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| 00:00.12 | itchi | protocol2: Is that an compiled wine version? |
| 00:00.17 | tuv | wow.. rtorrent is really good |
| 00:00.20 | jelly-home | protocol1: that's funny. do you have multiple installations of wine on your system? |
| 00:00.27 | jelly-home | er. |
| 00:00.30 | tuv | looks as featre-rich as azureaus to me |
| 00:00.39 | protocol2 | its from debian repos |
| 00:00.45 | itchi | sad, s/an/a/ |
| 00:01.30 | jelly-home | protocol2: oh, so you didn't install your wine compiled from source? |
| 00:02.06 | protocol2 | no |
| 00:02.24 | protocol2 | had it compiling but never installed it |
| 00:02.33 | h3sp4wn | rtorrent is fine but it does use libtorrent (which certain trackers don't like for some reason) |
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| 00:02.37 | jelly-home | protocol2: please state the versions of the wine packages. dpkg -l wine libwine wine-utils |grep ^i |
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| 00:03.51 | jelly-home | protocol1: might be you have mismatched versions, I don't see a reason why winecfg would segfault |
| 00:04.36 | aidan | How would I add a custom log file to logwatch? |
| 00:04.36 | protocol2 | jelly-home, all three are 0.9.25-1 |
| 00:05.22 | protocol2 | I changed that folders name back |
| 00:05.59 | itchi | protocol2: Take an look to the old stuff you have moved?? |
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| 00:07.00 | protocol2 | I moved it back to its original spot |
| 00:07.08 | protocol2 | http://pastebin.com/845424 |
| 00:07.18 | protocol2 | thats what I get when I try to run it |
| 00:07.56 | Cyis | heading home |
| 00:08.04 | protocol2 | ring any bells? |
| 00:08.29 | CHodapp | Do any of you use jackd, especially on AMD64? |
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| 00:09.09 | jelly-home | protocol2: that's just a segfault, like the other one. |
| 00:09.37 | protocol1 | jelly-home, mismatched versions any ways to fix that? |
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| 00:12.14 | infernix | what stripe blocksize shall I choose for raid 0/5/10 for a desktop? 128k? |
| 00:12.16 | jelly-home | protocol2: well, they're not mismatches if they're all at the same version... |
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| 00:13.18 | protocol2 | there must be a command to remove wine completely including dirs |
| 00:13.31 | Milardovich | hi |
| 00:13.33 | protocol2 | like purge or something |
| 00:13.38 | infernix | dpkg --purge [package] |
| 00:13.47 | Milardovich | bye |
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| 00:14.12 | jelly-home | protocol2: apt-get --purge libwine wine wine-utils should do the trick |
| 00:14.26 | protocol1 | ok |
| 00:14.31 | protocol1 | will give it a try |
| 00:14.33 | inetd | infernix: 128k or 256k would do |
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| 00:15.13 | itchi | heh, spam and run haha |
| 00:15.32 | mhall | Does anybody know of a higher level language than C / C++ which has an opensource compiler / interpreter and supports unsigned types, structures, and bitfields? I'd really prefer avoiding C/C++ and using something more sophisticated if I can. |
| 00:15.36 | infernix | inetd: i understand that it's heavily dependant on the type of work but I already figured 64k is not very well suited for desktop usage, just wondering if there's any data backing these choices |
| 00:15.45 | infernix | i took 128k for now |
| 00:16.16 | beardy | mhall: Hi. :) Hmm, do I have to be ashamed if I say, python perhaps? |
| 00:16.32 | mhall | beardy: if it has those features that'd be sweet |
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| 00:16.44 | nvz | I bit my lip when I thought of saying python |
| 00:16.48 | mhall | beardy: problem i have had is finding one which allows bitfields in a struct |
| 00:16.54 | beardy | mhall: You have to investigate that furthewr, or ask #python.. |
| 00:17.22 | protocol2 | jelly-home, Invalid operation |
| 00:17.45 | protocol2 | apt-get install --purge? |
| 00:17.49 | infernix | protocol2: use dpkg --purge libwine wine wine-utils should do the trick |
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| 00:17.54 | inetd | infernix: there are few factors when chosing the stripe size...raid level, number of disks, disk rpm, file system, file sizes, number of partitions, etc.. |
| 00:17.55 | jelly-home | protocol2: sorry, apt-get --purge remove ... |
| 00:17.58 | infernix | eep, bad pastage |
| 00:18.12 | protocol2 | heh |
| 00:18.34 | jelly-home | infernix: dpkg will complain about libwine-oss, and similar. |
| 00:18.40 | beardy | mhall: How are you btw? Long time since I saw you. |
| 00:18.59 | infernix | inetd: 2 disks, raid 0, 7200rpm, ext3, 6 partitions (/ /usr /var /home /tmp swap), but of course file sizes is the real kicker here. hard to assess that one |
| 00:19.05 | mhall | beardy: *very* busy |
| 00:19.12 | mhall | beardy: 12 hrs. a day on average |
| 00:19.23 | mhall | beardy: trying to write a tool for testing a DNS tunneling detector |
| 00:19.29 | beardy | mhall: I see, ouch.. No time off for christmas even? |
| 00:19.30 | mhall | beardy: *really* don't want to have to use C |
| 00:19.31 | protocol2 | jelly-home, ok that did it |
| 00:19.44 | protocol2 | should I try and reinstall wine? |
| 00:19.46 | infernix | inetd: with database usage its much more simplified but for desktop usage it'll be a guess either way I suppose |
| 00:19.46 | mhall | beardy: no, i got 5 days vacation for the whole year since June when i started |
| 00:19.50 | mhall | beardy: i used 1 already |
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| 00:20.01 | beardy | mhall: Is it good pay then? |
| 00:20.03 | mhall | beardy: didn't want to waste the other 4 on bad weather and arguing with idiot relatives |
| 00:20.09 | mhall | beardy: ~ $70000 |
| 00:20.35 | infernix | inetd: either way, I made the ext3 with stride=32 (32*4k blocksize = 128k) so should be as good as it can get |
| 00:20.37 | itchi | mhall: That's realy much |
| 00:20.38 | jelly-home | protocol2: probably won't help, but sure, why not |
| 00:20.42 | inetd | infernix: well your setup is quite simple...so i would say go for something like 128k |
| 00:20.47 | protocol2 | well |
| 00:20.59 | protocol2 | what would you suggest |
| 00:21.13 | beardy | mhall: Hehe, no, if you only have those days, I guess there is better things to use them for, sleeping perhaps :) |
| 00:21.52 | jelly-home | protocol2: make a backport package from winehq.com's "Debian" repository. |
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| 00:22.30 | protocol2 | how do I remove a dir and everything inside it via console? |
| 00:22.43 | beardy | mhall: Take care of yourself, don't work _to_ hard, to long atleast. |
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| 00:22.58 | beardy | protocol2: man rm, be careful with what you delete. |
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| 00:23.08 | infernix | inetd: it's just to boost performance a bit on my desktop; the (3ware so hardware) raid0 is backed up to another single disk daily and crucial data is on a raid5 box. it's quite noticeable with qemu for instance so I guess it's fine for now |
| 00:23.17 | mhall | beardy: although i did not completely escape relative arguing |
| 00:23.34 | mhall | beardy: my great uncle scared away our whole dinner party with some inappropriately crass comments |
| 00:23.55 | jelly-home | protocol2: something like this: "apt-get build-dep wine", add winehq.com deb-src entries to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then do a apt-get -b source wine and hope it'll build the package correctly |
| 00:24.19 | beardy | mhall: I see.. unsuitable even to mention here? |
| 00:24.25 | jelly-home | protocol2: rm -r dir-name |
| 00:24.46 | mhall | beardy: well he went on a rant about how rude one guest was... the guest who tried hardest of all to be nice to him |
| 00:24.47 | infernix | protocol2: note that the winehq package is built with ubuntu in mind so you might need to install the packages you can get and then dpkg-buildpackage -d when you're sure you have all the build dependancies installed |
| 00:24.53 | inetd | infernix: did u use -E stride=32 ? |
| 00:25.00 | infernix | inetd: I did, yes |
| 00:25.02 | mhall | beardy: then he failed to comprehend 1) how rude it was and 2) how it was biting the hand which feeds him |
| 00:25.16 | mhall | beardy: so i made him leave with me and dropped him off at his apt. |
| 00:25.28 | inetd | infernix: so your hardware stripe size is 32k? |
| 00:25.31 | beardy | mhall: Oh.. is he very old, and the one trying to be nice much younger? |
| 00:25.44 | infernix | inetd: according to the manpage, stride is a multitude of the blocksize which is 4k |
| 00:25.56 | infernix | inetd: so 32 * blocksize = 32 * 4k = 128k |
| 00:26.00 | mhall | beardy: then when i got back i called him and told him i'd been nice to him for years because he was related to my mom but that if he ever did that to a family friend ever again, i'd never lift a finger to help him or speak to him ever again for the rest of my life |
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| 00:26.12 | protocol2 | infernix, I will go to thier site and give that a try |
| 00:26.27 | mhall | beardy: i wish my parents weren't so lame-- they should have put their feet down years ago. (and, yes is the answer to your age question) |
| 00:26.30 | infernix | protocol2: it'll build on etch, on sarge you will have a hard time |
| 00:26.56 | protocol2 | I got Etch |
| 00:26.56 | inetd | infernix: well blocksize is different, stride=stripe size |
| 00:27.10 | protocol2 | :) |
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| 00:27.33 | protocol2 | If I can get wine running properly on this machine...Im happy |
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| 00:27.40 | beardy | mhall: If he's somewhat sensible, what you told him would bite on him. |
| 00:27.55 | infernix | inetd: "stride=stripe-size - Configure the filesystem for a RAID array with stripe-size filesystem blocks per stripe." - i read this as stripe-size being the multiplier for the blocksize. is that incorrect? |
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| 00:28.52 | beardy | mhall: I'll detach, take care. |
| 00:29.56 | vinsci | I'm trying to build a vanilla kernel with support for LUKS. Something seems to be missing from the image, but grepping over both debian and vanilla kernel sources for luks turns up nothing. |
| 00:30.13 | mhall | beardy: he's not somewhat sensible |
| 00:30.37 | infernix | vinsci: never heard of luks, i don't think its available in a vanilla kernel; you probably need to patch it |
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| 00:31.04 | inetd | infernix: correct |
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| 00:31.34 | vinsci | luks is supported by the etch installer (it provides transparent full encryption of disks) |
| 00:31.53 | toraton | Hi. wodim is giving me the error, "Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second." Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:32.06 | toraton | I've solved it by using OLDATAPI, but I figure that's not a great workaround |
| 00:32.12 | infernix | vinsci: oh, that. isnt that done with dmcrypt? |
| 00:32.49 | vinsci | infernix, yes. So I guess the question is how to get that on the initrd |
| 00:33.00 | Techno`OQP | who make for add a database on mysql and define the password with putty please ? |
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| 00:33.20 | inetd | infernix: actually stride = stripe-size / blocks |
| 00:34.17 | inetd | infernix: so if you have hardware raid with stripe 128k stride should be 128k/4k |
| 00:34.25 | vinsci | infernix, actually, the vanilla kernel prompts for the LUKS password, but doesn't succeed to unlock the partitions, so something is missing. The new kernel includes the needed cipher |
| 00:34.34 | inetd | brb |
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| 00:38.08 | eduhat | how do i install a 2.8.18 kernel in sarge? |
| 00:38.12 | documan | those pringles, all have the same size and shape that make me believe they are artificial |
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| 00:38.29 | protocol1 | Im making a .deb package |
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| 00:39.36 | protocol1 | god I hope it works |
| 00:39.43 | eduhat | does anyone know how to get a 2.8.18 kernel in sarge? |
| 00:39.47 | teledyn_ | eduhat: with aptitude? |
| 00:39.54 | eduhat | teledyn_: yes. that or apt-get |
| 00:40.02 | cwheeler | how do i find a good repository for debian packages? |
| 00:40.04 | teledyn_ | eduhat: but i don't know if that version is in sarge |
| 00:40.34 | eduhat | teledyn_: i did it before with sarge... i used apt-get.. i remember someone told dpkg on this channel to tell me how |
| 00:40.45 | teledyn_ | eduhat: apt-cache search 2.6.18 |
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| 00:41.25 | infernix | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 00:41.25 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 00:42.39 | stoned | ahh |
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| 00:42.51 | stoned | my 750gb was backed up in about 7 hours |
| 00:43.03 | stoned | now I can redo my drives and move my data back |
| 00:43.10 | stoned | god I hate switching file systems |
| 00:43.11 | stoned | :( |
| 00:43.37 | blondie | moo |
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| 00:43.47 | blondie | switching to FAT12? |
| 00:43.48 | infernix | heh, i'm going to grow my 4x320GB raid5 to 8 disks. i think it'll take a few days |
| 00:45.26 | vinsci | stoned, sounds like it might be worth verifying the backup is correct at this stage |
| 00:45.27 | infernix | my only worry is that I can't adjust the XFS sunith and swidth so I think it'll take a minor performance hit |
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| 00:45.37 | stoned | vinsci, oh boy |
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| 00:45.56 | protocol1 | is it a bad idea to run winecfg as root? |
| 00:46.15 | teledyn_ | protocol1: why would you want to run it as root? |
| 00:46.25 | vinsci | stoned, better than finding out later it isn't ;) |
| 00:46.27 | stoned | Ok, I put in a disk of 500GB just now |
| 00:46.34 | stoned | I need some advise, here goes... |
| 00:46.38 | protocol1 | I think I might have done it without thinking earlier |
| 00:46.42 | cwheeler | how do i find debian repositories? |
| 00:46.45 | eduhat | thankyou infernix |
| 00:47.15 | infernix | cwheeler: what software are you looking for |
| 00:47.20 | teledyn_ | protocol1: all it will do is setup .wine under /root which you can delete |
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| 00:47.33 | protocol1 | ok |
| 00:47.45 | protocol1 | but im doinf another install |
| 00:47.46 | luigi_ | hi all, just installed sid and can't get into X, installed xserver-xorg-core and the rest of the basic apps, later i installed x-org, it gives me this error: failed to load module "kbd" (module does not exist,0) and failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist,0) i'm writing from the console, any ideas? |
| 00:47.52 | cwheeler | i'm looking to update my system but i get errors from the repository in my config file |
| 00:47.53 | protocol1 | so... |
| 00:48.02 | protocol1 | hopefully this works |
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| 00:48.25 | beardy | luigi_: Don't run sid if you can't solve that yourself. |
| 00:48.54 | beardy | luigi_: A free hint is check the kernel, perhaps. |
| 00:49.36 | teledyn_ | no i think he's missing some essential x package |
| 00:49.37 | krazykit | luigi_: another hint is to search apt for xorg related packages. |
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| 00:50.03 | protocol1 | then I can load my game |
| 00:50.15 | luigi_ | krazykit: thx pal |
| 00:50.21 | vinsci | luigi_, install xserver-xorg |
| 00:50.40 | cwheeler | oops I accidentally deleted /var/cache/apt/archives/partial, it seems happier now that i put it back |
| 00:50.59 | cwheeler | but it'd be good to know where the list of repositories is |
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| 00:51.35 | itchi | cwheeler: Just use apt-get clean to clear the stuff |
| 00:51.45 | luigi_ | vinsci, thx, although i think i did that after xserver-xorg-core |
| 00:51.55 | alexcamilo | Is there a nicer way of getting rid of a process? |
| 00:51.55 | itchi | cwheeler: Do now aptitude update |
| 00:51.56 | cwheeler | thanks itchi |
| 00:52.00 | alexcamilo | instead of kill |
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| 00:52.13 | itchi | alexcamilo: Quit the app?? |
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| 00:52.25 | cwheeler | synaptic is downloading packages, will it work? |
| 00:52.32 | infernix | alexcamilo: there's kill and kill -9 |
| 00:52.41 | itchi | cwheeler: Dunno, you gona see :-) |
| 00:52.50 | vinsci | luigi_, probably not as it depends on xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 00:53.12 | itchi | cwheeler: Did you the things ^ before and after getting the error? |
| 00:53.41 | cwheeler | I deleted the old archives before I started |
| 00:54.10 | alexcamilo | so kill -9 asks and kill just kills? |
| 00:54.17 | cwheeler | synaptic is downloading stuff now, i |
| 00:54.18 | infernix | alexcamilo: the other way around |
| 00:54.21 | alexcamilo | ah |
| 00:54.22 | alexcamilo | ok |
| 00:54.24 | cwheeler | i'll see if it works |
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| 00:54.54 | cwheeler | alexcamilo kill -9 sends signal 9, kill sends the default signal |
| 00:54.54 | vinsci | then people wouldn't get in that kind of problem with xorg, for example |
| 00:55.09 | luigi_ | vinsci, it's like i thought xserver-xorg is already installed |
| 00:55.13 | alexcamilo | ah cool. thanx |
| 00:55.33 | alexcamilo | i can now finish my script. |
| 00:55.34 | vinsci | luigi_, forced installed and broken? |
| 00:56.15 | luigi_ | vinsci, nope it just says it's installed to the newest version |
| 00:56.33 | vinsci | which version is that, on your system? |
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| 00:57.36 | luigi_ | vinsci, sid's version, i would have to quit irssi and find out |
| 00:57.44 | vinsci | luigi_, anyway, installing xserver-xorg-input-all should solve your problem, but as xserver-xorg depends on that, it should also already be installed |
| 00:58.16 | vinsci | luigi_, there's the magic Ctrl-Alt+Fn keys to give you more virtual consoles |
| 00:58.26 | toraton | Hi. wodim is giving me the error, "Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second." Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:58.34 | toraton | I've solved it by using OLDATAPI, but I figure that's not a great workaround |
| 00:59.01 | luigi_ | vinsci: ok |
| 00:59.05 | itchi | toraton: Somethings others make use of it |
| 00:59.33 | toraton | itchi, Nothing else is using the drive though. |
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| 00:59.39 | toraton | There is a blank disc in it. |
| 00:59.50 | EruditeHermit | hey, when I try to eject my ipod I get unable to open '/dev/sda2' |
| 00:59.55 | vinsci | luigi_, btw, one you have X up, it will be on virtual console 7 by default, so Ctrl-Alt-F7 switches to that, Ctrl-Alt-F1 back to the first text mode console |
| 01:00.02 | vinsci | s,one,once. |
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| 01:00.18 | EruditeHermit | however on another machine it ejects properly, can anyone help |
| 01:00.25 | itchi | toraton: Sure it's the right device? |
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| 01:00.40 | toraton | itchi, Yep, it's being detected by --scanbus |
| 01:00.42 | itchi | toraton: It's the master on the first ide iirc |
| 01:00.48 | toraton | Yeah |
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| 01:01.39 | luigi_ | vinsci: the xorg version 7.1.0.9 |
| 01:02.03 | itchi | toraton: (Usually you put an hdd on there) |
| 01:02.19 | toraton | itchi, I'm aware. |
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| 01:03.04 | toraton | Actually, now that I think about it, the CDRW is on hdb. So why does it give me an error about hda? |
| 01:03.13 | toraton | wodim dev=0,0,0 iso/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:03.16 | pingouin | is there php5 in Sarge ? |
| 01:03.17 | toraton | That's the commandline. |
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| 01:03.54 | itchi | pingouin: On backport |
| 01:04.04 | vinsci | luigi_, I guess you xorg was already configured, but without kdb, mouse support. Try: # dpkg --reconfigure xorg |
| 01:04.16 | itchi | toraton: Or cdrecord -checkdrive |
| 01:04.42 | vinsci | luigi_, just to make sure, before that, check that xserver-xorg-input-all is installed |
| 01:04.42 | itchi | !drxx |
| 01:04.43 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 01:04.45 | pingouin | itchi: hmm..ok thanks for the clue. I guess it's not good to backport it ? |
| 01:05.16 | itchi | pingouin: It's already there. Personally, i not make use of backports |
| 01:05.24 | luigi_ | vinsci: i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg about 3 times |
| 01:05.44 | pingouin | itchi: thanks |
| 01:05.45 | itchi | luigi_: Mouse module loaded? |
| 01:05.55 | itchi | pingouin: ;-) |
| 01:06.02 | protocol1 | jelly-home, guess what...I dont have a repository to get wine from |
| 01:06.18 | vinsci | itchi, that's done during configuration |
| 01:06.30 | protocol1 | when I got into synaptic package manager...its not there? |
| 01:06.32 | itchi | vinsci: We never know |
| 01:06.39 | vinsci | luigi_, is the mouse plugged in? |
| 01:06.47 | jelly-home | protocol1: of course it's not there, you'll have to add it manually |
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| 01:07.11 | vinsci | luigi_, try installing package "gpm", then your mouse should be working in the text console as well |
| 01:07.12 | protocol1 | have a repos I can use to get it? |
| 01:07.35 | itchi | protocol1: Is that of Debian not yet right? |
| 01:07.38 | vinsci | luigi_, if that doesn't work, something is seriously wrong on your system |
| 01:07.47 | jelly-home | protocol1: http://www.winehq.org/site/download-deb use the line for eg. edgy |
| 01:07.48 | luigi_ | vinsci: i installed xserver-xorg-input-all and it installed, :)) |
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| 01:08.04 | jelly-home | protocol1: the deb-src line, not the binary one. |
| 01:08.09 | protocol1 | ok |
| 01:08.11 | protocol1 | thx |
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| 01:10.24 | protocol1 | jelly-home, your a savior |
| 01:10.28 | luigi_ | vinsci: i couldn't get in, it gives me this error: no devices detected |
| 01:11.15 | itchi | luigi_: Now, configure x :-) |
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| 01:11.23 | vinsci | luigi_, so, does your mouse work with the gpm package? |
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| 01:11.42 | vinsci | itchi, good call :) |
| 01:11.45 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know how Raid5 works |
| 01:12.07 | itchi | Looks like somethings have happened during the install or so |
| 01:12.12 | luigi_ | vinsci: i don't know yet i'm still on the console and will install gpm |
| 01:12.16 | documan | can I build via GUI my own linux distro? to take some elements of various distros and build my own? |
| 01:12.19 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Yeah, Google :-) |
| 01:12.48 | DavidProck1981 | how does raid5 use the hard drives |
| 01:12.55 | itchi | documan: Look to /msg dpkg custom cd |
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| 01:13.03 | documan | can I build via GUI my own linux distro? to take some elements of various distros and build my own? |
| 01:13.17 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Maybe you want #hardware or so |
| 01:13.17 | vinsci | luigi_, now that your -iput-all package is installed, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should handle everything for you |
| 01:13.34 | itchi | wait |
| 01:13.38 | itchi | !custom cd |
| 01:13.38 | dpkg | So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 01:13.47 | itchi | documan: Have you see it ^ ? |
| 01:14.21 | itchi | It's not only for custom kernel btw |
| 01:16.14 | protocol1 | why buildit from source when I get use the edgy .deb? |
| 01:16.23 | protocol1 | or will that work? |
| 01:17.15 | protocol1 | so when the package is made it will be specifically for my machine? |
| 01:17.36 | itchi | protocol1: Will that f* my system?,should you ask |
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| 01:17.43 | Cyis | protocol1: please tell me you didn't just suggest using a bastardized Ubuntu package on a Debian system |
| 01:17.47 | luigi_ | vinsci: no joy! i did the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it gives me this error: no devices detected and no screens found |
| 01:18.21 | vinsci | luigi_, what kind of computer is this, again? |
| 01:18.22 | protocol1 | no...I was asking if it would work...not to actually use it |
| 01:18.41 | itchi | protocol1: Do not use an deb of Ubuntu |
| 01:18.51 | protocol1 | ok |
| 01:18.55 | Cyis | protocol1: either way it's a braindead thing to even consider |
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| 01:19.37 | luigi_ | vinsci: it's a PII 266, the mouse is working, i've been using debian on this box for the last 4 yrs, it's the only i got |
| 01:19.39 | infernix | protocol1: you cannot do this since it would not have the same libraries which it was compiled against, and that will lead to instability |
| 01:20.03 | teledyn_ | protocol1: unfortunately although ubuntu is "derived" from debian, its too different for that to work or be safe much or most of the time |
| 01:20.16 | teledyn_ | protocol1: esp. with something like a kernel |
| 01:20.36 | infernix | protocol1: you can only ever use .deb files that contain packages that are build specifically for the linux distro AND version you run, in your case debian sarge (or perhaps etch if you run it) |
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| 01:21.19 | vinsci | luigi_, I guess it's possible, although unlikely, that xorg isn't supported on your PC. Tried xfree86? |
| 01:21.52 | teledyn_ | vinsci: that would be doubtful. if anything, xorg should support more cards than xfree86 |
| 01:21.54 | luigi_ | vinsci: it works fine in sarge, and etch |
| 01:21.56 | infernix | luigi_: if you can post your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log we can take a look |
| 01:22.17 | infernix | luigi_: if you're in console, I believe pastebin.ca supports uploading of those files |
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| 01:23.43 | luigi_ | infernix, vinsci, et al, THANK YOU! i gotta go to work (dog shift), i'll start tomorrow, thx guys. |
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| 01:23.50 | Rprp | hmm, just a second ago i did iptables -P INPUT DROP :/ but no, all ports are closed....... how can i connect to ssh?!?!?! |
| 01:23.52 | documan | can I install linux in a partition while I am logged in winxp? (like I do with winxp apps) |
| 01:23.55 | Cyis | bah... fscking debian keyring hell... |
| 01:24.26 | Cyis | keyring update hasn't propagated from keyring.d.o to ftp-master so my uploads are not being accepted when signed by my new subkey |
| 01:24.29 | infernix | documan: if there's free space you could do that with qemu or vmware, perhaps cygwin |
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| 01:25.57 | dendrite | Rprp: You mean you want to allow inbound ssh connections? |
| 01:26.04 | Rprp | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.07 | vinsci | somewhat disturbing to see people forced to work on PII 266 hardware, when we binned those routinely over here years ago |
| 01:26.13 | dendrite | Rprp: iptables -A INPUT --match state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
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| 01:26.21 | Rprp | but its on my server, and still i did stupid iptables -P INPUT DROP |
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| 01:26.28 | Rprp | and now i cant connect.... :/ |
| 01:26.47 | dendrite | Rprp: You might also want iptables -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
| 01:26.49 | itchi | documan: You want to use of virtualisation? aka qemu for windows?? |
| 01:27.01 | Rprp | dendrite: its on my server. and im not in ssh ..... |
| 01:27.10 | dendrite | Rprp: Look up, I just pasted what you want. |
| 01:27.18 | Rprp | <dendrite> Rprp: iptables -A INPUT --match state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT; iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 01:27.23 | Rprp | How can i type it if im not in ssh >.> |
| 01:27.27 | dendrite | Rprp: Ah, you are locked out. |
| 01:27.28 | documan | itchi I like gui's |
| 01:27.35 | itchi | documan: But to be honnest, install debian on your computer without virtuallisation and forget XP stuff |
| 01:27.35 | teledyn_ | Rprp: times like that when a remote serial console is handy |
| 01:27.37 | dendrite | Rprp: Console access? |
| 01:27.55 | Rprp | no |
| 01:27.56 | itchi | documan: No wory, there's gui stuff to, if you not like the power of cli |
| 01:28.02 | teledyn_ | Rprp: otherwise call the colo and have someone reboot |
| 01:28.10 | Rprp | aaaaw |
| 01:28.12 | Rprp | oke :< |
| 01:28.13 | documan | whats the power of cli? |
| 01:28.35 | teledyn_ | Rprp: or have em log on an undo the iptables damage |
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| 01:28.57 | itchi | documan: cli have many more power as gui, in the sense of that you have many more options in cli |
| 01:29.02 | dendrite | documan: Job control and pipes, mainly. |
| 01:29.27 | dendrite | documan: Also, CLI is only limited by what you can remember, and if you know what you're doing it's much faster. |
| 01:29.45 | vinsci | is there a web interface for the dpkg bot? Seems like a good candidate for a automagically updated Debian faq web page |
| 01:29.46 | itchi | documan: GUI mostly hidden some stuff, some time, there are not all options available in gui, lack of space, lack of adding it ... |
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| 01:30.06 | documan | nice, I want CLI then |
| 01:30.07 | itchi | documan: With space, i mean room on the screen/app |
| 01:30.12 | cwheeler | gui can also be unuseable on remote systems |
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| 01:30.36 | documan | ah, cli = command line |
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| 01:30.46 | documan | no, I want gui well configured |
| 01:30.46 | itchi | documan: yup |
| 01:31.12 | itchi | documan: No problem too |
| 01:31.25 | itchi | documan: Just use what you like :-) |
| 01:31.28 | documan | I want a tool similar to nlite for winxp |
| 01:31.46 | itchi | documan: You not need that, you not need to make an unattended cd |
| 01:31.47 | protocol1 | itchi, its funny cause I can run wine on my laptop with the same version of Debian just like that |
| 01:32.05 | itchi | documan: Or maybe you want it?? See fai |
| 01:32.17 | punto | hi. what package do I need to install to give the gimp support for common image formats? (like gif, jpg, etc. right now it only loads 'xcf') |
| 01:32.23 | itchi | protocol1: I dunno about wine :-/ |
| 01:32.33 | documan | whats fai |
| 01:32.34 | itchi | protocol1: I'm more a beer freak :-p |
| 01:32.42 | itchi | !fai |
| 01:32.42 | dpkg | methinks fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 01:32.47 | teledyn_ | punto: gimp? |
| 01:32.59 | itchi | documan: dpkg, is us bot here |
| 01:32.59 | documan | nlite is not only for unattended, it removes all the stuff you dont need to make it lite |
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| 01:33.27 | Rprp | <teledyn_> Rprp: or have em log on an undo the iptables damage |
| 01:33.32 | itchi | documan: Yeah, because win have some crap stuff enabled default, shuuut we not have that here, i mean crap enabled default |
| 01:33.34 | Rprp | Err. im not in ssh... ? |
| 01:33.36 | punto | teledyn_: yeah, it's a program to edit images, like photoshop |
| 01:33.46 | teledyn_ | Rprp: i meant a colo worker |
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| 01:33.58 | Rprp | k |
| 01:33.58 | teledyn_ | punto: yeah i know. that was the package. |
| 01:34.11 | documan | I want to remooooooooove not to just disable |
| 01:34.15 | itchi | documan: In /crapland/ you need it, not here :-) |
| 01:34.18 | documan | I want my OS as I imagine it |
| 01:34.39 | punto | teledyn_: no, I already have the package gimp, it comes with the program gimp, but it only loads and saves .xcf images |
| 01:34.51 | teledyn_ | punto: not here. |
| 01:34.52 | dendrite | punto: What flavor of Debian are you running? |
| 01:34.57 | itchi | documan: Yeah, i understand you :-) Just keep in mind that Debian GNU/Linux care many about the system. It's not like that win that not care about the sad things he do |
| 01:34.59 | infernix | Rprp: either have someone go to the console/use a remote KVM console switch and fix the iptables, or powerflip the server |
| 01:35.05 | teledyn_ | punto: yeah i was gonna ask that same question |
| 01:35.24 | teledyn_ | punto: apt-cache search gimp |
| 01:36.01 | charzero | Is loop-AES partition encryption unsupported in the etch installer, or is there something special I have to do? |
| 01:36.03 | infernix | Rprp: and next time if you mess with iptables, make a script that runs every 15 minutes that resets it, e.g. (sleep 15m; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT;iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT;iptables -F INPUT;iptables -F OUTPUT) & |
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| 01:37.06 | punto | I was using testing earlier, but now unstable |
| 01:37.13 | itchi | documan: On an debian system, you select what you want to install/use/remove. You have full control of your system, you _do_ what you want with it |
| 01:37.41 | documan | ok |
| 01:38.16 | teledyn_ | punto: if you're using unstable, it assumes you have the knowlege to deal with problems like that |
| 01:38.18 | Dewi | documan: debian doesn't install lots of needless stuff like winxp so you don't need a special program to remove stuff |
| 01:38.18 | itchi | documan: Yeah, i know, it looks weird in the begin. But it's win that are weird. Who can believe that he install/activate/open sad things :-) |
| 01:38.42 | Dewi | documan: and whatever packages you want to quickly install, just make a list of them and go: sudo aptitude install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 pkg4 pkg5... |
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| 01:39.15 | documan | isnt apt the best package manager? |
| 01:39.35 | teledyn_ | aptitude |
| 01:39.41 | Dewi | documan: you can use aptitude or apt-get; aptitude tracks a little extra data. Like it will remove unneeded dependancies... |
| 01:39.54 | dendrite | documan: aptitude and apt-get are the userland tools. aptitude is probably better for most folks... |
| 01:39.55 | blondie | aptitude = evil |
| 01:39.57 | blondie | :P |
| 01:40.11 | vinsci | documan, you can also remove packages in two ways, 1) remove and keep any configuration files for the packages or 2) purge the package, which means to also remove its configuration files |
| 01:40.15 | dendrite | blondie: I'm with you, I just can't seem to get aptitude to not just get in the way... |
| 01:40.15 | itchi | s/aptitude/apt-get/ :-) |
| 01:40.32 | Cyis | a good way to tell you have too many CDs and DVDs... can't find the one you're looking for |
| 01:40.37 | dendrite | s/apt-get/aptitude/g :-) :-) |
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| 01:40.40 | itchi | blondie: :-p |
| 01:40.42 | Dewi | blondie / dendrite : aptitude accepts most of the same command line arguments as apt-get... ? |
| 01:40.43 | punto | teledyn_: I don't think it's a problem it can be dealt with.. I just need to add some plugin package or something (or the stuff in the gimp package is broken) |
| 01:41.07 | charzero | What are the advantages of aptitute? It remembers what you explicitly told it to install vs. dependencies, right? |
| 01:41.10 | itchi | Dewi: DD says to use now aptitude, so i listen to his |
| 01:41.13 | teledyn_ | dendrite, blondie maybe if you install really huge metapackages you can have issues. the key there is to install the essential base ones, so an uninstall of the meta won't take everytying out |
| 01:41.33 | itchi | charzero: yes |
| 01:41.53 | itchi | charzero: It have an better /trouble resolver/ too |
| 01:42.10 | dendrite | For certain values of "better.": |
| 01:42.10 | punto | teledyn_: testing had the same problem anyway |
| 01:42.17 | teledyn_ | dendrite, blondie for example i wouldn't install kde with it, but kdebase, kwin, and some other base components |
| 01:42.18 | charzero | itchi: What kind of trouble? I've never had trouble with apt. |
| 01:42.32 | alexcamilo | anyone know how to disgard everything after the first new line in the shell? |
| 01:42.39 | itchi | charzero: i.e. upgrading an release |
| 01:42.49 | dendrite | alexcamilo: man head |
| 01:42.53 | charzero | itchi: Ah. I've never done that. |
| 01:43.14 | itchi | tail|head -1|+1 |
| 01:43.35 | vinsci | documan, learn to use aptitude well, you won't regret it |
| 01:43.48 | itchi | alexcamilo: Have forget to write the nick :-) |
| 01:44.08 | alexcamilo | itchi: write the nick? |
| 01:44.22 | itchi | alexcamilo: Looks to tail/head |
| 01:44.34 | itchi | alexcamilo: I mixed the stuff btw |
| 01:44.46 | alexcamilo | whell head worked |
| 01:45.06 | alexcamilo | so, thanx. |
| 01:45.29 | itchi | documan: You need to read the manual of it less /usr/share/aptitude/README |
| 01:45.48 | itchi | documan: It's realy an nice toy aptitude |
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| 01:47.05 | itchi | alexcamilo: You can do it with tail too |
| 01:47.48 | alexcamilo | i thought you could only use tail on files. i didn't know you could pipe stuff into it. |
| 01:47.55 | jfletcher | documan: just remember apt-get install and apt-cache search, and you'll not go far wrong. |
| 01:48.02 | documan | ok |
| 01:48.16 | jfletcher | there's a few others too, such as update (when you update repositories) |
| 01:48.25 | itchi | alexcamilo: The power of GNU/Linux! :-) |
| 01:48.29 | vinsci | alexcamilo, a pipe is a file :) |
| 01:48.45 | alexcamilo | vinsci: cool |
| 01:49.32 | alexcamilo | i'm really liking debian. |
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| 01:51.00 | alexcamilo | works nicely on ppc. |
| 01:51.47 | itchi | alexcamilo: Who not? ;-) |
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| 01:57.23 | eduhat | how would i remove kde? |
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| 01:58.32 | rahul | eduhat: how did you install it? |
| 01:58.39 | rahul | with aptitude? |
| 01:58.41 | vinsci | eduhat, the main package is called just "kde", remove that and everything that depends on it is also gone |
| 01:58.54 | eduhat | rahul: i installed it when i installed debian by selecing "Desktop" |
| 01:59.11 | eduhat | vinsci: i tried apt-get remove kde |
| 01:59.23 | rahul | eduhat: hrm, go into aptitude, down to the tasks, go into desktop and uninstall the kde one |
| 01:59.37 | vinsci | eduhat, use aptitude |
| 01:59.37 | rahul | aptitude should delete the auto-installed stuff |
| 01:59.58 | rahul | apt-get was a makeshift apt frontend to tide us over |
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| 02:00.47 | itchi | kde is on of the 3 meta packages to install kde (same things with gnome too) |
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| 02:01.35 | eduhat | rahul: : is there any way that i could do it through apt-get? |
| 02:01.40 | vinsci | itchi++ |
| 02:01.58 | itchi | eduhat: To be easy, look to /msg dpkg install kde, (to know about the 3 meta-packages names) and look wich one is installed with dpkg -l foo |
| 02:02.48 | itchi | vinsci: What's that ++ for ? |
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| 02:03.05 | protocol1 | Im building the latest from source |
| 02:03.09 | protocol1 | much easier |
| 02:03.17 | itchi | protocol1: The beer stuff? :-) |
| 02:03.24 | protocol1 | heh |
| 02:03.24 | vinsci | itchi, just trying to play with dpkg karma features :) |
| 02:03.42 | vinsci | dpkg, itchi++ |
| 02:03.47 | itchi | vinsci: Oh ok, i not yet have play with that feature too |
| 02:04.05 | protocol1 | I just happened to look in the folders that source had and sure enough it has a readme |
| 02:04.10 | itchi | !karma itchi |
| 02:04.10 | dpkg | itchi has karma of 2 |
| 02:04.20 | itchi | Is that all :-( |
| 02:04.24 | protocol1 | muhahaha |
| 02:04.26 | itchi | ba, no matter haha |
| 02:04.34 | vinsci | both mine ;) |
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| 02:04.48 | vinsci | I suppose nobody knows about it ;) |
| 02:04.50 | itchi | I not need ++, just need !beer when someone are happy of me :-p |
| 02:04.59 | vinsci | :) |
| 02:05.09 | protocol1 | I havent had a beer in 1 year and 5 months |
| 02:05.22 | itchi | !beer everyone |
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| 02:05.45 | itchi | ugh, butt i'mm alreaddy bitty oout |
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| 02:07.39 | rahul | !karma rahul |
| 02:07.39 | dpkg | rahul has karma of 1 |
| 02:07.41 | rahul | heh |
| 02:07.54 | rahul | must have been reset in the past 3 years :\ |
| 02:08.28 | itchi | rahul: Ba, why should we care about the karma, us know the regulars :-) |
| 02:08.39 | rahul | I'm beyond karma. |
| 02:08.58 | itchi | dpkg: rahul++ |
| 02:09.29 | itchi | rahul: voila, same level now :-p |
| 02:09.41 | vinsci | rahul, is that done with nohup(1)? |
| 02:10.01 | rahul | no, that's detaching from your shell :) |
| 02:10.09 | vinsci | ah, ok :) |
| 02:10.15 | rahul | itchi: wee |
| 02:10.25 | documan | all linuxes have the same "Filesystem Hierarchy Standard" ? |
| 02:10.38 | rahul | documan: well, there is one standard |
| 02:11.04 | rahul | documan: that is, one current version of that standard.... and it can be followed to varying degrees by different distros |
| 02:11.21 | itchi | Yeah, i have not yet played with other features of dpkg, just the factoids stuff |
| 02:11.26 | documan | which resembles most with winxp ? |
| 02:11.53 | itchi | documan: None |
| 02:12.01 | itchi | documan: It's completely different |
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| 02:13.02 | documan | yes |
| 02:13.14 | vinsci | dpkg, rahul-- |
| 02:13.19 | itchi | documan: It's like when you step in an VW, and then move to Porsche, it's realy not same stuff. Take here you move from XP to Debian, same case, both is to manage your computer |
| 02:13.23 | rahul | haha |
| 02:13.25 | documan | with LFS I will be able to make my own FHS ? |
| 02:13.44 | rahul | documan: uh... |
| 02:13.53 | jfletcher | don't say VW is like windows. I drive a VW. |
| 02:14.02 | rahul | documan: that's like asking, with a C compiler can you make your own perl |
| 02:14.10 | craigevil | documan: Why not try DFS instead of LFS |
| 02:14.13 | itchi | documan: VW (win) is not so bad, it's decent, but Porsche (Debian) is many better |
| 02:14.34 | itchi | dendrite: Yeah, took an bad example it's looks |
| 02:14.34 | documan | whats dfs? |
| 02:14.43 | rahul | documan: what are you trying to change? |
| 02:14.51 | rahul | documan: just make some symlinks or something.... |
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| 02:15.01 | documan | I want to make my own taste of OS |
| 02:15.08 | jfletcher | lol. |
| 02:15.15 | rahul | oh boy. |
| 02:15.15 | craigevil | How to Install Debian From Scratch> http://linux.suramya.com/tutorials/Install_DFS/ |
| 02:15.17 | itchi | jfletcher: Sorry, :-) My preffered car is an Golf 2 :-) |
| 02:15.33 | rahul | documan: good luck replicating the work of 1000s of debian developers |
| 02:15.35 | documan | why it has to be debian ? |
| 02:15.36 | jfletcher | itchi: I drive a golf 2 gti ;) |
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| 02:15.41 | rahul | for no reason |
| 02:15.49 | jfletcher | documan: big expectations, huh? |
| 02:15.52 | itchi | jfletcher: But if i had choice, i'm sure, i gona like many more Porsche and forget about VW :-) |
| 02:16.16 | jfletcher | itchi: yea, _if_ ;) |
| 02:16.27 | vinsci | documan, there's at least 30 distributions that are based on the Debian system already |
| 02:16.34 | itchi | jfletcher: I need to shut it up, ggrr, i like too many that golf :-)Ã |
| 02:17.01 | jfletcher | :) |
| 02:17.06 | documan | xubuntu is debian ? |
| 02:17.10 | jfletcher | based on. |
| 02:17.20 | jfletcher | eg, it uses aptituse, dpkg, etc. |
| 02:17.22 | vinsci | yes, based on ubuntu, which is based on debian |
| 02:17.26 | jfletcher | aptitude* |
| 02:17.36 | itchi | documan: xfce + buntu |
| 02:17.37 | rahul | all that ubuntu craziness is just a repackaged debian with fewer packages |
| 02:17.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | documan: But different enough not to have this channel be the right place to ask questions about it |
| 02:17.51 | jfletcher | its hardly based on ubuntu, its basicly ubuntu with a different logo, and apt-get install xfce4 in the install config. |
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| 02:18.16 | wastrel | xubuntu-desktop really |
| 02:18.19 | wastrel | but close enough |
| 02:18.35 | jfletcher | either way, I believe it's a bit of a waste of time. |
| 02:18.39 | cassper | how can you install debian from the live CD? |
| 02:18.42 | jfletcher | Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu. |
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| 02:18.51 | jfletcher | cassper: put it in your cd drive? :) |
| 02:18.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ubuntu is what you get when a teletubby rapes Debian. |
| 02:19.03 | rahul | eew |
| 02:19.04 | cassper | did that |
| 02:19.13 | jfletcher | cassper: set your BIOS to boot from CD? |
| 02:19.18 | cassper | just boots to Linux |
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| 02:19.42 | itchi | cassper: Live cd?? |
| 02:19.43 | cassper | I am running from the live CD right now |
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| 02:19.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | rahul: Actually, Debian is female. It's named after its founder's wife, Debbie. |
| 02:19.54 | itchi | cassper: The debian's one? |
| 02:20.00 | jfletcher | cassper: you mean you're running gnoppix or somthing? |
| 02:20.02 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: erm |
| 02:20.05 | cassper | yep |
| 02:20.06 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: um... it's a combination of their names |
| 02:20.07 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: that's wrong |
| 02:20.13 | blondie | Dark_Apostrophe: "ian" is HIS name :P |
| 02:20.13 | jfletcher | cassper: download debian, burn it to CD. |
| 02:20.14 | cassper | no Debian |
| 02:20.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ian Murdock |
| 02:20.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh shit |
| 02:20.16 | itchi | cassper: To who talk you? |
| 02:20.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | forgot that |
| 02:20.23 | cassper | KDe Desktop |
| 02:20.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a hermaphrodite. Never mind |
| 02:20.47 | blondie | no, it's like most things |
| 02:20.50 | blondie | genderless :P |
| 02:20.52 | gentgeen__ | OK, silly me... need counter in my script --- COUNTER=$COUNTER+1 did not work... what did I forget? |
| 02:20.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Forgot about Ian. |
| 02:20.58 | itchi | Nope, Debian is named of the name of the creator's wife and his name |
| 02:21.02 | rahul | blondie: it's half male and half female, damn it :) |
| 02:21.13 | rahul | and was raped by an asexual creature |
| 02:21.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | rahul: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite |
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| 02:21.35 | jfletcher | it has been both too, it's been bo and woody. |
| 02:21.40 | cassper | but I am running in KDE how can I start the intaller |
| 02:22.16 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: yes, that's hermaphrotdit'e |
| 02:22.22 | cassper | i have rrun Ubuntu and Kubuntu |
| 02:22.28 | castoff | gentgeen__ put let infront of the COUNTER |
| 02:22.29 | rahul | as in hermes+aphrodite |
| 02:22.29 | itchi | cassper: I think you can not install it of the debian's live cd, it's just an demo (without the feature to install it on hdd such as i.e. knoppix) |
| 02:22.33 | cassper | but they keep breaking |
| 02:22.49 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: the english word means a creature that is sexually both male and female, such as an earthworm |
| 02:22.50 | vinsci | and Debbie is her name |
| 02:23.05 | rahul | Dark_Apostrophe: both earthworms impregnate each other |
| 02:23.06 | gentgeen__ | castoff, thanks... getting late for this old brain :-) |
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| 02:23.13 | documan | "In GoboLinux you don't need a package manager because the filesystem is the package manager: each program resides in its own directory" isnt that great? |
| 02:23.26 | rahul | documan: hah. |
| 02:23.26 | itchi | documan: No |
| 02:23.29 | ewl | is etch male or female? |
| 02:23.32 | castoff | gentgeen__ bet mine is older |
| 02:23.39 | asg | ewl: depends on which knob you trun |
| 02:23.49 | rahul | heh. |
| 02:23.50 | documan | is blondie female or gay? |
| 02:23.50 | jfletcher | ewl: etch is asexual. |
| 02:23.56 | itchi | documan: You need an tool to manage the stuff there is already, but also to add easy new one. |
| 02:24.13 | wastrel | etch eh |
| 02:24.20 | itchi | documan: Also you need to update your system time to time, with the package management |
| 02:24.25 | jfletcher | you can be a boy if you're on sid. |
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| 02:24.37 | gentgeen__ | I am only reaching middle age... so chances are good you are right |
| 02:24.49 | gentgeen__ | s/reaching/reaching for/ |
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| 02:24.53 | Roey | hello |
| 02:24.56 | Roey | So I connected my USB card reader and saw this in dmesg: http://rafb.net/p/vdi3cA32.html -- what's going on? Why is my file copy from it so *slow* ? |
| 02:25.04 | rahul | oooo... the TROUT |
| 02:25.16 | itchi | documan: Why do you do that? No jump we take action now |
| 02:25.29 | documan | ok |
| 02:25.31 | jfletcher | trouts at the ready. |
| 02:25.34 | itchi | documan: Sorry, Why do you do that? Not jump when take action now |
| 02:25.43 | protocol1 | yay I got the latest wine running |
| 02:26.09 | documan | I would like to ask: I am the sole user of my system, is there a linux that doesnt have "users" stuff? |
| 02:26.20 | itchi | Roey: fs is out of order, it's looks |
| 02:26.22 | alexcamilo | when i start an x application from a script or ssh it says it cant open the display. is there a way to point i to the currently running xserver? |
| 02:26.27 | alexcamilo | it* |
| 02:26.29 | rahul | documan: no |
| 02:26.33 | asg | documan: your single user system still has users; this is how Unix works |
| 02:26.35 | jfletcher | documan: no, taht would defeat the idea. |
| 02:26.36 | rahul | documan: wtf are you smoking? |
| 02:26.55 | itchi | Roey: Is there some data on it you need? Otherwise format it |
| 02:26.57 | dendrite | documan: Well, strictly speaking, Linux can be single user, as in embedded systems. |
| 02:27.01 | asg | rahul: nothing worthwhile I'm sure |
| 02:27.14 | jfletcher | dendrite: you still get more than 1 user though, because you have a root too. |
| 02:27.29 | rahul | asg: yeah, looks like bad crack |
| 02:27.35 | dendrite | jfletcher: You may only have root... |
| 02:27.38 | vinsci | documan, all linux/unix systems use the concept of individual user names, even if there's only one used |
| 02:27.40 | asg | rahul: or someone that can't just get over DOS |
| 02:27.42 | itchi | Roey: (be hoping that the device is not out of order) |
| 02:27.51 | rahul | ooo DOS. |
| 02:28.00 | infernix | freedos 4 life |
| 02:28.07 | jfletcher | dendrite: not likely, but I'll give you it. |
| 02:28.07 | documan | thats a waste of sys resources and space for me, that I will be the one and only user |
| 02:28.13 | alexcamilo | documan: there are many security reasons to not run as root. (i'm pretty sure i'm right here. still a noob tho) |
| 02:28.24 | jfletcher | indeed. |
| 02:28.34 | infernix | dos & geos is all a man needs anyway |
| 02:28.37 | vinsci | documan, but you'll find that behind the scenes, there are tens of system user account, used for various tasks by the operating system |
| 02:28.37 | castoff | alexcamilo are you using -X with ssh? |
| 02:28.45 | documan | I dont care, I run firewall, I run antivvirus |
| 02:28.46 | dendrite | jfletcher: You're probably right, since the multi-user capability is a large part of why Linux is useful. |
| 02:28.53 | protocol1 | itchi, sorry if I was annoying....thanks for the help |
| 02:28.58 | alexcamilo | castoff i want to start it in the x server that is running on the comp |
| 02:29.05 | itchi | protocol1: Solved that beer trouble? |
| 02:29.09 | protocol1 | yes |
| 02:29.16 | itchi | protocol1: Great ;-) |
| 02:29.24 | protocol1 | got the latest source from the site and complied it |
| 02:29.33 | protocol1 | folled the readme that came with it |
| 02:29.37 | protocol1 | followed* |
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| 02:29.59 | jfletcher | dendrite: was just thinking of things like routers, other network tools, and the vulnerabilities that could come with it being only root. also the fact that anything that required only 1 user would most likely be too simple to bother using linux on. |
| 02:30.27 | itchi | documan: You not need an antivirus in GNU/Linux. Or you want to scan win stuff. The best example here; now ask to yourself why you need an antivirus on an win box. |
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| 02:30.42 | dendrite | jfletcher: Well, remember that Linux is open source... And that hackability is a draw for embedded systems. |
| 02:30.42 | Roey | itchi: what do you mean? |
| 02:30.52 | Roey | itchi: what do you mean about formatting it though? |
| 02:30.58 | Roey | itchi: ah, fs is out of order. |
| 02:30.58 | jfletcher | dendrite: indeed. |
| 02:31.01 | itchi | Roey: The device is maybe dead or realy near |
| 02:31.12 | Roey | itchi: (sorry, I'm responding as I scroll up through the chatlog) |
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| 02:31.19 | blondie | documan: keep your fish to yourself |
| 02:31.29 | itchi | Roey: Yeah, first check if its not the fs, hope's it's that, i'm bit affraid of not |
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| 02:31.33 | jmd | What's different about loopback in 2.6 kernels ? |
| 02:31.33 | Roey | itchi: windows didn't seem to have problems reading this stuff off the card. |
| 02:31.40 | itchi | documan: You got price! |
| 02:31.47 | nse | does anybody has moto4lin working with motorola v3, huh? |
| 02:32.16 | itchi | !tell nse -about ask |
| 02:32.46 | nse | /dpkg cell |
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| 02:32.54 | nse | o_0 |
| 02:33.32 | itchi | Roey: There are some badk blocks, yeah linux is many more verbose for that |
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| 02:33.33 | itchi | nse: Tell us the problem you have, maybe us can help |
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| 02:35.21 | itchi | Roey: Can you try again on that win box, to be sure? |
| 02:35.38 | nse | well: i'm having troubles to donwload some pictures from my mobile phone. it is a motorola v3 that is connected to my computer through a usb cable. i went through several help pages without sucess. right now moto4lin, that is a software which does what i want, says Trying to Connect, but it stays forever |
| 02:35.51 | Roey | itchi: it works fine, it always does. |
| 02:36.05 | itchi | Roey: Just try again now?? |
| 02:36.09 | itchi | Roey: |
| 02:36.11 | itchi | oeps |
| 02:36.14 | nse | kmobiletools is a program that do not manage files, only messanges, for me it's useless |
| 02:36.15 | itchi | Roey: We never know |
| 02:37.04 | itchi | nse: Have you start it in an cli? |
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| 02:37.16 | nse | itchi: yes |
| 02:37.24 | itchi | nse: Not get any info or so? |
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| 02:38.00 | itchi | nse: Appart that ^ i mean |
| 02:38.17 | nse | itchi: well it says that |
| 02:38.18 | nse | P2kProc::doConnect() |
| 02:38.18 | nse | doActConnect |
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| 02:38.46 | nse | and nothing more. the procedure do not get concluded, it goes forever. there is something wrong |
| 02:38.58 | itchi | nse: When you plug it in, says dmesg somethings about it? |
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| 02:39.51 | itchi | nse: Maybe with moto4line you need to pass the device?? (I dunno about it, not have a such stuff) |
| 02:41.36 | nse | wait man... |
| 02:42.04 | itchi | !beer itchi |
| 02:42.10 | itchi | okay, gona wait |
| 02:42.11 | Roey | itchi: it's perpetually bad like this |
| 02:42.16 | Roey | itchi: thanks, btw |
| 02:42.23 | itchi | Roey: So it's been dead? |
| 02:42.32 | nse | it worked! it worked! i restarted moto4lin and then it worked, just worked. well, i think it's done |
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| 02:42.44 | nse | it was doable: what a wonderful word |
| 02:42.47 | itchi | Roey: usb storage have a low live |
| 02:43.26 | itchi | nse: Maybe just did somethings bad (jumped over somehtings :-)) |
| 02:43.45 | nse | :) |
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| 02:44.32 | itchi | Roey: Did you test it on an win box? |
| 02:44.39 | itchi | Roey: Or another Debian :-) |
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| 02:47.02 | documan | what desktop manager is this ? http://www.zenwalk.org/images/shots/shot-desktop.png |
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| 02:47.34 | rahul | documan: look at the damn screenshot, heh |
| 02:47.42 | Roey | itchi: yes, I did test it on a win box. |
| 02:47.44 | Roey | that's what I meant. |
| 02:47.53 | Roey | and I tested it on my Debian sid box here. |
| 02:48.03 | documan | damn its xfce |
| 02:48.03 | Roey | itchi: it's interesting that the usb2-connected HD works fine |
| 02:48.06 | Roey | at high-speed. |
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| 02:48.18 | documan | with which desktop does debian come? |
| 02:48.23 | rahul | documan: all of them |
| 02:48.28 | sdubois92 | whatever u want |
| 02:48.30 | Roey | itchi: so maybe it's the sdd card reader. |
| 02:48.31 | rahul | debian has just about everything. |
| 02:48.39 | Roey | rahul: pornography :( |
| 02:48.44 | Roey | rahul: it doens't have pornography :( |
| 02:48.45 | rahul | !porn-get |
| 02:48.45 | dpkg | well, porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 02:48.48 | Roey | oh my god |
| 02:48.53 | rahul | haha |
| 02:48.56 | Roey | I love debian!! |
| 02:48.59 | sdubois92 | im having some problems with X |
| 02:49.04 | Roey | well I mean I knew about porn-get and klibido and all that |
| 02:49.04 | Roey | hehe |
| 02:49.20 | Roey | we need a hot debian mascot. |
| 02:49.22 | sdubois92 | i installed x-window-system |
| 02:49.24 | Roey | like Fred Perry's mascot for Amiga |
| 02:49.32 | sdubois92 | when i do startx it says it cant find my mouse |
| 02:49.52 | rahul | !drxx |
| 02:49.52 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 02:50.08 | rahul | sdubois92: reconfigure the x server and tell it where you REALLY plugged in your mouse |
| 02:50.23 | sdubois92 | i plugged my mosue into a ps2 port |
| 02:50.28 | rahul | um, and if it's _there_, don't expect that option to be available *ahem* |
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| 02:50.47 | rahul | sdubois92: ok, so you should tell the configurator that |
| 02:51.03 | sdubois92 | how do i start the configurator |
| 02:51.08 | rahul | look above |
| 02:51.18 | rahul | !penixstrike sdubois92 |
| 02:51.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sdubois92 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:51.22 | rahul | heh, just kidding ; |
| 02:51.24 | rahul | ) |
| 02:51.51 | sdubois92 | i dont know how to start the configuration |
| 02:52.07 | rahul | it was the first thing after your question |
| 02:52.14 | itchi | Roey: I dunno :-/ |
| 02:52.28 | sdubois92 | dokg-reconfigure? |
| 02:52.28 | itchi | Roey: Yeah, you need to debug to find out where it happend |
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| 02:52.52 | itchi | sdubois92: Use you Sarge (stable)? |
| 02:53.13 | wastrel | "debian" |
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| 02:54.01 | jmd | Does anyone know how to use wodim? |
| 02:54.04 | itchi | !releases |
| 02:54.04 | dpkg | [releases] See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 02:54.17 | sdubois92 | would it be /dev/psaux? |
| 02:54.22 | sdubois92 | for a ps2 mouse? |
| 02:54.25 | rahul | yes |
| 02:54.33 | liable | sdubois92: yes or /dev/input/mice |
| 02:54.35 | jfletcher | usually. |
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| 02:56.13 | sdubois92 | yep |
| 02:56.15 | alexcamilo | how do i see the value of an environment variable |
| 02:56.39 | rahul | echo $variable |
| 02:56.46 | rahul | often in all caps |
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| 02:57.45 | alexcamilo | cool |
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| 02:59.26 | crusty | !nickometer crusty |
| 02:59.28 | dpkg | 'crusty' is 0.000% lame, crusty |
| 02:59.52 | Aquarina | hi |
| 03:00.12 | Aquarina | im having problems using my ttyS0 and 1 |
| 03:00.39 | Aquarina | what could be the problem? (# setserial /dev/ttyS0 |
| 03:00.39 | Aquarina | /dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4) |
| 03:01.36 | cwheeler | missing kernel driver? |
| 03:02.39 | Aquarina | I think it's embeeded in the kernel |
| 03:02.40 | Aquarina | (debian stock kernel) |
| 03:02.40 | Aquarina | 2.6.8 |
| 03:02.52 | cwheeler | not sure, serial ports with uarts are "legacy" now |
| 03:04.05 | cwheeler | it's part of the kernel on my system so must be |
| 03:07.24 | cwheeler | look at the boot messages and see what it says about the serial ports |
| 03:07.25 | Aquarina | hum... |
| 03:07.25 | Aquarina | i could not discover anything in there |
| 03:07.25 | jmd | Where is the howto on udev ? |
| 03:07.25 | Aquarina | dmesg |grep -i uart |
| 03:07.25 | Aquarina | and dmesg |grep -i tty showed nothing |
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| 03:07.26 | cwheeler | how long since you've booted? |
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| 03:07.26 | cwheeler | boot messages may be gone |
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| 03:07.45 | liable | jmd: /usr/share/doc/udev/ |
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| 03:08.04 | cwheeler | Serial: 8250/16550 driver $Revision: 1.90 $ 4 ports, IRQ sharing disabled |
| 03:08.04 | cwheeler | serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 03:08.04 | cwheeler | serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
| 03:08.04 | cwheeler | 00:0d: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A |
| 03:08.04 | cwheeler | 00:11: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
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| 03:08.20 | Aquarina | serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 |
| 03:08.20 | Aquarina | serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 |
| 03:08.23 | cwheeler | oops |
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| 03:08.31 | Aquarina | is this somehow related to serial? |
| 03:08.35 | cwheeler | yes |
| 03:08.38 | cwheeler | i think so |
| 03:08.44 | wastrel | i'm making net install floppies |
| 03:09.45 | Aquarina | cwheeler: how come I don't have anything like that?! |
| 03:09.46 | cwheeler | actually those aren't the serial ports you' |
| 03:09.51 | cwheeler | you're looking for |
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| 03:10.01 | cwheeler | because the ports aren't detected maybe |
| 03:10.20 | Aquarina | hum... |
| 03:10.30 | Aquarina | could it be a udev problem? |
| 03:10.57 | Aquarina | do you have anything in your fstab related to udev? |
| 03:11.26 | jmd | No. Nothing |
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| 03:12.17 | Aquarina | hum... |
| 03:12.20 | Aquarina | :-/ |
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| 03:13.32 | pickcoder | Aquarina: what's the problem with the port |
| 03:13.43 | cwheeler | lemme look i've never used the serial ports on my debian machine |
| 03:14.01 | Aquarina | pickcoder: i can't use it |
| 03:14.04 | Aquarina | it seems |
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| 03:14.31 | pickcoder | plug a modem up and try issuing AT commands with minicom |
| 03:14.31 | Aquarina | pickcoder: setserial /dev/ttyS0 returns this: |
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| 03:14.51 | Aquarina | /dev/ttyS0, UART: unknown, Port: 0x03f8, IRQ: 4 |
| 03:15.05 | cwheeler | i dont' have anything about ttys in my/etc/fstab |
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| 03:15.21 | Aquarina | cwheeler: i meant about udev |
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| 03:16.41 | cwheeler | no udev either |
| 03:17.26 | Aquarina | cwheeler: what about sysfs and devfs and all those things I never got streight |
| 03:17.41 | cwheeler | not in fstab |
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| 03:17.49 | Aquarina | I only have proc |
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| 03:18.22 | pickcoder | Aquarina: the kernel sets up the serial device file |
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| 03:18.50 | pickcoder | Aquarina: what does dmesg tell you about the serial ports |
| 03:18.55 | Aquarina | but mount command shows me sysfs, devpts, tempfs, usbfs are mounted |
| 03:19.14 | Aquarina | pickcoder: nothing |
| 03:19.23 | Aquarina | pickcoder: only this: |
| 03:19.39 | Aquarina | serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12 |
| 03:19.39 | Aquarina | serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1 |
| 03:19.51 | ecgw | taiwan earthquake seems to affect our digital life. |
| 03:19.59 | pickcoder | so.. your motherboard has RS232 on it? |
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| 03:20.04 | pickcoder | yet it's disabled? |
| 03:20.07 | Aquarina | hum?!... |
| 03:20.15 | Aquarina | er... :-$ |
| 03:20.23 | pickcoder | it would show up in dmesg if it was available |
| 03:20.29 | Aquarina | sorry, I don't know what that is |
| 03:20.38 | pickcoder | Aquarina: there are no serial ports |
| 03:20.48 | Aquarina | hum?! |
| 03:20.51 | Aquarina | there are! |
| 03:20.57 | pickcoder | either 1) there physically are no serial ports.. or 2) they are disabled in BIOS |
| 03:21.12 | Aquarina | at least I have a place to connect things in the box |
| 03:21.16 | cwheeler | i think pickcoder is correct |
| 03:21.33 | Aquarina | hum... I'll have to look to the bios settings! |
| 03:21.43 | Aquarina | ok |
| 03:21.45 | pickcoder | Aquarina: they either show up in dmesg as /dev/ttyS0 or S1... or they don't |
| 03:21.54 | Aquarina | ok |
| 03:22.01 | Aquarina | maybe the bios settings |
| 03:22.08 | pickcoder | could be |
| 03:22.19 | Aquarina | i had the filosophy to only setup what was needed |
| 03:22.37 | Aquarina | proved wrong procedure! |
| 03:23.19 | Aquarina | it's a headless computer, i'll have to dismantle everything around, but that's ok - i'll do it |
| 03:23.34 | Aquarina | anyway: |
| 03:23.55 | Aquarina | if i don't have serial, why do i have 50 ttyS* in my /dev? |
| 03:24.12 | cwheeler | they just get copied on installation |
| 03:24.21 | pickcoder | the files get created automatically |
| 03:24.26 | Aquarina | should udev take care of not create them? |
| 03:24.28 | pickcoder | that doesn't mean the kernel has attached deviecs |
| 03:24.30 | pickcoder | devices |
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| 03:24.37 | rahul | you said you didn't have udev |
| 03:24.52 | rahul | so um... |
| 03:25.12 | Aquarina | rahul: hum?! |
| 03:25.18 | rahul | is it mounted? |
| 03:25.21 | Aquarina | i didn't say that! |
| 03:25.23 | rahul | cat /proc/mounts |
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| 03:25.45 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.47 | Aquarina | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 03:25.47 | Aquarina | proc /proc proc rw,nodiratime 0 0 |
| 03:25.47 | Aquarina | sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 |
| 03:25.48 | Aquarina | tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw 0 0 |
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| 03:25.54 | Aquarina | devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 |
| 03:25.56 | rahul | ... |
| 03:25.56 | Aquarina | tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 |
| 03:25.58 | Aquarina | /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 rw 0 0 |
| 03:26.00 | Aquarina | usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 |
| 03:26.02 | Aquarina | ups |
| 03:26.08 | Aquarina | sorry bout the flood |
| 03:26.39 | rahul | oh jeez, that's how udev works? |
| 03:27.40 | Aquarina | what do you mean? |
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| 03:27.50 | rahul | tmpfs. fyb |
| 03:27.52 | rahul | fun, even |
| 03:28.00 | Aquarina | fyb? |
| 03:28.58 | Aquarina | rahul: what should be mounted? |
| 03:29.10 | pickcoder | Aquarina: everything is fine |
| 03:29.19 | Aquarina | ok |
| 03:29.19 | pickcoder | Aquarina: check your BIOS settings for onboard serial |
| 03:29.22 | Aquarina | fine |
| 03:29.30 | pickcoder | if there are no settings then it's not a serial port |
| 03:29.31 | rahul | Aquarina: I've never used udev. I guess it doesn't actually have the ability to dynamically create inodes on access |
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| 03:30.18 | Aquarina | ok, i'll have to reboot to check that |
| 03:30.21 | Aquarina | tks |
| 03:30.42 | Aquarina | rahul: it's what it was suposed to do... isn't it? |
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| 03:31.13 | rahul | Aquarina: devfs is a filesystem, so it can detect attempts to access filenames that don't exist, and create an inode for them on the fly |
| 03:31.54 | Aquarina | er... sorry, i cannot undestand that |
| 03:31.57 | jepler | I am packaging a kernel module that doesn't work right with udev, so I want to create device nodes in /lib/udev/devices/ when I install the package. should I do this by actually running 'mknod' from debian/rules, or by the postinst script? I googled and skimmed the Debian New Maintainers' Guide and Debian Developer's Reference but didn't see the answer. |
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| 03:32.55 | Aquarina | i'm technically bad at computers |
| 03:33.59 | Aquarina | well... see ya |
| 03:33.59 | documan | Aquarina are you pussy ? |
| 03:34.07 | Aquarina | and thanks again |
| 03:34.24 | Aquarina | documan: no |
| 03:35.23 | Aquarina | do=from cu=ass man=man in english - you do have a funny nick also |
| 03:35.34 | Aquarina | ;-) |
| 03:35.37 | jepler | zing! |
| 03:36.10 | documan | in mongol language |
| 03:36.10 | protocol1 | how can I check if direct rendering is enabled |
| 03:36.14 | protocol1 | ? |
| 03:36.40 | linux2 | can someone help me with proftpd |
| 03:36.43 | jepler | protocol1: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 03:36.53 | linux2 | for some reason users of konqueror and IE cannot open up the ftp connection |
| 03:36.55 | vinsci | documan, more likely portuguese |
| 03:37.05 | linux2 | it is unknown as to why because many other proftpd server do not have this issue |
| 03:37.19 | linux2 | as well as proftpd on the same machine on the same network running mandriva 2006 |
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| 03:38.39 | pickcoder | linux2: is anonymous login enabled? |
| 03:38.39 | protocol1 | what package is glxgears in again? |
| 03:38.53 | linux2 | pickcoder: nope, don't want anonymouse |
| 03:39.04 | linux2 | pickcoder: login and file display works fine in firefox |
| 03:39.10 | linux2 | so its not a login issue |
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| 03:42.14 | protocol1 | someone told me earlier...I should have saved it |
| 03:42.29 | hagabaka | is the debian/changelog file in a source tarball automatically generated? |
| 03:43.22 | rahul | hagabaka: no |
| 03:43.33 | rahul | hagabaka: there are tools to help. dch, I believe |
| 03:43.47 | rahul | hagabaka: and an emacs mode |
| 03:44.04 | hagabaka | is it only changelog for the package, or for the program? |
| 03:44.07 | linux2 | now if i ftp to ftp://10.10.0.150 it works fin |
| 03:44.09 | linux2 | fine |
| 03:44.10 | rahul | the package |
| 03:44.14 | hagabaka | oh |
| 03:44.16 | linux2 | but if i ftp to rpmmaker.net |
| 03:44.18 | rahul | the program's changelog is just generic documentation |
| 03:44.20 | linux2 | then it doesn't |
| 03:44.22 | linux2 | what gives! |
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| 03:44.58 | hagabaka | there's a program that forked into another project. the debian directory is from the old project. when updating it, should i keep the changelog? |
| 03:45.28 | broadcast | i installed etch and when i get updates it change a hda device for hde and hdb for hdf. |
| 03:45.35 | pickcoder | rpmmaker.net doesn't point to that IP |
| 03:45.46 | pickcoder | is 10.10.0.150 a local IP? |
| 03:46.43 | Trevie | Yes. |
| 03:50.07 | linux2 | pickcoder: yeah |
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| 03:50.20 | linux2 | pickcoder: so it works fine in my lan but not with outside connections |
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| 03:56.47 | nick255 | was it in woody that tasksel let you choose help or something and see which packages a task would include? |
| 03:57.07 | nick255 | is there still a feature like that? |
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| 04:02.54 | SerajewelKS | is etch in package freeze yet? |
| 04:06.22 | Cyis | SerajewelKS: Etch entered free 12/11... didn't you ask that last week or this past weekend? |
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| 04:06.51 | Drizzt321 | I'm looking for a program that can, at least, partially automate the organization of a large number of audio files into a single hierarchial filesystem structure based on the id3 tags. anyone know of one? |
| 04:07.00 | ragazzo | mm |
| 04:07.22 | rahul | Drizzt321: the as-yet-barely-started defplayer :) |
| 04:07.35 | Drizzt321 | rahul: defplayer? sf? |
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| 04:07.51 | rendered | aye freaks |
| 04:08.13 | Drizzt321 | hiya rendered |
| 04:08.16 | rahul | Drizzt321: common-lisp.net |
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| 04:08.26 | rahul | Drizzt321: there's basically no code, tho :P just classes mostly |
| 04:08.30 | Drizzt321 | lol |
| 04:08.45 | hagabaka | :O |
| 04:08.48 | rahul | I want to make the filesystem a reliable DBMS |
| 04:08.57 | rahul | such a beast is not easy to create :) |
| 04:09.36 | Drizzt321 | rahul: there are basically no apps out there that I've found. they all pretty much just do the whole 'dynamic magical playlist' stuff. all they do is pull in all the audio files, not reogranize them on the fs in case you actually want to navigate the fs to find something |
| 04:09.38 | Drizzt321 | *sigh* |
| 04:09.43 | rahul | yep |
| 04:09.51 | rahul | hence my inspiration :) |
| 04:10.04 | Drizzt321 | I've been thinking of making a script for myself...but that just gets so involved |
| 04:10.05 | Drizzt321 | lol |
| 04:10.10 | rahul | heh |
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| 04:10.16 | rahul | oh well, gotta run to the bar |
| 04:10.19 | rahul | have fun ;) |
| 04:10.20 | Drizzt321 | hmm...maybe I have my project to dig into C more than just a class in it |
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| 04:10.22 | Drizzt321 | cya |
| 04:13.05 | rendered | what do all you peopel do ? |
| 04:13.08 | rendered | mostly sys admins ? |
| 04:13.10 | rendered | net admins ? |
| 04:13.30 | m1ke_l | sys admin |
| 04:13.48 | Cyis | sys & net admin |
| 04:13.53 | Cyis | also do QA |
| 04:14.31 | Drizzt321 | code monkey |
| 04:14.33 | wastrel | hi |
| 04:14.41 | m1ke_l | hi wastrel |
| 04:14.47 | Drizzt321 | at least for now, I'm thinking of going into security/IA stuff |
| 04:14.50 | Drizzt321 | howdy wastrel |
| 04:14.51 | rendered | hi mike |
| 04:14.58 | m1ke_l | good evening |
| 04:15.13 | rendered | troubles this eve ? |
| 04:15.16 | rendered | not here |
| 04:15.19 | rendered | all cards working |
| 04:15.33 | m1ke_l | all good here...just heading for bed shortly |
| 04:15.38 | rendered | killer |
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| 04:18.07 | pandora_ | "408 newly installed... after unpacking, 558MB of additional disk space..." = wtf? |
| 04:18.31 | pandora_ | I'm getting that problem again, where any time I try to install something, apt declares everything needs to be installed. |
| 04:19.10 | pipeline | pandora_: You haven't upgraded in a while. |
| 04:19.20 | pandora_ | No I upgrade weekly at least. |
| 04:19.37 | epsilon | running what? |
| 04:19.45 | pandora_ | aptitude dist-upgrade, usually. |
| 04:20.40 | pandora_ | For instance, it says screen is "not installed" even though the screen binary is still there. |
| 04:22.34 | pandora_ | It's as if the package manager suddenly lost track of its list of managed files. |
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| 04:25.23 | pandora_ | Also sometimes it says there's an Uncaught exception that this assertion fails: bd.broken_under(solution::root_node(initial_broken, universe, weights)) |
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| 04:28.14 | Element14 | test |
| 04:29.05 | Element14 | hmm...... still some internet connectivity..... |
| 04:29.28 | wastrel | internet |
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| 04:29.45 | valdyn | pandora_: i know this bug, if its the same that happens with apt-get too, may even be a kernel bug if you are using debian's 2.6.18 or higher, just rerun aptitude update |
| 04:29.58 | pandora_ | Will do. |
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| 04:30.35 | Element14 | it seems that the taiwan earthquake has messed up quite a bit of the lines..... i'm in hk and it's worse than 56K here... |
| 04:30.35 | pandora_ | Well it says 'screen' is installed now... |
| 04:30.55 | valdyn | pandora_: debians 2.6.18 or kernel.org 2.6.19 or higher have a filesystem bug that they are yet failing to fix.. |
| 04:31.18 | pandora_ | So I notice. Is it deadly nasty, or can I wait? |
| 04:33.22 | pandora_ | Yes, the update seems to have worked! Thanks valdyn. |
| 04:33.28 | valdyn | pandora_: depends on your workload really, the bug is normally quite rare, only happens on special access patterns somehow |
| 04:33.53 | valdyn | pandora_: rtorrent exposes it quite well |
| 04:34.02 | pandora_ | I have managed to lock up the system trying to record an ISO over a device mapped partition... |
| 04:34.51 | valdyn | pandora_: files are (partially) filled with zeroes instead of the real data |
| 04:35.26 | valdyn | pandora_: lockup may or may not be related, but thats not the usua symptom certainly |
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| 04:36.13 | valdyn | pandora_: if you can, just use debian kernels <= 2.6.18-2 or upstream < 2.6.19 |
| 04:36.35 | pandora_ | This looks like the problem: http://lkml.org/lkml/fancy/2006/12/17/120 |
| 04:37.39 | valdyn | pandora_: yea, exactly |
| 04:37.44 | pandora_ | Damn, I'll have to remake a 2.6.18 kernel since I cleaned the directory. |
| 04:38.16 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 04:38.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 04:39.34 | pandora_ | I'm cool with compiling the upstream kernel. I like having at least that tailored to my system. |
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| 04:41.32 | broadcast | i updated my linux and udev change my devices(hd) names. |
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| 04:48.48 | Treibholz | hi, how can I write kernel-parameters directly in the Kernel-Image? |
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| 04:53.13 | linlin | how can i setup my x server setting automatically |
| 04:53.17 | linlin | the GUI fail to start |
| 04:53.26 | teledyn__ | " year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems" i love the way that sounds |
| 04:53.45 | jfletcher | linlin: configure it properly? |
| 04:54.06 | teledyn__ | like the matrix computer had a glitch |
| 04:54.09 | linlin | i do not know where to start |
| 04:54.28 | jfletcher | maybe you should read a guide on it. |
| 04:54.38 | jfletcher | it should ask you on the installer, beginner medium or advanced |
| 04:54.40 | teledyn__ | !tell linlin about drx |
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| 04:56.02 | teledyn__ | "What the hell *was* I doing in 2004? I can't remember anything!" |
| 04:57.28 | linlin | i cant get this crap to work |
| 04:57.33 | teledyn__ | "I remember New Year's Eve 2003, then suddenly everything just goes blank...." |
| 04:57.39 | teledyn__ | !drx |
| 04:57.40 | dpkg | [drxx] dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 04:57.45 | linlin | i did that |
| 04:57.53 | linlin | answered all the questions the right way |
| 04:58.09 | linlin | fails to initialize core devices |
| 04:58.56 | mhall | pandora_: oof |
| 04:59.03 | mhall | pandora_: wtf happened |
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| 04:59.26 | pandora_ | mhall: 2004 happened, yo. |
| 04:59.29 | teledyn__ | linlin: did you install xserver-xorg? |
| 04:59.41 | teledyn__ | linlin: on etch, or sarge, i should ask? |
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| 05:01.13 | linlin | its 3.1 |
| 05:01.15 | teledyn__ | what is a chamois? a small antelope-like creature, no? |
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| 05:01.58 | teledyn__ | linlin: well output would be helpful |
| 05:02.26 | mhall | teledyn__: well in US vernacular it's a special leather like animal skin used to absorb water from e.g. wet cars newly washed |
| 05:02.29 | teledyn__ | linlin: this is standard xserver-xfree86 on sarge? or did you do something weird? |
| 05:02.52 | mhall | teledyn__: 1 : a small goatlike bovid (Rupicapra rupicapra) of mountainous regions from southern Europe to the Caucasus |
| 05:02.56 | linlin | i just selected "desktop environment" on tasksel |
| 05:03.01 | mhall | teledyn__: and defn. 2 is the one i provided |
| 05:03.33 | linlin | hang on let me figure out a way to get he output |
| 05:03.42 | teledyn__ | wait, was he *wearing* the chamois when he awoke? |
| 05:03.49 | mhall | linlin: printf("he\n"); should work |
| 05:04.09 | mhall | teledyn__: can you _wear_ those? |
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| 05:04.53 | teledyn__ | mhall: i could picture someone wearing one, with maybe a bow-and-arrow or something |
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| 05:09.07 | teledyn__ | some kinda retro-thing |
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| 05:09.07 | linlin | here you are teledyn__ http://pastebin.ca/293095 |
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| 05:09.07 | linlin | i have a 17'' LCD screen that can display 1280x1024 at 60hz |
| 05:09.07 | teledyn__ | linlin: maybe try /dev/psaux instead? that is what i often use... |
| 05:09.08 | itchi | linlin: A mouse trouble |
| 05:09.08 | itchi | mice |
| 05:09.08 | teledyn__ | linlin: on the lines beginning with "EE" matter - those are the errors |
| 05:09.08 | linlin | so the whole problem is just the mouse? |
| 05:09.08 | linlin | its a regular ps/2 mouse.. |
| 05:09.08 | teledyn__ | linlin: oh, and did you select framebuffer? you should not. |
| 05:09.08 | itchi | linlin: At this stage, yes |
| 05:09.08 | teledyn__ | what does "(EE) R128(0): No DFP detected" indicate? |
| 05:09.45 | teledyn__ | linlin: so reconfigure again and try /dev/psaux and make sure no framebuffer |
| 05:10.00 | linlin | ok i set the mousr to psaux now i have a little X coursor with some red and blue crap at the top of the screen |
| 05:10.07 | itchi | teledyn__: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg00235.html |
| 05:10.08 | linlin | where do i turn off framwbuffer |
| 05:10.16 | itchi | !drxx |
| 05:10.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 05:10.28 | teledyn__ | linlin: when you do the reconfigure. it asks if you want to use it |
| 05:10.29 | itchi | And say no |
| 05:11.14 | linlin | oh wait a sec i see the debian logo |
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| 05:11.21 | linlin | its jsut really really really slow and malformed |
| 05:11.23 | teledyn__ | linlin: most of the rest like video ram you should be able to leave blank because it will autodetect it |
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| 05:12.08 | linlin | it doesnt prompt me for ram or anything about framwbuffer |
| 05:12.33 | itchi | linlin: Have you Sarge? |
| 05:12.34 | teledyn__ | linlin: what? when you reconfigure? |
| 05:12.47 | linlin | wait, yeah it asks me video ram |
| 05:12.54 | linlin | nothing about frame buffer |
| 05:12.56 | itchi | linlin: Leave it blank |
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| 05:13.33 | linlin | i have been |
| 05:13.39 | linlin | what about server modules? |
| 05:14.03 | liable | isnt the frame buffer one in base-config? |
| 05:14.07 | teledyn__ | depending on your card, if it supports DRI, then you'd want all of them |
| 05:14.21 | linlin | hmm...fixed it |
| 05:14.22 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.24 | linux3 | hey can anyone help me with my proftpd server |
| 05:14.27 | linux3 | http://pastebin.ca/293102 |
| 05:14.30 | linux3 | there is my conf file |
| 05:14.31 | linlin | turned down color depth from 24 or something to 15 |
| 05:14.40 | linux3 | for some reason i cannot access my server from outside my lan |
| 05:14.42 | itchi | That's the question |
| 05:15.05 | linux3 | i have been trying to figure out why not using tcpdump but haven't come up with much |
| 05:15.14 | itchi | linlin: It's not an depth trouble, otherwise he had complain about it |
| 05:15.24 | teledyn__ | linux3: access how? |
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| 05:15.53 | linlin | its perfect now |
| 05:15.56 | teledyn__ | linux3: like walk into the same room with? |
| 05:15.59 | linux3 | teledyn__: well if i type ftp://10.10.0.150 it works fine, shows all files in konqueror and all other browsers. but if i type in ftp://rpmmaker.net then it only works in firefox corretly |
| 05:16.04 | linlin | got it running at 1280x1024 and life is good |
| 05:16.13 | linux3 | rpmmaker.net points to a wan ip address |
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| 05:16.22 | teledyn__ | linux3: don't use ftp |
| 05:16.28 | itchi | !ftpmustdie |
| 05:16.28 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 05:16.31 | linux3 | i have checked my port forwarding and everything but haven't been able to get it to work |
| 05:16.43 | teledyn__ | linux3: use scp |
| 05:16.43 | linux3 | itchi: heh, its not for me |
| 05:16.47 | linux3 | teledyn__: i do |
| 05:16.54 | linux3 | its for my other server users |
| 05:16.57 | linux3 | i won't use ftp |
| 05:17.15 | teledyn__ | linux3: they can use it too. there are even windoze clients. |
| 05:17.29 | wireddd | I just got my new videocard working properly, what are some good opengl games I can download? |
| 05:17.42 | teledyn__ | linux3: it also includes the sftp protocol which is similar to ftp but better |
| 05:17.57 | linux3 | teledyn__: they are a linux user |
| 05:18.12 | teledyn__ | wireddd: with direct rendering? |
| 05:18.13 | linux3 | teledyn__: they would like a graphical linux scp client i suppose then |
| 05:18.19 | wireddd | teledyn__, yes |
| 05:18.27 | teledyn__ | wireddd: i like gltron |
| 05:18.43 | teledyn__ | linux3: there you go. |
| 05:19.25 | linux3 | teledyn__: problem being. there are no graphical scp clients for linux |
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| 05:19.56 | Treibholz | linux3: even konqeror can. |
| 05:19.58 | linlin | now i gotta get synergy running on this beast |
| 05:19.59 | teledyn__ | linux3: most ftp clients should handle it |
| 05:20.27 | linux3 | Treibholz: humm, how does konqueror use it |
| 05:20.31 | linux3 | scp:// doesn't work |
| 05:20.31 | teledyn__ | linux3: i think gftp does |
| 05:20.53 | mhall | wireddd: bzflag |
| 05:20.58 | mhall | wireddd: america's army |
| 05:21.00 | Treibholz | linux3: try sftp:// |
| 05:21.11 | mhall | wireddd: i think there are some older id titles which have been made free as in beer |
| 05:21.20 | mhall | wireddd: tuxracer is canonical |
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| 05:21.34 | Treibholz | mhall: quake1-3 is free as in freedom |
| 05:21.43 | linux3 | Treibholz: humm, looks great. THANKS! :-) |
| 05:21.48 | mhall | Treibholz: ah, pass it on to wireddd |
| 05:21.57 | mhall | Treibholz: i didn't realize they'd made the change |
| 05:22.02 | Treibholz | but only the code, not the levels |
| 05:22.14 | linux3 | Treibholz: what port does it run on? |
| 05:22.21 | Treibholz | linux3: 22 |
| 05:23.01 | wireddd | I already tried americas army |
| 05:23.22 | wireddd | I just downloaded sauerbraten |
| 05:23.23 | itchi | linux3: Maybe you want winscp |
| 05:23.37 | linux3 | itchi: don't use windows at all, neither do my users |
| 05:23.50 | itchi | linux3: Your good! :-) |
| 05:24.00 | itchi | wireddd: Look on the debian's wiki |
| 05:24.10 | feross | hello. bash question.. I need to 'ffmpeg -i capture[001-020].dv -target ntsc-svcd svcdout/capture[001-020].mpg' .... the [001-020] part doesn't work, any other way to do that? |
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| 05:24.18 | blazemonger | is debian testing good right now? |
| 05:24.42 | itchi | mhall: Work america's army on linux? Without wine |
| 05:24.56 | zinx | itchi: Not a new version. |
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| 05:25.00 | blazemonger | or should i use sid ? |
| 05:25.05 | linux3 | itchi: haven't used windows for 5 years now |
| 05:25.23 | itchi | linux3: Your crazy good :-p |
| 05:25.31 | linux3 | itchi: as a t-shirt says. a bad day with with linux is better than a good day with windows |
| 05:25.35 | linux3 | itchi: am i? |
| 05:25.37 | teledyn__ | fernet: for i in `seq -w 001 020`; do ffmpeg ...capture$1.mpg.... |
| 05:25.38 | Treibholz | feross: for i in `seq -w 1 20` do ffmpeg -i capture${i}.dv -target ntsc-svcd svcdout/capture${i}.mpeg; done |
| 05:25.58 | teledyn__ | fernet: Oops! that shoud be: for i in `seq -w 001 020`; do ffmpeg ...capture$i.mpg.... |
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| 05:26.37 | mhall | itchi: i thought it did |
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| 05:26.41 | mhall | itchi: maybe i am wrong |
| 05:26.49 | alexcamilo | anyone familiar with XMLrpc in python? |
| 05:26.54 | blazemonger | ive been trying to find a distro that works and doesnt have any packaging problems |
| 05:26.54 | blazemonger | i tried ubuntu but it was way unstable like simple games like billard-gl didnt work |
| 05:27.03 | wastrel | still doesn't preserve the first 0. use capture0$i |
| 05:27.10 | linux3 | itchi: everyone should only use linux :-) |
| 05:27.20 | blazemonger | to use debian sid do i just install the simple stuff then install everythign else after apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:27.37 | alexcamilo | linux3: i dunno. for some things sadly, you need windoze |
| 05:27.44 | itchi | linux3: With GNU and Debian, yeah :-) |
| 05:27.53 | linux3 | itchi: debian user here |
| 05:27.55 | teledyn__ | blazemonger: sid is unstable. you want sarge or etch |
| 05:28.00 | linux3 | itchi: only one thing i don't like about it |
| 05:28.01 | feross | Treibholz teledyn__ : I guess what you guys are saying is basically the same thing.. I'll give `seq -w 1 20` do ffmpeg -i capture${i}.dv -target ntsc-svcd svcdout/capture${i}.mpeg; done ... a shot.. |
| 05:28.19 | linux3 | alexcamilo: yeah but maybe oneday that won't be true, i have seen more and more people switching over |
| 05:28.25 | alexcamilo | i would gladly switch to linux if i could get matlab, and a bunch of the IDEs they use at my school working in lunux. lol |
| 05:28.30 | Treibholz | feross: I forgot one 0 |
| 05:28.35 | alexcamilo | for desktop use. hellz yah |
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| 05:28.41 | teledyn__ | alexcamilo: care to elaborate? what things? |
| 05:28.51 | CHodapp | how do I search for what package has a certain file? |
| 05:28.57 | itchi | alexcamilo: Stupid school you have |
| 05:28.58 | CHodapp | MATLAB runs on Linux. |
| 05:29.06 | alexcamilo | oo? |
| 05:29.10 | Chandu | CHodapp, use apt-file |
| 05:29.23 | feross | Treibholz: `seq -w 001 020` do ffmpeg -i capture${i}.dv -target ntsc-svcd svcdout/capture${i}.mpeg; done ... like that? |
| 05:29.25 | itchi | alexcamilo: These may not allowed to force you to run Wintendo, or at least, if these pay it for you |
| 05:29.27 | enveezee | Chandu: packages.debian.org |
| 05:29.35 | linux3 | alexcamilo: yeah see, maybe one day that software will work in linux |
| 05:29.45 | CHodapp | Chandu: thanks. |
| 05:29.50 | alexcamilo | i'm looking foeward to the day it does |
| 05:30.13 | alexcamilo | one of the items i have to use. xilinx does have a linux port. but only x86 sadly. |
| 05:30.57 | alexcamilo | and its closed source. :-( |
| 05:30.57 | CHodapp | it's another chicken-and-egg problem... most vendors won't port unless marketshare is large... most marketshare won't grow unless certain ports exist. So it's only movement at the fringe sometimes that gets anywhere. |
| 05:30.57 | Chandu | CHodapp, welcome |
| 05:30.57 | pstickne | holy crap. I think this computer is hosed. |
| 05:31.11 | enveezee | pstickne: na you're still online |
| 05:31.12 | pstickne | fdisk /dev/hda > v > 117210239 unallocated sectors |
| 05:31.21 | pstickne | enveezee, wait until I try and restart :-/ |
| 05:31.25 | pstickne | p > no partitions |
| 05:31.25 | enveezee | heh |
| 05:31.31 | enveezee | who needs to restart |
| 05:31.40 | CHodapp | "soundplayer.cpp:77: error: array bound forbidden after parenthesized type-id" . . . hmmm |
| 05:31.49 | pstickne | well, I guess I'll need to fix this problem sooner or later :-/ |
| 05:31.55 | sunrunner20|zzz | egh |
| 05:32.04 | sunrunner20|zzz | what about xilinx? |
| 05:35.11 | alexcamilo | ive seen a bios chip that melted the sticker on top of it. it had this round dot where the plastic was burnt through. dunno how it happened but i stopped trying to get it to post after i found that. |
| 05:35.11 | pstickne | yeah, fdisk reports my table as blank. |
| 05:35.11 | CHodapp | I had a ribbon cable on a floppy drive catch fire once |
| 05:35.11 | pstickne | here goes lots of pain |
| 05:35.11 | linux3 | CHodapp: rofl |
| 05:35.11 | CHodapp | pstickne: save the MBR, create a new partition using all available space using 'fdisk' which won't touch anything else, and maybe it will work? |
| 05:35.12 | CHodapp | sigh, my luck is bad |
| 05:35.12 | teledyn__ | oops he's gone |
| 05:35.12 | teledyn__ | why didn't he think of trying to copy off his data first? |
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| 05:35.53 | CHodapp | gaaaah, why do my lights have to dim when I compile a Qt app? |
| 05:36.16 | mhall | what are the POSIX include flags for big/little endian called? |
| 05:36.40 | mhall | CHodapp: seriously? |
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| 05:47.23 | bintut | hello all.. |
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| 05:47.23 | bintut | anyone here has a copy of the mirrors_full of debian? i can't download it from the debian website because the internet connection from my place is very slow |
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| 05:47.23 | bintut | anyone here knows the debian mirrors in asia? |
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| 05:48.09 | screwed | dammit. why won't my computer boot without a partition table? |
| 05:48.37 | screwed | there is a particular tool I remember using that could scan a disk and recover the partition information; does anyone know the name? |
| 05:48.57 | bintut | my connection here is very slow.. the network peering to the internet of my isp experiences huge packet losses.. :( |
| 05:48.59 | enveezee | screwed: gpart |
| 05:49.02 | enveezee | !info gpart |
| 05:49.10 | dpkg | gpart: (Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1h-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 05:49.29 | vinsci | screwed, try one of these: http://www.opensourceforensics.org/tools/unix.html |
| 05:49.41 | bintut | anyone cares to give me the debian mirrors located in asia? |
| 05:50.05 | enveezee | bintut: look on the website |
| 05:50.08 | enveezee | !mirrors |
| 05:50.08 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 05:50.15 | screwed | enveezee: vinsci, thanks |
| 05:50.15 | bintut | enveezee: i can't even access to it. |
| 05:50.42 | enveezee | bintut: if you cant access the website how are you going to access a package mirror? |
| 05:50.42 | bintut | enveezee: i tried using the netselect-apt tool but it can't download the mirrors_full html file |
| 05:50.53 | mzilikazi | wodi -scanbus does not see my DVD+RW drive, cdrdao scanbus does |
| 05:51.05 | mzilikazi | errr wodim -scanbus |
| 05:51.08 | mzilikazi | but |
| 05:51.13 | bintut | anyone cares to give me the debian mirror sites located somewhere in asia? |
| 05:51.20 | mzilikazi | wodim is perfectly capable of using the dvd+rw drive |
| 05:51.24 | mzilikazi | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4928 |
| 05:51.27 | cartesian1984 | Hello, hello. I'm wondering whether or not it is possible to apply the debian installer to an ubuntu derivative I just hacked up. |
| 05:51.48 | enveezee | cartesian1984: #debian-boot maybe? |
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| 05:51.55 | cartesian1984 | enveezee: thanks! |
| 05:52.00 | vinsci | !custom cd |
| 05:52.00 | dpkg | i guess custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
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| 05:52.23 | cartesian1984 | vinsci: thank you immensely. Exactly what I needed. |
| 05:52.35 | vinsci | cheers |
| 05:52.44 | mzilikazi | bintut: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 05:52.53 | Element14 | screwed: i fscked up my partition table a while ago. used gpart and recovered |
| 05:53.59 | bintut | mzilikazi: i can't access it.. would you care to give me the mirror sites in asia? |
| 05:54.08 | screwed | this is going to take a while isn't it? :( |
| 05:54.23 | mzilikazi | bintut: well there are LOTS of mirros in asia |
| 05:54.50 | screwed | Element14: yeah, crossing my fingers now. nothing drastically important but I'd rather not reconfigure everything. |
| 05:55.03 | bintut | mzilikazi: can you give me the mirror sites in japan or hongkong? |
| 05:55.25 | bintut | i'll try to check my packet losses here if tollerable |
| 05:55.43 | bintut | i'm experiencing packet losses here which is beyond my control |
| 05:56.12 | mzilikazi | ftp.jp.debian.org |
| 05:56.16 | screwed | bintut: pretty much just have to wait it out... TCP will try to help but sometimes you're just screwed. |
| 05:56.46 | mzilikazi | ftp.hk.debian.org |
| 05:57.11 | cartesian1984 | bintut: there's one in japan, one in hong kong, and one in Taiwan. Do you just need a link to the FTP, or some subdirectory thereof? |
| 05:59.07 | bintut | mzilikazi: thanks for the hk mirror.. it's much faster here and less packet losses.. :) |
| 05:59.25 | mzilikazi | sure np :) |
| 05:59.26 | bintut | cartesian1984: just a link to the ftp.. |
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| 06:00.39 | Element14 | bintut: deb http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 06:00.42 | Element14 | mzilikazi: the earthquake in taiwan yesterday fscked up the internet connection in asia... |
| 06:00.52 | Element14 | the internet speed now is horrible..... it feels like everybody is sharing a 56k line..... |
| 06:01.21 | bintut | Element14: yeah, i'm currently upgrading the system already.. this is a fresh install from a minimal debian etch installation.. :) |
| 06:01.39 | bintut | guys, thank you very much for the help.. now i can eat my lunch.. :) |
| 06:01.42 | bintut | brb |
| 06:01.44 | Element14 | deb http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 06:02.07 | mzilikazi | hmm i did not hear about the earthquake - on vacation all week but i do alot of videoconferencing w/ Asia - hopefully it's fixed by next week |
| 06:02.28 | linux3 | hey can someone help me with scponlyc |
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| 06:02.42 | linux3 | for some reasn when i try to setup scponlyc for a user to login with it doesn't work |
| 06:02.48 | linux3 | it says login incorrect |
| 06:02.53 | linux3 | even though its correct |
| 06:02.59 | linux3 | if i use scponly then it works fin |
| 06:03.00 | linux3 | fine |
| 06:03.20 | linux3 | in the passwd file of course. I basically need users to be jailed to their home dirs and start out there |
| 06:03.44 | screwed | linux3: that's harsh :-/ |
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| 06:04.18 | screwed | linux3: do they have access to the shell in their jail? |
| 06:04.34 | screwed | (or whatever it tries to start) |
| 06:05.36 | linux3 | screwed: not that i know of |
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| 06:07.14 | Chewed-On | Hello everybody! |
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| 06:07.23 | Chewed-On | I assume you all are Gurus of Debian yes? |
| 06:07.54 | Chewed-On | I have a questions. . . |
| 06:08.18 | linux_jones | can i route the internet from my wireless through to my eth0? so i can play playstation in my room? |
| 06:08.29 | Chewed-On | I deleted the libGL.so files (libGL.so, libGL.so.1, libGL.so.1.3) from /usr/lib folder for my Debian. |
| 06:08.53 | Chewed-On | Is there a way to recover them? |
| 06:09.23 | kgoetz | Chewed-On: find the package they are form, teh reinstall the package |
| 06:09.26 | enveezee | !find libGL.so.1.3 |
| 06:09.28 | kgoetz | linux_jones: suppose so |
| 06:09.41 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libGL.so.1.3' returned no results. |
| 06:09.53 | linux3 | ok im getting that the connection is broken when using scponlyc |
| 06:09.56 | linux3 | whats up with that? |
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| 06:10.10 | linux_jones | kgoetz, do you know how? |
| 06:10.33 | Chewed-On | xlibmesa3 I think have these files but I use synaptic to reinstall xlibmesa3 but the files were still not there. |
| 06:10.39 | enveezee | !find libGL.so.1 |
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| 06:10.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so.1' (4 of 7): (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.8776) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.7184) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2) in libs/libgl1-mesa-glx,non-free/x11/fglrx-driver ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.5.060501, /usr/lib/i686/cmov/{libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.5.060501}) in libs/libgl1-mesa-swx11. |
| 06:10.49 | Chewed-On | ? |
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| 06:11.10 | kgoetz | linux_jones: on its simplest level, put a 2nd nic in the laptop, run `echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward as root, plug in, and go |
| 06:11.50 | Chewed-On | I'm sorry, I don't know how to use Debian. I've been trying to help my brother install his graphics driver for an ATi graphics card on an IBM laptop, so please don't get pissed off at me if I'm slow ^.^! |
| 06:12.20 | Chewed-On | Is "!find libGL.so.1" some kind of shell command? |
| 06:12.39 | screwed | Chewed-On: doesn't look like it. |
| 06:12.57 | screwed | find /start/root -name filename works better |
| 06:13.02 | kgoetz | Chewed-On: no, it asks the bot dpkg to find it |
| 06:13.12 | Chewed-On | OK. |
| 06:13.12 | enveezee | apt-get install --reinstall fglrx-driver |
| 06:13.17 | enveezee | is a shell command |
| 06:13.20 | cahoot | Chewed-On: is this on a debian system? |
| 06:13.35 | Chewed-On | Um, his distribution is Debian 3.1 Sarge. |
| 06:13.50 | Chewed-On | Kernel 2.6.8-2-636 or something. |
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| 06:15.14 | wastrel | debian |
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| 06:18.17 | mhall | !tell Chewed-On about pdo |
| 06:18.22 | mhall | Chewed-On: pdo will help you a lot |
| 06:18.46 | screwed | well, initial scan of gparted looked 'ok' |
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| 06:19.13 | linux_jones | kgoetz, and that will work even if im not using ipv4 and the first nic is wireless and and throught ndiswrapper? |
| 06:20.03 | wastrel | bye now |
| 06:20.07 | kgoetz | linux_jones: if your using ipv6 put 6 not 4 |
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| 06:20.16 | kgoetz | if your using something else, you have to ask someone else |
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| 06:20.29 | linux_jones | how do i find out? |
| 06:20.43 | kgoetz | linux_jones: why would it not be using ipv4? |
| 06:20.56 | linux_jones | i dont know, i though that was the newest one |
| 06:22.06 | wireddd | my mouse is really messed up in every opengl game I try and play, I seem to remember having similar problems in qemu and I had to export something although I can't remember what it was |
| 06:24.15 | linux_jones | kgoetz, my nic isnt doing anything, no lights |
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| 06:25.16 | kgoetz | linux_jones: look on debian-administration.org (or similar url). it has a thing on setting up a debian gateway. try that out |
| 06:25.34 | fr3ak | can anyone guide. is it possible to make apt caches *.deb to cd/dvds? |
| 06:25.40 | linux_jones | ya |
| 06:25.53 | fr3ak | *.deb files in /var/cache/apt/archive dir |
| 06:25.54 | kgoetz | linux_jones: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
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| 06:29.57 | alexcamilo | what is specification creep? |
| 06:30.30 | wireddd | its like feature creep, but involves specifications |
| 06:31.06 | kgoetz | hehehe |
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| 06:31.29 | alexcamilo | i still dont quite get it. are they adding new specifications that old clients cant meet? |
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| 06:32.37 | enouf | fr3ak: you mean apt-cdrom ? |
| 06:33.24 | fr3ak | well, i need *.deb files in /var/cache/apt dir to cd/dvd |
| 06:34.17 | fr3ak | enouf, so that i can access to local package..not by Inet |
| 06:34.41 | enouf | fr3ak: /msg apt-cdrom ? |
| 06:34.52 | enouf | er forget the ? |
| 06:34.59 | enouf | crap |
| 06:35.04 | enouf | !apt-cdrom |
| 06:35.04 | dpkg | well, apt-cdrom is used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources |
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| 06:35.26 | enouf | fr3ak: just so ya know .. I meant--> /msg dpkg apt-cdrom |
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| 06:39.26 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 06:39.34 | Chewed-On | So how do I install graphics driver for ATi cards using Debian 3.1? |
| 06:39.34 | fr3ak | enouf, well, I've five local Debian machine.. on LAN..and I'm wish to upgrade packeges over inernet, the thing is do i need to download every package servral times? |
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| 06:40.30 | fr3ak | enouf, I need a solution to make apt-caches to cds or dvds |
| 06:40.32 | enouf | fr3ak: no .. not using apt-cdrom |
| 06:40.41 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 06:41.06 | fr3ak | hmm |
| 06:41.22 | enouf | fr3ak: apt-cache show apt-cdrom |
| 06:41.47 | enouf | fr3ak: nm |
| 06:42.00 | Chandu | fr3ak, Which Package do you need to download |
| 06:42.13 | Chandu | fr3ak, Which pacakge do U want to upgrade |
| 06:42.42 | Chandu | fr3ak, Whether you want to upgrade whole your distro , means all the pacakges |
| 06:42.45 | fr3ak | Chandu, well, i need to make cds out of /var/cache/apt dir |
| 06:43.03 | enouf | fr3ak: it's part of apt pkg .. ~$ dpkg -S apt-cdrom |
| 06:43.06 | Chandu | fr3ak, Do you want to build debian custom CD |
| 06:43.24 | enouf | fr3ak: reads the docs it point sto |
| 06:43.31 | enouf | points to |
| 06:43.33 | fr3ak | Chandu, well, no..i trying to reuse it on other debian system |
| 06:43.55 | Chandu | fr3ak, then use apt-move to move package in /var/cache/apt/archives to create a local pool for you |
| 06:43.59 | enouf | which is basically man spt-cdrom :-P |
| 06:44.03 | enouf | bah |
| 06:44.09 | Chandu | fr3ak, means it will create local repo with those packages |
| 06:44.25 | fr3ak | yeah exactlylol I'm n00b :P |
| 06:44.35 | Chandu | fr3ak, Write that into cd .. and then you can use apt-get to install in the local machine |
| 06:45.30 | fr3ak | hmm thanks |
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| 06:45.45 | Chewed-On | Hey guys, I followed this: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide webpage to install the ATi graphics driver for Debian 3.1 using method 1. Is this the right way? When I was installing it last night, I didn't get any errors but the graphics driver didn't work, I didn't get the same result when I typed "fglrxinfo". |
| 06:46.18 | Chandu | fr3ak, welcome |
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| 06:50.59 | pandora_ | What package is transcode in? |
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| 06:56.18 | Chewed-On | ffmpeg I think pandora. |
| 06:56.37 | Chewed-On | Try typing transcode into Google, it usually come up with the package that have that file. |
| 06:56.45 | pandora_ | Sure. |
| 06:57.44 | vinsci | pandora_, might have to get it from debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:58.10 | Chandu | pandora_, apt-file search transcode |
| 06:58.33 | Chandu | pandora_, I think that is not in official debian mirror |
| 06:58.47 | Chandu | pandora_, check with the mirror what vinsci gave |
| 06:59.05 | vinsci | which is also not an official package source, I think |
| 06:59.23 | Chandu | vinsci, yup |
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| 07:04.06 | darkoh | hello everybody im trying to run superkaramba but im getting this error, ( superkaramba: error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ) can anybody instruct me what to do pls |
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| 07:06.09 | liable | try LD_PRELOAD |
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| 07:08.53 | darkoh | ah it say's command not found |
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| 07:10.25 | vinsci | darkoh, he means LD_PRELOAD=/path/to/libXinerama.so.1 superkaramba |
| 07:14.32 | liable | wireddd: thanks |
| 07:14.35 | liable | doh |
| 07:14.54 | screwed | man, gpart is so unimformative when it gets to the end |
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| 07:15.18 | screwed | I read that LD_PRELOAD is evil... and indeed it can be used for much evil. |
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| 07:18.36 | msingh | which is the package to install for NDISWRAPPER? i see ndiswrapper-common, source, and utils |
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| 07:19.49 | liable | apt-cache show |
| 07:19.54 | eap | anyone having knowledge of firmwares + Broadcom based bluetooth Dongles? |
| 07:21.59 | liable | eap: there fwcutter for the broadcom firmware |
| 07:22.04 | liable | theres* |
| 07:22.10 | eap | ah ok, thanks |
| 07:23.30 | eap | liable: but isnt fwcutter for the wireless cards? this is a 2035 Broadcom Bluetoth Dongle, anyway will have a look |
| 07:23.46 | liable | eap: dunno, see what you can find out about it. |
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| 07:34.56 | Stalwart | how to configure .xinitrc? |
| 07:35.22 | Stalwart | i wrote it just like in archlinux and gentoo, but xdm doesn't run it, it starts plain openbox ;[ |
| 07:36.58 | Gnea | Stalwart: startx uses .xinitrc, xdm uses .xsession - just make a symlink |
| 07:37.19 | Stalwart | ah |
| 07:37.28 | Stalwart | in archlinux xdm used .xinitrc =\ |
| 07:37.40 | Gnea | but this isn't archlinux |
| 07:38.06 | Stalwart | ye, it etch =| |
| 07:38.30 | Stalwart | i'm waiting for new kernel =\ |
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| 07:39.09 | Stalwart | when new kernels will hit unstable/ |
| 07:39.12 | Stalwart | ? |
| 07:40.19 | liable | prolly after etch releases. have a look in exp repo |
| 07:40.49 | Stalwart | woo, i forgot about experimental |
| 07:41.08 | vinsci | nothing there |
| 07:41.21 | Stalwart | gonna look inside... i need .19 to make my soundcard work and .20 to make it work right =] |
| 07:41.49 | Stalwart | there's fresh .14 alsa in .20 kernel |
| 07:41.55 | liable | compile on then if you need .20 |
| 07:42.17 | Stalwart | i don't like compiling =\ |
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| 07:46.51 | maxamillion | there is an application that would show up in the debian menu under gnome that would allow me to run both kde's panel from within gnome when both were installed, i don't run either these days but i have a friend who would enjoy this feature and I can't remember what its called |
| 07:49.59 | msingh | maxamillion, just running Kicker in gnome should do it, no? |
| 07:52.27 | yos87 | Hi |
| 07:52.43 | maxamillion | msingh: not sure to be honest, i don't use either so i can't test .... just figured i would asjk |
| 07:52.46 | maxamillion | ask* |
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| 07:54.13 | yos87 | I have problem, I install limewire, limewire can display the japanese name , but when I download japanese file, is doesn't saved in japanese , it's saved like (??????????) , is it from lime, or java, or from Gnome? |
| 07:55.27 | msingh | yos87, how are you seeing the saved file name? |
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| 07:55.55 | yos87 | msingh: i told you, something like t345????,????P?? |
| 07:56.02 | yos87 | but no japanese character |
| 07:56.24 | yos87 | msingh: I can see the other japanese files I had before, and I see japanese in the browser |
| 07:57.01 | yos87 | the problem only limewire cannot save the japanese names |
| 07:57.41 | msingh | yos87, ok, then it seems like a limewire issue |
| 07:58.24 | yos87 | msingh: I have the same limewire in windows xp. I does save japanese file name fine |
| 07:59.57 | yos87 | I think it's either the japanese support on Debian, or Java plugins |
| 08:00.44 | vinsci | Stalwart, see topic for #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org |
| 08:00.44 | msingh | yos87, if you can view your other files fine then it doesnt sound like a debian problem |
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| 08:01.52 | yos87 | msingh: I can change all limewire software language to japanese, I also see the search result in japanese, but he does't save the names |
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| 08:02.24 | yos87 | it might be jave problem? |
| 08:02.24 | joshk | anyone use twinview and play quake 3? |
| 08:02.32 | joshk | quake 3 is centering itself over the two screens.. instead of using one up entirely |
| 08:02.36 | joshk | very annoying |
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| 08:02.50 | msingh | could be, but i doubt it; java uses Unicode strings |
| 08:04.56 | yos87 | but why it's working in winxp |
| 08:05.24 | Stalwart | limewire is broken |
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| 08:05.35 | Stalwart | by design |
| 08:05.42 | yos87 | stalware: me? |
| 08:05.55 | Stalwart | i like mutella better |
| 08:06.15 | liable | grr, just burnt a dual layer dvd and mplayer is barfing on it :( |
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| 08:06.48 | vinsci | liable, use a real application, like vlc |
| 08:07.10 | msingh | happily i was able to install vlc after waiting for about 6 months :) |
| 08:07.28 | CHodapp | vinsci: mplayer is a real application, and it should handle DVDs without crashing though it may not handle menus right |
| 08:07.45 | CHodapp | vinsci: note that VLC doesn't handle menus properly either... |
| 08:08.14 | CHodapp | liable: yeah, I just learned to make DVDs with menus by way of a self-inflicted crash course. |
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| 08:09.22 | vinsci | for dvd menus, I've found ogle to be very good |
| 08:10.18 | CHodapp | Kaffeine and GXine have worked quite well for me |
| 08:10.22 | CHodapp | never tried Ogle |
| 08:10.40 | vinsci | it's an apt-get away :) |
| 08:10.49 | buu | Pssh. |
| 08:10.52 | buu | The shell is my dvd menu |
| 08:11.08 | CHodapp | My DVD player doesn't have a shell. |
| 08:11.13 | buu | Weirdo. |
| 08:11.16 | buu | Buy a new one |
| 08:11.24 | CHodapp | I couldn't find one with a shell. |
| 08:11.31 | buu | CHodapp: Install debian. I hear it has a shell. |
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| 08:11.52 | CHodapp | My DVD player was like "YO, I AM NOT READING THAT, MOFO" when I tried. |
| 08:11.56 | Kim^J | zsh <3 |
| 08:12.02 | liable | CHodapp: and how did you do that? i have just used dvdbackup and growisofs |
| 08:12.16 | buu | CHodapp: Saux. |
| 08:12.17 | CHodapp | liable: do what exactly? |
| 08:12.20 | buu | Kim^J: I'm just waiting to write my own =[ |
| 08:12.22 | CHodapp | buu: saux? |
| 08:12.29 | buu | CHodapp: YOU HEARD ME. |
| 08:12.30 | Kim^J | buu: Hehe. :) |
| 08:12.47 | buu | Kim^J: I'm not sure I really want a shell so much as sort of a shell environment, as it were. |
| 08:12.57 | liable | CHodapp: make em with menus and that worked |
| 08:13.01 | buu | CHodapp: You slip. It drops on your out stretched foot. Take two points of damage. |
| 08:13.05 | Kim^J | Shell rocks. :) |
| 08:13.23 | buu | Kim^J: I guess I'm thinking more of a window manager. As it were. |
| 08:13.31 | buu | The line gets blurry some times. |
| 08:13.33 | Kim^J | Hehe... :) |
| 08:14.16 | buu | Kim^J: Pssh. |
| 08:14.20 | buu | It's everywhere. |
| 08:14.43 | Kim^J | buu: On my PC. Trying to get to a song I haven't heard 10 times before. :) |
| 08:14.50 | biver | Hi, I've a disk performance problem with Debian 4.0. hdparm -T tells me my timing cache reads is ~920MB/s (scsi array), however, on the same kernel and cciss driver version under Gentoo hdparm shows 1800MB/s. Is there anything in Debian that can speed things up? |
| 08:15.22 | Kim^J | 920MB/s???? |
| 08:15.39 | biver | Kim^J: yes |
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| 08:15.43 | buu | Kim^J: Good luck. |
| 08:15.53 | Kim^J | Are you shure you don't mean 920Mb/s ? |
| 08:15.53 | buu | biver: Sounds like lies to me. |
| 08:16.01 | biver | buu: hm, why? |
| 08:16.10 | Kim^J | Cause 920MB/s would be like the world's fastest drive. |
| 08:16.11 | buu | biver: Because 200MB/s is damn fast. |
| 08:16.16 | biver | I'm talking about 'Timing Cache Reads' |
| 08:16.30 | liable | 100 is fast |
| 08:16.33 | biver | not 'Timing buffered disk reads' |
| 08:16.44 | Kim^J | 66MB/s is what a Raptor can do. |
| 08:17.05 | biver | Again, I'm talking about hdparm -T (timing cache reads) |
| 08:17.08 | Kim^J | biver: Is the system any slower? |
| 08:17.09 | Stalwart | fuck... gtkpod crashes on etch ;[ |
| 08:17.28 | biver | Kim^J: doesn't look like slower, just hdparm showing this slow speed |
| 08:17.59 | Kim^J | Don't hang up on numbers. Is it slower IRL? If not, then don't care. |
| 08:18.48 | Kim^J | Ahh.. This song is good. :D |
| 08:19.02 | biver | Kim^J: Well, I just can't do any benchmarks to check this one up. It will a production server soon, that's why I'm a little worried. |
| 08:19.18 | biver | Kim^J: That's why I'm running hdparm |
| 08:20.00 | CHodapp | liable: you still there? |
| 08:20.10 | liable | yep |
| 08:20.17 | CHodapp | sorry, my freaking box ran out of memory |
| 08:20.25 | CHodapp | some bloated-ass beta GUI app or something, probably |
| 08:20.41 | CHodapp | even though I have 1 GB of RAM and 1 GB of swap |
| 08:21.23 | El3M3NT | wtf |
| 08:21.53 | biver | Kim^J: isn't this like a memory bandwidth problem? |
| 08:22.31 | CHodapp | liable: I have some rudimentary notes and example files I can send, I don't know if you'll be able to work with them or not |
| 08:23.19 | liable | CHodapp: cant hurt, lemme see em |
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| 08:25.28 | alexcamilo | does anyone know why a shell script wont "return" correctly. its contents are: su kiosk -c startx & return 0 |
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| 08:26.08 | cartesian1984 | Whoa. I'm on IRC. Crazy. Thanks for your help, people of #debian. |
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| 08:27.19 | peterrooney | alexcamilo: does it have a "#!" line? |
| 08:27.35 | alexcamilo | oops |
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| 08:27.57 | liable | hehe |
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| 08:30.48 | alexcamilo | i have another question. when you start x it diosplys a bunch of crap on the screen. i tried redirecting it to null but it wont go away. |
| 08:31.03 | CHodapp | alexcamilo: redirect 2>/dev/null? |
| 08:31.12 | alexcamilo | startx >> /dev/null |
| 08:31.15 | kgoetz | alexcamilo: you mean the video buffer, or text? |
| 08:31.24 | CHodapp | use 2>/dev/null... you want stderr, not stdin |
| 08:31.29 | CHodapp | stdout* |
| 08:31.38 | alexcamilo | the text |
| 08:31.39 | vinsci | anyone here running 2.6.19 or newer with an encrypted root fs? I can't upgrade mine from 2.6.18, it seems. |
| 08:31.58 | CHodapp | alexcamilo: did what I say make sense? your way directs stdout to /dev/null, mine sends stderr |
| 08:32.53 | alexcamilo | not really. what does 2> do? |
| 08:33.27 | CHodapp | sends stderr to whatever file follows |
| 08:34.13 | alexcamilo | ahhhh cool! |
| 08:34.39 | CHodapp | mmm... how many times I have 2>wtf at the end of a program, and wtf files scattered everywhere |
| 08:34.52 | kgoetz | lol |
| 08:34.55 | alexcamilo | lol |
| 08:35.32 | CHodapp | it actually works quite well... if I was running a makefile or something and I saw a wtf file there, I'd know it failed to build and the errors were logged there |
| 08:37.41 | CHodapp | liable: want me to DCC a tarball of the files? |
| 08:38.06 | CHodapp | screw it, I'll put it on my FTP |
| 08:38.40 | CHodapp | ftp://mershell.no-ip.org/temp/dvdmenu-stuff.tar.bz2 |
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| 08:41.28 | blahdeblah | Hi all. My timezone will not stick. I've run tzconfig, tzselect, and tzsetup (not knowing which is preferred), and none of them seems to survive a reboot. |
| 08:41.44 | blahdeblah | What do i need to do to make sure it stays set? |
| 08:41.47 | liable | CHodapp: ta |
| 08:41.58 | CHodapp | liable: ta? |
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| 08:43.06 | blahdeblah | CHodapp: .au slang for "thanks". |
| 08:43.18 | CHodapp | ah... I have never heard that before. |
| 08:43.34 | karsten | blahdeblah: Godzone! |
| 08:43.48 | blahdeblah | Indeed! |
| 08:43.51 | karsten | blahdeblah: Dual-booting? |
| 08:43.59 | blahdeblah | And some nice rain we're getting, too! |
| 08:44.11 | blahdeblah | karsten: No - just Debian sarge on my mum's old banger. |
| 08:44.19 | karsten | blahdeblah: 'hwclock --show' |
| 08:44.19 | CHodapp | liable: I dunno if Australia uses NTSC or PAL, but you'll have to look out for framerate and resolution options in those notes if it's PAL |
| 08:44.31 | kgoetz | we use pal |
| 08:44.31 | blahdeblah | CHodapp: PAL |
| 08:44.35 | CHodapp | Ok |
| 08:44.37 | karsten | blahdeblah: Check to see if hwclock is set to UTC. That's what you want. |
| 08:44.38 | liable | CHodapp: ta==thanks we got PAL |
| 08:45.09 | CHodapp | liable: ok. |
| 08:45.11 | blahdeblah | karsten: I found the UTC=no option in /etc/default/rcS, but that doesn't seem to be my problem. |
| 08:45.36 | blahdeblah | if i run 'date', it says UTC in the time zone, even though /etc/timezone contains "Australia/Brisbane" |
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| 08:46.55 | rublind | I installed linux on an oldschool laptop with a wireless PCMCIA card |
| 08:47.07 | liable | CHodapp: its not anon ftp |
| 08:47.07 | rublind | and I don't know how to configure what connection to use |
| 08:47.10 | rublind | can someone help me? |
| 08:47.40 | CHodapp | liable: I just tested the link, but the occasional client has problems with it... hold on |
| 08:47.57 | liable | CHodapp: you can dcc it if its easier |
| 08:48.00 | blahdeblah | rublind: It varies depending on the wifi card chipset |
| 08:48.01 | vinsci | blahdeblah, you may want to reconfigure the locales package |
| 08:48.14 | CHodapp | ftp://mershell.no-ip.org/temp/dvdmenu-stuff.tar.bz2 . . . can someone else try that link and see if it works? |
| 08:48.25 | rublind | blahdeblah: well, I just need to know how to connect to a WAN. |
| 08:48.32 | blahdeblah | vinsci: curious - why would that make any difference? |
| 08:48.43 | vinsci | it controls the timezone |
| 08:49.00 | rublind | blahdeblah: the card works, and it scans, I just don't now how to make it connect or set it to use a specific ssid n' junk |
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| 08:49.34 | liable | CHodapp: got it |
| 08:49.37 | blahdeblah | vinsci: I thought /etc/timezone and tzconfig controlled the time zone |
| 08:50.03 | CHodapp | liable: coo |
| 08:50.05 | CHodapp | ...l |
| 08:50.16 | blahdeblah | rublind: Ah - OK. Not sure on that. My only Linux wifi experience is on Ubuntu and SUSE. :-) |
| 08:50.23 | liable | thanks |
| 08:50.38 | rublind | haha, okay, tnanks anyways, anyone in here know how to connect to majiggers? =] |
| 08:50.50 | iLLf8d | hey anyone have a palm pda phone or a blackberry? I was curious how well it and their oses play with linux and kde/gnome and other apps |
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| 08:51.11 | vinsci | blahdeblah, ehm. sorry, wrong package |
| 08:51.39 | rublind | I need wifi help on debian, anyone? ... please? |
| 08:51.51 | blahdeblah | vinsci: No problem |
| 08:51.57 | iLLf8d | rublind, which chipset? |
| 08:52.00 | CHodapp | iLLf8d: I have a Palm PDA, not a phone though |
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| 08:52.09 | iLLf8d | CHodapp, running palmos? |
| 08:52.12 | rublind | illf8d: pretend I'm stupid |
| 08:52.25 | dorel__ | after etch gave me hard time to install on an IBM xSeries346 I gave dapper a try and it worked... :( |
| 08:52.29 | CHodapp | iLLf8d: yes |
| 08:52.39 | dorel__ | scsi support isn't good enough on etch I guess |
| 08:52.41 | iLLf8d | CHodapp, does it play nice with anything? |
| 08:53.13 | iLLf8d | rublind, is it a laptop or server (you gotta give me more info I'm not gonna fish) |
| 08:53.28 | CHodapp | iLLf8d: jpilot works well with it; at one time kpilot worked but I always had problems because it couldn't access it as non-root, but wouldn't run right as root |
| 08:53.29 | rublind | iLLf8d: laptop, really old, PCMCIA wifi card |
| 08:53.37 | iLLf8d | make/model of card? |
| 08:53.52 | rublind | iLLf8d: it's a cisco card, don't know model |
| 08:54.01 | iLLf8d | ah probably a good choice |
| 08:54.20 | rublind | iLLf8d: it's plugged in, it works, 'cause I can use a program to scan networks, I just need to know how to join one (a network that is) |
| 08:54.29 | iLLf8d | CHodapp, I'll checkout jpilot thanks for the info |
| 08:54.33 | CHodapp | iLLf8d: sure |
| 08:54.47 | iLLf8d | rublind, ah in which windowmanager? |
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| 08:54.58 | rublind | iLLf8d: KDE |
| 08:55.07 | iLLf8d | go fish I dunno in kde |
| 08:55.19 | iLLf8d | I could tellya how to do it in debian or in most wms other then kde |
| 08:55.22 | rublind | iLLf8d: goddamn it. Is there a command line thing I could do? |
| 08:55.37 | iLLf8d | yeah try using iwconfig and iwlist for the infos |
| 08:55.37 | CHodapp | lspci |
| 08:55.58 | iLLf8d | iwconfig eth/wlan# essid blah channel # |
| 08:56.13 | rublind | what about wep key? |
| 08:56.24 | iLLf8d | man wireless-tools or man wireless |
| 08:56.29 | rublind | ok |
| 08:56.31 | iLLf8d | one of those tellsya the syntax |
| 08:56.43 | liable | iwconfig :) |
| 08:56.46 | iLLf8d | its probably wireless-key |
| 08:56.51 | rublind | thanks =] |
| 08:57.23 | iLLf8d | man iwconfig too |
| 08:57.31 | rublind | that's what I'm doing =o |
| 08:57.45 | iLLf8d | I just lookem up when I needem |
| 08:57.57 | vinsci | iLLf8d, you may want to install kwifimanager, wifi-radar |
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| 08:58.06 | squid0 | hi all |
| 08:58.26 | iLLf8d | vinsci, ah its not me |
| 08:58.27 | iLLf8d | heh |
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| 08:58.39 | vinsci | sorry, I'm blind :) |
| 08:58.39 | iLLf8d | vinsci, tho thanks for the info if I ever run kde I'll be sure to install those |
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| 09:00.18 | squid0 | i've got 2 ubuntu machines (i'm asking here cause this relates to apt which is a debian invention TMK), and i need to upgrade both of them to the latest ubuntu release. however, i'll end up downloading many of the same files twice. is there some way that i can download only on the 1 box, and then somehow share them with the 2nd one, without foregoing the updating feature of using apt? |
| 09:00.21 | vinsci | iLLf8d, it might be soon ;) apparently gnome has problems attracting developers anymore... |
| 09:00.35 | iLLf8d | oh yeah? |
| 09:00.37 | iLLf8d | too bad |
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| 09:00.37 | cydork | squid0: ask #ubuntu |
| 09:00.43 | iLLf8d | I don't like kde much |
| 09:00.44 | xingu | oh my frickin lord, that slacker has finally checked in nvida 9742 packages |
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| 09:01.02 | joshk | oh hey |
| 09:01.04 | joshk | nice catch |
| 09:01.05 | iLLf8d | although I like gnome more I don't like it much either so heh |
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| 09:01.26 | kasha | Hi, a have a trouble with Bind9 + dhcp3 and DDNS. Dinamic addresses appear. When i create static host entry IP-MAC, there is no hostname in dhcp logs and no entry in DNS(bind9) |
| 09:01.30 | joshk | xingu: wait.. where did you find them? they're not in incoming or my mirror |
| 09:01.44 | liable | grrr, two DL disks that mplayer wont play |
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| 09:02.15 | cydork | liable: DL? |
| 09:02.19 | xingu | JoshH: in the pool dir |
| 09:02.27 | xingu | s/joshh/joshk/ |
| 09:03.15 | liable | cydork: double layer |
| 09:03.41 | cydork | liable: oh ok. |
| 09:04.17 | xingu | joshk: 9746, but anyway. |
| 09:04.18 | vinsci | iLLf8d, on the developer shortage for Gtk (which Gnome of course is based on): see http://blogs.gnome.org/view/timj/2006/12/20/0 |
| 09:04.28 | enouf | dorel__: this ? http://www-03.ibm.com/servers/eserver/xseries/x346.html |
| 09:04.44 | liable | oh, weird, it plays when i start it from a shell, but not from the menu |
| 09:04.57 | enouf | dorel__: see this please http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware perhaps chip in :-) |
| 09:05.05 | iLLf8d | vinsci, its probably cause linus was a shithead making that kde comment |
| 09:05.08 | joshk | xingu: anything interesting between 9631 and 9746? |
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| 09:05.45 | vinsci | or perhaps it's because kde is based on an exceptionally well-designed OO toolkit ;) |
| 09:05.55 | cydork | liable: both are same? :P |
| 09:06.12 | liable | cydork: what you mean? |
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| 09:06.24 | iLLf8d | vinsci, could be also but linus saying shit probably did alot more damage then that |
| 09:06.39 | iLLf8d | vinsci, most people are sheep |
| 09:07.04 | cydork | liable: i mean the one you ran from the menu and the command line are the same mplayer? :P |
| 09:07.10 | vinsci | most people have never heard of linus' kde opinions |
| 09:07.12 | xingu | joshk: read the nvidia changelogs is best. |
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| 09:07.33 | liable | cydork: oh, well, actually, the menu one is gmplayer and cli one is mplayer. |
| 09:07.46 | liable | lemme see if gmplayer run from shell works |
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| 09:08.23 | vinsci | ouch -- http://mfedyk.livejournal.com/2187.html "There also seems to have been something happening with Novell and Red Hat pulling resources for the GTK project. I haven't looked into it, but let's see if what I'm going to say addresses it at all (I will check into it later)." |
| 09:08.25 | NightFire91 | Free Hosting Doesn't come any better than this >> http://www.solarcombat.net/hosting.php |
| 09:08.47 | iLLf8d | vinsci, yeah most people haven't but the potential linux savvy developer community I'm sure has |
| 09:08.52 | enouf | liable: are you unl0cker? .. anyways try gmplayer dvdnav://1 -dvd-device /dev/dvd |
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| 09:09.19 | iLLf8d | vinsci, and thats what I was refering to not your mom and my mom who probably aren't gonna code in gtk |
| 09:09.24 | liable | well, gmplayer works from cli too, but fullscreen is fux0red |
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| 09:09.58 | iLLf8d | vinsci, yeah I'm reading up on it now looks like an interesting article |
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| 09:11.01 | vinsci | iLLf8d, I tried to code gtk stuff once... it was a complete pain. (I have ~20 years experience in coding GUI apps). Qt/KDE is very nice to code for, on the other hand, and I like to enjoy coding, so Qt/KDE it is. |
| 09:11.04 | liable | hrm, fullscreen works from mplayer ok |
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| 09:11.24 | iLLf8d | vinsci, yeah the qt stuff looks alot simpler |
| 09:11.52 | liable | oh well, at least the fucker works |
| 09:12.09 | liable | enouf: unl0cker?? |
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| 09:12.15 | enouf | liable: nm .. |
| 09:12.31 | liable | enouf: no, i want to know now :P |
| 09:12.32 | Zap-W | say, since i dont have devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,gid=5,mode=620 0 0 , on my /etc/fstab how is it still mounted on boot? |
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| 09:12.51 | enouf | liable: someone on another channel asking a simialr question |
| 09:13.09 | liable | no |
| 09:13.26 | enouf | liable: I assumed so .. once you looked perplexed :-P |
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| 09:13.52 | liable | i only have one nick.. |
| 09:14.09 | enouf | Zap-W: ~$ grep -ir dev/pts /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:14.58 | enouf | liable: attaboy :-) |
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| 09:15.07 | enouf | same here |
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| 09:15.46 | enouf | If you can't atleast be consistent in uyour pseudo-characters .. how or why should anyone trust us :-P |
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| 09:16.43 | concept10 | I installed a windows app using wine, how do I launch it? is there anyway to ls Wine's directories? |
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| 09:18.16 | vinsci | concept10, it should show up in the menus |
| 09:19.05 | vinsci | concept10, note that you're risking the integrity of your system - wine is good enough to run malware as well |
| 09:19.47 | concept10 | vinsci, probably not with this app, this is a professional app |
| 09:21.18 | liable | how big is an ordinary dvd? |
| 09:21.28 | vinsci | 4.7GB |
| 09:21.33 | liable | damn |
| 09:22.04 | liable | i got a 4.8G movie |
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| 09:22.38 | enouf | overburn baby yeah |
| 09:22.43 | concept10 | liable, just mount it and watch |
| 09:23.27 | vinsci | 4.8GB looks like a thought |
| 09:23.33 | CHodapp | liable: any luck with menus? or not tried yet... |
| 09:24.04 | enouf | it's actually ~4.37GiB .. or Jigga-watts .. depending :-p |
| 09:24.25 | Stalwart | jiggawatts were 1.21 |
| 09:24.59 | liable | CHodapp: not yet, i read your notes.txt, havent played with it yet. the movies i backed up appear to have the menus in tact, though they dont work on my box, dunno if they will in a dvd player. |
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| 09:25.00 | enouf | right .. but according to Moore's law .. we're at x4 that now :-) ..especially with HT |
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| 09:25.33 | Misnix | edit out the gratuitous violent scenes and it'll fit on a cd |
| 09:25.39 | Stalwart | if you mean hyper-threading - it sucks, real multicores perform much better |
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| 09:25.58 | CHodapp | liable: how are you testing? |
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| 09:26.50 | CHodapp | I've got it installed on 4 boxes, I want 4X the money |
| 09:26.52 | liable | CHodapp: laptop, its all i got at the moment |
| 09:26.58 | CHodapp | liable: I mean, what program |
| 09:27.10 | liable | CHodapp: mplayer |
| 09:27.28 | CHodapp | mplayer doesn't seem to handle menus |
| 09:27.33 | Stalwart | mplayer doesn't support menus yet |
| 09:27.35 | liable | it doesnt do menus |
| 09:27.48 | CHodapp | try gxine |
| 09:27.54 | Stalwart | try vlc |
| 09:27.58 | CHodapp | VLC does menus? |
| 09:28.02 | Stalwart | yes |
| 09:28.04 | cydork | CHodapp: yep |
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| 09:28.06 | CHodapp | it never did for me, hmm |
| 09:28.11 | liable | i dont have it installed, and i'm on dial up right now, so it'll have to wait |
| 09:28.23 | Stalwart | dunno about older, but recent versions support |
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| 09:29.48 | liable | laters, cheap T-Bones at the pub! |
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| 09:31.30 | Sypher | hey guys, is it possible to have a firewall with debian that filters out incoming emails while not having the actual mail server on that machine ? |
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| 09:35.11 | blujay | Sypher: I know nothing about this, but...probably an easier way would be to set up a mail server that filters the mail and then forwards the mail to the next server...that is, if there's a really good reason the filtering can't be done on the "actual" mail server |
| 09:35.32 | Sypher | blujay, it simply crashes ... |
| 09:35.41 | blujay | Sypher: huh? |
| 09:35.49 | Sypher | the actual mail server ... |
| 09:36.00 | blujay | Sypher: well then, shouldn't you solve the crashes? |
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| 09:36.03 | Sypher | if i enable spamassassin and amavis, it gets slow and slow |
| 09:36.15 | Sypher | server load goes up to the stars |
| 09:36.26 | blujay | Sypher: how much mail are you processing? |
| 09:36.32 | Sypher | hum ... |
| 09:36.35 | buu | Anyone happen to know how to make ff2.0 revert to the "I feel lucky" google search when you type keywords in to the location bar? |
| 09:36.43 | Sypher | blujay, like 15k |
| 09:36.46 | blujay | buu: about:config |
| 09:36.48 | blujay | Sypher: per day? |
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| 09:37.04 | buu | blujay: Oh, yeah, THAT NARROWS IT DOWN. |
| 09:37.13 | Sypher | blujay, yea .... |
| 09:37.22 | blujay | buu: actually, you can use the filter bar in about:config to NARROW IT DOWN :p |
| 09:37.30 | blujay | Sypher: how much of it is spam? |
| 09:37.55 | Sypher | blujay, oh, sorry, i was just counting the actual mail eheh ... |
| 09:38.02 | Sypher | with spam i think i go up to 50k or something |
| 09:38.12 | buu | blujay: And uh, which of those do you think applies? |
| 09:38.15 | blujay | Sypher: hm, that is a lot, I guess...what kind of hardware on the server? |
| 09:38.22 | xingu | buu: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/tips#beh_search |
| 09:38.32 | Sypher | blujay, dont remember actually ... |
| 09:38.39 | blujay | buu: no offense, but could you lose the attitude? :) try typing "google" into the filter bar and then find the URL and change it to the URL for the lucky search |
| 09:38.41 | xingu | not just a FAQ, but a readily googleable one. |
| 09:39.00 | Sypher | blujay, but it can handle itself without the filtering .... when i start the filtering up it goes down. |
| 09:39.17 | blujay | Sypher: well, I'm not sure it'd be a good idea to put such a heavy load on your firewall, then that could mess up your whole network |
| 09:39.25 | buu | xingu: Ahah! |
| 09:39.27 | Sypher | my problem is that the server in question is used to send notices and newsletters to a lot of people (well, im pretty sure they dont read those but i have to send those mails anyway). |
| 09:39.34 | buu | xingu: That seems to have done the trick. |
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| 09:39.52 | Sypher | blujay, I want to filter corporate mails only, that goes down to 1k mail per day at max .... |
| 09:39.56 | blujay | Sypher: did you try configuring spamassassin and amavis to use less resources, or try nicing the processes? |
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| 09:40.21 | blujay | Sypher: well that should be simple enough, just don't run spamassassin or amavis unless the mail contains something in the headers to indicate it's corporate |
| 09:40.43 | Sypher | blujay, ye but the fact is that i've read a lot on google but could not find how to |
| 09:40.59 | Sypher | blujay, enable filtering based on domain. |
| 09:41.06 | concept10 | I have two damaged swap partitions.. Will I further damage my system by deleting them? |
| 09:41.08 | blujay | Sypher: what's your mail server software? |
| 09:41.19 | blujay | concept10: how do you damage a swap partition? |
| 09:41.25 | moshii | concept10: ?? |
| 09:41.49 | Sypher | blujay, exim |
| 09:41.49 | moshii | concept10: if the disk is damaged swapoff to avoid problems |
| 09:41.57 | xingu | concept10: you might trigger some oom killing |
| 09:42.17 | xingu | concept10: probably a good idea to create a swapfile of equivalent size and enable it somewhere first. |
| 09:42.27 | concept10 | Im not sure how it was damaged |
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| 09:42.41 | concept10 | I just know I had two swap partitions |
| 09:42.43 | blujay | Sypher: what I think you want to do is not even invoke SA unless the mail is corporate. you should filter the corporate mail outside of SA (maybe with procmail or something), and then pass it to SA only if you need to. just launching SA uses a lot of CPU with all the Perl it has to process |
| 09:42.51 | concept10 | and they stopped mounting on boot |
| 09:42.55 | blujay | concept10: damaged meaning hardware problems on the disk? |
| 09:43.08 | moshii | concept10: swap doesn't have an fs and can't be mounted |
| 09:43.14 | concept10 | blujay, not sure of real problems |
| 09:43.20 | blujay | concept10: what error do you see? |
| 09:43.50 | Sypher | blujay, yes thats what i would like to do, the problem is that i cant find a way to do that. any hint? |
| 09:43.56 | concept10 | blujay, using gparted, It has a error icon, right clicked and selected info and that was the warning |
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| 09:44.19 | concept10 | I just reformatted the swap using gparted and did a swapon and it remounted |
| 09:44.22 | blujay | Sypher: well, this is not exactly my area of expertise, but I'd look into procmail for starters. more likely, there's probably a fairly simple way to do it directly with exim |
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| 09:44.45 | blujay | concept10: the warning is "damaged partition"? |
| 09:45.16 | Sypher | blujay, i got confused. i have postfix. :) |
| 09:45.25 | concept10 | blujay, the warning is damaged unknown file system which was previously a swap partition |
| 09:45.27 | blujay | Sypher: of course, another good place to start is "apt-cache search mail | grep filter" :) |
| 09:45.41 | blujay | concept10: maybe you should run mkswap on it |
| 09:45.52 | blujay | Sypher: I really know nothing about either exim or postfix |
| 09:46.05 | Sypher | ehehe ok thanks anyway ;) |
| 09:46.10 | blujay | :) |
| 09:47.20 | concept10 | blujay, it said: unable to detect filesystem. Possible reasons are: fs damaged, fs unknown to gparted, there is no fs available (unformatted) |
| 09:47.43 | blujay | concept10: try $ sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdwhatever |
| 09:48.10 | concept10 | blujay, but since I had two of them, I just formatted one as a linux swap and then did a swapon and my swap was back alive |
| 09:48.33 | blahdeblah_away | Hi folks. The 'date' command on my system shows the time zone as UTC, even though /etc/timezone contains "Australia/Brisbane". |
| 09:48.34 | blahdeblah_away | The clock is 10 hours slow (my offset from UTC). |
| 09:48.35 | blujay | concept10: well...what's your question again? |
| 09:48.36 | blahdeblah_away | What can i do to make it pick the right timezone? |
| 09:48.46 | moshii | blahdeblah: tzconfig |
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| 09:49.25 | blahdeblah | moshii: Done that - it did not have the desired effect |
| 09:49.29 | concept10 | blujay, orig question was will I further damage my system dby deleting damaged swaps |
| 09:49.48 | blujay | concept10: by deleting swaps, do you mean reformatting the partition? |
| 09:49.56 | moshii | blahdeblah: is the TZ getting changed somewhere for your user? |
| 09:50.01 | concept10 | just the swap partitions |
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| 09:50.25 | blujay | concept10: if the system isn't using the swap partition, you can do anything you want with it...if it's unused |
| 09:50.31 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blujay sucks |
| 09:50.46 | blujay | um...only when I run a vacuum cleaner... |
| 09:50.58 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 09:51.04 | blujay | who are you? |
| 09:51.16 | blujay | you're not blazemonger, are you? =) |
| 09:51.24 | concept10 | someone about to get banned |
| 09:51.31 | solarcombat | Free Hosting Doesn't come any better than this >> http://www.solarcombat.net/hosting.php |
| 09:51.43 | concept10 | make that two |
| 09:51.48 | moshii | mm |
| 09:51.50 | blujay | strange that someone would come out of the woodwork to attack someone who's helping people...who is that guy anyway? |
| 09:52.21 | moshii | solarcombat: free hosting with broken images haha |
| 09:52.30 | concept10 | blujay, he just came in |
| 09:52.37 | concept10 | !ops |
| 09:52.38 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 09:52.38 | blujay | concept10: hm, so he did |
| 09:52.55 | blujay | solarcombat: www.nipl.net yes, it does come better |
| 09:53.11 | solarcombat | however... is that free? |
| 09:53.14 | moshii | or freeshell.org :) |
| 09:53.18 | blujay | solarcombat: indeed it is FREE |
| 09:53.23 | blujay | solarcombat: now please stop spamming |
| 09:53.27 | concept10 | !ops $its about to go down in here |
| 09:53.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: concept10 complains about: $its about to go down in here |
| 09:53.55 | blujay | solarcombat: do you really think Debian users need free hosting from you? |
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| 09:54.24 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blujay sucks |
| 09:54.42 | blujay | who are you and what do you have against me, O Random Person on The Internet? |
| 09:54.47 | moshii | blahdeblah: mmm this netbsd machine I'm on has TZ set in the shell, bt my debian one with the same sort of config (different local user TZ) hasn't :/ |
| 09:55.05 | moshii | blahdeblah: probably a bot, or an ex hahaha |
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| 09:55.31 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | moshii is gay |
| 09:55.49 | blujay | ah, yes, maybe it's a bot |
| 09:55.51 | moshii | So what if I was |
| 09:56.10 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | no, I am not a bot |
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| 09:56.21 | blujay | hehe, now it says it's not a bot |
| 09:56.21 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 09:56.25 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | yes |
| 09:56.35 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blujay sucks |
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| 09:56.40 | blujay | hey, I'm not a bot either...look at me, I'm a real person! :) |
| 09:56.49 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | you suck |
| 09:56.51 | concept10 | !ops Wikipedia-Gast00 is a spambot |
| 09:56.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: concept10 complains about: Wikipedia-Gast00 is a spambot |
| 09:56.52 | blujay | but if I only had a brain... |
| 09:57.28 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | you have one |
| 09:57.35 | blujay | thanks, xingu |
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| 09:57.44 | blujay | I guess I should have specified what species of brain though... |
| 09:57.51 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | xingu is a sheep |
| 09:57.55 | moshii | blujay: you mean bah baaa bha |
| 09:58.00 | blujay | hehehe |
| 09:58.05 | blujay | er...hahaha |
| 09:58.25 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: why are you not a bot? |
| 09:58.38 | blahdeblah | Ugh - Firefox + Chatzilla in 192 MB is a recipe for lag. |
| 09:58.49 | blujay | blahdeblah: konversation |
| 09:58.53 | xingu | m-x psychoanalyze-pinhead |
| 09:59.08 | moshii | blahdeblah: or good ole irssi |
| 09:59.13 | blahdeblah | blujay: You are *so* helpful! :-p |
| 09:59.26 | blujay | blahdeblah: :) hey I like Firefox but I'd never use it as an IRC client... :p |
| 10:00.10 | moshii | firefox is slow in comparison |
| 10:00.15 | blujay | moshii: I usually have both running...I miss my extensions but Konq is faster |
| 10:00.37 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blujay: because im human |
| 10:00.42 | blujay | moshii: what I miss most is the extension that lets me allow cookies for a site with two clicks...Konq is a pain in that way |
| 10:00.44 | moshii | blujay: I like a browser that basically just does browsing |
| 10:00.46 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blujay sucks |
| 10:00.54 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: nuh-uh, you're a bot |
| 10:01.04 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:01.09 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: why not? |
| 10:01.14 | moshii | blujay: I just use session cookies for all, works a treat |
| 10:01.19 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | because you suck |
| 10:01.28 | blujay | moshii: yeah...though I like using normal cookies on sites like slashdot |
| 10:01.31 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: prove it |
| 10:01.38 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | how |
| 10:01.43 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: you tell me |
| 10:01.54 | moshii | Wikipedia-Gast00: video on youtube! |
| 10:01.57 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | what should i tell you |
| 10:02.14 | blujay | hmm...I wonder... |
| 10:02.17 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: you are human |
| 10:02.22 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | thanks |
| 10:02.28 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: that was not a compliment |
| 10:02.30 | cydork | what's it's sunday already? |
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| 10:02.48 | blujay | Wikipedia-Gast00: I like bots better |
| 10:03.06 | concept10 | Why are you guys addressing that ... |
| 10:03.08 | cydork | blujay: moshii : stop feeding the troll. Use /ignore if you have to ;) |
| 10:03.17 | blahdeblah | moshii: my TZ isn't normally set - it usually gets it from the system config |
| 10:03.18 | blujay | eh it's late and I'm bored, I'm having a little fun, humor me |
| 10:03.34 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | cydork sucks |
| 10:03.52 | blujay | cydork: the real trolls are those who you spend 30 minutes helping but never actually follow your advice, they just keep asking more questions...those are the ones I put on ignore :) |
| 10:04.04 | moshii | blahdeblah: have you logged out since you changed the system timezone? |
| 10:04.24 | cydork | blujay: those should be kickbanned.. :) |
| 10:04.30 | blahdeblah | moshii: Yep - rebooted entirely |
| 10:04.31 | concept10 | <cydork> blujay: moshii : stop feeding the troll. Use /ignore if you have to ;) |
| 10:04.32 | blujay | cydork: yeah, well, it was in #ubuntu :) |
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| 10:05.04 | concept10 | i was trying to see how it responds |
| 10:05.28 | cydork | blujay: :) |
| 10:05.46 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | cydork sucks |
| 10:06.39 | moshii | blahdeblah: I'm trying to think why it isn't pulling it in from /etc/timezone.. sure the timezone in there is correct? |
| 10:06.55 | concept10 | i love wikis |
| 10:06.57 | blahdeblah | moshii: Yep - checked that |
| 10:07.00 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | moshii sucks |
| 10:07.12 | blahdeblah | Just trying timezoneconf to see if that helps |
| 10:07.36 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blahdeblah sucks |
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| 10:08.11 | moshii | blahdeblah: TZ="Europe/Gibraltar" date .. does date show CET? |
| 10:09.00 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
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| 10:09.10 | blahdeblah | Strange - it shows as the correct zone, but it hasn't picked up the right time |
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| 10:09.27 | blahdeblah | timezoneconf is definitely not what i want - seems to be for graphical apps |
| 10:09.39 | moshii | blahdeblah: tzconfig |
| 10:09.47 | blahdeblah | Done that already |
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| 10:10.29 | blahdeblah | It still thinks it's 10 hours earlier |
| 10:10.37 | moshii | blahdeblah: was just wondering if you were using the right app :) |
| 10:10.41 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blahdeblah sucks |
| 10:10.46 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | moshii is gay |
| 10:10.48 | moshii | blahdeblah: is the hardware clock right? |
| 10:10.50 | iLLf8d | hrm |
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| 10:10.58 | blahdeblah | I was desperately searching apt-cache for something that might help |
| 10:10.59 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | iLLf8d sucks |
| 10:11.05 | smacs | ?list |
| 10:11.05 | blahdeblah | The hw clock is definitely right. |
| 10:11.14 | blahdeblah | I checked it in CMOS setup when i rebooted. |
| 10:11.46 | iLLf8d | nice |
| 10:12.10 | blahdeblah | lock me up - i'm certifiable with this stupid TZ problem! ;-( |
| 10:12.27 | moshii | blahdeblah: maybe your hardware clock isn't using UTC or debian thinks it's in GMT etc |
| 10:12.54 | iLLf8d | blahdeblah, maybe theres a blackhole over your apartment |
| 10:13.13 | blahdeblah | moshii: The only config i found relating to that was UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS |
| 10:13.19 | iLLf8d | maybe the blackhole is in Wikipedia-Gast00's head |
| 10:13.22 | blahdeblah | iLLf8d: Good thing i'm in a house... ;-) |
| 10:13.44 | moshii | blahdeblah: are you running windows on the box as well? |
| 10:13.51 | blahdeblah | No |
| 10:14.05 | xingu | blahdeblah: does "hwclock --show" share your opinion of what it ought to be? |
| 10:14.07 | blahdeblah | Just sarge on my Mum's old Cel 667 w/- 192 MB |
| 10:14.21 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | blahdeblah sucks |
| 10:14.34 | moshii | blahdeblah: try setting that to yes, rebooting and running ntpdate to make sure the clock is 100% and run UTC |
| 10:14.35 | blahdeblah | xingu: Now we're getting somewhere. |
| 10:14.41 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:14.44 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:14.52 | blahdeblah | Yes - hwclock says what i think it should be |
| 10:15.11 | blahdeblah | moshii: I run ntpdate on every bootup |
| 10:15.13 | xingu | blahdeblah: and is it utc or localtime? |
| 10:15.14 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:15.19 | blahdeblah | local |
| 10:15.42 | xingu | blahdeblah: ok, what about "date"; what timezone does it show? |
| 10:15.48 | blahdeblah | UTC |
| 10:16.02 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:16.04 | xingu | blahdeblah: and does the timestamp have the correct offset vis-a-vis "hwclock --show" ? |
| 10:16.14 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:16.17 | blahdeblah | no - it actually shows UTC |
| 10:16.24 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:16.29 | blahdeblah | i.e. it's 10:16 AM on Dec 27 now |
| 10:16.33 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:16.37 | concept10 | it really doesnt |
| 10:16.40 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:16.43 | concept10 | heh |
| 10:16.46 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:16.48 | cydork | !ops Wikipedia-Gast00 is spamming |
| 10:16.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: Wikipedia-Gast00 is spamming |
| 10:16.53 | xingu | blahdeblah: right, but is the difference between hwclock --show and date, numerically, make sense? |
| 10:16.53 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:17.05 | blahdeblah | xingu: I guess so |
| 10:17.17 | blahdeblah | My hwclock is in local time, and i'd rather keep it that way |
| 10:17.23 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
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| 10:17.26 | xingu | blahdeblah: don't guess, it's a necessary question |
| 10:17.28 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:17.46 | moshii | blahdeblah: the timezone difference is applied by the os |
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| 10:17.51 | blahdeblah | xingu: It is out by a sensible amount. It just doesn't make sense. |
| 10:17.59 | blahdeblah | moshii: I know that - kernel works in UTC |
| 10:18.18 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | kernel sucks |
| 10:18.41 | xingu | blahdeblah: I'm not asking these questions for my benefit; does the time offset, numerically, between the hwclock and date's output, agree with what it should be? |
| 10:18.47 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:18.57 | blahdeblah | xingu: Yes, but in the opposite direction. |
| 10:19.13 | concept10 | you want to compile a kernel the debian way? |
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| 10:19.30 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:19.38 | blahdeblah | xingu: Scratch that last comment - i'm just confusing you more. |
| 10:19.42 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:19.53 | moshii | blahdeblah: what timezone are you in? |
| 10:19.56 | blahdeblah | xingu: date is correct if my TZ is UTC, and hwclock is correct. |
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| 10:20.08 | buu | !ops Wikipedia-Gast00 =[ |
| 10:20.08 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:20.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: buu complains about: Wikipedia-Gast00 =[ |
| 10:20.09 | blahdeblah | moshii: Australia/Brisbane (UTC+10:00) |
| 10:20.13 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:20.27 | concept10 | Wikipedia-Gast00, are you a bot |
| 10:20.35 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | yes |
| 10:20.41 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | concept10 sucks |
| 10:20.49 | blahdeblah | buu, concept10: /ignore works for the rest of us... |
| 10:20.50 | buu | concept10: He's just a poor confused little boy. |
| 10:20.53 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:21.04 | buu | blahdeblah: Seems a little silly to make everyone have to ignore someone.. |
| 10:21.05 | DimmuR | Wikipedia-Gast00: you're boring i'll just add him do ignore list |
| 10:21.08 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:21.13 | xingu | blahdeblah: if "date" shows a UTC timezone, that is what your timezone is at present; it's localised. |
| 10:21.15 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
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| 10:21.51 | blahdeblah | xingu: I have no idea how - there's nothing about TZ in my environment. |
| 10:21.55 | xingu | blahdeblah: so with hwclock showing ~1021Z and date showing 1021Z with utc timezone, there is no problem; other than the cosmetic problem of your timezone being incorrect |
| 10:22.06 | xingu | blahdeblah: that, is the problem; what does cat /etc/timezone say? |
| 10:22.42 | blahdeblah | it says Australia/Brisbane |
| 10:22.50 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:22.53 | Wikipedia-Gast00 | why |
| 10:22.56 | blahdeblah | and 'env|grep -ie time -e zone -e utc -e aust' gives nothing |
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| 10:23.25 | blahdeblah | But my hwclock is in local time, not UTC, and shows as such. |
| 10:23.39 | xingu | blahdeblah: does usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Brisbane exist? |
| 10:24.34 | blahdeblah | Yes, but curiously it contains something that looks like a badly-defined /etc/resolv.conf... ?!?!? |
| 10:24.47 | xingu | and now we get to the actual problem |
| 10:25.04 | blahdeblah | Indeed - well spotted. |
| 10:25.10 | xingu | blahdeblah: in sid, that file comes from "tzdata"; in some prior releases, it was part of libc6 |
| 10:25.21 | xingu | blahdeblah: dpkg -S will tell you unless your package db is also hosed. |
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| 10:25.34 | blahdeblah | Yep - i'm on sarge and it's in libc6 |
| 10:26.30 | xingu | blahdeblah: so now you have two problems; first - why is there arbitrary data corruption in /usr/share; second - libc6 needs reinstalling. |
| 10:26.39 | blahdeblah | Curiously, all of the files in that directory look correct except for two which i've tried to use as my TZ. Maybe tzconfig or one of its kin has corrupted them? |
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| 10:26.57 | xingu | blahdeblah: possible, would not say probable |
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| 10:27.08 | blahdeblah | That's what i would have said |
| 10:27.12 | xingu | blahdeblah: tzconfig is pretty simple and hard to break; there might be wrappers around it... |
| 10:27.15 | blahdeblah | I have never seen anything like this. |
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| 10:27.37 | blahdeblah | Is there a dpkg or apt-get command to reinstall a package? |
| 10:27.46 | xingu | apt-get install --reinstall from memory |
| 10:28.19 | kastberg | or aptitude reinstall =p |
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| 10:29.03 | blahdeblah | date looks sweet now |
| 10:29.28 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 10:30.38 | blahdeblah | Time for a reboot to make sure all is well before i call it a night on fixing mum's computer. |
| 10:30.42 | blahdeblah | Thanks guys |
| 10:31.05 | ThomasPorter | Hi, I'm having a problem with my web server. When I goto a website on my server it doesn't goto the right directory that the website is located in. It goes to the first website in the virtualhosts list. |
| 10:32.08 | liable | ThomasPorter: you have one set as main, and others in virtual? |
| 10:32.26 | ThomasPorter | liable: No I have not. |
| 10:33.32 | ThomasPorter | liable: Then again: <VirtualHost _default_:*> |
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| 10:36.16 | ThomasPorter | liable: Does this need to be removed? |
| 10:37.07 | liable | i never knew there was a default option.. |
| 10:37.13 | liable | try #apache |
| 10:37.24 | ThomasPorter | liable: Thanks anyway. |
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| 10:38.21 | yang | There is no package called "Xlock" for locking idle X ? |
| 10:38.22 | reklez | will there be any problems configuring x.org? |
| 10:38.39 | reklez | or running xorg? |
| 10:38.39 | dromer | damnit, I have no ideawhat happend when installing, but I can't login to myphpadmin not with root-pw anyway |
| 10:38.53 | dromer | phpmyadmin* |
| 10:39.34 | sep | dromer, you muse use the mysql oot password not the unix user root pw |
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| 10:41.21 | dromer | sep: but I have no idea what pw that is |
| 10:42.28 | sep | dromer, it's what you configured after reading /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/* |
| 10:43.39 | dromer | sep: I haven't |
| 10:44.06 | dromer | I never configed a pw for it |
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| 10:48.58 | dromer | sep: found it :] |
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| 11:09.24 | Empiric | hi all |
| 11:09.31 | Empiric | i have new test version of debian |
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| 11:11.54 | jfletcher | Empiric: very nice. Do you have a problem? |
| 11:12.09 | Empiric | ya what sources do i use |
| 11:12.25 | Empiric | i have put old debain stable sarge sources |
| 11:12.28 | jfletcher | your default ones are good, put multimedia in there too. |
| 11:12.30 | Empiric | its giving me errors |
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| 11:12.33 | jfletcher | no, you need etch sources. |
| 11:12.58 | jfletcher | and you'll also need the GPG keys for etch and for multimedia (should you choose to use them) |
| 11:13.13 | jfletcher | search google for forum posts on sources. |
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| 11:13.30 | jfletcher | "best sources.list debian etch" |
| 11:13.31 | jfletcher | or somthing |
| 11:13.44 | jfletcher | then msg dpkg about 2006 key, afterwards. |
| 11:13.45 | jfletcher | =] |
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| 11:14.17 | yos87 | Hi |
| 11:14.39 | ThePub | good morning |
| 11:14.58 | Empiric | can u send me some samples sources |
| 11:15.32 | ThePub | anyone familar with multihead setup under xorg? |
| 11:15.46 | yos87 | I have problem, the lime wire show the japanese names , but when downloading japanese file , it doesn't save it in japanese, it save it as ????????????. and I can see other japanese files saved in my pc. and I can see japanese in my webbrowser |
| 11:16.18 | yos87 | but in accesories, character map , there is no japanese character |
| 11:16.20 | ThePub | after reading the howto and information on x.org I'm unable to still get it to work. I have an ATI with dual output on an agp bus, but actually want the multi-head setup. :) |
| 11:16.43 | blujay | ThePub: do you need xinerama? |
| 11:16.58 | ThePub | no, I don't need xinerama really, just multihead. |
| 11:17.05 | blujay | ThePub: isn't that what xinerama does? |
| 11:17.09 | ThePub | I want to try out wmii |
| 11:17.28 | yos87 | somebody know why? |
| 11:17.44 | ThePub | blujay: well, not necessarily no. Xinerama is a means of knowing about the desktop, not multihead itself. |
| 11:17.51 | blujay | yos87: are there any bug reports on it? |
| 11:18.14 | blujay | ThePub: I don't understand. I don't have two monitors myself, so I don't know much about how it works in X. |
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| 11:18.50 | ThePub | blujay didn't sound like it :) |
| 11:18.56 | blujay | ThePub: hehehe |
| 11:18.58 | yos87 | blujay: what do you mean bu reports? no error shown, I have limewire on windowsxp , it's working and I can download the japanese name. But this problem in debian |
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| 11:19.12 | blujay | yos87: have you checked to see if anyone has filed any bug reports about it? |
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| 11:19.56 | yos87 | blujay: yea yea, of course, I try google, and I try the forum of limeiwre |
| 11:19.57 | yos87 | e |
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| 11:20.09 | blujay | yos87: I'm guessing it's unicode related |
| 11:20.24 | ThePub | is limewire a java application? |
| 11:20.30 | yos87 | yes |
| 11:20.30 | jatt | what does 'p' in this output mean? |
| 11:20.30 | jatt | prw------- 1 tomcat55 nogroup 0 2006-12-11 21:57 catalina.out |
| 11:20.31 | yos87 | java |
| 11:20.42 | yos87 | ThePub: could be java issue? |
| 11:21.30 | blujay | jatt: man ls ? maybe it's in there somewhere...I don't know |
| 11:21.42 | yos87 | blujay: what to do ? can you help me? and why I don't have character map? |
| 11:21.43 | ThePub | yos87 that would be my guess. if everything else on the desktop is working. although java natively supports UTF-8/16 so that's kind've strange. |
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| 11:22.06 | jatt | blujay: man ls doesn't say what 'p' means |
| 11:22.16 | blujay | yos87: I recommend you look for reports about limewire and unicode/utf. I don't know what you mean about character map. |
| 11:22.24 | blujay | jatt: sorry, I don't know |
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| 11:22.49 | blujay | yos87: if all else fails, file a bug report |
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| 11:23.17 | blujay | jatt: maybe "info ls"? more detail maybe |
| 11:23.23 | ThePub | jatt well, we know it's a filetype, right? :) |
| 11:23.31 | jatt | the problem is, if I do |
| 11:23.31 | jatt | >catalina.out |
| 11:23.31 | jatt | nothing happens (it should delete all file contents, and yes I am root when trying to do this). The call hangs, and if I do Ctrl-C to cancel it, following is shown: |
| 11:23.35 | piyush_patel | I want to get rid of uhci-hcd already loaded & same for 8139cp & 8139too .. how can i make hotplug to not load it again |
| 11:23.36 | yos87 | blujay: in gnome, If i click on applications > accessories > character map. there is all language here except japanese |
| 11:23.40 | jatt | bash: catalina.out: Interrupted system call |
| 11:23.48 | yos87 | blujay: how to file a bug report? |
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| 11:23.58 | blujay | yos87: apt-get install reportbug; reportbug limewire |
| 11:24.15 | blujay | yos87: maybe you need to file a report on charmap too |
| 11:24.36 | blujay | jatt: is ">catalina.out" the entire command? |
| 11:25.09 | jatt | blujay: yes |
| 11:25.17 | jatt | blujay: is a very common command |
| 11:25.19 | yos87 | blujay: do you have japanese in your character map? |
| 11:25.37 | ThePub | jatt p appears to be a named pipe |
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| 11:25.48 | blujay | jatt: try "file catalina.out" |
| 11:26.15 | jatt | ThePub: you are right. Following bluejay advice I get: |
| 11:26.15 | jatt | catalina.out: fifo (named pipe) |
| 11:26.40 | jatt | why does debian do such thing? It should be a log file (*text* file)! |
| 11:26.47 | blujay | jatt: what made the file? |
| 11:27.12 | ThePub | jatt it may be pointing to some form of logging utility or log parser. |
| 11:27.17 | jatt | is a log file set by tomcat |
| 11:27.25 | blujay | jatt: I'd blame that on tomcat, not Debian :p |
| 11:27.47 | jatt | blujay: :( tomcat-*Debian* package |
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| 11:28.10 | jatt | blujay: tomcats installed from source never create a named pipe for the default log file. |
| 11:28.15 | blujay | jatt: well, so? you expect the Debian devs to fix bug that exists themself? |
| 11:28.25 | blujay | jatt: are you sure that is a default log file? |
| 11:28.35 | blujay | jatt: log files aren't usually named like that. btw, what directory is it in? |
| 11:28.36 | jatt | blujay: I told you the problem doesn't happen in pristine sources |
| 11:28.50 | ThePub | blujay it is the default log file for the default container. |
| 11:28.58 | blujay | jatt: have you looked in /usr/share/doc/tomcat ? |
| 11:28.58 | jatt | anyway thanks, I know now the reason of my original problem |
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| 11:30.11 | blujay | jatt: and don't forget /etc/tomcat or whatever...maybe you can change it |
| 11:30.15 | jatt | blujay: no I haven't, that doesn't change the fact that debian is doing something strange here, that doesn't happen in the original tomcat (and yes it *may be* that debian is doing something wrong here, (debian packagers also do mistakes)). Probably when I have time I will file a bug if I cannot find a rationale for that. |
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| 11:31.03 | blujay | jatt: well sure it could be a Debian bug, but make sure you exhaust all the possibilities :) DD's are usually pretty good |
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| 11:33.13 | christopherl | does anyone know how to search for new installed packages? |
| 11:33.21 | blujay | christopherl: what do you mean/ |
| 11:33.22 | blujay | ? |
| 11:33.45 | christopherl | that I installed in my system |
| 11:33.54 | blujay | christopherl: I still don't know what you want |
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| 11:35.33 | christopherl | I have installed several packages this week, I forgot what I installed. I want to find them. |
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| 11:36.19 | blujay | christopherl: ah. did you use apt-get or aptitude or what? |
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| 11:37.05 | christopherl | so it would be nice to be able to search for: installed packages in previous 7 days. |
| 11:37.06 | christopherl | I used apt-get. |
| 11:37.30 | blujay | christopherl: well, I don't think apt-get keeps logs like aptitude or synaptic. buuuuut... |
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| 11:37.56 | blujay | christopherl: there's probably some way...I'm thinking if you list all the files that are installed in all packages, and then sort them by modified date, it would help |
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| 11:38.25 | christopherl | how do I do that? |
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| 11:38.45 | blujay | christopherl: actually, probably a better way is: $ ls -ltr /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 11:40.33 | christopherl | doesn't apt-get and synaptic the same thing? |
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| 11:40.48 | blujay | christopherl: what? |
| 11:40.58 | Dewi | christopherl: aptitude and synaptic keep a little more information |
| 11:41.06 | christopherl | ok |
| 11:41.13 | Dewi | christopherl: but they broadly accomplish the same thing |
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| 11:46.08 | christopherl | bluejay: I tested ls -ltr /usr/share/doc/, it worked, thanks |
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| 11:46.38 | blujay | christopherl: cool, thanks for letting me know |
| 11:46.53 | blujay | christopherl: that assumes, of course, that all the packages put something there...and I think most do |
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| 11:49.18 | cydork | christopherl: which version of debian are you using? |
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| 11:50.27 | cydork | christopherl: coz in etch dpkg keeps a log. |
| 11:50.28 | christopherl | just now im testing ubuntu 6.10 |
| 11:50.47 | cydork | christopherl: that's no debian. so please ask #ubuntu |
| 11:50.47 | blujay | cydork: cool, thanks for the info :) |
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| 11:51.14 | cydork | blujay: np :) |
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| 11:56.00 | mfi_ | okie installed etch earlier today and the cursor seems very slow when I use the touchpad |
| 11:56.14 | mfi_ | any idea on how can I fix this? |
| 11:57.03 | mfi_ | brb |
| 11:58.07 | blujay | mfi_: um...change the cursor speed setting |
| 11:58.55 | christopherl | cydork: doesn't it work on ubuntu? its debian-based |
| 11:59.34 | blujay | christopherl: versions and features vary between the two |
| 11:59.46 | ofer1 | !ubuntu |
| 11:59.47 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 12:00.39 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 12:00.40 | ofer1 | hola, DevilChaos |
| 12:00.40 | blujay | !hello |
| 12:00.40 | dpkg | Hi, blujay! |
| 12:00.40 | ofer1 | !hi |
| 12:00.40 | dpkg | hello, ofer1 |
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| 12:02.05 | DevilChaos | im now trying to configure my wireless card for my laptop but when i google my card in only get stuff relating to fedora core 5/6 im using AirForce One 54g anyong give me a hint as to where to start? |
| 12:02.47 | DevilChaos | debian did see it in the first instance in network-admin but since then it has dissapeared from there |
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| 12:03.36 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
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| 12:06.43 | cydork | DevilChaos: check here http://linux-wless.passys.nl if it works on fedora it will work on debian.. |
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| 12:07.11 | kod | how can I know the version and distro of my server? |
| 12:07.22 | cydork | kod: /msg dpkg version |
| 12:07.40 | cydork | kod: you dont know the distro? :O |
| 12:07.45 | kod | no :/ |
| 12:07.46 | DevilChaos | cydork thanks |
| 12:07.52 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 12:08.21 | cydork | kod: i know "Call the sysadmin" :) |
| 12:08.35 | blujay | kod: try uname -a |
| 12:08.48 | kod | doesn't tell me blujay |
| 12:08.56 | blujay | kod: what's the hostname? |
| 12:09.01 | cydork | kod: anyways that version factiod should tell you about it. :) |
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| 12:11.11 | xingu | looks like a booger |
| 12:11.26 | blujay | xingu: the ubuntu wiki has nicer ones |
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| 12:12.38 | xingu | blujay: the mini icon that's used by the window list applet and also the window menu in 2.0.0.1 - looks like a little snotlet |
| 12:12.48 | blujay | xingu: I agree :) |
| 12:13.16 | threat2 | I am trying to set user limits via pam's /etc/security/limits.conf, although the group I want to limit has a space in it, how can I escape it? I have already tried these without any luck --> @group\ name @"group name" @group\040name |
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| 12:14.46 | _damian | how do you format hard drives or flash drives in linux? |
| 12:14.49 | yos87 | hi |
| 12:14.55 | nick255 | xingu: did you see the animated iceweasel icon? it is somewhat clearer |
| 12:15.02 | xingu | group names with spaces in seem like a |
| 12:15.05 | blujay | _damian: you could use gui tools, or mkfs from the command line |
| 12:15.14 | xingu | deliberate attempt to shoot oneself in the foot to me |
| 12:15.19 | xingu | nick255: not yet |
| 12:15.21 | _damian | blujay: thanks |
| 12:15.40 | blujay | np |
| 12:15.47 | xingu | nick255: where does that hang out then? |
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| 12:15.55 | nick255 | http://www.geticeweasel.org/ |
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| 12:16.44 | blujay | nick255: that's a different icon, though |
| 12:16.44 | xingu | nick255: heh, privoxy gave that the smackdown quite nicely. |
| 12:16.58 | blujay | xingu: privoxy blocked it...? |
| 12:17.03 | nick255 | yes |
| 12:17.45 | xingu | blujay: it's been told to choke on animated gifs |
| 12:17.53 | blujay | ah |
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| 12:23.16 | pstickne | Is there a reason why: apt-file search initrd.img-2.6.16 (or any other thing I find in /boot) doesn't return a match? |
| 12:23.24 | CharminTheMoose | have i possibly entirely corrupted my data by deleting my bzip tar file?while i was bzip -d ing? |
| 12:23.37 | blujay | pstickne: I think that file is generated, not provided by the package |
| 12:24.09 | pstickne | blujay, blujay they all seem to be generated them (initrd, vmlinuz, config, etc) |
| 12:24.27 | pstickne | well, what a PITA. I was going to do some housecleaning. |
| 12:24.31 | blujay | pstickne: well initrd.img is generated by initramfs-tools |
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| 12:24.37 | cydork | hehe http://www.geticeweasel.org/mosaic/ |
| 12:24.44 | blujay | pstickne: now the kernel images should come in the packages, I think... |
| 12:24.53 | blujay | pstickne: how many old kernels do you have in there? |
| 12:24.53 | pstickne | blujay, I'm not getting any hits :-/ |
| 12:25.01 | pstickne | blujay, ohh, 8 or so. |
| 12:25.18 | blujay | pstickne: well, just apt-get --purge remove the ones you do'nt need |
| 12:25.40 | blujay | pstickne: that's The Debian Way :) |
| 12:25.45 | pstickne | blujay, fun thing is finding out the names |
| 12:25.58 | pstickne | blujay, espcially since somewhere in there things changes |
| 12:26.06 | blujay | pstickne: well just use apt-cache search, or even easier, use synaptic and look for linux-image packages that are installed |
| 12:26.21 | blujay | pstickne: then uncheck the old ones and apply changes |
| 12:26.27 | pstickne | blujay, bleah... actually, aptitude/synaptic doesn't sound that bad... |
| 12:26.38 | blujay | pstickne: it's quite easy actually, it's what I do |
| 12:26.50 | pstickne | apt-get install synaptic ;) |
| 12:26.53 | blujay | pstickne: no need to manually delete the files |
| 12:27.00 | blujay | pstickne: gasp...you don't have synaptic already? |
| 12:27.15 | pstickne | blujay, I was going to be like all cool and stuff but nooo. |
| 12:27.19 | blujay | haha |
| 12:27.27 | blujay | pstickne: how long have you used Debian? |
| 12:27.47 | pstickne | 6 months? |
| 12:27.57 | blujay | ah |
| 12:28.20 | blujay | pstickne: well, synaptic is quite handy...when I first started it was all I used, but now I use aptitude 99% of the time |
| 12:28.23 | pstickne | I first used synaptic but the lack of configuration (or package selection) irked me. so I used aptitude until I ran into "the bug" and then I used dselect. but I've never had to remove anything. |
| 12:28.36 | blujay | "the bug"? |
| 12:28.53 | blujay | and what lack of configuration do you mean? |
| 12:28.54 | pstickne | yeah, something stupid happens you need to go into dselect to fix the package or something |
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| 12:29.17 | blujay | pstickne: I don't know what you are referring to...I've never had any probs with aptitude |
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| 12:29.42 | pstickne | hmm. |
| 12:29.51 | blujay | synaptic + aptitude make quite a combo |
| 12:31.45 | mynullvoid | !dpkg beat $me |
| 12:32.00 | DevilChaos | anyone here messed with spashy thems i cant seem to change mine from the default |
| 12:32.04 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 12:32.14 | blujay | DevilChaos: /usr/share/doc/splashy ? |
| 12:32.36 | pstickne | with synaptic can I filter to just show installed/ |
| 12:32.37 | pstickne | ? |
| 12:32.45 | blujay | sure |
| 12:33.04 | pstickne | ohh, I see, need to setup a filter |
| 12:33.12 | blujay | pstickne: there should already be one |
| 12:33.18 | blujay | pstickne: explore the left pane and the buttons below |
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| 12:33.52 | stojmir | the ia64 iso images wont boot |
| 12:33.54 | stojmir | whats the problem? |
| 12:34.20 | blujay | stojmir: ia64 is a little obscure...you might have better luck asking on the mailing lists |
| 12:34.29 | pstickne | Ohh! |
| 12:34.50 | pstickne | Can I search within THAT? |
| 12:35.08 | Dewi | sandi: and you can set it to HILIGHT |
| 12:35.10 | Dewi | oops |
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| 12:36.27 | DevilChaos | blujay: usr docs arent much help either |
| 12:36.55 | blujay | DevilChaos: I'm pretty sure that back when I used splashy I changed my theme. And I learned how by reading the docs and editing the config files. so... :) |
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| 12:37.51 | DevilChaos | where are the config files located? /etc/splashy? |
| 12:38.09 | blujay | DevilChaos: probably |
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| 12:38.45 | DevilChaos | heh ok :) np think ill leave that on and go back to it later leastits working |
| 12:38.57 | blujay | :) |
| 12:39.21 | DevilChaos | bbl |
| 12:39.29 | DevilChaos | thanks :) |
| 12:39.42 | gb | Any quick fixes too thetrident xorg mess under sid yet? |
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| 12:40.16 | mc__ | how is the mysql-server package named in sid? |
| 12:40.47 | blujay | mc__: packages.debian.org |
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| 12:42.31 | kryptoz | guys please help me. I just now deleted two folders accidently .. rm -rf .. is there anyway to recover this please help |
| 12:42.36 | mc__ | blujay: thanks |
| 12:42.40 | blujay | np |
| 12:42.53 | blujay | kryptoz: what partition were they on? |
| 12:42.59 | kryptoz | ext3 |
| 12:43.04 | kryptoz | and unfortunately i didnt had the backup |
| 12:43.05 | blujay | kryptoz: no, I mean, where is it mounted? |
| 12:43.06 | kryptoz | :( |
| 12:43.14 | pstickne | do I need cpp-3.3? |
| 12:43.20 | gb | kryptoz: yes, restore frombackup |
| 12:43.33 | kryptoz | its a seperate hdd "sdb" and its mounted on a not critical dir |
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| 12:43.40 | pstickne | alias rm=rm -i |
| 12:43.41 | kryptoz | no i dont have the backup |
| 12:43.48 | blujay | kryptoz: cool...first thing is to remount it readonly to prevent further damage |
| 12:43.56 | gb | too bad so sad :) |
| 12:44.08 | blujay | gb: that's not very helpful or nice |
| 12:44.19 | kryptoz | okay hold on |
| 12:44.29 | gb | blujay: who says I have too be either |
| 12:44.37 | blujay | gb: you don't have to be, but you should be |
| 12:44.52 | gb | should smould |
| 12:45.03 | blujay | gb: wouldn't you want people to treat you that way? |
| 12:45.35 | gb | blujay: if I was foolish enough too rm -rf without a bacxkup, yes :) |
| 12:45.49 | blujay | gb: then you should treat others as you'd like to be treated |
| 12:45.58 | kryptoz | blujay, i rebooted the machine as there are so many logins which are by different users and they might be accessing it. but this is my server so i can reboot .. |
| 12:46.09 | boodie | In IRC some people think rude = cool |
| 12:46.21 | kryptoz | once i get the partition unmounted what shall i do ? is it the debugfs way ? |
| 12:46.25 | blujay | kryptoz: rebooting isn't necessary...just $ mount -o ro,remount /whatever |
| 12:46.48 | gb | boodie: if you don't like it you can /ignore |
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| 12:47.08 | blujay | boodie: unfortunately you're right |
| 12:47.34 | boodie | Young age, I guess |
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| 12:47.51 | blujay | boodie: quite possible...though there are also old jerks and young...non-jerks :) |
| 12:48.02 | kryptoz | damn its giving some public key auth error |
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| 12:48.06 | kryptoz | wo minutes brb |
| 12:48.15 | boodie | Yep - let's not generalize |
| 12:48.23 | gb | too many people think irc is there just for them and they have the right too oppress others they disagree with unfortunately |
| 12:48.35 | blujay | gb: are we oppressing you? |
| 12:48.49 | xingu | "help help I'm being repressed" |
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| 12:49.02 | blujay | xingu: actually he said "oppressed" :) |
| 12:49.14 | gb | repressed, is that being repeatedly sat on? |
| 12:49.18 | blujay | xingu: there must be a difference there somewhere |
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| 12:49.57 | gb | in anycase I was of the mistaken belief this was a debian related forum & I came in here with a reasonable question only too be distracted by trolls with nothing better too do |
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| 12:50.25 | blujay | gb: this is probably dumb, but... the sad part is that, since you have nothing helpful or edifying to say, you felt it necessary to ridicule him, meaning that apparently you enjoy belittling others |
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| 12:50.58 | gb | blujay: Whatever |
| 12:51.23 | blujay | gb: that pretty much confirms it. here's hoping you get a clue someday. (I'm not sure how to say that nicely.) |
| 12:52.06 | gb | xingu: where a sid upgrade kills your x from starting by removing a critical file too it's startup as part of the shift too xorg which I'm yet too find |
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| 12:52.40 | blujay | gb: maybe you can fix it by reinstalling the packages |
| 12:52.48 | gb | from what I've read it's not just related too the tridentfb driver either |
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| 12:53.33 | xingu | gb: sid<->sid upgrade? I've not had that happen to me |
| 12:53.48 | gb | yes I considered rolling back but there are many who said they persisted with the upgrade & made it through but didn't really elaborate in their blogs as too what they actually did upgrade |
| 12:53.51 | xingu | gb: tracking sid with worst-case a fortnight slew |
| 12:54.07 | blujay | gb: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen." |
| 12:54.12 | gb | luckily I do have backups too fall upon if I need too get x backup |
| 12:54.17 | xingu | gb: have actually just done a catchup and reboot about 3h ago |
| 12:54.48 | xingu | blujay: anytime you're done labouring the point... |
| 12:55.04 | blujay | xingu: yeah, I'm finished now, but I did want to paste that quote |
| 12:55.20 | gb | blujay: feel free too spread your rhethoric where it's wanted |
| 12:55.43 | gb | I've now got you on ignore anyway |
| 12:55.46 | xingu | gb: how far out of whack were you when you did the upgrade? |
| 12:56.00 | xingu | gb: versionwise that is |
| 12:56.01 | gb | xingu: bout 17months :) |
| 12:56.07 | xingu | oh. :) |
| 12:56.21 | xingu | gb: no warranty express or implied I think is the gist. :) |
| 12:56.25 | gb | yes lotsa things have been breaking slowly |
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| 12:56.59 | xingu | gb: if you track sid, it's a good idea to keep it fresh within a few week's slew |
| 12:57.02 | gb | up until I got access too this dsl I was inclined too leave things untouched while they were working |
| 12:57.11 | knubbze | hi |
| 12:57.14 | gb | but then I made the mistake of needing something |
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| 12:57.28 | gb | & like the pack of cards it's all collapsed |
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| 12:57.58 | nima | Does the netinstaller include parted? |
| 12:58.05 | xingu | gb: it's exactly that sort of thing that breaks the most in sid; the best testing is done against the next previous sid package, and the unstable package |
| 12:58.28 | xingu | gb: for ancient sid packages, and large upgrade deltas, probability will make you its bitch in fairly short order |
| 12:58.45 | xingu | err - "and the stable package" |
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| 12:59.23 | xingu | gb: if you're lucky it'll be one of the common failure modes like the fixed fonts hoopla |
| 12:59.27 | gb | xingu: the other big prob for my upgrades is lack of diskspace |
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| 13:00.10 | gb | I can only handle small numbers of packages at a time & I've so far managed too trim it back too just over 500 out of date |
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| 13:00.16 | xingu | gb: if you're not it'll take a fair bit of digging; I wouldn't expect the maintainer to be much help either unless you can file a reproducable bug triggered under the circumstances that the ancient package left you with |
| 13:00.39 | liable | nima: hrm, i am not sure if etch one does or not, but i dont think so, you need free space to install to |
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| 13:01.09 | gb | xingu: yeah I'm fine with all that, I've almost completely removed x by now anyhow |
| 13:01.12 | nima | liable, I don't think the etch one does... |
| 13:01.13 | beware | in debian since a while i get emails: "/usr/share/sendmail/sendmail: line 820: /usr/sbin/sendmail-msp: No such file or directory" |
| 13:01.14 | xingu | gb: been there done that wrote the book; is it a var/cache/apt thing? considered mounting some removeable usb or nfs storage there for the upgrade? |
| 13:01.19 | beware | i wonder what causes this and what the proper solution is |
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| 13:01.46 | nima | liable, I'm trying to resize the HFS partition on my iMac, and the ubuntu livecd uses too much ram |
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| 13:01.57 | gb | xingu: hahahaha this is a notebook with lotsa broken hardware on it :) |
| 13:02.25 | gb | the reason I acquired it was the lack of working usb & crap eepro, etc :) |
| 13:02.29 | blujay | This is a strange request, but does anyone have any image spam they could forward to me so I can test my newly-setup FuzzyOcr SpamAssassin setup? I'm anxiously awaiting some, but now that I *want* some, I don't get any! :) |
| 13:02.46 | liable | nima: bugger, theres a few rescue disks out there that have parted |
| 13:02.48 | xingu | gb: time for a present to yourself. :) |
| 13:02.49 | beware | post your email on some "free" websites |
| 13:02.50 | gb | it was otherwise destined for landfill |
| 13:03.01 | nima | liable, do you know of any that run on PPC? |
| 13:03.02 | blujay | beware: well, I want something *now*, not in a few days... |
| 13:03.05 | fireba11 | blujay: could forward you soem out of my spam-folder :-D |
| 13:03.07 | beware | problem anyone sending any spam email risks being considered a spammer by his own isp |
| 13:03.12 | blujay | beware: believe me I get enough already |
| 13:03.15 | nima | liable, I haven't been able to find one |
| 13:03.16 | knubbze | hey, one question: how do I change the distribution on a server that I have no physical access to? |
| 13:03.22 | liable | nima: i dont actually. sorry |
| 13:03.25 | blujay | beware: true, but it could be sent to spamtest@, and I wouldn't report it, of course |
| 13:03.36 | beware | knubbze: "remote ... installation" on google gives tutorials |
| 13:03.41 | blujay | fireba11: that's what I'm looking for :) |
| 13:03.42 | beware | for freebsd, debian, probably others |
| 13:03.44 | liable | nima: cant load the ubuntu one with just text mode? |
| 13:03.56 | knubbze | thanks beware |
| 13:04.11 | fireba11 | blujay: where to ? |
| 13:04.16 | gb | xingu: moral of story free in one respect is not always free in other respects, especially pain :) |
| 13:04.21 | nima | liable, nope. |
| 13:04.29 | xingu | gb: good, fast, cheap - choose two |
| 13:04.37 | nima | liable, googling for "PPC rescue cd" was actaully rather helpful |
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| 13:05.58 | gb | anyhow time too continuestripping x packages till Xorg finally decides too configure properly & work |
| 13:06.21 | kryptoz | Hey blujay , one of my friend had a script in python which does a very debug level of recovery .. i am trying it now |
| 13:06.31 | kryptoz | it will take some time.. i geuss i will get the data recovered |
| 13:06.47 | blujay | kryptoz: ok, cool...but if you apt-cache search I think you can find stuff too |
| 13:06.59 | blujay | kryptoz: and I think I bookmarked something relevant recently...let me check... |
| 13:07.08 | kryptoz | apt-cache search ? for deleted files ? |
| 13:07.24 | blujay | kryptoz: no, for packages that will help recovery |
| 13:07.28 | SerajewelKS | can someone recommend a torrent client other than azureus that supports encryption and dht (including nat traversal of dht)? |
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| 13:07.39 | SerajewelKS | nat traversal for data connections would be good too |
| 13:07.39 | kryptoz | please blujay that would be of immense help to me :) |
| 13:07.43 | blujay | SerajewelKS: KTorrent |
| 13:08.21 | cydork | SerajewelKS: stop downloading p0rn :P |
| 13:08.36 | kryptoz | Mean time if this script which my friend gave me works i will put it somewhere so tat everyone can use it ... |
| 13:08.56 | SerajewelKS | cydork: amazing the conclusions you jump to prematurely |
| 13:08.56 | blujay | kryptoz: how exactly does this script work? |
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| 13:09.14 | cydork | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 13:09.18 | kryptoz | hold on i will give u the scripts |
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| 13:10.15 | beware | if i have postfix installed, can i uninstall sendmail-base? |
| 13:10.17 | SerajewelKS | cydork: i like my music :) free music of course |
| 13:10.28 | beware | its installed atm. and i get sendmail related errors |
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| 13:11.23 | cydork | SerajewelKS: got it! RIAA :P |
| 13:11.25 | Mazingaro | please, where I can configure the remote x connection features? |
| 13:11.40 | fireba11 | blujay: not that easy .. it's getting sortet out pretty neatly hee :-D |
| 13:11.48 | Mazingaro | I could not recall... There was a tool in the control center |
| 13:11.55 | pstickne | Mazingaro, use ssh with X forwarding? |
| 13:11.57 | blujay | fireba11: huh? |
| 13:12.31 | Mazingaro | pstickne: yes, I know, but there a graphical tool to set the ports and all the "switches" :) |
| 13:12.44 | pstickne | what ports and switches? |
| 13:13.01 | fireba11 | blujay not that easy to find any image spam here ... quite some spam doesn't even get accepted by my server ... :-D |
| 13:13.09 | blujay | fireba11: hehe, nice |
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| 13:13.15 | blujay | kryptoz: here are a few URLs... |
| 13:13.18 | Mazingaro | pstickne: e.g. to change the port for X protocol |
| 13:13.18 | blujay | kryptoz: http://linux.sys-con.com/read/117909.htm |
| 13:13.29 | kryptoz | blujay, http://rafb.net/p/BuImeb40.html |
| 13:13.34 | blujay | kryptoz: http://e2undel.sourceforge.net/recovery-howto.html |
| 13:13.37 | kryptoz | thank you .. let me check the links |
| 13:13.43 | blujay | kryptoz: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/1652211 |
| 13:13.58 | kryptoz | thanx blujay |
| 13:14.03 | blujay | kryptoz: couldn't find what I thought I had bookmarked, but those were on delicious from searching :) |
| 13:15.08 | blujay | kryptoz: that script doesn't look all that helpful. there are programs that will do a better job |
| 13:16.09 | kryptoz | blujay, am going thru the links you send me :) lets hope that i will get things back i have mounted it readonly |
| 13:16.13 | Mazingaro | pstickne: I think it was in the kdm config tool |
| 13:16.23 | gb | eww kdm |
| 13:16.25 | blujay | kryptoz: what kind of files do you need to recover? |
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| 13:16.50 | MrFloppy | hi |
| 13:17.13 | blujay | !hi MrFloppy, |
| 13:17.14 | streuner_ | dpkg, say hi to MrFloppy |
| 13:17.14 | dpkg | hi to MrFloppy |
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| 13:18.03 | kryptoz | blujay, it is some python files, source code |
| 13:18.13 | kryptoz | over 400 lines :( |
| 13:18.24 | beware | it's over nine thousand |
| 13:18.25 | blujay | kryptoz: ouch...really should back that up :) when you get this finished, install backupninja, it's the best |
| 13:18.35 | kryptoz | i was about to check in to the cvs |
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| 13:18.50 | kryptoz | and thought i was removing one folder accidently thinking something, didthe worst |
| 13:18.56 | Mazingaro | pstickne: it was possible to configure the XDMCP |
| 13:19.02 | enouf | nima: are you here? |
| 13:19.12 | nima | Hello, eno-away |
| 13:19.14 | nima | oops |
| 13:19.19 | nima | Hello, enouf |
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| 13:19.28 | blujay | kryptoz: apt-cache show magicrescue |
| 13:19.30 | gb | stupid q if you upgrade too xorg will the command startx still launch x or do you need too use Xorg too launch X? |
| 13:19.31 | kryptoz | blujay, backupninja ...will try that as soon thank u |
| 13:19.41 | kryptoz | magic rescue :d cool let me get it |
| 13:20.27 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 13:20.28 | HardDisk_WP | my USB mouse has 5 buttons |
| 13:20.31 | HardDisk_WP | normally 2 of them should be back/forward in browser |
| 13:20.35 | HardDisk_WP | but it doesnt work |
| 13:20.37 | HardDisk_WP | any ideas? |
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| 13:21.01 | blujay | HardDisk_WP: unfortunately it's not easy in Linux always. it can be done, but it's not simple |
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| 13:21.40 | blujay | HardDisk_WP: even I don't have mine set up right now, though I used to, but it's so much trouble I haven't yet. I recommend Google, the Debian wiki, and the Ubuntu wiki. also look on those for pages about the mx1000 mouse |
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| 13:21.55 | Kevin` | probably because few people use mouse buttons for forward and back in a browser :) |
| 13:21.59 | Kevin` | in linux |
| 13:22.08 | blujay | Kevin`: hey don't knock it man, it saves a lot of mousing around |
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| 13:22.54 | Kevin` | you use the keyboard for that =p |
| 13:22.55 | heatxsink | anyone in here know why the mod_perl version is "1.999_21" |
| 13:23.09 | blujay | Kevin`: alt+this and alt+that do get old :) |
| 13:23.35 | HardDisk_WP | ok thx |
| 13:23.57 | kryptoz | blujay, i got magic rescue installed .. soon i will come to know :d |
| 13:24.11 | kryptoz | blujay, thanx a million !! |
| 13:24.19 | blujay | kryptoz: the magicrescue man page also mentions foremost, and "The Sleuth Kit," whatever that is |
| 13:24.37 | blujay | kryptoz: no prob...good luck...let me know how it comes out |
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| 13:25.10 | kryptoz | blujay, i sure, will let you know what happened with my data :D |
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| 13:26.07 | blujay | kryptoz: if you need them REALLY BAD, you might look at autopsy...it's a little complicated-looking, but it might work if the others don't |
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| 13:26.58 | kryptoz | blujay, thanx .. will check try that... |
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| 13:27.56 | pumpkin0 | How do i enable dma for ide-HDs in console ? It is a potato-install CD, so no hdparm available. |
| 13:28.12 | beware | potato. why? |
| 13:28.31 | blujay | fireba11: well, the image attachments didn't come through, but thanks for trying :) |
| 13:29.15 | pumpkin0 | beware: only CD available. It's that or windows 98. There is no internet and i'm not there (asking via phone) |
| 13:30.09 | pstickne | pumpkin0, it should already be enabled if supported... |
| 13:30.29 | pumpkin0 | pstickne: nope. /proc/ide/hda/settings says it is disabled. |
| 13:30.51 | pstickne | pumpkin0, then it likely doesn't have the required kernel crap installed. you could look with hdparm |
| 13:31.38 | pumpkin0 | pstickne: there is no hdparm on these install-CDs.... |
| 13:31.46 | pstickne | :( |
| 13:31.53 | pstickne | dunno then. |
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| 13:42.35 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:42.35 | dpkg | < guruman> is there some way to make ls list all entries starting with a digit, i mean like 'ls [0-9]*' or similar instead of doing 'ls 1* && ls 2* ...' < furrywolf> guruman: ls [0-9]* :P < guruman> furrywolf it says "[0-9]" is not a directory or file ... < guruman> furrywolf ls [a-z]* seems to work but not 0-9 ... strange < guruman> furrywolf lol .. ofc it works its just me that doesnt have any files beginning with 0-9 in |
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| 13:43.22 | sya | ey, is there any reason why i can't send anything from my wireless windows box to my wired debian box? |
| 13:43.26 | sya | window is DMZ |
| 13:43.59 | sep | define "send" |
| 13:44.03 | liable | how are you trying to send it? thats a pretty vague question... |
| 13:44.23 | sya | xdcc |
| 13:44.32 | sya | dcc* |
| 13:44.37 | beware | tried pinging already? |
| 13:44.42 | sya | hmm |
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| 13:45.09 | sya | Reply from 192.168.1.102: bytes=32 time<10ms TTL=128 |
| 13:45.10 | sya | yup |
| 13:45.19 | sya | .102 is debian |
| 13:45.49 | vertz | i have a small problem, is it possible to change the locales so i can use norwegian charatures without the whole system turning norwegian? |
| 13:47.39 | asg | vertz: /msg dpkg locales (see the last bit and the wiki entry mentioned therein) |
| 13:47.47 | sya | i can ping windows vice versa |
| 13:47.57 | sep | sya, when you send dcc from your windows to your linux thru irc you probably ship your external public ip address so so you try to send from within your lan wia your routers extranal interface... sounds tricky. why dont you just download winscp on your windows ? |
| 13:48.40 | vertz | asg: thanks |
| 13:49.01 | sya | sep, yeah i think you're right about that external ip |
| 13:49.09 | sya | i haven't tried ftp though |
| 13:49.14 | sya | might try that as well |
| 13:49.25 | sep | sya, so your routyer must support routeback. or your out of luck on the DCC part |
| 13:49.48 | sep | sya, dont bother with ftp, more complicated and less secure. use winscp |
| 13:49.57 | sya | ic |
| 13:50.02 | beware | ftp is '70s stuff |
| 13:50.17 | beware | i wonder why so many debian mirrors are still on ftp |
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| 13:50.31 | beware | i prefer download servers on http |
| 13:51.05 | beware | i once whined at a hosting provider for their debian mirror being ftp, and theyre like "ftp, f for files. http, ht for hypertext, stfu" |
| 13:51.06 | blondie | beware: because ftp gives better performance for large files than http |
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| 13:51.29 | beware | i know how both protocols work, where does this gain come from? |
| 13:52.04 | beware | ok, ftp is like, open connection, send file. http sends the file through the same pipe as the initial request header |
| 13:52.11 | beware | but unless you use chunked encoding, its simply send 1 on 1 too |
| 13:52.23 | beware | it could be just as fast, cpu wise |
| 13:52.59 | beware | also i have bad experience with ftp in general. if a download link on a website fails (times out), its ftp. if a debian package download takes 10 secs to init, its ftp |
| 13:53.49 | beware | http gives an "undelayed" impression to me. if you get a small file over a lan, its visibly instant. ftp seems delayed |
| 13:54.03 | beware | like, give a command (get dir, login, etc) and it spends seconds doing nothing |
| 13:54.20 | MrFloppy | whre can i know, what libs a gcc parameter uses? like -lGL or -lSM? |
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| 13:57.12 | sya | which one would you recommend xp or 2k? |
| 13:57.28 | MrFloppy | 2k |
| 13:57.39 | sya | why? and why not xp? |
| 13:58.14 | sya | i think xp aint used to serving, downloading files, etc huh? |
| 13:58.25 | beware | xp is 2k with more graphics candies |
| 13:58.36 | beware | and stricter licensing/unlocking problems |
| 13:58.55 | blondie | eh, I thought this was #debiann not ##windows |
| 13:59.06 | sya | lol |
| 13:59.25 | sya | ##windows people are crazy |
| 13:59.28 | beware | hm |
| 13:59.29 | beware | how/why |
| 13:59.45 | beware | i always wanted a windows channel to exist, i never considered looking for it on freenode |
| 14:03.51 | *** join/#debian MarcoPau (n=asd@adsl-ull-120-101.42-151.net24.it) |
| 14:04.02 | MarcoPau | hey is there any monkey's audio package for sid? |
| 14:04.23 | gb | What package will give a sane xorg config? |
| 14:04.35 | beware | in before monkey bashing |
| 14:04.55 | gb | monkeys audio? |
| 14:04.58 | kgoetz | gb: xserver-xorg? |
| 14:05.14 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.55.22) |
| 14:05.16 | gb | hmm dunno |
| 14:05.46 | *** part/#debian yunhual (n=Yunhual@221.221.37.254) |
| 14:06.18 | MrFloppy | what does locate libSM.so say to you? |
| 14:06.20 | MarcoPau | gb: yes |
| 14:06.36 | MarcoPau | the codec for .ape audio files |
| 14:07.00 | Flimzy | When setting up a private network on which some machines have publically accessable IPs, is there any reason to keep the public IPs and private IPs on different physical subnets? |
| 14:07.18 | beware | no there isnt |
| 14:07.29 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@81-179-173-251.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 14:07.34 | beware | well, not that i can think of |
| 14:08.00 | *** join/#debian Tallu (n=tallu@unaffiliated/tallu) |
| 14:08.31 | *** join/#debian Gge (n=Gge@202.134.145.13) |
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| 14:10.06 | *** join/#debian norc (n=norc@p54856E4F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:10.17 | norc | im looking for software to play audio cds |
| 14:10.23 | *** join/#debian bytecolor (n=chatzill@adsl-146-136-211.clt.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:10.32 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 14:11.50 | Gottox | Hi there! Some stupid question about the well known debian depency-hell(tm): Why the hell depends perl-doc on cupsys?!?!?!?! |
| 14:12.22 | xingu | Flimzy: if you're worried about the exposure when the first of your publicly reachable hosts is compromised, there might be |
| 14:12.25 | *** join/#debian urv (n=urv@cable-static-121-102.intergga.ch) |
| 14:12.46 | beware | well, thats a whole different question |
| 14:12.50 | beware | there's 2 scenarios here: |
| 14:12.52 | blondie | Gottox: it doesn't according to PDO |
| 14:13.01 | beware | 1: the publicly accessible hosts have an interface (IP) on the private network too |
| 14:13.08 | beware | 2: they dont, for DMZ purposes |
| 14:13.10 | Flimzy | xingu: Hmm... good point. |
| 14:13.16 | beware | in case of 1, there's no reason for physically separate lans |
| 14:13.22 | beware | in the case of 2, it's essential |
| 14:13.35 | gb | yay a different error |
| 14:13.52 | Gottox | blondie: its a indirect depency. |
| 14:13.58 | gb | at least x tries too start now & gives me a sne error message too go on |
| 14:14.06 | *** part/#debian bytecolor (n=chatzill@adsl-146-136-211.clt.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:14.07 | gb | sane too |
| 14:14.18 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 14:14.20 | xingu | Flimzy: whatever is acting as a router between subnets in the subnetted design is also acting as a policy enforcement/choke point between them. |
| 14:14.42 | Flimzy | beware: Even in scenario 1, depending on the severity of the comprimise, packets on the private LAN could possibly be sniffed, even if the computer in question doesn't have an IP on the private subnet |
| 14:14.43 | *** join/#debian ragedragon (n=dragon@lns-bzn-21-82-248-146-218.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 14:14.45 | blondie | Gottox: on testing or stable? |
| 14:14.45 | *** join/#debian grml (n=grml@p57A0CBED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:14.59 | gb | thanks for your hint kgoetz |
| 14:15.15 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 14:15.17 | beware | what i mean is the *intention* - if it is to keep them separated for DMZ purposes, a compromised box can trivially get itself a private IP, and do whatever it wants |
| 14:15.21 | *** part/#debian grml (n=grml@p57A0CBED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:15.23 | HardDisk_WP | I got somethin strange in my dmesg |
| 14:15.24 | HardDisk_WP | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4929 |
| 14:15.29 | Flimzy | beware: Rather... in scenario 2, it could still allow sniffing |
| 14:15.29 | HardDisk_WP | it's regarding my TV card |
| 14:15.40 | Flimzy | beware: gotcha |
| 14:15.44 | HardDisk_WP | How do I configure it and what software do I need to watch TV |
| 14:16.02 | xingu | Flimzy: sniffing is so passe these days; hunt down "arprelay" |
| 14:16.11 | Flimzy | Well the public boxes _will_, by necessity, also have an IP on the private network. |
| 14:16.15 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: install tvtime or xawtv. It should be working already |
| 14:16.17 | *** join/#debian java12 (n=java12@203.129.255.178) |
| 14:16.44 | Flimzy | In fact, the only machines with public IPs will act as load balancers to the machines with private iPs |
| 14:16.52 | beware | Flimzy then you can have them on the same physical lan |
| 14:17.14 | cydork | Gottox: if you use aptitude it will also install recommanded packages. |
| 14:17.26 | beware | although one could reason that the public network is being flooded/ddosed, and then your private lan goes with it |
| 14:17.36 | beware | in that case all thats needed, is for the lan to be faster than the uplink |
| 14:17.37 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, ok |
| 14:17.39 | Gottox | cydork: thats exactly what was wrong... |
| 14:17.44 | Flimzy | I suppose I _could_ set up routing to the private network, rather than being on the same physical network. |
| 14:17.52 | Flimzy | But that would only be a minor improvement in security. |
| 14:17.58 | *** join/#debian Adee (i=Aden@82-40-129-224.cable.ubr02.pert.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:18.01 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:18.07 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:18.11 | Kevin` | mmm spam |
| 14:18.11 | blondie | !ops Adee spamming |
| 14:18.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: Adee spamming |
| 14:18.12 | Adee | spam? |
| 14:18.13 | asg | !ops Adee |
| 14:18.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: Adee |
| 14:18.14 | Adee | yes? |
| 14:18.16 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:18.18 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:18.22 | Flimzy | Once a public machine was comprimised, chances are the private machines would be comprimised without any additional effort |
| 14:18.24 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:18.56 | asg | *plonk* |
| 14:19.01 | Adee | idiot! |
| 14:19.03 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:19.04 | xingu | Flimzy: you asked if there was a reason; creating a trust boundary between that which is directly reachable, and that which is not is a reason |
| 14:19.13 | Adee | idiot! |
| 14:19.14 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:19.18 | liable | RichiH: how 'bout a kline? |
| 14:19.20 | Flimzy | xingu: thanks |
| 14:19.25 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:19.27 | Adee | No problemo |
| 14:19.30 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:19.42 | gb | yes and if you use the same hardware for both & a box on the segment is exploited it can theoretically eavesdrop on all the traffic with it |
| 14:19.48 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:19.52 | xingu | Flimzy: personally I'd do so, and back it up with a packet filter (state, headers, and rate) too |
| 14:19.55 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:19.59 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:20.04 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:20.04 | cydork | !ops Adee is spamming |
| 14:20.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: Adee is spamming |
| 14:20.13 | *** join/#debian berry__ (n=berry__@tlb01.office.qsp.nl) |
| 14:20.14 | nvz | heh |
| 14:20.15 | Adee | !ops cydork is grassing |
| 14:20.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: adee complains about: cydork is grassing |
| 14:20.18 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:20.24 | nvz | cydork: horray capt obvious |
| 14:20.25 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:20.33 | Adee | !ops Not enough Spam! |
| 14:20.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: adee complains about: Not enough Spam! |
| 14:20.35 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:20.37 | xingu | Flimzy: the other IP design reason to do it is that you may find that the interior network and the exterior network have differing growth plans |
| 14:20.40 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:20.41 | asg | cydork: they will be eventually, /ignore for now |
| 14:20.42 | *** join/#debian jindal (n=jindal@202.141.41.27) |
| 14:20.46 | Adee | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:20.52 | *** join/#debian mirezwer (n=mire@8-166-222-85.adsl.verat.net) |
| 14:20.54 | Flimzy | To further blur the lines between the DMZ and the private network, many of our hosts will be Xen VM's... Which means that a private and public "machine" may be on the same physical hardware. Now I do have two NICs in each machine, so i can assign one NIC to each subnet... to at least give the illusion to a VM that it's on a different physical network... |
| 14:20.56 | cydork | asg: done already :P |
| 14:20.57 | *** join/#debian nodia (i=nodia@c-b0e9e253.119-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 14:20.58 | *** join/#debian rgsteele (n=chatzill@nat-pool.agora-net.com) |
| 14:20.59 | fkfkfkfkf | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:21.06 | fkfkfkfkf | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:21.12 | Kevin` | could someone stop the spam please |
| 14:21.12 | Flimzy | xingu: This network will not be growing much anyway... |
| 14:21.13 | gb | yes it'l be nice when that entire ip group is removed from server access |
| 14:21.15 | fkfkfkfkf | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:21.16 | xingu | Flimzy: ie, you may consume host addresses at different rates and the assignments may last different intervals on each network |
| 14:21.20 | xingu | Flimzy: famous last words. |
| 14:21.21 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4929 |
| 14:21.25 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, aargh |
| 14:21.28 | xingu | Flimzy: :) |
| 14:21.28 | fkfkfkfkf | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:21.36 | fkfkfkfkf | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:21.37 | rgsteele | Somebody ban him |
| 14:21.44 | fkfkfkfkf | !ban fkfkfkfk |
| 14:21.46 | Ash-Fox | rgsteele, /ignore fkfkfkfkf |
| 14:21.47 | *** join/#debian a-atwood (i=xf009976@nat/ti/x-0b3829feff6e4d71) |
| 14:21.47 | fkfkfkfkf | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:21.50 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, http://paste.debian.net/19080 |
| 14:21.56 | Flimzy | xingu: This is a very specific use subnet :) We have 32 addresses, are currently using 9... will be using only 3 or 4 after I set set up the public and private networks |
| 14:21.58 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:22.01 | *** join/#debian Pazzo_ (n=ugelt@dialin-225136.rol.raiffeisen.net) |
| 14:22.02 | Flimzy | xingu: It's a mail server cluster. |
| 14:22.03 | pngwn | if someone wasn't kissing a clueless newbies ass they'd be in here in a heartbeat |
| 14:22.03 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:22.05 | Flimzy | Where are the damn ops? |
| 14:22.08 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:22.10 | *** join/#debian nfi|ermes (n=ermsewrk@217.220.121.62) |
| 14:22.14 | cydork | Flimzy: vacation :p |
| 14:22.15 | Gnea | !ops blah123123 is blatantly spamming the channel |
| 14:22.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: gnea complains about: blah123123 is blatantly spamming the channel |
| 14:22.16 | Ash-Fox | !ops |
| 14:22.16 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 14:22.29 | asg | RichiH: if you happen to be awake, can you give the tards the finger. Thanks |
| 14:23.11 | Firestarter- | glad thats over |
| 14:23.23 | Gnea | is it? |
| 14:23.25 | Flimzy | xingu: Even if we grow from 9 servers to 300, we'll still only need ~3 public IPs :) |
| 14:23.26 | Ash-Fox | Set phasers to stun. |
| 14:23.34 | blondie | Set phasers to kill. |
| 14:23.35 | Ronin | Firestarter-: want to bet, ill bet they come back and try again |
| 14:23.36 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: did you check the V4L modules are loaded. |
| 14:23.42 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:23.44 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, what modules? |
| 14:23.45 | Gnea | fuck stun, straight-out disintegration :) |
| 14:23.46 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:23.50 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:23.54 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:23.57 | beware | why... |
| 14:23.58 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.04 | Eclipser | well that's wise |
| 14:24.06 | xingu | Flimzy: just don't choose unconsciously; how about you add to your strategic planning a what-if of what happens if the unreachable or reachable pools need to be resized |
| 14:24.06 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.08 | gb | Gnea: please its bad enough with that moron |
| 14:24.10 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.14 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.18 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.22 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.23 | gb | just ignore it's subnet |
| 14:24.26 | Gnea | !ops hey, wake up and quiet/ban i=Aden@82-40-129-224.cable.ubr02.pert.blueyonder.co.uk already |
| 14:24.26 | Ronin | !ops blah123123 is flooding the channel with spam |
| 14:24.26 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: gnea complains about: hey, wake up and quiet/ban i=Aden@82-40-129-224.cable.ubr02.pert.blueyonder.co.uk already |
| 14:24.30 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:24.30 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ronin complains about: blah123123 is flooding the channel with spam |
| 14:24.34 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.38 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.46 | Flimzy | xingu: that what-if would be accomplished by attaining a new and/or additional subnet, then changing mx records if necessary. |
| 14:24.46 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.50 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.55 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:24.58 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.02 | blah123123 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.03 | Ash-Fox | He could at least do the monty python spam sketch, this is a bit too repettive and boring. |
| 14:25.05 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-125-228-245.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 14:25.06 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.10 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.14 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.15 | Flimzy | Actually we'd probably change A records, and leave the MX alone... but that's beside the point. hehe |
| 14:25.17 | xingu | Flimzy: ... and adjusting N x netmasks, and ... :) |
| 14:25.18 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.23 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.25 | *** join/#debian PhilKC (i=greece@about/linux/staff/philkc) |
| 14:25.26 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.34 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.34 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.36 | dererk[work] | ! ops AdeeMZ1 |
| 14:25.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: dererk[work] complains about: AdeeMZ1 |
| 14:25.36 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:25.38 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.42 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.46 | Flimzy | xingu: Or routing between the old and new subnets. |
| 14:25.46 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.47 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.50 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.54 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:25.57 | Gnea | no, you have to get rid of the space |
| 14:25.59 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.01 | gentgeen__ | gneau -- thanks |
| 14:26.01 | Eclipser | hahhah |
| 14:26.02 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.06 | dererk[work] | Gnea, lol |
| 14:26.06 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.10 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.11 | Gnea | and that ip will need to be banned, not just the nick |
| 14:26.13 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, query please |
| 14:26.14 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.26 | dererk[work] | uhm |
| 14:26.26 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.27 | Flimzy | xingu: By the time we reach 254 active hosts on the private network, I imagine we'll have redsigned this cluster several times over... and have moved out of the 1 rack cabinet we have leased right now :) |
| 14:26.29 | dererk[work] | strange |
| 14:26.31 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.33 | *** part/#debian berry__ (n=berry__@tlb01.office.qsp.nl) |
| 14:26.34 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.38 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: => see DDC |
| 14:26.38 | dererk[work] | ! ops AdeeMZ1 |
| 14:26.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: dererk[work] complains about: AdeeMZ1 |
| 14:26.38 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.47 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.49 | blondie | dererk[work]: !ops has been done about 20 times now |
| 14:26.50 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:26.54 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:27.00 | asg | spamming the ops is not going to help either |
| 14:27.02 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:27.03 | *** kick/#debian [AdeeMZ1!i=lorez@freenode/staff/lorez] by LoRez (LoRez) |
| 14:27.03 | *** join/#debian AdeeMZ1 (i=Aden@82-40-129-224.cable.ubr02.pert.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:27.06 | AdeeMZ1 | SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM |
| 14:27.07 | Gnea | dererk[work]: your best bet is to simply ignore now |
| 14:27.10 | liable | dererk[work]: no point in continuasly calling ops, if they are awake, they get highlighted on the first call |
| 14:27.14 | asg | !beer LoRez |
| 14:27.14 | HardDisk_WP | LoRez, Kline him# |
| 14:27.15 | Gnea | ah |
| 14:27.16 | Ronin | asg: may wake one up though |
| 14:27.16 | xingu | Flimzy: fair do; the last part of this is - be aware you'll see link-local broadcasts indended for all-internal and all-public hosts on each other's interface resp. |
| 14:27.23 | dererk[work] | :/ |
| 14:27.29 | gb | Flimzy: I've heard that before & still see networks severly hampered by lack of forethough years after such statements were made |
| 14:27.31 | asg | Ronin: wake one up and piss 'em off |
| 14:27.32 | Gnea | !beer LoRez |
| 14:27.39 | HardDisk_WP | !beer LoRez |
| 14:27.42 | xingu | Flimzy: so make sure you adequately "don't care" about routing protocols and broadcast traffic that would otherwise appear to be a martian |
| 14:27.42 | dererk[work] | ! thank LoRez |
| 14:27.47 | HardDisk_WP | !beer LoRez |
| 14:27.50 | HardDisk_WP | !beer LoRez |
| 14:28.00 | blondie | I think he'll be drunk now :D |
| 14:28.03 | liable | stop it, its as bad as the spam |
| 14:28.09 | cydork | heh |
| 14:28.10 | dererk[work] | lol |
| 14:28.13 | xingu | gb: I learnt the hard way myself once which is why I raise the specter |
| 14:28.48 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 14:28.51 | xingu | gb: ... old stacks don't support vlsm either (imputed netmask from top octet) which makes it all the more fun. |
| 14:28.55 | Flimzy | Well I suppose I could bind eth0 to public and eth1 on private on each machine... Even if they are plugged into the same switch. |
| 14:29.05 | xingu | Flimzy: or, you could use vlans. |
| 14:29.05 | Flimzy | That would allow for easy separation later if we decide it matters then |
| 14:29.09 | gb | xingu: same I've built networks in schools, etc from scratch & they are nice and easy till you need too join 6-7 buildings together :) |
| 14:29.15 | nvz | gimp is being a bitch for me lately |
| 14:29.31 | nvz | I just opened 9 images from the same dir and one of the 9 wont save |
| 14:29.38 | Flimzy | xingu: How would a vlan assist me? |
| 14:29.58 | cydork | dererk[work]: what did i do ? :P |
| 14:29.59 | xingu | Flimzy: one vlan per subnet |
| 14:29.59 | Flimzy | I'm vaguely familiar with vlans... but don't see how they would fit into this picture. |
| 14:30.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 548] by debhelper |
| 14:30.18 | xingu | Flimzy: and a multi-vlan capable router to gateway traffic betwixt. |
| 14:30.21 | Flimzy | One vlan per subnet, but both the pub and priv vlan on the same physical network? |
| 14:30.22 | Ash-Fox | PhilKC, sorry. Trying to remember the correct /stats parameter, then when I finally get the right one. I bug you when the issue in #Debian was handled :P |
| 14:30.34 | xingu | Flimzy: yep |
| 14:30.43 | Flimzy | Oh, just for ease of separation later? |
| 14:30.47 | jelly | vlans rule |
| 14:30.48 | xingu | Flimzy: then if you care about separation, a vlan-capable switch to keep it separate |
| 14:30.57 | Flimzy | that makes sense. |
| 14:31.17 | xingu | Flimzy: yes exactly, so that the layers in your IP design reflect intent - publicly/not publicly reachable |
| 14:31.26 | *** join/#debian rogier (n=rogier@115-65-dsl.ipact.nl) |
| 14:32.09 | Flimzy | I suppose there's one additional ACL, if you will... and that would be "reachable for administrative purposes", which probably falls into the same category as "private" for all practical purposes. |
| 14:32.14 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=user@217.198.218.251) |
| 14:32.29 | xingu | Flimzy: I'd create a new network for that personally |
| 14:32.47 | Flimzy | So 3 networks? pub, priv, admin? |
| 14:32.48 | xingu | Flimzy: it'll help, later, when that becomes a globally routed private network |
| 14:33.10 | *** join/#debian raf256 (n=raf256@bta128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 14:33.19 | *** join/#debian slipstream-- (n=slipstre@ppp85-140-73-165.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 14:33.30 | Flimzy | We'll probably set up an IP tunnel to link our private internal office network with the admin network there |
| 14:33.44 | xingu | Flimzy: it also helps when you're setting traffic prioritisation policy on your multi-vlan router |
| 14:34.05 | *** join/#debian juan_ (n=juan@195.235.93.112) |
| 14:34.08 | juan_ | hi |
| 14:34.17 | xingu | Flimzy: obviously the last one you want to die is your shell-interactive traffic on the management/administrative plane. |
| 14:34.27 | Flimzy | right |
| 14:34.33 | *** join/#debian jharrisonwk (n=jharriso@a24-244-140-15.maxil.com) |
| 14:34.48 | gb | Why the hell would sumone need over 8000 fonts installed? |
| 14:34.48 | juan_ | i need to redirect the error output of a program to the stdin of another one, i use 2| but it doesnt work, can anybody help me? |
| 14:35.09 | jharrisonwk | gb: to have variety? |
| 14:35.18 | xingu | gb: maybe they couldn't remember what comic sans was called and they had some business cards to knock together |
| 14:35.42 | gb | yeah right, it seems xfonts-base is screwed too |
| 14:35.47 | jharrisonwk | juan_: foo | bar should work |
| 14:35.51 | *** part/#debian Gottox (i=1001@81.209.164.44) |
| 14:35.57 | gentgeen__ | Is there a way (without an if - then - shift) loop to count the number of arguments given to a bash script? |
| 14:36.21 | xingu | gentgeen__: $# ? |
| 14:36.34 | gb | good thing I can roll back too the working package :) |
| 14:36.44 | jharrisonwk | does bash have argc type thing? |
| 14:36.47 | jharrisonwk | not sure |
| 14:36.53 | jharrisonwk | dont know much of bash scripting |
| 14:37.05 | jharrisonwk | gb: is this in etch? |
| 14:37.16 | gb | I know lots of bashing :) |
| 14:37.24 | gb | isn't that similar? |
| 14:37.30 | gb | nah sid |
| 14:37.37 | *** join/#debian neeesat25 (n=mythtv@87.228.219.109) |
| 14:37.38 | Flimzy | xingu: Of course the private (non-admin) network will never send traffic outside of the physical subnet (unless/until the network expands to the point of requiring routing to another subnet or something, but that's unlikely ever to occur) |
| 14:37.52 | neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 14:37.53 | xingu | Flimzy: *nod* |
| 14:37.57 | jharrisonwk | gb: oh good |
| 14:38.11 | neeesat25 | I get this error: *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x0839b350 *** |
| 14:38.14 | juan_ | it doesnt jharrisonwk , the command line is: sar --help 2| grep sysstat | awk '{print $3}' | cut -d"." -f1 |
| 14:38.21 | xingu | Flimzy: exactly; that's another thing you can codify on your packet filter - to prevent north- (to public/admin net) bound leakage from it |
| 14:38.26 | neeesat25 | Anyone knows how to fix? |
| 14:38.32 | juan_ | with that i want to get the sar version |
| 14:38.41 | gb | neeesat25: get a bigger hammer |
| 14:38.43 | *** join/#debian edward__ (n=Edward@212-123-146-50-static.ip.tiscali.nl) |
| 14:38.44 | xingu | Flimzy: in fact you may well find that hosts on that network don't need a default gateway either. |
| 14:38.52 | Flimzy | xingu: Right. |
| 14:38.56 | juan_ | but the 2| doesnt work |
| 14:39.00 | xingu | Flimzy: just a nailed up network router to where the nearest admin station and loadbalancer are |
| 14:39.02 | liable | juan_: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#head-b1075115389e01ad8343da372eb68c5569ec3435 |
| 14:39.07 | xingu | s/router/route/ |
| 14:39.28 | *** part/#debian pumpkin0 (n=ram@ip-83-99-83-86.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 14:39.29 | neeesat25 | Any other solution? |
| 14:39.44 | *** join/#debian debq (n=debq@dslc-082-082-086-228.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:39.47 | juan_ | mmm, ok thankx liable |
| 14:39.47 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: maybe free() is being used to free memory not allocated |
| 14:39.56 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: what program is it? |
| 14:39.58 | gb | neeesat25: really depends on how you got that error |
| 14:40.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 554] by debhelper |
| 14:40.01 | streuner_ | juan_: #bash |
| 14:40.03 | neeesat25 | mythtv |
| 14:40.10 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: and how did you get that error? |
| 14:40.25 | neeesat25 | when I try to run video |
| 14:40.25 | gb | did you just upgrade it? |
| 14:40.38 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: sounds like maybe a bug |
| 14:40.39 | gb | if so roll the package back |
| 14:40.46 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: you should check in #mythtv channel |
| 14:40.51 | gb | then sunmit a bug report |
| 14:40.54 | neeesat25 | It was working before |
| 14:41.05 | gentgeen__ | xingu, yep... thanks. I thought that was just "NEXT ARG" not the number of arg :-) |
| 14:41.14 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: rather #mythtv-users |
| 14:41.15 | Flimzy | neeesat25: Is it working now? |
| 14:41.24 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: was mythtv upgraded? |
| 14:41.24 | neeesat25 | no |
| 14:41.34 | Flimzy | neeesat25: Then it doesn't much matter that it was working before, does it? :P |
| 14:41.49 | jharrisonwk | neeesat25: #mythtv-users |
| 14:41.50 | neeesat25 | nope |
| 14:41.56 | neeesat25 | ok |
| 14:42.04 | Flimzy | I think I will now shop for a car on company time |
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| 14:44.12 | gb | neeesat25: what changed between it working & not working? |
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| 14:46.22 | MarcoPau | I can't see umlaut characters in my shell |
| 14:46.33 | MarcoPau | althou the encoding is utf8 |
| 14:47.16 | Flimzy | What is kio_http, and why is it running and using 1.5% of my memory? |
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| 14:48.27 | streuner_ | MarcoPau: apt-get install localeconf |
| 14:49.02 | streuner_ | MarcoPau: oh, you asking for console :-) |
| 14:49.20 | streuner_ | MarcoPau: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 14:49.36 | MarcoPau | streuner_: yes in firefox and also here in irc I can see them correctly |
| 14:49.49 | MarcoPau | 2.3.6.ds1-8 |
| 14:50.16 | streuner_ | hm, try /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 14:52.37 | MarcoPau | streuner_: thad didn't help |
| 14:53.07 | MarcoPau | streuner_: I suppose it might be something in konsole... |
| 14:53.09 | streuner_ | hm, it works here out of the box, without need to change something, so what did you change? |
| 14:53.18 | streuner_ | yes, in aterm |
| 14:53.28 | MarcoPau | well I got konsole |
| 14:53.46 | MarcoPau | but also there, the encoding is set to utf8 |
| 14:53.54 | MarcoPau | and the font should be fine |
| 14:54.08 | streuner_ | what happens if you don't use UTF-8? |
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| 14:55.26 | MarcoPau | streuner_: wow, that worked |
| 14:55.46 | MarcoPau | I'll leave it like that |
| 14:55.52 | streuner_ | yeah, there are some things which doesn't work in UTF-8 :-) |
| 14:56.03 | xingu | still? |
| 14:56.07 | xingu | like, wow |
| 14:56.18 | streuner_ | try 'mc' with UTF-8 |
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| 14:59.18 | avb | hi all |
| 14:59.30 | avb | maybe somebody know how to ask openvz to generate /proc/devices in the virtual machine proc tree? |
| 14:59.42 | avb | i'm stuck on that problem |
| 14:59.58 | avb | don't want to change virtual machine |
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| 15:00.10 | MrFloppy | is there a NEw version of libc6 that hasnt this bug that made compiling of mplayer wine etc. impossible? |
| 15:00.11 | MarcoPau | streuner_: thank you |
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| 15:02.02 | nvz | openvz? they must have forked me, cause I have no affiliations |
| 15:02.19 | dendrite | They opened you with a fork. |
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| 15:04.42 | avb | nvz: :) ask them. openvz.org |
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| 15:06.44 | Suprano_ | how to search for tags ? (in apt-cache or dpkg or s.th. like that) |
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| 15:08.52 | streuner_ | MarcoPau: np |
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| 15:10.44 | jharrisonwk | "disassembles" sounds so leet |
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| 15:15.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 15:15.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:15.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 15:17.25 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 15:18.48 | yos87 | I have problem, I install limewire, when downloading japanese fileneme, it doesn't save it in japanese it saved lik ???? . and I can see other japanese files, sb know why? |
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| 15:19.46 | Suprano_ | maybee you need to set the UTF or s.th. like that somewhere in limewire |
| 15:20.11 | Buchannon | Is there a command I can type to see if there are any servers running on my comp and what port they are using? |
| 15:20.19 | asg | Buchannon: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 15:20.34 | Buchannon | asg: thanks |
| 15:20.38 | yos87 | suprano_: what is the utf and s.th. |
| 15:20.43 | markybob | yos87, you'll probably have better luck http://www.gnutellaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=89 |
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| 15:20.55 | Suprano_ | yos87 don'T know the english word |
| 15:21.52 | yos87 | markybob: I didn't came here when I just face the problem, I search in all that forum |
| 15:22.14 | markybob | yos87, i'm not telling you to search in that forum. i'm telling you to ask in that forum |
| 15:23.42 | yos87 | markybob: there is alot of question of many people no answered. few question only answered, I have some experience with other forum before. most of the time no body answer |
| 15:26.01 | yos87 | markybob: cause the problem is not from limewire, I have the same limewire version in winxp its working fine and it's writing all languages and filenames. |
| 15:26.36 | yos87 | markybob: I'm sure it's something related to debian or somepackage not installed |
| 15:28.37 | yos87 | i face also same problem with frostwire |
| 15:29.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | yos87: ktorrent.org, azureus.sf.net |
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| 15:31.11 | jello | i've got a samba/winbind question: if `wbinfo -u` shows me the domain users, and /etc/nsswitch.conf has "passwd: files winbind", why doesn't `getent passwd` show me the domain users? |
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| 15:31.28 | yos87 | Dark_Apostroph: I have azureus, But I don't know ktorrent |
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| 15:33.38 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Is there any way to encode a bash script? (I want to make it not viewable by the general public) |
| 15:33.51 | markybob | hid3 no |
| 15:34.10 | hid3 | that's a pity... |
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| 15:34.45 | markybob | hid3 i happen to agree, but we probably shouldnt get into it in here ;) |
| 15:35.06 | Flimzy | Are there any Visio-like programs for Linux? I do _not_ want to be forced to learn another Microsoft product (and worse, install and use it) |
| 15:35.14 | markybob | Flimzy, dia |
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| 15:35.48 | Flimzy | I shall install dia! |
| 15:36.02 | Flimzy | Does it write to any standard types of file formats? (other than PS/PDF, etc) |
| 15:36.21 | asg | Flimzy: it can do png and a number of others |
| 15:36.34 | yos87 | Dark_Apostroph: I'm trying to install ktorrent, when Installing it ask me for so many packages related not installed, I need to install all that? |
| 15:36.36 | Tallu | yeah dia is decent |
| 15:36.39 | Flimzy | good enough. |
| 15:37.03 | Flimzy | yos87: If they're only "related" then you don't _need_ them |
| 15:38.25 | yos87 | Flimzy: I ment requir, I was trying in the .deb downloaded package, But ktorrent available in debian package. I can use apt |
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| 15:38.53 | yos87 | But we cn find same file in limewire with ktorrent? |
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| 15:39.04 | Flimzy | yos87: If they're required, then yes, you need them. |
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| 15:39.28 | yos87 | Flimzy: why you are angry? |
| 15:39.53 | Flimzy | yos87: Bittorrent is different than limewire (thank god!). If ktorrent supports multiple protocols, it may support limewire... You might look into mldonkey, it supports many protocols including, I believe, limewire's. |
| 15:39.57 | Flimzy | yos87: What makes you think I'm angry? |
| 15:40.30 | markybob | Flimzy, he's used to a tonal language ... although i'm not sure how that translates to typing ;) |
| 15:40.42 | Flimzy | markybob: hehe |
| 15:41.03 | Flimzy | I kNOW how that traNSLATEs to TYPing |
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| 15:48.19 | warpzero | hi |
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| 15:48.43 | warpzero | can someone tell me if there is a way to install debian from inside another linux (i.e. into a chroot or such) |
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| 15:49.48 | Peggerrr | I want to grep for a bunch of values and only output the ones that run a exit status of zero, what would the best way to do that be? |
| 15:49.56 | asg | warpzero: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 15:50.12 | markybob | wakejagr, http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DebianChrootInstall |
| 15:50.31 | warpzero | asg, thanks |
| 15:50.49 | warpzero | markybob, bad nick complete |
| 15:51.11 | markybob | warpzero, at least you saw it :) |
| 15:51.19 | warpzero | yeah |
| 15:51.23 | warpzero | hehe |
| 15:51.26 | warpzero | thanks all |
| 15:51.50 | yos87 | I install mldonkey But how to run it? |
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| 15:58.31 | warpzero | hahha |
| 15:58.34 | warpzero | emerge debootstrap |
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| 15:58.43 | warpzero | i love linux |
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| 16:05.40 | vipersniper | i did a dist-upgrade and i get error Fail to load modules kbd, mouse, synaptics (modules does not exist. |
| 16:05.44 | vipersniper | any thoughts |
| 16:06.26 | pumpkin0 | vipersniper: dist-upgrades do (usually) not change the kernel. Did you see a change in the kernel-version ? |
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| 16:07.11 | vipersniper | i upgraded to linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 16:07.11 | sunrunner20 | whats the protocol for linking to debian packages? |
| 16:07.19 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 16:07.20 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 16:07.38 | pumpkin0 | vipersniper: does the mouse still work ? |
| 16:07.39 | hark | vipersniper: see if they are installed |
| 16:07.40 | mc__ | Rubygems does not work for me on testing http://rafb.net/p/qax9gG86.html |
| 16:08.13 | vipersniper | pumpkin0, i can't load x |
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| 16:08.46 | vipersniper | pumpkin0, whats the command to test the mouse from command line |
| 16:08.47 | pumpkin0 | vipersniper: Ah, you are talking about xorg-modules, right ? |
| 16:08.50 | cydork | !drxx vipersniper |
| 16:08.51 | dpkg | vipersniper: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:09.28 | vipersniper | pumpkin0, yes xorg-modules |
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| 16:09.53 | cydork | mc__: there is a rails package in testing afaik. |
| 16:09.56 | hark | vipersniper: make sure you have xserver-xorg-input-kbd , synaptics etc. |
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| 16:10.00 | cydork | !info rails etch |
| 16:10.14 | dpkg | rails: (MVC ruby based framework geared for web application development), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.6-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1734 kB, Installed size: 12920 kB |
| 16:10.16 | cr3 | what is "cpu capping"? |
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| 16:10.45 | pumpkin0 | cr3: limiting the CPU-time used by each user / process. |
| 16:11.09 | mc__ | cydork: but that package does not work too,http://rafb.net/p/VSLd2557.html |
| 16:11.17 | sya | how can i access my ntfs harddrive? |
| 16:11.27 | vipersniper | hark, how do i get those |
| 16:11.30 | pumpkin0 | sya: readonly. |
| 16:11.38 | cr3 | pumpkin0: would you happen to know if that supported with the linux 2.6 kernel? |
| 16:11.45 | pumpkin0 | vipersniper: "apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-kbd" |
| 16:12.01 | pumpkin0 | cr3: i don't know, i never needed it. |
| 16:12.01 | sya | pumpkin0, i know, how can i get full access? |
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| 16:12.40 | pumpkin0 | sya: reformat to ext3. Microsoft is telling nobody how NTFS works and nobody supports NTFS. simple ? |
| 16:12.49 | itchi | ipw3945 is now been in Etch. Had install it before like ipw3945 told to do it. Now need to clean it; make modules clean; and need to install it the debian way; aptitude install ipw3945-source ipw3945d; m-a -l `uname -r` prepare; m-a -l `uname -r` a-i ipw3945; Is that all what we need to do? It no work here :-/, maybe forget somethings?? |
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| 16:13.07 | hark | vipersniper: try pumpkin0's command and try to start X. See if the kbd module error goes |
| 16:13.09 | pumpkin0 | sya: there is a rw driver for NTFS but it is not 100% stable |
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| 16:13.26 | unseensoul | hi |
| 16:13.44 | pumpkin0 | itchi: which part fails ? |
| 16:14.02 | hark | sya: you could try ntfs-3g |
| 16:14.09 | itchi | pumpkin0: Nothings, everythings goes fine, just that the card will no work, it's looks been there, but no do his job |
| 16:14.17 | cydork | mc__: hmm i cant say about that error.. but you can try the #ruby i guess. |
| 16:14.25 | sya | i see |
| 16:14.36 | itchi | pumpkin0: I get no error an such |
| 16:14.45 | sya | hark, im on sarge though |
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| 16:15.08 | pumpkin0 | itchi: does the module load cleanly ? what does dmesg say about the load ? |
| 16:15.20 | LordBrain | I have a broken gdm.conf // My brother made it, and it broke on update... // I checked for logs, but I didnt get much useful information... |
| 16:15.22 | hark | sya: not available on sarge AFAIK |
| 16:15.52 | itchi | pumpkin0: hhhm, yeah, i think it's that the trouble, i have forget to unload it i think, he no more want to unload it now, gona pastebin |
| 16:15.54 | hark | sya: you may just have to settle for ro access |
| 16:16.10 | LordBrain | it involves using the face browser... |
| 16:16.23 | LordBrain | none of the pics show up |
| 16:17.16 | pumpkin0 | LordBrain: rename the config and reinstall the package using the option confmiss. That will restore the default config ... |
| 16:17.24 | vipersniper | hark, yeah all those errors went away no i get "no devices detected" error ;) |
| 16:17.25 | itchi | pumpkin0: Okay, it's unloaded now, moment, need to check now some things, looks like i have forget somethings :-) |
| 16:17.31 | LordBrain | thanks pumpkin0 |
| 16:17.52 | pumpkin0 | itchi: rebooting after hacking the kernel is sort of ... a good idea. |
| 16:18.05 | pumpkin0 | !tell vipersniper about pastbin |
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| 16:18.21 | pumpkin0 | vipersniper: post the xorg config and log via pastebin |
| 16:18.40 | pumpkin0 | !tell vipersniper about pastebin |
| 16:19.18 | LordBrain | confmiss is an option for apt-get? |
| 16:19.19 | hark | vipersniper: what card and driver are you using? |
| 16:19.26 | pumpkin0 | LordBrain: "dpkg" |
| 16:19.39 | hark | !confmiss |
| 16:19.40 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:19.44 | itchi | pumpkin0: Looks like to work now :-) Had forget to unload the old module before :-) Thought it goes automagically :-) |
| 16:20.08 | itchi | pumpkin0: I'm on wifi right now :-p |
| 16:20.10 | pumpkin0 | itchi: messing with the kernel and the modules is a non-auto-thing. |
| 16:20.54 | amphi | itchi: you should just be able to modprobe after that - did you correctly remove old modules? also you might need to restart the daemon |
| 16:21.01 | itchi | pumpkin0: Yeah, but saw there an line of 'unloading foo', i had trust it :-) |
| 16:21.30 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, now it works, had forget to trash the old loaded stuff :-) |
| 16:21.46 | amphi | itchi: ah ;) |
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| 16:22.05 | itchi | amphi: Have updated the article, but need to rewrite that section, bit messy now |
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| 16:22.35 | itchi | amphi: I have leave the /old/ way + remove the old way + install new way (debian) |
| 16:23.16 | amphi | itchi: the way of the pure is ever uphill, eh? ;) |
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| 16:24.02 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
| 16:24.05 | itchi | :-) |
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| 16:25.15 | itchi | I hope the monitor mode is enabled in the debian way |
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| 16:25.23 | knubbze | hi |
| 16:26.05 | knubbze | I've looked for remote installation how-to's, but I've only found old ones using woody, are there any ones for sarge? I'm not really looking for a step-by-step copy/paste how-to |
| 16:26.11 | knubbze | but sarge does not have a basedebs.tar etc. :( |
| 16:26.26 | amphi | itchi: is it? ;) |
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| 16:26.46 | itchi | amphi: Looks like not :-/ |
| 16:26.49 | itchi | amphi: Ooohh |
| 16:26.56 | itchi | amphi: Wait |
| 16:27.03 | amphi | ... |
| 16:27.09 | cydork | knubbze: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 16:27.11 | itchi | amphi: Work :-) |
| 16:27.17 | amphi | how long does 'iwconfig mode monitor' take? ;) |
| 16:27.35 | grendal_prime | i need to set a cron job to run every 10 seconds..is that possible? |
| 16:27.35 | amphi | itchi: I should bloody well hope so |
| 16:27.38 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, that did it, but the tool to scan not reacted directly ;-) |
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| 16:27.55 | amphi | itchi: kismet? |
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| 16:28.32 | itchi | amphi: airsnort |
| 16:28.43 | amphi | uhuh |
| 16:28.52 | itchi | But weid, i'm alone here normally, and i not see my access point, but some unknow ones, im in an nut here, not in an city |
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| 16:29.24 | pumpkin0 | grendal_prime: cron is not for such jobs... write a script that launches the job every 10 seconds. |
| 16:29.24 | amphi | itchi: "in an nut"? |
| 16:29.30 | cydork | itchi: must be a preety huge nut :P |
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| 16:29.47 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, 250 people live here around this nut city |
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| 16:30.04 | knubbze | thanks cydork |
| 16:30.08 | amphi | itchi: 'nut' means what? |
| 16:30.08 | protocol2 | what that command to reconfigure xorg? |
| 16:30.15 | amphi | !drxx protocol2 |
| 16:30.15 | dpkg | protocol2: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:30.19 | itchi | Not city, foget the name, pinda nut :-) |
| 16:30.38 | sya | hey, i just did: sudo mv /var/www/test_pic.jpg test1.jpg |
| 16:30.39 | amphi | itchi: 'pinda nut', right.... |
| 16:30.42 | sya | now the pic is gone |
| 16:30.59 | sya | i was trying to rename test_pic.jpg to test1.jpg |
| 16:31.06 | LightKnight | sya: it's in the directory you're currently in. |
| 16:31.10 | Tallu | sya: its in . |
| 16:31.25 | itchi | amphi: I think there's somethings weird, got near more as 20 access points, but i'm alone here haha |
| 16:31.35 | sya | i see |
| 16:31.38 | LightKnight | sya: sudo mv /var/www/test_pic.jpg /var/www/test1.jpg |
| 16:31.44 | sya | i know |
| 16:31.47 | sya | forgot about that |
| 16:31.52 | Tallu | well, you know now! :P |
| 16:31.54 | itchi | amphi: Or maybe Santa Clause gave the same gift to the whole street?? :-) |
| 16:32.01 | amphi | itchi: deuxième bureau or whatever listening posts? ;) |
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| 16:32.35 | itchi | amphi: I not understand |
| 16:32.47 | amphi | itchi: just a buncha walloons all running airsnort, I guess ;) |
| 16:33.30 | itchi | amphi: Hehe, yeah, but normally it's not possible, whe are to less here in that nut. I'm just arround Brussels |
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| 16:34.24 | itchi | amphi: Only my neighborhood have one, but's its my friend |
| 16:34.28 | amphi | itchi: what on earth do you mean by 'nut'? |
| 16:34.39 | itchi | amphi: A little city :-) |
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| 16:35.11 | amphi | itchi: ah - 'town'? 'suburb'? (means 'banlieue') |
| 16:35.12 | alexissoft | hi |
| 16:35.14 | itchi | amphi: Pinda nut :-) |
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| 16:35.29 | amphi | itchi: 'Pinda' is the name? |
| 16:35.30 | itchi | amphi: Verry little banlieu, je suis a la campagne |
| 16:35.38 | grendal_prime | thanks pumpkin0 i just wasnt sure if it was possible |
| 16:35.41 | amphi | itchi: ah |
| 16:35.48 | itchi | amphi: Where many !moo and chicken are :-) |
| 16:36.09 | amphi | itchi: good hunting over xmas? ;) |
| 16:36.11 | itchi | amphi: Now Three years i live outside of Brussels |
| 16:36.19 | itchi | amphi: hehe |
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| 16:37.14 | amphi | itchi: I just watched a .fr movie, 'Le Charme Discrèt de la Bourgeoisie', quite entertaining |
| 16:37.25 | itchi | amphi: :-p |
| 16:37.30 | lgR|`GTB|SAUCE | seek ftp porno /q me |
| 16:37.40 | amphi | !pal lgR|`GTB|SAUCE |
| 16:37.48 | lgR|`GTB|SAUCE | hqhq |
| 16:37.49 | itchi | !ops lgR|`GTB|SAUCE offers Prono |
| 16:37.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: itchi complains about: lgR|`GTB|SAUCE offers Prono |
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| 16:38.14 | vipersniper | phark the card is nv 56gfx go |
| 16:38.18 | E-Jey | I'd like to install Debian on one of my production servers. But what is the best way to get Etch. Install sarge and when Etch is released do an dist-upgrade or install RC1? |
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| 16:38.28 | amphi | itchi: quick thinking, would want the poor ops to miss this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity ;) |
| 16:38.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 16:38.36 | amphi | *wouldn't |
| 16:38.37 | itchi | hhm, was a bit to fast not have see one :-( |
| 16:38.40 | mentor | and the crowd goes wild... |
| 16:38.40 | itchi | haha |
| 16:38.48 | itchi | !beer mentor |
| 16:38.59 | vipersniper | hark, nvidia 56gfx go on a toshiba 5200 laptop |
| 16:39.09 | Ronin | ack, no more beer please, that last one i had last night must have been skunky or something |
| 16:39.30 | knubbze | cydork, I love you, that worked flawlessly <3 |
| 16:39.45 | vipersniper | pumpkin0, i don't have x so how do i cp those files and to pastebin.ca |
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| 16:40.26 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, looks somethings weird with the ipw here |
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| 16:40.41 | pumpkin0 | !pastebin |
| 16:40.41 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 16:40.57 | pumpkin0 | vipersniper: ^^^ the last 2 lines are about the posting from console. |
| 16:41.12 | itchi | amphi: I need to checkout, watch happend, i can not believe there are such many AP now, normally there are only 2 here |
| 16:41.17 | teledyn__ | hey what's the factoid for 2.6.18 on sarge? |
| 16:41.43 | itchi | teledyn__: /msg dpkg listkeys 2.6.18 |
| 16:42.05 | hark | vipersniper: so, what driver do you have in the Device section of your xorg.conf |
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| 16:43.14 | vipersniper | hark, "ivtvdev" driver |
| 16:43.26 | vipersniper | never used that before |
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| 16:43.36 | vipersniper | usually vesa |
| 16:43.49 | teledyn__ | itchi: thanks. i'm glad it has an apropos-like feature |
| 16:44.10 | vipersniper | hark, should i try another driver |
| 16:44.18 | itchi | teledyn__: Yeah, theres an dpkg bot howto also, maybe you need to search for it on dpkg ;-) |
| 16:44.36 | hark | vipersniper: yes, that's probably the reason. Maybe try nv |
| 16:45.28 | itchi | teledyn__: Quick hint: dpkgbot |
| 16:45.29 | hark | vipersniper: again make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-nv installed |
| 16:45.29 | sya | how do you format a drive again |
| 16:45.30 | sya | hark, i think im just gonna format it |
| 16:45.33 | sya | ext3 |
| 16:45.39 | protocol2 | how can I check what version of video drivers Im using? |
| 16:45.48 | itchi | sya: cli or gui ? |
| 16:45.54 | protocol2 | I swear I must have asked this 10 times |
| 16:46.04 | itchi | protocol2: Look in the xorg config file?? |
| 16:46.14 | pingouin | protocol2: cat /proc/driver |
| 16:46.15 | itchi | protocol2: Grep it on driver |
| 16:46.53 | pingouin | protocol2: for me, cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version (i know nvidia is evil ;) ) |
| 16:47.30 | pingouin | itchi: give the both, this information is helpful for me too ;) |
| 16:47.31 | itchi | protocol2: btw Driver |
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| 16:47.59 | itchi | protocol2: Capital is important, shuuut :-) |
| 16:48.11 | protocol2 | lol |
| 16:48.12 | vipersniper | hark, xserver-xorg-video-nv worked thanks |
| 16:48.26 | hark | sya: if you wont use windows, good choice. |
| 16:48.29 | itchi | pingouin: Have not it here |
| 16:48.31 | hark | vipersniper: great :) |
| 16:48.52 | vipersniper | ;) |
| 16:48.59 | pingouin | itchi: i meant, the tools for format again a drive, cli and gui |
| 16:49.07 | protocol2 | pingouin, Im using 9631 |
| 16:49.10 | protocol2 | thx |
| 16:49.18 | sya | when mounting a drive with fstab, what should i put for "<pass>" ? |
| 16:49.24 | sya | what's the default? |
| 16:49.52 | itchi | pingouin: Ow sorry ;-) gparted, cfdisk, ... |
| 16:50.00 | dendrite | sya: man fstab |
| 16:50.11 | pingouin | itchi: nevermind, thanks |
| 16:50.22 | hark | sya: depends on which one it is |
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| 16:51.53 | sya | dendrite, what about its label? |
| 16:53.35 | itchi | pingouin: I was confussed with your /proc/driver/ stuff ;-) |
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| 17:00.08 | sleon | SPAM :DD |
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| 17:00.15 | RvGaTe | With the dhcp3-server, it writes the leases to /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases, this file contains leases that expired a few months ago... is this normal? can i remove expired leases ? |
| 17:01.37 | itchi | RvGaTe: I think, yes, so that you can checkout wich release there was before?? |
| 17:01.59 | RvGaTe | itchi, true, but if its expired... why bother ? |
| 17:02.01 | itchi | RvGaTe: If someone kid is playing on your network :-) |
| 17:02.06 | dendrite | sya: I don't understand your question. |
| 17:02.21 | itchi | RvGaTe: To trace back, imagine a kid got an ip ;-) |
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| 17:03.00 | wireddd | my mouse acts all crazy when I try and play any opengl games, if I move it at all it looks all the way down. What can I do to fix it |
| 17:03.27 | itchi | RvGaTe: Take that many place? |
| 17:03.57 | itchi | s/place/space/ |
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| 17:05.05 | itchi | RvGaTe: It's useful in big networks |
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| 17:08.17 | nse | much more fun |
| 17:09.26 | resistance | itchi: if i'm using squid proxt server. can I cache a live hockey game? |
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| 17:09.40 | margiolas | anonymity under linux? |
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| 17:09.41 | itchi | resistance: I dunno about squid, sorry |
| 17:09.50 | resistance | does anyone else? |
| 17:10.03 | itchi | margiolas: Why not |
| 17:10.04 | alexcamilo | Hello, i'm having a problem. i'm running 'su kiosk -c startx 2> /dev/null &' and everything works except for all the stuff that x spews onto the console. is there any way i can get rid of it? the stuff that starts with 'XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2 20061003014557 root@voltaire)' |
| 17:10.31 | cartesian1984 | margiolas: do you mean to ask 'What sort of software should i use for anonymity under linux?' |
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| 17:10.56 | cartesian1984 | Or did I just come in too late to catch something? |
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| 17:10.58 | margiolas | I mean how? |
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| 17:11.09 | resistance | my sound worked perfectly in gnome, but i installed kde and started running it and it's giving my flak about my sound |
| 17:11.21 | sya | hey, what do i need to connect to an ssl'ed server? |
| 17:11.25 | margiolas | cartesian1984:yes |
| 17:11.35 | cartesian1984 | margiolas: tor and privoxy, is a good start. |
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| 17:13.08 | resistance | says dev/dsp cannot be opened, no such file or directory |
| 17:13.57 | cartesian1984 | resistance: depending on the driver you're using, it might be /dev/oss or similar. |
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| 17:14.10 | cartesian1984 | I'm not so sure though. |
| 17:14.16 | sya | hey, what do i need to connect to an ssl'ed server? |
| 17:14.36 | margiolas | cartesian1984: I tried tor but I can use them I have installed also privoxy but nothing tor does'nt work I tried to run tor as root but I got a message That i have to run it as debian-tor but when i change to debian tor and I give the command tor I get the message "tor doesn't exist" |
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| 17:15.56 | cartesian1984 | margiolas: I think it's automagically added to your startup processes. do ps aux| grep tor |
| 17:16.09 | cartesian1984 | margiolas: to see if it's already running. if you get results other than 'grep tor' it's running. |
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| 17:16.26 | cydork | margiolas: tor installs a deamon in init.d |
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| 17:17.34 | cartesian1984 | cydork, yeah....so margiolas, just do sudo /etc/init.d/tor start |
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| 17:17.40 | cartesian1984 | Er, not with sudo, as root. |
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| 17:18.04 | cartesian1984 | Or with sudo if you've configured it. Whatever floats your boat. |
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| 17:18.55 | cartesian1984 | Do I need a framebuffer device driver if I'm not using X? I'm recompiling right now. |
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| 17:19.43 | cydork | cartesian1984: nope, not unless you want to watch pics in command line :P |
| 17:19.52 | cartesian1984 | cydork: thanks. |
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| 17:20.57 | MrFloppy | how can i chech which packages provies a specific file? |
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| 17:22.25 | NiCeBoY | hello |
| 17:22.29 | NiCeBoY | ai am tring this command wget http://fs02n2.sendspace.com/dl/c8ee76bf25ef9d028966f63b48a58ba3/4592a8f9/lpmvho/sailor%20moon%20ep%2018%20-%20worth%20a%20princess's%20ransom.avi |
| 17:22.36 | NiCeBoY | but its not working any idea why plz? |
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| 17:23.13 | pumpkin0 | !tell NiCeBoY about not working |
| 17:23.16 | cartesian1984 | NiCeBoY: try putting the URL in quotes. |
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| 17:23.50 | NiCeBoY | cartesian1984 can u give me an example plz? how it will look like in quote/ |
| 17:23.51 | NiCeBoY | ? |
| 17:24.17 | hark | MrFloppy: try apt-file |
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| 17:24.59 | NiCeBoY | hark ? |
| 17:25.29 | danielmccauley | If i were to download 3.1r2, is there an auto update option? |
| 17:25.30 | cydork | MrFloppy: /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:26.03 | NiCeBoY | !help wget |
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| 17:26.12 | NiCeBoY | !wget |
| 17:26.12 | dpkg | methinks wget is an excellent file retrieval utility (HTTP and FTP) with many options, or the command `apt-get install wget wget-ssl` Winner of the greycat award for "Package Whose Man Page is Least Likely to be Read by Newbies". |
| 17:26.13 | Ronin | NiCeBoY: just put in between qutoation marks |
| 17:26.30 | cydork | danielmccauley: there is a cronapt which downloads the updates, you dont want more than that! |
| 17:26.54 | danielmccauley | cydork: so will they kick in automatically in Gnome? |
| 17:26.59 | pumpkin0 | NiCeBoY: qutoation marks = ". Put one on each side of the URL (= the thing starting with http://) |
| 17:27.00 | NiCeBoY | Ronin like that ? wget http://fs02n2.sendspace.com/dl/c8ee76bf25ef9d028966f63b48a58ba3/4592a8f9/lpmvho/sailor!moon!ep!18!-!worth!a!princess's!ransom.avi |
| 17:27.25 | Ronin | NiCeBoY: " use those at the beginning and end of the url |
| 17:27.41 | sya | wget "http://www.google.com/ms.exe" |
| 17:27.42 | sya | ^^ |
| 17:28.00 | wireddd | how can I get opengl games to use my mouse properly? right now when I move my mouse it jumps all the way to the bottom right corner and is stuck there |
| 17:28.12 | NiCeBoY | fast:~# wget "http://fs02n2.sendspace.com/dl/c8ee76bf25ef9d028966f63b48a58ba3/4592a8f9/lpmvho/sailor!moon!ep!18!-!worth!a!princess's!ransom.avi" |
| 17:28.13 | NiCeBoY | -bash: !moon!ep!18!-!worth!a!princess's!ransom.avi": event not found |
| 17:28.15 | cydork | danielmccauley: i dont think sarge has update-notifier |
| 17:28.17 | NiCeBoY | here is the error:P |
| 17:28.40 | pumpkin0 | NiCeBoY: .... just use a browser, OK ? |
| 17:28.56 | sya | The download link has been updated (error: #2). |
| 17:28.56 | sya | You may now download the file. |
| 17:29.03 | sya | NiCeBoY, check their ite |
| 17:29.06 | sya | site* |
| 17:29.15 | NiCeBoY | pumpkin0 no i am on ssh with my debian server.. |
| 17:29.21 | NiCeBoY | ok.. |
| 17:29.38 | sya | wget "http://fs02n2.sendspace.com/dl/998f082c28ea87c880d76489c388fb41/4592ad3a/lpmvho/sailor%20moon%20ep%2018%20-%20worth%20a%20princess's%20ransom.avi" |
| 17:29.42 | sya | try that |
| 17:30.34 | MrFloppy | should /usr/include/GL/gl.h glx.h etc. be from nvidia or from mesa? |
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| 17:32.45 | SerajewelKS | is there a panel/dock in debian that will play nicely with beryl? |
| 17:33.15 | SerajewelKS | not that gnome-panel doesn't, but something that uses beryl's features or has more eyecandy than gnome :) |
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| 17:37.30 | cartesian1984 | SerajewelKS: you can always use E17. Not sure if it works with beryl though. |
| 17:38.10 | resistance | cartesian1984: what can i do to fix my problem? |
| 17:38.43 | cartesian1984 | resistance: your problem was that your sound was not working in KDE, right? |
| 17:38.51 | cartesian1984 | But it does work in gnome? |
| 17:39.04 | resistance | cartesian1984: yes |
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| 17:40.04 | cartesian1984 | resistance: it could be that artsd or kmix is misconfigured. I'd start with looking at the artsd configuration file. Sadly, I have no idea where this is. |
| 17:40.16 | sunrunner20 | tarzeau: round? |
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| 17:40.34 | inchworm | i'm trying to upgrade from sarge to etch and i've probably broken the whole thing, anyway i'm at a point where it can't install openssh-(client/server) because it can't overwrite /etc/ini.d/ssh, Any hints? |
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| 17:43.55 | hark | inchworm: check bts? |
| 17:44.08 | cydork | resistance: what does fuser /dev/dsp say? |
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| 17:44.21 | inchworm | hark: bts? |
| 17:44.26 | cydork | inchworm: what is the exact error? if it's more that 3 lines pastebin it |
| 17:44.49 | hark | !bts |
| 17:44.50 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:45.03 | resistance | cydork: cannot stat dev/dsp: no such file or directory |
| 17:45.32 | cydork | resistance: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 17:45.47 | inchworm | cydork: take me a minute to type the error message into pastebin |
| 17:45.47 | tapiwa | I am trying to install debian - dell inspiron 6000, have 500gig hdd - the problem, when I insert the install dvd the display flickers (no idea whats going on, so I abort), any ideas |
| 17:46.41 | resistance | cydork, i did and ran fuser, still the same |
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| 17:48.02 | cydork | resistance: did modprobe give any errors? does /dev/dsp exists? |
| 17:48.51 | resistance | doesn't exist my dev/snd exists |
| 17:48.52 | hark | inchworm: is it related to this? -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=402903 |
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| 17:49.57 | resistance | modprobe gave no errors |
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| 17:51.06 | tapiwa | please help, I am trying to install debian - the problem (DISPLAY FLICKERS - NO POSSIBLE TO SEE WHATS GOING ON) |
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| 17:51.51 | tapiwa | I have installed windows xp, suse, fedora - no problem , ONLY WHEN I TRY TO INSTALL DEBIAN |
| 17:52.10 | pumpkin0 | tapiwa: try another release. Or play with the kernel-parameters. |
| 17:52.12 | cydork | resistance: the user is in audio group? |
| 17:53.06 | LinkWork | is there a curses-based network config utility for etch? (Sarge et al used etherconf but it has apparently been removed) |
| 17:53.12 | resistance | cydork: no it is |
| 17:53.15 | resistance | now |
| 17:53.23 | inchworm | hark, looks very right right, i'll try it. i was busy typing into pastbin -> http://pastebin.com/845835 |
| 17:53.31 | cydork | resistance: still no /dev/dsp? |
| 17:54.32 | resistance | cydork: yes |
| 17:54.47 | tapiwa | pumpkin0: i am trying to install debian 3.1 r 3 |
| 17:55.03 | resistance | cydork: i have dsp |
| 17:55.09 | resistance | but user can't run it |
| 17:55.14 | inchworm | hark: no dice, i have other old packages from that are doing depends, also i have a lot of broken dependencies now related to xfree |
| 17:55.31 | CharminTheMoose | when upgrading to etch,is it necessary for me to edit every single line to etch or just the first one? |
| 17:55.33 | cartesian1984 | cydork: does that module choose and load the proper driver, or is it just generic audio? |
| 17:55.54 | cartesian1984 | snd-pcm-oss, I mean. |
| 17:56.06 | cydork | cartesian1984: it just provides the oss compatibility layer |
| 17:56.12 | cartesian1984 | cydork: ah.. |
| 17:56.40 | cydork | resistance: user cant run what? |
| 17:56.49 | resistance | the dsp file |
| 17:56.49 | cartesian1984 | /dev/dsp |
| 17:56.59 | resistance | i added to user to audio group |
| 17:57.19 | cartesian1984 | Huh. But it sounds like you're not in the audio group... |
| 17:57.22 | resistance | also i still get the same error with fuser |
| 17:57.41 | inchworm | hark: is there a fast way to stripe the system packages down to minimum and then i'll rebuild from there? |
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| 17:57.59 | cydork | resistance: the error from fuser is that /dev/dsp doesn't exists? |
| 17:58.09 | resistance | cydork yes |
| 17:58.23 | inchworm | hark: i have a lot of dependencies that are going to pop up with the xfree to xorg change |
| 17:58.36 | protocol1 | how do I switch my driver from nvidia to nv |
| 17:58.42 | protocol1 | I forget where to go? |
| 17:58.47 | hark | inchworm: none that i am aware of |
| 17:58.55 | blondie | protocol1: /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if you have etch) |
| 17:59.01 | CharminTheMoose | /etc/X11/xf86config-4 |
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| 17:59.04 | cydork | resistance: if the the /dev/dsp exists it should not have probs. forget fuser try kde again |
| 17:59.12 | cydork | !drxx protocol1 |
| 17:59.13 | dpkg | protocol1: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:59.18 | CharminTheMoose | when upgrading to etch,is it necessary for me to edit every single line to etch or just the first one? |
| 17:59.20 | yos873 | MHD hi |
| 17:59.22 | hark | protocol1: Section Device |
| 17:59.33 | resistance | cydork: under root terminal i get: /dev/dsp: 11206 |
| 17:59.41 | resistance | user the user terminal i get nothing |
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| 18:00.33 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: every single line |
| 18:00.42 | CharminTheMoose | kk |
| 18:00.43 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 18:01.19 | cydork | resistance: you can check whcich process is that by ps -aux|grep 11206 |
| 18:02.00 | inchworm | hark: i'm going to to just reinstall, also i noticed a netinstall for amd64 (which i have), any reason not to use amd64 over i386? |
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| 18:02.13 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here knowing a graphic FTP client? |
| 18:02.16 | hark | inchworm: make sure you have x-window-system-core. |
| 18:02.22 | CharminTheMoose | filerunner harddisk |
| 18:02.25 | cartesian1984 | HardDisk_WP: gftp is one. |
| 18:02.29 | LinkWork | is there a curses-based network config utility for etch? (Sarge et al used etherconf but it has apparently been removed) |
| 18:02.38 | hark | HardDisk_WP: filezilla |
| 18:02.47 | cydork | LinkWork: man interfaces ;) |
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| 18:03.31 | CharminTheMoose | so etch is stable?ie etch can be used without my computer suddenly blowing up too much? |
| 18:03.53 | LinkWork | cydork: I know how to configure network interfaces manually but we distribute a debian-based product and our clients typically have zero linux experience |
| 18:04.22 | cydork | LinkWork: then they must use kde or gnome. both have the utils for that. |
| 18:04.24 | inchworm | hark: tried apt-get -f install x-window-system-core and it spits out 12 packages not meeting dependencies, ranging from kdessh to xprint-common |
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| 18:05.11 | LinkWork | cydork: our product is server-based so it does not include a desktop environment... curses-based or even text-menu based would be fine though |
| 18:05.20 | zimnyx | Do you know some app that i can decode mp3 to audio format ready to burn on audio CD? |
| 18:05.25 | hark | inchworm: try a dist-upgrade. even aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 18:06.07 | cydork | LinkWork: i am afraid there is none .. |
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| 18:06.09 | LinkWork | I was thinking, since the new debian installer is supposed to be so modular, would it be possible to install debian-installer and to somehow re-use the component that does network config? It seems very similar to the old etherconf... |
| 18:07.02 | hark | inchworm: there are hassles if you go the amd64 route. It's not for everyone. Especially if you require stuff like w32codecs, flash etc |
| 18:07.18 | inchworm | hark: i did an upgrade then the dist-upgrade. That's how i got here. somewhere in there it threatened to remove the running kernel and i said no don't, it then exited on me. I tried re running it from there, but things are probably messedup becuase i think i used upgrade more than once sandwiched between dist-upgrades |
| 18:07.39 | inchworm | hark: ahh, thanks, i'll go i386 then, i'm tired of fighting with amd64 stuff |
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| 18:08.25 | hark | inchworm: heh, well good luck :) |
| 18:08.49 | CharminTheMoose | so etch is stable?ie etch can be used without my computer suddenly blowing up too much? |
| 18:09.36 | HardDisk_WP | cartesian1984, thx |
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| 18:10.01 | HardDisk_WP | gnah, gtkpod fails to start (a selfcompiled version) |
| 18:10.02 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: well it's pretty stable. :P |
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| 18:10.24 | HardDisk_WP | (gtkpod:17356): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_combo_box_get_active_text: assertion `GTK_IS_LIST_STORE (combo_box->priv->model)' failed |
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| 18:10.46 | hark | CharminTheMoose: your computer probably wont blow up 'too much' ;) |
| 18:10.56 | CharminTheMoose | heh,hopefully |
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| 18:11.22 | cartesian1984 | Sure thing, HardDisk_WP. |
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| 18:13.01 | teledyn__ | what does "TFA" mean on ./ ? |
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| 18:13.54 | LinkWork | "the f***ing article" |
| 18:14.09 | teledyn__ | oh, i thought that. but then i thought that couldn't be so. |
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| 18:14.31 | hark | teledyn__: the *fine* article |
| 18:14.33 | teledyn__ | why the "F" ? |
| 18:14.38 | LinkWork | even better |
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| 18:15.11 | inchworm | hark: thanks for the help |
| 18:15.14 | inchworm | cydork: you too :) |
| 18:15.15 | protocol1 | Why is it everytime I try to change my nvidia driver to nvidia is doesnt start in X |
| 18:15.17 | protocol1 | ? |
| 18:15.20 | jeward | What is the appropriate kernel for: Pentium II (Deschutes) |
| 18:15.57 | protocol1 | is does with nv though |
| 18:15.57 | cydork | protocol1: blame nvidia :P |
| 18:15.57 | teledyn__ | !nvidia |
| 18:15.57 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about <nvidia-installer>. Instead, see <nvidia-graphics-drivers> for instructions, or<nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. |
| 18:15.58 | jeward | 586tsc? |
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| 18:16.48 | cartesian1984 | !nvidia-one-liner |
| 18:17.05 | cartesian1984 | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:17.05 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 18:17.10 | jeward | What is the appropriate kernel for: Pentium II (Deschutes) 586tsc? |
| 18:17.17 | cartesian1984 | I was curious. |
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| 18:17.24 | teledyn__ | yeah cartesian1984 that was mentioned in the nvidia factoid already |
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| 18:18.15 | teledyn__ | jeward: a PII is a 586 |
| 18:18.42 | cydork | !info linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:18.43 | teledyn__ | beyond that, its virtually a doorstop |
| 18:18.53 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+5 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 18:19.01 | jeward | teledyn__: Yes, I'm not sure whether to use 386 or 586tsc kernel. |
| 18:19.12 | cydork | jeward: look what dpkg said. |
| 18:19.16 | teledyn__ | oh |
| 18:19.25 | jeward | Oh! |
| 18:19.38 | jeward | I'll just use the 2.6 686 kernel then. |
| 18:19.40 | teledyn__ | i guess PI was 586 |
| 18:19.40 | jeward | Thanks! |
| 18:20.00 | teledyn__ | that's right: "Pent"ium 5... i remember... |
| 18:21.20 | jeward | Making a firewall. |
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| 18:22.04 | tommy | do you know how I can remap keys to other events of my keyboard? |
| 18:22.27 | tommy | I use fn+backspace to emulate "del" button; I want to associate to a key that I don't use |
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| 18:23.40 | HardDisk_WP | what do i need to do to get my iPod automatically mounted to /media/ipod? |
| 18:23.49 | louie` | Hello, whats the name for the software I need to start my computer with the "power on LAN" function |
| 18:23.57 | HardDisk_WP | the /dev/sd*2 changes every connect |
| 18:23.58 | cydork | louie`: etherwake? |
| 18:24.04 | cydork | louie`: wakeonlan? |
| 18:24.12 | blondie | louie`: your bios. |
| 18:24.21 | louie` | cydork, yea, I got it enabled in my bios |
| 18:24.23 | louie` | wakeonlan |
| 18:24.24 | cydork | blondie: :) |
| 18:24.31 | blondie | no software in linux can work with that, can it? |
| 18:24.33 | jelly | Uh, P2 would have worked with 686. |
| 18:24.44 | louie` | Hope something can |
| 18:24.46 | blondie | louie`: linux won't be running when your PC is on standby... |
| 18:24.52 | blondie | so how do you expect it to work? |
| 18:25.00 | louie` | Start from another computer ofc |
| 18:25.05 | blondie | oh |
| 18:25.09 | louie` | another linux computer... |
| 18:25.10 | louie` | ;) |
| 18:25.20 | cydork | jelly: i said so .. |
| 18:25.23 | blondie | apt-get install wakeonlan. |
| 18:25.30 | blondie | it's really hard to find :D |
| 18:25.30 | louie` | ah ;) |
| 18:25.33 | louie` | xD |
| 18:26.01 | HardDisk_WP | what do i need to do to get my iPod automatically mounted to /media/ipod as the /dev/sd* changes every connect?? |
| 18:26.07 | jelly | cydork: indeed... I missed that part |
| 18:26.09 | mc__ | !patience |
| 18:26.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, patience is a virtue. Please wait here on the channel for answers to appear. That may take some time depending on how much time people need to look up things for you. It probably does not help to repeat your question too soon. |
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| 18:28.28 | louie` | is it "wakeonlan -i ipnumber"? |
| 18:28.46 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, name it 'ipod' |
| 18:28.53 | cydork | louie`: use the man luke |
| 18:28.56 | mc__ | louie`: man wakeonlan |
| 18:29.04 | louie` | :) |
| 18:29.09 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, no...i can get it mounted manually. thats not the problem |
| 18:29.21 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, the problem is: every time i connect it, the device is another |
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| 18:29.36 | HardDisk_WP | one time sda, other sde,sdf etc |
| 18:29.43 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, that's not what i meant. if you're using gnome, it mounts volumes to /media/<label> automatically |
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| 18:30.24 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, or mabye that's udev, i'm not sure |
| 18:30.26 | louie` | oh, thank you |
| 18:30.50 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, aah...i use kde |
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| 18:30.51 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, yay, i heard about udev, but that is much too complex for me |
| 18:31.28 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who can help me a bit in bash scripting? |
| 18:31.41 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, i'm not sure if there is an easier solution, but your last resort would be udev, and i don't think it's that complex once you really want to do it rather than catching some fragments about it |
| 18:31.55 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, just ask your question |
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| 18:32.35 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, i have got around 30 files which i have to convert via ffmpeg |
| 18:32.44 | HardDisk_WP | any way to automatize the convert? |
| 18:32.56 | kromagg | which package does the little "splash screen" that you see when starting gnome belong to? |
| 18:33.00 | HardDisk_WP | i thought about a foreach, but i dont know how this works in bash |
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| 18:33.20 | cydork | HardDisk_WP: for i in 'ls /dir'; do ffmpeg something $i; done :P |
| 18:33.27 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, if you'll be using the same ffmpeg parameters it's pretty easy: 'for file in `ls`; do ffmpeg ... $file; done' |
| 18:33.46 | kromagg | you can use shell expansion, e.g. for file in * |
| 18:33.59 | kromagg | don't forget to quote "$file" either |
| 18:34.01 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, what it makes complex: ffmpeg has two parameters: input file and output file |
| 18:34.05 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, if you don't know how something works, read 'man bash' |
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| 18:34.16 | eegore | I was trying to change the virus protection on my windows boot and it messed up grub. I tried to chroot into the linux boot and I get the following arror when I try to install grub on hda ;/dev/hda: Not found or not a block device. |
| 18:34.21 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, how do i get now only the file name without extension? |
| 18:34.44 | kromagg | HardDisk_WP: ${file%.ext} |
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| 18:35.58 | HardDisk_WP | kromagg, thx |
| 18:36.00 | n0mad | hi, did someone manage to print to pdf from firefox via xprint ? it allways complains about papersize (which is correct) |
| 18:36.29 | kromagg | HardDisk_WP: if you have dash installed, man dash is a bit shorter than man bash |
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| 18:39.08 | tuv | n0mad, try cups-pdf |
| 18:39.25 | tuv | n0mad, or try to change the paper size, sometimes it works for me |
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| 18:40.16 | HardDisk_WP | for i in 'ls /media/ipod/Extern/; do echo ffmpeg -i "$i" -f mp4 -vcodec mpeg4 -maxrate 1000 -b 700 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac-ab 192 -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 ${i%.ext}; gives me convert.sh: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
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| 18:41.12 | HardDisk_WP | (yea, i want the echo -- i first want to see what the cmmand looks like before executing it |
| 18:43.13 | n0mad | tuv: will try cups-pdf. didnt work pretty well in my redhat-box two years ago ... |
| 18:43.26 | tarzeau | sunrunner20: yes? |
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| 18:44.49 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: you have an unclosed inverted comma, you probably want to use backticks , 2 of them |
| 18:44.55 | Horst_Flemming | Hello! |
| 18:45.09 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, whats all of that? |
| 18:45.21 | HardDisk_WP | <-- beginner |
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| 18:45.45 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: for i in 'ls /media/ipod/Extern/; do should be for i in `ls /media/ipod/Extern/`; do , i would have thought |
| 18:45.54 | Horst_Flemming | I'm just wondering how to change the default "solid grid lines" in xfig (debian etch) to the xfig default "dotted grid lines". Any ideas? |
| 18:46.34 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, still same error |
| 18:47.08 | mc__ | HardDisk_WP: why arent you going to buy a good debian book? That would really help you,trust me. |
| 18:47.21 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, that probably won't work as `ls /dir` will return the filename only without the path, so ffmpeg will be unable to find the files unless you do ffmpeg /dir/$file |
| 18:47.27 | HardDisk_WP | mc_, i would if i had money |
| 18:47.40 | petemc | HardDisk_WP: im not sure echoing that command is doing what you want, you can append -x to the shebang line to see what your script is doing |
| 18:48.04 | mc__ | HardDisk_WP: you can read them online for free |
| 18:48.12 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, there is an enormous number of guides for bash on the web for free |
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| 18:48.41 | HardDisk_WP | petemc, i want to echo ther command to see if the command is formatted correctly |
| 18:48.52 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, anyways, paste your current version of the command |
| 18:48.57 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, mc_ didnt know that |
| 18:49.14 | HardDisk_WP | debian:/home/marco# cat convert.sh |
| 18:49.14 | HardDisk_WP | for i in ls /media/ipod/Extern/; do echo ffmpeg -i "/media/ipod/Extern/$i" -f mp4 -vcodec mpeg4 -maxrate 1000 -b 700 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 192 -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 /media/ipod/Extern/${i%.ext}; |
| 18:49.26 | mc__ | HardDisk_WP: here you are http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 18:49.37 | mc__ | HardDisk_WP: next time please stfw |
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| 18:50.07 | petemc | mc__: im not sure how useful repeatedly telling someone to read guides is |
| 18:50.09 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, replace ls /media/ipod/Extern/ with `ls /media/ipod/Extern/` |
| 18:50.19 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, these are not single quotes |
| 18:50.38 | mc__ | petemc: maybe not very useful...,but now i gave him a link,that might help |
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| 18:52.58 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, done, still not better |
| 18:53.00 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, and replace ext at the end with the real extension you want to get rid of |
| 18:53.09 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 18:53.15 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, i can't tell what is wrong when you say 'not better' |
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| 18:53.54 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, its still convert.sh: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 18:54.05 | HardDisk_WP | but all code is stored in line 1 |
| 18:54.23 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, paste it again after corrections |
| 18:54.35 | HardDisk_WP | for i in `ls /media/ipod/Extern/`; do echo ffmpeg -i "/media/ipod/Extern/$i" -f mp4 -vcodec mpeg4 -maxrate 1000 -b 700 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 192 -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 /media/ipod/Extern/${i%.avi}; |
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| 18:56.30 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, enclose what you want to echo in " (double quotes), and lose those around /media/ipod/Extern/$i |
| 18:56.59 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, ok...but still this unexpected EOF |
| 18:57.00 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, are there any spaces in the filenames? |
| 18:57.04 | HardDisk_WP | tuv, yes |
| 18:57.12 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, that's it |
| 18:57.31 | kromagg | wth |
| 18:57.44 | kromagg | don't lose the quotes around /media/ipod/Extern/$i then |
| 18:57.48 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, try for i in `ls ...`; do echo $i; done, and you'll understand |
| 18:58.01 | kromagg | he'll understand that you're giving him bad advice |
| 18:58.02 | tuv | kromagg, that won't help |
| 18:58.21 | tuv | kromagg, the for loop will iterate over partial filenames |
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| 18:58.42 | kromagg | ugh, that's why you use shell expansion |
| 18:58.52 | kromagg | for file in /media/ipod/Extern/* |
| 18:59.19 | tuv | kromagg, or use IFS |
| 18:59.32 | HardDisk_WP | even with only for i in `ls /media/ipod/Extern/`; do echo $i; |
| 18:59.40 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:~$ bash convert.sh |
| 18:59.40 | HardDisk_WP | convert.sh: line 3: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 18:59.49 | kromagg | HardDisk_WP: don't forget "done" |
| 18:59.51 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, don't forget 'done' |
| 19:00.02 | kromagg | HardDisk_WP: look up the format of a for-loop first |
| 19:00.06 | teledyn__ | HardDisk_WP: a while loop might be better for that |
| 19:00.06 | HardDisk_WP | thanx |
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| 19:00.31 | HardDisk_WP | teledyn__, doees it support filenames w/ spaces? |
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| 19:00.48 | teledyn__ | HardDisk_WP: ask in #bash |
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| 19:01.46 | tuv | HardDisk_WP, do what kromagg suggested, for i in /media/ipod/Extern/*. it will take care of the spaces |
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| 19:02.00 | petemc | find /media/ipod/Extern/ -type f | (while read; do ffmpeg -i "$REPLY" .... |
| 19:02.36 | teledyn__ | HardDisk_WP: sorry, i was actually think of a for loop anyway |
| 19:03.15 | kromagg | HardDisk_WP: which extension are you trying to give the new files btw? |
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| 19:03.38 | HardDisk_WP | kromagg, i have a bunch of files w/ avi/mpeg/wmv and new extension mov |
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| 19:05.54 | kromagg | HardDisk_WP: for file in /media/ipod/Extern/*.avi; do echo ffmpeg -i "/media/ipod/Extern/$file" -f mp4 -vcodec mpeg4 -maxrate 1000 -b 700 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 192 -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 /media/ipod/Extern/${file%.avi}.mov; done |
| 19:06.25 | kromagg | uh shit forgot the quotes around the ouput name |
| 19:06.28 | kromagg | but you get the point |
| 19:06.28 | minerale | when I try to remove the mysql-common package it insists on removing exim & mutt, I'm having a hard time figuring out how they are linked |
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| 19:07.06 | n3kl_ | Hi |
| 19:08.10 | sunrunner20 | tarzeau: I need to know how to quote you for the script |
| 19:10.12 | n3kl_ | I tried to install a package and messed it up. Now I want to get the original files. So I removed and purged the package, then deleted the /usr/share/package and the /var/lib/package files. Now I am screwed. How can I get the orgininal files back through apt? |
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| 19:10.49 | erchache | hi |
| 19:10.57 | erchache | i have a rack server and a hard disk fail |
| 19:11.12 | erchache | how i can repair it remotely? now are read only |
| 19:11.38 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 19:11.43 | sunrunner20 | if the disk is dead |
| 19:11.46 | xingu | you didn't test that scenario before go-live? how... optimistic. |
| 19:11.47 | sunrunner20 | you have tok repalce it... |
| 19:11.51 | roe_ | erchache: do you have a long arm? |
| 19:12.17 | erchache | roe_ you are soooooo funny |
| 19:13.07 | kromagg | minerale: with aptitude? |
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| 19:14.35 | n3kl_ | Any Ideas? |
| 19:15.23 | petemc | !+confmiss |
| 19:15.23 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 19:16.13 | sunrunner20 | lol |
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| 19:17.43 | sam__ | hello |
| 19:17.55 | sam__ | what is the difference between ubuntu and debian? |
| 19:18.13 | rsk | sam__: chek the source -:) |
| 19:18.58 | perlmonk | ubuntu is a fork of debian, so it's not debian anymore but it took some advantages of debian like the apt system for example |
| 19:19.57 | cartesian1984 | sam__: Debian is best described as "The All-Purpose, OS of Universal Goodness." Ubuntu is a debian derivative (or is it more of a fork?) that is seeking to create a stable desktop OS that's more easily adapted to by Windows users. |
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| 19:20.33 | inchworm | sam__: also google with 'differences ubuntu debian" |
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| 19:20.43 | rahul | the devil uses a fork |
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| 19:21.25 | rahul | cartesian1984: I think they sync back with debian's updates, so maybe derivative is a better term |
| 19:22.03 | cortex | Hi. I have a little problem getting m$ fonts to work properly. I've installed the mstcorefonts package, and all the fonts are installed and i've added the path to xorg.conf, but they still dont work - anything i've forgotten? |
| 19:22.06 | cartesian1984 | sam__: also there are a few things in there to "protect" end users, such as root privileges being accessed through sudo and, in edgy, not being able to see /etc, /usr and such from the GUI. |
| 19:22.26 | scane | Please help me someone with exim4. How can I make him say ELHO with the right domain name? |
| 19:22.31 | tarzeau | sunrunner20: gurkan@linuks.mine.nu is fine |
| 19:22.43 | capiira | hmmm hi anyone know how to change the startup/boot resolution while the text scrolls? |
| 19:22.51 | n3kl_ | petemc: that did not seem to do the trick... any other ideas? |
| 19:23.02 | petemc | scane: primary_domain, or just set up /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname correctly |
| 19:23.11 | sunrunner20 | k |
| 19:23.15 | scane | petemc thanks, i will check :-) |
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| 19:23.28 | petemc | n3kl_: define didnt work |
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| 19:24.01 | scane | cat /etc/hostname |
| 19:24.09 | pihhan | hey |
| 19:24.17 | n3kl_ | petemc: well, when I ran the command the dpkg mentioned, the files were not reinstalled. I get (Reading database ... 70600 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 19:24.20 | pihhan | anyone using sarge with gnome desktop? |
| 19:24.26 | scane | sorry wroing window....*g .. but i found it |
| 19:24.26 | n3kl_ | and the files to not get installed petemc |
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| 19:24.49 | petemc | scane: dont paste into the channel, exim will use whatever the output of "hostname -f" is, if primary_domain isnt set |
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| 19:25.25 | pihhan | i have problem with bad desktop size detection on sarge |
| 19:25.49 | cartesian1984 | pihhan: do you mean resolution? |
| 19:26.10 | pihhan | cartesian1984, my desktop with icons is limited to some small resolution |
| 19:26.23 | cartesian1984 | pihhan: try pressing ctrl and the plus key on your numpad, if you have a desktop. |
| 19:26.23 | kalila | `seen pharaon |
| 19:26.31 | kalila | when was pharaon last here |
| 19:26.40 | pihhan | cartesian1984, when i try dragging icons over desktop, it shows box in corner of screen |
| 19:26.57 | pihhan | cartesian1984, no, i have changed resolution long ago |
| 19:27.07 | cartesian1984 | pihhan: oh, sorry, I don't know then. |
| 19:27.21 | scane | OK.. thnak god exim4 now identifies correctly... but how can I make him resend all the frozen mails? |
| 19:27.28 | petemc | exim4 -qff |
| 19:27.38 | capiira | no one know ? |
| 19:27.39 | pihhan | cartesian1984, but background od workplace is full screen, but i cannot use icons on whole workspace |
| 19:27.39 | lindenle | I am having troubles with rsyncd can someone tell me what log file I need to look at to try and debug it. The error is code 12 at io.c(420). |
| 19:28.46 | pihhan | lindenle, try debug mode, i would try daemon.log, or /var/log/syslog |
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| 19:29.15 | cortex | dpkg msttcorefonts |
| 19:29.16 | dpkg | well, msttcorefonts is package to install MSFT core TrueType fonts. http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ for font *.EXEs, unpack with cabextract. Install the 'x-ttcidfont-conf' package, and add this FontPath line to your XF86Config-4 file in the "Files" section: 'FontPath "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"'. then 'xset fp rehash' |
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| 19:30.21 | lindenle | pihhan: so run bith client and server in debug mode |
| 19:30.27 | n3kl_ | hoe can I simply unpack a .deb into a directory to view the contents |
| 19:30.40 | scane | petemc, you made my day :-) |
| 19:30.51 | pihhan | n3kl_, dpkg should allow it, check its manpage |
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| 19:33.29 | kaeptn_1 | :-[ |
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| 19:34.52 | n3kl_ | petemc: I was trying to install the wrong package. Thanks! When I tried the correct package it worked fine. I just had to be a user for a minute. |
| 19:35.00 | sid | How many rc bugs total were in sarge when it was released? anyone know offhand? |
| 19:35.05 | sid | roughly/about/estimate |
| 19:35.39 | pihhan | which program is responsible for handling gnome desktop icons? |
| 19:35.43 | pihhan | nautilus? |
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| 19:36.36 | sid | pihhan: I belive so. |
| 19:37.38 | sid | pihhan: gconf-editor /apps/nautilus/desktop |
| 19:37.50 | pihhan | yes |
| 19:38.04 | pihhan | but there is not any resolution or size settings |
| 19:38.16 | pihhan | and i want correct size for desktop :( |
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| 19:38.30 | cartesian1984 | pihhan: yeah, nautilus draws the desktop. |
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| 19:46.11 | S1NGH | why is no one talking here? |
| 19:47.29 | mc__ | tarzeau: are you there? |
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| 19:50.06 | pihhan | how can save a screenshot in gnome? |
| 19:50.29 | RvGaTe | Whenever i look in my dhcp3 leases file, i see computers having a client-hostname... but my entry doesn't show a clinet-hostname, altho when i browse into my workgroup, i can clearly see my hostname and access my shares... |
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| 19:50.48 | cartesian1984 | pihhan: hit the Print Screen button. |
| 19:51.02 | cartesian1984 | pihhan: it's above the insert key if you have a PC-10? keyboard. |
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| 19:51.06 | pihhan | where is that image then? |
| 19:51.19 | cartesian1984 | You're using GNOME? |
| 19:51.30 | die_z | hi everybody, I'm a bit lost while trying to configure my sid machine's locale settings: I have it_IT locales generated, locales -a tells me it_IT is present, but when I launch LANG="it_IT" nanoit shows up in english.. can someone point me to a solution, please? |
| 19:51.32 | pihhan | i know where it is, but not where is anything it captured |
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| 19:52.20 | pihhan | die_z, check if that program has already translation to italian |
| 19:52.34 | pihhan | cartesian1984, yes, i am using GNOME |
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| 19:53.08 | die_z | pihhan: I have it installed on my notebook and it is dislpaying commands in italian |
| 19:53.26 | cartesian1984 | pihhan, then, I forget. I think it opens a snapshot manager that you have to configure. |
| 19:53.34 | pihhan | die_z, not every program is translated |
| 19:53.45 | itchi | !screenshot |
| 19:53.45 | dpkg | it has been said that screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 19:53.47 | pihhan | cartesian1984, print screen does nothing in my gnome |
| 19:54.20 | cartesian1984 | Then....good question! |
| 19:54.21 | inchworm | hark: got etch running now, it's nice, thanks much |
| 19:54.41 | RvGaTe | How can i make sure my dhcp client sends the hostname to the dhcpserver ? |
| 19:54.44 | itchi | RvGaTe: Can you reformulate the stuff? |
| 19:54.52 | die_z | I was wondering if I upgrading by mistake nano and most of other packages while having only C locale and localepurge installed could have deleted some translations.. and how to get those translations back.. can it be? |
| 19:54.55 | RvGaTe | itchi, it should do it automaticly |
| 19:55.08 | itchi | RvGaTe: I read the first msg ;-) |
| 19:55.36 | die_z | pihhan: I think if I have the same nano version on another system translated it sould be here, too |
| 19:55.41 | RvGaTe | itchi, forget the first question :P |
| 19:55.49 | itchi | RvGaTe: Can you pastebin the logoutput (check to leave it one day or so) |
| 19:56.08 | itchi | RvGaTe: I dunno then :-) |
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| 19:56.28 | itchi | RvGaTe: You need a tool like etherreal i think |
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| 19:56.47 | RvGaTe | itchi, for what? im not monitoring my network |
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| 19:57.10 | itchi | RvGaTe: It's now called wireshark |
| 19:57.26 | RvGaTe | itchi, im not monitoring my network |
| 19:57.30 | itchi | RvGaTe: No to see when he ask to get an ip and so |
| 19:57.52 | RvGaTe | itchi, the dhcp client needs to send the hostname to the dhcp server |
| 19:58.00 | RvGaTe | itchi, nothing to do with ethereal |
| 19:58.30 | itchi | RvGaTe: A bit, you see then what's happend, if it been pass or are blocked by an firewall and so |
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| 19:58.41 | pihhan | i think it depends on which dhcp client you are using |
| 19:58.55 | teledyn__ | man i hate it when i run <app> --version and it launches the bloody app |
| 19:59.00 | itchi | RvGaTe: But, yeah, maybe i have completely not understand the stuff :-) |
| 19:59.47 | jeward | I am having these errors from my local etch repository: Err http://debian.prime.chinoc.net etch/main libpng12-dev 1.2.15~beta5-1 |
| 19:59.47 | itchi | teledyn__: Tell the author of it ;-) |
| 19:59.47 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.48 | jeward | Seems to happen on all packages with ~ in the name. |
| 19:59.48 | pihhan | RvGaTe, but what do you expect to get from hostname parameter? |
| 19:59.48 | itchi | jeward: Take another mirror; done |
| 19:59.48 | jeward | Any ideas? |
| 19:59.50 | RvGaTe | pihhan, what doyou mean? |
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| 20:00.02 | jeward | itchi: I need to maintain a local mirror. |
| 20:00.07 | ericP | where do the scripts like the post-install end up? (under /var/, i presume) |
| 20:00.09 | teledyn__ | itchi: skype |
| 20:00.23 | pihhan | <RvGaTe> How can i make sure my dhcp client sends the hostname to the dhcpserver ? |
| 20:00.24 | itchi | teledyn__: That's not for my :-) |
| 20:00.30 | ericP | though perhaps they aren't left around if the package installs nicely |
| 20:00.38 | tarzeau | yours? |
| 20:00.42 | pihhan | RvGaTe, why do you want it? |
| 20:00.48 | tarzeau | mc__: yes kinda |
| 20:00.50 | RvGaTe | pihhan, http://pc.rvgate.nl/test/ the stuff on the left is information from the leases file... as you can see, Workstation 1 is a machine without a hostname |
| 20:00.56 | RvGaTe | pihhan, its a script im working on |
| 20:02.05 | pihhan | hey, you have very nice debian logo there |
| 20:02.06 | mc__ | tarzeau: where to get libnel? |
| 20:02.06 | pihhan | is that svg or something? |
| 20:02.06 | RvGaTe | pihhan, its a gif :P |
| 20:02.15 | mc__ | tarzeau: googled already,but i didnt find it |
| 20:02.36 | pihhan | will your script be open source? |
| 20:02.36 | RvGaTe | pihhan, http://pc.rvgate.nl/test/images/debian.gif |
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| 20:02.39 | tarzeau | mc__: you need cvs |
| 20:02.43 | pihhan | it might be useful :) |
| 20:02.46 | RvGaTe | pihhan, dunno yet, gotta make it working first |
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| 20:02.50 | itchi | teledyn__: hhmm, tilt ;-) |
| 20:02.57 | tarzeau | mc__: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mtp-target/get |
| 20:03.05 | RvGaTe | pihhan, a non-dhcp-leases scan page is http://pc.rvgate.nl/ |
| 20:03.11 | tarzeau | mc__: i've got the rest ready http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/mtp-target/ |
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| 20:04.02 | RvGaTe | pihhan, anyway, how would i send the hostname to the dhcp server, so it can show up correctly on the website |
| 20:04.22 | mc__ | tarzeau: thank you! |
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| 20:05.31 | mc__ | tarzeau: i need subversion not cvs |
| 20:05.33 | jeward | Okay, I have files missing from my etch mirror. |
| 20:05.40 | jeward | Who do I talk to about that? |
| 20:05.56 | RvGaTe | jeward, just talk to everyone |
| 20:06.08 | roe_ | how do I redirect both stout and sterr to the same file? |
| 20:06.13 | pihhan | RvGaTe, #send host-name "andare.fugue.com"; |
| 20:06.19 | pihhan | in /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 20:06.27 | pihhan | RvGaTe, maybe what are you looking for |
| 20:06.27 | jeward | Oay, I have files missing from my etch mirror, how do I fix it? :-) |
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| 20:07.05 | RvGaTe | pihhan, dont have a dhclient.conf :S |
| 20:07.05 | tarzeau | mc__: ah whatever, i hate both |
| 20:07.12 | tarzeau | hey abrotman |
| 20:07.20 | RvGaTe | pihhan, its in /etc/dhcp3 |
| 20:07.23 | RvGaTe | ;) |
| 20:07.27 | pihhan | RvGaTe, which client do you have? |
| 20:07.29 | jeward | What would the official etch sources.list look like? I'll see if it's just my mirror. |
| 20:07.44 | mc__ | tarzeau: me too |
| 20:07.58 | abrotman | tarzeau: hi |
| 20:08.01 | mc__ | tarzeau: what are ya using,darcs? |
| 20:08.07 | tarzeau | mc__: i make tarballs |
| 20:08.18 | RvGaTe | pihhan, http://pc.rvgate.nl/test/ worked ! :D |
| 20:08.19 | tarzeau | mc__: and preferably run it through lyma |
| 20:08.19 | fulldisclosure | Hi, I have a problem while compiling gnome-bluetooth with svn in debian etch. |
| 20:08.20 | tarzeau | lzma |
| 20:08.44 | fulldisclosure | Did someone here compile gnomebluetooth? |
| 20:09.05 | pihhan | RvGaTe, man, i want it! :) |
| 20:09.08 | jeward | Can someone give me good etch mirror lines for sources.list please? |
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| 20:09.12 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: why? |
| 20:09.18 | RvGaTe | pihhan, you're not the only one :P |
| 20:09.33 | jasta | I recently performed a dist-upgrade in etch and now it seems many GTK2 applications abort with the following message: |
| 20:09.42 | jasta | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x08bbec38 *** |
| 20:09.45 | jasta | is this a known issue? |
| 20:09.48 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, Can I paste 3 lines? |
| 20:09.49 | pihhan | RvGaTe, what is it written in, |
| 20:10.00 | RvGaTe | pihhan, just for the fun... do you have a GPRS enabled phone? go visit that page with your phone |
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| 20:10.04 | RvGaTe | ;) |
| 20:10.13 | abrotman | !paster |
| 20:10.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:10.29 | jasta | I tested a GTK2 hello world but I could not duplicate so I do not believe it is actually in the GTK libraries. I was going to valgrind and try to get more information but I wanted to check in first. |
| 20:10.31 | pihhan | RvGaTe, i have grps enabled phone, but not web enabled :) |
| 20:10.54 | RvGaTe | pihhan, shame... this is what i'm aiming for: |
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| 20:11.52 | fulldisclosure | http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 20:11.56 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, That... |
| 20:12.04 | abrotman | i need a paste number |
| 20:12.09 | pihhan | you want it for checking online status from mobile phone? |
| 20:12.34 | RvGaTe | pihhan, on the original website (pc.rvgate.nl) you can wakeup a pc thats offline using WOL... but those are all fixed mac's and ip's... and it only works in the browser.... the new one (pc.rvgate.nl/test) will scan the leases, check if they're online/offline, if its offline, it will be bootable using WOL... and as an extra, it will work on your gprs phone aswell, so you can startup you're pc on the way to home.. :D |
| 20:12.38 | fulldisclosure | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4936 |
| 20:12.40 | khaleel5000 | hi everyone are there package for Realplayer (for ETCH ) |
| 20:12.49 | blondie | no |
| 20:12.54 | blondie | realplayer isn't free |
| 20:13.00 | RvGaTe | pihhan, its written in php |
| 20:13.03 | blondie | (not to mention it's awful) |
| 20:13.12 | pihhan | RvGaTe, where did you get that nice icons? |
| 20:13.19 | RvGaTe | pihhan, google |
| 20:13.24 | welly | hi all.. i've done an apt-get remove on a number of packages however when I do dpkg --get-selections, it still lists the packages, although says deinstall next to them |
| 20:13.27 | khaleel5000 | blondie: so any 'Free alternative ' to playing .rm files? |
| 20:13.32 | welly | i'm basically trying to remove apache2 completely |
| 20:13.34 | rsk | khaleel5000: mplayer |
| 20:13.55 | khaleel5000 | rsk: thanks |
| 20:14.22 | pihhan | welly, use aptitude to deselect its installation |
| 20:14.34 | welly | pihhan, is that a command line tool? |
| 20:14.54 | pihhan | welly, both command line and cursed interface |
| 20:15.07 | welly | ok.. am running debian off a vps |
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| 20:15.22 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, did you see it? |
| 20:15.55 | abrotman | !find btctl etch |
| 20:17.07 | welly | hmm |
| 20:18.34 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: this is on etch ? |
| 20:18.42 | fulldisclosure | Yes |
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| 20:20.00 | itchi | RvGaTe: Lame guy haha |
| 20:20.10 | RvGaTe | itchi, what? |
| 20:20.22 | itchi | RvGaTe: Can you not wake it up ;-) |
| 20:20.31 | itchi | RvGaTe: Just push :-) |
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| 20:20.41 | itchi | RvGaTe: But, yeah, nice feature |
| 20:20.48 | RvGaTe | itchi, dude, i cant push the power button when im in my bed ! :P |
| 20:21.02 | itchi | RvGaTe: hehe |
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| 20:21.14 | itchi | RvGaTe: Move, a bit of activity is nice ;-) |
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| 20:21.35 | RvGaTe | itchi, ill get tired if i stretch my arm to far :S |
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| 20:21.46 | itchi | RvGaTe: But sure, can be are useful when your not at home too |
| 20:22.44 | eguzkia | hello someone can help to use ireda on my notebook |
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| 20:23.02 | Elad | someone can tell me why /etc/motd changed every startup? (debian) |
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| 20:23.21 | itchi | Elad: Look to /msg dpkg irda |
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| 20:23.44 | rhys | DEBIAN...WHATS THE TESTING VERSION CALLED? |
| 20:23.46 | rhys | oops |
| 20:23.47 | rhys | sorry. |
| 20:23.59 | Coweater | etch is the current testing |
| 20:24.13 | rhys | what kernel does it use? |
| 20:24.24 | Elad | Linux debian 2.6.18-3-486 #1 Sun Dec 10 18:57:11 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:24.32 | rhys | fook me. |
| 20:24.33 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: i'd file a bug .. i can't find anything like dh_install: python-libbtctl missing files (usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/btctl*.so.*), aborting |
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| 20:24.54 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, I dont undestand you. |
| 20:25.05 | rhys | abrotman, long time no see |
| 20:25.08 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:25.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this? |
| 20:25.18 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, I used svn for compiling the library I need for compiling and use gnomebluetooth. |
| 20:25.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/293696 |
| 20:25.19 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: file a bug on the package .. that it doesn't build from source |
| 20:25.21 | Elad | do u know how can I fix it? |
| 20:25.26 | fulldisclosure | ok |
| 20:25.28 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: oh .. ti's from svn ? |
| 20:25.32 | fulldisclosure | yes |
| 20:25.34 | abrotman | not from the debian source? |
| 20:25.39 | abrotman | then ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:25.40 | fulldisclosure | no debian source |
| 20:25.46 | fulldisclosure | ok, sorry abrotman |
| 20:25.51 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: wait .. which source? |
| 20:26.02 | fulldisclosure | debian |
| 20:26.02 | abrotman | gnome svn or debian source package ? |
| 20:26.10 | fulldisclosure | devel$ svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-bluetooth/gnome-bluetooth |
| 20:26.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Hey. Mind taking a look at this for me? http://pastebin.ca/293696 |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | !find btctl sid |
| 20:26.45 | Elad | itchi: what about itchi ? |
| 20:26.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'btctl' returned no results. |
| 20:26.58 | abrotman | corrupt package it looks like |
| 20:27.23 | itchi | Elad: What about you?? |
| 20:27.24 | fulldisclosure | ok abrotman |
| 20:27.41 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: not you |
| 20:27.42 | Elad | 22:23 <itchi> Elad: Look to /msg dpkg irda |
| 20:27.45 | abrotman | that was for Dark_Apostrophe |
| 20:27.46 | Elad | :S |
| 20:27.49 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, ok. |
| 20:27.55 | abrotman | !maint gnome-bluetooth |
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| 20:28.01 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, then I should send a bug? |
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| 20:28.11 | rhys | does anyone here have a 16bit pcmcia card and yenta pcmcia controller? |
| 20:28.12 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: what package should it build ? |
| 20:28.26 | fulldisclosure | gnime-bluetooth |
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| 20:28.30 | itchi | Elad: Yeah, you typed an typo :-) that factoid not give many info, just type '/msg dpkg irda' without the both '' |
| 20:28.34 | fulldisclosure | no more |
| 20:28.45 | fulldisclosure | I need Libbtctl for gnome-bluetooth |
| 20:28.48 | itchi | Elad: Try now in an cli apt-cache search irda, there's some stuff you want |
| 20:29.03 | fulldisclosure | that library and the -dev is what I need for compile and use g-bluetooth |
| 20:29.10 | Elad | /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh: uname -snrvm > /var/run/motd --> that's the problem... thanks :) |
| 20:29.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | At the risk of sounding like a broken record: |
| 20:29.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this? |
| 20:29.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/293696 |
| 20:29.33 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: i just told you |
| 20:29.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: You did? |
| 20:29.39 | itchi | Elad: What's your native lanugage? Maybe you want to go to #debian-mylanguage |
| 20:29.47 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-get clean .. get it again |
| 20:29.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Alright |
| 20:30.09 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: does that package exist for debian >? |
| 20:30.15 | fulldisclosure | no |
| 20:30.22 | fulldisclosure | That's why I am compiling it. |
| 20:30.27 | abrotman | i meant the libbctl |
| 20:30.48 | fulldisclosure | Not in etch. |
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| 20:30.48 | abrotman | (alternately you could try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org) |
| 20:30.48 | fulldisclosure | I dont know in sid. |
| 20:30.51 | fulldisclosure | I am there. |
| 20:31.01 | itchi | !irda |
| 20:31.01 | fulldisclosure | But channel seems to be sleeped. |
| 20:31.01 | dpkg | irda is, like, (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. |
| 20:31.10 | karsten | fulldisclosure: Is it libbctl or libctl? |
| 20:31.12 | itchi | Elad: Got it ^ ? |
| 20:31.13 | eguzkia | someone can help me to configure irda? |
| 20:31.15 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: they'll come back eventually :) |
| 20:31.27 | abrotman | karsten: see his build error |
| 20:31.34 | fulldisclosure | devel$ svn co svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-bluetooth/libbtctl |
| 20:31.38 | fulldisclosure | Is libbtctl |
| 20:31.39 | Elad | yeah, thanks |
| 20:31.40 | fulldisclosure | :-) |
| 20:31.40 | Elad | :) |
| 20:31.52 | eguzkia | this is very frustrant |
| 20:31.54 | karsten | fulldisclosure: Do you know that that source _is_ compileable? |
| 20:32.08 | fulldisclosure | karsten, Is what I am trying to compile. |
| 20:32.13 | fulldisclosure | karsten, But it fails. |
| 20:32.15 | karsten | Ah. Got it. |
| 20:32.21 | karsten | bluetooth control. |
| 20:32.21 | itchi | ow ow ow, was talking to the wrong person hahahahah |
| 20:32.30 | itchi | oeps |
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| 20:33.08 | karsten | fulldisclosure: Sucks to be you ;-) |
| 20:33.18 | itchi | ba, if someone see elad back, give him beer of my part :-p |
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| 20:34.07 | karsten | eguzkia: What are you trying to do with irda? |
| 20:34.11 | karsten | !wednesday |
| 20:34.11 | dpkg | hmm... wednesday is see thursday |
| 20:34.39 | eguzkia | karsten: i need only to recive/transfer file from my mobile phone |
| 20:34.41 | blondie | !thursday |
| 20:34.41 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 20:34.48 | fulldisclosure | karsten, I dont understand that. |
| 20:34.53 | fulldisclosure | I hope is good for me. :-D |
| 20:34.59 | fulldisclosure | "sucks to be me" |
| 20:35.22 | blondie | fulldisclosure: it's not. |
| 20:35.22 | eguzkia | karsten: i think i have installed all that i need but something doesen' work! |
| 20:35.29 | karsten | eguzkia: Generally, it's a matter of modprobing the IRDA module, then treating the resulting device like a serial port. |
| 20:35.40 | fulldisclosure | blondie, what it means? |
| 20:35.43 | karsten | fulldisclosure: That would be terribly optimistic of you. |
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| 20:36.21 | eguzkia | karsten: i think i hva installed all the necessary how can i try to transfer data? |
| 20:36.37 | eguzkia | karsten: i hope here someone use irda! |
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| 20:36.55 | blondie | fulldisclosure: "it would be very bad to be you" |
| 20:36.56 | karsten | eguzkia: You need something to talk to your phone. What's the local-side software? There's a suite I'm aware of ... |
| 20:37.01 | itchi | heh, i not have irda on my brand new laptop |
| 20:37.07 | Sabrejack | Can anyone recommend where a normal geek can go to learn about debian packages that isn't the official debian package docs? (specifically, I need to package non-binary files that need no make / make install.. and the deb docs are less than helpful.) |
| 20:37.11 | karsten | eguzkia: I believe you can simply cat the device to see if it and the phone are talking at all. |
| 20:37.21 | Sabrejack | Google searches have turned up nothing useful. |
| 20:37.25 | karsten | Sabrejack: debian new maintainers guide. |
| 20:37.32 | Sabrejack | that isn't the official debian docs.. |
| 20:37.58 | karsten | Sabrejack: Those are the docs you want. If you have questions, ask here or #debian-devel. |
| 20:38.03 | Sabrejack | gracias |
| 20:38.04 | abrotman | Sabrejack: perhaps ask #debian-mentors |
| 20:38.06 | cartesian1984 | Sabrejack: hang on, there are some good ones I saw a while back. |
| 20:38.09 | karsten | fulldisclosure: Don't /privmsg |
| 20:38.21 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 20:38.21 | dpkg | well, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 20:38.33 | Sabrejack | =) thanks |
| 20:38.55 | eguzkia | some one can meke me an example to transfer file with irda? |
| 20:39.17 | karsten | fulldisclosure: Answering your question (why did I write that): you're trying to install something that's apparently not much packaged for Debian. That basically means you'll have to scrounge around to find the parts you need, read docs, etc. |
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| 20:40.52 | fulldisclosure | karsten, no, dont care |
| 20:40.56 | fulldisclosure | http://crysol.inf-cr.uclm.es/node/389 |
| 20:41.01 | itchi | Is irda still used? |
| 20:41.08 | fulldisclosure | I am following that mini how to. |
| 20:41.12 | karsten | itchi: Yes. |
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| 20:41.14 | fulldisclosure | So it should be easier. |
| 20:41.21 | blondie | irda-- |
| 20:41.22 | fulldisclosure | karsten, but yes, sucks to be me :-) |
| 20:41.27 | itchi | karsten: My old lapy have it, not the new :-( |
| 20:41.28 | cartesian1984 | Sabrejack: http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
| 20:41.29 | Zesturian | I have an ATI AGP card at the present moment, which powers two 17" monitors, I've just splashed out on a 23" monitor, and I'm wondering how to introduce a new monitor into the mix, I'm tempted by a nvidea PCI card to support the high resolutions, I want to have a desktop on each (so not xinerama). Is this possible? |
| 20:41.44 | Sabrejack | cartesian1984: thanks! |
| 20:42.54 | Sabrejack | hmm.. I saw this exact article on a few sites already.. oh well. I appreciate the effort though. |
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| 20:43.24 | karsten | Zesturian: Does the video card have dual outputs? |
| 20:43.39 | karsten | Zesturian: Either xinerama or seperate desktops should be possible. |
| 20:44.37 | eguzkia | please someone can help to configure irda? |
| 20:44.48 | Zesturian | Yep the current card is dual. Will mixing an ATI card and Nvidea cause any likely conflicts? |
| 20:44.51 | karsten | itchi: bitpom |
| 20:44.56 | karsten | itchi: er: bitpim |
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| 20:45.43 | karsten | itchi: ... it's a utility that should let you talk to your phone at various protocol levels. There is other cell-phone synch / management software as well. |
| 20:45.51 | dmc_ | Just installed a fresh copy of Debian, everything went well except my max resolution is 800x640. Anyone know how i can adjust my display settings to 1024? |
| 20:46.03 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 20:46.03 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 20:47.28 | aronofsky | hi |
| 20:48.11 | dmc_ | Just installed a fresh copy of Debian, everything went well except my max resolution is 800x640. Anyone know how i can adjust my display settings to 1024? |
| 20:48.31 | dort | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:48.32 | itchi | karsten: I think you talk to the wrong person about it, there was somebody others interesting about it |
| 20:48.36 | snowbird | go to control cente |
| 20:49.05 | itchi | eguzkia: That was for you i think ^ |
| 20:49.06 | dmc_ | snowbird: already tried that, im assuming i may have to change the driver for my card, i selected the default ATI driver |
| 20:49.07 | karsten | itchi: Wups... |
| 20:49.16 | itchi | karsten: :-p :-) |
| 20:49.17 | dort | dmc that was for you -- if you have an older version of debian it would be (again as root) dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:49.34 | dmc_ | dort: my apologies, let me try that, thank u |
| 20:49.34 | karsten | eguzkia: see above to itchi . Look at bitpim and/or other cell phone management / interactivity apps. |
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| 20:50.20 | aronofsky | I got a problem, I got a Geforce MX 440 and for now I was goin ok with experimental 96XX driver, but today I upgrade to 9746 and it appears that my card isn't support by the driver, so i was wondering what was the options for me in the future, will the old driver still be available, because actually its not from apt ? |
| 20:50.35 | fr3ak | please see, i get this err when i try to update after etch installation this, http://infest.pastebin.co.uk/7854 |
| 20:51.07 | DeadFishMan | aronofsky: Try the NVIDIA legacy driver |
| 20:51.46 | DeadFishMan | aronofsky: I believe that this card won´t be supported by the current binary driver anymore |
| 20:51.46 | welly | Hello all, I'm trying to do a fairly fresh install of apache 2.2.3 on my debian based vps.. I understand that apache 2.2.3 is available in the unstable tree. is it a matter of changing deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian stable main non-free contrib to deb http://mirror.bytemark.co.uk/debian unstable main non-free contrib? |
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| 20:52.35 | aronofsky | DeadFishMan, Legacy is 87XX, it doesn't support 3d rendering so i cant use it ... |
| 20:54.07 | itchi | welly: See /msg dpkg mixing stable and unstable |
| 20:54.19 | welly | itchi, ok thank you! |
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| 20:55.29 | itchi | welly: nope :-p |
| 20:55.34 | dort | fr3ak i think you need to import some official debian release key for etch (or somesuch if not that exactly), but i don't know how to do it |
| 20:55.49 | aronofsky | DeadFishMan, no sorry legacy is even 71XX so its really unusable |
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| 20:56.11 | fr3ak | dort, thanks..let me figure that out |
| 20:56.18 | dort | fre3ak, you can simply ignore the error, and apt should work fine (you just won't have any verification of the packages you're downloading) |
| 20:56.23 | pmfp | just wanted to let you guys know that this rare bug affects debian too: |
| 20:56.24 | pmfp | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/48029 |
| 20:57.38 | fr3ak | dort, its working nevermind |
| 20:57.50 | itchi | pmfp: See #ati?? |
| 20:58.01 | itchi | pmfp: That's not debian related for me |
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| 20:58.12 | pmfp | itchi: okie |
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| 20:59.31 | dort | good deal -- i'd recommend using aptitude (to get in the habit -- it writes a logfile in /var/log/aptitude, and i don't think apt-get will) -- obviously for "update" it makes no difference which you use, |
| 20:59.52 | itchi | dort: It write to dpkg's log too |
| 21:00.15 | dort | thx itchi, i didn't know that |
| 21:00.30 | cureless | dort: stay with aptitude |
| 21:00.48 | itchi | dort: Yeah sure, aptitude rocks! :-) |
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| 21:01.06 | fr3ak | itchi, I get this err "W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 21:01.12 | dort | i have no intention of ever using apt-get for anything except "source" (which isn't there in the command line invocation of aptitude) |
| 21:01.22 | itchi | fr3ak: See /topic? |
| 21:01.37 | fr3ak | heh? |
| 21:02.04 | itchi | fr3ak: | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | |
| 21:02.17 | itchi | fr3ak: Just type /topic |
| 21:02.21 | dort | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.27 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me , I got a Geforce MX 440 and for now I was goin ok with experimental 96XX driver, but today I upgrade to 9746 and it appears that my card isn't supported anymore by the driver, so i was wondering what I can do now , will the old driver still be available, because now its not anymore from apt so im kinda stuck ?? |
| 21:02.52 | itchi | fr3ak: It's noted in the topic of this channel |
| 21:03.01 | fr3ak | hmm |
| 21:03.07 | dort | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.27 | dort | sorry folks -- pasted in a space -- then repeated my error w/the up arrow |
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| 21:03.30 | itchi | dort: A space to many, type '/msg dpkg etch-key' without the both '' |
| 21:03.47 | dort | itchi, thx got it |
| 21:03.53 | itchi | !beer dort |
| 21:04.22 | dort | but thx :-] |
| 21:04.41 | abrotman | aronofsky: ask #nvidia |
| 21:04.43 | fr3ak | itchi, how to do i fix? i don't find much support here lol |
| 21:04.57 | dort | fr3ak, you have to follow the instructions |
| 21:04.58 | fr3ak | itchi, I typed, what bot says |
| 21:05.04 | dort | if you had, they'd have led you to: |
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| 21:05.15 | dort | dort etch key |
| 21:05.15 | dort | dpkg # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:05.16 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: welcome to the wonderful world of closed-source drivers. |
| 21:05.21 | itchi | !no public key |
| 21:05.21 | fr3ak | dort, its no use |
| 21:05.21 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 21:05.44 | fr3ak | debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version. |
| 21:05.45 | itchi | aronofsky: Have you a VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) ? |
| 21:05.47 | dort | though i'd do |
| 21:05.50 | sigger | Used debian for almost 2 years now and never quite knew for sure: if I'm running stable, its bad to temporarily change sources.list so I can get unstable stuff, right? I want lsdvd, but it will change libc6 and I find that to be the beginning of the end usually |
| 21:05.55 | welly | i'm trying to find the apache 2.2.3 package but that apt-get.org site doens't seem to list it |
| 21:05.57 | dort | aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:05.57 | fr3ak | so I've to remove and reinstal? |
| 21:06.18 | dort | it's completely up to you |
| 21:06.34 | dort | i don't verify the contents of my packages every time i update |
| 21:06.47 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, im a user of beryl , what card would recommend me instaead of nvidia ones ? |
| 21:06.53 | dort | if aptitude complains, i figure i'll get it working in a few more months or whatever |
| 21:07.03 | dort | if you want to verify your downloads before you install them |
| 21:07.13 | dort | go for it -- it tells you basically what to do |
| 21:07.31 | aronofsky | itchi, VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) , why ? |
| 21:07.41 | cartesian1984 | Speaking of cards other than nvidias, I was wondering, are the XGI cards well supported? |
| 21:08.13 | itchi | aronofsky: Just to ask, to see if it's the same stuff as on another comp |
| 21:08.19 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: intel. They are the only more-or-less new opensoucre supported chips out there. Or older radeons. |
| 21:08.20 | dort | sigger -- that sounds like a really bad choice (though you might always get lucky) |
| 21:08.56 | sigger | dort: yeah thats kinda what I figured. ah well, now I know for sure. |
| 21:09.01 | sigger | thanks |
| 21:09.06 | fr3ak | dort, still i get the same error. |
| 21:09.14 | fr3ak | bah |
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| 21:09.33 | itchi | pumpkin0: I have a Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) but are not yet so happy about the (poor) performance these have, compared in XP |
| 21:09.41 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, because if I get it right ATI cards sucks too, fglrx doesn't support aiglx yet ... |
| 21:09.42 | dort | it shouldn't be hard to figure out by just running some gpgv command manually |
| 21:09.43 | sigger | ooh, so while I'm here: anyone know a util for getting the list of the contents of a DVD for debian stable? |
| 21:09.51 | sigger | from command line |
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| 21:10.00 | dort | fr3ak: man gpgv |
| 21:10.12 | alexcamilo | Has anyone gotten bootsplash to work on debina ppc? |
| 21:10.16 | fr3ak | dort, nvm |
| 21:10.25 | itchi | pumpkin0: I guess i should so somethings to get that 3D working like a charm or so? It's the default config here about the gfx |
| 21:10.31 | itchi | s/so/do/ |
| 21:10.58 | itchi | alexcamilo: Have you patched the kernel and recompile the kernel? |
| 21:11.21 | pumpkin0 | itchi: depends. So the 3D already done in hardware ? |
| 21:11.24 | alexcamilo | ive recompiled once but not on this comp |
| 21:11.38 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: right. newer ATIs do not work. |
| 21:11.55 | itchi | pumpkin0: I have 3D but it's very poor. (I not like to tell it, but in XP this gfx is soooo amazing) |
| 21:11.59 | alexcamilo | i remember downloading the source via apt-get and runing some commands. |
| 21:12.19 | itchi | alexcamilo: See /msg dpkg bootsplash |
| 21:12.31 | pumpkin0 | itchi: glxinfo, xorg.conf, xorg.0.log in a pastebin please ... |
| 21:12.35 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, you can still use it with aiglx and 'ati' driver right ? |
| 21:12.54 | alexcamilo | thankyou |
| 21:13.01 | itchi | pumpkin0: I go to do it ;-) |
| 21:13.11 | welly | would it be wrong to install apache 2.2.3 from source as opposed to pissing about trying to install it from unstable? |
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| 21:13.31 | welly | i'm trying to work out what will be the least of a headache |
| 21:13.43 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: no. ATI does not publish any information about newer ATI-chips. So the opensoucre driver does not support them. |
| 21:14.18 | cureless | welly: the least headache is the one that keeps your security updates up to date. |
| 21:14.46 | welly | cureless, you're probably right |
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| 21:15.09 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, I got the impression that nvidia cards remains the best option, new cards are well supported by contructor driver and in the future we can count the "nouveau" driver ... |
| 21:15.15 | sid | What is a game that just got an update in unstable? anyone know offhand. version 0.3 maybe? or something like that |
| 21:15.19 | sya | what is "lost+found" dir for? |
| 21:15.33 | sid | !lost+found |
| 21:15.33 | dpkg | somebody said lost+found was created by the mklost+found program, or where recovered information goes after repairing a disk (bits of files usually) |
| 21:15.50 | sya | do i even need that? |
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| 21:16.30 | itchi | pumpkin0: glxinfo: http://pastebin.ca/293738 ,xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/293739 , Xorg.log http://pastebin.ca/293740 |
| 21:16.44 | sid | sya: You can delete it, it will just be re-created though. |
| 21:17.05 | sid | tone down the ocd, it's an empty directory...you system isn't going to overload from it. |
| 21:17.19 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: ... it is a lose-lose situation. No matter what you buy, something will not work. With intel it is fast games, with ATI it is linux (completly) and nvidia starts to dropp support for older cards (no more updates) |
| 21:17.33 | sya | i see |
| 21:17.56 | sid | The best cards to buy are Intel right now. |
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| 21:18.05 | sid | imho |
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| 21:18.15 | sid | And I bet any xorg developer would agree. |
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| 21:19.00 | pumpkin0 | itchi: are you sure that is your real xorg-conf ? |
| 21:19.10 | blackelf | how to write own simple shell? |
| 21:19.11 | brett | is there a problem with updating bzip2? |
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| 21:19.27 | brett | in unstable? |
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| 21:19.35 | rahul | !unstable |
| 21:19.35 | dpkg | well, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 21:19.38 | itchi | pumpkin0: Euuhm, have i missed the comp |
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| 21:19.53 | blackelf | 1. it executes an action - like write to log or check system time 2. it either terminates after, or ... 3. forwards all to a bash shell |
| 21:19.58 | rahul | brett: check bugs.debian.org for these kinds of things |
| 21:20.06 | itchi | pumpkin0: Yes |
| 21:20.11 | itchi | pumpkin0: It's been right |
| 21:20.16 | brett | is there an irc channel for unstable? |
| 21:20.25 | rahul | brett: not really |
| 21:20.32 | itchi | pumpkin0: At least, i think. Is there somethings wrong in it? |
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| 21:20.41 | cartesian1984 | sid: I'm hoping for a PCI intel grafikcard soon. |
| 21:20.43 | rahul | brett: unstable is for people who don't need the help |
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| 21:21.27 | pumpkin0 | itchi: the driver complains about the busID. But the busID is commented out in the xorg-conf... |
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| 21:22.16 | brett | hrm it's weird though; apt just stalls out when updating bzip2 |
| 21:22.24 | itchi | pumpkin0: hhhmm, i have comented these out because a day or two back, i had the feeling that the dri is on the wrong bus |
| 21:22.25 | aronofsky | pumpkin0,sid , is there any agp or pci intel video cards ? |
| 21:22.30 | rahul | brett: when downloading it? |
| 21:22.33 | brett | yea |
| 21:22.41 | itchi | pumpkin0: Gone uncomment it |
| 21:23.01 | rahul | brett: well, that's not a debian problem, probably... :) |
| 21:23.08 | rahul | brett: tried a different mirror maybe? |
| 21:23.14 | brett | yeah I'll try that |
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| 21:24.50 | itchi | pumpkin0: Back |
| 21:24.53 | Tallu | Hey umm, this may sound like a newbie question but I've never really needed to communicate using the nullmodem cable.. how would I go about establishing the connection or getting the output? |
| 21:24.59 | pumpkin0 | itchi: uhm ... i would comment the busID out. And the lines HorizSync and VertRefresh. And fix the fontpaths. |
| 21:25.14 | pumpkin0 | Tallu: google for pppd |
| 21:25.36 | Tallu | cheers, will do |
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| 21:26.27 | matt2 | hello, how do i change console keyboard ? |
| 21:26.41 | matt2 | CLI |
| 21:27.06 | Tallu | pppd: The remote system is required to authenticate itself pppd: but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so. |
| 21:27.18 | welly | itchi, i read that document you suggested.. and to be honest, it doesn't really mean much to me. I tried doing an apt-get install -t unstable -u apache2 ut that still installs apache 2.0 |
| 21:27.29 | Tallu | nevermind, man pages will surely help :) |
| 21:27.32 | itchi | pumpkin0: Okay, gona first do that, euhm, but i dunno what i should add for the resfresh rates, it's near the default config + some person stuff |
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| 21:28.28 | itchi | welly: I dunno, i not mix releases |
| 21:28.57 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, it seems 96xx will now be maintain by nvidia as legacy driver, any chance this 96xx legacy will replace current one in tedsting ? |
| 21:29.01 | itchi | pumpkin0: A bit weird, about these font troubles, it's the default config |
| 21:29.33 | pumpkin0 | itchi: it is bug created by the xorg <-> xfree change. The fonts have moved. |
| 21:29.44 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: no idea ... |
| 21:29.45 | welly | itchi, ok no worries.. i think i'm just going to install it from source |
| 21:30.32 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, ok, and for now , is there anyway to get old release of a package from apt ? |
| 21:30.32 | itchi | pumpkin0: hhhm, but it's an Etch daily install :-/ |
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| 21:31.32 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: you can always fetch the stable-package from www.debian.org. |
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| 21:32.40 | pumpkin0 | itchi: ? Okaaay. I have seen about 1 person / day in this channel with that setup. All said they just distupgraded. So i asumed it was the xfree-xorg change. |
| 21:32.55 | itchi | pumpkin0: ;-) |
| 21:33.22 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, actually the package I need is the previous one from experimental ( 9631 ) , 9XXX was never released elsewhere than experimental, but now current in exp is 97XX , so is there any way to get the pevious package ? |
| 21:33.24 | fr3ak | how do i sysc my time, its still in 2005 :( |
| 21:33.25 | itchi | pumpkin0: I had need to get the etch installer for this brand new laptop |
| 21:34.11 | itchi | fr3ak: See /msg dpkg ntp |
| 21:34.13 | fr3ak | date* |
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| 21:34.51 | pumpkin0 | itchi: and your xorg-log basicly says: all is well. The 128MB V-RAM is a bit much (IMHO) but should not affect the performance. There is a kernel DRM-module for intel... but that should not be responsible for performance loss... |
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| 21:35.41 | sid | aronofsky: There are none I know of you can buy. But it looks like they're coming to market soon. |
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| 21:36.50 | bajacondor | hi all, can anyone tell me if I can use the udbhid and usbkbd modules at the same time for different keyboards? |
| 21:37.52 | itchi | pumpkin0: I have set all the stuff right, but same performance |
| 21:38.09 | itchi | pumpkin0: This gfx card is realy amazing in XP :-/ |
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| 21:38.34 | pumpkin0 | itchi: do you really need the XAANoOffscreenPixmaps-option ? It slows down things a little bit. |
| 21:38.58 | Thms | Anyone knows a good proxy server to install on my debian ? |
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| 21:39.38 | itchi | pumpkin0: That was for the beryl test, but fails (duo my poor 3D??); gona #comment it |
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| 21:40.07 | aronofsky | sid, im kinda stuck now with my nvidia driver problem , the package I need is the previous one from experimental ( 9631 ) , 9XXX was never released elsewhere than experimental, but now current in exp is 97XX , so is there any way to get the pevious package ? |
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| 21:41.01 | pumpkin0 | itchi: it is bug in mesa (interaction compiz/mesa) but it should be fixed by now. |
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| 21:41.25 | pumpkin0 | Thms: proxy for http, ftp, email, ssh, ... ? |
| 21:41.36 | Thms | pumpkin0: htto |
| 21:41.38 | Thms | http* |
| 21:42.08 | pumpkin0 | Thms: filtering proxy to get rid of the ads or proxy to minimise transfer ? |
| 21:42.18 | protocol1 | is there a way to keep myself from typing in my wireless key and settings everytime I reboot? |
| 21:42.35 | Thms | pumpkin0: no http proxy for visiting websites with the IP of my server |
| 21:42.47 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: WEP or WPA ? |
| 21:42.51 | protocol1 | WEP |
| 21:43.03 | protocol1 | Im sure there is a config file somewhere |
| 21:43.29 | pumpkin0 | Thms: privoxy (disable the ad-filtering if you don't want it) |
| 21:43.49 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: the WEP-key is stored inside /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:43.51 | aronofsky | protocol1, /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:44.02 | protocol1 | ok |
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| 21:44.03 | Thms | pumpkin0: what is ad-filtering ? |
| 21:44.08 | protocol1 | I will check it out |
| 21:44.11 | blondie | filtering of ads. |
| 21:44.26 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: and cracking WEP is easy. Too easy to even bother to set it up. |
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| 21:44.55 | protocol1 | well I can set my wifi router to use WPA |
| 21:45.31 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: that is better. wpasupplicant is the package... |
| 21:45.43 | protocol1 | but It not like my neighbors are the brightest of people either |
| 21:45.46 | aronofsky | protocol1, the fact is not that you can , but that you should ... |
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| 21:46.10 | protocol1 | but yeah I understand what your saying |
| 21:46.28 | protocol1 | anything with better security is recommended |
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| 21:46.59 | protocol1 | but I know my neighbors... |
| 21:47.00 | aronofsky | protocol1, I actually get what you're sayin too ... think we got the same neighbors ... |
| 21:47.09 | protocol1 | haha |
| 21:47.10 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: there are tools that autocrack every WEP-WLAN in range in under 5 mins/WLAN. I used one of these to go online in cities there i could not find a open WLAN ... |
| 21:47.35 | CHodapp | anyone use DSSI? |
| 21:47.49 | protocol1 | but the risk is marginal and should revert to WPA |
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| 21:48.21 | protocol1 | in any case I will let it go because of mylocation |
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| 21:48.40 | protocol1 | my location is very odd...its near a highway |
| 21:48.44 | pumpkin0 | CHodapp: probably yes. what is DSSI ? |
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| 21:49.11 | geo-rge | Desperate Social Security Income? |
| 21:49.30 | rahul | dynamic server-side includes? |
| 21:49.47 | phogg | Digital Storage Systems Interconnect? |
| 21:49.51 | protocol1 | I can also load tools that allow me to see the traffic on my router |
| 21:49.52 | protocol1 | so |
| 21:49.57 | CHodapp | "DSSI (pronounced "dizzy") is an API for audio processing plugins, particularly useful for software synthesis plugins with user interfaces." |
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| 21:50.27 | protocol1 | I can at least see whats happening |
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| 21:51.31 | berkes | does anyone know how I can find out what user a process runs as? I need to know the user for ldap. |
| 21:51.36 | pumpkin0 | !tell CHodapp about anyone |
| 21:51.44 | aronofsky | berkes, ps aux |
| 21:51.55 | geo-rge | or maybe look at /proc |
| 21:52.05 | protocol1 | ok I am at interfaces |
| 21:52.11 | geo-rge | that's what ps does... |
| 21:52.17 | protocol1 | can I put any lines in there to help me out? |
| 21:52.24 | berkes | aronofsky: geo-rge, heh, it runs as root, I saw that with ps, but wouldn't beleive it :) |
| 21:52.29 | CHodapp | pumpkin0: my real question is a bit long, I'm not going to waste my time posting it if it's a waste of space and time. |
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| 21:52.36 | protocol1 | for WEP and why type etc? |
| 21:52.42 | protocol1 | what* |
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| 21:52.56 | protocol1 | can someone just give me an example |
| 21:53.05 | protocol1 | so I can use it in there with my settings |
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| 21:53.18 | geo-rge | there's examples in man 5 interfaces |
| 21:53.26 | protocol1 | ahh ok |
| 21:53.31 | dareth | XFce is pretty nice. How do you get the icons on the quick launch bar? I can put the task, but can not find the application icons. |
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| 21:53.46 | geo-rge | dunno if wireless stuff is in there... but it will tell you how to do exceptional things |
| 21:53.47 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 21:54.11 | bmsleight | Evening all |
| 21:54.50 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: iface ethx inet dhcp <newline> wireless-essid XXXXXXXXXXX <newline> wireless-key XXXXXXXX |
| 21:54.56 | geo-rge | CHodapp: in that case... howbout putting the question and collecting information you gather on a web page |
| 21:55.03 | phated | dareth: Use random icons that you can find in /usr/share/* - just poke about until you find something you like. |
| 21:55.12 | aronofsky | can anyone tell me where I can get old versions of a specific package, actually looking for a package that only appears in experimental, the one just before the current one ? |
| 21:55.23 | itchi | pumpkin0: He still complain about that (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 21:55.46 | itchi | pumpkin0: But the config is right, i have also add an section for the second output as test, but same |
| 21:55.47 | pumpkin0 | itchi: That is strange but hey... it works. |
| 21:55.58 | itchi | pumpkin0: yeah, just poor 3D :-/ |
| 21:56.24 | pumpkin0 | itchi: how poor ? Use the shader-effects or everything slow ? |
| 21:56.28 | bmsleight | I have raised a bug report [http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404403] I perhaps should have also raised this bug again package matchbox. Whats the least annoying way to raise this bug again matchbox as well as mozplugger ? |
| 21:56.44 | itchi | pumpkin0: Every nice game suck to many here :-( |
| 21:57.15 | itchi | pumpkin0: What's that shader-effects ? |
| 21:57.27 | Thms | what are the package which does like w3m ? |
| 21:57.30 | aronofsky | any way to get older version of a package ? |
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| 21:57.38 | itchi | Thms: dpkg -S foo |
| 21:57.43 | itchi | Thms: See /msg dpkg search |
| 21:57.44 | asg | aronofsky: /msg dpkg sdn (it doesn't cover experimental though) |
| 21:58.14 | protocol1 | pumpkin0, thank you sir |
| 21:58.19 | CHodapp | geo-rge: I've found I have a higher chance if I just ask who uses it, because in this case it's likely true that if they do use it they'll be able to easily test something out for me. |
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| 21:58.46 | itchi | aronofsky: See /msg dpkg pool |
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| 21:59.24 | pumpkin0 | itchi: shader make the gfx-card do the calculations about the geometry and color in a dynamic way. It unloads the CPU but badly written shader usually kill the performance on any card. shader-support in testing is a bit poor and causes some compiz-plugins to freze the system. |
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| 22:00.01 | pumpkin0 | protocol1: no problem. But get WPA anyway. That needs the keys in a different file... |
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| 22:01.15 | craigevil | Has anyone installed Gyach enhanced? |
| 22:01.25 | itchi | pumpkin0: Is that enabled default? |
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| 22:01.40 | itchi | pumpkin0: have a duo here, so fast :-) |
| 22:01.45 | pumpkin0 | itchi: in current etch: yes. |
| 22:02.06 | itchi | pumpkin0: hhhm, i need to disable that maybe, or at least, just for test to see |
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| 22:02.27 | pumpkin0 | itchi: if it is about shader: a recent radeon is about 200x faster then a Athlon64 X2... |
| 22:02.32 | geo-rge | CHodapp: that would be asking to ask tho, and besides I disagree. if you just ask or post the url and let everyone read what you have so far, that will help MUCH more than not giving any information initially... what you will end up with if you do the web page thing is something that will help the next guy with the same or similar problem |
| 22:02.33 | itchi | !shader |
| 22:02.34 | dpkg | i guess shader is a moron |
| 22:02.37 | itchi | haha |
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| 22:02.55 | itchi | not yet useful dpkg :-p |
| 22:03.04 | pumpkin0 | !lastseen shader |
| 22:03.09 | aronofsky | itchi, dont get it , just read about pool but what is the point ? |
| 22:03.10 | asg | itchi: shader was a person here some time ago |
| 22:03.23 | geo-rge | if you do the web page thing, it's not like you have to expend typing effort... |
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| 22:03.34 | MustangMatt | Hey Guys, I'm having an issue with pecl on sarge, but it's got to be simple. When I try to install some packages such as xdebug-beta I get an error: phpize failed but no other details. phpize works fine on my system as far as I can tell. |
| 22:03.35 | itchi | aronofsky: You want an old package back? |
| 22:03.49 | CHodapp | geo-rge: people see a link and ignore it |
| 22:03.53 | aronofsky | itchi, yes , in a way |
| 22:03.56 | asg | itchi: he wants one out of experimental |
| 22:03.58 | itchi | I guess, i can trust dpkg :-) |
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| 22:04.21 | CHodapp | geo-rge: and there's also a good chance my problem is a fluke and not a common one |
| 22:04.23 | geo-rge | then come up with a short version of the question... don't just say "hey look at this", instead... |
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| 22:04.40 | itchi | aronofsky: It's all what i can tell about, not yet have experience in that btw |
| 22:04.52 | CHodapp | I tried, you criticized it. |
| 22:04.52 | joeamined | hi folks |
| 22:05.07 | asg | aronofsky: experimental packages are not supported here. If you are using them, you are on your own. Contact the maintainer and ask. |
| 22:05.07 | joeamined | i'm using linux as a desktop at home |
| 22:05.15 | joeamined | i actually have debian etch |
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| 22:05.24 | joeamined | and i'm thinking of moving to ubuntu |
| 22:05.28 | geo-rge | say "my fluegelhorn doesn't fluegel any more, could someone help? I have collected some info that might help and fill out details here: http://luegel.horn/whyme" |
| 22:05.29 | itchi | pumpkin0: I'm not a gamer, i thank god for that, but like to show how cooool it is in Debian, like it's an laptop, it's easy to show to people |
| 22:05.32 | aronofsky | asg, ok I will , thanks |
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| 22:05.46 | Sven_vB | hi |
| 22:05.49 | joeamined | what do you think i should do ? |
| 22:05.51 | asg | joeamined: your ubuntu questions can be answered in #ubuntu |
| 22:06.05 | joeamined | no it's a debian question |
| 22:06.12 | asg | no it isn't |
| 22:06.12 | joeamined | i have debian |
| 22:06.27 | joeamined | but i wonder if i have to move to ubuntu |
| 22:06.32 | bmsleight | I have raised a bug report [http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404403] I perhaps should have also raised this bug again package matchbox. Whats the least annoying way to raise this bug against matchbox as well as mozplugger ? |
| 22:06.38 | diskus | joeamined: you don't have to but you can |
| 22:06.41 | itchi | joeamined: Why want you to move? |
| 22:06.42 | CHodapp | geo-rge: how about I just ask my questions how I see fit, and if it doesn't involve many lines extraneous garbage, stop worrying about it? |
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| 22:07.12 | joeamined | itchi : well for example, it's localized better |
| 22:07.16 | unseensoul | i'm trying to set the WEP, but i obtain an error. "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument." how can i solve this? |
| 22:07.24 | phogg | Is there a way to mount a smb/cifs share subdirectory directly? Currently I can mount e.g. //foo/bar on /mnt/bar and then ln -s /mnt/bar/baz /mnt/baz, but I would rather mount //foo/bar/baz directly to /mnt/baz (presuming I create it as a directory first). |
| 22:07.35 | joeamined | i'm using a french localisation |
| 22:07.38 | itchi | joeamined: ug, how so? |
| 22:08.00 | geo-rge | CHodapp: I don't deal with channel policy, so I cannot answer that question. |
| 22:08.04 | Sven_vB | please help me find a name for my tool. it lists all files that require special access permissions. it shall help admins to find files that do not comply with the access policy. |
| 22:08.06 | diskus | joeamined: if you just need desktop then go and try ubuntu, after that make conclusion which is better for you |
| 22:08.19 | pickcoder | joeamined: my dedibox was setup in French and I have to reconfigure it for English |
| 22:08.22 | asg | diskus: if he just needed a desktop, he could use Windows |
| 22:08.27 | CHodapp | geo-rge: eh, whatever. |
| 22:08.30 | pumpkin0 | itchi: => http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o17CU50ihA |
| 22:08.34 | diskus | asg: well windows is not free :P |
| 22:08.37 | CHodapp | geo-rge: at the moment it's a moot point because the issue is fixed. |
| 22:08.42 | asg | diskus: and neither is ubuntu |
| 22:08.46 | diskus | asg: it's free |
| 22:08.49 | itchi | joeamined: Bonjour, comment va tu? Je comprend vraiment pas pourquoi tu veux passer a Ubuntu qui et de moin bonne qualité, personalement, je pense que tu fait un movais choix, il y a aussi #debian-fr si tu veut |
| 22:08.49 | CHodapp | Ubuntu isn't free? |
| 22:08.52 | asg | diskus: no, it isn't |
| 22:08.56 | diskus | asg: why not? |
| 22:09.03 | asg | diskus: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 22:09.06 | pumpkin0 | itchi: that is done with shader. |
| 22:09.10 | geo-rge | probably because it contains non-free parts? |
| 22:09.11 | diskus | asg: ofcourse if you compare to debian then not |
| 22:09.12 | joeamined | ah itchi tu parles français ! :) |
| 22:09.12 | phogg | diskus: non-free kernel modules, for a start |
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| 22:09.33 | asg | diskus: of course I compare it to Debian, that's why I'm in here and not in #ubuntu |
| 22:09.35 | geo-rge | so they don't separate those out |
| 22:09.46 | itchi | pumpkin0: ggggr, to geeek, i want that :-) |
| 22:09.48 | diskus | asg: well I use both and don't have any problem with ubuntu or debian |
| 22:10.18 | diskus | and free for me is that I don't have to pay money |
| 22:10.21 | geo-rge | diskus: so is there a problem other than those and wrt debian you are having? |
| 22:10.54 | diskus | geo-rge: I don't have any problems |
| 22:10.58 | CHodapp | So you meant that Ubuntu isn't free-as-in-speech, not as in beer? |
| 22:11.08 | joeamined | iasg : keep cool i'm just asking |
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| 22:11.17 | geo-rge | I guess he only cares about beer |
| 22:11.25 | asg | joeamined: and you got answers |
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| 22:11.32 | unseensoul | i'm trying to set the WEP, but i obtain an error. "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument." how can i solve this? |
| 22:11.36 | diskus | I'm just person who thinks that everything can't be done 100% free |
| 22:11.37 | asg | geo-rge: one can easily drown on beer though |
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| 22:11.46 | diskus | !offtopic |
| 22:11.50 | itchi | joeamined: Try /msg ChanServ list *debian-fr* |
| 22:11.56 | geo-rge | diskus: rms may be a ranting fool sometimes, but he does have good points |
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| 22:12.14 | CHodapp | rms has a lot of predictions that would suck if they were true and often become true. |
| 22:12.27 | joeamined | itchi just tell me why you prefer debian please |
| 22:12.40 | pumpkin0 | unseensoul: get a driver that supports WEP. Or use a noncrackable encrypting like WPA that works with (allmost) cards and independed of the driver) |
| 22:12.43 | geo-rge | joeamined: to what? |
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| 22:12.46 | itchi | joeamined: Because ubuntu is bassed on debian, debian is the _best_ |
| 22:13.01 | resistance | can i use apt to install eclipse into etch? |
| 22:13.02 | CHodapp | not just the best, but the _best_? |
| 22:13.07 | joeamined | geo-rge : to ubuntu |
| 22:13.12 | pumpkin0 | joeamined: more stable, more futur-prove approche. |
| 22:13.29 | diskus | ubuntu is desktop, stable enough, more polished out of box installation :P |
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| 22:13.40 | itchi | joeamined: Many distro's are bassed on Debian, that's not for nothing |
| 22:13.47 | diskus | for desktop only, I wouldn't install it as server |
| 22:13.48 | CHodapp | sometimes you want less polish because you're punching holes in the surface anyway. |
| 22:13.50 | joeamined | yes that's true |
| 22:13.54 | unseensoul | pumpkin0 i'm using ndiswrapper |
| 22:14.05 | pickcoder | joeamined: the only way for you to decide is to install both of them and learn them both |
| 22:14.07 | diskus | CHodapp: that's why I use ubuntu on laptop and debian on other machines |
| 22:14.18 | itchi | joeamined: Please not PM me, we can talk here, so people can follow and give additional comments |
| 22:14.19 | pickcoder | asking someones opinion in a biased channel is a worthless venture |
| 22:14.25 | geo-rge | joeamined: for one, ubuntu has a staff working on their packages, which are different than debian packages... debian has about a thousand volunteer developers |
| 22:14.28 | joeamined | itchi : ok |
| 22:14.43 | joeamined | yes george go on |
| 22:14.44 | CHodapp | pickcoder: sometimes you just want to get opinions and pick out the facts, as rare as they might be |
| 22:14.45 | pumpkin0 | unseensoul: forget WEP, go WPA. |
| 22:14.53 | enouf | !policy |
| 22:14.53 | dpkg | [policy] available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimpliment it, poorly. |
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| 22:15.17 | pickcoder | CHodapp: how do you know, for sure, if they are facts if you haven't learned the facts yourself? |
| 22:15.18 | unseensoul | pumpkin0 how can i set WPA? |
| 22:15.36 | itchi | joeamined: Ubuntu is bassed on the testing and unstable release of Debian, if you realy need some newer packages, wait a little bit, Etch gona become stable, or use Etch, if you are already aware of the /testing/ branch |
| 22:15.52 | geo-rge | joeamined: -maybe- the only thing that is the same between ubuntu and debian is the package management stuff... (a) everything else could be different and (b) they could even have altered the package management |
| 22:15.57 | pumpkin0 | unseensoul: start by installing wpasupplicant. and figure out if your WLAN-AP/Router supports it. |
| 22:15.57 | MustangMatt | I guess the etch december deadline is going to slide? |
| 22:16.06 | CHodapp | pickcoder: the idea is that you evaluate the opinions yourself with some research. |
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| 22:16.11 | CHodapp | or try to. |
| 22:16.11 | pickcoder | FreeBSD may be the best O/S in the world but I haven't installed it and administrated it so I will never make comparisons |
| 22:16.18 | grummund | Hi, anyone here run log analyser for bind queries? (lire perhaps?) |
| 22:16.29 | pumpkin0 | MustangMatt: there was no deadline. There was a W.I.R.-based guess |
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| 22:16.46 | exobyte | in CVS, a branch applies to an entire module, not just one file, right? Also, branches can have branches themselves, right? |
| 22:17.12 | unseensoul | pumpkin0 thank you :) |
| 22:17.32 | enouf | !dfsg |
| 22:17.32 | dpkg | i heard dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 22:17.34 | geo-rge | probably to an entire project |
| 22:17.36 | itchi | diskus: I not see what's wrong with Debian on a desktop haha |
| 22:17.47 | CHodapp | I have Debian on a desktop... |
| 22:17.54 | diskus | itchi: nothing |
| 22:18.07 | pumpkin0 | itchi: the berly-video was a ubunut going crasy. |
| 22:18.21 | diskus | itchi: but it doesn't have livecd, super easy/fast installation :P |
| 22:18.34 | itchi | !live cd |
| 22:18.34 | dpkg | live cd is probably http://live.debian.net/ |
| 22:18.41 | pumpkin0 | diskus: you install only once but use it every day ... |
| 22:18.44 | itchi | but un-officially at this stage |
| 22:18.45 | enouf | !grml |
| 22:18.45 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. |
| 22:19.01 | diskus | it's not default debian |
| 22:19.21 | joeamined | well i heard somewhere |
| 22:19.31 | joeamined | that ubuntu's community is more active |
| 22:19.34 | diskus | anyway I like debian more, it's just that I have to tell people sometimes to install ubuntu |
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| 22:19.49 | pumpkin0 | diskus: default debian comes with 16 CDs. How would put that lot on a liveCD ? |
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| 22:20.01 | CHodapp | you don't need it all. |
| 22:20.05 | diskus | pumpkin0: by making first cd live and with less software |
| 22:20.31 | Thms | pumpkin0: is there another way for my proxy ? I can't make privoxy works :( |
| 22:20.38 | pstickne | joeamined, if you like ubuntu, go for it O.o |
| 22:20.48 | pstickne | joeamined, the installer was the first thing to piss me off royaly. |
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| 22:21.00 | joeamined | no no ! that's not the subject |
| 22:21.07 | joeamined | i'm discussing with you |
| 22:21.12 | joeamined | keep calm |
| 22:21.23 | joeamined | i didn"t say ubuntu is better |
| 22:21.27 | joeamined | i'm a newby |
| 22:21.28 | pumpkin0 | Thms: did you enable the support for remote hosts (privoxy limits itself to browser from the loacl host in default config) |
| 22:21.43 | joeamined | and i want to gather information about the two os |
| 22:21.46 | itchi | joeamined: Debian is many many many more active, look to companies, what run these?? Ubuntu or Debian?? :-) |
| 22:21.50 | Thms | pumpkin0: no, thanks |
| 22:21.51 | h3sp4wn | sidux should be a good live cd shortly with those type features (100% pure sid also) |
| 22:21.57 | geo-rge | joeamined: ok, what exactly do you want to do? are you installing? |
| 22:22.02 | pstickne | joeamined, I didn't eithre. I said. "if you like ubuntu" -- I don't care what you use. I actually used ubuntu to restore my partition table yesterday. |
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| 22:22.17 | joeamined | i'm using debian etch |
| 22:22.18 | CHodapp | you know, pepsi really sucks, coke is way better |
| 22:22.22 | pstickne | joeamined, two "distributions" |
| 22:22.24 | geo-rge | joeamined: that;s one thing you can do to do bottom-line comparison, is to compare and try |
| 22:22.41 | itchi | joeamined: Come you to Belgium on of these days? I can show you some Debian stuff :-) |
| 22:22.53 | joeamined | itchi :) |
| 22:22.55 | pickcoder | CHodapp: hey! my wife works for Pepsi... <g> |
| 22:22.58 | diskus | itchi: companies run redhat :P |
| 22:23.05 | itchi | diskus: What is redhat? |
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| 22:23.15 | itchi | joeamined: Surious, trust us |
| 22:23.15 | geo-rge | joeamined: just so you know... there is information at www.debian.org |
| 22:23.19 | pstickne | diskus, they also run heaps of Windows-boxen O.o |
| 22:23.19 | diskus | at least those I know which run Linux use RedHat |
| 22:23.27 | jelly-home | diskus: I beg to differ |
| 22:23.37 | pickcoder | I have a server running ES 4.4 right now |
| 22:23.38 | diskus | it all depends ofcourse |
| 22:23.41 | Thms | pumpkin0: do you know the line ? |
| 22:23.46 | pickcoder | you have to deal with the evil and the good |
| 22:23.50 | geo-rge | diskus: you're welcome to run redhat or fedora or whatever it is |
| 22:24.03 | itchi | diskus: I had it about Ubuntu or Debian servers, not of the rest ;-) |
| 22:24.13 | jelly-home | diskus: we run debian on some 30-ish machines, use RH licenses only for those that need hardware support (read: are connected to SAN) |
| 22:24.24 | diskus | geo-rge: I like debian and been using it from 1.3 version, I'm just realist and accept that some people run something other too |
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| 22:24.41 | asg | jelly-home: our Debian machines are SAN connected |
| 22:24.44 | geo-rge | that's been true for years... |
| 22:25.15 | geo-rge | why do you need a redhat license to connect to san? |
| 22:25.18 | jelly-home | asg: sure, some of ours are too, but try and get support for that. |
| 22:25.18 | geo-rge | brbv |
| 22:25.28 | pumpkin0 | Thms: /etc/privoxy/config => 4. ACCESS CONTROL AND SECURITY |
| 22:25.36 | asg | jelly-home: that's why they pay me |
| 22:26.10 | Thms | pumpkin0: I found but now I can connect but it is slow (google don't display and it is a 100mbps server) |
| 22:26.21 | pickcoder | asg: the fact that Debian is stable and it never breaks is just a side benefit, eh? |
| 22:26.32 | jelly-home | asg: eh. do you have failover and/or load-balancing running? |
| 22:26.34 | asg | pickcoder: yeah, funny thing that |
| 22:26.46 | geo-rge | pickcoder: never is a pretty strong word :) |
| 22:26.47 | asg | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:26.54 | pumpkin0 | Thms: ... restart the privoxy. And disable ad filtering (4.2 in the same file) |
| 22:27.09 | gb | asg: they pay you? |
| 22:27.10 | pickcoder | geo-rge: I've had a Debian box running for almost 8 years now |
| 22:27.21 | jelly-home | pickcoder: Debian is very nice in that never breaking way. RHEL upgrades, well, suck. |
| 22:27.23 | pickcoder | not continuously, of course..I've had power outages |
| 22:27.25 | blackelf | pickcoder: neat |
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| 22:27.31 | asg | gb: the place I work for does, yes. |
| 22:27.45 | gb | asg: gee you're lucky :) |
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| 22:28.01 | pickcoder | jelly-home: I haven't used the RHEL upgrades since I got the box running |
| 22:28.07 | Thms | pumpkin0: that works now but on whatismyip that detect my home IP, not my server ip |
| 22:28.09 | asg | gb: I have marketable skills apparently |
| 22:28.17 | pickcoder | I'm afraid to touch it now.. it's been stable for a while |
| 22:28.33 | gb | asg: They been smoking too much? |
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| 22:28.45 | jelly-home | pickcoder: yep, that's generally the rule. I'm not afraid to do apt-get upgrade on a sarge install though. |
| 22:28.53 | asg | gb: anything is possible |
| 22:28.58 | pickcoder | jelly-home: I am right now... the 2.6.8 kernel image problem |
| 22:29.17 | pumpkin0 | Thms: are you sure ? did you clean the browser cache and setup the proxy ? |
| 22:29.28 | jelly-home | pickcoder: ah, we use custom kernels. ;-) |
| 22:29.29 | Thms | pumpkin0: no that was that sorry i am idiot |
| 22:30.01 | jelly-home | pickcoder: been doing that since woody was unbearably slow with kernel updates. |
| 22:30.04 | pickcoder | jelly-home: also dist-upgrade to etch was blowing up and removing the kernel and initrd without replacing it |
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| 22:30.25 | pumpkin0 | Thms: most people do not think about the cache. Try the ad-filter some time, it really works well. |
| 22:30.36 | mc__ | jelly-home: aptitude upgrade would be better |
| 22:30.51 | Thms | okay pumpkin0 thanks |
| 22:31.10 | jelly-home | mc__: should be the same on a stable install. |
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| 22:31.52 | jelly-home | mc__: in fact something is very wrong if apt-get upgrade and aptitude upgrade doesn't do the same thing on stable. |
| 22:31.52 | blondie | apt-get > aptitude |
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| 22:32.11 | enouf | jelly-home: pickcoder funny .. some 6 months or more ago .. the 1st time I tried aptitude it tried that remove the running kernel thing .. IIRC |
| 22:32.29 | pickcoder | enouf: hrm |
| 22:32.41 | pickcoder | enouf: I will try to get a snapshot of the failures |
| 22:32.49 | pickcoder | if I can reproduce it I'll post a bug report |
| 22:32.50 | enouf | pickcoder: I was on Stable then too . |
| 22:32.56 | mc__ | jelly-home: i think aptitude is smarter in resoling dependencies |
| 22:33.00 | pickcoder | that's a major hang-up |
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| 22:33.12 | jelly-home | mc__: sometimes it's too smart. |
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| 22:33.29 | cureless | jelly-home: aptitude learns from what you've done with it, apt-get doesn't. |
| 22:33.38 | mc__ | jelly-home: thats true,but that cases are rare |
| 22:33.44 | linux_jones | so i have this mp3 player that connects with usb, when i connect it the mp3 player connects it and shows theres a connection, i lsusb and it says |
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| 22:33.59 | mc__ | and aptitude install recommended packackes per default afaik |
| 22:34.08 | jelly-home | cureless: I don't care, I have to keep track of installed stuff on production machines anyway. |
| 22:34.12 | enouf | pickcoder: but I also sem to recall a -s in the apt-get command .. which is why I caught it and stopped it .. maybe the system messages warned me .. hrmm .. bad memory. I think i made a post on usenet about it .. lemmee see If I can find it |
| 22:34.17 | linux_jones | Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0781:7420 SanDisk Corp. but dmesg says its not claimed by any active drivers, any help? |
| 22:34.41 | asg | linux_jones: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 22:34.41 | cureless | jelly-home: in the extreme case of that you would only use dpkg then. |
| 22:35.14 | mc__ | i love debian(sorry,but i had to say that) |
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| 22:37.31 | asg | !tell NghtLght_ about away |
| 22:37.39 | jelly-home | cureless: eh, then you lose your argument for using aptitude instead of apt-get. I usually get by with installing selected packages with apt-get _then_ do a dist-upgrade and a couple of -f installs until everything gets installed. ;-) |
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| 22:38.37 | jelly-home | cureless: I'd love if aptitude worked in all cases, but sometimes I can't figure out what it's going to do, so I prefer apt-get. |
| 22:38.42 | cureless | jelly-home: my point was that if you need tight control dpkg is what you need, if you're willing to go to apt-get why not aptitude? It keeps logs for you, it helps out, in uninstalls things you don't need. |
| 22:38.46 | geo-rge | jelly-home: that sounds reasonable and workable... but you know the original purpose of apt-get, right? |
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| 22:39.22 | jelly-home | geo-rge: as an example for libapt-pkg, you mean? I don't. ;-) |
| 22:39.39 | cureless | jelly-home: it would seem to me to be more helpful than apt-get if you need to keep track of stuff. It's not like it doesn't tell you what it's doing. And in complex cases it even gives you options (something apt-get doesn't) |
| 22:39.47 | geo-rge | yeah, it was a test of the libs |
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| 22:39.55 | cureless | s/\)/ do\)/ |
| 22:40.11 | jelly-home | cureless: oh, that's ok for me. But for automation I prefer apt-get. |
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| 22:40.30 | geo-rge | cureless: btw, grammar is correct either way |
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| 22:40.48 | itchi | enouf: hhhm, nice stuf the grml |
| 22:40.50 | enouf | pickcoder: found it |
| 22:41.10 | jelly-home | itchi: innit? It has zsh and screen, therefore it rules! :-) |
| 22:41.11 | cureless | geo-rge: hmm, my default is to doubt myself. |
| 22:41.23 | rahul | dpkg-reconfigure cureless |
| 22:41.49 | geo-rge | cureless: that default is also that of Alan Holdsworth |
| 22:42.03 | pickcoder | enouf: link? |
| 22:42.04 | jelly-home | itchi: and it doesn't have much non-Debian stuff, which is a big plus. |
| 22:42.08 | enouf | pickcoder: Guess my recollection is a bit off .. it was when I was trying to get the latest "hdparm" (from testing/unstable) while still running pure Sarge only |
| 22:42.17 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:42.19 | enouf | pickcoder: read all about it http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/16943b6a065101d6/90a0b4024d45f5e5?lnk=st&q=remov++kernel+author%3Awillie+wonka&rnum=1&hl=en |
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| 22:42.41 | cureless | didn't somebody famous (and hopefully intelligent) that doubt is what makes us human.... or whas that also true for most animals..... nvm |
| 22:42.57 | cureless | s/\)/\) say/ |
| 22:43.17 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah, i have add it on my list :-) |
| 22:43.30 | enouf | pickcoder: The killer line is "The following packages will be REMOVED: base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6-686 kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686" <-- that was the only installed kernel at that time .. hehe |
| 22:43.49 | pickcoder | hm |
| 22:43.53 | cureless | ... or maybe it was something to do with robots not being human enough 'cause they can't doubt... |
| 22:44.17 | jelly-home | If you had a doubting robot, would it be human? |
| 22:44.20 | pickcoder | most of the recent ones I've seen have been initrd-tools and kernel-image-2.6.8-3* |
| 22:44.23 | enouf | pickcoder: that was my first attemot at pinning and apt_preferences, and apt.conf as you can see :-) |
| 22:44.26 | geo-rge | enouf: wonder if kernel-image-2.6-686 depended upon base-config |
| 22:44.30 | rahul | jelly-home: I doubt it... :P |
| 22:44.30 | Tallu | I wonder what could be keeping the com-ports in use? I'm trying to connect to a sparc with cu -l ttyS0 -s 9600 and I get this: cu: open (/dev/ttyS0): Permission denied cu: ttyS0: Line in use |
| 22:44.37 | enouf | s/attemot/attempt |
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| 22:44.51 | rahul | apt-get install doubt |
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| 22:45.07 | asg | Tallu: fuser or lsof should be able to tell you what has that device open |
| 22:45.09 | rahul | computers can doubt, tho |
| 22:45.19 | geo-rge | !info doubt |
| 22:45.32 | cureless | how do computers doubt? |
| 22:45.33 | h2k | hi, I'm having troubles with iceweasel font size's - they are all too small, including toolbars and web pages themselves |
| 22:45.36 | rahul | there are logics that you can use to evaluate possibly incorrect information |
| 22:45.42 | asg | cureless: are you sure? (y/n) |
| 22:45.44 | rahul | it was used on deep space one |
| 22:45.46 | enouf | geo-rge: dunno .. maybe .. but I did mess with non-standard config settings at that time .. i need to reread and relive the moment .. hehe |
| 22:45.46 | geo-rge | <dpkg> Package 'doubt' does not exist. |
| 22:45.52 | cureless | asg: lol |
| 22:45.59 | rahul | asg: heh |
| 22:45.59 | jelly-home | geo-rge: or does it??? |
| 22:46.04 | cureless | rahul: so you're saying they "calculate" dobut... |
| 22:46.08 | rahul | cureless: yes |
| 22:46.08 | geo-rge | doubtful :P |
| 22:46.21 | Tallu | asg: well, according to lsof, nothing.. |
| 22:46.22 | rahul | cureless: it needed to evaluate which sensors to trust and which not |
| 22:46.31 | asg | Tallu: did you run lsof as root? |
| 22:46.35 | Tallu | yes |
| 22:46.38 | asg | hmmmm |
| 22:46.49 | rahul | cureless: various sensors could have various failures and it needed to conduct missions without manual intervention |
| 22:46.55 | cureless | rahul: some would argue that that's not really doubting, but now we're venturing into OT territory |
| 22:46.57 | asg | Tallu: is anything connected to it? a getty perhaps? |
| 22:47.01 | jelly-home | Tallu: getty? minicom? a stray lockfile in /var/lock? |
| 22:47.19 | pickcoder | cureless: we calculate when we doubt things |
| 22:47.20 | rahul | cureless: well, it could figure out when it should trust a sensor or not. shrug :) |
| 22:47.24 | Tallu | no getty, no minicom, checked locks as well |
| 22:47.42 | jelly-home | !Tallu++ |
| 22:48.01 | cureless | pickcoder: we calculate to get rid of our doubts, not to create doubts. |
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| 22:48.09 | pickcoder | cureless: that depends on focus |
| 22:48.11 | linux_jones | so what do i do when dpkg usb-storage dosent work? |
| 22:48.22 | Tallu | jelly-home: uhm, huh, if i dont increment by one? :P |
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| 22:49.01 | asg | linux_jones: what debian version? What kernel? Also, post lspci -v and a full dmesg to a pastebin. |
| 22:49.05 | jelly-home | Tallu: um, that was supposed to give you a point with the bot (if it's keeping score), not an instruction for yourself. |
| 22:49.16 | Tallu | jelly-home: hahah, okay |
| 22:49.25 | jelly-home | !karma me |
| 22:49.25 | dpkg | me has neutral karma |
| 22:49.32 | jelly-home | !karma Tallu |
| 22:49.32 | dpkg | tallu has karma of 1 |
| 22:49.37 | jelly-home | there |
| 22:49.37 | enouf | geo-rge: pickcoder see my recollection is "quite bad" .. I did have 2 kernels installed at that time (2.6.8-2-386, and 2.6.8-3-686), yet was using/running -3-686 at that time .. it still wanted to remove the "running" kernel .. others in that thread came up with some pretty good ideas .. reading is fun with barbie :-) |
| 22:49.46 | Tallu | jelly-home: aww, that's nice. Thank you. :) |
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| 22:50.19 | linux_jones | sarge and kernel2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 22:50.23 | pickcoder | enouf: I'll have to setup Sarge on another box at home and try a dist-upgrade to see what happpens |
| 22:50.52 | enouf | pickcoder: hrm .. maybe I will to .. I can do an install here somewhere .. :-) |
| 22:52.28 | pickcoder | enouf: a user can in here last week after trying to install something and it wanted to remove the kernel and initrd-tools.. it was relying upon a specific libc6 package version that it wanted to replace.. unfortunately, that libc6 package relied upon a different kernel |
| 22:52.33 | pickcoder | s/can/came |
| 22:52.48 | pickcoder | that's my gander, anyway |
| 22:52.59 | pickcoder | dunno if I have logging on |
| 22:53.14 | pickcoder | nope.. |
| 22:53.20 | pickcoder | I don't remember the package name |
| 22:53.47 | linux_jones | asg, http://pastebin.ca/293828 |
| 22:54.24 | cureless | pickcoder: I remember that |
| 22:54.41 | cureless | pickcoder: let me check through my logs |
| 22:54.41 | gb | eww you let users play with the libs on your system? |
| 22:56.24 | sid | http://money.cnn.com/blogs/legalpad/index.html?section=money_topstories |
| 22:56.41 | enouf | pickcoder: oh .. right .. my reason for even mentioning this is I've seen more than 1 user lately come in and complain about simialr issues |
| 22:57.48 | enouf | pickcoder: and as you can see .. from my thread .. I was at that time trying some funky pinning and stuff. .. so wouldn't be considered a good testbed or comparison |
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| 22:58.03 | No_Hope | is any 1 looking for EXTREMELY cheap webhostign visit www.vibenet-hosting.com |
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| 22:58.27 | gb | No_Hope: ho go spam elsewhere |
| 22:58.33 | MatBoy | cydork, beer !! I have nice beer :D |
| 22:58.44 | gb | no rather |
| 22:58.49 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 22:58.49 | dpkg | well, qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
| 22:58.53 | geo-rge | !beer wine |
| 22:59.03 | enouf | hehe |
| 22:59.10 | MatBoy | geo-rge, hehe... windows applications do suck indeed :P |
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| 22:59.23 | jelly-home | No_Hope: Thou shalt not spamvertise. |
| 23:00.03 | jelly-home | wine sucks |
| 23:00.12 | MatBoy | vmware rocks :p |
| 23:00.29 | jelly-home | MatBoy: oh? How does starcraft run in vmware? |
| 23:00.32 | gb | jelly-home: wine is fine here |
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| 23:00.50 | itchi | beer rocks haha |
| 23:00.51 | MatBoy | jeefers, install a OS in vmware first :P |
| 23:00.54 | pickcoder | !dew |
| 23:01.07 | gb | vmware is lame inmy opinion |
| 23:01.22 | gb | waste of cpu cycles & diskspace |
| 23:01.28 | itchi | ug, and what about qemu? :-) |
| 23:01.28 | jelly-home | gb: Hey, after work starcraft IS critical for the wellbeing of the employees. |
| 23:01.49 | itchi | gb: Knowledges is in no manner wasted things |
| 23:02.12 | MatBoy | gb, Xen is also not done atm |
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| 23:02.12 | gb | bah, you should try some of the open source games occassionally, debian has plenty |
| 23:02.28 | h3sp4wn | kvm should be ok and fast (sid has kvm and kvm-source and it will be included in 2.6.20) much better than vmware anyway |
| 23:02.39 | gb | they dont chew anywhere near the cpu or ram |
| 23:02.39 | amphi | itchi: 'extension of knowledge is the root of all virtue' ;) |
| 23:02.50 | itchi | amphi: :-) |
| 23:02.59 | pickcoder | heh.. after-hours gaming |
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| 23:03.14 | pickcoder | I created a Doom2 map of our building and lot |
| 23:03.18 | jelly-home | knowledge is a tool. Now, what you do with it can be virtuous or not. |
| 23:03.25 | gb | I figure if you're lame enbough too waste money on proprietry software, you might as well waste it on dedicated hardware for it too run properly |
| 23:03.36 | gb | personally I waste money on neither |
| 23:04.26 | gb | I should waste some money on some decent hardware though one day |
| 23:04.30 | jelly-home | gb: well, it's not really practical to have a separate machine that only gets used once in a while. |
| 23:04.45 | pickcoder | maybe it was Quake2 |
| 23:04.47 | enouf | Lesson of the day == if you're getting on in years a bit .. and "seem to recall" .. you should check 1st with any documentation you have made that refer to the incident at hand .. Another reason to document everything :-) |
| 23:04.48 | MatBoy | gb, you have to install a decent kernel on the VM and it;s fine again |
| 23:04.50 | pickcoder | too long ago |
| 23:05.12 | fr3ak | btw how to do i extract *.tar.bz2 file |
| 23:05.30 | amphi | fr3ak: tar jxf |
| 23:05.31 | phated | man tar. |
| 23:05.33 | enouf | bunzip ;-) |
| 23:05.34 | gb | jelly-home: oh I thought you said it was critical for the well being? you cant have it every which way |
| 23:05.35 | LightKnight | fr3ak: tar jxvf filename |
| 23:05.38 | fr3ak | ah |
| 23:05.40 | fr3ak | thanks |
| 23:05.54 | MatBoy | enouf, is you name in normal words, Enough ? |
| 23:06.10 | itchi | fr3ak: ask dpkg about tar :-) |
| 23:06.16 | enouf | MatBoy: I guess so .. yeah .. I misspell it for a nick |
| 23:06.26 | fr3ak | guess, i don't have bzip2 :P |
| 23:06.27 | MatBoy | hehe, this one is nicer |
| 23:06.34 | fr3ak | installed* |
| 23:06.35 | MatBoy | fr3ak, install it |
| 23:06.37 | pickcoder | !nickometer MatBoy |
| 23:06.39 | dpkg | 'MatBoy' is 0.000% lame, pickcoder |
| 23:06.50 | MatBoy | :D |
| 23:06.58 | fr3ak | haha |
| 23:07.12 | MatBoy | !nickometer pickcoder |
| 23:07.14 | dpkg | 'pickcoder' is 0.000% lame, matboy |
| 23:07.23 | MatBoy | :) |
| 23:07.37 | enouf | MatBoy: as in "I've had enough! , and I'm not going to take it anymore!" .. get it? |
| 23:07.53 | gb | enouf: nup :P |
| 23:08.01 | enouf | MatBoy: as in "enough already!" |
| 23:08.01 | MatBoy | enouf, yeah, that was what I thought... you say it when you have drunk too much beer :P |
| 23:08.04 | pickcoder | I need the "meh" t-shirt from thinkgeek |
| 23:08.04 | SubStack | !nickometer dpkg |
| 23:08.05 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, substack |
| 23:08.21 | itchi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:08.29 | enouf | MatBoy: I'm drinking now too :-) |
| 23:09.00 | MatBoy | enouf, me too, what is your brand ? |
| 23:09.19 | enouf | MatBoy: tonight iot's Svedka :-P |
| 23:09.27 | huffy | does anyone know if people with ATI cards have the same difficulties installing debian like ubuntu? |
| 23:09.30 | MatBoy | enouf, you went out of money ?? :p |
| 23:09.33 | itchi | How can i check if an driver is supported in an newer kernel that i not yet have? |
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| 23:09.43 | enouf | I like Swedish women .. like Heidi :-) |
| 23:09.58 | MatBoy | Heidi, damn... nice boobs :D |
| 23:10.00 | itchi | Looks like JMicron JMB363 PATA/SATA is not yet supported in the kernel, these have forget to add it :-+ |
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| 23:10.02 | enouf | MatBoy: .. look up svedka .. then try again :-P |
| 23:10.04 | MatBoy | hehe, the one I had :P |
| 23:10.22 | enouf | Indeed .. a klumefull I say |
| 23:10.36 | pickcoder | itchi: you can search for the module filename on packages.debian.org |
| 23:10.41 | enouf | alrighty MatBoy .. enough offtopic for now |
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| 23:10.51 | MatBoy | enouf, yoiu started :P |
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| 23:11.05 | enouf | I "expanded" |
| 23:11.08 | itchi | pickcoder: I not yet know about the module name too :-/ Try to search for an friend on #debian for his controller |
| 23:11.10 | Lamperi | Heidi who? |
| 23:11.17 | gb | anyone know of adebian friendly ethernet disk drive? |
| 23:11.18 | huffy | does anyone know if people with ATI cards have the same difficulties installing debian like ubuntu? |
| 23:11.34 | pickcoder | itchi: which chipset? for the JMB363 |
| 23:11.34 | itchi | s/\#debian/\#debian-nl/ |
| 23:11.35 | dserban | Is there a "debian" way to set persitent rules in udev to keep network interface names persistent? |
| 23:11.49 | pickcoder | dserban: look at z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 23:11.49 | itchi | pickcoder: JMicron JMB363 PATA/SATA |
| 23:11.56 | amphi | huffy: I had no probs, but my card is very much trailing edge |
| 23:11.57 | pickcoder | dserban: /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 23:12.01 | rahul | where's that pic of heidi |
| 23:12.16 | rahul | aha http://www.simonerossi.it/wallpapers/belle_tope/images/HeidiKlum03.jpg |
| 23:12.17 | itchi | pickcoder: Is that you need? |
| 23:12.30 | pickcoder | itchi: we'll see what google finds |
| 23:12.35 | gb | huffy: When I was lucky enough too have a desktop system with an ati in it, it gave me no trouble on either potato, woody or sid |
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| 23:12.41 | enouf | Lamperi: hei -dee , hei do , hei dah, ... <scatches record> .. Accept blazes away at "Fast as a Shark"! |
| 23:12.41 | itchi | pickcoder: Yeah, look https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/57502 |
| 23:12.50 | itchi | pickcoder: Here's the right threat about it |
| 23:13.11 | gb | but as you can tell that was well before ewwbonetwo |
| 23:13.20 | Lamperi | enouf, funny >_> |
| 23:13.22 | dserban | pickcoder: thanks! |
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| 23:14.02 | enouf | Oh my .. I think I flooded her server :-P |
| 23:14.33 | enouf | rahul: thanks mate .. now let's stop there plz .. really .. it is off-topic |
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| 23:15.54 | streuner | enough enouf |
| 23:16.02 | streuner | ;-) |
| 23:16.16 | enouf | indeed streuner |
| 23:16.17 | streuner | pretty girls aren't OT - NOWHERE ;-) |
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| 23:16.41 | enouf | I concur .. but the powers that be, for good reason, think otherwise |
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| 23:17.14 | enouf | streuner: it only leads down a path that's non-debian related eventually |
| 23:17.24 | huffy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ does anyone know which one is the i need? im on laptop with xp :( , ive never done this before |
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| 23:17.58 | mc__ | jelly-home: thats true,but that cases are rare |
| 23:18.13 | welly | Hi all.. i've got my apache2.2.3 installed (from source) and it's working fine. I'm trying to work out how to get it to run at boot time.. any suggestions where to start? |
| 23:18.52 | streuner | sounds a question for #apache |
| 23:18.56 | streuner | like* |
| 23:19.19 | welly | they sent me here :) |
| 23:19.27 | streuner | hehe |
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| 23:19.42 | pickcoder | itchi: the problem is that it won't boot from CD? |
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| 23:20.18 | huffy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ does anyone know which one is the i need? im on laptop with xp :( , ive never done this before |
| 23:20.20 | streuner | welly: well, what's wrong about the packages of debian then? |
| 23:20.32 | streuner | dpkg info apache2 |
| 23:20.34 | welly | streuner, now i have an apachectrl script that'll start/stop/restart/reload the server and from past experience, i know it needs to sit in the /etc/init.d directory but that's it |
| 23:20.34 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-3.2 (sid), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 23:20.34 | itchi | pickcoder: It boot, but once installed, it no more want :-/ |
| 23:20.53 | itchi | pickcoder: The problem is after the reboot, he get an grub error code 21 |
| 23:20.57 | pickcoder | itchi: is the controller configured as AHCI? |
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| 23:21.00 | welly | streuner, i wasn't having much luck with getting it installed from the package |
| 23:21.08 | streuner | why |
| 23:21.09 | welly | it kept on trying to install the previous version |
| 23:21.24 | itchi | pickcoder: Im sorry, the guy have leave the building over 5 mins, that's sad :-( |
| 23:21.33 | itchi | pickcoder: The channel ;-) |
| 23:21.49 | itchi | pickcoder: But he is an near an regular on #debian-nl |
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| 23:23.08 | signalvsnoise | I'm pretty sure 21 is a filesystem error |
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| 23:23.43 | Kuko | hello does anyone here use ion3? |
| 23:24.11 | itchi | signalvsnoise: Looks like the controler is not yet supported in the kernels, looks like an human mistake, these have forget to add it to the kernel |
| 23:24.43 | signalvsnoise | ah. Thanks for the edification. |
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| 23:25.24 | itchi | signalvsnoise: But i know less about too, yeah, was trying to examine the trouble to, just sad that he is gone now, ggrrr |
| 23:26.10 | huffy | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ does anyone know which one is the i need? im on laptop with xp :( , ive never done this before Is it netisnt???? |
| 23:26.29 | pickcoder | itchi: the problem is a bug in the IDE layer and the ahci driver |
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| 23:26.43 | itchi | pickcoder: hhhmm |
| 23:26.46 | pickcoder | itchi: I'm searching the bug reports for a patch if done |
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| 23:28.19 | streuner | welly: why not just use apache (1)? |
| 23:28.22 | pickcoder | 2.6.18 RC4 has the patch |
| 23:28.33 | itchi | pickcoder: hhhm, cooool :-) |
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| 23:28.50 | pickcoder | 2.6.18-3 should support the board |
| 23:28.52 | welly | streuner, because i need to use apache2.2.3 |
| 23:28.59 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399120#24 |
| 23:29.10 | streuner | welly: WHY? |
| 23:29.15 | humbolto | do UDP packages have a source address? |
| 23:29.23 | welly | streuner, only apache 2.2.3 supports mod_proxy_balancer, which I need to use for a ruby on rails application |
| 23:29.35 | welly | or not necessarily NEED but would prefer |
| 23:30.04 | streuner | welly: apache2 is in debian, so use it. |
| 23:30.35 | welly | streuner, well I had hoped to but i was getting mixed feedback on using unstable packages |
| 23:30.38 | streuner | remove the source and use that package, if you get errors - show us what doesn't work then |
| 23:30.39 | cureless | humbolto: what do you mean? |
| 23:30.58 | streuner | welly: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:31.09 | humbolto | cureless: do they have a source IP field in the header? |
| 23:31.27 | welly | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 23:31.39 | streuner | hell, that's sarge |
| 23:31.53 | itchi | !beer pickcoder |
| 23:31.54 | jelly-home | humbolto: they do. |
| 23:31.55 | itchi | :-) |
| 23:31.57 | cureless | humbolto: IP packets have a source IP. UDP and TCP packets are inside IP packets, they have port numbers. |
| 23:31.59 | streuner | welly: aren't there any packages at backports.org? |
| 23:32.17 | welly | streuner, i have no idea! never heard of backports until just now :) |
| 23:32.28 | streuner | !tell welly about backports |
| 23:32.34 | streuner | !tell welly about simple sid backport |
| 23:32.41 | humbolto | cureless: oh yes. how stupid. I should go to bed. |
| 23:32.42 | itchi | pickcoder: Man!, many thanks :-) |
| 23:33.16 | pickcoder | itchi: welcome |
| 23:34.51 | itchi | pickcoder: :-) |
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| 23:38.37 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 23:41.36 | blondie | bing bong |
| 23:41.51 | itchi | blondie: Update your clock :-p |
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| 23:47.51 | Sebboh | what's that command to re-run the initial configuration for some package? |
| 23:48.02 | karsten | Sebboh: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:48.06 | ApEtc | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:48.42 | Sebboh | ... oh it's not on a normal user's path. Thanks |
| 23:48.43 | DevilChaos | hi folks i did a command to check my system for some s**t dont really know what to make of it this is thecommand i did (find / -perm -2 ! -type l -ls) and got alot of scroll how do i know what files i need to change? |
| 23:49.34 | blondie | DevilChaos: what are you trying to do? o.O |
| 23:49.47 | karsten | blondie: Good question. |
| 23:49.58 | Caelum | do your ssh keys get forwarded via agent forward if you have a local key as well? |
| 23:50.25 | DevilChaos | check my system for world writable files |
| 23:50.42 | blondie | also, embrace the comma! |
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| 23:51.02 | DevilChaos | there are files there from /proc and /tmp |
| 23:51.24 | seriouslycgi | how do i know which kernel version i have? |
| 23:51.34 | blondie | seriouslycgi: uname -a |
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| 23:51.36 | seriouslycgi | thanks |
| 23:52.03 | fenn | any ideas why iceweasel doesn't find any plugins? |
| 23:52.09 | blondie | DevilChaos: do you have reason to suspect the files' permissions have been changed from what they should be? |
| 23:52.29 | DevilChaos | the /tmp dir is ok but what is the purpose of proc? |
| 23:52.41 | blondie | !proc |
| 23:52.41 | dpkg | well, proc is on Unix-like computer systems, procfs is short for process filesystem: a pseudo-filesystem which is used to access kernel information about processes. Because /proc is not a real file system, it does not consume any storage space, and it consumes only a limited amount of memory. The filesystem is often mounted at /proc. It is supported under Solaris, BSD and Linux, and the latter also extends it to non-process-related data. |
| 23:52.41 | seriouslycgi | ok lol is it possible to run multi local users on 2.4.27-3-386 kernel? (defualt stable release kernel) |
| 23:52.52 | fenn | the debian version of iceweasel doesn't skip non-free plugins does it? |
| 23:52.53 | DevilChaos | no im doing initial security checks to my laptop ive just set up |
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| 23:53.36 | blondie | seriouslycgi: what do you mean "multi local users"? |
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| 23:54.02 | seriouslycgi | two keyboards mice and monitors (its for my kids) on one machine |
| 23:54.19 | seriouslycgi | just to surf nickjr etc |
| 23:54.21 | blondie | oh, dunno |
| 23:54.26 | DevilChaos | exellent so i dont need to worry bout the /proc files then if they are the process files for the system? |
| 23:54.48 | blondie | hm |
| 23:55.02 | Sebboh | why can't I find a package like mysql-doc ? :/ |
| 23:55.05 | DevilChaos | why are they world writable though? |
| 23:55.12 | blondie | !paste |
| 23:55.12 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:55.17 | blondie | DevilChaos: they aren't real files |
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| 23:55.50 | DevilChaos | ok sorry just re-read the dpkg message on screen |
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| 23:56.17 | blondie | I ran apt-get update on etch... what should I make of this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4940 ? |
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| 23:56.33 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 23:56.40 | rsk | blondie: try to re-run it |
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| 23:57.39 | DevilChaos | yeah ive been wondering that too |
| 23:57.58 | blondie | (don't tell me to re-run apt-get update) |
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| 23:58.14 | gb | DevilChaos: dont forget too back /dev/random :) |
| 23:58.24 | gb | DevilChaos: dont forget too backup /dev/random :) |
| 23:58.27 | blondie | !bts |
| 23:58.27 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 23:58.28 | sunrunner20 | tarzeau: hope i'm not being annoying, would you rather me mirror uapt-get to my site, or link directly to it? |
