56 | Guerin | dooglus: what branch? |
| 01:48.57 | dooglus | Guerin: so the problem is, I don't know what variety of shit I need |
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| 01:49.03 | dooglus | Guerin: unstable |
| 01:49.17 | Guerin | dooglus: i installed iceweasel today, works fine. |
| 01:49.19 | streuner_ | that's a problem then |
| 01:49.22 | dooglus | http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/iceweasel.txt is a typescript of running 'strace iceweasel' |
| 01:49.27 | Guerin | dooglus: ok |
| 01:49.32 | dooglus | Guerin: it works fine on my other sid box, too |
| 01:49.51 | Guerin | the only difference being that this one was installed with debootstrap |
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| 01:50.03 | Guerin | you're not in any virtualisation or anything? |
| 01:50.03 | dooglus | Guerin: so I don't think it's failing *because* it's unstable. but this is a new sid install, so I guess I'm missing a package or two that it needs, but doesn't know it needs |
| 01:50.06 | Azar | streuner_: I just remembered how to build a custom kernel, been 3 years since I have done it, and yes, it wasn't easy |
| 01:50.21 | dooglus | Guerin: the other one was installed with debootstrap too, but about a year ago. |
| 01:50.44 | Guerin | dooglus: deleted .mozilla? |
| 01:50.47 | dooglus | Guerin: no, I installed on a new partition, and then booted that partition, so I'm not in a chroot, or any other such nonsense |
| 01:51.12 | dooglus | Guerin: that's the first thing I did in the typescript, yes. in case the problem was with a lock file or something |
| 01:51.38 | Guerin | dooglus: does the reference binary from mozilla.org work? |
| 01:51.51 | Guerin | oh, i see you deleting that now |
| 01:52.50 | dooglus | Guerin: I'll try it... |
| 01:52.55 | dooglus | Guerin: got a URL for it? |
| 01:53.09 | dooglus | Guerin: I'm web-challenged at the moment :( |
| 01:53.20 | vyrus | /join #xorg |
| 01:53.42 | vyrus | so i guess i should just put forth a bugtraq request assumeing i didnt mess somthign up somwhere ? |
| 01:54.12 | Azar | wow, so if your new kernel installation does not go well, at bootup grubs gives you the chance to get back with the old kernel? |
| 01:54.19 | Guerin | dooglus: http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?product=firefox-2.0.0.1&os=linux&lang=en-US |
| 01:54.29 | Guerin | bah, stupid rediorects |
| 01:54.31 | vyrus | Azar yep :D |
| 01:54.41 | dooglus | first - I just tried apt-get --reinstall install iceweasel, and that failed! |
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| 01:54.42 | dooglus | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_2.0+dfsg-1_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/firefox', which is also in package totem-mozilla |
| 01:54.42 | dpkg | dooglus: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:54.52 | Guerin | wtf |
| 01:55.00 | dooglus | hmmm |
| 01:55.01 | Guerin | why do you have that retardation installed? |
| 01:55.02 | streuner_ | there is #firefox on irc.mozilla.org, in case you have issues... |
| 01:55.15 | dvs | dooglus: so uninstall totem-mozilla |
| 01:55.16 | Guerin | streuner_: this seems to be iceweasel, though |
| 01:55.20 | dooglus | I didn't do it - I guess debootstrap did |
| 01:55.31 | streuner_ | Guerin: sure, i forgot :-) |
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| 01:56.24 | streuner_ | Guerin: (speaking of firefox binaries) |
| 01:56.31 | vyrus | when somthing generates a backtrace, 12 is where the glitch ocurd yea? |
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| 01:57.26 | streuner_ | Could it be, that he still have ubuntu stuff installed...? |
| 01:57.29 | dooglus | hmmm, problem solved... removing totem-mozilla wasn't enough to fix it, but reinstalling iceweasel was then possible, and that fixed the problem. |
| 01:57.44 | dvs | dooglus: of course |
| 01:57.55 | dvs | dooglus: that's what I expected |
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| 01:58.09 | Guerin | this leads me to believe that totem-mozilla was installed after iceweasel, with --force-overwrite |
| 01:58.19 | dooglus | dvs: this looks like a bug. I would never willing have installed anything with 'totem' in its name |
| 01:58.22 | Guerin | the question is, what would be so fucking stupid as to do that? |
| 01:58.41 | dooglus | Guerin: I can check the dpkg logs to see the timeline |
| 01:58.41 | Guerin | dooglus: using debian's debootstrap, or ubuntu's, or what? |
| 01:58.44 | dvs | Guerin: totem-mozilla? ;-) |
| 01:58.44 | Guerin | yeh |
| 02:00.58 | dooglus | Guerin: using ubuntu's |
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| 02:01.02 | dooglus | http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/dpkg.txt |
| 02:01.26 | dooglus | ^-- the dpkg logs for *totem* and *iceweasel* |
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| 02:02.44 | Guerin | mm, fucked |
| 02:02.49 | Ankman | oO |
| 02:02.53 | enouf | screwed |
| 02:03.03 | dooglus | I just reinstalled totem-mozilla and it hasn't caused any problem that I can see - they're not incompatible, I didn't need any 'force' option |
| 02:04.00 | dvs | dooglus: why do you need totem-mozilla? |
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| 02:04.24 | dooglus | dvs: I don't. At all. |
| 02:04.41 | dooglus | dvs: but there seems to be some kind of bug here. I'd like to be able to file a reasonable report about it. |
| 02:04.48 | dvs | dooglus: then why reinstall it? Did anything broke? |
| 02:04.56 | dvs | dooglus: then use reportbug |
| 02:05.17 | dooglus | dvs: reportbug asks me to explain how to reproduce the problem. I don't know how to yet. |
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| 02:05.39 | enouf | A . use a ubuntu version on Debian |
| 02:05.39 | dooglus | dvs: do you have any understanding of what happened to cause the problem? |
| 02:06.22 | dvs | dooglus: not really. I'm guessing if you install totem-mozilla first then iceweasel will create the error message. |
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| 02:07.03 | Malawar | hm |
| 02:07.07 | Malawar | last I heard mplayer had a package in etch |
| 02:07.08 | dvs | Malawar: hm? |
| 02:07.15 | Guerin | not etch |
| 02:07.16 | Guerin | sid |
| 02:07.19 | Malawar | well |
| 02:07.20 | dvs | !info mplayer etch |
| 02:07.22 | Malawar | it USED to be in etch :P |
| 02:07.44 | Guerin | dooglus: file against ubuntu's debootstrap |
| 02:07.46 | dooglus | dvs: no, that works fine. |
| 02:08.01 | Guerin | dooglus: the problem is that incorrect packages were installed, not that the packages were broken |
| 02:08.38 | dooglus | Guerin: what is an incorrect package? it downloaded and installed debian packages. |
| 02:09.31 | Guerin | dooglus: you didn't ask it to install totem-mozilla; that seems like a 100% ubuntu choice |
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| 02:09.50 | Guerin | dooglus: you could file against totem-mozilla as `prevents iceweasel from working' or such |
| 02:09.58 | dvs | Guerin: installed Debian over Ubuntu? |
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| 02:10.24 | Anon58488 | hi, how do i download a file into a second partition? |
| 02:10.28 | Guerin | dvs: ??? |
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| 02:10.45 | Guerin | Anon58488: mount the partition, cd to it, download the file |
| 02:10.45 | enouf | Anon58488: what? |
| 02:10.47 | dvs | Guerin: would installing Debian over Ubuntu cause such an error? |
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| 02:11.19 | Guerin | dvs: the debootstrap was run in a deparate partition, so no - other than the fact that the package list is ubuntu's |
| 02:11.34 | dvs | oh ok. |
| 02:11.43 | enouf | dooglus: where did you aquire this "ubuntu" debootstrap from? |
| 02:11.53 | Guerin | from ubuntu, duh |
| 02:11.55 | Guerin | try to keep up |
| 02:11.56 | Anon58488 | guerin: how? |
| 02:12.03 | Life | sorry, i do not know how to mount a partition :| |
| 02:12.06 | enouf | !debootstrap |
| 02:12.06 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 02:12.17 | enouf | uh . no ubuntu there .. duh |
| 02:12.30 | mg | I've just built a new 2.6.8 kernel, which used udev to wipe clean the /dev directory on every reboot. I need a symlink at /dev/modem. How do I make that get recreated at every reboot? |
| 02:12.34 | Guerin | Life: man mount |
| 02:12.36 | dooglus | dvs: I didn't install debian over ubuntu. I installed debian into a new partition, using debootstrap in ubuntu to do so. |
| 02:12.40 | amphi | Cyis: /home is a separate partition? |
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| 02:12.48 | dooglus | enouf: I ran "sudo apt-get install debootstrap" I think |
| 02:12.53 | dooglus | enouf: (in ubuntu) |
| 02:12.54 | enouf | "from within" |
| 02:13.15 | Life | how would i be able to find what parameters i use? |
| 02:13.18 | Life | like |
| 02:13.25 | Life | how can i see what hard drives i have? what command |
| 02:13.27 | Cyis | amphi: unfortunately no |
| 02:13.28 | Guerin | Life: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 02:13.38 | amphi | Cyis: very careless ;) |
| 02:13.48 | dvs | Life: fdisk -l |
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| 02:13.55 | Life | thank you |
| 02:13.57 | Guerin | Cyis: http://forum.ev1servers.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49672 |
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| 02:14.00 | amphi | Cyis: back up /home, install debian, restore /home |
| 02:14.04 | schnucki | hi all |
| 02:14.16 | dooglus | Guerin: the thing is that totem-mozilla doesn't prevent iceweasel from working - I've uninstalled and reinstalled both and they work OK together now |
| 02:14.20 | |pepo| | hi friends |
| 02:14.23 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 02:14.36 | dooglus | Guerin: but there's some way of getting one to break the other - I just can't work out what it is.. |
| 02:14.51 | Guerin | dooglus: well, since it's a bug that only occurs under ubuntu debootstrap, I don't think I can see the point in filing a bug |
| 02:15.03 | Guerin | maybe a low-priority against iceweasel |
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| 02:15.07 | dvs | dooglus: you started out with ubuntu's package list before but now you have Debian's list which is ok. |
| 02:15.23 | Cyis | may have been careless in hindsight... but being as I'm the only one using this workstation it made sense at the time... good thing is I still have large chunk of available space on LVM |
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| 02:16.35 | dooglus | Guerin: debootstrap is a supported way of installing debian, I think |
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| 02:17.44 | Guerin | yes, but since debian has no control over other distros' debootstrap package lists, it's not really sane to file a bug against it |
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| 02:18.30 | Guerin | unless you file a bug against the ubuntu debootstrap which says: these two packages work fine together when installed manually, but when installed via this debootstrap, they don't, so debootstrap must be doing something stupid' |
| 02:18.47 | enouf | ponders which exact debootstrap was used and if a pkglist/repo/mirror is even a part of debootstrap ... dunnon enough about it |
| 02:19.04 | jelly | might be useful to file a bug for ubuntu's debootstrap reasoning it didn't behave as expected |
| 02:19.07 | dooglus | enouf: I'll get you the URL for the package I used. |
| 02:19.13 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=debootstrap&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 02:19.20 | Guerin | debootstrap HAS a packagelist built in |
| 02:19.23 | Guerin | or rather, several |
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| 02:21.06 | dooglus | enouf: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.0ubuntu7_all.deb |
| 02:21.22 | enouf | dooglus: I think what may have happened is an apt-get install debootstrap from within ubuntu .. will pull downfrom ubuntu mirrors .. afeter that? .. it's anyone's guess |
| 02:21.46 | enouf | dooglus: can you compare the two? .. to the one I posted perhaps? |
| 02:22.00 | dooglus | enouf: I installed the ubuntu debootstrap package on the ubuntu partition, and that installed debian sid packages on the debian sid partition. |
| 02:22.14 | enouf | dooglus: there are 4 I listed (i386) anyway .. different names as you can see |
| 02:22.15 | schnucki | anyone here have suceful played with debian + openldap + ssl ? |
| 02:22.30 | streuner_ | dooglus: why did you use debootstrap at all? |
| 02:23.10 | dooglus | streuner_: it's the only way I know of installing debian when I don't have an install CD |
| 02:23.23 | dooglus | streuner_: what's the suggested way? |
| 02:23.31 | streuner_ | !d-i |
| 02:23.31 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
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| 02:24.13 | dooglus | I didn't want to burn CDs |
| 02:24.21 | |pepo| | hi friends |
| 02:24.35 | dvs | dooglus: do you have a free USB Flash drive? |
| 02:24.52 | streuner_ | !nickometer |pepo| |
| 02:24.54 | dpkg | '|pepo|' is 26.000% lame, streuner_ |
| 02:25.02 | |pepo| | is there some way to use a D-link access point (DWL-2100AP) with Debian? |
| 02:25.13 | dooglus | dvs: I think so, yes. but nothing to stick in it |
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| 02:25.28 | dvs | ??? |
| 02:25.50 | |pepo| | tnx |
| 02:25.58 | Cyis | hmm.. my home directory is only 46G and the stuff in /opt I need to keep is about another 45G... I think I have a LVM slice big enough that I could back that all up on |
| 02:26.08 | dooglus | dvs: oh, I see. I have a memory card reader, and some space USB slots, but no USB flash drives, no |
| 02:26.13 | streuner_ | |pepo|: that's a hardware-router, isn't it? |
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| 02:27.04 | |pepo| | yes but but I cant use with my Etch |
| 02:27.15 | |pepo| | it works very well with WinXP |
| 02:27.16 | streuner_ | why not? |
| 02:27.33 | streuner_ | !kill|pepo| |
| 02:27.36 | streuner_ | !kill |pepo| |
| 02:27.54 | streuner_ | it uses DHCP? |
| 02:28.02 | streuner_ | so /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 02:28.07 | Cyis | guess I need to look at getting an update ISO image |
| 02:28.48 | streuner_ | |pepo|: we need more details |
| 02:28.52 | streuner_ | !doesn't work |
| 02:28.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 02:30.04 | |pepo| | ok in windoz I have to browse 192.168.0.50 and get the interface of my AP... but in Debian I cant see (dont ping) |
| 02:30.51 | streuner_ | what does 'route -n' tell you? |
| 02:31.11 | streuner_ | does it show the gateway (AP)? |
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| 02:32.28 | |pepo| | route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.0.50 |
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| 02:32.41 | |pepo| | 192.168.0.0 192.168.0.50 255.255.255.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 02:32.45 | dooglus | enouf: debian's debootstrap's 'sid' script is identical to ubuntu edgy's debootstrap's 'sid' script |
| 02:32.53 | |pepo| | From 192.168.0.52 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 02:33.04 | |pepo| | PING: From 192.168.0.52 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable |
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| 02:33.07 | streuner_ | hm, and 'ping -c1 192.168.0.50' is ok too? |
| 02:33.13 | streuner_ | m |
| 02:33.16 | streuner_ | hm |
| 02:33.24 | streuner_ | the route is fucked then |
| 02:33.30 | enouf | hrm .. looking at the source myself now .. but I d/l the sarge version .. doh |
| 02:33.40 | enouf | dooglus: ^^ |
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| 02:33.43 | streuner_ | means, edit /etc/internet/interfaces (/msg dpkg interfaces) |
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| 02:34.20 | dooglus | enouf: it looks like it doesn't contain a list of packages, but installs packages based on their priority. |
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| 02:35.21 | streuner_ | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:35.35 | dooglus | enouf: if that's true though, why would it have installed the optional totem-mozilla package. hrm. |
| 02:35.41 | jelly | |pepo|: usign wireless? |
| 02:35.49 | streuner_ | hm |
| 02:36.29 | jelly | |pepo|: are your security settings set up correctly (wep, wpa, whatever)? |
| 02:36.50 | |pepo| | no I think that it didnt need ... or? |
| 02:36.59 | roler | Is there any free partitioning software out there ? that is, to re-size existing partitions to make room for others?] |
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| 02:37.04 | dooglus | enouf: ah - debootstrap didn't install totem-mozilla - tasksel did that. |
| 02:37.15 | dooglus | roler: gparted, qtparted |
| 02:37.21 | |pepo| | no, I connect direct using an UTP cable |
| 02:37.34 | enouf | you looked over this? http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debootstrap.html ... wonder when tasksel was selcted |
| 02:37.36 | jelly | |pepo|: oh, ok then ;-) |
| 02:38.03 | dooglus | enouf: tasksel wasn't selected. I installed it using apt-get to install more packages. I chose the first option, something like 'desktop' |
| 02:38.04 | jelly | |pepo|: are you sure your router is .50 and not, say, 192.168.0.1 ? |
| 02:38.31 | streuner_ | |pepo|: /msg dpkg interfaces, edit interfaces, and run 'ifdown -a, ifup -a' |
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| 02:39.30 | |pepo| | yes, in windoze I use firefox and 192.168.0.50 and get the interface of my AP |
| 02:40.20 | enouf | dooglus: I only see 0.3.3.1 on the deb devel pages .. you posted 0.3.3.0 ubuntu version from kernel.org mirror .. dunno |
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| 02:40.46 | enouf | dooglus: er .. not 'only' .. but no 0.3.3.0 versio n there |
| 02:41.33 | enouf | perhaps the 0.3.3. becomes .0 when moved to testing via britney .. just guessing |
| 02:42.55 | dondelelcaro | !+info debootstrap etch |
| 02:42.58 | dpkg | debootstrap: (Bootstrap a basic Debian system), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.3.3.1 (etch), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
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| 02:44.48 | enouf | http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/debootstrap/news/20051228T220808Z.html |
| 02:45.16 | MatBoy | guys can I send a message to someone in a channel that is not online but where the message will be send when he gets online ? |
| 02:45.50 | unlink | write him an email? |
| 02:46.02 | unlink | nickserv migh have messaging actually... |
| 02:46.05 | MatBoy | unlink, yeah, but not possible for now |
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| 02:47.21 | dooglus | !NMU |
| 02:47.21 | dpkg | hmm... nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 02:48.13 | dooglus | enouf: it doesn't look like the difference between 0.3.3 and 0.3.3.1 is relevant here |
| 02:48.56 | Cyis | well I think my decision is made up... converting it back to Debian... however I'll go with i386 rather than amd64 for now |
| 02:49.11 | dooglus | MatBoy: if someone is in a channel then they are online. |
| 02:49.35 | enouf | dooglus: really? .. find me a .deb from Debian's repo then please .. though just trying to help .. getting a bit frustrated .. since I'm not sure how the wizard behind the curtain pulls all the strings! .. oh my dorothy :-) |
| 02:49.48 | MatBoy | dooglus, yep, but he is not in the channel |
| 02:49.59 | MatBoy | and I want to trigger him when he will be |
| 02:50.01 | Cyis | anyone running Banshee on etch or unstable and able to confirm whether it handles MP3 CD ripping or will I need to recompile myself |
| 02:50.30 | dooglus | enouf: source or binary? |
| 02:50.38 | enouf | dooglus: I cannot understand why you would obtain files from kernel.org rather than debian repos .. that's all |
| 02:50.44 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: i have banshee on etch and i can confirm that the player freezes too much to be usable :) |
| 02:50.47 | enouf | dooglus: any friggin .deb |
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| 02:51.05 | streuner_ | enouf: kernel.org has debs as well, and its a good mirror. |
| 02:51.13 | enouf | dooglus: please point me to a debootstrap .deb from Debian repos |
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| 02:51.19 | Cyis | hmm... other options for interfacing with an iPod? |
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| 02:51.25 | enouf | streuner_: that's not ,my point |
| 02:51.34 | streuner_ | sure :-) |
| 02:51.34 | enouf | maybe I don't have one :-P |
| 02:51.44 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: system specs? |
| 02:51.51 | enouf | I could just be a hungry asshoole right now .. is all |
| 02:51.58 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: personally i like amarok (even in gnome) and it supposedly can, though i have no ipod to test with |
| 02:52.00 | dooglus | enouf: http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.1_all.deb ? |
| 02:52.01 | enouf | literally hungry |
| 02:52.19 | enouf | dooglus: ok .. lemmee see .. |
| 02:52.29 | dooglus | enouf: I just picked a random link that packages.debian.org gave me. |
| 02:52.41 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: amd athlon xp 2500+, not sure how it's relevant though |
| 02:52.50 | dooglus | enouf: kernel.org is just another mirror of the debian repositories |
| 02:53.02 | enouf | dooglus: I can't find any .debs from pdo .. shows how much i know |
| 02:53.05 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: whether it might be performance related rather than code |
| 02:53.05 | dooglus | enouf: well, it serves other purposed too, of course |
| 02:53.19 | enouf | dooglus: I only see source and .tar.gz files |
| 02:53.25 | dooglus | enouf: click the 'all' link in the 'architecture' column to see the .deb links |
| 02:53.36 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: no it's code, it happens when switching libraries |
| 02:53.37 | enouf | dooglus: ok .. thanks |
| 02:53.47 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: I'm running and AMD Athlon 64 3000+ with 1.5GB RAM |
| 02:53.59 | streuner_ | enouf: we can glad about every bandwidth we can get... |
| 02:54.07 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: 1gb ram here, rarely ever use 500mb of it ('cept in windows) |
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| 02:54.21 | enouf | dooglus: so you did a 'diff' between http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.0ubuntu7_all.deb and http://ftp.cz.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_0.3.3.1_all.deb ? |
| 02:54.35 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: i can't find a cd ripper in banshee anyway |
| 02:54.36 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: i'm using most of my RAM... |
| 02:54.37 | dooglus | enouf: not the whole thing, no; but I will. |
| 02:54.49 | enouf | dooglus: if so .. and all checks out .. I'm going away for a few .. gotta put on my straight jacket |
| 02:54.51 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: with the kernel i/o cache probable |
| 02:55.07 | dooglus | enouf: I just read the changelog |
| 02:55.08 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: look at the line in `free` that's "+/- cache" |
| 02:55.51 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: and that's the count without the kernel cache |
| 02:55.51 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: Edit -> Preferences -> Encoding |
| 02:56.10 | Dustin22a | Question: I installed a linux os and i did not like it so i booted to windows and deleted the linux partition and i still get that screen on startup asking me what i want to do boot to windows or the linux distro i installed. How do i just make it boot to windows? |
| 02:56.22 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: hmm maybe it only gives the option to rip when an audio cd is in |
| 02:56.41 | DerJamster | Dustin22a: fix the master boot record. |
| 02:56.54 | DerJamster | Dustin22a: chkdsk /mbr I think. not sure tho. Might be fdisk /mbr or fixmbr |
| 02:57.03 | DerJamster | Something along those likes. google. :> |
| 02:57.26 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: either way i still like amarok's interface better, just a personal preference |
| 02:57.39 | Cyis | Mem: 1439592 1432840 6752 0 16848 410572 |
| 02:57.39 | Cyis | -/+ buffers/cache: 1005420 434172 |
| 02:57.39 | Cyis | Swap: 2031608 148 2031460 |
| 02:57.56 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: wtf are you running, azureus? |
| 02:58.04 | DerJamster | Blender? :> |
| 02:58.18 | dooglus | enouf: here are the diffs: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/diffs.txt |
| 02:58.21 | DerJamster | dvd encoder? |
| 02:58.29 | Dustin22a | i tried google and i did not get valid info with out purchasing a program grr will keep looking. Thanks |
| 02:58.30 | enouf | dooglus: from what I understand (which ain't much) .. kerenl.org items are not arch specific . hence one can obtain an arch specific pkgs from debian.org ... maybe there's other diffs |
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| 02:58.37 | DerJamster | vmware perhaps, eh? :> |
| 02:58.42 | Cyis | Xorg 7.1, Thunderbird, Firefox, Xchat, couple of gnome-terminals, and beryl/emerald |
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| 02:58.54 | DerJamster | that's it? |
| 02:58.57 | SerajewelKS | ah, firefox |
| 02:58.58 | DerJamster | what, what's beryl? |
| 02:59.01 | Cyis | vmware is shutdown as I'm running under Xen |
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| 02:59.07 | SerajewelKS | lots of tabs open then? :) |
| 02:59.32 | streuner_ | !tell Derjamster about beryl |
| 02:59.32 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: They move out of the way easily enough when moving the mouse cursor to the bottom right :) |
| 02:59.45 | dooglus | enouf: I think the whole of debootstrap is not arch-specific |
| 02:59.53 | DerJamster | streuner_: thanks ;) |
| 03:00.10 | SerajewelKS | too bad beryl isn't in debian yet |
| 03:00.13 | Cyis | I plan on pulling the three 512MB DDR sticks and replacing them with 1GB sticks at some point |
| 03:00.15 | streuner_ | Derjam: just search on youtoub.com about |
| 03:00.16 | dooglus | enouf: that's why you don't see a list of architectures on the p.d.o page |
| 03:00.33 | enouf | dooglus: why are there every arch listed separately rthen? |
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| 03:00.40 | enouf | sure I do |
| 03:00.40 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: I'm running beryl on my Etch workstation in the office |
| 03:01.06 | gravity | SerajewelKS: We have packages ready. I need to check them over, build them, and upload them |
| 03:01.18 | SerajewelKS | gravity: ah |
| 03:01.19 | Cyis | deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/beryl/etch/ ./ |
| 03:01.26 | enouf | bah! ... dooglus you're right "for Sid" |
| 03:01.32 | gravity | SerajewelKS: Because the XSF is switching our revision control system, I'm using the opportunity to learn the new tools, so that's part of the reason for the delay |
| 03:01.32 | enouf | not foir Sarge though |
| 03:01.44 | dooglus | enouf: some packages are arch-dependant - those which contain binaries... for instance http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_2.0+dfsg-1_i386.deb - that's a 386 binary, and it's mirrored on kernel.org |
| 03:01.51 | SerajewelKS | the experimental nvidia driver freezes for me though, not sure why. it used to work. |
| 03:02.01 | streuner_ | Derjam: http://youtube.com/watch?v=_2AGjfzVzfg |
| 03:02.12 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: which build version? I've got an nvidia card here |
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| 03:02.29 | enouf | dooglus: sarge version no .. sid version yes .. no idea about etch |
| 03:02.35 | SerajewelKS | then again when it worked i was using a 6600 gt, now i'm using a 7600 gs and i've heard the experimental driver has issues with this card |
| 03:02.35 | Cyis | runnin Beryl here with an nvidia card and at work on Etch with an i810 |
| 03:03.10 | enouf | domin0: taking a break .. I see some diffs that you posted .. no idea how important they are though |
| 03:03.16 | SerajewelKS | is beryl a compositing manager or a desktop environment |
| 03:03.20 | enouf | dooglus: er you I mean ^^ :-) |
| 03:03.25 | domin0 | wrong domin0 |
| 03:03.29 | streuner_ | SerajewelKS: wm |
| 03:04.04 | domin0 | i'm only on freenode to ask a question in here |
| 03:04.04 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: I've only got a GeForce 2 MX 400 install'd right now... my FX 5200 dual-head card is collecting dust right now |
| 03:04.04 | streuner_ | heh |
| 03:04.04 | domin0 | has anyone ported tcdprop (openbsd) to debian already? |
| 03:04.05 | streuner_ | !find tcdprop |
| 03:04.10 | Life | o_O |
| 03:04.12 | SerajewelKS | streuner_: nods, technically i suppose a compositing manager has to be a wm, just depends if it delegates that task as compiz does |
| 03:04.13 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: yes... beryl is a compsiteing wm ... fork'd from compiz but kicks compiz's @$$ |
| 03:04.14 | Life | i betrayed debian :O |
| 03:04.15 | enouf | !!tcpdrop |
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| 03:04.18 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'tcdprop' returned no results. |
| 03:04.21 | enouf | bah |
| 03:04.31 | domin0 | yea, i've already looked through packages |
| 03:04.36 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: nods, my card may just be too new |
| 03:04.41 | domin0 | just seeing if anyone has little dirty port sitting around |
| 03:04.46 | domin0 | before i commit time to it |
| 03:04.55 | enouf | domin0: t c p d r o p ? .. or |
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| 03:05.18 | SerajewelKS | hmm the experimental driver has been updated |
| 03:05.34 | dooglus | enouf: I don't think debootstrap is much to do with this at all - since it only installed a few packages. iceweasel and mozilla-totem were both installed by tasksel, an hour after debootstrap had finished running. |
| 03:05.34 | SerajewelKS | it was 95xx last time i checked. i'll try that one now. |
| 03:05.39 | domin0 | yes, tcpdrop |
| 03:05.48 | DerJamster | dooglus: which is? an app to drop tcp connections? |
| 03:05.50 | DerJamster | mis |
| 03:05.54 | DerJamster | domin0: which is? an app to drop tcp connections? |
| 03:05.55 | domin0 | its a openbsd/freebsd util |
| 03:06.05 | domin0 | yes, it drops tcp conenctions out of the kernel |
| 03:06.06 | Cyis | now I just have to determine if I think I can safely install Etch on an existing LVM VG and just reformat the necessary partitions except the one I put my backups on' |
| 03:06.21 | DerJamster | !!dsniff |
| 03:06.24 | Cyis | or if I should spend my evening pulling out an old drive to backup to |
| 03:06.30 | enouf | dooglus: oh? .. what the f? .. I goes now |
| 03:06.37 | DerJamster | domin0: the dsniff package has 'tcpkill'. You can use that. |
| 03:06.40 | DerJamster | it's in debian |
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| 03:06.55 | domin0 | thanks derjamster, i will check into that |
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| 03:07.47 | eduhat | hey guys. how can intall my kernel into my boot loader? |
| 03:07.52 | domin0 | tcpkill is not the same thing |
| 03:07.56 | domin0 | it sends a reset |
| 03:08.03 | domin0 | tcpdrop silently drops the connection |
| 03:09.05 | Cyis | gawd I love beryl... |
| 03:09.18 | domin0 | can anyone give me a good suggestion for mailing list to ask about this port in? |
| 03:09.40 | eduhat | can anyone please help me install my kernel into the boot loader? |
| 03:09.45 | SerajewelKS | domin0: debian-users probable |
| 03:09.56 | SerajewelKS | probably* |
| 03:10.51 | domin0 | alright, i'll give that a try |
| 03:10.57 | domin0 | thanks for the input all |
| 03:11.16 | CHodapp | http://techp.org/petition/show/1 . . . petition from Bruce Perens, for anyone interested. |
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| 03:12.11 | Guerin | eduhat: what bootloader? |
| 03:12.25 | eduhat | Guerin: grub. the default for debian |
| 03:12.51 | Guerin | eduhat: are you not using a debian kernel? |
| 03:13.19 | eduhat | Guerin: yes. with the exception of patching it with ornioco drivers |
| 03:13.35 | Guerin | eduhat: is it a deb package that you installed? |
| 03:14.01 | arul_is_me | anyone can tell me how to install xpde in my xandros? i'm a newbie here |
| 03:14.02 | eduhat | Guerin: you mean the patch? |
| 03:14.13 | Guerin | arul_is_me: #xandros |
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| 03:14.24 | Guerin | eduhat: no, the kernel you built |
| 03:14.39 | eduhat | oh yes. i apt-get'ed it |
| 03:14.43 | eduhat | then patched it |
| 03:14.48 | jelly | domin0: tcpdrop uses an OS specific sysctl which Linux might not have |
| 03:14.53 | arul_is_me | k...thanks |
| 03:15.01 | Guerin | eduhat: hang on. You don't patch a binary kernel. |
| 03:15.25 | Guerin | eduhat: the reason i ask is that kernels installed from debian packages set themselves up automatically in grub |
| 03:15.29 | jelly | domin0: netfilter is probably the right place to ask for that functionality |
| 03:15.58 | eduhat | Guerin: allright. but i patched it with a orinoco .diff then i make modules then make modules_install |
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| 03:16.47 | Guerin | bah |
| 03:16.49 | chronographer | hi all |
| 03:16.55 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: holy motherfucking shit this is sexy |
| 03:17.08 | Guerin | eduhat: run update-grub |
| 03:17.14 | Ronin | umm ok SerajewelKS |
| 03:17.21 | chronographer | i just installed etch and i have a large prob... |
| 03:17.24 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: what did you check out beryl? |
| 03:17.27 | chronographer | Xwindow error: |
| 03:17.38 | eduhat | Guerin: allright. anything else? |
| 03:17.41 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: fuck yes |
| 03:17.51 | chronographer | EE I810(0) NO video bios modes for chosen depth |
| 03:17.53 | Cyis | hehe... I told you it was the shit ;) |
| 03:17.54 | chronographer | and |
| 03:18.10 | chronographer | EE Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration |
| 03:18.11 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: that doesn't begin to describe it :D |
| 03:18.16 | domin0 | jelly: netfilter? as in the mailing list or ? |
| 03:18.25 | Cyis | well somethings you have to find out for yourself... |
| 03:18.28 | streuner_ | !drxx chrongrapher |
| 03:18.28 | dpkg | chrongrapher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 03:18.47 | streuner_ | chrongrapher: how about to choose 'VESA'? |
| 03:18.49 | eduhat | Guerin: do i need to do anything else or do i just reboot |
| 03:18.50 | chronographer | i haven't changed anything |
| 03:18.57 | streuner_ | chrongr: so change it :-) |
| 03:19.00 | jelly | domin0: www.netfilter.org -> lists -> one of those, probably |
| 03:19.06 | chronographer | so i type dpkg-reconfigure... |
| 03:19.17 | domin0 | jelly: thanks |
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| 03:20.31 | n3kl | Hi. How do I make console sessions powerdown the monitor after so many minutes of inactivity? |
| 03:20.59 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: you made my day and i mean that :) |
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| 03:21.13 | eduhat | Guerin: you there? |
| 03:21.15 | chronographer | what is VESA? |
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| 03:22.12 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: now if I can just get back to ole familar I'll make my own :) |
| 03:22.32 | Cyis | only installed Fedora because of multi-arch amd64 install... |
| 03:22.43 | chronographer | anyone recomment amount of memory for my videocard to use (an oldish laptop with 265 ram, no videocard memory..) |
| 03:22.44 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: :) |
| 03:22.46 | Cyis | didn't realize they rip anything MPEG out |
| 03:22.48 | streuner_ | !vesa |
| 03:22.48 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 03:22.59 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: ya they're gay like that |
| 03:23.04 | jelly | chronographer: for this purpose, vesa is the generic driver to use, when you don't know of a better one |
| 03:23.07 | dan2 | !radeonfb |
| 03:23.18 | chronographer | ok |
| 03:23.22 | dan2 | !radeon |
| 03:23.27 | Cyis | I mean come on... they didn't even put hooks for the dynamic loading libraries IF you had them installed from somewhere else |
| 03:23.31 | streuner_ | chronographer: its a standard in case you haven't a 'working' driver, VESA should support your videocard then... |
| 03:23.43 | n3kl | What is best practice for DNS access on a DMZ? I have an internal DNS Server, but do I want to make it recursive on an external interface for servers on the DMZ? |
| 03:24.49 | streuner_ | chronographer: just let the entry blank (memory amount) |
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| 03:24.50 | Cyis | n3kl: could use use dnsmasq? have it look at your internal DNS server for internal domain and use an external DNS for anything else? |
| 03:25.02 | Cyis | that's what I have to do with my openvpn tunnels to work |
| 03:25.20 | mg | How do I get udev to recreate my modem's symlink on a reboot? |
| 03:25.34 | jelly | chronographer: 256M RAM? that's not too old, maybe even this century. what does "lspci|grep VGA" say? |
| 03:25.57 | streuner_ | i810 |
| 03:25.59 | n3kl | Cyis: speaking of which, is openvpn nice? |
| 03:26.13 | Cyis | great... I show I have a lil over 100GB free on my LVM ... backup slice here I come |
| 03:26.16 | n3kl | I have installed it, but I have not had the time to learn how to set it up. |
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| 03:27.09 | Cyis | n3kl: They have a pretty sweet openvpn system setup at work... multiple vpns for different departments all with X509 certificate authentication... each admin able to issue certs has their own CA key |
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| 03:27.44 | Cyis | most of our vpn-ca management comes from a svn repo we have internal that builds the Linux and Windows install/config for a new vpn user |
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| 03:27.57 | usr_rob | i have a question about bluetooth device, i have configured hcid.conf/rfcomm.conf, can connect to my mobile to remote my desktop with sudo hidd --connect 00:16:B8:68:xx:xx , but my thinkpad won't allow incomming filetransfer. any suggestions? |
| 03:28.05 | Cyis | also updates all the DNS records and everything from the svn makefile |
| 03:28.34 | Cyis | I'm wanting to try and mimic the server side configuration at home |
| 03:29.38 | n3kl | Anyone know how to blank the monitor in a console? |
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| 03:29.45 | n3kl | like DPMS? |
| 03:30.30 | jelly | n3kl: setterm maybe? |
| 03:31.35 | mg | n3kl: check out vlock, perhaps after clear |
| 03:32.39 | Nibbier | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.52 | Nibbier | eg. |
| 03:33.03 | jelly | Nibbier: uh, "in a console" |
| 03:33.21 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: only thing I really would like to see in Debian w/ Beryl is the gnome-terminal actually handling the transparency better so that it actually looks at more than just the background but other apps and such |
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| 03:37.13 | Malawar | heh |
| 03:37.18 | Malawar | /etc/init.d/alsa reload totally trashes out my sytem. |
| 03:37.22 | eduhat | hey guys. can someone please help me get wireless working with debian. its using orinoco_cs right now. but i think it needs to use hostap. i need the card to be able to go into monitor mode and with the current drivers it cant |
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| 03:40.41 | eduhat | actually i need it to use linux-wlan ng drivers. can anyone help me? |
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| 03:44.01 | protocol1 | when will firefox 2 hot the etch repos? |
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| 03:45.06 | sgeigerb` | Isn't there a mailing list or RSS feed for seeing which packages are checked into or added to the Debian repository daily? |
| 03:45.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | protocol1: You don't want to "upgrade" to Fx 2.0 |
| 03:45.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | protocol1: It's about as buggy as free software gets |
| 03:45.41 | Malawar | ff2 works fine on windoze :/ |
| 03:45.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | No crashes? |
| 03:45.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | No data loss? |
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| 03:46.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | No memory leaks? |
| 03:46.46 | protocol1 | ok |
| 03:47.15 | protocol1 | Dark_Apostrophe, any ideas on how I can load java on my machine? |
| 03:47.29 | protocol1 | I just loaded a fresh copy of etch last night |
| 03:47.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | protocol1: Do you need Sun Java or will any jvm do? |
| 03:47.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | (GNU's Java usually does the job pretty well) |
| 03:47.55 | protocol1 | what ever is easier |
| 03:48.02 | protocol1 | or recommended |
| 03:48.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Depends on what you mean by easier |
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| 03:48.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Recommended: GNU java |
| 03:48.16 | protocol1 | ok |
| 03:48.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | apt-get install gij-4.1 |
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| 03:48.43 | protocol1 | mmmkay thx |
| 03:49.46 | protocol1 | Dark_Apostrophe, it says its already the newest version? |
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| 03:50.35 | chronographer | hi all |
| 03:50.46 | protocol1 | anyone? |
| 03:50.54 | chronographer | i need help with my laptops touchpad, its really slow on a new install |
| 03:51.02 | fgxn | udev doesn't make /dev/ide and /dev/scsi, among others, on my machine. I'm not sure where to start debugging that, as I've only just moved from devfs. |
| 03:51.12 | chronographer | i moved the sliders all up to fast and its still really slow |
| 03:52.07 | chronographer | anyone? |
| 03:52.15 | eduhat | how can i update the debian install? |
| 03:52.22 | Cyis | now I just wait for the 90-100GB to backup |
| 03:53.30 | Guerin | !tell eduhat about grounding |
| 03:53.47 | Guerin | eduhat: read some of those documents before you continue asking your elementary questions |
| 03:54.01 | eduhat | Guerin: iight |
| 03:54.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | protocol1: It just means that it's already installed. |
| 03:54.33 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: which effect plugin does the "window thumbnails" effect |
| 03:54.53 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: You mean when you put your mouse in the top left corner? |
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| 03:55.33 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: sure, it doesn't do jack for me |
| 03:56.05 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: ah found it |
| 03:56.25 | cougar` | hmmm |
| 03:56.29 | cougar` | Flood? |
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| 03:56.45 | SerajewelKS | cougar`: what? |
| 03:56.52 | cougar` | Must have missed it |
| 03:56.59 | cougar` | Just realized I was in debian-overflow |
| 03:57.27 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: only gripe is that it doesn't consider the gnome panels when maximizing |
| 03:58.18 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: Scale |
| 03:58.30 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: nods i found it |
| 03:59.58 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: still the maximizing bugs me |
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| 04:01.47 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: what are you trying to do exactly? I'll try it here on my Fedora system and tell you if I might be beryl or just the build |
| 04:01.50 | fgxn | So, devfs is gone, for some reason I cannot fathom. Butudev isn't creating things in /dev/ide and /dev/scsi. Anyone know how I can start debugging that so all my devices can exist again? |
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| 04:02.51 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: when i maximize a window, they fill the *whole* screen, even whene the gnome panels are. the panels stay on top though, so i lose access to the top part of the window |
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| 04:03.05 | protocol1 | yay I have java installed |
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| 04:03.37 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: must be something in the build then... cause the panels are "no fly zone" here when I maximize |
| 04:03.39 | chronographer | can anyone help me with setting up my laptop touchpad? |
| 04:03.49 | chronographer | It is really slow to move |
| 04:04.07 | eduhat | how can i have my card load the wlan_ng driver instead of orinoco_cs |
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| 04:05.46 | amphi | chronographer: xset perhaps |
| 04:05.49 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: You get the URL? |
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| 04:06.35 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: yes |
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| 04:07.15 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: See what I meant about the transparency on gnome-terminal |
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| 04:07.31 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: yes, i take it that's not stock |
| 04:07.37 | chronographer | xser |
| 04:07.41 | chronographer | er.. |
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| 04:07.51 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: Actually that is stock for FC6 ... but it doesn't behave the same on Etch |
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| 04:08.41 | protocol1 | what does booting in single user mode do? |
| 04:08.50 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: I'm really waiting to see what beryl looks like when I get my wife a new LCD so I can take her's to have a match'd pair for my FX 5200 dual-head card |
| 04:09.21 | protocol1 | does that keep you from using root or is it root? |
| 04:09.21 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: you tried flipping virtual desktops (ctrl-alt-left & ctrl-alt-right) yet? |
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| 04:10.11 | amphi | t3h cu6e!!! |
| 04:10.18 | protocol1 | not sure if anyone in here knows |
| 04:10.19 | fgxn | Anyone around who can walk me through how udev decides which file in /etc/udev to read? |
| 04:10.37 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: yes, i have used compiz before |
| 04:10.54 | Cyis | I wanna see that bad boy cube flip a 2560x1024 xinerama display :) |
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| 04:11.14 | bbldy | Cyis; bad boy >? |
| 04:11.24 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: i am using xinerama |
| 04:11.35 | protocol1 | nm its for fixing things |
| 04:11.39 | protocol1 | duh |
| 04:11.42 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: yeah but I think beryl adds some features to it that compiz doesn't |
| 04:11.57 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: it does |
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| 04:13.03 | Cyis | compiz on this machine ate the window title bars... but on beryl that's not a problem |
| 04:13.34 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: you need some packages from experimental to get compiz to use metacity |
| 04:13.35 | Cyis | I can't wait for this backup to finish so i can start re-installing |
| 04:13.41 | amphi | Cyis: the title bars were so hideous with emerald that I wish they had been eaten ;) |
| 04:13.51 | chronographer | !xset |
| 04:14.01 | chronographer | it doesn't change anything |
| 04:14.07 | SerajewelKS | amphi: by default yeah, i've found a theme i like though |
| 04:14.09 | Cyis | amphi: did you try a different theme? |
| 04:14.17 | eduhat | how can i have my card load the wlan_ng driver instead of orinoco_cs... debian loads orinoco_cs on default |
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| 04:14.21 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: Which did you go with? |
| 04:14.26 | chronographer | how do i log in as root? |
| 04:14.29 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: note that the GTK decorator does not work with beryl, for the same reason |
| 04:14.35 | chronographer | or make sudo work for me? |
| 04:14.42 | chronographer | =) |
| 04:14.53 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: blue slatehorn, with some tweaks |
| 04:14.59 | SerajewelKS | chronographer: su - |
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| 04:15.15 | chronographer | thx |
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| 04:15.42 | amphi | Cyis: I checked out a few, didn't like 'em much |
| 04:15.53 | amphi | Cyis: but they are only themes |
| 04:16.00 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: ah... I'm using Adonis_Mod right now... |
| 04:16.57 | chronographer | a laptop mouse still is in port /dev/input/mice ? |
| 04:17.32 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: blue has always been the color of choice for frames for me. started on win3.1 and MS hasn't changed it since so it just feels "right" to me. |
| 04:17.47 | amphi | chronographer: /dev/psaux IME |
| 04:17.48 | chronographer | (laptop touchpad i mean...) |
| 04:17.52 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: not that i'm a fan of windows, but it is what i grew up with :) |
| 04:17.56 | chronographer | psaux |
| 04:18.02 | chronographer | there is no IME |
| 04:18.09 | amphi | !IME |
| 04:18.09 | chronographer | just /dev/psaux |
| 04:18.09 | dpkg | ime is probably in my experience |
| 04:18.15 | Cyis | this backup is re-enforcing my need to finish converting all my TiVo files to DVD |
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| 04:18.43 | chronographer | psaux it is! |
| 04:18.47 | ski-worklap | is there a better mirror than mirrors.kernel.org for debian etch? i keep getting file not found errors? |
| 04:18.57 | ski-worklap | about 1/5 of the time i run apt-get update |
| 04:19.05 | chronographer | protocol for touchpad? |
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| 04:19.12 | Cyis | about a fourth of this backup is TiVo downloads from our DVRs |
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| 04:19.40 | chronographer | i am guessing ImPS/2 |
| 04:19.48 | Cyis | ski-worklap: find another one from the mirrors list that's close... I use the GA Tech one only cause I'm in Atlanta |
| 04:20.10 | ski-worklap | Cyis, where do i find this mirror list? |
| 04:20.25 | Cyis | on the Debian website :) |
| 04:21.04 | ski-worklap | imagine that! |
| 04:21.11 | ski-worklap | !mirrors |
| 04:21.11 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 04:21.24 | ski-worklap | yea, i'm too lazy to navigate the site :) |
| 04:21.47 | Cyis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.54 | Cyis | think I'm tasking the box a bit :) |
| 04:23.25 | Cyis | now if I could have convinced my wife to get the second SATA drive instead of just one I'd already have a backup :) |
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| 04:23.40 | eduhat | can someone please help me use the wlan_ng driver with debian 3.1 sarge. right now its using the orinoco_cs and its not supposed to. i need to switch drivers |
| 04:23.50 | Cyis | but she had to remind me we had bills to pay :) |
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| 04:26.00 | fgxn | eduhat: Sledgehammer solution: make it so that the orinoco_cs module file is a symlink to the wlan_ng file. |
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| 04:26.41 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: i just moved my panels around and that seemed to give beryl a hint |
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| 04:28.26 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: Something I can add to the laundry list of things I'd personally like to see fixed... also have a feature request for the d-i that would help me out in putting together a Xen guest OS installer similar to what FC has |
| 04:28.37 | eduhat | fgxn: how could i do that? i understand what your saying... but how/ |
| 04:28.38 | eduhat | ? |
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| 04:29.54 | fgxn | eduhat: cd /lib/modules/`uname -r`/drivers; find . -name \*orinoco_cs\*; go to each of those and remove the file and replace it with a symlink. |
| 04:31.00 | cougar` | Where do I find the SHA-1 command to encrypt a string like I can with md5 command? |
| 04:31.15 | SerajewelKS | Cyis: i might write some audio visualization effects... think about mixing the water effect with audio frequencies |
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| 04:31.57 | fgxn | cougar`: coreutils |
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| 04:32.01 | fgxn | cougar`: /usr/bin/sha1sum |
| 04:32.20 | fgxn | cougar`: But note that it's hashing, and hashing is not encryption |
| 04:33.00 | cougar` | sweet |
| 04:33.01 | cougar` | Thanks |
| 04:33.56 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: I wish Etch was using gnome-mount rather than pmount... both work on Etch but gnome-volumen-manager is dependent on pmount |
| 04:34.06 | ski-worklap | Cyis, hmm that mirrors list doesn't say which have etch and which don't |
| 04:34.11 | ski-worklap | (or which are round robins or not) |
| 04:34.29 | ski-worklap | the prob i have now is mirrors.kernel.org only about 1/5 of the hosts have etch mirrors. hrm. |
| 04:34.36 | Cyis | ski-worklap: you're asking too much of a list ;) |
| 04:34.57 | ski-worklap | well they list what architectures :) |
| 04:36.59 | fgxn | eduhat: Again, that's not the elegant solution. I think that involves something under /etc/modutils/ |
| 04:37.26 | eduhat | fgxn: yea. do you have an elegant solution for me? |
| 04:37.41 | bbldy | o snap. |
| 04:37.47 | fgxn | "something under /etc/modutils" |
| 04:38.23 | fgxn | The details are left as an exercise to the reader. ;) |
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| 04:43.23 | sid_ | Anyone using unstable and grabbed gnome 2.16 from experimental?( http://np237.livejournal.com/13145.html ) If so how was the upgrade, did gnome boot up out of the box after the upgrade? |
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| 04:44.18 | Ilovemypuppy | there is only one working icon theme (the default one); |
| 04:45.02 | Cyis | hmm.. with only 16GB of 90+GB backed up looks like I won't be doing this re-install unless I go grab my old 100+GB IDE drive and use it to install the OS on and leave my 300GB SATA for /home :) |
| 04:45.37 | xipietotec | does anyone have any experience getting GPS receiver's working in Linux? |
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| 04:46.08 | Ilovemypuppy | sid_, if anyone could tell me how i'd be happy to rebuild packages too, i've got a core2duo desktop |
| 04:46.23 | Ilovemypuppy | i have to go get food and a battery first though |
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| 04:47.16 | sid_ | Ilovemypuppy: You don't have to rebuild packages, building gnome is very involved. |
| 04:47.17 | sgeigerb` | Isn't there a mailing list or RSS feed for seeing which packages are checked into or added to the Debian repository daily? |
| 04:47.31 | sid_ | Ilovemypuppy: You just grab binaries(apt-get install) from experimental branch. |
| 04:47.37 | sgeigerb` | Ahhh...: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/newpkg_main |
| 04:48.05 | Ilovemypuppy | sid - it aint like gentoo? the guy on that webpage says he's looking for someone to build it for i386 |
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| 04:48.45 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:49.08 | Guerin | why are eejits telling other eejits to use experimental and build their own shit? |
| 04:49.18 | Guerin | too much fucking eggnog for you lot |
| 04:49.42 | sid_ | Ilovemypuppy: no, there is no compiling. With the experimental APT source configured, it should be a matter of apt-get install -t experimental gnome-desktop-environment |
| 04:49.54 | Guerin | sid_: oy. Stop. |
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| 04:50.00 | sid_ | Ilovemypuppy: This will probably break your gnome though. |
| 04:50.16 | Guerin | sid_: this place is bad enough without another fucktarded newb trying to run experimentall. |
| 04:50.23 | sid_ | hmm, this damn .de hostmask keeps stealing my sid alias. |
| 04:51.24 | Guerin | Cyis: spoken like someone who hasn't ever tried to use experimental. |
| 04:51.25 | sid | Guerin: It will give a chance for KDE and window managers to get used more. |
| 04:51.48 | Cyis | Guerin: actually I have... but I did so knowing it would probably break shit and knowing how to fix it myself |
| 04:51.57 | Guerin | sid: don't recommend experimental. Just don't. Ever. |
| 04:52.04 | sid | Guerin: I didn't, he asked. |
| 04:52.14 | sid | Guerin: I just wanted to know if anyone tried it and how bad the damage is. |
| 04:52.27 | sid | !experimental |
| 04:52.27 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 04:52.43 | Ilovemypuppy | sid, he doesnt have it built for i386 though, I was volunteering to do it if it wasnt too difficult, I have a p4 3.6 HT northwood with a gig of ram just chillin |
| 04:52.48 | Ilovemypuppy | oops |
| 04:52.50 | Ilovemypuppy | 2.6 |
| 04:52.52 | Cyis | If you best friend wants to go get freaky with the crazy chic with herpes... is he really gonna reconsider if you tell him not to? |
| 04:52.56 | Ilovemypuppy | my celeron is 3.65 |
| 04:53.16 | Guerin | Cyis: your stupid analogy is invalid. |
| 04:53.18 | sid | Cyis: This is for #debian-offtopic (don't share a toilet with that guy) |
| 04:53.21 | fgxn | Anyone around who can walk me through how udev decides which file in /etc/udev to read? |
| 04:53.22 | Ilovemypuppy | Cyis, yes, as he's itching himself like mad |
| 04:53.24 | Cyis | guess that really depends on how bad he wants it |
| 04:53.37 | Guerin | Cyis: no, on how stupid he is. |
| 04:54.44 | Cyis | Guerin: no the analogy is not invalid... a lil extreme and ludicris but that was my point... |
| 04:55.29 | jesdynf | Ilovemypuppy: Well, being able to install it, launch it or build it from source would apparently be a plus. |
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| 04:55.57 | Ilovemypuppy | jesdynf, just thinking i might be able to contribute |
| 04:56.07 | Ilovemypuppy | i probably should have known better :)) |
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| 04:57.33 | Ilovemypuppy | i bet when they learned how to ddos you out of spite it helped |
| 04:57.46 | jesdynf | Cyis: Grew older maybe, grow up -- never. Say, want ops on #2,000? |
| 04:57.53 | Guerin | Cyis: you again mistake sanity for elitism. If people want to *use* experimental, let them. Just don't encourage them, and don't bother to help them when they fuck themselves up. |
| 04:58.04 | Guerin | jesdynf: heh. |
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| 04:58.24 | bbldy | OT? |
| 04:58.27 | Cyis | See I guess we come from different eras then... |
| 04:58.39 | bbldy | This is a Debian Support Channel. |
| 04:58.47 | Guerin | Cyis: is this the bit where you try to pull rank on me by citing your years of experience? |
| 04:58.52 | Guerin | bbldy: yes. |
| 04:59.00 | Cyis | when I was younger your parents put the big ass TV on the flimsy cart... you learned not to try climbing it cause that tv hurt when it landed on top of you |
| 04:59.14 | Guerin | my parents did no such thing |
| 04:59.27 | Guerin | so i'm not sure what you're driving at... |
| 04:59.47 | Ilovemypuppy | Cyis, that explains the whole pug look |
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| 05:00.51 | Cyis | Guerin: if they're deadset to run experimental ... more power to them... when they lick their wounds after it blows up in their face maybe they'll think twice the next time |
| 05:01.30 | Guerin | Cyis: yes, but it needs to be *their* stupid decision, not something that someone else has suggested or recommended to them. That's my only point. |
| 05:01.43 | sid | Is today Sunday? what is up with #debian |
| 05:01.50 | Guerin | but carry on grasping at the details if you prefer |
| 05:02.02 | Cyis | Guerin: I'd have to double check my log but I believe the individual came in asking how... it wasn't suggested |
| 05:02.12 | amphi | !sunday |
| 05:02.12 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:02.33 | Rusty1 | fgxn: http://www.linuxcommand.org/man_pages/udev8.html fwiw |
| 05:02.34 | Guerin | Cyis: and the answer to the question of `how' is `if you have to ask, you shouldn't' |
| 05:02.49 | Ilovemypuppy | i want soft serve ice cream, a sandwich, a soda, and maybe some ben and jerrys |
| 05:02.52 | Guerin | Cyis: the corollary being that if they want to bad enough, they'll find a way |
| 05:05.20 | Guerin | Congratulations to all #debian's Turkmen, by the way. You may now grow that beard you've always wanted. |
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| 05:07.00 | amphi | Guerin: beards were banned in Turkmenistan? |
| 05:08.21 | Guerin | amphi: famously, a bizarre law in place populated by muslims |
| 05:08.46 | amphi | Guerin: heh, I hadn't heard that - so it's been repealed? |
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| 05:09.08 | Guerin | no, the Iron President Niyazov dued |
| 05:09.12 | Guerin | died, too |
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| 05:09.21 | Guerin | now they get to have a civil war over a successor |
| 05:09.28 | Skiver | hello. |
| 05:09.40 | Guerin | hopefully it'll be as minor as the Kyrgyz |
| 05:10.24 | amphi | Guerin: Niyazov dead? good-oh |
| 05:10.41 | Guerin | amphi: one less dictator in the world. |
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| 05:11.23 | muhoo | this is bizarre. on a sarge NFS fileserver system, with a 3x59x card in it, if an NFS client shuts down, it hangs the ethernet adapter ON THE SERVER! |
| 05:11.36 | muhoo | no ethernet goes in and out |
| 05:11.38 | Guerin | mm |
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| 05:11.48 | muhoo | only way to fix it is to hit the serial console, and ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 05:11.49 | Guerin | that sounds like a flakey eth card to me |
| 05:11.51 | muhoo | then everything is fine again |
| 05:12.11 | muhoo | ok NP, got tons of PCI ethernet cards around here, will try |
| 05:12.46 | gouki | Has anyone had problems on the NIC installation of the current Sarge release? modprobe fails to load the necessary module |
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| 05:12.46 | Guerin | gouki: what card? |
| 05:12.47 | muhoo | Guerin: that was my first instinct. thanks, will schedule PM on it tomorrow and swap out |
| 05:12.50 | Guerin | muhoo: percussive maintenance? |
| 05:12.54 | bbldy | gouki; it's not a bug. promise. :) |
| 05:13.01 | gouki | Guerin: Just a second |
| 05:13.09 | muhoo | Guerin: heh, yeah, got a sledgehammer right here |
| 05:13.41 | gouki | bbldy: Hehehe |
| 05:13.42 | mrynit|debian | how do i check to see if a printer daemon is running on my parallel port? |
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| 05:14.24 | Guerin | mrynit|debian: a printer daemon doesn't run on a parallel port |
| 05:14.25 | gouki | Guerin: Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c940 10/100/1000Base-T [Marvell] |
| 05:14.25 | mrynit|debian | parport parport_pc ppdev are running |
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| 05:14.44 | illwolf | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 05:14.44 | illwolf | permitted by applicable law. |
| 05:14.48 | Guerin | mrynit|debian: if you plug a printer in, you should see some output in dmesg |
| 05:14.48 | illwolf | how do i change that? |
| 05:15.05 | illwolf | thats the msg when loggin from shell |
| 05:15.12 | illwolf | how can i change THAT? |
| 05:15.18 | amphi | illwolf: /etc/issue IIRC |
| 05:15.19 | Guerin | illwolf: rgrep ABSOLUTELY /etc |
| 05:15.28 | Guerin | it's one of issue, motd or another one |
| 05:15.35 | amphi | illwolf: why do you care? |
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| 05:15.44 | illwolf | i care coz i like caring |
| 05:15.52 | illwolf | like i care for you <3 |
| 05:15.55 | mrynit|debian | Guerin ok so by default there is nothing using the printer port unless i have some hardware plugged into it? |
| 05:16.02 | Guerin | mrynit|debian: right |
| 05:16.16 | mrynit|etch | thanks |
| 05:16.24 | illwolf | your welcome |
| 05:16.35 | gouki | Guerin: Are you going to tell me something regarding the NIC information? |
| 05:17.54 | mrynit|etch | Guerin: i do have these modulas running: parport parport_pc ppdev . thats normal i assume? |
| 05:17.59 | illwolf | lets say i edited etc/motd? |
| 05:17.59 | Guerin | gouki: what does google say? That may not be supported by the sarge install kernel |
| 05:18.00 | illwolf | and |
| 05:18.07 | Guerin | mrynit|etch: yeh |
| 05:18.13 | illwolf | i wanna add $os $systeminfo |
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| 05:18.17 | illwolf | will it display it ? |
| 05:18.26 | hans0lo | I've been using apt-cacher for about 3 months now, and in the last month or so, I keep getting BADSIG errors on apt-get update's. Google provided some suggestions in my past searches that fix the problem for a few days, then back to the errors.. |
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| 05:18.47 | gouki | Guerin: It was on supported on the previous Sarge release. |
| 05:18.56 | Guerin | hans0lo: badsig meaning it can't verify the package signatures, or what? |
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| 05:19.25 | Guerin | gouki: which kernel are you using? And which installer? |
| 05:19.30 | gouki | Guerin: I also get an error on the network hardware part: Error while running modprobe -v 8139too |
| 05:19.38 | hans0lo | Guerin: GPG errors, following signature is invalid <string of numbers> |
| 05:19.46 | Guerin | hans0lo: see topic |
| 05:19.56 | Guerin | gouki: ok, that module definitely works |
| 05:20.35 | gouki | Guerin: Have you tested the new release (using a NIC that uses that module)? |
| 05:20.55 | Guerin | gouki: the last sarge box I installed was in 2004 some time |
| 05:21.29 | Guerin | gouki: but honestly, 8139too is one of the most widely-used eth modules there is |
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| 05:22.07 | gouki | Guerin: Two copies of the .ISO were downloaded and both with MD5 sums checked. Still, not working NIC :S |
| 05:22.20 | Guerin | gouki: which installer? r4? |
| 05:22.25 | illwolf | ok |
| 05:22.28 | gouki | Guerin: yeah |
| 05:22.30 | illwolf | whats IPTABLES? |
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| 05:22.36 | Guerin | gouki: and which worked? |
| 05:22.40 | Guerin | !fgi illwolf iptables |
| 05:22.40 | dpkg | illwolf: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=iptables |
| 05:22.53 | gouki | !iptables | illwolf |
| 05:23.14 | gouki | Guerin: Previous, I'm guessing R3 |
| 05:23.22 | illwolf | aha |
| 05:23.24 | illwolf | ok |
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| 05:23.32 | illwolf | whats the best firewall ? |
| 05:23.34 | Guerin | gouki: well, either use that one, or perhaps try the sarge 2.6.18 installer |
| 05:23.53 | Guerin | illwolf: the one you understand. If that's none, then none is the best. |
| 05:23.57 | gouki | Guerin: That's testing, right? |
| 05:23.59 | Cyis | illwolf: a pair of scissors |
| 05:24.02 | Guerin | gouki: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 05:24.05 | sid | good answer Guerin |
| 05:24.06 | illwolf | ur funny have a metel |
| 05:24.20 | Guerin | gouki: nope, someone has backported the kernel to d-i sarge |
| 05:24.22 | sid | illwolf: He's right. the firewall you understand the best is the one you should use. |
| 05:24.26 | Guerin | i'm serious |
| 05:24.31 | illwolf | what if i never used one ? |
| 05:24.42 | Guerin | if you're installing a firewall because you think you should have one, chances are you're better opff without one |
| 05:24.43 | illwolf | which one should i download ha ? |
| 05:24.53 | illwolf | fair eunff lad. |
| 05:24.56 | Guerin | illwolf: none, until you get some clue about what you want it to do. |
| 05:25.03 | hans0lo | illwolf: firestarter is very simple for a beginner |
| 05:25.04 | sid | !fgi illwolf how does a firewall work linux |
| 05:25.04 | dpkg | illwolf: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=how does a firewall work linux |
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| 05:25.12 | kinection | how do I get something to run on startup? what's the correct debian approach to doing this? |
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| 05:25.15 | sid | bleh, dpkg is broken |
| 05:25.33 | illwolf | sid stfu i get the pount |
| 05:25.37 | illwolf | *point |
| 05:25.44 | sid | kinection: I would make a script in /etc/init.d/scriptname, then I would make a symbolic link to it for your run level. |
| 05:26.05 | Guerin | kinection: there's a simple way and a proper way: the proper way is to write an init script from the sample provided as /etc/init.d/skeleton ; the simple way is to use bootmisc.sh |
| 05:26.10 | gouki | Guerin: Isn't there a netinst with that d-i? |
| 05:26.20 | illwolf | hans0lo cheers mate |
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| 05:26.23 | kinection | Guerin: what makes bootmisc.sh improper? |
| 05:26.26 | Guerin | gouki: yes, there is. Ask dpkg about it. |
| 05:26.27 | sid | kinection: So by default your run level is /etc/rc2.d; check that directory and do ls -al on one of the files, and you should be able to figure out how to make your own scripts.(the numbers are ordered for what starts first) |
| 05:26.48 | gouki | Guerin: I ain't that good getting information out a bot :( |
| 05:27.11 | sid | !tell kinection about init.d |
| 05:27.16 | Guerin | kinection: it's less robust in that the thing you start isn't handled by start-stop-daemon - it's normally just one line and you hope it works |
| 05:27.23 | sid | kinection: The docs file dpkg messaged you is also very helpful. |
| 05:27.28 | Guerin | gouki: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 05:28.07 | kinection | sid: thanks |
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| 05:28.40 | kinection | Guerin: oh, gotcha. i thought the script was used to help with the adding of run scripts, not that you would actually go in and edit it |
| 05:28.53 | kuehnan | which program does the kde background slideshow use? |
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| 05:29.19 | Guerin | kuehnan: probably kuickshow, but ask #kde |
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| 05:30.02 | gouki | Guerin: Thank you |
| 05:30.11 | ndowens | what laptop do you recommend for debian? |
| 05:30.13 | kuehnan | Guerin: i have tried kuickshow. its different. any slideshow program with various opening and closing styles? |
| 05:30.34 | Guerin | kuehnan: no idea |
| 05:30.38 | kuehnan | k |
| 05:30.45 | sid | kuehnan: OpenOffice.org Impress? |
| 05:30.53 | kuehnan | k |
| 05:30.55 | amphi | ndowens: my thinkpad works well, as do many other types |
| 05:30.57 | Guerin | ndowens: the one you like from linux-laptops.net |
| 05:31.12 | Guerin | thinkpads were a good bet, dunno about the new lenovo ones |
| 05:31.23 | kuehnan | does debian run on Turion 64 processor? |
| 05:31.37 | amphi | Guerin: several people have told me the t60 is a very nice machine |
| 05:31.53 | Guerin | kuehnan: it's just an x86, so yes. |
| 05:32.00 | hans0lo | ndowens: I run debian on 4 old laptops (150mhz to 400mhz) and it works great on all of them |
| 05:32.05 | amphi | I think the t42 that I have is the last type made before it went to lenovo |
| 05:32.19 | kuehnan | Guerin: its AMD's, and 64-bit. |
| 05:32.19 | Guerin | amphi: ah, I have a t42 as well, it owns. |
| 05:32.24 | amphi | but lenovo was making them before in any case |
| 05:32.26 | Guerin | kuehnan: yes. |
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| 05:32.49 | Guerin | kuehnan: they're 100% x86 compatible; debian also has an amd64 arch. |
| 05:32.52 | ndowens | ah, well we are looking for a laptop and plan to install debian. thought about hp, toshiba or dell |
| 05:32.53 | amphi | Guerin: yeah, they're nice; cheap now too ;) |
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| 05:33.11 | Guerin | ndowens: out of those, toshiba is the only one I'd buy from |
| 05:33.18 | kuehnan | Guerin: which kernel package to use? |
| 05:33.31 | sid | ndowens: Generally Thinkpad laptops are the most GNU/Linux friendly with my experiences. ndowens they're also the worst for being enviromentally friendly. |
| 05:33.43 | Cyis | yeah I'd get a Turion 64 laptop next week if I didn't have rent and a truck payment to make |
| 05:34.00 | Guerin | i had a toshi tecra 8000, made in 1997, and it died earlier this year when a clumsy person knocked it off a table onto a marble floor, and it landed on the power input |
| 05:34.11 | Guerin | the laptop was still fine, but the socket was fucked |
| 05:34.26 | illwolf | how can i fix my namerservers ? |
| 05:34.27 | kuehnan | Cyis: thinking of a Dell ? |
| 05:34.28 | Guerin | kuehnan: whichever one suits your box? |
| 05:34.29 | hans0lo | Guerin: solder and epoxy :) |
| 05:34.37 | amphi | illwolf: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:34.46 | Cyis | kuehnan: We have a lot of Dell's at the office |
| 05:34.53 | illwolf | amphi what up do i insert ? |
| 05:35.04 | Cyis | I've also ran Debian on Toshiba's and Sony Vaio's |
| 05:35.25 | Guerin | hans0lo: i was in the middle of vietnam and about to get on a boat to cambodia, so I traded it for some beers to the hotelier |
| 05:35.30 | illwolf | amphi what ip do i insert ? *** |
| 05:35.31 | amphi | illwolf: nameserver 123.45.67.89 |
| 05:35.36 | kuehnan | Cyis: u were thinking about a Turion 64. I wonder if it would be a Dell. other brands based on that CPU? |
| 05:35.45 | illwolf | anymore ? |
| 05:35.56 | amphi | illwolf: replacing those numbers with the ip of your isp's dns server |
| 05:36.09 | Guerin | ok, has anyone actually successfully used gnash to play flash animations on the interwebs? |
| 05:36.11 | illwolf | and how do i find my isp's dns server ? |
| 05:36.16 | Cyis | kuehnan: lots of laptop vendors have Turion 64 processors... Dell, Presario, HP, etc |
| 05:36.25 | geo-rge | illwolf: ask them? |
| 05:36.39 | illwolf | there not home atm |
| 05:36.40 | ndowens | thanks for your opinions |
| 05:36.41 | amphi | illwolf: ask them? you may see them in the log when you connect, dunno |
| 05:36.51 | kuehnan | any Lenovo based on Turion 64? |
| 05:36.52 | illwolf | k |
| 05:37.01 | amphi | sid: how are stinkpads environmentally unfriendly? |
| 05:37.12 | Cyis | kuehnan: not sure... |
| 05:37.32 | geo-rge | illwolf: don't some dns addresses get sent to you, on dhcp or something |
| 05:37.52 | chuckkh | someone suggested I unload all the sound modules, clear dmesg, and reload the modules |
| 05:38.09 | chuckkh | can anyone tell me what commands' man pages I need to see to unload and reload all sound modules? |
| 05:38.17 | hans0lo | illwolf: you're in this channel, so the computer you're on should have DNS configured.. check that address |
| 05:38.17 | geo-rge | or you could just tail -f the log |
| 05:38.24 | kuehnan | the current OS are 32-bit. what's the use of having a 64-bit proc? |
| 05:38.27 | SerajewelKS | yikes |
| 05:38.34 | Guerin | illwolf: it will probably be ns[01..n].yourisp.com |
| 05:38.35 | SerajewelKS | beryl destroys xvideo |
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| 05:38.56 | amphi | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 05:38.57 | Guerin | illwolf: you can also use 4.2.2.[23456] |
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| 05:39.45 | SerajewelKS | hmm maybe not... |
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| 05:39.54 | ApEtc | chuckkh: Perhaps modconf, insmod, modprobe and rmmod |
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| 05:40.09 | chuckkh | ApEtc: thanks I'll check em |
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| 05:42.10 | SerajewelKS | well it's tearing a lot =/ |
| 05:42.25 | gouki | Guerin: Well, it's definatly not my fault. d-i from the link dpkg gave me worked like a charm. Detected all my NIC's and modprobe worked fine. I think we can safely say it's a bug |
| 05:43.01 | Guerin | gouki: ok, funky. File a bug against the r4 installer, specifying which previous installer worked |
| 05:43.09 | geo-rge | illwolf: don't some dns addresses get sent to you, on dhcp or something? |
| 05:43.20 | Guerin | gouki: sort of moot given that etch will be out soon, but do it anyway |
| 05:43.35 | geo-rge | more basic: when you connect to your isp, can you ping google.com? |
| 05:43.53 | ndowens | on linux laptops, if one distro will work fine on it, wonder if deb will |
| 05:44.10 | gouki | Guerin: Can you help me out submitting the bug, if I need help? |
| 05:44.20 | alexcamilo | Hello How do i disable debian's X based gui login. I installed x-window-system using apt-get and then added the program to .xinitrc and it worked fine until i restarted. now i have a gui and when i log in i get this very minimalistic window manager instead of the program i wanted |
| 05:44.22 | geo-rge | ndowens: kernels support hardware, not dists |
| 05:44.41 | tuv | ndowens, debian testing most probably will, if you know what you're doing |
| 05:44.45 | alexcamilo | is there a way to go back to the text based login? |
| 05:44.52 | ndowens | geo-rge: yea i know, so it should be fine right |
| 05:44.56 | ndowens | yea i have etch right now |
| 05:45.02 | Guerin | gouki: i'm going to the pub soon; it's not that hard |
| 05:45.16 | geo-rge | ndowens: on your laptop? is it working so far? |
| 05:45.23 | Guerin | alexcamilo: aptitude remove xdm gdm kdm |
| 05:45.30 | liable | ndowens: with a bit of work, distros like ubuntu have non free drivers and such included in the kernels |
| 05:45.35 | alexcamilo | can i use apt-get? |
| 05:45.41 | alexcamilo | i dont know if i have aptotude |
| 05:45.52 | tuv | geo-rge, to end-users, poping up apps automatically when connecting hardware is what's meant by hardware support |
| 05:45.58 | Guerin | alexcamilo: you do unless you're running sarge, in which case youn should install it |
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| 05:46.01 | ndowens | it would be nice not to have to use nonfree drivers lol |
| 05:46.18 | geo-rge | tuv: but that's not actually what's happening |
| 05:47.02 | tuv | geo-rge, no it's not. but an end-user who'se used to windows can't see that |
| 05:47.06 | jesdynf | So when did apt-get get deprecated, anyways? Last I checked... which was a while ago... apt-get was better than the alternatives. |
| 05:47.13 | geo-rge | tuv: if they want a poppyuppypuppythingy, that goes outside |
| 05:47.20 | ndowens | don't have etch on a laptop, shopping for our first laptop, don't know a lot about them lol |
| 05:47.21 | alexcamilo | why is it removing x-window-system? |
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| 05:47.23 | alexcamilo | lol |
| 05:47.42 | Guerin | alexcamilo: x-w-s is a metapackage, like a placeholder, which drags in a bunch of additional stuff |
| 05:47.43 | geo-rge | jesdynf: right after it was created. |
| 05:47.45 | Guerin | be unconcerned |
| 05:47.51 | alexcamilo | oh |
| 05:47.57 | tuv | ndowens, look for one reported to work well with linux |
| 05:48.04 | geo-rge | was only meant as a test of libapt |
| 05:48.05 | Guerin | !laptop |
| 05:48.05 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 05:48.10 | Guerin | ndowens: ↑ |
| 05:48.15 | alexcamilo | so is that why the x windowing system is still there? |
| 05:48.21 | tuv | Guerin, nice little arrow |
| 05:48.30 | Guerin | tuv: utf-8 FTW |
| 05:48.42 | tuv | Guerin, FTW? |
| 05:48.44 | Guerin | alexcamilo: eh? |
| 05:48.46 | Guerin | !ftw |
| 05:48.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ftw is wtf backwards, or for the win |
| 05:49.02 | geo-rge | alexcamilo: you don't want any x |
| 05:49.03 | geo-rge | ? |
| 05:49.22 | alexcamilo | startx still works. but it said that it was removing x-window-system. is it because x-window-system was a metapackage? |
| 05:49.32 | tuv | Guerin, so there has to be an 'f' in every combination |
| 05:49.38 | Guerin | alexcamilo: yes. |
| 05:49.51 | Guerin | tuv: htfsik? |
| 05:50.00 | alexcamilo | oh. this makes sense. thanx! |
| 05:50.15 | geo-rge | x-window-system is otherwise an empty shell (kinda like a dead klingon) |
| 05:50.16 | tuv | Guerin, there is an 'f' there, so i don't want to know what it is |
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| 05:51.04 | ndowens | well i see one that has ubuntu on it |
| 05:51.08 | geo-rge | freakazoid |
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| 05:51.46 | alexcamilo | I'm setting up a very basic kiosk for my school using dillo, debian, and the x server (no window manager). any advice or tips? |
| 05:52.01 | Guerin | alexcamilo: dillo is awful, use firefox |
| 05:52.06 | jesdynf | Hey, now I'm curious. I'm following rcS.d and rc2.d, and I just can't figure out where X is getting launched. Someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 05:52.23 | tuv | jesdynf, probably gdm |
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| 05:52.35 | alexcamilo | will firefox work on a 333ghz cmalshell with 32mb ram? |
| 05:52.37 | Guerin | alexcamilo: use something like evilwm, which has no window borders or such |
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| 05:52.49 | Guerin | alexcamilo: if it's the only thing working, yeah |
| 05:53.10 | jesdynf | tuv: GDM owns X? Wow. I thought it was the other way around. |
| 05:53.30 | tuv | jesdynf, /etc/init.d/gdm starts X |
| 05:53.40 | Guerin | jesdynf: gdm starts x, then when you log into it, it hands off to the user which logged in |
| 05:53.54 | alexcamilo | is there any way to configure firefox to hide all the menubar crud and start fullscreen. (kinda like dillo's config file) |
| 05:54.21 | Guerin | alexcamilo: you'd be saner to do it through a windowmanager, such as evilwm which has none of that stuff by default |
| 05:54.29 | Guerin | alexcamilo: firefox can be started fullscreen, though |
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| 05:55.41 | Guerin | alexcamilo: of course, if you want it properly locked down, evilwm isn't going to be good enough, since you can trivially start a shell or kill the running program with keystrokes |
| 05:56.00 | alexcamilo | how bout a trackball? |
| 05:56.19 | alexcamilo | and right click |
| 05:56.27 | Guerin | trackball can't do much. No keyboard? |
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| 05:57.01 | jesdynf | Obviously, the simplest thing to do here is patch Mozilla. |
| 05:57.10 | Guerin | hahaa |
| 05:57.40 | alexcamilo | whell they don't want to show anything that would need a keyboard |
| 05:57.47 | geo-rge | gdm is a client |
| 05:57.50 | alexcamilo | but its possible in the future. |
| 05:58.23 | alexcamilo | i see your point.... ctrl alt del would kill the wm and drop em into a shell.... |
| 05:58.28 | alexcamilo | or login |
| 05:58.58 | alexcamilo | ctrl option del (srry) |
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| 05:59.09 | Guerin | alexcamilo: cool. echo -e 'firefox -width 1024 -height 768 &\nexec evilwm\n' > .xsession |
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| 05:59.41 | chuckkh | ok, I want to remove all the audio modules, and then reinsert them |
| 05:59.54 | chuckkh | is there a shortcut, or do I have to do them one by one? |
| 06:01.03 | krazykit | chuckkh: i don't think rmmod supports wildcards... so either one by one or use a shell that will autocomplete loaded modules |
| 06:01.17 | james__ | what's with all this iceape/iceweasel/icedove stuff? |
| 06:01.48 | ndowens | iceweasel=firefox |
| 06:01.56 | james__ | yah i know that |
| 06:01.57 | ndowens | icedove=thunderbird |
| 06:02.02 | liable | modprobe -r should take care of the dependancies |
| 06:02.12 | james__ | but it's retarded that debian has to fork off from them |
| 06:02.14 | krazykit | long story short, the icon is non-free and mozilla wants all patches run by them. |
| 06:02.19 | ndowens | james__: trademark problem |
| 06:02.23 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 06:02.38 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: or force-reload |
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| 06:02.52 | chuckkh | say cool thanks |
| 06:03.12 | chuckkh | teledyn__: that's just for reloading right |
| 06:03.26 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: ? |
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| 06:03.54 | chuckkh | I mean, /etc/init.d/alsa reload won't unload them |
| 06:03.58 | ndowens | tuv: do u think this would work w/ etch http://vital.org.nz/linux-on-tecra-a6.html |
| 06:04.02 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: yes it will |
| 06:04.04 | chuckkh | I need to unload, then clear dmesg, then reload |
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| 06:04.30 | chuckkh | hmm, I guess I could just clear dmesg and then reload |
| 06:04.59 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: run it with no arguments to see the usage options |
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| 06:05.22 | chugga | Can someone suggest a good web-browser to install? |
| 06:05.31 | james__ | iceweasel |
| 06:05.43 | james__ | since we don't have firefox in debian anymore... |
| 06:05.54 | chuckkh | interesting |
| 06:06.10 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I unloaded, then cleared dmesg, then typed in the command to reload |
| 06:06.19 | chuckkh | and it can't reload as there is nothing loaded |
| 06:06.29 | chugga | would rather not use firefox |
| 06:06.36 | jesdynf | james__: Err, how'd I get Firefox installed? I didn't think I did anything special... |
| 06:06.45 | nevyn | chugga: I like konq |
| 06:06.52 | chuckkh | I love it |
| 06:06.56 | ndowens | geo-rge: do u think this one would work with etch good http://vital.org.nz/linux-on-tecra-a6.html |
| 06:07.07 | iLLf8d | james__, wonder who came up with iceweasel as a name |
| 06:07.12 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: you asked how to completely remove the modules and reload them. i gave you that command. |
| 06:07.13 | nevyn | chugga: but iceweasel has wide support |
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| 06:07.18 | nevyn | iLLf8d: debian-devel |
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| 06:07.29 | chuckkh | teledyn__: thank you |
| 06:07.35 | iLLf8d | nevyn, yeah probably the same guys that made the toilet flush debian logo |
| 06:07.44 | chuckkh | teledyn__: any idea how I can reload them if I've unloaded them? |
| 06:07.50 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: read the usage output of the alsa rc script and you'll see there are more options |
| 06:08.30 | chugga | i have firefox installed already. My problem with it is that it becomes increasingly sluggish the longer it runs. I think there are some memory issues involved there... |
| 06:08.52 | teledyn__ | chugga: try running the top command and see if its hogging up resources |
| 06:08.55 | chuckkh | I see the options it lists with no arguments |
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| 06:09.25 | chugga | teledyn__, i am sure it is to blame. Once i restart it my system becomes much more useable |
| 06:09.25 | james__ | why can't they just put firefox in non-free, and let us all download firefox? |
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| 06:09.42 | chuckkh | can anyone tell me how to read the usage output of the alsa rc script? |
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| 06:10.09 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: /etc/init.c/alsa run that |
| 06:10.14 | nevyn | james__: because it's availible as free software.. |
| 06:10.19 | nevyn | but firefox isn't ;) |
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| 06:10.28 | james__ | well firefox-nonfree |
| 06:10.29 | chuckkh | teledyn__: don't no exist |
| 06:10.46 | james__ | and then with one download from non-free we can get the icon and the real name |
| 06:11.09 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: ls /etc/init.d/alsa* |
| 06:11.09 | nevyn | james__: why? |
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| 06:11.25 | nevyn | james__: it's not part of debian's goals to promote firefox |
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| 06:11.36 | chuckkh | teledyn__: ok, /alsa, /alsasound, /alsa-utils |
| 06:11.42 | nevyn | why is it in debians interest to promote/provide restricted software/data? |
| 06:11.52 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: yeah try one of those |
| 06:12.01 | chuckkh | ok thanks |
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| 06:12.49 | nevyn | james__: how does it advance the goal of provideing a free software system to provide a non-free component? |
| 06:12.51 | james__ | so now they are gonna put a lot more work on themselves... all over an icon? |
| 06:12.55 | sep | james__, the icons and the name is of minor issues. the main issue is that debian can not patch firefox for security issues without prior approval of mozilla. and when mozillas answer to most security problems involves upgrading to a new version firefox. that wont work in stable. |
| 06:13.11 | chugga | nevyn, how does it not? |
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| 06:13.19 | chuckkh | teledyn__: still tells me none loaded |
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| 06:13.33 | iLLf8d | nevyn, there are a bunch of non-free items available either way not that I care if its called iceweasel or firefox myself |
| 06:13.45 | chuckkh | hmm |
| 06:13.55 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: /etc/init.d/alsa... start or load |
| 06:14.04 | nevyn | chugga: there's a variety of ways it impinges the goals of debian to distribute firefox |
| 06:14.06 | TraceGreen | Hello, my hardisk has a host protected area, I want to assess it in my debian system, how can i do it? |
| 06:14.09 | nevyn | the update issue is serious |
| 06:14.10 | chuckkh | teledyn__: tried both, neither is a command |
| 06:14.14 | iLLf8d | nevyn, although the comment about debians interests really should be the interests of debians users since the distribution isn't alive |
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| 06:14.38 | deebu | how does the etch default desktop look like?? |
| 06:14.49 | chugga | nevyn, that doesnt answer the question though |
| 06:14.52 | nevyn | iLLf8d: well.. yes and debians users should get what debian advertises and provides |
| 06:14.55 | chuckkh | deebu: I install etch every few weeks and it looks different each time |
| 06:15.08 | nevyn | which is a secure tested reliable free software platform |
| 06:15.17 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: one of the scripts in /etc/init.d should do it. you have to find out which one. run them all and see what options they have. |
| 06:15.28 | alexcamilo | is there an easy way of getting firefox 1.5 or would it be best compiling it from source? |
| 06:15.34 | alexcamilo | on ppc debian |
| 06:15.34 | nevyn | iLLf8d: if they were to distribute firefox they couldn't provide secure and reliable. |
| 06:15.44 | iLLf8d | nevyn, yeah I guess I don't see the big deal for or against iceweasel given that there is a non-free available I'd have thought it would've been rolled twice |
| 06:15.56 | iLLf8d | nevyn, once as iceweasel and once as firefox (not that I care really) |
| 06:16.04 | deebu | chuckkh, really? but what do u find common in all of em? a bluey theme? whats the wallpaper like in latest weekly build? |
| 06:16.08 | chuckkh | thanks teledyn |
| 06:16.09 | nevyn | iLLf8d: but then... |
| 06:16.12 | nevyn | in stable |
| 06:16.22 | nevyn | iceweasel would get security updates |
| 06:16.28 | chuckkh | deebu: yeah usually bluey, I now have rc1 |
| 06:16.29 | nevyn | but firefox-nonfree wouldn't |
| 06:16.36 | deebu | can etch final manage to ship with FF 2.0? |
| 06:16.50 | chuckkh | the logo is actually mostly off-screen, only the lower left part is visible |
| 06:16.51 | deebu | can etch final manage to ship with iceweasel 2.0? |
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| 06:17.01 | iLLf8d | nevyn, yup |
| 06:17.26 | deebu | chuckkh, i hope it gets fixed in final.. |
| 06:17.42 | iLLf8d | nevyn, like I said i'm indifferent myself but I was surprised it wasn't pushed non-free also |
| 06:17.44 | chuckkh | deebu: I think it's supposed to be that way |
| 06:17.53 | chuckkh | it's "postmodern" |
| 06:17.58 | chugga | hmm opera is very slick. if it works more efficiently with memory left running on its own i will switch to it permently |
| 06:18.08 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: i'm running etch so i don't know what rc scripts there are for sarge |
| 06:18.23 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I'm running etch too |
| 06:18.23 | deebu | chuckkh, i see.....do u recommend i install rc1 or weekly one? |
| 06:18.41 | chuckkh | deebu: I dunno, debian.org suggested rc1 |
| 06:18.47 | iLLf8d | iceweasel seems to work fine here and even the firefox about is still in it |
| 06:18.52 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: well fuck - /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start run the script man |
| 06:18.56 | deebu | chugga, opera is good no doubt..but its not compatible with gmail |
| 06:18.57 | chuckkh | deebu: I have lots of problems, but I never haven't |
| 06:19.19 | deebu | chuckkh, really? problems with rc1? |
| 06:19.23 | chuckkh | teledyn__: lol, still says none loaded |
| 06:19.35 | protocol1 | I just use the firefox that comes with etch |
| 06:19.42 | chuckkh | deebu: I have had problems with every version of every distro I've ever tried |
| 06:19.44 | protocol1 | stable enough |
| 06:19.52 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: what does aplay -l say? |
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| 06:20.05 | deebu | chuckkh, whoa! |
| 06:20.13 | chuckkh | teledyn__: nothing |
| 06:20.22 | deebu | can etch final manage to ship with iceweasel 2.0? |
| 06:20.25 | chugga | deebu, how so? |
| 06:20.27 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: then just manually modprobe the module |
| 06:20.52 | chuckkh | :( |
| 06:20.56 | chuckkh | I don't know what it was |
| 06:21.00 | chuckkh | which they were |
| 06:21.05 | chuckkh | I'll reboot, that works in Windows |
| 06:21.08 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: what does lspci report your sound card as? |
| 06:21.16 | teledyn__ | don't reboot! |
| 06:21.16 | sep | wine likes to alter the screen resolution, and does something funny with the brightness and colors. is there a quicker way to reset it to "sane" then having to relogin ? |
| 06:21.21 | deebu | chugga, it loads gmail inbox in simple html view..not standard view.. |
| 06:21.33 | chugga | deebu, ah, okay. havent come across that yet |
| 06:21.47 | deebu | protocol1, firefox 1.5? |
| 06:22.16 | chuckkh | teledyn__: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01) |
| 06:22.41 | sep | deebu, 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.7-2 i use it too, runs for weeks no issues |
| 06:22.55 | chugga | deebu, actually that might be a good thing. Who needs all that bloat? |
| 06:23.12 | protocol1 | yup |
| 06:23.17 | protocol1 | 1.5.0.7 |
| 06:23.24 | protocol1 | to be exact |
| 06:23.37 | teledyn__ | so chuckkh google for ati SB450 alsa module |
| 06:23.37 | deebu | chugga, i beg to differ...its not bloat...it aloows u more functionality..like deleting msgs and chatting! |
| 06:23.51 | deebu | sep, is 2.0 too crashy? |
| 06:24.13 | sep | deebu, i dont know i use what's in etch, buecouse i need to USE my computer not PLAY with it. |
| 06:24.15 | chugga | deebu, i have just tried chatting and it works fine. Maybe your experience is to do with an older version? |
| 06:24.41 | kintaro0e | hey guys..what package/software that i need to install if want a sound mixer like pcdj...i want to play 2 instance of sounds and can control the volume of both sounds..any idea guys?ehehe..thanks |
| 06:24.49 | deebu | chugga, ok can u delete buttons? |
| 06:24.56 | sep | none know how to reset the brightness of the screen ? |
| 06:24.59 | deebu | chugga, ok can u see delete buttons? |
| 06:24.59 | chugga | deebu, not sure what you mean |
| 06:25.09 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: hit #1 |
| 06:25.18 | chuckkh | 1 |
| 06:25.37 | chugga | deebu, yes, i can. |
| 06:25.40 | deebu | sep, ive this bad habit of PLAYING my pc with different distros..than USING it :( |
| 06:25.54 | sep | deebu, i have other computers for that :) |
| 06:26.02 | chuckkh | teledyn__: sorry I don't follow |
| 06:26.11 | iLLf8d | deebu, I think everyone has that bad habit |
| 06:26.18 | deebu | chugga, hmmm...looks like 9.10 is a big improvement...downloading it right now...cant believe it until i test it myself..:) |
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| 06:26.37 | sep | well i guess theer's no choise then |
| 06:26.38 | chugga | deebu, i just need to sort out a few issues but from what i have seen so far, goodbye firefox :) |
| 06:26.39 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: the first hit on google gives the answer |
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| 06:26.50 | deebu | but i really do want to USE my pc for productive things rather than wasting time with diff distros.. |
| 06:27.07 | chugga | deebu, it is also incredibly responsive, not at all sluggish like FF. |
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| 06:27.54 | kinection | does anybody know how to get an init script for svnserve working? |
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| 06:27.58 | teledyn__ | deebu: you need an "s" |
| 06:28.03 | deebu | chugga, hmmm...i too liked opera more than ff....but ff offers many useful extensions! like scrapbook! u dont get all that in opera...and i use scrapbook prettty often...very useful |
| 06:28.07 | chuckkh | my god you don't know how many google searches I've done |
| 06:28.20 | deebu | teledyn__, what do u mean? |
| 06:28.21 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: well the one i just told you worked really great |
| 06:28.31 | kinection | i'm simple using a modified version of the skeleton init script, however, i have to invoke svnserve -d.. which seems to throw things off... how do i fix this? |
| 06:28.38 | chugga | deebu, nah those gimmicks are no use to me. I got tired of losing compatibility with those things following upgrades anyway |
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| 06:28.43 | teledyn__ | deebu: use your pcs - you need more than one ;-) |
| 06:28.52 | chugga | deebu, have an emacs buffer running for your notes. what more do you need? :P |
| 06:29.25 | teledyn__ | deebu: one to play on - or run vmware or just install different distros in chroots if you don't need X |
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| 06:29.25 | deebu | teledyn__, right! but i have a single pc! |
| 06:29.35 | TraceGreen | Hello, Does debian kernel support host protected area? |
| 06:29.51 | chuckkh | google for "hit #1" gives http://www.hit1radio.de |
| 06:29.54 | teledyn__ | or try xen |
| 06:30.16 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: you missed what i wrote earlier. |
| 06:30.50 | iLLf8d | sure you do |
| 06:31.35 | chuckkh | ah, I did, sorry |
| 06:31.35 | darkoh | hello, the netinstall for etch i386 in debian.org is not working, are there any other site's i can download it from? |
| 06:31.49 | chuckkh | what do you mean by "answer"???? |
| 06:32.03 | chuckkh | this is someone else asking the same question as me |
| 06:32.09 | sep | darkoh, the RC1 one ? it should work. |
| 06:32.17 | chuckkh | and getting frustrated that no one answered him |
| 06:32.18 | unlink | should i choose the userspace or kernel nfs server? |
| 06:32.28 | sep | unlink, depends on your needs |
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| 06:33.01 | darkoh | yeah i tried downloading that sep it wont save |
| 06:33.07 | unlink | sep: what would be the greatest factors influencing hte choice? |
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| 06:33.40 | sep | unlink, apt-caches show nfs-kernel-server and compare with nfs-user-server. |
| 06:33.41 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.43 | alexcamilo | is there an easy way of getting forefox 1.5 with apt get? a repository somewhare? |
| 06:33.46 | chuckkh | I found a guy through a similar thread who had a patch for the alsa drivers that would hopefully make hda-intel work on my laptop |
| 06:33.47 | linux_jones | how do i access a windows network? |
| 06:33.56 | sep | unlink, if you aer going to serve root nfs to other machines use kernel-server |
| 06:34.08 | chuckkh | and his instructions to me, after it didn't work, were to remove the sound modules, clear dmesg, and reload the sound modules |
| 06:34.13 | unlink | okay, speed is my #1 concern |
| 06:34.15 | sep | alexcamilo, on sarge ? try backports.org |
| 06:34.17 | chuckkh | now I've removed the sound modules and they won't reload |
| 06:34.26 | sep | unlink, kernel-server then |
| 06:34.45 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: if you fail to comprehend and pay attention when people offer you help, you will be spending a long time searching for things |
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| 06:34.50 | unlink | *nod* |
| 06:35.22 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I have been spending a long time, yes |
| 06:35.25 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: now you've wasted 15 minutes and i've had to type 75 words because you ignored my answer earlier |
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| 06:35.57 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I'm sorry... could you repeat the answer? |
| 06:36.04 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: no. |
| 06:36.15 | teledyn__ | i assume you have the ability to scroll up |
| 06:36.18 | chugga | Deebu, i am almost completely satisfied with opera now that i've discovered how to do the firefox equivalent of C++/C-- |
| 06:36.25 | chuckkh | teledyn__: because you could have typed far less than 75 words |
| 06:36.39 | chuckkh | I've scrolled up, I entered the google search you suggested, which I missed initially |
| 06:36.53 | chuckkh | and the first hit did not contain the answer I am looking for |
| 06:37.08 | chuckkh | I googled: ati sb450 alsa module |
| 06:37.08 | iLLf8d | chugga, whats c++/c-- do? |
| 06:37.15 | linux_jones | can anyone tell me how to acess my windows shared files from linux |
| 06:37.16 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: on the gentoo forum? |
| 06:37.37 | chugga | iLLf8d, increase/decrease font size |
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| 06:37.55 | chuckkh | no |
| 06:37.56 | alexcamilo | thankyou |
| 06:37.56 | iLLf8d | hrm must be different bindings in mine |
| 06:38.00 | chronographer | hi all |
| 06:38.04 | chuckkh | that would be hit #2 |
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| 06:38.26 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-407489.html |
| 06:38.42 | chugga | iLLf8d, hmm i see that the second sign is superflous. you only need one. cool |
| 06:38.53 | chronographer | I have successfully got debian etch running withoput gui, installed xfce4 and its goodies, now need to know how to make debian start up and run xfce??? |
| 06:38.59 | iLLf8d | chugga, ah you mean <ctrl> sorry didn't associate the big C with that |
| 06:39.06 | chronographer | some assistance would be much appreciated |
| 06:39.07 | chugga | iLLf8d, yes, i did. |
| 06:39.19 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: hits 1 and 2 are at different points in the same thread |
| 06:40.03 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I'm thoroughly thrown... I don't have this thread in either of the first two hits for the search you told me |
| 06:40.08 | iLLf8d | chugga, firefox dogged you that much? |
| 06:40.29 | chugga | iLLf8d, yes |
| 06:40.42 | chugga | iLLf8d, i mean it is much more responsive |
| 06:40.46 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: from the thread: "The correct driver is snd-hda-intel;" |
| 06:40.49 | iLLf8d | gotcha |
| 06:40.56 | chuckkh | not on the first page of google hits |
| 06:41.00 | chronographer | can some kind smart fellow help me out with my (probably really simple) predicament>>>> |
| 06:41.25 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: you could also go lookup the card at the alsa project home page |
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| 06:42.04 | iLLf8d | chronographer, did you install some dm or do you plan to start it from startx? |
| 06:42.15 | chronographer | I dont know! |
| 06:42.16 | chuckkh | teledyn__: the link you sent is a thread called "No sound on ATI integrated card"? |
| 06:42.35 | chronographer | I hoped it would just work =) |
| 06:42.39 | iLLf8d | chronographer, do you want a fancy looking login or do you want console and type startx |
| 06:42.43 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: i searched google for: ati SB450 alsa module |
| 06:42.43 | chuckkh | teledyn__: Like I said, I found someone who shared with me a patch for my chipset |
| 06:42.54 | chronographer | I have installed no program to manage gui's |
| 06:43.09 | iLLf8d | ? |
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| 06:43.14 | iLLf8d | left off my question mark |
| 06:43.21 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: just modprobe the module |
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| 06:43.37 | chronographer | I would like a fancy login! |
| 06:43.41 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 06:43.53 | chuckkh | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ati+SB450+alsa+module&btnG=Search |
| 06:43.59 | chuckkh | I did not paste that btw |
| 06:44.09 | chronographer | fancy login means that later i can install other gui and choose them to use? |
| 06:44.48 | chuckkh | teledyn__: Not sure what to modprobe |
| 06:44.57 | chuckkh | I removed everything associated with alsa |
| 06:45.00 | iLLf8d | it means you can install xdm or gdm or kdm even probably and have it launch xfce |
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| 06:45.14 | chronographer | cool |
| 06:45.16 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: snd-hda-intel |
| 06:45.25 | blahdeblah_ | Hi all. Is it normal that i should have to set up vif0.0 manually when i use Xen on etch? If so, are there any howtos for doing so? |
| 06:45.29 | chronographer | its an apt-get thing? hopefully =P |
| 06:45.30 | chuckkh | teledyn__: not snd-seq-midi or any of that? |
| 06:45.54 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: dependent modules automatically get loaded, so you only need to load the main one |
| 06:46.10 | iLLf8d | well if I were you i'd check your /usr/share/doc/xfce path and read the README.Debian file and or README.gz file |
| 06:46.17 | chuckkh | teledyn__: oh. |
| 06:46.26 | iLLf8d | chronographer, it'll tellya what your options are usually |
| 06:46.29 | chronographer | ok. |
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| 06:47.09 | iLLf8d | chronographer, and more specifically how the debian package needs to be setup to play nice with other things, often most of its configured and a line needs to be added somewhere to start it |
| 06:47.10 | JordiGH | When I try to sftp into my Debian host from an OpenBSD machine, I get "message too long" right after it authenticates. |
| 06:47.15 | JordiGH | It then disconnects. Wtf? |
| 06:47.45 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: there's also the alsaconf command |
| 06:47.55 | chronographer | sure |
| 06:47.56 | iLLf8d | chronographer, I'd check it myself but I don't have it installed atm, if it mentions gdm or xdm and you decide to use them just apt-get install it first |
| 06:48.06 | chronographer | yes |
| 06:48.31 | iLLf8d | chronographer, always read /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/README.Debian and README.gz |
| 06:48.48 | chronographer | ok |
| 06:48.56 | iLLf8d | chronographer, it saves you tons of wasted time |
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| 06:49.10 | chronographer | it would have told me what you are telling me? |
| 06:49.43 | unlink | is there a way to get login and sshd to authenticate users from a different machine on the network, in a way that plays nice with nfs? |
| 06:49.54 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: or you can run this: discover --module sound |
| 06:49.57 | iLLf8d | normally when you install something the package docs the maintainer adds tellsya what you need to get it running (at a minimal state) |
| 06:50.07 | unlink | so i don't have to maintain many passwd databases which need to correspond |
| 06:51.33 | teledyn__ | orkid: modprobe `discover --module sound` |
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| 06:52.23 | chronographer | thx iLLf8d but i gtg, my kid needs attention... |
| 06:52.36 | iLLf8d | chronographer, np have fun |
| 06:52.40 | JordiGH | Hm... dangnabit. This is just cruel. I can ssh into the machine, I can see the file that I want, but it's binary, so I can't just cat it to term and paste it where it has to go... and I can't scp it back to where I am. |
| 06:52.44 | chronographer | I will read the readmes and work things out |
| 06:52.49 | iLLf8d | lol |
| 06:52.49 | chronographer | cheeres |
| 06:52.52 | iLLf8d | cya |
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| 06:53.18 | iLLf8d | heh the first README.Debian would've told him to run xfce4-session |
| 06:53.27 | iLLf8d | but guess he couldn't manage looking at it |
| 06:53.38 | chuckkh | teledyn__: well, no sound, and jackd says alsa-snd-seq is not available |
| 06:53.47 | chuckkh | hmmmm |
| 06:53.58 | chuckkh | teledyn__: thanks though |
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| 06:54.31 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: modprobe `discover --module sound` |
| 06:54.54 | chuckkh | it's loaded |
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| 06:55.30 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: then: modprobe alsa-snd-seq |
| 06:55.38 | alvarezp | I'm puzzled. Is there any particularity to Debian from Sendmail? I just keep getting "invalid password" only for Sendmail, but POP3 and logging in works ok. |
| 06:55.41 | JordiGH | Uh-oh... I just did it. I sshed as root into where I'm supposed to go. |
| 06:55.55 | JordiGH | I probably ought to disable root logins, but for this time, dang, I'm glad it's enabled. |
| 06:56.21 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: oops that should be snd_seq not alsa_snd_seq |
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| 06:56.43 | JordiGH | Woohoo! Victory! File retrieved! |
| 06:57.52 | teledyn__ | alvarezp: password for sendmail? you authing against your sendmail? |
| 06:58.01 | alvarezp | Yes. I just want to trust authenticated users. |
| 06:58.25 | alvarezp | teledyn__: They are able to relay. |
| 06:59.05 | teledyn__ | alvarezp: i'd say read all the sendmail related docs in /usr/share/doc and copy in whatever sample m4 files you need from there |
| 06:59.10 | alvarezp | It's working on my Slack, but I don't want Debian now. |
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| 06:59.27 | teledyn__ | alvarezp: and use the sendmailconfig tool |
| 06:59.57 | Vyrus001 | why the heck is my kemap so messed up when i install deb? m=enter and enter=enter "for example", how do i fix this ? |
| 07:00.01 | alvarezp | teledyn__: Ah! I didin't know there was one! I was doing everything by hand. |
| 07:00.15 | dondelelcaro | (or in reality, resell it) |
| 07:01.04 | teledyn__ | alvarezp: but with the debian version, to support auth and other functionality, you really need to read the docs and know what sample m4 files to copy into /etc/sendmail from the /usr/share/doc/sendmail... |
| 07:01.25 | orkid | teledyn__: wrong guy |
| 07:01.25 | JordiGH | How do you choose a different frame from lynx? |
| 07:01.32 | teledyn__ | alvarezp: there may also be a comment in sendmail.mc as to which ones you need for auth |
| 07:01.46 | teledyn__ | orkid: earlier? yes, sorry. |
| 07:01.57 | orkid | np |
| 07:02.00 | orkid | yes |
| 07:02.03 | chuckkh | teledyn__: thanks, MIDI through is showing in jackctl now |
| 07:02.19 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I guess I'll have to wait to get sound |
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| 07:02.47 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: try alsaconf to set up the card |
| 07:03.23 | chuckkh | teledyn__: yeah, I did that when you suggested it |
| 07:03.29 | chuckkh | teledyn__: it looked promising |
| 07:03.41 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: well, there's always reboot |
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| 07:04.03 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: but at least you might know a bit more about sound modules and the utilities to use. |
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| 07:04.28 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: i hate having to set up jack, dmix, and all that crap |
| 07:04.43 | alvarezp | teledyn__: Thanks I'm tryng things. |
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| 07:05.30 | teledyn__ | alvarezp: i think there's also something you need to comment out in the beginning of sendmail.mc because it only listens to localhost by default |
| 07:06.05 | chuckkh | teledyn__: yes, I will remember those commands, thanks |
| 07:06.27 | chuckkh | teledyn__: someone suggested a command to send white noise to the soundcard earlier, I didn't write it down |
| 07:06.41 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: i honestly wouldn't recommend it |
| 07:06.59 | alvarezp | teledyn__: It is listening on all ports, I already set TLS configured, but there is "something" there that doesn't let me authenticate. I even already tried a test encrypted connection and Sendmail works well... except it doesn't validate my password. |
| 07:07.00 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: better to just use aplay and play a .wav file |
| 07:07.11 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I've been using Rhythmbox to load radio stations to test |
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| 07:07.51 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: there's a lot of sounds in /usr/share/sounds/ |
| 07:07.53 | chuckkh | teledyn__: but then, sometimes that doesn't play even when sound is working |
| 07:08.03 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: aplay /usr/share/sounds/bell.wav |
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| 07:08.23 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: also, use alsamixer to make sure the levels for master, pcm, etc. are up |
| 07:08.35 | teledyn__ | or alsamixergui under X |
| 07:09.00 | chuckkh | teledyn__: right, did that |
| 07:09.54 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: also, some other program could be locking the sound device. for example artsd. lsof |grep snd |
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| 07:10.08 | chuckkh | teledyn__: nothing |
| 07:10.36 | chuckkh | teledyn__: jackd was able to connect to alsa:pcm, it just didn't reach the speakers from there |
| 07:10.43 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: i'd definitely check the alsa project page and look up your card and see what advice they give |
| 07:10.48 | chuckkh | ok |
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| 07:12.35 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: you can ignore all the install info at the beginning. you obviously don't need to download the alsa source and compile the driver. |
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| 07:13.07 | alexcamilo | does anyone know how do do autologin in linux |
| 07:13.30 | teledyn__ | what a nick. themo|ester |
| 07:13.45 | teledyn__ | alexcamilo: kdm supports it |
| 07:14.09 | dondelelcaro | alexcamilo: you can also do it without a DM if you want too. |
| 07:14.25 | dondelelcaro | (but in general autologins shouldn't be used) |
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| 07:14.31 | alexcamilo | the no display manager option seems preferable |
| 07:15.06 | dondelelcaro | 6:23:respawn:/bin/su - foouser startx; in your inittab is one way. |
| 07:15.29 | alexcamilo | ah |
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| 07:17.07 | alexcamilo | how do i add something to innittab? |
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| 07:17.20 | dondelelcaro | alexcamilo: with an editor |
| 07:17.27 | alexcamilo | oh, its a file? |
| 07:17.36 | alexcamilo | ok |
| 07:17.48 | chuckkh | teledyn__: I started with compiling alsa-lib and alsa-utils, though, since I have source newer than what's installed... |
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| 07:18.46 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: why? |
| 07:18.47 | simon23 | hi, lame means "lame aint an mp3 encoder"... what then it is ? |
| 07:19.04 | chuckkh | teledyn__: thought there might be stuff supported in the newer versions |
| 07:19.07 | rahul | simon23: and GNU's not unix |
| 07:19.29 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: that's not really a good reason |
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| 07:19.31 | simon23 | i know that gnu's not unix. |
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| 07:19.42 | rahul | simon23: and lame ain't an mp3 encoder |
| 07:19.46 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: unless you know there's something you definitely need |
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| 07:19.56 | simon23 | rahul: but it encodes mps ... right ? |
| 07:20.06 | rahul | simon23: and gnu is the unix tools |
| 07:20.14 | chuckkh | oh |
| 07:20.18 | rahul | so there you go |
| 07:20.38 | dondelelcaro | simon23: originally it wasn't able to do so |
| 07:20.46 | teledyn__ | chuckkh: its actually a bad idea. what if you bork the debian alsa setup by installing crap over it or in the wrong places? |
| 07:20.51 | jpa | hi all, fighting with gzip under sid, tried to apt-get install gzip/testing: same problem... any clue/url ?? |
| 07:20.52 | dondelelcaro | simon23: thus the double entendre. |
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| 07:21.10 | simon23 | dondelelcaro: thanks - thats an explanation :-) |
| 07:21.27 | dondelelcaro | simon23: http://lame.sourceforge.net/about.php FE. |
| 07:21.27 | teledyn__ | damn i hate it when my nick has 2 underscores after it |
| 07:21.38 | dondelelcaro | jpa: what's the problem? |
| 07:22.04 | jpa | dondelelcaro: I prepare you a paste on rafb, a second please :) |
| 07:22.16 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 07:22.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell jpa -about bat |
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| 07:22.50 | dondelelcaro | jpa: what dpkg told you may also be useful too. [At least, if it has something to do with installing packages] |
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| 07:23.08 | simon23 | !tell simon23 -about you |
| 07:23.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell Zerial -about away |
| 07:23.50 | jpa | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/9eoUXO73.html |
| 07:23.54 | Zerial | ups sorry |
| 07:24.03 | jpa | dondelelcaro: here is my problem: gzip is blocking things :-( |
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| 07:25.41 | unlink | i have 3 machines, A, the machine which server /home to B, and another client machine C. when A has root_squash in /etc/exports, C cannot ssh to B with public key authentication. however, when no_root_squash is set, C is able to ssh to B with public key auth. why is that so? |
| 07:25.52 | dondelelcaro | jpa: it sounds like you've got either 1) the wrong install-info installed 2) something is munged in gzip's info file. |
| 07:26.03 | unlink | more importantly, how do i fix that (so that i can set root_squash and ssh in with pubkey auth) |
| 07:26.27 | jpa | dondelelcaro: I first did a dist-upgrade on my sid, it downloaded the latest gzip package then failed |
| 07:26.49 | jpa | then I did "hold" the package |
| 07:26.58 | jpa | and tried to install the testing package instead |
| 07:27.03 | dondelelcaro | jpa: do a whereis install-info; and to fix it temporarily rm /usr/share/info/gzip.info; and try dpkg --configure -a; |
| 07:27.04 | jpa | as allways when I have a problem in sid |
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| 07:27.53 | dondelelcaro | jpa: the output of all of the install-info that show up with --version would be useful too. |
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| 07:28.23 | jpa | hector:~# ll /usr/share/info/gzip.info |
| 07:28.23 | jpa | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-12-21 15:43 /usr/share/info/gzip.info |
| 07:28.24 | jpa | ??? |
| 07:28.30 | chuckkh | teledyn__: yeah, followed all the other suggestions on alsa-project.org, ran /etc/init.d/alsa reload, still the same |
| 07:28.30 | jpa | empty file ? |
| 07:28.48 | dondelelcaro | jpa: yerp; that'd do it. |
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| 07:29.27 | dondelelcaro | jpa: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404048 is the bug, btw. |
| 07:29.40 | SerajewelKS | mm anything i can do to improve beryl`s performance? my card should be fast enough but even simple things like restoring a window stutter |
| 07:29.48 | jpa | ok, I did rm the gzip.info file |
| 07:29.55 | jpa | and the gzip/unstable was installed |
| 07:29.58 | jpa | thanks a lot |
| 07:30.05 | dondelelcaro | jpa: np |
| 07:30.15 | CHodapp | okay, what's it mean when xvncviewer says it connects, then fails to give a window of the desktop it says it just connected to? |
| 07:30.29 | jpa | I'll never found a bug that is not already declared in debian :-(( |
| 07:31.12 | jpa | you guys work too fast |
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| 07:32.51 | jpa | thanks a lot, have a great day :) |
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| 07:33.12 | Smacs | Does anyone here uses teams speak? |
| 07:33.17 | Smacs | Teamspeak? |
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| 07:34.38 | bbldy | Smacs; I run a few servers. |
| 07:34.40 | bbldy | What's up? |
| 07:34.50 | Smacs | I got it working in debian |
| 07:35.05 | Smacs | But I cant use Teamspeam and say play an mp3 at the same time |
| 07:35.19 | simon23 | hi, can anyone give me a hyperlink to a tutorial/explanation how to secure a mailserver so that no other persons can use it so send spam mails? |
| 07:35.31 | Smacs | I treid lots of ways to resolve this but I end up breakin the sound altogether |
| 07:35.39 | Smacs | Any Ideas? |
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| 07:36.03 | simon23 | Smacs: you use kde? |
| 07:36.11 | Smacs | XFCE4 |
| 07:36.27 | Smacs | But I had the same problem in Ubuntu with Gnome aswell |
| 07:36.29 | simon23 | Smacs: maybe you have the esd running,... or maybe not. |
| 07:36.41 | Smacs | What is esd? |
| 07:37.07 | Smacs | Oh I saw that esd I mean |
| 07:37.09 | simon23 | its the enlightment sound daemon, from the enlightement window manager. |
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| 07:37.25 | Smacs | Hmm I definatly dont have that |
| 07:37.32 | Smacs | Have you had much luck wiht it? |
| 07:37.44 | simon23 | maybe you sould install it and give it a try. |
| 07:38.10 | simon23 | as i know it sould "collect" audio signals and then put them to one output. |
| 07:38.23 | simon23 | like the arts (kde sound system) |
| 07:38.47 | simon23 | to everyone else: please correct me if i'm wrong. |
| 07:39.02 | Smacs | In ubuntu I can play 2 soudns at the same time. Ie I mp3 and say watch a DIVX |
| 07:39.23 | Smacs | But as soon as I try to do it with Teamspeak I can only do Team speak or an mp3 |
| 07:39.41 | Smacs | From what I have looked around at so far its to do with elsa |
| 07:39.47 | Smacs | or alsa what ever its called |
| 07:39.50 | simon23 | then teamspeak maybe doesnt support such an sound daemon. |
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| 07:40.14 | Smacs | :( |
| 07:40.22 | simon23 | perhaps there is an option like <name of the sound daemon> - <programm you want to launch> |
| 07:40.34 | simon23 | like esd -teamspeak |
| 07:40.45 | simon23 | okay. |
| 07:40.50 | simon23 | goodbye |
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| 07:40.52 | Smacs | There might be thanks. Ill look that up |
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| 07:47.50 | wireddd | does beagle usually take over 24 hours to index? |
| 07:48.20 | wireddd | and use 300MB+ of ram? |
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| 07:50.47 | cast | lol. |
| 07:53.06 | wireddd | it has 525MB allocated and is usuing 313MB |
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| 07:55.10 | eap | wireddd: beagle in my exp., is heavy yes, but not that heavy |
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| 08:00.36 | unlink | Whoa. portmap is documented to respect /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny, but strings /sbin/portmap | grep hosts does not reveal this. |
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| 08:01.39 | dondelelcaro | unlink: that's because it's linked to libwrap, which does. |
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| 08:02.09 | unlink | dondelelcaro: ahh. great. |
| 08:02.13 | unlink | i was worried |
| 08:02.22 | Ich | why can't i get my computer to run graphical applications remotely like windows does? |
| 08:02.28 | dondelelcaro | unlink: yeah; generally though, you often only need portmap running on localhost |
| 08:02.35 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're an nfs server) |
| 08:02.47 | unlink | why would you use portmap unless you're an nfs server? |
| 08:02.56 | dondelelcaro | unlink: if you're an NFS client, FE. |
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| 08:03.02 | unlink | ah. |
| 08:03.11 | Ich | i can ssh to a computer and run text programs |
| 08:03.17 | dondelelcaro | !sshx |
| 08:03.17 | dpkg | i heard sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 08:03.23 | dondelelcaro | Ich: see above, and follow those instructions |
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| 08:04.58 | Guerin | @mhallsmite NICs |
| 08:06.51 | Guerin | fuckinghell, my nic was performing flakeywise, so I went and bought a brand new cheapon 8139 from the shop, and I can't get it to play nice with the onboard nic |
| 08:06.59 | Guerin | I can get one (not both) working |
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| 08:08.16 | eap | <Guerin> any noticeable error messages? |
| 08:08.25 | teledyn__ | Guerin: i'm having an issue trying to use 2 wireless NICs right now |
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| 08:09.01 | Ich | dondelelcaro: didn't work |
| 08:09.17 | Ich | when i run "echo $display" i got a little square as the output |
| 08:09.33 | Guerin | eap: variable. |
| 08:09.43 | teledyn__ | both interfaces seem up, but the pcmcia prism card won't actuallly run |
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| 08:09.56 | dondelelcaro | Ich: you're ssh'ing from a machine which is running X, right? |
| 08:09.59 | Guerin | i have convinced eth1 to work by rebooting the computer it's connected to (!!!) |
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| 08:10.03 | teledyn__ | cannot assing an address to it although ifconfig says its up |
| 08:10.05 | Ich | dondelelcaro: yes. |
| 08:10.11 | Guerin | now I shall reboot the lot and see what gives |
| 08:10.18 | Ich | i am runing konsole on suse |
| 08:10.19 | dondelelcaro | Ich: and when you echo $DISPLAY; on that machine, you see something, right? |
| 08:10.36 | dondelelcaro | Ich: and if you look at .Xauthority there are entries for it, right? |
| 08:10.49 | eap | hmm, ive been having a problem with aliasing the second NIC, i temp solved that by insering ifconfig eth1#1 eth1#2 in the startup files :) |
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| 08:10.57 | teledyn__ | i wanted to have one card up for networking, the other for ongoing scanning |
| 08:10.59 | Ich | dondelelcaro: i got ":0" |
| 08:11.17 | dondelelcaro | Ich: and the contents of .Xauthority? |
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| 08:11.37 | Ich | dondelelcaro: should that be a folder in ¨/ |
| 08:11.45 | dondelelcaro | Ich: no, it's a file in ~/. |
| 08:11.49 | Ich | that should have been a tilde |
| 08:11.50 | Ich | oh |
| 08:12.07 | Ich | dondelelcaro: a file exists |
| 08:12.21 | dondelelcaro | Ich: and xauth list; outputs stuff, right? |
| 08:12.36 | Ich | yes |
| 08:12.38 | Ich | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: |
| 08:12.38 | Ich | xterm: DISPLAY is not set |
| 08:12.54 | Ich | how do i set display? |
| 08:13.07 | dondelelcaro | Ich: ssh -X foohost; onto the remote machine, and run xauth list; |
| 08:13.15 | dondelelcaro | Ich: the remote machine is running Debian, right? |
| 08:13.19 | Ich | yes |
| 08:13.24 | unlink | where should i put my iptables script on debian? |
| 08:13.25 | Ich | this is suse something or other |
| 08:13.31 | Ich | maybe a year old |
| 08:13.37 | yunhual111 | hi, how can i commit a directory recursive with cvs |
| 08:13.49 | unlink | yunhual111: cvs ci directory |
| 08:13.50 | dondelelcaro | unlink: anywhere you like; either run it from /etc/init.d; or as an up rule in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:14.04 | dondelelcaro | yunhual111: comits are always recursive. |
| 08:14.10 | dondelelcaro | (well, by default, anyway) |
| 08:14.11 | Ich | dondelelcaro: i get the same error as above: "DISPLAY is not set" |
| 08:14.27 | dondelelcaro | Ich: running xauth? |
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| 08:14.42 | bucky | X11Forwarding yes ? |
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| 08:14.46 | Ich | i ran xauth |
| 08:14.55 | Ich | now i have xauth> |
| 08:14.56 | dondelelcaro | Ich: and what did it output? |
| 08:15.04 | Ich | Using authority file /home/adexter/.Xauthority |
| 08:15.14 | dondelelcaro | Ich: xauth list; is what you should run. I don't care about the fact that xterm doesn't work yet. |
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| 08:16.04 | Ich | dondelelcaro: a couple things, IP addresses followed by hashes |
| 08:16.18 | dondelelcaro | Ich: and is one of those IP addresses the address of the host you're connecting from? |
| 08:16.23 | Ich | yes |
| 08:16.48 | Ich | i have mit-magic-cookie but no xdm-authorization-1 |
| 08:17.01 | yunhual111 | dondelelcaro, yes, default comit are default recursive, but, i have a new directory, it is not contained in the repository, i want to comit it to the repository, i use cvs add xxx and cvs ci. |
| 08:17.03 | yunhual111 | the just that directory have been comited |
| 08:17.23 | dondelelcaro | yunhual111: you have to add the contents of the directory as well |
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| 08:17.54 | chronographer | hi all |
| 08:18.03 | yunhual111 | but, there are lots of subdirectory under that directory. |
| 08:18.11 | dondelelcaro | Ich: ok; give me the line that it has for your host |
| 08:18.21 | Ich | 192.168.1.109:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 0f27a08589a2b190cc0fdca927201638 |
| 08:18.26 | Ich | this is on the remote machine |
| 08:18.49 | unlink | "hmm, this works too well. i need more firewall rules." |
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| 08:19.04 | yunhual111 | dondelelcaro can i get that though few command lines ? |
| 08:20.34 | dondelelcaro | Ich: ok; and you've restarted sshd on the remote host after turning on X11Forwarding? |
| 08:20.46 | Ich | i think so... |
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| 08:21.37 | Ich | how can i restart it without logging myself out and making myself unable to log back in? |
| 08:21.44 | blackelf | what in the fucks name |
| 08:21.46 | blackelf | any idea why new builded 2.6.19.1 SMP fails - kernel bug in call smp function? |
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| 08:22.04 | dondelelcaro | Ich: it won't do that. |
| 08:22.32 | dondelelcaro | built. not builded. |
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| 08:22.40 | dondelelcaro | (and you want newly built) |
| 08:22.56 | Ich | i don't have physical access to the other machine at the moment |
| 08:23.12 | Ich | can i create a cron job to start sshd in about five minutes? |
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| 08:23.35 | dondelelcaro | Ich: just /etc/init.d/sshd restart; it won't affect existing connections. |
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| 08:23.48 | Ich | ah, practical |
| 08:23.52 | dondelelcaro | Ich: you can if you want also create an at job to run /etc/init.d/ssh start; if you don't believe me. |
| 08:24.20 | chronographer | Hi all I have a new install of debian and have apt-get all the xfce packages but need some help getting into my new desktop environment... Anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 08:24.23 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:24.30 | Ich | dimir: moin moin |
| 08:24.46 | dondelelcaro | chronographer: have you logged in and run startx? (or startxfce I think it is?) |
| 08:24.52 | bucky | Ich bein Berliner |
| 08:25.07 | dondelelcaro | chronographer: you may also want to consider installing a DM like xdm if you didn't already. |
| 08:25.36 | chronographer | startx returns "could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 08:25.58 | chronographer | and XIO falal error 104 |
| 08:26.08 | chronographer | *fatal |
| 08:26.09 | dondelelcaro | chronographer: oh, you don't have xfonts-base installed. |
| 08:26.14 | chronographer | ok |
| 08:26.21 | chronographer | apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 08:27.35 | chronographer | thx |
| 08:27.35 | chronographer | how does xdm work? |
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| 08:28.11 | karsten | chronographer: man xdm |
| 08:28.20 | karsten | chronographer: Via xdmcp |
| 08:28.20 | dondelelcaro | chronographer: it's just a login program that runs X so you can login at a GUI |
| 08:28.28 | chronographer | k |
| 08:28.30 | dondelelcaro | !dm |
| 08:28.31 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 08:29.10 | bucky | startxfce4 |
| 08:29.37 | chronographer | thx |
| 08:29.42 | chronographer | its working fine now! |
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| 08:30.11 | chronographer | one issue i get is I am running it on a laptop and the touchpad seems rather sluggish! |
| 08:30.34 | dondelelcaro | yunhual111: you'll apparently have to do something like find . -type d -execdir cvs add -m 'foo bar baz' '{}' \; ; find . -type f -execdir cvs add -m 'foo bar baz' '{}' \; ; |
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| 08:30.53 | dondelelcaro | yunhual111: it's at this point though, that I would strongly suggest switching to using subversion if you can do so at all. |
| 08:31.35 | yunhual111 | dondelelcaro thank you |
| 08:31.40 | dondelelcaro | yunhual111: the small bit of pain that migration will cause you is far, far less than the continual throbbing pain that using CVS is. |
| 08:31.48 | unlink | better yet, arch or bzr. |
| 08:32.05 | dondelelcaro | well, bzr and arch are totally different... svn is at least close. |
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| 08:32.27 | unlink | yes, the 'if at all possible' clause applies here too. |
| 08:33.23 | dondelelcaro | having used both all four, I see the benifits of svn over bzr and arch in some cases, especially when you're not doing massively distributed development. |
| 08:33.40 | dondelelcaro | of course, a bit more work in the bzr land, and it'll finally supplant svn too. |
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| 08:34.37 | dondelelcaro | door bzr? |
| 08:34.54 | karsten | A button by the door. |
| 08:34.59 | karsten | It bzzs. |
| 08:35.07 | dondelelcaro | oh; you mean a door bell. |
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| 08:36.35 | karsten | ....and it's very, very wong. |
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| 08:37.20 | dimir | Wait, I think I know this song! |
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| 08:38.50 | unlink | how do i change the environment of a screen process? |
| 08:39.04 | karsten | unlink: ?? |
| 08:39.18 | unlink | i want to add two variables to its environment |
| 08:39.19 | karsten | unlink: VAR=VALUE screen |
| 08:39.35 | dondelelcaro | unlink: you can't add them once they've been spawned |
| 08:39.41 | dondelelcaro | unlink: you can set them before spawning with set_env |
| 08:39.45 | karsten | unlink: ... when you invoke it. You're referring to the program 'screen'? |
| 08:39.50 | unlink | karsten: yes |
| 08:39.54 | dondelelcaro | s/set_env/setenv/ |
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| 08:40.04 | unlink | i was being hopeful |
| 08:40.14 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I was just wondering about that. Is /proc/PID/environ writeable? |
| 08:40.23 | dimir | setenv only in case you use csh/tcsh. |
| 08:40.28 | dimir | env in case of Bash. |
| 08:40.28 | unlink | i added something to my .bash_profile after i started screen |
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| 08:42.08 | karsten | unlink: Only takes effect for new bash logins. |
| 08:42.14 | dondelelcaro | dimir: I'm talking about screen's setenv, not csh or tcsh. |
| 08:42.16 | karsten | unlink: ~/.bashrc for any new bash process. |
| 08:42.43 | unlink | yeah. it's something i want to start at login, not every bash proess |
| 08:42.49 | dondelelcaro | karsten: doesn't appear to be for me |
| 08:42.52 | kalila | what gnome version is going to be into the next release of gnome? |
| 08:42.57 | kalila | of debian**** |
| 08:43.14 | dondelelcaro | kalila: 2.16 iirc. |
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| 08:43.50 | kalila | dondelelcaro: got any links? I would highly appreciate it :) |
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| 08:44.00 | dondelelcaro | kalila: packages.debian.org |
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| 08:45.51 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Rats. |
| 08:47.02 | dondelelcaro | karsten: and even if you could, it's not clear that it would do anything besides affect the next exec() from that process. |
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| 08:47.50 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Well, if it's the in-memory state, it might be possible to directly manipulate it. It's not clear that the /proc entry is the data itself or a shadow of it. |
| 08:47.58 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Just chasing some thoughts. |
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| 08:48.24 | dondelelcaro | karsten: it's probably a copy of the data itself, since the kernel needs to know the environment in order to do an exec properly |
| 08:48.32 | karsten | Point. |
| 08:48.40 | karsten | dondelelcaro: /dev/mem ;-) |
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| 08:49.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:49.12 | dpkg | qotd147 is probably <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
| 08:50.51 | unlink | dondelelcaro: that's all i need :p |
| 08:51.22 | unlink | dondelelcaro: i simply want newly-spawned shells to inherit a certain (currently unset) environment variable |
| 08:51.33 | dondelelcaro | unlink: yeah, that's setenv |
| 08:52.03 | unlink | can i attach to screen at do that? |
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| 08:52.11 | unlink | s/at/and |
| 08:52.23 | dondelelcaro | unlink: for shells comming from that screen, sure. |
| 08:52.33 | dondelelcaro | s/shells/new &/ |
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| 08:53.04 | unlink | er, with gdb? |
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| 08:54.16 | muhoo | is there somewhere a very quick follow-these-steps tutorial on how to upgrade a package to use the latest upstream? |
| 08:54.52 | muhoo | i.e. apt-get source the thing, then do these steps to point it to a new tarball, change these debian/control and debian/rules files as needed, and off you go? |
| 08:55.31 | azeem | change debian/changelog as well |
| 08:55.35 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: uupdate is generally what is used to do it quickly |
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| 08:55.40 | unlink | er, i don't think you are allowed to attach screen |
| 08:55.47 | Guerin | right, so I plug my new 8139 into a pci slot, and get (seemingly at random) one of three results: a. it's not recognised at all and doesn't show in lspci b. it's recognised but won't come up, the error reading `no such device' and c. it's recognised and comes up, but eth0 (also 8139, but onboard) fails to come up with `device or resource busy' |
| 08:56.11 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the 8139 are pieces of crap, unfortunatly |
| 08:56.28 | Guerin | in case c, removing and reloading the 8139too and cp modules *sometimes* enables both to come up. |
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| 08:56.42 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: you may have better luck moving it to a different position in the pci bus, though. |
| 08:56.48 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: they perform badly, but normally they *work* |
| 08:57.08 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: they "work" you mean. ;-) |
| 08:57.13 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah, I tried all three slots ... it feels like an irq matching issue, though they get assigned different values |
| 08:57.21 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'd forgotten about that |
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| 08:57.35 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: they work like the minimum-wage schleps they are ;) |
| 08:58.14 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: and the other 8139 driver does that also? |
| 08:58.45 | Guerin | which? 8139too and 8139cp get loaded |
| 08:58.54 | chronographer | Hi all QUestion! : in xorg.conf on my laptop under ServerLayout i have listed screen, keyboard, mouse and touchpad. |
| 08:59.08 | chronographer | should i delete the line Configured mouse? |
| 08:59.13 | unlink | connected with an 8169 here :) |
| 08:59.24 | pstickne | chronographer, is it broken? |
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| 08:59.52 | chronographer | the touchpad is really slow |
| 08:59.56 | chronographer | needs a fix |
| 09:00.12 | chronographer | i wonder if it is trying to pretend it is a mouse, not a touchpad |
| 09:00.29 | chronographer | nvm tho |
| 09:00.50 | chronographer | It seems to be fixed, i left the mouse line there, just added heaps of code to the synaptics section |
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| 09:04.37 | unlink | Guerin: crap they may be, they're likely the most popular 10/100-baset card ou tthere |
| 09:06.06 | Guerin | unlink: yes. |
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| 09:06.25 | Guerin | my fear is that the mobo is fucked |
| 09:06.44 | Guerin | it did sustain a powersurge some months ago, but it's been working fine since |
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| 09:07.10 | dondelelcaro | it could also just be some wierd conflict between the 8139 cards; I'd almost try a better card, like a tulip or a 3com |
| 09:07.50 | eap | <Guerin> my memorys a bit fuzzy, but i *think* your problem might stem from the 8139cp & too drivers lodading together, I think they are mutually exclusive...unsure though |
| 09:07.58 | dondelelcaro | or a bad 8139 card... it wouldn't be the first time that I've seen one. [I think when we were using them in reshall installs, we had something like a 5% failure rate] |
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| 09:08.35 | chuckkh | ndiswrapper |
| 09:08.47 | chuckkh | does it work? |
| 09:09.00 | chronographer | ONe more question before I go... With xfce, why cant I shut down the computer with the button, why must I log out then execute a command? |
| 09:09.02 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: unless you have to use ndiswrapper, you don't want to. |
| 09:09.04 | Guerin | yeah, I have two other nics; the one which flaked out earlier today, and a 10mbit 8029 of utterly unknown provenance |
| 09:09.13 | Guerin | it's so old it has the coax connector on it |
| 09:09.21 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: heh. I have a few of those on the shelf here |
| 09:09.26 | chuckkh | well my device is supposedly supported in the latest kernels |
| 09:09.27 | Guerin | so I do need a trusted nic |
| 09:09.30 | dondelelcaro | gotta love 10b2 cards |
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| 09:09.52 | Guerin | my first network was those ... unless you count null modem cables |
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| 09:10.10 | Guerin | my flatmate and I has the awesome quake battles |
| 09:10.29 | dondelelcaro | I still have a working bridge from the 100bT network to the 10b2 one |
| 09:10.41 | Guerin | nice |
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| 09:10.49 | chuckkh | "This driver was included into the Linux kernel since 2.6.17-rc2 |
| 09:10.54 | dondelelcaro | (some of the machines in the lab are so old that they have to have it) |
| 09:10.55 | unlink | to quote src/sys/pci/if_rl.c: The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made |
| 09:11.03 | chuckkh | but I'm using 2.6.18-3, and it's not detected |
| 09:11.13 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: which device? |
| 09:11.23 | chuckkh | http://bcm43xx.berlios.de |
| 09:11.46 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: 1) you have to have the firmware 2) you may need to manually load it unless you're using a new version of udev. |
| 09:11.51 | chuckkh | actually, 14e4:4311 |
| 09:12.02 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: try modprobe bcm43xx; and check dmesg. |
| 09:12.08 | chuckkh | ok |
| 09:13.25 | chuckkh | dondelelcaro: cool; maybe could you tell me what else I need to do for it to actually show up |
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| 09:14.00 | chuckkh | dondelelcaro: I mean I went through dozens of commands with someone before, and it all showed that it was loaded, but under Networking there is just no WLAN |
| 09:14.14 | dondelelcaro | Grub_Now: please do not do that. |
| 09:14.29 | chuckkh | maybe I have to tell Linux to redetect network cards? |
| 09:14.48 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: there's no redetection needed; just load the module. |
| 09:14.58 | chuckkh | then look where? |
| 09:15.03 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: dmesg |
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| 09:15.19 | chuckkh | dondelelcaro: the very last line of dmesg is "bcm43xx driver" |
| 09:16.12 | chuckkh | but no WLAN |
| 09:16.36 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: you should see a whole lot more output than that. |
| 09:17.29 | chuckkh | ok yeah |
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| 09:18.37 | chuckkh | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.ca/288463 |
| 09:19.04 | chuckkh | oops, the first line of that is from the preceding "modprobe -r" |
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| 09:19.40 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: uh... there's a log more stuff above that line that would be useful |
| 09:20.02 | chuckkh | dondelelcaro: the entire output of dmesg: |
| 09:20.04 | chuckkh | ? |
| 09:20.23 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: or below it; that's just the driver loading, but it's not detecting any chips that it can use. |
| 09:20.29 | tralala | chuckkh: dmesg | tail -20 |
| 09:20.50 | muhoo | gah, "dpkg-source: cannot represent change to po/de.gmo: binary file contents changed" |
| 09:20.59 | muhoo | now what? |
| 09:21.58 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: figure out what happened to that poor file, and revert the changes. |
| 09:22.10 | chuckkh | yes, it's not detecting any chips that it can use |
| 09:22.13 | chuckkh | there is no more output |
| 09:22.45 | dondelelcaro | chuckkh: well, its possible that the driver does not support whatever chip layout you've got. Not all of them are supported. |
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| 09:23.16 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: revert them? wouldn't that break the package? |
| 09:23.20 | blackelf | for the fucks name |
| 09:23.25 | blackelf | reisers sold reiserfs O_o |
| 09:23.38 | muhoo | i.e. the changes to those are pretty important: they're the translations files |
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| 09:24.03 | yunhual111 | dondelelcaro, i have got that with the following command lines |
| 09:24.04 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: yeah, but they shouldn't have changes in them that are binary. |
| 09:24.05 | yunhual111 | find . -type d | sed -n -e '/CVS/p' | xargs rm -rf |
| 09:24.06 | yunhual111 | find . -type d | sed -e '/CVS/d' | xargs cvs add |
| 09:24.08 | yunhual111 | find . -type f | sed -e '/CVS/d' | xargs cvs add |
| 09:24.14 | chuckkh | it's supposed to be supported in the latest kernels natively |
| 09:24.19 | chuckkh | oh |
| 09:24.24 | chuckkh | that's what we were talking about |
| 09:24.26 | chuckkh | dammit |
| 09:24.37 | diazepam | guys anyone know where you can get the debian sources for the 2.6.17-2-686 SMP kernel? |
| 09:24.43 | muhoo | dondelelcaro: hmm. maybe i need to do a make distclean before running uupdate? |
| 09:24.53 | dondelelcaro | muhoo: you need to run a debian/rules clean; yes. |
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| 09:25.35 | chuckkh | fucking gateway |
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| 09:27.07 | chuckkh | dondelelcaro: and yet lspci tells me it's a wlan card |
| 09:27.24 | muhoo | aha. bug in the package , must fix. make[1]: *** No rule to make target `distclean'. Stop. |
| 09:27.55 | azeem | put a - in front of the make line in debian/rules |
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| 09:28.22 | azeem | ... unless the build tree isn't really cleaned already, and there really is no distclean target |
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| 09:31.09 | Groundy | q: how do I find out which GPG key is required to make apt happy? |
| 09:31.20 | Groundy | I've installed debian-archive-keyring & the 2006 key |
| 09:31.23 | azeem | it usually tells you |
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| 09:31.35 | Groundy | aptitude just says package is from an untrusted source, |
| 09:32.15 | azeem | Groundy: probably tells you when running apt-get update then |
| 09:32.40 | Groundy | azeem: mmm, this is aptitude giving the warning, I don't see warnings anywhere else |
| 09:33.01 | azeem | Groundy: so what about aptitude update? |
| 09:33.18 | muhoo | the problem appears to be either that the upstream package has no make rule to clean out the gmo files, or, it's not "make distclean", whatever it is |
| 09:33.25 | cydork | Groundy: do you have some other repos in your sources.list? |
| 09:33.28 | Groundy | azeem: k, I'll try, |
| 09:33.36 | Groundy | cydork: probably stable+testing+unstable, |
| 09:33.42 | muhoo | i may add "find . -name '*gmo' -exec rm {} \;" to the debian/rules clean target then |
| 09:34.10 | cydork | Groundy: why the hell do you wanna do that? /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 09:35.16 | Groundy | cydork: actually i'm only using stable for security, testing is primary, unstable is for stuff like jabberd2 |
| 09:35.52 | cydork | Groundy: if you are using testing then adding stable repos for security doesn't make any sence. |
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| 09:36.24 | cydork | Groundy: and if you need something from unstable check /msg dpkg sid backport |
| 09:36.30 | Groundy | cydork: hrm, okay - I could always install the older version for security if I wanted though |
| 09:36.40 | cydork | s/sid/simple sid/ |
| 09:37.04 | Groundy | rofl |
| 09:37.07 | Groundy | I agree, |
| 09:37.19 | Groundy | is there a package/tool that will auto fetch source and build it for you? |
| 09:37.32 | tarzeau | apt-src ? apt-get source -b ? |
| 09:37.53 | cydork | :) |
| 09:37.55 | Groundy | that I can run from cron :-) |
| 09:38.08 | tarzeau | no reason you can't run those from cron |
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| 09:38.52 | Groundy | well there's no point in rebuilding packages if their version hasn't changed |
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| 09:39.00 | tarzeau | true |
| 09:39.18 | Groundy | and ability to auto-apply patches would be great too |
| 09:39.28 | Groundy | fetch, patch, build, drop in public_html |
| 09:39.36 | tarzeau | so? |
| 09:39.39 | tarzeau | just do it |
| 09:39.41 | Groundy | :-) |
| 09:39.54 | Groundy | I figured that would be the answer |
| 09:40.03 | SlayerXP | yes you asked anyway |
| 09:40.04 | SlayerXP | yet |
| 09:40.11 | Groundy | okay I just wanted ot check that there wasn't already a tool to do it |
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| 09:40.31 | Groundy | I'd rather use an existing tool, then making a new one |
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| 09:43.24 | cahoot | Groundy: the tautology you got as remark is ironic in itselt |
| 09:43.39 | Groundy | cahoot: yep |
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| 09:44.32 | scy | what fs do dvd-recorder use? auto can't recognize any fs, and udf doesn't work |
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| 09:47.18 | muhoo | heh. does CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 do anything in debuild, or only in make-kpkg? |
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| 09:49.28 | Groundy | apt-get update keeps complaining that security.debian.org has broken range support |
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| 09:49.44 | unlink | do you believe it? |
| 09:49.47 | Groundy | not sure, |
| 09:49.56 | Groundy | it's random between that and http error 416 |
| 09:49.59 | Groundy | trying to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/updates/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.gz |
| 09:50.53 | Groundy | I should probably just remove that item from apt sources |
| 09:51.12 | unlink | i prefer my debian sid "No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents'." errors. |
| 09:52.15 | Groundy | ahhh, the Release file doesn't match the gz file! |
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| 09:53.18 | Groundy | huh, it does |
| 09:53.35 | nayyare-off | right now i have two apache intstallations, one that is running now is on port 8888, that what "Port 8888" tag i have configured, now i want to shift to port 80, what step should i take now, ? |
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| 09:55.10 | unlink | nayyare-off: study the apache documentation on configuration. the relevant configuration file is /etc/apache/httpd.conf or similar. |
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| 09:56.11 | sep | unlink, if it's apache2 and you did it properly it should be in /etc/apache2/ports.cpnf |
| 09:57.20 | unlink | hmm, haven't touched apache since Slackware. |
| 09:57.38 | unlink | haven't needed anything lighttpd couldn't do since. |
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| 10:00.06 | unlink | how do i tell gcc to limit its memory use? |
| 10:00.21 | Guerin | i wonder who GPLv3 is `coming to get' |
| 10:00.30 | Guerin | unlink: ulimits? |
| 10:00.38 | unlink | i don't mean forcibly |
| 10:00.46 | Guerin | unlink: just leave it be; the kernel handles memory better than you can |
| 10:00.50 | unlink | i mean, like "hey gcc, could you try to use less memory?" |
| 10:00.59 | fireba11 | Guerin: me two ... and how the finished version will turn out |
| 10:01.07 | unlink | Guerin: uh. the kernel calls force_sig(SIGKILL) on gcc. |
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| 10:01.25 | Guerin | unlink: does lighttp do cgi/php/perl/ssl? |
| 10:01.29 | unlink | yes |
| 10:01.37 | Guerin | all of the above? |
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| 10:01.40 | unlink | all of theme. |
| 10:01.41 | nearfar | I want to cut some scenes from a DVD movie (already ripped to HD). Is there a software that allows me to do so? |
| 10:01.42 | unlink | *them |
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| 10:02.06 | Guerin | nearfar: mpgtx, ffd*, mplayer/mencoder |
| 10:02.17 | Guerin | unlink: does it do vhosts? |
| 10:02.23 | nearfar | Guerin: graphical selection? |
| 10:02.38 | Guerin | nearfar: none of those are graphical, they all work on a timestamp |
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| 10:02.50 | Guerin | or time code, as they call it in film |
| 10:02.52 | nearfar | ok. is there any graphical version? |
| 10:02.56 | Guerin | no idea |
| 10:03.07 | nearfar | since finding the timestamps for each of those scenes would otherwise involve considerable length of time and effort. |
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| 10:03.23 | Guerin | maybe something like cinelerra |
| 10:03.43 | Guerin | i dunno, video editing software is a waste of time on free software |
| 10:03.45 | cahoot | kino? |
| 10:03.48 | Guerin | sad, but true |
| 10:04.33 | norken | is there a slideshow program with a plugin for firefox? |
| 10:04.43 | Guerin | norken: eh? |
| 10:04.45 | cydork | Guerin: why?? |
| 10:04.50 | fireba11 | norken: wth? |
| 10:04.53 | Guerin | norken: you want firefox to display a slideshow? |
| 10:05.19 | norken | i want to start a slideshow fr my website, using ff as the browser. |
| 10:05.35 | Guerin | norken: for clients who visit the website? |
| 10:05.42 | norken | yeah |
| 10:05.55 | Groundy | norken: rather look for a css/javascript slideshow generator, |
| 10:06.00 | Groundy | norken: then it works in any browser |
| 10:06.02 | Guerin | ok, so you need to do it all server-side, since you can't expect them to have anything on the client |
| 10:06.07 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:06.17 | Guerin | there are a shitload of them in javascript and php |
| 10:06.22 | norken | just like you can start a video with mplayer if you have a mplayerplugin for ff. |
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| 10:06.23 | Guerin | it's almost disgusting |
| 10:06.33 | Guerin | norken: that's evil and retarded |
| 10:06.51 | cydork | norken: check https://www.spresent.com/ |
| 10:06.59 | Guerin | do it in javascript, then clients don't have to install some annoying shit that you choose |
| 10:07.24 | norken | well, any Xmas present for me? |
| 10:07.29 | Guerin | norken: beer |
| 10:07.35 | Guerin | norken: collect it any time you like |
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| 10:07.55 | Guerin | from 1/16 Robertson Street, Owhiro Bay, Wellington, New Zealand |
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| 10:09.12 | fireba11 | :-) |
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| 10:11.13 | norken | Guerin: so, you a kiwi. walk like one? |
| 10:11.13 | ea1abz | 1234 |
| 10:11.17 | nachrod | ;-) |
| 10:11.19 | norken | :D |
| 10:16.35 | fireba11 | hm ... ^^ |
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| 10:16.35 | fireba11 | net.split |
| 10:16.35 | norken | i am looking for a simple solution, along the line of video that I had mentioned. a slideshow program, a ff plugin for it, and it will go. |
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| 10:16.36 | ea1abz | 1234 |
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| 10:16.37 | Sepero | I have a tough question about nautilus. Any idea how to get nautilus to open a file with this command "xine dvd:///filename"? |
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| 10:16.37 | norken | why is ealabz going "1234"? |
| 10:16.40 | SlayerXP | perhaps he's showing off |
| 10:16.50 | norken | that he can count? |
| 10:16.50 | SlayerXP | not all young males can count that high |
| 10:16.57 | norken | :D |
| 10:17.32 | Sepero | If they weren't printed on the keyboard he might forget |
| 10:18.11 | Sepero | Have confidence though. I hear he may be reaching 5 soon. |
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| 10:19.03 | norken | :D poor ealabz. |
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| 10:21.22 | racoontje | Does anyone know how to draw a sawtooth wave in gnuplot? |
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| 10:22.12 | nachro1 | |-) |
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| 10:24.10 | ea1abz | 1234 |
| 10:24.38 | nachro1 | :-@ |
| 10:25.08 | Abu^Adam | someone say something smart so I can copy it |
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| 10:25.51 | cahoot | look two lines up |
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| 10:26.15 | Abu^Adam | cahoot i can't |
| 10:26.26 | cahoot | now you can |
| 10:26.31 | Abu^Adam | it looks like it's copyright |
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| 10:27.27 | norken | anyone got stranded by the snow? |
| 10:27.28 | norken | i think ealabz did. that is why he is counting 1 to 4, to pass time. |
| 10:27.28 | norken | debian has gallery2. would it solved my problem? |
| 10:27.32 | norken | hey, where is everybody? Xmas hasn't started yet. |
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| 10:29.11 | ea1abz | 4321 |
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| 10:32.32 | cahoot | norken: gallery2 is slightly more than a plugin |
| 10:33.04 | cahoot | norken: but - sure it will display slideshows |
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| 10:34.59 | fireba11 | norken: whe had a huge net.split half an hour ago |
| 10:38.03 | scy | what fs do dvd-recorder usually use? mount -t auto can't recognize any fs, and udf/iso9660 doesn't work |
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| 10:38.19 | scy | but the recorder and other hardware dvd players are able to play this dvd |
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| 10:52.55 | cydork | !qotd0 |
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| 10:52.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
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| 10:55.07 | giupy | hi all |
| 10:55.34 | giupy | wich is the hex triplet format for the white colour ? |
| 10:55.56 | callahad | giupy: #FFF? |
| 10:56.04 | giupy | callahad: i try |
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| 10:58.19 | giupy | callahad: that is red :) |
| 10:58.49 | cydork | giupy: 000? :P |
| 10:58.52 | callahad | giupy: That *can't* be red. |
| 10:59.17 | giupy | callahad: yeah, now my clock on pypanel is red |
| 10:59.31 | callahad | giupy: Oh, use #FFFFFF instead |
| 10:59.38 | giupy | ok i try |
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| 10:59.50 | callahad | giupy: It's expecting #rrggbb , lots of things accept #rgb |
| 10:59.57 | callahad | giupy: lots of things being, well, CSS. But still. |
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| 11:01.24 | giupy | callahad: yeah it works fine, thanks very well |
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| 11:04.05 | jason | wtf..? was that |
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| 11:04.05 | Groundy | yuck, netsplit |
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| 11:04.06 | callahad | That one lasted a while, too. |
| 11:04.06 | kalila | this sucks , I updated /etc/sudoers, made a mistake, and now I can't edit the file ebcause i can't sudo (complains about error) |
| 11:04.06 | fireba11 | Groundy: yep .. 2nd one today |
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| 11:04.06 | petemc | kalila: su |
| 11:04.07 | jason | netsplit..? |
| 11:04.07 | blackelf | who the fuck |
| 11:04.07 | blackelf | invented SATA cables |
| 11:04.07 | fireba11 | kalila: then i hope for you you didn't already disable root login |
| 11:04.07 | Ronin | !netsplit |
| 11:04.07 | dpkg | [netsplit] A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 11:04.07 | fireba11 | blackelf: why ? |
| 11:04.07 | blackelf | was he mentally challanged? sata cables keep falling out of driev |
| 11:04.08 | blackelf | * drive |
| 11:04.08 | kalila | fireba11: petemc : yes, root login is disabled... |
| 11:04.08 | callahad | kalila: Single user mode / rescue CD to the rescue! |
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| 11:04.08 | jason | thats what all that was..? |
| 11:04.08 | Ronin | blackelf: then you havent put them in properly, ive never had that problem |
| 11:04.08 | callahad | Hm, looks like rescue CD :) |
| 11:04.08 | petemc | kalila: not root login, su |
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| 11:04.08 | kalila | hmm what! there must be an sudo option to not parse sudoers :( |
| 11:04.09 | blackelf | Ronin: that is a typical problem with some drivers/sockets |
| 11:04.09 | kalila | petemc: su is disabled |
| 11:04.09 | fireba11 | blackelf: they shouldn't .. v2 of them even snaps in |
| 11:04.10 | blackelf | fireba11: I have sataII cable and it keeps falling out of sata drive |
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| 11:04.10 | Guerin | root login should never be disabled for this precise reason |
| 11:04.10 | fireba11 | blackelf: use another cable ? |
| 11:04.10 | fireba11 | Guerin :_D |
| 11:04.10 | Guerin | nor should su be disabled |
| 11:04.10 | blackelf | kalila: fix from livecd |
| 11:04.19 | kalila | sigh |
| 11:04.24 | phated | Or single user mode. |
| 11:04.32 | kalila | phated: ? |
| 11:04.32 | blackelf | fireba11: I will try other kable ; and buy some glue |
| 11:04.36 | Guerin | if someone manages despite your best efforts to come by the root password, they deserve to own you |
| 11:04.41 | Guerin | they won the game of wits |
| 11:04.43 | phated | kalila: Stop sighing and /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 11:04.48 | fireba11 | Guerin: i'm one of the 15-digit random password for root is good enough, no need to have the attacker guess a username too :-D |
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| 11:04.57 | Guerin | fireba11: me too |
| 11:05.00 | blackelf | kalila: in boot manager (grub?) append word single to end of kernel boot |
| 11:05.09 | phated | kalila: The procedure there will get you into a root shell. From there, you can redo your sudoers. |
| 11:05.10 | Guerin | mine isn't random, though; it's mnemonic |
| 11:05.19 | fireba11 | Guerin: what does that mean ? |
| 11:05.28 | blackelf | I liked the password Data used |
| 11:05.30 | Guerin | so in theory you could run frequency attacks against it, or if you knew me very very well... |
| 11:05.32 | blackelf | it was quite simple |
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| 11:05.50 | callahad | blackelf: Doesn't signle user mode require root's password? |
| 11:05.59 | Guerin | fireba11: Ti4r$Pw = This is a really strong password |
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| 11:06.01 | callahad | (at least, it does for me) |
| 11:06.07 | blackelf | alpha one one seven one six seven two alpha beta six five four eight alpha one nine two gamma five one two three piccard lock |
| 11:06.07 | JB[away] | huhooo, have anyone update aptitude with etch? |
| 11:06.13 | Guerin | callahad: it does, unless you have grub access |
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| 11:06.24 | fireba11 | Guerin: ah |
| 11:06.30 | callahad | Guerin: Grub access? |
| 11:06.44 | callahad | Guerin: The only time I've booted into single has been through Grub |
| 11:06.46 | Guerin | callahad: the ability to append `init=/bin/sh to the grub boot line |
| 11:06.59 | callahad | Guerin: Oh, hey, missed that init bit. |
| 11:07.03 | Guerin | :) |
| 11:07.04 | blackelf | Guerin: whats the default value of init?> |
| 11:07.06 | callahad | Makes sense :) |
| 11:07.10 | fireba11 | Guerin: i'm using a password-safe tool ... access to that is a 15-digit random password i memorized .. it saves all my passwords blowfish encoded .. and i only copy/paste tehm out there |
| 11:07.16 | callahad | blackelf: /sbin/init ;) |
| 11:07.33 | blackelf | callahad: what happens if I start that program by hand :> ?\ |
| 11:07.37 | JB[away] | https://launchpad.net/distros/debian is this the offical debian bug tracker? |
| 11:07.40 | Guerin | blackelf: /sbin/init, duh |
| 11:07.50 | Guerin | i don't trust password safes |
| 11:07.55 | callahad | blackelf: man init to find out |
| 11:07.56 | Guerin | i probably should, but I don't |
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| 11:08.05 | Guerin | it's just another password protecting a password |
| 11:08.21 | Guerin | JB[away]: hell no |
| 11:08.26 | Guerin | JB[away]: bugs.debian.org |
| 11:08.26 | callahad | JB[away]: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 11:08.30 | fireba11 | Guerin: true .. but i got too muhc different passwords to remember |
| 11:09.03 | callahad | Speaking of init, have any of you guys looked into initng? |
| 11:09.14 | blackelf | whats initn |
| 11:09.15 | blackelf | initng |
| 11:09.25 | callahad | blackelf: A replacement for sysvinit |
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| 11:09.55 | callahad | It's dependency based, as opposed to serial (sysvinit) or event based (upstart). |
| 11:10.21 | callahad | It's also humorously poorly coded. |
| 11:10.31 | blackelf | heh |
| 11:10.31 | fireba11 | callahad: it is ? |
| 11:10.52 | callahad | fireba11: Let me point you to one specific script... *browses the trac* |
| 11:11.02 | JB[away] | have anyone the same bug -> http://pastebin.ca/288523 ??? |
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| 11:11.25 | callahad | fireba11: Basically, mounting / in initng requires awk, which is in /usr. Which means it fails if you have your /usr in another partition. |
| 11:11.41 | fireba11 | callahad: you're serious ? |
| 11:11.47 | callahad | fireba11: Oh, that's only the half of it. |
| 11:11.54 | fireba11 | callahad: shit |
| 11:11.59 | callahad | fireba11: The comments in the actual script are amazing |
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| 11:12.23 | unlink | make: Warning: File `auto/config.mk' has modification time 1.7e+04 s in the future |
| 11:12.27 | unlink | er, oops |
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| 11:13.15 | ericP | i have a bit of a mess in my exim4-config. the dialog gives you a choice between lots-of-litte-files and one-big-file |
| 11:13.17 | callahad | fireba11: line 176 http://www.initng.org/browser/initng-ifiles/trunk/initfiles/system/mountroot.ii?order=name |
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| 11:13.24 | yassine | hi everyone |
| 11:13.28 | ericP | currently, i have an unfortunate melange of the two |
| 11:13.35 | JB[away] | have anyone the same bug -> http://pastebin.ca/288523 ??? |
| 11:13.52 | yassine | is there any packages out there for using xgl on debian etch ? |
| 11:14.06 | ericP | can i safely dpkg -something exim4-config to get rid of all the config files but not everything that depends on exim4-config? |
| 11:14.34 | ericP | (and then re-install it with less of a mess in /etc/exim/) |
| 11:14.37 | petemc | ericP: just put your own config at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf , it will use that |
| 11:15.08 | jmd | What's the correct way to update /etc/alternatives ? |
| 11:15.16 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.18 | petemc | s |
| 11:15.20 | ericP | petemc, i'm not smart enough (glib, i admit) to configure exim. i count on the post-install |
| 11:15.27 | callahad | fireba11: The issue has been documented since before Feb, 2006. Upstream bitches that initng "initng has only 2 dependencies: GNU and linux. it seems, that debian doesn't resolv first dependency" |
| 11:15.36 | JB[away] | nobody here that use etch? |
| 11:15.42 | petemc | ericP: so what do you want to do? |
| 11:15.44 | ericP | petemc, but now i can't tell what's authoritative in all those files |
| 11:15.51 | jmd | petemc, in what package do I find that? |
| 11:16.00 | petemc | jmd: you should have it |
| 11:16.01 | ericP | petemc, remove (purge) exim4-config and reinstall it |
| 11:16.05 | azeem | JB[away]: did you check the BTS? |
| 11:16.13 | petemc | ericP: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:16.23 | callahad | ericP: Nothing should depend on exim4-config |
| 11:16.24 | JB[away] | azeem: BTS? what that? |
| 11:16.28 | callahad | ericP: (conjecture) |
| 11:16.28 | azeem | !bts |
| 11:16.28 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:16.33 | ericP | petemc, that won't purge, will it? |
| 11:16.36 | petemc | ericP: no |
| 11:16.42 | JB[away] | !bts aptitude |
| 11:16.46 | petemc | ericP: reconfigure it, as the name suggests |
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| 11:16.58 | azeem | JB[away]: did you read what dpkg wrote? |
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| 11:17.04 | callahad | ericP: Well, I'm wrong. Time to go poke at pkg-exim4's documentation :) |
| 11:17.05 | ericP | petemc, i alread did a reconfigure, but it seems to need some tweaking |
| 11:17.27 | ericP | callahad, tx anyways (And especially for labeling your conjecture) |
| 11:17.27 | petemc | ericP: then you'll need to do some reading |
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| 11:17.51 | JB[away] | azeem i´m to stupid to find it :S |
| 11:18.00 | azeem | JB[away]: then read it again |
| 11:18.04 | ericP | petemc, yeah, but i want to start out with a clean config rather than this mix |
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| 11:18.23 | petemc | ericP: dpkg-reconfigure should do that |
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| 11:18.35 | ericP | petemc, so regardless, i want to purge before i run through the dialogs again and then start reading |
| 11:18.46 | ericP | petemc, ahh, it didn't the last time |
| 11:19.16 | JB[away] | azeem i can´t find a post with this bug |
| 11:19.16 | ericP | petemc, or, at least, i selected monolithic-config and still have a zillion files under exim.d |
| 11:19.42 | petemc | ericP: exim4 -bV , you'll find the config it uses is a file in /var/ |
| 11:20.03 | ericP | petemc, cool! on it |
| 11:20.19 | petemc | ericP: also, update-exim4.conf can spit out a complete file with comments |
| 11:20.34 | azeem | JB[away]: then file a new one |
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| 11:21.28 | azeem | JB[away]: which architecture are you on? |
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| 11:21.59 | callahad | Did sourceforge redesign again, or am I seeing things/ |
| 11:22.06 | omry | I am connected via a eth cable modem (via eth1), when I activate ipmasq the connection stop working, can't even ping the dns (get "Network is unreachable"), any idea? |
| 11:22.13 | kalila | fixed /etc/sudoers |
| 11:22.28 | petemc | kalila: use visudo |
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| 11:22.48 | shay | why would you touch /etc/sudoers directly when you have visudo? |
| 11:22.51 | shay | petemc, GMTA |
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| 11:23.27 | callahad | Oh, wow. I never knew about visudo or vipw. |
| 11:23.48 | kalila | what's special about visudo? just vim editing sudoers? |
| 11:23.56 | petemc | kalila: stops you making silly mistakes |
| 11:23.58 | shay | yeah |
| 11:23.59 | callahad | hm, nope. dpkg -S visudo |
| 11:24.08 | kalila | that can come handy |
| 11:24.08 | shay | kind of "safely editing" /etc/sudoers |
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| 11:25.13 | callahad | One day I really should go through everything in my /usr/sbin and /sbin and read their man's |
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| 11:26.29 | jmd | callahad, Nah. Just run them with arbitrary arguments and see what happens. |
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| 11:29.43 | cydork | !fix callahad |
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| 11:34.27 | efaistos_ | I dont know why spamassassin is still considering some emails as spam ... I put some addresses in my white list but they're still moved to my "spam" directory |
| 11:34.27 | jmd | Ah #@!! No I've messed things up. How do I undo whatever I did with /usr/sbin/update-alternatives ? |
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| 11:34.36 | efaistos_ | it's for some mailing list i added in my user_prefs file somethin' like that : whitelist_to *@perl.org but some are still thrown to that "spam" directory |
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| 11:34.46 | jmd | efaistos_, #spamassasin |
| 11:34.48 | tralala | jmd: using update-alternatives |
| 11:35.14 | quhan | hi, how can i mount a folder to another path? |
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| 11:35.45 | callahad | quhan: Symlinks not enough? |
| 11:35.53 | jmd | update-alternatives: unable to make sensible-editor.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi: Permission denied |
| 11:36.01 | jmd | But I'm root |
| 11:36.24 | tralala | jmd, testing/unstable? |
| 11:36.25 | Fox | quhan: mount -o bind /dir1 dir2 |
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| 11:36.36 | quhan | callahad, i d like change it not forever |
| 11:36.37 | jmd | testing |
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| 11:39.22 | quhan | fox, thanks |
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| 11:41.28 | Smacs | Hey fox whats the -o switch for? |
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| 11:46.18 | jatt | Smacs: man mount |
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| 11:49.30 | exalted | Hi. Using unstable i'm getting samba broken quite sometime now ( http://rafb.net/p/1RGO7l58.html ). Does anyone has any clue if the problem is common, and there's a workaround to solve the issue? Thank you. |
| 11:49.56 | SlayerXP | exalted: we lost interest in helping you after "Using unstable" |
| 11:50.17 | exalted | SlayerXP, i see; thank you anyway. |
| 11:50.18 | SlayerXP | people using unstable get what they deserve |
| 11:50.28 | tarzeau | exalted: try removeing the dangling symlink? |
| 11:50.33 | SlayerXP | beta software in "may have bugs" *shocker* |
| 11:50.42 | tarzeau | exalted: or first dpkg -P --force-all samba (you'll lose your config!) |
| 11:51.01 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: they get the greatest, best, latest software (well experimental partly has newer stuff) |
| 11:51.02 | exalted | tarzeau, I'm giving it a try. |
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| 11:51.49 | callahad | SlayerXP: Someone has to run sid to make sure it doesn't break testing. |
| 11:52.36 | exalted | tarzeau, Could you please give me a clue where should i look for the dangling symlink please? |
| 11:52.39 | tarzeau | SlayerXP: people using stable get what they deserver too :) |
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| 11:52.58 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 11:52.58 | tarzeau | exalted: rm -rf /etc/rc2.d/S91samba |
| 11:53.06 | tarzeau | exalted: the package symlinks has a great tool, btw |
| 11:53.07 | exalted | tarzeau, great! |
| 11:53.20 | exalted | tarzeau, like? |
| 11:53.32 | tarzeau | exalted: apt-get install symlinks; dpkg -L symlinks | grep bin |
| 11:53.41 | tarzeau | man symlinks |
| 11:55.12 | cydork | !sns syndrome |
| 11:55.12 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 11:56.47 | iLLf8d | sid isn't unstable its just unfinished |
| 11:57.17 | iLLf8d | sid works quite well has for the last 10 years I've been running it |
| 11:57.33 | tralala | !pal iLLf8d |
| 11:57.38 | iLLf8d | actually it wasn't called sid back then (at least I don't remember it being called that at the time) |
| 11:57.49 | callahad | iLLf8d: Well, gzip did take a crap today :) |
| 11:58.08 | iLLf8d | yeah if you upgrade sid daily those things will happen |
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| 11:58.40 | callahad | Same chances if you upgrade weekly - being rolling release and all |
| 11:58.45 | perlmonk | !webim |
| 11:58.53 | perlmonk | !webmin |
| 11:58.53 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 11:58.54 | callahad | Sure, upgrading tomorrow means missing that, but what about other packages migrating in? |
| 11:59.43 | callahad | Of course, my desktop runs sid and has for years :) |
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| 12:00.43 | iLLf8d | yeah the whole fear of sid argument is a bad one in alot of cases, tho valid in others |
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| 12:01.34 | iLLf8d | it just gets old when people piss on people looking for help just cause they wanna be mean, its easy enough for them to say they're not running unstable and can't help |
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| 12:03.50 | kgoetz | wow. this place is still huge |
| 12:04.06 | iLLf8d | its all mirrors |
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| 12:04.15 | perlmonk | Well, I run testing for my desktop usage.... always did.... This prevents a lot of issues, keeps more up-to-date and let me use a desktop I rarely have to fix, not as if I was running sid. |
| 12:04.26 | perlmonk | actually, testing is great for desktop use |
| 12:04.36 | iLLf8d | yeah testings a good choice for most ppl |
| 12:04.59 | iLLf8d | at least atm it is especially rc1 |
| 12:05.14 | callahad | perlmonk: As sad as this is, I actually appreciate occasional breakages in Sid. They usually prompt learning. |
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| 12:05.29 | exalted | tarzeau, is symlinks used by apt to solve problematic issues somehow automatically? |
| 12:05.45 | iLLf8d | doesn't sound like it from the manpage |
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| 12:05.51 | perlmonk | callahad, I depend on my desktop to manage my company.... And I have enough learning, no worries about this. |
| 12:05.52 | tarzeau | exalted: no |
| 12:05.56 | exalted | tarzeau, okay. |
| 12:05.57 | iLLf8d | looks like it'll giveya the overview of your symlink state |
| 12:06.06 | perlmonk | no way I let my desktop break |
| 12:06.11 | tarzeau | iLLf8d: i disagree |
| 12:06.17 | callahad | perlmonk: Your desktop is far, far more critical than mine :) Oh to be a college student |
| 12:06.27 | iLLf8d | tarzeau, which part? |
| 12:06.30 | perlmonk | Yeah, in t his case.. |
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| 12:06.40 | iLLf8d | or parts |
| 12:06.41 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 12:07.01 | perlmonk | Actually, I manage my whole company using linux / freebsd / openbsd |
| 12:07.10 | perlmonk | There's 0 windows here |
| 12:07.14 | iLLf8d | perlmonk, yeah none of my computers are critical and I have alot of redundancy so sid doesn't matter much here |
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| 12:07.48 | iLLf8d | perlmonk, my laptops dual boot but I don't use it been months since I booted into winxp |
| 12:08.03 | perlmonk | Ah, untrue, I have a windows machine to do windows developpement as I provide a windows software to my customers |
| 12:08.12 | iLLf8d | ah |
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| 12:08.19 | iLLf8d | yeah I have windows for games sometimes but thats about it |
| 12:08.27 | iLLf8d | and maybe for a few audio apps |
| 12:08.50 | exalted | tarzeau, do you think "#symlinks -rd /" is a good thing to do? |
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| 12:09.17 | tarzeau | exalted: no |
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| 12:09.35 | exalted | tarzeau, would you please explain briefly why? |
| 12:09.56 | tarzeau | exalted: some symlinks exist for a good reason, even if they are dangling |
| 12:09.58 | berkes | can anyone tell me how I can re-install some basic package? Somehow my mime.types file is fubar, and so I want to re-install mime-support . |
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| 12:10.10 | tarzeau | exalted: you shouldn't remove stuff of other users. |
| 12:10.19 | exalted | tarzeau, hmmm... |
| 12:10.49 | exalted | tarzeau, what about "#symlinks -rd /etc/" then? |
| 12:11.01 | tarzeau | exalted: just remove that one file i told you |
| 12:11.03 | xingu | dangling symlinks in the system $PATH are usually a bad idea |
| 12:11.06 | exalted | tarzeau, okay. |
| 12:11.08 | tarzeau | exalted: everything else is bad |
| 12:11.09 | CharminTheMoose | how can i check if mozilla has a carrier on it?occasinally my webpage switches to nver.com.. |
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| 12:11.15 | xingu | particularly if they point to user-writable storage |
| 12:11.25 | xingu | but that's a subset. |
| 12:11.33 | J_P | people, is possible compact (tar -czvf) using tar with password ? For after unpack (tar -xzvf) need password to unpack ? |
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| 12:11.57 | berkes | my systems have quite some dangling links, but that is because I run applications chrooted. So for them its not dangling |
| 12:12.26 | berkes | J_P: you can encrypt it with gpg. Thats all I know. |
| 12:12.59 | exalted | tarzeau, Done that and upgrade got success with a warning: "update-rc.d: warning: /etc/rc3.d/S91samba is not a link to ../init.d/samba or /etc/init.d/samba". |
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| 12:13.08 | J_P | berkes: what is the command ? |
| 12:13.26 | tarzeau | exalted: what says ls -lad /etc/rc3.d/S91samba |
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| 12:13.54 | exalted | tarzeau, says "/etc/rc3.d/S91samba -> /samba" |
| 12:14.00 | dn4 | Does anyone know how to get an ip address from 'metro.dyndns.tv' |
| 12:14.04 | tarzeau | exalted: that's wrong, remove that file too |
| 12:14.12 | tarzeau | dn4: host |
| 12:14.30 | exalted | tarzeau, done that too now! |
| 12:15.42 | exalted | tarzeau, I'd love to read something about what those symlinks are for in the Debian policy to have a better understanding what i am doing. Anything article in mind? |
| 12:15.43 | dn4 | tarzeau: thx |
| 12:15.45 | xingu | dn4: btw that's an inexact relation, a cname can have multiple answers of the same rrtype. |
| 12:16.23 | xingu | dn4: ie, it would be perfectly valid for that name to resolve to a rrset containing more than one A record. |
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| 12:16.51 | callahad | exalted: Do you understand what symlinks are in general? |
| 12:16.58 | exalted | callahad, yeah. |
| 12:17.07 | blackelf | yey my SMP is working and kicking |
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| 12:17.21 | callahad | exalted: Then you'll be wanting to read abotu sysv init, the init system used by debian |
| 12:17.49 | exalted | callahad, i'll be searching for it. Thank you. |
| 12:17.59 | callahad | exalted: man init isn't a bad place to start |
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| 12:18.33 | callahad | exalted: man update-rc.d isn't bad either |
| 12:18.48 | exalted | callahad, allright! |
| 12:19.01 | berkes | J_P: sory, don't know, I use kgpg which has rightclick services |
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| 12:19.46 | callahad | exalted: Each of those should give you enough references to other sources and the right vocabulary to learn more. I just spend a day last week reading about sysvinit and alternative init systems. It's pretty interesting once you get into it. |
| 12:19.53 | xingu | things that upset nvidia.ko #995981738192 - system clock skew |
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| 12:20.17 | exalted | callahad, thank you for your suggestion. |
| 12:20.22 | blackelf | callahad: wow, get a life |
| 12:20.27 | xingu | and people wonder why I get so damn grumpy about timekeeping and precision |
| 12:20.46 | blackelf | xingu: what happens to nvidia.ko? |
| 12:20.52 | exalted | tarzeau, callahad; thanks both of you for your help, greatly appreciated. Leaving now, take care... |
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| 12:21.37 | callahad | blackelf: Hey, if I'm going to use a computer, I'd like to know how it functions :) |
| 12:21.48 | xingu | blackelf: enough adjtimex will kick its arse to mars leading eventually to a hard lock |
| 12:22.23 | blackelf | xingu: under what conditions? what do you meny by time skew? is it reported to nvidia devels? |
| 12:22.27 | xingu | blackelf: I'm guessing it has an internal jiffie or timeofday counter |
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| 12:23.09 | xingu | blackelf: and I'm guessing it gets most upset when the difference between it and the system's value is negative at the wrong moment |
| 12:23.10 | blackelf | so changing system time while nvidia is working will crash it? heh. please do report it to nvidia devels / forum |
| 12:24.03 | xingu | blackelf: it's a crapshoot; the testcase for me is - set an insane ntp driftval (long story, partial resume followed by panic); then as ntp recalculates your drift, it'll do many, many step time adjustments |
| 12:24.22 | xingu | blackelf: as it does - eventually your system will panic. |
| 12:24.38 | blackelf | xingu: post that to nvidia forums for linux users and devels will fix it probably |
| 12:24.42 | xingu | blackelf: a more provocative testcase would be - to just bang away with step time adjustments |
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| 12:25.15 | xingu | blackelf: hah; maybe... I'll see if I can be arsed, now that I've isolated it and got it under control. |
| 12:26.32 | xingu | blackelf: the overhead involved in running their little sysinfo collector script, creating a forum account, being told to upgrade to an as-yet unpackaged 9741... it's reducing the care factor past nil. |
| 12:27.10 | blackelf | well if you dont have minutes to report it, dont complain they dont have days to fix it.. |
| 12:27.28 | blackelf | at least report it without thoes steps for no |
| 12:27.29 | blackelf | now |
| 12:27.38 | callahad | ...and this is why binary blobs are bad... |
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| 12:27.53 | blackelf | this is why binary blobs will not be fixed.. |
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| 12:32.50 | virus | Does anyone know of a lean way to install debian on a host only accessable via SSH with a running rescue system booted via network? |
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| 12:33.17 | xingu | virus: dbootstrap? |
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| 12:33.50 | xingu | virus: the *goal* is a bit one-shot though don't you think? there's not much wiggle room if things go wrong. |
| 12:34.19 | virus | xingu, I can boot the rescue system any time I want - so it's not a problem if things go wrong. |
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| 12:34.49 | virus | xingu, I can boot the rescue system any time I need to. Even a hardware reset is possible. :-) |
| 12:34.52 | JB[away] | !bts #404194 |
| 12:35.00 | xingu | virus: in that case you're probably looking to do dbootstrap onto the host's attached storage similar to f.e. the ia32 chroot jail for amd64 |
| 12:35.14 | eichi | hello, i want to autoload a modul on boot...but it does not work with modprobe...only insmod /path/modul.ko ...where to but it? |
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| 12:35.55 | sep | eichi, is the module in the wrong location ? otherways modprobe should find it |
| 12:36.09 | xingu | virus: if you do that, and also then chroot onto it to install say sshd and maybe a telnetd as well just in case... if you're careful to do things like dpkg-reconfigure the kernel to rebuild the initrd and reapply the grub config etc... |
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| 12:36.51 | cydork | !insmod |
| 12:36.52 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
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| 12:37.13 | cydork | oh he left :P |
| 12:37.17 | sep | cydork, :) |
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| 12:37.33 | xingu | virus: the failure modes will be things like not getting the first (mbr) or second-stage (grub) boot loader installed, not getting the initrd built, not getting the network config right, not getting remote shell service installed/ activated... |
| 12:37.52 | virus | xingu, I'd be happy with an instruction like "mount your target volumes to /mnt and call copy-base-system". In fact that's the way CRUX does the installation. Quite liked that attempt as you've full controll over the partition tables, boot loader, etc. |
| 12:38.16 | virus | xingu, sounds like dbootstrap does exactly what I'm looking for :) |
| 12:39.09 | xingu | virus: debootstrap is the business end of the debian installer |
| 12:39.11 | virus | xingu, okay, found the chapter about debootstrap in the debian manual. cool :) |
| 12:39.15 | xingu | virus: pologies for the typo |
| 12:39.53 | virus | xingu, if that works out well I could imagine doing any future debian install that way - I don't like the most recent debian installer - just get's in my way too often. :-/ |
| 12:40.25 | sep | virus, file bugs ? |
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| 12:40.39 | bigwig | hi |
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| 12:40.45 | xingu | virus: it's pretty straightforward; you then get to graft your own network config on top of course, and as I said be a bit careful with the kernel image and bootloader. |
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| 12:41.40 | xingu | virus: but yeah, it's a reasonable way to do scripted mass deployments I hear. :) |
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| 12:43.01 | virus | sep, it's not about filing bugs - the installer works fine. It's just the fact that older debian installers (like the one for woody) were less "advanced" and for some reason appealed more to me. dunno why ... matter of choice maybe. I just don't trust in any automagical bootloader install. I want a grub installed in my /boot hd and a separate "mbr" that always starts the grub installed in /boot regardless of the active partition. (that makes wi |
| 12:43.01 | virus | ndows happy) |
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| 12:43.48 | virus | And well, out of experience I only had problems with GRUB being installed in the MBR so far. |
| 12:44.34 | sep | virus, hmm well i have never had any problems with grub it's even better then before since now i can use grub to trick windows into working no matter how i juggle the harddrives |
| 12:45.49 | sep | virus, and you can allways use expert mode if you dont want the installer to choose for you. then you'll have just as many questions as in woody installer :) |
| 12:45.49 | itchi | Yup, me too, appart a mistake i did :-) |
| 12:45.50 | bigwig | i am trying to set up DNAT with iptables and i have the following rules in table nat: |
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| 12:45.50 | bigwig | -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 25 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.3:25 |
| 12:46.00 | bigwig | -A PREROUTING -j LOG --log-prefix "PREROUTING: " --log-level 7 |
| 12:46.00 | xingu | virus: if I had to do a 1k+ node blade server farm or distancely-remote systems I'd probably be doing it along those lines, or, by customising the new install image to work unattended |
| 12:46.01 | bigwig | and i have this in table filter: |
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| 12:46.13 | bigwig | -A FORWARD -j LOG --log-prefix "FORWARD: " --log-level 7 |
| 12:46.20 | bigwig | now i am getting messages when i try to access the server on port 25 that: |
| 12:46.26 | xingu | virus: reproducability and predictability become important at times |
| 12:46.29 | bigwig | FORWARD: IN=eth0 OUT=eth0 SRC=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx DST=192.168.0.3 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=59 ID=54663 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40465 DPT=25 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 12:46.33 | virus | :-) |
| 12:46.58 | xingu | virus: for my workstation though, the new (etch) installer worked a treat I must say, well impressed with it |
| 12:47.12 | itchi | bigwig: Your better on #iptables ;-) |
| 12:47.19 | bigwig | DNAT is not working as expected, and I really can't figure out why it is trying to use eth0 for out (eth0 is for wan, eth1 for lan) |
| 12:47.31 | tralala | bigwig, try #iptables |
| 12:47.33 | xingu | virus: but there's different goals for a local-to-you console verses a working-with-remote-hands or largescale rollout |
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| 12:47.57 | yang | how do I load module APM ? CONFIG_APM=m |
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| 12:48.26 | starz | yey |
| 12:48.34 | starz | found me an ultralight way of doing stuff thats still featured :> |
| 12:48.46 | starz | rox+icewm+nvidia-glx+apps i use |
| 12:48.49 | starz | ^_____________^ |
| 12:49.08 | starz | now i can get tiny install and use the power where its needed already lol :> |
| 12:49.17 | tralala | yang, modprobe apm |
| 12:49.22 | itchi | yang: Add acpi=off |
| 12:49.28 | virus | xingu, haven't tried the latest etch installer - the last debian install is *thinks* about one year old. I don't install debian that often as it tends to be a long running thing. ;-) |
| 12:49.34 | yang | itchi: where do i add that? |
| 12:49.42 | itchi | yang: In the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:49.59 | itchi | yang: i.e. /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/hda8 ro vga=771 acpi=off |
| 12:50.34 | virus | debian is like "install - and keep updating". Most the time, unless you really fsck up the package manager and/or do something equally evil. ;-) |
| 12:50.36 | xingu | virus: ditto; the trigger for me is always a writeoff event |
| 12:50.40 | starz | virus, right on lol... i got tired of my bloat and decided to find better ways of doing things and i believe i got it now :> |
| 12:50.42 | yang | itchi: do you think APM controls my battery....becouse the battery won't charge at all... |
| 12:50.57 | starz | xingu, whats a writeoff event |
| 12:51.13 | xingu | starz: when the display goes bang on a 6y+ old notebook? |
| 12:51.16 | itchi | yang: I dunno, but i think you should install apmd also |
| 12:51.35 | starz | also does one need to patch vanillla kernel to compile for debian? i wanna give that 2.6.20 a try |
| 12:51.39 | starz | xingu, ah lol |
| 12:51.43 | virus | I once re-installed debian just for the reason that I didn't want to remove packages one by one that I didn't need anymore. That was the day when I started to actively manage all my packages using aptitude which got this nice dependencies and auto-removal of no longer required packages. |
| 12:51.44 | itchi | yang: Is that an know trouble you have? I mean got you that always or just now with Debian? |
| 12:52.01 | yang | itchi: it could be thart my battery is dead |
| 12:52.14 | yang | itchi: but it started behaving like this only lately |
| 12:52.22 | starz | though there is an awesome panel called gimme but even though i got it to compile i didnt figure out how to run it :/ |
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| 12:52.47 | xingu | virus: deborphan helps with that, but you know what helps more? keeping track of what package chains get hauled in when you install new applications/personalities |
| 12:52.59 | itchi | yang: You gona see, if a day, your laptop will no more start, with the battery in, probably it's the battery that are die. Then remove the battery an test if it work again ... |
| 12:53.09 | xingu | virus: with good records from the latter, unwinding slice by slice is dead simple |
| 12:53.53 | itchi | yang: There are some tools to check the capacity, the life, and soo, i no more remember which tool exactly |
| 12:54.18 | xingu | virus: bruteforcing the equivalent with deborphan needs a good chunk of quiet time once you get past the obvious bits like pruning back to the most recent version of each library package |
| 12:54.37 | yang | [13:54:08] root@laptop /boot # modprobe apm |
| 12:54.37 | yang | FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device |
| 12:54.49 | callahad | I tend to to a full wipe and reinstall annually, just as I become more knowledgable, and to tweak partition sizes. It's also a nice motivation to clean up and re-evaluate things in my home |
| 12:55.24 | xingu | virus: in theory aptitude will do that sort of thing automagically, in practice I see it letting people blow their own feet off for a few years more yet before I'm quite ready to make the shift |
| 12:55.29 | virus | xingu, I was young I was naive and for some reason I had the impression that I really need to install all the 15490 packages.... Just joking, but deborphan didn't help too much in my case. With a ratio of more than 50% bloat it's hard to find the package you really want to keep. ;-) |
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| 12:56.02 | itchi | yang: modprobe -l *apm* |
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| 12:56.14 | callahad | xingu: Good call. Aptitude nuked my system thrice in within 2 days of a reinstall this past month. |
| 12:56.15 | itchi | yang: You should get an little list related to apm modules |
| 12:56.18 | tralala | yang, did you disable acpi and reboot? |
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| 12:56.35 | xingu | virus: heh; it's like what people say is the right thing to do for exercise - a little, often; blow away four packages a day until you're done. |
| 12:56.44 | virus | xingu, heh. ;) |
| 12:57.03 | yang | tralala: no, it's enabled |
| 12:57.19 | itchi | yang: Do that first maybe ;-) |
| 12:57.26 | tralala | yang, you can have either apm or acpi not both at the same time |
| 12:57.28 | xingu | virus: I do it about once a quarter by way of refreshing my own understanding about what the packages actually are |
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| 12:57.40 | xingu | virus: if I don't know, I find out, and retain/deinstall as appropriate |
| 12:57.50 | itchi | yang: Or hold on, with acpi i think you get better info about your battery and so, but not yet sure |
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| 12:58.14 | itchi | yang: Just the time to see "what's happend with it" |
| 12:58.15 | tralala | yang, btw why do you want apm over acpi? |
| 12:59.04 | xingu | callahad: <opinion style="contentious">there's a design flaw with aptitude I think; it conflates usage with dependancy and the two are discrete concepts; it uses dependancy for install as well as uninstall whereas in my estimation it really wants to use dependancy for install and usage for uninstall</> |
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| 12:59.06 | yang | itchi: how can i add those lines in grub...look at my grub options = http://paste.debian.net/18894 |
| 12:59.44 | itchi | yang: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 root=/dev/mapper/laptop-root ro acpi=off |
| 12:59.51 | yang | tralala: i didn't know apm and acpi were related.... |
| 13:00.05 | yang | tralala: then i will just keep acpi |
| 13:00.21 | asg | yang: apm is the older and well supported power management scheme. acpi is new and sexy and utterly fails to work reliably for most people. |
| 13:00.34 | itchi | yang: Line 5, 11, 17, 23, but maybe you want to checkout your battery status |
| 13:00.50 | tralala | good summary - acpi has never worked for me |
| 13:01.18 | itchi | yang: Depend, some computers not work yet nice with acpi, especially older computers before 2000 i think |
| 13:01.22 | yang | itchi: could you modify the grub entry on the paster ? so i know where to add acpi=off |
| 13:01.27 | callahad | xingu: I concur. Manually auditing what it wants to use to satisfy dependencies and marking anything I find truly valuable as manual has seemed to keep things alive on my end, as well as disabling auto-installation for recommends, but the design does have a long way to go. |
| 13:01.31 | xingu | callahad: nb, this is all based on indirect observation, I've not fired it up myself or burrowed into it yet; I'll do so, once things settle down (ie, etch is out and other people have used it a while) |
| 13:01.36 | itchi | yang: He i told you :-p |
| 13:01.40 | itchi | yang: wait |
| 13:01.40 | yang | itchi: yes i have a computer from 1999 |
| 13:01.51 | tralala | yang, install acpid, acpi and run acpi on the command line - it should give you some battery stats |
| 13:02.07 | yang | itchi: and i used apm on previous installation i think |
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| 13:02.12 | itchi | yang: Maybe it have good support for ACPI, we dunno, you need to look to your mainboard spec, internet and so :-/ |
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| 13:02.51 | xingu | callahad: I think usage tracking of packages is the real answer to the issues I've seen folk have on channel with aptitude as well as incidentally to virus' "holy smorgasbord batman" need to prune, but it being time-prohibitive to do so |
| 13:03.12 | yang | tralala: Battery 1: charging, 0%, charging at zero rate - will never fully charge. |
| 13:03.16 | xingu | callahad: we'll see what the good coding fairies bring over the next 12mo. I'm patient, and grateful. :) |
| 13:03.19 | inzion | what could be the reason for a system clock running extremly slow? |
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| 13:03.32 | tralala | yang, is this battery from 1999? |
| 13:03.43 | callahad | xingu: It's quite imperfect, but it is an attempt to replace debfoster / deborphan, which are extant and working *now*, so I don't feel slighted by its unreliability. |
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| 13:04.30 | callahad | How would you manage usage tracking, I wonder. |
| 13:04.30 | itchi | yang: http://paste.debian.net/18896 . Line 23 have a space to many between 'ro' and 'acpi' |
| 13:04.31 | itchi | yang: I'm to lazy :-p |
| 13:04.45 | xingu | callahad: hitcount measuring; doesn't even need to be precise, you could statistically sample and acheive a valid result. |
| 13:05.44 | yang | tralala: yes, it's the original one |
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| 13:06.02 | yang | tralala: but 6 months ago it lasted over an hour |
| 13:06.10 | itchi | yang: Once done, you should need to reboot, but yeah, you have not yet look to the capacity/life of the battery, it will be interesting for you, like you have some troubles with it |
| 13:06.12 | yang | tralala: suddenly it dropped to 0 |
| 13:06.53 | itchi | yang: hhhmm, year, that's near 7 years, i think you battery have done more as usual :-) |
| 13:06.53 | tralala | yang, everything has an expiration date and imo your battery has just reached its own one |
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| 13:08.06 | itchi | yang: Just look with the rigth tool, sorry, i not yet find directly that battery tool :-( |
| 13:08.07 | tralala | yang, there are shops that can recover dead batteries and of course there are those that sell new ones |
| 13:08.32 | xingu | yang: yep, I concur, 7y for a notebook battery is a good stretch; the good news is that nodebook pricepoints are about 30-50% of what they were in '99 - and - you're getting about 6-12x more bang for the buck now than you did then |
| 13:08.42 | yang | tralala: while we are talking about battery, i want to ask something...I don't have the original charger....The port replicator works on 19Volt and 2.64 Ampere, and the power supply works on 19Volt and on 3.15 Ampere (I tested with voltmeter and it reached up to 2.79Ampere of various charging) is that ok, or does it break the battery if there is too much power? |
| 13:08.50 | xingu | yang: so ditch the battery, the charger, and the notebook and go treat yourself to a merry christmas. |
| 13:09.47 | xingu | heh, that would've been a step |
| 13:10.03 | xingu | itchi: 300MHz, did it have a colour screen? :) |
| 13:10.19 | tralala | yang, I don't really know but I wouldn't use a replicated charger on a laptop of mine |
| 13:10.23 | itchi | If interesting to buy an Toschiba Satellite A110-178, i did an Debian setup article http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 |
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| 13:10.59 | itchi | xingu: Yeah, sure :-) It was an Compaq Armada 1750, heh, i was happy about it :-) |
| 13:11.19 | asg | itchi: is that the one with the carrying handle that was also the battery? |
| 13:11.32 | itchi | xingu: It's my first laptop i have buy :-) (i not have many money) My previous was an 36th hands |
| 13:11.57 | yang | itchi: i am quite satisfied with this laptop it's 500mhz, but has 256mb of ram, that is more than enough for what i do....and its very compact only 12" screen |
| 13:12.21 | itchi | asg: No, it worked near fine (some little troubles with acpi too :-p), i still have it too, just hdd is out of order |
| 13:12.44 | yang | but i get all the time error dma_timeout error etc. sometimes it take 5 minutes that hard drive mounts |
| 13:13.00 | itchi | hhhmm, i have an duo core here 1,6GHz with 2MB cache each one, can you imagine how happy i'm am :-) |
| 13:13.13 | xingu | yang: not disparaging your current workstation, and it seems a bit consumerist I agree to just ditch it because the battery went bang - but - here's the thing, at 7y the hdd is due to fail as is the backlight inverter and keyboard membrane |
| 13:13.15 | tralala | My thinkpad 600E is from 1999. I've bought it used and the battery displays the visible signs of being recovered. Other than that my cmos battery died and I've done my worst to replace it with a 90cents one. |
| 13:13.26 | xingu | yang: it's nothing from pain from this point forward, really. |
| 13:13.34 | tralala | We shall see how long it will last |
| 13:13.45 | itchi | yang: Maybe your acpi is also buggy and give some troubles to your HDD, it disable the DMA, so that the hdd is many slower?? |
| 13:13.55 | xingu | yang: a new notebook at the USD500-600 mark will surprise you with its speed and screen resolution. :) |
| 13:14.22 | yang | itchi: yeah i will replace with the APM as you suggested, trying won't hurt |
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| 13:15.11 | tralala | yang, write down your xmas shopping list - laptop battery - 1, laptop hard disk - 1. Any other error messages? |
| 13:15.16 | yang | xingu: hey my mother has a new laptop to watch the TV on it, and my father has one to use it for word...all are better than mine 500mhz :/ |
| 13:15.43 | yang | tralala: no my X-mass present is a SUN enterprise 450 :) |
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| 13:16.27 | xingu | yang: I'd say that your hdd is going bang personally; I'd wager that your acpi *is* buggy, but I don't think there's a correlation between that and your hdd timeouts. |
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| 13:16.50 | xingu | yang: does your hdd support smart? if so, run a long self test on it and see how badly it barfs. |
| 13:16.50 | yang | tralala: It's a brand new drive inside....there are other problems with the computer |
| 13:16.59 | xingu | aah |
| 13:17.03 | itchi | I think acpi conflict with his dma |
| 13:17.18 | itchi | yang: You bios |
| 13:17.24 | itchi | s/You/Your/ |
| 13:17.49 | itchi | yang: But probably the laptop is so old that the manifacture no more work on it |
| 13:18.04 | itchi | yang: In other words, you can forget it |
| 13:18.10 | tralala | well switching over apm cannot hurt (too much) |
| 13:18.22 | xingu | itchi: there are some notebooks of that vintage which will appear udma or 100MHz+ capable to the drive - when they are in fact not at the host end. |
| 13:18.24 | itchi | Sure, it's the only way, apm :-p |
| 13:18.29 | xingu | itchi: I used to own one |
| 13:19.06 | tralala | xingu, brand? |
| 13:19.27 | xingu | yang: just out of interest, if you plump for udma2 settings, do the drive errors go away? |
| 13:19.43 | yang | what i was wondering is, that it could of suffered a shock becouse of power supply which is one ampere over the standard |
| 13:20.21 | tralala | yang, it's a clear possibility |
| 13:21.21 | yang | itchi: you deleted the "single" entry for single user mode ? /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 root=/dev/mapper/laptop-root ro single acpi=off |
| 13:21.27 | xingu | tralala: vaio f-series |
| 13:21.38 | yang | tralala: udma2 ? |
| 13:21.41 | tralala | weather it's an electric shock or something else I can't say but a cloned power supply has the full potential of destroying your laptop |
| 13:21.49 | itchi | yang: I have copy and paste your stuff you gave, gona look |
| 13:22.11 | xingu | tralala: curiously enough I managed to *cook* to c-series by putting 5V pcmcia cards in them |
| 13:22.15 | yang | itchi: sorry, today i am a bit blind |
| 13:22.49 | itchi | yang: Yup, it's not me, (like usual :-)) |
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| 13:24.16 | tralala | xingu, I'm going to have some tough times when it comes to buying a new laptop. Right now the OLPC looks most appealing... |
| 13:24.18 | itchi | Usually it's me i mean, i'm a bit sick :-/ |
| 13:24.32 | yang | itchi: for grub to reload menu.lst what do i have to do? |
| 13:24.40 | itchi | yang: Reboot |
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| 13:25.25 | xingu | tralala: hate to say it but the 945gm whitebox jobbies are pretty good value |
| 13:25.58 | xingu | tralala: my own is one of these http://www.uniwill.com/products/performance/p53in/p53in.php |
| 13:26.57 | Yunhual | hi, what is the relationship between debian and ubuntu |
| 13:27.08 | xingu | strained. |
| 13:27.08 | tralala | xingu, uniwill?! what's that? |
| 13:27.17 | SlayerXP | Yunhual: there's a relationship? |
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| 13:27.44 | stoned | its like this, debian rules, and ubuntu sucks. thats a relationship |
| 13:27.47 | tralala | Yunhual, if you run ubuntu and have questions ask them in #ubuntu |
| 13:27.51 | Yunhual | SlayerXP, what do you means |
| 13:28.11 | Yunhual | tralala, i use debian |
| 13:28.15 | SlayerXP | Yunhual: i wasn't aware there was a relationship. |
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| 13:28.20 | azeem | Yunhual: this is a support channel, that question isn't really on topic here |
| 13:28.42 | inzion | again: what could be the reason for a system clock (software) running extremly slow? |
| 13:28.45 | azeem | SlayerXP: Ubuntu uses Debian packages, so obviously there is some kind of relationship |
| 13:28.49 | Yunhual | azeem, ok, thank you |
| 13:28.49 | itchi | xingu: Hhm, you have the 945GM gfx card? |
| 13:28.55 | SlayerXP | azeem: not at all. |
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| 13:29.03 | xingu | itchi: no, I got a gfgo7600 |
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| 13:29.13 | SlayerXP | plenty of people use my open source software, I have no relationship with them whatsoever. |
| 13:29.30 | xingu | tralala: they're a notebook oem; the notebook itself is sold by various rebadgers |
| 13:29.35 | azeem | depends on your definition of "relationship" |
| 13:29.39 | azeem | but this is off-topic |
| 13:29.45 | LLcoolM | hi, i use approx to cache packages on a local mirror for multiple testing installations. but unfortunately approx seems to keep all old packages that have become obsolete by newer versions |
| 13:29.53 | LLcoolM | any idea why that is? |
| 13:29.56 | itchi | xingu: Ok, the only thing on the laptop here is the poor 3D, in win32 it works amazing, but to be honnest i have not yet look many to get it better running at this stage |
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| 13:30.18 | xingu | itchi: you're 945gm yeah? |
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| 13:30.38 | itchi | xingu: Yes, Intel, work not so good, right now :-( |
| 13:30.59 | itchi | xingu: But have not do anything too |
| 13:31.27 | itchi | xingu: Normally that should work right out of the box, also with 3d, i have heard |
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| 13:32.28 | itchi | I have 3D but, baaaa, in XP playing wiht FlightGear Flight Simulator is toooooo amazing, with all 3D effects on, crazy FPS and so. But not yet in Etch |
| 13:32.35 | xingu | itchi: sounds like you might be short some drm stuff |
| 13:33.05 | itchi | xingu: I dunno what i should need to do |
| 13:33.43 | yang | itchi: i will see if now with acpi-off i won't get anymore dma_timeout errors |
| 13:33.43 | eneloop | itchi, how was it going on vista? |
| 13:34.18 | tralala | xingu, do you have a distributor or theirs for pricing info? |
| 13:34.18 | itchi | eneloop: I dunno, i got an f* rescue cd, XP preinstalled, ha, still need to activate it, but not ask me, i hate XP compared to Debian :-) |
| 13:34.19 | yang | Is Gnome a prefered debian desktop over KDE ? |
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| 13:34.42 | eneloop | itchi, oh |
| 13:34.43 | asg | yang: for many, neither are preferred. |
| 13:34.45 | jatt | yang: prefered by whom |
| 13:35.05 | tralala | yang, for me KDE is preferred |
| 13:35.06 | itchi | We can no more use these cd, like for in qemu and so, big crap yes these rescue (delete all and herinstall) cd |
| 13:35.07 | yang | jatt: prefered by the installer - if you select "desktop" it installs gnome |
| 13:35.21 | liable | hrm, i wonder if debian compiz works on xgl |
| 13:35.28 | liable | time to find out i guess |
| 13:35.35 | asg | yang: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 13:36.02 | avtobiff | liable, it does |
| 13:36.07 | tralala | liable, sounds like you're heading for a painful experience |
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| 13:36.14 | liable | avtobiff: sweet |
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| 13:36.24 | avtobiff | liable, if you have nvidia's beta drivers you can use compiz without xgl |
| 13:36.39 | callahad | Speaking of preferred environments, you know what would be fun to see in the DWN? Profiles of maintainers responsible for larger packages. Software preferences, dotfiles, etc. |
| 13:36.39 | avtobiff | xgl is a bit of a pain in the ass i think. |
| 13:36.51 | liable | tralala: i have just had a 4hour painfull experience, xgl likes to break every 2 months or so, just when i have forgotten what i did to get it working.. :) |
| 13:36.58 | liable | avtobiff: ati :( |
| 13:37.02 | avtobiff | liable, to bad. |
| 13:37.07 | avtobiff | ati sucks at life. |
| 13:37.32 | liable | xgl is ok to build, compiz seems to have changed considerably since the last time i built it |
| 13:37.44 | avtobiff | build? |
| 13:37.45 | xingu | itchi: glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" should say yes |
| 13:37.47 | avtobiff | i installed packages. |
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| 13:37.56 | avtobiff | liable, compiz is in testing. |
| 13:38.00 | xingu | itchi: if not, this is probably your symptom. |
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| 13:38.23 | itchi | xingu: It's Yes :-( |
| 13:38.24 | liable | avtobiff: yeah, well it wasnt last time i compiled it.. |
| 13:38.29 | avtobiff | ok |
| 13:38.46 | itchi | xingu: Yeah, i have 3D, but too poor compared in that XP |
| 13:38.55 | xingu | tralala: for me, rockdirect.co.uk |
| 13:38.58 | avtobiff | it is now. might save you some time. it works really neat to. i have never been satisfied with compiz/beryl until the packages in testing. |
| 13:39.09 | itchi | xingu: I think also that some 3D is calculated by the CPU |
| 13:39.53 | itchi | xingu: It's looks like 'semi' |
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| 13:40.28 | xingu | tralala: there's cheaper variants stateside; don't have any to hand sorry though |
| 13:41.08 | xingu | tralala: just look for 15.4" @ 1680x1050 notebooks with gfgo 7600 and expresscard 54 in them, there's not too many |
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| 13:41.49 | xingu | itchi: yep sure is, it's no way as complex a core as the nv or ati stuff. |
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| 13:42.19 | xingu | itchi: but complexity isn't always a good thing when you have infinite amounts of cpu to play with; what clockspeed governor are you using? |
| 13:42.39 | xingu | itchi: cpufreq-info should tell you if you use that |
| 13:42.48 | plb | anyone having issues with xorg in unstable? keep getting no screens found |
| 13:42.55 | tralala | xingu, thanks |
| 13:43.05 | itchi | xingu: performance |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | !noscreensfound |
| 13:43.17 | dpkg | well, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 13:43.18 | itchi | It's been cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor ? |
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| 13:43.46 | plb | I did say no to framebuffer ;] |
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| 13:44.06 | abrotman | read the rest of it |
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| 13:44.40 | xingu | tralala: http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/spec/spec_p53.asp there ya go. :) |
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| 13:46.02 | yang | which tool is used for setting up the microphone ? |
| 13:46.20 | xingu | itchi: yeah and scaling_cur_freq? also just as a rough indication (yes yes not a benchmark blather blather) what does glxgears -printfps give you? |
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| 13:46.36 | plb | abrotman: yeah it log says no devices detected |
| 13:46.53 | itchi | xingu: 1600000 That looks right if it's 1,6GHz |
| 13:46.54 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:46.54 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 13:47.14 | plb | how should I paste with no X ;] |
| 13:47.47 | tralala | xammu, thanks a lot :) |
| 13:48.05 | plb | perhaps I should just install testing |
| 13:48.18 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 13:48.18 | dpkg | i heard pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 13:49.19 | plb | abrotman: wow you sure do know your way around dpkg ;] |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | dont' tell anyone |
| 13:49.38 | plb | heh |
| 13:49.50 | xingu | itchi: yep, sure is. |
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| 13:50.19 | plb | hrm is mplayer in etch? |
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| 13:50.24 | MatBoy | I thought that kernel 2.6.18-3-686 had Bigmem already by default |
| 13:50.29 | wireddd | beagle seems to be horribly slow |
| 13:50.33 | itchi | xingu: That's looks less, but with 2, is a bit different :-) |
| 13:50.36 | Gnea | !mplayer |
| 13:50.36 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, only in Debian unstable. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 13:50.50 | plb | damn |
| 13:51.07 | Gnea | you might want to try xine |
| 13:51.09 | wireddd | plb, use the debian-multimedia repository |
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| 13:51.29 | plb | yeah I know I was just wondering if it would make it into etch before the freeze |
| 13:51.51 | plb | I don't really like xine |
| 13:52.22 | avtobiff | mplayer is in debian testing? |
| 13:52.22 | abrotman | use vlc ? |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | no |
| 13:52.30 | avtobiff | oh... |
| 13:52.33 | abrotman | !+info mplayer etch |
| 13:52.34 | plb | yeah vlc is nice |
| 13:52.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 13:52.42 | plb | shame it's going to QT |
| 13:52.44 | dpkg | Package 'mplayer' does not exist. |
| 13:52.44 | plb | ;] |
| 13:52.50 | avtobiff | no. not yet. 3/10 days |
| 13:53.06 | callahad | Why the hell did vlc decide to go qt? |
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| 13:53.22 | MatBoy | do I still have to install a BIGMEM kernel for 4GB ? |
| 13:53.31 | plb | callahad: wx is too buggy they said |
| 13:53.39 | liable | hrm, interesting, the debian compiz has the same problem as my compiled one. |
| 13:53.43 | Gnea | MatBoy: yeah |
| 13:53.53 | MatBoy | Gnea, is it ? |
| 13:54.01 | Gnea | MatBoy: ? |
| 13:54.16 | callahad | plb: I will give it to them that wx isn't fun... but I like my gtk :( |
| 13:54.19 | MatBoy | I thought bigmem was already enabled in the new kernel-images |
| 13:54.35 | plb | callahad: yeah well there is always mplayer and xine left ;] |
| 13:54.38 | Gnea | MatBoy: so go and check |
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| 13:55.28 | MatBoy | Gnea, I have 2GB, so not needed now |
| 13:55.36 | MatBoy | but I saw a bigmem image also |
| 13:55.49 | Gnea | MatBoy: you could always just compile your own |
| 13:56.11 | MatBoy | Gnea, yep, but mostly nog needed anymore these days |
| 13:56.25 | MatBoy | *not |
| 13:56.33 | Gnea | MatBoy: what's not needed? |
| 13:56.39 | Gnea | compiling your own? |
| 13:56.44 | MatBoy | Gnea, compiling your own |
| 13:56.50 | MatBoy | the kernel-images are really good |
| 13:56.57 | Gnea | MatBoy: pshaw, i always compile my own |
| 13:57.01 | Gnea | yeah, they're OKAY |
| 13:57.09 | MatBoy | Gnea, I don't, only on servers |
| 13:57.35 | MatBoy | I have the idea that the Nvidia driver has become better and faster |
| 13:57.38 | Gnea | MatBoy: that's fine, but i'll compile my own because the stock kernels are too general |
| 13:57.48 | MatBoy | Gnea, sometimes they are |
| 13:57.53 | yang | when i want to record sound over microphone, i hear only distorsion? |
| 13:57.56 | Gnea | oh they always are |
| 13:58.01 | MatBoy | Gnea, hehe |
| 13:58.04 | Gnea | that's why they're stock kernels :) |
| 13:58.07 | MatBoy | but not in a bad way |
| 13:58.13 | Gnea | didn't say they were |
| 13:58.22 | Gnea | it's just nice to have the option |
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| 13:58.45 | wireddd | I don't think the stock kernels are bloated enough |
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| 13:59.17 | Gnea | wireddd: would you like me to start making some pimped packages? |
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| 13:59.26 | wireddd | its not like it requires that much ram anymore |
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| 14:02.39 | castoff | anyway to get apt-cache to list all packages...i'm looking for a list of all debian packages in text form |
| 14:03.00 | MatBoy | cast, look in the source ? |
| 14:03.09 | MatBoy | castoff, |
| 14:03.28 | castoff | which source? |
| 14:03.53 | MatBoy | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:04.09 | va | I have a big txt file and want to extract email addresses from it. Is there a utility for me? Maybe it can be easily scripted? |
| 14:04.25 | wireddd | do you think that beagle is smart enough not to follow a circular symlink? |
| 14:04.26 | cast | aptitude search * does something |
| 14:04.29 | Gnea | hrm, no... |
| 14:04.45 | yang | how do i enable proper line-in input? |
| 14:05.00 | Gnea | MatBoy: he wants to see the list of the packages themselves |
| 14:05.15 | MatBoy | Gnea, I sometimes go to the source I use |
| 14:05.27 | MatBoy | it's just what works faster |
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| 14:05.51 | castoff | hum...i'll look at the ls-lR.gz |
| 14:05.55 | Gnea | MatBoy: not when you want to see what's been cached on your system itself |
| 14:06.04 | cast | va: it can be easily scripted, maybe just with grep and tr |
| 14:06.08 | MatBoy | Gnea, yeah ok.. |
| 14:06.14 | abrotman | castoff: /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 14:06.20 | MatBoy | but still than... when you do an update... your already lost |
| 14:06.33 | castoff | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:06.58 | Gnea | castoff: grep Package /var/lib/dpkg/available | awk '{print $2}' |
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| 14:07.10 | MatBoy | has someone experienced some speed in the latest nvidia driver ? it's damn fast here |
| 14:07.33 | Gnea | what nvidia driver? video or system? |
| 14:07.38 | va | cast: would you help me? I'm currently looking at perl's Email::Address but it will take me time to produce a perl script and execute |
| 14:07.43 | MatBoy | Gnea, video |
| 14:07.48 | va | meaning I don't know perl |
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| 14:07.53 | Gnea | MatBoy: it gets better all the time |
| 14:08.01 | MatBoy | yep indeed ! |
| 14:08.12 | Gnea | the only thing that sucks is that they keep dropping support for older cards |
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| 14:08.30 | MatBoy | Gnea, and I only use it for desktop usage.. so I don't use it really :p |
| 14:08.43 | malebria | Hello, where can I find doc about the Debian supported file systems. |
| 14:08.49 | Gnea | MatBoy: i only run debian on my systems, so i use it all the time |
| 14:08.58 | YogSothoth | I have an external usb hard drive which should be mounted at boot. I added a line in fstab but it's not working. please see my full fstab: http://pastie.caboo.se/29197 The faulty device is the highlighted one |
| 14:09.04 | MatBoy | Gnea, but you really use it when you are gaming |
| 14:09.07 | malebria | I'm looking for a comparison between them that talks about the advantages and disadvantages of each one. |
| 14:09.18 | MatBoy | Gnea, I like those white bootup screens :D |
| 14:09.25 | Gnea | MatBoy: actually, my desktop *actually* uses it |
| 14:09.29 | Gnea | MatBoy: i run E17 |
| 14:09.38 | MatBoy | have to check what I run |
| 14:10.04 | MatBoy | Gnea, btw I don;t have my nvidia-button in my startmenu anymore |
| 14:10.05 | MatBoy | :S |
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| 14:10.31 | dan2 | is there a way to wait on the pid of process that is not a child? |
| 14:10.33 | Gnea | MatBoy: the backend of the WM requires a video card with libGL capabilities, and since E17 was developed on systems that use nvidia gpu's, it's perfect |
| 14:10.59 | Gnea | dan2: what? |
| 14:11.09 | MatBoy | Gnea, it does not use the GPU here I have the idea |
| 14:11.16 | MatBoy | I have 2 Video-cards btw |
| 14:11.20 | MatBoy | 4 screens |
| 14:11.28 | Gnea | MatBoy: but you don't use E17. |
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| 14:11.30 | MatBoy | I'm on 8776 |
| 14:11.32 | abrotman | dan2: in programming ? |
| 14:11.32 | dan2 | Gnea: I want to be able to wait on a process until it's dead, but the process is not a child of the process |
| 14:11.37 | MatBoy | E17... ? |
| 14:11.40 | dan2 | abrotman: preferably at the shell in this case |
| 14:11.45 | MatBoy | E17 is a desktopmanager isn;t it ? |
| 14:11.49 | Gnea | MatBoy: www.enlightenment.org go do some research before you open your mouth :) |
| 14:11.59 | MatBoy | Gnea, I used it once |
| 14:12.01 | blackelf | hmm |
| 14:12.05 | MatBoy | damn, it didn;t ran that well here |
| 14:12.13 | Gnea | MatBoy: that doesn't mean that you know anything about how it really works ;) |
| 14:12.20 | blackelf | where should I add aplications that I want to auto start when my desktop starts up? (in example KDE) |
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| 14:12.29 | Gnea | well, it's still in development, so it changes all the time |
| 14:12.30 | MatBoy | Gnea, that's already 10 monthsago that I was busy with it |
| 14:12.41 | Gnea | haha 10 months, that's a LONG time ago |
| 14:12.44 | abrotman | dan2: then you'd ask #bash :) |
| 14:12.52 | MatBoy | Gnea, I don;t remember not everything anymore... normally I did :) |
| 14:12.59 | wireddd | blackelf, ~.kde/Autostart |
| 14:13.03 | wireddd | or something like that |
| 14:13.09 | Gnea | MatBoy: smoking crack and meth is bad, mkay |
| 14:13.19 | blackelf | wireddd: oh |
| 14:13.25 | MatBoy | Gnea, no, my hgead was so full that I couldn;t sleep anymore |
| 14:13.27 | Gnea | hehe |
| 14:13.50 | Gnea | in soviet russia, drugs do you! |
| 14:13.50 | wireddd | blackelf, ~/.kde/Autostart |
| 14:13.52 | blackelf | hurd devels do |
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| 14:15.48 | stoned | dude |
| 14:15.51 | stoned | no. |
| 14:15.57 | Gnea | lol |
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| 14:16.11 | stoned | Gnea, whats up man |
| 14:16.13 | Gnea | stoned: hey how ya been? :) |
| 14:16.13 | azeem | blackelf: all the Hurd devels either work at RedHat or at universities these days |
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| 14:16.17 | azeem | I doubt they do much drugs |
| 14:16.20 | stoned | I'm very sick right now |
| 14:16.25 | Gnea | :( |
| 14:16.38 | stoned | 2nd day I didn't go to work, I hope I don't get fired |
| 14:16.41 | Gnea | stoned: i heard about the weather... is it snowing there? |
| 14:16.51 | stoned | I dunno, not been out yet |
| 14:17.08 | abrotman | no windows ? |
| 14:17.14 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 14:17.23 | stoned | I don't like the sun |
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| 14:17.35 | Gnea | it's all overcast here |
| 14:17.41 | abrotman | so .... you live in a closet ? |
| 14:17.58 | stoned | mostly sunny |
| 14:18.02 | stoned | high in the upper 40s |
| 14:18.15 | MatBoy | is aiglx becomming "stable" in debian ? |
| 14:18.15 | stoned | no snow anytime soon |
| 14:18.19 | blackelf | dpkg: give MatBoy aiglx |
| 14:18.22 | azeem | MatBoy: it'll be in etch |
| 14:18.23 | blackelf | erm |
| 14:18.29 | blackelf | dpkg: aiglx |
| 14:18.29 | dpkg | methinks aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ... |
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| 14:18.36 | stoned | argh |
| 14:18.47 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 14:18.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 14:18.49 | MatBoy | hey blackelf :P |
| 14:18.53 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 14:18.53 | dpkg | i guess msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 14:18.57 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: it will never be in stable-sarge. It is in etch-testing (wich will become stable soon). |
| 14:19.09 | MatBoy | I'm on Etch :) |
| 14:19.15 | MatBoy | never use stable for my workstation |
| 14:19.24 | stoned | I use sid for my desktop, sarge for servers |
| 14:19.26 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: please don't msg me .. keep it in the channel |
| 14:19.33 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, ok |
| 14:19.35 | MatBoy | But I really have to say that the latest Nvidia driver ios better than before |
| 14:19.36 | MatBoy | is |
| 14:19.48 | blackelf | pumpkin0: Im on testing, how to apt-get install aiglx? |
| 14:20.03 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, I have a list of package names. Any way to get all corresponding .deb files for i386 architecture? |
| 14:20.16 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: "apt-getupdate; apt-get install xorg" |
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| 14:20.34 | blackelf | pumpkin0: wouldnt apt-get install xorg install the xorg....? |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you want to install them on the machine you're downloading them on ? |
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| 14:20.49 | MatBoy | blackelf, I think so :p |
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| 14:20.55 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, exactly. I wanna over-install them over the unstable/testing packages |
| 14:21.18 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you're going to have to force a downgrade .. and it will probably go badly |
| 14:21.19 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: xorg with the aiglx-extenstion. aiglx is not a server, it is a extendsion ... |
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| 14:21.34 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, it can't get worse than it is at the moment |
| 14:21.41 | blackelf | pumpkin0: I do have xorg. how do I use aiglx then? Im on nvidia real drivers (the binary ones) |
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| 14:21.48 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: wanna bet ? |
| 14:21.59 | MatBoy | Does someone know the problem that Iceweasel (FF had it also) is stil loading when the wimdow is already there ? |
| 14:22.01 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, no, i never bet |
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| 14:22.12 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: check if the aiglx-things are loaded or not (xorg.0.log in /var/log) |
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| 14:22.15 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, but is there any way to do what I want by a script? |
| 14:22.22 | blackelf | MatBoy: I would try killall firefox-bin or simmilar then try again |
| 14:22.24 | wireddd | HardDisk_WP, well this wouldn't be a good thing to bet on |
| 14:22.31 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: give me an example package name |
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| 14:22.34 | MatBoy | blackelf, I have this for months now |
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| 14:22.43 | blackelf | pumpkin0: well I tinkin not.. where should I enable it? in xorg.conf? |
| 14:22.45 | milez | so, |
| 14:22.52 | milez | does iceweasel silently refuse to start for anyone else on unstable? |
| 14:22.53 | blackelf | MatBoy: file in a bug report |
| 14:23.02 | MatBoy | blackelf, ok :) |
| 14:23.04 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, let's take ssh |
| 14:23.06 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: it is autoloaded. |
| 14:23.06 | blackelf | milez: for MatBoy it seems |
| 14:23.16 | milez | MatBoy, what are your symptoms? |
| 14:23.19 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: (if the driver is OK with it...) |
| 14:23.20 | blackelf | pumpkin0: and how do I use it exacly? |
| 14:23.20 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: it's not called 'ssh' in stable :) |
| 14:23.44 | milez | i had some "missing" libs, but that was solved by adding /usr/lib/iceweasel into /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 14:23.59 | milez | it still wouldn't start though. removed config from my homedir, still nada. |
| 14:24.08 | MatBoy | milez, iceweasel runs OK, but I only can have 10-12 open before my system is becomming slow |
| 14:24.19 | milez | that sounds like a memory leak of some sort |
| 14:24.20 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: ?? use it ?? ... like any other Xserver too. You can add other stuff (like compiz) if you want eyecandy. But the aiglx does nothing visible to the user by itself. |
| 14:24.22 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: i'd probably go the debootstrap method |
| 14:24.26 | milez | mine just wouldn't start at all, no error |
| 14:24.28 | MatBoy | milez, sometimes all my windows are closing when I visit a page |
| 14:24.45 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, debootsrap aint possible at my hoster |
| 14:24.48 | blackelf | pumpkin0: so what the benefit of aiglx? faster rendering using GPU even for desktop? |
| 14:24.51 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, lets take wget then |
| 14:24.56 | milez | MatBoy, could it be its linking against some legacy libc or libstdc++ library? |
| 14:25.16 | milez | mine is a completely fresh install! |
| 14:25.23 | milez | dist upgraded from a testing installer |
| 14:25.29 | MatBoy | milez, dunno, abrotman ^^ ? |
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| 14:25.40 | abrotman | ldd ? |
| 14:25.43 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: under 2D ? faster transparent effects if the windowmanager / composite manager supports it. And 3D if the WM/CM supports it. |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | apt-get -t stable -o DPkg::Options::="--force-downgrade" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 14:26.12 | abrotman | but i still say it's a REALLY bad idea |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | !downgrade |
| 14:26.14 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 14:26.55 | eggleston | whenever i try to use file-roller to add a file to an archive i get the following error message |
| 14:27.11 | pumpkin0 | !tell eggleston about paste |
| 14:27.13 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: and someone wrote an article a long time ago about how to downgrade a system |
| 14:27.25 | eggleston | /bin/sh: line 1: rar: command not found |
| 14:27.38 | asg | eggleston: /msg dpkg rar |
| 14:27.38 | eggleston | pumpkin0, it's not very big so i didn't think it mattered |
| 14:27.45 | blackelf | eggleston: apt-get install rar and/or unrar |
| 14:27.48 | cydork | eggleston: install rar |
| 14:27.57 | cydork | eggleston: it's in non-free |
| 14:27.59 | eggleston | asg, it doesn't work with zips either |
| 14:28.14 | asg | eggleston: install zip and unzip ; install rar and unrar |
| 14:28.18 | blackelf | eggleston: install zip, dear watson |
| 14:28.20 | abrotman | http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 |
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| 14:28.33 | eggleston | thankyou |
| 14:28.35 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, thx |
| 14:28.42 | abrotman | i still say it's a REALLY REALLY *REALLY* bad idea |
| 14:28.52 | blackelf | thx is a sorround sound system, mplayer is not cerificated |
| 14:28.55 | abrotman | crap .. i missed a 'really' |
| 14:29.07 | cydork | abrotman: :) |
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| 14:30.26 | MatBoy | cydork, go and drink beer |
| 14:30.26 | MatBoy | :P |
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| 14:31.32 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, well, only a bad idea is a good idea :D |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 14:31.54 | cydork | MatBoy: :) |
| 14:32.14 | MatBoy | cydork, and come back when you are drunk again ;) |
| 14:32.29 | eggleston | hm.. i found a guide on how to create JPG's with RAR archives hidden inside them for windows, but it's not quite as simple on linux |
| 14:33.04 | eggleston | anyone know how to do it? |
| 14:33.08 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: via exif or via stego ? |
| 14:33.14 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 14:33.16 | eggleston | pumpkin0, i'll try them |
| 14:33.22 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:33.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm building openoffice 2.1 from experimental for etch |
| 14:33.54 | eggleston | pumpkin0, couldn't find stego |
| 14:34.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: why? |
| 14:34.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: because some guy needs a newer version here |
| 14:34.21 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:34.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i'm testing etch, because *i* want to roll it out quick |
| 14:34.39 | cast | eggleston: easy. but how hidden do you want? |
| 14:34.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: so i have to test some more things, vmware, afs, 2.6 kernel, xorg, usb automounting and other usb magic stuff |
| 14:35.22 | cast | eggleston: you can just go cat .rar >> .jpg, but else use...outguess |
| 14:35.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: how do you like http://bos.seul.org/screenshots.shtml ? need a debian package? |
| 14:35.39 | eggleston | cast, not very, with the one's i've seen all you have to do is rename the jpgs to rar and open them in an archive manager, they are simply after the jpeg data |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | SEUL! |
| 14:35.56 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography#An_Example_from_Modern_Practice |
| 14:36.00 | cast | eggleston: outguess is defeatable, with some % certainty, but its better than alot you'll find. |
| 14:36.36 | eggleston | cast, outguess is easy to use? |
| 14:36.46 | cast | eggleston: ahh. well that won't work with outguess. winrar/unrar has no chance extracting the data by itself |
| 14:36.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you watch any of those bollywood movies? |
| 14:36.58 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, i cant get step 3/figure 3 working: http://paste.debian.net/18903 |
| 14:36.59 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 14:37.16 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: there is a tool to add a bin-blob into the exif-data. Normal picturebrowsers do not show that data. |
| 14:37.19 | eggleston | cast, would an example of the file i inted to create help? |
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| 14:37.43 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: forgot to escape something ? |
| 14:37.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: with actors like http://images.google.ch/images?hl=de&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=bollywood&btnG=Google-Suche&oe=ISO-8859-1&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 14:37.45 | ghatak | Hi |
| 14:37.46 | eggleston | pumpkin0, in windows you can go 'copy image.jpeg + archive.rar' and hey presto |
| 14:37.50 | RvGaTe | Is there an editor like bluefish, with ftp support ? or should i just mount the ftp location and do it directly instead? |
| 14:37.53 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, something is wrong with the sed ommand, but i cant figure out what |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | neither can i |
| 14:38.23 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh .. i haven't seen any |
| 14:38.23 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible to change the background of the stippled grey X background? |
| 14:38.23 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: that one is easy: "cat image.jpeg archive.rar > image-with-hidden-rar.jpeg" |
| 14:38.24 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: do it directly, i really like lftp (or rsync?) |
| 14:38.33 | tarzeau | abrotman: damn ass funny :) |
| 14:38.50 | abrotman | does BOS run ? |
| 14:38.55 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, just a quick question, how would i mount a ftp ? |
| 14:38.56 | eggleston | pumpkin0, i knew it should be easy. thanks |
| 14:39.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: haven't tried. there seems to be a debian package already (of an older version) |
| 14:39.10 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: you wouldn't |
| 14:39.13 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible to change the background of the stippled grey X background to something less irritating? |
| 14:39.18 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: just use lftp/rsync |
| 14:39.25 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: but some old picture-libs crash if you rad one of thoses with them. |
| 14:39.28 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, you confusing me... |
| 14:39.29 | asg | CharminTheMoose: xsetroot, bsetbg, Esetroot |
| 14:39.29 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: sure, which window manager? |
| 14:39.37 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: do you know what a terminal is? |
| 14:39.45 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: can you write make? |
| 14:39.58 | cydork | tarzeau: have you actully watched a bollywood movie? |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: file a WL bug about the new version :) |
| 14:40.09 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, please dont act as if i'm stupid |
| 14:40.12 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 14:40.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: WL? |
| 14:40.20 | eggleston | pumpkin0, not follwoing that last warning, laymen's terms? |
| 14:40.22 | tarzeau | cydork: sure , two days ago |
| 14:40.23 | abrotman | wishlist |
| 14:40.24 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau:A little known window manager called heliwm which is entirely minimal which is a mere 128kb with everything compiled in |
| 14:40.34 | tarzeau | cydork: gonna watch another with Katja today :) |
| 14:40.36 | ghatak | Hi got a problem with copy and pasting from clipboard in X. So far i have gathered the fact that there two types of clipboards, i am using an application which if copy and paste within that app then it works, it does not work out of it. there is an app autocutsel to monitor but it wont work with my debian, anyway i can fix this ? |
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| 14:40.46 | abrotman | tarzeau: nm .. it's already there |
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| 14:41.11 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: the extra data can confuse some picture-browsers/viewers and crash them It is a classic buffer-overflow attack. Recent software should be OK. |
| 14:41.12 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: :) but why not just use rsync or lftp? |
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| 14:41.40 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, becouse its command line based... i want to be able to open it in an editor, get file listing etc |
| 14:41.59 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, if you worked with dreamweaver on windows, you know what i mean |
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| 14:41.59 | eggleston | pumpkin0, i've been looking at many picture's with hidden's rars in them of ebooks i have downloaded, they have all been treated fine by the image viewer |
| 14:42.03 | tarzeau | cydork: they really have that funny ah ah ah, oh oh oh, uh uh music stuff in between the action. the one i watched had some crap fun scenes, as in the matrix |
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| 14:42.05 | esor | Is there some filemanager or similar that comes with X that gives me an good overview on which images I have in a directory? |
| 14:42.13 | esor | I want to see thumbnails or something like that |
| 14:42.13 | cydork | RvGaTe: use a fuse based fs :P |
| 14:42.19 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: then use windows |
| 14:42.23 | cydork | tarzeau: hahah :) |
| 14:42.28 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, thats not an option ;) |
| 14:42.39 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: really, i know what you mean, to have all transparent |
| 14:42.44 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: GNU/Hurd wants to have that |
| 14:42.47 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: like i said: recent software is OK. The trick-question now: how do you extract the rar later ? |
| 14:42.55 | tarzeau | RvGaTe: but it's a long way, and don't expect linux to have it done properly, ever |
| 14:42.56 | virus | what's the correct way of creating an software raid with partitions that previously had a software raid set up? |
| 14:43.02 | RvGaTe | tarzeau, i guess ill just mount it then :P |
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| 14:45.36 | eggleston | pumpkin0, isn't it just renaming it and file-rollering it? |
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| 14:46.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you also watch that movie? "main hoon na" and tell me what you think? |
| 14:46.58 | pumpkin0 | eggleston: with zip a simple "unzip file-with-hidden-stuff.jpeg" may work. but with rar you have to find the start of the archive... i don't know a tool to do that. |
| 14:47.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: cydork says it's shit, but i don't believe he seen it |
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| 14:48.08 | abrotman | movie ? |
| 14:48.16 | abrotman | i don't have it |
| 14:48.53 | eggleston | pumpkin0, i just use file-roller and it worked immediately, ir was a .RAR |
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| 14:50.30 | cydork | RvGaTe: try fuse! it's nice, if you want to somthing like that |
| 14:50.50 | nayyare-off | how can i give write permission to a specific directory to some user, i dºnt what user to become owner? |
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| 14:52.25 | DerJamster | nayyare-off: add the user to a group that has permission on the dir |
| 14:55.15 | eggleston | cast, how hidden can they become? what kind of process are we talking about to open the RAR archive? |
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| 14:55.47 | cast | eggleston: running outguess and knowing the passwd |
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| 14:56.43 | cast | eggleston: my memory fails me as to if the published attack can only make an estimate to the likelyhood of hidden data within some confidence interval, or if it can actually be extracted |
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| 14:58.25 | eggleston | cast, okay cool |
| 14:59.27 | cast | eggleston: encrypt it with gpg,openssl,mcrypt,seccure if you're worried about people reading it |
| 14:59.52 | eggleston | cast, nah i'm just doing this for the hell of it, it's not like bank details or child porn lol |
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| 15:01.20 | eilker | hi, i only downloaded first cd, will it be enough for installation ? pc does not have internet connection... |
| 15:01.53 | azeem | eilker: yes |
| 15:02.08 | azeem | eilker: though not necessarily for all possible applications you might want to install |
| 15:02.25 | pumpkin0 | eilker: only the base system (no GUI, just console) will be installable. |
| 15:02.43 | liable | er |
| 15:02.59 | liable | pumpkin0: iso1 has kde and gnme (if thats what he has downloaded) |
| 15:03.35 | eilker | liable: really ? |
| 15:03.35 | pumpkin0 | liable: for etch or sarge ? |
| 15:03.44 | HymnToLife | in Sarge, the Desktop Environment install need the first two CDS IIRC |
| 15:03.46 | liable | pumpkin0: sarge for sure, i presume etch |
| 15:03.54 | yang | I am trying to record a sound over microphone on GNUsound...I have chosen ESD setting in GNOME menu, and ALSA in GNUsound , when I try to record i get error can't open default |
| 15:03.55 | HymnToLife | you need only the first oner in Etch cause it has only one DE |
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| 15:04.21 | HymnToLife | one* |
| 15:04.26 | azeem | liable: for etch, there will be seperate CDs for gnome and kde |
| 15:04.36 | HymnToLife | they're already here :) |
| 15:04.39 | azeem | and apparently not all of them fit on the CD, but most of it will |
| 15:04.40 | HymnToLife | and one for XFCE too |
| 15:04.50 | bigwig | bye |
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| 15:04.56 | liable | like 3 iso1's ? |
| 15:04.56 | cydork | azeem: woo.. it's decided? |
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| 15:05.22 | HymnToLife | cydork, yes, at least they're here in the latest weeklies |
| 15:05.31 | HymnToLife | so I doubt they'll remove them |
| 15:05.34 | eilker | debian31-r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 15:05.38 | azeem | cydork: see debian-devel-announce |
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| 15:06.20 | liable | hrm, i must have had an old email adress for dda, havent seen one in ages |
| 15:06.34 | cydork | woot |
| 15:06.35 | eilker | i have downloaded debian31-r4-i386-binary-1.iso, so will i have gui or not ? |
| 15:06.42 | azeem | eilker: yes |
| 15:06.51 | HymnToLife | eilker, you'll also need CD2 IIRC |
| 15:07.00 | azeem | eilker: though not all possible applications, as I said |
| 15:07.35 | eilker | i only wanna install and see it...and i wanna have kde ... |
| 15:07.57 | azeem | I /think/ it will have KDE, though maybe not all of it |
| 15:08.04 | azeem | to be sure, get the second CD as well |
| 15:08.08 | HymnToLife | eilker, I suggest you get an Etch KDE CD then |
| 15:08.11 | azeem | (or download/burn it later if you find out it's missing |
| 15:08.15 | azeem | HymnToLife: point |
| 15:08.20 | protocol1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:08.31 | protocol1 | Firefox* |
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| 15:08.36 | eilker | HymnToLife: etch is new version ? |
| 15:08.41 | HymnToLife | yep |
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| 15:08.56 | DerJamster | eilker: I suggest the netinstall instead. |
| 15:09.04 | protocol1 | yeah loaded etch on my laptop yesterday.....love it |
| 15:09.08 | eilker | i will have internet... |
| 15:09.14 | eilker | sorry |
| 15:09.14 | liable | DerJamster: he said he doesnt have a net connection |
| 15:09.17 | HymnToLife | eilker : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ <= the KDE one is at the bottom |
| 15:09.20 | eilker | i will *not have internet... |
| 15:09.27 | DerJamster | liable: ah, okay. |
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| 15:10.36 | eilker | HymnToLife: the problem: i cant download it, i have only first cd to install, my internet is limited. what i wanna learn is that will i have gui or not ? does anyone know certainly ? |
| 15:10.58 | liable | eilker: yes you will |
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| 15:11.35 | pumpkin0 | eilker: if you just want to testdrive linux: get knoppix. It is a live-CD with GUI, Office and some rescue-tools. |
| 15:11.47 | eilker | liable: will it br gnome or kde ? or will i have chance to select it ? i downloaded debian31-r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 15:11.52 | eilker | *be |
| 15:12.05 | liable | eilker: both |
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| 15:12.52 | eilker | pumpkin0: i am kubuntu user already...my aim is before having the 2. and 3. cd to see debian... |
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| 15:13.01 | depredator29 | hola |
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| 15:13.37 | skel | anyone know where the oids are stored that are used by mrtg? |
| 15:13.43 | HymnToLife | eilker, you won't see anything impressive in Sarge compare to Kubuntu, it's quite old now |
| 15:13.48 | HymnToLife | compared* |
| 15:13.56 | eilker | liable: thanx |
| 15:13.59 | Ronin | HymnToLife: dont consider stability impressive? :) |
| 15:14.09 | HymnToLife | Ronin, not for the new user :) |
| 15:14.16 | pumpkin0 | eilker: debian is a bit more stable, a bit older, a bit more trimmed for servers. You will want the etch-version (forget sarge for freshly installed desktops). |
| 15:15.01 | Ronin | pumpkin0: soft of disagree with taht, sarge makes a nice desktop for a lot of folks too |
| 15:15.06 | eilker | HymnToLife,pumpkin0: but etch is not announced ? i havent seen it at download area... |
| 15:15.20 | eilker | i mean offically |
| 15:15.26 | HymnToLife | eilker, it's still in testing status |
| 15:15.26 | Ronin | eilker: etch isnt released as stable yet, new year some time |
| 15:15.27 | fireba11 | eilker: it isn't decalred stable yet, but it can't be long now |
| 15:15.35 | HymnToLife | which is equivalent to an Ubuntu "stable" |
| 15:15.36 | Ronin | its still available on debian.org though |
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| 15:17.17 | pumpkin0 | Ronin: for older PCs with old, sarge-supported hardware and folks that do not want eyecandy ... yes. But for a ex-ubunut user .. ? |
| 15:17.40 | eilker | if i wanna upgrade to etch, do i need to install the first cd for etch ? or is it possible to upgrade etch from 31r4 ? remember pls, my internet is limited....i have already debian31-r4-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 15:17.55 | HymnToLife | agrred, someone used to KDE 3.5 in Ubuntu will not necessarily like Sarge with KDE 3.2 |
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| 15:18.32 | pumpkin0 | eilker: you can try to update with the 1. etch CD. But the better way is to install etch right from the start. |
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| 15:20.23 | Ronin | pumpkin0: my machines less then a year old, sarge rocks on it, course i dont need or want bleeding edge i want it to work |
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| 15:20.49 | eilker | puff, i think that the best way for me to wait pc magazines to give etch...but i will try to install 31r4, anyone knows what to choose as guest os in vmware ? because there is no debian, may i choose ubuntu ? or 2.6 kernel ? |
| 15:21.18 | pumpkin0 | eilker: 2.6 kernel |
| 15:21.25 | eilker | thank you |
| 15:22.25 | retard | if i have a binary that is requires older glibc (2.2) will it run with what i have now (2.3.1)? |
| 15:23.28 | HymnToLife | retard, if it requires 2.2 and you have 2.3, obviously it won't run |
| 15:23.57 | retard | life sux...ok thanx for saving my time... |
| 15:24.23 | asg | retard: /msg dpkg redhat crap |
| 15:25.24 | retard | k |
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| 15:27.52 | protocol1 | if Im running the testing version of etch...will there be an option to update to stable once its released? |
| 15:28.06 | abrotman | protocol1: start tracking etch now .. |
| 15:28.09 | cydork | protocol1: just run aptitude upgrade :) |
| 15:28.40 | protocol1 | hmmm |
| 15:28.41 | protocol1 | ok |
| 15:28.52 | protocol1 | as root or normal user? |
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| 15:29.00 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: toor |
| 15:29.04 | protocol1 | ok |
| 15:29.05 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: root |
| 15:29.06 | protocol1 | thx |
| 15:29.08 | HymnToLife | jus update, the same way as you normally do |
| 15:29.13 | liable | protocol1: make sure your sources has etch, not testing |
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| 15:30.18 | protocol1 | yeah they are all etch |
| 15:30.34 | protocol1 | except for the cd-rom one |
| 15:30.44 | protocol1 | which I think wont matter |
| 15:30.47 | retard | is there a link for etch netinst iso image?... |
| 15:30.57 | retard | can someone paste it here please. |
| 15:31.00 | cydork | retard: yes /msg dpkg etch |
| 15:31.05 | retard | thanx.. |
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| 15:32.15 | Zmanu | hello |
| 15:32.16 | protocol1 | I guess im running the latest |
| 15:32.20 | protocol1 | :) |
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| 15:32.31 | Zmanu | after i do dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot |
| 15:32.34 | Zmanu | sorry |
| 15:32.44 | Zmanu | so i do apt-get source ncurses |
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| 15:32.56 | Zmanu | after untar, i cd inside and do |
| 15:33.03 | Zmanu | dpkg-buildpackage -b -rfakeroot |
| 15:33.07 | Zmanu | i have this error |
| 15:33.14 | Zmanu | error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory |
| 15:33.21 | Zmanu | is someone can help me ? |
| 15:33.35 | azeem | Zmanu: apt-get source untars already, why do you untar on your own? |
| 15:34.07 | Zmanu | azeem, i do apt-get source untar and that work ? |
| 15:34.11 | Zmanu | i try thanks |
| 15:34.12 | azeem | eh? |
| 15:34.28 | azeem | "apt-get source foo" will download and extract the foo source package |
| 15:34.49 | Zmanu | no that don't do |
| 15:34.55 | Zmanu | but i'm inside a scratchbox |
| 15:35.02 | Zmanu | maybe it's the problem |
| 15:35.07 | azeem | aha. |
| 15:35.13 | azeem | so maybe ask #scratchbox? |
| 15:35.14 | Zmanu | what ? |
| 15:35.30 | Zmanu | i ask in scratchbox but everybody idle |
| 15:35.31 | protocol1 | looks like the time is getting close for etch release |
| 15:35.38 | azeem | Zmanu: then wait a couple of hours |
| 15:35.38 | protocol1 | month or so.... |
| 15:35.52 | Zmanu | azeem, i start ask yesterday night |
| 15:35.53 | azeem | Zmanu: do you have a debian/ directory in the ncurses directory you cd'd in? |
| 15:36.04 | azeem | Zmanu: well, it's holiday season... |
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| 15:36.27 | Zmanu | azeem, yes, it's a bad news for me |
| 15:36.34 | PumpkinPie | 15 hours later, 1 case swaped out |
| 15:37.10 | PumpkinPie | it takes that long to go from a tower to a 1U and keep quality in mind |
| 15:37.11 | Zmanu | azeem, strange i re-download and now that work |
| 15:37.21 | Zmanu | azeem, thanks for your help |
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| 15:37.59 | Dantix | hi all, from a hour my debian can not resolve hosts using dns, I've updated resolv.conf, restarted the networking service, but still the same situation, how ca I force debian to update the dns changes? |
| 15:38.25 | azeem | can you ping your dns server? |
| 15:38.37 | azeem | is that your ISP's dns server, or do you operate it yourself? |
| 15:38.46 | Dantix | yes, by IP and respond |
| 15:38.49 | liable | Dantix: editing resolv.conf takes effect immediately |
| 15:39.20 | azeem | Dantix: can you ping 72.14.221.99? |
| 15:39.20 | rahul | liable: but you have to restart all processes using it |
| 15:39.27 | liable | rahul: nope |
| 15:39.28 | Dantix | azeem: let me see |
| 15:39.53 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, well, i tried to get the downgrade running, but nearly all commands seem to be outdated :-( |
| 15:39.55 | Dantix | azeem: yes |
| 15:39.59 | rahul | liable: nss reads the file when the lib is initialized |
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| 15:40.05 | azeem | is that your ISP's dns server, or do you operate it yourself? |
| 15:40.23 | Dantix | azeem: ISP's |
| 15:40.43 | azeem | Dantix: maybe try a secondary dns server, if your ISP has any? |
| 15:40.59 | liable | rahul: *shrug* i just had some issues with a wireless network and it worked as i said.. |
| 15:41.08 | Dantix | azeem: right, I'll back with news |
| 15:41.19 | liable | rahul: i believe its documented somewhere too |
| 15:42.00 | retard | dantix...just use 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2...they are up all the time... |
| 15:42.29 | rahul | liable: were you using tools like host and ping or a web browser? |
| 15:42.39 | liable | Dantix: try dig @your-dns-server www.google.com |
| 15:42.42 | Dantix | retard: that are ip addresses? |
| 15:42.47 | liable | rahul: everything |
| 15:42.54 | retard | dns server ip addresses... :D |
| 15:43.06 | rahul | liable: the browser was running continuously through all the updates and got them? |
| 15:43.07 | retard | i dont know what is you problem exactly...sorry if i am talking about something else. |
| 15:43.17 | retard | busy doing things here.. |
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| 15:43.42 | liable | rahul: yes, i had tcpdump going and after one or two tries, it switched over to the new dns server, try it.. |
| 15:43.58 | rahul | liable: interesting. must be a new enhancement |
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| 15:46.06 | protocol1 | which one should I load id I want XMMS on my machine |
| 15:46.16 | rahul | one? |
| 15:46.17 | protocol1 | XMMS or XMMS2 |
| 15:46.24 | rahul | protocol1: which one do you want? |
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| 15:46.35 | retard | it is just new and old... |
| 15:46.43 | protocol1 | which one would you prefer? |
| 15:46.50 | rahul | protocol1: neither |
| 15:46.56 | retard | 2 |
| 15:47.15 | protocol1 | what would you recommend for playing mp3 audio files? |
| 15:47.22 | protocol1 | besides xmms |
| 15:47.25 | rahul | mplayer or gqmpeg |
| 15:47.31 | azeem | protocol1: any other audio player |
| 15:47.33 | retard | beep-media-player....amaroK |
| 15:47.43 | rahul | defplayer ;) |
| 15:47.48 | azeem | protocol1: this is highly personal opinion, so please test a few and make up your own decision |
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| 15:48.13 | retard | mpg321 ;) |
| 15:48.20 | rahul | ogg123! |
| 15:48.29 | retard | !!11 |
| 15:48.46 | rahul | no no, !!23 |
| 15:49.01 | mc__ | protocol1: amarok is great |
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| 15:49.09 | sineer | hi! |
| 15:49.19 | rahul | !ih |
| 15:49.20 | retard | hi |
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| 15:50.55 | sineer | I'm looking for an app that will tell me what are the difference between 2 CD (filenames only, don't care about the content) I need to know what files were added or removed on a new version of a technical cd that contains hundreds of files... |
| 15:50.57 | raz0 | protocol1, Definitely personal oppinion. Depends whether you want something light or something with a lot of very useful functionality. I prefer the latter, so I use Amarok. |
| 15:51.21 | raz0 | sineer, find and diff? |
| 15:51.23 | sineer | I guess I want the equivalent of find . >> cd1 yeah |
| 15:51.38 | protocol1 | ok thanks guys...I will try out Amarok |
| 15:51.47 | rahul | diff -Urn cd1 cd2 |
| 15:52.30 | sineer | Thanks rahul! I'll try that |
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| 15:54.59 | SpeS | hi |
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| 15:56.11 | SpeS | is it a good idea to use testing? (in a desktop box), and, just changing sarge--->testing in sources.list and dist-upgrading, would be enough? |
| 15:56.24 | azeem | SpeS: read the etch release notes |
| 15:56.36 | azeem | and yes, basically, if you don't need total security support |
| 15:56.59 | SpeS | aham, thanks :) |
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| 15:57.05 | yoo | Hi ! |
| 15:57.11 | raz0 | SpeS, Though be very aware about updating just after etch release! |
| 15:57.12 | retard | hi5 |
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| 15:57.32 | yoo | i want find my cdrw devices |
| 15:57.39 | retard | raz0, and when will be the etch release?. |
| 15:57.40 | yoo | i use wodim -scanbus |
| 15:57.50 | yoo | Cannot open SCSI driver! |
| 15:57.58 | SpeS | raz0, ok, I'll read about that... :S |
| 15:58.02 | pumpkin0 | !tell retard about wir |
| 15:58.06 | yoo | i 'm running debian testing |
| 15:58.13 | HymnToLife | retard, they said it would be in December but it seems unlikely |
| 15:58.18 | HymnToLife | there is no official date |
| 15:58.20 | yoo | i read wodim documentation |
| 15:58.26 | retard | ok |
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| 15:58.45 | yoo | i add in /etc/wodim.conf |
| 15:58.45 | raz0 | retard, Is it a joke, or? The topic says when it's ready. |
| 15:58.48 | yoo | CDR_DEVICE=/dev/hdc |
| 15:58.52 | yoo | but nothing |
| 15:58.58 | plb | hrm in ubuntu there is a printing section in preferences for gnome...what is the name of this pkg in debian? |
| 15:59.07 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 15:59.07 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 15:59.17 | abrotman | gnome-cups ? |
| 15:59.23 | yoo | in grub i add |
| 15:59.23 | plb | hm thanks |
| 15:59.25 | yoo | hdc=ide-cd |
| 15:59.33 | yoo | but alway this problem |
| 15:59.35 | plb | er now |
| 15:59.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell yoo about enter |
| 15:59.38 | plb | no |
| 15:59.57 | yoo | SerajewelKS, soory |
| 16:00.00 | plb | cups-manager hrm lemme see |
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| 16:00.24 | raz0 | SpeS, It's mainly because all sorts of new packages that have been unhold until after release will be introduced then, and that often leads to breakage. |
| 16:00.34 | plb | there is gnome-cups-manager but that didn't do anything |
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| 16:01.21 | SpeS | raz0, aham I see, so there's not any problem to upgrade until etch is release, right? |
| 16:01.40 | raz0 | SpeS, No. It's should be very stable just before release. |
| 16:01.46 | SpeS | ok ok, good then, thanks :) |
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| 16:02.30 | raz0 | SpeS, Pretty obvious really. testing is most stable just before it becomes stable. ;) |
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| 16:02.59 | plb | abrotman, any other ideas on what the name could be? |
| 16:03.20 | heh_v_water | i have a feeling this is gonna be a very busy room when people start upgrading to etch more.. seems there's lots of changes compared to woody>sarge |
| 16:03.22 | azeem | plb: what do you mean "didn't do anything"? |
| 16:03.24 | SpeS | I used to be confused about testing and sid |
| 16:03.49 | abrotman | plb: apt-cache search gnome cups |
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| 16:03.55 | plb | azeem, there is a printing section in ubuntu..I'm trying to find that pkg |
| 16:04.17 | azeem | plb: I was talking about your comment on gnome-cups-manager |
| 16:05.46 | SpeS | Err http://non-us.debian.org testing/non-US/main Packages |
| 16:05.46 | SpeS | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:05.51 | SpeS | ???? |
| 16:05.59 | pythonic | hi! why does postgres run in system_u:system_r:initrc_t (not system_u:system_r:postgresql_t)? |
| 16:05.59 | rahul | ~~~~ |
| 16:06.00 | apt | ARGH!!! STOP IT rahul!!! |
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| 16:06.03 | azeem | SpeS: non-us does not exist anymore |
| 16:06.05 | rahul | heh |
| 16:06.06 | abrotman | no more non-us |
| 16:06.09 | rahul | poor apt :) |
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| 16:06.21 | SpeS | no license problems any more? |
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| 16:06.26 | abrotman | !non-us |
| 16:06.27 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 16:06.35 | rahul | it wasn't license problems |
| 16:06.41 | rahul | it was the definition of WMD |
| 16:07.00 | rahul | 128-bit encryption was considered a WMD |
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| 16:07.12 | SpeS | WMD? |
| 16:07.19 | SpeS | I'm not from US... |
| 16:07.24 | felipefg | good day ppl |
| 16:07.28 | pythonic | is my computer to be invaded next? |
| 16:07.51 | rahul | actually, dunno if it was in the same category as WMDs, but it was considered a non-exportable munition |
| 16:08.08 | rahul | as was a ps2 when it was released |
| 16:08.16 | abrotman | SpeS: it was export restrictions |
| 16:08.32 | felipefg | does someone use usplash or bootsplash for a prettier boot screen? |
| 16:08.44 | SpeS | I see, so no problems any more, good :) |
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| 16:08.46 | eilker | apt-get install x-window-system ? is it correct ? |
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| 16:08.57 | rahul | eilker: syntax looks fine |
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| 16:10.36 | SpeS | well, I'll do the dist-upgrade now, thanks very much for the information :) |
| 16:10.36 | pythonic | anyone tried selinux in etch? |
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| 16:13.30 | cydork | !tell HardDisk_WP -about away |
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| 16:19.24 | felipefg | i found a discussion where David Härdeman posted a usplash theme, but the link is broken. |
| 16:20.22 | felipefg | i wish i could have something diferent than Debian Edu's on my desktop :-) |
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| 16:25.15 | pythonic | hi! why does postgres run in system_u:system_r:initrc_t in etch? |
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| 16:32.56 | g00se | Got my eye on Fasthosts hosting but they only supply RH flavours. They say I can put my own OS on there. What would the shortest installation path over SSH be between RH & stable? |
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| 16:33.20 | AngusRichardFinn | is there a way to convert an ntfs-partition to an ext2/3-partition? can GPartEd-live-cd do this ? |
| 16:34.10 | geo-rge | AngusRichardFinn: the way is: back up all files, delete partition, create partition, format partition, restore files |
| 16:35.23 | AngusRichardFinn | there must be another way .. |
| 16:35.42 | geo-rge | ntfs is not exactly well-known |
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| 16:36.41 | fflush | AngusRichardFinn: if you ntfs partition is not full you could shink it , create a new ext3 or ever partition and copy the files over |
| 16:36.44 | geo-rge | you should back up the entire drive before you do any of this anyway |
| 16:37.30 | fflush | AngusRichardFinn: and of course listen to geo-rge |
| 16:37.41 | pumpkin0 | AngusRichardFinn: No, there is no other way. NTFS is a microsoft trade secret. and linux-people avoid it like the plague. |
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| 16:39.27 | geo-rge | this is a data partition? the win os is on it? |
| 16:39.38 | AngusRichardFinn | and.. the linux driver for write access to ntfs.. how stable is it? |
| 16:39.43 | AngusRichardFinn | it's a data-only partition |
| 16:39.46 | geo-rge | not. |
| 16:39.48 | blondie | arieler137: not remotely stable |
| 16:39.50 | blondie | erm |
| 16:39.51 | blondie | AngusRichardFinn |
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| 16:40.43 | pumpkin0 | AngusRichardFinn: it works most-of-the time. Do not use it for mission-critical stuff. It is OK if you have nothing to lose. (good backup, no important data) |
| 16:40.57 | eilker | is it ok ? apt-get install gdm ? |
| 16:41.06 | geo-rge | the only glimmer of hope is the -read- ntfs driver is somewhat reasonable |
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| 16:41.51 | pickcoder | so far so good with this S5000VSA from Intel, after a lot of firmware headaches |
| 16:41.57 | geo-rge | eilker: sure |
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| 16:42.24 | pickcoder | the board wouldn't even see my PCI-X controller until I updated BIOS |
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| 16:43.02 | eilker | geo-rge: gdm depends gksu >=1.0.7 but it not instalable |
| 16:43.19 | eilker | i cant install gksu too |
| 16:43.21 | pickcoder | the distributed "live cd" doesn't work with current firmware updates so you have to download a whole new CD and burn it |
| 16:43.24 | geo-rge | eilker: hmm. on sarge? |
| 16:43.29 | eilker | yes |
| 16:43.31 | jindal | hello guys, i was upgrading but faced errors on mysql-server http://jindal.pastebin.ca/288805 .....(i386 unstable) |
| 16:43.33 | eilker | 31r4 |
| 16:43.39 | eilker | i just installed it |
| 16:43.44 | pumpkin0 | eilker: the i-have-only-1-CD install ? |
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| 16:43.50 | eilker | yes |
| 16:44.04 | pumpkin0 | eilker: try apt-get install xdm |
| 16:44.16 | eilker | pumpkin0: by the way there is no kde in cd1, just gnome |
| 16:44.20 | geo-rge | are you installing from cd? or are the packages coming from the net? |
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| 16:44.40 | pumpkin0 | eilker: i was the one saing you would get console only ... |
| 16:44.42 | eilker | from cd, and i didnt look at source.conf... |
| 16:44.55 | cydork | jindal: can you stop mysql server? |
| 16:45.01 | eilker | pumpkin0: no problem:) i just gave info |
| 16:45.12 | jindal | heya cydork, yeah i can but with errors |
| 16:45.13 | geo-rge | eilker:ok, so packages come from the cd right now |
| 16:45.15 | pickcoder | jindal: did you check the bugs page? |
| 16:45.20 | geo-rge | yes? |
| 16:45.26 | jindal | pickcoder, nope |
| 16:45.27 | pickcoder | jindal: there is no support for unstable, btw |
| 16:45.33 | pickcoder | afterall it's unstable |
| 16:45.35 | jindal | yeah fine |
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| 16:45.43 | pickcoder | jindal: bugs.debian.org |
| 16:45.50 | pickcoder | search for that package under unstable |
| 16:45.51 | eilker | geo-rge: gnome packages from cd , but X from net |
| 16:45.55 | pickcoder | see if someone has already posted a bug report |
| 16:45.57 | jindal | pickcoder, oks |
| 16:46.02 | geo-rge | eilker: when you apt-get install something, you need the cd? |
| 16:46.21 | cydork | jindal: wht happens if you run it after you stoppd it? |
| 16:46.24 | geo-rge | hmm, interesting |
| 16:46.36 | eilker | geo-rge: i just installed it, i dony know:) but xdm is coming from repo's |
| 16:46.37 | jindal | cydork, i paste it |
| 16:46.43 | pumpkin0 | eilker: before a lot of poeple ask the same question: put /etc/apt/soucres.conf in a pastebin |
| 16:46.58 | geo-rge | sources.list? |
| 16:47.08 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: err... yes. |
| 16:47.08 | geo-rge | did the name get changed?? |
| 16:47.19 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
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| 16:47.48 | geo-rge | he's console-only right now, yes? |
| 16:47.58 | jindal | cydork, http://jindal.pastebin.ca/288814 |
| 16:48.01 | eilker | pumpkin0: i need a source list :) |
| 16:48.15 | pumpkin0 | eilker: no file at all ??? |
| 16:48.20 | geo-rge | eilker: look in /etc/apt/ |
| 16:48.54 | geo-rge | pumpkin0: we can't believe all of that if apt-get does anything :P |
| 16:48.56 | eilker | pumpkin0: noo, i have two repo it is cd, and security.debian.org |
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| 16:49.02 | goingtomoonbrb | Ok, I plugged in my iPod. Normally it comes up as /dev/sda, but I don't see any sd* in my /dev. The iPod is charging from the USB port, so there is a connection. Anyone have an idea? |
| 16:49.15 | geo-rge | eilker: ok, that answers all my questions |
| 16:49.38 | pumpkin0 | eilker: add: "deb ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" and run "apt-get update". |
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| 16:50.38 | eilker | pumpkin0: but this is sarge... |
| 16:50.39 | geo-rge | pumpkin0, nono! he's running sarge |
| 16:50.39 | pumpkin0 | eilker: OK, OK, same line with "sarge". |
| 16:50.43 | cydork | jindal: what is there on line 42 in /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh? |
| 16:50.43 | pumpkin0 | !tell eilker about mirrors |
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| 16:51.06 | geo-rge | eilker: well... you -could- try etch; it's not too bad |
| 16:51.15 | deebu | help! not able to install debian etch! |
| 16:51.19 | geo-rge | it wouldn't be the end of the world or anything |
| 16:51.26 | geo-rge | deebu: why? |
| 16:51.32 | eilker | my internet is limited... |
| 16:51.37 | jindal | cydork, SPL_PRG=/lib/splashy/$RUNLEVEL-progress |
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| 16:51.56 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 16:52.05 | deebu | i downloaded cd#1 from the weekly build...checked its integrity....but 2 things happened: it said it cant detect my ethernet card.....and said no kernel modules were found! |
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| 16:52.58 | geo-rge | but can you install the base from the cd, ignoring the net for now? |
| 16:53.00 | pumpkin0 | deebu: download netinstall or all 16 CDs. with CD 1 alone you don't get much. Then find you which NIC-chip is installed |
| 16:53.02 | RvGaTe | Is there a web-developer extension for firefox on linux ? |
| 16:53.03 | jindal | cydork, that must have come from splashy package i had installed |
| 16:53.05 | deebu | i downloaded cd#1 from weekly build....but installlation failed...it said it cant detect my ethernet card.....and said no kernel modules were found! whats wrong? |
| 16:53.27 | geo-rge | cd 1 should have the toolchain on it |
| 16:53.34 | deebu | pumpkin0, ive a slow internet so cant use internet in any way... |
| 16:53.42 | geo-rge | you said that already :P |
| 16:53.47 | cydork | jindal: check if RUNLEVEL is set |
| 16:54.12 | jindal | cydork, nope aint set in script |
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| 16:54.24 | deebu | what could be wrong with cd#1? does debian not detect ethernet cards...NO other distro ever failed to detect it.. |
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| 16:54.29 | protocol1 | can I get all the default etch repositories urls from somewhere? |
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| 16:54.51 | geo-rge | deebu: tell it to ignore the net for the moment |
| 16:55.00 | protocol1 | I mis-placed mine when I was doing some work |
| 16:55.05 | geo-rge | protocol1: you've just invented a "mirror list" |
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| 16:55.12 | cydork | jindal: well is there any /lib/splashy/[0-6]-progress ? |
| 16:55.14 | pumpkin0 | !tell protocol1 mirrors |
| 16:55.23 | pumpkin0 | !tell protocol1 about mirrors |
| 16:55.30 | enveezee | man, marillat (debian-multimedia) is giving me all kinds of shit, and I did the gpg song and dance but its still complaining when I reload synaptic |
| 16:55.35 | cydork | jindal: or /lib/splashy/*-progress ? :P |
| 16:55.37 | deebu | geo-rge, ignore the net? i did that...but it gave me one more error.."failed to load kernel modules" |
| 16:55.42 | juanma | hello, anyone can get gnome 2.16 from any source? |
| 16:55.43 | eilker | is nautilus like konqueror? can i use it as a web browser? |
| 16:55.49 | enveezee | eilker: no |
| 16:55.55 | eilker | pehh |
| 16:56.00 | geo-rge | deebu: can you go beyond that? |
| 16:56.05 | enveezee | eilker: gnome uses epiphany for a web browser |
| 16:56.12 | deebu | geo-rge, im not able to... |
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| 16:56.32 | pumpkin0 | deebu: SATA-CD drive ? |
| 16:56.32 | deebu | geo-rge, it said installation will fail without kernel modules... |
| 16:56.39 | deebu | pumpkin0, no IDE |
| 16:56.58 | pumpkin0 | deebu: verify the CD-R is written properly. |
| 16:57.05 | geo-rge | so no sata hardware at all? |
| 16:57.10 | deebu | i had high expectations from debian etch:( |
| 16:57.30 | deebu | pumpkin0, i tested the integrity...it said it was successful...CD is valid |
| 16:57.31 | pumpkin0 | deebu: it is called testing for a reason .. |
| 16:57.45 | deebu | pumpkin0, ive no sata stuff anywhere |
| 16:57.47 | pumpkin0 | deebu: after download or after burning it ? |
| 16:57.49 | geo-rge | deebu: you had high expectations from debian etch... and also the kernel that comes with it |
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| 16:58.03 | deebu | pumpkin0, after burning |
| 16:58.18 | geo-rge | hmm, he's right tho, if the kernel modules are not on the cd he might be stuck |
| 16:58.18 | juanma | ang gnome release gnome 2.16 as stable for another reason |
| 16:58.20 | deebu | geo-rge, is etch's kernel inadequate? |
| 16:58.45 | geo-rge | deebu: maybe the one on cd 1 is, I havben't looked into it |
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| 16:59.19 | geo-rge | but you have a lot of choices (including non-debian ones) |
| 16:59.25 | deebu | so should i download EtchRC1 now? what do i download from my university...boy now ive to wait for 3 days..coz classes resume on tueday.. |
| 17:00.01 | geo-rge | you could try that, the rc1 installer is smaller than cd1 |
| 17:00.07 | deebu | or do i download sarge? i dont want sarge! |
| 17:00.08 | CharminTheMoose | damn i'm annoyed |
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| 17:01.26 | protocol1 | pumpkin0, those are mirrors to download etch |
| 17:01.26 | geo-rge | no problem, you can either get sarge netinst and upgrade to etch or get etch rc1 installer |
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| 17:01.27 | geo-rge | we've heard lots of success reports on the installer |
| 17:01.27 | protocol1 | I was looking for default repositories for etch |
| 17:01.27 | deebu | ive slow internet so net install is out of question! |
| 17:01.31 | FlopsyPete | Anyone know where madwifi-modules-2.6.18-3-686 went? It was in Testing the other day, now its gone |
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| 17:01.46 | juanma | no ones likes gnome 2.16? |
| 17:01.49 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: these mirror all packages from etch, sarge, woody and sid. |
| 17:01.56 | geo-rge | deebu: it will install the base from the cd, together with a working kernel |
| 17:02.02 | deebu | so i should download etch rc1 installer right? but ive a feeling it wont detect my ethernet card?? |
| 17:02.13 | eilker | pumpkin0: thanx, now it works |
| 17:02.13 | protocol1 | those dont have deb in from of them |
| 17:02.27 | geo-rge | deebu: what kind of eth card? |
| 17:02.28 | pumpkin0 | deebu: if you would tell us which ethernet-card you have ... |
| 17:02.31 | eilker | pumpkin0: do i need xdm too ? or gdm is enouf ? |
| 17:02.45 | geo-rge | you only need one dm |
| 17:02.53 | enouf | huh? |
| 17:02.55 | deebu | its simple Intel inbuilt ethernet card |
| 17:03.03 | pumpkin0 | eilker: xdm does the same as gdm. or kdm. It does not matter which one you use. |
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| 17:03.18 | pumpkin0 | deebu: i have a simple 4 wheels car. guess which one ? |
| 17:03.20 | geo-rge | deebu: should work, and even if it doesn't, you can still install the base |
| 17:03.22 | enouf | oh.. |
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| 17:03.54 | geo-rge | pumpkin0: that new 5-wheeler with a missing one! |
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| 17:03.59 | deebu | pumpkin0, how do i get more info? no other distro ever failed at detectin it... |
| 17:04.08 | jinda1 | hey cydork, i got disconnected... ye here? |
| 17:04.13 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: wrong, next ! |
| 17:04.18 | deebu | geo-rge, what will i do wid base? |
| 17:04.19 | protocol1 | pumpkin0, what I am saying is I lost the default repository locations in my source.list |
| 17:04.19 | geo-rge | deebu: then there's a good chance |
| 17:04.20 | pumpkin0 | deebu: got windows ? |
| 17:04.23 | rahul | deebu: did you take a look at the box of the thing you bought? |
| 17:04.24 | deebu | yes |
| 17:04.25 | protocol1 | trying to get them back in there |
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| 17:04.51 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: and i say the http-page lists all the repos that may be used during install. Pick one. |
| 17:04.53 | protocol1 | Im sure theres a url to copy paste them from |
| 17:04.54 | deebu | cant i see it in linux? |
| 17:04.55 | geo-rge | deebu: put cd source in your sources.list and install stuff from the cd |
| 17:05.08 | geo-rge | are you running linux now? |
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| 17:05.12 | pumpkin0 | deebu: "lspci -v" shows it too. |
| 17:05.13 | geo-rge | you can try lspci |
| 17:05.17 | eilker | i dont have any web browser for gnome, apt-get install firefox ? or another package name for firefox? |
| 17:05.18 | deebu | geo-rge, i see.. |
| 17:05.34 | rahul | web browser for gnome? |
| 17:05.40 | rahul | heh, that would be galeon.... heh |
| 17:05.53 | geo-rge | the base is a very small piece of debian, it's the minimum you can install |
| 17:06.08 | pumpkin0 | eilker: you can use any browser with gnome. firefox, opera, mozilla .. |
| 17:06.19 | geo-rge | it's just enough to install more packages |
| 17:06.57 | geo-rge | anyone know how big the rc1 installer is? |
| 17:07.10 | eilker | what is the the smallest browser :) ? |
| 17:07.18 | eilker | firefox is 25 mb... |
| 17:07.19 | pumpkin0 | eilker: lynx (text-only) |
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| 17:07.29 | Gathond | lynx or links is my quess |
| 17:07.36 | Gathond | ehh guess anyway |
| 17:07.40 | deebu | pumpkin0, heres the output of my ethernet card: http://rafb.net/p/WzK09m55.html |
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| 17:07.53 | eilker | not text mode:) |
| 17:08.09 | deebu | am i to assume that the debian etch is inadequate/incapable? |
| 17:08.14 | Gathond | opera perhaps, if you don't mind that it is not free software |
| 17:08.38 | Gathond | opera 9.0 for debian is a 5 MB download anyway |
| 17:08.42 | eilker | !opera |
| 17:08.42 | dpkg | opera is, like, a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 9.0 is the latest stable version and debs are available at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or damn nice browser, especially under the hood. add "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera sarge non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, substitute sarge with your favorite Debian release. |
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| 17:09.08 | geo-rge | 0000:01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81) |
| 17:09.13 | deebu | should i download Etch RC1 from here? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/ plz say.... |
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| 17:09.58 | pumpkin0 | deebu: possible. |
| 17:09.58 | deebu | pumpkin0, whats possible?? |
| 17:09.58 | geo-rge | deebu: sure... but... there's another place too, look at the last url in the /topic |
| 17:09.59 | eilker | !firefox |
| 17:09.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firefox is the successor to Mozilla Navigator, or the best web browser EVER! apt-get install mozilla-firefox (just "firefox" for 1.5), or stew> greycat: echo "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs"" >> ~/.gtkrc-2.0 ; fixes the keybindings. see also <firefox support>, or ask me about <iceweasel> |
| 17:10.13 | pumpkin0 | deebu: it is possible to use that mirror to download the iso. |
| 17:10.40 | pumpkin0 | eilker: go opera. It is the smaller option ... |
| 17:10.59 | geo-rge | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:10.59 | geo-rge | that one |
| 17:11.09 | deebu | pumpkin0, i hope etch CD#1 does not give me such a bad experience will it? |
| 17:11.22 | geo-rge | no idea :) you can only try |
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| 17:11.54 | geo-rge | btw, if you have eth, how slow can your net be? |
| 17:11.59 | deebu | geo-rge, i cant use netinstall cd...ive very slow connection at home.. |
| 17:12.12 | geo-rge | yes you can |
| 17:12.17 | geo-rge | it has the base on it |
| 17:12.25 | geo-rge | and all of the installer too |
| 17:12.29 | deebu | geo-rge, oh then after that? |
| 17:12.41 | protocol1 | pumpkin0, I tried adding the URL to the repositories but I got an error |
| 17:12.49 | protocol1 | the one for US |
| 17:12.50 | geo-rge | you alter the sources.list to point at your cd1 |
| 17:13.08 | deebu | geo-rge, ok i got it...quite ingenius! |
| 17:13.30 | geo-rge | deebu: then on tues, you can download more of the cds |
| 17:13.36 | deebu | geo-rge, but one question...why cant u be sure that etch rc1 wont give me the same xp? |
| 17:14.02 | deebu | but netinstall iso is pretty big...my speed is 6-7kbps |
| 17:14.10 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: OK, so you are unable to copy a link from a web-page into a textfile ? try "deb ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian/ <your-debian-version-here> main contrib non-free" |
| 17:14.29 | geo-rge | because I just can't predict the future, and I don't know why cd1 is not good enough to be also like the netinstall |
| 17:14.34 | protocol1 | Im saying when I go to into synaptic package manager and go to repositories and then to the installation media tab...theres nothing there |
| 17:14.47 | protocol1 | nowhere to get packages from |
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| 17:14.56 | surfbuddy | how do i know which video card driver i have to use in xserver-xfree86 configuration. |
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| 17:15.14 | geo-rge | !which video |
| 17:15.39 | eilker | deb http://deb.opera.com/opera sarge non-free // this is not valid |
| 17:15.41 | surfbuddy | geo-rge, thats what i am asking !! |
| 17:15.48 | deebu | geo-rge, will everything work when etch goes final? |
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| 17:16.00 | geo-rge | deebu: yes |
| 17:16.06 | geo-rge | well hopefully :) |
| 17:16.35 | deebu | geo-rge, :( lets see! it will decide my final opinion abt debian!! ;) |
| 17:16.36 | pumpkin0 | eilker: wget http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?distro=debian&id=28480%2C28476&location=32&sub=++++&x=104&y=17 |
| 17:16.44 | geo-rge | the uncertainty is "do you have only hardware that -is- supported by the installation kernel" |
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| 17:17.08 | deebu | why everyone here keeps evangelising opera? why FF seems not be in favour? |
| 17:17.10 | surfbuddy | how do i know which video card driver i have to use in xserver-xfree86 configuration. need help |
| 17:17.28 | geo-rge | deebu: remember while forming that opinion that you are not getting the -stable- flavor |
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| 17:17.54 | surfbuddy | !dpkg video |
| 17:17.56 | deebu | geo-rge, i mean to say etch FINAL...aint that supposed to be stable? |
| 17:18.00 | limpio | deebu, it's a memory hog and slow |
| 17:18.04 | eilker | pumpkin0: done thank you |
| 17:18.08 | surfbuddy | !dpkg |
| 17:18.08 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
| 17:18.26 | geo-rge | deebu: yes, once it's released, it will be considered stable |
| 17:18.41 | eilker | *the |
| 17:18.45 | eilker | *that |
| 17:18.52 | deebu | geo-rge, i was referring to that only...etch FINAL will decide my opinion:) |
| 17:19.00 | pumpkin0 | eilker: it should give you opera.....deb. But with these redirecting servers ... |
| 17:19.02 | geo-rge | oh I see |
| 17:19.02 | karsten | eilker: At one point it was somewhat more so than now. |
| 17:19.08 | mz_work | so I showed my 8 year old how to use synaptic on his sid box, then he found zsnes & now he wants me to get some games working for him - i'm not even entirely sure what a super nintendo is (other than some sort of gaming system) - from where would you get such games? are there any 'legal' issues here since we don't own any snes games? |
| 17:19.14 | deebu | limpio, swiftfox is better..u can use that.. |
| 17:19.23 | geo-rge | deebu: do you have two machines? |
| 17:19.24 | Red_muze | hey i just did an apt-get dist-upgrade, and now i dont get the gdm login screen(i get terminal instead), usb doesnt mount and eth0 is non existant in ifconfig. i dont even know where to start! |
| 17:19.40 | eilker | karsten: i like apt, so i like debian |
| 17:19.53 | geo-rge | Red_muze: pick one problem :) |
| 17:19.59 | deebu | geo-rge, no..that would be luxury! ive just one pc at home which everyone uses:) and im just 21") |
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| 17:20.09 | Red_muze | please help im all boggled |
| 17:20.16 | pumpkin0 | mz_work: there are no legal games for znes. But there are lots and lots on illegal mirrors for lots and lots of games. |
| 17:20.18 | eilker | pumpkin0: everything is ok now, thank you |
| 17:20.28 | azeem | Red_muze: from which version to which did you upgrade? |
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| 17:20.43 | Red_muze | sarge -> etch |
| 17:20.46 | geo-rge | deebu: you can get an old beat up but working box (maybe to act as file server) |
| 17:20.48 | eilker | coming |
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| 17:21.06 | deebu | ive a curious question: Distrowatch Debian page says sarge has gnome 2.8.......but sarge r4 screenshots show gnome 2.14???? |
| 17:21.13 | limpio | surfbuddy, vesa will work with anything, what card are you using? |
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| 17:21.23 | deebu | geo-rge, i see... |
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| 17:21.40 | Red_muze | azeem: sarge to etch |
| 17:21.45 | protocol1 | is there a way to put the default repositories back in the source.list if you lost or removed them? |
| 17:21.48 | geo-rge | Red_muze: pick one of the problems, tell us, then start providing some detail... we'll go from there |
| 17:21.54 | azeem | Red_muze: did you read the release notes? |
| 17:22.05 | protocol1 | the ones that were there when you first installed etch? |
| 17:22.16 | deebu | ive a curious question: Distrowatch Debian page says Sarge has gnome 2.8.......but Sarge r4 screenshots show gnome 2.14???? |
| 17:22.17 | geo-rge | where are you located |
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| 17:22.23 | protocol1 | US |
| 17:22.31 | geo-rge | about where? |
| 17:22.32 | Red_muze | azeem: yes |
| 17:22.38 | azeem | ok |
| 17:22.44 | protocol1 | AK |
| 17:23.00 | geo-rge | ok, you could try this |
| 17:23.07 | CharminTheMoose | man evilwm is a messed up windowmanager |
| 17:23.22 | mz_work | pumpkin0, hmm ok - so you just download the game, point zsnes to it and that's it or will I have to actually learn something? |
| 17:23.29 | geo-rge | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 17:23.46 | mz_work | CharminTheMoose, perhaps that's why it is named as it is? |
| 17:23.52 | Zmanu | is someone know Xephyr and repository to download it ? |
| 17:23.58 | geo-rge | well which dist? I was assuming etch |
| 17:24.08 | deebu | ive a curious question: Distrowatch Debian page says Sarge has gnome 2.8.......but Sarge r4 screenshots show gnome 2.14???? |
| 17:24.14 | CharminTheMoose | it's just that i'm not that used to keyboard based window managers |
| 17:24.20 | rahul | man, CharminTheMoose is a messed up camel |
| 17:24.24 | geo-rge | deebu: please don't repeat... |
| 17:24.28 | Red_muze | geo-rge: ethernet is most important to me so ill start from there. since i cant do any apt-get without network... if i do lspci i can see my network adapter listed. on ifconfig there is no eth0 |
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| 17:24.33 | pumpkin0 | mz_work: that's it. (if the game-copy was made the right way and is not corrupted or infected by viruses) |
| 17:24.48 | geo-rge | Red_muze: try: ifconfig eth0 |
| 17:24.56 | protocol1 | yes etch |
| 17:25.09 | geo-rge | do you see: [P]aragraph or [E]rror |
| 17:25.11 | mz_work | pumpkin0, ok cool thanks - i can probably handle that |
| 17:26.07 | roe_ | should I be using ntpdate to periodically correct my system time? |
| 17:26.11 | geo-rge | protocol1: that and the security update line should be the default if you ran netinstall |
| 17:26.16 | Red_muze | geo-rge: error fetching interface information: device not found |
| 17:26.28 | muhoo | i have a 3x59x card and a tulip (21140-AF) card at hand. which do you suppose is the better card for using in a file server? |
| 17:26.32 | pumpkin0 | mz_work: btw: the znes is a really old gaming console. It is like 486'er games. think gameing style 1993... |
| 17:26.44 | protocol1 | can you paste it for me |
| 17:26.49 | protocol1 | so I could copy it |
| 17:26.54 | mz_work | pumpkin0, oh hmmm - what is more modern? |
| 17:26.56 | rahul | muhoo: they're both solid cards |
| 17:27.02 | geo-rge | Red_muze: ok, so: module not loaded. now, have to find out the name of the module which is the driver for your eth |
| 17:27.12 | mc__ | Would a local dns server speed up surfing? |
| 17:27.14 | cydork | Red_muze: on which kernel are you right now? which network card? |
| 17:27.23 | pumpkin0 | mz_work: there is a N64 emu out there (same legal situation, not in debian ... ) |
| 17:27.46 | geo-rge | brb banana bread |
| 17:28.01 | rahul | bananananananananan |
| 17:28.03 | Red_muze | 2.6.14-1 multimedia | realtek rtl 8139 |
| 17:28.08 | rahul | that sounds good right now |
| 17:28.13 | blondie | rahul: ban? |
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| 17:28.18 | cydork | Red_muze: that's not a etch kernel.. |
| 17:28.19 | rahul | blondie: banananananananannana |
| 17:28.29 | Red_muze | its demudi |
| 17:28.45 | geo-rge | so you're a pro musician? |
| 17:28.46 | CHodapp | how do I make tar ignore the file permissions in the tarball when it extracts? |
| 17:28.46 | rahul | the banana problem is quite important in the history of computing |
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| 17:29.07 | muhoo | ok, then i'll go with what i know: i've had 3x59x cards in this box for 6 years, why break tradition now |
| 17:29.07 | Red_muze | should i download a diferent kernel? |
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| 17:30.02 | cydork | Red_muze: the current etch has 2.6.18 |
| 17:30.07 | geo-rge | Red_muze:first you have to find out if the driver is present (but not loaded) and before that, it would be nice to know its name |
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| 17:30.56 | Red_muze | geo-rge: how do i recognize the driver? is there a specific location i should look? |
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| 17:30.59 | protocol1 | geo-rge, can you paste one for the security? |
| 17:31.08 | BigWig01 | hi all |
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| 17:31.25 | BigWig01 | how would i chroot into a debian install? |
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| 17:31.41 | cydork | Red_muze: lsmod|grep 8139 |
| 17:32.33 | BigWig01 | mkdir /mnt/debian , mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/debian , chroot /mnt/debian /bin/bash ? |
| 17:32.34 | cydork | rahul: banana problem? |
| 17:32.44 | rahul | cydork: banananananananana |
| 17:33.03 | Red_muze | lsmod|grep 8139 - returns nothing |
| 17:33.16 | cydork | rahul: you are drunk again.. aren't you? :P |
| 17:33.20 | rahul | nope |
| 17:33.26 | rahul | no alkey since yesterday morning |
| 17:33.29 | pumpkin0 | BigWig01: usually: yes. |
| 17:33.47 | cydork | Red_muze: then modprobe 8139cp or 8139too.. i forgot the difference :P |
| 17:33.54 | protocol1 | can someone please give me copy of the security repos url in thier sources.list? |
| 17:34.02 | protocol1 | for etch |
| 17:34.03 | BigWig01 | pumpkin0 , thanks |
| 17:34.12 | rahul | cydork: I think it had something to do with the discovery of the HMM tehcnique |
| 17:34.14 | CharminTheMoose | isn't make install somewhat flawed if you wish to get rid of the installed program.? |
| 17:34.14 | BigWig01 | pumpkin0 , env-update after that ? |
| 17:34.21 | BigWig01 | its been a while since i used debian |
| 17:34.30 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: huh? |
| 17:34.30 | protocol1 | I am in the US |
| 17:34.31 | cydork | Red_muze: i think it's 8139too.. |
| 17:34.31 | pumpkin0 | BigWig01: depends on what you are up to ? |
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| 17:34.42 | BigWig01 | just changing the root password |
| 17:34.43 | ghatak | Ok little help please. I have file in which some strings occur more than once. I want to count and print the number of times each string occurs |
| 17:34.52 | mz_work | pumpkin0, have you tried mupen64 or do you recommend a better emu? mupen64 launches fine - will just have to find a game to feed it now |
| 17:34.56 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:really |
| 17:34.56 | pumpkin0 | BigWig01: no need to run that. |
| 17:34.58 | BigWig01 | my m8 bought a laptop with debian installed |
| 17:35.02 | BigWig01 | kk thanks |
| 17:35.13 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: what does make install have to do with make uninstall? |
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| 17:35.24 | deebu | i see a lot of debian criticism here...seems to explain one of my problems.. http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/09/01/149211 |
| 17:35.26 | Red_muze | cydork: yep its there |
| 17:35.34 | geo-rge | ba. |
| 17:35.47 | cydork | BigWig01: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 17:35.54 | pumpkin0 | mz_work: it should work. Most of these emus are old or really old and may have problems with newer drivers. |
| 17:36.37 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:I think that make install is flawed because you don't have a way to uninstall the software |
| 17:36.42 | geo-rge | ghatak: sort then count each |
| 17:36.46 | cydork | Red_muze: so ifconfig works now? |
| 17:37.00 | geo-rge | ifconfig eth0 that is |
| 17:37.11 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: you ass(ume) that |
| 17:37.36 | Red_muze | yay!!!!! |
| 17:37.43 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:Well,it's true |
| 17:37.44 | Red_muze | works |
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| 17:37.47 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: nope |
| 17:37.59 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: make uninstall can and does exist |
| 17:38.12 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:but not in all packages |
| 17:38.15 | geo-rge | Red_muze: now probably your net isn't configured yet... look at file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:38.18 | ghatak | geo-rge: ahh i dont actually have list of words, they like thounsands. But every occurence is on a new line |
| 17:38.28 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: software source rather |
| 17:38.35 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: yeah well. |
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| 17:38.37 | BigWig01 | cydork , o.0 |
| 17:38.41 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: there's a reason we have dpkg :) |
| 17:38.45 | rahul | !! |
| 17:38.45 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 17:38.49 | rahul | heh |
| 17:38.53 | cydork | Red_muze: but anyways you should be running the etch kernel :) |
| 17:39.03 | rahul | dpkg: the hell you are! |
| 17:39.32 | geo-rge | ghatak: that makes it easy... first sort into a new file, then write a quick little perl script (or whatever language) that goes thru and counts |
| 17:39.37 | cydork | why the hell dpkg is saying that in spanish? :P |
| 17:40.19 | Gnea | hrm |
| 17:40.44 | rahul | cydork: because it's fun! |
| 17:40.55 | eeyore- | ghatak: count what? |
| 17:41.02 | rahul | everyone, repeat after me. Donde esta me pantalones? |
| 17:41.18 | enouf | !! |
| 17:41.18 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 17:41.24 | cydork | rahul: Are you sure you are not drunk? :P |
| 17:41.24 | enouf | crap .. |
| 17:41.25 | CharminTheMoose | i suppose rahul... |
| 17:41.36 | ghatak | eeyore-: i have list of ip addresses, i want to check which have occured in higher numbers. but list is in thousands |
| 17:41.40 | rahul | ghatak: grep word file | wc -l |
| 17:42.14 | CharminTheMoose | !!! |
| 17:42.14 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 17:42.17 | CharminTheMoose | mm csh |
| 17:42.19 | BigWig01 | apt-get portage muhahaha |
| 17:42.23 | CharminTheMoose | sorry |
| 17:42.28 | enouf | I guess she's on holiday in aruba this holiday season cydork .. since /msg dpkg no, !! is <reply> No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! seems to have no affect :-/ |
| 17:42.30 | geo-rge | // |
| 17:42.32 | Red_muze | geo-rge: /etc/network/interfaces is set correctly |
| 17:42.36 | eeyore- | ghatak: sounds easy enough |
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| 17:42.44 | ghatak | rahul: that is easy if i have only one or two or 10 words, i have thousands. cant type for every word |
| 17:42.50 | geo-rge | Red_muze: ok. ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 |
| 17:43.08 | Red_muze | cydork: once i get my net together i will download the etch kernel |
| 17:43.18 | enouf | wonder if the !!!! will make the bot speak german :-P |
| 17:43.27 | geo-rge | !!!! |
| 17:43.28 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 17:43.38 | rahul | haha |
| 17:43.38 | enouf | heh |
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| 17:43.42 | geo-rge | now we know :P |
| 17:43.43 | eeyore- | ghatak: first put the IPs to file "list", the sort it again with -u (unique) into "unique" file. then, for each line in "unique" file, grep it out of the IP list and "wc -l" to count how many times it appears |
| 17:43.50 | cydork | BOT ABUSE ! |
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| 17:43.51 | geo-rge | !!!!! |
| 17:43.51 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 17:44.00 | Red_muze | yayayayayyaa!!! |
| 17:44.00 | BigWig01 | alreet bulet |
| 17:44.02 | eeyore- | ghatak: two files, simple shell "for" loop |
| 17:44.04 | spldart | can I run e2fsck on my root filesystem in recovery? |
| 17:44.07 | Red_muze | net is working |
| 17:44.19 | ghatak | eeyore-: makes sense |
| 17:44.22 | ghatak | let me try that |
| 17:44.24 | Mysterie_Bullet | talk to me bigwig :p |
| 17:44.27 | spldart | e2fsck -n found errors |
| 17:44.34 | Red_muze | and i can finaly control through nxserver |
| 17:44.36 | geo-rge | Red_muze: look at that interfaces file, notice there's something in tere about eth0 |
| 17:44.41 | cahoot_ | spldart, shutdown -rF maybe |
| 17:44.46 | geo-rge | notice there's something in there about lo |
| 17:44.58 | Red_muze | right |
| 17:44.58 | cydork | ghatak: google for awk oneliner! i remember some onliner like that. |
| 17:45.02 | BigWig01 | im here |
| 17:45.10 | Red_muze | now i can paste |
| 17:45.13 | BigWig01 | these are debian users ^ |
| 17:45.14 | rahul | ghatak: do you care about how fast it runs? |
| 17:45.23 | BigWig01 | im a gentoo user and dont belong in here |
| 17:45.26 | geo-rge | Red_muze: ifup and ifdown read that file |
| 17:45.26 | eeyore- | ghatak: sort -u ip-list.txt > unique; while read ip; do grep $ip ip-list.txt | wc -l; done < unique |
| 17:45.34 | rahul | ghatak: sort file | uniq > temp.file ; |
| 17:45.35 | enouf | get out! :-P |
| 17:45.42 | rahul | yeah, what eeyore- said |
| 17:45.49 | eeyore- | uh yeah, i like "uniq" better |
| 17:45.54 | enouf | or stay for deb related questions |
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| 17:46.19 | eeyore- | ghatak: sort ip-list.txt | uniq > unique; ... rest of line here :-) |
| 17:46.21 | Red_muze | geo-rge: should i delete the lo section? |
| 17:46.33 | geo-rge | no |
| 17:46.40 | geo-rge | it's your loopback |
| 17:46.48 | geo-rge | it's your localhost |
| 17:46.52 | eeyore- | i seem to recall "sort -u" doesn't actually unique-ize the output for some reason, forgot what |
| 17:46.57 | geo-rge | it's your 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:47.03 | Red_muze | geo-rge: how do i make sure this works next time i reboot? |
| 17:47.22 | spldart | kewleez |
| 17:47.23 | geo-rge | good point... |
| 17:47.32 | geo-rge | do the following... |
| 17:47.40 | geo-rge | first, apt-get install modconf |
| 17:48.00 | eeyore- | it (sort -u) may have been a bug, but anyway i learned long ago to just use "uniq" if you wanted to actually have no repetition :-))) |
| 17:48.03 | cydork | Red_muze: put that module in /etc/modules |
| 17:48.04 | protocol1 | where is source.list located by default? |
| 17:48.23 | geo-rge | (you know the name of your net card driver module, yes?) |
| 17:48.27 | JB[away] | /etc/apt/ |
| 17:48.27 | cydork | protocol1: man sources.list |
| 17:48.27 | enouf | protocol1: /etc/apt |
| 17:48.32 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.42 | geo-rge | and what cydork said too |
| 17:48.46 | geo-rge | good read. |
| 17:49.13 | geo-rge | you'll be surprised what happens to mary lou... |
| 17:49.44 | enouf | !apt howto protocol1 |
| 17:49.49 | enouf | !apt howto |
| 17:49.49 | dpkg | well, apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
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| 17:50.02 | x_link | Hi enouf ! |
| 17:50.07 | Red_muze | geo-rge: which module |
| 17:50.12 | enouf | x_link: yo yo ma :-) |
| 17:50.20 | Red_muze | geo-rge: installed modconf |
| 17:50.30 | geo-rge | ok, the one for your net card |
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| 17:50.39 | enouf | x_link: how's the sound issue going? |
| 17:50.41 | f- | hi. where does pptpd read the login/password from? |
| 17:50.51 | protocol1 | can someone view this and tell me what else is missing that might be important? http://pastebin.us/10406 |
| 17:50.58 | paddy | can anybody tell me in what file it is handled, what window manager / desktop environment is on top? my xfce keeps forgetting the setting "allow xfce to manage the desktop" |
| 17:51.26 | enouf | paddy: try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 17:51.44 | protocol1 | or does that look fine? |
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| 17:52.17 | geo-rge | 8139too? |
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| 17:52.57 | paddy | enouf, it says there is only 1 program - /usr/bin/xfwm4 so there is nothing to configure |
| 17:53.21 | enouf | paddy: maybe Gnome or KDE are mucking you up then |
| 17:53.33 | paddy | well there is no gnome or kde |
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| 17:54.04 | enouf | paddy: try update-alternatives --config x-session-manager perhaps |
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| 17:54.11 | protocol1 | if theres a critical repo that Im missing can someone please paste it....so I can update my sources.list with it...thank you |
| 17:54.14 | geo-rge | Red_muze: is 8139too the name of your net card driver? |
| 17:54.17 | protocol1 | http://pastebin.us/10406 |
| 17:54.32 | Red_muze | 8193too? |
| 17:54.33 | enouf | paddy: also see what's in /etc/X11/default-display-manger |
| 17:54.39 | enouf | er manager |
| 17:54.39 | paddy | enouf, also... only 1 program so nothing to configure |
| 17:54.48 | Red_muze | yeh |
| 17:54.59 | geo-rge | ok, run modconf |
| 17:55.11 | enouf | paddy: dpkg-reconfigure {x|k|g}dm perhaps |
| 17:55.16 | geo-rge | err hold on, don't do that yet |
| 17:55.27 | Red_muze | as admin? |
| 17:55.28 | Red_muze | ok |
| 17:55.29 | geo-rge | first: ifdown eth0 |
| 17:55.47 | JB[away] | !debhelper |
| 17:55.48 | dpkg | i heard debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 17:55.48 | paddy | enouf, thanks a lot for your ideas. but i tried that before without a positive result |
| 17:56.03 | Red_muze | geo-rge: done |
| 17:56.15 | geo-rge | modprobe -r 8139too |
| 17:56.26 | geo-rge | (that removes it) |
| 17:56.28 | enouf | paddy: I'm sure you'll find metacity at fault .. maybe :-P |
| 17:56.29 | f- | where does 'find' store its db? |
| 17:56.38 | geo-rge | doesn't. |
| 17:56.38 | protocol1 | geo-rge, did you see my pastebin link? |
| 17:56.39 | Gnea | f-: it doesn't |
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| 17:56.46 | Gnea | f-: find != locate |
| 17:57.00 | enouf | it doesn't .. locate does in updatedb as root .. in /var/something |
| 17:57.12 | piper69 | how are you all doing today |
| 17:57.15 | Gnea | piper69: it's friday |
| 17:57.32 | paddy | enouf, /etc/X11/default-display-manger does not exist here |
| 17:57.32 | Gnea | piper69: happy holidays :) |
| 17:57.35 | JB[away] | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404194 <- anyone a idea how i can fix it? |
| 17:57.36 | f- | Gnea, /var/what? |
| 17:57.44 | protocol1 | can you tell me if theres any critical repo missing....if not could you give me a thumbs up? |
| 17:57.47 | Red_muze | pci interrupt for device 0000:00:13.0 doisabled |
| 17:57.48 | geo-rge | well ok, it doesnt' -store- a database... but it uses what's in your filesystem (all the files and all the directories) AS a database |
| 17:57.51 | Gnea | f-: use find to locate it :) |
| 17:57.52 | piper69 | Gnea: say merry xmas for christ sack |
| 17:57.56 | piper69 | :) |
| 17:58.03 | Gnea | piper69: i will, on monday :) |
| 17:58.05 | geo-rge | Red_muze: so it worked, yes? |
| 17:58.09 | enouf | paddy: what about any ~/.xfce type files.. I never used xfce .. maybe you have compiz or some other shit going on .. |
| 17:58.15 | protocol1 | well I know the non-free one isnt required but I use that |
| 17:58.17 | piper69 | Gnea: lol |
| 17:58.26 | enouf | er maybe I did .. like in DSL at one time .. |
| 17:58.27 | BigWig01 | gaim pwns arse |
| 17:58.34 | Gnea | come on, get with the program - xmas is on *one* day of the year ;) |
| 17:58.38 | davi | How to regenerate the apache SSL certificate ? |
| 17:58.40 | RvGaTe | this is great, im doing a challenge... creating a website with no windows at all... debian only... and i must say, it works easyer then windows... for instance, having all the images edited on workspace 1, all the code edited on 2, uploads etc on 3, and testing on 4 :)... |
| 17:58.41 | cydork | !gentoosmite BigWig01 |
| 17:58.56 | enouf | paddy: there was a typo .. see --> /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 17:58.57 | Red_muze | geo-rge: if -r is for removing then yet |
| 17:58.59 | Red_muze | :) |
| 17:59.02 | CharminTheMoose | gentoo isn't like tht is it> |
| 17:59.04 | CharminTheMoose | ? |
| 17:59.08 | geo-rge | Red_muze: ok, good |
| 17:59.15 | cydork | RvGaTe: first of all html is not coding :P |
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| 17:59.25 | Gnea | RvGaTe: welcome to the world of getting shit done ;) |
| 17:59.29 | BigWig01 | lol , but its not the compiling what tweaks, its functionality ;) |
| 17:59.37 | RvGaTe | cydork, however you call it, im calling it coding ;P |
| 17:59.38 | BigWig01 | i love debian dont get me wrong |
| 17:59.39 | geo-rge | now, run modconf... look around for 8139too, hit enter on it |
| 17:59.52 | cydork | BigWig01: /msg dpkg greenhouse |
| 17:59.55 | cydork | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.58 | cydork | bahh |
| 18:00.01 | paddy | enouf, thanks a lot so far. i will investigate ~/.* some more |
| 18:00.03 | BigWig01 | i did get my dependancy knickers in a twist with it |
| 18:00.08 | geo-rge | it needs no params I believe |
| 18:00.22 | BigWig01 | ubuntu is a cheap debian rip-off tho :P |
| 18:00.26 | x_link | enouf: I fixed it =) |
| 18:00.27 | RvGaTe | cydork, html/javascript/php and all others related, still displays as code, if you edit code, you're coding... :P |
| 18:00.35 | enouf | x_link: nice one :-) |
| 18:00.43 | enouf | x_link: felice navidad! |
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| 18:00.52 | RvGaTe | Gnea, thx :) |
| 18:00.53 | cydork | RvGaTe: have you seen aptana? |
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| 18:00.54 | Gnea | BigWig01: wouldn't it be cool if they had a server that could emerge all of the debian source packages, compile them all for specific platforms, then spit .debs out? :) |
| 18:00.58 | CharminTheMoose | i gotta agree with RvGate on that one cydork |
| 18:01.07 | RvGaTe | cydork, what's that |
| 18:01.16 | cydork | RvGaTe: google for it :) |
| 18:01.22 | BigWig01 | ive often thought that myself Gnea , it would be like gendebian |
| 18:01.22 | RvGaTe | cydork, grrr |
| 18:01.23 | spldart | How would I go about unloading... permently a module.... |
| 18:01.36 | spldart | say... a radeon driver? |
| 18:01.40 | piper69 | can i run 2 pcmcia wireless card at the same time on the same laptop, 1 for rfm and the other to access normal internet |
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| 18:01.56 | CharminTheMoose | i'm kinda starting to like evilwm |
| 18:01.57 | enouf | !tell spldart about blacklist |
| 18:02.05 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: evil camel |
| 18:02.08 | BigWig01 | the ques would be horrible for server usage tho |
| 18:02.09 | Gnea | BigWig01: but how could we create a system that could do it all correctly? |
| 18:02.09 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: i am loving ion3 :) |
| 18:02.20 | BigWig01 | easy |
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| 18:02.31 | Gnea | BigWig01: better for a few servers to do it than hundreds/thousands of workstations |
| 18:02.33 | BigWig01 | gentoo server with checkinstall |
| 18:02.43 | Gnea | BigWig01: you're speaking greek |
| 18:02.43 | spldart | thanks |
| 18:03.01 | RvGaTe | cydork, i've seen that one before... :S |
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| 18:03.06 | BigWig01 | you never used checkinstall? |
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| 18:03.08 | RvGaTe | cydork, wonder why i never tried it |
| 18:03.10 | Red_muze | geo-rge: it not there |
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| 18:03.13 | Gnea | dude, i don't use gentoo |
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| 18:03.25 | Gnea | i used it once... got bored waiting for things to compile |
| 18:03.31 | BigWig01 | no use checkinstall for making .deb pkgs |
| 18:03.40 | Red_muze | geo-rge: i have something called: kernel/derivers/net |
| 18:03.47 | cydork | RvGaTe: i wanted to do some javascripting somedays back, I tried it's great. :) |
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| 18:03.51 | geo-rge | Red_muze: should be in there |
| 18:03.58 | BigWig01 | yeh but if you want features added to certain things its handy |
| 18:04.01 | piper69 | can i run 2 pcmcia wireless card at the same time on the same laptop, 1 for rfm and the other to access normal internet |
| 18:04.03 | Gnea | BigWig01: what we need is a concise whitepaper for it |
| 18:04.04 | piper69 | can i |
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| 18:04.26 | pumpkin0 | piper69: if hte laptop has 2 slots: sure. |
| 18:04.40 | Gnea | BigWig01: something that dives in and explains it all in human terms |
| 18:05.05 | BigWig01 | 1 sec i'll show you |
| 18:05.08 | Gnea | ok |
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| 18:05.22 | BigWig01 | http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
| 18:05.23 | piper69 | pumkpkin0 yes it does , where can i read more info about this please |
| 18:05.37 | Naib | anyone use an NSLU2? |
| 18:05.41 | BigWig01 | i used to use it to make slackware packages mostly , but i have used it for debs |
| 18:05.48 | cydork | !anyone use NSLU2 |
| 18:05.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses NSLU2, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:05.57 | eeyore- | cydork: tomshardware.com |
| 18:06.19 | geo-rge | who is tom shard? |
| 18:06.29 | Naib | cydork: ha, was going to ask if the DEb installer can choose partitions? |
| 18:06.42 | Naib | last one couldn't and a set-layout was all that could be done |
| 18:06.44 | Gnea | BigWig01: now that's pretty spiffy |
| 18:06.51 | geo-rge | yes, you can partition your drive any way you want |
| 18:06.53 | pumpkin0 | piper69: get both cards, install the drivers. plug them both in. finished. Where is the problem ? |
| 18:07.02 | cydork | eeyore-: huh? |
| 18:07.10 | pumpkin0 | !tell Naib about anyone |
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| 18:07.20 | eeyore- | cydork: they have articles about the NSLU2, some about putting linux on it |
| 18:07.22 | Naib | cydork: ? |
| 18:07.23 | v_nickser | allrighty, so umm... i'm getting this when i apt-get update.... E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
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| 18:07.38 | un_operateur | does anyone know how the timestamps in dmesg are interpreted? |
| 18:07.39 | Gnea | BigWig01: what i'd really like to see is a web interface to configure a kernel |
| 18:07.40 | Naib | eeyore-: I have linux on it, thttpd server, ftp server, NFS server... |
| 18:07.55 | cydork | Naib: installer can choose partitions.. |
| 18:08.04 | eeyore- | well, ok, so it already runs linux ... :-) |
| 18:08.07 | BigWig01 | its alright , say like when i wanted openal with capture support , i got the source and patched it with the capture patch ./confiure --<options> , make ,checkinstall and choose debian package at the end |
| 18:08.18 | CharminTheMoose | Gnea:heh that's be pretty cool |
| 18:08.28 | geo-rge | installer can make partitions... configure certain kinds of software raid... configure/use lvm... |
| 18:08.35 | protocol1 | geo-rge, I think I was missing the main contrib ones...binary and source |
| 18:08.35 | Red_muze | geo-rge: when i try to check in kernel/derivers/net it returns to the main screen |
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| 18:08.37 | protocol1 | :) |
| 18:08.39 | piper69 | pumpkin0: they both use same driver, but my qestion is " do i have to add and iface in the" /etc/network/interfaces" since i only have eth0 now |
| 18:08.40 | protocol1 | got them |
| 18:08.50 | geo-rge | hmm |
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| 18:08.57 | geo-rge | that's no good... |
| 18:09.02 | CharminTheMoose | anyone remember how to change windows in irssi?i have a suspcion that there may be a keybinding conflict... |
| 18:09.05 | geo-rge | are you sure it's the main screen? |
| 18:09.16 | Red_muze | geo-rge: would upgrading my kernel take care of that? |
| 18:09.21 | geo-rge | ok, well, exit from modconf |
| 18:09.39 | Red_muze | ok |
| 18:09.44 | pumpkin0 | piper69: ifdown the one you don't want to use as eth. That's all. |
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| 18:09.46 | geo-rge | no, you already have the driver, I don't know why it's missing from modconf's list |
| 18:09.56 | Kobaz | anyways... i'm getting this when i apt-get update.... E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room anyone have any idea? |
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| 18:10.05 | Agiofws | how does someone start an apt configuration on his system ? |
| 18:10.16 | cydork | !mmap |
| 18:10.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 18:10.20 | cydork | Kobaz: ^^ |
| 18:10.20 | Gnea | Kobaz: looks like ram/swap was exhausted |
| 18:10.23 | Kobaz | i see, k |
| 18:10.28 | Kobaz | yeah i figured, but hmm |
| 18:10.35 | paddy | enouf, i found the problem. "SaveOnExit=" and "AutoSave=" do both have to be set "true" so the desktop control setting is saved. not sure if that is a bug that should be filed |
| 18:10.51 | pumpkin0 | Agiofws: run "aptitude". better ? |
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| 18:11.26 | cydork | Agiofws: what do you mean apt configuration? |
| 18:11.36 | cydork | s/mean/mean by/ |
| 18:11.48 | geo-rge | paddy: or, you could also have saved it manually |
| 18:11.52 | Kobaz | E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/cache-limit:2: Extra junk at end of file |
| 18:11.54 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 18:12.18 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: /usr/share/doc/irssi/startup-HOWTO.html |
| 18:12.27 | geo-rge | Red_muze: done? |
| 18:12.39 | enouf | paddy: which file is that? |
| 18:12.42 | geo-rge | look at the file /etc/modules |
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| 18:12.57 | geo-rge | do you see mention of 8139too in there? |
| 18:13.30 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: you mean your meta-[1-9] not working? |
| 18:13.36 | enouf | cydork: you know xfce settings? .. take it away :-0 |
| 18:13.52 | KoolAid2 | http://tinyurl.com/yfkm37 |
| 18:13.53 | Red_muze | geo-rge: i pasted it there myself a couple of minutes ago |
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| 18:13.58 | CharminTheMoose | cydork:yeah for some reason |
| 18:14.24 | geo-rge | Red_muze: ok, good, try rebooting it |
| 18:14.31 | enouf | KoolAid2 is a spamming bot? |
| 18:14.38 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: which dm? |
| 18:14.47 | CharminTheMoose | cydork dm? |
| 18:14.51 | enouf | kline his fat ass |
| 18:14.55 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: bahh sorry |
| 18:15.07 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: i mean which wm :) |
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| 18:15.15 | CharminTheMoose | cydork,evilwm! |
| 18:15.18 | CharminTheMoose | heh. |
| 18:15.27 | CharminTheMoose | 'tis keyboard based.:) |
| 18:16.24 | geo-rge | that modconf doesn't work any more :P |
| 18:16.36 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: have no idea about it.. :P |
| 18:16.37 | Red_muze | reb00ting |
| 18:16.41 | geo-rge | it can't get to the modules |
| 18:17.18 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: or try esc+key |
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| 18:17.50 | CharminTheMoose | strange,i have to be quite firm when pressing esc+key |
| 18:17.54 | CharminTheMoose | meh,it works |
| 18:18.25 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: sawfish can have all possible commands (and then some) bound to the keyboard |
| 18:18.55 | BigWig01 | sawfish is cool |
| 18:19.32 | cydork | !start a wm war |
| 18:19.32 | dpkg | emacs blows goats! |
| 18:19.36 | cydork | :) |
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| 18:19.48 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:yes,but sawfish either requires me to have gnome which i'm not planning on having or to go off and download some software such as rox-filer or xtdesktop or something to make me have a non X background |
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| 18:20.05 | enouf | !qitd0 |
| 18:20.09 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 18:20.10 | dpkg | methinks qotd172 is <abrotman> !maint sex |
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| 18:23.15 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: eh? |
| 18:23.15 | Red_muze | geo-rge: finished rebooting ifconfig: no eth0 again |
| 18:23.15 | enouf | meh |
| 18:23.15 | charzero | Is 'wodim' supposed to print anything to stdout after "Operation starts." ? My drive is making an odd clicking sound, and I'm not sure if that is good or bad. |
| 18:23.16 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: I beilive so |
| 18:23.16 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:what did you not understand? |
| 18:23.16 | enouf | charzero: not good ... rodents and guns make clicking sounds |
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| 18:23.18 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: what is a non-X background? |
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| 18:23.19 | geo-rge | Red_muze: ok, ifconfig eth0 |
| 18:23.19 | charzero | enouf: Should wodim be giving me output if writing is working? |
| 18:23.19 | geo-rge | error? paragraph? |
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| 18:23.19 | XTF | Hi. Does anyone know how to monitor how much FDs a process has open? |
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| 18:23.20 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:um,it's a background that doesn't display the X grey background and cursor... |
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| 18:23.20 | CharminTheMoose | i'm probably being a camel at the moment |
| 18:23.20 | Red_muze | ugh new xserver error |
| 18:23.20 | Red_muze | :Z |
| 18:23.21 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: xsetroot? |
| 18:23.21 | geo-rge | Red_muze: don't worry about that right now |
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| 18:23.21 | enouf | charzero: try #cdrkit on irc.debian.org .. and review the archives at lists.debian.org /dev lists |
| 18:23.21 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:heh,that's what i'm thinking of |
| 18:23.21 | CharminTheMoose | and now i'm being a tool |
| 18:23.21 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: what's difficult about that? |
| 18:23.21 | enouf | charzero: not too familiar with it .. I'm sure you can get it to be verbose .. like cdrecord |
| 18:23.21 | cjari | do you think there is something wrong with my server setup because when I boot ti doesnt load anything but just asks for login? not even the netinterface ins initialized |
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| 18:23.33 | enouf | charzero: try a wodim --help for options? .. man wodim |
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| 18:24.18 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: not much actually,i'm just lazy... |
| 18:24.36 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: yeah, I'm lazy too, so I just put the command there |
| 18:24.48 | Red_muze | geo-rge: ifconfig eth0 -> no such device |
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| 18:25.12 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: easier than using some gui |
| 18:25.14 | geo-rge | Red_muze: ok, try this: modprobe 8139too |
| 18:25.25 | Red_muze | ok works |
| 18:25.28 | enouf | hrm .. fd=floppy disks |
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| 18:25.48 | geo-rge | Red_muze: now getting paragraph from 8139too? |
| 18:26.01 | geo-rge | err ifconfig eth0 |
| 18:26.01 | Red_muze | shuld i copy it here? |
| 18:26.05 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:such as? |
| 18:26.08 | geo-rge | no, to a pastebin |
| 18:26.12 | Red_muze | ifconfig doesnt work |
| 18:26.23 | geo-rge | ifconfig eth0 |
| 18:26.49 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: such as whatever gui you use to configure your background |
| 18:26.56 | geo-rge | yes? no? |
| 18:27.04 | geo-rge | try it |
| 18:27.06 | geo-rge | ifconfig eth0 |
| 18:27.12 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:ah right,but it makes it somewhat more convenient |
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| 18:27.22 | JoaoJoao | hello |
| 18:27.35 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: shrug. I'm too lazy to waste time with unnecessary guis |
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| 18:28.16 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: whatever floats your boat |
| 18:28.20 | geo-rge | not responding |
| 18:28.29 | rahul | flotsam and jetsam |
| 18:28.50 | JoaoJoao | I have a Pentium-166 machine with 40MB RAM. I'm trying to install Debian 3.1r4 minimal, but it complains about corrupted files in the CD (the CD works fine on other machines). Should I go for an older version? |
| 18:29.05 | blondie | JoaoJoao: maybe the CD drive is dirty |
| 18:30.04 | pickcoder | JoaoJoao: what speed did you burn it at |
| 18:30.29 | JoaoJoao | pickcoder: 4x, and the drive I'm using is newer, maybe *that* is the problem |
| 18:30.35 | JoaoJoao | :( |
| 18:30.50 | pickcoder | if the drive you're using for install is newer, then it shouldn't be a problem |
| 18:30.54 | pickcoder | but I've seen the opposite happen |
| 18:31.07 | pickcoder | 12x+ on older 4x-12x drives can't read it |
| 18:32.50 | pumpkin0 | JoaoJoao: did you check the MD5 before and after burning ? |
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| 18:32.51 | Red_muze | geo-rge: since there is no network i cant copy paste so it takes me time here it is: http://pastebin.com/843300 |
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| 18:33.22 | CharminTheMoose | hm |
| 18:33.24 | geo-rge | Red_muze: that's after doing the modconf? |
| 18:33.29 | geo-rge | err modprobe |
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| 18:34.00 | CharminTheMoose | one thing i for some reason dislike evilwm is that fact that i can't seem to click to place on top a windows |
| 18:34.04 | CharminTheMoose | *a window |
| 18:34.08 | CharminTheMoose | pity |
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| 18:35.03 | geo-rge | Red_muze: so, now try ifconfig eth0 and just say if you get an error or a paragraph about eth0 |
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| 18:36.16 | geo-rge | Red_muze: hello? |
| 18:36.26 | Red_muze | now i have a paragraph about eth0 but not about lo |
| 18:36.41 | SpeS | hi, I've got a problem... I'm trying to dist-upgrade from sarge to testing. When I was asked to remove the kernel I'm running I answered "no", and now I can't complete the dist-upgrade: kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7: Depende: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.63) pero no es instalable |
| 18:36.45 | geo-rge | no problem, ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 |
| 18:36.48 | SpeS | is it safe to force it with -f option? |
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| 18:37.02 | Red_muze | ok |
| 18:37.10 | SpeS | or, how can I re-run the upgrading script? |
| 18:37.16 | geo-rge | and your net should work, BUT still will not survive reboot yet |
| 18:37.19 | SpeS | (to answer yes this time) |
| 18:37.23 | Red_muze | working |
| 18:38.02 | Red_muze | while its working i can copy paste |
| 18:38.16 | Red_muze | got it on my windows machien though freenx |
| 18:38.25 | geo-rge | ok, now I want to see a couple of files, /etc/modules and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:38.39 | geo-rge | use a pastebin such as rafb.net/paste |
| 18:38.44 | Red_muze | no prob |
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| 18:41.08 | SpeS | ok... I got it ^_^ |
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| 18:41.50 | geo-rge | MorG is suspected spammer |
| 18:42.21 | Red_muze | http://pastebin.com/843305 http://pastebin.com/843306 |
| 18:42.26 | Gnea | geo-rge: oh?\ |
| 18:42.39 | geo-rge | Gnea: yeah, seen it a mile away |
| 18:42.57 | Gnea | geo-rge: do you have evidence to back your claim? |
| 18:43.36 | geo-rge | Gnea: seen it before. |
| 18:44.05 | geo-rge | look into it... or not and wait... whatever, do what you want |
| 18:44.25 | Ronin | geo-rge: all they want is some proof |
| 18:45.00 | geo-rge | Ronin: the only thing I have is I have seen it before. deal as you will with that; I'm done. |
| 18:45.11 | Ronin | good grief |
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| 18:45.56 | Red_muze | geo-rge: http://pastebin.com/843305 http://pastebin.com/843306 |
| 18:46.11 | Gnea | geo-rge: ok |
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| 18:47.12 | Gnea | Red_muze: you forgot to define your network |
| 18:47.15 | geo-rge | Gnea: I'm just telling you about something that matches a pattern I've seen before... I figured better safe than sorry |
| 18:47.33 | geo-rge | Gnea: plus the module isn't loading at boot |
| 18:47.53 | Gnea | Red_muze: in the interfaces file - network 192.168.0.0 <--- you should add that before gateway |
| 18:48.02 | geo-rge | I dunno, maybe he needs to run depmod -a |
| 18:48.35 | geo-rge | it -might- assume that from address and netmask (it is derivable) |
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| 18:49.38 | Gnea | Red_muze: http://pastebin.com/843311 |
| 18:50.13 | Gnea | geo-rge: better to be safe than sorry :) |
| 18:50.28 | geo-rge | Gnea: true... but now, why isn't the module loading? |
| 18:51.14 | geo-rge | and it all looks good too, you concur? |
| 18:51.17 | geo-rge | Red_muze: try this... run depmod -a |
| 18:51.18 | Gnea | i think i'd like to see the output of lspci just to be sure |
| 18:51.43 | Gnea | geo-rge: i think he foobared and his system dropped off the net |
| 18:52.26 | geo-rge | Gnea: could be... but I think he might have a separate machine here |
| 18:52.29 | virus | is this a typo in the debootstrap manual or do you really have to use "ia64" instead of "amd64" --> http://www.us.debian.org/releases/etch/ia64/apds03.html.en |
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| 18:52.48 | rahul | virus: look at the url |
| 18:52.48 | Gnea | virus: ia64 != amd64 |
| 18:52.53 | Gnea | !ia64 |
| 18:52.54 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
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| 18:53.06 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 18:53.07 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 18:53.09 | geo-rge | virus: which cpu do you have? |
| 18:53.13 | rahul | virus: if you're looking at the ia64 install manual, sure, it's going to say to use ia64 |
| 18:53.14 | Red_muze | http://pastebin.com/843313 (lspci) |
| 18:53.33 | Red_muze | ran depmod. no output |
| 18:53.48 | Gnea | ok, looks good |
| 18:53.56 | Gnea | Red_muze: do you have the iproute package installed? |
| 18:54.08 | pickcoder | Red_muze: which kernel |
| 18:54.37 | Gnea | Red_muze: ip a <-- this will show all of your interfaces, whether or not they're active |
| 18:54.39 | geo-rge | Red_muze: depmod -a? |
| 18:55.05 | BigWig01 | where is the network config in debian again |
| 18:55.12 | BigWig01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.15 | Gnea | !tell BigWig01 about interfaces |
| 18:55.24 | Red_muze | Gnea: no iprout should i install it? |
| 18:55.31 | geo-rge | BigWig01: no, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:55.32 | Gnea | Red_muze: yeah |
| 18:56.02 | pickcoder | you don't need iproute to get a nic working |
| 18:56.13 | pickcoder | Red_muze: what kernel do you have |
| 18:56.16 | Gnea | pickcoder: and it's going to hurt what? |
| 18:56.24 | geo-rge | pickcoder: what he does need is for the module to load at boot :) |
| 18:56.27 | pickcoder | Gnea: it may complicate things |
| 18:56.34 | pickcoder | especially if you go off on a tagent |
| 18:56.36 | BigWig01 | thanks geo-rge |
| 18:56.41 | Red_muze | pickcoder: 2.6.14-1 multimedia |
| 18:56.43 | pickcoder | tangent too |
| 18:56.52 | abrotman | i wear prada! |
| 18:56.57 | geo-rge | BigWig01: reference manual: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:57.00 | pickcoder | Red_muze.. and how did you get that version? |
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| 18:57.18 | Gnea | pickcoder: there's nothing wrong with thinking outside of the box. |
| 18:57.36 | pickcoder | Gnea: no.. as long as the box is complete first |
| 18:57.37 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:57.38 | Gnea | pickcoder: iproute will simply help in diagnosing the problem |
| 18:57.48 | geo-rge | Gnea: true... but we have to also think about the showstopper that is lower level |
| 18:57.56 | Red_muze | http://pastebin.com/843314 (ip a) |
| 18:58.12 | Gnea | geo-rge, pickcoder: blow me. |
| 18:58.22 | geo-rge | Gnea: the problem is... the module will not load at boot |
| 18:58.29 | Red_muze | geo-rge: i ran depmod -a but no output |
| 18:58.32 | geo-rge | solve that, and you solve the problem |
| 18:58.46 | Gnea | that's too vague |
| 18:58.46 | BigWig01 | geo-rge , not my machine |
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| 18:59.00 | Red_muze | pickcoder: i guess its a demudi kernel |
| 18:59.17 | BigWig01 | whats the default cli text editor for debian? |
| 18:59.17 | Gnea | Red_muze: cat /proc/version |
| 18:59.17 | sid | BigWig01: There is no default. |
| 19:00.00 | geo-rge | BigWig01: nano? |
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| 19:00.00 | geo-rge | what text editor is required/base |
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| 19:00.03 | Gnea | vi, iirc |
| 19:00.11 | sid | vi isn't on the base install |
| 19:00.15 | sid | neither is emacs(to be fair?) |
| 19:00.20 | Red_muze | Linux version 2.6.14-1-multimedia-386 (root@demudi) (gcc version 4.0.2 (Debian 4.0.2-2)) #1 PREEMPT Sat Dec 10 16:52:12 CET 2005 |
| 19:00.22 | BigWig01 | rgr thanks again |
| 19:00.24 | geo-rge | maybe nano is |
| 19:00.31 | sid | Is joe? no joe |
| 19:00.34 | Gnea | cat, echo and touch are |
| 19:00.37 | geo-rge | sid: hmm :) emacs in base?? :) |
| 19:00.39 | sid | I guess nano is the only text editor |
| 19:00.50 | sid | in the base install |
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| 19:01.03 | Red_muze | sid: and pico |
| 19:01.15 | sid | Red_muze: pico is just a symbolic link to nano |
| 19:01.20 | Gnea | nano is just an updated version of pico |
| 19:01.21 | Red_muze | ah |
| 19:01.32 | Red_muze | sorry |
| 19:01.48 | Gnea | it's all good |
| 19:02.17 | abrotman | nvi also |
| 19:02.18 | pickcoder | Red_muze: you tried to insmod the driver? |
| 19:02.22 | geo-rge | I'd kinda like to see his dmesg |
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| 19:02.36 | Gnea | Red_muze: looks like it's working just fine |
| 19:02.37 | Red_muze | i installed iproute |
| 19:02.49 | Gnea | Red_muze: did you edit your interfaces file? |
| 19:03.08 | geo-rge | Gnea: had you been watching while we tested earlier? |
| 19:03.17 | Red_muze | Gnea: its working now. but not afer reboot |
| 19:03.26 | Red_muze | i have to modprobe it |
| 19:03.27 | geo-rge | if not... there is information you are not aware of |
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| 19:03.30 | znh | Hello. |
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| 19:03.42 | znh | I'd like to downgrade a package. Could someone explain me how I can do such? |
| 19:03.54 | Red_muze | yes i edited the interfaces file |
| 19:03.57 | znh | I'm using Debian Etch. |
| 19:04.02 | Gnea | could be a demudi issue |
| 19:04.15 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 19:04.17 | Red_muze | i have so many problems with my debian now i think the best thing would be to change to the etch kernel |
| 19:04.30 | geo-rge | not necessarily |
| 19:04.35 | Gnea | Red_muze: are you running an etch installation with a demudi kernel? |
| 19:04.44 | Red_muze | demudi is esseintialy debian... |
| 19:04.49 | geo-rge | no, demudi/demudi |
| 19:04.51 | Red_muze | yes i updated with synaptic |
| 19:04.52 | Gnea | but it's not.... |
| 19:05.13 | Gnea | Red_muze: yeah, try booting with a proper debian kernel and see if it still does it |
| 19:05.15 | geo-rge | the kernel is patched specially for pro audio applications |
| 19:05.30 | enouf | znh: which pkg and why? |
| 19:05.45 | znh | enouf, automake. As 1.10 doesnt work with the applications I want to compile. |
| 19:05.46 | pickcoder | meh |
| 19:05.51 | Gnea | geo-rge: i understand that, but if the kernel he got wasn't from an official debian repository, then that could be why |
| 19:06.21 | Red_muze | now everything is 100% updated in synaptic and my printer wont work, usb wont automount, gdm wont load and ethernet module is not loaded |
| 19:06.42 | enouf | Automake 1.10 fails to work in a number of situations that Automake |
| 19:06.43 | geo-rge | from demudi sources? |
| 19:06.43 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.43 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.07 | Gnea | Red_muze: just install a debian kernel and reboot with it - things may simply 'work' again |
| 19:07.09 | znh | enouf, I see ;) |
| 19:07.11 | Red_muze | Gnea how do i change the kernel |
| 19:07.18 | enouf | znh: apt-cache show automake told me that |
| 19:07.23 | Red_muze | its not on synaptic |
| 19:07.25 | Gnea | Red_muze: look for the latest linux-image package |
| 19:07.31 | Red_muze | shuod i get a deb and dpkg it |
| 19:07.31 | znh | enouf, thank you. |
| 19:07.38 | geo-rge | yes |
| 19:07.40 | Gnea | 2.6.17 or 2.6.18 maybe |
| 19:07.47 | enouf | :-) |
| 19:07.53 | Gnea | Red_muze: no, get it out of synaptic |
| 19:07.54 | pickcoder | Red_muze: if you are running a Debian distribution just use synaptic to install a newer kernel |
| 19:08.00 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:08.05 | geo-rge | yaknow, I'd like to see your sources.list, and output of dmesg |
| 19:08.08 | CharminTheMoose | is xclock not supposed to automatically update itself? |
| 19:08.17 | Red_muze | hmm its not available in synaptic... |
| 19:08.33 | pickcoder | gee I wonder why |
| 19:08.36 | Gnea | nothing if you search for linux-image? what about a search for kernel-image? |
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| 19:09.13 | pickcoder | yes I do |
| 19:09.33 | pickcoder | but this channel isn't one of them |
| 19:09.36 | Red_muze | im using the official debian repository and i unchecked the demudi repository |
| 19:09.37 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:09.38 | geo-rge | lightswitch turns off when you flip it up? :) |
| 19:09.40 | Red_muze | still nuttin |
| 19:09.53 | geo-rge | care |
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| 19:09.56 | nixbox | hi all |
| 19:09.57 | geo-rge | ful there |
| 19:09.58 | Red_muze | ah |
| 19:09.59 | nixbox | is there any open source software like Google earth which could save the maps for offline viewing, so that I could manuever back and forth between certain destinations without requiring internet access? |
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| 19:10.02 | Red_muze | found it |
| 19:10.07 | Gnea | cool |
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| 19:11.20 | Red_muze | which one should i get? 386? 686? 696smp? i have an amd athlon |
| 19:11.34 | Gnea | is there a k7? |
| 19:11.37 | pickcoder | depends on the actual model |
| 19:11.38 | Red_muze | yes |
| 19:11.39 | enouf | cat /proc/cpuinfo says what |
| 19:11.41 | pickcoder | is it an X2? |
| 19:11.57 | Red_muze | i have an amd athlon 1900+ |
| 19:12.14 | Red_muze | not dual core. |
| 19:12.17 | Gnea | Red_muze: what does cat /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 19:12.49 | Gnea | oops |
| 19:13.00 | Gnea | enouf: sorry, stepped away for a sec |
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| 19:13.15 | Red_muze | http://pastebin.com/843319 |
| 19:13.38 | Gnea | yup, k7 |
| 19:13.52 | Red_muze | with or without smp |
| 19:13.59 | pickcoder | Red_muze: you can use any of the 386 kernels, but you will get more benefit out of the k7 |
| 19:14.03 | enouf | Gnea: no worries at all ..Barkeep? more eggnog all around .. on me :-) |
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| 19:14.30 | Gnea | !beer enouf |
| 19:14.35 | Gnea | !beer pickcoder |
| 19:14.38 | Red_muze | Gnea: k7 smp or just normal k7? |
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| 19:14.44 | Gnea | Red_muze: normal |
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| 19:15.07 | Red_muze | here goes.... |
| 19:15.20 | Gnea | enouf: i had a beer at the airport yesterday, it took the edge off good :) |
| 19:16.00 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 19:16.09 | geo-rge | he needs capabilities and preemptable kernel |
| 19:16.19 | pickcoder | has anyone run into the Sarge 2.6.8 kernel problem again? |
| 19:16.20 | pickcoder | problem = apt removes it |
| 19:16.20 | rahul | I usually need 2 mixed drinks before a redeye |
| 19:16.28 | Gnea | geo-rge: worry about that later |
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| 19:16.36 | SpeS | pickcoder, I've just removed it |
| 19:16.43 | Gnea | pickcoder: not here |
| 19:16.47 | SpeS | but dist-upgrading to testing |
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| 19:16.52 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:16.59 | geo-rge | pickcoder: under what preconditions? |
| 19:17.05 | SpeS | I haven't rebooted yet |
| 19:17.10 | pickcoder | geo-rge: doesn't matter |
| 19:17.13 | pickcoder | package upgrade |
| 19:17.15 | enouf | Gnea: just one :-) |
| 19:17.15 | pickcoder | package install |
| 19:17.19 | enouf | ? |
| 19:17.32 | pickcoder | dist-upgrade is much worse |
| 19:17.36 | pickcoder | b/c you can't go backwards |
| 19:17.38 | SpeS | and I'm afraid to reboot now ^_^ |
| 19:17.43 | geo-rge | so: install sarge base, then do (say) apt-get -f install,,, removes the kernel? |
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| 19:17.52 | pickcoder | SpeS: you have a major munge to clean up now |
| 19:17.54 | SpeS | geo-rge, it removed mine |
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| 19:18.13 | war95 | deb http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing etch/security-updates main contrib non-free <- If I am using testing, do I need to change this now that etch is frozen? |
| 19:18.15 | geo-rge | SpeS: with that specific set of steps? |
| 19:18.16 | SpeS | I'm not sure if I have a kernel right now installed hahaha |
| 19:18.19 | pickcoder | dist-upgrade from 2.6.8 Sarge removes the kernel and initrd-tools but it doesn't put a kernel bac |
| 19:18.27 | Red_muze | Gnea: it didnt ask to remove the demudi kernel. should i ? |
| 19:18.30 | Gnea | war95: no, not until it becomes stable |
| 19:18.32 | geo-rge | no |
| 19:18.33 | Red_muze | http://pastebin.com/843324 |
| 19:18.33 | pickcoder | same happened to someone earlier when they installed a package |
| 19:18.36 | SpeS | geo-rge, I did an apt-get update (after changing to testing the sources.list) |
| 19:18.39 | Gnea | Red_muze: nah, keep it around for now |
| 19:18.45 | SpeS | geo-rge, and then a apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 19:18.59 | SpeS | geo-rge, but I said "no" to the warning of the kernel uninstallation |
| 19:19.09 | pickcoder | problem is.. I have not been able to capture the apt messages |
| 19:19.13 | SpeS | geo-rge, then I did the -f install, and apt-get dist-upgrade again... |
| 19:19.18 | pickcoder | SpeS: is there anyway you can capture your screen? |
| 19:19.27 | SpeS | pickcoder, what part? |
| 19:19.29 | geo-rge | SpeS: oh, that is not guaranteed as you're involving a non-stable flavor |
| 19:19.33 | Gnea | Red_muze: looks good |
| 19:19.33 | pickcoder | all of the apt notes |
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| 19:19.49 | Red_muze | Gnea: so how do i switch kernels |
| 19:20.04 | geo-rge | Red_muze: do you use grub to boot? |
| 19:20.10 | Red_muze | yes |
| 19:20.16 | geo-rge | update-grub |
| 19:20.19 | Gnea | Red_muze: if i'm reading it right, it's already placed the new kernel at the top of the list - all you have to do is reboot |
| 19:20.42 | Red_muze | ok trying that |
| 19:21.23 | Gnea | update-grub isn't the same as running lilo - it's just changing the config/menu.lst file, which is updated as soon as an editor finished writing to it |
| 19:21.25 | geo-rge | it actually sorts the list |
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| 19:21.32 | BigWig01 | should /etc/network/interfaces , be blank or commented # for dhcp ? |
| 19:22.02 | SpeS | kernel-image-2.6-k7 - Linux 2.6 image on AMD K7 - transition package |
| 19:22.02 | SpeS | what does "transition" means there? |
| 19:22.03 | SpeS | should I reinstall it? |
| 19:22.07 | Gnea | BigWig01: either way - i usually comment in case i need to revert later on |
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| 19:22.16 | pickcoder | BigWig01: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 19:22.19 | BigWig01 | rgr |
| 19:22.21 | pickcoder | auto eth0 |
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| 19:22.52 | geo-rge | and if you had static before, you have more things to comment out |
| 19:22.53 | pickcoder | SpeS: I tried installing the transition package and it didn't do anything |
| 19:23.05 | SpeS | :? |
| 19:23.13 | Red_muze | yay! i got GDM back!!!!!! |
| 19:23.16 | geo-rge | then you already have the package it transitioned to |
| 19:23.28 | pickcoder | after apt b0rked my setup I tried to install the etch kernel |
| 19:23.43 | Gnea | Red_muze: what about the nic, etc |
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| 19:23.48 | geo-rge | pickcoder: this all sounds pretty bad :) |
| 19:23.59 | Red_muze | could it be reacting alot faster now? |
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| 19:24.08 | pickcoder | geo-rge: and when it's a live box, you don't have 4 hours to tinker with apt and packages |
| 19:24.09 | Red_muze | everything working so far ethernet loaded |
| 19:24.13 | Red_muze | checking usb |
| 19:24.25 | pickcoder | geo-rge: I ended up rsyncing my files and wiping it |
| 19:24.27 | Red_muze | yyyyyyep! |
| 19:24.31 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:24.46 | geo-rge | so now, a question... why demudi? |
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| 19:24.50 | pickcoder | I've dist-upgraded a ton of 2.4 boxes with no problems |
| 19:24.59 | pickcoder | the first 2.6.8 box I did blew up |
| 19:25.02 | Red_muze | hmm |
| 19:25.06 | Red_muze | usb doesnt work.. |
| 19:25.13 | Gnea | it doesn't? |
| 19:25.19 | pickcoder | Red_muze: you may need to install some extra packages for USB |
| 19:25.31 | pickcoder | I.E. usbmgr |
| 19:25.43 | pumpkin0 | Red_muze: and usbhid |
| 19:25.51 | Gnea | ... |
| 19:25.58 | Red_muze | demudi is a multimedia distribution im a music producer. and i hate windows and i have mac even more i though ill give ardour go |
| 19:26.15 | Gnea | ardour is awesome |
| 19:26.22 | abrotman | newsforge had an article about doing music on linux |
| 19:26.29 | abrotman | hydrogen is fun! |
| 19:26.31 | geo-rge | you need jack going for ardour |
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| 19:27.07 | Gnea | abrotman: yeah, but i wish there was a compatability layer for reborn |
| 19:27.22 | abrotman | it's entertaining at least |
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| 19:27.50 | geo-rge | abrotman: ssm is pretty cool too |
| 19:27.56 | abrotman | i'm not into that |
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| 19:28.21 | geo-rge | how do you know before you try it :P |
| 19:29.03 | Red_muze | restarting to enable all usb on my bios brb |
| 19:29.55 | Gnea | ext3 34G 5.9G 26G 19% / |
| 19:30.02 | Gnea | # apt-get clean |
| 19:30.07 | Gnea | ext3 34G 3.8G 28G 12% / |
| 19:30.11 | Gnea | LMFAO |
| 19:30.16 | Red_muze | gnea ardour looks promising but it has a long way to go untill it meats proffetional standarts |
| 19:30.25 | Red_muze | well depending for what |
| 19:30.30 | Red_muze | its gret for recording |
| 19:30.34 | Red_muze | but not for all around production |
| 19:30.37 | geo-rge | Red_muze: atm, I run logic under xp for most of my pro needs, but increasingly looking into linux... I'd like to use that RME firewire device |
| 19:30.45 | Gnea | Red_muze: ardour isn't an all-in-one solution |
| 19:30.48 | Red_muze | heh im logic man myself! |
| 19:30.49 | Red_muze | :D |
| 19:31.19 | blondie | "it has a long way to go untill it meats proffetional standarts"... yessss... |
| 19:31.21 | Gnea | but i've seen it used in production - and it succeeded quite well at that - but yeah, it does have limitations |
| 19:31.25 | blondie | ;) |
| 19:31.41 | pickcoder | qotd? |
| 19:31.47 | Red_muze | right gnea. im just lacking some standarts, and some features im sure will come in time. |
| 19:31.51 | abrotman | Red_muze: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/2014227&tid=75 |
| 19:32.00 | rahul | !penixstrike mith |
| 19:32.00 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mith to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:32.06 | Red_muze | abrotman dns error |
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| 19:32.17 | blondie | a penix? |
| 19:32.18 | mith | ha |
| 19:32.23 | mith | !mith rahul |
| 19:32.44 | virus | hmm, I currently wonder wether I should use openssh-server or lsh-server. I've never used lsh-server so far afaik. |
| 19:32.47 | abrotman | Red_muze: that's on you .. the site loads :) |
| 19:33.04 | abrotman | loads here .. i meant |
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| 19:33.31 | geo-rge | Red_muze: do you have external inputs? |
| 19:33.40 | pumpkin0 | Red_muze: does DNS for for other sites ? |
| 19:33.49 | Red_muze | RME fireface :) |
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| 19:33.59 | Red_muze | no pumpkin |
| 19:34.08 | geo-rge | and that works with ardour?? |
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| 19:35.13 | Red_muze | geo-rge: no i was thinking of getting an ADAT only interface for that |
| 19:35.45 | Red_muze | ha |
| 19:35.48 | Red_muze | usb working |
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| 19:36.33 | Red_muze | hAHA!!! and the printer which stared the whole mess is identifying!!! |
| 19:36.43 | Red_muze | guys thank you very very very much! |
| 19:37.01 | geo-rge | !beer Red_muze |
| 19:37.04 | Gnea | Red_muze: no problem :) |
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| 19:37.36 | Gnea | Red_muze: i'd be interested to hear from you about the music apps and how they work with that k7 kernel |
| 19:37.36 | geo-rge | Red_muze: what kind of production work do you do |
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| 19:39.17 | unseensoul | hi |
| 19:39.19 | Red_muze | geo-rge: im deep in the israeli mainstreem unfortunately... basicaly my best abillities are in orchestral arrangement and synthesis, and my music passions are mainly classical music / idm / progrock but i dont get to do alot of that here |
| 19:39.42 | Red_muze | one has to make a living and here a gold record is only 20k |
| 19:40.22 | Red_muze | Gnea: ill check the new kernel thoroughly. but i have a feeling things will work much better now |
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| 19:40.44 | geo-rge | well that kernel may or may not have preempt |
| 19:41.01 | geo-rge | or real-time capabilities |
| 19:41.04 | geo-rge | so |
| 19:41.17 | dn4 | Any good console program capable of listening to streaming audio in .ogg/.mp3/.wav and so forth |
| 19:41.24 | geo-rge | you may be looking at rebuilding to get that stuff working properly |
| 19:41.39 | abrotman | cplay i think |
| 19:41.46 | abrotman | maybe mpg321 or 123 .. whatever it is |
| 19:41.51 | amphi | dn4: moc perhaps |
| 19:42.05 | Red_muze | geo-rge: to be honest, its now serving as my internet pc, and im mainly experimenting with alsa modular |
| 19:42.05 | cahoot_ | dn4, mplayer, ecasound and more |
| 19:42.10 | amphi | dn4: otherwise mplayer |
| 19:42.18 | Red_muze | im still waiting for it to mature |
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| 19:43.57 | Red_muze | and beyong ardour and alsa modular, there is 1 software i realy love on pc and i doubt it will eve have a rival on linux - sibelius |
| 19:45.19 | CharminTheMoose | pfft |
| 19:45.26 | geo-rge | heard good things about that |
| 19:45.26 | dn4 | cplay ftw! |
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| 19:46.35 | Red_muze | sibelius is by far the fastest notation software i have ever worked with. i do all the midi in logic, and export to sibelius in 20 minutes i have all the articulations and dynamics on ready to print |
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| 19:47.20 | geo-rge | Red_muze: so you don't like the notation editor in logic? |
| 19:47.43 | Red_muze | geo-rge: its uncomparable... |
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| 19:48.30 | Red_muze | sibeius saves me 2 hours of work on each song its amaizing |
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| 19:49.04 | dn4 | hmm cplay says player not found |
| 19:49.05 | dn4 | :/ |
| 19:49.07 | geo-rge | do you actually edit there, or just send the midi file over? |
| 19:50.06 | Red_muze | just send the midi file over |
| 19:50.35 | Red_muze | all i have to do is bowings, articulation, and dynamics |
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| 19:51.16 | Red_muze | i like to use the matrix editor for writing my parts, i can see the counterpoint better that way and check for illegal notes ;) |
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| 19:52.35 | Red_muze | grr cups still wont cooperate with my printer... |
| 19:53.01 | michael11 | I've put in "apt-get update" but has stalled on one of the sources at 99%; how can I close apt besides ctrl+c which leaves me unable to use apt afterwards |
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| 19:53.36 | geo-rge | michael11: remove the bad source, find another mirror for it |
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| 19:53.50 | geo-rge | (what else can you do?) |
| 19:53.58 | michael11 | geo-rge: Well, I know that |
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| 19:54.07 | jager | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.17 | michael11 | but it is stuck at the moment at 99% and I don't want to ctrl+c it because then I can't run it again |
| 19:54.20 | jager | can i use that with megahal or do i have to compile from source? |
| 19:54.46 | michael11 | because I get that error saying that another apt process exists and it's locked or something |
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| 19:56.17 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,lately i've been compiling from source and then debanising the packages with checkinstall.Oh noes i'm going gentoo! |
| 19:56.35 | rahul | stupid camels |
| 19:56.35 | geo-rge | why doesn't jackd have a script in init.d? |
| 19:58.06 | CharminTheMoose | pfft |
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| 20:01.08 | *** topic/#debian is /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | FEELING ADVENTUROUS? test the etch rc1 installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:02.51 | x_link | Does anybody here know a good movie player ? |
| 20:02.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | xine |
| 20:02.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | vlc |
| 20:03.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | mplayer |
| 20:03.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | kaffeine |
| 20:03.13 | x_link | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-get install mplayer doesn't work. |
| 20:03.19 | x_link | Dark_Apostrophe: Is there vlc for Linux? |
| 20:03.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | GNU/Linux, yes |
| 20:03.30 | geo-rge | !marillat |
| 20:03.30 | dpkg | i guess debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 20:03.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | x_link: But go for Xine first |
| 20:03.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | x_link: It's better IMHO |
| 20:03.47 | x_link | OKey |
| 20:04.14 | x_link | I will just try with apt-get install vlc first and see if it works. |
| 20:04.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | apt-get install libxine1 xine-ui |
| 20:04.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | x_link: Have fun. |
| 20:04.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | x_link: And it's called GNU/Linux, remember that. :P |
| 20:05.03 | x_link | OKey |
| 20:05.09 | x_link | For GNU/Linux =) |
| 20:05.27 | n3kl_ | Hi |
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| 20:06.05 | amphi | !tell x_link about debian-multimedia |
| 20:06.17 | x_link | Thanks amphi ! |
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| 20:06.44 | yos87 | Hi |
| 20:06.51 | amphi | x_link: you're welcome - I find mplayer extremely good |
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| 20:07.29 | n3kl_ | I would like to set up a RAID 5 array on SATA drives. I have not work with SATA much. The controller I have now sucks, its the ich5, and I would like not to have such a terrible card in the future. Does anyone have any recomendations as far as linux compatibility of a hardware raid controller? Not a software raid posing as a hardware. |
| 20:08.02 | pickcoder | 3ware 9550sx |
| 20:08.11 | x_link | Dark_Apostrophe: Xine is installed now, alot of window ;) |
| 20:08.18 | pickcoder | if you need larger, look at the other 9000 series |
| 20:08.41 | yos87 | I have question, I'm trying to install the package azerues, he ask me some pacakges need to be installed, when I try to install it , he ask me another package need to be install, and like this, what to do to install al packages related to that package? |
| 20:08.42 | x_link | amphi: Yeah, that's the player I was looking for. |
| 20:08.58 | x_link | But I have to find the real package name before I can install it. |
| 20:09.15 | pickcoder | the other 8000 series 32-bit PCI cards have been supported for a long time |
| 20:09.34 | rgsteele | I've got Debian-exim with uid:gid of 107/133 on my box, but if I do a ps to check on the Exim processes, I see this: 107 26271 0.0 0.0 11244 1504 ? Ss 14:46 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m (The question is, why does it not list Debian-exim, and instead 107?) |
| 20:09.35 | pickcoder | the 9500 series are relatively new, so you should check kernel compat. |
| 20:10.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | x_link: apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 20:10.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | x_link: like apt-cache search xine or apt-cache search vlc |
| 20:10.18 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: that is a hardware raid? so linux would not be completely aware of the devices attached to the card? |
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| 20:10.38 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: yes, that is real hardware raid. |
| 20:10.38 | pickcoder | yes. If you don't have a large UPS, you should buy the battery backup unit if you want write caching |
| 20:10.39 | n3kl_ | I have never set up a raid array for personal user before. So please excuse my noobness |
| 20:10.58 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: you have seen the price-tag on these ? |
| 20:11.12 | CharminTheMoose | what do the -g and -0+0 options do to xclock?the man page reveals nout |
| 20:11.13 | pickcoder | pricing is $300+ depending on port numbers |
| 20:11.14 | n3kl_ | I am looking on newegg |
| 20:11.55 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: geometry |
| 20:12.33 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: cool thanks |
| 20:12.51 | pickcoder | the 8006-2lp has given me much grief lately |
| 20:13.07 | pickcoder | but it's only 2 ports, so you can't do RAID5 |
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| 20:14.37 | pickcoder | speaking of which.. it's given me another port 0 timeout |
| 20:14.38 | pickcoder | grrr |
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| 20:18.40 | christiane | Hello. Where's the right place to set a new default for /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax on boot? |
| 20:19.41 | CharminTheMoose | !test |
| 20:19.42 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 20:19.51 | geo-rge | doh! |
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| 20:20.02 | zorton | is ethereal a busted package in stable? I'm trying to install it but aptitude simply deselects it when I tell it to "go" |
| 20:20.51 | blondie | zorton: no. |
| 20:21.07 | zorton | weird, I wonder what's going on then |
| 20:21.37 | pumpkin0 | zorton: try "apt-get install ethereal" and post the error into a pastebin. |
| 20:21.58 | zorton | http://pastebin.ca/289031 |
| 20:21.59 | zorton | :) |
| 20:22.06 | zorton | one step ahead on that on |
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| 20:22.57 | pickcoder | n3kl_: there is a 3dm2 web-based management, inquiry, and notification package available on debian-unofficial.org |
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| 20:23.27 | pickcoder | I use it to tweak card settings and also to e-mail me when there's errors or warnings |
| 20:23.42 | zorton | think I found it, looks like pinning was enabled and I had a upgraded version of libatk and libpango |
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| 20:23.58 | n3kl_ | does anyone know the status of the nforce chipset on linux/debian |
| 20:24.07 | blondie | n3kl_: what do you mean? |
| 20:24.24 | pickcoder | you can't use RAID properly with nforce |
| 20:24.28 | n3kl_ | blondie: mostly, I want to know how compatible the drivers are |
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| 20:24.57 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: hmm... |
| 20:25.10 | pickcoder | AHCI and SATA are only the two things that work currently |
| 20:25.14 | n3kl_ | there is a motherboard that I would like to get, but I don't want to get stuck with hardware that will not work with the linux kernel |
| 20:25.18 | blondie | n3kl_: nforce 1? |
| 20:25.18 | pickcoder | I have 3 Asus boards here with nf4 |
| 20:25.31 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: if you want real raid you have to spend real money. |
| 20:25.33 | pickcoder | look for Via boards |
| 20:25.57 | blondie | my nforce 2 board works fine |
| 20:26.02 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: working good? |
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| 20:26.13 | pickcoder | blondie: you can't get nf2 anymore unless it's a used board or old inventory |
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| 20:26.20 | pickcoder | it's either nf3 or nf4 |
| 20:26.23 | pickcoder | mostly nf4 |
| 20:26.24 | blondie | pickcoder: I never said you could |
| 20:26.29 | blondie | but he didn't specify |
| 20:26.32 | pickcoder | true |
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| 20:26.42 | n3kl_ | the one that I am looking at I think has the NF5 |
| 20:26.48 | pickcoder | n3kl_: I have my own nics and raid controllers in them |
| 20:27.16 | pickcoder | n3kl_: so far, I've had the best 'outta the box' support with this S5000VSA server board |
| 20:27.22 | pickcoder | even though the firmware sucks |
| 20:27.43 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: are you running the 3ware cards for raid in them? |
| 20:27.45 | pickcoder | the installer for Etch didn't pick up the nics, though |
| 20:27.52 | pickcoder | but the 2.6.18 kernel saw them |
| 20:27.52 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: got any links for that mobo? |
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| 20:28.10 | pickcoder | n3kl_: yes, but I had to upgrade the BIOS before it would power up the 64-bit slot for it |
| 20:28.19 | n3kl_ | I just want a screamin box for a desktop workstation |
| 20:28.22 | pickcoder | search for S5000VSA on new egg |
| 20:28.34 | pickcoder | n3kl_: you can run a 5130 Xeon on it for ~ 1800 |
| 20:29.12 | pickcoder | or two.. if you want to spend another 300 |
| 20:29.36 | dn4 | any ideas if nvidia drivers will be a one-liner thing for etch ? |
| 20:29.38 | pickcoder | KDE loads from login in about 6 seconds |
| 20:29.46 | dn4 | dpkg keeps refering to http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
| 20:30.11 | pickcoder | sometimes faster, depend on background load |
| 20:30.18 | virus | I got my new debian system boot strapped and now I'm trying to configure the bootloader. The root device is /dev/md2 which consists of /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda2. How can I tell grub and/or the linux kernel about /dev/md2? |
| 20:30.20 | dn4 | That was posted on 4-18-2006, wondering how the progress is now |
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| 20:30.53 | pickcoder | n3kl_: keep in mind that the Xeon's are 64-bit and require the amd64 release |
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| 20:31.41 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: which is a pain. I have a turion laptop that I run 32bit on just because the world is not ready for 64bit |
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| 20:32.06 | n3kl_ | I will switch back to it when I don't have to do a bunch of extra crap to get it to work correctly |
| 20:32.09 | pickcoder | n3kl_: you can run a 32-bit flavor but you don't get both cores |
| 20:32.29 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: youj just brought me to a screeching halt |
| 20:32.44 | pickcoder | well then look at MSI |
| 20:32.52 | pickcoder | I've had good luck with X2's as well |
| 20:32.57 | pickcoder | and Opterons |
| 20:33.03 | pickcoder | actually I prefer AMD |
| 20:33.10 | pickcoder | but figured I'd get Intel a try this time |
| 20:33.11 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: but for amd64 relasesonly? |
| 20:33.15 | pickcoder | no |
| 20:33.22 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: I have been eyeing the asus crosshair |
| 20:33.23 | pickcoder | I have 32-bit running on all my flavors except this new Xeon box |
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| 20:33.37 | pickcoder | Look at Tyan or MSI if you want a solid board |
| 20:33.37 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: dual core support? |
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| 20:33.41 | pickcoder | yes |
| 20:33.44 | ma3x | -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, It appears we were visited by the ghost of a not entirely uknown bug. Affected users: approximately all of you. All I want for christmas is a new ircd. Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for using freenode. |
| 20:34.11 | pickcoder | 2.6.16-2-k7-smp |
| 20:34.15 | pickcoder | AMD 64 X2 |
| 20:34.17 | mosgreg | any solution for the gzip-problem yet? |
| 20:34.53 | mosgreg | I just did apt-get upgrade and got this gzip No `START-INFO-DIR-ENTRY' and no `This file documents' problem |
| 20:35.18 | dn4 | what I just had someone beg for a new ircd |
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| 20:35.32 | dn4 | !ircd |
| 20:35.32 | dpkg | well, ircd is An IRCD (Internet Relay Chat Daemon) is a computer program to create an IRC server on which people can talk to each other via the Internet. |
| 20:35.35 | CharminTheMoose | goddamn it,debian doesn't have imlib2 |
| 20:35.52 | CharminTheMoose | ah well |
| 20:36.04 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: you got a link for that mobo? I want a box that just hauls for a desktop workstation. AMD is a must, dual core and raid 5 |
| 20:37.26 | pickcoder | n3kl_: are you going to run sarge or etch? |
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| 20:37.47 | n3kl_ | prob etch cause I like the newer software and such |
| 20:38.08 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.08 | dn4 | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 20:38.13 | dn4 | whoops |
| 20:38.54 | n3kl_ | dn4: find /lib/modules/1.6.18 -iname *nvidia*.ko |
| 20:39.10 | n3kl_ | er 2.6.18 |
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| 20:40.13 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: and put a pair of " around *nvidia*.ko or the shell may do funny things ... |
| 20:40.35 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: ha, true |
| 20:41.27 | pickcoder | n3kl_: if you are going to run your own RAID controller and nic, then you don't really have to worry about the chipsets |
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| 20:43.14 | pickcoder | you can get a dual-opteron 940 board and put a pair of dual-core 165's on it. they run around 160 a piece for the chips |
| 20:43.26 | pickcoder | 1.8Ghz core speed |
| 20:43.55 | pickcoder | just make sure the board you want has a 133Mhz PCI-X slot for a 64-bit 3ware card |
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| 20:44.09 | liran_ | I can't use mkdir to pass it uid/gid for creating the new dir, is it possibel to do it some other way? |
| 20:44.19 | abrotman | mosgreg: check the BTS |
| 20:44.44 | mosgreg | abrotman: sry, what is bts pls? |
| 20:45.43 | mc__ | mosgreg: Bug Tracking System |
| 20:45.51 | pickcoder | n3kl_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151120 |
| 20:45.51 | mosgreg | oh ok |
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| 20:45.58 | mc__ | mosgreg: try querybts packagename |
| 20:46.09 | malebria | Hello, I'm trying to configure a Broadcom wireless card on Etch AMD64. I got the bcmwl564.sys and made the .fw files with bcm43-fwcutter and copyed them to /lib/firmware, reloaded the bcm43xx module but it's still not working. |
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| 20:46.23 | CharminTehM00se_ | !test |
| 20:46.23 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:46.26 | pumpkin0 | malebria: open a console, get root, run "iwconfig". anything usefull |
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| 20:47.22 | x_link | Dark_Apostrophe: Okey, thanks man! |
| 20:47.59 | malebria | pumpkin0: No. |
| 20:48.04 | virus | can't believe it... my boot strapped debian running on a software raided root booted like a charm! :-) |
| 20:48.18 | virus | *wheee* |
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| 20:48.45 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:48.46 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 20:49.32 | x_link | Dark_Apostrophe: wow... |
| 20:49.38 | liran_ | I'm trying to create a dir with a custom uid/gid but not creating a user (not with useradd/adduser) |
| 20:49.40 | x_link | I know this sound SILLY and STUPID as hell. |
| 20:50.10 | x_link | But I acually did the apt-cache search and I found mixed vlc with another package name and it worked =) |
| 20:50.26 | pickcoder | n3kl_ gah.. never mind about the 165s |
| 20:50.39 | pickcoder | n3kl_: the 200 series are multi-cpu.. the 100 series is single CPU |
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| 20:50.50 | pickcoder | you'd need a pair of 200 series chips |
| 20:51.29 | dn4 | find: /lib/modules/2.6.18: No such file or directory |
| 20:51.45 | abrotman | mosgreg: says it's fixed |
| 20:51.52 | blob|micronda | i am getting a frustrating error from dpkg. i cannot install or remove anything, and i tried an upgrade to see if that fixed it and nothing: files list file for package `libusb-0.1-4' is missing final newline |
| 20:52.01 | blob|micronda | i get that no matter what i try to install |
| 20:52.05 | blob|micronda | any ideas? |
| 20:52.22 | pickcoder | n3kl_: if you only want 2 cores to run on, then a dual-core 100 chip is way cheaper.. if you want 4 cores then you have to get 200 series chips |
| 20:52.34 | ofer0 | Is the package nfs-utils available on Etch ? |
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| 20:53.32 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: put the output of "apt-get -f install" into a pastebin. |
| 20:54.25 | Flimzy | Is there any easy way to set up two Linux machines to act as redundant firewalls, in case one fails? |
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| 20:54.32 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/289072 |
| 20:54.48 | CharminTehM00se_ | Oh god make the christmas related songs playing on the damn radio in the next room stop! |
| 20:54.56 | CharminTehM00se_ | grr it's annoying |
| 20:55.02 | minerale | how can I find out what web server is running on a machine (apart from telnetting in get head ) |
| 20:55.27 | ofer0 | minerale, nmap ? |
| 20:55.32 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: nd you checked the bts for libusb ? |
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| 20:55.45 | ofer0 | minerale, nmap -sS -sV -p 80 www.machine.com |
| 20:55.49 | Red_muze | heh nice to see some more israeli debian users :) |
| 20:55.54 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: turn off the radio |
| 20:55.57 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: whats the bts? |
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| 20:56.04 | pumpkin0 | !tell blob|micronda about bts |
| 20:56.05 | ofer0 | Red_muze, you're talking to me ? |
| 20:56.19 | Red_muze | ofer0: i guess |
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| 20:56.46 | CharminTheMoose | i wish it could be christmas right now |
| 20:56.46 | ofer0 | Red_muze, oh. hey then |
| 20:56.52 | Red_muze | :) |
| 20:56.56 | CharminTheMoose | then i wouldn't have to listen to the damn music |
| 20:58.04 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: no i hadnt. i googled and checked the forum. nothing is found on bts though |
| 20:58.05 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: what do you mean by the dual core 100? 100 what? |
| 20:59.08 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: he corrected himself later: the 100'er series opterons are not dual core, the 200'er are. |
| 20:59.24 | rahul | camels celebrate christmas? |
| 20:59.42 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: any ideas? |
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| 20:59.47 | dn4 | anyone have an idea how to make modules for nvidia |
| 20:59.51 | dn4 | in debian etch? |
| 20:59.57 | ofer0 | !nvidia |
| 20:59.58 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists Intell now provides spec'd accelerated GPUs. |
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| 21:00.10 | joeamined | hi everybody |
| 21:00.47 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: it is just that one package not installing cleanly, right ? |
| 21:01.40 | joeamined | i would like to install bootsplash on debian kernel 2.6.17-2-686 |
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| 21:02.19 | joeamined | i installed bootsplash, kernel-patch-bootsplash packages |
| 21:02.25 | joeamined | but it still doesn't work |
| 21:02.35 | joeamined | i think i have to rebuild the kernel |
| 21:02.40 | joeamined | but i don't know how |
| 21:03.39 | pumpkin0 | joeamined: hint: debian is dead if you mess up the kernel. One missstep and your data is gone. You sure you want eyecandy ? |
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| 21:04.11 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: i dont know. it says that it is installed and up to date, but it is blocking everything else from installing. it happened last week sometime and i dont think i installed anything that touched it |
| 21:04.20 | JoshH | how would messing up the kernel make his data disappear? |
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| 21:04.35 | JoshH | it might make it inaccessible for a few minutes |
| 21:04.36 | n00rul | !etch |
| 21:04.37 | dpkg | etch is, like, the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 21:04.52 | joeamined | yes pumpkin0 i agree |
| 21:04.57 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: missed that. thanks |
| 21:04.57 | joeamined | and i'm a beginner in debian |
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| 21:05.11 | joeamined | i don"t want to manipulate the kernel |
| 21:05.15 | gmarcom | any ideas when Etch will be release? |
| 21:05.29 | joeamined | but isn't synaptic rebuilding the kernel |
| 21:05.38 | joeamined | when it installs the kernel-patch ? |
| 21:05.41 | azeem | gmarcom: there's no set date except "soon" |
| 21:06.04 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: put the command and error-msg into a pastebin. |
| 21:06.04 | rahul | joeamined: no, it's just a patch |
| 21:06.15 | rahul | !kpkg |
| 21:06.16 | dpkg | from memory, kpkg is a KDE package manager designed for handling RPM files, but can also somewhat handle debs. If you're looking for kernel-package ask me about that instead |
| 21:06.17 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: which one? |
| 21:06.20 | itchi | joeamined: You need to aply an patch on an kernel an recompile that kernel |
| 21:06.20 | rahul | grr |
| 21:06.21 | joeamined | rahul : so i have to rebuild the kernel myself ? |
| 21:06.23 | rahul | !make-kpkg |
| 21:06.24 | dpkg | somebody said make-kpkg was the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 21:06.41 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: the one you complaining about. |
| 21:06.51 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: heh, thats all of them. |
| 21:07.10 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: any will do. And /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:07.20 | itchi | joeamined: Not that it is complicated to an custom kernel, but yeah, maybe better to avoid if you not yet have read any docs about it |
| 21:07.39 | itchi | wazaaa :-p that where typo's :-p |
| 21:08.09 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/289093 |
| 21:08.12 | joeamined | itchi : ok |
| 21:08.15 | pickcoder | n3kl_: the 100 series chips are dual-core and single-core |
| 21:08.17 | pickcoder | n3kl_: the 200 series chips are dual-core and single-core |
| 21:08.18 | itchi | joeamined: Not that it is complicated to build an custom kernel?. Maybe better to avoid if you not yet have read any docs about it |
| 21:08.25 | joeamined | and is there a way to have bootsplash simply |
| 21:08.31 | pickcoder | the big difference is when you want two processors on a board |
| 21:08.36 | itchi | arg, that putty is flashing |
| 21:08.37 | pickcoder | they have to be 200 series |
| 21:08.38 | joeamined | without having to rebuild kernel and so on |
| 21:08.45 | pickcoder | you can not put two 100 series chips together |
| 21:09.11 | pickcoder | so.. you can have: |
| 21:09.22 | pickcoder | 1) one dual-core 156 or one single-core 156 |
| 21:09.30 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: that's on unstable. you will have to wait for some days and hope somebody fixes it without breaking to much other stuff. |
| 21:09.35 | pickcoder | 1) two single-core 256 or two dual-core 256 |
| 21:09.56 | pickcoder | I don't know why you'd want 2 single-core processors though.. |
| 21:10.09 | pickcoder | a dual-core 156 is way cheaper |
| 21:10.23 | stoned | what do these numbers mean |
| 21:10.24 | n00rul | Can anyone tell me when etch will be stable? |
| 21:10.25 | stoned | 256? |
| 21:10.27 | pickcoder | but you can just plop another one on there later |
| 21:10.30 | stoned | what is a dual core 256? |
| 21:10.32 | pickcoder | s/can/can't |
| 21:10.35 | n00rul | any one know about this? |
| 21:10.36 | pickcoder | stoned: opteraon models |
| 21:10.39 | pickcoder | operton |
| 21:10.40 | stoned | oh |
| 21:10.41 | pickcoder | gah |
| 21:10.44 | pickcoder | Opteron $%^& |
| 21:10.44 | stoned | its brand specific |
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| 21:10.47 | pickcoder | yes |
| 21:10.51 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: it woulr be fair to call me ignorant at this point, but would you please send me alink to a mobo spec sheet or something so I can see what the heck theses numbers are that you are talking about |
| 21:10.54 | stoned | I was wondering what that 256 thingy was |
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| 21:11.09 | pickcoder | n3kl_: the lower the processor model, the slower it is |
| 21:11.16 | pickcoder | and cheaper |
| 21:11.24 | pickcoder | (most of the time anyway) |
| 21:11.26 | blob|micronda | pumpkin0: so you are saying there is nothing i can do? even if they do put a fix in the repos i cannot get it cause i cannot install anything with apt |
| 21:11.55 | pumpkin0 | blob|micronda: that is unstable for you. |
| 21:12.03 | pickcoder | 100 series Opterons are for single-cpu setups but they will work in dual-940 boards if you buy a 940 chip |
| 21:12.08 | rahul | !break |
| 21:12.08 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 21:12.21 | itchi | With putty to an box with UTF8, it mess a bit the console, is there somehtings to avoid that? Had the same thing when 2 boxes had not the same locale and when i ssh from one to another, some time it gave weird charcters |
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| 21:13.07 | mc__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.10 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: ok, I m with you. Sorry and thank you. I think opterons are too expensive. I have not seen any x2 dual processor boards out there. I have been looking at am2 and 939 sockets |
| 21:13.13 | blondie | itchi: weird as in non-latin? |
| 21:13.31 | itchi | blondie: I dunno, i got that trouble not long time ago, the first time |
| 21:13.52 | pumpkin0 | mc_: why ? |
| 21:13.57 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: I had not even looked at the opterons, now i see that the model is the number that you were talking about |
| 21:14.01 | n3kl_ | thanks |
| 21:14.18 | itchi | blondie: One one comp there was somethings like BE locale and on another it was BE_UTF8 somethings. Someone gave me here the type and solved the trouble :-) |
| 21:14.22 | xingu | n3kl_: taskset from schedutils |
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| 21:14.37 | itchi | blondie: I'm not realy exerienced with that type of trouble |
| 21:14.41 | xingu | n3kl_: you're asking "how do I set cpu affinity for a process or {process,thread} group leader" |
| 21:15.11 | pickcoder | n3kl_: http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_8806,00.html |
| 21:15.12 | xingu | s/n3kl/mc_/ |
| 21:15.17 | n3kl_ | xingu: acutally, I think that was mc_ |
| 21:15.24 | n3kl_ | =] |
| 21:15.36 | itchi | blondie: I think it's these locals that are wrong, i need to reboot to test it out :-/ And i already loosed 3 hours with that stupid updates and removing 8 spywares, bwa and i have booted 5 times that os haha |
| 21:15.40 | xingu | n3kl_: yes, my apologies, screen scrolling while brain parsing, most unfortunate. :) |
| 21:15.43 | doublehp | mdadm --create problem: http://rafb.net/p/NrGz3q92.html and one can help ? disks are not identical, so that I created partitions of identical size. |
| 21:15.51 | n3kl_ | xingu: ha |
| 21:15.52 | xingu | mc__: you get that lot? |
| 21:15.53 | dn4 | scripts/Makefile.build:17: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-486/scripts/basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 21:16.00 | blondie | itchi: spyware on linux?! |
| 21:16.08 | pickcoder | n3kl_: you can get a dual-core 2.0Ghz 100 series chip for around $160 |
| 21:16.10 | itchi | blondie: No no, that XP |
| 21:16.39 | itchi | blondie: I had use putty (five minutes ago) to make an connection to my main Debian box |
| 21:16.54 | itchi | blondie: I need to tcheckout some things here on XP :-/ |
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| 21:17.19 | itchi | So i have rebooted, like that putty gave some troubles |
| 21:17.20 | n3kl_ | are tyan boards good? |
| 21:17.22 | pickcoder | n3kl_: if you want CPU and peripheral bandwidth go socket 940 and Opterons |
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| 21:17.31 | pickcoder | n3kl_: yes |
| 21:17.55 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: so to get dual dual core opterons, I would have to go 200 series? |
| 21:18.07 | pickcoder | exactly |
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| 21:18.16 | pickcoder | which can be pricey, but you'd get 4 real cores |
| 21:18.20 | n3kl_ | pickcoder: thanks |
| 21:18.26 | itchi | brb, gona reboot, if i write some weird things, you know why :-p |
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| 21:20.14 | pumpkin0 | which motherboard do debian'er recommand for _slient_ computing ? No 3D-gfx needed, only DVI @ 1280x1024. |
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| 21:22.12 | mxjeff | #flood |
| 21:23.27 | pickcoder | pumpkin0: that's more of a CPU question than a board question... find a CPU that can deal with a passive cooling setup |
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| 21:24.31 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: OK, not 100% slient since there is a HD. A clocked down Athlon 64 should do. |
| 21:24.53 | itchi | I have set putty to UTF-8, looks not to solve it :-/ |
| 21:24.54 | pickcoder | IDE-CF |
| 21:25.08 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: wears out to quickly under windows. |
| 21:25.22 | itchi | Btw, someone discovered too that on an decent computer Debian is at least 3 times faster as that XP? |
| 21:25.23 | pickcoder | you only use it to boot from |
| 21:25.28 | pickcoder | run off ramdisk |
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| 21:25.54 | itchi | My laptop run's so slow in XP, it's an new, with Debian, it's toooo fast :-) chance haha |
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| 21:26.06 | pickcoder | oh.. wait.. never mind .. frequent rebooting with windoze |
| 21:26.08 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:26.13 | pumpkin0 | pickcoder: i have 1 truely slient box (laptop) with ramdisk and normal HD. But this new box will be a low-budget desktop for windows and linux. |
| 21:26.29 | cahoot_ | does reads wear out cf too? |
| 21:26.36 | itchi | pickcoder: Full power, is it |
| 21:26.58 | itchi | Looks like XP want to read the bible of my comp, i dunno what he look for |
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| 21:27.24 | Vme | hello |
| 21:27.32 | n3kl_ | !test |
| 21:27.33 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 21:27.36 | Vme | i don't see any options in the new kernel for this device...01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT] (rev 15) |
| 21:27.38 | pickcoder | hrm.. I dunno if you can blame windows, NTFS, or both |
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| 21:28.04 | Ankman | Problems with Windows? Reboot! Problems with Linux? Be root! |
| 21:28.04 | itchi | The only thing that goes better is that 3D in that XP, there rest turn many lesser good |
| 21:28.17 | Vme | Device Drivers --> Graphics Support |
| 21:28.25 | itchi | Ankman: Yeah :-) |
| 21:28.26 | Vme | i don't see anything there ? |
| 21:28.43 | pumpkin0 | cahoot: if you have atime enabled: yes. |
| 21:28.49 | Vme | i'm not running X or anything so i just need console :) |
| 21:29.15 | Ankman | i already run this chat on a console, so i just need more beer:-) |
| 21:29.53 | chrono- | I've been seeing some strange characters in my xterm windows. I think it has to do with me accidentally editing my /etc/environment file (I though I was in my chroot at the time.. woops). How can I reset that? |
| 21:30.00 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 21:31.08 | Ankman | chrono-: can send you mine ;-) |
| 21:31.16 | chrono- | Ankman: pastebin.ca? |
| 21:31.33 | itchi | Oh wait, i had not save that UTF-8 for that session i had saved, now it's been work right. No more the trouble :-) |
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| 21:31.48 | itchi | blondie: It was also the locale that was not yet right in that putty |
| 21:31.49 | n00rul | !dpkg etch release? |
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| 21:32.24 | Vme | how can i tell with debian what drivers i'm using for my video and ethernet after the default install?? |
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| 21:32.50 | itchi | blondie: You know some time, you press a some key; it's looks that i have bacspace some chars an pressed an unknow char |
| 21:33.05 | blondie | rare |
| 21:33.17 | itchi | And when i press enter, what i see on screen not match with what i had entered |
| 21:33.28 | Ankman | chrono-: umm, you really want it? |
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| 21:33.49 | itchi | blondie: I got that last time to, or maybe is that trouble specifiq to the BE* locale, looks like |
| 21:34.02 | unlink | so. nano or ee? |
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| 21:34.13 | Ankman | i kind of made it very small for my needs, just three lines so i paste them here |
| 21:34.17 | Ankman | LANG="en_CA" |
| 21:34.17 | Ankman | LANGUAGE="en" |
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| 21:34.18 | Ankman | LC_MESSAGES="" |
| 21:34.21 | itchi | Good, reboot, and back to Debian haha |
| 21:34.52 | Ankman | not sure if all is valid, but works for me |
| 21:35.20 | chrono- | thanks |
| 21:35.33 | chrono- | although that's what I already have :/ |
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| 21:39.22 | itchi | Ha, i'm good now, and with coffee too :-) |
| 21:40.09 | itchi | Why is it not possible to open for example Evolution in putty on an XP box? |
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| 21:40.37 | itchi | Is not all the stuff loaded throught the network? |
| 21:40.45 | ^Xires | TX ho |
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| 21:40.56 | blondie | itchi: it is if you have an X server on windows |
| 21:41.46 | itchi | blondie: hhhmm, yeah, right, that was an dump question :-) |
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| 21:42.00 | itchi | Ba, i'm still convinced that XP is no more for me haha, to buerk |
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| 21:42.21 | blondie | I don't run Windows at home anymore |
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| 21:42.58 | capiira | :) |
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| 21:43.17 | capiira | i just run it because of a few apps |
| 21:43.22 | itchi | blondie: Yeah, me too, just me new laptop i got a bit more as an month ago, was preinstalled and provided with rescue cd. Bwa, i just compared again XP vs Debian :-) |
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| 21:44.12 | itchi | I can not get back an refund, so my XP is been there so that i can show how this laptop runs with XP and how good it does with Debian |
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| 21:45.10 | capiira | i still need few windows apps but im searching for an solution |
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| 21:46.05 | pumpkin0 | capiira: wine ? |
| 21:46.15 | capiira | thats not really a solution |
| 21:46.28 | tango_ | hello all, I'm writing some custom udev rules for a couple of usb drivers of mine and while I managed to make them for my Multi Card Reader, I'm hitting some problems with my acer-branded usb key/mp3 player |
| 21:46.30 | pumpkin0 | capiira: the programm, not the liquid. |
| 21:46.45 | itchi | hehe |
| 21:46.51 | capiira | i want to get completely rid of win |
| 21:46.53 | capiira | i know |
| 21:46.59 | blondie | I use wine for games |
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| 21:47.12 | itchi | capiira: Which job need you app to do? |
| 21:47.29 | tango_ | basically, for some odd reasons the key doesn't register appropriate vendor and model attributes on sysfs, so I can't make a rule that selects it. this is strange because my usb.ids does have the relevant data |
| 21:47.31 | itchi | capiira: Maybe there are already alternatives, just maybe you not know about?? |
| 21:47.34 | capiira | im selfemployed and do all kind of graphic stuff |
| 21:47.43 | capiira | maybe |
| 21:47.55 | itchi | capiira: Gimp, Blender? |
| 21:48.04 | capiira | i need a decent video editing app and compositing |
| 21:48.08 | capiira | 3d there exist maya |
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| 21:48.29 | tango_ | capiira, video editing like cinelerra? |
| 21:48.29 | capiira | for paint there is enough too |
| 21:48.40 | capiira | never heard let me see |
| 21:48.44 | capiira | its professional |
| 21:48.45 | capiira | ? |
| 21:48.48 | itchi | capiira: Many like Blender for his power too, but have not realy experiences with it, just saw many things made with it :-) |
| 21:48.52 | tango_ | it's pro-level |
| 21:49.07 | itchi | capiira: For paint, the alternative of PhotoShop -> Gimp |
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| 21:49.16 | capiira | yep and that cinepaint |
| 21:49.21 | capiira | gimp fork |
| 21:49.44 | itchi | capiira: There's GimpShop too, many more similar as PhotoShop |
| 21:49.54 | capiira | for flash development i can use the flex sdk |
| 21:50.06 | itchi | capiira: And if you not know about Blender, you should give it an try ;-) |
| 21:50.16 | capiira | i know about it |
| 21:50.21 | capiira | fits not too me :) |
| 21:50.22 | capiira | hehe |
| 21:50.25 | capiira | -o |
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| 21:50.57 | capiira | hmmm you know a sound editor |
| 21:51.02 | capiira | like cooledit? |
| 21:51.09 | itchi | capiira: Audacity |
| 21:51.15 | capiira | its now adobe audition |
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| 21:51.43 | itchi | capiira: Or Hydrogen?? |
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| 21:51.54 | capiira | let me check |
| 21:52.01 | itchi | Yeah :-p |
| 21:52.08 | eilker | i installed sarge r4 from first cd, i had to install x-windowing system and gdm myself, if i had other cd's, would i install x-windowing system and gdm myself, ? |
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| 21:52.41 | maxamillion | !aptitude > maxamillion |
| 21:52.52 | capiira | that hydrogen looks good |
| 21:52.53 | itchi | capiira: Not forget tthat cenelerra like tango_ told ;-) Maybe 'live' find you useful too |
| 21:53.07 | maxamillion | hrmm... i forget the bot command but want to quote it |
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| 21:53.20 | itchi | s/wrong/set\ to\ good/ |
| 21:53.21 | maxamillion | !why aptitude | maxamillion |
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| 21:53.27 | capiira | :) cool |
| 21:53.30 | maxamillion | !why aptitude |
| 21:53.30 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 21:53.30 | itchi | To many typo's |
| 21:53.35 | maxamillion | hrmmm.,.... |
| 21:53.41 | capiira | let me open my excel list |
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| 21:53.45 | pumpkin0 | maxamillion: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 21:53.54 | itchi | capiira: Ow, OOo?? |
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| 21:53.58 | capiira | :) |
| 21:54.02 | maxamillion | pumpkin0: ah, thank you ... sorry for the spam in the chan |
| 21:54.06 | robin_sz | so, having bulit and installed the appropriate V4L kernel module and plugged in my webcam .. a suitable X viewer to stare at the output would be? |
| 21:54.11 | capiira | im on win now dont slap me ! :) |
| 21:54.13 | capiira | hehe |
| 21:54.32 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: mplayer should do it. vlc too. |
| 21:54.40 | robin_sz | k |
| 21:55.14 | itchi | capiira: Maybe you will be interested to run an win32 os in your running Debian os. Look to virtualisation |
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| 21:55.33 | itchi | Ba, but need somethings fast then |
| 21:55.44 | robin_sz | pumpkin0, will xine do it? |
| 21:55.52 | capiira | nah i want to get completely rid of win+apps |
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| 21:56.35 | capiira | :) |
| 21:56.37 | blondie | "bat"? |
| 21:56.40 | itchi | capiira: Yeah ;-) So maybe virtuallisation will help you, so your sure you always run Debian, and some time, fire up an virtual computer :-) |
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| 21:57.07 | capiira | yeah maybe to test few stuff that i have done if it runs in windows |
| 21:57.26 | pumpkin0 | robin_sz: never tried ... |
| 21:57.28 | itchi | capiira: Exactly ;-) |
| 21:57.40 | robin_sz | hmm mplayer is broken in etch anyway |
| 21:57.47 | itchi | capiira: At least as it is not for games, it will be very fine |
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| 21:58.07 | capiira | nah i just play snes or n64 games sometimes |
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| 21:58.13 | tango_ | blondie, the bat! from ritlabs |
| 21:58.14 | capiira | in a emu |
| 21:58.18 | itchi | capiira: Here are simulators ;-) |
| 21:58.27 | robin_sz | oh well, I'll try vlc then ... whatever that is |
| 21:58.29 | capiira | yeah |
| 21:58.30 | itchi | capiira: Just aptitude install foo; done :-) |
| 21:58.31 | PerfDave | !ops MorG onjoin porn spammer |
| 21:58.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: perfdave complains about: MorG onjoin porn spammer |
| 21:58.33 | blondie | robin_sz: mplayer isn't in etch |
| 21:58.39 | capiira | :)) |
| 21:58.42 | blondie | robin_sz: and vlc works fine |
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| 21:58.45 | capiira | whats foo ? |
| 21:58.52 | itchi | Never one spams computers :-( |
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| 21:59.00 | robin_sz | blondie, installig now .. :) |
| 21:59.09 | PerfDave | Cheers azeem |
| 21:59.13 | tango_ | blondie, an excellent (albeit commercial) piece of software. I'd use kmail on linux, if I could convert everything. right now I can convert emails, losing the read/unread status, but not the filters or the account settings or the 'folder notes' |
| 21:59.15 | itchi | capiira: Look to /msg dpkg foo |
| 21:59.18 | itchi | !beer azeem |
| 21:59.21 | itchi | hehe |
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| 22:00.00 | capiira | :) heh# |
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| 22:00.44 | abchirk_ | how i can find out what is installed on my debian? |
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| 22:01.07 | itchi | abchirk_: Pay attention when you install stuff?? |
| 22:01.07 | pumpkin0 | abchirk_: aptitude |
| 22:01.08 | capiira | hehe |
| 22:01.10 | capiira | or that sy... tool |
| 22:01.13 | itchi | abchirk_: look to dpkg -l |
| 22:01.29 | abchirk_ | ok thx :) |
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| 22:02.59 | capiira | does testing really never the security updates? |
| 22:03.05 | capiira | never get |
| 22:03.13 | itchi | capiira: It get it |
| 22:03.21 | robin_sz | capiira, yes and no |
| 22:03.39 | capiira | ahh someone in here told me that just stable get security updates and testing just new packages |
| 22:03.52 | itchi | capiira: Like for sid, you have not an line in the sources.list for the security fixes, like the fixes are provided with the packaged himself |
| 22:03.53 | robin_sz | capiira, it has no "security" support, but you can expect the security patches to work their way in eventually |
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| 22:04.09 | PerfDave | capiira: The testing release doesn't get direct uploads from the Debian Security Team (there is/was a Testing Security Team effort but it kind of fizzled out). It (eventually) gets packages from unstable which should incorporate security fixes. |
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| 22:05.25 | capiira | so unstable get more native security patches? |
| 22:05.34 | PerfDave | capiira: "more native"? |
| 22:05.39 | robin_sz | ?? |
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| 22:05.49 | capiira | by the creators of the apps |
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| 22:05.53 | capiira | like gnome |
| 22:05.54 | robin_sz | sure |
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| 22:06.02 | robin_sz | when they get around to it |
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| 22:06.11 | PerfDave | capiira: No. |
| 22:06.34 | capiira | hmmm |
| 22:06.36 | PerfDave | capiira: Testing gets the same security updates that unstable does. |
| 22:06.37 | robin_sz | and when the package maintainer uploads stuff, maybe, just ,ayeb it has the vulenrabilies patched |
| 22:06.46 | robin_sz | exactly |
| 22:07.02 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 22:07.05 | PerfDave | capiira: It just gets them 3 (5?) days later |
| 22:07.17 | PerfDave | (assuming no major defects are filed against the unstable package in that time) |
| 22:07.31 | itchi | 10 for testing?? |
| 22:07.33 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 22:07.50 | robin_sz | itchi, depends ... could be less, could be weeks |
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| 22:07.56 | itchi | ok |
| 22:08.08 | PerfDave | itchi: I think that normally packages take 10 days to migrate between unstable and testing (assuming no major bugs) but uploads with security fixes are accelerated. I'm no expert though. |
| 22:08.26 | robin_sz | if you want security, use stable ... beyond that, its a risk |
| 22:08.37 | itchi | Me to, still learning the greatest tools :-) |
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| 22:09.00 | capiira | but if a big issue gets into the headline of news sites you think its going to be fixed for testing ? |
| 22:09.01 | muhoo | oh shit. i'm in deep trouble. |
| 22:09.02 | muhoo | http://pastebin.com/843393 |
| 22:09.25 | muhoo | replaced the "flaky" 3c59x card with a new one, and got a kernel panic, first one ever on this machine |
| 22:09.32 | robin_sz | why do webcams always defeat me? |
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| 22:09.50 | PerfDave | capiira: Eventually, yes. |
| 22:09.57 | capiira | ahh ok thx |
| 22:10.01 | robin_sz | I built the module, plugged in the cam, fired up vlc ... now what? |
| 22:10.05 | PerfDave | capiira: Like I say, I don't know what happened to the Debian Security Team. |
| 22:10.15 | robin_sz | /dev/v4l: no such device |
| 22:10.16 | muhoo | then i put a tulip card in instead, and the driver wouldn't load "failed with error -22" |
| 22:10.26 | capiira | oky :) |
| 22:10.28 | Gnea | robin_sz: vlc? |
| 22:10.38 | PerfDave | robin_sz: modprobe v4l? |
| 22:10.47 | robin_sz | PerfDave, point |
| 22:10.56 | itchi | robin_sz: Want you just to watch to the webcam? |
| 22:11.06 | muhoo | so now i'm stuck with the crappy via card that was built into the mobo. had to yank all pci cards out of the system |
| 22:11.14 | itchi | robin_sz: Maybe it should 'the webcam watching you' :-p |
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| 22:11.24 | pumpkin0 | muhoo: disabled the onBoard in BIOS ? |
| 22:11.34 | itchi | robin_sz: For my spycam i have /dev/video1 |
| 22:11.38 | Gnea | robin_sz: how is vlc going to help you view a cam? |
| 22:11.48 | muhoo | nope, the onboard is definitely not disabled |
| 22:12.00 | muhoo | i'm using it now |
| 22:12.08 | itchi | robin_sz: Look to gqcam, camstream |
| 22:12.24 | muhoo | been using the 3c59x cards in this box for ages too, with the via not disabled |
| 22:12.32 | Gnea | robin_sz: xawtv and tvtime are good for real-time viewing |
| 22:12.43 | robin_sz | Gnea, pumpkin0 and blondie tell me it works fine |
| 22:12.56 | joeamined | i would like to change the drives displayed in nautilus |
| 22:12.57 | joeamined | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.57 | joeamined | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:13.13 | capiira | btw. anyone know something like that for debian? http://www.emtec.com/moony/index.html a ISDN call application |
| 22:13.24 | muhoo | pumpkin0: irq conflict? |
| 22:13.30 | muhoo | hm |
| 22:13.44 | pumpkin0 | muhoo: something in that lines, yes. |
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| 22:14.02 | PerfDave | capiira: Search for isdn on packages.debian.org ? |
| 22:14.14 | Gnea | capiira: apt-cache search isdn |
| 22:14.23 | itchi | capiira: hhhmm, looks useful, not yet have an ISDN here, just cable broadband |
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| 22:15.10 | capiira | let me continue searching |
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| 22:17.20 | malebria | Where can I get a comparative statistic of the number of packages of each debian port? |
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| 22:17.48 | muhoo | pumpkin0: aha. http://www.beowulf.org/pipermail/vortex/2006-September/002537.html |
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| 22:18.05 | robin_sz | Gnea, fyi vlc works fine with this cm |
| 22:18.10 | robin_sz | cam |
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| 22:19.27 | itchi | robin_sz: Now try amsn or gnomemeeting maybe ;-) |
| 22:19.32 | blackelf | is comiz available in testing? |
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| 22:19.46 | gravity | blackelf: compiz is, if that was a typo |
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| 22:19.58 | blackelf | gravity: yes. and aiglx as well? |
| 22:20.00 | itchi | blackelf: compiz is only in Sid |
| 22:20.01 | gravity | blackelf: http://wiki.debian.org/compiz |
| 22:20.08 | gravity | erm... what? |
| 22:20.09 | blackelf | sid == testing or unstable? |
| 22:20.20 | pumpkin0 | unstable |
| 22:20.20 | gravity | blackelf: unstable |
| 22:20.27 | gravity | itchi: You're wrong |
| 22:20.31 | robin_sz | stark staring crazy |
| 22:20.32 | gravity | itchi: Compiz migrated to testing ages ago |
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| 22:20.38 | capiira | i saw it in testing |
| 22:20.42 | itchi | With a capital C in the link ^^ |
| 22:20.46 | PerfDave | My stepson is having problems mounting CF cards on my Etch desktop: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4884 |
| 22:21.02 | gravity | True |
| 22:21.06 | itchi | heh, yeah it's in Testing now :-) |
| 22:21.41 | capiira | but its not working out of the box |
| 22:21.45 | HappyEnouf | !fart rapid |
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| 22:22.22 | itchi | How can we see when somethings have been entered in an release? |
| 22:22.31 | gravity | capiira: It's not clear that it's wise for it to work out of the box yet. |
| 22:22.40 | PerfDave | itchi: "been entered in an release"? |
| 22:22.42 | gravity | It's pretty damn close currently |
| 22:22.49 | itchi | PerfDave: Yeah, like that compiz now |
| 22:22.50 | gravity | itchi: packages.debian.org/yourpackagename |
| 22:22.59 | gravity | itchi: Also packages.qa.debian.org/yourpackagename |
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| 22:23.26 | capiira | oh god opensuse #2 on distrowatch |
| 22:23.29 | itchi | gravity: Yeah ;-) i know that, but wonder if there's an list with 'New in Etch sind', aka an log file or so |
| 22:23.37 | capiira | they customized it to hell |
| 22:23.41 | itchi | s/sind/since/ |
| 22:23.53 | gravity | itchi: Not really. The qa page is as close as I know of. |
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| 22:24.33 | itchi | gravity: Yeah, so there's not realy an pracktical way :-/ At least if you not know the stuff |
| 22:24.33 | gravity | There may be something else. There's tons of little web pages and tools floating around |
| 22:24.47 | gravity | itchi: Well, what's your goal exactly? |
| 22:25.02 | gravity | itchi: If you want to know if a specific package is in testing, you can check either of those pages I just listed. |
| 22:25.13 | gravity | I'm not sure what you want to do |
| 22:25.47 | itchi | gravity: Just an Changelog with new items |
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| 22:26.01 | blackelf | gravity: any idea when compiz and/or beryl will hit testing? |
| 22:26.11 | itchi | blackelf: It is already |
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| 22:26.17 | threw | hi all ! |
| 22:26.44 | blackelf | itchi: which one in which? |
| 22:26.46 | gravity | itchi: Oh, subscribe to debian-testing-changes |
| 22:26.46 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: compiz is in testing. |
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| 22:26.53 | blackelf | neat |
| 22:26.55 | gravity | blackelf: Compiz is already in testing |
| 22:26.59 | itchi | gravity: Like you say, oh :-) |
| 22:27.02 | gravity | blackelf: beryl will hit testing after I upload it |
| 22:27.10 | itchi | gravity: Had forget that one ;-) |
| 22:27.23 | blackelf | gravity: when you plan on that? btw, shouldnt it be in unstable first? |
| 22:27.24 | robin_sz | bah, the resolution on this camera is crap .. and I paid nearly £6 for it!! |
| 22:27.24 | gravity | Shawn finished the packages for 0.13, but I need to audit them |
| 22:27.31 | gravity | blackelf: Yes, it'll go to unstable first |
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| 22:27.40 | itchi | hhhmm, i have beryl here, but have Etch too :-/ |
| 22:27.44 | gravity | blackelf: I'll probably upload to unstable over the next week |
| 22:27.58 | blackelf | gravity: so it might be in testing in like... month? |
| 22:28.02 | gravity | blackelf: It won't hit testing until after the release, but you can probably pull the packages from unstable when they're there |
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| 22:28.17 | blackelf | gravity: do beryl + aiglx work on i915? is so then perhaps I might help with some testing? |
| 22:28.20 | gravity | There's no way beryl will ship with etch |
| 22:28.26 | gravity | blackelf: Yes they do |
| 22:28.31 | gravity | Heh... "help with some testing" |
| 22:28.32 | blackelf | sweet |
| 22:28.40 | gravity | Just pull the packages from git.debian.org, build, and enjoy |
| 22:28.42 | blackelf | gravity: I fille in a shitload of bug reports |
| 22:28.53 | threw | i have a simple question about linux's wget (or any other command line interface downloading programm): i have want to download each file under a http directory: e.g i have this address http://www.xxx.com/dir/ and i want to download each file who is in dir. And, of course, if i go to my address with a web browser i can have access to the listing directory. anyone has an idea please ? |
| 22:29.02 | itchi | Yeah i got it, maybe you want /msg dpkg beryl |
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| 22:29.52 | PerfDave | threw: That is possible with wget, hav eyou read the manpage? |
| 22:29.52 | pumpkin0 | threw: wget -r -np http://www.xxx.com/dir/ (-r for recursive, -np for no parents) |
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| 22:31.02 | PerfDave | So anyway, can anybody help me with my Etch udev/hal issue? Details at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4884 to avoid spamming |
| 22:31.07 | rahul | pr0n-snarf www.xxx.com |
| 22:31.09 | robin_sz | bear in mind, that only works if the files are linked from the index.html and other pages ... |
| 22:31.12 | joeamined | in the "computer" shortcut |
| 22:31.15 | threw | pumpkin0, thanks, it worked perfectly :) |
| 22:31.29 | robin_sz | no links and it wont be found, obviously |
| 22:31.47 | PerfDave | robin_sz: threw already said that they got a directory listing in a browser ;) |
| 22:31.48 | threw | PerfDave, yes i have already try to read it but i didnt find any concluent stuff into wget manpage |
| 22:32.09 | robin_sz | PerfDave, ahyes |
| 22:32.09 | PerfDave | concluent? |
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| 22:32.29 | threw | ah "good stuff" i would mean |
| 22:32.54 | robin_sz | concluent, from the verb conclue |
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| 22:33.19 | robin_sz | present, indicative |
| 22:33.24 | threw | rahul, does your programm can make a listing directory of his own ?! |
| 22:33.36 | rahul | heh |
| 22:33.54 | threw | ? |
| 22:34.05 | rahul | !penixstrike threw |
| 22:34.05 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking threw to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:34.26 | threw | .... |
| 22:35.17 | threw | whats the meaning of "pr0n-snarf www.xxx.com" so please ? |
| 22:35.34 | robin_sz | it was rhetorical |
| 22:35.40 | rahul | heh. |
| 22:35.42 | blondie | threw: spam? |
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| 22:35.54 | threw | ah ok |
| 22:35.59 | threw | blondie: why ?! |
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| 22:36.14 | rahul | wget works fine for snarfing pr0n |
| 22:36.23 | rahul | Just Do It. |
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| 22:36.48 | threw | ah ok |
| 22:37.05 | rahul | !pr0n-get |
| 22:37.05 | dpkg | well, pr0n-get is see porn-get |
| 22:37.10 | rahul | !porn-get |
| 22:37.11 | dpkg | somebody said porn-get was at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 22:37.22 | threw | no it was just for getting some mp3: if any french speaker here: http://www.bouletcorp.com/radio/mp3/ |
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| 22:38.53 | w0jtas | hi, |
| 22:39.13 | w0jtas | can somebody give me god howto for mrtg or something else configuration ? |
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| 22:39.23 | w0jtas | i need graph of cpu and network usage |
| 22:41.46 | itchi | threw: Il m'a vue nue :-p |
| 22:42.12 | robin_sz | w0jtas, network usage on a router? or on the local eth0 port? |
| 22:42.38 | itchi | !beer SadEnouf |
| 22:42.38 | threw | itchi: huh ? qui ca ? |
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| 22:42.38 | itchi | threw: Toi :-p |
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| 22:43.09 | SadEnouf | itchi: Gracias! |
| 22:43.13 | itchi | threw: It's a track there ^ |
| 22:43.48 | itchi | SadEnouf: Sign, when you need some more ;-) |
| 22:43.58 | robin_sz | w0jtas, network usage on a router? or on the local eth0 port? |
| 22:44.01 | threw | itchi: ah ok :) |
| 22:44.05 | SadEnouf | !pony itchi |
| 22:44.29 | beardy | Cheater. |
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| 22:45.02 | w0jtas | robin_sz: local eth0 |
| 22:45.06 | djtansey | i hope someone can help me. how do you use the command line to forward entire local mailboxes to another address? |
| 22:45.10 | w0jtas | but i already have it, i think |
| 22:45.14 | w0jtas | so only cpu usage |
| 22:45.23 | robin_sz | install mrtg-utils |
| 22:45.33 | w0jtas | then ? |
| 22:46.06 | threw | HUH, it appends to me a really weird things: http://pastebin.ca/raw/289171 ! anyone has an idea please ? |
| 22:46.38 | robin_sz | edit your /etc/mrtg/mrtg.conf ... if you already have eth0, just copy the lines and replace the script for etho useage with the cpu-useage one .. they even come from the same utils dir |
| 22:47.00 | PerfDave | Oh, FFS, I hate udev. |
| 22:47.09 | robin_sz | i hate lepers |
| 22:47.09 | cbr | if i uninstall discover, will i miss anything? |
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| 22:50.20 | w0jtas | argh.... network usage dont work :( |
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| 22:55.33 | steven | I want to setup a gateway firewall with also dhcp, my wan interface uses the dcp server from my isp, how can I configure dhcp that he must exclude the wan interface? |
| 22:56.41 | PerfDave | steven: You want to run a DHCP server on your machine, and have it not listen on the ISP-facing interface? |
| 22:57.15 | steven | PerfDave: yes exactly |
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| 22:59.52 | cmweb | Any one use keep? I am having problems making a folder for the backup |
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| 23:01.55 | Life | hi, for some reason i can make connections to other servers, however i can not connect to the server |
| 23:01.56 | Life | any help? |
| 23:02.25 | cmweb | Any one use keep? I am having problems making a folder for the backup |
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| 23:04.19 | PerfDave | steven: Which DHCP server are you trying to use? |
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| 23:05.28 | steven | PerfDave: dhcpd, I've set it up, but I do not know how to exclude my wan interface that requests his ip through the dhcp server of my isp |
| 23:05.39 | Eulex | hmm... I've got 1.9gb RX and TX on the lo interface for today... although I don't have any server that I've used on the machine (I've got an sshd server, but that one hasn't been used today...), how come? |
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| 23:05.57 | AndyMcGee | Hi, how do i reset the toolbar locations in gnome? |
| 23:06.08 | PerfDave | steven: Is that the ISC one? |
| 23:06.37 | Eulex | Oh, I've got mpd and a client for it... but that shouldn't use that much bandwidth |
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| 23:09.39 | steven | PerfDave: yes |
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| 23:10.01 | PerfDave | steven: Ah, I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that, I just use dnsmasq 'cause it's easy :) |
| 23:11.05 | itchi | Yeah, that's just an matter to install the package :-) |
| 23:12.00 | steven | PerfDave: no prob, I can set the dhcp server up on another pc, but my goal was to set up a gateway firewall, which also acts as the dhcp server |
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| 23:12.32 | PerfDave | steven: I'm sure it's possible. Have you looked at dnsmasq? It does DNS resolution and DHCP, and is great for use on local networks. |
| 23:13.59 | steven | PerfDave: I will consider it, the say its light and fast :-) |
| 23:15.17 | capiira | hmm will etch get LSB? |
| 23:15.28 | PerfDave | "get" |
| 23:15.29 | PerfDave | ? |
| 23:15.34 | capiira | become |
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| 23:16.08 | capiira | or get a LSB Certification |
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| 23:21.51 | PerfDave | capiira: A quick googling suggests that Etch is intended to be LSB 3 compatiable |
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| 23:22.25 | PerfDave | capiira: http://lwn.net/Articles/207085/ says that Etch won't release if it isn't LSB 3.1-compliant |
| 23:24.02 | djtansey | has anyone here used command line tools transfer old emails from one server to another (preferably as if they were still from the original sender, not forwarded from your old self/address to your new self/address) |
| 23:24.41 | gravity | djtansey: Can't you just tar up the mail files and send them over? |
| 23:25.11 | djtansey | gravity - it isn't to a new linux server. it's "offsite" to a third party server |
| 23:25.26 | PerfDave | Fetchmail? |
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| 23:25.37 | gravity | djtansey: So? Why can't you move the tarball to that server? |
| 23:25.50 | gravity | I don't really understand the situation |
| 23:25.55 | CrazednDazed | How can I remove the top panel in xfce? |
| 23:26.42 | djtansey | gravity: i'm disbanding an old server. some of the stuff i can move to my new server. some users of my old server want their messages forwarded to their new primary email addresses (yahoo, gmail, etc.) |
| 23:27.03 | djtansey | PerfDave: it's been a while since i've used fetchmail, and never to do this. i'll look into it again. thanks. |
| 23:27.26 | pythonic | hi! why do postgres, dhcpd3, afs bosserver, sshd, etc. run in system_u:system_r:initrc_t on etch? |
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| 23:28.01 | gravity | Ah, that's more complicated than what I had in mind |
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| 23:28.34 | abrotman | i doubt yahoo, etc have an option to import mbox/maildir .. but i bet they have a pop3 option |
| 23:28.53 | gravity | You'd have to forward those along I imagine. |
| 23:31.07 | djtansey | gravity: yeah... just trying to find the easiest way to do it. it's been a while since i've done this stuff. |
| 23:31.21 | capiira | wow i just found this : http://linuxartist.org/ |
| 23:31.25 | capiira | good site |
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| 23:34.23 | usr_rob | going to miss my debian in christmas eve, huhu |
| 23:35.40 | PerfDave | usr_rob: Are you getting Vista for Christmas? |
| 23:35.59 | usr_rob | hehe, no, are you? |
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| 23:36.07 | capiira | lol |
| 23:36.10 | usr_rob | hehe |
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| 23:36.57 | mickael__ | hi |
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| 23:37.14 | usr_rob | PerfDave: My wife don't like that i use computer on christmas eve |
| 23:37.27 | capiira | lol |
| 23:37.41 | usr_rob | hehe |
| 23:37.47 | mickael__ | how to make a screenshot of my terminal, without graphical interface? |
| 23:38.13 | streuner | scrot |
| 23:38.34 | streuner | !ss |
| 23:38.35 | dpkg | [ss] screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 23:38.58 | usr_rob | would be nice to have the obexserver in testing |
| 23:39.01 | abrotman | streuner: he means a console screenshot |
| 23:39.12 | capiira | hrr that windows key icon on my keyboard annoys me |
| 23:39.25 | blondie | not sure you can make a screenshot of the console... maybe you need a camera c.c |
| 23:39.35 | streuner | digicamera then? ;-) |
| 23:39.36 | usr_rob | capiira, sell it on ebay ? |
| 23:39.57 | blondie | using jpegs for screenshots is evil! |
| 23:39.58 | capiira | there no decent keyboard without win keys on the market |
| 23:39.58 | PerfDave | mickael__: screen |
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| 23:40.55 | capiira | maybe gasoline helps me |
| 23:42.12 | mickael__ | streuner: i have not x server |
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| 23:43.46 | usr_rob | in /etc/sudoers, "Defaults tty_tickets,timestamp_timeout=5" does '5' stand for sec. or min.? |
| 23:44.36 | usr_rob | and wahat does "!fqdn" stand for ? |
| 23:45.11 | usr_rob | *what |
| 23:45.24 | blondie | fully qualified domain name |
| 23:45.38 | usr_rob | blondie, ah, thx! |
| 23:48.58 | daxxar | !fqdn |
| 23:48.58 | dpkg | hmm... fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 23:49.23 | Ankman | !boobs |
| 23:49.23 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
| 23:49.27 | Ankman | haha |
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| 23:50.43 | usr_rob | daxxar, thx! i found more info on sudo man. page. |
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| 23:50.53 | daxxar | :-) |
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| 23:53.38 | dondelelcaro | usr_rob: man sudoers; has all the information. |
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| 23:54.46 | usr_rob | dondelelcaro, thx, as i wrote before. i did look at the man sudoers. :) |
| 23:56.22 | stoned | word |
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| 23:58.37 | blackelf | I can of course install debian from debian testing CD (NOT net install) without inet access? |
| 23:58.51 | perlmonk | Anyone knows about a free implementation of SARP ? (Secure ARP) |
| 23:58.54 | usr_rob | damn, need to move 140g from the server disks, using lvm. dont have alot of free space on my workstations :(. need to install openbsd/debian on the server, have not deicided yet. need to wipe that centos thou. |
| 23:59.50 | blackelf | whats ARP |