| 00:00.09 | pickcoder | it even builds the certs on 2, but doesn't update the ports.conf |
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| 00:00.19 | pickcoder | even though I think it should be in the sites config |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | seb-: it's supposed to copy the conf to enable it .. IIRC .. there was a bug about that a while ago |
| 00:00.21 | Pc_Dark | where is apaches public_html |
| 00:00.29 | abrotman | look in the apache conf file |
| 00:00.40 | pickcoder | abrotman: ?? |
| 00:01.01 | abrotman | what? |
| 00:01.08 | pickcoder | apache conf file? |
| 00:01.19 | seb- | abrotman: no Listen 443 in apache2.conf either |
| 00:02.15 | abrotman | seb-: it's in another conf file |
| 00:02.15 | pickcoder | Listen statements go in ports.conf by default |
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| 00:02.16 | pickcoder | but mod_ssl doesn't add it |
| 00:02.16 | Pc_Dark | i cant find my www / public_html dir :( |
| 00:02.23 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: you have to create it |
| 00:02.31 | Pc_Dark | where is it by default |
| 00:02.38 | pickcoder | Pc_Dark: your home dir |
| 00:02.46 | Pc_Dark | in /apache2 ? |
| 00:02.50 | pickcoder | gah |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | <IfModule mod_ssl.c> |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | Listen 443 |
| 00:02.59 | abrotman | </IfModule> |
| 00:03.03 | pickcoder | I'm going home before I shoot someone |
| 00:03.06 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 00:03.09 | Pc_Dark | ugh |
| 00:03.23 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: read the apache conf file .. it will tell you where it is |
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| 00:04.03 | Pc_Dark | I apt-get'd it |
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| 00:04.20 | Pc_Dark | it's /etc/apache2 right? |
| 00:04.27 | abrotman | check and see |
| 00:04.45 | Pc_Dark | httpd.conf ? |
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| 00:06.18 | zamaliphe | i have this error error in xorg.config ( Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm ) how to fix it ? |
| 00:06.53 | Pc_Dark | it's /var/www/ |
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| 00:11.12 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:11.12 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:12.41 | enouf | qotd0 |
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| 00:12.49 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 00:13.02 | enouf | slaps dpkg |
| 00:13.31 | enouf | !qotd127 |
| 00:13.31 | dpkg | methinks qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
| 00:13.31 | enouf | hehe |
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| 00:16.44 | resistance | how do i give a user full access to the file system in debian |
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| 00:17.37 | blondie | resistance: by giving them the root password? (is that wise) |
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| 00:17.56 | lurker99 | resistance: give em sudo ... RTFM man sudo |
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| 00:18.53 | _villain | hi, is there something in the works to get snort updated to the latest version in apt-get? |
| 00:19.03 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 00:19.03 | resistance | here is the situation, i have my own user, and i would like to be able to do stuff in the file system without having to screw around with the permissions everytime, any suggestions |
| 00:19.03 | dpkg | well, volatile is debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.net/ |
| 00:19.06 | abrotman | !backports |
| 00:19.06 | dpkg | somebody said backports was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 00:19.19 | blondie | resistance: su(do) |
| 00:19.55 | resistance | sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0775, should be 0440 |
| 00:19.55 | resistance | \ |
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| 00:21.21 | eeyore- | howdy people |
| 00:21.45 | HymnToLife | resistance, chmod it to 0440 then |
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| 00:21.50 | Arafangio1 | Where should I note that libnet-dns-perl is not a dependency of spamassassin even though sa-update requires it? |
| 00:22.09 | abrotman | HymnToLife: you should NEVER do that |
| 00:22.30 | HymnToLife | why not ? |
| 00:22.47 | abrotman | unless he changed it to begin with .. in which case .. he should get caps thrown at him :) |
| 00:23.13 | HymnToLife | if it's supposed to be 0440 and it's not, I don't see any other thing to do |
| 00:23.15 | streuner_ | eeyore-: hi |
| 00:23.16 | ofer0 | /etc/sudoers should be chowned root:root, chmoded 04400 |
| 00:23.18 | ofer0 | /etc/sudoers should be chowned root:root, chmoded 0440 |
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| 00:24.41 | h3sp4wn | should be no need to ever change it if you edit with visudo |
| 00:25.06 | abrotman | or you run everything as root! :) |
| 00:25.32 | lurker99 | woot ? |
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| 00:26.21 | Arafangio1 | If there is any confusion with octal permissions, one should use new-style permissions, such a+rw,o+rwx, etc |
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| 00:27.43 | abrotman | new style .. hehe |
| 00:28.37 | Arafangio1 | abrotman: Shut up :) |
| 00:29.20 | eeyore- | so, did you guys hear about aacs story on /. ? |
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| 00:30.15 | eeyore- | "new style"? *new*?!? |
| 00:30.33 | eeyore- | hey abrotman |
| 00:30.36 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:30.48 | abrotman | gotta wait for eeyore- to catch up :) |
| 00:30.54 | Arafangio1 | eeyore-: SHUT UP! :) |
| 00:30.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm leaving next friday, i'm psyched |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | the aacs ? |
| 00:31.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: for good ? |
| 00:31.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: content protection for hd-dvd and blu-ray |
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| 00:31.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: oh .. saw that .. seems to be unclear if it is actually cracked |
| 00:31.33 | eeyore- | abrotman: hope so, but in reality i might have to come back every now and then, maybe once |
| 00:31.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: don't you have to train someone ? |
| 00:31.55 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, as long as you can get the key, i don't see why it wouldn't be considered "cracked" |
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| 00:32.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: someone mentioned those keys aren't the real issue |
| 00:32.10 | eeyore- | abrotman: yeah, but it's just as easy for that someone to fly to NC :-) |
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| 00:32.15 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 00:32.55 | abrotman | eeyore-: admittedly .. i didn't follow the encryption system they used that closely |
| 00:33.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: looks to be AES |
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| 00:33.30 | n0dalus | how do I temporarily enable the unstable apt repository? |
| 00:33.36 | abrotman | guess we'll see if the RIAA freaks out .. then you know it's for real |
| 00:33.37 | abrotman | n0dalus: why? |
| 00:33.38 | Arafangio1 | In this case, people /already/ know what the content is. |
| 00:34.16 | n0dalus | abrotman: I want to install something from it, but don't want to be updating from it |
| 00:34.24 | abrotman | !tell n0dalus about pinning |
| 00:34.52 | eeyore- | Arafangio1: well, i don't know about you but many movies i buy i haven't already seen it ;-) |
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| 00:35.11 | n0dalus | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:36.00 | zamaliphe | i have this error error in xorg.config ( Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm ) how to fix it ? |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | !find server-0.xkm etch |
| 00:36.41 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'server-0.xkm' returned no results. |
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| 00:37.09 | _villain | !find snort etch |
| 00:37.11 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'snort' (7): airsnort ;; snort ;; snort-common ;; snort-doc ;; snort-mysql ;; snort-pgsql ;; snort-rules-default. |
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| 00:37.59 | Arafangio1 | arafangion@debian:~$ apt-file search server | grep xkm |
| 00:37.59 | Arafangio1 | libxmlsec1-dev: usr/share/doc/libxmlsec1-dev/examples/xkms-server.c |
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| 00:47.11 | mzilikazi | so the 2.6.19 kernel README says: Do NOT use the /usr/src/linux area! and yet installing a debian kernel source puts it in /usr/src - furthermore the README says "This area has a (usually |
| 00:47.11 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.11 | mzilikazi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:48.04 | sdubois92 | I need some help setting up my sound card |
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| 00:48.55 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 00:48.56 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 00:49.09 | dylan` | How do I get a Debian Sarge installation to automount my devices? |
| 00:49.27 | dylan` | I'm running in text mode, btw. |
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| 00:49.48 | parsonsd | weird -- i no longer have sound! i created an .xinitrc to load enlightenment instead of gdm and now, no sound. |
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| 00:50.12 | streuner_ | !esd |
| 00:50.12 | dpkg | well, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
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| 00:50.41 | streuner_ | parsonsd: does the system use ESD NOW? |
| 00:51.22 | tuv | that esd factoid is useless. zero information |
| 00:51.42 | mzilikazi | enhanced segfault daemon...hehe |
| 00:51.53 | streuner_ | it says that ESD is crap, isn't that enough? ;-) |
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| 00:52.23 | parsonsd | streuner_: not that i know of --` ps -ef | grep esd` shows nothing about esd |
| 00:52.35 | dylan` | how do i easily mount devices in debian gnu/linux? |
| 00:52.38 | sdubois92 | i installed alsa base and alsa utils, now i do alsamixer and it sais function snd_ctl_open failr for default no such device. I know i had this problem before in ubuntu, i forgot how to fix it. My device is a cs4235 |
| 00:52.43 | streuner_ | parsonsd what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
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| 00:52.56 | mzilikazi | dylan`: I use ivman & pmount |
| 00:52.59 | zamaliphe | abrotman: installing the libxmlsec1-dev didnot fix it |
| 00:53.14 | parsonsd | streuner_: Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | zamaliphe: fix what ? |
| 00:53.36 | streuner_ | parsonsd: and what do you use ALSA or OSS? |
| 00:53.47 | zamaliphe | ls: /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm: No such file or directory |
| 00:54.00 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:54.10 | dylan` | mzilikazi: after i apt-get install ivman pmount, is there anything else i need to do? or just start simply plugging in devices? |
| 00:54.28 | zamaliphe | abrotman: Error loading keymap /var/lib/xkb/server-0.xkm |
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| 00:54.39 | abrotman | zamaliphe: okay .. i didn't say anything about that package |
| 00:54.43 | parsonsd | streuner_ , i don't think i know..... :-/ |
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| 00:54.57 | mzilikazi | dylan`: well usually your window manager starts ivman ( as i understand it) but since I use e17 it does not therefor i run ivman as user in addition to ivman running as user ivman |
| 00:55.07 | sdubois92 | i installed alsa base and alsa utils, now i do alsamixer and it sais function snd_ctl_open failr for default no such device. I know i had this problem before in ubuntu, i forgot how to fix it. My device is a cs4235 |
| 00:55.25 | abrotman | snd_pcm_oss |
| 00:55.40 | sdubois92 | ? |
| 00:55.42 | dylan` | mzilikazi: other than that, i could simply dmesg | tail eveyrthing? |
| 00:55.43 | streuner_ | parsonsd: run 'lsmod' - if you get modules starting with 'snd-' you are running ALSA |
| 00:55.47 | parsonsd | ahhhh |
| 00:56.17 | parsonsd | streuner_ snd.... alsa |
| 00:56.19 | streuner_ | if you don't know, you prolly very likely OSS |
| 00:56.28 | streuner_ | running* |
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| 00:58.28 | parsonsd | streuner_ : what bugs me more is that i tried commenting out the (only) line in .xinitrc to start e, and i can't get gdm to start now. the thing bombs out. the Xorg console output shows NO error |
| 00:58.52 | streuner_ | run as 'root' xmms in console and tell us what happens then |
| 00:59.25 | parsonsd | so i can't even get gdm to restart.... i dont know if it is related to e or the ton of updates for etch that i picked up before trying ANY of it |
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| 01:04.34 | fredo | :) |
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| 01:04.52 | streuner_ | so you cannot run X at all? |
| 01:05.38 | parsonsd | ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such file or directory |
| 01:05.38 | parsonsd | streuner_ : sorry ..... |
| 01:05.52 | fredo | search google ;) |
| 01:06.25 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.29 | parsonsd | streuner_ : no, i had to reload the NVidia drivers (from the NVidia prg), but then e started just fine... |
| 01:06.47 | streuner_ | Don't confuse us! |
| 01:06.54 | streuner_ | Answer our questions |
| 01:07.31 | parsonsd | streuner_ .... i get 8 lines out of that ... snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec, and such |
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| 01:07.52 | scriptjunkie | hello does anyone run linux in a work enviroment? |
| 01:07.58 | scriptjunkie | linux administrators? |
| 01:08.01 | streuner_ | ok, what did you use to get that error? |
| 01:08.07 | streuner_ | xmms? |
| 01:08.48 | streuner_ | /dev/dsp is OSS, in order to use that device in ALSA you need to modprobe the sound emulation module for OSS |
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| 01:09.01 | kgoetz | scriptjunkie: yes, quite a number of people do |
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| 01:09.08 | streuner_ | or simply change preferences in the app. to use ALSA |
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| 01:09.15 | scriptjunkie | hey kgoetz do u? |
| 01:09.18 | LoRez | scriptjunkie: lots. |
| 01:09.22 | parsonsd | xmms wanted to open /dev/dsp with oss_open(). for the output of snd.... `lsmod | grep snd` |
| 01:09.24 | abrotman | !u |
| 01:09.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 01:09.26 | kgoetz | scriptjunkie: yes |
| 01:09.40 | scriptjunkie | your a linux administrator ? |
| 01:09.44 | streuner_ | parsonsd: change that in preferences |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | scriptjunkie: just ask your real question |
| 01:09.50 | LoRez | scriptjunkie: "you're" |
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| 01:10.01 | abrotman | LoRez: where've you been hiding?! |
| 01:10.08 | scriptjunkie | ok well its not really a tech related question... it more of a career question.. |
| 01:10.11 | LoRez | around? |
| 01:10.17 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:10.23 | abrotman | scriptjunkie: ask already |
| 01:10.30 | scriptjunkie | i want to know how it is working as a linux administrator vs microsoft administrator |
| 01:10.40 | scriptjunkie | i need some direction |
| 01:10.47 | LoRez | you're able to be proactive rather than reactive? |
| 01:10.48 | scriptjunkie | right now i'm a microsoft admin |
| 01:10.55 | scriptjunkie | want to get heavy with liniux |
| 01:10.58 | scriptjunkie | *linux |
| 01:11.02 | abrotman | so install it .. start learning |
| 01:11.07 | scriptjunkie | lol |
| 01:11.13 | scriptjunkie | i have been using linux now for about a year |
| 01:11.18 | abrotman | yep .. definitely a windows admin |
| 01:11.24 | sdubois92 | haha |
| 01:11.26 | parsonsd | streuner_ : preferences? e's prefs mouse-popup panel? |
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| 01:11.36 | bigwig | hello |
| 01:11.42 | streuner_ | parsonsd: in xmms |
| 01:11.47 | scriptjunkie | so what do u guys think??? |
| 01:11.58 | bigwig | i used backports.org in order to update to x.org |
| 01:11.58 | scriptjunkie | i'm asking for direction here |
| 01:12.00 | scriptjunkie | seriously |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | firstly .. stop talking like that .. use whole words |
| 01:12.15 | scriptjunkie | lol |
| 01:12.17 | bigwig | despite the nvidia binary driver 3d acceleration does not work |
| 01:12.17 | LoRez | wtf kind of direction are you looking for? |
| 01:12.28 | bigwig | it worked before. what to do? |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | scriptjunkie: chances are .. we like our jobs .. or we'd get new ones |
| 01:13.17 | scriptjunkie | ummmmmmmm..... ok basically i want to find out from linux admins that are in the field daily if they would rather linux than windows and why as a career? |
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| 01:13.24 | snappy | scriptjunkie: learning linux for a year will probably get you nowhere, especially if you spent most of your time using a desktop that runs linux but looks like windows. |
| 01:13.29 | snappy | that's my 2c |
| 01:13.34 | abrotman | i don't know anyone who does unix/linux admin who'd rather do windows |
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| 01:13.50 | LoRez | scriptjunkie: you're able to be proactive rather than reactive |
| 01:14.00 | sdubois92 | people who use linux hate windows for the most part |
| 01:14.08 | bigwig | bye |
| 01:14.09 | LoRez | ie, you're not spending your day fixing stupid windows machines all day |
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| 01:14.27 | abrotman | sdubois92: the smart ones don't .. not without reason |
| 01:14.35 | snappy | as a desktop, i don't mind windows, but in server environments i hate it |
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| 01:14.46 | mc__ | scriptjunkie: when bad linux admins die they have to maintain windows servers in the hell |
| 01:14.53 | sdubois92 | it's much harder to find a linux sysadmin job than a windows sysadmin job, unless its for a web company |
| 01:14.54 | scriptjunkie | ok right now i live in the bahamas and windows is the standard here..... i want to become a linux admin but just wondering of the possiblities |
| 01:15.11 | sdubois92 | what part of the bahamas? |
| 01:15.14 | abrotman | scriptjunkie: we have a guy in here sometimes who lives in the bahamas and does linux work all day |
| 01:15.14 | scriptjunkie | nassau |
| 01:15.23 | sdubois92 | my aunt is from nassau |
| 01:15.27 | scriptjunkie | oh really? |
| 01:15.27 | abrotman | he's nto here right now |
| 01:15.45 | sdubois92 | yes, she moved up here to massachusetts about 8 years ago |
| 01:15.46 | scriptjunkie | abrotman where u from? |
| 01:15.57 | abrotman | stop with the god damn 'u' |
| 01:15.59 | sdubois92 | but she lived in nassau all of her life |
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| 01:16.15 | scriptjunkie | yeah... well i'm born and raised here |
| 01:16.20 | scriptjunkie | :) |
| 01:16.39 | sdubois92 | my uncle is from Abaco |
| 01:16.52 | scriptjunkie | wow |
| 01:16.58 | sdubois92 | well, he's not my uncle, good family friend, a preist |
| 01:17.00 | scriptjunkie | u come to the bahamas sometimes then? |
| 01:17.10 | streuner_ | bahamas is very nice place, but it sucks to live there with small money... |
| 01:17.10 | sdubois92 | i went when i was a baby |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | do they teach proper english in the bahamas ? |
| 01:17.25 | sdubois92 | shut up |
| 01:17.26 | scriptjunkie | lol |
| 01:17.27 | scriptjunkie | ya |
| 01:17.35 | scriptjunkie | proper english |
| 01:17.40 | scriptjunkie | but most people dont use it |
| 01:17.42 | scriptjunkie | lol |
| 01:17.44 | mc__ | scriptjunkie: why dont you simply say you instead of 'u'? |
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| 01:17.56 | sdubois92 | do you like conk? |
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| 01:18.00 | scriptjunkie | sorry mc |
| 01:18.03 | scriptjunkie | ya i like conch |
| 01:18.06 | scriptjunkie | lol |
| 01:18.08 | scriptjunkie | u? |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | scriptjunkie: another place to ask might be ##linux |
| 01:18.12 | sdubois92 | nooooo |
| 01:18.14 | blondie | "you" |
| 01:18.16 | sdubois92 | I hate it |
| 01:18.18 | streuner_ | everything essential is pretty expensive, like any food... |
| 01:18.19 | abrotman | !tell scriptjunkie about u |
| 01:18.34 | sdubois92 | do you like peas soup? |
| 01:18.49 | ThePub | pee soup, mmmm |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | mc__: for being offtopic ? |
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| 01:19.05 | scriptjunkie | lol |
| 01:19.06 | LoRez | for laying on his enter key... |
| 01:19.13 | mc__ | abrotman: and for aolism |
| 01:19.20 | scriptjunkie | lol |
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| 01:19.25 | abrotman | mc__: noone told him about lol yet i guess |
| 01:19.29 | sdubois92 | stol loling! |
| 01:19.32 | sdubois92 | stop* |
| 01:19.34 | abrotman | !lol |
| 01:19.35 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 01:19.46 | abrotman | s/AOL user/Windows admin/ |
| 01:19.47 | scriptjunkie | oh heheh i'm sorry |
| 01:19.49 | sdubois92 | LOL used to be for hackers, now its for teenage girls |
| 01:19.51 | scriptjunkie | hahahah |
| 01:20.07 | scriptjunkie | so anyways... can we get back on topic now?? |
| 01:20.14 | scriptjunkie | i had a few "linux" questions |
| 01:20.15 | mc__ | abrotman: for offtopic,spamming and aolism |
| 01:20.17 | LoRez | scriptjunkie: your topic isn't the channel topic. |
| 01:20.19 | resistance | hey guys, i've hooked up two monitor to my debian box, both are displaying, now what i would like to do i be able to do two different tasks at the same time, one on each monitor, is this possible? |
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| 01:20.23 | abrotman | scriptjunkie: for which distro ? |
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| 01:20.45 | scriptjunkie | umm right now i'm using kanotix but all i use is deb based distros |
| 01:20.46 | scriptjunkie | or debian itself |
| 01:20.46 | abrotman | then you should ask #kanotix |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | if you have questions about kanotix |
| 01:20.53 | axioms_109029 | question: once you install a doc package, how do read the documentation? |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | axioms_109029: depends on the type of docs |
| 01:21.05 | scriptjunkie | ok can i speak to someone in private then?? |
| 01:21.09 | HymnToLife | axioms_109029, browse /usr/share/doc |
| 01:21.09 | LoRez | axioms_109029: info $packageroot # sometimes |
| 01:21.10 | scriptjunkie | gees |
| 01:21.21 | axioms_109029 | i don't mean the man page |
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| 01:21.34 | abrotman | axioms_109029: you mean like bind9-doc ? |
| 01:21.40 | axioms_109029 | according to the doc description there are tutorials and stuff like that |
| 01:22.18 | DavidProck1981 | yo mind if I go off topic for a sec about water cool systems, or is there a #room for that |
| 01:22.19 | streuner_ | permanent sunday ;-) |
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| 01:22.42 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: #hardware .. maybe |
| 01:22.57 | axioms_109029 | the packages i installed were mpb-doc axiom-doc |
| 01:23.06 | DavidProck1981 | that room is dead most of the time when I go in there |
| 01:23.20 | abrotman | so what? .. just wait |
| 01:23.26 | intruder | do you think an amd k6-2 300mhz with 256 of ram can handle hosting a web site using apache with a potential average of 20 persons/day and streaming music via nfs over a lan ? or should i use another 200mhz to handle the website ? |
| 01:23.33 | blondie | !room |
| 01:23.33 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 01:23.51 | abrotman | intruder: sounds like it should be okay |
| 01:24.20 | abrotman | intruder: won't know til you try it! :) |
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| 01:25.02 | intruder | is there any process benchmarking tool i can use to mesure if itll be ok before doing it |
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| 01:25.18 | intruder | ok no thats ok |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | no benchmark will match your actual situation |
| 01:25.23 | pablo | hello, how do i install the artworks for gnome that the debian team made |
| 01:25.39 | enouf | resistance: not sure ..look into xdmx maybe |
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| 01:26.07 | resistance | enouf: what is fluxbox? |
| 01:26.20 | enouf | !fluxbox |
| 01:26.20 | dpkg | fluxbox is probably a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
| 01:26.41 | DavidProck1981 | im wanting to set one up, and the computor case im getting has one built in but I feal I need a little more so im getting an external all in one system too, BUT the pumps from the different systems are at different flow rate's, WOULD it be bad it I was to combine the pumps, would they put stress on each other |
| 01:26.44 | intruder | i would add: see also openbox |
| 01:27.10 | mc__ | intruder: there are hundreds of blackbox forks |
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| 01:27.28 | intruder | mc__: hundreds ? really |
| 01:27.36 | mc__ | intruder: no |
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| 01:27.53 | enouf | DavidProck1981: been folling through on those "enlarge your member" spams eh? |
| 01:27.59 | intruder | name me another one except those three |
| 01:28.08 | intruder | black flux and openbox |
| 01:28.10 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: it's OT here |
| 01:28.17 | DavidProck1981 | enouf: do what |
| 01:28.24 | blondie | haha |
| 01:28.26 | pablo | which is the package to control batery |
| 01:28.29 | wookienz | as an aside....im in Hong Kong where internet has come to a stand still, anyway i can change my browser to increase timeout notices? it is taking 5 seconds to reach the server on the other side of the world |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | acpid |
| 01:28.54 | DavidProck1981 | abrotman: what do you mean "it's OT here" |
| 01:29.03 | abrotman | offtopic |
| 01:29.24 | mc__ | abrotman: aolism :P |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:29.30 | dpkg | [ot] off topic |
| 01:29.53 | blondie | DavidProck1981: you didn't ask in #hardware... you arent even in there! |
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| 01:30.55 | soup__ | how do you get totem to play wmv9 files? |
| 01:31.03 | abrotman | !tell soup__ about w32codecs |
| 01:31.21 | soup__ | ty abrotman |
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| 01:31.47 | soup__ | dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 01:31.48 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 01:31.52 | abrotman | soup__: msg the bot |
| 01:31.53 | abrotman | please |
| 01:31.56 | soup__ | ok sry |
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| 01:35.49 | DavidProck1981 | im wanting to set up a water cooled system, and the computor case im getting has one built in but I feal I need a little more so im getting an external all in one system too, BUT the pumps from the different systems are at different flow rate's, WOULD it be bad it I was to combine the pumps, would they put stress on each other, im not putting them back to back, im going to put one in about half way after I do some parallel pipin |
| 01:35.50 | chronographer | hi all, my sound doesn't work, when I double click a wav file, (in xfce, debian etch) popup says "couldn't open audio, check sound card is configured, correct output plugin is selected and no other program is blocking the soundcard... |
| 01:37.18 | blondie | DavidProck1981: erm! |
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| 01:38.19 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Why want you to setup a water cooled system? Just for fun? |
| 01:38.32 | chronographer | I heard that you can just immerse whole comp into distilled water and it will be fine. Trust me ;) |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: ask #hardware .. |
| 01:39.21 | itchi | chronographer: Have you setup an sound system? |
| 01:39.35 | itchi | Yeah, dunno why i asked for :-p |
| 01:40.00 | chronographer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.45 | chronographer | when I installed ubuntu, sound worked straight away, but my slim etch install doesn't have sound now! |
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| 01:40.56 | itchi | chronographer: Have you search for some factoids about alsa? |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:41.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 01:41.29 | DavidProck1981 | itchi: the hard ward im going to get will grately benefit from it, going to get the nForce 680i motherboard and a nVidia 8800 GTX video card |
| 01:41.51 | itchi | DavidProck1981: wooooooaaaa dot |
| 01:42.09 | DavidProck1981 | do what |
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| 01:42.15 | itchi | DavidProck1981: dot |
| 01:42.20 | itchi | DavidProck1981: point |
| 01:42.32 | DavidProck1981 | huh, what are you tring to say |
| 01:42.41 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Nonsenses |
| 01:42.55 | axioms_109029 | FYI: a great way to veiw documentation is to install the package doc-central, it lets you browse all doc packages on your system |
| 01:43.08 | DavidProck1981 | explane your self please, itchi |
| 01:43.32 | itchi | DavidProck1981: I think i was clear enought :-) |
| 01:43.46 | itchi | DavidProck1981: Forget the stuff, not interest me, i dunno why i have asked the question to you |
| 01:43.51 | atealtha | is there a reason why `apt-get install` on etch sometimes asks me to insert the debian CD? |
| 01:44.10 | chronographer | debian cd is in your repositories |
| 01:44.16 | atealtha | ahh |
| 01:44.17 | atealtha | thanks |
| 01:44.39 | chronographer | dpkg didn't help me... |
| 01:44.50 | atealtha | sorry for the newb questions, it's my first time on Debian |
| 01:44.57 | chronographer | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 01:44.57 | dpkg | well, 2.4 alsa one-liner is to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 01:45.21 | chronographer | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:45.22 | dpkg | methinks alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 01:45.26 | hagabaka | can i automatically install packages recommended by installed packages? |
| 01:45.55 | chronographer | s |
| 01:46.06 | phliver | hagabaka: yeah i want to know that too. im sure there is a switch to do that |
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| 01:50.34 | abrotman | hagabaka: with aptitude |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | phliver: ^^ |
| 01:52.15 | hagabaka | i see that it can do that when installing new packages. what about packages recommended by existing packages? |
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| 01:53.44 | hagabaka | oh, Views - Recommended Packages |
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| 01:54.18 | hagabaka | there are so many :| |
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| 01:55.06 | itchi | hagabaka: Look in aptitude. In the menu Options > Miscellaneous, it's checked |
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| 01:55.38 | fluxdude | what's the official debian way of managing services started at runlevel 2? is there a chkconfig or rc-update equivalent? |
| 01:55.50 | fluxdude | I could just link manually but I'd like to know the official way as well |
| 01:55.51 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 01:55.55 | fluxdude | thanks |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | rcconf exists also |
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| 01:56.55 | hagabaka | hmm, why would aptitude recommend aptitude-doc-cs, aptitude-doc-fi, aptitude-doc-fr? |
| 01:57.07 | pablo | which is the package to know the battery status? |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | if you have non-english people on your machine ? |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | pablo: did you install acpid ? |
| 01:57.18 | hagabaka | the policy says "recommends" means they would be installed in most except unusual setups |
| 01:57.42 | pablo | abrotman: no |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | start there |
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| 01:59.06 | pablo | abrotman: i notice it was installed, but i refered to the icon that appears on gnome |
| 01:59.16 | wookienz | will "exim" connect to the relevant amilserver and deliver mail or does it pass it to another MTA on the localsystem for it to send on? ie does exim do it all or does it interface with something else to send mail onwrds outside the local system? |
| 02:00.19 | abrotman | pablo: right click on the panel .. Add to Panel .. find the battery applet |
| 02:00.32 | hagabaka | this is a bad idea...now i'm getting almost every package there is |
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| 02:03.05 | sandman | Is there any way to increase the number of keys I may press at any time? |
| 02:03.22 | sandman | It's for playing WoW with debian... but it's a keyboard thing. |
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| 02:08.19 | aredhel | sandman, that has to do with how your keyboard is wired. There is nothing that can be done from the os. The best you can do is work out which keys don't interfear with eachother. |
| 02:08.47 | phliver | ok so what if i upgraded to debian unstable, and i wanted to go back to stable..just change the sources.list and upgrade? |
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| 02:09.17 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 02:09.18 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 02:12.30 | mastroDani | hi guys.. i've just installed gnome with debian etch net-install.. it come with gnome 2.14.3.. when i try to use nautilus (i think.. gnome-vfs) for access to a windows net share it keep asking the password.. i'm sure it works, network is well configured, the password is correct |
| 02:12.39 | mastroDani | any idea? |
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| 02:14.32 | mastroDani | can somebody help? |
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| 02:14.37 | abrotman | domain perhaps ? |
| 02:14.56 | mastroDani | nope |
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| 02:15.14 | mastroDani | i tried both directly and by browsing from smb:// |
| 02:15.31 | sandman | aredhel: Is there a particular keyboard you could suggest? |
| 02:15.45 | sandman | aredhel: Or a manufacturer that you find is good? I heard IBM keyboards used to be the best :) |
| 02:17.43 | tuv | mastroDani, do you specify the username? try smbclient -L -U <username> <smb-server> |
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| 02:19.10 | sandman | aredhel: Do you find that USB keyboards suffer from it to a lesser extent or anything? |
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| 02:21.18 | mastroDani | tuv, ok.. but that's not what i want to do |
| 02:21.39 | mastroDani | tuv, i want to do it from nautilus... don't know why it don't work :/ |
| 02:21.56 | aredhel | sandman, it's the same for usb, as it has to do with how the circit board is layed out. Most of what I know about this comes from http://arcadecontrols.com. They have some good forums you could ask in. |
| 02:22.05 | tuv | mastroDani, i understand, but let's find the problem first |
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| 02:22.40 | tuv | mastroDani, if that works, then you need to specify the username for nautilus too. maybe smb://user@host/path |
| 02:23.05 | mastroDani | smbclient don't take that command |
| 02:23.51 | tuv | mastroDani, -L host -U user. order problem |
| 02:24.20 | mastroDani | ok... |
| 02:24.23 | mastroDani | i found it myself |
| 02:24.26 | mastroDani | here the message |
| 02:24.31 | mastroDani | session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE |
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| 02:24.53 | mastroDani | i'm sure the password is correct |
| 02:25.02 | mastroDani | and the user name too |
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| 02:25.31 | tuv | mastroDani, i get this message if either the username or the password is wrong |
| 02:26.08 | tuv | mastroDani, try with the workgroup, -W <workgroup> |
| 02:26.10 | mastroDani | tuv, i repeat.. i'm REALLY sure they are correct |
| 02:26.23 | tuv | mastroDani, or the domainname |
| 02:26.24 | mastroDani | may be they get transmitted in a wrong way |
| 02:26.34 | mastroDani | i've put there the IP address |
| 02:26.44 | mastroDani | smbclient -L 192.168.2.50 -U daniele |
| 02:26.48 | mastroDani | it ask the password.. |
| 02:26.53 | mastroDani | and then that error |
| 02:27.15 | tuv | mastroDani, try adding -W |
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| 02:27.53 | mastroDani | lol... i'm really a donkey |
| 02:28.05 | mastroDani | :(((( sorry |
| 02:28.11 | mastroDani | i was sure about the password.. |
| 02:28.22 | mastroDani | but the user name was "dani" not "daniele" |
| 02:28.34 | tuv | mastroDani, there you go |
| 02:28.34 | mastroDani | you ware right tuv |
| 02:28.35 | mastroDani | tnx |
| 02:28.42 | tuv | sure |
| 02:28.50 | abrotman | kick him! |
| 02:29.01 | tuv | <mastroDani> lol... i'm really a donkey... that was a good defence :0 |
| 02:29.03 | mastroDani | kick me |
| 02:29.14 | mastroDani | hehehe |
| 02:29.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:30.37 | mastroDani | lol... that was very stupid |
| 02:31.12 | mastroDani | :D |
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| 02:32.16 | medc | hello |
| 02:32.43 | medc | guys i am using debian.... and i want to download music, movies, etc... which warez do u recommend? |
| 02:33.19 | mastroDani | lol |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | try 'apt-cache search' |
| 02:34.18 | Ronin | medc: your funny :) |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | you're not |
| 02:34.29 | dvs | amso |
| 02:34.30 | abrotman | !be a homonym barbie |
| 02:34.30 | dpkg | Aww, homonym is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 02:34.47 | Ronin | abrotman: ya ya whatever we all know i get those two mixed up all the time |
| 02:35.05 | abrotman | must have been that curling accident |
| 02:35.21 | Ronin | that or the blood to beer ratio |
| 02:35.26 | medc | Ronin, why funny :/ i want to download music.... i am new in debian... and i want to know a program....thats funny? |
| 02:35.40 | abrotman | which version of debian |
| 02:36.00 | medc | etch |
| 02:36.14 | itchi | medc: Tell that in another, a way more mature |
| 02:36.51 | abrotman | there is no mature way about that :) |
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| 02:37.00 | medc | i want a Sever to Peer client for files :S |
| 02:37.10 | Ronin | ya unless you live up here in the frozen north you're not getting any files legally |
| 02:37.13 | itchi | The last words :-) |
| 02:38.40 | medc | but i am near the ecuator....and thats a way to have files |
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| 02:39.12 | hagabaka | being near the equator is a way to have files? |
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| 02:39.22 | itchi | medc: You want to sarch about p2p apps, file sharing and such stuff, nothings to do with 'u' warez stuff |
| 02:39.27 | mastroDani | bye all |
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| 02:39.35 | charzero | I was near the equator once. I didn't get any files. Just mosquito bites and worms. |
| 02:39.58 | medc | ok |
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| 02:40.03 | abrotman | charzero: see .. if you were a true geek like medc .. you wouldn't have gone outside :) |
| 02:40.05 | medc | itchi, know a good one? |
| 02:40.16 | itchi | medc: I use 'amule' |
| 02:40.30 | Aquarina | hi |
| 02:40.41 | medc | abrotman, very funny abrotman |
| 02:40.43 | Aquarina | is there someone with nut installed? |
| 02:41.01 | abrotman | i'm nuts! |
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| 02:41.27 | itchi | Aquarina: ups? |
| 02:41.39 | Aquarina | yes |
| 02:41.56 | itchi | Aquarina: Just ask your question ;-) |
| 02:41.59 | Aquarina | itchi: i seem to have access to the cgi's no matter what |
| 02:42.24 | Aquarina | shouldn't i have access denied if i was on another network? |
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| 02:43.29 | itchi | Aquarina: Look in '/etc/nut/upsd.conf' |
| 02:43.51 | itchi | Aquarina: ACCEPT localhost REJECT all |
| 02:44.01 | itchi | Aquarina: Is 2 lines |
| 02:44.03 | spoopin | abrotman: Hi. You still hang out here? |
| 02:44.14 | Aquarina | (the real problem, for now, is that upsset.cgi asks me for my user & pass, but lets me in even if i don't put anything in there |
| 02:44.17 | abrotman | hi spoopin .. yeah |
| 02:44.29 | abrotman | spoopin: you've been hiding with asg! |
| 02:44.33 | Aquarina | itchi: i've been looking at that |
| 02:44.41 | Aquarina | but everything seems fine |
| 02:44.51 | itchi | Aquarina: You need to define the user and passwd in /etc/nut/upsd.users |
| 02:44.54 | Aquarina | let me 4353th check... |
| 02:45.35 | spoopin | abrotman: Hiding with and hiding from ;) |
| 02:45.36 | Aquarina | itchi: i did |
| 02:45.36 | abrotman | spoopin: nice band by the way :) |
| 02:45.36 | spoopin | abrotman: Ummm. What? |
| 02:45.36 | itchi | Aquarina: Should be fine then |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | spoopin: the band you were in ? |
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| 02:45.58 | spoopin | abrotman: Did asg send you some mp3s? |
| 02:46.03 | abrotman | showed me a website |
| 02:46.18 | itchi | Aquarina: You been reject all other traffic? |
| 02:46.20 | spoopin | abrotman: Ah. Ok. Thanks :) |
| 02:46.31 | abrotman | spoopin: it was a while ago .. but i don't think i've seen you since :) |
| 02:46.35 | itchi | Aquarina: s/traffic/hosts/ |
| 02:46.41 | Aquarina | itchi: i have 3 users: a slave (for other system's monitor, i think) a master for localhost monitor, and a supermaster |
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| 02:46.56 | spoopin | abrotman: Yeah. I got discouraged hanging out here. |
| 02:47.11 | spoopin | abrotman: Too many Sundays |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | spoopin: every day is sunday! |
| 02:47.24 | itchi | Aquarina: In the users file, probably you refer to the wrong i.e. 'allowfrom = localhost' |
| 02:47.37 | spoopin | abrotman: Yeah. I believe it. |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | spoopin: you could just do holidays |
| 02:48.17 | Aquarina | in all of them i have allowfrom = mynetwork |
| 02:48.52 | itchi | Aquarina: One to localhost, and the 2 others to an different network? |
| 02:49.04 | Aquarina | er... no |
| 02:49.30 | Aquarina | slave, master and supermaster are all allowed from mynetwork |
| 02:50.01 | Aquarina | slave, i think is for the monitor from another computer (also using the same ups) |
| 02:50.21 | Aquarina | master for the monitor of the server itself |
| 02:50.31 | Aquarina | (the 1 that has upsd) |
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| 02:50.48 | itchi | Aquarina: How many entries have you for the 'ACCEPT foo' in /etc/nut/upsd.conf ? 3, for each network? |
| 02:51.02 | Aquarina | and superserver, I thought it was for gagning access to upsset.cgi |
| 02:51.52 | spoopin | abrotman: Yeah. That's kinda what brought me here today :) |
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| 02:52.04 | Aquarina | itchi: accept localhost mynetwork |
| 02:52.14 | abrotman | spoopin: your whole dept. on vacation ? |
| 02:52.24 | Aquarina | itchi: in upsd.conf |
| 02:52.24 | itchi | Aquarina: Yeah (told it wrong above), you have 3 accept lines? |
| 02:52.36 | Aquarina | no, just one |
| 02:52.44 | yxa | if i want to create a READONLY debian, other than mounting /var to a ramdisk, what else do I need to take note? |
| 02:52.52 | Aquarina | I think you're understanding me wrong |
| 02:52.59 | Aquarina | i don't have 3 networks |
| 02:53.01 | spoopin | abrotman: Yep. Until the 2nd - although asg and I had to go in for a while today. |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | spoopin: mail gateway switch day ? |
| 02:53.15 | itchi | Aquarina: It's from 3 different places you want to see it? |
| 02:53.24 | Aquarina | i have 1 networks |
| 02:53.26 | itchi | Aquarina: 3 ip's then? |
| 02:53.33 | spoopin | abrotman: He did that too. I had to work on our big nasty Sun box. |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | the one that's always broken? |
| 02:53.42 | Aquarina | er... from all hosts on my network |
| 02:54.18 | spoopin | abrotman: It's been better recently, actually. We just had to make some config changes that console access was more suited for. |
| 02:54.21 | itchi | Aquarina: oki |
| 02:54.33 | Aquarina | itchi: i defined it by network acl mynetwork 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | spoopin: you need a lackey :) |
| 02:54.59 | spoopin | abrotman: I AM the lackey. |
| 02:55.05 | itchi | Aquarina: ACL (caps)? |
| 02:55.11 | Aquarina | yes |
| 02:55.12 | abrotman | spoopin: and they let you out for a week ?! |
| 02:55.14 | Aquarina | :-) |
| 02:55.22 | itchi | Aquarina: Just to be sure ;-) |
| 02:55.43 | spoopin | abrotman: Well, the really lowly lackeys don't get to touch the big iron. |
| 02:55.50 | itchi | Aquarina: Do just the same with the ACCEPT ... line |
| 02:56.12 | itchi | Aquarina: Otherwise it's the line (REJECT all) that block it |
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| 02:56.25 | spoopin | abrotman: It's more like almost two weeks, actually (*gloat*) |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | spoopin: no big toys eh ? |
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| 02:56.54 | abrotman | i've been in and out .. mostly out for a week .. don't have to return til the 2nd .. but i'm the only admin :) |
| 02:56.57 | spoopin | abrotman: Not for them. They're all Windows punks, anyway ;) |
| 02:57.01 | Aquarina | itchi: I have ACCEPT localhost mynetwork on a single line |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | spoopin: unisys makes big systems :) |
| 02:57.11 | Aquarina | ando another line: REJECT all |
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| 02:57.31 | itchi | Aquarina: Add '192.168.0.0/24' to the ACCEPT line |
| 02:57.43 | itchi | Aquarina: Trash my last thing |
| 02:57.48 | itchi | Aquarina: Now, the users file |
| 02:57.54 | Aquarina | wait |
| 02:58.11 | Aquarina | i should use acl's on that line isn't it? |
| 02:58.20 | Aquarina | so I should not use ip's |
| 02:58.32 | spoopin | abrotman: Yes, I suppose so. |
| 02:58.34 | Aquarina | (am I missing something?) |
| 02:58.47 | itchi | Aquarina: I have here ACCEPT localhost (in the default working config) |
| 02:59.37 | spoopin | abrotman: We're officially off, but we're almost always working from the couch.. |
| 03:00.01 | itchi | Aquarina: Now in the /etc/nut/upsd.users you need to define the 'allowfrom' line |
| 03:00.09 | Aquarina | ok |
| 03:00.11 | itchi | Aquarina: For each user |
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| 03:00.30 | abrotman | spoopin: sounds familiar |
| 03:00.33 | itchi | Aquarina: Or depend how you want the security level |
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| 03:00.40 | Aquarina | in each user I have allowfrom = mynetwork |
| 03:00.48 | itchi | Aquarina: Oki |
| 03:01.08 | itchi | Aquarina: Then your done; the stuff is pretty simplist btw |
| 03:01.10 | Aquarina | could it be because apache is on localhost? |
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| 03:01.35 | itchi | Aquarina: Should not matter, idem here |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | spoopin: do they let you guys go ... off the grid ? |
| 03:01.50 | Aquarina | er... |
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| 03:02.08 | Aquarina | sorry, I must be a little bit slow by now |
| 03:02.56 | Aquarina | let's see: all of my monitors (the ones I defined in upsmon.conf) seem to get access |
| 03:02.57 | spoopin | abrotman: Umm. That depends. What do you mean by 'off the grid'? Turn off the pagers? |
| 03:03.08 | Aquarina | that's ok |
| 03:03.09 | yxa | if i want to create a READONLY debian, other than mounting /var to a ramdisk, what else do I need to take note? |
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| 03:03.28 | abrotman | spoopin: as in .. could you take a trip that you wouldn't be accessible for .. say a week ? |
| 03:03.44 | Aquarina | then when I access the cgi's i still get access to them |
| 03:03.46 | dondelelcaro | yxa: you might as well just do a union mount of a ramdisk over everything |
| 03:03.46 | itchi | Aquarina: I have an USB model here, a MGE UPS Protection Center 675 |
| 03:04.11 | yxa | dondelelcaro what's a union mount? |
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| 03:04.21 | Aquarina | itchi: should not be because of the model, but mine works with the powermust driver |
| 03:04.28 | zetetic | hi, I' m running debian etch and I can't delete some menu entries on alacarte... any hints? |
| 03:04.33 | spoopin | abrotman: Yeah. Generally. |
| 03:04.36 | Aquarina | it's a powerwalker, i think |
| 03:04.42 | abrotman | spoopin: just wondering |
| 03:04.48 | mhall | does anybody have a real simple sample makefile which makes at least two different executables? |
| 03:05.43 | Aquarina | itchi: anyway, when i use the cgi, i can put any user/pass - he gives me access anyway |
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| 03:06.25 | Aquarina | (at least it doesn't complain - never tryed to realy change anything to see if it realy did it) |
| 03:06.31 | spoopin | abrotman: If you're the only admin, I guess that's a 'No' for you. |
| 03:07.12 | abrotman | spoopin: uhm .. kind of yes/no .. i've gone to places i can't be reached .. but usualyl just for a weekend or a long weekend |
| 03:07.12 | itchi | Aquarina: Viewing? |
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| 03:07.40 | abrotman | spoopin: western virginia was a good example .. |
| 03:08.04 | Aquarina | i can view with the upsstats.cgi |
| 03:08.20 | abrotman | spoopin: going to visit my mom when she was in Maine was another |
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| 03:08.28 | Aquarina | itchi: but upsset.cgi asks me for a user/pass |
| 03:08.36 | spoopin | abrotman: At least you can get away from time to time. |
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| 03:08.47 | Aquarina | itchi: i can put anything in there, no problem, he let's me it |
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| 03:08.52 | Aquarina | *in |
| 03:09.14 | spoopin | abrotman: I haven't tried a full week unreachable. |
| 03:09.15 | abrotman | spoopin: i was supposed to be gone over last weekend .. but i was supposed to go to Denver .. which didn't happen |
| 03:09.30 | spoopin | abrotman: I can't imagine why? |
| 03:09.35 | Aquarina | itchi: do you understand? (my english is not good :-/) |
| 03:09.39 | abrotman | spoopin: hehe |
| 03:09.40 | itchi | Aquarina: Hhhm, yeah, test it right now again, i can also access it of an box that are not allowed |
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| 03:10.16 | Aquarina | itchi: that, i think must be a problem with apache |
| 03:10.39 | Aquarina | maybe the "secure cgi directory" is not done correctly |
| 03:11.09 | itchi | Aquarina: Had worked fine before :-/ I dunno, need to check some things |
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| 03:11.31 | Aquarina | itchi: anyway, even giving me access to it is not the biggest problem |
| 03:11.54 | Aquarina | itchi: the biggest problem is to ask me for user/pass and not verify it |
| 03:12.35 | Aquarina | itchi: (I introduced wrong values on purpose...) |
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| 03:12.43 | itchi | Aquarina: hehe, year, blanco and we can enter, a bit weird |
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| 03:13.08 | Aquarina | is it happening to you too?... |
| 03:13.26 | Aquarina | there should be something more we should have done |
| 03:13.43 | itchi | Aquarina: I not think it's an apache trouble, more that nut and nut-cgi |
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| 03:14.11 | Aquarina | itchi: (like securing correctly the cgi directory) |
| 03:14.13 | itchi | Aquarina: Yes; i got the same trouble as you now, but have worked fine before |
| 03:14.33 | Aquarina | realy?!... hum... a bug then?! |
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| 03:15.06 | itchi | Aquarina: It's that nut-cgi that not need an pass btw, not apache's fault that |
| 03:15.06 | Aquarina | i'm using etch and sarge on the server, what about you? |
| 03:15.25 | Aquarina | (etch on the workstation) |
| 03:15.26 | itchi | Aquarina: It's on an Etch box |
| 03:15.37 | Aquarina | hum... |
| 03:15.41 | itchi | Aquarina: Both Etch |
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| 03:16.15 | Aquarina | itchi: hehe sorry to have woried you |
| 03:16.33 | Aquarina | but we must find the solution for this! |
| 03:16.48 | itchi | Aquarina: no no, great that you tell about it, need to examine the stuff a bit more and if needed an bug report |
| 03:17.15 | Aquarina | itchi: they worn in the docs about securing correctly the cgi directory |
| 03:17.25 | Aquarina | i still shink that must be the problem |
| 03:17.32 | Aquarina | *think |
| 03:17.51 | itchi | Aquarina: It's some time ago i did the setup. I not more looked to it like it's working :-) |
| 03:18.11 | itchi | Aquarina: Is that a fresh install of nut stuff? |
| 03:18.17 | Aquarina | yes |
| 03:18.27 | Aquarina | yesterday |
| 03:18.42 | Aquarina | (brand new ups :-D ) |
| 03:19.17 | itchi | Aquarina: Mine looks a bit weird http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/tmp/ups_MGE/dscn1444.jpg |
| 03:20.39 | hagabaka | too many packages in the games section :( |
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| 03:20.58 | abrotman | hagabaka: avoid enigma! |
| 03:21.02 | Aquarina | hehe, http://powerwalker.com/de/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=63&Itemid=106 <-- here is mine |
| 03:21.19 | hagabaka | hmm, i moved past it already |
| 03:21.26 | Aquarina | itchi: are those network plugs in it? |
| 03:21.44 | hagabaka | i hope i'll be able to find what i install later... |
| 03:22.02 | itchi | Aquarina: For ADSL stuff, and the RJ45 connector have on the other side an USB connection |
| 03:22.32 | Aquarina | can someone please tell me in whitch file I change things like allowoverrides for cgi-bin directory? |
| 03:22.56 | dondelelcaro | Aquarina: any apache configuration file which applies to that cgi-bin directory. |
| 03:23.08 | Aquarina | itchi: since it has a network plug, can't you control it from the network? could solve your problem |
| 03:23.37 | Aquarina | dondelelcaro: hum?!... |
| 03:23.43 | itchi | Aquarina: But i find it weird that the nut-cgi not need the pass, eventually to see the stuff, but not to modify. There's somethings that happend with that nut-cgi thing i think |
| 03:24.12 | Aquarina | itchi: yes... you can be right |
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| 03:24.52 | itchi | Aquarina: The cgi script do not care what you enter, it's not normal |
| 03:24.59 | Aquarina | anyway, i still don't like it, and cannot leave it like this |
| 03:25.05 | dondelelcaro | Aquarina: there isn't necessarily a single file. You can either edit the appropriate /etc/apache2/sites-available/ file for that site, or the overall configuration file. |
| 03:25.27 | Aquarina | dondelelcaro: ah... ok |
| 03:25.50 | Aquarina | let me see in sitesavailable if something aplies to cgi-bin |
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| 03:25.59 | jross | how can I access files on samba through all my programs that I can easily access and even "mount" through nautilus? most all other programs in gnome dont see these "mounted" shares |
| 03:26.14 | odla | is there any way that i can make my ntfs partition read/writable from debian? |
| 03:26.24 | dondelelcaro | odla: yes, but write support isn't complete. |
| 03:27.11 | itchi | Aquarina: Okay, got it i think, Look to /usr/share/doc/nut-cgi/examples/upsset.conf |
| 03:27.14 | odla | dondelelcaro: how would i do that? |
| 03:27.39 | zetetic | hi, I' m running debian etch and I can't delete some menu entries on alacarte... any hints? |
| 03:27.41 | Aquarina | itchi: what about it? |
| 03:27.46 | abrotman | odla: /msg dpkg captiventfs |
| 03:27.52 | odla | abrotman: thanks |
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| 03:28.16 | itchi | Aquarina: I dunno at this stage, looks like some little more features sind the last time i saw my stuff :-) I reading back the docs |
| 03:28.32 | odla | abrotman: that factoid doesn't sound so promising |
| 03:28.51 | abrotman | odla: that's about the way it is :) |
| 03:28.52 | Aquarina | itchi: that's what i told you: they warned to secure the cgi directory |
| 03:29.08 | odla | what about ntfs-3g? |
| 03:29.13 | abrotman | try it |
| 03:29.22 | odla | ok |
| 03:29.23 | abrotman | i don't do ntfs rw from linux ... |
| 03:29.26 | Aquarina | itchi: that is done on the apache configuration |
| 03:29.29 | abrotman | back up your data first |
| 03:29.30 | dondelelcaro | Aquarina: as far as your user/password problem, you either need to modify the cgi script to do that, or set up a AuthUserFile with a Restrict valid-user on that directory. |
| 03:29.39 | abrotman | odla: make it back stateside yet? |
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| 03:29.43 | dondelelcaro | Aquarina: see http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/howto/auth.html for the details. |
| 03:29.52 | odla | abrotman: i did :D |
| 03:29.57 | odla | abrotman: i'm now in minnesota |
| 03:29.57 | Aquarina | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 03:30.10 | abrotman | odla: stateside .. |
| 03:30.17 | itchi | Aquarina: Is that server on the www ? |
| 03:30.19 | odla | ouch |
| 03:30.34 | Aquarina | itchi: no |
| 03:30.56 | itchi | Aquarina: Not worry to many then, it's just to tweak it like we need :-) |
| 03:31.09 | Aquarina | itchi: it's behind a fw, anyway I prefer to have things well configured anyway |
| 03:31.19 | itchi | Aquarina: Sure |
| 03:31.23 | Aquarina | itchi: are you jp? |
| 03:31.32 | itchi | Aquarina: jp? |
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| 03:31.38 | Aquarina | japanese? |
| 03:31.44 | itchi | Aquarina: Nope |
| 03:32.02 | Aquarina | itchi = 1 I think, and man... but I'm not sure |
| 03:32.24 | Aquarina | can't talk jp |
| 03:32.42 | itchi | Aquarina: See scratchi :-) |
| 03:33.06 | Aquarina | what is that? |
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| 03:34.51 | odla | if i add a user to a group does that become effective immediately or do i need to restart X or reboot? |
| 03:35.07 | Ronin | odla: should be immediate |
| 03:35.13 | odla | hrm... |
| 03:35.20 | Agrajag- | becomes effective on login |
| 03:35.20 | abrotman | logout/login |
| 03:35.25 | odla | ok |
| 03:35.34 | abrotman | Ronin: no more curling for you |
| 03:35.35 | itchi | Aquarina: Look for it on goole image (being ways of topic :-p) |
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| 03:36.06 | Aquarina | ok |
| 03:36.08 | Aquarina | bye |
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| 03:36.22 | ewqewq | #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertu |
| 03:36.27 | ewqewq | #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul |
| 03:36.29 | ewqewq | #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul #expertul#expertul #expertu |
| 03:36.31 | itchi | Aquarina: But still weird, like he not want the pass |
| 03:36.42 | itchi | !ops ewqewq plays the kiddy |
| 03:36.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: itchi complains about: ewqewq plays the kiddy |
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| 03:36.50 | itchi | pppfff |
| 03:37.04 | Ronin | abrotman: bah |
| 03:37.24 | Ronin | can we all join that channel and return the favor? |
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| 03:37.41 | enveezee | Ronin: you go ahead |
| 03:37.51 | protocol1 | lol |
| 03:37.53 | Ronin | enveezee: more fun in a group |
| 03:37.54 | niru | hi all |
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| 03:38.12 | abrotman | Ronin: considering there's only one person there ... ? |
| 03:38.22 | Ronin | abrotman: exactly my point |
| 03:38.23 | vinsci | when doing "apt-get update" now, anyone else seeing "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room"? |
| 03:38.33 | Ronin | course i also hang out on efnet the wild west of irc |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | !tell vinsci about mmap |
| 03:38.42 | jross | actually what I do is "conntect" to the share and it puts it on my nautilus desktop, but most my programs dont see it |
| 03:38.44 | itchi | hehe i'm banned of that channel :-) |
| 03:38.52 | enveezee | itchi: yay |
| 03:39.02 | vinsci | thanks, abrotman |
| 03:39.26 | itchi | Guess he did there also somethings stupid haha |
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| 03:45.22 | niru | any body tried with simple cdd |
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| 03:45.48 | Supaplex | niru: what's that? |
| 03:47.00 | niru | debian is creating custom as well as simple cdd |
| 03:47.12 | Supaplex | !cdd |
| 03:47.20 | niru | in simple cdd we need not have the whole repo in our system |
| 03:47.23 | odla | No package 'gtk+-2.0' found Package gdk -2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. <- what would i need to install ? |
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| 03:47.39 | niru | we can only maintain the necessary packages list and others we can get from remote repo |
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| 03:47.51 | niru | cdd=custom debian distribution |
| 03:48.08 | Supaplex | ahhh |
| 03:48.19 | itchi | Aquarina: I guess my config is gone when i did an update or so, i look back in mine notes and it no more match |
| 03:48.35 | abrotman | odla: apt-cache -- search libgtk -dev |
| 03:48.44 | Aquarina | itchi: hehe |
| 03:49.06 | itchi | Aquarina: That's the sad part of having testing :-/ |
| 03:49.15 | abrotman | niru: is that a question ? |
| 03:49.50 | niru | abrotman:I want a good documentation for simple cdd |
| 03:50.20 | abrotman | might do better to ask a channel related to a distro based on debian |
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| 03:51.09 | odla | abrotman: thanks |
| 03:51.47 | jago | hwo can i make my sound work |
| 03:52.12 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 03:52.12 | dpkg | from memory, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 03:53.23 | blackelf_ | for unknown reason my PC powers off (wthout unmounting filesystems!) if left fr several hours IDLE. any idea? |
| 03:53.47 | SubStack | too hot? |
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| 03:54.40 | blackelf_ | SubStack: nope |
| 03:54.49 | blackelf_ | it fails ony if totally IDLE |
| 03:55.04 | blackelf_ | also this mainboard fails to reset, it only can poweroff |
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| 03:55.14 | unseensoul | howdy |
| 03:55.16 | blackelf_ | perhaps ystem tries to enter some sleeping mode and fails on this mobo? |
| 03:55.24 | SubStack | maybe |
| 03:55.39 | unseensoul | how can i change the system' charset? |
| 03:55.45 | jago | thanks |
| 03:57.14 | abrotman | perhaps it's actually going to sleep ? |
| 03:57.28 | blackelf_ | abrotman: hibernates? |
| 03:57.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:57.39 | blackelf_ | abrotman: the file systems are not unmounted |
| 03:57.50 | blackelf_ | coz I get lots of log replying warnings on bootup |
| 03:57.55 | abrotman | i think that's how sleep works .. i don't use hibernate |
| 03:57.59 | aredhel | unseensoul, dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 03:58.12 | blackelf_ | abrotman: I think I dont use hibernate, how to be shure? |
| 03:58.19 | spoopin | blackelf_: I've had trouble with IBM desktops that want to spin down drives and such, with nasty crashes resulting. |
| 03:58.30 | Supaplex | blackelf_: what motherboard, chipset, bios and cpu is it? |
| 03:58.30 | blackelf_ | spoopin: possible its it |
| 03:58.42 | unseensoul | aredhel, thanks you |
| 03:58.43 | unseensoul | :) |
| 03:58.44 | blackelf_ | amd64 X2 on nvidia mobo (> nvidia3) |
| 03:58.52 | abrotman | but you'd think the crash would crash/hang .. or reset |
| 03:58.57 | blackelf_ | it seem to fails of computer is totally idle for 4 hours |
| 03:59.27 | blackelf_ | as I said, reset -> hardware failur |
| 03:59.42 | blackelf_ | shutdown -r now resets computer but it is unable to power up |
| 03:59.50 | blackelf_ | only shutdown -h now work |
| 04:00.31 | Supaplex | blackelf_: there is a kernel option for 'reboot' fixups, but I think it only applies to an embeded systems design of some sort. |
| 04:00.36 | blackelf_ | well I suppose I will turn it off when goind to sleep and report kernl about need of fixing it |
| 04:01.08 | hagabaka | it would be nice if aptitude could install packages it just downloaded if it would still need to download many more packages |
| 04:01.12 | spoopin | blackelf_: you can try passing kernel options to turn off acpi support |
| 04:01.21 | blackelf_ | spoopin: acpi=off ? |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | Supaplex: watchdog ? |
| 04:01.42 | abrotman | oh wait .. nevermind |
| 04:01.47 | blackelf_ | I dont think I use watchdogs |
| 04:01.58 | abrotman | blackelf_: i didn't mean you |
| 04:02.00 | Supaplex | blackelf_: yea, acpi=off. |
| 04:02.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if there's a way to force Wine to start an app windowed, rather than full screen? |
| 04:02.19 | zinx | Dark_Apostrophe: there is. |
| 04:02.24 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: wine supports per application settings via winecfg |
| 04:02.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: Ok |
| 04:02.46 | abrotman | ask #winehq |
| 04:02.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | zinx: Is that what you meant? |
| 04:03.16 | zinx | Dark_Apostrophe: I meant only what I said. |
| 04:03.38 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't recall what version of wine that went into effect. Might affect sarge, but I doubt it affects etch or better. |
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| 04:03.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know, but I figured you must've had an idea how to, since you knew it could be done. |
| 04:03.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: I'm on Etch. |
| 04:07.16 | blackelf_ | acpi=off will also disable nice things like hardware sensors? |
| 04:08.15 | Supaplex | pretty much. if your acpi is busticated, you'll have to try it long enough to know. |
| 04:08.27 | Supaplex | I have a box like that :-/ |
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| 04:12.20 | enouf | lol at busticated |
| 04:12.22 | n3kl_ | Hi |
| 04:12.30 | n3kl_ | Is there something wrong with debian multimedia? |
| 04:12.42 | n3kl_ | debian-multimedia.org? |
| 04:12.42 | Supaplex | explain |
| 04:13.03 | Supaplex | does it not fit in your screen? |
| 04:13.06 | n3kl_ | I can't resolve the domain name |
| 04:13.11 | Supaplex | does it make lewd remarks about your weight? |
| 04:13.14 | Supaplex | ohhh ok. |
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| 04:14.04 | Supaplex | odd, no dig installed here. try dnsstuff.com |
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| 04:15.34 | xlotlu | is it possible under any window manager to set the window title at the bottom? |
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| 04:15.54 | zinx | xlotlu: Yes. |
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| 04:16.10 | xlotlu | zinx: which one? |
| 04:16.31 | zinx | xlotlu: sawfish, enlightenment, and probably many more |
| 04:16.44 | zinx | those are just the ones i know of off the top of my head |
| 04:16.57 | Cyis | anyone tired messing with their Apache2 configuration to block URLs if they aren't referred by a specific host? |
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| 04:18.41 | zinx | Cyis: Nope. I just blocked them all. |
| 04:18.49 | zinx | Cyis: whitelist instead of blacklist. |
| 04:18.50 | n3kl_ | xlotlu: fluxbox |
| 04:19.13 | ice63 | blackbox :) |
| 04:19.23 | n3kl_ | =] |
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| 04:19.40 | Cyis | zinx: I just need to validate that the request is coming from a link within the site so someone can't just type the URL in... |
| 04:19.42 | pengo | hie everyone |
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| 04:19.57 | n3kl_ | is anyone able to resolve www.debina-multimedia.org? |
| 04:20.11 | pengo | how can i fix netbeans fonts? |
| 04:20.16 | Agrajag- | n3kl_: debina? |
| 04:20.27 | n3kl_ | typo |
| 04:21.00 | Agrajag- | www.debian-multimedia.org is an alias for debian-multimedia.org. debian-multimedia.org has address 213.186.33.16 |
| 04:21.04 | zinx | Cyis: oh, i don't care about people just typing the URL in |
| 04:21.19 | Cyis | zinx: in this case I have to worry about that |
| 04:21.20 | zinx | Cyis: i care about the myspace/etc idiots who put 2MB pngs as their background. |
| 04:21.29 | zinx | Cyis: Then you are doing something wrong. |
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| 04:21.39 | zinx | if you're using it for security, then your security is flawed. |
| 04:21.53 | Cyis | zinx: it's how my client wants it |
| 04:21.56 | zinx | (and not secure at all) |
| 04:22.02 | zinx | Cyis: Your client is an idiot. |
| 04:22.11 | lkthomas | hey all, how could I use vi to add or remove comment # to couple of line at once ? |
| 04:23.29 | lkthomas | anyone ? |
| 04:23.54 | Supaplex | #vim |
| 04:23.57 | Agrajag- | lkthomas: select the linse you want to add # to and so s/^/#/ |
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| 04:24.17 | lkthomas | "select" ? |
| 04:24.19 | wastrel | "debian" |
| 04:24.23 | Agrajag- | lkthomas: to remove them, there's lots of ways, easiest is probably to go into visual block mode, select them, delete |
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| 04:24.35 | Agrajag- | lkthomas: visual line mode |
| 04:24.35 | lkthomas | how to select the line then |
| 04:24.35 | wastrel | visual block mode in vim? i hate it. |
| 04:25.05 | lkthomas | I think I am using vi, not vim ?! |
| 04:25.23 | wastrel | go to the line type ma then go to the end of the section you want to delete and type d'a |
| 04:25.43 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 04:26.10 | Supaplex | is there any accelerated support for ATI under powerpc? (g4 ibook) |
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| 04:29.18 | wastrel | i need to update my procmailrc |
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| 04:29.43 | Rusty1 | Supaplex: #DebianPPC maybe help there? |
| 04:29.54 | Supaplex | just a few tumbleweeds :) |
| 04:30.03 | jago | i need help with my sound system, it loops the start of any file indefinatly no matte what player i use |
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| 04:31.16 | blackelf_ | would you pariticipate in 5 minute pool about need of linux friendly hardware/software shops, which is a part of business plan Im preparing for a company? |
| 04:31.33 | Supaplex | pool? |
| 04:31.37 | Supaplex | poll? |
| 04:31.42 | blackelf_ | argh |
| 04:31.43 | blackelf_ | poll indeed |
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| 04:32.18 | nima | mplayer is in debian now? |
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| 04:33.14 | blackelf_ | !give nima mplayer |
| 04:34.05 | nima | Thanks! :-) |
| 04:34.11 | blackelf_ | erm.. failed, I have |
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| 04:35.21 | Supaplex | !tell nima about debian-multimedia |
| 04:36.10 | nima | Supaplex, I just got mplayer from a normal debian mirror... |
| 04:36.30 | n3kl_ | Does anyone know of a good bittorrent tracker for linux? |
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| 04:37.00 | Supaplex | nima: then you already know the answer :) |
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| 04:37.55 | nima | mplayer is leet |
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| 04:39.48 | dan2 | ~xen |
| 04:39.49 | apt | well, xen is not my friend |
| 04:39.59 | dan2 | !xen |
| 04:40.24 | schme | n3kl_: rtorrent is nice |
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| 04:40.53 | nima | n3kl_, rtorrent is nice, but it's not a tracker :-P |
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| 04:41.29 | Supaplex | install a user for that ;) |
| 04:41.30 | n3kl_ | nima: do you know of a tracker? |
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| 04:41.53 | schme | oh |
| 04:41.56 | schme | a tracker.. |
| 04:42.15 | nima | n3kl_, BNBT seems nice |
| 04:42.19 | schme | a dedicated linux tracker... for what purpose .. ? |
| 04:42.19 | Supaplex | !coffee schme |
| 04:42.21 | nima | I've never tried any of them, though |
| 04:42.49 | schme | Supaplex: thank ya very much :) |
| 04:42.55 | Supaplex | np |
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| 04:43.37 | nima | schme, By tracker, do you mean software, or a site that runs such software? |
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| 04:44.38 | enveezee | I feel the pain I am waiting forever for pdiffs on and update\ |
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| 04:44.50 | schme | oh |
| 04:45.08 | schme | nima: Well it's not me looking. :) I figured it was a site that was looked for |
| 04:45.20 | nima | Whoops |
| 04:45.33 | nima | n3kl_, See above :-P |
| 04:45.44 | nima | !coffee me |
| 04:45.53 | Cyis | okay... figured out how to do it using mod_rewrite |
| 04:46.08 | n3kl_ | schme: I have a 50G windows share that I use for work. When I am at a customer location and I need to download a file, like an iso, it takes way to long across a single VPN tunnel. I want to create a way to download faster. |
| 04:46.15 | n3kl_ | nima: is it in apt? |
| 04:46.31 | schme | n3kl_: Oh you want the software. nevermind me :D |
| 04:46.45 | n3kl_ | schme: yeah, to host my own torrents |
| 04:46.55 | nima | n3kl_, It appears not :-( |
| 04:47.05 | n3kl_ | I have used bittornados before, but its a pain to setup for as many files as I am looking to do it for. |
| 04:47.10 | nima | Perhaps you could use a public tracker? |
| 04:47.29 | n3kl_ | nima: no go, I can't have external access to these files |
| 04:48.12 | nima | n3kl_, ah |
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| 04:51.31 | Cyis | simple RewriteCond to check HTTP_REFERER is ! expected Referer URL and REQUEST_URI is for the specified URI then RewriteRule them to a different URL |
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| 04:52.04 | nima | n3kl_, http://sourceforge.net/projects/tbsource |
| 04:52.28 | nima | n3kl_, It's PHP + MySQL, so it shouldn't be too painful to install |
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| 04:53.23 | wastrel | i'm installing debian on my Old Crappy Laptop |
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| 04:54.04 | cwheeler | can I remove kernels I don't need with apt-get? |
| 04:54.21 | wastrel | yes |
| 04:54.48 | cwheeler | are the manpages the best docs? |
| 04:55.12 | inetd | anyone here use fetchmail with hotmail? |
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| 04:56.42 | mylogic | hotmail, ew ;p |
| 04:57.32 | n3kl_ | which is better, alien, checkinstall or equivs? |
| 04:57.49 | Supaplex | yuck, ack, eeek |
| 04:58.13 | Supaplex | is it in sid? or is sid too old? |
| 04:59.01 | n3kl_ | I am just reading a debian book that mentions them |
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| 05:00.04 | wastrel | cwheeler: there are lots of good docs floating around in /usr/share/doc man pages are good references but not always the best docs |
| 05:00.18 | wastrel | it depends a lot on the man page, unfortunately, some man pages are better than others. |
| 05:00.18 | cwheeler | looks like apt-get left old kernel files and forgot about them, will it mess anything up to delete them? |
| 05:00.24 | wastrel | no |
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| 05:00.51 | wastrel | !reference |
| 05:00.51 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 05:00.59 | wastrel | ^^ good doc |
| 05:01.08 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 05:03.30 | wastrel | i think i hung up the installer :p |
| 05:03.34 | wastrel | 2nd try |
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| 05:03.59 | wastrel | heh slow computer there we go |
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| 05:10.33 | nima | Where's mencoder? |
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| 05:11.19 | nima | Does the debian mplayer package install it? |
| 05:11.44 | wastrel | !find mencoder |
| 05:12.50 | nima | It doesn't exist :-( |
| 05:13.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mencoder' (2): (/usr/share/kino/scripts/exports/{mencoder.sh|mencoder_dual.sh}) in graphics/kino ;; (/usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/cs/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/de/mencoder.html, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/mencoder.html) in graphics/mplayer-doc. |
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| 05:14.02 | nima | wastrel, Thanks, that might be helpful |
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| 05:15.40 | wastrel | doesn't look too helpful to me ;] but what do i know. i'm still installing the base system |
| 05:16.38 | nima | I'm hoping those docs mention how to install it |
| 05:17.05 | nima | But I'm starting to think those docs are just the HTML docs from the website |
| 05:17.18 | wastrel | apt-file search mencoder do anything for you? |
| 05:17.26 | wastrel | or apt-cache search i mean |
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| 05:18.47 | nima | wastrel, nope |
| 05:19.25 | hark | nima: debian-multimedia |
| 05:19.42 | wastrel | yay someone smrt |
| 05:19.46 | wastrel | <3 hark |
| 05:20.20 | nima | Thanks, hark |
| 05:20.32 | hark | probably excluded due to legal reasons |
| 05:20.44 | hark | np :) |
| 05:21.58 | nima | Stupid laws, cause so many more problems than they fix :-P |
| 05:22.59 | nima | It requires liblame0, that's probably why |
| 05:24.38 | Gge | Nobody is talking about Synaptic Package Manager present in Etch ? I am susing it so I wonder about it ? |
| 05:25.57 | nima | Gge, Eh? |
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| 05:30.21 | kadk | hey, is there any way to turn my debian box into a "network storage"; like everbody in the house(laptop, another pcs,etc) can store files on it just like a regular drive. is it possible for samba to do that? |
| 05:30.32 | unlink | yes |
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| 05:30.48 | unlink | many people use Network Attached Storage devices for that |
| 05:30.52 | kadk | i see |
| 05:31.02 | unlink | such as the NSLU2 from linksys or kuro box by revolution |
| 05:31.14 | unlink | which incidentally both can run debian |
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| 05:32.09 | unlink | it's a huge waste to use a full-fledged box for NAS |
| 05:32.53 | kadk | why |
| 05:33.13 | unlink | because they drain 5-10x the power |
| 05:33.39 | wastrel | the default kernel is still 2.4 in sarge eh. |
| 05:33.40 | unlink | up to 15x more even |
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| 05:35.17 | tuv | nslu2 is great |
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| 05:35.34 | tuv | it does wonders |
| 05:35.59 | hark | wastrel: should have used linux26 at the installer boot prompt ;) |
| 05:36.18 | tuv | that's easy to fix |
| 05:37.18 | wastrel | hark this is a celeron 333 with 64 MB of RAM probably 2.4 is better anyway? |
| 05:37.21 | Supaplex | what package (or file) am I missing if xorg needs the fixed font? (I wonder why the dependencies didn't catch it...) |
| 05:37.32 | unlink | Supaplex: xfonts-base perhaps |
| 05:38.09 | Supaplex | intresting. not installed. installing. Thanks :) |
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| 05:39.38 | wastrel | what do i know from 2.4 |
| 05:39.46 | n3kl_ | nima: thanks |
| 05:39.47 | wastrel | i will learn to love it or upgrade |
| 05:39.52 | lkthomas | guys |
| 05:40.04 | lkthomas | after I reinstall apache2, apache2.conf disppear |
| 05:40.07 | lkthomas | how could I recover it ? |
| 05:40.29 | nima | n3kl_, NP :-) |
| 05:40.38 | Supaplex | lkthomas: did you purge while reinstalling? |
| 05:40.38 | nima | n3kl_, does it work? |
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| 05:40.51 | lkthomas | Supaplex, nope |
| 05:41.00 | lkthomas | Supaplex, I remove apache2.conf manually |
| 05:41.05 | lkthomas | but then it wouldn't install it again |
| 05:41.42 | Supaplex | lkthomas: oh, so you want the default config back. there's some trick to that, but last time I forgot I gave up and purged and reinstalled. |
| 05:41.48 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 05:41.54 | lkthomas | Supaplex, yeah |
| 05:42.15 | hark | !confmiss |
| 05:42.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 05:42.16 | Supaplex | it's by design. you yank a config, it stays byebye even after reinstall. |
| 05:42.32 | Supaplex | there ya go. |
| 05:42.37 | lkthomas | thanks hark |
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| 05:44.02 | unlink | what wrt replacement firmware do people recommend? |
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| 05:44.42 | orestyle9 | I am trying to get a mount (configured in fstab) to automount a network share. It is a cifs connection and it does mount when I do a mount -a. Any ideas? |
| 05:45.29 | hark | unlink: openwrt or dd-wrt for the web gui |
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| 05:50.03 | AbsentMinded | i tried to flash the firmware, but it failed. i tried to unbrick it. nothing worked. now its in little pieces. |
| 05:50.33 | orestyle9 | I am trying to get a mount (configured in fstab) to automount a network share. It is a cifs connection and it does mount when I do a mount -a. Any ideas? |
| 05:50.42 | unlink | the first thing i did when i got my NSLU2 was opening the case, taking wire cutters to it and snapping off a resister. |
| 05:51.12 | unlink | i was terrified of bricking the thing. |
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| 05:51.39 | dendrite | unlink: I used a soldering iron. :-) |
| 05:52.08 | unlink | dendrite: i didn't trust myself to |
| 05:52.12 | wastrel | what's NSLU2 now? |
| 05:52.20 | unlink | dendrite: opening the case was much harder than i expected! |
| 05:52.29 | unlink | wastrel: a tiny little NAS device from linksys |
| 05:52.41 | unlink | that runs on an Xscale and 32 MB of RAM |
| 05:52.48 | dendrite | wastrel: embedded NAS, you supply the external USB disk. |
| 05:52.50 | raf256 | Wyzard: oh my god, are you from the communist kingdom of Poland? which was the poorect coutryn in EU untill now (since EU expands by 2 more coutries)? |
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| 05:53.19 | dendrite | unlink: Makes a nice little personal server, and uses little power. |
| 05:53.42 | wastrel | and you can hax0r it to run lunix? |
| 05:53.47 | dendrite | wastrel: Makes a nice little personal server, and uses little power. |
| 05:53.53 | dendrite | wastrel: Yes. |
| 05:54.02 | wastrel | funish sounding. |
| 05:54.09 | unlink | dendrite: that it does. i use a kuro box for my regular server, nslu2 for arm development |
| 05:54.10 | wastrel | i am setting up my old crappy laptop to be my server |
| 05:54.16 | dendrite | wastrel: There are other arguably better NAS boxes to hack. |
| 05:54.19 | wastrel | so i can relieve my minitower of the job |
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| 05:54.26 | raf256 | Wyzard: what spam? |
| 05:54.29 | unlink | nslu2 is a total breeze to get set up. |
| 05:54.45 | dendrite | unlink: It's easier now than when I did it... |
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| 05:54.54 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 05:54.58 | dendrite | Damn Intel proprietary NIC. |
| 05:54.58 | wastrel | so you're saying i should get nslu2 to be my new server instead |
| 05:55.01 | unlink | dendrite: i bet, what did you go through? |
| 05:55.04 | unlink | dendrite: heh, sucks. |
| 05:55.07 | wastrel | mmmm and i would get to buy a new toy |
| 05:55.07 | eeyore- | looks like my job of ripping arccos-protected dvds has been made trivial :-) |
| 05:55.11 | wastrel | what's the downside? |
| 05:55.12 | eeyore- | (no, under linux, not windows) |
| 05:55.15 | raf256 | Wyzard: oh, sorry, I think I took you for someone else |
| 05:55.20 | unlink | wastrel: $70 |
| 05:55.22 | Wyzard | raf256: You tried to set a factoid in ##c++ saying that "retard" is defined as the president of Poland, and someone told you not to do that |
| 05:55.49 | dendrite | unlink: The NIC wasn't supported, so it was a hunt for a workable image. Plus the wiki had some confusing language (that I fixed) that didn't help. |
| 05:55.52 | eeyore- | Wyzard: well, you have to admit it's funny :-) |
| 05:56.07 | raf256 | Wyzard: the retard on that picture unfortunatelly actually is the president of poland; but I didnt say it here :) I was asking are you from Poland, but I think I misstook you for someone else |
| 05:56.08 | wastrel | sarge installed easy peasy |
| 05:56.11 | freakazoid0223 | that would be the president of the US anyways |
| 05:56.21 | eeyore- | freakazoid0223: that's his cousin |
| 05:56.50 | Wyzard | raf256: You must have mistaken me for someone else if you thought I'm from Poland, but considering the timing and the phrasing of your question, it sounds like more anti-Poland spam to me |
| 05:57.21 | unlink | dendrite: ah. |
| 05:57.31 | unlink | dendrite: well it's a snap nowadays ;) |
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| 05:58.10 | resistance | anyone here use two desktops? |
| 05:58.15 | resistance | or two monitors |
| 05:58.16 | dendrite | And at 266 it's not going win any races, but it's certainly enough for my domestic needs. |
| 05:58.35 | AbsentMinded | at the same time? |
| 05:58.44 | resistance | yes |
| 05:58.59 | ThePub | good evening |
| 05:59.01 | wastrel | 266 eh |
| 05:59.23 | dendrite | wastrel: Yep, it's designed to consume very little power. |
| 05:59.35 | dendrite | wastrel: It's fanless. The only noise is the disk. |
| 05:59.35 | wastrel | my old crappy laptop is 333 |
| 05:59.41 | wastrel | it does have a fan though |
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| 06:00.03 | orestyle9 | I am having problems with mounting network shares in fstab. Everything is works when I do a mount -a on the system after reboot |
| 06:00.18 | dendrite | wastrel: The point is that 266 is plenty of power for simple file serving, and personal mail tossing and the like. |
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| 06:00.45 | wastrel | what about filtering imagespam with ocr |
| 06:01.30 | dendrite | wastrel: That's not a lightweight process, so I'd expect the slug to choke. |
| 06:01.51 | unlink | dendrite: it's not the CPU. it's the ram that gets you. |
| 06:02.02 | dendrite | unlink: Both, I'd expect. |
| 06:02.14 | unlink | dendrite: those stranged "Killed." messages from ipkg are mighty confusing at first :) |
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| 06:02.24 | unlink | (of course they're not from ipkg at all) |
| 06:02.27 | wastrel | that's how they get ya! |
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| 06:02.36 | dendrite | unlink: OOM is a scary thing indeed. |
| 06:02.37 | n3kl_ | I need a new service to host. |
| 06:02.43 | dendrite | OOM Killer, I should say. |
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| 06:02.53 | unlink | dendrite: that's not the OOM killer. OOM killer is long gone. |
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| 06:02.58 | |dan| | hello |
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| 06:03.12 | unlink | dendrite: nowadays they just shoot off the process that tries to use more memory than is available |
| 06:03.23 | dendrite | unlink: Ah. Well it _was_ a scary thing. I haven't run out of memory in a while.. |
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| 06:03.43 | |dan| | does debian support reiserfs by default? |
| 06:04.00 | dendrite | unlink: I can see benefits to both approaches... |
| 06:04.01 | unlink | |dan|: cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 06:04.20 | unlink | dendrite: if you've ever read oom_killer.c from the linux kernel, it's completely hilarious |
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| 06:04.57 | dendrite | unlink: I haven't. I'll try to remember to dig up a copy. What kernel last included it? |
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| 06:06.36 | unlink | dendrite: it's still in there. |
| 06:06.46 | orestyle9 | I am having problems with mounting network shares in fstab. Everything is works when I do a mount -a on the system after reboot |
| 06:06.50 | unlink | dendrite: it's just not used for oom killing :) |
| 06:07.34 | dendrite | Ah, no wonder I couldn't find it. It's oom_kill.c |
| 06:07.41 | |dan| | unlink: i'm not running debian, running opensuse 10.1, but considering debian |
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| 06:08.13 | unlink | dendrite: right |
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| 06:10.19 | unlink | only linksys releases 2.06.1 |
| 06:10.25 | unlink | for the first version number... |
| 06:10.38 | |dan| | if I were to switch to debian right now on my amd x2 4400+ based system, would 4.0 be the best choice? |
| 06:11.24 | unlink | |dan|: It's a good choice. |
| 06:11.29 | |dan| | and could I preserve my reiserfs /home partition from my current opensuse 10.1 install? |
| 06:11.32 | dendrite | |dan|: Depends on what you're doing. |
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| 06:12.08 | unlink | |dan|: yes |
| 06:12.14 | dendrite | |dan|: Is this a non-mission critical system? If so, then etch/4.0 is a good bet. |
| 06:12.22 | |dan| | hmm... |
| 06:12.25 | wastrel | what's 4.0? |
| 06:12.30 | unlink | |dan|: d-i is very safe and non-destructive. |
| 06:12.31 | dendrite | wastrel: etch |
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| 06:13.06 | grendal_prime | so whats the best way to migrate from sarge to testing...the way i have done it so far is to just change my sourcelist entrys to etch and run an upgrade |
| 06:13.11 | wastrel | what's wrong with "etch" |
| 06:13.19 | |dan| | whats the easiest installation method? should i burn the DVD ISOs, or do a net install? |
| 06:13.24 | unlink | grendal_prime: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:13.31 | unlink | |dan|: net upgrade sounds like a reasonable choice |
| 06:13.35 | unlink | |dan|: net install |
| 06:13.44 | wastrel | i'm doing a net install right now <3 |
| 06:13.46 | wastrel | sarge tho |
| 06:13.50 | |dan| | net install is easy? |
| 06:13.57 | orestyle9 | anyone help with mounting network share through fstab? |
| 06:13.57 | wastrel | it is reasonably easy |
| 06:14.07 | dendrite | wastrel: Nothing is wrong with "etch." Since |dan| was using numeric versions, I followed his lead to facilitate understanding. |
| 06:14.09 | |dan| | ok. i assume there is a minimal ISO to download to start the net install? |
| 06:14.47 | wastrel | you are extremely solicitous dendrite, i was being rhetorical not specifically complaining about you :] |
| 06:15.09 | dendrite | wastrel: But there is a difference between 3.0 and 3.1, both of which are considered "Sarge." |
| 06:15.24 | orestyle9 | |dan|: you can get the business card or the net install. |
| 06:15.29 | wastrel | hrm |
| 06:15.56 | dendrite | wastrel: But your point is well taken, all the same. =) |
| 06:16.02 | unlink | i'd recommend net install |
| 06:16.12 | grendal_prime | unlink how is that diff |
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| 06:16.25 | unlink | you're likely to use it more than once, and you're going to have to install the base system anyway... |
| 06:16.26 | grendal_prime | and is that the exat verbage? |
| 06:17.33 | |dan| | why is the 64 bit version called ia64 instead of x86_64 ? |
| 06:18.21 | dendrite | !ia64 |
| 06:18.21 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 06:18.33 | |dan| | oh ok |
| 06:18.38 | |dan| | so completely different |
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| 06:19.06 | |dan| | so etch is an RC1 right now? |
| 06:19.16 | |dan| | and etch is the only way to go if I want 64-bit support? |
| 06:19.29 | unlink | you can always go sid :> |
| 06:19.32 | krazykit | not the /only/ way to go |
| 06:19.38 | krazykit | ach, beaten. |
| 06:19.40 | |dan| | and this is the current net install image for etch amd64 net install iso - http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 06:19.44 | |dan| | ? |
| 06:19.52 | unlink | krazykit: *grin* |
| 06:19.53 | |dan| | sid? is that a reasonable alternative? |
| 06:19.57 | wastrel | don't go sid |
| 06:19.59 | dendrite | |dan|: Dan, yeah, Sarge (older) doesn't do 64 bit, I don't think. And forget about Sid. |
| 06:20.02 | wastrel | it is not a reasonable alternative :] |
| 06:20.06 | |dan| | ok |
| 06:20.07 | unlink | |dan|: it might be. i use it on all my machines. |
| 06:20.10 | grendal_prime | dan im using etch right now and im very happy with it. |
| 06:20.23 | orestyle9 | there is no 64 bit with sarge? |
| 06:20.25 | |dan| | i've just got fed up with suse 10.1 |
| 06:20.29 | unlink | |dan|: occasionally you'll run into (sometimes severely) broken packages |
| 06:20.33 | |dan| | it sucks. there is some kind of kernel race issue... |
| 06:20.34 | wastrel | you guys know how to fix sid when it breaks. |
| 06:20.35 | grendal_prime | ya but your nic has krazy in it |
| 06:20.43 | |dan| | in the smp kernel |
| 06:20.50 | krazykit | grendal_prime: i used to run gentoo >_> |
| 06:21.06 | unlink | usually the best fix for sid is to wait a couple days and apt-get update&&apt-get upgrade |
| 06:21.09 | grendal_prime | wastrel: its considered unstable...im gonna say with a formate |
| 06:21.24 | wastrel | unless apt is broken. |
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| 06:21.28 | dendrite | unlink: Unless of course it's apt that's broken... |
| 06:21.42 | wastrel | <3 dendrite great minds thunk alike |
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| 06:22.17 | dendrite | =) |
| 06:22.31 | grendal_prime | unlink what is the advantage of using dist-upgrade as opposed to changing the sourcelist entries |
| 06:22.41 | |dan| | 64-bit is not essential for me... i'm running 32-bit right now... but i would like improved performance... especially for web browsing... think 64-bit will help me with that? |
| 06:22.47 | orestyle9 | how would I find weather I have the correct 64 bit version install on a system? |
| 06:23.06 | dendrite | grendal_prime: You'd need to edit sources.list in any case. dist-upgrade is more agressive, and will even remove packages to effect the upgrade. |
| 06:23.10 | unlink | dendrite: indeed |
| 06:23.16 | orestyle9 | or would the install not happen if incorrect version? |
| 06:23.36 | unlink | grendal_prime: you need to update /etc/apt/sources.list. dist-upgrade is an alternative to upgrade. |
| 06:24.13 | dendrite | |dan|: I doubt that 64 bit would speed web browsing. |
| 06:24.28 | dendrite | |dan|: More bits is mainly good for vector processing, such as image and video editing. |
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| 06:24.46 | |dan| | i see. well maybe i'm just doing something wrong |
| 06:24.49 | grendal_prime | dendrite: ive made the changes two the sourcelist already, now i can run the dist-upgrade correct? |
| 06:25.02 | |dan| | my web-browsing experience with linux has been so much slower than in windows |
| 06:25.11 | dendrite | grendal_prime: update, then upgrade, then dist-upgrade would be the canonical way... |
| 06:25.23 | |dan| | i can actually run opera under vmware in linux and get faster browsing than firefox in linux |
| 06:25.34 | |dan| | that is opera under windows in vmware |
| 06:25.35 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Though going straight through from update to dist-upgrade should work too. |
| 06:25.43 | wastrel | perhaps opera in lunix? |
| 06:25.48 | |dan| | tried that |
| 06:25.51 | |dan| | opera linux kind of sucks |
| 06:25.58 | |dan| | it was originally developed for windows |
| 06:25.59 | wastrel | i dunno, since i don't use windows i can't compare my browsing experience in lunix vs 'doze ;] |
| 06:26.18 | wastrel | satisfactory to my expectations anyway. |
| 06:26.27 | |dan| | well i think even firefox under windows in vmware is faster than firefox on linux |
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| 06:26.35 | unlink | the two chief advantages to 64 bit are that you can put big things in a single register (good for scientific computing), and that a single program can address a lot of memory (good for databases, etc) |
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| 06:26.46 | |dan| | the main speed difference is in tab switching... |
| 06:26.47 | wastrel | scientific computing eh |
| 06:26.54 | wastrel | are you a scientific computer mr unlink? |
| 06:27.01 | unlink | no, i am a human. |
| 06:27.03 | dendrite | unlink: And you forgot that you can then put a "64 bit" sticker on the case. |
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| 06:27.11 | |dan| | yeah i know the bit thing with 64-bit is more memory access... |
| 06:27.15 | |dan| | bit=big |
| 06:27.23 | unlink | dendrite: Believe it or not, you can put them on 32-bit computers too. It's a little-known hack. |
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| 06:27.35 | wastrel | forgive my poor language, i meant to ask whether you are a person involved in the field of scientifc computation |
| 06:27.37 | dendrite | unlink: Like "Type-R" ... |
| 06:27.40 | |dan| | but i've heard some people running windows x64 are getting some pretty nice speed boost in 64 bit Internet Explorer |
| 06:27.57 | unlink | dendrite: (Once I saw a Pentium II with a Core 2 Duo sticker on it. I was surprised it even booted!) |
| 06:28.04 | wastrel | exim is the default MTA in sarge th |
| 06:28.08 | grendal_prime | dendrite: well what im worried about right now is, i have already changed my sourcelists to etch, and run the update and retrieved the new repos info. now if i run dist-upgrade, is it going to pull dist upgrade me to sid? |
| 06:28.10 | krazykit | |dan|: along with gaping security holes. |
| 06:28.15 | unlink | wastrel: oh, i do scientific computing, yes. |
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| 06:28.20 | dendrite | unlink: Those must have been specially backward-compatible stickers. |
| 06:28.41 | dendrite | grendal_prime: No, it won't go anywhere that's not in your sources.list. |
| 06:28.46 | |dan| | krazykit: yeah i'm sure. but still... performance upgrade for 64-bit IE should equal the same for 64-bit mozilla/firefox |
| 06:28.59 | |dan| | or at least the potential for a speed increase |
| 06:29.08 | wastrel | unlink may i ask whether you are involved at all in computational biology or bioinformatics? |
| 06:29.11 | unlink | dendrite: Ahh, I heard about those. I was going to get one for my old T30 on eBay, but I didn't trust the seller... |
| 06:29.15 | grendal_prime | ok cool thanks |
| 06:29.16 | unlink | wastrel: i'm not |
| 06:29.30 | dendrite | I put a Type-R sticker on my Ford Minivan... Didn't really seem to make it go any faster though. |
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| 06:30.48 | orestyle9 | dendrite: wait till ford and toyota merge (maybe) then try the TRD stickers... |
| 06:31.43 | dendrite | orestyle9: That would be 1337 for sure. Of course I can't imagine any Japanese auto manufacturer touching Ford with a 10 meter pole... |
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| 06:32.10 | tenzing_ | hi , where is debian-multimedia these days? |
| 06:32.21 | dendrite | !debian_multimedia |
| 06:32.24 | orestyle9 | dendrite: I can see it now, if ford and toyota merge, then what next, honda and GM? |
| 06:32.25 | dendrite | Hmm. |
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| 06:32.58 | dendrite | tenzing_: I have it at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:34.04 | tenzing_ | dendrite: ok |
| 06:34.50 | mylogic | is "current" etch? |
| 06:34.59 | mylogic | (downlaoding minimal network install cd) |
| 06:35.09 | dendrite | mylogic: Current would be Sarge, still. |
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| 06:35.23 | mylogic | oh |
| 06:35.42 | dendrite | mylogic: As in stable. Etch is not stable yet. |
| 06:36.02 | orestyle9 | Are there any good tutorials on mounting network shares through fstab? |
| 06:36.05 | mylogic | dendrite: right, but as I hear it's the way to go -- am I overlooking it, I can't seem to find it |
| 06:36.38 | dendrite | Sec, lemme look |
| 06:36.39 | wastrel | "Thank you for choosing Debian! Setup of your Debian system is complete." |
| 06:36.46 | wastrel | teh wh00tx0rz |
| 06:36.50 | |dan| | hey, sarge has a stable smp kernel? |
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| 06:36.57 | cwheeler | I deleted my initrd.img by mistake how do i get apt-get to put it back? |
| 06:37.01 | mylogic | dendrite: nevermind I found it! thaks though, it was under testing |
| 06:37.29 | dendrite | cwheeler: Look for a program called mkinitrd. |
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| 06:38.36 | grendal_prime | dendrite: im doing this dist-upgrade via remote, whats the odds of the ssh not comming up incorrect? |
| 06:38.46 | tenzing_ | dendrite: is it still there? |
| 06:38.50 | cwheeler | i have to make a new one? |
| 06:38.50 | grendal_prime | not comming up correct that is |
| 06:39.23 | dendrite | grendal_prime: I have no idea what the odds are... I can understand your concern however. |
| 06:39.29 | dendrite | tenzing_: Is what still where? |
| 06:39.42 | grendal_prime | its in the garage, |
| 06:39.46 | grendal_prime | its cold there |
| 06:39.48 | tenzing_ | dendrite: i mean debian-multimedia |
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| 06:39.55 | tenzing_ | dendrite: i am not able to install xmms-wma |
| 06:40.02 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Heh. At least it's not a colo across some ocean... |
| 06:40.03 | grendal_prime | its also the router for this connection im using now...i guess we will find out |
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| 06:40.35 | grendal_prime | its also a pent 200 |
| 06:40.44 | grendal_prime | maybe a 266 |
| 06:41.07 | grendal_prime | but i think its a 200 (im not shitting you on that) |
| 06:41.11 | |dan| | anyone run the smp kernel on sarge? is there such a thing? |
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| 06:41.27 | grendal_prime | dan ya i run that on a box at work |
| 06:41.30 | grendal_prime | it works fine |
| 06:41.40 | dendrite | tenzing_: I see xmms-wma in unstable... |
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| 06:42.56 | |dan| | cool. no problems with keypresses randomly generating multiple letters? |
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| 06:44.08 | dendrite | grendal_prime: My router used to be a Cyrix 166. :-) |
| 06:44.36 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Then I went and hacked up a WRT54G. :-) |
| 06:44.37 | grendal_prime | |dan|: ?? on the smp kernel? not on my machine. it runs peachy ... |
| 06:45.07 | |dan| | cool. |
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| 06:45.32 | |dan| | i'm running 2.6.16.21-0.25-smp on opensuse 10.1 and i get odd keyboard repeating problems |
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| 06:45.55 | grendal_prime | hehe dendrite ya ive heard alot of people do that nowdays. Ive also seen several on my desk that are not done right...and are bricked. |
| 06:45.56 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 06:46.20 | dendrite | grendal_prime: Yep, bricking is definitely an option with those... |
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| 06:46.46 | grendal_prime | |dan|: suse is ....&****%^ ...dont even get me started on suse. |
| 06:46.59 | wastrel | remember when the installer asked if you wanted to set up shadow passwords? |
| 06:47.00 | wastrel | ahh |
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| 06:47.19 | grendal_prime | stay plenty clear of that distro...MS may wind up owning that ...el pieceOShitO |
| 06:47.23 | |dan| | haha. ok :) |
| 06:47.27 | wastrel | so i just finished installing the base system - there are always a myriad of little packages that i want to install. which ones am i forgetting right now? |
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| 06:47.40 | grendal_prime | excuse my mexifornian on that. |
| 06:47.41 | |dan| | well i'm relatively new to Linux, so it was my first install on my home machine. |
| 06:47.41 | dendrite | wastrel: vim? |
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| 06:48.15 | |dan| | from my research, novell seems to have one of the distributions that is most able to handle a corporate environment |
| 06:48.26 | grendal_prime | i have high hopes they will develop the xgl desktop...perfect it, opensource it, and go belly up. |
| 06:48.31 | |dan| | novell has a lot of experience with things like LDAP and enterprise server applicatioons |
| 06:48.34 | |dan| | applications... |
| 06:48.35 | grendal_prime | but thats all i want from suse... |
| 06:49.27 | mylogic | if I downloaded the netinsta cd image onto a DVD, it would still work fine, right? |
| 06:49.36 | mylogic | I don't have any blank cds, just dvds, heh |
| 06:49.40 | grendal_prime | yep, that they do, i dont like the way they do business, i dont like any of the cne's i met and or worked with, and mostly..the thing i dont like... |
| 06:49.57 | dendrite | mylogic: Good question. |
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| 06:50.18 | mylogic | I guess I might have to figure this one out by trial and error, heh |
| 06:51.02 | wastrel | you can burn the cd image to a dvd |
| 06:51.14 | grendal_prime | i have had problems with these thre orgs, novel, suse(just talking in the irc chat rooms is frustrating) and ms. So imagin my suprise the last month when i read that novel and ms were working together to bring together the Linux Ms os. |
| 06:51.15 | wastrel | i haven't done it but i have seen that question asked & answered :] |
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| 06:51.43 | orestyle9 | grendal_prime: ya, they lost there samba guy over it... |
| 06:52.33 | grendal_prime | if i was working for suse i would have taken a big dump on my desk and left |
| 06:52.50 | Vannoda | anyoenknow if there a C lnguage support channel here? |
| 06:53.02 | liable | ##c |
| 06:53.16 | grendal_prime | suse...jesushchrist on a popcyclestick. what the hell is the name of that system administration app they have?? |
| 06:53.18 | orestyle9 | grendal_prime: not sure why, but the creator of SUSe actually came back after being gone for something like five years. I was looking at using suse but then choose debian |
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| 06:53.42 | orestyle9 | yast? |
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| 06:53.46 | grendal_prime | yaaaaa |
| 06:53.49 | grendal_prime | that fkn thing |
| 06:53.53 | grendal_prime | what a nightmare. |
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| 06:54.31 | wastrel | hm my old crappy laptop doesn't power down when i shut down |
| 06:54.37 | grendal_prime | reinventing the entire rpm management and screwing it up right from the getgo...first off by hiding the config files |
| 06:54.48 | wastrel | is this something i can rectify in software? |
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| 06:56.25 | grendal_prime | i ask in the #yast where the configs were for it, so i could get a better idea of what the heck it was trying to do...they said it was in an undisclosed location, and "we dont care how it does what it does, just that it does what it does correctly" talk about an opensouce joke |
| 06:56.51 | |dan| | http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8333917561.html |
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| 06:57.10 | |dan| | i just read that article about the novell samba dev |
| 06:57.52 | krazykit | wastrel: probably not, unless shutdown is calling the wrong shutdown command. modern systems use acpi to shut down... dunno about an old crappy laptop :=/ |
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| 06:58.55 | orestyle9 | |dan|: Ya, I thought I read it in one of my tech mags, but not sure which one.... |
| 06:59.08 | wastrel | acpi eh it is a bit of a wunderkind |
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| 07:00.29 | |dan| | this is interesting http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS3128387759.html |
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| 07:00.42 | krazykit | 00:37 <+mrk> MACKY IS GHEY |
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| 07:03.55 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:04.22 | grendal_prime | this seems like a stupid thing to enable yet the default is Yes? |
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| 07:04.49 | |dan| | what is the best solution for x86 emulation under linux with support for usb 2.0? |
| 07:04.51 | mylogic | yeah, that is a bit odd of a defailt |
| 07:04.53 | orestyle9 | |dan|: great... I wonder what types of ramifications will come from that? But I personally like the system not moving fast at all, and system works great as is... |
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| 07:05.49 | |dan| | prestyle: maybe so. 64-bit support seems important tho... |
| 07:05.53 | grendal_prime | |dan|: i use kqemu |
| 07:05.58 | grendal_prime | its pretty damn fast |
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| 07:06.15 | |dan| | grendal_prime: and it runs windows? |
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| 07:06.21 | grendal_prime | yep |
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| 07:06.48 | |dan| | grendal_prime: cool. |
| 07:06.51 | orestyle9 | |dan|: I agree, seems it will be fully supported in Etch. I have dual amd64s on a system running sarge. so far so good. |
| 07:07.21 | grendal_prime | in etch, you can set it up so that it fires that up using minimal window manager so it doesnt load anything up but x and then fires up the windows emulator, then you can hardly tell its emulated |
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| 07:07.32 | grendal_prime | one a 2000 install anyway |
| 07:07.43 | grendal_prime | xp, different beast...its a fkn hog |
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| 07:08.02 | |dan| | cool |
| 07:08.33 | Ilovemypuppy | is the bigmem kernel for >1g or for >4g or more? |
| 07:08.43 | grendal_prime | ya our it guys didnt even know it was an emulated os, i ran it in full screen and they didnt have a clue. |
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| 07:09.24 | |dan| | lol. nice |
| 07:09.26 | grendal_prime | but ummm kqemu is not opensource so you know. and you will have to compile for your kernel. |
| 07:09.47 | grendal_prime | but its actually pretty damn easy |
| 07:09.49 | |dan| | really? not open source? well i'm running vmware server right now and its not either |
| 07:10.33 | grendal_prime | its free, its just not opensource, and im sure there is some sort of snafus you could get into if you were bundleing it with software you were developing yourself. |
| 07:10.39 | |dan| | i see |
| 07:10.52 | sep | grendal_prime, i thought you just compiled the kqemu kernel module using module-assistant. |
| 07:11.01 | grendal_prime | or you know flat out selling it as a solution |
| 07:11.03 | |dan| | anyone tried vmware esx server? |
| 07:11.14 | sep | |dan|, probably yes |
| 07:11.24 | |dan| | it looks like it is an OS! |
| 07:11.27 | grendal_prime | ya sep but thats not the best version, i just download the one from the website, it works easy enough |
| 07:11.48 | grendal_prime | dan it is...guess which one |
| 07:11.54 | sep | |dan|, ity comes on a bootable cd and installes a RH derived OS with just esx on it |
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| 07:13.06 | |dan| | linux? |
| 07:13.08 | |dan| | lol |
| 07:13.11 | |dan| | wow |
| 07:13.13 | grendal_prime | yep |
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| 07:13.45 | |dan| | i think a lot of people will be running something similar in the future |
| 07:13.55 | Ilovemypuppy | nvm |
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| 07:13.57 | grendal_prime | they do have a nice mangement console though you have to give them that...but some of the new tools ive seen for managing kqemu..give it a run for its money |
| 07:14.06 | Ilovemypuppy | I love the debian bare install by the way, so fast and east |
| 07:14.08 | |dan| | esx server on the local machine and pop in your own os image on a flash disk |
| 07:14.09 | Ilovemypuppy | easy |
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| 07:15.28 | grendal_prime | i like vm stuff for dev and testing, but dude alot of companys are starting to impliment to "optimize there servers" to me that means there code was shitty to begin with |
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| 07:16.36 | sep | |dan|, esx dont realy give you must point unless you also get vmware control center, and vmware vmotion, |
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| 07:17.11 | |dan| | sep: really? how come? it seems to me like a base OS that is just dedicated to emulation has a lot of potential |
| 07:17.11 | sep | |dan|, can move running virtual guests between your virtual hosts while they are running. |
| 07:17.22 | |dan| | sep: wow. thats cool. |
| 07:17.33 | sep | |dan|, you can do that in vmware server for free, |
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| 07:17.57 | grendal_prime | ya but in all honesty its nothing special, ive moved running qemu images between two linux boxes and the worked fine |
| 07:18.04 | |dan| | sep: yeah kind of... but esx is like a linux distro set up specifically for that |
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| 07:18.12 | sep | grendal_prime, realy ? didnt know it could do that |
| 07:18.40 | grendal_prime | its just a file, you copy that bastard, when it gets to the new location, its the same file, |
| 07:18.41 | sep | |dan|, yes i guess it reduces the percived complexity |
| 07:18.43 | wastrel | all this sounds very arcane and fancy |
| 07:18.51 | wastrel | i don't know anything about virtual servers |
| 07:19.05 | |dan| | 'copy that bastard' lol |
| 07:19.09 | grendal_prime | wastrel: its actually pretty simple when it comes down to it. |
| 07:19.09 | sep | grendal_prime, and you can do that while it's running and the moved server retains all connections sessions and everything ? |
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| 07:19.39 | grendal_prime | sep: if they are on the same network, why would they not. |
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| 07:20.33 | grendal_prime | i imagin things could get sticky, in some enviros, but seriously, the specs ive read on esx point out that, you will have to shut down the virtual servers in alot of instances |
| 07:20.47 | grendal_prime | when moving them |
| 07:20.58 | grendal_prime | and especially when copying them |
| 07:21.12 | |dan| | esx supposedly can run multiple mac addresses on a single NIC afaict |
| 07:21.12 | linux_jones | what works better for usb storage? msc or mtp? |
| 07:21.18 | sep | grendal_prime, thats the whole point of vmotion |
| 07:21.19 | |dan| | based on their marketing 'features' |
| 07:21.44 | sep | not having to stop them that is |
| 07:22.14 | grendal_prime | |dan| you can do that witha default install of debian..sarge even |
| 07:22.14 | grendal_prime | as well as set up one nic with multiple ip addresses (via iptables) |
| 07:22.30 | |dan| | really? multiple mac addresses? i didn't realize that. |
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| 07:22.47 | |dan| | i knew about the multiple ip addresses... i think thats actually a feature of the kernel and does not require iptables |
| 07:23.39 | grendal_prime | well ive dont it with iptables. as far as the mac addresses, there are several apps that alow you to chage that info..or atlest instruct the os to report it as something else. |
| 07:23.41 | wastrel | csma/cd |
| 07:24.16 | grendal_prime | qemu works good, kqemu is amazing i think |
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| 07:25.57 | |dan| | yeah... ifconfig eth0 hw ether <new mac address> should do it... |
| 07:26.06 | |dan| | but i guess i didn't realize that could be done on 'virtual' NICs |
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| 07:42.00 | Gokee2 | Hello all I am having a problem with apt-get update. It seems to stall on "99% [7 Sources bzip2 0]". Can anyone tell me why? could it be something to do with "APT::Cache-Limit 200000000;"? I have this problem on both my laptop and my desktop |
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| 07:44.00 | Chaos|Debian | anyone around? |
| 07:44.55 | sep | !tell Chaos|Debian about ask |
| 07:46.15 | Chaos|Debian | alright, well, I have a friend running knoppix, he had windows installed prior, he installed knoppix and installed grub to the mbr, but when it tries to load grub it has errors and he now can only boot off the knoppix CD |
| 07:46.38 | schme | And he wants to install Debian ... ? |
| 07:46.40 | Chaos|Debian | I told him to boot knoppix, chroot to his root partition, apt-get remove grub, and apt-get install lilo, and to try lilo |
| 07:46.46 | ApEtc | !knoppix |
| 07:46.46 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 07:46.49 | Chaos|Debian | it's the same package management system |
| 07:47.02 | kgoetz | lol. |
| 07:47.14 | sep | Chaos|Debian, but different packages so what we told you would most likely break his system permanently |
| 07:47.16 | Chaos|Debian | the distro is irrelevent |
| 07:47.28 | sid | Chaos|Debian: no it isn't |
| 07:47.40 | sep | Chaos|Debian, why is it so hard to ask questions in the correct channels ? |
| 07:47.41 | schme | It is also the same machine code that windows runs on... ? |
| 07:47.47 | sid | Chaos|Debian: /join #knoppix |
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| 07:48.33 | Gokee2 | Chaos|Debian, People here won`t help you. When I used knoppix I found the kanotix people helpfull and of cource #knoppix is where you should be |
| 07:49.04 | Chaos|Debian | well no one is answering in knoppix, but there is no reason that lilo would break his system |
| 07:49.21 | Gokee2 | course* |
| 07:49.28 | sep | Chaos|Debian, i'd rater fix grub then mess with lilo again. |
| 07:49.32 | Chaos|Debian | look when he chroots to his partition and tries to use apt there are write errors |
| 07:49.42 | Chaos|Debian | sep, it's an older system though |
| 07:49.51 | Gokee2 | I had a lot of them when I used knoppix |
| 07:50.07 | Chaos|Debian | I've only used lilo on this machine, it's 7 years old |
| 07:50.28 | Gokee2 | Chaos|Debian, Switch him to pure debian then come back :) |
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| 07:51.02 | Chaos|Debian | I would if I could, but he's a wuss |
| 07:51.07 | dimir | Mornink! |
| 07:52.15 | schme | Sometimes I get an urge to join #ubuntu and #knoppix and ask questions about running unstable and/or experimental |
| 07:53.03 | sep | schme, they'd just tell you to join #debian so why bother :) |
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| 07:54.53 | Chaos|Debian | one day I'll get my friend to use sid |
| 07:54.55 | schme | Hehehe. |
| 07:55.22 | Chaos|Debian | he flips out when he has to use a command line though, he's not ready for Debian |
| 07:55.38 | Chaos|Debian | even an install with gnome wouldn't be friendly enough for him |
| 07:55.50 | schme | I hardly ever use the command line with my debian.. |
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| 07:56.41 | Chaos|Debian | I find it faster and easier for most things |
| 07:56.51 | Chaos|Debian | i don't need the extra CPU and memory devoted to crap |
| 07:57.03 | schme | Chaos|Debian: Maybe you should install KDE for him. |
| 07:57.04 | Cope57 | any suggestions for a tutorial for nvidia drivers for a AMD64 Debian etch? |
| 07:57.21 | schme | Chaos|Debian: To what crap .. ? |
| 07:57.33 | Wyzard | !tell Cope57 about nvidia one-liner |
| 07:57.42 | Cope57 | ? |
| 07:57.46 | takisd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.55 | Chaos|Debian | schme, IRC, web browsing, any other chatting, file editing, programming, compiling |
| 07:58.03 | Chaos|Debian | slashem :P |
| 07:58.10 | schme | Chaos|Debian: I do all that in emacs. |
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| 07:58.16 | Chaos|Debian | my doppleganger monk will pwn you |
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| 07:58.27 | Chaos|Debian | pfft it's all about vim |
| 07:58.29 | schme | I am quite sure she would, ya (: |
| 07:58.30 | takisd | any way to list the modules compiled into a kernel |
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| 07:58.47 | Chaos|Debian | modprobe -l |
| 07:59.02 | Chaos|Debian | might want to add | less after it |
| 07:59.04 | Chaos|Debian | it might be long |
| 07:59.05 | schme | Chaos|Debian: Just saying I don't find any need for the command line (; |
| 07:59.18 | Chaos|Debian | I'm stingy with my CPU and RAM |
| 07:59.21 | schme | with the occassional M-x shell tho. |
| 07:59.40 | Cope57 | 2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 07:59.41 | Chaos|Debian | hell I go between wmii and xfce4 when I feel like using a lot of memory |
| 07:59.45 | Chaos|Debian | hah |
| 08:00.03 | schme | ...why start X in the first place >< |
| 08:00.05 | Chaos|Debian | eh 2.6.18 had issues with alsa |
| 08:00.34 | Chaos|Debian | schme, to avoid local vulnerability of someone walking up to the computer and toying with it |
| 08:00.42 | Chaos|Debian | irssi in a tty you can't lock |
| 08:00.55 | Chaos|Debian | startx -- :1 & logout |
| 08:01.00 | schme | irssi :S |
| 08:01.13 | Chaos|Debian | and then any terminals within X you can just lock with xlock from somewhere else |
| 08:01.16 | Chaos|Debian | xlock & exit |
| 08:01.18 | takisd | modprobe -l gave me what looks like all the available modules. i was after the modules that have been compiled in the kernel with the Y option as opposed to loadable modules (hope this makes sense) |
| 08:01.18 | Chaos|Debian | :P |
| 08:01.23 | schme | Makes sense, ya. |
| 08:01.34 | Chaos|Debian | takisd, those aren't modules |
| 08:01.45 | Chaos|Debian | it's a module when compiled outside the kernel |
| 08:01.47 | takisd | no, i guess not |
| 08:01.51 | Chaos|Debian | when you include it it's part of the kernel |
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| 08:01.54 | takisd | of course - sorry |
| 08:02.01 | schme | Chaos|Debian: you could run it all in screen, detach, and logout. |
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| 08:02.19 | takisd | ok, can i query what has been included into the kernel |
| 08:02.34 | Chaos|Debian | if you want the config file you can either depending on what options you configuring to include, go to /proc/config.gz or you can go to the kernel source directory and look for the config file |
| 08:02.44 | Chaos|Debian | I think it's /proc/config.gz |
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| 08:02.53 | Chaos|Debian | I don't feel like checking the kernel for it right now |
| 08:02.57 | takisd | of course - forgot about that... |
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| 08:03.11 | takisd | i'll check the config... |
| 08:03.19 | Chaos|Debian | check it for what? |
| 08:03.19 | takisd | thanks for the kick |
| 08:03.26 | Chaos|Debian | what are you looking for? |
| 08:04.06 | takisd | i'm comparing 2 lsmod outputs from 2 different kernels |
| 08:04.06 | takisd | i know that one of them has a number of modules built into the kernel so i;'m trying to exclude them from the comparison |
| 08:04.33 | Chaos|Debian | anything you don't need to boot and have the option of making a module, make a module |
| 08:04.50 | Chaos|Debian | and unless you want to do extra work, just make your root file system type included in |
| 08:05.02 | Chaos|Debian | most everything else can be a module if it's got the option |
| 08:05.13 | Chaos|Debian | it'll be a smaller kernel and boot faster and if you need it modprobe it in |
| 08:05.14 | takisd | ok... thanks... trying to make A SMALL KERNEL FOR MY LAPTOP |
| 08:05.51 | Chaos|Debian | how small? |
| 08:06.20 | Chaos|Debian | my kernels are usually about 1MB |
| 08:06.25 | Chaos|Debian | :P |
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| 08:07.39 | takisd | oh... thats small - not that small |
| 08:08.06 | takisd | didn't think i could get it that small |
| 08:08.10 | Chaos|Debian | make anything you don't need to boot a module |
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| 08:08.45 | takisd | done... i'll try it again |
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| 08:10.23 | takisd | recompiling now... i'll see how i go... thanks for your help |
| 08:10.31 | Chaos|Debian | no problem |
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| 08:12.20 | mylogic | Does anyone know why (after installing Etch, then it going through the reboot) my TravelMate 8104's screen would just go black? |
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| 08:12.52 | sep | mylogic, where does it go black ? perhaps it dislikes framebuffer ? |
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| 08:14.18 | mylogic | sep: it goes through the initial bootup, then I guess when it is about to start the graphical login, it goes black |
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| 08:14.34 | mylogic | sep: how might I go about changing something that would be causing this? |
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| 08:15.06 | sep | mylogic, kernel boot arguments, done in the grub boot screen |
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| 08:16.10 | cwheeler | what runlevel doesn't run the X server other than single user? |
| 08:16.55 | sep | mylogic, first try should be vga=771 , then try nofb, |
| 08:17.21 | sep | and then acpi=off |
| 08:17.31 | mylogic | sep: that's all on the kernel line, correct |
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| 08:18.33 | cwheeler | or how can i kill X and still be in multi-user mode? |
| 08:19.44 | mylogic | sep: the vga=771 didn't work, I am guessing it might be something with xorg, because I just hit control-alt-backspace and it sent me back to prompt |
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| 08:21.53 | Chaos|Debian | a bug? in X11? no way |
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| 08:23.13 | cwheeler | i just want to run multi-user without X for a bit |
| 08:23.20 | cwheeler | i didn't say anything about a bug |
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| 08:35.03 | tuv | cwheeler, invoke-rc.d gdm stop |
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| 08:35.37 | tuv | cwheeler, there is not default runlevel without X other than single (1). you can setup one though using update-rc.d |
| 08:36.16 | tuv | cwheeler, of course given X is installed |
| 08:36.48 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 08:37.05 | cwheeler | what's the name of kernel source .deb? |
| 08:37.06 | ThePub | can just disable it in 2, eh? |
| 08:37.26 | cwheeler | i just want to install nvidia drivers |
| 08:37.54 | ThePub | cwheeler: linux-source-<version> |
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| 08:38.13 | ThePub | that's the actual source, not headers. |
| 08:38.24 | cwheeler | right i need a source tree |
| 08:38.31 | ThePub | then that's what you want. |
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| 08:38.53 | mylogic | sep: woo woo, I figured out my problem |
| 08:39.05 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 08:39.25 | tuv | cwheeler, oh.. you're using nvidia's .bin :( |
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| 08:40.00 | tuv | cwheeler, you don't need the source, do you? i think the headers are enough |
| 08:40.03 | ThePub | nvidia driver can't work with just the headers? |
| 08:40.12 | tuv | cwheeler, btw, there are debian packages for nvidia |
| 08:40.20 | cwheeler | it wants to compile a kernel module |
| 08:40.28 | cwheeler | i didn't find one for the drivers |
| 08:40.29 | ThePub | you only need headers for that |
| 08:40.41 | tuv | cwheeler, you can always compile a module against the headers only |
| 08:40.42 | cwheeler | how do I install the headers then? |
| 08:41.02 | tuv | cwheeler, which debian are you running? stable, testing or unstable |
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| 08:41.23 | cwheeler | testing, etch |
| 08:41.27 | tuv | cwheeler, and do you have 'contrib non-free' in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 08:42.12 | cwheeler | no where do i find the syntax to add it tuv? |
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| 08:42.27 | tuv | cwheeler, last i checked, nvidia stuff was not in testing. you can get it from unstable (or maybe experimental if you really want a more recent version) |
| 08:42.47 | cwheeler | actually i need the legacy nvidia driver |
| 08:42.54 | tuv | cwheeler, just append them to any deb line, with a space before them |
| 08:43.03 | cwheeler | how do i get stuff from a different version? |
| 08:43.04 | tuv | cwheeler, yeah.. it's all there |
| 08:43.15 | tuv | cwheeler, simplest answer: packages.debian.org |
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| 08:44.28 | horror_vacui | How was that again, how do I find out what package a certain command belongs to? |
| 08:44.32 | cwheeler | how do i install the kernel headers? |
| 08:44.36 | horror_vacui | (i.e. it's about dig) |
| 08:44.39 | karsten | horror_vacui: dpkg -L <file> |
| 08:44.46 | tuv | cwheeler, ok.. it seems nvidia stuff is back in testing. no need to go to unstable |
| 08:44.52 | horror_vacui | karsten: Yeah, that's it, thanks... |
| 08:44.57 | karsten | horror_vacui: ... er, dpkg -s <file> |
| 08:45.05 | karsten | horror_vacui: '-L' lists files in a package. |
| 08:45.07 | tuv | cwheeler, just add 'contrib non-free' (without the quotes) to your deb lines in sources.list |
| 08:45.08 | cwheeler | i don't understand how to add 'contrib non-free' |
| 08:45.34 | tuv | cwheeler, paste any deb line from your sources.list |
| 08:45.39 | horror_vacui | karsten: No, -s is "No-act" |
| 08:45.57 | cwheeler | diff machine just a sec |
| 08:47.27 | horror_vacui | karsten: Ah yes, it's -S |
| 08:47.29 | tuv | and install the package 'linux-headers-<your-kernel-version/arch...etc>' for the kernel headers |
| 08:47.43 | tuv | cwheeler, and install the package 'linux-headers-<your-kernel-version/arch...etc>' for the kernel headers |
| 08:47.56 | tuv | cwheeler, e.g. linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 08:48.09 | cwheeler | thanks I nfs mounted the local dir read only |
| 08:48.51 | cwheeler | oops i screwed up i'll have the line in a min |
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| 08:49.30 | cwheeler | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:49.30 | cwheeler | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 08:50.04 | tuv | cwheeler, -> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 08:50.44 | tuv | cwheeler, main, contrib and non-free are sections in the etch distribution of debian |
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| 08:51.05 | sid | Anyone using sid and got gnome 2.16 from exp? If so, how did it go. Did gnome boot up after the upgrade? |
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| 08:52.23 | cwheeler | I get an error "W: Couldn't stat source package list..." |
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| 08:52.29 | cwheeler | can I paste it in a message? |
| 08:52.39 | sid | !tell cwheeler about paste |
| 08:52.49 | sid | cwheeler: www.rafb.net/paste use that, make a url, and give it to us. |
| 08:52.52 | tuv | cwheeler, just apt-get update |
| 08:54.02 | cwheeler | that will fix it? |
| 08:54.25 | tuv | yes |
| 08:54.47 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 08:54.55 | tuv | cwheeler, you're getting this message because sources.list doesn't match the cached lists |
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| 08:55.48 | cwheeler | and apt-get update updates the cached lists? |
| 08:56.22 | ThePub | syncs against the list |
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| 08:56.41 | ThePub | (ie updates your cache) |
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| 08:57.17 | mylogic | hmm, I supposively need ipw2200 loaded to get my wireless working, how can I check to see if that module has been enabled or is compiled into the kernel already? or none of the above? |
| 08:57.38 | liable | mylogic: modprobe -l |grep ipw |
| 08:57.45 | liable | it should be there |
| 08:57.55 | sid | mylogic: Can you put the output of "lspci" on www.rafb.net/paste |
| 08:57.58 | liable | just need the firmware |
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| 08:59.01 | mylogic | sid: it's an Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG rev 5 |
| 08:59.08 | mylogic | I just need to get this badboy working now :D |
| 08:59.23 | tuv | mylogic, if you're running testing (etch) or above, just get the firmware off ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php |
| 08:59.41 | mylogic | yeah, I am using etch |
| 08:59.42 | tuv | mylogic, if ipw2200 works with 2915 that is |
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| 09:02.20 | mylogic | tuv: though when I do the modprobe -l | grep ipw, I see three things listed |
| 09:02.21 | cwheeler | after I install nvidia stuff I need different libglut and some other stuff? |
| 09:02.32 | mylogic | does this mean the modules are already installed? |
| 09:02.44 | liable | it means they are *available* |
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| 09:03.42 | mylogic | oh! hmm, alright, would you mind helping me walk through this firmware installation (kind of new to the whole thing ;x) |
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| 09:04.25 | liable | get it from the sourceforge site, put it in /lib/firmware. wuzzah! |
| 09:04.26 | mylogic | I can't figure out which of these I need |
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| 09:04.43 | kalila | err I installed this Joe's editor |
| 09:05.00 | mylogic | I went to the ipw2200 page, but there is a list of all the different firmwares |
| 09:05.01 | tuv | cwheeler, your nvidia kernel module package and nvidia-glx have to have matching versions. if that's not the case, get them with matching version from unstable |
| 09:05.01 | kalila | it has made itself the default editor for less's v option |
| 09:05.05 | mylogic | I guess just get the newest one? |
| 09:05.12 | kalila | I thought this shouldn't happen with debian packages |
| 09:05.15 | liable | mylogic: so read there faq? |
| 09:05.34 | tuv | kalila, update-alternatives --config editor as root |
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| 09:06.03 | cwheeler | flightgear is still complaining it can't use direct rendering |
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| 09:06.54 | kadk | what permission can you give to a user if you want him to just download and not modify and delete? |
| 09:07.51 | blondie | kadk: no can do |
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| 09:08.04 | ThePub | kadk: if a person can write they can modify |
| 09:08.18 | blondie | you can do that on Windows (NTFS) but not on linux |
| 09:08.25 | blondie | at least, you can stop them deleting |
| 09:08.33 | ThePub | blondie: actually, you can with extended permissions. |
| 09:08.43 | blondie | right |
| 09:08.51 | ThePub | blondie: you can have that on linux too. |
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| 09:08.55 | kadk | im saying, i just want him to just download off it |
| 09:09.02 | blondie | ThePub: dont think so. |
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| 09:09.16 | blondie | kadk: you mean *from* it? |
| 09:09.16 | tuv | cwheeler, did restart X? |
| 09:09.30 | kadk | and yeah, im talkin about directory |
| 09:09.33 | kadk | and user account |
| 09:09.36 | cwheeler | no i was thinking that might be my mistake |
| 09:09.42 | kadk | is 400 enough? |
| 09:10.00 | blondie | kadk: theres no permissions that will allow that |
| 09:10.12 | kadk | im talkin about chmod and chown here |
| 09:10.25 | blondie | you can either allowing downloading AND modifying AND deleting, or none of them |
| 09:10.30 | kadk | when you download, what do you do? |
| 09:10.30 | blondie | -ing |
| 09:10.36 | kadk | read right? |
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| 09:10.40 | blondie | no |
| 09:10.46 | kadk | what then |
| 09:10.48 | blondie | you create files/modify them |
| 09:10.55 | kadk | i see |
| 09:11.12 | kadk | well, i don't want him to delete anything |
| 09:11.14 | blondie | assuming you mean download them TO the machine, not FROM it |
| 09:11.15 | kadk | that's why |
| 09:11.24 | blondie | which do you mean? |
| 09:11.33 | tuv | cwheeler, before you do that |
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| 09:11.37 | kadk | ok |
| 09:11.41 | blondie | ... |
| 09:11.49 | tuv | cwheeler, make sure the nvidia kernel module package and nvidia-glx have the same version |
| 09:11.50 | kadk | let me explain |
| 09:12.24 | kadk | im trying to setup an ftp so this user can try and download my files |
| 09:12.37 | kadk | but |
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| 09:12.45 | kadk | i don't want him to delete anything |
| 09:12.50 | kadk | or modify |
| 09:12.54 | blondie | I see |
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| 09:13.01 | blondie | well then you just need read access |
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| 09:13.05 | kadk | in other words, i don't want him to mess my shit up |
| 09:13.06 | blondie | but ftp is not secure |
| 09:13.06 | tuv | short form: read-only access |
| 09:13.08 | blondie | !ftp |
| 09:13.08 | dpkg | ftp is, like, (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 09:13.14 | cwheeler | how do i check them tuv? |
| 09:13.26 | tuv | cwheeler, dpkg -l <package-name> |
| 09:14.06 | kadk | blondie, i tried read-only, which is "400", but it doesn't work |
| 09:14.12 | kadk | it wont let him download anything |
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| 09:14.24 | blondie | he needs to have permission |
| 09:14.33 | tuv | cwheeler, btw, did you get the legacy kernel module or the other one? |
| 09:14.35 | blondie | unless he is using your username, that wont work. |
| 09:14.40 | blondie | you just gave yourself read only |
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| 09:14.45 | kadk | you mean directory permission? |
| 09:14.54 | blondie | no |
| 09:14.57 | kadk | yes, he's using one of my usernames |
| 09:15.03 | blondie | but which? |
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| 09:15.08 | cwheeler | the legacy modules and lib because it's an old card |
| 09:15.12 | blondie | I think you need to read up on unix permissions |
| 09:15.15 | cwheeler | i already looked at the nvidia site |
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| 09:15.34 | tuv | cwheeler, ok.. do the versions match? |
| 09:15.36 | kadk | the owner of the folder is the username he's using |
| 09:15.53 | kadk | im using winscp by the way, not ftp |
| 09:15.55 | tuv | cwheeler, what lib? |
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| 09:16.37 | cwheeler | nvidia-glx-leg 1.0.7184-3 |
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| 09:17.35 | blondie | kadk: well... do they have permission to the directory? |
| 09:18.08 | tuv | cwheeler, what about the nvidia kernel module package? |
| 09:18.23 | tuv | cwheeler, nvidia-kernel-* |
| 09:18.52 | tuv | cwheeler, nvidia-kernel-legacy-* |
| 09:20.07 | cwheeler | they are all the same version except the kernel common files |
| 09:20.16 | tuv | cwheeler, good.. that's fine |
| 09:20.29 | tuv | cwheeler, do 'invoke-rc.d gdm restart' as root |
| 09:20.54 | tuv | cwheeler, preferrably at virtual terminal, i.e. ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 09:21.18 | tuv | cwheeler, i meant at a tty (console) |
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| 09:21.36 | cwheeler | no I just rebooted |
| 09:21.38 | yomguy | hello ! |
| 09:21.46 | tuv | cwheeler, that would do |
| 09:21.59 | cwheeler | freeglut (fgfs): OpenGL GLX extension not supported by display ':0.0' |
| 09:22.05 | cwheeler | now I get that error |
| 09:22.08 | tuv | cwheeler, hmm.. did you put 'nvidia' in your X config file as a device? |
| 09:22.28 | cwheeler | no oops i'm brain dead today been sick :( |
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| 09:23.46 | cwheeler | nvidia insteas of nv right? |
| 09:24.23 | tuv | cwheeler, yup |
| 09:25.03 | cwheeler | anything else i need to change in xorg.conf? |
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| 09:28.25 | cwheeler | ah an nvidia logo appeared |
| 09:28.35 | ThePub | freaky! :) |
| 09:28.47 | cwheeler | and the screen image needs to be moved, good signs it'd say |
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| 09:29.14 | DavidProck1981 | hi, I have a Intel D845PT Motherboard and the cd it come with has software for windows that will display all the temperatures and fan speeds, Would there be software for linux that will do the same thing for my Motherboard |
| 09:29.51 | cwheeler | what's the name of the program that tweaks X params, the one with all the warnings? |
| 09:31.33 | Dibbler_Lap | DavidProck1981: yes, lm-sensors |
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| 09:34.55 | DavidProck1981 | is lm-sensors for any board or just my brand |
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| 09:35.40 | liable | why dont you have a look into it.. |
| 09:36.19 | cwheeler | flight gear isn't complaining now :) |
| 09:36.26 | cwheeler | thanks for all the help tuv |
| 09:37.48 | mylogic | what's the best way to install the kernel source packages for debian? |
| 09:39.17 | liable | mylogic: you dont want that for ipw2200 do you? |
| 09:39.24 | sep | mylogic, whats the best way to install anything ? use your favorite apt tool :) |
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| 09:39.38 | liable | mylogic: if you just need to build a module, just get the headers |
| 09:39.41 | kamyk | eloo all :) |
| 09:39.47 | liable | !reference |
| 09:39.47 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 09:39.54 | tuv | cwheeler, yw |
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| 09:40.19 | liable | mylogic: ^^^ read that reference doc, its a great primer for newbs to debian |
| 09:40.30 | Kamyk_^ | how i can set redirect http://domain.com on https://domain.com in apache? |
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| 09:40.46 | tuv | mylogic, if you're running etch, the module is in your kernel. it's more difficult to compile another one |
| 09:40.59 | mylogic | liable: sorry, you are going to have to be very dumb'd down with me. I got all the packages that I need, and I need to install this iee80211 as part of it, and arghhhh |
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| 09:41.18 | mylogic | I am confused ;x how do I get this darn thing to work |
| 09:41.21 | liable | mylogic: eek, you shouldnt have to do that for 2200 |
| 09:41.23 | tuv | mylogic, ieee80211 is already in etch kernels too |
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| 09:41.41 | mylogic | oh ok, well I haven't messed anything up yet |
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| 09:41.44 | liable | mylogic: where did you read that? |
| 09:41.52 | liable | prolly the 3945 page |
| 09:41.53 | tuv | mylogic, all you need to do is to have the firmware in /lib/firmware directly, without any folders |
| 09:42.03 | mylogic | so just copy it over? |
| 09:42.06 | mylogic | that's it... |
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| 09:42.23 | liable | mylogic: you are at the wrong web site :P |
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| 09:42.32 | liable | http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:42.43 | mylogic | that's the story of my life... |
| 09:42.45 | tuv | mylogic, then reload the ipw2200 module: modprobe -r ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200 |
| 09:43.00 | mylogic | alright, one second |
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| 09:43.33 | mylogic | tuv: I untar the fw before I move it over to /lib, right? ;x |
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| 09:43.52 | tuv | mylogic, doesn't matter. just get the files in the tar to /lib/modules |
| 09:44.00 | mylogic | k |
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| 09:44.14 | tuv | mylogic, oops. /lib/firmware |
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| 09:44.19 | tuv | mylogic, not /lib/modules |
| 09:44.23 | tuv | mylogic, and not /lib |
| 09:44.35 | Kamyk_^ | ? |
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| 09:46.33 | mylogic | k, one second |
| 09:46.34 | mylogic | now I reload load the module |
| 09:46.34 | mylogic | correct? |
| 09:46.34 | mylogic | argh, errrrros |
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| 09:46.48 | mylogic | hmm |
| 09:46.51 | mylogic | nice, anyway |
| 09:47.07 | cwheeler | you didn't even paste and got kicked |
| 09:47.24 | tuv | too fast typist |
| 09:47.31 | SlayerXP | no, he just lacks the ability to use punctuation instead of his return key |
| 09:47.38 | Dibbler_Lap | lol |
| 09:47.52 | tuv | so it's the newline frequency that matters |
| 09:47.55 | mylogic | Errors, "WARNING: Coule not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko' |
| 09:47.56 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 09:48.00 | mylogic | and the same thing for like one other |
| 09:48.07 | mylogic | did I mess something up earlier? grr |
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| 09:49.09 | tuv | mylogic, does the file exist? |
| 09:49.12 | mylogic | I got the same error for ieee80211_crypt.ko and ieee80211.ko |
| 09:49.30 | mylogic | I might have deleted it, would it be safe to copy it over from a previous kernel |
| 09:49.40 | tuv | mylogic, no |
| 09:49.48 | tuv | mylogic, try reinstalling the kernel package |
| 09:50.03 | mylogic | by doing...? :D |
| 09:50.13 | tuv | mylogic, man apt-get |
| 09:50.17 | cwheeler | kernel modules don't really like a mix'n'match approach |
| 09:50.32 | mylogic | alright -- still learning, I was a gentoo guy and everything was different |
| 09:50.40 | xingu | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=116738284905167&w=2 ... "ouch" |
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| 09:51.16 | mylogic | tuv: would it be apt-get update |
| 09:51.16 | mylogic | ?> |
| 09:51.33 | tuv | mylogic, try harder :) |
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| 09:52.06 | liable | mylogic: slow down, read that reference link i gave you. you wont die if you spend 30 minutes to read some helpfull documentation |
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| 09:52.23 | mylogic | which one was that? sorry got a lot of things thrown at me at once |
| 09:52.59 | Tallu | Actually reading a bit every now and then will save you a lot of time in the long run |
| 09:53.17 | tuv | mylogic, man apt-get will do for now |
| 09:53.54 | tuv | mylogic, you want to reinstall, so search for 'reinstall' in there (did you know you can search a manpage>!) |
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| 09:55.35 | sushimako | hi there. i got a strange problem (debian sid). some applications fail to resolv hostnames (e.g. xchat, gaim, slrn, apt) but ping, host, firefox resolv without a problem :\ |
| 09:55.41 | mylogic | tuv: I see the reinstall, what would the name of it be though, kernel-package? |
| 09:55.53 | tuv | xingu, interesting link |
| 09:56.01 | sep | sushimako, nscd running ? |
| 09:56.20 | tuv | mylogic, linux-image-<version-arch> |
| 09:56.23 | sushimako | sep, nope |
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| 09:56.42 | tuv | xingu, and a sad one too |
| 09:56.51 | sushimako | sep, should i? |
| 09:56.55 | xingu | tuv: I predict a fairly high urgency patch for all current/open 2.6 branches. :) |
| 09:56.58 | sep | sushimako, check resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf, test the namservers in resolv.conf manually (host/dig/nslookup) |
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| 09:57.06 | sep | sushimako, not if you dont need it no. |
| 09:57.32 | BrianSteffens | hi everyone. i have a directory /home/notes, which belongs to root:administrators. i then have 2 users, brian and adam, which are both part of the group administrators. however, neither brian nor adam can modify this folder without sudoing. how can i make it an open folder for both of these accounts? |
| 09:57.49 | xingu | BrianSteffens: chmod g+ws |
| 09:58.33 | BrianSteffens | xingu awesome thank you |
| 09:59.23 | mylogic | tuv: is the --reinstall flag used to compliment another command, or is it simply apt-get --reinstall linux-image? |
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| 10:00.24 | tuv | mylogic, you have to have a command. install would be the most appropriate here |
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| 10:00.44 | mylogic | ah, gotcha |
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| 10:01.11 | mylogic | I wasn't aware that the command was requires, with emerge it can just take options too |
| 10:01.24 | sushimako | sep, oh thx. i didn't think of nsswitch.conf. some application depended on mdns and this one added the mdns entry to my nsswitch which was useless after removing the mdns. |
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| 10:01.36 | sushimako | thx :) |
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| 10:03.30 | tuv | mylogic, 'Unless the -h, or --help option is given, one of the commands below must be present.' from the head of the apt-get manpage |
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| 10:04.31 | mylogic | tuv: I seeee, alright, let me reboot real quick like, then move the fw back over |
| 10:04.34 | cwheeler | flightgear is still slow |
| 10:04.57 | tuv | mylogic, why reboot? |
| 10:05.05 | mylogic | it told me to |
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| 10:05.37 | tuv | mylogic, that is if it was an upgrade, i.e. different version/revision -> something has changed |
| 10:05.42 | tuv | which is not the case, is it? |
| 10:05.49 | mylogic | hm, I suppose not |
| 10:06.12 | tuv | mylogic, make sure you have the missing files not |
| 10:06.16 | mylogic | I still need to re-transfer over the fw to /lib/firmware |
| 10:06.18 | mylogic | correct? |
| 10:07.01 | prolific- | What do you who run debian amd64 think of its stability and speed jump over debian x86? |
| 10:07.47 | mylogic | the modprobe worked |
| 10:08.06 | mylogic | and there is a wireless option now! eureka |
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| 10:09.14 | tuv | !customer |
| 10:09.15 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 10:09.19 | ThePub | so why is thunderbird "icedove" in the debian package archive? |
| 10:09.42 | tuv | why not? |
| 10:09.57 | Coweater | !icedove |
| 10:09.57 | dpkg | i guess icedove is due to trademark restrictions, debian is not able to distribute thunderbird with the thunderbird name, instead a fork has replace it, called icedove. http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/. Ask me about iceweasel. |
| 10:10.02 | cwheeler | tuv looks like something didn't work flightgear is still slow as in 30 sec to draw one frame |
| 10:10.09 | mylogic | thanks :) |
| 10:10.22 | tuv | mylogic, yw |
| 10:10.39 | tuv | cwheeler, how fast was it before? |
| 10:11.01 | cwheeler | it's so slow it's completely unuseable, which is how it was before |
| 10:11.01 | xingu | cwheeler: suggest you paste (ask dpkg) the output from glxinfo somewhere |
| 10:11.09 | ThePub | Coweater: ^_^ thought it was something like that. Silly little tifs. |
| 10:11.37 | mylogic | tuv: will that module automatically be started now, or do I need to add it somewhere so it will? |
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| 10:12.10 | Dewi | frown. I don't seem to be able to update sources this afternoon. |
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| 10:12.34 | tuv | mylogic, if you want the wireless interface brought up on boot, add 'auto <wieless-interface-name> to your /etc/network/interfaces. man interfaces for details |
| 10:12.48 | Dewi | gets to 99% and then just sits there |
| 10:13.13 | tuv | Dewi, rm /var/cache/apt/*.bin and try again |
| 10:14.02 | Dewi | oh, there is goes now. planetmirror must be a bit flaky or something. |
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| 10:15.14 | BrianSteffens | is there a way to set my own 'welcome text' to appear when someone ssh's in |
| 10:15.56 | kadk | yes |
| 10:15.59 | oldsparky | BrianSteffens: /etc/motd |
| 10:16.02 | kadk | /etc/motd |
| 10:16.03 | Dewi | BrianSteffens: option PrintMotd |
| 10:16.05 | takisd | BrianSteffens: check the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file there is a banner value |
| 10:16.07 | xingu | BrianSteffens: sshd_config: Banner, PrintMotd |
| 10:16.20 | cwheeler | tuv http://channels.debian.net/paste/4960 |
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| 10:17.17 | tuv | cwheeler, Paste not found. |
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| 10:18.15 | cwheeler | oops 4950 not 4960 sorry |
| 10:18.19 | skwashd | hi all |
| 10:18.31 | BrianSteffens | oldsparky,kadk,Dewi,takisd,xingu thank you all hahaha |
| 10:18.53 | Dewi | :) |
| 10:19.10 | skwashd | i am trying to decide if i should run kvm or xen on etch ... google hasn't been very helpful head to head comparisons ... anyone want to give their opinion ? |
| 10:19.37 | xingu | cwheeler: unless you've somehow got a non-gl version of flightgear... you need to scale back the candy I think |
| 10:19.59 | petemc | skwashd: do you have a processor that supports the virtualisation extension? |
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| 10:20.10 | xingu | cwheeler: what does glxgears -printfps think? |
| 10:20.13 | cwheeler | i d/led flight gear with apt-get |
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| 10:20.30 | tuv | cwheeler, looking good. the important lines are: 'direct rendering: Yes' and 'server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation' |
| 10:20.33 | row | how can you set the expire time with make-ssl-cert ? |
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| 10:20.55 | cwheeler | 762 fps |
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| 10:20.59 | skwashd | petemc: yes ... brand new Core2 Duo ... bought today :) |
| 10:21.12 | petemc | row: you specify the number od days with openssl, perhaps you do the same with that script |
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| 10:21.25 | row | petemc hmm k. |
| 10:21.48 | xingu | cwheeler: that sounds about right for the hardware |
| 10:22.13 | petemc | skwashd: i use xen, it works well for me, but dont have any machines with VT, when i get some, ill probably look at kvm |
| 10:22.17 | cwheeler | so flight gear should get at least 10fps? |
| 10:22.49 | xingu | cwheeler: tried switching to a 16bit/pixel mode? |
| 10:22.53 | petemc | skwashd: theres a linux virtualisation wiki that may be useful |
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| 10:23.07 | cwheeler | xingu no |
| 10:23.17 | xingu | cwheeler: no, glxgears is only useful for apples/apples comparisons |
| 10:23.21 | cwheeler | flight gear is so slow nothing moves |
| 10:23.39 | xingu | cwheeler: the numbers are very much relative and meaningless as absolutes. |
| 10:23.51 | xingu | cwheeler: try a 16bpp depth and see if it improves |
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| 10:24.04 | skwashd | petemc: http://virt.kernelnewbies.org/ ? |
| 10:24.04 | cwheeler | ok |
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| 10:24.14 | petemc | skwashd: aye |
| 10:24.21 | xingu | cwheeler: geforce2 mx isn't exactly doorbustingly quick by modern standards. :) |
| 10:24.36 | cwheeler | could installing flight gear before the 3d nvidia stuff was installed cause a problem? |
| 10:24.44 | cwheeler | i know the vid card is old and slow |
| 10:24.54 | skwashd | petemc: thanks :) |
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| 10:25.33 | Icb3a | I need help about PHP, sendmail or postfix... some one here? |
| 10:25.33 | Icb3a | :) |
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| 10:26.22 | Icb3a | When i send a mail #> mail mail@mail.com -s Subject |
| 10:26.24 | Icb3a | it works but |
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| 10:26.36 | cwheeler | thanks for the help i will work on it tomorrow gotta sleep |
| 10:26.37 | Icb3a | when i use the mail() php fct, it don't |
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| 10:26.49 | Icb3a | I try with sendmail and postfix mta |
| 10:26.56 | Icb3a | can some one help me ? |
| 10:26.56 | Icb3a | :) |
| 10:26.57 | Icb3a | plz |
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| 10:28.05 | xingu | cwheeler: also disable the Composite extention as a test case if it's enabled; that can also sap performance; but really, the first thing to try is a lower depth |
| 10:28.20 | xingu | cwheeler: 24/32bpp->16bpp means ~half as much work to do |
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| 10:29.07 | cwheeler | thanks i'll try it tomorrow |
| 10:29.25 | cwheeler | i'll no doubt be back with more questions thanks again |
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| 10:31.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:31.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd170 is * Gnurdux touchtypes with 2 fingers, so sometimes he gets off |
| 10:31.31 | yang | Where could i get some information on how to setup GPRS connection on debian? |
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| 10:32.04 | liable | is that like mobile phone internet? |
| 10:32.29 | yang | liable: pcmcia card |
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| 10:33.06 | liable | yang: mine shows up as a usb device, and ppp uses it |
| 10:33.08 | Icb3a | seek help plz, some one can help me about : PHP, Sendmail or postfix and mail() fct?? |
| 10:33.30 | liable | yang: mines one of those eydo thingos |
| 10:33.37 | liable | err, ev-do |
| 10:33.45 | liable | or whatever the hell it is :P |
| 10:34.04 | yang | liable: i got pcmcia GPRS modem card |
| 10:34.20 | liable | yang: run wvdialconf and see if it detects it |
| 10:34.42 | yang | liable: but there are no hits at all for packages "gprs" |
| 10:34.45 | robin__sz | bah .. since running an upgeade a few days ago, Ive had noting but troubkle with Firefox |
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| 10:35.07 | liable | yang: it should just show as a modem device |
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| 10:35.43 | robin__sz | randomly loses connection with X |
| 10:35.53 | robin__sz | this is Etch btw |
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| 10:36.30 | liable | yang: does it show in lspci? |
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| 10:37.30 | robin__sz | is it just me with the firefox/X problem ? or is it more widespread?? |
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| 10:38.39 | rahab | hi there |
| 10:38.54 | yang | liable: ooops it blocked my laptop when inserted it |
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| 10:39.59 | rahab | does anyone know if it is possible to mount an iso as a block device? |
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| 10:40.05 | rahab | not loopback |
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| 10:40.24 | rahab | need to have /dev/cdrom or something |
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| 10:40.44 | dondelelcaro | rahab: so symlink /dev/cdrom to /dev/loop0 or similar. |
| 10:40.47 | liable | rahab: what are you trying to do with it? |
| 10:40.48 | dondelelcaro | rahab: a file is a file is a file. |
| 10:40.56 | Danielss89 | hi, what is the command for forcing the mailq to send everything? |
| 10:41.04 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: depends on the mta. |
| 10:41.06 | rahab | i have to trick vmware server |
| 10:41.17 | dondelelcaro | rahab: #vmware |
| 10:41.24 | Danielss89 | mta.... dondelelcaro its etch |
| 10:41.31 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: which MTA? |
| 10:41.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell Danielss89 -about mta |
| 10:41.41 | rahab | yeah maybe a symlink can to it |
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| 10:41.51 | Danielss89 | ahh exim4 :) |
| 10:42.03 | Arme[N] | Hi, I have debian etch with latest ugraded packages, when I try to copy disc in gnome after clicking to copy disc... cdrom icon disappears! how can I find out why? my kernel is *2.6.18-3-k7* and I boot it with acpi-moirq |
| 10:42.32 | Danielss89 | dondelelcaro its exim4 |
| 10:42.41 | Icb3a | seek help plz, some one can help me about : PHP, Sendmail or postfix and mail() fct?? |
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| 10:42.59 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: exim -q; should do it iirc. |
| 10:43.06 | yang | liable: hm...i don't know if it gets detected...there it says Agere WinModem 56K |
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| 10:43.26 | liable | yang: that sounds like youre built in one |
| 10:43.46 | liable | yang: whats dmesg say after its plugged in? |
| 10:43.50 | Danielss89 | doesnt do anything dondelelcaro |
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| 10:44.47 | Tyler | Hey folks, about how long does it take for DNS address changes to propagate? |
| 10:44.54 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: it does, it just will take a while. |
| 10:44.55 | yang | liable: it says like Yenta...FCardbus bridge found at 0000:00:0a0 1028:1255 |
| 10:44.55 | Tyler | I switched out my DNS IPs from my registrar to my host. |
| 10:45.02 | dondelelcaro | Danielss89: man exim; for an explanation. |
| 10:45.03 | Tyler | Typing in the IP loads up the "Coming Soon" page fine, just not the actual domain. |
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| 10:45.21 | liable | yang: ok, out of interest, do you see anything interestinf from lsusb? |
| 10:45.25 | dondelelcaro | Tyler: you need to set the ip address as a server alias, or have it listed first. |
| 10:45.29 | yang | liable: Yenta routing cardbus to pci , PCI irc 10 |
| 10:45.50 | dondelelcaro | Icb3a: you need to have an MTA installed and mail enabled. |
| 10:46.01 | dondelelcaro | Icb3a: #php can help you if you have additional questions. |
| 10:46.12 | Tyler | I think my host does that for me dondelelcaro. I'm using TextDrive shared for a couple weeks before switching over to a VPS. |
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| 10:46.20 | yang | liable: with lsusb there is one listed - Bus 001 ID 0000:0000 |
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| 10:46.45 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 10:46.49 | Icb3a | dondelelcaro my mta work. I can use on shell the : mail fct.. |
| 10:46.55 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone help me with configuring udev?? |
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| 10:47.04 | xingu | Tyler: depends entirely on how the record is configured; it may help if you rephrase your question with particulars, such as the actual canonical name you care about. |
| 10:47.09 | liable | yang: hrmph, guess you better google that particular model for linux tips |
| 10:47.10 | yang | liable: but it isn't plugged into usb it's into pcmcia slot |
| 10:47.11 | Tyler | Ah okay. |
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| 10:47.33 | liable | yang: yeah, mine isnt usb either, but it shows as a usb device |
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| 10:48.01 | Tyler | opho.be was registered to me yesterday. Today I changed out the registrars DNS name server placeholders for the host IPs. |
| 10:48.13 | Tyler | http://opho.be to be precise I suppose. :) |
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| 10:48.36 | ThePub | is there a lightweight terminal that supports font rendering like gnome? |
| 10:48.45 | yang | liable: its "option globetrotter" model |
| 10:49.02 | liable | yang: i am not going to google for you :P |
| 10:49.15 | yang | liable: i am googling |
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| 10:52.26 | xingu | Tyler: the SOA record for the zone currently visible has expire=604800; that gives you worst-case a 7d timeout if the authority moves from ns7.gandi.net to somewhere else. |
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| 10:53.34 | Tyler | Hmm, what does that mean exactly? I'm new to all this lovely stuff. |
| 10:53.37 | xingu | Tyler: the A record is being published with the default zone ttl=43200; that gives you best-case 1/2 day before someone who has cached a response for opho.be goes looking for an update. |
| 10:53.54 | Tyler | Ahh |
| 10:54.07 | Arme[N] | in etch when I tried to "copy disc" in gnome cdroms icon disappears! how can I find out why? I checked out syslog, kern.log, messeges, dmsgs but I got nothing |
| 10:54.44 | Tyler | So I'm looking at a 1/2-day to 7 day wait for the name to propogate? |
| 10:54.57 | xingu | Tyler: vis-a-vis ns7.gandi.net's view of the world, yes; is that the old or new nameserver? |
| 10:55.08 | Tyler | Old. |
| 10:55.14 | Tyler | New is TextDrive. |
| 10:55.24 | xingu | Tyler: in that case the correct answer is "forever"; the change hasn't been made there yet. |
| 10:55.31 | Tyler | Oh bugger. |
| 10:55.35 | Tyler | Hmm |
| 10:55.44 | yang | liable: wvdialconf is in which package? |
| 10:55.53 | liable | yang: wvdial |
| 10:55.59 | Tyler | Okay, another question then I suppose... how might I be able to access a subdomain via the IP address? |
| 10:56.07 | xingu | Tyler: ie, your zone transfer within .be hasn't yet happened; that is an adminsitrative problem, outside the scope of the dns protocol; you need to chase the two registrars. |
| 10:56.17 | Tyler | Bah |
| 10:56.19 | Tyler | Great |
| 10:56.29 | yang | liable: i need to know some internet gateways in order for ppp to work? |
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| 10:56.40 | Tyler | Actually, you know what xingu. I just realized something. |
| 10:56.52 | liable | yang: wvdial should fetch all that from your providor |
| 10:56.59 | yang | ok |
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| 10:57.03 | Tyler | The .be DNS is upgrading to their V2 DNS, and haven't said they're back up yet. |
| 10:57.12 | Tyler | Meaning any and all .be's I'm guessing aren't working. |
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| 10:57.30 | xingu | Tyler: a.ns.dns.be is working just fine from here |
| 10:57.36 | Tyler | Hmm |
| 10:57.50 | Tyler | https://www.gandi.net/news/view/76 |
| 10:57.56 | xingu | Tyler: I'd be shocked if a cctld ever had a blanket outage |
| 10:58.15 | robin__sz | yeah, but this is belgium |
| 10:58.29 | Tyler | Heh |
| 10:59.08 | yang | liable: I got quite many of these GPRS cards, in case you know anyone that would like to use it:) |
| 10:59.17 | Tyler | xingu: Are you speaking of the French investigator? |
| 10:59.25 | liable | yang: does wvdial find it? |
| 11:00.00 | xingu | Tyler: :) |
| 11:00.12 | Tyler | Wait... |
| 11:00.16 | Tyler | He's Belgian |
| 11:00.18 | yang | liable: it says no modem detected...did you configure properly with setserial |
| 11:00.19 | Tyler | Bah |
| 11:00.21 | Tyler | :) |
| 11:00.24 | Tyler | Anyway... |
| 11:00.26 | Tyler | One final question before I head off to bed. How can someone access a subdomain via the IP address? |
| 11:00.31 | liable | yang: bugger |
| 11:00.40 | Tyler | Is it as simple as 1.2.3.4/subdomain? |
| 11:00.53 | robin__sz | subdomain? |
| 11:00.53 | yang | liable: but the pcmcia card is blinking |
| 11:00.56 | xingu | Tyler: essentially, yes. |
| 11:01.42 | robin__sz | Tyler, what do you mean by the term "subdomain" ...or are you confusing a networking term with something to do with Apache Vhosts? |
| 11:01.42 | xingu | Tyler: a subdomain is a different logical entity to what you're asking about; you're asking about - a canonical name that exists within the opho.be cut; a subdomain establishes a /new/ cut boundary and is used for administrative scoping |
| 11:02.19 | Tyler | Ah alright. Sorry again then with my terms. |
| 11:02.26 | xingu | Tyler: a subdomain is used - to allow a foreign entity to administer that leaf of namespace. |
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| 11:02.44 | yang | liable: I get in dmesg when i slot in - PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0 ; 0.0 ttyS1 at I/O 0x100 irq=4 is a 16550A |
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| 11:03.07 | Tyler | Ah righto. |
| 11:03.11 | liable | yang: ans lspci shows it now? |
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| 11:03.34 | yang | liable: ok it found it now:) |
| 11:03.44 | robin__sz | Tyler, so, you are asking about how to access a domainthat is on a shared webserver when the domain no longer is listed in the DNS? |
| 11:04.11 | Tyler | Oh, I can access the IP of my site, it's just the domain name is having issues resolving. |
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| 11:04.17 | Tyler | Or rather. |
| 11:04.18 | yang | liable: it says now Found a modem at /dev/ttyS1 |
| 11:04.33 | Tyler | I can access the site's IP. |
| 11:04.35 | yang | liable: now, how do i connect? |
| 11:04.43 | liable | yang: sweet |
| 11:05.02 | liable | yang: edit /etc/wvdial.conf and put your user name etc, run wvdial |
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| 11:05.25 | yang | liable: i don't think i have a username....for GPS signal |
| 11:05.25 | liable | yang: the ; in there are comments, so make sure you remove them |
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| 11:06.03 | liable | yang: no idea, i havent actually used mine, too expensive |
| 11:06.06 | yang | liable: do you use username? |
| 11:06.14 | robin__sz | Tyler, well I dont know what your question is then ... you know the DNS is broken and you can access it by ip ... so you are happy now, yes? |
| 11:06.52 | Tyler | For the time being. I just hope the domain propogates itself. |
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| 11:07.52 | Tallu | Tyler: domain server changes can take up to 48 hours to propagate, the ip address changes are usually a lot faster |
| 11:08.01 | Tyler | Righto. |
| 11:08.20 | Tyler | Thanks all, robin__sz, xingu, Tallu. You've been most helpful. |
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| 11:08.28 | Tyler | I'll be back when I get my VPS set up and running debian. |
| 11:08.28 | yang | liable: where it says PHONE I enter my GSM number? |
| 11:08.30 | Tyler | :) |
| 11:08.41 | yang | liable: <target phone number> |
| 11:08.42 | Tallu | Tyler: You're welcome.:) |
| 11:08.47 | liable | yang: yep |
| 11:09.08 | liable | yang: not *your* number, the number it has to ring |
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| 11:09.17 | robin__sz | Tyler, try using DNSreport.com |
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| 11:09.26 | robin__sz | http://www.dnsreport.com/ |
| 11:09.32 | Tyler | Thanks robin__sz. |
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| 11:10.15 | starz | robin__sz, also another great dns site is dnsstuff.com :> |
| 11:10.22 | Tyler | "[ERROR: I was unable to get an answer from the parent servers [b.ns.dns.be], when I tried to find the NS records for opho.be.]" |
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| 11:10.37 | starz | tho im not sure if it lists propigation chage time XD |
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| 11:12.09 | robin__sz | various other .be sites seem to be just fine |
| 11:12.33 | liable | yang: you might use your providor in the init string, i am not sure, check your providors docs if they have any |
| 11:12.52 | yang | liable: yes i phone them, they gave me the infos |
| 11:14.19 | protocol1 | can someone help me with installing video drivers for an ATI card? |
| 11:14.35 | protocol1 | ATI all in wonder 9800 pro |
| 11:14.53 | Tyler | Hmm |
| 11:15.02 | Tyler | Something must be up with mine robin__sz. :\ |
| 11:15.13 | protocol1 | I tried to install the drivers from the ATI website...but had no luck |
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| 11:16.19 | robin__sz | Tyler, well, it si a bit screwed up |
| 11:16.24 | Tyler | Yeah |
| 11:16.36 | Tyler | I switched the DNS server back to the registrar. |
| 11:16.47 | Tyler | And when I try to edit the DNS zone file, I get this error: |
| 11:16.48 | Tyler | Domain update failed for opho.be : unexpected_change_dns_zone_error_at_gandi |
| 11:17.18 | robin__sz | well, which registrar SHOUL it be with? tectdrive.com or gandi? |
| 11:17.25 | robin__sz | textdrive.com |
| 11:17.31 | Tyler | textdrive is the host |
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| 11:17.52 | robin__sz | no, which NAMESERVERS shoud you be using, Gandi or Textdrive? |
| 11:18.07 | Tyler | Textdrive |
| 11:18.10 | robin__sz | right |
| 11:18.15 | robin__sz | and you changed this when? |
| 11:18.20 | Tyler | About 2 hours ago. |
| 11:18.24 | robin__sz | oh |
| 11:18.31 | Tyler | But it was giving me errors with the zone dns file. |
| 11:18.36 | robin__sz | well its changed in the whois |
| 11:18.45 | Tyler | To textdrive? |
| 11:18.49 | robin__sz | yes |
| 11:18.59 | Tyler | hmm |
| 11:19.02 | robin__sz | but it will be about 24hrs before it updates the rootservers |
| 11:19.23 | Arme[N] | in etch when I tried to "copy disc" in gnome cdroms icon disappears! how can I find out why? I checked out syslog, kern.log, messeges, dmsgs but I got nothing, just point me to right direction, If i got an error msg then I can google it |
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| 11:19.35 | Hoxzeri | Does anybody know what could fix "device is not available" error with hcitool? |
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| 11:20.18 | robin__sz | Tyler, dns*.textdrive.com are answering for the domain anyway, so they will work when the thing fianlly flops over |
| 11:20.26 | robin__sz | ;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 11:20.26 | robin__sz | www.opho.be. 2400 IN A 207.7.108.244 |
| 11:20.37 | Tyler | Hmm |
| 11:20.44 | yang | liable: is it possible to get "modem not responding" error, becouse of the incompatible SIM card....this Globetrotter card is german, and my SIM is from Slovenia |
| 11:20.50 | Tyler | I switched it back over to Gandi and the whois has updated. |
| 11:21.12 | robin__sz | that last statemwnt doesnt make any sense |
| 11:21.16 | yang | liable: It says sending ATZ OK |
| 11:21.24 | liable | yang: i dont know. try restting the card |
| 11:21.31 | robin__sz | "i switched it back over to gandi" ... whatever does that mean? |
| 11:21.48 | yang | liable: then ATQ0 ... modem not responding |
| 11:22.07 | Tyler | I switched the DNS primary and secondary servers back over to Gandi, from TextDrive. |
| 11:22.11 | liable | yang: are you sure the strings are correct? |
| 11:22.29 | robin__sz | no, you didnt |
| 11:22.52 | Tyler | ... I'm looking at the changed DNS record right now in my Gandi admin page. |
| 11:22.55 | xingu | Tyler: as I said before, this is an administrative problem; you need to put textdrive's configuration where it was, with them as authoritative, and chase the registrars. |
| 11:23.29 | xingu | Tyler: what has failed is the redelegation from gandi to textdrive; until that update is made to the cctld, you're flailing against the wind. |
| 11:23.34 | robin__sz | Tyler, understand this one thing... when you change stuff in the registry it has ABSOLUTELY NO EFFECT until sometime around 4am on the day after you change it. it affects the WHOIS record .. but NOTHING IN THE DNS ROOTSERVERS changes until the update the next day. got it? |
| 11:23.48 | yang | liable: I am not familiar with those strings the init2 says: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 & C1 & D2 +FCLASS=0 |
| 11:23.56 | dondelelcaro | robin__sz: the actual delay depends on the root servers; some are faster than others. |
| 11:24.28 | Tyler | No need to be aggressive robin__sz. I understand the basics. And xingu, I'll be sending an e-mail to Gandi tonight. |
| 11:24.37 | robin__sz | dondelelcaro, most have a dialy upload, usually in the wee small hours |
| 11:24.43 | liable | yang: google for the card and wvdial. i really dont know myself, the strings are different for different cards |
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| 11:24.45 | xingu | the root nameservers in this instance don't enter the picture at all |
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| 11:25.32 | dondelelcaro | the root nameservers dictate when the domain name will first begin resolving, not when the transition will finish. |
| 11:25.39 | dondelelcaro | (the latter is dictated by the TTL) |
| 11:25.58 | robin__sz | Tyler, im not agressive, but you do seem to be a bit confused ... the textdrive nameservers are workign fine and answering for your domain, the whois is correct and says textdrive are the namservers, the only thing you need now is the .be rootservers to update, that may take time. if you chaged it 2 hours ago, I would leave it for 24 to 36 hours |
| 11:26.25 | Tyler | Alright. |
| 11:26.46 | robin__sz | xingu, the .be rootservers are still handing out gandi for that domain |
| 11:26.57 | xingu | "cctld" |
| 11:27.15 | robin__sz | xingu, they probably will for another 24hrs or so |
| 11:27.19 | Tyler | I've just gone ahead and pointed my A field to my IP from Gandi. We'll see what that does. |
| 11:27.21 | xingu | rootservers has an entirely unique meaning in context |
| 11:27.27 | robin__sz | ok, |
| 11:27.41 | xingu | there is one root; dns.be is not it. |
| 11:28.53 | robin__sz | well, actually, there are 13 roots at the last count, but I know what you mean |
| 11:29.13 | Tyler | Alright. Running DNS Report on my domain now gives results. |
| 11:29.32 | xingu | no, there is one root; there are >>13 servers in it, there are 13 cname delegations serving it. |
| 11:30.09 | robin__sz | fair point |
| 11:30.14 | dondelelcaro | there are actually multiple root servers. |
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| 11:30.44 | xingu | the process for transferring a zone within a cctld is administrative and peculiar to that cctld; there is always an interlock between yielding and accepting registrar, to prevent hijacking |
| 11:31.02 | xingu | it is this process that is busted for tyler; and the only way to fix it is to chase both support desks |
| 11:31.27 | xingu | sometimes that process interlocks with the cc-whois updates; sometimes they're asynchronous to each other |
| 11:31.49 | robin__sz | xingu, agreed, but in this case I thinkk it was simply Tyler making a change to his WHOIS and expecting it to begin propogating. As I saisd, there would probably be no DNS changes for ~24hrs |
| 11:32.09 | robin__sz | even if everything was OK |
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| 11:32.27 | Tyler | Alright. I've gone ahead and done the following. |
| 11:32.32 | robin__sz | the .uk zone reloads at 4am for example |
| 11:32.33 | xingu | unless you're operating as a registrar, it's not possible any more to just move the whois and assume that will shift the glue; it just doesn't work that way these days |
| 11:32.58 | Tyler | I've set my DNS servers back to pointing at Gandi, and I've added an A record of the following: "opho.be. 28800 IN A 207.7.108.244 " |
| 11:33.03 | xingu | you always need the owning registrar to yield it to the receiving registrar; this is how the cctld winds up with a single view of delegatins |
| 11:33.16 | dererk | Morning |
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| 11:33.42 | robin__sz | xingu, now you are confusing IPS-KEY trnasferal with DNS changes |
| 11:33.54 | xingu | no, I'm explaining how the process works. |
| 11:34.11 | xingu | IPS-KEY is one administrative mechanism for transferring zones; it's not the only one by a long stretch |
| 11:34.28 | xingu | there are some CCTLD's that still do it by email/phone. |
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| 11:35.13 | xingu | the old world had a single entity managing all delegations for the tld as well as whois which made this a noop |
| 11:35.20 | robin__sz | xingu, you can change the IPS-KEY and leave the desingated namservers as they are, you can change the namservers to your new registrars servers long before you transfer the doamin to them (assuming they answer for you) transferal of registrar is different to DNS and quite seperate |
| 11:35.24 | xingu | this is no longer true anywhere except the smallest of the cctlds |
| 11:35.44 | xingu | robin__sz: that is one process and peculiar to the cctld operating it. |
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| 11:36.47 | xingu | http://www.dns.be/en/home.php?n=49 <-- there's the dns.be process. |
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| 11:38.17 | xingu | if you do this outside the registrar, step six "rejection" will likely as not make you its bitch |
| 11:38.21 | xingu | anyway |
| 11:38.23 | yang | liable: you know, when I slot inside the card, it doesn't get recognised (it doesn't say anything about firmware...) |
| 11:38.37 | robin__sz | ok. so it updates 5 times a day. Tyler had been succesful in updating his hwois, so he could ecpect the namservers to update in 24/5 hours or so |
| 11:39.07 | liable | yang: er, i doubt it needs firmware, it should all be on the card |
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| 11:40.48 | wam | what's the recommended ipsec-implementation in debian? kame or freeswan? Or is this like the editor-war? |
| 11:40.48 | robin__sz | xingu, I think the confusion is based around registrar and nameserver .. for examle, I tend to use ukreg.com as my registrar but always use my own nameservers... theres no reason to change regsitrar just because you want to use a new host or even new nameservers, and that I think is the root of Tylers confusion |
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| 11:44.05 | robin__sz | anyway .. why oh why does firefox keep losing its X server in etch huh? |
| 11:44.31 | dondelelcaro | robin__sz: ? |
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| 11:45.01 | robin__sz | every 5 minutes or so, it dies .. it was fine until i ran a bunch of udoates a week or so ago |
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| 11:45.18 | robin__sz | robin@laptop:/mnt/floppy$ firefox |
| 11:45.19 | robin__sz | The application 'Gecko' lost its connection to the display :0.0; |
| 11:45.19 | robin__sz | most likely the X server was shut down or you killed/destroyed |
| 11:45.19 | robin__sz | the application. |
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| 11:45.45 | robin__sz | oops, bigger paste than I hoped for |
| 11:46.27 | yang | liable: this is a bit different on debian - Check the contents of the PCMCIA stab file: testlinux:~ # more /var/lib/pcmcia/stab |
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| 11:46.59 | kadk | hey, is there any way to turn my debian box into a "network storage"; like everbody in the house(laptop, another pcs,etc) can store files on it just like a regular drive. is it possible for samba to do that? |
| 11:47.25 | liable | yang: eh? |
| 11:47.38 | yang | liable: i want to know where stab file is located |
| 11:47.42 | robin__sz | kadk, yeah, they can map a samba share as a network drive |
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| 11:47.56 | kadk | that's what i thought |
| 11:48.09 | liable | yang: i have no idea what that is. where did you read that? |
| 11:48.10 | robin__sz | kadk, check, my_computer, some option on the top there, map network drive |
| 11:48.19 | yang | http://www.pharscape.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=29 |
| 11:48.24 | kadk | yeah you're right |
| 11:48.24 | dondelelcaro | robin__sz: hrm. I haven't heard of that happening at all. |
| 11:49.07 | robin__sz | dondelelcaro, hmm, ok, it was a pretty huge chunk of updates I ran last week, like 335mb, but it has been problematic since, no other apps seem to suffer |
| 11:49.26 | kadk | robin__sz, but aint samba pain in the ass to setup |
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| 11:49.44 | kadk | i just use winscp instead |
| 11:50.06 | robin__sz | kadk, nope, its fine. takes about 5 minutes .. if you are a click-and-drool type person, use SWAT web interface on port 901. |
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| 11:50.58 | robin__sz | kadk, winscp is a nice tool, but thats not the question you asked |
| 11:51.10 | kadk | i know |
| 11:51.17 | liable | yang: and the card doesnt have a file there? |
| 11:51.46 | robin__sz | a winscp window isnt a "regular drive" you dont get locking for example |
| 11:52.02 | robin__sz | its jsut ftp on steroids |
| 11:52.10 | yang | liable: nope |
| 11:52.22 | liable | yang: eject and reinsert the card |
| 11:52.28 | robin__sz | samba will give you a "real" share, with oplocks etc |
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| 11:52.58 | kadk | word |
| 11:53.07 | yang | liable: i don't have directory /var/lib/pcmcia |
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| 11:53.53 | liable | yang: what debian version? |
| 11:53.58 | yang | etch |
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| 11:54.41 | liable | yang: eject the card with cardctl and reinsert it. |
| 11:54.57 | yang | liable: now amazingly connected....sometimes works sometimes not |
| 11:55.09 | liable | yang: hrm |
| 11:55.23 | liable | yang: connected to the net or card is connected? |
| 11:55.26 | yang | liable: well my laptop isn't perfect, that is why |
| 11:55.34 | yang | liable: it connected to net |
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| 11:56.09 | tenthirteen | sybec: feh |
| 11:56.14 | liable | yang: good. |
| 11:56.20 | kadk | what's the diff between daemon and identd? |
| 11:56.39 | sybec | thanks |
| 11:57.22 | yang | liable: the pppd established and died with - Lack of LCP echo responses |
| 11:57.23 | ecgw | kadk, identd is a ident daemon. |
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| 11:57.59 | jfletcher | anyone know the name of a decent ftp server included with aptitude? |
| 11:58.02 | yang | liable: and on second try, it doesn't wants to connect |
| 11:58.09 | liable | yang: heh, it doesnt want to play nice.. |
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| 12:00.57 | Zap-W | say ls -s , lists the number of blocks each file takes? |
| 12:01.50 | yang | liable: do you know what kind of code is: AT+CGDCONT=1 |
| 12:02.09 | yang | liable: do you know what kind of code is: AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","internet" |
| 12:02.23 | yang | I wrote that dowen from the website |
| 12:02.25 | liable | yang: sec, i used to have a link for this, lemme see if i can find it |
| 12:03.13 | liable | yang: http://www.smlink.com/objects/ATCommands.pdf |
| 12:03.25 | liable | yang: not neccessarily correct for yours |
| 12:04.07 | yang | I think it is also Binded to correct SIM, in this case a German SIM should be used....I get invalid dial command with my SIM |
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| 12:04.35 | yang | that website is unaccessible |
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| 12:06.30 | liable | yang: another .. http://wwwapp.us.dell.com/support/edocs/NETWORK/5606d/commset.htm |
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| 12:09.43 | obstfliege | guten morgen |
| 12:09.48 | blondie | !de |
| 12:09.48 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 12:10.48 | blondie | it's dirty |
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| 12:11.17 | yang | liable: the pcmcia is "locked" only to German SIMS |
| 12:11.38 | wimpies | HI all, I got this strange keyboard-shift problem. when I press and hold the shift only the first character is presented shifted, then it reverts to non shifted |
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| 12:11.52 | yang | liable: becouse i get the DIAL command with the german SIM, and with Slovene it says invalid dial string |
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| 12:15.16 | yang | liable: also not sure if this pcmcia can support 115200 baud rate...becouse it gets connected at 57000 |
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| 12:16.09 | liable | yang: even if you got a different sim it doesnt work? |
| 12:16.35 | liable | yang: dont worry about the baud if it connects |
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| 12:17.15 | nfp|kelnoky | hm, my debian netinstall is stuck at 5% for more than half an hour now |
| 12:17.17 | nfp|kelnoky | normal? -.- |
| 12:17.23 | liable | no |
| 12:17.25 | jindal | no |
| 12:17.37 | yang | well, it connects and grabs IPs but then it disconnects saying lack of LCP echo responses |
| 12:17.39 | blondie | yang: phone companies often/usually lock their products to their own networks |
| 12:17.49 | blondie | or there own SIM cards |
| 12:18.13 | nfp|kelnoky | the last output was: "debconf: obsolete command TITLE configuring called" |
| 12:18.18 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 12:18.19 | yang | blondie: that is what i think it is... |
| 12:18.32 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out which track on a DVD I have to rip? |
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| 12:18.40 | HardDisk_WP | s/track/title |
| 12:18.49 | nfp|kelnoky | the longest? |
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| 12:20.41 | yang | liable: thank you for your time, i am gone now |
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| 12:20.56 | liable | yang: sec |
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| 12:21.31 | napoleao | is there a way in debian for local users to share the same outlook address book, similar to the public folders of ms exchange? |
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| 12:21.47 | blondie | eh, outlook doesn't work on debian |
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| 12:22.42 | napoleao | I know |
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| 12:22.52 | blondie | so what do you mean? |
| 12:22.55 | napoleao | local users use windows xp, only the server runs on debian |
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| 12:23.00 | liable | yang: lcp-echo-failure 0 |
| 12:23.02 | liable | lcp-echo-interval 0lcp-echo-failure 0 |
| 12:23.02 | liable | lcp-echo-interval 0 |
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| 12:23.15 | liable | yang: add those two lines to wvdial.conf |
| 12:23.21 | blondie | I guess you'd need to use an LDAP server or something to store addresses if Outlook supports that |
| 12:23.36 | napoleao | I see |
| 12:24.20 | blondie | I suppose it might be possible to share a .pst file using samba but Outlook might get upset with that |
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| 12:25.55 | napoleao | yeah I agree blondie |
| 12:26.03 | napoleao | probably the best is to use ldap |
| 12:26.14 | napoleao | I think outlook supports |
| 12:26.40 | napoleao | or maybe use egroupware, I think it sincronises with outlook |
| 12:26.56 | blondie | there's a Sun product we use at work that's rather like Exchange |
| 12:27.07 | blondie | and works iwht Outlook... but it's rather buggy :) |
| 12:27.07 | rob | LDAP is part of AD, so yes |
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| 12:27.29 | liable | yang: ? |
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| 12:28.08 | jfletcher | I just installed vsftpd and added the user "ftp" |
| 12:28.12 | napoleao | yes and I think Suse has an alternative for exchange too |
| 12:28.14 | jfletcher | but I can't see where to put the password. |
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| 12:28.19 | napoleao | have not tried yet doh |
| 12:28.27 | blondie | jfletcher: passwd ftp? (beware of ftp's insecurity) |
| 12:28.40 | blondie | !ftp |
| 12:28.40 | dpkg | i heard ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 12:28.55 | jfletcher | blondie: its only to put a friends stuff on this computer while I reinstall his computer |
| 12:29.18 | blondie | jfletcher: do you mean set the password? |
| 12:29.31 | jfletcher | for the account named ftp |
| 12:29.32 | jfletcher | yes |
| 12:29.53 | blondie | how did you create that account? |
| 12:30.15 | jfletcher | useradd -d /var/ftp ftp |
| 12:30.25 | blondie | well use the passwd command |
| 12:30.32 | jfletcher | I did, still don't work. |
| 12:30.40 | jfletcher | wait |
| 12:30.44 | blondie | does ftp have a valid shell? |
| 12:30.46 | jfletcher | it might be in anonymous most. |
| 12:30.47 | jfletcher | yea |
| 12:30.54 | jfletcher | mode* |
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| 12:32.19 | tam | does anyone know of any software that will do a OCR -> pdf conversion? |
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| 12:33.15 | HardDisk_WP | How do I play DVDs in Debian? |
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| 12:33.29 | HardDisk_WP | MPlayer doesnt give me sound, DVD title menu and plays chapters in fully wrong ordner |
| 12:33.35 | HardDisk_WP | s/ordner/order |
| 12:33.41 | pingouin | HardDisk_WP: try xine maybe |
| 12:33.45 | jfletcher | vlc |
| 12:33.46 | liable | mplayer doesnt do menus |
| 12:33.50 | tam | yeah, xine could be what you are looking for |
| 12:33.57 | liable | vlc ftw |
| 12:33.59 | tam | liable: in development i believe .. |
| 12:34.16 | HardDisk_WP | Paket xine ist nicht verfügbar, wird aber von einem anderen |
| 12:34.16 | HardDisk_WP | Paket referenziert. Das kann heißen, dass das Paket fehlt, dass es veraltet |
| 12:34.16 | HardDisk_WP | ist oder nur aus einer anderen Quelle verfügbar ist. |
| 12:34.19 | HardDisk_WP | dammit |
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| 12:34.29 | HardDisk_WP | dammit |
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| 12:35.22 | HardDisk_WP | !ops pammie QUERYspams for porn |
| 12:35.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: harddisk_wp complains about: pammie QUERYspams for porn |
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| 12:35.46 | blondie | HardDisk_WP: the spammers have been at it for 24 hours now... not much can be done |
| 12:35.52 | blondie | well, maybe set mode +r |
| 12:36.10 | liable | onjoin spammers? |
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| 12:36.33 | HardDisk_WP | !xine? |
| 12:36.33 | dpkg | well, xine is a media library. http://xinehq.de or #xine. Several frontends are available: xine-ui for "generic" X11, gxine (GTK+), kaffeine for KDE, totem-xine for GNOME. |
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| 12:37.41 | rlc | what did I do |
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| 12:38.15 | blondie | peterS: why stop there? |
| 12:38.45 | peterS | uh, where? |
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| 12:39.24 | blondie | 88.230.6.238 and 86.120.52.68 and 85.101.139.145 and 85.106.252.252 are all at the spam game ;) |
| 12:39.28 | blondie | but the list keeps growing |
| 12:39.38 | CharminTheMoose | is it normal for agp aperture to take nearly all of your RAM? |
| 12:40.17 | blondie | stupid people with unpatched/unsecure Windows boxes |
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| 12:41.23 | peterS | blondie: those people don't seem to be in this channel, so. |
| 12:41.32 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: like for example? |
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| 12:41.51 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: aperture size doesnt exceed video memory size i think |
| 12:41.55 | CharminTheMoose | like my agp aperture,it takes up 98% of my ram |
| 12:42.06 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: it's not ram, it's address space, and you probably have plenty of that |
| 12:42.11 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: i doubt that, how do you know? |
| 12:42.52 | CharminTheMoose | agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 93M agpgart: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 |
| 12:42.59 | CharminTheMoose | is what dmesg spews |
| 12:43.19 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: and your total ram is what? |
| 12:43.24 | CharminTheMoose | 128mb |
| 12:43.30 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: do you have a real problem with memory management or is this just what you imagine might be a problem because you don't understand the message? |
| 12:43.35 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: 64 is 50% of 128 |
| 12:44.10 | CharminTheMoose | peterS,most likely 'cos i don't understand the message. |
| 12:44.14 | CharminTheMoose | my bad |
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| 12:44.26 | Arme[N] | in gnome 2.14.3(debian etch) when I try to create an image with "Copy Disc..." option, the icon of cdrom disappears immediately! |
| 12:44.31 | Arme[N] | is there any way to find out why? I mean log file or any thing? I tried syslog, kern.log, messages, dmesgs but I got nothing |
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| 12:44.51 | CharminTheMoose | and no,there is now videoram option in my xf86config-4 |
| 12:45.31 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: that value is autodetected |
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| 12:46.15 | CharminTheMoose | so does agp fill that 93mb of my ram or just 64mb? |
| 12:46.41 | CharminTheMoose | I know i'm being a tool |
| 12:46.44 | bhundven | AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xf8000000 |
| 12:46.48 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: if anything then up to 64, but i dont know really how aperture works, im just reading the message |
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| 12:47.20 | blondie | peterS: they aren'tn people... spambots have been spamming the channel with joins and parts and PMing members for the past 24 hours or so |
| 12:48.28 | CharminTheMoose | so what in the name of all fuzzy things is causing my memory to be at 98% by the time i've logged in? |
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| 12:48.52 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: memory being full is a GOOD sign, not a bad sign |
| 12:48.52 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: it's normal |
| 12:48.56 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: it's cached |
| 12:49.11 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: your ram is also just a little low for a modern system |
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| 12:49.24 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: but in any case ram SHOULD be full |
| 12:49.57 | CharminTheMoose | but,doesn't that then make programs swap and what not? |
| 12:50.02 | valdyn | !free |
| 12:50.02 | dpkg | well, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 12:50.09 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: no |
| 12:50.26 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: buy more ram if its swapping to much, but its not swapping b/c ram is 'full'. |
| 12:51.03 | CharminTheMoose | really valdyn? |
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| 12:51.09 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: i got 1.5G and its more than 99% 'full' |
| 12:51.16 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: yea, really |
| 12:51.18 | valdyn | !free |
| 12:51.19 | dpkg | i heard free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 12:51.19 | CharminTheMoose | oh man,that's enlightening |
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| 12:51.30 | valdyn | !ram |
| 12:51.30 | dpkg | it has been said that ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep, or a type of car |
| 12:51.31 | liable | free memory |
| 12:51.35 | liable | !free memory |
| 12:51.35 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 12:51.56 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: use the 'free' program and learn to read it properly |
| 12:52.12 | blondie | I have 400MB free :| |
| 12:52.20 | CharminTheMoose | ohh my |
| 12:52.25 | CharminTheMoose | that sounded wrong.. |
| 12:52.34 | liable | hah |
| 12:52.36 | blondie | it sounded amusing. |
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| 12:53.02 | CharminTheMoose | please make no assumptions about my sexual preferences by that statement |
| 12:53.05 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 12:53.21 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: ram being full while cache and buffers are very small <- that indicates that you have to few of it |
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| 12:54.10 | CharminTheMoose | to few of ram? |
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| 12:54.45 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: are you male then? |
| 12:54.46 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: yea |
| 12:55.01 | liable | blondie: r u a girl? |
| 12:55.26 | blondie | liable: do you want me to be? |
| 12:55.36 | Zerthis | lol |
| 12:55.46 | HardDisk_WP | I play a DVD with Xine. How do I find out the title number for use with mencoder/how do I rip the DVD?? |
| 12:55.47 | CharminTheMoose | ah,thanks valdyn,blondie |
| 12:55.50 | liable | no, not unless you are in the city where i am atm |
| 12:56.00 | blondie | what city's that? |
| 12:56.11 | liable | perth WA .au |
| 12:56.21 | blondie | ah, fraid not |
| 12:56.29 | liable | blondie: i know your *not* a girl.. |
| 12:56.52 | bhundven | i'm probably the only one up in -8 |
| 12:57.37 | liable | wheres -8? i am to lazy to look |
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| 12:57.57 | bhundven | seattle |
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| 12:59.14 | bhundven | meh. I'm probably the only one that was up all night anyways... I'm sure there are some noc zombies in here somewhere... |
| 13:00.10 | CharminTheMoose | quite evident |
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| 13:00.25 | raf256 | debian testing + 2.6 will be able to use extra keys on multimedia keyboard? |
| 13:00.44 | raf256 | kernel keyboard driver will handle it? kde apps will recive thoes keys? |
| 13:00.46 | liable | depends if they make events |
| 13:01.06 | liable | xmodmap and xbindkeys are your friends |
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| 13:01.18 | Thms | how can i install flash player on etch for see video.google.fr ? |
| 13:01.30 | bhundven | and xev |
| 13:01.35 | liable | !flash |
| 13:01.35 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 13:02.12 | sep | needless to say i axed it immidiatly to save future users it's horrors. |
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| 13:03.02 | liable | sep: windows hardware approved, no doubt. |
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| 13:03.16 | sep | liable, it was that way in windows too |
| 13:03.23 | sep | no driver to set it default otherways |
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| 13:04.12 | piyush_patel | when computer boots using a beep sounds comes and how can i play that from linux command prompt ? |
| 13:05.25 | sep | piyush_patel, the beep package |
| 13:05.25 | Toastie_ | Is there a Firefox repository for Debian somewhere? |
| 13:05.34 | liable | eh? |
| 13:05.39 | sep | Toastie_, what ? |
| 13:05.40 | Thms | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree doesn't exist in apt-get of etch (I have non-free and contrib in sources.list) |
| 13:05.56 | Toastie_ | sep: an apt repository containing Firefox |
| 13:06.05 | piyush_patel | sep : whats the name of the beep package please |
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| 13:06.13 | sep | piyush_patel, beep |
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| 13:06.50 | piyush_patel | thanx |
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| 13:07.37 | liable | Toastie_: you dont like the debian version? get it from mozilla.org then |
| 13:07.37 | oldsparky | Toastie_: apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 13:08.04 | Toastie_ | liable: mozilla.org packages .debs already? |
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| 13:08.48 | liable | Toastie_: i dont know. check there site |
| 13:09.01 | Stardust | Hi, I compile one project and need to install one package (libgif4). If I use aptitude install libgif4, i wants to remove my kde. I tried to use hold for these packages and it didnt work |
| 13:09.03 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 13:09.06 | Toastie_ | Ok. Was hoping Firefox would be in non-free or some independent repo. |
| 13:09.22 | liable | Toastie_: whats wrong with iceweasel? |
| 13:09.57 | Toastie_ | liable: I don't want to get my parents used to another name and branding. |
| 13:10.11 | Thms | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree doesn't exist in apt-get of etch (I have non-free and contrib in sources.list) |
| 13:10.50 | liable | Toastie_: fair 'nough, get it from mozilla then |
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| 13:11.01 | liable | Thms: you need non-free sources |
| 13:11.04 | schme | Toastie_: Why not just rename the icons and what not on the desktop ... ? |
| 13:11.14 | Thms | liable, I have them too I have contrib non-free |
| 13:11.25 | Toastie_ | schme: can't rename the window titles easily |
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| 13:11.42 | liable | Thms: its flashplayer-nonfree |
| 13:11.43 | schme | good point |
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| 13:12.39 | Thms | liable, E: Impossible de trouver le paquet flashplayer-nonfree |
| 13:13.16 | digime | am looking for a VPS running debian, can someone recommend one ??? |
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| 13:14.14 | schme | flashplugin-nonfree works for me .. in contrib |
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| 13:14.44 | liable | Thms: sorry, you were right, it is flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 13:15.13 | Thms | liable, but it don't exists too on etch with contrib and non-free |
| 13:15.18 | tonb | any idea how to make dd if=/dev/sda of=/mnt/file and in same time compres file to bz2 ? |
| 13:15.19 | Thms | how do you do schme ? |
| 13:15.27 | liable | Thms: do an update |
| 13:15.36 | Thms | liable, I did |
| 13:16.01 | liable | !why is flashplugin-nonfree not in testing? |
| 13:16.02 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:16.08 | liable | Thms: ^^ |
| 13:17.05 | castoff | tonb: if bz2 will take standard input then pipe it |
| 13:17.12 | Thms | liable, how do I do so ? |
| 13:17.19 | liable | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 13:17.21 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.21.78.3 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 13:17.32 | liable | Thms: it should be there... |
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| 13:18.21 | Thms | liable, why it is not on my so ? |
| 13:18.47 | liable | Thms: no idea, paste your sources list somewhere |
| 13:18.58 | CharminTheMoose | what's 92856K in mb? |
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| 13:19.02 | Thms | !past |
| 13:19.02 | dpkg | hmm... past is you can also join #flood |
| 13:19.04 | Thms | !paste |
| 13:19.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 13:19.08 | castoff | tonb: bzip2 does take stdIN so dd if=/dev/sda|bzip2 > /mnt/file |
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| 13:19.14 | CharminTheMoose | is there any tool for converting kb to mb? |
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| 13:19.37 | Thms | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4952 |
| 13:19.38 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: What's the simplest, quickest way (preferably a single apt-get away) to have mail delivery on an etch box from within a lan, sending all outgoing mail a main mailserver? i can receive using fetchmail or something so that's no problem |
| 13:19.46 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: type "92856 kilobytes in megabytes" in google :p |
| 13:19.47 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, any calculator application |
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| 13:20.56 | liable | Thms: can you paste also the apt error (in english) |
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| 13:21.29 | Thms | liable, how can i do for in english ? |
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| 13:21.42 | maxy | export LANG=C |
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| 13:21.57 | pat10 | hi!! |
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| 13:22.10 | CharminTheMoose | Eulex:do you do it by dividing the kb by 1024? |
| 13:22.22 | blondie | BYE |
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| 13:22.27 | Thms | maxy, export LANG=C apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree don't works |
| 13:22.42 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: divide by 1000, not 1024 |
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| 13:22.57 | abrotman | LANG=C <command> |
| 13:23.10 | blondie | 1 MB = 1000 KB = 1000000 bytes |
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| 13:23.44 | Thms | liable, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4953 |
| 13:23.55 | blondie | Jimmymaniac: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and tell it to use a smarthost, which is your main mailserver |
| 13:24.09 | CharminTheMoose | i thought 1mb = 1024kb |
| 13:24.11 | Eulex | CharminTheMoose, yes. |
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| 13:24.35 | liable | Thms: and a search for it says? |
| 13:24.39 | Thms | schme, can you past me your sources.list please for flashplugin ? |
| 13:24.42 | Thms | liable, nothing |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 13:24.47 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 13:24.56 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: nope |
| 13:24.57 | schme | Thms: I pasted it to you in a query |
| 13:25.08 | Thms | thanks schme |
| 13:25.19 | Eulex | well, inofficially... one mb = 1024kb. but officially, 1mb = 1000kb. most people use the inofficial way, though, which is really named MiB (or mibibyte) |
| 13:25.21 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: firstly, the M in MB must be capital M. secondly, M always = 1 million. |
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| 13:25.32 | liable | Thms: try another mirror |
| 13:25.33 | blondie | m = milli, M = mega |
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| 13:25.53 | Eulex | blondie, only in SI |
| 13:25.54 | CharminTheMoose | someone came up with a millibit? |
| 13:25.55 | maxy | b = bit, B = byte |
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| 13:26.22 | blondie | Eulex: the M in megabyte is an SI prefix |
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| 13:26.40 | Jimmymaniac | blondie: thanks |
| 13:26.51 | Eulex | blondie, true... but it doesn't mean a million in popular usage |
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| 13:27.12 | Thms | liable, with schme's mirror I have still not the package :o |
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| 13:27.21 | blondie | Eulex: well that's wrong then |
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| 13:27.32 | blondie | what does M mean if not a million? |
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| 13:27.41 | Eulex | blondie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabyte |
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| 13:27.52 | blondie | I'm well aware of what a megabyte is |
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| 13:28.04 | Jimmymaniac | hmmm, didn't had it installed, wonder why... |
| 13:28.14 | jelly-home | well 2^20 is not a million |
| 13:28.15 | liable | Thms: weird |
| 13:28.16 | Eulex | blondie, "Because of inconsistencies in the use of SI-derived prefixes such as kilo- and mega-, the exact number can be any one of the following:..." |
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| 13:28.28 | liable | who has etch here and cant find flash? |
| 13:28.36 | schme | Thms: Did you do apt-get update ? |
| 13:28.36 | blondie | Eulex: but correctly it's one million. |
| 13:28.41 | blondie | I don't care about wrong definitions :P |
| 13:28.58 | Thms | schme, yes |
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| 13:29.32 | schme | Thms: That is very strange :S apt-cache search |
| 13:29.39 | Eulex | blondie, what I'm saying is just that what's 'correct' can be argued |
| 13:29.43 | schme | Thms: maybe? |
| 13:29.52 | Thms | schme, there is nothing too in that :( |
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| 13:30.01 | Thms | how to get my system back in french now ? |
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| 13:30.18 | Knorrie | MB = 10^6 bytes, MiB = 2^20 bytes? |
| 13:31.30 | cahoot | Knorrie: you mean french or german byte? |
| 13:31.33 | Thms | how to get my system back in french now ? I used LANG=C :( |
| 13:31.49 | abrotman | Thms: paste your sources somewhere |
| 13:31.54 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:32.02 | abrotman | Thms: leave it for a moment .. we're going to need more stuff :) |
| 13:32.24 | Knorrie | cahoot: huh? |
| 13:32.29 | Knorrie | :o |
| 13:32.43 | blondie | Knorrie: yes, that's correct |
| 13:32.47 | Thms | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4952 |
| 13:33.03 | Thms | and I get http://channels.debian.net/paste/4953 abrotman |
| 13:33.22 | abrotman | apt-get update has been run ? |
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| 13:33.50 | abrotman | Thms: are you on x86? |
| 13:33.53 | Thms | abrotman, yes |
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| 13:33.57 | Thms | abrotman, AMD64 yes |
| 13:34.12 | cydork | Thms: flash is not there for amd64 |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | Thms: dpkg-architecture .. what does the first line say ? |
| 13:34.33 | maxy | Knorrie: but MB can mean both. |
| 13:34.41 | blondie | cydork: another advantage to amd64 |
| 13:34.53 | cydork | blondie: yep :) |
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| 13:35.07 | Knorrie | maxy: yeah, that's why 180GB disks are sold as 200GB disks :) |
| 13:35.20 | Thms | abrotman, that say AMD64 |
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| 13:35.36 | maxy | Knorrie: well the disc vendor calculated it "correctly" |
| 13:35.41 | abrotman | Thms: pure64 doesn't have flash (not sure if this is the case in windows or not) .. but yeah .. no flash for you! |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | Thms: you could try gnash |
| 13:35.59 | Knorrie | maxy: heh |
| 13:36.12 | Thms | abrotman, how to back in french ? |
| 13:37.13 | abrotman | Thms: export LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 ... i'd guess anyways |
| 13:37.13 | abrotman | Thms: or close the xterm .. it will return to normal |
| 13:37.15 | Thms | thanks |
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| 13:37.33 | Thms | abrotman, gnash is not in apt-get ? |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | Thms: eh .. not for etch ... you'd have to build it |
| 13:37.57 | abrotman | and it's also... beta quality |
| 13:38.00 | abrotman | possibly alpha |
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| 13:38.28 | ericP | is it really true that lynx will not run without at least an empty .lynxrc file? |
| 13:38.28 | abrotman | !simple sid backport |
| 13:38.28 | dpkg | well, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 13:38.42 | abrotman | ericP: try it and see ... |
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| 13:39.20 | Thms | abrotman, I can't install a i386 package ? |
| 13:39.39 | abrotman | Thms: no |
| 13:39.46 | abrotman | unless you do a chroot thing |
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| 13:40.03 | bhundven | thats what she said |
| 13:40.13 | ericP | abrotman, that was my experience, but before decending into an apoplectic fit over stupid and obstructionist practices, i thought i'd see if this A) was true for others and B) had an explaination |
| 13:40.23 | ericP | *then* the rage comes |
| 13:40.36 | abrotman | checked the BTS already ? |
| 13:40.39 | Thms | abrotman, how to do a chroot ? |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 13:40.53 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 13:41.05 | abrotman | ask #debian-amd64 (might be on irc.oftc.net) |
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| 13:41.39 | liable | i dont get it, dont 64 sources have 64 in them somewhere? |
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| 13:42.07 | possie | it is possible to extend and "Extended" partion ? |
| 13:42.09 | iLLf8d | gnight all |
| 13:42.21 | Thms | abrotman, with i386 I can use my dual core ? |
| 13:42.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:42.36 | abrotman | liable: no |
| 13:42.39 | abrotman | liable: not anymore |
| 13:42.53 | Thms | abrotman, so why I use AMD64 :x ? What is the difference ? Just 64bits color ? |
| 13:43.00 | abrotman | liable: for sarge they did .. because it was unofficial |
| 13:43.18 | bhundven | possie: not for the msdos disklabel |
| 13:43.25 | abrotman | Thms: there are a number of reasons .. but if you're asking me what the benefits are ... you dont' need them ;) |
| 13:43.39 | liable | abrotman: oh, it just knows because its a 64 version? |
| 13:43.40 | sep | Thms, most importantly you can access more then 4 GB ram without moving the window, |
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| 13:43.46 | abrotman | liable: dpkg-architecture |
| 13:43.54 | liable | ah, okie |
| 13:45.02 | Thms | abrotman, I386 will recognize my dual core at installation ? like amd64 ? |
| 13:45.26 | abrotman | probably |
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| 13:45.45 | abrotman | both kernels are SMP-capable |
| 13:46.12 | Thms | abrotman, how to know all the differences betwin amd64 and 386 ? |
| 13:46.15 | bhundven | hmm. that makes me wonder.. could you use the bsd disklabel as an alternative to the msdos disklabel on x86? |
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| 13:46.37 | abrotman | Thms: regarding software? |
| 13:46.38 | tonb | thanks castoff |
| 13:47.08 | abrotman | Thms: if you really don't know a good reason for you to use pure64 .. might as well use i386 |
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| 13:49.37 | Thms | ok abrotman |
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| 13:49.55 | mots_ | hi, i just installed swat via apt, but it doesn't seem to work |
| 13:50.03 | mots_ | i cant connect to localhost:901 |
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| 13:52.09 | liable | mots: does netestat show it running? is it in inetd.conf? |
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| 13:52.15 | liable | netstat.. |
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| 13:53.02 | mots | cant seem to find it in netstat |
| 13:53.08 | mots | but it is in inetd.conf |
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| 13:53.11 | liable | netstat -plunt |
| 13:53.24 | liable | anything on 901? |
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| 13:54.25 | mots | just had to restart inetd :) |
| 13:54.26 | mots | ^^ |
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| 13:54.43 | naxxtor | has anyone managed to get Xinerama working with i810? |
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| 13:55.49 | naxxtor | no? me neither |
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| 13:56.57 | litie | Ciao |
| 13:56.59 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 13:57.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:57.08 | litie | c'è nessuno? |
| 13:57.13 | dutche- | how can I save a file with text encoding equal UTF-8 with vim? |
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| 13:57.20 | liable | !it |
| 13:57.20 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 13:57.44 | naxxtor | ok then.... |
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| 13:57.56 | naxxtor | why doesn't xinerama work with my i810 |
| 13:58.09 | naxxtor | http://pastebin.ca/295435 <-- my xorg.conf |
| 13:58.26 | valdyn | naxxtor: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be interesting oto |
| 13:58.29 | abchirk | !ops {V}{e}[K]{i}{L} spam on join |
| 13:58.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: {V}{e}[K]{i}{L} spam on join |
| 13:58.34 | naxxtor | yep just getting to that |
| 13:58.45 | naxxtor | the last error is Monitor 1 and 2 cannot be type NONE |
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| 14:00.17 | schme | naxxtor: I see you problem |
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| 14:00.40 | naxxtor | what is it |
| 14:00.46 | biloti | dutche-: I don't know, but you can use recode to convert from an encode to another (recode 'ISO-8859-1..UTF-8' file.txt) |
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| 14:00.57 | schme | naxxtor: in section serverlayout you refer to your screens as external screen and laptop screen. elsewhere in the config they are external monitor and laptop monitor |
| 14:00.59 | valdyn | naxxtor: paste the whole file |
| 14:01.05 | schme | naxxtor: no |
| 14:01.09 | schme | naxxtor: I am dumb. nevermind me. |
| 14:01.16 | naxxtor | ok :p |
| 14:01.24 | schme | naxxtor: sorry :D |
| 14:01.25 | naxxtor | just a sec |
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| 14:03.20 | enouf | naxxtor: look into xdmx perhaps? check xinerama info on wikipedia? |
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| 14:03.49 | valdyn | umm, xdmx is something else |
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| 14:04.03 | enouf | so what .. it can use xinerama |
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| 14:04.19 | enouf | er control it .. or someshit |
| 14:04.33 | |litie| | Anyone know CROSS BASIC by Siemens? |
| 14:05.02 | yos87 | Hi, I have question, How to give the minimum file size in httrack - text mode? |
| 14:05.07 | naxxtor | pasetbin.ca/295525 |
| 14:05.12 | enouf | they make furniture right? |
| 14:05.43 | naxxtor | there is my entire xorg.0.log |
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| 14:06.14 | naxxtor | ok spell paste correctly and it is |
| 14:06.20 | naxxtor | http://pastebin.ca/295525 |
| 14:06.57 | naxxtor | umm ok that one is pretty useless |
| 14:07.03 | naxxtor | that's the one using the default config file |
| 14:07.06 | naxxtor | hang on |
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| 14:09.07 | enouf | naxxtor: dunno .. maybe http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/os-mltihed/index.html has some info you can use .. never used either |
| 14:10.00 | naxxtor | http://pastebin.ca/295529 |
| 14:10.04 | naxxtor | ok that's the useful one |
| 14:10.19 | naxxtor | the crux being (EE) I810(0): Monitor 1 and 2 cannot be type NONE |
| 14:10.47 | valdyn | naxxtor: why is that error not in the log you pasted? |
| 14:11.01 | naxxtor | it's in the second log i pasted |
| 14:11.14 | naxxtor | the first log i pasted was a successful run with 1 monitor .. oops |
| 14:12.22 | valdyn | naxxtor: (EE) Screen Laptop Screen doesn't exist: deleting placemen |
| 14:12.31 | naxxtor | i don't want distributed multihead |
| 14:13.39 | Jimmymaniac | what was the command again to make X re-read it's fonts (with xorg from etch)? |
| 14:14.18 | valdyn | naxxtor: (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found\ |
| 14:14.26 | valdyn | naxxtor: now looking at your config.. |
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| 14:15.48 | naxxtor | yeah that warning is the TV out |
| 14:15.53 | naxxtor | which i'm not botheed about |
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| 14:16.05 | naxxtor | and the identifier makes no difference |
| 14:16.11 | naxxtor | (i fixed it anyway) |
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| 14:19.04 | wam | ipsec through nat is a damn fucking pain. No docs on the net describe, which ports on both sides firewalls have to be opened with which protocol. |
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| 14:19.39 | wam | I'm throwing away this ipsec-router-bullshit and use openvpn with a few small linux-boxes. |
| 14:19.58 | pablo_ | will etch stable and lenny testing go out before new year? |
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| 14:20.18 | SlayerXP | wam: "grep isakmp /etc/services" |
| 14:20.30 | wam | SlayerXP: yeah and? |
| 14:20.51 | SlayerXP | and behold! your question is answered. |
| 14:21.06 | abrotman | pablo_: who knows ... does it really matter? |
| 14:21.16 | SlayerXP | and you're very welcome, no no, there's no need to send me any money |
| 14:21.18 | wam | SlayerXP: no. The say something about port 4500 for udp-encapsulated esp |
| 14:22.04 | wam | SlayerXP: what help is only ike? |
| 14:22.32 | possie | how can i make linux see my newly created partition without rebooting? /proc/partitions doesnt see my new partition, i've already tried 'rescan-scsi-bus.sh -w -l -c' |
| 14:23.08 | abrotman | is it scsi ? |
| 14:23.12 | wam | SlayerXP: don't I have to close 500/udp so that ipsec remembers to use nat-traversal? |
| 14:23.17 | valdyn | naxxtor: you don't need 2 MonitorLayout options, keep only 1 in first device |
| 14:23.45 | dutche- | how can I change my locale settings? |
| 14:23.52 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:24.01 | pablo_ | does anybody studies computer science? |
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| 14:24.53 | dutche- | when I do "locale-gen" it shows me "en_US.ISO-8859-1... done" but I want to set UTF-8 , does anybody can help me? |
| 14:25.00 | abrotman | pablo_: why? |
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| 14:25.05 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:25.11 | wam | SlayerXP: ? |
| 14:25.15 | possie | abrotman, yes it's scsi |
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| 14:25.35 | possie | abrotman, it's a mptfusion lsi device |
| 14:26.14 | pablo_ | abrotman: just to know if it is similar to the spanish ingenieria informatica |
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| 14:27.03 | possie | abrotman, fdisk -l /dev/sda sees the new partition, however /proc/partitions does not |
| 14:27.06 | abrotman | pablo_: i don't know anything about the spanish program .. so i can't commente |
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| 14:28.10 | abrotman | possie: you can't mkfs on it ? |
| 14:28.47 | pablo_ | abrotman: does it has many physics? is it similar to http://www.fi.uba.ar/guiaestudiante/Informatica.pdf |
| 14:28.58 | abrotman | some do .. some don't |
| 14:28.58 | biloti | pablo_: I guess they are pretty similar |
| 14:29.03 | abrotman | i took physics |
| 14:29.06 | possie | abrotman, well i'm trying to add it to my LVM. pvscan doesn't find the /dev/sda3 device, also pvcreate /dev/sda3 does not work because it says "Device /dev/sda3 not found" |
| 14:29.21 | possie | abrotman, also /dev/sda3 does not exist |
| 14:29.25 | pablo_ | abrotman: what do you mean you took physics? |
| 14:29.32 | abrotman | i had two courses in physics |
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| 14:29.57 | pablo_ | abrotman: i have 4 |
| 14:30.05 | abrotman | pablo_: the man page mentions sync .... |
| 14:30.16 | abrotman | and ioctl |
| 14:30.38 | abrotman | pablo_: okay .. |
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| 14:31.05 | possie | abrotman, should i perhaps create the /dev/sda3 by hand first? |
| 14:31.13 | possie | abrotman, i've al ready tried /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 14:31.22 | abrotman | not sure it would help |
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| 14:32.31 | abrotman | pablo_: my spanish isn't so great .. but i'd say it looks similar .. but many US universities also have GenEd requirements |
| 14:33.02 | pablo_ | abrotman: gened? |
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| 14:33.10 | abrotman | General Education |
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| 14:34.18 | abrotman | possie: what does cfdisk or sfdisk say abaout it ? |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | admittedly .. sfdisk is not very friendly |
| 14:34.56 | Fox | s/very// |
| 14:35.13 | abrotman | hey .. it has a man page! |
| 14:35.32 | yang | liable: still here? |
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| 14:37.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sfdisk is great! |
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| 14:38.08 | abrotman | if you're just looking for partitions .. -l isn't too bad :) |
| 14:38.41 | jesperj | wine says "err:ddraw:DDRAW_Create Couldn't load WineD3D - OpenGL libs not present?" #winehq says jesperj, You need the development libs that should be installed along with the drivers. Does ayone here know what I need to install? I got a nvidia card with nvidia drivers installed |
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| 14:39.30 | Fox | jesperj: how did you install the nvidia drivers ? |
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| 14:40.11 | naxxtor | sorry just had to write a script to post stuff to pastebin from the command line |
| 14:40.29 | naxxtor | right, let's submit some stuff |
| 14:41.20 | mc__ | jesperj: nvidia-glx-dev |
| 14:42.18 | jesperj | good question. I don't even remember which way I finally did it |
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| 14:43.00 | naxxtor | pastebin.ca/295551 pastebin.ca/295553 |
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| 14:43.23 | mc__ | jesperj: did you try to install the package i told you? |
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| 14:46.54 | jesperj | mc_ it is in unstable right? |
| 14:47.27 | jesperj | running etch, (I can download it from unstable though) |
| 14:48.21 | mc__ | !info nvidia-glx-dev |
| 14:48.23 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-dev: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x / Xorg driver development files), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-3 (sid), Packaged size: 128 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
| 14:48.38 | mc__ | !info nvidia-glx-dev etch |
| 14:48.39 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-dev: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x / Xorg driver development files), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-3 (etch), Packaged size: 128 kB, Installed size: 672 kB |
| 14:48.42 | naxxtor | xorg.conf pastebin.ca/295551 Xorg.0.log pastebin.ca/295553 |
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| 14:48.53 | mc__ | jesperj: so it is in etch too |
| 14:49.00 | jesperj | it's not |
| 14:49.04 | jesperj | when i try to install it |
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| 14:49.15 | naxxtor | still getting # |
| 14:49.15 | naxxtor | (EE) I810(0): Monitor 1 and 2 cannot be type NONE |
| 14:49.19 | jesperj | no installation candidate |
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| 14:50.13 | mc__ | jesperj: than you might have to download it from sid |
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| 14:51.44 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: what are you up to ? |
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| 14:52.36 | jesperj | mc_ if i install that, then mesa-common-dev will be removed |
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| 14:52.48 | jesperj | does it affect anything you can think of? |
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| 14:53.12 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: trying to make Xinerama work on my laptop |
| 14:53.54 | mc__ | jesperj: nope,i think that should be ok |
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| 14:53.58 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: DVI for the external monitor ? |
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| 14:54.19 | naxxtor | VGA actually |
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| 14:55.17 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: you told i810 to use DVI ("LVDS, LVDS"). It will not find a DVI-monitor and kill that head. That may kill the other head too. |
| 14:55.30 | naxxtor | ooo |
| 14:55.38 | naxxtor | so what should i be telling it to find? |
| 14:55.42 | naxxtor | two CRT? |
| 14:55.57 | valdyn | i doubt your laptop has a crt |
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| 14:56.08 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: one LVDS (that is for the internal TFT) and one standard VGA. |
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| 14:56.41 | naxxtor | you know what that would be? LVDS, CRT |
| 14:56.41 | naxxtor | ? |
| 14:57.27 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man4/i810.4.html => option "MonitorLayout". I guess it is LVDS and CRT2.... it depends on the notebook |
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| 14:58.03 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: awesome - thanks for that |
| 14:58.41 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: test it. That's the first problem i found in your config. I didn't read it all... |
| 14:59.09 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: that's the only problem i thought i'd have, with that line |
| 14:59.12 | naxxtor | everything else seems fine |
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| 15:00.30 | biloti | is "lenny" sid+1 or etch+1 ? |
| 15:00.48 | asg | biloti: etch+1 |
| 15:00.49 | blujay | sid is always unstable |
| 15:00.51 | valdyn | biloti: sid+1 cant exist |
| 15:00.53 | asg | biloti: sid is just sid |
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| 15:01.25 | biloti | but was not etch+1 sid? |
| 15:02.05 | biloti | will sid remain unstable forever? |
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| 15:02.14 | pumpkin0 | !sid |
| 15:02.14 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 15:02.21 | schme | Perhaps sid need some counseling ... ? |
| 15:02.45 | CharminTheMoose | i compiled the latest version of zgv from source(5.9) and when i go to the src directory and type ./zgv,svgalib complains 'svgalib: can't get I/O permissions' but if i do this as sudo/root it works grand |
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| 15:03.26 | naxxtor | PROGRES! Monitor 1 OR Monitor 2 cannot be set to type NONE |
| 15:03.31 | naxxtor | so I've got the first one right |
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| 15:03.53 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: the compiled file does not have the setui-bit. |
| 15:04.17 | CharminTheMoose | setui? |
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| 15:05.03 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: depending the notebook it may be LFP and not LVDS for the internal TFT ... |
| 15:05.48 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid |
| 15:05.55 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: svgalib usually needs root permissions, setuid means that the program is set to be executed by one uid and then ran under another ( say started by user and run as root for example ) |
| 15:06.46 | CharminTheMoose | oh,heh,thanks pumkin0 and valdyn |
| 15:08.33 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: yeah apparently i810 only supports CRT LFP DFP TV |
| 15:08.35 | naxxtor | and 2 |
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| 15:08.53 | naxxtor | i tried this: "DFP, LFP2,DFP2,CRT2" |
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| 15:09.01 | naxxtor | and it basically hung |
| 15:09.35 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: so the LVDS,LVDS-combo was a bit off ... i guess LFP,CRT is the logical one. But we are talking about xorg-dirvers .. |
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| 15:10.24 | pablo_ | hello, i cant make the wireless to work |
| 15:11.02 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: which driver, which encryption ? |
| 15:11.08 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: which debian ? |
| 15:11.50 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: i meant LFP+CRT+DFP a second ago |
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| 15:12.40 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: yes, debian etch no encryption the driver is right because it worked during the netinstall |
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| 15:13.24 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: put the output of "iwconfig" and "ifconfig" into a pastebin. And "/etc/network/interfaces" too. |
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| 15:14.42 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: i cheked them a couple of times and i think they are right but there is a problem when i type route because nothing apears |
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| 15:15.21 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: try to get one head working at a time. you can switch to xinerama afterwards.... |
| 15:15.44 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: just put them into a pastebin, somebody here will find the error. |
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| 15:17.33 | minerale | I currenly have an ipv4 inet address, however ifconfig shows some pseudo-fake ipv6 address for eth0: inet6 addr: fe80::12:3f:fe:66/64 Scope:Link - and this is causing me confusion with the other *actual* ipv6 inet address -- ie local ipv4 connections are showing as ipv6 when they should not (netstat) - how can I have eth0 be ipv4 only ? |
| 15:17.54 | toymachine | whats the best say to remove drm so you can play your purchased music in linux |
| 15:17.56 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: well it's tricky... I'm not sure what i need to set the monitor to be |
| 15:18.14 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: i've got the switch on the keyboard... and one setting is "both" |
| 15:18.30 | naxxtor | onr is clone and one is LCD only |
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| 15:20.01 | pumpkin0 | toymachine: there are no legal ways to do that. |
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| 15:20.55 | toymachine | i catch your drift |
| 15:21.11 | kryl | Hi, I use sarge, how to update mysql to 5.1 version please ? Actually I use : mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, for pc-linux-gnu (i386 |
| 15:21.14 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: the switch will only ask the driver to change. It does not force something in hardware. If you write config with internal TFT only the startup shuld show the internal TFT only. |
| 15:21.29 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: hmm okay |
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| 15:21.59 | naxxtor | pumpkin0: are you sure about that? I can switch displays even during bootup |
| 15:22.25 | pumpkin0 | toymachine: the "best" semilegal way is to use a loopback cable and record the analog signal again. All other stuff depends on the drm used. |
| 15:22.25 | naxxtor | as in, at the bios's splash screen |
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| 15:23.16 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: more or less. (the BIOS can talk to the chip directly) The chip needs to know if it is driving the internal TFT (a low voltage diff signal interface) or a external thing (VGA). |
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| 15:23.51 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: if /etc/network/interfaces is right and iwcongif is right should the wireless work? |
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| 15:24.54 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: if the config is 100% right: yes. will you show it to the channel or not ... |
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| 15:25.56 | SparcBSD | hi dudes |
| 15:25.58 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: i have to obtain a cable in order to enter pastebin |
| 15:26.20 | biopyte | hi. in order to use the openoffice.org database i have to install a java RE. apt-cache search offers 'sun-java5-bin', 'java-gcj-compat' ... any recommendations? |
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| 15:26.41 | SparcBSD | does debian has any command to send bugs problems by the terminal like in bsd send-pr? |
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| 15:27.08 | pumpkin0 | biopyte: the sun-java5-bin package is the faster JVM. |
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| 15:29.00 | anapivirtua | Hi \ Meuh \ Hihan all :) |
| 15:29.03 | biopyte | pumpkin0, i'm an absolutly dummy in java things. all these runtimes, they basically do the same and should be recognizedequally by any program? |
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| 15:29.31 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/847209 |
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| 15:30.58 | bolbol | Hello |
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| 15:31.16 | bolbol | When I use a cron command that execute a file. Which user will execute the command ? Is it the owner of the file ? |
| 15:31.33 | maxy | no, the owner of the crontab |
| 15:31.43 | bolbol | and with debian which user is it ? |
| 15:32.03 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: is it ok? |
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| 15:32.20 | maxy | The one who has set up the cron job. Unless you're editing the system crontab as root. |
| 15:32.38 | pumpkin0 | biopyte: not all... there are several versions of java: 1.4, 5.0, 6.0. A 5.0 prog will not work on a 1.4 JVM. Get the one from sun (the original), that is the lastest available. |
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| 15:32.49 | cydork | bolbol: man 5 crontab |
| 15:33.07 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: and ifconfig / iwconfig ? |
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| 15:33.20 | bolbol | maxy>and if I edit it as root ? |
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| 15:34.02 | maxy | bolbol: if you edit /etc/crontab, then there is a extra-field where the username goes. |
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| 15:35.25 | enouf | Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 15:35.38 | cydork | bahhh someone should ban those damnned ips .. |
| 15:35.56 | enouf | Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/ root) |
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| 15:36.08 | asg | cydork: you could always just ignore joins/parts from them |
| 15:36.15 | biopyte | pumpkin0: thanks |
| 15:36.20 | cydork | asg: ya i guess.. |
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| 15:36.27 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/847214 |
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| 15:37.10 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: did you setup the WLAN-Router to do DHCP ? |
| 15:37.16 | bolbol | with debian, if I set a directory to chmod 777 |
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| 15:37.42 | bolbol | how to specify that all subdirectories must inherit of this rule ? |
| 15:37.57 | pumpkin0 | maxy: tell me if you are done, i need it too... |
| 15:38.05 | pablo_ | pumpkin0: sure |
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| 15:38.24 | pumpkin0 | bolbol: chmod -R 777 (-r or -R is recursive) |
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| 15:38.50 | bolbol | pumpkin0>yes but other directory are added to my directory so I can't rely on that |
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| 15:41.27 | pumpkin0 | pablo_: that is a correct ifconfig/iwconfig/interfaces pair: http://pastebin.com/847217 |
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| 15:47.05 | sledge_ | hi |
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| 15:47.38 | pumpkin0 | ho |
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| 15:53.00 | pumpkin0 | naxxtor: http://eko.one.pl/index.php?page=Xinerama (scroll down and ignore the text) |
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| 15:54.10 | fcast | nuts! my 320gb drive died today [250gb died on the 1st] |
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| 15:54.59 | Blissex | fcast: condolences. May your hard drives rest in piece(s) :-), after a lifetime of spinning happily. |
| 15:55.15 | pumpkin0 | fcast: that is why people do BACKUPs of important data. |
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| 15:55.29 | Blissex | fcast: anyhow if two different drives dies recently, wonder why. There may be a common cause like heat. |
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| 15:56.10 | pumpkin0 | fcast: and check the smart-status if it is still possible. |
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| 15:59.06 | fcast_ | eh, dunno what messages got through. plugging into cable into the [unconfigured eth0] resulted in /etc/resolv.conf getting wiped. anyway, fortunately i do have backups, but i only keep a single backup, so right now am trying to copy data across to another computer |
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| 16:04.45 | boney_ | hm, im trying to replace line 5 in a txt with some text.. does anyone know how to do this? |
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| 16:05.32 | boneyclone | hm, im trying to replace line 5 in a txt with some text.. does anyone know how to do this? |
| 16:05.43 | boneyclone | if i dont know what line 5 conatins |
| 16:05.46 | yang | boneyclone: open your favourite editor - nano, pico, vim |
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| 16:06.01 | boneyclone | yang: thru the commandline :) |
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| 16:06.24 | simonrvn | and nano isn't CLI? O_o |
| 16:06.38 | simonrvn | (e.g.) |
| 16:06.50 | boneyclone | i wanna do it with a command.. sed etc |
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| 16:07.11 | yang | boneyclone: cat file.txt| more will show you line 5 |
| 16:07.25 | simonrvn | well, kinda hard to do a replace if you don't know what you're replacing |
| 16:07.42 | simonrvn | !uuoca yang |
| 16:07.46 | simonrvn | !uuoc yang |
| 16:07.48 | boneyclone | simonrvn: how about remove whatever text is on line 5 |
| 16:08.02 | boneyclone | and append 'whaeva' to line 4 |
| 16:08.03 | boneyclone | 5 |
| 16:08.05 | napoleao | I have two sound cards in my computer, one built in which I dont use and other pci card i bought it, how can I make the pci one the default? |
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| 16:08.44 | simonrvn | well, when i do that sort of thing, i just use an editor ^_^ |
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| 16:09.07 | boneyclone | working on a .sh, so a editor wont help |
| 16:09.12 | simonrvn | vim foo; dd the line, insert the thing i want; :wq |
| 16:09.27 | simonrvn | that's just a text file... |
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| 16:10.13 | simonrvn | napoleao: probably via your bios |
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| 16:10.31 | jfletcher | I'm gonna burn an .iso to CD with gnomebaker, will gnomebaker automatically know to make it bootable? |
| 16:11.07 | LightKnight | jfletcher: Guess so -- check if there's an option somewhere. |
| 16:11.08 | h3sp4wn | burn it Disk at Once and close it |
| 16:11.18 | sohmestra | jfletcher: if the iso was created in such a way that it is bootable, gnome baker doesn't have to know anything about that. |
| 16:11.19 | h3sp4wn | or use k3b |
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| 16:11.29 | napoleao | ok thanks |
| 16:11.31 | yang | could someone help me around modem initialisation? GPRS modem |
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| 16:12.24 | fulldisclosure | sorry |
| 16:13.12 | zinosat | can anybody suggest a tool for testing how a certain font renders some text: something like pango-view which does not need X (latex seems not good for this; I've tried enscript but have pbs with some encodings) |
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| 16:14.50 | halfbrain | does anyone know what a "Ripwave" is? i was wondering if it works with linux |
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| 16:15.44 | blujay | zinosat: if you have pbs you might try motrin |
| 16:16.17 | zinosat | blujay, never heard about it: I'll give it a go. thanx for the tip |
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| 16:17.07 | blujay | halfbrain: no offense, but it doesn't take half a brain to use google :) |
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| 16:17.23 | zinosat | blujay, it's not packaged yet |
| 16:17.31 | blujay | zinosat: I was pulling your leg...motrin is pain medicine, like for headaches and cramps :) |
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| 16:17.50 | zinosat | blujay, heh:))) |
| 16:18.10 | blujay | zinosat: I was thinking of the old PBS/PMS joke :) |
| 16:18.19 | Gnurdux | motrin == advil |
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| 16:18.56 | blujay | that would be pretty funny though...a Debian package called motrin...maybe with some little games and humor to relieve sysadmin stress |
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| 16:19.10 | resistance | hi, i have debian etch, i played around with the xorg.conf, i screwed up, i put back my backup but when i bootup the logon screen comes on and then it disappears and a funny screen with an X in the center is displayed and thats wheere the comp hangs |
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| 16:19.29 | blujay | resistance: have you checked the X log file for errors? |
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| 16:21.06 | yunhual | hi, ./configure --libexecdir. what does libexecdir means here ? is it mean that the linker will look for library specify by libexecdir ? |
| 16:21.21 | blujay | yunhual: have you tried $ ./configure --help ? |
| 16:21.30 | yunhual | yes |
| 16:21.35 | resistance | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 16:21.44 | blujay | yunhual: have you tried google? |
| 16:21.55 | yunhual | sorry, i am not |
| 16:22.15 | blujay | resistance: I guess you should turn off AIGLX, or switch to a driver that supports AIGLX |
| 16:22.46 | resistance | blujay, how do i switch drivers i have a ATI 9250 |
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| 16:23.15 | h3sp4wn | Funny screen with an X in the center sounds like the normal X screen (just with no wm running) |
| 16:23.28 | h3sp4wn | resistance: ati 9250 /does/ support aiglx |
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| 16:23.32 | blujay | resistance: I know very little about ATI cards, they left me out to dry as a user so I switched to nvidia. but you can change drivers by editing xorg.conf or running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 16:24.10 | resistance | if i went out and bought a nvidia vid card with dual head, which one would u recommend |
| 16:24.30 | blujay | resistance: I don't know, mine is at least 4 years old. ars technica has good guides |
| 16:24.56 | resistance | h3sp4wn, i am using generic driver, how do i switch? |
| 16:25.43 | blujay | resistance: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo?highlight=%28ati%29 |
| 16:25.50 | h3sp4wn | resistance: You should be using Driver "ati" or Driver "radeon" |
| 16:25.59 | h3sp4wn | resistance: Make sure fglrx is not installed |
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| 16:26.49 | blujay | h3sp4wn: since you seem to know about ati stuff, you should consider updating the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo :) |
| 16:28.12 | xingu | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=116738948714084&w=2 |
| 16:29.18 | blujay | xingu: hm...that could be LWN quote of the week material :) |
| 16:29.33 | resistance | h3sp4wn, how do i start the wm, if i only see the x |
| 16:29.47 | blujay | resistance: are you not using gdm or kdm? |
| 16:29.55 | resistance | kde |
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| 16:30.08 | blujay | resistance: do you have kdm? |
| 16:30.34 | resistance | blujay, what is the diff between kde and kdm? |
| 16:30.44 | Gnurdux | kdm is the thing that starts X for kde |
| 16:30.45 | blujay | let's see... |
| 16:30.47 | blujay | !kdm |
| 16:30.47 | dpkg | from memory, kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 16:30.52 | Gnurdux | it displays the login screen and stuff |
| 16:30.56 | peterS | resistance: kdm is the 'login box' app that comes up first, KDE is a whole series of applications including kdm |
| 16:31.26 | Gnurdux | resistance, do you get a login screen or do you start X from console? |
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| 16:31.47 | resistance | ok, the logon screen pops up for about 10 secondsm i do get a logon screen and got one before |
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| 16:32.01 | Gnurdux | resistance, does it look kde-ish, or gnome-ish? |
| 16:32.07 | blujay | resistance: what happens after 10 seconds? |
| 16:32.12 | resistance | kde-ish :D |
| 16:32.20 | Gnurdux | resistance, then you have kdm |
| 16:32.29 | resistance | when i run startkde: cannot connect to xserver |
| 16:32.35 | resistance | and i know it's running |
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| 16:32.38 | Gnurdux | you dont run startkde |
| 16:32.41 | Gnurdux | you just login |
| 16:32.49 | Gnurdux | with the GUI login screen, and it starts kde |
| 16:32.53 | resistance | o, well my logon screen disappears |
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| 16:32.59 | xingu | blujay: mm bugs that have been present since the dawn of time and lead to data corruption are no joke... :) |
| 16:33.03 | yungknight | i think i messed up my server. i was tring to clean up since i had apache1.3 and apache2. so i did the apt-get remove for both and manually deleted the directories |
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| 16:33.05 | resistance | i'm loging it viw putty |
| 16:33.15 | blujay | xingu: is that what he's trying to fix there? |
| 16:33.16 | Gnurdux | resistance, ah |
| 16:33.24 | blujay | resistance: you cannot start kde via ssh |
| 16:33.25 | yungknight | after doing apt-get install apache2 i can't seem to get back apache |
| 16:33.25 | Gnurdux | resistance, what do you mean by "disappears" |
| 16:33.29 | xingu | blujay: yes; see the previous in thread for the description |
| 16:33.34 | yungknight | how do i fix this situation? |
| 16:33.38 | blujay | xingu: wow...you should relaly send that to LWN :) |
| 16:33.39 | xingu | blujay: it's *nasty*. |
| 16:33.47 | resistance | well it is replaced by this screen with an X in the middle |
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| 16:34.05 | xingu | blujay: the various stable bumps will be out within 56h I'd wager |
| 16:34.11 | Gnurdux | resistance, thats wierd |
| 16:34.15 | blujay | resistance: so if you do absolutely nothing and just sit there lookking at the login screen, it disappears after 10 seconds ans is replaced by the X? |
| 16:34.15 | resistance | uh huh |
| 16:34.27 | resistance | blujay: uh huh |
| 16:34.29 | Gnurdux | resistance, like blujay said? |
| 16:34.31 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
| 16:34.38 | xingu | blujay: but you really, really want to catch up with them if you're on an IO-heavy system and value your backing store. |
| 16:34.40 | peterS | resistance: a "screen with an X in the middle" is the default screen you get when you start an X server, when no apps are running on it. the X is your mouse cursor. |
| 16:34.44 | blujay | resistance: try $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:34.57 | blujay | resistance: then $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 16:35.18 | blujay | xingu: that's over my head really...but sounds interesting...please do send it to LWN :) |
| 16:35.18 | h3sp4wn | blujay: My problem is I am no longer using ati (but I have used both a 9800pro and a 9250 with aiglx and the free drivers) everything I know is from memory (hence may not be 100% correct and there is nothing worse than wiki's that are not correct) |
| 16:35.25 | xingu | peterS: fyi too if you didn't see the link prior; not sure kernel internals are your cup of tea exactly but you strike me as someone on channel that needs to know. :) |
| 16:35.34 | blujay | h3sp4wn: oh |
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| 16:35.50 | peterS | xingu: yeah I checked the link. you're right, if that bug has existed for years it's really nice to have it fixed |
| 16:36.23 | xingu | peterS: on-disk corruption with rtorrent and recent (>2.6.17) kernels is what brought it into the spotlight |
| 16:36.39 | peterS | ahh - I haven't read the rest of the thread |
| 16:36.50 | xingu | peterS: no doubt courier or svn or maybe bk workloads would be enough to flush it out too |
| 16:36.50 | peterS | I'm on the linux-kernel list but I almost _never_ actually read that mailbox (: |
| 16:37.09 | yungknight | so does anyone know how to reinstall apache2? |
| 16:37.11 | xingu | peterS: top-24 view on marc works for me - anything hot sticks to the top. |
| 16:37.17 | Gnurdux | yungknight, yes |
| 16:37.24 | Gnurdux | dpkg -P apache2 |
| 16:37.28 | Gnurdux | apt-get install apache2 |
| 16:37.33 | Gnurdux | as root |
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| 16:37.58 | blujay | yungknight: careful with -P that will delete config files |
| 16:38.00 | yungknight | Gnurdux, i did apt-get install apache2 [as root] but it's like i'm not getting apache |
| 16:38.10 | blujay | yungknight: try $ sudo apt-get --reinstall apache2 |
| 16:38.12 | Gnurdux | you did get it, its not installed |
| 16:38.15 | blujay | yungknight: try $ sudo apt-get --reinstall install apache2 |
| 16:38.16 | Gnurdux | *now |
| 16:38.36 | Gnurdux | yungknight, what makes you think it didnt install correctly? |
| 16:39.15 | yungknight | cuz /etc/init.d/apache2 start doesn't work |
| 16:39.22 | blujay | yungknight: why not? |
| 16:40.04 | Gnurdux | !doesn't work |
| 16:40.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:40.06 | yungknight | blujay: i don't know. i'm guessing it is becuz i manually removed the previous apache2 directories |
| 16:40.13 | Gnurdux | yungknight, probably |
| 16:40.17 | Gnurdux | then do, like i said |
| 16:40.20 | blujay | thank you, Gnurdux |
| 16:40.20 | Gnurdux | dpkg -P apache2 |
| 16:40.22 | huhlig | ok stupid question |
| 16:40.23 | Gnurdux | apt-get install apache2 |
| 16:40.29 | huhlig | why does apache require lynx? |
| 16:40.41 | blujay | Gnurdux: careful though, he might not want to wipe out his config files... |
| 16:40.48 | yang | Anyone knows what buggers my GPRS connection ? - http://paste.debian.net/19190 |
| 16:40.53 | Gnurdux | blujay, it sounds liek he already has |
| 16:40.59 | blujay | Gnurdux: well, probably :) |
| 16:41.05 | Gnurdux | huhlig, it depends on lynx? |
| 16:41.12 | huhlig | Gnurdux, yep |
| 16:41.12 | yungknight | i want to get rid of everything |
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| 16:41.19 | Gnurdux | huhlig, doesn't seem to |
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| 16:41.25 | huhlig | Gnurdux, mipsel |
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| 16:41.31 | x_link | Isn't there any command that will show the rpm of my hard drive? |
| 16:41.52 | blujay | x_link: you can probably google the model number for that information |
| 16:41.53 | huhlig | if I remove lynx it removes apache |
| 16:41.54 | Gnurdux | yungknight, what dpkg -P does is wipes out all your files in that package and makes the system forget it was ever installed... then you can reinstall it |
| 16:42.07 | Gnurdux | huhlig, what else deos it remove? |
| 16:42.33 | huhlig | root@FileStation:/home# apt-get remove lynx |
| 16:42.48 | yungknight | Gnurdux: i did exactly what you said but i still can't get apache2 |
| 16:42.51 | huhlig | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 16:42.51 | huhlig | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.52 | Gnurdux | yungknight, apt-get remove doesnt totally forget about it |
| 16:42.58 | resistance | i'm getting insufficient memory for mode and no screens found errors |
| 16:43.02 | Gnurdux | huhlig, interesting |
| 16:43.13 | huhlig | Gnurdux, d3.1 |
| 16:43.15 | huhlig | mipsel |
| 16:43.19 | Gnurdux | yep, apache-common depends on it |
| 16:43.20 | blujay | resistance: did you run the commands I suggested? |
| 16:43.32 | huhlig | im on a very tight hard drive space |
| 16:43.36 | Gnurdux | yungknight, what did the dpkg -P do? |
| 16:43.38 | huhlig | and trying to be frugal |
| 16:44.10 | yungknight | Gnurdux: (Reading database ... 27641 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 16:44.10 | yungknight | Removing apache2 ... |
| 16:44.27 | Gnurdux | resistance, that sounds like what it says, insufficient memory for mode... do you have integrated gfx? |
| 16:44.40 | Gnurdux | yungknight, then you reinstall it with apt-get install apache2 ? |
| 16:44.46 | yungknight | yup |
| 16:44.54 | Gnurdux | then you do /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 16:44.56 | Gnurdux | and what happens |
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| 16:45.16 | yungknight | nothing just a new line |
| 16:45.31 | Gnurdux | then you go to a browser and type localhost |
| 16:45.34 | Gnurdux | what happens |
| 16:45.38 | sohmestra | resistance: try a lower color depth and/or resolution. |
| 16:45.39 | cydork | huhlig: are you using aptitude? i dont think apache-* should depend on lynx |
| 16:45.42 | Alt_F4 | anyone know why I can connect FTP as Active, but not Passive? I'm using ProFTP as my server |
| 16:46.01 | Gnurdux | cydork, it does, apache-common depends on lynx or www-browser |
| 16:46.10 | yungknight | Gnurdux: this is strange. in the installation it says Need to get 0B/33.5kB of archives. |
| 16:46.19 | yungknight | that can't be right |
| 16:46.20 | Alt_F4 | hey huhlig: clear your cache and make sure you actually started apache ;) |
| 16:46.21 | blujay | yungknight: $ ps -A | grep apache |
| 16:46.25 | huhlig | cydork, apache-common |
| 16:46.35 | huhlig | Alt_F4, why would that matter? |
| 16:46.38 | Gnurdux | yungknight, ctrl-c it and redo it |
| 16:46.40 | Alt_F4 | well |
| 16:46.41 | huhlig | this is on an embedded server |
| 16:46.45 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 16:46.48 | huhlig | I have a workstation next to it |
| 16:46.51 | Gnurdux | yungknight, is it done installing? |
| 16:46.52 | blujay | yungknight: it doesn't need to download 33.5kB because it already downloaded it last time you ran the command |
| 16:46.53 | Gnurdux | if so, your fine |
| 16:46.58 | Gnurdux | ah right |
| 16:46.59 | xingu | blujay, peterS: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=116655548003392&w=2 <- synopsis is - bug exists in the mm since forever, but is particuarly provoked by userland memset/sync sequences since 2.6.19 |
| 16:46.59 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 16:47.02 | yungknight | huhlig: it's not in there |
| 16:47.07 | huhlig | what isnt |
| 16:47.10 | Gnurdux | yungknight, anyways, try what i said |
| 16:47.11 | yungknight | apache |
| 16:47.20 | blujay | xingu: cool, thanks |
| 16:47.23 | Gnurdux | yungknight: go to a browser and type localhost |
| 16:47.24 | Alt_F4 | anyone use ProFTP? does it not accept Passive connections? |
| 16:47.26 | huhlig | eh? |
| 16:47.33 | blujay | Alt_F4: have you googled? |
| 16:47.35 | Alt_F4 | OR 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:47.42 | Alt_F4 | wait |
| 16:47.43 | Alt_F4 | hang on |
| 16:47.45 | yungknight | Gnurdux: serve not found |
| 16:47.50 | Alt_F4 | do you have port 80 forwarded? |
| 16:47.59 | Gnurdux | yungknight, try 127.0.0.1 like Alt_F4 says |
| 16:48.08 | Alt_F4 | and 443 ( of course that's just for SSL) |
| 16:48.15 | resistance | i'm still getting the screen with the x |
| 16:48.32 | cydork | huhlig: hmm it does.. well you can just use equives to solve the dependancies. |
| 16:48.32 | Gnurdux | resistance, what graphics card, if any, do you have? |
| 16:48.36 | Alt_F4 | if you're on a different computer the server may be refusing the connection if 80 is not forwarded |
| 16:48.43 | resistance | ati 9520 |
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| 16:48.58 | peterS | xingu: thanks |
| 16:49.05 | Gnurdux | yungknight, if 127.0.0.1 doesn't work, try this: |
| 16:49.08 | yungknight | Alert! Unable to connect to remote host |
| 16:49.15 | Gnurdux | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 16:49.26 | Gnurdux | as root, remember |
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| 16:49.54 | yungknight | Gnurdux: nothing |
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| 16:50.45 | yungknight | this is making a little sense to me. if i manually deleted the dirs and now apt-get is only installing a ~30kb file then doesn't it still think that apache is there |
| 16:50.46 | yungknight | ? |
| 16:50.58 | Gnurdux | yungknight, no, its ok |
| 16:51.05 | Gnurdux | it has the .deb file for apacher cached |
| 16:51.13 | cydork | yungknight: you deleted config files? |
| 16:51.22 | Gnurdux | yungknight, can you try something: |
| 16:51.25 | Gnurdux | killall apache2 |
| 16:51.41 | Alt_F4 | rofl |
| 16:51.42 | Alt_F4 | yeah |
| 16:51.43 | Alt_F4 | haha |
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| 16:51.58 | Gnurdux | yungknight, what does that say/do |
| 16:52.06 | yungknight | no process was killed |
| 16:52.10 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 16:52.38 | Gnurdux | type: apache2 |
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| 16:52.50 | yungknight | command not found |
| 16:52.55 | Gnurdux | are you root? |
| 16:52.58 | yungknight | yup |
| 16:53.06 | Gnurdux | wierd |
| 16:53.17 | Gnurdux | do you leave your computer on overnight? |
| 16:53.59 | yungknight | it's a server it's always on |
| 16:53.59 | Gnurdux | and did you install apache yesterday? |
| 16:53.59 | yungknight | no |
| 16:53.59 | Gnurdux | today? |
| 16:53.59 | Gnurdux | or before |
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| 16:54.00 | yungknight | yea, i've been doing the stuff you guys are saying all morning |
| 16:54.05 | Gnurdux | when did you first installl it |
| 16:54.16 | yungknight | like 2 hours ago |
| 16:54.19 | Gnurdux | oh... |
| 16:54.31 | Gnurdux | so its not in your locatedb |
| 16:54.44 | Gnurdux | can you type: ls /usr/sbin | grep apache2 |
| 16:55.04 | cydork | yungknight: if you have manually deleted the conf. files /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:55.14 | Gnurdux | cydork, i already had him purge and install |
| 16:55.38 | Gnurdux | that should do the same thing |
| 16:55.44 | cydork | Gnurdux: yep |
| 16:55.56 | Gnurdux | yungknight, what is the output if ls /usr/sbin | grep apache2 |
| 16:55.59 | yungknight | apache2ctl |
| 16:55.59 | yungknight | apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 16:55.59 | yungknight | update-apache2-modules |
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| 16:56.07 | Gnurdux | interesting |
| 16:56.14 | yungknight | i manually deleted apache2 earlier |
| 16:56.26 | yungknight | what i did was do a whereis apache2 then delete all those locations |
| 16:56.50 | cydork | yungknight: then try what i said. |
| 16:56.55 | Gnurdux | it should have been reinstalled |
| 16:56.55 | tnks__ | Is anyone having problems updating from "http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main"? |
| 16:56.57 | Gnurdux | anyways cya |
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| 16:57.13 | tnks__ | I'm getting hung with apt-get at that line. |
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| 16:59.21 | martoss | how can i disable the check size_t is signed while running configure? |
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| 17:00.15 | maxy | martoss: don't crosspost please, if your question isn't answered after 2 seconds |
| 17:00.36 | resistance | usr/sbin/Apache is not executable, not starting/reloading. it seems there is still a problem with the old apache in my system, apache2 will not start at bootup |
| 17:00.42 | huhlig | stupid question |
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| 17:00.55 | huhlig | why would apache send me a php file if php is installed |
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| 17:01.11 | SlayerXP | huhlig: because you've miusconfigured apache |
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| 17:01.18 | cydork | huhlig: php module might not be enabled |
| 17:01.27 | huhlig | cydork, it should be |
| 17:01.52 | huhlig | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 17:02.19 | pickcoder | huhlig: is there an AddHandler statement for .php files? |
| 17:02.49 | huhlig | no |
| 17:02.53 | huhlig | addtype yes |
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| 17:03.52 | yungkn1ght | cydork: i did the confmiss thing and used the apt-get command provided but it does the same thing as apt-get install |
| 17:04.04 | petriborg | hey can i ask a debian specific question about pure-ftpd? |
| 17:04.41 | dendrite | !ask |
| 17:04.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:05.40 | petriborg | i'm using the the debian pure-ftpd (so conf is done in /etc/pure-ftpd with the file configs) but when i do pure-ftpd-control restart/stop/start pure-ftpd does not seem to be seeing the changes, and continues to use PAM, any ideas? |
| 17:05.52 | cydork | yungkn1ght: and now what happens in you do /etc/init.d/apache2|apache start? |
| 17:05.58 | manup | hi guys! how can i format my ext.hd with fat32? |
| 17:05.58 | cydork | s/in/if |
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| 17:06.08 | yos872 | Hi |
| 17:06.29 | dendrite | manup: In general, it's best to create filesystems with the OS to which that filesystem type is most native. |
| 17:06.40 | yungkn1ght | cydork: same thing, i.e. nothing. it should say apache now starting or something like that right? |
| 17:06.45 | xingu | manup: dosfstools, mkfs -t vfat |
| 17:06.54 | yos872 | I have ifrared in my hp laptop, How to can I use it in debian? what to packages to install? |
| 17:07.03 | manup | dendrite, but win doesnt support fat32 for >32GB |
| 17:07.21 | perlmonk | ah, yeah, anonymous ftp... only possible reason... |
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| 17:07.28 | moshii | petriborg: scp is slow on old systems.. takes about 10 minutes to login with ssh on my ss20 |
| 17:07.37 | pipeline | moshii: You have a DNS problem. |
| 17:07.43 | dendrite | manup: Well, then see per xingu's remark, but expect trouble in other OS's... |
| 17:07.45 | xingu | manup: you'll probably find that 32GiB is a hard limit for vfat |
| 17:07.47 | pipeline | moshii: It should only take about ten seconds. |
| 17:07.50 | cydork | yungkn1ght: and there is nothing in ps aux|grep apache? |
| 17:08.02 | dendrite | petriborg: Any clues in the logs? |
| 17:08.02 | yungkn1ght | cydork: nope |
| 17:08.18 | petriborg | dendrite: uh just a sec |
| 17:08.27 | manup | xingu, i dont thing so. i have other hds with more space an no problems |
| 17:08.27 | moshii | pipeline: you reckon? not on sparcs without hardware mul/div |
| 17:08.52 | petriborg | not that i see, BUT i did just figure out what the problem is |
| 17:08.55 | manup | xingu, it is fat16. i like fat32. |
| 17:08.57 | pipeline | moshii: SS20 can't use such an old processor. |
| 17:08.58 | xingu | manup: if you manage to fill a 32GiB filesystem with an ordinary (8KiB<->10MiB) mix of files you're going to have performance issues anyway |
| 17:09.00 | pipeline | moshii: You have a DNS problem. |
| 17:09.01 | manup | xingu, how do i do that? |
| 17:09.06 | pipeline | moshii: it's looking you up and timing you out. |
| 17:09.10 | petriborg | pure-ftpd doesn't like it when you use a hard-link between the conf and auth directories |
| 17:09.11 | yungkn1ght | i think i'll just reinstall, cuz that is faster than figuring this out |
| 17:09.25 | pipeline | moshii: I have a minimally configured SS20 and it can saturate its NIC with ssh traffic. |
| 17:09.30 | petriborg | ln /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/PureDB /etc/pure-ftpd/auth/60db <-- i did this |
| 17:09.34 | petriborg | should have been this: ln -s /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/PureDB /etc/pure-ftpd/auth/60db |
| 17:09.36 | manup | xingu, performance is not so important. its for backup. |
| 17:09.36 | xingu | manup: but in any case, dosfstools/mkfs.vfat is as good as it gets; try your luck. |
| 17:09.37 | petriborg | dh :( |
| 17:09.38 | dendrite | petriborg: How lame on pure-ftpd's part! |
| 17:09.39 | moshii | pipeline: I'm very sure an ss20 can take those mbus modules :P |
| 17:09.46 | cydork | yungkn1ght: and there were no errors when you ran that confmiss thing? |
| 17:09.54 | yungkn1ght | cydork: nope |
| 17:09.58 | pipeline | moshii: Anything on an mbus module is too new to lack multiply/divide |
| 17:10.03 | petriborg | dendrite: actually this is all the fault of the debian only wrapper |
| 17:10.10 | pipeline | moshii: only sun4 and sun4c systems have such old cpus |
| 17:10.23 | dendrite | petriborg: Anything in BTS? |
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| 17:10.31 | petriborg | what is BTS? |
| 17:10.36 | dendrite | !bts |
| 17:10.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:10.40 | Tyler | Morning everyone. |
| 17:10.41 | petriborg | ah |
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| 17:10.50 | yungkn1ght | it's still just getting 33.5Kb of data |
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| 17:11.08 | moshii | pipeline: mm actually I think that's true, but you might notice that most systems don't use the gcc flags to enable the use of hardware mul/div so its moot |
| 17:11.10 | Tyler | xingu: Hello. :) So funny thing. The moment I closed IRC to go to bed, my domain started working. :p |
| 17:11.21 | huhlig | duh |
| 17:11.27 | sohmestra | I've just set up TLS support in exim4, but now evolution is telling me my certificate is bad. However, if I download the certficiate and verify it, openssl tells me it's good. |
| 17:11.27 | xingu | Tyler: :) |
| 17:11.28 | huhlig | might help if php4 was installed |
| 17:11.29 | cydork | yungkn1ght: run debsums for apache2. i think you might have screwed up something else :P |
| 17:11.29 | sohmestra | david@zepto:~$ openssl verify -CAfile /etc/ssl/certs/ZettazebraCA.pem zettazebra.pem |
| 17:11.29 | sohmestra | zettazebra.pem: OK |
| 17:11.29 | sohmestra | david@zepto:~$ openssl verify -CAfile /etc/ssl/certs/ZettazebraCA.pem -purpose sslserver zettazebra.pem |
| 17:11.29 | sohmestra | zettazebra.pem: OK |
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| 17:11.59 | pipeline | moshii: gcc? Bah |
| 17:12.10 | Tyler | xingu: Only now my subdomain isn't working and I'm having to access it via opho.be/xen |
| 17:12.14 | resistance | can i somhow edit the startup script on debian etch because it's looking for the wrong apache file |
| 17:12.25 | petriborg | dendrite: i don't see any such bug in BTS |
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| 17:12.48 | dendrite | petriborg: I beseech you to take the time to file a report then! :-) |
| 17:12.51 | yungkn1ght | cydork: /usr/share/doc/apache2/copyright OK |
| 17:12.53 | cydork | resistance: huh? can you explain a bit more? |
| 17:12.57 | petriborg | all right |
| 17:13.05 | xingu | Tyler: the be root still things that gandi is auth. for your domain btw. |
| 17:13.18 | Tyler | What! lol |
| 17:13.22 | Tyler | Oh bugger. |
| 17:13.29 | xingu | Tyler: ie, the zone has not yet been redelegated to your new provider |
| 17:13.36 | resistance | cydork: on startup i get a /usr/sbin/apache not executable, and there is not ever apache file there, just apache2? |
| 17:13.41 | Tyler | Ah well, that might be the case for the subdomain? |
| 17:13.41 | petriborg | thanks guys |
| 17:13.43 | manup | mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdb1 makes Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| 17:13.44 | manup | /dev/sdb1 * 1 10337 78147688+ 6 FAT16 |
| 17:13.48 | xingu | Tyler: test case is - dig @a.ns.dns.be yourzone ns |
| 17:14.02 | manup | why still fat16? |
| 17:14.13 | Tyler | Ah interesting. |
| 17:14.13 | xingu | Tyler: when the zone has been redelgated - it will show the new hosting provider's ns records. |
| 17:14.26 | cydork | yungkn1ght: check the common package |
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| 17:14.37 | xingu | manup: that's just the partition type |
| 17:14.43 | xingu | manup: just change it in cfdisk or whatever. |
| 17:14.54 | Tyler | Righto xingu, so that's when I should see the subdomain working? |
| 17:14.59 | xingu | manup: possibly, this is also why windows won't format as fat32 at a guess |
| 17:15.01 | cydork | resistance: is this on sid? |
| 17:15.01 | manup | xingu, sorry, i dont understand |
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| 17:15.26 | xingu | manup: the partition type is just an integer in the partition table; you can change it, and linux doesn't care |
| 17:15.41 | moshii | pipeline: the only way to build perl in less than a week on a ss20 is to get two of the dual ross modules ;) |
| 17:15.42 | manup | xingu, and windows? |
| 17:15.47 | xingu | manup: windows might, it's been 6y+ since I last cared |
| 17:15.55 | yungkn1ght | cydork it can't get any of the common files, i guess that needs reinstalling |
| 17:16.03 | pipeline | moshii: The Ross modules are actually slower than an 85 MHz Sun :P |
| 17:16.13 | manup | xingu, okay, ill reboot and test. |
| 17:16.31 | resistance | cydork: what is sid? |
| 17:16.39 | xingu | Tyler: exactly so. |
| 17:16.46 | cydork | yungkn1ght: you have follow the confmiss procedure for that package also |
| 17:16.56 | cydork | resistance: which version of debian is this? |
| 17:16.57 | Tyler | Perfect, thanks for all this clarification stuff xingu, it's really appreciated. |
| 17:16.58 | yos872 | I installed irda-util to use infrared in my pc, but how to use it?\ |
| 17:17.03 | pipeline | moshii: You can't put too many 85s in a '20, though, because it'll melt :D |
| 17:17.05 | xingu | Tyler: your whois record *has* updated btw |
| 17:17.10 | yungkn1ght | cydork: ok |
| 17:17.11 | Tyler | Ah good! |
| 17:17.21 | xingu | Tyler: if you get lucky, this means that the transfer hasn't been botched and the nameservers will update at the next slot |
| 17:17.25 | resistance | cydork: etch\ |
| 17:17.27 | xingu | Tyler: if you're unlucky... :) |
| 17:17.37 | xingu | Tyler: suggestion would be - wait 24h; then expedite |
| 17:17.38 | moshii | pipeline: same with big scsi disks :( |
| 17:18.44 | moshii | Does anyone know a nice way or running an openvpn server and client on the same machine with the debian packages? |
| 17:18.54 | resistance | what is the difference between the rco.d-rc6.d? |
| 17:18.59 | cydork | resistance: did you encounter problems while installing apache2 ? |
| 17:19.36 | resistance | cydork: no i can easily start it manually |
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| 17:21.37 | yungkn1ght | cydork: i got back the apache dirs now but it still won't start |
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| 17:24.45 | huhlig | anyone else know why just doing an apt-get wouldnt work? |
| 17:25.44 | mc__ | huhlig: there can be MANY reasons |
| 17:26.12 | huhlig | mc__ mind helping me out a second? |
| 17:26.37 | cydork | yungkn1ght: hmm did you delete anyother files? |
| 17:26.42 | huhlig | mc__ prior question, installed apache, libapache-mod_php4 and php4 |
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| 17:26.46 | huhlig | via apt-get |
| 17:26.50 | huhlig | try to use it |
| 17:27.07 | huhlig | it sends me the script instead of the webpage it was supposed to build |
| 17:27.13 | pickcoder | huhlig: I've installed it successfully a number of times |
| 17:27.22 | pickcoder | did you add an AddHandler statement? |
| 17:27.49 | pickcoder | there should already be one that has to be uncommented |
| 17:28.41 | huhlig | pickcoder, no |
| 17:28.43 | huhlig | its addtype |
| 17:29.07 | huhlig | and yes its there |
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| 17:29.19 | huhlig | underneath a mod_mime |
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| 17:34.07 | pickcoder | huhlig: look at your server headers and see if it shows PHP4 |
| 17:34.24 | roe_ | anyone know anything about the volatile source; I am getting GPG error: http://debian.domainmail.org sarge/volatile Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 7EF7FFF4276981F4 |
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| 17:36.10 | cydork | !apt-key 276981F4 |
| 17:36.10 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 276981F4 ; gpg --export 276981F4 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:36.12 | cydork | roe_: ^^ |
| 17:36.23 | UhligH__ | pickcoder, server headers? you mean the file its sending me? |
| 17:36.51 | pickcoder | UhligH__: wget --save-headers <server> |
| 17:36.59 | pickcoder | look at the http header |
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| 17:38.16 | huhlig | ahh Useful information |
| 17:38.20 | huhlig | why isnt this printing |
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| 17:40.34 | huhlig | hey pickcoder |
| 17:40.35 | huhlig | <b>Fatal error</b>: Call to undefined function: |
| 17:40.35 | huhlig | mysql_connect() in <b>/var/www/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php</b> on line <b>354</b><br /> |
| 17:40.45 | huhlig | php-mysql is installed |
| 17:41.34 | grendal_prime | ok i keep installing a module to /dev/kqemu, something keeps moving it to /dev/.static/dev/kqemu |
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| 17:41.41 | grendal_prime | what the hell is doing this and why? |
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| 17:43.08 | toymachine | what init level does gdm run at |
| 17:44.09 | enouf | grendal_prime: that's udev in action likely |
| 17:44.28 | grendal_prime | ? |
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| 17:45.16 | grendal_prime | ok, well, i need to use my kqemu, and i hate installing it all the damn time...sooooo what are my odds here? |
| 17:45.22 | grendal_prime | options that is |
| 17:45.32 | enouf | grendal_prime: do this grep -ir /dev/.static/dev /etc/init.d/ and this $ grep -ir /dev/.static/dev /etc/rc?.d/ |
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| 17:46.28 | enouf | grendal_prime: tell /etc/udev/rules.d/* or it's variants a specific name/rule |
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| 17:48.22 | pickcoder | enouf: I filed a bug regarding dist-upgrades from Sarge |
| 17:48.46 | pickcoder | enouf: It happened for me after a fresh install with only a kernel update using apt-get upgrade |
| 17:49.05 | enouf | pickcoder: Ok .. very nice .. thanks \o/ |
| 17:49.24 | pickcoder | I also heard reports of it happening for 2.4.27 as well |
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| 17:49.29 | enouf | pickcoder: had you chosen tasksel ? out of curiousity |
| 17:49.39 | pickcoder | I chose Desktop install |
| 17:49.43 | pickcoder | that's all I selected |
| 17:49.54 | pickcoder | it wants to upgrade a ton of stuff |
| 17:49.56 | enouf | pickcoder: right .. ok .. wow .. 2.4.27 too eh? |
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| 17:50.06 | pickcoder | but replacing the kernel and initrd just don't happen |
| 17:50.24 | enouf | hrm .. so it completely brioke it? |
| 17:50.39 | pickcoder | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=404779 |
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| 17:50.48 | pickcoder | it did before |
| 17:50.54 | pickcoder | I'm letting it sit at the y/n prompt |
| 17:51.00 | pickcoder | until I get a response from the maintainer |
| 17:51.05 | pickcoder | or my power goes out |
| 17:51.09 | pickcoder | whichever happens first |
| 17:51.11 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 17:51.20 | enouf | heh |
| 17:51.36 | x_link | Hi enouf ! |
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| 17:52.13 | x_link | hehe |
| 17:52.15 | x_link | What's up? |
| 17:52.23 | abrotman | noone is waving back! |
| 17:52.38 | cahoot | anyone does |
| 17:52.39 | pickcoder | abrotman: computers can't wave |
| 17:52.45 | pickcoder | j/k :P |
| 17:52.50 | SlayerXP | x_link: it's a vertical line running directly through your feet to the local centre of gravity |
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| 17:53.00 | SlayerXP | in your case, most likely the earth's core |
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| 17:53.09 | abrotman | SlayerXP: are you sure? |
| 17:53.09 | x_link | SlayerXP: ? |
| 17:53.16 | resistance | why would my apache2 server fail at startup with the following error: /usr/sbin/apache is not executable. I can start apache2 manually without any errors. i have debian etch |
| 17:53.21 | pickcoder | direction is relative |
| 17:53.36 | abrotman | ls -l /usr/sbin/apache |
| 17:54.22 | cydork | resistance: if it's apache2 it should be /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 17:54.23 | resistance | abrotman, there is no such file, only an apache2 file: no such file or directroy |
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| 17:54.42 | resistance | cydork, i know, but why is it looking for the other one, how can i change that? |
| 17:54.48 | pickcoder | resistance: there is /etc/init.d/apache and apache2 if you installed 1.3 at some point and then removed it |
| 17:54.59 | resistance | i did |
| 17:55.02 | resistance | remove it |
| 17:55.03 | cydork | resistance: it is defined in /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 17:55.07 | pickcoder | dpkg --purge apache |
| 17:55.18 | pickcoder | you don't want apache 1.3 stuff laying around |
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| 17:56.22 | huhlig | pickcoder, any other ideas? |
| 17:56.44 | pickcoder | huhlig: start from the ground up and debug |
| 17:56.56 | cydork | hmm what was the factoid to display the no of packages and package size |
| 17:56.59 | huhlig | pickcoder, ok.. where is the ground in this case |
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| 17:57.10 | pickcoder | huhlig: make sure mysql works from command line |
| 17:57.14 | huhlig | already did |
| 17:57.17 | pickcoder | make sure php works from command line |
| 17:57.26 | abrotman | resistance: guess you foind the problem :) |
| 17:57.33 | pickcoder | then start looking at the /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
| 17:57.42 | pickcoder | as well as other configs for php+mysql |
| 17:57.53 | abrotman | you need php4(or5)-mysql |
| 17:57.54 | pickcoder | er |
| 17:57.59 | abrotman | you need to make sure the extension is enabled |
| 17:58.00 | pickcoder | apache/php.ini |
| 17:58.02 | pickcoder | if you have 1.3 |
| 17:58.03 | abrotman | and apache has been restarted |
| 17:58.22 | abrotman | huhlig: which version of apache .. and which version of php ? |
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| 17:59.06 | huhlig | php 4.3.10-18 and apache 1.3.33-6sarge |
| 17:59.09 | huhlig | both mipsel |
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| 18:04.38 | blondie | argh |
| 18:04.46 | enouf | heh |
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| 18:05.24 | huhlig | pickcoder, abrotman ? |
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| 18:05.32 | cydork | blondie: bad date? :P |
| 18:05.33 | huhlig | /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 18:05.34 | huhlig | right |
| 18:05.45 | huhlig | or does it need to be moved to /etc/apahe |
| 18:06.20 | blondie | no, dodgy switch port or lan cable |
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| 18:07.19 | snowbird | got new router today |
| 18:07.23 | snowbird | wifi next |
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| 18:12.37 | resistance | abrotman: sorry i was out for lunch |
| 18:13.02 | pickcoder | huhlig: are you sure that mysql is enabled in the php.ini? |
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| 18:14.16 | huhlig | extension=mysql.so |
| 18:14.17 | huhlig | right |
| 18:14.19 | resistance | etc/init.d/apache2 seems fine, everything refers to apache2 |
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| 18:14.43 | guzu | hello all |
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| 18:15.34 | pickcoder | [MySQL] in php.ini |
| 18:15.50 | huhlig | pickcoder, its in there |
| 18:15.53 | huhlig | not commented out |
| 18:16.47 | pickcoder | dpkg -l php4-mysql |
| 18:16.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching php4-mysql |
| 18:17.25 | huhlig | ii php4-mysql 4.3.10-18 MySQL module for php4 |
| 18:18.12 | pickcoder | the error you pasted states that php doesn't know what mysql_connect is |
| 18:18.21 | Gnurdux | why doesnt debian have supertux 0.3.0? |
| 18:18.26 | pickcoder | which means php+mysql isn't configured correctly |
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| 18:18.39 | Gnurdux | not even in experimental |
| 18:18.52 | huhlig | ok |
| 18:19.02 | huhlig | pickcoder, wird little issue |
| 18:19.07 | huhlig | I fixed the mysql |
| 18:19.08 | pickcoder | since it's installed, it has to be a config problem |
| 18:19.12 | Gnurdux | ohh, its a development version |
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| 18:19.27 | huhlig | if I wget localhost |
| 18:19.30 | huhlig | I get the mainpage |
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| 18:19.35 | huhlig | if I do it from outside |
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| 18:19.39 | huhlig | I get it downloaded |
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| 18:20.34 | abrotman | huhlig: grep mysql /etc/php4/apache/php.ini .. get anything ? |
| 18:20.43 | pickcoder | huhlig: try with lynx |
| 18:21.04 | abrotman | resistance: then use that one |
| 18:21.12 | huhlig | pickcoder, works fine |
| 18:21.45 | pickcoder | is the AddType defined in the server config or a vhost? |
| 18:21.53 | huhlig | server |
| 18:22.00 | huhlig | no vhosts used |
| 18:22.15 | pickcoder | stop apache and make sure it's completely dead |
| 18:22.25 | huhlig | done |
| 18:22.40 | huhlig | gah!!! |
| 18:22.43 | huhlig | its still offering |
| 18:22.51 | pickcoder | ask #apache |
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| 18:23.11 | huhlig | it must be webmin |
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| 18:23.35 | pickcoder | no.. it's a config problem with apache |
| 18:23.39 | pickcoder | or it would render the php |
| 18:23.47 | pickcoder | and you would get PHP errors |
| 18:23.54 | huhlig | pickcoder, apache isnt running |
| 18:23.54 | pickcoder | if php+mysql was misconfigured |
| 18:24.00 | huhlig | its still spitting out the php file |
| 18:24.18 | pickcoder | huhlig: webmin has it's own service |
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| 18:24.28 | huhlig | pickcoder, I know |
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| 18:24.40 | huhlig | if apache isnt running |
| 18:24.45 | huhlig | how is it serving on port 80 |
| 18:24.54 | pickcoder | ps ax | grep apache |
| 18:25.21 | huhlig | none |
| 18:25.28 | pickcoder | netstat -ap | grep www |
| 18:26.25 | xingu | pickcoder, huhlig: apache's process is "httpd" isn't it? |
| 18:26.38 | huhlig | none |
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| 18:26.53 | pickcoder | netstat -ap | grep 80 |
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| 18:27.01 | pickcoder | something has to be listening on port 80 |
| 18:27.02 | FuriousRage | any way to get my debian sarge install cd to find my nForce 4 network card? |
| 18:27.10 | pickcoder | if you can get it with a browser |
| 18:27.23 | pickcoder | xingu: on RH maybe |
| 18:27.36 | huhlig | unless firefox is being flakey |
| 18:27.46 | huhlig | ok, nope |
| 18:27.47 | xingu | huhlig: telnet localhost 80 ? |
| 18:27.51 | huhlig | fully restarted firefox |
| 18:27.54 | huhlig | its still receiving |
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| 18:28.11 | pickcoder | huhlig: are you using a domain name or an IP |
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| 18:28.24 | huhlig | ip |
| 18:28.38 | pickcoder | and that IP is your box |
| 18:28.39 | xingu | huhlig: netstat -anp | grep :80 |
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| 18:28.44 | huhlig | ahh |
| 18:28.47 | huhlig | its firefox |
| 18:28.49 | huhlig | being flakey |
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| 18:29.49 | rjent | greetings, if I am missing the /dev/dsp do I need to install something for it to be configured in my system? thx |
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| 18:30.38 | pickcoder | !tell rjent about alsa one-liner |
| 18:30.46 | xingu | rjent: if "/dev/snd" exists, what happens if you run the same command with "aoss ..." |
| 18:31.23 | rjent | xingu: nothing |
| 18:31.59 | rjent | xingu: just returns the prompt with no output. |
| 18:32.16 | xingu | rjent: does /dev/snd/* exist? |
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| 18:33.29 | rjent | xingu: I have a couple of things to try. It will take a few minutes for me to test. I appreciate your help. |
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| 18:34.28 | xingu | rjent: aoss is a userland wrapper that provides ~complete oss emulation for alsa-fied systems; it's intrinsically a better solution than snd-pcm-oss *in my opionion* |
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| 18:35.52 | xingu | rjent: the question you've asked two parts; first - "I am missing the legacy OSS pcm device, /dev/dsp - do I have a sound device driver?" and second - "how do I run legacy OSS applications in a modern userland" |
| 18:36.16 | xingu | rjent: appreciate you're busy; I'm not always here either, but occasionally I am. :) |
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| 18:45.55 | yungknight | i just got apache to get back up and running, how do i bind it to 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:46.19 | yungknight | i'm just guessing that is what needs to be done since www.themodule.net gives a 404 |
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| 18:46.46 | azeem | yungknight: 127.0.0.1 is the loopback interface |
| 18:47.01 | azeem | yungknight: binding it to that will make it invisible to the outside internet I guess |
| 18:47.52 | yungknight | sorry my ip address that is |
| 18:47.54 | yungknight | for my server |
| 18:47.59 | pickcoder | 404 is page not, found. You would get an error from your browser if you couldn't connect. |
| 18:47.59 | karsten | yungknight: Mind: apache binds to _all_ addresses by default. |
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| 18:48.11 | pickcoder | yungknight: look at your doc root setup |
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| 18:48.20 | karsten | yungknight: Unless you want it to only be accessible on a given IP, leave it alone. Or see #apache. |
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| 18:50.22 | yungknight | pickcoder: where is the docroom setup. so many conf files i'm just confused, but shouldn't it be /var/www by default |
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| 18:50.43 | piper69 | Hello everyone |
| 18:50.53 | me_here | nighty |
| 18:50.59 | pickcoder | yungknight: which version of apache |
| 18:51.06 | yungknight | 2 |
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| 18:51.23 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.29 | pickcoder | look in there for site configs |
| 18:52.38 | yungknight | that dir is empty |
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| 18:53.29 | yungknight | do i put something in there? |
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| 18:54.41 | Neoack | Salut a tous |
| 18:54.58 | Neoack | personne ne peut m'aider svp je suis dans le caca |
| 18:55.25 | me_here | !fr |
| 18:55.25 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:55.35 | Neoack | ok thank |
| 18:57.41 | piper69 | is there is any debian or linux application able to send sms to cellphone over the internet |
| 18:58.00 | karsten | piper69: email. |
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| 18:58.28 | karsten | piper69: Most mobile providers offer one or more email => SMS gateways. However the details can be quite arcane. |
| 18:58.29 | piper69 | karsten: how? do you mind if you show me how please |
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| 18:58.36 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:59.14 | karsten | piper69: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_gateways |
| 18:59.51 | karsten | piper69: ... or google. "sms email" or "sms email gateways" seems to turn up stuff. Throw your mobile provider into the mix for specifics. |
| 19:00.12 | resistance | hi everyone, i just dpkg-reconfigured my xorg and swtiched to ati driver, i have two screens hooked to a 9250, both were working with vesa, one is crt, and one is lcd, the lcd is now not working: video mode not supported. |
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| 19:00.41 | karsten | piper69: At work we use a product for this purpose, apparently the M&A activity of mobile providers means a given provider might have many gateways, not all linked. Or it could just be that the proprietary vendors want you to believe that to buy their products. |
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| 19:01.05 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Get more good atoms. |
| 19:01.17 | pickcoder | yungknight: ask #apache |
| 19:01.25 | CharminTheMoose | can i buy them at the atom store?:p |
| 19:01.40 | Neoack | Everyboby know openmct for mass |
| 19:01.44 | Neoack | ?? |
| 19:01.45 | CharminTheMoose | and by the second amsn I mean in evilwm |
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| 19:02.05 | karsten | Neoack: Pardon? That's not clear. |
| 19:02.22 | blondie | !confuse karsten |
| 19:02.23 | dpkg | Yes, what are their ferret yesterday, karsten? lederhosen of the republic of swaziland with extra herring |
| 19:02.27 | Neoack | Karsten connais tu openmct |
| 19:02.38 | karsten | Neoack: Je ne parle pas Francais. |
| 19:02.39 | CharminTheMoose | !confuse me |
| 19:02.40 | dpkg | Yes, who are my pants today, charminthemoose? pants of the republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 19:02.43 | piper69 | karsten: i work for a cellphone company , i know if i want to send an sms to anyof our cs i can send it thru email but what if i don't know the gateway? |
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| 19:02.51 | blondie | Neoack: english |
| 19:02.52 | Neoack | do you know openmct ??? |
| 19:03.00 | karsten | piper69: Heh. |
| 19:03.09 | karsten | piper69: Contact your ops folks. |
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| 19:05.04 | karsten | piper69: Try: 10digitphonenumber@metropcs.sms.us |
| 19:05.05 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 19:05.21 | karsten | piper69: http://www.supcast.com/providers.txt |
| 19:05.55 | piper69 | karsten: hey i can't complain because they made my cell so that i can call anywhere in the world no charge , i will not complain |
| 19:06.10 | karsten | piper69: Or 10digitphonenumber@mymetropcs.com http://www.notepage.net/smtp.htm |
| 19:06.15 | karsten | piper69: :-) |
| 19:06.43 | karsten | piper69: As I said: many carriers have consolidated numerous systems and my not have a single email gateway for all numbers. |
| 19:07.03 | karsten | piper69: Anyhow, try one of those two (if you're MetroPCS) and see if one works. |
| 19:07.41 | karsten | piper69: If you're looking for a generalized solution for numerous people, a contacts database with a specific Email-SMS gateway field may be necessary. |
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| 19:08.37 | piper69 | karsten: what is MetroPCS? ;) |
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| 19:09.11 | karsten | piper69: The owner of your IP space ;-) |
| 19:09.28 | piper69 | lol |
| 19:09.28 | odla | any recommendations for a good calendar program for gnome? |
| 19:09.38 | karsten | piper69: Otherwise you're on SBCGlobal space. I figured that might be who you're working for. |
| 19:09.44 | karsten | odla: cal ;-) |
| 19:09.59 | piper69 | ;-) bad boy |
| 19:10.07 | karsten | piper69: Good guess on my part?] |
| 19:10.11 | piper69 | why would you chck on my ip |
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| 19:10.18 | odla | karsten: cal? no such program |
| 19:10.42 | karsten | !installit |
| 19:10.42 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 19:11.01 | karsten | piper69: Spam-hunter habits, curious as to where people are coming from. |
| 19:11.27 | PaSurf | I am getting errors in my dmesg "CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = 113" any ideas, not getting anything via Google... |
| 19:11.27 | odla | karsten: apt-cache show cal...shows no program |
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| 19:11.35 | karsten | odla: That was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. cal is a text-based calendar printer. Evolution has calendaring features. I like KDE's Kalendar. |
| 19:11.44 | odla | karsten: i see |
| 19:11.52 | Neoack | I think debian-fr is a bad communauty because i ask question and they kick and ban me |
| 19:12.05 | piper69 | karsten: pm pls |
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| 19:12.09 | karsten | Neoack: Um. Talking shit might do that. |
| 19:12.41 | blondie | Neoack: and yet you're in the channel still? |
| 19:13.25 | yungknight | ok i've fixed the apache problem and i did $apt-get install php5 . apparently it stopped the server and loaded the module i even manually reloaded the server, but it still isn't server php |
| 19:13.40 | yos87 | Hi, I forget my nickname password , How to reset it? |
| 19:13.53 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.15 | yos87 | pickcoder: ok |
| 19:14.27 | PaSurf | I am getting errors in my dmesg "CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = 113" any ideas, not getting anything via Google... |
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| 19:14.59 | Zap-W | what does the log say |
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| 19:15.02 | Zap-W | syslog |
| 19:15.45 | PaSurf | syslog shows nothing.. |
| 19:15.49 | yos87 | pickcoder: nothing to reset |
| 19:16.15 | PaSurf | The system will mount the network share with mount -a with no problems, its just when I put the info in fstab.... |
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| 19:16.38 | tnks__ | "apt-get update" is getting hung on one of my machines. |
| 19:16.48 | guzu | hmm, looks like etchrc1 is succeeding where potato and woody failed |
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| 19:16.50 | tnks__ | I tried an "apt-get clean", but that didn't help. |
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| 19:17.02 | guzu | blondie, are you around? |
| 19:17.19 | azeem | guzu: did you try sarge? |
| 19:17.19 | rjent | PaSurf: can you paste example info from dmesg? |
| 19:17.30 | pickcoder | PaSurf: mount -a mounts entries in fstab without noauto |
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| 19:17.41 | pickcoder | PaSurf: you statement makes no sense |
| 19:17.42 | azeem | guzu: the current version |
| 19:17.44 | tnks__ | There's the normal "Get" and "Hit" lines... then I get "99% [13 Packages gzip 0]" and it's stuck. |
| 19:17.46 | pickcoder | s/you/your |
| 19:17.49 | guzu | azeem, what version is called sarge? |
| 19:17.52 | Zap-W | PaSurf, maybe the network isnt up yet by the time the init scripts try to mount stuff in fstab |
| 19:17.55 | azeem | guzu: 3.1 |
| 19:18.12 | guzu | azeem, no, i didn't |
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| 19:18.27 | azeem | well, if etchrc1 works, fine |
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| 19:18.41 | PaSurf | Zap-W: the network is always running. This is a Debian machine connecting to an existing network... |
| 19:18.42 | azeem | I just wonder who gave you the idea to try woody/potato before sarge |
| 19:18.46 | plb | etch guiinstaller is lovely |
| 19:18.52 | guzu | azeem, thank you very much, if etch is slow, i'll try sarge then |
| 19:19.13 | guzu | azeem, that's whati had in my cd pilloe :) |
| 19:19.18 | Zap-W | PaSurf, if you reboot it isnt :) |
| 19:19.22 | plb | When is etch to be released now...January sometime? |
| 19:19.25 | PaSurf | pickcoder: I have several enteries in the fstab. One is a raidarray which does not load either, and then this network share. |
| 19:19.26 | guzu | or whatever s/pilloe/tower |
| 19:19.46 | pickcoder | PaSurf: maybe your interface is not becoming live before mount mounts the file system.. afterall you can't run scripts if they aren't mounted |
| 19:19.50 | guzu | azeem, it's an old and buggy computer |
| 19:20.09 | PaSurf | Zap-W: Are you talking about the existing network. That network is always up, I dont reboot the network, just machine attaching to it... |
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| 19:21.16 | pickcoder | PaSurf: everything in fstab is mounted before stuff is loaded |
| 19:21.23 | PaSurf | pickcoder: We had looked at the logs and at least for the raidarray the Fusion device was loading and is compiled, but was not mounting.. |
| 19:21.28 | pickcoder | PaSurf: otherwise you have no root filesystem to load from! |
| 19:21.57 | PaSurf | pickcoder: so how do you get stuff to load at reboot (on this machine) if fstab gets loaded after the fact? |
| 19:21.58 | pickcoder | PaSurf: so the initrd/initramfs contains the driver for the raid? |
| 19:22.01 | sohmestra | how do I get an application (eg, evolution, thunderbird) to verify a certificate signed by a non-offical CA (my own)? |
| 19:22.07 | PaSurf | pickcoder: yes.. |
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| 19:22.10 | pickcoder | PaSurf: initrd |
| 19:22.17 | blondie | guzu: yes |
| 19:22.27 | blondie | sounds like my SATA disks on sarge |
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| 19:22.38 | infernix | a Celeron D 351 is hyperthreading capable, right? |
| 19:22.42 | sohmestra | I've put the CA certificate in /etc/ssl/certs, but that doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 19:22.45 | blondie | they don't get mount at boot despite being in fstab, which means the NFS exports don't work >.< |
| 19:22.59 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.14 | sohmestra | verifying the certificate using openssl verify, succedes, so I'm assuming that applications just don't know where to find my CA cert |
| 19:23.17 | blondie | CharminTheMoose: well it is evil isn't it! |
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| 19:23.22 | guzu | blondie, looks like etch is working on thatcomputer i mentioned yesterday (only the nic is a new one, 8139) |
| 19:23.34 | rahul | camels sholdn't try to be evil |
| 19:23.34 | medc | hello i installed the Nvdia 9xxx drivers and it works fine when installed....after rebooting the pc it cant initialize GLX....any idea? |
| 19:23.41 | guzu | blondie, where potato andwoody reboots |
| 19:23.41 | sohmestra | any pointers? |
| 19:23.42 | CharminTheMoose | is anyone help to help me? |
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| 19:23.46 | odla | stupid icedove doesn't work correctly with some mozilla extensions |
| 19:23.49 | PaSurf | blondie: so all the local devices that are in the fstab are those getting loaded (cdrom, etc) from the fstab file? |
| 19:23.59 | blondie | PaSurf: no |
| 19:24.08 | blondie | they should be, but don't |
| 19:24.11 | blondie | the SATA disks don't |
| 19:24.20 | blondie | they silently flail to load |
| 19:24.24 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: it probably tries to find out something about the WM, and evilwm doesn't set that up |
| 19:24.25 | blondie | guzu: good |
| 19:24.47 | blondie | PaSurf: it's not a major problem as I don't reboot except for kernel/hardware upgrades |
| 19:24.54 | medc | hello i installed the Nvdia 9xxx drivers and it works fine when installed....after rebooting the pc it cant initialize GLX....any idea? |
| 19:24.59 | CharminTheMoose | rahul:set that up? |
| 19:25.02 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: hmm, very strange... |
| 19:25.07 | guzu | medc, selinux? |
| 19:25.09 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: it's looking for atom 0!? |
| 19:25.11 | yos87 | I forget my nick password, How to reset it ! |
| 19:25.18 | PaSurf | blondie: so what does the fstab file do? I have been reading all these tutorials talking about the fstab file and adding commands for the cifs mount etc... Errrr... |
| 19:25.30 | CharminTheMoose | it works fine in windowmaker though |
| 19:25.34 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: yeah, I guess there's supposed to be an atom id somewhere and it's not there, so it gets 9 |
| 19:25.36 | PaSurf | So basically if I want it to mount, It needs to be in the initrd? |
| 19:25.38 | rahul | er 0 |
| 19:25.45 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: because it's more fully-featured |
| 19:26.07 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 19:26.13 | rahul | silly camel! amsn is for moose! |
| 19:26.21 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 19:26.42 | zinosat | anyone has experience with pbuilder? I'd like to know how difficult it'd be to use it to automatically run pango-view for grabbing some pngs (NB: pango-view needs X) |
| 19:26.43 | CharminTheMoose | i was enjoying evilwm |
| 19:26.47 | PaSurf | where would I find the initrd on the system? |
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| 19:26.51 | CharminTheMoose | ah well |
| 19:27.13 | karsten | PaSurf: /boot |
| 19:27.15 | PaSurf | Is the initrd where mount scripts go? |
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| 19:27.31 | rahul | what are mount scripts? |
| 19:27.42 | Zap-W | it's a shame though ,Redhat is smart enouth to put network stuff in their sysinit script before activing stuff in fstab |
| 19:27.53 | blondie | PaSurf: it's a list of filesystems and their mount points, many of which will mount on boot... mine are meant to mount, but they don't work for some reason |
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| 19:28.22 | karsten | Zap-W: set your NFS / network mounts to non-auto. Or use an automounter. |
| 19:28.34 | medc | guzu, debian etch |
| 19:28.36 | karsten | !automounter |
| 19:28.47 | Zap-W | i know that |
| 19:28.54 | dbe | karsten: Do you know SuperCollider? |
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| 19:29.14 | valdyn | Zap-W: fstab contents aren't all mounted at first pass |
| 19:29.15 | rahul | Zap-W: er... what if network stuff needs /usr? |
| 19:29.15 | Zap-W | er |
| 19:29.20 | PaSurf | blondie: I have been messing with the raidarray for some time trying to track down why it doesn't get mounted when the system loads, even though in the dmesg it shows up and is identified... So, do I have to create a file in the initrd or is it similar to fstab? |
| 19:29.48 | blondie | PaSurf: what kernel do you have? |
| 19:29.49 | Zap-W | rahul, then it will be checked second time in the regular rc2 scripts |
| 19:29.52 | karsten | dbe: Old drinking buddies. |
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| 19:30.08 | karsten | Feh. |
| 19:30.09 | guzu | !selinux |
| 19:30.10 | dpkg | somebody said selinux was NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 19:30.11 | PaSurf | 2.6.8-3 |
| 19:30.12 | rahul | Zap-W: so you'll get spurious errors |
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| 19:30.23 | blondie | php3... ewww |
| 19:30.27 | dbe | karsten: author: stefan kersten <--- Thats not you? |
| 19:30.28 | piper69 | RichiH: i need your help please |
| 19:30.30 | yungknight | i've installed php5 with the proper docroot for my site and reload apache but it's still not processing the php file |
| 19:30.38 | castoff | Zap-W: here is one form on it http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=456024 |
| 19:30.38 | blondie | PaSurf: sarge? I think it's the old kernel that's the problem (I'm using 2.6.8 too) |
| 19:30.39 | yungknight | any ideas on this? |
| 19:30.47 | tnks__ | hmm... I figured out the errant line in my sources.list file... it seems the A/DeMuDi repository is broken. |
| 19:30.51 | karsten | dpkg: automounter is a program that automatically mounts filesystems on demand. Useful for networked or removeable media (floppies, USB sticks, CDs, DVDs, NFS, CIFS, etc.). See autofs, amd. |
| 19:30.51 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 19:31.01 | dbe | karsten: The guy call himself for karsten. |
| 19:31.12 | karsten | dbe: Nope. |
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| 19:31.24 | dbe | karsten: Old drinking...? |
| 19:31.26 | Zap-W | i don't know exactly what it does , but they've done it in redhat.., |
| 19:31.31 | PaSurf | blondie: I tried the latest kernel at the time (2.6.8-19 or 20) and the system only had problems.. I guess I could try something in the middle... |
| 19:31.32 | SlayerXP | i'm having brainfade here. on a new system I get "Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" when installing. what do I need to install to have that work correctly? |
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| 19:32.19 | PaSurf | blondie: I wonder what kernel addresses the issue? Thing is, on my desktop ubuntu install the same commands seem to work fine (from command line) |
| 19:32.27 | blondie | PaSurf: I want to put an etch kernel in there... like 2.6.18 :P |
| 19:32.33 | blondie | but am waiting for it to be stable |
| 19:32.41 | blondie | what commans? |
| 19:32.42 | kombi | couldn't fetch package Packages.bz2 MD5 incorrect <- need I be worried? |
| 19:32.42 | blondie | +d |
| 19:32.44 | karsten | SlayerXP: gpg key |
| 19:32.47 | PaSurf | same here.... |
| 19:33.11 | SlayerXP | karsten: gpg is installed.. |
| 19:33.21 | HymnToLife | Etch is stable enough for me |
| 19:33.21 | karsten | SlayerXP: *release* keys. |
| 19:33.27 | cahoot | topic? |
| 19:33.44 | SlayerXP | karsten: ditto the debian keyring |
| 19:33.49 | karsten | SlayerXP: Hrm. |
| 19:34.15 | kombi | how would I correct the MD5 sum on Packages.bz2 anyway? |
| 19:34.38 | karsten | kombi: download the proper packages list. Re-download your lists (aptitude update) |
| 19:34.58 | pickcoder | PaSurf: just setup an init script as S99 and K99 to run your mount statement |
| 19:35.01 | kombi | karsten: that's when it occurs.. (I do apt-get update) |
| 19:35.11 | pickcoder | something like /etc/init.d/mount-netfs |
| 19:35.29 | karsten | kombi: Could be an out-of-sync archive / mirror. |
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| 19:35.49 | pickcoder | if something that loads at boot needs to access the net fs, then you need to adjust the 99 number to a number just before that application starts |
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| 19:36.08 | karsten | pickcoder: .... or background the accessing process / command. |
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| 19:36.28 | kombi | karsten: strange, aptitude doesn't through the MD5 errors, I thought aptitude and apt-get were pretty much alike.. |
| 19:36.39 | karsten | kombi: Hrm. |
| 19:37.03 | kombi | karsten: I'll try a different mirror then |
| 19:37.11 | karsten | kombi: They _are_ different implementations. That actually could be an aptitude bug if it's the case. |
| 19:37.23 | pickcoder | PaSurf: Etch has an rc.local post-boot script that you can launch things in |
| 19:37.24 | CharminTheMoose | how do you search inside a man page? |
| 19:37.40 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: '/' or your pager's search function. |
| 19:37.41 | lunaphyte | / |
| 19:37.44 | kombi | karsten: I like bugs that through less errors at me though..;) |
| 19:37.45 | pickcoder | I don't advise a dist-upgrade though.. it's be blowing up recently |
| 19:37.51 | pickcoder | s/be/been |
| 19:37.54 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Or: 'man <topic> | col | grep -C4 <regex> |
| 19:38.05 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... which I like for doing contextual searches quickly. |
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| 19:38.17 | karsten | pickcoder: s/been/be/ |
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| 19:40.01 | kombi | karsten: weired, toggle between aptitude and apt-get a couple of times and things work again, I dig it. thanks karsten |
| 19:41.11 | karsten | kombi: Cool. |
| 19:41.18 | PaSurf | castoff: thanks for the link, looks exactly like my error! :) |
| 19:41.29 | karsten | kombi: Sometimes blowing away your package lists can help as well, forces a re-fetch. |
| 19:41.46 | castoff | PaSurf not a problem |
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| 19:42.12 | PaSurf | but no sarge rc.local? can I create it and have it work? |
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| 19:42.30 | karsten | pickcoder: less /etc/init.d/README |
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| 19:43.11 | yang | Anyone knows what buggers my GPRS connection ? - http://paste.debian.net/19190 |
| 19:43.15 | pickcoder | karsten: ? |
| 19:43.28 | karsten | pickcoder: Read that |
| 19:43.52 | pickcoder | I did.. on Sarge |
| 19:44.16 | pickcoder | there's a changelog entry that states a manpage was added for rc.local and rc.boot |
| 19:44.20 | pickcoder | but there's no manpages |
| 19:44.58 | karsten | pickcoder: Some more detailed information can also be found in the files in the /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc directory. |
| 19:45.04 | karsten | pickcoder: Keep going. |
| 19:45.21 | pickcoder | yup.. read that |
| 19:45.47 | pickcoder | hm |
| 19:46.45 | karsten | pickcoder: Essentially: copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to another name (eg: local-foo), modify it as needed. Add it to startup scripts using update-rc.d |
| 19:47.15 | pickcoder | what does that have to do with rc.local? |
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| 19:48.22 | karsten | That is left as an exercise to the reader. |
| 19:48.44 | zinx | !ops Ju[D]Ge!n=Hoze@88.241.108.189 <- free porno videos onjoin spammer |
| 19:48.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: Ju[D]Ge!n=Hoze@88.241.108.189 <- free porno videos onjoin spammer |
| 19:49.37 | blondie | zinx: they've been doing that for days. |
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| 19:50.03 | yos87 | !hi |
| 19:50.03 | dpkg | hello, yos87 |
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| 19:51.23 | zinx | blondie: this is a different one, that's been doing it for months |
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| 19:52.42 | S2AnGeL | I had a dependancy loaded libkrb5 or something like that not sure.. and Not too sure if that was it but I can not remotly login to sshd |
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| 19:53.37 | S2AnGeL | how do I reset or reconfigure everything there.. dpkg-reconfigure ssh does crap all.. tryed uninstalling ssh apt-get remove ssh and installing ssh-krb5 |
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| 19:54.09 | S2AnGeL | still unable to login.. just sorta accepts my (I know working password ) then askes numous times for the password..) |
| 19:54.16 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: look at /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:54.17 | S2AnGeL | kinda errie |
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| 19:54.47 | S2AnGeL | I have been.. and compared it to numous otheres mentioned in google searches.. its pretty much the same |
| 19:54.58 | S2AnGeL | how do I reset that config file? |
| 19:55.01 | karsten | S2AnGeL: Try 'ssh -v' (or multiple '-v's) to see what's going on. |
| 19:55.07 | S2AnGeL | can I delete it .. |
| 19:55.15 | S2AnGeL | ok |
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| 19:55.42 | karsten | S2AnGeL: I'd suggest dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
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| 19:56.03 | S2AnGeL | i did that nothing |
| 19:56.13 | pickcoder | *poof* |
| 19:56.19 | S2AnGeL | sec reading my new -v command info.. |
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| 19:57.33 | toad_ | is debian-multimedia signed? where would i get the keys from? |
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| 19:58.30 | jelly-home | !tell toad_ about marillat key |
| 19:58.33 | cahoot | toad_, iirc it's explained on the site |
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| 19:58.45 | S2AnGeL | ugh not getting much hee |
| 19:58.49 | S2AnGeL | here |
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| 19:59.03 | S2AnGeL | I did -vv going to try vvv |
| 19:59.04 | wastrel | "debian" |
| 19:59.11 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: paste your config on a pastebin |
| 19:59.33 | pickcoder | or do what karsten suggested and reconfigure |
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| 20:02.25 | S2AnGeL | OMG sorry |
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| 20:02.47 | S2AnGeL | I guess I am not awake.. wow.. Was starting to lose it there.. just having one of thous days |
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| 20:03.13 | S2AnGeL | turns out that I was trying to login to my desktop.. I was entering the wrong ip |
| 20:03.29 | S2AnGeL | I am so messed.. once I realized that entering the right one.. eerything is fine.. |
| 20:04.18 | S2AnGeL | I figured it out while trying to figure how I could get just consol server to paste on some website.. so I tryed to ftp.. and at that moment I realized I had the wrong ip all along |
| 20:04.31 | S2AnGeL | wow amazing how much time.. I lost on something so silly |
| 20:04.43 | S2AnGeL | but thanks for being there.. |
| 20:05.16 | lacin | hi, I want to add my ~/bin to PATH, I do this with PATH=$PATH:~/bin and adding it to my .bashrc, but my GNOME can't see this path, where can I make my GNOME (Alt+F2) that can see new Path? |
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| 20:05.56 | wastrel | lacin you need to use export |
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| 20:06.07 | wastrel | export PATH=$PATH:~/bin |
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| 20:06.15 | piper69 | i need to talk to a network staffer please |
| 20:06.31 | MoDaX | lacin: export in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
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| 20:07.17 | PhilKC | piper69, /stats p then /msg one of them :) |
| 20:07.17 | medc | guzu, debian etch |
| 20:07.17 | lacin | wastrel, I wrote " export PATH" in my ~/.bashrc |
| 20:07.17 | medc | hello i installed the Nvdia 9xxx drivers and it works fine when installed....after rebooting the pc it cant initialize GLX....any idea? |
| 20:07.17 | pickcoder | lacin: did you log out and back in? |
| 20:07.18 | h3sp4wn | medc: the ones packaged in experimental ? |
| 20:07.38 | lacin | pickcoder, Yes, I Restart X server with /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 20:08.05 | h3sp4wn | medc: you should use those instead of the nvidia installer |
| 20:08.50 | medc | h3sp4wn, where can i get the experimental? |
| 20:09.09 | h3sp4wn | !info nvidia-glx experimental |
| 20:09.11 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9746-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 3991 kB, Installed size: 12772 kB |
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| 20:09.21 | cahoot | medc, sid or etch? |
| 20:09.36 | medc | etch |
| 20:09.41 | pickcoder | lacin: hm.. bash_profile? |
| 20:10.06 | h3sp4wn | Its binary only anyway other than the nvidia-kernel-source which needs to be built with module-assistant anyway |
| 20:10.20 | Andrea_ | To AnyOne: just a very BASIC question: I create a dir /foodir/ owned by u1:u1 (user:group) with mod 774, user u2 is added to the u1 group. u2 can't create a file inside /foodir/ (damn!) why? |
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| 20:10.52 | HymnToLife | Andrea_, has u2 logged out and back in ? |
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| 20:11.01 | administrator__ | anyone ever set up an iSCSI target before? |
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| 20:12.09 | Andrea_ | HymnToLife: you mean I need to have stopped *all* the processes running with the u2 user b4 he can be considered as part of the u1 group ? |
| 20:12.22 | lacin | I add it to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ and now GNOME see ~/bin : Tnx all |
| 20:12.23 | S2AnGeL | anyone work with 3ware 7006 cli? |
| 20:12.30 | cahoot | Andrea_, could just su user |
| 20:12.44 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: I use the 3dm2 service |
| 20:12.48 | HymnToLife | Anarka, yes, the user needs to logout and log back in |
| 20:12.50 | h3sp4wn | medc: use the uninstall option first (from the .run file you) |
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| 20:13.03 | S2AnGeL | when I am in the cli I can not show status of any of the drives having dificulty finding documentation that tells me the commands |
| 20:13.35 | S2AnGeL | is 3dm2 better for watching drives and rebuilding remotly? |
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| 20:13.43 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: you can install 3md2 from debian-unofficial.org |
| 20:13.49 | medc | h3sp4wn, uninstall NVIDIA.run??? |
| 20:13.51 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: yes.. it's nice |
| 20:14.00 | h3sp4wn | medc: How did you install it previously ? |
| 20:14.03 | S2AnGeL | I just want to ssh in and open a cli and do it.. but none of the commands seem to work.. drivers seem loaded |
| 20:14.10 | Andrea_ | cahoot: I tried to open a freh shell, but no luck |
| 20:14.12 | medc | sh NVIDIA.run |
| 20:14.20 | Andrea_ | (isn't sufficient?) |
| 20:14.24 | S2AnGeL | is it a web server |
| 20:14.28 | h3sp4wn | medc: so do that --help and find the uninstall option |
| 20:14.33 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: I would definately firewall the 3DM2 port if you are going to do remote |
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| 20:14.52 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: yes.. it's an http based service |
| 20:15.07 | lacin | Today when I tried to ping my PC (Sarge) from LapTop(Etch) I get this: wrong data byte #34 should be 0x22 but was 0x32 Any body knows what that mean? I use CroosOver Cat5Cable in home. |
| 20:15.31 | S2AnGeL | pickcoder thats why i wanted to use cli.. its like they don't support the commands on this model.. yet that seems to be the only documentation.. I dunno.. |
| 20:15.34 | ruben | HI, to access to an AP using iwconfig, the AP has 128 bits encription, this is the way to set the enc key? or what is the way? |
| 20:15.34 | x_link | Does anybody know how I can copy everything in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 20:15.37 | ruben | iwconfig wlan0 key F9D5-11FB-0FFD-01DB-1912-1B35-2C |
| 20:15.39 | ruben | it is ok? |
| 20:15.46 | pickcoder | S2AnGeL: call 3Ware support.. they're great |
| 20:15.48 | x_link | I want to copy everything there so that I can paste it to pastebin.ca |
| 20:15.53 | moshii | ruben: take out the hyphens |
| 20:16.02 | ruben | what? |
| 20:16.09 | pickcoder | bbl.. end of year closings |
| 20:16.22 | moshii | ruben: in the key you're passing iwconfig |
| 20:16.35 | S2AnGeL | ruben iwconfig device key thenenterkeyhere |
| 20:16.39 | ruben | this command is okey |
| 20:16.40 | cahoot | ruben, why not use wpa_supplicant? |
| 20:16.41 | h3sp4wn | medc: then add 'deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental non-free' to sources.list aptitude update; aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source module-assistant (then use module assistant to build the module (don't bother with the get step) |
| 20:16.41 | ruben | iwconfig wlan0 key F9D5-11FB-0FFD-01DB-1912-1B35-2C |
| 20:17.24 | S2AnGeL | pickcoder: you think they would give me support on a card I bought used? |
| 20:17.25 | h3sp4wn | medc: actually it should be aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source/experimental |
| 20:17.48 | ruben | yes, but, I want to know how to set a key with iwconfig, not sure what is thw way :( |
| 20:17.54 | h3sp4wn | medc: once the module is installed you can do aptitude install nvidia-glx/experimental |
| 20:18.04 | ruben | 128 bits key |
| 20:18.08 | h3sp4wn | medc: then you can remove the line from sources.list |
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| 20:18.30 | S2AnGeL | ruben: so your running a ap from this machine.. |
| 20:18.35 | ruben | moshii: then, it is okey? iwconfig wlan0 key F9D5-11FB-0FFD-01DB-1912-1B35-2C <-- 128 bits |
| 20:18.47 | h3sp4wn | medc: (no risk of accidently installing stuff from experimental anyway because by default it has a priority of 1) |
| 20:19.05 | medc | h3sp4wn, ok |
| 20:19.07 | moshii | ruben: iwconfig wlan0 key F9D511FB0FFD01DB19121B352C |
| 20:19.16 | moshii | ruben: you don't need the -'s |
| 20:19.18 | roue | hi there |
| 20:19.20 | ruben | ok |
| 20:19.55 | moshii | ruben: also make sure wlan0 is the name of your interface.. the only driver that calls it wlan? is the acx one IIRC |
| 20:20.30 | ruben | yes, I have a dlink airplus+ |
| 20:20.34 | h3sp4wn | medc: fwiw its working great here |
| 20:20.51 | ruben | thanks for the info :) |
| 20:20.57 | cahoot | moshii, zd1211 does too |
| 20:21.07 | moshii | cahoot: my zd1211 doesn't :/ |
| 20:21.18 | moshii | cahoot: vendor based or rw driver? |
| 20:21.23 | cahoot | moshii, zd1211rw |
| 20:21.39 | moshii | cahoot: I use the vendor driver and it's eth1 |
| 20:24.06 | n3kl_ | How can I install a certificate for my webserver if I have signed it? When I get the prompt on my browser, it tells me "unknown certificate authority" and will not let me install the cert. Is there something that I am doing wrong? I think I signed everythign alright following the ssl faq. |
| 20:24.20 | medc | h3sp4wn, fwiw??? |
| 20:24.36 | moshii | n3kl_: it's selfsigned so browsers won't respect your CA |
| 20:25.01 | moshii | n3kl_: you need to add your CA to the ones the browser trusts or just ignore the messages about it |
| 20:25.08 | n3kl_ | moshii: is there a way around that? |
| 20:25.26 | moshii | n3kl_: buy a cert from verisign |
| 20:25.33 | h3sp4wn | medc: for what its worth |
| 20:25.58 | n3kl_ | moshii: thanks, I think I found where to import on my browser. |
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| 20:26.13 | medc | h3sp4wn, ok i will try without unistalling the sh |
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| 20:26.25 | moshii | n3kl_: there is an open CA that signs certs for free, but I don't know which browsers have it trusted by default |
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| 20:29.48 | afra23 | Are thre are dangers from upgrading my personal server from debian stable to etch? |
| 20:29.58 | n3kl_ | moshii: its just anoying when I am doing testing and I can't install the cert. I think I got it though |
| 20:30.50 | n3kl_ | does anyone have expierence with libapache2-mod-bt. I would like to install and test it, but I don't really know how to implement it. Are there configurations for apache modules somwhere that I don't know about? |
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| 20:30.57 | h3sp4wn | medc: Won't work that has already trashed up stuff (something to do with TLS links) |
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| 20:36.59 | linux2 | hey can anyone help me with acpi |
| 20:37.05 | linux2 | im having this weird issue on my acer laptop |
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| 20:37.46 | linux2 | when i close the lid for some reason (a) my laptop pauses all tasks. (b) when i open the lid back up my hard drive is extremely busy and acpi_listen shows |
| 20:37.53 | linux2 | button/lid LID 00000080 000024d6 |
| 20:37.54 | linux2 | button/lid LID 00000080 000024d7 |
| 20:37.59 | linux2 | continuing to go up by one |
| 20:38.02 | zinx | it's sleeping |
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| 20:38.13 | medc | h3sp4wn, done! all the steps u told me |
| 20:38.14 | zinx | because you have it configured to do so |
| 20:38.20 | medc | h3sp4wn, now? |
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| 20:39.09 | h3sp4wn | medc: change Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf |
| 20:39.18 | linux2 | zinx: no its not |
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| 20:39.32 | linux2 | zinx: i do not have it configured to do so, i have it configured to do nothing |
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| 20:39.44 | h3sp4wn | medc: or install and run nvidia-xconfig/experimental |
| 20:39.58 | linux2 | zinx: on top of that. even when i close the lid with acpi off the laptop still pauses itself |
| 20:40.19 | abrotman | COWS! |
| 20:40.29 | zinx | linux2: it is configured to do so. otherwise it would not be doing so. |
| 20:40.38 | linux2 | zinx: but its not configured to do so |
| 20:40.52 | medc | h3sp4wn, its actually in nvidia |
| 20:40.53 | linux2 | zinx: if i look in klaptop right now it is configured to do nothing |
| 20:40.54 | zinx | linux2: your job, should you choose to stop ignoring the obvious situation, is to figure out where it is configured to do so. |
| 20:41.12 | h3sp4wn | medc: so its working ? |
| 20:41.55 | medc | i erase load "glx" to start the X |
| 20:42.20 | linux2 | zinosat: what, do you think i haven't already considered the obvious |
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| 20:42.24 | h3sp4wn | I still have load "glx" |
| 20:42.25 | linux2 | zinx* |
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| 20:42.34 | medc | nop |
| 20:42.43 | linux2 | zinx: ok, i have to kill acpi to get it to stop accessing the hard drive every second |
| 20:42.44 | h3sp4wn | [samw@spacecat] (~)% grep glx /etc/X11/xorg.conf Load "glx" |
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| 20:42.47 | earthian | hello |
| 20:43.02 | earthian | is there any user crontab files? and if so, where are they? |
| 20:43.15 | linux2 | zinx: and besides constant output of acpi_listen keeps saying that the lid is closing |
| 20:43.18 | linux2 | over and over again |
| 20:43.22 | earthian | i need to copy user's "joe" crontab file to "root" |
| 20:43.26 | linux2 | button/lid LID 00000080 00002d1e |
| 20:43.26 | linux2 | button/lid LID 00000080 00002d1f |
| 20:43.26 | linux2 | button/lid LID 00000080 00002d20 |
| 20:43.26 | linux2 | button/lid LID 00000080 00002d21 |
| 20:43.27 | linux2 | button/lid LID 00000080 00002d22 |
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| 20:43.43 | linux2 | as you can see it keeps going up by one |
| 20:43.44 | linux2 | forever |
| 20:43.46 | abrotman | earthian: /var/spool/cron/ |
| 20:43.53 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 20:44.00 | blondie | linux2: I think you should wait forever just to check it keeps going |
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| 20:44.09 | linux2 | blondie: lol |
| 20:44.19 | linux2 | blondie: i left it on all night and it did |
| 20:44.20 | h3sp4wn | medc: its Load "drm" and Load "dri" that is not needed |
| 20:44.30 | h3sp4wn | medc: Load "glx" is fine |
| 20:44.44 | blondie | all night is rather short of forever! |
| 20:44.52 | linux2 | whats even more interesting |
| 20:44.58 | linux2 | is if i stop the acpid server |
| 20:45.01 | linux2 | service* |
| 20:45.12 | linux2 | and start it again then it continues saying the same stuff about the lid |
| 20:45.21 | medc | h3sp4wn, its load bitmap, ddc,dri,extmod,freetype,int10,vbe |
| 20:45.25 | zinx | linux2: sounds like your laptop's broken, there |
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| 20:45.37 | n3kl_ | how can I force the system to reread inittab without rebooting |
| 20:45.51 | h3sp4wn | medc: You don't need dri (nvidia doesn't use it) |
| 20:46.01 | linux2 | zinx: i would hardly say, worked fine in winblows. so im convinced its an issue with acpi |
| 20:46.04 | zinx | linux2: unfortunately it's not uncommon at all to have a broken acpi |
| 20:46.08 | medc | h3sp4wn, so erase dri and add glx |
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| 20:46.14 | zinx | linux2: Windows doesn't log the button press. |
| 20:46.20 | h3sp4wn | medc: That is what I have |
| 20:46.24 | linux2 | zinx: humm, that would do it |
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| 20:46.32 | medc | h3sp4wn, let me restart X |
| 20:46.33 | linux2 | zinx: but if i don't press the button then it works fine |
| 20:46.36 | medc | and i contact u later |
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| 20:46.42 | linux2 | zinx: maybe a bios update would help? |
| 20:46.49 | zinx | linux2: it's possible, but doubtful |
| 20:47.02 | linux2 | zinx: well i don't see my issue elsewhere |
| 20:47.08 | n3kl_ | how can I respawn init? |
| 20:47.08 | zinx | linux2: typically they don't bother to fix anything they don't have to (i.e., if it seems to work as expected in windows, they don't care) |
| 20:47.19 | linux2 | zinx: thats shitty |
| 20:47.22 | piper69 | n3kl_: how is the weather in Denver? |
| 20:47.47 | linux2 | zinx: hopefully it will fix itself over time with updated for linux acpi |
| 20:47.47 | linux2 | zinx: thats usually how it works |
| 20:48.04 | zinx | good luck with that :/ |
| 20:48.15 | zinx | phantom notifications come from the bios though, not linux's acpi :/ |
| 20:48.30 | linux2 | zinx: so the bios just keeps saying the lid is closing |
| 20:48.35 | zinx | pretty much |
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| 20:48.46 | zinx | or opening :/ |
| 20:48.48 | linux2 | i suppose i could just get rid of lid.sh and it would be alright, wouldn't keep bugging me about it |
| 20:48.58 | linux2 | zinx: what about getting acpi to not start at boot? |
| 20:49.12 | zinx | you may want to poke the BIOS for why it may be suspending/sleeping when you close it |
| 20:49.27 | zinx | if it has one |
| 20:49.40 | zinx | or rather, if it has a config interface for it |
| 20:49.42 | linux2 | zinx: yeah it just pauses. like even if im shutting down the comp it somehow stops it |
| 20:49.47 | linux2 | when i open the lid in continues |
| 20:50.03 | linux2 | zinx: yeah it does, just not a good one. maybe its time for linux bios |
| 20:50.07 | zinx | linux2: laptops can do that in hardware |
| 20:50.21 | linux2 | zinx: i wonder how to turn it off |
| 20:50.27 | linux2 | i didn't see anything in the bios |
| 20:50.28 | linux2 | it bugs me |
| 20:50.32 | zinx | linux2: find the option in the bios, or via the windows configuration utility. |
| 20:50.46 | linux2 | zinx: well i don't have windows on here anymore, never will |
| 20:50.50 | zinx | (yeah, sometimes they have a utility in windows to configure bios settings. ain't it great?) |
| 20:51.16 | linux2 | i think they are trying to make me md |
| 20:51.17 | linux2 | mad* |
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| 20:51.52 | linux2 | zinx: im not sure if acer does |
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| 20:52.02 | dob1 | hi |
| 20:52.12 | n3kl_ | piper69: terible! freakin a foot and half of snow now... |
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| 20:52.21 | zinx | linux2: they'll generally have it available for download on their site if they do |
| 20:52.35 | medc | h3sp4wn, i got segmentation fault |
| 20:52.45 | piper69 | n3kl_: nasty eyw |
| 20:52.56 | n3kl_ | piper69: how you know I was in denver? |
| 20:53.01 | zinx | linux2: i have a thinkpad 600e with the most godawful bios you've ever seen, and you can't even configure most of the stuff in there.. i have to use a DOS utility to do that. |
| 20:53.15 | dob1 | i have a script that execute some iptables command, there are a lot of lines with "iptables etc etc", it works, but i get an "iptables invalid agument error", there are a way to know which line gives me this message? |
| 20:53.18 | piper69 | just a guess |
| 20:53.23 | n3kl_ | i see |
| 20:53.34 | linux2 | zinx: wow, when will software just be written correctly and for all platforms |
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| 20:53.45 | zinx | linux2: never. |
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| 20:53.58 | linux2 | zinx: well at least open source |
| 20:54.12 | linux2 | zinx: that way people at least have somewhat of a choice for porting |
| 20:54.28 | zinx | also probably never, sadly |
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| 20:55.27 | linux2 | zinx: not if i can help it. i hope to one day create a software company that only releases open source software for multiplatforms |
| 20:55.46 | linux2 | zinx: sounds stupid i know, but maybe |
| 20:56.06 | linux2 | zinx: do you think there software controls the bios through windows, its hard to tell: http://www.acer-euro.com/et/en/notebooks01.htm#5 |
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| 20:56.20 | medc | h3sp4wn, are you there' |
| 20:56.28 | xingu | linux2: it's not a rare bug, my uniwill jobbie has autorepeat on the acpi lid "button" too |
| 20:56.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: You have xchat, right? |
| 20:56.52 | pingouin | hello all |
| 20:56.58 | h3sp4wn | medc: aptitude search nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
| 20:57.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Mind doing a /sysinfo, or whatever xchat's equivalent is? |
| 20:57.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: I'm trying to compare Xchat's to Konversation's |
| 20:57.17 | linux2 | xingu: so, any known way to fix it or just wait for acpi software updated |
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| 20:57.20 | linux2 | updates |
| 20:57.41 | xingu | linux2: you could make your own stateful locking as you were about to for the acpi lid event |
| 20:57.55 | medc | h3sp4wn, its installed |
| 20:58.08 | xingu | linux2: but the bug for you and I seems to be in the acpi code itself; so yes, bios update needed to cure, whatever workaround you put in for the symptom |
| 20:58.11 | h3sp4wn | medc: what is the version number though |
| 20:58.22 | pingouin | i've just install a fresh system (debian sarge), and some apps, gentoo for instance, have a sooo tiny fonts...that is barely readable..what i am forget ? any clue ? (i've put xfs/x-window-system-core) thanks |
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| 20:58.48 | xingu | linux2: I bet there's some programmer out there that is damn proud of their autorepeat code :) |
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| 20:58.57 | xingu | I mean really |
| 20:58.59 | medc | h3sp4wn, nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 20:59.00 | xingu | lid button |
| 20:59.02 | xingu | autorepeat |
| 20:59.06 | xingu | w... t... f... |
| 20:59.36 | me_here | lol |
| 20:59.43 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: what exactly are you trying to find out? nb, /version is a tad rude. |
| 20:59.51 | xingu | unsolicited, doubly so. |
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| 21:00.09 | h3sp4wn | medc: did you reboot or modprobe -r nvidia before restarting X |
| 21:00.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: I'm trying to convince Konversation's dev to add more features to his /sysinfo script |
| 21:00.35 | medc | h3sp4wn, i did crtl+alt+backspace |
| 21:00.42 | moshii | Dark_Apostrophe: the only reason for a sysinfo thingy is to annoy people in penis compos |
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| 21:00.44 | xingu | right, well I don't got one of those anyway, and I know what hardware is under my bonnet - I cherry picked it. |
| 21:01.03 | h3sp4wn | medc: exit X - then modprobe -r nvidia - then restart X |
| 21:01.06 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one disable the console blanking (power saving ) in a default sarge install |
| 21:01.08 | xingu | so - have fun, but please don't do that again, 'k? |
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| 21:01.23 | medc | h3sp4wn, roger that |
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| 21:02.50 | medc | h3sp4wn, done |
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| 21:02.58 | h3sp4wn | medc: And did it still segfault |
| 21:03.05 | medc | h3sp4wn, tyes |
| 21:03.32 | h3sp4wn | medc: aptitude install nvidia-xconfig; nvidia-xconfig (as root) |
| 21:04.55 | medc | h3sp4wn, aptitude install nvidia-xconfig @ root ...............................done! |
| 21:05.21 | h3sp4wn | medc: And did nvidia-xconfig complain about anything or did it say it modified xorg.conf |
| 21:05.42 | medc | h3sp4wn, nop |
| 21:05.49 | linux2 | xingu: lol, probably is |
| 21:05.50 | lopa__ | Is editing /etc/mtab messing around with automount, or is there a utility for that, or.. ? using Debian etch 2.6.18 |
| 21:06.13 | moshii | lopa__: mtab is mounted fs's isn't it :/ |
| 21:06.31 | medc | h3sp4wn, i paste u the output of the installation |
| 21:06.50 | h3sp4wn | medc: That has installed it now run it |
| 21:06.55 | h3sp4wn | medc: nvidia-xconfig |
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| 21:07.28 | moshii | lopa__: for automounting you need to install one of the automount daemons |
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| 21:07.41 | treyh0 | is the dcc alliance stuff still "alive"? |
| 21:07.52 | treyh0 | mailing lists seem dead |
| 21:07.54 | h3sp4wn | medc: aptitude show nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` | grep Version: (paste me that) and apt-cache policy nvidia-glx | grep Installed: |
| 21:08.12 | CrazednDazed | I have a creative usb dongle, and I'm trying to get it mounted .. it gives me strange address in /dev, like usbdev1.1_ep00 and I can't get into the device with fdisk or mount it. |
| 21:08.37 | moshii | CrazednDazed: flash disk? |
| 21:08.45 | CrazednDazed | It's an mp3 device |
| 21:08.51 | CrazednDazed | Nomad Extra |
| 21:09.04 | CrazednDazed | But it used to have a data partition that would just automount |
| 21:09.09 | h3sp4wn | medc: You haven't installed nvidia-glx |
| 21:09.16 | CrazednDazed | with my old os, and I want to get it back to something like that. |
| 21:09.21 | h3sp4wn | medc: aptitude install nvidia-glx/experimental |
| 21:09.39 | moshii | CrazednDazed: what does it show in dmesg when you plug it in? |
| 21:09.59 | h3sp4wn | medc: You need to build the module prior to being able to install nvidia-glx (to satisfy its dependancies) |
| 21:10.03 | moshii | CrazednDazed: maybe there is a driver that's claiming it intead of the usb mass-storage one |
| 21:10.08 | lopa__ | ? |
| 21:10.25 | CrazednDazed | well, I get on teh screen: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd |
| 21:10.30 | medc | h3sp4wn, so after download it...module-assistant---build nvidia---install and restart x? |
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| 21:10.47 | CrazednDazed | usb 1-1: configuration #1 chosen from one choice |
| 21:11.04 | moshii | CrazednDazed: anything after that? |
| 21:11.06 | CrazednDazed | I think the second line is part of my problem |
| 21:11.11 | h3sp4wn | medc: No the module is installed fine |
| 21:11.14 | CrazednDazed | Not on the screen, I'll check dmesg |
| 21:11.35 | h3sp4wn | medc: You just need to install it and re run nvidia-xconfig then restart X |
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| 21:11.36 | CrazednDazed | No, nothing after that. |
| 21:11.46 | medc | h3sp4wn, got it |
| 21:11.53 | medc | h3sp4wn, let me do it |
| 21:12.00 | moshii | CrazednDazed: modprobe usb-massstorage |
| 21:12.31 | moshii | CrazednDazed: sorry, that's not the right name :/ |
| 21:12.32 | c|int | hello everyone.. just letting people know.. vmware workstation on etch.. needs any any update scirpt etc.. funny thing was.. on ubuntu back in spring.. for version 5.5 .. it didnt' require that.. for 5.5 although 5.0 and some earlier versions did |
| 21:12.41 | CrazednDazed | module not found |
| 21:12.42 | c|int | its working fantastic though :-) |
| 21:13.06 | cahoot | usb-storage |
| 21:13.07 | moshii | CrazednDazed: usb_storage it seems to be called now |
| 21:13.45 | CrazednDazed | neither of those, either |
| 21:13.50 | CrazednDazed | should I try searching for it? |
| 21:14.09 | CrazednDazed | as in, on the internet.' |
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| 21:14.41 | cahoot | CrazednDazed, running debian? |
| 21:14.48 | c|int | its been like a year since I was on xchat.. I left.. however just wanted to share, and I"m checking on some things I can get for mounting image files.. etc.. even though reading takes care of that |
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| 21:15.14 | medc | h3sp4wn, done! |
| 21:15.19 | karma | I just plugged in a brand new unformatted USB external HDD that's located at /dev/sdb that I want one big FAT32 partition on |
| 21:15.22 | h3sp4wn | medc: working ? |
| 21:15.25 | medc | h3sp4wn, THNKS VERY VERY VERY MUCH!!! |
| 21:15.33 | medc | h3sp4wn, hell yeah! |
| 21:15.34 | medc | :D |
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| 21:15.47 | h3sp4wn | good |
| 21:15.49 | c|int | you guys take a break from xchat for the hollidays eh? |
| 21:15.50 | CrazednDazed | cahoot: Yes, debian etch |
| 21:15.52 | jrr | !start a wm war |
| 21:15.52 | dpkg | ratpoison bites! |
| 21:15.59 | c|int | =) |
| 21:16.17 | cahoot | CrazednDazed, and no self-compiled kernel? |
| 21:16.30 | h3sp4wn | medc: If you get a new kernel (2.6.18-4 or whatever you need to remember to rebuild the module) you can remove the experimental line from sources.list now if you want |
| 21:16.34 | CrazednDazed | cahoot: nah, updated one via apt-get, but no self-compiled. |
| 21:16.50 | karma | mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb complains about using the entire device,but this is what I want considering that I want just one big partition, right? |
| 21:16.56 | moshii | karma: fdisk, create a partition |
| 21:17.03 | gryfie | a wm-war? OroboROX (or Saphire) |
| 21:17.04 | cahoot | CrazednDazed, and modprobe usb-storage fails? |
| 21:17.18 | CrazednDazed | cahoot: Yes, I get module not found back |
| 21:17.18 | moshii | karma: sdb is the whole disk, partition table and all |
| 21:17.31 | moshii | CrazednDazed: what kernel, uname -r |
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| 21:18.11 | CrazednDazed | hmm |
| 21:18.20 | CrazednDazed | There was a music file in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 21:18.22 | CrazednDazed | and I returned that |
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| 21:18.41 | CrazednDazed | and now Ic an run modrpobe usb-storage removed that file, it works |
| 21:19.01 | CrazednDazed | Doesn't return anything, though |
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| 21:19.18 | c|int | anyone here, know is that nautilus script for mounting and unmounting iso image files.. good or is there a quick way around that..? |
| 21:19.22 | sydney | Someone know how can play the movies in RAR with mplayer without extraction the archiv, like xbmc on xbox? |
| 21:19.27 | cahoot | CrazednDazed, check dmesg |
| 21:19.35 | manup | hi. what package do i have to aptitude for the most recently kernel sources? |
| 21:19.47 | CrazednDazed | cahoot - I get the same two lines, nothing new |
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| 21:19.58 | c|int | that is a good question sydney, as for players that can read compressed files |
| 21:20.05 | cahoot | CrazednDazed, uplug plugin check dmesg |
| 21:20.08 | phogg | What does it mean when the kernel starts spitting "dst cache overflow" into my logs? |
| 21:20.27 | c|int | I"m actually going to be working with drip, and encoding dvd's to divx, and Xvid possibly too... for the most part though divx :P |
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| 21:20.38 | CrazednDazed | cahoot: Same two lines |
| 21:20.51 | CrazednDazed | I shouldn't be getting any output from modrpobe usb-storage? |
| 21:21.05 | cahoot | no |
| 21:21.20 | cahoot | unless something went wrong |
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| 21:21.34 | CrazednDazed | hmm |
| 21:22.01 | sydney | c|int: but mplayer must have this abilitys |
| 21:22.03 | CrazednDazed | I saw an ipod similar to this on debian etch and I don't recall exactly what I did to fix it |
| 21:22.03 | c|int | hey sydney |
| 21:22.09 | CrazednDazed | I think I just got it to mount, eventually |
| 21:22.15 | c|int | just leave them at compression like divx/xvid |
| 21:22.29 | c|int | anything would seem like it does, yes |
| 21:22.32 | CrazednDazed | strange how /dev gives me multiple strange unusable address, when it's plugged. |
| 21:22.34 | CrazednDazed | in. |
| 21:22.44 | c|int | ideas all the time.. and endless capabilities.. never let someone tell you otherwise :) |
| 21:22.45 | sydney | c|int: hmmm. |
| 21:23.11 | moshii | CrazednDazed: it might have more features than purely mass storage |
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| 21:23.52 | CrazednDazed | moshii: yes,I'm pretty sure it does. But I wouldn't mind if All it had is mass storage, if I could get into it with fdisk or something |
| 21:23.59 | c|int | -> http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n312/clintsnet/?action=view&slideshow=true |
| 21:24.22 | c|int | ^_^ |
| 21:24.49 | c|int | check that out syn |
| 21:24.51 | c|int | sydney: |
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| 21:25.08 | moshii | CrazednDazed: is it not detecting the partitions with that module loaded? |
| 21:25.11 | sydney | c|int: thanks i am watching |
| 21:25.17 | c|int | the ubuntu setup deal, I did that back in spring, but I wanted to do that back in 2004 |
| 21:25.34 | jhasse | How can i downgrade a package which i installed in a newer version to the version in the repositories? (remove isn't possible because of many dependencies) |
| 21:25.36 | c|int | I just wasn't into open source linux/unix systems then..* |
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| 21:25.59 | CrazednDazed | moshii: I don' tthink so. I get the same strange addresses in /dev, and I can't mount any of them ur see them |
| 21:26.01 | cr3 | is there a way to enable repositories from the command line? |
| 21:26.21 | jhasse | cr3: you can add something to a file with the >> operator |
| 21:26.39 | linux2 | in debian how do i force apt to upgrade all packages |
| 21:26.40 | lopa__ | How could I allow an ip via ipfw? |
| 21:26.43 | c|int | all my music videos, I"m changing them all to divx compression. from HD, to home theatre etc |
| 21:26.47 | moshii | CrazednDazed: but it used to appear as a disk before? |
| 21:26.51 | linux2 | it just tells me that these packages were kept back |
| 21:26.55 | jhasse | cr3: echo debblabla >> /etc/source.list |
| 21:26.58 | linux2 | how do i get it to install them anywyas |
| 21:27.02 | c|int | widescreen too :) |
| 21:27.07 | cr3 | jhasse: I was thinking more in the lines of uncommenting lines which are commented by default |
| 21:27.10 | CrazednDazed | moshii: Yes, in fedora I believe as well as windows |
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| 21:27.34 | CrazednDazed | moshii: There is a utility for it that I might have to get, gnomad2, but I don't like it because it's gui only |
| 21:27.39 | jhasse | cr3: you could oben the file with vim or nano |
| 21:27.44 | jhasse | *p |
| 21:27.47 | moshii | CrazednDazed: maybe the device ID isn't in debian, so it isn't being claimed |
| 21:27.54 | c|int | going out to barnes & nobles tonite.. going to mess around with wifi :P |
| 21:28.27 | c|int | the throughput is actually not bad.. however I"m going to tweak out my driver configuration alot better, than what the firmware hack is doing.. |
| 21:28.43 | CrazednDazed | moshii: hmm, what can I do about that, I wonder? |
| 21:29.00 | moshii | CrazednDazed: update-usbids |
| 21:29.14 | jhasse | How can i downgrade a package which i installed in a newer version to the version in the repositories? (remove isn't possible because of many dependencies) |
| 21:29.19 | RvGaTe | The link in the dpkg's "quake" entry has changed... at least the current one gets four-o-foured... |
| 21:29.22 | RvGaTe | !quake |
| 21:29.22 | dpkg | [quake] one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
| 21:29.32 | moshii | jhasse: download the package and dpkg -i it |
| 21:29.42 | jhasse | moshii: how can i download it? |
| 21:29.57 | moshii | jhasse: packages.debian.org |
| 21:29.58 | h3sp4wn | jhasse: apt-get install libpango1.0-0=1.10.4-1 (get the version from apt-cache policy packagename) |
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| 21:30.33 | jhasse | h3sp4wn: thx. |
| 21:30.38 | c|int | going to mess with wifi radar.. |
| 21:30.42 | jhasse | moshii: well i'm using ubuntu |
| 21:30.56 | moshii | jhasse: so get support from #ubuntu |
| 21:31.01 | c|int | I wonder if theres a C program, that can configure the Radio Signal, to work idle |
| 21:31.24 | jhasse | moshii: i tried. But seemed to be a apt problem |
| 21:31.26 | c|int | jhasse: .. you have to feel the power of debian :) |
| 21:31.35 | streuner_ | !ubuntusmite jhasse |
| 21:31.41 | c|int | I know.. debian can get fustrating at times.. I had my deal with it.. hee, for over a year now :P |
| 21:31.43 | moshii | jhasse: yep, but your problem isn't ours |
| 21:32.24 | jhasse | moshii: but my problem got solved. So i will do again in the future |
| 21:32.36 | c|int | I used ubuntu for a very long time of lenght, however it just wasn't the power system for me.. and the fact that everything has to be stripped down, run levels etc.. heh.. this slackware user told me he went from using slack to ubuntu.. and first thing he does |
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| 21:33.11 | CrazednDazed | moshii: I tried updating the ids, and unpluggina nd replugging (a disconnect message and that same reconnect message occur) but still no change in the strange addresses and my inability to mount them |
| 21:33.12 | c|int | is.. he removes. gnome.. meh.. why don't you just .. work with LFS, alot use gentoo, because the compile there packages from source, and the system is optimized for there hardware... meh :P... |
| 21:33.23 | moshii | CrazednDazed: :'9 |
| 21:33.27 | moshii | CrazednDazed: :'( |
| 21:33.29 | c|int | moshii: |
| 21:33.43 | c|int | any quick way to install nautilus scripts.. for mounting iso's and other image files etc |
| 21:33.44 | moshii | c|int: ? |
| 21:33.50 | CrazednDazed | fair enough |
| 21:34.10 | CrazednDazed | nothing else ya think I could try? |
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| 21:34.29 | c|int | I used.. Alcohol 120% for alot of things on win.. however, after some work.. I got my vmware workstation up and going... I just don't have the 1 GB of ram like I want in my laptop or higher, or a pci express for video.. my workstation is alot better for that :) |
| 21:34.36 | moshii | CrazednDazed: I would post on the debian-user list |
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| 21:35.16 | c|int | vmware however does perform good though.. and I usually run xfce, or enlightenment when I want alot more power on my laptop.. and to be easier on resources |
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| 21:36.06 | c|int | moshii: .. think you might be able to give me some tips on that.. I been seeing alot of returns with.. nautilus and scripts etc |
| 21:36.42 | moshii | c|int: I use kde |
| 21:37.44 | yungknight | i've followed everything on http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 but i'm still having issues with apache2 and php5. my site is themodule.net. can anyone help with this? |
| 21:38.09 | c|int | its np... I Liked KDE when I first got into open source etc.. |
| 21:38.16 | c|int | time changed that.. |
| 21:38.17 | h3sp4wn | I use e17 or ratpoison (mostly e17 - ratpoison if I am being too idle for a long time) |
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| 21:38.32 | moshii | c|int: I like dcop .. it's like arexx ports ;) |
| 21:38.37 | c|int | could you guys help with the image mounting etc |
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| 21:38.57 | c|int | even though I should do be able to do it, it won't take me that long.. if I read. I"m just trying to get this done quicker |
| 21:39.08 | c|int | hee moshii, and h3sp4wn |
| 21:39.16 | moshii | c|int: mounting an iso image? |
| 21:39.20 | c|int | yep |
| 21:39.30 | wireddd | is it just me or does sdl just have crummy mouse support? |
| 21:39.35 | moshii | c|int: mount -o loop /path/file.iso /mnt |
| 21:39.52 | c|int | I'm going see, if My MixVibes dvs takes on CodeWEavers 6 beta. filetopia a decentralized peer to peer I support, and helping with the developement. lmao.. voice actually works now :P |
| 21:40.06 | c|int | oh cool :) |
| 21:40.06 | c|int | yep seen that before.. ty |
| 21:40.23 | abrotman | #debian ? |
| 21:40.44 | c|int | oh yeah btw.. I"m having some issues, when I start system up... it puts back the windows I had running, when I shutdown.. erm o.O |
| 21:41.02 | moshii | c|int: you have sessions of some sort turned on |
| 21:41.30 | moshii | c|int: you should have a setting for "gimme a clean session on login" in your wm/desktop somewhere |
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| 21:41.50 | c|int | I know, I know too.. I been reading my manuals. books.. securing debian etc.. and more.. and patching the testing system up myself.. |
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| 21:42.22 | c|int | I spent hours and hours.. just figuring that. etch did need the vmware any any update script.. so that it would look at the C headers directory correctly * |
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| 21:42.50 | c|int | funny thing.. back in spring.. on ubuntu.. vmware workstation 5.5 , didn't require that script.. erm. must be something with the new kernels* |
| 21:42.52 | moshii | vmware is a bit of a goat on debian |
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| 21:43.01 | c|int | not on my systems moshii |
| 21:43.13 | moshii | there are some packages floating around that make it easier though |
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| 21:43.19 | c|int | every person just has to see things how they are for them mosh |
| 21:43.35 | c|int | I've been reading.. my books with vmware power scripting.. etc |
| 21:43.51 | wastrel | hi |
| 21:44.23 | moshii | c|int: vmware is fine if you have lots of ram |
| 21:44.29 | c|int | yep |
| 21:44.39 | c|int | you need 512 or more. thats just my recommendation |
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| 21:44.55 | blondie | 512 MB isn't lots |
| 21:45.00 | moshii | I meant it was a goat in debian in that it's a bitch to install cleanly |
| 21:45.00 | c|int | yes I know |
| 21:45.05 | SerajewelKS | slightly OT question: i need to backup a folder on an NTFS volume to a samba server and preserve things like ownership/premissions etec |
| 21:45.08 | c|int | but still, 512 and it still can run fine |
| 21:45.12 | gryfie | blondi: On Window-Systems :) |
| 21:45.14 | SerajewelKS | permissions too |
| 21:45.16 | Tyler | Hi folks. |
| 21:45.20 | blondie | I found the vmware installation on debian very easy |
| 21:45.26 | blondie | that was a few versions ago though |
| 21:45.28 | c|int | vmware runs differently on linux and unix systems.. than it does on windows.. |
| 21:45.35 | SerajewelKS | is there some archive format that will store this info? |
| 21:45.43 | c|int | I know alot has to deal with the gcc, and how they coded it for kernel |
| 21:45.48 | moshii | blondie: getting the modules and init scripts to work is a nightmare |
| 21:45.49 | c|int | period |
| 21:46.13 | blondie | moshii: worked really easily for me |
| 21:46.24 | blondie | not sure what modules and init scripts you mean |
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| 21:46.35 | gryfie | I used parallels Workstation on sarge ... expect it doesn't support no directx and cd-re/dvdrw and graphics is a bit slow... it'sw ok |
| 21:46.36 | moshii | blondie: to bring networking up and so forth |
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| 21:47.54 | c|int | yes.. networking can be fustrating at times. but you can figure your way around.. just like we do everything else |
| 21:48.46 | c|int | this book is nice mosh |
| 21:48.47 | c|int | http://www.amazon.com/Scripting-VMware-Automating-Infrastructure-Administration/dp/1597490598/sr=8-1/qid=1167428834/ref=sr_1_1/104-5116702-6061523?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 21:48.54 | c|int | smile:) |
| 21:49.09 | moshii | c|int: networking is fine, bridging vmware into a machine isn't |
| 21:49.35 | c|int | Host Networking works just fine |
| 21:49.41 | c|int | and yes.. bridging can be fustrating at times.. |
| 21:49.59 | c|int | thats why you need to have its own adapter for bridging |
| 21:50.35 | c|int | However, I just use the host systems connection, and adapter, becuase it acts just like an IDS< and intrusion prevention etc :) |
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| 21:51.55 | c|int | lol mosh |
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| 21:55.09 | smacnay | Hmm, seems that cplay no longer actually plays anything. It is installed but tracks don't play. Has anyone had difficulty with cplay recently? |
| 21:55.42 | h3sp4wn | kvm is in unstable (and will be included in 2.6.20) |
| 21:55.52 | De_Mon | How do publishers create dvds > 4.7GB? |
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| 21:56.15 | h3sp4wn | Don't see why people are so hell bent on vmware (kvm is faster) |
| 21:56.46 | gryfie | I guess they use double-leayer dvds :) |
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| 21:57.39 | c|int | hey mosh |
| 21:57.49 | c|int | that worked .. hee thanks man |
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| 21:58.17 | c|int | I seen that stuff before, I just didn't think I was outputing the path right. and I would like naviate to where I had the image file.. |
| 21:58.25 | c|int | and just do like this etc... cd Desktop |
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| 21:58.36 | c|int | mount -o loop filename.iso |
| 21:58.37 | ma3x | where do I specify the DPI of xorg? |
| 21:58.37 | sunrunner20 | h3sp4wn: kvm? |
| 21:58.39 | ma3x | of kdm to be more exact |
| 21:58.41 | c|int | no wonder hwy it wasn't working :P |
| 21:58.45 | De_Mon | gryfie nah like movies and games that are 5GB on single layer DVDS |
| 21:58.46 | sunrunner20 | keyboard vido mouse switch? |
| 21:58.48 | c|int | thanks moshii |
| 21:58.52 | h3sp4wn | !info kvm sid |
| 21:58.58 | dpkg | kvm: (Full virtualization on x86 hardware), section misc, is optional. Version: 7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 386 kB, Installed size: 1276 kB |
| 21:59.10 | De_Mon | almost like they are using dvds designed for overburn |
| 21:59.12 | wastrel | i'm cold |
| 21:59.21 | wastrel | i think my girlfriend left a window open |
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| 21:59.30 | h3sp4wn | sunrunner20: If you have a suitably recent processor you can get full virtualisation using the instructions on the cpu |
| 21:59.46 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 21:59.51 | sunrunner20 | prescott core work |
| 21:59.54 | ma3x | of kdm to be more exact |
| 21:59.55 | ma3x | where do I specify the DPI of xorg? |
| 22:00.32 | asg | ma3x: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 22:00.36 | ma3x | thanks |
| 22:00.46 | asg | ma3x: for kdm, look in /etc/X11/kdm |
| 22:01.23 | ma3x | asg, there is no /etc/X11/kdm |
| 22:01.31 | gryfie | De_Mon: On any System? Or when using something like squashfs? |
| 22:01.42 | gryfie | like a squashfs |
| 22:01.57 | asg | ma3x: look for anything kdm/kde in /etc/X11 (make sure kdm is installed) |
| 22:01.57 | c|int | hey moshii |
| 22:02.00 | De_Mon | gryfie Im thinking specificaly of XBOX games and some movie DVDs |
| 22:02.15 | c|int | for unmounting it.. I would just do... like umount -o loop /path/file.iso /mnt right? |
| 22:02.22 | c|int | or would it be diff |
| 22:03.04 | ma3x | asg, didnt find any kdm, only xdm, but that's not my default manager |
| 22:03.30 | gryfie | on cds there are raw-modes (no error-correction) and overburn-possibbilities... |
| 22:03.42 | gryfie | maybe that is possible on dvds too |
| 22:04.06 | De_Mon | hmm |
| 22:04.11 | c|int | I'll be back |
| 22:05.06 | ma3x | why kdm overrides the DPI? |
| 22:05.16 | ma3x | if I launch startx, I get 75 DPI |
| 22:05.25 | ma3x | if kdm invokes X, it sets it to 100 |
| 22:05.28 | ma3x | how do I keep it to 100? |
| 22:05.34 | ma3x | (using xorg) |
| 22:05.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | moshii: It's also very useful for giving your hardware specs when you need help with something. :P |
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| 22:06.05 | Krush | there is a option on kdmrcs ServerArgs parameter which allows you to add a dpi value |
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| 22:07.22 | dendrite | ma3x: man startx |
| 22:07.50 | ma3x | why are people not listening |
| 22:07.50 | cahoot | Krush, better set correct displaysize |
| 22:07.59 | ma3x | I said kdm sets it again to 100 |
| 22:08.02 | ma3x | I want 75 DPI |
| 22:08.03 | dendrite | ma3x: I just gave you the pointer you're needing. |
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| 22:08.36 | cahoot | Krush, please disregard |
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| 22:10.16 | ma3x | dendrite, I don't start Xorg using 'startx'. KDM automatically launches it |
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| 22:11.02 | Krush | as mentioned: ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp -dpi 75 (e.g.) in kdmrc |
| 22:11.02 | zetetic | hi ppl |
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| 22:16.05 | ma3x | hello |
| 22:16.07 | ma3x | where do I specify the DPI of KDM? |
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| 22:17.24 | cahoot | the answer given above wasn't correct? |
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| 22:17.58 | ma3x | what answer? |
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| 22:18.07 | cahoot | Krush> as mentioned: ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp -dpi 75 (e.g.) in kdmrc |
| 22:18.07 | Quibus | Hello |
| 22:18.35 | ma3x | ok, I didn't get that |
| 22:18.36 | ma3x | thanks |
| 22:18.37 | Quibus | Someone posted in a mail on the BTS yesterday that the amount of RC bugs is under 60, while the counter on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ indicates 113. How can that be explained? |
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| 22:18.56 | elvirolo | my god, debian is _so_ much faster than ubutnu |
| 22:19.00 | elvirolo | ubuntu* |
| 22:19.31 | gryfie | Quibus_ Sideeffects by removing other bugs ;-D |
| 22:19.36 | Quibus | elvirolo: then you're probably comparing apples and bicycles |
| 22:19.39 | gryfie | (SCNR) |
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| 22:19.52 | Krush | i dont like apples |
| 22:20.11 | cahoot | windows and bicycles? |
| 22:20.15 | elvirolo | Quibus: probably ... but, still, debian suits me better than ubuntu |
| 22:20.26 | pipeline | cahoot: defenestration counts and bicycles? |
| 22:20.28 | Quibus | elvirolo: well, same here :-) |
| 22:20.38 | elvirolo | :) |
| 22:20.49 | cahoot | right sounds slightly perverse though |
| 22:20.49 | abrotman | Quibus: check the zimturner site |
| 22:21.06 | Quibus | abrotman: OK, but what are teh figures based on then, if they differ? |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 22:21.32 | abrotman | Quibus: i believe the 113 affects patches not applied etc .. |
| 22:21.43 | abrotman | Quibus: if you really want to know .. try #debian-bugs on OFTC |
| 22:21.58 | smacnay | hmm cplay won't play mp3's |
| 22:22.29 | cahoot | civil disobedience? |
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| 22:25.41 | Quibus | Oops, forgot to open new tab :-) |
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| 22:28.32 | welly | Hello all.. I want to install ruby 1.8.4 and am using the instructions found here - http://mongrel.rubyforge.org/docs/debian-sarge.html |
| 22:28.37 | welly | does this seem a reasonable way of doing it? |
| 22:28.44 | streuner_ | abrotman: xine mms://streaming-ccc.fem.tu-ilmenau.de/saal2 |
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| 22:29.41 | Quibus | streuner_: too late, I suppose as he left :S |
| 22:29.48 | streuner_ | oh |
| 22:29.57 | smacnay | mpg321 can play mp3 files but cplay doesn't. Maybe it does not see mpg321 |
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| 22:30.35 | protocol1 | I have to reload my debian install.....grrrr |
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| 22:32.37 | Quibus | see you later people |
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| 22:34.17 | protocol1 | is there good doumentation for installing ATI drivers on etch somewhere? |
| 22:35.21 | Tyler | Hey folks, has anyone tried this tutorial and gotten it to work on Etch? http://kyledev.blogspot.com/2006/11/setting-up-secure-and-complete-ruby.html |
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| 22:38.59 | Vantage13 | Hi, anyone have any recommendations for an encrypted backup solution using Debian? I've been using duplicity, but it seems to choke on larger backups (as well as making an incredibly large number of files in one directory). Any other options out there? |
| 22:39.27 | blondie | backing up to what medium> |
| 22:39.30 | blondie | ? |
| 22:39.56 | h3sp4wn | protocol1: Only needed now for cards with 4 numbers in the name (anything < X850 works with the freedrivers (odd exception) |
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| 22:40.17 | Vantage13 | blondie: two HDDs mirrored on an nslu2 |
| 22:40.18 | h3sp4wn | protocol1: I would recommend at least trying th free drivers first as they work for alot more cards now (with aiglx etc) |
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| 22:41.47 | protocol1 | h3sp4wn, I have a all in wonder 9800 pro |
| 22:42.20 | protocol1 | h3sp4wn, got a link to the free drivers? |
| 22:42.33 | gryfie | a completly other question: DOES lame require a licence to convert audio-cds in mp3s or not? |
| 22:42.39 | protocol1 | Im going to be using this macine for gaming too |
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| 22:42.44 | protocol1 | machine* |
| 22:43.13 | h3sp4wn | protocol1: xserver-xorg-video-ati (use Driver "radeon") - not sure about stuff like tv out - and gaming sucks on fglrx anyway |
| 22:43.21 | Vantage13 | blondie: any suggestions? |
| 22:43.54 | protocol1 | so what would you suggest I load for gaming |
| 22:44.15 | Trewas | gryfie: no, it is open source while not free from patented bs |
| 22:44.48 | protocol1 | my nvidia board went cahpoo on my and Im mad because nvidia has better support than ATI |
| 22:44.52 | gryfie | bs means what? |
| 22:44.56 | asg | bullshit |
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| 22:46.01 | h3sp4wn | protocol1: on ati don't use linux for gaming |
| 22:46.29 | diskus | well why not, you can play something |
| 22:46.34 | protocol1 | well there got to be a way to get it running for it |
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| 22:47.11 | protocol1 | Im sure I can find drivers optimized for them somewhere |
| 22:47.13 | diskus | just play mahjong and go |
| 22:47.17 | diskus | that's all you need |
| 22:47.30 | Fah | drive by question: any compiz+ati users here? I'm trying to figure out how to get my meta key to behave |
| 22:48.10 | blondie | Vantage13: dunno, I use rsync and rdiff-backup but they dont create encrypted backups (by themselves anyway) |
| 22:48.16 | h3sp4wn | protocol1: The optimised drivers suck . (my little brothers 1950XT in linux performs worse than my nvidia 7300GT |
| 22:48.58 | diskus | optimised drivers? |
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| 22:50.10 | h3sp4wn | fglrx |
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| 22:50.18 | protocol1 | oh |
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| 22:50.41 | protocol1 | well, Im sure there is a driver somewhere thats worth using |
| 22:50.54 | protocol1 | but i DUNNO |
| 22:50.58 | h3sp4wn | Bothered about tv-out ? |
| 22:51.15 | h3sp4wn | or the tv card bit ? (if you want that I guess you can only use fglrx) |
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| 22:52.58 | protocol1 | well what about the drivers from ATI |
| 22:53.06 | protocol1 | Im thinking about using those |
| 22:53.28 | h3sp4wn | those are the drivers from ati (and you will have much more sucess using the debian packaged versions) |
| 22:53.50 | wastrel | please learn to love and respect your debian packages |
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| 22:54.35 | protocol1 | h3sp4wn, have a link for instructions to load the deb package version? |
| 22:55.15 | malverian | Is there no apache2-ssl-certificate included with apache-2.2 ? |
| 22:55.27 | h3sp4wn | protocol1: /msg dpkg fglrx |
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| 23:07.08 | ryoshu | i have a toshiba's laptop, and hibernation works like suspend, why? |
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| 23:08.21 | peteweez | I have a raw stream dump. Anyone know of a good app to separate it into individual tracks? Yes I'm aware of streamripper, but this stream is mms, which is unsupported by streamripper. |
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| 23:13.52 | protocol1 | su |
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| 23:15.15 | maxy | password: |
| 23:15.40 | Zerial | xD |
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| 23:17.29 | linux_user400354 | how can i use mdf files? |
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| 23:18.14 | geo-rge | linux_user400354: to sharpen a fork? |
| 23:19.19 | geo-rge | what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 23:19.46 | wireddd | I would like to know how to use mdf files to sharpen a fork |
| 23:19.52 | linux_user400354 | geo-rge: mount it |
| 23:19.53 | linux_user400354 | and |
| 23:20.03 | linux_user400354 | open it to see its contents if its an archive |
| 23:20.27 | linux_user400354 | whatever you normally do with mdf files |
| 23:20.32 | blondie | mdf... that's a kind of wood |
| 23:20.44 | diskus | mdf is cd/dvd image made by Alcohol software |
| 23:20.52 | diskus | usualy contains illegal copy of game/software :P |
| 23:21.18 | diskus | but it can be anything probably |
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| 23:21.52 | diskus | http://www.delphifaq.com/faq/f777.shtml seems magic iso makes them too |
| 23:22.02 | peteweez | I have a raw stream dump. Anyone know of a good app to separate it into individual tracks? Yes I'm aware of streamripper, but this stream is mms, which is unsupported by streamripper. |
| 23:22.13 | geo-rge | linux_user400354: there ya go... get a copy of alcohol |
| 23:22.41 | diskus | just google and you'll find your answers |
| 23:22.55 | linux_user400354 | alcohol 120%? sounds like a bunch of windows programs |
| 23:23.05 | diskus | well it is |
| 23:23.18 | linux_user400354 | anything to do it in debian? |
| 23:23.22 | diskus | don't know |
| 23:23.43 | diskus | maybe if you convert it to iso, but try to google for that |
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| 23:24.10 | geo-rge | linux_user400354: then maybe you would have to run windows to run it |
| 23:24.28 | linux_user400354 | if mdf is the filesystem type, its not listed in the mount man page :( |
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| 23:25.08 | diskus | well if it's indeed alcohol 120% image then it's not filesystem, it's just something like iso file, but with extra stuff |
| 23:25.13 | geo-rge | and that would probably be because the linux kernel has no driver for mdf as a filesystem |
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| 23:25.21 | blondie | mdf isn't a filesystem |
| 23:25.24 | blondie | it's an image |
| 23:25.39 | blondie | try mounting it as iso9600 :) |
| 23:25.59 | gryfie | 96_6_0 ? |
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| 23:26.17 | gryfie | (or am i wrong ? :) ) |
| 23:26.18 | blondie | whatever :P |
| 23:26.37 | craigevil | peteweez: have you tried using> mimms - MMS (e.g. mms://) stream downloader |
| 23:26.44 | geo-rge | 9600 is a painful bit / second transfer rate |
| 23:26.44 | blondie | i cant type properly due topain |
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| 23:27.08 | blondie | and kewyboard location |
| 23:27.11 | geo-rge | sorry to hear that |
| 23:27.47 | blondie | need a shoulder massage |
| 23:27.55 | peteweez | craigevil: How do you think I got the raw stream in the first place? :) |
| 23:28.25 | peteweez | craigevil: I'm looking for a way to automatically separate the stream into separate tracks using intermittent silences as a guide. |
| 23:28.48 | geo-rge | you mean your muscles in your hand while you type cause your shoulder to hurt more? if so, don't fuck around... see someone about it |
| 23:29.07 | blondie | no |
| 23:29.36 | blondie | leaning over to the silly place where my laptop is does though :P |
| 23:30.20 | blondie | my shoulder hurts from rowing and sleeping badly |
| 23:30.40 | mc__ | so not sleeping should solve the problem |
| 23:31.25 | geo-rge | I'm trying to borrow from classical piano technique (supporting your arms with your upper arm muscles when you type/play guitar/etc)... just starting, so my upper arms are gonna burn :) |
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| 23:31.42 | peteweez | geo-rge: I do that sometimes |
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| 23:32.04 | peteweez | geo-rge: You actually thank yourself for doing that after you've been typing for several hours. |
| 23:32.38 | geo-rge | it's going to make my bass playing much faster, smoother, easier... and I just now realized (thanks blondie)that I should do it also while typing |
| 23:33.12 | geo-rge | brb |
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| 23:34.58 | craigevil | anyone played Openarena? |
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| 23:35.52 | markit | hi, dpkg --set-selections < selections.txt then dselect i gives me the message "dselect: no access methods are available" any clue? google don't help :( |
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| 23:36.43 | abrotman | ask #bitchx |
| 23:36.56 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 23:36.57 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
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| 23:37.59 | geo-rge | still no dri joy |
| 23:38.01 | markit | abrotman: is what I'm doing, but when then I run dselect i I get that message |
| 23:38.20 | markit | or with apt-get dselect-upgrade seems that there are no packages to install |
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| 23:38.38 | abrotman | so maybe there really isn't ? |
| 23:38.44 | markit | I would like to "force" the reinstall of them, since I've, sigh, deleted /usr/lib :( |
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| 23:39.09 | geo-rge | markit: it's time to reinstall debian maybe |
| 23:39.20 | peteweez | markit: This may give issues, but you could try to apt-get remove them, then apt-get install them |
| 23:39.22 | markit | geo-rge: maybe not, it's not windows ;) |
| 23:39.41 | geo-rge | you would need those libs to do it |
| 23:39.43 | markit | peteweez: apt-remove will remove everything... |
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| 23:40.02 | markit | geo-rge: I've a cd and I restore the libs when needed by the program I'm running |
| 23:40.11 | peteweez | markit: *sigh* I thought so |
| 23:40.14 | markit | I've took that libs from another pc, but are just the basic ones |
| 23:40.22 | jackmynt | yeah |
| 23:40.24 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 23:40.24 | dpkg | well, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 23:40.39 | jackmynt | DIEEE!!!! |
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| 23:40.50 | BrianSteffens | =O |
| 23:40.56 | peteweez | markit, speaking as someone who has wrestled with a borked debian install for many months, just reinstall if you can |
| 23:41.07 | geo-rge | so, restore all the libs that the package manager installed and (if you want support) don't mess with package management |
| 23:41.23 | peteweez | markit: I tried migrating to Gentoo, but my hardware's not stable enough. And I don't feel like reinstalling Debian. |
| 23:41.39 | markit | geo-rge: I've erased the directory... also files installed there from other programs are gone |
| 23:42.08 | markit | I try the previouis dpkg suggestion, thanks |
| 23:42.11 | peteweez | markit: You. Are. Borked. |
| 23:42.11 | geo-rge | so... here's a thought... you know that backup of your entire hard drive that you make weekly? restore from that |
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| 23:43.58 | markit | mm --reinstall install does not work, strange |
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| 23:45.03 | geo-rge | markit: try like you said, put the libs from the cd there |
| 23:45.17 | geo-rge | it's definitely worth a shot |
| 23:45.18 | ShastaMaroon | I am trying to make menuconfig, but I get an error: Preparing scripts: functionsYour main in config.in file (arch/i386/config.in) does not exist. Any ideas what would cause this? |
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| 23:46.38 | geo-rge | try this: apt-get install build-essential |
| 23:46.58 | ShastaMaroon | build-essential is already the newest version |
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| 23:47.09 | geo-rge | gcc --version |
| 23:47.32 | ShastaMaroon | 3.3.5 |
| 23:47.40 | geo-rge | well the whole first line |
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| 23:47.48 | ShastaMaroon | oh |
| 23:47.54 | geo-rge | please :)\ |
| 23:48.00 | ShastaMaroon | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) |
| 23:48.07 | markit | geo-rge: the cd has only the basic libs, I need to restore them all... wondering how is that the methond you told me is not working |
| 23:48.10 | geo-rge | ok, and the kernel version? |
| 23:48.25 | ShastaMaroon | Linux debian 2.4.27-3-386 |
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| 23:48.58 | geo-rge | ShastaMaroon: and the kernel you're trying to compile? also, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:49.10 | cwheeler | are pci express slots those long 64 bit ones that sun ultra sparcs had years ago? |
| 23:49.24 | geo-rge | I will guess 3.1 |
| 23:49.31 | ShastaMaroon | The kernel version I am trying to compile is the same version. debian_version says 3.1 |
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| 23:49.41 | ShastaMaroon | the ISO image was 3.1-r4 |
| 23:49.42 | geo-rge | ok... |
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| 23:50.14 | geo-rge | so you installed from the iso and didn't upgrade afterwards... it looks to me like you did everything right... |
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| 23:50.22 | sid | Anyone using sid and got gnome 2.16 from exp? If so, how did it go. Did gnome boot up after the upgrade? |
| 23:50.25 | ShastaMaroon | in /usr/src I have kernel-headers-2.4.27-3 and kernel-headers-2.4.27-3-386. /usr/src/linux points to the -386 |
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| 23:50.47 | ShastaMaroon | Yes, no upgrades. I just installed using the net install image for a basic system about an hour and a half ago. |
| 23:50.48 | geo-rge | oh, you don't actually have kernel source? |
| 23:51.14 | ShastaMaroon | hmm...I thought I did |
| 23:51.32 | ShastaMaroon | what's the name of the apt-get package? |
| 23:51.38 | geo-rge | would you like to build the same kernel that you now have with your alterations? |
| 23:51.41 | peteweez | ShastaMaroon: should be apt |
| 23:51.56 | geo-rge | it might be kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 23:51.57 | ShastaMaroon | geo-rge I'd like to keep it with 2.4 because it's an older system |
| 23:52.36 | ShastaMaroon | geo-rge its downloading. Why would it come with the kernel headers but not the kernel source? |
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| 23:53.24 | geo-rge | no problem... but I'm also asking a somewhat more detailed question: there is the source you can get from kernel.org... and there is debian's packaging of it, and the debian kernel maints have applied some patches and did some other things |
| 23:53.37 | ShastaMaroon | oh |
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| 23:53.45 | geo-rge | so which would you like? |
| 23:53.52 | ShastaMaroon | I guess I'll go with the debian one |
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| 23:54.42 | geo-rge | ok... and I'll also suggest to you that you use the script that makes a debian package out of the result of the kernel compile... want to do that? |
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| 23:54.58 | ShastaMaroon | yes |
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| 23:55.23 | geo-rge | I don't wanna :P |
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| 23:55.32 | hagabaka | can i show the list of files in a package i installed from apt-get, without looking for the .deb myself? |
| 23:55.56 | abrotman | hagabaka: man dpkg |
| 23:56.02 | abrotman | hagabaka: man apt-file |
| 23:56.06 | valdyn | sid: experimental's gnome seems to work fine almost by default, the gtk2-engines in experimental you may or may not have to recompile against the libgtk from experimental currently |
| 23:56.07 | geo-rge | ShastaMaroon: ok, first get the kernel source... apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 23:56.12 | geo-rge | I think that's the name |
| 23:56.17 | ShastaMaroon | geo-rge it is. done. |
| 23:56.37 | hagabaka | thanks |
| 23:56.40 | geo-rge | ok. that installed a tarball in /usr/src |
| 23:56.46 | ShastaMaroon | I see it |
| 23:57.03 | geo-rge | you can unpack it where it sits if you want |
| 23:57.09 | ShastaMaroon | I'll do that |
| 23:57.12 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 23:57.44 | *** part/#debian marv1n (n=marv1n@88.240.209.154) |
| 23:58.10 | geo-rge | (me, I put my kernels in dirs named for how I see the purpose, so mine is in /usr/src/dual-kernel/2.6.18 |
| 23:58.11 | geo-rge | ) |
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| 23:58.27 | keram | hey |
| 23:58.28 | ShastaMaroon | does tar have a switch for bzip formats? |
| 23:58.38 | geo-rge | yes, it's j |
| 23:58.44 | keram | how do i put a fat32 fs on my external hd which is /dev/sdb1? |
| 23:58.49 | hagabaka | bzip = bzip2? |
| 23:58.53 | geo-rge | yes |
| 23:59.02 | hagabaka | oh |
| 23:59.03 | itchi | ShastaMaroon: Look to /msg dpkg tar |
| 23:59.03 | blondie | keram: mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1 or something,. |
| 23:59.11 | geo-rge | because it's stereo! |
| 23:59.25 | keram | blondie, mkfs.vfat command not found |
| 23:59.50 | geo-rge | you'd have to install the package with mkfs.vfat |
| 23:59.53 | blondie | you need to install something erm |
| 23:59.59 | geo-rge | I dunno what the name is |
