| 00:00.45 | Silent_Chaos`5D | anyone know how to resize an ext3 fs? |
| 00:00.48 | capiira | is chkconfig not in debian repo ? |
| 00:00.55 | abrotman | Silent_Chaos`5D: offline |
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| 00:01.07 | Silent_Chaos`5D | offline? |
| 00:01.17 | geo-rge | capiira: chkconfig is redhat, isnt't it? |
| 00:01.20 | mc__ | Silent_Chaos`5D: have you tried google? |
| 00:01.27 | Silent_Chaos`5D | aye |
| 00:01.28 | capiira | dont know |
| 00:01.39 | capiira | i need it to install an commercial app |
| 00:01.40 | geo-rge | ok, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:01.44 | tarzeau | capiira: which? |
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| 00:01.47 | capiira | maya |
| 00:01.49 | Silent_Chaos`5D | some suggestions of changing to ext2 then using resize2fs |
| 00:02.03 | Silent_Chaos`5D | is there a way to just resize without changing format? |
| 00:02.07 | bokey | #debian-games is dead |
| 00:02.16 | tarzeau | bokey: which irc server? |
| 00:02.26 | bokey | irc.oftc.net |
| 00:02.49 | mc__ | Silent_Chaos`5D: http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/resizing-ext3-partitions-with-parted |
| 00:02.54 | tarzeau | bokey: that's right, just wait |
| 00:02.57 | Silent_Chaos`5D | thanks |
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| 00:03.51 | mc__ | Silent_Chaos`5D: you're welcome |
| 00:04.24 | Silent_Chaos`5D | that looks like a lot of time and effort, there are no easier tools? |
| 00:04.44 | Silent_Chaos`5D | no one, in the history of linux, has come across this problem and found a simpler solution? |
| 00:05.19 | geo-rge | Silent_Chaos`5D: ask everyone in the history of linux |
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| 00:05.35 | mc__ | Silent_Chaos`5D: if you are not willing to learn buy Microsoft Windows please and dont bug us |
| 00:05.53 | NaufraGo | is it possible use a fat32 pendrive in debian? |
| 00:06.13 | Silent_Chaos`5D | I'm on windoze, but it cant match linux as a server |
| 00:06.23 | geo-rge | Silent_Chaos`5D: linux does require that you put time and effort into your technical knowledge |
| 00:06.29 | mc__ | NaufraGo: of course |
| 00:06.31 | NaufraGo | I connect my pendrive to usb port, but there nothing happens. can anybody help me? |
| 00:06.58 | geo-rge | Hey, what a coincidence... once, I tried to think... but nothing happened@ |
| 00:07.11 | NaufraGo | ... |
| 00:07.33 | geo-rge | look in your logs, watch them while you connect and disconnect the drive |
| 00:08.15 | geo-rge | this will give clues as to what is happening and why |
| 00:08.41 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 00:09.09 | geo-rge | Silent_Chaos`5D: linux especially requires this if you're doing any form of server provision and administration |
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| 00:10.27 | dreamer | hi |
| 00:10.36 | mc__ | dreamer: good morning |
| 00:10.49 | dreamer | I'm trying to set op ssl for my server, but I'm not sure where to change the port to listen to from 80 to 443 |
| 00:10.54 | dreamer | morning ? |
| 00:11.16 | dreamer | it's 1 AM here :P |
| 00:11.17 | mc__ | dreamer: it's 3:02 am here |
| 00:11.26 | dreamer | ok hehe |
| 00:11.31 | geo-rge | dreamer: that's morning... early morning :) |
| 00:11.33 | dreamer | hmm, eastern country .. |
| 00:11.35 | czrtek | 2 am here I think |
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| 00:11.55 | dreamer | so, anybody can help? |
| 00:12.04 | czrtek | which would be the mailing list to suggest new features to apt/dpkg and localepurge? |
| 00:12.22 | dreamer | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/apacheinstall.htm << stuck at changing the listen-port |
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| 00:13.34 | Muffin | Hey...anyone have experience with equivs? It doesn't seem to be working for me: I set the version to 0.9.8d-1 but all the programs that require >= 0.9.8c-1 or b-1 are unmet. |
| 00:13.41 | Trev2 | Is it possible to create a 500 GB FAT32 partition with mkdosfs/mkvfatfs? |
| 00:14.00 | Muffin | dreamer: Apache 1 or 2? |
| 00:14.32 | dreamer | 2 |
| 00:14.47 | mc__ | dreamer: whats exactly your problem? |
| 00:15.03 | geo-rge | Trev2: how large is the max fat32 you can get? (see manual for that; question is actually off topic here) |
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| 00:15.16 | dreamer | I don't see anything with listen port in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ssl |
| 00:15.46 | mc__ | dreamer: did you have a look at /etc/apache2/sites-available/default? |
| 00:15.58 | mc__ | dreamer: maybe that would make the syntax more clear to you |
| 00:16.22 | dreamer | I'll have a look |
| 00:16.39 | Muffin | dreamer: If you want it to run on 443, the default, you don't need to specify that. |
| 00:16.40 | dreamer | er, that's the same |
| 00:16.51 | Muffin | Just add "Listen 443" to ports.conf |
| 00:16.59 | bokey | we need cube 2. it's so cool game. :-( http://sauerbraten.org/screenshots.html |
| 00:17.07 | dreamer | Muffin: ok, why does it say so on the site? |
| 00:17.10 | Muffin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:17.46 | dreamer | Muffin: where is ports.conf? in /etc/apache2/? |
| 00:17.50 | Trev2 | geo-rge: The manual doesn't seem to cover it. The theoretical max is 8 TiB. I'm trying to make a USB drive Windows and Debian-friendly. |
| 00:17.53 | Muffin | It doesn't. |
| 00:18.11 | Muffin | dreamer: It says to edit ports.conf to listen in 443, and then to change the 80 to 443 in sites-available/yoursitehere |
| 00:18.32 | Muffin | But you don't need to edit those. |
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| 00:19.08 | Muffin | I don't know why it wants you to change .../sites-available/ssl to 443. Unless there's an 80 there, but I don't keep listen directives in my sites-available folders. |
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| 00:19.36 | geo-rge | Trev2: hmm, seems you should be able to do that... I thought the limit was 20g |
| 00:19.40 | Muffin | There're NameVirtualHost directives, though, if you're using that, for *:443. |
| 00:20.20 | abrotman | mkfs.vfat |
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| 00:20.29 | This | hello all |
| 00:20.29 | abrotman | and i have a 120GB vfat drive in my closet |
| 00:20.32 | dreamer | Muffin: hmm |
| 00:20.47 | dreamer | so I don't need to edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 00:20.51 | Trev2 | geo-rge: Windows 2K/XP limit to 32 GiB to encourage the use of NTFS. The limit might be 128ish GiB, though, but I can't find that for sure. |
| 00:20.55 | This | anyone know much about compiling wine? ive read the docs and the wiki and can not find this error anyplace |
| 00:21.08 | Trev2 | abrotman: Do you know if the max size is around 120-127 GiB? |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | i bet #winehq does |
| 00:21.12 | czrtek | Trev2, using max cluster size the limit is 8 TiB |
| 00:21.13 | Muffin | Yes, you need to add "Listen: 443" to /etc/apache2/ports.conf. |
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| 00:21.19 | Muffin | But it's probably already there. |
| 00:21.33 | This | ah abrotman i looked in the wrong chan (#wine) ty ty |
| 00:21.34 | abrotman | Trev2: there are two sets of limits .. there is the limits from windows .. and the limits of the FS |
| 00:21.35 | czrtek | don't know about the linux tools though. never need such large fats for anything |
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| 00:21.58 | Trev2 | czrtek: Should I pass an implicit cluster size to mkfs.vfat? |
| 00:22.11 | Muffin | Sorry, I was looking at my (working) apache2 ssl install, and had missed something...you then need to create a sites-available for your SSL site. |
| 00:22.28 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAT32 |
| 00:22.54 | Muffin | So there's probably something like 000-yoursite.com in /etc/apache2/sites-available/, and you should just copy that and name it 001-SSL-yoursite.com, then edit that, and change the 80 to 443. |
| 00:22.54 | czrtek | Trev2, I wouldn't know. you might try to use the max. as said, I never use such large fats for anything. seems silly (to me) |
| 00:22.56 | Trev2 | abrotman: I've been there. What exactly do you think I should look at? |
| 00:22.56 | abrotman | which is why using FAT32 to store DVD isos is a no-no |
| 00:23.04 | abrotman | Trev2: the fat32 info ? |
| 00:23.33 | czrtek | single file limit is no the issue here |
| 00:23.46 | abrotman | Trev2: mkfs.vfat should be fine with 120GB or more |
| 00:23.51 | Trev2 | abrotman: I see the size limits, but I was hoping for help on using mkfs. I've used it to format a partition without errors, Debian and Gentoo can read it, but Windows XP freezes! |
| 00:24.10 | czrtek | Trev2, windows xp has been crippled wrt fat support |
| 00:24.18 | abrotman | Trev2: hrm .. i don't know that i've ever tried to use mine in windows |
| 00:24.38 | geo-rge | Trev2: leave it to microsoft to fail to be able to see its own formatting... |
| 00:25.54 | Trev2 | abrotman, czrtek, geo-rge, thanks all for the help. It looks like Windows just may be dumb on larger FAT32 partitions. |
| 00:26.16 | czrtek | "report a bug to microsoft about it" |
| 00:26.41 | geo-rge | or report the bug at a microsoft shareholder meeting |
| 00:27.09 | geo-rge | hopefully one with Bill present |
| 00:27.26 | czrtek | that's even more waste of time :-) |
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| 00:28.12 | czrtek | I remember still when back in 98 I was involved in a project where we were developing sw on top of ms-stuff. used to report a bug or two once a week to them |
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| 00:28.42 | czrtek | although took me two months to locate a person inside ms who would accept the bug reports first |
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| 00:28.58 | czrtek | since they wanted me to make a support contract with some local support centre first |
| 00:29.02 | czrtek | which was pretty ironic :-) |
| 00:29.22 | pollywog | I am having mismatch problems with nvidia after upgrading testing |
| 00:30.11 | pollywog | anyone else having nvidia problems over the past several days? |
| 00:30.22 | geo-rge | czrtek: then you tell them "ok, you'll find my bug reports on http://what/ever.html, and we've also published this url to the FTC and every one of your shareholders" |
| 00:30.43 | pollywog | this is with 2.6.18 kernel |
| 00:30.44 | mc__ | bokey: omg those water-effects are world-class |
| 00:30.49 | czrtek | geo-rge, I actually wanted the bugs to be fixed back then :-) |
| 00:31.06 | czrtek | geo-rge, not to worry, the enthusiasm died soon down since they didn't want to fix anything |
| 00:31.13 | czrtek | so I just kept on collecting the list |
| 00:31.27 | czrtek | some really interesting stuff on that list btw |
| 00:31.41 | geo-rge | send the bug list to every government in the world |
| 00:31.46 | czrtek | will have to do a crosscheck on vista once we get a unlocked version of it at work |
| 00:31.51 | bokey | mc__, hehehe.. yeah it is. :) |
| 00:32.02 | czrtek | geo-rge, why would they care? |
| 00:32.20 | czrtek | besides, I'd just get sued for violating DCMA |
| 00:32.43 | czrtek | and be arrested when I travel to the US. not a lot of fun being kept without a trial, bigmacs or no bigmacs. |
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| 00:34.45 | czrtek | btw, does anyone know the specifics how gpg signatures are added to debs? |
| 00:34.52 | czrtek | (ie, where inside the ar-file do they live?) |
| 00:35.34 | NoGoo | Anyone who knows how to solve the problem that the installer does find .iso files during a hd/grub installation? |
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| 00:37.56 | DerJamster | !webmin |
| 00:37.56 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 00:39.03 | mc__ | is there a more secure alternative to webmin? |
| 00:39.04 | asg | czrtek: the developer reference at www.debian.org should tell you |
| 00:39.19 | abrotman | yay |
| 00:39.21 | asg | mc__: webmin over SSL |
| 00:39.32 | abrotman | vi over ssh! |
| 00:39.34 | asg | mc__: or better yet, webmin via an ssh tunnel |
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| 00:39.46 | czrtek | asg, well, I was looking something more specific than the general ml:s |
| 00:39.54 | mc__ | asg: ok,thanks |
| 00:40.00 | czrtek | but I guess I'll have to wait with that project anyway, thanks anyway |
| 00:40.10 | asg | czrtek: the developer reference is a comprehensive guide that covers such things |
| 00:40.35 | czrtek | asg, it's not that comprehensive and somewhat outdated too :-) |
| 00:40.41 | asg | abrotman: are you in Denver yet or still in philly? |
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| 00:40.49 | czrtek | but granted, much more comprehensive than in many other projects |
| 00:40.51 | asg | czrtek: then send patches and file bugs. |
| 00:40.53 | abrotman | asg: philly |
| 00:41.05 | asg | abrotman: thought you were outbound today? what happened? |
| 00:41.31 | Muffin | Denver airport madness? |
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| 00:41.46 | czrtek | asg, I'm not complaining |
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| 00:43.34 | abrotman | asg: i decided against it since i'd be returning tomorrow :) |
| 00:43.43 | asg | abrotman: ah, good choice. |
| 00:43.52 | asg | abrotman: your eagles are doing rather well tonight |
| 00:45.21 | abrotman | asg: i'm sure dan2 is excited |
| 00:45.27 | asg | hehe |
| 00:46.44 | Muffin | Is there some command I need to run to tell apt to update its dependency structure? I just installed a package that (should) fix dependency problems, but it doesn't seem to have. |
| 00:46.56 | asg | Muffin: apt-get update |
| 00:46.59 | abrotman | apt-get update |
| 00:47.06 | Muffin | Oh. |
| 00:47.08 | Muffin | How obvious. |
| 00:47.25 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:47.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 00:49.28 | daeos | abrotman: you ever messed with c# ? nobody is replying in #mono or ##csharp |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 00:49.52 | Trev2 | daeos: What are you trying to do? |
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| 00:50.13 | mc__ | daeos: why do you do c#? Java is free now...while .NET isnt,and mono is incomplete... |
| 00:50.28 | abrotman | mc__: C# is |
| 00:50.44 | daeos | Trev2: when i use Console.WriteLine("foo", x); x won't output, only what i have in " " but ifi use just (x); x will show up |
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| 00:51.07 | czrtek | daeos, add \n to the output? |
| 00:51.09 | mc__ | abrotman: but good support is only avaible for windows |
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| 00:51.13 | Trev2 | Use + |
| 00:51.17 | abrotman | mc__: not really .. mono works pretty well |
| 00:51.18 | daeos | im doing console |
| 00:51.24 | Trev2 | daeos: Try Console.WriteLine("foo" + x); |
| 00:51.30 | daeos | i have |
| 00:51.34 | daeos | same thing |
| 00:51.36 | Trev2 | daeos: Or Console.WriteLine("foo {1}", x); |
| 00:51.41 | mc__ | abrotman: but 3.0 is out there and it does not yet implement 2.0 fully. |
| 00:51.52 | mc__ | abrotman: what advantages does it have to java |
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| 00:52.32 | abrotman | mc__: you're confusing version numbers .. mono version numbers don't equate to .NET CLR numbers |
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| 00:52.56 | abrotman | mc__: have you ever actually tried to use .NET ? |
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| 00:53.07 | mc__ | abrotman: i know. but it is still true that mono does not implement 2.0 fully |
| 00:53.18 | abrotman | so what ? |
| 00:53.24 | abrotman | Java isn't fully open source |
| 00:53.30 | blackelf | why use C# while there is C++ |
| 00:53.38 | mc__ | abrotman: good point |
| 00:53.40 | abrotman | blackelf: shut up |
| 00:53.41 | blackelf | abrotman: how come |
| 00:53.59 | mc__ | c++ is still great,especially with the boost libraries |
| 00:54.04 | blackelf | abrotman: why the f should I (and prev queston was to prev statement) |
| 00:54.06 | czrtek | why not use bf! |
| 00:54.10 | czrtek | bf is the bestests!! |
| 00:54.20 | abrotman | mc__: java is one language .. .NET allows you to write in many .. all running on the CLR .. on whatever platform the CLR runs on |
| 00:54.21 | blackelf | czrtek: bf is uncomfortable and unscallable |
| 00:54.45 | mc__ | abrotman: you can write in over 20 different languages for the Java Runtime |
| 00:54.49 | abrotman | blackelf: because noone was asking you .. |
| 00:54.51 | daeos | Trev2: it works when i use {0} but not {1} , whats the point of that? |
| 00:55.08 | czrtek | blackelf, it was a joke :-) I've been programming for living for more than 15 years which normally means that I don't want to get into language wars :-). languages come and go. |
| 00:55.14 | daeos | blackelf: if i wanted to use the MS XNA, c# is used, not C++ |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | mc__: that's the java runtime |
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| 00:55.25 | abrotman | mc__: mono is the .NET CLR .. C# is one of those languages |
| 00:55.28 | blackelf | abrotman: oh noes, too bad we are in army obviously, where one do not speak until spoken to, its not like we are on IRC |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | blackelf: please die :) |
| 00:55.56 | mc__ | blackelf: and Java is a language with runs on the Java Platform,but other languages do as well |
| 00:55.57 | blackelf | abrotman: dust plz |
| 00:56.07 | mc__ | abrotman: for instance ruby,groovy,scheme... |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | mc__: i'm not saying one is better than the other .. just that you use what you know .. |
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| 00:56.30 | abrotman | mc__: and at this point .. Java still isn't open source |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | logo? |
| 00:56.51 | mc__ | abrotman: funny language ;) |
| 00:56.53 | Trev2 | Mindstorm? |
| 00:56.54 | czrtek | ah, logo brings some memories :-) |
| 00:56.56 | blackelf | C# is microsoft version of Java. Java is Sun's version of C++, aimed at idiots |
| 00:56.59 | daeos | abrotman: sorry if my questions have led to a war |
| 00:57.12 | abrotman | blackelf: you really don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 00:57.16 | abrotman | daeos: not a problem |
| 00:57.18 | eggleston | i've just plugged in a new webcam, how can i test it by recording some footage? |
| 00:57.27 | blackelf | abrotman: its not only my opinion, it was actually a quote :) |
| 00:57.27 | mc__ | abrotman: his partly right |
| 00:57.28 | Trev2 | blackelf: While I somewhat agree, Java and C# are much more object oriented. |
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| 00:57.41 | abrotman | blackelf: doesn't make it right |
| 00:57.49 | blackelf | Java is just C++ with the advanced parts (multi inherit, real templates) removed |
| 00:57.49 | mc__ | Trev2: well,c++ is multi paradigm java and c |
| 00:57.54 | mc__ | and c# are not |
| 00:58.29 | blackelf | oh, and with the virtual machine (omg!). C++ have virtual machines as well if someone REALLY needes them. |
| 00:58.41 | mc__ | abrotman: im not sure,but i think the OS implemenations of java are than mono |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | better ? |
| 00:58.56 | mc__ | abrotman: more complete |
| 00:59.03 | blackelf | mc__: good summ up |
| 00:59.06 | abrotman | mc__: i meant you missed a word in your statement :) |
| 00:59.07 | Trev2 | daeos: Correction: Try something like: Console.WriteLine("Foo {0}", x); |
| 00:59.11 | Trev2 | (Silly zero-indexing.) |
| 00:59.14 | abrotman | mc__: have you looked at f-spot ? |
| 00:59.23 | Muffin | ...when apt-get update gives me "bad signature" errors, it still commits the newly-downloaded lists, right? Those are just warnings, not errors? |
| 00:59.24 | mc__ | blackelf: c++ virtual machines? |
| 00:59.31 | blackelf | mc__: llvm project |
| 00:59.32 | mc__ | abrotman: oh yes,sorry |
| 00:59.37 | abrotman | mc__: you have ? |
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| 00:59.43 | czrtek | blackelf, llvm is hardly a C++ vm |
| 00:59.53 | mc__ | abrotman: yes i have missed the word :) |
| 00:59.59 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 01:00.03 | czrtek | sure you can build one using llvm, but still |
| 01:00.08 | jelly-home | I'm getting segfaults with apt-get, apt-cache and aptitude ... are there known problems with recent versions in etch? |
| 01:00.13 | blackelf | well the results are same arent they? compile c++ into bytecode, then run on any platform supported by virtual machine |
| 01:00.17 | czrtek | you could build one in C as well, and that doesn't make C a vm for c++ |
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| 01:00.25 | itchi | jelly-home: Clean the cache |
| 01:00.31 | mc__ | abrotman: guys, it's too late for an religious war |
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| 01:00.39 | jelly-home | itchi: Can I take that as a yes? |
| 01:00.40 | czrtek | blackelf, or you could use bosch to execute x86 binary code on any archs :-) |
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| 01:00.46 | czrtek | bochs even |
| 01:00.47 | abrotman | mc__: ? i was just asking if you'd looked at f-spot :) |
| 01:00.54 | asg | mc__: it's only too late for a religious war when the atheists have won |
| 01:00.57 | mc__ | abrotman: i didnt want to highlight you,sorry |
| 01:01.01 | blackelf | czrtek: yes, instead using java, its my point :) |
| 01:01.03 | itchi | jelly-home: I have heard that the cache system is a bit sensible |
| 01:01.16 | itchi | jelly-home: Just tryout and see :-) |
| 01:01.22 | daeos | Trev2: ##csharp finally told me that you have to convert anything other than a string to a string when outputting it with a string |
| 01:01.32 | jelly-home | itchi: I'd rather find the bug. |
| 01:01.32 | mc__ | abrotman: yeah f-spot is great,but digikam is better. |
| 01:01.34 | czrtek | blackelf, there are also processors executing native java bytecode. what does that mean then? :-) |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | mc__: each language has an advantage .. some would tell you that oyu're crazy and you should use python instead of java/c# |
| 01:01.50 | Trev2 | daeos: But you weren't getting errors before? |
| 01:01.50 | itchi | jelly-home: apt-get clean; just try to see |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | mc__: they don't really do the same thing |
| 01:01.57 | blackelf | czrtek: one might build proecessor executing native llvm bytecode as well, no? |
| 01:01.59 | daeos | no errors at all |
| 01:02.04 | abrotman | i mean .. i guess you could make it do that .. but oh well |
| 01:02.06 | mc__ | abrotman: but java/c# do the same thing |
| 01:02.06 | daeos | or warnings |
| 01:02.12 | abrotman | mc__: so does python |
| 01:02.20 | mc__ | i also use ruby,and i love it |
| 01:02.28 | czrtek | abrotman, I think the advantage of C++ is all the funny ABI problems and the fact that you never know what the library architect meant when he overrode those nice index and other operators ;-) |
| 01:02.30 | mc__ | java/c# and python are quite different i think |
| 01:02.35 | mc__ | more general purpose |
| 01:02.44 | eggleston | does anyone know how to connect and configure a webcam for use with gnomemeeting? |
| 01:02.48 | czrtek | blackelf, I'm not sure. I think I remember that llvm had infinite register set |
| 01:02.49 | abrotman | czrtek: other languages have tha tproblem |
| 01:02.59 | blackelf | AllOf3mp.com was just sued by RIAA... |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | mc__: they can be made to do the same thing |
| 01:03.04 | asg | so |
| 01:03.07 | blackelf | ...for 1.6 trillion usd |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | blackelf: three days ago ? |
| 01:03.25 | czrtek | abrotman, sure, but C++ is the only one which I have to re-learn every time when I try to fix bugs on C++ code |
| 01:03.48 | jelly-home | itchi: no cigar |
| 01:03.50 | abrotman | czrtek: you need to broaden your language skills .. it's not the only one |
| 01:04.09 | czrtek | abrotman, any suggestions? please be creative |
| 01:04.19 | asg | czrtek: nothing wrong with 'C' |
| 01:04.20 | mc__ | already,lets summ up. All languages suck in one way,only CommonLisp is great :) |
| 01:04.21 | amphi | czrtek: INTERCAL |
| 01:04.21 | enouf | Trevie: ever resolve your fat32 issues? |
| 01:04.33 | abrotman | compiled languages? |
| 01:04.33 | czrtek | amphi, what is it? :-) |
| 01:04.41 | jelly-home | brainfuck! |
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| 01:04.48 | czrtek | bf was already mentioned (by me) |
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| 01:04.54 | jelly-home | f*k |
| 01:04.54 | eggleston | does anyone know anything about the compatiblity of webcams with linux (specifically debian) |
| 01:04.56 | czrtek | INTERCAL I've never seen :-) |
| 01:04.59 | abrotman | czrtek: any API can change ..any day .. java c# C++ C .. python .. anything |
| 01:05.04 | itchi | jelly-home: You did apt-get update i guess?? |
| 01:05.19 | jelly-home | itchi: after apt-get clean, yes. |
| 01:05.28 | czrtek | asg, I didn't say that anything was wrong with C. C++ doesn't really suit me (that's a problem in me, for sure, but it's the only language I have to re-learn each time I use it) |
| 01:05.31 | amphi | czrtek: it's one of the few languages I'm aware of with tritwise operators; http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal/intercal.txt |
| 01:05.34 | czrtek | abrotman, ABI. not API. |
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| 01:05.41 | jelly-home | itchi: it segafaults after downloading the lists |
| 01:05.53 | geo-rge | czrtek: one deciding factor on whether an api OR abi can change, is the author's intent |
| 01:05.57 | asg | czrtek: fair enough |
| 01:05.58 | abrotman | czrtek: ABIs change for other languages too |
| 01:05.58 | itchi | jelly-home: Look on the bts |
| 01:06.01 | enouf | jelly-home: try diff mirrors |
| 01:06.02 | amphi | czrtek: the 'interleave' binary operator is also not without interest |
| 01:06.05 | Trevie | enouf: I've given up. FAT32 has a 4 GiB file size limit, anyway. |
| 01:06.17 | czrtek | geo-rge, unless you have a binary language which is directed by a language committee on steroids (C++) |
| 01:06.25 | enouf | Trevie: Yes it does .. and it;'s 2GB for Legacy OS sych as win9x/Me |
| 01:06.26 | Trevie | enouf: Strangely, a friend told me with the same Windows (XP Pro SP2) he formatted a 300 GiB USB HDD this morning. |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | enouf: take my garbage out ... |
| 01:06.30 | czrtek | amphi, I'll put it on the list :-) thanks |
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| 01:06.49 | enouf | Trevie: the Volume theoretical is 2TB |
| 01:07.11 | geo-rge | czrtek: how did it get that way if it weren't for the language author? |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | it's 8 |
| 01:07.13 | amphi | czrtek: you might be somewhat entertained by the manual; if you actually want to try it, IIRC an intercal->c compiler has been perpetrated |
| 01:07.28 | abrotman | amphi: you're a dirty old man! |
| 01:07.32 | czrtek | amphi, when was it developed? |
| 01:07.34 | enouf | Trevie: WinXPoop has a 32GB limit partition making thingy ..no such issue for win98 newer fdsik .. BUT .. why bothe .. use ext2/3 betweeen the OSes http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=share+ext2+File+system+linux+windows&btnG=Google+Search |
| 01:07.40 | eduhat | howdy guys |
| 01:07.47 | jelly-home | enouf: I don't want different mirrors, it shouldn't segfault even if my mirror is completely borked |
| 01:07.53 | snowbird | isnt ther.deb filer comand |
| 01:07.54 | enouf | Trevie: the other limitation is 48bitLBA issue .. which is Windoofs only IIRC |
| 01:08.02 | snowbird | i forgot it |
| 01:08.03 | Trevie | enouf: A friend suggested that, but this is for a friend, so I'm not sure I wanna ask her to install a driver on all her PCs. |
| 01:08.07 | abrotman | snowbird: huh ? |
| 01:08.09 | abrotman | a what? |
| 01:08.13 | enouf | Trevie: that's the 127GiB limit |
| 01:08.23 | czrtek | has anyone used cobol? |
| 01:08.23 | abrotman | snowbird: apt-file ? |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | czrtek: i have |
| 01:08.31 | abrotman | and RPG |
| 01:08.32 | czrtek | it was a funny language |
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| 01:08.39 | abrotman | czrtek: it still *is* |
| 01:08.42 | czrtek | never used RPG myself. saw it though |
| 01:08.48 | snowbird | yeah abortman its like rpm for deb or zipped |
| 01:08.50 | czrtek | "was" in my case. I don't use it anymore |
| 01:09.01 | czrtek | wrote a cobol 2 java source level translation system way back |
| 01:09.05 | czrtek | when java was still interesting |
| 01:09.06 | abrotman | snowbird: ask in english .. i have no idea what you're lookign for |
| 01:09.09 | enouf | jelly-home: All i can say I sometimes run into issues too .. All i do is comment out some mirrors and uncomment others in sources.lsit ..issues go away |
| 01:09.38 | czrtek | amphi, found a site about intercal. thanks for the hint :-) |
| 01:09.40 | amphi | czrtek: less frivolously, you might find limbo of interest, http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/papers/descent.html & http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/papers/limbo.html |
| 01:09.41 | snowbird | i want to open zipped file there used to be comad i forgot not apt-get |
| 01:09.41 | enouf | jelly-home: woder if it's an apt-key/debian-archive-keyring issue |
| 01:09.50 | asg | snowbird: apt-get install zip unzip |
| 01:09.53 | asg | snowbird: man unzip |
| 01:09.58 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:10.00 | czrtek | limbo as in the distributed inferno limbo? |
| 01:10.00 | Trevie | apt: start a holy war |
| 01:10.02 | apt | pico is the most braindead editor ever |
| 01:10.02 | snowbird | ty |
| 01:10.07 | amphi | czrtek: yeah |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | !be an unzip barbie |
| 01:10.23 | dpkg | editing config files by hand is so HARD! |
| 01:10.31 | aidan | Yesterday I grabbed the mysql/php5 packages from backports.org, then pecl install pdo'd. Now it's segfaulting - what should I do? I've tried to uninstall/reinstall. Should I give up on apt and compile it myself? |
| 01:10.31 | czrtek | did some comparative research on distr algorithims in amoeba/inferno ages ago. never really looked at limbo properly though |
| 01:10.51 | blondie | barbie likes it hard |
| 01:10.55 | enouf | Trevie: using ext2/3 would be best for less future hassle and support for your friend :-) it's only a driver you install .. nothing new for windoofs |
| 01:11.07 | Trevie | enouf: Is IFS stable? |
| 01:11.12 | czrtek | haha. "Expressions that look like line noise. Control constructs that will make you gasp, make you laugh, and possibly make you hurl. Data structures? We don't need no steenking data structures!" |
| 01:11.15 | enouf | Trevie: especially for larger Video files and such |
| 01:11.21 | czrtek | actually INTERCAL sounds like perl |
| 01:11.32 | Trevie | enouf: Maybe I should make a tiny NTFS partition with IFS, even. |
| 01:11.43 | enouf | Trevie: AFAIK .. it is .. never had to use it .. google some more. .. ask in diff channels .. both win and linux |
| 01:11.56 | amphi | czrtek: perl doesn't have pleasing constructs like 'PLEASE ABSTAIN' or 'COME FROM'... |
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| 01:12.11 | enouf | Trevie: an idea .. though aving your friens create all these small partitions ,might be an issue |
| 01:12.18 | enouf | since installing a driver was |
| 01:12.38 | czrtek | amphi, I'm sure it has. seems to have so many magical hidden things that I wouldn't be suprised that there would be some %${FROM}(_COME)-construct |
| 01:12.47 | amphi | heh |
| 01:13.12 | czrtek | although you'd have to implement it using regular exrepssions operating on the perl parse tree |
| 01:13.47 | snowbird | any one got proper sorce list to add on source? |
| 01:13.56 | amphi | czrtek: I found this quite a gratifying bit of perl, http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/qrpff.pl |
| 01:14.00 | asg | snowbird: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 01:14.18 | snowbird | like a google list |
| 01:14.29 | asg | ? |
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| 01:14.33 | Muffin | Or perhaps there's a way to cause apt-get update to ignore signatures altogether? I think my apt-secure business is totally messed up, and I'd rather just go unauthenticated at this point. |
| 01:14.33 | snowbird | to add sorces |
| 01:14.34 | czrtek | amphi, ah, I actually once thought doing the RC4-in-perl tattoo (when crypto was still illegal to export) |
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| 01:14.44 | asg | snowbird: sources for what? |
| 01:14.45 | amphi | ;) |
| 01:14.51 | czrtek | and that was _before_ the matrix. so it would have been cool. back then. |
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| 01:14.56 | snowbird | for symaptic |
| 01:14.57 | czrtek | obviously I've since grown a bit |
| 01:15.03 | norc | any good fxp application that supports ssl? |
| 01:15.06 | asg | snowbird: apt-get install synaptic |
| 01:15.20 | snowbird | i need more packages |
| 01:15.33 | czrtek | personally I just go to the IOCCC site when I feel very lyrical |
| 01:15.36 | Trevie | enouf: It looks like the driver doesn't offer write support. |
| 01:15.50 | asg | snowbird: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and the error you are getting in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 01:15.51 | czrtek | pretty sick stuff there, beautiful and sick at the same time |
| 01:15.57 | asg | I'll get a beer and a smoke |
| 01:16.13 | snowbird | error 99 |
| 01:16.18 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 01:16.31 | snowbird | looks like my orginal sorce list is kuput or curupt |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | snowbird: what's your native language ? |
| 01:16.43 | snowbird | english |
| 01:16.46 | abrotman | you lie |
| 01:16.46 | czrtek | hmm. I should probably prepare some alcohol as well. INTERCAL looks interesting |
| 01:17.17 | abrotman | hhee |
| 01:17.19 | czrtek | abrotman, curupt is short for "see you when you erupt" :-) |
| 01:17.19 | Trevie | enouf: Strike tat. Ext2IFS does. |
| 01:17.24 | abrotman | czrtek: what .. no Ada ? |
| 01:17.27 | snowbird | hmm lie? |
| 01:17.31 | enouf | heh |
| 01:17.36 | jelly-home | czrtek: Prolog is also nice if you're looking for something a tad more useful |
| 01:17.36 | czrtek | abrotman, ada is ok. ada I can read |
| 01:17.46 | czrtek | and I've actually used prolog |
| 01:17.50 | abrotman | eww |
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| 01:17.57 | abrotman | !tell Jan0- about root |
| 01:17.58 | czrtek | I was looking something more imaginative |
| 01:18.06 | abrotman | try java .. that's just messed up |
| 01:18.07 | czrtek | and amphi filled that bill quite nicely :-) |
| 01:18.17 | abrotman | eiffel ? haskell ? |
| 01:18.18 | czrtek | I've done java for money too |
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| 01:18.30 | geo-rge | try tcl |
| 01:18.32 | czrtek | only read some eiffel. did some stuff in haskell |
| 01:18.40 | czrtek | gah. tcl is horrid :-) |
| 01:18.42 | abrotman | !tell Jan0 about root |
| 01:18.47 | abrotman | czrtek: try replang |
| 01:18.52 | geo-rge | not if you look at it closely |
| 01:18.56 | czrtek | abrotman, why? |
| 01:19.12 | abrotman | czrtek: have you heard of it ? |
| 01:19.15 | jelly-home | What's re-plang? |
| 01:19.16 | czrtek | geo-rge, I have a big screen and am not yet blind. how close should I stare at it? :-) |
| 01:19.24 | czrtek | abrotman, re-iteration of erlang? |
| 01:19.31 | abrotman | hehehe |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | czrtek: http://resiak.dyndns.org/wiki/?Amusement/Replang |
| 01:19.39 | blondie | !engrish |
| 01:19.40 | dpkg | it has been said that engrish is at http://www.engrish.com |
| 01:20.08 | abrotman | jelly-home: see the link |
| 01:20.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: I see |
| 01:20.29 | geo-rge | look at the internals... look at how you can create new language structures -without- going too far under the hood (example, foreach-like things customized to database rows) |
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| 01:20.38 | czrtek | abrotman, err, that's a real language? :-) |
| 01:20.44 | abrotman | czrtek: one i use .. yes :) |
| 01:20.50 | geo-rge | it's a real domain name... |
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| 01:21.00 | asg | czrtek: we are still amazed that abrotman is a real human |
| 01:21.04 | jankonto | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 01:21.06 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
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| 01:21.15 | abrotman | jankonto: much better .. thanks :) |
| 01:21.22 | czrtek | geo-rge, but I don't really care about language implementation as long as it is either powerful or allows me to express my ideas explicitly |
| 01:21.35 | geo-rge | czrtek: which tcl does |
| 01:21.37 | czrtek | python/C combined fill these needs (with asm filling the performance stuff sometimes) |
| 01:21.50 | czrtek | well, tcl list implementation blows on memory usage |
| 01:21.52 | geo-rge | it's not either one or the other too, it's both |
| 01:21.52 | mc__ | czrtek: have you tried ruby? |
| 01:21.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: looks more like a preprocessor than an actual language that one |
| 01:22.00 | czrtek | at least it did when I did some test runs with it |
| 01:22.02 | eilker | hi, why is debian-server non-gui ? and why are servers mostly non-gui? |
| 01:22.08 | abrotman | jelly: RPN stack-based scripting language .. it's horrid |
| 01:22.16 | asg | eilker: because servers don't need gui's |
| 01:22.20 | mc__ | eilker: cause servers dont need guis |
| 01:22.26 | jankonto | but...Can anybody help ? I want to upgrade KDE3.3 to KDE3.5.5.. any tip? |
| 01:22.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: I mean I know people have written tetris in Sendmail, but hey. |
| 01:22.31 | abrotman | eilker: less things to cause problems |
| 01:22.32 | czrtek | geo-rge, by explicitly I meant that I could use it to write binary structure parsers (efficient ones) |
| 01:22.36 | abrotman | jelly-home: you mean in m4 |
| 01:22.38 | asg | jankonto: #debian-kde might know |
| 01:22.45 | geo-rge | eilker: guis are very resourse hungry |
| 01:22.53 | eilker | friends any security issue too ? |
| 01:22.53 | enouf | Trevie: the other issue with larger fat32 volumes is you run into the orig fat16 issues ..slack space .. since 32 or 64KB(?) is the largest you can use .. once you get over a few hundred gigs .. you start really losing mucho space |
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| 01:22.56 | czrtek | mc__, I've read enough ruby to know that it doesn't really offer anything new for me |
| 01:23.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: er, no, in that other $<4 thing |
| 01:23.11 | abrotman | that's m4 |
| 01:23.16 | geo-rge | eilker: probably |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | !m4 |
| 01:23.16 | dpkg | [m4] a macro language on which autoconf is based |
| 01:23.18 | jelly-home | o rly |
| 01:23.19 | Trevie | enouf: I was willing to take that loss. |
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| 01:23.23 | abrotman | i think .. |
| 01:23.27 | czrtek | aww, m4 is nice ;-) |
| 01:23.27 | mc__ | czrtek: dont you think it's more beautiful than python in many ways? |
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| 01:23.35 | czrtek | mc__, no? |
| 01:23.41 | enouf | Trevie: ok .. but performance slows too |
| 01:23.43 | geo-rge | yeah, m4 does a good job |
| 01:23.51 | czrtek | python has it's cracks and wear/tear, but it simple to read and powerful enough |
| 01:23.52 | mc__ | czrtek: hm,alright |
| 01:23.56 | Trevie | enouf: That I didn't know. I'm formatting ext3 as we speak. |
| 01:24.05 | czrtek | mc__, everything being relative obviously |
| 01:24.05 | enouf | Trevie: safest is to keep the HDD hanging off a Network only .. then you can use any FS you want |
| 01:24.16 | mc__ | czrtek: full ack |
| 01:24.19 | czrtek | mc__, suppose that I wouldn't know python by now, I would be willing to take ruby for a spin |
| 01:24.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybe that's not it .. |
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| 01:24.38 | geo-rge | networks are too slow for good disk performance |
| 01:24.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: I think m4 is dnlSTUFF, only used to generate the config. actual stuff in sendmail.cf is Sendmail's own, er, language |
| 01:24.46 | czrtek | it's just that it doesn't seem to contain anything that powerful/interesting that I should invest a lot of time learning/rewriting stuff in it |
| 01:24.53 | asg | czrtek: the question to ask about ruby is how easy is it to replace code with C or ASM if you need it. |
| 01:24.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: well .. the stuff i use is pretty bad |
| 01:24.59 | enouf | Trevie: cool .. anyways for future ref see http://ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm (though lacking some info I told you) and visit 48bitlba.com for windows lba issues |
| 01:25.05 | eilker | debian automaticly got the lan, even windows clients too... |
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| 01:25.23 | czrtek | asg, I write python extensions in C all the time. so for me I guess it wouldn't be an issue |
| 01:25.28 | eggleston | does anyone know if i HAVE to re-compile my kernel to install the CPIA driver?? |
| 01:25.53 | czrtek | asg, is it easy in ruby? |
| 01:25.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: eh, I've written apps for HP48. RPN is kinda nice. ;-) |
| 01:26.00 | asg | czrtek: right, python is quite a good language because of the ease of replacement/integration. Can't speak for ruby though. |
| 01:26.02 | mc__ | asg: its not harder with Ruby,ruby supports SWIG too |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | jelly-home: for somethings .. yes .. |
| 01:26.16 | geo-rge | eggleston: do you have a compiler that matches the one your running kernel was compiled with? |
| 01:26.20 | czrtek | I don't like swig |
| 01:26.27 | mc__ | asg: ruby is something like Python2.0 imho |
| 01:26.37 | czrtek | makes mindless translations for APIs which could do with proper OO class design anyway |
| 01:26.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: when you're trying to do advanced financial math .. not so much IMO |
| 01:26.42 | geo-rge | I do... swig's has a good blues session every sunday |
| 01:26.58 | czrtek | geo-rge, heh |
| 01:27.10 | asg | mc__: but python 2.5 is already here ;) |
| 01:27.18 | Trevie | enouf: Thanks for the help. I appreciate it. |
| 01:27.28 | geo-rge | ed ivey runs the session... he can be an ass sometimes, but still it's cool |
| 01:27.30 | enouf | Trevie: welcome -- note: Networking protocols don't care about FS type, though obviously access/transfer will be slower .. unless |
| 01:27.32 | mc__ | asg: well than lets called it Python-NG |
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| 01:27.36 | czrtek | asg, did you hear that they're planning to do away with the explicit functional programming functions (filter, map, lambda and all that?) |
| 01:27.44 | czrtek | not in 2.5 (obviously), but later |
| 01:27.45 | jelly-home | mc__: ruby borrows too much $from @perl... python is more readable. ;-) |
| 01:27.53 | asg | czrtek: I'd heard that, yes. |
| 01:27.54 | Trevie | enouf: This HDD is a gift for someone on the road with a laptop so she can put music and video on the HDD when she's in town. |
| 01:28.06 | czrtek | asg, made me shiver. means that I have to learn list comprehensions. damn it :-) |
| 01:28.13 | enouf | Trevie: right -o .. Happy holidays :-) |
| 01:28.14 | EdLin | jelly-home: except those underscores |
| 01:28.15 | asg | czrtek: haha |
| 01:28.20 | eggleston | geo-rge, i have NO idea. i'm reading a guide that came with the CPiA driver, and i think it's saying i need to compile it into my kernel ,but the guide is messy and i think it also says that if versions higher than 2.4 of kernel that it is already in the kernel. i just want to use my webcam that i got given :( |
| 01:28.23 | asg | jelly-home: Perl still has its place |
| 01:28.32 | jelly-home | EdLin: hush |
| 01:28.35 | czrtek | I've survived using python since 1.5.2 without ever learning list comprehensions. damn it :-0 |
| 01:29.06 | mc__ | asg: there should be alway a place for very old friends :) |
| 01:29.11 | geo-rge | if you need to compile it INTO your kernel, then you will need to build the kernel... if you need it as a module, then you -might- need to build a kernel |
| 01:29.13 | czrtek | asg, if you want to combine the worst understood features and syntax of sed, sh, grep and awk into one language, then sure :-). portable it is and pre-installed on many unices. the only things that save it really |
| 01:29.20 | Trevie | How long should the ext3 formatting of a 500 GiB USB HDD take? |
| 01:29.39 | czrtek | Trevie, depends on the USB really |
| 01:29.43 | geo-rge | Trevie: consider lvm |
| 01:29.44 | jelly-home | czrtek: are you saying that Perl is new sh? |
| 01:29.45 | czrtek | Trevie, on a USB1.1 it will take ages |
| 01:29.55 | asg | mc__: agreed. If I can't do it in sh, I try awk. If I can't do it in awk, I try Perl. If I can't do it in Perl (or do it without pain), I'll do it in Python or C. |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | Trevie: hours probably |
| 01:30.04 | mc__ | jelly-home: perl is the old new sh |
| 01:30.06 | czrtek | jelly-home, of course not. shell is beautifully elegant compared to perl ;-) |
| 01:30.12 | asg | !perlsh |
| 01:30.12 | geo-rge | if you tell it to check bad blocks, that will take awhile |
| 01:30.12 | dpkg | i heard perlsh is at http://master.debian.org/~ejb/perlsh |
| 01:30.37 | czrtek | asg, for me it's shell first, python second unless it's some low-level system stuff which I'll do in C directly |
| 01:30.47 | jelly-home | asg: that page is 404 |
| 01:31.02 | enouf | google cache |
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| 01:31.16 | mc__ | for me its Ruby fist,perl second,java third,and if all fails c++ |
| 01:31.19 | asg | czrtek: probably a wise choice. I've some historical familiarity with perl so the constructs are easier for smaller tasks. |
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| 01:31.25 | czrtek | and for a lot of scripts I've rewritten them later in python when I noticed that I need to teach them to do something more intellegently. using shell is just too pita for that |
| 01:31.27 | asg | jelly-home: :( |
| 01:31.33 | jelly-home | enouf: I prefer archive.org, thanks |
| 01:31.42 | czrtek | asg, aye. used to be for me too. learned perl way before python. never looked back much though |
| 01:31.50 | enouf | google's mirror :-P |
| 01:32.02 | czrtek | even once did a mistake of attempting to implement a large software in perl |
| 01:32.04 | asg | !no, perlsh is <reply>http://sourceforge.net/projects/psh/ |
| 01:32.04 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 01:32.12 | czrtek | biiig mistake. $mistake = "big"; |
| 01:32.23 | Trevie | czrtek, geo-rge, abrotman: Thanks, guys. |
| 01:32.38 | mc__ | czrtek: i tried to a web-app in perl...that sucked |
| 01:32.45 | czrtek | Trevie, sure. just check it's in a USB2 connector and seen through the EHCI device in linux |
| 01:32.46 | geo-rge | you mean... my $mistake = "big"; |
| 01:32.49 | czrtek | if it's UHCI, then it's 1.1 |
| 01:33.01 | czrtek | geo-rge, nah, it's a global mistake |
| 01:33.05 | jelly-home | czrtek: probably looked more like $mistake->{first}->{type} = "big"; ? |
| 01:33.08 | Trevie | czrtek: Sadly, my laptop is in the shop and the only other USB 2.0 machine currently accessible is in the room of someone who is asleep! |
| 01:33.15 | geo-rge | so it's everyone's mistake |
| 01:33.24 | czrtek | jelly-home, with unrefs and refs all the time. was quite horrid |
| 01:33.31 | Trevie | My desktop shows USB 2.0 during POST, but I can't get it to work. |
| 01:33.31 | czrtek | for single-level data-structures it is ok I guess |
| 01:33.40 | czrtek | but for anything more complex it's just pita |
| 01:33.42 | asg | czrtek: better to export $mistake into everyone else's namespace also for good measure and global chaos |
| 01:33.55 | geo-rge | Trevie: perhaps you don't have the appropriate modules loaded |
| 01:34.15 | czrtek | asg, well, it _is_ a mistake. right? :-) |
| 01:34.26 | geo-rge | I dunno, it depends |
| 01:34.32 | czrtek | even tried to extend perl using C when found out where all the time was spent |
| 01:34.39 | czrtek | that was even bigger mistake |
| 01:34.40 | asg | czrtek: though Perl does give you the option if you want it ;) |
| 01:34.51 | mc__ | Optimation is the premature root of all evil |
| 01:34.57 | Trevie | geo-rge: This is in my Windows PC that it doesn't work. I'm too busy to reboot into Linux at the moment on it. |
| 01:35.19 | czrtek | mc__, it is? when trying to figure out why simple data structures cannot fit into RAM? |
| 01:35.23 | czrtek | and the system is swapping? |
| 01:35.32 | geo-rge | Trevie: oh, well... can't help you there |
| 01:35.33 | czrtek | I beg to disagree. as I said, profiling was done first. |
| 01:35.42 | mc__ | czrtek: it is most cases. |
| 01:35.55 | asg | czrtek: data structures can be simple yet the data can be large ;) |
| 01:35.59 | jelly-home | mc__: premature root sounds like a kid pushed into the throes of IT... |
| 01:36.16 | asg | nah, premature root is what happens after an Indian Summer |
| 01:36.49 | czrtek | mc__, anything done improperly is root of all evil |
| 01:37.00 | mc__ | jelly-home: Its a quote of Björn Stroustrop |
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| 01:37.17 | mc__ | czrtek: thats right |
| 01:37.17 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 01:37.35 | bintut | !ati |
| 01:37.35 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 01:37.42 | asg | bintut: /msg the bot please |
| 01:37.49 | bintut | sorry.. |
| 01:37.59 | czrtek | jelly-home, or like premature eja.. but you're trying to "penetrate" a system and you got root access even before you launched your exploit? |
| 01:38.04 | jelly-home | mc__: you've mixed it up, I tried to make a joke about it. |
| 01:38.12 | czrtek | not that anyone would do that on systems not operated by themselves obviously |
| 01:38.35 | czrtek | asg, used python on 64-bit systems yet? |
| 01:38.49 | Trevie | geo-rge: Ah, my Shuttle PC with nForce2 has USB 2.0. |
| 01:38.49 | czrtek | I'm seeing quite heavy inflation on memory usage all the time |
| 01:38.53 | asg | czrtek: not yet, will be doing in the new year I expect. |
| 01:39.04 | czrtek | asg, ok. I see about 2.5-3 x memory usage |
| 01:39.08 | Trevie | geo-rge: In mere seconds it's caught up to where the other PC got in 20 minutes. |
| 01:39.09 | czrtek | which is not nice at all |
| 01:39.30 | czrtek | Trevie, ah cool. problem solved? |
| 01:39.35 | asg | czrtek: probably due to larger default base types I'd expect. |
| 01:39.50 | czrtek | asg, well, not only that but the main thing is the pointer size |
| 01:39.57 | geo-rge | Trevie: cool enough |
| 01:39.59 | czrtek | there are a lot of pointers in python data-structures |
| 01:40.02 | Trevie | czrtek: Mostly. I'll be using ext3 and ext2IFS in Windows. |
| 01:40.07 | asg | czrtek: as to be expected |
| 01:40.17 | czrtek | asg, well, I didn't expect 2.5 - 3 x :-) |
| 01:40.24 | czrtek | 64 = 2 * 32. right? :-) |
| 01:40.45 | czrtek | haven't tried 2.5 yet, probably will be higher even with the ssize_t unification stuff |
| 01:40.46 | geo-rge | there are a lot of pointers in any interpreted language having data which is garbage collected |
| 01:41.03 | czrtek | geo-rge, and most cars have four wheels |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | some have four doughnuts |
| 01:41.20 | geo-rge | czrtek: that's pretty much my point |
| 01:41.28 | bintut | anyone here uses fglrx driver and made direct rendering work? |
| 01:41.32 | geo-rge | mmmmmm doughnut |
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| 01:41.39 | jelly-home | Trevie: I've had fs corruption while using www.fs-driver.org driver on an ext3, but that's because I didn't rtfm. |
| 01:41.40 | czrtek | geo-rge, it's still illogical :-). I'm only human |
| 01:41.46 | abrotman | !tell bintut about fglrx |
| 01:42.10 | czrtek | ran some analysis stuff (pure python atm) on a 32-bit system with 1 GiB RAM. uses about 860 URES (at peak) |
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| 01:42.23 | Trevie | jelly-home: Thanks for the heads-up. I'll probably start reading the manual while the drive formats. |
| 01:42.28 | czrtek | didn't want to run at all on a system with 2 GiB RAM (64-bit). not quite the performance gain I was expecting ;-) |
| 01:42.36 | geo-rge | czrtek: logic isn't the beall and endall of the universe... but out of idle curiousity, exactly where does it not follow? |
| 01:42.42 | czrtek | 860 MiB URES (Unique Resident Set) |
| 01:42.44 | jelly-home | Trevie: In short, _don't_ use -O dir_index on your filesystem. I think it's switched on by default in mke2fs 1.39+ |
| 01:42.58 | asg | czrtek: does anyone in #python know about the mem increase (just curious) |
| 01:43.03 | czrtek | geo-rge, well, a less than 2x increase in memory usage I'd somewhat understand |
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| 01:43.10 | czrtek | asg, I'm pretty sure they do |
| 01:43.22 | geo-rge | by what? |
| 01:43.22 | czrtek | the same problem is on ia-64 |
| 01:43.30 | czrtek | just never use ia-64 for proper work |
| 01:43.43 | czrtek | geo-rge, 2.5 - 3x. |
| 01:44.03 | Trevie | jelly-home: Oh. I'll check that now, then. |
| 01:44.10 | geo-rge | by what? |
| 01:44.24 | czrtek | geo-rge, by what where? |
| 01:44.52 | geo-rge | all languages have overhead... and the conversation has progressed and mutated... maybe you should catch me up |
| 01:45.32 | geo-rge | you're claiming an illogical argument... this would be my request to either support your statement or shut the fuck up :) |
| 01:45.41 | czrtek | geo-rge, sure. I'm not saying they don't. just it was suprising to see such a large increase in memory use when the software was moved on 64-bit platform. that's all |
| 01:46.00 | enouf | Trevie: waht does 'lshal | grep usb_device.speed_bcd' say |
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| 01:46.08 | abrotman | czrtek: that's part of the penalty |
| 01:46.17 | geo-rge | oh, probably coding under the hood needs to be changed to be more efficient |
| 01:46.33 | Trevie | enouf: error: dbus_bus_get: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 01:46.33 | czrtek | geo-rge, yes. I'm redoing most of the stuff in C now |
| 01:46.36 | Trevie | enouf: On the Shuttle |
| 01:46.51 | enouf | Trevie: as root |
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| 01:47.12 | geo-rge | czrtek: it' |
| 01:47.12 | enouf | er .. uh oh .. you may not have hal installed is all ... |
| 01:47.18 | Acu | guys I have uninstalled apache2 - however the etc/apache2 folder with apache2.conf was not removed - I went ahead and delete the files - however now after reinstallation apache2.conf is not recreated what should I do ? |
| 01:47.20 | geo-rge | s a reasonable approach |
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| 01:47.37 | Trevie | enouf: That was as root. |
| 01:47.49 | Trevie | I have "hal-0.5.7-r3" installed. |
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| 01:47.50 | geo-rge | Acu: backup what you intend to keep... purge... reinstall... diff... alter |
| 01:47.52 | enouf | Trevie: and no quotes .. what's dpkg -l hal sya |
| 01:47.53 | czrtek | geo-rge, would be cheaper to buy more RAM but the python thing was a prototype for algorithm testing anyway. need to do the C version sooner or later |
| 01:48.03 | khermans_ | can someone explain /proc/sysrq-trigger to me? |
| 01:48.09 | enouf | oh .. that's odd |
| 01:48.11 | Trevie | enouf: The Shuttle has Gentoo. :p |
| 01:48.25 | geo-rge | Trevie: as a side project? |
| 01:48.28 | Trevie | jelly-home: How do I disable a feature? I see that dir_index is in fact a default. |
| 01:48.38 | enouf | Trevie: well duh .. |
| 01:49.17 | jelly-home | Trevie: To disable a feature, simply prefix the feature name with a caret (’^’) character. |
| 01:49.25 | enouf | Trevie: does lshal open ? |
| 01:49.26 | Trevie | geo-rge: There's a boatload of Linux machines in the house. Some Debian and some Gentoo. It just happens that one with functioning USB 2.0 is Gentoo. |
| 01:49.30 | jelly-home | Trevie: (mke2fs man) |
| 01:49.39 | Trevie | enouf: Same error. |
| 01:50.04 | Trevie | jelly-home: Whoops. That was one sentence further than I read. |
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| 01:50.39 | enouf | Trevie: somrthing is screwy then .. maybe no dcop stuff or something .. oh well .. |
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| 01:50.50 | elshaa | hi |
| 01:51.08 | geo-rge | czrtek: you can always do refactoring into C of appropriate pieces, and expose those pieces either as methods of a class or as commands in the scripted language of your choice... then you're creating a language in which trial solutions can be expressed |
| 01:51.31 | geo-rge | I guess you don't really need to leave C to do that |
| 01:51.42 | czrtek | geo-rge, sure. I've been writing sw for more than 15 years now. so it's not a biggie :-) |
| 01:51.48 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one explain what point http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Path-7.html#ss7.2 about sudo actually means. how does sudo env make things any safer and why would any one want to do that ? |
| 01:51.51 | enouf | Trevie: also maybe try hwinfo --usb-ctrl |
| 01:51.52 | geo-rge | 30 here :) |
| 01:51.55 | elshaa | what could be the reason (except lookup pb) of a very long delay for sshd to return a passwd prompt ? (with a direct rj45 link between host / client). |
| 01:51.56 | czrtek | well, extending python is just more painless |
| 01:52.14 | czrtek | writing everything in C makes the hole development process slower |
| 01:52.25 | czrtek | and there's no need to drop python completely so I'm sticking with a hybrid |
| 01:52.28 | elshaa | I was expecting a kernel io scheduler pb... |
| 01:52.35 | geo-rge | but the hole just gets bigger as you dig |
| 01:52.44 | Trevie | enouf: One moment. It's not installed, oddly enough. (I'm also installing lshw.) |
| 01:52.50 | czrtek | will rewrite couple of hashing table thingies in asm later on (much later) to optimize against L2 size, but that also can wait |
| 01:53.10 | czrtek | elshaa, dns |
| 01:53.13 | czrtek | on the server |
| 01:53.15 | enouf | Trevie: hah hwinfo --usb | grep Speed |
| 01:53.27 | czrtek | trying to use pam to authenticate and that will trigger dns reverse lookup on the client ip |
| 01:53.38 | enouf | Trevie: two very good choices |
| 01:53.58 | elshaa | czrtek: I added the client ip / hostname in the hosts file, so I guess the problem must be somewhere else... no ? |
| 01:54.31 | czrtek | elshaa, sounds like a dns problem though |
| 01:54.52 | czrtek | that's the only thing I know of that would cause multisecond waits (4-10) |
| 01:55.03 | czrtek | I assume the delay is repeatable every time? |
| 01:55.13 | elshaa | czrtek: yep... I'll start some packet capture to see what really happens. |
| 01:55.25 | elshaa | czrtek: it depends actually... |
| 01:55.32 | elshaa | that's quite bizard |
| 01:55.34 | czrtek | elshaa, on the client from which you login? |
| 01:55.43 | enouf | gizzard? |
| 01:55.46 | czrtek | does the client have multiple IPs? the server have multiple routes? etc? |
| 01:56.12 | geo-rge | elshaa: an internally-running dns having control over an internal domain name and having all hosts on the internal net with A and PTR records could help |
| 01:56.28 | elshaa | czrtek: 2 interfaces (1 dhcp and 1 static) on both client and server |
| 01:56.59 | geo-rge | why does the client have two interfaces? |
| 01:57.30 | czrtek | elshaa, you should check which IP is used by the client to connect to the server (last / w on server) and check whether you can do a reverse resolution on that IP (getent hosts ip-addr) |
| 01:57.34 | elshaa | geo-rge: indeed, but your solution is quite "over-dimensioned" for a 2 pc lan... |
| 01:57.35 | abrotman | geo-rge: double talker |
| 01:58.09 | geo-rge | actually hold that thought... I have to test something, and easiest way is to leave here temporarily |
| 01:58.11 | czrtek | geo-rge, if getent hosts ip-addr will also take a long time, then it is a DNS problem |
| 01:58.19 | Trevie | enouf: I'm off for dinner, so I'll have to play with hwinfo later. |
| 01:58.35 | czrtek | anyhow, I need a cigarette |
| 01:58.52 | robin_sz | filthy habit ;) |
| 01:58.59 | abrotman | so is porn |
| 01:59.07 | czrtek | yes. but I write assembler. so I'm allowed to smoke :-) |
| 01:59.10 | enouf | Trevie: ok .. ask #gentoo fabout you specific usb2.0 issues too |
| 01:59.16 | enouf | about* |
| 01:59.17 | czrtek | and not just any asm. 16-bit real mode x86 stuff. |
| 01:59.34 | czrtek | evil begets evil. |
| 01:59.35 | robin_sz | yeuwww. |
| 01:59.45 | Trevie | enouf: USB 2.0 is definitely working on the Shuttle. |
| 01:59.51 | czrtek | abrotman, sparc asm is nice |
| 01:59.56 | abrotman | lies! |
| 01:59.58 | enouf | Trevie: oh .. then which system is it not? |
| 01:59.59 | czrtek | but unfortunately no one pays me to write sparc asm |
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| 02:00.08 | Trevie | enouf: My desktop, which is currently in Windows. |
| 02:00.09 | czrtek | but anyhow, (_(_____((()~ |
| 02:00.26 | elshaa | thanks for the advices |
| 02:00.27 | enouf | Trevie: hehe .. well .. you know what I have to sya about that |
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| 02:00.39 | abrotman | jim? |
| 02:00.44 | Trevie | enouf: I'd reboot into Linux and try it, but I'm in the middle of a bunch on it right now. |
| 02:00.48 | enouf | midge? |
| 02:01.03 | robin_sz | abrotman, whatever, I just have a thing about smoke., I tend not to employ smokers if I have the choice |
| 02:01.13 | enouf | Trevie: does usb2.0 work on any Debian you have? |
| 02:01.29 | Trevie | enouf: I use it so rarely I don't know for sure! |
| 02:01.32 | abrotman | robin_sz: that could get you sued |
| 02:01.51 | robin_sz | abrotman, yeah, whatever. |
| 02:02.02 | abrotman | robin_sz: also pretty stupid requirement for hire |
| 02:02.16 | robin_sz | not really, smokers are less productive |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | robin_sz: so are coffee drinkers |
| 02:02.29 | enouf | !gentoosmite Trevie |
| 02:02.41 | Trevie | BURN |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | and it's just as bad of a habit |
| 02:02.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: coffee drinkers are AWAKE! |
| 02:03.02 | geo-rge | so... don't hire coffee-drinking crack-smoking heroin users :) |
| 02:03.05 | enouf | no thanks .. you've used up all the planet's energy :-P |
| 02:03.13 | MatBoy | what would be the problem when the network is not reachable from a commandline, gateway ot IP ? IP is ok, subnet also... |
| 02:03.16 | abrotman | jelly-home: sure .. after their third cup |
| 02:03.19 | enouf | Trevie: :-P |
| 02:03.33 | robin_sz | abrotman, shurg ... they all seem to take a tea break plus a smoke break ...it adds up to about 10 minutes in the hour for most |
| 02:03.42 | liable | MatBoy: look at 'route' output |
| 02:03.51 | MatBoy | liable, yep I know, that is allright |
| 02:04.01 | abrotman | robin_sz: many of them also seem to work longer in my experience |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | addictive personalities are like that :) |
| 02:04.32 | czrtek | indeed |
| 02:04.42 | liable | going out and smoking for ten as apposed to plodding along for the entire hour |
| 02:04.54 | czrtek | I find that smoking gives time to ponder about problems in another way (refocus if you like) |
| 02:05.00 | geo-rge | " I used to be all messed up on heroin... now I'm all messed up on the lord... " |
| 02:05.05 | robin_sz | abrotman, not in my experience, and hell, do you really want the people who only work 50/60ths of the time working extra hours? |
| 02:05.13 | abrotman | czrtek: i used to take cobol code to the crapper :) |
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| 02:05.27 | czrtek | abrotman, I think I don't need to know ;-) |
| 02:05.28 | geo-rge | used it as tp? |
| 02:05.33 | abrotman | robin_sz: right .. because you're 100% sure the non-smoker works 100% of the time ? |
| 02:05.43 | enouf | you poop every hour? |
| 02:05.47 | abrotman | geo-rge: that's what i told them "Nothing better than wiping with cobol code" :) |
| 02:06.00 | czrtek | actually cobol had one nifty feature |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | czrtek: i agree with you |
| 02:06.07 | czrtek | similar to the with-statement in pascal |
| 02:06.19 | abrotman | czrtek: WRT getting up and getting a clear thought |
| 02:06.19 | czrtek | but in the data description part of the language |
| 02:06.24 | norc | I want to encrypt a few kilobytes of textfiles - it must be very secure, how would I do that? |
| 02:06.24 | czrtek | abrotman, true that |
| 02:06.25 | robin_sz | abrotman, pretty much ... anyway, I hire em, I fire em, so I get to choose. |
| 02:06.43 | abrotman | robin_sz: so you'd fire someone if you caught them browsing the internet ? |
| 02:06.52 | czrtek | norc, remove the files with wipe? |
| 02:06.59 | norc | czrtek: No, I want to keep them |
| 02:07.04 | geo-rge | or, browsing cigarrette ads? |
| 02:07.09 | abrotman | gpg ? |
| 02:07.11 | norc | Just encrypt them with a key that I can decrypt them if needed |
| 02:07.11 | czrtek | norc, you have external mechanisms to keep the encryption keys on? |
| 02:07.11 | norc | mhm |
| 02:07.21 | czrtek | smart cards, cryptographic tokens? |
| 02:07.21 | robin_sz | abrotman, I employ welders .. how do you browse the 'net on a welding set? |
| 02:07.37 | norc | czrtek: Well, it can be even encrypted using a password as key |
| 02:07.38 | norc | eh? |
| 02:07.38 | czrtek | writing assembler is so much like welding |
| 02:07.46 | abrotman | robin_sz: apparently you employ the welders i don't see working with a smoke hanging out of the corner of their mouth :) |
| 02:07.46 | geo-rge | cryptographic torches |
| 02:07.57 | robin_sz | abrotman, correct. |
| 02:08.03 | czrtek | norc, nevermind. you might want to take a look at gpg |
| 02:08.08 | abrotman | robin_sz: must be the rest of the welders that do that :) |
| 02:08.09 | norc | ok, thanks |
| 02:08.25 | abrotman | robin_sz: but coffee drinkers are okat ? |
| 02:08.26 | abrotman | okay ? |
| 02:08.29 | czrtek | norc, openssl (the program) has also quite a loadful of stuff, but gpg is easier/faster to learn |
| 02:08.36 | robin_sz | abrotman, trust me, ther are welders and welders ... some do it as a job, some do it as a profession |
| 02:08.40 | norc | ok, thanks for the hint |
| 02:09.03 | czrtek | norc, just don't lose your key and passphrase for the key |
| 02:09.08 | geo-rge | !paste |
| 02:09.09 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 02:09.14 | czrtek | also you need to secure the location where you keep the key |
| 02:09.28 | robin_sz | abrotman, coffe drinkers dont smell when they come into the office, they dont leave their dead ends lying around outside, they dont cause a fire risk, etc etc |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | robin_sz: you must be a coffee drinker .. because i can smell coffee on people |
| 02:09.48 | czrtek | they can leave the coffee pot on after they leave the office |
| 02:09.53 | norc | hehe, that would be bad, yes, thanks czrtek |
| 02:09.53 | norc | :) |
| 02:09.56 | robin_sz | nope, never touch the stuff |
| 02:09.58 | norc | but I think gpg is what I want/need |
| 02:10.00 | abrotman | they leave the cups around |
| 02:10.02 | robin_sz | tea. |
| 02:10.04 | abrotman | they leave the coffee maker on |
| 02:10.06 | jelly-home | abrotman: you must be very close with your cow orkers |
| 02:10.06 | robin_sz | best drink of the day |
| 02:10.09 | czrtek | norc, probably. it's a useful tool to learn anyway |
| 02:10.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: i abhor coffee .. can smell it pretty far away |
| 02:10.41 | Muffin | Mmmm, coffee. |
| 02:10.41 | czrtek | norc, almost all email clients for linux have support for gpg as well |
| 02:10.41 | enouf | norc: fwiw also look at LUKs |
| 02:10.41 | geo-rge | how do I get X to write more verbose messages |
| 02:10.46 | czrtek | enouf, does luks yet support ebc? |
| 02:10.47 | abrotman | write them where ? |
| 02:11.01 | enouf | crn: dunno |
| 02:11.05 | enouf | er czrtek |
| 02:11.10 | norc | ok, thanks enouf :) |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | robin_sz: my point is that coffee drinkers stand there .. wait for the coffee to be ready .. add whatever stuff they want .. chitchat etc .. and they need three cups to wake up |
| 02:11.23 | czrtek | it didn't the last time. although ebc only came in 2.6.18 or smt like that |
| 02:11.26 | geo-rge | stdout is fine |
| 02:11.28 | czrtek | ecb even |
| 02:11.29 | robin_sz | abrotman, well, whatever, I get to hire and fire, I choose the ones I think will fit in and work best .. my shop, my call. period. |
| 02:11.31 | enouf | all /msg dpkg luks |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | robin_sz: and then they spend the rest of the AM crapping out the bad coffee :) |
| 02:11.37 | geo-rge | or stderr is fine too |
| 02:11.59 | czrtek | abrotman, but they make good cobol programmers, no? ;-) |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | robin_sz: you can just say "I don't like the smell and don't want to smell it so i don't hire them" .. no need to justify with costs etc :) |
| 02:12.17 | abrotman | czrtek: everyone can program cobol |
| 02:12.32 | czrtek | as long as they can program. not everyone can. |
| 02:12.37 | robin_sz | abrotman, well, thats certainly part of it |
| 02:12.46 | czrtek | anyone can write php though |
| 02:12.51 | geo-rge | I'm going to do 2>&1 anyway and stick it in a file |
| 02:12.53 | czrtek | or at least copy/paste :-) |
| 02:12.57 | abrotman | czrtek: it's the good PHP that's hard :) |
| 02:13.06 | czrtek | indeed |
| 02:13.14 | geo-rge | php and cobol aren't the best choices for languages for most applications |
| 02:13.16 | czrtek | used to do security audits on php code |
| 02:13.25 | czrtek | pretty depressing work |
| 02:13.31 | robin_sz | although we do have smokers, but they tend to be the older ones, who know that a break is finite and not "a random amount of time taken as often as you like as much as you like" |
| 02:13.43 | robin_sz | the younger ones seem to have trouble with that |
| 02:13.57 | abrotman | you could just .. tell them :) |
| 02:14.04 | geo-rge | you might want to audit php itself... and then audit anything it's connected to... like apache2... |
| 02:14.07 | abrotman | hang a big notre |
| 02:14.17 | geo-rge | robin_sz: oic, so it' |
| 02:14.20 | czrtek | geo-rge, as said, depressing stuff. I don't do that anymore |
| 02:14.44 | geo-rge | robin_sz: oic, so it's -young- smokers you won't hire/will fire... -good luck- with that :) |
| 02:14.59 | czrtek | besides, auditing constantly changing codebase is like creating a new lake using only one bucket |
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| 02:15.20 | robin_sz | abrotman, trust me, it has no effect. school just doesnt teach them respect like that anymore ... they need a few years of poverty to show em that good jobs are hard to find ... |
| 02:15.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:15.49 | geo-rge | or they need to be trained how to make money, perhaps by investing... |
| 02:16.03 | abrotman | robin_sz: so Debian is just a hobby for you ? |
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| 02:16.36 | czrtek | abrotman, sshh, he's using an army of welders to improve debian :-) |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | hey .. that's cool |
| 02:16.46 | resistance | i just finished install etch, with sarge i could run apt-configure and change my source, how can i do this noe? |
| 02:16.47 | robin_sz | abrotman, no, its the other half of my life .. .one half is spent running a welding shop, the other half is spent doing Linux admin and java/perl for a swiss company ... |
| 02:16.55 | robin_sz | yeah, I know ... |
| 02:16.59 | abrotman | you make clocks! |
| 02:16.59 | robin_sz | not exactly related |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | robin_sz: sounds like one was training and the other passion :) |
| 02:17.18 | robin_sz | yeah, but which? |
| 02:17.19 | bgalvao | alguem fala portugues |
| 02:17.20 | infocom47 | hello all |
| 02:17.27 | bgalvao | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.48 | czrtek | !pt |
| 02:17.48 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | robin_sz: i've seen your answers here .. you were a trained welder! :) |
| 02:18.01 | robin_sz | heh |
| 02:18.12 | robin_sz | my welding is worse than my Perl |
| 02:18.19 | czrtek | mine too |
| 02:18.22 | abrotman | which is why you're a boss :) |
| 02:18.28 | robin_sz | :) |
| 02:18.28 | abrotman | those who can't .. hire .. or something like that |
| 02:18.37 | deadcat | i ran: root@hades:~# debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, but i get this error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 02:18.39 | czrtek | nah. they become consultants |
| 02:18.40 | robin_sz | yip |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | deadcat: sell the cobalt! |
| 02:19.10 | infocom47 | does kqemu work on athon64? |
| 02:19.17 | czrtek | reminds me of a dilbert strip quote "I like to con and insult people. hence I'm now a consultant" |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search kqemu |
| 02:19.59 | robin_sz | abrotman, but we have probably the most advanced IT infrastructure of any weld shop in the area :) ... voip, replicated servers on different sites, etc etc |
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| 02:20.15 | czrtek | robin_sz, asterisk? |
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| 02:20.18 | geo-rge | the X man page doesn't have enough information on starting -servers- (it does have info on clients) where do I find the actual SERVER man page? |
| 02:20.20 | infocom47 | its says kqemu source |
| 02:20.21 | robin_sz | czrtek, certainly |
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| 02:20.41 | czrtek | robin_sz, what about the connection to isp? |
| 02:20.46 | abrotman | robin_sz: it's easy to approve projects like that when you're the boss :) |
| 02:20.48 | czrtek | or telco-provider to be more accurate |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | infocom47: should be your answer |
| 02:21.10 | enouf | geo-rge: man X |
| 02:21.16 | geo-rge | I need to have the server output verbosely, what man page is that in? (not man X where it's supposed to be) |
| 02:21.18 | robin_sz | czrtek, we use ISDN, sip terminations are fine *in theory* but in practice are hopeless inthe UK at least |
| 02:21.26 | enouf | er.. ok .. perhaps man Xorg ? |
| 02:21.26 | infocom47 | okay thanks abrotman |
| 02:21.35 | czrtek | robin_sz, I thought you were in .ch? |
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| 02:21.35 | geo-rge | I'll check |
| 02:21.55 | robin_sz | czrtek, no. UK, but O work for a .ch company too |
| 02:21.55 | enouf | geo-rge: if using Xfree86 .. I recall there being a great XSerber doc somewhere on the HDD |
| 02:22.03 | deadcat | abrotman: no, that was about debootstrap, |
| 02:22.04 | robin_sz | czrtek, remotley mostly. |
| 02:22.06 | czrtek | robin_sz, ah, ok |
| 02:22.14 | czrtek | we have the same problem in finland too |
| 02:22.16 | enouf | geo-rge: likely in /usr/share/doc somewhere .. locate xserver |
| 02:22.24 | abrotman | deadcat: admit it! |
| 02:22.25 | robin_sz | czrtek, which part of .fi? |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | deadcat: can you runt hat manually ? |
| 02:22.34 | czrtek | helsinki |
| 02:22.44 | robin_sz | ah, my brother in law lives there |
| 02:22.54 | czrtek | it's possible to get IP termination from telcos but they don't want to sell it to you |
| 02:23.00 | enouf | geo-rge: or apt-cache search -n Xserver | grep doc |
| 02:23.03 | robin_sz | and, my friend from Naantali will be visiting me tomorow :) |
| 02:23.19 | czrtek | why would anyone want to live in naantali :-) |
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| 02:23.23 | deadcat | abrotman: it broke pretty bad... that debootstrap is being ran on the "server" which currently is a x86 machine |
| 02:23.33 | MatBoy | liable, can or can;t I access 192.168.10.0 from 10.10.10.0 when they are on the same switch ? (in your opinion) |
| 02:23.37 | abrotman | i know .. it's your Qube3 right ? |
| 02:23.38 | robin_sz | czrtek, mmm .. its close to turku .. |
| 02:23.46 | robin_sz | and .. |
| 02:23.48 | robin_sz | err |
| 02:23.59 | robin_sz | its close to turku |
| 02:24.02 | czrtek | robin_sz, yes I know where it is :-) |
| 02:24.07 | robin_sz | oops, I did that one already |
| 02:24.07 | jankonto | when i shall make a debian CD image.. shall i burn out ALL these images? (ftp://ftp.uninett.no/pub/linux/debian-iso/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/) |
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| 02:24.23 | czrtek | the next logical step would be "why would anyone want to live next to turku", but I guess it's better left unsaid :--) |
| 02:24.29 | robin_sz | heh |
| 02:24.38 | robin_sz | it is pretty ... |
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| 02:24.52 | czrtek | I guess /me shrugs |
| 02:24.57 | robin_sz | and sailing in the archipeligo is wonderful |
| 02:25.01 | czrtek | that it is |
| 02:25.18 | robin_sz | theres good climbing on the islands too |
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| 02:25.43 | czrtek | never did climbing (proper climbing that is) |
| 02:26.01 | robin_sz | its not exactly the commonest sprot in .fi |
| 02:26.09 | czrtek | the only proper ascention was in china to 4200 meters and that was using a path (no rock-face climbing) |
| 02:26.17 | czrtek | it was popular at some point. a fad even. |
| 02:26.30 | czrtek | there are a lot of indoor climbing arenas in the capital area at least |
| 02:26.30 | robin_sz | anything less than 75 degrees is a walk :) |
| 02:26.42 | czrtek | it was a walk. a nice walk though :-) |
| 02:26.46 | robin_sz | yep |
| 02:26.54 | czrtek | the walk back was a different story though :-) |
| 02:27.29 | liable | MatBoy: dont think so. maybe with an alias |
| 02:27.34 | czrtek | just say that you're welding a better debian and they'll leave you alone :-) |
| 02:27.42 | MatBoy | liable, or a route maybe |
| 02:27.46 | MatBoy | let me check ! |
| 02:27.47 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 02:27.49 | deadcat | i ran: root@hades:~# debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/, but i get this error: W: Failure trying to run: chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc <-- help please |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | deadcat: don't make me tell you about pete and repete! |
| 02:28.18 | czrtek | MatBoy, ifconfig eth):1 10.10.10.3 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | deadcat: that command breaks badly on its own ? |
| 02:28.23 | czrtek | eth0:1 even |
| 02:28.27 | deadcat | abrotman: i am not repeating. |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | poh .. you added the 'help please' :) |
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| 02:29.19 | czrtek | "repete help please" |
| 02:29.20 | deadcat | (= |
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| 02:29.58 | czrtek | anyone here who knows the dpkg codebase (the program, not the bot) |
| 02:30.18 | DerJamster | what about it? |
| 02:30.21 | abrotman | knows it or where to get it ? |
| 02:30.31 | abrotman | i think it was done in C# |
| 02:30.34 | czrtek | knows it/understands it/hacks on it |
| 02:30.46 | pickcoder | C# and it runs? |
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| 02:30.56 | geo-rge | why is my fglrx not working? please see... http://channels.debian.net/paste/4908 and http://channels.debian.net/paste/4909 |
| 02:31.01 | abrotman | dvs: save me! |
| 02:31.07 | dvs | abrotman: from what? |
| 02:31.12 | geo-rge | to what? |
| 02:31.18 | czrtek | DerJamster, how difficult would it to be to add a hook for it to run an external program when it is about to unlink files belonging to a package that it's decided to remove? |
| 02:31.21 | abrotman | the canadians! |
| 02:31.26 | dvs | heh |
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| 02:31.37 | dvs | abrotman: try and convince your Eagles to defend you! |
| 02:31.48 | DerJamster | czrtek: you got me there. |
| 02:31.48 | abrotman | screw the eagles! |
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| 02:32.00 | dvs | but didn't they win today? |
| 02:32.02 | DerJamster | geo-rge: define 'not working' |
| 02:32.10 | DerJamster | no 3d accel? |
| 02:32.13 | czrtek | DerJamster, no ideas? :-) I was trying to read the code but it's not documented and I need a hint where to start :-) |
| 02:32.14 | abrotman | geo-rge: what doesn't work ? |
| 02:32.25 | geo-rge | DerJamster: keeps saying "direct rendering: No" |
| 02:32.27 | DerJamster | czrtek: nope, no ideas :> I'm merely a user of it. |
| 02:32.30 | DerJamster | geo-rge: (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering not yet supported on Radeon 9500/9700 and newer cards |
| 02:32.34 | DerJamster | I knew it ;) |
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| 02:32.38 | czrtek | DerJamster, arr, ok :-) |
| 02:32.40 | pickcoder | czrtek: I'm sure the functions have meaningful names |
| 02:32.47 | geo-rge | oh, so I'm screwed for now... |
| 02:32.52 | czrtek | pickcoder, like ohshite()? ;-) |
| 02:32.54 | DerJamster | geo-rge: those are the free drivers, or..? |
| 02:32.58 | abrotman | geo-rge: did you try using fglrx ? |
| 02:32.58 | pickcoder | exactly |
| 02:33.06 | geo-rge | I think I just did |
| 02:33.08 | abrotman | geo-rge: if you use etch .. i think it's supported for 3d |
| 02:33.20 | DerJamster | geo-rge: you're not using fglrx |
| 02:33.28 | DerJamster | you're using the free ati drivers. |
| 02:33.29 | geo-rge | I made sure my kernel and my gcc matched |
| 02:33.30 | liable | geo-rge: i had to do some libGL linking to get my fglrx working properly. though that was a while ago now |
| 02:33.33 | czrtek | I got a kick out of it when I saw it the first time. some of the functions have interesting names. probably would mean something if I'd know something about the structure of dpkg |
| 02:33.34 | geo-rge | oh, ok' |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | geo-rge: you didn't tell X to use fglrx |
| 02:33.40 | DerJamster | geo-rge: grab fglrx from ati.com |
| 02:33.47 | DerJamster | or if you actually compiled them already.. |
| 02:34.02 | DerJamster | change the driver line in your conf from ati to fglrx |
| 02:34.14 | geo-rge | oh, ok... |
| 02:34.21 | geo-rge | I'll do that and restart |
| 02:34.23 | deadcat | geo-rge: i use the free ati/radeon driver, what i have to do is remove radeon, load uninorth-agp , THEN radeon again.. else 3d dont work. |
| 02:34.36 | DerJamster | deadcat: the message says it's not supported for his card. |
| 02:34.54 | DerJamster | he needs fglrx if he wants accel. |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | deadcat: he's on sarge |
| 02:35.07 | deadcat | o |
| 02:35.08 | geo-rge | no, not any more |
| 02:35.19 | geo-rge | I'm on the etch of the world |
| 02:35.21 | dvs | geo-rge: etch I hope |
| 02:35.29 | geo-rge | bleeding etch |
| 02:35.35 | czrtek | bleeding itch |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | geo-rge: no you're not |
| 02:35.44 | deadcat | geo-rge: give it a try.. doesnt hurt.. in /etc/modules, just add -r radeon, uninorth-agp, radeon |
| 02:35.57 | DerJamster | does he have the uninorth-agp chipset? |
| 02:36.02 | abrotman | geo-rge: you're not on an etch kernel or etch xorg |
| 02:36.17 | bintut | i apt-get'ed a new kernel from my repository but when i checked my menu.lst, the new kernel wasn't added to it. am i going to add it manually or is there a way to automatically add it..? |
| 02:36.18 | geo-rge | so do I need to upgrade? |
| 02:36.32 | DerJamster | geo-rge: upgrade to etch or grab fglrx. |
| 02:36.39 | geo-rge | I |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | you |
| 02:36.46 | DerJamster | me! |
| 02:36.48 | geo-rge | AM running etch :P |
| 02:37.01 | DerJamster | then grab fglrx. |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | geo-rge: no .. you're not |
| 02:37.16 | geo-rge | I did it specifically to get this going |
| 02:37.18 | enouf | heh |
| 02:37.20 | abrotman | XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14 20050601051219 fabbione@fabbione.net) |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | S Kernel: Linux version 2.6.15-1-686 (Debian 2.6.15-4) (maks@sternwelten.at) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060128 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-8)) #2 Thu Feb 2 18:29:01 UTC 2006 |
| 02:37.42 | geo-rge | xfree86? |
| 02:37.48 | abrotman | that's what it says |
| 02:37.50 | DerJamster | and an xorg.conf. wha? |
| 02:37.55 | abrotman | maybe you should paste xorg.log :) |
| 02:38.00 | abrotman | erm .. Xorg.0.log |
| 02:38.01 | dvs | bintut: I think you have to add some lines to your kernel-img.conf |
| 02:38.28 | geo-rge | so X runs my old server... yes? |
| 02:38.28 | resistance | what should i put into my sources.list file, for etch sources, http, in canada |
| 02:38.34 | DerJamster | geo-rge: see if there is an Xorg.0.log |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | geo-rge: X -version |
| 02:38.41 | DerJamster | you probably pasted the wrong log. |
| 02:38.46 | dvs | bintut: http://pastebin.ca/292056 |
| 02:38.47 | abrotman | resistance: ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 02:38.54 | abrotman | !tell resistance about mirrors |
| 02:39.00 | abrotman | resistance: that was wrong .. it's some york thing |
| 02:39.06 | dvs | abrotman: no such web site |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | dvs: i remembered that! |
| 02:39.14 | dvs | resistance: where in Canada? |
| 02:39.21 | resistance | winnipeg |
| 02:39.48 | geo-rge | OOPS... |
| 02:39.56 | geo-rge | ok, I pasted the wrong x.log |
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| 02:40.03 | resistance | i can't connect to http.us.debian.org |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | so let's try again! |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | resistance: it's http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
| 02:40.17 | enouf | heh |
| 02:40.51 | bintut | dvs: it's there.. my /etc/kernel-img.conf has all the two lines that you have.. but i'm wondering that it isn't added to my menu.lst yet |
| 02:40.55 | dvs | resistance: http://mirror.peer1.net/ |
| 02:41.16 | dvs | bintut: it should be in your kernel-img.conf |
| 02:41.20 | dvs | only |
| 02:41.33 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4910 |
| 02:41.55 | geo-rge | picked up wrong x.log |
| 02:41.58 | enouf | bintut: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel .. then update-grub, maybe even dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-XXXX .. where XXXX is the newer image |
| 02:42.01 | geo-rge | that should be the right one |
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| 02:43.36 | bintut | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/19024 |
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| 02:43.40 | abrotman | geo-rge: did you paste your xorg.conf before .. or XFree86-5-Config ? |
| 02:43.44 | czrtek | anyone know of a working partimage replacement? |
| 02:43.54 | elshaa | ok, my long pwd prompt response from ssh is not about dns, since the problem disappear when I use a debian linux-image... |
| 02:43.55 | geo-rge | abrotman: xorg.conf |
| 02:43.56 | bintut | enouf: i'm running etch here.. kindly check out http://paste.debian.net/19024 |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | geo-rge: still loading ati .. not fglrx |
| 02:44.22 | czrtek | elshaa, debian linux image as in kernel running on the server? |
| 02:44.30 | czrtek | elshaa, might be ipv6/ipv4 thingy then |
| 02:44.31 | jfletcher | anyone use Klibido? I'm getting an error at the moment saying "File system full, cannot write to disk etc etc" yet when I do 'df' it says my / has only 20% full |
| 02:44.42 | geo-rge | abrotman: I used the module-assistant and came up with... |
| 02:44.44 | abrotman | out of inodes ? |
| 02:44.44 | czrtek | elshaa, check that your client and server use ipv4 by default |
| 02:44.49 | elshaa | czrtek: hummm, good idea |
| 02:44.51 | dvs | bintut: you have the "do_symlinks" option on so the image part should be pointing to a symlink of some sort. |
| 02:45.06 | czrtek | elshaa, esp if you're using a DROPping firewall in between |
| 02:45.13 | czrtek | that would cause delays in TCP establishment |
| 02:45.34 | elshaa | k |
| 02:45.47 | czrtek | elshaa, if you ever find out what it is, drop me a note |
| 02:45.56 | czrtek | I'd be interested in hearing what it is exactly if not dns |
| 02:46.02 | enouf | bintut: do your /etc/kernel-img.conf look like this? http://pastebin.ca/292058 esecially the symlink 1st line |
| 02:46.02 | bintut | dvs: yes, it is. kindly check my paste please |
| 02:46.06 | elshaa | I keep you posted :) |
| 02:46.07 | geo-rge | fglrx-kernel-2.6.18_8.28.8-4+2.6.18-10.00.Custom_i386.deb |
| 02:46.13 | czrtek | elshaa, thanks & good luck :-) |
| 02:46.18 | elshaa | thx |
| 02:46.18 | elshaa | ) |
| 02:46.20 | geo-rge | abrotman: that part look ok? |
| 02:46.20 | dvs | bintut: but that's why the menu.list hasn't changed. |
| 02:46.23 | bintut | enouf: kindly check http://paste.debian.net/19024 |
| 02:46.35 | abrotman | okay .. you still have to tell X to use it |
| 02:46.39 | geo-rge | module-assistant also installed that package |
| 02:46.48 | dvs | bintut: what does your /boot/grub/menu.lst say? |
| 02:46.54 | enouf | bintut: right .. wonder why the /usr/sbin .. not /sbin |
| 02:47.11 | bintut | dvs: what do you mean it hasn't changed? |
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| 02:48.35 | bintut | dvs: kindly check my menu.lst at http://paste.debian.net/19025 |
| 02:48.36 | dvs | bintut: The filename after the "kernel" word in menu.lst is probably pointing to a symlink |
| 02:49.00 | enouf | bintut: do you have a symlink in / for the newer image ? like; |
| 02:49.01 | enouf | $ ls -al /vmlinuz |
| 02:49.01 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2006-07-23 21:55 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 02:49.20 | dvs | bintut: what does "ls -l /vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-amd64" say? |
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| 02:52.54 | bintut | dvs and enouf: kindly check this out ==> http://paste.debian.net/19026 |
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| 02:53.33 | bintut | # which update-grub |
| 02:53.34 | bintut | /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 02:54.31 | deadcat | can someone run the debootstrap for me please. i am getting errors |
| 02:57.13 | dvs | bintut: and you ran grub-install? |
| 02:57.29 | enouf | dvs update-grub it would be .. I think |
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| 02:57.41 | bintut | dvs: do i need to re-run grub-install? |
| 02:57.44 | enouf | bintut: what's the new kernel version numbers |
| 02:57.51 | liable | dvs: cant just get an installer kernel and boot it? |
| 02:57.54 | liable | deadcat: ^^ |
| 02:57.57 | dvs | enouf: you have to install grub into the master boot record at least once |
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| 02:58.26 | czrtek | hah. sometimes one has to just love google. search phrase "apt triggering at package removal". a site on the search results "Rodent Biology, Rat Elimination, Mouse Elimination" |
| 02:58.28 | bintut | enouf: i pasted it already.. but anyway, i apt-get'ed the 2.6.18 kernel but i still don't have it in my /boot |
| 02:58.54 | deadcat | liable: nope.. i have to setup a chroot on a nfs partition for a device to be installed. but i guess debootstrap is not working on my "server" machine right now. |
| 02:59.00 | bintut | dvs: yes, i install grub into my mbr when i first install this debian system on my laptop |
| 02:59.16 | liable | deadcat: oh well |
| 02:59.18 | enouf | bintut: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-xxxx where XXXX is the newer image |
| 02:59.24 | deadcat | liable: http://www.timntina.com/debian-sarge-cobalt-install |
| 02:59.28 | bintut | enouf: ok |
| 03:00.19 | bintut | enouf: nothing happened.. |
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| 03:01.30 | lastnode | are there any web based control panels i can get apt-get on a sarge box? |
| 03:01.32 | liable | hehe http://humour.200ok.com.au/image_getpoliceattention.html |
| 03:01.52 | deadcat | liable: webmin, but not recommended |
| 03:01.52 | abrotman | lastnode: not officially |
| 03:01.59 | enouf | bintut: where's the image on your HDD? |
| 03:02.11 | bintut | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 03:02.26 | enouf | bintut: maybe it's a dm (mapper) issue |
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| 03:02.38 | bintut | i installed another kernel but still, i don't have it on my /boot |
| 03:02.39 | enouf | bintut: where's the NEWLY D/l image |
| 03:02.49 | enouf | locate it |
| 03:03.06 | enouf | bintut: how did you install it? |
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| 03:03.25 | bintut | aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 03:03.51 | rudenstam | I'm on etch and have just connected my TFT to my laptop, I switched the video over with the Fn button on laptop, but I'm stuck in 1024x768 and there's no options on the dropdown in the "Screen Resolution" panel |
| 03:03.58 | bintut | and my latest install command was: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
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| 03:04.08 | rudenstam | I tried to add a new Subsection Display in the xorg.conf and reboot but didn't help |
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| 03:04.12 | rudenstam | (I want 1600 x 1200) |
| 03:05.00 | bintut | enouf: i'm updating my slocatedb.. |
| 03:06.42 | enouf | [22:01:55] [dpkg] Package 'kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 ' does not exist. |
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| 03:08.03 | geo-rge | welp, caused seeming freeze, but I could ssh in as long as the sshd was running... |
| 03:08.16 | geo-rge | said fglrx doesn't like the 16bpp setting |
| 03:08.18 | enouf | This says differnetly though http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=-image-2.6-amd64-k8&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 03:08.58 | bintut | dvs and enouf: kindly check this out ==> http://paste.debian.net/19027 |
| 03:09.25 | bintut | enouf and dvs: again, i'm running etch amd64 here.. |
| 03:09.54 | dvs | bintut: you're running sarge? |
| 03:10.13 | bintut | dvs: i'm running etch |
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| 03:11.57 | dvs | bintut: "grub-install" is the only thing I can think of. |
| 03:11.58 | enouf | dvs Sarge doesn't matter anyway http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 03:12.13 | enouf | I think it's a device mapper / LVM issue |
| 03:12.22 | dvs | oh? |
| 03:12.27 | dvs | I know nothing about LVM |
| 03:13.41 | abrotman | geo-rge: make it work! |
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| 03:14.07 | enouf | bintut: the dpkg-reconfigure should also reconfig your initrd .. but who knows .. maybe you need to install initramfs-tools, initrd-yools .. do this dpkg -l initrd-tools |
| 03:14.17 | enouf | dvs: I'm guessing anyway :-) |
| 03:14.35 | minerale | Greetings, I'm planning on moving my personal email (a catchall @mydomain.com ) into a self managed exim/debian config, I get about 5000 emails/yr which config would be easiest for me? mbox, mailfolder, postgres ? -- (also, I'm looking for docs on this ) |
| 03:14.43 | bintut | enouf: imho, lvm is not an issue here.. the problem is that whenever i apt-get a new kernel version from a repository, it doesn't extract an image to my /boot partition |
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| 03:14.56 | enouf | geo-rge: it's not working yet? .. good .. now IO don't have to read the scrollback |
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| 03:15.10 | bintut | enouf: i tried the dpkg-reconfigure command but nothing happened.. |
| 03:15.20 | enouf | bintut: where FINDING the friggin thing would be priority to me :-) |
| 03:15.46 | bintut | enouf: i locate'ed it but i can't find it.. |
| 03:15.51 | enouf | bintut: did your machine mistakenly eat it? |
| 03:15.57 | enouf | bintut: heh |
| 03:16.02 | geo-rge | just a minnit... I gotta get rid of my 550-spams in my inbox |
| 03:16.06 | enouf | p00f! .. houdini! dunnit |
| 03:16.35 | dvs | bintut: apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
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| 03:16.54 | lastnode | abrotman: still, is it easy as apt-get install, or wil there be more configs to edit |
| 03:17.01 | abrotman | fer what ? |
| 03:17.17 | abrotman | i have a five minute memory .. regardless of what the bot says |
| 03:17.28 | enouf | bintut: less /var/log/dpkg.log | tail -20 |
| 03:17.55 | liable | like a fish |
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| 03:19.29 | abrotman | anyone else noticed that all enouf seems to do is eat and drink beer ? |
| 03:19.55 | bintut | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/19028 |
| 03:20.14 | lastnode | abrotman: vps control panel |
| 03:20.34 | abrotman | not that i know of .. webmin is hte closest |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 03:20.35 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 03:21.05 | minerale | !exim |
| 03:21.05 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 03:23.17 | trouf | hi |
| 03:23.24 | enouf | bintut: self-explanatory |
| 03:23.26 | enouf | 20. 2006-12-26 11:18:23 status config-files linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 2.6.18+5 21. 2006-12-26 11:18:23 status not-installed linux-image-2.6-amd64-k8 <none> |
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| 03:23.58 | geo-rge | said fglrx doesn't like the 16bpp setting |
| 03:24.28 | bintut | enouf: yeah, i just read that.. i'm figuring out why it doesn't install a new kernel.. :( |
| 03:24.34 | enouf | bintut: something is blocking it from being installed .. your /menu.lst doesn't appear to have any settings affecting that |
| 03:24.52 | trouf | hello |
| 03:25.20 | trouf | i m using knppix can some know about it ? |
| 03:25.41 | enouf | bintut: How can you be sure it's not initrd-tools .. nor a dm issue . snoop around the developer's pages and visit #debian-amd64 |
| 03:25.45 | trouf | knoppix* |
| 03:25.52 | dvs | trouf: #knoppix |
| 03:25.54 | enouf | bintut: try irc.debian.org too |
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| 03:26.07 | bintut | enouf: thanks.. |
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| 03:26.44 | enouf | bintut: plz tell me what it was when you figure it out :-) |
| 03:26.50 | trouf | lol |
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| 03:27.05 | bintut | enouf: no problem.. |
| 03:27.22 | enouf | bintut: Maybe that pkg doesn't contain an actual newer kernel? .. is that possible? |
| 03:27.45 | enouf | bintut: nevermind .. it says k8 .. dead givveaway |
| 03:28.26 | michael11 | I have LVM set up and am trying to add a LV after I've added it as a PV and to the VG with this command: "lvextend --size +298.09G /dev/disks/datalv" but I keep getting this error: "Insufficient suitable allocatable extents for logical volume datalv: 2 more required" |
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| 03:29.03 | enouf | bintut: well .. "Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.17-2-amd64" your installed kernel doesn't say k7 though |
| 03:29.04 | geo-rge | michael11: you're -adding- a logical vol? or doing something to an EXISTING one? |
| 03:29.29 | michael11 | Oh, sorry, I meant extending one |
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| 03:29.57 | geo-rge | reduce the amount of space until it works... it says there's not enough |
| 03:30.09 | geo-rge | (you can see that in the message) |
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| 03:31.06 | michael11 | geo-rge: I was trying to add the exact amount pvdisplay says exists for that drive but I guess it doesn't like that |
| 03:31.06 | bintut | enouf: it's the old and current kernel that i am currently running |
| 03:31.07 | enouf | bintut: you need this --> kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 <-- the other only has 2 files even though the other "depends" on this --> http://packages.debian.org/stable/base/kernel-image-2.6.8-12-amd64-k8 |
| 03:31.26 | dvs | enouf: isn't that for sarge and not etch? |
| 03:31.28 | geo-rge | find out how many extents are there, and add that many |
| 03:31.35 | enouf | bintut: doh .. |
| 03:31.40 | enouf | bintut: lessee |
| 03:32.09 | michael11 | geo-rge: What should I put in to display how many there are? |
| 03:32.12 | enouf | bintut: here ya go http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 03:32.32 | bintut | enouf: thanks.. |
| 03:32.38 | geo-rge | michael11: either one of us would have to read the man page for lvdisplay to find that out |
| 03:32.54 | enouf | norc: so try aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 03:33.02 | enouf | er bintut |
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| 03:33.58 | michael11 | geo-rge: Alright, sorry, I thought it might have been some other command or something |
| 03:34.11 | mbishop | After an upgrade (using unstable) my fonts are all wonky, anyone else have this? |
| 03:34.28 | bdunn | Quick and easy question... I am installing Linux on a server that has 2 Core Duo CPUs and 8GIG of RAM. Which version should I go with to handle that best? It's a big DNS server |
| 03:34.33 | geo-rge | michael11: sometimes the simpler thing will apply... these crazy unix dudes, you never know... |
| 03:34.53 | dvs | bdunn: etch |
| 03:35.00 | LordBrain | debian |
| 03:35.16 | LordBrain | or you mean which kernel... |
| 03:35.27 | geo-rge | -but- once you have a working informational base, it begins to be possible to figure things out |
| 03:35.30 | enouf | norc: so try aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 .. since that "depends" on the actual kernel image |
| 03:35.37 | enouf | crap .. I mean bintut |
| 03:35.42 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4911 |
| 03:36.02 | bintut | enouf: http://paste.debian.net/19029 |
| 03:36.13 | enouf | fuck this naming convention scheme .. .. man! |
| 03:36.21 | bdunn | dvs - Pardon my ignorance, but isn't Etch the least stable version at the moment? If so is it simply the only one that can handle it? |
| 03:36.35 | abrotman | mp |
| 03:36.36 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:36.43 | dvs | bdunn: no, sarge is the current stable. etch is "about to be released" |
| 03:36.43 | enouf | bintut: go ask in #debian-amd64 .. I don't want to misguide you |
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| 03:36.50 | mbishop | Anyone have their fonts go screwy after an update? |
| 03:36.51 | geo-rge | this is my latest log, with the xorg config as before except device section using fgrlx (it doesn't show that in the paste, but that's what it was) |
| 03:36.52 | bintut | enouf: it installed. got it already.. thanks.. |
| 03:37.07 | enouf | bintut: hah! .. thanks for updating me |
| 03:37.15 | geo-rge | it depends... were they girl fonts or boy fonts? |
| 03:37.22 | dvs | bdunn: you won't be about to install sarge on a Core 2 Duo because of the chipset |
| 03:37.46 | bintut | enouf: but, i was wondering why my first 2 attempts didn't worked out.. :( |
| 03:37.53 | enouf | bintut: Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-amd64 35. Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done <-- now thatsa n-i-c-e :-) |
| 03:38.19 | enouf | hehe even better --> Found kernel: /vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 03:38.25 | bintut | enouf: yeah.. :) |
| 03:38.32 | geo-rge | usually the boy fonts will be screwy and brag about it... but a girl font will only be screwy if she's moved |
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| 03:38.47 | bdunn | dvs - Okay.... thanks. So I don't need to worry about AMD version or x86 version based on that much RAM? (8 GIG) |
| 03:39.40 | dvs | bdunn: Hmmm... I know etch will be able to handle 4GB of memory but I'm not sure about 8GB |
| 03:39.51 | geo-rge | let's try that other thing again... |
| 03:40.08 | enouf | bintut: check to see if something is amiss with the names though .. perhaps .. and notify the relevant parties .. since it appears that installing "kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8" might not upgrade the kernel .. maybe the merger to include all SMP in newer goofed something .. dunno |
| 03:40.10 | dvs | bdunn: you might have to compile your own kernel to take advantage of all your memory |
| 03:40.30 | mbishop | Anyone have their fonts go screwy after an update? |
| 03:41.10 | bintut | enouf: yeah.. i'll reboot my new kernel in a while.. |
| 03:41.18 | geo-rge | Hey yall, I tried fglrx in the driver section of my xorg.conf (the only thing I changed in there)... here is the log from that attempt (couldn't get it to do anything after that) |
| 03:41.25 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4911 |
| 03:41.26 | bdunn | dvs - Oh, I have no problem with that. :-) Thanks! |
| 03:41.30 | geo-rge | that is the log |
| 03:41.39 | dvs | bdunn: no problem |
| 03:41.46 | enouf | bintut: it does say "transition package' for both the Etch and Sid kernels here http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=-image-2.6-amd64-k8&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 03:43.29 | geo-rge | (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:0:1) found |
| 03:43.45 | abrotman | don't declare the busid |
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| 03:45.28 | bintut | enouf: yeah, *-k8 is a transition package.. |
| 03:45.58 | geo-rge | ok, let me see where that's declared... (BUT: |
| 03:46.01 | geo-rge | (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] rev 0, Mem @ 0xf0000000/27, 0xcf800000/16, I/O @ 0xd800/8, BIOS @ 0xeffe0000/17 |
| 03:46.01 | geo-rge | (--) PCI: (1:0:1) ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) rev 0, Mem @ 0xe0000000/27, 0xcf000000/16 |
| 03:46.04 | geo-rge | ) |
| 03:46.39 | abrotman | take it out |
| 03:46.57 | liable | why have you got two pci busid's? |
| 03:47.07 | abrotman | tv out ? |
| 03:47.10 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 03:47.20 | geo-rge | no, doesn't have tv out |
| 03:47.32 | abrotman | only one jack on the back? |
| 03:47.43 | geo-rge | it does have a dvi and a 15-pin |
| 03:47.52 | geo-rge | I use the dvi |
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| 03:48.18 | abrotman | which is which ... :) |
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| 03:48.37 | geo-rge | I dunno... how can I find out? and what about: |
| 03:48.45 | enouf | bintut: ok .. still grasping this naming nonsense/transitioning . confusion |
| 03:48.58 | geo-rge | (EE) fglrx(0): Given depth (16) is not supported by fglrx driver |
| 03:48.59 | geo-rge | (EE) fglrx(0): PreInitVisual failed |
| 03:49.15 | abrotman | use another! |
| 03:49.18 | abrotman | like 24 |
| 03:49.59 | dvs | geo-rge: Why does it have to be 16? |
| 03:50.18 | abrotman | make it 24! |
| 03:50.28 | dvs | no! 32! |
| 03:50.35 | geo-rge | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4912 |
| 03:50.43 | geo-rge | that's my screen section |
| 03:51.01 | geo-rge | well the one that was automatically written |
| 03:51.07 | dvs | geo-rge: Why is the DefaultDepth 16? |
| 03:51.26 | geo-rge | I dunno :) I think I picked that in the config |
| 03:51.34 | dvs | geo-rge: change it to 24 |
| 03:51.36 | dan2 | abrotman: time for some chinese food |
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| 03:51.44 | geo-rge | I'll try 32 |
| 03:51.54 | dvs | geo-rge: 32 isn't listed there |
| 03:52.03 | geo-rge | right, any idea why? |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | dan2: time for bed |
| 03:52.16 | abrotman | 24! |
| 03:52.28 | dvs | geo-rge: not supported? |
| 03:53.00 | abrotman | 24 24 24 24 24 24 |
| 03:53.03 | geo-rge | so dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg queries the device to see what's supported? |
| 03:53.22 | mbishop | Anyone have font troubles after a recent update? |
| 03:54.25 | geo-rge | and so, I should put default 24, and get rid of the busid line? or comment it out maybe? |
| 03:54.35 | dan2 | abrotman: if someone is in your blind spot, you're in the right lane and it ends ahead, and you have you're blinker on to get into the left lane. You accelerate and merge correct? |
| 03:54.54 | abrotman | dan2: probably not |
| 03:54.55 | geo-rge | mbishop: try getting the font packages installed again |
| 03:55.08 | dan2 | abrotman: I did so anyway |
| 03:55.09 | abrotman | dan2: you can't be sure the person will not accelerate |
| 03:55.25 | dan2 | abrotman: well I zoomed to 60 on a 40mph road |
| 03:55.26 | abrotman | dan2: whicn would mean you're going faster .. and running out of room |
| 03:55.32 | abrotman | wow .. a whole 60?!?! |
| 03:55.51 | dan2 | abrotman: the roads out there are horrible tonight bud |
| 03:56.00 | dvs | geo-rge: yes |
| 03:56.06 | dan2 | abrotman: at 5 pm I was driving to coatesville and I could barely see the white lines on 30 |
| 03:56.15 | abrotman | stop drinking |
| 03:56.25 | dan2 | abrotman: torrential down pur |
| 03:56.26 | dan2 | pour |
| 03:56.33 | geo-rge | of beer??! |
| 03:57.16 | abrotman | dan2: it's fine now .. dunno what your problem is :) |
| 03:57.25 | dan2 | abrotman: I said at 5pm |
| 03:57.26 | dan2 | not now |
| 03:57.29 | dan2 | it's fine now |
| 03:57.40 | dvs | and we're getting that rain tonight |
| 03:57.45 | dvs | sometime |
| 03:57.53 | abrotman | i figured out in the rich man's neighborhood the streets would be lit from below |
| 03:58.20 | liable | eh? |
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| 04:00.27 | geo-rge | When possible, this question has been pre-answered for you and you should accept the default unless you know it doesn't work. |
| 04:00.38 | geo-rge | Video card's bus identifier: PCI:1:0:0 |
| 04:00.45 | geo-rge | I could accept that... |
| 04:00.56 | dvs | geo-rge: leave it blank |
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| 04:02.40 | geo-rge | ok... let's try that... |
| 04:02.44 | geo-rge | bb |
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| 04:03.35 | geo-rge | that setting -seems- to have worked |
| 04:03.42 | geo-rge | let's see what the config file says... |
| 04:04.20 | geo-rge | device section says it's using fglrx driver |
| 04:05.12 | geo-rge | DefaultDepth 24 |
| 04:05.12 | mbishop | Anyone have font troubles after a recent update? |
| 04:05.12 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 04:05.12 | Azar | mbishop: what update? |
| 04:05.14 | Azar | dvs: you are one of them |
| 04:05.48 | Azar | ok what's the big deal with kernel 2.4 upgraded? I thought 2.4 is history? |
| 04:06.09 | geo-rge | maybe not to everyone |
| 04:06.15 | mbishop | Azar: I use debian unstable, just did a recent apt-get update/upgrade and now my fonts in KDE are all wonky |
| 04:06.20 | geo-rge | they're still working on 2.2 |
| 04:06.37 | Azar | mbishop: ahhhh the delights of the unstable instability |
| 04:07.06 | alexcamilo | i'm trying to run startx from an init bash script by typing the command " sudo -u kiosk startx &" when toe computer boots the command gets run but instead of the x server starting i see xauth: timeout in locking authority file /root/.Xauthority several times then it says user is not authorised to run the x server |
| 04:07.21 | geo-rge | the rendering is mesa indirect |
| 04:07.44 | abrotman | su -c - kiosk "startx" |
| 04:07.47 | geo-rge | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 04:07.48 | abrotman | or something like that |
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| 04:08.17 | liable | geo-rge: theres a fglrx wiki (or rage3d wiki it might be) mentions about the libGL fuckage symlinks |
| 04:08.17 | Azar | dvs what you got from Santa? |
| 04:08.36 | dvs | Azar: a wind up flashlight/radio (no kidding) |
| 04:08.50 | Azar | dvs: cool |
| 04:09.02 | dvs | Azar: good for camping I guess |
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| 04:09.31 | Azar | dvs: good thing it does not need batteries |
| 04:09.38 | dvs | yup |
| 04:10.09 | Azar | dvs I got a coffeemaker and a porn book |
| 04:10.23 | dvs | Azar: lucky you! |
| 04:10.30 | liable | heh, i hope your mum didnt give you the pr0n |
| 04:10.58 | Azar | yup, she did she told me I need to improve on my reading skills |
| 04:11.08 | liable | ... |
| 04:11.12 | dvs | heh |
| 04:11.29 | enouf | bintut: you know what happened? |
| 04:11.30 | Azar | man if the man pages would be written in a porn style imagine they would be read by each and every one |
| 04:11.39 | alexcamilo | "i read em for the articles.... i swear!" |
| 04:11.41 | liable | of course, everyone *reads* the articles in porno mags.. |
| 04:11.48 | enouf | you d/l the "kernel-image" which is a trnasition pkg only http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 04:12.14 | Azar | enouf: kernel-image or linux-image? |
| 04:12.14 | bintut | enouf: and that means..? |
| 04:12.19 | enouf | bintut: which contains only reeally the changelog files and such |
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| 04:12.39 | enouf | bintut: the newewr naming convention uses "linux"-image |
| 04:12.42 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 04:12.51 | bintut | ah.. |
| 04:13.07 | bintut | really confusing.. :( |
| 04:13.09 | dvs | and even that is a pseudo package |
| 04:13.11 | enouf | Irony? .. I knew that though :-? |
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| 04:13.27 | alexcamilo | is there any reason why running "startx" when logged in works but running "sudo -u user startx" when logged in as root does not work? |
| 04:13.46 | dvs | alexcamilo: by default, root isn't allowed to run X |
| 04:13.51 | dvs | for security reasons |
| 04:13.58 | abrotman | alexcamilo: su -c - kiosk "startx" |
| 04:14.03 | alexcamilo | ah |
| 04:14.03 | Azar | wow something nice: "Nouveau is a community project that is working on producing open-source 3D display drivers for NVIDIA's graphics cards" |
| 04:14.08 | abrotman | alexcamilo: or something like that |
| 04:14.09 | liable | ya, add the - |
| 04:14.12 | alexcamilo | whats the difference between the 2 commands? |
| 04:14.14 | enouf | dvs .. it seems so .. but how can the "transition" image have a "depends" upon the linux-image .. yet not actuallly d/l the pkg .. weird |
| 04:14.21 | abrotman | alexcamilo: mine works betterer! |
| 04:14.31 | alexcamilo | ah. just curious |
| 04:14.35 | dvs | enouf: true. That's a mystery. |
| 04:14.42 | Cyis | I think I need a newer version of the nvidia video driver |
| 04:14.42 | abrotman | alexcamilo: the man page for 'su' should explain it to you |
| 04:14.46 | alexcamilo | ah ok |
| 04:14.53 | Azar | isn't suppose to run X only in user mode? |
| 04:15.01 | enouf | !debmysteries |
| 04:15.06 | enouf | :-) |
| 04:15.24 | Azar | Cyis: why so? |
| 04:15.49 | Cyis | Azar: beryl gives me the message "beryl: GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is missing" when I start it... |
| 04:16.16 | Azar | geeee never heard of beryl |
| 04:16.16 | geo-rge | liable: one sec... posting another log |
| 04:16.20 | abrotman | holy crap .. the yellow power ranger is dead |
| 04:16.28 | Cyis | and glxinfo doesn't show that extension available |
| 04:16.29 | dvs | damn! |
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| 04:16.39 | enouf | dvs bintut must be the way they're phasing out the k7/k8 naming conventions .. start here and only click the depends to see http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
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| 04:16.50 | Azar | Nouveau is not affiliated with NVIDIA Corporation and is an X.Org Foundation project - this sounds nice |
| 04:16.53 | dvs | abrotman: who's next? James Brown? |
| 04:16.54 | liable | Cyis: where you get beryl from? |
| 04:17.01 | abrotman | dvs: oddly .. no |
| 04:17.22 | dvs | abrotman: guess again |
| 04:17.27 | Azar | liable what is beryl ? |
| 04:17.30 | enouf | dvs: bintut it takes TWO separatedepends to get to the newer Package: linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 (2.6.18-7) |
| 04:17.32 | abrotman | dvs: he's already dead! |
| 04:17.37 | liable | Azar: fork of compiz |
| 04:17.42 | abrotman | dvs: i was reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_27_Club .. and he's on there :) |
| 04:17.44 | Azar | liable: ah.. thanks |
| 04:17.54 | bintut | enouf: yeah.. |
| 04:17.56 | Cyis | liable: from www.linux.lk |
| 04:18.01 | liable | Cyis: oh |
| 04:18.02 | enouf | and I dont mean old man diapers :-P |
| 04:18.21 | enouf | more absorbtion when using two at a time |
| 04:18.21 | Cyis | liable: But seems I need the 9xxx series driver and only 8774 is in Etch |
| 04:18.29 | geo-rge | AANNNDD heeerrreee is the new log: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4913 |
| 04:18.30 | enouf | bintut: :-) |
| 04:18.42 | liable | Cyis: the new nvidia ones that do aiglx? |
| 04:18.43 | abrotman | geo-rge: the ati driver in xorg sohuld work with this |
| 04:18.52 | Azar | Cyis: feast your eyes, the project is not ready yet : http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=614&num=1 |
| 04:18.53 | abrotman | liable: it's supposed to .. for 9xxx cards or some crap |
| 04:18.56 | Cyis | this time I tried installing the "debian way" and not just getting the self-installer from nvidia.com |
| 04:18.57 | enouf | bintut: you have to laugh bout this stuff .. atleast once you have it working :-) |
| 04:19.23 | geo-rge | abrotman: they do, for 2d |
| 04:19.26 | enouf | Bob Barker ? |
| 04:19.30 | bintut | enouf: yeah.. i'm actually waiting my download to finish and then i will reboot my system.. :) |
| 04:19.36 | Cyis | liable: yes... apparently aiglx didn't make it into 8774 which added the xorg 7.1 support |
| 04:19.41 | liable | warney gets 700! |
| 04:19.46 | abrotman | geo-rge: you lie! |
| 04:19.46 | enouf | bintut: oh .. poor bintut .. dialup? |
| 04:20.02 | enouf | !slap geo-rge |
| 04:20.04 | geo-rge | no, the drivers do work |
| 04:20.07 | Cyis | Azar: I'm all for an open-source solution for nvidia cards... |
| 04:20.26 | abrotman | bah .. stupid card |
| 04:20.26 | geo-rge | but nvidia and microsoft are not |
| 04:20.31 | Azar | I hope when is ready Debian gets it too |
| 04:20.35 | abrotman | this will teach you not to buy nvidia! |
| 04:20.59 | abrotman | erm .. Intel |
| 04:20.59 | dvs | Buy ATI... em... AMD! |
| 04:20.59 | enouf | Support the OpenPCI (or somesuch) card |
| 04:20.59 | geo-rge | I din't buy nvidia or intel :P |
| 04:21.05 | abrotman | intel! |
| 04:21.06 | geo-rge | I did buy ati |
| 04:21.08 | bintut | enouf: nope. i'm currently renting a connection from a local internet cafe using my laptop and i'm sync'ing my debian amd64 mirror to my external usb hdd for offline repository.. :) |
| 04:21.12 | enouf | !slap intel |
| 04:21.31 | liable | ohnos, lets not start about intel again! |
| 04:21.34 | Azar | I only use nvidia/amd nothing else |
| 04:21.41 | abrotman | liable: look .. a sheep! |
| 04:21.42 | enouf | bintut: well .. I doubt you have great d/l speed :-P |
| 04:21.49 | liable | abrotman: moo! |
| 04:21.51 | Azar | :) |
| 04:21.56 | enouf | liable: look .. an aussie |
| 04:22.04 | bintut | enouf: average of 50kbps here. |
| 04:22.06 | Azar | aussie, sheeps.. |
| 04:22.09 | liable | enouf: buuuurp |
| 04:22.11 | enouf | !baaaa |
| 04:22.14 | abrotman | !baa |
| 04:22.14 | dpkg | baa is probably the sound a sheep makes |
| 04:22.22 | Cyis | abrotman: what is a viable dual-head Intel card? |
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| 04:22.27 | Azar | maaaa |
| 04:22.31 | geo-rge | soo... any new info gained from this new log? |
| 04:22.32 | liable | you guys need to learn about who likes sheep |
| 04:22.32 | abrotman | Cyis: how many heads do you have? |
| 04:22.44 | geo-rge | 256? |
| 04:22.52 | enouf | meh .. you're all a bunch of goat-taker-advantage-of-ers |
| 04:22.52 | Azar | liable: new zeelanders? |
| 04:22.56 | Cyis | abrotman: I bought the nvidia card to support two monitors... |
| 04:23.01 | abrotman | Cyis: i'm not even sure you can get an intel card with DVI |
| 04:23.14 | abrotman | Cyis: in that case .. i'd have gone matrox :) |
| 04:23.15 | enouf | ahh .. A Tatra-hedron |
| 04:23.20 | liable | Azar: yes |
| 04:23.21 | enouf | tetra.. |
| 04:23.41 | geo-rge | a hedonist with tatoos? |
| 04:23.59 | enouf | haven't been there in quite a while :-) |
| 04:25.39 | enouf | Somebody please point me to an Intel "Video card" |
| 04:25.44 | geo-rge | cmon now... you're behind the times! the new log is at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4913 ! step right up! |
| 04:26.20 | abrotman | enouf: they're just attached to a sound card and cpu socket and memory controller etc |
| 04:26.39 | enouf | geo-rge: 1st error (EE) fglrx(0): Hardware has already been locked. |
| 04:26.52 | abrotman | do you have the key ? |
| 04:26.58 | enouf | 2nd (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 04:27.05 | abrotman | that's because of the first |
| 04:27.13 | geo-rge | what's that mean... that I do the unload/unload/load thing? |
| 04:27.13 | abrotman | more than likely anyways |
| 04:27.22 | liable | ignore the aiglx errors |
| 04:27.22 | enouf | abrotman: that's called "onboard" |
| 04:27.36 | abrotman | enouf: it's a video card! .. don't let them fool you |
| 04:27.38 | Cyis | enouf: my Intel video card at work supported AIGLX without a problem out of the box |
| 04:27.46 | abrotman | Cyis: me too :) |
| 04:27.53 | enouf | abrotman: just like onboard Sound .. it sucks |
| 04:28.01 | enouf | abrotman: and winmodems |
| 04:28.12 | geo-rge | focus, people! I have a ati caird! |
| 04:28.20 | Cyis | guess I need to go apt pinning... seems the 9xxx nvidia driver is in the dreaded abyss that is experimental :) |
| 04:28.21 | abrotman | enouf: really .. how come my 3d just works and geo-rge is pissing away xmas fucking with binary drivers to get it ? |
| 04:28.21 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:28.22 | enouf | which are actual cards .. but do emulation to function |
| 04:28.35 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 04:28.37 | enouf | abrotman: b/c your 3d sucks? |
| 04:28.49 | abrotman | enouf: working is better than non-working .. isn't it ? |
| 04:28.58 | enouf | abrotman: 2D always works |
| 04:29.06 | abrotman | enouf: i have 3d ... |
| 04:29.13 | enouf | so what? |
| 04:29.16 | abrotman | geo-rge does not |
| 04:29.21 | Cyis | just need to pin the nvidia-* packages |
| 04:29.23 | abrotman | whose card sucks ? |
| 04:29.24 | Azar | me too I have 3d |
| 04:29.28 | geo-rge | abrotman: will there be fries with your bucket? |
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| 04:29.35 | abrotman | geo-rge: poutine |
| 04:29.35 | geo-rge | -grin- |
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| 04:29.48 | abrotman | karsten: I GOT A PONY .. GIVE IT BACK! |
| 04:29.55 | abrotman | !nopony karsten |
| 04:29.55 | dpkg | karsten: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 04:30.02 | Azar | hehe |
| 04:30.07 | enouf | bleh .. I was telling you to /join windows and guess what I did inadvertantly .. yep joined windows |
| 04:30.14 | abrotman | karsten: ever seen 'Top Secret!' ? |
| 04:30.29 | Azar | where on the pony behind? |
| 04:30.32 | karsten | abrotman: Not sure. |
| 04:30.46 | abrotman | karsten: val kilmer .. zucker zucker abrams movie |
| 04:30.55 | abrotman | karsten: spy spoof movie |
| 04:31.06 | geo-rge | I'm not sure I understand... the errors suggest it could work? |
| 04:31.16 | abrotman | geo-rge: the errors suggest something else is taking the AGP |
| 04:31.24 | karsten | abrotman: I think I'm confusing it with "Spys Like Us" |
| 04:31.30 | karsten | abrotman: Which would suggest I haven't seen it. |
| 04:31.32 | geo-rge | like a frame buffer? |
| 04:31.36 | abrotman | karsten: 'Doctor, do you concur?" |
| 04:32.03 | Azar | a question to the community: binary or non-binary drivers? what is more favored with Debian? |
| 04:32.11 | enouf | geo-rge: you HAVE seen http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html right? |
| 04:32.13 | abrotman | depends on the person .. |
| 04:32.24 | enouf | !fb |
| 04:32.24 | dpkg | fb are floot bloppies, or , but shouldn't it be foot-bloppies?, or framebuffer (a graphicsmode (in terms of vga video memory addressing) for text), or fluxbox |
| 04:32.27 | Azar | abrotman: ah democracy.. ok |
| 04:32.29 | abrotman | Azar: i'd rather have drivers that just work .. none of this m-a crap |
| 04:32.32 | enouf | !framebuffer |
| 04:32.32 | dpkg | framebuffer is probably a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. <blacklist> to negate it. |
| 04:32.50 | abrotman | shouldn't that be floot boppies ? |
| 04:32.51 | geo-rge | enouf: no, or at least not today |
| 04:32.52 | enouf | mah .. looking for say NO like Nancy reagonmics |
| 04:32.56 | Azar | the m-a worked for me.. maybe lucky hardware |
| 04:33.12 | Azar | float boobies? |
| 04:33.18 | abrotman | Azar: it works for quite a good number of things .. but it's just an extra step i'd rather not do |
| 04:33.20 | enouf | abrotman: fix it! |
| 04:33.25 | enouf | !fix abrotman |
| 04:33.27 | karsten | abrotman: Either I never saw it ... |
| 04:33.30 | geo-rge | oh, boot-floppies... really hard to maintain... should die today if not dead already... |
| 04:33.33 | abrotman | enouf: fix what ? |
| 04:33.34 | karsten | abrotman: ... or those were *really* good drugs. |
| 04:33.39 | enouf | floopies |
| 04:33.42 | abrotman | karsten: hehe |
| 04:33.49 | karsten | Azar: Spec'd source |
| 04:33.50 | deadcat | can someone test out debootstrap command for me please. its giving me error. |
| 04:33.52 | abrotman | !floopies |
| 04:34.09 | geo-rge | deadcat: is that anything like gas? |
| 04:34.25 | karsten | deadcat: IIRC you need to specify absolute path at some point. |
| 04:34.27 | geo-rge | if so... just fart! |
| 04:34.33 | karsten | deadcat: Paste. What error? |
| 04:34.45 | deadcat | karsten: root@hades:/# debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 04:35.04 | enouf | deadcat: try umount /proc then run again |
| 04:35.05 | deadcat | karsten: error comes after the extraction. when it tries to chroot and mount /proc |
| 04:35.13 | karsten | deadcat: And the error? |
| 04:35.21 | enouf | deadcat: or make sure it is NOT mounted when you run that command |
| 04:35.25 | deadcat | karsten: i am re-running debootstrap |
| 04:35.38 | deadcat | enouf: /proc in the chroot or the orig /proc? |
| 04:36.07 | enouf | deadcat: it seems the script thinks that /proc is already mounted or somesuch |
| 04:36.09 | deadcat | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 04:36.34 | deadcat | enouf: can i umount /proc outside the chroot? (= |
| 04:36.35 | geo-rge | enouf: that link (http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html) is relative to which dist of debian? |
| 04:36.41 | karsten | deadcat: No. |
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| 04:36.46 | deadcat | doh |
| 04:37.01 | karsten | deadcat: You can mount /proc multiple times |
| 04:37.11 | enouf | deadcat: IIRC .. you'll likley have to edit the script causing that .. wherever it is .. and either umount /proc .. or change/alter the syntax which "seems" correct |
| 04:37.21 | karsten | deadcat: Check the parts of that command. Does the chroot work? Does /proc exist within hte chroot? Dooes the 'mount' command exist within the chroot? |
| 04:37.26 | enouf | Kage`: not at the ssaame /mnt/point ?? |
| 04:37.32 | enouf | karma: |
| 04:37.35 | enouf | bah! |
| 04:37.38 | Kage` | Hai2u |
| 04:37.39 | enouf | karsten: |
| 04:37.43 | karsten | enouf: Yeah? |
| 04:37.48 | deadcat | karsten: the chroot works. but df doesnt show /proc mounted.. because it wont mount |
| 04:37.50 | enouf | Hi ya Kage` :-) |
| 04:37.54 | Kage` | Just tab through every 'k' |
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| 04:38.02 | enouf | karsten: not at the ssaame /mnt/point ?? |
| 04:38.07 | karsten | deadcat: cat /proc/mounts *OUTSIDE* the chroot. How many times is /proc listed?] |
| 04:38.28 | karsten | enouf: No, not at the same mount point. But if you have /proc and /chroot/proc, you're fine. |
| 04:38.42 | enouf | deadcat: chroot /mnt/mntpoint /bin/sh |
| 04:38.44 | geo-rge | enouf: that link (http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html) is relative to which dist of debian? |
| 04:38.44 | deadcat | karsten: i only have proc /proc proc rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec 0 0 |
| 04:38.48 | flamesrock_ | I have a question about monitors: Is it good to set the gamma to high or low? |
| 04:38.59 | enouf | geo-rge: I dunno .. read it and find out :-) |
| 04:39.01 | karsten | deadcat: chroot and try mounting proc manually, inside the chroot. |
| 04:39.11 | geo-rge | also, why bring me to that link in the first place? what was your reasoning? |
| 04:39.25 | enouf | geo-rge: I just save relevant bookmarks till I can read them all .. |
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| 04:39.54 | enouf | geo-rge: it seems quite relevant .. don't ya think? |
| 04:40.12 | enouf | if not .. I need more liquor |
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| 04:40.36 | unseensoul | hi |
| 04:40.48 | enouf | geo-rge: I have no ati cards to play with .. and many ppl ahve posted that site as a refernece over time |
| 04:40.50 | deadcat | karsten: mount: permission denied |
| 04:41.00 | enouf | !wake-up geo-rge |
| 04:41.09 | deadcat | enouf: i get perm denied on mount |
| 04:41.17 | deadcat | inside the chroot |
| 04:41.17 | enouf | r00t! |
| 04:41.44 | enouf | deadcat: well .. I'm just guessing friom the error message anyway |
| 04:42.08 | enouf | deadcat: though I can successfully chroot on my system |
| 04:42.09 | geo-rge | so what it it relevent to? that's all I'm asking, I'd like to save myself time chasing down things I've already covered or that aren't relevent to me... I'm happy to read... did you read my log? |
| 04:42.24 | deadcat | enouf: me too. it just wont let me run mount |
| 04:42.27 | enouf | geo-rge: relevant to DEBAIN and ATI drivers |
| 04:42.34 | geo-rge | !debain |
| 04:42.34 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 04:42.40 | geo-rge | :P |
| 04:42.48 | enouf | bastage |
| 04:42.54 | schme | I hate that debain.org site |
| 04:42.56 | geo-rge | gotcha :) |
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| 04:43.53 | enouf | geo-rge: 'startx -- -logverbose 9' .. enjoy the pain :-P |
| 04:44.18 | geo-rge | I could post that log |
| 04:44.53 | geo-rge | just remember :P you asked :P |
| 04:45.08 | enouf | geo-rge: no worries... I won't be looking :-P |
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| 04:45.25 | Cyis | well I'll brb |
| 04:45.30 | enouf | so cannot help |
| 04:45.52 | enouf | Cyis C U .. abrotman.. smite me |
| 04:45.53 | geo-rge | well I know you at least don't have the card I do |
| 04:45.54 | alexcamilo | i'm having a problem with an init script. in the script i use the command "su user -c startx" of the user i want to start the x server for. When i CD to the init.d directory and run the script manually as root it works perfectly. When The init script runs on boot it says that the user is not allowed to start an x server. |
| 04:45.59 | clearscreen | is it normal for ALSA to support just one 'output' at a time? |
| 04:46.05 | enouf | bitch |
| 04:46.12 | enouf | :-) |
| 04:46.46 | geo-rge | !bitchslap enouf |
| 04:46.53 | geo-rge | hey, it worky! |
| 04:47.09 | enouf | gets up promptly and kicks geo-rge 's @$$ :-) |
| 04:47.37 | geo-rge | !topicsmite enouf |
| 04:47.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon enouf. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 04:47.48 | enouf | alexcamilo: Xserver runs as root .. I think |
| 04:48.03 | enouf | !lart geo-rge |
| 04:48.06 | clearscreen | guys, I've been reading that ALSA supports multiple channels and OSS does not, but I can't seem to get sound from multiple channels at the same time, how come? |
| 04:48.16 | clearscreen | I am running alsa. |
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| 04:48.37 | alexcamilo | so when a user starts the x server by typing the comand startx it really starts as root? |
| 04:48.39 | enouf | where's Guerin for those "special" dpkg statements when you nee him |
| 04:48.41 | geo-rge | I wonder if that's because a plain user cannot start x while system is booting |
| 04:49.02 | geo-rge | !be barbie on wars |
| 04:49.02 | enouf | alexcamilo: ps aux | grep x |
| 04:49.10 | ndowens | hey does anyone know where i can find an article on how to keep debian from loading modules you don't need, i am searching google for debian modules but i am not running into it yet |
| 04:49.19 | nick255 | do you mean just stereo? what are you trying to do? |
| 04:49.41 | Azar | alexcamilo: it is advised not to use X as root |
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| 04:50.08 | enouf | alexcamilo: you prolly need to export XAUTHORITY=~/.Xauthority in that script or somesuch |
| 04:50.10 | geo-rge | looks like he's not trying to do that |
| 04:50.42 | geo-rge | he wants to run xserver as someuser |
| 04:50.43 | alexcamilo | but its running as the user because of the su user -c startx command. isnt that running it as the user? or am i interpreting the command wrong |
| 04:50.43 | enouf | !knoppixsmite geo-rge |
| 04:51.10 | enouf | alexcamilo: su/sudo has some special considerations .. too complex for me |
| 04:51.16 | alexcamilo | ahh |
| 04:51.18 | geo-rge | I bet you had to go to your second braincell to remember that :P |
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| 04:52.12 | geo-rge | careful... not that many in reserve :) |
| 04:52.58 | Cyis | hmm... got nvidia 9631 but I've lost the title bars on all my windows |
| 04:53.20 | geo-rge | seriously... I'll look thru it, try to go to the latest version and see if that helps me |
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| 04:53.45 | geo-rge | enouf: thanks for the link; I will look thru it |
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| 04:54.09 | enouf | geo-rge: that was my "reasoning" :-) |
| 04:54.25 | enouf | alexcamilo: ps ax | grep X .. see what I mean? |
| 04:54.37 | geo-rge | that I'd do trial-and-error on it... no problem, not much else to do :P |
| 04:54.54 | alexcamilo | lemme run that when the comp finishes rebooting |
| 04:55.19 | alexcamilo | i'm gonna guess. its gonna show x running as root? |
| 04:55.56 | enouf | geo-rge: I don;t think debian would allow a "debian-official" to exist in the URL if it wasn't "relevant" |
| 04:56.16 | geo-rge | yeah, there must be something to it |
| 04:56.26 | enouf | geo-rge: though they can't police the world |
| 04:56.44 | geo-rge | but they can whirl the police! |
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| 04:57.02 | enouf | !ponybehind the policia |
| 04:57.23 | geo-rge | !pony cop |
| 04:57.52 | geo-rge | he'll have to saw off the front part himself :P |
| 04:58.37 | geo-rge | I wonder if I have the radeon/ati driver AND fglrx |
| 04:59.23 | enouf | !polopony enouf |
| 04:59.31 | enouf | !polopony |
| 04:59.31 | dpkg | enalrges the "String of po-lop-onies" collection |
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| 05:00.20 | geo-rge | should I -not- load module dri? |
| 05:02.18 | Azar | aha! Cyis look here: Intel, Marvell, Texas Instruments and Broadcom, though separate and competing entities, seem by one consent to prevent non-Microsoft operating systems from working properly with some of their most widely-used network chips.." |
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| 05:02.38 | sid | What can I use on my debian box to identify windows executables. |
| 05:02.52 | Octalthorpe | "Identify"? |
| 05:02.54 | sid | ie, known windows malicious code, via hashing/signatures/patterns of the file |
| 05:02.55 | Octalthorpe | file? |
| 05:02.58 | Octalthorpe | Oh. |
| 05:03.00 | Octalthorpe | clamav? |
| 05:03.40 | geo-rge | Octalthorpe: dey hab .exe on end of fule name |
| 05:03.53 | Octalthorpe | Thanks, geo-rge. |
| 05:04.08 | Azar | dey ho? |
| 05:04.17 | buu | Cute. |
| 05:05.09 | geo-rge | seriously, try to not accept any attachments |
| 05:05.43 | geo-rge | aside from that, don't run windows... problem solved... |
| 05:05.44 | geo-rge | OR |
| 05:05.53 | geo-rge | don't get mail from any windows client |
| 05:06.04 | sid | haha |
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| 05:06.36 | geo-rge | err, don't use any win mail clients... ironically, if you use win, you lose |
| 05:06.58 | ndowens | ok i entered the modules i wanted/needed loaded at boot, but it still is loading modules i don't need/want |
| 05:07.05 | ndowens | into /etc/modules |
| 05:07.17 | nick255 | i remember typing win to start windows 3.1. so much fun. |
| 05:07.20 | geo-rge | edit /etc/modules? |
| 05:07.36 | geo-rge | !lose win |
| 05:07.36 | dpkg | win: You Lose. |
| 05:07.41 | ndowens | geo-rge: yup, typed in the modules i want/need and still is loading non-needed and ran update-modules |
| 05:07.51 | nick255 | i think you can blacklist modules in modprobe.d |
| 05:07.52 | enouf | sid: there are a GAZILLION exts that can do harm to the "house-o-cards-windoofus" .. use Clamav and Spamassassin .. maybe even mimedefang for email |
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| 05:08.13 | |pepo| | hi friends |
| 05:08.47 | |pepo| | I have devices disabled by ACPI... how do I enable these devices? |
| 05:08.50 | |pepo| | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:04:07.0 disabled |
| 05:08.53 | enouf | nick255: win /d:n for safe mode .. er IIRC |
| 05:09.00 | |pepo| | ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:14.0 disabled |
| 05:09.12 | enouf | !blacklist |
| 05:09.12 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 05:09.35 | ndowens | geo-rge: i am in etch |
| 05:09.42 | ndowens | o nm lol |
| 05:09.43 | enouf | |pepo|: 1st .. change your nick |
| 05:09.54 | enouf | 2nd Enable acpi |
| 05:09.54 | |pepo| | why my nick? |
| 05:10.02 | resistance | how does wget work? |
| 05:10.09 | geo-rge | pretty good |
| 05:10.09 | enouf | because a pipe sucks shit |
| 05:10.23 | enouf | for a nick |
| 05:10.58 | geo-rge | that depends on where the pipe is and the amount of reverse pressure applied from the other end |
| 05:11.21 | enouf | !nickometer |pipe| |
| 05:11.22 | dpkg | '|pipe|' is 26.000% lame, enouf |
| 05:11.30 | _pepo_ | how do I enable acpi? -> apt-get install acpid |
| 05:11.40 | geo-rge | if it's forward pressure, all else being equal, it blows shit bubbles :) |
| 05:11.45 | enouf | cat /etc/cmdline |
| 05:12.30 | _pepo_ | ¿? |
| 05:12.35 | enouf | I am NOT using the SHIFY key to start a nickname |
| 05:12.58 | _pepo_ | how do I enable acpi? -> apt-get install acpid |
| 05:13.01 | enouf | much better dildo |
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| 05:13.12 | enouf | cat /etc/cmdline |
| 05:13.36 | enouf | cat /proc/cmdline .. doh |
| 05:14.06 | geo-rge | I guess that could be the kernel cmd line |
| 05:14.31 | _pepo_ | cat /proc/cmdline := root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 05:14.34 | enouf | geo-rge: you're too fast for me |
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| 05:14.51 | geo-rge | for process commandlines, maybe there's /proc/<somePid>/cmdline |
| 05:15.27 | enouf | make it --> root=/dev/sda2 ro acpi=force <-- in your grub shell or your /menu.lst |
| 05:16.01 | geo-rge | if you use grub |
| 05:16.01 | enouf | geo-rge: look into that for us .. would'jah? |
| 05:16.24 | enouf | geo-rge: if you don;t .. go trolling some 2.4 forums |
| 05:16.38 | enouf | geo-rge: <jk> |
| 05:17.10 | geo-rge | I haven't had time to get familiar with 2.6 |
| 05:17.38 | enouf | LiLo was awesome .. but locked into the 1024 thing and then also a "specific" block on the HDD .. though I can't take vm crap |
| 05:17.55 | _pepo_ | and that's all do my devices will be enabled |
| 05:18.12 | enouf | geo-rge: start here http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/hal/hal/doc/spec/hal-spec.html?content-type=text%2Fplain&view=co bwahahahah |
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| 05:18.16 | enouf | +as |
| 05:18.52 | geo-rge | GumbyBRAIN's got your tongue? |
| 05:18.57 | enouf | you asked how to enable acpi .. and I told you |
| 05:19.03 | ndowens | so i do "blacklist MODULE" in the file run update-modules and it shouldn't load auto |
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| 05:19.28 | geo-rge | well, look carefully at how all that is set up |
| 05:19.55 | geo-rge | you may have missed a detail or two |
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| 05:20.28 | Azar | so ok as I am set looks fine, the only thing I have to do is learn how to burn data to CDs |
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| 05:21.00 | Azar | I got backups and have no idea how to burn them |
| 05:21.38 | ndowens | Azar: cdrecord dev=CDBURNERLOCATION speed=x -data FILE |
| 05:21.40 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.43 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.46 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.49 | Azar | oh dam sorry |
| 05:21.53 | Cyis | hmm.. found my title bars with Bery.... needed to click on the "Disable GL Yield Setting" |
| 05:22.04 | ndowens | Azar: like mine, cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd speed=8 -data /home/ndowens/FILE |
| 05:22.12 | ndowens | thats how mine is |
| 05:22.24 | Azar | ah cool thanks ndowens |
| 05:22.52 | ndowens | Azar: welcome |
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| 05:23.28 | alexcamilo | sorry, i'm still unclear as to why my script works in some cases and not in others. I'm trying to put the equivilent of a specific user running "startx" into a shell script and have it run when the computer starts up "su user -c startx". but X wont start unless i run the script directly on the computer using the shell on the screen. i cant run the script remotley via ssh and it wont run on bootup (says user cant start x) |
| 05:23.48 | alexcamilo | oops |
| 05:23.53 | alexcamilo | wrong channel |
| 05:24.19 | alexcamilo | no wait, my bad. correct channel. |
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| 05:24.37 | Azar | hehe we know that alexcamilo you are still at it |
| 05:24.47 | wookienz | hi guys, where are ttf's located on Sarge? |
| 05:25.04 | _pepo_ | ok I will try acpi=force |
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| 05:25.19 | geo-rge | alexcamilo: why not let the user just log in? but... it's probably because the vt is in use and owned by some other user as you su |
| 05:25.48 | Azar | alexcamilo: I am a newbie but one thing I know: as root ( or su - having root privileges ) X can't be run. Is a security issue |
| 05:26.29 | Azar | root is for administrative tasks that don't require X. |
| 05:26.33 | alexcamilo | geo: the thing will have no keyboard. only a pointing device |
| 05:26.41 | Azar | crap |
| 05:26.53 | Azar | get a keyboard |
| 05:26.59 | geo-rge | alexcamilo: that may or may not work... |
| 05:27.22 | geo-rge | you ight have to write a null-keyboard module for x |
| 05:27.46 | ndowens | Azar: did u get it to burn cds? |
| 05:27.48 | Azar | yea or an on-screen keyboard like webtv has |
| 05:28.01 | alexcamilo | is there a way to get the login program that starts to not start? |
| 05:28.08 | alexcamilo | the text based login program. |
| 05:28.19 | Azar | ndowens: working on it, searching to see which dev is my cd, and whether I got cdrecord installed |
| 05:28.53 | ndowens | is it the only cdrom/cdrw drive u have |
| 05:29.01 | ndowens | Azar: ^ |
| 05:29.12 | Azar | yea, small box |
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| 05:29.28 | ndowens | Azar: it may be /dev/hdc as a guess |
| 05:29.30 | medc | hello good night |
| 05:29.43 | Azar | dam is a dvd-rw, never checked it |
| 05:29.47 | medc | i need some advice.. i am kinda new in debain and i am looking for a web page maker tool |
| 05:29.50 | medc | anyone? |
| 05:29.51 | ndowens | my cdrw is hdc and my dvdrw is hdd |
| 05:30.16 | wookienz | hi, i run my debian box from CLI only, i am trying to use jpgraph to gegeenrate graphs but it erroring with the fact that it can find arial.ttf. Can i install it? what package is it? is this ttf a function of the X system which i dont run? |
| 05:30.18 | ndowens | medc: bluefish, quanta or u could use a text editor if you know html |
| 05:30.26 | Azar | err where is fstab located? |
| 05:30.35 | ndowens | Azar: /etc/fstab |
| 05:30.39 | medc | ndowens, which is more stable? |
| 05:30.51 | ndowens | medc: do u know html? |
| 05:31.27 | Azar | ndowens: dam is /dev/cdrom |
| 05:31.34 | Azar | not good not goooood |
| 05:31.35 | medc | ndowens, a little |
| 05:31.54 | ndowens | medc: i ususally just use a text editor b/c i use xhtml/css i don't like html editors much |
| 05:32.02 | geo-rge | brb... |
| 05:32.26 | ndowens | Azar: do this, put a cd in the drive, and do mount /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 05:32.28 | Azar | ndowens: I guess the system named my dvd-rw as cdrom |
| 05:32.33 | ndowens | Azar: if /cdrom is the mount point |
| 05:32.40 | Azar | ok |
| 05:32.44 | medc | ndowens, any good page to learn html fast and good? |
| 05:32.51 | ndowens | Azar: it will do that, but it will also do the regular linux naming |
| 05:33.25 | Azar | ndowens: I vaguely remember I renamed the /cdrom on an old box to /hdc back when I was using woody |
| 05:33.38 | ndowens | medc: i like w3schools.org i think it is, once you learn html, try xhtml it isn't really any harder, it is just more correct so pages generally will look fine in other browsers if it is done right |
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| 05:34.07 | ndowens | Azar: u don't have to rename the device in /dev, just have to change /dev/cdrom to /dev/hdc in fstab |
| 05:35.38 | medc | ndowens, thnks dude |
| 05:36.02 | Azar | ndowens: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 05:36.16 | Azar | ah ok |
| 05:36.22 | ndowens | Azar: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 05:37.20 | Azar | !paster |
| 05:37.21 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 05:38.20 | ndowens | Azar: is it working |
| 05:38.22 | medc | ndowens, this is the page w3schools.org??? |
| 05:38.53 | ndowens | medc: i think so, u can search google for w3schools |
| 05:39.01 | Azar | ndowens: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4915 |
| 05:39.22 | ndowens | medc: actually w3schools.com |
| 05:39.26 | Azar | medc: this is a debian-specific channels, we don't know about html |
| 05:40.21 | Azar | I like better to install debian than try burn a CD I am so bad at this |
| 05:40.28 | ndowens | Azar: what kind of cd did u put in |
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| 05:41.00 | Azar | ndowens: a blank fuji CD-R All purpose 700MB |
| 05:41.19 | gb | Any hints on fixing the cookiehandler for sid? |
| 05:41.32 | ndowens | Azar: that is why, it needs a cd that has data on it to mount |
| 05:41.55 | Azar | errr, data? I need to do backups on blank CDs |
| 05:42.04 | Azar | ah you mean format? |
| 05:42.26 | ndowens | Azar: i know, but i mean to try and make sure /dev/hdc is the cd burner, load a cd that has data on it to see if it mounts |
| 05:42.41 | Azar | ah ok |
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| 05:44.01 | Azar | mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 05:44.14 | Azar | thats a cd where I did some mswin apps backups |
| 05:44.17 | ndowens | did it work? |
| 05:44.30 | Azar | nope |
| 05:44.37 | enouf | Azar: cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 05:44.40 | ndowens | Azar: it didn't mount? |
| 05:45.22 | Azar | nope, look up |
| 05:45.41 | nima | apt-spy has the highest concentration of usefulness of any program |
| 05:45.50 | ndowens | Azar: do what enouf said to do |
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| 05:46.54 | Cyis | calling it a nite... later guys |
| 05:47.06 | wakejagr | i have an etch install w/ a 2.6.17 debian kernel, and recently started using udev. for some reason, udev softlinks ln -s /dev/hdd /dev/cdrom for my cd burner and ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom1 for my dvd-rom drive. i've got scripts (and habits) that want /dev/cdrom to refer to the dvd-rom drive, so i'd like to change the softlinks that udev creates. i found the udev.rules file, but there are no references to cdrom drives that i can tell. it seems to |
| 05:47.15 | gb | mm apt-spy, wots that? |
| 05:47.16 | ndowens | Azar: what did that command show? |
| 05:47.50 | nima | gb, it checks all the debian mirrors and picks the fastest one |
| 05:47.50 | ndowens | wakejagr: u could do it in fstab |
| 05:47.54 | nima | So simple, but so nice |
| 05:48.02 | ndowens | wakejagr: where to mount it and stuff |
| 05:48.13 | gb | ahh ok I remember now |
| 05:48.38 | enouf | obviouslt a 2.4.x kernel .. so hwinfo --cdrom |
| 05:49.04 | nima | gb :-P |
| 05:49.38 | nima | The really fast ones can be hard to find |
| 05:49.40 | Azar | ndowens: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4916 |
| 05:50.06 | gb | nima: Better off using an isp that has a local mirror or apt-proxy properly configured I think |
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| 05:50.46 | nima | gb, should I bug AT&T to mirror debian? |
| 05:51.06 | buu | nima: Yes. |
| 05:51.10 | gb | nima: nah shift too a decent isp :P |
| 05:51.36 | nima | :-P It would be cool if AT&T did, though |
| 05:52.14 | wakejagr | ndowens: yeah, i thought about that. i have a complex cdparanoia and lame script for ripping mp3's, plus one that does weekly backups to a cdrw. i'd really much prefer to change how udev links them. i think i'll give the rules a shot. thanks for the fstab reminder, though |
| 05:52.17 | gb | nima: send them an email asking themtoo recommend an isp that is debian friewndly :) |
| 05:53.09 | gb | it dont fix my cookie handler but |
| 05:55.17 | liable | wakejagr: have a read in the udev docs in /usr/share/ theres a pretty good howto in there |
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| 05:56.38 | thelostbutler | join #/xfce |
| 05:56.41 | thelostbutler | oops |
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| 05:57.49 | gb | What would I need too install too make cookies work for lynx & konqueror again? |
| 05:58.00 | blackelf | nima: are you in position to bug at&t :) ? |
| 05:58.13 | nima | Not really |
| 05:58.32 | gb | blackelf: that wont stop them from being a bugger though :) |
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| 05:59.17 | NiCeBoY | hello i just connecter to an ftp through debian , by doing to cmd ftp server.. then input my login and password |
| 05:59.28 | buu | Fascinating. |
| 05:59.30 | NiCeBoY | not i want to upload a folder can anyone tell me how i can upload a folder please? |
| 05:59.33 | buu | I'm glad you shared it. |
| 05:59.49 | gb | a folder ey? |
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| 06:00.02 | NiCeBoY | yes |
| 06:00.02 | Octalthorpe | NiCeBoY : I use lftp. It has a 'mirror' command that works well. |
| 06:00.12 | gb | get some scissors n chop it up into little pieces & insert into your cdrom :) |
| 06:00.58 | gb | you might need some tin snips for the metal parts of the folder if it has some |
| 06:01.05 | NiCeBoY | Octalthorpe -bash: lftp: command not found - am getting that.. |
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| 06:01.20 | wakejagr | liable: thanks, i found info that helps |
| 06:01.27 | blackelf | HomeBoY: try gftp |
| 06:01.34 | liable | NiCeBoY: put |
| 06:01.43 | liable | NiCeBoY: man ftp (search put) |
| 06:01.51 | NiCeBoY | liable yes but i know the cmd put but how to i upload a folder.. |
| 06:01.59 | NiCeBoY | with put am able to uoload only a file.. |
| 06:02.07 | blackelf | mkdir perhaps |
| 06:02.30 | NiCeBoY | mkdir creates a folder |
| 06:02.38 | blackelf | NiCeBoY: no shit |
| 06:02.38 | NiCeBoY | by i want to upload a complet folder containing files.. |
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| 06:02.56 | czrtek | you mean downloading |
| 06:03.02 | blackelf | man name_of_ft_program |
| 06:03.07 | czrtek | why don't you use a browser anyway? could be closer to your skill level |
| 06:03.09 | gb | typical |
| 06:03.26 | czrtek | btw hi gb, long time no see. how was the bush? |
| 06:03.29 | NiCeBoY | czrtek no uploading am telling :P from my debian to a ftp.. |
| 06:03.39 | gb | NiCeBoY: get yourself a decent ftp client and an irc client while you're at it & you wont have an issue |
| 06:03.40 | blackelf | czrtek: last time I checked Debian lacked an gui ftp browser |
| 06:03.44 | czrtek | NiCeBoY, oh. mput *.foo |
| 06:04.12 | gb | most decent clients allow you too cp,mv,del directories |
| 06:04.15 | czrtek | blackelf, must be something I'm sure. I never use gui for ftp. never use ftp to upload anything now that I think of |
| 06:04.32 | blackelf | krusader if freaking buggy |
| 06:04.38 | blackelf | gftp was fuckedup |
| 06:04.43 | blackelf | well and thats it |
| 06:05.08 | blackelf | also default ftp is broken it doesnt even support resume |
| 06:05.44 | NiCeBoY | czrtek yes vut now the folder contain many subfolders too.. |
| 06:05.57 | buu | Is there anyway to make firefox open a bookmark in a new tab instead of the current window? |
| 06:06.07 | czrtek | NiCeBoY, learn & use mc |
| 06:06.11 | czrtek | or lftp |
| 06:06.17 | czrtek | or even ncftp |
| 06:06.22 | buu | LFTP++ |
| 06:06.23 | NiCeBoY | czrtek mput upload only the files in the folder but not the subdirectories. |
| 06:06.48 | czrtek | NiCeBoY, yes I know what it does. you weren't specific enough in your original problem statement |
| 06:07.20 | NiCeBoY | so there is not a command to upload a folder with its subfolders? |
| 06:07.43 | czrtek | no in a protocol developed in 1971 |
| 06:07.53 | czrtek | FTP predates Internet as you know it |
| 06:08.00 | Gnea | merry christmas! |
| 06:08.01 | NiCeBoY | ya] |
| 06:08.18 | Gnea | !beer #debian |
| 06:08.19 | wookienz | how do I install arial.ttf, is there an apt-get package to install the t fonts? |
| 06:08.33 | czrtek | wookienz, msttcorefonts |
| 06:08.42 | czrtek | at least something like that existed some years ago |
| 06:08.52 | blackelf | czrtek: its legal? |
| 06:08.53 | czrtek | it's an evil hack, but served the purpose back then |
| 06:09.00 | czrtek | blackelf, sure |
| 06:09.11 | czrtek | at least I think it is :-) |
| 06:09.18 | wookienz | czrtek, missing or obsotele apt-get tells me |
| 06:09.23 | czrtek | I'm not a lawyer/judge/"responsible person" |
| 06:09.37 | blackelf | of course you arnt, well you use debian.. |
| 06:09.44 | czrtek | blackelf, I use? |
| 06:09.47 | liable | NiCeBoY: hack, but if you have no choice.. tar the dir |
| 06:10.06 | czrtek | blackelf, I only started lurking here because I had dpkg-related questions :-) |
| 06:10.16 | czrtek | I used to use debian years ago |
| 06:10.26 | blackelf | aand now? |
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| 06:10.52 | NiCeBoY | lol |
| 06:11.23 | czrtek | blackelf, ubuntu-derivatives mainly |
| 06:11.30 | pandora_ | Help! I got a mysterious unhandled C++ exception when I mistyped a mirror in sources.list, and now with it fixed it says a zillion packages are broken and loops forever trying to fix them! |
| 06:11.36 | czrtek | but most of the large ones once a while when testing software |
| 06:11.40 | Gnea | blackelf: debian plays quite well with the rules, hence why iceweasel exists |
| 06:11.40 | blackelf | why? |
| 06:12.06 | czrtek | blackelf, debian stable contained too old sw, unstable broke too often, ubuntu seems to strike a balance (for me) |
| 06:12.07 | pandora_ | Mysterious error somewhere in an aptitude call I mean. |
| 06:12.21 | Gnea | pandora_: then use apt-get |
| 06:12.21 | gb | yay my cookies work again |
| 06:12.29 | alexcamilo | is iceweasel any good? my friends are a but sour that debian forked firefox but i like variety. |
| 06:12.57 | czrtek | blackelf, it's not like ubuntu isn't debian anyway (other than some sw selection but ..) |
| 06:13.01 | Gnea | alexcamilo: you've been misinformed. iceweasel isn't a fork. |
| 06:13.05 | pipeline | alexcamilo: It's the same damn thing. Debian's firefox used to just be called firefox. It had the same huge patch sets. |
| 06:13.06 | gb | I hate python upgrades |
| 06:13.10 | liable | why should they care that its been forked? |
| 06:13.15 | pandora_ | ... |
| 06:13.17 | gb | wrecks too many things |
| 06:13.17 | pipeline | liable: They're egomaniacs. |
| 06:13.17 | Gnea | alexcamilo: it's still firefox, only the name itself changed, nothing else. |
| 06:13.19 | liable | czrtek: its *not* |
| 06:13.26 | pipeline | gb: I hate python. It wrecks too many things :D |
| 06:13.32 | alexcamilo | i have some odd friends |
| 06:13.33 | pandora_ | All the errors just...disappeared. aptitude works fine now. |
| 06:14.02 | Gnea | czrtek: ubuntu doesn't use the same software, only the same package management system... |
| 06:14.25 | liable | !ping |
| 06:14.25 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:14.29 | pandora_ | Of course, my computer wanted me to join this channel, that's what the problem was! 9.9 It must have been lonely. |
| 06:14.51 | alexcamilo | will it use less memory and be highly customizable through text files and still comply with all the web standards. that would be sweet. |
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| 06:15.05 | alexcamilo | lol. my crazy hope. |
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| 06:15.31 | czrtek | Gnea, liable, ah, I wondered why it worked so much better then ;-) |
| 06:15.40 | czrtek | just jk though |
| 06:15.47 | liable | *groan* |
| 06:16.00 | czrtek | mostly use sw from universe-repos anyway and as I understand those are more or less debian packages directly |
| 06:16.05 | Gnea | czrtek: no need to be an asswipe. |
| 06:16.23 | blackelf | huh huh |
| 06:16.49 | Gnea | !based on debian |
| 06:16.49 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 06:17.15 | Squid | hey, what do i need to run fluxbox? |
| 06:17.18 | czrtek | was I looking for help? I wasn't. |
| 06:17.28 | Gnea | czrtek: it's so clearly spelled out right there. |
| 06:17.39 | liable | an old box! |
| 06:17.42 | blackelf | distro wars! |
| 06:17.45 | Gnea | czrtek: you're level of literacy is disappointing. |
| 06:17.53 | Gnea | s/you're/your/g |
| 06:18.18 | Gnea | Squid: an X server |
| 06:18.37 | blackelf | lol this is rasism, instance someone says Ubuntu he gets falmed |
| 06:18.51 | CHodapp | racism* flamed* |
| 06:18.59 | Gnea | racism? no. |
| 06:19.04 | Gnea | flamed? no. |
| 06:19.08 | czrtek | blackelf, nah, I'm only illiterate and need edumacation |
| 06:19.10 | Gnea | illiterate? yes. |
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| 06:19.35 | Gnea | blackelf: please, explain how this is racism. |
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| 06:19.43 | czrtek | maybe I wasn't clear what I meant by debian, but can't be bothered right now. I'm not forcing my opinions on you. |
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| 06:20.04 | Squid | Gnea, i install xserver-xorg and fluxbox but i keep getting errors when trying to run fluxbox |
| 06:20.09 | Gnea | if you can't be bothered to explain it, then you obviously don't know what you're talking about :) |
| 06:20.24 | blackelf | oh noes, you just called me black |
| 06:20.24 | czrtek | or have better things to do |
| 06:20.26 | Gnea | Squid: did you get the xserver configured? |
| 06:20.39 | alexcamilo | Does anyone know how to keep a computer screen from dimming. its not an X thing because it does it even when x is not running |
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| 06:20.46 | liable | install 'xorg' |
| 06:20.46 | Squid | Gnea, it just asked me about the screens resolution and that was it |
| 06:20.49 | Gnea | blackelf: oh, so you're smoking crack? |
| 06:21.01 | blackelf | Gnea: stoned is |
| 06:21.12 | Gnea | Squid: can you paste the error somewhere? |
| 06:21.20 | Gnea | blackelf: no, he only smokes pot |
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| 06:21.31 | Gnea | AFAIK anyway... |
| 06:21.58 | czrtek | Gnea, however, if you'll tell me how to execute external programs with at least the package name when dpkg is just about to unlink the files of a package (purge/remove after user confirmation and depdency solving) I'll promise to explain |
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| 06:22.52 | Squid | Gnea, could you please paste your X configuration its saying it cant detect my mouse and i need something to go off |
| 06:23.00 | Gnea | czrtek: whenever you're finished explaining, since the ball is in your court and you just hit the net with it by asking an extremely vague and baseless question, i might consider answering it. |
| 06:23.08 | bintut | clear |
| 06:23.11 | Gnea | Squid: sure thing |
| 06:23.13 | wookienz | anyone use jpgraph here and can help out ith getting it working? |
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| 06:23.34 | bintut | anyone here running xgl on an AMD64 laptop + ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE)? |
| 06:23.44 | czrtek | Gnea, I need to fill the files that dpkg is removing with binary zero before they're unlinked. in order to get better compression rations from virtual machine images. which part of that is baseless? |
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| 06:24.12 | Gnea | czrtek: the whole thing, since you're talking jibberish. |
| 06:24.34 | CHodapp | it made sense to me. |
| 06:24.38 | Gnea | czrtek: for starters, what virtual machine? |
| 06:24.55 | blackelf | to me too |
| 06:24.55 | czrtek | if you say so :-). nevermind though, I solved the problem in a very hacky way |
| 06:24.55 | czrtek | ended up writing an LD_PRELOAD .so that grabs the unlinks |
| 06:24.59 | nima | Squid, can't detect mouse? |
| 06:25.11 | Gnea | ah |
| 06:25.16 | czrtek | works quite well. suprises how much cruft is unlinked with normal package installs even |
| 06:25.26 | Squid | nima, when i run X -configure it says Xorg is not able to detect your mouse edit the file and corrent the device |
| 06:25.36 | blackelf | czrtek: have the source by hand? |
| 06:25.51 | czrtek | blackelf, for what? the wrapper? |
| 06:25.51 | Gnea | Squid: is that a laptop or desktop system? |
| 06:25.57 | blackelf | czrtek: yea |
| 06:25.57 | Squid | Gnea, desktop |
| 06:26.02 | nima | Squid, see if there's a section about mice in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:26.14 | czrtek | blackelf, well, obviously since I just finished it and am testing. why? :-) |
| 06:26.35 | blackelf | czrtek: interesting thing. care to email to me? |
| 06:26.55 | Squid | nima, yep there is |
| 06:27.10 | nima | Squid, What device file is it using? |
| 06:27.13 | czrtek | blackelf, I'd rather get some sleep than add proper copyright stuff right now :-) |
| 06:27.19 | czrtek | blackelf, but I can mail it later |
| 06:27.28 | Squid | nima, /dev/input/mice |
| 06:27.36 | czrtek | I'm thinking of putting on a website and mailing to couple of mailing lists about this |
| 06:27.37 | nima | Hmmm |
| 06:27.42 | blackelf | czrtek: if you have time and want then send to czrtek-irc-2006-ticket@raf256.org |
| 06:27.46 | czrtek | since dpkg doesn't have the relevant hooks. doesn't have any hooks anyway :-) |
| 06:28.00 | nima | Squid, try catting /dev/input/mice, and see if junk appears when you move the mouse |
| 06:28.09 | czrtek | blackelf, I'll add that to a todo-file in svn. we'll see if I ever get around to it :-) |
| 06:28.28 | Squid | nima, yep it does |
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| 06:28.51 | nima | Squid, Laptop, or desktop? |
| 06:29.10 | Squid | desktop |
| 06:29.34 | nima | Gnea, any ideas? |
| 06:29.43 | czrtek | blackelf, it's just a apt.conf.d fragment and couple of shell scripts (around dpkg and localepurge since it also creates cruft) which use LD_PRELOAD with the .so (only overrides unlink, does some sanity tests, fills the file with binary zero then unlinks) and that's it basically |
| 06:29.45 | czrtek | nothing fancy |
| 06:29.58 | czrtek | but still something I'd consider a hack |
| 06:30.10 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.08 | Gnea | Squid: if it has a mouse wheel, then the mouse config from that should work |
| 06:31.59 | blackelf | and if it have keyboard wheel? |
| 06:32.36 | czrtek | blackelf, also did a small program to zerofill-unlink command line supplied files |
| 06:32.49 | czrtek | very nifty to clear /var/apt/cache/acrhives and both of the .bin:s |
| 06:32.55 | Gnea | blackelf: then you get shot in the head. |
| 06:33.11 | czrtek | once the apt.conf.d is in place, everything is just automatic. dpkg --purge works, apt-get --purge remove works. |
| 06:33.17 | czrtek | works = hasn't broken down yet |
| 06:33.22 | Squid | Gnea, when typing startx i get alot of errors saying could not init font path element and then fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 06:33.27 | czrtek | a small snafu in initrd, but nothing critical |
| 06:33.27 | blackelf | oh no, another recism act |
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| 06:33.45 | Gnea | Squid: try installing x-window-system-core |
| 06:34.14 | liable | xorg!!! |
| 06:34.14 | Gnea | blackelf: try an act against lack-of-intelligence. |
| 06:34.21 | liable | its the new meta package |
| 06:34.48 | Gnea | oh wait, it's just raf256 |
| 06:35.11 | liable | Gnea: heh, thats what everyone says when the find out :) |
| 06:35.32 | nima | Squid, try installing xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi |
| 06:35.33 | Gnea | liable: he's just a troll :) |
| 06:35.37 | blackelf | you should start a Sherlock Holmes club. |
| 06:35.41 | liable | Gnea: we know |
| 06:35.47 | unlink | czrtek: you called? |
| 06:35.55 | czrtek | blackelf, actually I'm mainly working with vmware nowadays. has more complete x86-realmode emulation than qemu |
| 06:36.07 | czrtek | unlink, not really. you just have an unfortunately colliding nick :-) |
| 06:36.14 | blackelf | czrtek: qemu's one is not complete? |
| 06:36.20 | czrtek | blackelf, not even close |
| 06:36.24 | blackelf | O_O |
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| 06:36.42 | czrtek | try running some of the more interesting 16/32-blended stuff on it |
| 06:36.46 | blackelf | so how come qemu succeedes to emulate all OS I have from 16 to 32 bit |
| 06:37.09 | czrtek | blackelf, try running ghost.exe on it sometimes |
| 06:37.20 | czrtek | or something that uses anything that was linked against later phar-lap extenders |
| 06:37.37 | blackelf | vmware is expesive? |
| 06:37.44 | czrtek | blackelf, free as in beer |
| 06:37.51 | czrtek | also contains a working pxe stack |
| 06:37.58 | czrtek | which is nice when testing network booting stuff |
| 06:38.00 | blackelf | neat |
| 06:38.30 | czrtek | (the vmware server is free there are other non-free versions [as in beer, still]) |
| 06:39.12 | Squid | Gnia, ok x-window-system-core is installed how do i configure it? |
| 06:39.36 | Squid | Gnia, fluxbox works now cheers :) |
| 06:40.27 | czrtek | blackelf, I use qemu mainly for arm/ppc emulation stuff |
| 06:40.45 | czrtek | and sometimes bochs even, has it's uses still :-) |
| 06:41.00 | czrtek | not run actually run anything, but for debugging early-time boot process |
| 06:41.26 | gb | vmware? |
| 06:41.48 | gb | I thought that'd gone down the tubes of $ |
| 06:42.04 | gb | ie payfor a piece of shitty software |
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| 06:42.42 | blackelf | worked with m$.. |
| 06:43.17 | gb | depends of your definition of worked :) |
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| 06:43.27 | czrtek | gb, you've used it? |
| 06:43.29 | wastrel | hi |
| 06:43.29 | gb | -of+on |
| 06:43.46 | gb | I have a long time ago when it was v1 |
| 06:44.00 | czrtek | ah, I started only with wks-2 |
| 06:44.04 | czrtek | never saw v1 |
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| 06:44.08 | gb | I have no need of it now as I dont do messydos anymore |
| 06:44.32 | czrtek | I don't do dos either |
| 06:44.43 | gb | I have my freedos for my dos based games though :) |
| 06:44.51 | gb | still like playing civ |
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| 06:44.57 | czrtek | civ1? |
| 06:45.05 | gb | debian makes it very easy too use |
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| 06:45.15 | Eleaf | whell. |
| 06:45.16 | PFA | is this #ubuntu? |
| 06:45.26 | gb | the original civ before numbers |
| 06:45.28 | czrtek | PFA, no? |
| 06:45.31 | Eleaf | lol |
| 06:45.32 | PFA | :D bye! |
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| 06:45.34 | blackelf | PFA: yea |
| 06:45.35 | czrtek | gb, civ1 :-) |
| 06:45.51 | sonicGB | lolz indeed |
| 06:45.56 | gb | came on two floppies |
| 06:45.59 | czrtek | maybe he heard he would get educated if he came here and asked that question :-) |
| 06:46.11 | Eleaf | ubuntu. |
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| 06:46.23 | sonicGB | ubuntu |
| 06:46.29 | gb | ewwbuntoo |
| 06:46.43 | blackelf | quit saying help, I cant configure my debian |
| 06:46.46 | Eleaf | ubuntu is debian. |
| 06:46.54 | czrtek | uh oh ;-) |
| 06:47.02 | gb | no it isn't :P |
| 06:47.16 | Eleaf | no? |
| 06:47.21 | sonicGB | sure it is! |
| 06:47.23 | gb | thats like saying xp is an operating system :) |
| 06:47.24 | yipe | GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux? |
| 06:47.38 | Eleaf | I just did this command; $ echo "ubuntu is debian" |
| 06:47.44 | Eleaf | and the output is self justifiable. |
| 06:47.48 | Eleaf | ;p |
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| 06:47.54 | sonicGB | yipe: FreeBSD is dying? |
| 06:48.03 | yipe | what? |
| 06:48.09 | czrtek | cat /etc/debian_version: 'testing/unstable' ;-) |
| 06:48.14 | gb | dying? I thought it was dead n pushing up daises |
| 06:48.18 | yipe | not that I know of, FBSD rocks |
| 06:48.29 | Eleaf | yeah that happened for me too czrtek |
| 06:48.31 | yipe | is it popular? no :P |
| 06:48.42 | Eleaf | with ubuntu. |
| 06:48.52 | sonicGB | not as popular as ubuntu |
| 06:49.06 | czrtek | Eleaf, well, I'm not getting into this discussion, so I'm not saying anything. I'm just humming. |
| 06:49.19 | Eleaf | czrtek, yeah I know. |
| 06:49.32 | Eleaf | I like the humming |
| 06:49.34 | czrtek | blackelf, you have immediate need for the zerofiller? |
| 06:49.43 | Eleaf | I need chap stick. |
| 06:49.45 | Eleaf | ;( |
| 06:49.49 | sonicGB | in soviet russia... |
| 06:49.50 | blackelf | no |
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| 06:50.07 | yipe | isn't this supposed to be an all-business support channel? |
| 06:50.24 | Eleaf | I lost my chap stick |
| 06:50.27 | Eleaf | it was organic peach. |
| 06:50.32 | gb | umm since when has irc been support for anything? |
| 06:50.33 | liable | yipe: it is untill the trolls join |
| 06:50.42 | czrtek | maybe it got a bit too organic and rotted away? |
| 06:50.51 | Eleaf | czrtek, I dunno. |
| 06:50.54 | Eleaf | it seemed very good |
| 06:50.58 | yipe | liable, ouch |
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| 06:51.04 | Eleaf | now I don't have ti for snowboarding! |
| 06:51.15 | Eleaf | I wanted chap stick for snowboarding, maybe I will somehow find it. |
| 06:51.22 | Eleaf | it's probably in some car seat somewhere. |
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| 06:52.25 | geoaxis | hello people , i need to configure exim4 |
| 06:52.27 | geoaxis | !exim |
| 06:52.27 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
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| 06:52.53 | gb | geoaxis: dpkg-reconfigure exim.cfg till you get it right |
| 06:52.59 | gb | I think |
| 06:53.08 | geoaxis | gb : thats the thing |
| 06:53.11 | gb | been a while since I did it |
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| 06:53.15 | geoaxis | gb : not getting it right |
| 06:53.17 | liable | exim4-config |
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| 06:53.57 | DUAL_MAN | how do i install the kernel headers to compile zpatel? |
| 06:54.02 | gb | your actual config depends a lot on how crappy your isp is |
| 06:54.06 | geoaxis | to simplify the problem , i am using outside smtp server ..just need to send mail |
| 06:54.19 | blackelf | DUAL_MAN: kernel.org |
| 06:54.23 | geoaxis | assuming my server is smtp.xyz.net |
| 06:54.27 | czrtek | blackelf, 2 GiB full disk image (ext3 including the journal) with x86_64 install of dapper (yeah, I know) with system upgrade, couple of kernel upgrades, gcc/make installed and removed. compressed with rzip = 169 MiB |
| 06:54.31 | gb | if the block port 25 then you're stuck with using one of their mail servers |
| 06:54.40 | DUAL_MAN | blackelf: can i use apt, i have etch |
| 06:54.40 | liable | DUAL_MAN: apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 06:54.42 | blackelf | rzip? |
| 06:54.45 | gb | -the+they |
| 06:54.45 | czrtek | sure |
| 06:54.50 | geoaxis | gb : smtp is open |
| 06:54.59 | czrtek | gzip-9 gives 229 MiB |
| 06:55.02 | liable | DUAL_MAN: apt-get unstall linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 06:55.09 | blackelf | DUAL_MAN: searck kernel-headers |
| 06:55.10 | gb | then just set yourself up as an internet mail server |
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| 06:55.27 | rosen37 | PLease I have this error mesage on my website Please I have a 400 Bad request Reason: You're speaking plain HTTP to an SSL-enabled server port , is it due to a software bug or an apache misconfiguration? |
| 06:55.50 | gb | if you have a dynamic ip you might need too use dyndns or similar too |
| 06:55.50 | Eleaf | well debian |
| 06:55.53 | Eleaf | goodnight debian. |
| 06:55.54 | blackelf | rosen37: just use https:// you full |
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| 06:56.25 | blackelf | rosen37: or reconfig apache sslengine off |
| 06:56.30 | geoaxis | this is from iptables --list : ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp multiport dports ssh,www,https,smtp,10000 |
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| 06:57.06 | blackelf | geoaxis: fascynating |
| 06:57.16 | geoaxis | gb , this should allow 25 inbounf and outbound |
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| 06:57.32 | rosen37_ | sorry I disco |
| 06:57.43 | blackelf | I rave |
| 06:57.44 | gb | geoaxis: your port settings make no difference too your isp settings |
| 06:57.49 | blackelf | lets party rosen37_ |
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| 06:57.52 | sonicGB | rosen37: possible apache misconfig. That will happen if you've somehow convinced apache to listen for SSL connections on port 80. |
| 06:57.59 | blackelf | rosen37: just use https:// you full |
| 06:58.01 | blackelf | rosen37: or reconfig apache sslengine off |
| 06:58.09 | geoaxis | gb : unless the thing is blocked by my local firewall |
| 06:58.31 | liable | geoaxis: can you telnet to it locally? |
| 06:58.43 | czrtek | which reminds me, anyone aware of any nice (and working/usable) DMX control sw? |
| 06:58.50 | alexcamilo | is there any way to stop the screen from going black when i don't touch the mouse fora prolonged amount of time. i tried to disable dmps in the xfree86 config file but the screen still goes black. it even goes black when i'm not running X. i tried reading up on apple power management stuff but have had verry little success. |
| 06:59.23 | gb | alexcamilo: yes |
| 06:59.29 | geoaxis | liable : as in the machine on which i wana configure exim4 , yes i am on it via ssh |
| 06:59.42 | liable | alexcamilo: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-disable-screen-blanking-screen-going-blank.html |
| 06:59.56 | liable | geoaxis: can you telnet to port 25? |
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| 07:00.32 | geoaxis | liable : don't know ..let me check |
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| 07:01.00 | rosen37_ | blackelf: I use https but when I submit a form I have http://server:443 insteead of keep the https |
| 07:01.22 | geoaxis | liable , it would be telnet 127.0.0.1:25 , if its a local machine (guessing) |
| 07:01.38 | liable | telnet 127.0.0.1 25 |
| 07:01.51 | geoaxis | yes |
| 07:02.00 | alexcamilo | thanx |
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| 07:02.19 | rosen37__ | buhhhh |
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| 07:02.38 | geoaxis | liable : i get host name and exim4 (welcome txt sort of thing i guess) |
| 07:02.59 | liable | geoaxis: good. now try it from another box |
| 07:03.12 | rosen37__ | SO I m running a website currently available on http and https . I reach it usng https://server , but when I submit form it send http://server:443 |
| 07:03.37 | geoaxis | liable : ok , I get your point .. |
| 07:04.44 | geoaxis | liable : nopes ..connection fails ..so this is a firewall issue |
| 07:04.53 | liable | looks like it |
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| 07:08.59 | geoaxis | how can i stop firewall ..(dont see any init.d/firewall or iptables to stop) |
| 07:09.13 | geoaxis | !init |
| 07:09.13 | dpkg | init is probably the init daemon |
| 07:09.19 | geoaxis | !init.d |
| 07:09.19 | dpkg | init.d is probably where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See also update-rc.d and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README |
| 07:09.28 | liable | geoaxis: just clear your rules |
| 07:09.28 | geoaxis | !firewall |
| 07:09.29 | dpkg | hmm... firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 07:09.35 | liable | geoaxis: iptables -Z iirc |
| 07:09.44 | liable | and maybe -X |
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| 07:12.17 | geoaxis | awsome |
| 07:12.27 | geoaxis | i just flushed all iptables |
| 07:12.32 | geoaxis | and now i cannot connect |
| 07:12.48 | geoaxis | looks like default (reject all) has kicked in |
| 07:13.01 | geoaxis | now i would need to reboot the headless server |
| 07:14.27 | gb | huh reboot? |
| 07:14.40 | liable | flushing you tables shouldnt have done that. |
| 07:15.10 | gb | rebooting wont necesarily fix something if you've stuffed it up configwise |
| 07:16.12 | geoaxis | gb: not really , i have very simple conf |
| 07:16.12 | gb | & if a reboot reruns your init scripts that reload your unaltered tables all you need do is reload them manually |
| 07:16.50 | geoaxis | gb : i just flushed the tables .they are not saved (are they?) |
| 07:16.53 | gb | yup so just rerun the appropriate init.d/script |
| 07:17.34 | geoaxis | liable : the thing was not even giving out ping reply |
| 07:17.43 | gb | I dont know what you've done & what you mean by flushed |
| 07:18.00 | geoaxis | gb : iptables --flush |
| 07:18.00 | gb | when I flush tables everything keeps working :) |
| 07:18.29 | gb | yeah that shouldn't affect your config |
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| 07:18.48 | gb | so rerunning the script should reload them as if you rebooted |
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| 07:19.37 | gb | assumming of course everything was working to begin with |
| 07:19.42 | geoaxis | i think i know whats causing it |
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| 07:19.54 | geoaxis | i added 25 and smtp at the same time |
| 07:19.55 | Anarka | heys :) |
| 07:20.03 | Anarka | anyone here plays second life ? |
| 07:20.05 | gb | if it was broken too begin with rerunning the script wont help you :) |
| 07:20.22 | geoaxis | gb : thanks to webmin , its all set now :) |
| 07:20.35 | gb | bah webmin :P |
| 07:20.51 | geoaxis | (i know webmin is for lazy ppl) |
| 07:21.16 | gb | for that I found it's fairly good |
| 07:21.35 | gb | otherwise I prefer too configure things properly from scratch |
| 07:21.40 | gb | but thats just me |
| 07:22.20 | gb | apparrently the squid config in webmin is good too |
| 07:22.21 | geoaxis | gb : yes i do that too ..unfortunately ..when you are paid by the hour ..your bosses don't like doing stuff from scratch |
| 07:23.11 | gb | geoaxis: but doing it once properly is my preferred option :) |
| 07:24.05 | geoaxis | gb : may i post you my iptables --list |
| 07:24.09 | gb | & if it's done outside webmin in files webmin cant touch, when clueless subcontractors come along, they're less likely too stuff your config up |
| 07:24.32 | gb | umm not in here & imnot really interested |
| 07:25.04 | geoaxis | some one ineterested in solving iptables problem |
| 07:25.08 | gb | last update about 18nobths ago |
| 07:25.19 | gb | litsa things are breaking as a result |
| 07:25.22 | DUAL_MAN | how can i upgrade kernel v 2.6.17 to 2.6.18 |
| 07:25.38 | liable | !reference |
| 07:25.38 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 07:25.55 | liable | DUAL_MAN: ^^^ read it, it will answer a lot of questions, it a very good doc |
| 07:26.19 | wastrel | mmm that's new |
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| 07:34.50 | geoaxis | !reinstall |
| 07:34.50 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
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| 07:36.05 | sid | http://ze-dinosaur.livejournal.com/15678.html heh, I wonder if that will make it into etch. |
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| 07:39.05 | geoaxis | i deleted the /etc/exim folder on purpose |
| 07:39.21 | geoaxis | and removed exim4 and reinstalled it |
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| 07:39.44 | geoaxis | its not being populated by files (dirs) which were previosuly there |
| 07:40.13 | deadcat | could someone please run this for me and see if it gives the mount error please: debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 07:41.39 | geoaxis | any on |
| 07:41.40 | geoaxis | e |
| 07:42.30 | liable | !tell geoaxis about confmiss |
| 07:42.42 | SurgeX | after i installed debian I got no connectivity |
| 07:43.25 | SurgeX | debian chooses eth0 which is my network card instead of eth1 which is my wireless |
| 07:44.04 | liable | SurgeX: man interfaces and zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 07:44.31 | SurgeX | what do I do with that file? |
| 07:45.34 | liable | deadcat: you get the eroor immediately? |
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| 07:46.15 | deadcat | liable: after the extracting the z package... when it tries to chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 07:46.22 | geoaxis | liable : nopes used the line bot sent , not working |
| 07:46.23 | liable | deadcat: its fetching the release and packages files for me, but i dont want to let it run because i am on dialup |
| 07:46.38 | deadcat | liable: oh.. doh... |
| 07:46.51 | liable | ok, i'll let it run till then |
| 07:46.59 | deadcat | liable: it will take a while |
| 07:47.03 | liable | geoaxis: you need to create the dir first if you deleted the whole directory |
| 07:47.29 | geoaxis | the dir was there |
| 07:47.38 | liable | deadcat: its just a package list innit? shouldnt take too long i hope |
| 07:47.40 | geoaxis | liable : actually tried both scenarios |
| 07:48.05 | deadcat | liable: no. it downloads the packages too |
| 07:48.24 | liable | deadcat: fuck that then :P |
| 07:48.31 | deadcat | (= |
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| 07:49.59 | deadcat | liable: the last time (long time ago) i ran debootstrap, it never tried to chroot and mount proc, i did that manually. but i even tried that and mount failed |
| 07:50.09 | liable | geoaxis: which package are you using that command on? |
| 07:50.17 | geoaxis | liable exim4 |
| 07:50.36 | liable | deadcat: i have only done two debootstraps long ago, cant remember much at all |
| 07:50.41 | liable | geoaxis: exim4-config |
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| 07:51.55 | geoaxis | :) |
| 07:52.12 | geoaxis | now why would they split configs and software |
| 07:52.49 | liable | exim is weird |
| 07:53.30 | geoaxis | ok |
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| 07:54.05 | geoaxis | liable : now i get telnet from outside , thanks for the tips |
| 07:54.16 | liable | you're welcome |
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| 08:01.28 | YogSothoth | Hi |
| 08:02.29 | YogSothoth | I'm having a problem mounting my external usbdisk at boot. I added the line in /etc/fstab which looks good but still it does not work. And I can't find the error in dmesg. Please see my paste here: http://pastie.caboo.se/29197 |
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| 08:04.27 | liable | YogSothoth: the module prolly isnt loaded when mountall is run. try adding the modules to your initrd |
| 08:05.24 | YogSothoth | Thank you liable. What module? How am I supposed to load it? |
| 08:07.47 | liable | ohci or something similar, i can never remember the name of the usb ones, also sd_mod iirc. have a look with lsmod. |
| 08:10.12 | liable | hrm, initramfs.conf says it should add the usb modules |
| 08:11.49 | liable | YogSothoth: try adding them to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules then reinstall the kernel |
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| 08:13.58 | YogSothoth | wow kernel and things, seems too dangerous for me, i'm newbie and it's a production server |
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| 08:17.01 | liable | YogSothoth: usb-storage ehci-hcd uhci-hcd usbcore sd_mod should do it i think |
| 08:17.41 | liable | usb-ohci usb-ehci |
| 08:19.13 | dorel__ | when I build a package I notice it adds another directory which is a copy of the parent one within package/debian, is this normal? |
| 08:19.23 | liable | YogSothoth: run a small script at the end of init then that runs mount -a |
| 08:20.09 | cahoot | YogSothoth: you try to mount the whole disk - mount a partition |
| 08:20.37 | cahoot | i e /dev/sdb1 not /dev/sdb |
| 08:20.52 | liable | hehe, i didnt even look at his paste... oops |
| 08:21.59 | cahoot | YogSothoth: and what device is hdd? a cdrom or what? |
| 08:23.04 | cahoot | YogSothoth: if you plan to adminster a production server you probably want to read up some on linux basics |
| 08:23.26 | YogSothoth | cahoot, it's a hard drive |
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| 08:24.08 | cahoot | YogSothoth: anyway - you mount partitions not whole disks |
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| 08:35.45 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:35.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
| 08:36.43 | geoaxis | !exim-config |
| 08:36.50 | geoaxis | !exim4-config |
| 08:36.53 | geoaxis | !exim4 |
| 08:36.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 08:39.44 | liable | !tell geoaxis about selftell |
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| 08:40.01 | karsten | liable: Tell me! Tell me! |
| 08:40.09 | karsten | !tuesday |
| 08:40.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tuesday is soylent green day |
| 08:40.16 | liable | !tell karsten about selftell |
| 08:40.19 | karsten | Tuesday is People! |
| 08:40.26 | liable | karsten: only too happy to oblige |
| 08:41.15 | liable | i need a better wireless card with external antenna |
| 08:41.30 | jauricch1o | Hi all. What do I do if I need to find (or build) an old .deb that has been removed from the archives? |
| 08:41.48 | liable | jauricch1o: snapshot.debian.net |
| 08:42.26 | jauricch1o | liable: :D :D :D :D THANK YOU! |
| 08:42.46 | liable | you're welcome |
| 08:43.24 | jauricch1o | I've needed to do this before |
| 08:43.31 | jauricch1o | and never found that site |
| 08:43.38 | jauricch1o | but this time my job might depend on it... |
| 08:43.41 | jauricch1o | so i'm happy =] |
| 08:43.46 | liable | heh |
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| 08:50.31 | CharminTheMoose | i'm having a problem with amsn it crashes every now and then: http://pastebin.ca/292233 |
| 08:50.50 | YogSothoth | <cahoot> |
| 08:51.09 | YogSothoth | cahoot, thank you i'll try to mount /dev/sdb1 instead |
| 08:51.34 | YogSothoth | cahoot, for now my network is under heavy dos attack and I can't ssh anymore :/ |
| 08:53.53 | dorel__ | this ibm xseries 346 2u server is giving me problems, is there a 'debian way' to install a system on those servers |
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| 09:04.07 | blackelf | !why is llvm not in testing |
| 09:04.07 | dpkg | llvm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=llvm |
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| 09:09.44 | blackelf | what in the fucks name |
| 09:09.50 | blackelf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399261 |
| 09:10.10 | blackelf | A fix for this problem has been completed and uploaded. Due to repairs to remove GFDL documentation, the fix is now waiting for processing in the NEW queue. |
| 09:10.21 | blackelf | how to help speed up bringin this pack into testing? |
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| 09:11.20 | fulldisclosure | Hi. |
| 09:11.24 | fulldisclosure | http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/185707/0/piso/30/metros/ |
| 09:11.26 | fulldisclosure | Sorry. |
| 09:11.34 | fulldisclosure | <fulldisclosure> I have an apple macbook with debian etch and gnome 2.14, I installed bluez-utils and bluez-gnome, it seems to work when I detect debian system from the celular phone, but when I want to transfer a file, then it fails. |
| 09:11.36 | blackelf | sorry for what? for spamming? |
| 09:11.41 | fulldisclosure | blackelf, Yes. |
| 09:11.50 | blackelf | !smite fulldisclosure |
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| 09:12.19 | fulldisclosure | blackelf, But second pasting is not spam |
| 09:12.25 | fulldisclosure | Is a problem I have... |
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| 09:15.20 | jtza8 | How can I solve this problem with find: |
| 09:15.21 | jtza8 | find . -type f -exec head -n 1 {} | grep -q blah \; |
| 09:15.40 | jtza8 | grep eats up the terminating ; |
| 09:16.23 | jtza8 | ... as an argument. |
| 09:16.49 | jtza8 | So find never gets the ; and grep can't open ; as a file. |
| 09:18.07 | geoaxis | hello people , i am stuck with exim4 and smarthost (cant send mail) |
| 09:18.47 | geoaxis | can any one (user of exim) help me out here ... |
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| 09:21.57 | jauricch1o | jtza8: the shell is seeing the pipe, and running find | grep |
| 09:22.08 | jauricch1o | jtza8: try putting the pipe in single quotes |
| 09:22.23 | Dewi | evening all |
| 09:22.35 | jtza8 | jauricch1o: Thanks |
| 09:24.04 | jtza8 | jauricch1o: Thing is, if I do that then head wants to read it as a file. |
| 09:24.43 | jauricch1o | jtza8: ooh, tricky... |
| 09:24.50 | jauricch1o | hm. |
| 09:25.06 | jauricch1o | now i'm not actually sure find can take a pipeline... |
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| 09:25.12 | CharminTheMoose | i'm having a problem with amsn it crashes every now and then: http://pastebin.ca/292233 |
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| 09:25.37 | fulldisclosure | I have an apple macbook with debian etch and gnome 2.14, I installed bluez-utils and bluez-gnome, it seems to work when I detect debian system from the celular phone, but when I want to transfer a file, then it fails. |
| 09:25.52 | fulldisclosure | Someone in gnome debian with bluetooth? |
| 09:25.54 | fulldisclosure | Please :-) |
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| 09:26.13 | jauricch1o | jtza8: yeah the manpage seems to indicate that -exec wants a single executable and a bunch of arguments to it |
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| 09:26.31 | jauricch1o | jtza8: maybe -exec sh -c head -n 1 {} '|' grep -q blah \; |
| 09:26.34 | liable | fulldisclosure: 'it fails' isnt very helpfull to diagnose what may be wrong |
| 09:26.53 | fulldisclosure | liable, I understand... |
| 09:27.06 | liable | fulldisclosure: can you detect the phone from debian? try it, it prolly wants a pin |
| 09:27.30 | jtza8 | jauricch1o: testing... |
| 09:27.33 | sonicGB | liable: but nonetheless, it's a perfectly good opener when requesting help. As soon as someone with experience responds, he'll doubtless be ready to offer more specific info |
| 09:28.11 | liable | sonicGB: no. |
| 09:28.11 | fulldisclosure | liable, My phone detects debian and then I connect, I write the pin and then debian gnome applet form bluez gnome want the pin, I write it then they seems to be connected. |
| 09:28.25 | fulldisclosure | liable, IS then when I try to send from celular to debian then it fails |
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| 09:28.47 | sonicGB | liable: yes. |
| 09:29.33 | sonicGB | fulldisclosure: how do things work if you go the other way around. Ask debian/gnome to detect the phone and set up the connection from the box rather than the phone? |
| 09:29.46 | jtza8 | jauricch1o: Nope, doesn't work |
| 09:30.14 | jauricch1o | jtza8: what error do you get? |
| 09:31.06 | liable | fulldisclosure: ok. i havent futzed with bluetooth for ages, but i guess the only thing to do is to get bluez to start in debug and see what kind of messages it spews. |
| 09:31.18 | jtza8 | jauricch1o: It runs head and then grep so the pipe doesn't work... |
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| 09:31.42 | jtza8 | jauricch1o: Here's the command: |
| 09:31.52 | jtza8 | jauricch1o: find . -type f -exec sh -c head -n 1 {} '|' grep -q blah \; |
| 09:32.51 | jauricch1o | jtza8: i'm gonna try that locally |
| 09:34.09 | jauricch1o | ooooh... |
| 09:34.14 | jauricch1o | you're using grep -q |
| 09:34.41 | jauricch1o | So that doesn't print matches, just silently exits with return code indicating if it found a match or not. |
| 09:35.23 | jtza8 | yep |
| 09:36.10 | jauricch1o | ah, okay, i see |
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| 09:36.41 | jauricch1o | oh |
| 09:36.51 | jauricch1o | perhaps the argument to -c needs to be in quotes |
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| 09:38.30 | jauricch1o | jtza8: find . -type f -exec sh -c "head -n 1 '{}' | grep -q blah \; -print |
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| 09:38.45 | jauricch1o | there is a closing double-quote after blah |
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| 09:39.02 | jauricch1o | That will print a list of all files in current dir whose first line contains 'blah' |
| 09:39.19 | jtza8 | Hora! |
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| 09:39.27 | jtza8 | at last, thanks |
| 09:39.49 | geoaxis | can any one help me with exim , or suggest an alternative to exim , i just need to send email via a remote smtp server |
| 09:40.01 | cahoot | mutt |
| 09:40.01 | geoaxis | no reception what so ever |
| 09:40.28 | jauricch1o | whew that was fun =] |
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| 09:40.37 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.38 | jauricch1o | i love bourne shell |
| 09:40.39 | ma3x | /etc/cron.daily/man-db: |
| 09:40.41 | ma3x | mandb: warning: /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla.1.gz is a dangling symlink |
| 09:40.43 | ma3x | how do I find out what package bug this is? |
| 09:40.53 | ma3x | jauricch1o: what's that |
| 09:41.11 | liable | ma3x: dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla.1.gz |
| 09:41.24 | liable | ma3x: its a fairly common bug it seems |
| 09:41.26 | ma3x | dpkg: /usr/share/man/man1/mozilla.1.gz not found. |
| 09:41.29 | jauricch1o | ma3x: /bin/sh =] |
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| 09:41.41 | ma3x | jauricch1o: bash rulez |
| 09:41.51 | liable | ma3x: i guess thats why its dangling |
| 09:42.04 | ma3x | liable: so what should I do? |
| 09:42.12 | cahoot | let it swing |
| 09:42.26 | ma3x | cahoot: mind your own biznis |
| 09:42.44 | cahoot | why - you invite all |
| 09:42.57 | ma3x | excl. you |
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| 09:43.55 | liable | ma3x: ls -l /usr/share/man/man1/ |
| 09:44.09 | ma3x | liable: it lists a lot of files |
| 09:44.32 | liable | ma3x: search for that one. see if its a broken link, if so, remove it |
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| 09:45.31 | ma3x | these things break too often. does something ever brake in stable? |
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| 09:46.51 | Zap-W | anyone what the , , , serve for in awk { print $8, "\t", $3} |
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| 09:47.22 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
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| 09:47.57 | mc__ | Zap-W: the are seperators |
| 09:48.51 | Ramattack | is there anyway for recompiling the default debian kernel 2.6.8 for you're system? I have been googling and have seen pèople that makes a debian package from a standard kernel but I wanted to use debian improved sources so the sources of the default kernel and there modify to set my proccessor drivers.... |
| 09:48.55 | Ramattack | how could do this? |
| 09:49.28 | pstickne | Ramattack, grab the source and use an existing config found in /boot |
| 09:49.37 | mc__ | Ramattack: install linux-tree-2.6.8 |
| 09:49.40 | sid | apt-get build-dep linux-image-blah; apt-get install build-essential kernel-package; apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 09:50.18 | Zap-W | mc_, it works the same without them |
| 09:50.43 | mc__ | It's exciting how helpful guys in #debian are when you ask a question the smart way |
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| 09:51.38 | mc__ | Zap-W: maybe you just really need them when using different commands,i dont know it for sure |
| 09:52.07 | Ramattack | wow thanks lol wait a minute |
| 09:52.59 | kgoetz | is there a dedicated debian sparc channel? and if so , is it on oftc or freenode? |
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| 09:53.55 | Ramattack | I have listened that debian kernels have they're own debian patches and optimizations.. if I grab a kernel from kernel.org won't have those debian improvements althout I use a debian config file |
| 09:53.55 | liable | !sparc |
| 09:53.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc |
| 09:53.57 | Ramattack | isn't it? |
| 09:54.24 | liable | kgoetz: iirc its on oftc now, try both servers |
| 09:54.49 | mc__ | Ramattack: you're right so use the debian packages,sid told you already how |
| 09:55.08 | kgoetz | hm. #debian-sparc is empty. i'll try oftc. thanks liable |
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| 09:55.56 | Ramattack | so doing apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 09:56.08 | Ramattack | I'll get the kernel source in /usr/src I suppose |
| 09:56.10 | Ramattack | then.... |
| 09:56.17 | Ramattack | after having all needed packages.... |
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| 09:56.24 | Ramattack | for recompiling... |
| 09:56.43 | liable | !tell Ramattack about kp |
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| 09:56.46 | liable | !tell Ramattack about kp mantra |
| 09:57.18 | Ramattack | How could I get the actual debian kernel configuration? using config-2.6.8-686? |
| 09:57.19 | liable | eek, that kpkg command is way to complicated |
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| 09:57.45 | liable | Ramattack: its in /boot copy it over to your source, renaming it .config |
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| 09:58.02 | liable | geoaxis: try postfix |
| 09:58.07 | kgoetz | liable: thanks, irc.debian.org -> #debian sparc is populated; ) |
| 09:58.08 | kgoetz | * :) |
| 09:58.28 | liable | kgoetz: dont get too excited, its a fairly quiet channel :) |
| 09:58.55 | Ramattack | the config file for kernel 2.6.8-686 would work for a 2.6.18 or 2.6.15 anyway any 2.6 kernel? |
| 09:59.02 | kgoetz | liable: hehe. i can imagine. i can lurk, as long as my shell with irssi doesnt go down ;) |
| 09:59.51 | liable | Ramattack: they dont change a great deal, but newer kernel have new options that old configs wont answer (they will be default) |
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| 10:02.31 | tango_ | hello all. I'm setting up debian on a new computer of mine. the cpu is an athlon64 dual core and the hard disk is attached to the SATA_II channel. I set the thing initially using the standard x86 netinst, and was now trying to switch to a more appropriate kernel (amd64-k8-smp). I am currently havint two problems (possibly related): the first one is that the SATA_II hard disk appears *both* as /dev/hdg *and* as /dev/sda. the second |
| 10:02.31 | tango_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:03.53 | hagabaka | where does dpkg-buildpackage store the built package? |
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| 10:04.16 | liable | tango_: eek, are you sure its the same disk thats reporting as the devs? havent heard of that one before |
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| 10:04.24 | kgoetz | hagabaka: iirc in cd ../ |
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| 10:04.43 | liable | ya, dir up from . |
| 10:04.44 | hagabaka | ah, thanks |
| 10:04.57 | kgoetz | (how should i say that... up one level?) |
| 10:05.22 | tango_ | liable, absolutely sure. even the net installer saw it as the same drive. apparently, this via chipset 'reveals' the sata ports as additional ide ports too: I have 4 ide ports: ide0-3. even the serial number shown by the installer was the same |
| 10:05.23 | liable | kgoetz: ../ worked for me :) |
| 10:05.40 | liable | tango_: freaky |
| 10:05.41 | kgoetz | liable: :) |
| 10:05.57 | tango_ | liable, I was quite puzzled by the thing, but even setting the bios to show the sata as ahci doesn't 'hide' the additional ide ports |
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| 10:06.35 | liable | tango_: hrm, sound like a kernel bug. nothing about it in any bugs or anything? |
| 10:07.00 | liable | i think my s key is dying |
| 10:08.12 | liable | tango_: can you acces the drive from both? |
| 10:08.18 | liable | out of interest |
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| 10:08.27 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 10:08.43 | tango_ | liable, actually, this is intereting: after the sda version is revealed (further down the boot) hdg access starts giving I/O errors all around |
| 10:08.58 | tango_ | let me pastebin the dmesg somewhere ... |
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| 10:09.26 | liable | so the ide shows up first? |
| 10:09.26 | tango_ | liable, yup |
| 10:09.37 | tango_ | what s the official paster for this channel? /msg dpkg paster gives no reply ... |
| 10:10.00 | liable | channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 10:10.41 | liable | oh, the bot was dead |
| 10:10.51 | tango_ | oh ok :D |
| 10:11.16 | tango_ | hm now how do I get the dmesg from that machine into the clipboard of this machine? :D |
| 10:11.43 | liable | ssh into it i guess |
| 10:11.48 | aidehua | Can I log out of gnome at the command line? |
| 10:12.03 | aidehua | $ gnome-end-session --logout # Something like that? |
| 10:12.06 | yos87 | I have question, how to install the mplayer? when I make ./configure I have error http://pastebin.ca/292278 |
| 10:12.09 | kgoetz | liable: do you know who runs that paste thingy? |
| 10:12.18 | liable | kgoetz: dondelelcaro |
| 10:12.21 | yos87 | and there is not .deb package for mplayer? |
| 10:12.38 | liable | yos87: there are debs. its even in the repo for sid now |
| 10:12.47 | liable | yos87: debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:13.05 | kgoetz | liable: thanks. |
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| 10:13.35 | aidehua | Ah: gnome-session-save --kill |
| 10:13.47 | liable | !info mplayer etch |
| 10:14.01 | liable | dpkg_: wake up |
| 10:14.07 | tango_ | liable, this is the dmesg |
| 10:14.40 | liable | where? |
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| 10:15.01 | tango_ | eham |
| 10:15.22 | liable | pastebot dead too? |
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| 10:15.25 | tango_ | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4922 -- see around line 70 |
| 10:15.55 | tango_ | liable, and then around line 140 or so |
| 10:17.13 | tango_ | is there a way to tell the kernel to only probe for ide0 and 1? |
| 10:17.46 | cahoot_ | tango_, search in kernel-parameters.txt |
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| 10:18.39 | liable | tango_: thats weird, its like its only the initrd modules that recognise it as ide |
| 10:18.47 | tango_ | yep |
| 10:19.03 | yos87 | liable: thank you for that, I used goooogle alot , I didn't get the site you give, I add that to the sources.list, Thank you |
| 10:19.04 | tango_ | maybe because the ide gets loaded before the sata stuff, dunno |
| 10:19.18 | cahoot_ | ide?=noprobe |
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| 10:20.08 | liable | tango_: see if you can remove that ide module from the initrd and see how it goes |
| 10:20.21 | cahoot_ | ide?=noprobe tango_ |
| 10:20.24 | liable | tango_: though i dunno how to do it with mkinitrams |
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| 10:20.39 | tango_ | I shouldn't remove the ide module though, I have an ide cdrom |
| 10:20.40 | liable | tango_: try what cahoot_ says too |
| 10:20.44 | tango_ | cahoot_, thanks |
| 10:20.51 | levander | Is it possible that changing the theme for GNOME has changed the font for emacs? |
| 10:21.13 | kgoetz | levander: only if using xemacs i would think (is ther a gemacs?) |
| 10:21.14 | liable | tango_: that module looks like it gets loaded by the real kernel later anyway |
| 10:21.44 | liable | stupid initrds |
| 10:21.50 | levander | kgoetz: no, i'm using GNU Emacs. It's strange, I opened up emacs for the first time today, and there's this really small font. Yesterday it was a big ugly font. |
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| 10:22.32 | kgoetz | levander: if your using standard emacs, no, i dont think there would be a way |
| 10:23.06 | liable | tango_: the cd controller is a different module anyway from the looks of it |
| 10:23.06 | liable | tango_: paste your lspci when you get a chance |
| 10:23.08 | mc__ | levander: you cann switch the font with -fn |
| 10:23.09 | EdLin | levander: I had the same problem with Emacs, the problem was that the paths for the fonts in my xorg.conf were incorrect. |
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| 10:24.00 | levander | EdLin: lemme check it out |
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| 10:26.48 | deb001 | hi everybody again |
| 10:27.25 | Ramattack | now OK |
| 10:27.36 | Ramattack | I've been fallen |
| 10:27.56 | Ramattack | I have get a hung and have lost all conversation |
| 10:37.12 | tango_ | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4923 |
| 10:37.12 | tango_ | ide2=noprobe and ide3=noprobe had no effect |
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| 10:37.13 | Ramattack | so...for recompiling a kernel in debian you can : apt-get kernel-source 2.6.18 and use the config of 2.6.8 but some non-existent options in kernel 2.6.8 that exist in kernel 2.6.18 will be tagged as default by kernel.org because in that config file from /boot there's no reference about that options |
| 10:37.13 | Ramattack | isn't it? |
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| 10:37.14 | liable | tango_: weird, 2 port sata controller, ide controller and two ahci controllers.. how many ports for drives you got on that? |
| 10:37.15 | tango_ | I have 2 ide ports, 2 sata ports and 2 sata_ii ports |
| 10:37.15 | tango_ | so the count is correct |
| 10:37.15 | liable | 2 or 4 sata2? |
| 10:37.15 | liable | oh, nah, two singl prt |
| 10:37.15 | tango_ | yep |
| 10:37.15 | tango_ | sata and sata2 are both single ports |
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| 10:37.15 | tango_ | and I have two of each, plus two ide ports |
| 10:37.16 | liable | sata is 2 port so lspci says. the drives on the sata1? |
| 10:37.16 | tango_ | nope, on sata2 |
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| 10:37.18 | tango_ | (and yes you're right sata is 1 2-port |
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| 10:39.49 | liable | tango_: no clue, too confusing for me :) |
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| 10:40.44 | liable | of course the easy fix is to put it on the via controller :) |
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| 10:42.56 | tango_ | liable, yeah but that would mean going from 3.0 GB/sec to 1.5 GB/sec ;) |
| 10:43.16 | liable | yeah, i thought you might mention that |
| 10:43.50 | liable | i cant really understand wtf is actually happening from reading that dmesg output |
| 10:44.34 | liable | it looks like it switches from the jmicron controller to the via one.. |
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| 10:45.22 | Ramattack | have to go see you later bye! |
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| 10:48.15 | liable | tango_: try #kernel or something, lemme know if you find an answer |
| 10:49.11 | kgoetz | what shoudl i do tonight (apart from drink): start learning python or exim+courier+filtering stuff+fetchmail? |
| 10:50.16 | liable | dont bother, you wont do any :P |
| 10:50.31 | liable | just waste the night away on irc :) |
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| 10:50.41 | kgoetz | liable: :( its sad because its true... i'll have to just sit on irc and drink it away :) |
| 10:50.46 | tango_ | liable, ok thanks. in the mean time I'll keep it in ahci mode |
| 10:51.03 | Ono | do you have any pop3 or smtp daemon advice for debian? |
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| 10:51.16 | liable | tango_: or ask again later when .us wakes up |
| 10:51.24 | tango_ | ehehe ok :) |
| 10:51.30 | Kevin` | Ono or? those are rather different requirements |
| 10:52.09 | Ono | Kevin`: i need just simple smtp and pop3 server |
| 10:52.30 | liable | tango_: do you have any drives on the sata1 controller? |
| 10:52.35 | tango_ | nope |
| 10:52.36 | Kevin` | Ono exim, popa3d? |
| 10:52.41 | liable | weird |
| 10:52.47 | Kevin` | I haven't tried enough to give a "best" |
| 10:53.01 | Ono | ok thans Kevin` |
| 10:53.08 | tango_ | howoever, I see that when the sata_ii controller is in ahci mode the FIRST one appears as ahci controller, not ide, but the second one (empty) still appears as ide |
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| 10:56.22 | xingu | tango_: what kernel v. is this? |
| 10:56.36 | tango_ | xingu, 2.6.18 |
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| 10:57.11 | kors | hi people. |
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| 10:57.24 | kors | I have a weird problem with xnest. |
| 10:57.31 | tango_ | the interesting thing is that it doesn't care about ide3=noprobe |
| 10:58.29 | kors | The binary just ignores +kb/-kb command line parameters, and I just do not get working xkb extention as the result. I'm running debian sarge. Any ideas (maybe I'm missing smth. obvious)? |
| 10:58.34 | xingu | tango_: what happens if you try hdg=noprobe ? |
| 10:58.40 | tango_ | hm |
| 10:58.43 | tango_ | let me try |
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| 11:00.27 | tango_ | xingu, no difference |
| 11:00.36 | tango_ | this is even weirder |
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| 11:00.57 | xingu | tango_: my take on this is that you may have a chipset driver JMB363 which is seeing the additional busses; just about to go digging into it to see what options it takes. |
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| 11:02.37 | xingu | oh goody, quirks. |
| 11:02.52 | tango_ | xingu, anything I can do to help? |
| 11:03.21 | tango_ | (keep in mind I'm quite the newbie at this kind of stuff) |
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| 11:04.51 | xingu | tango_: ...drivers/pci/quirks.c explicitly enables the AHCI parts of that controller by enabling it and the IDE function of the PCI peripheral |
| 11:05.20 | xingu | tango_: that's likely why you're getting the result you're getting - quirks.c is making it happen; the next question is how to control the result. |
| 11:05.50 | liable | looks like a new annoying controller |
| 11:05.54 | xingu | tango_: it's odd that ide2=noprobe is having no result for you; is there something mangled about your command line? |
| 11:06.17 | tango_ | xingu, mangled? |
| 11:06.21 | tango_ | i'm using grub, fwiw |
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| 11:06.38 | xingu | tango_: right; are you adding these as *boot* parameters (same line as root=) or as grub parameters? |
| 11:06.44 | xingu | tango_: the former is desired. |
| 11:06.48 | tango_ | former |
| 11:07.02 | xingu | tango_: can you add "vga=ask" as a canary? |
| 11:07.07 | tango_ | sure |
| 11:07.15 | xingu | tango_: need to isolate whether or not your boot parameters are reaching the kernel's parser. |
| 11:07.19 | tango_ | right |
| 11:08.41 | xingu | oh, hmm, I wonder |
| 11:08.46 | xingu | he's using modular ide isn't he |
| 11:09.21 | tango_ | xingu, vga=ask gets through |
| 11:09.38 | tango_ | xingu, I don't know, I'm using the stock debian 686-smp kernel |
| 11:09.47 | tango_ | (486 non-smp did the same though) |
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| 11:10.52 | xingu | tango_: just on a whim try ide.ide2=noprobe ide.ide3=noprobe; pretty sure that's not the right syntax but I think the wrinkle here is that you're using modular ide |
| 11:10.55 | dorel__ | Is it possible to find out a program by it's use of an inode? |
| 11:11.11 | xingu | dorel__: lsof ? |
| 11:11.28 | liable | dorel__: or fuser |
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| 11:12.11 | dorel__ | yeah I know about those, but I think I need to ask someone at #c or something, I'm talking about if it's possible through a function |
| 11:12.17 | dorel__ | although thanks :P |
| 11:14.08 | liable | there used to be a little c program in ibm-acpi? iirc that told you exactly what was accesing the drive |
| 11:14.38 | liable | the source package, not debian package. |
| 11:14.48 | dorel__ | ahh cool |
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| 11:15.00 | liable | if it even was ibm-acpi, it may well have been a totally different app |
| 11:15.00 | dorel__ | thanks for the info :P |
| 11:15.35 | liable | it was something to do with acpi though |
| 11:15.47 | tango_ | liable, ok, it's not ide.ide2 :D |
| 11:16.02 | liable | tango_: you mean xingu |
| 11:16.07 | tango_ | ehm |
| 11:16.10 | tango_ | sorry, yeah, xingu :D |
| 11:16.55 | CharminTheMoose | Amsn occasionally crashes and spews out this error:http://pastebin.ca/292300 |
| 11:17.11 | xingu | tango_: man, what a headache this controller is :) |
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| 11:19.38 | xingu | tango_: trying a different line of inquiry; just out of interest, does hdc=noprobe disable *that* ? |
| 11:19.45 | liable | dorel__: ah, it was part of laptop-mode-tools actually. echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 11:20.16 | tango_ | xingu, let me see |
| 11:20.25 | liable | dorel__: apparently theres a tool in the new version which may give you pointers also |
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| 11:20.55 | liable | dorel__: |
| 11:21.04 | liable | http://www.samwel.tk/laptop_mode/tools/ |
| 11:21.19 | tango_ | xingu, rebooting ... |
| 11:21.27 | liable | dorel__: there was a c program somewhere though, cause i remember compiling the fucker |
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| 11:23.08 | liable | or maybe i am just going batty |
| 11:23.32 | liable | might have been the sleep battery thing |
| 11:23.44 | tango_ | xingu, nope, did nothing |
| 11:24.00 | xingu | tango_: didn't disable the cdrom? |
| 11:24.05 | tango_ | nope |
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| 11:24.18 | tango_ | I can still mount it |
| 11:24.39 | xingu | tango_: I'm beginning to suspect that the boot parameters for ide aren't being passed correctly to a modular ide. |
| 11:25.02 | liable | i would compile a kernel and piss the initrd off |
| 11:25.28 | tango_ | hm |
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| 11:25.36 | liable | i tend to think that would solve the ide/sata problem |
| 11:25.43 | tango_ | eh |
| 11:25.45 | xingu | tango_: the behaviour (pata exposed to generic ide subsystem, sata exposed to libsata subsystem) is deliberate btw. |
| 11:25.52 | xingu | tango_: it's also new in 2.6.18 |
| 11:26.11 | tango_ | liable, but it should be fixed in debian too though, we can't have everyone building their own kernel :) |
| 11:26.14 | xingu | tango_: I gather it was safe enough to do on the developer's system |
| 11:26.16 | liable | i think thats a result of the driver not seeing pata disks |
| 11:26.19 | Endgamer | Hi folks. Anyone know why after doing an apt-get install of ruby and rubygems, and doing a rails gem install, that I get a command not found when trying to execute "rails testapp"? |
| 11:26.27 | Endgamer | I'm using a Debian Etch VPS. |
| 11:26.33 | xingu | tango_: are you unable to boot, or is this just untidiness? |
| 11:26.35 | tango_ | xingu, so the problem is how to pass options to the pata system |
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| 11:26.42 | liable | tango_: it will be eventually. filing a bug is a good start :) |
| 11:26.52 | tango_ | xingu, this is just untidiness, but amd64 kernel won't boot at all |
| 11:27.20 | tango_ | I'm currently running a 686-smp kernel, but would like to run an amd64-k8-smp one |
| 11:27.21 | chemaja | Endgamer: try specifying the absolute path to the exe |
| 11:27.37 | liable | tango_: please do file a bug explaining the situation and with your dmesg for the current kernel |
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| 11:27.47 | tango_ | liable, ok |
| 11:27.50 | Endgamer | chemaja: Alright. I'm new to all this, how might I go about doing that? :) |
| 11:27.52 | xingu | tango_: do you have a dmesg for the k8 kernel case? |
| 11:28.00 | Endgamer | n |
| 11:28.02 | chemaja | Endgamer: where is `rails' file stored in the filesyste? |
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| 11:28.10 | xingu | tango_: wondering if we're tilting at windmills here; maybe the problem is not storage related. |
| 11:28.15 | chemaja | Endgamer: /usr/local/bin/rails? ~myuser/bin/rails? etc. |
| 11:28.38 | Endgamer | ~myuser/bin/rails I believe. |
| 11:28.49 | tango_ | xingu, nope, init doesn't launch because /dev/console can't be found |
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| 11:28.50 | chemaja | Endgamer: well, check if the file is actually ther |
| 11:28.53 | liable | xingu: but why would a drive go from hdg to sdb if it werent controller related? |
| 11:29.05 | liable | !dev console |
| 11:29.14 | liable | meh, dpkg is dead |
| 11:29.24 | xingu | liable: hdg is the drive seen through the pata port; sdb is the same drive seen through the sata port |
| 11:29.29 | liable | dondelelcaro: dpkg is dead |
| 11:29.37 | tango_ | (sda, anyway) |
| 11:29.41 | xingu | liable: beyond the initial bus reset it shouldn't be an issue |
| 11:30.31 | xingu | tango_: missing dev/console usually means loading the initrd failed |
| 11:30.35 | liable | tango_: didnt you say you could still see both devs? |
| 11:30.49 | xingu | tango_: is that a message from the installer, or just from a kernel added post-installation? |
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| 11:30.58 | tango_ | liable, yes I see both devs |
| 11:31.11 | tango_ | xingu, the dev/console is given by a post-inst kernel |
| 11:31.29 | liable | @hi |
| 11:31.30 | tango_ | probably because the only amd64-k8-smp kernel is in stable |
| 11:31.30 | ravenbird | Many greetings, liable, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 11:31.35 | xingu | tango_: right; as another canary, does the relevant /boot/initrd-... exist for that kernel? |
| 11:31.54 | tango_ | xingu, I removed that kernel, let me set it up again |
| 11:31.55 | CharminTheMoose | Amsn occasionally crashes and spews out this error:http://pastebin.ca/292300 |
| 11:32.13 | liable | tango_: what! how did you install it? |
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| 11:32.35 | tango_ | liable, aptitute install etc? |
| 11:32.37 | xingu | liable: ia32 userland from the sounds of it with a k8 kernel added. |
| 11:32.47 | tango_ | yep |
| 11:32.54 | liable | he confused me when he mentioned stable |
| 11:32.56 | tango_ | my install was done with an x86 netinst |
| 11:33.06 | tango_ | etch x86 netinst |
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| 11:33.28 | tango_ | however I had to add stable to the repositories because there was no k8-smp kernel in testing or unstable |
| 11:33.38 | liable | right.. |
| 11:33.52 | xingu | tango_: I don't think that the hd/sd confusion will cause you anything other than a little boot-time cosmetic barf when the generic ide driver tries to grab a disk that's already busy |
| 11:34.00 | liable | tango_: smp is built in post .17. do NOT install the sarge one |
| 11:34.23 | tango_ | oh |
| 11:34.23 | xingu | tango_: from what I read, it's actually deliberate to enable both ports simultaneously, to the same pair of targets |
| 11:34.52 | liable | CharminTheMoose: file a bug |
| 11:35.03 | xingu | tango_: heaven only knows who/what/why thought that was sound engineering practice, but that's how the driver works at present |
| 11:35.21 | tango_ | xingu, I'll file a bug about that |
| 11:35.26 | xingu | tango_: and it in theory should be safe enough; my best guess would be that you're chasing a red herring |
| 11:35.40 | liable | xingu: i think its a hack, lots of complaints from .17 about it not seeing pata |
| 11:35.45 | xingu | tango_: my best guess would be that your k8 kernel boot failure is probably due to not having an initrd |
| 11:35.59 | tango_ | ok, but the hdg access errors are a PITN |
| 11:36.02 | xingu | liable: .17 doesn't have the quirk merged. |
| 11:36.04 | liable | no, i would say its due to using a sarge kernel |
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| 11:36.24 | liable | @beat raf256 |
| 11:36.25 | xingu | liable: this is a 2.6.18 and newer quirk |
| 11:36.55 | liable | xingu: thats right, its a hack for the .17 bugs |
| 11:36.56 | tango_ | liable, I'm using a testing/unstable kernel right now. the sarge kernel doesn't boot |
| 11:37.09 | raf256 | !smite liable |
| 11:37.26 | liable | tango_: just install a etch kernel for your arch. dont worry about smp |
| 11:37.31 | xingu | tango_: now; back to kernels; if the k8 kernel isn't there, have you looked for an amd64 one? in the amd64 port at least, the arch/cpu specific kernels were all merged circa 2.6.18 |
| 11:37.37 | raf256 | xingu: what bug |
| 11:37.41 | tango_ | xingu, let me see |
| 11:38.01 | xingu | one kernel to rule them all |
| 11:38.12 | raf256 | vista kernel |
| 11:38.15 | tango_ | no amd64 kernels |
| 11:38.37 | tango_ | .. |
| 11:38.38 | tango_ | hm |
| 11:39.03 | tango_ | there's a k7 kernel |
| 11:39.19 | tango_ | should I use that? |
| 11:39.47 | xingu | raf256: tango_ has a jmb363 ahci controller on a via chipset board; it's decoding both sata *and* pata ports at the same time, hence two bus-views of the same hdd's (one via generic ide, one via libsata) |
| 11:40.24 | xingu | raf256: the ideX=noprobe syntax does nowt; this may be due to modular ide, it may be due to the way the jmb363 quirk is handled. |
| 11:40.43 | liable | tango_: what was the source line you had to get that kernel? |
| 11:41.41 | liable | !beat raf256 |
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| 11:41.50 | liable | oh, its back |
| 11:41.58 | tango_ | liable, aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8-smp ---- anyway, I removed the stable apt sources and now the 'best match' I get is a linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 11:42.05 | tango_ | (for my system) |
| 11:42.16 | tango_ | should I use that? |
| 11:42.21 | tango_ | or stick to 686? |
| 11:42.29 | liable | tango_: no, the actuall sources list, i think you had 64 repo not 32 |
| 11:42.34 | liable | 486 |
| 11:43.18 | tango_ | liable, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
| 11:43.18 | tango_ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 11:43.18 | tango_ | # deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 11:43.26 | liable | ok |
| 11:43.47 | tango_ | are the 64 repos different sources? |
| 11:43.53 | liable | yes |
| 11:44.05 | tango_ | oooooooooooooooooooh |
| 11:44.13 | liable | unless you have a good reason, dont use 64 |
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| 11:44.27 | liable | !amd64 |
| 11:44.27 | dpkg_ | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 11:44.33 | xingu | tango_: baking a x86_64 kernel and ia32 userland is doable but not exactly supported. :) |
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| 11:45.22 | peterrus | !nvidia |
| 11:45.22 | dpkg_ | i heard nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about <nvidia-installer>. Instead, see <nvidia-graphics-drivers> for instructions, or<nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. |
| 11:45.26 | tango_ | can I just switch to the amd64 sources and dist-upgrade to everything? |
| 11:45.28 | ymo000 | is there a utility to convert a "make install" to a debian deb ? |
| 11:45.42 | xingu | tango_: not really, it's a different arch. |
| 11:45.46 | tango_ | oh |
| 11:45.50 | peterrus | !=/msg dokg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 11:45.53 | peterrus | : / |
| 11:46.04 | liable | ymo000: for a package? |
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| 11:46.15 | tango_ | xingu, so I have to reinstall starting from an amd64 netinst? |
| 11:46.29 | xingu | tango_: probably the best way yes |
| 11:46.34 | tango_ | *sigh* |
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| 11:46.41 | ymo000 | liable, i have some src file that use make install .. so i need a way of capturing what it istallas as a deb |
| 11:46.59 | xingu | tango_: one day the answer will be - multiarch. |
| 11:47.03 | cahoot_ | peterrus, etch? |
| 11:47.06 | peterrus | yeah |
| 11:47.14 | peterrus | "/msg dpkg nvidia-graphics-drivers" |
| 11:47.16 | peterrus | doesnt work |
| 11:47.23 | liable | ymo000: eh? you want to make a deb, or just want to see where it installs stuff? |
| 11:47.28 | cahoot_ | try msg dpkg nvidia etch |
| 11:47.31 | xingu | !nvidia one-liner |
| 11:47.31 | dpkg_ | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 11:47.33 | liable | peterrus: without the quotes |
| 11:47.34 | peterrus | okie :) |
| 11:47.34 | tango_ | xingu, ok, for the moment I'll stick to x86_32 with an 686 smp kernel |
| 11:47.37 | peterrus | i know |
| 11:47.42 | peterrus | liable, just to show it |
| 11:47.58 | ymo000 | liable, i want to make a deb of what it installs so i dont keep rebuilding the files on all hosts |
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| 11:48.12 | liable | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 11:48.12 | dpkg_ | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 11:48.22 | peterrus | i got it :) |
| 11:48.37 | peterrus | but why doest |
| 11:48.37 | liable | peterrus: dpkg is registered, dpkg_ isnt, so it cant /msg |
| 11:48.48 | peterrus | huh ? |
| 11:49.14 | peterrus | but why doesnt dpkg answer me? |
| 11:49.34 | liable | peterrus: dpkg has died and respawned as dpkg_, and that nick isnt registered on freenode, so it cant private message |
| 11:49.47 | peterrus | so i cant ask him anything? |
| 11:49.52 | peterrus | unless i do it here? |
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| 11:50.23 | liable | yes |
| 11:50.59 | liable | peterrus: /msg ravenbird foo |
| 11:51.11 | peterrus | that doesnt work |
| 11:51.30 | peterrus | !etch nvidia |
| 11:51.30 | dpkg_ | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 11:51.32 | liable | yes it does |
| 11:51.45 | peterrus | liable, if i do that dpkg doesnt answer me |
| 11:51.53 | liable | @tell peterrus about etch nvidia |
| 11:51.59 | peterrus | you just said it cant because it isnt registered |
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| 11:52.13 | peterrus | liable, well that doesnt give me anything |
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| 11:52.32 | ymo000 | liable, no idea about the make install stuff ? |
| 11:52.40 | liable | peterrus: it doesnt have that factoid, but it has most of the ones dpkg does |
| 11:52.52 | peterrus | i see :/ |
| 11:53.02 | liable | ymo000: you didnt answer my question |
| 11:53.16 | obstfliege | moinsen |
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| 11:54.28 | dromer | using http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/apacheinstall.htm |
| 11:54.49 | dromer | Edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/ssl (or whatever you called your new ssl site's config) and change port 80 in the name of the site to 443. << I'm not sure what to do here |
| 11:55.09 | ymo000 | i tough i did .. i am looking for a tool that will 1) figure what/where it imake install is putting stuff 2) make a deb out of what was installed so that i can take it to the next machine whithout have to do confgure && make && make install |
| 11:55.19 | dromer | for there is na port nomed in this file, but I think there should be something at <NameVirtualHost> * |
| 11:56.08 | liable | ymo000: well, its not *that* simple. you can make a deb. (see the new maintainers guide) or use make -n install to see where it installs stuff |
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| 11:56.36 | ymo000 | liable, so there is no automated tool for this :( |
| 11:57.00 | tango_ | xingu, should I report the bug as normal, important or what? |
| 11:57.02 | liable | ymo000: sheesh, you reckon debian packaging is *that* easy? :P |
| 11:57.15 | peterrus | debian packaging is easy |
| 11:57.21 | liable | ymo000: however, making a deb isnt so hard |
| 11:57.44 | ymo000 | liable, thats why i tought this would be automated somehow |
| 11:57.52 | liable | peterrus: sure, can you make an xserver-xgl deb for me? |
| 11:58.01 | peterrus | liable, dont know, never tried that |
| 11:58.20 | peterrus | but i made on for for example metasploit, and that wasnt that hard |
| 11:58.31 | liable | peterrus: i'll be here for another hour. please have it done by then :P |
| 11:58.44 | peterrus | neh, gotta fix my nvidia drivers |
| 11:59.05 | peterrus | is xgl a mature project? |
| 11:59.23 | liable | yes and no |
| 11:59.36 | dromer | http://pastebin.com/845099 < crap (noob here, trying to set up ssl) |
| 11:59.46 | liable | its still beta and almost deprecated unless you have an ati card |
| 11:59.47 | peterrus | i've seen a few demo's and was really impressed |
| 12:00.02 | peterrus | liable, what do you mean with that? |
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| 12:00.29 | liable | peterrus: the new nvidia drivers do aiglx, as do the old ati and intel ones |
| 12:00.35 | peterrus | i see |
| 12:00.44 | peterrus | and what does aiglx bring me? |
| 12:00.53 | liable | same shit as xgl |
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| 12:00.56 | cahoot_ | trouble |
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| 12:01.15 | peterrus | so when i install these drivers i can throw windows around me screen? |
| 12:01.19 | liable | s/old/open source/ |
| 12:01.23 | peterrus | or isnt that xgl? |
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| 12:01.33 | liable | peterrus: google |
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| 12:01.39 | peterrus | lets do that ;) |
| 12:01.49 | xingu | tango_: don't ask me, I don't see it as a bug at all. :) |
| 12:01.56 | rde | Hi ! How do I change he name of my machine ? Do I need to edit /etc/hosts and modify entry for 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 12:02.05 | rde | s/he/the |
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| 12:02.34 | peterrus | wow |
| 12:02.45 | peterrus | rde, hostname |
| 12:02.47 | peterrus | man hostname |
| 12:02.57 | rde | ok thanks |
| 12:03.11 | peterrus | liable, so i install compiz + xgl and i can do that? |
| 12:03.31 | liable | peterrus: except you have to package it first |
| 12:03.47 | liable | peterrus: which according to you, is easy. |
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| 12:03.58 | peterrus | liable, stop that xD |
| 12:04.12 | peterrus | liable, why isnt xgl packages, not mature enough? |
| 12:04.16 | peterrus | packaged* |
| 12:04.26 | Anarka | anyone with second life ? im having problems logging in |
| 12:04.41 | liable | peterrus: no on in X-strike force cares about it really |
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| 12:05.29 | liable | peterrus: aiglx is the future |
| 12:05.29 | u4a | hola |
| 12:05.30 | liable | peterrus: xgl depends on the proprietry drivers to work, so it would be a pita |
| 12:05.30 | peterrus | liable, too bad, i liked what i saw |
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| 12:05.38 | peterrus | liable, why is that, my drivers work well :/ |
| 12:05.41 | darek | hi |
| 12:05.53 | darek | how can i check which wersion of php i have installled |
| 12:06.03 | u4a | in looking for an Info file for the standard library functions |
| 12:06.16 | liable | peterrus: yeah, today. then something breaks and you scream at the xgl maintainer to fix your wobblies |
| 12:06.41 | peterrus | liable, maybe you are right |
| 12:06.45 | u4a | darek: make a php --help |
| 12:06.50 | amphi | u4a: glibc docs are in non-free I believe |
| 12:06.51 | liable | u4a: not in the gccc docs? |
| 12:06.51 | dorel__ | is debian installing well on those soekris/pc engines wrap boards? |
| 12:07.00 | darek | u4a, thx |
| 12:07.31 | liable | u4a: i think amphi is right actually |
| 12:07.45 | darek | u4a, -bash: php: command not found |
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| 12:08.10 | u4a | darek: man php ? |
| 12:08.20 | u4a | thanks people :) |
| 12:08.24 | liable | dpkg -l |grep php |
| 12:08.24 | dpkg | ii |grep php 3.7-15.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 12:08.29 | pstickne | darek, that's good. don't be sad. |
| 12:08.34 | liable | dpkg: shuddup |
| 12:08.35 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 12:08.58 | darek | u4a, pstickne No manual entry for php |
| 12:09.07 | pstickne | darek, that's good too. |
| 12:09.25 | darek | ;] |
| 12:09.30 | liable | dondelelcaro: ta |
| 12:09.34 | darek | 4.3 |
| 12:09.44 | darek | ok thx |
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| 12:12.07 | u4a | darek: do you have php installed? :P |
| 12:12.22 | darek | u4a, yes |
| 12:13.02 | u4a | man -k php |
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| 12:14.54 | capiira | hmmm anyone know if there is a tool to customize the look of apps using motif ? |
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| 12:18.12 | u4a | the package is called glibc-doc-reference |
| 12:18.31 | tango_ | liable, xingu thanks for your efforts. I'll see what the bug reports brings to me :) |
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| 12:18.48 | liable | tango_: bug number? |
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| 12:21.08 | DavidProck1981 | what the hell kind of cooling unit is this http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?img=abit_IN932XMAX_09l.jpg |
| 12:21.31 | tango_ | liable, I haven't been given a number yet |
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| 12:22.22 | liable | tango_: you'll get an email |
| 12:22.29 | DavidProck1981 | any one look at that pic |
| 12:22.29 | tango_ | liable, I know :) |
| 12:22.46 | liable | no |
| 12:22.47 | DavidProck1981 | http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?img=abit_IN932XMAX_09l.jpg iti is a motherboard |
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| 12:25.27 | Coweater | DavidProck1981: it's some heat pipes with fins, relies on air coming off the cpu heatsink |
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| 12:28.00 | DavidProck1981 | how does that all work, and is it very good cooling meathod or is there better |
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| 12:29.24 | Coweater | google heat pipes, it works well, probably overkill |
| 12:29.29 | DavidProck1981 | here is the main link that the pic, and more is on http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/978/ |
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| 12:30.59 | harold2006 | hi, my telnetd shows the following problem: when trying to telnet localhost, it says connection refused |
| 12:31.26 | harold2006 | then, strace of the telnetd daemon, says read(4, .... ) |
| 12:31.40 | EdLin | capiira: motif can be customized using Xresource files. |
| 12:31.52 | harold2006 | but ls -l /proc/telnet pid/fd/ donsn't show a 4 -> file |
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| 12:32.06 | harold2006 | any hints ? |
| 12:32.06 | capiira | ahh thx |
| 12:34.27 | EdLin | harold2006: telnet is evil, use ssh |
| 12:34.52 | protocol1 | is there an easy way to load Nvidia drivers for my desktop? |
| 12:35.02 | EdLin | !nvidia |
| 12:35.02 | dpkg | nvidia is, like, DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about <nvidia-installer>. Instead, see <nvidia-graphics-drivers> for instructions, or<nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. |
| 12:35.55 | protocol1 | dpkg nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 12:35.55 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 12:40.01 | chris_goe | hi |
| 12:40.35 | chris_goe | is there a "apt-get $something" command to fetch only security upgrades? |
| 12:41.03 | chris_goe | like, while tracking unstable, I only want to get all the -sec updates? |
| 12:41.54 | chris_goe | (I know, -sid has no security update support), I'm just curious if there is some procedure to do so anyway. |
| 12:45.39 | dorel__ | man this ibm box is giving me hell |
| 12:46.42 | enyc | but thats just an ibm desktop with i430HX chipset running at 83-sometihng mhz fsb running amd k6-2 cpu with ha<<ored voltage regulator ;-) |
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| 12:47.41 | pumpkin0 | dorel__: IBM makes / made all kinds of hardware, what do you have ? |
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| 12:48.20 | dorel__ | pumpkin0: an IBM xSeries 346 |
| 12:48.56 | dorel__ | pumpkin0: there are 2 scsi drives there, so at first when they were BOTH plugged in the install was going fine but when it tried to boot it had errors (before even grub ever loaded) |
| 12:49.51 | dorel__ | pumpkin0: so I took out one of the hds now and installed with only one plugged-in and the install went fine, grub also showed up and boot but during the boot process it drops me into a busybox shell cause it couldn't mount the scsi drive |
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| 12:50.26 | dorel__ | pumpkin0: only like a minute after I see both scsi drives detected and then I can mount them manually... |
| 12:50.46 | dorel__ | pumpkin0: I believe this is a bios-issue thingie but I haven't dealt with this kind of hardware ever so... any clues? |
| 12:51.26 | iLLf8d | night all |
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| 12:53.16 | el_mexicano | hi there |
| 12:53.24 | pumpkin0 | dorel__: nope. I have no idea how the xSeries works. I just fished for some info, so you would tell the channel a bit more. |
| 12:53.50 | el_mexicano | if i start debian, it stops at grub minimal system. what can i do? |
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| 12:54.16 | lipstick29 | dose anyone get a 404 when trying http://tinyurl.com/yemsr8 |
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| 12:56.18 | CruX| | hi |
| 12:56.19 | CruX| | echo "scale=0; a=4*2.123; print a" | bc -l |
| 12:56.28 | CruX| | how can i round a ? |
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| 13:00.41 | capiira | hmmm anyone can help me out with motif? |
| 13:01.01 | capiira | im searching for a way to customize that ugly diamond radiobuttons |
| 13:01.07 | capiira | :) |
| 13:01.14 | whadar | how do i install pxegrub into etch? grub package does not include it |
| 13:01.36 | mc__ | lipstick29: i get 404 |
| 13:01.55 | capiira | few apps use it like xmms |
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| 13:05.13 | whadar | errr why pxegrub is not in the grub package... i cant understand that |
| 13:05.45 | blondie | is that a question? |
| 13:05.59 | kgoetz | lol |
| 13:06.22 | whadar | can you explain it to me? |
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| 13:11.06 | liable | !seen stew |
| 13:11.06 | dpkg | stew <i=1413@rrcs-72-43-105-66.nyc.biz.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 16h 10m 19s ago, saying: 'its weekend time for me. time to start making cookies'. |
| 13:11.28 | liable | !seen xk |
| 13:11.29 | dpkg | xk <i=rfc1413@203-59-82-184.dyn.iinet.net.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 24d 2h 55m 41s ago, saying: 'Palish: traceroute/ping from the slow machine.'. |
| 13:11.50 | Thms | how to change the mysql password of a user ? |
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| 13:11.59 | blondie | Thms: #mysql? |
| 13:12.13 | Thms | thanks blondie |
| 13:12.16 | liable | Thms: theres a shitload of good docs for mysql on the net |
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| 13:13.20 | el_mexicano | how to access debian filesystem with damaged grub |
| 13:13.49 | asg | el_mexicano: boot with a rescue disc or the installer and mount the filesystems |
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| 13:14.30 | el_mexicano | i don't remember the name of the one live cd with debian on it |
| 13:14.54 | asg | el_mexicano: just use the debian install cd |
| 13:14.55 | liable | any linux cd will do |
| 13:15.07 | pumpkin0 | el_mexicano: try knoppix. (There is a liveCD from debian, but knoppix works better in most cases) |
| 13:15.22 | el_mexicano | i have just the netinstall, there wasn't an rescue option |
| 13:15.30 | liable | there is |
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| 13:15.38 | liable | for the etch one |
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| 13:15.59 | liable | for sarge its still possible, just a little more complicated |
| 13:16.23 | el_mexicano | no stable |
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| 13:16.48 | pumpkin0 | el_mexicano: let it boot, then change to another VT (ctrl-alt-F1 ... F6). There should be at least 1 root console up. |
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| 13:17.30 | liable | problem with the srage one is it uses devfs. its ok if you understand it |
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| 13:18.46 | hd|laptop | hello |
| 13:19.04 | hd|laptop | i have got a problem with the NVIDIA graphic driver |
| 13:19.14 | liable | yes |
| 13:19.14 | hd|laptop | it tells me it cannot build the kernel module |
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| 13:20.04 | cahoot_ | missing linux-headers? |
| 13:20.10 | hd|laptop | i have installed all |
| 13:20.27 | hd|laptop | kernel and tree and headers |
| 13:21.46 | pumpkin0 | hd|laptop: downloaded the nvidia driver from nvidia or installed the debian-package ? |
| 13:21.46 | liable | an actuall build error might help |
| 13:22.08 | hd|laptop | Pumpkin0, downlaoded from nvidia |
| 13:22.18 | hd|laptop | please dont say me there is a package... |
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| 13:22.30 | pumpkin0 | !nvidia |
| 13:22.30 | dpkg | well, nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about <nvidia-installer>. Instead, see <nvidia-graphics-drivers> for instructions, or<nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. |
| 13:22.42 | hd|laptop | thankx |
| 13:22.45 | pumpkin0 | hd|laptop: well, this is your lucky day ... |
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| 13:22.51 | capiira | whats the default x11 windows manager ? it eve motif? |
| 13:22.53 | hd|laptop | OWNED |
| 13:22.56 | hd|laptop | thank you! |
| 13:23.26 | pumpkin0 | capiira: by default gnome get's installed. |
| 13:23.40 | hd|laptop | !nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 13:23.42 | capiira | yeah but what does apps like xmms use? |
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| 13:23.58 | capiira | i mean for the ugly menus |
| 13:24.12 | pumpkin0 | capiira: the basic X11-protocol, QT or gtk. |
| 13:24.16 | capiira | with that diamond check boxed |
| 13:24.24 | Smacs | Thast CDE |
| 13:24.28 | capiira | check boxes |
| 13:24.29 | Smacs | ? |
| 13:24.46 | capiira | dunno |
| 13:24.52 | capiira | i was thinking it motif |
| 13:24.58 | pumpkin0 | !tell hd|laptop about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 13:25.05 | DavidProck1981 | has any one know if the NVIDIA nForce® 680i Motherboard will work like it is supposed to with linux |
| 13:25.22 | pumpkin0 | hd|laptop: you missed the s at the end. |
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| 13:26.50 | cahoot_ | ® ? |
| 13:26.53 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: find out which chips it uses and: |
| 13:26.54 | pumpkin0 | !tell DavidProck1981 about which driver |
| 13:27.12 | liable | !smack cahoot_ |
| 13:27.46 | capiira | yeah its motif |
| 13:27.54 | capiira | but ic ant find a installed package |
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| 13:28.42 | portofu | anyone know if installing 2 linux dist on same system creating RAIDs with same name would cause any problems? 1st linux: /dev/md0 /dev/md1 2nd linux: /dev/md0 /dev/md1 /dev/md2 |
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| 13:30.03 | pumpkin0 | portofu: as long as the /etc is separte and the UUID of the disc/partitions is unique... no problem. |
| 13:30.48 | DavidProck1981 | wow pumpkin0 that is a very nice web site, thanks |
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| 13:31.28 | portofu | hmm, i would think so too. i installed 2nd linux on my main box yesterday and tried boot into 1st one... it detects md0, md1, md2, md3, md4 and throws me into single user mode |
| 13:31.45 | portofu | something have to do with UDEV? |
| 13:31.49 | pumpkin0 | DavidProck1981: mind, it is only for 2.6 kernels. Do not use it for 2.4 kernel systems. |
| 13:31.56 | portofu | reading off the RAID superblock? |
| 13:32.29 | ujwal | what should i do in my debian to support multihead linux |
| 13:32.31 | portofu | (yes, they are all separate partitions) |
| 13:32.34 | pumpkin0 | portofu: the autodection will find the other RAIDs you created before. You can overwrite that. |
| 13:32.54 | pumpkin0 | ujwal: depends on the gfx-card(s) you have. |
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| 13:33.11 | portofu | pumpkin0, you know a link or some info on web i can look into? |
| 13:33.13 | pumpkin0 | portofu: overwrite the config, not the RAID ... |
| 13:33.14 | ujwal | ooh |
| 13:33.31 | ujwal | pumpkin0, what graphics cards are preferrable |
| 13:33.48 | portofu | unsure which program config file you are mentioning about |
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| 13:34.09 | pumpkin0 | portofu: done it a long time ago, i don't know which way is best in recent kernels. It is the kernel himself doing the autodetect. |
| 13:34.50 | portofu | ahh... :) thanks for the info. it helps a bit. |
| 13:34.51 | pumpkin0 | ujwal: anything supported by linux (older ATI, some nvidias or anything from intel). |
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| 13:35.34 | ujwal | pumpkin0, thanks a lot |
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| 13:36.29 | protocol2 | where is the sources.list default location? |
| 13:36.36 | asg | protocol2: /etc/apt |
| 13:36.43 | protocol2 | thank you sir |
| 13:36.47 | asg | you're welcome |
| 13:37.36 | protocol2 | yeah Im loading Etch....it seems a tad bit more stable than Ubuntu |
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| 13:39.09 | protocol2 | now that I got Nvidia drivers loaded...my next goal is to get wireless running on it |
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| 13:39.36 | liable | nice to see the ubuntu users seeing the light |
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| 13:40.08 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: you know the which-driver website ? |
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| 13:40.23 | protocol2 | well...it took me a year to realize it |
| 13:41.08 | protocol2 | my wireless card is a netgear WG311 |
| 13:41.13 | valdyn | portofu: that would cause problems, raid ID are on disk, unrelated to operating system, they will be the same across different linuxes |
| 13:41.45 | protocol2 | no |
| 13:41.46 | mc__ | liable: i think Ubuntu is great |
| 13:41.54 | mc__ | liable: it keeps the ignorants away from debian |
| 13:41.59 | liable | protocol2: the card means nought, the chipset is the key |
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| 13:42.07 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, but if your are kind to help me that would be nice |
| 13:42.18 | pumpkin0 | !tell protocol2 about which driver |
| 13:42.27 | portofu | valdyn, so i assume installing diff. linux on diff. /dev/md* would solve the problem right? |
| 13:42.28 | protocol2 | let me do a lspci first guys then paste the info |
| 13:42.36 | liable | mc__: actually quite true. but once they gain a clue, they come to debian |
| 13:42.38 | valdyn | portofu: yea |
| 13:42.42 | protocol2 | im sure that will clear up things a bit |
| 13:42.52 | valdyn | portofu: beside that you might want to use lvm on mdX, but that's your choice |
| 13:43.02 | valdyn | !lvm |
| 13:43.02 | dpkg | somebody said lvm was at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 13:43.10 | portofu | thanks a bunch. i will try that when i get home after work |
| 13:43.28 | mc__ | liable: not true for everyone |
| 13:43.42 | liable | mc__: whatever |
| 13:43.55 | portofu | i don't really have use for lvm. i'm just having /boot, swap, and /. it's my home box |
| 13:44.05 | portofu | dont think /boot can get off on RAID0 |
| 13:44.07 | portofu | :) |
| 13:44.31 | liable | you can boot / of raid, not lvm with grub, lilo can |
| 13:44.42 | valdyn | portofu: yea, probably not, i know nothing about that detail |
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| 13:45.01 | portofu | liable, as far as i know /boot can't boot off any RAID setup other than RAID1 |
| 13:45.03 | valdyn | portofu: i wouldnt use lilo, but that's just me again |
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| 13:45.32 | mc__ | valdyn: if you like XFS you have to use lilo,sadly |
| 13:45.35 | liable | portofu: dunno about raid1, raid0 is certainly possible |
| 13:45.36 | portofu | yea, i'm so used to grub now :/ |
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| 13:45.52 | valdyn | mc__: anything else is fine for /boot, so uh, nah |
| 13:45.56 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
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| 13:46.32 | liable | protocol2: lvm is another matter |
| 13:46.32 | protocol2 | sorry |
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| 13:46.39 | liable | portofu: ^^ |
| 13:46.53 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: i will not get your data that way ... use a pastebin. |
| 13:47.06 | protocol2 | yeah I know my bad |
| 13:47.11 | protocol2 | have a url |
| 13:47.14 | protocol2 | ? |
| 13:47.23 | pumpkin0 | !tell protocol2 about pastebin |
| 13:48.03 | liable | later |
| 13:49.23 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/845128 |
| 13:49.42 | protocol2 | im using a netgear wireless PCI card |
| 13:50.11 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: you need a "lspci -n" (the -n is important) for that website. |
| 13:50.24 | protocol2 | ok |
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| 13:51.27 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:52.34 | HardDisk_WP | hello |
| 13:52.38 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, thanx! |
| 13:52.43 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/845130 |
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| 13:52.58 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: that is not fatal and nothing to worry about. |
| 13:53.15 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:apologies,but it crashes amsn |
| 13:53.30 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, line 19 is what Im probably trying to get working |
| 13:53.33 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: that a programming error in amsn. |
| 13:53.44 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: try "modprobe ath_pci" |
| 13:53.49 | protocol2 | ok thx |
| 13:53.53 | protocol2 | let me try it |
| 13:54.23 | protocol2 | as root? |
| 13:54.23 | Sloca | can anyone tell me what does this line do [ -e /etc/default/openbsd-inetd ] && . /etc/default/openbsd-inetd ?? |
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| 13:54.36 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: yes. It should throw around some errors about the firmware, i want to see those. |
| 13:54.42 | mc__ | Sloca: man test |
| 13:54.48 | Sloca | tnks |
| 13:54.51 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: no problem. (that was the problem again ... ?) |
| 13:54.53 | protocol2 | ok...I will get those to pastebin as well |
| 13:55.32 | mc__ | Sloca: if /etc/default/openbsd-inetd exists it launches /etc/default/openbsd-inetd |
| 13:56.12 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, nvidia |
| 13:56.22 | tango_ | liable, xingu : the doubled hard disk is now on the debian bts as bug # 404568 |
| 13:56.33 | Sloca | mc__: I need to put the '.' in order to execute? |
| 13:56.44 | Sloca | the command |
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| 13:56.52 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, FATAL: Module ath_pci not found. |
| 13:56.58 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: ah, now i remmber. |
| 13:57.04 | mc__ | Sloca: yes,but ther mustnt be a space betwen . and /etc/... |
| 13:57.11 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, yep |
| 13:57.13 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: uname -a => which kernel |
| 13:57.13 | HardDisk_WP | <-- afk |
| 13:57.20 | Sloca | mc__: thnks |
| 13:57.32 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, does Debian support a stand-by? |
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| 13:57.52 | mc__ | Sloca: you're welcome |
| 13:57.56 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: yes. But some modules do not. IMMV |
| 13:58.04 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, Linux debian-Desktop 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:58.06 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, how do I activate it? |
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| 13:58.43 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:so i should use an older version and file a bug report? |
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| 13:59.06 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: check the current state: "cat /proc/acpi/sleep" |
| 13:59.28 | cyzie | is lenny in tseting now or still etch ? |
| 13:59.36 | CharminTheMoose | still etch |
| 13:59.38 | blondie | etch is testing |
| 13:59.42 | blondie | never heard of lenny :P |
| 13:59.50 | HardDisk_WP | marco@marco-debian:~$ cat /proc/acpi/sleep |
| 13:59.50 | HardDisk_WP | S0 S1 S3 S4 S5 |
| 14:00.04 | blondie | !lenny |
| 14:00.04 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 14:00.10 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, what does this mean? |
| 14:00.48 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: S3 should be suspend-to-RAM aka standby. save everything, close X and run as root in console echo "S3" > /proc/acpi/sleep. |
| 14:00.54 | Sloca | mc__: just one more thing...is it possible to execute commands like this . com1 && . com2 && . com3 (com = command) ?? |
| 14:01.03 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, thx |
| 14:01.41 | mc__ | Sloca: yes,but im not sure if this is want you want to do |
| 14:01.54 | mc__ | Sloca: and you dont need a leading . if the command is in your path |
| 14:02.02 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: you should update / upgrade everything, then try again. And make sure the bts does not already list that error. |
| 14:02.30 | mc__ | Sloca: with com1 && com2 you only run com2 when com1 terminated without problems |
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| 14:02.52 | Jimmymaniac | Hi, merry christmas :) |
| 14:02.54 | Sloca | mc__: thnks for ur help :) |
| 14:02.54 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, see my kernel verion above |
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| 14:03.09 | protocol2 | version* |
| 14:03.17 | mc__ | Sloca: np,but now you should read a Bash tutorial if you want to know more |
| 14:03.56 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: yes, i see, but i chat with 6 other people as well. I think it's one of those optional, non-GPL modules. Wait a sec. |
| 14:04.08 | surfbuddy | i have a debian system, and i was using it on a Belina LCD monitor before, but now I am using it with a very old hp72 monitor ( 15 inch ). and the xwindow does not start. |
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| 14:04.13 | Jimmymaniac | Quick question: what's the quickest way to copy everything on a harddisk to another? commandline, one in hda (the one that has the data) and the other in hdb, running etch? |
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| 14:04.31 | Jimmymaniac | quickest, or simplest |
| 14:04.36 | DerJamster | cp -R? |
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| 14:05.06 | Jimmymaniac | DerJamster: the system is running, won't i run into trouble with /proc and the like? |
| 14:05.19 | Sloca | mc__: I am reading right now but I was with some doubts... |
| 14:05.23 | surfbuddy | i have a debian system, and i was using it on a Belina LCD monitor before, but now I am using it with a very old hp72 monitor ( 15 inch ). and the xwindow does not start. what do i have to do so that the comp recgnises my monitor |
| 14:05.29 | Jimmymaniac | that's why i haven't just cp -a /* /domewhere/ yet |
| 14:05.29 | mc__ | Jimmymaniac: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1024 |
| 14:05.31 | DerJamster | It won't copy parts of proc..but that doesn't matter. -why- do you want to copy the whole sys? |
| 14:05.37 | DerJamster | if you want to keep permissions, yeah..dd |
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| 14:05.56 | DerJamster | yay for raw copys. |
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| 14:06.36 | surfbuddy | hey guys, no answers !!! |
| 14:06.52 | Ronin | surfbuddy: patience |
| 14:07.03 | asg | surfbuddy: /msg dpkg drxx (choose a lower resolution that works with that monitor) |
| 14:07.15 | Jimmymaniac | mc__: will that copy partitions and all? |
| 14:07.24 | mc__ | Jimmymaniac: yes |
| 14:07.28 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, ok I am patient....I really appreciate your help :) |
| 14:07.44 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: try to install the madwifi-package. |
| 14:07.48 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible to activate DMA on externel harddrive and if so how? |
| 14:08.03 | DerJamster | hdparm |
| 14:08.07 | asg | CharminTheMoose: hdparm if it's and IDE drive |
| 14:08.23 | DerJamster | I wonder, can hdparm handle SATA? |
| 14:08.24 | CharminTheMoose | well,it's marked on /dev as sda1 |
| 14:08.36 | DerJamster | CharminTheMoose: that's because of the usb connection |
| 14:08.42 | Jimmymaniac | mc__: will it be a problem if the disks aren't the same size? the destination is bigger (the whole reason of doing this in the first place) |
| 14:08.55 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, ok...I can get that through Deb Central Config if I am correct |
| 14:08.59 | mc__ | Jimmymaniac: yes |
| 14:09.06 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: yes. |
| 14:09.11 | CharminTheMoose | how can i tell if it's ide or scsi? |
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| 14:09.17 | protocol2 | but I will let you know how that goes and again thx |
| 14:09.20 | Jimmymaniac | mc__: thanks, running it now |
| 14:09.23 | asg | CharminTheMoose: the sda indicates that it is not IDE |
| 14:09.32 | mc__ | CharminTheMoose: ide is called hdx ,scsi is calle sdx |
| 14:09.40 | CharminTheMoose | so therefore it's scsi? |
| 14:09.47 | asg | or SATA |
| 14:09.48 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: put your xorg.conf online. I think you have hori and vert frequences specified. |
| 14:09.55 | quitte | how can i mount a bsd slice? |
| 14:11.14 | asg | quitte: man mount (search for ufs) |
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| 14:11.29 | mickael__ | hi |
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| 14:12.17 | mickael__ | to change my non-graphic terminal encoding, just change LANG ? |
| 14:12.41 | asg | mickael__: /msg dpkg locales |
| 14:12.47 | mickael__ | export LANG="fr_FR.iso8859-1" |
| 14:12.50 | mickael__ | for example |
| 14:13.12 | mickael__ | ok asg ;) |
| 14:13.28 | mickael__ | smart |
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| 14:13.41 | quitte | asg thanks. unfortunately it's a disk image. any idea how to handle that? |
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| 14:14.10 | asg | quitte: mount it via loopback |
| 14:15.03 | quitte | asg: and how do i select the slice to mount? |
| 14:15.24 | quitte | or partition or whatever the correct terminology for this mess is |
| 14:15.49 | asg | quitte: not off the top of my head, no. Google might help though. |
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| 14:16.38 | amphi | quitte: you need to use losetup and an offset to the partition, I believe |
| 14:16.39 | stoned | good morning |
| 14:16.56 | amphi | g'day |
| 14:17.19 | bazilio_utf8 | Hi! q: how many CDs I need to install Debian with X and KDE? never used Debian before... |
| 14:17.28 | mickael__ | asg: for my question, changing LANG changes the term charset? or it's more complex ? |
| 14:17.30 | tango_ | I'm not sure this is really the right place to ask, but here goes ... I have a small home network with some static IPs and some dynamic IPs. the dynamic IPs are assigned by the dhcp server on the router (a D-Link dsl 504-t). everything works sort of ok except for one thing: I can't do something like 'ping computername' from another computer. does this depend on something to be configured on the client side (like: telling the serve |
| 14:17.30 | tango_ | r that its name is computername) or serverside (instruct the router about the computer name of each client) |
| 14:17.31 | rsk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.41 | bazilio_utf8 | hm |
| 14:17.44 | pumpkin0 | bazilio_utf8: will you have internet during the install ? |
| 14:17.55 | bazilio_utf8 | nodia, w/o internet |
| 14:17.59 | bazilio_utf8 | *no |
| 14:18.32 | pumpkin0 | bazilio_utf8: debian etch, the full blow, is 16 CDs. Gnome and X are on the first. No idea where KDE is. |
| 14:18.50 | bazilio_utf8 | just downloaded CD1 |
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| 14:19.09 | bazilio_utf8 | sarge 3.1r4 |
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| 14:19.17 | asg | mickael__: you can also use dpkg-reconfigure locales. If you need to change keymaps, /msg dpkg keymap |
| 14:19.27 | bazilio_utf8 | can I upgrade it to Etch if I create a local repositary from DVDs? |
| 14:19.34 | pumpkin0 | tango_: that can be done clientside. look at /etc/hosts |
| 14:19.42 | mickael__ | ok thanks |
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| 14:19.53 | tango_ | pumpkin0, but then I'd have to do it on every computer |
| 14:19.56 | asg | tango_: etch will release with disk images for gnome, kde, and xfce |
| 14:20.13 | pumpkin0 | bazilio_utf8: you can update to etch if you have internet or a local repo. |
| 14:20.20 | tango_ | asg, the netinst I used defaulted to gnome for the desktop task |
| 14:20.24 | tango_ | no question asked |
| 14:20.35 | bazilio_utf8 | pumpkin0, thanks! |
| 14:20.36 | pumpkin0 | tango_: there are serverside options (like using a lokal DNS-server). |
| 14:20.58 | asg | tango_: netinstall, sure. They will release separate disc 1s with Gnome, KDE, and xfce packages though. |
| 14:20.58 | tango_ | hm |
| 14:21.27 | tango_ | pumpkin0, so I should use one of the machines as the local dns server? |
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| 14:22.41 | pumpkin0 | tango_: i don't think is it worth it. But you could try and install a DNS-server on the router (if it is moddable). If you install a DNS on a PC and the PC is offline all DNS-requests will take a long time (1x timeout) |
| 14:22.50 | mickael__ | hm there is not dpkg-reconfigure by default |
| 14:23.06 | asg | mickael__: do it as root |
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| 14:23.12 | tango_ | pumpkin0, well, I already have a pc that will work as file and webserver for the lan |
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| 14:23.29 | mickael__ | ok - sorry i'm a beginner :( |
| 14:23.51 | surfbuddy | well.. i am in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 /// but how do in know whats the driver my monitor is going to use ??? |
| 14:24.08 | pumpkin0 | tango_: OK, then install a DNS Server (i don't know which one works fine) and add the local names. |
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| 14:24.26 | tango_ | pumpkin0, thanks, I'll try |
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| 14:24.56 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: the monitor does not need a driver. It needs a sane vertical and horizontal frequency setup. xorg anf xfree often fail to set sane values. |
| 14:25.06 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, it has a installer for laptops but I can try loading the madwifi-package |
| 14:25.24 | TakeItThis | i upgraded to testing and install xorg but now i can't start the X |
| 14:25.34 | TakeItThis | could not open default font 'fixex' :/ |
| 14:25.35 | surfbuddy | pumpkin0, i clicked on vga by the way ! because that step needed some values to be filled in |
| 14:25.44 | asg | TakeItThis: /msg dpkg fixed |
| 14:25.47 | surfbuddy | by the way vesa was what it was pointing to |
| 14:26.01 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: install the package debian-way, do not run the madwifi installer from the offical HP. |
| 14:26.18 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: vesa is fine for the gfx-card. It has nothing to do with the monitor. |
| 14:26.29 | TakeItThis | asg: 10x :) but is that for XFree88 |
| 14:26.31 | protocol2 | debian way |
| 14:26.39 | asg | TakeItThis: read the rest of it |
| 14:26.40 | TakeItThis | i am asking for Xorg or thats doesnot matter |
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| 14:26.43 | protocol2 | can ytou give me a url with some instructions |
| 14:26.45 | surfbuddy | pumpkin0, then why the question in connfiguring ? |
| 14:26.45 | TakeItThis | asg: ok:) |
| 14:27.04 | pumpkin0 | TakeItThis: it usually is a broked fontpath setup. |
| 14:27.16 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi |
| 14:27.19 | bazilio_utf8 | or not configures x font server |
| 14:27.25 | bazilio_utf8 | *configured |
| 14:27.31 | surfbuddy | pumpkin0 , well now it asks " Please enter the video cards bus identifier " and it has a blank space in front |
| 14:27.36 | pumpkin0 | prolific-: (that is sarge, but it works under etch too) |
| 14:28.08 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: leave it blank and remove the line from the config afterwards. |
| 14:28.09 | mc__ | does the kde cd install KDE? |
| 14:28.32 | pumpkin0 | mc__: i hope so ... which KDE CD? |
| 14:28.52 | mc__ | pumpkin0: debian-testing-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 14:28.55 | bazilio_utf8 | *to search... |
| 14:29.00 | surfbuddy | pumpkin0, damn..now comes another bullet... Enter the mem in KB used by ur video card |
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| 14:29.17 | pumpkin0 | mc__: that is the basic debian install + X + KDE + some support progs. |
| 14:29.19 | bazilio_utf8 | surfbuddy, what videocard do you have? |
| 14:29.31 | bazilio_utf8 | i think you can omit this value.. |
| 14:29.32 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: which card did you choose ? |
| 14:29.37 | surfbuddy | vga |
| 14:29.40 | mc__ | pumpkin0: thank you |
| 14:30.23 | pumpkin0 | mc__: it is not the full-blown etch install. You will miss stuff (that can be installed via network later) |
| 14:30.46 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: go back, choose vesa (or find out which card is installed...) |
| 14:30.48 | mc__ | pumpkin0: k |
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| 14:31.56 | TakeItThis | Worikng, thanks :) |
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| 14:37.04 | ulf_k | hi happy xmas |
| 14:37.20 | blondie | it's boxing day |
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| 14:37.37 | ulf_k | i just showed my brother debian etch on his new laptop |
| 14:37.50 | ulf_k | and this is a dual core duo |
| 14:38.07 | ruben | Hi, wich term like 'xterm' or something like this suppot underscore support like foo@dom$ _ <--cursor here, any idea? |
| 14:38.09 | ulf_k | so i was wandering to use the em64 smp kernel |
| 14:39.37 | surfbuddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.11 | surfbuddy | so whats the memory used by this one |
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| 14:41.39 | bazilio_utf8 | surfbuddy, do you have any idea of what hardware is inside your box? |
| 14:41.58 | pumpkin0 | surfbuddy: anything from 0.5 MB to 512 MB ... |
| 14:42.48 | Jimmymaniac | Question: i'm finishing the reinstall of etch on my station, and would take the chance to try out xen and/or linux-vserver. So, i installed linux-image-2.6.18-3-xen-vserver-686. But it won't boot, grub gives a weird error, and when i do "file /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-3-*", it says that the xen-vserver image is "gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Mon Dec 4 17:12:20 2006, max compression" instead of kernel x86 boot as usual, |
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| 14:43.52 | Jimmymaniac | and after decompressing it says it's an elf executable |
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| 14:44.05 | Jimmymaniac | am i missing something here? |
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| 14:44.18 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, I got my wireless running via madwifi....thanks for the help |
| 14:44.36 | saerendra | ok |
| 14:45.25 | saerendra | hayt |
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| 14:47.52 | protocol2 | pumpkin0, I believe this is the second time you helped me out |
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| 14:48.18 | pumpkin0 | protocol2: uhm ... maybe ? well, have fun with debian. |
| 14:48.28 | protocol2 | yes indeed.... |
| 14:48.32 | protocol2 | I love it |
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| 14:49.50 | yos87 | hi |
| 14:50.42 | ulf_k | question: what does transition pachage means for kernel image 2.6.18 em64 smp, whis is not a full kernel pachage? |
| 14:51.10 | valdyn | ulf_k: because naming change to linux-image-... |
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| 14:51.46 | fulldisclosure | Hi. |
| 14:51.51 | fulldisclosure | I have gnome 2.14 in debian etch installed in a Macbook, I installed bluez-utils and bluez-gnome, I can find my debian system with the phone, but I cant transfer files. |
| 14:51.58 | fulldisclosure | It fails, what can be the posible reasons? |
| 14:52.16 | fulldisclosure | Is bluez-gnome enought for bluetooth transfering¿? |
| 14:52.22 | fulldisclosure | Do I need extra software? |
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| 14:53.03 | MrFloppy | hi guys |
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| 14:53.24 | MrFloppy | i get some errors copiling for example wine 0.9.28 on debian sarge the error message is: |
| 14:53.59 | MrFloppy | : multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx' |
| 14:54.00 | pumpkin0 | MrFloppy: why do you compile ? |
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| 14:54.17 | MrFloppy | i like compiling, and i dont know any .deb package for wine |
| 14:54.30 | MrFloppy | /usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a(elf-init.oS)(.text.__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx+0x0): In function `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx': |
| 14:54.30 | MrFloppy | : multiple definition of `__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx' |
| 14:54.30 | MrFloppy | ../libs/port/libwine_port.a(mkstemps.o)(.gnu.linkonce.t.__i686.get_pc_thunk.bx+0x0):/home/flopp/wine-0.9.28/libs/port/mkstemps.c:74: first defined here |
| 14:54.34 | pumpkin0 | MrFloppy: there are debian packages for wine in the offical repos. |
| 14:54.37 | MrFloppy | this is the error im getting |
| 14:54.48 | pumpkin0 | MrFloppy: "apt-get install wine" should do it. |
| 14:54.52 | MrFloppy | libc_nonshared.a is part of libc6 or libc6-dev |
| 14:55.03 | bazilio_utf8 | maybe it needs a newer glibc? |
| 14:55.11 | MrFloppy | i tried updating it with the "testing" packages still doesnt work |
| 14:55.28 | MrFloppy | bazilio_utf8 i dont have any glibc packages. isnt libc6 its replacement? |
| 14:55.36 | bazilio_utf8 | i dunno %) |
| 14:55.42 | pumpkin0 | MrFloppy: never mix debian versions. Use backports.org instead. |
| 14:56.11 | yos87 | I have installed the mplayer from synaptic package manager, But it's only text, how to get the graphic one? |
| 14:56.13 | pumpkin0 | MrFloppy: and messing with libc gets you a unbootable, nearly unrecoverable system in no time. |
| 14:56.23 | HardDisk_WP | re |
| 14:56.25 | pumpkin0 | yos87: run "gmplayer" |
| 14:56.32 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, how do i say debian that it recognizes my USB mouse? |
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| 14:57.16 | MrFloppy | gcc version 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-6sarge1) |
| 14:57.21 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: pull it out, plug it back in, wait 5 secs and run dmesg. The last ~10 times will tell you what debian thinks about it. |
| 14:57.26 | MrFloppy | do i need a newer version? |
| 14:57.36 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, ok |
| 14:57.39 | MrFloppy | g++ (GCC) 3.3.4 (Debian 1:3.3.4-6sarge1) |
| 14:57.40 | yos87 | pumpkin0: command not fount ! |
| 14:57.58 | pumpkin0 | yos87: where did you get that mplayer from ? |
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| 14:58.16 | HardDisk_WP | drivers/usb/input/hid-input.c: event field not found |
| 14:58.28 | MrFloppy | pumpkin0 where do you think there are wine .deb packages? |
| 14:58.31 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: did you mess with your kernel ? |
| 14:58.39 | pumpkin0 | MrFloppy: www.backports.org |
| 14:58.46 | yos87 | pumpkin0: I add lines to the sources.list from the website multimedia.debian.org and I fount mplayer i synaptic package manager, I just install |
| 14:59.02 | MrFloppy | pumpkin0 what do you say to me gcc version? outdated? |
| 14:59.04 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, well, i did a make config in the surce code, to get the nvidia installer working |
| 14:59.14 | yos87 | pumpkin0: installing it from the bz2 package allways give errors when ./configure |
| 14:59.16 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, but my USB keyboard runs |
| 14:59.24 | pumpkin0 | MrFloppy: the right thing for sarge, the wrong thing for cutting-edge wine. |
| 14:59.30 | HardDisk_WP | and my apple ipod shows itself in lsusb |
| 14:59.50 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: you used the nvidia installed from the nvidia homepage ? |
| 14:59.52 | yos87 | pumpkin0: if you have idea how to install the graphic mplayer, help me |
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| 15:00.19 | rambo3 | are there backports for oldstable ? |
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| 15:01.20 | pumpkin0 | yos87: the mplayer-package should contain the gmplayer bin. Check that with "dpkg -L mplayer | grep gmplayer". |
| 15:01.34 | abrotman | or use apt-file to find it |
| 15:01.51 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: and usbhid is loaded ? |
| 15:02.22 | yos87 | pumkin0: no output |
| 15:02.37 | rambo3 | this is not working : deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ woody main |
| 15:02.45 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, no, i finally used the debian package |
| 15:02.49 | pumpkin0 | yos87: use apt-file. (when did they change it ?) |
| 15:02.54 | fulldisclosure | woody? |
| 15:02.55 | fulldisclosure | xD |
| 15:03.06 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, i dunno. but as my USB keyboard runs, ubhid should e working |
| 15:03.06 | rambo3 | what? |
| 15:03.35 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: but the mouse does not ? can you put your xorg.conf online ? pastebin ? |
| 15:04.10 | yos87 | pumpkin0: do you have the mplayer? |
| 15:04.18 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, ok |
| 15:04.26 | HardDisk_WP | but it is sarge, so it is named other |
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| 15:05.15 | Zap-W | say ascii = 7bit? 2^7= 7 bits = 128 characters ? |
| 15:05.36 | pumpkin0 | yos87: mplayer and gmplayer, both provided by the mplayer-package |
| 15:05.46 | abrotman | 8bit |
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| 15:05.51 | abrotman | check an ascii table |
| 15:05.52 | abrotman | !ascii |
| 15:05.53 | dpkg | from memory, ascii is american standard code for information interchange, or see 'chandra' for an example of a great use of ASCII characters in art, or http://www.asciitable.com/ |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | it can be 7 or 8 IIRC |
| 15:06.06 | yos87 | pumpkin0: you got in the same way, from synaptic? |
| 15:06.19 | pumpkin0 | Zap-W: yes (there are many ascii-versions out there, most "work" with 7 bit, but require 8 for the full set) |
| 15:06.40 | pumpkin0 | yos87: "apt-get install mplayer". But that installs the SAME package as synaptic. |
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| 15:06.44 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4924 |
| 15:07.06 | yos87 | pumpkin0: so why I don't have it |
| 15:07.21 | stoned | argh |
| 15:07.27 | stoned | grub pooped out on me |
| 15:07.28 | pumpkin0 | yos87: no idea, search for a gmplayer-package or use apt-file. |
| 15:08.00 | itchi | Ow, ow, can not believe it, linux on laptop have finally add the link to the laptop article, hah, santa clause have add it?? :-p |
| 15:08.01 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, maybe the problem is that I have 2 mice: a PS/2 for games (trackball) and a normal USB for work |
| 15:08.02 | stoned | great, now I can't get into my system. Lovely |
| 15:08.14 | yos87 | pumpkin0: Ok , thank you. it's the first time i hear about apt-file |
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| 15:09.08 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: Goto the Section "InputDevice" about mouse. change the protocol from PS/2 into "auto" and the Device-setting to /dev/input/mouse. restart X, plugin the mouse, test. |
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| 15:09.30 | pumpkin0 | yos87: are you sure you use debian and not ubunut ? |
| 15:09.49 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, ok. but how do i restart X? |
| 15:09.51 | zamuro | LOL |
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| 15:10.14 | rambo3 | !fstab > pumpkin0 |
| 15:10.18 | zamuro | I just got here, and is this what i read? LOL |
| 15:10.40 | zamuro | !kiss zamuro |
| 15:10.45 | ofer0 | !fstab |
| 15:10.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 15:10.45 | zamuro | :) |
| 15:10.47 | dreamer | lol |
| 15:10.57 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: save everything, close everything. Press CTRL-ALT-backspace. And have a backupcopy of your old config incase it fails to load. |
| 15:10.59 | abrotman | stoned: does it look like a grub ? |
| 15:11.05 | yos87 | pumpkin0: there is apt in ubunut? of course i'm very sure that i'm using debian sarge 3.1 r0a |
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| 15:11.32 | pumpkin0 | yos87: yes, ubunut uses apt too. But they install synaptic by default. |
| 15:11.36 | rambo3 | somehow people like to make their own licences : http://smithii.com/ross/download.php?file=openvpn_1.5.0-1.woody-1_i386.deb |
| 15:11.46 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i think the Desktop task does too |
| 15:12.37 | infernix | which is more recent, intel 865G or 915PL? |
| 15:12.40 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: in sarge too ? Never bothered to use synaptic, it is one of the first packages i remove to get a cleaner/smaller system. |
| 15:12.46 | pumpkin0 | inc|freaky: 915PL |
| 15:12.53 | pumpkin0 | infernix: ^^^ |
| 15:13.49 | infernix | alright. i'm looking to rid myself of this dreaded unstable VIA board. intel 915PL would do the trick, i hope |
| 15:13.56 | yos87 | pumpkin0: i did as you said apt-get install mplayer it worked ! |
| 15:14.07 | yos87 | pumpkin0: apt better the synaptic ? |
| 15:14.16 | pumpkin0 | yos87: very strange... |
| 15:14.31 | yos87 | pumpkin0: beliveme |
| 15:14.35 | pumpkin0 | yos87: no, both should work the same way ... |
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| 15:14.58 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, didnt work, mouse still doesnt light up |
| 15:15.00 | pumpkin0 | infernix: why is it unstable ? |
| 15:15.15 | infernix | pumpkin0: if I only knew. it hardlocks, no oops nor panic on console. |
| 15:15.15 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: and the old mouse still works ? |
| 15:15.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you read this? http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=213614&cid=17366126 |
| 15:15.53 | dorel__ | I feel like kicking this ibm server out the window :P |
| 15:15.56 | pumpkin0 | infernix: memtest86 for some hours ? Checked the SMART-status of the HDs ? prime95 toture test ? |
| 15:16.04 | tarzeau | dorel__: what does it run? |
| 15:16.12 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, yes |
| 15:16.14 | infernix | pumpkin0: done all that :) |
| 15:16.22 | dorel__ | the scsi hard drives come up only after a few seconds when the boot process fails |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | pumpkin0: heh |
| 15:16.37 | dorel__ | tarzeau: an IBM xSeries346 with 2 SCSI hard drives |
| 15:16.47 | pumpkin0 | infernix: uhm ... OK. another kernel ? |
| 15:16.53 | dorel__ | tarzeau: those hard drives are giving me hell and I'm about to sell them on ebay for a buck heh |
| 15:16.55 | infernix | pumpkin0: been there. |
| 15:17.04 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: lsusb shows the mouse ? |
| 15:17.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: and .. so what ? |
| 15:17.07 | tarzeau | dorel__: what hell? |
| 15:17.18 | yos87 | pumpkin0: Thank you for help |
| 15:17.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's like drinking camill tea |
| 15:17.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: it feels good and calming |
| 15:17.44 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, no |
| 15:17.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: but wrong ? |
| 15:17.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: no perfectly right |
| 15:18.13 | MrFloppy | pumpkin0 it was a bug in libc6 of debian sarge, got it working by downgrading to a unbuged version |
| 15:18.13 | abrotman | dude .. there's a reason noone uses it :) |
| 15:18.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: many people still use OPENSTEP or NEXTSTEP, just read http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=213614&cid=17365918 - HECK even *I* do |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: you also whip your secretary |
| 15:18.51 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: that USB-port works ? the mouse works on other systems ? I'm a bit clueless about the dmesg-error, could you post about 20 lines into a pastebin ? |
| 15:18.56 | dorel__ | tarzeau: I managed to see grub only after I plugged out one of the hard drives during the install, then when I see grub and it boots up it drops me to a shell, before mounting anything, cause it couldn't detect the drives, then like 15 seconds later when i'm on the shell I see the hds detected in dmesg and I can then mount them manually... |
| 15:19.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: no more secretary |
| 15:19.21 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, USB port works on windows |
| 15:19.48 | abrotman | tarzeau: if it were that good .. gnome and kde wouldn't even exist |
| 15:20.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: they want to clone windows |
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| 15:20.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: the problem is that microsoft still exists |
| 15:20.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: once they are gone, gnome and kde will be gone too |
| 15:20.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: they day will come |
| 15:20.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: okay .. if you say so |
| 15:20.43 | HardDisk_WP | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4925 |
| 15:20.48 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, see this |
| 15:22.06 | blondie | haha |
| 15:22.20 | abrotman | tarzeau: i just don't see it ... and the part that really bothers me is that you guys insist on rewriting everything .. which makes you just as bad as gnome/kde |
| 15:22.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: rewrite what? |
| 15:22.42 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: is it a wireless mouse, sold together with that keyboard ? |
| 15:22.52 | abrotman | "hey .. that's kind of useful .. OH GOD .. IT'S NOT IN MY TOOLKIT .. FUCKING SHIT .. SOMEONE REWRITE THIS QUICK!!!!" |
| 15:23.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: HUH? that has never happened |
| 15:23.09 | abrotman | if you say so |
| 15:23.10 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, wired mouse, it doesnt share cable with keyboard |
| 15:23.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: the toolkit was completed long long ago |
| 15:23.40 | abrotman | you had to port emacs .. what was wrong with it before ? |
| 15:24.03 | abrotman | besides the fact that it was emacs :) |
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| 15:24.42 | tarzeau | abrotman: man emacs.app based on gnu emacs 18.x is something different than emacs.app based on gnu emacs 23.x |
| 15:24.46 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: OK, strange things happen. goto /dev/input/. Is there a "by-id" dir and does it contain anything looking like your mouse ? |
| 15:24.55 | abrotman | not disproving me |
| 15:24.57 | stoned | abrotman, fixed :) |
| 15:24.57 | enouf | a sandwich board? |
| 15:25.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: no woman can wear girl clothes |
| 15:25.05 | stoned | abrotman, and yes it was a grub |
| 15:25.26 | abrotman | stoned: i meant the grub poop :) |
| 15:25.31 | abrotman | tarzeau: wanna bet ? |
| 15:25.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: NO! |
| 15:25.43 | stoned | yes, it was a grub problem and now its fixed. I just was being lazy |
| 15:25.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: without breast removal chirurgical operations |
| 15:25.57 | enouf | I can't spell weegie correctly either, off the top of my head .. oh ouiegie or someshit |
| 15:26.06 | abrotman | weggie |
| 15:26.14 | blondie | ouiji? |
| 15:26.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: i mean healthy human beings |
| 15:26.24 | enouf | bleh |
| 15:26.44 | enouf | ah blondie .. better sammiches indeed |
| 15:26.47 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, 3 entries: mice,mouse0,mouse1 |
| 15:27.01 | blondie | o.O |
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| 15:27.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: some people are naturally skinny |
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| 15:27.47 | abrotman | why am i even arguing this ... |
| 15:27.50 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: run "cat mouse". Move one mouse, then the other. Both moves should produce a lot of random noise. repeat the test with mouse0 and mouse1. |
| 15:27.55 | blondie | abrotman: but not healthy |
| 15:27.57 | enouf | yeah .. and many live in cambodia |
| 15:27.57 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, even stranger things happen: I connected my ipod to a USB port (not the mice oines) |
| 15:28.02 | abrotman | blondie: some of them are ... |
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| 15:28.13 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: because this is debian and nerds tend to argue about everything ? |
| 15:28.17 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, Then I ejected it via eject /dev/sda |
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| 15:28.39 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, and now the Ipod ain't recognized anymore |
| 15:28.43 | enouf | blondie: right .. oui (lovely french mag) + ji (well .. gee) |
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| 15:28.57 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: erhm ... OK, i give up. It's up to you, good luck. |
| 15:28.59 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, the iPod says its getting energy, but it doesnt show a USB connection, and dmesg doesnt show anything |
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| 15:29.12 | Coweater | HardDisk_WP: tried resetting it? |
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| 15:30.27 | HardDisk_WP | Coweater, no, as it isnt hanged up |
| 15:30.32 | HardDisk_WP | wait, restaring xserver |
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| 15:32.15 | abrotman | pumpkin0: no we don't! |
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| 15:33.29 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: so you agree you are a nerd ? |
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| 15:33.49 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, is it possible that I have to "clear" the USB port? |
| 15:33.58 | HardDisk_WP | Maybe Debian assumes there is a device connected, although lsusb doesnt show |
| 15:34.07 | fr3ak | Hi, i have a problem while installing XDM on Debian net install |
| 15:34.14 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: usually no, but with that system .... all bets are off. |
| 15:34.58 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, :D...is there any command to "clear up" the USB ports? |
| 15:35.02 | fr3ak | it can't dectect mouse device |
| 15:35.08 | MrFloppy | any idea why i get "No OpenGL libaraby found on this system"? i got libGL.so.1 and nvidia drivers working, gl.h glx.h glu.h etc. are installed too |
| 15:35.13 | abrotman | pumpkin0: NO! |
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| 15:35.22 | fr3ak | anyone !~ |
| 15:35.24 | HardDisk_WP | fr3ak, you have USB mouse, too? |
| 15:35.32 | HardDisk_WP | I have same problem |
| 15:35.38 | fr3ak | no, just normal |
| 15:35.52 | HardDisk_WP | A PS/2 mouse? |
| 15:36.07 | fr3ak | Im n00b |
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| 15:36.14 | fr3ak | pls explain |
| 15:36.17 | sdd | hi |
| 15:36.24 | HardDisk_WP | fr3ak, how does the connector look? |
| 15:36.30 | HardDisk_WP | Green circle? |
| 15:36.51 | fr3ak | HardDisk_WP, yeah, exactly |
| 15:37.02 | sdd | I am shocked "netstat -an" and is blocking all my smtp connections "tcp 0 0 172.16.31.16:25 72.37.179.36:45370 SYN_RECV" |
| 15:37.17 | HardDisk_WP | fr3ak, then you have a PS/2 mouse |
| 15:37.18 | sdd | what the heck is going on ? |
| 15:37.29 | HardDisk_WP | sdd, check /etc/hosts.deny |
| 15:37.36 | HardDisk_WP | and hosts.allow |
| 15:37.46 | fr3ak | HardDisk_WP, it failed for input device |
| 15:38.00 | fr3ak | oh lol |
| 15:38.27 | fr3ak | is any IRC support for xdm or xserver |
| 15:38.30 | abrotman | !mousedev |
| 15:38.31 | dpkg | This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
| 15:39.09 | fr3ak | hmm let me try |
| 15:40.01 | fr3ak | it echos out this "Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-386/modules.dep" |
| 15:40.13 | HardDisk_WP | thanks abrotman |
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| 15:41.07 | fr3ak | abrotman, it pops out same error "Cannot open /dev/input/mic" |
| 15:43.18 | fr3ak | nevermind ..it works |
| 15:43.40 | fr3ak | without mouse lol |
| 15:43.53 | sdd | HardDisk_WP: nothing in hosts.allow and deny files |
| 15:44.17 | sdd | why is dropping my smtp connections? |
| 15:44.39 | sdd | only allows the subnet only |
| 15:44.59 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, after reboot all worked again |
| 15:45.09 | HardDisk_WP | sdd, strange...then i dont know :-( |
| 15:45.11 | HardDisk_WP | sdd, check if yolu have firewall |
| 15:45.13 | HardDisk_WP | sdd, either hardware firewall (router!) |
| 15:45.15 | HardDisk_WP | or software proble |
| 15:45.26 | HardDisk_WP | sdd, ok, switch the firewall off then |
| 15:45.44 | sdd | firewall is off |
| 15:46.47 | HardDisk_WP | sdd, try now |
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| 15:46.55 | phaedrus44 | ello |
| 15:46.57 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, by the way, how do I mount a device? |
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| 15:47.36 | fr3ak | How do kill the startx/xdm |
| 15:47.50 | fr3ak | i mean how to |
| 15:47.51 | HardDisk_WP | fr3ak, CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE |
| 15:47.51 | MrFloppy | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM |
| 15:47.59 | MrFloppy | can somebody tell me what is missing there? |
| 15:48.08 | MrFloppy | configure:8639: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 conftest.c -lGLU -lSM -lICE -lXext |
| 15:48.08 | MrFloppy | -lX11 -lm |
| 15:48.08 | MrFloppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.08 | MrFloppy | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lSM |
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| 15:48.12 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: "mount /dev/sda1 /mountpoint". Any empty dir will do as mountpoint. |
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| 15:48.13 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
| 15:48.14 | MrFloppy | srxy |
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| 15:48.24 | pingouin | :) |
| 15:48.31 | fr3ak | well, how to i stop startx :P |
| 15:48.31 | zeroflag | how do I change ls so it uses colors by default? |
| 15:48.33 | rambo3 | you mean ld.so.conf ? |
| 15:48.34 | pingouin | hello #debian |
| 15:48.44 | fr3ak | heya pingouin |
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| 15:49.01 | pingouin | hi Mr fr3ak |
| 15:49.05 | abrotman | what the hell is "srxy" ? |
| 15:49.14 | abrotman | mistyped 'sexy' ? |
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| 15:49.25 | fr3ak | HardDisk_WP, Is it possible to stop the startx, i know there's way to do it. |
| 15:49.36 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 15:49.36 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 15:50.07 | pingouin | hey the best of the best ;) Mr abrotman, hi there |
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| 15:50.58 | HardDisk_WP | !NTFS |
| 15:50.58 | dpkg | i heard ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 15:51.18 | fr3ak | Ok, well abrotman ..i was using how to stop xserver for time being |
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| 15:52.10 | fr3ak | so that i can access to CLI mode. |
| 15:52.31 | pumpkin0 | fr3ak: ctrl-alt-F1 ? |
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| 15:52.41 | fr3ak | ah thanks |
| 15:52.52 | fr3ak | hhehe alomost forgotten :P |
| 15:53.04 | r3tex | how can I find all the hosts on a network? |
| 15:53.21 | r3tex | i have this ad-hoc computer and want to know what address it has.. |
| 15:53.24 | Nibbier | r3tex, ping them? |
| 15:53.34 | Nibbier | r3tex, you know its mac? |
| 15:54.04 | pumpkin0 | r3tex: nmap and scan the whole range ? |
| 15:54.35 | r3tex | pumpkin0, mkay i didn't know nmap had a "multiple" function |
| 15:54.45 | r3tex | Nibbier, yeac can I check my arp table or something? |
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| 15:54.52 | Nibbier | well, it wont be in there |
| 15:55.12 | Nibbier | but you can set a arp mapping to a randoam IP adress with the correct mac, ping the random ip and get the real ip in return |
| 15:55.16 | HardDisk_WP | !mount |
| 15:55.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, mount is a command used to mount a device to the local filesystem |
| 15:55.19 | xingu | log into the switch it's connected to, query its MAC/port cache, then log into its default gateway, and check its arp cache |
| 15:55.34 | r3tex | Nibbier, ok :/ sounds advanced |
| 15:55.40 | abrotman | pingouin: hi |
| 15:55.57 | Nibbier | r3tex, it will only appear in other arp caches if its in the right subnet and had actual data traversing some machine |
| 15:56.19 | V_I_O | hello all can anyone tell me what or how to play an mp3 with debian |
| 15:56.23 | V_I_O | all i ge is libao - OSS cannot set rate to 44100 |
| 15:56.23 | V_I_O | Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?) |
| 15:56.56 | r3tex | Nibbier, oh, well I don't think there'll be much data. It's a machine that has Wifi and I can connect to it ad-hoc, but i have no idea what Ip it has |
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| 15:57.44 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, do you know how to mount /dev/sda? |
| 15:57.56 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, marco@marco-debian:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda /media/ipod |
| 15:57.56 | HardDisk_WP | mount: mount point /media/ipod does not exist |
| 15:58.07 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: mkdir /media/ipod |
| 15:58.24 | Nibbier | r3tex, then.... read about how to setup arp mappings, i guess it goes by using arp command |
| 15:59.09 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, ah...but how do I tell mount that it should assume a FAT32 disk and not FAT16? |
| 15:59.36 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: man mount => search for vfat |
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| 16:01.49 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, calling with -t vfat didnt help |
| 16:02.03 | r3tex | Nibbier, will do, thanks ;) |
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| 16:02.48 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: show us the actual error |
| 16:03.25 | enouf | try sda1 ? |
| 16:03.25 | abrotman | let's see the error first |
| 16:03.43 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4927 |
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| 16:03.59 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:04.15 | abrotman | i didn't think ipods were vfat |
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| 16:04.40 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, theyre fat32 |
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| 16:04.54 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, and i dont have fdisk...*strange* |
| 16:04.54 | abrotman | vfat is fat32 |
| 16:04.56 | SurgeX | I give up debian is so hard to set up :( |
| 16:04.56 | enouf | $ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/ipod |
| 16:04.58 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
| 16:05.15 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, still same |
| 16:05.20 | abrotman | SurgeX: is not! |
| 16:05.41 | HardDisk_WP | SurgeX, you have a NVIDIA graphic card? |
| 16:05.45 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: are you sure sda is the ipod ? |
| 16:05.53 | SurgeX | no Intel Meedia Acc 900 |
| 16:06.13 | enouf | apt-get install util-linux for fdisk |
| 16:06.16 | SurgeX | my resolution in Debian is 320x400 so it's to big |
| 16:06.26 | SurgeX | I can't change it |
| 16:06.28 | abrotman | is that a video card? |
| 16:06.31 | pumpkin0 | SurgeX: no problem under etch, living hell under sarge.You got sarge ? |
| 16:06.42 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, util-linux is already the newest version :-( |
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| 16:06.56 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: as root or sudo then .. |
| 16:07.02 | sdd | HardDisk_WP I need your help |
| 16:07.06 | SurgeX | yes i got Sarge |
| 16:07.07 | HardDisk_WP | sdd ok |
| 16:07.20 | SurgeX | I'll try Etch |
| 16:07.21 | sdd | smtp is accepted only from LAN only |
| 16:07.23 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, 90%...but how can I look it exactly? |
| 16:07.51 | SurgeX | Yes Etch allow you to change your network card? |
| 16:08.11 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: dmesg. Or /dev/disk/byid/. |
| 16:08.22 | pumpkin0 | SurgeX: yes, just like sarge.. |
| 16:08.45 | dob1 | hi, someone know if java-package will be updated for jdk 6 ? or we have to wait to the deb package of it? |
| 16:08.47 | SurgeX | Sarge didn't allow me to do it |
| 16:08.58 | valdyn | sdd: how do you test that? |
| 16:09.07 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: sudo which fdisk (the util pkg also includes cfdisk and sfdisk) |
| 16:09.11 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, i dont have /dev/disk/byid |
| 16:09.39 | HardDisk_WP | ARG |
| 16:09.39 | enouf | sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:09.41 | HardDisk_WP | I am stupid |
| 16:09.50 | HardDisk_WP | It seems that iPod has TWO partitions |
| 16:09.51 | pumpkin0 | SurgeX: you didn't try hard enough. |
| 16:10.08 | HardDisk_WP | One with boot block, hidden from windows :-p |
| 16:10.14 | SurgeX | I'm trying hard enough, I run so much commands |
| 16:10.14 | enouf | heh |
| 16:10.29 | enouf | $ sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /media/ipod |
| 16:10.32 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: ipod with HD edition: yes, 2 paritions... the nano/flash based have only one. |
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| 16:11.00 | Kevin` | of course it does HardDisk_WP, never noticed that before? that partition has a fielsystem too I believe |
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| 16:11.10 | HardDisk_WP | I used windows till now |
| 16:11.21 | HardDisk_WP | it didnt show partition 1, as it didnt have a valid FS |
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| 16:11.44 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: now you know why you should rmdir C:\* |
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| 16:12.14 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, well I need windows for some games, but I decided to stay at Debian for main work |
| 16:12.24 | enouf | one reason .. atleast |
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| 16:12.45 | Gge | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.53 | enouf | I love tha excuse .. but whatever |
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| 16:13.44 | mc__ | hardcore gaming is evil |
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| 16:16.56 | fr3ak | I just did "apt-get install x-window-system" it works very well. but still mouse issue isn't fixed ? is anything i went wrong? |
| 16:17.15 | enouf | http://www.defectivebydesign.org/en/blog/903 <-- ipod |
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| 16:17.37 | enouf | fr3ak: modprobe mousedev |
| 16:17.38 | fr3ak | still i get the strage error ."cannot find /dev/input/mice" |
| 16:18.00 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: run as root fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 16:18.01 | fr3ak | enouf, yes, i did still get the same err |
| 16:18.12 | enouf | !usb mouse |
| 16:18.12 | dpkg | somebody said usb mouse was "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 16:18.18 | enouf | !usbmouse |
| 16:18.18 | dpkg | i guess usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 16:18.35 | fr3ak | enouf, I'm on PS/2 as HardDisk_WP says |
| 16:18.50 | enouf | lag |
| 16:19.25 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, well, a iPod is mainly one: A 80GB sized porn tank :DDD |
| 16:19.37 | enouf | cat /dev/input/mice .. move the mouse around .. funny characters? .. ctrl-c to stop/esc |
| 16:19.53 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: care to share :-) |
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| 16:20.28 | junix|work | is there a 2.6.19 debian stock kernel yet? |
| 16:20.33 | fr3ak | enouf, it says "NO such files or directory" wierd |
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| 16:20.37 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: put a bittorrent track prog on it and make it seed all the files ... |
| 16:20.51 | enouf | fr3ak: you did do a drxx already? |
| 16:20.54 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, LOL |
| 16:21.12 | fr3ak | enouf, please explain more, I'm n00b |
| 16:21.20 | enouf | !drxx |
| 16:21.20 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 16:21.48 | pickcoder | fr3ak: put your lsmod content into a pastebin |
| 16:21.59 | fr3ak | sure, wait |
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| 16:23.18 | enouf | fr3ak: modprobe psmouse for the heck of it .. though that error seems to indicate no node |
| 16:25.17 | junix|work | is there a 2.6.19 debian stock kernel yet? |
| 16:25.38 | Eulex | nope |
| 16:25.51 | fr3ak | here you have http://infest.pastebin.co.uk/7817 |
| 16:26.14 | fr3ak | pickcoder, http://infest.pastebin.co.uk/7817 |
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| 16:26.49 | pickcoder | fr3ak: modprobe psmouse |
| 16:27.06 | pickcoder | you need psmouse and mousedev |
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| 16:27.12 | pickcoder | mousedev is loaded, but has no driver |
| 16:27.25 | fr3ak | pickcoder, exactly |
| 16:27.48 | fr3ak | Can't load module psmouse |
| 16:27.58 | fr3ak | what do i do now :s |
| 16:28.10 | pickcoder | what is the error |
| 16:28.14 | bonez39 | I have a new amd 64 machine, running win xp...I created the business card install disc to load debian... but it doesn't recognize my airnet awd154 wireless pci card..how do I get around this ? |
| 16:28.33 | nachox | does debian have something similar to solaris' rbac? do i have to use special kernels to be able to use it? i would rather a kernel as standard kernel.org as possible |
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| 16:28.55 | Eulex | what's rbac? |
| 16:29.12 | fr3ak | pickcoder, it outputs when i excute the "modprobe psmouse" |
| 16:29.29 | HardDisk_WP | another question: how do I configure the digital putput for a Creative Audigy (PCI)?? |
| 16:29.33 | HardDisk_WP | !creative |
| 16:29.33 | dpkg | hmm... creative is http://opensource.creative.com |
| 16:29.54 | abrotman | nachox: what is rbac ? |
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| 16:30.01 | nachox | Eulex: role based accounts, they are used to let users do stuff that would normaly require root privs, something like sudo |
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| 16:30.09 | Nibbier | abchirk, security stuff |
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| 16:31.12 | nachox | hehe |
| 16:31.40 | Nibbier | rbac is of general interest! |
| 16:31.50 | pumpkin0 | nachox: i guess you can have the same effect by using groups, sudo and suid-bits. |
| 16:31.55 | pickcoder | I'm generally not interested, though... |
| 16:32.00 | Nibbier | hehe |
| 16:32.01 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:32.04 | fr3ak | pickcoder, any suggestion! |
| 16:32.19 | Nibbier | pumpkin0, nah, rbac is much detailled |
| 16:32.30 | pickcoder | fr3ak: do you get no output when you modprobe psmouse? |
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| 16:32.45 | ariccs | Hello all |
| 16:33.08 | pumpkin0 | Nibbier: create a group for each prog ... ? non-automated, but it may work. |
| 16:33.23 | nachox | that is a mantainance nightmare |
| 16:33.25 | Eulex | nachox, according to wikipedia, SELinux implements rbac. |
| 16:33.31 | fr3ak | pickcoder, it says can't locate module psmouse |
| 16:33.32 | Nibbier | pumpkin0, but with rbac you can log access to files, deny functinality even to root |
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| 16:34.13 | pickcoder | fr3ak: what release of Debian |
| 16:34.13 | pumpkin0 | Nibbier: so ? even a root cannot execute a file with 000-permissions. |
| 16:34.13 | Nibbier | pumpkin0, allow certain user to open privileged ports, but give them no other root rights |
| 16:34.14 | fr3ak | sarge stable |
| 16:34.25 | pumpkin0 | Nibbier: OK, tricky. |
| 16:34.26 | fr3ak | latest |
| 16:35.13 | Nibbier | for selinux i'd recommend FC/rhel, or sid which is the only debian with reasonable selinux support (and predifened settings) |
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| 16:35.38 | pickcoder | fr3ak: oh.ok.. hold on |
| 16:35.46 | fr3ak | sure, thanks |
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| 16:35.50 | nachox | unfortunately i cannot pick the distro, i'm stuck with debian, i know rh has selinux |
| 16:35.53 | Nibbier | yes selinux implements only a smaller portion of security features compared to rsbac, gresecurity etc. therefore uses the kernel LSM |
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| 16:37.04 | rahul | nachox: what makes you think debian doesn't have selinux? |
| 16:37.12 | rahul | nachox: have you done a search of the package db? |
| 16:37.28 | Nibbier | rahul, have you successfully used selinux on sarge/etch? |
| 16:39.01 | nachox | rahul: sorry, my comment was regarding to Nibbier's |
| 16:39.04 | abrotman | nachox: so what's wrong with sudo ? and debian has selinux |
| 16:39.21 | pickcoder | fr3ak: dmesg | grep PS |
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| 16:39.31 | Nibbier | rahul, i know that etch eg has packages, but i tried to use it and it was.... very much work to do. with sid it worked like it should ootb |
| 16:39.38 | pickcoder | You should see a PS/2 controller line with an IRQ |
| 16:39.44 | rahul | Nibbier: that's progress :) |
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| 16:40.01 | fr3ak | ok hold on |
| 16:40.17 | Nibbier | thats all i am saying - and im not recommending sid to everyone..... maybe its still better than chosing fc :D |
| 16:40.18 | nachox | abrotman: i would like it to be transparent for the users, i would hate having to create wrappers around every administrative command |
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| 16:40.32 | Nibbier | nachox, what is your overall goal? |
| 16:40.34 | abrotman | nachox: you could use ACLs for binaries i suppose |
| 16:40.45 | abrotman | or groups |
| 16:40.59 | pickcoder | fr3ak: all of the 2.6 kernels should recognize the mouse if it's PS/2.. so you only have to load mousedev |
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| 16:41.20 | pickcoder | actually I think the 2.4 does too |
| 16:42.02 | fr3ak | umm |
| 16:42.25 | blondie | abrotman!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:42.28 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:42.32 | fr3ak | pickcoder, "mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 16:42.32 | fr3ak | " |
| 16:42.35 | nachox | Nibbier: let users administer things like printers, logs and other admin related stuff as transparently as possible |
| 16:42.39 | blondie | Why hallo thar :> |
| 16:42.51 | abrotman | hi :) |
| 16:42.56 | Nibbier | nachos, sounds much more like you need selinux and stuff like that.... |
| 16:43.09 | Nibbier | with wrappers etc you can allow single executables (which then could be exploited) |
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| 16:43.30 | fr3ak | pickcoder, strange but i can't figure out why |
| 16:43.32 | Nibbier | with selinux you can simply grant them the right to do certain stuff in kernelmode (right wording?) |
| 16:43.34 | nachox | Nibbier: indeed, that's another reason i want to avoid that approach |
| 16:43.46 | pickcoder | fr3ak: uname -r |
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| 16:44.11 | fr3ak | pickcoder, its 2.4 |
| 16:44.14 | fr3ak | 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 16:44.43 | pickcoder | fr3ak: dmesg | grep input: |
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| 16:45.07 | capiira | hou hou hou anyone know how to let different apps use the soundcard at same time? |
| 16:45.30 | abrotman | dmix |
| 16:45.39 | blondie | doesn't that "just work" these days? |
| 16:45.50 | capiira | nah not really |
| 16:45.50 | fr3ak | pickcoder, it doesn't output anything. |
| 16:45.53 | Nibbier | blondie, thought so |
| 16:45.55 | pickcoder | bad program! you must share! |
| 16:45.56 | cahoot | capiira: stay away from apps that use /dev/dsp |
| 16:45.57 | pickcoder | no cookie... |
| 16:45.58 | blondie | seems to "just work" for me |
| 16:46.02 | capiira | xmms |
| 16:46.11 | blondie | though I don't use that awful xmms :) |
| 16:46.13 | capiira | and movie player that comes with debian |
| 16:46.27 | capiira | both at same time dont work |
| 16:46.33 | matt1 | hello, can someone point me to an up to date kernel compile howto - the debian way. |
| 16:46.40 | cahoot | capiira: only use aslsa aware apps |
| 16:46.44 | pickcoder | fr3ak: I don't have a 2.4 box around anymore so I can't quickly verify what 2.4.27 has compiled in it |
| 16:46.46 | blondie | matt1: the debian way is not to compile |
| 16:46.48 | Coweater | depends on your sound card driver, use a software mixer like dmix or one of the sound daemons (esd, arts) |
| 16:46.53 | matt1 | ... |
| 16:46.59 | blondie | matt1: you install a new kernel from apt-get |
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| 16:47.16 | capiira | let me try different apps together |
| 16:47.17 | abrotman | matt1: which kernle do you have now .. which do you want ? |
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| 16:47.27 | pickcoder | fr3ak: Etch has a newer kernel on the loader |
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| 16:47.31 | fr3ak | pickcoder, its okay, let me figure that by myself. |
| 16:47.42 | pickcoder | fr3ak: if you have to use Sarge, install the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 16:47.44 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, here's the deal: First i used dd to copy from hda to hdb, hda being 40Gb into hda1 and 2, hdb being 80Gb. Then i realized that it'd be better to have hdb2 to use the whole disk, so i told fdisk to change it; |
| 16:48.10 | matt1 | 2.6.18 need to customize it. |
| 16:48.20 | pickcoder | fr3ak: just be weary of dist-upgrades to Etch |
| 16:48.23 | capiira | aha |
| 16:48.29 | matt1 | but looks like the procedure changed a bit. |
| 16:48.30 | capiira | flash + xxms also dont work |
| 16:48.33 | capiira | xmms |
| 16:48.36 | pickcoder | fr3ak: many people have had problems upgrade from 2.6.8 Sarge to Etch |
| 16:48.44 | Jimmymaniac | then fsck.ext3 /dev/hdb2, then cp -ax all the data to the new partition. I mount it, then df says hdb is still 30Gb when it should be 70, which is what fdisk reports. |
| 16:48.57 | Jimmymaniac | Now, how can i get them to agree? |
| 16:48.59 | abrotman | matt1: so you already have 2.6.18 .. but want to change it ? |
| 16:49.05 | Jimmymaniac | *hdb2 |
| 16:49.07 | abrotman | matt1: why do you want to do that ? |
| 16:49.47 | Jimmymaniac | basically df is saying that hdb2 is 30Gb while fdisk says it's 70Gb. How do i fix it? |
| 16:49.51 | pickcoder | Jimmymaniac: it's a bug in df |
| 16:50.11 | pickcoder | Jimmymaniac: have you upgraded your packages recently? |
| 16:50.26 | Jimmymaniac | pickcoder: installed it all fresh from etch |
| 16:51.26 | Jimmymaniac | pickcoder: how can i make sure it's just df and not something else? |
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| 16:51.51 | pickcoder | make sure the block sizes match between fdisk and df |
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| 16:52.02 | capiira | ok i think its xmms that dont like to share sound |
| 16:52.10 | bkhl | Is there some way to make a particular program use a specific network interface, rather than using the routes specified? |
| 16:52.17 | pickcoder | for the partition you're looking at |
| 16:52.31 | capiira | what else could i use to play webradios from shoutcast.com? |
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| 16:52.41 | kantlivelong | anyone here have a Logitech DiNovo? |
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| 16:53.42 | Jimmymaniac | hmmm, a livecd boot can clear that up, gonna try it and see if it agrees on sizes |
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| 16:54.39 | pickcoder | Jimmymaniac: you can also install another disk view utility |
| 16:54.43 | Xenoborg222 | hi @all |
| 16:55.15 | fr3ak | pickcoder, indeed, etch is stable? |
| 16:55.48 | pickcoder | fr3ak: it hasn't been release yet as stable, but it will be release once the release critial bugs are gone |
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| 16:56.12 | fr3ak | hmm |
| 16:57.00 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 16:57.03 | Xenoborg222 | How can I prevent synaptics from updating a package which I compiled using dpkg-buildpackage from the sources? |
| 16:57.15 | abrotman | !holds |
| 16:57.16 | abrotman | !hold |
| 16:57.16 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 16:57.21 | abrotman | !tell Xenoborg222 about hold |
| 16:57.23 | pickcoder | fr3ak: it was frozen last week though |
| 16:57.24 | abrotman | !tell Xenoborg222 about equivs |
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| 16:58.01 | Xenoborg222 | wow, that was quick! n1ce |
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| 17:00.17 | Xenoborg222 | awwright, works! thanks |
| 17:00.40 | neon_ | if i had a usb hard drive for my laptop, i wonder if i could dual boot off that.. or i wonder if before windows, my system would detect that 2nd hard drive and allow me to boot linux |
| 17:00.45 | neon_ | currently run winxp on my laptop |
| 17:01.04 | matt1 | !kernel compile |
| 17:01.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kernel compile is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 17:01.12 | abrotman | !tell matt1 about kp |
| 17:01.16 | Tchaka | Does anybody know when Debian etch will release in stable? it seems me that it was for the end of the year |
| 17:01.20 | pickcoder | neon_: there's many usbkey boot how-tos on the 'net. |
| 17:01.24 | neon_ | k |
| 17:01.44 | pickcoder | neon_: consider syslinux and having it point to a root partition on your PC |
| 17:01.44 | blondie | Tchaka: no |
| 17:01.55 | pickcoder | or you can use any of the debian native boot loaders |
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| 17:02.31 | pickcoder | you could even tell Grub to install on your key |
| 17:02.38 | cezeta | Hi all.... |
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| 17:02.57 | pickcoder | of course, this is all based on the fact that your PC will boot from a USB device |
| 17:03.20 | Nibbier | you could still put grub on a cd... |
| 17:04.22 | pickcoder | neon_: keep in mind, also, that the more your read/write on your key the shorter life span it will have |
| 17:04.27 | pickcoder | s/your/you |
| 17:04.34 | neon_ | on the usb? |
| 17:04.38 | pickcoder | neon_: yes |
| 17:04.43 | neon_ | thats how usb drives work? i didnt know that |
| 17:04.43 | cezeta | guys, more than one will kill me for this.... but I really asking about.... We have a dedicated servers company and we are "thinking" to migrate from debian 3.01 to ubuntu server ... Im not sure what is the besto for ass (mi partner want to migrate).... I need opinions here plaease.... (i use debian, and Im really happy with, but we but 4 brand new servers, and he is telling me to puse ubuntu.... please, be nice with me :) |
| 17:04.51 | pickcoder | they aren't immortal |
| 17:05.02 | blondie | cezeta: #ubuntu |
| 17:05.10 | cezeta | I know, I am there tooo |
| 17:05.16 | neon_ | damn thats crazy |
| 17:05.24 | Nibbier | cezeta, any reasons for that? |
| 17:05.27 | cezeta | thanks blondie :) i whant debian users advaice |
| 17:05.32 | neon_ | thanks for the info pickcoder, appreciate it.. I'll probably just install linux on my desktop machine instead (which i no longer use since i got my laptop) |
| 17:05.41 | neon_ | cus my laptop is 500x faster. so i just plug in a keyb and mouse into my laptop |
| 17:05.42 | cezeta | yes.. we run dedicated servers (game servers) |
| 17:05.43 | blondie | cezeta: use debian not ubuntu... why would we help you move to ubuntu? |
| 17:05.52 | cezeta | and debian itÅ› a little old in same aspects... |
| 17:05.58 | blondie | orly |
| 17:06.00 | zamuro | cezeta Don't migrate |
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| 17:06.10 | dvs | !zamuro++ |
| 17:06.22 | Nibbier | cezeta, debian is very stable and has excellent responsetimes to security issues |
| 17:06.55 | Nibbier | and etch at least is recent enough for my desktop |
| 17:06.57 | pickcoder | neon_: you can always use a live CD like Knoppix if you just want to boot into it for short time |
| 17:07.13 | cezeta | yes Nibbier, I undestand... I really LOVE debian... but for some aspects itÅ› really hard to get thinks "working" |
| 17:07.15 | blondie | aye, and it will be stable... "soon" |
| 17:07.30 | Nibbier | cezeta, what? |
| 17:07.45 | cezeta | we are a game server company... so in theese servers we are not a security warning... |
| 17:07.56 | cezeta | Sorry, bad english :( |
| 17:08.08 | zamuro | cezeta Why changing for worse? |
| 17:08.14 | cezeta | nono.. |
| 17:08.17 | cezeta | A explain.. |
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| 17:09.52 | cezeta | we have a server runnind debian... there we have apache, mysql an website.... (company website), yesterday, we bougth 4 servers (new ones) It will be have just GAME servers (battlefield, team speak, half life etc...) so in that 4 servers we will install or think to install UBUNTU... jejej In OOUR SERVERS off course we KEEP debian |
| 17:10.21 | cezeta | ;) |
| 17:10.28 | zamuro | Use debian there :P |
| 17:10.33 | cezeta | nejejejeej |
| 17:10.47 | cezeta | what about debian 4? its comming? |
| 17:10.59 | zamuro | Still testing branch. |
| 17:11.09 | cezeta | ouch :( jejeje |
| 17:12.20 | cezeta | Im not a expert, but... is ubuntu REALLY like debian (like ubuntu users say?) |
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| 17:12.36 | scenestar | yo |
| 17:12.36 | fr3ak | pickcoder, you there ? |
| 17:12.40 | scenestar | i managed to fuck up |
| 17:12.43 | scenestar | BITGTIME |
| 17:12.50 | blondie | o.O |
| 17:13.06 | scenestar | i accidentally removed coreutils while admining a server at 5 am |
| 17:13.16 | scenestar | now i know i can still ar -x the file |
| 17:13.23 | scenestar | the package* |
| 17:13.34 | scenestar | but does anyone have maybe a better suggestion |
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| 17:13.48 | bkhl | Is there some way to make a particular program use a specific network interface, rather than using the routes specified? |
| 17:13.48 | jelly-home | scenestar: unpack, then reinstall. |
| 17:13.58 | cezeta | well guys, thanks for everythin there :) |
| 17:13.58 | jelly-home | scenestar: what else? |
| 17:14.07 | cezeta | really thanks :) |
| 17:14.14 | scenestar | jelly, which script to run? |
| 17:14.26 | Nibbier | bkhl, some programs can do that (ping e.g.) |
| 17:14.34 | jelly-home | scenestar: no need to run scripts for coreutils, I think |
| 17:14.36 | scenestar | or just use cp? |
| 17:14.43 | scenestar | jelly ok |
| 17:14.43 | scenestar | thanks |
| 17:14.46 | scenestar | lemme checkl |
| 17:14.56 | Nibbier | bkhl, and then you could use iptables to achive that, as netfilter can handle PIDs |
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| 17:15.08 | bkhl | Yeah... |
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| 17:15.17 | jelly-home | scenestar: ar will extract data.tar.gz among other stuff, that's the package contents. unpack them in root. |
| 17:15.21 | Nibbier | bkhl, if its certain ports that should use otherroutes, try iproute2 |
| 17:15.25 | scenestar | ah |
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| 17:15.32 | scenestar | jelly so thats all |
| 17:15.50 | scenestar | tar -xzf data.tar.gz / |
| 17:16.08 | minerale | is there a netinstall for etch? |
| 17:16.19 | bkhl | Nibbier: iproute2 seems like what I need. Thanks |
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| 17:16.20 | blondie | minerale: yes |
| 17:16.27 | minerale | blondie: I can't seem to find it |
| 17:16.28 | jelly-home | scenestar: cd /; tar xzf wherever/data.tar.gz ? |
| 17:16.35 | scenestar | oh yeah |
| 17:16.36 | scenestar | thanks |
| 17:16.47 | jelly-home | scenestar: also don't work on important stuff while your brain's on reserve ;-) |
| 17:16.55 | scenestar | jelly i know |
| 17:16.56 | scenestar | :P |
| 17:17.05 | minerale | blondie: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst -> just stable, |
| 17:17.08 | blondie | minerale: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:17.08 | scenestar | some asshole upgraded my dedi to etch |
| 17:17.11 | blondie | it's on there |
| 17:17.13 | scenestar | so i was downgrading everything |
| 17:17.18 | scenestar | not paying attention |
| 17:17.22 | rahul | scenestar: are you calling yourself an asshole? |
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| 17:17.24 | rahul | that's not nice |
| 17:17.29 | rahul | apologize to yourself, now |
| 17:17.37 | Nibbier | :) |
| 17:17.40 | scenestar | because right now about a few thousand users are unable to connect |
| 17:17.48 | scenestar | :| |
| 17:17.52 | rahul | :) |
| 17:17.55 | blondie | minerale: and if you read the page whose link you pasted you'll find the link ;p |
| 17:17.56 | Nibbier | actually a few million users are unable to connect :D |
| 17:18.07 | minerale | blondie: thanks |
| 17:18.18 | jelly-home | Nibbier: but most of them are not his problem? |
| 17:18.25 | Nibbier | guess so :D |
| 17:18.54 | scenestar | rahul :P |
| 17:19.11 | blondie | unable to connect to what? |
| 17:19.15 | scenestar | uhm |
| 17:19.23 | scenestar | a whole block of websites |
| 17:19.48 | Nibbier | scenestar, what about just putting the backups back on the box? |
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| 17:20.00 | scenestar | Nibbier nah |
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| 17:20.05 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out which process uses /dev/sda?? |
| 17:20.07 | scenestar | no point |
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| 17:20.18 | Nibbier | HardDisk_WP, fuser /dev/sda |
| 17:20.21 | scenestar | i knew it was a simple matter of wget and tar |
| 17:20.27 | Nibbier | HardDisk_WP, lsof |grep /dev/sda |
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| 17:20.50 | HardDisk_WP | Strange |
| 17:20.55 | HardDisk_WP | Nothing uses it |
| 17:21.11 | HardDisk_WP | but umount /dev/sda gives umount: /media/ipod: device is busy |
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| 17:21.32 | Nibbier | HardDisk_WP, did you try the lsof one? |
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| 17:21.36 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: make sure you're not in the /media/ipod directory |
| 17:21.45 | fr3ak | Where i could get Etch DVD sets ? |
| 17:21.58 | disgustipated | anyone good with boot problems? |
| 17:22.00 | tralala | fr3ak, fsn.hu |
| 17:22.02 | fr3ak | *.ISO* |
| 17:22.03 | blondie | fr3ak: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 17:22.08 | fr3ak | isos |
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| 17:22.48 | HardDisk_WP | Nibbier, yes |
| 17:22.59 | fr3ak | tralala, fsn.hu is dead.. |
| 17:23.00 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, yea |
| 17:23.11 | blondie | fr3ak: there^ |
| 17:23.24 | fr3ak | Ah, thanks |
| 17:23.46 | Nibbier | HardDisk_WP, umount -f it? |
| 17:23.51 | disgustipated | i cant get any OS to boot after having windowsXP installed, i even booted a dos floppy and fdisk /mbr ... several OS's tried |
| 17:24.01 | blondie | HardDisk_WP: try umount -l |
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| 17:24.23 | tapiwa | I am trying to install debian onto a laptop - the problem is the display flickers making it difficult for me read whats written, any ideas |
| 17:24.24 | HardDisk_WP | umount2: Das Gerät oder die Ressource ist belegt |
| 17:24.24 | HardDisk_WP | umount: /media/ipod: device is busy |
| 17:24.30 | tralala | fr3ak, ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/etch-dvd |
| 17:24.37 | Kuko | Hello is anyone able to tell me if this ipod would work with my etch system? |
| 17:24.37 | Kuko | http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10079787&catid=23473 |
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| 17:25.08 | tralala | hmm.. that's fairly old. What do you mean by "dead"/ |
| 17:25.38 | scenestar | pfew |
| 17:25.40 | scenestar | it works again |
| 17:25.43 | scenestar | I R00LE |
| 17:25.43 | blondie | !ipod |
| 17:25.43 | dpkg | hmm... ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 17:25.58 | blondie | scenestar: orly? |
| 17:26.04 | scenestar | blondie yarly |
| 17:26.08 | HardDisk_WP | blondie, i use gtkpod :D |
| 17:26.13 | scenestar | for an 18 year old pot smoking skateboarder |
| 17:26.19 | scenestar | i know an awfull lot about linux |
| 17:26.38 | HardDisk_WP | Nibbier, how do I mount a FAT32 device so that everyone can write not just root? |
| 17:26.59 | Nibbier | HardDisk_WP, man mount, you can set its userid and filemodes |
| 17:27.07 | Nibbier | in fstab at best |
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| 17:28.02 | scenestar | HardDisk_WP |
| 17:28.03 | scenestar | yeah |
| 17:28.17 | scenestar | make sure its mounted rw user |
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| 17:28.58 | HardDisk_WP | scenestar, how do i do that? i know there is some optiuon for mount, but i cant find it |
| 17:29.13 | cahoot | HardDisk_WP: msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 17:31.03 | disgustipated | when you install linux do you have to make the ext3 partition "active" like in dos? |
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| 17:31.38 | disgustipated | even if you did, that never was a problem for the BeOS bootloader that i use all the time, and now nothing will boot |
| 17:31.43 | xsdg | disgustipated: yes, that's mainly a BIOS thing |
| 17:31.55 | disgustipated | my bios is configured correctly |
| 17:32.02 | disgustipated | but my hard disk just wont boot |
| 17:32.08 | xsdg | disgustipated: (basically, the BIOS won't try to boot off of a partition unless it has the boot tag set, iirc) |
| 17:32.29 | xKintaro | I'm having trouble navigating the debian website. Who maintains the debian thunderbird stable packages? |
| 17:32.42 | xsdg | !maint thunderbird stable |
| 17:32.47 | disgustipated | so in gparted is there an option to set the disk active? |
| 17:33.08 | xsdg | hmm |
| 17:33.12 | xsdg | !maint stable thunderbird |
| 17:33.16 | pickcoder | yes.. "bootable" |
| 17:33.20 | pickcoder | IRRC |
| 17:33.23 | pickcoder | IIRC even |
| 17:33.39 | xsdg | xKintaro: so, dpkg says package "thunderbird" doesn't exist in stable, which is odd |
| 17:33.52 | pickcoder | it may be in backports |
| 17:34.26 | pickcoder | ah.. mozilla-thunderbird |
| 17:34.43 | HardDisk_WP | cahoot, damn..ipod changes its sdX every connect |
| 17:34.44 | pickcoder | it's in main |
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| 17:35.17 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: are you using udev? |
| 17:35.30 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, whats udev? |
| 17:35.36 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: if so, you can configure it to make a node like /dev/ipod for it |
| 17:35.43 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: ps ax | grep -i udev |
| 17:35.58 | HardDisk_WP | marco@marco-debian:~$ ps ax | grep -i udev |
| 17:35.59 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.59 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: udev is a subsystem for managing /dev from userspace |
| 17:36.04 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: ok, so you are |
| 17:36.05 | HardDisk_WP | ah |
| 17:36.12 | HardDisk_WP | how do i configure it? |
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| 17:36.42 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
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| 17:36.58 | wastrel_ | hi |
| 17:37.01 | pickcoder | xKintaro: apt-cache show mozilla-thunderbird |
| 17:37.04 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: there's info in there (including examples and instructions on writing config rules); the actual configuration will happen in /etc/udev/ |
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| 17:37.15 | xsdg | !maint mozilla-thunderbird stable |
| 17:37.20 | dpkg | mozilla-thunderbird: Alexander Sack <asac@debian.org> |
| 17:37.23 | HardDisk_WP | oh my god, sounds complex |
| 17:37.29 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: it's not that bad |
| 17:37.42 | wastrel_ | udev eh |
| 17:37.48 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: and it works like a charm; I did the same thing for my camera (attaches with USB) |
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| 17:38.15 | wastrel_ | pretty easy to copy a rule already in place |
| 17:38.34 | xKintaro | thanks xsdg! |
| 17:38.41 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, where to start? i dunno which file to open... |
| 17:38.53 | Flimzy | I'm needing to set up a Linux firewall, and want to use a flash drive instead of a hard drive, to reduce the number of physically moving parts... should I do a standard Debian installation, or are there any good "linux floppy" types of firewall distros that are worth considering in a production environment? |
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| 17:39.28 | capiira | hmm i think my usb diginal sound system is not using dmix |
| 17:39.41 | xsdg | xKintaro: np |
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| 17:39.46 | pickcoder | Flimzy: flash will wear out quickly of you run a distro from it |
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| 17:40.01 | xsdg | pickcoder: not really |
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| 17:40.11 | capiira | the mainboard build card can play sound from different apps at same time |
| 17:40.15 | pickcoder | xsdg: if that's the only media that is used and no ramdisk is used |
| 17:40.16 | xsdg | pickcoder: reading doesn't do anything; you just don't want to write a whole bunch in one spot |
| 17:40.27 | fulldisclosure | Hi, is it posible to compile debian kernel 2.6.18 with gcc 4.1? |
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| 17:40.32 | fulldisclosure | I have an error: |
| 17:40.33 | xsdg | pickcoder: ::nod:: |
| 17:40.37 | pickcoder | Flimzy: why not a boot CD? |
| 17:40.42 | xsdg | pickcoder: but a firewall won't need to write very much to disk |
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| 17:40.47 | fulldisclosure | WARNING: drivers/atm/he.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text: from .text between 'he_start' (at offset 0x1f1d) and 'he_service_tbrq' |
| 17:40.49 | fulldisclosure | And it stops |
| 17:40.51 | xsdg | pickcoder: CDs can die spectacularly |
| 17:40.52 | pickcoder | xsdg: no, except for logs.. <g> |
| 17:41.03 | xsdg | pickcoder: logs can be sent over the net |
| 17:41.05 | pickcoder | unless you don't plan on logging hack attempts |
| 17:41.11 | xsdg | pickcoder: why? |
| 17:41.22 | xsdg | pickcoder: what are you going to do with those logs? |
| 17:41.39 | pickcoder | xsdg: PCI regulations require it |
| 17:41.46 | pickcoder | if you have card holder information |
| 17:41.58 | xsdg | "oh... ick..." |
| 17:42.02 | pickcoder | if it's a home PC router, then you don't need logs |
| 17:42.03 | tralala | xsdg, I'll sniff your root password </evil laughter> |
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| 17:42.19 | protocol2 | can someone help me in getting the latest version of Wine on my Etch system? |
| 17:42.36 | karsten | protocol2: aptitude install wine |
| 17:42.39 | pickcoder | I wouldn't run a commercial router from a USB key anyway.. |
| 17:42.40 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 17:42.41 | xsdg | pickcoder: regardless, writing logs shouldn't be an issue (other than, potentially, space). Additionally, there are a bunch of ways to send logs over the wire |
| 17:42.58 | fulldisclosure | prolog, Why do you need the latest? |
| 17:43.04 | jelly-home | pickcoder: oh, but running it from a pcmcia flash is ok? |
| 17:43.09 | fulldisclosure | Hi, is it posible to compile debian kernel 2.6.18 with gcc 4.1? |
| 17:43.20 | tralala | no |
| 17:43.37 | fulldisclosure | tralala, me? |
| 17:43.48 | fulldisclosure | tralala, Should I use then 3.4 for example? |
| 17:43.50 | tralala | you |
| 17:43.51 | xsdg | fulldisclosure: yes (or, at least, 2.6.19.1) |
| 17:43.53 | pickcoder | jelly-home: I'd give a lot better stability odds to a CF drive than a $15 USB key |
| 17:43.53 | protocol2 | karsten, after I intalled it why cant I do a "winecfg" ? |
| 17:43.56 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, well, i read the doc and i dont understand anything |
| 17:44.03 | xsdg | fulldisclosure: I'm running 2.6.19.1 compiled with 4.1 right now |
| 17:44.04 | protocol2 | it says command not found |
| 17:44.04 | fulldisclosure | ok xsdg |
| 17:44.04 | karsten | protocol2: Dunno. |
| 17:44.09 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: Debian's 2.6.18 IS compiled with gcc-4.1 |
| 17:44.17 | karsten | !tell protocol2 about search |
| 17:44.19 | Flimzy | pickcoder: I don't want to use a CD, because it doesn't allow us to write confuration changes. |
| 17:44.21 | pickcoder | for booting... |
| 17:44.21 | fulldisclosure | xsdg, no 19 in etch |
| 17:44.24 | Flimzy | configuration, even |
| 17:44.36 | pickcoder | Flimzy: you can store your config on a tftp server |
| 17:44.43 | fulldisclosure | jelly, I have an error and dont know reason |
| 17:44.49 | fulldisclosure | WARNING: drivers/atm/he.o - Section mismatch: reference to .init.text: from .text between 'he_start' (at offset 0x1f1d) and 'he_service_tbrq' |
| 17:44.50 | xsdg | fulldisclosure: oh; I use vanilla sources; I dunno about make-kpkg and friends |
| 17:44.51 | fulldisclosure | then it stops |
| 17:44.54 | disgustipated | DAMN |
| 17:44.55 | protocol2 | someone has to have experience with installing wine in here |
| 17:44.55 | pickcoder | that way you don't have to touch the device |
| 17:44.59 | pickcoder | to make changes |
| 17:44.59 | karsten | protocol2: wine-utils seems to be where it's at. |
| 17:45.08 | protocol2 | ok |
| 17:45.15 | Flimzy | pickcoder: I suppose. That seems overly complex. |
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| 17:45.22 | karsten | protocol2: auto-apt search winecfg: usr/lib/wine/winecfg.exe.sootherosfs/wine-utils |
| 17:45.34 | disgustipated | it was a mis-configured bios due to a weird spacing inbetween the drive numbers |
| 17:45.38 | wastrel_ | i downloaded the netinstall floppies |
| 17:46.09 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: which exact kernel version? 2.6.18.x, where x=? |
| 17:46.11 | pickcoder | Flimzy: yes.. and they are easier ways to get it done, but they may not be as flexible or stable. |
| 17:46.12 | protocol2 | got it |
| 17:46.17 | pickcoder | Flimzy: trade-offs and all |
| 17:46.18 | protocol2 | winecfg works now thanks |
| 17:46.21 | fulldisclosure | jelly, 3 |
| 17:46.25 | fulldisclosure | Linux debian 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:46.53 | disgustipated | thanks guys! |
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| 17:47.06 | Flimzy | pickcoder: So far you haven't convinced me of any negative trade-offs with using a flash drive. |
| 17:47.15 | pickcoder | Flimzy: ok |
| 17:47.21 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: sorry; I'm not sure how much I can help then |
| 17:47.25 | Flimzy | pickcoder: If there are some, by all means let me know. hehe |
| 17:47.47 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: what are you really trying to do? |
| 17:47.48 | Flimzy | pickcoder: But going to a boot cd + tftp config thus far sounds needlessly complex compared to running Debian off of flash |
| 17:48.03 | fulldisclosure | jelly-home, compile the kernel |
| 17:48.12 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: why? |
| 17:48.29 | fulldisclosure | because I need it |
| 17:48.32 | fulldisclosure | :-) |
| 17:48.36 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, ok |
| 17:48.36 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: why? |
| 17:48.38 | pickcoder | Flimzy: you're building it, so whatever you are comfortable configuring is what you should test |
| 17:48.57 | fulldisclosure | jelly-home, I applied a patch for control remote support for my macbook |
| 17:49.02 | Flimzy | pickcoder: That's a worthless bit of advice. But thanks anyway :) |
| 17:49.04 | fulldisclosure | and some customization for my system |
| 17:49.05 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: you might find tutorials and things online |
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| 17:49.10 | pickcoder | I'm full of worthless advice |
| 17:49.10 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, but is it possible to give the options specified in /msg dpkg vfat via command line |
| 17:49.14 | pickcoder | that's why I hang out here |
| 17:49.15 | HardDisk_WP | to mount? |
| 17:49.16 | fulldisclosure | I cant understand where it fails... |
| 17:49.22 | pickcoder | !beer Flimzy |
| 17:49.55 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: you mean vfatrw? |
| 17:50.12 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: you seem not to know the difference between giving the version of the currently running kernel and what you're actually trying to compile. |
| 17:50.26 | nvz | I keep getting this error message: "/!\ GIMP Message Fatal error in PNG image file: Write Error" and I have no clue what it means or why I am getting it |
| 17:50.40 | fulldisclosure | jelly-home, I am trying to compile a kernel of same version I am using |
| 17:50.45 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: if that's what you mean, "yes": mount -o the,longString,of,options |
| 17:50.58 | xsdg | nvz: #gimp on irc.gimp.net |
| 17:50.59 | pickcoder | Flimzy: if you can go manage it.. Ultra II camera sticks are quite fast |
| 17:51.05 | pickcoder | s/go// |
| 17:51.07 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: so you downloaded the debian sources? |
| 17:51.11 | pickcoder | though, they are expensive |
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| 17:51.23 | nvz | xsdg: cool.. strange thing is.. it pops up every time I load or save a JPEG :P |
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| 17:51.30 | xsdg | nvz: oh |
| 17:51.37 | fulldisclosure | jelly, Yes, in version.Debian: |
| 17:51.52 | xsdg | nvz: something is probably misconfigured so that the PNG plugin tries to load JPEGs before the JPEG plugin does |
| 17:51.54 | Flimzy | pickcoder: for a firweall, fast media isn't that necessary. :) |
| 17:51.55 | fulldisclosure | alberto@debian:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18$ cat version.Debian |
| 17:51.56 | fulldisclosure | 2.6.18-7 |
| 17:52.09 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, thx |
| 17:52.16 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: np |
| 17:52.21 | fulldisclosure | jelly, It seems to be compiling OK now, dont know why |
| 17:52.22 | nvz | xsdg: sounds sort of logical.. though why would it be writing PNGs when I _load_ jpegs |
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| 17:52.42 | fulldisclosure | jelly, Maybe I did something wrong using root before and changing permissions with a make |
| 17:52.48 | fulldisclosure | jelly, It seems to be working now |
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| 17:52.55 | pickcoder | Flimzy: boot time would be reduced |
| 17:52.57 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to see the status of my laptop battery via command line? |
| 17:52.58 | fulldisclosure | jelly, Thanks anyway ok? |
| 17:53.00 | jelly-home | fulldisclosure: eh, ok |
| 17:53.08 | xsdg | nvz: good question; dunno |
| 17:53.16 | xsdg | anyway, /me off |
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| 17:53.31 | xsdg | ruben: acpitool |
| 17:53.36 | ruben | thanks |
| 17:53.42 | jelly-home | ruben: acpi -b |
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| 17:54.25 | Flimzy | pickcoder: boot time should be minimal anyway. |
| 17:54.51 | pickcoder | especially if the kernel is stripped |
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| 17:56.17 | scenestar | pifft |
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| 17:59.08 | HardDisk_WP | dammit. |
| 17:59.16 | HardDisk_WP | How do I tell OpenAL to give me shound?? |
| 17:59.20 | HardDisk_WP | -h |
| 17:59.32 | HardDisk_WP | I play Ureal TOurnament 2k4 and it doesnt sound :-( |
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| 17:59.59 | aidan | Does anyone know if there will be AMD64 packages for PHP5 in backports.org any time soon? |
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| 18:01.01 | protocol2 | is there a way to stop X |
| 18:01.06 | protocol2 | via console? |
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| 18:01.59 | protocol2 | or close it and still be logged into my account? |
| 18:02.31 | DerJamster | protocol2: ps will show you the running processes. ps afx shows all, in a nice tree view |
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| 18:02.34 | HardDisk_WP | protocol2, try ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 18:02.40 | protocol2 | ok |
| 18:02.50 | DerJamster | you can kill processes using kill theprocessnumber. or use pkill processname |
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| 18:04.00 | wastrel_ | seems like the display manager would just restart x if you kill the running process |
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| 18:06.03 | pickcoder | it will |
| 18:06.19 | pickcoder | if a desktop manager is running it will respawn |
| 18:06.25 | tarzeau | can several packages generated from one source package go into different sections? |
| 18:07.02 | valdyn | tarzeau: why not? |
| 18:07.04 | tarzeau | valdyn: dunno, i've never needed that |
| 18:07.13 | tarzeau | valdyn: Section: entries in binary package part of debian/control |
| 18:07.20 | tarzeau | valdyn: do you have any example package? |
| 18:07.35 | tarzeau | where can i look at the section override file? |
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| 18:11.32 | protocol2 | how do I get into pure console mode or run level 3? |
| 18:11.45 | abrotman | run levels in debian all match unless you've done something specific |
| 18:11.50 | abrotman | erm .. 2-5 mathc |
| 18:12.08 | dvs | match! |
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| 18:12.15 | protocol2 | well is there a way to get into pure console mode? |
| 18:12.18 | tarzeau | haha |
| 18:12.21 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:12.22 | dpkg | <Green-x> hello all, does any body have the serial number for parralles workstation?; <SpyderMan> Green-x: yes : J00RT3HH4X0R5; <Green-x> SpyderMan, thats wrong! |
| 18:12.27 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, in windows there exist two suspend modes: standby and RAM to Disk. Is there anything similar in Debian? |
| 18:12.28 | dvs | protocol2: ctrl-atl-2 |
| 18:12.29 | tarzeau | !nodm |
| 18:12.30 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 18:12.32 | dvs | protocol2: ctrl-atl-F2 |
| 18:12.33 | Linux50 | hello everyone. Can someone let me know if im installing this correctly " apt-get install rsync" |
| 18:12.39 | protocol2 | ok thanks |
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| 18:13.18 | tarzeau | 19:13 [gnu] CTCP VERSION reply from Linux50: mIRC v6.17 Khaled Mardam-Bey |
| 18:13.20 | CharminTheMoose | Linux50:why wouldn't you be? |
| 18:13.20 | dvs | Linux50: looks good to me |
| 18:13.40 | valdyn | tarzeau: tarzeau apt-cache show libc6 libc6-dev | grep Section |
| 18:14.03 | Linux50 | I tried it but it did not work. |
| 18:14.09 | dvs | !does not work |
| 18:14.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:14.19 | pickcoder | Linux50: maybe you're not root? |
| 18:14.40 | Linux50 | is that the correct name of the package? |
| 18:14.41 | tarzeau | valdyn: would you put a -doc package into whatever the non-doc package goes or into the doc section? |
| 18:14.58 | Linux50 | Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:14.59 | pickcoder | Linux50: apt should tell that it's not, if it's not |
| 18:15.08 | dvs | Linux50: you're not root |
| 18:15.10 | valdyn | tarzeau: i would think that's in the debian policy |
| 18:15.11 | Linux50 | Unable to lock the download directory |
| 18:15.14 | Linux50 | i am root |
| 18:15.18 | pickcoder | no.. you're not |
| 18:15.23 | Linux50 | root@LINKSTATION:~# whoami |
| 18:15.24 | Linux50 | root |
| 18:15.25 | pickcoder | you get that error b/c you don't have root write perms |
| 18:15.27 | tarzeau | Linux50: someone is running apt or dpkg already |
| 18:15.33 | pickcoder | hm |
| 18:15.37 | tarzeau | Linux50: try pkill -9 dpkg; pkill -9 apt-get before you try |
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| 18:15.52 | tarzeau | wow a hostname with all caps! |
| 18:15.59 | seb- | what means?...W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: ...etc. |
| 18:16.00 | tarzeau | LINKSTATION, yuck |
| 18:16.10 | phaedrus44 | which is the best commenting system right now for joomla |
| 18:16.11 | phaedrus44 | ? |
| 18:16.12 | Linux50 | tarzeau? |
| 18:16.13 | tarzeau | i bet you've got another host called TANKSTATION |
| 18:16.14 | seb- | war95: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 18:16.18 | valdyn | !topicsmite seb- |
| 18:16.18 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon seb-. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:16.22 | phaedrus44 | sorry..wrong channel |
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| 18:16.36 | Linux50 | tarzeau: this device is a mips device. The Buffallo linkstation. |
| 18:16.39 | Linux50 | its awesome |
| 18:16.48 | shawn_ | Whats a website where I can buy cpu's? |
| 18:16.51 | Linux50 | its a 160 gig nas |
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| 18:16.53 | tarzeau | Linux50: foto? |
| 18:16.58 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 18:17.01 | Linux50 | about the size of a brick |
| 18:17.04 | Linux50 | what is foto |
| 18:17.06 | shawn_ | And hard drives and stuff |
| 18:17.09 | muaddib | shawn_: try newegg |
| 18:17.13 | shawn_ | Okay thanks |
| 18:17.41 | pickcoder | hrm.. speaking of computer parts.. I wonder if Monarch will answer the phone this week |
| 18:17.56 | pickcoder | or is everyone still on perm vacation |
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| 18:19.16 | boodie | Hi - anybody speaking python? |
| 18:19.24 | DevilChaos | i take it that there isnt boot splash for kernel 2.6.18-3-686 yet? |
| 18:19.24 | kspath | your kidding I wanted to buy from monarch |
| 18:19.26 | tarzeau | boodie: no |
| 18:19.34 | rahul | boodie: is this #python? |
| 18:19.44 | DevilChaos | patches and so forth |
| 18:19.47 | boodie | Indeed it's not |
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| 18:19.50 | Linux50 | im sorry, what does foto stand for? |
| 18:19.55 | Behi | hi all |
| 18:20.08 | Behi | any ideas why KDE fonts looks terrible on my laptop? |
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| 18:20.38 | shawn_ | DO you have to buy a special cpu for laptops? |
| 18:20.41 | tarzeau | Behi: screenshot? |
| 18:20.56 | Behi | tarzeau: of my screen? |
| 18:21.05 | tarzeau | Behi: yes, the the fonts |
| 18:21.07 | rahul | shawn_: not technically, but you'd want to |
| 18:21.07 | DevilChaos | shawn no you dont need special cpu for laptop |
| 18:21.10 | Behi | tarzeau: ok |
| 18:21.17 | Linux50 | FOTO? |
| 18:21.19 | Behi | tarzeau: I'll upload it in a moment |
| 18:21.34 | Behi | tarzeau: what was the shortcut for a screenshot |
| 18:21.34 | Behi | ? |
| 18:21.46 | rahul | shawn_: you're not going to be putting the cpu in there yourself anyway |
| 18:21.46 | kspath | shawn_: heat and power consumption are major concerns for laptops as well as size |
| 18:21.48 | tarzeau | Behi: i use scrot bang.bang.png |
| 18:22.51 | shawn_ | Well I mean will a cpu for a desktop fit in a laptop? |
| 18:23.19 | Supaplex | shawn_: it might, but it might not. |
| 18:23.19 | rahul | shawn_: how would you put it in there? |
| 18:23.19 | kspath | shawn_: not impossbile but unlikely |
| 18:23.27 | rahul | shawn_: and if it fit, it would probably overheat. |
| 18:23.30 | wastrel_ | i downloaded the boot floppy images |
| 18:23.46 | shawn_ | SO there are different cpu's made for laptops? |
| 18:23.58 | Supaplex | portable processors have mor epower saving features to |
| 18:24.08 | kspath | shawn_ they are two totally different designs one is built to max processing for the dollar and other has size and power restrictions |
| 18:24.09 | Supaplex | mor epower/more power/ |
| 18:24.27 | kspath | shawn_ using less power most often means less heat as well |
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| 18:24.36 | shawn_ | I got a 700mhz cpu now, how much would it cost for one so I can play videos |
| 18:24.46 | HardDisk_WP | in windows there exist two suspend modes: standby and RAM to Disk. Is there anything similar in Debian? |
| 18:24.55 | Behi | tarzeau: http://files.myopera.com/behrangsa/files/snapshot1.png |
| 18:24.56 | tarzeau | shawn_: depends on the size, and encoding |
| 18:24.56 | DocStrangelove | hey guys. |
| 18:25.23 | shawn_ | tarzeau: Just any video |
| 18:25.25 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: yes (actually three), cat /sys/power/state |
| 18:25.26 | rahul | shawn_: $0 |
| 18:25.34 | tarzeau | Behi: looks fine here? |
| 18:25.35 | rahul | shawn_: you already have a cpu that can play videos |
| 18:25.42 | DocStrangelove | anyone familiar with udev rules? especially with {ENV}. this is driving me nuts for the last 48 hours. |
| 18:25.47 | shawn_ | rahul: What do I need then, a video card? |
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| 18:26.00 | rahul | shawn_: no. you just need software to decode the video. |
| 18:26.08 | rahul | shawn_: and to display the image on screen |
| 18:26.08 | shawn_ | rahul: I have mplayer |
| 18:26.09 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: you should be able to suspend to disk by doing 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' |
| 18:26.12 | tarzeau | Behi: what resolution do you run? it's a tft/lcd i guess |
| 18:26.15 | rahul | shawn_: so what's the problem? |
| 18:26.19 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, thx |
| 18:26.27 | tarzeau | Behi: otherwise #debian-kde |
| 18:26.31 | shawn_ | rahul: The video plays super slow, like 2 frames per second |
| 18:26.32 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, is there a manpage for this? |
| 18:26.43 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: when you next boot, you'll probably need 'resume=/dev/whatever', where 'whatever' is your swap partition |
| 18:26.48 | rahul | shawn_: ... there's more than one video... |
| 18:26.49 | Behi | tarzeau: 1024x768 |
| 18:26.55 | Behi | tarzeau: yes, a laptop |
| 18:26.58 | shawn_ | rahul: Any video |
| 18:26.59 | rahul | shawn_: different videos can take different amounts of cpu to decode |
| 18:27.04 | rahul | shawn_: "any"? |
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| 18:27.06 | Behi | I think i din't have this problem with gnome... |
| 18:27.07 | shawn_ | rahul: Yes |
| 18:27.11 | DevilChaos | someone guide me through patching my kernel please for boot splash? |
| 18:27.12 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: no; in Documentation in the kernel source tree, or all over the wen |
| 18:27.15 | amphi | *web |
| 18:27.17 | rahul | shawn_: 486s could play videos |
| 18:27.21 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: this is a laptop? |
| 18:27.27 | shawn_ | rahul: Well mine wont |
| 18:27.31 | rahul | shawn_: video cutscenes existed in games before pentiums, even |
| 18:27.33 | abrotman | HI |
| 18:27.37 | rahul | HO |
| 18:27.42 | DevilChaos | cant i just use module-assistant? |
| 18:27.44 | abrotman | it's off to work we go |
| 18:27.46 | amphi | shawn_: mplayer -vo xv is as slow? |
| 18:28.05 | shawn_ | amphi: xv? I dont have X |
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| 18:28.18 | amphi | shawn_: ah ;) |
| 18:28.21 | shawn_ | amphi: I have svga, my computer is too slow for X |
| 18:28.24 | rahul | shawn_: are you using directfb? |
| 18:28.27 | rahul | hrm |
| 18:28.32 | abrotman | shawn_: how slow is it ? |
| 18:28.50 | abrotman | if your computer is too slow for X .. what are you doing with mplayer ? |
| 18:28.51 | shawn_ | abrotman: Like takes 3 seconds to open the KDE menu at the bottom left |
| 18:28.55 | kspath | shawn_, I am on a 700Mhz iBook and it can play video or audio with X |
| 18:29.04 | kspath | shawn_, no RAM? |
| 18:29.06 | rahul | shawn_: you're complaining about speed and you're using KDE?? |
| 18:29.07 | DocStrangelove | damn it, I´ll have to get high, otherwise i´ll start killing my neighbours.... |
| 18:29.07 | abrotman | shawn_: okay .. that's KDE .. but how slow is it ? |
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| 18:29.12 | tarzeau | rahul: framebuffer doesn't need be slow, just linux screws it up |
| 18:29.14 | rahul | !penixstrike shawn_ |
| 18:29.14 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking shawn_ to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:29.19 | rahul | tarzeau: I know |
| 18:29.22 | kspath | shawn_ try openbox3 |
| 18:29.25 | tarzeau | rahul: hehe :) |
| 18:29.25 | shawn_ | rahul: No, I didn't say im using KDE, I dont have X |
| 18:29.27 | rahul | tarzeau: KDE makes it worse ;) |
| 18:29.36 | tarzeau | rahul: yeh, but linux really screws it up |
| 18:29.37 | shawn_ | I've tried fluxbox and its super slow |
| 18:29.40 | abrotman | shawn_: what speed CPU .. how much RAM ? |
| 18:29.43 | rahul | shawn_: don't complain about X by using KDE as an example |
| 18:29.52 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, no, a normal PC |
| 18:29.53 | shawn_ | I got like 256mb ram, 700mhz |
| 18:29.53 | rahul | tarzeau: yeah, I hear there's lots of bad locking going on |
| 18:29.56 | tarzeau | rahul: same with gnome and its terminal |
| 18:30.00 | abrotman | rahul: my car uses a lot of gas .. it only has two tires |
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| 18:30.10 | rahul | my car gets lots of ass. |
| 18:30.18 | tarzeau | my car is better than my bed |
| 18:30.20 | abrotman | shawn_: that's plenty fast enough for X .. just don't use gnome/kde (and even they're "usable") |
| 18:30.22 | dvs | abrotman: huh? 2 tires? |
| 18:30.25 | Stalwart | i have problem with keys, solution provided by bot didn't help |
| 18:30.27 | rahul | everyone sits on it |
| 18:30.34 | shawn_ | abrotman: I tried fluxbox |
| 18:30.37 | kspath | shawn_ I have 640MB RAM on my 700Mhz so it is not so bad if I was in swap like you are it would suck |
| 18:30.40 | tarzeau | rahul: can you install a webcam? |
| 18:30.40 | rahul | abrotman: cars can use lots of gas with 4 wheels, too :P |
| 18:30.43 | rahul | tarzeau: haha |
| 18:30.44 | Stalwart | no public key for A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 18:30.51 | dvs | !topicsmite Stalwart |
| 18:30.52 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Stalwart. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:30.53 | rahul | tarzeau: to watch people sitting in a car? |
| 18:31.00 | Stalwart | dvs: it didn't help |
| 18:31.02 | tarzeau | rahul: yeh |
| 18:31.06 | shawn_ | Do I just need more RAM? |
| 18:31.08 | rahul | tarzeau: wierdo |
| 18:31.20 | Endgamer | Hey everyone, does anyone have on-hand the URL of a certain blog that contains a (currently) 3-part install of Rails, Nginx, Mongrel, and Postgresql on Debian 3.1? |
| 18:31.29 | Endgamer | I was looking at it last night and bookmarked on my home computer, but I'm at work. |
| 18:31.34 | rahul | shawn_: try using vmstat while you're playing a video |
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| 18:31.49 | yos87 | Hi |
| 18:31.57 | rahul | shawn_: take samples in one terminal and play video from the other |
| 18:32.08 | rahul | shawn_: see what's spiking during the playback |
| 18:32.42 | kspath | shawn_, RAM always helps I do not buy or build anything with less than 2GB RAM now |
| 18:32.56 | kspath | shawn, else I do without |
| 18:32.56 | yos87 | I install LimeWire on debian, and I make the save folder to a fat partition, when I open limewire is say limewire has no permission to write on the selected folder, click ok to keep the old folder |
| 18:33.12 | yos87 | what to do to give limewire permission to write on the folder? |
| 18:33.16 | rahul | kspath: sheesh. my desktop has 256MB |
| 18:33.22 | tarzeau | yos87: mount it with permissions for it? |
| 18:33.23 | rahul | kspath: it's actually not THAT bad. |
| 18:33.35 | rahul | kspath: it also hasn't been upgraded for 6 years |
| 18:33.38 | tarzeau | yos87: -o umask=000 |
| 18:33.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | yos87: chown -R user:group /wherever/it's/mounted |
| 18:33.46 | kspath | rahul, I are used to it |
| 18:33.52 | tarzeau | yos87: btw know #arabeyes ? |
| 18:33.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | or what tarzeau said |
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| 18:33.58 | rahul | kspath: my workstation has 8GB ;) |
| 18:34.05 | shawn_ | rahul: 93k remaining |
| 18:34.12 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: fat doesn't know user or group |
| 18:34.19 | kspath | rahul, not sure I you use it in that case |
| 18:34.32 | rahul | shawn_: look at what spikes |
| 18:34.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Oh crap...I skimmed it, so I didn't read that. :P |
| 18:34.42 | rahul | shawn_: remaining of what where? |
| 18:34.59 | rahul | shawn_: I said use vmstat with periodic sampling during the playback.... |
| 18:35.02 | kspath | rahul, I do not mind single task machines using swap but real services for others or a workstation with multiple appps I need a lot of ram |
| 18:35.04 | shawn_ | rahul, just says 93k memory is free |
| 18:35.13 | tarzeau | yos87: you use other stuff besides limewire? |
| 18:35.22 | tarzeau | anyone using emule or edonkey and the like? gift? |
| 18:35.27 | yos87 | tarzeau: what stuff? |
| 18:35.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I use KTorrent |
| 18:35.38 | rahul | shawn_: vmstat says JUST that? |
| 18:35.46 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: but where do you get your torrents from? |
| 18:35.49 | yos87 | tarzeau: do you know the replacement of limewire |
| 18:35.58 | shawn_ | rahul: Nothing spikes |
| 18:35.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Various sites. ScrapeTorrent first and foremos |
| 18:36.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | foremost* |
| 18:36.10 | shawn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.13 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: does ktorrent have a button "download songs of NANA MOUSKOURI" ? |
| 18:36.15 | rahul | shawn_: no significant difference between idle and playing? |
| 18:36.24 | shawn_ | rahul: wait |
| 18:36.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: What do you mean? |
| 18:36.38 | yos87 | tarzeau: I'll add the umask=000 to the fstab |
| 18:36.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: KTorrent has a search function if you mean that |
| 18:36.44 | rahul | shawn_: have it sample periodically and then play a movie from another vt |
| 18:36.44 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: can i search for nana mouskouri music mp3 songs in ktorrent? |
| 18:36.49 | shawn_ | 2 0 0 104624 9828 103892 0 0 47 19 1023 331 17 3 77 3 |
| 18:36.52 | shawn_ | Thats idle |
| 18:36.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Depends on the search engine you use |
| 18:37.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: But there's nothing in KTorrent itself preventing it |
| 18:37.11 | Linux50 | what command should i use to uninstall nfs? |
| 18:37.15 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: does it have built in millions of zillions of search engines, or must i find them? |
| 18:37.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | It has a few |
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| 18:37.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I recommend adding ScrapeTorrent |
| 18:37.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's not built in |
| 18:37.45 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: can you send me all your configuration to me by email? |
| 18:37.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wouldn't be a good idea |
| 18:38.04 | tarzeau | rahul: damn do i need to install KDE now? or is there other ktorrent? |
| 18:38.06 | yos87 | tarzeau: I know some other programs |
| 18:38.10 | tarzeau | yos87: without KDE? |
| 18:38.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | My config is customized for my system, my network, everything. |
| 18:38.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: There's a reason it's called KTorrent. :P |
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| 18:38.42 | yos87 | tarzeau: Gnome |
| 18:38.44 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: could've been a kernel implemetnation of torrent, no? |
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| 18:38.52 | tarzeau | yos87: oh, please if possible without gnome |
| 18:39.00 | rahul | heh |
| 18:39.07 | tarzeau | yos87: dpkg -l | grep qt | grep kde | grep gnome | grep gtk return nothing here |
| 18:39.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: If you don't want it, you can try Azureus. It's java, so it's slow, resource-hungry and probably needs a proprietary VM |
| 18:39.10 | amphi | tarzeau: rtorrent is pleasant I find |
| 18:39.10 | rahul | don't ask me, silly tarzeau :P |
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| 18:39.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: But KTorrent and Azureus are the only decent clients for GNU/Linux |
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| 18:39.44 | rahul | tarzeau: I would hope you have no packages that are -qt-kde-gnome-gtk ;) |
| 18:39.45 | rsk | and rtorrent :) |
| 18:39.47 | yos87 | tarzeau: there is without gnome, use amule |
| 18:39.49 | Linux50 | i think i might have figured out why i cant install any packages. |
| 18:39.49 | yos87 | I have to go now |
| 18:39.51 | nkuttler | tarzeau: rtorrent |
| 18:39.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | rsk: Not really. :P |
| 18:39.57 | capiira | hmm anyone here can help me to setup an snd-usb-audio to work with alsa? i already blacklisted it to stop loading as OSS |
| 18:40.00 | Din | hi, does anyone have any idea why i get while webalizing this error Warning: Skipping oversized log record, and what can i do? |
| 18:40.08 | tarzeau | rahul: i have dillo, but i will get rid of it (it's gtk 1.x) |
| 18:40.09 | Linux50 | i deleted the folder /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:40.17 | Linux50 | i take it, thats a big "no no" |
| 18:40.19 | Linux50 | ? |
| 18:40.21 | tarzeau | rahul: yeah no qt/kde/gnome/gtk packages! and almost 100 packages |
| 18:40.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | rsk: Some of us like GUI clients if we use a GUI environment |
| 18:40.37 | tarzeau | rahul: no python, perl, ruby either |
| 18:40.38 | rsk | its nice to have it in a screen. |
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| 18:41.21 | rahul | no dpkg?! |
| 18:41.49 | tarzeau | rahul: if only it supported lzma compressed .debs |
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| 18:42.10 | rahul | er, dpkg doesn't use perl for decompression. |
| 18:42.18 | rahul | at least I hope not.... |
| 18:42.22 | abrotman | Linux50: put the folder back |
| 18:42.27 | tarzeau | well debian needs perl- i don't |
| 18:42.35 | abrotman | Linux50: deleting the contents is fine .. leave the folder there .. (or use apt-get clean) |
| 18:43.08 | Linux50 | abrotman: i messed up |
| 18:43.19 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 18:43.20 | Linux50 | can you give me the directory structure or /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:43.37 | kspath | attention #perl we have a non-believer in section #debian named tarzeau capture and release into re-education camp ASAP |
| 18:43.40 | abrotman | there isn't any really .. maybe a partial/ subdirectory |
| 18:43.52 | Linux50 | what about a lock file |
| 18:43.53 | Linux50 | ? |
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| 18:46.19 | Din | hi, does anyone have any idea why i get while webalizing this error Warning: Skipping oversized log record, and what can i do? |
| 18:46.29 | kspath | abrotman, no one seems to enjoy my terrible sense of humour |
| 18:46.31 | tarzeau | Din: remove that line |
| 18:46.36 | tarzeau | Din: the line is too long, in the log file |
| 18:46.42 | tarzeau | Din: it's just ignoring those lines |
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| 18:47.03 | tarzeau | kspath: :) |
| 18:47.08 | abrotman | kspath: tarzeau doesn't have one :) |
| 18:47.09 | Din | hm but i want to be all analized |
| 18:47.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: I DO |
| 18:47.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: ask Katja |
| 18:47.24 | abrotman | Din: you want it what ? |
| 18:47.24 | Din | now this way i get analize only for last 3 days |
| 18:47.29 | abrotman | analyze |
| 18:47.33 | Din | yes |
| 18:47.50 | Din | i want whole report of month from webalizer |
| 18:48.06 | abrotman | check the conf file .. docs on webalizer are scarce IIRC |
| 18:48.51 | tarzeau | is xorg or firefox/iceweasel leaking? |
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| 18:50.21 | protocol2 | how do I check which video card driver Im using and if 3d accelreation is enabled? |
| 18:50.31 | protocol2 | is there a command? |
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| 18:51.26 | tarzeau | protocol2: yes |
| 18:51.30 | tarzeau | protocol2: lspci | grep VGA |
| 18:51.35 | tarzeau | first update-pciids though |
| 18:51.38 | protocol2 | or should I say video card driver version |
| 18:51.48 | tarzeau | then if you use the nvidia or fglrx driver , yes you do, otherwise no you don't |
| 18:51.57 | tarzeau | try by installing some great 3d game like brutalchess |
| 18:52.05 | threat2 | tarzeau: with ldap, what is the command to regenereate indexes? |
| 18:52.17 | tarzeau | threat2: i hate ldap - i'm a netinfo believer |
| 18:52.24 | tarzeau | ldap doesn't exist. ldap is dead |
| 18:52.28 | threat2 | netinfo? |
| 18:52.32 | tarzeau | NetInfo, yeah |
| 18:52.35 | threat2 | is that a mac thing? |
| 18:52.40 | tarzeau | no, it's a NeXT thing |
| 18:52.42 | threat2 | or solaris? |
| 18:52.44 | tarzeau | mac just bought it |
| 18:52.45 | threat2 | oh |
| 18:52.46 | protocol2 | do you know how I can install glxgears? |
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| 18:52.47 | tarzeau | solaris is crap |
| 18:53.05 | threat2 | tarzeau: yes, debian is uber |
| 18:53.09 | tarzeau | protocol2: yes, mesa-utils |
| 18:53.15 | tarzeau | threat2: not really |
| 18:53.18 | threat2 | :) |
| 18:53.20 | tarzeau | threat2: they still have gnome and kde |
| 18:53.20 | protocol2 | ok thanks |
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| 18:53.27 | tarzeau | threat2: but one day maybe |
| 18:53.27 | protocol2 | going to try some testing |
| 18:53.38 | threat2 | tarzeau: but you don't have to install those packages |
| 18:53.45 | tarzeau | threat2: luckily |
| 18:53.55 | threat2 | tarzeau: they still have emacs in the repository too :P |
| 18:53.58 | tarzeau | threat2: let's see what will happen with Lenny |
| 18:54.01 | nvz | I want to make a script that runs a loop and takes two arguments from a list each time.. normally I would list the arguments on a file and have it parse throught that file in a loop, but i think there might be a way to do this using an array or something |
| 18:54.10 | tarzeau | threat2: they threw out Emacs.app |
| 18:54.12 | nvz | bash shell script that is |
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| 18:54.20 | tarzeau | threat2: but it's going into GNU Emacs (22, or 23) |
| 18:54.21 | Esaj__ | how do I install a new ttf font? |
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| 18:54.29 | tarzeau | Esaj__: throw at /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 18:54.40 | threat2 | tarzeau: :S:S:S |
| 18:54.46 | Esaj__ | tarzeau: cheers |
| 18:54.54 | valdyn | nvz: what would be the point of storing the values in an array first in bash? |
| 18:54.58 | threat2 | Esaj__: didn't you ask that question the other day? |
| 18:55.09 | tarzeau | fun, but they are missing the four control buttons of the input device http://www.keshi.org/blog/2006/12/debian_installer_for_ps3.html |
| 18:55.29 | threat2 | haha |
| 18:55.38 | Esaj__ | threat2: um, no. |
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| 18:56.04 | threat2 | Esaj__: ok, I have just heard that question being asked alot lately |
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| 18:56.14 | threat2 | on here and ##linux |
| 18:56.29 | valdyn | Esaj__: ~/.fonts, or maybe /usr/local/share/fonts if this isnt debian packages |
| 18:56.32 | nvz | valdyn: I dunno.. I guess I will just use the list file method.. I want to run this command once for each entry which will require two unique arguments foo and bar each time |
| 18:56.48 | threat2 | nvz: why? |
| 18:56.48 | tarzeau | valdyn: and ~/Fonts if it's GNUstep |
| 18:57.18 | threat2 | so, how is the hurd comming along? |
| 18:57.33 | tarzeau | The Hurd is great! #hurd |
| 18:57.41 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, when i do echo standby > /sys/power/state it doesnt work |
| 18:57.48 | capiira | hmm where can i manually add modules? Becuase the modules.conf is auto generated |
| 18:57.57 | abrotman | hurd is just as dead as gnustep :) |
| 18:57.57 | tarzeau | threat2: btw did you follow debian gnu/kfreebsd #gnu-kbsd ? |
| 18:58.06 | nvz | threat2: because I want to manipulate a lot of random data uniformly. I will pass the name and location of the data each time |
| 18:58.11 | dvs | capiira: /etc/modules |
| 18:58.19 | capiira | oh thx |
| 18:59.04 | HardDisk_WP | are there any video converters AVI/WMV => MOV? |
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| 18:59.16 | abrotman | mencode |
| 18:59.23 | abrotman | if it even does that |
| 19:00.06 | threat2 | tarzeau: no |
| 19:00.17 | tarzeau | HardDisk_WP: he means mencoder |
| 19:00.19 | rahul | creating a QT movie on linux? |
| 19:00.27 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, yea |
| 19:00.30 | rahul | eew |
| 19:00.33 | tarzeau | MOV, AVI, WMV are all container formats |
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| 19:00.44 | tarzeau | so you'll need to tell what exactly you want |
| 19:00.50 | HardDisk_WP | iPod doesnt support any other than MOV |
| 19:00.50 | tarzeau | you're like saying i want a picture |
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| 19:01.05 | tarzeau | but a picture of what? me? monica belluci? or abrotman ? |
| 19:01.06 | lindenle|home | Hi I use amarok in gnome and need to increase the menu font sizes. Can anyone tell me where i can set these? |
| 19:01.08 | rahul | true, you can use a variety of codecs |
| 19:01.12 | HardDisk_WP | tarzeau, no. i have a avi/divx encoded movie. i want this encoded in .mov so iPod can play it |
| 19:01.12 | rahul | tarzeau: hah |
| 19:01.14 | tarzeau | i want a picture in the tiff format |
| 19:01.25 | rahul | I want JPEG2000 |
| 19:01.43 | tarzeau | rahul: i want monica belluci |
| 19:01.45 | threat2 | iPod's :S, fscking anti-piracy stuff |
| 19:01.47 | abrotman | can't we all just use BMP .. it's the most efficient |
| 19:01.52 | rahul | heh |
| 19:02.00 | dvs | please. |
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| 19:02.20 | HardDisk_WP | threat2, you dont need itunes |
| 19:02.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: you can have BORAT-VS-GOATSE.CX.BMP |
| 19:02.29 | threat2 | BMP is great |
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| 19:02.37 | threat2 | tarzeau: :S |
| 19:02.43 | tarzeau | threat2: only windows ICO is worse than BMP |
| 19:02.52 | nkuttler | HardDisk_WP: mencoder |
| 19:02.59 | threat2 | heh |
| 19:03.06 | threat2 | ICO is great |
| 19:03.09 | plutonas_ | borat rules... |
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| 19:03.24 | threat2 | I have seen the first 5min of borat |
| 19:03.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: see how you've degraded the channel ... |
| 19:03.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: decgraded? it's great fun again |
| 19:04.01 | threat2 | When the chicken flies around in the train |
| 19:04.09 | tarzeau | threat2: hehe yeah that was fun |
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| 19:04.26 | pickcoder | meh |
| 19:04.47 | threat2 | :) |
| 19:06.01 | tarzeau | threat2: you should watchthe rest |
| 19:06.04 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:06.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:06.17 | pickcoder | Interactive Toy won't answer today |
| 19:06.18 | tarzeau | threat2: it's a great love story! borat falls in love with pamela anderson |
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| 19:06.26 | threat2 | tarzeau: yay |
| 19:06.30 | tarzeau | threat2: he travel through whole america to meet her |
| 19:07.07 | threat2 | tarzeau: does his wife snap his penis off? |
| 19:07.17 | tarzeau | threat2: no, she dies, and he parties |
| 19:07.28 | threat2 | yay |
| 19:07.31 | threat2 | happy ending |
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| 19:07.44 | tarzeau | threat2: no, it's pretty sad, pam doesn't want to marry borat |
| 19:07.45 | threat2 | although you just ruined it for me now |
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| 19:08.06 | nvz | how do I get seq to generate leading zeros so that the number always contains a certain ammount of digits? |
| 19:08.25 | tarzeau | nvz: use -f ? |
| 19:08.26 | threat2 | tarzeau: oh well, he always has his step mum and sister to fall back on |
| 19:08.34 | abrotman | nvz: man seq .. it's in there |
| 19:09.10 | nvz | abrotman: surely you dont expect me to read the manual :P heh |
| 19:09.10 | tarzeau | nvz: seq --format=%02.0f 69 |
| 19:09.21 | nvz | hmm I have no idea what that says |
| 19:09.28 | abrotman | how about -w like a sane person |
| 19:09.34 | nvz | heh |
| 19:09.36 | nvz | seriously |
| 19:09.38 | abrotman | notice .. tarzeau gives the wacky answer ... |
| 19:09.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: man i do C |
| 19:09.54 | abrotman | and you can't read either? |
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| 19:10.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: the -f comes before the -w |
| 19:10.12 | nvz | the script could be passed 1 or 100 and I want it to be read as 001 and 100 for example |
| 19:10.27 | tarzeau | nvz: then it's %3.0f |
| 19:10.45 | tarzeau | 03 even |
| 19:11.11 | nvz | I would confuse myself later if I didnt leave the leading zeros |
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| 19:19.24 | tarzeau | is there anyone using greek fonts or icelandic texts? |
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| 19:19.37 | tarzeau | i need someone to file an rc bug on a font to piss off debian people |
| 19:19.56 | abrotman | isn't that nice |
| 19:20.07 | dvs | where's gravity? |
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| 19:20.37 | nvz | dvs: its holding you down |
| 19:20.48 | dvs | ... |
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| 19:20.57 | rahul | damn the man! |
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| 19:21.21 | abrotman | tuv: which bug was yours ? |
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| 19:22.07 | Cyis | hmm... maybe I should re-tool my packages so they blow up when ran by tarzeau because it would be fun |
| 19:22.34 | tarzeau | Cyis: which packages do you do? do i think i use any of you? |
| 19:22.57 | kspath | Cyis, just make sure they blow up when run in his GUI environs |
| 19:23.05 | nvz | dont you just hate when you are taking precautions against something then do it anyways |
| 19:23.20 | tarzeau | kspath, Cyis i use none of his packages |
| 19:23.41 | abrotman | tarzeau: do a /lastlog on tuv ... get that bug number :) |
| 19:23.56 | tarzeau | abrotman: no bug number available |
| 19:24.06 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 19:24.15 | tarzeau | backlog too small or he didn't mention it |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | yes he did |
| 19:24.46 | Cyis | tarzeau: don't forget the ones that I'm not listed as the "Maintainer" but have "Uploader" rights to |
| 19:24.59 | tarzeau | Cyis: what would the trigger be? |
| 19:25.12 | Cyis | I don't know... what would piss you off? |
| 19:25.15 | tarzeau | Cyis: i remember a case where this has happened, btw |
| 19:25.38 | tarzeau | Cyis: i'm pissed off by the freeze already, that i can't get packages into etch anymore that i feel should go over |
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| 19:25.52 | zinx | Cyis: i think you'd lose maintainer and uploader rights if you followed that path :D |
| 19:25.55 | tarzeau | Cyis: it's not worth discussing, four people are pissed off already |
| 19:26.15 | tarzeau | zinx: not if he pays an upstream and is not so careful |
| 19:26.21 | tarzeau | zinx: this has happened already once btw |
| 19:26.52 | Cyis | zinx: probably... also people wouldn't trust my packages... not that I would do it... was in response to his comment about filing a RC bug just to "piss off debian people" |
| 19:27.07 | zinx | heh |
| 19:27.08 | tarzeau | Cyis: it's not to pissof people by the rc bug |
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| 19:27.27 | tarzeau | Cyis: it's to piss them off so there is a BUREACRACY bullshit reason to get a package from sid to testing |
| 19:27.47 | tarzeau | Cyis: i think you didn't get the whole thing, anyways, you don't even mention what i REALLY asked for |
| 19:27.52 | zinx | well that's how you do it |
| 19:28.01 | tarzeau | Cyis: i didn't ask for an RC bug but for someone that... check your backlog |
| 19:28.06 | zinx | and then watch the maintainer set the priority to high so it gets put in etch |
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| 19:28.43 | Cyis | zinx: that's what I did for the upload of libgcgi I prepared this afternoon... I just have to sign it when I get home and upload it |
| 19:29.30 | scub | Hello. I have a problem with screen and i am totally lost... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10908 - Anyone have an idea what could be the matter with it? |
| 19:29.31 | nvz | ok I got one more silly scripting question.. is there some crazy regexp I can use with some command that will match the first number in a string and nothing else.. i.e " Foo 212 [Bar] 114 Foobar 1 of 4 " mixed string of chars it would just match the 212? |
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| 19:29.42 | Cyis | although I don't think it'll help with fwbuilder/libfwbuilder as it's a new release completely not just a bug fix |
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| 19:30.02 | nvz | ignores all but digits and captures the first set of digits treating any non-digit as a delimiter |
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| 19:31.14 | jelly-home | Will etch support hibernation? |
| 19:31.22 | abrotman | sarge does |
| 19:31.24 | Cyis | also gotta figure out if the PHP Group finally got off their collective asses and updated the license the PEAR modules are under so I can correct and re-upload the PEAR modules I've packaged or just decide to re-package them under non-free\ |
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| 19:32.02 | abrotman | jelly-home: do you have a good backscroll ? |
| 19:32.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: nope, just restarted |
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| 19:33.21 | dreamer | can anyone tell me how to login to phpmyadmin? I'm kinda lost here |
| 19:33.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: swsusp works most of the time here, but I'm having a bit of a trouble with uswsusp |
| 19:33.37 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:33.47 | abrotman | dreamer: with your mysql credentials |
| 19:34.10 | nvz | man perl is so powerful if you can only understand it :P |
| 19:34.25 | rahul | nvz: no more powerful than any other language |
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| 19:34.42 | dreamer | abrotman: how do I know what those credentials are? |
| 19:34.44 | nvz | rahul: yeah well its easy to do pattern scanning |
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| 19:34.59 | rahul | nvz: easy for small values of "pattern" |
| 19:35.08 | rahul | nvz: just TRY to scan for an email address |
| 19:35.27 | capiira | :/ anyone have an idea how to force my usb sound card to use alsa? |
| 19:35.35 | rahul | nvz: it'll take you months to figure out the regex, and that's once you've already seen it :) |
| 19:36.01 | rahul | nvz: hell, not even the perl libs use regex for that. they use a recursive-descent parser |
| 19:36.01 | cahoot | capiira: snd-usb-audio |
| 19:36.05 | jelly-home | rahul: that's why there are libraries of ready-made regexpes out there. |
| 19:36.09 | capiira | i tried to blacklist it in hotplug |
| 19:36.22 | dvs | capiira: for etch? |
| 19:36.22 | rahul | nvz: that makes it about as powerful as, say, BASIC for such a task :) |
| 19:36.26 | capiira | yep |
| 19:36.30 | capiira | etch testing |
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| 19:36.36 | nvz | rahul: heh.. I am having a hell of a time comming up with a regex to match digits. grep -o [0-9] breaks up numbers like 200 into 2\n0\n0\n I want to match whole numbers and not any other chars |
| 19:37.09 | jelly-home | nvz: uhh, do you want numbers of digits? |
| 19:37.09 | dvs | capiira: why did you try and blacklist the snd-usb-audio if you want to use ALSA? |
| 19:37.25 | rahul | nvz: um, [0-9]* |
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| 19:37.27 | capiira | saw a tut on google |
| 19:37.38 | capiira | http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/installkernelandsound.html#SECTION00053300000000000000 |
| 19:37.41 | capiira | that one |
| 19:37.48 | nvz | jelly-home: I want to extract the first full number from a string.. if I can just extract the numbers I can figure out teh rest I am sure.. if I pass " alks j o2 39 04 kj a; 04 |
| 19:38.06 | nvz | jelly-home: I want just 2 39 04 and 04, well really I want just 2 |
| 19:38.07 | rahul | nvz: perl and grep are the same with that one |
| 19:38.34 | jelly-home | nvz: grep -Eo '\b[0-9]+\b' |
| 19:38.38 | nvz | jelly-home: I want the numbers matched whole not each digit. I want it to use all non-digits as delimiters :P |
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| 19:38.45 | capiira | my prob is that i cant let different apps use output sound at same time |
| 19:39.07 | jelly-home | hmm, no, that's not it |
| 19:39.09 | nvz | jelly-home: thats the stuff right there :P |
| 19:39.26 | nvz | jelly-home: matches all numbers, not just the first one.. but its still better than what I got |
| 19:39.28 | dvs | capiira: that's usually because the app is not using ALSA |
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| 19:39.38 | capiira | nah |
| 19:39.46 | capiira | the onboard card works |
| 19:40.08 | capiira | just the usb card dont |
| 19:40.10 | cahoot | is it skype making trouble or what? |
| 19:40.18 | jelly-home | nvz: are you hunting for telephone numbers? |
| 19:40.35 | nvz | jelly-home: heh, no I already have a script for that |
| 19:40.40 | capiira | nah i have a digital sound system that depends of that usb card |
| 19:40.45 | nvz | jelly-home: but its very similar to my old telephone script |
| 19:41.19 | capiira | the onboard "mainboard card" works fine |
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| 19:42.20 | capiira | the onboard is connected to earphones and the usb one to speakers |
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| 19:44.24 | capiira | with the mainboard card i can run evething together and just plays fine (xmms,flash(website),movieplayer but with the usbcard only one soundapp work |
| 19:44.35 | capiira | no idea ? |
| 19:45.15 | jelly-home | nvz: probably a simple grep -Eo '[0-9]+' would work |
| 19:45.27 | amphi | Halitherses: try mem |
| 19:45.41 | cahoot | capiira: pure alsa i best tested with aplay - run 2 instances of aplay through the usb - error ? |
| 19:45.43 | amphi | Halitherses: sorry, ETAB |
| 19:45.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you also have a yahoo.com page? |
| 19:45.55 | jelly-home | nvz: the '\b[0-9]+\b' thing wouldn't match the 2 in "o2" |
| 19:46.05 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: try echoing 'mem' - often only one or the other will work |
| 19:46.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: if you want, you can be my yahoo friend |
| 19:46.22 | nvz | jelly-home: right.. well seems like the numbers will always be padded with spaces anyhow |
| 19:46.33 | capiira | let me try |
| 19:46.47 | capiira | that aplayer just works if alsa is running ont aht device? |
| 19:47.10 | cahoot | correct |
| 19:47.11 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, ok |
| 19:47.13 | nvz | jelly-home: the + thing is what I couldnt figure out.. I was using * and ? and other things and couldnt even remember where to put the thing once I figured out what the correct operator was |
| 19:47.21 | capiira | ok will try |
| 19:47.31 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, btw, do you knwo some sort of avi=>mov video converter? |
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| 19:48.12 | nkuttler | HardDisk_WP: google mencoder ipod |
| 19:48.25 | jelly-home | nvz: + is an "extended regexp syntax" thing, meaning "1 or more of the previous", you can replace it with basic regexp like '[0-9][0-9]*' |
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| 19:51.21 | HardDisk_WP | nkuttler, thx |
| 19:51.55 | jelly-home | nvz: you might also try adding the space inside [] then tr -d it out afterwards |
| 19:52.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: i have a yahoo account that i use for mail .. that's about it |
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| 19:53.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: you don't use the yahoo blog thingy? |
| 19:53.46 | abrotman | no |
| 19:54.21 | HardDisk_WP | nkuttler, it doesnt know xvid code.. any way to install it? |
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| 19:55.39 | ice-t | hi |
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| 19:55.53 | dvs | ice-t: Love you in Law and Order: SUV. ;-) |
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| 19:56.18 | dvs | oops! |
| 19:56.21 | ice-t | SUV? |
| 19:56.24 | dvs | *SVU |
| 19:56.35 | ice-t | oO?? |
| 19:56.48 | protocol1 | is there a reason after I do this procedure "http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/101/" my X cant start properly? but after I go through the setup it works? |
| 19:56.53 | dvs | ice-t: Special Victims Unit |
| 19:57.17 | protocol1 | I dont do the debian way |
| 19:57.22 | protocol1 | I do the first part |
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| 19:57.38 | ice-t | do i have to figure this out? |
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| 19:58.10 | mc__ | ice-t: he's talking about tv i think,dont bother |
| 19:58.14 | dvs | ice-t: nevermind. I guess you don't watch that show |
| 19:58.32 | ice-t | hmm, k |
| 19:58.37 | ice-t | hi mc__ :) |
| 19:58.47 | nvz | jelly-home: well I am fine with the numbers thing now.. but I am having problems with spaces.. I am trying sed -e s/\ +/\n/g but thats either not valid or not what I am looking for.. I am trying to delimit on spaces but I dont just want to tr " " "\n" because if there is 50 spaces I dont want 50 blank lines I could use that then sort -u or something but I know there should be a regex for that too :P |
| 19:58.47 | protocol1 | abrotman, do you think you could help me? |
| 19:58.50 | ice-t | <-- wathing german tv^^ |
| 19:59.14 | capiira | ok aplay played the wav on my usb card, now i wonder why i cant use different apps to output sound at same time |
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| 19:59.40 | jelly-home | nvz: sed doesn't know about +, do the AA* thing instead of A+ |
| 19:59.43 | mc__ | capiira: cause you dont have a sound server running |
| 20:00.00 | capiira | but works fine on the onboard card |
| 20:00.11 | HardDisk_WP | what software do I need to get my TV card working?? |
| 20:00.11 | mc__ | capiira: search the web for jack and alsa dsnoop |
| 20:00.29 | capiira | i read that neer builds of also dont need that |
| 20:00.32 | capiira | newer |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | protocol1: ? |
| 20:00.42 | mc__ | capiira: maybe the hardware card supports hw-mixing |
| 20:00.46 | nvz | jelly-home: o.O sed -e s/\ \ */\n/g heh thats not it either :P I want to translate spaces to newlines but I dont want any blank newlines |
| 20:01.01 | mc__ | capiira: got 2 go ,sorr |
| 20:01.05 | protocol1 | can you read the line above |
| 20:01.12 | protocol1 | lines* |
| 20:01.18 | capiira | and then it would not work on my onboard sound card |
| 20:01.20 | capiira | ok :/ |
| 20:01.27 | protocol1 | I have a few links up there |
| 20:01.41 | jelly-home | nvz: so delete empty lines with sed too. /^$/d |
| 20:01.45 | abrotman | protocol1: check the X log for starters |
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| 20:02.02 | protocol1 | hwo do I do that? |
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| 20:02.16 | jelly-home | nvz: single quotes are good for health... sed -e 's/ */\n/g; /^$/d' |
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| 20:02.51 | nvz | jelly-home: yeah that works I guess. I wanted to translate any number of spaces to a new line.. not each one :P |
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| 20:03.25 | nvz | jelly-home: and tr wont understand + either so I guess I will have to use sed |
| 20:03.29 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: mencoder? |
| 20:03.38 | capiira | :/ shit thats annoying now |
| 20:03.51 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: damn you i'm installing ktorrent |
| 20:04.58 | valdyn | capiira: your onboard soundcard probably has hardware support for this |
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| 20:05.18 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, for TV watching?! |
| 20:05.36 | valdyn | capiira: dmix is easy enough to setup though |
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| 20:05.46 | Thms | what is the kernel of etch when I install it ? |
| 20:05.53 | dvs | Thms: 2.6.18 |
| 20:06.02 | capiira | you know a good tutorial or something? |
| 20:06.24 | nvz | jelly-home: wtf is the sed equiv of doing tr " " "\n" anyhow? |
| 20:06.32 | Thms | dvs: thanks |
| 20:06.39 | dvs | Thms: no problem |
| 20:06.51 | jelly-home | nvz: s/\ /\n/g ? |
| 20:07.03 | nvz | jelly-home: thats what I thought but it doesnt seem to be doing the same thing |
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| 20:07.45 | nvz | jelly-home: ahh, single quotes :P |
| 20:08.15 | capiira | hmmmmmm NOTE: For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing. |
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| 20:08.30 | jelly-home | nvz: told ya, single quotes are good for your health ;-) |
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| 20:09.04 | capiira | maybe its setuped wrong on debian etch so that just one card works |
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| 20:09.20 | valdyn | nvz: sed "s/\ */\n/g" |
| 20:09.32 | nvz | so sed -e 's/\ /\n/g' | sed -e '/^$/d' works.. but if I do sed -e 's/\ /\n/g; /^$/d' the second part gets ignored it seems |
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| 20:09.38 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: huh? |
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| 20:10.12 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: I don't know much about mov - isn't it just a container like avi? |
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| 20:10.34 | nvz | how to I properly chain together a bunch of sed expressions? |
| 20:10.38 | jelly-home | nvz: replace with '/^\s*$/d' I guess |
| 20:10.42 | [Outcast] | Romeo = spammer, ban if you can , gline would be better |
| 20:11.10 | phaedrus44 | ok...i have narrowed it down to this...when i install a template or component using admin backend of joomla it sets the perms so i cant change them through ftp....any fix for that? |
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| 20:11.19 | phaedrus44 | damn..wrong forum again |
| 20:11.25 | jelly-home | nvz: when you did a 's/ /\n/', the spaces got replaced by \n, but it's still the same buffer... and it's not empty. |
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| 20:11.47 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, no, no codec. i have a PCI television card in my PC...how do I get it running? |
| 20:11.48 | jelly-home | nvz: so /^$/d wouldn't catch it. |
| 20:11.59 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: no idea ;) |
| 20:12.01 | streuner | [Outcast]: !ops foo is a spammer, can you help? |
| 20:12.04 | nvz | jelly-home: O.O so if I chain sed commands they all act on the same data without sharing changes with each other? |
| 20:12.16 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: what type of TV card? |
| 20:12.27 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: I never got round to trying to get tvout working on this laptop |
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| 20:13.20 | jelly-home | nvz: what? no. but the first sed will display the one line containing eg "\n\n" as two blank lines. the second sed will catch that as two separate lines |
| 20:13.30 | HardDisk_WP | dvs, a philips SAA7134 chipset card from medion/tevion |
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| 20:14.22 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: have you tried "modprobe saa7134"? |
| 20:14.25 | nvz | jelly-home: right now I am doing 4 sed commands. removing two words I dont want "Foo" and "Bar" then translating spaces to newlines, then removeing blank lines with sed -e s/Foo//g | sed -e s/Bar//g | sed -e 's/\ /\n/g' | sed -e '/$^/d' and I was trying to eliminate the pipes and put ; inbetween single qoutes around the whole thing.. and it doesnt work that way :P |
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| 20:14.41 | HardDisk_WP | dvs, no, because i dont even know which software i have to intstall |
| 20:14.44 | dvs | !find saa7134 etch |
| 20:14.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'saa7134' (3 of 19): (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7/include/config/video/saa7134.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686/include/config/video/saa7134.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-486/include/config/video/saa7134.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-486. |
| 20:15.02 | dvs | HardDisk_WP: Are you using etch? |
| 20:15.12 | scub | Hello. I have a problem with screen and i am totally lost... http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10908 - Anyone have an idea what could be the matter with it? |
| 20:15.36 | nvz | jelly-home: it works now, I was just not understanding why it didnt work without the pipes in there and using just one invocation of sed |
| 20:16.02 | jelly-home | nvz: sed 's/Foo//g; s/Bar//g; s/\ /\ng' should all work concatenated like this |
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| 20:16.53 | nvz | jelly-home: sed: -e expression #1, char 28: unterminated `s' command.. looks like you left out a / :) |
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| 20:17.03 | jelly-home | nvz: I |
| 20:17.05 | jelly-home | yup |
| 20:17.36 | nvz | jelly-home: with sed 's/Foo//g; s/Bar//g; s/\ /\n/g' I still have blank lines |
| 20:17.48 | nvz | jelly-home: and Foo and Bar |
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| 20:18.00 | jelly-home | nvz: hm, shouldn't happen. |
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| 20:18.25 | jelly-home | nvz: what are you _really_ trying to match as Foo? |
| 20:18.39 | nvz | jelly-home: another 3 letter word |
| 20:18.49 | nvz | jelly-home: the word new |
| 20:18.50 | jelly-home | nvz: alphanumerics only? |
| 20:18.58 | wakejagr | scub: check out what $TERM is set to inside screen. i had irssi fail on me on a new installation because $TERM was screen.linux and there was no terminfo for screen.linux. |
| 20:19.02 | nvz | jelly-home: the foo and bar are 3 and 4 letter words alpha only |
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| 20:20.02 | wakejagr | scub: also, try starting screen, then running any of the commands that are failing. you may get an error message that helps |
| 20:20.17 | jelly-home | nvz: if you're getting them from a shell var, that won't work inside single quotes. |
| 20:20.40 | scub | wakejagr: Did so. No error message, i just get the "[screen hs terminated]" message. |
| 20:20.50 | nvz | jelly-home: sample data would be like " Foo Bar Foo Bar Turkey Foo Stuffing Bar\n Mashed Potato Foo Bar" and you should have a list of Turkey, Stuffing, Mashed, Potato on seperate lines |
| 20:21.01 | nvz | jelly-home: na I am getting it from a pipe |
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| 20:21.34 | wakejagr | scub: if you run "screen -S somename" and then run irssi at the prompt, screen exits? |
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| 20:22.23 | scub | hold on |
| 20:22.25 | nvz | jelly-home: well put more spaces in there cause there are larger space sections hence the blank lines comming out |
| 20:23.04 | nvz | jelly-home: its strictly alpha and space chars, I just want all the words except Foo and Bar on seperate lines without any spaces |
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| 20:24.32 | xingu | nvz: don't think you can use escapes in a replace term |
| 20:24.46 | xingu | nvz: you probably need sed ... | tr ' ' '\n' |
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| 20:25.52 | jelly-home | nvz: sed 's/Foo//g; s/Bar//g; s/ */ /g; s/ /\n/g' | sed '/^$/d' seems to do it here |
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| 20:26.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: You're welcome. :) |
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| 20:26.40 | scub | wakejagr: $TERM is "screen" |
| 20:27.10 | nvz | jelly-home: that leaves foo and bar still, but puts each token on a new line and removes blank lines |
| 20:27.31 | nvz | jelly-home: I got a working method with 4 sed calls, but I just dont understand why I cant combine them :P |
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| 20:27.43 | xingu | nvz: sed -e 's/(Foo|Bar)//g; s/ /\n/g; /^$/ d;' |
| 20:27.50 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: can you send me your configs to gurkan@linuks.mine.nu i meant the torrent search thingies? |
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| 20:28.02 | nvz | jelly-home: doh :P |
| 20:28.04 | nvz | hold on |
| 20:28.06 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i can not find single mp3 files, only whole albums, is that possible? |
| 20:28.16 | nvz | I forgot my data doesnt have foo and bar to begin with |
| 20:28.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Not with BitTorrent |
| 20:28.23 | xingu | nvz: works here too. :) |
| 20:28.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: However, you can choose which files to download with KTorrent |
| 20:28.28 | jelly-home | xingu: /^$/d won't work in the same sed... ;-) |
| 20:28.31 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i tried KTorrent |
| 20:28.42 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe i searched the wrong places |
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| 20:28.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Enable the search plugin |
| 20:28.59 | wakejagr | scub: that seems right. do any of the programs give you a specific error message if you run them at the prompt inside screen? |
| 20:29.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Then add a new search engine in the search page |
| 20:29.21 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: where do i enable the search plugin? |
| 20:29.32 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i have ktorrent 2.3. |
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| 20:29.35 | tarzeau | 2.0.3 |
| 20:29.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Erm... plugins? |
| 20:29.37 | nvz | jelly-home: yeah that last one worked I just forgot to change foo and bar |
| 20:29.46 | jelly-home | nvz: :-F |
| 20:29.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Get 2.1 beta |
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| 20:29.58 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: it's loaded... |
| 20:30.08 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i need to compile it myself? |
| 20:30.16 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: it's in experimental? |
| 20:30.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: No idea. I compiled. |
| 20:30.25 | scub | wakejagr: no, thats what makes me so mad. the one programm i use it with usually gives good error logs if if dies. but with screen terminating, it says absolutely nothing. |
| 20:30.34 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: UNF |
| 20:30.49 | scub | and as said, it will only terminate with some programs.. with others such as vim it will work absolutely fine. |
| 20:30.59 | nvz | xingu: that doesnt do anything :P leaves foo and bar, and the blank lines :P |
| 20:31.04 | xingu | pah |
| 20:31.05 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: DAMN YOU NOW I compile KDE software |
| 20:31.11 | tarzeau | i can not believe it, abrotman |
| 20:31.29 | xingu | nvz: by "work" I mean "doesn't result in sytax error" of course |
| 20:31.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I'm saving your soul |
| 20:31.36 | nvz | xingu: heh |
| 20:31.37 | edmundo_v | can someone answer if its normal the need to change the mode of libnss_ldap.conf to be readable by anyone in debian when configuring nss with ldap? |
| 20:31.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | From GTK hell |
| 20:31.47 | nvz | xingu: its got be baffled. I am used to just using a crapload of pipes.. I was trying to learn how to do it all on one call to sed |
| 20:32.16 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i don't have any gtk software anyways :) |
| 20:32.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: You don't use KDE, you don't use GTK..what are you using? |
| 20:32.39 | pickcoder | edmundo_v: only root should change configs |
| 20:32.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | TKinter? |
| 20:32.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P |
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| 20:33.13 | edmundo_v | pickcoder, I am asking if its normal to give read permissions to anyone |
| 20:33.28 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: GNUstep/wmaker, looks like this: http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/emacs.app.png |
| 20:33.29 | edmundo_v | or it gives a "I have no name" in shell |
| 20:33.44 | pickcoder | edmundo_v: I don't see why you're need to |
| 20:33.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Wow! Nice Win3.11 imitation! |
| 20:34.04 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: that's NeXTSTEP imitation |
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| 20:34.10 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: which microsoft tried to copy |
| 20:34.19 | tarzeau | win 3.11 didn't have the 3d widgets yet |
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| 20:34.59 | pickcoder | WFW |
| 20:35.01 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:35.14 | edmundo_v | pickcoder, I only havent found an explanation to do or not, without it, normal users appears in the shell with a "i have no name" in their names, with nscd it works without that change too |
| 20:35.20 | pickcoder | it had the worst net support |
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| 20:35.34 | wakejagr | scub: just to make sure i understand. you run "screen" at a prompt (with no options). you get another prompt (inside screen). when you run a command at that prompt, screen terminates? |
| 20:35.39 | tarzeau | pickcoder, Dark_Apostrophe http://www.valt.helsinki.fi/atk/basic99/win311.jpg |
| 20:35.46 | tarzeau | pickcoder: it was MS DOS underneath after all |
| 20:36.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: AAAAAA! My eyes! My eyes are burning! |
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| 20:36.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Ah, a CD with KDE. Thanks. :) |
| 20:36.54 | pickcoder | edmundo_v: hmm.. how is your nsswitch setup? |
| 20:38.05 | edmundo_v | pickcoder, the passwd, group and shadow entries have a "ldap compat" content |
| 20:38.27 | pickcoder | put compat first to check local files before querying ldap |
| 20:39.07 | pickcoder | hm |
| 20:39.14 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: can you find virtual shadows of lunik mp3? |
| 20:39.15 | pickcoder | actually that may not help if you have duplicates |
| 20:39.25 | pickcoder | I run NIS mostly |
| 20:39.54 | edmundo_v | pickcoder, ok but what it fixes? |
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| 20:40.10 | pickcoder | I guess it wouldn't hurt to make it world readable |
| 20:40.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Hold on, I'll get you the engine you need to pass to KTorrent |
| 20:41.14 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: no no, i found the last 10% |
| 20:41.21 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: ah the engine, thanks |
| 20:41.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://www.scrape3.dreamhosters.com/Results/index.php?search=FOOBAR&ft=basic&season=&episode=&rt=&sort=seed&rd=&fz=1&pf= |
| 20:41.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Name: ScrapeTorrent.com |
| 20:41.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: URL: The above |
| 20:41.50 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i open ktorrent, then settings, prefs ktorrent? |
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| 20:41.59 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: engine name + url? |
| 20:42.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: KTorrent's search plugin |
| 20:42.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Yup |
| 20:42.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Also, enable KDE's polyester theme. It looks pretty nice. :) |
| 20:42.43 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: whoa very cool! thanks a bunch |
| 20:42.55 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: can i make it look like NeXTSTEP? |
| 20:42.57 | edmundo_v | pickcoder, thanks, I found a bug report explaining my problem |
| 20:43.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: KDE is configurable to an insane level |
| 20:43.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: More likely than not. :) |
| 20:43.42 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: ok ok i'll leave the default look |
| 20:43.52 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i meant can i have the scrollbars left? |
| 20:43.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Possibly |
| 20:44.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not sure. |
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| 20:45.01 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: wait i search lunik and then i find torrents of about 100 mb each |
| 20:45.11 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: then i can click on one and i get file list, how can i get one such file? |
| 20:45.28 | PupenoR | How do I create a blog after I installed wordpress (apitude install wordpress) ? |
| 20:45.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: When you download the torrent, KTorrent should give you the option to choose which files to download |
| 20:45.52 | nkuttler | PupenoR: try /usr/share/doc/wordpress |
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| 20:45.59 | PupenoR | nkuttler: thanks. |
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| 20:46.24 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: yes very cool |
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| 20:48.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Just like the rest of KDE? |
| 20:48.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: :) |
| 20:48.45 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: no no, i'll stay with GNUstep, really |
| 20:48.48 | Shadowcat | KDE > * |
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| 20:49.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Shadowcat: :) |
| 20:49.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Give KDE 3.5 a try at least |
| 20:49.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: You might be positively surprised |
| 20:49.20 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i will |
| 20:49.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 20:49.28 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i'll try them all again with etch anyways |
| 20:49.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Alright |
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| 20:49.45 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i'll have to support many many users that don't like our default fvwm setup |
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| 20:50.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Users? |
| 20:50.37 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah, we've got like 150 debian linux workstations :) |
| 20:50.47 | dvs | nice |
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| 20:51.26 | vincent_____ | darkice says: Darkice: darkice.cpp:1100: can't open connector [0] |
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| 20:51.53 | blondie | lindenle: do you mind? |
| 20:52.00 | lindenle | Anyone else having trouble with kcontrol and amarok in testing? |
| 20:52.04 | vincent_____ | it's darkice 0.17.1 on ubuntu 6.10 |
| 20:52.16 | blondie | vincent_____: sorry, this isn't #ubuntu. |
| 20:52.22 | Shadowcat | !ubuntu |
| 20:52.22 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 20:52.23 | lindenle | blondie: Hi blondie |
| 20:52.31 | blondie | hi! |
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| 20:52.45 | Shadowcat | we don't help Ubuntu people |
| 20:52.48 | lindenle | blondie: sorry playing with compiz and it is crashing stuff |
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| 20:53.35 | elvirolo | well |
| 20:53.46 | xingu | nvz: the thing you're tripping over is the thing that surprised me; \n is considered to be part of the hold space right up to the point it's printed |
| 20:53.54 | elvirolo | it's an apt problem more than a Ubuntu problem |
| 20:54.08 | elvirolo | whenever I run apt-get, i get the following message :Segfault (core dumped) ... how do i rebuild the apt database ? |
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| 20:54.09 | Shadowcat | it does NOT matter |
| 20:54.13 | Shadowcat | you're running Ubuntu |
| 20:54.16 | Shadowcat | ask in there |
| 20:54.16 | tarzeau | elvirolo: it's an ubuntu problem |
| 20:54.28 | blondie | tarzeau: no, it's *a* ubuntu problem! |
| 20:54.29 | xingu | nvz: this is what allows constructs like s/something/\n/g to work; it puts a \n into the hold space; the problem is that with a *multi line* hold space your '/^$/ d' term no longer matches. |
| 20:54.34 | Shadowcat | I don't see why every two bit clueless Ubuntu user has to come in here and bug us |
| 20:54.35 | tarzeau | blondie: no |
| 20:54.37 | blondie | yes! |
| 20:54.40 | Shadowcat | you have a channel to go to |
| 20:54.41 | tarzeau | blondie: you're wrong |
| 20:54.47 | blondie | "a ubuntu" not "an ubuntu" |
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| 20:54.50 | dvs | Shadowcat: because we know what we're doing? |
| 20:54.55 | tarzeau | blondie: you're right |
| 20:54.59 | elvirolo | you know why ? |
| 20:55.02 | blondie | I know :P |
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| 20:55.09 | tarzeau | blondie: because it's spelt yubuntu |
| 20:55.17 | blondie | tarzeau: pronounced ;P |
| 20:55.23 | elvirolo | because the people in :#ubuntu are and have always been totally useless |
| 20:55.24 | xingu | nvz: you'd have to get quite tricky with either your space-to-newline substitution match clause, or, your deletion clause to either prevent empty newlines getting added from the outset, or, to remove them once they had |
| 20:55.25 | tarzeau | blondie: yeah pronounced |
| 20:55.25 | blondie | "a universe" etc |
| 20:55.29 | Shadowcat | dvs: it's not our fault #ubuntu's filled with clueless morons that troll ##windows AND #debian on a regular basis |
| 20:55.33 | tarzeau | elvirolo: GO AWAY GO AWAY |
| 20:55.39 | blondie | elvirolo: switch to debian and we'll help. |
| 20:55.42 | elvirolo | not 'an uniform' |
| 20:55.46 | tarzeau | elvirolo: or install debian |
| 20:55.53 | Shadowcat | elvirolo: you run ubuntu, deal with your user base |
| 20:55.56 | elvirolo | tarzeau: ok ok, no need to be aggressive |
| 20:56.04 | tarzeau | elvirolo: i wasn't aggressive |
| 20:56.05 | rahul | how the fuck could we help you with a distro we've never used? |
| 20:56.19 | elvirolo | weeeeelll |
| 20:56.21 | Shadowcat | elvirolo: we're tired of ubuntu people coming in here |
| 20:56.25 | Shadowcat | and we were tired two years ago |
| 20:56.25 | dvs | elvirolo: you've been in here before asking for advice with ubuntu |
| 20:56.26 | elvirolo | apt is a debian tool |
| 20:56.36 | czrtek | elvirolo, what kidn of rebuild did you have in mind? |
| 20:56.36 | tarzeau | elvirolo: but it's raped by ubuntu |
| 20:56.37 | Shadowcat | we're NOT helping you |
| 20:56.37 | elvirolo | I understand that you can find users like me annoying |
| 20:56.45 | tarzeau | elvirolo: no it's not that |
| 20:56.45 | Shadowcat | elvirolo: then go away |
| 20:56.45 | blondie | elvirolo: did we mention that other channel? |
| 20:56.50 | tarzeau | elvirolo: you can ask that if you have debian |
| 20:56.52 | elvirolo | but you can just be a little polite |
| 20:56.58 | tarzeau | elvirolo: you can ask ANYTHING , IF, you have debian |
| 20:57.07 | Shadowcat | elvirolo: no, we support people that use Debian |
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| 20:57.11 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 20:57.13 | Shadowcat | you don't go into #redhat and ask about fedora |
| 20:57.19 | tarzeau | elvirolo: you can't go to an apple store with a microsoft mp3 player |
| 20:57.22 | Shadowcat | now either use debian, or ask in another channel |
| 20:57.25 | tarzeau | elvirolo: well you can, but they can't help you |
| 20:57.38 | czrtek | Shadowcat, actually you can and do quite a lot :-) |
| 20:57.43 | czrtek | you = plural |
| 20:58.02 | Shadowcat | we should code an auto kick on the word ubuntu in here |
| 20:58.04 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 20:58.26 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: and all its variations like |
| 20:58.27 | elvirolo | don't be like that : i usually pretend I use debian in the debian channel for my ubuntu problems because the people in #debian are (usually) are lot better than in #ubuntu |
| 20:58.47 | tarzeau | elvirolo: DAMN CHEATER |
| 20:58.55 | tarzeau | you know what they do with cheaters in arabic emirates? |
| 20:58.57 | elvirolo | but it works ! |
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| 20:59.00 | elvirolo | well |
| 20:59.02 | peterrooney | elvirolo: if i started asking about tcsh in #bash, i'd expect a whole lot of `wtf are you aking HERE for?' |
| 20:59.13 | elvirolo | but ... |
| 20:59.13 | Shadowcat | !ops tell elvirolo to goto #ubuntu for support |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: shadowcat complains about: tell elvirolo to goto #ubuntu for support |
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| 20:59.34 | elvirolo | it's easy for you to help me, and just because you're jealous zealots you won't |
| 20:59.48 | Shadowcat | I actually use Ubuntu, but this is #debian |
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| 20:59.54 | Shadowcat | and I refuse to be in #ubuntu |
| 20:59.57 | Nzxl | Jealous zealots, huh? |
| 20:59.59 | Shadowcat | so no, I'm not gonna help you with that os |
| 21:00.03 | Nzxl | Shadowcat: Same here. |
| 21:00.04 | peterrooney | elvirolo: not zealots. just unwilling to give advice that may well not work for you |
| 21:00.07 | pickcoder | elvirolo: ubuntu is only partially based on the Debian source tree |
| 21:00.17 | pickcoder | elvirolo: it is not a Debian clone |
| 21:00.53 | Shadowcat | elvirolo: or you could persist until one of the ops wake up |
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| 21:00.56 | xingu | nvz: sed -ne 's/\(Foo\|Bar\)//g; s/^[ ]*\([^ ]*\)[ ]*$/\1/g; s/ /\n/g; /^$/ d; p' |
| 21:00.57 | Shadowcat | and deal with them |
| 21:01.15 | elvirolo | i know ... i'm not that stupid ... BUT i chose to ask about my problem here because I thought my problem wasn't ubuntu specific (and don't say it is because you just don't know !) |
| 21:01.22 | elvirolo | it's an apt problem |
| 21:01.25 | xingu | nvz: the middle monstrosity deletes leading/trailing whitespace from holdspace |
| 21:01.29 | elvirolo | i just need to reconstruct my database |
| 21:01.34 | Shadowcat | we don't care about your problem |
| 21:01.36 | pickcoder | elvirolo: it still could be a problem with ubuntu's patches and changes with apt |
| 21:01.38 | Shadowcat | you're running Ubuntu, ask them |
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| 21:01.54 | alexander | sup all |
| 21:01.54 | Nzxl | elvirolo: Did you even try your question in #ubuntu, or did you come straight here? |
| 21:01.54 | Shadowcat | it falls under the <not our problem> sticker |
| 21:01.54 | xingu | nvz: which prevents "Blah Foo Blah" from turning into "\nFoo\n" come the third term. |
| 21:01.55 | peterrooney | elvirolo: then why not ask in #postgres ? |
| 21:02.07 | Shadowcat | Nzxl: he came straight here |
| 21:02.10 | elvirolo | I did ask in Ubuntu |
| 21:02.23 | elvirolo | Shadowcat: why are you lying ? |
| 21:02.24 | Shadowcat | elvirolo: then sit around for an answer, or install debian |
| 21:02.30 | alexander | anyone know if there is something in linux similar to that program in OSX that showcases your music/pictures/etc..... ? |
| 21:02.36 | tarzeau | !debian based |
| 21:02.37 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 21:02.54 | elvirolo | this is not relevant |
| 21:03.00 | Shadowcat | yes it is |
| 21:03.01 | elvirolo | wait |
| 21:03.08 | elvirolo | i'll ask you a debian question |
| 21:03.10 | Shadowcat | you're not running Debian, hence we will NOT help you in here |
| 21:03.11 | elvirolo | see you |
| 21:03.12 | tarzeau | Shadowcat kicks and bans the arse of elvirolo |
| 21:03.17 | tarzeau | elvirolo: now type /part |
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| 21:03.31 | jelly-home | ? |
| 21:03.39 | Shadowcat | he's not even running ubuntu, he's running kubuntu |
| 21:03.42 | Nzxl | Did he actually do that.....? |
| 21:03.54 | dvs | o_O |
| 21:03.54 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:04.04 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: meh, same repository, same distro, innit? |
| 21:04.24 | pickcoder | RPM distros are all completely different, so why is it that Ubuntu users feel it's the same as Debian? |
| 21:04.37 | blondie | because ubuntu is based on debian |
| 21:04.39 | streuner | One answer would be enough, why do we need a convo about more than 10-15 minutes? |
| 21:04.45 | Nzxl | Aye, you don't ask Mandrake questions in a Fedora channel. |
| 21:04.51 | blondie | one kick would be enough |
| 21:04.52 | pickcoder | and there are several varities of Red Hat |
| 21:04.54 | tarzeau | streuner: because there's no op to get rid of the problem |
| 21:04.59 | pickcoder | that doesn't mean Red Hat will support it |
| 21:05.00 | tarzeau | blondie: but who makes it? |
| 21:05.00 | protocol1 | how do I check my nvidia driver version? |
| 21:05.07 | Shadowcat | because apparently we're the only ones qualified to fix any distro based on apt |
| 21:05.11 | jelly-home | Nzxl: but mandrake was a fork off RH, wasn't it? :-) |
| 21:05.15 | streuner | tarzeau: well, there are other ways to ruin your nerves... |
| 21:05.16 | Shadowcat | because all the other users are complete incompetent morons |
| 21:05.17 | tarzeau | protocol1: strings nvidia.(k)o ? or modinfo nvidia ? |
| 21:05.24 | blondie | tarzeau: the person who responds to !ops :P |
| 21:05.26 | tarzeau | streuner: oh tell me ;) |
| 21:05.26 | Shadowcat | or that's the message we've been getting at least |
| 21:05.27 | pickcoder | fork == variety == based on |
| 21:05.30 | Nzxl | jelly-home: Indeed, yet still a completely different distribution. |
| 21:05.39 | teledyn_ | protocol1: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 21:05.40 | tarzeau | blondie: did someone kick him today? no he went himself |
| 21:05.46 | tarzeau | blondie: Shadowcat tried !ops |
| 21:05.52 | tarzeau | blondie: AGAIN nothing happened |
| 21:05.52 | blondie | orly |
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| 21:06.03 | Nzxl | If they weren't different, there would be no point in having more than one. |
| 21:06.09 | blondie | oh well |
| 21:06.17 | teledyn_ | protocol1: or /usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 21:06.26 | blondie | how about "!ops you're all fired" |
| 21:06.42 | streuner | hehe, try and see what happens :-) |
| 21:06.44 | tarzeau | blondie: that'd be good |
| 21:06.46 | Shadowcat | blondie: that would work if you wanted to be banned until the next century |
| 21:06.53 | tarzeau | blondie: it would be good if some regulars in here had ops |
| 21:07.33 | protocol1 | is there a command to refresh everything that I have done to my video settings? |
| 21:07.36 | streuner | tarzeau: you asked for how to ruin your nerves, well become an OP! |
| 21:07.39 | tarzeau | protocol1: no |
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| 21:07.40 | dvs | !abo |
| 21:07.47 | teledyn_ | protocol1: restart X? |
| 21:08.00 | tarzeau | streuner: i am, in some other channels |
| 21:08.03 | streuner | tarzeau: more trouble and no money, aren't there better ways then? :-) |
| 21:08.07 | tarzeau | streuner: i wouldn't say no to be one in here |
| 21:08.18 | protocol1 | because my xorg is all messed up and I want to start fresh |
| 21:08.20 | teledyn_ | protocol1: which would also mean restarting your display manager |
| 21:08.23 | tarzeau | streuner: it'd end the endless discussions about ubuntu in #debian |
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| 21:08.45 | tarzeau | streuner: that's so sure as i will make another livecd.gnustep.org |
| 21:09.00 | protocol1 | is there a way to start fresh.....I dont want to re-install everything |
| 21:09.14 | protocol1 | there must be a way |
| 21:09.23 | tarzeau | protocol1: you have sid? |
| 21:09.27 | teledyn_ | yeah i can't remember the factoid for it. drrx or something? |
| 21:09.27 | protocol1 | etch |
| 21:09.33 | tarzeau | protocol1: oh, i can't support that |
| 21:09.36 | blondie | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org |
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| 21:09.44 | tarzeau | protocol1: but i guess you use the nvidia binary drivers? |
| 21:09.50 | protocol1 | yeah |
| 21:09.56 | tarzeau | protocol1: latest ones? |
| 21:09.57 | jelly-home | tarzeau: hahaha, you can support sid but not etch? :-) |
| 21:10.00 | protocol1 | yeah |
| 21:10.01 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes |
| 21:10.10 | blondie | tarzeau: but we don't support sid in here! :P |
| 21:10.19 | tarzeau | blondie: i do support it right in here |
| 21:10.24 | czrtek | is there a netinstall iso somewhere handy for sid? |
| 21:10.24 | jelly-home | blondie: he's not we |
| 21:10.25 | protocol1 | I tried to load the ones from the nvidia website |
| 21:10.34 | protocol1 | but it messed my machine up |
| 21:10.37 | tarzeau | czrtek: yes but that's not supported |
| 21:10.45 | blondie | in that case people may as well support ubuntu |
| 21:10.50 | tarzeau | czrtek: install stable (or use the etch installer, daily ones) and install that (if it works) |
| 21:10.52 | blondie | !sid |
| 21:10.52 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:10.53 | teledyn_ | protocol1: bad idea. |
| 21:10.55 | czrtek | tarzeau, so what would be "supported"? ;-) |
| 21:10.59 | teledyn_ | !tell protocol1 about nividia |
| 21:11.04 | blondie | !unstable |
| 21:11.04 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 21:11.06 | tarzeau | czrtek: stable->sid or testing->sid |
| 21:11.11 | teledyn_ | !tell protocol1 about nvidia |
| 21:11.30 | tarzeau | czrtek: you can ask dpkg about those |
| 21:11.30 | blondie | hm |
| 21:11.31 | tarzeau | protocol1: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver |
| 21:11.31 | czrtek | tarzeau, ah, so installing sid-netinstall directly isn't worth it. k |
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| 21:11.37 | tarzeau | czrtek: it's not supported |
| 21:11.45 | czrtek | netinstall or sid in general? |
| 21:12.06 | tarzeau | czrtek: i've done it a few times, you might have bad luck where it just won't work (well i did cdebootstraps) |
| 21:12.20 | tarzeau | czrtek: there's no installer for sid |
| 21:12.23 | pumpkin0 | czrtek: not supported = we don't care if it worked or not. |
| 21:12.23 | czrtek | well, I can do a stable netinstall then dist-upgrade to sid |
| 21:12.28 | tarzeau | czrtek: but you can debootstrap it |
| 21:12.33 | tarzeau | czrtek: yes do that |
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| 21:13.01 | pumpkin0 | czrtek: you should not dist-upgrade directly from sarge to sid. Goto etch first, then to sid. |
| 21:13.07 | sphenxes | what is the command to logout for a user, not shutdown? |
| 21:13.16 | czrtek | pumpkin0, ah, k. |
| 21:13.18 | streuner | (exit) |
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| 21:13.27 | streuner | sphenxes: exit |
| 21:13.33 | tarzeau | streuner: or ctrl-d |
| 21:13.33 | czrtek | will sarge->etch->sid upgrade work? |
| 21:13.42 | tarzeau | czrtek: it's better to do sarge->sid |
| 21:13.46 | pumpkin0 | sphenxes: depends on the programm. For X ctrl-alt-backspace is best (SAVE FIRST) |
| 21:14.00 | sphenxes | pumpkin0, thanks |
| 21:14.02 | czrtek | tarzeau, pumpkin0, so which? :-) |
| 21:14.02 | h3sp4wn | probably easier to use the etch rc1 installer and then do etch-> sid |
| 21:14.02 | tarzeau | czrtek: but yes, yours should work too. but it's stupid |
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| 21:14.15 | tarzeau | czrtek: any, stable->sid or testing->sid |
| 21:14.19 | pumpkin0 | tarzeau: you sure ? Even the sarge-etch f**ks the kernel ... |
| 21:14.29 | streuner | sure |
| 21:14.30 | infidel | hi anyone here know anything about palm tx and irda? |
| 21:14.33 | tarzeau | pumpkin0: well whatever ->testing is completely something else |
| 21:14.38 | HardDisk_WP | !testing |
| 21:14.38 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 21:14.44 | tarzeau | pumpkin0: i have no idea about that, you know i'm a testing hater |
| 21:14.57 | tarzeau | pumpkin0: i always say either use stable or use sid |
| 21:15.15 | czrtek | what's the kernel version in etch? |
| 21:15.24 | h3sp4wn | 2.6.18 |
| 21:15.24 | streuner | uh |
| 21:15.35 | streuner | czrtek: how about to search on pdo? |
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| 21:15.51 | alexander | anyone know if there is something in linux similar to that program in OSX that showcases your music/pictures/etc..... ? |
| 21:15.55 | czrtek | streuner, doesn't compute. what do you mean? |
| 21:16.03 | pumpkin0 | czrtek: there are 2 common bugs in sarge->etch upgrade: apt loses track of the kernel (you have to reinstall the kernel) and xorg may lose the fontpaths (1-2 packages to reinstall). |
| 21:16.08 | streuner | !tell czrtek about pdo |
| 21:16.13 | infidel | i need a hand i'm trying to get my infra red port to work with my palm |
| 21:16.15 | czrtek | I'm not installing X |
| 21:16.28 | streuner | try links or lynx then :-) |
| 21:16.37 | pumpkin0 | infernix: sarge, etch of sid ? |
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| 21:17.00 | czrtek | I have working X alreayd. just not installing X with debian, whichever version I decide to install. however, anyone have handy some urls with netinstall isos? |
| 21:17.15 | tarzeau | alexander: i like feh |
| 21:17.15 | stoned | Well I was mounting my ext3 drives under xp, all done and good, then I enabled write support, not supported, and it works fine, reads/writes and works well. I then tried to boot linux, and no go. I find out that the TypeID has changed from 83/Linux to 7/HPFS/NTFS, but it won't mount the drive as NTFS/FAT/EXT3 (any of them) |
| 21:17.19 | streuner | czrtek: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:17.35 | stoned | 750GB of data |
| 21:17.44 | lynucs | guys, maybe you can help, how to turn off "mic as center / LFE" and "line as surround" in alsa? |
| 21:17.47 | alexander | tarzeau, thanks! ill look it up |
| 21:17.51 | SpeS | hi |
| 21:18.01 | dvs | stoned: hello |
| 21:18.12 | stoned | dvs, howdy brother |
| 21:18.12 | SpeS | I'm installing nvidia drivers for a GF440mx, and now the max refresh rate I can get in xorg is 59Hz at 1024... what can I do? The screen section of the xorg.conf is the same than before... |
| 21:18.13 | pumpkin0 | stoned: ask the people that wrote the windows-ext3-driver.... IMHO they f**ked up. |
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| 21:18.19 | dvs | brother? heh |
| 21:18.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: So how do you like the look of KDE so far? |
| 21:18.29 | pumpkin0 | Spec: TFT or CRT display ? |
| 21:18.32 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: it's ugly, but it gets the music i want |
| 21:18.33 | stoned | pumpkin0, but I go back to xp, enable ext2fsd, and check this, IT WORKS!!! |
| 21:18.37 | SpeS | pumpkin0, CRT |
| 21:18.53 | stoned | pumpkin0, before taking any other actions, I'm backing ALL of it up right now, 72 minutes remaining. |
| 21:18.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Which KDE theme are you using? |
| 21:18.58 | czrtek | streuner, thanks |
| 21:19.06 | SpeS | pumpkin0, It was ok at 75Hz before installing nvidia driver |
| 21:19.06 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: dunno, the defaut of debian sid |
| 21:19.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: And compared to GNUstep, anything is beatiful |
| 21:19.13 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: can you upload your xorg/xfree-config and log into a pastebin ? |
| 21:19.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | even ncurses |
| 21:19.14 | stoned | Then I will format the drives as NTFS and have just a xp desktop, and run debian on my laptop |
| 21:19.16 | alexander | tarzeau, you have a weblink on that? feh seems to be an image viewer amoungst other things |
| 21:19.17 | stoned | I dunno |
| 21:19.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: That tells me nothing |
| 21:19.21 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i disagree |
| 21:19.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: run kcontrol |
| 21:19.25 | SpeS | pumpkin0, yes, one sec :) |
| 21:19.35 | tarzeau | alexander: it can do -i indexing, and recurse directories |
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| 21:19.45 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: and the log ! |
| 21:19.47 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: $ kcontrol |
| 21:19.48 | tarzeau | zsh: command not found: kcontrol |
| 21:19.49 | stoned | I want two OS simultaneously with native HW driving :/ |
| 21:19.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Then go to appearance and themes, then style |
| 21:19.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: You don't have KDE installed? |
| 21:20.05 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: no? i have KTORRENT |
| 21:20.06 | pumpkin0 | stoned: vFAT time ... |
| 21:20.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: apt-get install kcontrol |
| 21:20.16 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: and it was 22mb to download |
| 21:20.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | WTF? |
| 21:20.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's not that huge |
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| 21:20.37 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: kcontrol needs 33mb to download! MAN i will run out of disk space |
| 21:20.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's 4-5mb |
| 21:20.48 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: then what is so huge? |
| 21:20.52 | stoned | pumpkin0, I'm just gonna go with ext2 and try xp's read/write support on ext2 for a while before I make a booboo again |
| 21:21.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: What? Are you running off a USB pen? :P |
| 21:21.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Well, KDE libs, I'm guessing |
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| 21:21.39 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: really give me a few weeks |
| 21:21.49 | CasinoLuv | Hi...Anyone can tell me what interface corresponds to eth0.1(Lan??) eth0(Wan??) under Asus wl500gp router? |
| 21:21.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Want me to send you my old 8GB hard drive, tarzeau? :P |
| 21:21.58 | pumpkin0 | stoned: ext2 is kind of slow if you have to fsck it. 750 GB may take several hours. |
| 21:22.01 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: NO |
| 21:22.09 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: where do you live? |
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| 21:22.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Norway |
| 21:22.19 | Nzxl | tarzeau: I'll send you a 20gig I found. |
| 21:22.22 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: send me some blonde chicks :) |
| 21:22.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I wouldn't mind a few myself |
| 21:22.30 | tarzeau | Nzxl: haha thanks, really i don't need one |
| 21:22.34 | czrtek | pumpkin0, ext3 isn't any better |
| 21:22.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Even here, nerds don't get lucky easily |
| 21:22.37 | Nzxl | It was out for trash. |
| 21:22.42 | stoned | pumpkin0, you can have a 750GB vfat partition? |
| 21:22.44 | pumpkin0 | CasinoLuv: run "iwconfig". It will put out an error for all non-WLAN NICs. |
| 21:22.46 | SpeS | http://pastebin.com/845329 |
| 21:22.47 | SpeS | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/845329 |
| 21:22.47 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: but YOU are in norway, not me |
| 21:22.48 | Nzxl | But it works as far as I know. |
| 21:22.49 | czrtek | by fsck i assume you mean a proper fsck, not just a journal replay |
| 21:22.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: But I'm still a nerd |
| 21:23.03 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: shave , get dressed nicely, get a better haircut |
| 21:23.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: So where are you? France? |
| 21:23.07 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: photo? |
| 21:23.11 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: switzerland |
| 21:23.26 | SpeS | pumpkin0, xorg cannot load speedo module either (but X loads anyway) |
| 21:23.33 | SpeS | what's that module for? |
| 21:23.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got a pretty average haircut |
| 21:23.39 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i'm the one right http://snow.ethz.ch/vg.jpg |
| 21:23.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | And I shave very often |
| 21:23.46 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: remove the lines HorizSync and VertRefresh. (line ~85) and try again. |
| 21:23.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | However, I |
| 21:23.49 | Nzxl | Dark_Apostrophe: Start growing it out. :) |
| 21:23.52 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: but the hair isn't long anymore |
| 21:23.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | 'm overweight and wear glasses |
| 21:24.02 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: go hack your body, make sports. get lenses |
| 21:24.15 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: size? weight? age? photo? |
| 21:24.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | I intend to start training once the studios open after the holiday |
| 21:24.23 | SpeS | pumpkin0, ok, I'll try it now, thanks! :) |
| 21:24.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | As for lenses, I don't like them |
| 21:24.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | They're very uncomfortable |
| 21:24.29 | pumpkin0 | czrtek: FAT32 can do 8 TB, but only 4 GB / file. |
| 21:24.31 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: start now! i lost 10kg in 2 months |
| 21:24.36 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: and it was fun :) |
| 21:24.43 | czrtek | pumpkin0, err, I know that. what's the relevance? |
| 21:24.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | How did you pull that of? |
| 21:24.45 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: monthly ones? |
| 21:24.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dailies |
| 21:24.55 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: no idea. and i ate so much, and the stuff i loved |
| 21:24.59 | czrtek | pumpkin0, I didn't mention fat at any stage. or you mean fsck:ing fat is much faster? |
| 21:25.00 | pumpkin0 | czrtek: sorry, wrong person ... |
| 21:25.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: huh? |
| 21:25.09 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: try monthly ones of silicone |
| 21:25.11 | pumpkin0 | stoned: FAT32 can do 8 TB, but only 4 GB / file. |
| 21:25.23 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: if you build muscles, you can eat way more, and lose weight |
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| 21:25.55 | streuner | not at the same time |
| 21:26.05 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: 3 times a week, do 30' fitness, then 30-60' some other sports (cross trainer, rowing..) |
| 21:26.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: I'm using them |
| 21:26.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: 30 what? |
| 21:26.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Minutes? |
| 21:26.27 | pumpkin0 | czrtek: fscking ext2 is a lot slower then fscking ext2. ext3 can live happily without a full fsck after a crash/hard reboot, while ext2 forces you to have a full fsck after each dirty umount. |
| 21:26.27 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: yes |
| 21:26.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 21:26.51 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: what about wintersports? got snow? |
| 21:26.52 | czrtek | pumpkin0, I know that too. you missed a line from me it seems |
| 21:26.59 | elvirolo | it's me again .. finally someone kindly told me what to do about my problem on #ubuntu ... after further research, i found that this webpage : https://www.debian-administration.org/articles/426 gives the same solution, and it applies to DEBIAN since it's instrinsic to apt's mechanism ... so I was right indeed ... I'm not angry, but I just want to show that, instead of treating newbies like sh*t (and i mean it) you should try |
| 21:27.00 | elvirolo | g ... please don't be like all these aggressive zealots and show a bit of solidarity (although they can be annoying, but there you go, that 's human kind for you) |
| 21:27.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Not at all |
| 21:27.04 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: i've never been to norway, must be nice? |
| 21:27.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Hell, it's like 8*C here. |
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| 21:27.17 | tarzeau | Dark_Apostrophe: get some warm thermo clothing! it's fun |
| 21:27.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: Not really. Rainy. |
| 21:27.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | tarzeau: When I get sweaty, I start itching, so no |
| 21:27.35 | czrtek | elvirolo, or you can just ignore this channel and help people on #ubuntu instead :-) |
| 21:27.57 | protocol1 | Cool I got the ones from NVIDIA working |
| 21:28.01 | protocol1 | nm |
| 21:28.19 | protocol1 | I just removed the old ones |
| 21:28.21 | SpeS | pumpkin0, no luck |
| 21:28.21 | SpeS | *1 1024 x 768 ( 260mm x 195mm ) 51 57 *58 59 |
| 21:28.22 | SpeS | :( |
| 21:28.26 | protocol1 | :) |
| 21:28.38 | protocol1 | cant use both |
| 21:28.40 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i elect you as mr. solidarity |
| 21:28.43 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: OK, now upload the whole log ... |
| 21:29.00 | SpeS | pumpkin0, /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 21:29.01 | SpeS | ok.. |
| 21:29.05 | protocol1 | I have yet to see the performance in my games |
| 21:29.11 | tarzeau | elvirolo: see you can find out all yourself, you don't need #debian nor #ubuntu |
| 21:29.34 | elvirolo | no, i got the help from #ubuntu in the first place |
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| 21:29.43 | elvirolo | what i mean is that you could have helped me |
| 21:29.51 | tarzeau | elvirolo: some people hang out here for fun because they don't have a life. and #ubuntu issues are the least they want to hear |
| 21:29.56 | elvirolo | but you didn't just because i use ubuntu |
| 21:30.00 | tarzeau | elvirolo: yeah, most could have helped you |
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| 21:30.08 | tarzeau | elvirolo: but they didn't want, simply because you have ubuntu |
| 21:30.16 | tarzeau | elvirolo: it's nothing personal, it's just not debian |
| 21:30.22 | tarzeau | elvirolo: how hard is that to understand? |
| 21:30.32 | elvirolo | well |
| 21:30.33 | SpeS | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/845331 |
| 21:30.37 | elvirolo | it's irrationnal |
| 21:30.42 | tarzeau | elvirolo: it may be |
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| 21:30.45 | tarzeau | elvirolo: accept it |
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| 21:31.04 | tarzeau | elvirolo: it's been like that for years if not a decade of years |
| 21:31.18 | elvirolo | when i'm able to help someone, i help him even if i don't like his clothes or skin color or what what he drives |
| 21:31.25 | tarzeau | elvirolo: these are not robots here |
| 21:31.40 | tarzeau | elvirolo: that's not quite the same |
| 21:31.43 | SpeS | I've got also problems with the fonts |
| 21:31.43 | zinx | elvirolo: even if they drive a ford??? |
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| 21:32.00 | tarzeau | elvirolo: i act likewise, except i'm in a hurry |
| 21:32.05 | tarzeau | zinx: :) |
| 21:32.08 | elvirolo | zinx: no, that's going too far |
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| 21:32.29 | Nzxl | elvirolo: That's different. You were in a Debian specific channel trying to get help on your Ubuntu system. |
| 21:32.56 | elvirolo | well |
| 21:33.04 | czrtek | anyone running debian (or other dpkg-based) systems inside vm:s here? |
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| 21:33.27 | elvirolo | if i had said "hi ! i use debian and my prob is this and that" and that you had answered, it would've worked |
| 21:33.29 | Nzxl | Whether the problem was Ubuntu specific or not, you should ask in a channel that relates to what you're using. |
| 21:33.44 | blondie | elvirolo: if we'd given you an answer that had fucked your system up because ubuntu does things differently to debian, you'd be getting cross about that |
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| 21:34.12 | tarzeau | elvirolo: ubuntu rapes cups, and doesn't have /etc/locales (well has but not in /etc) |
| 21:34.14 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: put the vertical line back in, but use 70-85 this time. |
| 21:34.16 | DUAL_MAN | this might be a dumb question, but for some reason i can't us locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: no such file or directory |
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| 21:34.26 | tarzeau | elvirolo: and many such small things, the whole startup thing (upstart??) is different |
| 21:34.37 | czrtek | DUAL_MAN, run updatedb as root once |
| 21:34.39 | SpeS | pumpkin0, ok... how can I deduce those numbers? |
| 21:34.43 | blondie | DUAL_MAN: try running updatedb first |
| 21:34.44 | tarzeau | elvirolo: really, it's very different, same names |
| 21:34.47 | czrtek | DUAL_MAN, normally the db is built once per night (or similar) |
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| 21:35.00 | tarzeau | elvirolo: the labels read dpkg and apt-get, but something else is inside |
| 21:35.01 | elvirolo | anyway |
| 21:35.29 | DUAL_MAN | c, i knew t was an easy one |
| 21:35.31 | restless | hmm just bought the book The Debian system, let's see how easy/hard it is to go through it |
| 21:35.38 | blondie | anyway, just because the answer to one question is the same for debian as ubuntu, doesn't mean you should assume they're all the same, and that you can ask ubuntu questions here |
| 21:35.49 | elvirolo | next time somebody asks you the same question, tell him to run sudo rm /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin because it works on ubuntu as well as on debian |
| 21:36.05 | elvirolo | i understand |
| 21:36.10 | elvirolo | sorry about all that |
| 21:36.11 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: the driver will try to use anything from 70Hz to 85Hz. It will check these values against the EDID-data from the display. It didn't find a vaild value between 70-75Hz, so i guess it needs more freedom in choosing. |
| 21:36.13 | czrtek | elvirolo, err, that only removes the cache file for source packages |
| 21:36.14 | tarzeau | elvirolo: next time someone with ubuntu asks a question here i'll ask him to sudo rm / |
| 21:36.15 | elvirolo | see you |
| 21:36.17 | tarzeau | elvirolo: -rf |
| 21:36.21 | tarzeau | elvirolo: not all debian people have sudo |
| 21:36.30 | blondie | elvirolo: that whole sudo thing is ubuntu-specific. |
| 21:36.36 | blondie | I don't have sudo |
| 21:36.38 | capiira | ok im disappointed now :/ |
| 21:36.40 | tarzeau | blondie: same here |
| 21:36.54 | tarzeau | blondie: can't wait to see the next ubuntu problem here |
| 21:36.55 | elvirolo | you're just playing on words (or commands rahter) |
| 21:36.57 | Cyis | tarzeau: easier to tell them to run 'rm -rf . /' as root... |
| 21:37.02 | capiira | whole audio stoped working |
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| 21:37.06 | elvirolo | i used to run debian |
| 21:37.06 | blondie | elvirolo: no, pointing out that it IS different. |
| 21:37.09 | tarzeau | Cyis: nah, they'll not fall for THAT trick |
| 21:37.11 | SpeS | pumpkin0, aham great to know :) I'll try that now |
| 21:37.12 | Cyis | if they're that clueless the won't have sudo properly configured |
| 21:37.12 | blondie | abrotman: tell them ;.; |
| 21:37.17 | tarzeau | Cyis: but sudo is like echo ahead :) |
| 21:37.19 | teledyn_ | not only that, but it takes a specific config of sudo to do all those commands |
| 21:37.22 | elvirolo | but it was way too slow for me |
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| 21:37.27 | abrotman | you're all wrong! |
| 21:37.29 | tarzeau | Cyis: ubuntu configures sudo like that, no? |
| 21:37.32 | elvirolo | and now i run ubuntu, and it's still way too slow for me |
| 21:37.37 | blondie | elvirolo: debian was "too slow"? pebkac |
| 21:37.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're back! |
| 21:37.46 | elvirolo | yeah |
| 21:37.46 | blondie | elvirolo: get a faster PC then |
| 21:37.47 | Cyis | tarzeau: I'm not sure... don't run ubuntu :) |
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| 21:38.08 | tarzeau | Cyis: we'll try and find out with the next guy :) |
| 21:38.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
| 21:38.17 | Cyis | I get PO'd at ubuntu bastardizing my packages then having ubuntu users filing bugs against my package |
| 21:38.27 | tarzeau | Cyis: i have the same problem |
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| 21:38.55 | elvirolo | anyway, see you |
| 21:38.57 | elvirolo | (or not) |
| 21:39.02 | elvirolo | (if i install debian again) |
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| 21:39.04 | czrtek | you'd rather not get the bug reports at all? |
| 21:39.08 | tarzeau | Cyis: and the answer is simple: http://people.debian.org/~daniel/documents/ubuntu.html |
| 21:39.22 | SpeS | pumpkin0, *1 1024 x 768 ( 260mm x 195mm ) 51 57 *58 59 |
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| 21:39.36 | tarzeau | Cyis: albeit i'd made the IS NOT capital letter, fatter and red blinking .gif |
| 21:39.38 | SpeS | pumpkin0, upload the log again? |
| 21:39.42 | SpeS | :( |
| 21:39.43 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: yes. |
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| 21:39.49 | abrotman | tuv: i think that won't get fixed :) |
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| 21:40.49 | Cyis | tarzeau: true... which means they may not catch the clue |
| 21:40.50 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: i hope the nvidia driver reacts to the values in the same way the open soucre drivers react. If htey have some costum non-standard way to set the refresh ... |
| 21:40.56 | SpeS | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/845335 |
| 21:41.34 | tarzeau | Cyis: like the small graphic on the bottom? http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 21:41.37 | abrotman | is it a pumpkin? |
| 21:41.44 | tarzeau | http://people.zoy.org/~sam/bisountu.jpeg |
| 21:43.09 | abrotman | Cyis: do you carry that LART in your truck? :) |
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| 21:43.22 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: the last line says it is using 70Hz. (Setting mode "1024x768_70"). If the drivers says 70Hz there and 60Hz in xrandr ... ask nvidia why. |
| 21:43.23 | zinx | tarzeau: haha, that's great |
| 21:43.28 | me_here | i get memory allocation problems when i use apt-get dselect-upgrade, why's that ? |
| 21:43.38 | SpeS | pumpkin0, ouch :S |
| 21:43.52 | tarzeau | zinx: yeh :) |
| 21:43.57 | me_here | heh |
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| 21:44.01 | SpeS | xrandr is part of xorg? |
| 21:44.25 | tarzeau | SpeS: comes with xbase-clients |
| 21:44.31 | me_here | but everything's fine without dselect-upgrade |
| 21:44.38 | tarzeau | (of xorg) |
| 21:44.40 | Cyis | abrotman: no... I just use my truck as the LART for the really fat fscks :) |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:44.48 | SpeS | ahm... |
| 21:44.59 | abrotman | Spec: apt-file search xrandr |
| 21:45.11 | abrotman | !mmap |
| 21:45.11 | dpkg | from memory, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 21:45.15 | SpeS | I see... |
| 21:45.17 | Cyis | abrotman: living in the land of obesity and all... sometimes a clue by four isn't bit enough :) |
| 21:45.37 | abrotman | not everyone down there is big! |
| 21:46.18 | Cyis | abrotman: true... but where else can you get a super sized extra value meal with a diet coke :) |
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| 21:46.49 | tarzeau | abrotman: click to enlargen! |
| 21:46.54 | SpeS | pumpkin0, well thanks very much |
| 21:46.58 | SpeS | :) |
| 21:47.15 | SpeS | perhaps this is 70Hz it doesn't "hurt" |
| 21:47.18 | abrotman | Cyis: it's better when they get two meals |
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| 21:47.53 | Cyis | abrotman: you mean two super sized extra value meals and a diet coke... like the diet coke is gonna even out the meal :) |
| 21:47.56 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: run xrandr and check ... If it is 70, change the vertical frequency setting to 75-85 and try ... |
| 21:48.24 | SpeS | pumpkin0, *1 1024 x 768 ( 260mm x 195mm ) 51 57 *58 59 |
| 21:48.33 | SpeS | but I can see, I'm not crying |
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| 21:48.38 | SpeS | so perhaps it's more than that |
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| 21:48.54 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: uhm... OK. |
| 21:49.00 | Cyis | even funnier when you see them go through the drive-thru window... and they barely fit behind the steering wheel... |
| 21:49.01 | abrotman | Cyis: TWO diet cokes .. jeez .. they get one with each meal! |
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| 21:49.07 | SpeS | pumpkin0, can actual monitor exploit? |
| 21:49.12 | SpeS | ... |
| 21:49.26 | SpeS | I'm scared to set it too high... |
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| 21:49.46 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: most switch off, some run hot, then die. And some older models blow the electronics to bits ... |
| 21:50.00 | SpeS | ermm.... :S |
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| 21:50.09 | SpeS | let0s try 75-85Hz :D |
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| 21:50.28 | Cyis | speaking of cars... ever notice how people seem to get the wrong vehicle for themselves? They could be as big as a fridge and try to squeeze into a Geo Metro :) |
| 21:50.54 | Cyis | or if they can't drive for crap they have the biggest SUV they can find... and 9 times out of 10 can't see over the steering wheel of said SUV |
| 21:51.06 | zinx | Cyis: but they don't need to |
| 21:51.11 | zinx | Cyis: they'll only hurt the other person |
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| 21:51.56 | Cyis | too many drivers on the road don't need a license |
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| 21:52.09 | Cyis | then again... most of them probably are driving without one anyway |
| 21:52.34 | abrotman | Cyis: are you saying .. as a truck driver .. you're 6ft tall .. unshaven for three days with a wad of kodiak in your gum ? |
| 21:53.20 | teledyn_ | a wad of kodak in his gum? wtf? |
| 21:53.26 | abrotman | teledyn_: chewing tobacco |
| 21:53.40 | teledyn_ | what, kodak makes chewing tobacco? |
| 21:53.42 | abrotman | kodiak .. not kodak |
| 21:53.45 | abrotman | read again |
| 21:53.52 | Cyis | abrotman: Well... I am 6' tall (wife is 6'2")... but I don't chew so wouldn't have a wad of kodiak and I just don't shave my mustache and goatee cause my wife likes it and says I look 15 years younger when I shave it off |
| 21:53.53 | teledyn_ | i know, i'm just messin' |
| 21:54.14 | abrotman | Cyis: i'd shave it off .. seems a good way to get a mistress :) |
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| 21:54.36 | teledyn_ | but the concept of someone chewing a wad of kodak film has its unique appeal :-) |
| 21:55.04 | abrotman | teledyn_: in the late 70s .. they could develop film in lake erie |
| 21:55.32 | teledyn_ | because of the acid? |
| 21:55.36 | Eulex | Cyis, haha, just came to the computer and read "<Cyis> too many drivers on the road don't need a license" then wondered what device drivers don't need a license xD |
| 21:55.44 | SpeS | pumpkin0, it still says: *1 1024 x 768 ( 260mm x 195mm ) 51 57 *58 59 |
| 21:55.50 | abrotman | teledyn_: because of a lot of stuff |
| 21:55.53 | SpeS | pumpkin0, but hey, the physical dimensions are larger!! |
| 21:56.09 | SpeS | and this seems to be more than 58Hz |
| 21:56.09 | teledyn_ | abrotman: i'm from cleveland originally |
| 21:56.22 | abrotman | teledyn_: didn't Lake Erie once catch on fire ? |
| 21:56.28 | teledyn_ | abrotman: i used to swim in that lake |
| 21:56.30 | SpeS | pumpkin0, I've tried with 75-85Hz now... |
| 21:56.46 | abrotman | teledyn_: okay .. we should probably stop this discussion now before i freak you out :) |
| 21:56.56 | teledyn_ | abrotman: i think the cuyahoga river which feeds into it did. yeah it flows through the flats where all the mills are. its pretty nasty there. |
| 21:57.15 | pumpkin0 | SpeS: i would stop testdriving now and google about this for a long time. These values/reacts are not sane. Or get a CRT that displays the real rate in it's OSD. |
| 21:57.27 | teledyn_ | abrotman: oh its ok. i recently had a hair toxic analysis done and found out my uranium is over 90th percentile. |
| 21:57.33 | abrotman | teledyn_: i can't find anyhting about developing film .. but i read an article about it a long time ago |
| 21:57.35 | teledyn_ | what more could freak me out? |
| 21:57.49 | SpeS | pumpkin0, aham ok, I'll do that |
| 21:57.55 | SpeS | pumpkin0, thanks very much :) |
| 21:57.57 | abrotman | teledyn_: that you'd pee uranium ? |
| 21:58.32 | teledyn_ | no its in the hair. they clip it and to GC/MS on it i think |
| 21:59.04 | teledyn_ | still trying to figure out if it was maybe some of the funky chinese herbal compounds i use, or drinking water when i go hiking, or what |
| 21:59.42 | abrotman | teledyn_: if it makes you feel better .. i live in a 'kill zone' :) |
| 22:00.04 | teledyn_ | abrotman: ¿kill zone? |
| 22:00.09 | Cyis | could be worse... could be a chernobyl baby :) |
| 22:00.12 | abrotman | teledyn_: from a nuclear power plant |
| 22:00.12 | teledyn_ | near a reactor? |
| 22:00.15 | abrotman | yeah |
| 22:00.35 | teledyn_ | i live in a kill zone called california. waiting for that big one to hit... |
| 22:00.37 | Cyis | so abrotman's urine glows in the dark |
| 22:00.47 | abrotman | if i use a 70mm lens .. i can see the ladder on the cooling towers :) |
| 22:01.00 | zinx | abrotman: what country? |
| 22:01.03 | abrotman | US |
| 22:01.05 | teledyn_ | or another 50 million illegal immagrants to come, whichever comes first... |
| 22:01.15 | Cyis | teledyn_: toss up between those two |
| 22:01.19 | zinx | abrotman: you know it's illegal to take pictures here right? :P~ |
| 22:01.48 | abrotman | zinx: i was messing with a camera .. i didn't actually take any |
| 22:02.06 | abrotman | my friend brought his D10 when he came to visit |
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| 22:02.11 | zinx | hehe |
| 22:02.26 | Cyis | abrotman: could be fine to play with the guards with a strong red laser pointer |
| 22:02.44 | abrotman | Cyis: well .. there are worse things |
| 22:03.31 | abrotman | Cyis: i used to bike ride back there a good bit more than i do now .. but i found a trail one day .. so i followed it .. came to a big dead tree .. saw a clearing up the hill .. so i hiked up it .. it was railroad tracks .. but i was about a slingshot distance from the tower .. and noone stopped me |
| 22:04.15 | Cyis | abrotman: good ole american security :) |
| 22:04.19 | PumpkinPie | why cant two ssl certificates use one IP ? |
| 22:04.35 | Cyis | ranks right up their with american intelligence agencies :) |
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| 22:04.48 | abrotman | Cyis: this was after 9/11 |
| 22:05.05 | Cyis | abrotman: like it really made any difference pre or post? |
| 22:05.08 | teledyn_ | Cyis: yeah, why is it you can do that, but the damn lobby to the post office is closed after hours to keep out homeless, so you can't buy stamps? |
| 22:05.08 | abrotman | Cyis: it wasn't just that .. the tracks follow the fence .. i rode the tracks for about 30 minutes |
| 22:06.00 | Cyis | PumpkinPie: because during the SSL handshake there is no way to select which certificate to use |
| 22:06.15 | Cyis | PumpkinPie: it can only base it on the IP address being connected to |
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| 22:07.29 | abrotman | Cyis: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=19464&ie=UTF8&z=15&ll=40.229316,-75.588899&spn=0.013139,0.042701&t=k&om=1 |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | Cyis: you can see the tracks |
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| 22:08.25 | Cyis | abrotman: between the river and the plant? |
| 22:08.33 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 22:08.43 | teledyn_ | dude - send us a terraserver zoom-in! |
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| 22:09.31 | abrotman | enouf: that's about two hours away |
| 22:09.41 | enouf | I'm within the 20 mile radius of one here too |
| 22:09.43 | teledyn_ | i heard helen caldicott talking recently about 3 mi. is. and how bad it actually was |
| 22:09.49 | abrotman | enouf: not of TMI though ? |
| 22:09.54 | enouf | no |
| 22:10.02 | abrotman | i ddi an internship near TMI |
| 22:10.12 | bokey | abrotman, enouf itchi hi :) |
| 22:10.19 | blondie | !tmi |
| 22:10.20 | dpkg | hmm... tmi is too much information, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Mile_Island |
| 22:10.42 | enouf | I saw the special about Chernobyl .. man o man .. what a nightmare |
| 22:10.55 | enouf | bokey: yo |
| 22:11.18 | enouf | the robots were dying from too much radiation |
| 22:11.30 | enouf | on the roof of the structure |
| 22:11.31 | bokey | enouf, chernobyl. read abt it. very tragical indeed. |
| 22:11.45 | enouf | +ou for bokey :-) |
| 22:11.54 | abrotman | Cyis: notice the scale at the bottom |
| 22:11.59 | blondie | er |
| 22:12.08 | bokey | enouf, also bhopal gas ? you know abt that too ? |
| 22:12.22 | enouf | bokey: sure .. Union Carbide |
| 22:12.27 | enouf | Duracell |
| 22:12.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can kernels be optimized for AMD64? |
| 22:12.42 | bokey | enouf, yeah. |
| 22:12.45 | bokey | enouf, :) |
| 22:12.50 | Cyis | abrotman: scale at bottom of what? |
| 22:12.51 | enouf | +ou one more time .. hope bokey gets the hint wink |
| 22:12.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Like, -k7 for Athlon XPs |
| 22:13.06 | abrotman | Cyis: of the map ... |
| 22:13.06 | bokey | enouf, is this some kind of quiz ? |
| 22:13.08 | bokey | hehe |
| 22:13.08 | rsk | Dark_Apostrophe: yes. choose the right cpu in the kernel conf. |
| 22:13.21 | enouf | abt is not a word bokey :-) |
| 22:13.28 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah |
| 22:13.34 | bokey | enouf, s/abt/about |
| 22:13.36 | enouf | hence + ou |
| 22:13.36 | bokey | :) |
| 22:13.40 | enouf | nice :-) |
| 22:14.10 | enouf | can I stop the incessant smilies now? |
| 22:14.19 | bokey | enouf, hehe.. :) |
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| 22:14.41 | bokey | ^_^ |
| 22:14.51 | enouf | O_o |
| 22:14.56 | teledyn_ | what's going on? did you two have a secret affair or something? |
| 22:14.59 | bokey | *_* |
| 22:15.13 | bokey | hehe |
| 22:15.15 | bokey | i stop |
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| 22:15.32 | itchi | enouf: Got an eye killed?? |
| 22:15.43 | bokey | itchi, hey.. |
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| 22:15.58 | me_here | heh |
| 22:15.59 | itchi | bokey: :-p |
| 22:16.04 | enouf | itchi: stab it with a fiork? |
| 22:16.07 | bokey | itchi, too much smilies. :O |
| 22:16.08 | enouf | er fork |
| 22:16.22 | amphi | spork |
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| 22:16.28 | itchi | hehe |
| 22:16.30 | enouf | boinks bokey |
| 22:16.31 | teledyn_ | okay, now i'm thinking hallucinogens... |
| 22:16.31 | bokey | itchi, that ld exit status was indeed permission.. stupid me. |
| 22:16.42 | itchi | bokey: Hence error code 1 haha |
| 22:16.45 | bokey | itchi, thanks man. |
| 22:17.02 | bokey | itchi, yeah :) |
| 22:17.20 | enouf | amphi: yeah a foon isn't as dangerous |
| 22:17.33 | amphi | enouf: heh |
| 22:17.38 | bokey | enouf, oink oink. :] |
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| 22:17.57 | DUAL_MAN | what is the preferred email client for debain |
| 22:17.58 | bokey | enouf, you know kangaroos make that sound ? oink oink oink. :P |
| 22:18.04 | me_here | anyone's seen miss piggy ? |
| 22:18.09 | enouf | No I did not .. thanks |
| 22:18.25 | itchi | DUAL_MAN: mutt?? :-) |
| 22:18.43 | enouf | I don;t do email |
| 22:19.01 | bokey | DUAL_MAN, i second it. it's probably mutt. |
| 22:19.27 | blondie | I hate mutt |
| 22:19.35 | teledyn_ | DUAL_MAN: i use mutt + fetchmail + procmail + nbsmtp for outgoing = mail client |
| 22:19.53 | bokey | itchi, cube 2 is serious fun. played a 3 hr session yesterday. :P |
| 22:20.02 | bokey | itchi, non stop |
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| 22:20.25 | teledyn_ | DUAL_MAN: + spamassassin of course |
| 22:20.38 | itchi | bokey: I try to learn 'quilt', (i'm package the maniadrive and need to play with an patch system) |
| 22:20.40 | bokey | blondie, i use icedove. |
| 22:20.43 | DUAL_MAN | how is thunderbird? |
| 22:20.48 | bokey | itchi, ok |
| 22:20.50 | itchi | blondie: Sorry, a |
| 22:21.01 | bokey | DUAL_MAN, icedove == thunderbird |
| 22:21.03 | bokey | !icedove |
| 22:21.04 | dpkg | icedove is, like, due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 22:21.10 | itchi | blondie: I not forget you, just that sad thing that still leave :-) |
| 22:21.22 | charzero | I'm looking at the etch installer. loop-aes is considered significantly more secure than dm-crypt, right? |
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| 22:21.47 | DUAL_MAN | dpkg: iceweasel |
| 22:21.48 | dpkg | it has been said that iceweasel is the name of debian's fork of firefox. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from gnu (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. iceweasel in debian is currently only available for unstable, ask me: <why is iceweasel not in testing>, or ask me about <why iceweasel> |
| 22:22.19 | itchi | bokey: Once i get it, gona try cube |
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| 22:22.38 | bokey | itchi, :) come there we are gonna kick some ass :) |
| 22:22.56 | chance2105 | What init.d service in Etch starts inetd? There doesn't appear to be an /etc/init.d/inetd .. |
| 22:23.02 | MatBoy | when I add a private internal IP on eth1 and also on another machine, they can;t ping.... also not with the FW off... how is this possible ? |
| 22:23.15 | itchi | bokey: Run you sid? |
| 22:23.28 | bokey | itchi, etch testing. |
| 22:23.33 | bokey | itchi, and u ? |
| 22:23.38 | dn4 | I am trying to change my xorg.conf files after install nvidia-glx on etch. I ended up getting diff: /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum: No such file or directory |
| 22:23.55 | itchi | bokey: Same (you :-p), not find the cube here |
| 22:24.00 | prolific- | MatBoy, What are the internal IP addresses of both machines and how are they connected? |
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| 22:24.15 | bokey | itchi, get the source. |
| 22:24.16 | bokey | itchi, wait. |
| 22:24.19 | MatBoy | prolific-, they are connected by a switch, simple HP |
| 22:24.24 | bokey | itchi, i |
| 22:24.26 | itchi | bokey: I'm not an gamer, just like some time to play a little bit :-) Lack of time |
| 22:24.30 | bokey | itchi, i'll give you the link |
| 22:24.35 | bokey | itchi, same here :P |
| 22:24.37 | MatBoy | prolific-, IP's are 10.10.10.5 and 10.10.10.17 |
| 22:25.21 | MatBoy | prolific-, on eth0 they have a public-addres... I need an internal network :) |
| 22:25.42 | bokey | chance2105, openbsd-inetd in your /etc/init.d |
| 22:26.20 | bokey | itchi, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=102911 |
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| 22:26.20 | chance2105 | bokey: Thanks. |
| 22:26.20 | prolific- | MatBoy, Check to see if you have a default gateway established. Or at the least, a default route to 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 22:26.28 | bokey | chance2105, np |
| 22:26.40 | MatBoy | prolific-, I added one, but do I need a gateway, I think I don't |
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| 22:26.57 | prolific- | MatBoy, You don't need one |
| 22:27.15 | MatBoy | prolific-, I already thought so |
| 22:27.18 | MatBoy | prolific-, here: 10.10.10.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 22:27.37 | bokey | itchi, you need libSDL-* and libSDL-*-dev packages to compile sauerbraten |
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| 22:28.11 | bokey | itchi, since debian devs aren't going to put it in the repo, :( |
| 22:28.13 | itchi | bokey: hhhmm, i think it's go for tomorrow :-/ Like it's already late today |
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| 22:28.29 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. :) sure we'll play later. |
| 22:28.34 | itchi | bokey: Want first finish my package and understand that quilt |
| 22:28.55 | prolific- | MatBoy, tcpdump and see if your machine finds a suitable device to send the packets |
| 22:28.59 | bokey | itchi, :) |
| 22:29.07 | itchi | bokey: ... before playing :-) (first need to work, then a recompensation, maybe this night i install it :-)) |
| 22:29.11 | prolific- | MatBoy, Or, if the HP is a managed switch, check to see if it's receiving packets |
| 22:29.37 | bokey | itchi, it's a really good game. probably you'll like it. |
| 22:29.42 | MatBoy | prolific-, unmanaged :) so that's why it's so strange |
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| 22:29.57 | dn4 | nice nvidia-xconfig <-- did everything for me |
| 22:30.07 | prolific- | MatBoy, Neither machine can ping the other? |
| 22:30.13 | MatBoy | prolific-, indeed |
| 22:30.21 | dn4 | now if only I had a simple script to run apt-get install nvidia-xconfig; nvidia-xconfig |
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| 22:30.39 | prolific- | hm |
| 22:30.40 | itchi | bokey: Yeah, the screenshots are cool too |
| 22:30.47 | andriijas | to install debian do i need all of these cds or can i just get nr1 ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:31.06 | bokey | itchi, i get about 85-90 FPS which is OK. there are lots of euro servers. |
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| 22:31.26 | itchi | andriijas: Or you can take the netinstall cd, if you have an good ISP with broadband |
| 22:31.31 | protocol1 | Im trying to load the latest wine on etch....anyone? |
| 22:31.34 | prolific- | MatBoy, Out of curiosity, why are you using a class A address with a /32? |
| 22:31.47 | itchi | andriijas: Mostly, users take the netinst cd or the first 2 cd's of the whole set |
| 22:31.48 | andriijas | itchi: i dont find any in the test weekly |
| 22:31.55 | MatBoy | prolific-, simpler to type :) |
| 22:32.03 | protocol1 | dpkg wine |
| 22:32.04 | dpkg | it has been said that wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:32.08 | andriijas | itchi: ok thx |
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| 22:32.21 | itchi | ow, smart guy |
| 22:33.02 | prolific- | MatBoy, Check tcpdump or ethereal? |
| 22:33.16 | MatBoy | prolific-, checking already |
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| 22:33.38 | MatBoy | prolific-, it's working |
| 22:33.45 | MatBoy | prolific-, I needed some time I thim |
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| 22:33.51 | MatBoy | think |
| 22:33.57 | prolific- | MatBoy, Time for what? |
| 22:34.06 | MatBoy | the route I guess |
| 22:34.12 | itchi | bokey: Know you why cube would not be added? |
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| 22:34.20 | prolific- | MatBoy, I don't get it |
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| 22:34.29 | protocol2 | dpkg wine |
| 22:34.29 | dpkg | methinks wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:34.34 | MatBoy | prolific-, in the first way it was not working |
| 22:34.46 | MatBoy | I added the route, didn;t work, removed it... works |
| 22:34.47 | bokey | itchi, because of incompatible license. |
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| 22:35.07 | itchi | bokey: Also for non-free or in contrib? |
| 22:35.11 | prolific- | MatBoy, Interesting. What is the entire output of /sbin/route? |
| 22:35.21 | bokey | itchi, and also some of the devs and cube2 developers had a pretty strong verbal exchange. |
| 22:35.26 | bokey | itchi, yeah! |
| 22:35.43 | MatBoy | prolific-, I can't post that here... 5 lines :) |
| 22:35.55 | prolific- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.56 | itchi | bokey: Also debian-multimedia maybe |
| 22:36.01 | MatBoy | prolific-, ok |
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| 22:36.23 | bokey | itchi, no. they said. #debian-games @ oftc. you were there. weren't you itchi ? |
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| 22:36.56 | itchi | bokey: Looking to the screenshots, personally find it stupid (for the less i have see about the game), to not add it. Like us miss some 3D games |
| 22:37.10 | bokey | itchi, yeah i complained that too |
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| 22:37.24 | itchi | bokey: I am on #debian-games |
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| 22:37.41 | bokey | itchi, ok |
| 22:38.19 | mhall | Can anybody suggest an alternative graphucal BT client besides azureus, which does not use libtorrent? Apparently libtorrent has some bugs, which make many trackers angry... |
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| 22:40.16 | tuv | mhall, i failed to find a decent azureus replacement, although i haven't looked hard |
| 22:40.30 | tarzeau | mhall!! |
| 22:40.38 | tarzeau | tuv: i like limewire and ktorrent |
| 22:40.58 | morto | tarzeau sucks |
| 22:41.06 | tarzeau | gift? |
| 22:41.07 | tuv | tarzeau, can you donwload some files with them and ignore the rest? |
| 22:41.25 | tarzeau | tuv: w/ ktorrent? yes |
| 22:41.32 | morto | tarzeau sucks |
| 22:41.33 | kastberg | rtorrent takes a while getting used to but is pretty ok, useful to run in a screen |
| 22:41.38 | tarzeau | morto: why? |
| 22:41.47 | morto | because |
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| 22:42.37 | itchi | I use a bit of Amule, are happy of it |
| 22:42.54 | morto | why |
| 22:42.59 | DUAL_MAN | does gnome have something equivalant to the contol-center in kde |
| 22:43.04 | morto | why |
| 22:43.32 | danielmccauley | Hoping someone can assist me: I installed Debian "sarge' on my Powerbook G4 today, but cannot start X and gives me an error can't load |
| 22:43.34 | dn4 | Getting a Fatal error doing the debian way for installing nvidia on etch http://paste.debian.net/index.php |
| 22:43.43 | morto | why |
| 22:43.45 | tuv | DUAL_MAN, the 'Desktop' menu |
| 22:43.48 | morto | why |
| 22:43.56 | tarzeau | mhall: while listening to which classical music? |
| 22:44.03 | morto | why |
| 22:44.04 | itchi | kick morto! |
| 22:44.05 | tarzeau | !eat morto |
| 22:44.19 | Shadowcat | !ops morto's being an idiot |
| 22:44.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: shadowcat complains about: morto's being an idiot |
| 22:44.25 | bokey | !abuse |
| 22:44.25 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 22:44.27 | DUAL_MAN | tuv: nothing there, what is it called so i can install it |
| 22:44.27 | morto | tarzeau sucks |
| 22:44.34 | tarzeau | morto: wedsch paar ad fressi? |
| 22:44.34 | itchi | He make noise in other chans too |
| 22:44.40 | bokey | hehe |
| 22:44.49 | morto | tarzeau sucks |
| 22:45.03 | itchi | !kick morto is a stupid bot |
| 22:45.04 | danielmccauley | Anyone running Debian on a powerbook? |
| 22:45.06 | tarzeau | itchi: some eidgenoessischer idiot |
| 22:45.08 | tuv | DUAL_MAN, it's not a single app like kontrol center. rather all the entries in the 'Desktop' menu under both 'Preferences' and 'Administration' |
| 22:45.13 | Shadowcat | morto does realize that any one of the regulars in here can 0wn him in about 10 min right? |
| 22:45.18 | streuner | Shadowcat: isn't that too hard to formulate such things otherwise...? |
| 22:45.19 | tarzeau | danielmccauley: sure, those in #debianppc ? |
| 22:45.29 | danielmccauley | ohhh gracias |
| 22:45.49 | Shadowcat | I mean there's a wonderful way to ensure that a troll doesn't come online again |
| 22:45.51 | tuv | dn4, did you actually paste the error? |
| 22:45.54 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.56 | Shadowcat | break into the box, compile the modules for bios flashing |
| 22:46.03 | morto | tarzeau sucks |
| 22:46.04 | Shadowcat | and then cat /dev/urandom into the bios |
| 22:46.04 | itchi | morto: Banned of #gentoo, ask why!! |
| 22:46.04 | dn4 | tuv: yes |
| 22:46.07 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: there's flashrom you know |
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| 22:46.10 | morto | tarzeau sucks |
| 22:46.18 | tarzeau | morto: yeah i suck, my girlfriend. so what? |
| 22:46.18 | tuv | dn4, then paste the valid link |
| 22:46.20 | streuner | ignore this troll |
| 22:46.25 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: you can flash most common bios chips in Linux now |
| 22:46.25 | morto | tarzeau sucks |
| 22:46.25 | tarzeau | morto: can you just fuck off? |
| 22:46.26 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 22:46.27 | dn4 | http://paste.debian.net/19049 |
| 22:46.28 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@212-41-92-53.adsl.solnet.ch] by azeem |
| 22:46.28 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 22:46.29 | streuner | Don't feed him |
| 22:46.30 | tuv | dn4, you pasted the paster's homepage |
| 22:46.32 | streuner | or so :-) |
| 22:46.33 | Shadowcat | thanks azeem |
| 22:46.36 | me_here | lol |
| 22:46.43 | dn4 | tuv: my bad |
| 22:46.44 | tuv | !lol |
| 22:46.44 | azeem | tarzeau: can you please 1) check your language 2) not feed trolls |
| 22:46.45 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 22:46.45 | itchi | !beer azeem |
| 22:46.47 | itchi | :-) |
| 22:47.10 | tarzeau | i can never resist to pick a chocolate if there's one in my visible near |
| 22:47.12 | rahul | LLlllllooooOOOOOooooolllllLLLLLL!!!!~~!~1121233#2355!^ |
| 22:47.15 | tarzeau | so no to 2) |
| 22:47.18 | dn4 | tuv: thought the upload button gave me the website and I copied and pasted with out loooking. gezz i'm out of it today |
| 22:47.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
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| 22:47.25 | azeem | rahul: stop that |
| 22:47.41 | streuner | tarzeau: we are more than one guy here, so respect that. |
| 22:47.44 | azeem | morto, rahul: you've been silenced for 10 miinutes |
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| 22:47.57 | Shadowcat | is it Sunday today? |
| 22:48.02 | tarzeau | streuner: try to have an op faster next time, and 2) won't ever happen |
| 22:48.02 | eduhat | hey guys. how would i change my resolution of the screen? |
| 22:48.04 | Shadowcat | because trolls seem aplenty |
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| 22:48.21 | itchi | Shadowcat: Yeah, it's holliday :-/ |
| 22:48.26 | jello | eduhat: ctrl-alt-+ |
| 22:48.42 | streuner | trolls are usually bored, that's why the have such ideas... |
| 22:48.52 | eduhat | jello: isnt it some dpkg command? |
| 22:48.54 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 22:48.55 | streuner | if they are busy, nothing happens |
| 22:49.01 | azeem | tarzeau: because you trolled around with !eat and other stuff, I had to read scrollback more carefully before I silenced him |
| 22:49.12 | dn4 | tuv: Do you think I should install the drivers from the website that dmesg gives? |
| 22:49.12 | Shadowcat | trolls think they're anonymous on IRC |
| 22:49.16 | me_here | !nickometer me_here |
| 22:49.17 | dpkg | 'me_here' is 14.000% lame, me_here |
| 22:49.25 | Shadowcat | but we have enough information to make their lives a living hell |
| 22:49.31 | dn4 | !nickometer dn4 |
| 22:49.31 | danielmccauley | Can anyone help out with configuring my Xserver to run Gnome with my Powerbook G4? |
| 22:49.32 | dpkg | 'dn4' is 14.000% lame, dn4 |
| 22:49.40 | Shadowcat | I usually let a few trolls know that |
| 22:49.45 | Shadowcat | then they just keep silent |
| 22:50.06 | jello | eduhat: did that work? |
| 22:50.10 | me_here | perfect fit ? |
| 22:50.17 | eduhat | nope |
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| 22:50.25 | me_here | can i have your phone number ? |
| 22:50.28 | me_here | lol |
| 22:50.38 | jello | eduhat: then try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:50.47 | tuv | dn4, i haven't seen the error yet, do you have the correct link? |
| 22:50.54 | protocol2 | how to I extract a tar.bz2 file |
| 22:50.59 | protocol2 | via console? |
| 22:51.06 | azeem | !tar |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 22:51.10 | dn4 | tuv: already posted it |
| 22:51.11 | jello | eduhat: or xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:51.14 | blondie | hm |
| 22:51.19 | jello | eduhat: depending on what you're running... |
| 22:51.28 | dn4 | tuv: http://paste.debian.net/19049 |
| 22:52.07 | blondie | what's the "correct" way to replace bash with bash3 in sarge? |
| 22:52.09 | blondie | !bash3 |
| 22:52.12 | blondie | !bash |
| 22:52.12 | dpkg | methinks bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 22:52.15 | streuner | heh |
| 22:52.21 | streuner | its already in debian |
| 22:52.27 | blondie | yes, but as "bash3" |
| 22:52.34 | streuner | hm |
| 22:52.35 | tuv | dn4, there are nvidia-legacy-* packages for debian. use them instead of the nvidia-* packages you installed |
| 22:52.39 | itchi | Which patch system use Debian devs usually? |
| 22:52.40 | eduhat | jello: thank you |
| 22:52.41 | abrotman | tuv: your bug sucks! |
| 22:52.51 | tarzeau | itchi: there's not one, dpatch is one of them |
| 22:52.53 | azeem | itchi: there are several |
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| 22:52.59 | tuv | abrotman, care to explain? |
| 22:53.00 | blondie | I could rm bash and rename bash3, but it sounds naughty :O |
| 22:53.05 | dn4 | tuv: ok will try that back to step one :) |
| 22:53.07 | abrotman | tuv: joking! .. don't hurt me! |
| 22:53.24 | itchi | azeem: Yeah, playing with quilt right now, dunno if it's used many by Debian devs |
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| 22:53.47 | itchi | tarzeau: I put it on my list :-) |
| 22:54.01 | tuv | great.. now i have stockers |
| 22:54.13 | blondie | anyone? :'( |
| 22:54.23 | me_here | blondie ? |
| 22:54.26 | azeem | itchi: quilt and dpatch are both fine |
| 22:54.26 | tuv | oops.. stalkers |
| 22:54.31 | tarzeau | itchi: you got addicted by making debian packages? |
| 22:54.44 | itchi | tarzeau: Not you?? :-p |
| 22:55.01 | tarzeau | itchi: me? noly if it's high quality software, that nobody else packages |
| 22:55.09 | deadcat_ | i am having problem with debootstrap |
| 22:55.16 | streuner | uh |
| 22:55.22 | eduhat | Guerin: you there? |
| 22:55.24 | tarzeau | deadcat_: installing which of debian? |
| 22:55.26 | deadcat_ | root@hades:~# debootstrap sarge /nfsroot-x86 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/, i get W: Failure trying to run: chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 22:55.30 | streuner | why not asking dondelelcaro? |
| 22:55.43 | Cyis | quilt? |
| 22:55.46 | itchi | Dunno which, but become crazy of my box, to nice :-) |
| 22:55.53 | streuner | he has experience with debootstrap |
| 22:55.59 | deadcat_ | streuner: oh. |
| 22:56.01 | itchi | s/which/why/ |
| 22:56.25 | deadcat_ | i am trying to setup /nfsroot-x86 on my "server" so i can install debian to the cobalt qube3... |
| 22:56.27 | streuner | deadcat_: sure, most people i know don't have any experience at all, they usually just use d-i |
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| 22:56.37 | wireddd | I just replaced the two video cards I had in my box with one dual head card, how do I need to tell xorg to use the second vga our? |
| 22:56.38 | Cyis | itchi: what's quilt? I hadn't heard of it myself |
| 22:56.56 | itchi | Cyis: apt-cache search|show quilt :-) |
| 22:57.10 | wireddd | s/our/out/ |
| 22:57.29 | itchi | Cyis: At this stage, i know to less about it, i have broken the test stuff with it haha :-) |
| 22:57.32 | deadcat_ | by the way.. how do i use a db9 female serial cable? the qube3 doesnt have screen or keyboard. and i've never used a serial cable before. http://www.timntina.com/debian-sarge-cobalt-install |
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| 22:57.39 | itchi | Cyis: I still learn it too |
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| 22:57.57 | charzero | When the installer docs say that only passphrase encryption is supported by the graphical installer, does "graphical" mean gtk, or gtk and newt? |
| 22:58.04 | tarzeau | deadcat_: got minicom? |
| 22:58.18 | me_here | ac/dc dc/ac converters in software ? |
| 22:58.26 | tarzeau | deadcat_: connect the cable from the cube to a pc, run minicom COM1 is ttyS0 |
| 22:58.34 | tarzeau | deadcat_: try 9600,n,8 |
| 22:58.51 | deadcat_ | tarzeau: oh.. and it will automatically connect? |
| 22:58.55 | Cyis | itchi: hmm... I use CDBS on one of my packages already IIRC... might have to look at it |
| 22:58.57 | tarzeau | deadcat_: probably |
| 22:58.59 | deadcat_ | ah |
| 22:59.32 | Cyis | deadcat_: how's the weather there in the bay area today? |
| 22:59.39 | itchi | Cyis: I add it on my list :-) |
| 22:59.55 | deadcat_ | Cyis: just started to sprinkle (= |
| 23:00.31 | Kim^J_ | Why do you need to destroy the Apache package! |
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| 23:00.35 | Kim^J_ | Let's recompile. |
| 23:01.04 | Cyis | deadcat_: I can honestly say I don't miss my bay area commute :) |
| 23:01.15 | deadcat_ | Cyis: you moved? where at? |
| 23:01.34 | Cyis | deadcat_: just a small move *snicker* I'm back in the Atlanta, GA area now |
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| 23:02.11 | deadcat_ | Cyis: ah... the dirty south eh?> (= |
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| 23:02.32 | Techno`OQP | Hi all, please how do i make for change the password of the database mysql please ? |
| 23:03.00 | Cyis | deadcat_: yeah... but if I can manage it I'm gonna try and make it back for LWE. Might even be able to get my client to pay for most of it if I schedule a big maintenance window during that time period :) |
| 23:03.18 | deadcat_ | nice |
| 23:04.01 | tuv | abrotman, maybe my bug would have been more cute with your if it included your recommendation to post it |
| 23:04.16 | tuv | abrotman, maybe my bug would have been more cute if it included your recommendation to post it |
| 23:04.33 | Cyis | deadcat_: yeah... we'll see how that works out :) |
| 23:04.45 | deadcat_ | so i should wait for dondelelcaro to ask about debootstrap stuff? |
| 23:05.12 | streuner | i don't know somebody else who answered debootstrap questions |
| 23:05.30 | azeem | deadcat_: did you try to run that command manually? |
| 23:05.40 | deadcat_ | azeem: ya. |
| 23:06.02 | azeem | deadcat_: also, it's a W: not an E: |
| 23:06.08 | deadcat_ | azeem: i ran that on my desktop which will be the server for the install |
| 23:06.25 | dn4 | tuv: hmmm the legacy drivers worked :) Horray for ETCH |
| 23:06.31 | deadcat_ | azeem: ya. W, W: Failure trying to run: chroot /nfsroot-x86 mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 23:07.09 | azeem | deadcat_: so any errors? |
| 23:07.16 | azeem | or are you just curious about the warning? |
| 23:07.20 | deadcat_ | azeem: ya. that was the error |
| 23:08.03 | azeem | it's a warning |
| 23:08.04 | itchi | Techno`OQP: You need to ask that on #mysql :-) |
| 23:08.29 | Techno`OQP | ok |
| 23:08.33 | deadcat_ | azeem: some packages like apt apt-util was not extracted in the /nfsroot-x86 dir. and when i chroto /nfsroot-x86 and run apt-get, command not there.. and mount wont let me mount /proc in the chroot |
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| 23:08.38 | dromer | I have no recollection of setting a mysql-pw, though I can't login with either root or user -pw's |
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| 23:08.50 | Cald | hello |
| 23:08.57 | azeem | deadcat_: ok, so what is the error on a manual mount? |
| 23:09.08 | Cald | how can i change the charset used by bash plz ? |
| 23:09.11 | deadcat_ | azeem: let me chroot into it |
| 23:09.29 | deadcat_ | azeem: mount: permission denied |
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| 23:09.33 | joeamined | hi everybody |
| 23:09.38 | dn4 | Anyone know how I could get a netinstall of debian to boot off a usb thumb stick? |
| 23:09.39 | deadcat_ | I have no name!@hades:/# mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 23:09.49 | joeamined | i have a trust webcam that i'd like to use on debian |
| 23:09.53 | azeem | deadcat_: is this some vserver or so? |
| 23:09.55 | joeamined | how can i do this |
| 23:10.06 | deadcat_ | azeem: no. my desktop 800mhz p3 |
| 23:10.30 | deadcat_ | azeem: i do have grsec compiled into the kernel though.. that MIGHT be it? |
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| 23:10.41 | azeem | deadcat_: dunno |
| 23:10.42 | jelly-home | deadcat_: that IS it. |
| 23:10.46 | deadcat_ | jelly-home: DOH (= |
| 23:10.49 | azeem | jelly-home: are you sure |
| 23:10.52 | azeem | ? |
| 23:11.02 | jelly-home | deadcat_: grsec is very restrictive with what you can do in chroot. |
| 23:11.08 | deadcat_ | ah |
| 23:11.35 | jelly-home | deadcat_: can be changed at compile time, not sure about runtime. |
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| 23:11.53 | deadcat_ | k.. good to know.. |
| 23:12.00 | joeamined | please how to install a webcam on debian |
| 23:12.07 | deadcat_ | can i chroot into a 386 arch on my ppc? (= |
| 23:12.11 | jelly-home | deadcat_: look at your kern.log or dmesg, you ought to see grsec complaining |
| 23:12.11 | Cald | or changing the charset of the system plz? |
| 23:12.13 | streuner | joeamined: find a driver |
| 23:12.17 | azeem | deadcat_: no |
| 23:12.19 | deadcat_ | jelly-home: thanks |
| 23:12.32 | itchi | joeamined: Maybe can help this http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=97 |
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| 23:12.41 | protocol2 | i sure hope this works |
| 23:12.41 | tarzeau | Cald: in the console? |
| 23:12.44 | deadcat_ | jelly-home: ya. its complaining... |
| 23:12.52 | tarzeau | Cald: there's setfont,consolechars and svgatextmode |
| 23:12.56 | jelly-home | deadcat_: but you can do mount -t proc proc /wherever/your/chroot/proc outside, then chroot |
| 23:13.02 | Cald | in console mode y |
| 23:13.09 | joeamined | thanks itchi |
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| 23:13.30 | tarzeau | Cald: i use something like: consolechars -1f ocr.fnt |
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| 23:13.33 | itchi | joeamined: There's not many to talk about it, plug it in, use an tool; done :-) |
| 23:13.33 | Cald | but all my programs doesn't use the good charset, is there a way to change the charset of the whole system? |
| 23:13.43 | tarzeau | Cald: http://gnu.ethz.ch/gnustep/ocr.fnt |
| 23:13.46 | deadcat_ | jelly-home: i did that.. but the debootstrap command still W on that and it will umount it.. and chroot didnt extract apt or apt-util so i cant really run apt-setup inside the chroot |
| 23:13.56 | tarzeau | Cald: how do you define a good charset? |
| 23:13.59 | dromer | I have no recollection of setting a mysql-pw, though I can't login with either root or user -pm's |
| 23:14.02 | tarzeau | Cald: and can you name some of your programs? |
| 23:14.14 | tarzeau | Cald: and is your console textmode or framebuffer? |
| 23:14.38 | jelly-home | deadcat_: tough cookies. I "resolved" that by booting a non-grsec kernel :-| |
| 23:14.48 | deadcat_ | jelly-home: (= |
| 23:14.52 | Cald | faut exemple, "date" return dA@cembre instead of décembre |
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| 23:15.06 | tarzeau | Cald: that's because it's UTF-8 |
| 23:15.13 | tarzeau | Cald: is that in bash? |
| 23:15.22 | Cald | yes |
| 23:15.38 | tarzeau | Cald: sorry, i use the console with "C" |
| 23:15.40 | itchi | Cald: mercredi 27 décembre 2006, 00:15:27 (UTC+0100) |
| 23:15.49 | itchi | Cald: French too? |
| 23:15.53 | Cald | but the whole system use UTF-8, how can i set ISO-8859-15 instead ? |
| 23:16.11 | tarzeau | Cald: type locale |
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| 23:16.29 | tarzeau | Cald: then locale --help; man locale |
| 23:16.33 | Cald | ok |
| 23:17.00 | Cald | i know its possible, i have another server which use ISO-8859 by default, but don't know how to change :/ |
| 23:17.21 | tarzeau | Cald: you know about backticks, right? |
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| 23:17.50 | itchi | Cald: Maybe you want dpkg-reconfigure locale and set the defualt one? |
| 23:18.00 | Cald | backsticks for ? |
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| 23:18.32 | Cald | nop, itchi, doesn't worl |
| 23:18.34 | Stalwart | when newer kernel will be available? |
| 23:18.36 | Cald | *doesn't work |
| 23:18.39 | Stalwart | i need .19 |
| 23:18.53 | itchi | Cald: Here it is LANG=fr_BE.UTF-8 |
| 23:19.02 | HymnToLife | Stalwart, upgrade to FEisty, or compile it yourself |
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| 23:19.50 | Stalwart | HymnToLife: in ubuntu almost every app depends on gnome or kde, i like debian better |
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| 23:20.02 | Cald | which configuration file should i mod to keep LANG=fr_FR.ISO-8859-15 definitive ? |
| 23:20.10 | alexcamilo | Is it possible to use a python script in place of a bash script in the init.d startup system |
| 23:20.13 | HymnToLife | oh damn sorry |
| 23:20.18 | HymnToLife | though I was in #ubuntu |
| 23:20.18 | pipeline | alexcamilo: Yes. |
| 23:20.31 | HymnToLife | thought* |
| 23:20.53 | HymnToLife | doesnt's Sid have a 2.6.19 ? |
| 23:21.00 | alexcamilo | so... all i would have to do is have the python script return the right info and accept the start/stop/restart argument? or is there more? |
| 23:21.00 | HymnToLife | doesn't* |
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| 23:21.17 | rahul | alexcamilo: that's all |
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| 23:21.26 | alexcamilo | hmm |
| 23:21.30 | alexcamilo | sweet |
| 23:21.42 | alexcamilo | thanx |
| 23:21.46 | protocol2 | doest compiling really take that long? |
| 23:22.16 | Stalwart | i'll need to build kernel, nvidia, uvc, ndiswrapper... i'll end up with slackware =P |
| 23:22.18 | protocol2 | its being going on and on |
| 23:22.29 | pipeline | Stalwart: module-assistant |
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| 23:24.18 | itchi | alexcamilo: See sys.argv and #Python |
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| 23:30.54 | protocol2 | after compling something whats usually the next step |
| 23:31.11 | protocol2 | Im looking for a .deb |
| 23:31.32 | jelly-home | protocol2: what's wrong with wine package in Debian? |
| 23:31.44 | blondie | compiling doesn't usually result in a .dev |
| 23:31.45 | blondie | *deb |
| 23:31.52 | itchi | protocol2: With dpkg-buildpackage ?? |
| 23:32.09 | protocol2 | I had it but it doesnt work for me |
| 23:32.13 | blondie | you install stuff in /usr/local or opt |
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| 23:32.22 | blondie | protocol2: maybe you should try and fix that ;) what's wrong with it? |
| 23:32.39 | protocol2 | let me get it on here again |
| 23:32.59 | itchi | protocol2: You want to follow the debian way |
| 23:33.18 | rhsanborn | Is there another channel for unstable? |
| 23:33.30 | itchi | rhsanborn: Is there yet one? |
| 23:33.50 | rhsanborn | ? |
| 23:33.51 | protocol2 | debian way? |
| 23:33.53 | blondie | HALLOWED ARE THE DEBIANS |
| 23:34.03 | jelly-home | blondie: wtf |
| 23:34.08 | itchi | protocol2: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 23:34.09 | karsten | rhsanborn: No, here. |
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| 23:34.20 | blondie | jelly-home: what? :P |
| 23:34.26 | karsten | protocol2: ... and the intersection of Ubuntu Blvd. |
| 23:35.01 | rhsanborn | Well, I'm currently running unstable....and I'm having trouble finding usb storage devices (thumb drive/secure digital card via usb reader) doesn't debian have some scripts to handle many of these automatically? |
| 23:35.09 | rhsanborn | karsten, thx |
| 23:35.53 | amphi | protocol2: checkinstall perhaps |
| 23:36.01 | itchi | rhsanborn: Look to /msg dpkg listkeys usb |
| 23:36.19 | itchi | rhsanborn: You probably like /msg dpkg search too |
| 23:36.27 | protocol2 | checkinstall? |
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| 23:39.28 | bokey | itchi, #debian-games |
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| 23:39.56 | itchi | bokey: yup yup |
| 23:39.56 | linlin | i loaded a debian system without a GUI and now I want one. What should i apt-get? |
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| 23:40.11 | itchi | linlin: See /msg dpkg install x |
| 23:40.45 | itchi | linlin: Or if you want it the lazy way, 'tasksel' as root user and it install a bunch of stuff, maybe wanted or not |
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| 23:41.10 | linlin | lazy is good |
| 23:41.12 | protocol1 | I keep getting a segmentation fault when I do a winecfg |
| 23:41.18 | protocol1 | I dont know why |
| 23:41.24 | bokey | itchi, i have been able to compile. you can request to put it in contrib |
| 23:41.44 | beardy | protocol1: Are you running it correctly? Are you sure it doesn't need a parameter aswell? |
| 23:41.44 | karsten | protocol1: strace is your friend. |
| 23:41.59 | jelly-home | protocol1: tried moving your current .wine away to see what happens? |
| 23:42.02 | itchi | bokey: Hehe, im not an official DD |
| 23:42.24 | bokey | itchi, :) but we are debianers. no ? |
| 23:42.46 | itchi | bokey: Sure :-) What think tarzeau about the stuff? |
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| 23:42.58 | unseensoul | hi |
| 23:42.59 | bokey | tarzeau, #debian-games |
| 23:43.07 | protocol1 | jelly-home, how do I do that |
| 23:43.18 | protocol1 | remove that whole directory? |
| 23:43.42 | protocol1 | its there but how do I remove it |
| 23:43.51 | jelly-home | protocol1: If you don't have anything important, sure. I was thinking of renaming it. |
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| 23:43.58 | protocol1 | ok |
| 23:44.54 | protocol1 | hwo do I do that? |
| 23:45.32 | beardy | protocol1: mv .wine dot_wine_old |
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| 23:46.06 | protocol1 | ok done |
| 23:46.11 | protocol1 | now what |
| 23:46.51 | beardy | protocol1: RUn it again? |
| 23:46.54 | itchi | protocol1: Retry?? |
| 23:47.29 | protocol1 | Wine has exited with a failure status of 1 |
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| 23:49.18 | alexcamilo | is there any way to get the PID of a process i just started? |
| 23:49.30 | itchi | alexcamilo: pidof |
| 23:49.53 | beardy | WHat itchi said, 'pidof nameofprogram' |
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| 23:50.52 | protocol1 | its trying to safe a config to .wine but says the dir doesnt exsist |
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| 23:51.24 | itchi | protocol1: Create it? |
| 23:51.33 | protocol1 | thats what im thinking |
| 23:51.38 | itchi | protocol1: mkdir .wine |
| 23:51.39 | protocol1 | since I renamed it |
| 23:52.11 | itchi | protocol1: But, wine should create the dir if it's not yet there, a bit weird |
| 23:52.24 | jelly-home | protocol1: now run winecfg |
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| 23:53.47 | protocol1 | dpkg pastebin |
| 23:53.47 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:54.03 | itchi | protocol1: You want /msg dpkg selftell |
| 23:54.11 | beardy | Or |
| 23:54.14 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 23:54.14 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 23:54.28 | itchi | :-) |
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| 23:54.43 | itchi | v.2?? |
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| 23:55.37 | itchi | jelly-home: You skip v.3?? :-) |
| 23:56.32 | jelly-home | itchi: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093044/ |
| 23:56.38 | protocol2 | itchi, heres whats happening http://pastebin.com/845412 |
| 23:57.00 | itchi | jelly-home: hehe |
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| 23:57.42 | CHodapp | stupid stupid application, why must you crash |
| 23:58.24 | itchi | protocol2: I dunno about wine, not use it |
| 23:59.03 | itchi | protocol2: But look in the old dir you have moved, there are some sub-dirs for the win stuff |
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