| 00:00.12 | Pappa | everyone always make fun of me :'( okay i'll try |
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| 00:04.59 | aborigen | Hi, guys, I am looking for mono VB.net compiler in debian packages --- seems there was a package named mono-mbas half a year ago. However, at the moment it vanished (or I'm a bad searcher) |
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| 00:05.29 | aborigen | Is anybody know where mbas in debian? |
| 00:05.57 | Pappa | does the kernel people have a channel? |
| 00:06.20 | krazykit | Pappa: maybe, but they also have a mailing list |
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| 00:07.03 | Pappa | hm can acpi in linux route IRQ's? |
| 00:07.15 | Pappa | i thought the linux acpi implentation was severely limited |
| 00:08.40 | robin_sz | coo, its christmas day already! |
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| 00:10.55 | rysiek|pl | guys, if I use unionfs, do I need to have the branched dirs mounted somewhere already? |
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| 00:12.31 | jross | anyone know how you might be able to grab mouse input on a synergy client? |
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| 00:13.18 | jross | for like synergy or dosbox where it has to grab mouse input |
| 00:13.41 | jross | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.13 | djace | hi! |
| 00:20.30 | djace | is there some way to know the _original_ installation date of a debian install? |
| 00:22.35 | beardy | djace: Not one that works everytime, look for the oldest file? |
| 00:23.23 | geo-rge | the oldest file will be one from a tar file, before the install date |
| 00:24.11 | beardy | Exclude places where such things can be found then, or just ignore it. |
| 00:24.31 | abrotman | djace: the date of the installation log |
| 00:24.32 | beardy | Until one likely to be from a package, or the install, is found. |
| 00:24.59 | abrotman | $ ls -l /var/log/debian-installer/status |
| 00:25.03 | abrotman | roughly anyways :) |
| 00:25.21 | djace | thanks everyone :) |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | that's on etch |
| 00:25.48 | abrotman | i've seen the sarge one .. can't remember what it is .. but it's also in /var/log/ |
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| 00:26.01 | abrotman | oh . maybe the same on sarge |
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| 00:26.53 | beardy | If the installation was before that debian-installer.. then. |
| 00:28.57 | djace | found it, installation was on june 2003, now thats an interesting piece of trivia :) |
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| 00:31.39 | elshaa | what package do I need to get apt-setup ? |
| 00:31.54 | elshaa | I though it was in a mininal system... |
| 00:32.15 | rhalff | what's apt-setup ? :p |
| 00:32.46 | beardy | !apt-setup |
| 00:32.47 | dpkg | from memory, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 00:34.13 | elshaa | hum ok. that's because I use etch |
| 00:34.15 | elshaa | thanks |
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| 00:39.05 | nekostar | what do yall thing about CHAINTECH SA62A-256 GeForce 6200A 256MB 64-bit GDDR2 AGP 4X/8X Video Card - Retail - going in an older system but i wanna take advantage of as much vid as possible.... |
| 00:39.22 | nile | is it possible to transition from testing to stable by changing my sources.list from using "testing" to "stable" when Etch becomes stable? |
| 00:39.30 | nekostar | heh |
| 00:39.36 | nekostar | i just tried going from stable to testing |
| 00:39.40 | nekostar | didnt work so well......... |
| 00:39.43 | liable | nile: make them 'etch' now |
| 00:39.44 | nekostar | tho it has in the past.... |
| 00:40.14 | geo-rge | testing to stable is downgrading, which is not supported |
| 00:40.23 | nekostar | no i went from stable >>>>> t esting |
| 00:40.30 | nekostar | which is supported and it didnt work |
| 00:40.31 | nekostar | XD |
| 00:40.54 | geo-rge | so you didn't want to go in the direction I'm referring to? |
| 00:41.08 | nile | geo-rge, but at the instant Etch becomes stable, wouldn't testing and stable be essentially equivalent? |
| 00:41.13 | nekostar | im sure i didnt have a package or three in anyway and my computer was on the fritz and blew up a day later so it could ahve been memory problems or psu spikes or something |
| 00:41.37 | geo-rge | nile: do you have testing or etch in your sources.list? |
| 00:41.47 | beardy | nile: Not necessarily, use the names, etch in this case. |
| 00:41.56 | nekostar | heh testing is just stuff that survived sid for 14 days right geo-rge? |
| 00:42.10 | nile | geo-rge, at the moment I having "testing" |
| 00:42.12 | geo-rge | nekostar: yeah I think |
| 00:42.17 | nekostar | yeah... |
| 00:42.20 | nekostar | i e nile |
| 00:42.26 | nekostar | there is a diff b/t testing and etch |
| 00:42.32 | nekostar | i actually upgraded to testing :P |
| 00:42.36 | geo-rge | nile: change all "testing" to "etch" in sources.list |
| 00:42.43 | nekostar | its just behind bleeding edge |
| 00:43.19 | geo-rge | nekostar: in fact, etch and testing are presently the same |
| 00:43.23 | geo-rge | and it |
| 00:43.26 | geo-rge | is frozen |
| 00:43.37 | geo-rge | so presently the 14-day thing isn't true either |
| 00:44.00 | nekostar | um |
| 00:44.04 | nekostar | ok....... |
| 00:44.08 | nekostar | testing is frozen?? |
| 00:44.09 | nekostar | wth |
| 00:44.15 | nekostar | oh |
| 00:44.22 | nekostar | when is it scheduled to go stable? |
| 00:44.25 | geo-rge | it's good to be uptodate with your information :) |
| 00:44.28 | geo-rge | !wir |
| 00:44.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 00:44.43 | nekostar | mm |
| 00:45.29 | geo-rge | I think there might be a published date... see www.debian.org... but ultimately will be released when it's ready |
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| 00:46.18 | nile | geo-rge, when Etch does become stable, would it be fine to change "etch" to "stable" in sources.list? |
| 00:46.55 | geo-rge | nile: sure I guess :) depends on what your purpose is |
| 00:47.28 | geo-rge | ok, gotta pack amp |
| 00:48.20 | itchi | geo-rge: Just about curiousity, how old are you? |
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| 00:50.12 | liable | nile: just change it to etch and it will always track etch (ie, testing now, stable when its released) |
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| 00:51.00 | nile | liable, I suppose I'm being overly forward-looking if I wonder what happens when Lenny goes stable? |
| 00:51.11 | ru | Hi guys |
| 00:51.24 | itchi | geo-rge: Nothings sad with it, just that it's now little time i see you here. And i like to know :-) Maybe PM it if you not want the whole know about it :-) |
| 00:51.40 | ru | Can someone here tell me how to get my lcd tv working in its native res of 1366x768 |
| 00:52.27 | ru | ive tried fiddling with xorg file and modelines, but no luck, dont want to mess around too much, dont feel like wasting my brand new 42" lcd tv |
| 00:52.33 | karsten | nekostar: WIR |
| 00:52.47 | karsten | !sunday |
| 00:52.48 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 00:54.58 | itchi | hehe, no PM snif snif |
| 00:56.26 | liable | nile: oh, yeah, well then you want to change to stable or lenny. thats a *long* way away yet :) |
| 00:57.55 | nile | liable, okay, thanks for clearing that up :) |
| 00:57.55 | nile | geo-rge, thanks as well |
| 00:58.19 | ru | anyone know anything that may help me with my lcd tv res issue? |
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| 01:01.40 | itchi | abrotman: And me :-p |
| 01:01.51 | abrotman | they're empty |
| 01:01.54 | itchi | abrotman: Egoist :-) |
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| 01:02.01 | abrotman | Italian! |
| 01:02.16 | abrotman | or some other smelly type person :) |
| 01:02.26 | itchi | abrotman: Haha :-p |
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| 01:09.10 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:09.10 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> kinema: Always back up your data. <kinema> ricky_clarkson: interesting idea. i think i'll do that. |
| 01:10.16 | kspath | abrotman, two too many philly cheesesteasks they are clogging your brains blood supply |
| 01:10.27 | Shadowcat | !qotd0 |
| 01:10.27 | dpkg | from memory, qotd78 is <BiZARRE> why cant I type my password when I try to login? <Phated> BiZARRE: Your password isn't echoed to the console. <BiZARRE> what? <BiZARRE> well, how do I type in the password? <Seb> BiZARRE: you hit the keys one by one <BiZARRE> nothing happens when I hit the keys <paulswm> UNtil you hit 'enter' <BiZARRE> the only key working is enter <BiZARRE> ok |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:11.56 | itchi | Got that user an run with it? Or maybe he have give it up :-) |
| 01:12.29 | kspath | itchi, so you are number 1 ? |
| 01:12.45 | itchi | kspath: Where? |
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| 01:12.58 | eduhat | what are some good games for linux? |
| 01:12.59 | kspath | itchi, itchi, nee, san, chi, ... |
| 01:13.17 | itchi | kspath: I not understand |
| 01:13.31 | kspath | itchi, Ohio |
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| 01:13.57 | itchi | Maybe have the guys take some advantage of the holliday and are no more fresh :-p |
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| 01:16.23 | kspath | itchi, you are in belgium? |
| 01:16.32 | RvGaTe | is there a good mysql server admin tool for linux (dont come with phpmyadmin, becouse it sucks) |
| 01:16.36 | RvGaTe | ? |
| 01:16.40 | itchi | kspath: Yes |
| 01:16.52 | itchi | RvGaTe: mysql |
| 01:16.56 | kspath | itchi, so you are not japanese? |
| 01:17.09 | itchi | kspath: No |
| 01:17.18 | RvGaTe | itchi, thats the worst answer i ever had :S |
| 01:17.26 | kspath | RvGaTe, mysql is the right answer |
| 01:17.33 | itchi | RvGaTe: nope, type mysql in an cli and your good :-) |
| 01:17.34 | kspath | RvGaTe, what do you want? |
| 01:18.19 | RvGaTe | kspath, i want an easy way to manage my mysql database, OR a database remotely... im thinking about Navicat style... easy and fast to use... no console type thingies... just a clear gui |
| 01:18.21 | kspath | RvGaTe, did you consider using perl or python or something with mysql or just use mysql? |
| 01:18.47 | kspath | RvGaTe, what is more clear than CLI? GUIs can confuse |
| 01:19.08 | kspath | RvGaTe, best case scenario is they protect you from learning |
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| 01:19.56 | RvGaTe | kspath, i know how a database works, and a console is not an easy way to manage them... i've used navicat in windows, and i love it... there is navicat for linux, but it aint free, so im looking for an alternative |
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| 01:20.39 | kspath | RvGaTe, write something in perl or python or ruby or other |
| 01:20.57 | RvGaTe | kspath, just answer my question please .... :S |
| 01:21.03 | stoned | RvGaTe, mysql-admin? |
| 01:21.40 | RvGaTe | *checking* |
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| 01:22.12 | kiru123123 | hello |
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| 01:22.28 | kiru123123 | i have an ipod nano and want to use it with my debian etch |
| 01:22.48 | kiru123123 | hal-device-manager recognize it but gui driven player like banshee or gtkpod don't get it |
| 01:22.52 | stoned | !ipod |
| 01:22.52 | dpkg | ipod is, like, a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 01:22.55 | kiru123123 | does anyone has an idea what to do? |
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| 01:23.30 | itchi | kiru123123: Yeah, first read what dpkg told |
| 01:24.02 | itchi | kspath: Know you japanese? |
| 01:24.09 | kiru123123 | (02:26:01) kiru123123: hal-device-manager recognize it but gui driven player like banshee or gtkpod don't get it |
| 01:29.13 | kiru123123 | i have tried gtkpod |
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| 01:29.14 | kspath | itchi, I know no thing. |
| 01:29.14 | kiru123123 | no one knows help? |
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| 01:29.14 | itchi | kspath: :-p |
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| 01:31.23 | nile | kiru123123, does gtkpod show no signs of realizing that the iPod exists? |
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| 01:31.23 | kiru123123 | nile: it shows nothing |
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| 01:34.58 | atula | can someone tell me if there's a way to tell whether I have a DVD player or not? lspci? |
| 01:34.58 | atula | I have this cd drive... not sure if it has DVD |
| 01:35.00 | Blue_p | Put a dvd in |
| 01:35.03 | Blue_p | and check? |
| 01:35.04 | atula | *sigh |
| 01:35.14 | atula | I wish it was that easy |
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| 01:35.18 | Blue_p | :-P |
| 01:35.21 | atula | lol |
| 01:35.24 | Blue_p | How old is it drive? |
| 01:35.28 | atula | I have no idea |
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| 01:35.35 | atula | company computer... handmedown sort of thing |
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| 01:35.37 | Blue_p | when did you buy the pc? |
| 01:35.39 | liable | crecord can output its capabilities |
| 01:35.40 | Blue_p | Ahh |
| 01:35.43 | atula | it doesn't havea brand or anyhing |
| 01:35.44 | Blue_p | I see |
| 01:35.46 | liable | cdrecord.. |
| 01:35.54 | atula | oooo |
| 01:35.56 | liable | wodim iirc now |
| 01:36.03 | itchi | kiru123123: Start you gtkpod from the cli? |
| 01:36.03 | atula | I can check Dell's spces |
| 01:36.05 | atula | specs |
| 01:36.47 | kiru123123 | itchi: i start it from the terminal-shell |
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| 01:37.27 | atula | okay. no dvd... and I just realized it's a freakin' Celeron D |
| 01:37.30 | atula | piece of CRAP! |
| 01:37.39 | nile | kiru123123, sorry, I have 0 experience with ipods :( |
| 01:37.51 | atula | oh no no |
| 01:37.54 | itchi | kiru123123: hhm, not get some additional information or stay he after the output informations? |
| 01:38.00 | atula | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 01:38.08 | atula | that's not celeron... strange |
| 01:38.37 | itchi | atula: Ba no, not realy crap, depend what you plan to do with it |
| 01:39.08 | itchi | atula: These celeron's have now also an decent cache memory |
| 01:39.24 | atula | itchi, you have a celeron proc dont you? -__- |
| 01:39.31 | atula | :D |
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| 01:39.38 | itchi | atula: No more now |
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| 01:40.11 | albert | Hola, necesito ayuda, no consigo cerrar mi ordenador!... |
| 01:40.22 | abrotman | !es |
| 01:40.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 01:40.29 | albert | perdon |
| 01:40.31 | albert | sorry |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | you did it earlier too :) |
| 01:41.07 | atula | so no one else has a bright idea on how to detect my machine if it has a dvd rom or not? |
| 01:41.10 | atula | haha |
| 01:41.25 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 01:41.32 | atula | oooh true |
| 01:41.36 | atula | let's try that |
| 01:41.40 | atula | what should I grep to? |
| 01:41.42 | albert | abrotman, never remember |
| 01:41.42 | atula | dvd? |
| 01:41.53 | liable | i told you. cdrecord |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | albert: you did it earlier today |
| 01:42.09 | abrotman | why cdrecord ? |
| 01:42.27 | liable | it has that scan thing |
| 01:42.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:42.35 | abrotman | dmesg should show it |
| 01:42.38 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:42.38 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 01:42.57 | atula | okay |
| 01:43.01 | itchi | cdrecord -checkdrive |
| 01:43.04 | atula | I think this explains it: cdrom: open failed |
| 01:43.10 | atula | aaa fug! |
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| 01:43.35 | itchi | .. and he tell it |
| 01:44.38 | itchi | atula: Can you are a bit more clear? |
| 01:44.45 | liable | apt-listbugs is annoying, always takes ages these days to check for bugs |
| 01:45.08 | atula | itchi, oh... sorry.. that was from dmesg |
| 01:45.19 | atula | ddin't install cdrecord... just got the package now |
| 01:45.20 | itchi | atula: Try what liable told you ;-) |
| 01:46.20 | kiru123123 | itchi: nothing happens |
| 01:46.22 | kiru123123 | that is all |
| 01:46.23 | atula | !paste |
| 01:46.23 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 01:46.27 | kiru123123 | i don't know why |
| 01:46.54 | itchi | kiru123123: Me too, not have an ipod btw |
| 01:46.59 | kiru123123 | hm |
| 01:47.11 | atula | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4903 |
| 01:47.20 | kiru123123 | i think this is just quite shitty because all the stuff does not work with banshee and amarok and gtkpod and whatever |
| 01:47.25 | atula | that's the paste from "sudo cdrecord -checkdrive |
| 01:47.36 | itchi | kiru123123: Nothings i the output of dmesg? Maybe an little line will tell say many in some cases |
| 01:48.04 | itchi | atula: Why use you sudo for that? |
| 01:48.05 | atula | ah. I hate it. working on Christmas Eve... *sigh... and they gave me crappy food too |
| 01:48.21 | atula | itchi, first time... some of it says no permission |
| 01:48.30 | atula | I didn't install it with SUID |
| 01:48.30 | itchi | atula: Got you an computer for xmass? |
| 01:48.46 | dvs | atula: add yourself to the cdrom group |
| 01:48.48 | itchi | atula: Wait, your not in the cdrom group. |
| 01:48.48 | atula | atula, no. just working! trying to watch a DVD to pass time |
| 01:48.50 | itchi | ? |
| 01:49.04 | atula | I suppose not |
| 01:49.16 | itchi | atula: Add you |
| 01:49.19 | capiira | night |
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| 01:49.30 | kspath | itchi, add yourself |
| 01:49.37 | atula | I am in it |
| 01:49.43 | atula | groups says I am in cdrom group |
| 01:49.50 | itchi | atula: You need to log out and log in back |
| 01:50.01 | dvs | atula: if you just added it |
| 01:50.04 | itchi | atula: ... if you was not yet in it |
| 01:50.07 | itchi | kspath: ;-) |
| 01:50.07 | atula | I didn't add myself |
| 01:50.13 | atula | I was already in it I think |
| 01:50.25 | itchi | woooaa, my english is nice :-) |
| 01:50.59 | enouf | atula: $ cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 01:51.00 | itchi | hhhmm, i should maybe record when i try to talk English :-) |
| 01:51.21 | kspath | itchi, let us not do that but just pretend we did |
| 01:51.49 | atula | enouf, thank you. now I know I do NOT have DVD capability ... |
| 01:51.55 | atula | piece of junk lol |
| 01:51.56 | kiru123123 | itchi: thanks for your warm words :) |
| 01:51.57 | atula | *sigh |
| 01:52.35 | atula | Can read DVD: 0 |
| 01:52.35 | atula | Can write DVD-R: 0 |
| 01:52.35 | atula | Can write DVD-RAM: 0 |
| 01:52.40 | itchi | ow |
| 01:52.47 | itchi | !tell atula -about paste |
| 01:52.53 | atula | I got it I got it |
| 01:53.04 | atula | it's a smaller paste this time lol |
| 01:53.31 | atula | but yeah... that concludes my quest in finding out.... this 12 hour shift will suck giant apes' balls |
| 01:53.39 | atula | 8PM-8AM... yay! |
| 01:53.42 | abrotman | hwinfo |
| 01:53.46 | atula | I will read more about linux! |
| 01:53.48 | atula | !hwinfo |
| 01:53.48 | dpkg | [hwinfo] your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 01:54.12 | atula | well... enjoy your holidays guys |
| 01:54.13 | kspath | atula, being employed tends to beat unemployment and future homelessness |
| 01:54.17 | atula | thanks for the help |
| 01:54.26 | atula | kspath, yeah... I suppose |
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| 02:01.46 | teledyn | hwinfo can cause a system crash |
| 02:02.00 | teledyn | causing the display to scroll... |
| 02:02.24 | abrotman | on a broken system maybe |
| 02:02.43 | teledyn | on my system which otherwise works fine |
| 02:02.56 | teledyn | it causes the screen to scroll endlessly |
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| 02:10.15 | abrotman | teledyn: that's useful data |
| 02:10.31 | itchi | teledyn: You can log stuff to an file too |
| 02:11.55 | teledyn | i will next time |
| 02:12.41 | itchi | teledyn: Just hwinfo all >> hwinfo_logfile (i dunno how it goes with that --log logfile) |
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| 02:21.02 | SkramX | hi all. i setup nfs on a debian server and connect to it, but can only download and not upload to it. i have it set to (rw,insecure) |
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| 02:23.46 | gcbirzan | What happens when you try to write? |
| 02:24.04 | SkramX | i get an error |
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| 02:24.10 | SkramX | one sec |
| 02:24.39 | SkramX | "The operation cannot be completed because you do not have sufficient privileges for some of the items" -- from mac os |
| 02:25.28 | abrotman | maybe it's an OSX problem ? |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | can you write with a Debian client ? |
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| 02:30.27 | Lamperi | Someone still loves you |
| 02:30.47 | SkramX | i dont have any |
| 02:31.07 | SkramX | i mounted locally and i got a permissions error |
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| 02:34.57 | Yggdrasil | hello, I just made a terrible mistake, i rm -rf * on my storeage drive. anyway to bring them back? |
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| 02:35.30 | abrotman | !undelete |
| 02:35.31 | dpkg | undelete is, like, great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 02:35.36 | dvs | Yggdrasil: backups? |
| 02:35.43 | Yggdrasil | no |
| 02:35.50 | Yggdrasil | jnust my home storage |
| 02:36.02 | Yggdrasil | abrotman thanks |
| 02:36.07 | Yggdrasil | and merry christmass |
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| 02:36.35 | boitono | I run a small computer shop and am looking for a trouble ticket system to run on our debian server to handle walk-ins and contract repairs, any suggestions? |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | i doubt it will actually work :) |
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| 02:36.49 | Yggdrasil | abrotman huh ? |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | Yggdrasil: undelete is iffy .. |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | mc i heard words better |
| 02:37.10 | Yggdrasil | its a seperate drive with an ext3 fs |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | boitono: apt-cache search |
| 02:37.50 | abrotman | !info otrs sarge |
| 02:37.58 | abrotman | !info otrs etch |
| 02:38.01 | dpkg | otrs: (Open Ticket Request System), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.2p01-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 899 kB, Installed size: 5988 kB |
| 02:38.05 | abrotman | oh... |
| 02:38.06 | dpkg | otrs: (Open Ticket Request System), section web, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.3p01-4 (etch), Packaged size: 943 kB, Installed size: 6032 kB |
| 02:38.43 | AciD | !info xgl |
| 02:38.52 | hxizan | how we can get the "unix style" font name of a specified font |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian |
| 02:38.58 | hxizan | eg: arial font |
| 02:39.27 | boitono | I am currently looking into OTRS but I don't think it will fit my needs, it there anything else that anyone here has used in the past that is not necessarily part of the debian repository? |
| 02:39.28 | d3bian | !info rtorrent |
| 02:39.35 | dpkg | rtorrent: (ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent), section net, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 320 kB, Installed size: 864 kB |
| 02:40.11 | itchi | Yggdrasil: Look to testdisk (and his tools), theres an article too on debian-admin or an related site |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | boitono: check freshmeat |
| 02:41.18 | abrotman | boitono: and if you find something good .. file an RFP |
| 02:41.22 | itchi | Yggdrasil: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/420 |
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| 02:49.21 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | !flw |
| 02:49.36 | dpkg | from memory, flw32 is <stew> ooops. client just figured out that i mistakenly checked in code that was creating a file named /tmp/fuckyou every time you ran the program |
| 02:49.41 | dvs | Damn! George Bailey lived. I loose that bet every year |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:49.59 | dvs | *lose |
| 02:50.37 | boitono | !flw |
| 02:50.37 | dpkg | somebody said flw12 was <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
| 02:53.13 | dan2 | abrotman: so the cowboys are going to crush the eagles tomorrow right? |
| 02:53.24 | abrotman | don't you hope |
| 02:53.30 | dan2 | abrotman: chicken for christmas dinner ;) |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | chinese eh ? |
| 02:53.39 | dan2 | with Eagle substitue |
| 02:53.42 | dan2 | substitute |
| 02:54.05 | dan2 | abrotman: is wawa open on christmas? |
| 02:54.12 | abrotman | probably |
| 02:54.19 | dvs | wawa? |
| 02:54.25 | dan2 | abrotman: good, I'll have to go pickup a hoagie tomorrow for dinner |
| 02:54.31 | abrotman | dvs: local convenience store chain |
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| 02:54.40 | dan2 | ~wawa |
| 02:54.44 | bkruse_home | hey! |
| 02:54.44 | dvs | abrotman: oh. That's the name of a town up here. |
| 02:54.49 | dan2 | !waw |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | dan2: you, me, and yonkeltron could have a party |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | dvs: here too |
| 02:54.53 | dan2 | !wawa |
| 02:54.58 | bkruse_home | anyone wana test my new asterisk 1.4 or misdn debian builds????? |
| 02:55.01 | dan2 | dpkg is sucking balls today |
| 02:55.03 | dan2 | !wawa |
| 02:55.04 | dan2 | !wawa |
| 02:55.05 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wawa |
| 02:55.09 | dvs | @wawa |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | stop with the bot |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | just use a browser like everyone else |
| 02:55.28 | dan2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wawa_Food_Markets |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | mine was to show the PA town too |
| 02:55.53 | dvs | Hey! Second entry! |
| 02:56.06 | bkruse_home | anyone wana test my new asterisk 1.4 or misdn debian builds????? |
| 02:56.08 | dvs | oh sh*t third entry too |
| 02:56.23 | dvs | that's funny |
| 02:56.47 | dan2 | abrotman: wawa is good |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | sheetz is better |
| 02:57.02 | abrotman | dan2: how long til graduation ? |
| 02:57.09 | abrotman | May? |
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| 02:57.16 | dan2 | abrotman: May after May |
| 02:57.21 | bkruse_home | markw: hello! |
| 02:57.24 | abrotman | you're only a junior ? |
| 02:57.26 | dan2 | yes |
| 02:57.30 | abrotman | FFS ... did you take your SATs yet? |
| 02:57.34 | abrotman | or ACTs ? |
| 02:57.34 | dan2 | no |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | better get on that :) |
| 02:57.42 | bkruse_home | dan2: are you a developer? |
| 02:57.46 | dan2 | of what? |
| 02:57.55 | abrotman | photos! |
| 02:58.02 | bkruse_home | dan2: anything!!!!!! :D |
| 02:58.12 | dan2 | I design VoIP software |
| 02:58.20 | bkruse_home | oh rly...... |
| 02:58.33 | dan2 | !tell bkruse_home about aolbonics |
| 02:58.33 | bkruse_home | lies!! |
| 02:58.34 | abrotman | really |
| 02:58.42 | bkruse_home | i just kid |
| 02:58.51 | bkruse_home | are you part of the pkg-voip maintainers? |
| 02:58.58 | dan2 | I think I am |
| 02:59.03 | bkruse_home | good! |
| 02:59.04 | dan2 | at least I used to be |
| 02:59.04 | bkruse_home | so i suppose you have heard of asterisk then |
| 02:59.08 | dan2 | asterisk is garbage |
| 02:59.23 | bkruse_home | what do you use |
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| 02:59.30 | dan2 | bkruse_home: I write my own software |
| 02:59.31 | bkruse_home | and in what language do you program it |
| 02:59.39 | bkruse_home | using any protocols? none/ |
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| 02:59.41 | bkruse_home | what language/ |
| 02:59.42 | dan2 | C,C++,Python, and Java for VoIP |
| 02:59.47 | dan2 | SIP and RTP mostly |
| 02:59.52 | bkruse_home | figures |
| 02:59.59 | bkruse_home | java for a real implementation |
| 03:00.00 | bkruse_home | bleh! |
| 03:00.06 | bkruse_home | c++, now thats what im talking about |
| 03:00.10 | bkruse_home | and or C |
| 03:00.13 | dan2 | bkruse_home: we just hit a major obstacle today with using java for a server |
| 03:00.17 | blackelf | C is for retards |
| 03:00.26 | dan2 | it couldn't handle the load |
| 03:00.26 | bkruse_home | C is for people that can really program |
| 03:00.30 | blackelf | or rather, C is for writting crashable and buggy programs |
| 03:00.32 | bkruse_home | c++ is for people that are smarter than them |
| 03:00.39 | dan2 | bkruse_home: you're a moron |
| 03:00.41 | blackelf | C is for people that like to waste time |
| 03:00.47 | bkruse_home | dan2: im only kidding geez haha |
| 03:01.02 | bkruse_home | even though i dont agree with a real program being written fully in java |
| 03:01.03 | dan2 | abrotman: was that well said or what? |
| 03:01.04 | bkruse_home | eww |
| 03:01.16 | bkruse_home | dan2: so your 15? |
| 03:01.20 | dan2 | 16 |
| 03:01.25 | bkruse_home | thats nice |
| 03:01.27 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:01.39 | bkruse_home | python and java are fun languages though |
| 03:01.51 | bkruse_home | i think python is way better though |
| 03:01.53 | dvs | bkruse_home: fun to play with |
| 03:01.59 | dan2 | bkruse_home: you talk like a drunken idiot |
| 03:02.01 | bkruse_home | dvs: exactly |
| 03:02.10 | bkruse_home | dan2: back yourself up |
| 03:02.13 | bkruse_home | :D |
| 03:02.21 | dan2 | I have checks that I receive monthly |
| 03:02.23 | dan2 | enough proof |
| 03:02.31 | bkruse_home | oh, your one of those....... |
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| 03:02.46 | dan2 | abrotman: you seen asg? |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | he's aorund |
| 03:03.02 | dan2 | abrotman: I couldn't imagine him being much of a holiday kind of guy |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | dan2: there's a better saying for C++ |
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| 03:03.51 | abrotman | "In C++ it's harder to shoot yourself in the foot, but when you do, you blow off your whole leg." — Bjarne Stroustrup. |
| 03:04.01 | dan2 | that is good |
| 03:04.03 | dvs | yup |
| 03:04.23 | dvs | What does Bjarne know about C++? ;-) |
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| 03:05.10 | dan2 | "Java is like footed pajamas... Inescapable pain" |
| 03:06.09 | dvs | heh |
| 03:06.20 | dan2 | ~stroustrup is also "In C++ it's harder to shoot yourself in the foot, but when you do, you blow off your whole leg." |
| 03:06.22 | apt | okay, dan2 |
| 03:06.38 | dvs | at least one bot is working |
| 03:06.48 | abrotman | the other is fine |
| 03:06.51 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:06.51 | dpkg | i guess qotd91 is <tarmath> I've got 2 incredibly easy questions! Anyone can answer, and thus feel better that they could be of help to someone! |
| 03:07.09 | dan2 | that's a really dumb quote |
| 03:07.11 | dan2 | !qotd |
| 03:07.16 | dan2 | !qotd0 |
| 03:07.19 | abrotman | that's a really dumb user |
| 03:07.22 | dan2 | am I like blocked from dpkg? |
| 03:07.22 | dvs | see? |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | dan2: probably .. you abuse it every time you're here :) |
| 03:07.39 | dan2 | hardly |
| 03:07.44 | dan2 | ~whack abrotman |
| 03:07.45 | apt | ACTION whacks abrotman upside the head. |
| 03:07.49 | dvs | "The bot does not wish to speak to you" |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | fill it full of useless crap .. change all kinds of factoids ... |
| 03:08.12 | linux_jones | alot of xmas gift questions? |
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| 03:09.48 | dan2 | abrotman: I haven't seen Leimy around lately... did you visit him when he came by? |
| 03:09.52 | linux_jones | well im about to start it, i got this sandisk mp3 player, and i have sarge, the mp3 player screen says its connected, how do i get to it on my laptop? |
| 03:10.06 | abrotman | dan2: he never made it here |
| 03:10.15 | dan2 | abrotman: what happened? |
| 03:10.22 | dvs | linux_jones: it's like a USB drive |
| 03:10.37 | abrotman | dan2: almost died ... |
| 03:10.48 | dan2 | huh? |
| 03:10.50 | abrotman | hrm .. wonder if he's back for xmas |
| 03:10.54 | linux_jones | dvs yes |
| 03:11.04 | dan2 | abrotman: what the hell happened? |
| 03:11.08 | abrotman | he got sick |
| 03:11.14 | dan2 | aye |
| 03:11.22 | dan2 | abrotman: pneumonia? |
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| 03:11.39 | abrotman | dunno .. got sick |
| 03:11.40 | linux_jones | any thoughts? |
| 03:11.58 | dan2 | how is that almost died, abrotman? |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | super high temperature |
| 03:12.16 | dan2 | aye |
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| 03:12.29 | dan2 | abrotman: he alright? |
| 03:12.39 | abrotman | dunno . haven't talked to him in a few weeks |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | i'll probably talk to him tomorrow |
| 03:13.17 | dan2 | k |
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| 03:14.06 | aalex | hi all |
| 03:14.23 | aalex | anyone succeded in using photoshop on debian with wine ? |
| 03:14.36 | liable | linux_jones: whats dmesg say about it? |
| 03:14.37 | aalex | (i feel like putting a stain on my all-free setup...) |
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| 03:16.45 | sgeigerb` | What do the letters in CCISS mean? |
| 03:17.00 | abrotman | aalex: ask #winehq |
| 03:17.09 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: acronymfinder.com |
| 03:17.48 | linux_jones | liable it says is not claimed by any active driver |
| 03:17.57 | itchi | aalex: Use an alternative -> gimp |
| 03:18.08 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: Hmm. That site was no help. |
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| 03:18.24 | dvs | linux_jones: modprobe sd_mod |
| 03:18.25 | liable | linux_jones: does it have somw sort of lock on it? whats google say about the model and linux? |
| 03:18.34 | aalex | itchi, of course. but i always feel a bit handicaped with gimp |
| 03:18.52 | itchi | aalex: Learn to use it like you did with photoshop |
| 03:19.04 | zinx | itchi: OMG CHANGE |
| 03:19.07 | zinx | itchi: OMG NO CHANGE IS BAD |
| 03:19.09 | aalex | itchi, i am quite good with gimp |
| 03:19.09 | linux_jones | dvs now what? |
| 03:19.23 | dvs | linux_jones: any error messages? |
| 03:19.33 | itchi | zinx: Also drunken?? |
| 03:19.36 | linux_jones | dvs nopw |
| 03:19.39 | linux_jones | nope even |
| 03:19.42 | zinx | itchi: no |
| 03:19.48 | dvs | linux2: fdisk -l |
| 03:19.51 | itchi | zinx: What are you trying to tell then? |
| 03:19.52 | dvs | linux_jones: : fdisk -l |
| 03:19.57 | aalex | itchi, for instance : i designed this with 100% free soft : http://www.lateresto.org/en |
| 03:19.57 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: where did you read it ? |
| 03:20.01 | zinx | itchi: that people don't like change, even if they say that's not the reason ;) |
| 03:20.06 | aalex | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:20.15 | linux_jones | dvs and then? |
| 03:20.18 | itchi | aalex: wtf are you talking about? |
| 03:20.32 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: It has to do with Compaq raid array controller devices. |
| 03:20.33 | dvs | linux_jones: it should show you where the player is |
| 03:20.41 | aalex | itchi, oh, just about gimp |
| 03:20.42 | abrotman | isn't that CCIS ? |
| 03:20.54 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: google "compaq cciss" |
| 03:20.58 | linux_jones | fdisk -l should show me where it is? |
| 03:21.18 | itchi | aalex: oeps, not you sorry, i mean zinx |
| 03:21.24 | sgeigerb` | abrotman: I have--that's why I've been forced to ask here. |
| 03:21.29 | itchi | zinx: wtf are you talking about? |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | ask #hardware maybe ? |
| 03:21.40 | linux_jones | dvs fdisk -l should show me where it is? |
| 03:22.09 | abrotman | it's probably just a stupid codename |
| 03:22.12 | dvs | linux_jones: if it's plugged in, yes |
| 03:22.22 | linux_jones | dvs it didnt do anything |
| 03:22.45 | linux_jones | dvs it lust dropped me back at the prompt |
| 03:23.04 | abrotman | !sing blame canada |
| 03:23.05 | dpkg | blame canada, blame canada, it seems that everythings gone wrong since canada came along, blame canada, blame canada, they're not even a real country, anyway |
| 03:23.16 | abrotman | sgeigerb`: i bet it doesn't really mean anything |
| 03:23.35 | dvs | linux_jones: you have to be root to see it |
| 03:23.43 | linux_jones | i am |
| 03:23.49 | linux_jones | dvs i am |
| 03:24.01 | dvs | linux_jones: it shows up for me |
| 03:24.13 | linux_user400354 | why would someone do make oldconfig and then run make menuconfig. are they using an old config or making a new one? |
| 03:24.24 | itchi | aalex: btw, there's gimpshop, that have an many more look & and feel as Photoshop |
| 03:24.48 | elshaa | any idea what could limit the scp transfer speed ? I'm stuck at 100KB/s with en rj45 connexion... |
| 03:24.48 | abrotman | both |
| 03:25.49 | aalex | itchi, yeah, i saw that. Very interesting. There was no debian package last time i looked at it. Is it out yet ? |
| 03:26.31 | itchi | aalex: Looks like not |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | elshaa: slow cpu |
| 03:27.14 | itchi | aalex: But i think there is an patch you an apply on it |
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| 03:28.33 | abrotman | i'm old |
| 03:28.39 | elshaa | abrotman: not that slow :) 1.7GHz |
| 03:28.45 | linux_jones | how do i check partitions? |
| 03:28.55 | abrotman | elshaa: how do you live at that speed ? |
| 03:29.00 | abrotman | fdisk -l <device> |
| 03:29.11 | Azar | merry christmas honorables |
| 03:29.34 | dvs | Azar: hey. I still have 90 minutes to go! |
| 03:29.47 | Azar | dvs, I might be asleep by then |
| 03:30.06 | elshaa | abrotman: what do you mean "how do you live" ? |
| 03:30.06 | itchi | aalex: At least, if you feel it, you can try to make an deb package of it :-) |
| 03:30.19 | abrotman | all the cool kids are up to 7Ghz |
| 03:30.29 | abrotman | elshaa: are your NICs at full duplex ? |
| 03:30.30 | linux_jones | abrotman, what if i dont know the device? |
| 03:30.41 | itchi | Azar: Merry christmas ;-) |
| 03:30.46 | elshaa | strange thing is that it's stuck at 100KB/s in the beginning (some MB), and then starts beeing fast |
| 03:31.00 | Azar | :) |
| 03:31.32 | itchi | elshaa: First little files? |
| 03:31.36 | Azar | linux_jones: if you refer to your hard drive it might be hda or sda check your fstab |
| 03:31.47 | itchi | elshaa: If you try with one big file, what happend? |
| 03:32.18 | elshaa | abrotman: how can I see if it's full duplex ? ifconfig doesn't show it. |
| 03:32.24 | elshaa | itchi: same |
| 03:32.37 | elshaa | itchi: slow at the beginning, fast after some MB |
| 03:32.38 | linux_jones | im trying to find this newfangled mp3 thing |
| 03:32.52 | abrotman | ethtool or mii-tool |
| 03:33.36 | elshaa | abrotman: then, yes, full duplex for both computers |
| 03:33.44 | Azar | 2.6.20 is buggy ( duh ) |
| 03:33.58 | abrotman | 100Mb too ? |
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| 03:35.08 | elshaa | abrotman: yep |
| 03:35.18 | abrotman | elshaa: what's the speed ? |
| 03:35.26 | abrotman | MB or Mb ? |
| 03:35.58 | elshaa | abrotman: around 80 and 200KB/s for the firsts MB, and then, full speed (8-10MB/s) until the end. |
| 03:36.11 | elshaa | does MB = Mo ? |
| 03:36.43 | abrotman | 80Mb/sec ? |
| 03:36.48 | linux_jones | there are people that say that this mp3 player works under linux, but not for me |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | how much faster would you like it to go ? |
| 03:37.21 | liable | linux_jones: paste the dmesg bit on a pastebot |
| 03:37.22 | elshaa | abrotman: did I wrote 80Mb ? |
| 03:37.37 | abrotman | you wrote 10MB |
| 03:37.44 | abrotman | which is 80Mb |
| 03:37.57 | elshaa | ok. then I mean 10Mb |
| 03:38.32 | itchi | elshaa: In french, yes |
| 03:38.46 | elshaa | yea, confused about b and B |
| 03:38.53 | Azar | itchi, no, in french "ouin" |
| 03:38.57 | linux_jones | liable, it assigns it an address and then says its not calimed by any active driver |
| 03:39.02 | tuv | abrotman, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404447 |
| 03:39.02 | abrotman | elshaa: are you sure? |
| 03:39.09 | abrotman | tuv: yours ? |
| 03:39.29 | abrotman | only important ? |
| 03:39.32 | tuv | abrotman, yup.. my xmas gift to debian :) |
| 03:39.35 | abrotman | hhe |
| 03:39.40 | abrotman | upgrade to RC! |
| 03:39.48 | abrotman | package useless .. causes data loss! |
| 03:40.13 | tuv | abrotman, how do i upgrade? resubmit a follow up? |
| 03:40.24 | abrotman | you could |
| 03:40.38 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org lists reasons to be RC and how to change status |
| 03:40.39 | tuv | abrotman, well i thought this is not the case for everyone, otherwise i'd have heard about it somewhere |
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| 03:40.54 | abrotman | tuv: not a lot of people use ARM for nfs :) |
| 03:41.04 | linux_jones | what usb modules do i need for usb storage? |
| 03:41.13 | abrotman | tuv: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 03:41.20 | elshaa | abrotman: yes, I'm sure, all the transferts I did until now behave like that |
| 03:41.27 | abrotman | tuv: i guess grave is better ? |
| 03:41.39 | dvs | !tell linux_jones -about usb storage |
| 03:41.40 | tuv | abrotman, i chose 'important' based on 'reportbug's description |
| 03:41.52 | tuv | abrotman, if you say so.. grave it is |
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| 03:42.05 | abrotman | tuv: i made you do it~! |
| 03:42.20 | JdGordon | to try out debian 4.0 do i do the network install cd from 3.1 and then just chnage the apt repo once thats finished? |
| 03:42.22 | abrotman | tuv: it's a tossup ..y ou could ask a DD |
| 03:42.28 | abrotman | tuv: let's wake one up! |
| 03:43.01 | dvs | JdGordon: I'd use an etch rc1 netinstall CD |
| 03:43.02 | abrotman | see .. this is why time stamps are useful in irc ... |
| 03:43.18 | abrotman | haven't seen one in a while |
| 03:43.20 | JdGordon | dvs: I coulnt find a url for it |
| 03:43.27 | abrotman | last i saw was Ganeff on OFTC |
| 03:43.34 | dvs | !topicsmite JdGordon |
| 03:43.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon JdGordon. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:43.40 | abrotman | erm .. ganneff .. whatever |
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| 03:44.11 | abrotman | tuv: dunno .. it causes data loss .. sounds grave to me |
| 03:44.18 | linux_jones | dvs, do i need to disconnect and reconnect the device after i start usb-storage |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | tuv: let's get a second opinion from a canadian ... |
| 03:44.30 | dvs | linux_jones: no |
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| 03:45.02 | linux_jones | dvs should i check dmesg again? |
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| 03:45.14 | dvs | linux_jones: go ahead |
| 03:45.51 | abrotman | hrm .. they aren't biting today |
| 03:45.55 | linux_jones | dvs, still nothing |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | tuv: data loss is data loss .. until they can prove you're the only one .. why not ? |
| 03:46.30 | tuv | abrotman, were you looking for penguins?! |
| 03:46.39 | abrotman | they don't live up north |
| 03:47.04 | abrotman | elshaa: any thing else running on either box? |
| 03:47.14 | abrotman | elshaa: if you use wget via http .. how fast does it go ? |
| 03:47.41 | linux_jones | so does that mean im pretty much screwed? |
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| 03:49.33 | itchi | linux_jones: Put it in an look to cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:50.07 | dvs | itchi: that only works if it's mounted |
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| 03:50.39 | itchi | dvs: When it's plugged, not mounted?? |
| 03:50.50 | abrotman | tuv: are you really canadian? |
| 03:50.58 | tuv | no |
| 03:51.11 | tuv | abrotman, i'm from saudi arabia |
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| 03:51.19 | linux_jones | itchi and im looking for anythng thats not ide? |
| 03:51.22 | Azar | uh? Adept? new package manager in Etch? |
| 03:51.24 | resistance | hey guys, merry christmas |
| 03:51.35 | abrotman | tuv: your email addy though ... |
| 03:51.50 | tuv | abrotman, i'm in canada now.. doing my masters |
| 03:51.59 | dvs | !pity tuv |
| 03:51.59 | dpkg | I pity da fool tuv! |
| 03:52.00 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 03:52.09 | resistance | is it possible to have 2 video cards in one computer and hook up 2 monitors to it with debian |
| 03:52.11 | abrotman | tuv: at least you didn't put the reason as "abrotman said so" |
| 03:52.15 | linux_jones | im glad |
| 03:52.17 | itchi | linux_jones: No just look if you have some more partitions |
| 03:52.39 | tuv | abrotman, is that what a canadian would do?! |
| 03:52.40 | abrotman | gravity: do you pay attention to bug severity levels ? |
| 03:52.51 | abrotman | tuv: probably .. they're sneaky bastards |
| 03:52.51 | linux_jones | itchi, nope |
| 03:52.52 | gravity | abrotman: Yes |
| 03:52.53 | itchi | resistance: Sure |
| 03:52.58 | gravity | abrotman: I'm very lazy about them though |
| 03:53.08 | abrotman | gravity: does data loss via nfs-kernel-server sound grave or important ? |
| 03:53.09 | resistance | itchi, must i do anything special? |
| 03:53.18 | abrotman | (assumed to be nfs-kernel-server at this point) |
| 03:53.21 | gravity | abrotman: Data loss counts as grave |
| 03:53.35 | abrotman | tuv: see .. i'm not a stupid american! |
| 03:53.37 | gravity | abrotman: If it's not, the maintainer will knock it down. You can put a note in the report saying you weren't 100% certain |
| 03:53.38 | tuv | abrotman, severity of the bug is still shown as important |
| 03:53.45 | Azar | hmm this guy installed Etch and tells his story (with images) about it.. I must say, some people actually only want to have the mswindows images/screen/icons.. wtf they moved to Debian/Linux? |
| 03:53.57 | itchi | resistance: Yes, there's an good howto on tldp about it |
| 03:54.00 | abrotman | tuv: did you do it wrong ? |
| 03:54.01 | gravity | The XSF has special qualifications for bug severities though |
| 03:54.06 | gravity | So that package might as well |
| 03:54.15 | Azar | http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8143350649.html |
| 03:54.23 | tuv | abrotman, do what wrong? you can see the report |
| 03:54.52 | Azar | that guy managed to have his own christmas tree as a desktop |
| 03:54.52 | gravity | God... is that Steven J Vaugh Fuckjob again? |
| 03:54.57 | gravity | No, mercifully. |
| 03:55.04 | abrotman | tuv: i think you have to send to control@bugs.debian.org |
| 03:55.29 | itchi | resistance: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html |
| 03:55.33 | Azar | no but you catch what I mean gravity? |
| 03:55.57 | Azar | I freanking abandoned mswin because I wanted something "ELSE".. so I have chosen Debian |
| 03:56.41 | itchi | Azar: You have not heard about 'acu' user that was here the last day |
| 03:56.44 | abrotman | tuv: severity bug# <severity level> |
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| 03:56.57 | gravity | Azar: Well, windows is familiar and comforting to a lot of people |
| 03:57.00 | Azar | itchi: no, what up with him? |
| 03:57.10 | tuv | abrotman, yup.. just found it :) |
| 03:57.15 | abrotman | tuv: that being the body of the email .. subject is unused |
| 03:57.17 | retypepassword | Azar: If you ever have problems with M$ Windoze, all you have to do is boot into safe mode, open a command prompt window, and type format C: |
| 03:57.17 | abrotman | tuv: okay |
| 03:57.26 | linux_jones | can anyone help me? |
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| 03:57.38 | abrotman | !help linux_jones |
| 03:57.43 | abrotman | it was worth a shot |
| 03:57.46 | Azar | gravity: you are right, alas Debian will never be .. Debian |
| 03:57.46 | linux_jones | haha |
| 03:57.52 | Octalthorpe | Does anybody know of a good Linux RAW *viewer*? (E.g., that I can use to quickly scan through RAW images on a card?) |
| 03:57.53 | itchi | Azar: He got some sad experiences, with all things he got troubles, he was too loosed |
| 03:57.57 | gravity | Azar: This guy is a tool though. |
| 03:57.57 | Octalthorpe | I adore qiv, but it doesn't support RAW. :( |
| 03:57.59 | Azar | retypepassword: I put that win box in the trash |
| 03:58.08 | abrotman | Octalthorpe: i've seen a few |
| 03:58.11 | Octalthorpe | (Pentax RAW, for what it's worth.) |
| 03:58.19 | liable | ufraw? |
| 03:58.29 | itchi | oKtosiTe: vlc? |
| 03:58.32 | abrotman | now if only i could remember the name ... |
| 03:58.37 | abrotman | !fix itchi |
| 03:58.38 | itchi | oeps |
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| 03:58.43 | Azar | itchi: because people like that one should understand that Debian is NOT win |
| 03:58.47 | Octalthorpe | liable : That's not actually a viewer. :/ |
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| 03:59.34 | gravity | Yeah... I keep noticing DesktopLinux.com and Stephen Von Fuckjob's LinuxWatch.com both slamming Debian pretty consistently |
| 03:59.37 | abrotman | oh .. i think i was messing with rawstudio |
| 03:59.58 | Octalthorpe | I'll give that a shot. |
| 04:00.01 | abrotman | gravity: but osnews loves us! |
| 04:00.06 | gravity | abrotman: Do they? |
| 04:00.10 | Azar | one thing I wish NOT to hear from the new heads of Debian Dev: "we know what customers need" that will kill it all |
| 04:00.13 | gravity | I don't read osnews |
| 04:00.22 | abrotman | they seem to have favorable reviews .. usually end up slashdot .. ask Azar :) |
| 04:00.27 | Azar | osnews my fav site |
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| 04:00.48 | abrotman | see :) |
| 04:00.49 | Azar | haha abrotman, slashdot steals from osnews |
| 04:01.04 | linux_jones | can i share a liux folder so i can get to it from my windows box to put my music on it that way |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | yes .. samba |
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| 04:01.46 | Azar | well lxer too |
| 04:02.06 | linux_jones | is samba tough to set up? |
| 04:02.09 | gravity | Fuck lxer |
| 04:02.16 | abrotman | gravity: and honestly .. i wouldn't expect DesktopLinux to have favorable reviews of debian |
| 04:02.21 | Cyis | need to come up with a cross-platform way to share music without needing samba... maybe something that announces via mdns |
| 04:02.24 | abrotman | they're the type that uses mandriva |
| 04:02.27 | gravity | abrotman: No |
| 04:02.34 | abrotman | no they aren't ? |
| 04:02.35 | Octalthorpe | rawstudio seems unwiling to open my files. o_O |
| 04:02.37 | abrotman | they use something else ? |
| 04:02.44 | abrotman | Octalthorpe: did you install it ? |
| 04:02.45 | gravity | abrotman: Pretty much anyone who claims to be for the desktop hates Debian on principle, if not on actual fact |
| 04:02.53 | Octalthorpe | abrotman : Ha ha, yes. |
| 04:02.56 | abrotman | hey .. someone packaged it! |
| 04:03.13 | abrotman | gravity: right .. that's what i'm saying |
| 04:03.20 | gravity | yep |
| 04:03.21 | Cyis | true... those that are big on desktop always tend to lean towards fedora, redhat and the likes |
| 04:03.26 | Azar | abrotman: I guess this is old story for you http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39285208,00.htm |
| 04:03.31 | abrotman | gravity: not enough shiny things |
| 04:03.41 | Cyis | abrotman: packaged what? |
| 04:03.47 | abrotman | Cyis: rawstudio |
| 04:04.00 | abrotman | Azar: yeah .. |
| 04:04.10 | gravity | <old man>Back in my day, the point was to learn more about your system, so moving off the training wheels distros was considered a good thing.</old man> |
| 04:04.13 | tuv | debian does not show its advantages for 'test/trial' usecases. it's time that shows debian's superiority |
| 04:04.20 | Azar | because desktoplinux is about: windows eyecandy... and gadgets. Debian is much more than that |
| 04:04.22 | Octalthorpe | Man. |
| 04:04.26 | gravity | Although, to be fair, lots of ubuntu people do come to debian to learn more, which is nice |
| 04:04.28 | Octalthorpe | rawstudio discriminates by extension. |
| 04:04.38 | abrotman | change it! |
| 04:04.40 | Cyis | well my boss asked me if the article he read last Thursday about Debian being delayed because of disgruntled developers over dunc tank was true... being as I'm the token DD in our office |
| 04:04.42 | abrotman | the extension |
| 04:04.54 | tuv | so i think it makes sesne that trying debian as a desktop wouldn't result in an appealing conclusion |
| 04:05.31 | Cyis | abrotman: good list I hope :) |
| 04:05.31 | Azar | Cyis: I would say so story is few months old , true and strong |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | tuv: i use it for my desktop |
| 04:05.31 | abrotman | Cyis: multipurpose |
| 04:05.33 | tuv | abrotman, me too. but it takes time to prove competitive |
| 04:05.44 | Cyis | nice thing is the company builds their software on Linux and have picked Debian as their distro to base their work on... |
| 04:05.52 | Azar | methinks I will stick with Sarge for at least one year |
| 04:05.53 | abrotman | Azar: the story you jsut showed me is from tuesday |
| 04:05.59 | Azar | maybe forever |
| 04:06.00 | tuv | abrotman, for someone who is not willing to try debian long enough, there is a small chance he will settle on debian |
| 04:06.08 | Cyis | pretty much if it runs on any other distro that's good but we aren't doing anything to make ti work on anything but Debian |
| 04:06.20 | Azar | abrotman: yes, you weren't here on tuesday so I just showed it to liable |
| 04:06.24 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:06.38 | Azar | navigate the links and find more eggs |
| 04:07.01 | Cyis | I switched to Debian from Slackware in the mid- to late-90's... became a DD in '01... Before Slackware I ran SLS |
| 04:07.07 | abrotman | yay .. Boom Boom! |
| 04:07.37 | Cyis | I ran Fedora Core for the past year because my consulting client ran it and I needed to support them... but I've switched back |
| 04:07.48 | kgoetz | Cyis: wb ;) |
| 04:07.51 | abrotman | Cyis: that's what qemu is for :) |
| 04:08.13 | Cyis | kgoetz: Well I only ran Fedora on one of my machines... I ran a dozen Debian systems in the 7' rack :) |
| 04:08.22 | kgoetz | *grin* |
| 04:08.37 | Cyis | abrotman: Being on the Xen packaging team ... can guess my choice of virtualization |
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| 04:08.51 | abrotman | Cyis: okay .. fine .. that works too |
| 04:08.56 | tuv | Cyis, what do you think are debian's advantages over fedora? i've a friend who is convinced that debian is no better than fedora, if fedora isn't better and i haven't used fedora myself |
| 04:09.05 | Azar | wow santa just dropped down the chimney something for me... a coffeemaker! wow |
| 04:09.17 | abrotman | Azar: did he bring coffee to put in it ? |
| 04:09.25 | Ronin | tuv: if fedora works for them and they like it leave them be |
| 04:09.30 | abrotman | tuv: did you send the update bug ? |
| 04:09.33 | Azar | abrotman: I have coffee, only my old coffeemaker was broken |
| 04:09.34 | abrotman | upgrade mail :) |
| 04:09.36 | Cyis | In my house I have two Alphas, four PA-RISC, one dead PowerPC and countless x86 and x86_64 (amd64) systems... 1 windows xp box for the wife |
| 04:09.36 | tuv | abrotman, yup |
| 04:09.50 | abrotman | Cyis: get a new wife ... jeez |
| 04:09.54 | tuv | Ronin, well if fedora is better in some way, it maybe worth giving a shot |
| 04:10.06 | Cyis | abrotman: She says she'd switch but that I haven't had time to teach her |
| 04:10.09 | abrotman | tuv: it releases more often |
| 04:10.12 | tuv | abrotman, :D |
| 04:10.13 | abrotman | Cyis: xpde! |
| 04:10.18 | abrotman | tuv: for some that matters |
| 04:10.21 | kgoetz | Cyis: nice collection. i'll take you on though ;) (cept mine mostly are os less) |
| 04:10.21 | Cyis | although she wants a Mac PowerBook and she'll get rid of Windows |
| 04:10.31 | gravity | Cyis is older school than me |
| 04:10.43 | abrotman | tuv: from what i can tell .. they care less about stabilizing (such as releasing with gnome 2.16 the day after it releases) |
| 04:10.56 | abrotman | gravity: you're younger than me |
| 04:10.58 | Cyis | kgoetz: Had an SGI 02 running Debian on my cubicle at my last job back in Cali but they wouldn't let me take it when I left |
| 04:11.01 | gravity | word |
| 04:11.16 | kgoetz | Cyis: aw, that would have been cool. |
| 04:11.26 | abrotman | i'd guess Cyis is a bit older than me :) |
| 04:11.41 | abrotman | i sold me Indigo2 |
| 04:11.43 | gravity | Ah, I recognize Cyis's name |
| 04:11.43 | abrotman | my |
| 04:11.44 | Cyis | tuv: Just switching from FC6 back to Etch... |
| 04:11.45 | kgoetz | Cyis: i'v got 2 alphas, 4 sparcstations, 2 sunblades, half a dozen old world macs, and a few otehr bits and pieces |
| 04:11.52 | Cyis | abrotman: 32 next month |
| 04:12.00 | abrotman | Cyis: i turned 30 in october :) |
| 04:12.07 | Cyis | gravity: I've been around... off IRC for a few though |
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| 04:12.14 | Cyis | used to be an IRCop on DALnet |
| 04:12.18 | gravity | Ah |
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| 04:12.24 | Cyis | I've used Cyis since '96 |
| 04:12.46 | Cyis | started runnin linux with the 0.99 kernel back in late '93 |
| 04:13.10 | Cyis | only windows workstation I've worked from was for the 4 months I was with my last job |
| 04:13.17 | abrotman | gravity: you were like 12 then :) |
| 04:13.25 | Cyis | hehe |
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| 04:13.47 | Cyis | tuv: I don't like that etch is still using pmount for g-v-m rather than gnome-mount like FC6 does... |
| 04:13.54 | gravity | 16 |
| 04:13.59 | gravity | Or 15 |
| 04:14.11 | gravity | My friend had just gotten his slack CD set at that point then |
| 04:14.12 | Cyis | Although FC6 has a bug in udev rules that doesn't play nice with LUKS encrypted removable drives |
| 04:14.29 | Cyis | Etch handled my LUKS removable drives without problem albeit with pmount |
| 04:14.38 | gravity | Sadly, he gave me my first distro cd (LinxPPC) but doesn't use linux himself any more |
| 04:14.39 | linux_jones | so i thought i would just burn a cd and then take it to my windows computer, but then i realized that linux only recognises it as a cd drive not a cdrw |
| 04:15.10 | tuv | Cyis, well this is a result of debian's policy of reviewing almost everything before releasing, which takes time and delays stuff. so the question is: which policy did you find better? |
| 04:15.28 | abrotman | Cyis: do you maintain anything anymore ? |
| 04:15.41 | Cyis | tuv: for a long term stable Linux platform... I'll pick Debian any day |
| 04:15.53 | tuv | Cyis, desktop? |
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| 04:16.23 | kgoetz | tuv: some people like stable desktops ;) |
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| 04:16.26 | abrotman | i am getting old .. |
| 04:16.31 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah I've been behind on my packages because of work schedules & moving cross-country... I'll be updating lots of stuff after I get back home |
| 04:16.41 | gravity | Aren't we all? |
| 04:16.42 | Azar | linux_jones: bull, I have cdrw and it was recognized |
| 04:16.51 | Cyis | tuv: Well for most of what I do it's server based, usually headless... |
| 04:16.52 | abrotman | gravity: getting old .. or behidn on our packages ? |
| 04:17.01 | Cyis | I don't like that Fedora strips out anything MPEG |
| 04:17.11 | Cyis | can't play MP3's unless you go get source and rebuild |
| 04:17.17 | gravity | abrotman: Both |
| 04:17.19 | tuv | abrotman, i'm getting suspicious that i did something wrong. severity hasn't been updated yet. did i need to do anything besides 'severity 404447 grave' to 'control@bugs.debian.org'? |
| 04:17.22 | linux_jones | Azar, how do i erasse a cd in kde? |
| 04:17.29 | abrotman | tuv: did you mistype the bug# ? |
| 04:17.43 | tuv | abrotman, no. the number without #, right? |
| 04:17.49 | abrotman | afaik .. yes |
| 04:17.49 | Cyis | abrotman: and as I said my employer uses Debian so I get to work on Debian for them and get paid :) |
| 04:17.59 | abrotman | Cyis: that's awful nice of them |
| 04:18.00 | gravity | tuv: Did you get a response back yet? |
| 04:18.01 | tuv | abrotman, i copy-pasted it :) |
| 04:18.04 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 04:18.06 | gravity | tuv: The BTS can be insanely slow |
| 04:18.13 | abrotman | gravity: it doesn't copy the original submitter does it ? |
| 04:18.22 | abrotman | oh wait .. still get a conf |
| 04:18.25 | tuv | abrotman, ok.. it's updated now |
| 04:18.27 | Cyis | abrotman: isn't it though... they actually want me to put together a KSP after the holidays... they all want their key signed by a DD :) |
| 04:18.31 | nima | Is it possible to map a keyboard key to a mouse button? |
| 04:18.31 | gravity | abrotman: What? Processing the bug? I don't think so |
| 04:18.43 | abrotman | gravity: oh .. ok |
| 04:19.00 | abrotman | Cyis: dorks .. the lot of them! |
| 04:19.11 | Azar | linux_jones: I never used a desktop... |
| 04:19.20 | tuv | kgoetz, all people like stable desktops until they realize they have to choose between stable and recent. they then choose recent and next thing you know is linux sucks |
| 04:19.33 | linux_jones | can anyone tell me how to erase a cd using kde? |
| 04:19.35 | abrotman | tuv: i use testing .. stable enough . .new enough |
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| 04:19.43 | abrotman | linux_jones: k3b .. |
| 04:19.46 | kgoetz | tuv: i find testing stable enough, but i'm not normal ;) |
| 04:19.50 | abrotman | and that's all i know about k3b :) |
| 04:20.05 | tuv | abrotman, that's where i'm at, and has been for 3 years now. just wondering how fedora has been doing |
| 04:20.22 | abrotman | tuv: xen/qemu! |
| 04:20.38 | abrotman | i don't recommend elive in qemu (unless kqemu makes it htat much faster) |
| 04:20.39 | Azar | I have etch installed since July and looks, feels as stable as Sarge, but then again.. no desktop |
| 04:21.02 | tuv | abrotman, it doesn't show unless it's used for a few weeks, IMHO |
| 04:21.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:21.15 | Cyis | yeah I tend to always follow the testing distro on Debian... stable enough for everyday use |
| 04:21.35 | Azar | maybe I am wrong, but I sense that the bloating desktops bring in a plethora of bugs |
| 04:21.42 | abrotman | tuv: the crummy thing is that the DD responsible for htat package is usually here |
| 04:22.00 | kspath | Azar, vim was broken in etch for a while for syntax highlighting and some other stuffs that was deal breaker for me |
| 04:22.05 | Cyis | I'm gonna try and get some of the stuff Fedora has for Xen incorporated into Debian... some of the guest OS installer stuff might require some feature requests to d-i though to make it work |
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| 04:22.39 | abrotman | tuv: had i realized last night .. could have poked him |
| 04:22.42 | Azar | kspath: like any other new things... takes time to hunt and fix bugs |
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| 04:23.42 | nima | Also, does anyone know how to adjust mouse speed for only one mouse? |
| 04:24.04 | abrotman | you use two ? |
| 04:24.24 | tuv | abrotman, he got two hands, apparently |
| 04:24.31 | Cyis | abrotman: I was actually working on the upgrade packages for fwbuilder/libfwbuilder before coming down here to the in-laws for the holidays... another delay I'm gonna have in uploading though is the generation of new subkeys on my primary key and getting my key updated in the debian-keyring |
| 04:24.32 | abrotman | double fisting ... |
| 04:24.52 | abrotman | Cyis: oh wait .. you're the one that was whinig about the in-laws yesterday :) |
| 04:24.57 | nima | abrotman, One's a normal mouse, the other's a trackpoint |
| 04:25.02 | nima | :-P |
| 04:25.05 | Cyis | yeah... I'm stuck on the in-laws Win98se box |
| 04:25.06 | abrotman | Cyis: are you actually from georgia ? |
| 04:25.16 | Cyis | abrotman: Just moved back to GA in July |
| 04:25.19 | abrotman | georgia and win98 .. rough life :) |
| 04:25.36 | tuv | Cyis, win98? i'd run a livecd to escape that |
| 04:25.36 | Cyis | I so need to get them a new computer |
| 04:25.41 | abrotman | send praline cookies please! |
| 04:25.46 | Cyis | tuv: believe me I tried... it failed |
| 04:26.23 | Cyis | tuv: I actually ran out to buy blank CD media so I could burn a livecd disk |
| 04:26.27 | tuv | Cyis, little memory? |
| 04:26.46 | abrotman | maybe it's a 200Mhz |
| 04:26.53 | Cyis | tuv: insanely low memory... last visit I kept locking it up running nothing but the VNC client to my workstation back home |
| 04:27.11 | Cyis | abrotman: 500Mhz P-III but almost non-existent memory |
| 04:27.32 | tuv | Cyis, can't dsl (damnsmall) work with that? |
| 04:27.42 | abrotman | Cyis: 64MB you said ? |
| 04:27.46 | Cyis | I don't build a personal machine with anything less than 512MB RAM... my home workstation has 1.5GB but that's only till I replace the three 512MB sticks with 1GB sticks |
| 04:27.53 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah |
| 04:28.28 | abrotman | that's the problem ... weird stuff stays up there! |
| 04:28.46 | Cyis | I built my younger sister a new computer last year from my spare parts... AMD 900Mhz w/ 512MB RAM |
| 04:29.16 | Cyis | even gave her my old IDE CDRW and bought myself a new SATA DVD-+RW |
| 04:29.20 | tuv | it's sad.. a desktop can't work smoothly with any less than 512mb.. even if it's running linux |
| 04:29.26 | abrotman | yes it can |
| 04:29.44 | abrotman | this laptop had 256 for a while .. ran perfectly fine |
| 04:29.46 | Cyis | tuv: it can run with less than 512... I just don't run with less than 512 |
| 04:29.49 | tuv | abrotman, maybe at the cost of less convenience |
| 04:29.54 | abrotman | it's not that bad |
| 04:29.57 | itchi | tuv: hhmm with 256 MB it's still fine, at least if you not use that trolltech stuff |
| 04:29.59 | Cyis | I ask too much of my machines :) |
| 04:30.20 | ndowens | tuv: i have 128M |
| 04:30.23 | tuv | Cyis, hey.. aren't we all. otherwise we'd have no problems with windows |
| 04:30.34 | abrotman | tuv: of course .. now i have 768MB .. since i powered up this AM .. i've used 4k of swap :) |
| 04:30.53 | itchi | My older laptop had 128 too, used fluxbox on it and was to happy with it |
| 04:31.07 | tuv | abrotman, is this your irc-only machine? |
| 04:31.16 | abrotman | tuv: no .. this is my laptop |
| 04:31.18 | Cyis | My workstation typically runs Xen... dom0 is my GNOME desktop, apache2 and dev env... then separate domU's running Postgres, MySQL, JBoss and Tomcat |
| 04:31.40 | abrotman | tuv: i was gone for a while today while i went hiking |
| 04:31.54 | Cyis | plus I always keep a couple of chroots setup for building my packages within |
| 04:31.58 | abrotman | god damn thought it was a trail .. it wasn't ... |
| 04:31.58 | tuv | i guess it's ok as long as you don't have any python/java apps running continuously |
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| 04:33.36 | Cyis | I've been busy working with Java helping my client out... |
| 04:33.44 | resistance | i just switched my vid card and everything screwed up: (EE) no devices detected, Fatel server error: no screens found, when i try startx, can anyon ehelp? |
| 04:33.53 | abrotman | !drxx resistance |
| 04:33.53 | dpkg | resistance: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 04:34.17 | Cyis | I'm pretty sure I could convince them to move to Debian if I could host the servers here on the east coast rather than back in the west coast so I could be closer to them |
| 04:34.35 | abrotman | so why can't you ? |
| 04:34.45 | resistance | abrotman: i ran dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:34.51 | Cyis | abrotman: right now don't have the hardware or the bandwidth they need |
| 04:35.10 | abrotman | resistance: look for other EE lines |
| 04:35.22 | Cyis | abrotman: can check out their app at http://my.lakers.com and http://my.utahjazz.com |
| 04:35.28 | abrotman | Cyis: enterprise class dialup works just fine! |
| 04:35.57 | abrotman | are you seabridge? |
| 04:36.03 | Cyis | abrotman: I miss my business class DSL |
| 04:36.05 | resistance | abrotman: none, i seems it's still looking for my old card |
| 04:36.14 | Cyis | abrotman: No... Seabridge has been my client for the past 2.5 years... |
| 04:36.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 04:36.49 | abrotman | i'm going to admit right now .. i may never get tom waits :) |
| 04:36.50 | Cyis | abrotman: I've been managing their servers as well as starting to help out more with actual development |
| 04:37.03 | abrotman | Cyis: ah .. that's good |
| 04:37.10 | abrotman | resistance: see the part about xmd5 |
| 04:37.20 | abrotman | Cyis: your client loves you :) |
| 04:37.28 | Cyis | abrotman: It pays for my new '05 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab that my wife and I bought last year |
| 04:37.41 | abrotman | redneck! |
| 04:37.51 | abrotman | couldn't you just get a civic ? |
| 04:38.09 | nima | Ahh! Xset isn't even touching the trackpoint! |
| 04:38.12 | Cyis | abrotman: We got the truck because we were tired of renting a vehicle to get stuff home :) |
| 04:38.29 | Cyis | had to rent a truck from Lowes to get our BBQ grill home one year for 4th of July |
| 04:38.29 | abrotman | that's a damn big truck though |
| 04:38.40 | Cyis | abrotman: and it's been well used :) |
| 04:39.01 | Cyis | we towed a 6x12 trailer behind it when we moved cross-country |
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| 04:39.06 | Kevin` | anyone here have problems (or successes) online resizing an xfs filesystem? |
| 04:39.20 | abrotman | i thought xfs got resized offline ? |
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| 04:39.41 | abrotman | Cyis: still a damn big truck |
| 04:39.43 | Kevin` | well it worked fine online in a test |
| 04:39.47 | Kevin` | didn't complain |
| 04:39.47 | Cyis | this will be the first trip we've made to the in-laws that we won't be hauling a huge load back with us... and we've been here every month since we moved to GA except one |
| 04:39.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:39.59 | Cyis | abrotman: That it is... small cars get out of our way :) |
| 04:40.11 | abrotman | you don't intimidate me! |
| 04:40.25 | Cyis | abrotman: First two trips here were to get my wife's old bedroom stuff... next one we took back a brand new washer and dryer |
| 04:40.38 | abrotman | weird place to buy a W&D :) |
| 04:40.47 | Cyis | abrotman: cheaper taxes in this county :) |
| 04:40.55 | itchi | Ow, then the earth goes hot, hhm people ask why?? |
| 04:40.57 | Cyis | and we put it on her parents' charge card |
| 04:40.58 | abrotman | oh .. see .. we have Delaware for that :) |
| 04:41.14 | abrotman | land of no taxes! |
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| 04:41.46 | Cyis | but don't drive to work... I get my wife to drop me off at a park n ride and I take the bus into the train station then catch a shuttle |
| 04:42.02 | Cyis | still better than the 3 hour one way commute I had back in CA |
| 04:42.17 | abrotman | you live outside Atlanta then I gather |
| 04:42.26 | Cyis | abrotman: Yes... Alpharetta area |
| 04:42.36 | abrotman | we used to have another kid in here from atlanta .. dunno where he went |
| 04:42.45 | Cyis | and I work just outside the perimeter in the Dunwoody area |
| 04:42.53 | Cyis | abrotman: mercury? |
| 04:42.57 | abrotman | my aunt lives down there .. i've never been |
| 04:43.01 | abrotman | Cyis: not that i know of |
| 04:43.21 | abrotman | nick started with an 's' |
| 04:43.25 | Cyis | abrotman: hmm... wait no that was his workstation name I think... |
| 04:43.29 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:43.44 | Cyis | I knew a few DDs before I moved... haven't got back in touch since I moved back though |
| 04:44.01 | abrotman | i think there's one near here ... |
| 04:44.03 | abrotman | maybe two |
| 04:44.19 | Cyis | was easy to find DDs in SF Bay Area |
| 04:44.23 | abrotman | i'm sure it was |
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| 04:45.03 | Cyis | I need to get on biglumber and update my info... |
| 04:45.42 | Azar | Samba high profile figure resigned from Novell... nice letter |
| 04:45.44 | abrotman | someone at one time had a map you could zoom in on .. |
| 04:45.51 | Cyis | got quite a number of contacts to meet up for keysignings through there |
| 04:45.57 | abrotman | Azar: stop repeating slashdot news five days later :) |
| 04:46.06 | Cyis | abrotman: I think I know what site you were talking about |
| 04:46.10 | Azar | abrotman: thats from grocklaw.. :( |
| 04:46.32 | abrotman | Cyis: too bad i couldn't find it again |
| 04:46.43 | abrotman | not that it matters .. i wouldn't hunt down a DD anyways |
| 04:47.00 | Cyis | abrotman: shouldn't be too hard to put together... the city,state for most DDs (if not lat/long) is in the DB |
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| 04:47.18 | Azar | short in DDs ? |
| 04:47.30 | abrotman | Cyis: if you have access to it |
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| 04:47.37 | Cyis | in the last few years I got my key signed more from attending LWE |
| 04:47.38 | itchi | http://www.debian.org/devel/developers.loc ?? |
| 04:47.42 | Cyis | abrotman: and of course I would |
| 04:47.51 | abrotman | i don't! :) |
| 04:48.00 | resistance | abrotman: X10: fatal io error 104 connection reset my peer on x server ":0.0" after 0 requests0 known processes with 0 events remaining |
| 04:48.10 | abrotman | stop running stuff as root |
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| 04:48.39 | itchi | raf256: Changed of irc client? |
| 04:49.08 | raf256 | itchi: no, why? |
| 04:49.16 | Cyis | itchi: kinda but were talking about something that you could zoom in... like a Google Maps mashup |
| 04:49.31 | itchi | raf256: Drop my joke :-) |
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| 04:49.48 | itchi | Cyis: Yeah, but also not find it back :-p |
| 04:49.49 | abrotman | that's exactly what it was .. it was right after google maps came out |
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| 04:50.23 | Cyis | abrotman: wouldn't be too hard to put it together... |
| 04:50.49 | abrotman | i'm sure it wouldn't .. but it's already done! |
| 04:52.09 | Azar | wow, Reiser as in filesystem creator Reiser is in jail! |
| 04:52.22 | raf256 | Azar: wooooooooah! |
| 04:52.27 | raf256 | that is a brand new news. |
| 04:52.34 | abrotman | Azar: okay .. stop reading news |
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| 04:52.46 | Cyis | abrotman: just need to find the URL |
| 04:52.47 | Azar | see? is not news abrotman knew |
| 04:52.52 | raf256 | Azar: oh my god, did you know - there is now a COLOR tv! |
| 04:53.00 | abrotman | Cyis: i've tried before |
| 04:53.08 | Azar | raf256: I got better than that |
| 04:53.39 | abrotman | Cyis: http://cvs.debian.org/userdir-ldap/ud-xearth?rev=HEAD&cvsroot=debian-admin&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 04:54.18 | abrotman | Cyis: at least .. i think that's it |
| 04:54.55 | Cyis | hmm... definately hashing out the lat/long from the LDAP tree |
| 04:55.18 | abrotman | yeah |
| 04:56.08 | itchi | Looks like it's out http://nchip.livejournal.com/6722.html broken link in it |
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| 04:57.07 | abrotman | itchi: trhat's whhere i got it |
| 04:57.44 | Cyis | yeah that sounds very familar too |
| 04:58.04 | Cyis | although the broken link makes it hard to verify |
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| 05:01.09 | Cyis | Since I moved I had to move my email and web hosting to an offsite hosting provider... I need to find a way to regain control |
| 05:01.38 | abrotman | move it back :) |
| 05:02.35 | Cyis | problem is I can't host it at home currently... in fact my rack is in storage with my servers |
| 05:02.50 | abrotman | use the truck luke |
| 05:03.36 | Cyis | abrotman: Actually no room or bandwidth at home |
| 05:03.42 | abrotman | sell the kids! |
| 05:03.43 | Cyis | I lost my business class connection |
| 05:03.47 | Cyis | no kids :) |
| 05:04.01 | abrotman | wow .. traded them in on the truck huh ? |
| 05:04.01 | kspath | get some and sell them |
| 05:04.20 | itchi | Maybe can this images help?? http://lwn.net/1999/features/ALS/debian/maps/ |
| 05:04.34 | Cyis | I'm waiting to see if some decent pricing becomes available with companies starting to offer Xen based virtual hosting... |
| 05:04.53 | abrotman | itchi: that's the normal map |
| 05:05.07 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, but you can take the big image |
| 05:05.17 | itchi | Maybe a bit more clear?? |
| 05:05.28 | abrotman | i can't |
| 05:05.29 | Cyis | then again if my friend gets me in touch with his business contact that wants to invest in my consulting company.. I might be able to get some hardware and bandwidth so I could get some co-lo space |
| 05:05.48 | heyh0 | I'm trying to compile a programme with gcc-3.3 on sarge box and gettig all kinds of errors. I installed make, gcc and gcc-3.3 |
| 05:06.25 | itchi | http://lwn.net/1999/features/ALS/debian/maps/developer-map_huge.jpg |
| 05:06.53 | Cyis | as well as '00 |
| 05:07.41 | itchi | hhmm, 3 dot's an we no more see Belgium haha |
| 05:08.38 | kspath | ? |
| 05:09.00 | itchi | s/an/and/ |
| 05:09.23 | kspath | ? |
| 05:09.42 | abrotman | old man retires |
| 05:09.44 | itchi | kspath: Look on the link ^ :-) |
| 05:09.59 | blackelf | Cyis: huh |
| 05:10.32 | Cyis | blackelf: which statement confused you? |
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| 05:13.27 | blackelf | is it just me or do some flash pages show without text |
| 05:13.31 | blackelf | in firefox |
| 05:14.29 | itchi | blackelf: Does fine here |
| 05:14.44 | blackelf | itchi: can you check out page heyah.pl |
| 05:15.17 | blackelf | on my box the main page shows only icons, when you point an icon with a mouse then speach bubbles .oO( .. ) do open, but they are empty - no text is visible |
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| 05:16.01 | itchi | blackelf: Same here |
| 05:16.16 | blackelf | itchi: some pages (rare but still) have same problem |
| 05:16.23 | itchi | blackelf: Is that of these weird chars? |
| 05:16.40 | blackelf | that page was create by mentally retarded freaking idiots |
| 05:17.12 | blackelf | its flash-only, and it took tons of email from f*cking irritated users to make it work in linux at all |
| 05:17.34 | blackelf | you would think, its one of 3 bigger cellphone companies in Poland (~2 milion users) |
| 05:18.09 | itchi | blackelf: Just drop that company? |
| 05:18.20 | blackelf | itchi: yeah I did |
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| 05:21.05 | Azar | aw, abrotman left.... I had few more news for him |
| 05:21.31 | blackelf | azeta: but Elvis is still alive, isnt he?! |
| 05:21.58 | Azar | blackelf: the revenge of the evil icons |
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| 05:23.14 | Azar | so well, I am curious, do most of the people believe that a desktop SHOULD allways contain icons and bars? this is how it has to go no matter what? |
| 05:23.25 | Kevin` | nope. |
| 05:23.29 | Kevin` | I don't like icons |
| 05:23.35 | Azar | yeee! thanks Kevin |
| 05:23.39 | Kevin` | I have a little bar for "minimized" programs though |
| 05:23.51 | Azar | bah bull |
| 05:24.01 | Kevin` | well what do you do with them |
| 05:24.07 | Azar | I find rather more useful the openbox menu way |
| 05:24.17 | Kevin` | i'll have to try that then |
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| 05:25.07 | Azar | I can open xyz windows then push them in the background, and view them with a right click on the "desktops" menu line |
| 05:25.24 | Azar | so my desk is all for me |
| 05:25.40 | blackelf | white & nerdy is awesome |
| 05:25.57 | itchi | blackelf: That's old stuff :-p |
| 05:25.58 | blackelf | it should be GNU song instead of Stallman's one |
| 05:26.12 | Cyis | blackelf: yeah it's a hoot |
| 05:26.21 | blackelf | Piccard > Kirck |
| 05:26.32 | Azar | I don't know that one, I only know that I like simple and clean views |
| 05:26.36 | Kevin` | ya I have to agree with that blackelf |
| 05:26.46 | blackelf | Kirck was quite gay |
| 05:27.01 | blackelf | although I didnt watch must of orginal nor voyager |
| 05:27.02 | itchi | Azar: Try fluxbox :-) |
| 05:27.13 | Azar | itchi: I got better: openbox3 |
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| 05:27.43 | itchi | Azar: Personally i find it a little bit better as openbox. But to be honnest, i no more remember which version of openbox i have used |
| 05:27.56 | Azar | I got my own collection of Raven/Myst bg pictures and openbox3 that all |
| 05:28.13 | Cyis | well think I'm gonna call it a nite... wife is prolly waiting on me gotta drive home tomorrow |
| 05:30.33 | Azar | itchi: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/onix/screenshot.png |
| 05:31.01 | Azar | thats an old one , back in the days I was using woody |
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| 05:31.53 | itchi | Azar: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/fluxbox1.jpg (up to fluxbox6.jpg) |
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| 05:33.24 | Azar | itchi: nice bg, not to brag but I like gkrellm better |
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| 05:33.58 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, i not realy more use that wm* applets, just that cpu and mem info, useful for qemu |
| 05:34.20 | CHodapp | you use wmaker? |
| 05:34.23 | Azar | itchi, ever seen gkrellm? |
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| 05:34.45 | itchi | Azar: Yes; but these screenshots where done on my old laptop 300MHz with 128 MB ram |
| 05:34.58 | Azar | oh I see |
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| 05:35.34 | itchi | CHodapp: No, just these applets |
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| 05:36.13 | CHodapp | I've gone between dockapps and gkrellm randomly |
| 05:36.32 | Azar | gkrellm gets me the box name, kernel version, cpu usage, proc usage, disk usage, eth0 usage, how much ram is free, how many users active/gone lockshoot.. sometimes weather and temperature which I don't actually use |
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| 05:37.15 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, i know about it, just take it many power, for old stuff, we can forget it |
| 05:37.27 | lestat | ok i some how messed up my groups i guess by accident, i messed up my user acct where it couldn't even run programs, so i created another user, and now i don't have sound and can't sudo, so far that is all the problems i have ran in to |
| 05:37.52 | Azar | lestat: can you use "su" ? |
| 05:37.58 | Yggdrasil_ | darn, does anyone know how about undeleting on a ext3 fs ? |
| 05:38.10 | itchi | Azar: At least because on that laptop was an webserver running, mysql/postgre database and so |
| 05:38.24 | Azar | itchi: ah I see.. |
| 05:38.33 | liable | lestat: so add yourself to audio group and use visudo |
| 05:38.39 | itchi | Azar: Was a bit to just for that old stuff :-) |
| 05:38.55 | lestat | yea i can su |
| 05:39.16 | Azar | :) then su and adduser <username> audio |
| 05:39.39 | blackelf | how to make [real] money on open source software for linux? |
| 05:39.53 | lestat | well i have the new username so to add it to the audio group i would do, usermod -G audio lestat ? |
| 05:39.56 | itchi | blackelf: Rent your services! |
| 05:40.00 | Azar | itchi: maybe I am not normal, but way back before linux, before windows 3.1... I liked dos. When dos was gone I kept missing it |
| 05:40.11 | liable | lestat: man adduser |
| 05:40.13 | blackelf | itchi: like? |
| 05:40.32 | itchi | Azar: Heheh, so im not alone that have liked DOS |
| 05:40.41 | blackelf | itchi: if every apache would charge 5 usd for using it, the apache devels would be milioners now |
| 05:40.55 | Azar | itchi: donkeykong, pong, pacman... |
| 05:40.58 | itchi | blackelf: Imagination is the most imporantest before knowledges |
| 05:41.27 | itchi | s/bad stuff/importantest/ |
| 05:41.36 | itchi | im lazy, to tired |
| 05:41.42 | lestat | liable: hmm it says i am already a member of audio |
| 05:42.10 | Azar | lestat: but as new user, you don't own any sound files right? |
| 05:42.15 | liable | !sound test |
| 05:42.23 | liable | pfffft |
| 05:42.26 | itchi | Azar: Was maybe just sad we had not give GNU/Linux faster a try ;-) |
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| 05:42.56 | itchi | liable: Yeah, the bot's are drunken it's looks |
| 05:42.57 | Azar | itchi: I guess back then was only Unix |
| 05:42.59 | lestat | Azar: well i am in gnome, and if i click on the speaker, it won't let me adjust the volume, gives a gstreamer error |
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| 05:43.19 | Azar | oh ew gnome... |
| 05:43.35 | Azar | I use xmms with no gnome |
| 05:43.40 | lestat | Azar: "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found" |
| 05:43.55 | blackelf | itchi: but if I make my app free and open-souce, then I will earn 0 usd. well perhaps like 100 usd in donations, right? |
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| 05:44.13 | Azar | lestat: maybe Im wrong, would you need as "new user" to install your own player? |
| 05:44.46 | Azar | I am not sure what Gnome is about but I remember in windows, each user has its own apps installed |
| 05:44.49 | lestat | Azar: what? |
| 05:44.56 | itchi | blackelf: I not have especially talk about apps, but yeah, you can make somethings that will be very interesting for companies so that these will rent you to continue to work on it?? |
| 05:45.14 | blackelf | itchi: but how the comapnies make probffit then |
| 05:45.15 | Azar | lestat: sorry, maybe someone else can help you, I have no idea how gnome works |
| 05:45.41 | blackelf | itchi: like, I was thinking about application to make general purpose business notes for small companies |
| 05:45.42 | itchi | blackelf: On you tool you made for his |
| 05:45.51 | blackelf | ? |
| 05:45.56 | Azar | honorables happy merry christmas and all other holidays, Im out to bed |
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| 05:47.27 | lestat | ugh, may just reinstall debian lol, it isn't even making bash default when i set it |
| 05:47.42 | itchi | blackelf: The tool you have made for his will maybe help that company a bit for x job |
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| 05:48.38 | lestat | hmm in gnome it shows that bash is suppose to be my default shell |
| 05:48.42 | itchi | blackelf: Or maybe install Debian's servers and sell some services |
| 05:49.40 | itchi | blackelf: I dunno what the limit are, like it's only limited with your imagination, but take the simplest thing; mail, web hosting; dns ... |
| 05:49.53 | blackelf | no, I have an app in mind |
| 05:50.07 | blackelf | but I wonder will I benefit more making it OS and/or free |
| 05:50.40 | liable | make it first, then worry about whether you will make it free |
| 05:50.44 | itchi | blackelf: Why not, ask for donations, put it clear on the project site. Wait, look on wikipedia, have you see the donations these got?? |
| 05:51.08 | blackelf | itchi: yea =) |
| 05:51.15 | blackelf | Im amused at that |
| 05:51.36 | liable | how much? |
| 05:51.47 | itchi | blackelf: You know, as long you not see to big, just try to life right, and you will be already happy, let's drop bill |
| 05:52.05 | blackelf | itchi: huh? |
| 05:52.15 | itchi | blackelf: About the money |
| 05:52.56 | itchi | liable: You see it there on the top of the website, in green |
| 05:54.11 | enouf | !$$$ |
| 05:54.28 | enouf | the bitch don't know money? |
| 05:54.33 | stoned | huh |
| 05:54.53 | stoned | wtf are you people on about |
| 05:54.57 | stoned | dude? |
| 05:54.59 | stoned | don't smoke me |
| 05:55.00 | stoned | man |
| 05:55.04 | enouf | hehe |
| 05:55.26 | stoned | dude |
| 05:55.32 | stoned | like liable said |
| 05:55.37 | stoned | <liable> make it first, then worry about whether you will make it free |
| 05:55.44 | itchi | sure |
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| 05:55.48 | stoned | lets discuss the liscencing AFTER you've made it |
| 05:55.49 | enouf | make it free FIRST! |
| 05:55.52 | stoned | until then, shut it |
| 05:55.58 | itchi | Not want money before doing somethings too ... |
| 05:56.05 | enouf | no you STFU |
| 05:56.24 | blackelf | I want to know how to make money before starting doing anythig.. |
| 05:56.25 | stoned | enouf, que? |
| 05:56.27 | itchi | If i'm not wrong, if your the owner of your GNU GPL stuff, you can make it later comercial stuff |
| 05:56.36 | blackelf | I wand like, do devels of most apps get money |
| 05:56.37 | enouf | stoned: queue? |
| 05:56.42 | blackelf | like say krusader devels |
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| 05:56.45 | blackelf | or KDE |
| 05:56.48 | stoned | enouf, no. que? |
| 05:56.51 | enouf | ugh |
| 05:57.07 | itchi | !beer enouf |
| 05:57.18 | stoned | dude |
| 05:57.19 | itchi | enouf: What's happend? |
| 05:57.28 | stoned | it doesn't matter right now if you make it free or commercial, cuz its not made yet |
| 05:57.41 | itchi | enouf: Looks like your a bit in sad spirit?? |
| 05:58.08 | itchi | stoned: Yeah sure, i gave some comments about it too :-) |
| 05:58.16 | stoned | if you got a good product, people come around, being free is an added bonus |
| 05:58.25 | enouf | !eggnog itchi |
| 05:58.41 | itchi | enouf: Cause of that sad discussion you got there or so? |
| 05:58.53 | enouf | nah itchi .. it's all cool man |
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| 05:59.12 | stoned | Nappa |
| 05:59.17 | enouf | I'm fine :-) .. whatchu talkin bout main? |
| 05:59.18 | stoned | Vageta |
| 05:59.24 | DUAL_MAN | hi everyone: why doesn't the bash "service" command work for me |
| 05:59.27 | stoned | Kakarot |
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| 06:00.11 | enouf | er vitametavegamin |
| 06:00.14 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: Can you clarify the question? |
| 06:00.25 | stoned | thats too far fetched at midnight |
| 06:00.30 | stoned | can't process |
| 06:00.41 | stoned | service is a bash command? |
| 06:00.54 | Kevin` | I think service is a redhatism |
| 06:01.06 | itchi | enouf: hhhm tomato |
| 06:03.38 | stoned | !nfi |
| 06:03.38 | dpkg | [nfi] No Fucking Idea |
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| 06:04.29 | itchi | hehe, i know more vulgar things in English as in my own language haha |
| 06:04.42 | DUAL_MAN | itchi: when i ran centos and i wanted to restart a service i did a: service ### restart |
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| 06:04.51 | itchi | Try to translate that to your language ^ |
| 06:04.59 | liable | !services |
| 06:04.59 | dpkg | i heard services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 06:05.37 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: Just /etc/init.d/foo start|stop|restart |
| 06:05.54 | DUAL_MAN | itchi: the service i want isn't located there |
| 06:06.03 | DUAL_MAN | that's y i'm confused |
| 06:06.19 | liable | what is this service? |
| 06:06.23 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: Which one exactly? Or to do what? |
| 06:06.31 | DUAL_MAN | asterisk :D |
| 06:06.47 | blackelf | itchi: will you marry me? |
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| 06:06.58 | stoned | ? |
| 06:07.05 | itchi | blackelf: Why not :-p |
| 06:07.09 | blackelf | Im practicing. although a girl would be better excercise |
| 06:07.12 | DUAL_MAN | itchi: service asterisk stop |
| 06:07.31 | enouf | RH! |
| 06:07.31 | blackelf | stoned: pass me the duby |
| 06:07.37 | stoned | how do you practice proposing |
| 06:08.04 | enouf | DUAL_MAN: that's FC/RHEL related |
| 06:08.12 | itchi | blackelf: Your better with /msg dpkg shit |
| 06:08.18 | blackelf | !shit |
| 06:08.18 | dpkg | from memory, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 06:08.21 | stoned | you just go to the woman you love and say, hey, i love you, you love me, lets get the gov. involved in our relationship, lets get married |
| 06:08.22 | itchi | blackelf: The alternative stuff ;-) |
| 06:08.29 | enouf | oh man |
| 06:08.39 | stoned | our love is sooo good we can't just keep it to ourself |
| 06:08.47 | stoned | we gotta get the gov. in on this shit baby |
| 06:08.55 | stoned | god, I hate that stupid idea of marriage |
| 06:09.04 | stoned | if marriage didn't exist, would you invent it? |
| 06:09.11 | stoned | better left for offtopic, but damn, think about it |
| 06:09.12 | itchi | Yeah, my wife is hospitalisate, brr fucking xmass |
| 06:09.52 | Supaplex | stoned: be born, get the govt inolved. so much for logic... |
| 06:11.13 | stoned | Supaplex, ahh yea |
| 06:11.45 | stoned | Supaplex, you're born a free man/woman and any gov. anywhere in the world just fucks you out of half of that freedom |
| 06:11.47 | Supaplex | so they know you're married. *yawn* |
| 06:12.06 | blackelf | is debian linux protected from ARP poisoning? |
| 06:12.24 | stoned | blackelf, you're scaing me now man |
| 06:12.28 | stoned | cut it out |
| 06:12.40 | blackelf | stoned: what the fuck? |
| 06:12.40 | stoned | talking about poisoning and such |
| 06:12.48 | blackelf | O_o ? |
| 06:13.12 | liable | linux isnt, iirc bsd is |
| 06:13.17 | Supaplex | blackelf: like dsniff's arpspoof? not by default. |
| 06:13.34 | blackelf | so.. how should I secure my box |
| 06:13.34 | stoned | how do you poison arp? |
| 06:13.42 | raf256 | http://www.watchguard.com/infocenter/editorial/135324.asp |
| 06:15.33 | Supaplex | it's not just your box that's open to that. if you're trying to keep your traffic from being hijacked, you'll have to keep measures in place on every network device on the network. I haven't ventored to trouble myself to set manual arp entries, mac address specific settings and so on, but that may not be the answer anyway. |
| 06:15.56 | Supaplex | eg, iptables etc etc. |
| 06:17.03 | Supaplex | mac level vlans can help, but you'd have to setup a firewall to route all the traffic between the vlans. so much for the switch fabric :) |
| 06:18.34 | Supaplex | s/mac level/port level + optional mac level/ |
| 06:19.31 | mphill | is the etch installer in the testing snapshot? |
| 06:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 472] by debhelper |
| 06:20.09 | Supaplex | yes, etch has it's own release of d-i |
| 06:21.01 | phliver | could somebody point me in the right direction. i guess i don't know what to google for: i want to be able to create a file and use that as an image to mount, but i want to use encryption. anybody know of anything like this? |
| 06:22.06 | itchi | phliver: Why want you that encrypted? |
| 06:23.02 | phliver | itchi: i want to have a directory where i can put files and keep them encrypted. i want to be able to mount it and have it ask for a password. i don't want to repartition the drive..instead use a "file image" that i can mount |
| 06:23.10 | phliver | i could move that file to another computer.. |
| 06:23.45 | itchi | phliver: Use zip with password? Nothings is secure, everythings can be are broken |
| 06:23.47 | resistance | mmy debian system keeps hanging on me, is it kde that's doing it? |
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| 06:24.44 | itchi | resistance: Yeah, remove it, install maybe Gnome or fluxbox or xfce :-) |
| 06:26.38 | enouf | itchi: the doughnits weren't cuttin it .. so I made soem french toast and bacon :-) |
| 06:26.43 | phliver | well i can use kernel loopback support to mount a file...now to find a good way to encrypt that.. |
| 06:27.29 | blackelf | who is responsible for linking app with its libs on startup? kernel? or userspace tool? |
| 06:27.38 | blackelf | coz I think it should be made to work in SMP |
| 06:27.53 | itchi | enouf: hehe |
| 06:29.26 | itchi | enouf: To be honnest, have not yet eat an doughnut |
| 06:29.35 | blackelf | are KDE developers payed |
| 06:29.44 | blackelf | to develop fucking unstable programs? |
| 06:29.50 | itchi | blackelf: Look to trolltech stuff |
| 06:30.07 | blackelf | krusader knode filelight, all freaking crashing |
| 06:30.12 | resistance | itchi is there any way to get out of a hang without restarting? |
| 06:30.16 | blackelf | kshit |
| 06:30.29 | Kevin` | what sort of hang |
| 06:30.34 | enouf | resistance: sysrq |
| 06:30.39 | resistance | it hunk in kde |
| 06:30.42 | Kevin` | ctrl+alt+f1 you should try first |
| 06:30.46 | resistance | unresponisive |
| 06:30.48 | Kevin` | then alt+printscreen+r |
| 06:30.49 | itchi | resistance: ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 06:30.53 | Kevin` | then alt+f1 |
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| 06:31.04 | enouf | a hunka hunka burning app .. yeay |
| 06:31.15 | itchi | resistance: Hang it with other desktops too ? |
| 06:31.19 | Kevin` | alt+printscreen+whatever will only work if you have sysrq enabled |
| 06:31.43 | resistance | kevin: screen went blank |
| 06:32.05 | itchi | resistance: Maybe you need to move your ~/.kde stuff?? |
| 06:32.10 | Kevin` | so you can't see what your typing? |
| 06:32.19 | itchi | resistance: What about with another user? |
| 06:32.27 | Kevin` | I would type |
| 06:32.28 | Kevin` | root |
| 06:32.30 | Kevin` | password |
| 06:32.35 | Kevin` | killall -9 Xorg |
| 06:32.37 | resistance | well the screen went to standby |
| 06:33.10 | Kevin` | you don't have network access do you? that would be easiest |
| 06:33.43 | resistance | putty |
| 06:33.59 | Kevin` | use it, kill and restart the gui |
| 06:34.10 | resistance | bastard doesn't connect |
| 06:34.21 | Kevin` | hmm perhaps it actually froze :) |
| 06:34.25 | Kevin` | video driver maybe? |
| 06:34.31 | Kevin` | alt+printscreen+s |
| 06:34.36 | Kevin` | alt+printscreen+b (reboot) |
| 06:34.38 | phliver | Kevin`: uh, what are the sysreq commands? |
| 06:34.50 | Kevin` | phliver look in the kernel documentation |
| 06:34.55 | itchi | resistance: Or ctrl+alt+del |
| 06:34.58 | Kevin` | (b is to reboot, not reboot after b) |
| 06:34.59 | phliver | Kevin`: not for me for you |
| 06:35.22 | resistance | kevin: it rebooted |
| 06:35.33 | resistance | so is kde famour for hangups? |
| 06:35.41 | enouf | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/sysrq-keys-support.html |
| 06:35.44 | Kevin` | I doubt it was kde itself |
| 06:35.50 | Kevin` | what video driver are you using |
| 06:35.58 | itchi | resistance: Not especially |
| 06:36.10 | resistance | ATI |
| 06:36.26 | Kevin` | the ati driver is faumous for crashing, however :) |
| 06:36.45 | resistance | can i use a different 1? |
| 06:37.01 | blackelf | !1 |
| 06:37.03 | Kevin` | you could use the opensource driver if your using the binary one |
| 06:37.10 | Kevin` | or you could use a generic driver |
| 06:37.32 | resistance | how do i switch? |
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| 06:38.09 | Kevin` | I know how to do it by editing the config file, but debian has an easier way, someone else here will know it and say it shortly... |
| 06:38.25 | itchi | Sleep gona get me |
| 06:38.43 | blackelf | I report about 5 bugs weekly |
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| 06:40.36 | blackelf | is there a short faq on how to report a bug (how to gdb and valgrind an application and how to email)? |
| 06:41.37 | itchi | blackelf: Did you already have an average 5 that you send weekly? |
| 06:41.50 | blackelf | ? |
| 06:42.04 | itchi | 07:38:43 < blackelf> I report about 5 bugs weekly |
| 06:42.12 | blackelf | hmm perhaps montly, yes |
| 06:42.12 | itchi | 07:40:36 < blackelf> is there a short faq on how to report a bug (how to gdb and valgrind an application and how to email)? |
| 06:42.16 | blackelf | itchi: and? |
| 06:42.21 | blackelf | your point beeing/ |
| 06:43.01 | itchi | No, i not understand :-) Sound weird, you do it, but then ask how to do it?? |
| 06:43.13 | blackelf | where did I ask how to do it? |
| 06:43.28 | itchi | blackelf: See the paste |
| 06:43.31 | blackelf | itchi: did you attended USA publis school? |
| 06:43.42 | blackelf | no, I asked is there such faq, not how to do it |
| 06:43.44 | itchi | blackelf: No, these are not good |
| 06:44.00 | blackelf | as in "is there such faq or should I make it" |
| 06:44.36 | blackelf | so... is there? |
| 06:44.52 | itchi | blackelf: My eyes are maybe not open; but my spirit still, so im still convincd my way |
| 06:45.48 | itchi | blackelf: English is not my native language btw |
| 06:46.14 | blackelf | so is there such faq or should I make it? |
| 06:46.32 | Gge_ | not commented out |
| 06:46.47 | enouf | :-) |
| 06:46.49 | itchi | enouf: Hehe |
| 06:47.11 | itchi | enouf: I found that weird the way he told :-) |
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| 06:48.47 | mesut | hi, sometimes apt-get upgrade tries to install same version of my current kernel, why is that ? |
| 06:48.57 | blackelf | so is there such faq or should I make it? |
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| 06:49.52 | Supaplex | mesut: have a transcript? |
| 06:49.56 | itchi | blackelf: See on the debian's wiki |
| 06:50.29 | mesut | whats a transcript |
| 06:50.40 | liable | output of the apt stuff |
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| 06:50.52 | itchi | blackelf: Maybe add there some more stuff if you know |
| 06:50.59 | mesut | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 06:50.59 | mesut | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.14 | mesut | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.14 | mesut | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 06:51.23 | itchi | blackelf: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/BugReports?highlight=%28bug%29 |
| 06:51.44 | mesut | Supaplex ^^ |
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| 06:52.31 | blackelf | itchi: bug report sucks cocks |
| 06:53.05 | blackelf | itchi: the othere wiki pages are not what I ment |
| 06:53.08 | blackelf | ok I will write own |
| 06:53.16 | blackelf | *own faq |
| 06:53.23 | itchi | blackelf: write it on the wiki?? |
| 06:53.31 | blackelf | itchi: on my page and link from wiki |
| 06:53.46 | itchi | blackelf: hhhm, no, inverse it |
| 06:53.53 | blackelf | why |
| 06:54.07 | Supaplex | mesut: dpkg -l kernel-image\* | grep ^ii |
| 06:54.14 | itchi | blackelf: Why your way? Why would you dispatch the info? |
| 06:54.30 | blackelf | itchi: well to promote my awesome site, of course |
| 06:54.31 | itchi | blackelf: Just centralize the info |
| 06:54.44 | itchi | blackelf: Copy paste; done :-) |
| 06:54.46 | blackelf | bah I will paste the link AND put summarized info to wiki. |
| 06:55.17 | itchi | blackelf: That's sad, and not the way of 'colaboration' |
| 06:55.17 | mesut | Supaplex, kernel-image-2 2.6.8-16sarge5 Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 06:55.36 | blackelf | itchi: what the fuck? even link to my awesome page is too much to ask? |
| 06:56.03 | blackelf | I hope the warm feeling of helping others will compensate for the time I spent |
| 06:56.10 | itchi | blackelf: Nope, just do it right from the begin?? |
| 06:56.23 | Supaplex | mesut: is the version apt is installing newer? eg, sarge6 or higher? |
| 06:56.54 | mesut | Supaplex, when installing,apt warns me that i am trying to install same version of my current kernel |
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| 06:57.13 | itchi | blackelf: Ba, yeah, an link will be already right, another one that would be have more ambition gona maybe then copy your stuff and add it completely to the wiki, just a bit more work then |
| 06:57.29 | blackelf | how make dumb dpkg print version and name WITHOUT the stupid shor description of application in dpkg --list foo ? |
| 06:57.42 | Supaplex | mesut: that's right. the package version may be newer (and I stress package only. has little to do with what the kernel reports) |
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| 06:57.51 | blackelf | itchi: I will paste my solution and link to my page :) |
| 06:58.15 | dn4 | how do I update menus in debian? |
| 06:58.29 | mesut | Supaplex, so should i keep installing it |
| 06:58.32 | itchi | blackelf: You can also use the apt-cache policy foo and tail on it or take the interesting line |
| 06:58.47 | mesut | Supaplex, this is not the first time |
| 06:58.49 | Supaplex | mesut: what release are you tracking? |
| 06:58.55 | mesut | sarge |
| 06:59.04 | Supaplex | oh yea, sarge5. my bad. *click* |
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| 06:59.19 | itchi | dn4: update-menus |
| 06:59.26 | mesut | You are attempting to install a kernel version that is the same as |
| 06:59.26 | mesut | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.18 | mesut | i cant reboot the machine now anyway,so wont install it. atleast now. |
| 07:00.19 | mphill | etch is looking really good, the installer worked fine... |
| 07:00.39 | Supaplex | mesut: hold on.. checking something. |
| 07:00.46 | mphill | i see the selinux extensions are off, how do i turn them on? |
| 07:00.50 | mesut | ok Supaplex thanks |
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| 07:01.26 | liable | oh, noice. didnt even know htop existed. |
| 07:02.10 | efuzzyone | hi i have removed the ppp package, but still the ppp file is present in the /etc/init.d folder, how do I remove it? |
| 07:02.15 | itchi | blackelf: You can also do some stuff as aptitude search p7zip | awk '{ print $2}' |
| 07:02.15 | efuzzyone | Or do I need to? |
| 07:02.51 | liable | efuzzyone: dpkg -P ppp |
| 07:03.24 | efuzzyone | liable: thanks |
| 07:03.25 | liable | efuzzyone: it doesnt really matter if its still there though (though you may see errors at boot relating to it) |
| 07:03.41 | blackelf | itchi: wtf |
| 07:03.52 | blackelf | itchi: it skips the most important info I need - the version |
| 07:03.58 | blackelf | itchi: the aptitue search |
| 07:04.27 | Supaplex | mesut: it looks like there's a sarge6, eg: v kernel-tree-2.6.8-16sarge5 - |
| 07:04.29 | itchi | blackelf: $x where x could be are ... |
| 07:04.30 | Supaplex | v kernel-tree-2.6.8-16sarge6 - |
| 07:04.39 | blackelf | itchi: apt-cache search | awk works nice |
| 07:04.50 | blackelf | itchi: except, dpkg print fucking header line, how to get rid of it |
| 07:04.55 | itchi | blackelf: Was just an example :-) Play with it ;-) |
| 07:04.59 | mesut | Supaplex, but |
| 07:05.07 | mesut | /lib/modules# ls |
| 07:05.07 | mesut | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 07:05.11 | itchi | blackelf: Remove the first lines ;-) |
| 07:05.22 | Supaplex | mesut: the sarge* version isn't recorded there |
| 07:05.23 | blackelf | itchi: how the fuck do I do that |
| 07:05.25 | mesut | using same dir, so it may get fcked if i dont reboot |
| 07:05.42 | mesut | yes i see that,but i cant reboot the box now |
| 07:05.44 | itchi | blackelf: Little hint, tail |
| 07:05.47 | blackelf | I need a rewerse of tail |
| 07:05.55 | liable | head |
| 07:05.55 | Supaplex | blackelf: head |
| 07:05.56 | itchi | blackelf: Yeah! :-) |
| 07:06.05 | blackelf | no shit Sherlocks |
| 07:06.14 | blackelf | I need inverse of head and reverse of tail |
| 07:06.19 | Supaplex | blackelf: ask the obvious, receive such |
| 07:06.31 | Supaplex | blackelf: tac |
| 07:07.05 | blackelf | Supaplex: oh jesus. too bad head doesnt just have revelant option |
| 07:08.09 | itchi | Hey, what's happend with liable?? Nothings ! |
| 07:08.20 | itchi | tail -1 |
| 07:08.53 | Supaplex | naughty peer |
| 07:09.12 | liable | heh, good peer :) |
| 07:09.35 | Supaplex | pheer the peer |
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| 07:11.05 | Gge_ | fighting with deselect to install wireless tools (etch rc1) . Cd-ROM is selected even I ask for apt in deselct step0 . Is it because "deb cd-rom" is not commented out in /etc/sources.list file ? = CLOSED after commented it out |
| 07:11.37 | liable | !badgersmite raf256 |
| 07:11.50 | raf256 | itchi: and how exacly can I use tail -1 to skip 3 first lines? |
| 07:12.00 | itchi | raf256: head |
| 07:12.12 | raf256 | itchi: ok, how can I use head to skip 3 first lines? |
| 07:12.29 | itchi | raf256: You need compine some stuff together :-) |
| 07:12.30 | raf256 | should I give head to some developer to code this obviously needed function? |
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| 07:13.06 | itchi | raf256: I gave an tail example :-) |
| 07:13.34 | raf256 | itchi: your example had failed |
| 07:13.49 | itchi | raf256: Then you not shooted on the duck |
| 07:14.13 | raf256 | itchi: huh? speak in plain english ;) |
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| 07:14.50 | raf256 | itchi: I do not want to print last N lines, I want to skip N first lines and print the rest |
| 07:15.09 | raf256 | but apparently linux is not advanced enough to handl such complicated task easly |
| 07:15.11 | nick255 | has anybody compiled a voicetronix driver on debian or know the status of package vpb-driver? |
| 07:15.31 | itchi | raf256: Ug |
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| 07:16.19 | raf256 | itchi: whas "Ug" ? |
| 07:16.28 | liable | wtf, that comment was completely nonsensical |
| 07:17.03 | raf256 | what in the fucks name |
| 07:17.04 | itchi | raf256: Nonsense, like your last message before that |
| 07:17.42 | raf256 | itchi: can you or can you not give me example of how to print all lines besides 3 first lines from a command like dpkg --list or ls or whatever |
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| 07:18.27 | liable | tail +4 foo |
| 07:19.02 | itchi | raf256: And say that my example was not yet good |
| 07:19.25 | raf256 | yey |
| 07:19.35 | raf256 | itchi: your example failed |
| 07:19.40 | raf256 | liable's one did work |
| 07:19.58 | itchi | raf256: Yeah, blind guy :-p |
| 07:20.25 | raf256 | ok, so the magic command to list installed software is |
| 07:20.27 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.52 | itchi | raf256: hhhm, how do you do that on Wintendo? |
| 07:21.01 | raf256 | itchi: I dont, why? |
| 07:21.13 | itchi | raf256: I do no care about it too haha |
| 07:21.22 | raf256 | ; |
| 07:21.23 | raf256 | ;) |
| 07:21.43 | itchi | raf256: Maybe, right, it's many more complex GNU/Linux, but see what you can do with it! |
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| 07:21.44 | raf256 | anyway, Imho dpkg should have simple --iv (shor for installed versions) |
| 07:22.10 | raf256 | itchi: I have no idea what are you talking about in your last statement |
| 07:22.23 | raf256 | dpkg --iv libkde* isnt that nicer then dpkg --list libkde* | tail -n +6 | grep ii | awk '{ print $2,$3 }' ? |
| 07:22.43 | itchi | raf256: ow, and apt-cache policy ? |
| 07:22.57 | itchi | raf256: Is a bit shorter |
| 07:23.32 | raf256 | how to use apt-cache policy? |
| 07:23.39 | itchi | raf256: Yeah, forget that last i told, is a bit more work to parse |
| 07:24.02 | raf256 | yea |
| 07:24.21 | raf256 | perhaps I should contribute a tiny script? |
| 07:24.27 | raf256 | dpkg-lv (dpkg list versions) |
| 07:24.45 | raf256 | it will be one liner to simplify listing versions, since its so common task |
| 07:24.54 | itchi | raf256: Yeah, maybe, why not |
| 07:25.04 | raf256 | do we have debian devels here? |
| 07:25.06 | itchi | raf256: Maybe is there already an way |
| 07:25.43 | itchi | Im too tired |
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| 07:27.33 | tuv | devels are for bsd :) |
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| 07:36.03 | sciboy | Guys, how do you recommend i copy the entire contents of a filesystem to a folder on another disk? |
| 07:36.28 | sciboy | I mean, will symlinks etc. cause issues with cp -R ? |
| 07:37.00 | liable | rsync, cp -a .. man cp, man rsync |
| 07:37.17 | sciboy | Cheers |
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| 07:38.46 | sciboy | Also i'm stuck doing a fresh install, i was thinking i might want to try out a new desktop environment while i'm at it. |
| 07:38.51 | raf256 | sciboy: -a |
| 07:38.52 | raf256 | cp -a |
| 07:38.57 | sciboy | Uptil now i've been using XFCE4 and Rox-filer |
| 07:39.30 | sciboy | Any recommendations? |
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| 07:39.57 | sciboy | If anything i'll probably go with Gnome and possibly Beryl |
| 07:40.37 | liable | when beryl hits the repos |
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| 07:46.43 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:46.43 | dpkg | hmm... qotd79 is <Overfiend> I think I want to fork GCC. Any time a compiler warning or error would be spewed, my version would just say: gcc: something wrong d00d |
| 07:47.05 | liable | hehe |
| 07:47.26 | sciboy | How is Gnome these days? |
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| 07:47.54 | sciboy | Last time i tried it was a few years ago and it was a fair bit cpu hungry then. |
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| 07:48.37 | liable | its still a memory hog, but who cares if you have a newish box |
| 07:49.05 | sciboy | How much of a memory hog? |
| 07:49.43 | sciboy | And only reason i worry is while i got RAM and CPU i use it just as heavily. |
| 07:49.58 | liable | i cant put a figure on it, depends what you install and run. |
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| 07:50.17 | sciboy | Are we talking 300mb or so? |
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| 07:52.07 | liable | sciboy: 256M should run it very comfortably. only when you have an old p3 or something do you need to use a *box |
| 07:52.37 | liable | or if your l337 and want to run a *box anyway :) |
| 07:52.45 | sciboy | Well i've been running on XFCE4 so half-way. |
| 07:53.30 | liable | you prolly wont notice much difference. start with gnome-core oe whatever the minimal one is |
| 07:53.33 | unix_infidel | the only real reason i thought fluxbox was decent because it was fairly lightweight and it had a menu wherever my cursor was. |
| 07:53.51 | cahoot | who needs menus |
| 07:54.03 | unix_infidel | cahoot: i tend to diverge from a term now and again :P |
| 07:54.14 | liable | i found xfce4 shit. i really liked e17, then switched to gnome when i decided to try xgl |
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| 08:04.02 | karsten | unix_infidel: It's good for stress-testing RAM and swap. |
| 08:04.08 | karsten | unix_infidel: ... as well as patienc.e |
| 08:04.30 | darkoh | hello everybody, is there a command i use to download remaining packages i havent installed yet? |
| 08:04.44 | liable | all of them? |
| 08:04.50 | karsten | darkoh: aptitude |
| 08:04.51 | darkoh | yes |
| 08:05.13 | darkoh | ill just type aptitude? |
| 08:05.13 | liable | hehe, you *really* dont want that :) |
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| 08:05.24 | darkoh | why not liable ? |
| 08:05.25 | karsten | darkoh: Why don't you detail your situation / need / want a tad more precisely. |
| 08:06.01 | liable | darkoh: because you'll never even get close to using/needing all of them |
| 08:06.07 | darkoh | well when i look at the synaptic package manager i see that theres alot of packages there i havent installed yet |
| 08:06.15 | darkoh | i installed debian via netinstall btw |
| 08:06.18 | karsten | darkoh: Roughly 20,000 of them. |
| 08:06.23 | karsten | darkoh: This is Debian. |
| 08:06.33 | karsten | darkoh: You install what you need. Not the whole fucking universe. |
| 08:07.02 | unix_infidel | lol @ "universe" |
| 08:07.09 | darkoh | lol |
| 08:07.09 | unix_infidel | pun intended. |
| 08:07.13 | karsten | darkoh: If you find a package you want, install it. There are also tasks and meta-packages (eg: gnome-desktop) which install larger sets of things. |
| 08:07.41 | darkoh | ok |
| 08:09.50 | karsten | darkoh: So, anything in particular you're dying to have ATM? |
| 08:10.07 | liable | everything! |
| 08:10.45 | karsten | !give liable everything |
| 08:11.01 | karsten | Another satisfied customer. |
| 08:11.27 | liable | meh, virtual everything :( |
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| 08:14.26 | karsten | liable: You're hard to please. |
| 08:14.36 | karsten | liable: I give you virtually everything and you *still* bitch. |
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| 08:17.17 | liable | i want more i tells ya! |
| 08:17.28 | liable | gimme gimme gimme |
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| 08:20.02 | liable | i need a hobby |
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| 08:21.54 | kgoetz | !key |
| 08:21.54 | dpkg | For the new apt key, download it with "gpg --recv-keys 6070d3a1", then verify in whatever way you normally do that it is signed by the Debian ftpmasters. you can then use "apt-key" to install it. |
| 08:21.56 | liable | other than irc :P |
| 08:22.47 | Coweater | irc controlled model trains |
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| 08:23.36 | liable | an irc controlled bot that fetches me beer would be a good start i guess |
| 08:24.13 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 08:24.19 | CcSsNET | and food |
| 08:25.06 | liable | yep, scoots down to the closest woodfired pizza shop |
| 08:25.42 | CcSsNET | sounds good lol i was just thinkin bout pizza |
| 08:25.44 | CcSsNET | grrrr |
| 08:25.45 | CcSsNET | brb |
| 08:26.20 | liable | i wonder if i can get pizza today |
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| 08:30.16 | CcSsNET | make some |
| 08:30.17 | CcSsNET | hehe |
| 08:30.59 | kgoetz | the key dpkg gave me isnt helping |
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| 08:31.07 | max_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.37 | CcSsNET | max_ try recording the output to an external device if really necisary |
| 08:31.38 | liable | kgoetz: debian repo? |
| 08:31.53 | max_ | what? |
| 08:31.54 | kgoetz | liable: i have lines for unstable and sid |
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| 08:32.10 | liable | kgoetz: no ther repos? |
| 08:32.17 | liable | other |
| 08:32.22 | kgoetz | liable: yes, a few others |
| 08:32.39 | liable | kgoetz: are you sure the warning is for the debian repo? |
| 08:32.47 | kgoetz | liable: yes |
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| 08:33.00 | streuner | liable: yeah, that's actually the right time to think about ;-) |
| 08:33.14 | liable | kgoetz: install debian-archive-keyring (or update it if installed) |
| 08:33.21 | liable | streuner: pizza? |
| 08:33.25 | streuner | yeah |
| 08:33.32 | kgoetz | liable: thanks, i'll try that |
| 08:33.48 | liable | i really want it now, but i dont think many shops are open today :( |
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| 08:34.54 | streuner | only gasstations are here open |
| 08:35.20 | liable | pretty much same here i think |
| 08:35.29 | liable | i dont even have a car atm |
| 08:35.39 | CcSsNET | apt-get update && apt-cache search local-brick-oven-pizza-shop |
| 08:35.41 | CcSsNET | lol |
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| 08:36.17 | liable | && open at xmas |
| 08:36.23 | CcSsNET | true |
| 08:36.54 | CcSsNET | eh just make one |
| 08:37.18 | liable | i am in a hotel, no oven!! |
| 08:37.25 | CcSsNET | hrmmm |
| 08:37.27 | CcSsNET | nvm |
| 08:37.30 | kgoetz | wonder if theres somewhere i can get chips round here |
| 08:38.14 | kgoetz | (open) |
| 08:38.17 | CcSsNET | ask the local chinease restaurant to make a pizza tell em youll give em 20 bucks for it |
| 08:38.24 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 08:39.06 | liable | lemon chicken pizza! |
| 08:39.12 | CcSsNET | maybe youll get a side of duck sauce haha |
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| 08:42.17 | sid | How can I have apt-get reinstall and overwrite packages for mplayer(including all dependencies) |
| 08:42.37 | CcSsNET | apt-get remove mplayer |
| 08:42.39 | sid | on a sarge system, with marillat repositories and main; |
| 08:42.45 | CcSsNET | apt-get install mplayet |
| 08:42.55 | sid | CcSsNET: That won't do it. |
| 08:42.59 | CcSsNET | try apt-cache search mplayer for other files |
| 08:43.10 | sid | gee, so helpful. |
| 08:43.11 | CcSsNET | or aptitude / dselect |
| 08:43.56 | CcSsNET | or try googling mplayer.deb or something similiar look for its dependancies and do each one |
| 08:43.58 | liable | why the need to verwrite all of em? |
| 08:44.06 | CcSsNET | out of all the methods there all the same |
| 08:44.24 | sid | liable: someone has a sarge box, and they added marillat repositories for sid, and tried to install mplayer. |
| 08:44.43 | kgoetz | sid: you better purge them all, tehn install them |
| 08:44.51 | sid | liable: So they're getting a lot of dependency issues, I figured it was easiest just to reinstall anything he might have got from sid, for the sarge box. |
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| 08:44.58 | liable | !reinstall |
| 08:44.58 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 08:45.08 | liable | will need a bit of tweaking |
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| 08:47.01 | liable | actually, that wont work at all |
| 08:47.39 | CcSsNET | proc not mounted is well a bigger problem then say a usb pen drive lol, well, hows the hardware? |
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| 08:58.31 | sid | !info libaa1 sarge |
| 08:58.43 | sid | 03:58 <dpkg> Package 'libaa1' does n |
| 08:58.47 | sid | ot exist |
| 08:58.58 | sid | hmm, sarge doesn't have libaa1? is that correct? |
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| 09:01.55 | kgoetz | sid: it may be called something different |
| 09:02.05 | sid | aalib1 |
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| 09:07.53 | bhundven | helo... I'm trying to figure out how to coax console-tools to allow me to setup ALT+PageUp to go to the previous terminal, and ALT+PageDown to go to the next terminal. I've seen this done in other dists, but I don't remember how it was setup. |
| 09:15.57 | `ns` | bhundven, why not ctrl-alt-F# ? |
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| 09:17.20 | bhundven | afaik, it's only alt-F#. idk. I got used to doing it, and I'm bad at breaking habbits. |
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| 09:18.29 | bhundven | I may have found solace in 'loadkeys' |
| 09:20.36 | `ns` | heheh. I've always used ctrl-alt-F# .... it's worked since hmmmm, I think '94 was the first time I tried linux .... didn't start using it seriously until about '00 |
| 09:20.55 | `ns` | but my memory is pretty bad too |
| 09:22.04 | bhundven | lol |
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| 09:26.15 | bhundven | hmm... after reading loadkeys(1) and checking out the keymap of choice, it now seems very easy to setup something like ctl-alt-left for prev, and ctl-alt-right for next. for those who use emacs, you don't need to leave your ctl or alt, or the keypad. |
| 09:26.50 | `ns` | bhundven, I think I was using a 120 and a 600 back then, both ESDI drives |
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| 09:28.00 | karma | How does one batch rename a group of files with a certain extension, say *.txt, to the same filenames except with .rar at the end? |
| 09:28.15 | `ns` | a screaming 386/40 .... and the 600 would only format 503?? since that was all the bios could handle |
| 09:28.19 | bhundven | man find |
| 09:28.28 | bhundven | check out the section on xargs |
| 09:29.41 | karma | bhundven: Is that in response to me? |
| 09:29.51 | bhundven | karma, yea. sorry about that |
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| 09:33.27 | `ns` | how large is the group, karma .... it might be faster to do manually, than to investigate and figure out. Of course once you do figure it out, you should have a handy method forever... |
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| 09:34.55 | kgoetz | hwo can i install from a particular version? i want to install a sid package, but my other sources.list stuff is different |
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| 09:39.44 | Gge | Install of Etch_rc1 is successfully completed . For wireless connection to Internet , I had just to install the ipw2200 version 1.1.1 firmaware in /lib/firmawre . What has to be don eto have it included in "Etch_rc2" ? |
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| 09:46.37 | liable | !firmware |
| 09:46.52 | dn4 | how do I get an updated version of wine for sarge |
| 09:46.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Where can I download Sid for AMD64? |
| 09:47.27 | liable | there was discussion about this, i dunno what the devs decided would be the case for firmware. i dont think intels liscence allows free distribution |
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| 09:51.14 | cahoot | Dark_Apostrophe: don't know if there is one |
| 09:51.43 | cahoot | Dark_Apostrophe: I used the etch amd64 and dist-upgraded |
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| 09:52.50 | dn4 | can you go from sarge to etch by just changing the source.list and doing apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?? |
| 09:53.27 | liable | yes |
| 09:54.34 | bhundven | karma: I was wrong. the best tool to use is rename(1) which comes with perl, which should be installed. Here is an example: rename 's/.c$/.html/' *.c |
| 09:55.29 | bhundven | crap. you have to escape that first period with \ so: rename 's/\.c$/.html/' *.c |
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| 10:07.24 | groton | hello all. i have a debian/unstable distro installed, and firefox is not starting, any hint? |
| 10:08.01 | groton | s/firefox/iceweasel |
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| 10:09.53 | bhundven | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.37 | groton | ah, let me remove that file. i tryed to strace it, but i havent been able to spot the error in there |
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| 10:11.22 | groton | nothing to do, it just recreated that directory |
| 10:11.38 | bhundven | yikes strace iceweasel would be insane. ldd /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 10:11.39 | Zap-W | need info about getting publick keys for downloading debs from repositories |
| 10:12.11 | groton | "not a dynamic executable" |
| 10:12.26 | bhundven | oh yea. |
| 10:13.30 | groton | ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open |
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| 10:14.28 | CharminTheMoose | merry christmas everyone! |
| 10:14.36 | bhundven | ^^ |
| 10:14.41 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 10:15.04 | groton | bhundven, i installed libmozjs, but still can find that .so :/ |
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| 10:15.50 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose: I had mine early as I have to work the call centre sunday and monday |
| 10:16.10 | Zap-W | W: GPG error: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 10:16.25 | CharminTheMoose | quick question:When creating deb packages does it really matter what processor you compiled it on?should you also have EVERYTHING necesarry so configure doesn't complain that it can't find something? |
| 10:18.23 | mc__ | hello,im on amd64(Athlon X2) my system freezes about every 5 second for one sec |
| 10:18.51 | cahoot | dmesg is of no use? |
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| 10:18.56 | mc__ | and my pc makes a strange noise at that moment |
| 10:18.58 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose: you'd have to have a cross-compiler and binutils for the output platform |
| 10:19.52 | CharminTheMoose | is the gcc a cross compiler? or would i have to get one? |
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| 10:20.20 | CharminTheMoose | the binutils? |
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| 10:21.43 | groton | bhundven, i fixed all the .so file dependency of /usr/lib/firefox-bin, but still it cant start... any other hint? |
| 10:22.05 | bhundven | groton, yea... Idk |
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| 10:23.42 | groton | bhundven, me too |
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| 10:26.43 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose, sorry I ment to say toolchain. You see, you can build gcc for one platform; will say i386 for this example, and we can have an output binary format for the target platform; which will use powerpc. So you'd build gcc on your i386 for i386, but outputs powerpc binaries. this is 'the guide': http://kegel.com/crosstool/ |
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| 10:27.25 | bhundven | you have to have glibc and binutils build to output the target platforms binaries as well. |
| 10:27.32 | bhundven | which is explained in that howto |
| 10:28.15 | CharminTheMoose | what if i wish to build for x86 in general? |
| 10:28.33 | CharminTheMoose | and i have a 686 and not a 386? |
| 10:28.44 | groton | bhundven, puring firefox and the reinstaliing iceweasel did the trick :) |
| 10:28.52 | groton | s/puring/purging |
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| 10:29.19 | bhundven | nice |
| 10:29.27 | yang | How does a "proposal" for a package update works. Is the package maintainer the only person that can update the package? |
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| 10:30.02 | liable | pretty much |
| 10:31.01 | yang | liable: but is it any use to notify the maintainer about the new versions? |
| 10:31.10 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose: the only thing you really need built for the platform your running on is the kernel, as it's the only thing really accessing the hardware. Other apps that need hardware access or that can take advantage of processor features should be built for your specific platform. Otherwise I don't know what the advantage of optimizing ls or grep. |
| 10:31.11 | liable | yes, file a wishlist bug |
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| 10:33.35 | yang | liable: I submit a bug to mailto:submit@bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 10:34.02 | liable | or use reportbug |
| 10:34.16 | aventis | hello |
| 10:34.24 | yang | liable: but i don't know if it will be considered...becouse it's not a bug it's just a wish for an update... |
| 10:34.27 | CharminTheMoose | hm |
| 10:34.33 | aventis | i wanna ask one question |
| 10:34.45 | CharminTheMoose | can someon give me a good reason for using file system visualizers? |
| 10:35.17 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 10:35.27 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: shiny pretty precious |
| 10:36.02 | aventis | will Etch ( stable version ) have separate kde cds as like in current testing one ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 10:38.29 | liable | aventis: apparently |
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| 10:40.14 | liable | aventis: you really only need the netinstaller anyway, but if you want a full iso, yes |
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| 10:41.22 | CharminTheMoose | i selected expand all in fsv on the /usr/share directory and now my entire system is going haywire and expanding the entire directory tree as tree that stretchs out for millions of virtual miles in fantabulouss opengl greatness and it's eating all my ram! |
| 10:41.31 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.42 | CharminTheMoose | and my processing power |
| 10:41.43 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: take off and nuke it from orbit |
| 10:42.05 | liable | aventis: no |
| 10:42.20 | CharminTheMoose | my tower case has got anti radiation protection!noes! |
| 10:42.20 | liable | aventis: why would you want to do that? |
| 10:42.32 | CharminTheMoose | well not really but it'd be funny if it did |
| 10:42.42 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.57 | aventis | im on dial up , wanted to save myself from redownloading the isos once stable are released but anyways i will wait till Etch stable is released and will then get kde cds only |
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| 10:45.14 | bhundven | aventis: I've been using the same install since woody. I wouldn't worry about the install cd. |
| 10:45.48 | liable | upgrading woody to etch on dialup would be painfull |
| 10:45.53 | bhundven | indeed |
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| 10:46.13 | aventis | it is :) |
| 10:46.41 | liable | aventis: seeing as etch is frozen, you should be able to track it without too much problem on dialup |
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| 10:47.02 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,what's that program that monitors your internet connection in a terminal window/cli? |
| 10:47.05 | aventis | we dont have any expected date for etch stable release yet ? |
| 10:47.21 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,what's that program that monitors your internet connection in a terminal window/cli? |
| 10:47.30 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose: tcpdump, tshark, wireshark... |
| 10:47.31 | CharminTheMoose | as in download/upload |
| 10:47.36 | cahoot | irssi |
| 10:47.40 | bhundven | nc |
| 10:47.52 | liable | ntop? |
| 10:47.55 | aventis | liable: aventis: seeing as etch is frozen, you should be able to track it without too much problem on dialup....so can i go ahead for downloading kde cd safely? |
| 10:48.03 | bhundven | netstat? |
| 10:48.11 | bhundven | ifconfig... lol |
| 10:48.26 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose: can you be a bit more specific? |
| 10:48.50 | comsa | snort |
| 10:48.50 | liable | aventis: how are you gonna download the iso? not on dialup i hope? |
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| 10:49.24 | liable | ntop ftw |
| 10:49.27 | christopher_l | does any know how to remove Ruby 1.8.5, if you built it from source? |
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| 10:49.40 | liable | make uninstall |
| 10:49.43 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.51 | liable | or make -n install and remove manually |
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| 10:49.59 | CharminTheMoose | i'll try ntop |
| 10:50.11 | liable | aventis: cant go to a net cafe and download it? |
| 10:50.31 | liable | it would take days to get a full iso on dialup |
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| 10:50.48 | aventis | they have dial up too, it takes me 48 to hours to get a 700mb cd |
| 10:51.09 | bhundven | liable: it's not a bad idea if the debit collectors keep calling you... |
| 10:51.16 | CharminTheMoose | there was a program that gave you how much you've downloaded/uploaded and how much you currently downloaded/uploaded |
| 10:51.34 | bhundven | CharminTheMoose, ah. mrtg |
| 10:51.39 | bhundven | & net-snmp |
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| 10:51.49 | comsa | gpppkill ?? |
| 10:51.54 | bhundven | lol |
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| 10:52.22 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:52.40 | christopher_l | liable: doesn't work with make uninstall if built from source, suggestions how to make it manually? |
| 10:52.47 | liable | aventis: yes |
| 10:53.10 | aventis | last question, then i need to crash :) |
| 10:53.12 | liable | christopher_l: make -n install, see where it puts stuff and delete |
| 10:53.56 | bhundven | christopher_l: if you download the same version tarball from ruby-lang.org and configure it the exact same way. after running ./configure (your args) you should be able to type make uninstall |
| 10:54.07 | aventis | liable: what is different in this live from routine version? http://live.debian.net/debian-cd/20061002/i386/debian-live-etch-i386-kde.iso |
| 10:54.39 | tarzeau | abrotman!! |
| 10:54.42 | liable | aventis: its a live cd, not an installer. ie, it runs from the cd |
| 10:54.44 | tarzeau | does someone remember space ace? http://www.randelshofer.ch/animations/anims/don_bluth/SpaceAce.animVE.html |
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| 10:55.22 | aventis | liable: thanks, you are very kind |
| 10:56.19 | aventis | so http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso is the frozen one and i can start downloading it ? |
| 10:56.22 | bhundven | tarzeau, no, but I remember number crunchers on the appleIIe |
| 10:56.27 | liable | aventis: you're welcome |
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| 10:57.16 | noona | hi |
| 10:57.17 | noona | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.38 | liable | aventis: etch is frozen, but that cd isnt the final installer. however, you shouldnt have to upgrade *too much* until its officially stable. If |
| 10:57.54 | tarzeau | bhundven: and pang? |
| 10:58.00 | tarzeau | or even super pang on amiga? |
| 10:58.31 | bhundven | meh... I didn't have an amiga... I had a ti99-a4 |
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| 10:59.00 | aventis | liable: can you pass my any link of etch frozen isos? |
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| 10:59.13 | bhundven | with the peripheral tower \m/ |
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| 10:59.32 | jooopyme | What is now the stable version of debian? Sarge? |
| 10:59.52 | tarzeau | jooopyme: yes |
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| 11:00.07 | stauki | I have a problem with a file it's indestructeble |
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| 11:00.27 | stauki | root doesn't even have permission to list it |
| 11:00.27 | jooopyme | I was told that a new stable is out very soon?! when? |
| 11:00.30 | liable | !d-i |
| 11:00.30 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 11:00.31 | jooopyme | Will the stable be Sid? |
| 11:00.36 | liable | aventis: ^^^ |
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| 11:00.40 | blondie | jooopyme: no, etch |
| 11:01.00 | jooopyme | blondie: what with sid? |
| 11:01.07 | blondie | sid will never be stable |
| 11:01.14 | liable | aventis: as i said, they arent the official installer, etch is only frozen, as in, they arent putting new apps in, just fixing bugs |
| 11:01.15 | aventis | thanks dpkg and liable , im grateful to you guys |
| 11:01.16 | dpkg | aventis: bitte |
| 11:01.17 | jooopyme | blondie: ah ok |
| 11:01.28 | streuner | haha |
| 11:01.32 | blondie | aventis: dpkg is a bot |
| 11:01.40 | jooopyme | When is the release date of etch? |
| 11:01.46 | blondie | !wir |
| 11:01.46 | dpkg | somebody said wir was When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:01.48 | aventis | good bot :) |
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| 11:03.33 | jooopyme | Ubuntu server is supported for 5 years security patch, is there something like this in debian? I need this argument for my boss ;) |
| 11:04.02 | aventis | im crashing, see you guys laters |
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| 11:04.32 | dezent | jooopyme: debians logo is good looking |
| 11:04.53 | blondie | well, woody had security updates for 4 years |
| 11:04.58 | jooopyme | dezent: well, it depends |
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| 11:05.01 | CcSsNET | jooopyme, well ubuntu wouldnt exist if debian didnt |
| 11:05.03 | christopher_l | bhundven: i don't understand what you mean, should I download source code again? |
| 11:05.06 | CcSsNET | so thats argument enough |
| 11:05.10 | obstfliege | moin moin! |
| 11:05.13 | CcSsNET | ubuntu us debian plain and simple |
| 11:05.20 | blondie | obstfliege: mediawiki! |
| 11:05.22 | CcSsNET | just modified in good and bad ways |
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| 11:05.31 | blondie | ubuntu is not debian :D |
| 11:05.42 | dezent | i think the desktop-part of ubuntu is really nice |
| 11:05.55 | CharminTheMoose | ubuntu is not debian |
| 11:05.56 | dezent | but the rest is to untested |
| 11:06.00 | jooopyme | dezent: but its for server |
| 11:06.02 | yang | liable: what can i do now...i found a "wishlist" report dated 120 days ago, submited by an other person allready. Is this package maintainer totally absent? |
| 11:06.08 | obstfliege | blondie: what do you mean? |
| 11:06.11 | dezent | jooopyme: why use ubuntu ? use debian |
| 11:06.23 | CcSsNET | im not guna even bother, you guys keep telling yourselfs its not. ill be elsewhere |
| 11:06.29 | blondie | obstfliege: you named a wiki, so so did I |
| 11:06.44 | CharminTheMoose | excellent for my christmas today:One usb hub and one 250GB externel harddrive |
| 11:06.44 | jooopyme | please give me something for my boss that want support for 5 years |
| 11:06.47 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 11:06.47 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 11:06.55 | blondie | jooopyme: windows ;) |
| 11:06.58 | dezent | CcSsNET: they changed the logo, it cant be debian ! |
| 11:07.10 | CharminTheMoose | are certain usb hubs supported by linux? |
| 11:07.10 | obstfliege | blondie: ah yeah, but "moin moin" means also hello or good morning |
| 11:07.11 | bhundven | christopher_l: right the tarball in my previous comment is the tar.(gz|bz2) that contains the source for ruby. |
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| 11:07.55 | bhundven | christopher_l: did you build ruby by downloading a source archive and then build it, or did you use 'apt-get source ruby' |
| 11:09.22 | christopher_l | bhundven: I downloaded source archive from Ruby-lang.org |
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| 11:09.45 | dn4 | where is the source.list for unstable? |
| 11:09.57 | blondie | sources.list is always in /etc/apt |
| 11:10.03 | dezent | dn4: /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:11.12 | dn4 | so if I want to go from stable to unstable I just put in un infront of stable do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?? |
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| 11:12.22 | CcSsNET | apt-get dist-upgrade maybe a better choice |
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| 11:13.00 | dn4 | CcSsNET: would I still need to alter the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:13.11 | CcSsNET | yes |
| 11:13.24 | CcSsNET | that first |
| 11:13.30 | CcSsNET | then apt-get update |
| 11:13.39 | CcSsNET | then pick one of those others to use |
| 11:13.46 | dn4 | ok CcSsNET should I be in xserver while this upgrade is going on or should I drop back to init2 console |
| 11:13.46 | CcSsNET | research why there difrent |
| 11:13.58 | CcSsNET | console is always safer |
| 11:14.12 | CcSsNET | less is in use |
| 11:14.29 | dn4 | ok |
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| 11:17.45 | sam | hello |
| 11:17.46 | christopher_l | how can you search for packages in apt-get? |
| 11:17.53 | stauki | sam hello |
| 11:17.59 | xingu | apt-cache search |
| 11:18.13 | christopher_l | thanks |
| 11:18.30 | bhundven | that will search all packages. if you only want to search installed packages, you could do: dpkg -l |
| 11:18.41 | sam | hello |
| 11:18.42 | christopher_l | ok |
| 11:18.44 | sam | stauki |
| 11:18.50 | sam | how are you |
| 11:18.50 | dpkg | sam: pretty good. how about you? |
| 11:18.57 | CcSsNET | or you could use dselect or aptitude for a menu system |
| 11:18.59 | sam | fine |
| 11:19.11 | stauki | sam, fine u? |
| 11:19.16 | sam | fine |
| 11:19.25 | sam | what are you doing |
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| 11:20.41 | stauki | sam trying to delete a file |
| 11:21.18 | stauki | root can't list or delete it |
| 11:22.26 | CcSsNET | stauki, try chown -R root said.file |
| 11:22.47 | CcSsNET | then as root delete again with rm -rf said.file |
| 11:22.53 | CcSsNET | if it doesnt work i dunno |
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| 11:23.54 | kgoetz | is tehre a place i can downlaod a file with the debian repo gpg key in it? i need it for apt-key import |
| 11:24.08 | blondie | kgoetz: did you read the topic |
| 11:24.11 | stauki | CcSsNET, doesn't work allredy tried that |
| 11:24.48 | kgoetz | blondie: yes, and what the bot told me about 'apt key' didnt work. |
| 11:24.48 | CcSsNET | well when you figure it out, it its odd. send me a private msg with what happened |
| 11:25.32 | stauki | I'm using reiserfs and that's the problem |
| 11:25.57 | CcSsNET | o really? |
| 11:26.19 | CcSsNET | im a big ext3 fan |
| 11:26.21 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 11:27.19 | stauki | I will reinstall the base system and use ext3 this time |
| 11:27.39 | CcSsNET | ext2 if its slower then 300mhz id recommend that |
| 11:27.42 | christopher_l | does anyone know what's the latest Ruby version you can download with apt-get? |
| 11:28.26 | bhundven | ii ruby 1.8.2-1 An interpreter of object-oriented scripting |
| 11:28.28 | bhundven | from sid |
| 11:28.33 | bhundven | try packages.debian.org |
| 11:28.42 | christopher_l | thanks |
| 11:28.44 | bhundven | np |
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| 11:29.04 | DevilChaos | hi folks merry christmas |
| 11:29.12 | stauki | DevilChaos, hi |
| 11:30.32 | liable | yang: no idea. mot much you can do, except package it yourself and try submitting it to debian-mentors if you really want it. |
| 11:31.21 | DevilChaos | he he im still fighting with my laptop reading bout how acpi works with a howto yeehaa im going to rip it to the CORE! |
| 11:31.27 | kgoetz | oh, grrr. still have errors. different errors, but errors all the same |
| 11:31.32 | yang | liable: well i guess there are also others that monitor the other packages....so if one doesn't get updated for long they monitor it? |
| 11:31.53 | DevilChaos | plug and play hardware kicks ass |
| 11:31.54 | liable | yang: not really. |
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| 11:33.26 | DevilChaos | tried fedora core yesterday and today on my laptop with a different hd and it is officially guffffffffff ! |
| 11:33.40 | pythonic | christopher_l: testing/unstable have ruby 1.8.5 |
| 11:33.50 | liable | whats guff? |
| 11:34.06 | DevilChaos | garbage |
| 11:34.06 | pythonic | http://packages.debian.org/testing/interpreters/ruby1.8 |
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| 11:34.43 | pythonic | http://packages.debian.org/testing/interpreters/ruby1.9 |
| 11:35.36 | DevilChaos | i didnt like it because i cant specify the repositorys or find things i want correctly found all my hardware though but thats no better than debain can do |
| 11:36.10 | DevilChaos | debian is still far superior to the rest in my eyes |
| 11:37.36 | DevilChaos | what wireless card pcmcia is most compatable with debian? |
| 11:37.40 | yang | liable: well if the package hasn't been updated in the last 4 months it's a big chance that maintainer is not interested any longer in maintaining that package |
| 11:37.47 | yang | liable: and should be replaced |
| 11:38.09 | DevilChaos | i was looking a 2 or 3 yesterday and didnt know what one to get |
| 11:38.21 | liable | yang: are you willing to replace that maintainer? |
| 11:38.55 | yang | liable: first i need to read about the packaging system |
| 11:39.24 | liable | yang: abandoned packages is covered in the nm guide. have a read of it. |
| 11:39.27 | liable | !nm |
| 11:39.27 | dpkg | somebody said nm was New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
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| 11:39.56 | bhundven | DevilChaos: actually, linux drivers are based off of chipset support rather then whole cards. It depends on what chips the wireless card uses. For instance. I have a netgear wg311T that uses a atheros chip, which is (non-free) supported |
| 11:39.56 | yang | liable: i guess maintainer needs to have some programming skills too, in case something gets wrong with that software, so he knows how to resolve it? |
| 11:40.28 | rhalff | hi trying to get ldap running to serve system users, but wondering if there is something available that allready provides such a setup for isp's, maybe with something more like installation management and stuff. |
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| 11:41.06 | liable | yang: helps, but not neccesarily. you can pass bugs upstream. have a read of the guide, it explains quite a bit of the sort of questions you are asking |
| 11:41.59 | yang | liable: will do |
| 11:42.09 | DevilChaos | bhundven: i c thats exellent what laptop are you running debian on?# |
| 11:43.17 | bhundven | DevilChaos: um. well. that w-nic is in my pc hosting my wlan, and in my laptop I have an rt2500. it's a POS and it has crap for range. But it's way opensource, but via dropped the ball on delivering good drivers. |
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| 11:43.58 | sam | hello |
| 11:44.05 | sam | what is debian |
| 11:44.16 | sam | who give answer |
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| 11:44.40 | DevilChaos | bhundven: that kinda sucks is it 10m range? |
| 11:45.07 | bhundven | DevilChaos: na, it's the builtin on the Averatec 3715-EH1 |
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| 11:45.32 | bhundven | DevilChaos: its a ripoff of an MSI laptop |
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| 11:45.49 | DevilChaos | yeah microstar |
| 11:46.20 | earthian | hello is ~20 GB partition enough for a linux entire system without user data? |
| 11:46.25 | DevilChaos | im trying to get acpidump in root console but says command not found what package do i need for that? |
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| 11:46.35 | earthian | i.e. i am planning to make 20gb root partition and 500gb /home |
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| 11:46.51 | DevilChaos | 500 gigs of home |
| 11:46.59 | liable | earthian: easily, 5G is usually enough unless you install a shitload of things |
| 11:47.11 | earthian | well.. i will install shitloads of things :) |
| 11:47.16 | DevilChaos | just do a 30gig home then use another partition as archive space |
| 11:47.55 | DevilChaos | thats what i do as if the system goes down for any reason you still have all your shit in the archive partition |
| 11:47.57 | bhundven | wholy crap. it's 3:48am PST. I need sleep. |
| 11:48.01 | earthian | DevilChaos: i have a 500gb raid0 partition to use with /home and there will me such dirs like /home/video /home/mp3 /home/allotherstuff |
| 11:48.04 | earthian | :) |
| 11:48.29 | earthian | and /home/fat32_disk |
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| 11:48.40 | DevilChaos | you can still do that in the other partition though ull regret it if you ever brteak your system |
| 11:48.47 | earthian | where i will mount a partition that will be accessible from windows too |
| 11:48.49 | DevilChaos | break |
| 11:49.06 | earthian | i already broke my system so now reinstalling :) |
| 11:49.14 | bhundven | good night and happy holidays to all, ho's ho's ho's |
| 11:49.16 | earthian | moving from amd64 -> i386 |
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| 11:49.21 | DevilChaos | urg winblows get rid of it you dont need that either |
| 11:49.30 | DevilChaos | why? |
| 11:49.38 | earthian | DevilChaos: i want to play some game during holidays... |
| 11:49.42 | earthian | like oblivion |
| 11:49.45 | earthian | :) |
| 11:49.47 | DevilChaos | aah |
| 11:49.50 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 11:49.54 | earthian | thats all. |
| 11:50.17 | earthian | linux will have over 500gb space and windows around 20gb :) |
| 11:50.25 | earthian | <3 |
| 11:51.19 | DevilChaos | bhundven: where you at for it to be 3.48am? |
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| 11:51.35 | earthian | hello again. one more question |
| 11:51.39 | Zap-W | how does Release.gpg work ? is every package in the repository signed? |
| 11:52.09 | earthian | what do you think about installing a i386 debian with debootstrap under amd64 one? is there a chance that something will screwup? |
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| 11:52.53 | earthian | and what are the basic packages that i will need when i will restart pc into that new /target partition? |
| 11:53.27 | earthian | i.e. the debootstrap will install all basic things. is there the pppoe stuff? what about something else? |
| 11:54.23 | earthian | mh.. i think the latter question is not good. anyway i just wonder if i should better download a bootable debian etch 32bit ISO or if i should continue installing on a /target partition? |
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| 11:57.24 | DevilChaos | 32bit iso |
| 11:57.46 | DevilChaos | is windblows already installed? |
| 11:57.57 | DevilChaos | if not do that first |
| 11:58.18 | jooopyme | I need to install mono unstable to stable distro. What is the best way to do it? |
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| 12:02.08 | sciboy | Quick question. |
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| 12:02.49 | sciboy | What is required for debian to autodetect my hardware and put most of the relevant values into my Xorg.conf? |
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| 12:04.43 | DevilChaos | hardware detection package hald udev and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and it should detect the thing reqiured what graphics card do you have? |
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| 12:05.17 | DevilChaos | !xorg |
| 12:05.21 | dpkg | somebody said xorg was X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
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| 12:05.47 | DevilChaos | !xserver |
| 12:07.09 | DevilChaos | sciboy:have you got those things installed yes you should already have them? |
| 12:07.18 | sciboy | hald? |
| 12:07.32 | DevilChaos | hardware abstrction layer |
| 12:07.39 | DevilChaos | daemon |
| 12:07.58 | sciboy | Yup. |
| 12:08.02 | DevilChaos | what package manager do you use dselect or aptitude? |
| 12:08.08 | sciboy | Still uses "Generic Monitor" etc. values. |
| 12:08.54 | liable | if you have hand edited the file, or use another program, dpkg wont change it |
| 12:09.07 | DevilChaos | why not? |
| 12:09.51 | sciboy | Anyway, i already dropped in the settings from lspci by hand |
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| 12:10.26 | DevilChaos | sciboy: ok so restart by /etc/init.d/x11-common restart |
| 12:10.46 | sciboy | Actually i just restarted gdm. |
| 12:10.49 | sciboy | =) |
| 12:10.51 | DevilChaos | then type gdm or kdm whatever |
| 12:11.09 | DevilChaos | has it worked? |
| 12:11.28 | sciboy | Never mind, i was actually asking that other question out of curiosity. |
| 12:11.32 | sciboy | For future setups. |
| 12:11.35 | DevilChaos | lol ok |
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| 12:16.00 | Zap-W | what is Xen in linux-image packages and vserver? |
| 12:16.44 | Zap-W | ? |
| 12:17.31 | sciboy | I think it's virtualisation software or something. |
| 12:17.36 | liable | apt-cache show |
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| 12:18.03 | ViadinhoMAU | ai |
| 12:18.08 | ViadinhoMAU | invadam me |
| 12:18.22 | Zap-W | apt-cache show is dumb |
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| 12:18.56 | ViadinhoMAU | my ip is 200.155.194.254 |
| 12:19.01 | threat2 | Zap-W: I bet you apt-cache is thinking the same thing about you :) |
| 12:19.07 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: harrah! |
| 12:19.13 | ViadinhoMAU | i'm powerfull user |
| 12:19.30 | ViadinhoMAU | my pc is invencible |
| 12:19.36 | ViadinhoMAU | my ip is 200.155.194.254 |
| 12:19.47 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.48 | sciboy | O_O |
| 12:19.59 | sciboy | ... My pc just made a really nasty grinding noise. |
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| 12:20.12 | ViadinhoMAU | pngwn fuuuuck you |
| 12:20.14 | liable | its hungry! |
| 12:20.31 | ViadinhoMAU | i'm a fagg |
| 12:20.33 | sciboy | It stopped just as quickly but, in all the dying fans, hard drives etc. i've never heard that before. |
| 12:20.46 | ViadinhoMAU | my ip is 200.155.194.254 anybody can see |
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| 12:20.58 | ChristmasMoose | ignore the trolls |
| 12:21.13 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: are you high? |
| 12:21.35 | liable | !ops ViadinhoMAU would like a +b |
| 12:21.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: liable complains about: ViadinhoMAU would like a +b |
| 12:21.51 | threat2 | yeah |
| 12:21.56 | threat2 | liable: what would I be? |
| 12:22.01 | threat2 | a -b ? |
| 12:22.11 | yang | what tool do i need to install Extra TTF fonts? |
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| 12:22.23 | threat2 | yang: apt-get |
| 12:22.29 | ChristmasMoose | ops,ViadinhoMAU isn't being festive!;) |
| 12:22.42 | ViadinhoMAU | my ip is 200.155.194.254 anybody can see, faggests |
| 12:22.43 | threat2 | heh |
| 12:22.45 | yang | threat2: no i got a .ttf font on a drive i want to install it |
| 12:22.52 | threat2 | yang: do it |
| 12:22.55 | ViadinhoMAU | liable fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk youuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 12:23.01 | threat2 | yang: /usr/share/fonts/ttf/ |
| 12:23.03 | threat2 | I think |
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| 12:23.07 | threat2 | or similar |
| 12:23.12 | threat2 | yang: dump it in there |
| 12:23.15 | ViadinhoMAU | my pc is powerfull |
| 12:23.16 | yang | ok |
| 12:23.20 | ChristmasMoose | !ops ViadinhoMAU isn't being festive! He's being a troll |
| 12:23.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: christmasmoose complains about: ViadinhoMAU isn't being festive! He's being a troll |
| 12:23.32 | DevilChaos | ViadinhoMAU: what are you flamming at ? |
| 12:23.37 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: your PC is crap |
| 12:23.55 | ViadinhoMAU | my pc have a power OS |
| 12:24.08 | threat2 | a what? |
| 12:24.10 | ViadinhoMAU | my pc uses windows vista |
| 12:24.18 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: does your mum know your using it? |
| 12:24.27 | DevilChaos | heh |
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| 12:25.07 | ViadinhoMAU | take access administrative faggests |
| 12:25.13 | ViadinhoMAU | lol |
| 12:25.26 | ViadinhoMAU | i have various open ports |
| 12:25.31 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: great |
| 12:25.37 | Hyper_ch | help :) got some strange problem: I use rsync/hardlinks to create backups from an ubuntu desktop and windows desktop... I use "date" to create a date string like YYYY-MM-DD__H:mm - so far so good, it look ok when I ssh into the debian box.... but when I look at it throught the shared (read only) samba as network ressources the folders are being displayed like: 2KLG3D~R or 2EPVQA~I Why is that so? |
| 12:25.46 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: are you a honeypot? :) |
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| 12:26.01 | DevilChaos | this aint ubunto got to #ubunto!!!! |
| 12:26.03 | liable | crackpot |
| 12:26.15 | DevilChaos | heh ubuntu |
| 12:26.29 | liable | didnt he say debian too? |
| 12:26.48 | DevilChaos | oops |
| 12:26.50 | ViadinhoMAU | yeah , like vere do honeypot |
| 12:26.57 | ViadinhoMAU | yeah , like very do honeypot |
| 12:27.30 | ViadinhoMAU | shutdowm-me guys |
| 12:27.42 | ViadinhoMAU | my ip is 200.155.194.254 , go on |
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| 12:27.56 | DevilChaos | liable: ive just ran acpitool -B and it has spat some crap at me saying that /proc/acpi isnt there what can i do about this? |
| 12:28.14 | Hyper_ch | DevilChaos: so, any suggestion why the folder names of the debian backup dirs are displayed so strangely? I even changed locale to UTF8.... the strange thing is, in ubuntu and winxp the folders look equally strange... while when I ssh into the server they look ok |
| 12:28.37 | liable | DevilChaos: acpi modules loaded? |
| 12:29.05 | DevilChaos | hyper: sorry dude i dont know |
| 12:29.37 | DevilChaos | liable: thinkm so i compiled them with module assistant last time i had a go at this |
| 12:29.52 | liable | lsmod |
| 12:30.05 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: at this point I am considering questioning your sexuality. |
| 12:30.34 | cahoot | why feed him? |
| 12:30.36 | Hyper_ch | DevilChaos: oh forgot to say, there's a 2.4 kernel... I couldn't install debian using the 2.6 kernel... upon selection of language (or place) it would freeze the keyboard |
| 12:31.19 | DevilChaos | liable: its not there |
| 12:31.23 | DevilChaos | recompile? |
| 12:31.30 | ViadinhoMAU | ahahahahah |
| 12:31.43 | ViadinhoMAU | My pc is powerfull with windows vista |
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| 12:31.48 | DevilChaos | threat2: boot hime or something hes un productive and annoying |
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| 12:32.04 | threat2 | DevilChaos: yeah |
| 12:32.05 | ViadinhoMAU | threat2 i'm gayyyyyyyyyyy |
| 12:32.12 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: that explains alot |
| 12:32.13 | Hyper_ch | DevilChaos: me? recompiling? rotflmao *smile* I'm happy to know how to use apt-get :) |
| 12:32.47 | DevilChaos | hyper: no sorry im not talking to you that was liable i was asking i havent got a clue about your problem sorry |
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| 12:33.16 | liable | if youve already compiled acpi modules, just modprobe them |
| 12:33.16 | ViadinhoMAU | threat2 a motherfucker |
| 12:33.29 | ViadinhoMAU | Linux is trash |
| 12:33.37 | Hyper_ch | DevilChaos: how can I *easily* get a 2.6 kernel now? maybe that helps? |
| 12:34.17 | DevilChaos | someone get rid of him PLEASE! |
| 12:34.23 | DevilChaos | ViadinhoMAU!!!!!! |
| 12:34.26 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: haha |
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| 12:34.37 | cahoot | why not simply /ignore? |
| 12:34.37 | ViadinhoMAU | linux é coisa de gente tosca |
| 12:34.46 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: I think you need a good rough shag. |
| 12:34.59 | DevilChaos | ViadinhoMAU: you suck dick now fuck off!!!! |
| 12:35.04 | cahoot | threat2: for god's sake |
| 12:35.10 | jatt | uh? |
| 12:35.14 | threat2 | cahoot: hehe yeah, I should stop that ay |
| 12:35.15 | ViadinhoMAU | threat2 go use freebsd is best than linux your pig |
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| 12:35.32 | sam | merry christmas to all people |
| 12:35.34 | ViadinhoMAU | your dick is little |
| 12:35.44 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: best than linux ay, your grammer is best than engrish |
| 12:35.48 | threat2 | sam: ditto |
| 12:36.14 | jatt | not everybody knows how to use /ignore, and these guys are really annoying. Is there an operator here to get rid off them? Thanks. |
| 12:36.15 | threat2 | any way |
| 12:36.20 | threat2 | lets debian |
| 12:36.29 | ViadinhoMAU | threat2 your dick is very very very little |
| 12:36.49 | threat2 | yes /ignore works quite well |
| 12:36.58 | threat2 | ViadinhoMAU: keep on talking :) I can't hear a word your saying. |
| 12:37.07 | liable | ops have been asked, they seem to be having xmas dinner. just ignore him and he'll get bored |
| 12:37.22 | jatt | ok, ignoring thread2 and ViadinhoMAU now, thanks |
| 12:37.30 | ViadinhoMAU | threat2 fuck self babe |
| 12:37.36 | liable | threat2: stop it please. |
| 12:37.36 | threat2 | jatt: thread2? |
| 12:37.40 | threat2 | liable: what? |
| 12:37.50 | ViadinhoMAU | my ip is 200.155.194.254 , go on |
| 12:37.55 | liable | threat2: feeding the fucking troll |
| 12:37.58 | threat2 | liable: oh |
| 12:38.03 | threat2 | liable: I have ignored him now |
| 12:38.07 | ViadinhoMAU | ;) |
| 12:38.16 | threat2 | liable: I won't be talking to him |
| 12:38.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 12:38.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@200.155.194.254] by peterS |
| 12:38.21 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 12:38.27 | threat2 | haha |
| 12:38.31 | threat2 | pwned |
| 12:38.49 | jatt | please do |
| 12:38.53 | peterS | I normally ask people if they have anything debian-related to discuss, first, but it seems pretty clear he doesn't |
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| 12:39.09 | DevilChaos | im talking with ircops now |
| 12:39.30 | threat2 | peterS: is there a 64bit version of debian and its packages? |
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| 12:39.33 | liable | thanks |
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| 12:39.52 | peterS | threat2: uh, Debian supports several 64-bit architectures |
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| 12:40.14 | peterS | threat2: though I believe alpha and amd64 are the only ones where the majority of the distribution is compiled as 64-bit code |
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| 12:40.43 | threat2 | xeon 64bit? |
| 12:40.55 | peterS | wait, sorry, ia64 is too |
| 12:40.59 | threat2 | great |
| 12:41.00 | peterS | xeon is just an amd64 clone |
| 12:41.05 | threat2 | peterS: isn |
| 12:41.09 | threat2 | t that the other way around? |
| 12:41.13 | kgoetz | ia64, amd64, alpha, sparc |
| 12:41.15 | peterS | what? |
| 12:41.23 | kgoetz | are 4 i can think of off the top o f my head |
| 12:41.25 | threat2 | peterS: isn't the AMD a x86 clone? |
| 12:41.29 | Malagmyr | What parameters would I have to pass to screen to make it create a new screen if there isn't one, and otherwise attach to the session that's already there? I've got this shell account where I run a few things, and I want a single screen session to stay there forever, and to be automatically connected to that exact session though my login script, no matter how many times I connect at the same time. |
| 12:41.30 | kgoetz | and no, amd64 isnt an ia64 clone |
| 12:41.47 | kgoetz | amd64 is ia32+64 bit extentions |
| 12:41.48 | peterS | threat2: no, not in 64-bit space, AMD invented that one, Intel xeon is the clone |
| 12:41.50 | threat2 | kgoetz: ok |
| 12:41.55 | Malagmyr | I've tried a few different parameter combinations, but I can't seem to get it to work |
| 12:41.56 | xingu | kgoetz: sparc is generally 32bit, sparc64 would be the 64bit arch. |
| 12:42.01 | threat2 | peterS: ok |
| 12:42.03 | peterS | threat2: so it's known as amd64 and Intel also makes some |
| 12:42.23 | DevilChaos | liable sorry where were we my head got boggled cos of that idiot |
| 12:42.23 | threat2 | peterS: so AMD is finally overtaking intel in the R&D? |
| 12:42.30 | kgoetz | xingu: sorry, i should have specified. (i have both, so iforget) |
| 12:43.00 | liable | DevilChaos: modprobe your acpi modules |
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| 12:43.08 | kgoetz | however in debian both sparcs use the same packages (iirc) |
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| 12:43.23 | peterS | threat2: what happened is: Intel invented the Itanium (along with HP), otherwise known as IA-64. AMD thought that was stupid and invented their own architecture, x86-64 aka AMD64. AMD64 caught on, IA-64 mostly didn't, so Intel found themselves forced to clone AMD64 to stay competitive |
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| 12:44.26 | norc | Any suggestions for a video player? |
| 12:44.26 | threat2 | haha |
| 12:44.29 | threat2 | pwned |
| 12:44.31 | threat2 | norc: xine |
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| 12:44.32 | norc | because mplayer is unstable for a reason |
| 12:44.33 | peterS | threat2: I don't know who is doing the more interesting R&D now, but it _was_ pretty funny that Intel had to copy AMD's chip for once. of course, if you read Intel marketing literature, they don't really admit this, you'd almost think 64-bit xeons were an intel thing originally |
| 12:44.35 | norc | threat2: mhm.. ok |
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| 12:44.51 | threat2 | peterS: yeah |
| 12:45.09 | threat2 | norc: xine is great, or there is vlc, which is crossplatform |
| 12:45.17 | threat2 | or mplayer |
| 12:45.25 | norc | well, but vlc is closed source |
| 12:45.26 | norc | eh? |
| 12:45.28 | norc | [13:44:31] < norc> because mplayer is unstable for a reason |
| 12:45.28 | jatt | (itanium performance is very bad compared to amd64 similar processors, at least with the itanium machines I've worked) |
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| 12:45.41 | threat2 | vlc supports windows, unix, linux, macosx, etc, etc |
| 12:45.49 | norc | [13:45:25] < norc> well, but vlc is closed source |
| 12:45.50 | threat2 | norc: it is free and it works doesn |
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| 12:45.52 | threat2 | ' it ? |
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| 12:46.18 | threat2 | norc: and it is cross platform, what more do you want? |
| 12:46.32 | norc | I want open source? |
| 12:46.35 | peterS | jatt: yeah - itanium was interesting as a replacement for big iron risc boxes (it blows away mips r12000, used in monster SGI boxes) but I don't think it can compete long-term with the amd64 architecture, which has matured quite fast to the point where those big iron customers can take it seriously |
| 12:46.55 | threat2 | norc: oh, ok, go with xine then |
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| 12:47.34 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 12:47.56 | jatt | peterS: the itanium boxes I've used are from HP (I mean boxes running in the HP network). I doubt companies outside HP (or its closest partners) would chose itanium as production architecture. |
| 12:48.37 | peterS | jatt: SGI did, their "Altix" series is massively parallel ia-64 ("massively parallel" is really SGI's core competency) |
| 12:48.46 | DustyDingo | does anyone know if i need suspend2 for suspend to ram, or does it only implements suspend to disc? |
| 12:48.52 | jatt | peterS: Interesting... |
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| 12:49.14 | peterS | jatt: also, SGI is going through bankrupcy, so I do'nt know how much their strategy is worth (: |
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| 12:49.25 | jatt | peterS: hehehe |
| 12:49.42 | jatt | peterS: SGI developed IRIX, isn't it? |
| 12:50.19 | peterS | jatt: but seriously, they needed something to replace the MIPS chips they've always used, as MIPS hasn't been able to keep up with moore's law. and yes, IRIX is SGI's Unix for MIPS. they didn't port IRIX to Itanium, instead they ported Linux to their Altixes and that's what they offer |
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| 12:51.16 | peterS | jatt: I guess they figured it was cheaper to take the linux-ia64 stuff and make it work on their hardware than to port IRIX. it worked out pretty well from the kernel pov, several SGI people were contributing stuff to the ia64 port for awhile |
| 12:51.23 | LLcoolM | if i have several avi files how can i merge them into one? (all same codec of course) |
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| 12:52.27 | peterS | jatt: heh, why do you think we have the xfs filesystem and the CTCP network code in Linux - SGI needed those features in order to sell their Altix boxes (: |
| 12:52.50 | peterS | sorry, SCPT, not CTCP, brain fart |
| 12:52.59 | peterS | SCTP even. bleh. |
| 12:53.38 | jatt | peterS: yes probably that was a cost-based decision. HP for example supports Debian fully on servers (AFAIK). And is rare they use HP/UX for new boxes (they use it mostly in legacy systems). |
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| 12:54.32 | peterS | jatt: I dunno, they did port hp-ux to itanium. I was very impressed when I tried it - it includes an emulator so they can run PA-RISC binaries natively. so slick you don't even notice it - the binaries run quite fast and everything |
| 12:55.26 | DevilChaos | liable:brb throgh laptop so i can get pastesor output |
| 12:55.30 | DevilChaos | of |
| 12:55.37 | DevilChaos | damn my tpings is bad] |
| 12:55.40 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 12:56.02 | peterS | jatt: for HP graphics workstations, last I checked they had ugly binary-only Linux drivers for their graphics chips and those drivers were behind the curve so they didn't work on modern X servers. so that didn't seem too interesting. then again, that was in 2003 |
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| 12:57.13 | DevilChaos | liable: i did modprobe acpi and i got this message FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
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| 12:57.43 | liable | DevilChaos: what kind of processor do you have? |
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| 12:58.33 | DevilChaos | intel celeron m 1.76ghz |
| 12:59.06 | liable | celerons dont do frequency scaling |
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| 12:59.12 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 12:59.19 | jatt | peterS: I wonder if the problems with itanium are related to the "worst is better" approach (RISC vs. CISC architecture). I don't know much about microprocessors, but I remember my computer architecture lectures at the university (we used the Patterson & Hennessy book) and I found the MIPS architecture very well thought. I am reading now, Itanium doesn't implement a RISC architecture, but an EPIC architecture... |
| 12:59.41 | perlmonk | RIP James Brown. |
| 12:59.51 | DevilChaos | what other acpi modules do i modprobe? |
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| 13:01.02 | peterS | jatt: too much innovation, maybe. the itanium uses such a complex architecture that it took quite some time for gcc and binutils and other programs taht deal with instruction sets to get it right. Intel/HP might have lost some competitive advantage because of the lag of the tools |
| 13:01.10 | liable | DevilChaos: i dont think theres much you can do with it. i guess try the fan one and thermal and see what it says |
| 13:01.29 | DevilChaos | im mostly bothered about the battery |
| 13:02.00 | DevilChaos | i need it to work at least dont care about the others as i have gkrellm running |
| 13:02.06 | jatt | peterS: you are right, AFAIK with itanium a lot of instruction ordering and optimization is left to the compiler, so performance depends on the quality of the compiler implementation. |
| 13:02.09 | liable | DevilChaos: oh, its a laptop? theres a battery module too |
| 13:02.25 | DevilChaos | sorry i thought i said it was a laptop |
| 13:02.45 | DevilChaos | what is the module? |
| 13:02.46 | liable | DevilChaos: modprobe -l |grep /acpi/ |
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| 13:03.28 | peterS | jatt: yep. one interesting lesson to learn is that a "well-thought-out" or elegant architeture isn't necessarily a good one. x86 is horribly messy but once you build a compiler that can handle the messiness it's quite suitable for driving very very fast. RISC architectures like mips and sparc are less messy but it's harder to scale them up with faster processor designs |
| 13:04.29 | peterS | not sure what I think of the itanium architecture other than "PITA" - whether it's designed sensibly from the future speed-ups POV, or not, I am not sure |
| 13:04.50 | Mihai | i tried to install debian 3.1 rc4 and everything worked fine until I tried to enter in graphic mode |
| 13:04.51 | Mihai | which failled and got the following message: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38760/ |
| 13:05.12 | DevilChaos | liable:http://pastebin.com/844634 |
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| 13:05.49 | peterS | it _is_ an interesting instruction set, for sure. x86 uses variable-length instructoins, most RISC architectures have instructions which are all 32-bit, ia64 has 128-bit instruction _groups_ with 3 instructions in each. weird stuff. |
| 13:06.48 | liable | DevilChaos: modprobe the ones that you want. see what they do for you. vivit tuxmobil.org (at least battery and thermal i guess) |
| 13:06.54 | itchi | Mihai: Are you running Debian? |
| 13:07.02 | LLcoolM | peterS: but x86 processors are cisc processors that are emulated via a risc architecture :) |
| 13:07.20 | LLcoolM | that makes it weird |
| 13:07.23 | Mihai | itchi: now, No |
| 13:07.33 | Mihai | bindow |
| 13:07.49 | jatt | peterS: hmmm with that information (128-bit instruction groups with 3 instructions each) I see how gcc had troubles getting an usable itanium compiler he |
| 13:08.01 | peterS | LLcoolM: well, sort of. I'm not sure you could call an x86 core risc in the practical sense. I mean yes it is 'reduced instruction set' but that doesn't mean it looks like classic risc either |
| 13:08.19 | DevilChaos | liable:ChaosNetwork:/home/devil# modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.18_3_686/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko not found. |
| 13:08.39 | LLcoolM | peterS: what you see from the outside is a cisc instruction set and what actually does the work is a risc beneath it |
| 13:08.41 | peterS | jatt: yeah. and the ABI defined for ia64 was also really complex, function pointers in particular are apparently something pretty weird. |
| 13:08.45 | liable | DevilChaos: just 'modprobe battery' |
| 13:08.49 | itchi | Mihai: You may need to configure the x server. See /msg dpkg drxx |
| 13:08.56 | peterS | LLcoolM: I know that but you're missing my point |
| 13:09.38 | itchi | Mihai: I guess the x server are already installed, otherwise /msg dpkg install x |
| 13:10.04 | Mihai | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.15 | jatt | peterS: he, some of the code I write (C++) use function pointers heavily, I wonder if the bad itanium performance we got (compared with amd64 machines) has to do with this function pointer implementation (from the compiler ABI) complexity. |
| 13:10.32 | jatt | peterS: fortunately we are using amd64 machines for production exclusively now |
| 13:10.35 | peterS | jatt: possible. I don't know much about it really |
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| 13:10.59 | Mihai | 'itchi: x- gnome kde ... etc? |
| 13:11.03 | DevilChaos | liable:i dont seem to have /proc/acpi i think i need this |
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| 13:11.29 | DevilChaos | modprobe battery didnt help either |
| 13:11.30 | itchi | Mihai: Depending of you needs :-) |
| 13:11.44 | liable | DevilChaos: do you have /proc at all? |
| 13:12.12 | DevilChaos | yup i hav /proc/ |
| 13:13.08 | liable | DevilChaos: did the battery module load or not? |
| 13:13.44 | DevilChaos | no didnt load got this message modprobe battery |
| 13:13.44 | DevilChaos | FATAL: Error inserting battery (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko): No such device |
| 13:14.08 | liable | DevilChaos: how old is that laptop? |
| 13:14.15 | DevilChaos | brand new heh |
| 13:14.15 | itchi | DevilChaos: Search to see if there's one?? modprobe -l *foo* |
| 13:14.57 | liable | DevilChaos: linux-laptop.net see others thoughts with acpi on that model |
| 13:14.58 | DevilChaos | get a return to command prompt with that one |
| 13:15.34 | Givade | ui |
| 13:16.11 | DevilChaos | ok dude thanks em one last thing i was learning a little while ago about building kernels how do i get into the kernel again its something to do with kernel sources? |
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| 13:16.41 | Givade | finde ich nicht... |
| 13:16.45 | liable | apt-cache search linux-source |
| 13:17.01 | Mihai | <set up x> |
| 13:17.21 | itchi | Mihai: It's same too /msg dpkg set up x |
| 13:17.23 | liable | Mihai: /msg dpkg set up x :) |
| 13:17.40 | Mihai | k :) |
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| 13:19.40 | itchi | DevilChaos: Have you enabled acpi? |
| 13:19.59 | itchi | DevilChaos: (have follow the msg partially, gona scroll up) |
| 13:20.23 | liable | DevilChaos: last thought, make sure its not turned off in your bios |
| 13:20.43 | Mihai | does somebody know what xmd5 is? |
| 13:21.01 | DevilChaos | aaaaaahhhhh havent checked that one yet |
| 13:21.07 | tralala | Mihai, dpkg does |
| 13:21.58 | DevilChaos | thanks brb linux-laptop.net asus-a6r only has a fedora install |
| 13:22.09 | DevilChaos | brb anyway reboot! |
| 13:22.24 | itchi | Mihai: /msg dpkg xmd5 like usual :-) |
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| 13:23.27 | itchi | Mihai: You wanna be super interesting with /msg dpkg grounding and /msg dpkg search and /msg dpkg selftell |
| 13:23.48 | Mihai | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.04 | Mihai | srry |
| 13:24.07 | itchi | Mihai: Yeah, i write 2 spaces between stuff :-p |
| 13:24.08 | enouf | Mihai: no spaces priot to the first / |
| 13:24.14 | enouf | prior |
| 13:24.54 | MonkeyKing | hello everyone, I think I don't like Debian |
| 13:25.08 | itchi | !water MonkeyKing |
| 13:25.16 | itchi | beer is not yet good, sometimes ... |
| 13:25.27 | Nibbier | :D |
| 13:25.43 | Nibbier | MonkeyKing, then this is clearly not the right chan for you :) |
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| 13:26.58 | mc__ | Im not sure i i should submit this is a bug or not: |
| 13:27.13 | itchi | Mihai: He, not take it bad what the grounding factoid tell, just an good reference for docs ;-) |
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| 13:27.21 | mc__ | im on Athlon X2,and with the default unstable kernel my system freezes every 5 seconds for a moment |
| 13:27.46 | mc__ | i compiled the kernel myself and now the system runs smooth |
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| 13:28.26 | mc__ | shall I report this? |
| 13:28.49 | itchi | mc__: Did you change anything in the kernel? |
| 13:29.18 | itchi | mc__: Sure it will be an good itdea, to see if it's not yet already reported |
| 13:29.29 | itchi | bbrr |
| 13:30.15 | mc__ | itchi: i changed a lot of things in my custom kernel,for instance the i/o-schedular |
| 13:31.16 | DimmuR | mc__, you should first compile kernel with the same config as default (on which it was freezing) and check if it freezes |
| 13:32.43 | mc__ | DimmuR: I installed linux-tree-2.6.18, so if i dont change anything thats the config of linux-image-amd64 ? |
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| 13:34.17 | efaistos | hi |
| 13:35.10 | efaistos | does someone have pproblems with nautilus which relaunch itself again and again every time you open a nautilus window ? |
| 13:35.30 | mc__ | efaistos: it think that is the normal behaviour |
| 13:35.42 | mc__ | DimmuR: ? |
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| 13:35.57 | DimmuR | mc__, if you installed linux-image-amd64 then this kernel should have his own config inside |
| 13:36.15 | gnudo | i am running sarge on a low spec 266Mhz laptop. i have installed some backports and it is running more or less ok. i wonder are there going to be more backports for sarge once etch is released in february? |
| 13:36.33 | mc__ | DimmuR: where to find that config? |
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| 13:37.12 | efaistos | mc__: no its not it says "Application Error would you like to stop it or relaunch it ? " |
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| 13:37.58 | mc__ | efaistos: oh sorry,i misunderstootd something.did you try querybts nautilus |
| 13:38.03 | itchi | gnudo: Probably many backports gona be are moved, like it will be another release then |
| 13:38.37 | itchi | gnudo: Or at least, it will be are newer versions of it |
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| 13:39.09 | DevilChaos | there is no acpi conf inj my bios |
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| 13:39.15 | DevilChaos | for my laptop |
| 13:39.30 | itchi | DevilChaos: Did you put it in the /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 13:40.20 | DimmuR | mc__, it should be: /boot/config-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 13:40.34 | DevilChaos | how to? |
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| 13:41.02 | itchi | DevilChaos: i.e. kernel's /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-2-386 root=/dev/hda8 ro vga=771 acpi=on |
| 13:41.04 | disposable | my drive supports UDMA6 mode (according to hdparm -i /dev/hda) but when i run 'hdparm -X udma6 /dev/hda' and check it again, it is still on UDMA2. am i missing something? |
| 13:41.10 | gnudo | itchi: my question was related to the fact i am having some problems with backport 2.6.18 and the madwifi driver for my atheros card. it works on backport 2.6.16 but not on 2.6.18 |
| 13:41.36 | mc__ | DimmuR: ty! Ill recompile with the original config and see if it freezes |
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| 13:41.58 | DevilChaos | ok i can do that with nano what is the correct file to modify /boot/grub/menu.list? |
| 13:42.33 | itchi | DevilChaos: Yes (maybe make a copy of the file if your not user) |
| 13:42.40 | DimmuR | mc__, if it freeze try to add 1 thing a time and check if still freezes - maybye you find why it happens |
| 13:42.43 | silox | i cant mount a smb share, it only comes some ??? files in the mount folder :/ |
| 13:43.12 | itchi | silox: hhhm, some troubles with locales? |
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| 13:43.56 | itchi | gnudo: I dunno, i not make use of backports |
| 13:44.05 | silox | dont know itworked yesterday then when i tried again today i got the same errors again... |
| 13:45.32 | DevilChaos | rebooting brb |
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| 13:45.52 | silox | i´m using this command mount -t smbfs "//192.168.0.200/public" /media/utdelat |
| 13:46.31 | tuv | silox, you don't need the quotes |
| 13:47.16 | silox | ok but it doesnt work without " either... |
| 13:47.25 | itchi | silox: Have you the same locale on both computers ? |
| 13:47.32 | tuv | silox, what is the error you get? |
| 13:48.06 | itchi | tuv: He get ??? as filenames, if i been understand it right |
| 13:48.10 | silox | itchi, no dont think so .. |
| 13:48.27 | silox | itchi, yes thats right :) |
| 13:48.40 | mc__ | DimmuR: alright |
| 13:49.03 | tuv | itchi, silox : most probably non-latin characters, or maybe locale thing as itchi pointed out |
| 13:49.08 | itchi | silox: I think you should need look if it's an locale trouble?? (i dunno to be honnest) |
| 13:49.13 | Nibbier | silox, use cifs, not smbfs |
| 13:49.27 | silox | Nibbier okay i will try that |
| 13:49.33 | tuv | silox, what's the output of 'cat /etc/locale.gen' on each machine? |
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| 13:50.08 | silox | after cifs i get: mount error 20 = Not a directory Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) |
| 13:50.30 | silox | tuv, its a external landrive i try to mount |
| 13:50.52 | tuv | silox, usb? |
| 13:51.07 | tuv | silox, you don't need smb for usb-connected disks |
| 13:51.24 | silox | tuv its a ethernet lan dirve |
| 13:51.27 | silox | *drive |
| 13:51.47 | itchi | silox: And external hdd that are shared on samba? |
| 13:52.01 | silox | itchi:yes it has smb support |
| 13:52.05 | tuv | silox, then it runs its own smb server and you can't tell the locale |
| 13:52.15 | itchi | gggrrr, typo's gona take 10 mins a break |
| 13:52.34 | silox | tuv okay but how can i mount it :P |
| 13:52.38 | tuv | silox, do the problematic files have non-latin chars in their names? |
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| 13:53.51 | silox | tuv, ionly get 3 files which only have ??? in their names |
| 13:53.57 | DevilChaos | itchy: it wont boot if i add in vga=771 acpi=on |
| 13:54.08 | DevilChaos | i think thats whats wrong |
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| 13:55.39 | DevilChaos | itchi |
| 13:56.28 | silox | what about this error: "after cifs i get: mount error 20 = Not a directory Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)"? doesnt that say u anything? |
| 13:56.47 | itchi | DevilChaos: If you place it on the right line, it should be work |
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| 13:57.11 | tuv | silox, well what are their correct filenames? got any non-latin chars in them? |
| 13:57.21 | itchi | silox: The 3 files, have these special chars in it? |
| 13:58.06 | itchi | DevilChaos: What tell he then? Looks a bit weird |
| 13:58.56 | DevilChaos | ok ill show you the line im editing |
| 13:58.59 | DevilChaos | hold on |
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| 13:59.16 | itchi | DevilChaos: Maybe will that help you http://users.telenet.be/davidvanmosselbeen/docs/compaq_armada_1750/compaq_armada_1750.html#acpi |
| 13:59.48 | silox | tuv, itchi, ÿÿ |
| 13:59.59 | itchi | silox: You have your anwser then |
| 13:59.59 | DevilChaos | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-686 root=/dev/hda5 ro acpi=off and changing acpi to on and adding vga=771 yes? then it doesnt boot |
| 14:00.22 | itchi | DevilChaos: Weird, acpi is been installed too? |
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| 14:00.38 | itchi | DevilChaos: Which model is it exactly? |
| 14:00.43 | itchi | !beer abrotman |
| 14:00.45 | itchi | :-p |
| 14:00.50 | abrotman | hi |
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| 14:01.02 | itchi | fiesta :-) |
| 14:01.24 | DevilChaos | its an asus a6rp-ap017h |
| 14:02.00 | DevilChaos | and im missing /proc/acpi |
| 14:02.05 | silox | itchi yes but eaven if i have whrong charset it chould still show the files, right? |
| 14:02.07 | DevilChaos | for some strange reason |
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| 14:02.26 | itchi | silox: With some ??? chars, yes |
| 14:02.52 | itchi | silox: Maybe avoid weird chars in filenames?? |
| 14:02.55 | silox | itchi but it doesnt it only shows some useless random files |
| 14:03.26 | tuv | silox, you cannot access those files using their mangled filenames |
| 14:03.37 | silox | tuv no |
| 14:03.54 | tuv | silox, does your locale support the correct chars? |
| 14:04.00 | michael11 | What is the best way to copy all the data from one partition to another? I tried cp -R /disk2 /disk3 but when I went to check if they were the same with du -s they had different sizes |
| 14:04.03 | enouf | DevilChaos: $ lshal | grep power_management.type says what? |
| 14:04.12 | silox | tuv yes i got it working yesterday :/ |
| 14:04.21 | itchi | silox: Just list the dir, with ??? i meaned, sorry |
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| 14:04.56 | itchi | silox: Weird chars, give mostly troubles with a bit everything, better to avoid it, will be many more easy |
| 14:04.56 | tuv | silox, working in a console, or some graphical browser? |
| 14:05.20 | silox | itchi: ls gives "?? ??? R???" |
| 14:05.28 | itchi | silox: Yup :-) |
| 14:05.56 | itchi | silox: Have you tried to put the same locale? Just for test |
| 14:06.03 | silox | tuv i´m using the terminal |
| 14:06.28 | tuv | silox, and you got the correct chars yesterday on the terminal too? |
| 14:06.37 | silox | itchi you meen charset? |
| 14:06.51 | itchi | silox: No, the locale |
| 14:06.56 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.56 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.57 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.57 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:07.06 | DevilChaos | doh! |
| 14:07.17 | DevilChaos | did you get that? |
| 14:07.29 | itchi | DevilChaos: 4 lines |
| 14:07.29 | DevilChaos | sorry should have paste bined it |
| 14:07.39 | DevilChaos | ok ill pastebin |
| 14:08.03 | silox | itchi how do i do that? |
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| 14:08.29 | DevilChaos | http://pastebin.com/844653 |
| 14:08.30 | itchi | DevilChaos: I'm looking on tuxmobile and linux on laptop, but not sure which one you have exactly |
| 14:08.57 | enouf | DevilChaos: thweree is no acpi=on .. it's acpi=force .. or some other options |
| 14:09.02 | DevilChaos | give the url's plsease?! |
| 14:09.19 | enouf | and stop pasting into the channel |
| 14:09.24 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 14:09.28 | DevilChaos | sorry |
| 14:09.28 | itchi | enouf: Is that only on older kernels? |
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| 14:10.00 | enouf | DevilChaos: $ lshal | grep power_management.type <-- says what? not other renditions of that |
| 14:10.15 | enouf | itchi: no .. AFAIK |
| 14:10.21 | aventis_khan | hello once again |
| 14:10.28 | enouf | itchi: the lshal thing? is mostly newer stuff |
| 14:10.32 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.42 | enouf | DevilChaos: there ya go .. it should say acpi |
| 14:10.47 | itchi | enouf: Weird, acpi=on worked on my old lapy :-) |
| 14:10.50 | enouf | to use acpi anyways |
| 14:10.57 | Mihai | does debian requires to configure every individual chip on my Pc? >:( |
| 14:10.59 | DevilChaos | ok so i need to uninstall apm |
| 14:11.19 | enouf | itchi: oh .. well see this itchi http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?a=i386 search for acpi |
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| 14:12.04 | enouf | DevilChaos: no .. you don't uninstall it AFAIK .. pass the acpi=force option in the kernel cmdline |
| 14:12.05 | itchi | enouf: Hhhmm, useful thanks :-) |
| 14:12.24 | DevilChaos | !afaik |
| 14:12.24 | dpkg | it has been said that afaik is as far as I know |
| 14:12.38 | DevilChaos | oops anyway i just uninstalled |
| 14:12.46 | enouf | whooops :-P |
| 14:12.59 | DevilChaos | ill try passing the argument then ill reinstall |
| 14:13.00 | itchi | haha |
| 14:13.05 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 14:13.30 | DevilChaos | f**k it i can always start over no biggy |
| 14:13.47 | enouf | DevilChaos: Laptops are very very finicky though .. so if it still won't bot you'll have to figure out why .. |
| 14:13.47 | DevilChaos | lets try the force cmd |
| 14:13.50 | enouf | boot* |
| 14:14.07 | liable | you shouldnthave apmd and acpid both installed |
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| 14:14.22 | DevilChaos | ah ok that is ok now |
| 14:14.23 | DragonD | Sup! |
| 14:14.31 | DevilChaos | acpid is installed only now |
| 14:14.40 | DevilChaos | aye aye dragon |
| 14:15.15 | aventis | can i install debian with kde from this cd " http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso" or do i need Etch main installer CD 1 ? |
| 14:15.30 | DevilChaos | reboot! |
| 14:15.34 | enouf | !cd contents |
| 14:15.34 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 14:15.43 | enouf | aventis: ^^^ |
| 14:15.45 | aventis | liable: |
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| 14:16.00 | aventis | im back with this one question i forgot to ask lately |
| 14:16.06 | itchi | Gge: New stuff? |
| 14:16.08 | liable | aventis: shoot |
| 14:16.10 | Gge | better support of my laptop (acer 1650) |
| 14:16.46 | mc__ | ist there a channel for Debian SID users in OFTC? |
| 14:16.47 | itchi | Gge: Sarge with an 2.6.18 will be goes right, i guess |
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| 14:17.09 | liable | aventis: that looks like the correct one. sec, lemme check, i only heard about these kde/gnome cd's the other day myself |
| 14:17.19 | Gge | itchi , yes probably |
| 14:17.24 | aventis | that question i asked above, if i just download http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso , will it lemme istall debian or do i need main cd1 of etch too ? |
| 14:17.28 | enouf | mc__: the only support is likely to be found at BTS .. and mailing lists and dev channels perhaps |
| 14:17.48 | Gge | IItchi , I have used the netinstall of Etch_rc1 |
| 14:17.56 | aventis | liable:ok |
| 14:18.19 | Gge | Actually on Irc using the wi-fi connection |
| 14:18.21 | mc__ | enouf: pity that there is noch sid,channel,ubuntu has got ubuntu+1... |
| 14:18.23 | enouf | mc__: hopefully you're using Sid to work any kinks out of newer versions of software .. to report back findings and help fix them if possible |
| 14:18.25 | Gge | with this laptop |
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| 14:18.46 | itchi | aventis: testing = etch btw |
| 14:18.54 | mc__ | enouf: yes im using it to find bugs |
| 14:19.11 | Gge | yes testing = Etch_rc1 |
| 14:19.32 | aventis | yes and this is testing too http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 14:19.33 | enouf | mc__: well .. you can alays just ask .. but don't expect much .. |
| 14:19.38 | mc__ | enouf: but i also use Sid for my day to day use,i think its stable enough |
| 14:19.50 | michael11 | How can I copy all the files from one partition to another? |
| 14:19.59 | enouf | mc__: mine is too .. even though by now, it's essentially an etch install |
| 14:20.27 | aventis | but i wonder will this cd lemme install or i need http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso this one too |
| 14:20.29 | mc__ | enouf: so you installed from etch and upgraded to sid? |
| 14:20.45 | enouf | mc__: hehe .. started with Sarge 3.1 |
| 14:20.46 | itchi | michael11: dd, cp, tar, or whatever |
| 14:20.57 | tuv | michael11, various ways: cp -a, tar, rsync.... there are a few guides on the web for details |
| 14:21.03 | liable | aventis: i am pretty sure the kde one is all you need. i cant find it in the docs though |
| 14:21.06 | Mihai | ok i have an on-bord VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro IGP |
| 14:21.07 | Mihai | what chip should i choose Via or S3 or Savage? 10x |
| 14:21.35 | itchi | michael11: You need to take the toy you like :-) |
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| 14:22.03 | DevilChaos | its the cpu that is stopping acpi from working |
| 14:22.06 | enouf | mc__: dist-upgraded over time to sid eventually (few months back atleast) ..just haven't upgraded many pkgs lately :-P .. like 850+ need upgrading .. but shit works :-) |
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| 14:22.24 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.39 | axept | hi ppl |
| 14:22.44 | DevilChaos | wpet base-timer or something |
| 14:22.46 | michael11 | itchi: I tried cp -R but after I went to the separate partitions and entered du -s, I got different sizes |
| 14:22.49 | enouf | mc__: so why bother .. though from time to time, I try to help out with 'testing' certain things |
| 14:22.53 | axept | i just need a quick help |
| 14:23.03 | enouf | doesn't everyone? |
| 14:23.12 | itchi | michael11: Maybe some lock files and so?? |
| 14:23.25 | tuv | ok.. something is certainly wrong with aptitude. at least in arm. segfaults while building dependency tree |
| 14:23.25 | mc__ | enouf: many people never run untested software |
| 14:23.26 | axept | i can not get into X how can i get the terminal to login? |
| 14:23.44 | axept | i need to reconfigure X |
| 14:23.45 | liable | aventis: yeah :) |
| 14:23.50 | mc__ | axept: just type in you username and pw |
| 14:23.54 | aventis | brb |
| 14:24.13 | axept | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.36 | axept | i need to login as root to reconfigure X |
| 14:24.41 | itchi | axept: Look to /msg dpkg drxx |
| 14:24.45 | axept | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.56 | enouf | ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 14:25.04 | axept | i bleeps and goes black |
| 14:25.09 | itchi | axept: First login as normal user, then su to root |
| 14:25.14 | enouf | or f1-6 if you prefer |
| 14:25.45 | enouf | axept: reboot into single mode then |
| 14:26.02 | axept | when i should press F1? |
| 14:26.30 | enouf | axept: it's ctrl-alt-[f1-f6] .. to obtain a tty |
| 14:26.49 | DevilChaos | is there a way to get it to bypass the cpu step ? |
| 14:26.57 | enouf | alt-f7 usually brings you back to X which you don't have |
| 14:27.08 | axept | ok but both or just one of them F1 F6? |
| 14:27.10 | enouf | DevilChaos: ? |
| 14:27.29 | enouf | DevilChaos: modprobe processot |
| 14:27.34 | enouf | processor |
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| 14:28.17 | DevilChaos | return to command promt |
| 14:28.20 | enouf | DevilChaos: do you even have sysfs? .. pastebin the contents of 'mount' |
| 14:28.49 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 14:29.06 | DevilChaos | ill pastebin anyway |
| 14:29.14 | enouf | DevilChaos: that means it worked usually .. lsmod | grep processor |
| 14:29.31 | enouf | ChristmasMoose: ++! |
| 14:30.01 | ChristmasMoose | hurrah for mooses |
| 14:30.10 | DevilChaos | http://pastebin.com/844658 |
| 14:30.23 | enouf | \o/ |
| 14:30.47 | DevilChaos | processor 28840 0 |
| 14:30.48 | liable | James Brown really is dead! |
| 14:31.08 | DevilChaos | funny im actually listening to his music right now |
| 14:31.14 | enouf | DevilChaos: next time use pastebin.ca or channels.debian.net/paste |
| 14:31.21 | DevilChaos | think hes still alive anyway! |
| 14:31.28 | DevilChaos | ok |
| 14:31.39 | enouf | DevilChaos: aare you chrooted into that? |
| 14:31.57 | DevilChaos | chrooted into what? |
| 14:32.16 | DevilChaos | root terminal yes |
| 14:32.21 | enouf | DevilChaos: that's friggin odd mount options |
| 14:32.28 | DevilChaos | how? |
| 14:32.39 | enouf | huh? |
| 14:32.57 | DevilChaos | i dunno |
| 14:33.01 | enouf | are you in single mode? |
| 14:33.10 | DevilChaos | dont thinkso |
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| 14:33.16 | enouf | DevilChaos: what's runlevel say? |
| 14:34.02 | michael11 | liable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTaDk_P91ao |
| 14:34.12 | michael11 | in honor of James Brown |
| 14:34.21 | liable | michael11: i'm on dialup :( |
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| 14:35.13 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 14:36.04 | DevilChaos | N 2 |
| 14:36.10 | DevilChaos | runlevel |
| 14:36.26 | enouf | heh .. notes I don't have ANY acpi pkgs installed .. hehe |
| 14:36.41 | enouf | but still have scpi functionality .. to a degree |
| 14:36.56 | enouf | DevilChaos: type 'runlevel' .. no quotes |
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| 14:37.04 | liable | acpid is really just for logging events and running shit when they happen |
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| 14:37.14 | DevilChaos | i did that and N 2 is what i got |
| 14:37.24 | enouf | liable: I see .. hrmm |
| 14:37.34 | enouf | oh .. I missed it .. ok |
| 14:37.41 | JB[away] | hi, use anyone the sources from debian-unofficial.org (mod-security - etch) |
| 14:37.56 | enouf | DevilChaos: well .. you're in 2 .. that's good |
| 14:39.04 | DevilChaos | ok so now what? |
| 14:39.34 | enouf | DevilChaos: dpkg -l hal udev hotplug |
| 14:39.45 | enouf | DevilChaos: pastebin results |
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| 14:40.04 | enouf | DevilChaos: cat /etc/debian_version too please |
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| 14:42.42 | DevilChaos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4904. |
| 14:43.19 | Gge | What is the use of synaptic other than to list packages that are installed ? |
| 14:43.39 | liable | to install and remove them? |
| 14:43.42 | enouf | DevilChaos: ok .. pastebin looks fine .. tell me what the cat /etc/debian_version says |
| 14:43.56 | DevilChaos | 4.0 |
| 14:44.06 | enouf | DevilChaos: also .. letsee what cat /proc/cmdline says |
| 14:44.52 | DevilChaos | root=/dev/hda5 ro vga=771 acpi=off |
| 14:45.00 | enouf | Gge: /msg dpkg synaptic |
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| 14:46.04 | enouf | DevilChaos: ok .. alter the menu.lst line to say acpi=force and reboot .. what's your issue again? .. OH .. also before that, echo processor >> /etc/modules |
| 14:46.10 | itchi | wooaa, that's an old pic in the synaptic factoid |
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| 14:47.07 | enouf | Wings? .. Paul McCartney's band? |
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| 14:47.21 | Squid | hey, after ive installed debian and go to update from stable to testing it keeps making me delete the current kernel i have and replace it with a new one before i can install anything, any ideas? |
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| 14:47.41 | liable | blame udev |
| 14:47.53 | liable | SurgeX: see what the release notes say |
| 14:47.58 | liable | Squid: ^^ |
| 14:48.15 | enouf | Squid: are you doing apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? .. also /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 14:48.37 | enouf | Squid: I "think" it's a known issue as liable said |
| 14:48.40 | DevilChaos | ChaosNetwork:/home/devil# echo processor |
| 14:48.40 | DevilChaos | processor |
| 14:48.46 | Squid | ok, cheers |
| 14:48.50 | liable | hehe |
| 14:48.54 | enouf | I've seen others mention that issue lately .. |
| 14:49.02 | Squid | yea its strange |
| 14:49.06 | Squid | its never happened to me before :/ |
| 14:49.24 | liable | DevilChaos: echo "imagoose' |
| 14:49.28 | DevilChaos | return to command promt |
| 14:49.34 | Danamania | Squid: same happened to me on ppc doing the same upgrade recently |
| 14:49.38 | enouf | DevilChaos: you want to add the processor module to /etc/modules .. so it's loaded upon a boot |
| 14:49.44 | aventis | im back |
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| 14:49.59 | enouf | lol @ liable: |
| 14:50.00 | Squid | Danamania, any idea what caused it? |
| 14:50.01 | SurgeX | what debian cd do i download? There are to many! |
| 14:50.01 | DevilChaos | heh yeh ok he he he |
| 14:50.08 | DevilChaos | ill do that now |
| 14:50.17 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.20 | Danamania | Squid: seems to be udev - which etch uses, and needs a kernel above 2.6.15 I think |
| 14:50.30 | DevilChaos | processor is there |
| 14:50.31 | enouf | SurgeX: what's you arch? .. and which branch do you desire |
| 14:50.35 | Squid | Danamania, ah alright |
| 14:50.37 | DevilChaos | reboot ! |
| 14:50.42 | SurgeX | i386 |
| 14:50.47 | liable | aventis: yah, i am in between houses atm, so no adsl for me :( |
| 14:51.04 | SurgeX | theres 15 cds |
| 14:51.10 | enouf | Yes .. |
| 14:51.13 | enouf | :-0 |
| 14:51.16 | liable | iso1 or the netinstaller |
| 14:51.21 | enouf | Mucho software .. candy store |
| 14:51.27 | SurgeX | thanks |
| 14:51.33 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.59 | aventis | brb, i will shoot my dinner and then be back |
| 14:52.09 | liable | aventis: yeah, it blows alright. better than nothing though i spose |
| 14:52.17 | enouf | SurgeX: on Dialup .. or fast net? |
| 14:52.26 | SurgeX | Broadband |
| 14:52.34 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:52.55 | liable | i doubt it, bed time soon |
| 14:52.58 | SurgeX | do I download binary-1.iso? |
| 14:53.14 | enouf | SurgeX: ok .. netinstall is fine .. read the info at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. the URLs that link to info |
| 14:53.23 | liable | if you got good net, get the netinst |
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| 14:54.07 | abrotman | wussy sleeper! |
| 14:54.11 | enouf | SurgeX: sure .. or use netinstall .. RC1 if you want Etch .. or follow the links to Official Sarge as in the /topic |
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| 14:54.24 | liable | its 12pm! |
| 14:54.44 | SurgeX | Sarge is the stable release is it? |
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| 14:54.52 | liable | not that i have anything to do tomorrow |
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| 14:55.43 | liable | i'm a pirate! |
| 14:55.48 | enouf | aye |
| 14:55.56 | liable | pacific actually.. |
| 14:56.09 | liable | or indian is even more correct |
| 14:56.15 | enouf | then it's 12AM :-p |
| 14:56.39 | liable | oh, right.. :) |
| 14:56.44 | enouf | doh |
| 14:56.49 | itchi | liable: Looks like some good beer you have there :-) |
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| 14:56.56 | liable | hah |
| 14:57.01 | enouf | itchi: it's nog |
| 14:57.48 | itchi | At least, it do good effects hahah |
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| 14:59.10 | DustyDingo | any idears how can i start an aterm with an interactive bash and execute one cmd without closing the interactive bash when the cmd finishes? |
| 14:59.23 | DustyDingo | i solved this before, but can't remeber |
| 14:59.26 | liable | cmd & |
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| 14:59.42 | DustyDingo | no |
| 14:59.50 | DimmuR | DustyDingo, screen? |
| 15:00.16 | abrotman | use the ; |
| 15:00.17 | DustyDingo | well, could be a solution, but i wan't to solve it without screen |
| 15:00.52 | abrotman | use the ;? |
| 15:01.05 | abrotman | you want to start aterm .. execute bash .. run command .. leave bash running ? |
| 15:01.18 | DustyDingo | yes |
| 15:01.23 | abrotman | think to ask #bash ? |
| 15:01.29 | enouf | http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
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| 15:07.04 | DevilChaos | still stalls on cpu saying using hpet for base timer and doesnt do anything after that |
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| 15:07.16 | DevilChaos | roll on the rolling stones jumpin jack |
| 15:07.25 | DevilChaos | gas gas gas |
| 15:07.28 | DevilChaos | he he he |
| 15:07.42 | liable | DevilChaos: dual core? i have had that problem myself if so. |
| 15:08.07 | DevilChaos | i dont think it is how do i find out? |
| 15:08.20 | enouf | liable: I 'think' it's a celery |
| 15:08.20 | liable | the only way i could get the fucker to boot was with a live cd. it was extremely annoying |
| 15:08.22 | DevilChaos | its and intel celerom m |
| 15:08.31 | liable | oh, thats right, thats what he said |
| 15:08.38 | liable | celeron m? |
| 15:08.47 | DevilChaos | yup |
| 15:08.59 | liable | DevilChaos: paste cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 15:09.05 | enouf | DevilChaos: when is that hpet/wpet error .. can you pastebin that and surrounding text? |
| 15:09.15 | DevilChaos | no |
| 15:09.26 | DevilChaos | its boot scroll |
| 15:09.27 | enouf | DevilChaos: also .. tell us whet /cat proc/cmdline says now |
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| 15:10.05 | enouf | DevilChaos: you can capture some of that using /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 15:10.10 | enouf | !bootlogd |
| 15:10.10 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 15:10.33 | liable | if it hangs on that call, it wont get written |
| 15:10.37 | enouf | DevilChaos: dmesg and find that section |
| 15:11.01 | enouf | or just pastebin the entire dmesg |
| 15:11.39 | stoned | Merry Christman |
| 15:13.15 | enouf | DevilChaos: next time you reboot .. check your BIOS settings for APM/ACPI and PnP OS = Enabled .. ISA irqs "Share as many as possible" (no assigned resources) .. what the heck ASUS craptop model is that again? |
| 15:13.26 | Cyis | yes... merry overly-commericialized hallmark holiday to you all :) |
| 15:14.07 | stoned | Cyis, grinch :) |
| 15:14.15 | DevilChaos | heh yeah i know i know bad judgement on my part should have bought a thinkpad |
| 15:14.21 | stoned | Why do you want to look at the negative parts of it |
| 15:14.23 | Cyis | stoned: No.. just practical |
| 15:14.29 | stoned | look at the bright side of christmas |
| 15:14.38 | DevilChaos | asus a6rp-ap017h |
| 15:14.46 | enouf | stare at the tree? |
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| 15:15.03 | tuv | DevilChaos, or a satellite |
| 15:15.03 | stoned | no, its a time to see people you haven't seen in a long time a take a few days off work |
| 15:15.09 | Cyis | enouf: if you light it on fire it's even brighter :) |
| 15:15.10 | DevilChaos | yeah that usually happens when ur drunk and notice the twinkly lights |
| 15:15.14 | stoned | and* |
| 15:15.17 | saftsack | hi, is there a positive effect if i run amavis and mailscanner at the same time? |
| 15:15.21 | enouf | hehe |
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| 15:15.36 | liable | stoned: right, so loggoff irc and go see people! :P |
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| 15:15.49 | stoned | liable, I have no people, I'm all alone |
| 15:15.57 | DevilChaos | there is nothing in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 15:15.58 | stoned | no friends, no family, I don't know anyone |
| 15:16.07 | liable | !aww |
| 15:16.07 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 15:16.09 | axept | thanks all. |
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| 15:16.18 | Cyis | as par for the course I got nothing I wanted nor needed except one thing... my Super System 2 book |
| 15:16.25 | stoned | liable, debian is my only friend |
| 15:16.28 | liable | stoned: same here actually. :) |
| 15:16.39 | kollo15 | i cant ssh to my linux with putty from windows, it says connection timed out, i tried to enable port 22 with iptables, still not working, any suggestions? |
| 15:16.43 | jatt | he |
| 15:16.45 | liable | just moved across the coutry, dont know a fucking soul |
| 15:16.50 | DevilChaos | everyone here like fleetwood mac? |
| 15:16.57 | tuv | stoned, that's romantic |
| 15:17.06 | Cyis | liable: I moved cross-country myself in July |
| 15:17.25 | stoned | kollo15, can your linux box accept connections, per your iptable settings? |
| 15:17.45 | kollo15 | yes |
| 15:18.03 | stoned | kollo15, can you ssh to yourself on linux? |
| 15:18.05 | liable | Cyis: i am in limbo atm, not even a house to live in. |
| 15:18.13 | kollo15 | stoned: i can telnet to it, but not ssh |
| 15:18.21 | saftsack | has someone an idea regarding my question? |
| 15:18.23 | stoned | kollo15, is the ssh service running? |
| 15:18.40 | stoned | kollo15, sudo/su /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 15:18.44 | Cyis | liable: my apt is about a 5 hour drive north of me right now... gotta get on the road in a few hours |
| 15:19.08 | Cyis | I gotta be back at work tomorrow and I still need to finish my re-install of Etch at home before I go to work |
| 15:19.29 | liable | Cyis: one of the best things about xmas, is theres fuck all traffic (over here anyway) |
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| 15:19.57 | kollo15 | stoned: no |
| 15:20.07 | stoned | kollo15, also remove any rules you've created about port 22/ssh traffic in iptables for now |
| 15:20.15 | kollo15 | cant find sshd with locate either :S |
| 15:20.25 | Cyis | liable: add to it the rain... makes for a bunch of dumb drivers on the road |
| 15:20.28 | stoned | kollo15, ps auxf|grep ssh |
| 15:20.41 | stoned | if its running, if not, then sudo/su apt-get install ssh |
| 15:20.56 | kollo15 | yep done that, gives no result |
| 15:21.08 | liable | Cyis: hehe, sunny and 30c over here :) |
| 15:21.14 | stoned | kollo15, is it already installed? are you on debian? |
| 15:21.16 | abrotman | you suck! |
| 15:21.20 | liable | well, when its not night time its sunny :) |
| 15:21.39 | kollo15 | stoned: no i am on redhat, but there was nobody answering so i tried to ask here. |
| 15:21.44 | stoned | dude |
| 15:21.47 | stoned | what the fuck |
| 15:22.13 | stoned | kollo15, i'll cut you a break and wont' say nothing. Get the fuck outta here man |
| 15:22.39 | kollo15 | thanks for ur help ;-) |
| 15:22.43 | stoned | anytime |
| 15:22.43 | liable | ack! beer slushy :( |
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| 15:23.00 | abrotman | fridge too cold ? |
| 15:23.09 | stoned | kollo15, try #fedora etc. as well |
| 15:23.13 | stoned | kollo15, or ##linux |
| 15:23.15 | DevilChaos | root=/dev/hda5 ro vga=771 acpi=off |
| 15:23.18 | DevilChaos | enable bootlogd? |
| 15:23.20 | DevilChaos | then try again then get info from there? |
| 15:23.23 | liable | only the beers under the little freezer section bit |
| 15:23.26 | kollo15 | i found it on google. working on it. |
| 15:23.34 | DevilChaos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4905 |
| 15:23.40 | DevilChaos | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4905 |
| 15:23.44 | DevilChaos | enable bootlogd? |
| 15:23.46 | DevilChaos | then try again then get info from there? |
| 15:24.08 | liable | it wont write if its hanging at that processor bit |
| 15:24.22 | liable | thats right at the start of the boot |
| 15:24.51 | DevilChaos | what does that mean? |
| 15:24.51 | Cyis | problem with being a geek in a family of techno-phobes at x-mas is no one will get you what you really would like to get |
| 15:25.06 | abrotman | Cyis: you didn't get your nokia 770 eh ? |
| 15:25.17 | Cyis | abrotman: I'm happy with my Treo |
| 15:25.20 | DevilChaos | doosh doosh doosh |
| 15:25.25 | DevilChaos | music |
| 15:25.25 | liable | and you get to de-spyware there boxen after lunch |
| 15:25.29 | Cyis | which I bought myself last April |
| 15:25.35 | abrotman | Cyis: you're happy now ... but just wait! |
| 15:25.42 | DevilChaos | you doosh doosh doosh |
| 15:25.50 | DevilChaos | sorry you cought |
| 15:25.59 | Cyis | abrotman: When I'm not happy I'll run it over with my big ass truck and get Sprint to replace it :) |
| 15:26.05 | abrotman | Cyis: hehe |
| 15:26.14 | DevilChaos | he he |
| 15:26.16 | Cyis | gotta love equipment replacement policy :) |
| 15:26.47 | Cyis | not to mention I bought the Treo for me and my wife as a business expense so I can deduct it from my taxes this year :) |
| 15:27.00 | Cyis | I was hoping for a laptop or an ipod... but it was a pipe dream |
| 15:27.08 | DevilChaos | liable will i enable the bootlogd yes? |
| 15:27.33 | DevilChaos | hi abrotman merry christmas!:) |
| 15:27.41 | abrotman | DevilChaos: bah humbug! |
| 15:27.48 | liable | DevilChaos: sure, give it a go, i dont think it will work though. but you got nothing to lose. is it consistently hanging at that spot? |
| 15:28.13 | Cyis | might be worth trying to get a serial console hook'd up to it |
| 15:28.23 | DevilChaos | aw come on abrotman get some doosh doosh doosh music on and a drink youll be fine doosh doosh doosh doosh doosh doosh |
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| 15:28.48 | unseensoul | hi |
| 15:28.48 | abrotman | wtf is doosh ? |
| 15:28.49 | mc__ | !offtopic |
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| 15:28.55 | DevilChaos | liable yeah just wont go past it |
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| 15:29.00 | aventis | im back |
| 15:29.08 | Grub_Now | so am i |
| 15:29.17 | DevilChaos | hardcore rave music goes doosh doosh doosh |
| 15:29.24 | abrotman | xmas doesn't |
| 15:29.25 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 15:29.26 | Squid | manic's soon |
| 15:29.27 | Squid | :P |
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| 15:29.32 | Squid | devilchaos, you in aus? |
| 15:29.43 | DevilChaos | no uk why? |
| 15:29.54 | Squid | no reason :P |
| 15:29.56 | abrotman | DevilChaos: what'd you break on your laptop ? |
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| 15:30.00 | DevilChaos | sorry im just a nutter when i get exited about something |
| 15:30.31 | DevilChaos | nothing trying to get acpi working so i can have it portable the batter status and that ist working |
| 15:30.39 | abrotman | how old ? |
| 15:30.53 | DevilChaos | new laptop doh asus shitter |
| 15:30.59 | liable | DevilChaos: have you removed that acpi line from grub? |
| 15:31.03 | DevilChaos | paid £500 for it |
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| 15:31.17 | DevilChaos | just remove it? |
| 15:31.30 | liable | just the acpi bit |
| 15:31.36 | DevilChaos | bout $1000 |
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| 15:31.55 | DevilChaos | i think |
| 15:32.04 | aventis | liable: have you installed etch on ur system or still using sarge? |
| 15:32.25 | Cyis | yeah that's an expensive one... mother just got a AMD Turion 64 w/ 1GB RAM for under $600 |
| 15:32.49 | DevilChaos | brb rebooting again |
| 15:32.50 | liable | aventis: i used an etch installer a few months back, they didnt have those kde isos back then |
| 15:32.54 | abrotman | !ur |
| 15:32.54 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 15:33.37 | aventis | liable: so am i lucky :) |
| 15:33.49 | Cyis | hmm... smells like someone's making breakfast... |
| 15:34.12 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.15 | Cyis | prolly have enough time to eat, take a shower and get the truck packed up so we can get on the road before it starts getting dark |
| 15:35.50 | stoned | hmm |
| 15:36.04 | enouf | well .. tyour dead .. Tab completion doesn't like you |
| 15:36.35 | stoned | abrotman, someone need localized urdu support? |
| 15:36.46 | Cyis | well I'm gonna go... take it easy... abrotman I'll catch ya later |
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| 15:36.57 | abrotman | stoned: no .. someone can't figure out 'your' :) |
| 15:37.00 | stoned | lol |
| 15:37.31 | abrotman | now .. maybe the next time someone is speaking urdu/hindi . i'll remember that .. but i doubt it :) |
| 15:37.42 | DragonD | how can i reinstall a package with out reinstall all of the package which debend on it? |
| 15:37.45 | stoned | lol |
| 15:37.57 | mastroquet | hi all, do you know if it is still possible to change the default WM on GNome 2.14 (etch) ? I can't do it with gconf-editor, te default window manager key is said to be obsolete and doesn't do anything actually |
| 15:38.00 | liable | what kind of stupid fucking website has a 'print' page and its still on 3 pages! |
| 15:38.10 | asg | DragonD: apt-get install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 15:38.21 | DragonD | asg: thanks |
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| 15:38.44 | stoned | mastroquet, just the wm inside gnome, like you don't want to use sawfish/metacity or whatever it comes with? |
| 15:39.25 | stoned | mastroquet, #debian-gnome or #gnome or irc.gnome.org I don't know about this. I think gnome sux0rz |
| 15:39.29 | abrotman | mastroquet: to what ? |
| 15:39.30 | mastroquet | stoned : yes, I'd like to use sawfish instead of metacity |
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| 15:39.44 | abrotman | mastroquet: killall metacity && sawfish |
| 15:39.49 | DevilChaos | nah didnt work |
| 15:39.52 | stoned | mastroquet, just KILL metacity, start sawfish, and save your session |
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| 15:39.54 | stoned | SAVE SESSION! |
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| 15:40.18 | mastroquet | thank you all, i'll try that |
| 15:40.34 | DevilChaos | am going to my friend alisters house in edinburger on wed so he'll help me out thanks alot for the help i really apreciate it |
| 15:40.37 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 15:40.51 | stoned | dude |
| 15:40.57 | stoned | I'm from edinburge |
| 15:40.57 | DevilChaos | is there another vga mode other than 771 ? |
| 15:40.59 | stoned | kinda |
| 15:41.01 | stoned | haha |
| 15:41.06 | stoned | small world innit |
| 15:41.10 | abrotman | DevilChaos: yes .. those are hex numbers |
| 15:41.10 | DevilChaos | where? |
| 15:41.21 | stoned | south yourkshire, its a suburb in the southside |
| 15:41.23 | DevilChaos | what does it go up to? |
| 15:41.38 | stoned | I was 3 years old hehe |
| 15:41.45 | DevilChaos | im in scotland you are a bit off dont you think? |
| 15:41.46 | stoned | I left when I was about 6 |
| 15:42.05 | DevilChaos | bout 800 miles |
| 15:42.09 | stoned | no, south yourkshire is a housing society for rich people in southern edinburgh |
| 15:42.18 | DevilChaos | eh |
| 15:42.20 | stoned | its a suburb etc. |
| 15:42.21 | DevilChaos | really? |
| 15:42.34 | stoned | I can't recall where it is exactly man, I was a children back then |
| 15:42.38 | stoned | dhild* |
| 15:42.41 | stoned | child* fuck! |
| 15:42.44 | stoned | can't sp ell |
| 15:42.50 | DevilChaos | where are you now like? |
| 15:42.54 | stoned | usa |
| 15:43.08 | DevilChaos | dont worry bout spelling i cant type for shit either |
| 15:43.11 | RvGaTe | Is it possible to ban an IP that has tried to login onto ssh/ftp or whereever if he failed to login like 20 times ? |
| 15:43.26 | DevilChaos | yeah blacklist |
| 15:43.26 | stoned | RvGaTe, /hosts/deny |
| 15:43.27 | asg | RvGaTe: yes, there are many ways |
| 15:43.30 | stoned | oh |
| 15:43.33 | stoned | wtf is wrong with me |
| 15:43.36 | stoned | /etc/hosts.deny |
| 15:43.42 | RvGaTe | stoned, you're probably stoned again |
| 15:43.47 | stoned | RvGaTe, not yet |
| 15:43.48 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 15:43.50 | liable | RvGaTe: fail2ban is a little script or iptables recent module |
| 15:43.53 | stoned | about to be though |
| 15:44.16 | DevilChaos | stoned you listening to doosh doosh doosh? |
| 15:44.24 | RvGaTe | liable, could you tell me more about this fail2ban ? |
| 15:44.41 | stoned | lol |
| 15:44.59 | abrotman | RvGaTe: iptables has rate limiting |
| 15:45.00 | liable | RvGaTe: nope. i havent used it. i use iptables cause fail2ban isnt in sarge |
| 15:45.03 | jatt | !lol |
| 15:45.03 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 15:45.24 | DevilChaos | aol aol aol |
| 15:45.26 | DevilChaos | oh no |
| 15:45.31 | RvGaTe | hehe |
| 15:45.36 | DevilChaos | i hate aol |
| 15:45.36 | petemc | titter |
| 15:45.40 | stoned | RvGaTe, iptables -I INPUT x.x.x.x -j DROP |
| 15:45.43 | RvGaTe | abrotman, rate limiting ? |
| 15:45.47 | stoned | RvGaTe, its easy |
| 15:45.50 | stoned | aol? |
| 15:45.53 | stoned | fuck aol |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | RvGaTe: google for it |
| 15:45.59 | RvGaTe | stoned, doing that manually for all the ip's that try to login... hmmm |
| 15:46.00 | DevilChaos | america on line |
| 15:46.04 | DevilChaos | heh |
| 15:46.09 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=iptables+rate+limit+ssh&btnG=Google+Search |
| 15:46.13 | stoned | RvGaTe, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 15:46.24 | liable | that debian admin site has a little howto about it |
| 15:46.34 | aventis | how does this dpkg picks up words of discussion in this channel? |
| 15:46.42 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 15:46.42 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 15:46.43 | asg | aventis: /msg dpkg help |
| 15:47.09 | liable | RvGaTe: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 15:47.12 | aventis | ic |
| 15:47.18 | DevilChaos | debian kicks ass merry christmas everybody thanks again for the help liable and everyone |
| 15:47.19 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | whole words!!!!!!! |
| 15:47.36 | RvGaTe | stoned, when i check the logfiles of ssh and ftp, i see many people trying to login... all failed offcourse... the ip's are mostly the same, (x.x.x.x tries to login 400 times and fails)... obviously this is not a regular user... so i want him banned... automaticly |
| 15:47.48 | DevilChaos | bbfn |
| 15:47.51 | DevilChaos | :) |
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| 15:48.16 | RvGaTe | liable, reading it... looks interesting |
| 15:48.21 | abrotman | RvGaTe: see the URL liable gave you |
| 15:48.36 | RvGaTe | abrotman, already doing that) |
| 15:49.16 | enouf | DevilChaos: you're not going to get acpi working with an acpi=off option in the kernel line ,, but while you've been goofin offf .. I've been a looking round .. see http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonxpress200mIntel/specs.html just for some Chipset info anyway |
| 15:49.19 | stoned | RvGaTe, so you want to see how many occurances of an attemp to login from a certain ip? How about you make a script to parse the log files, get an ip that was failed login many times, and automatically tell iptables to ban it with a simple input and -j drop |
| 15:49.32 | enouf | !customer |
| 15:49.33 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 15:49.36 | stoned | RvGaTe, im sure you could write it in anumber of languages |
| 15:49.56 | enouf | dude likes to reboot .. but without altering anything consequential .. |
| 15:49.58 | RvGaTe | stoned, im not good in programming scripts like that |
| 15:50.12 | stoned | RvGaTe, its about time you learned :) very very very useful |
| 15:50.34 | stoned | RvGaTe, use perl |
| 15:50.35 | RvGaTe | stoned, its christmass... why would i learn how to program on christmass :P |
| 15:50.39 | stoned | lol |
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| 15:50.46 | stoned | i dunno, cuz your'e bored |
| 15:50.57 | RvGaTe | stoned, ha ! me bored? well... not today ;) |
| 15:51.20 | stoned | RvGaTe, gimme your ip and your root password and i'll code it for ya |
| 15:51.20 | RvGaTe | brb, me hungry |
| 15:51.28 | stoned | lol, j/k |
| 15:51.31 | stoned | go munch |
| 15:51.56 | RvGaTe | stoned, you think im that stupid? wiat, ill give you the keys to my house and car aswell... hey, here's my gf to ! :P |
| 15:52.14 | stoned | really |
| 15:52.17 | stoned | thanks man |
| 15:52.25 | stoned | thats the way to get in christmas spirit of sharing |
| 15:52.32 | stoned | share the GF |
| 15:52.33 | stoned | god bless you |
| 15:52.34 | RvGaTe | hehe |
| 15:52.43 | RvGaTe | brb |
| 15:53.59 | abchirk | rc webalizer 2.01.10-26 Web server log analysis program |
| 15:53.59 | abchirk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.25 | liable | dpkg -P webalizer |
| 15:54.40 | itchi | liable: fail2ban is backported btw |
| 15:54.40 | liable | abchirk: man apt-get (--purge option) |
| 15:55.08 | liable | itchi: i dont do backports on my sarge boxen. havent had the need. |
| 15:55.16 | RvGaTe | *munch* *munch* *munch* |
| 15:55.30 | abchirk | thx |
| 15:56.11 | itchi | RvGaTe: I have somethings wroten about it, if interesting (i have not yet reach all my goal) pyssh-watcher. Maybe just look to the code or so?? |
| 15:56.24 | RvGaTe | itchi, |
| 15:56.25 | stoned | abchirk, apt-get --purge remove abrotman |
| 15:56.26 | RvGaTe | sure |
| 15:56.28 | stoned | :D |
| 15:56.55 | abchirk | lol |
| 15:57.12 | amphi | !fix stoned |
| 15:57.21 | RvGaTe | ohnooos |
| 15:57.32 | stoned | amphi, you probably like Bob Barker |
| 15:57.37 | stoned | die already. |
| 15:57.41 | amphi | stoned: who he? |
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| 15:57.59 | stoned | amphi, oh don't pretend like you don't know that the price is right |
| 15:58.07 | amphi | stoned: huh? |
| 15:58.14 | stoned | wow, you really don't know |
| 15:58.47 | stoned | wikipedia bob barker |
| 15:59.09 | amphi | oh, us tv stuff - of course I don't know ;) |
| 15:59.11 | stoned | "Keep the pet population down and have your pet spade or neutered" |
| 15:59.22 | enouf | adam sandler popped his ass |
| 15:59.25 | amphi | what were you thinking? ;) |
| 15:59.59 | stoned | eno-away, adamn sandler got his little bitch ass whooped by the old mna |
| 16:00.00 | amphi | stoned: ah |
| 16:00.00 | jooopyme | does someone knows the correct sentence? "with redhat you live on the bleeding adge and it makes you bleed" |
| 16:00.00 | enouf | heh |
| 16:00.00 | amphi | jooopyme: s/adge/edge |
| 16:00.09 | jooopyme | amphi: ok |
| 16:01.26 | RvGaTe | stoned, looks like i could do it with php ;) |
| 16:01.28 | liable | with redhat, you live on the bleeding edge and it make baby jesus cry? |
| 16:01.38 | liable | *groan* |
| 16:01.46 | itchi | RvGaTe: Sure you can do it too |
| 16:01.50 | liable | RvGaTe: whats wrong with two lines of bash? |
| 16:01.59 | RvGaTe | liable, dont know bash... |
| 16:02.23 | itchi | RvGaTe: #bash :-) and look for the bash docs you have on your system |
| 16:02.23 | RvGaTe | liable, i used some basic stuff a year ago, but i cant recall it |
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| 16:02.58 | liable | its two lines that call iptables |
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| 16:03.17 | amphi | as "Mary Mother of God must have been a heterogametic reptoid" (http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/12/genetics_of_virgin_birth_in_th.php), it is not certain that baby jesus could cry ;) |
| 16:04.11 | RvGaTe | liable, but probably allot more to read all the logfiles, grab all the failed, count how many times a certain ip failed, ban that ip if the count > 20 ? |
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| 16:05.20 | stoned | I got aboslut vodka |
| 16:05.25 | stoned | absolute(* |
| 16:05.33 | stoned | my typig suck toady |
| 16:05.39 | stoned | argh! |
| 16:05.40 | RvGaTe | stoned, so there is relative vodka to? |
| 16:05.54 | stoned | RvGaTe, look it up |
| 16:06.01 | mc__ | everything ist relative |
| 16:06.04 | amphi | 'Absolut' |
| 16:06.13 | stoned | one of the most popular vodkas |
| 16:06.15 | mc__ | e=mc² |
| 16:06.15 | stoned | amphi, hehe |
| 16:06.21 | liable | amphi: eek |
| 16:06.40 | amphi | liable: what, virgin birth in the komodo? |
| 16:06.44 | stoned | mc__, you're right, but so far there are only 3 undeniable universal consntants |
| 16:06.53 | stoned | 3 absolutes only and no more |
| 16:06.59 | liable | amphi: ya, never heard of that shit before |
| 16:07.04 | mc__ | stoned: which are those? |
| 16:07.23 | obsethryl | hello, which package is alternatives in ? |
| 16:07.28 | amphi | liable: no I - someone posted it in another channel a couple of days ago - very 'festive' ;) |
| 16:07.31 | obsethryl | i mean /usr/sbin/alternatives |
| 16:07.40 | amphi | obsethryl: ask dpkg -S |
| 16:07.55 | obsethryl | k tx |
| 16:08.06 | stoned | Existence, cogito. egro sum. Can't deny your existence. 2, causality, information must be sent before it can be recieved, effect cannot precede the cause, 3, nothing. in the absence of something, there is nothing |
| 16:08.06 | amphi | !aolify obsethryl |
| 16:08.18 | stoned | mc__, thats about all I know |
| 16:08.20 | obsethryl | ... |
| 16:08.24 | obsethryl | are you a moron or something? |
| 16:08.28 | obsethryl | babbling idiot... |
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| 16:08.38 | amphi | !customer |
| 16:08.38 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 16:09.10 | itchi | RvGaTe: Got this link of enouf i think, very useful http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
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| 16:09.50 | RvGaTe | itchi, there we go, now thats very usefull indeed :) |
| 16:09.50 | liable | mc__: what term you using? |
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| 16:10.20 | mc__ | liable: mrxvt,why? |
| 16:10.41 | amphi | mc__: same here - not many seem to use it |
| 16:11.14 | liable | mc__: unicode |
| 16:11.20 | mc__ | amphi: i love it,it has a small memory footprint and hast tabs,i dont need more |
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| 16:12.46 | mastroquet | liable : mrxvt unicode ? |
| 16:13.07 | amphi | mc__: agreed |
| 16:13.30 | mastroquet | I love mrxvt but I thought it didn't support unicode |
| 16:13.54 | enouf | Big Brother : Big Business .. yay \o/ ... merry xmas |
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| 16:16.21 | marvilleke | hi everyone |
| 16:16.21 | marvilleke | merry christmas |
| 16:16.28 | mc__ | mastroquet: there is a branch of mrxvt which supports unicode |
| 16:16.30 | enouf | itchi: visit #bash for more :-) |
| 16:16.53 | itchi | marvilleke: Hello (no spam; us have an #debian-nl and some dutch pages on the debian's wiki ) |
| 16:16.57 | mastroquet | mc__ : I didn't know that |
| 16:16.59 | itchi | enouf: Yeah! :-) |
| 16:17.02 | marvilleke | Ihave a question about my sound device |
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| 16:17.35 | enouf | itchi: ot watch cnbc (for now .. it usually sucks) to see how the US likes to screw it's citizens |
| 16:17.40 | enouf | or* |
| 16:17.57 | marvilleke | I can only play my mp3 files as i am launchin a mplayer as root |
| 16:18.21 | itchi | marvilleke: You should add your user to the audio group, then log out and login back |
| 16:18.38 | marvilleke | this means other users on my system can hear the mp3 becouse ther are no member of group root |
| 16:18.56 | marvilleke | okay thnxs itchi ;-)) |
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| 16:20.24 | x_link | xset -dpms s off s noblank s noexpose should that be done as root or what? |
| 16:20.31 | x_link | errr |
| 16:20.36 | x_link | Wrong channel..... |
| 16:21.13 | aventis | which is the best rated debian based kde distro? any omments ? |
| 16:21.31 | abrotman | aventis: debian |
| 16:21.36 | x_link | Kubuntu? =) |
| 16:21.38 | SurgeX | Debian |
| 16:21.42 | beardy | Debian. |
| 16:21.48 | abrotman | aventis: if you want to know about anytthing else .. ask ##linux |
| 16:21.51 | liable | red hat! |
| 16:21.52 | SurgeX | I dling it right now |
| 16:21.53 | amphi | aventis: debian |
| 16:22.10 | aventis | liable: :) |
| 16:22.13 | tralala | microsoft suse |
| 16:22.30 | aventis | so all vote for Debian KDE :) |
| 16:22.41 | aventis | ok, im downloading it |
| 16:22.45 | beardy | aventis: No. Noone wants KDE. |
| 16:23.02 | itchi | aventis: Imagine you that us should promote somethings others as Debian?? haha |
| 16:23.22 | beardy | Sunday was yesterday. |
| 16:24.01 | tralala | babelfish should do better |
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| 16:25.04 | olskolirc | ? |
| 16:25.06 | olskolirc | w |
| 16:25.08 | olskolirc | ? |
| 16:25.10 | olskolirc | well |
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| 16:25.31 | olskolirc | i was testing out my kopete, but, it crashed and logged me out :-/ |
| 16:25.32 | aventis | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.50 | olskolirc | ? |
| 16:26.08 | beardy | olskolirc: Perhaps you were typing question marks on single lines. It hates that. |
| 16:26.09 | liable | olskolirc: thats a comment, not a question. |
| 16:26.13 | olskolirc | never mind, my irc goes ? every now and then |
| 16:26.20 | olskolirc | i dont know why lmao |
| 16:26.49 | amphi | aventis: it's a cult, be warned |
| 16:26.49 | liable | get a better client :P |
| 16:27.09 | itchi | olskolirc: Tryout irssi, you will be many more happy :-) |
| 16:27.21 | olskolirc | im using mirc sysreset script and running it in crossover office |
| 16:27.27 | liable | stupid konsole is supposed to support unicode, but i am fucked if i can get it to work |
| 16:27.30 | olskolirc | oh i tried irssi and didn't like it |
| 16:27.34 | liable | ewwww |
| 16:27.35 | beardy | olskolirc: ... what the fuck.. |
| 16:27.36 | olskolirc | id sooner use bitch x |
| 16:27.39 | olskolirc | lol |
| 16:27.49 | olskolirc | mmmm yeah |
| 16:28.01 | loca|host | i did an upgrade on my server this night and got sendmail not starting :( |
| 16:28.02 | loca|host | Saving old /etc/mail/sendmail.cf as /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.old ... |
| 16:28.02 | loca|host | start-stop-daemon: need at least one of --exec, --pidfile or --user |
| 16:28.02 | loca|host | Try `start-stop-daemon --help' for more information. |
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| 16:28.12 | loca|host | sorry |
| 16:28.15 | mc__ | liable: try rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 16:28.30 | loca|host | thought a 3lines pasting will not throw me out :) |
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| 16:28.44 | loca|host | anyone could help me ? |
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| 16:29.03 | liable | mc__: i have no idea why, but i really like konsole. firstly for the tabs, but it just looks nice to me and i like it |
| 16:29.28 | liable | even though it makes me install a shitload of kde crap |
| 16:29.45 | mc__ | liable: liable,well I like Konsole too,but i love kde at all |
| 16:29.45 | abrotman | gnome-terminal has tabs |
| 16:29.54 | amphi | mrxvt has tabs |
| 16:29.58 | beardy | loca|host: If you ask your question, maybe. |
| 16:30.02 | liable | aventis: gnome-terminal is ugly as fuck |
| 16:30.03 | abrotman | he did |
| 16:30.04 | itchi | screen :-) |
| 16:30.07 | stoned | multi gnome term |
| 16:30.11 | beardy | !sendmail |
| 16:30.12 | dpkg | hmm... sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 16:30.13 | loca|host | i did an upgrade on my server this night and got sendmail not starting :( |
| 16:30.17 | loca|host | Saving old /etc/mail/sendmail.cf as /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.old ... |
| 16:30.20 | loca|host | start-stop-daemon: need at least one of --exec, --pidfile or --user |
| 16:30.24 | loca|host | Try `start-stop-daemon --help' for more information. |
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| 16:30.27 | liable | i tried mrxvt too, and its ugly too |
| 16:30.30 | itchi | !tell loca|host -about rules |
| 16:30.30 | abrotman | stop pasting |
| 16:30.33 | stoned | beardy, msg |
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| 16:30.50 | loca|host | ok itchi sorry |
| 16:30.55 | loca|host | just 3 lines |
| 16:30.56 | amphi | liable: ugly? it's just a term |
| 16:31.04 | liable | amphi: gtk |
| 16:31.16 | stoned | I like qt |
| 16:31.29 | itchi | loca|host: Not only that paste ;-) We have some brain to remember the same question 2 mins before |
| 16:31.32 | olskolirc | is there a gui version of irssi? |
| 16:31.39 | stoned | yeh |
| 16:31.40 | liable | amphi: or whatever it is. konsole is the only one with tabs i find asthetially pleasing :P |
| 16:31.47 | itchi | s/before/later/ |
| 16:31.49 | stoned | irssi in X in a terminal |
| 16:31.50 | olskolirc | id like to check that out |
| 16:31.50 | stoned | :D |
| 16:32.07 | stoned | no there is no gui, however bx has a gui fe |
| 16:32.12 | liable | i think there may be an x irssi actually |
| 16:32.14 | loca|host | itchi, :) thought that no one saw it |
| 16:32.26 | mc__ | amphi: but no unicode |
| 16:32.26 | olskolirc | ok |
| 16:32.27 | mc__ | !pastebin |
| 16:32.27 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 16:32.31 | stoned | really |
| 16:32.39 | liable | hrm, maybe not |
| 16:32.40 | amphi | liable: mrxvt does not link to gtk, at least not the one I have; I guess I don't have the artistic temperament so highly developed, mrxvt's tabs are quite acceptable to me |
| 16:32.44 | stoned | !paste mc_ |
| 16:32.44 | dpkg | mc_: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 16:32.48 | loca|host | so isnt it a habitual problem ? any one got an idea how to solve this upgrade break ? |
| 16:32.54 | stoned | faster than pastebin |
| 16:32.56 | amphi | mc__: no unicode, but I can live with that |
| 16:32.57 | stoned | debian rules |
| 16:33.00 | abrotman | loca|host: have you checked the BTS ? |
| 16:33.25 | mc__ | amphi: me2 |
| 16:33.29 | loca|host | gonne there now ! |
| 16:33.33 | mc__ | amphi: but liable needs it |
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| 16:33.43 | abrotman | mc__: where did you learn to speak english? |
| 16:33.44 | amphi | mc__: ah |
| 16:33.57 | liable | amphi: i am not so much for eye candy usually, i just like konsole as a xterm and wish the fucker did unicode, and like to whine about it :) |
| 16:34.05 | amphi | abrotman: you mean which irc network? ;) |
| 16:34.10 | abrotman | !wud |
| 16:34.10 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 16:34.30 | mc__ | abrotman: is my english so bad? |
| 16:34.40 | aventis | liable: eye candy is important, debian is eye candy? |
| 16:34.41 | amphi | liable: konsole doesn't either? I'd assumed it did ;) |
| 16:34.43 | abrotman | you used a number instead of a word .... |
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| 16:34.56 | mc__ | abrotman: where? |
| 16:35.01 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 16:35.05 | liable | amphi: apparently not in debian without some environment fuckage |
| 16:35.11 | amphi | mc__> amphi: me2 |
| 16:35.16 | mc__ | abrotman: oh I see |
| 16:35.23 | mc__ | abrotman: you guys dont like aolism |
| 16:35.24 | petemc | itym ic |
| 16:35.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 16:35.33 | amphi | liable: uhuh - well, I don't use an k stuff |
| 16:36.11 | liable | me either, cept for it |
| 16:36.23 | petemc | abrotman: you having cheesesteak for xmas dinner? |
| 16:36.35 | abrotman | petemc: possibly .. as yet undecided |
| 16:36.39 | petemc | :) |
| 16:36.49 | petemc | i had spuds and guinness |
| 16:36.52 | rysiek|pl | anybody knows unionfs here? for from what I have read on the net, the branches of a union have to be already mounted (i.e. I cannot do: mount -t union -o dirs=/dev/hdX1:/dev/hdX2 ...) |
| 16:37.03 | liable | i had one of the best burgers evar for xmas dinnah tonight |
| 16:37.17 | abrotman | though i'll probably be eating out the rest of the week downtown i guess .. so maybe i'll just grab something at home |
| 16:37.35 | rysiek|pl | thank god where I live we have some real food for xmass dinner |
| 16:37.42 | abrotman | mom's ? |
| 16:38.02 | rysiek|pl | you can call it mom's, yeah |
| 16:38.05 | liable | my folks are about 3000 miles away |
| 16:38.19 | abrotman | i got snowed in .. not my fault! |
| 16:38.32 | abrotman | though .. honestly i don't really care .. |
| 16:38.45 | rysiek|pl | now, now, I am not judging, I am only remarking on how good it is to (...) ;) |
| 16:39.11 | abrotman | depends if your mom/dad can cook |
| 16:39.12 | rysiek|pl | anyways, anybody with the unionfs question? |
| 16:39.17 | aventis | liable:) |
| 16:39.35 | aventis | i got the answer for kde cd1 now |
| 16:39.55 | rysiek|pl | *ducks |
| 16:39.57 | liable | petemc: i guess guiness is acceptable substitute for meat :) |
| 16:40.10 | aventis | " (21:38:03) Kano: aventis: that cd has an installer, i installed it" |
| 16:40.13 | liable | aventis: excellant |
| 16:40.19 | petemc | rysiek|pl: i dont use it, but from what you said, you would point it at the mount points, like /mnt/hda1 , rather than /dev/hda1 .. |
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| 16:40.25 | rysiek|pl | guinness is an acceptable substitute for pretty much everything |
| 16:40.31 | gravity | heh |
| 16:40.37 | aventis | Kano of kanotix told me about getting this kde debian cd |
| 16:40.51 | abrotman | aventis: then ask #kanotix .. NOT US |
| 16:41.00 | abrotman | aventis: we support Debian .. not Debian-based distros |
| 16:41.01 | rysiek|pl | petemc: yeah, that's what I am asking - IF there is a possibility to use not yet mounted volumes |
| 16:41.04 | liable | he wants debian though |
| 16:41.11 | abrotman | !d-i aventis |
| 16:41.11 | dpkg | aventis, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:41.45 | liable | abrotman: he asked about the kde.iso and i had no clue about it, i only found out about it the other day from azeem |
| 16:42.05 | abrotman | liable: the d-i KDE CD1 or whatever it is |
| 16:42.10 | liable | yep |
| 16:42.18 | abrotman | yeah .. seems silly . but whatever |
| 16:42.20 | aventis | abrotman: u r getting furious for nothing, read what i said, Kano suggested to me Debian ,not kanotix :) |
| 16:42.36 | abrotman | aventis: i'm going to get really pissed if you keep talking like that :) |
| 16:42.55 | azeem | you're opressing Prince fans |
| 16:43.08 | azeem | eh, s/you're/ur/ |
| 16:43.09 | abrotman | guinness ? |
| 16:43.11 | liable | yikes |
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| 16:43.57 | SurgeX | time to install debian |
| 16:44.01 | boodie | Ok - merry christmas |
| 16:44.06 | aventis | abrotman: relax , it`s x-mas :) |
| 16:44.12 | gravity | Why is kanotix still alive again? |
| 16:44.13 | abrotman | what's that ? |
| 16:44.18 | liable | pffft, xmas was *so* yesterday! :P |
| 16:44.29 | abrotman | gravity: they have their own packages |
| 16:44.48 | gravity | Maybe we need a daily automated livecd build of unstable |
| 16:44.50 | boodie | depends on your position on this planet |
| 16:45.04 | abrotman | oh .. that'd be so much fun to support here :) |
| 16:45.12 | gravity | heh |
| 16:45.19 | gravity | I wouldn't really do it. |
| 16:45.27 | gravity | I'm not *that* evil |
| 16:45.28 | azeem | gravity: then people would start doing livecds with experimental gnome and beryl, and stuff |
| 16:45.32 | liable | it would be insane |
| 16:45.45 | abrotman | then they'd turn into gentoo liveCDs or something |
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| 16:45.47 | liable | beryl hit exp? |
| 16:46.01 | abrotman | !info beryl experimental |
| 16:46.02 | azeem | liable: different placement of parenthesis |
| 16:46.06 | loca|host | abrotman, just reported the bug via reportbug |
| 16:46.13 | azeem | with (experimental gnome) and beryl |
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| 16:46.18 | abrotman | loca|host: you were supposed to look to see if it was alredy there |
| 16:46.21 | liable | i dont think dpkg does the exp repo |
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| 16:46.36 | loca|host | abrotman, seeked for it, nothing |
| 16:46.38 | abrotman | yes he does |
| 16:46.42 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel experimental |
| 16:46.46 | liable | prove it! |
| 16:46.53 | abrotman | i have to find oen that is there! |
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| 16:47.06 | loca|host | abrotman, do you mean that there's other bugs like this one ? |
| 16:47.11 | abrotman | !info initng experimental |
| 16:47.13 | dpkg | initng: (Full replacement of the old sysvinit tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.5.2-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 1548 kB |
| 16:47.15 | loca|host | abrotman, i didnt really find any |
| 16:47.15 | abrotman | loca|host: there might be |
| 16:47.17 | abrotman | liable: see! |
| 16:47.22 | liable | heh |
| 16:47.25 | liable | !win abrotman |
| 16:47.25 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 16:48.04 | net3rror | hey |
| 16:48.09 | liable | last beer, then i really will go to bed |
| 16:48.09 | abrotman | thingfish: no more dialup! |
| 16:48.16 | abrotman | !beer liable |
| 16:48.24 | boodie | Well, I have a python script to be executed by apache2 on etch, managing a postgresql database. It doesn't know what to do with the script, apache error says: "No module named pg" under woody, I had a module called this way, but now I don't know where to look |
| 16:48.31 | thingfish | abrotman: nope! :) |
| 16:48.41 | thingfish | oh I mean yep! |
| 16:48.44 | marvilleke | got to thnxs dude's |
| 16:48.48 | abrotman | boodie: need python pgsql support maybe ? |
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| 16:49.03 | marvilleke | Itchy thnxs for your swift reply ;-)) |
| 16:49.08 | boodie | abrot: suppose so |
| 16:49.25 | ohad | hi, can anyone recommend a good vps or other good hosting service? |
| 16:49.42 | abrotman | that uses debian ? |
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| 16:50.18 | ohad | abrotman, they can have any *nix hosting really.. |
| 16:50.39 | abrotman | i know a SCO hosting company ... |
| 16:50.42 | ohad | abrotman, i need around 1tera of bandwidth tho. |
| 16:51.02 | amphi | abrotman: heh |
| 16:51.03 | abrotman | ohad: that's a lot .. |
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| 16:51.28 | ohad | abrotman, i know. what do you mean by SCO? |
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| 16:52.17 | abrotman | ohad: sounds like an ask slashdot question to me! |
| 16:52.28 | ohad | abrotman, maybe a bit less.. |
| 16:52.29 | ohad | ok |
| 16:52.30 | ohad | thx |
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| 16:53.19 | abrotman | dreamhost maybe ? |
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| 16:56.46 | olskolirc | does irssi have default setting or do i have to set them up by myself |
| 16:57.02 | liable | yourself |
| 16:57.02 | ohad | abrotman i was thinking of them actually..not sure if i should |
| 16:57.07 | olskolirc | ok |
| 16:57.15 | olskolirc | i think i have enough |
| 16:57.15 | liable | ohad: as in autojoin and stuff? |
| 16:57.19 | olskolirc | brb |
| 16:57.35 | liable | stupid tab complete |
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| 16:58.06 | ohad | liable, i don't understand your comment |
| 16:58.15 | olskolirc | im on irsii now |
| 16:58.15 | boodie | I apted the python-pgsql support, but still with no effect ... |
| 16:58.43 | aventis | liable: time to crash, thanks for your help |
| 16:58.44 | liable | ohad: it wasnt meant for you. sorry |
| 16:58.53 | liable | aventis: no problem |
| 16:58.57 | aventis | see you laters |
| 16:58.58 | ohad | liable, ok |
| 16:59.00 | olskolirc | i can't page up? |
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| 16:59.14 | liable | olskolirc: you should be able to |
| 16:59.27 | olskolirc | shift+page up won't do it |
| 16:59.34 | liable | no shift |
| 16:59.41 | olskolirc | ahhhh ok |
| 16:59.41 | amphi | olskolirc: in irssi? just pgup |
| 16:59.56 | boodie | > SIGH < |
| 17:00.03 | amphi | olskolirc: shift-pgup is to scroll back the term |
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| 17:00.13 | olskolirc | got it |
| 17:00.15 | olskolirc | thanks |
| 17:00.40 | liable | olskolirc: the irssi web site has some great docs, and themes too |
| 17:00.52 | beardy | Not the same as scrolling irssi. |
| 17:01.03 | irssitest | themes huh |
| 17:01.08 | beardy | If PageUp isn't responding, seek the solution in X. |
| 17:01.22 | irssitest | im not done setting it up, i got impatient |
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| 17:01.34 | tralala | and if your pgup is broken consider /help scrollback |
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| 17:03.10 | olskolirc | they want me to msg nickserv identify here |
| 17:03.24 | olskolirc | last time i did that i gave my password to the channel on irssi |
| 17:03.37 | liable | hah |
| 17:03.38 | olskolirc | i see it took anyway |
| 17:03.41 | olskolirc | i don't trust this |
| 17:04.15 | liable | olskolirc: if you dont have it auto identify, i always do it in the server channel to avoid that problem |
| 17:04.40 | amphi | olskolirc: or /query nickserv first |
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| 17:05.22 | olskolirc | hwo do i tell it to automatically identify me |
| 17:05.29 | olskolirc | without putting in the password |
| 17:05.49 | beardy | Not possible, obviously. |
| 17:06.01 | olskolirc | ok just do that first then |
| 17:06.05 | olskolirc | brb |
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| 17:07.31 | liable | olskolirc: http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup#c3 |
| 17:07.32 | itchi | olskolirc: Just do it in the first window (that of freenode query) |
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| 17:08.49 | olskolirc | oh it didn't like when i went /NETWORD ADD |
| 17:08.53 | olskolirc | or /SERVER ADD |
| 17:08.59 | olskolirc | said command not found |
| 17:09.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: MERRY CHRISTMAS |
| 17:09.22 | liable | typo? /netword? |
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| 17:09.30 | olskolirc | yeah |
| 17:09.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you see there's a new brutalchess xmas 0.5 version out? |
| 17:09.32 | threw | hi all ! |
| 17:09.36 | olskolirc | was /NETWORK |
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| 17:10.31 | olskolirc | someone send me a msg |
| 17:10.31 | threw | i have a question: does anyone know how to know the Dot Clock Frequency of my Graphic card (an NVIDIA Geforce 4MX 440 AGP 8X) please ? |
| 17:10.37 | olskolirc | i want to see how it works on this |
| 17:11.31 | enouf | olskolirc: /usr/share/doc/irssi/startup-HOWTO.html |
| 17:11.54 | olskolirc | its red |
| 17:12.03 | enouf | !luv olskolirc |
| 17:12.04 | olskolirc | i could get addicted to this |
| 17:12.06 | threw | anyone has an idea please ? |
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| 17:12.25 | liable | you wont get /msg unless you are identified |
| 17:12.34 | olskolirc | i have all the attention now threw because im cuter |
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| 17:12.47 | threw | ok :): i have a question: does anyone know how to know the Dot Clock Frequency of my Graphic card (an NVIDIA Geforce 4MX 440 AGP 8X) please ? |
| 17:12.56 | abrotman | tarzeau: no |
| 17:13.06 | olskolirc | hi abrotman |
| 17:13.13 | olskolirc | abrotman are you married? |
| 17:13.17 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:13.21 | olskolirc | just askin |
| 17:13.23 | enouf | threw: glxinfo? |
| 17:13.23 | abrotman | what kind of god damn question is that ? |
| 17:13.29 | olskolirc | a good one |
| 17:13.31 | itchi | threw: google, ##hardware, #nvidia?? |
| 17:13.48 | olskolirc | lol enouf |
| 17:13.55 | enouf | :-) |
| 17:14.16 | threw | enouf: no it seems to dont display at all any information about Dot clock |
| 17:14.18 | liable | olskolirc: ping |
| 17:14.41 | threw | itchi: google anwswer me nothing good, and im askin now on those chanels :) |
| 17:14.46 | olskolirc | whats ping for liable |
| 17:14.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: can zou cook? |
| 17:15.10 | abrotman | i cook a lot |
| 17:15.20 | olskolirc | oh good i can msg dpkg |
| 17:15.25 | liable | olskolirc: i thought you were actually just wanting someone to address you to see what irssi did. |
| 17:15.26 | olskolirc | i might like this |
| 17:15.44 | olskolirc | i set up some of it |
| 17:15.51 | enouf | threw: wtf is dot clock anyway? oh .. it's pixel clock |
| 17:16.01 | olskolirc | i don't feel stable about it until i learn it all and finish setting it up |
| 17:16.04 | threw | oops, yes, pixel clock ;Ã |
| 17:16.07 | threw | :) |
| 17:16.14 | olskolirc | themes too huh. i seen them. i could like this lil toy |
| 17:16.19 | itchi | olskolirc: Take also an look to the additional scripts |
| 17:16.30 | olskolirc | ooooooo scripts too huh |
| 17:16.38 | enouf | threw: as root .. grep -ir pixel /proc/sys/ |
| 17:16.42 | olskolirc | i need somene to hold my hand but it takes up too much time :-( |
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| 17:17.59 | olskolirc | they have a linux room on paltalk and audio/video/chat room |
| 17:18.04 | olskolirc | channel rather |
| 17:18.18 | olskolirc | a windows program |
| 17:18.30 | threw | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/raw/291710 |
| 17:18.34 | olskolirc | brb |
| 17:19.34 | enouf | threw look here for specs on your card file:///home/stompthebozo/mozbookmarks.html |
| 17:19.38 | enouf | crap |
| 17:19.53 | enouf | here http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm threw |
| 17:20.29 | x_link | enouf you gangsta =) |
| 17:20.35 | liable | hehe |
| 17:20.51 | liable | wtf is stompthebozo? |
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| 17:21.20 | liable | interesting username |
| 17:21.21 | enouf | liable: my win98 username is FUCKYOUBILLYRATBAG |
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| 17:21.45 | threw | enouf: is it the "Core" value that i should look on ? |
| 17:22.02 | enouf | Now you know whom one of the b0z0s is |
| 17:23.22 | enouf | threw: that's your core clock .. |
| 17:23.30 | olskolirc | how do i open up a motd window from here without parting this room? |
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| 17:23.41 | threw | yes, so this page doesnt show me the Pixel Clock no ? |
| 17:23.46 | enouf | threw: you meme is there too 200MHz 128bit DDR |
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| 17:23.57 | liable | olskolirc: /topic |
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| 17:24.07 | liable | olskolirc: or for the server? |
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| 17:24.28 | olskolirc | yes, server window i guess. im using irssi |
| 17:24.49 | threw | <enouf> is meme= Picel Clock ?! |
| 17:24.53 | liable | go to the server channel and scroll up |
| 17:24.54 | threw | Pixel* |
| 17:25.13 | olskolirc | let me test something |
| 17:25.18 | itchi | olskolirc: You want #irssi |
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| 17:25.29 | itchi | olskolirc: Also #fakeone |
| 17:25.48 | olskolirc | ok i went to #bash and i still see you typing to me here |
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| 17:26.29 | enouf | threw http://phys-ds.physics.lsa.umich.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-2097/NVIDIA+GeForce+4+MX+440+AGP8X+README.1.0-5328 search `startx -- -logverbose 5 |
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| 17:27.02 | liable | ^n and ^p to change up/down channels, or <esc> then <chan no> |
| 17:27.11 | olskolirc | ok i think im done with this toy |
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| 17:27.24 | olskolirc | going back to mirc through crossover |
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| 17:27.40 | enouf | threw (--) NVIDIA(0): Display Device 0: maximum pixel clock at 32 bpp: 300 MHz |
| 17:27.53 | itchi | olskolirc: Not yet, you once you know how to use it ... You go to be convinced to no more use somethings others as irssi for irc :-) |
| 17:28.09 | Malagmyr | olskolirc: give x-chat a try if you want something a bit more mirc-like |
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| 17:29.08 | amphi | itchi: that was almost gnomic in its obscurity ;) |
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| 17:29.59 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 17:30.06 | olskolirc | t |
| 17:30.06 | olskolirc | ? |
| 17:30.10 | olskolirc | his is much better for me |
| 17:30.15 | enouf | threw: if using xorg you may be able to grep -i pixel /var/log/Xorg.0.log if your verbosity isaccording to nvidia |
| 17:30.49 | liable | that really works well |
| 17:30.53 | Malagmyr | ... |
| 17:31.05 | Malagmyr | -olskolirc- VERSION SysReset 2.53.27. Running Addons: AutoVoicer2 1.05 + Web Update 1.18 + System Information 1.17 + Skins Browser 1.01 + Timed Server Events Addon 1.11 + Simple Spam Blocker 1.07 + Messages Addon 1.01 + Log Reader 1.06 + KeepAlive 1.02 + FTP Ad 1.12 + File Server Tracker 1.16 + File Server Browser 1.15 +.. |
| 17:31.12 | Malagmyr | that's a darn lot of version information |
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| 17:31.22 | threw | enouf: i tried and get this file: http://pastebin.ca/raw/291719 . but the interesting line is "(--) NVIDIA(0): IBM C50 (CRT-0): 350.0 MHz maximum pixel clock": isnt the maximum pixel clock of my screen and not of the graphic card ? |
| 17:31.35 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
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| 17:32.14 | elshaa | hi |
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| 17:33.30 | enouf | threw: it would seem so .. yes .. are you using nvidia drivers? |
| 17:33.33 | elshaa | anyone has already been stuck to about 100KB/s with scp through a 10/100 rj45 connexion ? |
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| 17:33.54 | threw | enouf: yes im using nvidia proprietary drivers |
| 17:33.57 | itchi | elshaa: No dma? |
| 17:34.29 | liable | on ethernet? |
| 17:34.34 | enouf | threw: then you seems you need to enable a more verbose Xorg logging .. however they said to do it |
| 17:34.41 | itchi | elshaa: Not realy related, but had some troubles before with hdd speed, and got near the same thing |
| 17:34.43 | enouf | the it* seems |
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| 17:34.59 | fernando | www.pontoconf.com.br |
| 17:35.00 | threw | what is RAMDAC in a graphic card ? is it the stuff that set the frequency of the Pixel Clock please? |
| 17:35.04 | elshaa | yes ethernet. And the speed comes to normal (8MB/s) after some MB transfered |
| 17:35.30 | divya | im a newbie...if u dont mind,can anyone help me with debian for me?? |
| 17:35.32 | liable | fernando: what are you spamming us? |
| 17:35.51 | itchi | ... when the kernel used my SATA as an generic hdd and was viewed as an hda while it should be sda |
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| 17:36.59 | threw | <enouf> erf ok, im trying :) |
| 17:37.13 | liable | out of beer.. must sleep.. |
| 17:37.26 | enouf | threw: man Xorg .. search logverbose .. default is 3 .. you need to start X at a higher number it seems .. maybe 5 or 9 even |
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| 17:37.40 | enouf | !pillow liable |
| 17:38.25 | enouf | threw it's the Digital->Analog Convertor |
| 17:38.29 | itchi | !tell divya -about ask |
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| 17:39.37 | divya | thank you...actually,my consoles are loging in but,my gui screen is not logging in...why so?? |
| 17:39.58 | enouf | threw restart X with the parameter 'startx -- -logverbose 5' |
| 17:40.04 | divya | i mean the clt alt f7 |
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| 17:40.06 | liable | x is misconfigured |
| 17:40.09 | threw | hey ok, soNVIDIA Geforce 4MX has 2 RAMDAC of frequency 350 MHZ: on #hardware they said that means that my Pixel clock is paroximatly of 350 MHz... finally maybe it wasnt the value of the Pixel Clock of the screen but of the graphic card :) |
| 17:40.42 | threw | enouf: i already done this the content is here: http://pastebin.ca/291719 |
| 17:41.14 | threw | but ill try with logverbose=9 |
| 17:41.18 | enouf | rught |
| 17:41.23 | enouf | right* |
| 17:41.24 | threw | ? |
| 17:41.29 | threw | ok |
| 17:41.52 | enouf | threw: note the syntax .. do it correctly |
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| 17:44.43 | divya | itchi:am i clear to u?? Moreover,im new to xchat,so help me out with that.... |
| 17:44.52 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:44.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 17:46.10 | itchi | divya: no |
| 17:46.24 | itchi | divya: I not understand you |
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| 17:49.33 | divya | Actually,i ve installed debian with kde environment,few days ago..i couldnt log in..my login screen was the one displayed again instead of logging in...but,when i logged in through console terminals,it logged in...so,why is it not logging in thru the environment??? |
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| 17:50.50 | threw | enouf, i get this with logverbose 9 : http://pastebin.ca/raw/291736 -> thats list each screen possibilities and selecting only them with EDID is good, e.g EDID under 70.0 MHz and EDID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID => if i good understood (correct me if im wrong :) EDID is a sort of "communication protocol" between graphic card and screen, e.g. 70 Mhz would be the frenquency of my actual monitor ? |
| 17:51.08 | threw | and 350 Mhz would be the Picel clock of my graphic card ? |
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| 17:52.26 | czrtek | does anyone know where to get more info on implementing custom dpkg-hooks? |
| 17:52.32 | itchi | divya: Look to /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 17:53.22 | DUAL_MAN | hello everyone, i'm doing an apt-get dist-upgrade and I have already updates my kernel before, no it's saying i'm attempting to remove it, any way past this? |
| 17:53.31 | enouf | threw: at 1st blush I'd say offhand the @16bpp yes .. but @32bpp .. then less |
| 17:53.32 | divya | itchi:ok |
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| 17:54.30 | DUAL_MAN | can i dist-update without updating the kernel |
| 17:54.43 | DUAL_MAN | since i have already done so? |
| 17:54.53 | divya | itchi:tried running as root too,but didnt log in.. |
| 17:55.00 | threw | enouf: huh, i dont understand what do you want to mean. could u repeat please ? |
| 17:55.19 | abrotman | DUAL_MAN: you really should update it |
| 17:55.24 | itchi | divya: Sorry, it's not yet clear what you tell |
| 17:55.43 | itchi | divya: What's your native language? |
| 17:56.00 | DUAL_MAN | abrotman: i already have, this is what it's telling me: You are running a kernel (version 2.6.8-3-386) and attempting to remove |
| 17:56.00 | DUAL_MAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.00 | DUAL_MAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.00 | DUAL_MAN | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.00 | DUAL_MAN | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:57.03 | DUAL_MAN | sorry forgot...... |
| 17:57.03 | itchi | !tell DUAL_MAN -about paste |
| 17:57.05 | abrotman | that's fine .. it's a security update for that kernel |
| 17:57.13 | mikaella | hello how do you install 3.1r4 iso 1, coz when im being prompted on what type of installation i want i chose cdrom and then after the option to install desktop no longer exist and i end up in the bash |
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| 17:57.28 | DUAL_MAN | abrotman: was that for me |
| 17:57.48 | abrotman | mikaella: apt-setup .. pick an http source .. then install the desktop you want |
| 17:57.50 | abrotman | DUAL_MAN: yes |
| 17:57.56 | enouf | threw I don;t understand even :-P .. you'll have to keep reading and searching .. that's all I know .. review the docs I posted (they're detailed) .. but also know many hardware manu play games with numbers .. so don;t expect too much .. I wonder what your Mobo is .. and it's capabilities |
| 17:58.23 | itchi | mikaella: Maybe once the sources url's added you want to go back to that 'tasksel' (as root user) |
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| 17:58.46 | itchi | s/sources// |
| 17:59.00 | DUAL_MAN | abotman: errors where encountered while processing kernel: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error conde 1 |
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| 17:59.31 | itchi | divya: Maybe you can give #debian-mylanguage a try?? |
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| 18:00.05 | threw | enouf: ok. well, my goal is too know what resolution i will have with an ACER AL2216W: it seems there's will be finally no problem if i follow this forum: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77259 . |
| 18:00.24 | mikaella | ok thanks |
| 18:00.32 | threw | ill buy my screen tomorrow, i will have a fast answer. |
| 18:01.00 | DUAL_MAN | y |
| 18:01.11 | enouf | threw: what's the nvidia module name exactly? |
| 18:01.43 | threw | nvidia |
| 18:01.49 | enouf | threw: do an lsmod | grep nv |
| 18:01.54 | enouf | ok .. you sure? |
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| 18:02.26 | threw | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/raw/291746 |
| 18:02.38 | threw | no im not sure :) |
| 18:02.48 | enouf | threw: look at (as root) modinfo nvidia to se if there are any parameters that may need to be enabled for vebosity/whatever .. I don;t have that module to parse it |
| 18:03.02 | enouf | 'modinfo nvidia' |
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| 18:04.23 | threw | its seems that no: http://pastebin.ca/raw/291748 |
| 18:05.39 | enouf | hehe .. neat trick hwinfo --bridge | grep "Driver Activation Cmd" |
| 18:06.11 | threw | huh ? |
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| 18:08.01 | enouf | threw: take that last pastbin output to #hardware .. there are certainly parameters there that can be set (integer values likely) .. dunno which one would help .. you'll need to apt-get install hwinfo to use it |
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| 18:09.35 | yos87 | Hi, |
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| 18:10.06 | nezemo | Holaaaa |
| 18:10.10 | threw | enouf: ok, but what does hwinfo do please ? |
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| 18:10.20 | enouf | !hwinfo |
| 18:10.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 18:10.45 | enouf | hardware info threw |
| 18:10.46 | yos87 | I have question , I'm trying to mount my second fat32 partition, when mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt it say can't find a valid fat filesystem on dev hda2 , somebody can help me? |
| 18:11.25 | itchi | yos87: You should better to mount it in an sub-dir of /mnt/ |
| 18:11.27 | threw | enouf: hey its a very usefull program ! great ! thanks ! :) |
| 18:11.41 | enouf | yos87: as root .. first mkdir /mnt/vfat2 .. then mount -t vfat /dev/hda2 /mnt/vfat2 |
| 18:11.42 | yos87 | itchi: hi , how are you , nice to meet you again |
| 18:11.50 | itchi | yos87: If you not provide the -t vfat, what's happend? |
| 18:11.50 | enouf | threw: welcome :-) |
| 18:12.23 | yos87 | itchi: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 18:12.28 | itchi | For fat32, is that not autoetected? |
| 18:12.29 | enouf | threw: also check out lshw, and dmidecode apt-cache show <pkg> for more info |
| 18:13.07 | yos87 | enouf: the sam, I made mount -t vfat /hda2 /mnt/fat , the same messege |
| 18:13.15 | czrtek | is there a channel suitable for dpkg-related questions (not newbie ones)? |
| 18:13.37 | tarzeau | czrtek: you're in it |
| 18:13.37 | enouf | yos87: maybe it's not fat |
| 18:13.56 | enouf | tarzeau: other distros also use dpkg |
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| 18:14.04 | tarzeau | enouf: so? |
| 18:14.09 | yos87 | enouf : i try to do the same but with ntfs, the same happened, it cannot be except fat or ntfs |
| 18:14.13 | itchi | yos87: Look with cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:14.13 | enouf | so nothing :-P |
| 18:14.19 | yos87 | enouf: cause I'm sure it's fat |
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| 18:14.44 | czrtek | ok then. I want to run a program when packages are removed via dpkg (not apt) just before dpkg removes the package (after user confirmation/checks etc) |
| 18:14.55 | itchi | yos87: Then, cfdisk, fdisk or whatever |
| 18:14.59 | goil\work | oracle-xe-client with odbc |
| 18:15.00 | yos87 | itchi: there is hda , 1,2,5,6 |
| 18:15.00 | czrtek | is there any way of doing that? looking for similar mechanism as apt hooks but.. |
| 18:15.03 | enouf | yos87: is it a USB key? maybe it's /dev/sda2 |
| 18:15.06 | goil\work | i get error Message: [iODBC][Driver Manager]/usr/lib/oracle/xe/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/client/lib/libsqora.so.10.1: undefined symbol: bcuMsgBoxError |
| 18:15.18 | goil\work | sqlplus no problem |
| 18:15.28 | yos87 | enouf: a master hdd, second partition |
| 18:15.29 | enouf | yos87: patebin your cat /etc/fstab |
| 18:15.30 | czrtek | tarzeau, any ideas? |
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| 18:15.49 | tarzeau | czrtek: yes |
| 18:16.01 | tarzeau | czrtek: actually only dpkg has the hooks. apt doesn't know about them, apt calls dpkg |
| 18:16.04 | yos87 | enouf: ok |
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| 18:16.28 | czrtek | tarzeau, ah, so DPkg:: stuff is parsed by dpkg, not apt? |
| 18:16.36 | tarzeau | czrtek: i think so |
| 18:16.50 | enouf | !dpkg |
| 18:16.50 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
| 18:17.05 | czrtek | but the only two things that I can do is Pre-Invoke & Post-Invoke, and neither suit my needs |
| 18:17.37 | czrtek | repsonsible? :-) |
| 18:18.00 | enouf | czrtek: checked the various dpkg commands .. like dpkg-query .. etc? |
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| 18:18.58 | enouf | czrtek: are you trying to run a script right as dpkg is removing pkgs or someshit? |
| 18:18.58 | czrtek | enouf, sure, but can't really figure out where to integrate my stuff |
| 18:18.58 | czrtek | just before it unlinks the files |
| 18:19.01 | enouf | czrtek: how about the .postrm files? |
| 18:19.11 | czrtek | that would be the correct place. I need to fill the files that are going to be removed with zero |
| 18:19.26 | yos87 | enouf: this is my cat /proc/partitions http://pastebin.ca/291753 |
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| 18:19.31 | czrtek | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.42 | enouf | czrtek: seen the devscripts pkg? .. how about the maintainers guide? |
| 18:19.51 | hark | yos87: use fdisk if you're not sure |
| 18:19.53 | enouf | !mg |
| 18:19.54 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 18:19.55 | czrtek | enouf, if you have no idea, just say so :-) |
| 18:20.10 | enouf | czrtek: I have no idea :-P |
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| 18:20.14 | czrtek | fair enough :-) |
| 18:20.19 | tarzeau | anyone wants to try new brutalchess 3d game packages? |
| 18:20.30 | hark | yos87: p to list the partition table |
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| 18:21.05 | itchi | tarzeau: If it was realy brutal :-) |
| 18:21.13 | yos87 | hark: fdisk invail option |
| 18:21.17 | czrtek | the only thing I really want to is to overwrite package files with binary zero just before they're unlinked. thought this would be easy, but I guess not :-) |
| 18:21.22 | tarzeau | itchi: ha. ha ha :) |
| 18:21.43 | yos87 | hark: did you ment fdisk -p ? |
| 18:21.44 | hark | yos87: as root? |
| 18:21.51 | yos87 | yes |
| 18:21.53 | yos87 | root |
| 18:21.58 | czrtek | itchi, what if it will fill a random disk sector with random data each time you lose? :-) |
| 18:21.59 | hark | yos87: no. just fdisk |
| 18:22.00 | enouf | czrtek: perhaps try #debian-mentor and #debian-devel and respective mailing lists |
| 18:22.05 | czrtek | that would be pretty brutal :-) |
| 18:22.06 | yos87 | hark: I did |
| 18:22.24 | hark | yos87: and...? |
| 18:22.26 | czrtek | enouf, ah, that's why I asked first whether this was the correct channel :-) thanks for the tips |
| 18:22.31 | yos87 | hark: there is hda , sdc , eda |
| 18:22.38 | itchi | czrtek: :-p I hoped he cut the head or somethings similar brutal when you take the coin :-p |
| 18:22.50 | hark | yos87: fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 18:23.06 | czrtek | itchi, there is so many different brutal things to choose from :-) |
| 18:23.08 | hark | yos87: then p |
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| 18:23.43 | enouf | [13:10:55] <enouf> yos87: patebin your cat /etc/fstab |
| 18:24.07 | yos87 | hark: i did , there is four line hda1 , and 2,5,6 |
| 18:24.08 | enouf | it's fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 18:24.27 | yos87 | enouf: the same |
| 18:24.38 | hark | yos87: which one is FAT32? |
| 18:24.43 | enouf | so where;s the pastebins? |
| 18:24.44 | yos87 | hark : can you log in to my pc? |
| 18:24.48 | yos87 | hark: the second one |
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| 18:25.08 | casanova-- | hmmh |
| 18:25.13 | casanova-- | i have an interesting Q |
| 18:25.29 | tarzeau | itchi: wait wait, i'm packaging version 0.5 |
| 18:25.32 | casanova-- | I know that i could get CATIA cad software work on linux |
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| 18:25.46 | casanova-- | but i can't obtain a cracked copy |
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| 18:25.58 | hark | yos87: I rather not. |
| 18:26.00 | czrtek | why would you want a cracked copy? |
| 18:26.01 | casanova-- | there are no trial versions for download even |
| 18:26.07 | czrtek | it's it like "broken" :-) |
| 18:26.07 | tarzeau | casanova--: hehe, we have that :) |
| 18:26.08 | yos87 | hark: why? |
| 18:26.15 | enouf | czrtek: forgot to mention .. those channels are on oftc.net |
| 18:26.15 | casanova-- | because if i buy the license i have to buy the CD |
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| 18:26.27 | yos87 | hark: http://pastebin.ca/291758 |
| 18:26.31 | enouf | czrtek: or irc.debian.org (same thing) |
| 18:26.32 | czrtek | enouf, ah, freenode has a lot of people on them too, thanks |
| 18:26.36 | casanova-- | and that is expensive just for testing |
| 18:26.39 | xmb | curl xmb.ath.cx/code/snow.sh.get | bash # marry christmas |
| 18:27.10 | casanova-- | CATIA works on HP-UX at our school but they already said "no" for my little debian "project" |
| 18:27.11 | enouf | yos87: moiunt /dev/hda6 .. you can't mount an ext'd partition |
| 18:27.12 | hark | yos87: it's hda6 |
| 18:27.17 | tarzeau | xmb: i don't think anyone should blindly run that |
| 18:27.19 | hark | yos87: and not hda2 |
| 18:27.38 | casanova-- | stupid professors who follow licensing regulations to the letter... |
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| 18:27.48 | xmb | tarzeau: wtgay, you know the content |
| 18:27.49 | hark | yos87: mount /dev/hda6 /mnt/mntpoint |
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| 18:28.16 | itchi | tarzeau: I have testing :-p |
| 18:28.24 | abrotman | casanova--: this is not the channel for that |
| 18:28.27 | yos87 | hark: it's worked |
| 18:28.32 | casanova-- | hmh |
| 18:28.32 | yos87 | hark : how did you know |
| 18:28.35 | czrtek | casanova--, maybe they just don't want to break the law or something stupid like that |
| 18:28.36 | tarzeau | xmb: i wouldn't even do that from my own host |
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| 18:28.40 | itchi | tarzeau: Yeah, nice stuff, also if it's not brutal too ;-) |
| 18:28.50 | xmb | thats why you aint got good teeth |
| 18:28.58 | xmb | just fucked up ones from washing |
| 18:29.09 | hark | yos87: It's unlikely mount would be wrong. Just assumed ;) |
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| 18:30.01 | yos87 | hark: but on computer:/// there is new item appear, it's mnt , when open it is show error message, but when go to /mnt/fat it work fine |
| 18:30.08 | itchi | tarzeau: Where find you all these stuff to package? |
| 18:30.16 | casanova-- | czrtek sure, licensing regulations are always extra prohibitive and serve the best interest of the multinational defense company that has produced the piece of software... but really... who's gonna sue them? They can always say that they used one of the licenses for the debian project if it turns out to be a success |
| 18:30.36 | tarzeau | itchi: www.happypenguin.org and keep track of great software? |
| 18:30.36 | casanova-- | (and keep teh testing workstation under the table) |
| 18:30.45 | yos87 | hark: thank you for help |
| 18:30.51 | yos87 | itchi: thank you |
| 18:30.54 | casanova-- | mmh |
| 18:30.59 | hark | yos87: edit your /etc/fstab |
| 18:31.10 | yos87 | hark: yea |
| 18:31.42 | itchi | tarzeau: Gone spy it ;-) |
| 18:31.46 | hark | yos87: I have to go now. I'll be back in about half an hour :) |
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| 18:31.57 | yos87 | hark: thank you |
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| 18:32.11 | yos87 | but the hda6 is fstab is the swap partition |
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| 18:32.20 | enouf | hehe |
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| 18:32.54 | itchi | tarzeau: But i'm not yet an official DD, so i can not add some ones too |
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| 18:34.01 | liri | is it considered harmless to dd another hard drive and partition it while working on a running (production) system? |
| 18:34.10 | tarzeau | itchi: i'm not an official DD either :) |
| 18:34.24 | tarzeau | itchi: yes of course you can add software into debian, no matter who and where you are |
| 18:34.45 | itchi | tarzeau: hhhmm |
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| 18:37.40 | deadcat | if i want to ask questions about installing debian on a cobalt qube3, where would i go? mailinglist or so.. |
| 18:38.17 | abrotman | ARM ? |
| 18:38.29 | deadcat | abrotman: amd cpu.. |
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| 18:38.40 | abrotman | so .. install x86 on it ? |
| 18:38.51 | resistance | hi guys, i upgraded to etch and it comlained about my kernel, saying i was attempted to delete 2.6.8, the version i already have, someone told me it was fine, noe i've rebooting and have a grub command line |
| 18:38.54 | deadcat | abrotman: not that easy.. something to do with the loader or something |
| 18:38.57 | resistance | what can i do? |
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| 18:39.02 | abrotman | deadcat: google has nothing ? |
| 18:39.39 | deadcat | abrotman: nope.. theres a redhat install,, redhat as in redhat before fedora.. |
| 18:39.51 | abrotman | sounds quite old :) |
| 18:39.56 | deadcat | (= |
| 18:40.03 | abrotman | google has nothing ? |
| 18:40.13 | deadcat | nope |
| 18:40.13 | itchi | resistance: I think you need to chroot it an install the wanted kernel |
| 18:40.17 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=install+debian+qube3&btnG=Google+Search |
| 18:40.18 | teledyn_ | deadcat: what type of architecture is it? |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | look at that |
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| 18:40.48 | deadcat | teledyn_: its AMD cpu. thats all i know so far. |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | first link looks promising |
| 18:41.04 | deadcat | teledyn_: the qube2 is MIPS, which debian has support for |
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| 18:41.10 | teledyn_ | abrotman: hit #1 !!! |
| 18:41.11 | tarzeau | DAMN THIS BUG cost me 5 rebuilds |
| 18:41.14 | yos87 | itchi: are you here? I mount it , But I cannot past any file, I can read only |
| 18:41.20 | itchi | yos87: Maybe |
| 18:41.20 | abrotman | teledyn_: google sucks! |
| 18:41.28 | teledyn_ | hehe |
| 18:41.36 | deadcat | abrotman: thanks let me take a look at link 1 |
| 18:41.44 | itchi | yos87: Set permissions right :-p |
| 18:41.47 | abrotman | or link 2 .. or 3 ... or 1 - 100 :) |
| 18:42.06 | resistance | itchi, how do i do that |
| 18:42.08 | teledyn_ | yeah like the first 10 hits are all relevant |
| 18:42.27 | itchi | resistance: Boot an live cd, chroot your filesystem, get/install the kernel |
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| 18:42.41 | Big_Dagwood | hello everyone |
| 18:42.43 | yos87 | resistance: yes , I don't know how |
| 18:42.50 | itchi | resistance: But like i told, i 'think' :-) |
| 18:42.57 | Big_Dagwood | happy holidays |
| 18:43.18 | itchi | resistance: Not yet have that trouble |
| 18:43.29 | deadcat | abrotman: the problem is that most these seems like woody install |
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| 18:43.37 | abrotman | deadcat: so install woody .. upgrade |
| 18:43.45 | abrotman | deadcat: or adapt to sarge |
| 18:43.45 | Malagmyr | argh |
| 18:43.50 | Malagmyr | so... much... waiting! |
| 18:44.06 | Big_Dagwood | dont mean to intrude but anyone familiar with mythtv |
| 18:44.30 | amphi | Big_Dagwood: just ask your real question |
| 18:44.31 | yos87 | itchi: how to know my uid? |
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| 18:45.01 | itchi | yos87: cat /etc/passwd |
| 18:45.07 | deadcat | abrotman: (= |
| 18:45.08 | Malagmyr | Can anyone here tell me what the Windows installation spends 1 hour doing?! I seriously can't figure out what's taking so bloody long! For instance, it's "Saving settings" for about 10 minutes during the installation. The only settings I've made is the fucking timezone! I wish all the machines around me ran linux *sigh* |
| 18:45.15 | teledyn_ | itchi: id |
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| 18:45.22 | abrotman | itchi: id |
| 18:45.28 | Big_Dagwood | im trying to record from my comosite input and well having probs |
| 18:45.35 | itchi | hhhm, id :-) |
| 18:45.38 | SerajewelKS | Malagmyr: probably it's establishing the initial registry settings |
| 18:45.47 | Big_Dagwood | i hit r when watching but it just posts record "" |
| 18:46.16 | deadcat | abrotman: i think this is it: http://www.timntina.com/debian-sarge-cobalt-install cant wait to get my hands on the thing.. the linksys nslu2 SLUG is SAF |
| 18:46.32 | Malagmyr | SerajewelKS: shouldn't those be basically the same on every fresh install, except for a few differences in drivers? |
| 18:46.44 | SerajewelKS | Malagmyr: yes |
| 18:47.19 | abrotman | deadcat: i think that assumes a running OS already |
| 18:47.43 | yos87 | itchi: i set my fstab to /dev/hda6 /mnt/fat vfat uid=1000 0 0 . it dosn't work |
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| 18:48.19 | itchi | yos87: I not realy know, not have any fat :-) |
| 18:48.28 | yos87 | ok |
| 18:48.31 | yos87 | thank you |
| 18:49.06 | teledyn_ | yos87: man mount |
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| 18:49.26 | itchi | yos87: Should you not set gid=1000 also?? |
| 18:49.50 | yos87 | itchi: there is no gid |
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| 18:50.33 | deadcat | abrotman: running OS on the qube3? the cobalt comes with their version of linux and some http interface software already.. |
| 18:50.39 | teledyn_ | yeah better to add a group for the fat partition, add the user to it, and mount it with gid= and umask= options |
| 18:50.41 | tarzeau | does someone have got md3 quake 3d data files? |
| 18:50.45 | abrotman | deadcat: IIRC it comes with a version of debian |
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| 18:50.58 | Big_Dagwood | ? |
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| 18:52.23 | resistance | can i do anything from a GRUB> terminal? |
| 18:52.42 | resistance | like reinstall the kernel image |
| 18:52.49 | teledyn_ | i had a nasraq once and it ran an old version of redhat. i just built the extra redhat packages i needed from srpms. i recommend that over ripping out the existing OS. |
| 18:52.51 | yos87 | teledyn_: they say uid-value and gid=value , these option are recognized but have no effect as fas as i can see) But they don't explain how to know your uid and how to set it |
| 18:53.14 | teledyn_ | yos87: type "id" in a terminal |
| 18:53.52 | teledyn_ | yos87: as i said, add a new group - call it "win" or whatever, then add the user to it, then mount it with the corresponding gid of that group. and use a umask that gives the group whatever perms you want it to have. |
| 18:53.53 | tralala | resistance, you can boot an already installed kernel |
| 18:53.56 | itchi | resistance: Take an live cd ;-) |
| 18:54.29 | itchi | tralala: Looks like it's gone, no more kernels, if i have been understand |
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| 18:54.51 | mentor | resistance: A GrUB terminal is just an interface to grub |
| 18:55.03 | mentor | resistance: So you can do anyhting grub can do |
| 18:55.08 | michael11 | I want to use LVM to group 4 hard drives together but I already have data on one of the drives. Would I need to wipe this drive before creating a VG? |
| 18:55.17 | mentor | yes |
| 18:55.25 | mentor | just add it later |
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| 18:55.50 | michael11 | mentor: Is that to me? |
| 18:55.59 | mentor | yes |
| 18:56.04 | michael11 | ahh... crap |
| 18:56.11 | michael11 | I was hoping it wasn't :( |
| 18:56.17 | jabka | what prog could i use for elctric design ? (i don't like dia) |
| 18:56.35 | mentor | jabka: apt-cache search |
| 18:56.42 | rumpl | jabka, tkgate, ktechlab |
| 18:56.46 | mentor | michael11: Are the other drives too small for your data? |
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| 18:57.35 | mentor | michael11: Oh. no. You can create the VG, just don't put add the drive with the data on to it. |
| 18:58.10 | michael11 | mentor: Not really, but I have 170GB on the 200 GB drive and the other drives I have are 2x300GB and 200GB and I didn't want to have to move 170 GB because it takes a long time |
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| 18:58.49 | jabka | rumpl : thnx |
| 19:00.02 | jabka | could anyone plz check if ntfs-3g on laptop makes his hdd to be accses alot (it works with lots of noice) |
| 19:00.06 | jabka | *noise |
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| 19:02.41 | michael11 | mentor: Although, it would be possible to move the 170GB to a different drive, create a VG on just the 200GB, format it with XFS, copy back the data, then clear the other drives, add them to the VG, and then grow the XFS partition to extend onto the other drives? |
| 19:03.00 | mentor | michael11: Yes, AFAIK. |
| 19:03.16 | mentor | A VG isn't a PV |
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| 19:05.00 | hark | jabka: I haven't noticed any such issues |
| 19:05.24 | jabka | hark:only on laptop |
| 19:05.43 | jabka | ACER 5102WLMI and some LG |
| 19:05.55 | michael11 | mentor: I've heard LVM is flexible and wanted to be sure I could simply add on drives before I fsck anything up |
| 19:05.57 | hark | jabka: yes. a laptop here as well. |
| 19:06.30 | Malagmyr | what is the default timeout for screen blanking in the console in debian? |
| 19:06.33 | Malagmyr | 30 minutes? 1 hour? |
| 19:06.41 | mentor | michael11: A drive is just another Physical Volume to LVM. |
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| 19:06.59 | mentor | Malagmyr: Whatever the kernel default is. |
| 19:06.59 | tarzeau | itchi, enouf: if you want to try: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/brutalchess/ |
| 19:07.09 | mentor | Malagmyr: I don't believe we call setterm on startup |
| 19:07.31 | itchi | tarzeau: Gona ;-) |
| 19:07.51 | tarzeau | itchi: it feels a lot slower, maybe your gfxcard is much better than mine |
| 19:07.56 | jabka | hark:starnge .. things |
| 19:08.24 | Malagmyr | mentor: how can I check what it's at currently? besides timing it... |
| 19:08.45 | hark | jabka: can't say, maybe free space or fragmentation issues? |
| 19:09.12 | jabka | hark: empty parttion |
| 19:09.22 | mentor | Malagmyr: I have no idea. Check for /sys or /proc attributes? sysctl? |
| 19:09.38 | hark | jabka: #ntfs maybe? |
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| 19:10.17 | itchi | tarzeau: Nope, i have poor 3D with my (defualt config of) Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) But this version seems to have the same performances. Yeah, little more nice features ;-) |
| 19:10.30 | jabka | hark:oops .. didn't thout about that |
| 19:10.46 | tarzeau | itchi: yep :) |
| 19:10.53 | tarzeau | itchi: try the right mouse button |
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| 19:11.04 | tarzeau | itchi: so it's not fluid moving for you? |
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| 19:12.45 | itchi | tarzeau: No, but the older version also, but it's my poor stuff i think, like other games, it's the same. I need to find what's happend with my gfx card, but still to lazy :-) |
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| 19:13.42 | itchi | tarzeau: But it's very well playable |
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| 19:19.22 | mc__ | !info digikam sid |
| 19:19.24 | dpkg | digikam: (digital photo management application for KDE), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:0.9.0~rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 6484 kB, Installed size: 15200 kB |
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| 19:20.49 | abrotman | mc__: aptitude update && aptitude install digikam |
| 19:21.00 | mc__ | i had had v0.9,i upgraded and now i have 0.85 |
| 19:21.13 | robin_sz | apt-get install christmas-dinner |
| 19:21.37 | robin_sz | & purge |
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| 19:25.32 | mc__ | abrotman: that did not do it |
| 19:25.55 | abrotman | mc__: apt-cache policy digikam |
| 19:26.16 | Muffin | Hey there. I've compiled my own version of a package, and would like to tell the apt system that it's covered, so dependencies aren't problematic. |
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| 19:27.16 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 19:27.16 | dpkg | methinks equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 19:27.16 | mc__ | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/weuR6G31.html |
| 19:27.47 | abrotman | your mirror is out of date then |
| 19:28.00 | Muffin | (and for those of you here for my debian-archive-keyring problem yesterday, I ended up basically solving it by removing the --no-options flag from the gpg call in apt-key.) |
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| 19:28.28 | mc__ | abrotman: but i already hat 0.9 |
| 19:28.43 | abrotman | so why are you complaining ? |
| 19:28.46 | mc__ | abrotman: i did an aptitude upgrade today,and it got dowgraded |
| 19:28.52 | enouf | Muffin: the no-accept-something-options? |
| 19:29.00 | abrotman | mc__: that's possible |
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| 19:29.21 | abrotman | !info digikam experimental |
| 19:29.21 | mc__ | abrotman: but did i do something wrong? or is something wrong with my mirror? |
| 19:29.32 | abrotman | mc__: aptitude had a good reason apparently |
| 19:29.42 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=digikam |
| 19:31.04 | tarzeau | do you also have kangoroos on your google? |
| 19:31.08 | mc__ | abrotman: 0.9 is onlay avaible for arm m68k s390 and sparc in unstable? |
| 19:31.14 | abrotman | apparently |
| 19:31.15 | mc__ | tarzeau: yes |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde if you want to know more |
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| 19:31.34 | mc__ | abrotman: thank you |
| 19:33.15 | Muffin | enouf: apt-key is a script that calls gpg...using the --no-options flag, which makes it ignore option files. I set the --options flag to go to /root/.gnupg/gpg.conf, so it'd read the "allow unsigned sigs" business. |
| 19:33.31 | Muffin | apt-get update now fails to authenticate source lists, though, whicgh is unfortunate, but I'll deal with that another day. |
| 19:34.21 | Muffin | Now my problem is convincing the system that libssl0.9.8 and openssl are installed, because they are, but it's my own version because Sparc 20s appear to have assembler weirdness that makes them fail...so I have to compile it myself. |
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| 19:35.06 | enouf | Muffin: I see .. |
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| 19:35.29 | sussi | how can i recover my apt-get , because during install of python2.5 the python subsystem broke off completly |
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| 19:36.00 | mc__ | sussi: what exactly do you mean by recover? |
| 19:36.01 | enouf | Muffin: ok .. next issue .. if nobody here can help .. try #debian on oftc.net .. also check wirh the -devel channel |
| 19:36.07 | abrotman | sussi: broke off ? |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | Muffin: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 19:36.49 | Muffin | Oh, sweet, abrotman. |
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| 19:37.06 | abrotman | sussi: paste whatever error it is |
| 19:37.07 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:37.07 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 19:38.17 | sussi | Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix> |
| 19:38.17 | sussi | Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> |
| 19:38.17 | sussi | Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] |
| 19:38.17 | sussi | 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback |
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| 19:38.50 | Ronin | or you could do that |
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| 19:39.42 | Reedy_Boy | Hi, wonder if someone could give me some help with setting up the partitioning on an NSLU2? |
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| 19:42.36 | Muffin | sussi: apt-get -f install doesn't fix it? |
| 19:43.08 | sussi | unfortunally not |
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| 19:44.02 | sussi | i tried dpkg -I directly to install pyton |
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| 19:45.07 | tralala | dpkg -I |
| 19:45.19 | sussi | yep |
| 19:45.31 | tralala | dpkg -I does _not_ install packages |
| 19:45.51 | tralala | dpkg, shut up |
| 19:45.51 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 19:45.59 | sussi | in the directory /var/cache/apt/archives it does |
| 19:46.19 | czrtek | dpkg, I know a secret about you. just read through some of your code |
| 19:46.31 | czrtek | it's riddled with function calls to ohshite() |
| 19:46.39 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 19:46.47 | CharminTheMoose | czrtek:where'd you get it? |
| 19:47.00 | czrtek | not the bot. the program |
| 19:47.13 | CharminTheMoose | aww |
| 19:47.14 | CharminTheMoose | damn |
| 19:47.20 | czrtek | apt-get source dpkg :-) |
| 19:47.22 | Malagmyr | Is samba any more unsafe than FTP? I figure if this guy I'm sitting here with is gonna run a public ftp server for the windoze users, me could just as well allow them to map the network drives with samba. |
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| 19:47.29 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 19:47.34 | CharminTheMoose | ohshite()! |
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| 19:47.47 | czrtek | with gettext localization too |
| 19:47.56 | czrtek | so it's ohshite(_("foo")) |
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| 19:47.58 | abrotman | sussi: BTS ? |
| 19:47.59 | brujo_^^_ | nas q hay |
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| 19:48.18 | zumbi | brujo_^^_: !es |
| 19:48.26 | zumbi | !es |
| 19:48.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:48.27 | sussi | i checked but no ideas how to solve that |
| 19:48.34 | brujo_^^_ | alguien me ayuda por aqui con un problema q tengo, que estoy montando un servidor de irc y no consigo q entren los bots de servicio chan nick memo y todos estos? |
| 19:48.37 | CharminTheMoose | !ohshite() is riddled throughout dpkg's(the program,not the bot) code.Check it! |
| 19:48.37 | dpkg | CharminTheMoose: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:48.45 | CharminTheMoose | damn |
| 19:49.22 | brujo_^^_ | alguien me ayuda por aqui con un problema q tengo, que estoy montando un servidor de irc y no consigo q entren los bots de servicio chan nick memo y todos estos? |
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| 19:49.30 | brujo_^^_ | alguien podria ayudarme por favor? |
| 19:49.32 | CharminTheMoose | !es |
| 19:49.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:49.44 | zumbi | dpkg tell brujo_^^_ about es |
| 19:49.58 | czrtek | although it sounds like he wants to get some tango help with some irc-bots |
| 19:50.23 | brujo_^^_ | zumbi: do you speak spanish? |
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| 19:50.47 | zumbi | brujo_^^_: on #debian-es speak spanish |
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| 19:51.01 | Muffin | sussi: Did you try setting $PYTHONHOME? |
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| 19:51.04 | brujo_^^_ | ok thank you |
| 19:52.03 | sussi | $PYTHONHOME cant work because python is not configured |
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| 19:53.38 | This | Hello all |
| 19:54.09 | This | What, if any, would be recomended for a light weight picture viewer for X? |
| 19:54.13 | sussi | just found that /usr/lib/python2.4 is not there anymore |
| 19:54.18 | CharminTheMoose | gqview? |
| 19:54.25 | sussi | only python 2.5 |
| 19:54.27 | cahoot | This: feh |
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| 19:54.39 | This | feh? ill go looking, ty |
| 19:55.09 | kingsley | This: qiv |
| 19:55.18 | Muffin | So, you need 2.4 and 2.5 both? |
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| 19:56.02 | kingsley | "ls -l $(which feh qiv gqview)" reports that qiv is smallest. |
| 19:56.30 | Malagmyr | This: gqview is definately the best I've tried. it even runs fast on my old 75mhz pentium :) |
| 19:56.40 | This | well im not worried about hs space, ive got 1TB of storage |
| 19:56.55 | Malagmyr | nice e-peen |
| 19:57.06 | This | I will give all of those a try (im on dialup so its slooow to install) |
| 19:57.17 | jabka | good night and thnx .. |
| 19:57.43 | This | I need something simple/fast/easy to organize my digi cam pics, the wife isnt to good on fluxbox |
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| 19:57.45 | sussi | i think so, because the postinstall want it so |
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| 19:58.13 | sussi | maby a link would help? |
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| 19:58.36 | Malagmyr | Is samba any more unsafe than FTP? I figure if this guy I'm sitting here with is gonna run a public ftp server for the windoze users, we could just as well allow them to map the network drives with samba. |
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| 19:59.35 | Malagmyr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.05 | tralala | it's just as bad only more convinient |
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| 20:00.31 | daeos | i am trying to build from source a program and when using ./configure i get an error saying that sdl-config is not install, i tried to use apt-get install, but apt did not find it. what would i be missing in config or packages that would give me this error? |
| 20:00.31 | Malagmyr | tralala: exactly |
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| 20:01.00 | This | feh is nice ty, qiv/gqview installing |
| 20:01.32 | daeos | am i correct in saying that i would need to make sure that SDL_CONFIG is correctly set, and if so, how do i check that? |
| 20:01.38 | iLLf8d | gqviews a good app |
| 20:02.02 | capiira | hmm how can i stop etch from showing me ntfs partitions in "computer"? its not working anyway! |
| 20:02.21 | CharminTheMoose | why do you want it to? |
| 20:02.25 | This | will it be easy for a non linux user? Im forcing my house 100% off windows and the wife is resisting very much |
| 20:02.39 | capiira | becuase its not mounting right and i want to use ntfs-3g |
| 20:02.48 | iLLf8d | capiira, just comment out the partitions you don't want to show in /etc/fstab (just watch what you comment out you might break something) |
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| 20:03.18 | capiira | yeah i know that but they are not in listed in fstab |
| 20:04.07 | iLLf8d | capiira, ah you must be in gnome or kde or something thats trying to automount them then |
| 20:04.07 | Tchaka | hello all :) |
| 20:04.07 | capiira | gnome yep |
| 20:04.07 | iLLf8d | theres a gnomish way to do it I don't recall waht it is offhand tho |
| 20:04.25 | capiira | you know a hint to search for? |
| 20:04.46 | smiler | http://www.smiler.se/fontsize.png <-- anyone know how to fix the large fonts so they look more.. hmm.. normal? |
| 20:05.19 | capiira | lol |
| 20:05.45 | capiira | decrease font size? |
| 20:05.53 | capiira | view menu of firefox |
| 20:06.04 | capiira | but i noticed that too |
| 20:06.30 | capiira | few sites shows the font size normal and some ultra big |
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| 20:07.14 | capiira | maybe because the sites was coded and tested only on ie |
| 20:07.21 | daeos | how would i find out what package sdl-config is apart of? |
| 20:07.23 | capiira | and they dont noticed |
| 20:07.28 | iLLf8d | smiler, put the monitor on the other side of the room |
| 20:07.48 | smiler | iLLf8d: good plan :> |
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| 20:08.18 | iLLf8d | smiler, its probably relative to the base font you're scaling |
| 20:08.20 | smiler | capiira: its the gtk-part of firefox thats messed up, (menu, popups, inputboxes etc.) |
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| 20:08.42 | iLLf8d | smiler, there are extensions that might be able to handle it but perhaps just scaling your main font back down a bit might help |
| 20:08.49 | capiira | ahh true lol |
| 20:08.54 | smiler | its a fresh install |
| 20:08.58 | sussi | capiira: some sites resepct ur setting some not, reduce the max fonts in preferences |
| 20:10.18 | abrotman | !ur |
| 20:10.18 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 20:10.19 | smiler | im trying now to setup some .gtkrc-2.0 to fix it but it doesnt seem to have any effect |
| 20:10.43 | capiira | what debian version? |
| 20:11.03 | abrotman | daeos: libsdl1.2-dev |
| 20:11.05 | abrotman | or soemthing like that |
| 20:12.03 | daeos | abrotman: hmm i was STWF.... and found one thread on a forum that spoke about libsdlX.X-dev |
| 20:12.06 | daeos | is that the same? |
| 20:12.28 | abrotman | yes .. apt-cache search -- libsdl -dev |
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| 20:13.03 | name | what is the best program to record TV? |
| 20:13.51 | This | mythTV is good |
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| 20:17.49 | Reedy_Boy | Hi, |
| 20:18.09 | Reedy_Boy | would a 82.2mb swap partition be enough for a NSLU2 - as that is what it has automatically set |
| 20:18.15 | Reedy_Boy | on a 8GB drive |
| 20:18.19 | findme | cumbersome to setup mythtv, plain old mplayer |
| 20:18.50 | This | top |
| 20:18.56 | daeos | abrotman: who'd a thought building dosbox on debian would be so slow hehe |
| 20:19.07 | abrotman | isn't there a package for it ? |
| 20:19.14 | This | hrm, qiv gave a lack of resources error |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | Reedy_Boy: 32MB RAM ? |
| 20:19.42 | kalila | if a file exists, and i install some deb that has a file there |
| 20:19.44 | kalila | what happens |
| 20:19.59 | Reedy_Boy | abrotman: im pretty sure its 32mb ram |
| 20:20.11 | abrotman | Reedy_Boy: should be fine then |
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| 20:20.20 | Reedy_Boy | thanks :) |
| 20:20.27 | abrotman | depends on the type of file |
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| 20:21.16 | Reedy_Boy | i'll just go with that, i know if i encounter any problems, that in future, more may be needed |
| 20:21.28 | kalila | abrotman: non executable |
| 20:21.33 | daeos | abrotman: i didn't find one on the dosbox site, so i just am building from source |
| 20:21.46 | daeos | abrotman: maybe im wasting my time... |
| 20:21.50 | abrotman | !info dosbox etch |
| 20:21.54 | dpkg | dosbox: (A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.65-1 (etch), Packaged size: 508 kB, Installed size: 1384 kB |
| 20:22.10 | daeos | !info dosbox sarge |
| 20:22.15 | dpkg | dosbox: (A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA graphics, sound and DOS), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.63-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 1028 kB |
| 20:22.20 | abrotman | look at that ... |
| 20:22.23 | raf256 | in firefox, how to check if "Are you using the non-free flash player, or swf or gnash?" |
| 20:22.51 | daeos | very nice |
| 20:22.51 | daeos | ok, |
| 20:22.51 | abrotman | ask #web |
| 20:22.51 | daeos | time to cancel it |
| 20:22.55 | daeos | .... hmm how to cancel make |
| 20:23.01 | abrotman | ctrl-c |
| 20:23.02 | daeos | control c? |
| 20:23.03 | daeos | lol |
| 20:23.03 | daeos | ok |
| 20:23.05 | daeos | figured |
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| 20:23.08 | raf256 | daeos: ctrl-C, like each program |
| 20:23.12 | raf256 | thanks debhelper |
| 20:23.27 | sid | hehe |
| 20:24.23 | abrotman | not all programs respond to ctrl-c |
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| 20:25.54 | sid | !tell daeos about flood |
| 20:25.58 | daeos | i didn't flood |
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| 20:26.22 | sid | yes you did daeos. You did 5 lines in less then several seconds. |
| 20:26.26 | raf256 | daeos: press less enter |
| 20:26.34 | abrotman | or less lag :) |
| 20:26.48 | zinx | !ops ^[freegirL]^!n=Sexy_Bod@88.241.19.236 <- free porno spammer |
| 20:26.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: ^[freegirL]^!n=Sexy_Bod@88.241.19.236 <- free porno spammer |
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| 20:26.54 | daeos | no lag, and yeah, i talk in broken sentances |
| 20:27.58 | sid | !enter |
| 20:27.58 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 20:28.36 | abrotman | zinx: you're the only one that gets it :) |
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| 20:32.05 | CharminTheMoose | can anyone tell me what's causing this problem with amsn? http://pastebin.ca/291839 |
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| 20:33.27 | dobbbob | installed etch rc1 and getting a slow boot. irqpoll sped it up a little bit, but still too slow |
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| 20:33.44 | dobbbob | what does irqpoll do |
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| 20:34.29 | sid | dobbbob: It's probably gathering statistics for how many of each particular devices exist. So developers know what devices need more support etc. |
| 20:34.52 | dobbbob | i think i turned that off |
| 20:35.21 | sid | but I'm just guessing |
| 20:35.34 | dobbbob | strangly my system isnt speedstepping either |
| 20:35.58 | dobbbob | it thinks its unsupported |
| 20:36.01 | dobbbob | yet mandrive worked |
| 20:36.04 | dobbbob | im sure debian cn |
| 20:36.05 | dobbbob | an |
| 20:36.54 | capiira | btw i fixed the ntfs partition gnome problem by adding it to pmount.allow |
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| 20:39.14 | iLLf8d | ah nice |
| 20:39.21 | CharminTheMoose | can anyone tell me what's causing this problem with amsn? http://pastebin.ca/291839 |
| 20:39.21 | iLLf8d | capiira, where do you set that? |
| 20:39.41 | iLLf8d | capiira, taht a config or a stanza of a config? |
| 20:40.03 | capiira | in that pmount.allow file |
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| 20:40.14 | capiira | you find it in /etc |
| 20:40.46 | iLLf8d | gotcha |
| 20:40.54 | capiira | i just added /dev/your_ntfs_hdd |
| 20:40.55 | iLLf8d | I could've used that info a while back |
| 20:41.19 | iLLf8d | I was reading up on it and the gnome stuff is supposed to honor fstab but it doesn't appear to do that as it says in the docs |
| 20:41.31 | capiira | yep |
| 20:41.53 | capiira | i got a strange pmount msg and then i search for pmount configs and found that one |
| 20:42.02 | iLLf8d | ah gotcha |
| 20:42.16 | iLLf8d | no manpage for it too |
| 20:42.18 | iLLf8d | go figure =P |
| 20:42.30 | capiira | hehe never used manpages |
| 20:43.44 | iLLf8d | ah well looks like you're on the right path |
| 20:43.48 | capiira | hehe |
| 20:43.56 | capiira | t least im trying |
| 20:43.57 | iLLf8d | search and destroy works out quite well in linux |
| 20:44.03 | iLLf8d | read your messages and research |
| 20:44.10 | findme | capiira, pmount or mount? |
| 20:44.19 | capiira | pmount.allow |
| 20:44.49 | capiira | ./etc/pmount.allow |
| 20:45.02 | findme | !google |
| 20:45.02 | dpkg | well, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 20:45.16 | capiira | pmount will allow users to additionally mount all devices that are listed here |
| 20:46.19 | capiira | let me see if its possible to uninstall pmount |
| 20:46.22 | daeos | im also having an issue with changing screen size formats via vnc, i get an error of "The X Server does not support the XRandR extension. Runtime resolution changes to the display size are not available. Am I suppose to setup configuration in some file on what screen size to use for vnc, when running vncserver? |
| 20:46.26 | capiira | i would prefer ntfs-3g |
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| 20:46.45 | HnH | www.oldp.net/?l=Prorok (Please click on link) |
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| 20:47.32 | capiira | aha there is a pmount package |
| 20:48.40 | capiira | btw. its possble to convert ntfs to ext3? |
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| 20:56.10 | henke | does anybody know what happened to libapache2-mod-fcgid in Etch? |
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| 20:56.28 | selam | hi all |
| 20:56.34 | sid | !greet selam |
| 20:56.34 | dpkg | Howdy, selam |
| 20:56.55 | sid | !info libapache2-mod-fcgid etch |
| 20:56.59 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fcgid: (an alternative module compat with mod_fastcgi), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 20:57.42 | sid | still there henke. |
| 20:57.47 | henke | sid: it's not there now |
| 20:57.54 | henke | no installation candidate |
| 20:58.23 | selam | i want to ask a question about wmv files on debian, i install kaffeine, xine, mplayer, vlc media players (and w32codecs for mplayer vs. ) but i can't watch some wmv files. how can i watch this files |
| 20:58.27 | CharminTheMoose | can anyone tell me what's causing this problem with amsn? http://pastebin.ca/291839 |
| 20:58.40 | henke | sid, packages.debian.org agree with me |
| 20:58.40 | selam | and i use debian unstable |
| 20:58.44 | capiira | hmm its possible to mix unstable packages with testing packages and upgrade the unstable package if a newer testing version the the package appears? |
| 20:59.14 | Ronin | capiira: possible but not recommanded to mix and match |
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| 20:59.33 | capiira | like gnome 2.16 |
| 21:00.04 | Trewas | selam: I think there are some drm-infested variants of wmv which simply do not work outside of windows |
| 21:00.05 | capiira | its in unstable |
| 21:00.44 | Trewas | selam: mplayer or vlc with w32codecs should play anything that can be played |
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| 21:01.21 | sid | capiira: gnome 2.16 is not in unstable. also if you mix and match there is a good chance you'll fuck up your system. |
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| 21:01.41 | capiira | ahh ok true its in experimental |
| 21:01.56 | selam | Trewas: i try with vlc and mplayer (with w32codecs ) but now work for me .. |
| 21:01.58 | henke | sid, it was there, but removed in an upgrade, and now not available. strange, there seems to be no replacement |
| 21:01.59 | sid | !experimental |
| 21:01.59 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 21:02.02 | Muffin | So, now I'm having a difficulty with equivs. I've created the package libssl0.9.8-local, which provides libssl0.9.8d...but I'm still getting dependency errors for packages that require libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8b1) and c1. |
| 21:02.11 | sid | capiira: You should definitely not be getting gnome packages from experimental. |
| 21:02.14 | capiira | but i just wonder why fuckup if there exist so many other distros using it |
| 21:02.55 | sid | capiira: If you want gnome 2.16 that badly, then use those other distros. |
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| 21:05.21 | Muffin | Perhaps there's something wonky about the "Version:" control directive that makes it not understand the letters? |
| 21:05.52 | Ronin | capiira: its got nothing to do with gnome its the mixing of debian versions |
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| 21:06.42 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 21:06.50 | sid | Ronin: It's both. |
| 21:06.53 | rutski | #mysql is completely empty, so I hope you guys don't mind me asking this here instead: Is there anyway to allow, lets say, the UNIX user root to login as the MySQL user "backup" without a password? While at the same time NOT allowing any other UNIX user to login as "backup" without a password? |
| 21:07.13 | sid | You'll fuck up your system if you mix unstable and testing, and you'll also fuck up your sytem(if it's already all unstable) if you grab gnome 2.16 from experimental. |
| 21:08.04 | _foo_ | rutski: as far as I know, it's not possible |
| 21:08.09 | sid | capiira: Just wait another two or three years, and you'll get gnome 2.26 or so. |
| 21:08.20 | capiira | lol |
| 21:08.33 | sid | You can upgrade from etch to lenny. |
| 21:08.56 | capiira | you think 2.16 will never enter the testing? |
| 21:09.14 | rutski | _foo_: thanks :-) |
| 21:09.22 | rutski | Opps, I mean ":-(" |
| 21:09.35 | sid | capiira: It will enter "testing" yes, but not etch. etch will be stable by the time 2.16 goes into testing(lenny) |
| 21:09.55 | sid | capiira: So officially gnome 2.16 will never enter etch main, but there might be an official/unofficial backport for etch/gnome 2.16 |
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| 21:10.13 | capiira | hard words :) |
| 21:10.18 | sid | Probably within the next 4 months, but by the time that happens 2.18 will be out. |
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| 21:10.26 | weggpod | hy all |
| 21:10.30 | sid | !greet weggpod |
| 21:10.30 | dpkg | Tag, weggpod |
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| 21:10.59 | weggpod | how give the flag HOLD on a package ? |
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| 21:11.06 | weggpod | whith apt-get ..... |
| 21:11.29 | sid | weggpod: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:12.07 | weggpod | no upgrade my kernel with apt-get upgrade |
| 21:12.17 | sid | weggpod: You don't want your kernel to be upgraded? |
| 21:12.23 | darsie | hi! I need a multi domain mta/imap on my server. Right now there is debian default exim. Shall I use courier? With postfix? cyrus was too difficult for me. I read there is a courier mta, too. |
| 21:12.33 | weggpod | because i crete my own conf of the kernel |
| 21:12.36 | sid | !tell weggpod about hold |
| 21:12.46 | weggpod | anf for the moment i want keep it |
| 21:13.22 | henke | is there anywhere to read about reasons of a package removal? |
| 21:13.58 | weggpod | sid the flag "old" on a package, permit me to not upgrade this package |
| 21:14.17 | weggpod | sid thx |
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| 21:15.30 | raz0 | henke, the bug tracker, I would think. |
| 21:15.57 | henke | raz0: thanks. I found it. It makes no sense though, removed because of segfaults on startup, but it worked :) |
| 21:16.31 | weggpod | sorry for my bad english |
| 21:16.50 | sid | weggpod: Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net |
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| 21:17.11 | HnH | www.oldp.net/?l=Prorok (Please click on link) |
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| 21:18.13 | CharminTheMoose | HnH:why? |
| 21:18.14 | abrotman | fucking spammers |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | noone cares |
| 21:19.21 | CharminTheMoose | as you do |
| 21:19.37 | mc__ | abrotman: sorry,activated auto away/back messages |
| 21:19.43 | abrotman | mc__: then turn it off |
| 21:19.57 | mc__ | abrotman: already did it |
| 21:20.03 | capiira | sid and does testing versions upgrades usually works well? etch to lenny! |
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| 21:20.44 | sid | capiira: They work excellent usually. |
| 21:21.03 | capiira | ahh fine |
| 21:21.11 | sid | capiira: Upgrading from sarge to etch has been going very smoothly from what I've read on the web. |
| 21:21.37 | capiira | then approx 4 months is ok for 2.16 |
| 21:21.43 | capiira | :) thx |
| 21:21.57 | sid | capiira: Might be less then that, ask #debian-gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 21:22.08 | sid | er |
| 21:22.12 | sid | !#gnome |
| 21:22.12 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gnome.org, or for debian gnome related use #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 21:22.24 | sid | I had it backwards, #gnome-debian not #debian-gnome. |
| 21:22.37 | capiira | cool thx :) |
| 21:22.46 | sid | But if a backport gnome 2.16 is made for etch, they're probably the ones who will do it. So they'll know the eta(roughly) |
| 21:23.22 | capiira | im not planning to stay with stable |
| 21:23.29 | capiira | testing is enough for me |
| 21:23.35 | protocol1 | how do I go about upgrading wine to the latest version? |
| 21:24.14 | Thms | can anyone give me the default sources.list for sarge ? |
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| 21:25.50 | sid | capiira: Well if you're going to upgrade from etch to lenny(when lenny is conceived) then you might be on gnome 2.16 in less then a couple months. |
| 21:26.14 | capiira | cool thats nice |
| 21:26.33 | sid | !tell Thms about sources.list |
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| 21:27.29 | sid | Thms: The default does not include contrib or non-free, since those softwares don't meet the debian free softwawre guidlines, you can remove "contrib non-free" if you don't want those. |
| 21:27.37 | protocol1 | Im thinking about loading debian on my desktop rather than run edgy |
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| 21:28.23 | sid | !tell Thms about security |
| 21:28.23 | capiira | will we receive a auto testing upgrade to lenny sid? |
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| 21:28.42 | sid | capiira: Does your sources.list say "testing" or "etch"? |
| 21:28.48 | capiira | let me see |
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| 21:29.36 | capiira | it says deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 21:29.55 | sid | So you would change "etch" to "lenny" once lenny exists. |
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| 21:30.16 | sid | Then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade everyday, and wait until a magical sourcerer(debian developer) adds gnome 2.16 |
| 21:30.16 | capiira | can i change it to testing too ? |
| 21:30.33 | sid | capiira: It is testing. testing == etch(right now) |
| 21:30.42 | capiira | yeah |
| 21:30.56 | capiira | i mean the source list line |
| 21:31.07 | CharminTheMoose | sid:i thought that etch was unstable? |
| 21:31.09 | protocol1 | whats the difference between choosing testing or etch? |
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| 21:31.16 | sid | umm, yea you can change "etch" to "testing" and it should work the same right now. |
| 21:31.16 | capiira | to deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 21:31.28 | sid | CharminTheMoose: no, sid == unstable; and etch == stable; and sarge == stable; |
| 21:31.48 | protocol1 | when did etch go stable? |
| 21:31.53 | capiira | ahh cool then le me do that and hope it still works in 20 years :) |
| 21:32.10 | sid | protocol1: nothing for now, but when etch becomes stable, I imagine if you have "testing" in your sources.list you'll continue to use "testing" which will be lenny. |
| 21:32.44 | mc__ | sid: etch==testing atm? |
| 21:32.45 | protocol1 | mines etch not testing |
| 21:32.52 | sid | mc__: yes |
| 21:32.59 | abrotman | sid: NO |
| 21:33.20 | abrotman | etch will one day release as stable .. testing is always testing .. etch is currently testing |
| 21:33.43 | protocol1 | ok |
| 21:33.43 | mc__ | abrotman: so why do you say no? |
| 21:33.44 | sid | abrotman: I said that. |
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| 21:33.53 | capiira | hehe |
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| 21:34.38 | protocol1 | so how do you go about upgrading from testing to edgy |
| 21:34.43 | sid | hehe |
| 21:34.45 | sid | You don't. |
| 21:34.48 | protocol1 | oh |
| 21:34.51 | sid | You do a fresh format with edgy. |
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| 21:35.00 | mc__ | protocol1: wrong channel... |
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| 21:35.06 | protocol1 | woops |
| 21:35.08 | sid | You can try to upgrade, but have fun. it will probably get messy |
| 21:35.14 | protocol1 | I meant from testing to etch |
| 21:35.15 | protocol1 | lol |
| 21:35.31 | sid | testing is etch, so you can't upgrade from testing to etch. |
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| 21:35.48 | sid | (since you're already on it) |
| 21:35.53 | capiira | ok i replaced "etch" by "testing" in the source list andhope i can upgrade by system and will never need to reinstall it |
| 21:36.04 | capiira | till i die |
| 21:36.05 | capiira | hehe |
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| 21:37.39 | protocol1 | got ya |
| 21:38.17 | protocol1 | is there a way to test my 3d acceleration from the console |
| 21:38.38 | protocol1 | or to see its enabled |
| 21:38.45 | mc__ | protocol1: glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 21:38.48 | pumpkin0 | WLAN troubles: i tried to get WPA-PSK working on debian etch, kernel 2.6.15, ipw2200. according to thinkwiki i should use the generic -Dwext driver. It fails (WPA: Failed to set PTK to the driver). What is the next step (beside updating the kernel) ? |
| 21:39.30 | capiira | funny |
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| 21:39.50 | mc__ | Guys, I think a Debian Channel specially for sid users would be great,does someone agree? |
| 21:39.56 | capiira | i replaced etch by testing in the source list and got a few new updates |
| 21:40.32 | protocol1 | mc__, command not found |
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| 21:41.31 | sid | capiira: That's probably because one of the ftp master just uploaded packages to debian.org.(I would imagine) |
| 21:41.31 | mc__ | protocol1: simply try some OpenGL app |
| 21:41.36 | mentor | mc__: not really? |
| 21:41.42 | sid | s/ftp master/ftp masters/ |
| 21:41.49 | mc__ | mentor: why not? |
| 21:42.19 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 21:42.27 | mentor | mc__: It's not really a niche. |
| 21:42.38 | Horst_Flemming | Hello! I want to see the files in a certain .deb file (installed already), how do I do that? |
| 21:42.39 | mentor | mc__: but... you know... feel free to start one. |
| 21:42.47 | capiira | brb reboot |
| 21:42.47 | mentor | dpkg -L |
| 21:42.56 | Horst_Flemming | mentor: cheers! |
| 21:42.57 | mc__ | mentor: well,then especially for Sid users |
| 21:43.08 | mc__ | mentor: arent sid users a niche? |
| 21:43.20 | mentor | no more than stable users |
| 21:43.37 | mc__ | mentor: are you sure? |
| 21:43.40 | mentor | never. |
| 21:43.42 | Thms | !marilla |
| 21:44.00 | CharminTheMoose | for debian sid users(not me) |
| 21:44.09 | Thms | !marillat |
| 21:44.09 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 21:44.52 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: set the topic to the sid-factoid .... |
| 21:45.11 | Thms | !marillat.sarge$ |
| 21:45.13 | Thms | !marillat.sarge |
| 21:45.13 | dpkg | from memory, marillat.sarge is marillat's repository for sarge/stable. To add the repository, su root, cd /etc/apt and then: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" >>sources.list -OR- echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" >>sources.list ..... then apt-get update |
| 21:45.19 | mentor | Thms: /msg dpkg? |
| 21:45.23 | Thms | mentor: tg |
| 21:45.25 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:what? |
| 21:45.33 | pumpkin0 | !tell CharminTheMoose about sid |
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| 21:45.51 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: set the topic of #debian-sid to what dpkg just told you. |
| 21:46.03 | capiira | working fine the new stuff |
| 21:46.19 | capiira | i will stay with debian for ever |
| 21:46.51 | protocol1 | If I were to get the netinstall for installing etch would you recommend I get the daily snapshot? |
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| 21:47.08 | capiira | i used weekly snapshot last week |
| 21:47.17 | protocol1 | yeah same here for my lappy |
| 21:47.20 | capiira | worked fine |
| 21:47.28 | protocol1 | but im curious abou te daily |
| 21:47.31 | capiira | i just missed a detailed package selection |
| 21:48.05 | capiira | there was just categories to select |
| 21:48.06 | mike1980 | HI guys How do I make my defualt player in firefox kaffiene please? |
| 21:48.19 | protocol1 | I also have a netgear wireless card that Im wondering if it would detect |
| 21:48.21 | capiira | desktop, ftp, etc. |
| 21:48.41 | capiira | dunno im wired |
| 21:48.53 | capiira | and my laptop is still running windows |
| 21:48.56 | sid | protocol1: It doesn't matter what the wireless card original manufacturer is.(netgear) what matters is the chipset inside the card. and they all use differents ones at different times |
| 21:49.03 | capiira | gf likes carom3d too much |
| 21:49.23 | sid | protocol1: If you have your laptop on now, with the wireless pcmcia card plugged in, do a "lcpsci" and put it on www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 21:49.56 | sid | !tell mike1980 about #kde |
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| 21:50.13 | sid | mike1980: Ask them there. |
| 21:50.18 | sid | /join #kde |
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| 21:50.36 | mike1980 | SId: ok thanks |
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| 21:51.14 | protocol1 | sid, http://rafb.net/p/2Q9Y5N23.html |
| 21:51.18 | capiira | so people you might have me bugging or helping for the next years here in :) |
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| 21:52.20 | sid | protocol1: You have an intel pro 2200bg wireless chipset. |
| 21:52.32 | protocol1 | oh |
| 21:52.40 | protocol1 | I know that |
| 21:53.01 | protocol1 | I was talking about when I load etch on my desktop machine...which I havent got to yet |
| 21:53.03 | sid | protocol1: Your card is supported here: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:53.04 | protocol1 | and will later |
| 21:53.19 | capiira | and if not you can still try ndiswrapper |
| 21:53.34 | protocol1 | sid, I will do the lspci and post when I get to my desktop later |
| 21:53.53 | sid | protocol1: I'm not sure, but I believe that driver might have made it into the mainline kernel, so it might work in etch out of the box. |
| 21:53.58 | protocol1 | maybe you would be kind enough to help me later? if your on that is? |
| 21:54.13 | sid | protocol1: sure |
| 21:54.19 | pumpkin0 | capiira, protocol1: the ipw2200 works very fine with kernel 2.6.16 and up. I'm online via one of these right now. |
| 21:54.28 | sid | !ipw2200 |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | well, ipw2200 is a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 21:54.32 | capiira | ah ok |
| 21:54.33 | sid | pumpkin0: I'll just tell you to do that. fyi |
| 21:54.37 | sid | er |
| 21:54.46 | sid | protocol1: that is. I'll tell you to do that. |
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| 21:55.28 | protocol1 | yeah all I did with this laptop was load firmware for it |
| 21:55.31 | protocol1 | and vola |
| 21:55.51 | protocol1 | but Im not sure how my desktop will work out |
| 21:55.56 | protocol1 | good I hope |
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| 21:56.01 | sid | pumpkin0: yes, so your card works out of the box. You can use the gui and go to System/Administration/Networking and just select the card and then properties choose the essid and do dhcp and hit "ok", or from cli "iwconfig eth? essid "linksys"; dhclient eth?;" |
| 21:56.19 | sid | dammit, I keep addressing pumpkin0, heh |
| 21:56.23 | protocol1 | of course I will have to use one of the NIC's on it for the netistall |
| 21:56.50 | protocol1 | netinstall* |
| 21:56.56 | sanmarcos | can anybody help me in setting up an APC back-ups es 550 with USB, apcaccess shows http://en.pastebin.ca/291884, but apctest fails with http://en.pastebin.ca/291885, any ideas? |
| 21:57.05 | capiira | funny i just noticed that few weeks ago when i tested etch testing on vm-ware the firefox icon was a pastel globe with a white mouse arrow and now its a blue globe |
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| 21:58.11 | raf256 | how to have system detecting USB power 50% level? and shutdown |
| 21:58.19 | sid | capiira: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel#History |
| 21:58.26 | capiira | was something like or that preferred application webbrowser icon |
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| 21:58.34 | protocol1 | sid, can you please give me a list of the default sources.list for etch..? |
| 21:58.58 | sid | !sources.list |
| 21:58.58 | dpkg | well, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
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| 21:59.38 | capiira | yeah sid i heard of that but i still have the normal firefox installed |
| 21:59.44 | sid | protocol1: Just do that, get rid of contrib and non-free, change "sarge" to "etch", and then add another line for security. |
| 21:59.48 | sid | !security |
| 21:59.49 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 21:59.51 | capiira | just icedove is installed |
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| 22:00.25 | sid | protocol1: And add that, but instead of stable/updates, do etch/updates; |
| 22:01.08 | protocol1 | thats it? |
| 22:01.15 | capiira | or testing/updates :) |
| 22:01.24 | sid | yes, you only need two lines for what you're going to do most likely. |
| 22:01.53 | protocol1 | ok thanks...I just copy pasted those instructions...I will do them later |
| 22:01.53 | astronaute | is etch stable now or not yet ? |
| 22:02.03 | protocol1 | no |
| 22:02.06 | sid | "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main" |
| 22:02.36 | sid | (on separate lines) |
| 22:02.43 | protocol1 | yeah I know |
| 22:02.47 | protocol1 | thank you again |
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| 22:03.40 | capiira | sid what happens if they remove a package from testing will i get some notice on synaptics package manager? |
| 22:03.48 | sid | If you want to do things like download source code(not binaries[the stuff you execute]) then you'd add the same two lines, but instead of "deb " it would be "deb-src ", so you'd have 4 lines in total. |
| 22:04.05 | resistance | hi guys, i booted into debian live, now how can i reinstall the kernel to my herdrive |
| 22:04.10 | sid | protocol1: Then you could do things like apt-get source firefox; and download firefox source code. But if you don't plan on doing that, no need to have it. |
| 22:04.31 | sid | capiira: no, probably not |
| 22:04.37 | protocol1 | yeah ...I dont compile |
| 22:04.49 | sid | capiira: But once etch is released, there won't be any packages removed. to my knowledge |
| 22:04.50 | protocol1 | well I take that back...I do when I have to |
| 22:05.13 | capiira | yeah im planing to keep testing |
| 22:05.34 | sid | resistance: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-blahblah |
| 22:05.46 | sid | !tell resistance about ask |
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| 22:06.30 | protocol1 | sid, I really appreciate you giving me that information.....enjoy your day |
| 22:07.00 | sid | resistance: Please give more information. You already have debian on the hard disk I assume? since there is no way to install new kernels via livecd only.(since when you reboot the read only memory(cd) won't have the new kernel on it) heh |
| 22:07.02 | sid | resistance: What version of debian are you using? |
| 22:08.03 | resistance | sid: etch |
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| 22:08.35 | resistance | sid: i upgraded sarge to etch and it deleted my kernel |
| 22:08.39 | pumpkin0 | is the wpa_supplicant -Dwext using the CPU to do the en/decrypting or the WLAN-card ? |
| 22:08.40 | sid | resistance: ok, How do you have partitions setup? put the output of the command "fdisk -l" on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 22:09.57 | resistance | sid: fdisk doesn't work, i only have the minimal live cd, debian did an automatic partition, if that helps any |
| 22:10.07 | sid | resistance: yes probably. the wireless card probably has a small embeded chip, but it's just for very basic packet switching stuff, it's not powerful enough for decrypt/encrypt stuff. |
| 22:10.18 | resistance | sid: there are only two partitions on the drive |
| 22:10.23 | sid | resistance: What livecd are you using? where did you get it from? |
| 22:10.40 | sid | resistance: You don't have access to command line? you need to be root to run the fdisk command. |
| 22:11.18 | resistance | debian website: debian-live-sid-1386-minimal |
| 22:11.25 | pumpkin0 | sid: thanks. |
| 22:11.58 | sid | pumpkin0: sure. |
| 22:12.12 | sid | damn, I keep missing peoples aliases and addressing the wrong people today. heh |
| 22:12.20 | resistance | sid: i am at the command line, how do i switch to root |
| 22:12.27 | sid | resistance: su - |
| 22:12.33 | sid | o boy, heh |
| 22:13.01 | nekostar | well merry xmass and enjoy the commercials |
| 22:13.03 | nekostar | <3 |
| 22:14.35 | resistance | sid: youll have to be a bit clearer to me, what password do i use for root? |
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| 22:14.58 | sid | resistance: How am I supposed to know your root password? Where did you get this livecd? |
| 22:15.32 | resistance | i got it from the debian website, how can i log into the local root with the live cd? |
| 22:15.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't like this 0.3.0 supertux |
| 22:15.51 | sid | tarzeau: new supertux? awesome |
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| 22:16.12 | sid | tarzeau: You know about the official debian livecd? What is the root password? |
| 22:16.20 | mc__ | tarzeau: is it already in sid? |
| 22:16.24 | tarzeau | sid: sudo su? |
| 22:16.33 | tarzeau | sid: debian has an official live cd? that's news to me |
| 22:16.37 | sid | same |
| 22:16.39 | tarzeau | mc__: no |
| 22:16.48 | CyberWorld | I think he means the net install cd |
| 22:16.51 | mc__ | !info supertux sid |
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| 22:17.00 | dpkg | supertux: (Classic 2D jump 'n run sidescroller with Tux), section games, is optional. Version: 0.1.3-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 212 kB, Installed size: 500 kB |
| 22:17.00 | sid | resistance: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ you got it from there? |
| 22:17.02 | tarzeau | mc__: it's 37mb source package |
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| 22:17.20 | rfrank | if I were to use ext2 instead of ext3 what would I be losing |
| 22:17.22 | resistance | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:17.27 | tarzeau | mc__: and will not be playable anymore without opengl (non-free video drivers) |
| 22:17.34 | resistance | tarzeau: ya |
| 22:17.38 | tarzeau | mc__: so i'm not sure if i want to do the same shit like the xplanet maintainer did |
| 22:17.40 | abrotman | ok |
| 22:17.43 | deadcat | i ran: root@hades:~# debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, but i get this error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:18.01 | deadcat | the bootstrap didnt seem to extra any apt or apt-util package |
| 22:18.08 | pumpkin0 | rfrank: quick reboot after crashs and a lot of time if fsck runs it's normal every X days/mounts checkup. |
| 22:18.09 | tarzeau | resistance: that's not THE official debian live cd |
| 22:18.21 | tarzeau | resistance: it's just software to create live cds using debian |
| 22:18.35 | sid | resistance: echo $USER; and tell me what it says. |
| 22:18.36 | mc__ | tarzeau: what did he do? |
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| 22:18.51 | tarzeau | mc__: who? |
| 22:18.52 | resistance | casper |
| 22:19.00 | mc__ | tarzeau: there are free OpenGL-accelerated drivers |
| 22:19.03 | mc__ | tarzeau: the xplanet maintainer |
| 22:19.04 | sid | resistance: The livecd default user is casper? |
| 22:19.05 | tarzeau | resistance: yes i know about it, i used it for livecd.gnustep.org |
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| 22:19.16 | resistance | sid: yes |
| 22:19.25 | rfrank | Whats the best thing to do if I want a hard drive to be writable by windows and linux |
| 22:19.27 | me_here | how do i define the magic SYSRQ key ? |
| 22:19.27 | sid | resistance: Is that what your username was on your hard disk debian install? |
| 22:19.29 | tarzeau | mc__: command line switches went away that i used to use, upstream did so, maintained followed blindly |
| 22:19.38 | resistance | sid: no |
| 22:19.44 | tarzeau | me_here: read the linux kernel documentation |
| 22:19.52 | tarzeau | rfrank: fat |
| 22:19.57 | sid | resistance: When you boot the livecd was there an option to boot as root? |
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| 22:19.59 | pumpkin0 | rfrank: use a ext3 driver for windows or fat32. |
| 22:20.08 | mc__ | tarzeau: and what are you planning to do with supertux? |
| 22:20.09 | sid | resistance: You need to be root, try rebooting and going into root via the livecd |
| 22:20.15 | resistance | sid: didnt' see one |
| 22:20.19 | tarzeau | mc__: not upgrade it, certainly not for etch |
| 22:20.25 | me_here | tarzeau: i thought it's the CTL-ALT-print key combination for SYSRQ magic as default |
| 22:20.28 | sid | resistance: You have any other livecds? |
| 22:20.28 | resistance | sid: ok |
| 22:20.31 | me_here | hrmm |
| 22:20.35 | resistance | sid: no |
| 22:20.43 | tarzeau | me_here: and i thought it's the sysrq key |
| 22:20.45 | sid | ok, reboot and try for root. |
| 22:20.50 | tarzeau | me_here: yeah something like that |
| 22:21.01 | pumpkin0 | me_here: yes, that is the one of the many sysrq-keys. |
| 22:21.06 | resistance | sid: maybe i need to download one? |
| 22:21.09 | deadcat | i ran: root@hades:~# debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, but i get this error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:21.10 | me_here | ok thank you |
| 22:21.11 | mc__ | tarzeau: but for sid,I hope? |
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| 22:21.32 | mc__ | tarzeau: or split into another package. |
| 22:21.39 | pumpkin0 | me_here: but to change them you have to recompile the kernel (and hack the source if you want strange combos) |
| 22:21.45 | sid | resistance: actually wait |
| 22:21.54 | tarzeau | mc__: i don't know yet, i might also just orphan it, i'll know in a week |
| 22:21.58 | sid | resistance: sudo passwd; and set a root password. then do su -; and put in that password. |
| 22:22.12 | me_here | pumpkin0: thank you i'll look into my .conf file |
| 22:22.13 | mc__ | tarzeau: what about moving the new version into contributed? |
| 22:22.35 | tarzeau | mc__: they switched to jam build system, and their install target support was, and still is beyond shit |
| 22:22.48 | tarzeau | mc__: that wouldn't make sense |
| 22:22.57 | tarzeau | mc__: either just upgrade it, or not |
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| 22:23.15 | mc__ | tarzeau: well you said it depends on unfree 3d-drivers,so i makes sense to mee |
| 22:23.15 | tarzeau | mc__: i don't see sense bloating up debian with 25 mb ugly ogg music files |
| 22:23.16 | sid | resistance: no the one you have is good. |
| 22:23.36 | resistance | sid: done |
| 22:23.36 | tarzeau | with a game, that all people with pure free software (no non-free video drivers) can't play |
| 22:23.47 | resistance | do u want to know fdisk return? |
| 22:23.50 | sid | resistance: now type "fdisk -l" yes |
| 22:23.54 | tarzeau | mc__: no, it works in slide-show mode with free software drivers |
| 22:24.08 | mc__ | tarzeau: lol |
| 22:24.14 | mc__ | tarzeau: so its not really working |
| 22:24.20 | tarzeau | mc__: yes it is |
| 22:24.21 | pumpkin0 | me_here: there are syreqs for shutdown (w/o any cleanup), syncing the discs, rebooting (hard, no cleanup). It is fun to put them on stock-combos (ctrl-s for hard shutdown) but the usual keys are a more sane setup. |
| 22:24.24 | tarzeau | you'll just not enjoy it |
| 22:24.40 | tarzeau | there seems to be hacks to build non-opengl versions, i just didn't find out how yet |
| 22:24.41 | sid | resistance: fdisk -l|grep dev; and tell me how many /dev/* lines there are. |
| 22:24.42 | geo-rge | resistance: still not work?? |
| 22:25.03 | resistance | sid: i'm on a different machine, what info do u need, ihave dev/hda1, dev/hda2, dev/hda5 |
| 22:25.08 | mc__ | tarzeau: its written with OpenGL isnt it? |
| 22:25.14 | tarzeau | but then, mazeofgalious is the so much better game |
| 22:25.16 | sid | resistance: Is one of those three ntfs(windows)? |
| 22:25.23 | sid | resistance: Which one is the big Linux partition? |
| 22:25.38 | resistance | sid: dev/hda2 |
| 22:25.47 | resistance | sidL i have no ntfs |
| 22:25.48 | geo-rge | well looks like you're in good hands... |
| 22:25.52 | CharminTheMoose | booya,my system is now a mere 1.6GB booya! |
| 22:25.54 | sid | resistance: mkdir /dec25; mount /dev/hda2 /dec25; cd /dec25; ls; |
| 22:25.55 | CharminTheMoose | anyway... |
| 22:26.10 | mc__ | tarzeau: maybe you can replace some uses of OpenGL with sdl-gfx,which uses MMX and SSE |
| 22:26.29 | tarzeau | mc__: hahaha, do you think i have no life? |
| 22:26.35 | sid | resistance: Do you see bin boot sbin etc all the stuff from /? |
| 22:26.44 | tarzeau | mc__: man! i've got a girlfriend, and there's far better games/graphics/software |
| 22:27.07 | tarzeau | mc__: did you look at supertux? they've got graphics from all over, which is not consistent at no place |
| 22:27.10 | sid | resistance: if so, # chroot /dec25; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; and tell me what it says in there.(sarge/stable/etch/testing/sid/unstable) |
| 22:27.16 | mc__ | tarzeau: well,i dont have a life. Maybe I'll take a look at it next year |
| 22:27.16 | tarzeau | mc__: the whole thing is a large mess |
| 22:27.28 | mc__ | tarzeau: sow why do you maintain it? |
| 22:27.29 | tarzeau | mc__: good luck - but then, you'd better get a life |
| 22:27.42 | mc__ | tarzeau: i dont need one |
| 22:27.43 | tarzeau | mc__: i liked it until 0.1.3, it got worse afterwards |
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| 22:27.55 | geo-rge | me, I originally wanted to try the fglrx thing, so... I built myself a 2.6.18, then upgraded to etch, then discovered that the gcc I had installed should match the gcc that compiled the kernel... so I rebuilt my kernel without changing anything in .config... |
| 22:28.09 | geo-rge | and now, I have a kernel compiled by the gcc I have installed |
| 22:28.20 | tarzeau | mc__: it's a 2d game, why do they need the opengl ? |
| 22:28.30 | tarzeau | mc__: for the snow effects? that's so stupid |
| 22:28.38 | geo-rge | so I -should- be able to build the fglrx, yes? :) |
| 22:28.41 | mc__ | tarzeau: image scaling and such things runs a lot faster with OpenGL |
| 22:28.41 | tarzeau | mc__: i'll rather look at www.mtp-target.org again |
| 22:28.54 | tarzeau | mc__: they don't fucking do image scaling |
| 22:29.35 | mc__ | tarzeau: omg ist that in debian? |
| 22:29.47 | tarzeau | mc__: mtp-target? |
| 22:30.01 | tarzeau | mc__: no, but if someone would package libnel (i'll work on it) it will be |
| 22:30.14 | resistance | sid: mount: must specify filesystem |
| 22:30.21 | tarzeau | mc__: btw tried kiki the nanobot or bub-n-bros.sf.net yet? |
| 22:30.22 | mc__ | tarzeau: it looks great |
| 22:30.30 | tarzeau | mc__: it *IS* awesome great! |
| 22:30.52 | sid | resistance: fdisk -l; what did that say for what filesystem type /dev/hda2 is? |
| 22:30.57 | tarzeau | mc__: imagine 16 linux pingaroo balls rolling down the hill, hitting the others into the sea |
| 22:31.00 | geo-rge | !fglrx |
| 22:31.00 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 22:31.12 | tarzeau | mc__: and then some landing on a target - all with that one great music track |
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| 22:31.46 | tarzeau | with internet high score. and the level can end up completely different by some kamikazee pingaroo pushing you off the target |
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| 22:31.53 | mc__ | tarzeau: if i can help you somehow to package it,just tell me. I don't really have packagin skills but i know a bit of c/c++,maybe that can help sometime dunno. |
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| 22:31.57 | tarzeau | mc__: i have played that thing HOURS, if not DAYS |
| 22:32.28 | tarzeau | mc__: ok, i'm off to sleep, but if you're here regularly, we'll work on it |
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| 22:32.40 | mc__ | tarzeau: alright,sleep well. |
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| 22:32.57 | Gislegutt | is there a guid to activate quota support on the harddrive in debian? |
| 22:33.41 | geo-rge | How do I "use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz)"? |
| 22:33.41 | resistance | sod: extended |
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| 22:33.55 | resistance | sid: extended |
| 22:34.44 | guiss | hi guys, I am trying to configure shorewall and the init script doesn't load the file '/usr/share/shorewall/functions' in order to get the 'find_first_interface_address' command. Any tip? |
| 22:34.57 | sid | resistance: mkdir /dec25; mount -t ext3 /dev/hda2 /dec25; cd /dec25; chroot /dec25; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; |
| 22:38.50 | capiira | ohh rip: james brown |
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| 22:41.22 | geo-rge | ok, module-assistant part done, installed, x restarted... now how do I find out if dri is active? |
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| 22:41.49 | sid | geo-rge: glxinfo|grep direct |
| 22:42.24 | geo-rge | heh... command not found... what package is it in |
| 22:42.47 | sid | mesa-utils |
| 22:43.31 | geo-rge | direct rendering: No |
| 22:43.47 | sid | so it doesn't work |
| 22:43.57 | geo-rge | for some def of that, yes |
| 22:44.02 | sid | geo-rge: What graphics chipset do you have? |
| 22:44.14 | resistance | sid: sorry, i had to help someone else |
| 22:44.19 | geo-rge | ati r300 / 9600se |
| 22:44.24 | resistance | sid: my file system is linux |
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| 22:45.06 | geo-rge | resistance: you say hda2 ia an "extended" partition? |
| 22:45.06 | kjaer | Anyone knows where I can find php5-pdo-mysql for stable ? |
| 22:45.15 | kjaer | Not on dotdeb.org anymore |
| 22:45.20 | geo-rge | maybe backports.org |
| 22:45.32 | streuner | !tell kjaer about backports |
| 22:45.58 | resistance | fdisk returns: dev/hda1, which is linux, which is the boot. dev/hda2, which is extended |
| 22:45.59 | geo-rge | btw, php? mysql? you might try to be open to better choices for both of those |
| 22:46.31 | geo-rge | resistance: extended is a container for logical partitions (those >= hda5) |
| 22:47.08 | resistance | dev/hda5: linux swap / solaris |
| 22:47.30 | geo-rge | so: hda2 contains hda5 |
| 22:47.31 | resistance | but what is the mount -t for linux file system |
| 22:47.55 | geo-rge | hda5 is a swap... that doesnt' get "mounted" |
| 22:48.06 | geo-rge | you cannot mount an extended |
| 22:48.14 | resistance | goe-rge: i'm refering to hda1 |
| 22:48.23 | kjaer | geo-rge, Well, I need pdo-sqlite and pdo-postgresql as well. |
| 22:48.30 | geo-rge | how was hda1 formated? |
| 22:48.42 | kjaer | But django, zope etc. is available as well. Our clients who decide.. |
| 22:48.51 | resistance | debian did it automatically: it says files system: Linux |
| 22:49.07 | geo-rge | try with no -t <type> |
| 22:49.26 | geo-rge | i.e., let mount try to guess |
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| 22:49.38 | resistance | ok, done |
| 22:49.43 | amphi | resistance: that's a partition type, not fs type |
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| 22:49.56 | geo-rge | ok, cd to the mount point and see if there's something there |
| 22:50.12 | geo-rge | beyond that, I think sid had some sort of plan |
| 22:50.12 | amphi | resistance: file -s /dev/hda1 should tell you what fs is on that partition |
| 22:50.39 | SmallR2002 | if i use a compressed tunnel to connect to my home network how high an 'up' in performance can i expect over an uncompressed one? |
| 22:50.43 | geo-rge | amphi: if mount was successful, then mount with no args will say |
| 22:50.44 | resistance | sid: i'm done |
| 22:51.08 | sid | resistance: So you're chrooted in /dec25 now? |
| 22:51.12 | resistance | yes |
| 22:51.23 | amphi | geo-rge: true |
| 22:51.37 | sid | resistance: Does /etc/apt/sources.list have the words sarge/stable/unstable/sid anywhere in the file? It should only say etch/testing right? |
| 22:52.15 | geo-rge | amphi: I took: "debian formatted it automatically" and "partition type is linux" to imply "mount might be able to guess" |
| 22:52.17 | resistance | sid: i changes all that to etch and testing when i upgraded |
| 22:52.49 | amphi | geo-rge: should do, yeah |
| 22:52.54 | sid | resistance: So /etc/apt/sources.list does not have the words sarge/stable/unstable/sid anywhere om the file right? only testing/etch? |
| 22:53.22 | resistance | yes |
| 22:53.35 | sid | resistance: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
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| 22:54.50 | enouf | amphi: heh .. i got a way to automount a cd while placed in tray when it's not mounted (also not set to auto) in /etc/fstab .. AND get info about it .. $ sudo hwinfo --cdrom should do |
| 22:54.56 | sid | resistance: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-3-686; |
| 22:54.56 | resistance | sid: i guess that would be a problem becuase my net card isn't loaded |
| 22:55.05 | sid | resistance: wireless or wired? |
| 22:55.41 | icyfire0574 | I upgraded my xserver to the latest version and broke FGLRX. The fix I found says to revert my xserver package, but I have no idea how to do this. Could someone help me |
| 22:57.28 | resistance | sid: wired, apt search retuerns a bunch of kernels but i need the i386 |
| 22:57.32 | geo-rge | let's try again... |
| 22:58.15 | resistance | sid: or would 686 work?? |
| 22:58.30 | sid | resistance: So plug in a category 5e wire into your network interface card. type "dhclient eth0" and then type the commands I said(yes 686 will wor) |
| 22:58.33 | sid | k |
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| 22:58.52 | geo-rge | still direct rendering: no |
| 22:59.25 | enouf | icyfire0574: guess you might try to check /var/log/dpkg.log and see what pkgs got upgraded .. then reinstall the older versions (may need to install --reinstall .. or even --purge remove) |
| 22:59.54 | icyfire0574 | enouf, the system hasn't been updated in a long time, and it looks like a revert might take me as far back as xorg 6.9 |
| 22:59.54 | resistance | sid:sid: no such file or directory: net should work fine i've been using it up till now |
| 23:00.14 | enouf | icyfire0574: oh .. so you upgraded the system? |
| 23:00.20 | sid | resistance: What do you mean no such file or directory? |
| 23:00.27 | sid | resistance: What did you type? more information |
| 23:00.36 | enouf | icyfire0574: you said xserver |
| 23:00.46 | icyfire0574 | enouf, I've been looking more on google and it says the issue has been fixed in "incoming" which I presume is the repository that packages get put in for testing before being pushed down enough to install updates to etch machines. |
| 23:00.51 | RvGaTe | mc_, you there ? |
| 23:01.00 | resistance | sid: proc/net/dev no such file or directory |
| 23:01.27 | icyfire0574 | enouf, agreed. I thought they were linked (I know xorg is 7.1, but i thought xserver was a part of it, ill look at the /var/apt/cache files again to see what I ahve |
| 23:01.51 | enouf | !xorg69to7 |
| 23:01.52 | dpkg | well, xorg69to7 is http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 23:02.14 | sid | resistance: You didn't get on the network via the livecd when it booted? |
| 23:02.47 | resistance | sid: could it be because i have the minimal live cd |
| 23:03.16 | sid | resistance: no |
| 23:03.19 | icyfire0574 | I found that I do have the xserver-xorg-core_1.0.2-9.deb, I'm going to dpkg -i it and see how that goes. |
| 23:03.39 | resistance | ethernet lights are flashing normal |
| 23:03.59 | sid | resistance: show me ifconfig |
| 23:04.03 | sid | on rafb.net/paste |
| 23:04.24 | resistance | sid: cannot open |
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| 23:04.44 | resistance | sid: same error |
| 23:05.10 | Thms | !marillat.sarge |
| 23:05.10 | dpkg | somebody said marillat.sarge was marillat's repository for sarge/stable. To add the repository, su root, cd /etc/apt and then: echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main" >>sources.list -OR- echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main" >>sources.list ..... then apt-get update |
| 23:05.15 | sid | resistance: exit; dhclient eth0; |
| 23:05.19 | abrotman | Thms: msg the damn bot |
| 23:05.23 | sid | Thms: /msg dpkg marillat.sarge |
| 23:05.27 | sid | !tell Thms about msgdpkg |
| 23:05.35 | Thms | !tell sid about stop annoying me |
| 23:06.17 | resistance | i gotto gosid: command not found |
| 23:06.29 | resistance | b back in 30 minutes |
| 23:06.57 | resistance | sid: or do you have another quick thing |
| 23:07.14 | sid | resistance: Just reformat. heh |
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| 23:07.20 | resistance | right now im @: live:/dec25 |
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| 23:07.35 | geo-rge | ok, so you're not chrooted there |
| 23:07.38 | rfrank | When I put my usb stick in and double click on it on the desktop it says "Failed to determine the mount point for /dev/sda" |
| 23:07.44 | resistance | well i exited |
| 23:07.48 | geo-rge | ahh, ok |
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| 23:07.56 | geo-rge | (so you knew that :) |
| 23:08.02 | sid | resistance: echo $USER |
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| 23:08.18 | resistance | sid: root |
| 23:08.19 | sid | If you're not root, login as root and type "dhclient eth0" |
| 23:08.27 | sid | resistance: And dhclient command doesn't work? |
| 23:08.38 | resistance | sid: my questions is, why did it delete my kernel |
| 23:08.41 | resistance | no |
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| 23:09.10 | geo-rge | yes, and upstairs I have a playstation |
| 23:09.17 | sid | resistance: The minimal cd doesn't have networking. |
| 23:09.22 | sid | wtf, who makes a livecd without networkign. |
| 23:09.28 | resistance | ok, maybe i could download the other one |
| 23:09.39 | streuner | sid: saves bandwidths ;-) |
| 23:10.00 | resistance | sid: should i download the statnder one? |
| 23:10.02 | sid | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#head-7efac8fb9267426ea61a3ad1bdb9ed87cd0acd18 |
| 23:10.13 | sid | resistance: Just format your box. Is there even anything imporant on there? |
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| 23:10.25 | geo-rge | streuner: but at the same time it makes it difficult to establish networking (i.e., to change one's mind about whether to network) |
| 23:10.30 | resistance | i have to redownload all the packages that's about it |
| 23:10.32 | rfrank | Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1 FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found any way to install this charset / where is it in kernel config |
| 23:10.34 | sid | If you don't know how to login as root, you might as well just format and try again. |
| 23:10.43 | resistance | and i get charged for banswidth :D |
| 23:10.52 | sid | resistance: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:10.56 | resistance | sid: i am logged in as root |
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| 23:11.15 | sid | resistance: I know, I'm refering to before. |
| 23:11.31 | sid | 17:12 < resistance> sid: i am at the command line, how do i switch to root |
| 23:11.40 | resistance | sid: when is testing going to become stable? |
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| 23:12.13 | streuner | !wir |
| 23:12.13 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 23:12.15 | sid | resistance: wwer or wir asiyh |
| 23:13.09 | Cyis | back in the comfort of my own home on my own workstation |
| 23:13.27 | enouf | Cyis: how was the drive? |
| 23:13.29 | geo-rge | resistance: there's supposed to be a date... but stuff happens and ultimately the release date is in the hands of the release manager |
| 23:13.29 | phantomcircuit | MERRY CHRISTMAS |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | there's no date |
| 23:14.22 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 23:15.09 | Cyis | enouf: Not bad until I was actually close to home... 3 accidents on GA-400 within a few miles... on the last one the guy in front of me was rubber necking and slowed down so I had to make an evasive lane change... passed him only to find out he was fscking with his cell phone |
| 23:15.39 | geo-rge | abrotman: oh, ok |
| 23:15.56 | streuner | sid: mpg321 http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1043 |
| 23:16.14 | enouf | Cyis: what a bunch of idiots eh? .. and it was already after Sunday too :-) .. but the Holidays are the same most times |
| 23:16.56 | rfrank | Hey, I was having trouble mountin my usb drive and I did it manually by setting the iocharset to utf8; any way to set it so that it will do this by default? |
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| 23:18.41 | Cyis | he saw me cursing him to my wife as we passed him and he was behind us right up until we finally got off the highway |
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| 23:20.04 | enouf | Cyis: think he learned anything? .. hehe |
| 23:20.10 | Cyis | now I can get my workstation up to speed |
| 23:20.13 | Cyis | enouf: probably not... |
| 23:20.24 | Cyis | but like hell was I gonna be behind him |
| 23:20.39 | enouf | Cyis: you go .. in comfort of home, at long last |
| 23:20.57 | astronaute | when edge will become stable please anyone knows ? |
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| 23:21.05 | abrotman | etch ? |
| 23:21.06 | Cyis | yep... just got done installing beryl... now to get the nvidia module |
| 23:21.11 | astronaute | etch |
| 23:21.13 | astronaute | =) |
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| 23:21.15 | streuner | abrotman: How is life TODAY? |
| 23:21.17 | amphi | !tell astronaute about WIR |
| 23:21.18 | abrotman | when it's done |
| 23:21.20 | abrotman | streuner: fine |
| 23:21.26 | enyc | astronaute: this is not known exactly |
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| 23:21.38 | astronaute | ok thx =) |
| 23:21.54 | enyc | amphi: ?how do I ho that !tell thing without bothering everybody else with the command? |
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| 23:22.09 | rfrank | enyc, /msg dpkg something |
| 23:22.16 | astronaute | !tell enyc about RTFM |
| 23:22.17 | tarzeau | 00:22 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from astronaute: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 23:22.18 | astronaute | =))) |
| 23:22.38 | astronaute | cu guys have to go |
| 23:22.38 | enouf | enyc: christmas moose? |
| 23:23.00 | amphi | enyc: /msg dpkg foo |
| 23:23.01 | enouf | er nm |
| 23:23.31 | enyc | amphi: got that working... thanks |
| 23:23.45 | enyc | enouf: ?? dont understand |
| 23:23.45 | sid | haha, nice move tarzeau |
| 23:23.55 | enouf | enyc: no worries .. my bad |
| 23:23.56 | sid | enyc: type this "/msg dpkg help" and hit enter. |
| 23:24.12 | Cyis | m-a is such a handy utility |
| 23:24.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: are you fucking broken ? |
| 23:24.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, i'm fucking Katja :) |
| 23:24.43 | enouf | Cyis: sure .. install module-assistant |
| 23:24.51 | abrotman | not for long ... she's sure to find out you're an idiot who doesn't know how to work an irc client |
| 23:24.57 | Cyis | enouf: yeah I know... already done getting my nvidia module |
| 23:25.03 | enouf | doh .. I'm misreading .. duh |
| 23:26.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: she doesn't like computers particularly, because of the dangerous emissions you know |
| 23:27.48 | protocol1 | does anyone know how I can update my wine? |
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| 23:28.02 | tarzeau | protocol1: apt-get update; apt-get install wine |
| 23:28.11 | protocol1 | yeah its installed |
| 23:28.19 | tarzeau | protocol1: that command will update it |
| 23:28.22 | protocol1 | Im just wondering how I can update it |
| 23:28.30 | tarzeau | protocol1: i told you how |
| 23:28.32 | protocol1 | you a wine repos? |
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| 23:28.41 | tarzeau | protocol1: no i use main (sid+exp) |
| 23:28.41 | protocol1 | ok |
| 23:28.45 | protocol1 | thanks |
| 23:29.00 | sunrunner20 | where can you get individual .deb packages? |
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| 23:29.11 | abrotman | protocol1: then ask #winehq |
| 23:29.11 | tarzeau | sunrunner20: from the internet? |
| 23:29.18 | sunrunner20 | pref |
| 23:29.18 | tarzeau | sunrunner20: like of some special software? |
| 23:29.23 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 23:29.27 | sunrunner20 | packages assoicated with apt-get |
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| 23:30.10 | sunrunner20 | i'm not used to the inner workings of debian- its just my webhost uses it |
| 23:30.22 | bokey | i need to update my libsdl_*. how do i approach it ? |
| 23:30.35 | bokey | s/upgrade/update |
| 23:30.51 | sunrunner20 | bokey: apt-get update libsdl ? |
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| 23:31.03 | tarzeau | sunrunner20: no, apt-get install |
| 23:31.30 | sunrunner20 | my point exactly, i'm new, but I try :0 |
| 23:31.34 | protocol1 | abrotman, I can just use a wine repos to get the latest |
| 23:31.34 | bokey | tarzeau, it says i already have latest libsdl_* and libsdl_*-dev |
| 23:31.43 | tarzeau | bokey: then it doesn't lie |
| 23:31.47 | abrotman | protocol1: ask them .. if you're not using debian packages .. you're on your own |
| 23:31.51 | bokey | tarzeau, umm.. right. |
| 23:31.53 | tarzeau | bokey: or you want a different distribution |
| 23:31.55 | protocol1 | yeah |
| 23:32.02 | bokey | btw everyone merry xmas. |
| 23:32.03 | jatt | Failed to fetch the changelog for sun-java5-demo |
| 23:32.03 | jatt | URI was: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/sun-java5_1.5.0-10-1.1/changelog |
| 23:32.28 | abrotman | not surprising |
| 23:32.31 | Cyis | well bbiaf if all goes well... about to flip the switch on beryl |
| 23:32.49 | jatt | is required by (debian) policy to store the changelog in the pool? synaptic and aptitude don't find the changelog for the sun-java5-* packages. |
| 23:33.15 | sunrunner20 | and oh |
| 23:33.16 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 23:33.37 | phantomcircuit | Im looking to convert videos in a wide range of formats to wmv from the command line, what should I use? |
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| 23:33.49 | tarzeau | phantomcircuit: mplayer/mencoder |
| 23:34.09 | tarzeau | phantomcircuit: http://gnu.ethz.ch/repository/mplayer/ |
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| 23:34.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: debian-multimedia isn't good enough ? |
| 23:34.36 | phantomcircuit | tarzeau: :P |
| 23:34.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, i don't like it |
| 23:34.48 | abrotman | moron |
| 23:35.04 | abrotman | you're going to end up just as bad as dotdeb |
| 23:35.28 | tarzeau | i trust my own packages more than packages that are not in main |
| 23:35.36 | abrotman | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:35.36 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 23:35.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: then submit yours to debian-multimedia |
| 23:35.49 | tarzeau | and i'd recommend anyone to be like that very much so, because everything from non-debian will mess you up |
| 23:36.01 | abrotman | so then we don't end up with two piles of broken packages |
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| 23:37.38 | geo-rge | tarzeau: where do you think most of the stuff came from?? |
| 23:37.56 | tarzeau | geo-rge: what stuff? |
| 23:38.14 | sunrunner20 | can you install stuff w/o being root w/ apt-get? or will i have to get all funky with enviromental variables, compling from scratch, and storing within my area? |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | mp |
| 23:38.27 | abrotman | no |
| 23:38.32 | geo-rge | "everything from non-debian" |
| 23:38.42 | tarzeau | sunrunner20: i did this here for myself: www.linuks.mine.nu/uapt/ |
| 23:38.55 | tarzeau | geo-rge: Huh? |
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| 23:39.07 | tarzeau | geo-rge: debian won't distribute lame or mencoder (of mplayer) |
| 23:39.14 | tarzeau | geo-rge: that's why i run my own repositories |
| 23:39.32 | tarzeau | geo-rge: mainly for myself, then for me at work, then for http://livecd.gnustep.org/ then for whoever wants |
| 23:39.33 | geo-rge | why do you say that would "mess you up" |
| 23:39.38 | abrotman | which competes with debian-multimedia .. instead of tarzeau actually working with debian-multimedia |
| 23:39.39 | tarzeau | geo-rge: because it does |
| 23:39.46 | abrotman | which is typical :) |
| 23:39.53 | tarzeau | geo-rge: i've seen such fucked up systems, and they were fucked because of marillats packages |
| 23:40.02 | tarzeau | that's why i don't like them, the reason i do my own |
| 23:40.08 | geo-rge | I'd say the better solution would be to build yourself |
| 23:40.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried to work with marillat? |
| 23:40.17 | abrotman | tarzeau: then submit yours .. help them make better packages .. don't create your own repo and just recommend it .. help them |
| 23:40.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes i tried |
| 23:40.17 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
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| 23:40.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: look, he doesn't care about my packages. period |
| 23:40.28 | abrotman | it's not just him anymore afaik |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe he just doesn't like you :) |
| 23:40.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: maybe it's just a moron |
| 23:40.53 | tarzeau | and hasn't seen fucked up machines yet |
| 23:40.59 | abrotman | or maybe it's your fault! |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | i blame the swiss! |
| 23:41.05 | tarzeau | yeah maybe |
| 23:41.11 | bokey | tarzeau, a small problem with libsdl_image. are you in the mood to help ? |
| 23:41.18 | bokey | tarzeau, :) |
| 23:41.20 | abrotman | bokey: what's wrong ? |
| 23:41.21 | sunrunner20 | sweet thanks tarzeau |
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| 23:41.27 | bokey | abrotman, here's the paste http://channels.debian.net/paste/4907 |
| 23:41.29 | tarzeau | bokey: if you can ask very specifically? but it's better to just ask #debian not a person directly |
| 23:41.33 | Cyis | okay... part success.. part failure |
| 23:41.46 | geo-rge | I'm just saying "anything from not-debian messes you up" is too broad a statement and doesn't take things into account |
| 23:41.50 | abrotman | tarzeau will probably just recommend you get packages from his repo :) |
| 23:41.55 | bokey | here's the paste guys. http://channels.debian.net/paste/4907 |
| 23:42.06 | tarzeau | abrotman: bullshit, you know i won't =) |
| 23:42.16 | abrotman | you just did |
| 23:42.20 | geo-rge | If I can give a single example that doesn't "mess you up", that's de facto disproof |
| 23:42.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: that was for mencoder |
| 23:42.30 | abrotman | just as bad |
| 23:42.39 | abrotman | bokey: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 23:42.39 | bokey | i am trying to compile a small game called cube 2 from src. i have instealled everything with libsdl_* and libsdl_*-dev package but still showing error |
| 23:42.42 | geo-rge | (which would only take a rewording on your part to correct) |
| 23:43.01 | abrotman | bokey: it might require newer SDL libs |
| 23:43.11 | abrotman | bokey: see what version it requires |
| 23:43.12 | bokey | abrotman, but libsdl site is down |
| 23:43.12 | tarzeau | bokey: do you have debian gnu/linux sid? |
| 23:43.18 | bokey | tarzeau, ot |
| 23:43.22 | bokey | tarzeau, it's testing etch |
| 23:43.29 | tarzeau | bokey: see, try sid |
| 23:43.52 | geo-rge | wait a minute... you're advocating sid? |
| 23:43.55 | bokey | tarzeau, ok i'll replace 'etch' => 'sid' in my sources.list and see what happens |
| 23:44.07 | tarzeau | geo-rge: yes, certainly over testing, unless you inted to run stable at the end |
| 23:44.14 | tarzeau | bokey: oh and read |
| 23:44.15 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 23:44.16 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 23:44.43 | abrotman | tarzeau: now you're his personal support bitch |
| 23:44.52 | bokey | tarzeau, right. |
| 23:44.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: not when i'm asleep :) |
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| 23:44.58 | bokey | abrotman, :) |
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| 23:45.06 | bokey | dpkg, seen |
| 23:45.13 | geo-rge | bokey: he is not warning you of the consequences of running sid. plus, sid -is not supported- here... so YOU HAVE TO LEARN TO SOLVE YOUR OWN PROBLEMS if you choose sid |
| 23:45.30 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 23:45.31 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 23:46.03 | geo-rge | if you come here asking about sid and fail to get an answer, it could be because you have found a problem no one else has, and so no one yet has a solution |
| 23:48.13 | geo-rge | bokey: also, better make a disk backup plan |
| 23:48.16 | tarzeau | can someone identify this language? and possibly translate it to english? "i väntan på dh gjordes denna trevliga chip" |
| 23:48.20 | bokey | geo-rge, keep in mind about it. |
| 23:48.48 | geo-rge | I usually tell people to keep an installation journal |
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| 23:49.03 | bokey | geo-rge, i just need libsdl_image and libsdl_image-dev. but let's see. i'll revert back and clean the cache. and update :) |
| 23:49.10 | tarzeau | geo-rge: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
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| 23:49.33 | mc__ | tarzeau: sounds a bit like switzer-german |
| 23:49.38 | geo-rge | bokey: you might try to either build the required version yourself, or build the package |
| 23:49.54 | tarzeau | mc__: no it's from sweden/finland and around there |
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| 23:50.18 | mc__ | tarzeau: hm,dunno. |
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| 23:50.35 | abrotman | bokey: honestly .. unless you are really sure .. i wouldn't use sid |
| 23:50.59 | bokey | abrotman, -ve. there's no libsdl upgrade in sid. |
| 23:51.05 | bokey | abrotman, so now i'll revert |
| 23:51.17 | abrotman | you can't |
| 23:51.26 | tarzeau | haha |
| 23:51.26 | bokey | abrotman, yes i can. |
| 23:51.29 | abrotman | see .. that's how boxes get messed up.. blame tarzeau :) |
| 23:51.35 | geo-rge | unless you took my advise and made a backup :) |
| 23:51.37 | abrotman | "oh .. just go to sid .. it won't hurt " :) |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | bokey: no you can't |
| 23:51.53 | bokey | abrotman, clean /var/lib ? |
| 23:51.55 | tarzeau | bokey: did you upgrade any package? |
| 23:51.59 | abrotman | have fun |
| 23:52.01 | bokey | tarzeau, no |
| 23:52.12 | tarzeau | bokey: then revert the sources.list and do apt-get update |
| 23:52.18 | bokey | i did not upgrade anything. :) |
| 23:52.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: he didn't install any package |
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| 23:52.20 | bokey | hehe |
| 23:52.24 | geo-rge | maybe all he has to revert is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:52.26 | abrotman | okay .. we'll see |
| 23:52.38 | bokey | geo-rge, yeah. that's all i have to do |
| 23:52.39 | abrotman | oh wait .. not my problme .. tarzeau's problem |
| 23:52.40 | tarzeau | bokey: but you can't say you've run sid |
| 23:52.56 | tarzeau | problem? sid is great, the latest software! |
| 23:53.02 | bokey | tarzeau, i haven't. i just wanted to see if newer libsdl-image and libsdl-image-dev were available. |
| 23:53.10 | mc__ | tarzeau: full ack |
| 23:53.13 | abrotman | bokey: packages.debian.org is useful for that |
| 23:53.21 | bokey | abrotman, :) |
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| 23:55.05 | tarzeau | do mp3 players exist that can read from dvd-r media? |
| 23:55.14 | tarzeau | i mean portable, small, ones |
| 23:55.40 | abrotman | i've seen ones that take CDs |
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| 23:55.52 | sid | tarzeau: I've never heard of one. |
| 23:55.53 | bokey | abrotman, i got the unstable libsdl-image 1.2.5-2+b1 and libsdl-image-dev 1.2.5+b1. probably that's the problem. i need to step down my libsdl-image. :/ |
| 23:55.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: same here, but they only take like 700mb |
| 23:55.59 | abrotman | only ... |
| 23:56.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: not enough for ALL my favourite music |
| 23:56.19 | abrotman | bokey: why don't you ask the guy who wrote it which version it needs |
| 23:56.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh jeez .. use two |
| 23:56.32 | bokey | abrotman, i have already asked. but no reply yet. |
| 23:56.44 | abrotman | so wait instead of dicking around |
| 23:57.01 | sid | bokey: Isn't cube2 in debian? |
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| 23:57.08 | bokey | sid, no. |
| 23:57.17 | capiira | hmm anyone know why chkconfig is not working on debian etch testing? |
| 23:57.24 | tarzeau | bokey: tried #debian-games on oftc? |
| 23:57.34 | bokey | sid, neither is saurbetan |
| 23:57.34 | tarzeau | bokey: they sometimes have packages ready, not yet in debian |
| 23:57.37 | capiira | i always get command not found |
| 23:58.00 | tarzeau | capiira: did you install it? |
| 23:58.00 | mc__ | when Etch is out,how long will there bee security updates for Sarge? |
| 23:58.11 | tarzeau | mc__: quite some time, don't worry |
| 23:58.20 | tarzeau | mc__: half a year, i guess |
| 23:58.27 | Silent_Chaos`5D | I have successfully added physical volumes to my vg and lv, but I'm not sure how to resize the ext3 fs to fit the whole lv, can you help me please? |
| 23:58.31 | mc__ | tarzeau: not longer? |
| 23:58.34 | capiira | i cant find it using synaptics |
| 23:58.40 | tarzeau | mc__: maybe even longer |
| 23:58.42 | RvGaTe | mc__, hey |
| 23:58.53 | RvGaTe | mc__, you mc_ right? :P |
| 23:59.08 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 23:59.09 | dpkg | <jetscreamer> should be doable though, even if it's not |
| 23:59.10 | mc__ | RvGaTe: i'm not sure |
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| 23:59.24 | mc__ | tarzeau: alright,thank you. |
| 23:59.44 | abrotman | mc__: woody got them for a year |
| 23:59.45 | mc__ | RvGaTe: should i know you? |
| 23:59.50 | RvGaTe | mc__, nope you're not... never mind |
| 23:59.59 | mc__ | RvGaTe: ok |
