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| 00:00.25 | itchi | blackelf: Yeah, you can download all the Etch cd's too |
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| 00:01.31 | jmd | Can somebody explain to me how to use /usr/sbin/update-alternatives? The man page has been carefully crafted so as to be absolutely incomprehensible. |
| 00:01.57 | azeem | jmd: update-alternatives --config <foo> |
| 00:02.29 | jmd | There is only 1 program which provides vi |
| 00:02.36 | jmd | (/usr/bin/nvi). Nothing to configure. |
| 00:02.51 | jmd | That doesn't mean much to me. |
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| 00:03.28 | azeem | jmd: why do you want to configure alternatives, when you have only one vi clone? |
| 00:03.40 | azeem | that doesn't make much sense to me |
| 00:04.03 | jmd | I messed it up whilst trying to do something else. Now I want to put it back how it was. |
| 00:04.09 | PerfDave | Fuck, udev seems to be causing my box to hard-lock |
| 00:04.23 | azeem | jmd: how was it |
| 00:04.24 | azeem | ? |
| 00:05.42 | jmd | No idea. All I want (at the moment) is that when I type "vi" it starts vi |
| 00:05.42 | jmd | (or nvi) |
| 00:05.42 | azeem | jmd: it doesn't? |
| 00:05.42 | jmd | No |
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| 00:05.50 | azeem | then figure out why not |
| 00:05.51 | azeem | and fix it |
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| 00:06.02 | azeem | because apparently your system thinks it does |
| 00:06.04 | streuner | PerfDave: unstable? |
| 00:06.13 | azeem | so you probably manually misconfigured something |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | update-alternatives |
| 00:06.25 | azeem | see above |
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| 00:06.48 | perlmonk | blackelf, ARP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol |
| 00:06.59 | jmd | azeem, I thought the point of tools like update-alternatives was to avoid the need for that sort of detective work. |
| 00:07.08 | zeerine | I've got a remote server that's too far away to get to. I want to take it down to the base install, removing /everything/ that is not specifically required by the packages I leave in. Essentially I guess I want to completely rebuild the thing remotely. How would I go about that? |
| 00:07.08 | azeem | jmd: no, it's to configure alternatives |
| 00:07.09 | perlmonk | You can also check man arp |
| 00:07.16 | azeem | not the unbreak your breakings |
| 00:07.39 | jmd | azeem, But I can configure alternatives using ln |
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| 00:07.50 | azeem | jmd: yes |
| 00:07.59 | PerfDave | streuner: No, Etch |
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| 00:08.19 | jmd | why should I use a script (which I have to spend a lot of time working out how to use), unless it gives me some benefit? |
| 00:08.21 | streuner | PerfDave: aren't those packages frozen already? |
| 00:08.37 | azeem | jmd: see above |
| 00:08.55 | PerfDave | streuner: Probably. what's that got to do with it? |
| 00:09.50 | streuner | PerfDave: well, what does BTS say about? |
| 00:10.18 | PerfDave | streuner: I don't know whehter I should be looking at hte kernel, udev, hal or what, this udev stuff is new to me and as buggy as I'd feared. |
| 00:10.38 | streuner | why do you have hal installed at all? |
| 00:10.49 | streuner | pretty unusual |
| 00:10.52 | azeem | eh? |
| 00:11.04 | azeem | it's pretty standard these days |
| 00:11.09 | PerfDave | streuner: Uhm, it's an etch install. |
| 00:11.23 | streuner | and that install hal by default? |
| 00:11.32 | streuner | strange |
| 00:11.34 | azeem | at least if you tell it to install some desktop |
| 00:11.44 | PerfDave | I didn't install it by hand. |
| 00:11.45 | azeem | people actually want usable systems these days |
| 00:11.56 | gravity | Whiners :-) |
| 00:12.06 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:12.14 | PerfDave | azeem: Yeah, I'm considering reinstalling with Sarge to get one. |
| 00:12.32 | streuner | gravity: i didn't think about you, atm... |
| 00:12.53 | azeem | PerfDave: feel free |
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| 00:13.05 | itchi | Wich kernels are without SMP support? |
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| 00:13.44 | PerfDave | All I wanted was some way of handling devices without dicking around with /etc/fstab, and built-in Xen support, but Etch seems to keep locking my box and I don't understand why :( |
| 00:14.02 | dvs | itchi: sarge or etch? |
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| 00:14.06 | azeem | PerfDave: ah, xen |
| 00:14.09 | itchi | dvs: Etch |
| 00:14.13 | dvs | itchi: none |
| 00:14.15 | PerfDave | azeem: I'm not using Xen currently. |
| 00:14.16 | itchi | I think i hit a bug on shfs, with an duo core |
| 00:14.20 | Niacin | can anyone help me with this |
| 00:14.21 | Niacin | files list file for package `libgdbm3' contains empty filename |
| 00:14.21 | Niacin | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:14.32 | azeem | PerfDave: well, try to come up with a good error description first |
| 00:14.33 | Niacin | every time i time i try and install something with apt-get |
| 00:14.37 | azeem | and/or install sarge |
| 00:14.38 | limpio | hi all, do Exim4 and Sendmail do the same type of functions? |
| 00:14.46 | azeem | limpio: yes |
| 00:14.54 | limpio | thx |
| 00:15.05 | itchi | Some time he say 'oeps' and i can no more use shfs, yeah, and now i not get it :-/ Just happend some time, randomly |
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| 00:15.09 | PerfDave | azeem: OK, my machine seems to hard-lock when I try to access files off a USB-attached card reader as a certain user, but not as another. |
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| 00:15.15 | azeem | Niacin: apt-get install --reinstall libgdbm3 |
| 00:15.35 | azeem | PerfDave: and mounting is fine? |
| 00:15.53 | streuner | gravity: i installed network-manager and that installs hal, but it wasn't at all on my system (PerfDave) |
| 00:16.08 | streuner | PerfDave: CC ^^^ |
| 00:16.11 | PerfDave | azeem: Kind of. I could always mount as the "OK" user, I've had problems mounting it as the other user before but it seems to work now. |
| 00:16.25 | Niacin | azeem, i tried that it gives me the same error |
| 00:16.50 | azeem | streuner: gnome -> gnome-desktop-environment -> gnome-volume-manager -> hal |
| 00:16.54 | itchi | ... and someone told me to test with an non SMP kernel |
| 00:17.03 | azeem | PerfDave: and why do you think udev is at fault? |
| 00:17.11 | abrotman | i blame pete! |
| 00:17.11 | streuner | PerfDave: so you are using GNOME? |
| 00:17.21 | PerfDave | streuner: Fuck no :) |
| 00:17.31 | PerfDave | azeem: Because the errors I was getting with the mounting seemed to be udev / hal related. |
| 00:17.37 | streuner | fuck, why do you have hal installed then? |
| 00:18.02 | PerfDave | I've got kdebase installed, would that do it? |
| 00:18.07 | azeem | streuner: because KDE uses it as well? |
| 00:18.10 | streuner | PerfDave: apt-get remove hal, no. |
| 00:18.14 | streuner | heh |
| 00:18.25 | azeem | streuner: wtf are you telling people to uninstall hal? |
| 00:18.43 | Niacin | http://pastebin.ca/289262 any ideas? |
| 00:18.44 | streuner | PerfDave: to see which packages needs hal |
| 00:18.54 | abrotman | !rdepends hal etch |
| 00:19.02 | Niacin | i'm sure its related to the fact that it says its 0B |
| 00:19.09 | abrotman | hrm .. i thought the bot could do it |
| 00:19.29 | abrotman | kdebase is an rdep of hal |
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| 00:19.51 | streuner | un kdebase <keine> (keine Beschreibung vorhanden) |
| 00:19.57 | streuner | makes sense then... |
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| 00:20.10 | azeem | streuner: we're assuming a desktop here |
| 00:20.20 | azeem | i.e. either KDE or GNOME |
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| 00:21.19 | azeem | PerfDave: if you really have trouble /accessing/ files on a mounted volume, I fail to see how udev could possibly be the culprit |
| 00:21.26 | Niacin | azeem, ? :)p |
| 00:21.36 | azeem | PerfDave: do you get anything written to the logs before the lockup? |
| 00:21.49 | PerfDave | azeem: I had trouble accessing files on the volume, then that stopped, and now it locks up when I try to copy files across from that volume to my HDD |
| 00:21.52 | PerfDave | (as one user) |
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| 00:22.00 | azeem | PerfDave: but... |
| 00:22.05 | azeem | udev is concerned with creating devices |
| 00:22.14 | azeem | not even mounting stuff |
| 00:22.49 | PerfDave | azeem: Yeah, it's a USB card reader which has its device node created by udev. |
| 00:23.00 | PerfDave | Nothing in the logs anyway. |
| 00:23.14 | azeem | Niacin: paste the content of /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgdbm3.list as well |
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| 00:25.07 | snowbird | i kneed to pation what can i use? |
| 00:25.08 | azeem | PerfDave: is it getting automounted? |
| 00:25.16 | azeem | snowbird: pation? |
| 00:25.24 | Niacin | thanks azeem there was a random word that the end of that file |
| 00:25.24 | Niacin | ;) |
| 00:25.33 | azeem | np |
| 00:25.35 | snowbird | partion seize |
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| 00:25.41 | PerfDave | azeem: No, the unmounted device icon appears on the desktop, and it's mounted when I click on it. |
| 00:25.44 | snowbird | its to resize |
| 00:25.52 | azeem | Niacin: if you didn't write it there yourself accidently, this smells of file system corruption |
| 00:26.02 | azeem | Niacin: so better boot a livecd, and run a forced fsck |
| 00:26.09 | snowbird | qt parted wont install |
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| 00:26.19 | azeem | PerfDave: in GNOME? |
| 00:26.21 | Niacin | azeem, its an NFS root |
| 00:26.23 | itchi | snowbird: How so? |
| 00:26.25 | PerfDave | azeem: No, in KDE |
| 00:26.27 | Niacin | prob should run fsck |
| 00:26.28 | azeem | Niacin: hrm, ok |
| 00:26.32 | azeem | PerfDave: ah, rigt |
| 00:26.38 | snowbird | borken for sarge i hear |
| 00:26.41 | Niacin | whats the X11 package name in debian? |
| 00:26.41 | itchi | snowbird: Tell us the error you get |
| 00:26.56 | azeem | PerfDave: no problem, it's that I'm not familiar with KDE |
| 00:27.06 | antgel | hi all, having a problem with lirc-modules-source on an up-to-date etch - log is at http://pastebin.com/843434. modules build okay, but modprobe lirc_imon results in "invalid module format". weird as i have the correct headers for my kernel installed |
| 00:27.08 | snowbird | has 50 packages to install |
| 00:27.11 | itchi | snowbird: Make use of an pastebin to paste the stuff. See '/msg dpkg paste' (type just the things below the both ' ') |
| 00:27.16 | azeem | PerfDave: still, this looks like a hardware/kernel/fs issue rather than a projec-utopia issue to me |
| 00:27.19 | snowbird | kk |
| 00:27.20 | azeem | project* |
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| 00:27.26 | PerfDave | azeem: I don't think KDE should be able to completely lock the system, which is why I'm looking at stuff like udev. |
| 00:27.38 | azeem | yeah, I'm not saying it's KDE |
| 00:27.49 | snowbird | some like qt but smaller |
| 00:27.50 | streuner | azeem: udev works for me like a charm since serveral months... |
| 00:27.59 | itchi | snowbird: Yeah, if it require some other stuff, it been require it and you should install the others stuff too (what are done automatically) |
| 00:28.18 | azeem | but if it manages to at least sometimes mount successfully, getting issues on access sound pretty low-level to me |
| 00:28.19 | streuner | so its reality |
| 00:28.24 | snowbird | yeah so qt is best? |
| 00:28.42 | snowbird | can it install via apt get? |
| 00:28.44 | PerfDave | azeem: Well, the mount errors were there, then they went away and haven't come back. |
| 00:28.45 | itchi | snowbird: Define 'best' :-) |
| 00:29.07 | snowbird | not brake packages |
| 00:29.18 | PerfDave | azeem: It seemed that rebooting the system helped. Linux is turning into Windows :/ |
| 00:29.23 | snowbird | simple to use |
| 00:29.25 | antgel | abrotman: i got the message from the bot. i don't understand why it doesn't work out of the box |
| 00:29.36 | abrotman | antgel: gcc --version && cat /proc/version |
| 00:29.36 | itchi | snowbird: It have nothings to do with breaking other stuff btw |
| 00:29.54 | snowbird | kk cool |
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| 00:30.00 | antgel | abrotman: doh! |
| 00:30.04 | itchi | snowbird: Yeah, it's "Peace Of Cake" |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | and? |
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| 00:30.15 | snowbird | then il get it is there apt-get qt |
| 00:30.27 | antgel | abrotman: (GCC) 4.1.2 20061028, Linux gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 |
| 00:30.30 | itchi | snowbird: Not yet done?? :-p |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | that seems okay |
| 00:30.42 | antgel | both 4.1.2 |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | that was my bright idea :) |
| 00:31.19 | antgel | what is odd is that another module from the lirc-modules-source modprobes, no problem |
| 00:31.43 | antgel | abrotman: i'm tempted to raise a bug report, but bit lazy unless i have a go myself |
| 00:32.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:32.31 | antgel | abrotman: no more bright ideas? lettuce? |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | maybe something in the README would help ? |
| 00:32.42 | antgel | abrotman: are you taking the piss |
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| 00:33.09 | abrotman | no .. but i'm about to cook food :) |
| 00:33.24 | CrazednDazed | what's a command to see how much physical memory I have? |
| 00:33.29 | antgel | fair enough, what you having? bacon sub? |
| 00:33.35 | streuner | another word to this topic, udev is (almost) no issue here since serveral months, means there are only a few people reporting problems here, PerfDave prolly remembered "old times", but he isn't able to local the real problem at all... |
| 00:33.38 | dvs | CrazednDazed: free |
| 00:34.08 | CrazednDazed | coo, thanks |
| 00:34.09 | PerfDave | streuner: Meh, I still see lots of udev problems on this channel (and elsewhere) with Etch users. |
| 00:34.18 | abrotman | antgel: fish and green beans |
| 00:34.24 | PerfDave | streuner: It managed to trash one Sarge->Etch upgrade too :) |
| 00:34.29 | antgel | abrotman: remarkably healthy, enjoy |
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| 00:34.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:34.37 | azeem | antgel: what does file say on them? |
| 00:34.40 | abrotman | antgel: some of us know how to cook! |
| 00:35.01 | antgel | azeem: hi there, you mean what does file say on the .ko? |
| 00:35.17 | azeem | yes |
| 00:35.18 | itchi | Can i use é è à ï chars and such in filenames on an ext3? |
| 00:35.25 | antgel | abrotman: some of us are too busy to cook, wish i had a job like yours :) |
| 00:36.08 | abrotman | antgel: uhm .. i had off and was still in my office today |
| 00:36.20 | antgel | abrotman: mug! |
| 00:36.22 | antgel | ;) |
| 00:36.39 | antgel | azeem: /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/misc/lirc_imon.ko: ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped |
| 00:36.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:37.12 | azeem | antgel: no idea |
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| 00:37.29 | antgel | azeem: same file output for the lirc_dev.ko, which modprobes fine |
| 00:37.34 | touch | Okay, I'm officially lost. I've tried using the default wacom entries in the xorg.conf to make my touchscreen work, that didn't work, I've loaded a second driver, added it to xorg.conf and that didn't work.. how do I get this thing to at least accept there's a touchscreen? |
| 00:37.42 | azeem | antgel: anything in dmesg |
| 00:37.47 | itchi | Yeah, looks like we can create it so, but have some files with an ? char in it. I just tested now, been work, but wonder why some older files have that ? char |
| 00:37.54 | antgel | azeem: yes! |
| 00:38.06 | antgel | lirc_imon: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 00:38.47 | antgel | abrotman: language! |
| 00:38.55 | antgel | is kingsley still around? |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | BASTARD! |
| 00:38.58 | abrotman | better? :) |
| 00:39.07 | antgel | kingsley: fucking ping? |
| 00:39.09 | streuner | no, his "Ghost" ;-) |
| 00:39.12 | blondie | you get banned from #gentoo for swearing |
| 00:39.17 | itchi | Or is that because i have used before another locale and now i use UTF-8? |
| 00:39.47 | streuner | antgel: that was the 'wrong' word! -- hehe |
| 00:40.25 | antgel | !kingsley |
| 00:40.26 | dpkg | from memory, kingsley is http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ |
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| 00:41.31 | antgel | streuner: thanks! |
| 00:41.35 | antgel | abrotman: thanks! |
| 00:41.43 | streuner | for what for? |
| 00:42.15 | antgel | streuner: for kingsley's productivity stats |
| 00:42.29 | streuner | heh, you found that by yourself |
| 00:43.04 | snowbird | geeze need soap |
| 00:44.16 | capiira | would you people recommend etch testing for work as desktop? |
| 00:44.24 | robin_sz | yes |
| 00:44.51 | capiira | ok :) |
| 00:45.07 | antgel | abrotman: i did the gcc --version && cat /proc/version on the wrong machine btw :) still 4.1.2 on both |
| 00:45.24 | antgel | so, do i raise a bug against lirc-modules-source? |
| 00:45.56 | capiira | like ? |
| 00:46.02 | azeem | maybe take a look at the release notes |
| 00:46.09 | azeem | and file bugs on them if things are missing |
| 00:46.10 | PerfDave | azeem: Read 'em. |
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| 00:46.20 | PerfDave | Like automounting USB keys when they're plugged in, getting network interfaces to set themselves up, etc. |
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| 00:47.51 | abrotman | antgel: hehe |
| 00:47.53 | Niacin | how do you sync using debians ntp client? |
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| 00:48.07 | DerJamster | I prefer using ntpdate and a cronjob. |
| 00:48.33 | streuner | ntpdate should that do auto... |
| 00:48.34 | blondie | so do I |
| 00:48.41 | blondie | ntp daemon is sucky |
| 00:48.47 | Niacin | i installed "ntp" package but no ntpdate |
| 00:48.51 | DerJamster | place a cronjob in cron.hourly that does ntpdate -u yourtimeserver &> /dev/null |
| 00:49.02 | DerJamster | streuner: nope, not ntpdate. an ntp server will, yes. |
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| 00:49.14 | Niacin | arr its a completely diff package |
| 00:49.25 | DerJamster | I prefer ntpdate, as its simpler to handle for a single box. |
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| 00:49.36 | streuner | Derjamster: there were issues... |
| 00:50.00 | streuner | Derjamster: older packages didn't update the time |
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| 00:50.05 | DerJamster | it's not as clean as a ntp daemon, yes, but as long as you're not running a production server, I don't see any big problems. |
| 00:50.10 | streuner | newer packages just fixed that... |
| 00:50.10 | DerJamster | and yeah, I had that once. |
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| 00:50.58 | touch | Does Debian include a way of telling you what device it's assigned to something plugged into a USB port that's not a drive? Like /dev/input/event1? |
| 00:51.16 | DerJamster | perhaps the usbtools package can help. |
| 00:51.38 | Shadowcat | so who do we blame for this whole etch debacle? |
| 00:51.53 | Shadowcat | I mean we made news.com |
| 00:51.59 | Shadowcat | so we must be screwing up royally |
| 00:52.18 | streuner | omg |
| 00:52.26 | DerJamster | duct-tank of couse </sarcasm> |
| 00:52.28 | touch | Got it DerJamster, but it's not telling me |
| 00:52.36 | Shadowcat | it was streuner's fault wasn't it? |
| 00:53.08 | streuner | that's OT here |
| 00:53.28 | Shadowcat | OT? |
| 00:53.30 | streuner | streuner's faults ;-) |
| 00:53.33 | PerfDave | Etch debacle? |
| 00:53.35 | streuner | Off-Topic |
| 00:54.09 | streuner | it would run like a charm, if PerfDave just install a 'normal' WM ;-) |
| 00:54.41 | PerfDave | streuner: As opposed to the one that makes Linux usable? |
| 00:54.50 | streuner | haha |
| 00:55.44 | PerfDave | streuner: What's this "debacle"? |
| 00:56.05 | streuner | heh? ask the one who started to talk about 'debacle'? |
| 00:56.17 | itchi | PerfDave: Do an google search on duct-tank |
| 00:56.26 | Shadowcat | http://news.com.com/Debian+delayed+as+contributors+get+grouchy/2100-7344_3-6144737.html |
| 00:56.28 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: What's this "debacle"? |
| 00:56.40 | PerfDave | itchi: That was ages ago though |
| 00:56.49 | Shadowcat | ya well still, who do we hang? |
| 00:56.56 | EdwardElric | i just remotely installed kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 on debian serge, then did 'shutdown -r now' and waited and waited...and the machine never came back online, and anyone think of reasons why it didn't? |
| 00:57.03 | itchi | Should be dunc-tank |
| 00:57.15 | EdwardElric | *can anyone |
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| 00:57.26 | pythonic | anyone used selinux? |
| 00:57.28 | DerJamster | EdwardElric: can be many reasons. |
| 00:57.37 | itchi | PerfDave: Nope, applies sind Etch it's looks |
| 00:57.40 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: Wasn't that basically a huge storm in a teacup that blew over in like a week? |
| 00:57.44 | DerJamster | EdwardElric: not able to mount the drives, not starting the network interfaces.. |
| 00:57.55 | EdwardElric | the strange thing is, ive done it here on a local machine :-/ |
| 00:57.58 | DerJamster | mount a rescue system and check the systems logs. |
| 00:58.01 | Shadowcat | PerfDave: I don't see any other distros hitting news.com |
| 00:58.02 | DerJamster | Different hardware. |
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| 00:58.06 | EdwardElric | yea |
| 00:58.09 | EdwardElric | thats true |
| 00:58.11 | PerfDave | Shadowcat: I don't see Debian hitting news.com :) |
| 00:58.26 | blondie | I remember the time I installed debian on a remote machine. now that was a PITA |
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| 00:58.47 | blondie | the dhcp server required some weird client config and refused to let me set the address staticly :( |
| 00:59.18 | EdwardElric | being that this box is gonna be a web server...i thought it would be a good idea to install 2.6 |
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| 00:59.36 | blondie | well maybe |
| 00:59.40 | blondie | but you know the saying |
| 00:59.45 | blondie | if it aint broke :P |
| 00:59.56 | EdwardElric | haha |
| 01:00.03 | CrazednDazed | Can I get the 'mozilla activeX plugin' for firefox? |
| 01:00.05 | EdwardElric | and i just got the server too lol |
| 01:00.11 | cureless | EdwardElric: so basically you installed a kernel, rebooted... but didn't really get the machine back up, right? |
| 01:00.17 | antgel | abrotman: azeem: thanks, i'm going to raise a bug - have a good weekend |
| 01:00.19 | PerfDave | CrazednDazed: Is it likely to work on a non-Windows system? |
| 01:00.44 | CrazednDazed | PerfDave: Sure, and where can I try it out? I have some videos that require it |
| 01:00.49 | CrazednDazed | using debian. |
| 01:00.58 | PerfDave | CrazednDazed: ActiveX is a Windows thing, isn't it? |
| 01:01.06 | cureless | CrazednDazed: what do you mean by "Sure"? |
| 01:01.33 | CrazednDazed | cureless: He asked is it likely to work on a non-windows system, like, is taht my question, and I said 'sure' |
| 01:01.37 | CrazednDazed | PerfDave: I think for the most part |
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| 01:01.59 | cureless | CrazednDazed: the question is, do you know the plugin works on non-windows systems? |
| 01:02.02 | Gnurdux | CrazednDazed, i highly doubt it will work on linux |
| 01:02.15 | CrazednDazed | cureless: I'm trying to find it |
| 01:02.18 | Gnurdux | activex uses "proprietary microsoft technology" |
| 01:02.19 | PerfDave | CrazednDazed: It isn't listed on http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html but is on http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/windows.html |
| 01:02.23 | CrazednDazed | Gnurdux: Damn, that's what I thought |
| 01:02.25 | cureless | CrazednDazed: hence you don't know. |
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| 01:02.59 | CrazednDazed | so basically, it won't work on linux? |
| 01:03.03 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 01:03.10 | CrazednDazed | damn. |
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| 01:03.36 | PerfDave | People will go putting stuff on the web in proprietary formats like ActiveX and Flash... |
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| 01:04.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: it was great :) |
| 01:04.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 01:04.12 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
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| 01:05.31 | EdwardElric | cureless exactly |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:06.08 | PerfDave | That reminds me, I should sort out a way to script conversion of video from my camera's AVI to Theora |
| 01:06.21 | cureless | EdwardElric: well, you would need to be close to the machine to know what happened. You can try to ping and see if something is up, but that might not get you enough info. You might need a remote console and or power cycle. |
| 01:06.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: she was great ;) |
| 01:07.06 | EdwardElric | ive been pinging away at it since before i said anything...no remote console or kvm access :-/ |
| 01:07.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: wrong channel |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | get in the other channel! |
| 01:07.25 | tarzeau | abrotman: she's a unix guru! |
| 01:08.54 | cureless | abrotman: are you letting tarzeau out of the reservation again? |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | no! |
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| 01:12.04 | is_null | hello everybody, what is debian alternative for env-update please ? |
| 01:12.07 | twobitsprite | I haven't been on my box to update it in about a month, and now it seems all broken when I try to... |
| 01:12.23 | twobitsprite | bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; |
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| 01:12.49 | cureless | is_null: what is env-update? |
| 01:13.43 | is_null | cureless: updating env settings |
| 01:13.47 | is_null | cureless: http://gentoo-wiki.com/MAN_env-update |
| 01:14.19 | is_null | i keep getting segfaults on grub shell and i don't understand the problem |
| 01:14.28 | twobitsprite | nevermind... works now, sorry |
| 01:14.35 | cureless | is_null: and how is taht related to env-update? |
| 01:15.17 | is_null | cureless: i don't know what it is related to anyway, just trying things hoping to fix this crazy error |
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| 01:15.35 | cureless | is_null: ok, so, what is the error exactly? |
| 01:16.00 | MetaPhaze | cureless is there a script to update the environmental variables in debian? |
| 01:16.07 | is_null | segfault when i type : kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.19.1 root=/dev/hda3 |
| 01:16.29 | MetaPhaze | in gentoo we use env-update after a chroot... what would be the equivilant debian command? |
| 01:16.37 | cureless | MetaPhaze: I'm not aware of one. |
| 01:16.49 | twobitsprite | ok, new problem... I don't seem to have gvim installed, but gvim says it has no install candite, and that I should explicitly choose one, but none of them seem to be gvim... they're like "vim-python" and such |
| 01:16.58 | blondie | gentoo-- |
| 01:17.07 | azeem | twobitsprite: try vim-gtk |
| 01:17.11 | itchi | twobitsprite: Do an apt-cache search |
| 01:17.14 | azeem | or vim-gnome |
| 01:17.14 | MetaPhaze | heh.. using gentoo to recover debian |
| 01:17.20 | blondie | disgusting! |
| 01:17.27 | MetaPhaze | opposite |
| 01:17.29 | twobitsprite | azeem: ahh, thanks :) |
| 01:17.31 | cureless | MetaPhaze: what's crashing gentoo or debian? |
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| 01:17.35 | MetaPhaze | debian |
| 01:17.41 | dhuv | hello all |
| 01:17.45 | MetaPhaze | debians grub is segfaulting |
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| 01:17.53 | dhuv | I have heard that etch is now frozen |
| 01:18.00 | CrazednDazed | Is there an alternative to skype for linux? |
| 01:18.01 | cureless | MetaPhaze: what kind of debian install is it? What grub are you running? where is the boot partition? |
| 01:18.05 | blondie | dhuv: well it is the winter! |
| 01:18.08 | is_null | CrazednDazed: jabbin |
| 01:18.11 | dhuv | that means that there are no new packages for that right |
| 01:18.17 | CrazednDazed | thanks is_null |
| 01:18.19 | cureless | CrazednDazed: skype works (kind of) you can use ekiga or amsn or kopete |
| 01:18.20 | is_null | CrazednDazed: if talking about voice im |
| 01:18.23 | MetaPhaze | cureless, /dev/hda1 is /boot /dev/hda3 is root |
| 01:18.33 | dhuv | blondie: not in the southern hemisphere |
| 01:18.36 | CrazednDazed | well, like using a microphone and making a call to a land line |
| 01:18.41 | CrazednDazed | that's what I want to do. |
| 01:18.42 | cureless | MetaPhaze: what debian are you running, what's the version of grub? any special changes? |
| 01:18.43 | MetaPhaze | CrazednDazed, Skype works great over dsl |
| 01:18.47 | blondie | !frozen |
| 01:18.47 | dpkg | frozen is, like, the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 01:18.50 | is_null | cureless: it's current testing |
| 01:18.56 | blondie | dhuv: well you have an american hostmask |
| 01:19.04 | MetaPhaze | is_null, what version of debian are you running... cureless i don't run debian only gentoo here |
| 01:19.08 | CrazednDazed | MetaPhaze: When I use skype, it always hangs up at the answering machine |
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| 01:19.20 | CrazednDazed | couldn't leave any messages, but that's okayt, I guess. |
| 01:19.31 | cureless | CrazednDazed: skype works for linux. ekiga has a similar offer. Otherwise multiple companies provide voip termination (and you can use any normal voip program) |
| 01:19.48 | dhuv | blondie: the internet is not supposed to have boundries |
| 01:19.56 | cureless | MetaPhaze: is_null hold on, who is having the problem? |
| 01:19.58 | blondie | dhuv: tell that to the chinese :S |
| 01:20.05 | MetaPhaze | is_null, i am helping over ssh |
| 01:20.11 | MetaPhaze | cureless, ^^^ |
| 01:20.14 | dhuv | blondie: lol |
| 01:20.26 | blondie | dhuv: but anyway yes etch is frozen |
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| 01:20.37 | cureless | is_null: ok, so, how did you install debian? did it ever boot correctly? |
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| 01:20.43 | CrazednDazed | cureless: Do you know if any are command line only? |
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| 01:20.55 | cureless | CrazednDazed: command line what? voip program? |
| 01:20.56 | is_null | cureless: less, untill i changed the drive from hdb to hda |
| 01:21.00 | is_null | *yes |
| 01:21.02 | CrazednDazed | yes, voip program. |
| 01:21.08 | dhuv | blondie: good: I wanted to install it on a computer but did not want to deal with new packages all the time |
| 01:21.23 | cureless | is_null: you changed the drive? you might need to run grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:21.27 | MetaPhaze | cureless, it booted... we are trying to reinstall grub |
| 01:21.31 | is_null | cureless: it reports no error |
| 01:21.38 | MetaPhaze | cureless, we've tried that... no error no boot |
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| 01:21.46 | cureless | is_null: did it boot or did it crash? what's the error now? |
| 01:21.57 | MetaPhaze | cureless, i'm trying to install grub through the grub command line and getting segfaults |
| 01:21.57 | is_null | cureless: it just keeps loading ... |
| 01:22.20 | cureless | is_null: what are you booted into and how did you get there? |
| 01:22.27 | MetaPhaze | cureless, gentoo live cd |
| 01:22.37 | is_null | cureless: chroot from gentoo livecd minimal 2006 |
| 01:22.43 | is_null | *2006.1 |
| 01:22.53 | blondie | huh |
| 01:22.59 | blondie | are is_null and MetaPhaze the same person? |
| 01:23.04 | MetaPhaze | no |
| 01:23.19 | is_null | i wouldn't type fast enought that's for sure :) |
| 01:23.21 | cureless | blondie: they are here for the same problem, is_null is trying to recover debian with a gentoo live cd |
| 01:23.30 | MetaPhaze | and i'm helping |
| 01:23.35 | MetaPhaze | as i know more about linux |
| 01:23.37 | EdwardElric | For some SATA disk controllers, the device assigned to a drive and its partitions may change from /dev/hdX to /dev/sdX. If this happens, you will have to modify your /etc/fstab and bootloader configuration accordingly. Unless these changes are made correctly, your system may not boot correctly. |
| 01:23.42 | EdwardElric | uh oh.. |
| 01:23.47 | EdwardElric | i bet thats the issue... |
| 01:23.49 | blondie | erm I see |
| 01:23.53 | cureless | is_null: first of all I would have used a debian boot cd, but, ignoring that. |
| 01:24.09 | cureless | is_null: are you ch_rooted to the debian system already? |
| 01:24.15 | MetaPhaze | yes |
| 01:24.18 | MetaPhaze | we are |
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| 01:24.29 | MetaPhaze | both of us in a screen -x |
| 01:24.34 | is_null | cureless: i only have sarge netinst |
| 01:24.35 | itchi | At least, after a delay, busybox come |
| 01:24.40 | blondie | cureless: there isnt a debian livecd is there? |
| 01:24.51 | MetaPhaze | blondie, not that i have heard of |
| 01:24.52 | blondie | and the installer ones only seem to let you install |
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| 01:25.05 | Vyrus001 | how do i add a module to debian's start up sequance ? |
| 01:25.05 | cureless | blondie: depends what you mean by that, but you don't need a livecd, just a boot cd. |
| 01:25.15 | itchi | blondie: There is an live cd |
| 01:25.19 | blondie | cureless: boot CDs ten |
| 01:25.20 | cureless | Vyrus001: /etc/modules |
| 01:25.21 | is_null | anyway, the purpose of this IDE change is to be able to get the burner to work |
| 01:25.21 | blondie | *then |
| 01:25.26 | MetaPhaze | cureless, haven't seen a boot cd either... just install cd's |
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| 01:25.28 | is_null | so i can't burn a debian live cd |
| 01:25.29 | blondie | itchi: not an official one |
| 01:25.41 | itchi | blondie: Like you say |
| 01:25.43 | MetaPhaze | we have no burner yet |
| 01:25.55 | MetaPhaze | we need this install to use the burner |
| 01:26.03 | cureless | is_null: ok, back to the ch_root. you can run grub right? and when you do this, and try to set a kernel it's crashing? |
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| 01:26.10 | MetaPhaze | yes |
| 01:26.12 | MetaPhaze | segfault |
| 01:26.25 | MetaPhaze | which is funny for a binary distro |
| 01:26.30 | cureless | is_null: are you running grub-install or just grub (to get a command line) |
| 01:26.35 | MetaPhaze | grub |
| 01:26.48 | MetaPhaze | actually grub --no-floppy |
| 01:26.51 | cureless | is_null / MetaPhaze : (I don't know who I should be speaking to) |
| 01:26.56 | MetaPhaze | cureless, me |
| 01:26.58 | cureless | MetaPhaze: get out of the chroot |
| 01:27.11 | MetaPhaze | cureless, ok |
| 01:27.27 | MetaPhaze | cureless, sorry s/ok/done |
| 01:27.43 | cureless | MetaPhaze: mount (bind) /proc /dev and /sysfs (to be on the safe side) |
| 01:27.54 | MetaPhaze | cureless, they are |
| 01:27.56 | cureless | on the chrooted partition |
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| 01:28.07 | MetaPhaze | cureless, have to do that to chroot |
| 01:28.21 | cureless | not really. |
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| 01:28.30 | cureless | only need it in certain circumstances. |
| 01:28.31 | MetaPhaze | cureless, well no but to do what we need yes you do |
| 01:28.53 | cureless | MetaPhaze: what system is this running in? |
| 01:28.55 | rhican | where does debian store apches httpd.conf |
| 01:29.05 | blondie | rhican: /etc/apache |
| 01:29.06 | MetaPhaze | cureless, that's a question for is_null |
| 01:29.08 | cureless | rhican: /etc/apacheX/ |
| 01:29.21 | blondie | quite obvious imo |
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| 01:29.55 | cureless | rhican: there's a set of directories there normally used for complex installs, see sites-xxxxx/ |
| 01:30.00 | MetaPhaze | cureless, is_null is in france i am in USA so i have no access besides ssh |
| 01:30.15 | MetaPhaze | is_null, what system is this running on? |
| 01:30.16 | cureless | is_null: what type of machine is it? |
| 01:30.18 | rhican | k tnx |
| 01:30.42 | is_null | cureless: MetaPhaze i386 |
| 01:31.03 | cureless | is_null: what kernel is the gentoo boot cd? |
| 01:31.25 | MetaPhaze | 2.6.17-gentoo-r7 |
| 01:31.34 | pythonic | cureless: linux :-) |
| 01:31.42 | cureless | pythonic: heh |
| 01:31.57 | MetaPhaze | cureless, 2.6.17-gentoo-r7 |
| 01:32.03 | cureless | is_null: where does it crash when you try to boot? |
| 01:32.12 | cureless | MetaPhaze: when does it crash when you run grub? |
| 01:32.25 | twobitsprite | is there a way to get firefox2.0 on debian from apt? |
| 01:32.35 | dooglus | is there some way I can get apt-get not to keep copies of everything it downloads in the cache/apt/archives dir? |
| 01:32.37 | twobitsprite | (I've already tried asking dpkg) |
| 01:32.57 | Vyrus001 | cureless that worked btw... thanx |
| 01:32.58 | itchi | twobitsprite: apt-cache search foo; aptitude install foo |
| 01:32.59 | dooglus | twobitsprite: it's called iceweasel nowadays |
| 01:33.06 | MetaPhaze | cureless, when i run grub i do the following: grub --no-floppy; root (hd0,0) ; kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 <hit enter> segmentation fault |
| 01:33.26 | twobitsprite | dooglus: ohh, iceweasel is ready? last I checked it wasn't quite in stable mode |
| 01:33.30 | MetaPhaze | note every ; is an enter |
| 01:33.39 | itchi | (with the aptitude update between :-)) |
| 01:33.41 | twobitsprite | itchi: I did that, I don't see anything about firefox 2.0 |
| 01:33.48 | dooglus | twobitsprite: I never tried running stable, sorry |
| 01:33.55 | cureless | MetaPhaze: that seg fault is strange. Try to do just root then setup(hd0) |
| 01:34.05 | itchi | twobitsprite: Then you have not, maybe tell us which release you have |
| 01:34.28 | dooglus | twobitsprite: but stable was released before firefox 2.0... so I doubt if firefox 2.0 is in stable? |
| 01:34.44 | MetaPhaze | cureless, Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 01:34.44 | MetaPhaze | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.44 | MetaPhaze | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.44 | MetaPhaze | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.44 | MetaPhaze | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.45 | blondie | it's not in stable |
| 01:34.49 | blondie | it's not in testing either |
| 01:34.53 | twobitsprite | dooglus: er... not debian stable... I meant, I thought seamonkey was still beta, or something |
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| 01:35.06 | cureless | MetaPhaze: ok, try to reboot now |
| 01:35.09 | MetaPhaze | sorry forgot to take the special enter chars out |
| 01:35.11 | dooglus | twobitsprite: seamonkey is different than iceweasel. |
| 01:35.27 | dooglus | twobitsprite: iceweasel is the 'new name for firefox in debian' (due to legal reasons) |
| 01:35.30 | twobitsprite | dooglus: er... I meant iceweasle, sorry :P |
| 01:35.43 | cureless | twobitsprite: iceweasel is as beta as firefox |
| 01:36.01 | cureless | (not gnu iceweasel) |
| 01:36.26 | mzli | dooglus: exactly, it's due to copyright reason. firefox is the brand of mozzila |
| 01:36.34 | tarzeau | i want to be a firefox too, http://pics.obra.se/newfirefox.jpg |
| 01:36.41 | twobitsprite | yeah, I think I'm running etch, and I don't see iceweasel (again, I haven't been on my linux box in months, so I'm very behind...) |
| 01:36.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: i bet you think all turks are like http://www.ikissyou.org/ |
| 01:36.58 | DerJamster | twobitsprite: It's in Sid |
| 01:37.04 | is_null | MetaPhaze, cureless seems like it's still not working |
| 01:37.07 | pythonic | hi! anyone used selinux in etch? |
| 01:37.13 | cureless | is_null: what error are you getting? |
| 01:37.14 | is_null | s/not working/loading ... |
| 01:37.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: he's not a turk |
| 01:37.18 | tarzeau | pythonic: probably some paranoid people |
| 01:37.22 | MetaPhaze | is_null, what is it doing? |
| 01:37.26 | cureless | is_null: you should get a root error, but not a crash now |
| 01:37.35 | is_null | cureless, MetaPhaze it's loading ... please wait :D |
| 01:37.41 | pythonic | i'm trying to get it to work (i'm paranoid :-) |
| 01:37.46 | MetaPhaze | is_null, just sitting there? |
| 01:37.48 | twobitsprite | DerJamster: is Sid forever unstable? |
| 01:38.01 | is_null | exatcly MetaPhaze |
| 01:38.07 | cureless | is_null: once you have grub restored you can use that to select your kernel and root and you should then be able to fix things |
| 01:38.09 | cureless | twobitsprite: yes |
| 01:38.10 | tarzeau | twobitsprite: yes |
| 01:38.11 | twobitsprite | DerJamster: I remember sid being the unstable version at least a year ago... |
| 01:38.12 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 01:38.12 | MetaPhaze | sorry everyone but STUPID debian |
| 01:38.16 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 01:38.16 | dpkg | somebody said sid faq was http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 01:38.26 | cureless | MetaPhaze: ? |
| 01:38.26 | MetaPhaze | is_null, i'll set up gentoo for you in less than 2 hours |
| 01:39.05 | blondie | MetaPhaze: no |
| 01:39.05 | virus | what are the "vserver" kernel images good for? |
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| 01:39.16 | PerfDave | MetaPhaze: Not a Stage 1 install, I assume. |
| 01:39.17 | is_null | ok thank you all, sorry we couldn't fix this ... thank you very much for your time anyway :) |
| 01:39.23 | blondie | MetaPhaze: you'll spend 2 hours manually installing the first few parts, and then 2 weeks compiling |
| 01:39.24 | sanmarcos | what router do you recommend (wireless and wired) for the home, under $100 |
| 01:39.27 | itchi | tarzeau: I'm sure i do lesser faults as that guy, i can not believe it |
| 01:39.28 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 01:39.28 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 01:39.37 | cureless | virus: run an apt-cache show <package-name> to find out |
| 01:39.38 | tarzeau | itchi: man it's a joke page :) |
| 01:39.40 | MetaPhaze | blondie, no, i won't :D takes me less than that |
| 01:39.44 | tarzeau | itchi: like goatse or mosh girl |
| 01:39.54 | tarzeau | itchi: or the we all love the iraq information minister |
| 01:39.58 | cureless | is_null: you fixed the problem with grub. All you need to do is tell it where your kernel and root are. |
| 01:40.04 | itchi | tarzeau: Yeah, i could not imagine someone do more faults as me haha |
| 01:40.20 | is_null | cureless: it is not fixed, it is still loading, please wait |
| 01:40.21 | MetaPhaze | blondie, i have 15 gentoo boxes here and distcc and even if i didn't it only takes about a night to have gnome kde and enlightenment all set up |
| 01:40.28 | MetaPhaze | thanks everyone for your help |
| 01:40.30 | blondie | only a night |
| 01:40.33 | cureless | is_null: what part is loading, grub or the system? |
| 01:40.43 | tarzeau | MetaPhaze: the command to go away is /part |
| 01:40.44 | MetaPhaze | cureless, grub is hanging |
| 01:40.52 | blondie | it takes about 5 minutes on debian kthxbye |
| 01:40.56 | cureless | MetaPhaze: how do you know? |
| 01:41.04 | MetaPhaze | blondie, patience is a virtue |
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| 01:41.09 | virus | cureless, the package description is... well... it's pretty brief. ;-) |
| 01:41.14 | blondie | MetaPhaze: no, that's just a waste of time. |
| 01:41.19 | blondie | and electricity |
| 01:41.21 | MetaPhaze | cureless, we have been doing this for about 2 hours now and it's the same thing over and over |
| 01:41.23 | blondie | and CPU power |
| 01:41.24 | blondie | etc. |
| 01:41.25 | is_null | yes |
| 01:41.46 | is_null | i don't understand, no error, no warning, no nothing, just : please wait ... |
| 01:42.03 | MetaPhaze | blondie, i don't want to have a distro war use what you like.. that is an opinion |
| 01:42.29 | blondie | well you're not allowed to say gentoo is better than debian in here ;P |
| 01:42.29 | MetaPhaze | is_null, the boot loader isn't getting to stage 2... it's stuck |
| 01:42.38 | MetaPhaze | blondie, i didn't |
| 01:42.40 | cureless | is_null: do you ever get a grub menu? |
| 01:42.48 | MetaPhaze | blondie, i said i would set up the gentoo box for him |
| 01:42.55 | is_null | yes cureless |
| 01:42.55 | blondie | you implied it. |
| 01:43.01 | is_null | i did |
| 01:43.04 | cureless | is_null: so you do get to the menu |
| 01:43.05 | MetaPhaze | blondie, no i didn't |
| 01:43.07 | cureless | MetaPhaze: grub is not stuck |
| 01:43.08 | tarzeau | nobody cares shit here about genitaloo |
| 01:43.14 | blondie | MetaPhaze: yes you did |
| 01:43.15 | is_null | cureless: no |
| 01:43.23 | blackelf | how to output information to dmesg from command line? |
| 01:43.28 | cureless | is_null: so you did or didn't get a menu? |
| 01:43.29 | blondie | #gentoo also sucks, for the record. |
| 01:43.33 | blackelf | like call printk or something |
| 01:43.36 | sanmarcos | what router do you recommend (wireless and wired) for the home, under $100 |
| 01:43.37 | cureless | blondie: shut up |
| 01:43.42 | is_null | cureless: yes i did, non i don't :) |
| 01:43.52 | twobitsprite | I'm gonna leave, before you all lower my IQ too |
| 01:43.58 | blondie | sanmarcos: ##networking |
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| 01:43.59 | MetaPhaze | is_null, what? |
| 01:44.05 | cureless | is_null: you did what? |
| 01:44.23 | MetaPhaze | is_null, do you see a choice of operating systems to boot? |
| 01:44.23 | is_null | i did have a menu before i changed HDD from slave to master, now i don't anymore :) |
| 01:44.29 | MetaPhaze | ok |
| 01:44.31 | MetaPhaze | so no |
| 01:44.34 | MetaPhaze | grub is hanging |
| 01:44.38 | cureless | MetaPhaze: ok, then nevermind |
| 01:44.48 | asg | blackelf: printk will work for kernel output; standard info to syslogd can be sent with logger(1) |
| 01:45.02 | MetaPhaze | is_null, do something to get me a partition of 4 gigs i'll set you up an emergency install |
| 01:45.45 | is_null | cureless: no idea of the problem before we kill this debian install ? |
| 01:45.52 | is_null | *please |
| 01:46.08 | cureless | is_null: I would try to troubleshoot it some more. |
| 01:46.13 | MetaPhaze | is_null, you could do this |
| 01:46.29 | MetaPhaze | is_null, put the drive back the way you had it... then change the boot loader config |
| 01:46.34 | cureless | is_null: but, my normal suggestion is: use the distro your friends use, 'cause they're the ones that'll be helping you most of the time |
| 01:46.35 | MetaPhaze | is_null, then reinstall grub |
| 01:46.47 | MetaPhaze | is_null, then change out the drive again |
| 01:46.56 | cureless | is_null: I'll be glad to help you get your debian back |
| 01:47.09 | abrotman | lies! |
| 01:47.25 | asg | sex and videotape |
| 01:47.32 | MetaPhaze | is_null, did you understand that? |
| 01:47.37 | is_null | yes |
| 01:47.37 | cureless | but hold the lies and videotape |
| 01:47.48 | MetaPhaze | and add a beer |
| 01:48.05 | cureless | I'll be ok with just the sex, I don't like beer anyway. |
| 01:48.12 | tarzeau | cureless: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/mirror/www.dolphinsex.org/ |
| 01:48.39 | is_null | the problem is that i just want to burn a disk, then recover a partition, then install my final distro :) so time is the criteria atm |
| 01:48.52 | cureless | is_null: what is your final distro? |
| 01:48.54 | MetaPhaze | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExIr9ZLsHZs&NR << nice i am installing this soon |
| 01:49.05 | dhuv | the mini iso for etch that is here, (11MB) will be enough for a network install right? |
| 01:49.07 | dhuv | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/gtk-miniiso/ |
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| 01:50.37 | cureless | MetaPhaze: funny, I have that same background in one of my systems (the blood cells) |
| 01:51.16 | is_null | oh, MetaPhaze it works perfect |
| 01:51.24 | MetaPhaze | cureless, cool... you can get more off my site here... (takes a while it's 100megs of backgrounds) http://www.gabegear.com/downloads/wallpapers.tar.bz2 |
| 01:51.52 | MetaPhaze | is_null, you got in? |
| 01:52.08 | is_null | cureless: i am going to try something experimental |
| 01:52.10 | is_null | MetaPhaze: fscking |
| 01:52.27 | MetaPhaze | is_null, GREAT! thanks cureless for your unbiased help |
| 01:52.52 | cureless | MetaPhaze: hey, no problem. |
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| 01:53.10 | cureless | MetaPhaze: if you don't come in with atitude and have a genuine debian question we try to help (most of the time) |
| 01:53.35 | dooglus | is there some way I can get apt-get not to keep copies of everything it downloads in the cache/apt/archives dir? |
| 01:53.38 | is_null | thanks :) |
| 01:53.44 | MetaPhaze | cureless, if you check out my site you will see that i support debian through elive... or any other distro... i sell linux computers |
| 01:54.08 | MetaPhaze | cureless, i don't care what distro it is... it's all linux |
| 01:54.28 | is_null | MetaPhaze: or bsd :) |
| 01:54.38 | MetaPhaze | is_null, aye... still gnu |
| 01:54.45 | is_null | i am in |
| 01:54.51 | MetaPhaze | is_null, great |
| 01:55.19 | cureless | dooglus: there might be an automatic option, have you checked the man pages? or config options? otherwise you can use aptitude clean or apt-get clean |
| 01:55.43 | dooglus | cureless: I've had quite a good look at the man pages, but can't see anything |
| 01:56.02 | dooglus | I'd like it to automatically clean up after itself rather than having to run 'clean' manually |
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| 01:56.22 | blondie | !ati |
| 01:56.23 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:56.25 | abrotman | dooglus: you got unbanned! |
| 01:56.42 | dooglus | abrotman: I was banned? |
| 01:56.47 | cureless | lol |
| 01:56.56 | cureless | I have a mole?! |
| 01:57.01 | gravity | Ha! |
| 01:57.17 | abrotman | or not |
| 01:57.18 | blondie | abrotman: make X work at 1400x1050 for me :( |
| 01:57.55 | blackelf | where can I controll the pressure / ratio of cache -vs- buffer? cache is for disc reads and buffer for writes right? |
| 01:58.05 | dooglus | abrotman: there's someone uses the name d0uglas or similar - are you thinking of him? |
| 01:58.27 | abrotman | i guess so |
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| 01:59.39 | dooglus | blackelf: probably in /proc/sys/vm/? |
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| 02:00.02 | abrotman | asg: nah .. i just ate |
| 02:02.38 | blackelf | dooglus: yea? |
| 02:02.49 | cureless | blackelf: the system normally tries to adapt, do you have a very specific workload? |
| 02:03.00 | blondie | oh! I rebooted and I have nice 1400x1050 resolution :D |
| 02:03.33 | blackelf | cureless: yeah, I end with 1000 mb cache and 100 mb buffer so 10/1 I want to have more like 8/3 |
| 02:03.57 | blackelf | cureless: any idea which options controll that behaviour? |
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| 02:04.37 | cureless | blackelf: did you read somewhere that you needed to change this? |
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| 02:05.28 | blackelf | cureless: I want to play around, are you going to help or not |
| 02:05.44 | cureless | blackelf: sysctl -a | grep vm will give you a good start |
| 02:05.58 | cureless | blackelf: change stuff with sysctl or via proc if you need |
| 02:06.15 | cureless | blackelf: but unless you know what you are doing you're not going to imporve performance |
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| 02:20.12 | vyrus001 | how do i find out what device node my tv tuner card is on ? |
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| 02:20.32 | asg | vyrus001: dmesg(80 |
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| 02:20.42 | asg | s/0/)/ |
| 02:21.39 | vyrus001 | asg what am i looking for in dmsg ? |
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| 02:22.13 | asg | vyrus001: things relevant to your tuner card. lspci -v may also be helpful in isolating specifics (presuming it's a PCI card) |
| 02:23.12 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:23.16 | vyrus001 | asg yea its a pci card but i get little to no info from lspci... im trying to get a tv tuner card runnin with myth |
| 02:23.27 | asg | abrotman: danke |
| 02:23.43 | abrotman | update-pciids |
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| 02:30.20 | Averell | hi, i have the following problem. my provider disconnects me every 24h, then pppd redials automatically, and my NAT breaks, meaning internet only works on the connecting router. if i do "poff" in the shell though, it redials and NAT starts working again. how can i fix that? |
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| 02:31.17 | PerfDave | Averell: How is your NAT set up? |
| 02:31.42 | Averell | iptables, i made the firewall setup with kmyfirewall. |
| 02:32.18 | PerfDave | Averell: I mean, when are the firewall rules loaded? |
| 02:32.43 | Averell | how do i check? it starts working if i disconnect with poff manually on redial. |
| 02:34.14 | Averell | that's not in there, only eth0,1 and lo. |
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| 02:35.01 | Averell | but i mean, why should the firewall rules change on redial in only one case? |
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| 02:37.25 | kombi | how do you update your system on debiam |
| 02:37.31 | Averell | with apt |
| 02:37.38 | asg | kombi: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 02:37.40 | Averell | apt-get update, apt-get (dist-)upgrade |
| 02:37.40 | abrotman | !grounding |
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| 02:37.41 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 02:38.13 | blackelf | how to show diff between my current /etc/foo and the version of that file from debian (from apt-get fresh install) |
| 02:39.09 | blackelf | anyuone |
| 02:39.47 | abrotman | diff |
| 02:40.52 | blackelf | abrotman: no shit! |
| 02:41.00 | abrotman | you asked ... |
| 02:41.02 | blackelf | *how* to use diff to compare thoes versions |
| 02:41.11 | asg | blackelf: diff <file1> <file2> |
| 02:41.12 | blackelf | other then reinstalling and then doing diff which is silly |
| 02:41.12 | abrotman | get yours .. and the original |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | get the package.. manually unpack it |
| 02:41.21 | blackelf | asg: omfg! captain obvious to the rescue |
| 02:41.29 | asg | blackelf: /msg dpkg source |
| 02:41.31 | blackelf | I ment how to get the orginal file |
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| 02:41.58 | blackelf | ok let me put this other way, how to extract /etc/foo from packet foo, using apt-get prefferably |
| 02:42.03 | dondelelcaro | blackelf: when it's installed it'll give you an opportunity to see the diff. If you've already installed, a copy is typically installed as foo.dpkg-dist |
| 02:42.15 | dondelelcaro | blackelf: you can extract it using dpkg-deb |
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| 02:42.36 | dondelelcaro | (assuming that it's a conffile that is shipped as opposed to one that is generated on the fly) |
| 02:42.44 | blackelf | dondelelcaro: I added a bit of usefull IMHO comments to laptop-mode.conf and I want to commit it; SHould I report it as a bug "request" and attach .diff? |
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| 02:43.39 | dondelelcaro | blackelf: you should get the source package itself and modify it there, then send a message to the bts with a wishilst bug report and the output from interdiff (or debdiff) after making your changes and incrementing the changelog. |
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| 02:44.40 | blackelf | ok |
| 02:44.59 | blackelf | so for a commit I will get a virgin right? |
| 02:45.04 | blackelf | or is it only for muslims |
| 02:45.34 | dondelelcaro | eh? you're not going to be able to commit anything; that's the maintainers job. |
| 02:45.43 | blackelf | yeah |
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| 02:46.14 | dondelelcaro | but providing the output of an interdiff after making the changes to the package makes it much more likely that your changes will actually be accepted as apposed to your bug being ignored. |
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| 02:51.05 | sandman | Setting up update-manager (0.42.2ubuntu22-7) ... |
| 02:51.11 | sandman | Ubuntu in Debian Testing? |
| 02:51.18 | asg | sandman: no, try #ubuntu |
| 02:52.02 | sandman | It's in the Debian archives. |
| 02:52.12 | asg | sandman: no, ubuntu.org ; #ubuntu |
| 02:52.19 | dondelelcaro | sandman: yes, sometimes maintainers upload versions which contain ubuntu |
| 02:52.48 | abrotman | for which they should be courtmartialed! |
| 02:53.06 | dondelelcaro | sandman: update-manager iirc was a cannonical project, which is why it has that funky upstream version |
| 02:53.06 | sandman | asg: Actually, no. Debian Testing ; #debian |
| 02:53.23 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Thank you. |
| 02:53.36 | asg | sandman: sometimes you've gotta fire from the hip in here; apologies |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | is he actually having a problem ? :) |
| 02:54.17 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 02:54.17 | asg | abrotman: no, just asking a question |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | you can't prove it! |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | i was .. busy! |
| 02:54.33 | asg | abrotman: the '?' proves it |
| 02:55.03 | abrotman | !!! |
| 02:55.04 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 02:55.08 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 02:55.08 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 02:55.38 | gravity | Whoa... gweled got music |
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| 02:57.03 | sandman | localhost kernel: Bad page state in process 'ksoftirqd/0' |
| 02:57.11 | sandman | Anyone familiar with these? I'm getting loads and loads of these. |
| 02:57.24 | sandman | I have to hit C-l about once every 3 seconds so I can even talk in here |
| 02:57.46 | asg | sandman: /msg dpkg klogd (to stop having to hit CTRL+L) |
| 02:57.51 | sandman | System Load is at 38%, it seems that when load goes up, the errors go up. |
| 02:58.17 | sandman | Well, I was more trying to find the root of the problem, rather than just avoid being told about it. |
| 02:58.31 | sandman | Bad page state? Paging... that has to do with the swap file, right? |
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| 03:02.07 | sandman | So firefox is non-free? |
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| 03:02.57 | sandman | Well it looks like things have gone rather silent. |
| 03:03.15 | asg | sandman: yes, install iceweasel |
| 03:03.22 | sandman | asg: Well what happened to it |
| 03:03.40 | sandman | Did mozilla foundation just decide to be a bag of dicks? Because that's what it looks like |
| 03:03.50 | asg | sandman: something to do with the non-freeness of artwork and a requirement to verify all updates with moz. |
| 03:03.57 | sandman | And I'm sorry, I don't usually use that sort of language. But I was actually starting to develop some faith in them... how disappointing. |
| 03:03.58 | abrotman | !iceweasel |
| 03:03.58 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
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| 03:13.20 | usr_rob | One reason to use ftp command line... I've qued up 40g about 800 dirs, now gftp crashed :P |
| 03:13.48 | amphi | heh |
| 03:19.46 | pythonic | anyone used kerberos? |
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| 03:20.10 | amphi | !anyone use kerberos |
| 03:20.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses kerberos, not even the people who use it. |
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| 03:20.43 | pythonic | !anyone use debian? |
| 03:20.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:21.42 | pythonic | dpkg wrote the truth when dpkg wrote "bots are always liars" |
| 03:21.42 | dpkg | that's too long, pythonic |
| 03:22.52 | amphi | heh |
| 03:23.12 | amphi | !qotd0 |
| 03:23.12 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
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| 03:27.20 | nn-main | I have a sharp yo-p20II orginaser that sinks via serial port. What proram / driver suportes this? |
| 03:30.09 | pythonic | !are we there yet? |
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| 03:31.32 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:31.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:32.11 | asg | abrotman: how many joints in a lid? |
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| 03:32.29 | abrotman | lid for what ? |
| 03:32.38 | asg | abrotman: nevermind |
| 03:33.18 | abrotman | no! |
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| 03:33.44 | asg | abrotman: you were supposed to answer '2' |
| 03:34.00 | asg | abrotman: to which I would have responded 2? |
| 03:34.09 | abrotman | one for me . one for you! |
| 03:34.15 | asg | abrotman: and you would have countered with: I roll big joints |
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| 03:39.27 | rahul | why would you put your joints in a lid? |
| 03:39.47 | rahul | wouldn't it make more sense inside the box? |
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| 03:39.56 | rahul | amateurs |
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| 03:40.01 | abrotman | what is it with you and boxes? |
| 03:40.11 | rahul | me and boxes? |
| 03:40.12 | asg | abrotman: he likes to compartmentalize |
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| 03:40.37 | rahul | pfft. |
| 03:42.02 | abrotman | seepage |
| 03:42.21 | asg | abrotman: ask Dave2 about it |
| 03:42.28 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:42.52 | rahul | heh |
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| 03:43.02 | asg | yet the Tetley's remains the same |
| 03:43.08 | rahul | heh |
| 03:43.24 | rahul | and the tea out of the machine still doesn't taste like tea |
| 03:44.18 | asg | rahul: almost but not quite entirely unlike tea. |
| 03:44.33 | rahul | yep |
| 03:44.43 | rahul | definitely not Tetley's |
| 03:45.16 | rahul | and we can't take the ship offline to apply the computing power needed to make a proper cup of tea |
| 03:45.34 | asg | 'tis a shame really |
| 03:45.48 | alexcamilo | Hello, i have x-window-manager with evilwm installed. The screen powers down after a short period of inactivity. how can i disable this? (what file do i find?) |
| 03:45.59 | alexcamilo | imeen x window system |
| 03:46.02 | alexcamilo | sorry, sleepy |
| 03:46.24 | asg | alexcamilo: man xset (look for dpms settings) |
| 03:46.33 | alexcamilo | ah, thanx |
| 03:46.34 | Coweater | !dpms |
| 03:46.34 | dpkg | hmm... dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 03:47.55 | alexcamilo | so if i set dmps to "off" then the display wint shut off? |
| 03:48.01 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 03:48.06 | alexcamilo | ah, thanx |
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| 03:50.41 | teledyn | alexcamilo: if you have an lcd, you might want to keep it on, as the backlights have a finite lifetime |
| 03:51.01 | alexcamilo | whell its a kiosk displaying slideshows |
| 03:52.05 | alexcamilo | i could google around a bit and have it shut off when noone is in the building. write a script or something.... hmm ::thinks:: |
| 03:53.32 | dan2 | asg, abrotman: my favorite peoples! |
| 03:53.40 | asg | hiya |
| 03:53.47 | abrotman | i'm a peoples! |
| 03:54.21 | dan2 | asg, abrotman: I need some expert advice on purchasing cases, power supplies, and sata hard disks |
| 03:54.30 | teledyn | alexcamilo: maybe a cron script |
| 03:54.32 | dan2 | I've had issues in the past where my cpu has burned out |
| 03:54.41 | dan2 | because of heat |
| 03:54.42 | dan2 | and the case sucked |
| 03:54.54 | abrotman | #hardware :) |
| 03:54.59 | alexcamilo | cool |
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| 03:56.04 | teledyn | alexcamilo: you could also maybe use xlockmore in a script instead of xset - i think it has a blank option, then kill it via cron in the morning |
| 03:56.24 | alexcamilo | ooo. cool |
| 03:56.59 | alexcamilo | i wish i could man this stuff but my sister stole the powercable to the com that i am working on. :-( |
| 03:57.03 | teledyn | only i don't see xlockmore in etch... |
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| 03:57.50 | alexcamilo | i could always compile or something |
| 03:58.05 | abrotman | most use gnome-screensaver or similar now |
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| 04:01.52 | kgoetz | is there a one cd install of debian? (meaning base+gnome), or are multiple cds still required? |
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| 04:03.08 | btiffin | kgoetz: I ran out of blank cd's but look at live.debian.net, not tested any of the .iso's |
| 04:03.11 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: the first CD has base+gnome, but you can get as many CDs as you want |
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| 04:03.37 | dondelelcaro | well, base and as many parts of gnome as fit, anyway. |
| 04:03.52 | abrotman | are they going to release the live CDs when etch releases ? |
| 04:03.54 | kgoetz | btiffin: ta. |
| 04:04.16 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'm after an alternative to ubuntu one cd install, so if i can 1 cd debian, i'm happy :) |
| 04:04.35 | abrotman | i guess it would make sense to do that for rescue disk/tools reasons |
| 04:05.15 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: if they're finished, yes. |
| 04:05.29 | dondelelcaro | they definetly won't hold the release for them |
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| 04:05.39 | abrotman | i would nope not :) |
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| 04:06.59 | btiffin | not tested, but the live debian iso's include desktop, gnome, kde, minimal, standard and xfce. Can't review or rate... |
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| 04:09.53 | dondelelcaro | eh, there's no way to even install all of the packages that are on the 14 cds; there will be a specific subset which are actually installed. |
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| 04:18.04 | kgoetz | does debian (by default) listen on any external (network facing) ports? |
| 04:18.58 | CrazednDazed | I have a microphone question. I was messing around with alsamixer and when I turned the mic +20 db on and added a line to alsa-base, I got the microphone to work (can hear it through the speakers). However, I can't seem to get any software to work with it (sound-recorder, audacity, skype)... any points in a good directioN? |
| 04:19.10 | liable | depends what you installed, but generally, yes.. netstat -plunt |
| 04:19.51 | kgoetz | liable: thanks. |
| 04:20.01 | dondelelcaro | kgoetz: packages in Debian do, but none of the mandatory packages do. |
| 04:20.12 | dondelelcaro | ("default" really has no meaning in Debian) |
| 04:20.57 | kgoetz | dondelelcaro: i was thinking about 'debian install with 'desktop' selected during install' |
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| 04:24.47 | ujwal | hi all i'm trying to run 2 moniter in my single cpu by using VGA card.and i need some help......... |
| 04:25.34 | ujwal | i'm using nepalinux a debian based linux |
| 04:26.03 | unlink | is there some *super* lazy way of making debian packages for a single use? |
| 04:26.09 | abrotman | tried #nepalinux ? |
| 04:26.14 | unlink | i.e., not writing a changelog, rules file, etc |
| 04:27.05 | ujwal | abrotman, i'm joining #nepalinux but no people there |
| 04:27.06 | teledyn | unlink: making a package with dh_make can be pretty trivial |
| 04:27.30 | abrotman | there are some people there .. it's also based on morphix |
| 04:27.45 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 04:27.45 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 04:28.53 | kgoetz | imo that should be %s/ Debian, but a distribution/ Debian. Rather a distribution/ (or similar) |
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| 04:32.45 | btiffin | ujwal: check http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Using_multiple_monitors_with_XFree86 |
| 04:32.57 | feross | Hey guys, can someone look at this -> http://pastebin.com/843571 I'm running out of space on /var and I think it's the log directory but it doesn't add up... |
| 04:33.26 | abrotman | ever heard of logrotate ? |
| 04:34.08 | ujwal | btiffin, thanks a lot |
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| 04:34.49 | btiffin | ujwal: Have fun |
| 04:34.56 | feross | abrotman: I thought that's what all of those gz were about... :\ |
| 04:34.56 | unlink | teledyn: yeah it's great. |
| 04:34.59 | unlink | thaanks. |
| 04:35.31 | ujwal | btiffin, thanks |
| 04:35.50 | abrotman | feross: note the size of syslog and mail.info |
| 04:37.08 | abrotman | feross: and mail.info.0 |
| 04:37.25 | feross | abrotman: good point I'll have to look into those.. but that only makes up 500M or so |
| 04:37.28 | abrotman | and syslog.0 |
| 04:38.28 | CrazednDazed | alright, so I ran alsaconf, and did the option where probing for unusal cards (older laptop) might be unstable, and now apt-get anything returns 'segmentation fault'. Any idea, on That one? |
| 04:39.04 | feross | hmm ok that makes more sense.. I was kind of panicing, I should have looked more closely. |
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| 04:41.57 | CrazednDazed | remove the .bin/s in /var/cache/apt, that's what'll fix it. |
| 04:42.30 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 04:42.34 | abrotman | try apt-get clean |
| 04:42.41 | feross | ok I'll look in there too thanks CrazednDazed and abrotman |
| 04:42.53 | CrazednDazed | feross: Nein, I was talkin' to myself. |
| 04:43.21 | abrotman | AFAIK .. those .bin get recreated as soon as you run apt-get update |
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| 04:43.45 | abrotman | and they really aren't that big |
| 04:43.57 | feross | abrotman: even with an apt-get clean? |
| 04:44.04 | abrotman | apt-get clean does something different |
| 04:44.20 | abrotman | apt-get clean will clean out /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 04:45.50 | dan2 | !tablet |
| 04:45.51 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: I have been messing around with alsaconf and I want to remove all the loaded modules, any idea how to do that? |
| 04:46.01 | dan2 | abrotman: I need a recommendation on a tablet |
| 04:46.50 | abrotman | modprobe -r |
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| 04:46.56 | abrotman | dan2: yellow |
| 04:47.51 | CrazednDazed | Module is in use? |
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| 04:48.20 | CrazednDazed | It's a sound card module. |
| 04:48.56 | feross | dan2: I think anything with nvidia in it should be fine. |
| 04:49.19 | dan2 | feross: I'm referring to USB tablets |
| 04:49.25 | dan2 | so I can scribble on |
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| 04:49.36 | abrotman | wacom! |
| 04:49.42 | dan2 | those are really expensive |
| 04:49.49 | feross | haha.. ohh ok.. thought you meant lappies |
| 04:50.12 | abrotman | dan2: so what .. you'll only buy one |
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| 04:50.36 | dan2 | hard to justify the cost |
| 04:51.22 | abrotman | just freaking do it |
| 04:51.28 | abrotman | or go to compusa and get the cheap version |
| 04:51.33 | dan2 | heh |
| 04:51.36 | dan2 | compusa is awful |
| 04:51.40 | abrotman | they're only like $200 for small tablets |
| 04:51.49 | gravity | You can't really call it compussr any more, can you? |
| 04:53.15 | abrotman | you can .. but people under 10 won't get the joke |
| 04:53.47 | kgoetz | heh |
| 04:53.47 | gravity | compyousser? |
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| 05:07.11 | peteweez | Can units convert to compound units (i.e. take a measure in ounces and convert it to pounds and ounces)? |
| 05:07.12 | abrotman | man page? |
| 05:07.12 | peteweez | abrotman: Yes I've RTFM...couldn't find anything about it. I wondered if you guys knew about it. |
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| 05:10.32 | CrazednDazed | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.11 | peteweez | Thanks anyway. |
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| 05:12.19 | bintut | any debian qemu volunteers on this channel? |
| 05:13.02 | grandy | hello... i have a package that has not installed correctly and whenever i use aptitutde or apt-get to install something else it tries to reconfigure itself... how can i just remove it? trying to remove the package with aptitude results in an error |
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| 05:13.15 | abrotman | CrazednDazed: tried audacity ? |
| 05:13.26 | CrazednDazed | abrotman: Yes, same thing |
| 05:13.32 | abrotman | grandy: which package ? |
| 05:13.33 | CrazednDazed | Audacity, skype, sound-recorder |
| 05:13.38 | grandy | abrotman: vmware |
| 05:13.45 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 05:14.18 | grandy | abrotman: your analysis should be made into a friendly IRC bot... :) |
| 05:14.36 | kgoetz | lol. cheeky |
| 05:14.43 | abrotman | grandy: wait .... |
| 05:14.44 | abrotman | !vmware |
| 05:14.45 | dpkg | well, vmware is Not Our Problem. If it was in debian, it would be, but since it ain't, it ain't. Ask the vendor for support. |
| 05:14.45 | grandy | abrotman: seriously, is there a way to remove it from the database of packages that apt cares about so that I can just remove its files manually? |
| 05:14.49 | abrotman | better? :) |
| 05:14.59 | grandy | slightly better |
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| 05:15.17 | orestyle9 | How to mount an external scsi device? |
| 05:15.18 | abrotman | grandy: at the top of the postinst ... put an exit 0 |
| 05:15.25 | grandy | i should not have installed it... it feels like it's taken over my system and it doesn't even work... |
| 05:15.32 | sid | heh |
| 05:15.32 | grandy | abrotman: postinst? where's that? |
| 05:15.41 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 05:15.45 | sid | grandy: What are you trying to virtualize? |
| 05:15.45 | grandy | abrotman: thanks! |
| 05:16.06 | orestyle9 | have tried mount -t /dev/sda -o /mnt/mount with nothing... |
| 05:16.17 | grandy | sid: nothing, just thought i'd install it to compare its performance with qemu ... for those times when i need to boot windows to buy stuff from itunes |
| 05:16.32 | sid | grandy: You buy stuff from itunes? |
| 05:16.35 | sid | !tell grandy about drm |
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| 05:16.53 | grandy | sid: it's really starting to make me want to delve back into piracy |
| 05:17.04 | black_13 | is there a decent yahoo messenger clone for debian |
| 05:17.06 | sid | grandy: Or just use allofmp3 or emusic. |
| 05:17.13 | sid | !tell black_13 about gaim |
| 05:17.49 | grandy | sid: i signed up for allofmp3 a few months ago but forgot to download music... good thought... i'll do that |
| 05:17.53 | sid | orestyle9: Put the output of "fdisk -l" on www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 05:18.21 | sid | grandy: allofmp3 even has a GNU/Linux client. THey let you download as ogg(vorbis), flac, mp3, aac, pretty badass imho. |
| 05:18.45 | grandy | sid: really! |
| 05:18.51 | feross | abrotman: I'm using ubuntu server lts. syslog should be rotated with the /etc/cron.daily/syslogd script but obviously something is not working... going to google it now. any ideas before I kill an hour or two searching the intranets.. |
| 05:19.00 | sid | You can preview songs before you download, allofmp3 is by far the best music store for a GNU/Linux user(someone who cares about freedom) |
| 05:19.05 | grandy | sid: do you know if the client is a debian package? |
| 05:19.08 | abrotman | feross: ask #ubuntu |
| 05:19.11 | sid | !tell feross about ubuntu |
| 05:19.25 | feross | abrotman: been there done that... |
| 05:19.30 | sid | grandy: no idea, I just download music illegally violating american copyright laws. |
| 05:19.34 | abrotman | feross: then go back |
| 05:19.36 | grandy | sid: i don't so much care about paying something for the music, but I agree that apple's DRM sucks... I would even prefer microsoft's DRM if i had to choose a DRM... |
| 05:19.51 | abrotman | feross: see .. this is #debian ... we know about Debian .. we don't know about ubuntu |
| 05:20.07 | sid | grandy: allofmp3 and emusic both don't use DRM. allofmp3 has some troubles with the WTO, but emusic is legit and drm-free. |
| 05:20.08 | kgoetz | feross: file a bug. and ask in #ubuntu ;) |
| 05:20.18 | sid | feross: #ubuntu not here. |
| 05:20.28 | feross | ok ok.. sheesh ... hehe |
| 05:20.32 | orestyle9 | sid: how do I cut and paste from putty session? |
| 05:20.39 | yos87 | Hi |
| 05:20.41 | grandy | sid: yeah, i agree... there is both american and international law support for the notion that it's legal... |
| 05:20.54 | grandy | orestyle9: right click to paste |
| 05:21.00 | orestyle9 | sid: I am showing a device but its sda1 |
| 05:21.02 | sid | !greet yos87 |
| 05:21.02 | dpkg | Tag, yos87 |
| 05:21.11 | yos87 | I have question, How to copy all debian OS from pc to another pc |
| 05:21.13 | grandy | orestyle9: and select the text to copy, it'll just magically be on the clipboard i think |
| 05:21.17 | yos87 | sid: thank you |
| 05:21.20 | sid | !tell yos87 about g4u |
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| 05:21.40 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 05:21.41 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
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| 05:21.50 | sid | yos87: If you don't like g4u, system imager is very popular I hear. |
| 05:22.02 | black_13 | sid gaim seems like hack/crap |
| 05:22.09 | abrotman | then find something better |
| 05:22.11 | gravity | heh |
| 05:22.18 | ski-worklap | is there a way to determine from the cmd line what media type is being used for eth0 (100baseT, gigabit, 10base2, etc.) ? |
| 05:22.31 | sid | black_13: It's the best you got, if you want better do it yourself. Or pay a developer to do it.(It will connect you on the Yahoo network and you can talk with all your friends etc) |
| 05:22.41 | abrotman | ethtool or mii-tool |
| 05:22.49 | black_13 | abrotman how about trip to knuckle junction |
| 05:23.02 | sid | black_13: This is free/libre software, so you have the ability to fix it, if you have the resources(money or time) |
| 05:23.09 | abrotman | black_13: if you don't like gaim .. find something better .. you were given a perfectly good program .. |
| 05:23.16 | grandy | abrotman: worked... i had to add something to .prerm too but i think it's mostly been quarantined |
| 05:23.16 | abrotman | stop being an ass |
| 05:23.22 | abrotman | ok |
| 05:23.31 | ski-worklap | htm |
| 05:23.38 | ski-worklap | Settings for eth0:\nNo data available |
| 05:23.44 | orestyle9 | grandy: when I select the text and try to paste it does nothing, I have also tried the ctrl c and v with nothing... |
| 05:24.19 | sid | orestyle9: If you want to paste, highlight text, then use your wheel on the mouse(push down hard) |
| 05:24.20 | ski-worklap | ah-ha, mii-tool works tho. thanks abrotman |
| 05:24.29 | yos87 | sid: thank you |
| 05:24.32 | grandy | orestyle9: not sure... i know how to do it but i am not running windows right now to test and figure out what i do |
| 05:24.37 | yos87 | sid: i'm downloading the iso |
| 05:25.04 | sid | yos87: abrotman's method from dpkg works also, there are several methods.(System Imager is probably the fastest) |
| 05:25.05 | Rusty1 | orestyle9: try clicking r+l buttons on selected text then same to paste |
| 05:25.31 | yos87 | sid: if i restore the image on ther pc, it will work right, unlike windows |
| 05:25.45 | orestyle9 | Heh, the pushing of the wheel worked... URL: http://rafb.net/p/eUdXTz17.html |
| 05:25.57 | sid | yos87: umm, yes if you make an image and go to restore it later, it will work. |
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| 05:26.23 | sid | orestyle9: mount /dev/sda1 /tmp; cd /tmp; ls; |
| 05:26.29 | yos87 | sid: ON ANOTHER PC, not in the same |
| 05:26.59 | sid | yos87: Well you have to keep the image somewhere. I guess you could keep it on a separate partition. |
| 05:27.32 | orestyle9 | sweet, that worked, I guess I can add to fstab to auto mount? |
| 05:27.47 | yos87 | sid: i will transfer after to usb hdd , and then restored on the other pc |
| 05:27.55 | sid | orestyle9: sure, copy the line already in fstab for /, and just make it /extra instead. and make sure it's /dev/sda1 |
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| 05:32.03 | orestyle9 | I have a software raid 5 set up. We lost power to the box and when we restarted I was getting kernel panic errors. I know there is software out there to manage the system using a UPS but it seems like if something goes wrong with that I could loose everything. I have hardware raid availability on the system but last time I lost a disk I had to rebuild the entire system (somethig about perc2 controllers) Are there any other opt |
| 05:32.03 | orestyle9 | ions or solutions to this...? |
| 05:34.12 | orestyle9 | I do have redundant power supplies on this system too... I like using software raid for the speed, but seems it is very volatile.. |
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| 05:35.21 | sid | orestyle9: Why not use raid1 instead of raid5? |
| 05:35.41 | orestyle9 | I have raid 1 for the /boot and use raid 5 for / .. |
| 05:36.01 | sid | Just raid1 everything if the system is important. |
| 05:36.17 | sid | 320 gig 8mb cache seagate hdd is $80 bucks on newegg.(5 year warranty) |
| 05:36.34 | sid | If you're going to spend several hours periodically re-building the system it would be smart for your employer to just invest in raid1 |
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| 05:37.46 | orestyle9 | I just want to make sure if system looses power I wont run into kernel panic errors. With the added sda1 device I can live with the current disk space I have... |
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| 05:38.51 | orestyle9 | the added sda1 is a RaidKing (manages the raid itself) that helps alot |
| 05:39.45 | starfishy | i am trying to determine why the file type socket to /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 becomes unavailable frequently, slowing down the system to a crawl |
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| 05:41.27 | orestyle9 | well, any recommendations on HBAs for raid 0,1,5, and possibly 10? |
| 05:41.48 | orestyle9 | other than a perc 2si controller....? |
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| 05:42.56 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, I'm assuming that the RC bugs (http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/) have to drop to a reasonable level before Etch can be released? The only thing is, I've noticed the number of bugs has gone up since the Etch freeze was announced, am I missing something? |
| 05:43.20 | h3xis | nope. |
| 05:44.05 | ArtVandalae | :\ Alright cheers |
| 05:45.35 | bokey | anyone know of good fps in debian repository ? |
| 05:45.38 | dondelelcaro | more bugs are reported all the time. |
| 05:46.10 | kgoetz | bokey: nexuiz? |
| 05:46.26 | sid | orestyle9: no idea |
| 05:46.32 | bokey | kgoetz, ahh... :P |
| 05:46.36 | bokey | kgoetz, cheers |
| 05:47.01 | kgoetz | np |
| 05:47.40 | bokey | kgoetz, how come americas army isn't there? |
| 05:47.52 | kgoetz | bokey: its not free i suspect |
| 05:48.05 | bokey | kgoetz, umm.. |
| 05:48.08 | h3xis | isnt there a fps called cube or something? |
| 05:48.16 | bokey | h3xis, yeah. |
| 05:48.19 | kgoetz | yeh, cube and cube2 |
| 05:48.21 | bokey | h3xis, cube2 now. |
| 05:48.24 | h3xis | ah |
| 05:48.39 | kgoetz | *vouch |
| 05:48.50 | bokey | kgoetz, i couldn't be bothered with cube2. :/ |
| 05:48.52 | h3xis | heard of tremulous? |
| 05:49.33 | bokey | h3xis, americas army http://techgage.com/article/top_10_free_linux_games/2 |
| 05:49.39 | h3xis | cool |
| 05:49.54 | bokey | h3xis, howzthat ? ^_^ |
| 05:50.05 | h3xis | haha nice |
| 05:50.14 | kgoetz | bokey: overkill, abuse, dooms, quakes, otehr stuff |
| 05:50.55 | bokey | kgoetz, true. |
| 05:51.38 | bokey | h3xis, check out enemy territory |
| 05:51.52 | h3xis | alright |
| 05:53.30 | orestyle9 | go check out redlightcenter.com Read it in a tech magazine... Pretty crazy... |
| 05:53.31 | bokey | ^_^ |
| 05:54.14 | orestyle9 | for windows, but might be able to run under wine... |
| 05:54.49 | bokey | orestyle9, doesn't wine hurt fps ? |
| 05:54.55 | bokey | ^_^ |
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| 05:55.25 | orestyle9 | not sure with this one.. |
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| 06:01.16 | Supaplex | will the hfs driver support hfs+ volumes? |
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| 06:08.26 | black_13 | abrotman http://gyachi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 06:09.13 | jmd | bier_, Bist du nach dem Deutschereinheitsgebot gebraut? |
| 06:09.36 | sussudio | !dachs jmd |
| 06:09.36 | dpkg | jmd: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
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| 06:15.58 | intruder | hi |
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| 06:17.26 | sid | !greet intruder |
| 06:17.26 | dpkg | Nihao, intruder |
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| 06:17.57 | intruder | im trying to deal with the PowerPlay Vs (palm-like device) that uses the serial port for datasync, the datasync software refuse to connect to com1 complainging an i/o error 13 |
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| 06:18.57 | intruder | i know its not hardware problem since it worked on my bartpe |
| 06:19.30 | intruder | so my question is, does anyone know what is that error #13 |
| 06:19.56 | aidan | doing a dpkg -l | grep foo, grep seems to chop the result so I can't read it all ... can I avoid it shortening the columns? |
| 06:20.20 | Smacs | http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=barbie |
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| 06:23.22 | Supaplex | ahh hfsplus > hfs yay. |
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| 06:25.13 | mikaella | hi guys, i just installed debian sarge with a 2.6.17 kernel, so my question is can i upgrade my kde 3.3 to 3.5? |
| 06:25.58 | Supaplex | if it's not in sarge, you can try a backport |
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| 06:27.00 | mikaella | do you mean d/l kde 3.5 from backport.org? |
| 06:27.26 | Supaplex | that's one option |
| 06:28.10 | mikaella | Supaplex, what is/are the other options? |
| 06:28.22 | buu | Clocks. |
| 06:28.43 | Supaplex | holiday cheer |
| 06:28.43 | aidan | how can I reconfigure a package? when apt-get install'ing something, it asked me if I wanted to replace the .ini, I do, but I hit enter accidently (defaulted to N) |
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| 06:29.02 | orestyle9 | are there any channels for asking questions on developing open source software? |
| 06:29.05 | Supaplex | aidan: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:29.34 | aidan | hrm, didn't ask me |
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| 06:30.05 | Supaplex | mikaella: backporting your own (not generally suggested), edit your sources.list to pull from backports (check their faqs) esp anything on 'pinning' |
| 06:30.21 | DavidProck1981 | is it true that Etch, when it is finalized that it will have xorg 7.0 ? |
| 06:30.51 | mikaella | Supaplex, i see, thanks dude ;) |
| 06:31.16 | Supaplex | DavidProck1981: it's already 7.1 atleast |
| 06:32.12 | DavidProck1981 | i know the pre-release has 7.1 , but i read something about when it is finalized it will have 7.0 |
| 06:32.50 | Supaplex | why would we roll back releases already supported in etch? |
| 06:32.57 | mikaella | do you guys got any news about when etch will be released? |
| 06:33.06 | Supaplex | mikaella: topic |
| 06:33.07 | buu | (Christmas) |
| 06:33.20 | mikaella | oh ok lool |
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| 06:33.25 | Flam | j ubuntu |
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| 06:34.04 | mikaella | haha |
| 06:34.20 | guk | How do you find out what process is using what port (TCP) |
| 06:35.15 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know what is the latest versoin of debian that has xorg 7.0.0 ? (before they went to 7.1) |
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| 06:37.01 | amphi | DavidProck1981: maybe a sarge backport, but I think that's 6.9 |
| 06:37.19 | DavidProck1981 | 6.9 would do |
| 06:37.29 | Supaplex | guk: lsof |
| 06:37.53 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean by sarge backport? |
| 06:38.14 | Supaplex | !tell DavidProck1981 -about backport |
| 06:38.18 | DavidProck1981 | like what version of sarge? |
| 06:38.19 | guk | Supaplex: thanks |
| 06:38.26 | guk | I couldn't remember there for a minute :/ |
| 06:38.33 | Supaplex | np |
| 06:41.11 | sid | movie DVDs from blockbuster, those are iso9660 right? |
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| 06:43.08 | Supaplex | ask them ;-) |
| 06:43.39 | sid | hehe |
| 06:45.11 | amphi | sid: dvds are ufs, no? |
| 06:45.13 | DavidProck1981 | any one know of a version of debian with X.Org 7.0.0 or less |
| 06:45.28 | amphi | DavidProck1981: sarge backport is 6.9 IIRC |
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| 06:46.10 | DavidProck1981 | i read the link that dpkg gave me and i dont understand it |
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| 06:49.17 | Supaplex | well then. |
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| 06:49.59 | Supaplex | cool. wireless workies and battery does to. <3 |
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| 06:51.07 | myXtie | In latest DSA for the links2 d-package, the main repository is missing the powerpc binary for sarge also the version number for the fixed binary is the same as the original so apt-get fails to update ( check versioning numbers for link2 ). Someone please tell Steve Kemp :) Cheers ... |
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| 06:52.16 | Tecnoman | hi |
| 06:52.30 | sid | !greet Tecnoman |
| 06:52.30 | dpkg | Bonjour, Tecnoman |
| 06:52.47 | Tecnoman | how can install nvidia drivers on Debian si |
| 06:52.54 | Tecnoman | sid |
| 06:53.04 | Guerin | Tecnoman: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:53.41 | sid | Tecnoman: type what Guerin said.(with / being the first char in your line) |
| 06:54.31 | Tecnoman | thank you :D |
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| 06:56.00 | alexcamilo | Can i get a pre compiled kernel for ppc that inclides the graphical boot stuff off of apt get? |
| 06:57.19 | amphi | graphical boot stuff? |
| 06:59.28 | alexcamilo | like what ubuntu uses to display their logo instead of the white on black text. i remember hearing people day that it needed to be compiled into the kernel |
| 06:59.45 | alexcamilo | say* |
| 07:01.09 | amphi | dunno - I like the messages ;) |
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| 07:02.39 | alexcamilo | i do too but random people dont like em verry much. |
| 07:03.04 | alexcamilo | some ppl at my school said they are scary |
| 07:03.08 | alexcamilo | oh whell |
| 07:03.16 | kgoetz | lol @ scary |
| 07:04.59 | aidan | apt-get -t sarge-backports install libmysqlclient14 ... I want this package to be installed from sarge-backports, but it says it's already the newest version ... |
| 07:08.13 | Firestarter- | heh http://sftp.biz/scripts/counter/image.php?site=test should show visitors isp name |
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| 07:12.09 | kgoetz | got my isp wrong :o |
| 07:13.33 | Firestarter- | kgoetz: what's you ip? |
| 07:13.47 | Firestarter- | and what does it display? |
| 07:15.34 | kgoetz | Firestarter-: my isp is Internode (internode.on.net), it displays "Asia pacific network information centre" |
| 07:16.16 | Firestarter- | ip or an ip on the same network? |
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| 07:17.17 | kgoetz | ip looks correct, but i'm not entirely sure |
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| 07:18.02 | kgoetz | about 90% confident its correcvt |
| 07:18.20 | Pappa | anyone know a way to configure how PnP assigns IRQ's to devices? |
| 07:20.15 | Tecnoman | i cant use xwidow problems with sorg any help? |
| 07:20.25 | kgoetz | Firestarter-: i'm heading out for the evening. gl with it |
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| 07:20.41 | Firestarter- | kgoetz: looked at my logs your isp must use the Asia Pacific Network Information Centre |
| 07:21.08 | Firestarter- | they must lease or use their ip range from them |
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| 07:21.27 | cahoot | Tecnoman, did yiu try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -plow? |
| 07:22.17 | Tecnoman | fglrx or nvidia? |
| 07:22.24 | aidan | can I force remove a package, without removing the dependencies? |
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| 07:22.54 | Tecnoman | cahoot, fglrx or nvidia |
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| 07:24.53 | aidan | okay, how can I forcefully overwrite a package? |
| 07:26.13 | liable | aidan: man dpkg (see the --force options) |
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| 07:28.52 | cahoot | Tecnoman, implying that your problem is with nvidia drivers? |
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| 07:30.22 | unlink | how can 66% of memory be used if you add up the %MEM's in top and you only get ~15%? |
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| 07:31.07 | cahoot | don't add wrong column |
| 07:31.21 | unlink | huh? |
| 07:31.52 | aidan | liable: I don't see any --force |
| 07:33.06 | unlink | http://unlink.ath.cx/top.txt |
| 07:33.44 | liable | aidan: look harder :P |
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| 07:35.09 | aidan | I want to force my system to use the sarge / backport version of a package? What's the easiest way to do it? |
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| 07:38.02 | amphi | aidan: it's described at backports.org IIRC |
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| 07:40.53 | efuzzyone | if i want to remove mysql from a debian box, what command should i use? `apt-get remove mysql' or mysql-server or mysql-client doesn't seems to be working |
| 07:41.26 | h3xis | hm |
| 07:41.39 | h3xis | do apt-cache search mysql and see which package you have |
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| 07:41.48 | h3xis | then remove it when you figure it out |
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| 07:42.48 | efuzzyone | got it thanks h3xis |
| 07:42.55 | aidan | man this is frustrating |
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| 07:43.32 | michael11 | I'm trying to do a dist-upgrade but it keeps stopping and giving me an error code (1) about the openssh-client and openssh-server packages |
| 07:43.47 | michael11 | and I have tried apt-get -f dist-upgrade but it has not helped |
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| 07:44.52 | wookienz | hi, if i already have a package installed, ie php, and i want to add in another option, ie "--with-GD" do i need to reddownload php and recompile or can i run another make command with the extra , or all, the paramters? noob here with make commands etc |
| 07:46.10 | aidan | wookienz: apt-get php5-gd |
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| 07:47.14 | avalon | Will a driver compiled for a 2.4 kernel work on a 2.6 kernel? I put it in the right dir and tried to modprobe it, but I'm getting a FATAL module not found. |
| 07:47.17 | Guerin | michael11: remove the ssh client and/or server packages and try again |
| 07:47.48 | liable | avalon: no, even if it does find it, i wont work |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | michael11: in other words, remove anything that's not utterly critical and is giving you problems, on the basis that you can reinstall it later |
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| 07:48.20 | avalon | Bahhh... there goes my touchscreen linux support. :'( |
| 07:48.21 | Guerin | avalon: a driver will never work for a kernel even the slightest bit different from the one it was built for |
| 07:48.27 | Guerin | avalon: rebuild the module |
| 07:48.38 | avalon | How would I go about doing that? |
| 07:48.57 | Guerin | avalon: get the module source, patch the kernel source tree, /msg dpkg kp_mantra |
| 07:49.00 | liable | samw way you did it for 2.4 |
| 07:49.10 | Guerin | but there is touchscreen support in the kernel already |
| 07:49.23 | Guerin | mm, kp mantra, not _ |
| 07:49.49 | avalon | Not for my USB there doesn't seem to be Guerin? It's hooked up via USB and VGA, but though it sees the thing, it doens't know how to identify or interact with it. |
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| 07:50.20 | Guerin | avalon: ok, well, i have no idea what retarded hardware you have |
| 07:50.46 | avalon | Aspen.. bout as retarded as it gets |
| 07:50.52 | Guerin | heh |
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| 07:52.10 | avalon | Okay... well off to researching rebuilding modules I go. Thanks Guerin |
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| 07:52.30 | wookienz | aidan, i run php4 currently, can i just add in gd supprt to the existing install? |
| 07:52.41 | aidan | wookienz: apt-get install php4-gd |
| 07:52.55 | Guerin | wookienz: apply the same principle |
| 07:53.11 | Guerin | why do people need rote-learning? |
| 07:54.13 | wookienz | Guerin, aidan, thanks. |
| 07:54.44 | liable | !be a learning barbie |
| 07:54.44 | dpkg | Aww, learning is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 07:54.52 | wookienz | Guerin, people learn in different ways, some rote, some require motive input, others purely visiual stimuli..... |
| 07:55.39 | Guerin | wookienz: i realise this. But the real barrier there was your inability to *try* before asking. |
| 07:56.36 | wookienz | well actually trying this on a linux box which i know fcuk all about is a bad way imho. |
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| 07:56.58 | Guerin | why? the worst it can do is fail |
| 07:57.12 | Guerin | unless you say `yes' without reading what it proposes to do |
| 07:57.36 | wookienz | anyway....since i have apt-get'd php4-gd, will it just work out of the box or do i need to change any ini files to make sure it uses pp4-gd versus php4 which i have before...once again i know fcuk all about linux...so your empathy is appreciated |
| 07:57.41 | liable | beer time! |
| 07:58.27 | wookienz | ok all works fine now...thanks |
| 07:58.35 | Guerin | wookienz: should Just Work. None of this is a linux issue, it's all about php. And debian. |
| 07:59.24 | wookienz | ok, i gave apache a restart before asking the question...and found the answer... cheers all |
| 07:59.45 | Guerin | :) |
| 08:03.07 | wookienz | Guerin, ok next problem!! mail server.... |
| 08:03.37 | liable | hah, good luck |
| 08:04.33 | michael11 | Guerin: What if I'm ssh'ing into the box right now and doing the dist-upgrade? |
| 08:05.15 | Guerin | michael11: just don't log out until you reinstall and test the sshd |
| 08:05.27 | michael11 | ahh... okay |
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| 08:05.51 | efuzzyone | if i have some binary package (mysql) in /usr/local/bin then does it means it was installed by compiling the source? |
| 08:05.56 | Guerin | michael11: and don't let anything kill your connection |
| 08:06.00 | efuzzyone | and not installed by apt-get |
| 08:06.05 | Guerin | efuzzyone: probably |
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| 08:06.17 | aidan | # apt-get -t sarge-backports install php5-common |
| 08:06.17 | Guerin | efuzzyone: ask whoever did it why they are so stupid |
| 08:06.18 | michael11 | Guerin: What would I do if this was a remote server and I was doing this and connection died? |
| 08:06.24 | aidan | php5-common is already the newest version. |
| 08:06.33 | Guerin | michael11: you would get the local admin to restore or console in |
| 08:06.34 | aidan | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:06.34 | aidan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:06.41 | efuzzyone | Guerin: is there any way to uninstall such package? |
| 08:06.50 | aidan | what the hell is going on ... it requires a dependency it doesn't have? |
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| 08:07.01 | Guerin | efuzzyone: find the makefile and make uninstall - otherwise, hope it's all in /usr/local |
| 08:07.25 | Guerin | aidan: this is what happens when you use non-debian repos |
| 08:07.40 | efuzzyone | Guerin: its in /usr/local |
| 08:07.41 | aidan | it's a backport saying it needs a newer backport |
| 08:08.13 | efuzzyone | Guerin: how to remove it? |
| 08:08.27 | Guerin | efuzzyone: read what I wrote again |
| 08:08.35 | Guerin | efuzzyone: step 0: find the eejit who installed it |
| 08:08.52 | Guerin | failing that, look for the makefile; failing that, manually delete what you think is relevant |
| 08:09.16 | efuzzyone | Guerin: thanks a lot |
| 08:09.18 | aidan | how do I specify what version I want to install? |
| 08:09.44 | Guerin | aidan: man aptitude |
| 08:09.46 | amphi | efuzzyone: make -n install | less is a way of seeing what it did if there's no uninstall target in the makefile |
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| 08:11.31 | efuzzyone | amphi: whoever did it he used a binary distribution of mysql |
| 08:11.46 | amphi | efuzzyone: ah |
| 08:12.27 | efuzzyone | i was actually tring to install mysql-5, but this 4.0 binary in usr/local was overriding the 5.0 installation |
| 08:12.46 | efuzzyone | i guess just deleting /usr/local/bin/mysql should work fine |
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| 08:13.57 | amphi | efuzzyone: could be all over the place - /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/etc, /usr/local/share, ... |
| 08:14.25 | efuzzyone | but once i install 5.0 hopefully that will overwrite all those |
| 08:15.27 | amphi | hope is the enemy of progress |
| 08:16.04 | michael11 | Guerin: What do I do if I get this: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 08:16.04 | michael11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.11 | nvz | amphi: but it folats |
| 08:16.18 | nvz | thats got to count for something |
| 08:16.19 | Guerin | michael11: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 08:16.30 | Guerin | michael11: best idea: just remove them |
| 08:16.38 | nvz | s/folats/floats/ |
| 08:16.44 | efuzzyone | amphi: any other better alternatives? |
| 08:16.44 | Guerin | efuzzyone: it won't |
| 08:16.53 | efuzzyone | hmm.... |
| 08:16.55 | amphi | efuzzyone: delete it all |
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| 08:18.57 | liable | efuzzyone: anything else in /usr/local/bin/? |
| 08:19.03 | aidan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.38 | aidan | why doesn't that work? |
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| 08:21.50 | efuzzyone | liable: lot of stuff in there php, pear |
| 08:22.00 | liable | efuzzyone: eek |
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| 08:22.35 | liable | aidan: i dunno if apt-get does versions.. try aptitude -t backports php-pear=version |
| 08:23.09 | liable | aidan: be carefull as aptitude may go a little crazy if you dont usually use it |
| 08:23.23 | aidan | yeh I don't usually use it |
| 08:23.58 | liable | purge and reinstall it and it should behave (if it does go crazy) |
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| 08:24.04 | aidan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:25.08 | liable | apt-get can do it actually.. |
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| 08:26.17 | aidan | yeh |
| 08:26.18 | aidan | it seems so |
| 08:26.28 | aidan | E: Version '5.1.6' for 'php-pear' was not found |
| 08:26.52 | aidan | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ |
| 08:27.02 | aidan | php-pear_5.1.6-1~bpo.1_all.deb |
| 08:27.25 | liable | try adding the -1 |
| 08:27.36 | aidan | nope |
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| 08:31.30 | aidan | can I search the list of packages it thinks is available? |
| 08:31.33 | phated | Chuck in ~bpo.1? |
| 08:31.41 | phated | aidan: apt-cache search? |
| 08:32.00 | aidan | tried all the variants I can think of |
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| 08:32.31 | eps | how do I redect the default monitor? |
| 08:32.41 | eps | I just plugged in a new lcd and nothing is coming up |
| 08:32.52 | cydork | !drxx eps |
| 08:32.52 | dpkg | eps: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 08:33.21 | eps | kthx :) |
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| 08:36.13 | michael11 | In Gnome I can press alt+f2 to launch a run box to enter a single command to launch a program, but how can I do this for fluxbox? |
| 08:36.37 | eps | it only found my old monitor which isn't connected :| |
| 08:37.38 | cydork | michael11: install bbrun and bbkeys :) |
| 08:38.36 | cydork | michael11: no wait. dont install bbkeys.. just use fluxconf |
| 08:40.06 | ndowens | cydork: come on now confuse him :p jk |
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| 08:41.07 | cydork | !qotd199 |
| 08:41.07 | dpkg | qotd199 is probably Dabian: This is a support channel - not a help channel - which means we try to humiliate the users by exposing their lack of knowledge and netiqette, in a way subtle enough to not add to their knowledge. :-) |
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| 08:59.36 | MolePrince | Hello, I have a laptop with bios hibernate/suspend support. With the APM module loaded, suspending works perfectly; however when it resumes from suspend/hibernate the screen doesn't work nor does the keyboard. Has anyone else encountered this please? Before linux boots, resume works perfectly. |
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| 09:02.11 | MolePrince | This is on debian sarge 2.6.8-3 with no suspend2/hibernate patches or packages. |
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| 09:03.40 | frex | does anyone know if you can mount an ipod under debian? |
| 09:03.48 | aidan | # apt-cache showpkg php-pear |
| 09:03.48 | aidan | Package: php-pear |
| 09:03.48 | aidan | Versions: |
| 09:03.48 | aidan | 5.2.0-7~bpo.1 |
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| 09:03.55 | h3xis | i believe so |
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| 09:04.43 | aidan | so there's the 5.2 version... why isn't the 5.1 version showing? can I force it to appear? |
| 09:04.48 | h3xis | i think it's /dev/sd* |
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| 09:08.11 | aidan | okay, manually edited the source file |
| 09:09.05 | LoneWlf | Isn't that always fun :) |
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| 09:10.36 | LoneWlf | My guess is however that you won't be able to do anything about that... :( This is package management... and all the packages are VURRY inter-related..... |
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| 09:18.29 | Gge | Hi - I have installed the DEbian Testing ( net install) . Network is working . So now how i can install X ( apt-get fails) ? |
| 09:18.47 | Gge | Could not find help in wiki |
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| 09:19.25 | cydork | Gge: do you want to install gnome or kde? |
| 09:19.34 | cydork | Gge: or something else? |
| 09:19.35 | Gge | Kde |
| 09:19.40 | aidan | LoneWlf: It seemed to work |
| 09:19.42 | cydork | !install kde |
| 09:19.42 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 09:19.43 | unlink | Gge: what error are you getting? |
| 09:19.54 | aidan | I'm going pecl install now and it seems to be compiling |
| 09:20.05 | cydork | Gge: try what dpkg said ^^ |
| 09:20.24 | Gge | cannot fing the package .. from apt-get ... |
| 09:21.04 | cydork | Gge: do you have anything in your /etc/apt/sources.list?? |
| 09:21.16 | Gge | I'll check |
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| 09:21.40 | Gge | bbl |
| 09:22.35 | cydork | Gge: if you want to install full kde just do "apt-get install kde" or use aptitude instead of apt-get |
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| 09:24.37 | Gge | cydork - thanks , must go |
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| 09:25.07 | Gge | aptitude is the new command ? |
| 09:25.18 | cydork | !aptitude |
| 09:25.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
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| 09:25.53 | Gge | dpkg , thx |
| 09:25.54 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
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| 09:26.13 | Dewi | the USB connection to my UPS reconnects regularly... and I think it always has, but I'm not sure with what regularity |
| 09:26.14 | khaleel5000 | hi , i have debian etch installed , I have installed it couple of times , i have never made a aa swap partition , now i have created a swap parttion (got some space free now) so when i added /dev/hda12 swap swap pri=42 0 0 |
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| 09:26.32 | Dewi | but now every couple of days, it is reconnecting and immediately deciding it is on battery power and that battery is low |
| 09:26.34 | khaleel5000 | it said mountpoint swap doesnot exist (when i ask it to mount /dev/hda12) |
| 09:26.40 | Dewi | so basically my system constantly reboots |
| 09:26.42 | Dewi | for no reason |
| 09:27.19 | Dewi | syslog looks like this: http://pastebin.ca/289641 |
| 09:27.28 | cydork | khaladan: it should be /dev/hda12 none swap |
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| 09:28.33 | khaleel5000 | cydork: its khaleel5000 , thanks will try it now |
| 09:28.35 | Dewi | I've been running this UPS for about 9 months and never had these problems before. And it still works... |
| 09:29.10 | cydork | khaleel5000: sorry.. damn that nick complete |
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| 09:30.00 | khaleel5000 | cydork: /dev/hda12 none swap pri=42 0 0 (no mountpoint none) with /dev/hda12 swap pri=42 0 0 mountpoint swap doesnot exist |
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| 09:32.13 | jindal | heya cydork |
| 09:32.18 | cydork | khaladan: do swapon -a |
| 09:32.24 | liable | Dewi: does the ups give beep warnings as well, or just the software flaky you think? |
| 09:32.45 | cydork | jindal: greetings earthling |
| 09:33.14 | jindal | cydork, lol my compiz aint working for some time now... do check http://jindal.pastebin.ca/289643 |
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| 09:33.43 | liable | jindal: whats wrong with it? |
| 09:33.43 | wookienz | hi, i need some help with exim, it is not delivering mail. it appears to be timing out according the log file |
| 09:34.18 | Dewi | liable: I have never been home/awake when it has happened |
| 09:34.22 | jindal | liable, on running it the border etc the whole WM disappers and none comes up |
| 09:34.36 | khaleel5000 | cydork: did taht ,than typed moutn and hit enter :- it didnot show any drive mounted as swap (in my case it should be /dev/hda12 mounted as (on?) swap_ |
| 09:34.50 | Dewi | liable: but if the battery was flaky as it sort of sounds; I wouldn't be able to cut AC power with no issues |
| 09:34.57 | Dewi | liable: I think it's just purely a comms problem |
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| 09:35.07 | cydork | khaleel5000: it doesn't show in mount output |
| 09:35.16 | Dewi | liable: like when comms first come up the state isn't being initialised totally properly |
| 09:35.23 | liable | Dewi: oh, i had a cheap one that would just decide it didnt have power connected all the time, if the software actually worked, it prolly would have been doing the same thing as yours |
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| 09:35.54 | Dewi | liable: but the problem with the software theory is that this has been running perfectly for 9 months or more, and I haven't so much as run apt-get on this system in weeks |
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| 09:36.14 | cydork | khaleel5000: check cat /proc/swaps |
| 09:36.18 | Laser | hi guys :) |
| 09:36.32 | Dewi | liable: maybe I should just move it to another USB port and give my system a bit of power cycling |
| 09:36.34 | Laser | does the apache-dev package include needed files for the apache2 stuff? |
| 09:36.36 | jindal | !greet Laser |
| 09:36.36 | dpkg | Hello, Laser |
| 09:36.43 | khaleel5000 | cydork: yup it shows it :D thanks |
| 09:36.49 | cydork | jindal: hmm google for that libgl warning.. |
| 09:37.01 | jindal | cydork, okey |
| 09:37.07 | Laser | jindal, lol. that was cruel. making a bot greet me :) |
| 09:37.18 | Dewi | liable: I wish I could enable some kind of paranoid mode where... it doesn't respond to a low battery condition unless it was actually preceeded by a "on battery power" condition |
| 09:37.21 | liable | Dewi: cant hurt, doesnt have a debug mode on the software? |
| 09:37.28 | cydork | !bot snack |
| 09:37.28 | dpkg | cydork: aw, gee |
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| 09:37.39 | liable | !bot smack |
| 09:37.44 | liable | meh |
| 09:37.47 | cydork | heh |
| 09:38.01 | khaleel5000 | cydork: and how can i MAKE IT use /dev/hda12 as swap everytine i run my box? |
| 09:38.13 | liable | fstab |
| 09:38.17 | khaleel5000 | cydork: coz i used to rely on fstab entries (on pclinuxs atleats) |
| 09:38.36 | cydork | khaleel5000: and you should rely on fstab in debian too.. |
| 09:38.56 | cydork | khaleel5000: read man fstab for more details |
| 09:39.00 | khaleel5000 | liable: cydork my sftab is here http://rafb.net/p/13zhKO60.html (check out /dev/hd12 |
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| 09:39.42 | cydork | khaleel5000: it should be none swap not swap swap |
| 09:39.49 | Dewi | liable: it's not an expensive UPS... I think it cost me under 100 USD |
| 09:39.57 | khaleel5000 | cydork: check , |
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| 09:40.05 | Dewi | liable: maybe I should buy a slightly more real one :P |
| 09:40.05 | liable | jindal: that just looks like compizzle isnt replacing the wm, make sure you only have metacity runing and try again |
| 09:40.06 | khaleel5000 | cydork: i mean ok , will change that , thanks |
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| 09:40.37 | liable | Dewi: yeah, i threw my cheapo out, gonna get a decent one next. |
| 09:40.42 | jindal | liable, metacity? |
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| 09:41.01 | cydork | jindal: gnome window manager |
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| 09:41.13 | jindal | cydork, i remem the warning of opengl did came earlier also when it worked |
| 09:41.20 | jindal | cydork, liable am using KDE |
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| 09:41.41 | liable | jindal: are you running kde or gnome, cause that paste mentions kwin and metacity, what compiz versions you have installed |
| 09:42.26 | jindal | liable, 0.2.2-1 (i386 32 bit unstable) |
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| 09:43.02 | liable | jindal: have you ever had the debian one working? i dunno if it does kde |
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| 09:43.32 | jindal | liable, yeah i had it working the first time itself... and it does support KDE |
| 09:43.32 | Dewi | liable: this is a powerware one... I bought it because it said "supports linux" but then all it had was some crappy .bin blob that failed to install because it blindly expected me to be running RH or something |
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| 09:43.46 | Dewi | liable: do you have a recommendation? |
| 09:43.51 | liable | Dewi: heh, same here :) |
| 09:44.05 | unlink | what's a good (non-busybox) shell for embedded systems? |
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| 09:44.21 | cydork | jindal: i dont know if you have to kill the kwin before.. |
| 09:44.22 | liable | Dewi: get one thats supported by the debian software. |
| 09:44.34 | Dewi | liable: the nut driver I have to use for powerware seems pretty experimental too... I should probably look at the list of what nut "likes" |
| 09:44.38 | unlink | something more comfortable than csh, but not as beefy as bash |
| 09:44.47 | jindal | cydork, yeah some posts thrown by google suggested it |
| 09:44.58 | liable | Dewi: good ones are very expensive though |
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| 09:45.14 | cydork | jindal: well try without it. :P |
| 09:45.35 | liable | wheres the gl error? |
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| 09:46.04 | liable | oh, i'm blind.. |
| 09:46.06 | jindal | cydork, yeah aint working..... (earlier worked without killing kwin)....... but why even after killing it compiz says compiz.real: Another window manager is already running on screen: ? |
| 09:46.30 | liable | jindal: is compiz itself showing in ps? |
| 09:46.48 | jindal | liable, nope |
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| 09:47.12 | Dewi | liable: well, I've replaced the USB cable... maybe I trod on this one too many times. A couple of cold boots of everything and we'll see... :) |
| 09:47.24 | liable | jindal: radeon driver, i recall seeing that for my old lappie with a 7500.. check your xorg log |
| 09:48.01 | liable | Dewi: righto |
| 09:48.07 | jindal | liable, mine is 810 driver... should i paste the whole xorg log on pastebin? |
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| 09:48.29 | liable | jindal: nah, just look for similar errors and any aiglx errors |
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| 09:52.19 | jindal | liable log shows (==) AIGLX enabled and only error (EE) Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm |
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| 09:53.17 | liable | jindal: ok, i remember getting a shitload of those, 'does not support blah' things in my log. |
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| 09:53.35 | ALVAN | one question since kernel 2.6.18 ntfs rw support is fully supported? |
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| 09:56.43 | diazepam | guys im customising a kernel for a Centrino Duo (Dual Core) can someone shed some light on what processor option i should select? |
| 09:57.37 | diazepam | PC compatible symmetric mulitprocessing support? |
| 09:58.54 | liable | thats the laptop one? |
| 09:59.01 | diazepam | yeah |
| 09:59.23 | liable | diazepam: pentium M, smp, not hyperthreading |
| 09:59.25 | diazepam | got a thinkpad R60 with Intel Centrino Duo and ATI 256mb |
| 09:59.43 | liable | thats what i got :0 |
| 09:59.48 | cydork | jindal: delete ~/.kde/share/config/kdesktoprc and try again |
| 09:59.51 | liable | er, i meant :) |
| 10:00.04 | diazepam | liable - excellant...I know who's brain to pick then |
| 10:00.12 | liable | doh! |
| 10:00.46 | jindal | cydork, naah didnt work :( |
| 10:00.51 | liable | oh, r60, i got t60 |
| 10:00.52 | robin_sz | ok, so once I happened to open some directories on the gnome desktop ... and lauched openoffice and a couple of xterms .. and then I shut it down .. now, everytime I start gnome, the poxy things come back .. like vampires, I kill them, they come back on restart .. where is the settings for startup items so I can stop them?? |
| 10:01.01 | liable | much the same though i guess |
| 10:01.04 | ALVAN | someone knows a good PSX or PSX2 emulator for linux ? |
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| 10:01.18 | diazepam | liable - yeah except your one is about 2kg lighter! =) |
| 10:01.30 | diazepam | my boy weighs in at 2.8kg |
| 10:01.49 | liable | diazepam: dunno, this ones fairly weighty, a bit lighter than my r40 though |
| 10:02.14 | cydork | !dbugs 390929 |
| 10:02.17 | dpkg | #390929:I[compiz] compiz: "Another window manager is already running on screen: 0"; Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:49:17 UTC |
| 10:02.25 | robin_sz | ALVAN, there is a good one bundled with the Wii emulator for Linux ;) |
| 10:02.26 | diazepam | yeah ive got an R32 and it was a touch lighter than this one |
| 10:02.31 | diazepam | but not as much grunt |
| 10:03.06 | diazepam | im dying to get the ATI graphics card working properly but have heard it has fan managment issues that can lead to overheating |
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| 10:03.53 | wookienz | hi, i need some help with exim, it is not delivering mail. it appears to be timing out according the log file. |
| 10:03.56 | ALVAN | robin_sz, Wii emulator ?from where |
| 10:04.36 | liable | diazepam: hrm, havent had that problem with mine, there was a kernel patch for adjusting fan speed, but i am not game to mess with it. fan is pretty much always on with this box |
| 10:04.49 | liable | diazepam: though you cant here it, just feel the heat coming out |
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| 10:05.14 | liable | diazepam: where did you read that? |
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| 10:09.30 | diazepam | liable - thinkWiki |
| 10:11.41 | orestyle9 | how do I get a scsi mount to load on reboot? |
| 10:11.53 | orestyle9 | I have edited the fstab file too |
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| 10:13.12 | liable | if its not mounting, check dmesg for why |
| 10:14.27 | boodie | Hi aptitude gave me a message of device full (/var); how can I make space, i.e. of the obsolete kernel packages? |
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| 10:15.42 | liable | aptitude clean |
| 10:15.49 | liable | or manually remove them |
| 10:17.04 | orestyle9 | Ok, I went into joe to look at dmesg. Now I cant get out. how can I kill or get out of this process? |
| 10:17.22 | orestyle9 | have tried ctrl k-x and ctrl c |
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| 10:17.59 | orestyle9 | nm |
| 10:20.20 | orestyle9 | I'm not seeing any errors, I do see the device being recognized and drivers loaded for it.. |
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| 10:21.20 | liable | orestyle9: does 'mount -a' mount it? |
| 10:21.30 | orestyle9 | yes |
| 10:22.03 | liable | is it a network fs or something? |
| 10:22.17 | orestyle9 | scsi attached storage... |
| 10:22.48 | orestyle9 | I see the fusion host driver load and recognize the device |
| 10:22.55 | diazepam | liable: one last thing. Can you recommend a diskimaging utility (i want to backup my laptop one i have all the peripherals working so i dont have to spend hours putting it together again the next time i have to format) |
| 10:22.55 | liable | a real disk or some sort of removable media? |
| 10:23.20 | orestyle9 | its a raid array (raidking) |
| 10:23.52 | liable | diazepam: not really, theres partimage, and prolly more, but i usually just backup to my home server if i bother (rsync) |
| 10:24.14 | liable | wtf is raidking? |
| 10:24.37 | diazepam | yeah ... i gave dd a shot but it requires the target disk to be exactly the same specs |
| 10:24.45 | diazepam | okay thats it |
| 10:24.47 | orestyle9 | external raidarray device. it manages the raid itself, I just connect to it. |
| 10:24.49 | diazepam | thanks everyone |
| 10:24.54 | diazepam | have a good christmas |
| 10:25.07 | diazepam | Ho ho hoooooooo! |
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| 10:25.14 | liable | diazepam: if you have another box you can backup to, rsync is teh shizzle |
| 10:25.20 | orestyle9 | http://www.raidking.com/ |
| 10:26.15 | liable | orestyle9: paste your dmesg (include the bit where you did mount -a) |
| 10:26.24 | liable | !paste |
| 10:26.24 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 10:28.31 | williamham | how can I check whichports are being used? I have an application reporting port already in use |
| 10:28.49 | Eclipser | netstat |
| 10:28.50 | liable | netstat -plunt |
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| 10:29.59 | williamham | liable your magic plunt it was I could not work out the combination of switches |
| 10:30.20 | anapivirtua | Hello all :) |
| 10:30.49 | liable | williamham; i remember this, -plunt for servers, -pantu for services |
| 10:31.42 | orestyle9 | liable: well tried to do a copy but now its stuck with the message "waiting for data" |
| 10:32.03 | liable | orestyle9: use another pastebot then |
| 10:32.16 | orestyle9 | no, this is on my server... |
| 10:32.33 | orestyle9 | stupid server |
| 10:32.52 | orestyle9 | putty session.... |
| 10:33.02 | orestyle9 | stupid putty session |
| 10:33.08 | liable | just run dmesg and paste it from putty |
| 10:33.34 | orestyle9 | ok, basically my server is froze.. |
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| 10:35.44 | orestyle9 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4887 here is what I have |
| 10:35.54 | orestyle9 | liable: ^^^^^^ |
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| 10:36.22 | nekostar | lesse here.... |
| 10:36.58 | orestyle9 | almost looks like the fstab file is read before the system recognizes the array... |
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| 10:38.22 | liable | orestyle9: how is the thing powered? |
| 10:38.49 | orestyle9 | just ac power... |
| 10:38.57 | orestyle9 | you mean the array? |
| 10:39.02 | liable | yes |
| 10:39.12 | orestyle9 | same as computer.. |
| 10:39.33 | liable | how is it connected? |
| 10:39.43 | orestyle9 | scsi cable to backplane... |
| 10:44.13 | RvGaTe | i find it very frustrating that i cant write my own name without grabbing the character map .... are there shortcuts for typing stuff like: èéà á .... ? |
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| 10:46.01 | liable | orestyle9: nfc clue then, your fstab is obviously correct if it mounts with mount -a, and it doesnt appear to be a problem with the kernel detecting it. try adding the driver to your initrd, or rebuild the initrd whilst its plugged in. (guess, i am an initrd challenged) |
| 10:47.13 | orestyle9 | liable: sounds good, thanks for the help ... |
| 10:47.32 | liable | gl |
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| 10:55.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:55.31 | dpkg | i guess qotd83 is <WiFiTux> how much can I paste here? -!- WiFiTux [~abonilla@natsj-9-netra20.ice.co.cr] has quit [Excess Flood] <ricky_clarkson> Not that much, obviously. |
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| 11:01.36 | Eclipser | http://rafb.net/p/TkLb1U59.html this is rather interesting |
| 11:02.17 | Eclipser | first time I run irexec, it works fine, but after I quit it and run it again, it fails like that |
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| 11:03.14 | egx | hi |
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| 11:12.48 | sanmarcos2 | if I have a wireless and a wired connection, and both are in route with the default gw for each, what does linux use? |
| 11:13.32 | egx | i would say that depends on the metric |
| 11:13.52 | sanmarcos2 | in english? |
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| 11:14.27 | egx | there is an entry "metric" the number says which on to use first |
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| 11:15.00 | sanmarcos2 | egx: both say 1 |
| 11:15.35 | xingu | sanmarcos2: what is CONFIG_IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH set as in your kernel config? |
| 11:16.40 | egx | you can say which connection linux should use first if you set one metric 1 and the second 2 |
| 11:17.25 | RvGaTe | i find it very frustrating that i cant write my own name without grabbing the character map .... are there shortcuts for typing stuff like: èéà á .... ? |
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| 11:18.20 | xingu | RvGaTe: generally; altgr-keysym on the intl keyboard layouts |
| 11:18.42 | sanmarcos2 | xingu: how can I check> |
| 11:18.48 | RvGaTe | xingu, ehmm ? |
| 11:19.07 | xingu | RvGaTe: here, altgr-; e gives me é |
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| 11:19.53 | xingu | RvGaTe: it's all highly locale/keyboard layout/window manager specific stuff though. |
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| 11:20.02 | RvGaTe | xingu, wtf is altgr- ? :S |
| 11:20.13 | xingu | RvGaTe: does your keyboard have an altgr key? |
| 11:20.27 | sanmarcos2 | usually international keyboards do |
| 11:20.30 | sanmarcos2 | its right alt |
| 11:20.43 | xingu | sometimes; sometimes they have right alt as well |
| 11:20.56 | RvGaTe | xingu, i only have left alt and right alt |
| 11:21.06 | xingu | sucks to be you. :) |
| 11:21.37 | RvGaTe | xingu, its a really normal keyboard... never heard of altrg :S |
| 11:21.49 | egx | sanmoarcos2: have a look at /proc/config.gz (is thats on your machine) |
| 11:21.53 | xingu | RvGaTe: is there a reason you bought a US key layout rather than the NL or euro one? |
| 11:22.19 | xingu | RvGaTe: I'm guessing you lack a € keysym too which must suck these days |
| 11:22.28 | egx | or perhabs at /boot/config-yourrunnungkernel |
| 11:22.40 | RvGaTe | xingu, i do have a euro key |
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| 11:22.54 | rainyrhythm | hi, anyone knows ipmi ? |
| 11:22.55 | xingu | sanmarcos2: grep IP_ROUTE_MULTIPATH /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 11:23.09 | RvGaTe | xingu, i just cant find the combination to press it... nromally it would work with right alt + 5 |
| 11:23.21 | sanmarcos2 | xingu: y |
| 11:23.40 | xingu | RvGaTe: it's probably ralt-4 if you have a euro locale and keyboard layout set in your WM |
| 11:24.02 | RvGaTe | xingu, nope... makes me switch screens on xchat... |
| 11:24.20 | xingu | sanmarcos2: right; so specifically to the point; with IP_MULTIPATH the rules change; you can install multiple equal cost routes - which you have, with two default gateways |
| 11:24.33 | RvGaTe | xingu, or i might have my keyboard settings messed up |
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| 11:24.38 | xingu | RvGaTe: in that case your wm's key layout is not a NL one. |
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| 11:25.57 | RvGaTe | xingu, when i go to keyboard preferences, i can only select Default and Emacs |
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| 11:26.01 | RvGaTe | xingu, xfce tw |
| 11:26.03 | RvGaTe | btw |
| 11:26.42 | rainyrhythm | or anyone knows anything about remote rebooting ? |
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| 11:27.13 | RvGaTe | rainyrhythm, you mean something like WOL ? (wake on lan)... or do you really want to just reboot the system |
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| 11:27.46 | Laser | hi there |
| 11:27.49 | xingu | sanmarcos2: so; gateway selection in this instance is non-deterministic for new (non-cached) flows, and deterministic for known (cached) flows *iff* MULTIPATH_CACHED is also =y |
| 11:27.53 | rainyrhythm | rvgate, like on reboot if kernel panics it would fallback to the old kernel |
| 11:27.54 | Laser | there is something i'dd like to ask |
| 11:28.08 | Laser | i add mirrors to apt but something is wrong |
| 11:28.10 | kroket | hello, can i ask what is best to install on amd64 => amd64 or the multi architecture dvd? |
| 11:28.16 | Laser | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org php5/sarge Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7edexter_dists_php5_sarge_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 11:28.16 | Laser | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 11:28.16 | Laser | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 11:28.58 | kroket | installed the multi dvd but got kernel 486 and lots of i386 debs |
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| 11:29.14 | kroket | (as standard) |
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| 11:33.38 | liable_ | Laser: so, did you try what apt suggested? |
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| 11:36.28 | Laser | yep |
| 11:36.31 | Laser | i fixed it :) |
| 11:37.27 | rainyrhythm | okay... another thing... where can i get "grub-set-default" |
| 11:37.41 | rainyrhythm | it seems it is not in the grub package |
| 11:38.36 | liable | not in sarge, should be in etch's grub iirc |
| 11:38.45 | rainyrhythm | oh... |
| 11:39.14 | rainyrhythm | damn, it would break my kernel |
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| 11:48.24 | wfq | hi |
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| 11:48.52 | wfq | i have been long time away from Debian |
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| 11:49.12 | maasha | hi |
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| 11:49.28 | wfq | but i would like to know which debian version i need to download at this moment or what version you recommend me |
| 11:50.16 | maasha | is this a critical bug in sudo? i add a user as sudoer, then i sudo reboot (password prompted), and after reboot sudo <whatever> is not prompted for a password? |
| 11:50.25 | alecjw | hi. im thinking of instlling debain on this pc, but i need bcm43xx, what versin of debian has this? |
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| 11:50.51 | maasha | i know that sudo remembers the password prompt for like 10 min, but also after a reboot? |
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| 11:51.49 | dondelelcaro | maasha: so long as /etc/init.d/sudo runs, it clears all of those out. |
| 11:52.27 | maasha | dondelelcaro: i dont quite follow "runs" ? |
| 11:52.29 | alecjw | does anyone know what version of debian bcm43xx was introduced in? |
| 11:52.48 | yang | my apt-get update stops at - 99% [7 Sources bzip2 0] ? |
| 11:52.50 | dondelelcaro | alecjw: it isn't in any released version yet; it'll be in etch, though. |
| 11:53.23 | alecjw | dondelelcaro: thanks. so etch is "testing", is it? |
| 11:53.33 | dondelelcaro | maasha: gets executed, etc. |
| 11:53.34 | maasha | !dpkg tell alecjw about testing |
| 11:54.21 | maasha | dondelelcaro: ok, so sudo "state" is actually written to file and remembered after reboot - seems to me to be dangerous thing to do ... ? |
| 11:54.52 | dondelelcaro | maasha: it's always written to a file. Otherwise the password retention wouldn't work at all. /etc/init.d/sudoers clears it upon reboot. |
| 11:55.40 | dondelelcaro | maasha: since /etc/init.d/sudoers runs before rmnologin, it's perfectly safe. |
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| 11:55.43 | maasha | dondelelcaro: hm, ok then |
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| 11:56.54 | yang | why is apt-get stalled at bzip2 command? |
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| 12:01.43 | Assid | hi.. i have a remote debian box.. which when i login to, i get "System boot up in progress... please wait" |
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| 12:01.57 | Assid | but it never moves |
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| 12:02.24 | lolzwtf | DCC SEND 0 0 0 "NIGGER LOL" |
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| 12:02.43 | Coke | I installed the local translation dictionaries (for dict) and now it refuses to use dict.org lookups. When I do "dict -D" it only shows me the local databases, what happened to dict.org? It's in my default config. |
| 12:03.11 | Coke | Also, I'd like to choose whether I'm looking for a word definition or translation, can't find such an option. |
| 12:04.02 | iterator | does anyone know how I canmake lynx save cookies? |
| 12:04.14 | yang | Assid: you get that when you log over ssh? |
| 12:04.24 | Assid | yes |
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| 12:04.48 | yang | Assid: it looks like the system stops at ceratin point...can you type any commands in ssh? |
| 12:05.06 | Assid | nope |
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| 12:05.30 | yang | Assid: ask the NOC to reboot that server, or maybe perform reinstall |
| 12:05.38 | streuner | dpkg, wb |
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| 12:05.47 | dpkg | thanks, streuner. It's good to be back. |
| 12:06.20 | Assid | eeks.. its a debian box.. which i imaged from a hard drive in another data center |
| 12:06.22 | Shadowcat | !beat streuner |
| 12:06.51 | yang | Assid: you copied hard drive from another drive, and put that drive into that box? |
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| 12:07.11 | yang | Assid: it's not a proper way to do it...you should install manually |
| 12:07.21 | Assid | they dont support debian |
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| 12:07.27 | Assid | and it worked fine .. till about 10 mins ago |
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| 12:08.48 | yang | Assid: so ask for a reboot |
| 12:09.05 | Assid | i rebooted it.. but still the same place |
| 12:09.19 | Assid | we get RR port (power cycles the box). |
| 12:09.20 | yang | Assid: then you will see if it boots up, you can also try if it boots with the old kernel |
| 12:09.38 | Assid | weird thing.. i havent touched the kernel |
| 12:09.43 | Assid | all i did was update clam |
| 12:10.07 | yang | Assid: if you had the drive in another PC, it will perform differently in another machine (processor missmatch etc.) |
| 12:10.34 | yang | Assid: but it looks like it gets you to ssh |
| 12:10.43 | Assid | err.. i updated the kernel here.. but thats like a month back |
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| 12:11.35 | Assid | here = on its own machine |
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| 12:12.15 | frex | how can you mount an ipod under debian? |
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| 12:12.52 | yang | frex: as an usb device |
| 12:13.13 | yang | frex: check ipodlinux.com |
| 12:13.46 | yang | frex: it mounts as a drive |
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| 12:14.00 | yang | frex: then you copy things to it, and unmount |
| 12:14.01 | groton | hello all |
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| 12:14.46 | frex | yang: I'm getting an error: unable to mount, wrong fs type |
| 12:14.59 | yang | Assid: so your server was working like 1 month before it hanged? |
| 12:15.11 | Assid | yeah |
| 12:15.12 | groton | i installed linux on an old comp which has usb1.1. When i stick in a usbkey, it does get reckonized, but i do not see any sda device listed with fdisk -l . How could i mount the usb key which i do not "see"? :) |
| 12:15.14 | yang | frex: you have to mount as vfat |
| 12:15.16 | Assid | i think around a month |
| 12:16.13 | Stinger | where can I find different versions of debian packages? |
| 12:16.14 | yang | Assid: you here this is the trouble, becouse you did an IMAGE copy....the record didn't copy in your MBR of your hard disk so it can't boot correctly (my guess) |
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| 12:16.56 | Assid | yang: it worked for a month |
| 12:17.04 | Assid | ive rebooted like dozens of times |
| 12:17.21 | Assid | i even updated the kernel once i moved the drive to its new hardware |
| 12:17.31 | yang | Assid: then it looks like some services won't start there...that is why it hangs |
| 12:17.42 | yang | Assid: it won't boot in full mode |
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| 12:24.06 | Groggy | hallo |
| 12:24.43 | Groggy | what to install on a am2 amd64? |
| 12:24.54 | Groggy | (kernel) |
| 12:25.15 | Groggy | K7, K8 generic? |
| 12:25.50 | tarzeau | i usually install k8 32bit kernels on those |
| 12:26.02 | tarzeau | how much memory? |
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| 12:26.20 | Groggy | 1Gb |
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| 12:26.32 | Groggy | proc is a athlon3500 |
| 12:26.44 | Groggy | 64bit |
| 12:26.50 | frex | I just mounted my ipod with mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod |
| 12:27.01 | frex | but how do I now WRITE to that volume? |
| 12:27.11 | tarzeau | frex: mount it -o rw ? |
| 12:27.20 | tarzeau | frex: or set the perimssions properly |
| 12:27.58 | Groggy | tarzeau any reason why you install k8 32bit on those? |
| 12:28.04 | Groggy | is am2 = k8 ? |
| 12:28.28 | tarzeau | Groggy: not sure about am2. because i have software that don't work on 64bit kernels |
| 12:28.33 | tarzeau | binary non-free crap |
| 12:28.39 | Groggy | ah :s |
| 12:28.41 | tarzeau | (it's actually not me, needing that, but anyways) |
| 12:29.16 | Groggy | never heard of am2 till today :) |
| 12:29.38 | Groggy | so wondering what kernel fits best for this |
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| 12:31.21 | tarzeau | Groggy: amd64 is k8 |
| 12:31.30 | tarzeau | Groggy: add SMP to it |
| 12:32.06 | Groggy | thx |
| 12:32.31 | Groggy | sockets seem to change fast these days :s |
| 12:33.19 | frex | tarzeau: is this correct? /dev/ipod /mnt/ipod vfat async,nodev,nosuid,user,rw,noauto 0 0 |
| 12:33.27 | frex | I put that iin fstab |
| 12:33.54 | pumpkin0 | frex: now umount and remount ... |
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| 12:33.56 | tarzeau | frex: i don't know. man fstab |
| 12:34.08 | tarzeau | man 5 fstab |
| 12:34.29 | frex | I think I need to /dev/ipod /mnt/ipod vfat async,nodev,nosuid,user,rw,noauto 0 0 |
| 12:35.05 | pumpkin0 | frex: you could test these parameters one-by-one via mount... |
| 12:35.09 | itchi | ... Do something unusual today. Pay a bill. (It's a fortune message :-p) |
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| 12:35.46 | frex | pumpkin: I'm still such a novice.... getting umount --- device is busy error |
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| 12:36.18 | pumpkin0 | frex: "lsof | grep /mnt/ipod" shows you which progs are still using the device. |
| 12:36.46 | pumpkin0 | frex: and "mount -o remount,rw /mnt/ipod" should give root rw-access right away. |
| 12:37.31 | frex | great, pumpkin0, checking it now |
| 12:37.33 | frex | learning fast |
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| 12:40.56 | pablo | ello |
| 12:41.08 | tarzeau | yellow |
| 12:41.13 | pablo | how do i chose which network interface to use? |
| 12:41.27 | tarzeau | turn off the others? |
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| 12:41.49 | itchi | pablo: See 'route' |
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| 12:42.26 | pablo | itchi and scratch: yeah and then? |
| 12:42.41 | itchi | pablo: Set you "route" right :-) |
| 12:42.48 | itchi | s/you/your/ |
| 12:43.19 | pablo | what? |
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| 12:43.34 | sanity__ | hi everybody |
| 12:43.46 | itchi | pablo: If you have more as one card up, you need to define which you want to use (in an manner to tell) |
| 12:44.01 | sanity__ | anybody can test responditivity of www.petsknowledge.fr please :-) |
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| 12:44.23 | sanity__ | responsivibity |
| 12:45.04 | itchi | sanity__: Traceroute?? |
| 12:45.28 | itchi | sanity__: It been work here |
| 12:46.00 | itchi | sanity__: A nice Plone theme :-) |
| 12:46.26 | sanity__ | pyboom thanks python and css |
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| 12:46.38 | itchi | Yeah :-p |
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| 12:53.41 | Groggy | hmm |
| 12:53.59 | Groggy | impossible to finish etch weekly build installer in a normal way |
| 12:55.58 | blondie | o.O |
| 12:56.13 | Groggy | err 64 bit one :) |
| 12:56.26 | blondie | umm |
| 12:56.30 | Groggy | at end o install when it throws up cd it gets in a kind of loop |
| 12:56.47 | blondie | I installed RC1 amd64 and it works |
| 12:56.54 | blondie | netinstall |
| 12:57.12 | Groggy | installing snapshot of etch |
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| 12:57.35 | Groggy | at end i have to hard reboot the puter... |
| 12:57.48 | Groggy | first that screwed up grub |
| 12:57.52 | Groggy | now i cannot login |
| 12:58.34 | CharminTheMoose | dang,imlib2 isn't in the debian repository... |
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| 13:01.22 | Yunhual | hello~every one~~ |
| 13:01.25 | Groggy | it ejects the cd and then it just loops the last step forever |
| 13:01.26 | liable | CharminTheMoose: hrm, you sure it isnt ? |
| 13:01.37 | Yunhual | merry X'mas~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 13:01.41 | CharminTheMoose | liable,on sarge at least |
| 13:01.47 | liable | oh, virtual |
| 13:02.14 | Yunhual | realtic~ |
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| 13:02.58 | Yunhual | realtic~/ |
| 13:03.04 | CharminTheMoose | merry xmas Yunahual |
| 13:03.13 | Yunhual | anybody here ? |
| 13:03.30 | Yunhual | any present resivered? |
| 13:03.51 | findme | !anyone |
| 13:03.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:04.55 | Tar-Get | hi |
| 13:05.13 | Tar-Get | i am trying to install the nvidia driver |
| 13:05.33 | Tar-Get | what is the package for the kernel sources? |
| 13:05.44 | liable | etch? |
| 13:05.51 | Tar-Get | yes |
| 13:06.03 | pythonic | Tar-Get: do you need the sources or just the headers? |
| 13:06.11 | liable | Tar-Get: /msg dpkg etch nvidia |
| 13:06.34 | Yunhual | you can find it any Web~ |
| 13:06.38 | liable | err, nvidia etch |
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| 13:07.31 | Tar-Get | pythonic, the source |
| 13:07.52 | itchi | liable: The first try was good :-) /msg dpkg etch nvidia |
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| 13:08.53 | PumpkinPie | does anyone maintain a box that gets more then a million hits a month? |
| 13:09.04 | frex | does anyone know a keylogger for debian? |
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| 13:09.09 | blondie | PumpkinPie: yes. |
| 13:09.29 | PumpkinPie | blondie: does it run php? |
| 13:09.38 | blondie | I don't mean me! |
| 13:09.41 | blondie | but we do at work |
| 13:09.47 | blondie | though that's solaris, but yes PHP c.c |
| 13:09.52 | Enquest | I'm looking for libapache2-mod-python2.4 but can't find it... Is there some where I can apt-get it to install? |
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| 13:10.58 | itchi | Enquest: Which release have you? |
| 13:11.04 | blondie | Enquest: why do you want an old version? |
| 13:11.10 | Enquest | debian sarge... but using python 2.4 |
| 13:11.34 | Enquest | uhm in sarge there is only mod-python2.4 |
| 13:11.41 | Enquest | uhm in sarge there is only mod-python2.3 |
| 13:11.59 | Enquest | blondie, what do you suggest? |
| 13:12.04 | blondie | er |
| 13:12.28 | Enquest | I've been looking in backports but mod-python2.4 isn't there... |
| 13:13.40 | itchi | Enquest: Wait until Etch become stable |
| 13:14.08 | Enquest | itchi, sorry I can't wait |
| 13:14.16 | Enquest | Argh maybe I can |
| 13:14.23 | itchi | Enquest: Then you have already you answer |
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| 13:14.35 | blondie | itchi: when will that be then? :P |
| 13:14.45 | Enquest | 2007 november :) |
| 13:14.58 | itchi | Enquest: If you really no can wait, migrate your box already to Etch (not testing). |
| 13:15.15 | itchi | Enquest: When it's ready :-p |
| 13:15.16 | blondie | itchi: "can't" |
| 13:15.16 | pythonic | Enquest: optimist! |
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| 13:15.43 | blondie | well, you could always install the module manually if you really want it now? |
| 13:15.52 | itchi | blondie: If you really can't wait, ... ??? |
| 13:15.58 | blondie | itchi: yes |
| 13:16.05 | itchi | blondie: Thanks :-p :-) |
| 13:16.40 | blondie | "no can" is only used for "no can do" ;) |
| 13:17.01 | itchi | A bit weird that English :-) |
| 13:17.08 | blondie | pfft |
| 13:17.10 | itchi | Nice, but not so easy |
| 13:17.17 | blondie | at least it doesn't have gendered nouns |
| 13:17.33 | itchi | blondie: It's complicated to learn i find |
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| 13:18.06 | blondie | "no can do" isn't proper English anyway |
| 13:18.14 | liable | itchi: we've noticed :P |
| 13:18.19 | itchi | Can not do ??? |
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| 13:18.32 | itchi | yeah, but back to can't do :-) |
| 13:18.34 | liable | thats also correct |
| 13:18.36 | blondie | "cannot do" |
| 13:18.46 | itchi | hhhm, weird :-p |
| 13:18.52 | blondie | I don't know if it's meant to be "cannot" or "can not"... |
| 13:18.57 | liable | cant do , cannot do, can not do, |
| 13:19.07 | blondie | but you usually only say cannot instead of can't for emphasis |
| 13:19.16 | itchi | wazzzaaa yeah |
| 13:19.19 | frex | can someone tell me where my keymap is located? |
| 13:19.36 | blondie | what annoys me... is that "it is not" = "it isn't" = "it's not" :) |
| 13:19.40 | liable | frex: for x? |
| 13:19.51 | frex | liable: yes x, gnome |
| 13:20.03 | pythonic | could not have => couldn't've |
| 13:20.09 | Eulex | depends on emphasis |
| 13:20.13 | itchi | To be honnest, i have learn English be reading some computer docs, not be reading the English manual :-) |
| 13:20.41 | pythonic | it is not => it'sn't |
| 13:20.42 | blondie | "honest", "learned", "by", "by" ;) |
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| 13:20.59 | blondie | pythonic: well the first of those sounds right anyway ;) |
| 13:21.04 | itchi | blondie: You know why all these typo's now :-) |
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| 13:21.17 | Eulex | actually, you can both say 'learned' and 'learnt' |
| 13:21.24 | Vanno | what file i need to modify to puta loop.. like lauching a command every 24 hour.. |
| 13:21.32 | Vanno | i forget XD |
| 13:21.41 | itchi | Vanno: cron |
| 13:21.44 | Vanno | oh thanks |
| 13:22.41 | blondie | Enquest: yes |
| 13:22.44 | blondie | erm Eulex yes |
| 13:23.01 | blondie | also, burned/burnt, earned/earnt, etc |
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| 13:23.27 | liable | frex: /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/ |
| 13:23.38 | enveezee | are debian kernels patched for bootsplash? |
| 13:23.47 | itchi | enveezee: Nope |
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| 13:24.15 | enveezee | someone told me on here once they got a bootsplash working without recompiling, though the package clearly says kernel must be patched |
| 13:24.18 | liable | enveezee: are you really enveezee ? |
| 13:24.20 | frex | liable: isn't it a specific file? looks like a directory |
| 13:24.25 | liable | enveezee: splashy |
| 13:24.32 | enveezee | liable: yeah I was just too lazy to identify.. hold on. heh |
| 13:24.43 | blondie | but... |
| 13:24.52 | enveezee | but what? |
| 13:24.55 | blondie | debian always used to have a bootsplash screen |
| 13:25.00 | blondie | with a penguin |
| 13:25.08 | enveezee | thats framebuffer |
| 13:25.14 | liable | blondie: you mean a boot logo? |
| 13:25.18 | enveezee | which brings me to another issue |
| 13:25.27 | liable | debian doesnt even have that does it? |
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| 13:25.29 | blondie | !bootsplash |
| 13:25.29 | dpkg | somebody said bootsplash was http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 13:25.31 | enveezee | must I use framebuffer if I want to use a splash? |
| 13:25.33 | blondie | liable: yes |
| 13:25.40 | enveezee | I am afraid to use framebuffer it seems shaky |
| 13:26.12 | cahoot | yeah not for the cautious |
| 13:26.14 | enveezee | for one thing this has an ATI mobile.. for another any system I _ever_ used framebuffer on it creates some weirdness that I cannot use my consoles when X is running |
| 13:26.18 | frex | liable: where is the final keymap? I see a list of files in /xkb/rules/ |
| 13:26.25 | liable | you cant be enveezee if your afriad of framebuffer.. |
| 13:26.32 | enveezee | heh |
| 13:26.33 | blondie | enveezed |
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| 13:26.56 | enveezee | yeah my real_name may say jen, but this is definatly the one and only nvz |
| 13:27.05 | enveezee | whom is about to time out soon |
| 13:27.09 | enveezee | cause I took his network cable |
| 13:27.59 | liable | err, so you took *his* network cable, when your name is jen?? |
| 13:28.17 | enveezee | I need to come up with a irc nick for jen.. cause jen and jenn are already taken :P.. funny thing is the nick "jen" is apperently owned by someone named peter |
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| 13:29.14 | enveezee | liable: I am working on jens laptop.. old compaq armada 500mhz PIII w/ like 192mb ram. had winxp on a dying 15GB HD.. which is probably why the hd croaked.. |
| 13:29.26 | enveezee | so I put a replacement 40gb in here and put debian 4.0 on it |
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| 13:29.44 | CharminTheMoose | greetings abrotman |
| 13:29.52 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:30.04 | enveezee | she's already another happy debian user and hasnt even got the computer back yet |
| 13:30.35 | enveezee | right now I am trying to setup acpid to get some damn battery monitoring going on.. and maybe figure out how to get this damn ATI mobility to show some love on 3d apps |
| 13:30.45 | frex | Can someone tell me if /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/ uses the rules to build a keymap, in what file is the final keymap stored?? |
| 13:30.49 | itchi | enveezee: Is it an 1750? |
| 13:31.02 | frex | I want to find the keymap... if anyone knows |
| 13:31.08 | enveezee | and having a splash screen would be nice, but I'd rather not patch a kernel and have to use framebuffer so it probably wont happen |
| 13:31.18 | enveezee | itchi: the model of the laptop? |
| 13:31.23 | itchi | enveezee: Yes |
| 13:31.39 | liable | splashy! |
| 13:32.10 | enveezee | itchi: looks to be a PP2040 if I am reading correctly |
| 13:32.21 | itchi | enveezee: hhhmm |
| 13:32.33 | enveezee | itchi: says series pp2040 on the bottom |
| 13:32.43 | enveezee | I dont see anything else resembling a model number |
| 13:32.49 | enveezee | though that doesnt seem right either |
| 13:32.57 | enveezee | oh wait |
| 13:33.09 | itchi | enveezee: On my older, it's just noted bellow the screen, when it's open |
| 13:33.09 | liable | oh dear |
| 13:33.11 | enveezee | says Compaq Armada m700 on the screen |
| 13:33.26 | enveezee | but thats not really an exact model either probably |
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| 13:33.44 | enveezee | pretty well supported hardware in here |
| 13:33.53 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 13:33.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 13:34.05 | eilker | what to do to install debian server ? |
| 13:34.12 | itchi | enveezee: Drop, it was just about curousity, thought it was the same as my old :-p My old was an 300MHz, but was an serie with the same config ^ |
| 13:34.16 | eilker | what to download ? |
| 13:34.25 | abrotman | !d-i eilker |
| 13:34.25 | dpkg | eilker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:34.36 | abrotman | eilker: unless you have new fangled hardware |
| 13:34.40 | frex | Can someone tell me if /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/ uses the rules to build a keymap, in what file is the final keymap stored?? |
| 13:34.42 | itchi | eilker: An i got there some weird acpi troubles ... |
| 13:34.44 | abrotman | !d-i eilker |
| 13:34.44 | dpkg | eilker, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:34.46 | abrotman | doh |
| 13:34.54 | itchi | oeps, |
| 13:35.02 | itchi | enveezee: ^ |
| 13:35.58 | eilker | friends, i am kubuntu user. in ubuntu there is ubuntu-server cd, do we have debian-server cd ? |
| 13:36.10 | blondie | no |
| 13:36.11 | eilker | i just installed debian r4 yesterday |
| 13:36.19 | abrotman | eilker: no .. it's all the same |
| 13:36.39 | liable | eilker: nope, just install the base system and whatever you need after, or iirc theres a server thing in tasksel |
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| 13:36.45 | blondie | you can choose what "kind" of installation you want from the installer if you want |
| 13:36.52 | PerfDave | eilker: If you want a "server" installation, just don't install a desktop. |
| 13:37.09 | eilker | perfdave: so i have server now:) |
| 13:37.29 | PerfDave | eilker: Depending on your definition of "server", perhaps :) |
| 13:37.29 | liable | ... |
| 13:37.31 | enveezee | itchi: well only hardware trouble I noticed is there may be some kind of buggy timer on here.. I had a crapload of hd errors at first which was a bad drive.. but with the replacement I had one error about a timer reset on the ide |
| 13:37.47 | enveezee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.54 | eilker | liable:tasksel? |
| 13:37.56 | enveezee | well supported hardware as I said |
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| 13:38.40 | enveezee | the ATI thing just pisses me off.. two things I am still horrible with as far as hardware goes is 3d and wifi |
| 13:38.43 | liable | eilker: yeah |
| 13:39.01 | enveezee | only 3d I ever got working is nvidia, cause its dead simple and just works (tm) |
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| 13:39.21 | itchi | enveezee: Looks same stuff as my older laptop |
| 13:39.29 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: what was the name of that package that tracks whatever you've apt-gotten since installing it? |
| 13:39.33 | PerfDave | eilker: Right up until your system gets rooted ;) |
| 13:39.38 | enveezee | there's quite a few new games I am gonna have to take off here if I cant get hardware accel cause its way too slow |
| 13:39.39 | abrotman | !installed |
| 13:39.40 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 13:39.48 | enveezee | its probably not going to be able to play dvds without accel either |
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| 13:40.02 | enveezee | I noticed some mild sync issues with just mpgs |
| 13:40.26 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: no, i mean a package that tracks what you have installed since then, not just showing what do i have installed |
| 13:40.30 | itchi | enveezee: It should, we some little shockes |
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| 13:40.30 | PerfDave | enveezee: What CPU have you got? I can watch DVDs on my P2 just fine without 3d-accelerated graphics. |
| 13:40.39 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: debfoster ? |
| 13:40.51 | enveezee | abrotman: is there a factoid on how to fix the status list if you hose it and it says you have 0 packages installed? I've done that once or twice and cant remember how to fix it |
| 13:40.52 | itchi | enveezee: It should play DVD with some little jumps |
| 13:40.54 | liable | Jimmymaniac: aptitude does and dpkg in > etch has a log |
| 13:40.58 | abrotman | you don't need 3d accel for watching DVDs .. at all |
| 13:41.05 | enveezee | PerfDave: PIII 500 |
| 13:41.06 | abrotman | enveezee: yes |
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| 13:41.27 | abrotman | !status recovery |
| 13:41.27 | PerfDave | enveezee: Should be fine then |
| 13:41.27 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 13:41.30 | Jimmymaniac | didn't knew about debfoster, but sounds more useful than what i had in mind , thanks |
| 13:41.36 | liable | you should have a statu.old |
| 13:41.40 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: maybe deborphan ? |
| 13:41.44 | PerfDave | enveezee: My laptop's a P3 700MHz and plays DVDs without issues. |
| 13:42.08 | enveezee | well I know dvds are tough because not only does it have to be able to scale the video which is rough without accell but without the GPU doing the gfx you got that extra load on the cpu which is handling DVD drive interrupts and sound interrupts and whatnot |
| 13:42.12 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: i think i'll use debfoster, sounds useful |
| 13:42.22 | abrotman | okay .. enjoy |
| 13:42.26 | eilker | perfdave: it cant be :) because it is just for practise in vmware:) |
| 13:42.37 | enveezee | testing with mpg/avi video clips it works as long as you dont try to strech it full-screen |
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| 13:43.04 | PerfDave | eilker: You can get raw, root access to your nvidia card from a VMWare guest? |
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| 13:43.12 | itchi | enveezee: And depend of wich driver you use in your movie app |
| 13:43.21 | enveezee | itchi: which one should I use? |
| 13:43.35 | itchi | enveezee: Wich player use you? |
| 13:43.36 | PerfDave | enveezee: Like I say, I have a laptop, which is a 700MHz P3 with 512Mb RAM, and it can play DVDs quite happily using xine or vlc in KDE. |
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| 13:44.01 | abrotman | i have a P4 2.4Ghz with 768MB .. plays DVDs great! |
| 13:44.06 | abrotman | wait .. |
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| 13:44.10 | mickael__ | hello, why caplock doesn't work ? i'm under debian etch, without graphical interface.. |
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| 13:44.12 | eilker | perfdave: no problem:) no nvidia card, this is an onboard pc, just for testing, no info on this... |
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| 13:44.37 | abrotman | mickael__: at all ? |
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| 13:44.42 | enveezee | itchi: well I set them up on gnome for now.. totem, xine-ui, and mplayer are installed.. I was gonna have them use mplayer and put -zoom -framedrop and -idx as default options if I didnt figure something better out |
| 13:44.50 | mickael__ | i have to press shift+key |
| 13:44.57 | PerfDave | eilker: Hmm, I appear to be talking at cross-purposes, it was enveezee who said that nvidia installs were easy, not you :) |
| 13:45.00 | pandrew | hi! how can i make one of my usb 2.0 ports run as Usb 1.0 or 1.1 as default? i have a mp3 player that looks like that has problems with usb 2.0. thanks |
| 13:45.01 | abrotman | mickael__: did you pick the wrong keymap ? |
| 13:45.04 | enveezee | I can make just about anything play on just about any system with mplayer its so damn configurable |
| 13:45.16 | mickael__ | no ;-) |
| 13:45.22 | abrotman | mickael__: double dog sure ? |
| 13:45.34 | eilker | perfdave: ohh ok:) |
| 13:45.38 | abrotman | mickael__: does it work in "another OS" ? |
| 13:45.52 | mickael__ | yes |
| 13:46.02 | mickael__ | with X server it works |
| 13:46.09 | enveezee | the hardware accel probably isnt anything to jump up and down about on here anyhow.. but I'd still like to have it |
| 13:46.17 | Trewas | enveezee: there is no need for 3d acceleration to get accelerated video-playback, check with xvinfo if you have xvideo working, and if so, use for example "mplayer -vo xv" to play |
| 13:46.27 | enveezee | I just hate to think of the aggrivation and the chances of actually geting a mobile ATI to work |
| 13:46.42 | itchi | enveezee: With mplayer, you can select the driver to use, maybe test each one, to see wich runs the best. But in another way i want to suggest you to tryout with vlc :-) |
| 13:46.49 | mickael__ | numlock and caplock are ignored |
| 13:46.59 | PerfDave | enveezee: Have you tried just playing a DVD and seeing what happens? |
| 13:47.06 | liable | enveezee: why do you think it should be so hard? |
| 13:47.27 | enveezee | PerfDave: not yet.. I am still working on things I consider to be more important like geting battery status and whatnot |
| 13:47.44 | abrotman | is htere a way to see keycodes at console ? |
| 13:47.48 | PerfDave | klaptopdaemon 4TW |
| 13:48.43 | liable | if the kernel modules can poll the battery, any monitor should work |
| 13:48.45 | enveezee | liable: I dunno I did an ATI vs. nvidia trial when I was in dallas with an ge5200fxu and a radeon9200 and I got the nv working perfectly on the first try with little effort, while I fussed over the ATI for hours and got nothing but scrambled video |
| 13:49.03 | Red_muze | gnea: seems that just after yesterdays talk about demudi : http://www.agnula.org/ its dead... |
| 13:49.08 | enveezee | liable: ATI just seems harder to get working to me.. and I never had good results with the mobility on any OS |
| 13:49.50 | liable | enveezee: hrm, i've got two now, and both werent hard, except trying exotic shits like xgl |
| 13:49.57 | enveezee | liable: I am in the process of setting up acpid.. I got the driver working, and the monitor on the panel.. but it doesnt have a socket to connect to.. apperently thats where acpid comes in |
| 13:50.21 | enveezee | so right now the monitor just reads AC all the time |
| 13:50.41 | liable | and when its unplugged? |
| 13:50.51 | enveezee | same thing |
| 13:51.06 | enveezee | like I said there is no /var/acpi.socket or whatever the hell |
| 13:51.14 | enveezee | for it to connect to and get status info from |
| 13:51.43 | enveezee | acpid has to be installed to monitor the info in /proc/ and make an info pipe I guess is how it works |
| 13:51.48 | abrotman | Red_muze: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=demudi .. not the status |
| 13:51.55 | abrotman | Red_muze: NOTE the status |
| 13:52.18 | PerfDave | Demudi started out as a good idea but rapidly became a bad one. |
| 13:52.19 | itchi | enveezee: Is it not cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/info ? |
| 13:52.33 | enveezee | damn acpid failed to start.. says /proc/acpi/event device or resource is busy |
| 13:52.46 | itchi | enveezee: HHhmm, wait |
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| 13:52.50 | enveezee | itchi: na /proc/acpi/battery/C10D/info |
| 13:53.17 | itchi | enveezee: Have you put acpi=on|force|or whatever in the grub's menu list? |
| 13:53.24 | enveezee | itchi: it has C10D and C10E why I have no idea because afaict there is only one battery bay unless you can put a battery in where the DVD drive is |
| 13:53.41 | itchi | enveezee: Here same case on an brand new laptop |
| 13:53.43 | enveezee | itchi: no, but acpi works. I can read the info from /proc/acpi/battery/C10D/info |
| 13:53.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: MERRY CHRISTMAS |
| 13:53.53 | itchi | enveezee: ok |
| 13:54.04 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, what do i do now, after getting "dpkg was interrupted, you must run dpkg --configure -a" to avoid having to actualle reconfigure everything? |
| 13:54.08 | Red_muze | abrotman: dormant is a polite way of saying it... thats too bad. now ill have to find out how to compile a multimedia optimised kernel |
| 13:54.21 | Jimmymaniac | *actually |
| 13:54.33 | enveezee | Jimmymaniac: dpkg --pending --configure |
| 13:54.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: NOT YET! |
| 13:54.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got my present yesterday night already ;) |
| 13:54.50 | abrotman | Red_muze: i'd think a real time would be more important |
| 13:54.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: so you said |
| 13:54.55 | enveezee | Jimmymaniac: I am not all too sure what -a would do but I know --pending only picks up where it left off |
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| 13:55.03 | Jimmymaniac | enveezee: thanks, worked :) |
| 13:55.05 | PerfDave | Originally, Demudi was an extra Debian repository, containing heavily-optimised multimedia-oriented packages (and kernels) which you could install onto your Woody system. Then they went the way of being a fully-fledged Yet Another Debian-Derived Distro, and disappeared up their own arses.. |
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| 13:55.09 | liable | tarzeau: its 'last night' :P |
| 13:55.19 | tarzeau | liable: ah :) |
| 13:55.21 | enveezee | PerfDave: heh |
| 13:55.24 | Red_muze | abrotman: yeh realtime would be important |
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| 13:55.48 | itchi | Jimmymaniac: -a go to configure all the stuff |
| 13:55.55 | PerfDave | Linux doesn't do RTOS, does it |
| 13:55.55 | PerfDave | ? |
| 13:56.03 | tarzeau | !RTOS |
| 13:56.07 | enveezee | what is an RTOS |
| 13:56.12 | PerfDave | Real-Time Operating Systme |
| 13:56.18 | enveezee | Retarded Terms Of Service? |
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| 13:56.29 | yos87 | Hi |
| 13:56.36 | tarzeau | there's patches, no? |
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| 13:56.46 | tarzeau | http://www.google.ch/search?q=linux+rtos&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a |
| 13:56.48 | Jimmymaniac | hmmm, maybe now that i'm reinstalling i should take the chance to test vserver :) |
| 13:56.59 | Red_muze | PerfDave: the demudi kernel was a debian kernel compiled with realtime capbabilities so i guess its possible... |
| 13:57.13 | enveezee | RTOS disclaimer: user must remain bent over in a vulernable position when using this service |
| 13:57.26 | PerfDave | Red_muze: Realtime, or just low-latency? |
| 13:57.43 | abrotman | PerfDave: yes it does |
| 13:57.48 | enveezee | I thought as long as you were root you could use real-time scheduling |
| 13:57.59 | Red_muze | PerfDave: im not sure about that |
| 13:58.03 | PerfDave | Hmm, as of 2.6.18, apparently. |
| 13:58.14 | Tchaka | slt tous le monde |
| 13:58.21 | enveezee | I guess there are verying degrees of real-time |
| 13:58.22 | Red_muze | 2.6.18 already has realtime? |
| 13:58.26 | yos87 | Hi, I have error, when i start my pc i have " I cannot start the X server (your graphical interface it is likely that is not set up correctly, would you like to views the X server output? " |
| 13:58.35 | PerfDave | Red_muze: According to wikipedia. |
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| 13:58.40 | itchi | Tchaka: Maybe you want #debian-fr :-p |
| 13:58.43 | abrotman | PerfDave: there are older projects too |
| 13:58.52 | enveezee | I recall the notice on installing terminatorx about setting it suid to use real-time scheduling |
| 13:58.57 | michi87 | hi everyone |
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| 13:59.04 | PerfDave | enveezee: IME, an RTOS is one where the kernel can guarantee that an operation will return in a certain time, and will fail sensibly if it can't. |
| 13:59.04 | Groggy | !bootsplash etch |
| 13:59.09 | Groggy | !bootsplash |
| 13:59.09 | dpkg | i guess bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 13:59.14 | abrotman | PerfDave: you know what that means!!?? etch is a RTOS! |
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| 13:59.20 | Red_muze | i wish RME would give the sources for their firewire cards, i have a fireface thats just waiting for be hooked to debian.... |
| 13:59.25 | liable | Groggy: /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 13:59.30 | michi87 | can someone help a newbie with a keyboard problem? |
| 13:59.30 | itchi | yos87: Take an look to your Xorg (or maybe xfree86) log file to get more info |
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| 13:59.43 | PerfDave | Red_muze: Have you phoned their product support line, or CTO, or something to talk to them about it? |
| 13:59.50 | yos87 | itchi: where does the xfree log file? |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | michi87: just ask |
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| 13:59.57 | NIARuss | :-D |
| 13:59.59 | kombi | havn't done this in a while: to login over ssh without password I generate a public key, put it on the target and call it authorized_keys2, has anything changed with this method? |
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| 14:00.04 | itchi | yos87: In /var/log/* are all the logs |
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| 14:00.22 | michi87 | How do I change a keyboard layout correctly? |
| 14:00.24 | PerfDave | kombi: Use ssh-copy-id |
| 14:00.28 | tarzeau | michi87: x or console? |
| 14:00.31 | liable | kombi: you cat it to that file, yes |
| 14:00.32 | Jimmymaniac | kombi: that's what i use, although i can't recall the exact filenames |
| 14:00.56 | blondie | kombi: well I usually just call it "authorized_keys" without the 2 |
| 14:00.56 | michi87 | X |
| 14:00.56 | tarzeau | michi87: setxkbmap or loadkeys |
| 14:00.56 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 14:00.56 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 14:00.57 | michi87 | yes, I tried that, but there is some error... |
| 14:01.03 | Red_muze | PerfDave: aparently this is some kind of policy they have. they probably have some technologic specialty there i dont know.. |
| 14:01.12 | michi87 | locale is C |
| 14:01.12 | michi87 | Warning! Multiple definitions of keyboard layout |
| 14:01.12 | michi87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:01.12 | michi87 | Applied rules from xfree86: |
| 14:01.12 | michi87 | model: pc105 |
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| 14:01.20 | kombi | strange.. I'll give ssh-copy-id a shot then, thanks all |
| 14:01.21 | Red_muze | PerfDave: all of their cards have linux drivers |
| 14:01.23 | enveezee | hmm well gnome's battery applet tells me it cant connect to the acpi socket because acpid isnt installed.. I install acpid and it wont start because /proc/acpi/event is busy. it seems to be in use by the hald I have no idea what to do |
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| 14:01.35 | PerfDave | Red_muze: But not Free ones? |
| 14:01.36 | Red_muze | except for the firewire cards |
| 14:01.41 | Red_muze | free |
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| 14:01.53 | PerfDave | Red_muze: free, but not Free? |
| 14:01.57 | michi87 | ups, sorry |
| 14:02.05 | Red_muze | free but not for firewire |
| 14:02.11 | PerfDave | Red_muze: free, or Free? |
| 14:02.24 | enveezee | if gnome wants hal and hal wants to use acpi event interface then why the fuck does gnome want to use acpid to monitor status when it knows hal is already doing thaat |
| 14:02.34 | liable | enveezee: restart gnome (i presume you are using it) |
| 14:02.34 | itchi | enveezee: lsof | grep /proc/acpi/event ?? |
| 14:02.38 | Red_muze | PerfDave: what does that mean |
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| 14:02.55 | enveezee | liable: well gdm is running I am not logged in.. I am on tty1 in screen |
| 14:03.10 | enveezee | itchi: I already know hal is using it |
| 14:03.12 | PerfDave | Red_muze: Are the drivers that are available for their non-firewire cards merely freely available, or are they also Free Software? |
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| 14:03.25 | liable | enveezee: kill gdm then, start acpid, restart gdm |
| 14:03.25 | itchi | enveezee: He, i get the same thing when i try to cat it |
| 14:03.37 | itchi | enveezee: Maybe is that normal?? |
| 14:03.40 | enveezee | liable: hmm if that works I am gonna have to make sure that acpid starts before hal/gdm |
| 14:03.47 | yos87 | itchi: i''m not ablt to install or remove anything also |
| 14:03.50 | kombi | PerfDave: says 'no identities found', does it only work on rsa? |
| 14:04.03 | liable | enveezee: it shouldnt be a problem normally |
| 14:04.08 | PerfDave | kombi: no idea, RTFmanpage? |
| 14:04.09 | yos87 | itchi: it will work if I did dpkg -reconfigure all ? |
| 14:04.09 | itchi | yos87: Sure you can, you not need especially X for that |
| 14:04.10 | enveezee | itchi: I dont call things not working normal no matter which direction I turn my head when I look at them |
| 14:04.15 | Tchaka | itchi, no sorry I have just forgotten that I was on #debian and not on #debian-fr :p |
| 14:04.17 | Red_muze | PerfDave: they are not on their site if thats what you mean. they were part of the agnula project... |
| 14:04.24 | itchi | yos87: I dunno, paste maybe the error log?? |
| 14:04.27 | enveezee | liable: yeah I just installed acpid |
| 14:04.39 | liable | enveezee: yeah, i figured |
| 14:04.39 | Red_muze | PerfDave: they even have drivers for osx86 |
| 14:04.40 | itchi | yos87: See /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
| 14:04.48 | kombi | PerfDave: fine man page is the first I read allways..;) I'll rather look at what the script does and do it manually.. |
| 14:04.51 | PerfDave | Red_muze: Whoa, I can't believe that a GNU/Linux user doesn't know what Free Software is. http://www.fsf.org/ |
| 14:04.53 | blondie | itchi: parlez vous francais? |
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| 14:05.31 | Red_muze | PerfDave: im noob |
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| 14:05.32 | itchi | blondie: Oui :-) Just talking (with my wife), i'm not yet good to write it, i'm Dutch |
| 14:06.00 | Red_muze | PerfDave: looking for alternative daw solutions |
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| 14:06.20 | PerfDave | Red_muze: Yeah, try reading http://www.fsf.org/ - it's the philosophical basis behind Free Software, which powers most of GNU/Linux. |
| 14:06.45 | PerfDave | Red_muze: DAW? |
| 14:07.02 | michi87 | When I am trying to change my keyboard layout with setxkbmap, this is the output http://extraball.sunsite.dk/notepad.php?ID=67284 |
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| 14:07.05 | Red_muze | PerfDave: digital audio workstation |
| 14:07.18 | michi87 | What am I doing wrong? |
| 14:07.26 | enveezee | liable: well it works.. hopefully it works when it boots... another strange thing is that I put the battery monitor applet on gnome-panel and apperently I dont need it.. it automatically appears in the notification applet when acpid is running |
| 14:07.46 | kombi | PerfDave: that script is a little lame, no offense |
| 14:08.03 | liable | enveezee: should work at reboot, and you should be able to remove it if you dont want it |
| 14:08.08 | PerfDave | kombi: Hey, I didn't write it. |
| 14:08.16 | yos87 | itchi: no such file or directory |
| 14:08.24 | kombi | PerfDave: lol, ok |
| 14:08.26 | PerfDave | Red_muze: Ah, right. I'd just use an SSL desk or summat ;) |
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| 14:08.53 | Red_muze | PerfDave: SSL goes well with any daw ;) |
| 14:09.13 | itchi | yos87: Which release use you? |
| 14:09.14 | liable | enveezee: you can remove any of those notification thingos and add em elsewhere |
| 14:09.15 | PerfDave | Red_muze: I used to work for Solid State Logic ;) |
| 14:09.24 | enveezee | man if you act like you dont understand TLAs and read the shit in here literally its pretty funny |
| 14:09.37 | Red_muze | PerfDave: no kidding! i mix on ssl all the time |
| 14:09.53 | Red_muze | PerfDave: did you work on their new digital stuff? |
| 14:09.58 | Jimmymaniac | question: is there a guide with the quickest way from apt-get install samba to joining a windows domain the debian way? is there even a debian way for that? or should i just install the stuff and play with the configfiles? i don't realy wanna waste much time with that |
| 14:10.03 | enveezee | liable: yeah I rather have it in notification.. I thought I would have to manually add a battery applet to each damn user.. but if its already showing up in the notification area then I dont have to change anything |
| 14:10.20 | PerfDave | Red_muze: No, I worked as a sysdamin :) |
| 14:10.25 | liable | enveezee: all good then |
| 14:10.28 | yos87 | itchi:Debian sarge 3.1 r0a |
| 14:10.42 | itchi | Jimmymaniac: You need to 'waste' some time to read some docs, if you call that wasted time |
| 14:10.43 | Red_muze | PerfDave: ah nice... |
| 14:10.47 | blondie | Jimmymaniac: I don't think there is a debian way for that |
| 14:10.52 | DerJamster | Jimmymaniac: just apt-get install and play with the config. |
| 14:11.01 | blondie | yeah |
| 14:11.05 | DerJamster | Jimmymaniac: when you say domain..do you mean domain or workgroup? ;) |
| 14:11.15 | blondie | I should think he means domain :) |
| 14:11.16 | enveezee | liable: now I guess I am left deciding if I should compile video drivers or whatever the hell you call it when you taint your system with propriatary crap |
| 14:11.30 | Red_muze | PerfDave: ssl kick ass bigtime they are responsible for mixing more hits than any other manufacturer |
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| 14:11.41 | blondie | it's quite easy though |
| 14:11.43 | yos87 | itchi: What can I do? |
| 14:11.47 | Jimmymaniac | DerJamster: workgroup |
| 14:11.57 | itchi | yos87: Look to the file /var/log/XFree86.0.log (Maybe without the 0) |
| 14:11.57 | PerfDave | Red_muze: Yeah, our marketing people are great like that ;) |
| 14:12.10 | blondie | Jimmymaniac: that's completely different to a domain :P |
| 14:12.10 | liable | Jimmymaniac: easy is to try and connect with smbclient, samba config can be a bit of a pita, but i think gnome and kde have applets to help |
| 14:12.30 | liable | enveezee: try it, they have uninstallers. |
| 14:12.35 | Jimmymaniac | itchi: i've done all that before, it's just iÃat i'd rather play with vserver than with samba :) |
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| 14:12.56 | Red_muze | PerfDave: well its true. ssl has this special "hit" sound... |
| 14:12.57 | enveezee | liable: yeah I am talking to dpkg about fglrx now |
| 14:12.58 | Jimmymaniac | blondie: indeed, sorry :) |
| 14:13.11 | PerfDave | Red_muze: http://www.solid-state-logic.com/company/jobs.html - fuck, they're looking for ASP.NET webmonkeys? Glad I left when I did... |
| 14:13.42 | liable | enveezee: i didnt have much luck with the debian fglrx package for some reason (though i was trying to get xgl working) |
| 14:13.53 | DerJamster | Jimmymaniac: apt-get samba, apt-get swat |
| 14:14.09 | DerJamster | Jimmymaniac: connect to http://localhost:901 (i think it was 901), and have fun |
| 14:14.25 | PerfDave | Red_muze: I did work on some product-related stuff too, but I don't think it's been released yet so I can't talk about it :( |
| 14:14.29 | enveezee | liable: yeah well I am clueless.. I am just going off what dpkg says about ati |
| 14:14.35 | PerfDave | Eww, SWAT. |
| 14:14.52 | DerJamster | mh. I think swat does its job surprisingly well. |
| 14:15.08 | PerfDave | Swat shat all over my config files and broke Samba for me last time I used it. |
| 14:15.09 | DerJamster | (and offers alot more flexibility than most frontends for configuration) |
| 14:15.12 | Red_muze | PerfDave: i pobably cant afford it anyhow :P |
| 14:15.13 | PerfDave | man smb.conf is easy. |
| 14:15.49 | infernix | hrm, is there no dpkg-dev backport for sarge? building mdadm from etch on sarge fails, even though i've already got debhelper from backports |
| 14:15.53 | liable | burp |
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| 14:16.41 | yos87 | itchi: there is not xfree , there is : appache2 , aptitude , auth.log , bas-config.log, btm , daemon.log , debian - installer , debug , dirmngr.log , dmesg , exim4 , fontconfig , gdm , kern.log , ksymoops , last log, ip , mali, user.lost , and more |
| 14:17.08 | yang | why is apt-get stalled at bzip2 command? |
| 14:17.15 | itchi | yos87: With an capital X |
| 14:17.24 | PerfDave | yang: bzip2 is slow |
| 14:17.28 | liable | yang: kill it, and everything else should work ok |
| 14:17.53 | PerfDave | Bah, Etch doesn't include samba-vscan |
| 14:17.57 | yos87 | itchi: I use double TAB to view the content , I didn't search by x letter |
| 14:17.57 | itchi | yos87: Maybe just ls -lh /var/log/XRFree* |
| 14:18.14 | yang | 99% sources bzip2 - and then it stops, i killed it and it happens again |
| 14:18.15 | itchi | yos87: err, typo above |
| 14:18.21 | PerfDave | ls -l /var/log/X* |
| 14:18.21 | DerJamster | PerfDave: samba-vscan? |
| 14:18.31 | itchi | yos87: /var/log/XFree* to be clear |
| 14:18.35 | liable | yang: just upgrade, not update agin |
| 14:18.45 | PerfDave | DerJamster: Virus scanning plugin for Samba, can talk to ClamAV and others. |
| 14:18.56 | DerJamster | oh my. |
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| 14:18.59 | DerJamster | nice idea. |
| 14:19.01 | PerfDave | Good to stop your Windows users dumping infected files on your nice Linux server ;) |
| 14:19.03 | DerJamster | Tho it's not in sid, either :> |
| 14:19.35 | itchi | yos87: I assum you have been xfree, (what was near the fist question, when we began) |
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| 14:20.04 | yang | what kind of ration is this ? Need to get 339MB of archives. After unpacking 8333kB will be used. 339 Vs. 8 MB ? |
| 14:20.18 | Ono | hi. I need a network monitoring applicatin. It is list active connections with procresses. Do you have any advice? |
| 14:20.18 | PerfDave | yang: You're upgrading existing packages |
| 14:20.19 | DerJamster | yang: a big update there |
| 14:20.28 | DerJamster | yang: it means it will use 8 mb -more- than it uses now. |
| 14:20.39 | infernix | Ono: netstat -ap, possibly with -n as well |
| 14:20.48 | DerJamster | yang: not in total :> |
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| 14:21.07 | yang | DerJamster: yeah but such a ratio by 3000 % |
| 14:21.35 | DerJamster | yang: you're not getting it :) Those packages use lots-of-mb on your system already |
| 14:21.38 | yos87 | itchi: belive me there is not XFree * in the var/log I will restart , when I meet the error I will tell you the exat |
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| 14:21.45 | DerJamster | yang: but after upgrading, those packages will use 8 mb more |
| 14:21.51 | Ono | infernix: i need a gui based program |
| 14:21.52 | itchi | yos87: I guess then you not have it at all |
| 14:22.05 | itchi | yos87: Maybe you need to look to /msg dpkg install x |
| 14:22.08 | DerJamster | yang: than they do now |
| 14:22.26 | yos87 | itchi: i restart |
| 14:22.35 | abrotman | Ono: ntop or jnettop |
| 14:22.39 | itchi | yos87: Been sure you use xfree? Did you also like PerfDave told? |
| 14:22.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: your sleeping room? http://www.cocotron.org/Tools/index.jpg |
| 14:22.47 | Ono | ok thanks abrotman |
| 14:22.49 | itchi | yos87: no, not restart |
| 14:22.50 | DerJamster | yang: think of it this way. application A uses 5 mb on your system. you upgrade it, it now uses 6 mb. Apt-get says 'after unpacking 1024kb will be used.' |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | no |
| 14:23.07 | yang | DerJamster: i understand |
| 14:23.10 | DerJamster | :> |
| 14:23.11 | itchi | yos87: Maybe you have not pay attention and you use xorg?? |
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| 14:24.04 | yos87 | itchi: i get the error, it say ( I cannot start X server your graphical interface. it is likely that no set up correctly. would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem? ) |
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| 14:24.50 | yang | DerJamster: are anywhere on the net Debian keys listed, for which are secure? |
| 14:24.50 | itchi | yos87: That's the 'default' error message :-) we should need to know why he complain and that's mostly stored in an log file |
| 14:24.55 | yos87 | itchi: no Xorg , xfree |
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| 14:25.16 | DerJamster | !dpkg key 2006 |
| 14:25.22 | DerJamster | gah |
| 14:25.23 | itchi | yos87: But i dunno why you not have that log file :-/ |
| 14:25.30 | DerJamster | !key 2006 |
| 14:25.38 | DerJamster | now what was that command again. meh. |
| 14:25.41 | DerJamster | *braindead* |
| 14:25.45 | yang | 2006 key |
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| 14:26.13 | DerJamster | !keys |
| 14:26.20 | DerJamster | dpkg: tsk. react. |
| 14:26.25 | DerJamster | !key |
| 14:26.25 | dpkg | For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters. you can then use "apt-key" to install it. |
| 14:26.29 | yos87 | itchi: when clicking yes I have : GDM: Xserver not found : /usr/X11R6/bin/X : 0 -audit 0 pauth /var/lib/gdm/:0.xauth -molisten tcp vt7. please in stall the X server or edit /etc/gdm/gdm.config |
| 14:26.29 | asg | DerJamster: /msg dpkg listkeys ; /msg dpkg listvals |
| 14:26.30 | DerJamster | there we go. |
| 14:26.38 | DerJamster | asg: thanks :> |
| 14:26.43 | itchi | yos87: Partially installed or so?? |
| 14:27.05 | itchi | yos87: At least, try to reinstall x |
| 14:27.22 | yos87 | itchi: i told you I cannot install anything with apt |
| 14:27.33 | yos87 | itchi: is also show error |
| 14:27.33 | itchi | yos87: Why not?? |
| 14:27.43 | itchi | ug |
| 14:27.44 | Quibus | hi |
| 14:27.52 | itchi | yos87: Can you pastebin that error? |
| 14:28.05 | yang | i wonder why etch key is changed every month? |
| 14:28.21 | yos87 | itchi: wait |
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| 14:28.45 | liable | yos87: it is not, install debian-archive-keyring and you should be ok |
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| 14:30.35 | PerfDave | Right, off to do Xmyth food shopping. Red_muze, I suggest you have a read of http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/free-sw.html at some point ;) |
| 14:30.55 | yang | from my point of view 6070D3A1 can be also a "fake" key it's not listed in the "strong set" |
| 14:31.10 | liable | ham! ham! and more ham! |
| 14:31.15 | yang | and is it mentioned anywhere on the debian website? |
| 14:31.18 | yos87 | itchi: apt-get remove xserver-xfree86 > package xserver-xfree86 is not installed , so not removed , you might want to run apt-get -f install to correct these: the following package have unmet dependencies: evolution: depends: libpisock8 But it is not goint to be installed. e: unment dependencis. try apt-get -f install with no package |
| 14:31.25 | itchi | liable: Installed Pac Man?? |
| 14:31.39 | liable | itchi: nope, i dont really do games |
| 14:31.49 | itchi | liable: Just a joke :-) |
| 14:31.58 | liable | yang: my previous /msg to yos was for you |
| 14:32.17 | liable | yang: /msg dpkg etch key, and more than likely, yes |
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| 14:32.47 | liable | itchi: pacman eats ham? |
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| 14:32.50 | yang | liable: i have debian-archive-keyring here....but those keys are not valid for etch anymore....it's a new key out now |
| 14:32.55 | itchi | liable: :-p |
| 14:33.12 | itchi | liable: Depend what you draw in the game haha |
| 14:33.16 | yos87 | itchi: i make apt-get -f install he alsk me for cdrom to install something, I did |
| 14:33.16 | yang | liable: it's been a while since i apt-get upgraded |
| 14:33.17 | liable | yang: if you install the new version, you should get the key.. |
| 14:33.22 | yang | liable: ok |
| 14:33.22 | Vanno | hi someone know which program make svn server? |
| 14:33.35 | Vanno | subversion. |
| 14:33.36 | liable | yang: just upgrade that package |
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| 14:34.02 | itchi | yos87: Put the cd in?? |
| 14:34.32 | yos87 | itchi: i did, wait, installing |
| 14:34.36 | yang | liable: do you know, why nobody cares to add these keys into "strong sets" ? |
| 14:34.52 | liable | yang: i dont know what you mean by that |
| 14:34.57 | itchi | yos87: Usually, people with an good Internet connection, download the stuff of the net |
| 14:35.16 | yang | liable: http://pgp.cs.uu.nl/mk_path.cgi?FROM=AA8AB3B7&TO=6070D3A1&PATHS=trust+paths |
| 14:35.20 | itchi | yos87: Ba, but that does matters here :-) |
| 14:35.21 | yos87 | itchi: what ever it's slower |
| 14:35.43 | yang | liable: the key wasn't cross-signed by any debian maintainer |
| 14:35.45 | yos87 | itchi: bytheway , he is also donwloaing for security.debian.org |
| 14:35.56 | yos87 | itchi: he use both of cd and the internet |
| 14:35.57 | itchi | yos87: Depend, if you work with an apt-proxy or not |
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| 14:36.28 | yos87 | itchi: i don't know apt-proxy, But i remember that i setup the proxy to proxy1.emirates.net.ae |
| 14:36.39 | liable | yos87: i have no idea why it should be on that server |
| 14:36.53 | liable | yang: ^^ |
| 14:37.03 | itchi | yos87: Not realy to do with it, personally i find that apt-proxy is not yet the appropriate name, it confuse a bit the people i find |
| 14:37.06 | liable | yang: i suggest you file a bug if you have a better way |
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| 14:37.14 | yang | liable: or mentioning the keys on the debian website would be sufficient too...Like the kernel crypto key, it's mentioned on the website |
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| 14:37.45 | liable | yang: as i said, file a bug |
| 14:38.23 | yos87 | itchi: after it finish , I did startx , it give error, and say check the var/log/XFree86.0.log (: |
| 14:38.38 | itchi | yos87: Is the log now been there? |
| 14:38.47 | yos87 | yes |
| 14:38.48 | yos87 | now |
| 14:38.55 | itchi | yos87: Good :-p |
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| 14:39.34 | yos87 | itchi: it's verylog log file |
| 14:39.51 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, be are happy, better to long as to short with no info :-) |
| 14:40.18 | yos87 | itchi: :-) |
| 14:40.43 | itchi | yos87: Maybe you want to pastebin it, so us can try to help you, see /msg pastewithoutx |
| 14:40.53 | itchi | arg, /msg dpkg pastewithoutx |
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| 14:41.44 | CharminTheMoose | does linux support externel harddrives? |
| 14:41.51 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: Sure it does |
| 14:41.52 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: sure, the usb ones? |
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| 14:42.10 | liable | weird, my trackpoint is slow going down the page, but fast any other direction |
| 14:42.20 | yos87 | itchi: just a moment |
| 14:42.41 | Quibus | tarzeau: are you still into packaging games? |
| 14:42.50 | liable | ohnos |
| 14:42.55 | tarzeau | Quibus: sure |
| 14:43.01 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau:yup usb |
| 14:43.13 | Quibus | tarzeau: did you check out that Goonies remake? Latest project from Santi Ortanon |
| 14:43.28 | tarzeau | Quibus: yep, the license is problematic for debian |
| 14:43.38 | Quibus | ah, what is the license? |
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| 14:44.00 | [pacha] | Hi there |
| 14:44.01 | Quibus | (or the problematic part of it) |
| 14:44.15 | abrotman | !tell CharminTheMoose about usb storage |
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| 14:44.20 | abrotman | !tell CharminTheMoose about vfatrw |
| 14:44.40 | tarzeau | Quibus: like with all santi games, no license exist in the package, he needs to add one |
| 14:44.51 | tarzeau | Quibus: i didn't like the gameplay when i tried it a few months ago |
| 14:45.00 | [pacha] | i am finishing to compile akernel, but when i tryed to make the ramdisk with yaird i get the following error yaird error could not read output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set |
| 14:45.01 | tarzeau | Quibus: have you played nether earth? i just don't get how to play it |
| 14:45.18 | Quibus | tarzeau: so, you're mainly not packaging it because you don't like it? |
| 14:45.19 | tarzeau | Quibus: but mazeofgalious and supertransball2 are packaged |
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| 14:45.27 | Quibus | tarzeau: I konw, thanks :-) |
| 14:45.28 | tarzeau | Quibus: yes, i package stuff that i like and use |
| 14:45.37 | enveezee | fan-fucking-tastic I broke xorg :P |
| 14:45.37 | Quibus | that's your good right, of course :-) |
| 14:45.47 | liable | why would you package something you dont like? |
| 14:45.48 | tarzeau | Quibus: i can package it if you write santi to add a license |
| 14:45.58 | Quibus | hehe, sure |
| 14:46.05 | Quibus | I haven't played nether earth yet, by the way |
| 14:46.14 | tarzeau | Quibus: it's not like i wouldn't, i just don't like to work on the licensing issues (got enough other licensing to clarify) |
| 14:46.34 | enveezee | well I successfully built the fglrx module, but now when I try start xorg with fglrx I get EE no devices found, and when I try using the ati driver I was using I get that screen 0 is not dri capable.. either way I cant start x anymore *shrugs* |
| 14:46.36 | CharminTheMoose | is there a generic usb storage module for linux 2.6?My externel harddrive brand is freecom and i can't seem to find any info on the 'net about them and linux |
| 14:46.42 | abrotman | enveezee: why are you in minnesota ? |
| 14:46.42 | tarzeau | Quibus: and http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 14:46.49 | enveezee | abrotman: i'm not |
| 14:46.52 | liable | enveezee: try the aticonfig --initial thing if you didnt already |
| 14:46.54 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:47.05 | enveezee | liable: nope never heard of aticonfig |
| 14:47.16 | liable | enveezee: they have done some weird shit with the later drivers |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | enveezee: which card is it ? |
| 14:47.44 | enveezee | liable: said found fglrx primary device section, nothing to do terminating |
| 14:47.52 | liable | enveezee: if you just add fglrx, it wont work |
| 14:47.57 | enveezee | abrotman: Rage Mobility P/M |
| 14:48.08 | abrotman | isn't that old? lspci | grep VGA |
| 14:48.09 | Quibus | tarzeau: yeah, I played bnb, last time we spoke you pointed me to it :-) |
| 14:48.10 | enveezee | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility P/M AGP 2x (rev 64) |
| 14:48.12 | liable | enveezee: i fucked with it for a while, never did really work it out |
| 14:48.17 | enveezee | abrotman: its really old |
| 14:48.17 | tarzeau | Quibus: i can try to package http://www.mtp-target.org again |
| 14:48.24 | abrotman | i *seriously* doubt you want fglrx for that |
| 14:48.30 | liable | enveezee: use radeon driver then |
| 14:48.34 | enveezee | abrotman: well I have no idea |
| 14:48.43 | abrotman | try the ati driver in xorg |
| 14:49.02 | enveezee | abrotman: thats what I was using.. but I was shooting for hardware accell |
| 14:49.09 | enveezee | abrotman: now it wont work with ati anymore |
| 14:49.12 | abrotman | the Rage doesn't have any |
| 14:49.21 | enveezee | abrotman: meh? |
| 14:49.21 | Quibus | enveezee: the fglrx drivers dont' work with old cards indeed |
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| 14:49.43 | enveezee | enveezee: it says in the xorg log that my card is 3d and supports all this crap |
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| 14:50.06 | yos87 | itchi: no such file or directory |
| 14:50.17 | itchi | yos87: ? |
| 14:50.26 | itchi | yos87: For that log file? |
| 14:50.45 | yos87 | where to past /msg/ |
| 14:50.53 | yos87 | where to past /msg pastewithoutx? |
| 14:50.54 | abrotman | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/r128.4.html |
| 14:51.15 | liable | laters |
| 14:51.36 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is etch frozen ? |
| 14:51.38 | itchi | yos87: Just write '/msg dpkg pastewithoutx' the things between the both ' ' |
| 14:51.56 | enveezee | abrotman: so I can just use r128 in xorg and I dont need to load any kernel driver? |
| 14:52.02 | abrotman | enveezee: try it and see |
| 14:52.06 | itchi | yos87: You go to send an private message to the bot dpkg, and he gona reply to you with some useful informations |
| 14:52.32 | Quibus | abrotman: there's nothing about 3D though |
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| 14:52.39 | abrotman | Quibus: yes there is |
| 14:52.50 | grimeboy | Is there a way to get screenshots to not suck on dual head in gnome? (Use KDE isn't an answer) |
| 14:52.56 | Quibus | where? Not in that r128 page you mentioned, unless I overlooked it |
| 14:53.06 | abrotman | !ss |
| 14:53.06 | dpkg | ss is probably screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 14:53.10 | abrotman | Quibus: read again |
| 14:53.14 | enveezee | abrotman: no screens found, EE no devices detected |
| 14:53.30 | abrotman | enveezee: totally fails ? |
| 14:53.45 | enveezee | abrotman: yep no device detected |
| 14:53.56 | abrotman | i doubt the fglrx even works with your Rage card |
| 14:53.57 | enveezee | abrotman: I was using the ati driver before I started fucking with shit.. now that doesnt work |
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| 14:54.15 | grimeboy | abrotman, Thanks |
| 14:54.22 | Quibus | enveezee: maybe you should undo the 'fucking with shit' |
| 14:54.38 | itchi | yos87: Got it? |
| 14:54.45 | enveezee | Quibus: I did unload the fglrx kernel module and put the config back to ati so afaik I did undo it |
| 14:54.47 | Quibus | abrotman: I read again, no diff :P |
| 14:55.03 | abrotman | hardware acceleration of drawing primitives, hardware cursor, |
| 14:55.07 | abrotman | Quibus: see that part ? |
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| 14:55.12 | Quibus | abrotman: yes, nothing to do with 3D |
| 14:55.14 | abrotman | the Rage cards are crap |
| 14:55.30 | Quibus | of course they are, they're way too old |
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| 14:55.56 | abrotman | they can do some 3d stuff .. but they're really bad |
| 14:56.06 | RichiH | suggestion for cddb editor program is? |
| 14:56.12 | RichiH | or freedb |
| 14:56.19 | RichiH | or, best of all, write it once and submit it to all |
| 14:56.36 | abrotman | http://www.nothingisreal.com/pcg-fx801 |
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| 14:56.50 | yos87 | itchi: he is answering , but what to ask |
| 14:57.08 | enveezee | FATAL: module 'mach64' not found' [drm] failed to load kernel module 'mach64' (EE) ATI(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit Failed (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 14:57.15 | enveezee | is what I get trying to use the ati driver now |
| 14:57.25 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:57.28 | enveezee | yep |
| 14:57.31 | enveezee | it sucks |
| 14:57.32 | enveezee | heh |
| 14:57.50 | enveezee | so I guess ati is the one and only driver for this card |
| 14:57.50 | abrotman | maybe cause the fglrx module is loaded ? |
| 14:58.00 | enveezee | and apperently something fucked with this mach64 thing |
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| 14:58.05 | enveezee | I unloaded fglrx |
| 14:58.23 | abrotman | reinstall the driver |
| 14:58.28 | enveezee | how |
| 14:58.40 | enveezee | reinstall the kernel image? |
| 14:58.44 | Quibus | mach64 should be in libdrm, I think |
| 14:58.44 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install |
| 14:58.55 | Quibus | aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 14:58.59 | enveezee | --reinstall what :P |
| 14:59.17 | abrotman | !find mach64.ko etch |
| 14:59.18 | itchi | yos87: I not understand you |
| 14:59.22 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know what ispell is used for? |
| 14:59.30 | CharminTheMoose | is ispell used in mozilla? |
| 14:59.44 | abrotman | libgl1-mesa-dri: usr/lib/dri/mach64_dri.so |
| 14:59.46 | itchi | yos87: Just read what he told you, to paste your error message so we can help you to setup x ... |
| 14:59.46 | Quibus | CharminTheMoose: well, for spell checking :-) |
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| 14:59.51 | enveezee | Quibus: its already the newest version I guess I should reinstall it? |
| 15:00.16 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 15:00.44 | Quibus | enveezee: why don't you just buy a second hand r300 based card for say 25 USD? |
| 15:00.57 | enveezee | Quibus: its a laptop ass :P |
| 15:01.09 | Quibus | arfs |
| 15:01.19 | enveezee | what am I gonna do get a big chip soldering iron and take the northbridge chip off ? |
| 15:01.31 | Quibus | try that :-) |
| 15:01.32 | abrotman | reinstall the above package ? |
| 15:01.33 | enveezee | heh |
| 15:01.54 | enveezee | abrotman: working on it |
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| 15:02.23 | abrotman | faster fatass! |
| 15:02.35 | yos87 | itchi: he did not told me anything |
| 15:02.36 | enveezee | abrotman: basically what I am getting from all this.. is no opengl, no 3d accell, all 2d-side-scrolling games for this laptop |
| 15:02.49 | abrotman | duh |
| 15:02.53 | abrotman | software 3d |
| 15:03.01 | itchi | !tell yos87 -about pastewithoutx |
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| 15:03.12 | enveezee | well I reinstalled libgl1-mesa-blah and its still throwing the fatal |
| 15:03.16 | itchi | yos87: Now yes :-p |
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| 15:03.36 | itchi | yos87: Maybe you did an typo above |
| 15:03.50 | abrotman | see .. this is why we don't mess with fglrx/nvidia crap :) |
| 15:03.55 | enveezee | maybe I need to reinstall the kernel or uninstall the fglrx crap |
| 15:04.10 | Quibus | definatley uninstall the fglrx crap |
| 15:04.13 | mahtava_matt | where can i get help with debian-live? |
| 15:04.14 | kspath | enveezee, maybe get a hammer and smash it? |
| 15:04.35 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 15:04.35 | dpkg | i heard livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 15:05.02 | enveezee | kspath: its already got cracks and shit from where its been abused.. and thats not going to make me feel any better anyhow |
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| 15:06.27 | mahtava_matt | abrotman: i have found the site but i am looking for help in getting it working on a usb stick |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 15:06.52 | dpkg | usb-install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 15:06.54 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 15:07.08 | limpio | hi all, is there a channel for hardware? |
| 15:07.15 | asg | limpio: #hardware or ##hardware |
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| 15:07.16 | abrotman | #hardware .. oddly enough |
| 15:07.21 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 15:07.24 | limpio | asg, thx |
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| 15:07.28 | enveezee | well I guess I am gonna have to reboot.. I uninstalled fglrx-* and reinstalled the linux image.. needs to reboot to recreate the modules.dep |
| 15:07.41 | abrotman | depmod -a |
| 15:07.47 | enveezee | its doing that now |
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| 15:08.11 | enveezee | but it warned me that I was installing the same kernel that was running.. blah blah blah |
| 15:08.30 | mahtava_matt | how do i put the iso i have downloadd from the site onto a usb stick and get debian running live from it? |
| 15:09.02 | enveezee | bah it err'd out on me |
| 15:09.09 | abrotman | possibly ask #debian-live on OFTC |
| 15:09.36 | mahtava_matt | cool, thanks |
| 15:09.44 | enveezee | it would be funny if a few dozen people went there and asked their questions because you dont know how to address people specifically |
| 15:10.01 | itchi | yos87: Got you it pasted? Looks like you got some troubles |
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| 15:10.24 | enveezee | ah, fucking fuck fuck fuck. the damn reinstall of the linux image is failing because it cant create a fucking initrd symlink and it doesnt even say why |
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| 15:11.34 | yos87 | itchi: dpkg send me to weblink, when I open it , it say the page you are looking for not found |
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| 15:12.07 | abrotman | enveezee: you left out a 'fuckity' |
| 15:12.30 | enveezee | what the hell could possibly be the problem creating a damn symlink from /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-3-686 -> /initrd.img |
| 15:12.47 | enveezee | I am about to change the fucking exit code on the script and run it again |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | are you using lilo ? |
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| 15:13.19 | enveezee | no grub, and its not even getting that far its farting on creating the link to the initrd |
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| 15:13.20 | itchi | yos87: Maybe is w3m http://pastebin.ca/upload.php a bit more clear?? |
| 15:13.43 | erikyy3 | i am trying to compile a special kenrel driver package. it sais File not found: /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/build/.config why does this file not exist ??? |
| 15:13.55 | abrotman | grub doesn't use the symlinks |
| 15:14.18 | enveezee | so what.. the fucker is already there.. I am reinstalling the running kernel |
| 15:14.28 | enveezee | the point is its err'n out over nothing |
| 15:14.35 | yos87 | itchi: i'm doing that from another pc, how to transfer the file? |
| 15:14.36 | enveezee | and not even saying why it cant create the symlink |
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| 15:14.45 | cahoot | erikyy3, IIRC you might need kbuild |
| 15:14.53 | itchi | yos87: Do it on the concerned computer with ssh? |
| 15:15.20 | yos87 | itchi: no, one is wondows, the other debian |
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| 15:15.57 | yos87 | itchi: do i get value if i do apt-reconfigure all ? |
| 15:16.12 | itchi | yos87: Otherwise you can try "scp myuser@mycomp:/var/log/XFree86* /tmp/" |
| 15:16.23 | itchi | yos87: To copy the stuff from one computer to another |
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| 15:16.47 | itchi | yos87: hhhm, wait,(had miss an line) |
| 15:16.54 | kspath | yos87, winscp? securecrt? ... |
| 15:17.02 | erikyy3 | cahoot: i installed kbuild. no changes |
| 15:17.12 | Jimmymaniac | do i need to do something for tasksel to work? i do "tasksel install desktop" and it just sits there with the progressbar at 0% |
| 15:17.16 | erikyy3 | cahoot: do you have any .config file in /lib/modules or a "build" directory there? |
| 15:17.22 | itchi | yos87: Download putty and try to learn it fast (It's easy to do) Maybe with 'Winscp' it's the easiest |
| 15:17.26 | yos87 | kspath: I dont know winscp , securecert J |
| 15:17.38 | Jimmymaniac | apt is working, what else should i check? |
| 15:17.47 | itchi | yos87: winscp is selfexplainatory when you use it |
| 15:17.58 | cahoot | erikyy3, it's a symlink to my kernel src |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: does your internet work ? |
| 15:18.12 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: honestly .. don't use tasksel |
| 15:18.20 | erikyy3 | cahoot???? |
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| 15:18.29 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: what desktop are you trying to use ? |
| 15:18.32 | abrotman | !tell leor_ about root |
| 15:18.34 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: ok, better plain apt-get then |
| 15:18.41 | abrotman | or better still . use aptitude |
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| 15:19.05 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: have never used it, i may as well learn :) |
| 15:19.09 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 15:19.09 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 15:19.24 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: which desopt do you want ? |
| 15:19.31 | abrotman | desktop |
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| 15:19.58 | yos87 | itchi: can't I review what you want from the log file? |
| 15:20.15 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: i prefer the lightweight stuff, before the reinstall i had fluxbox and was happy with it, but wanna have at hand some kde stuff like k3b |
| 15:20.25 | itchi | yos87: You want first copy a file form Debian to Windows, so use winscp, it's the easiest |
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| 15:20.28 | cahoot_ | erikyy3: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build is a symlink to my kernel src dir |
| 15:20.42 | lero_ | hey anyone using compiz+gnome? |
| 15:20.44 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: aptitude install xdm x-window-system fluxbox k3b ... etc |
| 15:20.52 | Gnurdux | !moo |
| 15:20.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:20.56 | lero_ | i do the steps, but when i call "compiz --replace" it kills metacity! |
| 15:21.02 | CharminTheMoose | you can get windows every where......except in nebraska! |
| 15:21.15 | yos87 | itchi: couldn't find package winscp |
| 15:21.16 | CharminTheMoose | man that ad cracks me up |
| 15:21.26 | itchi | yos87: Or if you want you can do an ssh connection with putty from Windows to that Debian box |
| 15:21.32 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: good, better that than to try to fix tasksel :) |
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| 15:21.36 | Gnurdux | !no, moo is <reply> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:21.36 | dpkg | Gnurdux: okay |
| 15:21.37 | itchi | yos87: Wait, install that on you Win box http://winscp.net/eng/download.php |
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| 15:23.04 | Jimmymaniac | 97 Mb, i may as well go for a coffee or something :) |
| 15:24.30 | lero_ | nobody using compiz? |
| 15:25.03 | Jimmymaniac | lero_: don't have the hardware to try it out for now, must upgrade :( |
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| 15:25.51 | lero_ | i just installed it right now.. running on gforce 2 mx 32mb :D |
| 15:26.03 | lero_ | at work, using etch worked ok, but here using unstable not :/ |
| 15:26.11 | Quibus | lero_: AFAIK, compiz should indeed replace metacity and hence kill it |
| 15:26.18 | enveezee | I dont know but after looking at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.18-3-686.postinst I am pretty sure this fucking crap I got is a bug .. it seems this script tells the fucker to not make symlinks if reinstalling |
| 15:26.19 | lero_ | when you start compiz --replace, it kills metacity and gnome doesn't respond |
| 15:26.44 | Quibus | see you laer |
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| 15:26.50 | enveezee | I still havent found an easy solution to fix my package system and make this fucking script exit sucessfully.. I am about to put exit 0 at the top and dpkg --pending --configure |
| 15:27.04 | asg | that's the spirit |
| 15:27.07 | yos87 | itchi: i install it |
| 15:27.11 | enveezee | asg: heh |
| 15:27.13 | pumpkin0 | lero_: did you check the theme compiz loads is installed ? Is the driver aiglx-enabled ... ? |
| 15:27.30 | itchi | yos87: ;-) It's easy to use, look the screenshots http://winscp.net/eng/docs/screenshots |
| 15:27.32 | lero_ | pumpkin0, i installed nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx |
| 15:27.44 | lero_ | and using nvidia as driver for X... don't know about aixgl |
| 15:27.54 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 15:28.09 | lero_ | yeah i step like this wiki |
| 15:28.24 | lero_ | i can't use the nvidia driver with it? |
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| 15:28.36 | abrotman | it has a special section for the nvidia binary crap |
| 15:29.01 | lero_ | i put them on xorg.conf |
| 15:29.02 | enveezee | asg: sorry, exit 0; I didnt realize it was a perl script at first :P |
| 15:29.12 | lero_ | (II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is |
| 15:29.19 | lero_ | and i think it's ok at the xorg part |
| 15:29.23 | asg | enveezee: ah, hehe |
| 15:29.45 | yos87 | itchi: could'nt find host, what port should be? |
| 15:29.46 | yos87 | 22 |
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| 15:30.04 | itchi | yos87: Yes |
| 15:30.05 | enveezee | asg: not only did I need the ; but I also couldnt put it at the top because it would bitch that the script wasnt in the proper format .. had to put it on line 26 |
| 15:30.11 | CharminTheMoose | strange,evilwm crapped out on me for the first time... |
| 15:30.33 | itchi | yos87: Leace the default setting, just enter the ip/username/passwd of the remote computer |
| 15:30.36 | is_null | cureless: hello, my IDE cable (i ignore the english cable name for this) was defectous and wouldn't allow grub to load ! |
| 15:30.41 | Groggy | !kernel |
| 15:30.42 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.19.1, prepatch: 2.6.20-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.20-rc1-git11, 2.4: 2.4.33.7, prepatch: 2.4.34-rc4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc1-mm1 |
| 15:30.59 | enveezee | asg: I use this exit code mandering to solve package breakage often.. though I sense there should be a better way |
| 15:31.01 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:31.01 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:31.03 | yos87 | itchi: no ip fill |
| 15:31.06 | abrotman | is_null: fix your cable |
| 15:31.17 | asg | enveezee: are you running etch? |
| 15:31.17 | yos87 | itchi: where to put the ip |
| 15:31.22 | enveezee | asg: yes |
| 15:31.29 | abrotman | asg: ironically .. not much is running :) |
| 15:31.35 | enveezee | stfu |
| 15:31.36 | asg | enveezee: it shouldn't be a problem after the release |
| 15:31.37 | enveezee | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.45 | enveezee | asg: why is that? |
| 15:31.45 | itchi | yos87: I look on the screenshots, there's an capture about it |
| 15:32.00 | nekostar | do te do |
| 15:32.01 | Jimmymaniac | do the debian kernels have the bootsplash niceties already patched in? or do i have to recompile and stuff? |
| 15:32.20 | asg | enveezee: if it's a real bug, it should be fixed. /var/lib/dpkg/* hackage is rarely needed in stable builds |
| 15:32.26 | itchi | yos87: Look in the 'Session' menu (or last screenshot) |
| 15:32.49 | is_null | abrotman: thank you, this is how i figured that out, after hours of wrestling :p but i know cureless wrestled also |
| 15:33.06 | enveezee | asg: yeah well I seen a section in the script where it was suppose to check if it was a reinstall, uninstall..etc where it should not create the symlinks.. but it tried to do it any way |
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| 15:33.35 | mstuefer | hi, is there someone using a apple 23" cinema display on debian? |
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| 15:33.48 | enveezee | I gotta try rebooting this fucker to see if X will work again |
| 15:33.51 | yos87 | itchi: I did |
| 15:33.55 | yos87 | I wil past now |
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| 15:34.35 | yos87 | itchi: it's very nice system |
| 15:34.42 | yos87 | itchi: I Past it |
| 15:34.49 | ludwig42 | where can i find a debian installer with 2.6.18+? the etch netinstall image uses the 2.6.17 kernel |
| 15:35.04 | yos87 | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/289939 |
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| 15:36.17 | mstuefer | hi, is there someone using a apple 23" cinema display on debian? I have some problems with X but I don't know if it is the xorg configuration giving me problems or the ati x1600 pro I'm using. x startx but the right half of the monitor is something like flickering... could someone help me? |
| 15:36.22 | itchi | yos87: The driver you use does not support 24 depth colors |
| 15:36.34 | CharminTheMoose | if my externel harddrive needs a driver/or other software to use on a windows machine,does that mean i can't use it on linux?in terms of compatibility? |
| 15:36.39 | yos87 | itchi: how did you know? |
| 15:36.50 | itchi | yos87: It's noted in the log file you pasted |
| 15:36.57 | asg | mstuefer: you *may* need to use a PanelSize option field in xorg.conf if the card can't tell the size by itself. |
| 15:37.01 | itchi | yos87: Line 406 |
| 15:37.23 | itchi | yos87: What gfx card have you? |
| 15:37.26 | yos87 | itchi: yea |
| 15:37.47 | itchi | yos87: Maybe you want 'putty' now on your MS box |
| 15:37.48 | mstuefer | asg: Option "PanelSize" "1920x1200" included :( |
| 15:37.55 | asg | ah, okay |
| 15:38.04 | yos87 | itchi: what is putty |
| 15:38.21 | itchi | yos87: Yust download it, extract it, and near the same usage as winscp, just that winscp is to copy stuff, putty is to make an connection |
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| 15:38.51 | itchi | yos87: Once your connected from your Win box to your Debian, you can do near what you want on you Debian box remotely |
| 15:39.00 | yos87 | itchi: sorry, do you have a link where to download putty? |
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| 15:39.20 | itchi | yos87: The first hit in google :-p |
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| 15:39.23 | yos87 | itchi: thank you for all that |
| 15:39.42 | itchi | yos87: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html But download that compressed file that contain all these little tools |
| 15:40.18 | itchi | yos87: Here http://www.tartarus.org/~simon/putty-snapshots/x86/putty.zip |
| 15:40.49 | itchi | yos87: You need to make an connection from you Win box to Debian, you need to modify somehtings remotely |
| 15:41.26 | yos87 | itchi: I login |
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| 15:42.54 | abrotman | heh .. i couldn't even start X :) |
| 15:43.34 | yos87 | itchi: I log in, what to do now |
| 15:44.31 | itchi | yos87: You need to change of use, switch to root user (admin) with 'su' |
| 15:44.38 | itchi | s/use/user/ |
| 15:44.41 | yos87 | i did |
| 15:44.44 | abrotman | wait .. i'll try to do it again |
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| 15:44.48 | smacnay_ | is aterm capable of international characters? |
| 15:45.00 | itchi | yos87: then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 15:45.21 | CharminTheMoose | if my externel harddrive needs a driver/or other software to use on a windows machine,does that mean i can't use it on linux?in terms of compatibility? |
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| 15:45.54 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: if a USB-drive needs a driver under XP you should throw it away. |
| 15:46.09 | yos87 | itchi: i knew the steps ,which step should be change to depth, and what depth sould i put |
| 15:46.24 | itchi | yos87: You need to select an more approprieate driver |
| 15:46.30 | yos87 | itchi; select the driver: I will choose vga |
| 15:46.41 | itchi | yos87: Wich gfx card have you? |
| 15:46.47 | itchi | yos87: Wait |
| 15:46.48 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: it doesn't, even if whatever you have suggests differently |
| 15:46.51 | yos87 | ok |
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| 15:47.52 | yos87 | itchi: i'm waitting |
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| 15:48.47 | itchi | yos87: Sorry, im not so fast :-p |
| 15:49.11 | yos87 | itchi: me is the slow ! |
| 15:49.20 | itchi | yos87: Just follow the steps, near the end you can define the depth you want to use. The driver you use can not do more as 16 bits depth colors |
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| 15:49.55 | liri | hey abrotman |
| 15:50.05 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:50.10 | itchi | yos87: You would probably use an more appropriated driver, so that you can use 24 depth i guess. But maybe for later, yeah you can use these you have tryed, but with some sequences |
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| 15:50.53 | blondie | itchi: "an" is only used before a word that starts with a vowel sound ;) |
| 15:51.19 | itchi | blondie: Theres to many geek rules :-) |
| 15:52.08 | itchi | Maybe, i gona start an NOTE.english, i feel it, so good tips i got here :-) |
| 15:53.23 | blondie | s/an/a/ :P |
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| 15:53.38 | itchi | Yeah, i should studie it, yeah, blondie got the same reaction |
| 15:53.44 | itchi | hehe |
| 15:53.54 | blondie | study |
| 15:54.01 | itchi | hehe |
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| 15:56.54 | yos87 | itchi: again arror http://pastebin.ca/289958 |
| 15:57.17 | yos87 | itchi: I should keep trying till get it, but I knew that the problem from the vga right |
| 15:57.55 | dvs | yos87: 16-bit depth on a VGA driver? |
| 15:58.00 | itchi | yos87: hhhmm, also not 16 depth are supported by that driver, crazy, yeah take another one |
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| 15:58.38 | dvs | yos87: pick vesa |
| 15:58.38 | yos87 | itchi , dvs , debian worked before in this machine by the way |
| 15:58.50 | yos87 | I didn't take attention what depth I choose |
| 15:59.07 | wfq | hello |
| 15:59.17 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, it's just that driver is not appropriated, but why use you not one made for your gfx card? I still not know what kind of card you have :-) See lspci |
| 15:59.38 | itchi | yos87: Or is it an 'basic' gfx card? |
| 15:59.55 | wfq | i am going to download debian from swedish ftp. Which version shoul i download from this place? which one do you recommend me, please? |
| 16:00.23 | yos87 | itchi: actually , I don't know what the gfx card i have , it's laptop bytheway |
| 16:00.26 | Groggy | wtq use jigdo and download from close fast source |
| 16:00.38 | Groggy | *wfq |
| 16:00.43 | itchi | yos87: Just do lspci and pastebin the output or so |
| 16:00.51 | pumpkin0 | wfq: for newer desktop PC, for older desktop or for server ? |
| 16:01.02 | wfq | it is for laptop |
| 16:01.12 | limpio | yos87, i'm using a PII 266 with a 4 Mb video ram, depth=15 |
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| 16:01.40 | pumpkin0 | wfq: will it have internet during install ? |
| 16:01.40 | wfq | yes |
| 16:01.40 | wfq | i do |
| 16:01.40 | wfq | i will |
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| 16:01.40 | stoned | limpio, I'm looking at a 200mhz powerbook 3400c running sarge |
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| 16:01.41 | wfq | i don't need the last cd's |
| 16:01.41 | stoned | with X |
| 16:02.02 | Groggy | wfq with jigdo u can 'update' your old cd's |
| 16:02.06 | Groggy | saves bw ;) |
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| 16:02.21 | Tidus | wfq: if i install debian, i usually use the 'testing' branch |
| 16:02.24 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 16:02.24 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 16:02.25 | Tidus | which in this case is etch |
| 16:02.30 | limpio | stoned, try 15 as the depth |
| 16:02.42 | pumpkin0 | wfq: install etch (=testing) and use the netinstall-iso => http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:03.03 | stoned | !dpkg |
| 16:03.03 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
| 16:03.14 | limpio | stoned, i tried 16 but it doesn't work |
| 16:03.18 | yos87 | itchi , dvs , limpio :http://pastebin.ca/289968 |
| 16:03.21 | JB[away] | !bug |
| 16:03.21 | dpkg | well, bug is bad news |
| 16:03.39 | JB[away] | !bug 404194 |
| 16:03.39 | dpkg | bug 404194 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404194 |
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| 16:03.54 | wfq | ok thanks friends. |
| 16:03.59 | dvs | yos87: try the "radeon" driver |
| 16:04.02 | itchi | yos87: ati or readeon |
| 16:04.04 | JB[away] | have any of you the same bug on etch? |
| 16:04.14 | abrotman | !dbugs 404194 |
| 16:04.16 | dvs | itchi: readeon? ;-) |
| 16:04.17 | dpkg | #:N[aptitude] ; Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:48:01 UTC |
| 16:04.24 | abrotman | nice descriptive bug |
| 16:04.27 | enveezee | what I need I guess is this "mach64" support to get any direct rendering out of this POS. but apperently its currently insecure so its not built by default. so unless I can find debian kernel, xorg, and mesa/dri packages with mach64 support I guess I am hanging this one up |
| 16:04.34 | itchi | dvs: I not realy know that card :-) |
| 16:04.39 | enveezee | there is no way I am recompiling all that crap just for this shitty gpu |
| 16:04.56 | itchi | dvs: I look on a box, where it is already ;-) |
| 16:05.25 | abrotman | JB[away]: if that's your bug .. fix it |
| 16:06.29 | JB[away] | if i can ;) @abrotman |
| 16:06.34 | Groggy | :) |
| 16:06.39 | abrotman | they have a way to retitle reports |
| 16:07.12 | Tidus | i didn't even know that the mach64 had dri |
| 16:07.35 | JB[away] | mhhhh, tell me please |
| 16:07.41 | PerfDave | If you can get it to work, then arbeit mach dri |
| 16:07.50 | pumpkin0 | enveezee: with that card: go vesa + softwareMesa / 3D. |
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| 16:08.41 | enveezee | pumpkin0: I have no idea what softwaremesa is I am using the ati driver now |
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| 16:10.13 | pumpkin0 | enveezee: you can have openGL in hardware or in software. Since the card is very slow there is little/no advantage in using hardware OpenGL. Mesa has a good software OpenGL-"emu", use it. |
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| 16:10.37 | enveezee | pumpkin0: and how do I use it |
| 16:11.18 | yos87 | itchi : again errors |
| 16:11.28 | enveezee | and how does this provide any benefit if I am software rendering I might as well just remove all my 3d packages now.. cause they arent going to be any faster than they are now without rendering |
| 16:11.33 | pumpkin0 | enveezee: install any driver, do not bother with dri. The stock install will give you software OpenGL right away. |
| 16:11.33 | itchi | yos87: Pastebin :-p |
| 16:11.39 | yos87 | itchi: where are you from? |
| 16:11.46 | itchi | yos87: Belgium |
| 16:11.57 | yos87 | itchi: give me you mobile number? |
| 16:12.07 | itchi | yos87: No, i can not do that, sorry |
| 16:12.13 | yos87 | ok |
| 16:12.16 | yos87 | it's ok |
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| 16:12.25 | enveezee | pumpkin0: I dunno, I am just gonna remove all the 3d apps, they arent going to work on here |
| 16:12.46 | Groggy | enveezee |
| 16:12.48 | Groggy | dont |
| 16:12.53 | itchi | yos87: Just pastebin your error, us here gona help you ;-) |
| 16:12.56 | Groggy | its just a temporary problem |
| 16:13.07 | dvs | itchi: speak for yourself? ;-) |
| 16:13.14 | yos87 | itchi: I'm so thanks |
| 16:13.20 | itchi | dvs: :-p |
| 16:13.24 | yos87 | itchi ; http://pastebin.ca/289977 |
| 16:13.32 | CharminTheMoose | if my externel harddrive needs a driver/or other software to use on a windows machine,does that mean i can't use it on linux?in terms of compatibility? |
| 16:13.39 | Groggy | enzevee if ur running etch then you might had the xorg and or kernel update wich screws up ur ati driver |
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| 16:13.57 | itchi | yos87: Look |
| 16:14.01 | itchi | !fixed |
| 16:14.01 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7, or a bad remix of a good ep |
| 16:14.03 | enveezee | Groggy: no I just have a shitty video card |
| 16:14.27 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: if a USB-drive needs a driver under XP you should throw it away. |
| 16:14.35 | enveezee | Groggy: to get the hardware rendering I need mach64 which isnt in any of debian's kernel, xorg, or mesa packages |
| 16:15.10 | Groggy | enveezee eh :) i had this problem too with descent card.. it all worked but not anymore. Now i need to either wait for a new kernel module that fits the kernel or revert the kernel |
| 16:15.42 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, looks like you had some troubles acumulated :-p, i think this is near the last one :-) |
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| 16:15.46 | enveezee | Groggy: and there is no way you can run anything on here with the ati driver and software rendering.. torcs, bzflag, tuxracer..etc not going to work |
| 16:15.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: does ff2 also render crap like this? http://cow.ethz.ch/ff2-crap-rendering.png |
| 16:15.57 | abrotman | i don't have FF2 |
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| 16:16.17 | gravity | enveezee: I thought that mach64 is included in our mesa builds... |
| 16:16.34 | gravity | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.38 | gravity | /usr/lib/dri/mach64_dri.so |
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| 16:16.52 | krazykit | tarzeau: it's obviously a font kerning issue... you probably want to install the microsoft core fonts |
| 16:16.54 | enveezee | gravity: I am just going by what the dri website says about how insecure mach64 is and the fact that xorg bitches that it cant find it in my log |
| 16:16.57 | gravity | enveezee: That's in etch and sid at any rate |
| 16:16.59 | itchi | yos87: Know you what you should need to do? |
| 16:17.09 | enveezee | gravity: so then all I need is the kernel module? |
| 16:17.18 | Enquest | Can I set backport for everything that is php5? |
| 16:17.22 | yos87 | itchi: let me know please |
| 16:17.28 | gravity | enveezee: What xorg driver are you running? |
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| 16:17.32 | enveezee | gravity: or I need the xorg driver and a kernel module |
| 16:17.33 | Enquest | Or do i need to do it for each packeds |
| 16:17.35 | itchi | yos87: Just reinstall xfonts-base |
| 16:17.36 | enveezee | gravity: I am using ati |
| 16:17.51 | itchi | yos87: Maybe you should first purge it too |
| 16:18.00 | gravity | enveezee: Ok, that should be fine. I've never actually run that driver, but I'd imagine you need the kernel module loaded |
| 16:18.13 | tarzeau | krazykit: they are not free |
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| 16:18.17 | itchi | yos87: Tell when it's not clear enought ;-) |
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| 16:18.25 | tarzeau | krazykit: the same fonts look great in non-gtk software |
| 16:18.32 | yos87 | I make apt-get install xfotns-base , he is downloading |
| 16:18.34 | enveezee | gravity: well I gotta find the kernel module.. its not even in my debian kernel's config I am not sure if its in the vanilla source |
| 16:18.38 | gravity | enveezee: I don't see that in the debian stock kernel though |
| 16:18.38 | tarzeau | krazykit: do you really think it's a font problem and not a mozilla one? |
| 16:18.39 | krazykit | tarzeau: then file a bug. |
| 16:18.45 | gravity | enveezee: Yeah, I don't know |
| 16:18.46 | itchi | yos87: Okay, so ... wait :-) |
| 16:18.52 | tarzeau | krazykit: how can i be sure it's not a font problem? |
| 16:18.53 | yos87 | itchi: it's verynice to use putty |
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| 16:18.59 | itchi | yos87: :-p |
| 16:19.10 | yos87 | itchi: if i know this, I will not buy a movable chair |
| 16:19.18 | krazykit | tarzeau: i got the same nasty kerning issue in xfce4-terminal with the same fonts. fixed it by using a different one. |
| 16:19.19 | itchi | hehe |
| 16:19.29 | tarzeau | krazykit: but i want this font |
| 16:19.32 | gravity | enveezee: The xorg and mesa support should be there though, aiui |
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| 16:19.37 | tarzeau | krazykit: is this ttf-dejavu? |
| 16:19.39 | itchi | yos87: Can you imagine login in to an box the other side of the world :-) |
| 16:19.43 | krazykit | tarzeau: yup. |
| 16:19.55 | enveezee | gravity: I am not sure if its even worth it.. the main concerns I have is being able to watch video files, dvds, and scale them fullscren without a/v sync loss, and maybe to play some of the nicer games we have |
| 16:19.59 | yos87 | itchi: i can keep it at home |
| 16:20.16 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:admittedly the packaging doesn't say driver it says software cd.... |
| 16:20.19 | yos87 | itchi: it's much easer then windows and windows server |
| 16:20.20 | CharminTheMoose | so i can't really be sure |
| 16:20.28 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, but you can use it over Internet. Take you are at work and you want to access some stuff at home ... |
| 16:20.38 | yos87 | itchi: windows server , or windows you need to send invitation to the administrator to help you |
| 16:20.49 | gravity | enveezee: I don't know if DRI will help you with the videos. I don't think that driver has XvMC support |
| 16:20.50 | krazykit | tarzeau: i'd suggest, then, testing the font in a qt app as well, and trying a few other Free fonts and see if the error comes back. if not, it's a font issue. |
| 16:20.53 | enveezee | gravity: right now I cant even dream of running any games that have anything like you know textures, or lighting and stuff.. and if I play a video clip I had better leave it somewhere near its actual resolution unless I want to lose a/v sync or drop frames |
| 16:20.58 | tarzeau | krazykit: same font in TextEdit works perfect |
| 16:20.58 | yos87 | itchi: But you need to buy ip address |
| 16:21.02 | tarzeau | krazykit: it can't be the font |
| 16:21.14 | yos87 | itchi: i think it's expensive |
| 16:21.16 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, that some stuff near 'vnc', but you can install that to on an GNU/Linux box |
| 16:21.34 | yos87 | itchi: what is the vnc? |
| 16:21.40 | itchi | yos87: No, not need to buy an ip, you can use free stuff. no-ip, dydns and so |
| 16:21.53 | yos87 | itchi: ? |
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| 16:22.13 | yos87 | itchi: how you will connect without fix IP |
| 16:22.16 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: so my guess is: it will work. |
| 16:22.26 | yos87 | itchi: what is the dynamic dns? |
| 16:22.28 | krazykit | tarzeau: then it's probably a bug in mozilla's rendering engine, whatever it's using these days. freetype? pango? i dunno. |
| 16:22.29 | itchi | yos87: Also if you not make use of an domain name, just look wich ip you have, does not matter if it's an dynamic one or not |
| 16:22.42 | tarzeau | krazykit: http://cow.ethz.ch/textedit-great-gnustep-rendering.png |
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| 16:22.51 | tarzeau | krazykit: gnustep also uses freetype |
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| 16:23.01 | tarzeau | krazykit: no idea what shit mozilla does. what's pango? gtk? |
| 16:23.06 | gravity | Everything uses freetype |
| 16:23.12 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:then again,my netopia router came with a window driver to set it up on windows...I suppose i'll have to try.... |
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| 16:23.22 | itchi | yos87: Look http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/ the domain name i got for free, yeah, maybe not nice the name but why should it matter in my case :-) |
| 16:23.49 | gravity | Even pango uses freetype |
| 16:23.50 | itchi | yos87: dydns look to be are going to die, just discovered right now |
| 16:24.00 | tarzeau | gravity: but maybe they do something wrong? |
| 16:24.06 | itchi | Or it is already |
| 16:24.12 | gravity | tarzeau: Sure |
| 16:24.17 | yos87 | itchi: I also have domainname |
| 16:24.21 | CharminTheMoose | itchi:why are dyndns gonna die? |
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| 16:24.30 | enveezee | gravity: Its probably not worth the effort.. looks like this laptop is restricted to pingus, frozenbubble2, and supertux :P |
| 16:24.30 | itchi | CharminTheMoose: Look http://www.dydns.com/ |
| 16:24.30 | tarzeau | gravity: obvisouly ff2 renders these fonts like crap, wheras gnustep doesn't |
| 16:24.43 | yos87 | itchi: free without adds |
| 16:24.52 | gravity | enveezee: Yeah |
| 16:25.14 | gravity | tarzeau: Yeah, I've seen font rendering bugs in firefox too |
| 16:25.16 | itchi | yos87: Installed to fonts? |
| 16:25.21 | gravity | I've never bothered to track them down |
| 16:25.24 | itchi | the* |
| 16:25.29 | CharminTheMoose | damn that's annoying |
| 16:25.36 | tarzeau | gravity: file a bug |
| 16:25.42 | tarzeau | gravity: or shall i? |
| 16:25.43 | yos87 | itchi: I finished, it again give error and I'm pastebin.ca it |
| 16:25.46 | yos87 | (:- |
| 16:25.49 | enveezee | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.52 | itchi | yos87: ;-) |
| 16:25.59 | gravity | tarzeau: Go for it. I don't have any specific issues right now |
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| 16:26.10 | tarzeau | gravity: k i will |
| 16:26.20 | tarzeau | gravity: if bugs.debian.org comes back to life |
| 16:26.22 | gravity | Cool |
| 16:26.26 | gravity | heh |
| 16:26.34 | enveezee | I have no experience with x programming, but I doubt I could fuck it up.. its already the fugliest interface I've seen since the 90s |
| 16:27.04 | gravity | enveezee: I agree. I stopped playing that game because it's so ugly and buggy |
| 16:27.08 | gravity | Although I love it |
| 16:27.30 | enveezee | gravity: I hadnt noticed any bugs.. unless you mean cheating.. heh |
| 16:27.51 | gravity | enveezee: Well, it looked horrific when resized, iirc |
| 16:27.53 | enveezee | gravity: but I cant even fit the window on the screen on this laptop.. and its not even resizable or scrollable |
| 16:28.03 | gravity | Or didn't allow resizing. Something like that. |
| 16:28.09 | gravity | Yeah, that was it then :-) |
| 16:28.15 | protocol1 | what ports does gnomemeeting use |
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| 16:28.26 | yos87 | itchi: http://pastebin.ca/289996 |
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| 16:28.31 | gravity | heh |
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| 16:30.30 | yos87 | itchi: anytime you might go , please give a link you have about that ddns you talk about, to find you pc ip |
| 16:30.41 | yos87 | that I can read |
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| 16:31.01 | itchi | yos87: If you only need to know your ip, try to do an google search on 'what is my ip' |
| 16:31.03 | enveezee | I can see myself filing an assload of bug reports.. I never get around to actually testing shit on my own system.. it takes me getting someone elses computer to find bugs |
| 16:31.36 | CharminTheMoose | greetings enouf |
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| 16:31.55 | enouf | !greet me |
| 16:31.55 | dpkg | Hello, enouf |
| 16:31.59 | enveezee | I installed something called vdrift. which seemed to be packaged wrong... doesnt have menu files, and the data conflicts with the binaries |
| 16:32.01 | enouf | Hola all :-) |
| 16:32.08 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: ++ |
| 16:32.11 | itchi | yos87: Which card had you again? |
| 16:32.17 | enveezee | havent checked to see if that was filed yet.. |
| 16:32.18 | CharminTheMoose | ++? |
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| 16:32.46 | enouf | nm .. nothing unless I added a ! in front of your nick |
| 16:32.53 | yos87 | itchi: not whatismyip, you talk about the vnt thank you can remote your pc without buying ip |
| 16:33.03 | loopdee | how to use dd to create an image over 2GB on a samba share? is the share not allowing the file over 2gb or is it dd ? |
| 16:33.04 | yos87 | itchi: i think i choose ati |
| 16:33.12 | yos87 | itchi : i will do it again |
| 16:33.14 | CharminTheMoose | indeed |
| 16:33.22 | abrotman | loopdee: what filesystem on the host? |
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| 16:33.36 | loopdee | abrotman: i think either ext2 or 3 |
| 16:33.44 | itchi | yos87: I got it back in the history, |
| 16:33.53 | itchi | yos87: Looks like your card does not support 3D |
| 16:33.55 | abrotman | loopdee: how old ? |
| 16:33.55 | yos87 | itchi: I didn't delete the xfonts, I just make apt-get intall xfonts-base |
| 16:34.06 | itchi | yos87: Line 635 |
| 16:34.07 | loopdee | abrotman: debian sarge just installed a month ago or so |
| 16:34.14 | yos87 | itchi: but debian was working before in same machine |
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| 16:34.41 | abrotman | loopdee: might be a SMB limitation |
| 16:34.53 | tarzeau | loopdee: use no smbfs but cifs |
| 16:35.11 | loopdee | abrotman: ok |
| 16:35.12 | tarzeau | loopdee: dd has no such limit |
| 16:35.13 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, it's not because 3D is not supported, that it completely not goes. No, it's just that 3D (at this stage) |
| 16:35.27 | yos87 | itchi: you are reading all lines !!! |
| 16:35.36 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 16:35.36 | dpkg | from memory, debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 16:35.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: where's the URL ? |
| 16:35.40 | loopdee | tarzeau: mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt/point ? |
| 16:35.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: of what? |
| 16:35.45 | abrotman | tarzeau: for that image |
| 16:35.48 | tarzeau | loopdee: yes |
| 16:35.53 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, because i not see what's happend, looks like the error are missing |
| 16:35.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: of me? |
| 16:35.58 | abrotman | http://cow.ethz.ch/ff2-crap-rendering.png |
| 16:36.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: and here it works perfect: http://cow.ethz.ch/textedit-great-gnustep-rendering.png |
| 16:36.33 | yos87 | itchi: does this related to gdm or gnome-desktop ? |
| 16:36.34 | abrotman | different pictures ? |
| 16:36.46 | itchi | yos87: You see there many lines... The line start with (xx) where (II) is as informations, (WW) warning, (EE) errror ... |
| 16:37.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: same font, different gui toolkits |
| 16:37.28 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. but it could be the HTML rendering engine |
| 16:37.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: yeah maybe |
| 16:37.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: which is also mozilla software |
| 16:37.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes .. that's why i asked for a URL |
| 16:37.57 | itchi | yos87: I dunno, i google about the trouble, to see |
| 16:38.02 | tarzeau | ah the url, www.gnuherds.org |
| 16:38.08 | itchi | yos87: Sure X not start? |
| 16:38.51 | itchi | yos87: Oh wait |
| 16:39.00 | itchi | yos87: Look this http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=236559 |
| 16:39.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. the http://cow.ethz.ch/ff2-crap-rendering.png |
| 16:39.44 | [pacha] | i get shis erro with yaird, Could not output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set -version 2.6.18.3-default1 evdev (fatal) anyone can help me? |
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| 16:41.03 | itchi | yos87: This looks also interesting, maybe just out of diskspace?? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=292160 |
| 16:41.56 | yos87 | itchi: i'm trying to install package int threat you give, he ask me to put cd , where to put? in the current machine or in debian (-: |
| 16:42.09 | minerale | how do I turn off ipv6 ? - netstat is getting confusing & programs like mplayer are using it by default |
| 16:42.11 | blondie | enveezee: that's just funny. |
| 16:42.13 | itchi | yos87: Debian :-) |
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| 16:42.31 | itchi | yos87: I need to go :-/ |
| 16:42.43 | yos87 | itchi: but if i'm far who will put the cd for me? |
| 16:42.49 | Gnea | minerale: unless you've setup with a real ipv6 ip, it's not going to be a problem |
| 16:42.50 | yos87 | itchi: thank you for help |
| 16:42.58 | yos87 | itchi: you helped me also |
| 16:42.58 | itchi | yos87: Nope, your Welcome ;-) |
| 16:43.03 | yos87 | thank you\ |
| 16:43.07 | enveezee | blondie: what me, or that goofy arse package? |
| 16:43.20 | blondie | the package |
| 16:43.27 | blondie | "attempt to detect a laptop" |
| 16:43.46 | yos87 | itchi: startx working now |
| 16:43.50 | enveezee | yeah the description is almost incomprehensable |
| 16:43.51 | minerale | gnea: well, I would still like to disable it, it is indeed causing a problem |
| 16:44.00 | yos87 | itchi: after i install the package in the threat you give |
| 16:44.02 | yos87 | thank you |
| 16:44.02 | Gnea | hey guys, i'm trying to install jre from sun's site using the java-package - i've never had a problem with it before, but now all of a sudden it's coming back telling me it can't install it because Detected Debian build architecture: i386 |
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| 16:44.07 | itchi | yos87: I think the solution is in one of the both links, or maybe an font line you should be #comment in you xfree86 config file, but i'm not yet sure. |
| 16:44.10 | Gnea | minerale: yeah? what problem? |
| 16:44.21 | Gnea | and this is an i686 system |
| 16:44.37 | itchi | yos87: Can leave near 5 or 10 more minutes, then i should be begin to prepare me ;-) |
| 16:44.57 | yos87 | itchi: but startx does not appear in windows machine |
| 16:45.01 | yos87 | only in debian |
| 16:45.01 | Gnea | ~$ fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin |
| 16:45.04 | krazykit | Gnea: i386 is correct. |
| 16:45.06 | Gnea | hrm, maybe that's why... |
| 16:45.12 | itchi | yos87: Do you not do that remotely? |
| 16:45.19 | yos87 | yes |
| 16:45.19 | itchi | yos87: Througt putty |
| 16:45.21 | minerale | gnea: ifconfig shows a inet6 address -- some applictions try to use it by default and give me error messages |
| 16:45.22 | yos87 | yes |
| 16:45.39 | [pacha] | i get shis erro with yaird, Could not output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set -version 2.6.18.3-default1 evdev (fatal) anyone can help me? |
| 16:45.42 | yos87 | itchi: but startx run on debian , but not on putty |
| 16:45.43 | Gnea | krazykit: no, it just downloaded to another location - got it :) |
| 16:46.06 | Gnea | minerale: but it's not a *real* inet6 address - you should do some research on ipv6 |
| 16:46.07 | itchi | yos87: Try on the debian box?? |
| 16:46.20 | Gnea | minerale: all it's showing there is the ipv6-version of the mac address |
| 16:46.23 | yos87 | itchi: debian box working fine |
| 16:46.31 | minerale | gnea: I just want it off, removed, gone, burned at the stake |
| 16:46.33 | Gnea | minerale: inet6 fe80::250:56ff:fec0:8/64 scope link |
| 16:46.35 | Gnea | like that? |
| 16:46.39 | minerale | gnea: yeah |
| 16:46.40 | loopdee | tarzeau: thanks , im trying to cifs instead of smbfs |
| 16:46.43 | Gnea | that's not real. |
| 16:46.43 | yos87 | itchi: but I mean I should see the graphic on putty also? I don't see |
| 16:46.50 | Gnea | it shouldn't even be causing a problem |
| 16:46.58 | itchi | yos87: How so, i not understand |
| 16:47.05 | itchi | yos87: No, no gfx over putty |
| 16:47.13 | Gnea | minerale: well, you can try modprobe -r ipv6 |
| 16:47.15 | minerale | gnea: but mplayer does try to use it, and is giving me errors unless I put -prefer-ipv4 on each request |
| 16:47.16 | yos87 | itchi: yea |
| 16:47.18 | Gnea | but it probably won't work |
| 16:47.26 | yos87 | itchi : that what i asked |
| 16:47.27 | Gnea | minerale: did you compile mplayer? |
| 16:47.32 | itchi | yos87: So, your X works again? |
| 16:47.38 | yos87 | itchi: yes |
| 16:47.41 | yos87 | thank you |
| 16:47.48 | minerale | gnea: I get this error: FATAL: Module ipv6 is in use. - I did not compile mplayer |
| 16:47.49 | itchi | yos87: Good job of you ;-) |
| 16:47.55 | yos87 | itchi: not only worked , I learn many things |
| 16:48.08 | itchi | yos87: :-p |
| 16:48.10 | yos87 | itchi: what about the vnt system you told about? |
| 16:48.15 | Gnea | minerale: ok, then you'll need to blacklist the ipv6 module at boottime somehow |
| 16:48.16 | itchi | yos87: vnc |
| 16:48.20 | yos87 | yes , vnc |
| 16:48.29 | Gnea | !blacklist |
| 16:48.29 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 16:48.40 | yos87 | itchi: all done with your help |
| 16:48.41 | minerale | gnea: no way to remove the ip from ifconfig ? |
| 16:48.47 | itchi | yos87: You can take remote control of you desktop with vnc stuff. To be honnest, i not like that, i love ssh :-) |
| 16:48.55 | Gnea | minerale: you don't get it: it's not an ip. |
| 16:49.06 | Gnea | minerale: it's a mac address |
| 16:49.09 | itchi | yos87: ssh will be your best friend :-) |
| 16:49.37 | blondie | that's a bit of a boring best friend. I want a best friend that has sex. |
| 16:49.49 | yos87 | itchi: ok ,thank you |
| 16:50.02 | itchi | blondie: Are you *a*? |
| 16:50.02 | tonyb2006 | ACPI Exception (acpi_processor-0681): AE_NOT_FOUND, Processor Device is not present [20060707] |
| 16:50.07 | tonyb2006 | does that mean i have no processor |
| 16:50.11 | blondie | itchi: a what? |
| 16:50.23 | itchi | blondie: Want you not an girlfriend?? :-) |
| 16:50.29 | yos87 | itchi: so connection to another machine at home without private ic will be only with vnc , isn't it? |
| 16:50.30 | Gnea | tonyb2006: that's a bit vague - can you paste the rest of dmesg somewhere? |
| 16:50.31 | Gnea | !paster |
| 16:50.31 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:50.34 | blondie | no i have a boyfriend. |
| 16:50.59 | tonyb2006 | Gnea: nah, i dont have any other problems, i just found the error a little funny |
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| 16:51.26 | yos87 | itchi: http://www.cae.wisc.edu/site/public/?title=fswhatvnc |
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| 16:51.54 | itchi | yos87: No, there are differents tools |
| 16:51.54 | yos87 | itchi: it's arround 10 min now, go please, i dustirb you today |
| 16:52.05 | yos87 | not this |
| 16:52.17 | itchi | yos87: Yeah, i'm still begin to prepare me, the delay goes longer now :-) But gona quit ;-) |
| 16:52.34 | yos87 | hehe |
| 16:52.38 | itchi | yos87: See you later ;-) |
| 16:52.42 | yos87 | see you later |
| 16:52.49 | yos87 | ;-) |
| 16:53.05 | Gnea | :) |
| 16:54.39 | ericP | i seek a shell tool (aka filter) to log my stdin and stdout to a file |
| 16:54.42 | ericP | ideas? |
| 16:54.56 | Kevin` | ericP script |
| 16:54.59 | Gnea | ericP: >file 2>&1 |
| 16:55.12 | enveezee | am I the only one bothered by xmms2... mostly that its called xmms2... it seems to lack any GUI and in effect is more unlike xmms than Calcium Hydrochloride |
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| 16:55.44 | blondie | mpd pwnz other music players ;) |
| 16:55.54 | tonyb2006 | enveezee: xmms2 is like MPD |
| 16:56.04 | tonyb2006 | its server based |
| 16:56.07 | enveezee | tonyb2006: wake up, you're dreaming |
| 16:56.08 | ericP | Kevin`, Gnea, the prob si that i need to insert this into a pipe. not just catch the far end |
| 16:56.16 | tonyb2006 | enveezee: its similar to it |
| 16:56.26 | ericP | my offlineimaprc has: preauthtunnel = ssh homer.w3.org '/usr/lib/dovecot/imap' |
| 16:56.29 | xingu | ericP: tee |
| 16:56.30 | enveezee | tonyb2006: why isnt it called mpd2 or something |
| 16:56.34 | Kevin` | ericP script will catch all data while running |
| 16:56.37 | ericP | and i want to intercept that to log it |
| 16:56.38 | tonyb2006 | enveezee: because the xmms team made it? |
| 16:56.48 | tonyb2006 | for some reason, on my system NO music player remote controls work on my system |
| 16:56.58 | tonyb2006 | like that nifty little firefox plugin |
| 16:57.00 | tonyb2006 | wont control SHIT |
| 16:57.03 | krazykit | mpd and xmms2 are fundamentally different though. mpd clients poll the server for updates. xmms2 server sends updates to the client. |
| 16:57.14 | blondie | I have an MS keyboard with keys for media control c.c |
| 16:57.26 | blondie | it works when Metacity decides it should |
| 16:57.27 | tonyb2006 | i have a logitech one |
| 16:57.45 | enveezee | krazykit: xmms2 is basically just an audio streamer with remote control |
| 16:57.47 | tonyb2006 | and a Microshaft one with a black blob where the word Microsoft was..it now says "TonyB" |
| 16:58.09 | blondie | hardware is something MS seem to do quite well ;) |
| 16:58.13 | ericP | Kevin`, i'd failed to get script -c to behave before, but possibly because i was testing it interactively. will try harder |
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| 16:58.19 | krazykit | blondie: except the zune. |
| 16:58.21 | tonyb2006 | blondie: this keyboard is fugly! |
| 16:58.29 | blondie | well input devices anyway |
| 16:58.31 | tonyb2006 | and the m$ mouse burns my hand i say! |
| 16:58.56 | Kevin` | ericP always worked nice for me, heh :/ |
| 16:58.56 | enveezee | I like my Microsoft mouse |
| 16:59.07 | enveezee | the only microsoft product I would use |
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| 16:59.18 | blondie | haha |
| 16:59.28 | blondie | the range on their wireless keyboards/mice is good too |
| 16:59.38 | Perwolff | microsoft has real products?! omg |
| 16:59.49 | enveezee | I actually prefer the microsoft optical mice.. they work well, are cheap, and not overly idealistic like some |
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| 17:00.07 | enveezee | they try do all this crazy shit to mice anymore.. shapes, buttons, wheels and rollers.. |
| 17:00.21 | enveezee | the Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse for like $9 is perfect for me |
| 17:00.23 | blondie | abuse of "anymore" :P |
| 17:00.24 | tonyb2006 | i like simple roller/3rd button, anything more is else |
| 17:00.26 | kspath | I prefer HappyHacker Keyboards and logitech trackballs |
| 17:00.32 | Gnea | all i need is a mouse with a optic laser, some buttons and a scroller |
| 17:00.47 | blondie | laser for blinding annoying colleagues would be nice. |
| 17:00.49 | Tidus | kspath: i prefer trackballs myself |
| 17:00.54 | Gnea | anything with a ball in it is pure crap. |
| 17:00.57 | xingu | a red mouse, a chorded middle button, and the truth |
| 17:01.03 | sng | Logitech trackballs, ftw. |
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| 17:01.19 | tonyb2006 | the batteries die alot though |
| 17:01.24 | Tidus | Gnea: it may have a ball in it, but it's movement is tracked optically |
| 17:01.26 | blondie | trackballs and nipples both suck |
| 17:01.32 | kspath | Gnea, laser tracking of ball rotation in my logitech trackballs |
| 17:01.33 | enveezee | Gnea: optical mice are generally illuminated by a light emitting diode, and there is a chip in there that has a camera on the bottom that takes about 15000 photos a minute.. |
| 17:01.37 | blondie | (the pointer nipples, not chest-mounted ones) |
| 17:01.39 | enveezee | there is no laser involved |
| 17:01.40 | Tidus | i for one am still using an old microsoft intellimouse trackball... one of the OLD ones |
| 17:01.43 | Gnea | Tidus: it also gathers crap and has to be cleaned out occasionally |
| 17:01.43 | christos | hello which kernel module I have to use in order to conect to net via my sagem 800? |
| 17:02.08 | Tidus | Gnea: you have no idea how often i have to clean the feet on my optical mice.. |
| 17:02.11 | enveezee | blondie: I'd home you already have chest mounted ones.. and I think those are called "Trackpoints" |
| 17:02.14 | mdasilva | sup |
| 17:02.15 | Tidus | bout twice a week |
| 17:02.19 | enveezee | s/home/hope/ |
| 17:02.30 | Gnea | Tidus: which one do you have? |
| 17:02.34 | enveezee | though I am not all to sure what the point of nipples on a guy are |
| 17:02.49 | blondie | enveezee: male nipples are sensitive |
| 17:02.52 | blondie | well, mine are :P |
| 17:02.58 | Gnea | enveezee: genetics |
| 17:03.01 | kspath | enveezee, basic template |
| 17:03.02 | enveezee | I guess its just left over parts from when we got screwed into being a male |
| 17:03.07 | Tidus | Gnea: i have 3. logitech MX500 corded, an old microsoft optical, and a microsoft wireless that came with my keyboard. |
| 17:03.18 | abrotman | christos: what is a sagem 800 |
| 17:03.21 | mdasilva | out of interest |
| 17:03.23 | blondie | apparently males are theoretically capable of producing milk |
| 17:03.43 | Gnea | Tidus: i'm not sure who made mine... i'll have to check it when i get home |
| 17:03.56 | kspath | !abrotmoo |
| 17:03.56 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 17:04.04 | Tidus | anyways, mine pick up so much dirt it gets hard to move... |
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| 17:04.11 | Tidus | my trackball on the other hand i only have to clean once a month |
| 17:04.18 | Gnea | Tidus: the feet don't gather much, and once in a great while some small fuzz gets into the laser hole.. other than that, it's solid |
| 17:04.29 | blondie | Tidus: only? |
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| 17:04.46 | Tidus | blondie: yeah... the trackball i have isn't optical |
| 17:04.58 | Tidus | so i gotta clean the rollers abt once a month |
| 17:05.00 | kspath | Gnea, I clean my trackballs about once every 3 months takes me 30 seconds |
| 17:05.02 | blondie | I cleaned my optical mouse for the first time in 2 years the other week |
| 17:05.08 | blondie | which meant wiping the crap off the bottom |
| 17:05.16 | krazykit | that's my only problem with my optical trackball. i need to clean it every day or two to keep it rolling nicely |
| 17:05.16 | blondie | the sensor mechanism was fine |
| 17:05.25 | krazykit | dorm is gunky. |
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| 17:05.37 | Tidus | my apartment's a dust magnet |
| 17:05.50 | enveezee | na, you're just a bad housekeeper :P |
| 17:06.14 | Tidus | enveezee: seriously. i can clean my tv off, and 2 days later it looks like it did before |
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| 17:07.24 | enveezee | Tidus: yeah.. well when I was living alone I had to clean every day or the place looked like shit |
| 17:07.34 | blondie | boring |
| 17:07.39 | enveezee | this is what obsessive compulsive roomates are for |
| 17:07.40 | blondie | I hardly ever clean |
| 17:07.59 | blondie | I hoover the floors, that's usually enough |
| 17:09.04 | enveezee | when I lived with cara I never cleaned and the place always looked great.. she didn't like me touching her stuff anyhow.. even though it wasnt all her stuff.. god forbid one of the speakers to my radio was cocked 2 degrees west |
| 17:09.26 | Tidus | lol enveezee |
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| 17:09.41 | Tidus | i'da purposefully turned one of em 90 degrees east |
| 17:09.56 | kspath | OCD can be funny sometimes |
| 17:10.05 | blondie | sounds like one of the guys in my office at work |
| 17:10.07 | enveezee | heh, she still has my radio.. I left it there.. I dont really use it anyhow and I love to hear her sing, so I figured she could listen to my radio and I could listen to her sing |
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| 17:10.15 | blondie | it wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't completely useless |
| 17:10.25 | kspath | until they put down and tarp and stab you to death for messing up their environment |
| 17:11.04 | earthian | hello i have a problem with my apache webserver. I can not login to websites.. for example my squirrelmail and phpmyadmin refuses to log me in fron any host except the localhost. what could cause that? |
| 17:11.13 | earthian | i have a default config i belive.. |
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| 17:11.31 | earthian | and that refusal is without errors... |
| 17:11.47 | enveezee | earthian: can you access apache, and just not the things running on top? |
| 17:11.49 | earthian | it just does nothing.. reloads the page and thats all. |
| 17:11.59 | earthian | i can access apache |
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| 17:12.00 | norc | hello. how long does a full debian installation take roughly? |
| 17:12.08 | enveezee | earthian: then the other things are misconfigured |
| 17:12.14 | blondie | norc: define "full" |
| 17:12.14 | logyati | hi guys |
| 17:12.27 | blondie | not sure there's such a thing as that |
| 17:12.29 | norc | blondie: well, for desktop |
| 17:12.33 | logyati | i need some help on aixgl |
| 17:12.35 | blondie | it depends what you want |
| 17:12.37 | blondie | and how you install it |
| 17:12.40 | earthian | enveezee: what could cause everything to work from localhost and all be like readonly from elsewhere? |
| 17:12.41 | norc | define 'how' |
| 17:12.41 | norc | ;) |
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| 17:12.56 | norc | im gonna change from Gentoo to Debian, heh |
| 17:12.56 | enveezee | earthian: your allowed hosts being set to your loopback address |
| 17:13.01 | blondie | well I install using netinst and it probably takes an hour or two |
| 17:13.11 | enveezee | earthian: most services have some means of controlling who can access them. |
| 17:13.11 | blondie | considerably less time than gentoo I would say :P |
| 17:13.15 | norc | well.... |
| 17:13.16 | norc | ;) |
| 17:13.24 | enveezee | earthian: varies greatly from service to service how you do this |
| 17:13.28 | norc | anyway, how about debian testing |
| 17:13.42 | norc | im new to debian, would it be a problem for me to start directly with debian testing |
| 17:13.50 | Kevin` | no |
| 17:13.52 | norc | or should I stick to stable and use backports |
| 17:13.54 | earthian | enveezee: ok i get it. where do i start looking for that config entry that controls who can do what on my www server? |
| 17:14.07 | Kevin` | I would install etch at this point |
| 17:14.18 | norc | Kevin`: you mean me? |
| 17:14.25 | Kevin` | yes |
| 17:14.28 | norc | mhmm |
| 17:14.56 | earthian | norc: depends on what you want: desktop go get etch, production server - sarge. |
| 17:15.03 | norc | desktop |
| 17:15.05 | norc | ok |
| 17:15.05 | Kevin` | etch will be stable soon |
| 17:15.08 | norc | im gonna do that now |
| 17:15.09 | norc | hehe ok |
| 17:15.11 | Kevin` | i'd even use it for a server |
| 17:15.17 | norc | how about xfs, that shouldnt be any problem? |
| 17:15.30 | earthian | Kevin`: that soon is a varible :) |
| 17:15.32 | Kevin` | why are you planning to use xfs |
| 17:15.52 | Kevin` | I use it here, but that's for a 1tb raid array :) |
| 17:16.17 | earthian | hm.. is xfs any btter than ext3 |
| 17:16.19 | earthian | ? |
| 17:16.24 | Kevin` | for some things |
| 17:16.26 | earthian | i have a 0.5tb array :) |
| 17:16.41 | Kevin` | earthian raid 1 with 1 drive? :) |
| 17:16.53 | earthian | raid0 with two drives :o |
| 17:17.06 | Kevin` | i'd be afraid of raid0 |
| 17:17.12 | earthian | i am not. |
| 17:17.14 | earthian | :P |
| 17:17.15 | Kevin` | that's a large amount of data to disappear |
| 17:17.29 | pumpkin0 | earthian: maximal partition size for ext3 is 32 TB. |
| 17:17.35 | earthian | yea... :S 200gigs of movies.. anothr 50gigs of mp3.. ouch! |
| 17:17.47 | Kevin` | I don't like to lose my movies :) |
| 17:17.57 | earthian | me too... |
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| 17:18.05 | earthian | but i dont have a choice now :S |
| 17:18.59 | earthian | the data is in the drives and i dont have a spare 400gb disk to move all there and remove the array thing and use what linux offers.. |
| 17:19.13 | earthian | sometime ago i was just a stupid windows user :/ |
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| 17:26.02 | [pacha] | i get shis erro with yaird, Could not output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set -version 2.6.18.3-default1 evdev (fatal) anyone can help me? |
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| 17:26.37 | nokrev | I'm a partitioning newbie, but I can't seem to make gparted recognize the partitions created in the installer, and I think I may have screwed 'em up. I need help repairing them… |
| 17:26.40 | HardDisk_WP | anyone knowing how to search in all files' content of a directory and its subirectories for a string? |
| 17:26.47 | blondie | grep |
| 17:26.55 | nokrev | gparted will say the filesystem is unrecognized, even though it's being used... |
| 17:27.06 | HardDisk_WP | blondie, yeah i know of grep, but how do i list the contents of each file |
| 17:27.22 | blondie | why do you want to do that? |
| 17:27.28 | blondie | you search search |
| 17:27.31 | blondie | erm |
| 17:27.33 | blondie | you said search |
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| 17:27.48 | HardDisk_WP | blondie, I need to clean up my code of hardcoded passwords before I publish it |
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| 17:28.05 | HardDisk_WP | blondie, and it are ~30 files in ~5 subdirectorys to search in... |
| 17:28.17 | blondie | yes |
| 17:28.19 | blondie | grep -R |
| 17:28.27 | blondie | grep -R somestring * |
| 17:29.20 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
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| 17:31.38 | CharminTheMoose | if my externel harddrive is plug and play for windows xp,does that mean i can plug and play in linux? |
| 17:31.55 | krazykit | CharminTheMoose: yup |
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| 17:33.15 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: you are asking that question for about 3 hours now. Just try it, will you ? |
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| 17:35.11 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 17:38.06 | ericP | Kevin`, oddly [[[preauthtunnel = script -fqc "ssh homer.w3.org '/usr/lib/dovecot/imap'" asdf]]] only seemed to pick up the imap(via ssh)->offlineimap part of the conversation. no idea why. |
| 17:38.24 | CharminTheMoose | goddamn it,how do i up date a new script in my init.d directory? |
| 17:38.32 | ericP | Kevin`, but i've solved my orig prob so i'm prolly not going to pick into it more |
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| 17:48.29 | jager|work | argh! i can't get /home/jag/public_html to display in apache2 even though userdir is loaded |
| 17:48.52 | jager|work | it gives me 403 forbiddem when i look at ~jag |
| 17:48.58 | Cyis | jager|work: what are the permissions on ~jag and ~jag/public_html? |
| 17:49.18 | jager|work | drwxr-xr-x 9 jag jag 2048 Dec 23 11:43 jag |
| 17:49.25 | jager|work | drwxr-xr-x 2 jag jag 1024 Dec 23 11:35 public_html |
| 17:49.35 | blondie | jager|work: what does the error log say? |
| 17:50.11 | jager|work | [Sat Dec 23 11:50:03 2006] [error] [client 70.165.105.142] client denied by server configuration: /home/jag/public_html/index.html |
| 17:50.12 | Cyis | jager|work: and the files under public_html are atleast 0644 perms? |
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| 17:50.33 | jager|work | -rw-r--r-- 1 jag jag 27517 Dec 23 11:35 jag/public_html/index.html |
| 17:51.05 | abrotman | jager|work: ls -ld /home/jag/public_html/ |
| 17:51.12 | war95 | <pumpkin0> earthian: maximal partition size for ext3 is 32 TB. |
| 17:51.15 | Cyis | jager|work: then it would be the apache2 conf... could you use the paste server and post your config? |
| 17:51.23 | jager|work | drwxr-xr-x 2 jag jag 1024 Dec 23 11:35 /home/jag/public_html/ |
| 17:51.26 | jager|work | sure 1 moment |
| 17:51.26 | war95 | not quite :P, more like 16TB and over 2-4TB you risk losing your data |
| 17:51.37 | jager|work | it's stock i suppose |
| 17:51.38 | Cyis | abrotman: perms look right... from the error I think it's configuration |
| 17:52.04 | abrotman | did he restart apache ? |
| 17:52.04 | Cyis | jager|work: I could look at a stock if I were at home :) I'm stuck in south GA at my in-laws :( |
| 17:52.19 | pumpkin0 | war95: if you do not have the right maximal blocksize set for your kernel: yes. You can use ext3 savely upto 32 TB. |
| 17:52.20 | abrotman | blame the in-laws! |
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| 17:52.40 | war95 | pumpkin0: I wouldnt trust it but ok :P |
| 17:52.47 | Cyis | abrotman: nah... the wife... since we moved to be less than 5 hours away we've been down here once a month every month since we moved |
| 17:52.50 | abrotman | jager|work: and /home/jag/ ? |
| 17:52.57 | abrotman | Cyis: ick! |
| 17:53.02 | pumpkin0 | war95: i don't trust reiserfs ... so, what is your point ? |
| 17:53.14 | Cyis | abrotman: his directories are 755 and index is 644 |
| 17:53.19 | Cyis | so perms look fine. |
| 17:53.23 | tuv | icedove's new icon is so clumsy. bright colors. no contrast. hardly recognizable |
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| 17:53.27 | war95 | pumpkin0: stick with what works if possible |
| 17:53.28 | abrotman | Cyis: his $HOME too ? |
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| 17:53.41 | jager|work | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4888 |
| 17:53.47 | Cyis | abrotman: Yeah I asked him to show ~jag and ~jag/public_html |
| 17:54.02 | pumpkin0 | war95: so what would you recommand for a 1 TB partition ? |
| 17:54.03 | jager|work | drwxr-xr-x 9 jag jag 2048 Dec 23 11:43 /home/jag/ |
| 17:54.09 | war95 | pumpkin0: XFS |
| 17:54.11 | jager|work | drwxr-xr-x 2 jag jag 1024 Dec 23 11:35 /home/jag/public_html/ |
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| 17:54.25 | Niacin | man what is with the DS boom this year |
| 17:54.28 | tonyb2006 | how does firefox figure out its 'helper applications'? can i manually set them? |
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| 17:54.35 | Niacin | went to try and buy a pink DS for the wife... sold out in all of Texas |
| 17:54.38 | Niacin | i mean like wtf mate |
| 17:54.45 | Cyis | jager|work: that paste shows UserDir commented out |
| 17:54.49 | Niacin | i ended up paying some guy $180 for a pink one |
| 17:54.51 | krazykit | Niacin: mostly the load of sweet games. |
| 17:54.52 | abrotman | says it's a module |
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| 17:55.26 | Cyis | jager|work: also should uncomment the <Directory /home/*/public_html> block as well |
| 17:55.31 | abrotman | jager|work: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ | grep user |
| 17:55.35 | abrotman | Cyis: it's a module |
| 17:55.43 | abrotman | Cyis: if you load the module .. it will load the conf |
| 17:56.00 | jager|work | yeah i didn't think i needed that uncommented since it's a module |
| 17:56.03 | jager|work | i'll change it though |
| 17:56.17 | Cyis | ok... |
| 17:56.18 | abrotman | jager|work: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ | grep user |
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| 17:56.49 | jager|work | jag@stonedworld:~$ ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ | grep user |
| 17:56.50 | jager|work | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40 Nov 28 15:23 userdir.conf -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf |
| 17:56.50 | jager|work | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40 Nov 28 15:23 userdir.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.load |
| 17:57.00 | abrotman | then there shouldn't be an issue |
| 17:57.11 | abrotman | and uncommenting the part in the httpd.conf probably won't help |
| 17:57.17 | Cyis | do a stop/start ? |
| 17:57.18 | jager|work | it didn't |
| 17:57.34 | abrotman | unless mod_userdir isn't being loaded |
| 17:57.36 | jager|work | i did that already alas but i'll try again with it uncommented |
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| 17:57.47 | jager|work | hwo can i tell for sure abrotman? |
| 17:57.50 | abrotman | jager|work: check the error log .. make sure the module is getting loaded |
| 17:57.58 | Cyis | yeah I don't recall it being that hard to enable on my system |
| 17:57.58 | AoA | can somebody tell me what version of GNOME is included on DVD 31r4 ? |
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| 17:58.11 | RvGaTe | can someone put this in the dpkg's memory: http://www.mandolux.com/ tis a perfect website if you're looking for dual/triple or quadro screen wallpapers... |
| 17:59.12 | jager|work | no didn't help |
| 17:59.21 | jager|work | i don't see anything in the error.log regarding user.dir |
| 17:59.23 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 17:59.29 | HardDisk_WP | anyone familiar with websvn? |
| 17:59.45 | Cyis | RvGaTe: kewl site... I'll have to bookmark it myself as I plan to get my dual-head display back up and running after I get my wife a new LCD so I can take her's for a matching pair |
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| 17:59.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | How many release-critical bugs does Etch still have? |
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| 18:00.06 | Cyis | Dark_Apostrophe: I'd have to check my email for the last report |
| 18:00.13 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 18:00.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | 694?! |
| 18:00.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Holy sporks |
| 18:00.50 | jager|work | jag@stonedworld:/home$ sudo /usr/sbin/update-apache2-modules --enable userdir |
| 18:00.54 | jager|work | userdir: seqnum 99 |
| 18:00.54 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: read it again |
| 18:00.54 | jager|work | switching on 99userdir |
| 18:00.54 | jager|work | jag@stonedworld:/home$ |
| 18:00.54 | jager|work | jag@stonedworld:/home$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 18:00.54 | jager|work | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2[Sat Dec 23 12:00:39 2006] [warn] module userdir_module is already loaded, skipping |
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| 18:01.05 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:01.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:01.11 | jager|work | too much paste sorry |
| 18:01.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | 143 |
| 18:01.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh. |
| 18:01.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Let's hope they squash them soon. :) |
| 18:01.34 | jager|work | enabling it manually tells me that it's already enabled |
| 18:01.51 | jager|work | with /usr/sbin/update-apache2-modules --enable userdir |
| 18:02.10 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: you could help |
| 18:02.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Not with Etch I couldn't |
| 18:02.42 | Cyis | I've got a couple of them but they're all not expected to get into Etch anyway |
| 18:02.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I don't know how to program, and if I started learning how to, it would be too late for Etch. |
| 18:03.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 18:03.25 | abrotman | not all are programming bugs i don't think |
| 18:03.36 | abrotman | there's the man pages project too |
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| 18:03.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... |
| 18:03.55 | tarzeau | damn fucking iceweasel crashed away with 50 unbookmarked tabs |
| 18:03.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | What kind of bugs do those have? |
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| 18:04.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Get used to it |
| 18:04.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Fx 2.0 is crappy |
| 18:04.18 | jager|work | awww |
| 18:04.21 | jager|work | i like it |
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| 18:04.30 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: every mozilla software is crappy |
| 18:04.30 | jager|work | except they broke / search i guess |
| 18:04.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | I used firefox since 0.8 |
| 18:04.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | In 2.0, they made me switch to Konqueror |
| 18:04.48 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: and me since netscape 3.x |
| 18:04.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | They rushed the release |
| 18:04.58 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i usually use safari or links2 |
| 18:05.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | To avoid giving IE7 too much of a headstart |
| 18:05.11 | tarzeau | but some crap shit webpages don't work properly |
| 18:05.18 | tarzeau | oh i love IE over ff |
| 18:05.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | They should've taken the time to fix bugs |
| 18:05.31 | abrotman | there's a novel idea |
| 18:05.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
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| 18:06.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Asking "when do you think they'll be done" isn't exactly a boss yelling deadlines at developers. |
| 18:06.20 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:06.20 | dpkg | < cOLDrIPPA> ok, i had logged into Debian correct and typed the user and pass now it is in like dos mode for windows anyone help |
| 18:06.23 | abrotman | shouldn't be deadlines |
| 18:06.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I'm not saying there should |
| 18:06.55 | jelly-home | tarzeau: that's why I love Opera, when it crashes, just restart and continue where you left off. There are session saving extensions for ff too. |
| 18:06.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: But a rough estimate based on the current speed of development isn't too harmful |
| 18:07.14 | abrotman | then people treat that as a deadline |
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| 18:07.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I mean, KDE4 is expected to be done between summer and autumn 2k7 |
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| 18:07.32 | tarzeau | jelly-home: they don't work |
| 18:07.45 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: and then if it goes until 2008 .. people will be upset |
| 18:07.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | People just want to know how long they'll have to wait, that's all |
| 18:07.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Point taken. |
| 18:08.16 | Cyis | once I get home and get my dev env set up on my workstation (re-installed yesterday before leaving for the weekend) I'll be doing lots of package management |
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| 18:08.31 | jelly-home | tarzeau: hm, they worked for me in 1.5, I don't use 2.0 yet and you've given me another reason to stay away from it for a while. |
| 18:08.52 | tarzeau | debian sid doesn't have ff pre 2 anymore |
| 18:09.18 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: should be more like .. projects or goals .. when the goals are completed .. the release happens |
| 18:09.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Anyway, the reason I'm asking is that I'm going to be building a new computer within a week or two. I intend to stick Etch on it. I'm just wondering if it's worth waiting maybe a week more or so to get a full release |
| 18:09.22 | xingu | jelly: ff2 appears to have its own session save/resume on crash |
| 18:09.35 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: could be a month .. no way to tell |
| 18:09.45 | xingu | jelly: hasn't failed me yet; in fact I find it quite handy to just pkill it to resume across reboots. |
| 18:09.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I guess the corporate software industry got us used to "We'll have a release by date xx.xx.xxxx" |
| 18:10.09 | abrotman | and see how well that works :) |
| 18:10.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know. |
| 18:10.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | But when we're used to it, there's not much we can do about that. :P |
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| 18:10.46 | abrotman | i never got used to it .. never liked it |
| 18:11.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, I was a windows user until about 2004. |
| 18:11.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | So I've had quite some time to get used to it. |
| 18:11.33 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:11.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: When did Fedora Core 2 get released? |
| 18:11.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Cause I started just about that time |
| 18:11.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | (Yes, Fedora was my first distro. :( ) |
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| 18:11.57 | abrotman | NFC .. i haven't seen a RH release since .. 7.3 |
| 18:12.12 | earthian | hello again. i have reviewed my mysql and apache configurations and did not find any restriction that is in effect on my website.. can somebody help me? The site is http://db.fostral.net/ and nothing happens when you try to login.. no error nothing. where could be the cause? any ideas? |
| 18:12.26 | abrotman | that was the version they were using in my office when i got there |
| 18:12.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Tettnang May 18, 2004 Discontinued |
| 18:12.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, May 2004. |
| 18:12.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's when I started using GNU/Linux. :) |
| 18:13.28 | earthian | i used redhat 7-9 and debian is the best :D |
| 18:13.45 | earthian | but.. what about my current problem? :S |
| 18:13.48 | cahoot_ | sounds like an AA meeting |
| 18:14.10 | xingu | cahoot_: confessions of a true gid=staff? |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | earthian: error or just not logging in |
| 18:14.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've used Mandrake 9, Fedcore 2 & 3, Knoppix, Gentoo, SimplyMEPIS, Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Sabayon and Debian. |
| 18:14.28 | earthian | not loggin in to anything.. inclusing a webmail |
| 18:14.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Debian was by far the best. :) |
| 18:14.41 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: it still is so |
| 18:14.52 | abrotman | earthian: any errors in the logs ? |
| 18:14.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't like GNOME being the default desktop environment, but I still prefer it over any other distro. |
| 18:14.56 | earthian | abrotman: no |
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| 18:15.07 | earthian | just some blabla about a favicon not found |
| 18:15.07 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: it's not force installed |
| 18:15.12 | DerJamster | I know that feeling. SuSE 7+8, Slack 8+9, Knoppix, Gentoo, Debian. Love Knoppix as a live cd. |
| 18:15.18 | earthian | abrotman: i can login only from localhost |
| 18:15.32 | abrotman | earthian: perhaps you don't have mysql configured correctly ? |
| 18:15.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Can I choose to install KDE instead of GNOME when installing from netinst? |
| 18:15.32 | earthian | and when i login into localhost/hostname |
| 18:15.45 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: yes .. don't use tasksel |
| 18:15.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: ? |
| 18:15.56 | earthian | abrotman: can you help me look for a glitch in my config? :S |
| 18:15.58 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: there's such installers, yes |
| 18:16.01 | DerJamster | I always abort after the base installation and just do the apt-getting by hand :> |
| 18:16.03 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: officially from debian |
| 18:16.10 | abrotman | earthian: i try to avoid mysql .. it sucks to work with IMO |
| 18:16.10 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: actually it's a boot time option |
| 18:16.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What do you mean? |
| 18:16.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: How do I do it? |
| 18:16.33 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: when you do the install .. just login .. then install KDE .. don't use the little GUI chooser |
| 18:16.40 | earthian | hm |
| 18:17.00 | earthian | abrotman: what about my webmail? the same issue |
| 18:17.01 | earthian | :S |
| 18:17.04 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i don't know, you can do a minimal installation (unselect desktop) |
| 18:17.08 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i us wmaker/gnustep |
| 18:17.09 | earthian | i have squirrel |
| 18:17.27 | abrotman | earthian: probably trying to use mysql over the eth0 ip |
| 18:17.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Also, is it possible to disable SELinux installation? |
| 18:17.39 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:17.47 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i'm not sure about the SELinux stuff, i've never needed it |
| 18:17.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Me neither, that's why I don't want it installed. |
| 18:18.45 | earthian | abrotman: i have not mentioned my eth0 ip anywhere in configs... (except dhcp server). |
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| 18:19.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: How do I disable SELinux installation? |
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| 18:20.16 | rhalff | hi what do you guys use for central authentication ? |
| 18:20.17 | abrotman | earthian: check the mysql log .. see where the connection is coming from |
| 18:20.25 | earthian | o |
| 18:20.26 | earthian | ok |
| 18:20.30 | abrotman | rhalff: LDAP or kerberos probably for most people |
| 18:20.48 | rhalff | abrotman, for a hosting environment that is, with pam or something ? |
| 18:21.07 | Cyis | rhalff: I personally use LDAP |
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| 18:21.17 | abrotman | rhalff: be less vague about your needs |
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| 18:21.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Hello? |
| 18:21.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I disable SELinux being installed with Etch? |
| 18:22.02 | abrotman | don't install it |
| 18:22.08 | rhalff | Cyis, in what kind of envrionment ? Ah my need is right now, authentication webusers against something central, and reuse their accounts on an external subversion server |
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| 18:22.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: But it comes with etch |
| 18:22.24 | abrotman | no it doesn't .. i don't have it |
| 18:22.25 | admin_ | Hello, I have an old SD card, 32MB, i used to store music on it, but linux dosnt wanna mount it or anything, I can paste dmesg to soemwhere to show problem |
| 18:22.32 | rhalff | uhm.. webserver owners.. |
| 18:22.37 | dezent | Dark_Apostrophe: something like selinux=0 in menu.lst |
| 18:22.38 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: the library is installed |
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| 18:22.50 | pumpkin0 | !tell admin_ about paste |
| 18:22.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I don't want that either. :P |
| 18:22.58 | Cyis | rhalff: Internal corporate network... using PAM we could build filters to exempt accounts from authenticating on certain servers |
| 18:23.07 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: so uninstall it after the install |
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| 18:23.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's got lots of system-wide dependencies. |
| 18:23.31 | rhalff | Cyis, probably the pam driver doesn't matter that much, whether it is ldap or mysql even ? |
| 18:23.57 | rhalff | mysql, feels odd though :) |
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| 18:24.08 | Cyis | rhalff: probably... I avoided an RDBMS for authentication |
| 18:24.16 | earthian | abrotman: strange! the mysql logs are emtpy! :S |
| 18:24.29 | abrotman | that's not good |
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| 18:24.43 | abrotman | pam can use ldap |
| 18:24.46 | Cyis | IIRC the system install mysql with logging disabled |
| 18:25.20 | abrotman | that's useful |
| 18:25.25 | SpeS | hi my mouse wheel doesn't work, I've tried: Option "Buttons" "5" |
| 18:25.26 | SpeS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:25.54 | resistance | what is the best choice for linux irc client? |
| 18:26.04 | rhalff | ok thanks, Cyis, abrotman |
| 18:26.05 | SpeS | resistance, for me xchat |
| 18:26.25 | Cyis | IIRC from my last install of mysql loglevel is set to 0 and syslog is not recording the correct local value myself is reporting to |
| 18:26.32 | CharminTheMoose | yeah i must agree with SpeS,resistance, Xchat is great |
| 18:26.36 | tarzeau | resistance: irssi-text |
| 18:26.44 | tarzeau | xchat sucks |
| 18:26.50 | abrotman | resistance: irssi or xchat |
| 18:26.57 | abrotman | irssi is CLI .. xchat is GUI |
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| 18:27.08 | SpeS | tarzeau, don't be so freak ;) |
| 18:27.15 | Cyis | I've used bitchx, ircII and xchat myself |
| 18:27.18 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:you can get xchat as textmode |
| 18:27.25 | abrotman | i don't want to know about it! |
| 18:27.29 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: it sucks way beyond imagination |
| 18:27.29 | earthian | use mirc ftw! :D |
| 18:27.32 | earthian | lol |
| 18:27.35 | CharminTheMoose | even though it's not really xchat,more like CLIchat |
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| 18:27.46 | tarzeau | telnet is better than the xchat textmode |
| 18:27.52 | cat | hey i have a question why doesn't udev doesn't start with this kernel |
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| 18:28.06 | jelly-home | woohoo, I found a grave bug in etch... now where was that web page that wnated me to report as many RC bugs as possible? |
| 18:28.06 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau:using irc via telnet?ugh |
| 18:28.08 | cat | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:28.10 | abrotman | cat: that's a little vague |
| 18:28.13 | dimbit | anyone managed compiz with kde yet? |
| 18:28.20 | SpeS | tarzeau, sure, you can always send IRC telnet messages to the server... |
| 18:28.21 | abrotman | jelly-home: dunk-tank.org or something |
| 18:28.23 | tarzeau | cat: udev is 2.6 only |
| 18:28.23 | CharminTheMoose | cat: 2.4 doesn't support udev |
| 18:28.33 | cat | darn it |
| 18:28.38 | abrotman | try hotplug |
| 18:28.39 | Cyis | dimbit: Personal opinion here... but ditch compiz... go with beryl/emerald |
| 18:28.40 | cat | and that kernel is really good for my laptop |
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| 18:28.49 | tarzeau | dimbit: try #debian-kde |
| 18:29.02 | dimbit | Cyis: compiz is on the mirrors, beryl isnt |
| 18:29.09 | tarzeau | cat: that kernel is oooold |
| 18:29.20 | Cyis | compiz is craptastic |
| 18:29.22 | cat | indeed |
| 18:29.28 | SpeS | well, how can I activate my mouse wheel? :( |
| 18:29.29 | cat | my laptop is a tecra 8200 toshiba |
| 18:29.33 | CharminTheMoose | anything that's all 3d is crap. |
| 18:29.36 | cat | so you tell me which is older ;D |
| 18:29.36 | CharminTheMoose | EVILWM for the win |
| 18:29.39 | CharminTheMoose | sorry... |
| 18:29.48 | CharminTheMoose | except for 3ddesk,that's cool |
| 18:29.50 | Cyis | I found an unofficial archive with beryl packages |
| 18:30.06 | dimbit | I did too but they wouldnt install |
| 18:30.15 | cat | abrotman: how do i installed hotplug |
| 18:30.22 | dimbit | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian this one? |
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| 18:30.31 | abrotman | cat: how do you install everything else in debian? :) |
| 18:30.36 | cat | lol |
| 18:30.40 | cat | im using sid |
| 18:30.45 | cat | so i believed is broken |
| 18:31.12 | Cyis | dimbit: let me check... I did the install at work on Friday... Will be installing on home computer as soon as I get there (at in-laws now) |
| 18:31.15 | CharminTheMoose | hrm,today is tardsday eve and tardsday is christmas eve.. |
| 18:31.16 | pumpkin0 | cat: sid = broken by default and working by chance. |
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| 18:31.30 | cat | indeed |
| 18:31.41 | cat | i'll will see if i can changed to sarge |
| 18:31.47 | Cyis | dimir: yes, the linux.lk archive was the one I used |
| 18:32.14 | pumpkin0 | cat: take the middle, go etch.. |
| 18:32.27 | cat | etch |
| 18:32.29 | cat | let's see |
| 18:32.32 | Cyis | dimbit: Now I don't know about aquamarine... just emerald for the decorator |
| 18:32.46 | dimbit | ok. I used the one they recommended for amd64 and apt didn't like it. "dpkg -i" bitched circularly about dependencies |
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| 18:33.26 | admin_ | Here is dmesg for my SD card, It wont mount, I think i have to reformat it, but how would I do that since I dont even know if its mounted? http://pastebin.com/843847 |
| 18:33.48 | dimbit | although it is working now with apt... |
| 18:33.57 | Cyis | dimbit: I only installed the i386 arch... |
| 18:34.08 | Cyis | I just re-installed my amd64 desktop with i386 as well |
| 18:34.23 | Cyis | got tired of apps not working properly on amd64 |
| 18:34.38 | dimbit | I just went dual-core so not giving up on it ;) |
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| 18:34.45 | dimbit | but how do you start veryl once installed? |
| 18:34.48 | cat | im getting an error with some key issue pumpkin0 |
| 18:34.51 | dimbit | "beryl --replace" ? |
| 18:35.26 | pumpkin0 | cat: key ? |
| 18:35.44 | pumpkin0 | admin_: "mkdir /testdir; mount /deb/sdb1 /testdir" ? |
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| 18:35.59 | dimbit | Cyis: is there any way to keep kde decorations? |
| 18:36.06 | pumpkin0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.06 | Cyis | dimbit: after I had it installed I just went through the settings managers and configured some things then started the beryl manager |
| 18:36.19 | Cyis | dimbit: not sure as I use GNOME rather than KDE |
| 18:36.41 | dimbit | ah, ok |
| 18:36.41 | CharminTheMoose | are ide harddisks named hda by linux and scsi disks named sda? |
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| 18:36.58 | dimbit | I have the same issue I had with compiz - no window decorations in either gnome or kde |
| 18:37.02 | cahoot | hd and sd |
| 18:37.06 | dimbit | no borders or title bars |
| 18:37.08 | PerfDave | CharminTheMoose: PATA disks are hdX, SCSI and SATA are sdX, IIRC |
| 18:37.21 | blondie | and USB ones |
| 18:37.25 | blondie | (are sdX) |
| 18:37.30 | CharminTheMoose | PATA? |
| 18:37.43 | blondie | parallel ATA (normal IDE) |
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| 18:37.44 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: IDE, ATA ... old-style. |
| 18:37.55 | earthian | hey.. where do i set mysql to create logs? :s |
| 18:38.04 | CharminTheMoose | ah,thanks guys |
| 18:38.05 | Cyis | dimbit: Hmm... same issue I had with compiz on amd64 install... and my boss has with an i386 install on his laptop... |
| 18:38.08 | CharminTheMoose | quite informative |
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| 18:38.30 | dimbit | Cyis: any ideas??? |
| 18:38.34 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: at least in 2.6 :P |
| 18:38.51 | CharminTheMoose | i'm using 2.6 |
| 18:38.54 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 18:39.06 | earthian | i am using 2.7 |
| 18:39.13 | earthian | < liar :( |
| 18:39.23 | jelly-home | there is no spoon |
| 18:39.30 | Cyis | dimbit: Not sure... I hadn't had a chance to try working on fixing my boss's laptop issue... for me I installed beryl/emerald on amd64 FC6 and it worked... I just re-installed with i386 Etch on my desktop but haven't configured beryl/emerald on it again yet |
| 18:39.31 | jelly-home | s/spoon/2.7/ |
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| 18:39.33 | CharminTheMoose | i thought 2.7 was development |
| 18:39.43 | cat | damn i need to buy my self a new. laptop |
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| 18:40.40 | earthian | lol |
| 18:40.50 | Cyis | she called me up to ask if it was any good and reading off the specs... told her that was great for me so what did she get herself |
| 18:41.00 | dimbit | lol |
| 18:41.02 | pumpkin0 | cat: key.... apt-get key ? ... you did read the topic ? |
| 18:41.04 | Cyis | told her it was too much for her :) |
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| 18:41.29 | Str0m | damn i dont remember what the copy command is.. is it mv? |
| 18:41.34 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,do i have a problem if i enjoy reading tutorials on linux? |
| 18:41.34 | DerJamster | cp |
| 18:41.35 | Str0m | or is that to move it? |
| 18:41.37 | admin_ | What is a command line program specifically used to format an SD card? |
| 18:41.43 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: cp = copy, mv = move |
| 18:41.47 | Str0m | oki thx |
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| 18:41.56 | Cyis | hell I'm stuck here at my in-laws making use of their workstations (Windows 98se on a P-III w/ 64MB RAM) |
| 18:42.04 | earthian | rm = remove so be cautious! |
| 18:42.07 | pumpkin0 | admin_: where is no special command for that. |
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| 18:42.16 | Cyis | Last time we were here I kept crashing it running VNC back to my workstation at home |
| 18:42.17 | admin_ | pumpkin0: There is, I've used it before |
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| 18:42.38 | pumpkin0 | admin_: you think about the fat-format command ? |
| 18:42.40 | cahoot | mkfs.vfat? |
| 18:42.49 | admin_ | pumpkin0: nope |
| 18:43.15 | dimbit | Cyis: always carry a knoppix cd ;) |
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| 18:43.16 | Cyis | I'd just really would have liked to see gnome-volume-manager in Etch using gnome-mount rather than pmount |
| 18:43.28 | abrotman | Cyis: the sad part is .. unless they've got a pile of stuff running .. it's using like 32MB :) |
| 18:43.32 | Cyis | dimbit: I thought about bringing a liveCD |
| 18:44.13 | Cyis | I just shake my head when I see it's a P-III with only 64MB ... Could have atleast put 256MB |
| 18:44.26 | Cyis | when I build a system I don't put anything less than 512 |
| 18:44.42 | CharminTheMoose | Cyis,always carry a DSL cd around for underpowered blowy systems like mine. |
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| 18:44.49 | CharminTheMoose | except mine can't even boot from cd |
| 18:44.54 | abrotman | Cyis: you could be a nice guy and buy them some |
| 18:44.55 | dimbit | damn small linux then ;) |
| 18:45.05 | dimbit | stick it on a business card cd |
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| 18:45.42 | Cyis | abrotman: I just built my sister a computer from my spare parts ... AMD 900Mhz w/ 512MB, 80GB HDD and a CDRW |
| 18:46.05 | evan_ | how can i find out what video driver my video card need? because i got a realy oold phonix cideo card i think it runs on nvidia |
| 18:46.09 | Cyis | abrotman: I'd buy more RAM but it's old DIMMs |
| 18:46.17 | __RvGaTe | wtf, i cant change my nickname |
| 18:46.40 | __RvGaTe | RvGaTe ##overflow :Cannot send to channel so cannot change nicks |
| 18:46.45 | pumpkin0 | evan_: lspci -v + google. |
| 18:46.51 | abrotman | Cyis: you can still get htem |
| 18:46.55 | evan_ | ok |
| 18:46.57 | Cyis | I would have brought my USB key but I don't think their system will boot properly off a USB key |
| 18:47.11 | pumpkin0 | __RvGaTe: leave all channels, change and join again. |
| 18:47.22 | jelly-home | !test |
| 18:47.23 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:47.34 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah... but wife and I are looking to get them a new computer and LCD display for a gift sometime soon... their monitor is about to die |
| 18:47.40 | __RvGaTe | pumpkin0,ehhm ? that will take ages |
| 18:47.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:47.57 | Cyis | for what they use it for... I could almost give them a Linux kiosk :) |
| 18:48.35 | jelly-home | Cyis: aren't touchscreens expensive? :-) |
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| 18:49.22 | pumpkin0 | __RvGaTe: retry now. |
| 18:49.45 | __RvGaTe | pumpkin0, same |
| 18:49.55 | __RvGaTe | brb |
| 18:50.09 | Thms | hmm, when I boot on a ETCH CD with my Core 2 Duo and Asus P5W DH Deluxe, that say: "hde: lost interrupt" -> What is that? |
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| 18:51.18 | pumpkin0 | Thms: hde ?? how many drives are in that box ? |
| 18:51.24 | Thms | pumpkin0, one |
| 18:51.30 | pumpkin0 | Thms: SATA ? |
| 18:51.51 | Thms | hmm can you repeat please I closed xchat -_- |
| 18:51.52 | SmallR2002 | hmmm |
| 18:51.53 | Cyis | anyone know if there's been any archives setup with the nvidia drivers? kinda like livna for Feodra? |
| 18:52.02 | SmallR2002 | is anyone familiar with bluetooth? |
| 18:52.04 | pumpkin0 | Thms: is it a SATA drive ? |
| 18:52.10 | Thms | pumpkin0, yes |
| 18:52.18 | pumpkin0 | !tell SmallR2002 about anyone |
| 18:53.07 | pumpkin0 | Thms: you should play with the BIOS options and try to make that error go away. It is not always serious, but if it happens a lot you may destroy our data. |
| 18:53.09 | SmallR2002 | no, really, i want to know if anyone is familiar with bluetooth rather than if they use <program name> |
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| 18:53.40 | pumpkin0 | SmallR2002: there are 505 users online so i guess the answer is: yes. |
| 18:53.44 | Thms | pumpkin0, when I boot on a kmuto.jp backported CD that work! But I play with wich options in the bios ? |
| 18:53.59 | SmallR2002 | you never know |
| 18:54.02 | SmallR2002 | i'm having issues persuading my device be detected by other devices |
| 18:54.11 | Thms | pumpkin0, that make that since I upgraded the kmuto sarge to etch :( |
| 18:54.55 | pumpkin0 | Thms: the SATA-drivers are not 100% the same in all kernels. You may have hit a version that cannot cope with your chipset/settings. |
| 18:55.03 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: bt devices can be configured to be visible or not |
| 18:55.18 | SmallR2002 | jelly, i'd guessed that mate, any idea how? |
| 18:55.18 | Laser | someone say laser |
| 18:55.25 | Thms | pumpkin0, how to do so ? I want a official version.. not a modified like kmuto.jp |
| 18:55.27 | SmallR2002 | mmmn |
| 18:55.38 | SmallR2002 | maybe i need to search visible instead of discover |
| 18:55.39 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: ... check the manual? :-) |
| 18:55.46 | SmallR2002 | jelly, i am, i am |
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| 18:56.29 | valdyn | Thms: debian cant ship new 'official' kernel's with stable, you are bound to use backports.org or kmuto.jp or your own custom |
| 18:56.33 | tuvwx | i get 'invalid gpg signature' for one paricular mirror when updating. can this be fixed or is it the mirror's fault? |
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| 18:56.41 | SmallR2002 | (i had this faint hope that someone might go 'ah, do /bin/make-bluetooth-device-visible' or something else useful) |
| 18:57.00 | Thms | valdyn, I can use ETCH or SID, i just want to have official... |
| 18:57.10 | pumpkin0 | tuvwx: if it's only one mirror: change to another mirror. Something is very odd and you should avoid that mirror. |
| 18:57.15 | jelly-home | SmallR2002: well, my Nokia phone has an option like "My phone's visibilty" in the bt seetings menu. |
| 18:57.49 | SmallR2002 | jelly, yup, so do all my devices, just got to get my adaptor to do the same |
| 18:58.23 | valdyn | Thms: your error could aswell be due to bad cabling btw |
| 18:58.37 | Thms | valdyn, why bad cabling ? |
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| 18:59.17 | valdyn | Thms: why? interrupts are bound to get lost if cabling is bad.. |
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| 19:00.03 | Thms | valdyn, my cabling is good, I boot windows correctly atm.. |
| 19:00.18 | CharminTheMoose | p |
| 19:00.48 | valdyn | Thms: i dont know what really doesnt work with your system, the error alone is not critical |
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| 19:01.13 | daxxar | !ops |
| 19:01.13 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 19:01.22 | RvGaTe | pfff... fixed |
| 19:01.26 | daxxar | !ops [B]abyCool16 is a spam-bot spamming a "free porno videos"-site. |
| 19:01.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: daxxar complains about: [B]abyCool16 is a spam-bot spamming a "free porno videos"-site. |
| 19:01.46 | daxxar | (onjoin) |
| 19:02.58 | Thms | valdyn, maybe ETCH is not ready.. 1 month ago I can't boot on it, now it boot with this error :P |
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| 19:10.33 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 19:11.10 | Aleks | Hello yos87 |
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| 19:11.16 | yos87 | I have question, somebody know an ssh graphic package for Debian? |
| 19:11.22 | yos87 | Aleks: how are you? |
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| 19:11.41 | gravity_ | putty? |
| 19:11.43 | Aleks | hi yos87 |
| 19:12.10 | yos87 | aleks: i said how are you? |
| 19:12.12 | Aleks | you can konqueror |
| 19:12.14 | Laser | :P |
| 19:12.16 | zinx | !ops [B]abyCool16!n=CranBerr@88.243.42.176 yep, it's free porno spammer again. |
| 19:12.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: [B]abyCool16!n=CranBerr@88.243.42.176 yep, it's free porno spammer again. |
| 19:12.16 | Laser | :p |
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| 19:12.41 | yos87 | gravity_: but in putty you can remote , you cannot copy data, isn't it? |
| 19:12.43 | Cyis | ssh graphic package? |
| 19:12.45 | Aleks | put in konqueror fish://192.168.0.x |
| 19:13.07 | yos87 | Cyis: to transfer data from another pc |
| 19:13.23 | kspath | yos87, openssh |
| 19:13.40 | Aleks | yos87 with konqueror |
| 19:13.58 | Aleks | with machines windows use winscp |
| 19:14.05 | yos87 | aleks: how with konqueror? |
| 19:14.12 | yos87 | aleks: not windows ! |
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| 19:14.21 | yos87 | aleks: debian to debian |
| 19:14.34 | Cyis | guess scp is too hard? |
| 19:14.34 | yos87 | kspath: couldn't find package name |
| 19:14.37 | Aleks | yos87 use konqueror |
| 19:14.44 | yos87 | how? |
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| 19:14.59 | yos87 | aleks: how to access the other pc from the browser? |
| 19:15.06 | Aleks | in address bar put fish://192.168.0.x yos87 |
| 19:15.07 | hipodilski | is there a way to rip macromedia flash videos under linux? |
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| 19:15.40 | DUAL_MAN | hellp everyone |
| 19:15.48 | DUAL_MAN | now chatting on my brand new debian system |
| 19:15.54 | DUAL_MAN | ......I like it |
| 19:15.57 | Kevin` | hi DUAL_MAN |
| 19:16.13 | Kevin` | what debian release? |
| 19:16.20 | yos87 | aleks: not registed protocol ! |
| 19:16.34 | yos87 | aleks: are you sure about that? |
| 19:16.48 | DUAL_MAN | is there a way to make a disk with all the packages i want to install into a different system |
| 19:17.16 | DUAL_MAN | kevin: i downloaded yesterday |
| 19:17.29 | Kevin` | if you didn't remove them, all the packages you installed are in /var/.. I forget exactly where |
| 19:17.32 | DUAL_MAN | what do u mean bi release? |
| 19:17.41 | Kevin` | apt cache |
| 19:17.45 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, cache is the WayBAckMachine at http://www.archive.org |
| 19:17.45 | Kevin` | apt archives? |
| 19:17.46 | apt | archives are at: http://ibot.rikers.org/oe/ |
| 19:17.52 | Kevin` | sorry apt |
| 19:17.53 | yos87 | aleks ?? |
| 19:18.39 | Kevin` | DUAL_MAN sarge, etch? |
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| 19:19.23 | DUAL_MAN | Kevin: sarge |
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| 19:19.55 | h3xis | DUAL_MAN, you should try etch ;) |
| 19:20.08 | DUAL_MAN | Kenin: so i could actually share them with other computers on my network? |
| 19:20.16 | Kevin` | if you did find /var -name \*.deb the dir with all the packages would show up quickly |
| 19:20.25 | DUAL_MAN | h3xis: what's the difference? |
| 19:20.28 | Kevin` | I forget exactly what it's called |
| 19:20.31 | Kevin` | etch is newer |
| 19:20.36 | h3xis | etch uses xorg |
| 19:20.42 | h3xis | newer packages |
| 19:20.56 | blaamann | DUAL_MAN: etch will be the next (soon to be released) Debian stable |
| 19:20.56 | DUAL_MAN | is it stable? |
| 19:20.59 | h3xis | i think so |
| 19:21.00 | abrotman | no |
| 19:21.02 | h3xis | enough anyway |
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| 19:21.18 | DUAL_MAN | well i'll be able to upgrade then right? |
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| 19:21.31 | marcin | h |
| 19:21.37 | marcin | hi |
| 19:21.37 | DUAL_MAN | h3xis: what is xorg |
| 19:21.40 | Kevin` | yes |
| 19:21.42 | Kevin` | you can upgrade |
| 19:21.44 | gravity_ | DUAL_MAN: You can upgrade easily at any point |
| 19:21.46 | h3xis | xserver, DUAL_MAN |
| 19:21.52 | gravity_ | DUAL_MAN: But you can't downgrade without a reinstall |
| 19:21.53 | h3xis | you are using xfree86 atm |
| 19:21.54 | marcin | on which cd of debian is gnome? |
| 19:22.00 | h3xis | marcin, disc 1 |
| 19:22.17 | DUAL_MAN | what is better kde or gnome? |
| 19:22.24 | Kevin` | opinion |
| 19:22.28 | Kevin` | gnome |
| 19:22.32 | marcin | h3xis: thx ::) |
| 19:22.41 | marcin | and what is on 2nd? |
| 19:22.46 | marcin | 2nd cd? |
| 19:22.50 | h3xis | not sure. i never download the second |
| 19:22.56 | gravity_ | DUAL_MAN: Try them both and see which you like better. Give them both a fair shake though |
| 19:22.57 | h3xis | disc 1 is sufficient |
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| 19:23.06 | gravity_ | DUAL_MAN: And you can always use both, depending on your mood :-) |
| 19:23.11 | marcin | aaa |
| 19:23.18 | marcin | i downloaded 1st |
| 19:23.30 | marcin | and now im downloading 2nd |
| 19:23.43 | h3xis | marcin, the first is the base install. the other 13 CDs are just extra packages |
| 19:23.50 | Kevin` | easier to do a netsintall unless you have some specific reason not to |
| 19:24.13 | h3xis | this is true |
| 19:25.02 | DUAL_MAN | can i install them both on the same system? |
| 19:25.07 | h3xis | yes |
| 19:25.14 | h3xis | you can have as many desktop environments as you want |
| 19:25.25 | DUAL_MAN | how can i switch from one to the other then |
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| 19:25.34 | h3xis | in your login manager you will have the option |
| 19:25.38 | Cyis | anyone used gtkpod to manage their iPod content? |
| 19:25.38 | h3xis | it's usually "sessions" |
| 19:25.43 | DUAL_MAN | kool |
| 19:25.50 | m1ke_l | howdy |
| 19:25.51 | mahtava_matt | how do i get debian-live running from a usb stick? |
| 19:26.01 | m1ke_l | i am doing a apt-get update and it always seems to get stuck with: |
| 19:26.05 | m1ke_l | "99% [13 Packages bzip2 0]" |
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| 19:28.16 | DUAL_MAN | if i want to create a disk with custom packages, that has nothing to do with creating a cutsom kernel does it? |
| 19:28.25 | blondie | DUAL_MAN: correct |
| 19:29.04 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know where i can get libtclx.so? |
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| 19:29.11 | Cyis | mahtava_matt: did you checkout http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive ? |
| 19:29.34 | DUAL_MAN | so i've downloaded all tons of packages on this machine, can i now access them from a remote debian install |
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| 19:33.07 | DUAL_MAN | any recommendations for an email server? |
| 19:33.18 | Cyis | need to get myself a larger USB drive so I can put debian-live on it... |
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| 19:33.44 | logyati | hey friends |
| 19:33.52 | logyati | im trying to run aiglx |
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| 19:34.04 | logyati | im using etch with kernel 2.6.18-3 |
| 19:34.09 | zinx | !ops [B]abyCool16!n=CranBerr@88.243.42.176 is still onjoin spamming.. |
| 19:34.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: [B]abyCool16!n=CranBerr@88.243.42.176 is still onjoin spamming.. |
| 19:34.21 | logyati | im video card is nvidia fx 5200 |
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| 19:35.11 | logyati | so, when i install the drivers that i downloaded at the oficial site, this command 'cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep AIGLX' shows nothing |
| 19:35.17 | logyati | it seems that aiglx is not running |
| 19:35.28 | logyati | so, please, can anyone help me to fix that? |
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| 19:36.02 | gravity | Heh, peterS is faster than me |
| 19:36.23 | Cyis | logyati: are you using the open-source nv driver or the closed-source nvidia driver? |
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| 19:37.03 | mahtava_matt | Cyis: yeah i did but that is the live cd, i want to have a usb stick and not a cd |
| 19:37.26 | Cyis | mahtava_matt: there was a page describing booting from USB that I saw... |
| 19:37.42 | Cyis | mahtava_matt: unfortunately not on a Debian system (or Linux in general) right now |
| 19:38.11 | Cyis | actually wish I had thought about this last week and prepared a USB debian-live so I could try rebooting my in-laws windoze computer into Debian |
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| 19:38.31 | mahtava_matt | neither an i, it makes it a little harder |
| 19:38.49 | logyati | cyis: closed source, the one that you can download at www.nvidia.com |
| 19:39.12 | Cyis | logyati: which driver version? |
| 19:39.33 | logyati | cyis: 1.0-9746 |
| 19:40.12 | Cyis | logyati: did you try checking 'glxinfo' ? |
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| 19:41.13 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 19:41.13 | dpkg | [usb-install] Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 19:41.13 | logyati | cyis: direct rendering: yes |
| 19:41.20 | logyati | cyis: i tried |
| 19:41.31 | Alek1 | yos87 |
| 19:41.40 | mahtava_matt | Cyis: i'll keep looking and if i find out how to do it i'll be sure to let you know |
| 19:41.49 | abrotman | afaik .. nvidia doesn't support aiglx |
| 19:42.04 | Cyis | mahtava_matt: thanks I'm hoping to mess with it when I get back home Monday nite |
| 19:42.09 | logyati | cyis: should i add a line into xorg.conf to load AIGLX? |
| 19:42.16 | Cyis | abrotman: they latest versions do IIRC... |
| 19:42.39 | abrotman | only certain cards |
| 19:42.43 | Cyis | abrotman: Atleast I was using AIGLX on FC6 with the current Nvidia driver... |
| 19:42.57 | abrotman | Intel i830 to i945 graphic cards |
| 19:42.57 | abrotman | ATI Radeon cards up to X800 series |
| 19:42.57 | abrotman | NVIDIA graphic cards are supported in the 9xxx-series proprietary driver |
| 19:42.58 | Cyis | abrotman: okay that might be true... I had a GeForce 2 MX 400 |
| 19:43.05 | abrotman | nv |
| 19:43.26 | Cyis | hadn't tried with my GeForce FX 5200 |
| 19:43.52 | Cyis | and I have an Intel card at work |
| 19:44.03 | logyati | im gonna try a last shoot |
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| 19:44.04 | logyati | wait |
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| 19:46.26 | Cyis | guess I could go over to my brother-in-laws and burn a LiveCD ISO and come back here and boot it so I could work within Linux :) |
| 19:49.50 | peterrus | Yay today i converted another soul to linux :) |
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| 19:50.09 | peterrooney | peterrus: do tell |
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| 19:52.38 | peterrus | well, We build his new box today, a pentium 3 and stuff. and we are installing debian testing on it now, i am letting him to it all by hisself, so he learns :) |
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| 19:53.40 | Benzi | hey, what channel should I go to to ask about user authentication (getty, su, etc.)? |
| 19:54.37 | peterrus | Benzi: #linux? |
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| 19:54.58 | Benzi | okay, thanks, I'll try |
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| 20:03.32 | logyati | fruuuck!!! |
| 20:03.34 | logyati | i did it!!! |
| 20:03.36 | logyati | aiglx is working |
| 20:03.37 | logyati | hahaha |
| 20:03.41 | logyati | 3 days trying |
| 20:03.53 | logyati | it work well with fx 5200 |
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| 20:04.24 | logyati | well, any sugestions where to find nice gnome themes? |
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| 20:05.03 | jelly-home | Hi, is there some console calculator other than bc? |
| 20:05.04 | eduhat | hey guys. is there a way to install debian with a 2.6.17.13+ kernel? |
| 20:05.07 | Guerin | logyati: no such thing exists |
| 20:05.15 | Kevin` | jelly-home I like pcalc |
| 20:05.21 | Kevin` | it's nice for hex stuff |
| 20:05.24 | robin_sz | jelly, dc |
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| 20:05.27 | Guerin | eduhat: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 20:05.33 | jelly-home | robin_sz: :P |
| 20:05.53 | Kevin` | dc could quickly drive you insane if you've never used a calculator like that :D |
| 20:05.56 | robin_sz | jelly-home, ?? |
| 20:06.23 | jelly-home | robin_sz: looking for something _more_ userfriendly, and preferably non rpn. |
| 20:06.25 | Kevin` | 1 1+p |
| 20:06.25 | Kevin` | 2 |
| 20:06.32 | Kevin` | ya, that makes sense.. somehow |
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| 20:06.54 | jelly-home | that can do 0x5470 + 24 ;-) |
| 20:06.57 | robin_sz | jelly, kcalc? |
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| 20:07.06 | jelly-home | robin_sz: console? |
| 20:07.07 | logyati | guerin: what? |
| 20:07.12 | Kevin` | bart ~ # pcalc 0x5470+24 |
| 20:07.12 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.22 | jelly-home | Kevin`: that's nice |
| 20:07.22 | Guerin | logyati: i answered your question. |
| 20:07.29 | Kevin` | I know, isn't it? :) |
| 20:07.36 | Kevin` | I should go to sleep |
| 20:07.37 | eduhat | Guerin: will that install a 2.6.18 kernel for me? or will i have to have debian already installed then update my kernel to that? |
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| 20:07.52 | Guerin | eduhat: read the fucking link |
| 20:08.03 | Zap-W | how to stop kdm from loading on boot |
| 20:08.03 | Guerin | eduhat: the answer is `yes' |
| 20:08.10 | Guerin | Zap-W: uninstall it |
| 20:08.16 | robin_sz | Zap-W, uninstall it |
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| 20:08.30 | DUAL_MAN | what is the best way to pgrade to the most recent kernel |
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| 20:08.39 | Kevin` | Zap-W chmod -x /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 20:08.48 | Guerin | DUAL_MAN: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 20:08.53 | logyati | merdaaa |
| 20:08.57 | Guerin | DUAL_MAN: then install the one with the biggest number |
| 20:08.58 | Zap-W | isn't there a file the script reads to know if to start kdm or not |
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| 20:09.20 | Zap-W | okie |
| 20:09.23 | Guerin | Zap-W: man update-rc.d |
| 20:09.27 | Kevin` | Zap-W it's handled by the rc directories, technically, and /etc/inittab |
| 20:09.35 | Guerin | don't -x the init script |
| 20:09.48 | Kevin` | -x ing the script is ugly :) |
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| 20:10.35 | Kevin` | of course, uninstalling it is more so |
| 20:10.44 | Guerin | not really |
| 20:10.54 | Guerin | if you don't want it to run, don't have it installed |
| 20:11.13 | Kevin` | what if you want it to run sometimes, or only when you start it |
| 20:11.21 | DUAL_MAN | guerin: nothing shows up |
| 20:11.29 | Kevin` | DUAL_MAN kernel-image |
| 20:11.45 | Guerin | Kevin`: then you read man update-rc.d |
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| 20:12.03 | Guerin | DUAL_MAN: then you're running sarge and probably have the most recent kernel in sarge already |
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| 20:13.29 | maher | what's the debian way (tm) to make alsa load oss compatibility modules by default? |
| 20:13.36 | DUAL_MAN | guerin i have 2.4.XX |
| 20:13.44 | DUAL_MAN | i don't think that is the most recent one/ |
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| 20:14.17 | DUAL_MAN | guerin, that's not the most recent one, is it? |
| 20:14.42 | DoberMann | DUAL_MAN: linux-image and non kernel-image |
| 20:14.49 | DoberMann | s/non/not |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | maher: put them in /etc/modules |
| 20:15.22 | Guerin | DUAL_MAN: so do what Kevin` said and install 2.6.8 |
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| 20:15.28 | Guerin | DUAL_MAN: no. |
| 20:15.29 | ph | hello |
| 20:15.32 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:15.35 | Guerin | DoberMann: no |
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| 20:16.00 | ph | how can i put "acpi=off" as a default kernel parameter at boot? |
| 20:16.15 | Guerin | ph: read /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 20:16.55 | Kevin` | DUAL_MAN if you wanted the most recent everything, why are you using sarge? I should point out that compling a custom kerne really isn't hard, and the only debian packages you have to worry about messing up are drivers |
| 20:17.12 | ph | ok.i'll put it there.but won't this file be changed again if a new kernel package is installed? |
| 20:17.27 | PerfDave | ph: Read /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 20:17.46 | ph | are u robots or sth? |
| 20:17.56 | Guerin | ph: no, |
| 20:18.01 | Kevin` | yes, all bots |
| 20:18.06 | Guerin | ph: your question is answered by the information we've given |
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| 20:18.11 | Guerin | why won't you just read it? |
| 20:18.21 | ph | or are u the "read /boot/etc.."-file brothers? |
| 20:18.23 | ph | okok |
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| 20:19.13 | ph | my question is answered by the information u've given.blip-bloop.thank u a-n-d m-e-r-r-y -x-ma-s.over |
| 20:19.15 | DustyDin2o | hi |
| 20:19.27 | peterrus | right |
| 20:19.28 | Guerin | ph: the reason it won't be replaced when you reinstall is because that file isn't installed by the package, it's generated fresh whenever you run update-grub |
| 20:19.35 | Guerin | muh |
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| 20:20.02 | DustyDin2o | can someone explain this to me, i use pwgen to generate a password with the length of 512 bytes: pwgen -s 512 1 |
| 20:20.56 | DustyDin2o | but when i do pwgen -s512 1 > foo.key the file only has lowercase letters |
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| 20:21.41 | jelly-home | DustyDin2o: sounds like pwgen knows when its stdout it not a console and then fucks you over. |
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| 20:22.22 | PerfDave | DustyDin2o: Uhm, what if you do "pwgen -s 512 1 > foo.key"? |
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| 20:22.49 | pumpkin0 | DustyDin2o: read the man-page: "-c, --capitalize Include at least one capital letter in the password. This is the default if the standard output is a tty device." If it is not a tty device you need -c if you want caps. |
| 20:22.50 | cahoot_ | add a -c? |
| 20:22.51 | DustyDin2o | jelly-home: well i know that there are some really cruddy bastards out there, but what would be the reason to code such bullshit? |
| 20:22.55 | linnuxxy | i've downloaded a source of a package using 'apt-get source packagename' .... how to build it with extra build options? |
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| 20:23.26 | CharminTheMoose | edit the makefile linuxxy? |
| 20:23.33 | PerfDave | DustyDin2o: I just did "pwgen -s 512 1 > foo.key" and the resulting file has capital leters. |
| 20:23.44 | PerfDave | linnuxxy: Look in debian/rules |
| 20:24.02 | jelly-home | DustyDin2o: beats me... but it's documented. |
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| 20:24.06 | DUAL_MAN | Kevin: how do i upgrade to the latest distro? |
| 20:24.15 | PerfDave | linnuxxy: Or read the Debian documentation on working with source packages |
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| 20:24.50 | jelly-home | DustyDin2o: In addition, for backwards compatibility reasons, pwgen will not use upper case letters or numbers by default in this mode, although this can be overridden using the -n and -c options |
| 20:24.59 | DustyDin2o | jelly-home: -c works for me, but no idear what is the reason for |
| 20:25.33 | jelly-home | DustyDin2o: bugwards combatability! |
| 20:25.41 | DustyDin2o | k, thanks, read over this in the manpage :( |
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| 20:27.11 | SmallR2002 | humph |
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| 20:27.18 | SmallR2002 | still can't get this to do exactly what i want |
| 20:28.20 | DUAL_MAN | when i try and update kernel: could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 20:28.29 | DUAL_MAN | what is the problem |
| 20:28.41 | blondie | are you root? |
| 20:28.59 | blondie | are you installing something else at the same time? |
| 20:29.00 | DUAL_MAN | i logged into the terminal as root |
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| 20:29.04 | DUAL_MAN | no |
| 20:29.22 | blondie | finer |
| 20:29.24 | blondie | -re |
| 20:29.30 | blondie | pselling fail :() |
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| 20:30.49 | DUAL_MAN | srry |
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| 20:31.08 | DUAL_MAN | what could be my problem, i didn't get anthing |
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| 20:34.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | All GTK apps seem to open links in Galeon. How do I change it to Konqueror? |
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| 20:35.13 | zinx | change debian-sensible-browser? |
| 20:35.33 | zinx | well, just 'sensible-browser' i guess it is |
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| 20:36.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | zinx: ? |
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| 20:36.56 | mentor | Dark_Apostrophe: Preferred Applications? alternatives? |
| 20:37.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | mentor: I don't use GNOME. |
| 20:37.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | mentor: I don't know where to change it. |
| 20:37.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hell, I don't even have GNOME installed. |
| 20:37.45 | blondie | I think you need to change x-www-browser or something using update-altersnatives maybe |
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| 20:38.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: Ok |
| 20:38.05 | mentor | Hmmm, well, I'm not sure what to do on the GTK level... .gtkrc? |
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| 20:38.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | mentor: Nothing in there about it |
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| 20:38.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: Can't figure out how to use the app |
| 20:39.11 | mentor | update-alternatives? |
| 20:39.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | mentor: Yup |
| 20:39.39 | mentor | man page |
| 20:40.13 | Acu | god: why nothing works from first attempt in Debian ? - Eg. I try the simplest SAMBA connection to windows and it takes one hour to make it work then drops - You try to format a DVD-RW with K3B - then the DVD is not seen by Debian or Windows - I mean this is the commonest simplest thing you would expect from an operating system to work - and it does not - is any solution at all for this? (Except the obvious one: Windows) |
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| 20:40.54 | PerfDave | Acu: Clearly the world just hates you. |
| 20:41.14 | mentor | Acu: Documentation, More Software. |
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| 20:41.46 | Acu | PerfDave: that's not a solution in making Debian more functional and for people who have less than three hours to burn a DVD or connect to a network |
| 20:42.00 | PerfDave | Acu: See, Debian does those things just fine for me. |
| 20:42.08 | DerJamster | I would answer to you question if I ever had those problems with Debian. |
| 20:42.20 | Cyis | I create and burn DVD's in 10-15 minutes |
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| 20:42.21 | itchi | Acu: Take beer :-) |
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| 20:42.43 | itchi | Acu: Look like you got some sad chances |
| 20:42.48 | grndslm | soo...i've asked this before and gotten a couple different answers: are the C2Duos really more efficient than the Core Duos? |
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| 20:43.14 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: more efficient in what ? |
| 20:43.24 | PerfDave | Acu: It would help if you tried to tackle one problem at a time, and gave us enough information to actually help you. |
| 20:43.30 | grndslm | pumpkin0: battery life |
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| 20:43.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: It was x-www-browser. Thanks. |
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| 20:44.03 | itchi | Acu: The problem with GNU/Linux is; that you need to know how to do the job, if you not know how goes it; read stuff about it |
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| 20:44.34 | PerfDave | itchi: You do? I just make it up as I go along :) |
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| 20:44.55 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: good |
| 20:44.56 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: unless you run something funny (games) the CPU is consuming about 10-15% of battery... |
| 20:44.57 | grndslm | pumpkin0: I've seen that since the C2's run 10+% quicker with the same exact power requirements as the CD's, the C2's are more efficient....but I see lots of others saying that the C2's do indeed run warmer and drain batteries quicker |
| 20:45.18 | itchi | PerfDave: Sure i read stuff, if i not need to know which stuff i need to read, i ask for; and people point to the right place to read |
| 20:45.34 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: clock down a bit, way for the undervolt-patch and things will change again. |
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| 20:45.49 | grndslm | pumpkin0: i can undervolt a core2?? |
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| 20:45.56 | grndslm | that'd be friggin' sweet news |
| 20:45.59 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: not yet. |
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| 20:46.00 | itchi | PerfDave: oeps s/if\ i not\ need/if\ i\ not\ know/ |
| 20:46.21 | grndslm | pumpkin0: how far along is this patch? |
| 20:46.26 | grndslm | few months |
| 20:46.39 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: It took a while to get the pentiumM undervolted. I guess about 6 months. |
| 20:47.23 | grndslm | pumpkin0: so, you would recommend getting the C2D T7200 2.0GHz over a CD T2400 1.66GHz?? |
| 20:47.29 | PerfDave | itchi: Why are you escaping your spaces there? |
| 20:47.46 | itchi | PerfDave: Because it need, (just forget one there) |
| 20:47.51 | grndslm | pumpkin0: it's like a $140 difference between the two |
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| 20:48.07 | Acu | PerfDave: OK, lets write somestuff on ad DVD-RW - I have Debian Etch RC1 - Pentium4 an Lacie External DVD writer (Pioneer Drive ) and DVD-rewritable Fuji - I go to K3B - Tools Format DVD-RW then what? |
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| 20:48.10 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: less if you apply non-offical patches to your kernel. But anyway: in office or while browsing the CPU consumes a tiny bit of power (compared to the display). Today i would buy the fastes PentiumM. |
| 20:48.25 | itchi | Acu: You want maybe #samba too |
| 20:48.44 | PerfDave | itchi: What language needs to escape spaces in regular expressions? |
| 20:48.54 | itchi | Acu: You gona see, once you know how to do it, it will take you 2 minutes the next time |
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| 20:49.06 | PerfDave | Acu: You've got a DVD-R drive and a DVD-RW drive? |
| 20:49.11 | itchi | PerfDave: Python regex?? |
| 20:49.18 | PerfDave | itchi: Oh, not a real language then. |
| 20:49.34 | itchi | PerfDave: Yeah, if you think so |
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| 20:49.45 | itchi | PerfDave: Maybe you not know what an language is :-p |
| 20:49.47 | grndslm | pumpkin0: i don't have a choice for pentium m or not...just CD & C2D. I chose the PortableOne SX because it has a transflective screen which I hope will save me a good chunk of battery life! |
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| 20:49.59 | PerfDave | itchi: I've used Python. It's not a language, it's an abombination. |
| 20:50.20 | abrotman | at least it's not perl! |
| 20:50.25 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: PortableOne MX or SX ? |
| 20:50.30 | itchi | PerfDave: ... if you think so, wonder why it's default installed on almost _all_ distro's |
| 20:50.36 | Acu | PerfDave: I have a DVD drive wich writes DVD - or + DVD rewritable DVDs - I have the media which is DVD+RW - I formated it with K3B but I do not see it anywhere |
| 20:50.38 | Cyis | abrotman: I'll agree with that... |
| 20:50.40 | grndslm | pumpkin0: SX |
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| 20:50.47 | Cyis | writing python code reminds me of COBOL |
| 20:50.53 | abrotman | itchi: because lazy programmers write stuff in python? :) |
| 20:50.58 | PerfDave | itchi: Windows is installed by default on almost all *computers* |
| 20:51.05 | blondie | abrotman: no, that's php! ;) |
| 20:51.13 | abrotman | blondie: that too |
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| 20:51.20 | matholio | if I upgrade from Sarge to Etch, sould I have any expectations that it will go smoothly ? |
| 20:51.24 | itchi | abrotman: Nope, i not see what there is somethings lazy to do, with an language that are many more _logic_ |
| 20:51.27 | murosai | how can i change my default compiler (gcc)? |
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| 20:51.39 | PerfDave | matholio: Not really, no. |
| 20:51.39 | matholio | apache, php, mysql, mailman,exim4, |
| 20:51.40 | abrotman | itchi: no |
| 20:51.49 | PerfDave | Acu: You have a Lacie DVD+/-RW drive, and Fuji DVD-RW media? |
| 20:52.26 | itchi | Does matter, i like my toy, and i know why, so i'm happy enought. |
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| 20:52.44 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: so ... are you going to run a lot of CPU-hungry stuff or just office ? |
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| 20:53.30 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 20:53.30 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 20:53.34 | itchi | PerfDave: What's your language, let me devine 'Perl'?? |
| 20:53.52 | PerfDave | itchi: C, C++, Perl, bash, and I'm learning a bit of Ruby. |
| 20:53.53 | abrotman | python is for girls! |
| 20:53.58 | grndslm | pumpkin0: prolly mostly office & browsing, etc...but i'm looking for best value & need to consider the timing of future 64bit apps, etc... |
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| 20:54.46 | murosai | how can i change my default gcc compiler? |
| 20:55.00 | abrotman | you really don't want to |
| 20:55.01 | grndslm | what're your opinions on the state of 64-bit desktop linux? |
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| 20:55.09 | abrotman | it's great! |
| 20:55.10 | PerfDave | murosai: What are you trying to compile? |
| 20:55.10 | itchi | Yeah, drop all your toys on Debian that are writen in Python |
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| 20:55.34 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: go for CD. 64 Bit is not going to be a requirement for a long time. And at idle both CPUs are nearly at the same power-level. + the CD will have undervolting first, months before the C2D. |
| 20:55.34 | abrotman | python makes the pope cry! |
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| 20:55.43 | diskus | grndslm: there's just no reason to use 64-bit yet, there's more minuses than plusses |
| 20:55.57 | Acu | PerfDave is a DVD+RW media |
| 20:56.04 | itchi | abrotman: I guess, you can not use python, or you have fail when you tried to learn it?? |
| 20:56.05 | PerfDave | Acu: No I'm not |
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| 20:56.21 | Acu | PerfDave: :) |
| 20:56.26 | abrotman | itchi: are you serious? |
| 20:56.32 | itchi | abrotman: And you maybe?? |
| 20:56.33 | diskus | PervDave :P |
| 20:56.38 | Acu | PefDave: I know you are perfect |
| 20:56.40 | matholio | How can you fail to learn python ? |
| 20:56.45 | abrotman | itchi: use whatever language you want |
| 20:56.47 | abrotman | matholio: i have no idea |
| 20:57.08 | itchi | Never heard about productivity? |
| 20:57.14 | PerfDave | If you're *just* doing desktop stuff, then there's no real advantage to 64-bit. |
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| 20:57.32 | Cyis | I just re-installed my amd64 workstation at home to i386 because I was getting tired of the lack of support in apps |
| 20:57.32 | diskus | well python syntax is odd and strange :P |
| 20:57.33 | abrotman | also nothing wrong with it |
| 20:57.36 | itchi | Write somethings in C, after 10 years your done; and your app are already out of the bussiness |
| 20:57.37 | abrotman | 64bit desktop i mean |
| 20:57.43 | Acu | While I fix my DVD-RW problem - I have a stupid question for you guys - is C++ usefull for linux ? |
| 20:57.56 | PerfDave | itchi: Tell that to the Linux kernel :) |
| 20:58.00 | abrotman | Acu: yes |
| 20:58.12 | matholio | If it's a stupid question, don't ask it. |
| 20:58.16 | Acu | abrotman: why? |
| 20:58.17 | PerfDave | Acu: C++ is a programming language. Many things available for GNU/Linux are written in C++ |
| 20:58.17 | abrotman | itchi: which desktop do you use ? |
| 20:58.24 | abrotman | Acu: lots of things are written in C++ |
| 20:58.33 | Acu | abrotman: like ? |
| 20:58.38 | abrotman | KDE ? |
| 20:58.39 | itchi | abrotman: Last 2 months Gnome, but before that i used Fluxbox, xfce |
| 20:58.48 | eap_ | Cyis: if i may ask? lack of support to which apps ? |
| 20:58.52 | PerfDave | Isn't Gnome writtne in C? |
| 20:58.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Acu: KDE is in need of c++ devs |
| 20:58.55 | abrotman | itchi: GNOME is largely written in C .. fluxbox in C++ IIRC |
| 20:58.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | PerfDave: No. |
| 20:59.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | PerfDave: All of GTK is in C. |
| 20:59.08 | blondie | itchi: good choice |
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| 20:59.16 | abrotman | there are GTK bindings for other languages |
| 20:59.19 | PerfDave | Dark_Apostrophe: Same difference :) |
| 20:59.20 | Cyis | well when browsing web sites it gets tiresome to have the page be unusable because you don't have a working java or flash plugin |
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| 20:59.24 | grndslm | pumpkin0: prolly good advice, the PortableOne guy told me that they don't solder processors on the motherboard, so i could always update to C2D later |
| 20:59.30 | io2 | hey, how can i get wireless working on etch? |
| 20:59.39 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: what? |
| 20:59.39 | abrotman | deepnds on chipset |
| 20:59.45 | io2 | ipw2200 |
| 20:59.46 | PerfDave | Cyis: I don't have Java or Flash on x86 Debian, it makes life much nicer. |
| 20:59.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: You don't like KDE. |
| 20:59.49 | io2 | centrino |
| 20:59.52 | eap_ | Cyis: ah! flash, true, but im using 64 and besides that, no complains |
| 20:59.54 | abrotman | !tell io2 about ipw2200 |
| 20:59.59 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: I have taste :p |
| 21:00.27 | io2 | hm |
| 21:00.29 | itchi | abrotman: maybe you want -about |
| 21:00.36 | abrotman | no |
| 21:00.38 | abrotman | i'm just fine |
| 21:00.41 | Acu | io2: un advise from somebody who doesnot know much: first you have to know wheter there is driver for linux for your wireless card - if no you need to use and install ndiswrap |
| 21:00.44 | Cyis | the other grip that I have is needing to run i386 in a chroot on amd64 as running pure-64 is not practical |
| 21:00.51 | io2 | so the way listed at ipw2200's site on sourceforge doesn't work for debian? |
| 21:00.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | blondie: Well, since most of GNOME is either grey or..erm...shit-coloured, I'm not sure how good that taste of yours is. |
| 21:01.03 | Cyis | unless etch changed and lets you install both i386 and amd64 packages properly |
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| 21:01.04 | io2 | Acu, there is XD |
| 21:01.05 | blondie | it's great. |
| 21:01.09 | abrotman | io2: they might .. but it's less work to use The Debian Way |
| 21:01.25 | abrotman | !multiarch |
| 21:01.25 | dpkg | from memory, multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 21:01.35 | PerfDave | Cyis: Depends on your definition of "not practical" |
| 21:01.36 | io2 | i did compile the driver and had the firmare on place |
| 21:01.40 | io2 | wlan0 is not up tho |
| 21:01.45 | io2 | it doesn't even show up. |
| 21:01.48 | abrotman | io2: did you see what the bot told you ? |
| 21:01.52 | itchi | he, At all, it's just an matter of personall choice, like MS Windows or Debian GNU/Linux, no need of war about everyonse personal choice :-p |
| 21:01.55 | io2 | yep |
| 21:02.02 | abrotman | try it .. let us know if it still doesn't work |
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| 21:02.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What's less work to do The Debian Wayâ„¢? |
| 21:02.29 | io2 | it's funny... but seems like that this time the debian way is actually harder. |
| 21:02.35 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: ipw2200 |
| 21:02.41 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 21:02.42 | dpkg | ipw2200 is, like, a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 21:02.42 | pumpkin0 | grndslm: (looking at the prices) did you consider a IBM R60 ? |
| 21:02.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Aside from kernel compilation, I've found everything done in The Debian Wayâ„¢ to be harder |
| 21:02.44 | abrotman | how is that hard ? |
| 21:02.45 | Cyis | then the multiarch support has been added since I ran Debian on my workstation last... because it wasn't an option at the time |
| 21:02.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Especially nVIDIA installation. |
| 21:02.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What's that? |
| 21:02.55 | abrotman | it's freaking one line |
| 21:02.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Some kernel module? |
| 21:03.02 | abrotman | wifi driver |
| 21:03.02 | io2 | doing it the standard way just took me make and make install... |
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| 21:03.09 | abrotman | io2: but it doesn't work |
| 21:03.09 | grndslm | pumpkin0: i was looking at the T60 & X60....not the R-series |
| 21:03.11 | mike1980 | HI guys for some screws up reason I can't get kwebdesktop to display a remote image on my desktop could anyone plase help me set it up |
| 21:03.13 | grndslm | i'm going for portability |
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| 21:03.27 | grndslm | pumpkin0: and i just have to try out the transflective screen |
| 21:03.41 | grndslm | IBM/Lenovo had a 15% restocking fee, portableone did not |
| 21:03.48 | eap_ | Cyis: well there is the ia32libs, but ive never used it, im running pure64 as a personal desktop+worskation |
| 21:04.35 | Cyis | eap_: so did amd64 and ia64 start installing libs into /usr/lib64 rather than making /usr/lib64 a symlink to /usr/lib |
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| 21:04.42 | Pachuca | hello |
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| 21:05.20 | kombi | to find everything younger then 10 minutes but nothing in directory "foo": find . -name '/foo' -prune -o -print -mtime -10 ? (actually not..) |
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| 21:05.34 | kombi | ..quite.. |
| 21:05.36 | Pachuca | I'm compiling a kernel and I need to support my msi star key bluetooth dongle. I know linux supports it, but I can't figure out which kernel module I need for it. can anyone help me out? |
| 21:05.46 | eap_ | Cyis: well no, on testing, right now, lib64 symlinks to lib on my system |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 21:05.53 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 21:06.02 | abrotman | erm .. i guess that's for pci .. |
| 21:06.12 | mike1980 | !kwebdesktop |
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| 21:06.29 | PerfDave | Pachuca: WHy are you compiling a kernel? |
| 21:06.33 | eap_ | Cyis: i should probably mention im crazy enough to not use anything if its not 64 & in deb :-) |
| 21:06.35 | Cyis | eap_: which will make multiarch problematic as a 32-bit lib will want to install into /usr/lib and a 64-bit lib will want to install into /usr/lib causing a conflict... not very practical |
| 21:07.24 | Pachuca | PerfDave, because I want to. |
| 21:07.26 | eap_ | Cyis: True, for a workstation @ office, i run 32 bit in a chroot (test) |
| 21:07.34 | kombi | or let's put it this way, anyone good with 'find' around here? I need to output all files but one dir.. |
| 21:07.36 | io2 | okay |
| 21:07.48 | Cyis | eap_: yeah I did the chroot route and it became a headache handling updates |
| 21:07.48 | io2 | reinstalled the modules the debian way, modprobed okay, |
| 21:07.52 | io2 | and still no wlan0 |
| 21:07.55 | abrotman | io2: see .. it's not so hard :) |
| 21:07.59 | abrotman | io2: anything in dmesg ? |
| 21:08.06 | Acu | out of frustration I am going to make a website with videos of all this simple things which you geeks consider worthless and trivial - how to connect to a windows network, how to format and use a DVD RW, how to install a wireless - this things are so basic and NO ONE can make them work from first attempt - and the training is so long and frustrating - I know Ubuntu is the result of the same frustration - but we need to make Debian user base big |
| 21:08.07 | Acu | ger - so it seem some rockies have to start easy debian |
| 21:08.10 | kombi | PerfDave: let him get wise the hard way..;) |
| 21:08.13 | io2 | nope |
| 21:08.20 | Cyis | eap_: so I switched to FC5 (then upgraded to FC6)... just re-installed Debian etch i386 |
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| 21:08.31 | eap_ | Cyis: "cron-apt" |
| 21:08.31 | io2 | only about bridge-eth0 and /dev/vmnet |
| 21:08.34 | io2 | no wlan |
| 21:08.35 | PerfDave | Acu: The Debian user base is big, and doing the stuff you describe in Debian is easy. |
| 21:08.45 | abrotman | io2: ifconfig -a ... might be eth0 or eth1 |
| 21:08.59 | PerfDave | Acu: I'm not entirely sure why "we need" to make the Debian user base big, or who "we" is |
| 21:09.02 | io2 | eth0 is my actual link, with a cable |
| 21:09.14 | abrotman | io2: is there an eth1 ? |
| 21:09.20 | io2 | yeah |
| 21:09.20 | Cyis | eap_: for now I'll just stick with 32-bit |
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| 21:09.27 | abrotman | io2: is it your wifi? |
| 21:09.29 | Pachuca | anyone know how I might find out which driver my usb device needs? |
| 21:09.36 | pumpkin0 | Acu: Debian is aiming for stable and secure. Not for ease of use. Leave the eyecandy hungry found-like-to-be geeks to ubunut and get on with life. |
| 21:09.41 | eap_ | Cyis: ..understandable |
| 21:09.45 | itchi | Acu: Maybe you want to look on the wiki too |
| 21:09.45 | io2 | eth0, eth1, eth2, lo, sit0 and the vmnets |
| 21:09.52 | abrotman | yay! |
| 21:09.56 | abrotman | how many network cards do you have ? |
| 21:10.00 | io2 | hm |
| 21:10.01 | Cyis | eap_: no real reason to keep it 64-bit for the time being... |
| 21:10.06 | PerfDave | pumpkin0: Debian's perfectly easy to use |
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| 21:10.08 | io2 | eth1 has a longass MAC tho o.o; |
| 21:10.10 | Cyis | as is the mobo can only handle 3GB RAM max |
| 21:10.11 | itchi | Acu: Just add some stuff, so you share it easy |
| 21:10.19 | abrotman | io2: longass! |
| 21:10.23 | io2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.32 | io2 | that's long for a MAC xD |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | io2: so what is eth2 ? |
| 21:10.53 | itchi | io2: Firewire? |
| 21:11.10 | Acu | PerfDave: inspite of a close nit of programers which run Debian - Debian belongs to the world (as the first step on the Moon) so We are ALL |
| 21:11.27 | io2 | no idea either.. one must be the phone port, the other the broadband LAN port, and the other the wifi. |
| 21:11.29 | PerfDave | Acu: OK, I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 21:11.42 | io2 | lemme load them all and find out |
| 21:11.56 | abrotman | io2: iwconfig eth(0|1|2) etc |
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| 21:12.08 | itchi | Acu: People not like to write documentation, mostly it's new people that do the job. Once you know a bit more, you probably more to somethings orthers nice to do |
| 21:12.10 | io2 | hm |
| 21:12.12 | io2 | it's eth2 |
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| 21:12.24 | io2 | yay! |
| 21:12.38 | PerfDave | itchi: I'd quite like to write documentation |
| 21:12.44 | abrotman | io2: put the module name in /etc/modules .. and make sure it stays eth2 when you restart the box |
| 21:12.45 | PerfDave | There was a Debian documentation project but it folded |
| 21:12.46 | pumpkin0 | io2: run "iwconfig". That make the difference clearer. |
| 21:12.56 | abrotman | pumpkin0: keep up! |
| 21:13.00 | itchi | PerfDave: Yeah, not everyone like that, or do it like you ;-) |
| 21:13.18 | robin_sz | PerfDave, was it a4? |
| 21:13.35 | PerfDave | robin_sz: No, it wasn't specific to any paper sie. |
| 21:13.41 | io2 | and make sure it stays eth2 when you restart the box <- now how do i do this? |
| 21:13.50 | PerfDave | io2: ifrename? |
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| 21:14.05 | abrotman | io2: no .. i'm just saying that when you restart .. might get started as eth1 .. not a big deal .. but just so you know what's going on |
| 21:14.06 | io2 | what's that? XD |
| 21:14.14 | io2 | ooh |
| 21:14.20 | io2 | hm |
| 21:14.23 | PerfDave | itchi: ISTR one of the DPL candidates saying that they were going to treat artists, documentation writers etc. equally with packagers or bugfixers, but it never happened. |
| 21:14.27 | robin_sz | PerfDave, ahh, tricky .. if it was euro (a4, a5) than I can see how it folded, but usa-ian stuff doesnt work like that |
| 21:14.39 | io2 | some nice and detailed doc for wireless for noobs on the subject would be nice xD |
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| 21:14.43 | PerfDave | The DPL is probably too busy dealing with whiny-ass bitch developers wanting to get poached by Closednonical |
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| 21:15.31 | robin_sz | PerfDave, ps, its christmas. |
| 21:15.45 | PerfDave | robin_sz: Bah, humbug :) |
| 21:15.49 | itchi | PerfDave: Not that i not write docs; look on the wiki, the dutch part is my work |
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| 21:16.38 | robin_sz | how odd? |
| 21:16.54 | robin_sz | wait ... |
| 21:17.14 | robin_sz | you are/were a london.pm 'er ... I can gues how od ;) |
| 21:17.18 | itchi | PerfDave: You know, if i have choice, i prefer to code an little tool for me as write docs |
| 21:17.22 | Acu | PerfDave: pumpkin0: we need badly video tutorials how to do stuff in Debian? OK, who is we, I thought Debian belong to the World, is an achievement of all mankind (same to the first step on the Moon) so all are We |
| 21:17.46 | robin_sz | itchi, good code is self documenting |
| 21:17.52 | PerfDave | The first step on the moon was an achievement of NASA |
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| 21:17.57 | PerfDave | robin_sz: OK, I can tell you're a Perl monger ;p |
| 21:18.03 | blondie | video tutorials? |
| 21:18.10 | itchi | Acu: us represent all Debian |
| 21:18.23 | blackelf | hi |
| 21:18.28 | itchi | Acu: Take an look on youtube, and search for debian ;-) |
| 21:18.35 | blackelf | I cant build krusader from source to debug it |
| 21:18.40 | robin_sz | PerfDave, rubbish .. I have never even met them. |
| 21:18.42 | blackelf | since it needs newer autoconf |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | !source |
| 21:18.49 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 21:18.51 | robin_sz | PerfDave, well, ok, once or twice ... |
| 21:18.53 | PerfDave | itchi: Maybe we could stick a video on Youtube about how to install Flash on your Debian system ;) |
| 21:19.05 | blackelf | how to get autoconf 2.53 or newer? |
| 21:19.11 | itchi | PerfDave: Why not finally?? |
| 21:19.14 | abrotman | blackelf: you shouldn't need it |
| 21:19.25 | itchi | PerfDave: We all need to learn :-) |
| 21:19.29 | blackelf | abrotman: CVS of krusader needs it |
| 21:19.35 | abrotman | then ask them .. not us |
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| 21:19.48 | Acu | PerfDave: OK, lets come back to the simplest question: I formated the DVD+RW how can I mount it? |
| 21:19.55 | Acu | And write on it |
| 21:19.55 | blackelf | abrotman: I ment, how to install in _debian_ the autoconf >= 2.53 |
| 21:20.11 | blackelf | how new is the autoconf in unstable or experimental? |
| 21:20.13 | Acu | I thought this will be mounted automatically |
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| 21:20.22 | abrotman | blackelf: autoconf --version .. what's the version ? |
| 21:20.34 | PerfDave | Acu: Which version of Debian are you using, how have you formatted it? |
| 21:20.37 | itchi | Acu: Have you installed dvd+rw-tools ? |
| 21:20.37 | blackelf | abrotman: 2.13 |
| 21:20.45 | abrotman | !info autoconf sarge |
| 21:20.48 | dpkg | autoconf: (automatic configure script builder), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.59a-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 371 kB, Installed size: 1472 kB |
| 21:20.54 | abrotman | then you've done something wrong |
| 21:20.59 | jatt | uhhh |
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| 21:21.22 | blackelf | abrotman: it states that this version was auto choosen by debian wrapper script. Im reading man on how to fix it |
| 21:21.22 | jatt | blackelf: the version in unstable is 2.61-3 |
| 21:21.33 | itchi | Acu: You can checkout with dpkg -l dvd+rw-tools |
| 21:21.39 | Acu | PerfDave: I used K3B - Format DVD+_RW drive - In the top box of K3B I can sy it |
| 21:21.43 | abrotman | jatt: he has what he needs in sarge |
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| 21:21.50 | PerfDave | Acu: sy? |
| 21:21.51 | Acu | itchi: yes I have installed them |
| 21:22.09 | Acu | PerfDave: what is sy? |
| 21:22.17 | PerfDave | Acu: That's what I'm asking! |
| 21:22.19 | itchi | Acu: It's been Sarge (stable) you use? |
| 21:22.34 | Acu | itchi: no I am using Etch RC1 |
| 21:22.37 | pumpkin0 | Acu you wrote: I used K3B - Format DVD+_RW drive - In the top box of K3B I can ____sy____ it |
| 21:22.43 | itchi | Acu: Is that DL? |
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| 21:22.49 | io2 | hm |
| 21:22.58 | io2 | can iwconfig handle wpa-psk? |
| 21:23.01 | itchi | Acu: Dual layer |
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| 21:23.26 | itchi | Acu: Had heard that there was a but with it |
| 21:23.35 | itchi | arg s/but/bug/ |
| 21:23.43 | Acu | itchi: no this is a simple RW DVD (with double layer is another story - I have damaged few DL media with no success - I use another drive for that) |
| 21:23.59 | PerfDave | itchi: Actually, over Christmas I'm hoping to sort out a way of automatically converting videos to Theora and putting them on the web in a YouTube-style manner |
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| 21:24.05 | bariel | hello, what is the name of the package in the red box? http://www.debianadmin.com/images/wpa/1.png |
| 21:24.07 | blackelf | why debian devels fuck with autoconf? |
| 21:24.21 | abrotman | they don't |
| 21:24.23 | blackelf | making it incompatible with some programs like krusader cvs sourc |
| 21:24.26 | itchi | PerfDave: That will be great to share some usefull stuff :-) |
| 21:24.29 | blackelf | abrotman: they do, chck man autoconf |
| 21:24.33 | blackelf | * check |
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| 21:24.39 | abrotman | i'm not on sarge .. mine is different |
| 21:24.46 | Acu | Now I try simple to rewrite on a DVD RW - it is formated but I do not know how to mount it though in K3b top window I can see the media and tells me is formated etc |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | mine is fine |
| 21:24.59 | blackelf | there should be a variable _DEB_STOP_FUCKING_WITH_AUTOCONF_FORCE_250_version |
| 21:25.02 | PerfDave | itchi: Yeah, better than using Flash video |
| 21:25.16 | abrotman | there should really be a _BLACKELF_STOP_WHINING |
| 21:25.19 | itchi | Acu: Just mount /dev/foo /mnt/foo |
| 21:25.24 | abrotman | if you don't like it .. don't use debian |
| 21:25.28 | blackelf | abrotman: ok. how to fix it. |
| 21:25.30 | abrotman | there's nothing wrong with autoconf |
| 21:25.38 | Acu | PerfDave: sory for mistype - sy = see it |
| 21:25.56 | blackelf | abrotman: the "autoconf" starts by default the old autoconf, not 2.5 |
| 21:26.01 | itchi | Acu: Tell when it's not clear to you |
| 21:26.13 | abrotman | blackelf: how many do you have installed ? |
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| 21:26.29 | blackelf | abrotman: shitload. hmm perhaps I should remove the older one |
| 21:26.30 | jelly-home | blackelf: why not use the appropriate version? |
| 21:26.44 | abrotman | blackelf: do you have any idea how debian works ? |
| 21:26.52 | blackelf | jelly-home: the make script calls "autoconf" which defaults to old version |
| 21:26.54 | abrotman | jelly-home: because he's trying to build krap from cvs |
| 21:27.09 | abrotman | blackelf: dpkg -l autoconf* .. how many do you get ? |
| 21:27.17 | blackelf | abrotman: no. I can't find the Start button nor the Program Files dir, help |
| 21:27.30 | Acu | itchi: it tells me to specify a file system type - is any GUI for mounting media? --- I use now KDE and I thought it will be automatically mounted |
| 21:27.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: don't you mean kvs |
| 21:27.43 | abrotman | if you're gonna be smart . i'll let you fix it on your own |
| 21:27.45 | blackelf | abrotman: two are installed, 2.13 and 2.61 |
| 21:27.48 | pumpkin0 | Acu: if you install the automounter ... |
| 21:27.57 | abrotman | blackelf: which version of debian are you running ? |
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| 21:28.04 | blackelf | abrotman: testing |
| 21:28.08 | itchi | Acu: Im not sure if its been an 9660 specsification |
| 21:28.12 | abrotman | okay .. then you do whatever you want |
| 21:28.15 | PerfDave | Acu: Right-click on the desktop, and click "Configure Desktop", then choose "Behaviour", "Device Icons" and tick "Show device icons" |
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| 21:28.49 | itchi | Acu: UDF should be more apropriated |
| 21:28.54 | mike1980 | Hi guys I have the mini.iso is there anyway I can install with mini.iso from harddrive with put burning the ISO? |
| 21:29.08 | itchi | Acu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660 |
| 21:29.12 | PerfDave | mike1980: Have you tried reading the Installation Manual? |
| 21:29.24 | blackelf | abrotman: uninstalling of the older autoconf fixed it |
| 21:29.25 | itchi | Acu: More for that 2 GB file size limit |
| 21:29.35 | Acu | itchi: for Double Layer - I tried all specifications possible - it is a complete failure - for rewritable it seem is formated |
| 21:29.36 | abrotman | i'm sure it did |
| 21:29.40 | mike1980 | Nope not yest |
| 21:29.45 | eduhat | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions in that website i dont understand #3. do i have to do that for every program? or just for mutt? |
| 21:29.52 | itchi | Acu: Wait with that DL please ;-) |
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| 21:30.27 | mike1980 | PerfDave: can I mount the ISO and install form a console |
| 21:30.34 | abrotman | !ig |
| 21:30.34 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 21:30.35 | PerfDave | mike1980: If you want to install Debian, reading the installation Manual is probably a good place to start. |
| 21:30.40 | itchi | Acu: With DL there are some troubles i had heard, i dunno if it's already solved or whatever (I need to do some researches too and test) |
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| 21:31.11 | mike1980 | ok thanks I guess I have some reading to do then |
| 21:31.13 | Guerin | eduhat: for every program you want to backport |
| 21:31.21 | robin_sz | so, I have installed updates inc;uding a new kernel .. before I reboot, is there soem way of building the modules I built with modules-assistant for the new kernel, and the ndiswrappered modules? |
| 21:31.25 | itchi | Acu: DL with k3b (to be clear) |
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| 21:31.39 | PerfDave | robin_sz: There's an argument to m-a to tell it to use a different kernel. |
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| 21:32.05 | robin_sz | oh, k |
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| 21:32.49 | eduhat | Guerin: allright. well i am following the sarge 2.6.18 manuel. it tells me to look at that website first. so i did and now im confused on #3. do i need to only backport mutt for the sarge 2.6.18 instilation? |
| 21:33.35 | Guerin | eduhat: you don't *need* to backport anything for that install. You might *want* to but it isn't necessary (or advised, if you don't understand it) |
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| 21:34.33 | eduhat | Guerin: okay, thankyou |
| 21:34.41 | Acu | itchi: OK, so that is why DL failed (though it wrote and told me it was a success - maybe 3 times) - but then you cannot read it with anything - I tried with Brasero writer but I got same useless outcome |
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| 21:35.22 | BinarySpike | How do I refresh my network connection? |
| 21:35.34 | pumpkin0 | BinarySpike: refresh ? |
| 21:35.39 | Guerin | BinarySpike: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:35.41 | itchi | Acu: The best way to find out is to look to the bug reporting system, with reportbug foo it's easy :-) |
| 21:35.48 | BinarySpike | I have been messing with my network (D-Link router) a lot and after I mess with it my internet doesnt' work anymore |
| 21:35.55 | itchi | Acu: Aka bts |
| 21:36.02 | Guerin | solution: if it works, don't fuck with it |
| 21:36.04 | blackelf | BinarySpike: ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 are other way |
| 21:36.51 | BinarySpike | Guerin, it doesn't work |
| 21:37.00 | Guerin | BinarySpike: give it a payrise |
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| 21:37.34 | pumpkin0 | BinarySpike: do you need to refresh the DHCP-lease ? |
| 21:37.37 | itchi | Acu: Look to /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:37.44 | blackelf | so much programs should be threaded imho |
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| 21:38.02 | digitalice | hey |
| 21:38.04 | digitalice | hello |
| 21:38.07 | blackelf | meany long tasks, like statrt up KDE or GNOME can't use dual core properly, therefore running 50% slower as it could |
| 21:38.08 | BinarySpike | blackelf, ifdown and ifup commands not found |
| 21:38.16 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: to make them more error-prone ? |
| 21:38.17 | BinarySpike | pumpkin: yes probably |
| 21:38.22 | digitalice | enter WWW.MVDSHUFFLE.COM ... HOSTES BY DEBIAN :D |
| 21:38.26 | murosai | how can i change my default gcc compiler? |
| 21:38.27 | blackelf | pumpkin0: to make them twice as fast |
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| 21:38.45 | Guerin | murosai: ls -l $(which gcc); change the symlink as you like |
| 21:38.46 | blackelf | lets kline digiralice ass |
| 21:38.49 | DUAL_MAN | where can i download 2.6.8 kernel source |
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| 21:39.02 | BinarySpike | /etc/init.d/networking restart, worked fine thanks :) |
| 21:39.08 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: apt-get source foo |
| 21:39.09 | Guerin | DUAL_MAN: you don't need source |
| 21:39.23 | Guerin | DUAL_MAN: aptitude search kernel-source |
| 21:39.29 | blackelf | Guerin: speaking of, is there a debian way to preserve such symlinks, and preserves chmod / chown of files across install/upgrade? simmilar as the config files |
| 21:39.31 | DUAL_MAN | i need to compile asterisk |
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| 21:39.39 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: do you know how hard it is to wirte multitheared stuff ? |
| 21:39.45 | pumpkin0 | DUAL_MAN: why ? |
| 21:39.46 | Guerin | blackelf: wtf? |
| 21:39.49 | Laser | guys, which command was to find out which process uses a socket/port on the system |
| 21:39.56 | murosai | Guerin: can you be more specific :) |
| 21:39.59 | Guerin | Laser: fuser or lsof |
| 21:40.01 | pumpkin0 | Laser: "netstat" |
| 21:40.21 | DUAL_MAN | pumpkin: y what? |
| 21:40.21 | blackelf | Guerin: if I do chown developers /usr/g++-4.1 and chmod 500 then thoes changes will be lost when I upgrade g++-4.0 |
| 21:40.28 | Guerin | murosai: no, it's quite clear. gcc is a symbolic link. To change it to something else, man coreutils ln |
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| 21:40.40 | Guerin | blackelf: wht the fuck would you do that? |
| 21:40.43 | DUAL_MAN | i mena zaptel, for asterisk |
| 21:40.46 | kombi | in regex, how do you exclude (like that !^[0-9]{2,4}$ ?) |
| 21:40.47 | pumpkin0 | DUAL_MAN: why do you want to recompile ? |
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| 21:40.50 | Guerin | bah, info coreutils ln |
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| 21:41.09 | murosai | Guerin: no man page for coreutils, where is the symbolic link located? |
| 21:41.11 | Guerin | pumpkin0: for asterisk, as he said |
| 21:41.19 | kombi | pumpkin0: perhaps DUAL_MAN has DUAL_CORE..;) |
| 21:41.24 | Guerin | murosai: sorry, I corrected myself to info coreutils ln |
| 21:41.45 | Guerin | murosai: if you do ls -l $(which gcc) you'll see what you need to know |
| 21:41.46 | murosai | ah didn't notice sorry |
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| 21:42.00 | itchi | kombi: SMP is build-in now |
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| 21:42.24 | Guerin | kombi: #bash |
| 21:42.28 | kombi | itchi: ok.. 'bout time, wasn't it..;) |
| 21:42.36 | blackelf_ | Guerin: how about beeing polite? to allow only certain users to run programs |
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| 21:42.47 | DUAL_MAN | pumpkin, i'm not recompiling anything, in need the source to make zaptel |
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| 21:42.55 | kombi | Guerin: bash as far as I know does not understand regex.. |
| 21:43.02 | Guerin | blackelf_: but why would you? What would that achieve? And please don't tell me it's for security. |
| 21:43.06 | pumpkin0 | DUAL_MAN: you need the headers to make zaptel, not the source. |
| 21:43.24 | Guerin | kombi: no, but #bash knows much more about general unix tools and such. |
| 21:43.31 | eduhat | right now my computer's resolution only looks like it goes up to 800*600... but i know it could do more. how can i get it to do 1027*768? |
| 21:43.40 | DUAL_MAN | pumpkin: how can i get them |
| 21:43.43 | kombi | Guerin: ok thanks, worth a try! |
| 21:43.58 | itchi | eduhat: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86|xorg |
| 21:43.59 | blackelf_ | Guerin: yes, it is for security. Do you reccomend other way for doing that? |
| 21:44.01 | Guerin | eduhat: hwinfo --monitor |
| 21:44.05 | Acu | OK, so for dual layer DVD write is better to use windows for now |
| 21:44.06 | abrotman | uninstall the compiler |
| 21:44.15 | blackelf_ | abrotman: but other users msut use it |
| 21:44.17 | pumpkin0 | DUAL_MAN: stable ? |
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| 21:44.38 | Guerin | blackelf_: i recommend not bothering, since it achieves no meaningful security benefit other than frustrating your users. If you were dead-set on doing it, I'd suggest using ACLs or selinux or such |
| 21:44.40 | blackelf_ | pumpkin0: sometimes writting threads is trivial. depends |
| 21:44.42 | DUAL_MAN | i need the same kernel i currently have, so 2.6.8 |
| 21:44.52 | abrotman | blackelf_: if they wnat a compiler .. they'll find one |
| 21:44.54 | PerfDave | blackelf_: Have you tried reading the Securing Debian manual? |
| 21:45.02 | itchi | Acu: It can be done with another app as k3b, you should avoid k3b for DL at this time (but have not yet look on the bts about it) |
| 21:45.06 | pumpkin0 | DUAL_MAN: apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
| 21:45.14 | DUAL_MAN | zaptel returns error: u do not appear to have the kernel source installed |
| 21:45.21 | Guerin | blackelf_: the point being that anyone can download a binary compiler and untar it into their homedir |
| 21:45.33 | blackelf_ | Guerin: there is noexec |
| 21:45.34 | itchi | Acu: Maybe on the bts are some informations now? ba, im' to lazy, gona look ;-) |
| 21:45.45 | Guerin | blackelf_: your plan would only stop thye least creative users, who aren't a measurable security threat anyhow |
| 21:45.54 | blackelf_ | ok wait, the g++ was a bad example |
| 21:46.00 | Guerin | not really |
| 21:46.05 | blackelf_ | say some other program |
| 21:46.06 | Guerin | because it's true of any program |
| 21:46.16 | blackelf_ | Guerin: no, the /home is noexec |
| 21:46.23 | abrotman | and /tmp ? |
| 21:46.25 | Guerin | ACLs and/or selinux can stop such things |
| 21:46.28 | blackelf_ | abrotman: as well |
| 21:46.30 | robin_sz | ok, so I built and installed the modules for the new kernel .. now, ndiswrapper, what do I need to do after I reboot ?? anything, or will it just find the ndiswarpper I built and installed and somehow find whatever it needs to find to make my wifi card work again? |
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| 21:46.45 | blackelf_ | Guerin: grsecurity's TPE dissallow all users but developers to run their own binaries |
| 21:46.56 | abrotman | blackelf_: and /var/tmp/ ? |
| 21:47.15 | Guerin | but noexec doesn't mean it's *impossible* to execute things on it - you can call an interpreter elsewhere |
| 21:47.16 | blackelf_ | abrotman: TPE would stop from runnig it, I think, let me check |
| 21:47.23 | This | hello. Where would one recomend looking for help on figuring out how to correctly install/configure a ati video card for 3d support in x11? |
| 21:47.26 | abrotman | then why do you care at all ? |
| 21:47.29 | blackelf_ | Guerin: you are right, thats where there is also TPE |
| 21:47.36 | abrotman | This: which version of the card ? |
| 21:47.38 | Guerin | the popint is that grsec and such are *designed* to do this, whereas chmod isn't |
| 21:47.46 | blackelf_ | abrotman: because in addition I dont want them to run other, system-wide installed programs |
| 21:47.47 | Guerin | that don't mean that it's a good idea |
| 21:47.54 | Guerin | blackelf_: then you're an idiot. |
| 21:47.59 | abrotman | blackelf_: then why give them a shell ? |
| 21:48.05 | Guerin | who likes making work for himself and frustrating his users |
| 21:48.08 | PerfDave | Is it worth filing a bug against packages which try to exec scripts in /tmp during their preinst scripts? |
| 21:48.08 | blackelf_ | Guerin: must you fall back to name calling. |
| 21:48.10 | Guerin | and a control freak to boot |
| 21:48.21 | This | ab: i forget the model at this moemnt, its a older card i know (grabbed it from the spare pile) |
| 21:48.31 | abrotman | This: lspci | grep VGA |
| 21:48.37 | This | i mean abrotman |
| 21:48.39 | Guerin | blackelf_: i've outlined my reasoning. If you can demonstrate how it would be a credible security threat, I might concede it has value. |
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| 21:49.03 | blackelf_ | Guerin: ok I will see too it. but stop the name calling ,wtf. |
| 21:49.08 | pumpkin0 | This: which debian ? sarge or etch ? |
| 21:49.08 | Guerin | but as you outline it, it's more work for you, more frustration for your users, and no real benefit: lose-lose. |
| 21:49.18 | abrotman | name calling is bad .. but 'wtf' is okay ? |
| 21:49.35 | blackelf_ | wtf is not refering to a person |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | who cares |
| 21:49.49 | This | pumpkin sarge, and i was wrong, i put a nVida Vanta in (the ATI is sitting next to me, thought i had it the other way) |
| 21:50.00 | abrotman | This: are you running debian on the box right now ? |
| 21:50.08 | Guerin | spade == spade |
| 21:50.12 | This | abrotman, I am |
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| 21:50.23 | abrotman | This: lspci | grep VGA .. doesn't show it ? |
| 21:50.25 | pumpkin0 | This: use the "nv"-driver. |
| 21:50.29 | This | Do I assume full and correct 3d support is present then? |
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| 21:50.30 | blackelf_ | abrotman: I checked, the non-devel users are indeed being stopped from running cutom binaries from in example /var/tmp |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | pumpkin0: for ati cards ? |
| 21:50.52 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: for the nvidia he used ? |
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| 21:50.54 | abrotman | This: i need to see the card model |
| 21:51.06 | abrotman | pumpkin0: <This> hello. Where would one recomend looking for help on figuring out how to correctly install/configure a ati video card for 3d support in x11? |
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| 21:51.17 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: This > pumpkin sarge, and i was wrong, i put a nVida Vanta in (the ATI is sitting next to me, thought i had it the other way) |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:51.33 | This | nvia corp vanta/vanta lt model 15 |
| 21:51.35 | pumpkin0 | let's go vesa, OK ? |
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| 21:51.38 | SmallR2002 | can someone tell me if there's anything in http://rafb.net/p/EquUF217.html which might cause my bluetooth adaptor not to show up externally? |
| 21:51.39 | This | er REV 15 |
| 21:51.57 | abrotman | nv or vesa should work |
| 21:52.19 | pumpkin0 | vesa is the safer bet, maybe it is a matrox after all ... |
| 21:52.28 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 21:52.28 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 21:52.35 | itchi | Acu: Look to this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=336676 |
| 21:53.18 | abrotman | the world was so much easier before 3d :) |
| 21:53.29 | abrotman | i was a stick figure .. it was nice |
| 21:53.50 | SmallR2002 | yeah |
| 21:53.55 | SmallR2002 | waste was easy |
| 21:54.03 | SmallR2002 | you just pushed it into another layer |
| 21:54.30 | This | ok the driver im using is listed as agpgart nvidia_agp would that be the nv driver you speak of abrotman? |
| 21:54.43 | itchi | Acu: I thought there was an DVDRW related to, not sure if this is the same bug |
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| 21:54.46 | pumpkin0 | This: yep, that's it. |
| 21:54.57 | This | abrotman ive also got 3 listed as vesafb |
| 21:55.03 | abrotman | This: i believe it uses nv |
| 21:55.05 | itchi | Acu: Wait, gona toast one as test |
| 21:55.25 | abrotman | seems to be based on the TNT stuff |
| 21:55.35 | itchi | Acu: (but need to wait that the FOSDEM DVD are burned first) |
| 21:55.43 | This | well i need some app to test the 3d then, cause the one thing i tried went VERY slow, and this card while not great, does better then 1FPS |
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| 21:56.09 | itchi | Acu: That other bug i not find back, nor in the done list |
| 21:56.12 | abrotman | does the TNT actually have hardware 3d ? |
| 21:56.19 | pumpkin0 | This: put your xorg config and log + the output of glxinfo into a pastebin |
| 21:56.27 | Acu | itchi: thanks, I am trying to burn DVD DL since one week - I have 40GB to burn - |
| 21:56.42 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: yes, it had a bit 3D. OpenGL 1.0 and directX 5. |
| 21:56.52 | dorin | hi folks....i am running debian and apache...howto enable mod_php? |
| 21:56.57 | itchi | Acu: I think you have hit the 2 crappest bugs of k3b :-/ |
| 21:57.04 | blackelf_ | dorin: perhaps install php4 |
| 21:57.06 | This | abrotman, it should have, its a geforce256 chip iirc |
| 21:57.30 | This | er, the tnt was the one before the GF line |
| 21:57.44 | Acu | itchi: I tried with Brasero - and DL still failed |
| 21:57.59 | blackelf_ | abrotman: I checked it especially for you :) |
| 21:58.01 | dorin | [1][6][beli@pv254] aptitude search php |grep "^i" |
| 21:58.01 | dorin | i libapache-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting langu |
| 21:58.01 | dorin | i php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting langu |
| 21:58.14 | dorin | blackelf_: it's installed... |
| 21:58.21 | pumpkin0 | dorin: and enable php in the apache-config. |
| 21:58.39 | abrotman | blackelf_: checked what ? |
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| 21:58.54 | abrotman | This: it's a TNT |
| 21:58.56 | dorin | pumpkin0: i looked into the module path where anything else is installed....but no mod_php there |
| 21:58.57 | blackelf_ | abrotman: not developers can't run cutom binaries even from /var/tmp |
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| 21:59.48 | mike1980 | !paste |
| 21:59.48 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 21:59.48 | itchi | Acu: Yeah, i not find these DL here haha, i no more remember where i have hidden these |
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| 22:00.00 | abrotman | blackelf_: okay .. i saw you say that before |
| 22:00.08 | abrotman | This: http://www.nvidia.com/page/vanta.html |
| 22:00.27 | pumpkin0 | dorin: i'm thinking about the lines "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" & co |
| 22:00.39 | itchi | Acu: Hold on, need to search a bit |
| 22:01.01 | Acu | itchi: thanks anyhow - I am going to connect from Windows to Debian and burn the DVD through network (hopefully I will be able to do that) |
| 22:01.06 | dorin | pumpkin0: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php3 .php4 |
| 22:01.13 | mike1980 | can anyone see anything wrong with this http://channels.debian.net/paste/4890 |
| 22:01.31 | pumpkin0 | dorin: restarted the server afterwards ? |
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| 22:01.40 | dorin | pumpkin0: for sure |
| 22:01.47 | abrotman | dorin: what makes you think it doesn't work ? |
| 22:02.15 | dorin | abrotman: if i go to a php site on my space...it just asks for downloading it, instead of executing the php source |
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| 22:02.27 | abrotman | dorin: clear browser cache, restart browser .. try again |
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| 22:02.53 | pumpkin0 | dorin: and the module is loaded ? "LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp5.so" ? |
| 22:03.00 | pumpkin0 | dorin: for php 5 that is ... |
| 22:03.02 | abrotman | pumpkin0: he installed php4 |
| 22:03.12 | mike1980 | I can't see to boot a new install |
| 22:03.16 | This | abrotman, yes i was correcting my self, hmm, wonder what gpu is in this elsa razor |
| 22:03.19 | dorin | pumpkin0: that's what i told....there's no libphp5.so into that directory |
| 22:03.43 | abrotman | dorin: did you do the browser thing ? |
| 22:03.44 | pumpkin0 | dorin: you have php 4 so you want libphp4* |
| 22:04.06 | Acu | dorin: I have the same trouble - first I think apache 2.2.3 prefork will work with php4 - second, if I had both php5 and php4 the php files were not processed by the server - so I uninstalled purged the php5 and 4 and and reinstalled only 4 (with all php-common and all others and it worked without needing any manual changes - this were added automatically |
| 22:04.27 | Acu | dorin: but listen to this gurus - because I am still learning myself |
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| 22:05.07 | pumpkin0 | mike1980: are you sure you want to boot into a ramdisk ? |
| 22:05.53 | mike1980 | pumpkin0: I am trying to do a install form hard drive |
| 22:06.08 | dorin | nono....the shared lib is there now |
| 22:06.21 | dorin | and i added it via LoadModule in modules.conf |
| 22:06.23 | dorin | let's check |
| 22:06.23 | mike1980 | I used the install manual for the information |
| 22:06.53 | pumpkin0 | mike1980: in that case: correct lines. I thought you tried to boot a normal system ... |
| 22:07.10 | dorin | seems to work now |
| 22:07.29 | dorin | i just reinstalled php4 |
| 22:07.45 | mike1980 | pumpkin0: nope just tryin to install |
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| 22:08.28 | mike1980 | pumpkin0: is says failed to mount when I try to run the new install |
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| 22:09.24 | itchi | Acu: Sorry, i not find these DL back :-( i have place there somewhere, where?? |
| 22:09.51 | mike1980 | if someone could tell me where the error log would be I could tell you the actual error |
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| 22:10.04 | cusco | how do I configure exim to not send "localhost" ont he helo reply, but the fqdn |
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| 22:10.21 | Guerin | cusco: #exim |
| 22:10.36 | PerfDave | cusco: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:10.50 | cusco | PerfDave: I did that already |
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| 22:11.25 | cusco | everything working fine, but on the helo reply, my mailserver says he is localhost |
| 22:11.25 | itchi | Acu: I need to burn a big thing, can you send one by email, gona give it back when i find these again ;-) |
| 22:11.34 | cusco | now my ip is blacklisted in some stupid list :/ |
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| 22:12.00 | LnxSlck | anyone tryed vmware here? |
| 22:12.06 | Acu | itchi: that's fine - at least I know there is a bug - I am trying to connect to Debian Samba Share from Windows, It challenges me with useraname and password and none works - I tried root or other users and none lets me see pass the password window - do I need to add special users for samba share ? |
| 22:12.14 | cusco | LnxSlck: me |
| 22:12.27 | cusco | its not worth it |
| 22:12.38 | itchi | Acu: Wait, gona paste an old working simple samba config |
| 22:12.49 | LnxSlck | cusco: you're portuguese right? |
| 22:12.58 | cusco | Acu: security = share |
| 22:13.01 | cusco | in smb.conf |
| 22:13.06 | cusco | LnxSlck: ya |
| 22:13.34 | cusco | fdx so faltavas tu aqui |
| 22:13.44 | LnxSlck | cusco: eu ? |
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| 22:14.54 | itchi | Acu: http://pastebin.ca/290322 |
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| 22:15.59 | iammisc | hi i want to install debian using the zd1201 linux driver |
| 22:16.04 | iammisc | but it is not in the modules list |
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| 22:16.10 | iammisc | how do i get this driver |
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| 22:16.24 | itchi | Acu: Next week i gona take some new DL if i not find these back, also need to burn a big thing |
| 22:16.26 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 22:16.27 | dpkg | i heard custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 22:17.10 | iammisc | abrotman was that to me? |
| 22:17.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:17.29 | abrotman | !find zd1201 etch |
| 22:17.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zd1201' (3 of 18): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1201.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1201.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7/include/config/usb/zd1201.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7. |
| 22:17.48 | abrotman | !find zd1201 sarge |
| 22:17.52 | abrotman | iammisc: it's in the etch installer |
| 22:18.10 | iammisc | abrotman is that the latest stable installer cuz that is what i downloaded |
| 22:18.11 | itchi | maybe the sarge .18 |
| 22:18.29 | abrotman | !tell iammisc about sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 22:19.45 | iammisc | abrotman what is the latest stable release? |
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| 22:20.06 | hobophobe | I'm experiencing that when I log out and back in DRI doesn't load (it loads on the initial loading of X, though), anyone know a fix? |
| 22:20.43 | abrotman | iammisc: sarge |
| 22:21.06 | iammisc | ok |
| 22:22.09 | iammisc | how do i get etch? |
| 22:22.27 | Acu | itchi: thanks - I will try now |
| 22:22.33 | abrotman | !d-i iammisc |
| 22:22.33 | dpkg | iammisc, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:23.39 | itchi | Acu: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 22:25.06 | iammisc | thanks |
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| 22:27.54 | abrotman | secher_: ping! |
| 22:28.31 | teledyn__ | wow check out this URL that was in a spam i got: 0xdd.0x6.0xf.0x8a |
| 22:28.52 | abrotman | when you joined ? |
| 22:29.21 | Mark_Iron | good evening abrotman ;-) |
| 22:29.23 | abrotman | hi |
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| 22:30.08 | xuu | Never got spam :-) |
| 22:30.38 | teledyn__ | i'm not sure if its a phishing or an attack. the url is to a .dll page supposedly at ebay |
| 22:30.58 | itchi | teledyn__: From where got you that spam exactly? |
| 22:31.18 | teledyn__ | itchi: it was posing as contact from memeber mail from ebay |
| 22:31.22 | abrotman | teledyn__: irc spam or email spam ? |
| 22:31.28 | teledyn__ | email |
| 22:31.38 | itchi | teledyn__: Yeah, nothings to do here hahah |
| 22:31.54 | teledyn__ | but look at the url - it looks like hex or something. i've never seen a url like that before. |
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| 22:32.54 | Mark_Iron | re |
| 22:32.57 | abrotman | wtf did secher_ go ? |
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| 22:34.27 | robin_sz | behind the sofa? |
| 22:34.36 | teledyn__ | and it actually does resolve in a browser |
| 22:35.40 | robin_sz | teledyn__, so what? |
| 22:35.55 | robin_sz | never seen hex before? |
| 22:36.29 | abrotman | is this Dr Phil night ? |
| 22:36.39 | itchi | hehe |
| 22:36.56 | teledyn__ | your problem will resolve in a browser though ;-) |
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| 22:37.45 | elshaa | hi |
| 22:38.18 | Ankman | poor mc |
| 22:38.41 | Ankman | well i cannot remember when i last time had sex |
| 22:39.07 | rahul | must have been good fun, then |
| 22:39.28 | rahul | a girl and a bottle of vodka, good times |
| 22:39.50 | mc__ | i cant believe that sex is that great. |
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| 22:40.01 | abrotman | do either of you have a debian question ? |
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| 22:40.45 | LnxSlck | mc_ : believe it! |
| 22:41.12 | LnxSlck | rahul: 2 girls makes it even better |
| 22:41.24 | rahul | eh, sometimes |
| 22:41.33 | LnxSlck | all the time :D |
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| 22:42.22 | Mark_Iron | hmm .. is it a debian or a sex channel? *g* |
| 22:42.31 | digime2 | i have been looking for a debian based VPS for two weeks and have NOT found one that is solid and based in the US. They all use CentOS. Can ANYONE recommend an affordable provider with solid support? |
| 22:42.35 | LnxSlck | Mark_Iron: debian of course |
| 22:42.39 | Mark_Iron | hmm ... I prefer debian ;o) |
| 22:42.41 | rahul | Mark_Iron: there's a difference? :P |
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| 22:42.55 | Mark_Iron | I hope so rahul ;o) |
| 22:42.56 | mc__ | digime2: a good german provider is www.netclusive.de |
| 22:43.00 | rahul | heh |
| 22:43.15 | mc__ | there should be a sex channel on freenode,lol |
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| 22:43.33 | LnxSlck | mc_: i bet there is |
| 22:43.34 | rahul | FOSS sex |
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| 22:43.39 | mc__ | thatn we wouldn't have to spam this channel |
| 22:43.43 | abrotman | so stop already |
| 22:43.45 | mc__ | LnxSlck: try #sex |
| 22:44.09 | itchi | Move to /msg dpkg lesbian |
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| 22:44.38 | Mark_Iron | dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null|gzip -9>Packages.gz |
| 22:44.49 | DavidProck1981 | what is the download link for sid |
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| 22:45.11 | DavidProck1981 | like a net install iso image |
| 22:45.16 | rahul | DavidProck1981: if you don't know how to use debian, why are you trying to use sid? |
| 22:45.41 | DavidProck1981 | because of the version of xorg that it has |
| 22:46.03 | DavidProck1981 | I and I have gotten used to debian |
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| 22:46.33 | rahul | if you know how to use debian, you know how to configure apt |
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| 22:47.30 | DavidProck1981 | so it will uninstall the current xorg and install the earlyer one |
| 22:47.38 | DavidProck1981 | if I do it that way |
| 22:47.52 | rahul | wha? |
| 22:48.02 | DavidProck1981 | one sec |
| 22:49.21 | DavidProck1981 | so for Example change "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib" TO "deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib" |
| 22:49.58 | rahul | and how would that get you older packages? |
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| 22:50.27 | nkuttler | DavidProck1981: well... yes |
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| 22:50.45 | rahul | DavidProck1981: you better learn about package priorities instead |
| 22:50.59 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Do not take sid for you! |
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| 22:51.16 | DavidProck1981 | testing / etch comes with xorg 7.1.1 and unstable / sid comes with xorg 7.0 |
| 22:51.27 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: uh, no. |
| 22:51.42 | rahul | 1:7.1.0-8(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 22:51.45 | rahul | 1:7.1.0-7(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
| 22:51.50 | rahul | not according to reality |
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| 22:52.03 | nkuttler | DavidProck1981: that's kind of impossible in debian |
| 22:52.05 | DavidProck1981 | then what? |
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| 22:52.24 | DavidProck1981 | well I read the package list |
| 22:52.27 | abrotman | !info xorg sid |
| 22:52.28 | rahul | DavidProck1981: NEITHER of those versions are in debian |
| 22:52.31 | abrotman | then your package list is out of date |
| 22:52.34 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-9 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 22:52.42 | DavidProck1981 | then they need to update their website |
| 22:52.43 | rahul | doh, I'm out of date, too :P |
| 22:52.48 | abrotman | who does? |
| 22:52.49 | rahul | DavidProck1981: who is "they"? |
| 22:52.50 | abrotman | which website ? |
| 22:53.01 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=xorg |
| 22:53.02 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 22:53.05 | DavidProck1981 | debian.org |
| 22:53.06 | murosai | anyone here have experience with distcc? |
| 22:53.13 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: URL please ? |
| 22:53.16 | dondelelcaro | murosai: best to just ask your question |
| 22:53.44 | murosai | do i have to run the distcc in the client also or just the hosts? |
| 22:53.58 | DavidProck1981 | let me find it again |
| 22:54.01 | resistance | when i try to run the asterisk 1.4 configuration script it tells me termcap support not found |
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| 22:54.44 | dondelelcaro | murosai: it has to be on all ends |
| 22:54.57 | tuv | why don't xprint's printers show in firefox anymore? |
| 22:57.10 | DavidProck1981 | what the fuck not they change that shit, the other day I read that etch when it is released it will have xorg 7.0 not it don't say that |
| 22:57.32 | elshaa | I can't remember the name of the tool to configure the services to start or not at boot time? |
| 22:57.51 | rahul | update-rc.d |
| 22:57.51 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: excuse me? If you want us to even listen to what you're saying you need to tell us precisely what page has it listed wrong so it can be fixed. |
| 22:58.03 | tuv | elshaa, update-rc.d, or bum(gui) |
| 22:58.03 | abrotman | that's what he's saying .. they changed it on him |
| 22:58.07 | Acu | OK, still stupid but necessary: In Debian I share a folder with samba - I went to PC windows and try to connect to the shared folder in debian //IPnumber/share ---- it chalenges me with user and password and nothing works - nor root or other users - what do I need to do ? |
| 22:58.07 | abrotman | rcconf |
| 22:58.42 | rahul | Acu: you have to tell samba what kind of authentication you want |
| 22:58.58 | elshaa | tuv: thanks |
| 22:58.59 | murosai | dondelelcaro: are you completely sure the client also has to run the distcc daemon? i mean how can you then tell what actually is the client :P |
| 22:59.09 | Acu | rahul: where is that done - is any GUI for this ? |
| 22:59.14 | DavidProck1981 | has any one read that when etch is released that it will have xorg 7.0 ?, any body, at any given time |
| 22:59.20 | rahul | Acu: I would never use a gui for configuring this |
| 22:59.23 | elshaa | abrotman: yep, that's it ! thx |
| 22:59.26 | rahul | Acu: it's in the smb.conf |
| 22:59.37 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: sure .. about a year ago |
| 22:59.50 | Acu | rahul: OK, what exactly I need to change |
| 22:59.59 | rahul | Acu: the file is full of comments |
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| 23:00.03 | rahul | look at it |
| 23:00.06 | DavidProck1981 | is that still true or did they shange it |
| 23:00.19 | DavidProck1981 | change* |
| 23:00.24 | abrotman | what do you think? |
| 23:00.34 | DavidProck1981 | don't know |
| 23:00.43 | DavidProck1981 | is it true, still |
| 23:00.47 | rahul | what version does etch have in it already? |
| 23:00.54 | DavidProck1981 | 7.1.1 |
| 23:00.59 | rahul | no |
| 23:01.14 | DavidProck1981 | then what does it have |
| 23:01.18 | rahul | LOOK |
| 23:01.21 | abrotman | $ X -version |
| 23:01.21 | abrotman | X Window System Version 7. |
| 23:01.24 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:01.24 | itchi | Acu: Maybe, for your usage actually, you just want to allow the guest?? |
| 23:01.28 | abrotman | sion 7.1.1 |
| 23:01.29 | rahul | you claim to have it installed already |
| 23:01.53 | rahul | abrotman: interesting. that's not what the package version says... |
| 23:02.01 | abrotman | rahul: i'm aware of that ;) |
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| 23:02.04 | blackelf_ | I debuged an krusader error's ass |
| 23:02.05 | rahul | heh |
| 23:02.17 | Acu | itchi: where the heck is that I have smb.conf in front of me |
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| 23:02.20 | DavidProck1981 | my video drivers will not install cause it say I have 7.1.1 and it wants 7.0 or less |
| 23:02.36 | abrotman | which drivers? |
| 23:02.38 | itchi | Acu: Look been in the smb.conf, there are some examples |
| 23:02.57 | DavidProck1981 | im not going in to that now, cause we been there before |
| 23:03.03 | abrotman | which drivers? |
| 23:03.08 | itchi | Acu: I let you search a bit ;-) |
| 23:03.30 | dondelelcaro | murosai: you'll note that I said both ends, and the configuration is what determines that. |
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| 23:03.51 | DavidProck1981 | ati-driver-installer-8.26.18-x86.run THAT IS THE ONE FOR MY CARD |
| 23:04.10 | DavidProck1981 | don't tell me about fglrx |
| 23:04.20 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: okay .. then ask #ati |
| 23:04.26 | SmallR2002 | does anyone have any idea why my bluetooth adaptor fails at life? |
| 23:04.32 | Acu | itchi: I can see the windows share - I am actually transfering some files from Debian to Windows - but I wanted to map a drive on Windows and burn a DVD DL from windows |
| 23:05.01 | DavidProck1981 | so you want me to ask ati why debian etch has 7.1. |
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| 23:05.18 | DavidProck1981 | and that you say it don't |
| 23:05.23 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: they've got newer drivers? |
| 23:05.27 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: no, we want you to ask what driver that ATI distributes actually works with 7.1 |
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| 23:05.37 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: i want you to ask #ati for help with your drivers .. you don't want to do it the Debian Way .. then ask #ati |
| 23:05.47 | itchi | Acu: Look in the explorer in tools, network driver, or use net view or whatever, it's long time ago now :-) |
| 23:05.50 | rahul | ati-driver-installer says it's fglrx |
| 23:05.51 | tarzeau | or get an NVidia card :) |
| 23:05.52 | dondelelcaro | DavidProck1981: alternatively, we'll ask you why you don't use the drivers that actually ship with Xorg |
| 23:06.21 | DavidProck1981 | it gets worse if I do |
| 23:06.30 | abrotman | which ATI card do you have ? |
| 23:06.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: they all cause problems |
| 23:06.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: the fglrx binary drivers are horrible |
| 23:06.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: they cause more problems if you try to use the fglrx and it doesn't support your card :) |
| 23:06.59 | DavidProck1981 | what exzactly would I ask ati "word for word" cause I don't know what to say |
| 23:07.13 | Acu | itchi: I have installed GSAMBAD which replaced the original smb.conf - maybe I should uninstall GSAMBAD and reconfigure smb.conf - I know is just an user issue |
| 23:07.13 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 23:07.20 | rahul | DavidProck1981: if you can't figure this out, you don't deserve to use a computer |
| 23:07.23 | DavidProck1981 | radeon all in wonder 8500DV |
| 23:07.25 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: "your cards suck, here's your ati card back, give me my money!@ |
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| 23:07.41 | murosai | dondelelcaro: so if i put localhost and host x in client configuration file, i should just put localhost in the host x configuration file or? |
| 23:07.44 | itchi | Acu: I dunno what GSAMBAD is |
| 23:08.16 | DavidProck1981 | I've hade it to long to get my money back |
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| 23:08.20 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: so why are you trying to use that driver ? |
| 23:08.25 | Acu | itchi: is a GUI for Samba |
| 23:08.29 | x_link | Hi |
| 23:08.31 | iammisc | when i boot the netinst cd for etch it just stops at booting the cd. i think it is because the cd is too big and the computer too slow how do i find out what is going on behind the scene? |
| 23:08.34 | x_link | I use acpi -t to see the temp |
| 23:08.39 | x_link | But it ALWAYS shows 40C |
| 23:08.42 | x_link | Isn't that weird? |
| 23:08.45 | DavidProck1981 | because it is from the ati web site |
| 23:08.48 | tarzeau | x_link: yes, but it's possible |
| 23:08.53 | tarzeau | x_link: can you try what xmbmon says? |
| 23:08.58 | itchi | Acu: Yup, saw it, but never use it :-) (It's not that hard that config file, and lesser once you know the options you usually need) |
| 23:08.59 | tarzeau | x_link: err just mbmon |
| 23:09.16 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: are you trying to use a certain feature of the card? |
| 23:09.17 | tarzeau | x_link: some hardware sensors kinda are stuck, not much you can do about that. we have them also: |
| 23:09.23 | DavidProck1981 | yes |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: which is ? |
| 23:09.33 | tarzeau | x_link: http://inventory.phys.ethz.ch/stats |
| 23:09.36 | x_link | tarzeau: I will try with that |
| 23:09.46 | DavidProck1981 | 3D accell and the tv tuner |
| 23:09.48 | x_link | xmbmon as root ? |
| 23:09.51 | itchi | Acu: Also restart samba each time you change the config file |
| 23:09.55 | rahul | "Automated installer and Display Drivers for XFree86 4.3 and X.Org 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1" |
| 23:09.55 | dondelelcaro | murosai: you just need to run the distccd daemons on the other hosts with proper --allow options, and then run distcc on the server. |
| 23:09.58 | tarzeau | x_link: or mbmon. yes as root |
| 23:09.58 | rahul | wtf |
| 23:10.06 | dondelelcaro | murosai: the server does not run distccd, but it must have distcc. |
| 23:10.08 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: did you actually check their site .. it says the driver supports 7.1 |
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| 23:10.12 | tarzeau | rahul: it's great, but the drivers just suck |
| 23:10.16 | x_link | tarzeau: Didn't find command |
| 23:10.22 | tarzeau | x_link: apt-get install it? |
| 23:10.31 | DavidProck1981 | they say it does dut the driver say it don't LOL |
| 23:10.32 | tarzeau | x_link: pkg name is mbmon |
| 23:10.40 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: now if you persist on not using the driver provided by debian.. go ask #ati |
| 23:10.46 | rahul | tarzeau: what should I use for a 9700 pro? |
| 23:11.05 | tarzeau | rahul: the 9700 one? really i've only had troubles with ati cards, replaced them all with nvidia ones |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | rahul: the r300 should support that |
| 23:11.21 | tarzeau | rahul: (using xfree/xorg/ and preferably the non-free nvidia drivers) work all great |
| 23:11.24 | rahul | abrotman: 3d accel? |
| 23:11.32 | abrotman | rahul: unsure .. check x.org |
| 23:11.45 | DavidProck1981 | when I get the money I will get a nvidia card |
| 23:11.48 | abrotman | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 23:11.55 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: did you ask #ati yet? |
| 23:12.03 | DavidProck1981 | 3D accelaration (I can't spell worth a fuck) |
| 23:12.04 | rahul | hardware 3D acceleration (except R300 and R400 series cards), |
| 23:12.11 | DavidProck1981 | ati is dead |
| 23:12.23 | AoA | how I can see what is my hard disk latter (I mean is it hda FAT32 hda1 NTFS etc), and what file sistem is on it ? I dont have fdisk... |
| 23:12.25 | abrotman | ati got bought by amd .. they're far from dead |
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| 23:12.58 | x_link | tarzeau: Now it works http://pastebin.ca/290372 |
| 23:13.01 | DavidProck1981 | the chat room #ati is dead |
| 23:13.14 | x_link | tarzeau: But I don't understand what is what |
| 23:13.27 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: tough .. you want to use their installer .. get their help .. or we'll help you with the debian method |
| 23:13.29 | itchi | AoA: cfdisk for example |
| 23:13.47 | tarzeau | x_link: 32,25,26 are temperatures |
| 23:13.59 | tarzeau | x_link: mbmon is able to read out in degrees celsius |
| 23:14.01 | AoA | itchi I dont have cfdisk , fdisk and sfdisk |
| 23:14.06 | tarzeau | x_link: RTSL |
| 23:14.11 | tarzeau | UTSL even |
| 23:14.15 | itchi | AoA: Run you it as root user? |
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| 23:14.43 | x_link | tarzeau: So my temp is 32 ? |
| 23:14.48 | robin_sz | ick, ok, who is going to admit to being hte bcm43xx maintainer then? |
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| 23:14.53 | tarzeau | x_link: yes |
| 23:14.56 | AoA | itchi, o yes, and that command (programs) does not exist |
| 23:15.00 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 23:15.05 | x_link | I wonder why acpi -t shows 40 |
| 23:15.12 | tarzeau | x_link: read its source? |
| 23:15.13 | x_link | tarzeau: So I should look at the first number? |
| 23:15.15 | rahul | AoA: have you tried installing it? |
| 23:15.25 | tarzeau | x_link: no, look at all three numbers |
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| 23:15.38 | DavidProck1981 | Question, when etch 4.0 is released what version of xorg will it have? |
| 23:15.46 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: 7.1ish |
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| 23:16.11 | AoA | rahul I cannot install, because it is imposible to install |
| 23:16.20 | x_link | tarzeau: hehe okey, but how do I know which one of them are my actually temp ? |
| 23:16.24 | guru | does anyone here use a logitech mx7 cordless optical mouse by any chance? |
| 23:16.27 | rahul | AoA: that makes no sense |
| 23:16.31 | tarzeau | x_link: all it tells are |
| 23:16.39 | x_link | Temp.= 32.0, 25.0, 26.0; that's 3 different numbers |
| 23:16.40 | tarzeau | x_link: they are taken from different places, in different ways |
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| 23:16.46 | x_link | tarzeau: Okey |
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| 23:16.57 | tarzeau | x_link: you can even ask your harddisks about temps using smartctl -A disk | grep Temp and using hddtemp |
| 23:16.58 | DavidProck1981 | like 2 day agao I read 7.0 from www.debian.org under the newz section |
| 23:17.06 | x_link | ok |
| 23:17.12 | tarzeau | DavidProck1981: link? |
| 23:17.14 | itchi | AoA: dpkg -l util-linux |
| 23:17.18 | DavidProck1981 | and now I don't see it |
| 23:17.18 | AoA | rahul I am using Fedora Core, and it is imposible to install something from DVD dute to bug, and I dont have internet connection |
| 23:17.29 | rahul | AoA: so don't ask us |
| 23:17.30 | x_link | tarzeau: Thanks for the help mate! |
| 23:17.46 | itchi | AoA: he man, then you tell you not find that stuff ... |
| 23:17.54 | rahul | AoA: if you don't have an internet connection, then you're not on irc. so I can ignore you because you don't exist. |
| 23:17.54 | DavidProck1981 | it was on this page http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
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| 23:18.01 | DavidProck1981 | WAS, not any more |
| 23:18.08 | abrotman | sure ... we believe you ... |
| 23:18.15 | murosai | dondelelcaro: when it actually works does it distribue the work so that the host cpus are always on 100%? |
| 23:18.33 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: they haven't changed that page .. |
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| 23:18.52 | abrotman | or if they have .. they did it badly .. still lists 2.6.17 as the kernel to be used |
| 23:19.42 | murosai | dondelelcaro: im not really sure if it works because when i compile i get an increased cpu load on my host but distccmon doesn't show anything :< |
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| 23:20.02 | AoA | rahul hahahahahaha |
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| 23:20.31 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: http://cvs.debian.org/webwml/english/News/2006/20060724.wml?rev=1.3&root=webwml&view=log |
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| 23:20.37 | itchi | AoA: If you want a tip of an old FC user, remove that biieep and install Debian! |
| 23:20.43 | murosai | or wait a minute, is distccmon supposed to be run on the client :> |
| 23:20.51 | abrotman | unless they moved the website to svn |
| 23:21.23 | AoA | itchi I had debian for one year, Debian 3.1r0a |
| 23:21.59 | DavidProck1981 | brb I got to SHIT |
| 23:22.20 | murosai | can i somehow sort of leave the process currently on my terminal in the background without exiting it? |
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| 23:22.32 | abrotman | !tell DavidProck1981 about away |
| 23:22.50 | rahul | murosai: nohup |
| 23:22.51 | mc__ | i have a dual core cpu,can i somehow assing a process to a certain core? |
| 23:23.01 | rahul | mc__: why? |
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| 23:23.08 | rahul | mc__: do you think it'll actually help anything? |
| 23:23.34 | itchi | AoA: I can not believe that you have moved then |
| 23:23.43 | mc__ | rahul: i hope,i want no other processes to run on the same core as X |
| 23:23.45 | nkuttler | murosai: man bash, see job control? |
| 23:23.46 | murosai | rahul: but after the process is started |
| 23:23.55 | abrotman | cpuaffinity |
| 23:23.58 | AoA | itchi I moved to Gentoo |
| 23:24.07 | rahul | murosai: no |
| 23:24.18 | rahul | mc__: ?? |
| 23:24.26 | rahul | mc__: your X server needs a whole cpu? |
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| 23:24.34 | rahul | mc__: what the hell did you do to it? |
| 23:24.51 | itchi | AoA: /msg dpkg gentoo :-) |
| 23:25.07 | AoA | :) |
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| 23:25.14 | mc__ | rahul: X server + kde +office on one cpu,quake on the other cpu,that's what i have in mind |
| 23:25.23 | AoA | itchi you mean Gentoo file browser ... |
| 23:25.42 | x_link | tarzeau: I just downloaded something else that shows 40C as well. Something in SuperKramba |
| 23:25.42 | minerale | when I do ifconfig eth0 I see: inet6 addr: fe80::216:3eff:fe32:6772/64 Scope:Link - what does this mean ? |
| 23:25.45 | x_link | SuperKaramba |
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| 23:26.13 | rahul | mc__: and when you're not running quake, you want the system to be slower than it would be otherwise? |
| 23:26.26 | mc__ | rahul: yes |
| 23:26.43 | mc__ | rahul: please just tell me if it is possible |
| 23:26.50 | rahul | mc__: the kernel will do this when it's needed anyway |
| 23:27.25 | rahul | mc__: and sometimes putting X on a different cpu will be slower, because shm will need to use the bus |
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| 23:27.55 | rahul | hmm, depending on whether context switches totally wipe the caches on intel |
| 23:28.11 | mc__ | rahul: but is it theoretically possible to assign a process to a cpu? |
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| 23:28.17 | rahul | and if that's the case, cpu affinity will do nothing at all |
| 23:28.37 | rahul | mc__: sure. and it's almost guaranteed to slow down your system for your usage. |
| 23:28.38 | hobophobe | When one logs out of gdm what happens to X? Some kind of partial restart? |
| 23:28.47 | rahul | hobophobe: no |
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| 23:29.01 | mc__ | rahul: alright,but could you please point me out how to do it? |
| 23:29.01 | abrotman | hobophobe: yes |
| 23:29.10 | rahul | hobophobe: uh, and you don't log out of gdm. you log IN to it |
| 23:29.26 | blackelf_ | I have an idea how to increase performence of system bootup |
| 23:29.44 | rahul | mc__: I think it's called cpuaffinity |
| 23:29.48 | abrotman | polish internet sucks |
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| 23:29.57 | abrotman | i can't even get to the phishing sites |
| 23:30.01 | rahul | haha |
| 23:30.02 | blackelf_ | abrotman: hm? |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | phishing .. |
| 23:30.20 | rahul | it's a security measure |
| 23:30.21 | blackelf_ | in case when one have shitload of ram (like me - 2 GB on desktop). Force kernel to precache some binaries files. |
| 23:30.34 | abrotman | how will it know which to precache ? |
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| 23:30.38 | hobophobe | When it does the partial restart it seems that there's some confusion it causes either to my graphics driver or between gdm/X that causes some failures :o/ |
| 23:30.42 | blackelf_ | like, first time I start KDE it takes 10 sec, next time just 2 sec cos binaries are in cache |
| 23:30.47 | mc__ | rahul: thank you! |
| 23:30.55 | blackelf_ | first time I start konsole - 3 sec, enxt time 1 sec and so on |
| 23:31.01 | blackelf_ | abrotman: simply read them |
| 23:31.01 | abrotman | !prelink |
| 23:31.01 | dpkg | [prelink] a program made by Jakub Jelinek, apt-get install prelink Prelinked binaries will cause warnings in tripwire and checksecurity, and supposedly makes applications start faster. |
| 23:31.05 | rahul | mc__: that won't prevent processes that you don't configure, tho |
| 23:31.18 | blackelf_ | abrotman: prelink is other story, yes, but also precache the files |
| 23:31.27 | abrotman | but how do know which i'll need ? |
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| 23:31.32 | rahul | blackelf_: do cat /bin/binary > /dev/null |
| 23:31.37 | blackelf_ | rahul: yes |
| 23:31.40 | valdyn | blackelf_: files are cached as soon as they are loaded once, explicitely loading does no good there |
| 23:31.48 | rahul | blackelf_: but you need to set that up yourself |
| 23:31.52 | blackelf_ | I wonder which files to precache, are thre some ready tools for that? dont want reinvent wheel |
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| 23:32.04 | rahul | blackelf_: you run it and find out what it reads |
| 23:32.07 | abrotman | valdyn: come on . let him go .. it's entertaining :) |
| 23:32.09 | blackelf_ | entire /usr/bin/* is too big, but /bin/* is ok |
| 23:32.09 | rahul | which is what it does now |
| 23:32.20 | robin_sz | so .. the problem is I think in the pcmcia-modules package .. it loads bcm43xx module for the bcm4318 card I was using with ndiswrapper |
| 23:32.23 | blackelf_ | rahul: how exacly? anything more comfortable then strace ? |
| 23:32.37 | abrotman | maybe you should load all the libraries instead ? |
| 23:32.51 | blackelf_ | abrotman: good idea. where are they located? /usr/... ? |
| 23:32.52 | rahul | blackelf_: scott mckay had the same problem when trying to precompile effective methods in CLIM |
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| 23:33.18 | rahul | blackelf_: they basically took a trace of the regression tests or something and preocmpiled the methods that were exercised in that |
| 23:33.26 | robin_sz | the problem is .. bcm43xx doesnt actually work unless you have installed the firmware with bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 23:33.31 | blackelf_ | I will do a precache_popular.sh and make it to run in background from S40 initd |
| 23:33.35 | rahul | blackelf_: because otherwise, they'd be precompiling methods for all possible argument combinations |
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| 23:33.57 | blackelf_ | whare are all libraries located? |
| 23:34.05 | rahul | "all"? |
| 23:34.08 | User___ | I changed my /etc/fstab now how can I reload it ? please |
| 23:34.18 | mc__ | blackelf_: /usr/lib /usr/X11R6/lib etc.. |
| 23:34.18 | blackelf_ | rahul: like libkde libx and so on |
| 23:34.20 | rahul | blackelf_: faster is the parallel init replacement they're creating |
| 23:34.22 | nkuttler | User___: reload? |
| 23:34.24 | valdyn | User___: you cant, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 23:34.33 | blackelf_ | rahul: where can I read more about it? |
| 23:34.42 | rahul | blackelf_: those are in /usr/X11R6/lib, but others are in other lib dirs |
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| 23:34.47 | rahul | blackelf_: forget what it's called... |
| 23:34.53 | User___ | nkuttler valdyn I pretend to get my changes without reboot :P |
| 23:35.05 | valdyn | User___: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
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| 23:35.33 | User___ | valdyn thanks ;) |
| 23:35.34 | nkuttler | User___: uh, umount, mount? |
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| 23:35.37 | cydork | abrotman: huh? |
| 23:35.57 | valdyn | User___: but you're just making this complicated,'mount /mountpoint' will mount if that mountpoint is listed in /etc/fstab |
| 23:36.05 | abrotman | !info bonjour etch |
| 23:36.06 | User___ | nkuttler I add few lines to fstab and now I would like to apply the settings without reboot |
| 23:36.20 | abrotman | ah .. not from debian apparently :) |
| 23:36.22 | blackelf_ | rahul: I think that kernel should evolve in this matte, like adding a field in kernel that estimates how hot is given cache page, and giving user space interface to that, so for instance I can precache a file AND tell kernel its VERY important to keep it in cache for very long |
| 23:36.35 | abrotman | must have been a zero conf thing :) |
| 23:36.45 | rahul | blackelf_: mmap it and lock the pages. |
| 23:36.47 | cydork | abrotman: what's the package about? |
| 23:36.50 | murosai | how can i see all the files that belongs to a package? |
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| 23:36.59 | abrotman | cydork: /j #flood |
| 23:37.02 | rahul | murosai: apt-file, maybe |
| 23:37.03 | valdyn | murosai: dpkg -L package if it is installed |
| 23:37.11 | rahul | apt-file if it's not instaled |
| 23:37.39 | blackelf_ | rahul: I ment someting more advance then 0/1 hot/cold. like a score, default is 50, and user program can increase it. also score auto increase on use and decrease with time if score < 200. max is 255 |
| 23:38.10 | rahul | blackelf_: well, that's just a really broken implementation of an LRU cache |
| 23:38.31 | blackelf_ | rahul: but kernel uses LRU cache? and does it allow user space to set the score |
| 23:38.43 | rahul | blackelf_: yes it does. and no it doesn't. |
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| 23:39.16 | rahul | blackelf_: that's not what's really important, anyway |
| 23:39.16 | blackelf_ | rahul: so I think it should allow userspace to set it. and some programs like cp should allow user to set it |
| 23:39.28 | rahul | blackelf_: you'd need to be root to do that kind of thing |
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| 23:39.38 | rahul | blackelf_: otherwise, users could totally screw up the system |
| 23:39.42 | blackelf_ | it is important, doing cp -r /home /backup will flush my cache with trash |
| 23:40.01 | blackelf_ | my idea is to allow (for users as well) cp -r --forget /home /backup |
| 23:40.13 | blackelf_ | and cp -r --remember ../source ~/work |
| 23:40.27 | iammisc | !find zd1201 etch |
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| 23:40.32 | rahul | which ones will it forget or remember? the source or destination files? |
| 23:40.33 | blackelf_ | the former will suggest kernel to rather not cache it (unless plenty of free ram), the later will suggest kernel to do cache it |
| 23:40.37 | LnxSlck | is there a pykota .deb out there ? |
| 23:40.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'zd1201' (3 of 18): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1201.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/zd1201.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7/include/config/usb/zd1201.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7. |
| 23:40.56 | valdyn | LnxSlck: tried google? |
| 23:40.57 | rahul | blackelf_: actually, it's not LRU. I htink it's called page aging |
| 23:40.58 | mc__ | LnxSlck: search for it? |
| 23:40.59 | blackelf_ | rahul: ok, there should be more options then. but thats general idea |
| 23:41.27 | rahul | blackelf_: which gets around the one-use scenario that you're describing, if I understand how it works correctly |
| 23:41.35 | blackelf_ | I belive linux kernel might use more advance caches managment, and some user space tools to hint kernel about the way given data will be used in future |
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| 23:42.18 | jasta | Hi guys, I wrote a simple mapping script for /etc/network/interfaces that can be used to automatically connect to "preferred" networks. Would upstream be interested in something like this? |
| 23:42.28 | rahul | blackelf_: no, what's really going to help is if you can find out whether a page is swapped or not |
| 23:42.30 | Trewas | blackelf_: those kinda things are already possible, see for example madvise(2) and open(2) (search for O_DIRECT) |
| 23:42.33 | abrotman | jasta: you could ask them |
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| 23:42.48 | rahul | Trewas: ah, yes O_DIRECT |
| 23:42.51 | jasta | abrotman: which package maintainer should i contact? ifupdown's? |
| 23:42.57 | avalon | Is there any site that has a step by step on how to rebuild a module? I know I'm supposed to patch it to my kernel, but I'm not quite sure how to do that |
| 23:43.01 | jasta | i guess that's what my real question is. |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | jasta: have you seen the other methods ? |
| 23:43.04 | blackelf_ | Trewas: yeah I heared about thoes tools, but they seem primite right? only yes/no binary setting instead of score like 0..255 and so on |
| 23:43.09 | jasta | abrotman: no? |
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| 23:43.23 | abrotman | !info laptop-net etch |
| 23:43.26 | dpkg | laptop-net: (Automatically adapt laptop ethernet), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.26-7 (etch), Packaged size: 60 kB, Installed size: 328 kB |
| 23:43.33 | jasta | hmm, interesting |
| 23:43.43 | blackelf_ | woah, /usr/lib is 3 GB =) |
| 23:43.57 | rahul | blackelf_: exactly |
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| 23:44.07 | rahul | blackelf_: you don't have enough RAM to do this efficiently |
| 23:44.10 | blackelf_ | I think I will turn off noatime for a while and messure which files are used. how to sort in ls depending on last ACCESS time? |
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| 23:44.13 | jasta | abrotman: thank you, i will look into this |
| 23:44.17 | rahul | blackelf_: and the precaching will slow down the system while it's happening |
| 23:44.25 | snowbird | were do i get debian sorce list? |
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| 23:44.25 | blackelf_ | rahul: nice -19 precache.sh |
| 23:44.37 | mc__ | snowbird: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:44.38 | rahul | blackelf_: eh, that's still not that good |
| 23:44.45 | blackelf_ | rahul: I will experiment |
| 23:44.48 | valdyn | there already is a tool in debian that does something like this |
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| 23:44.55 | blackelf_ | valdyn: called? |
| 23:44.56 | rahul | blackelf_: I/O dependent processes will get upped in priority |
| 23:44.59 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 23:45.11 | abrotman | don't announce it |
| 23:45.14 | DavidProck1981 | I did not read every thing but...... |
| 23:45.16 | blackelf_ | rahul: that is other thing, linux still lacks tools to renice io right? |
| 23:45.19 | valdyn | blackelf_: preload |
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| 23:45.35 | snowbird | i mean a propermlist of add on sorce |
| 23:45.40 | DavidProck1981 | mc__: I notice you like quake, can you do me a favor |
| 23:45.42 | blackelf_ | valdyn: it does other thing |
| 23:45.47 | rahul | blackelf_: yes, but I/O usually indiates an interactive process, which gives higher priority |
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| 23:46.05 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: what do you want? |
| 23:46.10 | blackelf_ | rahul: how to makre process nice -19 AND make him IDLE also in I/O ? |
| 23:46.24 | DavidProck1981 | since you like quake would you like Doom3 |
| 23:46.25 | rahul | blackelf_: what you're proposing turns traditional OS design upside down |
| 23:46.27 | blackelf_ | recetly kerenls do support io nice but does debian have user tool for it? |
| 23:46.40 | blackelf_ | rahul: no, its called batch job renice |
| 23:46.41 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: my GPU is too slow for it,tried a demo |
| 23:46.58 | DavidProck1981 | oh did it even run at all |
| 23:47.00 | rahul | blackelf_: I/O can't be controlled the same way either |
| 23:47.11 | rahul | blackelf_: in fact, it's not even easily predictable |
| 23:47.20 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: yes,but the sound was very strange |
| 23:47.32 | DavidProck1981 | what was your FPS |
| 23:47.34 | blackelf_ | rahul: I want to make a program use IO only in idle time, how to? |
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| 23:47.54 | rahul | blackelf_: iometer-based elevator optimization KILLS performance under interactive programs |
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| 23:48.05 | DavidProck1981 | was it decent |
| 23:48.12 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: somewhere between 20 and 25 IIRC |
| 23:48.12 | rahul | blackelf_: how do you know you're going to be idle 10 us from now? |
| 23:48.26 | rahul | blackelf_: a disk request could block interactive apps for 10 ms |
| 23:48.29 | blackelf_ | rahul: I think we missundertood. I want to set for ONE given program an option so it will not use IO unless no IO load |
| 23:48.29 | rahul | not even us |
| 23:48.40 | DavidProck1981 | did all the textures show like they supposed to |
| 23:48.48 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: yes |
| 23:48.49 | blackelf_ | rahul: I know its not perfect, but its better then default |
| 23:48.53 | rahul | blackelf_: the granularity of IO quanta will have to be something on the order of 50 ms |
| 23:48.58 | DavidProck1981 | what video card do you have |
| 23:49.08 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: Geforce 7300SE |
| 23:49.11 | rahul | blackelf_: and you want this for optimizing the system... |
| 23:49.13 | blackelf_ | rahul: I except that fact, still its better then default |
| 23:49.28 | rahul | blackelf_: a parallel init is what you are asking for |
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| 23:49.37 | blackelf_ | rahul: when there was no IO for several seconds its probably safe to block IO for 0.05 sec |
| 23:50.04 | blackelf_ | rahul: but I already have parralel init, my preload script is executed in background ( & ) |
| 23:50.07 | DavidProck1981 | cause I have the full game for linux but I can't play it cause of my card |
| 23:50.12 | blackelf_ | it works fine |
| 23:50.13 | rahul | blackelf_: wrong |
| 23:50.20 | blackelf_ | rahul: well it do work... |
| 23:50.36 | rahul | blackelf_: parallel init means the files are used and can be flushed from cache |
| 23:50.37 | DavidProck1981 | what did you mean by your GPU was to slow |
| 23:50.40 | DavidProck1981 | mc__ |
| 23:50.44 | geo-rge | I'm exploring the idea of putting a more modern system together, and I was wondering if there is a list of success reports with specific hardware. I |
| 23:50.55 | rahul | blackelf_: you're actually interleaving processing and io instead of slowing down io that's connected to processing |
| 23:51.10 | blackelf_ | rahul: I have dualcore |
| 23:51.16 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: the 7300SE is to slow for Doom3 |
| 23:51.21 | geo-rge | am presently looking into motherbpards and therefore specific core architectures |
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| 23:51.27 | blackelf_ | thats why Im asking about thoes ideas, I will also use raid interleaved soon |
| 23:51.34 | rahul | blackelf_: and that prevents io contention how? |
| 23:51.39 | nkuttler | hm, what's the standard system task in tasksel? |
| 23:51.44 | rahul | blackelf_: raid doesn't affect this |
| 23:51.48 | rahul | blackelf_: raid will make it worse |
| 23:51.51 | itchi | geo-rge: Look to /msg dpkg hcl |
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| 23:52.06 | x_link | Which command shows the size of the directory I'm currently in? |
| 23:52.07 | DavidProck1981 | mc__: do you know what would be good for doom3, I have the full game for linux (no emulation) |
| 23:52.09 | blackelf_ | rahul: on dual core and raid I can benefit more from having several tasks working in apralel. for example make -j 4 is about x2 fast as regular make now |
| 23:52.09 | x_link | df -? |
| 23:52.12 | rahul | nkuttler: what s a standard system? |
| 23:52.12 | linux_jones | hello |
| 23:52.19 | rahul | blackelf_: if they're PROCESSING |
| 23:52.24 | cydork | x_link: man du |
| 23:52.28 | nkuttler | rahul: that's what i was asking myself. |
| 23:52.31 | geo-rge | itchi: would that be a list specific to particular kernels used in debian install process? |
| 23:52.34 | rahul | blackelf_: raid does not speed up file access. it speeds up transfer times. |
| 23:52.35 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: a 6600GT should be enough,costs about 120USD |
| 23:52.38 | itchi | geo-rge: If you already have the stuff, this will be useful http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 23:52.42 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: gf6800gt is fine for doom3 |
| 23:52.46 | valdyn | DavidProck1981: maybe less |
| 23:52.46 | geo-rge | no of course not |
| 23:52.47 | rahul | nkuttler: there are different tasks for different kinds of systems |
| 23:52.55 | blackelf_ | rahul: yes. I want my preload to grab some files from HDD while the init.d is waiting for DNS response, for NTP server and so on |
| 23:53.00 | nkuttler | rahul: doh. there is a task called "standard system" |
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| 23:53.10 | itchi | geo-rge: I dunno to be honnest, a bit intersting in you question and look a bit what i find about it ;-) |
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| 23:53.12 | rahul | nkuttler: that's probably basic utilities |
| 23:53.21 | geo-rge | I'm considering upgrading... but I have no new hardware yet... |
| 23:53.54 | blackelf_ | with ls how to print files sorted on ACCESS time? |
| 23:53.57 | rahul | blackelf_: and then that will clog up memory and need to be evicted and then re-read. lovely. |
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| 23:54.10 | itchi | geo-rge: If it's an laptop, tuxmobile, linux on laptop will be useful |
| 23:54.10 | DavidProck1981 | of those 2 which one is good for it and then some to go on, if you get what I mean |
| 23:54.10 | geo-rge | itchi: you're insterested in possibly upgrading as well? |
| 23:54.13 | capiira | hi all |
| 23:54.28 | geo-rge | no. probably not a laptop |
| 23:54.29 | blackelf_ | rahul: why exacly? I have 2 GB of ram, I would like to load say 200 mb of commn libs and most common binares |
| 23:54.38 | itchi | geo-rge: Nope, i have an brand new laptop of lesser as 2 months :-) |
| 23:54.39 | jking2100 | I attempted to perform a netinstall of debian: two things 1. did not recognize onboard nic [marvel] 2. Did not recognize SATA drives is this normal I do not really care about the nic I have an ne2000 spare but what is the deal with sata |
| 23:54.47 | capiira | i just finished installing etch testing and cant find the nvidia-glx package. anyone know where to get? |
| 23:55.00 | rahul | blackelf_: those will be loaded before your precache script finishes, heh |
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| 23:55.16 | blackelf_ | rahul: I will check and report with resuls :) |
| 23:55.17 | rahul | blackelf_: they'll be needed before your script even runs |
| 23:55.20 | valdyn | jking2100: which debian did you try to install? there's many sata controllers taht are to new for sarge to support them |
| 23:55.21 | itchi | capiira: Look to /msg dpkg search |
| 23:55.30 | jking2100 | 3.1r4 |
| 23:55.36 | itchi | capiira: Then look to factoids concerning nvidia |
| 23:55.38 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 23:55.38 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 23:55.44 | valdyn | jking2100: ^^^ |
| 23:55.45 | abrotman | there's a .18 |
| 23:55.56 | rahul | blackelf_: your solution may improve startup for a certain set of people by about 10-15%. parallel init will improve it by 50% at least |
| 23:55.58 | jking2100 | motherboard ASUS p5GDC Deluxe onboard SATA Controller |
| 23:56.03 | valdyn | jking2100: first try the 2.6 kernel coming with your debian, probably you only tried the default 2.4.x |
| 23:56.04 | blackelf_ | from bash, how to run a program and allow it to run at most 20 seconds? |
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| 23:56.08 | Mystic_place | Hello |
| 23:56.22 | itchi | capiira: (Little hint; why is it no more) |
| 23:56.48 | rahul | nkuttler: I see no such task |
| 23:56.48 | blackelf_ | rahul: well where can I read about it? can I install parralel init in testing? |
| 23:56.49 | rahul | blackelf_: init scripts need to be migrated to it |
| 23:56.49 | geo-rge | if this is my kernel: "Linux version 2.6.18 (root@dual) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Thu Nov 30 05:01:29 PST 2006" and this is my gcc: "gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19)", do I need to rebuild the kernel if I expect to build modules? |
| 23:57.02 | capiira | ? |
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| 23:57.10 | rahul | blackelf_: current init scripts give numeric sequence, not dependencies |
| 23:57.11 | geo-rge | if it matters, I have etch with a custom kernel |
| 23:57.15 | Mystic_place | i´m sorry my question but i make one upgrade in my computer to one "amd 64 x2" and the i64 bussiness install and netinstall are not runnng in my computer the cd ... they advice me to use this one but loo´ks i can`t install debian whith i64 |
| 23:57.28 | itchi | capiira: I want learn you to fish :-) /msg dpkg fish |
| 23:57.45 | jking2100 | is there a way to make a netinstall disk with the 2.6 kernel I cannot even see my drives to install |
| 23:57.49 | Mystic_place | what distro version kernel i need to catch to can run here whith netinstall? |
| 23:57.52 | valdyn | geo-rge: depends on some properties of your custom kernel, generally though you dont |
| 23:57.53 | rahul | geo-rge: gcc -V 3.3.5 --version |
| 23:58.01 | nkuttler | rahul: forget it. unofficial etch-rc1 installer. |
| 23:58.05 | capiira | :) |
| 23:58.18 | geo-rge | rahul: probably I removed that, but let's see |
| 23:58.23 | valdyn | geo-rge: though you should never mix compiler versions, just use the old one or recompile |
| 23:58.33 | itchi | jking2100: Press 'F1' when the CD is booted |
| 23:58.41 | geo-rge | gcc: couldn't run 'i486-linux-gnu-gcc-3.3.5': No such file or directory |
| 23:58.49 | geo-rge | thought so |
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| 23:59.45 | capiira | i got nothing with apt-cache |
| 23:59.45 | jking2100 | ok, then I will get a selection for the 2.6 kernel?? |
| 23:59.45 | rahul | geo-rge: actually... 3.3 |
| 23:59.46 | valdyn | jking2100: first boot prompt, hit F1, read |
| 23:59.46 | geo-rge | valdyn: so would you recommend I rebuild (assuming I am to build modules with gcc-4)? |
| 23:59.46 | rahul | geo-rge: -V only goes down to minor rev |
| 23:59.46 | Mystic_place | someone knows what netinstall i shoud download to one amd 64 x2 ? |
| 23:59.46 | Mystic_place | :\ |
| 23:59.46 | valdyn | geo-rge: yes |
| 23:59.49 | geo-rge | ok |
| 23:59.49 | jking2100 | ok will try thank you for the help |
| 23:59.52 | rahul | i486-linux-gnu-gcc-3.3 (GCC) 3.3.6 (Debian 1:3.3.6-13) |
| 23:59.52 | mc__ | Mystic_place: the amd_64 one |
