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| 00:04.09 | resistance | i've installed jvm and varified it works, how do I get programs to detect it at installation? |
| 00:04.40 | DevilChaos | gb: why what is /dev/ramdom? |
| 00:04.45 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 00:04.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:05.05 | itchi | DevilChaos: Backup it, you need it :-) |
| 00:05.30 | itchi | DevilChaos: Nope, it's to make some random stuff |
| 00:05.32 | blondie | and /dev/null |
| 00:05.35 | blondie | and /dev/urandom :) |
| 00:05.41 | DevilChaos | im good with the install and run of systems im now coming to grips with the commands and internel workings of the sytem taken me years to get there and to where i am now |
| 00:05.47 | itchi | DevilChaos: Do not back it up ;-) |
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| 00:06.02 | itchi | DevilChaos: Or maybe you want a giant backup? |
| 00:06.12 | nick255 | thats what i do when i'm really bored: backup /dev/random by hand |
| 00:06.14 | DevilChaos | fuck that |
| 00:06.49 | blondie | nick255: cool, with pen and paper? |
| 00:07.06 | itchi | DevilChaos: Your language please ;-) (and stay with the jokes ;-)) |
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| 00:07.22 | blondie | nothing wrong with "fuck that" :| |
| 00:07.34 | gb | I backup all users work too /dev/tape which is lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 28 09:06 /dev/tape -> /dev/null |
| 00:07.45 | itchi | blondie: Depend on who or what he have it over |
| 00:07.51 | DevilChaos | sorry sometime i forget to put in the stars ******* |
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| 00:08.07 | blondie | itchi: I'd say swearing was only rude if you direct it at someone |
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| 00:08.11 | jelly-home | swearing is for asshats, don't do it mkay |
| 00:08.18 | itchi | blondie: yup, sure |
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| 00:08.37 | DevilChaos | asshats whats an asshat havent heard that one before? |
| 00:08.45 | gb | nick255: how do you back it up by hand? |
| 00:08.48 | azeem | it'S off topic |
| 00:08.58 | gb | crayola & paper& cp it off thed screen? |
| 00:09.00 | jelly-home | DevilChaos: have you no imagination, sir? |
| 00:09.15 | DevilChaos | heh am just pulling ur chain |
| 00:09.28 | geo-rge | DevilChaos: distant cousin of a shoeclown |
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| 00:10.39 | blondie | erm what's the difference between doing "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 00:10.54 | azeem | blondie: rtfm |
| 00:11.03 | blondie | azeem: how rude! |
| 00:11.46 | itchi | blondie: Read the fine manual :-) |
| 00:11.48 | geo-rge | blondie: upgrade only looks for updates to your existing packages while dist-upgrade actually calculates an upgrade that has other packages tha |
| 00:11.53 | itchi | blondie: Nothings rude with it :-) |
| 00:11.54 | geo-rge | n what you have installed |
| 00:12.06 | gb | blondie: if you don't know, you should use neither |
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| 00:12.23 | Ronin | nothing rude about rtfm and stfw |
| 00:12.58 | DevilChaos | gtf is better |
| 00:13.04 | mc__ | it depends on if you mean read the fine manual or read the fucking manual |
| 00:13.07 | geo-rge | itchi: actually it is. think about it this way: would you say the expanded version in person in public every time? |
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| 00:13.36 | Ronin | mc__: either one, its still not rude |
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| 00:13.54 | geo-rge | Ronin: so you'd say it in person |
| 00:14.00 | Sebboh | wtf is stfw? =) I'm familar with stfu. |
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| 00:14.07 | amphi | geo-rge: certainly ;) |
| 00:14.09 | geo-rge | to your boss, to your boss's wife |
| 00:14.12 | amphi | !stfw |
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| 00:14.13 | dpkg | [stfw] Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 00:14.17 | geo-rge | good luck with that :) |
| 00:14.34 | Sebboh | ahh. I guess that I could have stfw'd for stfw. =P |
| 00:14.39 | jelly-home | geo-rge: the fine variation is fine |
| 00:14.46 | Ronin | geo-rge: i have |
| 00:14.55 | geo-rge | were you fired? |
| 00:15.01 | Ronin | geo-rge: ive also done stfw in person, no i wasnt fired |
| 00:15.17 | itchi | hhhm bart |
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| 00:15.52 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.58 | geo-rge | if you said that to me and I were your boss, I'd fire you... if I had a wife and you said it to her, I'd knock you out then have you dragged off the property |
| 00:16.20 | cureless | doesn't it depend on context? |
| 00:16.21 | itchi | geo-rge: Time for an realy nice job |
| 00:16.49 | jelly-home | geo-rge: it really depends on your cultural background and context |
| 00:16.52 | blondie | geo-rge: and then you'd get arrested for assault? |
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| 00:16.54 | Ronin | i think geo-rge needs to unwind and relax and dom some rtfm |
| 00:16.57 | amphi | geo-rge: spend much time in litigation? ;) |
| 00:17.49 | geo-rge | I'd go for permanent damage too... |
| 00:18.04 | blondie | sounds like someone needs anger management |
| 00:18.16 | Ronin | blondie: indeed |
| 00:18.35 | blondie | "sticks and stones" :) |
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| 00:18.59 | amphi | and adjectives, it seems |
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| 00:19.54 | geo-rge | Ronin: point being, you probably need to be careful what you say and to whom :) |
| 00:20.13 | geo-rge | legal law acts slower than physical law |
| 00:20.23 | Ronin | geo-rge: well of course, i tell our minister its fine or something like that, its called common sense |
| 00:20.26 | blondie | but you can't go around hitting people for swearing at you |
| 00:20.37 | geo-rge | yes, that's right |
| 00:20.42 | trasz | is there any _working_ - not 'supposed to be working' but actually working - way to boot a sun ultra 5 from a cdrom? |
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| 00:20.43 | Ronin | geo-rge: oh and trying your response to rtfm will have an interesting reaction |
| 00:21.08 | geo-rge | not at me, at a wife I don't have :) |
| 00:21.15 | geo-rge | so it's hypothetical at best |
| 00:21.28 | Ronin | im seeing why too ;) |
| 00:21.32 | amphi | heh |
| 00:21.51 | asg | trasz: better to just use tftp |
| 00:21.52 | blondie | trasz: you mean boot debian or boot anything? |
| 00:21.59 | cureless | trasz: can't you boot with "boot cdrom" ? |
| 00:24.28 | jelly-home | trasz: other than putting a working medium in, "boot cdrom" at ok prompt? |
| 00:25.12 | cureless | trasz: here's the docs for openboot if you need more info: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/805-4436/6j4719c8h?a=view |
| 00:25.40 | trasz | jelly-home: yes. it fails with both 3.1rc4 iirc and Etch. |
| 00:25.50 | geo-rge | trasz: what have you tried? for each... what did you expect? what actually happend? |
| 00:25.59 | trasz | Loading initial ramdisk (3798237 bytes at 0x10000000 phys, 0x40C00000 virt)... |
| 00:26.02 | trasz | Data Access Exception |
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| 00:26.58 | trasz | 270MHz, 192MB, OBP 3.31. |
| 00:27.04 | jelly-home | trasz: does booting a Solaris cd work? |
| 00:27.14 | trasz | jelly-home: yes. and netbsd, and freebsd. |
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| 00:27.29 | geo-rge | trasz: so, it's the cd |
| 00:28.03 | trasz | geo-rge: it's repeatable. |
| 00:28.15 | jelly-home | geo-rge: I think there were problems with some kernel + machine (obp version) combinations |
| 00:28.22 | geo-rge | it looks like it was written properly... otherwise you wouldn't have gotten as far as you did in the boot process |
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| 00:28.31 | asg | trasz: If I remember correctly, it has to do with the sector sizes on the cdrom image. If not created/burned properly, the Sun openboot prom won't work. Google for openbsd related info on the subject. |
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| 00:29.24 | jelly-home | oh, the 512 bytes sector still applies to Ultra 5 (and its IDE CDROM)? |
| 00:29.33 | trasz | asg: but then it would fail for other operating systems, wouldn't it? all the images were burned using 'cdrecords -dao imagename speed=4' and worked. |
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| 00:30.19 | asg | trasz: but those images were likely created correctly. I have the same issue with Debian images vs OpenBSD/FreeBSD images on SunFire v100s. |
| 00:31.24 | marvil07 | hi everyone, have anyone had problems with centericq in the testing distribution?.. my problem is that it disconnects after I send a message(then reconnects and this repeats again with all the messages i send).. any idea? |
| 00:32.28 | jelly-home | trasz: hm, can you try our custom image? I believe it works... ftp://ftp.carnet.hr/pub/carnet-debian/iso/arhiva/cn-debian2.1-0605-sparc.iso |
| 00:32.50 | trasz | jelly-home: i'll try. |
| 00:33.12 | trasz | asg: are you trying to say that Debian/sparc64 iso images are broken? |
| 00:33.19 | mc__ | marvil07: tried querybts centericq ? |
| 00:33.22 | jelly-home | trasz: this is not really a debian disc, but a custom image installer. Still if it boots, then you know that Debian's images are broken and bugs should be reported |
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| 00:35.52 | knubbze | hi, I did what the debootstrap installing debian how-to says |
| 00:35.54 | knubbze | but when I arrive at the: /usr/sbin/base-config new part |
| 00:35.54 | knubbze | it says "Terminated". |
| 00:38.07 | jelly-home | knubbze: wild guess: are you running in an enviroment which imposes additional restrictions on chroots, like a Grsecurity kernel? |
| 00:38.15 | knubbze | negative |
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| 00:38.38 | knubbze | using a debian sarge recovery system |
| 00:38.41 | wastrel | hi folkies |
| 00:38.53 | dvs | folkies? |
| 00:39.05 | knubbze | jelly-home, assuming I was using an environment restricting chroot |
| 00:39.12 | knubbze | how to do what I want to do? |
| 00:40.07 | jelly-home | knubbze: easiest thing would be to boot a non-grsec kernel. |
| 00:40.49 | knubbze | is debian sarge running grsec? |
| 00:40.55 | jelly-home | nope |
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| 00:41.42 | knubbze | what about ubuntu? |
| 00:41.55 | jelly-home | knubbze: Not AFAIK. |
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| 00:42.13 | knubbze | and knoppix? |
| 00:42.14 | jelly-home | knubbze: did you check google? eg. http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=98068 |
| 00:42.36 | jelly-home | You'll have to ask #knoppix for that |
| 00:42.47 | knubbze | oh thanks jelly-home |
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| 00:43.49 | NaufraGo | is there any good music player? |
| 00:43.56 | mc__ | NaufraGo: yes |
| 00:44.04 | NaufraGo | interesting... |
| 00:44.12 | Lamperi | Mun tuoksuu vähän saunalle. |
| 00:44.13 | knubbze | NaufraGo, xmms :o) |
| 00:44.23 | NaufraGo | any other? |
| 00:44.30 | geo-rge | I am a good music player |
| 00:44.31 | mc__ | NaufraGo: are you on gnome or kde? |
| 00:44.35 | NaufraGo | good |
| 00:44.36 | jelly-home | NaufraGo: are you using a desktop environment of some sort? |
| 00:44.43 | amphi | NaufraGo: moc |
| 00:44.44 | NaufraGo | where can I download you? |
| 00:44.51 | NaufraGo | kde |
| 00:44.51 | jelly-home | geo-rge: what's your instrument? |
| 00:44.56 | geo-rge | bass |
| 00:44.58 | mc__ | NaufraGo: amarok |
| 00:45.02 | jelly-home | NaufraGo: amarok is rather good. |
| 00:45.09 | NaufraGo | alright |
| 00:45.17 | mc__ | amarok is TEH kde-killerapp imho |
| 00:45.31 | jelly-home | yep, I run it on xfce. |
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| 00:46.01 | NaufraGo | wich is the best desktop environment? I like kde.. |
| 00:46.02 | geo-rge | NaufraGo: you can't... just come to my gigs :) |
| 00:46.13 | mc__ | NaufraGo: there is no "best" |
| 00:46.13 | jelly-home | NaufraGo: ah, there's no best. |
| 00:46.30 | geo-rge | NaufraGo: what's your favorite? |
| 00:46.41 | xuubuu | He, that's weird that centericq |
| 00:46.42 | NaufraGo | I told you, didn't I? |
| 00:46.55 | geo-rge | you told what you are running. |
| 00:47.02 | geo-rge | not whether it's your fav |
| 00:47.11 | NaufraGo | "I like kde" |
| 00:47.25 | NaufraGo | there's gnome and kde, any else? |
| 00:47.36 | mc__ | NaufraGo: xfce |
| 00:47.45 | geo-rge | I like Stephanie Seymour... |
| 00:47.49 | asg | xfce, icewm, fvwm, fvwm2, *box, ion (and many many others) |
| 00:48.05 | geo-rge | that doesn't tell you that she is my favorite |
| 00:48.08 | mc__ | asg: those are wm's and not desktop enviromnents |
| 00:48.08 | jelly-home | that e17 thingy |
| 00:48.18 | itchi | Maybe is /msg dpkg wm useful |
| 00:48.19 | NaufraGo | geo-rge, interesting... |
| 00:48.27 | asg | mc__: then the above list + xterm ;) |
| 00:48.39 | mc__ | asg: ^^ |
| 00:48.41 | h3sp4wn | I use e17 but e16 (package - enlightenment) is ok |
| 00:49.40 | asg | mc__: then we must have different definitions of 'Desktop Environment' |
| 00:49.41 | marvil07 | mc_, I'm looking for, but i think there's not |
| 00:49.54 | geo-rge | in a larger sense, window managers are desktop environments... |
| 00:50.09 | geo-rge | in the sense that they provide user interface |
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| 00:50.27 | NaufraGo | a question.. what do you linuxers use linux, debian for? |
| 00:50.37 | dvs | NaufraGo: IRC. ;-) |
| 00:50.40 | mc__ | well i think a desktop enviromnent is something that gives you tools to configure your system and a window manager |
| 00:50.40 | NaufraGo | haha |
| 00:50.50 | mc__ | NaufraGo: wtf? |
| 00:51.03 | jelly-home | frankly I use xfce's bits and pieces much like I used Afterstep's bits and pieces before, one is a DE and the other is a wm. wtf. |
| 00:51.08 | geo-rge | NaufraGo: programming/coding environment, safe email reading, games, escape from microsoft... |
| 00:51.11 | geo-rge | you? |
| 00:51.33 | NaufraGo | I use it because in windows I always have stability problems |
| 00:51.40 | NaufraGo | viruses, etc. etc. |
| 00:51.41 | xuubuu | I do not many with Linux, but many with GNU stuff haha |
| 00:51.44 | Sebboh | naufrago, I don't use debian for a desktop environment. I use windows XP and ubuntu for that. ..I use debian for *everything else*. ;) |
| 00:51.54 | geo-rge | right, I never get viruses in linux |
| 00:52.03 | NaufraGo | neighter do I |
| 00:52.12 | mc__ | nor I |
| 00:52.12 | wastrel | hello |
| 00:52.20 | mc__ | no one has viruses on linux :) |
| 00:52.25 | xuubuu | gggr, centericq is to weird |
| 00:52.29 | NaufraGo | haha |
| 00:52.32 | geo-rge | in windows, you pay for the operating system then you pay for norton antivirus subscription |
| 00:52.41 | NaufraGo | just money |
| 00:52.43 | geo-rge | or whatever |
| 00:53.06 | geo-rge | mc__: well there is bliss |
| 00:53.32 | jelly-home | php exploits are an annoyance |
| 00:53.37 | NaufraGo | but here.. I haven't found any complex application to edit videos, images, etc.. and that's what I like, and in windows I have to pay for them |
| 00:53.38 | geo-rge | it's difficult to infect files you can't write to |
| 00:54.18 | geo-rge | NaufraGo: that stuff is coming in a big way |
| 00:54.30 | mc__ | when viruses,adware and all that crap comes to linux i'll move to OpenBSD xD |
| 00:54.32 | jelly-home | NaufraGo: you can also pay for Linux apps if you find any! :-) |
| 00:54.46 | NaufraGo | mm, that's awful |
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| 00:55.25 | NaufraGo | then linux will be a commercial concept? |
| 00:55.28 | amphi | NaufraGo: cinelerra perhaps... |
| 00:55.42 | sid | Soap / Lars_G / linuxstb, ok now it beeped three times blinking between "ok to disconnect" and a picture of the battery(in the center of the screen big) and with an explamation point on top of the left of the battery. |
| 00:55.50 | mc__ | NaufraGo: Linux itself will never be commercial |
| 00:55.56 | jelly-home | NaufraGo: linux went commercial a long time ago |
| 00:55.58 | NaufraGo | I hope |
| 00:56.00 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 00:56.07 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 00:56.09 | mc__ | NaufraGo: but many linux applications are commercial |
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| 00:56.17 | jelly-home | NaufraGo: RedHat is thataway --> |
| 00:56.29 | mc__ | NaufraGo: software can be for free AND commercial |
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| 00:56.53 | vanpriest | nick Vannoda |
| 00:56.59 | geo-rge | NaufraGo: for one, linux cannot be captured and rendered non-free and secret by commercial interests |
| 00:57.01 | Vannoda | someone use ntop here? |
| 00:57.09 | Vannoda | i have trouble to log in ntop trough the webbroser.. |
| 00:57.10 | geo-rge | !anyone |
| 00:57.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:57.49 | NaufraGo | another question.. about the non-free packages.. they mean I have to pay for them? |
| 00:57.56 | jelly-home | Vannoda: read /usr/share/doc/ntop/README.Debian yet? |
| 00:58.01 | mc__ | NaufraGo: nope |
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| 00:58.10 | Vannoda | i did actualy iset up the admin password |
| 00:58.15 | jelly-home | good |
| 00:58.15 | NaufraGo | so.. |
| 00:58.23 | geo-rge | no, they mean they are not "free software" as partially defined by the GPL |
| 00:58.28 | Vannoda | netsta -nlv show me tat the port 3000 is open |
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| 00:58.35 | geo-rge | free as in speech that is |
| 00:58.38 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 00:58.52 | Vannoda | but i cannot log to the port 3000 |
| 00:58.56 | Vannoda | i dont have any firewall |
| 00:59.00 | geo-rge | non-free and contrib are not considered part of debian, only main is |
| 00:59.21 | NaufraGo | alright, its clear |
| 00:59.21 | jelly-home | Vannoda: is the web server at :3000 accessible at all? |
| 00:59.33 | Vannoda | huh? |
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| 00:59.36 | Gnurdux | NaufraGo, they mean that they arent open source, but are still "free" as in free beer |
| 00:59.38 | jelly-home | Vannoda: can you open eg. http://localhost:3000/ in the browser? |
| 00:59.43 | Vannoda | not work |
| 00:59.53 | Vannoda | ntop has his own server web no? |
| 01:00.12 | jelly-home | Vannoda: yes. that's what the thing listening at tcp port 3000 is. |
| 01:00.25 | Vannoda | $links http://localhost:3000/ |
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| 01:00.30 | fuzza | hi all |
| 01:00.32 | Vannoda | it sen request |
| 01:00.34 | NaufraGo | is there any good image creating application? |
| 01:00.35 | Vannoda | but seem not havin asnwer |
| 01:00.50 | Vannoda | i wait for almost 10 minute now |
| 01:00.57 | jelly-home | Vannoda: hmm, what about "telnet localhost 3000" ? |
| 01:01.01 | geo-rge | NaufraGo, essentially, non-free can be that people can't get the source, modify, redistribute and create as well as distribute binaries out of the source |
| 01:01.06 | NaufraGo | graphic design I mean |
| 01:01.22 | geo-rge | try gimp |
| 01:01.24 | Vannoda | its connected |
| 01:01.29 | Vannoda | jelly-home: its connected |
| 01:01.53 | Vannoda | jelly-home: using telnet localhost 3000 |
| 01:01.54 | geo-rge | type: GET / <enter><enter> |
| 01:01.54 | amphi | NaufraGo: or inkscape perhaps, if you want vector |
| 01:02.07 | marvil07 | hey mc_ , the problem was me, i was trying to send a message on invisible status, what a... jeje, thanks |
| 01:02.18 | abchirk | nalioth around? |
| 01:02.21 | fuzza | got a weird vpn problem... I'm connecting a standard chap vpn (no mppe) to a remote site with sarge, and the vpn connects fine, gets ip addresses and routes, etc; but I can't get any response from the other private end (pings, telnets, etc), either from the direct remote end or from another machine on that network which I know exists |
| 01:02.22 | norc | I need an application to play audio cds, that does not pull in gnome/kde |
| 01:02.27 | norc | any suggestions? |
| 01:02.32 | fuzza | however it works fine under xp, and the routing looks much the same; any ideas? |
| 01:02.44 | geo-rge | norc: workman, workbone |
| 01:02.53 | norc | geo-rge: thanks :) |
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| 01:03.00 | Vannoda | how do i qiut telnet? |
| 01:03.15 | geo-rge | hit the escape char |
| 01:03.20 | asg | Vannoda: ^] |
| 01:03.24 | jelly-home | Vannoda: ctrl-] then q <enter> |
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| 01:03.35 | geo-rge | which was told to you at the start of the session |
| 01:04.15 | Vannoda | i pushed Ctrl and Q |
| 01:04.20 | Vannoda | nor working |
| 01:04.39 | geo-rge | Vannoda, hit the escape char |
| 01:04.41 | geo-rge | which was told to you at the start of the session |
| 01:05.08 | geo-rge | if you're not familiar with control chars, say so |
| 01:05.09 | Vannoda | ^] ? |
| 01:05.14 | geo-rge | yes |
| 01:05.17 | Vannoda | im not familiar xD |
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| 01:05.32 | geo-rge | ok, hold down ctrl, then hit ] |
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| 01:06.10 | Vannoda | ok worked now.. |
| 01:06.11 | nalioth | abchirk: square, too :| |
| 01:06.17 | Vannoda | xd damned i have trouble to find the ] char |
| 01:06.26 | geo-rge | do you have prompt "telnet> "? |
| 01:06.31 | Vannoda | yes |
| 01:06.33 | Vannoda | i put Q |
| 01:06.35 | Vannoda | and it quite dnow |
| 01:06.46 | geo-rge | ok, good enough |
| 01:06.52 | Vannoda | well my.. ntop doesnt work more :( |
| 01:07.11 | Vannoda | anyone help out? apt-get install ntop, i confure the admin pass.. port 3000 is listening. |
| 01:07.18 | Vannoda | not thing happeend i cannot connect to the websoite |
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| 01:07.38 | geo-rge | I'm not personally familiar with ntop. I am familiar with finding problems |
| 01:07.52 | Vannoda | well m yproblems is i got DDOS all night |
| 01:08.05 | Vannoda | and im not sure where is it come from .. |
| 01:08.10 | geo-rge | who did you expose yourself to? |
| 01:08.20 | abchirk | hm nalioth PhilKC is on it ;) |
| 01:08.22 | geo-rge | did you make someone angry at you? |
| 01:08.34 | Vannoda | lolz.. :) yes |
| 01:08.39 | Vannoda | i banned someone from my website -_- |
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| 01:09.04 | Vannoda | i trying to fgure out the ip hich ddos me |
| 01:09.15 | fuzza | Vannoda: just an alternative, I like iftop myself (for realtime monitoring, anyway) |
| 01:09.20 | Vannoda | and i have no idea how to do it.. since my server send packet no stop and iptraf doesnt show me much |
| 01:09.22 | jelly-home | Vannoda: iptraf might be useful too |
| 01:09.30 | jelly-home | heh |
| 01:09.38 | Vannoda | iftop and iptraf doesnt show me mjuch info.. |
| 01:09.47 | Vannoda | bcuz my server receive and send packet no stop.. |
| 01:09.51 | Vannoda | i cannot check them all =/ |
| 01:10.02 | Vannoda | statistic would be the best i guess |
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| 01:10.24 | geo-rge | Vannoda: perhaps it's the guy you banned |
| 01:10.47 | NaufraGo | if I install wine, viruses will affect any windows program I install? |
| 01:10.53 | jelly-home | Vannoda: could be ntop can't handle the traffic... does it eat 100% cpu? |
| 01:10.57 | NaufraGo | or something? |
| 01:11.14 | geo-rge | NaufraGo: could be, yes |
| 01:11.15 | Vannoda | jelly-home. yeah porbably.. but i will limit ntop to few port only.. |
| 01:11.25 | jelly-home | NaufraGo: some viruses work under wine, but not all... it's not compatible enough ;-) |
| 01:11.29 | Vannoda | and only incoming packet.. |
| 01:11.46 | Vannoda | i heard ntop doing good those kind of jobs |
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| 01:12.58 | geo-rge | well, play with it... but it does seem to me you ought to get familiar with character sets and especially control chars, what they're for, how to type them and how they are mentioned in docs |
| 01:13.15 | NaufraGo | is there any p2p app? |
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| 01:13.23 | geo-rge | also, you might take a basic intro to unix course |
| 01:13.32 | sparr | can anyone recommend an audio (or audio+video) player that can speed up or slow down playback without affecting pitch? i dont want chipmunk style voices |
| 01:13.43 | Vannoda | i have good knowledge in debian and follow coruse alrdy :/ |
| 01:13.46 | wynto | Let's say that you have a machine with one network card and you specify 4 additional IPs on it using alaises eth0:0, eth0:1, eth0:2, eth0:3. All requests will be sourced from the IP on eth0. Is it possible you can change it so it's sourced from the IP on eth0:0 or eth0:1, .etc ? |
| 01:13.46 | wynto | I know you can't down eth0, otherwise the alises will be going down too. So is it possible you can source packets from the other aliases? |
| 01:13.47 | NaufraGo | I have amule, and it's awful, I mean, the mp3s download so slow.. :S |
| 01:13.59 | Vannoda | i wonder is iptable logs anazlyser could do the job for me.. |
| 01:14.06 | amphi | NaufraGo: I use rtorrent, which is pleasant |
| 01:14.25 | geo-rge | Vannoda: the reason I bring that up, is that up to now you had no idea what a control char was... |
| 01:14.45 | NaufraGo | is there any best rated one? |
| 01:14.47 | Vannoda | well i dont use it much anyway |
| 01:14.48 | Sebboh | hi, Sparr. |
| 01:14.54 | Vannoda | most of time i use putty and use CTRL + C |
| 01:14.58 | Vannoda | it work pretty fine lol |
| 01:15.08 | fuzza | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.10 | sparr | hi Sebboh |
| 01:15.18 | fuzza | wynto: sorry, that was for you :) |
| 01:15.20 | jelly-home | sparr: eh, I was thinking of adding an audio filter to mplayer just for that... seen it on a Windows media player |
| 01:15.27 | geo-rge | and I wouldn't necessarily bring it up if I didn't think you could handle learning about it |
| 01:15.39 | Vannoda | XD ok |
| 01:15.50 | Vannoda | by the way do u have asolution for the DDOS? |
| 01:16.04 | geo-rge | turn off your web server for awhile |
| 01:16.12 | geo-rge | that's one solution |
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| 01:16.15 | Vannoda | or show mme who try to open the port the most.. |
| 01:16.27 | ding | help, debian install question |
| 01:16.30 | Vannoda | i need to chekc on the port 8888 |
| 01:16.36 | wynto | fuzza: SNATing? |
| 01:16.37 | ding | I install debian from network |
| 01:16.38 | loopdee | wow i just install some dell servers, they use linux for their initial os install to install windows lol |
| 01:16.51 | fuzza | wynto: yeah, with --to-source by the loko |
| 01:16.51 | ding | after the base system i select the desktop,then wait for 4 hours |
| 01:17.00 | fuzza | look* |
| 01:17.04 | geo-rge | ding: so, is it working more or less? |
| 01:17.08 | Vannoda | geo-rge: i wont turn off anhything tat probably the bigges mistake :/ |
| 01:17.09 | wynto | fuzza: yea I guess i could do it that way |
| 01:17.14 | Vannoda | <geo-rge: i cannot afford down time.. |
| 01:17.14 | ding | then configure the email, after that ,it prompt me to login, so I login as root, but I dont know what to so, |
| 01:17.20 | ding | so I use "halt" to shutdown the pc |
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| 01:17.30 | geo-rge | Vannoda: so this is a business? |
| 01:17.34 | Vannoda | kinda. |
| 01:17.39 | NaufraGo | is there any best rated files downloader like p2p, torrent? |
| 01:17.40 | geo-rge | if so, I'd call the police |
| 01:17.43 | ding | after reboot, I dont know how to configure X, how to continue the previous configuration |
| 01:17.45 | geo-rge | or similar |
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| 01:17.53 | Vannoda | police -_-' |
| 01:17.54 | ding | Help |
| 01:18.04 | Vannoda | i dont think police can do antying against some russian kids |
| 01:18.08 | Vannoda | in theother side of the world |
| 01:18.09 | Vannoda | -_-, |
| 01:18.28 | geo-rge | is your web server colocated? |
| 01:18.37 | Vannoda | its dedicated server |
| 01:18.45 | geo-rge | at your home? |
| 01:18.54 | Vannoda | enterprise place |
| 01:18.59 | Vannoda | not home -_-' |
| 01:19.04 | Vannoda | i cannot afford such system at home llol |
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| 01:19.58 | Vannoda | so no one has an idea -_-' |
| 01:20.10 | geo-rge | ok, be aware that this enterprise place is being hacked because you are being hacked... |
| 01:20.37 | Vannoda | nah i am not.. someone just spam a open session no stop at the port 8888 |
| 01:21.01 | Vannoda | and i cannot trace it since.. i recieve a lot of open session at port 888 |
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| 01:21.21 | Sebboh | open proxy? |
| 01:21.26 | geo-rge | the enterprise may not only have the right to kill off your server, but also confiscate any eqpt and charge you for the time they spend dealing with it (at very expensive hourly rates) |
| 01:21.58 | Vannoda | nah its not proxy =/ |
| 01:22.08 | Vannoda | im the boss of the enterprise i cannot charge myself anything xD |
| 01:22.13 | Sebboh | do a netstat -ap to see which processes are involved with port 8888. If a rootkit is involved, you won't be able to see it, though. |
| 01:22.19 | fuzza | Vannoda: I still don't get why iftop etc wouldn't work... doesn't matter how much other traffic there is, if it's a DOS it should by definition be by far the largest amount of traffic (or else it sounds like you're too near capacity), and since iftop sorts by volume of traffic... |
| 01:22.26 | geo-rge | Vannoda: the bandwidth they are using is the provider's bandwidth, and they might react to that |
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| 01:23.10 | Vannoda | sebboh.. i got a client program supprot runing on port 8888 |
| 01:23.23 | Vannoda | and a lil kids spam tat port so my clients cannot conenct to the port 8888 anymore |
| 01:23.27 | geo-rge | you might give them a heads up... if you don't and they have to discover it on their own, you might find yourself without a provider soon |
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| 01:23.50 | geo-rge | maybe you should read your AUP |
| 01:24.01 | Vannoda | aup? |
| 01:24.17 | geo-rge | the contract you signed for the service |
| 01:24.32 | NaufraGo | what browser do you suggest me to use? |
| 01:24.40 | Vannoda | links :D |
| 01:24.40 | geo-rge | any one you want |
| 01:24.42 | dvs | NaufraGo: icedove |
| 01:24.56 | geo-rge | try a lot and see what YOU think |
| 01:24.59 | dvs | oops! I mean iceweasel |
| 01:25.01 | Vannoda | geo-rge.. i want to know how to find the hacker ;/ |
| 01:25.07 | Vannoda | to avoid futur such program. |
| 01:25.31 | geo-rge | Vannoda: I'd suggest you call your provider |
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| 01:25.57 | Sebboh | Vannoda, yes, call your provider. |
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| 01:26.36 | chronographer | hi all |
| 01:26.37 | Vannoda | XD |
| 01:27.18 | chronographer | anyone good at halping noobs with synaptic on xfce? |
| 01:27.50 | Sebboh | Users are lucky they don't have an off switch. :/ |
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| 01:28.04 | chronographer | in xfce? |
| 01:29.05 | chronographer | runprog in terminal (mousepad and synaptic) |
| 01:29.07 | chronographer | produces the following |
| 01:29.07 | chronographer | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 01:29.07 | chronographer | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 01:29.07 | chronographer | :Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 01:29.07 | *** kick/#debian [chronographer!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 01:29.50 | fuzza | "paster bot"? that's a new one... |
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| 01:30.15 | Sebboh | yeah you msg the bot your paste.. and it puts it on a webpage, or something, I guess. |
| 01:30.21 | Ronin | fuzza: paster |
| 01:30.33 | Ronin | similar to pastbin.com |
| 01:30.54 | fuzza | yeah, I see it |
| 01:31.03 | fuzza | haven't been on here for quite a while :-/ |
| 01:31.06 | Lamperi | Vitsi. |
| 01:31.52 | fuzza | got a weird vpn problem... I'm connecting a standard chap vpn (no mppe) to a remote site with sarge, and the vpn connects fine, gets ip addresses and routes, etc; but I can't get any response from the other private end (pings, telnets, etc), either from the direct remote end or from another machine on that network which I know exists |
| 01:31.59 | fuzza | however it works fine under xp, and the routing looks much the same; any ideas? |
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| 01:34.22 | eegore | I am trying to do a grub instal but it comes back with /dev/hda: Not found or not a block device. |
| 01:35.04 | eegore | Is ther a way to get the /proc files from the live dc to work in the chroot? |
| 01:36.43 | kgoetz | eegore: bind it in |
| 01:36.51 | kgoetz | mount --bind /proc /chroot/proc |
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| 01:38.50 | eegore | mount: mount point /chroot/proc does not exist <== |
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| 01:39.43 | eegore | kgoetz: ^ |
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| 01:40.40 | kgoetz | eegore: replace /chroot/ with the path to your chroot |
| 01:42.08 | eegore | all I want to do is get the grub to install into hda |
| 01:42.41 | jelly-home | eegore: you can mount proc at multiple points, and guess what, it's always the same |
| 01:43.58 | liable | i dont think you even need to chroot for that |
| 01:44.25 | jelly-home | probably, but it's easier that way |
| 01:44.36 | jelly-home | no additional knowledge req'd |
| 01:45.05 | liable | eegore: have you actually chrooted in? |
| 01:45.29 | liable | eegore: chroot in, and just do 'mount /proc' |
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| 01:48.29 | eegore | same crap |
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| 01:49.22 | capiira | hi |
| 01:50.06 | liable | eegore: are you actually chrooted in? whats 'mount' show? |
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| 01:50.45 | capiira | hmmm i saw someting about dm-crypt in the lastest etch netinstall cd. Will that gives me the possibility to crypt whole root before installing ? |
| 01:51.28 | eegore | only Hdb1 |
| 01:51.36 | eegore | hda is not mounted |
| 01:52.03 | capiira | ah ok |
| 01:52.16 | eegore | liable: ^ |
| 01:52.29 | liable | eegore: wtf? is grub on another disk than your debian install? |
| 01:53.25 | capiira | that "only hdb1" was for me ? |
| 01:53.30 | eegore | this is a three boot machine, windows for work apps, 32 bit for daily apps and 64 bit for testing |
| 01:53.31 | liable | no |
| 01:53.49 | liable | yes, and whats on hda, and whats on hdb |
| 01:54.06 | eegore | hdb is 32 bit deb |
| 01:54.21 | capiira | a=system b=porn movies? |
| 01:54.23 | liable | which disk has grub in the mbr? |
| 01:54.29 | eegore | hda hda |
| 01:54.35 | capiira | :) |
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| 01:55.04 | liable | eegore: so mount hda then, you might want to run grub interactively for this one |
| 01:55.18 | capiira | so anyone know about dm-crpt using etch net-install cd? |
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| 01:56.36 | chronographer | hi all |
| 01:56.44 | eegore | liable: mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 01:56.48 | blujay | capiira: what's the problem? |
| 01:57.23 | chronographer | I need some advice from an expert! |
| 01:57.23 | capiira | i just want to know i little bit more about it |
| 01:57.23 | raz0 | capiira, I've got it installed on my laptop. |
| 01:57.23 | liable | eegore: run 'grub'; root <tab> |
| 01:57.29 | liable | eegore: whats it output? |
| 01:57.31 | capiira | if its possible to let the etch installer crypt root |
| 01:57.38 | raz0 | capiira, It is. |
| 01:57.40 | capiira | and install directly on root |
| 01:57.46 | blujay | capiira: you should probably read the release notes for the d-i then |
| 01:58.17 | raz0 | capiira, I installed an encrypted root in LVM via the installer. |
| 01:58.28 | chronographer | I am running etch with xfce and installed synaptic with apt-get as root, now when I try to run synaptic as user i get an error, I must log in as root to be able to run synaptic... |
| 01:58.34 | capiira | is LVM required? |
| 01:58.41 | chronographer | I want to run synaptic from logged in as user! |
| 01:58.44 | blujay | chronographer: that's right, you have to run it as root |
| 01:58.46 | eegore | liable: I have a list of commands |
| 01:59.00 | raz0 | chronographer, use one of the GUI su apps. |
| 01:59.03 | blujay | chronographer: I don't know about xfce, but kde and gnome have progs like kdesu that run it as root for you |
| 01:59.07 | chronographer | ok, so I log in as root, run synaptic and evderything i install will be available for user? |
| 01:59.17 | liable | eegore: root ( then hit tab |
| 01:59.43 | raz0 | chronographer, I wouldn't recommend logging in as root to do it. Just use a GUI su app. |
| 01:59.45 | blujay | chronographer: what you need is gksu or kdesu |
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| 02:00.01 | blujay | chronographer: run "which gksu" or "which kdesu" and see if you have them |
| 02:00.03 | raz0 | capiira, Don't think so. |
| 02:00.08 | chronographer | ok thx, any idea where and what app i should use? |
| 02:00.09 | raz0 | capiira, But you might as well? :) |
| 02:00.22 | eegore | liable: Possible commands are: root rootnoverify |
| 02:00.23 | capiira | i dont know nothing about LVM |
| 02:00.25 | capiira | hehe |
| 02:00.37 | chronographer | is there an 'xsu'? |
| 02:00.40 | capiira | wikipedia is not really helping too |
| 02:00.43 | capiira | :) |
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| 02:00.53 | liable | eegore: erm, what exactly did you type to start grub? |
| 02:01.21 | raz0 | capiira, Not much to know. It's just a layer on top of regular partitions to allow arbitrary resizing; even while mounted, if you use the right FS. |
| 02:01.22 | chronographer | which gksu and kdesu returns nothing! |
| 02:01.32 | blujay | chronographer: try to install gksu or kdesu |
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| 02:01.40 | capiira | ohh |
| 02:01.41 | eegore | grub |
| 02:01.41 | capiira | nice |
| 02:01.42 | liable | chronographer: theres a 'sux' |
| 02:01.53 | raz0 | capiira, Should be straight forward, if you use the installer. I just used the guided tour. |
| 02:02.03 | liable | eegore: then? |
| 02:02.09 | raz0 | capiira, And tweaked the settings it came up with a bit. |
| 02:02.09 | blujay | chronographer: yeah, it looks like sux is what you need |
| 02:02.10 | capiira | but dont really supports a ntfs partition on same disk or ? |
| 02:02.16 | chronographer | sux for xfce? I am getting gksu anyway... |
| 02:02.25 | eegore | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time |
| 02:02.38 | liable | yep, then? |
| 02:02.40 | chronographer | but maybe I will remove it and get sux |
| 02:02.42 | raz0 | capiira, No. Anything in LVM can't be accessed from Windows, if that's what you're getting at. |
| 02:02.47 | chronographer | thx |
| 02:02.54 | eegore | then the grub ternminal |
| 02:02.56 | chronographer | now when I install that as root I will be able to run as user? |
| 02:03.03 | raz0 | capiira, Of course you could easily have a NTFS partition alongside your LVM volume. |
| 02:03.33 | liable | eegore: root ( then tab key |
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| 02:03.52 | liable | eegore: dont forget the ( |
| 02:04.00 | capiira | ahh and its possible to increase the lvm size later when i delete the ntfs after backuping the data? |
| 02:04.10 | blujay | chronographer: run "man sux" and then find out the syntax, then run "sux -u root synaptic" or whatever is the right way according to the man page |
| 02:04.38 | chronographer | ok sure |
| 02:04.45 | chronographer | thx |
| 02:04.47 | eegore | grub> root ( |
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| 02:05.16 | raz0 | capiira, Well, I don't think it's possible to make it 'one' partition again, but LVM volues are made up of one or more partitions, so you could just add the empty space (as a new partition) to LVM. |
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| 02:06.11 | capiira | ahh ok :) |
| 02:06.39 | capiira | nice nice |
| 02:07.30 | liable | eegore: still with us? |
| 02:07.36 | raz0 | capiira, Basicly you group partitions into a Volume Group, and then you split that volume group into logical volues which are the equivalent of a disk partition. |
| 02:07.38 | eegore | yeah |
| 02:07.51 | raz0 | and then you create a filesystem on each logical volume. |
| 02:07.57 | liable | eegore: so, what does it show after you hit tab? what partitions does it list? |
| 02:08.27 | eegore | none |
| 02:08.41 | liable | it just sits there at root ( ?? |
| 02:08.48 | raz0 | capiira, It's really not that complicated. Just an abstraction layer on top of the regular partitions. You can see a nice simple diagram over at http://www.die.net/doc/linux/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO-4.html |
| 02:08.51 | liable | hit tab a few times |
| 02:08.54 | raz0 | Should explaint it pretty good. |
| 02:09.05 | raz0 | *explain |
| 02:09.08 | eegore | Possible commands are: root rootnoverify |
| 02:09.11 | capiira | yep |
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| 02:10.01 | Dewi | raz0: hey cool, I was seconds away from googling that :P |
| 02:10.14 | capiira | and the empty space outside that volume group can be inserted later? or does lvm takes it automaticaly after deleting the ntfs |
| 02:10.43 | liable | eegore: thats not right. exit that shell. |
| 02:10.46 | raz0 | capiira, Well. As you can see from the diagram (lower one), you group partitions into a volume group. |
| 02:11.01 | liable | eegore: what live cd are you using? |
| 02:11.11 | raz0 | capiira, So when you delete your NTFS partitions, you create a new partition in the empty space, and add that to the volume group |
| 02:11.27 | capiira | ahhh fine |
| 02:11.32 | eegore | I tried the knoppix, and edgy 64 |
| 02:11.43 | Dewi | raz0: is xfs very easy to resize? |
| 02:12.02 | capiira | should i go with ext3? |
| 02:12.07 | eegore | DSL wont boot |
| 02:12.16 | raz0 | Dewi, Don't know. Have never used it. You can resize any FS in LVM though. |
| 02:12.23 | liable | eegore: use the knoppix one. remount your drives rw once its booted, and chroot into hdb1 |
| 02:12.39 | Dewi | raz0: if my FS bridges, say, 4 disks, what exactly will I have left if one fails? :P |
| 02:13.01 | eegore | ok if it boots, knoppix has had issues with my machine before |
| 02:13.23 | liable | eegore: what about the debian installer? |
| 02:13.27 | raz0 | Dewi, If you bridge them into one volume group with LVM? Don't know. I have never bridged across disk. :) |
| 02:13.45 | capiira | looks like a nice way to create software raid |
| 02:13.51 | raz0 | Dewi, I'd guess you get the same problems as in RAID 0, but I don't know. |
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| 02:14.02 | Dewi | raz0: it's so tempting... I am thinking of doing it for a big 4-disk "backups only" array. That way failures wouldn't be catastrophes, but it could be very useful :P |
| 02:14.20 | chronographer | hey I rttied: gksu -u root synaptic and it returned an error "Gtk-WARNING cannot open display" still |
| 02:14.33 | chronographer | *tried |
| 02:14.40 | liable | chronographer: dont use '-u root' |
| 02:14.45 | raz0 | capiira, I though about that too, though I don't know whether you will get the benefits of say RAID 0. |
| 02:14.52 | eegore | got to find that one |
| 02:14.53 | chronographer | oh.. use what then? |
| 02:14.54 | liable | chronographer: gksu synaptic |
| 02:14.57 | chronographer | k |
| 02:15.10 | capiira | and how much cpu will be used |
| 02:15.17 | chronographer | same error |
| 02:15.22 | capiira | maybe it lags the whole system |
| 02:15.27 | chronographer | hold on |
| 02:15.54 | raz0 | capiira, Don't know. I don't think it's that bad. I use dm-crypt in LVM on my laptop, and I haven't noticed any slowdown. |
| 02:16.08 | capiira | cool thank you very much |
| 02:16.09 | itchi | chronographer: Do you do that remotely? |
| 02:16.22 | capiira | i was going to do everything manualy |
| 02:16.31 | capiira | you saved me a whole day |
| 02:16.33 | capiira | hehe |
| 02:16.35 | Dewi | capiira: another benefit is snapshots |
| 02:16.41 | chronographer | actually, it works, I was still su as root |
| 02:16.45 | raz0 | capiira, It's much easier with the installer, for sure. :p |
| 02:16.53 | chronographer | so new terminal works! |
| 02:17.01 | capiira | snapshots? |
| 02:17.02 | itchi | !beer chronographer |
| 02:17.05 | Dewi | capiira: you can freeze a disk at a specific moment and backup from that, instead of a live disk where things are changing all the time |
| 02:17.07 | raz0 | capiira, And it's probably set up by people that know about how a secure setup should be. |
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| 02:17.16 | chronographer | thk you very much |
| 02:17.25 | capiira | cool |
| 02:17.59 | capiira | and whats happen if psu broke? |
| 02:18.00 | Dewi | capiira: I've never done it, but I've always wanted to play with that, and apparently LVM 2 even has writeable snapshots. so you can sort of... er... fork a disk and experiment with different "possibilities" |
| 02:18.07 | Dewi | capiira: I can't think of a sane practical use for this however :) |
| 02:18.18 | capiira | :) |
| 02:18.32 | raz0 | capiira, If the PSU breaks? |
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| 02:18.47 | capiira | power supply |
| 02:19.01 | raz0 | Yes, I know. But what should happen? :) |
| 02:19.11 | raz0 | I mean.. the power will probably go. :P |
| 02:19.14 | capiira | will lvm or partitions get corrupted easy |
| 02:19.31 | raz0 | capiira, Nope. Not if you use a journaled FS. |
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| 02:19.41 | capiira | ext3 |
| 02:19.46 | raz0 | is journaled. |
| 02:19.55 | Dewi | capiira: LVM and the partitions don't change often; only things that change often are at risk to power failures and need journalling etc |
| 02:20.23 | Dewi | capiira: however if you are resizing a filesystem or doing a snapshot at the time your power fails, this is obviously less ideal :P |
| 02:20.36 | capiira | ;) |
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| 02:20.49 | dylan_ | Are there any people in here who don't use X? |
| 02:20.57 | moparisthebest | is there any way to tell what kind of processor and ram a computer has from the command line? |
| 02:21.01 | capiira | and ext3 is good or should i use something else? |
| 02:21.08 | dylan_ | capiira, ext3 is stable |
| 02:21.10 | raz0 | capiira, It's fine. I use it. |
| 02:21.30 | raz0 | capiira, I'm not that adventures when it gets to keeping my files safe. :p |
| 02:21.35 | capiira | yeah |
| 02:22.01 | raz0 | and ext3 is pretty fast too. It's not like reiser4 or xfs are tons faster |
| 02:22.09 | dylan_ | raz0, isn't that odd? |
| 02:22.11 | raz0 | except for very specific uses, perhaps. |
| 02:22.13 | dylan_ | ext3 is great! |
| 02:22.45 | capiira | yeah im not going to use reiser stuff sine the headllines ;) |
| 02:22.50 | capiira | since |
| 02:22.52 | raz0 | haha |
| 02:23.09 | capiira | and kill my files |
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| 02:24.02 | polishkoop | I'm on a thinkpad t60 laptop, and I am trying to install debian etch, however It doesn't detect my cd-rom when I try the net-install cd. What can I do? |
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| 02:24.47 | capiira | i laughed few days ago so much because of a forum user comment |
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| 02:25.28 | capiira | he wrote that reiser maybe fragmented his wife thats why they cant find her |
| 02:25.37 | fuzza | moparisthebest: cat /proc/cpuinfo and cat /proc/meminfo should do it |
| 02:25.50 | moparisthebest | thank you fuzza :) |
| 02:26.03 | fuzza | no worries |
| 02:26.06 | liable | polishkoop: switch to another vt and see if modprobing ide-cd helps |
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| 02:26.21 | littleboy | hey, i have one question |
| 02:26.25 | littleboy | why don't debian have rc.local ? |
| 02:26.33 | capiira | bad humor can be funny sometimes |
| 02:27.16 | liable | littleboy: compatibility mostly, lots of people complain when coming from other distros that theres no rc.local |
| 02:27.33 | littleboy | which distro don't have rc.local |
| 02:27.41 | capiira | suse |
| 02:27.52 | littleboy | what about users from slackware,redhat,fedora, ... ? |
| 02:28.04 | polishkoop | liable: what is vt? I am not that experienced with linux. |
| 02:28.05 | littleboy | which are, of course, majority ? |
| 02:28.16 | littleboy | (don't know about ubuntu now) |
| 02:28.18 | capiira | suse customized their distro to hell |
| 02:28.27 | liable | polishkoop: hit alt + f3 or f4 |
| 02:28.32 | sya | is Windows media connect for linux available? |
| 02:28.36 | liable | polishkoop: virtual terminal |
| 02:28.48 | littleboy | capiira, that's one distro. i don't know any other that don't use rc.local |
| 02:28.59 | capiira | yeah |
| 02:29.17 | capiira | lindows maybe? |
| 02:29.40 | polishkoop | liable: I did that, i went back to the installer, and it still won't detect it |
| 02:29.42 | littleboy | what the fck... who cares about lindows, who's gonna put that on their servers or shit. |
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| 02:29.49 | capiira | lol |
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| 02:30.11 | eegore | now I can't find the bloddy knoppix dvd |
| 02:30.23 | tuv | download it |
| 02:30.30 | capiira | i hope your not on modem |
| 02:30.39 | h3sp4wn | rc.local is on my system (just exits 0 but its there) |
| 02:30.42 | tuv | i must have at least 3 knoppix cd/dvds |
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| 02:31.25 | capiira | someone is trying to force you to use debian |
| 02:31.51 | liable | polishkoop: what error does it give? |
| 02:31.54 | littleboy | rc.local is on my system too, but that's because i put it there to be. |
| 02:32.01 | littleboy | but i'm interested why it's not a default. |
| 02:32.17 | polishkoop | No common cd-rom drive was detected. keep in mind that i am on a laptop |
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| 02:33.27 | polishkoop | liable: "No common cd-rom drive was detected." keep in mind that I am on a laptop, it might possibly use sata |
| 02:33.53 | liable | polishkoop: nah, the cdrom is pata (i have a t60p) |
| 02:34.20 | liable | or ide or whatever you wanna call it |
| 02:34.50 | polishkoop | liable: sarge detected my cdrom, but not my ethernet. But i don't want sarge i just used to see if it would recognize it. |
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| 02:36.00 | liable | polishkoop: i have seen this problem lots in here, but never really seen a solution. weird especially because it installed fine on my t60p |
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| 02:36.16 | liable | polishkoop: is your hard drive in ahci mode in bios? |
| 02:36.24 | polishkoop | liable: compatability i believe |
| 02:36.30 | itchi | liable: You are a king :-) |
| 02:36.51 | liable | polishkoop: try ahci, it may be causing driver conflicts |
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| 02:37.16 | liable | itchi: um, thanks.. :P |
| 02:38.08 | polishkoop | liable: will that mess up my windows os? I needed it on compatability,at least at one point, to format my hard drive. |
| 02:39.22 | liable | polishkoop: eww, i have no idea about what it will do to windows. if windows has the right driver (which it should) i dont see why it would mess it up, but.. i really cant say. |
| 02:39.56 | polishkoop | liable: you are a God, it is working now. |
| 02:39.56 | Treibholz | any suggestions for a cool groupware? |
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| 02:40.02 | polishkoop | liable: one last thing, do you think debian etch is a decent choice for a laptop linux distribution? |
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| 02:40.54 | liable | polishkoop: yes, but it will take a little tweaking to get suspend working, not everything works out of the box (but i like doing a little tweaking, you learn stuff) |
| 02:41.03 | kgoetz | Treibholz: i havent found any good foss groupware |
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| 02:41.37 | liable | polishkoop: you will need to install wireless drivers too, they are packaged for debian now though. |
| 02:42.03 | polishkoop | liable: yeah i should be able to figure that out. I have used debian before. I just ended up falling back on it after unsuccessfully trying gentoo |
| 02:42.08 | ilovemypuppy | you know I tried out ubuntu's LTS release and debian testing just smokes it - is there a place I can see a schedule for etch being moved to stable? |
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| 02:42.24 | Treibholz | kgoetz: It just can't be, there is no real alternative to the exchange/outlook-combination... |
| 02:42.30 | Dewi | ilovemypuppy: the schedule is "as soon as the release-critical bugs count gets low enough" |
| 02:42.37 | Dewi | ilovemypuppy: etch is currently frozen |
| 02:42.47 | wastrel | etch is frozen eh |
| 02:43.04 | capiira | but testing in the source list continues updating |
| 02:43.11 | Dewi | capiira: bug fixes |
| 02:43.13 | itchi | wastrel: Yeah, cold weather |
| 02:43.15 | kgoetz | Treibholz: there is no real alternative. there are about 6 half baked (and good potential) things, but none there yet |
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| 02:43.27 | capiira | ah ok |
| 02:43.35 | Dewi | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 02:43.50 | Dewi | ^ the announcement on dec 11 |
| 02:44.25 | Treibholz | Krux0: yes, there are ways. |
| 02:44.26 | ilovemypuppy | ok, frozen is good |
| 02:44.31 | capiira | with the proper knowledge and and enough computers to compile |
| 02:44.33 | ilovemypuppy | Frozen is almost stable |
| 02:44.39 | ilovemypuppy | no wonder it works so well! |
| 02:45.08 | Dewi | ilovemypuppy: yeah, I'm about to nuke a machine and give it a go |
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| 02:45.27 | Dewi | ilovemypuppy: I probably won't install anything but minimal essentials until stable |
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| 02:45.38 | Dewi | ilovemypuppy: so it should be pretty smooth |
| 02:48.09 | Krux0 | Treobholz: any idea where the manual might be for that procedure? |
| 02:48.40 | Treibholz | Krux0: look for the build-daemon |
| 02:49.30 | Krux0 | Treibholz: Thanks |
| 02:49.42 | phogg | Krux0: good luck |
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| 02:50.45 | wastrel | netinstall floppies |
| 02:50.53 | wastrel | or whatever they're called nowadays |
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| 02:51.15 | graphyx | why does it say that I have to install x11-common to get the mtr program installed? Does it have a gui component that I am not familiar with? |
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| 02:58.11 | Cyis | graphyx: yes there is a GUI feature of it... |
| 02:58.12 | capiira | cya later m going to install etch on a cryted lvm ext3 |
| 02:58.40 | capiira | may the luck be with me! |
| 02:58.42 | Cyis | bah... I leave crypted filesystems to my USB drives and swap |
| 02:59.00 | capiira | nah i'm paranoid |
| 02:59.22 | Cyis | hence the USB drive and encrypted swap |
| 02:59.26 | capiira | ans usually use storys as passwords |
| 02:59.28 | capiira | d |
| 02:59.36 | Cyis | swap encryption key is generated from /dev/urandom each reboot |
| 02:59.38 | capiira | 30-40 signs |
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| 02:59.44 | graphyx | Cyis: That is what I figured. Thanks. |
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| 03:00.08 | n0ugat | kernel challenge, anyone familiar with pl2303? |
| 03:00.20 | Cyis | and I have separate USB drives for my primary GPG keyring and the crippled subkeys-only GPG keyring |
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| 03:00.49 | itchi | capiira: Hangry that someone have physically access to your boxes? |
| 03:00.56 | capiira | yeah im not 100% legal ;) |
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| 03:01.09 | itchi | capiira: Use free stuff :-) |
| 03:01.12 | Cyis | capiira: who is :) |
| 03:01.21 | capiira | free mp3 and vids? |
| 03:01.23 | capiira | hehe |
| 03:01.29 | capiira | must be good |
| 03:01.30 | Cyis | I refuse to pay for MicroCrap... |
| 03:01.37 | jelly-home | Hi, I'm trying to make debconf show a question again with "db_fset package/question seen false" before doing a db_input for that question, but it doesn't ask me. How come? |
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| 03:02.05 | itchi | capiira: He, why does it matters to crypt it, if you have some troubles, believe it, these will decrypt your hdd, whatever time it gona take, it can been done |
| 03:02.51 | Cyis | not to mention if you're in the States and they can tell it's encrypted... the court can compel ya to provide the key |
| 03:02.52 | capiira | i hope i can hold them for 6 years brute force |
| 03:03.02 | capiira | nah im not im n germany |
| 03:03.05 | itchi | capiira: Take an hdd on lan (wifi), an hidden it between the floor :-p |
| 03:03.15 | capiira | lol |
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| 03:03.36 | efaistos | hi |
| 03:03.42 | capiira | after 6 years they cant do anything agains me |
| 03:03.46 | capiira | its the law here |
| 03:03.48 | itchi | capiira: Not 6 years, yeah maybe with my 133 |
| 03:03.57 | efaistos | does someone use procmail + fetchmail + postfix and mutt ? |
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| 03:04.42 | efaistos | I don't understand why I cant anymore get any mails in mutt ... fechmail gets them but there are not filtered by procmail i think ... |
| 03:04.46 | capiira | what would be enough to brute force in less years using aes256? |
| 03:04.48 | efaistos | but I cant find the maisl |
| 03:05.11 | itchi | capiira: Crazy guy :-p |
| 03:05.24 | Cyis | itchi: I'll second that... more trouble than it's worth to me |
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| 03:05.40 | capiira | :) |
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| 03:06.09 | HULK | hi there, some one online? |
| 03:06.13 | Cyis | hmm... need to see how LUKS works on making CD/DVD images |
| 03:06.22 | itchi | capiira: Put an hdd on lan with wifi and crypt it ;-) Who gona find that :-) Not these that it need it |
| 03:06.26 | capiira | i mean it there exist a organisation that brute force keys using somethink like seti |
| 03:06.43 | efaistos | i just checked the date of my /var/mail/efaistos file and it seems to be not modified since 22 december but fetchmail is getting the mail apparently when i launch fetchmail |
| 03:06.46 | capiira | with 1000+ of pcs |
| 03:06.49 | itchi | capiira: Seti@home?? |
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| 03:07.01 | capiira | nah |
| 03:07.03 | itchi | capiira: You mean the clusters |
| 03:07.11 | Cyis | itchi: he is prolly talking about the distributed.net rc5 cracking contest |
| 03:07.15 | capiira | just something that works like |
| 03:07.21 | itchi | capiira: Many computers connected togheter to share the cpu |
| 03:07.26 | capiira | yep |
| 03:07.43 | itchi | Cyis: I'm not so crazy :-) |
| 03:07.47 | capiira | and took them 4 years for a 56bit |
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| 03:08.01 | ilovemypuppy | OpenMosix! |
| 03:08.18 | capiira | now they are bruteforcing 72bit since 2002 or so |
| 03:08.24 | Cyis | itchi: nor I.. I just encrypted my GPG keyrings, my private SSH identity keys and my OpenVPN X.509 certs |
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| 03:09.21 | Cyis | I have one encrypted USB drive with my primary GPG keys stored in my safe... another with only the crippled GPG keys (subkeys only) that I use daily for checking email, uploading packages, etc |
| 03:09.37 | HULK | hello, i need some help with my hardware. can some one help? |
| 03:09.41 | capiira | i prefer long passwords |
| 03:09.57 | capiira | 30+ signs |
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| 03:10.12 | Cyis | capiira: my passphrases are several words long |
| 03:10.34 | capiira | it its word maybe easy to bruteforce |
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| 03:10.45 | capiira | using a dictonary as source |
| 03:10.48 | capiira | heh |
| 03:11.11 | Cyis | not if when put together they only make sense to the user... a dictionary attack will not figure that |
| 03:11.44 | itchi | capiira: Use GodSexAndLove as password :-) |
| 03:11.52 | blujay | Cyis: what do you mean, crippled GPG keys? |
| 03:12.29 | itchi | capiira: You know, there are doctors that can help you ;-) |
| 03:12.34 | Cyis | blujay: the USB drive I carry daily only has the subkeys not the primary keys (I have 3 GPG keys) |
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| 03:13.01 | Cyis | blujay: With my "crippled" keyring you can't sign any other keys or issue new subkeys as that requires the primary key |
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| 03:13.21 | blujay | Cyis: I see...I didn't know subkeys had that limitatino |
| 03:13.33 | Cyis | blujay: if my USB drive with my crippled keyring is compromised I can simply go home, grab my safe and revoke the existing subkeys and issue new subkeys |
| 03:13.44 | blujay | Cyis: I see...very cool |
| 03:13.48 | Cyis | I also expire my subkeys every 24-30 months |
| 03:13.59 | blujay | Cyis: what size are your subkeys? |
| 03:14.08 | capiira | i do something like that! i invent a personal story based on something of my life like: "2 years ago i banged a nice girl" and then it becomes 2y<-Iban( . )( . ) |
| 03:14.10 | Cyis | when I get my key signed they're signing my primary key not the subkeys.. |
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| 03:14.41 | capiira | just an example :) |
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| 03:15.48 | Cyis | blujay: just grab 'jbouse@debian.org' from keyring.debian.org |
| 03:15.59 | Flaim | Hi.. I've got a package stuck in a halfway install state. It won't complete install, and since it's the kernel-image package that I'm booting from, I can't remove it.. Any ideas? |
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| 03:16.04 | rubeno | Hi, why is a good idea to create a /boot partition with ext2 instead of ext3? |
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| 03:16.30 | mphill | a shitty kernel can read it? |
| 03:16.36 | Cyis | I currently use a 4096 bit encryption key and a 1024 bit signing key |
| 03:16.39 | blujay | Cyis: ok...I was just thinking, I have a 4096 byte key...I decided to go with the largest size when I created it...about 4-5 years ago I think. so with such a large key, why bother expiring every few years? |
| 03:17.38 | Cyis | blujay: just the policy I setup for my key management... nothing prevents me from extending the expiration of a key before it expires and getting it uploaded to the keyservers |
| 03:17.48 | blujay | yeah |
| 03:17.56 | capiira | okay im off to install |
| 03:18.02 | capiira | ciao |
| 03:18.06 | blujay | Cyis: now here's one last question...what happens if your USB key develops a defect? |
| 03:18.10 | itchi | capiira: wait |
| 03:18.15 | capiira | what? |
| 03:18.22 | itchi | capiira: Need you an good contact? A good doctor? |
| 03:18.28 | capiira | hehe |
| 03:18.29 | capiira | :) |
| 03:18.30 | itchi | capiira: :-p |
| 03:18.32 | capiira | nah |
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| 03:18.35 | capiira | its okay so |
| 03:18.47 | itchi | capiira: If you say it :-) |
| 03:18.47 | Cyis | blujay: CD/DVD backup... also in my safe are print-outs of the keys and revocation certificates |
| 03:19.10 | blujay | Cyis: printouts?! wow...that'd be a lot of data to retype :) or scan... |
| 03:19.12 | capiira | :) we are all a little bit crazy |
| 03:19.24 | itchi | capiira: Speak for yourself haha |
| 03:19.32 | capiira | :) |
| 03:19.53 | Cyis | blujay: also since my full primary keyring is on a USB drive that I only use when performing key maintenance (signing and generating/revoking subkeys) it gets less usage so in theory will last longer |
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| 03:20.17 | Flaim | do your USB drives have a history of breaking? |
| 03:20.24 | Cyis | blujay: OCR scan if possible otherwise type by hand... considered my last resort if the USB drives and CD/DVD backups fail |
| 03:20.25 | capiira | okay :) cya |
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| 03:20.31 | capiira | pufff |
| 03:20.35 | Cyis | Flaim: I've never had one fail on me yet |
| 03:20.39 | itchi | cafuego_: :-p |
| 03:20.41 | blujay | Cyis: yeah...well, sounds like you have all your bases covered...other than your safe being stolen :) |
| 03:20.42 | itchi | oeps |
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| 03:20.51 | cafuego_ | whut mot je? |
| 03:20.52 | Cyis | I also have an encrypted SmartMedia backup of my primary keyring |
| 03:21.07 | itchi | cafuego_: I shooted the bad guy, sorry ;-) |
| 03:21.20 | Cyis | blujay: chances of that happening are slim |
| 03:21.23 | Flaim | hm, that might be a good use for the 32MB drive that ended up in my stocking.. surely not useful for much else. heh |
| 03:21.28 | blujay | yeah |
| 03:21.47 | Cyis | blujay: considering the other stuff in the safe... there's much more valuable things in the house to walk off with |
| 03:21.54 | blujay | yeah :) |
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| 03:22.15 | Flaim | heh, i keep my passport and 2 revs of backups in my safe. and that'sabout it. heheh |
| 03:22.19 | blujay | Cyis: I back mine up to a remote server with duplicity too, in a symmetric-mode |
| 03:22.54 | Cyis | blujay: thing is my primary keyring is never on any server... GPG reads it right from the USB drive |
| 03:23.23 | blujay | Cyis: yeah, that's cool...hehe, did you wipe the disk after you moved it to the key? =) |
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| 03:23.50 | Flaim | I'd be more worried about losing the drive.. |
| 03:24.06 | Flaim | or do you have it on one of those biometric usb drives? |
| 03:24.07 | blujay | Flaim: I'm just kidding :) |
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| 03:24.52 | Endgamer | Anyone here a user of the Gandi domain registrar? |
| 03:24.57 | Cyis | blujay: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4941 |
| 03:25.00 | wastrel | i don't have a safe |
| 03:25.03 | wastrel | or a passport |
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| 03:25.59 | blujay | Cyis: cool...why a makefile instead of a bash script? |
| 03:26.13 | Cyis | Flaim: If the USB drive with the subkeys is stolen or lost I go home and revoke the subkeys and generate new ones |
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| 03:26.56 | Cyis | blujay: simple to cd into that drive on my USB key and do a 'make restore' or 'make backup' it builds out my ~/.gnupg directory on a new machine to read the keys and use my current configuration |
| 03:26.59 | Flaim | sounds like lots of work. heh |
| 03:27.35 | blujay | Cyis: cool...I don't really grok makefiles yet...I'll have to study it |
| 03:27.39 | Cyis | Flaim: Should see my companies policies :) probably make more use of GPG at work than with Debian |
| 03:27.49 | wastrel | gpg |
| 03:27.52 | Flaim | heh cool.. |
| 03:28.15 | Flaim | gpg is cool stuff, I just don't use it much. not a whole lot of data I move around that requires signing |
| 03:28.19 | Flaim | or encrypting |
| 03:28.21 | Cyis | blujay: I have svn repos with all my system configurations setup with makefiles that can redeploy the system in one command... DNS, VPN, etc |
| 03:28.33 | Flaim | cyis: ok, that's pretty cool |
| 03:28.42 | blujay | Cyis: geez...is there a howto for that? :) |
| 03:28.43 | krazykit | Cyis: sheesh, you're on top of things. |
| 03:29.00 | Flaim | blujay: yea no kidding, you oughta wrote one, cyis. :) |
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| 03:29.37 | Cyis | A lot of what I have setup is stuff I've accumulated from multiple sources over the years... been doing IT work for the past 10 years |
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| 03:30.19 | wastrel | can i point evolution to a remote evolution-data-server instead of the one on localhost? |
| 03:30.58 | Cyis | the makedefs.mk that my Makefile references is just a simple file that defines settings specific to me... like DATE:=$(shell date +%F) to define how I want my 'make backup' to name the directory it copies the current config to |
| 03:31.29 | blujay | Cyis: you could write a linux.com article and get paid like $300 :) |
| 03:31.39 | blujay | Cyis: doesn't take much to get published there |
| 03:31.44 | Flaim | heh |
| 03:31.50 | blujay | Cyis: or maybe I'm thinking of newsforge...one or thje other |
| 03:32.31 | Cyis | and GPGKEYS is defined as "keyrings.d" ... so when I do a 'make restore it makes ~/.gnupg/keyring.d point to the 'pwd' on the USB drive that the Makefile is called from so my gpg.conf references my keyrings as $HOME/.gnupg/keyrings.d/pubring.pgp and $HOME/.gnupg/keyrings.d/secring.pgp |
| 03:33.00 | Cyis | blujay: I know several people at linuxgazette that already have asked me to write a couple articles |
| 03:33.45 | blujay | Cyis: you mean it makes symlinks for ~/.gnupg/keyring.d ? |
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| 03:34.12 | Flaim | ok, I'll try once more.. I've got a package stuck in a halfway install state. It won't complete install, and since it's the kernel-image package that I'm booting from, I can't remove it.. Any ideas? |
| 03:34.30 | Cyis | this is the policy URL placed on any key I sign currently... http://undergrid.net/legal/gpg/policy.20061219?md5sum=3557989c2b3557989c2b7ad182518af6a36f3568a0 |
| 03:34.32 | blujay | Flaim: why won't it complete configuration? |
| 03:34.39 | Flaim | wish I knew.. |
| 03:34.52 | blujay | Flaim: what error d oyuo get? |
| 03:35.00 | Flaim | I thought it was fine at one point, then when I did dist-upgrade it came back up |
| 03:35.01 | Flaim | one sec |
| 03:35.14 | Cyis | blujay: ~/.gnupg/keyrings.d is a symlink to the directory location on the USB drive... which on Debian etch is usually /media/usbdisk/private/gpg |
| 03:35.19 | blujay | Cyis: wow...kind of complicated but cool |
| 03:35.25 | Flaim | see #flood.. |
| 03:35.52 | Cyis | blujay: the symlink? or the policy URL? |
| 03:35.52 | blujay | the policy :) |
| 03:36.25 | blujay | Flaim: well, you have a dependency problem, it doesn't even start to install the package |
| 03:36.32 | Flaim | yeah I'm getting that |
| 03:36.37 | blujay | Flaim: what distro, version? why 2.4 instead of 2.6? |
| 03:36.41 | Flaim | or.. i'm just noticing that |
| 03:36.54 | Flaim | blujay: stable, and halfway through dist-upgrade |
| 03:37.04 | blujay | Flaim: dist upgrade from/to? |
| 03:37.04 | Cyis | blujay: well with the policy someone can see exactly how I handle my keys when deciding to trust a key signed by me |
| 03:37.09 | Flaim | from stable to testing |
| 03:37.13 | Flaim | sorry :) |
| 03:37.20 | blujay | Cyis: yep |
| 03:37.32 | blujay | Cyis: well, remember, that's not a supported upgrade...and etch isn't final yet |
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| 03:37.47 | blujay | Cyis: but anyway...have you tried explictly installing that dependency? |
| 03:38.09 | Cyis | blujay: and they way I operate... if my USB drive is not currently mounted the following would find nothing... find / -name '*ring.gpg' |
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| 03:38.28 | Flaim | I did.. it's not really a package, apparently. |
| 03:38.35 | Cyis | blujay: what's not a supported upgrade? |
| 03:38.38 | blujay | Cyis: that's cool...I hope someday that becomes automated from install...I don't depend on GPG enough to set up all that myself |
| 03:38.47 | Flaim | Cyis: i think he's talkin to me. heh |
| 03:38.50 | blujay | Cyis: upgrading from sarge to testing |
| 03:38.56 | blujay | doh, yeah, wrong person |
| 03:39.00 | Flaim | hehe |
| 03:39.19 | dutchfish | on a xenhost localhost does not resolve properly to 127.0.0.1 but to the adress of eth0, how can i solve this? |
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| 03:39.37 | blujay | Flaim: initrd-tools is only in unstable |
| 03:39.50 | Flaim | ok... |
| 03:39.54 | Cyis | dutchfish: domU or domO |
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| 03:40.11 | dutchfish | Cyis, domU |
| 03:40.14 | blujay | Flaim: I haven't checked, but that's probably an RC bug for Etch...if not maybe you should file one. but anyway, back to another question I asked...why 2.4 instead of 2.6? |
| 03:40.25 | Cyis | dutchfish: what's in your /etc/hosts? |
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| 03:40.38 | Flaim | cuz 2.4 is what what installed with sarge. |
| 03:40.52 | Flaim | and I haven't gotten around to compiling something else yet. |
| 03:40.55 | blujay | Flaim: sarge has 2.6.8, doesn't it? |
| 03:41.07 | Flaim | I suppose I could do that, and just uninstall the kernel package.. |
| 03:41.15 | Flaim | or install 2.6.8.. heh |
| 03:41.28 | blujay | Flaim: try installing kernel-image-2.6 or linux-image-2.6 and then upgrading |
| 03:41.38 | Cyis | blujay: what part of TX you from? |
| 03:41.46 | Flaim | k, thx, i'll give that a go (once I get this cat off my keyboard...) |
| 03:41.49 | blujay | Cyis: a little ways east of Dallas...you? |
| 03:41.53 | blujay | Flaim: good luck |
| 03:42.20 | Cyis | blujay: I graduated HS from Bryan in '93 and went to school in Nacanowhere from '93-95 |
| 03:42.39 | blujay | Cyis: cool...used to have family in College Station...not familiar with Nacanowhere... |
| 03:42.44 | dutchfish | Cyis, http://paste.debian.net/19112 |
| 03:42.49 | blujay | Cyis: is that a joke? :) |
| 03:43.01 | Cyis | blujay: yes... nacogdoches... SFASU |
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| 03:43.10 | blujay | Cyis: hehe ok I know that |
| 03:43.24 | blujay | Cyis: you still in Texas? |
| 03:43.33 | Cyis | blujay: nope... in the Atlanta are now |
| 03:43.39 | blujay | Cyis: cool |
| 03:43.58 | blujay | Cyis: you're a DD right? what packages? |
| 03:44.21 | Cyis | dutchfish: okay... so how are you getting that it's resolving localhost to (I'm assuming here) the IP of 'blue'? |
| 03:45.16 | dutchfish | Cyis, ping localhost gives : localhost.sa-maastricht.org (213.148.252.103) |
| 03:45.26 | Cyis | blujay: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=jbouse@debian.org |
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| 03:45.49 | blujay | Cyis: well I could have looked that up myself :P hehe |
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| 03:46.04 | Cyis | dutchfish: do you have a 'domain' or 'search' line in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 03:47.16 | Cyis | now if they'll finally get my key updated on ftp-master I'll have some package updates being procesed |
| 03:48.10 | dutchfish | Cyis, http://paste.debian.net/19113 |
| 03:48.35 | blujay | Cyis: see, you expire keys too much :) hehe j/k |
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| 03:49.36 | Cyis | blujay: nah... just expired it at the wrong time... I'd been inactive for awhile due to work and moving cross-country... had to generate a new key for my new job so figured best to get their expirations in sync |
| 03:49.46 | blujay | ah |
| 03:49.46 | Cyis | dutchfish: did you just recently comment out that search line? |
| 03:50.06 | itchi | Cyis: A Python user? |
| 03:50.07 | dutchfish | Cyis, yes but it didnt change anything |
| 03:50.25 | dutchfish | Cyis, it looks like hosts isnt read at all |
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| 03:50.49 | Cyis | dutchfish: do you have nscd running? |
| 03:51.20 | Cyis | itchi: a lil... I'm an equal opportunity scripter... I use shell, perl or python depending on my mood |
| 03:51.22 | dutchfish | Cyis, no, but i have named running |
| 03:51.42 | itchi | Cyis: Yeah saw paramiko :-) |
| 03:51.54 | Cyis | dutchfish: what does 'grep ^hosts: /etc/nsswitch.conf' return |
| 03:52.18 | mzilikazi | for a complete novice which is considered easier to configure: courier-imap, cyrus or dovecot? or ?? |
| 03:52.28 | Cyis | itchi: Yeah I packaged it when it wasn't available already as I was using it to write some scripts to maintain all the Debian servers I maintained on several networks |
| 03:52.34 | dutchfish | Cyis, hosts: dns files |
| 03:52.44 | Cyis | mzilikazi: dovecot is by far the simplist to use |
| 03:52.54 | Cyis | dutchfish: flip that to read "hosts: files dns" |
| 03:53.24 | dutchfish | Cyis, where can i find this conf? |
| 03:53.24 | wastrel | i'm using dovecot <3 |
| 03:53.36 | dutchfish | Cyis, this is my problem |
| 03:53.40 | Cyis | mzilikazi: courier and cyrus will leave you running away pulling your hair out like a mad man if you're a novice :) |
| 03:54.04 | mzilikazi | Cyis: hmm that's bad becasue i have not much hair left :) |
| 03:54.05 | dutchfish | Cyis, sorry, got it |
| 03:54.18 | wastrel | i was going to install debian on my old crappy laptop but i didn't have time tonight. |
| 03:54.19 | Cyis | wastrel: I use dovecot on my client's servers and I'm converting form courier to dovecot at work... My personal mail server when it was online was running cyrus |
| 03:54.26 | dutchfish | Cyis, thx! solved |
| 03:54.40 | Cyis | dutchfish: no problem... I'll give ya the address to send the check :) |
| 03:54.51 | dutchfish | Cyis, and the flowers |
| 03:54.57 | wastrel | i have dovecot on my mail server box it is good stuff also squirrelmail <3 |
| 03:55.02 | dutchfish | Cyis, thx again |
| 03:55.06 | Cyis | dutchfish: no problem... |
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| 03:55.26 | mzilikazi | yes i want the sqirrelmail - as i understanad it those rodents are very good with your mail |
| 03:55.32 | Cyis | dovecot is really nice and versatile |
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| 04:01.28 | mzilikazi | w00t debian-administration has a good howto for dovecot |
| 04:01.32 | mzilikazi | i like that site |
| 04:02.41 | Cyis | yeah it's a pretty good source of info |
| 04:03.13 | wastrel | i'm applying for a sysadmin job. |
| 04:06.06 | mzilikazi | hmm seems to be some discussions as to whether mbox or maildir is best but i'm only setting up a personal mail server for at most 5 people |
| 04:06.20 | mzilikazi | does it matter? |
| 04:07.01 | Chmouel | mzilikazi: locking on nfs |
| 04:07.04 | blujay | mzilikazi: I like maildir better...I hate the idea of storing e-mails in a single file |
| 04:07.04 | Chmouel | mzilikazi: performances |
| 04:07.25 | Chmouel | mzilikazi: concurrency access possible |
| 04:07.35 | blujay | mzilikazi: and if you ever want to mess with scripts to handle mail or test spamassassin, etc., maildir is a lot easier |
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| 04:09.39 | wastrel | i prefer maildir anymore. |
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| 04:12.27 | resistance | how's everyone this fine ev'nin |
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| 04:13.44 | chronographer | hi all i need help setting up my soundcard, I have a laptop and currently get no sound, I tried a wav file and get a mesage saying: check your soundcard is configured correctly etc. |
| 04:13.56 | chronographer | I have no idea where to start? |
| 04:14.07 | blujay | chronographer: what distro, version, etc? what sound card? |
| 04:14.27 | chronographer | etch, i think its an intel soundcard |
| 04:14.37 | chronographer | it shows up in ls |
| 04:14.39 | blujay | chronographer: have you tried running alsaconf? |
| 04:15.01 | chronographer | no. |
| 04:15.11 | chronographer | i will try now, as root? |
| 04:15.34 | blujay | yeah |
| 04:15.54 | kingsley | chronographer: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/ |
| 04:16.23 | chronographer | alsaconf command not found... |
| 04:16.29 | Chmouel | alsaconf |
| 04:16.31 | Chmouel | is not a command |
| 04:16.52 | Chmouel | usually udev should take of that |
| 04:16.52 | liable | install alsa-utils |
| 04:16.53 | Chmouel | what lspci output? |
| 04:16.56 | blujay | Chmouel: er...it used to be... |
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| 04:17.46 | blujay | Chmouel: it's in alsa-utils |
| 04:17.48 | roue | hola |
| 04:18.12 | blujay | chronographer: $ sudo apt-get install alsautils && sudo alsaconf |
| 04:18.22 | blujay | chronographer: oops... $ sudo apt-get install alsa-utils && sudo alsaconf |
| 04:18.27 | chronographer | ok |
| 04:18.40 | chronographer | i gtg , will try later thx anyway! |
| 04:18.44 | blujay | bye |
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| 04:20.58 | Chmouel | blujay: i believe it's deprecated http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=344008 |
| 04:21.07 | blujay | Chmouel: thanks |
| 04:22.01 | mzilikazi | hmm not sure why i get this error: dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 28: Unknown setting: imap_listen |
| 04:22.09 | mzilikazi | i have it written like so: |
| 04:22.11 | mzilikazi | imap_listen = localhost |
| 04:22.14 | mzilikazi | as in the howto |
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| 04:22.29 | mzilikazi | protocols = imap imaps |
| 04:22.29 | roue | if I install the etch RC will apt-get update/upgrade bring my system to the production release when it's made? will I need to modify my apt/sources file? thanks. |
| 04:23.24 | Rusty1 | mzilikazi: link to the howto? |
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| 04:23.39 | mzilikazi | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/275 |
| 04:23.50 | Chmouel | roue: keep etch on your sources.list and you should be fine |
| 04:24.28 | mzilikazi | my dovecot.conf -> http://channels.debian.net/paste/4942 |
| 04:25.10 | alexcamilo | hello, I tried installing apache2 and libapache2-mod-python2.3 to get python in apache. is that all i have to do? because its not quite working. |
| 04:25.53 | alexcamilo | oh, and i restarted apache like they asked |
| 04:26.01 | roue | thanks |
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| 04:28.44 | resistance | when using dpkg to install, how can i automatically solve dependancies |
| 04:28.52 | Chmouel | resistance: apt? |
| 04:29.03 | Chmouel | resistance: dpkg -i package.deb & apt-get install f |
| 04:29.08 | Chmouel | resistance: apt-get install -f |
| 04:29.15 | resistance | thanks |
| 04:29.57 | blujay | resistance: you might need to --force-depends on dpkg too |
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| 04:38.41 | blujay | I want to launch Konqueror from a script without it being a child of that shell process. Is there a simple shell command to prefix the command to keep it from being a child? I can't find anything. |
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| 04:39.33 | Chmouel | blujay: nohup |
| 04:39.38 | blujay | Chmouel: thank you |
| 04:39.48 | Chmouel | blujay: no worries |
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| 04:40.38 | Chmouel | blujay: fyi on zsh konqueror &! would wok |
| 04:41.05 | blujay | Chmouel: cool...I'm not knowledgable enough about shells to use anything besides bash...but maybe someday :) |
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| 04:42.04 | rickdias | i have a question about linuX |
| 04:42.20 | robeph_ | there are no questions about linux, there are only answers. |
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| 04:42.58 | rickdias | why does xchat disconnect when someone types DCC SEND STARTKEYLOGGER 0 0 0 ??????? |
| 04:43.05 | robeph | that isn't linux |
| 04:43.12 | robeph | that's linksys router with shoddy firmware |
| 04:43.14 | robeph | update yer firmware |
| 04:43.20 | robeph | I'm on a vuln router now, but doesn't discon me |
| 04:43.24 | robeph | since I updated ;) |
| 04:43.28 | intruder | wow |
| 04:43.31 | n0ugat | rickdias: maybe you have an aggressive firewall/ips in the way |
| 04:43.32 | rickdias | why? |
| 04:43.33 | intruder | thats a really cool bug |
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| 04:43.37 | intruder | why is this happening |
| 04:43.54 | robeph | it doesn't discon xchat |
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| 04:43.54 | robeph | it actually DOS's yer whole internets |
| 04:43.54 | robeph | ;p |
| 04:43.57 | robeph | has to reconnect |
| 04:43.59 | TraceGreen | Hello, I tried new knoppix livecd , it can mount harddisk through loopback device, that's say, mount -t vfat -o offset=*** /dev/hda /mnt/C, But i can't do it in my own debian system. why? |
| 04:44.00 | rickdias | yes it does, i get connection reset by peer!!!!! |
| 04:44.05 | n0ugat | intruder: it was a bug with some AV product, it was part of a botnet |
| 04:44.07 | robeph | rickdias: it disconnects you from the internet |
| 04:44.13 | robeph | it was part of botnet protection |
| 04:44.20 | rickdias | can't linux fix internet? |
| 04:44.20 | robeph | yeh like he said |
| 04:44.27 | robeph | it's not OS dependant |
| 04:44.31 | bucky | rickdias, Norton and some retarded Linksys diconnect it |
| 04:44.32 | robeph | if ya use windows you still lose connect |
| 04:44.34 | n0ugat | too easy to trigger a false alarm tho |
| 04:44.38 | robeph | hold |
| 04:44.44 | robeph | wait for a moment |
| 04:44.52 | robeph | I'll paste link for fix |
| 04:44.52 | blujay | TraceGreen: you don't need loopback to mount vfat |
| 04:45.14 | n0ugat | question, how can I gank hotplug from firing up gpsd every time I plug in a device with my serial adapter |
| 04:45.16 | robeph | rickdias: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Content_C1&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416835852&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper go here.. |
| 04:45.25 | robeph | choose your router, download latest firmware upgrade |
| 04:45.26 | n0ugat | hotplug seems to think all serial adapters are gps devices |
| 04:45.35 | blujay | n0ugat: what version of debian? |
| 04:45.36 | n0ugat | and gpsd grabs the tty before I can |
| 04:45.42 | n0ugat | unstable, updated this morning |
| 04:45.54 | TraceGreen | blujay, I know. But I want to try. Because I have a host protected area in my harddisk and i know its address offset. knoppix can mount it. |
| 04:45.55 | blujay | n0ugat: well, I don't know the answer, but it might lie with udev rather than hotplug |
| 04:46.08 | blujay | TraceGreen: what is a host protected area? |
| 04:46.17 | n0ugat | ah ok, question is the same |
| 04:46.29 | blujay | n0ugat: have you messed with any config files? |
| 04:46.44 | n0ugat | I poked at /etc/hotplug, but I'm looking at /etc/udev now |
| 04:46.56 | TraceGreen | blujay, It is a area that's can not read/write, Just like IBM's one press repair? |
| 04:46.57 | blujay | n0ugat: if you haven't messed anything up, you could file a bug |
| 04:47.14 | blujay | TraceGreen: is it a separate partition, or not listed in the partition table? |
| 04:47.20 | n0ugat | yeah, it's the same in both actually, that I touched hotplug is probably why it didn't make any effect |
| 04:47.28 | n0ugat | cheers |
| 04:47.36 | TraceGreen | blujay, yeah! |
| 04:47.45 | blujay | TraceGreen: yeah to which? |
| 04:48.03 | TraceGreen | blujay, not listed in the partition table |
| 04:48.13 | blujay | TraceGreen: ok, what error do you get when you try to mount it? |
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| 04:49.43 | TraceGreen | blujay, oh shit, i can mount it... |
| 04:49.54 | blujay | TraceGreen: well, that's a good thing then :) |
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| 04:50.36 | TraceGreen | blujay, so, actually i can mount it through loopback device? I googled it, and some documents told me i can mount blockdevice such as /dev/hda using loop back device? |
| 04:50.44 | karma | Hi, I'm trying to add an entry into my grub.1st |
| 04:51.03 | TraceGreen | blujay, anyway, thanks very much! |
| 04:51.11 | blujay | TraceGreen: I don't know if or why you need a loopback device for that, sorry |
| 04:51.23 | blujay | karma: you mean /boot/grub/menu.lst? (not 1st) |
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| 04:54.33 | mzilikazi | hmm maybe someone could post a working dovecot.conf file for me to browse? |
| 04:55.16 | karma | blujay:Yeah, but it's for a different hard drive |
| 04:55.42 | karma | Like it calls my /dev/sda1 hd0,0 which works and boots Debian fine |
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| 04:55.57 | karma | But I want to add an entry for a kernel on /dev/hda1 |
| 04:56.26 | karma | in the menu.lst |
| 04:56.32 | blujay | ok |
| 04:57.25 | karma | Maybe if I don't know exactly what to type I should have some automatic tool detect it and add the entry? |
| 04:57.31 | karma | I think I can do it though |
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| 04:57.41 | karma | I just don't know how Grub refers to partitions |
| 04:57.42 | blujay | karma: just look at the file and copy an entry and modify it and then test it |
| 04:57.49 | blujay | karma: man grub for information on that |
| 04:57.52 | blujay | karma: or use google |
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| 04:58.31 | pickcoder | I verified the dist-upgrade problem with Sarge->Etch |
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| 05:00.22 | Kim^J | Isn't the PHP5 package compiled so that I can use it from the commandline in a script? |
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| 05:00.52 | blujay | Kim^J: man php? |
| 05:01.00 | Wyzard | Kim^J: Use php5-cgi for that |
| 05:01.10 | Kim^J | Wyzard: Aha ok. Thanks man. |
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| 05:02.15 | Wyzard | Kim^J: oops, sorry, php5-cli |
| 05:02.23 | pickcoder | enouf: have you had a chance to trial anything with sarge? |
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| 05:04.05 | medc | hello |
| 05:04.30 | medc | guys which nvidia driver works good with kernel.18 |
| 05:04.41 | Wyzard | medc: The packaged one |
| 05:04.58 | Cyis | medc: the one packaged in non-free works fine here |
| 05:05.04 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 05:05.05 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 05:05.43 | medc | ok |
| 05:06.18 | mzilikazi | hmm i think i got it - you do not need to specify imap_listen any longer |
| 05:06.48 | pickcoder | http://pastebin.ca/294120 |
| 05:07.08 | medc | Wyzard, 1.0.8776-3?? ç |
| 05:07.22 | medc | Wyzard, nvidia-glx |
| 05:07.36 | pickcoder | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 is being removed, but there is no replacement being installed |
| 05:07.47 | pickcoder | same for initrd-tools <-> initramfs |
| 05:07.54 | Wyzard | medc: 1.0.8776+5 seems to be the current version in testing and unstable |
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| 05:08.20 | Wyzard | medc: oops, nevermind, I was looking at the wrong packages... yes, -3 |
| 05:08.32 | CrazednDazed | Anyone know a good command line cd-ripper besides cwcdr? |
| 05:08.32 | medc | Wyzard, soo install that one? |
| 05:08.57 | pickcoder | CrazednDazed: dd? |
| 05:09.09 | Wyzard | !tell medc about nvidia one-liner |
| 05:09.12 | CrazednDazed | dd? is that one? |
| 05:09.13 | blujay | pickcoder: what about linux-image-*? |
| 05:09.38 | pickcoder | I haven't been able to find about bug report regarding this specific issue |
| 05:10.15 | mzilikazi | CrazednDazed: abcde |
| 05:10.16 | pickcoder | blujay: the kernel-image should be upgraded to the latested etch default kernel package |
| 05:10.21 | CrazednDazed | er, I was looking for something more audio cd based |
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| 05:10.33 | CrazednDazed | mazilikazi: T ahnks I'll check it out |
| 05:10.35 | blujay | pickcoder: the name changed to linux-image |
| 05:10.39 | Cyis | medc: what are you trying to get working with your nvidia card? |
| 05:10.45 | CrazednDazed | - the a |
| 05:10.47 | pickcoder | blujay: um.. yeah.. I know that. |
| 05:10.56 | pickcoder | blujay: something is wrong with apt or the kernel-image package |
| 05:10.57 | blujay | pickcoder: well, what does apt-cache policy say? |
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| 05:11.15 | medc | Cyis, a good render 3d |
| 05:11.38 | pickcoder | blujay: I don't know, I'm not on that machine right now |
| 05:11.58 | blujay | pickcoder: not a lot we can do then :) I guess you could file a bug |
| 05:11.58 | pickcoder | blujay: I've encountered this problem for ever 2.6 Sarge I've dist-upgraded |
| 05:12.10 | pickcoder | users have reported this problem here also |
| 05:12.22 | Cyis | medc: the nvidia module version in etch non-free (8776 IIRC) should be fine then... if you were trying to use compiz or beryl then 8xxx drivers aren't good enough |
| 05:12.23 | pickcoder | I'm trying to get a few validations of this |
| 05:12.25 | blujay | pickcoder: have you checked the bts? |
| 05:12.40 | pickcoder | blujay: yes.. as I said earlier I haven't found a match for this specific issue |
| 05:12.49 | blujay | pickcoder: why don't you file a bug? |
| 05:12.55 | Flaim | pickcoder I'm having that same issue with 2.4.xx |
| 05:13.11 | pickcoder | blujay: as I just said, I want to validate this problem is happening because of dist-upgrade |
| 05:13.21 | medc | Cyis, which one are good for beryl? |
| 05:13.26 | pickcoder | enouf was going to perform a dist upgrade as well |
| 05:13.28 | blujay | pickcoder: well you said others have reported it...if I were you I'd go ahead and file a bug report |
| 05:13.36 | Cyis | medc: has to be a 9xxx version |
| 05:13.36 | pickcoder | Flaim:really? |
| 05:13.54 | blujay | Cyis: 8776 will work with Beryl |
| 05:14.01 | Flaim | pickcoder: yep, I was in here talking about it earlier. My half-assed solution was to build a custom kernel. |
| 05:14.05 | Flaim | which is still in process. |
| 05:14.07 | blujay | Cyis: the latest beryls can use non-ftp modes which work with 8776 |
| 05:14.12 | blujay | Cyis: non-tfp that is |
| 05:14.14 | medc | Cyis, where can i download it? |
| 05:14.19 | pickcoder | Flaim: did you try to perform a dist-upgrade? |
| 05:14.49 | Cyis | blujay: I've not tried any non-ftp modes |
| 05:14.54 | roue | I'm getting a new drive for my laptop on Friday. I'm going to install Etch (currently running sarge). I've been using ReiserFS3 lately, but is there a consensus on which FS makes the most sense for a desktop? thanks. |
| 05:15.10 | blujay | Cyis: just telling you what I know...I've been following beryl's development lately |
| 05:15.14 | Cyis | medc: you can use the nvidia installer but it's not as clean as the package |
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| 05:15.26 | Cyis | blujay: I've just started using beryl myself... |
| 05:15.28 | roue | I'm thinking about using XFS, JFS, or ext3. |
| 05:15.35 | pickcoder | roue: ext3 |
| 05:15.39 | Cyis | blujay: and I have a nvidia geforce mx 400 card here |
| 05:15.43 | blujay | Cyis: it's great, isn't it? even better if you have mouse buttons to bind to scale |
| 05:16.03 | medc | Cyis, and where can i get the package? |
| 05:16.13 | roue | pickcoder any reason for that choice? our RedHat boxes at work default to ext3, so I was leaning that way too. |
| 05:16.34 | pickcoder | it's based on ext2 which is stable |
| 05:16.35 | Cyis | blujay: yeah it is... I do like being able to turn it on and off though switching back to metacity as I've found some apps don't care for it |
| 05:16.49 | blujay | Cyis: KDE here |
| 05:17.06 | pickcoder | unlike ReiserFS which is known to be problematic |
| 05:17.16 | Flaim | pickcoder: yeah I was in the middle of it. |
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| 05:18.16 | Cyis | blujay: I run gnome so it's not that bad... but I do have to use the VMware Server Console and it has had some issues running when Beryl is active |
| 05:18.38 | blujay | Cyis: ah... bugs.beryl-project.org if you have time :) |
| 05:19.05 | Cyis | blujay: time? what is that mythic construct? |
| 05:19.17 | blujay | Cyis: I dunno...I've only read about it |
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| 05:21.36 | levander | Does aptitude keep a log anywhere of what packages got installed when you installed other packages? |
| 05:21.38 | pickcoder | ok.. I'm filing a basic bug with data from my 2.8.6 dist-upgrade trial |
| 05:21.46 | blujay | levander: /var/log I think |
| 05:21.49 | Cyis | blujay: and to think since I moved from CA here to GA... I don't have my 7' rack and 12 servers to maintain... I've just got my workstation and 4 virtual machines under VMware |
| 05:22.13 | blujay | Cyis: must have some good hardware |
| 05:22.24 | Cyis | levander: check'd under /var/log ? |
| 05:22.43 | Cyis | blujay: AMD Athlon64 3000+ with 1.5GB RAM |
| 05:22.55 | blujay | Cyis: hm, not as much as I thought :) |
| 05:23.13 | Cyis | blujay: the 1.5G will be 3G as soon as I can swap the 512M sticks for 1G sticks |
| 05:23.59 | Cyis | blujay: I could swap one of them and give me 2G if I take the 1G stick out of my other AMD64 that's in storage |
| 05:24.06 | blujay | ah |
| 05:24.34 | blujay | Cyis: I'm still on 4-5 year old hardware...Debian does pretty well on it |
| 05:24.34 | Cyis | although I'd much rather get some more revenue coming in so I could just go get some co-lo space |
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| 05:25.28 | Cyis | blujay: My hardware collection here consists of 4 PA-RISC machines, 2 Alphas, 1 dead Motorola RISC PC (PPC) and over a half dozen x86 machine and 2 AMD64's |
| 05:25.37 | blujay | geez |
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| 05:26.00 | Cyis | blujay: My previous employer in CA wouldn't let me keep the SGI O2 I had running Debian in my cubicle |
| 05:26.07 | Cyis | no one was using it... found it collecting dust |
| 05:26.12 | blujay | aw |
| 05:26.25 | Cyis | I even named it erwin :) |
| 05:26.49 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.21 | blujay | erwin...? |
| 05:27.58 | Cyis | blujay: from UF |
| 05:28.17 | blujay | sorry I don't know what UF is either...University of Florida? |
| 05:28.48 | Cyis | and you call yourself a geek :) |
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| 05:29.11 | blujay | hehe |
| 05:29.12 | Cyis | blujay: userfriendly.org |
| 05:29.24 | blujay | oh, ok...I don't keep up with that but I've seen it |
| 05:29.46 | Cyis | Erwin in UF is an O2 |
| 05:30.18 | blujay | heh, there you go again :) what is O2? |
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| 05:31.12 | Cyis | blujay: It's an SGI machine... cute blue n black case |
| 05:31.35 | blujay | ah...I've never had any experience with non-i386 hardware...except for using a few macs |
| 05:31.37 | BinarySpike | I am trying to upgrade OSS on my debian... my onboard intel ac97 won't work... I was told installing OSS would fix it... can I apt-get? |
| 05:32.34 | blujay | BinarySpike: what version of Debian? |
| 05:33.25 | BinarySpike | idk, pretty new |
| 05:33.30 | BinarySpike | how would I find out? |
| 05:33.46 | blujay | BinarySpike: when and how did you install it? |
| 05:34.01 | BinarySpike | I downloaded it off the debian website, burned a disk and installed it... |
| 05:34.11 | blujay | BinarySpike: which disk image did you download? |
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| 05:34.22 | BinarySpike | I don't know where the disk is... |
| 05:34.36 | blujay | BinarySpike: $ less /etc/debian_version |
| 05:35.08 | BinarySpike | thanks :) 3.1 |
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| 05:35.32 | blujay | BinarySpike: is your apt config using etch or testing or what? |
| 05:35.45 | Cyis | blujay: I've used non-x86 hardware for devel/package mgmt in the past... also ran my network services of them for awhile to give script kiddies some fun as their rootkits were usually for x86 :) |
| 05:35.56 | neoalex | hi guys, I get this error when running a program as a user |
| 05:35.59 | blujay | Cyis: hehehe |
| 05:36.15 | BinarySpike | I don't know, I got 3.1 a few weeks ago, got X11 working and KDE installed (with a few games) and got apache on... that's all I've done |
| 05:36.36 | blujay | BinarySpike: $ apt-cache policy base-files what does it say? etch/testing/unstable? |
| 05:37.10 | neoalex | the program works fine as root |
| 05:37.16 | BinarySpike | stable/main packages |
| 05:37.34 | neoalex | what permition would I need to chage to make it work as a user |
| 05:37.44 | blujay | BinarySpike: ok... $ apt-cache policy alsa-base |
| 05:37.55 | blujay | neoalex: I think you forgot to say the error |
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| 05:38.02 | BinarySpike | 500 http://ftp.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 05:38.10 | blujay | BinarySpike: is it installed? |
| 05:38.11 | neoalex | the error is: /dev/mem: Operation not permitted |
| 05:38.19 | blujay | neoalex: and what is the program? |
| 05:38.20 | BinarySpike | Installed: (none) |
| 05:38.27 | blujay | BinarySpike: try installing alsa-base |
| 05:38.35 | murosai | if i have line a b c d e, how can i grep words c and e from it? |
| 05:38.35 | BinarySpike | apt-get install alsa-base |
| 05:38.35 | BinarySpike | ? |
| 05:38.37 | neoalex | well it's a c program designed to control a keypad on an embedded device |
| 05:38.39 | blujay | BinarySpike: yes |
| 05:39.02 | blujay | neoalex: it's not a good idea to run programs as root unless necessary...who wrote the program? |
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| 05:39.16 | blujay | murosai: you want only those words? |
| 05:39.28 | neoalex | ummm... embeddedarm.com |
| 05:39.43 | neoalex | the program actually needs to run in background at boot time |
| 05:39.44 | blujay | neoalex: you should probably contact them and suggest that they make it run as non-root |
| 05:40.06 | blujay | neoalex: how does it communicate with the device? |
| 05:40.08 | murosai | blujay: eys |
| 05:40.09 | murosai | yes |
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| 05:40.16 | pickcoder | murosai: look at awk, you can do field parsing based on delimiter |
| 05:40.23 | BinarySpike | blujay: cache seems to be locked (whatever that means) reboot will fix it |
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| 05:40.29 | blujay | murosai: well there are lots of ways...perl, sed, multiple greps, or awk like pickcoder said |
| 05:40.32 | neoalex | it polls a memory address that changes when a key is pressed |
| 05:40.38 | blujay | BinarySpike: you don't need to reboot |
| 05:40.48 | neoalex | so it basically communicates with /dev/mem |
| 05:40.58 | blujay | neoalex: is there a driver in the kernel for the device? |
| 05:41.05 | neoalex | no |
| 05:41.07 | murosai | what's possible the easiest? :P |
| 05:41.22 | blujay | neoalex: then what changes the info in nemory? |
| 05:41.27 | blujay | *memory |
| 05:41.43 | pickcoder | I'd be weary of an application that performs direct peek and poke |
| 05:42.06 | blujay | neoalex: I know little about hardware in Linux, but it seems like there should be a driver and an API for userland apps |
| 05:42.41 | neoalex | I agree... there might be a driver for the port the keypad connects too though I'm not sure exactly how it works |
| 05:42.58 | neoalex | is there any way to run the program as root at boot time though? |
| 05:43.02 | blujay | neoalex: you should probably ask this of the author of the programs...only he knows how it really works (though it sounds poorly designed) |
| 05:43.16 | blujay | neoalex: you could add it to the boot scripts |
| 05:43.28 | pickcoder | neoalex: if the mem file is locked by a manager, then your app still may not be able to read and write |
| 05:43.42 | blujay | murosai: probably awk for starters, or perl |
| 05:44.13 | neoalex | how would I unlock it, I mean it works fine as root |
| 05:44.29 | neoalex | so I imagine there's some sort of permissions I need to change |
| 05:44.29 | Cyis | wonder if I have enough new hostnames for someone to pick up the theme... vesper & jinx are what I have now |
| 05:44.35 | neoalex | so I can run it as a user |
| 05:44.43 | pickcoder | neoalex: is it an application or a daemon? |
| 05:45.04 | neoalex | it's an application I'm running it in background as a daemon though |
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| 05:45.41 | neoalex | ./control >/dev/null 2>&1 & disown |
| 05:45.50 | neoalex | that's how I run in it in background |
| 05:46.07 | neoalex | I added that line to a bash script called local |
| 05:46.18 | neoalex | I stuck it in init.d |
| 05:46.37 | neoalex | and then update-rc.d local defaults |
| 05:46.58 | pickcoder | hm |
| 05:47.03 | pickcoder | who is running it? |
| 05:47.20 | neoalex | what do you mean? |
| 05:47.27 | pickcoder | ps aux | grep control |
| 05:47.43 | linux_user400354 | My friend need help with a irc problem. He is not able to login to irc. He is using xchat in Debian. http://sial.org/pbot/22014 |
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| 05:48.20 | pickcoder | linux_user400354: have your friend fill out the user information in the client completely |
| 05:48.20 | neoalex | well it doesn't run |
| 05:48.23 | neoalex | so it's not there |
| 05:48.34 | neoalex | root should be running it though |
| 05:48.41 | pickcoder | O_o |
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| 05:49.01 | neoalex | If I do run it as root manually it works fine |
| 05:49.02 | pickcoder | so, as root, you execute that and it stops? |
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| 05:49.30 | neoalex | no... as root if I excute that it works fine |
| 05:49.32 | NiCeBoY | hellow i did apt-get install iroffer and the latter installs iroffer on the system now i shouldconfigure if where should i go to configure it please because i cant find folder iroffer on /etc/ ? |
| 05:49.59 | neoalex | as a user though it says /dev/mem: Operation not permitted |
| 05:50.10 | blujay | NiCeBoY: /usr/share/doc/iroffer |
| 05:50.25 | neoalex | and if I restart the device it doesn't run |
| 05:50.32 | NiCeBoY | thx |
| 05:51.24 | neoalex | so is there any way to force it to be run as root when I boot it? |
| 05:51.35 | pickcoder | neoalex: it should be running as root |
| 05:52.26 | neoalex | ok then... there's another problem with starting it at boot time |
| 05:53.08 | neoalex | like I said if I login to the device and run the local script I created everything's fine |
| 05:53.19 | neoalex | it just won't do it automatically |
| 05:53.43 | linux_user400354 | does anyone have an icon for "Nvidia Settings" in the gnome menu under System Tools that I can have? |
| 05:54.39 | neoalex | linux_user400354: http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/icons/LOG.xml |
| 05:55.01 | neoalex | or http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs8/i/2005/337/b/4/nvidia_settings_Gnome_icon_by_nano_online.png |
| 05:55.57 | neoalex | maybe it's running to early pickcoder |
| 05:56.10 | neoalex | in what order do boot scripts run |
| 05:56.16 | neoalex | and how can I make it run last |
| 05:56.30 | pickcoder | numeric values |
| 05:56.36 | pickcoder | S is start K is kill |
| 05:56.43 | pickcoder | in appropriate run-levels |
| 05:57.09 | pickcoder | S99 and K99 are run last |
| 05:58.25 | neoalex | ok it's S20 |
| 05:58.35 | neoalex | like many others |
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| 05:59.20 | pickcoder | does it depend on anything? |
| 06:00.09 | neoalex | other applications it's suppose to run when keys are pressed |
| 06:00.26 | neoalex | other then that nothing |
| 06:00.39 | neoalex | well... memory too |
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| 06:00.57 | neoalex | and it also uses a ramdrive mounted on /mnt/ramdrive |
| 06:01.08 | neoalex | fstab mounts stuff before S99 right? |
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| 06:02.21 | neoalex | sorry about that... I'm back |
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| 06:04.12 | Flaim | pickcoder |
| 06:04.33 | NiCeBoY | hi when i doing locate irofer amgetting this messag e "warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old" |
| 06:04.38 | NiCeBoY | anyone canhelp me to solve this pb plz/ |
| 06:04.49 | pickcoder | neoalex: it should work then |
| 06:04.51 | pickcoder | Flaim: ? |
| 06:04.55 | Flaim | I'm working on the kernel thing.. my current solution: back up /boot, remove the package, and copy it back over if necessary. |
| 06:05.02 | neoalex | it should, but it doesn't :D |
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| 06:05.13 | murosai | does anyone know any good, preferably cmd line programs for plotting graphs of data, not functions? |
| 06:05.17 | Flaim | or reinstall the kernel package once the dist-upgrade is complete |
| 06:05.57 | pickcoder | Flaim: that won't work.. I tried it |
| 06:06.07 | Flaim | oh? |
| 06:06.19 | neoalex | ok... the program is in /root would that be an issue? |
| 06:06.45 | pickcoder | neoalex: if it's a server daemon it should be in /sbin or /usr/sbin |
| 06:07.09 | pickcoder | but, no.. that shouldn't matter |
| 06:07.36 | Flaim | pickcoder: what problem did you run into? |
| 06:07.39 | pickcoder | Flaim: have you started the dist-upgrade? |
| 06:07.53 | Flaim | I already had, before. |
| 06:08.00 | Flaim | now I'm going through all teh packages for it |
| 06:08.05 | pickcoder | Flaim: there was no initial ram system |
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| 06:08.12 | Flaim | after removing the kernel package |
| 06:08.31 | Cyis | well it's about that time I call it a nite... |
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| 06:09.24 | neoalex | so you're sure it's running as root? |
| 06:09.29 | neoalex | is there any way to check that? |
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| 06:09.38 | pickcoder | it has to be running to check it |
| 06:09.46 | pickcoder | is ssh installed? |
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| 06:10.08 | neoalex | yes... but the only way I can run it is if I do run it as root manually |
| 06:10.16 | neoalex | and then I know it's running as root |
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| 06:10.34 | neoalex | yes... ssh is installed |
| 06:10.39 | NiCeBoY | hi when i doing locate irofer amgetting this messag e "warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old" anyone can help me to solve this problem plz/ |
| 06:10.40 | pickcoder | if ssh is running as root? |
| 06:10.59 | pickcoder | NiCeBoY: slocate -u |
| 06:11.08 | pickcoder | or get rid of slocate completely and just use locate |
| 06:11.16 | neoalex | how do I check that again? |
| 06:11.28 | pickcoder | neoalex: ps aux | grep ssh |
| 06:11.48 | neoalex | youp it is running as root |
| 06:11.54 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 06:13.22 | neoalex | ok so if I run something as root that something should have access to everything root has access too right? |
| 06:13.44 | pickcoder | yes |
| 06:13.44 | neoalex | can I see the boot errors some where? |
| 06:14.01 | neoalex | I imagine it does say something while trying to run the thing |
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| 06:20.08 | Cyis | anyone use subversion know if you can copy from one repo into another repo and have it become part of the new one? |
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| 06:21.21 | eduhat | hey guys |
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| 06:24.01 | pickcoder | neoalex: you are directing file numbers 1 and 2 to /dev/null so nothing will get logged |
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| 06:24.58 | neoalex | ummm... yes you're right, I did have a point for doing that, honest... I'll change it for testing though |
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| 06:25.24 | neoalex | oh yeah... the device is runnning on an SD so I'm trying to keep the writing to a minimum |
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| 06:25.47 | NiCeBoY | !iroffer |
| 06:25.59 | pickcoder | I thought it was running on a ram drive |
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| 06:26.35 | neoalex | no... it uses a ramdrive for other thing, but the linux system itself is on an SD |
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| 06:28.09 | mylogic | so... I just made the switch from gentoo too debian. |
| 06:28.48 | netdaemon | welcome =) |
| 06:28.57 | mylogic | :D |
| 06:29.14 | mylogic | I am rather impressed thus far, especially after the install |
| 06:29.39 | netdaemon | only system that dosn't hard lock on my laptop =) |
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| 06:29.49 | netdaemon | ubuntu croaks ;) |
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| 06:30.05 | pickcoder | mylogic: etch or sarge? |
| 06:30.18 | mylogic | I am still running gentoo on my dedi, but probably about to switch that as well |
| 06:30.20 | mylogic | etch! |
| 06:30.28 | mylogic | call me daring |
| 06:30.35 | pickcoder | nice having 2.6.18 finally |
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| 06:31.30 | pickcoder | I have only had one Etch install go belly up |
| 06:31.38 | mylogic | yeah, the one thing I liked about starting with gentoo is I got started compiling my own kernel early, which really really can make a fast/stable system |
| 06:31.43 | pickcoder | bug in an early 2.6.17 release |
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| 06:32.18 | pickcoder | it's quite easy to compile and package kernels for Debian management |
| 06:32.24 | tarzeau | sunrunner20: link to it please |
| 06:32.28 | cafuego_ | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 06:32.48 | cafuego_ | is pam_ldap supposed to work on sarge? |
| 06:32.59 | tarzeau | cafuego_: works for us |
| 06:33.14 | pickcoder | mostly, I like being able to easily install and remove complete kernel and initramfs bundles with a couple commands |
| 06:33.39 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: is there any chance you might send me copies of your pam.d, ldap.conf, nss-ldap.conf and slapd.conf files? |
| 06:33.52 | pickcoder | cafuego_: what's the issue? |
| 06:33.58 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: I'm about to pull my hair out |
| 06:34.15 | cafuego_ | I'm trying to log in to a box via ssh, using ldap auth. |
| 06:34.21 | tarzeau | cafuego_: ldap.conf is HOST phd-auth1 \n BASE ou=Physik Departement, o=ETHZ, c=CH |
| 06:34.23 | cafuego_ | I get 'illegal user' |
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| 06:35.01 | pickcoder | man it's been years since I used slapd |
| 06:35.11 | pickcoder | can you slapcat your cn? |
| 06:35.21 | rahul | that sounds dirty |
| 06:35.27 | pickcoder | rahul: <g> |
| 06:35.39 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: No, on account of not having slapcat <heh> |
| 06:35.42 | rahul | I love it when you talk that way, pickcoder |
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| 06:36.15 | pickcoder | cafuego_: erm..ldap-utils? |
| 06:36.15 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: I can ldapsearch though (and the same bdb works fine for samba auth) |
| 06:36.22 | pickcoder | ok |
| 06:36.30 | tarzeau | cafuego_: no nss-ldap.conf, no slapd.conf and /etc/pam.d/ssh has auth required pam_ldap.so try_first_pass, auth required pam_env.so # [1], account required pam_ldap.so, session required pam_ldap.so, password required pam_ldap.so |
| 06:41.34 | tarzeau | cafuego_: when you do what? |
| 06:41.34 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: pam.d/ssh doesn't use common-* ? |
| 06:41.35 | tarzeau | cafuego_: ah we have the pam_ldap.so also in common-* |
| 06:41.35 | tarzeau | cafuego_: probably beacuse it doesn't work otherwise :) |
| 06:41.35 | tarzeau | cafuego_: we also have the same stuff in pam.d/login |
| 06:41.35 | cafuego_ | "Dec 28 06:38:32 xen0 sshd[2956]: Illegal user cafuego from 10.10.42.80" |
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| 06:42.23 | pickcoder | cafuego_: silly question, but what's in nsswitch.conf? |
| 06:42.34 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: ldap files |
| 06:42.49 | cafuego_ | for passwd and group |
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| 06:43.11 | tarzeau | cafuego_: i don't have that in ldap. just nis for netgroup |
| 06:43.27 | tarzeau | err and for passwd, groups |
| 06:43.36 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: nis? |
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| 06:43.39 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 06:43.40 | tarzeau | cafuego_: sure |
| 06:43.46 | tarzeau | cafuego_: nis is good, nis is fast |
| 06:43.49 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: I don't want no nis <heh> |
| 06:43.59 | tarzeau | cafuego_: hehe, i don't like LDAP |
| 06:44.20 | tarzeau | cafuego_: and we need auth also on mac and windows (only reason we have ldap) |
| 06:44.33 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: yeah, that's why I want it here. |
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| 06:45.29 | pickcoder | lemme see if I have my old GForge ldap configs around |
| 06:46.26 | pickcoder | hrm.. that's just a local bind |
| 06:46.32 | pickcoder | are you binding to a remote service? |
| 06:47.04 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: yep |
| 06:47.04 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 06:47.04 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: I can see it reaching the db on login |
| 06:47.13 | cafuego_ | ... and searching. |
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| 06:47.58 | pickcoder | then pam is going through ldap |
| 06:48.10 | cafuego_ | yup |
| 06:48.16 | cafuego_ | BUT |
| 06:48.30 | cafuego_ | no actual authentication |
| 06:48.36 | cafuego_ | (The password is correct) |
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| 06:50.57 | resistance | what is the back command to grep mysql.sock |
| 06:51.23 | pickcoder | if ldapsearch works then it's either nss or pam |
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| 06:52.21 | cafuego_ | hence my pulling out of hair |
| 06:52.47 | resistance | how can i find where mysqld.sock is |
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| 06:53.11 | pickcoder | what's in common-password |
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| 06:53.25 | unseensoul | hi |
| 06:53.43 | beans0 | who is using beans |
| 06:53.45 | beans0 | lol |
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| 06:54.04 | Danbeans | hi unseensoul |
| 06:54.15 | pickcoder | you should have a password sufficient pam_ldap.so line |
| 06:54.23 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: yup |
| 06:54.25 | unseensoul | Danbeans, hello :) |
| 06:54.26 | kanedaddy | hello |
| 06:54.28 | Danbeans | heh |
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| 06:54.56 | pickcoder | same for common-auth |
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| 06:55.01 | xstasi | hi all |
| 06:55.04 | Danbeans | hi |
| 06:55.07 | xstasi | what's the difference between nvidia and nvidia-legacy |
| 06:55.08 | xstasi | ? |
| 06:55.15 | cafuego_ | password sufficient pam_ldap.so use_first_pass # SHiny |
| 06:55.16 | kanedaddy | good |
| 06:56.26 | pickcoder | cafuego_: you did restart ssh, didn't you? |
| 06:56.31 | xstasi | anyone knows? |
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| 06:56.41 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: about a million billion time by now |
| 06:57.02 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: I think I'm going to have a bit of break, go postal for an hour or so, then try again. |
| 06:57.30 | pickcoder | did you restart nscd? |
| 06:57.37 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: same amount of times |
| 06:57.40 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 06:57.54 | pickcoder | I remember having that issue with GForge |
| 06:58.02 | pickcoder | but I don't have all the configs from my old box |
| 06:58.17 | cafuego_ | I might just wipe this sucker, then retry. |
| 06:58.20 | hagabaka | how can i see from which repository a package is found by apt-get? |
| 06:58.37 | pickcoder | cafuego_: the @includes are in pam.d/ssh |
| 06:58.42 | cafuego_ | pickcoder: yup |
| 06:59.09 | Endgamer | Hey guys and gals, anyone here use Google domain e-mail? |
| 06:59.19 | pickcoder | it's gotta be nss-ldap |
| 06:59.25 | Endgamer | I'm having issues with the subdomains working. |
| 06:59.28 | pickcoder | paste your nss-ldap.conf on a pastebin |
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| 07:00.20 | yos87 | . |
| 07:01.00 | fusion | thought i had a question but it seems to have rectified itself... rofl.. gotta love that |
| 07:01.08 | yos87 | ping yos87 |
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| 07:03.36 | pickcoder | I'm still getting bzip errors from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:03.43 | pickcoder | been a week or so now |
| 07:03.50 | pickcoder | ftp.debian.org has no issues |
| 07:04.37 | tarzeau | pickcoder: when doing what? apt-get update? |
| 07:04.41 | pickcoder | yup |
| 07:04.52 | fusion | i had those a while back, seemed to rectify itself after a while |
| 07:05.34 | pickcoder | gremlins |
| 07:05.48 | itchi | Some time when i have mounted somethings with sshfs i get the following error message http://pastebin.ca/294194 |
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| 07:07.23 | liable | itchi: that doesnt look very nice.. |
| 07:07.31 | unseensoul | everytime i try to set wep through iwconfig i receive this error "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.". and i receive from dmesg this "ndiswrapper (add_wep_key:815): adding encryption key 1 failed (C0010015)". what's the problem? how can i solve this? |
| 07:07.33 | itchi | liable: nope, need to work on my data haha |
| 07:07.42 | itchi | liable: Ba, looks a bug?? |
| 07:08.07 | itchi | liable: Just wanted to finish my package and oops i got |
| 07:08.09 | liable | itchi: yeah |
| 07:08.45 | itchi | Now serious, to make use of reportbug, what need i? Not want to mail a bug, want tryout reportbug :-) |
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| 07:09.35 | itchi | If i send so, mail still live localy, i guess i should setup somethings. But i not realy need exim, or maybe just to send stuff, but not want to get my mail there |
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| 07:10.14 | itchi | liable: I got that error in all open consoles :-) |
| 07:10.39 | liable | tell reportbug to use your email address from your providor |
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| 07:11.09 | itchi | liable: Yeah, but he not want to send it, i get an postmaster stuff back |
| 07:11.20 | itchi | liable: The exim stuff is not yet configured |
| 07:12.24 | itchi | Is it not dpkg-reconfigure exim ? |
| 07:12.33 | pickcoder | exim4 |
| 07:12.43 | itchi | :-) |
| 07:12.48 | liable | you shouldnt have to use exim to send mail from reportbug |
| 07:12.53 | liable | exim4-config |
| 07:13.12 | itchi | liable: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 07:13.21 | liable | yep |
| 07:13.25 | itchi | oki |
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| 07:14.18 | itchi | hmmmjammja, that exim, if i could understand the options he gave me there, will be nice |
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| 07:15.29 | itchi | liable: What should i need to setup to send mail with reportbug? |
| 07:15.38 | unseensoul | how can i avoid a package from being installed? |
| 07:16.01 | itchi | liable: I not understand these options he give me, just want send mail |
| 07:16.06 | NaufraGo | is there any application to create flashes in debian? |
| 07:16.16 | itchi | unseensoul: Hold it |
| 07:16.23 | unseensoul | how? |
| 07:16.29 | NaufraGo | macromedia flash, than kind.. |
| 07:16.32 | itchi | NaufraGo: Jump and it flash enought for us |
| 07:16.33 | NaufraGo | that kind |
| 07:17.02 | NaufraGo | is there any app? |
| 07:17.04 | Danbeans | hmm |
| 07:17.07 | itchi | NaufraGo: hhhm, theres an alternative version of macromedia flash stuff, |
| 07:17.25 | Danbeans | the uptime on htop is highlighted in red now its 108 days |
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| 07:18.35 | unseensoul | everytime i try to set wep through iwconfig i receive this error "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.". and i receive from dmesg this "ndiswrapper (add_wep_key:815): adding encryption key 1 failed (C0010015)". what's the problem? how can i solve this? |
| 07:19.14 | itchi | NaufraGo: There are some many little stuff too, (im looking a bit, loosed the name :-) of that little alternative one) |
| 07:19.38 | liable | itchi: the first time you run reportbug, it asks you how you want to send mail. if you want to change it, edit ~/.reportbugrc |
| 07:19.42 | NaufraGo | ok |
| 07:20.06 | NaufraGo | what graphical irc client do you suggest me to use? |
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| 07:20.34 | NaufraGo | I use xchat, any other? |
| 07:21.07 | itchi | liable: Thanks, i guess i have skip it, gona look to the config file, i had not think to it :-) |
| 07:21.12 | mylogic | booo for graphical irc clients! irssi it ;p |
| 07:21.43 | itchi | NaufraGo: (i use an cli version, irssi and sooo nice and good) |
| 07:22.49 | liable | NaufraGo: theres lots. kde has one, gnome prolly has one, theres web based ones, firefox has plugins.. etc |
| 07:23.21 | liable | NaufraGo: if you watch peoples quit messages in here, you will prolly see a good variety |
| 07:23.46 | mylogic | speaking of irssi, I need to brose the net for some handy scrips and whatnot |
| 07:24.05 | mylogic | browse* |
| 07:24.16 | NaufraGo | a question.. what is console? |
| 07:24.36 | itchi | NaufraGo: centericq (for cli) do it to, with jabber, msn, irc, ... |
| 07:24.57 | phliver | mylogic: apt-get install irssi-scripts |
| 07:25.30 | mylogic | interesting, thanks phliver. |
| 07:25.37 | NaufraGo | irssi is a terminal-based one? |
| 07:25.51 | mylogic | I am new to debian as of today, and am just now learning about all this goodness, heh |
| 07:25.53 | phliver | mylogic: otherwise all of them are pretty much here, http://www.irssi.org/scripts/ |
| 07:25.57 | mylogic | NaufraGo: yes! much like bitchx |
| 07:26.00 | phliver | NaufraGo: yeah the best :) |
| 07:26.30 | NaufraGo | xchat is tcl based? |
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| 07:26.56 | phliver | no idea |
| 07:27.11 | NaufraGo | I don't like terminal-based apps |
| 07:28.23 | itchi | liable: Now, to which package is my problem related? sshfs or shfs-source ? |
| 07:29.02 | liable | itchi: no idea. mention that you arent sure and they will move it as neccessary |
| 07:29.12 | liable | never used sshfs |
| 07:29.20 | itchi | liable: I think it's the client so sshfs but not yet sure |
| 07:29.26 | mylogic | so phliver, do you have any other cool apps or anything that would make my life as a new debian user better? :) |
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| 07:29.56 | liable | itchi: hrm, i dunno if the client would cause a kernel oops |
| 07:29.57 | itchi | liable: But server side, there's nothings, so it can only be are the client i think |
| 07:30.16 | itchi | liable: Or is it ssh then? |
| 07:30.28 | itchi | The ssh-server i mean |
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| 07:30.58 | itchi | arg, a such useful tool :-/ |
| 07:31.50 | itchi | It just happend randomly every X time, if i not got it in the first 15 minutes of using the sshfs, i not go to get it |
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| 07:33.05 | liable | itchi: file it sshfs and include your dmesg, they can handle it from there |
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| 07:34.38 | itchi | liable: Okay, i gona been see if these complain ;-) |
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| 07:35.54 | itchi | liable: Looks like to be concerning shfs-utils or shfs-source, like that other is not installed here on the laptop |
| 07:35.55 | NaufraGo | is there any driver for my canon iP1600 printer? |
| 07:37.00 | itchi | liable: The mount tool is in shfs-utils, that i know, but the modules is build with m-a from shfs-source |
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| 07:37.45 | itchi | liable: I go for the shfs-source |
| 07:39.32 | liable | itchi: interesting.. http://people.mech.kuleuven.be/~pissaris/faq.html |
| 07:40.16 | itchi | liable: A local unif here kuleuven |
| 07:40.28 | liable | huh? |
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| 07:40.50 | itchi | liable: The link, the server is an local university of Belgium :-) |
| 07:41.06 | tuv | are there any nfs alternatives besides samba? |
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| 07:41.38 | liable | itchi: oh, heh |
| 07:42.11 | itchi | liable: :-p |
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| 07:42.18 | itchi | liable: The world is little :-) |
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| 07:42.32 | NaufraGo | I found this http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=85055 ... what can I do with that? |
| 07:43.12 | rahul | tuv: afs |
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| 07:43.25 | dondelelcaro | NaufraGo: uh.. this isn't #gentoo |
| 07:44.13 | NaufraGo | so, it doesn't mwork in debian? |
| 07:45.31 | dondelelcaro | NaufraGo: no. |
| 07:45.44 | dondelelcaro | esp. because it's just a script to compile some random source code, not a driver. |
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| 07:46.06 | sep | NaufraGo, just use the driver from cups. http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP1600 |
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| 07:48.04 | NaufraGo | sep, I don't understand |
| 07:49.24 | liable | cups has a driver for it. be happy :P |
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| 07:51.07 | itchi | marcels: Looks that your trouble is know and should be are resolved in 2.6.18 RC4 |
| 07:51.20 | tuv | rahul, afs looks like an overkill for a small home network |
| 07:51.41 | itchi | marcels: Scratchi gona give you the link on #debian-belgium |
| 07:52.01 | itchi | marcels: hhhm #debian-nl sad tab and enter :-p |
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| 07:52.16 | NaufraGo | the Common Unix Printing System has a driver for my ip1600 printer?????? |
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| 07:52.38 | sep | !install cups |
| 07:52.38 | dpkg | somebody said cups setup was Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 07:52.41 | rahul | tuv: it is :) |
| 07:52.50 | rahul | tuv: sshfs? |
| 07:52.52 | rahul | heh |
| 07:52.55 | WAVELENGTH | is there something like xsetroot for image formats like jpg, png and so on? |
| 07:53.12 | tuv | rahul, wouldn't it be a little slow? |
| 07:53.16 | itchi | rahul: Got the same trouble? |
| 07:53.16 | rahul | tuv: probably |
| 07:53.21 | marcels | itchi, I know it should be resolved, but it isn't in my case, so the sata disk come anyhow |
| 07:53.21 | marcels | but thanks anyway |
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| 07:53.29 | rahul | I don't have trouble. I _am_ trouble. |
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| 07:53.35 | itchi | marcels: wait, gona give the link |
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| 07:53.51 | tuv | rahul, i found samba 35% as fast as nfs on my network |
| 07:53.58 | rahul | tuv: no surprise |
| 07:53.59 | itchi | marcels: Look this report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=399120#24 |
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| 07:54.09 | tuv | rahul, i guess sshfs could be even slower |
| 07:54.17 | rahul | tuv: yeah, probably is |
| 07:54.40 | tuv | rahul, hmm.. then sshfs is no good. btw, what's the difference between sshfs and shfs? |
| 07:55.12 | itchi | marcels: Like you was on the way to buy another disk or controller ... Maybe try the newer kernel first?? |
| 07:56.11 | marcels | I have treid it with a 2.6.19-RC1 kernel, and still it doesn't work ;) |
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| 07:57.14 | itchi | marcels: hhhmm, weird, should you not report it?? |
| 07:57.47 | itchi | marcels: Like in the report, it's been told that it should be are solved :-/ |
| 07:58.34 | marcels | perhaps I should, but first I wan't to try and install it on a sata disk, caus e I need this machine this afternoon |
| 07:58.47 | itchi | liable: I go to give as title 'Kernel Oops', is that good? |
| 07:58.52 | marcels | I will file a bugreport later on this week |
| 07:59.02 | liable | itchi: sure |
| 07:59.18 | itchi | liable: I have checked, looks not yet reported |
| 07:59.38 | S1NGH | erm... i need some help with "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." |
| 08:00.03 | liable | itchi: ya, the log does show thunar as well, but shfs is te first one, so just make sure to paste all the output for them |
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| 08:00.53 | itchi | liable: I got it to when i ls on it, at least had got it before, yeah, now i have used thunar :-) |
| 08:00.54 | S1NGH | "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." - how can i fix this? |
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| 08:01.31 | liable | S1NGH: no idea. |
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| 08:01.45 | S1NGH | :( |
| 08:01.52 | S1NGH | anyone know? |
| 08:01.52 | itchi | liable: 4 important Right? |
| 08:02.09 | liable | itchi: that'll do |
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| 08:03.37 | S1NGH | people who have just entered - "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found." - how can i fix this? |
| 08:03.52 | unseensoul | besides acx100 and ndiswrapper what else can i use to set up a wi-fi network? |
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| 08:05.27 | liable | S1NGH: do you have sound working at all? |
| 08:05.32 | liable | unseensoul: what do you mean? |
| 08:05.53 | S1NGH | nope |
| 08:06.02 | liable | unseensoul: does ndiswrapper work without the wep enabled? |
| 08:06.24 | S1NGH | liable: there is an x with the speaker at the notification bar |
| 08:06.34 | liable | S1NGH: have you tries running alsaconf? |
| 08:06.38 | unseensoul | liable, yes |
| 08:06.43 | quagmire | so much trouble |
| 08:06.46 | quagmire | to get this all right |
| 08:06.47 | quagmire | augh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 08:06.50 | quagmire | I can't configure one more thing |
| 08:06.53 | quagmire | i've HAD IT |
| 08:07.18 | liable | unseensoul: and google shows no hits for the error ndis spews? |
| 08:08.03 | unseensoul | liable, yes, i'm tired of searching for :\ |
| 08:08.25 | S1NGH | liable: a sec, let me try again |
| 08:08.38 | itchi | liable: I dunno what more to write "Some time, after having mount an fs with shfsmount, an kernel Oops. Many stuff |
| 08:08.41 | itchi | are spawn to all active vt's. Same error as the dmesg output. See below." |
| 08:09.01 | S1NGH | liable:whats the command |
| 08:09.03 | itchi | liable: Then below of it, the output of dmesg, is that enought for it? |
| 08:09.05 | S1NGH | alsaconfig? |
| 08:09.44 | liable | alsaconf |
| 08:09.52 | liable | itchi: sure |
| 08:09.57 | itchi | liable: s/an/a/ appart that, is that been english an understandable? |
| 08:10.08 | S1NGH | command not found |
| 08:10.09 | TraceGreen | Hello, I have a host protected area in my harddisk which is a hidden partition, and i can use knoppix to mount it using offset, but i can't mount it in my debian system. |
| 08:10.23 | liable | itchi: might just want to add that its not your native language :P |
| 08:10.34 | liable | S1NGH: install alsa-utils |
| 08:10.40 | S1NGH | i just did |
| 08:10.42 | itchi | liable: Yup, but that these gone see it :-) |
| 08:10.44 | S1NGH | shall i reboot? |
| 08:10.49 | liable | run it as root |
| 08:10.54 | TraceGreen | I use command in knoppix: mount -t vfat -o offset=*** /dev/hda /mnt/hidpart |
| 08:11.08 | itchi | liable: I press the magic button? |
| 08:11.08 | TraceGreen | knoppix can mount the hidden partition, but in my debian system, error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop3,... |
| 08:11.14 | S1NGH | liable: ;) |
| 08:11.20 | itchi | liable: I dunno if it's enought info |
| 08:11.48 | liable | itchi: the dmesg output is what they need, and reportbug will give them your system info |
| 08:12.20 | itchi | liable: Yup, kernel version is added now below, hhhm, that was not so before i think, that's an new feauture? |
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| 08:12.45 | S1NGH | liable: do i need to reboot? |
| 08:13.18 | liable | no |
| 08:13.20 | itchi | S1NGH: You not need to reboot ;-) |
| 08:13.25 | liable | this isnt windows |
| 08:13.31 | TraceGreen | Can anybody help me? I have asked this question in this channel several days:-( |
| 08:13.44 | S1NGH | itchi: alright brb :D |
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| 08:14.04 | itchi | TraceGreen: Maybe you need the usenet |
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| 08:15.04 | itchi | shit SMTP send failure: SMTP AUTH extension not supported by server. |
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| 08:15.27 | liable | unseensoul: show me all the commands and output you get starting ndiswrapper and trying to set the wep key (paste it to a pastebot) |
| 08:15.29 | TraceGreen | itchi, maybe. I really don't know why. why knoppix 5.0 can mount my hidden partition but my debian system can not. |
| 08:15.42 | itchi | TraceGreen: I dunno |
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| 08:16.51 | liable | itchi: fix your reportbugrc |
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| 08:17.08 | S1NGH | erm..now i get : The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either that you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a sound card configured. |
| 08:17.09 | S1NGH | You can remove the volume control from the panel by right-clicking the speaker icon on the panel and selecting "Remove From Panel" from the menu. |
| 08:17.32 | itchi | liable: Yup, thought it was good, maybe did i somethings wrong in it :-) |
| 08:17.35 | sya | man, i get pingout like every hour, is there any scripts or app i can use to keep my connection alive? im on wireless |
| 08:18.48 | NaufraGo | I see cups doesn't support my iP1600 printer |
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| 08:20.00 | itchi | liable: I have added smtphost smtp.telenet.be; smtpuser foouser; smtppasswd foopasswd is that not right? |
| 08:20.34 | liable | itchi: should be |
| 08:20.44 | itchi | liable: Ba, looks not :-( |
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| 08:21.03 | liable | itchi: is that the same server address as you use in your mail client? |
| 08:21.16 | itchi | liable: Yup, just checked again |
| 08:21.39 | liable | itchi: try foo@smtp.telenet.be |
| 08:21.43 | liable | for user |
| 08:22.17 | itchi | liable: Oki, how can i test if reportbug can send that mail now? |
| 08:22.30 | liable | tell it to send it.. |
| 08:22.31 | itchi | liable: Just a fake test |
| 08:23.03 | itchi | liable: ba, he have give me that message ^, so the message is in /tmp/reportbug-shfs-source-20061228-14290-BCNasO |
| 08:23.12 | liable | hrm, i think i vaguely recall seeing that somewhere |
| 08:23.32 | itchi | liable: Looks like i need to rewrite the bug, or can i send that file directly with reportbug? |
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| 08:24.58 | itchi | liable: Ow, not thought reportbug had such many options, gona look wiht --help first |
| 08:25.27 | liable | reportbug -f /tmp/blah |
| 08:25.38 | liable | err, -i |
| 08:26.06 | RvGaTe | gooood morning debian ! |
| 08:26.38 | itchi | liable: I think not -i too |
| 08:26.49 | itchi | liable: Like he ask me agian for the title and so |
| 08:26.55 | itchi | RvGaTe: :-p |
| 08:27.08 | RvGaTe | itchi, :D |
| 08:27.12 | RvGaTe | itchi, i got the page working ! :D |
| 08:27.30 | RvGaTe | itchi, i even tested it with my mobile, and my computer turned on perfectly :) |
| 08:27.34 | itchi | RvGaTe: hhm, your script there on your website? |
| 08:27.42 | RvGaTe | http://pc.rvgate.nl/test/ |
| 08:27.44 | RvGaTe | that one |
| 08:27.47 | itchi | RvGaTe: The wake on lan stuff, yeah |
| 08:28.07 | liable | heh, wol via mobile? |
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| 08:28.13 | RvGaTe | yeah, haha |
| 08:28.19 | liable | nice :) |
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| 08:29.10 | RvGaTe | liable, if you have a internet enabled phone (wap), just open that site, i used a handheld stylesheet, so it will look completely different on your mobile compared to the browser |
| 08:29.34 | liable | so i can wake up your boxen? |
| 08:29.42 | RvGaTe | liable, if you know the password |
| 08:29.50 | itchi | Heh, my mobile support wap, never have try it on my own mobile haha |
| 08:30.00 | liable | RvGaTe: you write it? |
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| 08:30.14 | RvGaTe | liable, yeah, "just" a php script |
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| 08:30.41 | liable | RvGaTe: nice. |
| 08:31.38 | RvGaTe | liable, i've already done it like a year ago, http://pc.rvgate.nl/, but the new one scans the dhcp leases file for the available computers :P |
| 08:31.50 | RvGaTe | liable, and supports wol on mobile :) |
| 08:33.10 | liable | nifty |
| 08:33.33 | itchi | liable: I not find that --option to send it, looks like that file is simply a mail, ready to send |
| 08:35.03 | sid | armagetron was orphaned, o no! |
| 08:35.05 | unseensoul | liable, http://pastebin.co.uk/7868 |
| 08:35.25 | itchi | sid: Was, so good news, maybe sad for you :-p |
| 08:35.54 | itchi | sid: Not fast enought :-) |
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| 08:37.38 | liable | unseensoul: key in hex or acsii? |
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| 08:38.33 | itchi | liable: Have send it again, failed waaaahh |
| 08:38.41 | unseensoul | liable, hex |
| 08:38.59 | liable | unseensoul: btw, pasteing your wep key is fairly safe, i dont know which ap yours is of the millions in the world :P |
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| 08:40.03 | itchi | liable: Mine is PrOuT :-) |
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| 08:40.21 | RvGaTe | itchi, hmm, wait.. i can access that one :P |
| 08:40.24 | itchi | liable: If you need some mail checks, when your near me ;-) |
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| 08:40.36 | liable | itchi: :) |
| 08:40.45 | itchi | RvGaTe: ba, i change it every time i again do tilt :-) |
| 08:40.51 | unseensoul | liable, lol the wep key is 12365478965412365478965412 |
| 08:40.52 | unseensoul | :) |
| 08:41.28 | itchi | arg, is long time now sind i have changed too |
| 08:41.42 | liable | unseensoul: why not set the key in interfaces too? |
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| 08:42.28 | cydork_ | exit |
| 08:42.38 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 08:42.39 | liable | unseensoul: then ifdown and ifup it and see what dmesg says |
| 08:42.49 | cydork | hmm :) |
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| 08:42.58 | RvGaTe | cydork, you forgot the / :P |
| 08:43.09 | liable | itchi: i just mashed the keyboard to make my wpa passphrase :) |
| 08:43.13 | unseensoul | liable, ok, so i'll be back |
| 08:43.14 | unseensoul | :P |
| 08:43.20 | cydork | RvGaTe: na that was my evil twin bro :P |
| 08:43.29 | RvGaTe | cydork, i noticed :P |
| 08:43.53 | itchi | liable: Yeah, have looked to set that up, after testing the weakness of that wep, 8 mins and the wep is killed :-/ |
| 08:44.18 | liable | itchi: if you got a card and ap that supports it, you should use it |
| 08:44.35 | liable | wpasupp does good roaming support now too |
| 08:44.43 | itchi | liable: On the box, it's noted, not yet have setup it (shuuut) |
| 08:45.07 | liable | shuuut? |
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| 08:45.11 | itchi | liable: shuuut = not say it ;-) |
| 08:45.22 | unseensoul | liable, ifdown says nothing |
| 08:45.27 | unseensoul | an ifup |
| 08:45.29 | itchi | liable: That's english :-p |
| 08:45.31 | RvGaTe | liable, its like "sssst" only louder... |
| 08:45.31 | unseensoul | s/an/and |
| 08:45.39 | unseensoul | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 08:45.40 | unseensoul | ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready |
| 08:45.52 | unseensoul | that's what dmesg says |
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| 08:45.55 | liable | unseensoul: do it again |
| 08:46.08 | unseensoul | liable, i did it twice |
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| 08:46.18 | unseensoul | same results |
| 08:46.18 | liable | unseensoul: no need to log off irc |
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| 08:46.52 | itchi | liable: oh no |
| 08:47.15 | itchi | !beer liable |
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| 08:47.28 | itchi | liable: Stay here and you got some more ;-) |
| 08:47.38 | liable | i have a fridge full :P |
| 08:47.39 | itchi | s/got/get/ |
| 08:47.52 | itchi | liable: Not for long :-) |
| 08:47.54 | liable | no dogfish though |
| 08:48.11 | liable | unseensoul: at least a different error.. |
| 08:48.22 | phliver | "/ignore -channels #debian * JOINS PARTS QUITS " |
| 08:48.30 | phliver | lol oops |
| 08:48.38 | Ophobe | Evening everyone. |
| 08:48.50 | dimir | Evenink. |
| 08:48.56 | unseensoul | liable, yes, what might be the problem? |
| 08:49.01 | itchi | Ophobe: morning :-p |
| 08:49.51 | Ophobe | I'm getting myself a VPS tomorrow and have a choice of Linux distros. I was wondering what all your experiences with Debian are when using it as a dedicated web server. |
| 08:50.02 | liable | unseensoul: no idea, everytime i have gotten such messages i just remove and load modules and generally futz around untill it works :P |
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| 08:51.02 | unseensoul | liable, maybe my driver has no wep possible... |
| 08:51.08 | unseensoul | don't know |
| 08:51.20 | unseensoul | s/possible/support |
| 08:51.20 | liable | unseensoul: it says it supports wep and wpa in the dmesg output |
| 08:51.21 | bhundven | or it doesn't have support for the size of keys your using |
| 08:52.08 | bhundven | I know that my rt2500 doesn't support 256, but supports 140-something... I forget |
| 08:52.18 | unseensoul | liable, indeed, kinda weird |
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| 08:52.34 | moshii | Ophobe: I've used debian on both vps and dedicated machines |
| 08:52.57 | moshii | Ophobe: serving about 80gig a day with lighttpd |
| 08:52.59 | moshii | :/ |
| 08:53.24 | Ophobe | That's quite a bit of traffic. How did the servers fare? |
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| 08:53.39 | roger21 | hi |
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| 08:53.58 | liable | bhundven: even with the native linux drivers? |
| 08:53.59 | leafw | anyone has any definitive guide to external displays for laptops? |
| 08:54.13 | moshii | Ophobe: not bad, I wouldn't direct that much traffic at a vps though.. hence we moved to a dedicated box |
| 08:54.33 | iLLf8d | leafw, usually you plug them in and they work |
| 08:54.43 | leafw | iLLf8d : not for ppc laptops |
| 08:55.03 | iLLf8d | leafw, ah I dunno don't own any ppc laptops |
| 08:55.17 | itchi | leafw: Or just add an device section to in the xorg?? |
| 08:55.22 | roger21 | i got this when i apt-get update : "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 08:55.22 | roger21 | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 08:55.23 | roger21 | " |
| 08:55.28 | Ophobe | moshii: Understandable. What other services were you using? |
| 08:55.33 | leafw | itchi : I did, but it works if I reboot. Why can't I just plug it in |
| 08:55.47 | liable | roger21: upgrade debian-archive-keyring |
| 08:55.51 | roger21 | should i be worried ? |
| 08:55.56 | roger21 | oh |
| 08:55.57 | roger21 | ok |
| 08:55.58 | Ophobe | moshii: We're going to be running an nginx + mongrel + postgresql + rails setup. |
| 08:56.08 | itchi | leafw: Dunno, to be honnest, not yet have test that second output here |
| 08:56.24 | leafw | ok |
| 08:56.45 | itchi | leafw: Have you look on tuxmobile or linux on laptop, how the /others/ do it? |
| 08:56.47 | moshii | Ophobe: my suggestion would be to get one with a decent amount of memory, my personal vps has 128 and has started hanging from there being so little memory |
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| 08:57.21 | roger21 | liable, thx |
| 08:57.26 | leafw | itchi: what I would like is detailed explanations on xrandr, radeontools, and other xorg-related tools, which I can't find |
| 08:57.27 | Ophobe | Ah, we'll be starting out at 256 and can move seemlessly up to 512, 1024, or 2048. |
| 08:58.25 | itchi | leafw: Usually, i look how the others did it, not realy matters the same brand for that i think |
| 08:58.25 | itchi | leafw: Like here it's an general config setup |
| 08:58.25 | liable | unseensoul: hrm, have your removed the ndiswrapper module and reloaded it again then run ifup? |
| 08:58.26 | moshii | Ophobe: you'll want to tweak the amount of threads that applications spawn also so you're machine isn't over applying itself ;) |
| 08:58.33 | linux_user400354 | Dec 28 02:35:41 localhost sshd[6354]: Failed none for invalid user veronica from ip.of.client.pc port 42069 ssh2 what does that mean? the user is correct and the port for ssh is not 42069 |
| 08:58.55 | linux_user400354 | im trying to figure out why ssh wont let me login |
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| 08:59.17 | unseensoul | liable, no |
| 08:59.18 | Ophobe | moshii: Rails is a single-threaded framework, we'll be having to do plenty of tweaking. :) |
| 08:59.19 | liable | linux_user400354: what ssh command you using? |
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| 08:59.43 | linux_user400354 | ssh -l user -p port ip.address.of.server |
| 09:00.50 | Ophobe | Thanks for the insight moshii. I'm off to bed, but tomorrow I'll be back and on my VPS. :) |
| 09:00.56 | Ophobe | So I'm sure questions will abound. ;) |
| 09:00.57 | moshii | Ophobe: should be fine then. ask your provider not the install all the tomcat etc shite that the generally do too |
| 09:01.36 | Ophobe | Will do moshii. We have root access so we can remove whatever we see that we don't need. :) |
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| 09:04.12 | Ophobe | Have a good night. |
| 09:04.17 | itchi | gggrr, still not get an report send with reportbug :-( |
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| 09:05.23 | itchi | Looks so simply to configure |
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| 09:09.33 | linux_user400354 | i am trying to search a file .bash_history with grep. why is it giving me this message instead of searching it? Binary file .bash_history matches |
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| 09:10.10 | hagabaka | is there a way to update a deb package that i built, with a new debian/control (only some new build and runtime dependencies), without recompiling it? |
| 09:10.56 | itchi | hagabaka: With ar |
| 09:11.13 | itchi | hagabaka: You need to extract the stuff -x and modify it, replace -r it; done |
| 09:11.28 | leafw | can I at least make the machine list the attached displays |
| 09:11.51 | hagabaka | oh |
| 09:12.02 | hagabaka | is deb a format known to ar? |
| 09:12.10 | itchi | hagabaka: It's an archive |
| 09:12.28 | liable | dpkg -x |
| 09:13.41 | x_link | How can I see the temp. of my machine/CPU without closing down my computer to look in the BIOS? |
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| 09:13.59 | liable | hagabaka: you just want to edit the files, not actually have those things done to the binary? |
| 09:13.59 | x_link | I have a acpi, but i always shows 40 degress C, then I have mbmon. |
| 09:14.05 | x_link | But I want o try something else. |
| 09:14.06 | mrstocks_ | hi what is the name of the penguin game going down the slops ? |
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| 09:14.16 | x_link | A program that I can really trust. |
| 09:14.20 | liable | tuxracer |
| 09:14.28 | x_link | Does anybody know anything I can use/try? |
| 09:14.33 | mrstocks_ | oj thanks ! |
| 09:14.34 | liable | x_link: lm-sensors |
| 09:14.34 | hagabaka | by the binary you mean the .deb? |
| 09:14.37 | sep | renamed to ppracer lately i believ |
| 09:14.51 | liable | yep, i couldnt remember the new name |
| 09:14.51 | fireba11 | x_link problem is usually the temperature sensors aren't really exact |
| 09:14.52 | x_link | liable: apt-get install lm-sensors doesn't work. |
| 09:15.13 | liable | x_link: so search for the likely sounding package |
| 09:15.22 | x_link | ok |
| 09:15.22 | itchi | x_link: Look in /proc/acpi/ ?? |
| 09:15.28 | x_link | itchi: Okey. |
| 09:15.37 | x_link | less /proc/acpi/ ? |
| 09:15.47 | liable | no |
| 09:15.54 | itchi | x_link: There's an thermal on |
| 09:16.12 | x_link | sedde@xlink:~$ acpi -t Thermal 1: ok, 40.0 degrees C |
| 09:16.14 | liable | x_link: btw, lm-sensors should work... |
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| 09:16.44 | x_link | liable: It doesn't work for me. |
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| 09:17.22 | WilloW | hello can anyone give me the cmd to kill all pids containing apache as name please? through ssh |
| 09:17.25 | x_link | cat /proc/acpi/ ? |
| 09:17.27 | x_link | hrmm no. |
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| 09:17.32 | hagabaka | how does dpkg-buildpackage detect the runtime dependencies? |
| 09:17.56 | itchi | Wooaa, that urwid stuff of reportbug is a bit buggy, he always crash when i click in a text field (Etch) |
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| 09:18.34 | x_link | liable: Hrmmmm now it seems that apt-get install lm-sensors worked. Didn' work the last time I did i. |
| 09:18.37 | x_link | it. |
| 09:19.12 | WilloW | i got namy pids containing apache as name? i forget the cmd to be use can anyone give me the cmd to kill all the apache pids plz? |
| 09:19.13 | itchi | x_link: You need to tell then us what exactly not goes ;-) |
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| 09:19.30 | x_link | itchi: It worked now. |
| 09:19.41 | x_link | So all I need to do now is to type lm-sensors in my konsole? |
| 09:19.46 | liable | WilloW: just stop apache |
| 09:19.52 | x_link | And it will show the temp? |
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| 09:20.08 | WilloW | liable i wand also to kill all pids containing ircd as name.. |
| 09:20.24 | liable | WilloW: stop the ircd |
| 09:20.51 | WilloW | liable got too many ... and i want to stop all. |
| 09:21.15 | itchi | ggrrr, gona send the bugreport with evolution, i'm out, 9 times i have try to send it, and like i not know how to only try to send that reportbug without retyping the whole stuff, i give it up |
| 09:21.16 | liable | WilloW: stop it using the init script it comes with |
| 09:21.52 | WilloW | i know a cmd existe to kill all the pids. but th pb i forget it:( |
| 09:21.56 | WilloW | itchi any idea plz? |
| 09:22.06 | liable | pkill foo |
| 09:22.17 | liable | just usse the damn init.d script |
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| 09:24.59 | itchi | liable: Maybe tell him the whole story how to stop it |
| 09:25.37 | itchi | WilloW: Just doo /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 09:26.08 | x_link | itchi: Just one thing before you go=) |
| 09:26.16 | x_link | Can you tell me how to star/run this lm-sensors? |
| 09:26.22 | x_link | I would appreciate i alot. |
| 09:26.26 | x_link | it alot |
| 09:26.32 | itchi | x_link: eeuhm, i dunno :-) |
| 09:26.38 | x_link | My "t" button doesn't work that good. |
| 09:26.41 | itchi | x_link: Have you read the man page about the stuff? |
| 09:26.42 | x_link | itchi: Okey hehe |
| 09:26.51 | x_link | Honestly no. |
| 09:27.00 | x_link | I will do it now that you told me. |
| 09:27.08 | itchi | x_link: :-p |
| 09:27.25 | x_link | there is no man pages for it |
| 09:27.29 | x_link | man lm-sensors |
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| 09:28.08 | E-bola | Can anybody help me with snmpd in debian? |
| 09:28.16 | itchi | x_link: hhhm, wait, look with dpkg -L foo So you see which stuff there is installed with that package |
| 09:28.23 | E-bola | it doesnt seam like the daemon are using the mibs installed on the system, i can only pull stuff like uptime and system contact |
| 09:28.27 | E-bola | not cpu load |
| 09:28.29 | E-bola | or network load |
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| 09:28.40 | x_link | itchi: Okey, thanks man! |
| 09:28.49 | itchi | x_link: Nope :-p |
| 09:29.01 | x_link | I'm sorry if I'm bothering you or the other users here with my supid/lame questions. |
| 09:29.10 | x_link | I just want to learn =) |
| 09:29.37 | itchi | x_link: There are no dumb question :-) Or maybe, just some exceptions ;-) |
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| 09:30.01 | x_link | hehe |
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| 09:30.17 | x_link | dpkg -L foo |
| 09:30.18 | dpkg | ii foo 1.7-12 x_link's private stamp collection |
| 09:30.46 | x_link | !dpkg -L foo |
| 09:31.02 | x_link | hmm |
| 09:31.06 | x_link | How do I use this dpkg? |
| 09:31.12 | itchi | x_link: He not see the diff between caps and lower |
| 09:31.35 | itchi | x_link: Better not to abuse the bot ;-) see /msg dpkg selftell |
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| 09:31.56 | itchi | x_link: Just type '/msg dpkg selftell' without the both '' |
| 09:31.59 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: still here? |
| 09:32.04 | x_link | Okey |
| 09:32.14 | x_link | No such nick/channel |
| 09:32.16 | x_link | Didn't work. |
| 09:32.21 | itchi | x_link: He gona tell you how you can use the bot in private message, so you not flood here |
| 09:32.32 | x_link | Okey |
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| 09:32.52 | x_link | itchi: Don't you use lm-sensors? |
| 09:32.53 | itchi | x_link: You did a tipo i guess |
| 09:32.59 | itchi | x_link: no |
| 09:33.18 | itchi | x_link: Copy and paste the stuff ^ |
| 09:33.18 | x_link | itchi: I wrote exactly as you told me |
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| 09:33.36 | x_link | Now it worked =) |
| 09:33.44 | itchi | x_link: Typo :-p |
| 09:34.12 | x_link | Yes |
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| 09:35.18 | x_link | Then it should be /msg dpkg lm-sensors foo |
| 09:35.39 | tarzeau | cafuego_: yes |
| 09:35.55 | itchi | x_link: Maybe you want to search first, try '/msg dpkg search', he gona give some search hints |
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| 09:36.29 | dimir | itchi: how the hell did you manage to set the bloody blootbot up? I've set it up but it never does reply. It parses and knows what to reply though, cause he is replying in logs, but not actually sending back any data to the user, no matter privmsg or public. |
| 09:36.29 | tarzeau | cafuego_: drinking a tea, but just talk, i'll read my backlog |
| 09:36.35 | x_link | itchi: I did it right now ---> /msg dpkg lm-sensors |
| 09:36.51 | itchi | dimir: I never did it, what tell you here ;-) |
| 09:37.03 | dimir | Eh. :-) |
| 09:37.37 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: the problem was that my ldap db didn't have an large enough index on objectClass, thus it failed to filter on objectClass=posixAccount and thus thought there were no accounts in the db. |
| 09:37.47 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: db rebuild and voila |
| 09:38.01 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: all these little xen instances now have the same users and groups :-) |
| 09:38.27 | ericP | anyone here have any reason to believe w3m-el shouldn't run with emacs-snapshot (22.0.92.1)? |
| 09:38.33 | ericP | current debian (sid) dependancies are on emacs21 and xemacs21 |
| 09:38.36 | ericP | i'm considering downloading the source and adding emacs-snapshot to the that list |
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| 09:40.34 | x_link | itchi: hmmm |
| 09:40.40 | x_link | I did something now, probing etc. |
| 09:40.44 | x_link | In my konsole. |
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| 09:41.12 | frogonwheels | I'm using udev & dbus, but don't seem to be getting any udev events when I connect my mp3 player (which used to work fine). |
| 09:41.53 | frogonwheels | Should I expect to see something in udevmonitor when I attach a USB device like this? |
| 09:42.15 | cydork | frogonwheels: anything in dmesg? |
| 09:43.22 | frogonwheels | This is a dynamic thing - wouldn't have thought dmesg was relevent - so what should I be looking for there? |
| 09:43.45 | frogonwheels | I have USB headphones which seem to be registering fine. |
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| 09:44.24 | frogonwheels | Though they aren't flash when I disconnect /reconnect. |
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| 09:44.56 | frogonwheels | hrmph - nothing seems to be connecting now *sigh* |
| 09:45.39 | frogonwheels | have restarted my udev / dbus |
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| 09:46.28 | tarzeau | cafuego_: hehe nice :) |
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| 09:48.27 | E-bola | could anybody help me with snmp? |
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| 09:49.03 | cafuego_ | tarzeau: Yes, but *UGH* on disgnosing the actual problem |
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| 09:51.45 | ra1- | mysqld in Sarge is compiled with debugging support |
| 09:51.51 | ra1- | is there a way to disable |
| 09:51.54 | ra1- | the debuging |
| 09:51.55 | ra1- | ? |
| 09:52.10 | platin | Hello, Can someone tell me, where the installer (of Sarge) saves the domainname I give him at installation, please? |
| 09:52.28 | Chandu | platin, check /etc/hostname |
| 09:52.53 | Chandu | platin, sorry , /etc/hosts |
| 09:52.54 | platin | Chandu, There is only my hostname in it |
| 09:52.59 | sep | platin, and /etc/hosts and /etc/mailname |
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| 09:53.35 | frogonwheels | Any clues on a channel for udev support? |
| 09:54.22 | platin | Chandu, and sep : I checked the hosts file but there is only localhost.localdomain in it. Not the domainname I entered the installer. |
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| 09:54.55 | Chandu | platin, hope ur domain name has not taken , If U want u edit in this file |
| 09:55.19 | liable | ra1-: in the conf i would imagine theres a debug level setting |
| 09:55.43 | platin | Chandu, No , this domainname is only for a local network which is not "routed" into internet |
| 09:56.05 | platin | Chandu, But I am searching where the domainname is saved to |
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| 09:56.22 | platin | Chandu, at installation time |
| 09:56.31 | ra1- | liable: i would think so too |
| 09:56.37 | ra1- | but there isn't |
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| 09:58.05 | Chandu | platin, I am busy .. Tell u later |
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| 09:59.26 | itchi | !teel Chandu -about u |
| 09:59.28 | ELpH95o | ive thought about trying Debian but im not sure whether testing or stable is right for me |
| 09:59.29 | itchi | arg |
| 09:59.33 | itchi | !tell Chandu -about u |
| 09:59.43 | ELpH95o | i want something with recent packages but with stability |
| 09:59.46 | ELpH95o | :) |
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| 10:00.28 | ELpH95o | hyowever the good thing is in debian all of the compilers work |
| 10:00.38 | ELpH95o | that's the good thing of packages that dont work |
| 10:00.40 | liable | ELpH95o: well, testing is about to become stable, so atm, its the best of both, but once released, will become outdated fairly quickly if you are one that likes shiny newness |
| 10:01.00 | ELpH95o | however i dont have the fastest machine though |
| 10:01.05 | ELpH95o | i like how debian has the speed |
| 10:01.09 | ELpH95o | ubuntu is like sluggish |
| 10:01.22 | ELpH95o | and both are similar in looks |
| 10:01.29 | ELpH95o | my use is mostly audio production |
| 10:01.59 | ELpH95o | so what's after sarge? |
| 10:02.11 | ELpH95o | the names are a BIG clusterfuck |
| 10:02.41 | liable | if you cant remember three names, yes |
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| 10:03.17 | centrx | ELpH95o, testing has recent packages and is stable |
| 10:03.19 | itchi | !beer liable |
| 10:03.53 | itchi | liable: So you left one more in the fridge |
| 10:04.08 | ELpH95o | would you reccomend it for studio use? |
| 10:04.09 | centrx | ELpH95o, you should be bale to trim down ubuntu, but debian doesn't install crap by default |
| 10:04.41 | itchi | liable: I have not yet find what's happend there with reportbug to send somethings, have finaly send it with evolution, like usual :-( |
| 10:04.45 | liable | hrm, is it demudi thats the audio one? |
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| 10:04.58 | liable | !lose itchi |
| 10:04.58 | dpkg | itchi: You Lose. |
| 10:05.01 | liable | :P |
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| 10:05.15 | itchi | liable: :-p |
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| 10:16.08 | itchi | liable: maniadrive is near packaged :-) |
| 10:16.40 | fireba11 | itchi: what is that ? |
| 10:16.58 | itchi | http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ |
| 10:17.55 | ELpH95o | packages always confuse me especially with -dev stuff too |
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| 10:18.57 | itchi | liable: I have made a patch to modify the upstream version, but i'm a bit lost with that patch |
| 10:19.47 | itchi | liable: Need i to include that patch in the deb file, or just refere an line in the rules to apply the patch? |
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| 10:23.08 | itchi | liable: Yeah, i'm missing some basic knowledges about it |
| 10:23.27 | ELpH95o | i have wierd stuff in ubuntu happen |
| 10:23.37 | ELpH95o | like when i run xmms and select doublesize it freezes |
| 10:23.38 | itchi | ELpH95o: Go #ubuntu, |
| 10:23.48 | ELpH95o | does debian have theze problems? |
| 10:24.00 | ELpH95o | that's why im in here asking other debian users if they have stability probz |
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| 10:25.04 | itchi | ELpH95o: No problem here :-) |
| 10:25.26 | itchi | ELpH95o: xmms 1.2.10 |
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| 10:29.48 | threw | hi all ! |
| 10:29.52 | threw | i have a little problem: |
| 10:29.56 | liable | itchi: i think the maintainers guide mentions this. |
| 10:30.37 | itchi | liable: Yeah, but i not understand it right :-/ I try to apply it now in practice :-) It's just lack of experience |
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| 10:31.00 | ELpH95o | i'm a newbie by the way |
| 10:31.02 | Stalwart | why there's glibc2.3 in debian? |
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| 10:31.40 | Stalwart | oh, there's 2.5 in experimental... |
| 10:31.44 | itchi | liable: I think i got it, did some several stupid faults ;-) |
| 10:32.12 | itchi | arg, when we not know ... can be are so complicated |
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| 10:32.40 | threw | im trying to compile an SGE (package of SDL functions in a library) application: i have libsdl-sge-dev installed on my computer, but anyway when the software is linking, i get a lot of "undefined reference to" SGE functions. the line used to compile is: "g++ -o eggchess eggchess.o -Lsge/ -lSGE -L/usr/lib -lSDL" . does anyone have an idea please ? |
| 10:32.54 | itchi | liable: I did a patch on a dir, looks like he not like that |
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| 10:34.43 | threw | any idea please ? |
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| 10:35.00 | ELpH95o | when i install testing in graphical mode it asks me for some dictionary stuff |
| 10:35.20 | ELpH95o | is it reccomended i in stall in graphical mode or text mode? |
| 10:35.29 | dondelelcaro | ELpH95o: it doesn't matter. |
| 10:35.38 | ELpH95o | mmm ok |
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| 10:35.48 | ELpH95o | is it possible to get mplayer working ? |
| 10:36.00 | dondelelcaro | !mplayer |
| 10:36.01 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is only in Debian unstable. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
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| 10:37.32 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Is mplayer still in unstable? |
| 10:37.38 | pumpkin0 | where is the offical gnome channel ? #gnome on this server has 62 people ... there has to be a bigger one around. |
| 10:37.43 | fireba11 | dondelelcaro sadly vlc got some serious design flaws they didn't get around to fix yet |
| 10:37.57 | pumpkin0 | itchi: if you only use the offical repos: yes, |
| 10:38.21 | itchi | hhhmm |
| 10:38.23 | Stalwart | is it safe to upgrade libc6? |
| 10:38.41 | itchi | !info mplayer unstable |
| 10:38.48 | pumpkin0 | Stalwart: depends: which debian version, which libc6 ? |
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| 10:38.53 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 4194 kB, Installed size: 9556 kB |
| 10:39.06 | itchi | ha, here it show it |
| 10:39.09 | pumpkin0 | itchi: ups, sorry |
| 10:39.19 | Stalwart | pumpkin0: etch mostly, libc2.3, i need newer to run games, experimental has 2.5 |
| 10:39.33 | itchi | He not wanted to tell me that in pm, the bot |
| 10:39.35 | Stalwart | i think about upgrading to experimental |
| 10:39.54 | pumpkin0 | Stalwart: that will kill the system 9 times out of 10. |
| 10:40.28 | Stalwart | pumpkin0: upgrading libc or dist-upgrading to experimental? |
| 10:40.36 | pumpkin0 | Stalwart: both. |
| 10:40.44 | Stalwart | ah |
| 10:40.46 | Stalwart | ;[ |
| 10:40.51 | Brian_L | Im having issues compiling a driver for my Intel 3945ABG mini-pci wifi card. Could someone here familiar with this help me out? |
| 10:41.08 | pumpkin0 | Stalwart: even the seitch etch => sid is not pain free. experimental is even more probematic. |
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| 10:41.38 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: which driver are you trying to build ? |
| 10:42.05 | itchi | liable: patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. :-) |
| 10:42.10 | Brian_L | the sourceforge driver. ipw3945d |
| 10:42.12 | itchi | ggrrr |
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| 10:42.42 | x_link | itchi: I got hddtemp installed and working =) |
| 10:42.55 | Brian_L | pumpkin0: My problem is with building the ieee80211 package |
| 10:43.04 | x_link | My first hdd is 35C and my second hdd is 26C. |
| 10:43.07 | x_link | Is that to much? |
| 10:43.07 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: did go the debian-way or the compile-your-now way ? |
| 10:43.12 | Brian_L | compile my own |
| 10:43.24 | Brian_L | im willing to start from scratch if you have amethod that works :) |
| 10:43.30 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: bad idea. which debian ? etch or sarge ? |
| 10:43.34 | Brian_L | im using etch |
| 10:43.44 | kalli | I have debian router and i must install apache www server to view statistics i have php and html scripts , but i do not know what apache and php debian packages i must install please some one help me ? |
| 10:43.46 | Brian_L | but ill switch if its easier |
| 10:43.52 | Brian_L | just want wifi to work |
| 10:44.04 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: "apt-get install firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945-source ipw3945d" |
| 10:44.18 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: and forget the other experiment. |
| 10:44.47 | Brian_L | need to add an apt source |
| 10:44.49 | pumpkin0 | x_link: 35°C is OK for a drive. Keep it under 40°C. |
| 10:45.11 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: ? these are in the non-free repos => http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ipw3&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
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| 10:46.11 | itchi | x_link: Have 44 here, on a laptop |
| 10:46.58 | x_link | Okey |
| 10:47.11 | x_link | I just got this machine, on my other machine which I just sold I had a hdd fan. |
| 10:47.18 | x_link | It was a plastic/metalic thing with two small fans on it. |
| 10:47.23 | liable | hrm, weird, i baked up a dvd, it backed up ok, now vlc says it cant be decrypted, though i can play the original in mplayer.. |
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| 10:47.31 | x_link | I guess I will get two of hose again ( for eatch hdd) |
| 10:47.34 | Brian_L | pumpkin0: Im a newbie to debian, thanks! i can add packages.debian.org to my sources.list right? |
| 10:48.00 | itchi | Brian_L: no |
| 10:48.17 | itchi | Brian_L: Add the whole line in it |
| 10:48.25 | fireba11 | x_link: usually you are better of putting an 80mm fan or bigger close to the HDs .. that way it's also quiet :-) |
| 10:48.34 | Brian_L | itchi the link above? |
| 10:48.45 | itchi | Brian_L: Look how the others are noted there |
| 10:48.53 | Brian_L | ok i got you |
| 10:48.54 | Brian_L | thanks |
| 10:49.05 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: open /etc/apt/sources.list and add non-free at the end of each line. run apt-ge update. |
| 10:49.19 | itchi | Brian_L: ;-) |
| 10:49.24 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: or put the file into a pastebin and let us have a look. |
| 10:49.39 | Brian_L | all of the sources should basically have the same fiels? i justr need to add non free |
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| 10:49.57 | itchi | Brian_L: Not yet always |
| 10:50.05 | x_link | fireba11: Okey, but those fans are really quit. |
| 10:50.07 | x_link | And really cheap |
| 10:50.13 | x_link | 30:- swedish. |
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| 10:50.18 | x_link | 30/7.5= USD |
| 10:50.27 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: all offical mirrors should have that commonly used stuff. But ... there is no rule about it. |
| 10:50.54 | x_link | fireba11: + I don't have any place to set up a 80mm fan next to the hard drives, I don't know where I should put it then. |
| 10:51.21 | x_link | I can't set it on the sides, cause that metal thing covers the hard drives on the sides. |
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| 10:51.57 | threw | hi all ! |
| 10:52.30 | pumpkin0 | x_link: and if you just blow the hot air out in the back ? The air has to come back into the case, if the only wide-open space is right in fornt of the HDs ... |
| 10:52.31 | fireba11 | x_link: most cases got ventilation holes at the bottom front and place to put a 80mm fan there right in front of the HDs :-) |
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| 10:53.12 | x_link | I have like this. |
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| 10:53.37 | x_link | I have a 80 or a 90mm fan in the back, which I can adjust. That takes out the air. |
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| 10:55.54 | pumpkin0 | how do i keep gnome from changing the size of the icons for running programms ? Everytime the title for a running programm changes the taskbar readjusts the icons. |
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| 10:56.19 | x_link | And then I got a 80mm fan in the front of the case ( right under the fans) that blows in air. |
| 10:56.46 | fireba11 | x_link: taht should be more than enough |
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| 10:57.33 | x_link | fireba11: Okey |
| 10:57.50 | x_link | Then my PSU has a 120mm fan, but I don't know if that's doing any use. Proberly it does. |
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| 10:58.04 | x_link | fireba11: But I will try to fit in another of this 80mm fans. |
| 10:58.16 | pumpkin0 | x_link: my current setup: one big 120mm papst fan in the back and a hole in front of the HDs. 1 fan on the CPU. No other fans (removed the PSU-fan). HD-temps are around 25°C. And the box is quiet... |
| 10:58.20 | threw | could anyone help me please : http://pastebin.ca/raw/294326 ? i dont even understand why it doesnt link ! does it link well with the librarie listed by ls /usr/local/lib|grep gfx please ? |
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| 10:59.30 | x_link | pumpkin0: Okey. |
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| 10:59.54 | x_link | pumpkin0: The fan in the front of your computer, that one takes IN the air, righ? |
| 10:59.58 | x_link | right? |
| 11:00.13 | x_link | The backside fan should take OUT and the frontside fan should take IN, righ? |
| 11:00.23 | CAiRO | i have a problem with dbus, even after a user logs out, there are lots of dbus processes hanging around.. like 20 right now for a certain user.. how can i achieve that dbus quits when the user logs out? |
| 11:00.31 | threw | anyone has an idea please ? |
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| 11:00.46 | pumpkin0 | x_link: there is only one fan in the back, blwing air out. No fans in the frontpart. |
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| 11:01.20 | x_link | ok |
| 11:01.29 | x_link | I thought you said you had one fan in the front as well. |
| 11:01.41 | x_link | ahhh |
| 11:01.45 | x_link | "a hole in the front" |
| 11:01.47 | x_link | ok. |
| 11:01.48 | Brian_L | oh man! |
| 11:02.33 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: no luck ? put the sources.list into a pastbin and lets all have a look. |
| 11:02.55 | Brian_L | pumpkin0: I couldant figure out the right apt source line, so i grabbed the .debs. and tried to maually install |
| 11:02.57 | threw | really any advice please ? |
| 11:03.03 | Brian_L | im fixing the little mess now |
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| 11:03.26 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: don't do that. These packages have a lot of depends... |
| 11:03.30 | Brian_L | should i clear the cache |
| 11:03.49 | Brian_L | i stopped at the first error |
| 11:03.56 | Brian_L | how do i clean apt |
| 11:04.22 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: no need to clean the apt cache. Just get a decent sources.list. |
| 11:04.32 | sussudio | Brian_L: lintfree cloth and some warm, soapy water |
| 11:04.41 | Brian_L | ok ill pastemin mine now |
| 11:04.43 | Brian_L | :) |
| 11:04.44 | sussudio | !clean apt |
| 11:04.51 | sussudio | :-| |
| 11:05.02 | pumpkin0 | into a pastebin, not here, OK ? |
| 11:05.25 | phliver | Brian_L: paste it into this; http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 11:06.21 | itchi | liable: Ow, i have found it, i need patch -i |
| 11:06.39 | Brian_L | http://pastebin.com/846338 |
| 11:06.48 | itchi | weird |
| 11:07.11 | itchi | I not realy understand, if i use a whole path, i need -i ? |
| 11:07.17 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: you installed from CD, right ? |
| 11:07.23 | Brian_L | yes |
| 11:07.26 | Brian_L | i left those out |
| 11:07.36 | Brian_L | the cd entries |
| 11:07.39 | threw | could anyone help me please : http://pastebin.ca/raw/294326 ? i dont even understand why it doesnt link ! does it link well with the librarie listed by ls /usr/local/lib|grep gfx please ? |
| 11:08.43 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: use these: http://pastebin.com/846339 |
| 11:08.53 | threw | or does anyone know how to check if the function "texturedPolygon" is present in the libSDL_gfx.so |
| 11:08.59 | threw | please ? |
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| 11:09.47 | xingu | threat2: nm ? |
| 11:09.53 | xingu | s/threat2/threw/ |
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| 11:12.07 | geo-rge | threw: look into nm |
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| 11:12.39 | geo-rge | sdl comes as source too, check that |
| 11:12.43 | threw | hey ok nm is perfect thanks |
| 11:13.41 | nyk2005 | I removed my "python" packages, deleted all files containing python to get rid of multiple pyton installs. Now when I reinstall it with apt-get, it does not create /usr/bin/python or /usr/local/bin/python. How can I get it to do so? |
| 11:14.35 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: you probably removed a config and should use the dpkg-option confmiss for reinstalling. |
| 11:14.45 | itchi | liable: Patches works, now the man page :-) |
| 11:14.54 | liable | itchi: nice |
| 11:15.09 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: apt-get install confmiss python? |
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| 11:15.16 | boodie | hi |
| 11:15.26 | itchi | liable: need of patch -i when use of whole paths (what i not realy understand) |
| 11:15.30 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: i said it is a dpkg-option. check "man dpkg". |
| 11:15.43 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: yes, I deleted the config... because I had /etc/python-2.3 (2.4/2.5) |
| 11:15.50 | MM2 | nyk2005: with aptitude deinstall with _-key python packages, it will purge all. and then reinstall |
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| 11:16.25 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: sorry |
| 11:17.01 | pumpkin0 | !tell nyk2005 about confmiss |
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| 11:19.12 | itchi | jor: Hi, (as bonus) us have #debian-nl and some Dutch docs on the debian's wiki |
| 11:19.37 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: I still have no python executable with apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install python-imaging python-mysqldb pytho |
| 11:19.42 | nyk2005 | n |
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| 11:20.06 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: did you test the update alternatives scripts ? |
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| 11:20.52 | Martiini | how do I force aptitude dist-upgrade ... even if it would break my system |
| 11:21.10 | itchi | Martiini: Take the hammer and slam |
| 11:21.33 | pumpkin0 | Martiini: read at man-page. |
| 11:21.53 | boodie | nyk: I have python problems too ... |
| 11:22.20 | dorel__ | would debian run on those pc engines wrap boards? |
| 11:22.49 | itchi | Martiini: Why would you do that? |
| 11:22.51 | pumpkin0 | dorel__: what boards ? |
| 11:23.25 | quagmire | hi |
| 11:23.32 | Martiini | itchi I wanna upgrade to latest experimental .. but aptitude wants to keep back packages and refuses to upgrade |
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| 11:23.51 | itchi | Martiini: Hope's you know what your doing |
| 11:24.21 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: How can I do that? |
| 11:24.24 | dorel__ | pumpkin0: like this one: http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm |
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| 11:24.34 | itchi | Martiini: Let me permit it; if you dunno how to force to install; you have nothings to do with experimental |
| 11:24.53 | pumpkin0 | Martiini: Let's optimise this: it will break your system way beyond repair. So simply format the disc and reinstall right away. |
| 11:24.53 | Brian_L | pumkin0: I have the packages installed i just have to configure things, Thanks for all of the help! |
| 11:25.00 | Brian_L | heh |
| 11:25.03 | Martiini | Im just testing the latest on my laptop .. Ive tried upgrade like this before .. using dpkg and aptitude .. ended up having a frankenstein system .. but working one |
| 11:25.11 | nyk2005 | MM2: this didn't work, unfortunately.. |
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| 11:25.55 | pumpkin0 | Brian_L: read the docs /usr/share/doc/ipw*. It is more or less simple now. |
| 11:26.23 | Martiini | is there a simple way to make aptitude ignore dependencies and force packages install |
| 11:26.29 | pumpkin0 | dorel__: yes, these should work |
| 11:26.41 | dorel__ | ok thanks. |
| 11:27.07 | pumpkin0 | dorel__: but consider a mini-ITX boards. These are faster and easier to manage. |
| 11:27.22 | Brian_L | :) mini-itx is nice |
| 11:28.12 | pumpkin0 | dorel__: or a nslu2. slower but esaier to manager |
| 11:28.46 | dorel__ | I see |
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| 11:30.21 | zOap | anyone know how I can make application windows in xfce appear at 0,0(NORTH_EAST) window postion? it defaults to NORTH_WEST... |
| 11:30.41 | pumpkin0 | dorel__: hell, even a linksys WRT WLAN router is better documented. |
| 11:31.19 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: Now I managed to install python2.4, but it doesn't find the python-imagaing or python-mysqldb modules... because they're not for 2.4? |
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| 11:31.39 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: ...and installing python2.4-imaging doesnt work |
| 11:31.55 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: have you messed with the source.list ? |
| 11:32.01 | itchi | zOap: You need an little app, i no more remember the name of it |
| 11:32.24 | zOap | itchi, oh, do you remember what you googled for?:) |
| 11:32.55 | itchi | zOap: no :-/ |
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| 11:33.15 | zOap | itchi, ok, I'll do some searches. thanks anyway:) |
| 11:33.22 | nyk2005 | MM2: no its sarge stable |
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| 11:33.33 | Ono | can i get debian.org mail? |
| 11:33.41 | nyk2005 | I mean pumpkin0 |
| 11:33.46 | sya | how come i set the owner to 'root' and attributes to "+r" and the user can still download that file? |
| 11:33.48 | sya | anyone know? |
| 11:33.52 | zOap | itchi, btw, is this for xfce solely or for gnome/kde aswell? |
| 11:34.04 | dondelelcaro | sya: because it's 444, not 400 or 440. |
| 11:34.05 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: show me that source.list ... |
| 11:34.19 | itchi | zOap: Yes, works for all, i looking to |
| 11:34.26 | zOap | itchi, thanks |
| 11:34.31 | sya | dondelelcaro, what should i use? |
| 11:35.03 | sya | i just did: chown root:root test.file && chmod +r test.file |
| 11:35.04 | geo-rge | Ono: if you pass a lot of tests and become a debian maintainer |
| 11:35.13 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/846345 |
| 11:35.24 | dondelelcaro | sya: stat test.file; and consider again what's happened. |
| 11:35.29 | Ono | ok thanks geo-rge |
| 11:35.39 | dondelelcaro | sya: for further information, info coreutils 'File Permissions' |
| 11:35.51 | dondelelcaro | !modes |
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| 11:35.59 | dondelelcaro | !permissions |
| 11:35.59 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 11:35.59 | sya | 400 works |
| 11:36.13 | geo-rge | you will need to know a MINIMUM of C, bash/sh, shell, data structures, algorithms, systems theory |
| 11:37.41 | geo-rge | very probably perl |
| 11:37.47 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: python2.4-imaging is not in sarge. You want python-imaging (which installs the 2.3'er version) |
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| 11:38.28 | nyk2005 | ok, so I remove python 2.4 and install python 2.3 |
| 11:38.32 | pumpkin0 | Ono: you don't get given one of these, you have to hack yourself one. (kidding) |
| 11:38.47 | geo-rge | you'll have to show you know how to do debian packaging |
| 11:38.49 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: the imaging-lib should work with 2.4 as well. |
| 11:39.00 | Ono | pumpkin0: :) |
| 11:39.06 | nyk2005 | but why doesn apt-get install python install python? |
| 11:39.31 | geo-rge | and finally you will have to supply identification, like a drivers license |
| 11:39.34 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: you ask for python and get python ... |
| 11:40.01 | nyk2005 | I dont get it.. :) |
| 11:40.33 | geo-rge | if you do all those things, then you might get in right away... maybe 2-5% chance of that... more likely, you will wait a year or three |
| 11:40.34 | nyk2005 | because I have to be specific? |
| 11:40.58 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: you ask apt-get to install python. apg-get installs python. What is the problem ? Would you be more happy if apt-get installed php instead ? |
| 11:41.20 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: but I get no python executable |
| 11:41.25 | zOap | j/ #ion |
| 11:41.36 | geo-rge | nyk2005: maybe you should identify specifically what you are trying to do |
| 11:41.39 | nyk2005 | only when I apt-get install python2.3 |
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| 11:42.05 | geo-rge | so... if you want the executable, install that |
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| 11:42.34 | itchi | zOap: I dunno, not find it anymore back |
| 11:42.36 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: you removed files of packages that where still installed so apt-get gets confused. you should have purged the packages and reinstalled them. |
| 11:42.43 | jatt | (python policy in debian is a mess, why so many versions (python2.3, python2.4, python2.5)?) |
| 11:42.47 | geo-rge | I'll join with pumpkin0's question... what is the problem? |
| 11:42.49 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: the meta-package python depends on python2.3 |
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| 11:42.55 | zOap | itchi, ok. thanks for the help anyway:) |
| 11:43.04 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: I did aptitute purge python |
| 11:43.16 | geo-rge | so that's a problem? |
| 11:43.18 | jatt | python2.3 - An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3) |
| 11:43.18 | jatt | python2.4 - An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.4) |
| 11:43.18 | jatt | python2.5 - An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5) |
| 11:43.32 | pumpkin0 | nyk2005: that only removes the meta-package and leaves the rest installed. |
| 11:43.43 | jatt | c'mon that's ridiculous |
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| 11:44.30 | geo-rge | jatt: why did you repeat that paste three times? |
| 11:44.34 | pumpkin0 | jatt: well hat mess is created by python: if python 2.5 would be able to run python 2.3 progs ... 2.3 would be gone a long time ago. |
| 11:44.35 | nyk2005 | pumpkin0: ah ok... now I removed the modules also... maybe it works... |
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| 11:44.45 | jatt | in comparison, there is *one* perl version: |
| 11:44.45 | jatt | perl - Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language |
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| 11:45.03 | jatt | pumpkin0: are you saying the different python versions are not backwards compatible? |
| 11:45.04 | geo-rge | you're pasting to the channel again |
| 11:45.06 | boodie | I have a problem with python - do you imply that perl is a better investment? |
| 11:45.21 | pumpkin0 | jatt: nope, no 100% backward comp in python. |
| 11:45.47 | jatt | pumpkin0: ? why is python 2.5 not able to run python 2.3 programs? |
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| 11:46.06 | geo-rge | jatt: sheesh. he just answered that |
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| 11:46.22 | pumpkin0 | jatt: not _all_ programms. Basic stuff works. (i will repeat this another time) |
| 11:46.22 | jatt | pumpkin0: oh, I missunderstand |
| 11:46.46 | cast | how do i set my x background image? |
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| 11:47.01 | boodie | Well - I had three nice scripts in python running smoothly, then I upgraded to etch, python 2.4 whatsoever + postgresql 8 + they don't work any more and I 'm running 'round like a headless chicken |
| 11:47.08 | geo-rge | cast: how do you load an image? |
| 11:47.27 | pumpkin0 | cast: depends on your windowManager. KDE, gnome, xfce, icewm, windowmaker,... ? |
| 11:47.52 | jatt | pumpkin0: I've heard the pyhton mess is a packaging (or better a pyhton *Debian* policy issue). And that in fact python (from python.org) is backwards compatible. But maybe those are only rumors. I avoid to use python. |
| 11:48.04 | geo-rge | boodie: it looks like you need the python you wrote the script for |
| 11:48.05 | cast | geo-rge: well, xv will do it but thats not in main, neither is xsri, e17setroot likes to segfault |
| 11:48.16 | geo-rge | xview is |
| 11:48.31 | cast | pumpkin0: not gnome...but, right. gnome-control-panel will do it :) |
| 11:48.40 | pumpkin0 | boodie: downgrade to python 2.3 and try again. |
| 11:48.56 | geo-rge | why does every window manager think it has to duplicate functionality? |
| 11:49.19 | geo-rge | that is -stupid-, bloated and unmaintainable |
| 11:49.23 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: look at compiz/berly/metacity and ask that again ... |
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| 11:52.46 | jatt | boodie: maybe you should write your scripts in another language. Installing more than one interpreter version to run old scripts is unacceptable IMHO. At least until the python mess is cleaned up, maybe some day. |
| 11:52.51 | boodie | geo-rge: strangely enough, two scripts require <import _pg>, where before I had written <import pg> ... the third script conversely accepts only <import pg>, writes into the database everything as ever, but fails writing into a data type field. I've tried every possible format (US, ISO, EU ...) with no result. Now people in this channel told me to go elsewhere (#python and/or #postgresql), righteously, but the #python cha |
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| 11:53.20 | boodie | I might consider perl |
| 11:53.33 | jatt | boodie: yes that could be an alternative |
| 11:53.36 | geo-rge | boodie: what's this for |
| 11:54.49 | geo-rge | things might change a LOT with perl6 |
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| 11:55.17 | geo-rge | the internals are already very different |
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| 11:55.32 | boodie | Well, I want my home expense in a database. Simply I made a script to draw an HTML form: after all the mess of etch, postgresql and python upgrading, I discovered that I had to call <import pg> |
| 11:55.45 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: well at least the subversions (2.1 vs 2.2 vs 2.3) do not change much. And basic perl 3 scripts are still working on perl 5. |
| 11:55.50 | geo-rge | but that's not to say you can't stick with perl5.8 or so |
| 11:57.17 | geo-rge | if python is not upward compatible, its developers don't have a lot of control over the project, nor do they have much vision or care for their users |
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| 11:58.00 | geo-rge | assuming that's the case, I won't say perl is a better investment, but I would conclude python is a worse one |
| 11:58.05 | boodie | then a second script gets the data from the form, and a third gets it and connects to a posgresql database. They are calling each other as subroutines |
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| 11:58.55 | jindal | hello guys, some illegitimate firewall rules are applied when the system boots up(or when eth0 comes up) .. check out http://jindal.pastebin.ca/294360 ..... dunno where these rules come from.. |
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| 11:58.55 | geo-rge | so... when they call each other... does that involve loading the python interpreter executable? |
| 11:59.19 | geo-rge | would this be a cgi thing? |
| 11:59.25 | boodie | yes |
| 11:59.31 | boodie | Indeed |
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| 12:00.05 | jindal | the scipt is http://jindal.pastebin.ca/294362 |
| 12:00.05 | geo-rge | if you do cgi as it was originally intended, the interpreter loads every time you hit... |
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| 12:00.27 | geo-rge | now you're saying they call another python script... so ANOTHER python interpreter loads? |
| 12:00.37 | boodie | The scripts are under /usr/lib/cgi-bin, and the script has a bang path on the top ... |
| 12:00.56 | geo-rge | this is why I sometimes say... cgi is so 1990s |
| 12:01.46 | boodie | I have the suspicion that the interpreter is somehow confused by the libraries it loads |
| 12:01.47 | geo-rge | there are far more efficient techniques available today, not the least of which is to embed an interpreter into the web server, a la mod-perl for apache or tcl for aolserver |
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| 12:02.21 | boodie | But I'm running apache to do that |
| 12:02.39 | geo-rge | another consequence of original cgi, is the operating system calls fork() and exec() every hit |
| 12:03.06 | geo-rge | ask your operating system if it likes forking a million times a day :) |
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| 12:03.29 | boodie | As you might have guessed I'm a hobbyist - so not surprisingly i'm unprofessional ... |
| 12:03.54 | boodie | So, how can I do better? |
| 12:04.00 | geo-rge | well, ok... |
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| 12:05.14 | geo-rge | you probably need a language whose designer isn't going to abandon you every new version (by abandon I mean render your existing software useless) |
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| 12:05.55 | boodie | This is one of the reasons why I hate microsoft |
| 12:06.16 | boodie | But python looked quite easy ... |
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| 12:06.59 | geo-rge | see, tho, I'm not familiar myself with this python situation |
| 12:07.29 | geo-rge | it -could- be that a rewrite will survive new versions |
| 12:08.11 | geo-rge | but you'd have to rewrite using some limitations which allow your scripts to be portable |
| 12:08.37 | boodie | The scripts are fairly small; I'm sure that I can (with some headache) convert it into perl, oc maybe C (with a lot of headache) ... |
| 12:08.50 | geo-rge | C? :) |
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| 12:09.23 | xingu | x3.159, whatever |
| 12:09.26 | geo-rge | yes, that would be my point too, lots of detail work |
| 12:09.28 | boodie | Well, what other language could I use? |
| 12:10.24 | xingu | I'd take a guess that python minor bumps are no more or less entertaining than say perl5.003->5.005 |
| 12:10.25 | geo-rge | see what languages you like... there are python (which we pretty much know you do like), perl, tcl, scheme, lisp |
| 12:10.27 | boodie | I'm a non IT person, so I have the impression that C would be a bloodbath for me |
| 12:10.56 | geo-rge | xingu: yeah, I have that impression too |
| 12:11.08 | boodie | Python packaging in debian is whimsical, it seems |
| 12:11.47 | geo-rge | boodie: these scripting languages like python et al, can do far more with much less hassle than c |
| 12:12.02 | geo-rge | you use c to make a new shell command |
| 12:12.13 | geo-rge | or write an operating system kernel |
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| 12:12.23 | boodie | Perl is going a major upgrade, so I might be back at square one in a year time |
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| 12:13.16 | geo-rge | not if you're careful... and I'm not so sure that perl5 is going to go away soon after perl6 starts working |
| 12:13.21 | boodie | On the other hand C is super documented and ready made routine can be found anywhere |
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| 12:13.38 | geo-rge | look at cpan.org |
| 12:13.54 | geo-rge | Comprehensive Perl Archive Network |
| 12:14.08 | obstfliege | guten morgen |
| 12:14.12 | geo-rge | mainly they are things you can stick onto perl |
| 12:14.19 | boodie | You see, connecting to a database such as postgresql, always needs a library which is beyond my control |
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| 12:14.37 | geo-rge | but it's not beyond your control |
| 12:14.50 | geo-rge | because: the source to the library is there |
| 12:15.01 | niru | hello geo-rge |
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| 12:15.06 | niru | and hello all |
| 12:15.07 | geo-rge | hi |
| 12:15.23 | niru | how is simple CDD different from CDD |
| 12:15.36 | geo-rge | simple |
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| 12:16.01 | boodie | well, thanks for now; It's lunch time here - see you later, geo-rge and all |
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| 12:21.03 | kijjaz | how can i force dpkg to remove a package? i've got this error: |
| 12:21.09 | kijjaz | (while apt-getting) |
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| 12:21.23 | geo-rge | kijjaz: rafb.net |
| 12:21.23 | kijjaz | Removing graphviz-cairo ... /var/lib/dpkg/info/graphviz-cairo.postrm: 11: dot: not found |
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| 12:21.37 | kijjaz | dpkg: error processing graphviz-cairo (--remove): subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127 |
| 12:21.57 | kijjaz | geo-rge: thanks. |
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| 12:22.30 | geo-rge | did you try to change anything in /usr/ not in /usr/local/? |
| 12:23.12 | MoDaX | kijjaz: fix or rm postrm |
| 12:23.23 | geo-rge | one thing you can try is reinstalling the package and then remove it |
| 12:23.27 | kijjaz | geo-rge: hmm.. nope. the problem occured after removing Azureus .. just that. |
| 12:23.54 | geo-rge | hmm, is that related to graphviz in some way? |
| 12:23.56 | kijjaz | geo-rge: and now i just can't remove / install anything. |
| 12:24.02 | kijjaz | -_-" .. |
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| 12:24.12 | MoDaX | kijjaz: that package is unofficial |
| 12:24.25 | MoDaX | kijjaz: and broken |
| 12:24.46 | MoDaX | kijjaz: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/graphviz-cairo.postrm and try again |
| 12:24.57 | geo-rge | that information would have been helpful BEFORE he installed |
| 12:25.02 | kijjaz | MoDaX: oh thanks. i'll try now. |
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| 12:25.52 | geo-rge | besides, he's saying he cannot install or remove anything, so his problem is likely deeper |
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| 12:26.23 | kijjaz | MoDaX: wow!! that works! .. just removing that works .. ^_^ |
| 12:26.49 | MoDaX | geo-rge: he can't because apt-get tries to remove graphviz-cairo and thus fails and bails out |
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| 12:27.34 | geo-rge | is that a failing of apt-get specifically? as opposed to say aptitude |
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| 12:27.52 | kijjaz | MoDaX: hmm... |
| 12:28.20 | geo-rge | kijjaz: are you able to install/remove stuff now? |
| 12:28.29 | kijjaz | geo-rge: it says it fails during subprocess post-removal.. i dunno much about these things. |
| 12:28.39 | kijjaz | geo-rge: it's all okay now ^_^ |
| 12:28.40 | MoDaX | geo-rge: aptitude is no better in this regard |
| 12:28.52 | cydork | geo-rge: the postrm file was failing nothing related to aptitude or apt-get |
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| 12:29.08 | Biff | hey |
| 12:29.28 | Biff | how can i get dpkg-buildpackage to use more then one cpu? |
| 12:29.44 | geo-rge | does the kernel? |
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| 12:30.02 | Biff | yes |
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| 12:30.26 | geo-rge | then it should probably already use the cpus |
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| 12:30.46 | Biff | in top i just see one process |
| 12:30.49 | Biff | cc1 |
| 12:30.57 | Bagoor | What's equal to xlibs-dev package in Debian Etch ? |
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| 12:31.35 | geo-rge | Bagoor: iiuc, those libs were split into individual libs |
| 12:32.05 | Coke | It seems crystalspace3d has been in unstable for almost a year, any idea when it might find it's way into Etch? |
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| 12:32.22 | erchache | anybody can help me with munin? |
| 12:32.37 | valdyn | Coke: check the bts? |
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| 12:32.48 | MoDaX | Biff: I don't think there is a way to do this |
| 12:32.54 | geo-rge | Coke: that would happen automatically when there's not a bug for awhile... plus, etch is frozen... it's not likely to make it |
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| 12:33.14 | valdyn | Biff: make is responsible for this, make -j2 makes it use 2 concurrent processes where possible |
| 12:33.16 | Bagoor | geo-rge: so, there is no package which install all of them ? |
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| 12:33.35 | geo-rge | dunno about that part |
| 12:33.35 | erchache | munin doesnt show graphics can anybody help me? |
| 12:33.56 | Biff | valdyn: yup, but since i'm using dpkg-buildpackage, which itself calls make, how can i make it make -j2 (doh :P) |
| 12:33.59 | geo-rge | why doesn't munin show graphics? |
| 12:34.26 | erchache | yepa |
| 12:34.36 | valdyn | Biff: maybe with alias or by setting MAKEFLAGS or by reading the dpkg-buildpackage manpage or by editing the buildscript |
| 12:34.37 | geo-rge | why doesn't munin show graphics? |
| 12:35.05 | erchache | only render default page |
| 12:35.05 | erchache | geo-rge |
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| 12:35.39 | Bagoor | Biff: tell me the result if you could find the answer :) It will be useful for me too. |
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| 12:37.40 | geo-rge | Bagoor: see valdyn's response |
| 12:38.00 | Bagoor | Biff: right, maye this works : alias make="make -j2" |
| 12:38.55 | Coke | geo-rge: doh. |
| 12:38.56 | Bagoor | s/maye/maybe |
| 12:39.02 | Coke | What is the name of the next testing? |
| 12:39.19 | CharminTheMoose | does etch have xorg drivers for the i810 chip? |
| 12:39.21 | geo-rge | lenny? |
| 12:39.25 | geo-rge | dunno |
| 12:39.29 | valdyn | !etch+1 |
| 12:39.37 | valdyn | !test |
| 12:39.37 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 12:39.38 | Biff | valdyn: thanks |
| 12:39.44 | CharminTheMoose | !lenny |
| 12:39.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 12:39.51 | Biff | Bagoor: export MAKEFLAGS="-j2" seems to work |
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| 12:40.17 | Coke | Aha. |
| 12:40.18 | valdyn | dpkg, etch+1 is <reply>Ask me about <lenny>. |
| 12:40.18 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 12:40.21 | dimir | Who did set up blootbot? |
| 12:40.34 | Bagoor | Biff: cool, thx |
| 12:40.51 | geo-rge | the guy who wrote blootbot |
| 12:40.59 | dimir | Probably. |
| 12:41.13 | geo-rge | not probably :) he was working on it here |
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| 12:41.44 | geo-rge | you mean dpkg? |
| 12:41.45 | dimir | I need to know is it my configuration that it does not respond on IRC but does well to the log. |
| 12:41.48 | dimir | ye. |
| 12:41.51 | geo-rge | dpkg: what are you |
| 12:41.51 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 12:41.59 | zOap | itchi, are you here? |
| 12:42.00 | Biff | Bagoor: yep, seems to work. get 2 cc-processes now, and it runs a bit faster |
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| 12:42.26 | geo-rge | dimir: does it join a channel |
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| 12:42.35 | dimir | geo-rge: yeah. |
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| 12:42.53 | dimir | geo-rge: I have the blootbot.chan file configured and it joins whatever I want it to. |
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| 12:43.02 | geo-rge | have you tried different networks? |
| 12:43.02 | dimir | Also it responds, but only in the logs. |
| 12:43.10 | dimir | Hmmm. |
| 12:43.12 | dimir | No, just freenode. |
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| 12:43.18 | Biff | time said it had the same user time now, but about half the real time |
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| 12:43.37 | geo-rge | I'm not sure that's relevent... but that would be a good thing to try |
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| 12:43.57 | dimir | Yeah, I'll do that, thanks. |
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| 12:44.11 | geo-rge | plus you could check its user mode |
| 12:44.27 | dimir | It's +i and something else. |
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| 12:44.37 | dimir | I wonder if +i is ignore all or something. :-) |
| 12:44.47 | geo-rge | invisible? |
| 12:44.52 | geo-rge | but that shouldn |
| 12:45.02 | geo-rge | t affect whether it can talk |
| 12:45.08 | dimir | I'll check user mode... |
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| 12:45.43 | geo-rge | we know it's not ignoring... since it's responding :) |
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| 12:45.47 | dimir | [+iw] |
| 12:46.08 | geo-rge | I have no idea what +w is |
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| 12:46.18 | geo-rge | btw, you're asking it on channel? |
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| 12:46.45 | geo-rge | also... can you try setting up an infobot and see if it works here |
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| 12:47.50 | geo-rge | they upgraded the servers here recentlyu |
| 12:47.55 | rusher | can anyone help me with a debian installation (x) |
| 12:48.11 | Ronin | rusher: just ask your real question |
| 12:48.15 | geo-rge | rusher: not unless you say what the problem is |
| 12:48.18 | dimir | I'm asking both on channel and privmsg. I have it configured to respond to both. And it does respond to both, but only writing answers to logs. As if it couldn't send to the IRC. |
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| 12:48.25 | rusher | i instaleld debian but the display is wrong |
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| 12:48.29 | rusher | how do I setup the display |
| 12:48.48 | rusher | xf86config did not work |
| 12:48.56 | geo-rge | dimir: ok, look where in the code it sends something out |
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| 12:49.00 | cydork | !drxx rusher |
| 12:49.00 | dpkg | rusher: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 12:49.04 | jabka | how can i remove a module from karnel (modprobe -r only stuck the system) |
| 12:49.11 | jabka | after make install |
| 12:49.31 | rusher | thanks |
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| 12:49.40 | geo-rge | when you find it, ask yourself is the statement that actually does the outputting returning anything? |
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| 12:50.17 | rusher | <--switched from ubuntu to debian |
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| 12:52.52 | biopyte | hi. lets say i'd like to find 'def' within 'abcdefghi' comin. what tool could i use that reads from stdin and outputs to stdout? sed, awk? how use it? echo 'abcdefghi' | sed .... what? |
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| 12:53.28 | biopyte | but not perl or so, please |
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| 12:53.40 | biopyte | rather leightweight |
| 12:54.09 | geo-rge | biopyte: once you pick something, read its docs |
| 12:54.30 | biopyte | sed or awk? both do the job? |
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| 13:08.10 | cydork | !qotd0 |
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| 13:11.58 | itchi | zOap: Yes |
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| 13:13.13 | Shadowcat | !qotd0 |
| 13:13.13 | dpkg | <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
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| 13:14.05 | itchi | zOap: But gona go, see you later here ;-) |
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| 13:16.03 | zOap | itchi, devilspie is the name of the app. thanks for all the help:) |
| 13:16.04 | capiira | morning :) |
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| 13:17.28 | mangz74 | morning |
| 13:17.37 | capiira | i ran into a small prob last night trying to setup dm-crypt using installer LVM |
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| 13:18.32 | capiira | its working but i was impossible to create more than one partition on a crypted LVM |
| 13:18.57 | capiira | then installer it |
| 13:19.00 | capiira | ups |
| 13:19.11 | capiira | it was impossible! |
| 13:19.19 | biloti | hi folks! I want to install etch on a desktop machine without dvd drive (I don't want to keep switching 10 or more cds!). However, I have a laptop with DVD drive, which I could connect to the desktop. Any clue how to speed up the installation process? |
| 13:19.45 | blondie | how do I stop iptables logs spamming the console (ttyS0)? |
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| 13:20.05 | Ronin | biloti: net install an option on the desktop? |
| 13:20.15 | capiira | after creating a small partition on the crypted LVM the freespace was unusable |
| 13:20.41 | biloti | Ronin: to slow to a full install, but good enough to update from security, for example |
| 13:21.07 | capiira | now i have one LVM for each partition but that kinda sucks becuase i need to type my pass twice while booting |
| 13:21.08 | Ronin | biloti: net install is too slow? id have to disagree with that, unless of course your not on broadband |
| 13:21.30 | capiira | netinstall worked fine here |
| 13:21.33 | capiira | around 30 min |
| 13:21.35 | biloti | Ronin: not net install, but my connection... |
| 13:21.47 | pumpkin0 | biloti: you can create a deb-mirror using the DVDs and use that during install. |
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| 13:22.24 | capiira | so anyone know something about crypted lvm? |
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| 13:22.40 | biloti | pumpkin0: where? on laptop? Unfortunately, I do not have enough free space to store the whole three dvd on laptop... |
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| 13:23.45 | biloti | Is there a way such that desktop sees the dvd drive of my laptop as a drive of its own? |
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| 13:24.45 | liable | biloti: for using apt? |
| 13:25.13 | biloti | liable: ? |
| 13:25.23 | pumpkin0 | biloti: yess... but only via NFS & co. So it sees a fileserver, not a DVD-drive. |
| 13:25.38 | maxy | sounds to me like netinstall will be the faster option (than figuring out how to share the DVD) |
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| 13:26.27 | maxy | you won't download the whole DVD content... |
| 13:26.49 | biloti | I would be satisfied to use the first dvd at least |
| 13:26.51 | pumpkin0 | biloti: i would install the base only (that needs 1-2 CDs) and do the rest afterwards via NFS. |
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| 13:28.48 | biloti | The laptop was recentely installed, and most of the packages I want on the desktop are the same that are on laptop. Could I set up a mirror on laptop, to hold (almost) just those packages? |
| 13:29.28 | pumpkin0 | biloti: you can share the deb-cache after the installation. |
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| 13:30.03 | biloti | deb-cache was cleaned many times due to space constraints |
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| 13:30.38 | pumpkin0 | biloti: uhm... if you clean the cache the debs are gone. read about apt-proxy. |
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| 13:32.42 | biloti | pumpkin0: I know. I mean, knowing the packages that are installed on laptop, could I try to set up a mirror just with that packages. I could get them from DVD, or from the net (somewhere else were the net were reliable) |
| 13:34.06 | pumpkin0 | biloti: tricky, sorry i cannot help you there. |
| 13:34.29 | biloti | thanks :-) |
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| 13:35.59 | rusher | i just installed debian and the packages are odl even after a distupgrade, why is firefox 1.4 only |
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| 13:36.28 | fulldisclosure | Hi, I am trying to compile gnomebluetooth from debian svn and it fails when I try to compilefirst a needed library. |
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| 13:36.45 | fulldisclosure | Did someone here compile gnome-bluetooth from svn? |
| 13:36.51 | Ronin | rusher: running sarge by any chance? |
| 13:37.38 | rusher | 3.1 |
| 13:37.42 | rusher | not sure the name |
| 13:38.01 | Ronin | sarge then |
| 13:38.08 | jelly-home | rusher: that is expected on Debian stable (codename sarge, 3.1 all right) |
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| 13:38.12 | Ronin | stable only gets security updates so its locked in |
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| 13:38.33 | rusher | what should be in my sources.list |
| 13:38.37 | Ronin | you'll never get the "latest" version of an app, only like i said updates |
| 13:38.49 | pumpkin0 | rusher: get "etch". |
| 13:38.52 | Eulex | rusher, nothing more than you already got... |
| 13:39.10 | rusher | dam I thought this was the new one |
| 13:39.16 | Eulex | rusher, that is, if you wanna be running sarge |
| 13:39.18 | Ronin | rusher: it is |
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| 13:39.44 | Ronin | rusher: there are 3 releases of debian, stable, testing and unstable, well 4 but i wont mention that one |
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| 13:40.01 | Ronin | you may want to look into upgrading to testing if you need the latest, that or backports |
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| 13:40.16 | rusher | i have to reinstall ? |
| 13:40.16 | biloti | rusher: you could bring some newer packages from etch to sarge by means of backport.org |
| 13:40.18 | rusher | the os? |
| 13:40.23 | Ronin | rusher: no you dont have to reinstall |
| 13:40.26 | Ronin | !backports |
| 13:40.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 13:40.28 | Eulex | testing is supposed to go stable soon, so it should be pretty stable |
| 13:40.34 | kenock | hi |
| 13:40.35 | Shadowcat | yawn |
| 13:41.12 | Eulex | !sarge->etch |
| 13:41.13 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 13:41.18 | pumpkin0 | rusher: there are always 3 versions of debian: stable, testing and unstable. unstable is for linux-gurus, so forget it. testing is the newer-packages maybe a hiccup or two version. stable is for people that really, really need a 100% stable system. You can upgrade w/o reinstalling. But you cannot downgrade. testing is OK for destkops now. |
| 13:41.23 | biloti | add "deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 13:41.29 | kenock | is there a fullscreen slideshow applet package in debian? |
| 13:41.53 | fulldisclosure | Hi, I am trying to compile gnomebluetooth from debian svn and it fails when I try to compilefirst a needed library. |
| 13:42.07 | pumpkin0 | fulldisclosure: why do you compile ? |
| 13:42.11 | Eulex | kenock, slideshow? applet? |
| 13:42.22 | fulldisclosure | pumpkin0, Because there is not gnome-bluetooth in debian etch. |
| 13:42.42 | kenock | Eulex: yeah, i want an applet to start a slideshow fr a browser. |
| 13:42.43 | fulldisclosure | pumpkin0, There is bluez-gnome and isn't enought for bluetooth transfering. |
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| 13:43.22 | pumpkin0 | fulldisclosure: you sure (just syncing my palm via bluetooth ...) |
| 13:43.25 | Eulex | kenock, guess this is a desktop environment-specific question |
| 13:43.35 | biloti | rusher: besides, edit your /etc/apt/preferences to be like http://rafb.net/p/3eb5Or33.html |
| 13:43.54 | fulldisclosure | pumpkin0, But can you send a file from debian to a celular phone for example ¿? |
| 13:44.06 | fulldisclosure | pumpkin0, What do you use for that? |
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| 13:44.24 | kenock | Eulex: it is whether there is such a package. A non-free version called MJS is available online. |
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| 13:44.54 | pumpkin0 | fulldisclosure: i never had too tranfer files. (palm-xfer) |
| 13:45.15 | danilom | some alternative in linux for "microsoft certificate server" to create digital signatures in INTRANET?? |
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| 13:45.59 | pumpkin0 | dan2: digital sigs for what ? |
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| 13:46.42 | Eulex | kenock, an applet to start some slideshow sounds just like a launcher that would run a script that would run some fullscreen slideshow app would be needed... |
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| 13:46.59 | abchirk | abrotman ? |
| 13:47.07 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:47.15 | abchirk | did you got spam from chanelle? |
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| 13:47.26 | abrotman | abchirk: nerp |
| 13:47.30 | abchirk | no isnt in a channel |
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| 13:47.40 | abrotman | noone loves me |
| 13:47.46 | blondie | awww |
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| 13:47.51 | abchirk | lol |
| 13:48.10 | danilom | pumpkin0, for insert in documents, |
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| 13:48.29 | liable | !love abrotman |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 13:48.38 | danilom | pumpkin0, like in openoffice, it require a digital certificate,, |
| 13:48.43 | kenock | Eulex: visit http://www.mandrixx.net/java-slideshow.php to know what I need. |
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| 13:48.53 | blondie | ffs spammers |
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| 13:49.45 | kenock | liable: go straight on and f--- him. |
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| 13:50.18 | Eulex | kenock, ah. assumed you meant applet as in an applet in a panel in your desktop environment. no idea. |
| 13:50.57 | liable | kenock: uh, no thanks |
| 13:51.04 | Eulex | kenock, note that I think most people will think you mean that when you say 'applet'... |
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| 13:51.31 | kenock | Eulex: k, thks, anyway. |
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| 13:52.46 | kenock | liable: in that case, let him f--- you then. |
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| 13:53.35 | liable | ... |
| 13:53.35 | kenock | liable: either way, you are both going to enjoy it. |
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| 13:54.01 | sep | kenock, is something wrong with your uck keys ? or are you afraid of the word fuck ? |
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| 13:54.55 | liable | wtf is going on with people cycling? |
| 13:55.01 | blondie | liable: fucking spammers |
| 13:55.04 | sep | home for dinner :) |
| 13:55.06 | blondie | not just in here :( |
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| 13:55.23 | liable | blondie: not spammers, i would blame the network |
| 13:55.26 | kenock | sep: you got it all wrong, it was meant to be 'fork'. :D |
| 13:55.30 | blondie | liable: I wouldn't |
| 13:55.31 | kgoetz | wish freenode would just ban the whole addres space |
| 13:55.55 | liable | blondie: rob is staff, he just cycled |
| 13:56.10 | rob | yep, weeding them out |
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| 13:56.54 | liable | rob: its spammers or what? |
| 13:57.05 | rob | yep |
| 13:57.36 | liable | ok, i eat my words then :) |
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| 13:57.50 | kenock | blondie: this is no spamming. i objected to #debian being used for gay activities, the things that 'liable' said earlier on about what he would do to 'abrotman'. i want it stopped. |
| 13:58.09 | abrotman | oh shush |
| 13:58.23 | blondie | erm |
| 13:58.32 | blondie | nothing wrong with gay activities :P |
| 13:58.37 | liable | kenock: how about you stop being a troll? |
| 13:58.44 | kenock | blondie: you should be suggesting the two of them be kickbanned. |
| 13:58.53 | Ronin | kenock: for what? |
| 13:58.54 | blondie | kenock: why? |
| 13:59.02 | Ronin | alternative life styles? |
| 13:59.09 | rob | whist it would be nice to ban the whole lot, its a little unfeasible currently |
| 13:59.13 | kenock | this is just not the place for it. |
| 13:59.34 | abrotman | kenock: drop it already |
| 14:00.00 | kenock | abrotman: fuck you, bye. |
| 14:00.13 | kgoetz | at last |
| 14:00.17 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:00.21 | liable | ah, sg tard |
| 14:00.26 | cydork | hmm sg people hates gays? :P |
| 14:00.36 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:00.48 | blondie | 14:00:01 < kenock> abrotman: fuck you, bye. |
| 14:00.51 | blondie | oh the irony. |
| 14:00.56 | liable | hah |
| 14:01.01 | Ronin | blondie: ahh come on that took a lot of courage for them i bet |
| 14:01.02 | cydork | heheh |
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| 14:04.03 | danilom | an alternative to microsoft certificate server in linux????????? |
| 14:04.17 | blondie | !????? |
| 14:04.23 | sussudio | !ep |
| 14:04.23 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 14:04.32 | kgoetz | my ? buffer just overfloowed :( |
| 14:04.54 | danilom | sorry |
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| 14:06.19 | capiira | so anyone know how to setup one passphrase for all partitions using a dm-cryped lvm? |
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| 14:06.32 | liable | meh, what happened to the old ep.. |
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| 14:06.37 | kgoetz | danilom: LPI? |
| 14:06.42 | kgoetz | or RHCE? |
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| 14:06.50 | kgoetz | hm. heres probably not a good place to sugest the latter |
| 14:07.04 | danilom | kgoetz, can make my own certificate for the intranet |
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| 14:07.40 | jello | kgoetz: he means SSL cert |
| 14:07.42 | debian | hello |
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| 14:07.51 | jello | !greet junior-debian |
| 14:07.52 | dpkg | Nihao, junior-debian |
| 14:08.00 | junior-debian | please i need help |
| 14:08.05 | kgoetz | jello: heh |
| 14:08.05 | jello | !ask |
| 14:08.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:08.08 | kgoetz | i see |
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| 14:08.12 | junior-debian | i use debian etch |
| 14:08.24 | liable | grrr, why doesnt gconf work with compizzle any more |
| 14:08.39 | jello | !congrat junior-debian |
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| 14:09.51 | junior-debian | sorry |
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| 14:09.53 | junior-debian | ok |
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| 14:10.07 | junior-debian | init 0 |
| 14:10.08 | erchache | hi...im triying to configure munin on debian etch |
| 14:10.14 | erchache | and doesnt show any graphic |
| 14:10.25 | erchache | how i can configure nodes to do that? |
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| 14:10.32 | pumpkin0 | liable: it switched to non-brain-dead config system ? nice. |
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| 14:11.04 | liable | pumpkin0: where the hell is it documented properly? |
| 14:11.09 | jello | danilom: you don't need a server to create an SSL certificate |
| 14:11.23 | junior-debian | Floating Point Exception |
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| 14:11.29 | junior-debian | all programs |
| 14:11.33 | wizho | hi |
| 14:11.34 | pumpkin0 | liable: it is compiz. It is not suposed to be documented or useable... |
| 14:11.40 | junior-debian | skype, kafinne |
| 14:11.43 | junior-debian | kaffine |
| 14:11.48 | pumpkin0 | !br |
| 14:11.48 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:11.50 | wizho | do u know the package "patch & patchutils" |
| 14:12.15 | jello | !ask |
| 14:12.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:13.17 | wizho | i have a problem with apt-get., I'm running debian sarge, canu help me? |
| 14:13.31 | jello | wizho: ^^^ |
| 14:13.36 | pumpkin0 | !tell wizho about ask |
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| 14:13.55 | wizho | xD |
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| 14:14.17 | wizho | when i do apt-get install patch & patchutils |
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| 14:14.32 | wizho | it start to download but never ends |
| 14:14.40 | wizho | may be the "&"? |
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| 14:14.50 | rsk | wizho: remove it |
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| 14:14.54 | rsk | and it will work |
| 14:15.00 | jello | wizho: yes, & is a special character, don't use it |
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| 14:15.11 | jello | wizho: just do apt-get install patch patchutils |
| 14:15.11 | wizho | but wich is the name of the "package" |
| 14:15.15 | wizho | aps |
| 14:15.16 | wizho | ok |
| 14:15.17 | LLcoolM | i only get empty mails |
| 14:15.23 | LLcoolM | since today |
| 14:15.24 | ofer1 | wizho, use: aptitude install patch patchutils |
| 14:15.27 | cydork | LLcoolM: awww |
| 14:15.31 | LLcoolM | is that problem known? |
| 14:15.33 | liable | pumpkin0: you use this csm thing? |
| 14:15.35 | LLcoolM | i use kmail |
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| 14:16.16 | LLcoolM | all are 1,9kb big |
| 14:16.20 | wizho | any luck with a postfix guide? |
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| 14:16.27 | pumpkin0 | liable: i removed compiz after testing for 10 mins ... |
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| 14:16.38 | biloti | wizho: whenever you don't know exactly the name of package, search for it with: apt-cache search <search-key> |
| 14:16.48 | liable | pumpkin0: well, thats very helpfull |
| 14:16.53 | wizho | thx biloti |
| 14:16.53 | jello | wizho: postfix-doc ?? |
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| 14:17.18 | blondie | ffs |
| 14:17.18 | wizho | isn't about postfix, was about a whole mailserver |
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| 14:17.32 | liable | blondie: ignore joins/parts |
| 14:17.46 | LLcoolM | ok, it is no kmail problem |
| 14:17.55 | jello | liable: how do you do that in irssi? |
| 14:18.08 | jello | liable: and can you do it per channel?' |
| 14:18.25 | blondie | /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS |
| 14:18.28 | blondie | jello: that's how |
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| 14:18.40 | jello | blondie: thx |
| 14:18.49 | wizho | kuek |
| 14:18.51 | wizho | done |
| 14:19.19 | blondie | jello: /save :P |
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| 14:20.02 | wizho | * Added #debian!*@* to ignore list |
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| 14:20.03 | wizho | :S |
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| 14:20.24 | maxy | it should only ignore parts of quiet people |
| 14:20.48 | maxy | but of course that's too difficult for the software ;) |
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| 14:21.02 | blondie | wizho: that line is for irssi... probably not other clients :P |
| 14:21.14 | blondie | maxy: you could write a script ;) |
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| 14:21.37 | maxy | nobody bothers |
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| 14:22.55 | maxy | takes too long to learn the interface |
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| 14:23.18 | manup | hi! i am trying to install debian on my notebook (hp nx6325), from network minimal cd. all i get after "linux26 acpi=off" is a black screen. How do i install debian? |
| 14:23.49 | jello | .save |
| 14:23.55 | biloti | manup: what version of debian? sarge? etch? |
| 14:23.56 | blondie | manup: type linux26 acpi=off vga=771 |
| 14:23.58 | blondie | I think |
| 14:24.06 | blondie | that's what I need on my hp nx6125 anyway |
| 14:24.11 | manup | blondie, i ll try |
| 14:24.18 | manup | biloti, sarge |
| 14:24.34 | biloti | blondie: on my laptop, I use vga=791 |
| 14:24.35 | erchache | why debian etch amd64 doesnt have bigmem kernel? |
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| 14:24.43 | liable | vga=ask |
| 14:25.07 | manup | blondie, it works. |
| 14:25.09 | biloti | erchache: 64bit doesn't need bigmem at all, afaik |
| 14:25.16 | erchache | :-s |
| 14:25.20 | manup | blondie, thx a lot. |
| 14:25.23 | blondie | :) |
| 14:25.27 | erchache | ooopss....a lamer question |
| 14:25.29 | erchache | jejeje |
| 14:25.34 | biloti | :-) |
| 14:25.34 | Moorenkopf | is there a quick tool for Gauss elimination? I want to keep it simple, nothing like mupad or kinda that. |
| 14:25.36 | erchache | biloti: thanks for advice |
| 14:25.38 | erchache | :-P |
| 14:25.47 | jello | Moorenkopf: giyf |
| 14:25.52 | erchache | biloti: do you use munin? |
| 14:25.59 | erchache | i have a little trouble with it |
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| 14:26.14 | biloti | Moornkopf: what kind of too? a library or a software? Try octave or GSL |
| 14:26.39 | biloti | erchache: no, I don't even know it |
| 14:26.42 | IPGHOST | :) |
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| 14:26.55 | Moorenkopf | a litle python skript that reads from keyboard would do it |
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| 14:27.41 | maxy | octave:1> [ 1 2 ; 3 4 ] \ [1 ; 4] |
| 14:27.45 | biloti | Moorenkopf: I'm not sure if I understand what you want |
| 14:27.50 | maxy | that what you're looking for? |
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| 14:28.21 | maxy | (solution of a linear equation system) |
| 14:28.51 | biloti | manup: still regarding instal debian on your laptop you should try etch |
| 14:28.55 | Moorenkopf | maxy: yes, that's it |
| 14:29.01 | manup | biloti, why?` |
| 14:29.57 | biloti | manup: it is almost stable (in a short time it will be) and it's install process was really improved |
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| 14:30.03 | IPGHOST | (f) |
| 14:30.13 | dn4 | IS there a VMware player in apt-get? |
| 14:31.03 | manup | next problem: the installer tells me, that i have no hda installed. i have a sda-device in my notebook and it is connected. so, how do i find the hdd? |
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| 14:31.04 | FaithX | dn4 don't think so... qemu |
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| 14:31.21 | manup | the error occurs by loading the partitioning module |
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| 14:31.45 | biloti | manup: what sda device? |
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| 14:32.13 | FaithX | manup: what are you installing on and what installer are you using? |
| 14:32.13 | manup | biloti, sata |
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| 14:32.29 | biloti | I see... |
| 14:32.46 | dn4 | FaithX: qemu? |
| 14:32.48 | FaithX | manup: If you are using sarge you cannot see the sata drive unless you use a late kernel |
| 14:32.50 | biloti | manup: as I told you, you should try etch |
| 14:33.10 | manup | FaithX, i use the 2.6 kernel |
| 14:33.17 | biloti | everything would run smoother |
| 14:33.17 | manup | biloti, why is etch better? |
| 14:33.26 | FaithX | dn4: I reckon qemu is quicker than vmware... depends what you want to do bu Xen is generelly the answer |
| 14:33.28 | manup | hmm.. |
| 14:33.29 | blondie | etch has much newer "stuff" |
| 14:33.39 | blondie | I can't get 2.6.8 to work properly with my SATA drives |
| 14:33.44 | biloti | it's newer, with a smater new installer |
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| 14:33.45 | blondie | they won't mount until after boot |
| 14:33.48 | cydork | FaithX: well actully qemu is not quicker.. |
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| 14:34.04 | FaithX | cydork: Than VMWare? |
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| 14:34.10 | FaithX | Is on my box |
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| 14:34.17 | cydork | FaithX: but the performance increases if you use kqemu with it. |
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| 14:34.26 | manup | blondie, where do i get etch? |
| 14:34.27 | cydork | FaithX: yep |
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| 14:34.44 | FaithX | cydork: I assume you gotta have kqemu |
| 14:34.55 | FaithX | Or it's a dog |
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| 14:35.15 | blondie | www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 14:35.39 | cydork | FaithX: which is again non-free :P |
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| 14:36.13 | FaithX | qemu is just so neat and tidy... without all the bloat... if you just want to run an instance of windows xp, or mess with another install of linux |
| 14:36.42 | FaithX | cydork: free... but not as in Open Source |
| 14:37.19 | manup | blondie, should i take amd64? |
| 14:37.43 | blondie | manup: well I use that, yes (AMD Turion 64) |
| 14:37.57 | cydork | FaithX: well when i say non-free i meant *evil* by dfsg standards :P anyways there is KVM now. Haven't tried it though |
| 14:38.02 | blondie | though I think some things might not work with it... like Adobe Flash or something |
| 14:38.03 | manup | blondie, okay, then I'll try too. |
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| 14:38.30 | manup | blondie, i think, this is a question of time until it will be supported. |
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| 14:38.50 | IPGHOST | hi any reason to use Debian instaed Fedora |
| 14:38.59 | FaithX | manup: what mobo are you running... what sata chipset? |
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| 14:39.26 | ofer1 | IPGHOST, of course there are. if there weren't, we would all use Fedora, don't you think? |
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| 14:39.30 | FaithX | IPGHOST: if you ever want to understand how linux / posix works then yes... |
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| 14:40.16 | IPGHOST | look my Boss said me tell me reasons to use debian what shoud i say to him |
| 14:40.25 | manup | FaithX, where do i see? |
| 14:40.31 | cydork | !why debian |
| 14:40.32 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 14:40.49 | cydork | IPGHOST: ^^ |
| 14:40.50 | jatt | cydork: why is non-free "evil by dfsg standards"? |
| 14:40.57 | fireba11 | IPGHOST what's his alternative choice ? :-) |
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| 14:41.08 | IPGHOST | Fedora & FreeBSD |
| 14:41.10 | cydork | jatt: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 14:41.15 | IPGHOST | i like FreeBSD |
| 14:41.17 | FaithX | IPGHOST: I am surprised that redhat haven't created a monolithic registry by now instead of /etc & flat files |
| 14:41.30 | IPGHOST | ok |
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| 14:41.44 | FaithX | manup: in the manual for your mobo |
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| 14:42.34 | FaithX | manup: Just get an installer that uses a 2.6.12 kernel or so and you should be fine. |
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| 14:43.16 | manup | FaithX, yeah, i'm downloading etch at the moment. |
| 14:43.19 | FaithX | manup: 2.6.8 just wasn't ready for sata |
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| 14:44.10 | FaithX | manup: you will be fine... but it wouldn't be considered a "production" class install |
| 14:44.35 | yos872 | Hi, I have question , how can I know some user client? |
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| 14:44.47 | biloti | manup: when you boot with netinstall cd, try install-guy option (worked just fine for me) |
| 14:44.51 | manup | FaithX, you think, i get problems? |
| 14:45.03 | biloti | (install-gui, I mean) :-) |
| 14:45.08 | liable | yos872: 'users' |
| 14:45.22 | yos872 | liable: yes |
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| 14:45.35 | yos872 | what he use of client |
| 14:45.36 | fulldisclosure | fireba11, If you find that great video in ogg I will download it, for sure |
| 14:45.36 | manup | biloti, okay, but i think, i like the texed based more. |
| 14:45.38 | fulldisclosure | :-) |
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| 14:45.40 | efaistos | what do you use in your user_prefs for spamassassin to authorize every mails from a mailing list ? |
| 14:45.47 | fulldisclosure | fireba11, Sorry anyway, for the /ame |
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| 14:45.51 | manup | biloti, this is because i want to learn from the installation. |
| 14:45.55 | liable | yos872: what the hel are you talking about? |
| 14:45.59 | fireba11 | ;-) |
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| 14:46.21 | biloti | manup: I love text based tools too, but the new installer surprised me |
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| 14:46.44 | yos872 | liable: sorry, I did not recognize what does hel mean ! |
| 14:46.53 | liable | yos872: if you are talking about irc, /ctcp user |
| 14:47.15 | liable | yos872: if you are talking about irc, /ctcp version user |
| 14:47.25 | biloti | manup: you could always see what is going on with ALT+F2 and ps |
| 14:47.32 | maxy | yos872: hell. That's where you're going if you /ctcp every user here. |
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| 14:47.47 | yos872 | liable: I mean , for example, I want to know what client do you use (irc client) |
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| 14:47.59 | yos872 | somepeople know my client |
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| 14:48.22 | liable | yos872: see what i said. type in your irc client /help ctcp |
| 14:48.42 | yos872 | maxy: that time he said hel , not hell |
| 14:50.06 | FaithX | I have a ubuntu question |
| 14:50.17 | liable | yos872: /ctcp liable version |
| 14:50.18 | Nibbier | what about... #ubuntu? |
| 14:50.25 | biloti | FaithX: try #ubuntu |
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| 14:50.35 | manup | biloti, but i cant type commands, or? and if i have to type everything, then i learn sth. from it. |
| 14:50.46 | mzilikazi | which application provides mail command? |
| 14:51.12 | FaithX | xmail |
| 14:51.12 | Nibbier | sendmail eg |
| 14:51.12 | biloti | manup: sure you can! |
| 14:51.13 | liable | yos872: beware, some people get annoyed when you version them |
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| 14:51.28 | yos872 | liable: i did not get your version? |
| 14:51.30 | manup | biloti, is there any advantage` |
| 14:51.31 | manup | ? |
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| 14:51.53 | liable | yos872: check your server window |
| 14:51.53 | cydork | mzilikazi: mailx or mailutils i guess. also /msg dpkg search |
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| 14:52.27 | biloti | manup: no, it's just a suggestion to you, so you can taste the new installer fully |
| 14:52.33 | yos872 | liable: i check it , no messages |
| 14:52.34 | FaithX | oops yeah mailx |
| 14:52.44 | liable | yos872: shrug |
| 14:53.28 | yos872 | liable: what shrug? sorry , I seems have poor english ! |
| 14:53.54 | liable | yos872: i dunno why you didnt get a reply |
| 14:54.07 | mc__ | yos872: maybe dict.leo.org helps |
| 14:54.22 | yos872 | liable : no , I'm taking from other, But not from you ! |
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| 14:54.45 | mzilikazi | well i'm trying to set up dovecot reading this howto: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/275 |
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| 14:54.50 | yos872 | liable: other give, but don't give, i think it's because you are use irssi |
| 14:54.51 | mzilikazi | but it errors: |
| 14:54.52 | mzilikazi | dovecotError: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 28: Unknown setting: imap_listen |
| 14:55.01 | liable | yos872: thats cause i have teh h4x0z version of irc!!! |
| 14:55.05 | mzilikazi | is imap_listen no longer valid for dovecot? |
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| 14:55.47 | yos872 | liabel: how are you? |
| 14:56.07 | Nokao | hi, i'm using a debian-live cd, i don't find any /etc/resolv.conf file, where i set up the dns? i can ping the gateway but i don't resolve names. |
| 14:56.09 | liable | i am well |
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| 14:56.35 | liable | actually, i am going to bed :P |
| 14:56.36 | infernix | anyone seen this error on a SATA disk before? ata1: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }, error=0x0c { DriveStatusError } |
| 14:57.02 | yos872 | liable : it's little bit early ! |
| 14:57.04 | Nokao | infernix : i just see it now on the broken computer i'm trying to backup :D |
| 14:57.07 | infernix | the disk is brand new, I bought two and only one is doing this |
| 14:57.16 | liable | yos872: its midnight here... |
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| 14:57.22 | Nokao | hi, i'm using a debian-live cd, i don't find any /etc/resolv.conf file, where i set up the dns? i can ping the gateway but i don't resolve names. |
| 14:57.24 | infernix | i'm growing my raid5, it better not break, i'll lose a lot of data |
| 14:57.43 | pumpkin0 | infernix: a doa = dead-on-arrival. |
| 14:57.45 | Anders | I just installed Debian on my laptop, and I can't select words using shift+ctrl & arrow keys... swedish keyboard layout |
| 14:57.48 | infernix | Nokao: are you having problems reading the disk? it seems it's not leading to any problems here |
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| 14:58.00 | yos872 | liable: why also in your nick the country "unknown" whare are you? |
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| 14:58.05 | Anders | the cursor switches position though |
| 14:58.07 | infernix | pumpkin0: smartmontools reports that its fine, i already ran a selftest |
| 14:58.07 | Anders | but it doesn't select |
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| 14:58.12 | liable | yos872: .au |
| 14:58.21 | pumpkin0 | infernix: bad cable ? |
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| 14:58.51 | yos872 | liable: when you sleep you'll live you pc on? |
| 14:58.53 | infernix | pumpkin0: maybe.. but it only happens when i stress the disk alot. if I don't do anything during the current raid5 reshape it wont report it, but if i add hdparm -tT /dev/sda it will |
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| 14:59.00 | liable | yos872: yes |
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| 14:59.15 | pumpkin0 | infernix: and the temperature is OK ? |
| 14:59.25 | biloti | Nokao: I've never used debian-live cd. How did you set up the conection? DHCP? |
| 14:59.25 | infernix | pumpkin0: about 25c |
| 14:59.26 | yos872 | liable: have a Goodnight liable, Sweet Dreem |
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| 15:00.03 | pumpkin0 | infernix: can you swap the drive to another connection ? |
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| 15:01.21 | yos872 | maxy: it dosn't help |
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| 15:01.53 | infernix | pumpkin0: i will after the reshape, in about 700 minutes |
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| 15:02.06 | ra1- | has anybody installed debian on a intel sr1500alsas server with SAS disks? |
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| 15:03.40 | Nokao | i just loaded it on a broken-hd pc |
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| 15:03.49 | pablo_ | hello, i have a notebook and it is suposed to be a 700 mhz one but it detects a 550 mhz |
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| 15:04.02 | Nokao | dhpc didn't worked, so i edited the /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 15:04.11 | Nokao | and /etc/init.d/network restarted |
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| 15:04.31 | biloti | Nokao: then you should edit /etc/resolv.conf too |
| 15:04.34 | Nokao | i managed to download what i need (sshd) using ip on the /etc/sources.list file |
| 15:04.39 | Nokao | instead of dns |
| 15:04.41 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: most notebooks clock down the CPU to save energy. It may also be a false FSB-setting in the BIOS. |
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| 15:05.11 | aronofsky | hi, I got a problem reinstaling debian testing today , when I start kde system freezes and Xorg consumes 99% CPU, I got a ATI 9550 with ati driver, does anyone know something about that ? |
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| 15:05.45 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: no, in the bios it says 700 mhz |
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| 15:06.09 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: but cat /proc/cpuinfo it says 550 mhz |
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| 15:07.15 | biloti | pablo_: that's probably because the cpu frequency is less than maximum allowed to save battery |
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| 15:07.50 | blondie | rob: can't you put some temporary k-lines in place? |
| 15:07.51 | abrotman | aronofsky: using fglrx or ati ? |
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| 15:08.14 | biloti | pablo_: take a look at /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ |
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| 15:08.28 | aronofsky | I look for bugs of Xorg or kde but didn't find anything |
| 15:08.30 | pablo_ | biloti: ok, let me see |
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| 15:08.40 | aronofsky | abrotman, ati |
| 15:08.40 | abrotman | aronofsky: which driver ? |
| 15:08.50 | abrotman | aronofsky: does the lockup happen with the vesa driver? |
| 15:09.00 | abrotman | aronofsky: are you doing someting specific in KDE ? |
| 15:09.08 | abrotman | maybe . browsing crap flash websites ? |
| 15:09.21 | biloti | pablo_: specially on scaling_available_frequencies and scaling_cur_freq |
| 15:09.31 | aronofsky | abrotman, no nothing special with kde, it was first time start |
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| 15:09.44 | Nokao | does anyone know how to run a debian based livecd with NO graphics? |
| 15:09.48 | abrotman | aronofsky: you mean you've never used kde before ? |
| 15:09.48 | Nokao | vga=no? |
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| 15:09.55 | abrotman | Nokao: ask #debian-live on OFTC |
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| 15:10.11 | aronofsky | abrotman, no , its a fresh install |
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| 15:10.50 | Nokao | abrotman there is one person in #debian-live :O |
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| 15:10.54 | abrotman | can we just ban those two @88 addresses ? |
| 15:10.57 | blondie | registered users only? :) |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | jetscreamer: been hding ? |
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| 15:11.09 | pablo_ | biloti: there is no such directory |
| 15:11.09 | abrotman | Nokao: OFTC .. not here |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | aronofsky: does another WM work ? |
| 15:11.46 | biloti | pablo_: than you should try to setup cpu frequency scaling to handle this properly |
| 15:12.06 | pablo_ | biloti: how do i do so? |
| 15:12.08 | jetscreamer | hey abrotman |
| 15:12.12 | jetscreamer | working... xmas rush |
| 15:12.13 | aronofsky | abrotman, i Just tried and it works ok with vesa driver |
| 15:12.20 | biloti | pablo |
| 15:12.31 | pablo_ | biloti: yes |
| 15:12.32 | abrotman | and gravity isnt' here |
| 15:12.56 | mzilikazi | what's the easiest smtp server for a novice to configure? |
| 15:13.06 | biloti | pablo_: load kernel modules to manage cpu frenquecy to your cpu. Which CPU do you have? |
| 15:13.08 | blondie | mzilikazi: that depends waht you want to do... |
| 15:13.10 | mzilikazi | i need only something simple for perhaps 5 users |
| 15:13.17 | mzilikazi | home mail server |
| 15:13.20 | pablo_ | biloti: piii |
| 15:13.29 | abrotman | aronofsky: look for bugs with xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 15:13.30 | blondie | mzilikazi: well exim is the default, and you can configure it with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 15:13.30 | fireba11 | mzilikazi: it's not hard anyway ... |
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| 15:13.47 | mzilikazi | fireba11: opinion! :) |
| 15:13.49 | abrotman | it's just two addresses! |
| 15:13.55 | abrotman | mzilikazi: exim or postfix |
| 15:14.08 | blondie | what's just two addresses? |
| 15:14.10 | pablo_ | biloti: i am on /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0 but there it doesnt tells the frequency |
| 15:14.22 | fireba11 | mzilikazi: exim is a valid option |
| 15:14.47 | blondie | pablo_: what does the BIOS say when you switch the machine on? |
| 15:14.58 | blondie | oh nevermind |
| 15:15.02 | biloti | plabo_: no sure, but I think is acpi or something like that |
| 15:15.08 | pablo_ | blondie: no, it says on the bios setup |
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| 15:16.32 | abrotman | aronofsky: i see some similar ones |
| 15:16.36 | biloti | pablo_: i had the same problem with my laptop before. Bios reports full frequency and /proc/cpuinfo something fewer. After load the appropriate cpufreq module, i could manage to set full frequecy |
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| 15:17.14 | aronofsky | abrotman, any solutions ? |
| 15:17.16 | pablo_ | biloti: how do i load the correct cpufreq module? |
| 15:18.13 | abrotman | aronofsky: i didnt' read them all fully |
| 15:18.19 | biloti | go to /lib/module/<your kernel version>/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq and modinfo <module> to figure out which one is the correct |
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| 15:18.53 | section3 | j ubunut |
| 15:19.01 | blondie | failtype |
| 15:19.02 | section3 | busted |
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| 15:20.23 | aronofsky | abrotman, I didnt really find anything similar |
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| 15:21.45 | jetscreamer | only 800mb of updates |
| 15:21.49 | abrotman | !dbugs 392915 |
| 15:21.53 | dpkg | #392915:I[xserver-xorg-video-ati] xserver-xorg-video-ati: xserver freezes system when starting; Sat, 14 Oct 2006 07:18:07 UTC |
| 15:22.02 | abrotman | are you using startx or kdm ? |
| 15:22.14 | aronofsky | abrotman, kdm |
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| 15:22.46 | abrotman | aronofsky: anything resididual in the Xorg.0.log ? |
| 15:22.47 | jetscreamer | /me waves buhbye |
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| 15:22.56 | SzArAk | hi |
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| 15:23.01 | abrotman | aronofsky: so KDM loads just fine .. |
| 15:23.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: again? |
| 15:23.12 | abrotman | aronofsky: correct ? |
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| 15:24.18 | mzilikazi | seems postfix is working properly - test mails are delivered to /var/spool/mail/$USER - it is just one big file w/ many mails inside - that is mbox format? how to switch to maildir? |
| 15:24.29 | pablo_ | biloti: then how do i insert the module? |
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| 15:24.36 | abrotman | read the postfix docs .. it explains this very well |
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| 15:24.43 | abrotman | modprobe |
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| 15:24.46 | biloti | pablo_: modprobe <module> |
| 15:24.56 | _damian | is this where I get ubuntu? |
| 15:25.00 | _damian | somebody send me ubuntu |
| 15:25.01 | pablo_ | biloti: it tells me no such device |
| 15:25.10 | LjL`_ | _damian: try #ubuntu |
| 15:25.10 | pablo_ | _damian: nooooooo |
| 15:25.10 | abrotman | _damian: go to #ubuntu |
| 15:25.18 | biloti | so, you picked the wrong module |
| 15:25.31 | aronofsky | abrotman, yes kdm loads fine |
| 15:25.38 | biloti | modinfo <module> to see a brief description |
| 15:25.49 | Shadowcat | anyone know a way to turn off LCD backlights in X? |
| 15:26.01 | abrotman | aronofsky: i'm not sure it's an X bug .. and i don't use KDE enough to know if something in KDE could do that .. maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 15:26.09 | abrotman | Shadowcat: close the lid |
| 15:26.17 | Shadowcat | very funny |
| 15:26.28 | sunrunner20 | whats the linux command to just empty a file? |
| 15:26.31 | abrotman | I'll be here all week! |
| 15:26.39 | Shadowcat | !whack abrotman |
| 15:26.40 | LjL`_ | sunrunner20: perhaps "shred"? |
| 15:26.49 | abrotman | sunrunner20: cat /dev/null > /your/file |
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| 15:27.13 | sunrunner20 | Shadowcat: theres no way to just turn of a backlight, howerveryou can put the screen into standby |
| 15:27.28 | Shadowcat | sunrunner20: yes I've already been through that |
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| 15:27.42 | Shadowcat | doesn't matter what I do |
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| 15:27.48 | Shadowcat | I can't turn the lcd off from within X |
| 15:28.03 | Shadowcat | is there a way of killing it via the command line? |
| 15:28.07 | abrotman | DPMS doesn't work ? |
| 15:28.11 | cydork | Shadowcat: xset? |
| 15:28.12 | abrotman | Shadowcat: xset perhaps |
| 15:28.18 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 15:28.19 | sunrunner20 | Shutdown NOW ? :p |
| 15:28.19 | dpkg | dpms is, like, know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 15:28.28 | pablo_ | biloti: if the bios tells me 700 mhz, it should be working at that freq right? |
| 15:28.36 | biloti | right |
| 15:28.47 | Shadowcat | no way of doing this in command line mode |
| 15:28.52 | Shadowcat | ? |
| 15:28.56 | pablo_ | biloti: finally |
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| 15:29.04 | xingu | Shadowcat: it's display controller dependant; some of them have no way to do it, some expose an acpi twiddle, some have a bespoke userland tool for it, some just don't let you do it at all |
| 15:29.04 | abrotman | xset dpms 1 1 1 .. walk away :) |
| 15:29.10 | pablo_ | biloti: thanks, i reboot it after loading that module |
| 15:29.23 | aronofsky | abrotman, other precision, it works ok when I disable DRI ... |
| 15:29.34 | biloti | pablo_: worked now? great! |
| 15:29.35 | abrotman | aronofsky: that's not good ... |
| 15:29.45 | pablo_ | biloti: yes, it was that thanks |
| 15:29.51 | abrotman | aronofsky: you have a temporary fix .. but i don't see why logging into KDE does that |
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| 15:29.53 | xingu | Shadowcat: recent 2.6 is adding sysfs class support for a generic lcd panel backlight framework but it'll be a while before that's fit for purpose |
| 15:29.55 | biloti | :-) |
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| 15:30.08 | abrotman | xingu: stop being useful! |
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| 15:30.18 | aronofsky | abrotman, neither do I |
| 15:31.09 | abrotman | oh .. that's useful! |
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| 15:31.26 | abrotman | aronofsky: you have a temporary fix .. but maybe file a bug |
| 15:31.32 | Shadowcat | there's an lcd state in /proc/acpi |
| 15:31.34 | Shadowcat | but it's in hex |
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| 15:31.37 | pablo_ | the next thing is that the wireless worked right during netinstall but when it finished it didnt work anymore |
| 15:31.51 | cydork | Shadowcat: just type "xset dpms force off" |
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| 15:32.07 | xingu | Shadowcat: what notebook and display controller is it? |
| 15:32.10 | Shadowcat | and I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be passing hex arguments into /proc unless I know what I'm doing |
| 15:32.25 | Shadowcat | cydork: that kills the pixels, but Not the backlight |
| 15:32.33 | abrotman | dpms ? |
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| 15:32.56 | Shadowcat | xingu: Intel 855GM |
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| 15:33.07 | Shadowcat | the thing is, this backlight worked before with an older version of X |
| 15:33.11 | Shadowcat | it seems to be a bug of some kind |
| 15:33.17 | Shadowcat | fixed in 7.2 :/ |
| 15:33.22 | biloti | pablo_: that needs a little hack, take a look at ndiswrapper, wpasupplicant, wlassistant, wireless-tools packages |
| 15:34.18 | biloti | pablo_: "apt-cache search wireless" should give you an idea of other packages related |
| 15:34.47 | cydork | pablo_: which wireless card? |
| 15:34.47 | pablo_ | biloti: i have just noticed that if i turn on the machine with the pcmcia the wireless doesnt works, but if i insert it later, it wors |
| 15:34.50 | xingu | Shadowcat: "worked" ? |
| 15:35.16 | biloti | pablo_: thanks to hotplug... |
| 15:35.25 | abrotman | network is loading before pcmcia |
| 15:35.27 | xingu | Shadowcat: do you have /proc/acpi/video/GRFX/LCD/brightness? |
| 15:35.36 | Shadowcat | says not supported |
| 15:35.47 | Shadowcat | xingu: all I know is that it worked all through xfree-xorg 6.9 |
| 15:35.51 | Shadowcat | and 7.0's broken it |
| 15:36.02 | pablo_ | cydork: i have a linksys wpc11 |
| 15:36.03 | xingu | Shadowcat: what do you mean by "worked"? |
| 15:36.19 | Shadowcat | xingu: xorg dpms could turn off the backlight |
| 15:36.25 | Shadowcat | now it kills the pixels |
| 15:36.33 | Shadowcat | but leaves the light on |
| 15:37.03 | xingu | Shadowcat: do you have Option "DPMS" in your xorg.conf device section? |
| 15:37.14 | Shadowcat | yup, it's in there |
| 15:37.23 | pablo_ | biloti: mmm, this is weiard |
| 15:37.33 | cydork | pablo_: check what abrotman said. |
| 15:37.34 | xingu | Shadowcat: do you have that proc...brightness file? |
| 15:37.51 | pablo_ | abrotman: ahhh, that could be |
| 15:38.16 | Shadowcat | wonderful |
| 15:38.23 | Shadowcat | file exists, but says <not supported> |
| 15:38.41 | pablo_ | abrotman: but it should work with a /etc/init.d/networking restart ant it dont |
| 15:38.44 | xingu | Shadowcat: what happens if you just blindly "echo 10" into it? |
| 15:38.52 | enouf | aronofsky: which method did you use to intstall kde? .. any errors in grep EE /ver/log/Xorg.0.log? look in the /var/log/installer/syslog for errors as well (grep ati or similar) |
| 15:38.57 | xingu | Shadowcat: range should be 0-15, 15 is bright. |
| 15:39.29 | Shadowcat | invalid argument |
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| 15:41.17 | xingu | Shadowcat: what manufacturer is the notebook? |
| 15:42.12 | Shadowcat | not that I see why it matters |
| 15:42.33 | biloti | bye fellows. I'm going to cook the lunch. |
| 15:42.37 | h3sp4wn | Shadowcat: Try the other driver maybe xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting |
| 15:42.52 | pablo_ | biloti: if that is the problem, shouldnt it work with a /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 15:43.08 | biloti | pablo_: probably |
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| 15:43.26 | xingu | Shadowcat: ... it matters because the acpi support is vendor specific; and generally speaking, you want your vendor's acpi knobs to be exposed. |
| 15:44.15 | Shadowcat | h3sp4wn: different driver? |
| 15:44.27 | Shadowcat | xingu: the thing is, that it worked with older xorg versions |
| 15:44.31 | Shadowcat | I don't see how it broke around the way |
| 15:44.31 | pablo_ | bipolar: any other idea why it only works on hotpklug? |
| 15:44.35 | Shadowcat | unless it's that bug |
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| 15:46.23 | interfear | what is the latest debian release? |
| 15:46.38 | pablo_ | biloti: any other idea why it only works on hotpklug? |
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| 15:47.08 | interfear | let me rephrase that, what is the latest stable release of debian |
| 15:47.26 | retard | etch will take forever to release... :| |
| 15:47.29 | interfear | ah.. 3.1 |
| 15:47.30 | dendrite | interfear: Sarge, but its a bit long in the tooth. |
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| 15:48.24 | h3sp4wn | Shadowcat: there is xserver-xorg-video-i810 and xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting |
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| 15:48.55 | Shadowcat | ok..... |
| 15:49.00 | Shadowcat | how exactly do I switch drivers? |
| 15:49.08 | rsk | Shadowcat: in xorg.conf |
| 15:49.10 | rsk | and restart x |
| 15:49.18 | ofer1 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:50.00 | interfear | i just want a very stable dist and ive tried ubuntu and i cant get it to work properly so i figure ill try debian cuz i like apt |
| 15:50.25 | ofer1 | interfear, if you gave it up so quickly with ubuntu, maybe debian isn't for you. |
| 15:50.27 | pablo_ | abrotman: are you there? |
| 15:50.46 | xingu | Shadowcat: have you tried vbetool dpms ? |
| 15:50.54 | interfear | ofer1: ha your probably right |
| 15:51.16 | ofer1 | interfear, using Linux, you might end up working a week fixing some stupid problem |
| 15:51.27 | ofer1 | of course, problems occur when you mess with real low level stuff such as the kernel |
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| 15:52.08 | retard | interfear: try slackware... |
| 15:52.43 | interfear | i heard slackware has really poor package managment |
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| 15:54.33 | LjL`_ | interfear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware#Automated_dependency_resolution |
| 15:54.42 | LjL`_ | though i'm sure debian stable is quite stable, too |
| 15:54.54 | xingu | Shadowcat: have you tried vbetool dpms ? |
| 15:54.58 | enouf | Shadowcat: you have Option "DPMS" or Option "DPMS" "on" |
| 15:55.29 | Shadowcat | get this |
| 15:55.48 | Shadowcat | the xorg script automatically configured the system to vesa |
| 15:55.59 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:56.38 | Shadowcat | right, that fixed that |
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| 15:56.54 | Shadowcat | I hope anyway |
| 15:57.01 | xingu | Shadowcat: I'd be interested to know if the backlight comes back on after 10min |
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| 15:57.50 | brulik | what the name of usibility irc server for debian ? |
| 15:57.52 | xingu | Shadowcat: there's a bunch of google hits for similar symptoms for i810; where vbetool dtrt but xset dpms does not. |
| 15:58.12 | Shadowcat | we'll know in about 5 min |
| 15:58.18 | enouf | brulik: apt-cache search irc |
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| 15:58.53 | brulik | ok ... but its not one |
| 15:59.08 | brulik | ircd, irc-hybrid ... |
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| 16:00.00 | enouf | brulik: $ apt-cache search server | grep irc |
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| 16:00.54 | plb | which service in /etc/init.d do I need to disable to turn off auth |
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| 16:01.19 | enouf | plb: you mean the /var/log/auth log? |
| 16:01.39 | plb | well I nmap myself and it says auth is open |
| 16:01.50 | plb | 113/tcp open auth |
| 16:02.06 | xingu | plb: update-inetd --disable ident |
| 16:02.06 | enouf | plb: that's an auth port 113 |
| 16:03.13 | plb | ah ok thanks |
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| 16:03.14 | enouf | xingu: sounds correct .. you may have openbsd-inetd though .. but haven't figured out why yet :-( |
| 16:03.14 | xingu | enouf: seems to be part of the base install these days for whatever reason |
| 16:03.30 | enouf | xingu: righto .. seems newer I guess . lemme check my other install .. thanks |
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| 16:05.04 | Shadowcat | xingu: do you have powersaved installed? |
| 16:05.16 | enouf | xingu: yep .. it's in etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd (Etch RC1 .. just before) .. though my older sid here has /inetd |
| 16:06.05 | xingu | Shadowcat: nope; between gnome-power-manager, hald, hibernate, and uswsusp the right things happen here. |
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| 16:09.24 | vinsci | full disk encryption is the top story over at /. US gov to install it on a million systems (ie. all their computers)... |
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| 16:09.59 | StyXman | what package should I reconfigure to change the system locale/encoding? |
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| 16:10.41 | cahoot | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 16:14.44 | ke|z | what is the arch of an intel core 2 duo? |
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| 16:15.04 | StyXman | cahoot: that only recompiled the locales |
| 16:15.30 | xingu | ke|z: em64t |
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| 16:15.40 | cahoot | StyXman: no question aske about what locale to use? |
| 16:15.42 | wireddd | I just deleted a bunch of files off a partition and df -h still shows the drives space as the same as before I deleted them, Do I just need to run fsck on the drive or what? |
| 16:16.03 | ke|z | xingu, it's in the choices on kernel in etch , no? |
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| 16:16.28 | xingu | ke|z: either i386 or amd64 will do. |
| 16:16.45 | wireddd | the fs is ext3 |
| 16:16.46 | ke|z | ok thx |
| 16:17.00 | xingu | ke|z: pure64 userland obviously has its wrinkles, be aware of them if you go amd64 |
| 16:17.24 | ke|z | i think i'll stay with 386 |
| 16:17.29 | xingu | wireddd: probably, some process has the files open |
| 16:17.47 | xingu | wireddd: if they were under var/log, the prime candidate would be syslog; otherwise, use your noodle, or lsof |
| 16:17.56 | StyXman | cahoot: no, not even with -p low |
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| 16:18.46 | cahoot | does so here |
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| 16:19.04 | xingu | StyXman: how about dpkg-reconfigure libc6 ? |
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| 16:20.30 | retard | is etch (testing) stable enough for a normal user to use it? |
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| 16:21.34 | wireddd | retard, most of the time |
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| 16:22.05 | StyXman | xingu: it's localeconf here |
| 16:22.14 | cahoot | retard: fwiw I've used testing/etch since srage was released - never had a problem with it |
| 16:22.19 | xingu | StyXman: what distribution? |
| 16:22.33 | StyXman | ahmm... |
| 16:22.42 | StyXman | one that starts with u |
| 16:22.48 | xingu | ... |
| 16:22.52 | cahoot | nice |
| 16:22.55 | StyXman | bah, with ku, anyways... |
| 16:22.59 | netman1 | Hi All. Can somebody tell me wether it is posible (and if so, how) to make 'ls' display the file dates int utc? |
| 16:23.11 | netman1 | s/int/in/ |
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| 16:23.19 | xingu | netman1: TZ=GMT ls |
| 16:23.33 | netman1 | xingu: You're the man! ;-) |
| 16:23.58 | enouf | wireddd: try updatedb as root |
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| 16:24.16 | wireddd | xingu, thanks it was a process |
| 16:25.45 | enouf | xingu: would that TZ=GMT ls need to be aliased in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile to 'stick'? |
| 16:26.35 | xingu | enouf: probably; is that what you really want, or do you want to set the timezone offset for *all* commands? |
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| 16:26.49 | xingu | enouf: in which case you'd want to just export TZ=GMT in .bashrc or whatever. |
| 16:26.51 | mazzen | hello! does anyone knows how a dvd-rom can be flashed? the telephone-support of my notebook trader told me to flash it, but after telling him, that i use linux, he said, that it is my problem how to do it. i tried it with wine, but that didnt work, and google couldnt help me :-/. so any experiences with flashing a TSSTcorpCD/DVDW TS-L532A? |
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| 16:27.15 | enouf | xingu: just trying to figure how it all works , for when I need to add/subtarct something specific like that :-) |
| 16:27.36 | enouf | I see. .. thanks xingu |
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| 16:29.08 | StyXman | mazzen: maybe booting from freedos? |
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| 16:31.18 | mazzen | StyXman: hm... the flashing tool has a windows gui, but maybe it will work. thanks for the hint so far, i'll try it |
| 16:31.35 | enouf | xingu: sometimes I wish i could figure this shit out .. between /etc/kde3/kdm/x... settings, and ~/.bashrc and even a 'set | grep -i TZ' .. I see nothing related at all |
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| 16:32.30 | xingu | enouf: default comes from /usr/share/zoneinfo/`cat /etc/timezone` |
| 16:32.44 | enouf | perhaps it's because i'm dealing mostly with VTs and not ttys |
| 16:33.11 | debian | boa tarde a todos |
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| 16:33.38 | junior-debian-et | senhores boa tarde |
| 16:33.43 | sunrunner20 | what gives you the most detail about the current directyory |
| 16:33.45 | enouf | xingu: I see .. so a variable not listed will default to those .. otherwise if you add the 'correct' variable with the correct parameter(s) in one's ~/.bsahrc .. it;; override? |
| 16:33.53 | xingu | enouf: yup. |
| 16:33.57 | sunrunner20 | junior-debian-et: pregunta en ingles porfavor |
| 16:34.08 | xingu | sunrunner20: what detail do you want to know? each tool has its purpose |
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| 16:34.24 | sunrunner20 | filesystem info preferably |
| 16:34.26 | sunrunner20 | mount stuff |
| 16:34.28 | enouf | ok ..thanks .. just trying to find "where" this "list" of variables exists :-) |
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| 16:35.13 | sunrunner20 | thats a new word |
| 16:35.16 | enouf | I had thought 'set' would show most, however TZ isn't there .. maybe because it needs root to alter? |
| 16:35.16 | xingu | sunrunner20: stat(1), ls, /proc/mounts ... |
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| 16:35.18 | sunrunner20 | embora... |
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| 16:36.22 | xingu | enouf: it's all a figment of the c library's imagination; I've been doing this since libc4 was a new thing, across unixes; you get a feel for eventually |
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| 16:36.44 | enouf | xingu: lovely way to put it :-) |
| 16:36.46 | sunrunner20 | oh, funnyt story: on my spanish final, we were allowed one doubble sided 3x5 note card. So, I put the entire review on it in 2.5pt times new roman font |
| 16:36.55 | phated | Ahahahahahahahaha. |
| 16:37.03 | bgat | can I enable verbose hotplug in sarge without rebuilding something? |
| 16:37.12 | sunrunner20 | got a 100 on the final :P |
| 16:38.07 | enouf | bgat: maybe tell the /etc/udev/rules.d/* to do the right thing |
| 16:38.39 | xingu | sarge uses the really real hotplug, not this modern new udev disco |
| 16:39.06 | enouf | xingu: I heard udev and hal .. "can" also be in sarge .. but maybe I'm mistaken |
| 16:39.11 | xingu | bgat: what does verbose hotplug mean to you? the hotplug binary if memory serves is not a shellscript, but the things it invokes tend to be |
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| 16:39.18 | enouf | !info hal sarge |
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| 16:39.25 | dpkg | hal: (Hardware Abstraction Layer), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.7-3sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 208 kB, Installed size: 504 kB |
| 16:39.30 | bgat | xingu: all I'm wanting to see is the hotplug events the kernel issues |
| 16:39.36 | enouf | !info udev sarge |
| 16:39.42 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.056-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 239 kB, Installed size: 684 kB |
| 16:39.49 | bgat | (and yes, I'm running the real hotplug and not udev) |
| 16:39.50 | xingu | bgat: 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:39.54 | enouf | xingu: I'm thinking it's a 2.4.27 vs 2.6.8 kernel thing |
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| 16:40.08 | bgat | I'm on 2.6.8, haven't moved up to anything etch-like. |
| 16:40.29 | enouf | dpkg -l hal udev hotplug will tell you |
| 16:40.29 | dpkg | ii hal udev hotplug will tell you 3.3-11 enouf's private gamp collection |
| 16:40.36 | enouf | haha |
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| 16:41.46 | bgat | xingu: 2.6.8-2-k7 |
| 16:42.07 | warpzero | so iheard that debian gnu/linux |
| 16:42.08 | xingu | bgat: probably best is to replace /sbin/hotplug with a shellscript wrapper |
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| 16:42.38 | xingu | bgat: log environment vars and command line args, append to dummy textfile, then exec the hotplug.real |
| 16:42.48 | bgat | xingu: I probably shouldn't tinker with that on my production workstation, eh? :) |
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| 16:42.57 | xingu | bgat: I dunno, it's pretty robust |
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| 16:43.43 | xingu | bgat: hotplug events don't exist per se, they're just passed as environment context; the wrapper is a threeliner; env >>/var/log/hotplug; echo $* >>/var/log/hotplug; exec /usr/sbin/hotplug.real $* |
| 16:43.47 | xingu | bgat: or whatever. |
| 16:44.01 | enouf | bgat: grep -ir event /etc/init.d/ shows some interesting stuff .. like /etc/init.d/dbus crud et al |
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| 16:44.51 | enouf | bgat: though a pure Sarge may not have that yet .. that's why I said dpkg -l hal udev hotplug dbus |
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| 16:46.16 | lindenle | Can you PXE boot from a pcmcia wireless card? |
| 16:46.44 | bgat | enouf: I have a /etc/init.d/dbus-1, but there isn't much to it. |
| 16:46.48 | perlmonk | should be possible if the card and the bios supports it |
| 16:47.42 | lindenle | perlmonk: Bios in network boot mode never seems to kick over to card...but i was thinking amybe an etherboot rom might do it. |
| 16:47.42 | enouf | bgat: /etc/init.d/dbus:EVENTDIR=/etc/dbus-1/event.d |
| 16:48.05 | enouf | wonder what's in there .. |
| 16:48.07 | xingu | lindenle: I've been looking for a card that supports it but haven't ever seen one |
| 16:48.10 | perlmonk | well, depends if your card has the rom |
| 16:48.20 | xingu | lindenle: also none of the wlan cards I've seen so far support a rom |
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| 16:48.26 | perlmonk | xingu, pcmcia you mean ? |
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| 16:48.30 | xingu | lindenle: there's a lot more to an 802.11 stack than an 802.3 one... |
| 16:48.49 | CharminTheMoose | question:does xorg in etch have a driver for the i810 chip? |
| 16:48.55 | xingu | perlmonk: whatever bus type - same applies - pci, cardbus, pcmcia, expresscard, usb, whatever. |
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| 16:49.10 | perlmonk | Maybe an ethernet card connected to an AP configured as a bridge... this should work |
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| 16:50.27 | De_Mon | how would I find out what packages contain a specific file? |
| 16:50.41 | xingu | yep; or one of those doohickeys you can buy for consoles that are a 802.3<->802.11 half-bridge. |
| 16:50.42 | De_Mon | im on packages.debian.org but it ants a package name |
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| 16:51.21 | perlmonk | De_Mon, have a better look |
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| 16:51.40 | enouf | bgat: do you have a DE installed? gnome/kde? |
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| 16:51.48 | perlmonk | also, dpkg has such an option, man dpkg |
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| 16:52.00 | jello | De_Mon: dpkg -S |
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| 16:52.09 | jello | CharminTheMoose: xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 16:52.22 | De_Mon | dpkg -S only shows files from packages youve installed |
| 16:52.22 | dpkg | You Fool! only shows files from packages youve installed is installed! |
| 16:52.44 | De_Mon | O_o |
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| 16:52.52 | De_Mon | perlmonk there it is :] |
| 16:52.55 | jello | De_Mon: so, use packages.d.o |
| 16:53.13 | enouf | De_Mon: p.d.o can find anything if used correctly |
| 16:53.24 | lindenle | looks like ltsp has something that will do it |
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| 16:54.14 | hark | De_Mon: apt-file |
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| 16:55.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 16:55.20 | HardDisk_WP | how do I upgrade my 2.6.8 kernel to 2.6.10?? |
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| 16:55.48 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: you don't. 2.6.10 is not a stock debian kernel at the moment. |
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| 16:56.07 | ofer1 | HardDisk_WP, although you can compile your own kernel or use etch. |
| 16:56.15 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 16:56.19 | HardDisk_WP | but http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Generic_SAA7134_Card_Installation |
| 16:56.25 | Tallu | If you want to compile a new kernel though, why not go for the latest? |
| 16:56.25 | HardDisk_WP | needs a 2.6.10 :-( |
| 16:56.34 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: you can get 2.6.18 in etch. |
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| 16:56.55 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, etch==testing, right? |
| 16:57.05 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: right. |
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| 16:57.55 | HardDisk_WP | omg... pumpkin0 any risk that i will ruin my debian (or my NVIDIA driver) when switching to etch? |
| 16:58.12 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: a little .. |
| 16:58.14 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: i have an saa7134 too |
| 16:58.29 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: and nvidia, are you using the nonfree driver? |
| 16:59.56 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, i use the thing fromhttp://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 17:00.06 | De_Mon | ya I found it after looking a little closer thanks all |
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| 17:01.00 | tapas | is there a way to use apt-get to install software locally [i.e.into ~/local] |
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| 17:01.10 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: and did you use the free or nonfree drivers |
| 17:01.18 | Jani140 | Hi there! |
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| 17:02.36 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, the nonfree one |
| 17:02.46 | Jani140 | Can anyone post me a link to a mirror wich hosts installation floppys of older linux versions? |
| 17:03.29 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: well if it helps any, i'm using etch (been using it since sarge came out actually) with an saa7134 tuner and the nonfree nvidia drivers |
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| 17:03.52 | Jani140 | I need a linux wich can be installed with floppys and running an 33Mhz :-) |
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| 17:04.14 | SerajewelKS | Jani140: take out the hard disk, debootstrap it, put it back in |
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| 17:04.24 | pumpkin0 | Jani140: go muLinux. Or debian buzz. |
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| 17:05.10 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, ok thx |
| 17:05.15 | manup | Hi! I just installed Debian etch on my hp nx6325. now, i am trying to get my soundsystem running. alsaconf says it is running, but i hear nothing. |
| 17:05.23 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: that's not a warranty though |
| 17:05.31 | manup | how do i get my soundcard running? |
| 17:05.34 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: YMMV as usual |
| 17:05.39 | HardDisk_WP | YMMV? |
| 17:05.42 | HardDisk_WP | whats that? |
| 17:05.44 | SerajewelKS | !ymmv |
| 17:05.44 | dpkg | it has been said that ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
| 17:05.46 | Jani140 | negative. I cant put this harddisk on my workstation pc. Its an old one in a laptop |
| 17:05.46 | pumpkin0 | manup: does amixer show the volumes ? |
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| 17:06.00 | SerajewelKS | Jani140: does it have a NIC? |
| 17:06.07 | pumpkin0 | Jani140: you can with a little 1$ adapter. |
| 17:06.13 | manup | pumpkin0, it syas that they are off |
| 17:06.28 | manup | pumpkin0, obviously i have to turn them on. how? |
| 17:06.30 | Jani140 | I fave plugged a PCMCIA Cart |
| 17:06.36 | SerajewelKS | manup: alsamixer |
| 17:06.49 | manup | in alsamixer, they are on. |
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| 17:06.56 | SerajewelKS | manup: and unmuted? |
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| 17:07.17 | SerajewelKS | manup: at the bottom of the channels, do you see "MM" or a number? |
| 17:07.19 | Jani140 | Its an GlobalVillage Powerport PlatinumPro |
| 17:07.27 | SerajewelKS | manup: or "OO" rather |
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| 17:07.52 | pumpkin0 | manup: upper part of the scree, line "Item", is there a [Off] ? |
| 17:08.17 | manup | i think, the problem is, that there is a signal but on headphones only. Front has a "MM" |
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| 17:08.49 | Roey | hi all |
| 17:08.53 | pumpkin0 | manup: the key "m" unmutes ... |
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| 17:09.14 | Roey | Is there a way to zoom an rdesktop window (to scale it)? |
| 17:09.22 | blondie | !seen blondie |
| 17:09.23 | dpkg | blondie is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen blondie'. |
| 17:09.24 | Jani140 | SerajewelKS: I don't know if its able to boot via network but if you can post me a link to network installation system of linux i can try it out... |
| 17:09.26 | blondie | !seen ferret |
| 17:09.26 | dpkg | ferret <i=worc1588@gentoo/user/ferret> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 19d 22h 36m 10s ago, saying: '2.8.19?'. |
| 17:09.34 | manup | pumpkin0, Front is unmuted, has a<00> at bottom |
| 17:10.04 | SerajewelKS | Jani140: i looked into it, it seems possible but i didn't have the drive to follow through with it |
| 17:10.52 | pumpkin0 | manup: still no sound ? |
| 17:10.57 | manup | yes |
| 17:11.04 | manup | pumpkin0, no sound, still |
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| 17:11.18 | pumpkin0 | manup: are there sound-keys on that laptop ? |
| 17:11.31 | manup | yes. and they say, sound is off. |
| 17:11.43 | manup | pumpkin0, but pressing it has no use |
| 17:11.45 | Jani140 | SerajewelKS: Its an old Siemens PC4NE laptop and i will turn it in to a small ssh and http server |
| 17:12.20 | pumpkin0 | manup: and xmms says the card is there ? |
| 17:12.27 | SerajewelKS | Jani140: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
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| 17:13.01 | manup | well, i have no xmms yet. i have some other player... looks oldish.... |
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| 17:13.12 | manup | pumpkin0, well, i have no xmms yet. i have some other player... looks oldish.... |
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| 17:13.22 | cahoot | as is xmms |
| 17:13.34 | erchache | any comm-tech here? |
| 17:13.41 | SerajewelKS | Jani140: also http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 17:13.56 | blondie | erchache: any what here? |
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| 17:14.04 | io2 | i am having problems authenticating to a wireless network, even tho i can scan it. anyone know what i should do or where i can get help? |
| 17:14.27 | fireba11 | io2 what auth method ? |
| 17:14.28 | blondie | io2: #wireless... maybe |
| 17:14.34 | erchache | communication techie |
| 17:14.37 | erchache | blondie |
| 17:14.37 | io2 | WPA-PSK |
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| 17:14.51 | pumpkin0 | io2: install wpasupplicant. |
| 17:15.00 | io2 | i have it installed already |
| 17:15.04 | fireba11 | io2 made sure teh key is in the right format e.g. hex or ascii ? |
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| 17:15.31 | io2 | it's just that wireless isn't my strong point and i have no idea what is going on. i made the wpa_supplicant.conf allright |
| 17:15.33 | Jani140 | SerajewelKS: HELP i cant find my architecture to download boot disk. its an 486 SX processor inside |
| 17:15.47 | pumpkin0 | io2: and starting wpasupplicant manualy does not work ? |
| 17:15.50 | blondie | Jani140: x86? |
| 17:15.54 | io2 | no. |
| 17:15.57 | pumpkin0 | Jani140: i386 |
| 17:16.02 | io2 | i have a veery long output |
| 17:16.04 | pumpkin0 | io2: what is the error-msg |
| 17:16.12 | io2 | it's quite long.. |
| 17:16.12 | Jani140 | ok ;-) |
| 17:16.14 | Jani140 | sry |
| 17:16.15 | pumpkin0 | io2: pastebin ... |
| 17:16.15 | manup | pumpkin0, no i have xmms |
| 17:16.18 | io2 | it's not a error |
| 17:16.25 | io2 | okay |
| 17:16.32 | xingu | erchache: you might have better luck just asking your question |
| 17:16.38 | pumpkin0 | manup: any other players that say "yes, there is a sound device i can use" ? |
| 17:16.43 | manup | pumpkin0, it plays, but i have no sound |
| 17:16.48 | erchache | i want to know how my server goes too slow |
| 17:16.58 | erchache | i think is a net bottleneck |
| 17:17.13 | xingu | Jani140: does this system have a working network adapter just out of interest? |
| 17:17.18 | erchache | but i want a specialized opinion |
| 17:17.23 | erchache | xingu |
| 17:17.36 | blondie | just ask questions, don't be picky about who answers |
| 17:17.41 | blondie | unless you're willing to pay :P |
| 17:17.42 | manup | pumpkin0, i think so, because i get no errors. |
| 17:18.18 | lindenle | /stats p |
| 17:18.20 | pumpkin0 | manup: OK, i cannot help you there. |
| 17:18.25 | cahoot | manup: yes|aplay - no sound and no error? |
| 17:18.38 | io2 | hm |
| 17:18.42 | xingu | erchache: what metric are you using as a test for "slowness" ? |
| 17:18.42 | SerajewelKS | erchache: if you want a specialized opinion, go hire a consultant |
| 17:18.44 | manup | cahoot, yes |
| 17:18.49 | io2 | there are some errors about faling to set encryption |
| 17:18.50 | manup | pumpkin0, thx anyway |
| 17:18.53 | io2 | before it starts scanning again |
| 17:19.05 | cahoot | manup: is this a snd-hda-intel device? |
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| 17:19.34 | manup | yes |
| 17:19.38 | manup | cahoot, yes |
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| 17:19.52 | cahoot | manup: those are notoriuos |
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| 17:19.55 | erchache | xingu: munin |
| 17:20.14 | manup | cahoot, but i can use it, cant i? |
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| 17:20.39 | cahoot | manup: yes but often the latest possible alsa version is to be preferred |
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| 17:21.07 | io2 | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/846511 |
| 17:21.07 | io2 | there's the output |
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| 17:21.18 | manup | cahoot, alsamixer version: 1.0.13 |
| 17:21.38 | manup | cahoot, this is pretty new i think |
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| 17:21.45 | cahoot | manup: /proc/asound/version is also 1.0.13? |
| 17:22.08 | io2 | it shouldn't be using WEXT, too >.> |
| 17:22.35 | xingu | manup: etc/modules.d/alsa: alias snd-card-0 snd-hda-intel \n options snd-hda-intel model=hp position_fix=1 enable=yes |
| 17:22.40 | manup | cahoot, ups it is .0.11rc4 |
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| 17:23.01 | pumpkin0 | io2: for ipw2X00 it should be using wext... That is the command-line for that output ? |
| 17:23.05 | mc__ | !info kde testing |
| 17:23.12 | io2 | yeah |
| 17:23.17 | cahoot | manup: you have a file ALSA-Configuration.txt on your system - in there you might find an option to use for the snd-hda-intel module |
| 17:23.22 | mrc_001 | !info kde testing |
| 17:23.26 | io2 | how come? doesn't ipw have a specific driver? |
| 17:23.31 | io2 | i installed it |
| 17:23.44 | manup | will it fix the problem, when i download the most recently versino? |
| 17:23.45 | io2 | the command line is.. |
| 17:23.52 | cahoot | manup: as xingu already pointed out ;) |
| 17:24.04 | pumpkin0 | io2: which ipw is the low-level driver (get anything out). wpasupplicant is the high level encrypter (encrypt it before it goes to ipw). |
| 17:24.16 | io2 | wpa_supplicant -i eth2 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -d -D ipw |
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| 17:24.30 | io2 | ipw2200 |
| 17:24.35 | manup | xingu, i have no dir /etc/modules.d ! |
| 17:24.36 | Jani140 | I didnt find any useable image for copying to my floppy ?! :-( |
| 17:24.36 | io2 | that's what is loaded in the kernel |
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| 17:24.49 | cahoot | manup: odprobe.d |
| 17:24.55 | cahoot | manup: modprobe.d |
| 17:25.03 | pumpkin0 | io2: -Dwext, not "-D ipw". retry |
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| 17:25.10 | manup | cahoot, yeah |
| 17:25.16 | io2 | okay.. |
| 17:25.32 | io2 | same output. |
| 17:25.53 | manup | cahoot, xingu , is the file alsa-base okay too? or have i to create the alsa file? |
| 17:26.03 | Gge | manup : ipw2200 firmware has to b eloaded in /lib/firmare ( in Etch_rc1) |
| 17:26.06 | pumpkin0 | io2: insert the kernel modules: ieee80211_crypt_tkip michael_mic aes_i586 |
| 17:26.12 | Jani140 | i tryed to write this to my floppy but winimage cant read theese files http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc1/images/floppy/ |
| 17:26.18 | xingu | manup: alsa-base can probably be hacked, probably just the options ... line is relevant. |
| 17:26.27 | HardDisk_WP | Anyone knowing how to get the 2 additional buttons of my USB mouse to work? |
| 17:26.33 | cahoot | manup: I think you can put the options at the end of alsa-base |
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| 17:26.37 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 17:26.38 | io2 | it's using AES, not tkip |
| 17:26.39 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 17:26.45 | HardDisk_WP | and how to disable the alias CTRL-V for middle button press? |
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| 17:26.57 | pumpkin0 | io2: you need both ... |
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| 17:27.01 | io2 | i will tho, anyways... |
| 17:27.23 | xingu | erchache: you probably want to get a little more precise in your problem description; I'd suggest starting with measuring the performance between you and your transit provider in each direction using a simple protocol like ftp |
| 17:27.49 | erchache | xingu: http://enciclopedia.us.es/estadistica2/us.es/comparison-day.html#Network |
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| 17:28.14 | io2 | i still get the same output |
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| 17:28.44 | pumpkin0 | io2: put the output of "iwconfig" online. (pastebin !) |
| 17:29.05 | io2 | hm |
| 17:29.14 | io2 | it's connecting to the other network.. |
| 17:29.15 | SerajewelKS | xingu: haha... ftp... simple :) |
| 17:29.16 | io2 | but okay |
| 17:29.21 | lindenle | Anyone know a good irc help channel or how to find out which freenode staffers are on call |
| 17:29.30 | xingu | SerajewelKS: simplex bitpipe, doesn't get much simpler. |
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| 17:29.41 | manup | cahoot, after adding the lines? |
| 17:29.44 | Jani140 | ok. winimage is bad |
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| 17:30.18 | cahoot | manup: restart alsa |
| 17:30.34 | manup | cahoot, thx a lot, it works!!!!! |
| 17:30.40 | manup | xingu, thx too |
| 17:30.47 | io2 | pumpkin0, http://pastebin.com/846517 |
| 17:30.48 | kml | hi, how can i tell if the running kernel support online ext2 resize or not? |
| 17:31.02 | manup | cahoot, xingu do you know, how to get the buttons at my notebook work? |
| 17:31.03 | jello | lindenle: /stats p |
| 17:31.28 | xingu | manup: the fn-keys? |
| 17:31.30 | lindenle | jello: I am in gaim and it does not seem to work |
| 17:31.45 | jello | lindenle: try /quote ... |
| 17:31.59 | jello | lindenle: ie. /quote stats p |
| 17:32.09 | manup | no, the mute-key ond vol-up... |
| 17:32.11 | pumpkin0 | io2: (pastebin is down ?) just to be sure: you are loading the ipw-module with the option hwcrypto=0, like the tutorial says ? |
| 17:32.13 | manup | xingu, no, the mute-key ond vol-up... |
| 17:32.19 | SerajewelKS | xingu: depends which connection you are referring to |
| 17:32.23 | lindenle | jello: nothing |
| 17:32.27 | jello | lindenle: PhilKC xyr |
| 17:32.48 | io2 | pumpkin0, not sure o.o |
| 17:32.53 | cahoot | manup: http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/04/mapping-unsupported-keys-with-xmodmap.html |
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| 17:33.15 | pumpkin0 | io2: ah, got the paste. Looks good. remove the ipw2200 module and reload it with that parameter. |
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| 17:34.42 | Jani140 | SerajewelKS: |
| 17:35.24 | Jani140 | SerajewelKS: floppy image boot.img did not boot well. kernel panic |
| 17:36.12 | io2 | no change, pumpkin0 |
| 17:36.16 | pumpkin0 | io2: next point to check: the wpa_supplicant.conf file => http://pastebin.com/846523 |
| 17:36.33 | SerajewelKS | Jani140: the message? |
| 17:36.43 | tuv | io2, are you running stable or testing? |
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| 17:37.15 | Jani140 | SerajewelKS: mom |
| 17:37.26 | SerajewelKS | Jani140: what? |
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| 17:37.40 | io2 | TKIP will work even tho it's AES? |
| 17:38.32 | Jani140 | SerajewelKS: <0>Kernal panic - not syncing: Attempt to kill |
| 17:38.47 | xingu | erchache: my first suggestion would be to configure your webserver not to attempt to resolve hostnames for its access log |
| 17:38.55 | rahul | Kernal, eh? |
| 17:38.58 | pumpkin0 | io2: (without the details): TKIP is the key-exchange, AES the encryption used afterwards. |
| 17:39.20 | Jani140 | Kernel |
| 17:39.21 | xingu | erchache: a 35s wait between HTTP GET and first segment response tells me that you probably have name resolution issues. |
| 17:39.38 | erchache | xingu: dns server? |
| 17:39.57 | erchache | i puf hostresolv off |
| 17:39.59 | erchache | on apache |
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| 17:40.24 | io2 | well |
| 17:40.25 | elshaa | hi |
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| 17:40.37 | io2 | did it the same way you pasted, no change.. |
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| 17:41.06 | Jani140 | hm debian int running on my toaster :-( |
| 17:41.20 | xingu | erchache: it's reproducable; which means that that which you think is not configured, is; there's only one reason I know of that would result in a 35s gap between GET and first segment, and that's busted name resolution |
| 17:41.28 | pumpkin0 | io2: are you sure it loads the right config file ? |
| 17:41.50 | io2 | yes, i specified it in the command line |
| 17:41.51 | erchache | xingu: and how i can solve it? |
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| 17:41.58 | lindenle | jello: turns out in game the output shows up in the debug window |
| 17:41.59 | io2 | /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 17:42.10 | lindenle | jello: game == gaim |
| 17:42.16 | jello | lindenle: heh, ok |
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| 17:42.48 | pumpkin0 | io2: stable or testing ? |
| 17:42.55 | Jani140 | testing |
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| 17:42.59 | io2 | testing |
| 17:43.14 | Jani140 | i followed the offical link at the debian download page |
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| 17:44.05 | pumpkin0 | io2: did you try updating everything to the lastest version ? |
| 17:44.19 | io2 | yes i did |
| 17:44.38 | io2 | well, for testing repositories anyways |
| 17:44.44 | io2 | i am not using unstable |
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| 17:45.17 | pumpkin0 | io2: i'm on testing, i have a ipw2200 and WPA-PSK is working right now. So something is off in your config ... |
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| 17:45.18 | xingu | erchache: what's HostNameLookups set to? |
| 17:45.24 | erchache | off |
| 17:45.37 | erchache | xingu: off |
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| 17:45.53 | xingu | erchache: how about IdentityCheck |
| 17:46.06 | erchache | uhmm i dont see that |
| 17:46.07 | erchache | a second |
| 17:46.18 | io2 | pumpkin0, i have no idea... |
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| 17:46.42 | erchache | xingu: by default |
| 17:46.44 | erchache | i dont put it |
| 17:46.47 | sbk | question about using sshfs. What would be a way to mount a file system that's located two ssh hops away? Ie, start->box1->box2, where the -> are ssh connections and I'd like to see box2 as a filesystem on start. |
| 17:47.22 | xingu | erchache: which version of apache is it? |
| 17:47.27 | erchache | 2.2.3 |
| 17:47.29 | erchache | not 1.3.x |
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| 17:49.03 | xingu | erchache: if mod_ident is being loaded, you might want to force IdentityCheck Off |
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| 17:49.20 | erchache | i dont load these module |
| 17:49.26 | erchache | and per default is off |
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| 17:49.37 | Jani140 | io2: yes, i mean, ive found the stable version... |
| 17:49.48 | Jani140 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 17:49.51 | Jani140 | ? |
| 17:49.59 | xingu | erchache: beyond that - good luck, but I don't think as yet you have enough data to demonstrate a transport problem; you do have an application level problem, a 30s delay between the ACK of the segment containing a GET and the first segment containing payload is not normal and shows a config problem. |
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| 17:50.28 | erchache | produced by switch for example? |
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| 17:50.54 | xingu | I doubt it, but I'm not really in the mood to debug apache configs |
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| 17:51.37 | erchache | ok |
| 17:51.41 | erchache | thanks a lot |
| 17:51.46 | erchache | xingu: thanks a lot |
| 17:51.48 | erchache | :-D |
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| 17:53.19 | blondie | is it possible to adjust the sensitivity (double-click rate etc) for a mouse in X? |
| 17:53.28 | DimmuR | any1 here using truecrypt? |
| 17:53.33 | xingu | Jani140: is your 486 a 486-sx? |
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| 17:56.17 | Jani140 | same reason kernel panik |
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| 17:56.46 | ghatak | hwo do i find number of files in current folder. there are huge number of files and i want the fastest method |
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| 17:57.24 | pumpkin0 | ghatak: "ls | wc -l" |
| 17:57.50 | ghatak | it is an nfs mount so it takes ages to compile the list |
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| 17:58.12 | xingu | ghatak: a rough and ready count is: stat --printf='%h\n' /some/dir |
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| 17:58.32 | ghatak | right |
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| 17:58.45 | xingu | ghatak: it's imprecise; it actually measures the directory's link count; that number less two is ~correct. |
| 17:59.05 | HardDisk_WP | SerajewelKS, i updated to etch, but there is no package for 2.6.10 kernel image :-( |
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| 17:59.23 | xingu | ghatak: it'll get confused by mounts under that directory and similar weirdness... but it's fast. |
| 17:59.27 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: of course not, that's old |
| 17:59.27 | pumpkin0 | xingu: and it ignores symlinks ? I get 2 on a 3 file dir ... |
| 17:59.38 | SerajewelKS | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
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| 18:00.19 | xingu | pumpkin0: you stat()ing the directory? |
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| 18:00.30 | elshaa | Does tcpdump catch paquets before or after iptable ? |
| 18:00.47 | pumpkin0 | xingu: yes. It is on a ramdisc ... ? |
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| 18:01.07 | xingu | pumpkin0: are the files, files, or is one a dir? |
| 18:01.16 | pumpkin0 | xingu: 3 files. |
| 18:01.44 | Shadowcat | xingu: about your screen wakeup problem |
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| 18:01.58 | Shadowcat | add the "NoPM" option to your xorg.conf |
| 18:02.01 | Shadowcat | that should solve it |
| 18:02.06 | xingu | Shadowcat: eh? :) |
| 18:02.12 | xingu | Shadowcat: my screen is fine. but ta. :) |
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| 18:02.17 | Shadowcat | from like two hours ago |
| 18:02.19 | pumpkin0 | blondie: they are already in the debian-repos. OK, not the current version ... |
| 18:02.24 | Shadowcat | you said you had the screen waking up after 10 min |
| 18:02.26 | blondie | pumpkin0: they're too old |
| 18:02.36 | xingu | Shadowcat: remember the conversation; it was ${google results} that had that one. |
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| 18:02.49 | Shadowcat | heh |
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| 18:02.51 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 18:02.57 | xingu | pumpkin0: bollocks; it seems that measures # of directories, not files |
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| 18:03.01 | xingu | pumpkin0: oh well, nice try. |
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| 18:03.56 | xingu | ghatak: forget the stat trick, it's going to tell you about the number of child directories, not files. |
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| 18:05.23 | PerfDave | mentor: From the same IP |
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| 18:05.58 | Nullified | Hi guys Im using a motherboard with onboard networking "Realtek 8111B/8168B Gigabit" however I tried the netinst and it refused to work as it cant find the networking hardware, Well it did, but it was my firewire port. Im stuck at a CLI now, Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:06.21 | Str0m | hi, what does this mean: |
| 18:06.21 | Str0m | root@danielss89:/# cp var/www/pottersiden/user/avatars/ var/www/potterskolen/user/avatars/ |
| 18:06.21 | Str0m | cp: omitting directory `var/www/pottersiden/user/avatars/' |
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| 18:06.38 | mentor | Str0m: man cp; look for /a |
| 18:06.39 | sya | -r ? |
| 18:06.39 | rgsteele | Hm. Any idea why a procmailrc file needs a shell to invoke an exim4 binary? I had a user whose shell was set to /bin/false, but couldn't call /usr/sbin/exim4. I have to set the SHELL environment variable to = /bin/bash for it to work. |
| 18:06.46 | mc__ | Str0m: cp doesnt copy copy directories per default |
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| 18:06.47 | sya | oh nvm |
| 18:07.14 | mc__ | Str0m: use cp -r, and read the manpage |
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| 18:07.18 | Str0m | oki |
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| 18:07.32 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 18:07.41 | Shadowcat | good thing I'm +e |
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| 18:07.52 | norc | whats the package for the lame mp3 encoder? |
| 18:07.57 | norc | cant find it using apt-cache |
| 18:07.59 | Shadowcat | lame? |
| 18:08.03 | mentor | -a is an alias that does various useful things |
| 18:08.15 | PerfDave | mentor: There's merle too, though they're not on-channel. |
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| 18:08.18 | cahoot | norc: you need another repo |
| 18:08.28 | mentor | Yeah :) they just spammed me |
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| 18:08.31 | mentor | interesting |
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| 18:08.46 | Shadowcat | ban fawn as well |
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| 18:08.58 | PerfDave | mentor: fawn now too. Looks like they're joining, getting a list, /parting and then spamming. |
| 18:09.05 | cahoot | norc: like: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 18:09.05 | Jani140 | Yeah. No Kernel panik but now the box hangs after "RAMDISK: Compressed image found at block 0" |
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| 18:09.10 | norc | cahoot? |
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| 18:09.15 | norc | just add it to the sources.list? |
| 18:09.33 | mentor | Ah, no. |
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| 18:09.40 | mentor | It just spammed me as I deopped. |
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| 18:09.50 | mentor | I wondered if was on purpose |
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| 18:10.05 | cahoot | norc: http://www.debian-multimedia.org - go ther an read |
| 18:10.18 | ghatak | Ok this is working, now i want to remove all the files that i find using find. i am using 'find . -type f -mtime +30' |
| 18:10.37 | mentor | You'd think they'd seperate user harvesting and the actual spamming |
| 18:10.45 | Shadowcat | this isn't a smart spammer |
| 18:10.50 | Shadowcat | probably some scriptkidde |
| 18:10.53 | Shadowcat | scriptkiddie* |
| 18:11.09 | Shadowcat | also consider the fact that he's revealing his drones to us |
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| 18:11.27 | Shadowcat | most of the regulars in here could just 0wn the drone box again and then uninstall the software |
| 18:11.34 | mentor | heh |
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| 18:11.42 | Shadowcat | which incidently is what I do to certain spambots |
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| 18:11.54 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 18:11.57 | Shadowcat | another one |
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| 18:12.55 | Shadowcat | that guy too |
| 18:13.03 | Shadowcat | couldn't you just set +R? |
| 18:13.05 | mentor | really? |
| 18:13.11 | mentor | I could. |
| 18:13.25 | mentor | I'm happy sitting here for the moment |
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| 18:13.29 | blondie | whack-a-mole |
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| 18:14.31 | mentor | blondie: quite. |
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| 18:19.12 | mentor | I think that's it |
| 18:19.18 | Tallu | Hooray! |
| 18:19.39 | biopyte | hi. off-topic, sorry. any idea how (syntax) insert the data of a single pdf-file into a specific cell of an sql-database (sqlite)? |
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| 18:20.01 | Thms | which packages need I for a graphical XMMS2 ? |
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| 18:20.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: i love this so much: You fly down along the stairs. |
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| 18:20.20 | mentor | biopyte: INSERT INTO table SET field = DATA(blah) |
| 18:20.21 | mentor | ? |
| 18:20.32 | mentor | You'll probably need to base64 it |
| 18:20.38 | pablo_ | hi, why does debian comes with exim uppon installation? |
| 18:20.53 | Shadowcat | it doesn't |
| 18:20.57 | mentor | It does |
| 18:21.10 | mentor | pablo_: a mail daemon is standard ona unix system |
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| 18:21.17 | Shadowcat | heh I don't go through the package selection step |
| 18:21.17 | mentor | pablo_: try nullmailer instead |
| 18:21.20 | Shadowcat | so no :P |
| 18:21.21 | biopyte | mentor: ok i check that, but are you sure this will load data from a file? |
| 18:21.32 | mentor | biopyte: No. You probably have to do that yourself. |
| 18:21.44 | manup | how do i uptdate my modules if i added module with modprobe? |
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| 18:21.55 | mentor | manup: With a text editor? |
| 18:22.03 | MatBoy | Is 17MB/s for Gigabit with Softraid1 on 7200rpm SATA1 servers slow ? Both servers are the same. I think it is :) |
| 18:22.07 | biopyte | mentor: how? |
| 18:22.15 | manup | mentor, and then reboot? |
| 18:22.16 | mentor | biopyte: open file, read data, close file. |
| 18:22.20 | mentor | manup: er? |
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| 18:22.57 | mentor | manup: modprobe loads a module into the kernel at run time. If you want that to happen again at boot time, add it to /etc/modules |
| 18:23.16 | manup | okay, thx. |
| 18:23.38 | Thms | for using non-free I add non-free line on deb and deb-src or just deb in sources.list ? |
| 18:24.04 | biopyte | mentor: no, sql-syntax i mean. something like: INSERT into table ... |
| 18:24.19 | pablo_ | what does the hotplug does? does it loads a driver? |
| 18:24.27 | mentor | biopyte: You get the data, and then you contruct and SQL statement with it? |
| 18:24.31 | manup | i added bcm43xx for my wlanadapter. where do i get the name of the adapter, eg. eth0= |
| 18:24.33 | manup | ? |
| 18:24.45 | Zerial | iwconfig |
| 18:25.06 | Jani140 | ifconfig |
| 18:25.16 | mentor | manup: ifconfig (-a) |
| 18:25.23 | mentor | sysfs |
| 18:25.26 | manup | i get lo, eth0, sit0... lo is crap, eth0 is my cable, but what is sit0? |
| 18:25.31 | mentor | tunnel |
| 18:25.50 | rahul | lo definitely isnt crap |
| 18:26.00 | rahul | you'd have all kinds of trouble without it :) |
| 18:26.01 | SerajewelKS | manup: crap.. haha |
| 18:26.22 | biopyte | mentor, i have a table with a blob column (among others). into specific cells of this column i want to load the .pdf-data which exists as file in the same directory as the the db. |
| 18:26.31 | pablo_ | my wireless pcmcia doesnt works if i leave it connected, it only works if i pluge it once it turns on |
| 18:26.48 | blondie | biopyte: why don't you ask in the channel for whatever language you're doing that in? |
| 18:26.52 | manup | SerajewelKS, yeah, beacause not what i am looking for.... |
| 18:26.58 | mentor | biopyte: Ah. You're trying to get the database to manipulate non-database objects on the server? |
| 18:27.05 | mentor | biopyte: I don't know how to do that. |
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| 18:27.30 | blondie | mentor: you'll need to write something like a perl script |
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| 18:27.42 | SerajewelKS | or a shell script |
| 18:27.49 | blondie | arse |
| 18:27.55 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 18:27.58 | biopyte | blondie: i did, nobody at home |
| 18:28.01 | mentor | biopyte: I should imagine a stored procedure is where you want to look. Otherwise look at the custom functions that the database provides. |
| 18:28.09 | danilom | someone can help me with openssl. i just installed it, but, how to use the certificate in opneoffice for example |
| 18:28.13 | mentor | biopyte: Or login to the server and run the SQL script from there. |
| 18:28.19 | mentor | cleint script |
| 18:28.21 | manup | quit |
| 18:28.37 | blondie | I'd write a perl script to do it |
| 18:29.10 | mentor | I'd jsut cat /dev/urandom to base64 to perl |
| 18:29.14 | mentor | That'll work |
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| 18:29.53 | tuv | i'm trying to decide whether to learn perl or python. any hints/recommendations/...etc.? |
| 18:29.59 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:30.09 | biopyte | mentor: i dont believe its that complicated. lets say i have a file with a string 'Joe Cool'. all i want to do is to insert this data into the column 'alias' of the record 'snoopy'. well thats just an example. |
| 18:30.13 | rahul | I'm trying to decide whether I want a lead pipe or a wooden spoon up my arse |
| 18:30.45 | mentor | biopyte: OK. Right. |
| 18:30.52 | tuv | rahul, will you help me if i help you.. i'd be glad to help you with that |
| 18:30.58 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:31.04 | SerajewelKS | tuv: you realize with the "perl vs python" sentiment, you're going to get a different answer depending who you ask |
| 18:31.13 | rahul | tuv: you're beyond help. you're asking about perl and python |
| 18:31.21 | SerajewelKS | tuv: i like perl because i know it, and i don't especially like python because i've never used it to any extent |
| 18:31.29 | biopyte | mentor: basically its nothing else but INSERT, but the data is coming from a file and i want to address a specific cell. |
| 18:31.40 | tuv | SerajewelKS, then you can't help me |
| 18:31.49 | mentor | biopyte: Take the data from the file, run it thorugh the appropriate transform (probably base64), start SQL statement, add processed data half way thorugh, finish SQL statement, execute it. |
| 18:31.51 | SerajewelKS | tuv: you can do just about anything with either. try them both and see which you like. |
| 18:32.00 | PerfDave | I find Perl to be a lot more logical and intuitive than Python. I suspect that if I really wanted to learn Python, I'd learn Ruby. |
| 18:32.06 | SerajewelKS | tuv: yes i can, i can help adjust your perspective on the issue :) |
| 18:32.08 | PerfDave | But y'know, that's just my opinion. |
| 18:32.08 | tuv | SerajewelKS, fair enough |
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| 18:32.21 | blondie | PerfDave: if you wanted to learn python you'd learn ruby? how does that work? |
| 18:32.22 | rahul | tuv: I wouldn't use either, for anything |
| 18:32.35 | tuv | SerajewelKS, what then? |
| 18:32.49 | mentor | I don't trust a programming language that pays attention to whitespace, unless it doens't pay any attention to other text. |
| 18:32.51 | cydork | tuv: learn perl and use cpan ;) |
| 18:32.53 | PerfDave | blondie: From what I've seen, Ruby is a better implementation of the goals behind the development of Python. |
| 18:32.54 | SerajewelKS | tuv: *shrug* why not C#? i mean what are you trying to do? |
| 18:32.55 | rahul | but hey, some people like lead pipes up their arses, some like wooden spoons, and some like to just not put anything up there |
| 18:33.00 | SerajewelKS | mentor: hear hear |
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| 18:33.06 | biopyte | mentor: ok, thanks |
| 18:33.14 | mentor | heh |
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| 18:33.43 | tuv | SerajewelKS, i usually use bash to automate things, but you quickly hit the wall with bash |
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| 18:34.11 | tuv | rahul, what would you use then? |
| 18:34.13 | SerajewelKS | tuv: but rahul has a point, picking a language is deciding what you will be buttraping yourself with, so pick carefully |
| 18:34.19 | rahul | tuv: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:34.47 | tuv | rahul, i usually use bash to automate things, but you quickly hit the wall with bash |
| 18:35.03 | rahul | tuv: things? |
| 18:35.04 | blondie | tuv: perl! |
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| 18:35.15 | rahul | blondie: splintery wooden spoon! |
| 18:35.17 | SerajewelKS | tuv: if you are used to bash you may find python more comfortable |
| 18:35.33 | SerajewelKS | tuv: if you use C-based languages you should give perl a try |
| 18:35.34 | cydork | SerajewelKS: not necessarily . |
| 18:35.47 | thelostbutler | hello folks i have a ext3 fileystem on a raid 5 volume that complains of wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md9 when i attempt to mount it. i tried passing sb=8193 to mount option as an alt superblock. but didn;t work. would appreciate any suggestions to recover the paritiion. thanks |
| 18:35.48 | SerajewelKS | cydork: of course not, this is all subjective |
| 18:35.50 | cydork | SerajewelKS: about the bash and python comment :P |
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| 18:36.08 | rahul | tuv: I usually end up using lisp for most non-trivial stuff, just because its interfaces are so much better thought through |
| 18:36.30 | rahul | tuv: or maybe it's because I can change the interface to whatever works for me |
| 18:36.53 | jatt | tuv: python has a major dissadvantage in debian: different pyhton implementations are not backwards compatible. That's why the python packages in debian are such a mess (3 (three) different versions in the archive). |
| 18:37.08 | rahul | tuv: I've used it to automate running benchmarks and correlate the results |
| 18:37.15 | rahul | jatt: and perl is backwards compatible? |
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| 18:38.18 | jatt | rahul: there is *one* version of perl in the archive. And my perl scripts didn't broke when I last upgraded perl. So I guess the answer is: yes. |
| 18:38.34 | rahul | jatt: that's because the last real upgrade to perl was years ago |
| 18:38.39 | blondie | jatt: yes for now... I believe perl 6 won't be :P |
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| 18:38.42 | rahul | they've basically done nothing since |
| 18:38.52 | blondie | rahul: that's wrong, it's just not released yet |
| 18:38.53 | PerfDave | "real" upgrade? |
| 18:39.09 | rahul | blondie: well yeah |
| 18:39.15 | rahul | PerfDave: anything besides bug fixes |
| 18:39.24 | blondie | rahul: same with debian, eh :p |
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| 18:39.38 | tuv | rahul, lisp? that's an interesting addition to the competition |
| 18:39.52 | jatt | blondie: well I can wait what happens with perl 6. The fact is, the python mess in debian (different implementations in the archive) has been there for *years*. |
| 18:39.58 | rahul | blondie: debian is a collection of lots of stuff. dunno if it can be compared |
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| 18:40.18 | rahul | jatt: do you remember the last time an actual release of perl came out? |
| 18:40.25 | PerfDave | Perl 5.8 isn't that old. |
| 18:40.43 | rahul | basically nothing worked |
| 18:40.48 | tuv | i think fewer releases of a language is a good thing |
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| 18:40.59 | rahul | I think releasing a language is silly. |
| 18:41.07 | rahul | you define a language and release implementations of it |
| 18:41.08 | tuv | agreed |
| 18:41.30 | tuv | though languages continue to 'evolve' and their specs change |
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| 18:41.31 | jatt | rahul: no, that's something I haven't need to care about. That perl "real upgrade" was years ago says a lot about the madurity of the language. |
| 18:41.48 | rahul | jatt: um, you haven't been looking at what's brewing, have you? |
| 18:41.56 | jatt | rahul: no |
| 18:41.59 | rahul | heh. |
| 18:42.05 | io2 | hm |
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| 18:42.11 | rahul | ignorance is bliss :) |
| 18:42.18 | io2 | etch uses hotplug or udev? |
| 18:42.27 | pickcoder | either |
| 18:42.27 | jatt | the point is, with pyhton one must *care* about the different versions because they are backwards *incompatible* |
| 18:42.30 | rahul | io2: it uses what you install |
| 18:42.31 | pickcoder | or both |
| 18:42.36 | rahul | jatt: same with perl |
| 18:42.36 | VolVE | Hey all, uhm, did I miss a bug in Etch or something? I just installed via RC1 Netinst, did a full update, but for some insane reason when I do either 'cp -rv /dir1/* /dir2/ >output' or 'cp -rv /dir1/* /dir2/ | tee output' I get nothing written to the files even though a ls on /dir2 clearly shows files being copied... if I leave off the >output or the | tee output, verbose progress shows-up fine on stdout... wtf!? :-/ |
| 18:42.42 | io2 | hm |
| 18:42.48 | io2 | i wonder what is set here.. |
| 18:42.49 | rahul | jatt: that's why I gave up on it |
| 18:42.51 | jatt | rahul: no, as I said, there is *one* version in the archive |
| 18:43.00 | rahul | jatt: so old perl scripts can't run on debian |
| 18:43.01 | io2 | is there a way i can check? |
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| 18:43.26 | rahul | jatt: and "soon enough", current ones won't, either |
| 18:43.32 | jatt | rahul: in fact, debhelper one of the main tools to build debian packages is perl-based. For years. |
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| 18:43.46 | rahul | jatt: I know this. |
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| 18:44.43 | VeSCeRa | hi, i am using the stable version of debian, as well as kde 3.3.2 how can i have bluetooth functionality in kde like kdebluetooth which is is testing packages |
| 18:44.47 | tuv | breaking backward compatibility is evil. damn you both perl and python |
| 18:44.57 | PerfDave | Old perl scripts run just fine on modern versions of Perl. And most old perl scripts will continue to run on Perl 6. |
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| 18:45.20 | jatt | rahul: that depends on how the transition is managed. If something is done that is based on the alternatives system the scripts could work, choosing the right alternative. E.g. some C++ programs don't run with g++ 3.x but do with g++4.x. With the alternatives system I can cleanly choose a compiler and make the code run. |
| 18:45.27 | rahul | tuv: well... backward compatibility is why lisp has operators called rplaca, heh |
| 18:45.30 | pickcoder | VolVE: works for me on Etch |
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| 18:45.48 | manup | i executed /usr/share/bcm43xx-fwcutter/install_bcm43xx_firmware.sh, rebooted but i dont know where i find my wlan interface |
| 18:45.53 | rahul | jatt: so? that doesn't mean perl will not suffer from the problem |
| 18:46.02 | VeSCeRa | anybody? |
| 18:46.10 | rahul | jatt: it did, and it plans to again |
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| 18:46.26 | pickcoder | VeSCeRa: look at backports.org for the kdebluetooth package |
| 18:46.28 | stray_ | VeSCeRa: maybe check backports.. |
| 18:46.32 | tuv | manup, if it doesn't show up in 'iwconfig', reload the module and watch dmesg |
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| 18:47.02 | jatt | rahul: you cannot predict the future, nor I. What I know is that the *current* state of python packages in the archive is messy. |
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| 18:47.24 | rahul | jatt: I didn't predict the future, I am indicating what larry wall is planning |
| 18:47.24 | manup | tuv, so i type modprobe bcm43xx an then dmesg? |
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| 18:47.39 | pickcoder | jatt: so e-mail the maintainer and complain about it |
| 18:47.47 | tuv | manup, yes, but unload the module first |
| 18:48.01 | tuv | manup, modprobe -r bcm43xx; ... |
| 18:48.15 | manup | okay. |
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| 18:48.56 | jatt | pickcoder: the maintainers are aware of that problem. In fact great efforts have been done from DDs in order to reduce the number of different versions of pyhton in the archive. If those efforts have been successful I am not sure. |
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| 18:49.21 | manup | tuv, wow, and what do i search in the output? it is very big! |
| 18:49.34 | tuv | manup, last few lines |
| 18:49.55 | manup | tuv, last line says: "bcm43xx driver" |
| 18:50.00 | tuv | manup, dmesg | tail if you like |
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| 18:50.10 | thelostbutler | hello folks i have a ext3 fileystem on a raid 5 volume that complains of wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md9 when i attempt to mount it. i tried passing sb=8193 to mount option as an alt superblock. but didn;t work. would appreciate any suggestions to recover the paritiion. thanks |
| 18:50.12 | tuv | manup, last FEW lines |
| 18:50.14 | manup | tuv, the lines before are about ieee802111 |
| 18:50.15 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 18:50.15 | dpkg | <kingk> Its pretty easy to install Flash, you just dl, unpack, and run the installer. But it doesn't work for me <takatumi> kingk: and yet you say it's easy. |
| 18:50.31 | manup | ieee80211_crypt: unregistered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 18:50.31 | manup | ieee80211_crypt: registered algorithm 'NULL' |
| 18:50.31 | manup | ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.7 |
| 18:50.31 | manup | ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com> |
| 18:50.32 | manup | bcm43xx driver |
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| 18:50.34 | VeSCeRa | there is no kdebluetooth in backports, any ideas? |
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| 18:51.48 | manup | tuv, sry, i was kicked. did you get the msg? |
| 18:52.10 | tuv | manup, yup.. you should have pasted in a paste bin |
| 18:52.50 | manup | tuv, in a what? |
| 18:52.52 | tuv | manup, anyways, is this all what dmesg say? it doesn't say enough |
| 18:53.01 | tuv | !tell manup about paster |
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| 18:53.34 | manup | tuv, ieee80211_crypt: unregistered algorithm 'NULL' (twice) |
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| 18:53.49 | manup | ieee80211: 802.11 data/management/control stack, git-1.1.7 |
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| 18:54.02 | phillipsjk | !tell phillipsjk about paster |
| 18:54.06 | tuv | manup, i got it the first time. no need to paste again |
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| 18:54.15 | manup | tuv, okay |
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| 18:55.39 | tuv | manup, do you have /sys/module/bcm43xx ? |
| 18:55.41 | stray_ | VeSCeRa: maybe try compiling from source.. whatis this thing that you need so badly? |
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| 18:55.59 | VeSCeRa | stray_: i need the kdebluetooth package |
| 18:56.01 | toymachine | is there a great debian manual for nvidia twinview? |
| 18:56.10 | VeSCeRa | stray_: , i am using the stable version of debian, as well as kde 3.3.2 how can i have bluetooth functionality in kde like kdebluetooth which is is testing packages |
| 18:56.14 | manup | tuv, yes |
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| 18:56.39 | tuv | manup, i don't use bcm43xx, so i don't know about the details. if something is wrong you should be able to find out about it using the /sys filesystem, dmesg, and/or iwconfig |
| 18:57.13 | tuv | manup, what are all the interface names reported by 'iwconfig' run as root |
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| 18:57.28 | phillipsjk | toymachine, That sounds like something nvidia should publish :P |
| 18:57.34 | manup | tuv, the names are "lo", "eth0" and "sit0" |
| 18:57.46 | tuv | manup, 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 18:58.26 | manup | the same, but additionally ng |
| 18:58.29 | manup | tuv, the same, but additionally ng |
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| 18:58.35 | toymachine | haha exactly |
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| 18:59.18 | tuv | manup, ng? strange. paste the line next to it only |
| 18:59.18 | phillipsjk | toymachine, I'm guessing your asking beacuse you want to get a dual-monitor setup working? |
| 18:59.43 | manup | Protokoll:Lokale Schleife //engl: local loop |
| 18:59.54 | toymachine | yes |
| 19:00.04 | manup | tuv, sorry, wrong line |
| 19:00.12 | toymachine | i have it working on my other machine i guess i should try just copying the xorg config file |
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| 19:00.15 | manup | tuv, ng: UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 |
| 19:00.26 | manup | tuv, this is the correct line |
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| 19:01.12 | tuv | manup, that is not the line next to an interfae name. are you sure 'ng' is not a continuation of a previous line? |
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| 19:01.51 | manup | tuv, wow you are right. *sorry* |
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| 19:02.07 | PerfDave | toymachine: Copying xorg files isn't a great idea. |
| 19:02.16 | tuv | manup, ok.. one last trial for me: 'grep bcm43xx /var/log/syslog' |
| 19:02.22 | manup | tuv, so ifconfig -a says: eth0, lo, sit0 |
| 19:02.35 | toymachine | PerfDave, so I have learned in the past |
| 19:02.45 | tuv | manup, yeah.. this means that the driver isn't loaded properly |
| 19:02.45 | toymachine | im gonna try this tool i just found in APT "nvidia-xconfig" |
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| 19:03.10 | manup | 3 lines, telling the date and "debian kernel: bcm43xx driver" |
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| 19:03.16 | tuv | manup, but it has to complain somewhere |
| 19:03.31 | toymachine | well wish me luck |
| 19:03.44 | tuv | manup, are you sure the firmware is installed properly? |
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| 19:04.06 | manup | i runned the install.sh an no error occured. |
| 19:04.28 | tuv | manup, do you have anything in /lib/firmware |
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| 19:04.48 | manup | tuv, yes. |
| 19:05.00 | manup | tuv, bcm43xx_*.fw |
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| 19:05.27 | tuv | manup, sorry, this is as far as i can think of. find someone who'se actually using bcm43xx |
| 19:05.42 | manup | tuv, yeah, thx so far. |
| 19:06.02 | manup | is here anyone who uses a bcm43xx wlan adapter? |
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| 19:08.00 | manup | is here anyone who uses a bcm43xx wlan adapter? |
| 19:08.05 | pickcoder | manup: did you try the windows driver with ndiswrapper? |
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| 19:09.07 | manup | pickcoder, no, i did not because earlier, i had kubuntu running, an there, i could install bcm without ndiswrapper an did this, because ndsiwrapper has disadvantages. |
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| 19:09.59 | toymachine | wel got it working |
| 19:10.01 | toymachine | that was simple |
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| 19:11.07 | toymachine | now, lastly, is there a good post-install config guide around, for setting up java, etc |
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| 19:11.38 | Asc | I'm about to get a copy of Debian, and am confused about the various names. Is/what is the/there a version that is generally stable and also uses recent versions of packages? |
| 19:11.55 | PerfDave | !releases |
| 19:11.55 | dpkg | releases is probably See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 19:11.57 | rahul | Asc: that would be an oxymoron |
| 19:12.05 | rahul | something that's constantly changing isn't stable |
| 19:12.19 | Asc | I'm thinking 'stable' as in 'not crashing' |
| 19:12.21 | PerfDave | !nomenclature |
| 19:12.21 | dpkg | it has been said that nomenclature is how we refer to Debian releases, branches and versions - see http://sparky.ox.compsoc.net/~grimoire/howto/nomenclature.html for a guide |
| 19:12.22 | Gnurdux | Asc, depends what you mean by stable and depends what you mean by recent |
| 19:12.24 | Danamania | Etch (also known as testing) has been stable in practice if you consider stable = not crashing |
| 19:12.26 | rahul | testing is a decent compromise |
| 19:12.33 | phillipsjk | asc: it's a trade-off. |
| 19:12.43 | Gnurdux | Asc, nothing is guaranteed to be stable, but testing is generally pretty stable |
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| 19:12.51 | Asc | Testing sounds good, then. |
| 19:12.58 | Gnurdux | ok :) |
| 19:13.03 | PerfDave | Though testing will be quite odd for the next few weeks while it's released. |
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| 19:13.31 | toymachine | yeah i can't wait to see the system updates start blowing up |
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| 19:13.42 | Asc | So if I get Testing/Etch now, it'll be officially stable once it's released. |
| 19:13.48 | Danamania | it will be, yes |
| 19:14.00 | PerfDave | Asc: I'd read the links mentioned above. |
| 19:14.01 | Asc | Sounds like a plan. Thanks. |
| 19:14.02 | rahul | testing will change to the next release's codename |
| 19:14.10 | rahul | once etch becomes the stable release |
| 19:14.15 | toymachine | so should i do a dist-upgrade on this machine once its final? |
| 19:14.42 | rahul | toymachine: if you are using "stable" as your release name, yes |
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| 19:15.02 | toymachine | i always wondered that |
| 19:15.06 | toymachine | oh ok then no i stay testing |
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| 19:15.14 | io3 | i guess i found out the problem |
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| 19:15.26 | io3 | looks like wpa_supplicant doesn't have AES support |
| 19:15.28 | PerfDave | If you want to run Etch and keep running it once it's released, then make sure your sources.list says "etch". |
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| 19:16.05 | toymachine | anyone ever hear anymore about project looking glass |
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| 19:16.56 | PerfDave | toymachine: Wasn't that the Java thing? |
| 19:17.20 | toymachine | PerfD: yeah it was some new java ui, that had 3D stuff |
| 19:17.52 | PerfDave | toymachine: I don't do eyecandy, and I don't do Java, so I never looked into it :) |
| 19:18.04 | toymachine | haha i program in java |
| 19:18.11 | toymachine | im with you on the eyecandy sortof though |
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| 19:18.25 | PerfDave | I have to work with Java in my job, and I hate it to killy death. |
| 19:18.27 | kingsley | How can I reconcile the contradiction of "sox" reporting "'/dev/dsp': Device or resource busy", and "lsof /dev/dsp" reporting nothing? |
| 19:18.33 | rahul | PerfDave: amen |
| 19:18.36 | Nullified | Hi guys Im using a motherboard with onboard networking "Realtek 8111B/8168B Gigabit" however I tried the netinst and it refused to work as it cant find the networking hardware, Well it did, but it was my firewire port. Im stuck at a CLI now, Anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:18.47 | rahul | but I don't use java at work any more :D |
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| 19:19.16 | PerfDave | rahul: Lucky you :) |
| 19:19.19 | pickcoder | manup: the bcm driver is a reverse engineered hack and I wouldn't rely on it |
| 19:19.32 | pickcoder | atleast with ndiswrapper you get a known working hardware driver |
| 19:19.50 | benjamindees | what program or library handles parsing config files in *.d directories ? |
| 19:19.59 | PerfDave | pickcoder: I'd rather rely on a reverse-engineered hack than a Windows driver kludged into a Linux kernel. |
| 19:20.00 | rahul | benjamindees: meaningless question |
| 19:20.12 | benjamindees | rahul, is there not a generic one? |
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| 19:20.17 | rahul | benjamindees: um... cat? |
| 19:20.37 | pickcoder | PerfDave: Samba has been around for many years |
| 19:20.48 | pickcoder | and netbios is not a completely closed protocol |
| 19:20.52 | pickcoder | it's been around even longer |
| 19:21.24 | benjamindees | rahul, they don't have to be put together in a certain order or anything? |
| 19:21.42 | PerfDave | Nullified: Is your onboard networking supported by the kernel you're trying to use? |
| 19:21.46 | rahul | benjamindees: depends on the app. |
| 19:21.59 | rahul | benjamindees: that's what the numbers are for. |
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| 19:22.26 | benjamindees | thanks rahul, just wondering if there was some overall standard |
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| 19:24.07 | pickcoder | manup: did you search google for bcm configuration on Debian? |
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| 19:24.21 | sdubois92 | im having some trouble with X |
| 19:24.41 | PerfDave | Nullified: For a start, which version of Debian did you netinst? |
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| 19:25.11 | sdubois92 | i need to install Xorg |
| 19:25.20 | sdubois92 | i added backports to the apt repos |
| 19:25.32 | sdubois92 | but when i do aptitude install xserver-xorg |
| 19:25.41 | VolVE | pickcoder: crazy, I'm inside screen... maybe that's throwing it... :-/ |
| 19:25.57 | sdubois92 | it says unmet dependancies |
| 19:25.58 | pickcoder | sdubois92: um.. are you running Debian 3.1? |
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| 19:26.02 | sdubois92 | yep |
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| 19:26.23 | lindenle | What bot is dpkg? |
| 19:26.30 | PerfDave | !what are you |
| 19:26.30 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:26.39 | lindenle | Danke |
| 19:27.01 | PerfDave | !tell sdubois92 about enter |
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| 19:31.22 | DeadFishMan | !tell DeadFishMan about enter |
| 19:31.39 | lindenle | OK so I want a bot like blootbot for a private channel that is protected by a keyword and I want everyone who is in the channel to be able to add/edit factoids. Is that possible? and How big a security risk is this? |
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| 19:32.17 | PerfDave | lindenle: "security risk"? |
| 19:32.30 | sdubois92 | any help?? |
| 19:32.47 | lindenle | PerfDave: I am new to IRC moderating and all the docs warn that bots can be real trouble in terms of security. |
| 19:33.13 | PerfDave | lindenle: "in terms of security" is pretty meaningless. What are you trying to be secure against? |
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| 19:33.41 | lindenle | PerfDave: Docs warn of DOS loss of op and trojans |
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| 19:33.51 | lindenle | PerfDave: Maybe I am being too general |
| 19:33.53 | lindenle | !noob |
| 19:33.53 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
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| 19:34.10 | PerfDave | lindenle: I think you are. I suggest you go read the blootbot documentation. |
| 19:35.00 | PerfDave | lindenle: The risk is mostly that the blootbot can be exploited to run arbitrary IRC or shell commands. This risk can be reduced by not giving your bot ops, if you don't need to, by running it as a seperate user account, running it in a chroot etc. |
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| 19:35.23 | sdubois92 | can someone help me install xorg |
| 19:35.28 | lindenle | PerfDave: Ok that makes sense...I'll see what i can get going |
| 19:35.43 | lindenle | !tell sdubois92 about install xorg |
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| 19:35.49 | PerfDave | sdubois92: Why do you want to run Xorg on Sarge? |
| 19:35.54 | lindenle | !tell sdubois92 about xorg |
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| 19:36.10 | lindenle | !tell sdubois92 about get xorg |
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| 19:36.42 | deepsa | can some one tell me the name of magazine a online magazine whoose issues came with debian sarge 3.1 (past lot of issues in compressed format)? |
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| 19:36.50 | sdubois92 | well im having some trouble with X, i install XFree86, but xorg has better support |
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| 19:36.56 | PerfDave | "better support"? |
| 19:37.02 | sdubois92 | more people use it |
| 19:37.15 | lindenle | sdubois92: what version of debian are you using |
| 19:37.15 | sdubois92 | i dont care either way |
| 19:37.18 | sdubois92 | sarge |
| 19:37.23 | PerfDave | sdubois92: What problem were you having with XFree86? |
| 19:37.52 | sdubois92 | when i did startx it rebooted the monitor then the monitor said frequnency out of range |
| 19:38.14 | PerfDave | sdubois92: Did you try reconfiguring XFree86? |
| 19:38.32 | sdubois92 | a ittle |
| 19:38.40 | sdubois92 | i thought it would be better to just get Xorg |
| 19:38.41 | mentor | Bah |
| 19:38.43 | mentor | They're back |
| 19:38.48 | sdubois92 | but im find with XF*^ |
| 19:38.50 | sdubois92 | 86* |
| 19:38.52 | muep_ | which graphics card is it, sdubois92? |
| 19:38.59 | deepsa | anyone? |
| 19:39.01 | PerfDave | sdubois92: It's rarely "better" to install backports unless you know what you're doing. |
| 19:39.30 | sdubois92 | VGA compatable: Sillicon Integrated Systems PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter |
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| 19:39.32 | PerfDave | sdubois92: Would you mind not pressing enter every few words? It makes it quite hard to follow what you're saying. |
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| 19:39.44 | sdubois92 | ok, no problem |
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| 19:40.04 | PerfDave | sdubois92: Anyway, did you actually manage to install any packages from backports.org? |
| 19:40.19 | sdubois92 | no |
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| 19:40.29 | trasz | jello: if your other nick is jelly-home - i tried the ftp://ftp.carnet.hr/pub/carne |
| 19:40.34 | trasz | t-debian/iso/arhiva/cn-debian2.1-0605-sparc.iso and it worked. |
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| 19:40.58 | PerfDave | sdubois92: Then in that case, I'd remove the backports.org lines from your sources.list and "apt-get update", and just try to get XFree86 working. |
| 19:41.09 | toymachine | holy crap |
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| 19:41.11 | toymachine | have you guys seen this |
| 19:41.14 | toymachine | http://www.happypenguin.net/ |
| 19:41.18 | trasz | jello: well, almost - it said something about being unable to create device nodes. but it booted successfully on Ultra5, as opposed to the official netinst iso image. |
| 19:41.35 | muep_ | toymachine: yes, it's a nice site |
| 19:41.44 | toymachine | lol oh nm its .org |
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| 19:42.34 | davidmccabe | Hi. Would somebody mind tossing me a copy of rename(1)? I'm on as OS that doesn't include it and I haven't been able to find it with google. |
| 19:42.37 | davidmccabe | (it's just a perl script) |
| 19:43.18 | sdubois92 | ok PerfDave |
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| 19:44.56 | PerfDave | davidmccabe: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4943 |
| 19:45.11 | davidmccabe | thanks PerfDave! |
| 19:45.12 | PerfDave | Why doesn't paster send notifications to channel any more? |
| 19:45.40 | sdubois92 | I removedI removed it, apt-get update and i have the XF86 config file up |
| 19:45.50 | blondie | PerfDave: maybe it uses that treacherous other network? |
| 19:45.59 | PerfDave | blondie: It's on channel here |
| 19:46.10 | PerfDave | sdubois92: Up in what? |
| 19:46.13 | zamaliphe | how to undo the apt-get dist-upgrade ??? |
| 19:46.26 | nkuttler | zamaliphe: undo? |
| 19:46.28 | pickcoder | zamaliphe: lost your kernel? |
| 19:46.30 | blondie | paster: stop skiving |
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| 19:46.37 | zamaliphe | no |
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| 19:46.55 | pickcoder | !downgrade |
| 19:46.55 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 19:46.57 | PerfDave | blondie: Anyway, nobody uses The Other Place, regardless of what the Debian Elite would prefer. |
| 19:47.08 | blondie | PerfDave: good to here :) |
| 19:47.12 | blondie | *hear |
| 19:47.13 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, downgrade is possible |
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| 19:47.19 | HardDisk_WP | i did it once.... |
| 19:47.19 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: tell dpkg that |
| 19:47.31 | blondie | maybe if you only upgraded one package. |
| 19:47.37 | Thms | how to know my version of xorg ? |
| 19:47.52 | zamaliphe | but after upgrade the amarok keeb crashing and take the whole kde with him |
| 19:47.52 | HardDisk_WP | blondie, i had a mix of testing, unstable and stable...and i downgraded ALL to stable |
| 19:48.01 | blondie | HardDisk_WP: orly. |
| 19:48.17 | PerfDave | Thms: "dpkg -l xserver-xorg", or check /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
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| 19:48.31 | Thms | thanks PerfDave |
| 19:48.38 | PerfDave | zamaliphe: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 19:48.51 | zamaliphe | PerfDave: etch |
| 19:48.58 | PerfDave | zamaliphe: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 19:49.12 | pickcoder | zamaliphe: did you dist-upgrade from 3.1r4? |
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| 19:49.19 | zamaliphe | PerfDave: no |
| 19:49.26 | PerfDave | zamaliphe: Check the BTS. |
| 19:49.34 | zamaliphe | !bts |
| 19:49.35 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:50.09 | pickcoder | zamaliphe: I'm curious because there is a dist-upgrade bug on Sarge that removes the kernel and initrd |
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| 19:50.16 | sdubois92 | PerfDave: What should I be looking for. When i do startx the monitor says "Frequency Out of Range - Try Other Resolution" |
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| 19:50.36 | PerfDave | sdubois92: How are you editing the XFree86 config file? |
| 19:50.42 | sdubois92 | in nano |
| 19:50.44 | pickcoder | sdubois92: reconfigure XF86 |
| 19:50.59 | sdubois92 | pickcoder: what do you mean? |
| 19:51.01 | PerfDave | sdubois92: If I were you, I'd reconfigure it with dpkg, as God^WDebian intended |
| 19:51.03 | fredo | please help |
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| 19:51.14 | fredo | please help me |
| 19:51.17 | itchi | !drxx |
| 19:51.18 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:51.25 | jugglinx | anyone try the eternal lands game? i having dome probs with it... it s make my system use 98% of CPU, i think it sould be the nvidia drivers, but... penguin racer works fien, i have probs when i use 3d games in a server... what can be the prob? |
| 19:51.26 | cnet2 | I'm using tehereal, but when I grab some packets I get this kind of things.. "\000\021\027\000\", i know i just have to decode it, but don't know how.. can anyone help me?, how is that coding called ? |
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| 19:51.30 | sdubois92 | fredo: be patient |
| 19:51.31 | blondie | fredo: not if you don't ask a question |
| 19:51.34 | zamaliphe | pickcoder: will i still have my kernel in /boot dir |
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| 19:51.41 | nvz | I am trying to figure out if/how I can adjust the lcd brightness on this compaq armada... I found this "radeontool" package but it seems to only handle toggling it on and off. The laptop has what seems to be a brigness key Fn+F10 but it does absolutly nothing as the other Fn keys dont work either |
| 19:51.51 | fredo | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Given color depth (4) is not supported |
| 19:51.51 | fredo | (EE) NVIDIA(0): *** Aborting *** |
| 19:51.51 | fredo | (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 19:51.57 | pickcoder | zamaliphe: but did you dist-upgrade from the latest Sarge? |
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| 19:52.06 | nvz | fredo: change the color depth |
| 19:52.08 | sdubois92 | Perfdave: how do i use dpkg to reconfigure |
| 19:52.10 | sei` | secret |
| 19:52.11 | fredo | ok |
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| 19:52.21 | fredo | nvz thank |
| 19:52.21 | Thms | Anyone knows a good howto for XGL because the one give by dpkg (http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl) is down |
| 19:52.22 | itchi | jugglinx: Which game exactly? |
| 19:52.25 | nvz | fredo: read the errors from now on, and do not paste them in here |
| 19:52.32 | PerfDave | !tell sdubois92 about drxx |
| 19:52.33 | fredo | ok |
| 19:52.34 | pickcoder | sdubois92: dpkg just said |
| 19:52.35 | jugglinx | itchi, eternal lands |
| 19:52.40 | blondie | !drxx |
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| 19:52.40 | dpkg | well, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 19:52.43 | zamaliphe | pickcoder: yes |
| 19:52.46 | blondie | that's for fredo too :P |
| 19:52.48 | pickcoder | zamaliphe: 2.8.6-3? |
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| 19:52.55 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:52.57 | pickcoder | 2.6.8-3 |
| 19:52.58 | itchi | jugglinx: I not find it here, is it packaged? |
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| 19:53.09 | jugglinx | no :-/ |
| 19:53.12 | zamaliphe | pickcoder: i dont know how to check ?? |
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| 19:53.22 | pickcoder | zamaliphe: you can't check now, you're on Etch.. |
| 19:53.35 | pickcoder | zamaliphe: you don't remember which kernel you were running on Sarge? |
| 19:53.35 | blondie | nvz: put that away! |
| 19:53.36 | HardDisk_WP | Has anyone here experience with tvtime?? |
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| 19:53.44 | HardDisk_WP | I cant get it running |
| 19:53.48 | fredo | change color /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ? |
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| 19:53.56 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: yes.. I got it working with bttv and ivtv |
| 19:54.03 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Yes |
| 19:54.18 | zamaliphe | pickcoder: mi kernel is vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 19:54.25 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: What's the trouble exactly? |
| 19:54.31 | manup | hi! anyone here who knows about BCM43XX? |
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| 19:54.35 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, I have a MD9717 TV card, chipset Philips SAA7134 |
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| 19:54.46 | HardDisk_WP | When I start tvtime I get a black screen |
| 19:54.49 | zamaliphe | pickcoder: and it didnot chained yet |
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| 19:54.54 | manup | hi! anyone here who knows about BCM43XX? |
| 19:54.58 | HardDisk_WP | changing channels w/ up/down doesnt work |
| 19:55.01 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Have you a /dev/video ? |
| 19:55.05 | nvz | manup: you apperently do, now stfu |
| 19:55.20 | nvz | manup: be less vague and dont repeat |
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| 19:55.36 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, yea, /dev/video0 and /dev/vbi0, as dmesg shows |
| 19:55.53 | nvz | mentor: meh? o.O |
| 19:56.01 | mentor | nvz: be nice |
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| 19:56.33 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: What about -b, --vbidevice=DEVICE and -b, --vbidevice=DEVICE ? |
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| 19:56.51 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Try it with these args |
| 19:56.53 | nvz | mentor: you can fuel your generator on cds? |
| 19:57.07 | mentor | nvz: It's a steam cycle, so anything that burns... |
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| 19:57.18 | nvz | heh, interesting |
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| 19:57.43 | nvz | I wonder can I make an engine that runs off homemade napalm |
| 19:57.53 | itchi | Btw, someone get tvtime working remotely over ssh? |
| 19:57.56 | blondie | mode +r :'( |
| 19:58.00 | nvz | surely its got to produce more energy than gas alone |
| 19:58.11 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, hmm, i ran tvtime-configure already w/ them, let me try |
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| 19:58.58 | nvz | I guess napalm isnt real environmentally friendly.. but it sure burns well |
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| 19:59.11 | tarzeau | anyone remember mosh girl? |
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| 19:59.19 | guzu | hello all |
| 19:59.23 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, doesnt help, still black screen |
| 19:59.25 | nvz | I wonder how the hell I get this lcd brightness to adjust |
| 19:59.25 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Sorry i pasted 2 times the same stuff, not yet had see it, it's -d, --device=DEVICE |
| 19:59.32 | sdubois92 | thanks |
| 19:59.36 | sdubois92 | X is working fine now |
| 19:59.37 | guzu | hey boys, where can i find an netinstall iso for potato? |
| 19:59.41 | nvz | heh |
| 19:59.42 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Is the screen not blue? |
| 19:59.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: i found moshboy, http://critical.ch/people/tarzeau-adfasdfasdf/hardcoredancer.jpg |
| 19:59.50 | PerfDave | Did potato have a netinstall ISO? |
| 20:00.00 | nvz | guzu: look in 2000A.D. |
| 20:00.01 | PerfDave | I remember installing it from floppies... |
| 20:00.05 | guzu | i/me has no idea |
| 20:00.09 | mentor | It had netinstall floppies :) |
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| 20:01.28 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, it flashes blue at start, then turns black, with a settings OSD |
| 20:01.28 | guzu | oh, cool :) where are those? |
| 20:01.28 | HardDisk_WP | but setting video standard in it didnt help |
| 20:01.28 | blondie | so... why is debian iceweasel the same name as gnuzilla's iceweasel, when they are different? |
| 20:01.28 | blondie | (whose stupid idea was that) |
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| 20:01.29 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Your tv card been work? I mean with other progs too |
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| 20:01.29 | blondie | guzu: why do you want such an old version? |
| 20:01.29 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, i got it working under windows only, this is my first time with debian and TV |
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| 20:01.30 | PerfDave | I sit corrected, http://www.debian.org/releases/potato/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-install-cd talks about itnstalling potato from a bootable CD-ROM |
| 20:01.30 | nvz | I should be working right now instead of pissing around with this laptop |
| 20:01.54 | guzu | blondie: mainly for that old netcard (isa, nonpnp) |
| 20:02.06 | blondie | doesn't that work in recent versions then? |
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| 20:02.10 | guzu | blondie, but also: only 32megs of ram |
| 20:02.11 | nvz | I've been pretty much done repairing this laptop for about 2 weeks and still havent recieved payment.. so I guess I'll go work on something profitable |
| 20:02.12 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Okay, then it should work, maybe you just need to specify the tunner you have and such when you load the module |
| 20:02.32 | guzu | blondie, and <700 megs hdd space, 300mhz proc |
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| 20:02.34 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Maybe can this help you http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=47 |
| 20:02.49 | honschu | Hi, what is the correct line in sources.list to get the kernel-sourcecode? |
| 20:03.04 | PerfDave | honschu: It should be in the standard repositories. |
| 20:03.18 | guzu | blondie, and because worked on 486dx/66 with 8 megs of ram:) |
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| 20:03.34 | blondie | guzu: wont woody work with that? |
| 20:03.36 | honschu | PerfDave: what is the standard resporities? "deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/" ? |
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| 20:03.53 | guzu | blondie, hmmm. i have no idea |
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| 20:03.57 | blondie | ffs |
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| 20:04.10 | guzu | blondie let me try it (for next few hours :)) |
| 20:04.11 | PerfDave | honschu: "apt-cache search kernel source" |
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| 20:05.08 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Ask if you need some more info, i guess you need to find the tunner you use and specify it; it should be somethings like modprobe bttv card=100 tuner=5 |
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| 20:05.17 | zamaliphe | i'm about to upgrade the new kernel in etch , i have ""Pentium 4 3000 GB"" should i use the (686 or the 468) ?? |
| 20:05.29 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, maybe it is the CARD=X parameter |
| 20:05.31 | PerfDave | zamaliphe: Either the 686 or 486 will work for you. And possibly the amd64. |
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| 20:05.56 | blondie | PerfDave: P4s aren't 64-bit are they? |
| 20:05.57 | zamaliphe | PerfDave: what is the best for me |
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| 20:06.21 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Yup, on that site i gave the link are 2 very useful sites, where you can see wich card reference and tuner you have, you need to find out, it's noted on the website all the refs |
| 20:06.25 | PerfDave | blondie: A P4 of that vintage probably has em64t extensions |
| 20:06.33 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, IT WORKS!! |
| 20:06.36 | HardDisk_WP | yeehaw! |
| 20:06.42 | HardDisk_WP | thanx! |
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| 20:06.46 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Cooool :-p |
| 20:06.52 | PerfDave | zamaliphe: You probably want -686 |
| 20:07.09 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Okay, now look for the other great stuff :-) There are tons of tools for the tv :-) |
| 20:07.20 | HardDisk_WP | well i think i stay at tvtime |
| 20:07.25 | outlaw84 | What command can I use to reformat a memorycard? (SD) My Palm would not format it for me |
| 20:07.37 | zamaliphe | PerfDave: ok |
| 20:07.41 | blondie | outlaw84: mkfs? |
| 20:07.41 | jugglinx | itchi, want u think about my problem with the 3d games? :-S it s strange that other games work properly...? |
| 20:07.47 | pumpkin0 | outlaw84: mkfs.vfat |
| 20:07.56 | outlaw84 | mkfs.vfat: Will not try to make filesystem on full-disk device |
| 20:08.02 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Yup, me too, but tryout once mythtv, teletext maybe and so |
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| 20:08.27 | wimpies | How can I take over a remote X screen using vnc ? |
| 20:08.42 | itchi | jugglinx: I dunno, wanted to read that lisence first, before installing it, but i'm not happy with it |
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| 20:09.03 | jugglinx | hmmm true :-( |
| 20:09.07 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, a question: my TV card sound output is at AUX, but tvtime uses LINE-IN. how 2 change that? |
| 20:09.28 | PerfDave | wimpies: x0rfb |
| 20:09.28 | jugglinx | not a nice license , im pretty adicted to game now :-P |
| 20:09.32 | Gnurdux | wimpies, i don't think that VNC can really do that; you have to start a seperate X server for VNC |
| 20:09.36 | jugglinx | but* |
| 20:09.52 | PerfDave | Gnurdux: apt-cache search rfb |
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| 20:10.04 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: You need to change the mixer settings |
| 20:10.16 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 20:10.19 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 20:10.30 | wimpies | perfdave gnurdux : so I want to take over a screen like WinVNC does. Should I run x0rfb ? I am behind a firewall and need to run reverse Can I do that ? |
| 20:10.56 | Gnurdux | i dont know, i just use tightvnc and inetd |
| 20:11.04 | pumpkin0 | wimpies: you can that, it is a different vnc-server. wait a second... |
| 20:11.22 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Yeah, there are some tweaks you need to do, but once done; you gona see how it rocks :-) |
| 20:11.28 | PerfDave | wimpies: rfb will allow you to connect to a current display with a VNC client. As for networking, that's up to you - I'd recommend using SSH to tunnel VNC if you're going over the Internet though. |
| 20:11.47 | _Brandon_ | hi, when i connect to my phpmyadmin on debian unstable apache crashes |
| 20:11.53 | itchi | jugglinx: I first read that license |
| 20:12.07 | itchi | jugglinx: 4. If you want to [re]distribute this game, you are NOT allowed to modify anything. You can, however, |
| 20:12.11 | itchi | distribute some txt/doc/etc file, with information about you, etc. |
| 20:12.20 | itchi | jugglinx: So these can fly to the moon of my part! |
| 20:12.32 | pumpkin0 | wimpies: and alternative server for that is "x11vnc". |
| 20:12.36 | itchi | gggrr, bad line, it's 5 |
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| 20:13.32 | PerfDave | _Brandon_: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 20:13.32 | jugglinx | itchi, ok :-/ |
| 20:13.44 | manup | i just downloaded kernel 2.6.19 and untared it. by running make menuconfig, an error occurs. why? what to fix? |
| 20:13.51 | jugglinx | itchi, dont paste it, i will search it :-) |
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| 20:14.04 | wimpies | trying ... |
| 20:14.17 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, hmm. although I edited both configs manually it still uses line |
| 20:14.17 | baikonur | what file system should I use on an external HDD for backups if I want to use it once in a while on Mac OS X? ext3 or hfsplus? |
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| 20:14.35 | itchi | jugglinx: Yeah, my touchpad suck a bit :-) |
| 20:14.44 | HardDisk_WP | it doesnt show aux in the allowed list...any way to change it? |
| 20:15.06 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: With alsa mixer, you need to press TAB |
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| 20:15.52 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, i dunno which mixer i have... |
| 20:15.58 | plb | argh can someone tell me how to turn off auth again... |
| 20:16.09 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, i only know i use KMix with /dev/mixer |
| 20:16.17 | fredo | PLEASE HELP |
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| 20:16.23 | fredo | excuse me |
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| 20:16.26 | fredo | :s |
| 20:16.35 | fredo | (EE) Configured Mouse: cannot open input device |
| 20:16.36 | fredo | (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" |
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| 20:16.46 | fredo | please help error ? |
| 20:16.55 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Hold on, need to look for a thing about it |
| 20:17.01 | plb | howto turn off auth rather |
| 20:17.04 | plb | ? |
| 20:17.04 | pumpkin0 | fredo: put your xorg-conf and log into a pastebin ... |
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| 20:17.28 | fredo | ok |
| 20:17.39 | fredo | xserver86 |
| 20:17.39 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: ... Or look with tvtime --help too -x, --mixer=DEVICE[:CH] |
| 20:17.45 | plb | could have sworn it was update-inetd --disable auth but that didn't work |
| 20:17.52 | fredo | pumpkin0 |
| 20:17.57 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, yay, i know that option, but it doesnt allow aux :-( |
| 20:18.00 | fredo | When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send |
| 20:18.00 | fredo | the full server output, not just the last messages. |
| 20:18.00 | fredo | This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log". |
| 20:18.00 | fredo | Please report problems to submit@bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:18.05 | fredo | excuse me |
| 20:18.12 | pumpkin0 | fredo: pastebin, not here. |
| 20:18.19 | pumpkin0 | fredo: or #flood .. |
| 20:18.21 | jugglinx | itchi, i dont the prob with the point 5... actually i think is a pretty funny point XD |
| 20:18.30 | fredo | pumpkin0 excuse me |
| 20:18.34 | fredo | sorry |
| 20:18.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: funny? http://critical.ch/people/tarzeau-adfasdfasdf/debconf.png |
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| 20:21.21 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Look too amixer -c 0 controls |
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| 20:22.03 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Here i need to set it amixer -c 0 cset name='Capture Source' 4 |
| 20:22.10 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: But that depend of you stuff too |
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| 20:22.52 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, ???? |
| 20:23.13 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: You need to define the output of it |
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| 20:23.47 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, i mean, i get sound. but tvtime ain't able to control loudness |
| 20:23.59 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: Ow ow ow |
| 20:24.10 | HardDisk_WP | <-- b00n |
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| 20:24.22 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: That i dunno :-) I thought the volume |
| 20:24.47 | lindenle | How do i set the channel key for blootbot? |
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| 20:24.52 | HardDisk_WP | itchi, ah |
| 20:24.52 | blinx | hi |
| 20:24.55 | HardDisk_WP | ok, n8 all |
| 20:25.00 | HardDisk_WP | and thx agaim |
| 20:25.05 | itchi | HardDisk_WP: ;-) |
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| 20:25.18 | jugglinx | itchi, just curiosity but... what is wrong with point 5 of that license? can u explain to me? |
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| 20:25.20 | HardDisk_WP | oh...any way for standby/sleep mode on Etch/KDE3.5?? |
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| 20:25.39 | jugglinx | itchi, BTW is a really weird license :-P |
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| 20:26.08 | itchi | jugglinx: Wait, need to go back to it |
| 20:26.23 | itchi | jugglinx: Yeah, looks like a kid wrote it :-p |
| 20:26.28 | tarzeau | debian's gonna release tomorrow? http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 20:27.06 | piper69 | hello all |
| 20:27.13 | blinx | I'm searching and searching for an netinstall-iso file of debian 4.0 pre-release without any result... |
| 20:27.13 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: k control center |
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| 20:27.15 | PeterC | Behind a D-Link switch/firewall I have several Debian systems that I would like to SSH remote. Is it only possible to do that if the different systems SSHd listens to different ports? What is the best soulution? |
| 20:27.25 | jugglinx | itchi, yep... i dont like points 3,4, and 6 speacially 6 :-/ |
| 20:27.28 | itchi | jugglinx: It was point 3 |
| 20:27.29 | blinx | I want an AMD64 version |
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| 20:27.49 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, now? |
| 20:28.04 | itchi | jugglinx: You are NOT allowed to take our art (2d/3d files), and use it for your own devious purpose, |
| 20:28.26 | itchi | jugglinx: Why does it matter if you use it to for your own purpose :-/ |
| 20:28.27 | jugglinx | ohh, ok, i understand, yeah that point is not ice at all :-( remember me to mozilla ;-) |
| 20:28.37 | jugglinx | nice* |
| 20:28.45 | maxy | PeterC: something is doing NAT I guess (what you call the firewall) - can you configure this something? |
| 20:28.45 | Shadowcat | what exactly is a "USB ACM Device?" |
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| 20:29.23 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: well the display anyways .. under peripherals > display |
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| 20:29.38 | Thms | how to restart xorg ? |
| 20:29.44 | itchi | jugglinx: It's wrote to many like i kid gona do it, with all my respect for him |
| 20:29.57 | pumpkin0 | Thms: ctrl-alt-backspace (WARNiNG, save first) |
| 20:30.12 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok...but i cant find anything regarding standby, only monitor energy control |
| 20:30.16 | maxy | PeterC: or do your Debian systems all have a different public IP? |
| 20:30.29 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, i mean if there is a debian mode like windows ' hibernate |
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| 20:31.21 | jugglinx | itchi, maybe he s a kid, i dunno, it doesnt look like legal language at all :-/ ( i didnt read the license before, but i knew that it wasnt GPL or similar... |
| 20:31.24 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: there are several ways to get hibernation under linux. Are you using a laptop ? |
| 20:31.40 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, no, i use a "normal" AMD PC |
| 20:31.44 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: but I guess you can install scpid .. apt-get install acpid |
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| 20:31.55 | itchi | jugglinx: Yup, i look to it, to see if i can package it for debian |
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| 20:32.17 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, ok, done |
| 20:32.30 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: is there a file called: /proc/acpi/sleep ? |
| 20:32.33 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: more info $ apt-cache show acpid |
| 20:33.11 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, no |
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| 20:33.30 | itchi | jugglinx: (i had selected with my mouse each point i was not aggree with, like my touchpad suck a bit, i killed the paste here :-)) |
| 20:33.32 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: uhm ... bad. |
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| 20:33.39 | jugglinx | itchi, well u can actually, no? |
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| 20:34.12 | itchi | jugglinx: For my own good, yes (if he not know about it) |
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| 20:34.21 | HardDisk_WP | Starting Advanced Configuration and Power Interface daemon: acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy |
| 20:34.23 | HardDisk_WP | shit |
| 20:34.24 | enouf | pumpkin0: why I have no sleep file |
| 20:34.37 | pumpkin0 | enouf: and sleep works ? |
| 20:34.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: seen it before |
| 20:34.57 | PeterC | maxy: Yes, the D-Link does port forwarding but then it's only possible to forward port 22 to a specific IP. The public IP is the same for all systems. |
| 20:34.58 | enouf | pumpkin0: I only use My monitor in sandby mode |
| 20:35.04 | enouf | standby |
| 20:35.13 | HardDisk_WP | hm, i need a machine-hibernate |
| 20:35.18 | jugglinx | hmm, in the forum were a debain package, they dont have a real prob with that and the license allow you to distribute it... i dojnt see the prob, except with point 6, maybe |
| 20:35.19 | pumpkin0 | enouf: that is controled via dpms, not acpi. |
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| 20:35.32 | enouf | pumpkin0: he has no sleep file because the pkg wasn't installed |
| 20:35.43 | jugglinx | as non.free of course, itchi |
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| 20:36.07 | itchi | jugglinx: Not for point 6 |
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| 20:36.17 | enouf | pumpkin0: it's ciontrolled through a kio-slave .. which may use dpms sure |
| 20:36.41 | itchi | jugglinx: But maybe you can ask on #debian-games ?? |
| 20:36.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: k. good night |
| 20:37.03 | itchi | tarzeau: What about http://www.eternal-lands.com/ |
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| 20:37.35 | jugglinx | itchi, for the point 3...? i dunno, but... its making a package, using it for "your own purposes"? |
| 20:37.36 | maxy | PeterC: The ssh protocol does not support different "hosts" like http does. Either just use one machine as a "gateway" to ssh to the others, or forward different ports for different machines. |
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| 20:37.40 | tarzeau | itchi: nothing beats nethack |
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| 20:37.52 | itchi | tarzeau: :-) |
| 20:37.58 | fredo | please |
| 20:38.02 | fredo | help |
| 20:38.03 | tarzeau | itchi: btw tried maze of galious? really great, i couldn't finish world 10 though |
| 20:38.07 | fredo | (EE) Problem parsing the config file |
| 20:38.07 | fredo | (EE) Error from xf86HandleConfigFile() |
| 20:38.10 | jugglinx | itchi, i dont think os, u just redistribute the game without changes |
| 20:38.25 | tarzeau | fredo reminds me of frodo |
| 20:38.34 | tarzeau | fredo: the file's got a syntax error |
| 20:38.43 | itchi | jugglinx: Yeah, but point 6 :-( not allow to be are in an Debian repo |
| 20:38.52 | PeterC | maxy: I think the second options is what I have to do since no system is supposed to be up 24/7. |
| 20:39.01 | tarzeau | itchi: have you seen the current ecksdee? it got some nice sound tracks |
| 20:39.13 | jugglinx | itchi, i will try there thanks, i didnt knew that channel even exist :-) |
| 20:39.15 | itchi | tarzeau: I install the stuff right now :-p |
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| 20:39.26 | fredo | Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:39.27 | fredo | Undefined InputDevice "Keyboard" referenced by ServerLayout "Default Layout". |
| 20:39.28 | tarzeau | itchi: i'm getting the eternal-lands audio trackes, 2 x 33 mb |
| 20:39.42 | zamaliphe | is their is away to find out why my system keep freezing or why X restart ??how |
| 20:39.50 | itchi | tarzeau: woooa, so big |
| 20:40.02 | jugglinx | LOL nobody there... not so much gamers in debian |
| 20:40.09 | itchi | zamaliphe: Check the log files |
| 20:40.26 | jugglinx | tarzeau, all the game is the of the same size :-P |
| 20:40.44 | zamaliphe | itchi: witch one ?? |
| 20:40.58 | itchi | jugglinx: But i'm realy not a pro about licensing too, these points are my personal advieces too |
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| 20:40.59 | jugglinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.18 | tarzeau | jugglinx, itchi but damn the screenshots look nice |
| 20:41.18 | itchi | zamaliphe: Dunno, like we not yet know what exactly happend you should look to the diffs logs |
| 20:41.33 | tarzeau | is the game finished? |
| 20:41.35 | mhall | does anybody know of a pixel sniffer for X? i.e. an app that says, when you mouse over a pixel on the screen, what color it's been set to? |
| 20:41.42 | itchi | zamaliphe: Try first the xorg log or so?? |
| 20:41.43 | jugglinx | itchi, me neither... but... he isnt specific at all in the points so... im sure there s "bugs" in that license XD |
| 20:41.48 | tarzeau | itchi: it's free software? |
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| 20:42.08 | itchi | tarzeau: baaa, that's the point :-) |
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| 20:42.18 | jugglinx | tarzeau, its still beta, it always will be like that, but continent 1 is finished |
| 20:42.19 | itchi | tarzeau: How free is it |
| 20:42.21 | tarzeau | itchi: weeeel if it's not free |
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| 20:42.31 | itchi | tarzeau: Yup, thought too |
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| 20:42.49 | tarzeau | itchi: i want a GOOD bomberman for linux |
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| 20:43.00 | jugglinx | tarzeau, at least try it to say me if u get your CPU working at 98% , please |
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| 20:43.07 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 20:43.28 | itchi | tarzeau: With good gfx :-) |
| 20:43.28 | tarzeau | jugglinx: nah, i don't feel like it now. i'm in a very good nethack game |
| 20:43.32 | solemnwarning | Why would lspci under debian show most of my devices as unknown device, but gentoo livecd shows what they are? |
| 20:43.38 | tarzeau | itchi: nethack HAS great gfx if you ask me |
| 20:43.43 | jugglinx | tarzeau, ok :-) |
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| 20:43.49 | rahul | solemnwarning: newer pciutils package |
| 20:43.55 | AbsentMinded | cloned green eggs and ham |
| 20:43.59 | buu | solemnwarning: Run pciupdate or something similar? |
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| 20:44.25 | pumpkin0 | solemnwarning: run as root: update-pciids |
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| 20:44.49 | solemnwarning | Ah |
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| 20:44.57 | jugglinx | tarzeau, its a nice game try it some day, i get really hooked to it :-) |
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| 20:45.16 | maxy | tarzeau, have you already ascended? |
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| 20:45.33 | tarzeau | maxy: yes, once, www.linuks.mine.nu/nethack/ascend/ 26 june 2004 |
| 20:45.53 | tarzeau | maxy: you? vo welem kantoenli bisch? |
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| 20:46.30 | runa | hey :) how can I find stats about my megaraid raid controller? I want to see req/s and throughput for each of the raid disks |
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| 20:46.35 | signalvsnoise | anybody here ever get mkcdrec to build a multi-volume CD backup? |
| 20:46.45 | itchi | tarzeau: hhmm, nice mazeofgalious |
| 20:46.56 | tarzeau | itchi: also good graphics and good sound, and gameplay |
| 20:47.13 | itchi | tarzeau: :-) |
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| 20:49.28 | blondie | buu: wtf arte y |
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| 20:50.21 | blondie | yes, all laugh at kliknet-online.com |
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| 20:54.01 | fredo | help me |
| 20:54.09 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 20:54.10 | dpkg | <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 20:54.10 | blondie | now what? |
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| 20:54.32 | fredo | Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:54.32 | fredo | Undefined InputDevice "Configured Mouse" referenced by ServerLayout "Default Layout". |
| 20:54.47 | pumpkin0 | fredo: join the channel #flood and post the whole file there. |
| 20:54.57 | fredo | please |
| 20:54.59 | fredo | help me |
| 20:55.23 | pumpkin0 | fredo: => /j #flood |
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| 20:57.31 | rahul | help. please help me. I need help. I... I don't know who I am no more. |
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| 20:57.41 | itchi | !beer rahul |
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| 20:57.49 | itchi | rahul: Now everything goes right |
| 20:57.52 | pumpkin0 | rahul: you are rahul and online in #debian .. |
| 20:58.11 | rahul | oh wait |
| 20:58.30 | rahul | it was, I need help. I need help. I don't know who I am no more. I'm gonna get some help. Help me. |
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| 20:58.34 | Jani140 | Does anybody know why my little old laptop hangs during the boot from bootfloppy at "RAMDISK: Compressed Image found at block 0" |
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| 20:59.22 | itchi | fredo: Pastebin your /var/local/XF86Config-4 |
| 20:59.41 | guzu | Jani140, maybe not enough ram ? |
| 20:59.43 | itchi | fredo: It's just a section that are missing |
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| 21:00.21 | itchi | I dunno how #flood can be are useful for a such long thing :-) |
| 21:00.22 | Jani140 | guzu: 64k ^^ |
| 21:00.28 | Jani140 | :-( |
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| 21:01.10 | itchi | Jani140: Bad floppy, or somethings have happend when make that floppy?? |
| 21:01.19 | fredo | /var/local/ is empty |
| 21:01.23 | pumpkin0 | itchi: i tried to tell fredo that, but ... |
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| 21:01.35 | itchi | pumpkin0: :-p |
| 21:01.39 | itchi | :-) |
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| 21:01.50 | Jani140 | i dont know. Ive tryed a lot of images but all with the same floppy :-) |
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| 21:02.03 | fredo | ok |
| 21:02.05 | pumpkin0 | itchi: anyway.. i think the file is OK. The part scrolling in #flood is good. |
| 21:02.13 | guzu | blondie, tryin to install debian 3.0r1 it reboots as soon as possible during install (like after creating filesystem on "/", tryin to use the cdrom as source etc) |
| 21:02.14 | Jani140 | But i think its the RAM |
| 21:02.54 | Jani140 | I didnt own an other floppy :-/ |
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| 21:04.51 | malverian | Where is the proper place to ask questions about apache2 in Debian? |
| 21:05.18 | malverian | Someone else already posted my identical problem to the mailing list, but no one has responded for 1 month: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08312.html |
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| 21:05.43 | itchi | !water rahul |
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| 21:06.08 | itchi | malverian: Is it an bug? |
| 21:06.26 | malverian | itchi: I'm not sure.. it's possibly a configuration problem, though the same configuration works in a Gentoo box. |
| 21:06.34 | blondie | o.O |
| 21:06.35 | malverian | itchi: The configuration that he used in that bug is identical to mine. |
| 21:07.00 | malverian | itchi: In fact.. oddly enough it doesn't even work at all unless you manually do the AuthBasicProvider directive. |
| 21:07.03 | malverian | (which shouldn't be required) |
| 21:07.15 | CharminTheMoose | check install is spouting this at me: test -z "/usr/local/man/man6" || mkdir -p -- "/usr/local/man/man6" mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/local/man': File exists make[3]: *** [install-man6] Error 1 |
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| 21:07.37 | malverian | itchi: I searched the bug database (apache2 and apache2-common) and found nothing |
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| 21:08.03 | malverian | itchi: By the way.. this id Debian Etch |
| 21:08.15 | itchi | malverian: I dunno, just asked so :-p |
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| 21:08.31 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: try remove the -p option |
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| 21:08.51 | mrabbit | hello, when is Debian 4.0 to be released? |
| 21:09.25 | NoGoo | How do I figure out which modules are used by my ethernetcard? |
| 21:09.47 | Eulex | you could look in your dmesg |
| 21:09.53 | Eulex | mrabbit, when it's ready |
| 21:10.06 | pumpkin0 | !tell NoGoo about which driver |
| 21:10.22 | CharminTheMoose | pfft |
| 21:10.26 | CharminTheMoose | still not working |
| 21:10.36 | mrabbit | Eulex, but when is it scheduled to be released |
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| 21:11.06 | blondie | mrabbit: 4th december 2006 |
| 21:11.12 | blondie | :P |
| 21:11.19 | Eulex | s/is/was/ |
| 21:11.25 | CharminTheMoose | i still get the same error |
| 21:11.25 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: see your /etc/manpath.config file |
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| 21:11.42 | mrabbit | blondie: so its late, grrrrrr |
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| 21:11.46 | blondie | yes |
| 21:11.56 | lindenle | Does anyone here have any experience with configuring blootbot? |
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| 21:12.44 | CharminTheMoose | what should i be looking for? |
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| 21:13.08 | mptech | I'm using a Dell 3007WFP Display (30 inches) and running it at 2560x1600. Having done so in both windows and linux, I have noticed that everything looks "smaller" in windows than in linux, even though they're at the same resolution. Is there any reason why this may be occuring? |
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| 21:13.25 | mptech | Have I configured something incorrectlY? |
| 21:13.28 | danieldg | DPI |
| 21:13.42 | mptech | ah |
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| 21:13.56 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: no clue .. /msg dpkg checkinstall |
| 21:14.19 | blondie | that monitor is too big! |
| 21:14.33 | mptech | heh |
| 21:14.35 | guzu | blondie, guess what: i tried potato, it reboots also |
| 21:14.50 | blondie | erm |
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| 21:15.08 | pumpkin0 | mptech: linux tries to make everything look the same size (in inch), windows uses the same pixel-size. That's the difference (if you setup the resolution correctly) |
| 21:15.22 | guzu | blondie, what chances you think i'll have with the latest etch? |
| 21:15.28 | blondie | guzu: no idea |
| 21:15.43 | guzu | blondie, k, thnx, i'll give it a try :) |
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| 21:16.22 | mptech | pumpkin0, when you say same by inch, what are you comparing it to? |
| 21:16.28 | mptech | different resolutions? |
| 21:17.08 | CharminTheMoose | sudo reboot |
| 21:17.11 | pumpkin0 | different resolutions and different screen sizes (800x600 on 15" vs 1280x1024 on 15" vs 1920x1080 on 32") |
| 21:17.17 | malverian | Anyone with any ideas on this mod_auth_ldap problem? |
| 21:17.25 | itchi | !beer pumpkin0 |
| 21:17.30 | malverian | I'm not the only one: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-apache@lists.debian.org/msg08312.html |
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| 21:17.41 | mptech | pumpkin0, so linux dynamically adjusts the DPI when you change res correct? |
| 21:17.58 | resistance | how can i set debian to automatically start services like apache and assterisk |
| 21:18.16 | pumpkin0 | mptech: it tries too ... |
| 21:18.31 | pumpkin0 | resistance: usually these are autostarted by default. |
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| 21:18.56 | resistance | well, everytime i restart the server i have to manually start them |
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| 21:19.07 | solars | does anyone know a screenrecorder in the debian archives that can record specific windows? |
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| 21:19.17 | blondie | did you install apache using apt-get or did you install it manually? |
| 21:19.33 | resistance | at-get |
| 21:19.47 | itom | hi all, I want to change the function of button in my keyboard; I'm searching the "del" key to assign to an other button; any suggest? |
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| 21:20.19 | itchi | solars: istanbul ? |
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| 21:20.27 | Jani140 | resistence: have you looked into the error.log of your apache before you startetd manually? |
| 21:20.32 | solars | itchi, thank you |
| 21:21.34 | Jani140 | maybe a module crashes apache |
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| 21:22.58 | resistance | jani140: there are no errors |
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| 21:25.18 | resistance | is there any way to see a list of autostart services? |
| 21:25.20 | Jani140 | resistance: look mal for a startscript für apache httpd in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 21:26.25 | Jani140 | hm. do you use text based system? |
| 21:26.55 | resistance | no, i have debian, i am using apache2, should i have an apache file in the init.d dir |
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| 21:27.07 | Jani140 | yes |
| 21:27.09 | zamaliphe | is their is an app that trace my system to find what case my system to crash ?? |
| 21:27.16 | Jani140 | named apache2 |
| 21:27.26 | resistance | well i have apach2 and apache |
| 21:27.42 | Jani140 | if its not availeble it can be named httpd |
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| 21:28.27 | Thms | how to install a cgwd theme ? |
| 21:28.48 | Jani140 | oh. How was ist at debian? Where can the rc*.d/ folders found in? |
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| 21:29.19 | Jani140 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:29.31 | resistance | etc/init.d |
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| 21:30.02 | h3sp4wn | they are in /etc/rc?.d |
| 21:30.04 | Jani140 | resistance: I suppose so youre running in init 5? |
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| 21:30.25 | resistance | what's that? :D |
| 21:31.11 | Jani140 | resistance: do an ls on /etc/rc5.d/ |
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| 21:31.51 | Jani140 | do you have a link witch contains "apache"? |
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| 21:32.04 | Jani140 | ...in this foler i mean |
| 21:32.13 | resistance | yup |
| 21:32.24 | resistance | two. one apache and one apache2 |
| 21:32.27 | Jani140 | whats the prifix? |
| 21:32.40 | Jani140 | S0?apacvhe2 |
| 21:32.48 | Jani140 | ah... |
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| 21:33.28 | resistance | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.35 | resistance | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.54 | Jani140 | All entrys wich an S will be called if the system starts and all with K will run if the system goes down |
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| 21:34.26 | resistance | ok so how about asterisk |
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| 21:34.54 | Jani140 | oh. both apaches cant run at the same time on the same port?! |
| 21:35.07 | resistance | uh huh |
| 21:35.12 | resistance | can i delete the old one? |
| 21:35.20 | Jani140 | yes |
| 21:35.30 | Thms | how can I have the default xorg config file for me ? I modified it and made it bugging :( |
| 21:35.37 | Jani140 | its only a link to /etc/init.d/apache |
| 21:36.15 | Jani140 | does the older apache run if you reboot your server? |
| 21:36.42 | resistance | no |
| 21:36.43 | geo-rge | one apache can run two domain names on the same port/IP |
| 21:36.57 | Jani140 | or does none apache run? |
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| 21:37.14 | resistance | what is dcopserver? |
| 21:37.18 | alexander | sup all |
| 21:37.22 | geo-rge | doesn't look like you're doing that :) |
| 21:37.31 | resistance | none runs |
| 21:37.32 | geo-rge | !info dcopserver |
| 21:37.41 | Jani140 | geo-rge: yes but 2 applications cant be run on the same tcp port :_) |
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| 21:37.46 | Nullified | Hi guys Im using a motherboard with onboard networking "Realtek 8111B/8168B Gigabit" however I tried the netinst and it refused to work as it cant find the networking hardware, Well it did, but it was my firewire port. Im stuck at a CLI now, Anyone have any ideas? |
| 21:37.52 | resistance | it's just that an error started popping up here |
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| 21:38.02 | resistance | about dcop comm server |
| 21:38.28 | geo-rge | Jani140: true... |
| 21:39.03 | Majk | Is it possible to install like Gnome and a VNC client remote and then just connecting via a VNC client from the local computer ? |
| 21:39.05 | alexander | just wondering: given the current state of 64bit arch (need to install 32bit libs for many programs) is it worth installing? is there really a performance gain on intel core2duo chips? or am i better off with the 32 bit arch? |
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| 21:39.35 | Jani140 | resistance: do you have your box leases in a data center or staying at home? |
| 21:39.46 | moshii | alexander: haven't noticed any problems running etch 64bit .. |
| 21:40.01 | resistance | home |
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| 21:40.16 | solars | does anyone know where to get liblame ? |
| 21:40.20 | alexander | moshii, flash? java? openoffice? all work well? is it really faster? |
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| 21:40.31 | xbaez | hola ! |
| 21:40.33 | xbaez | hello |
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| 21:40.37 | Jani140 | compile lame on your mashine |
| 21:40.45 | zamaliphe | is their is an app that trace my system to find what case my system to freez ??or what case kde to crash ?? |
| 21:40.55 | apokryphos | <eNteR> just spammed me on entering |
| 21:41.08 | itchi | zamaliphe: Not yet find somethings in the log files? |
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| 21:41.28 | Jani140 | resistence: if you start apache2 manualy it would produce no error and run fine? |
| 21:41.50 | zamaliphe | itchi: no |
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| 21:42.00 | Jani140 | then look too at /etc/rc3.d/ for an apache2 |
| 21:42.03 | itchi | zamaliphe: It's x that freeze ? |
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| 21:42.27 | ezguy | could anyone suggest a way to create a mirror image of the installed OS and maintain mirror image updates in monthly incremental via rsync? |
| 21:42.42 | zamaliphe | itchi: i dont know |
| 21:42.52 | moshii | alexander: hmm the machine I run 64 bit etch on is more of a production box. |
| 21:43.03 | pumpkin0 | ezguy: rsync the /dev/disc-file ... |
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| 21:43.14 | newbuntuser | hmm i have ubuntu dapper installed and i installed xfree86 from debian woody.. |
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| 21:43.19 | alexander | moshii, im looking more for a desktop box |
| 21:43.22 | newbuntuser | and now my system's not workign |
| 21:43.28 | pumpkin0 | ezguy: and use anacron to restart this every month ... |
| 21:43.37 | pumpkin0 | !ubuntu |
| 21:43.37 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 21:43.45 | alexander | anyone have a howto on replacing osx with debian in macbook? |
| 21:44.04 | alexander | cant stand osx |
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| 21:44.20 | pumpkin0 | alexander: (even it is not 100% right) goto #debian-ppc. These guys know more about that. |
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| 21:44.40 | itchi | zamaliphe: hhhm, maybe look if the gfx card become to hot?? |
| 21:44.41 | Jani140 | resistence, do youre online yet? |
| 21:44.41 | alexander | pumpkin0, thx |
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| 21:44.57 | paawel | hello, extract 100 files *tar.gz one command -how? |
| 21:45.03 | moshii | alexander: from what I can see packages are handling the problems with needing 32bit libs etc, so o it won't be so hard to get a working system :) |
| 21:45.18 | zamaliphe | itchi: no its not hot at all |
| 21:45.20 | Zerial | paawel, mm for file in *.tar.gz; do tar zxvf $file; done? |
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| 21:45.30 | itchi | zamaliphe: Okay, that's already good news |
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| 21:45.43 | itchi | zamaliphe: Have you an proprietary driver installed? |
| 21:45.45 | hyperactivecrond | hmm i think we're down on our stats.. i only got factoid'ed in 5 seconds.. we need to speed things up |
| 21:45.50 | hyperactivecrond | </tongue in cheek> |
| 21:45.55 | zamaliphe | itchi: it code never be the hot case i'm freezing now |
| 21:46.10 | alexander | moshii, really, thanks! last i tried it was not quite so easy, so i decided to install 32 bit debian in an amd machine... im thinkin about givin it a try again |
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| 21:47.02 | flashnet | j ubuntu |
| 21:47.08 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:48.40 | mptech | How does one go about changing the default dpi settings used by GDM to start x? |
| 21:49.00 | Coweater | set it in your xorg.conf |
| 21:49.11 | mptech | Coweater, I don't know how :( |
| 21:49.28 | zamaliphe | itchi: no i have nvidia gforce 4 mx4000 and i still use the "NV" driver i have just download the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg1.run and i was wetting to see what is going on before install it |
| 21:49.46 | Coweater | have to set the DisplaySize variable i think, the dpi gets calculated, man xorg.conf for details |
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| 21:49.52 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: DO NOT DO IT |
| 21:49.55 | mptech | zamaliphe, for the love of god |
| 21:49.57 | mptech | don't use that |
| 21:50.02 | mptech | use the debian package |
| 21:50.06 | resistance | caught SIGTERM, shutting dow |
| 21:50.16 | itchi | zamaliphe: hhhm, maybe try out with the vesa stuff, just for test?? |
| 21:50.19 | pumpkin0 | zamaliphe: there is a perfectly working deb for that. |
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| 21:50.40 | itchi | zamaliphe: (Just to see if it's an driver trouble) |
| 21:50.49 | resistance | would apache2 ot start because there are image files missing from a webage? |
| 21:50.54 | resistance | `not |
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| 21:50.57 | Jani140 | resistance: when? If you try to start apache2? |
| 21:51.06 | resistance | on reboot |
| 21:51.13 | abrotman | resistance: no |
| 21:51.15 | resistance | when i start it manually it works fine |
| 21:51.21 | resistance | the last line is: caught SIGTERM, shutting dow |
| 21:51.23 | itchi | zamaliphe: With vesa, down the depth colors and see if it happend again (hope's your not yet have install that crap of the net) |
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| 21:51.37 | abrotman | resistance: check the apache error log |
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| 21:51.53 | resistance | that's where i got that from |
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| 21:51.56 | resistance | caught SIGTERM, shutting dow |
| 21:52.06 | pumpkin0 | resistance: and nothing else ? |
| 21:52.23 | resistance | i cmplains about a few missing image files, and then that |
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| 21:52.29 | Jani140 | resistance: but this ist normally at a reboot or shutdown |
| 21:52.43 | pumpkin0 | Jani140: this is startup ... |
| 21:52.46 | abrotman | resistance: that's not why .. look in the error log .. see what it says |
| 21:52.59 | pumpkin0 | resistance: get the whole error-log into a pastebin |
| 21:53.07 | resistance | apache error log? |
| 21:53.39 | zamaliphe | itchi: why not install it why ??? |
| 21:53.57 | itchi | zamaliphe: Why install evil stuff, why?? |
| 21:53.57 | zamaliphe | itchi: crap of the net!!!! |
| 21:53.59 | Jani140 | resistance: it can be found normally in /var/log/httpd/error_log |
| 21:54.12 | itchi | zamaliphe: The driver of the nvidia of the net |
| 21:54.30 | itchi | zamaliphe: Use the debian /version/ instead |
| 21:54.42 | resistance | mine is in var/log/apache2/error: http://pastebin.com/846701 |
| 21:55.08 | Supaplex | does flwm not support scroll wheel events? (xorg/etch) |
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| 21:55.47 | resistance | what i can't figure out is that if i start manually its start without a hitch |
| 21:55.58 | Jani140 | pumpkin0: resistance is futher then I but i hang at RAMDISK: Image found at block 0 |
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| 21:56.56 | aronofsky | hi , can anyone tell me the difference between r2xx,r3xx drivers i read about on internet and 'ati' drivers that comes with xorg ? |
| 21:57.19 | geo-rge | sounds like ATI card |
| 21:57.30 | pumpkin0 | Jani140: resistance is going noway if the things he tells us are true. strange things happen on that server. and i have no idea your problem too. |
| 21:57.40 | geo-rge | they cover different hardware |
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| 21:58.26 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: some cores (ati names them r200 r250 rv200...) are supported by the opensource radeon driver (called "ATI" or "radeon"). Others are not. Which card do you have ? |
| 21:58.41 | geo-rge | ohh, I see what you're asking now... I was told the answer yesterday... ati driver is a wrapper, it detects the chipset and loads the appropriate driver |
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| 21:59.23 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: well, it loades radeon or ati or vesa. The vesa-thingy is a bit off IMHO, but well it works... |
| 21:59.33 | aronofsky | geo-rge, so ati containes those r2xx and r3xx drivers ? |
| 21:59.39 | rahul | aronofsky: the ati driver is a meta-driver, yes |
| 21:59.41 | geo-rge | not contains |
| 21:59.43 | geo-rge | loads |
| 21:59.58 | rahul | aronofsky: it detects the right driver for the specific chip you have and loads that |
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| 22:00.18 | Jani140 | resistance: after your mashine comes up when you power it on in follow-up it goes down? |
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| 22:00.23 | geo-rge | but effectively, "contains" is a way to see the situation |
| 22:00.23 | aronofsky | yeah ok but those r2 and r3 are parts of the free driver, right ? |
| 22:00.30 | geo-rge | yes |
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| 22:00.50 | resistance | i dunno happens too fast |
| 22:00.57 | pumpkin0 | aronofsky: the supported list is here: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html |
| 22:01.07 | abrotman | r300.sf.net |
| 22:01.11 | aronofsky | geo-rge, ok thx, other question, is it possible to use aiglx with fglrx driver ? |
| 22:01.13 | humbolto | did anybody try a sarge to etch upgrade lately? |
| 22:01.16 | abrotman | pumpkin0: etch has 7.1 |
| 22:01.21 | resistance | hang on i reinstaled c what will happen |
| 22:01.23 | geo-rge | dunno |
| 22:01.29 | lindenle | Ok how do you change a factoid in blootbot? |
| 22:01.35 | humbolto | successfully? |
| 22:01.44 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: 7.1 has new radeon's ? |
| 22:01.53 | abrotman | 7.1 is the version in etch ... |
| 22:01.58 | abrotman | it might support others |
| 22:02.32 | geo-rge | I get this from "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo": |
| 22:02.41 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: i thought ati pulled the NDA back and newer radeons would not enter the driver for a looonnnnggg time |
| 22:02.43 | aronofsky | humbolto, i did |
| 22:02.49 | geo-rge | name of display: :0.0 \n libGL: XF86DRIGetClientDriverName: 5.2.0 r300 (screen 0) \n (...) libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r300_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_get_dispatch) |
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| 22:03.06 | abrotman | pumpkin0: i don't htink this has anyhitng to do with ATI |
| 22:03.08 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: you mixed etch and sid, didn't you ? |
| 22:03.13 | geo-rge | no |
| 22:03.17 | humbolto | aronofsky: and, did you have any problems with upgrading from sarge to etch? if yes, which? |
| 22:03.27 | geo-rge | I hope not :P |
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| 22:03.55 | humbolto | I am planing to do that for a production system. I guess etch is somewhat stable isn't it? |
| 22:03.57 | abrotman | humbolto: i did one last week .. why ? |
| 22:04.15 | geo-rge | humbolto: they're "testing" it now |
| 22:04.16 | humbolto | abrotman: just wondering if I should or not. |
| 22:04.19 | abrotman | the kernel bit is tricky |
| 22:04.26 | aronofsky | bad idea, , dont do it |
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| 22:04.45 | humbolto | I know there is no RIGHT answer to that. But I try to get a feeling. |
| 22:04.47 | fulldisclosure | Hi, I am trying to compile gnome-bluetooth in debian etch and I have problems compiling a dev library needed for it. |
| 22:04.47 | abrotman | humbolto: just wait for the release |
| 22:04.51 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: well the ATI-NDA you need to sign for the specifications says ATI has to argee with every software before you can publish it. They didn't sign anything for some time and the developer was a bit angry. |
| 22:04.58 | humbolto | abrotman: when will that be? |
| 22:04.59 | abrotman | fulldisclosure: ask the people that wrote it |
| 22:05.10 | abrotman | pumpkin0: so what ? the driver isn't ati software |
| 22:05.16 | abrotman | humbolto: When it's ready |
| 22:05.19 | geo-rge | pumpkin0: having said that... I did recently upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 22:05.21 | fulldisclosure | abrotman, But it's in debian svn. |
| 22:05.36 | geo-rge | there could be remnants |
| 22:05.37 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: the dev is working with ATI-specs. It is not revsere e. |
| 22:05.44 | abrotman | right .. but you should still ask them .. it' snot a package for a reason ? |
| 22:05.47 | humbolto | abrotman: in a year or in a few month? |
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| 22:05.53 | abrotman | pumpkin0: ask #xorg or whatever |
| 22:06.10 | abrotman | humbolto: hopefully a month ... but noone really knows .. http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 22:06.24 | abrotman | humbolto: 114 bugs to kill! |
| 22:06.30 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: *g*. closed ATI or open ATI driver ? |
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| 22:07.05 | geo-rge | open, ati, not fglrx (tried that, didn't work, no real support, switched back) |
| 22:07.23 | jugglinx | i need some help here... im just discovered that glxgears isnt woking properly, so i think the nvidia driver get broken or the last kernel update went wrong in some way... but still i get the splash screen of nvidia and everything, so looks like half installed if that is possible... what should i do? install the driver like i do the first time? |
| 22:07.28 | geo-rge | I built fglrx, installed the resulting .deb |
| 22:07.31 | humbolto | can anybody tell me if the following netfilter modules are available in etch kernel by default: ip_conntrack, ipt_CONNMARK, iptable_mangle, ipt_owner, ipt_mark? |
| 22:07.34 | abrotman | what's wrong with glxgears ? |
| 22:07.44 | geo-rge | missing teeth? |
| 22:07.46 | aronofsky | pumpkin0, geo-rge , do you know if it possible to use aiglx with fglrx driver ? |
| 22:07.51 | geo-rge | no |
| 22:07.53 | abrotman | aronofsky: ask #ati |
| 22:07.56 | rahul | missing teeth aren't attractive |
| 22:08.01 | jugglinx | abrotman, they just freeze and consumes the 70% of cpu |
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| 22:08.03 | rahul | except in hockey players |
| 22:08.04 | geo-rge | on a gear? |
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| 22:08.11 | abrotman | jugglinx: on debian ? |
| 22:08.15 | pumpkin0 | geo-rge: it looks like you have parts of mesa that are not from etch. reinstalling all mesa-related stuff fixes ? |
| 22:08.24 | jugglinx | abrotman, the other 30% takes it xorg :-/ yep, in sid |
| 22:08.31 | abrotman | checked the bts ? |
| 22:08.37 | jugglinx | bts? |
| 22:08.38 | humbolto | is firefox2 in etch? |
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| 22:08.43 | abrotman | !btssmite jugglinx |
| 22:08.44 | geo-rge | pumpkin0: ok, I'll try that when I get back from coffee/food |
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| 22:08.46 | abrotman | humbolto: no |
| 22:09.09 | jugglinx | hehehe... no i dont... |
| 22:09.20 | abrotman | sid is unstable |
| 22:09.58 | jugglinx | i know, but im just starting with it... |
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| 22:10.41 | jugglinx | all i know is that the driver ws working before i installed the last kernel... 2.6.18 if i dont recall wrongly... |
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| 22:10.54 | humbolto | what is really important for me, even if I wait for the final release is, if the modules mentioned above are available by default. CONNMARK was not available in sarge standard kernel, if I remember right, so I had to patch it. I would love it, if I could avoid this step this time. |
| 22:10.59 | jugglinx | 2.6.18-3 |
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| 22:11.48 | seb- | should https virtual host stuff go in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf or /etc/apache2/apache2.conf? |
| 22:11.59 | seb- | i'm confused about debian having SEPARATE server for HTTPS |
| 22:12.02 | seb- | (SSL) |
| 22:12.23 | fredo | seb version kernel ? |
| 22:12.28 | seb- | etch |
| 22:12.31 | seb- | just a sec |
| 22:12.40 | seb- | 2.6.16 |
| 22:12.53 | seb- | 2.6.16-29-xenU |
| 22:12.59 | seb- | smp |
| 22:13.05 | fredo | ok |
| 22:13.06 | Supaplex | seb-: mod_ssl > apache-ssl, and yes there's a few different packages. :P |
| 22:13.37 | seb- | Supaplex: are they competing SSL apps? |
| 22:14.00 | Supaplex | I think they conflict if that's what you mean |
| 22:14.23 | Supaplex | mod_ssl can do proxing and other stuff apache-ssl cannot. configuration directives differ |
| 22:14.30 | seb- | Supaplex: i thought i *WAS* using mod_ssl but it didn't work UNTIL i installed apache-ssl |
| 22:14.40 | resistance | [Thu Dec 28 04:01:15 2006] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 22:14.40 | resistance | [Thu Dec 28 04:01:15 2006] [error] [client 192.168.0.30] File does not exist: /var/www/panel/background.jpg |
| 22:14.40 | resistance | [Thu Dec 28 04:01:19 2006] [error] [client 192.168.0.16] File does not exist: /var/www/asterisk |
| 22:14.40 | resistance | [Thu Dec 28 04:01:26 2006] [error] [client 192.168.0.30] File does not exist: /var/www/panel/background.jpg |
| 22:14.40 | resistance | [Thu Dec 28 04:01:36 2006] [error] [client 192.168.0.30] File does not exist: /var/www/panel/background.jpg |
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| 22:14.59 | resistance | [Thu Dec 28 04:02:59 2006] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting dow |
| 22:15.02 | resistance | sorry |
| 22:15.07 | itchi | resistance: :-p |
| 22:15.18 | resistance | didn't mean to do that |
| 22:15.47 | resistance | *resistance hangs his head |
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| 22:16.05 | abrotman | resistance: really .. most likely not related |
| 22:16.22 | resistance | you mean the log? |
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| 22:17.18 | Supaplex | seb-: apache-ssl: usr/lib/apache/1.3/libssl.so apache2-common: usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_ssl.so libapache-mod-ssl: usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_ssl.so |
| 22:17.24 | Jani140 | Does anyone know where to get an really old linux floppy installation for running at 33Mhz und unter 1mb of ram? |
| 22:17.55 | Supaplex | Jani140: 1mb? yikes. |
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| 22:18.08 | Jani140 | i think |
| 22:18.14 | Supaplex | you're better off with freedos :P |
| 22:18.22 | CHodapp | second that. Or Minix. |
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| 22:18.29 | zamaliphe | !mixe etch / sid |
| 22:18.35 | Jani140 | i need an httpd for it |
| 22:18.57 | CHodapp | Jani140: no offense intended, I've found faster computers in dumpsters :\ |
| 22:18.59 | aronofsky | I heard new ATI cards were not supported by the free driver and will not be soon for some obscure reason, can anyone tell me more about it ? |
| 22:19.15 | zamaliphe | !mix sid etch |
| 22:19.18 | CHodapp | aronofsky: nothing past the 9250 has full support from the open source driver |
| 22:19.23 | zamaliphe | !mix sid / etch |
| 22:19.32 | Supaplex | zamaliphe: /msg the bot |
| 22:19.44 | Jani140 | CHodapp: ^^ |
| 22:19.50 | CHodapp | Jani140: what |
| 22:19.51 | itchi | zamaliphe: Maybe /msg dpkg listkeys foo |
| 22:19.55 | aronofsky | CHodapp, is there a specific reason ? |
| 22:19.56 | Jani140 | CHodapp: bring it to me... |
| 22:20.26 | x_link | Hi |
| 22:20.27 | CHodapp | aronofsky: basically, ATI has not released specs that would enable an open source driver |
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| 22:20.39 | x_link | I have 4 SATA slots on my mobo... is it possible to use SATA2 drives on that? |
| 22:20.42 | x_link | Or must it be SATA? |
| 22:20.53 | zamaliphe | itchi: thanks that what i was looking for :) |
| 22:21.03 | CHodapp | Jani140: that'd be kinda difficult. But in my experience, just knowing people or being around an office will eventually lead you to some free hardware |
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| 22:21.29 | CHodapp | Jani140: as far as what you have, the RAM is the main limiting factor; I don't know if you can get by with less than 2 MB. |
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| 22:21.42 | aronofsky | CHodapp, will they soon or do they change their attitude about linux ? |
| 22:21.54 | itchi | zamaliphe: Look to /msg dpkg search also ;-) |
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| 22:22.07 | manup | hi! |
| 22:22.08 | CHodapp | aronofsky: I doubt it. |
| 22:23.03 | manup | i just updated to kernel 2.6.19.1. but on boot it tells me "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." i already updated udev with aptitude |
| 22:23.10 | manup | how do i fix? |
| 22:23.10 | CHodapp | aronofsky: Nvidia drivers are proprietary but much better; Intel chipsets have open source support |
| 22:23.11 | aronofsky | CHodapp, what do you doubt, that they will released specs soon ? |
| 22:23.39 | itchi | manup: Look to the /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab |
| 22:23.41 | CHodapp | aronofsky: yes... I doubt specs will ever be out. |
| 22:24.26 | manup | itchi, with kernel 2.6.17 it runs. fstab must be the same and menu.lst seems okay to me. |
| 22:24.34 | Jani140 | CHodapp: Yes, I know. But thaugt, i can turn that old box into an webserver for my weatherstation |
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| 22:24.46 | CHodapp | Jani140: I'd recommend Minix or something light like that. |
| 22:24.55 | itchi | nipra: The both config files are been right? |
| 22:24.59 | CHodapp | Jani140: you could use FreeDOS also but finding network drivers might be a pain. |
| 22:24.59 | itchi | oeps |
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| 22:25.07 | Artimus | I'm trying to boot debian on my laptop. I get what looks like a European Country's flag |
| 22:25.14 | Artimus | It's a bunch of colors and pretty lines |
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| 22:25.38 | Thms | Is there a way to have a global md5sum because the md5sum.txt include all rep and file and it take longer to do all that.. I just want the sum of the .iso |
| 22:25.55 | itchi | Artimus: Whe not have an such flag |
| 22:26.13 | Artimus | itchi: I mean the graphical installer isn't properly loading, it loads some pretty colors and stops |
| 22:26.17 | aronofsky | CHodapp, But if I get it right there are no Intel 3d cards for now , right ? |
| 22:26.24 | manup | itchi, the entrys are identical, only kernel-name and initrd differ |
| 22:26.36 | CHodapp | aronofsky: Intel motherboards have them onboard |
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| 22:26.42 | resistance | apache starts, then bitches about a bunch of files that a client is trying to access that arent' there, and then shutdown all in about 30 secs does anyone have any idea what could be wrong |
| 22:26.43 | itchi | Artimus: Look for a boot option |
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| 22:26.56 | Artimus | itchi: can you be more specific? |
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| 22:27.53 | itchi | Artimus: For my old laptop, i need to provide an boot param vga=771 |
| 22:27.58 | aronofsky | CHodapp, So the only 'real' solutions for a beryl user as I am are Nvidia recent card or buy a new Intel MotherBoard ... |
| 22:28.00 | manup | itchi, do i need the patch? |
| 22:28.08 | Artimus | itchi: oh, a vesa command, got ya |
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| 22:28.37 | itchi | Artimus: Because the screen flicker everytime and it's not possible to read on screen |
| 22:28.37 | CHodapp | aronofsky: I have used Beryl on a Radeon 9250 with open source drivers |
| 22:28.38 | CHodapp | aronofsky: Radeon 9200/9250 is still available - it's popular because it's passively-cooled and still supported by open source drivers |
| 22:28.57 | itchi | nipra: I dunno, is the module been loaded? Or what type of hdd and controler have you? Maybe the module is no more loaded? |
| 22:29.10 | manup | i just updated to kernel 2.6.19.1. but on boot it tells me "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." i already updated udev with aptitude |
| 22:29.21 | manup | how can i fix the problem? |
| 22:29.32 | itchi | manup: Sorry, i always shoot the bad nick :-) |
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| 22:30.03 | itchi | hhhm, my irssi nick name autocompletions is a bit weird now |
| 22:30.35 | manup | itchi, which module? |
| 22:30.41 | manup | itchi, how to chek? |
| 22:30.49 | itchi | manup: I dunno, depend of the stuff you have |
| 22:30.49 | aronofsky | CHodapp, Yeah I see, it seems A good alternative, Im stuck because I got a Geforce MX 440 and the current driver doesn't support that card anymore ... |
| 22:31.02 | CHodapp | aronofsky: can't you download older drivers? |
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| 22:31.32 | manup | i have a notebook, hp nx6325 with sata-device |
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| 22:31.56 | aronofsky | CHodapp, yeah thats what I do for now but i dont like tghe idea ... |
| 22:31.57 | Jani140 | CHodapp: Minix3 said it too. "Not enough memory to load image" |
| 22:32.10 | manup | itchi, i have a notebook, hp nx6325 with sata-device |
| 22:32.48 | CHodapp | Jani140: guess it's FreeDOS then. Or perhaps look around for RAM modules. |
| 22:33.05 | Jani140 | The only thing i can do with theese box is playing DigDogs... A DOS based driving simulator... |
| 22:33.13 | itchi | manup: Maybe paste the output of lspci? Or look on tuxmobile, linux on laptop, to get more info?? |
| 22:33.34 | relbs | is there an apt-cache command that searches for packages that provide a specific file? |
| 22:33.55 | manup | itchi, the thing is, that with the older kernel, everything works fine (besides my wlan. this is because i want to upgrate) |
| 22:34.02 | aronofsky | CHodapp, so just to know Radeon 9550 isn't fully supported by free driver ? |
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| 22:36.58 | CHodapp | aronofsky: correct. |
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| 22:37.33 | HULK | hi there, i have a problem. i have a notebook with an P75 MHz 80MB RAM 2MB Grafikkard 2GB HDD. i want to install an linux with GUI. some one gave me this link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
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| 22:38.47 | ofer0 | with GUI? are you crazy? |
| 22:38.53 | ofer0 | twm won't run well on it |
| 22:39.06 | itchi | HULK: (Maybe)Take an normal cd install; and not select a 'desktop enviroment' in the 'tasksel', just install what you need. See /msg dpkg install x to install the minimal stuff |
| 22:39.09 | HULK | what is with fluxbox? |
| 22:39.13 | pickcoder | manup: what version of Debian |
| 22:39.14 | rahul | win 95 won't run well on it |
| 22:39.25 | aronofsky | CHodapp, I thought a friend of mine got one and was running beryl+ aiglx+free ati driver wuthout particular problems, is it possible ? |
| 22:39.39 | HULK | at the moment i have a w2k installation with SP4 |
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| 22:39.46 | itchi | HULK: Look to install fluxbox or so |
| 22:40.44 | HULK | some one have experiance with DeLi or KNOPPIX / KANOTIX ??? |
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| 22:41.07 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: Supported for most use by r300 |
| 22:41.07 | itchi | HULK: You are on #debian ! |
| 22:41.11 | HULK | at my first i have install DSL but it is to minimal for me.... |
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| 22:41.34 | HULK | yes... but KNOPPIX and KANOTIX are based on Debian. |
| 22:41.38 | pickcoder | HULK: maybe you should ask #linux which distro and GUI would work best |
| 22:41.43 | valdyn | !based on |
| 22:41.43 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 22:41.55 | pickcoder | I know KDE will be slow as molasses on an 80MB system |
| 22:41.58 | ofer0 | heh |
| 22:41.59 | itchi | HULK: No worry, Debian should be perfect for your box |
| 22:42.03 | ofer0 | KNOPPIX, yeah, right |
| 22:42.12 | ofer0 | KDE won't be slow, it won't even start |
| 22:42.20 | itchi | HULK: My lowes comp have 32 MB and runs fluxbox :-) |
| 22:42.30 | pickcoder | ofer0: it'll run.. I've booted it with 64MB |
| 22:42.40 | pickcoder | 128 is a little better but stuff takes forever to load |
| 22:42.40 | ofer0 | pickcoder, me too. you call that running? |
| 22:42.48 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 22:42.49 | iLLf8d | buy somememory |
| 22:42.56 | aronofsky | h3sp4wn, but the following site : http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/radeon.4.html says 2d noly for r300 , so is it possible to run beryl+aiglx with that ? |
| 22:43.23 | HULK | itchi: yo... i tryed some distributions. but allway whit 600x400 screen. |
| 22:43.23 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: I have run it on a 9800pro all that documentation is very out of date |
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| 22:43.47 | valdyn | aronofsky: aiglx works ok software accelerated aswell, having 3D acceleration is not required |
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| 22:44.05 | HULK | is there a Debian version for 386 CPU's ??? |
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| 22:44.11 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 22:44.11 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 22:44.20 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: If you look in the 7.0 release notes then even then there was support for upto 9600pro - it got alot better with 7.1 |
| 22:44.21 | abrotman | !de |
| 22:44.22 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 22:44.31 | manup | pickcoder, newest. i just dl and installt hours (!) ago. Debian etch and i try to upgrade to kernel 2.4.19 |
| 22:44.35 | manup | pickcoder, newest. i just dl and installt hours (!) ago. Debian etch and i try to upgrade to kernel 2.6.19 |
| 22:44.35 | valdyn | HULK: no there isn't, but you seem to have a p75, debian runs on that |
| 22:44.46 | phretor | hi thre, could anyone please explain me why udev does not create /dev/video0? here there are details: http://rafb.net/p/xxSReF63.html |
| 22:44.46 | pickcoder | manup: where did you get the 2.6.19 kernel package? |
| 22:45.00 | CHodapp | h3sp4wn: whoa, what? |
| 22:45.05 | manup | kernel.org |
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| 22:45.12 | manup | pickcoder, kernel.org |
| 22:45.24 | CHodapp | h3sp4wn: is this from reverse-engineering work and stuff? |
| 22:45.25 | itchi | HULK: Runs 800x600, he not want more |
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| 22:45.33 | aronofsky | valdyn, when you soft accel it means no DRI, right ? |
| 22:45.36 | abrotman | #kernel is there for a reason |
| 22:45.57 | pickcoder | manup: did you use make-kpkg to build a kernel and initial ram fs? |
| 22:46.05 | manup | pickcoder, yes |
| 22:46.11 | abrotman | if your stuff worked with the old kernel .. then use it |
| 22:46.21 | HULK | sorry, but on #debian.de is no body who gave me an answer. sorry for my bad english. yes i try debian thank you... |
| 22:46.29 | h3sp4wn | CHodapp: Yes - I know with 7.0 it was almost working (worked for 20 seconds) and then with 7.1 it worked fine (since junked the card though for other reasons) |
| 22:46.30 | manup | abrotman, but my wlan didn't work. |
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| 22:46.42 | abrotman | manup: which chipset does it use ? |
| 22:47.04 | blondie | !irssi |
| 22:47.04 | dpkg | from memory, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
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| 22:47.54 | manup | abrotman, it uses the bcm43xx chipset which i could get run with ndiswrapper - but i don t want to |
| 22:48.03 | Mole | how do i change my systems language from french to english? tried with dpkg-reconfigure locales but it doesnt work :( |
| 22:48.24 | abrotman | !bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 22:48.24 | abrotman | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 22:48.25 | valdyn | Mole: because you didnt log out and back in? |
| 22:48.39 | blondie | azeem: have you come to sort out them spammers? :D |
| 22:48.41 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-1 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 22:48.43 | Mole | valdyn : nah tried that too |
| 22:48.46 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: Does work with dri - you need the no offscreen pixmaps xorg.conf option |
| 22:49.21 | manup | abrotman, i installt the bcm43xx-fwcutter, but i dont get an interface! |
| 22:49.32 | valdyn | Mole: i doubt its broken just for you, tell exactly what you are doing and paste the output of 'locale' ( dont paste here, use a paste site ) |
| 22:49.32 | pickcoder | Mole: what does env say about LANG |
| 22:49.37 | pickcoder | and LANGUAGE |
| 22:50.02 | aronofsky | h3sp4wn, yeah but i was wondering what he was meaning by " aiglx works ok software accelerated aswell, having 3D acceleration is not required" ... ? |
| 22:50.09 | abrotman | manup: read the docs for it .. tells you how to make it work |
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| 22:50.54 | manup | abrotman, which docs? |
| 22:51.03 | pickcoder | also.. check out /etc/default/locale |
| 22:51.10 | valdyn | aronofsky: im correcting myself: Xgl defenitely works software accelerated, i haven't tried aiglx, yes software accelerated means no DRI |
| 22:51.27 | pickcoder | if it's not english, then the locales were not updated |
| 22:51.30 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: It was working properly (hardware accelerated) |
| 22:51.49 | abrotman | manup: /usr/share/doc/bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 22:52.07 | abrotman | manup: might require you to use the debian kernel .. unsure |
| 22:52.13 | Mole | pickcoder / valdyn : someone set french language in /etc/environment so...commented out and now it works..thx ;) |
| 22:52.15 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: For at least me and Kano (from #kanotix) and others |
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| 22:52.46 | pickcoder | oh yeah... I r emember having to change that on my dedibox |
| 22:52.59 | manup | abrotman, ill read |
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| 22:53.13 | aronofsky | valdyn, h3sp4wn , I think XGL works software accelerated but its must not be rthe case of AIGLX, can anyone confirm that ? |
| 22:53.26 | abrotman | tried asking #xorg ? |
| 22:53.28 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: I am not talking about xgl - xgl is not in debian |
| 22:54.11 | x_link | If I highlight the trash can icon on my desktop and delete it. Is it possible to for then to add it back if I would regret it? |
| 22:54.12 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: did you previously use fglrx ? |
| 22:54.28 | aronofsky | h3sp4wn, i tried it , yes |
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| 22:54.57 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: dpkg-divert --list | grep fglrx |
| 22:55.17 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: if the libgl stuff is still diverted you would not get dri - you may have to reinstall mesa |
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| 22:55.35 | franc | how can I enable syntax highlighting automatically on vim if I don't have access to /etc/ ? |
| 22:55.46 | franc | tried creating a ~/.vimrc but no luck |
| 22:55.50 | aronofsky | h3sp4wn, ok will check that, thx |
| 22:56.09 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 22:56.15 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: also try using Driver "radeon" instead of Driver "ati" (I think that forces r300 to be used) |
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| 22:56.47 | h3sp4wn | aronofsky: (seen as it doesn't have xrender support it is still considered incomplete) |
| 22:56.50 | manup | abrotman, the given information is not useful. |
| 22:56.53 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: it's supposed to figure it out |
| 22:56.55 | abrotman | manup: why not ? |
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| 22:57.06 | relbs | is there an apt command to search for which (possibly not installed) packages provide a specific file? |
| 22:57.23 | pickcoder | !apt-file |
| 22:57.23 | dpkg | from memory, apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 22:57.24 | manup | abrotman, because i did whats written before and now again. i dont get a new interface. |
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| 22:57.25 | abrotman | manup: it should ask you when you install it to fetch/install the firware ? |
| 22:57.28 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: It does for r200 etc but it doesn't risk it with r300 (unless it has recently changed) |
| 22:57.34 | seb- | abrotman: should i use mod_ssl or apache-ssl? |
| 22:57.34 | abrotman | manup: is the bcm43xx module loaded ? |
| 22:57.41 | abrotman | seb-: that's up to you |
| 22:57.51 | seb- | abrotman: which do you think is better? |
| 22:57.58 | abrotman | depends on the needs |
| 22:57.59 | manup | abrotman, of course. |
| 22:58.09 | abrotman | manup: any hints in dmesg ? |
| 22:58.11 | seb- | abrotman: what needs does each serve best? |
| 22:58.31 | relbs | pickcoder: thanks! |
| 22:58.37 | abrotman | if you have ssl only .. the latter is probably a better choice |
| 22:58.51 | abrotman | manup: is your device even listed on the support site ? |
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| 22:58.55 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: ah ok |
| 22:59.12 | seb- | abrotman: what do you mean 'ssl only' ? |
| 22:59.18 | abrotman | https only |
| 22:59.22 | manup | abrotman, which supported site? (sorry, i am relatively new to linux) |
| 22:59.26 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 22:59.27 | dpkg | hmm... bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
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| 22:59.29 | seb- | abrotman: what else is there? |
| 22:59.40 | abrotman | seb-: running http and https from the same apache |
| 22:59.42 | mptech | The smaller the DPI the smaller everything is right? |
| 22:59.54 | abrotman | well .. that site worked the other day :) |
| 22:59.57 | valdyn | mptech: no, its vice versa |
| 22:59.58 | seb- | abrotman: oh yes I WANT to run http and https from same apache...is that bad? |
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| 23:00.11 | abrotman | seb-: no .. use modssl |
| 23:00.18 | mptech | valdyn, so if I want everything really small I need to raise the DPI? |
| 23:00.23 | manup | abrotman, because newer kernels support bcm43xx, i want to upgrade. |
| 23:00.39 | valdyn | mptech: no, your dpi should reflect the real stats of your display |
| 23:00.48 | abrotman | manup: yes .. but it still might support your device at all |
| 23:00.50 | pickcoder | manup: based on dpkg's factoid it's in the current 2.6.17 and therefore also in 2.6.18 |
| 23:01.01 | mptech | valdyn, and how would I go about calculating the ideal DPI? |
| 23:01.09 | pickcoder | so if it's not working then maybe your chipset is newer and not supported |
| 23:01.10 | abrotman | pickcoder: it is .. i have it on my mini |
| 23:01.12 | valdyn | mptech: its _real_ dpi, not 'ideal' |
| 23:01.14 | pickcoder | or it's mosconfigured |
| 23:01.18 | pickcoder | s/mos/mis |
| 23:01.21 | lindenle | join #hermes |
| 23:01.23 | abrotman | mostyped ? :) |
| 23:01.31 | valdyn | mptech: you take a ruler and a calculator and measure your display |
| 23:01.37 | pickcoder | lindenle: don't advertise |
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| 23:01.49 | mptech | valdyn, and then... |
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| 23:01.58 | lindenle | pickcoder: Accident |
| 23:02.06 | valdyn | mptech: then what? do some primary school calculation? |
| 23:02.10 | lindenle | pickcoder:sorry ;) |
| 23:02.10 | manup | but i have (running) only the 2.6.17-2 |
| 23:02.12 | mptech | heh |
| 23:02.16 | manup | abrotman, but i have (running) only the 2.6.17-2 |
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| 23:02.18 | pickcoder | manup: paste your lspci output to a pastebin |
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| 23:02.22 | abrotman | manup: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 23:02.23 | pickcoder | lindenle: no prob |
| 23:02.32 | valdyn | !dpi |
| 23:02.32 | abrotman | manup: lspci and lspci -n |
| 23:02.33 | dpkg | [dpi] your Dots Per Inch setting, which affects the size of your fonts. Remove any explicit DPI settings in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc or your display manager's configuration file, and X should autodetect your DPI. If not, add DisplaySize Width_in_milimeters Height_in_millimeters to Section "Monitor" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
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| 23:02.53 | luke__ | I had vlc installed in /usr/local/bin .. I've removed the binary, but now when I type vlc, it still tries to start vlc from /usr/local/bin |
| 23:03.04 | luke__ | is there an index or something that I have to regen? |
| 23:03.04 | manup | pickcoder, how does pastebin work? |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | luke__: ls -l `which vlc` |
| 23:03.18 | streuner_ | !pastebin |
| 23:03.19 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:03.19 | pickcoder | manup: website you paste text on and it gives a link for us to view |
| 23:03.35 | valdyn | luke__: relogin or open a new shell or somesuch, i dont know how to refresh that cache of bash |
| 23:04.14 | luke__ | looks like an updatedb fixed it |
| 23:04.18 | manup | http://pastebin.com/846758 |
| 23:04.31 | manup | pickcoder, abrotman http://pastebin.com/846758 |
| 23:04.36 | abrotman | stop using pastebin.com! |
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| 23:04.52 | abrotman | lspci -n might be helpful too |
| 23:05.03 | pickcoder | looks like a 4310 |
| 23:05.03 | anurag_ | what drivers has to install for nvidia gf 2 400 mx, or i 've to compile a new kernel from nvidia driver |
| 23:05.05 | manup | abrotman, what instead? |
| 23:05.19 | abrotman | manup: lspci -n |
| 23:05.19 | pickcoder | manup: pastebin.ca is faster and doesn't die randomly |
| 23:05.26 | Danamania | I thought of this channel when I saw someone on another irc network say Debian was based on Ubuntu. That made me chuckle. |
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| 23:06.06 | karsten | Danamania: Feh! |
| 23:06.52 | manup | abrotman, pickcoder http://pastebin.ca/294929 |
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| 23:08.00 | anurag_ | which drives i should use for nvidia geforce2? legacy or current. |
| 23:08.01 | abrotman | i don't see your device int eh supported list |
| 23:08.18 | anurag_ | Is it possible to test current drivers for older cards? |
| 23:08.49 | Jani140 | CHodapp: Thanks for the tip. It wont work yet. I will put theese boxes now into my dumpster so that you have anything to look for. :-) |
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| 23:08.53 | manup | abrotman, on kubuntu it worked fine. |
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| 23:12.53 | pickcoder | looks like both of the bcm sites are dead |
| 23:13.22 | pickcoder | manup: maybe it was using ndiswrapper? |
| 23:13.45 | pickcoder | I don't see 4318 listed anywhere as verified |
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| 23:15.08 | manup | pickcoder, no it was not. i installed manually. the package-name was like bcm43xx-fwcutter... i think without fwcutter. but i dont find the file |
| 23:15.41 | pickcoder | 4319 and 4311 both work |
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| 23:17.23 | Mr_Molez | hey i get error /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11 |
| 23:17.30 | Mr_Molez | what package provides that ? |
| 23:17.32 | Mr_Molez | does anyone know ? |
| 23:18.01 | abrotman | x-dev |
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| 23:18.16 | manup | pickcoder, i would be happy, if my new kernel would boot correctly |
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| 23:18.24 | pickcoder | manup: what is the error |
| 23:18.41 | abrotman | !find bcm43xx etch |
| 23:18.43 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-1 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 23:18.44 | Pc_Dark | how do i enable others to be able to access /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 23:18.51 | Pc_Dark | because their apt-get won't work |
| 23:18.58 | manup | pickcoder, on start: "Begin: Waiting for root file system... ..." |
| 23:19.13 | Pc_Dark | pcdark@indigo:~$ apt-get -d install openssl |
| 23:19.14 | Pc_Dark | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) |
| 23:19.14 | Pc_Dark | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 23:19.14 | Pc_Dark | p |
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| 23:19.29 | Pc_Dark | can someone help |
| 23:19.30 | seb- | help! i activated mod_ssl in apache2 w/o error message appearing but still nothing listening on port 443? how debug? |
| 23:19.53 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: only root should have access to the dpkg lock file |
| 23:19.55 | itchi | Pc_Dark: As root user |
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| 23:20.05 | pickcoder | seb-: you have to configure an ssl virtual host |
| 23:20.07 | Pc_Dark | so no-one else can use it? |
| 23:20.39 | itchi | Pc_Dark: You can only look it once a time, no 2 progs can access it at the same time |
| 23:20.44 | seb- | pickcoder: i did...must you do something special to start mod_ssl? apachectl or something? |
| 23:21.14 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: dpkg configures your system.. do you really want normal users having access to hack up dpkg? |
| 23:21.14 | Pc_Dark | I want 1 user |
| 23:21.14 | Pc_Dark | I'm sharing it with a friend |
| 23:21.14 | Pc_Dark | the cost of the dedi |
| 23:21.14 | pickcoder | seb-: a2enmod ssl |
| 23:21.14 | Pc_Dark | and we both want different accounts |
| 23:21.15 | Pc_Dark | you see? |
| 23:21.17 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: give them sudo access to apt and dpkg |
| 23:21.24 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 23:21.31 | seb- | pickcoder: sorry didn't follow that? ...i'm using mod_ssl yes |
| 23:21.38 | pickcoder | seb-: type a2enmod ssl |
| 23:21.45 | Pc_Dark | what do I type |
| 23:21.48 | Pc_Dark | I have sudo installed |
| 23:21.55 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: man sudoers |
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| 23:22.09 | Pc_Dark | ? |
| 23:22.16 | Pc_Dark | thats all? |
| 23:22.21 | seb- | pickcoder: says: This module is already enabled! |
| 23:22.22 | Pc_Dark | i'm new to linux |
| 23:22.34 | lindenle | Ok so I have blootbot up and running but the one last little feature i would like to work is the seen command and I cannot for the life of me figure out why it is not working...can anyone help? |
| 23:22.41 | manup | no idea? |
| 23:22.42 | pickcoder | seb-: ok.. if you have a virtualhost configure for port 443 then it should be listening, if you restart apache2 |
| 23:22.42 | itchi | Pc_Dark: To GNU/Linux ;-) |
| 23:22.55 | Pc_Dark | is that all i type pickcoder? |
| 23:23.11 | Pc_Dark | just "man sudoer" |
| 23:23.11 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: you need to read that man page and understand it before you start giving people root access |
| 23:23.16 | Mr_Molez | i assume -1X11 is X ,, i have tried installing all that i can see that maybe devs, but still they are showing as not found |
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| 23:24.25 | seb- | pickcoder: do you mind peeking at my virtualhost stuff?...i pasted it here.. http://pastebin.com/846766 |
| 23:24.29 | abrotman | x-dev |
| 23:24.31 | seb- | pickcoder: (i'm new to this) |
| 23:24.43 | itchi | Pc_Dark: Try it out |
| 23:24.54 | Pc_Dark | ... |
| 23:24.55 | Pc_Dark | ugh |
| 23:24.58 | Mr_Molez | abrotman: tried that :P |
| 23:25.03 | Pc_Dark | I just need to get my friend root and apt-get power |
| 23:25.06 | itchi | Pc_Dark: man sudoers and man sudo |
| 23:25.07 | pickcoder | seb-: look at your apache2 logs for error messages |
| 23:25.12 | abrotman | x11-dev ? |
| 23:25.22 | Mr_Molez | doesn't exist |
| 23:25.41 | seb- | pickcoder: /var/log/apache2/error.log tail looks clean |
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| 23:25.59 | pickcoder | seb-: netstat -a | less doesn't show https or 443? |
| 23:26.08 | seb- | pickcoder: no :( |
| 23:26.09 | abrotman | libx11-dev |
| 23:26.26 | Mr_Molez | already tried that :P |
| 23:26.32 | pickcoder | seb-: is that config file symlinked to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 23:26.40 | abrotman | that'swhat it should be |
| 23:26.45 | Mr_Molez | :( |
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| 23:27.02 | Pc_Dark | can someone just tell me |
| 23:27.04 | Pc_Dark | I have sudo root |
| 23:27.12 | Pc_Dark | what do i type to make a user ben |
| 23:27.15 | Pc_Dark | with root and full access |
| 23:27.17 | seb- | pickcoder: i just added that config to end of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 23:27.23 | pickcoder | seb-: don't do that |
| 23:27.33 | seb- | pickcoder: it is cheesy but it should work |
| 23:27.37 | pickcoder | seb-: edit the default file |
| 23:27.50 | loopdee | I'm trying to get either aiglx or xgl working with etch and ati using the drivers from non free rpo, im wondering.. aiglx is not compatible with fglrx? and should xgl work fine ? |
| 23:27.55 | seb- | pickcoder: actually it *does* work for other virtualhost stuff i got....only fails for this https one |
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| 23:28.20 | pickcoder | seb-: I know it "works", but that's not how you configure apache2 |
| 23:28.21 | itchi | Pc_Dark: Read the man pages, like your on the way to break everythings |
| 23:28.31 | Pc_Dark | Ugh |
| 23:28.51 | Pc_Dark | My friends getting mad ;( |
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| 23:28.53 | seb- | pickcoder: i agree.....i'm still confused why mod_ssl isn't starting a listener on 443 |
| 23:29.21 | pickcoder | seb-: uncomment the port 80 host |
| 23:29.24 | itchi | Pc_Dark: Have patience and you will be good :-) |
| 23:29.35 | Pc_Dark | ;( |
| 23:29.40 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: look at the /etc/sudoers file |
| 23:29.57 | h3sp4wn | Pc_Dark: edit it with visudo (not directly) |
| 23:30.03 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: if you don't care about security you can give him full access by copying the root entry.. |
| 23:30.07 | pickcoder | but I never said that |
| 23:30.30 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 23:30.42 | pickcoder | in other words you're an idiot if you actually do that |
| 23:30.44 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:30.53 | Pc_Dark | why |
| 23:30.55 | seb- | pickcoder: that's a good idea...just a sec |
| 23:31.13 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: do you _really_ trust that user? |
| 23:31.23 | Pc_Dark | yes |
| 23:31.27 | pickcoder | ok.. it's your box |
| 23:31.27 | Pc_Dark | He's my best friend IRL |
| 23:31.37 | pickcoder | still... READ the man page for sudoers |
| 23:31.39 | pickcoder | and sudo |
| 23:31.41 | Pc_Dark | k.. |
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| 23:32.07 | margiolas | Is squid good for anonymity on net? |
| 23:32.20 | pickcoder | squid is good deep fried with some honey mustard |
| 23:32.26 | pickcoder | mm |
| 23:32.45 | seb- | pickcoder: uncommented port 80 stuff and still no listener on 443 |
| 23:32.53 | pickcoder | seb-: is 80 listening |
| 23:32.56 | pickcoder | brb |
| 23:33.21 | itchi | seb-: Wait, stop the apache server, and start it, not restart |
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| 23:33.42 | margiolas | Is squid good for anonymity on net? |
| 23:34.19 | seb- | pickcoder: :80 still listening even after i turned off all port80 virtual hosts |
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| 23:34.43 | itchi | seb-: Have you try to stop the server and restart it, without using the restart arg? |
| 23:34.59 | itchi | seb-: Sory, s/and restart/and start/ |
| 23:35.00 | seb- | yes |
| 23:35.21 | itchi | hhmm |
| 23:35.28 | itchi | I dunno then |
| 23:36.37 | pickcoder | seb-: make sure apache (1.3) isn't running |
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| 23:36.45 | pickcoder | seb-: /etc/init.d/apache stop |
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| 23:37.27 | seb- | pickcoder: only apache2....it listens on port80 even w/o virtual hosts |
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| 23:39.43 | pickcoder | seb-: did you disable the default config in /etc/apache2/sites-available |
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| 23:40.28 | pickcoder | seb-: I found it easiest to put http and https in 2 different configs under sites-available |
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| 23:42.47 | seb- | pickcoder: ug.. |
| 23:42.47 | seb- | pickcoder: could that default config mess things up? |
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| 23:42.52 | pickcoder | seb-: yes.. thus why you should use the apache2 config style |
| 23:43.38 | seb- | pickcoder: so erase the soft link in sites-enabled? |
| 23:43.49 | pickcoder | seb-: a2dissite |
| 23:44.10 | pickcoder | a2ensite enables sites |
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| 23:44.26 | pickcoder | or you can just remove the symlink |
| 23:45.10 | seb- | pickcoder: ok just a sec..i'll do it your way and move all the crud out of apache2.conf into sites-* dir |
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| 23:45.54 | n3kl_ | sudo eth1 down |
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| 23:46.43 | seb- | pickcoder: if this works it will be a painful lesson in not doing things the wrong way :) |
| 23:47.28 | pickcoder | well.. it's not really a "wrong" way.. the only difference with 2 is that the mods-enabled and sites-enabled are included in apache2.conf |
| 23:47.39 | pickcoder | makes configuration and management easier and cleaner |
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| 23:49.50 | Pc_Dark | whats the apt-get for mysql |
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| 23:50.13 | Pc_Dark | and how do i upgrade to php5 |
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| 23:50.22 | blondie | Pc_Dark: apt-cache search. and what version of debian? |
| 23:50.27 | pickcoder | !mysql |
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| 23:50.28 | dpkg | somebody said mysql was A fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It supports a wide range of advanced functionality such as views, transaction support, recovery functionality etc. It is the worlds most popular open source database. The database is packed as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Futher information can be found at http://mysql.com and #mysql. |
| 23:50.34 | Pc_Dark | i think its latest |
| 23:50.38 | Pc_Dark | oh ok |
| 23:50.39 | pickcoder | !php5 sarge |
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| 23:50.55 | pickcoder | php5 is only in Etch I think |
| 23:51.00 | pickcoder | !php5 etch |
| 23:51.00 | blondie | Pc_Dark: the latest what? |
| 23:51.03 | seb- | pickcoder: sorry...still no listener on 443 |
| 23:51.03 | pickcoder | !php5 |
| 23:51.03 | dpkg | php5 is, like, in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about <bpo> |
| 23:51.16 | Pc_Dark | debian |
| 23:51.20 | Pc_Dark | sql installed |
| 23:51.38 | blondie | I meant, the latest *release* or testing |
| 23:51.42 | pickcoder | seb-: lemme look at my config |
| 23:51.59 | Pc_Dark | how do you apt-get php5 |
| 23:52.05 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 23:52.05 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 23:52.19 | pickcoder | seb-: add Listen 443 in your ssl config file |
| 23:52.19 | blondie | Pc_Dark: still need to know what version of debian you have. what does it say in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:52.27 | Pc_Dark | ok |
| 23:52.33 | Pc_Dark | how do i get version |
| 23:52.38 | seb- | pickcoder: ok...that sounds promising :) |
| 23:52.42 | blondie | does it say stable or sarge in there? |
| 23:52.47 | blondie | or does it say etch or testing? |
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| 23:52.54 | pickcoder | I always forget that Apache only listens on 80 by default |
| 23:52.55 | Pc_Dark | it's Debian Stable |
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| 23:53.00 | blondie | right |
| 23:53.14 | blondie | see the backports thing above then |
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| 23:53.31 | Pc_Dark | blondie |
| 23:53.33 | Pc_Dark | what do i do |
| 23:53.37 | Pc_Dark | to install php5 |
| 23:53.43 | blondie | jeez |
| 23:53.46 | blondie | read what dpkg said. |
| 23:53.54 | seb- | pickcoder: i grepped for Listen and noticed the only Listen command is in |
| 23:53.59 | Pc_Dark | ok... |
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| 23:54.02 | seb- | pickcoder: /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
| 23:54.03 | MatBoy | has someone experienced some slow datatransfer with Intel(R) PRO/1000 onboard nics ? |
| 23:54.10 | seb- | pickcoder: should i add it there? |
| 23:54.13 | pickcoder | seb-: add it to your ssl config |
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| 23:54.22 | pickcoder | seb-: before NameVirtualHost |
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| 23:54.45 | pickcoder | so if you need to disable ssl, it will turn off listening for 443 |
| 23:54.48 | Pc_Dark | whats the apt-get for a ftpd |
| 23:54.53 | blondie | you don't want ftp |
| 23:54.54 | blondie | !ftp |
| 23:54.55 | dpkg | ftp is probably (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 23:55.02 | blondie | and please look into "apt-cache search" |
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| 23:55.37 | Pc_Dark | installed pureftpd |
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| 23:56.36 | pickcoder | MatBoy: if it's running @ 1000 or 100 and your wiring isn't compliant it can cause errors and kill throughput |
| 23:56.43 | seb- | pickcoder: IT WORKED!!!! i can't thank you enough |
| 23:56.51 | pickcoder | MatBoy: look at retransmits and/or collisions |
| 23:57.03 | Pc_Dark | um |
| 23:57.03 | MatBoy | pickcoder, it's running @ 1000 with Cat6 connected to a Foundry |
| 23:57.05 | Pc_Dark | php5 isn't on apt-get |
| 23:57.08 | seb- | pickcoder: i'm confused why activating the ssl mod didn't automagically avoid this pain however |
| 23:57.10 | Pc_Dark | so how do i install it |
| 23:57.11 | MatBoy | pickcoder, none |
| 23:57.13 | Pc_Dark | what do i wget |
| 23:57.17 | Pc_Dark | because php.net doesn't have it |
| 23:57.25 | seb- | pickcoder: obviously if you enable ssl you WANT 'Listen 443' |
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| 23:57.46 | seb- | pickcoder: thanks...that's really great |
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| 23:57.48 | MatBoy | pickcoder, it's a P4SCi of supermicro. To the same switch connected are also P8SCT boards and they are fast, they have other nics |
| 23:57.58 | pickcoder | seb-: I dunno.. I would think that default and default_ssl would be created |
| 23:58.02 | pickcoder | if you install mod_ssl |
| 23:58.09 | pickcoder | but it doesn't |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | i think apache2 in etch has mod_ssl in the main package now |
| 23:58.31 | pickcoder | MatBoy: then it may be a driver issue.. did you search the bts for issues with your driver? |
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| 23:58.36 | seb- | pickcoder: regardless thanks....your help was a real gift |
| 23:58.51 | MatBoy | pickcoder, I'm googeling. |
| 23:58.58 | seb- | abrotman: it does...but you don't get "Listen 443" for free |
| 23:59.01 | MatBoy | But it's on Debian as CentOS as well |
| 23:59.06 | abrotman | seb-: which is good .. |
| 23:59.09 | pickcoder | seb-: weclome |
| 23:59.26 | seb- | abrotman: well if you enable ssl don't you want "Listen 443" to happen automagically? |
| 23:59.37 | pickcoder | abrotman: the apache 1.3 packages configured ssl automatically |
| 23:59.50 | pickcoder | for some reason 2 doesn't |
